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Last month, columnist Marina Medvin published a column about letters allegedly written by Leon Morin, a 29-year old soldier who helped liberate the Dachau concentration camp in 1945. In his letters, Morin made a number of eyebrow-raising claims about Dachau—claims that Medvin swallowed uncritically:

  • The camp contained a gas chamber disguised as a shower room.
  • The gas chamber exterminated inmates using chlorine gas.
  • There were at least 20 camps just like Dachau on German soil.

Today, no historian—mainstream or revisionist, Jewish or gentile—would agree with these claims. According to the official Dachau website, “Killing people on a mass scale through poison gas never took place in the Dachau concentration camp.” According to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Germans operated only five extermination camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. All were located in Poland, not Germany. Neither mainstream historians nor revisionists believe that chlorine gassings occurred at any of the camps.

In his letter, Morin claimed that Dachau’s prison guards gassed thousands of inmates in a three-hour period just before U.S. troops arrived, of which “more than half” were “half cremated.” The point, we are led to believe, was to kill as many Jews as possible immediately before the camp was liberated and to conceal the dead bodies from the U.S. soldiers. If the point was to conceal evidence of gassings, we are left to wonder why the Germans would go to the trouble of half cremating bodies rather than fully cremating them. It is also curious that the guards waited until the very last minute to administer these alleged executions when there would have been ample opportunity to do so earlier.

According to Morin, the gas chamber had a capacity of 250. To gas 2,000 inmates thus would require eight separate gassings. It takes time to load 250 people into a small room. It takes time for a gassing to kill a group of people. And it takes time to drag 25,000+ pounds of human flesh out of that room. To administer 8 or more gassings in three hours the German guards and their staff would have had to average one gassing every 22.5 minutes.

Even more remarkable was the pace at which the gassed bodies were allegedly cremated. According to Morin, there were six crematories at Dachau—two that “can hold three bodies and four more who can hold six apiece.” This appears to be false: there were apparently only two crematoria ever built at Dachau and it is not clear that both were functional when Dachau was liberated. The official Dachau website shows only one crematorium building, referred to as “barrack X.”. Morin presumably meant to say that there were six ovens in this one crematorium and is claiming—improbably—that multiple bodies could be shoved into each oven. For the sake of argument, let’s accept this questionable claim and do the math. To simplify the analysis, we will make the following assumptions: It takes one hour to fully cremate bodies in an oven, no matter how many bodies are crammed inside; it takes half an hour to half cremate a body; time spent moving bodies to the crematorium from the gas chamber and loading them into the ovens is zero; time spent unloading half-cremated bodies from the ovens is zero; time spent moving half-cremated bodies out of the crematorium is zero. So, that gives us:

  • 2 ovens that can hold three bodies each = 6 bodies fully cremated per hour
  • 4 ovens that can hold six bodies each = 24 bodies fully cremated per hour
  • = Total of 30 bodies fully cremated per hour
  • = 60 bodies half cremated per hour
  • = 180 bodies half cremated in three hours

Under more realistic assumptions, the numbers might look something like this:

  • 6 ovens that can hold 1-2 bodies body each = 6-12 bodies cremated per hour
  • = 18-24 bodies fully cremated in three hours
  • = 36-48 bodies half-cremated in three hours

Of course, if we take into account time spent dragging corpses from the gas chamber to the crematorium, loading them into the ovens, removing half-cremated bodies from the ovens, and hauling half-cremated bodies out of the crematorium, the number would be even lower. It is also reasonable to assume that some time would be required to cool the oven before removing half-cremated bodies. Even under the most generous assumptions, Morin’s claim—more than a thousand half-cremations in just three hours, or one half-cremation every 10 seconds or so—obviously is impossible.

Morin did not claim that he personally witnessed any of the gassings or cremations. He was probably telling stories he had been told by others—stories that likely were promoted by the U.S. Army as part of an anti-Germany post-war propaganda campaign.

Some of Medvin’s readers attempted to rebut Morin’s false allegations, but it appears that their comments have been deleted by Townhall staff. (So much for the idea that conservatives support free speech.)

In a follow-up column, Medvin highlighted Morin’s claim that camp guards used bloodhounds to torture Dachau inmates. She states that this claim is backed by “historic photos” which “show Dachau prisoners fighting the ravenous dogs with clubs to survive.” The only photo she linked to, however, shows no such fight—only a pair of inmates sitting near a dead dog. For all we know, the dog may have died of starvation or old age. Curiously, Medvin has not written about similar allegations directed at Israel (see here, here, here, and here).

If it is real, Morin’s letter is historically significant. It is not evidence that there were gas chambers at Dachau (as Medvin believes), but does illustrate a post-war propaganda campaign designed to vilify Nazi Germany—a propaganda campaign that continues to this day.

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  1. Marina Medvin would appear to be Jewish.

    • Agree: BuelahMan, Haxo Angmark
    • Replies: @JWalters
  2. According to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Germans operated only five extermination camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. All were located in Poland, not Germany. Neither mainstream historians nor revisionists believe that chlorine gassings occurred at any of the camps.

    If not chlorine gassing, what kind of gassing happened at those camps?

    If not gassing, what kind of means were used to carry out extermination in those camps?

    I’ll go for Halfocaust. 6 million seems like pure numerology based on Jewish cosmology.

    More likely, 2.5 to 3 million Jews were killed, many of them in the bloodlands of the East.

    Codoh is not a revisionist site. It is a denial site that wants to believe that 0 Jews were killed by Nazis.

  3. @Priss Factor

    So you just invented your own personal Holocaust? Why? Are you only half-Jewish?

    • LOL: BuelahMan
  4. conatus says:
    @Priss Factor

    That is similar to David Cole’s number(3.5 million). He has taken a lot of grief over the years and this is the last estimate. Considering the personal shit-taking he has undergone over the years, this seems like a well considered figure. The bulk of the killing coming from Einzatzgruppen commissar-killing order.

  5. What sort of Holyco\$t denier are you? According to Dr. Leon Well’s testimony at the Eichmann trial, it was ……….Ropa! Yes, Ropa! A kind of solar oil….

  6. @Priss Factor

    You got your half-assed story wrong. To be sure, just the other day still, there were SIX “death camps”, but with modern technology, scientists could actually go to these sites, and found… nothing! No gas chambers, no giant crematoria, no mass graves. So they cut out Madjanek.

    The six extermination camps were Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau

    That quote from the Wikidiots, they have forgotten to update their lies. Treblinka, for example, was a railway station, where passengers were rerouted to the ghettos, which explains why nobody can find your granma’s remains there, it was not even a camp in the real sense.
    And so we will destroy the rest of their lies, as real evidence comes to the forth. And just to be clear, if Hitler burned six million Jews (down to five million these days) why the hell did he give them millions to eff off to Palestine? Get off your perch, fool.
    Challenge: Any Jewish holocau\$ter wants to pay my travelling costs, I will take a spade, and dig anywhere you say, for as long as it takes to reach base rock (or at least some probable depth, predefined), to find your friggin’ mass grave.
    If I find your mass grave (thousand plus bodies/skeletons) I shall commit hari-kiri, live, on your Jewtube channel. While dressed as a rabid dog. With my penis hanging out. Choose your own punishment, I’ll take it! I will use utmost care and respect in my work, but if I find nothing, every reference to that damned holocau\$t must stop. And I will want to hear some effen apologies for your lies. And you must give the Germans their money back!
    P.S. CODOH is not a revisionist site, it is a suppository of historical evidence. Oh, and “revisionism” is only a swear word to those who refuse to accept facts, and cling to “history”, which is “…propaganda written by the victor…” the victor being shoved down my throat by racial superiorist academia, overrepresented by the Jewish.
    As for “Conatus”, boy, shut up. Einsatzgruppen, indeed! Prove it!

  7. BuelahMan says:

    Think what one will about Nazis, but it sure takes one helluva lot of lies, constant “remembering” and museums, laws against even questioning the vaunted 6 Million number… leading to arrest and years in prison… just to keep the questionable (at a minimum) or obvious (which I agree with) lie afloat.

    Patton said we fought the wrong enemy.

    Now the real enemy runs America.

  8. @conatus

    The bulk of the killing coming from Einzatzgruppen commissar-killing order.

    I know there were a lot of Jewish Communists in the USSR, but 3.5 million commissars seems to be pushing it a bit.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  9. Nazis are the dumbest people on the planet. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to cremate a body. 28 gallons of fuel are needed per corpse. Instead of fuel for tanks, trucks and planes, they were using it for cremation apparently. On top of that, Germany has very little natural fuel resources. No wonder they lost the war.

  10. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Some of Medvin’s readers attempted to rebut Morin’s false allegations, but it appears that their comments have been deleted by Townhall staff. (So much for the idea that conservatives support free speech.)… Curiously, Medvin has not written about similar allegations directed at Israel

    Anyone who doesn’t know by now that the entire “Holocaust” was and is Zionist dogma and propaganda doesn’t want to know.

    It’s interesting how American liberals and conservatives, leftists and imperialist neocons cling to their Holocaust religion false consciousness. Mass hysteria, psychodrama and mental illness, and also a comfortable lie that allows them to psychologically justify the monstrousness of their Zionist occupied government.

    • Agree: Alfred, Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Wally
  11. @MalePaleStale

    On the “How it’s Made” show on the science channel, they showed how a crematorium oven is made.

    This guy’s site talks about burning human bodies.

    Anybody who gives any credence whatsoever to the holohoax (or any mini derivative thereof) is a barking mad loon.

  12. Malla says:

    The fact that ((they)) have criminalized Holocaust Revisionism in many countries itself, the only historical “event” in all of human history to be off limits is itself proof that it is all made up bullshit propaganda and lies.
    ((They)) gave it away by their actions and fears (of the hoax being officially debunked).
    The Nanjing Holohoax is another such scam.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @sparky
  13. MarkU says:
    @Priss Factor

    It appears you have just committed a heresy, don’t you know that any number between zero and six million will get you shot at by both sides? Been there, done it, got the blood-stained tee shirt.

    • LOL: Rogue
    • Replies: @Robjil
  14. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    I recall at one of the Zundel trials in Canada back in the 80’s or 90’s, the ADL or some other jewish organization got a “holocaust survivor” on the stand and he said that you could tell the nationality of the jews that were being cremated in the ovens by the color of the smoke that came out of the chimneys. Marina Medvin would probably believe everything he said.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  15. TxAnon says:

    If you were to read the ramblings of j00 puppets Ch*rchill and Eisenh*wer, and of the great George Patton, none of them mention any systematic killing of anyone in Europe other than armed combatants.
    There sure does seem to be a ton of holohoax survivors… 1939 world j00-ish population was 15.6 million (source – American j00-ish bureau committe), 1947 world j00-ish population was 15.6 million (source… world almanac).
    Where did the six gorillion go…..

    The moral of the story… never trust a j00.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  16. I may be just a simple country boy but it appears these Nazi fellows weren’t very efficient at this genocide business. Seems there is an inordinate number of survivors still living although in shacks with little or no food (as seen on T.V.). A poor race left with nothing, will no one help the children of Abraham?

  17. Jiminy says:

    Way back in the eighties I knew an old German fighter pilot who told great stories of his exploits during ww2. Herman the German. But both he and wife once said that they never knew that the Jew killings were going on.
    I often think back how it was a shame I never thought of recording his conversations.

    • Replies: @Druid55
  18. Q: What was the fastest way to communicate during the ‘holocaust’?

    A: A hologram.

  19. Alfred says:

    The easiest and cheapest way to kill 6 million people is to isolate them and not feed them. To keep them exposed in a large field or forest.

    Funny how the Germans could send ballistic rockets and Kamikaze drones to London but could not come up with such a simple “solution”. 🙂

  20. sparky says:

    If you are receptive to such unorthodox ideas, let me also encourage you to also research the Hiroshima and Nagasaki sun-god bomb hoaxes. These cities were not “nuked”, they were firebombed exactly like all the other big Japanese cities during WWII. There is a lot of interesting evidence out there of damage surveys and comparisons, the non-altered eye witness testimonies (all of which describe a firebombing raid), the extreme efforts the US government went to in order to control the information coming out of Japan etc…

    The entire narrative of a nuclear superweapon was just a massive propaganda lie. Nuclear weapons do not exist. But the fraudulent idea of them gives the US a great excuse to cop out of any fights with countries that can put up a moderate fight such as North Korea, China, and Russia.

    • Troll: Niebelheim
    • Replies: @paranoid goy
    , @Rogue
  21. Alfred says:

    Thirty years ago, and for 3 years, I worked for a German chemical company at their head office in Munich. The office was across the street from the famous museum opened by Adolf Hitler – Haus der Kunst. Behind the museum lies the Englischer Garten which was famous for nude women sunbathing. I guess it has now been taken over by the gays.

    A girl colleague who was half-black commuted from Dachau – a suburb of Munich. I was a little shocked to hear that. For some reason I assumed that Dachau must be in Poland. My knowledge of the geography of Mitteleuropa was very limited at that time.

    This week, I was contacted by a friend who was a colleague of mine during that period. He was ecstatic because “Biden had won”. When I pointed out to him that the media were controlled by the usual suspects and that everything he learned in the German media was filtered by the CIA, he just ignored my points. Next, I pointed out to him that Trump did not start any wars – that he tried to divert the animosity towards China rather than Russia. Again, my friend ignored my remarks. Lastly, I told him that Putin had said that any war against Russia will not take place on Russian soil – i.e. that Poland and Germany would be pulverized. Once more, my friend declined to listen to me.

    Now, I have reached the point where I think that those who refuse to face reality deserve to die. 🙁

    • Agree: Thim, Stan d Mute

    Trump is Hitler in supporting the zionist genocide of Palestinians.

    And Big Tech(run by Jews) are into cyber-book-burning.

  23. I haven’t had a shower in a couple of days and could really use some of that Jew soap about now. I hear nothing gets your private parts cleaner than soap made from Chosenoid fat. Not only that but my cat knocked over my lamp and broke the shade. Any chance there are Jew-skin lampshades sitting in a warehouse somewhere going unused? Just wondering because I know how Jews like to repair the world and my situation could use some fixin’.

  24. Wally says:
    @Priss Factor

    You have no more proof for your ridiculous ‘2.5M’ than you do for the ‘6M’.

    Sign at Dachau:
    ‘Hungarian Jewish women transported from Auschwitz with their babies at Dachau, May 1945.’
    Yet it’s claimed that “the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on.”

    From CODOH that you cannot refute:
    And do try to back up what you say by debating in a no name calling, no dodging Forum at:
    What are you afraid of?

    – There were no German homicidal gas chambers anywhere and there is no proof there was. In fact they were scientifically impossible as alleged.
    i.e.: Auschwitz:
    The alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here.:

    – There were no “exterminations by the Germans’, and there is no proof there was.
    Recall that it is claimed by laughable “holocaust historians” that there are millions upon millions of “holocaust” human remains in known locations. yet no such remains exist. Period.

    At Nuremberg, perjurer Blaha said about Dachau in a sworn statement:

    “There were numerous executions by gas, executions by firearms, and by injections, in the camp. The gas chamber was finished in 1944, and I called Dr. Rascher to examine the first victim. Of the eight or nine persons in the chamber, three were still alive; the others seemed to be dead. Their eyes were red and their faces bloated. Numerous detainees were subsquently killed in the same manner.”
    IMT, vol. V, p. 198 (PS-3249).

    But now we’re told that there were no gassings, and THEN the Zionist tried to switch to laughable one-off “experimental” gassings, all of which contradicts Blaha above … the liars can’t keep their stories straight.

    More on Dachau here: –

    • Thanks: profnasty, mark green
    • Replies: @anon
  25. Lies are free of the requirements that physics places on the Truth.

    Jews are Master Liars… like Satan, their Father. Just ask Jesus Christ.

    • Agree: Druid55
  26. @paranoid goy

    “a suppository of historical evidence”
    That is SO rude! Almost semitic!

  27. @paranoid goy

    Depository! Not a suppository, a friggin’ DEPOSITORY of historical facts.
    I apologise to the good people of codoh, Ingelish she not my first language. Or, second, apparently…

    • Replies: @dimples
  28. @MalePaleStale

    It’s worse than that. It took the Germans years to find Anne Frank, and even then they didn’t murder her. It’s almost as if they weren’t trying to kill all the Jews. Every “survivor” seems to be evidence for that too. Were the Germans so stupid?

  29. There is no doubt that concentration camps and gas chambers etc existed. It is rediculous to deny it. Personally I have known and talked to people who returned from these camps. The Russian Red Army liberated the Polish camps. Some of the liberating soldiers are still alive and talking about it in interviews. It’s well documented. The Russians wouldn’t lie about it, there is no reason to deny it or conceal what was happening.

    • Replies: @Katrinka
    , @Fox
    , @Art
    , @Vojkan
    , @Wally
  30. @sparky

    I shall not argue atomic weapons with you, but I point out:
    Japan, like Germany, was under constant bombardment. Unlike Germany, Japanese build with wood and paper, fire made more sense (???) than shrapnel.
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki was probably also firebombed, but the central business districs, where the reserve and financial headquarters were, had concrete and steel structures, something better (???) was needed.
    Whatever you think they used, remember this: The axis of evil were not fascists, so much as they stopped borrowing their own currency from The Feds in London. Hitler never officially declared war on Jews, even after 1938 when the War broke out. The Jewish International did, however, declare open war in 1936. Not on Hitler, but on National Socialism, an economics theory they demanded (almost typed demented) they demanded “…be eradicated from the memory of mankind forever…”or suchlike, I paraphrased, possibly.
    Thus, the financial headquarters in Japan got bombed, because they diddent wanna borrow munny, just like that Hitler guy, and that frucken Fascist in Italy…

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  31. padre says:
    @paranoid goy

    So they were realy a working camps?Butlet me tell you, that I am old enough to know people, who were there (they were not Jews), and I would believe them more, than to those, who came there when it was all over!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  32. @Priss Factor

    Jews were around 40% of the German labor camp population. Their mortality rate was not on average any different from other inmates. There was no excess of Jewish deaths in those camps. See my book ‘Breaking the Spell, Holocaust Myth and reality’ now in 4th edition.
    Meanwhile your comment “Codoh is not a revisionist site. It is a denial site that wants to believe that 0 Jews were killed by Nazis” is just too silly for words.
    “what kind of gassing happened at those camps” – cyanide gassing, of course. Huge amounts of Zyklon were used. But it killed bugs, not Jews, its function was hygenic not homicidal. It saved lives, it didn’t take them.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
    • Thanks: Robjil, Alfred, nokangaroos, GeeBee
  33. Robjil says:

    Whatever happened was “wanted” to appear to happen. Israel’s formation depended on this “magical” number. The big Js who wanted all this are at fault. The way this magical number is used is not good one. Censorship, wars, control of nations, and regime changes is all we got from this “magical” number in the past 75 years. It has not been a good ride for this planet earth.

    The superstitious ‘power’ of ‘six’ in the Jewish mind can be found, for example, in the fact that the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. was purposely designed so that the display floors of photographs and artifacts of the Permanent Exhibition cover a space of 36,000 square feet. In ‘Gematria’ it is understood that this represents six thousand multiplied by six thousand. At the end of the tour the visitor enters the six thousand square foot Hall of Remembrance, which has six sides symbolising the six-pointed Star of David, and the six ‘extermination’ camps where ‘Six Million’ Jews were slaughtered. One can also find there a collection of six thousand children’s hand-painted tiles. Yaffa Sonenson, a member of the U.S. Holocaust Commission donated, according to a sympathetic review of the museum penned by Barbara Beckwith for the online St. Anthony Messenger, a collection of six thousand photographs.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wizard of Oz
  34. @paranoid goy

    I’m quite prepared to accept David Irving’s report of the transcripts he read of the SS shortwave radio reports intercepted by the British. In one year, the SS claimed they killed 1.25 million Jews. The only trouble with that is the Nazi habit of calling all their enemies Jews and they certainly targeted Communists and partisans regardless of whether they were Jews.

    There was partisan fighting in occupied Eastern Europe, there were Jews who were part of that resistance and there were Nazi reprisals against civilians they believed were supporting the partisans. There certainly were Jewish Communists and I expect that Jews were among the most dedicated enemies of the Nazis.

    The gas chambers were British big lie propaganda like their First World War story of German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on their bayonets but there was a real holocaust in Eastern Europe carried out by shooting. It’s probably hard to know, in many cases, who the victims really were but it would be extraordinary if they didn’t include many Jews. If they didn’t, that would mean Jews didn’t regard the Nazis as their enemies. [email protected]

    • Replies: @Rogue
    , @TGD
    , @Curmudgeon
  35. I visited Dachau in 1973 while a preteen. Not knowing any different at the time it made quite an impression on my young mind. Myth and historical propaganda are powerful tools when used upon the ignorant.

  36. a_german says:

    Over here i will face the law if i deny what was. Surely there is not much Jewish live and culture left, so something must happened. Further there are lot of haters on this religion, even here. I simply don’t care, don’t know what Jewish means and regard it as a religion like others. With all the outcomes like the others.

    At least i am horrified about the industrial murder, regardless if you call it concentration camp or a drone/nuclear killing instrument.

    But Germans are known as efficient, so why did they use a poison gas? It is highly dangerous to the staff, very unhandy, the chambers and corpses must be degassed to continue this murderous process aso. You have a lot of exhaust gases from the other murderous procedures and can simply fill your shower with them.

    Sure it is cynical to call that a very obvious and economic way, but what is not cynical on this topic, regardless where truth and lies are located?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  37. 6,000,000! The number has been working just fine for the holocaust industry, therefore, we don’t see the need to alter numerology for the present. And this business is not going away thus we’ll revisit it from time to time to review figures for an update depending upon how much shekels are flowing in from around the world. Of course, we may codify the six million figure with a universal tax to ease the bookkeeping…

  38. Rogue says:

    Nuclear weapons do not exist.

    Some comments at Unz are really nutty. Like yours for example.

    So the USA doesn’t have nukes? And nor do the Russians, Chinese, Brits and Frogs?

    Or the Israelis? Or the Indians and Pakistanis?

    And South Africa never had them and dismantled them so a Marxist-leaning Black government couldn’t inherit them?

    Sure, and the Earth is flat and those swines at NASA have been covering it up for decades…

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  39. Hans says:

    LMAO. So it’s a gonna be a morphing into The BabiYar0caust” is it? Folks be going to jail now for denying the “geysers of blood” and the gorillions murderd by the Einsantzgruppen.

    Will the Arnold Friedmans, Debbie Lipschatzs be imprisoned for “minimizing” the ocaust for their tales of Appleoverthefenceschwitz?

    What about the “eye witnesses” from Dachau and Belsen etc?

    I’m confused. Please, Jews, just call for a time out and then announce a mulligan so we can start fresh.

  40. gotmituns says:
    @paranoid goy

    Well said sir. The mortal sin of the Nazis and Fascists was they cut out the middle man/jews. That’s how Hitler had Germany back on its feet by 1935-36 economically and the rest of Europe was still in the depression. Many Europeans were going to Germany to work. Obviously, the jews couldn’t let that happen and declared economic war on Germany – that would be the end of their centuries old game.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon, GeeBee
    • Thanks: Ugetit
  41. Rogue says:
    @Donald A Thomson


    Basically agree with you.

    Irving also claims that there were some gassings – but it was not Command-Central stuff (from zer Fuhrer) but more of an ad-hoc thing.

    Whether he’s right about that or not, it sounds plausible.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  42. Robjil says:

    People move. No Germans are left in the Eastern Provinces of Germany that Poland took after the war. The same in East Prussia (Kaliningrad in Russia), Sudetenland (now in Czechia), Germans in Romania and Yugoslavia. The total was about 15 million moved to the rumps Germanies – East or West after 1945.

    We don’t have Censorship Religion about this forced movement. The difference with Jewish Movement Religion is that it is a mandatory religion for everyone in the west. In the cinema, press, and media it is all the time 24/7. The huddled masses of the world are weary and tired of this forced fed religion for the past 75 years. The human spirit is yearning to be free of this religion.

    • Agree: Katrinka
  43. Katrinka says:

    The Germans used “coke” ie. “coal ash” to burn bodies in the crematory retorts. Coke is a by-product of the liquid fuel industry. Most of the volatile components are removed from coal. The coke must be stored indoors, it will not burn if it gets wet in the rain, etc. No large storage facility for this fuel was ever found at any camp. So, “millions” of bodies were never burned. You can’t burn bodies, composed of mainly water, without very large amounts of hot burning fuel. The “holo-hoax” story is made up.

  44. Katrinka says:

    Then why did the Russians make idiotic changes to the alleged “homicidal gas chamber disguised as a shower room” at Auschwitz? The Russians (who would NEVER lie, LOL) added a chimney that did not attach to any building and made crude holes in the ceiling. People LIE. Only the liar knows the motivation.

    • Replies: @Contraviews
  45. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    The proto-Israelis murdered Patton. First attempt by car accident, finished by doctors. He would never have allowed the lie.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  46. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    “Minus six million thou shalt return.”

    • Replies: @Robjil
  47. anarchyst says:

    From an engineering and logistical standpoint, NONE of the claims made by holocaust™ “survivors” and promoters is possible.

    –Killing jews with “bug spray” (Zyklon B) is not only impossible, but is laughable on its face.

    –Transporting jews to “camps”, utilizing scarce energy sources, transportation and logistical difficulties only to kill them is not only problematic but impossible as well.

    –Tattooing camp inmates only to kill them is also problematic.

    –If the “camps” were truly “death camps” why would medical facilities, recreational facilities, brothels, movie theaters, and other amenities be needed?

    –“Gas chambers” with non-sealed wooden doors and the lack of ventilation systems for such facilities, once again, disproves the claims made by holocaust™ promoters. Doors that “swing the wrong way” would make retrieval of the bodies impossible. Ordinary light fixtures, rather than explosion proof lighting fixtures are claimed to have been the norm.

    –Claims by holocaust™ promoters that gassed bodies were blue or green (rather than bright red) from poisoning are totally false.

    –Claims that the inmates could tell when jews were being cremated by the color of smoke emitted from the crematoria chimneys are patently foolish and false.

    –Let’s not forget “lampshades, wallets, soap and shrunken heads” made from jews is also laughable,

    –Crematoria running 24 hours a day, without “downtime” for maintenance on the muffles and flames “visible out of the crematoria stacks” are also impossibilities. Crematoria are designed to burn “clean” with no visible smoke and definitely no flames outside the stacks would be possible. Not only that, the claims that thousands of bodies were cremated daily are a statistical impossibility as it takes approximately 1.5 hours to cremate a human body. If cremation were used on “6 million” jews, the cremation process would have been operating into the 1950s.

    –The lack of depositories for bodies and ashes is more proof that the “camps” were not “death camps” but rather “work camps” for the German war effort.

    –Anne Frank’s “diary” partially written with a ball-point pen which was not invented till the 1950s. Time travel, anyone? lol

    Germans were (and still are) excellent engineers and would not have engineered the grievous errors that are claimed by holocaust promoters.

    Follow the shekels…

  48. anarchyst says:

    Monika Schaefer…

    Ursula Haverbeck…

    Sylvia Stolz…

    …and many others who DARE to question that “holiest of holy” jewish hoax–the jewish “holocaust”…all have been imprisoned for their thoughts.

    A “war of words” can work. It is long overdue to “take the narrative” away from those who would harm us and have Israel’s interests take precedence over what is good for the United States.

    Whenever I write about the “jewish question” and jewish influence in the United States, I always use the term: “loyalty oath to a foreign country” to explain the collusion with jews and Israel by our traitorous politicians. The message is one that is valid and is getting across.

    A suggestion:

    Make leaflets with pictures of Monika Schaefer, Ursula Haverbeck, Sylvia Stolz, with the question: “

    Q: Why were these grandmothers imprisoned?

    A: for questioning certain aspects of the “holocaust”.

    And then hand them to visitors to the various “holocaust museums” around the country.

    You can bet that the local media will soon get involved, especially if the curators of these taxpayer-supported “freak shows” involve the authorities to “find out who is disseminating this hateful material”.

    It is time to take the fight to our oppressors.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @Anon
  49. @Rogue

    Some comments at Unz are really nutty.

    Those people who dispute the existence of nukes are going to have an embolism when the next generation of super-weapons is finally revealed.

    I’m guessing autonomous homicidal mechanoids, cyborgs, human-animal hybrids, seismic and scalar weapons, anti-matter bombs, etc.

    But the reality will probably be far worse.

    Thankfully the planet probably doesn’t have the collective resources to build a Death Star (yet).

    • Replies: @SOS777
  50. Ugetit says:

    If you were to read the ramblings of j00 puppets Ch*rchill and Eisenh*wer, and of the great George Patton, none of them mention any systematic killing of anyone in Europe other than armed combatants.

    Speaking of which, apparently one can add de Gaulle’s name too.

    Eisenhower’s Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill’s Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle’s three-volume Memoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi ‘gas chambers,’ a ‘genocide’ of the Jews, or of ‘six million’ Jewish victims of the war.

    Besides that there never were 6 million Jews under the control of the Germans at any time.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  51. Trickster says:

    Well I remember seeing a photo of an oven in one of the camps. The door was open BUT there was the remains of a hand in perfect condition sticking out. There was some statement that the soldiers who liberated the camp were “horrified at this ghastly evidence of German brutality”.

    But wait, the entire body was reduced to ashes but the hand remained ?

    There were also photos of a shrunken head, the Germans having apparently perfected the art, and kept one as a trophy. However when “experts” arrived to check it out, the head disappeared and when the photos were examined the head looked like it came from some Amazonian tribe.

    People believe whatever shit is shovelled their way even though they know and it is an accepted fact that politicians and government officials LIE from habit and as a matter of course.

    The ability to think for oneself is mostly lost . What with modern communication starting with the radio we no longer need to use our heads for anything other than a good shampoo.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  52. saggy says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    The number of Jews killed in the camps because they were Jews is zero. The vid below gives the best summary of the ‘revisionist’ position … it begins ..

    The holocaust is a preposterous hoax that is unsupported by any physical evidence. It is made up of literally millions of lies, but it all rests on one ‘big lie’.

    The hoax has three main components –
    1. The Nazis planned to exterminate the Jews.
    2. The Nazis built gas chambers to exterminate the Jews and disguised them as shower rooms.
    3. The Nazis killed six million Jews.

    Each component of the hoax is categorically false and completely without evidence. There was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews or anyone else, and no evidence of one has ever been found. The gas chambers disguised as shower rooms are pure phantasmagoria, and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them. The number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero, and it is well documented that the Nazis aggressively investigated any crime in the camps.

    That is the hoax, and the reality

    The big lie is the photos and film footage that are shown of Jewish prisoners who had been gassed by the Nazis. The truth is that all the photos and film were taken after the war by British and US soldiers, and showed prisoners of all nationalities and religions who had died of typhus at the very last weeks of the war, primarily at Belsen where 35,000 died, 10,000 after the camp had been liberated by the British. Further, the Nazis had done everything in their power to combat the epidemic.

    Video Link

  53. Trickster says:

    Alfred, I like your comments and I think you are extremely intelligent probably more so than I could ever hope to be. But if a cat can look at a King then even a fool like the Trickster can teach a wise man something.

    I no longer try to convince anyone of anything. It is a waste of time and energy. I employ the following techniques:

    1. I listen attentively
    2. I nod my head wisely
    3. I say “fuck off” silently

    I have found my life has become vastly more simple, contented and irritant free. When one is in a madhouse one must either be mad with all the rest or be considered mad by all the rest.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Ugetit
  54. Bookish1 says:

    If you are in a state of still believing in that holocaust fairy tail just read this link and the issue will be settled in your mind:

  55. @anon

    That was Arnold Freidman. He was called as a witness called by the prosecution.

    That episode was reported all across the country via the 2 national news stations that Canada had at the time. I remember exactly where I was when I watched this news report, and me and everyone in the house started breaking out in fits of laughter.

    I haven’t stopped laughing since.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @Not Raul
  56. Trinity says:

    The Fairy Tales Of The Muh Holoco\$t. Wasn’t really that long ago when even (((historians))) were claiming Jews being turned into bars of soaps and lampshades, claiming this really did happen. Of course we had some woman lay claim to escaping a concentration camp and surviving in the woods living among wolves. smdh. Yeah right. Go and walk up on a pack of wild wolves and see how long you last? Maybe they will ignore you or just run away, but if they bother to stop and investigate your smelly ass is hamburger.

    With tales like this, is it no wonder why Jews dominate the comic book industry with companies like Marvel and DC. A lot of these “holocaust” tales are about as real as Wakanda.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  57. TGD says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    Those of you who believe that Mr. Irving (as he refers to himself) reports on “real history” should read about the real Mr. Irving.

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Rogue
  58. unit472 says:

    Dachau was a conventional prison, the sort of facility every nation operates. Yes, you could be sent there for political crimes but that wasn’t unusual in Europe in the 1930’s. Inmates received a sentence from the German courts and would be released upon completion of that sentence.

    Crimes were committed in WW2, of that there can be no doubt, but we should consider what would a victorious German Army have found in Belmarsh Prison or Rikers Island had the UK and US lost the war. Well fed prisoners serving their time while the civilian population was starving with their towns and cities in ruins?

  59. @Alfred

    Hmm, maybe not deserve, but they certainly set the conditions for their death through their ignorance.. destined maybe! I have many friends in London who simply discount me repeating these same points to them.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  60. Robjil says:

    Patton knew the deal. Thus he had to go. Our Rulers don’t like back talk. We are dealing now with what Patton noticed at a massive,tidal wave scale.

    There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: First, implement Communism, and second, see that all business men of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs. They have utterly lost the Anglo-Saxon conception of justice and feel that a man can be kicked out because somebody else says he is a Nazi. They were evidently quite shocked when I told them I would kick nobody out without the successful proof of guilt before a court of law.
    George S. Patton, senior officer of the United States Army

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  61. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    I survived from Dachau concentration camp gas chambers after being gassed to death three times and collected Billions in holocaust reparation payments. If you are a survivor you can apply too.

  62. @paranoid goy

    I agree with your contentions…

    The CODOH site has posted articles that describes where Jews may have been mass murdered, particularly from David Irving, who has also concurred that executions did take place in the East. However, his supporters have claimed that such revelations are more recent as a result of possible threats to both him and his family.

    This is possible, given that his magnus opus, “Hitler’s War” does not make mention of the Holocaust per-say anywhere in his book. However, not having read this book just yet (However, it is in my library), I cannot say for certain that such eastern executions were not included in his work.

    To my knowledge, the Einsatzgruppen were units that were used to protect the rear guard of German advancing forces into the USSR. As a result, their unit strengths were actually rather small, with the largest being around 9,500 troops.

    The following article supports the numbers I remember reading about a few years ago among other interesting notes about the realities of the Einsatzgruppen…


    I cannot say for sure how accurate this article is, though it is sourced in various spots throughout.

    The problem is, unless one is using primary source material we cannot be sure about the statements of any historian who is not. Nonetheless, Jewish\Holocaust sites are already known for their agendas so cannot be trusted as viable either.

    The term, revisionism, when applied to history has never made any sense as there can be no such thing when applied to historical inquiry. This would the same as calling all new scientific research that disproves existing theories as false promotions of newly developed science.

    History, like many other fields of study is not only open to interpretation but modification as well and such modification is expected in order to maintain the integrity of the historical record.

    The problem is that so many people are ignorant of the very subjects they believe they have knowledge of that they fall for such nonsense as historians being called revisionists, when in fact that is the very job of legitimate historical researchers.

  63. Robjil says:

    Here is the explanation of that.

    Quote 2] Regarding the ‘six million’ number you should know the following: In the Hebrew text of the Torah prophesies, one can read “you shall return”. In the text the letter “V” or “VAU” is absent, as Hebrew does not have any numbers; the letter V stands for the number 6. Ben Weintraub, a religious scientist, learned from rabbis that the meaning of the missing letter means the number is ‘6 million’. The prophesy then reads: You will return, but with 6 million less. See Ben Weintraub: “The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism”, Cosmo Publishing, Washington 1995, page 3. The missing 6 million must be so before the Jews can return to the Promised Land. Jahweh sees this as a cleaning of the souls of the sinful people. The Jews must, on the return to the Promised Land, be clean — the cleaning shall be done in burning stokes. –A Correspondent

    • Replies: @Katrinka
  64. Jews are about 2-3% of The American population.

    Negroes are about 13% of the American population

    Wouldn’t it be great if the number on published pieces in here about Jews and Negroes approximated the percentages of the American population?

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Ugetit
  65. Anonymous[925] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole concept of gas chambers stopped making sense once I started thinking about it. Why not simply shoot them? Was there a bullet shortage? For people inclined to kill it would arguably be more “fun”.

    • Agree: mark green
  66. @padre

    Well, at the Zundel Trials, people who were there testified for the defense. Joseph Burg was one of them. Here is his take:
    I am old enough to know people too, and 50 – 60 years ago, other than Hollow-co\$t \$urvivor\$ few, if any would say anything.
    Here are the Wannasee Conference minutes, used by the US at Nuremberg, from an official narrative site. This was supposed to be the blueprint for the Hollow-co\$t. If you can show me one part of this document that demonstrates an intent to murder, please do. Note, that the minutes discuss the dangers of shipping the Jews across the Mediterranean due to Allied warships. If they intended to kill these people, it would have been simple to load up an old freighter painted as Kriegsmarine and send it out, letting the Allies sink it.
    Also note that the number of Jews under German control was approximately 3.8 million. More than 4.3 million claimed reparations post war. As the old saying goes, sadly the other six million were lost.
    Revisionists do not deny Jews died in captivity. They do not deny Jews were treated badly in many cases. They do not deny National Socialism was authoritarian. They deny that there was a systemic plan to exterminate Jews. The best the Hollow-co\$t promoters can come up with it the Wannasee Conference minutes. The late Robert Faurisson never got an answer to his 60 year old question: Show me, or draw for me, a homicidal Nazi gas chamber. Probably, because there were none.

    • Agree: Ugetit, mark green
    • Replies: @Katrinka
  67. lysias says:

    Auschwitz, while it was in Poland both before the German invasion in 1939 and after its liberation by the Red Army in 1945, was in the German province (Gau) of Upper Silesia (Oberschlesien) from 1939 to 1945. Germany had annexed the territory.

  68. @Donald A Thomson

    If memory serves me correctly the 1.25 million (even if real) were not in camps.
    The SS was a paramilitary party organization for internal security. Einstazgruppen were SS. Their task was to find spies. Under the rules of war, in place until Nuremberg, non-uniformed combatants were spies, as were those who aided and abetted the non-uniformed combatants. Therefore, the resistance and under-ground groups were spies as were the people that aided and abetted them. Spies could be summarily executed.
    It is entirely likely that, as you point out, many if not most of the 1.25 million killed were not Jews, just enemies. The so-called criminality of the Einsatzgruppen actions was declared ex post facto. That does not mean that the SS did not kill innocent people, just as the Allies killed innocent people. In wars, innocent people are the collateral damage declared by the military.

  69. @Anonymous

    You should have hidden in a crematorium chimney with me and the other 20 or so. It was a tough climb, but better than being gassed three times.

    • LOL: Trinity
  70. Curle says:

    But how does one behave in a struggle session? BTW – some governments on the west coast have already implemented critical theory training for employees where they are subject to interrogation.

  71. Wally says:

    “The bulk of the killing coming from Einzatzgruppen commissar-killing order.”

    The classic desperate fall back position.
    Please present your proof, not empty claims.
    And note:

    The fraudulent ‘holocau\$t’ Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, the enormous mass graves & human remains are claimed to exist in specifically known places.
    So, is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    Your desperate nonsense have been demolished right here at this site:

    also recommended:
    !! Excavation Result: No Human Remains of alleged Einsatzgruppen killing site for an alleged 34,000 Jews at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period.:
    Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen ‘Killings’:
    ‘Eric Hunt’s response to David Cole’:
    Cole & Irving’s Einsatzgruppeen ‘holocaust’ lite / but what ‘2.4 million document’?:
    Cole & Irving attempt ‘rehabilitation’ via the Hoefle Telegram:
    Grubach’s Open Letter to David Irving on his recent change of mind about the Holocaust / Einsatzgruppen

    • Thanks: Pat Kittle
  72. Art says:

    Fifty-five million people died in WWII. We who identify as Christians, grieve for all of them.

    The “six million” is a Jew lie – that has been used to do more dark mendacious evil all over the West and the ME.

    Christian America is an optimistic nation. The Jews and their “six million holocaust death museums” do not represent us. We must stop public funding of these dark places of spurious death worship.

    All most everyone alive had nothing to do with WWII. The “false six million holocaust death museums” are an attempt to manufacture a debilitating guilt trip on all of humanity.


    • Agree: mark green
    • Thanks: Trinity
  73. Wally says:
    @Chris Moore

    Excellent points, Chris!

    It is because the “holocaust” narrative does stand up to science, rational though & logic that free speech about is censored / banned. Simple as that.
    Only lies require censorship.

    Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the “Holocaust”:

    The Persecution Of Revisionists: The “Holocaust” Unveiled[/i], by Mark Farrel (2006):
    A brilliant documentary that covers some of the innocent victims of the ruthless, brutal & violent jewish goyim attacks, and the best footage I have seen of jewish life in the concentration camps (note Mark missed the jewish Brothel), (audio out of synch). Check out what some ruthless jews have done to professors and researchers, just so that they may keep selling the jewish lie of the Holocaust.”

    Video Link

    • Thanks: Katrinka
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  74. Alfred says:
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    Wouldn’t it be great if the number on published pieces in here about Jews and Negroes approximated the percentages of the American population?

    Wouldn’t it be great if Jews controlled politics, the media, the internet and Hollywood in direct proportion to their percentage of the American population?

  75. Katrinka says:

    The six million number was used for decades before Hitler assumed power.

    • Agree: Robjil
  76. @Anonymous

    You and Curmudgeon are both pikers. Because Moshe Peer of Montreal was gassed 5…….no, 6 Times!

    BTW, if you’ve never read about it before, my favorite holocaust reparations claim was made by a Jew who was chased by dogs with poison teeth.

    • LOL: Rufus Clyde
    • Replies: @Anonius
    , @Garliv
  77. Katrinka says:

    Instead of going to all the trouble of building “death camps”, why not just take the people to be killed out into the Baltic Sea in large ships and throw them overboard? No need to burn or bury the corpses. People would willingly board the ships with their belongings thinking they would be going to new homes. Once the deed is done, the ship heads back to shore, the personal effects are removed, and a new batch of people come on board. This scenario would be much simpler than gassing people. No one would survive in the cold water. It amazes me that this method wasn’t used, if the killings took place at all.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  78. @conatus

    The “Kommissarbefehl” had nothing to do with the Einsatzgruppen,
    it was a “Weisung für die Kriegführung” i.e. a Standing Order for all armed forces
    (Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS) on the Eastern Front.
    You do realize you just admitted all kommissars were Jews, right?

  79. Mulegino1 says:

    Nothing will move the true believer or the fanatic Shoah Business cultist. No evidence, nor the lack thereof, nor the laughable technical and logistic implausibility of the 6 million will convince them that the narrative is totally false.

    Nobody denies that many Jews were interned in camps or conscripted for labor, and that a significant number- perhaps amounting to tens of thousands- were shot on the Eastern Front as commissars, partisans, reprisal hostages or saboteurs. Of course, the official Holocaust Industry has magnified the figures for the latter beyond anything logistically, technically or militarily feasible. There are no mass graves at Babi Yar and other alleged Einsatzgruppen killing sites; the only mass graves which have been uncovered are those of victims of the NKVD (such as Katyn).

    There is no authentic documentation to support the narrative of a physical destruction of Jews, via poison, gas, shooting or deliberate starvation. On the other hand, there is plenty of documentation which demonstrates that the “final/total solution” to the “Jewish question/problem” was the removal of most of the Jews of Europe outside of the German sphere of influence and their resettlement elsewhere. This is evinced by the Madagascar Plan, the Evian Conference, the Rublee-Wohlthat Agreement, and the Luther Memorandum of August 1942. Even Yad Vashem historian Yehuda Bauer has admitted that the Wannsee Conference had nothing to do with preparing a mass murder or “holocaust” of Jews. Its protocols merely reiterate a territorial solution to the Jewish matter, i.e., removal and resettlement.

    The cyanide gas chamber narratives for Auschwitz-Birkenau and Majdanek (since removed from the list of “extermination camps”) have been totally refuted and disproven via an exhaustive exposition of the facts related to the chambers themselves, as well as the logistical impossibilities and technical absurdities proffered as “proofs.” By the admission of Jean Claude Pressac, the most technically authoritative establishment defender of the official narrative, that virtually all (95% by his estimation) all of the Zyklon-B requisitioned was for the delousing/fumigation chambers. In addition, Zyklon-B was a pesticide designed for slow, safe fumigation and delousing, and virtually useless for mass murder in the manner described by the alleged eyewitnesses. The disposal of millions of dead bodies via the 52 ordinary cremation retorts within such a short interval as claimed is a virtual impossibility.

    Treblinka II was a transit camp. The method of mass gassing claimed there was via means of diesel exhaust, which is not immediately life threatening. The account of the gigantic mass grave pits at Treblinka II, which allegedly contained over 700,000 bodies, is sheer fantasy, as is the ridiculous account of the disposal of human remains via outdoor cremation pyres.

    The rational default position with respect to this event should be extreme skepticism, if not outright rejection, based upon a reasonable and objective appraisal of the claims, which are in most cases delusional to the point of absurdity. The Shoah Business is nothing more than a Disneyland like pseudo-religion.

    • Thanks: GeeBee, Katrinka
  80. @Robjil

    If Emmett Till had been a Jew, there would have been six million of him.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  81. Bert33 says:

    Right, OK, so, not to belittle or deny or debate The Holocaust or whatever, but rather just to point out that the events of WWII, which also killed other people besides zechoos, are now 8 decades behind us. In the meantime, a lot of people have died because of other things. In a decade, heart disease alone has killed as many Americans as German gas chambers and bullets did. Just heart disease, just counting Americans, here. Add other countries to the annual global heart disease toll and it’s probably well over a million. Start adding other causes of death not related to military oppression or confinement, and it’s probably several millions of people annually.

    Going back to Big Two, it’s believed as many as 13 million Russians died during that 6-year time period. War sucks. So do dictators. Especially when they get genocidal about things.

    But, the question remains: WHAT were zechoos up to in Europe, that this action was chosen and allowed to go forward?

  82. Ugetit says:

    I no longer try to convince anyone of anything. It is a waste of time and energy.

    I’ve come to the same conclusion. My favorite technique is your 1 & 2 then ask how they know what they’re claiming. Depending on the situation I may pursue the inquiry, but if I sense that the situation is hopeless, and it almost always is, I then apply mockery or ridicule to the source of their info. All I can hope for is that the questions gnaw at some of them until they start asking the questions themselves.

    It’s really easy to diss “news” sources and bogus crap like Wikipedia, the various talking heads, and “da Histrey Channul.”

  83. Robjil says:
    @Etruscan Film Star

    Controlling the “free” Zion press would make the work. Anything is possible when a group controls the entire MSM press. So, yes 6 million Jewish E. T.s would be easy to manufacture as “truth” by our “free” Zion press. Henry Ford noticed this way back in the 1920. It has been hundred years already. Enough is enough. Freedom of press is what the world needs now more than anything.

    Controlling the world’s sources of news, All-Judaan [Jews] can always prepare the minds of the people for its next move. The greatest exposure yet to be made is the way that news is manufactured and the way in which the mind of whole nations is molded for a purpose. When the powerful Jew is at last traced and his hand revealed, then comes the ready cry of persecution and it echoes through the world press. The real causes of the persecution (which is the oppression of the people by the financial practices of the Jews) are never given publicity. Henry Ford

  84. Ugetit says:
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    Wouldn’t it be great if the number on published pieces in here about Jews and Negroes approximated the percentages of the American population?


  85. Ugetit says:

    Instead of going to all the trouble of building “death camps”, why not just take the people to be killed out into the Baltic Sea in large ships and throw them overboard?

    I think Stalin didn’t even bother throwing them overboard; he just scuttled the vessels. Some Zio-crazies did the same thing. Even Haaretz admits to it.

    1948: The Altalena Arms Ship Reaches Israel, and Is [Deliberately]Attacked With Friendly Fire
    By the end of two tragic days, pitting the newly created IDF against the Irgun, 19 people were dead.

    I’m surprised they didn’t claim 19,000 killed.

    Anyway, here’s another; probably 200,000 went down with the ship. Anything’s possible, eh?


    I really should start collecting funds for museums to memorialize the victims…or maybe I’ll just have CONgress pass a few laws to fund ’em. I could even manage ’em for a trifling sum.

  86. Rogue says:

    The Birdman/Birdbrain was an utter waste of time for every second I spent on his pointless site. Several years ago it was – unfortunately, I’ll never get the time back.

    I remember he once said there was no big deal about pornography. Right, of course not.

    He had all the ego of David Irving without any of the knowledge or expertise.

    Don’t ruin your credibility one whit further by ever quoting him again.

  87. Not Raul says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    There may have been a lot of collateral damage. Nazis were more worried about false negatives than false positives.

    Also, there may have been reprisals against civilians in areas suspected of supporting the enemy, like at Qibya, and Mỹ Lai.

  88. L.K says:
    @Priss Factor

    Codoh is not a revisionist site. It is a denial site that wants to believe that 0 Jews were killed by Nazis.

    What you wrote above is a big, fat *LIE*, and I suspect that you damn well know it…
    Which makes you just another sad little LIAR.
    Either you never read CODOH OR… you are misrepresenting it on PURPOSE. F you for that.

    CODOH has promoted the work of all major holocaust revisionist historians, none of whom have defended the notion that the National Socialists never killed any Jews.

    What they generally state is:

    1. There was NO State sponsored physical “extermination” program against the Jews or anyone else.

    2. There were NO “death” camps, and NO homicidal gas chambers.

    3. The actual number of Jews who perished as a result of NS policies or executions is a fraction of the ridiculous and unsupported 6 million figure.

    4. Most top revisionists also reject the idea that the Einsatzgruppen used mobile gas chambers – gas vans – to kill Jews on the Eastern front as atrocity propaganda, which it is, and many reject the extremely high figures for shootings as exaggerations.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Replies: @Ugetit
  89. Dario says:

    ” According to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Germans operated only five extermination camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. All were located in Poland, not Germany. “

    For clarity. Poland did not exist as a state between 1939 and 1945. The above-mentioned extermination camps were located in the territories occupied by Germany and were subject to the German occupation administration.

  90. Not Raul says:

    I generally agree with Irving; and I agree with him that some gassings took place in the death camps in Poland.

    Irving is definitely not an actual “holocaust denier” (although he rightly doesn’t accept the 6 million figure), and he made a huge mistake when he wrestled in the mud with Deborah Lipstadt.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @Rogue
  91. Fox says:

    Here are some questions for you:
    Who denies that there were concentration camps? Likewise, no one doubts that the Red Army occupied the abandoned camps located around Auschwitz. The camp at Auschwitz was not liberated, since one can’t liberate an abandoned area, but one can occupy or take possession of it. The front had moved to the west at the time of the Red Army’s arrival at Auschwitz. The camp was abandoned and the inmates asked whether they wanted to stay to await the Red Army’s arrival or leave for the west with the German camp personnel; it appears that the majority of inmates chose the latter option, including the famous “holocaust survivor” Elie Wiesel. Very strange indeed in the light of what is disseminated these days.

    In your comment you basically invent things you impute “deniers” are saying so that you can correct them.

  92. JWalters says:
    @Colin Wright

    Definitely a lot of tribalism involved, which always creates blind spots. Given the evidence that those letters were fabricated, it raises a question about all such evidence. And we know that the standard story of how Israel was created is fabricated history. In that fabrication the Zionists were innocent victims of predatory Palestinians. But the actual historical record is exactly the reverse. The fabricated history is thoroughly debunked here.
    “War Profiteers and the Roots of the ‘War on Terror’”

    The fact that it is illegal to debate a certain topic is a HUGE red flag. What other historical incident is illegal to discuss? The 1st Amendment provides America’s method of settling disagreements – free and open investigation and discussion. People trying to kill the 1st Amendment must have secret motives.

  93. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    People move. No Germans are left in the Eastern Provinces of Germany that Poland took after the war. The …

    Yes i know and I now the laws here too. They jailed an 90 year Old Lady for two years saying similar things as written here. She is sitting every day of this time. Free a few days ago.

    Please read my comment under this “conditions”.

    • Thanks: Robjil
  94. TGD says:


    The Birdman/Birdbrain was an utter waste of time for every second I spent on his pointless site. Several years ago it was – unfortunately, I’ll never get the time back.

    John “Birdman” Bryant was a genius and a member of MENSA whose intellect ranged far and wide. I found his website fascinating. I had a correspondence with him because he was interested in learning more about Dr. Emanuel M. Josephson, whom I had met and knew a little about. I am sorry that he died before I had a chance to meet him.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  95. @Katrinka

    Because the Russia suffered most of all countries during WWII. Some 26 million people were killed many in concentration camps. There is no reason to lie about this. Why? Your contention that they altered or removed buildings is completely unsubstantiated and can be dismissed as “conspiracy theory” and anti Russian propaganda. I survived the war thanks to the Russian Red Army. That tells you something of my age and I remember it as the day of yesterday. We never forget the horrific times gwe went through. Where were you at the time? Tell me.

    • Replies: @Fox
  96. Tom Waste says:

    The Red Cross published a figure of less than 300,000
    deaths in the camps up to 1943. The majority of deaths
    we’re attributed to typhus. Gas canisters ( zyrkon-B) were
    there because camp inmates clothing was gassed to kill lice which spread typhus. By the time time Germany was loosing
    the war badly, ration became scarce and inmates were starving. Remember these were work camps not deaths and inmates worked in Poland’s coal fields in Seleisha

  97. Ugetit says:

    4. Most top revisionists also reject the idea that the Einsatzgruppen used mobile gas chambers – gas vans – to kill Jews …

    The usual suspects are known to blame others for what they’ve done.

    It was the Soviets who used vans to gas people. In a similar fashion they falsely accused Germans of cutting limbs of of children in Belgium when, in fact, the Belgians really did do that to Congolese when they didn’t meet their latex quotas. They put a bounty on severed hands, in fact.

    If anyone doubts this, I can provide evidence.

  98. Not Raul says:
    @Not Raul

    For the record, I believe that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis and their collaborators (but probably less than 6 million), and I included the completely out of context tweet (it has nothing to do with 1940s history) as a joke (and I already regret doing so).

  99. Anonius says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    “… Moshe Peer of Montreal was gassed 5…….no, 6 Times! …”

    Correction! He was gassed at least 6 times!…


  100. Not Raul says:

    I would imagine that many Jews in Eastern and Central Europe fled to USSR-controlled territory, rather than risk being captured by the Nazis.

  101. @BuelahMan

    If the British and American troops knew what they were fighting for and what it would result in, they would have turned their guns on their politicians

  102. MarkinLA says:

    I want to know why there is even a “Holocaust Remembrance Day”. Who wants to remember about something the vast majority of people couldn’t care less about. I care more about who is going to get the last beer in the fridge.

  103. Fox says:

    There are of course many reasons to lie about the number of victims and this makes it so important to use objective methods and verifiable procedures and sources to arrive at approximately accurate numbers.

    The counting of Soviet losses started out with Stalin’s statement in July of 1945 of 5 million Soviet war dead, slowly inching, e.g., to 7 million in 1946 (also from Stalin) to 27 million to which you added yet another million. According to the recorded number of deaths in the concentration camps (these records are held at Bad Arolsen in Germany, but strangely inaccessible by people who are considered to be critical of the dogmatic account of the war), about 300000 (0.3 million) people died between 1933 and 1945 in these camps of all causes. This includes the 1300 dead from the American bombing raid of the camp at Dora-Mittelbau near Nordhausen in April of 1945.

  104. Paulbe says:
    @paranoid goy

    Could also be a repository, but, stick with suppository. It raises one finger to holostablishment and gives it a good push.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  105. dimples says:
    @paranoid goy

    Actually the correct word is ‘repository’. Perhaps you were thinking of the Texas School Book Depository, which is maybe a commercialised form of repository.

  106. The entire charade is predicated on stupidity of urban ghetto dwellers who believe all manner of superstitious nonsense like the idea that a human, 96% H2O by weight, is combustible.

    As a real redneck farmboy, I have cremated bodies. You can’t bury dead critters in the winter folks. And the amount of fuel necessary to burn completely a single say 100lb animal is immense. I learned that the hard way – finding half a cooked critter where I expected only ashes then having to build up a pyre all over again.

    For you believers, try this next time Fluffy croaks: burn Fluffy’s 9lb corpse to ash and let us know how much fuel and how long it took..

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Thanks: Rufus Clyde
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  107. @paranoid goy

    Don’t let emotions get in the way of common sense. Thre is no problem about Hitler, who wanted to rid Germany (and, later, any lands ruled by Germany) of Jews encouraging them to go to Palestine in return for a lot of money and with a view to causing trouble for the Brits. He knew that simple minded anti-Semitism and massacres would rouse all sorts of opposition and he also had wider and greater objectives which, also, varied from time to time in priority and emphasis.

  108. @Wally

    I watched a bit of a documentary about German civilian life during WW2 and diary entries and letters to soldiers by civilian women were prominent and apparently shown as yellowed original documents. Some were patriotic, some not. Some believing Goebbels, some sceptical , eventually. Only one that I recall referred to Auschwitz but, if genuine as it appeared to be, it was pretty deadly as evidence of a real genocidal Holocaust. It said that one of the woman’s work colleagues in Baden had smuggled in a copy of a French language Swiss (Geneva) newspaper which described how Jews were being sent to Auschwitz and gassed after pretending they were going into showers. That was, from memory, about October 1944.

    How do you denialists deal with that kind of evidence? Whether 2 million or 4 million or more Jews were murdered deliberately by Germans and collaborators isn’t the point. And what up to date research on documents like that can you cite? Or are you stuck with whatever you thought you knew 30 years ago?

  109. Mulegino1 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Exactly right! Imagine disposing of Fluffy x 70,000,000 ( at Treblinka II- median weight of the alleged 700,000 victims at 90 or so lbs.) and consider the difficulty of the burial in a gigantic mass grave, the subsequent exhumation and outdoor cremation on railroad ties in a relatively rainy and cold climate and the gigantic quantity of dried, cured firewood needed. Also take into consideration that this enormous quantity of firewood must be kept dry. How about the fleet of earth moving equipment and excavators needed to dig, cover the mass burial pits, dig them up again and refill them?

  110. @conatus

    Some Jews were killed in the East, this was a culling of inferior Jews by Western Jews.

    Hitler, Himmler and Eichmann, the architects of the Final Solution were all Jewish. Even Hitler’s beard, Eva Braun was Jewish.

    Then there is the matter of over half of the Third Reich’s Officer Corps were either Jewish or half Jewish, which would have made them all candidates for extermination under a Final Solution.

    The “Final Solution” left no paper trail.

    The Euthanization program was well documented.

    “Leon Morin” was most likely the pen name of a OSS writing committee. Adding support to Eisenhower’s (Eisen and Hauer are Jewish surnames) Hollywood produced propaganda film about the “death” camps.

    Here’s a link to an obituary for a Leon Morin from Canada. Check the portrait.

  111. @Robjil

    And you take seriously people who are so dim or so careless that they can’t do simple arithmetic and allow you to publish and prove that!? If it isn’t obvious to you you are probably one of them.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  112. @Robjil

    That alleged quote from Patton absolutely reeks of phony made up fakery. Would you care to give sources which are credible, other than just to simple minded believers.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  113. Mulegino1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Only one that I recall referred to Auschwitz but, if genuine as it appeared to be, it was pretty deadly as evidence of a real genocidal Holocaust. It said that one of the woman’s work colleagues in Baden had smuggled in a copy of a French language Swiss (Geneva) newspaper which described how Jews were being sent to Auschwitz and gassed after pretending they were going into showers. That was, from memory, about October 1944.

    How do you denialists deal with that kind of evidence?

    What you describe is not evidence at all, but second or third hand hearsay used as propaganda.

    Something someone read in a “smuggled newspaper” does not constitute proof of anything, unless the events it describes can be backed up by hard physical and authentic documentary evidence. The former would require proving the existence of homicidal gas chambers “disguised as showers.”

    No forensic investigation undertaken at Auschwitz-Birkenau has ever demonstrated the existence of these homicidal gas chambers; the buildings once thought to have been the actual “gas chambers” at Birkenau have been proven to be unheated underground morgues, totally unfit for carrying out mass homicidal gassings. There are no traces of iron cyanide compound (caused by the hydrogen cyanide from the Zyklon-B bonding with iron in the brickwork) to be found in the masonry of these buildings, while on the other hand there are abundant traces of it in the real gas chambers at the camp, i.e., the delousing/fumigation chambers used to disinfect clothing and bedding. The real delousing chambers disposed of state of the art fumigation technology- an automated process to open the Zyklon-B canister and arrange the pellets in thin layers (as per the manual for proper use of the pesticide) hot air blower to heat up the pellets sufficiently to evaporate and release the hydrogen cyanide as gas; powerful circulator ventilators to distribute the poison gas, and extraction fans to vent the chamber after the fumigation cycle was completed.

    By contrast, in the alleged “homicidal gas chambers” the so called eyewitnesses told of the pellets of Zyklon-B being dumped in bunches onto the unheated floor of the “chamber” through a makeshift hole in the roof. Of course, this would not have worked. The pellets were designed to be distributed in thin layers, not bunches. Had this method been employed, the hydrogen cyanide in the pellets would most likely never have outgassed and there would be no homicidal mass gassing. The whole “gas chamber” legend has been thoroughly discredited.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  114. Denierbud says:

    One element to understand this is our own (USA) Psych Warfare Department lied to our own troops. Whether it was SHAEF, USA, or the 3rd Army’s own internal Psych warfare department isn’t clear. (Perhaps it was even the OSS.) Their objective can be seen in that Dachau part of the film played at the Nuremberg Trial.

    Their lying to our own troops in other camps like Buchenwald, and publicized in Stars And Stripes Newspaper, may have put those troops in a disposition to then gun down in cold blood many Germans stationed at Dachau.

    But one mistake Psych Warfare made is the seeming logic that gas would be propelled through tubes. Its an easy mistake. First of all one thinks of ‘gas’ as maybe coming though a tube. Exhaust ‘gas’ comes though an exhaust tube. If you throw fake shower heads into the story, then it’s easy to make a conceptual jump, that a pipe attached to the shower head was where poison gas then came through. But Zyklon B doesn’t propel itself like that. It just sublimates into the air. No propulsion.

    Thanks John Huss, for linking to the videos I made (but someone else who I don’t know posted them on bitchute. Glad they did.)

    • Thanks: Genrick Yagoda, Robjil
    • Replies: @L.K
  115. Vojkan says:
    @Priss Factor

    I’m a Holocaust agnostic. I don’t know if it happened or not and the thing is, I don’t care. By rule of thumb, I don’t trust proven liars on anything they say. So many claims about WWII have been proven to be outlandish inventions that I just don’t feel like wasting my lifetime digging through the mud of Jewish lies to reach the truth.
    What I see is that today Jews’ behaviour is absolutely odious so excuse me for not giving a damn about what happened to their forebears seventy-five or eighty years ago.

  116. Art says:

    There is no doubt that concentration camps and gas chambers etc existed. It is rediculous to deny it.

    Six million is an egregious lie!

    It is ridiculous to deny that the Jews have used what bad happened in WWII, to do more wrong in Palestine and the ME. Two wrongs never make a right.

    Shame – shame on the Jew!

  117. a_german says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How do you denialists deal with that kind of evidence?

    Can’t see any evidence just a story. The allies had bombed Germany with leaflets too. This will be story Nr 1 in it. Instead there is some dubious smuggling over a border.

    Nazi Germany was an brutal chaotic dictatorship. The “Feldpost” was censored and you get serious trouble if you write the wrong things. This was not such global warming deny, you simply risk your life. So this documents are useless in this way.

    There is absolutely no doubt that the “Endlösung” for people with Jewish religion has happened. Judenstern, Kauf nicht bei Juden, Reichsfluchtsteuer, Rassegesetze are well documented and undisputed. Further i know what older people told me as i were jung.

    Disputes on the topics here are violations of the local law if i dispute. A clear hint of made up history.

  118. Rogue says:
    @Not Raul

    Irving…made a huge mistake when he wrestled in the mud with Deborah Lipstadt.

    Definitely. Not a chance was just about any judge gonna take on the Jewish lobby and find in his favor.

    Irving defends his decision still – but it’s abundantly clear it was the wrong decision.

  119. Rogue says:

    John “Birdman” Bryant was a genius and a member of MENSA

    Being highly intelligent doesn’t guarantee wisdom or insight.

    Anyway, I looked at some of his stuff but, in the end, wasn’t much impressed.

    Still, each to their own.

  120. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Whatever happened it was wanted to happen or made to appear to happen for big Js in power. Israel was gotten and a new religion born. The huddled masses of the world are weary and tired of this barbaric stone age like religion. The huddled masses all over the world are yearning to breathe air free of this Zion totalitarian enforced religion.

    In this new form of Abrahamism (perhaps we could call it Holocaustianity), the Jew is Abel and the Nazi is Cain. Hitler is the devil, the Germans the Romans and the Jew is collectively Jesus: enlightened, persecuted, innocent. The creation event is World War Two, when the Allies banded together to defeat the Nazis. This was the act that bonded the West together and created the modern world.

    Because of the pre-eminence of the Holocaust religion among Western political and media elites, we’re led to believe that the deaths of the six million somehow collectively won us a spiritual peace or absolution from evil. This sacrifice replaces the sacrifice of Jesus as the one that we should all be grateful for; we should all grovel before the priests because of it. Questioning this narrative is worthy of rage, disgust, social rejection.

    The charge of “Holocaust denial” is a modern way of saying blasphemy, the religion so blasphemed against in this case being the Holocaust religion. To suggest that fewer than six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust is to blaspheme. This is effectively a heresy, in other words a sin against God, and deserves to be treated as such, with the utmost contempt and censure. Germany even went as far as putting an old lady in prison for questioning this sacred myth.

  121. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It is from his diaries. We have been living in very dark times since 12.23.1913. Big Js in power are quite barbaric in their thinking. A real freedom of the press is the best way to reform our rulers. Enough is enough. It has gone on to long. The entire world is yearning to breathe air free of Zion barbarism.

    Notice he says most of DPs are Jews. Thus there were many Jews in Europe after all after the war.

    The unmistakable hatred which had been directed at him during this press conference finally opened Patton’s eyes fully as to what was afoot. In his diary that night he wrote:

    “There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: first, implement communism, and second, see that all businessmen of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.

    “They have utterly lost the Anglo-Saxon conception of justice and feel that a man can be kicked out because somebody else says he is a Nazi. They were evidently quite shocked when I told them I would kick nobody out without the successful proof of guilt before a court of law . . .

    “Another point which the press harped on was the fact that we were doing too much for the Germans to the detriment of the DP’s, most of whom are Jews. I could not give the answer to that one, because the answer is that, in my opinion and that of most nonpolitical officers, it is vitally necessary for us to build Germany up now as a buffer state against Russia. In fact, I am afraid we have waited too long.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  122. @a_german

    “That disputes are “Violations of the Law”, is simply more proof against the absurd narrative as it is presently presented.

  123. Vojkan says:

    The problem with the gas chambers as advertised by the Holocaust industry is that, well, they don’t work. I know the tenants of official History dismiss that little concern of non-believers like me as a mere technicality and that gas chambers worked because hey, they killed Jews but from my lowly terrestrial point of view of an engineer, things that don’t work, don’t work.
    Therefore I presume that people who try to convince me that things for which I know that they don’t work, actually work and that I am a rabid nazi-loving anti-semite if I believe otherwise, are actually liars. So if they lie about gas chambers, what else do they lie about?
    As I said in another comment, with regards to the Holocaust, I am agnostic. I don’t care if nazis did or did not commit a genocide against Jews. In forming my opinion about nazism or WWII, Jews aren’t even part of the equation. Jews are the ultimate “ends justify the means” people, regardless of the suffering their means cause. I don’t empathise with psychopaths, I don’t care for their real or made-up suffering at the hands of nazis, they and their alleged torturers are as a matter of fact bearers of very similar hateful, supremacist ideologies.
    The only difference being that nazis were up-front about what they wanted while Jews love to conceal the satanic substance of their designs underneath camouflaging Promethean pilpul.

  124. Adamant says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What evidence? A story printed in a newspaper? They ran the same atrocity porn during WWI and it worked so why not again?

  125. @Paulbe

    Yeah, for a second I considered using that as my farcical excuse…then I corrected it wrong, anyway! Repositories of knowledge, repositories of (you won’t believe how often I have to check myself on spelling knowledge)…
    Fact remains; CODOH collects some very good evidence. For example, the photos of Yankees “liberating” some Kamp, and the little crowd of dumpy young inmates of the female variety coyly flirting with the soldiers, possibly to score some bully-beef or cigarettes? By thier plump appearance, I will assume it was for cigarettes and chocolates.
    The skinny photos come many months later, after the Yankenfrenlish and their Bolshevik buds from Leningrad starved the Germans in camps they built for the purpose. Three years, I believe the embargo on Germany lasted?

  126. @Wizard of Oz

    And what up to date research on documents like that can you cite?

    Come on, we got ground penetrating radar, core drill samples, excavations, newly-declassified historical military and civil records, chemical analyses. You rely on 75 year old hearsay and a trial where confessions were literally tortured out of witnesses.



  127. @Robjil

    Thanks. You inspired me to do a search and I discovered that Patton was far more extreme in his views than I had previously understood. Indeed he was perhaps seen as, potentially, so dangerous that it is not too difficult to see why some might have considered killing him.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  128. @Rogue

    Unfortunately Irving’s utter stupidity in taking on Lipstadt without at least £2 million play money for litigation makes one wonder about his judgment generally, not least as a historian assessing evidence.

    But I believe, with some knowledge of the relevant culture, that you are wrong in believing that an English High Court judge would even see himself as “taking on the Jewish lobby” if he were inclined to find for Irving. Maybe an elected judge in the US but not one appointed in the British system.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @Rogue
  129. @Mulegino1

    Interesting that you take objection (the wrong objection) to my using the word “evidence” and then just trot out a well reharsed story, with only assertions and without a shred of evidence for its truth.

    The only legitimate objection you could have made, although you should have been able to guess that it was not in dispute, was to ask what the woman’s letter was evidence of. Of course it doesn’t prove that rumours were true but, given the absence of evidence that the Allies in 1944-45 were using rumours about Auschwitz as propaganda, it is of interest that a German civilian might believe the atrocity story in a Swiss newspaper about her government’s behaviour. It is evidence at least that Germans didn’t think their rulers incapable of genocide. That perhaps shifts the evidentiary burden.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  130. anastasia says:

    They are allowed to say anything they want, true or not true, so long as it fosters the idea that Hitler killed 6 million people with bug fumigant; whereas the other side, upon threat of arrest in most of Europe, is not allowed to say anything.

  131. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks. You inspired me to do a search and I discovered that Patton was far more extreme in his views than I had previously understood. Indeed he was perhaps seen as, potentially, so dangerous that it is not too difficult to see why some might have considered killing him.

    Ha, ha.

    So it’s taken several years, but you’re finally starting to admit I was probably correct in my 2016 article on that subject:

    Perhaps you’ll eventually start to admit I was probably also correct about the JFK Assassination, the 9/11 attacks, and the Covid-19 outbreak, not to mention World War II in general:

    • Thanks: Robjil
    • LOL: Pop Warner
  132. Mulegino1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    …given the absence of evidence that the Allies in 1944-45 were using rumours about Auschwitz as propaganda, it is of interest that a German civilian might believe the atrocity story in a Swiss newspaper about her government’s behaviour. It is evidence at least that Germans didn’t think their rulers incapable of genocide. That perhaps shifts the evidentiary burden.

    There is indeed evidence that the Allies were using rumors about Auschwitz as propaganda, just as they used fake propaganda atrocity during the First World War to demonize the Germans. This was admitted by the head of British Intelligence, William Cavendish-Bentinck:

    “In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as ‘trustworthy’. The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded.

    Mr Allen and myself have both followed German atrocities quite closely. I do not believe that there is any evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court that Polish children have been killed on the spot by Germans when their parents were being deported to work in Germany, nor that Polish children have been sold to German settlers. As regards putting Poles to death in gas chambers, I do not believe that there is any evidence that this has been done. There have been many stories to this effect, and we have played them up in… rumours without believing that they had any foundation. At any rate there is far less evidence than exists for the mass murder of Polish officers by the Russians at Katyn. On the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour.

    I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the stories of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of German atrocities being brushed aside as being mere propaganda.

    I am very sad to see that we must needs ape the Russians and talk about ‘Hitlerite’ instead of ‘German’.”

    (My italics)

    It is clear that Cavendish-Bentinck did not believe in the gas chamber stories, even though he accepted the narrative that the Germans were “out to destroy Jews of any age unless…fit for manual labour” (which he provided no evidence for).

    The “gas chamber” stories have largely been put to rest. It is difficult to see how the 6 million legend can persist, seeing that its heretofore central nucleus- the industrial scale mass murder of Jews in poison gas chambers- has been so thoroughly discredited. But it does continue. It is simply too valuable an asset for international Jewry and Zionism to admit that it is false. New methods (“Holocaust by Bullets”) must be created as substitutes for the now discredited gas chamber story.

    A goy who abandons his healthy skepticism and legitimate methodical doubt in the face of such egregiously false Jewish propaganda will see his faculties of critical thinking and rational inquiry destroyed and his brain turned into a pile of protean mush.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  133. @Rogue

    I completely disagree with your position, and history will also disagree. Whether or not Irving lost the case is not the issue. The issue is that the HolyCo\$t promoters were not able to come up with any evidence to support their fantasies. Not in this trial, and not in the Zundel trial.

    Like it or not, this is important, and these cases (along with the work of numerous other people) will be the ones that finally breaks the back of “the holocaust”.

    It’s one thing to make compelling arguments on the internet. But court trials are forever.

    • Agree: Garliv
    • Replies: @Rogue
  134. Garliv says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    It now makes sense: all these “Holocaust survivors” must be the same ones who turned up in record numbers to vote in 2020. Truly a bunch of eternal survivors.

  135. @Ron Unz

    It depends on what you are saying is correct. If you claim to have demonstrated reason to doubt that only the would be and maybe actual assassin Lee Harvey Oswald was involved in 1963 then I can agree although I am inclined to think it needs to be considered with the RFK murder and a proper review of, at least, Robert Caro, on LBJ.

    I’m less inclined to accept your blowback from Wuhan thesis since the Chinese have not backed it definitively, which counts against it if not definitively. And I still think what you seem to regard as the smoking gun – the ABC and Jerusalem Times reports – are easily enough explained by alternative possibilities that I have set out.

    On 9/11 I have I think suggested possible scenarios in case Silverstein was involved in a Mossad conspiracy but don’t really buy it because I don’t think you have even begun to make out a coherent case. All I can see evidence of in all the 9/11 conspiracy theories propagated on UR – including whatever incompletely expounded one is yours – is that Mossad may well have known more than they warned the US about in detail. But whatever your version is it is not helped by factual errors and unexplained problems of some theories you seem to have left open – such as what happened to the passengers

    As to WWll you have covered so much ground that it would be surprising if you hadn’t hit on some still dodgy areas. You have certainly made me notice in the JTA online newsletters’ advertisements for help in extracting money from the Germans which I would have thought should be dropped by anyone really concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism. I should add that the complex dealings of Germans generally and Nazis in particular with Jews and the JQ can be seen as deserving much more nuanced treatment than that of Hollywood and all those documentaries who still parrot the 6 million (though, as I have pointed out, 4.5 million can be mentioned as possible by respected Australian ABC broadcsrters). It is of course absurd that the Havana agreement id off limits in UK Labour.

    The extent of Roosevelt’s willingness to risk losses to ensure entry into WW2 is a question I think you have validly drawn attention to. But, despite his character flaws, I don’t see Churchill’s anti Nazi warnings as bought . (Class would be a good source of explanation if one wanted to wander off conventional explanations). Hitler’s perhaps opportunistic decision to pursue his long term Lebensraum ambitions while Britain remained in the war doesn’t seem to me to be in doubt

    • Replies: @L.K
  136. @Mulegino1

    Thanks for helping me get up to date on Bill Bentinck. It was at least easy enough to find his (genuine) words that you quote by Googling . I suppose you might hypothesise that the Swiss press was passing on Polish propaganda but it remains interesting that a German woman seems to have believed it.

    Please note that it is time to stop concentrating on the 6 million except perhaps to snipe at its casual repetition. I don’t think it passes the critical smell test today.

  137. L.K says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard of Oz == TROLL

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  138. @Ron Unz

    Aha! Spreading yourself a bit thin my young friend!. Fortified by being allowed to swim in a pool again and having swum a mile last night I have found the enerrgy to quibble hard. I went to your piece on Patton and *found no comments by me* so you don’t seem to have a basis for suggesting that I was critical of your theory previously. (I would only have gone Anon to respond to a loony that it would have been undignified to acknowledge as serious).

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  139. @L.K

    Now how about earning that star by spelling out reasons for asserting that I display whatever the trolling characteristics you claim to detect.

  140. Not Raul says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But I believe, with some knowledge of the relevant culture, that you are wrong in believing that an English High Court judge would even see himself as “taking on the Jewish lobby” if he were inclined to find for Irving. Maybe an elected judge in the US but not one appointed in the British system.

    I’m not sure that you’re correct.

    Weren’t both major parties pro-Israel by the 1990s?

    Thatcher and Major were ardent Zionists, as was Blair.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  141. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Aha! Spreading yourself a bit thin my young friend!. Fortified by being allowed to swim in a pool again and having swum a mile last night I have found the enerrgy to quibble hard. I went to your piece on Patton and *found no comments by me* so you don’t seem to have a basis for suggesting that I was critical of your theory previously.

    Actually, I count 67(!!!) comments of yours on my 2016 article, quite possibly the most you’ve ever left on a single piece, and highly disputatious. Perhaps your memory isn’t quite as sharp as you think it is…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  142. Rogue says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I deliberately used the phrasing “almost any judge”.

    I lived in the UK for many years, and think my phrasing is correct.

    The UK is a very PC country – and judges are hardly immune to the pressure that that brings.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. Rogue says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Well, you might be right.

    If so, I will admit I was wrong.

    However, and this I need to say, overall I sit somewhat on the fence with regards to the Holocaust narrative.

    I mean, I wouldn’t want something “debunked” if in fact it’s the truth.

    I lean towards it being at the very least exaggerated – but almost all Holocaust deniers/revisionists have an intense dislike or hatred for Jews.

    In truth, the Jews are not my favorite people either, but it’s probably not the best starting point for trying to find objective truth.

    I mean, caricature stereotypes of the “eeevil Nazis” I don’t (any longer) subscribe to – but they weren’t exactly boy scouts either.

    • Replies: @Masterson
    , @Robjil
  144. @Rogue

    Indeed they are often in lined to be politically correct (and before PC they had other blind spots about their prejudices) but you will see too that I also chose my words carefully with reference to taking on the Jewish lobby. They would be more inclined to worry about the opinion of their peers.

  145. @Not Raul

    I was inclined to admire Israel for its bravery and toughness back in the 80s ad 90s so I didn’t even notice and don’t remember what Thatcher and Major said about Israel. In any case it is not what was in question. As I have just indicated to Rogue I think it would be the opinion of their legal peers rather than of Jews which might have weighed on their judgment.

  146. @Ron Unz

    If it were not a precondition of displaying one’s faults, foibles and genius in UR threads that one is thoroughly unembarrassable I would be covered in confusion and incoherently babbling abject apologies. As it is I confess only to not using my memory at all but going straight to the link you provided and “Find on Page”..

    I think I may have first found no result because all Comments were hidden and then, noticing that, at least tried to display the comments then find “Wizard”. More likely I tried to do that but the very recent impairment of my good eye by wet form AMD caused me not to notice my mistyping. Having had extremely good (far better than 20:20l eyesight till recently it is hard to anticipate and accommodate the loss of one letter in 5 or 6 when reviewing what I type.

    But, I hear from those seeking to put me in my place, or merely give me kindly coaching, how could you fail to remember your torrents of words contributed to that thread? I pause to note that it should make quite a few UR threadsters open up a bit more to a variety of odd explanations for acts and events they express certainty about.

    I won’t bore myself by rereading my comments on that thread beyond noting that I seem to have been essentially quibbling about something that didn’t much interest me at the time and that after some comments I seem to have changed tack.

    In short there was no significant Wizard opus to celebrate and remember.

    So, don’t concern yourself with my memory (I’ll tell you how to remember where you have left your car in a multi-storey car park when you have up a bit more mileage) but I do promise to try and avoid falling into the same trap.

  147. Wally says:

    “Personally I have known and talked to people who returned from these camps.”

    – And I have known & talked people who believe in witchcraft and sorcery too.

    In fact, witchcraft was believed in and “proven” in courts all over the world, leaders of state attested to it, there are “documents” which prove it.

    There are soldiers who attest to mass extermination in steam chambers,

    – The fact is that you cannot prove anything even like to the so called “holocaust”.

    And notice that you cannot refute my comment #25. We know why.

    No gassings at Dachau:
    Innocent in Dachau: The Trial and Punishment of Franz Kofler et al.:

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  148. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Presenting all of these excellent facts that there was no Holocaust against Jews means nothing to these religious zealots. These Religious Zealots care nothing about facts or evidence of any kind. We are dealing with a false Religion here who believes it ordained by God himself.

  149. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    You ask why these Grandmothers were put into prison? These filthy religious zealots are cowards and only attack babies, women and the elderly another words those people who are the weakest and who can not defend themselves.

  150. Masterson says:

    Not hate for Jews in general, just against those pity players who thought bogus human skin lampshades, nonexistant human fat soap, ludicrous theories of shower room plumbing gas chambers would be great smokescreens for their planned crimes against humanity.

    Not to mention extorting billions in reparations from the bamboozled German people. Jews who can see should lead the truth brigades as the just thing to do.

    • Agree: Wally
    • Replies: @Rogue
  151. Robjil says:

    I lean towards it being at the very least exaggerated – but almost all Holocaust deniers/revisionists have an intense dislike or hatred for Jews.

    This does not make sense at all. I read a lot of revisionist work. None of them disliked or hated Jews. They are investigators, that is all they are. The Holocaust religion is the problem.

    A number of writers have in fact analysed the parallels between the Holocaust and religion, most notably the Israeli writers Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Shraga Elam, Gilad Atzmon, and Yoshua Shalev. Their arguments have been summarised as follows: Most Jews today are either atheists or shun the religion of Judaism. Therefore, the Jewish people had to adopt belief in the ‘Holocaust’ as their new religion. They have spread this religion all over the world. ‘Holocaust’ museums are the new houses of worship and are present in most major cities. The new religion has its commandments, its decrees, its prophets, its high priests, its circle of saints, its rituals and its pilgrimages. It knows neither mercy, nor forgiveness, nor clemency but only the duty of vengeance. The Holocaust religion is coherent enough to define the new ‘antichrists’ (the Deniers) and it is powerful enough to persecute them (Holocaust denial laws).

    The ‘Ten Commandments’ of this ‘Holocaust Religion’ have been enunciated as follows:

    1 Remember what Amalek (the Non-Jews) has done to thee.
    2Thou shalt never compare THE HOLOCAUST with any other Genocide.
    3 Thou shalt never compare the Nazi crimes with those of Israel.
    4 Thou shalt never doubt the number of 6 million Jewish victims.
    5Thou shalt never doubt that the majority of them died in gas chambers.
    6 Thou shalt not doubt the central role of SATAN Hitler in the extermination of the Jews.
    7Thou shalt never doubt the right of Israel to exist as the Jewish state.
    8Thou shalt not criticize the leading Jewish organizations and the Israeli government.
    9Thou must never criticize Jewish organizations and the Zionist leadership for abandoning the European Jewry in the Nazi era
    10Thou shalt take these commandments literally and never shew mercy to them that doubt!

    • Replies: @Rogue
  152. Alfred says:

    The bulk of the killing coming from Einzatzgruppen commissar-killing order.

    I suspect that Stalin needed perhaps one commissar per battalion – 300-600 men. He needed to recognize all his charges. One per ship. One per airbase and so on.

    This suggests that the number of commissars is far less than the figures above. The Nazis killed them because all the other prisoners were terrified of the commissars.

  153. anarchyst says:

    The “god” of judaism has always been a “god of vengeance” and by necessity, a harsh taskmaster. The jewish “god’s” “chosen people” have always been f#ckups from day one, having to be continually reminded of their aberrant behavior and must be severely punished to get them to behave.
    The jews have not only abandoned their “god” but have made their aberrant behavior a cornerstone of their “tribe”.
    One only has to look at their “talmud” to observe what they think about “the rest of us”.
    The “trick” that jews have played on “the rest of us” was the incorporation of the Old Testament into Christianity, one of the major failures of Christianity–the required separation of Christianity from judaism.
    We are paying for that mistake to this very day.

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
  154. @Wizard of Oz

    Just to be clear, you’re citing a letter that referred to a newspaper account as evidence of events alleged to have been described in the newspaper account? Fascinating.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  155. No, I am seeking a way in to the (to me) opaque minds of committed denialists of the more extreme variety by asking them to think about the implications of a German adult woman in 1944 believing what it seems the future Duke of Portland as head of intelligence declined to believe – despite what are now generally presented as honest Polish warnings believed but not much acted on by the Vatican, and not reported to Churchill. A much simpler version. Why did the WWQ veteran, Siemens executive, and minor Hanoverian aristocrat that I got to know hide Jews in his Pots dam basement so they couldn’t be deported during WW2? Why did their son-in-law,an officer grandson of
    Admiral von Turpitz, admire that?

  156. Rogue says:

    Very interesting comment.


    None of them disliked or hated Jews.

    Unquestionably, that is total bullshit.

    You want credibility? Then stop being obviously disingenuous.

    • Replies: @RightField
    , @Robjil
  157. @Rogue

    Hatred is a buzzy word now a days to be used by knuckleheads to slander. Disdain would be more accurate for the feelings toward the many jews for their pernicious activities, and in most cases even that emotion is absent. We are too busy with the plentiful cold hard facts to indulge in very much emotion.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  158. Rogue says:

    Hatred is a buzzy word now a days to be used by knuckleheads to slander

    Yes, yes, I know all that.

    You won’t find anyone more against supposed “hate” speech or legislation than myself.

    Disdain would be more accurate for the feelings toward the many jews for their pernicious activities

    I would suggest that most Holocaust debunkers have more negative emotion than merely “disdain” for the Jews.

    Look, it’s not like the Jews are my favorite people. They well and truly aren’t.

    But disingenousness, like exaggeration, is ultimately dishonest – and does more harm than good.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Sebastian Max
  159. Rogue says:

    Fair enough.

    Can’t really argue with that.

    One thing I’m fairly sure of: as a Christian I know that the Jews have collectively (though not entirely individually) rejected their true messiah.

    Therefore, I consider most of the Jewish leadership (in whatever form that takes) to be dishonest – or more bluntly, to oftentime downright lie.

    I also recognize that there is a lot of hatred for the Jews generally (let’s be honest).

    However, it’s probably best not to get too ideological about any of this stuff.

    The Holocaust – fact or fiction?

    Probably in the middle somewhere – though pretty sure not at the 50% marker.

  160. Robjil says:

    Robert Faurisson, a French investigator of the events of WWII. Here is what he has to say about the Holocaust religion. The reasoning for why he studied it is not about “hating” Jews but loving humanity to be free of the chains of a barbaric religion. We see the results of what he is taking everyday in our “free” Zion MSM. War is always in air to defend Israel’s interests.

    A quite recent religion whose growth has been meteoric

    Although it is largely an avatar of the Hebraic religion, the new religion is quite recent and has exhibited meteoric growth. For the historian, the phenomenon is exceptional. Most often a religion of universal scope has its origins in remote and obscure times, a fact that makes the task of historians of religious ideas and institutions rather arduous. However, as luck would have it for that type of historian, in the space of fifty-odd years (1945-2000), right before our eyes, a new religion, that of “the Holocaust”, has suddenly come into being and proceeded to develop with astonishing speed, spreading nearly everywhere. It has conquered the West and intends to impose itself on the rest of the world. Any researcher interested in the historical phenomenon made up by the birth, life and death of religions ought therefore to seize the occasion, never so much as hoped for, thus offered to study from up close the birth and life of this new religion, then calculate its chances of survival and the possibility of its demise. Any specialist of war watching out for indications of a coming conflagration would owe it to himself to survey the risks of a warlike crusade such as the one into which this conquering religion may take us.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  161. Robjil says:

    correction: We see the results of what he is (talking about) everyday in our “free” Zion MSM. War is always in the air to defend Israel’s interests.

    • Agree: Sebastian Max
  162. L.K says:


    That’s what we get from your posts. You clearly have not read any revisionist scholar.

    Tell me which ones you have read and the evidence they did it because they “hate” Jews.

    Also, holocaust revisionism is not dealing only with propaganda manufactured and kept alive by organized Jewry.
    All major Allied countries are involved, in fact, their propaganda machines & fraudulent trials were largely responsible for most of the now accepted narrative.

    Sadly, the current elites in the country most heavily targeted by this atrocity propaganda, Germany, are also involved in keeping this alive, for their own reasons.

    • Agree: Robjil
  163. L.K says:


    Thanks for your work!

    Much appreciated.

  164. SOS777 says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Here’s the ultimate WMD that destroys nations without any explosions or shooting- demons. Yes, spiritual entities that cause degenerate & destructive behavior in the host (AKA sin). Why do you think (((they))) are so small in number yet have bewitched the entire world? Because (((they))) have mastered the summoning of demons through the Kabbalah & Talmud. Through Hollyweird, the satanic music industry, debt slavery system promoting consumerism & the rest of (((their))) control system, they help demons invade the souls of youth throughout the world but especially the West. In worldly terms they have won, but Jesus Christ, true Son of the Most High ELOHIM, is coming back to free his loyal children from this yoke of spiritual slavery. I pray that you and your family are seeking CHRIST in these last days- no weapon formed against us can prosper under CHRIST’s blood.

    • Agree: Sebastian Max
    • Replies: @Sebastian Max
  165. Medvin is controlled oppodition. This is typical Jew strategem.

  166. Ron Unz says:

    On a slightly related matter, there’s obviously been quite a lot of discussion over the last couple of years on the Suvorov Hypothesis, namely that Hitler’s 1941 attack on the Soviet Union narrowly anticipated and forestalled a massive Soviet invasion and conquest of Europe, as I’d discussed at length in an article a couple of years ago:

    Those most interested in the topic should obviously order the Suvorov books from Amazon, or others taking the same position. But I’ve now come across a long 1985 article by Suvorov that appeared in one of Britain’s leading military affairs journals, preceding the publication of his original 1990 English-language book by a few years. So those interested in more detail than included in my article but not quite prepared to read one or more books, might find it of interest. The text was republished in a small American rightwing magazine called Liberty Bell and here’s the link to the PDF:

    • Thanks: Alfred
  167. Townhall, the formerly conservative outlet.

    Subscribing to Bolshevik agitprop has long been a RINO favorite past time.

    Blatantly participating in this hoax would be reprehensible conduct for anyone calling themselves a journalist. Luckily, Marina Medvin is not a journalist being an attorney and pundit, but still, the basic idea of upholding your reputation in general, and particularly with regards to punditry and lawyering, must rely on consistency, accuracy, or both.

    It is forgivable to be wrong through the commission of an honest error or oversight, but not consistently, and it is okay to be consistent as long as you are not wrong all of the time. However, it is unforgivable to spread propaganda or rely on uncorroborated anecdotal evidence and pass it off as a historical fact. You would think an attorney, who is trained in the pursuit of truth and fact, would be more credulous. Thus leaving the disturbing possibility that this was no honest error but rather an intentional attempt to sow disinformation to enforce a specific narrative.

    Even people who are rarely proven right still manage to hold onto jobs as commentators (I call this the Lemon Law), because their employers are ideologically driven to promote a consistent left-wing agenda and narrative, and people who soldier on despite being chronically mistaken are viewed as defenders of the faith rather than merely incompetent.

    That also seems unlikely to be the case here given the prior editorial leanings of Townhall – unless Townhall is a sort of “controlled opposition” organization or Deep State honeypot (also a disturbing possibility).

    It *used* to be, once upon a time, that guest contributors were invited in by editors to pen opinions, despite ideological adversity and standards not rising to the level of the byline, out of the desire to have a little “diversity of thought” in the opinion pages and thus give credence to the idea of being “fair and balanced”, “moderate”, or “tolerant”. Such opportunities are usually dictated by the current appetite of the publisher for public approval or political influence.

    With the publication of this sensationalist piece, however, it is hard to imagine what itch Townhall was looking to scratch. Cozying up to AIPAC is hardly a winning strategy for anyone, let alone people who aspire to hold or defend a conservative position in the US, given the fact that 90% of American Jews just voted to elect a racist, identitarian crook with dementia.

  168. @Rogue

    But employing this emotive lexicon and labelling all sorts of things as “hatred” or “hateful” is in itself disgingenous.

    If you have a real dictionary, look up “hate”. You will learn that it merely means “to feel an intense aversion to”. So what’s the big deal? It is a word that the commies have imbued with a special sort of pejorative power which is completely out of context for what it actually means.

    What other emotions have been demonized to the extent that “hate” has?


    And what does that tell us? That it’s been concocted to produce psychological effects. It is a prime example of the psychological warfare campaign of global communism. This is something we have been warned against for many decades, for example by George Orwell’s books, that the hijacking of the language was a pre-requisite to brainwashing. And we see it in the abuse and excitation around common innocuous terms like “hate”.

    Hate essentially means “do not like”. In fact the #2 meaning is “to dislike exceedingly”.

    That’s all. “I hate thieves”. ” I hate broccoli”. All fine, right?

    So why the hate towards “hate”?

    It has gotten to the point where objecting to invaders (illegal aliens) is deemed “hateful”, or noticing that some are rapists or murderers. These are just facts, what the inestimable Steve Sailer has deemed “hate facts”.

    In fact, any criticism of any “protected class” (arbitrary constructions of “identity”) is now categorized as “hateful” or “hatred”. This is insane – but this is what the Left has done. All “social media” platforms now rely on this entirely false definition of “hate”. And they have revealed it very clearly by explaining the definition “speech that attacks others on the basis of [arbitrary characteristics” or “religious belief, national origin, immigration status”

    So by meshing things that are innate (possibly) characteristics with things that are not and are under the voluntarily control of the target themselves because they involve belief and behavior, they conflate being an illegal alien invader with say, biological sex.

  169. @SOS777

    Of particular interest, and something that deserves to be subjected to investigation and confirmation is the claim that the “Six millions” is required for the fulfilment of Talmudic prophecy.

    Also it has been corroborated that the entire estimated population of Jews in Europe prior to the war was about six million. So a death figure of six million would imply the eradication of all Jews in Europe, which of course leaves no “survivors”. Furthermore, Germany did not manage to round up all Jews in Europe but rather only in Germany and in the countries that it occupied extensively (mostly Poland, Austria, and Hungary)

    The contemporaneous population estimates and lack of conclusive primary evidence backing up the claim of six million dead Jews combine to reveal the number as simple wish-fulfilment rather than any serious attempt to tally up actual dead.

  170. @anarchyst

    The Old Testament is part of Christianity because Jesus was a Jew and the leader of a Jewish sect.

    Jesus is also a prophet in Islam. All religions are invented by men and all men copy other men. They do that because they’re not so stupid that they want to reinvent everything. [email protected]

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  171. anarchyst says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    I see your point but must respectfully disagree with you that the Old Testament should be a part of Christianity.
    The Old Testament should be used in a historical and educational way to show that the “god” of judaism and the “God” of Christianity are either two different beings or are the same being, having to deal with jews much differently than Christians.
    I stand by my assertion that jews were always flouting their “god-given laws”, always getting into trouble by parsing and micro-interpreting the laws, seeing how far they could go before the “wrath of (their) god” came down upon them.
    My personal belief is that the Creator is benevolent and “stays out of the way” of us fragile humans, allowing us to learn from our own mistakes and foibles, requiring us to solve our own problems.
    We (us gentiles) will have to deal with the “jewish problem” in our own way…country 110 expulsion or at least recognition that there is a “jewish problem” that needs to be dealt with.
    As to Jesus Christ, he was of the Essene sect, a minor jewish sect, looked upon with derision by the Pharisees and Sanhedrin as this sect espoused many Christian-like principles, not the hard-headed heavy behavior of the Pharisees.


  172. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    i stumbled upon the excellent CODOH channel at BitChute:

  173. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How do you denialists deal with that kind of evidence? Whether 2 million or 4 million or more Jews were murdered deliberately by Germans and collaborators isn’t the point.

    why should anyone care?

    i dont hear jews apologizing for the millions of russians they murdered in the early Soviet Union

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  174. @anon

    Wouldn’t you care if you learned that your countrymen, in the land of Schiller, Goethe, Beethoven, Mozart,Bach, Schliemann, Bach, Gauss etc. etc. could be drilled to behave (and believe) as most did under the Nazis? It was surely a lot more shocking than the frontiersman’s “the only good Injun’s a dead Injun”.

  175. @Rufus Clyde

    See the immediate answer which failed to get labelled as a Reply to you.

  176. @a_german

    Your last sentence is intriguing. It seems to contradict what you appear to be saying above. Which parts of the Endlösung stories do you accept, and which do you doubt or deny – with reasons please?

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