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In a flagrant attack on the US Constitution and basic democratic rights, President Trump revealed in an interview made public Tuesday morning that he plans to issue an executive order to put an end to birthright citizenship. He gave no details of when he would issue the order or how it would be enforced, telling “Axios on HBO” only that White House lawyers have already given their approval.

Such an order would apply immediately to the nearly 300,000 children born to undocumented immigrants in the United States each year. If applied retroactively, it would deprive millions of young people of citizenship rights. By one estimate, such a move would double the “illegal immigrant” population overnight, increasing to 24 million the number facing the terror raids, detention and mass deportation carried out by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Trump’s threat, whether or not he carries it out, is a significant step towards a presidential dictatorship in America. It is the first time that a president has claimed the right to rewrite the text of the Constitution to suit his political preferences. It flies in the face of the plain language of the Constitution itself, which reserves the right to amend the Constitution to Congress, by a two-thirds majority of each house, followed by ratification in two-thirds of the states.

If a president can rewrite the Fourteenth Amendment, claiming that immigration poses a threat to US national security, why not the First Amendment, guaranteeing freedom of speech, assembly and the press, under conditions where the president has defined the press as “the enemy of the people?” Why not tear up the Fourth Amendment protection against illegal searches or the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process and protection against self-incrimination, in the name of supporting “our great police officers,” as Trump would put it?

Despite Trump’s claim that his own lawyers in the White House Counsel’s office support his right to “re-interpret” the Fourteenth Amendment, there is no genuine legal dispute over whether the Fourteenth Amendment provides for birthright citizenship. The Supreme Court found that it did in the 1898 case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Every subsequent decision of the court has reinforced that precedent, while explicitly extending the language of “due process” and “equal protection of the law,” also found in the Fourteenth Amendment, to undocumented immigrants.

The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868, three years after the end of the Civil War and the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, which formally abolished slavery. The amendment was needed to suppress efforts by the former Confederate states to deny citizenship and other political and legal rights to the former slaves, and to reverse the legal precedent of the notorious Supreme Court decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), ruling that black people had no legal or citizenship rights, regardless of whether they were slaves or free.

The first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment defines what is called birthright citizenship: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

The words “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” made an exception for the children of foreign envoys, who enjoyed diplomatic immunity and therefore were not subject to US laws. All other children born on American soil were citizens with full legal rights from the moment of their birth. The intention of Congress in enacting the amendment, to apply it to the children of immigrants as well as the children of former slaves, was made clear in the congressional debates, in which senators explicitly declared that the children of Chinese laborers in California would be covered.

Birthright citizenship has come under attack in the last two decades from ultra-right and anti-immigrant groups, primarily but not exclusively in the orbit of the Republican Party.

Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of the most powerful Democrats in Washington, introduced the Immigration Stabilization Act in 1993 with the declaration that “no sane country” would permit birthright citizenship because it provided an “incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally… for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.”

In 2010, a number of Republican senators voiced their support for putting an end to birthright citizenship, or at least holding hearings on the subject, including then-Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, 2008 presidential candidate John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Jeff Sessions, now Trump’s attorney general.

In 2015, Trump made repeal of birthright citizenship a major part of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, which he launched with a racist diatribe against Mexican immigrants, vilifying them as rapists and murderers. In the course of the campaign, many of his Republican rivals came over to that position, including Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Ben Carson, now Trump’s housing secretary.

But in both 2010 and 2015-2016, there was no suggestion that birthright citizenship could be abolished through executive order. It was generally accepted, both by supporters and opponents, that such a clear and dramatic change in the Fourteenth Amendment was possible only through passage of a further constitutional amendment.

As is typically the case with Trump, he surrounded his claim of presidential authority to amend the Constitution with a series of lies, declaring, “We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits.”

Actually, 29 out of the 34 nations in the Western Hemisphere, which emerged and developed through mass immigration, grant automatic citizenship to all those born within their borders. Besides the United States, the list includes Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba and the Central American countries whose citizens are now fleeing to escape violence, repression and poverty, the results of US imperialist intervention and oppression.

All of these countries’ independence followed in the historical wake of the American Revolution, which established a republic based not on race, religion, ethnicity or even geography, but on enlightenment ideals. This democratic heritage is what Trump is seeking to end with his calls for an American nationalism defined by bristling hostility to enemies foreign and domestic. This reeks of the “blood and soil” nationalism espoused above all by the Nazis and illuminates why Trump’s nationalism is intrinsically bound up with authoritarianism.

The media reaction to Trump’s proposal for a massive, fundamental attack on the entire constitutional structure of the United States—redefining the nature of citizenship and greatly expanding the powers of the chief executive—has been superficial and unserious.

The New York Times, as usual, set the tone with a “news analysis” dismissing Trump’s threat to issue an executive order, saying, “The statement sounded more like a political stunt than a reasoned legal argument, and its timing, coming a week before the midterm elections, was suspect. Nor was it clear what the executive order would say, or how it could change the meaning of the Constitution.”

By Tuesday evening, television news broadcasts had relegated the president’s proposal to rewrite the US Constitution to just one among many news items, while ABC News prominently featured the rebuttal by House Speaker Paul Ryan, who told a talk-radio station, “You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order. As a conservative, I’m a believer in following the plain text of the Constitution, and I think in this case the 14th Amendment is pretty clear, and that would involve a very, very lengthy constitutional process.”

Ryan, however, is retiring, in large measure because of his lack of influence in the Trump administration. Other congressional Republican leaders were either silent, like Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, or openly supportive.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) said that birthright citizenship applies to legal immigrants, but claimed, falsely, that there is “a debate among legal scholars about whether that right extends to the children of illegal immigrants.” Grassley most recently spearheaded the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who would be part of any high court review of legal challenges to a Trump executive order.

There is no doubt an electoral component to the timing of Trump’s announcement, which follows a series of highly publicized attacks on immigrants, including the dispatch on Monday of 5,200 heavily armed troops to the US-Mexico border, more than the Pentagon presently deploys in Iraq or Syria, to block the entry of the caravan of Central American refugees that is still weeks away from US soil.

But there is far more to this announcement than a last-minute effort to arouse Trump’s “base” of racists and chauvinists. Trump has spent the past two years laying the basis for a fascistic movmement. These efforts will only be intensified in the aftermath of the November 6 elections.

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[9 August 2010]

(Republished from World Socialist Web Site by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Rational says:

    DEAR PATRICK MARTIN, ALIENIST LEFT-WINGER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

    For a moment, as I read this irrational tirade against President Trump, I wondered if I was at the wrong website, like the Whorington Post.

    This article belongs on the Whorington Post, not unz.com.

    The constitution does not apply to aliens.

    Aliens do not have “rights”. They are guests, and the host country can choose to give them some rights, or none at all.

    As far as “birthright” citizenship, illegal aliens do not have a right to it. The doctrine is called “fruit of the poisonous tree.” If one acquires a status illegally, the rights that flow from that status are fruits of the poisonous tree, and therefore illegal also.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Blindlight
  2. 22pp22 says:

    What is wrong with kicking out illegals? The whole premise of this article is just plain silly.

    American friends, please, please vote Republican for the Midterms. The rests of the Western World is depending on you.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  3. MB says:

    “The first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment defines what is called birthright citizenship: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    So illegal aliens are naturalized citizens of the US and the state wherein they reside because the 14th Amendment says so just like that in black and white.
    Consequently they can vote and . . . . their kids get citizenship when they are born just like . . . in California and other sanctuary cities.

    The headline should read:

    Trump Threatens to Abolish Common Misunderstandings on Birthright Citizenship

    It’s not going to happen, but if you understand what gets grayed out in the propaganda transmission, you don’t need to be spoonfed by the likes of columns like this one.

    But it’s not the stupidity, rather it’s the patronizing arrogance that is so grating.
    Can the guy even understand his own argument?

    But hey, it does the soul good to call the prez a racist, along with anybody else you disagree with.
    Works for me.

    • Replies: @MB
  4. MB says:
    @MB

    Moar better than my rant above, the 14th was about the enfranchising of former AA slaves, who were Americans, i.e. legally born in America. Automatically piggybacking/enfranchising the offspring of foreign (born) and non naturalized “immigrants” was not the intention, however popular that misunderstanding is now in judicial and public opinion.

    Even if it was, now that the unintended consequences of this are clear: cheap Republican labor and more Democrat votes, with unlimited access to welfare, it is time to run a test case. DT is within his rights to hoist a trial balloon. And just as Obama unconstitutionally pulled the DACA thing and could have been reined in by Congress or the courts, Trump is subject to the same, but on sounder ground imo.

    Of course the lamestream corporate media were in O’s pockets like they are not in T’s and they want a new country because they’re tired of the evil white supremacist patriarchy. That most of them are white males themselves escapes their notice, but whatever.

    Anyway as far as getting concerned about constitutionality, we pretty much do with ours, what they do in some parts of Mehico with used toilet paper, burn it.
    See Codevilla’s After the Republic or Kesler’s America’s Cold Civil War.
    cheers

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. RudyM says:

    Trump has spent the past two years laying the basis for a fascistic movmement.

    So I am part of a fascistic movement and I didn’t even know it? Exciting. With idiocy like this article, I will never go back to calling myself a liberal.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  6. “If a president can rewrite the Fourteenth Amendment ….”

    The President is not re-writing the 14th Amendment, he is correcting a long-standing flaw in the administrative application of the 14th Amendment and other statutes by Executive Branch departments, something for which Executive Orders are entirely appropriate.

    As for your understanding of the case law and your attempt to tie together the ratio decedendi of the various cases and the facts that are relevant to the issue at hand, you wandered into a lot of obiter and failed to show that the facts of birthright citizenship at issue cannot be clearly distinguished from the precedents you cite, so the precedents are not persuasive authority.

  7. That’s one of the sensible things he proposed. No self-respecting country has birthright citizenship.

  8. Anonymous[486] • Disclaimer says:
    @MB

    If I remember correctly, there was actually a court case were it was questioned whether the 14th applied to Indian born in autonomous Native Reservations, and it didn’t.

    It has also been ruled that the 14th doesn’t apply to the children of foreign ambassadors.

    The 14th was written solely to addressed the the one-time, highly specific plight of the children of freed slaves, an ethnic bloc that had been dragged here as property, kept around for centuries, and lost all ties to their roots and had no feasible way of going back “home,” whose legal personhood was denied in the original text of the Constitution and needed to be redefined in a way that was equally set in stone.

    Latino drugrunners and migrant workers are not in the US’ jurisdiction, the legal process is sending them back to their countries ASAP. Their children should follow with them.

    • Replies: @jim sweeney
  9. @RudyM

    Dems and others of their ilk made “liberal” a swearword. That’s why many people in the US call liberals “libtards”. In Russia they are called “liberasts” (guess what is the other word implied; if you can’t, learn some French).

  10. afreeman says:

    Wong Kim Ark did not enter the US illegally.
    That DOES make a difference.

  11. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    reform – not raids?

    Obey the law and GTFO

  12. It seems absolutely clear that Trump is simply engaging in a midterm election stunt that can have no legal follow through. But what about some subtler thinking about the rights of citizenship without letting simple minded sloganeering about “second class citizenship” hold sway.

    Presumably there would be some absolutely minimum rights that SCOTUS would accord to all born in the US. No deportation, right to jury trial and a few others. But, just as you don’t get welfare if your income is over a certain level what’s the problem about saying you have to have lived in the US or as a US employee for X years and paid taxes for Y years unless you can prove that your ancestors lived in the US and paid taxes for Z years before 1965? Just as rough example…

    • Replies: @MLK
    , @MarkinLA
  13. Franz says:

    Samuel Francis predicted this in the 1990s, which was why he got fired from the Washington Times. And birthright citizenship was only intended for ex-slaves from the start, not forever.

    He said it is within the Majority’s power to revoke all citizenship stemming from the 1965 alteration of immigration law (since it was done in bad faith and totally dishonest misrepresentation).

    He also said we were within our rights to consider those who cross our borders illegally as criminals and interlopers and just chuck them back out again, no hearing, no nothing. And the old INS used to do just that, by the way.

    The easiest way to grasp this is to flip it:

    For example: In the downsized Rustbelt years, what if a few million downsized US citizens had hijacked a fleet of container ships and made for Asian ports?

    After all! The work these Americans used to do was indeed fully starting up in Korea and China.

    Simply phrasing it that way shows the absurdity: Korea and China (And Japan,, etc.) exist for their own people. They are not a service to the world’s poor and unwanted.

    High time Americans begin thinking the same way. If it takes a Trump, fine.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  14. hrk says:

    I just like how the writers never just come out and say, ‘I want more immigrants’ or my ‘boss wants me to write about more immigrants being good’. You’ll never read it – ever, we the readers are free to assume anything. Who knows, could be a cuck on a buck hunt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
  15. IceFire says:

    The author has no idea what he is talking about. The people who implemented the 14th amendment would no doubt revoke the legal jurisdiction of immigrants if non-white immigrants showed up in large enough numbers. They just didn’t think it would be big enough at the time for it to be a big deal. I think the 14th amendment was a horrible mistake, but it’s still being misinterpreted by today’s proponents of birthright citizenship.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  16. El Dato says:

    Top satire. I nearly fell for it.

  17. Given the make-up of the S.C, it’s probably time to run a suitable test case to determine the current meaning of the 14th amendment – easier than a referendum, more authoritive than an Executive Order.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @jawneelogik
  18. “Trump Threatens”

    “Promises” surely.

    This piece was obviously not written by a sane American.

  19. “Trump’s threat, whether or not he carries it out, is a significant step towards a presidential dictatorship in America. It is the first time that a president has claimed the right to rewrite the text of the Constitution to suit his political preferences.”

    Selective amnesia perfected: Remember Obama a few years back. “I’ve got a pen and a phone…”

    https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/14/ive-got-a-pen-and-ive-got-a-phone-obamas

    Obama was our very own Juan Peron.

    https://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2012/04/evita-i-need-you-obama-our-juan-peron.html

    • Replies: @anon
  20. siamdave says: • Website

    wow, what’s this kind of hysterical nonsense doing on Unz?

    • Troll: jim jones
  21. @Anonymous

    The SCOTUS case is Elk v. Wilkins and you’re right. Elk was not permitted to vote as he was not a US citizen as he was born an Indian. In 1924, Congress repaired that with the Indian Citizenship Act. This article is pathetic in its legal logic and deliberatively deceptive to boot.

  22. Bruno says:

    It’s a badge of honor for Unz to let liberal globalist express their gibberish too. But not to much of those. If you want liberal, let the clever ones here, Chomsky, Pinker, Krugman – all the logical tale whisperers – or even Moore or West – but not the msnbc dummies .

  23. Z-man says:

    Except for his understandable pandering to the Jews (Zionists or otherwise) and the billionaires boys club (Zionist or otherwise, lol), VIVAT TRVMP!!!

  24. This author of this article is a typical left wing Bolshevik aka communist agent provocateur subverting the constitution , typical Bolshevik subversion.

    Unlimited illegal immigration is the Zionist tactic to destroy the American culture and bring in a communist NWO.

  25. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @hrk

    Who knows, could be a cuck on a buck hunt.

    Not likely. He wrote this for the World Socialist Website:

    (Republished from World Socialist Web Site by permission of author or representative)

    • Replies: @hrk
    , @AnonFromTN
  26. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    He’s attacking the constitution. What is the difference between him and the left. In a meeting with Feinstein sitting right beside him, he stated that the police “should take the guns and worry about due process later.”

    Every clause of the Bill of Rights is under attack.

    • Agree: TimeTraveller
  27. MLK says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It seems absolutely clear that Trump is simply engaging in a midterm election stunt that can have no legal follow through.

    It really is quite something the way Trump remains so misunderstood. He doesn’t bluff. You are mistaking pitch perfect timing chosen for success for a mere election gambit.

    Worse, you miss that this president is the first in memory — certainly compared to the previous three figureheads — to intuitively understand from whence legitimacy derives in our Constitutional Republic. In the instant case, that means that his formidable Executive Authority combined with raising this subject prominently in the context of a national election.

    But what about some subtler thinking about the rights of citizenship without letting simple minded sloganeering about “second class citizenship” hold sway.

    With all due respect, what you dismiss as “simple minded sloganeering” and Martin declares “fascistic,” is the president exercising his Article II powers.

    His doing so in such a well-publicized manner right before the midterms further leverages his position. Particularly since those who will surely oppose him after remained Radio Silent on the substantive issue. Not only is he moving the Overton Window, but he is introducing further uncertainty to those entering the US illegally to make an Anchor Baby or engaging in Birth Tourism. Unless I miss my mark, what’s coming is lifetime bars on entry, with ID through biometric/DNA, for those caught pulling this stunt.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  28. Them Guys says:
    @Rational

    And Also: I recall reading a few years ago, an article with many quoted statements from some big wig top honcho of the Mexican Govnt’s officials….Can’t now recall his name etc…But this is basically what he stated about usa birth right citizenship & Mexican nationals who dump their baby on usa soil to claim citizenship etc…

    This is Not verbatim his quote of course..My memory ain’t that great. But he mainly stated that according to the Mexico Constitution and its doctrine. That EVERY actual Citizen of Mexico, born in mexico as most pregnant mexicans are….Are and WILL Always Remain a Mexican citizen first and foremost…Even if they obtain another nations citizenship…Even if they obtain Several More nations citizenship’s….Regardless, they are and still will always remain a Mexican citizen period.

    He was speaking also about the main reasons he and his other Mexican officials can have the right to intervene in any and all various legal disputes whenever a Mexican citizen abroad in America or another country needs Mexican assistance or help. Even after such Mexican became a usa citizen. He said their mexico const docs state that once born a Mexican citizen None and no other nations laws etc can negate it..They forever remain a Mexican citizen First period.

    So, according to that, it demolishes this commie website writers entire agenda and premise.

    I also have read Plenty about how its a Fact that Only a baby born To USA Citizen Parents are covered under 14th amend clauses. And each such article makes tons of sense in every type legal issue you can consider or think of on this birth right status claim.

    It is just another in a long line of phony “constitutional” claims by various, many over the past decades, Dem Lib Lefty commies, who also claim the us const is a “Living” document therefore can change as needed by dem commie lefties….100% Nonsense.

    It is NOT and Never was and never intended to be any type living changing as winds blow document…..And the US fed judges and us Supreme Justices are supposed to determine word meanings based upon…What did actual word mean When in era written by orig founders. Anyone here think Ben Franklin would call a fag a Gay person? hahahah.

    Which is main reason we have seen so many New changed words dictionaries in past few decades, and every univ replaces older ones with new changed word types.

    The lefty dem commies must create new word meanings, in order to make a claim of something akin to this…”Well see, some words have changed in actual meaning, and That’s the real main proof our wise founders who all realized this phenom will happen, Planned for the us const to be a Living revolving changing documents based on different word meanings as time evolved”.

    Then, as if it somehow proves dem commies correct, they switch name or word meanings like, Homo and Queers or Faggots…NOW has changed or morphed into…Gay!…Why did they pick Gay?

    I will tell you why.

    Because dem commies and their mainly Jewish promotors of all things homofagqueer, KNOW that aprox 99+% of worlds people Reject it fully, Hate it fully and do so righteously and correctly.

    Sooo…How can dem commies and their Jewdeo pals change words so to change folks minds?…Oh I know!…Lets substitute the word Gay, which in every former dictionary is described to mean, Happy as in…The wedding was a, Gay fanciful affair and everyone there had a fun and happy time.

    View every older Hollywood movie from 1950′s or earlier and Gay was spoken often in this respect and proper meaning….Not so today eh…Commie dems/Jews decided if they can convince folks Gay means a homo sex fiend and pervert….Then folks will consider perverts A-Okay!

    Same was done with word of, Murder…Just switch it to, Abortion! Wallah! Murder is Now A-Oaky too folks….But…ONLY if you murder unborn babies… However people like Hillary are on record promoting that to change to allow abortions up to a childs age of 4 yrs old, in case a mother or both parents Later wish they had no kids!….Ok so why cannot we change it better? How’s about some people wish usa had zero negroes of any age…Include them too? so now A-Okay to murder negroes up to age 99?…Why not? Good for goose good for gander no?

    See how crafty, dem lefty commies and their Jewish cohorts create these “Changes”. Just one more huge swindle scam…Seems no mater What subject or issue one researches one sooner or later finds Tons of Jewish and Commie lefty fingerprints all over, and in layers and layers of fingerprints too.

    Check out, older orig and still accurate International Laws of the Nations. Which correctly state that the kids actual citizenship Follows that of the kids Fathers…And Never allow or approve of Illegal Alien Born babies to be a citizen of Any country other than the Parents nation.

    What would You an usa citizen be if say, both your parents were on vacation in Germany or Mexico, when You were born? You’d have been born in foreign nation Yes…But still you’d be a 100% American citizen as if born on usa soil correct?..Indeed correct yes.

    Its same for Mexican citizen mothers baby born else where…It Is still a MEXICAN citizen baby.

    PS: As for article claims of never before has a usa prez done exec orders to change etc us const or bor rights…Was this article writer asleep at wheel during Hobammy us prez era or what? Hobammy did more Daily exec orders and presidential signing orders than most all others combined ever did!…Hobammys Pens ran dry on daily basis!

  29. hrk says:
    @Anonymous

    Not likely. He wrote this for the World Socialist Website:

    I was speaking more generally about writers on this topic but I’m not sure how writing for a ‘world socialist’ website is some kind of mitigating factor. I’m still waiting to hear why a browner, more overpopulated America is a good outcome. Instead I get to read (again) that Trump is a Fascist, if only.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  30. Remember, you give (((them))) permission to do it to one group of people, they will do it to you in the future.
    Today its the “immigrants” tomorrow it may be you.

    Remember this when you beg Trump to protect you. Is he doing what is good for America or what is good for the Jews?

    President Trump commutes sentence of Sholom Rubashkin, ex-Iowa slaughterhouse executive

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/12/20/president-trump-commutes-sentence-sholom-rubashkin-ex-iowa-slaughterhouse-executive/971291001/

    President Donald Trump on Wednesday commuted the prison sentence of former Iowa slaughterhouse executive Sholom Rubashkin, who was sentenced to 27 years for bank fraud and money laundering, the White House said. r

    Rubashkin, a 57-year-old father of 10 children, oversaw operations at Agriprocessors, a large kosher meatpacking plant owned by his father in the northern Iowa town of Postville. The plant was raided by agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in May 2008, leading to the arrests of nearly 400 Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants who were living and working in the country without authorization.

    The raid sparked a chain of events, including Agriprocessors declaring bankruptcy, that led investigators to suspicious invoices and other sales records that Rubashkin faked to make the company appear on better financial footing. Prosecutors accused Rubashkin of using the fake paperwork to continue borrowing on a $35 million line of credit, ultimately resulting in a $27 million loss for a St. Louis-based bank when Agriprocessors went defunct.

    Rubashkin was convicted in 2009 and sentenced to 27 years in prison.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Rurik
  31. wayfarer says:

    Bienvenido Hablamos Español
    “City of Sanctuary” – Los Angeles, California

    Mugshots of the LAPD’s Most Wanted Criminals
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

  32. @Anonymous

    Cucks like this give socialism a bad name. Socialism, warts and all, was not meant to be a shield for propagandists paid by the 1% or brainwashed libtards.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  33. @animalogic

    On the contrary, the legal principle is “he, who alleges must prove”.
    Those that think birthright citizenship is a given, should be the ones challenging, whether the challenge is to the Executive Order or otherwise.
    Assuming that there will be some real patriots winning seats in the mid-terms, and assuming that they can influence the deadwood in a Republican majority, a number of things can flow from that, including:
    - Having a simple declaration of members passed, acknowledging the EO is correct;
    - Impeaching judges that rule against the E.O. including Supreme Court Judges;
    - Revisiting “natural born citizen”, and all that flows from it.

    Fascism? Not a chance. Mussolini was the first to provide universal health care, and work on the problem of distribution of the benefits of production. That’s not going to happen anytime soon in the US.

  34. Them Guys says:
    @jim jones

    Fed Law=5 year Felony per each individual count. Betto should get aprox a….35,000 Years Fed Prison sentence. Plus a $50,000 Fine per each illegal alien he funded. Maybe just One such case one time will finally convince these pro illegal outlaws and lefty commies to stop destroying America and Whites.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  35. Rurik says:

    Trump’s threat, whether or not he carries it out, is a significant step towards a presidential dictatorship in America. It is the first time that a president has claimed the right to rewrite the text of the Constitution to suit his political preferences. It flies in the face of the plain language of the Constitution itself, …

    If a president can rewrite the Fourteenth Amendment, claiming that immigration poses a threat to US national security, why not the First Amendment,

    Of the Fourteenth Amendment:

    The Equal Protection Clause is part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The clause, which took effect in 1868, provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction “the equal protection of the laws”.

    and yet an entire class of citizens have been denied equal protection of the laws for a generation – White men.

    Officially fucked-over and discriminated against with the full blessings of that execrable POS Paul Ryan. (and no doubt the pole-smoking author of this literary diarrhea)

    Trump’s threat, whether or not he carries it out, is a significant step towards a presidential dictatorship in America. It is the first time that a president has claimed the right to rewrite the text of the Constitution to suit his political preferences.

    Just consider that one statement for its grinding dissonance with the truth.

    Obama sent a drone to assassinate an American citizen- political dissident without due process, and then ‘bug-splatted’ his teenage son for good measure.

    Something tells me this author had no problem with the extra-judicial assassination of an American child – when it was perpetrated by the post-Constitutional, messianic Negro in Chief.

    Or the other Constitutional atrocities like NDAA, or the Total Government Surveillance we all suffer today.

    It’s never a problem unless it slows down the genocidal campaign to marginalize and ultimately put a boot on the neck of the despised and fucked-over working class white man.

    The pure, raw and seething hatred of the ‘progressive left’, (like the cock sucker who shat this article out), is what has driven the beleaguered white race of this nation to seek succor from somewhere, anywhere, from the effusive and rampant hatred of the left. Not for anything white people did or are doing, but for simply being what they are. White.

    Is it white people’s fault that blacks and browns don’t compete academically?

    ‘Yes!’, the cock sucker would belch. Because that is all due to racism’, blah, blah, fuck you.. blah.

    It’s past time we give these shit-balls the time of day.

    They hate our guts, and demand our total capitulation. They want the little brown boys here, and the more the merrier.

    And that dovetails nicely with our cultural (((elites))) agenda of turning us into the new Kulaks / Rhodesians.

    Note to cock sucker: We know what you have in mind for us, and we’d simply rather not. ;)

    Second class citizen status for decades has taught us that your ilk are our mortal enemies, and that there is no bottom to the depth of your depraved hatred for us.

    Here’s a clue: Western civilization has been around for millenniums. It survived the fall of Rome, and (((two fratricidal wars))) in the last century alone. I think it’s safe to say it’s going to be around long after a certain butt-hurt writer’s Trumpian angst.

    So suck on that.

    • Replies: @S
  36. @Them Guys

    Now, with this I agree 100%. I am not sure Federal Government has the balls to defend the law, though.

  37. Them Guys says:
    @IceFire

    You can read the actual statements made by every us rep and us senator during 14th amend debates. Both house and senate record every single word spoken daily when spoken officially on house or senate floor. They are called the US house of Reps & Senate Journals. Avail free online.

    Those journals even list the exact min by min times each word is spoken. Like..US House gavel sounded the opening of us house session # 12345 on this day of,,,april 3rd a Monday. First to speak on floor was us rep mr jones…at 9 am…He said blah blah,–at 9:03 am us rep mrs dem commie bitch countered with Cries of Wha!! Wha!….At 9:06 am Dem Commie bitch us rep Ms Dykeisme, supported prior feminist cries with cries of..Dats Rassssysisis! An’ Sheeeiiiittt!

    and so on and so on….During debates on 14th amendt proceedings, several us senators I have actually read words of, stated on record that NO such citizen rights shall be ever applied to any illegal aliens regardless what claims are made…And that Americans had zero to fear that such can ever happen etc etc.

    That’s what us fed judges are supposed to check and go by when determining a case. What was orig stated and what was the actual word meaning back then. That and nothing else.

    Judges do not have authority to make any laws. only congress does. This is us constitutional and proper. Period. All dem and pro illegal aliens cries or demands matter none.

  38. Them Guys says:
    @hrk

    But you wont ever hear or read any dem commies speak of how a browner usa is good…Because it ain’t. And besides, what Brown or Black country can they possibly refer to as an example of good or better? Africa? hahahah Mexico? hahahah…No such better browned nations exist, never have and never likely will…. a Good or Better nation? It is just simply a…White Thang!

  39. Instead of fighting the enemies of the American satellite in the Middle East, the hegemon should attack the Middle America in order to stabilize it and whereby its southern flank becomes less of a nuisance than it has been in the last half century, lest it finds itself run over by the less than desirables…

  40. Them Guys says:
    @redmudhooch

    Isn’t That the same town where most folks were devout evangelical Israel and Jew worshipers?…Who were ecstatic when they got news that about 200 Orthodox Jews planned to move into their small town of, what was it? Less than 400 people?….Then as soon as those Jews moved in, they began to seek and demand massive changes to laws and customs etc…Within a years time, most orig town folks complained and wanted those Jews Out asap.

    Their entire former pro Israel and worship of Jews mind set did a 180 switch in one years time. But IIRC they now cannot get the Jews to leave. I wonder if they at least replaced their apostate pastors who is likely where they received and learned all that worship of Jewry nonsense from?

    • Replies: @anon
  41. Rurik says:
    @redmudhooch

    President Trump commutes sentence of Sholom Rubashkin,

    he made a devil’s bargain

    when you enter the White House, you’re in enemy territory.

    But there isn’t a ‘no-fly zone’ in Syria

    No belligerent arms to Kyiv of recent.

    No saber-rattling at Iran in the news.

    It’s sadly true that Trump is mollifying the Zionist right, but he’s also pissing off the (((progressive left))) like there’s no tomorrow.

    While I abhor what he’s doing in Palestine, I have to consider that the war hag would have done just as bad in Palestine, AND would have dragged us into war with Russia, while opening the borders and declaring war on Heritage America right here, right now.

    I suppose we have to take the bad with the good, and pray Trump isn’t selling us all down the river.

    I’m often reminded of Ron Paul’s sage warning…

    ‘what if the wall ends up being used to keep us in?’

  42. Che Guava says:

    What putrid sophistry Martin’s article expresses.

    If he has a woman to impregnate, he may experiment with taking her to various places (almost the whole world) and see if their offspring grants ‘birthright citizenship’.

    It won’t, except, in Canada, which I read has a similarly stupid policy.

    For Ann and the previous commentors, I think it is right to concentrate on the illegals, but the birth in the U.S.A. tourism trade is just as stupid and screwed up, it also deserves a mention.

    I would predict that some of the tourist birthright citizens will be a rich source of hostile espionage agents and agents of influence in the future, just as the refusal to treat dual Israeli-U.S. citizens and their organisations realistically has had the same effect.

    Many treacherous acts, all of the time.

    O.K., you want to serve in the I.”D”.F. Fine, goodbye U.S. citizenship. O.K., you want to steal military or military tech. secrets. depending on the severity, fry or stay in prison for a long time.

    Actually, I cannot think of one case where an ‘Israeli-American’ was busted for spying, except in the few cases where the info. was passed to the USSR, Rosenbergs, Pollack, would suppose that there are a tiny number of others that I have not read of.

    Very many others, but the law is never used.

    It will never happen, but enforcing foreign agent’s registration on AIPAC etc. would be in the letter of your law.

    That it will never happen is plain.

    Pathetic situation. Israel is not your friend.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  43. An earlier version of Harry Reid denounced as insane any nation legalizing birthright citizenship.

    In turn, it’s likewise insane for any nation to continue promoting what made anchor babies, tax-financed in utero infanticide, homosexual “marriages,” the Federal Reserve, and every other national woe a reality!

    And yet it has persisted now 230 years! Worse, Christians and Patriots lead the choir singing it’s praises.

    “[B]ecause they have … trespassed against my law … they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind….” (Hosea 8:1,7)

    Today’s America is merely reaping the inevitable ever-intensifying whirlwind resulting from the wind sown by the constitutional framers when they replaced the Bible’s immutable moral law for their own capricious man-made Enlightenment and Masonic traditions.

    For more, see Chapter 3 “The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH” of free online book “Bible Law vs, the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt3.html.

    Then, find out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that examines the Constitution by the Bible.

  44. Let’s fill America with brown people who speak Spanish and have no respect for the country.

    Or….fu$k that. Smack the bitch who wrote this article and deport, deport, deport. First you deport the illegals. Then the ((( traitors))).
    Treason trials
    Sentencing and asset striping
    Expulsions
    ((Goodbye traitors))

  45. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @hrk

    that’s how you know the (((msm))) doesn’t represent you or your interests

    they NEVER ask the question – “Who is going to pay for all these illegal aliens and fake refugees?”

    or “What effect will this have on Americans?”

  46. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Selective amnesia perfected: Remember Obama a few years back. “I’ve got a pen and a phone…”

    even better, when he said re immigration “Law don’t matter”

  47. cecil1 says:

    End it already. ITs a crime.

    Access to White people is NOT a human right.

    White people be like:

    (((Liberal))) Tolerance (and motives) in a picture:

    • Replies: @anon
  48. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    Jews would never do a thing like that

    I bet you’re an anti-semite

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  49. Cratylus says:

    This article has a beautiful example of lying by omission.
    The uthor states that “29 of 34 nations in the Western Hemisphere” have birthright citizenship.
    True enough but only 30 of 194 nations in the world have birthright citizenship and only two of the 30, the US and Canada, are well developed industrial nations.
    For the list SEE:

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-who-offer-birthright-citizenship.html

    In attempting to abolish birthright citizenship the author states that Trump is trying to undermine the “democratic heritage” and “enlightenment ideals” that we have in the US. But France, UK, Australia (another nation of immigrants) do not have birthright citizenship. Do these nations have no “democratic heritage”? Are they bereft of “enlightenment ideals”?

    I have lost all respect for “journalist” Patrick Martin and I will never waste my time on another piece by him. (And I am not an advocate or opponent of jus soli; I just hate lies.)

  50. pyrrhus says:
    @22pp22

    This post is just plain stupid…The children of non-citizens have never been birthright citizens, and that included American Indians, and the children of diplomats living in the US…The 14th was passed explicitly for the benefit of freed slaves, and for no other purpose, or people….As to those who have wrongly been treated as citizens based on the duplicity of previous regimes, their status should be corrected to non-citizen.

  51. @MLK

    Conceded that Trump’s politicking includes the possibility of trying something substantial like excluding, at least while he is President and has Congressional support, all women who have babies while in America without a valid residence visa.

    However I think you ignore or make too little of the legal limitations on him. The babies will still be entitled to American citizenship. A ruthless government could apply a language test to anyone claiming various parts of the welfare package. That way non English speaking anchor children would be discouraged from leaving mother in Mexico or further south and coming to the US as a citizen.

    • Replies: @MLK
  52. I am smiling.
    The Holy USA Constitution was written when immigrants into the USA had more or less the same cultural background: European.
    This constitution was not written during a cultural war, there was this war, with the Indians, but who would win never was in doubt.
    Now the USA, with cultures originating in Europe, is threatened culturally by immigrants from the South.
    Two ways are open, as with migration into Europe, let it happen, and in twenty years time the European cultures are history, or doing something about it.
    A constitution is just a piece of paper with words agreed on at the time, if circumstances change, one can change a constitution.
    Anyone interested in how circumstances can necessitate drastic moral changes I can recommend the 1957 John Wyndham’s science fiction book The Day of the Triffids.
    My opinion is that the culture that brought the progress from the steam engine to nuclear power is worth saving.
    Sarrazin already in 2010 expressed the same opinion
    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010

  53. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @cecil1

    gee, i wonder what their ethnicity is?

  54. Find where Mr. Martin lives, pick-up some illegal aliens and drop them on his property after telling them he wants them to live there and he will provide for them – and then leave a photographer behind standing duty so he can document when Martin calls the cops to have them removed.

    Do this to every proponent of the illegal invasion

  55. If a president can rewrite the Fourteenth Amendment, claiming that immigration poses a threat to US national security, why not the First Amendment, guaranteeing freedom of speech, assembly and the press, under conditions where the president has defined the press as “the enemy of the people?” Why not tear up the Fourth Amendment protection against illegal searches or the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process and protection against self-incrimination, in the name of supporting “our great police officers,” as Trump would put it?

    He will do more than that, but only after the midterm elections.

    Antisemitism will be the excuse, and the whole bill of rights will be a relic of the 18th century. It won’t be the press that suffers, but unmoderated comment sections on websites like this. It won’t be the billionaire club suffering from unwarranted searches, it will be low income Trump supporters. It won’t be the JDL getting their firearms seized; it will be you. The trick is to go after them one by one, and to use the partnership between government, media, and industry – Fascism.

    National security first, Trumpsters! I will be laughing when your “god-emperor” stabs you in the back.

  56. One noticeable irony is that the very same people who practically make a profession of attempting to subvert and circumvent the Second Amendment are aghast that Trump would engage in similarly dubious tactics when it comes to the Fourteenth.

    Anyway, there’s no real problem. Just ban all visitors who cannot demonstrate they are not pregnant until we get the Constitution amended. That, we can legally do.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  57. Blindlight says: • Website
    @Rational

    Common sense! The children of parents are natural citizens that the parents are natural citizens of no matter where they are born. I believe this has applied to American kids born in foreign lands. Why pass a law if you then want ppl to break it and indeed, give them incentives to do so. We know why hostile elites do it, we know why multi-culturalist Jews do it but for the vast majority it makes no sense. On fortunately, those two groups believe truth is whatever makes their group stronger. We need to come to terms with that reality and start demanding more from them for they will take whatever we allow

  58. ‘…including the dispatch on Monday of 5,200 heavily armed troops to the US-Mexico border, more than the Pentagon presently deploys in Iraq or Syria..’

    No one seems to notice the incongruity here. It’s actually seen as outrageous that we would deploy more troops to defend our own borders than we would send to muck around in Iraq and Syria at the behest of Israel.

    ‘What, our troops are being sent to defend our own borders? Send them off on futile missions on the other side of the planet, where they belong!’

    • Agree: densa
  59. Renoman says:

    If you don’t soon grow a set about this stuff your Kids will be in the trenches when the shooting starts and that will be much sooner than you think. Go Trump!

  60. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    This could trigger a constitutional convention being called, which is already, more or less, balanced on a knife edge to happen.

    But, whatever. If this cohort is allowed entry as asylum seekers, then in short order there’s going to be 30,000-ish immediately, and repeatedly, on their way, because the legality will’ve been demonstrated. This is going to get very interesting.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  61. aandrews says:

    This could trigger a Constitutional Convention being called, which is already, more or less, balanced on a knife edge to happen, which could fundamentally change everything (i.e., go completely haywire).

    But, whatever. If this cohort is allowed entry as asylum seekers, then in short order there’s going to be 30,000-ish immediately, and repeatedly, on their way, because the legality will’ve been demonstrated. This is going to get very interesting.

  62. “In 2015, Trump made repeal of birthright citizenship a major part of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, which he launched with a racist diatribe against Mexican immigrants, vilifying them as rapists and murderers.”

    I don’t know what University you attended, or whether you attended any at all, but at the one I did, you would have been warned about this kind of writing and then, if you persisted, simply kicked out of the program. Here’s a sane rewrite, minus the hyperbole and hysterical adjectives and adverbs.

    “In 2015, Trump made repeal of birthright citizenship a part of his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination which he launched with a discussion about Mexican immigrants, some of whom, as he correctly pointed out, were “not the best” ie they were criminal rapists and murderers.”

    and, the following is simply wrong:

    “All of these countries’ independence followed in the historical wake of the American Revolution, which established a republic based not on race, religion, ethnicity or even geography, but on enlightenment ideals. This democratic heritage is what Trump is seeking to end with his calls for an American nationalism defined by bristling hostility to enemies foreign and domestic. This reeks of the “blood and soil” nationalism espoused above all by the Nazis and illuminates why Trump’s nationalism is intrinsically bound up with authoritarianism.”

    should be:

    “All of these countries’ independence followed in the historical wake of the American Revolution, which established a republic based on race, religion, ethnicity and even geography, enshrined in then-current enlightenment ideals. This democratic heritage is what Trump is seeking to perpetuate with his calls for an American nationalism defined by justified hostility to enemies foreign and domestic. This bracing nationalism espoused above all by e.g. contemporary Israel, illuminates how Trump’s patriotism is intrinsically bound up with healthy mutual respect for and celebration of the benefits of liberty enjoyed by the American people.”

  63. S says:
    @Rurik

    It’s never a problem unless it slows down the genocidal campaign to marginalize and ultimately put a boot on the neck of the despised and fucked-over working class white man..

    ..They hate our guts, and demand our total capitulation. They want the little brown boys here, and the more the merrier.

    And that dovetails nicely with our cultural (((elites))) agenda of turning us into the new Kulaks / Rhodesians.

    Note to cock sucker: We know what you have in mind for us, and we’d simply rather not. ;)

    Second class citizen status for decades has taught us that your ilk are our mortal enemies, and that there is no bottom to the depth of your depraved hatred for us.

    Now, tell us how you really feel.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  64. Agent76 says:

    November 2, 2018 Third Migrant Caravan Is Reportedly Armed, Clashed At Border

    Following clashes at the Southern Mexican border Trump escalated rhetoric and may send up with 15,000 soldiers in total to the southern US border.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  65. We need to thank President Trump for taking up the issue of so-called “Birthright Citizenship.” I believe that this might be the most important thing that his administration can accomplish.

    I want to provide some further information in support clarifying the invention of “birthright citizenship.”

    Readers might want to review some of the cases I will cite in the course of this letter and review the amicus brief in the case of Hamdi v Rumsfeld, heard by the Supreme Court a few years ago. (It is available online.) It is the view of the Hamdi amicus brief that children of aliens, not lawful permanent residents, while born in the United States are not citizens of the United States. This is a deliberate or ignorant misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. The key paragraph in the Fourteenth Amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

    The important operative part of this Amendment is the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” It has been said by many commentators that this language was certainly clear enough when passed in 1868 but has lost its meaning with the passage of time. Therefore, reviewing some cases will show that not only have you taken the correct position but it is also the constitutional and lawful position of the United States.

    I would recommend that persons desiring to become informed on this issue review the following five cases:

    1. In The Slaughterhouse Cases 86 U.S. 36, (1873), we find that the Court clearly held that the Fourteenth Amendment excludes the children of aliens. In that case, the Court ruled:
    The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we have stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular state, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, “subject to its jurisdiction” was intended to exclude from its operation the children of ministers, counsels, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.

    Plainer language can seldom be found in the Supreme Court decisions.

    2. The Fourteenth Amendment draws a distinction between the children of aliens and the children of citizens. See Minor v Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874).

    3. The question of “subject to the jurisdiction” has been ruled not to mean mere presence here in the United States and subject to the laws but a direct, immediate allegiance to the United States. See Elk v Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884).

    4. The Supreme Court has also held that there is no automatic birthright citizenship. See the Wong Kim Ark case, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In this case citizenship was granted to Wong Kim Ark because his parents were permanent, lawful residents of the United States and not employed by the Chinese government.

    5. Even in recent cases, the Supreme Court has refused to confirm so-called “birthright citizenship” for children of illegal aliens, temporary workers or tourists. In the case granting illegal aliens’ children the right to education, this step was rejected. See Plyler v Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 210, Note 10 (1982).

    It is further shown that birthright citizenship was not created under the Fourteenth Amendment as it took an act of Congress to give American Indians (or Native Americans, if you prefer) American citizenship. This was not enacted until 1924 and clearly would have been an unnecessary step if the Fourteenth Amendment gave citizenship to anyone born in the United States. The Amendment was adopted in 1868, well before it was thought necessary to give Indians citizenship by Congressional action.

    The Hamdi case is an example of just how stupid the interpretation popularly given by our ruling savants is.

    In the Hamdi case dating from 2004, we find that the child of Saudi subjects happened to be born in the United States when his parents were on a temporary work visa here. Hamdi was then taken out of the country when still an infant and apparently has never returned to the United States since then.

    He next came to the attention of the United States when he was captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan. When captured, Hamdi informed the United States Military that he was a Saudi citizen, born in America. Only later did the idea that he was an American arise.

    In the Hamdi case, the Supreme Court never did reach the question as to whether or not he was actually a legitimate American citizen but simply took it as an assumption that he was. Thus, the opportunity to definitively rule in a more modern case on the phrase, “subject to the jurisdiction” was ignored by the Court.

    The Hamdi case shows the present interpretation of birth citizenship can lead to a perfectly ridiculous finding. Hamdi is considered to be a citizen merely because he was born in the United States, moved out of the country when an infant, and finally took up arms against the United States and was captured on a foreign battlefield by our military. As Charles Dickens’ character Mr. Bumble stated, “If the law supposes that the law is a ass, a idiot.”

    I believe this issue of immigration and particularly birthright citizenship is the most important faced by the country at the moment. It may even prove to be more important than our conflicts overseas as the actual nation is being invaded by many hostile to our Constitution.

    We should stop making the argument that we need to change the law. We must assert that the law must be properly enforced.

    Permit me to make two rhetorical arguments to further this cause.

    We all presume that United States citizenship has some value. If parents of a child robbed a bank, we would immediately recognize the fallacious argument that they could give the proceeds of their theft to their innocent children. So it is with citizenship. The unlawful entry of the parents into the United States should not vest their children with any right to American citizenship.

    The decision by many pregnant women to come to the United States and give birth to a child should not vest those children with any rights to citizenship. We hear that Mexican mothers have been doing that for years. News reports talk about “birth tourism.” I have heard about flights from Beijing to Pacific Island American territories by late-term pregnant women organized by the Chinese to ensure that the newborns get Social Security cards immediately upon birth. What the practice of birthright citizenship has done is to take the question of who becomes an American away from the Congress and the people of the United States and entrusts it to non-citizens. In short, the birthright citizenship practice, never a real part of American law passes control of our citizenship process to foreigners, not Americans.

    In summary, an executive order or a new law is not necessary. However, it would be desirable to make sure that the errors that have plagued citizenship issues for one half century or more can be clarified by either executive order, or, more concretely, legislation.

    I trust this information may be of some use to the readers.

    • Replies: @Anon
  66. Rurik says:
    @S

    how you really feel.

    well, thank you for reposting those fine words of hard truth.

    Trump’s “base” of racists and chauvinists.

    reminds me of Robert Reich demanding that no stimulus money ever get to any “white male constructions workers”.

    While our government subsidizes (((Goldman Sachs and Hollywood))).

    They take the few scraps the guy makes working construction and then give it to wealthy corporations that make movies demonizing them.

    I’ve simply had it with their butt-hurt.

    Robert Reich may be one of the most butt-hurt little Jewish supremacists in the land, but that still doesn’t give him the right to use his office and power to fuck over a segment of society he’s racist against.

    These shitballs slime their victims by projecting all their hatred and bile upon a group that has done them nor anyone else any harm. (“white, male construction workers” did not enslave the blacks or gas the Jews or impose gender on humanity. No. They did not loot the economy, or foist serial wars, or shoot an innocent Travon walking to the store to buy Skittles. And yet they’re blamed for all of that and everything else. And the second they point out that Affirmative Action is wrong and racist and unconstitutional… out comes the screeching shitlibs with their eternal smears of “racist!!!”.

    Fuck these worthless lying scum. The real racists are the progressive left, BLM, La Raza and their Jewish supremacist handlers, driving Western civilization to the brink.

    It’s just pure race-hate, 24/7, 365.

    and it’s way past time they’re called out for it.

    • Replies: @S
  67. Certainly the founders stated why they wrote the Constitution. Somewhere the founders stated it’s purpose. And it seems a tad odd that they did not indicate to whom the Constitution applied, just in case it might not be obvious.

    Oh my. Federalist papers? Court cases? Recorded discussions of congressional minutes? Recorded discussions of amendment applications? Good golly miss molly where oh where and why and oh why did the founders make this obscure and legalistically complex . . .

    Ohh no, this is so hard to figure out. So hard and difficult lions and tigers and bears –

    Ohhhh wait a minute . . . maybe, just maybe . . . aha

    Here it is:

    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Ohhh I get it. For the descendants of US citizens — that’s what posterity means. To become a citizen one must belong to a stock already a citizen.

    The article from top to bottom is nonsense. Obviously sarcasm or it ought to be.

    The Constitution is not applicable to anyone except citizens. It is not universal it is locked in the frame of “We the people of the United States . . .

    Though not a huge fan of the term we the people — it has no meaning for anyone outside of the US – even if they are here as guests or illegal visitors.

    By the way — the president has authority over immigration enforcement.

    • Agree: densa
  68. “Such an order would apply immediately to the nearly 300,000 children born to undocumented immigrants in the United States each year. If applied retroactively, it would deprive millions of young people of citizenship rights. By one estimate, such a move would double the “illegal immigrant” population overnight, increasing to 24 million the number facing the terror raids, detention and mass deportation carried out by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).”

    Laughing.

    I am not sure the complaint here. And it would empower millions of citizens to take their rightful place as citizens and the rights, responsibilities and benefits that come with it.

    Sounds on target to me.

  69. @Colin Wright

    The Federalist Society, whose list of nominees has provided the Federal and Supreme courts with its conservative appointments since the Reagan era, has birthright citizenship on its kill list. The odds are good that the current Supreme Court will end it; the odds that the court without Ginsberg will end it are 100%.

  70. For reference, the unequivocal meaning of “…and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” as explained by the Senate author of the phrase is in the 14th Amendment’s debate record, available online: Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, Pg. 2890, May 30, 1866, under the print heading “Reconstruction”.

  71. Art says:

    Is Trump taking America off the deep end with false security claims?

    He wants America to go down the Israeli road of death and war. He wants to kill rock throwers just like his Jew relatives do (remember blood splattered daughter and son-in-law – Javanka – celebrating with Netanyahu, the giving of Jerusalem to Israel at the very same time Palestinian children were being murdered by the IDF)!

    Now Trump has a new thing to fearmonger and go nuts over – anchor babies!

    Is Trump leading us down a very negative fear laden path? Really — rock throwers and babies?

    Is Trump politically pumping himself up, fixing FAKE fears?

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    p.s. I love the economy and defending the border – but the rest of it is getting more and more grading.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Precious
  72. MLK says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Here, watch the President and then tell me whether he’s playing around:

    He’s going to put his foot down.

    • Replies: @Art
  73. SteveK9 says:

    If birthright citizenship is such a wonderful and just policy, why does no other country follow it?

  74. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    He wants America to go down the Israeli road of death and war. He wants to kill rock throwers just like his Jew relatives do

    i’ve had these beaners throw rocks at me before – BIG ROCKS

    they don’t care if they kill you – someone they don’t even know

    it could be why so many people hate them

  75. wayfarer says:

    “So we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?”

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson

    “Beto Staffers Apparently Used Campaign Funds to Support the Migrant Caravan”

  76. Precious says:
    @Art

    Is Trump taking America off the deep end with false security claims?

    No, he is fulfilling his constitutional duty to protect the country.

    Is Trump leading us down a very negative fear laden path?

    No, we have cause to fear migrant invaders.

    Really — rock throwers and babies?

    If you like, have you and a friend stand twenty feet apart from each other. Now throw rocks at each other. Let us know how the experiment progresses.

    As for the babies, they can’t come here. Honduran babies belong in Honduras. Guatemalan babies belong in Guatemala. If they come here, we have to send them back.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art
  77. Agent76 says:

    “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.” Mark Twain

    13th Amendment XIII

    Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiii

    14th Amendment Citizenship: Citizen = SLAVE

    Prior to the alleged ratification of the 14th Amendment, there was no legal definition of a “citizen of the United States”, as everyone had primary citizenship in one of the several states. The Constitution referred to the sovereign state citizen, and no one else.

  78. Agent76 says:

    FYI – Sep. 14, 2017 A permanent emergency Trump becomes third president to renew extraordinary post-9/11 powers

    Proclamation 7463 declared a state of national emergency that has persisted for 16 years and continues to enlist 18,000 guard and reserve Exactly 16 years ago Thursday, President Bush signed Proclamation 7463, giving himself sweeping powers to mobilize the military in the days following terrorist attacks that crashed planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a Pennsylvania field. It allowed him to call up National Guard and Reserve troops, hire and fire military officers, and bypass limits on the numbers of generals that could serve.

    https://usat.ly/2x2azZC

  79. Art says:
    @MLK

    He’s going to put his foot down. (Trump)

    Commentary: Five reasons why Trump’s Iran sanctions will fail

    Third, U.S. sanctions have laid the groundwork for a historic change in the global financial system. For many decades, the U.S. dollar has dominated the international financial markets. However, American withdrawal from the JCPOA has encouraged countries such as Russia, China, India and Turkey to use their local currencies to trade with Iran. If Europe succeeds in creating a financial system that is separate from the U.S. dollar, other states can use euros in trade with Iran, diminishing U.S. domination of global markets.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mousavian-iran-commentary/commentary-five-reasons-why-trumps-iran-sanctions-will-fail-idUSKCN1N42QY

    Folks – it is all for the Jews – Ivanka and Jarad and grandchildren!

    America can just suck it up!

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    • Replies: @MLK
  80. anon[641] • Disclaimer says:
    @Precious

    No, we have cause to fear migrant invaders.

    yep – violence, crime, and disease

  81. @animalogic

    Excuse me! There is no “current” meaning of the constitution. It means what it always meant.

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to say, “… to interpret its meaning in today’s language by understanding its meaning in the language of the day.”

    • Replies: @animalogic
  82. Cherkey says:

    Patrick, you need to step up your history. The guy who created the amendment wrote that it did not apply to non-nationals. So your charges of this being unconstitutional are false See youtube, Tom Woods show for 1 Nov. on Birthright Citizenship. He actually knows his history.

  83. Would the congress of 1868 have moved forward with this amendment if that time the US had been a welfare state as it is today? No, of course not. Enough said.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  84. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a little dishonest not to mention that the United States did not have an official immigration policy at the time and that there was no need to make any such provisions for immigrants, legal or otherwise (a little shortsighted, I admit). It could also be argued that in the case of illegal immigrants that while they fall under the jurisdiction of our laws, we do not have sole jurisdiction because they are citizens of another country.

    It’s also paranoid to fear that the Supreme Court will rule with the President’s interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, especially when “conservative” Justices are typically textualist. The most efficient way to determine whether or not the Constitution is open to interpretation in this regard–that “subject to the jurisdiction of” would allow for an end to automatic birthright citizenship–would be for the President to go ahead with the Executive Order, for it to proceed through the Courts, and get a SCOTUS ruling on it. If SCOTUS agrees with the President, then there is no need to change the Constitution; should they side against him it will mean an Amendment to fix (which would allow President Trump to work on some other campaign promises, such as term limits for Congress).

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    , @AnonFromTN
  85. This guy pretends to be basing his argument in the Constitution. He is just plain wrong. He and his ilk want us to believe that the sentence

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    means

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    and that the clause

    and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

    was added as decoration.

  86. Babies of Mama rabbit are little rabbits. Babies of mama wolf are little wolfs. Babies of mama illegal are little illegals.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  87. @Anonymous

    A Chinese enrolls at UCLA. In his sophomore year, the US and China go to war.

    Does the Chinese UCLA student still have to obey our traffic laws?

    Yes.

    Can we draft him into the military to fight against China?

    No.

    Therefore, not under the jurisdiction.

  88. Them Guys says:
    @anon

    And You can do a start up business making nice gold badges similar to police badges. Then sell or, pass them out to everyone you consider an anti-Semite, who can then Proudly Wear said anti-Semite gold badges. This way far more folks will learn of whom and how many we number. Plus such nice gold badges worn as anti-Semite ID’s, are certain to stir up many interested folks into questioning we badge wearers. Then we can have a better chance to Jewise Up them other folks too. Then You can sell yet more gold anti-Semite badges…Soon, America will contain a vast majority of badge wearers, and it won’t take much longer for America to Proudly become, Nation #110 to give that Tribe another much needed, Big Boot Out!…..MAGA Via make America Nation #110 & Never Again!

  89. Them Guys says:
    @Anonymous

    A Sat, today, News feed I saw says the 3rd caravan has started to head to usa.

    Trump needs to order a usa military Cobra chopper to fly over Mexican land close to usa border and let loose with a Chain Gun. That fires about, 2,000 rnds Per Min!…Just aim for ground areas close to caravan criminal invaders. A Strafing mission it can be called on tv news. 2,000 .308 rnds per min..Yep outta do fine job of convincing, Americans are fed up.

  90. Them Guys says:

    And remember when it involves Any 3rd worlder’s, regardless what nation from, do NOT fall victim to emotional “feelings”, when they and their small kiddies stare into a tv new camera with vey sad looking eyes. They will stand there all alone like, shuffle feet a bit, stare down at ground, then stare right at camera lens and put on the sadist face and sad eyed look possible. This is for No other reason than to convince You to feel very sorry for their lot. And they also have all been highly trained and well practiced in doing this very thing….Geared totally to trigger Your, especially if a White person, pure Emotions. To be unable to think straight or think of Anything else but of how sorry you Feel for them!…DO NOT FALL FOR THIS SCAM!!!

    A total, Put On. Behind those sad and sorry looking eyes and faces…Lies a wicked mind full of Gringo Hatred. Which has also been life long instilled into their minds by corrupted commies promoting and teachings this stuff. Don’t be shocked to find another Jew in the wood pile behind such stuff either.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @S
  91. Them Guys says:
    @Agent76

    How can they pass thru Mexico armed?…Mexico has very antigun laws. I recall articles and tv news a few yrs ago, where some White guy from Texas went hunting in his state of Texas. Then a couple weeks later, went for a visit to shop or party in Mexico…All was swell, until he got stopped by Mexican Police/Military and after an extensive vehicle search, they found ONE single 12 Ga. Shotgun shell. The Texas guy totally cleaned his vehicle of all weapons and ammo, yet missed One 12 ga shell that rolled under back seat area or something like that. A simple mistake is all.

    He ended up getting tried and convicted in a Mexican court and sent to 3 yrs Prison term in Mexican jail. And no matter what American and Texas officials tried to do to help him, it was all to No avail.

    IIRC? I Think he finally got early release after he spent a full Two years in jail there!

    So how does a caravan that is also Illegally entering into and passing thru the entire nation of Mexico able to be armed?…Did Our ATF & FBI Pull yet another, Fast and Furious scam again? Someone sure must have!…..People cannot buy any guns at any Mexican gun stores..Such stores do not exist there. If any do?…They exist Only for Police and Military to buy guns at.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  92. S says:
    @Rurik

    My previous post in response to your earlier entry somehow got largely chopped. If the moderator will allow for it, this was the original response in its entirety:

    Now, tell us how you really feel. ;-)

    This is all dejavu the past half century.

    In the mid to latter 19th century a serious attempt was made to flood by diktat both the US and Australia with tens of millions of Chinese wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) via ‘mass immigration’. Elements of the corporate media in the United States were declaring it a done deal, were all for it, and that nothing would stop the soon to be Asiafication of the country. (After all, according to one 1870 publication, the long US Pacific coastline just couldn’t be controlled to stop Chinese entry, though inexplicably Spain and then Mexico had had no problem doing so for centuries).

    However, in both the US and Australia a growing resistance to this phenomena (a resistance which the linked and excerpted 1874 London article below laments and loudly decries) would ultimately put a stop to it by about 1900.

    Race according to the article (and ‘a dread of what might happen’ to it) was specifically identified as the primary impediment to the implementation of this scheme in both countries.

    “A dread of what might happen if capitalists could command and control these vast hordes of workmen as against men of their own race, has made the labouring class, at any rate, blind to their good qualities.”

    They, the former chattel slave dealers of the British Empire (ie powerful elements of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people and their respective hangers on) didn’t give up though.

    To combat this ‘dread’ they’ve since adopted Pavlovian conditioning (aka positive re-inforcement) with their devolopment and promotion of the cult/ideology of multi-culturalism and its integral anti-race campaign known as ‘anti-racism’, so that the people so affected will embrace their own physical, cultural, and economic displacement/destruction as all being good for them.

    Sad to say such efforts have worked with a great many, though, as is readily apparent, not with all. :-)

    Pall Mall Gazette (Spring 1874) – Chinamen Out of China

    ‘OF late years we have heard so much of “Chinese cheap labour” from various parts of the world that it is somewhat difficult to realize the fact that not more than 200,000 Chinamen are working in foreign countries at the present time. Even this number is quite an outside estimate. America and Australia have so far been the favourite resorts for Chinese emigrants. Allowing 130,000 for the former country and 30,000 for the latter, 40,000 are left for Peru, the Sandwich Islands [ed. Hawaii], and other places; evidently a more than sufficent margin. Yet the anxiety and alarm shown have been altogether out of proportion to these figures. We cannot help thinking that this is one of these cases – more common perhaps than is readily admitted – in which imagination plays a considerable part.’

    Below is a link to the full article which first appeared in a Spring 1874 edition of The Pall Mall Gazette of London and is republished here in the April 11, 1874 issue of Littell’s Living Age pg 124-127

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=chi.55223460;view=1up;seq=136;skin=mobile

  93. @Them Guys

    And when grow up in US will demonstrate and burn American flag and put up Honduras flag.
    If that is no invasion than I do not know what is.

  94. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Babies of Mama rabbit are little rabbits. Babies of mama wolf are little wolfs. Babies of mama illegal are little illegals.

    You hit the nail on the head. However, libtards would never acknowledge that 2×2=4.

  95. @Anonymous

    North American Indians also did not have an immigration policy. Look what happened to them.

    • Replies: @Precious
  96. Precious says:
    @AnonFromTN

    North American Indians also did not have an immigration policy. Look what happened to them.

    Which is why Americans today need Trump’s immigration policy. So what happened to them, does not happen to me and my posterity.

  97. S says:
    @Them Guys

    You’ve got a valid point about the emotionalism bit.

    It’s shameless.

    Regarding these ‘caravans’ it’s almost as though some of the powerful people likely sponsoring it behind the scenes had read Camp of the Saints and were deliberately attempting to recreate the scenario the book describes as something of an inside bad joke.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  98. MLK says:
    @Art

    How in the world did you get yourself from Birthright Citizenship to Iran, Ivanka and the Jews!

    Iran has a great opportunity under this America First POTUS to get it together. Or it can suffer the consequences.

    You shouldn’t be snookered by headlines/articles like this. There is a long list of countries — purported allies and adversaries alike — that have come a cropper resisting, rather than negotiating with, this President.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @anon
    , @Colin Wright
  99. Agent76 says:
    @Them Guys

    You are in the know and here is all you need to share with folks so they will know the government is a criminal organization!

    “If Holder didn’t know about Project Gunrunner, why did he give a speech about it back in 2009?”

    U.S.-Mexico Border Security Policy Mar 24, 2009

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg and Deputy Attorney General David Ogden held a news conference to announce the U.S.-Mexico Border Security Policy.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor

    “If Holder didn’t know about Project Gunrunner, why did he give a speech about it years ago?”

    http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  100. @Precious

    They did, alas the whites disregarded every agreeent

    • Replies: @Precious
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  101. @Precious

    My point exactly.
    Too bad Trump focuses on totally irrelevant wall, where some fat cats can make money, instead of fining the employers for hiring illegals, where fat cats would lose.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  102. Precious says:
    @jilles dykstra

    They did, alas the whites disregarded every agreeent

    A treaty between nations, by definition, is not an immigration policy. A treaty is an agreement between two nations. An immigration policy is the code a nation defines itself alone…to determine who may or may not enter the nation.

    The Wampanoag confederation disregarded its own immigration policy to allow the Pilgrims to settle. Previously, they did not allow European settlers in their lands. That changed because Massasoit, the head of the Wampanoag confederation, was concerned about his enemies the Narragansett. He made a decision to allow the Pilgrim colonists to settle to have an ally to help him fight the Narragansett.

    Likewise, the Democrats have decided the American people are their enemy and are attempting to import enough migrants to ally with to fight the American people. Disregarding your own immigration policy to fight your enemies is always a disaster…but supporting Trump will help place the worst effects of the disaster on the Democrats instead of the American people.

    • Replies: @anon
  103. Art says:
    @Precious

    Is Trump taking America off the deep end with false security claims?

    No, he is fulfilling his constitutional duty to protect the country.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Justice, tranquility, Blessing of Liberty?

    I believe 100% in strong borders – that does not mean solders killing rock throwers, follows the intent of the Constitution – period.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    • Replies: @Precious
  104. Art says:
    @MLK

    How in the world did you get yourself from Birthright Citizenship to Iran, Ivanka and the Jews!

    Gee – it was easy – you said something about Trump putting his foot down – and it triggered thoughts of the mess he has created in the ME sucking up to the domestic Jews and Israel.

    This Iran sanctions thing is not working out to the benefit of America or the world. Think of all the people of the world paying more for gas – just to benefit Israel.

    Obama’s Iran nuke deal was the only big thing, he really got right. But Netanyahu and Javanka did not like it – therefor harm to the world must be done.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @MLK
  105. Precious says:
    @Art

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Justice, tranquility, Blessing of Liberty?

    To ourselves and our Posterity. Posterity is our American babies and our future descendants, who belong in America. They are not Honduran babies or Guatemalan babies who are not our Posterity and do not belong in America. They belong in their own native countries, so if they come here, we have to send them back.

    I believe 100% in strong borders – that does not mean solders killing rock throwers, follows the intent of the Constitution – period.

    Did you try the rock-throwing experiment? If so, how did it go?

    Think Peace

    Immigration is invasion…and invasion is war. So to have peace we must defend our borders…with violence if necessary against rock throwers who bring violence. That is the logical conclusion.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Them Guys
  106. @jilles dykstra

    No agreement survives too long if conditions change drastically in comparison to the condition under which the agreement was made. It is only fact of life.

  107. MLK says:
    @Art

    . . . the mess he has created in the ME sucking up to the domestic Jews and Israel.

    That’s absurd and you know it. Look, give the man a chance.

    I knew that at the right time he would offer Iran a similar pathway as he did North Korea. As I mentioned before, most allies and adversaries alike suffered for listening to the Democrats’ and Bush Republicans’ assurances that they would remove POTUS Trump from power and then get back to business as usual. In other words, screwing over the American nation.

    Just ask Justin from Canada about how resisting this President works out.

    POTUS Trump (Pompeo, actually) has laid out the US position. He’s in no rush to negotiate as he’ll monkey-hammer their economy until they get smart.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  108. anon[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @MLK

    How in the world did you get yourself from Birthright Citizenship to Iran, Ivanka and the Jews!

    that was my question too

    • Replies: @Art
  109. anon[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Precious

    Likewise, the Democrats have decided the American people are their enemy and are attempting to import enough migrants to ally with to fight the American people.

    too true

  110. @AnonFromTN

    Socialism, warts and all, was not meant to be a shield for propagandists paid by the 1% or brainwashed libtards

    No. It was a recipe for power, pure and simple.

  111. Art says:
    @Precious

    Immigration is invasion…and invasion is war. So to have peace we must defend our borders…with violence if necessary against rock throwers who bring violence. That is the logical conclusion.

    “invasion is war.”

    No way — that is wrong — migrants looking for work are not an invading army hell bent on destruction. There is a difference, that requires a different reaction.

    I do not get why you are so insistent on shooting and death?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    p.s. Again – I believe in a strong border – ZERO leakage – but NO killing of migrants.

  112. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    No way — that is wrong — migrants looking for work are not an invading army….

    they are invaders nonetheless. the ones who do work are SCABS looking to undercut wages and of course the business owners are happy they don’t have to pay American workers an honest wage. The ones who don’t work are basically coming here as thieves and parasites.

    If they really are hardworking and of good character why aren’t they building their own countries?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  113. Art says:
    @MLK

    . . . the mess he has created in the ME sucking up to the domestic Jews and Israel.

    That’s absurd and you know it. Look, give the man a chance.

    Come on – you are not that naïve – are you?

    Daddy Trump killed the Iran nuke deal, not for America – he did it for Jews – that means Javanka! America and the world do not need this upset and harm generated on Israel’s behest.

    Trump is driving a wedge between America and the world, only for the benefit of Israel. The Iran sanctions are not going so great – he exempted eight countries from the oil embargo. As soon as they find ways around the sanctions – it happens.

    Trump’s love interest in East Asia is talking more nukes.

    Netanyahu is making Trump play kissy face with the murdering Saudi prince – MBS.

    I am not saying all is lost but maybe we should sober up a little.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  114. Art says:
    @anon

    If they really are hardworking and of good character why aren’t they building their own countries?

    I am not defending the migrants – I do NOT want to kill them – you want to kill them.

    What is wrong with YOU!

    Think Peace — DO NO HARM — Art

    • Replies: @anon
  115. Art says:
    @anon

    How in the world did you get yourself from Birthright Citizenship to Iran, Ivanka and the Jews!

    that was my question too

    Please see #107 – thanks Art

  116. @AnonFromTN

    ‘…Too bad Trump focuses on totally irrelevant wall, where some fat cats can make money, instead of fining the employers for hiring illegals, where fat cats would lose.’

    You need jail instead of fines, and you also need to nail career mom looking for cheap house-cleaning and roofer dude looking to fill out his crew for the week.

    …but start enforcing it, and employment opportunities for illegals are going to dry up fast. No work for illegals, no illegals.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  117. @MLK

    ‘Iran has a great opportunity under this America First POTUS to get it together. Or it can suffer the consequences.’

    Bull. The idea is that we are going to invade Iran no matter what it does.

  118. @2stateshmustate

    ‘…Would the congress of 1868 have moved forward with this amendment if that time the US had been a welfare state as it is today? No, of course not. Enough said…

    There’s also the point that in 1868, getting to the United States was extremely expensive, time consuming, and unpleasant. No one of ordinary means was going to come here just to have an anchor baby.

  119. @MLK

    ‘…POTUS Trump (Pompeo, actually) has laid out the US position. He’s in no rush to negotiate as he’ll monkey-hammer their economy until they get smart.’

    Nonsense. They got smart. That’s why they signed the 2015 deal.

    We’ve decided to start a war with them anyway. Israel has told us to.

  120. Precious says:
    @Art

    No way — that is wrong — migrants looking for work are not an invading army hell bent on destruction.

    Looking for work?? They are looking for tribute. That is what conquerors expect from the conquered.

    I do not get why you are so insistent on shooting and death? Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art p.s. Again – I believe in a strong border – ZERO leakage – but NO killing of migrants.

    If they surrender peacefully and go back, there won’t have to be any killing. But they have to go back.

  121. So move to amend the Constitution to bar birthright citizenship.

    It’s a win-win. It’ll energize the right and get them to the polls, and it’ll put the left in the position of defending a manifest absurdity and abuse of our laws.

    It all sounds good to me. The sooner we start, the better.

  122. @anon

    ‘…If they really are hardworking and of good character why aren’t they building their own countries?’

    Because in their own country they can work hard, be of good character — and make $2 a day.

    I don’t have anything against them. I don’t have anything against you. No, you can’t move into my house, and no, I don’t think we should let any more people into our country. It’s nicely filled already, thank you.

    • Replies: @anon
  123. @Art

    ‘p.s. Again – I believe in a strong border – ZERO leakage – but NO killing of migrants.’

    A law mandating a week in the pokey for any employer who cannot demonstrate he checked every hire’s right to work would solve the problem.

    I’ve given up and hired illegals. I wouldn’t have done it if there’d been a meaningful risk of having to go to jail as a result. Few people find the thought of jail attractive.

    …and if there’s no work, they won’t come.

  124. @jawneelogik

    Yes. Thankyou for the clarification.

  125. Them Guys says:
    @S

    I think Jews behind all these major issues, read the Old Testament bible, and have been Making things happen per it. In order to convince folks that every word written is Gods words and commands etc….Especially all those mid east wars that suddenly began after, 9/11 events.

    And boy oh boy, this sure has worked swell in totally convincing 65 Million Evangelical apostates eh….Mondays TV News reports that…USA Military just Carpet Bombed 10 thousand Innocent non-combatants in, name any mid east nation other than Israel…And all are dead. Then a few usa planes had several remaining lazar guided precise rockets left…And flew over a Wedding reception of 200 other Islamic party goers, and carpet bombed them too for good measure…OK..Now Go ask your nearest member of that squad of Jew worshipping Evangelicals, what does it all mean, that News….Their answer will be…”Oooooo Oooo Looky Looky Gods Prophesy is being fulfilled as we speak!…And rah Rah Rah go America, we gotta Bless them Jews or Gods gonna Curse us and America too!….Just oooie gooey all about dead, non-Jews, eh.

    Just listen to most any of that bunch of loons, about all they talk of is how…Look what happened with or about this or that war or event or issue last week….Its OT Gods word being fulfilled folks!

    However none ever mention nor likely know that their KJV of OT books have been Re-written at least 3 times by those Ancient and post AD eras Jewish Scribes (lawyers?) The latest most current is, IIRC, the Masoretic versions….Worse yet even their often touted bible version of Cyrus Scofield’s demented, drunken mind, has also been Re-written at least 3 times!..The last being just prior to 1967 Israel instigated and started War…..Someone re wrote several parts to make Jews look more like Victims, and to obtain yet Greater support from evangelicals for all issues Jewish & Israel.

    And just look how good it all worked!..The duped apostate souls fell for it hook, line and sinker.

    Now I am not saying the bible isn’t gods words, but one must understand that not every single word wrote is to be taken as absolutely word for word as written. Many parts are written to cause you to see things in a certain light. Example…Some sections refer to a week of 7 days equals 7 thousand Years, a 1,000 yrs per each Day of 24 hrs….Other parts state a day as One year.

    When Christ stated he’d return in Two days or less…Then added that, A Day with the LORD is as a thousand years as we humans know it…That does NOT mean take it literally as an exact 2,000 yrs and He’d return back to earth…Obvious today since it is now 2018.

    It was more meant to convey a Very Long time frame, so folks Back in His times should not worry nor be very concerned about His actual Return. Better to be mindful of their Current events and lives etc…..Yet if each word is an exact thing and means it as per word written, evangelicals can be easy to dupe and scam.

    Plus most of their pastors and leadership are nothing more than modern day, Judaizers.

    Those so duped mostly ignore the entire or almost entire NT which is mainly the Main play book and rule book of Christianity…Those dupes remain stuck in old testament scriptures, and strive to be like, act like, Speak like Puritanical OT Jewry…Sort of copy cats with deep desires to Be a Jew!

    As “If” speaking such as, Thou haseth to Beith likeith theeith etc…Is the Key secret method to enter heaven, and maybe even get a Free Pass into it like those born Jewish get!…As…IF!

    Of all combined problems we see and endure today and all our lives so far, that any truly awake folk Know is and has been the evil work of international Jewry and Zios. Most would never have occurred in America, if they didn’t receive such vast support, and defense of Jewry from those 65 million Duped apostate souls…..If they Did read their NT books, perhaps they’d stumble upon a few Paul written verses, that describe of and Warn about what will happen to those who fall for and follow teachings of the, Judaizering Pastors and Priests…It states that. They are going to Lose their Salvation already gained. And be then Unable to ever regain salvation again. The dupes claim a once saved, always saved counter spin. So, is ok to murder a person, then die a moment later, and still enter heaven? Not very likely…..Their, Just recite the Jesus prayer and instantly saved and its forever claim is Pure Bunk.

    Any wonder why those NT books speak a lot about the Many so called Christians and folks who believe they are saved, will end in Hell too?…Lost Salvation, that’ll do it, eh! And the Fast Track to Loss is to follow after and be like the, Judaizering fool pastors.

    There also is a big deal in OT made of how one of the many curses from God, is going to be that, (means as a Nation and pertained to Ancient 12 tribes Israel,) that first they shall Be Lenders to many, and top Rulers…But due to their failures to Obey their OT covenant, will get cursed to become Borrowers in deep debt, and loss of national leadership to a Lesser Alien type of Invaders!

    Exactly what we see happening across America, No? USA Was main Lender nation on earth, lending and assisting most other countries….Also we had European White Men as Leaders and Rulers of America….Today its changed into Borrower nation deeply in debt, with mainly Blacks and Jews as leaders….With Jew run Banksters in control of purse strings.

    Did God cause this mess?…To make OT Curses Prophesy accurate and word for word correct as written?…NO!…Satanic minded People did all this crap…and just maybe one major reason is to convince folks the OT biblical Prophesies about so called self chozens, is all correct etc.

    This way folks be far more easy to swindle and scam into a real solid belief that, Jewry can do NO wrongs and really are some special chozen sect…A great scam to gain full control of a Nation and its Money Powers, eh. Yet still a huge scam. Except for those 65 million dupes it seems.

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  126. Tom Walsh says:

    This is one of the biggest loads of old libtard bollocks ever written! (and I just read the first 3 lines!)

  127. Them Guys says:
    @Agent76

    Thanks for the reply. And the news info links too. I fully agree, they always know in advance since it is They who conjure up and cause these issues and agendas to happen. I recall also viewing tv cspan one day during senate committee hearings on Hate speech and Hate Crimes…Eric Holder, acting AG under Hobammy Our first 1/2 monkey prez, was the only person present when I tuned in.

    When one committee senator asked Holder about, why it seems Only Whites so far have ever got charged in such hate crimes or hate speech?…Holder sprang to action, and stated how…He will NEVER even consider any charges criminal or otherwise on ANYBODY else But a White person. When senator again asked Why it that?…Holder stated verbatim the exact same crap teachings todays college and public school kids receive as if Factual and true…Holder said, because All Whites and Only Whites are Racists! And how, this is due to they are Born a racist! Its in their DNA Makeup! So therefore, Holder would never, ever even consider to charge any of, “His people of Color” in such hate crime acts……He added how his minds made up this is true fact and nothing will convince him otherwise.

    If Any White official, or even a reg avg whitey guy from main street usa said what Holder stated, about Blacks or Jews instead of Whites as born a racist?

    That White would get roasted alive and worse. Eric Holder is immune due to being a superior African Black. Holder is too stupid and blinded to realize his, Noble Savage status is a Temporary status from his Jewish masters, and will expire the same day Jews decide they have enough total control to announce it as new official policy of 100% Jew run American control…by That afternoon every usa black will be treated lower than a Real Ape by 99+% of usa Jewry.

    Although Jews may allow for a short reprieve of that lower than a real ape status, as long as most blacks are willing to do a full blown Race War against Whites in America..But once war ends, negroes be back to less than a real Ape in eyes of most Jews.

    But America just may be the place in history where international Jewry discovers that this time around, they have Bit Off far More than they ever can, Jew….Time shall tell, Tic-Toc.

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  128. Them Guys says:
    @Precious

    Yes. Peace at times means violent death of those who make it impossible. What matters Most is that We maintain the Moral high ground upper hand. And those who use Rocks as a weapon, are no different than if used a gun or knife…Phys harm or death due to a gun, knife or rock, is still harm or death. Once an official notice has been given to invaders to Halt!…If they refuse to obey or go back…Oh well, we warned them. No not same as small pallie kids with rocks vs IDF armed soldiers. Small 5 yr olds with small stones are one issue…Adults with Large Rocks a whole new ballgame.

    Just ask some dead White woman killed by a knife by her Black rapist attacker if she rather be dead from a plastic bag over her head so she suffocates instead.

    Invasions Are an Act of War. Regardless who or what motivated said invaders. Anybody stupid enough to join in an invasion into another nation, too bad if They get hurt or killed.

    What if once inside usa borders, the same perps who engineered this fiasco, tell the invader forces, that Now they need go into Individual, Personal Homes and Demand aide and food etc or else if denied asked for aide…Simply Take it! And do not let any home owner to resist. Because if they resist your demands and takings, then You can rely on self defense laws to protect Invaders from charges of B&E of occupied building and even of Killing home owners.

    Yes sounds crazy, but so does 3 caravans with as many as 7 thousand invaders, each, headed into America.

    Yet that is happening. You Cannot put Anything past those behind this invasion. They will do whatever it takes to destroy a White majority America. And now today, many or most such perps feel the vast Heat rising Hotter each day as far more folks awaken to it all. But the perps no matter how futile it looks for their total success at hijacking America, will Never stop trying.

    We/You, are dealing with a mindless and robotic, rabid deep desire that knows No bounds in doing another Bolshevik Revolt like they did in 1917 Russia…No Bounds. It to them perps, is either total 100% success at destruction of ALL we/You hold near and dear, or else, period.

    And remember we long ago past the point where…If You are a European White Male or Female, No Matter What You Say, or Do…..They the perps are going to call You a Evil Nazi Racist, and an Antisemite Hitler.

    Just look at the too many to count examples of the many, many, White Officials, and Famous persons who even after repeated claims of, Sorry, I am so, so, sorry for this or that, and this or that changes and is added to Daily now, and yet they are Still massively Hated, and despised by Every form mass media especially TV News shows…Mel Gibson perhaps?…Millions Paid out to various Jew orgs. Many times stated how deeply sorry he is…To No Avail.

    So…If You are a European White Man or Woman, and even a small kid, you may as well, Go All Out. Because you at this point either have zero, nothing to lose…Or…Very Soon will.

  129. @Colin Wright

    No work for illegals, no illegals.

    That’s the key. I think fines would suffice, the wallet is the most sensitive part of fat cats’ anatomy (as opposed to human anatomy).

  130. Them Guys says:
    @Art

    Art: Consider how some folks state that, if anyone enters their private home, like in a B & E robbery, or even any other nefarious reasons, they the home owner, will Not shoot dead such a perp. And will instead, as long s perp obeys command to halt actions, rather simply allow perp to just exit home and leave…Go else where….Okay…Now…What If…Said perp first armed home owner allowed to leave in peace…..Decides hey that was easy!…so Now I will try again at a different house!

    How much Guilt is upon first home owner, when after releasing perp in peace, perp goes to another house, Rapes and Murders a women home owner at That 2nd location?…Suppose perp again escapes freely, and does the same rapes and murders at a dozen more homes?….Yet…If first home owner never let perp leave and did shoot perp dead….NO such future rapes or murders would have happened.

    Perhaps having that info of every crime done since You let perp invader go scott free, on ones mind will be akin to a curse upon them. As in, If Only I did shoot that perp when at My home…Today all those dead women be still alive…

    And incase you will say, they can instead call cops to arrest perp or can shoot to wound in arm or leg instead?…In Todays world, wound a perp only, get sued for All you ever own, plus perp is likely to return later to shoot You for wounding his leg. Cops and arrest? Then appear in a court as witness?

    Re-Read part above on how, todays perp likely to Return to shoot You dead.

    Any perp that decides to Invade a private and occupied home, Knows his or her chances of being shot dead by armed owner is very Highly possible..If they still invade? Too Bad if killed in action.

    If Live By the sword and Die by the sword has any validity, and yes it does, then must there not be Good men with a sword also, willing to be that Good armed man whos ready and willing to Fullfil the karma like quote? How else will bad men that live by the sword be also killed by a sword?

    See How it works Art?….Good swordsmen remain Good men….Bad men do not. Our Nation Is an Extention of Our private homes. Our safty apllies be we at home or out and about. Danger dont stop when one leaves his door step. And even if just one single alien invader from a caravan ends up as a, Bad man type discused prior?…Thats one too many.

  131. anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    I am not defending the migrants – I do NOT want to kill them – you want to kill them.

    What is wrong with YOU!

    i didn’t say that

    if some get shot because they don’t respect the border that’s fine with me and will serve as a lesson to others who wish to try the same thing. once word filters around they’ll finally figure out “Uh oh, whitey’s serious this time, looks like the party’s over”

  132. anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    Although Jews may allow for a short reprieve of that lower than a real ape status, as long as most blacks are willing to do a full blown Race War against Whites in America..

    and we’ve already seen from Ferguson, MO and the trayvon incident what the jew media is able to get them to do. Shouldn’t be much trouble to start a full on race war with all non-whites attacking whites

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  133. anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Because in their own country they can work hard, be of good character — and make $2 a day.

    so, doesn’t mean they can come here and steal from me

    cost of living is much lower there too

    someone posted a chart the other day that said that Central American has expanded its population by like 27x in the last 50 or so years – its like feeding rats

  134. @anon

    RACE WAR

    A single Tomcat would quell a race war because blacks live in inner-cities.

    They do not own the land or the primary resources-fuel, agribusiness, mining, forestry, cattle. They are not self-sufficient enough to wage a race war and win. They have no supply chains.

    Do Hood Rats have an air force? How are Tyrone and Laquisha going to conquer the suburbs or rural areas? With one AR-15 and a spare clip?

    Especially when every one hour or so they need another hit off a crack pipe or blunt. How can you conquer Idaho or DC when you have to be within 30 minutes drive of your local dealer?

    If the CIA cut of the cocaine and weed supplies, they would probably surrender.

    In fistfights, they are formidable. But guns even things out. And whites have a better capacity for organized military campaigns.

    They could not figure out how to use explosives. This is why Crips never rig remote controlled car bombs.

    Let’s face it. They would be mincemeat in a race war if they ventured out of their ghettos. Half of them would be blown to bits by improvised land mines.

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  135. @anon

    Where would Jews live in a race war? Not Brooklyn, we already have seen the Crown Heights riots.

    Oh, and yesterday some black guy vandalized a temple.

    So would the Jews proclaim neutrality like Switzerland in a race war and blacks would respect that?

  136. REALITY OF RACE WAR

    A few Koreans held them off in the LA riots. Hood Rats do not make great sharpshooters.

    They have already seized the inner-cities. We can forget about those and largely have, because post-industrialization makes them irrelevant.

    Whites merely have to walk away, and they win.

    Hoodrats are formidable fighters but war involves guns, sharpshooters, bombs. Blacks have yet to figure out how to rig a car bomb. If they could have, Crips and Bloods would have turned Los Angeles into Lebanon.

    Hood Rats need to have another hit of crack or a blunt every three hours. Which requires them to be within 30 minutes of their dealer. Even if Tyrone and Shaquila had the gas money and arms to get 40 miles into the suburbs, their jones would gnaw on them.

    Whites control the food supply.

    After three weeks of race war the Hood Rats would say “Where da fuel and food and sheeit…Muh dick”

  137. S says:
    @Them Guys

    I too have wondered about these things.

    The very powerful behind the scenes can read. And this gets into sensitive areas about belief, but, how far would some go to make events appear to be something of God when it wasn’t?

    As you’ve mentioned these persons, just as you and I, can read both the New and Old Testaments.

    I think it was the renegade Israeli spy Victor Ostrosky (IIRC) who said, paraphrasing, ‘I can think eight moves ahead to outwit them, but the people he dealt with could think twelve moves ahead.’

    And then when you read the actual history of the Jewish return to the state of Israel, ie the Balfour Declaration and somewhere in there getting the US to join Britain in the war against Germany as part of the arrangement, you have to ask is that how God actually does things, or is it rather men manipulating events? And again it’s sensitive, but if it is man’s manipulations, how far back does it go? Hundreds of years, thousands potentially?

    And yet many Christians not knowing all the details believe it’s all God when that may well not be the case in certain instances.

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  138. Them Guys says:
    @S

    Yep, You got it down pat quite well. Glad to see yet another person so awake. Thanks for your reply too.

  139. MarkinLA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Presumably there would be some absolutely minimum rights that SCOTUS would accord to all born in the US.

    This is the heart of our problem with a Supreme Court. The SCOTUS is not there to accord people (any people) rights. It is there to determine if statutes passed by the Congress are consistent with the US Constitution. It should only do that. However, it is full of clowns who think their law degrees give them a superior knowledge of everything. It is up to Congress to clarify these issues. All the SCOTUS should do is punt it back to Congress for further clarification if there is no clear Constitutional issue.

    They were more than happy to do that in the Miller case when they punted it back to the lower courts to buy time for the 1934 NFA. They made no decision but came up with the dodge that the weapon at issue had not been determined to be of militia use.

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  140. MarkinLA says:
    @Franz

    Thank St. Ronnie the Lionhearted for creating those immigration courts as part of his amnesty.

  141. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    RACE WAR

    A single Tomcat would quell a race war because blacks live in inner-cities.

    for some reason you’re assuming that the military would be used against blacks and not whites

    we already know the FBI, CIA, State Dept, and DOJ support the continued invasion of this country and for the most part appear to be anti-white as well.

  142. @MarkinLA

    I was wrong perhaps to use the word “accord”. But it remains true that the Fourteenth Amendment logically requires courts, ultimately SCOTUS, to use their judicial techniques – quite different in the case of the two judges I have known and the one who used to correspond with my first boss, but honestly believed in – to determine what purported legislation or executive acts might be inconsistent with the citizenship of the US and therefore invalid. I don’t remember, if I ever did know, how far the due process and equal protection provisions which only refer explicitly to the states might have been held to apply to the US government also. Shades of the decision on Obamacare [I think that was the recent case where tricky use was made or proper use was avoided of the reference to states]. No doubt SCOTUS could decide now that the 14th Amendment didn’t prevent the US government discriminating between citizens but that would still come back to setting a base line of citizenship rights such as I suggested, not by “according” them but by recognising them. There could hardly be disagreement on the right to live in the country though….. what about provisions wrt loss of or renunciation of citizenship….?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @KD
  143. MarkinLA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The Supreme Court has been overly generous in doling out “rights” that are not part of the Constitution. The 14th Amendment is not well defined enough to be a law unto itself and allowing the SCOTUS to write law based on it is why we have such a mess now and why people think Amendments they don’t like can be interpreted out of the Constitution.

    Look at the nonsense now. Illegal aliens in Mexico on the caravan think they have a right to sue the US government on an equal protection basis for not letting them in. This is the kind of madness that grows from having court decisions establish law.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  144. @MarkinLA

    Surely if those aliens in Mexico – so far only illegally present in Mexico – think they can sue in the US it can only be because some shyster lawyers have said that if they just get up $25,000 in deposits a class action can be begun. Indeed I can imagine some non lawyer agents selling the proposition like some of the shysters who got people to sign up for ninja loans before 2008.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  145. Them Guys says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ACLU Jew Lawyer’s probably will do it 100% Free…Then get paid with usa taxpayer shekels$$, after the big win case. Especially now with us house reps under dem commie lefty lib control. ACLU is picky on types cases they agree to do though…They flat out refuse All pro 2nd amend gun Rights cases. They claim where 2nd states…”Right of The People” does NOT apply to Persons! What else can the people mean?….Pots and pans maybe? Between commie dems+ aclu+ Spineless Repubs, most anyways, Look for far greater illegal invader aliens to be allowed entry, and Fast Track citizenships…Later on, Look for vast war via fed up Whiteys.

    One day in usa future, you just may see TV News debates on…”Just How Many avg sized human bodies can be supported on a single Stout Oak Tree Branch?” and, “Are we going to see massive national shortages of….ROPE?”

  146. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Toombs

    Good work, there, Toombs.

    Let me add one more bit of reading to your list, and that is the Mexican Constitution. It clearly states that children born of Mexican parents are Mexican no matter where they are born. At this time, if they are born in America they also acquire American citizenship. But since they are Mexican everywhere and American only if born on US territory, then Mexico surely has the primary connection with these people, thus should have the say concerning “jurisdiction thereof.”

    The “tourist baby” scam is just too transparent for words. The Wong Kim Ark case clearly gives two characteristics for considering an otherwise foreign child born on US territory to have citizenship. These are “permanent domicile” and “carrying on business”. Tourists are thus barred from getting American citizenship on their quickie vacation.

  147. KD says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    This is what is so contemptuous about the charade over Trump’s enforcement of immigration, asylum, and border laws, that technicalities and “due process” are having the INTENDED effect of ruining law and order.
    Tucker Carlson interviewed Mike Donovan who cited RILR v. Johnson, which said the Executive branch can’t discourage asylum. This is EXACTLY why there is a caravan now. The people know they can claim asylum and disappear in the US.
    These economic migrant enablers are telling citizens, “fuck you,” so Trump is saying “fuck you, too.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  148. Whatever used to be the case (points of which can be debated), the thing is, NOW it has become necessary to stop this practice. Foreigners heavily abused the U.S. immigration system, leaving us with no other choice than to take all steps possible to get the situation under control. Please note that the U.S. people didn’t bring this about; the ones who brought it about are the abusers. And they assuredly don’t care as much as actual U.S. citizens do that some disenfranchised individuals will have a long road ahead on the path of LEGAL immigration. The people to blame for all of this are the illegal cheats.

  149. @KD

    My knowledge of US law is not great and I hadn’t even heard of the case you cite. But I can try and sort out the different kinds of relevant argument..

    1. Some immigrants could create a crime problem, though few do. That is maybe just an everyday police problem.

    2. Poor people anywhere may be a source of cost to Americans as taxpayers or charitable givers. But it is arguable that letting them become a major cost within US borders is reason for throwing out the politicians who allow it.

    3. Likewise they should not be allowed to disrupt the bottom end of the labor market and that’s a sustainable argument even if you don’t extend it to the effect of Indians taking the software jobs (which one probably should, in a nuanced way).

    4. Some local effects on the housing market should be subject at least to light touch intervention. (Rather bizarrely, some would think, a Chinese billionaire was – at least supposedly – required to sell a $25 million established house that he had bought in Sydney. It would have been OK if the block was vacant after a fire and he had constructed an identical building). At least local lawyers should prosper finding the loopholes.

    5. The big one – coequal with the next for the US – is allowing immigrants to become voting citizens before they have become fully American. I would say the general rule would be that a family should be net taxpayers/contributors for 15 years before becoming citizens – with a few exceptions only.

    6. Birthright citizenship is the other big one. It seems unlikely that the 14th Amendment can be amended. So…. legal sanctions, direct and indirect, against the parents and extended families should be tough and nasty. As an offset the US government should pay for good maternity hospitals, and hostels for the very pregnant just over the Mexican border. Yes, in slack times they should be able to cater for poor Americans, not least PoC, with consular assistance for their further emigration. And, beyond that last, if-you-like flippant suggestion it may be worth makng sure some big city maternity hospitals are on foreign territory by reason of being or being in diplomatic premises. I’ld like to know I have got the law right there from someone entitled tto charge for giving an answer. (Back up the use of such maternity facilities by very heavy fines on parents who fail to).

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