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The FBI abduction of Marzieh Hashemi is another milestone in the US turn to fascism. Marzieh Hashemi is a well-recognized and highly respected journalist and TV anchorwoman for Press TV, which is affiliated with the Islamic Republic of Iran. She was abducted on January 15th as she was boarding a flight to Denver from St. Louis.

Marzieh was whisked to an unknown location in the vicinity of Washington, DC. The Washington DC area was probably chosen, as Northern Virginia is the site of what is referred to as the “CIA court”, in which so-called national security cases are heard, because the government can be assured of government-friendly juries. In such cases, juries side with the government 99.9% of the time.

Marzieh is being held incommunicado, as this is being written, and she has not been heard from publicly. Nor does her family and friends know her exact location of imprisonment. It took nearly a week before the US government even acknowledged Marzieh’s arrest.

All the US government finally said was that Marzieh is being held as a “material witness” to an unspecified crime. Though not charged with any crime, Marzieh is being treated worse than a criminal. Her human, civil and religious rights have been violated. Reportedly all she has been able to eat is crackers, because the government is not respecting her religious dietary requirements.

According to reports from Press TV, Marzieh has been very mistreated to the point of torture. Her hijab was forcibly removed, she has been denied halal food, kept in a cold solitary dungeon without adequate clothing, and her hands and legs are shackled during brief period in an enclosed exercise yard.

Marzieh is also a US citizen, which should not make a difference. The United Nations Declaration on Human Rights, as well as the US Constitution, recognizes the inalienable rights of all human beings in the world, especially journalists. Among those rights are freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.

Until the War on Terror, it has been highly unusual for the US government to arrest someone as a material witness. Normally a “witness” is simply issued a subpoena to appear in court and testify on a specific date. Even in the even that witnesses cannot appear before a grand jury, they can be deposed under oath and the deposition entered into evidence. If the authorities fear that the witness might leave the country, then they can simply ask her to surrender her passport.

There is no question from those that know Marzieh that she would have cooperated with a subpoena, without the use of physical force and imprisonment. That is not to say that she is not a strong person and a fighter for truth and justice. She will now fight for her civil rights from behind prison walls.

After the attacks of September 11, 2001, arrest as a “material witnesses” has been used to incarcerate so-called “enemy combatants” to indefinite detention. Such detention is indefinite because a grand jury or trial may be way in the future, or never even take place. Whereas, someone who is actually charged with a crime is entitled to a writ of habeas corpus informing them of the alleged crime. Someone charged with a crime is entitled to an attorney, and an opportunity to be freed on bail until there is a speedy trial.

The legality of arresting someone as a material witness and holding them indefinitely is an abuse of the law. Apparently, the Supreme Court has heard several cases but never ruled on it directly. However, such as in the case of Ashcroft v. al-Kidd, the material witness statute has not been ruled as unconstitutional.

In the past the arrest as a material witness has rarely been used against a US citizen. According to 18 U.S. Code § 3144 – Release or detention of a material witness, it appears that arresting Marzieh Hashemi, abusing her, disrespecting her freedom of religion, and keeping her incognito is to make a mockery of the law. The War on Terror has been used to make a mockery of international and domestic law.

The War on Terror is what has lowered the US in torturing people, conduct non-judicial assassinations of US citizens, engage in domestic spying, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention, ignore the Geneva Conventions, and illegally start wars of aggression. The US has become the number one state sponsor of terrorism. What the US does abroad sooner or later it does at home to its own citizens.

It is not jumping to a conclusion to speculate that the US is preparing to move against Press TV, as it has against RT, the Russian sponsored news outlet. RT has been required to register in the US as a foreign agent, which is extremely unusual. As a so-called foreign agent, RT has lost many of its abilities to gather the news and present it to the public. The immediate concern for Marzieh Hashemi is the potential that she might be charged with being an agent of a foreign government. If tried and convicted under the oppressive 1917 Espionage Act and 1918 Sedition Act it could result in a lengthy prison sentence.

The 1917 Espionage Act and the 1918 Sedition Act are two archaic laws that have no place in a free country. The laws are zombies from World War One. They were resuscitated as part of the War on Terror by Bush and Obama, after nearly a century of being dormant.

Apparently, the US government is preparing to ask a grand jury to rule that Press TV is a propaganda outlet. It is not as if the US government does not have its own propaganda outlets. The half-dozen or so mainstream media outlets, such as ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and the print media are owned by monopolies that are virtual US government media propaganda organs. The US media are little more than repeaters of the US government propaganda narratives.

The proof of how much the US mainstream media kowtows to the government is that they are not coming to the defense of Marzieh Hashemi and freedom of the press. There was a time when they would have. And where is the ACLU? While the US news media and civil rights organizations are quiet, the rest of the world is not. At a time when the online alternative media is also under attack, they are defending freedom of the press for the people.

Every day the US becomes more fascistic, and every day the Bill of Rights is being eroded. No longer can any US citizen feel safe in freely expressing their opinion verbally, in the media or in writing. The US government has been on a binge of abusing its power. Following 9/11 Bush rushed the Patriot Act through an eager Congress. Among other provisions, the Patriot Act authorizes indefinite detention, search and seizure, domestic spying and wiretapping without a warrant. When the act was due to expire in 2011, Obama extended it.

For a while after 9/11 the US mainstream media was outraged with the US government’s illegal excesses. It was sensational news in 2013 when Edward Snowden disclosed the extremes to which the National Security Agency had gone in its illegal domestic spying.

The Patriot Act had given the government the proverbial inch and they had taken a mile, so to speak. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, alongside FBI Director Robert Mueller, was caught lying to Congress about US illegal spying. Unlike for most citizens if they are caught lying to Congress, Clapper was not prosecuted. Incredibly he even kept his government job and his security clearance.

In 2015 when the Patriot Act was about to expired, and after Edward Snowden had revealed the magnitude of illegal US spying, then the USA Freedom Act was passed, amending and extending the Patriot Act through 2019. The US government and the media pretended that the USA Freedom Act had resolved the conflict between government spying and the Constitutional protections of the Bill of Rights. It did not, but one would never know it from the exuberant mainstream media and the Democratic and Republican members of Congress.

Rand Paul was accused of “having blood on his hands” for trying to filibuster the USA Freedom Act. A laughing Mitch McConnell, who had helped cut off Paul’s filibuster said, “I’m not concerned about my privacy, I’m concerned about my security.”

Unbeknownst to most of the public, the US has been in a declared state of emergency since September 11, 2001. The state of emergency was declared by George W. Bush with Proclamation 7463, and it has been renewed annually by Bush, Obama and Trump. In addition, Bush secretly put into effect Continuity of Government (COG). In effect, the US is under martial law, has been since 9/11, and the US Constitution is in state of suspended animation.

The mainstream media has been mum. The public is now pacified. Many citizens even enthusiastically support their civil rights being taken from them, just as Mitch McConnell has.

After the attacks of 9/11, it became a cliché for people to say about government surveillance, “if you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about”. Once the ridiculousness of that attitude became thoroughly mocked and a meme, then people stopped saying it, but they did not stop acting as if they did not believe it.

With a mum mainstream media and a pacified public, it was predictable that the US government would become more authoritarian, intolerant, and abusive of civil liberties. Many US Americans gladly gave up their civil rights for the illusion that the government would keep them safe from terrorists. They never thought about who would keep them safe from their government.

Western governments, particularly in the English-speaking countries, have cowed freedom of the press. According to a ranking of press freedom, “based on an evaluation of pluralism, independence of the media, quality of legislative framework and safety of journalists” by Reporters Without Borders, the five eyes countries are ranked as follows for press freedom: New Zealand (8), Canada (18), Australia (19), United Kingdom (40), United States (45). These rankings are a disgrace to countries that claim to be democratic, free and exceptional.

With the demise of a free and independent mainstream media in the US, many people turned to the internet for its wide range and variety of news and opinion. The public was also able to easily and inexpensively start up their own media outlets. The internet was democracy at work. It was the free marketplace of ideas. The US government, the monopoly corporate mainstream media, and fascists oppose such freedoms of speech, press and ideas. The government became frightened that they were losing their authoritarian grip on the population.

The war against freedom of the press, which has been simmering for years, was launched on a massive scale of censorship with the publication in the Washington Post of the article, “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say”. This was one of the worst pieces of yellow journalism in recent history. The so-called “expert” quoted is an anonymous organization called PropOrNot, otherwise known as “Your Friendly Neighborhood Propaganda Identification Service, Since 2016!”. One can easily see the government’s (e.g. CIA) fingerprints all over PropOrNot. PropOrNot is an effort to discredit online publications, many of them more legitimate than the mainstream media. Listing over 200 online publication as linked to “Russian propaganda” is a regression to the bad old days of McCarthyism-era blacklisting.

While PropOrNot is a flop in the war against journalism, it was not the last battle of the war. Tech companies such as Google, Facebook, and Twitter had their arms twisted, willingly or not, to steer web searches away from independent websites, and to self-censor their own web site. State governments are being encouraged to put “fact checking” (i.e. censorship) applications on school and library computers. Many legitimate websites are being blocked and infected with viruses, and one has good reasons to suspect it is by the government.

The war on journalism has also focused on some foreign government-sponsored news services that the US is hostile towards. RT, formerly Russia Today, has had the unusual requirement of registering with the US government as a foreign agent. Venezuela’s Telesur is under attack. Other state sponsored outlets such as British Broadcasting Corporation, France 24, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and Israel Broadcasting Authority remain unmolested. And of course, what is Voice of America if not a propaganda outlet?

With the arrest of Marzieh Hashemi it is obvious that Press TV is in the sights of the US war on journalism. Marzieh is a US citizen as well as an Iranian citizen. Her abduction by the FBI has put everyone on notice that they speak and write at their own risk. It is not absurd to imagine that the day will come when people have to hide their computers, and huddle around them in the attic when going to verboten websites.

Criticizing the government, opposing US wars of aggression, protesting for civil rights and Black Lives Matter, and confronting injustice and the abuse of power may result in one being imprisoned without charge, held incognito, and indefinite detention.

(Republished from The Greanville Post by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Someday, in the not too distant future, Americans may have to hide their unauthorized computers in the attack, huddle around them in the cold and dark in order to get news from the outside world…..just like the caricature of Soviet Russians in the mid-20th century listening to Radio Free Europe!

    People with fiddle with their keyboards, trying to catch a signal from the free world. The screen will be fuzzy with static as the government tries to jam the the internet. Their hunger for truth will outweigh their fear of a knock on the door in the middle of the night.

    The underground will have dead drops where they pass notes on websites that have evaded being shut down. As one website is taken down, another will pop up. It will be a deadly game of cat and mouse, with you being the mouse.

    Some mice will disappear never to be heard from again, but new mice will take their place. Eventually the mice will either win, or they will all be gone. Where? Nobody knows.

    Sound far fetched?

    Think again!

  2. @David William Pear

    opps…..attic. Well, may they will have to hide their computers in the attack too!

  3. It won’t do any good to hide in the attic. They can spy on you anywhere you go.

  4. This is a very good overview. But it’s worth mentioning that the open-source information at the Continuity of Government link is only the tip of the iceberg. Most of the COG and COOP planning is SCI or SAP. For instance, the government is going to be much more dispersed than that comical ‘NUKE HERE’ list of emergency sites suggests. Early in the mobilization for any potentially general war, the government will fan out, not to the woods, but to the cities. There they will hide behind you, chanting ‘Nyah-nyah-nyah, nuke me, I dare you!’ to the SCO or whoever. When Saddam or somebody does this, we call it using human shields. When CIA does it, they call it confounding counterforce with countervalue. Using us as human shields is meant to make nuclear war less surgical and more drastic.

    A COG state of emergency is illegal unless the US follows the procedures of ICCPR Article 4 and the Siracusa Principles. Sadly, your government couldn’t care less about the supreme law of the land. COG and COOP contain lots of provisions illegally setting your rights aside. You will be detained or disappeared at the drop of a hat, even more than now.

    At DEFCON 3 your constitution’s gone. For good. So stop pretending you live in a democracy.

  5. AWM says:

    The US press doesn’t pass go and collect $200, hasn’t anyone noticed that Mad Magazine and the National Enquirer had more credibility than current media could ever hope for.

    More truth in
    “Madonna had Hitler’s baby” or maybe it was Himmler’s
    or
    “Doolittle raider B25 found in crater on moon”
    than anything we read in todays news.

    “You’ll never know who won.”
    “Who will?”

  6. wayfarer says:

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll.
    I am the master of my fate,
    I am the captain of my soul.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invictus

    Why Free Speech Is Dead In Western Europe

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  7. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    America is no longer a Christian nation, we are now a Jew nation, with all that it entails: dishonesty, high corruption, fascism, deep state, lies and propaganda through msm and academia, internet leftist lynch mobs, censorship, Zionist banking cabal, Ziocons, Jew-Negro-Homo worship, coarsening pop culture, debauchery, moral degeneracy, open borders, identity politics, victim mentality, diversity industrial complex, blame everyone but yourself, bellicosity, an eye for an eye to all eternity, money and power hungry, leftist hypocrisy.

    Ms. Hashemi is just shit out of luck being an Iranian in a Jew country. There will be no mercy or democracy for her.

    Too bad Hitler didn’t win the war. I’d rather live in a German run country than a Jew run country.

  8. Freedom of the press sounds like a noble principle, but practically it hasn’t worked, because the mean reading-comprehension of an American adult is at the 7th-grade level. Most of our population only responds to sensationalism that the press presently offers. Only 8% of the population can form proper inferences from written material. So, even if press freedoms benefited that 8%, their votes are washed out by the 92%.

  9. Melanie Franklin has been released, after giving her Grand Jury testimony. Obviously she was detained to ensure that, there is no story here.

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  10. recognizes the inalienable rights of all human beings in the world, especially journalists

    kek

  11. Ragnar says:

    A filthy muslim AND part of the lugenpresse. They all deserve this.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  12. Hail says: • Website


    This is an Iranian?

    She is Black. They sure don’t make Iranians like they used to.

  13. fnn says:

    Mark Dankof on Tulsi Gabbard, political realignment, and the Hashemi arrest

  14. Heros says:

    Why would David Pear use a non-American Iranian Mulatto as his poster girl for FBI abuse? Doesn’t he know how much we despise deep state Valerie Jarret, who this head-scarved woman reminds us of?

    How about a real American, like Levoy Finnicum. He was assassinated in an FBI ambush and it is all on tape. There is testimony in court too. Or how the BLM and the FBI marched into the Bundy Ranch and tried to start a shoot out. These are real AMERICAN heros, not blanket covered muslim cows.

    It does not help these mind controlled People of Color when the white people who built the country are constantly reminded of how PoC helped ruin what the whites built. But jews cannot resist rubbing goyim noses in their talmudic shit anyway. Jews use blacks a bullets against whites.

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @Heros
  15. @AWM

    National Enquirer: “Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot.”

    A personal favorite!

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  16. The War on Terror is what has lowered the US in torturing people, conduct non-judicial assassinations of US citizens, engage in domestic spying, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention, ignore the Geneva Conventions, and illegally start wars of aggression.

    Ah, yes! That good ole fake ‘war on terra’, launched by a false-flag on Sep. 11, 2001. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

    After the attacks of 9/11, it became a cliché for people to say about government surveillance, “if you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about”.

    In a sane world, that might be true. But in our world, they can arbitrarily and retroactively change the definition of ‘wrong’ at any moment. Beware …

  17. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Society is, always has been and always will be a structure for the exploitation and oppression of the majority through systems of political force dictated by an élite, enforced by thugs, uniformed or not, and upheld by a wilful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the very majority whom the system oppresses.” Richard K. Morgan

    “Fundamentally, the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars. The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. . . . Outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back on my life, I regret. But I was part of it and loved being in it’…” James Jesus Angleton, head of Agency counterintelligence from 1954-1975

    “Why should any self-respecting citizen endorse an institution grounded on thievery? For that is what one does when one votes. If it be argued that we must let bygones be bygones, see what can be done toward cleaning up the institution of the State so that it might be useful in the maintenance of orderly existence, the answer is that it cannot be done; you cannot clean up a brothel and yet leave the business intact. We have been voting for one “good government” after another, and what have we got?” Frank Chodorov, Out of Step (1962)

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Biff
  18. Biff says:
    @onebornfree

    JFYI, whenever someone’s talent is limited to cutting and pasting other people’s words, they tend to be ignored completely, and subsequent posts are never read.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Capn Mike
  19. @Hail

    She’s American. She simply went over to the other side, like Lord Haw Haw or the Rosenbergs.

  20. @anon

    “Too bad Hitler didn’t win the war. I’d rather live in a German run country than a Jew run country.”

    I second that opinion. To become sadly acquainted with life under the Jewish police state see: Russia 1917-1989. Ukraine 1932. Poland 1945-1989. Germany 1945-. Palestine 1948-.

    • Replies: @Sic Semper
    , @onebornfree
  21. David says:

    I thought this was true and a quick search yields this from the Quran: “[God] only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.” 2:173

    So whether that list of prohibited items is complete or not, the book makes it pretty clear that a prisoner is able to eat what’s available without sin. So all the sob stuff about crackers is crap. When articles include crap as supporting evidence, it weakens the case.

    But either way, I don’t really care about this woman. She shouldn’t be here.

    You know the Arab dame in Texas who lost her job as a speech pathologist because she wouldn’t swear an oath to Israel? She had a job in the first place because she is the only speech pathologist in Texas who can work with Arabic speaking children. So her effing job was to help foreign kids speak their foreign language correctly in Texas public schools.

    America for Americans!

  22. snoopyiv says:

    here are some links which might be relevant to the great DWP article here.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/01/23/586621/Iran-Press-TV-anchor-Marzieh-Hashemi-freed-US-jail-
    <Iran news anchor on presstv.com has been released from detention after 10 days.
    https://www.rt.com/news/449555-pompeo-us-diplomats-venezuela/
    <=US refuses to withdraw its diplomats from Venezuela after Madurao breaks diplomatic ties with the USA
    https://www.rt.com/news/449585-international-reaction-venezuela-coup/
    Venezuela: Turkey, Russia and China stand against Washington, and its Latin America Allies.
    https://www.rt.com/news/449585-international-reaction-venezuela-coup/
    Trumps coronation of Guaido, who lost the election in Venezuela, over Maduro, who was reelected
    as Venezuelan president – What?

    From DWP
    Criticizing the government, opposing US wars of aggression, protesting for civil rights and Black Lives Matter, and confronting injustice and the abuse of power may result in one being imprisoned without charge, held incognito, and indefinite detention.

    Governments are armed structures designed by those who are fearful of the people and the people's demands in the societies the designers want to control usually for a non public purpose. Once the design is complete, the politicians, wealthy insiders , military and criminals work together to construct and arm the structure. The design of the armed structure invariably provides the designers with information feed back so the designer can amend or redesign or improve for their design to mold the government to better suit the purpose of the Designers, and to enable designers to instruct those who are to serve the purposes of designers as politicians. Politicians are responsible to engage, use and direct the armed structure ( government), to bring about and to accomplish the intentions of the designers.

    The constitution of the USA separates Americans into two groups. Using today's numbers Politicians:The first group consist of 527 persons. These persons are the politicians.
    The designers gave all power to govern, to abuse, to reward, to use the resources, to make decisions,
    to spend money, to the politicians, no powers, not even voting powers were given to the governed.

    [MORE]

    Governed. The second group consist of 350,000,000 Americans, they are the governed.
    The governed were not given any power.. It took amendments to the constitution to allow the
    governed to conduct elections designed to determine which candidates were most popular,
    but the popular election do not determine which 527 persons will be salaried politicians
    Electoral College does the voting.

    All power to govern and all power to operate, use and abuse the governed were given to the Politicians.
    Abuse of the governed by politicians was supposed to be protected by the bill of rights (1st 10 amendments)
    which had to be added to the constitution post ratification in order for it to be ratified.

    No where is mentioned the designers, unless the clause We the People means the designers.

    Humanity has been at odds with those who govern over the right of self determination (life, liberty and pursuit of happiness) since history began. Ironically, each increment in technical progress has been a move toward
    the universal right of humanity to exercise self determination. Really there is no reason to separate humanity by a multitude of nation states, or to divide the world according to territory, and there is little reason for big time government unless government is going to be used to accomplish a non public or unjust act. What is needed is justice and honest courts to tend to that important need.

    Two recent progress events: Internet and Production of Power from Sun Light, Wind, with Hydo Storage..

    The Declaration of Independence (1776)( USA CONSTITUTION [1789] does not contain the items the advocates to separating Britain from America listed as justification in 1776 as sufficient to make separation happen. It is quite interesting to compare the government of yesterday to the government of today.

    “the History of Great Britain is a History of repeated injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these states. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

    He [the King’s government] has refused his assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good

    He [the King’s government] has forbidden his governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Important, unless suspended in their operation till is Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He [the King’s government] has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.

    He[the King’s government] has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

    He [the King’s government] has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on their rights as People.

    He [the King’s government] has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise, the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasions from without, and Convulsions within.

    He [the King’s government] has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalisation of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    He [the King’s government] has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

    He [the King’s government] has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

    He [the King’s government] has erected a multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

    He [the King’s government] has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the Consent of our Legislatures.

    He [the King’s government] has affected to render the Military Independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

    He [the King’s government] has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged to our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishfor any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For Cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
    For imposing Taxes on us without out Consent:
    For depriving us, in many Cases, of the benefits of Trial by jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offenses:
    For Abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboruring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absoulte Rule into these Colonies;
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and alterning fundamentally the Forms of our governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested withPower to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

    He [the King’s government] has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    He [the King’s government] has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

    He [the King’s government] is, at this Time, Transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to complete the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarecely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized Nation.

    He [the King’s government] has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the High Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

    He [the King’s government] has excited domestic Insurrections among us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.

    In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms our arepeated petitions have been only only be repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

    Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  23. @anon

    “Too bad Hitler didn’t win the war. I’d rather live in a German run country than a Jew run country.”

    Funny how Gen. George Patton said basically the same thing before he was murdered by the Jewish infiltrated American and Russian governments at the end of WWII.

    “His duties as military governor took Patton to all parts of Germany and intimately acquainted him with the German people and their condition. He could not help but compare them with the French, the Italians, the Belgians, and even the British. This comparison gradually forced him to the conclusion that World War II had been fought against the wrong people.

    After a visit to ruined Berlin, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: “Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be communist. It’s said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/patton.html

  24. Does her religion allows to drink milk?

  25. US Constitution, recognizes the inalienable rights of all human beings in the world, especially journalists.

    No, no it doesn’t. “journalists” are not mentioned anyplace in the US Constitution (I don’t give a flying %^#* what the UN says or has passed.)

    The press mentioned in the Bill of Rights is the means to produce and distribute ideas, it is not a job title. All citizens have “Freedom of the Press”.

    Marzieh is a US citizen as well as an Iranian citizen.

    Pick one. Dual citizenship is a travesty against all nations. I don’t care if the other citizenship is in Iran, Israel, Ireland or Iceland.

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  26. @David

    Let me guess, you have no objection to the “Kosher”-nostra which has the American food industry by the balls.
    http://www.deism.com/kosher.htm

    Check every food product in your house and tell me how many have a “Kosher” symbol on them. Even the beer you drink is “Kosher”.
    https://www.subvertednation.net/kosher-tax/

    • Replies: @David
  27. “Reportedly all she has been able to eat is crackers, because the government is not respecting her religious dietary requirements.

    “According to reports from Press TV, Marzieh has been very mistreated to the point of torture. Her hijab was forcibly removed, she has been denied halal food, kept in a cold solitary dungeon without adequate clothing, and her hands and legs are shackled during brief period in an enclosed exercise yard.”

    I hear she’s not even getting crackers, she’s forced to subsist on prison rats and her own urine. And after they ripped off her hajib I hear they shaved her head and made her dance to “Yankee Doodle Dandy” while holding a sparkler in each hand. I mean, if you can’t trust the propaganda outfit she was working for, who can you trust?

    I have a hard time taking a Fake News article about Fake News seriously.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  28. The war on terror is one of the biggest lies that have ever been perpetrated on the American people and it was cloaked in the 911 attack by Israel and the Zionists who control every facet of the U.S. government and the Zionist controlled deep state and every thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 and that the real terrorists are the Zionists!

    The fake war on terror is a draconian demonic war on the people of the world by the Zionists for the Zionist NWO that will make Orwells 1984 look like a walk in the park. All the false flags that have been pulled off in the U.S. have been done by the Zionist controlled deep state to keep Americans in a state of terror when the terrorist are the deep state!

    Israel attacked the USS LIBERTY for 2 hours and killed 34 and wounded 174 Americans and the zionists got away with this also and the gutless compromized congress would be better know as the knesset as Israel not only got away with the attack on the LIBERTY but also got away with the attack on the WTC on 911 and every thinking American knows that Israel and the deep state did 911!

    Zionism is satanism!

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  29. @Anonymous91

    You needn’t go to other nations last century to understand the horrors the kosher menace inflict on their mortal enemies.

    Look to Jew York, Jew Jersey and all of the enclaves they establish outside of American laws where they impose their Talmudic terrorism on the peoples on the lands they want cleared. There are kosher no-go zones in these places where “shomrin” patrols will beat and blind even the most protected of classes like Black Homosexuals with impunity.

    We hear about islamic rape colonies in England, but never of the kosher victims in NY. We hear of “White Privilege” where the majority population of Western European Christians is constantly singled out for attack, alienation and subversion as calls to “diversify” the workplace, the government etc are screeched. A Western European is legally discriminated against at every turn, slogans such as “Too White” are belched. However the representation numerically of an absolute statistical minority in government, education, finance and media would lead one to think that we are in Israel, not America. No calls to end kosher privilege. Instead such privilege is codified and any discussion of it is outlawed with defacto punishments handed out to dissidents refusing to honor their kosher punishers.

    We are near the end of our Republic. What comes now will be a repetition of history. The same characters, the same methodology, the same “religious” justification and the same ancient bloodlust that has destroyed nations for 5000+ years as documented in their own bible as a celebration.

    We are at a point of bifurcation – one leads us to another Holodomor, the other another Reich.

  30. onebornfree says: • Website
    @David

    Translation: “murka fo murkans!” 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  31. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Anonymous91

    Slave Anonymous91 says:“Too bad Hitler didn’t win the war. I’d rather live in a German run country than a Jew run country.”I second that opinion.”

    Translation: “I’d rather be a slave to Hitler than a slave to Israel”

    Yeah, well, “once a slave, always a slave” I guess 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree

  32. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Biff

    Slave Biff says: “JFYI, whenever someone’s talent is limited to cutting and pasting other people’s words, they tend to be ignored completely, and subsequent posts are never read.”

    Well “JFYI”, there’s a button choice on this site that apparently allows you [or anyone else] to quickly and conveniently ignore all of my posts here. How about that?

    The convenience! Kripes, its simply mind-boggling!

    I suggest you and your buddies make full use of that wonderful little choice button with regard to my posts.

    Have a nice life.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  33. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @forgottenpseudonym

    [She’s American. She simply went over to the other side, like Lord Haw Haw or the Rosenbergs.]

    You shut up liar. She is American, but she married to an Iranian. You Jewish mafia traitor, Trump, not only has sold himself to the zionist baby killer, but his illiterate daughter who is an ‘advisor’ to an illiterate Jewish Mafia so her jewish zionist mass murderer and thieve, Kushner, an illiterate advisor who has grabbed most of the real estate in Jewish state, New York, and New Jersey, but forcing Arab traitors, MBS and Qatar, to pay for his half billions debt, by using Jewish influence on WH, Senate and zionist occupied territory ‘Congress’, but you don’t use the name of the REAL TRAITORS, rather use ‘Rosenberg’.
    The daughter of Your illiterate albino ‘president’ abandoned her region and country for Zionist balls using her given position to transfer more stolen land to this criminal tribe and you take ALL IN and SHUT UP.

    Now the criminal Jewish mafia family is trying to overthrow the governments of Venezuela, Sudan and more, for zionist dicks and you take it in.
    The zionist baby killers are after Sudan, to partition more of their territories, for example Darfur, and control of the RED SEA, using Jewish war criminals like BERNARD HENRI LEVY, and you take it ALL in and bring the name of ‘Rosenberg’ not the REAL TRAITOR AND ILLITERATE ADVISORS, the Trump Jewish mafia family. You should kill their behinds.

    • Agree: Sowhat, DESERT FOX
  34. Sowhat says:
    @1 Tsar Bomba for DC

    I agree with you, 1 Tsar Bomba for DC

  35. Che Guava says:

    Hijab removal for the photos? It is simply normal procedure … but did she commit any crime? That is a real question

    However, the complaints abt. a not necessarily Halal diet are BS, since that involves a tax and control over everyone else.

    From my reading, a kosher tax is also extracted in many places, with a small cert. mark, outside Israel.

    So, from an outside view, Jews and Moslems are in competition for taxing other people.

    The real point is that is an anti-Iran move, and that is both stupid and bad.

    Very likely, Zionist-inspired.

    One should not allow dictation by Moslems abt. places they are attempting to invade, one also should be very wary and sceptical of the Zionists, who have ideals of hate towards anyone else on the planet, although it is mainly people of European descent now, the hate will move to places in east Asia in the future, it has been in Japan for over a century (starting with exploiting metal currency value differentials with those in Europe and the U.S.A., and coin-clipping), has some power over the highest of the internal ruling classes, which I am only very partially understanding.

    In Sth. Korea, because of U.S. dispensationalist influence, and the near-majority Prostetant/evangelical population, there are (or were) some places where any Jewish person may stay for free.

    The last major part of the Zionist pivot to Asia is marriage to Phillipina women.

    Once they have ruined all of their former host societies (which, in many cases, now seems inevitable), I would expect them to make a pivot to drive wedges into east Asia. Of course, they also have bases in India, but that isn’t much of a catch.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anon
  36. Sowhat says:
    @onebornfree

    Bob Dylan: “You’ve gotta serve Somebody.” I love how individuals disparage others for being “slaves” when we all are. idiocy

  37. Rurik says:
    @David William Pear

    huddle around them in the cold and dark in order to get news from the outside world…..just like the caricature of Soviet Russians in the mid-20th century listening to Radio Free Europe!

    People with fiddle with their keyboards, trying to catch a signal from the free world. The screen will be fuzzy with static as the government tries to jam the the internet

    good article, and most ominous when you consider who perpetrated 9/11 in the first place.

    But I have to say, reading the quote above, that is *exactly* what happened during hurricane Irma a few years back.

    As Irma was approaching Florida, they pulled out all the stops in their orgy of frenzied ‘YOU’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!’ hysterical hype. They deliberately created a massive terrified panic, and mass evacuations.

    And then as Irma was about to land on Florida’s coast, it all went black. There was virtually zero access to Doppler radar info or satellite info or anything else. All anyone could do was watch the scumbags on the Weather Channel and other professional liars continue to shit in our faces with their ubiquitous lies.

    So the point is when the people are most desperate for information over the Internet, that is exactly the moment when the PTB will shut it down. Not getting ‘fuzzy with static as the government tries to jam the Internet’, but a complete blackout of all real-time information.

    And they did that only because they wanted to avoid the embarrassment for all their psychotic lies about how the ‘deadly threat’, was going to ‘kill your family!’

    So if they’re willing to blackout the Internet for something as banal as a hurricane, then just imagine what they’d do for their next 9/11.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @David William Pear
  38. Tyrion 2 says:

    This is desperately overheated. A lady being held for a short time as a material witness is not tyranny. Some probable nonsense about her dietary requirements notwithstanding.

    It also riddled with errors. For example, it’s attempt at initiating a Pavlovian response through muh “Geneva Convention” is insulting. The Geneva Convention (all 4, actually) is for warfare. The US holding this lady has nothing to do with it.

    There’s other annoying parts. Like the pearl clutching over the obvious propaganda outlet of a country that regular endorses the message of “death to America” being called a “propaganda outlet”. Shocking!

    As for the lady being a freedom fighter. She’s a disloyal hack propagandist. Naturally, she still deserves justice, and that’s why she’ll be released once she has done her civic duty, but pretending that she is some sort of journalistic heroine is absurd.

    Finally, you end up admitting what this is really about. It is about strangling anglophone countries with the highest possible standards as adjudicated by SJW outlets. All Anglophone countries are in the top 25% for press freedom according to Reporters without Borders, an organisation so hopelessly third worldist that it pretends that South Africa has more press freedom than the US. Ridiculous.

    • Agree: Wally
  39. Capn Mike says:
    @Biff

    Au contraire, mon amie. I just read those quotes out loud to my girlfriend. Thanks, Onebornfree.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  40. @David William Pear

    The Government jams it’s own propaganda and intelligence gathering networks? Must have been something this author read recently in the fake news out of Venezuela. In our personal lives we don’t believe repeat liars, but when it comes to the “news” everyone accepts the lies like Zombie Morons. The news is largely a hoax believed by both left and right because they saw it on their favorite reality TV shows sometime called “the real news or op-ed news”. “Free people” allow their masters to know all their thoughts and emails. They post to social media about a really important op-ed as soon as their thoughts and feelings leave different parts of their zombie brains so that the masters can understand how their slaves respond. If you want to keep something private, don’t ever put it on line for even a second. But very few zombies seem to understand this – happily communicating with their masters confusing slavery with “freedom” or the “internet.”

  41. Che Guava says:

    To the mods or Mr. Unz.
    Attempting to see my earlier posts and replies and clicking on my u-name, to be sociable, as is usual since the Cloudflare connection of this site, placed Cloudflare in an endless loop.

    That one is able to view replies to earlier comments, and to reply or not, is one thing that is making this site enjoyable. I am not an important person, but it is irritating that Cloudflare is consistently going into an endless loop any time I am trying to check if there is a post to which I would like to reply.

    Knowing that it is Cloudflare, and not Unz.com, but if you are using Cloudflare, Unz.com is their customer, and the customer is the god.

    • Replies: @Moi
  42. Agent76 says:

    Mar 1, 2016 Operation Mockingbird: The CIA and the Media

    APRIL 12, 2017 WORLD WAR I AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS

    Historians talked about American motivations for entering World War I, how the country mobilized for war, and government restrictions on free speech and the press in response to protests.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?426840-1

    “All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.” Adolf Hitler

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  43. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    [Hijab removal for the photos? It is simply normal procedure]

    Why this politically motivated ACT is ‘normal’.
    Many Muslim women have Hijab and travel to the US or European countries where have not forced to remove their hijab.

    I don’t know how she covered herself at the time arrival, but many women, Muslims and non Muslims enter other countries with SCARF where is widely used in Iran and other regional countries. Are they asked to remove their scarf for photo? Are they interested to see their EARS and back of their necks?

    Scarf was chic decades ago and Grace Kelly and other Hollywood stars frequently appeared with scarf, very sexy, where hidden their EARS and no one said a damn thing.

    Marzieh’s Hijab is different from face mask, in Arabic Battoulah and in Persian Neghab.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battoulah

  44. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    So if they’re willing to blackout the Internet for something as banal as a hurricane, then just imagine what they’d do for their next 9/11.

    So…

    since only a brain damaged retard would not understand that this woman is being persecuted for her resistance to Jewish supremacist Zionism, and its ubiquitous threats to everyone’s freedom, dignity and even ultimately, our very lives..

    here is more evidence of their hysterical attempts to silence voices they consider inconvenient.

    I just read that several German politicians walked out on a holy Holohoax ‘survivor’s speech!

    This is unprecedented and is very amusing, encouraging and wunderbare.

    But in my attempt to avoid all kosher ‘reporting’ on the event, I saw a video by some guy who I figured I’d like to watch to get an unvarnished perspective.

    And I see ((Youtube)) has already shut him down.

    https://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DOwCP5ImbZzs

    So I looked around and found one that still works, and it’s just a dude talking for a couple of minutes about what happened. No kiddy porn or death scenes, just a guy talking to a camera. And ((they)) shut that down.

    Here’s one that still works (for the time being..)


    when Germans! walk out on a holy Holohoax survivor, what’s next?!

    Should we all have our tattoos removed so they don’t end up as lampshades?

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @Heros
    , @tac
  45. Wally says:
    @onebornfree

    Why do you say he’d ‘be a slave to Hitler’?

    Do you even know why, or are you just saying what you are told to say?

    face it:

    There is Hitler with the mythological & impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there is Hitler without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    Cogent response expected.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  46. bjondo says:
    @Hail

    she is an American reporter
    trying to come close to reporting facts
    which is nearly impossible in u s of a.

    jew stream media in control.

    press tv better than anything here,
    England, france.

  47. David says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    I think it’s odd how pervasive the kosher label is but I don’t particularly object to it.

    I just noticed yesterday that the coffee I buy has three pitches on its label: 100% Fair Trade, 100% Organic, 100% Kosher. It’s weird they think that’s so important.

    I’m no expert but I think most food is kosher without any special processes needing to be applied.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Anon
  48. @anon

    Anything to get rid off graffiti from the subway stations and for the trains to run on time and be cleaned now and then…

  49. It’s a bowl of granola up in here.

  50. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Capn Mike

    Capn Mike says: “Thanks, Onebornfree.”

    You’re welcome!

    Regards, onebornfree

  51. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Wally

    Slave Wally says: “Why do you say he’d ‘be a slave to Hitler’?”

    See post no. 17 for a clue [ I don’t wish to repeat myself, after all,”Biff” might get upset and start crying and stamping his/her feet 🙂 ]

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Wally
  52. Heros says:
    @Rurik

    That is Patrick Little, he ran for the California senate seat in 2018. The jews black balled him because he is totally woke and an ex-marine. He’s one of those amaleks that jews create with their depraved genocidal approach to goyim, like Anglin or Duke or Patton.

    Germany arising against the holohoax? I wouldn’t hold my breath. Their constitution was written by the US and Germany is still an occupied colony of ZOG.

    As for Hurricane Irma, it is exactly the same tactics as with the California firestorms. There is no doubt that they are manipulating the weather. There are HAARP stations spread all across the planet and the US navy has special HAARP ships. There are thousands of satellites. PG&E was supposed to e beaming microwave energy from space and converting it electricity already at the end of 2016. The receiver station was supposed to be in Sebastopol, CA. The same town hit by Carr fire in 2017.

    Just consider for a moment that your are Lord Rothschild, King of the Jews. You weild the planets entires store of Jewish Power, you can destroy people, groups and entire countries with the bat of an eye. Millions live or die at your whim. You are the most feared man in history because you also have the most fearsome arsenal in history.

    Now imagine you have billions riding on the global warming scam, which up to now you have controlled through your media, the UN, and Jewish Power. Now imagine that you find out that the planet is cooling.

    Then some sycophant scientist like Elon Musk sells you a way to create global warming anywhere you want. Hurricanes, floods, droughts, tidal waves, maybe even a passage through the red sea.

    Imagine also that your bloodlines oath to satan requires the construction of the third temple to Solomon and Eretz Israel.

    Yet Israel has no water. Imagine if you were Lord Rothschild, King of the Jews and you could make it rain anywhere on earth….

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  53. Allan says:
    @David William Pear

    weThat’s an interesting flurry of sanctimonious b.s. which depends on several fictions. The most obnoxious during the first six paragraphs—even worse than the special pleading on behalf of journalizing saints—may be that claim about the UN DOHR.

    In fact, the DOHR is a dogpile of humanist hypocrisy. The United Nations was organized during the early 1940’s to play a role in a great genocide in Europe. As usual, the directors of the drama were a cabal of democrats, communists, some corporate capitalists, and Judeans. The UN’s postwar format was shaped by the same ugly dream which brought socialist governments to power after the genocide (declared publicly in March 1933) had subsided.

    The UN has been at best a parasite ever since that exciting meeting in San Francisco, far across the ocean from a Japan nearly incinerated thanks in no small part to aggressive secular humanism, its spouse, international corporate capital, and their bullhorn named journalism. The long term object of the UN, monopolistic world power, is obvious enough in the name alone; we need no further evidence, not even the UN’s sordid wartime record, to justify our condemnation of it.

    It’s by the way that a doctrine of inalienable rights implies that it must be criminal to execute or otherwise incapacitate “Progressive” tyrants who are striving fiercely to repeat the worst of the experiments they carried out during the 1900’s. There is no such thing as inalienable rights. There never has been, and there never will be. Neither the UN nor its precious DOHR has any moral authority. They must be cast aside as one would throw away a plastic baggie filled with the droppings of one’s dog.

    • Replies: @Heros
  54. Heros says:
    @Rurik

    I really miss the edit function. I have tried it with 2 browsers, but it appears to have been disabled.

    Here is the article about the Germans walking out of another holohoax ritual:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-far-right-lawmakers-walk-out-of-speech-by-holocaust-survivor/

    • Replies: @Wally
  55. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @David

    But either way, I don’t really care about this woman. She shouldn’t be here.

    America for Americans!

    I agree. So what are all the Israel loving effing neocons doing in America? They all need to GTFO. America First!

    Note that I include non-Jewish neocons like Mike Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, Haley, etc. along with all the Israel loving Jews. All need to effing pack their bags and move to Israel. They are all foreign agents.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Rurik
    • Replies: @RobinG
  56. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Patton was spot on. America (and the West) is paying the price for fighting on the wrong side of history.

    Greed, lust and revenge are the 3 pillars of Judaism. Fascism is in their blood. Shameless dishonesty, otherwise known as chutzpah, is their guiding light, the necessary tool for success, and success they must achieve, at all cost. Jews do not know honesty or self-restraint if it hits them in the face. To a Jew, the end always justifies the means, because they convinced themselves that their people have been oppressed for 2,000 years by the goyim, so everything they do is justified. Nothing is ever their own damn fault, everything is always someone else’s fault. Extreme dishonesty does not allow for introspection. This menacing tribe will not stop until they’ve taken down the whole world in flames.

    The West was doomed the day we let Churchill convince us to take down Hitler.

  57. Heros says:
    @Allan

    There is a kind of schadenfreude glow that I get when someone who loathes the UN as much as I do unleashes.

  58. @1 Tsar Bomba for DC

    @wagelaborer. It’s a metaphor. I am pleasantly surprised that they let Marzieh go. This story is not over though. The conduct of the mainstream media in ignoring the attack on freedom of the press is disgraceful. They have made themselves irrelevant and only fit for gossip.

  59. Wally says:
    @onebornfree

    Except that response does not answer my questions.

    So why are you dodging my questions?

    Which were:
    “Why do you say he’d ‘be a slave to Hitler’?
    Do you even know why, or are you just saying what you are told to say?”

    Are you OK?

  60. Wally says:
    @Heros

    Then you gotta love this absurdity:

    Israel crowns 93-year-old as ‘Miss Holocaust Survivor’ : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-holocaust-pageant/israel-crowns-93-year-old-as-miss-holocaust-survivor-idUSKCN1MO0T6

    Once they lied, they must continue to lie“.

    photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.

    It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @David William Pear
  61. wayfarer says:

    censorship (noun): the suppression or prohibition of any parts of speech, books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, or politically unacceptable.

    source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/censorship

    Chinese $$$ and American Freedom: Google the “Good Censor.”

  62. @1 Tsar Bomba for DC

    Thanks for expanding on a very important topic that too few people are aware of. Obviously there is a need for planning for a catastrophic event. Personally I think the planning should be done publicly and not secretly.

  63. @Digital Samizdat

    False flag. The sneakers were clearly tied to the FBI.

  64. bjondo says:
    @David

    not limited to food.
    look at bleach, al foil,
    other non food items.

    soon, could be a universal tax.

  65. @AWM

    There is not even much good satire anymore, with the exception of Redacted Tonight which is not even close to George Carlin.

  66. @wayfarer

    Those landmark ruling on free speech by the Supreme Court are unlikely to happen with the court we have now. Do people even know what the Bill of Rights is?

  67. @No equivocation

    And the government wants to keep it that way.

  68. @Bombercommand

    I am sure you would feel different if it were you that was manhandled instead of being served a subpoena.

    Well, I guess if you are not a witness to a crime you have nothing to worry about.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  69. Rurik says:
    @Heros

    Patrick Little

    Wow, that guy is awesome!

    here’s another good guy, Paul Nehlen

    he includes a clip on Kevin MacDonald in the video. He ran for Sheldon Adelson’s cuck- Paul Ryan’s seat in 2018, but of course lost. Down but not out.

    As for the California fires and DEW, I’ve seen lots of videos were cars are scorched and even melted, when the trees and plastic trash cans right next to them seem pristine. I also believe they used DEW during 9/11, when you see steel beams vaporize into dust right before your eyes.

    As to Rothschild, if it’s true that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then Rothschild is a poster boy for a human soul that has blackened into the abyss, and become a Caligula-like monster, so consumed with lust for more power, that he’ll be the death of all life on planet Earth, unless the rest of us can rein him in somehow.

    I suspect that Orwell was channeling Rothschild as he laid out the motivating principle of the Inner Party: the lustful wielding of raw power to crush and utterly dominate the human spirit.

    At heart, a drooling rapist telling the whole world to lay back and learn to enjoy it.

    Now imagine you have billions riding on the global warming scam, which up to now you have controlled through your media, the UN, and Jewish Power. Now imagine that you find out that the planet is cooling.

    the Global Warming scam carbon tax was going to be their fait accompli, last nail in the coffin for any aspiration for human freedom in the 21st century, and beyond for perpetuity.

    It was intended to lead to the perfect expression of their Talmudic/Protocols/Old Testament Satanic domination of the planet and all its people.

    This charming fellow lays it out pretty plainly, and make no mistake, as he says, ‘all of them, film everybody’, he means you and I as well.

  70. @Rurik

    @Rurik
    That is when it is a good idea to have plenty of ammunition and canned food.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  71. renfro says:

    RT has been required to register in the US as a foreign agent, which is extremely unusual

    Why isnt i24 made to register as a foreign agent? i24 was added to my suddenlink cable news 2 years ago. Its a Israeli network. I check it occasionally….lots of propaganda.

    ‘i24NEWS is an Israeli international 24-hour news and current affairs television channel located in Jaffa Port, Tel Aviv, Israel.[1] It broadcasts in French, English and Arabic. The channel’s owner is Patrick Drahi, and the CEO is Frank Melloul.

    The network began broadcasting in the US on 13 February 2017. The English channel is broadcast from New York between 6 and 10 p.m. Eastern Time and at other times broadcasts from Israel

  72. @Hail

    @Hail Don’t black people show up in the darndest places…even Iran (irony).

  73. Heros says:
    @Wally

    The real Big Lie. If there were any bodies they would be German anyway.

    One way they keep the truth from leaking out is by continually whacking us across the face with their fake holohoax guilt. Here is a fantastic twitter feed, Day 64 in a row of holocaust articles:

    We could write an entire comic book series about ridiculous jew lies, and get rich off of it.

  74. @forgottenpseudonym

    @forgottenpseudonym
    or like the 89 members of Congress and the Senate that are Israeli citizens.

  75. Nonny says:

    It’s not just the US war on freedom of the press, it’s the US rulers’ war on freedom.

  76. @Wally

    Get out your copy of the Holocaust Industry.

    • Replies: @Wally
  77. Rurik says:
    @David William Pear

    Yep, and let me thank you for bringing up this woman’s plight, and perhaps more forebodingly, the ubiquitous cowardice of her fellow journalists by their craven, sniveling silence.

    Which I’ve seen before, as in particularly the Michael Hasting’s case, during which I even had a subscription to the Rolling Stone, where he worked, and the editors there ‘honored’ his life and death by collaborating with his murderers and helping to cover up the crime.

    When they (obviously) murdered Michael Hastings (or less obviously – Udo Ulfkotte), I suspect they were sending out a message, because it was so over the top obvious what they’d done (assassinated a popular journalist who was about to publish something inconvenient to them). Perhaps they’re doing the same thing to this lady, for the same reason.

  78. @snoopyiv

    @snoopyiv It is a sad day.

    In fact, I feel physically ill from the turn of events in Venezuela and the US ‘big stick’ towards South/Central America and the Caribbean. We know this is all about oil and crushing socialism; neoliberal ‘investment opportunities’ for US corporations.

    Pence’s pronouncement that “Maduro is a dictator” is false and hypocritical. Actually Maduro is more legitimate than Trump/Pence, who did not get a majority of the votes. Maduro did, and the voting machines are state of the art compared to the purposely neglected crooked ones in the US.

    How long will the ignorant public buy the bs that the US is concerned about democracy, when obviously it is not as long as it is their dictators in charge. The US was perfectly happy with Batista, Trujillo, and Somoza for decades. The military dictatorship in Honduras and Sisi in Egypt are just fine with the US. How can one leave out the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchs.

    The bright note is that Russia and China are finally getting a backbone.

  79. Made sense until the last sentence. BLM are as much Deep State cucks as Antifa. As the Russian saying goes, “tell me who are your friends and I will tell you what are you”.

    • Agree: Moi
  80. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    LET’S ALL NOTICE

    That DESERT FOX and Rurik AGREE

    That MARZIEH should not be allowed to visit U.S.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  81. @onebornfree

    You ain’t a “slave” in the USSA, WTFU home boy….

  82. Moi says:
    @No equivocation

    Might it not be good to add that Americans are the most servile people–to their government and their employers–with the possible exception of the DPRK. And I’m not sure about the last bit 🙂

  83. @AnonFromTN

    Actually it is “show me your friends and I’ll show you your future”. My dear old granny used to preach that to me on a regular basis. It is only now that I realize the wisdom in that statement. RIP granny.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  84. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    Rurik AGREE

    That MARZIEH should not be allowed to visit U.S.

    what are you on about, you myopic imbecile?

    Every word I’ve written is in support of women like Marzieh (or Cynthia McKinney, or any other person of honor and courage) – troll.

    You’re just too pathetically blinded by your own biases to see the unvarnished truth.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  85. @David William Pear

    Dead on my brother. Murka will now go the way of the British empire. Trump(with the Demoncrats playing the other side of the division/hate coin) is the clown to lead America through its death throes. Right wing/left wing. Who gives a fuck, they will both fly us straight into the depths of HELL.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  86. Who gives a fuck about a dual citizen having their “rights” violated? It’s been happening to Americans for decades.

    Oh, I see: “David is a progressive columnist writing on economic, political and social issues.” So it’s “oh noes, a brown person is in trouble. EVERYONE TO ARMS! TO ARMS!”

    While a commitment to “balance” may be commendable, Unz, why waste the server space? It’s not like we’re not inundated with “progressive” mewling from all angles anyhow.

  87. Art says:

    Mr. Unz — thanks for publishing this article – Drudge will not — Art

  88. renfro says:

    A N.Y. Times Story Just Accidentally Shredded the Russiagate Hysteria
    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/a-n-y-times-story-just-accidentally-shredded-the-russiagate-hysteria/

    You should read the truthdig story but I’ll sum it up for you.

    The media and congress have been getting their Russiagate information from:

    # Hamilton 68 run by J. Morgan.

    So who is Hamilton 86?

    #Its a project of Alliance for Securing Democracy

    So who is behind the Alliance for Securing Democracy?

    # It is funded by the German Marshall Fund’s Alliance for Securing Democracy—which is itself backed by NATO and USAID
    .”

    So who runs Alliance for Securing Democracy/:

    Mostly Jews…check it out here….https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/about-us/
    Team
    Laura Rosenberger is the director of the Alliance for Securing
    Advisory Council
    Mike Chertoff was U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security from

    #Then we have New Knowledge

    Here’s how New Knowledge’s game worked. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jones-russia.html New Knowledge created a fake Facebook page in order to get conservatives in Alabama to support salesman Mac Watson instead of Roy Moore. They then tried to make everyone think that Moore’s campaign was working with the Kremlin by showing that he had thousands of Russian bots following his Twitter account. Many in the mainstream media ran with this claim.

    Everyone, including myself, who thought RussiaGate was a pile of crap was right.

    As Facebook admitted, but the get Trump media ignored —> 44% of total ad impressions (number of times ads were displayed) were before the US election on November 8, 2016; 56% were after the election. Roughly 25% of the ads were never shown to anyone. That’s because advertising auctions are designed so that ads reach people based on relevance, and certain ads may not reach anyone as a result.
    https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-questions-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/

  89. @David William Pear

    Thanks for the fallacious counterarguemant, DWP. In all Common Law jurisdictions, if an individual is considered a flight risk, an arrest warrant may be issued to compel testimony, instead of serving a subpeona. The Government, or Crown, must convince a Judge that is the case. Clearly, Melanie Franklin, with her dual citizenship, her muzzie extremist opinions, and her high status job in the Iranian media, has every reason, and the means, to accept the subpoena, then bug out to The Moronic Muzzie Republic, where attempting to request extradition for Contempt Of Court would be impossible. Melanie Franklin was not “manhandled”, she was arrested on a valid warrant(she would be “handled” by female officers)and detained in a hotel room where she enjoyed the company of her children. As for the fluff about being fed pork and stripped of that goofy sheet she wears, who says that happened?

    • Replies: @pensword
  90. renfro says:
    @AnonFromTN

    ”Tell me who your enemies are and I’ll tell you what you are”…works much better.

    So does ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

    I’ll ally with anyone even temporally to defeat my enemy.

  91. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @David

    It’s not the process. It’s the blackmail extortion payoff to the kosher certification rabbis who are on the payroll of every food manufacturer and importer in the country. The food companies pay the certifiers and pass the cost to the consumer.

    My brother was a dairy farmer and sold the bull calves to a kosher veal factory. Some black hats had to come out and approve his cows as fit and proper to have superior bull calves fit to be eaten by the superior chosen people.

    This article is ridiculous. For decades the black Muslims have filed numerous law suits against jails and prisons for serving pork. The suits are always dismissed. The prison authorities response is; that the diets and menus are 3,000 plus calories a day adult men diets with every protein carb vitamin and mineral necessary for optimum health created by expert nutritionists.
    The inmates can just skip the pork and won’t suffer nutritionally.

    What is it about hair ears and neck that drives Muslim men into a frenzy of uncontrollable lust? I can see men and women thinking that curly black hair or straight blonde hair or different hair styles are attractive but getting sexually shrouded by hair????? Sounds prevented to me.

  92. ” the US Constitution, recognizes the inalienable rights of all human beings in the world, especially journalists.”

    The US constitution affords no rights to Journalists “especially”.
    You were doing a decent job of rousing my sympathy until you revealed what an “especially” entitled fucker you and your ilk are.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  93. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    That’s right. So go back and read carefully the post to which you AGREED.

    When you hit AGREE, you’re agreeing with the whole post. You had the option to reply and agree to some parts.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  94. Rurik says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    David is a progressive columnist writing on economic, political and social issues.” So it’s “oh noes, a brown person is in trouble

    ah yes, I remember him (vaguely) now.

    And I also missed the paean to the overtly racist BLM.

    Now his thinly veiled insult to me about getting ‘ammunition’ makes sense (I was sort of wondering WTF?).

    What a shame that a story about a persecuted journalist has to be sullied by association with a muckraker of meanness (in every sense of the word).

    Nevertheless, at least his article was measured enough that my shitlib antenna wasn’t tweaking, so perhaps there’s hope for this man.

    Here’s a clue: saying ‘all lives matter’ is not hate speech, Rather, it’s the unvarnished truth.

  95. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @David William Pear

    Just a reminder, Mr Pear, there are 3,110 counties in America. 2,700 counties voted for Trunp.400 for Hildabeast. You seem to be a liberal. You’re advocating for a black woman

    Liberals are the enemies of Whites. Jews are the liberals who enacted school desegregation and bussing laws, affirmative action discrimination against Whites the importation of millions of non White job thieves and have been on a very successful war against Whites since the end of WW2

    The leaders of the war against Whites always were and are now Jews. The anti White liberal goyim such as yourself are nothing but *running dogs of the anti White Jews.

    Being liberals, you and that black woman are the enemy of me and every other White American. Goyim liberals are no different than Jewish liberals. You may think you’re a brave fighter against Israel and Jewish power. But you’re nothing but a running dog of the Jews.

    * running dog is a servile accomolice.

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  96. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    Not Phillipinas but Chinese women since China is the up and coming major power of the future. The Jewish press has been praising China and Jewish men Chinese woman marriages for decades now.

    In a positive note, the Jewish Bolshevic news paper has ended its print edition.

    I despise and detest the press because it has been anti White for decades. One of my favorite movies is Evita. My favorite scene is the montage where the army closes down a newspaper office and takes the staff to prison. My favorite California history incident is the one where Big Bill Hayden and some radical labor union blew up the Los Angeles Times building

    The press is the enemy of Whites.

    That’s all.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  97. “While a commitment to “balance” may be commendable, Unz, why waste the server space? It’s not like we’re not inundated with “progressive” mewling from all angles anyhow.”

    with the predictable, mindless rants invoking the specters of McCarthyism and Fascism. Can progressives ever try to make a point without bringing Hitler back to life?

  98. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    It’s Ron’s money and his site.

  99. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Wally

    Slave Wally says: “So why are you dodging my questions?”

    I’m sorry that you are too dense to be able to draw any solid conclusions from the quotes given.

    I’m not going to get into a long, pointless back and forth concerning the true nature of all governments past present or future with one such as yourself, in this type of free for all environment.

    I’d go 1 on 1 with you in a private setting [perhaps, but perhaps not], but I doubt you’d be interested, or can even afford my services.

    And so I’ll just resign myself to the old adage: “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”, and leave it at that.

    Have a nice life. [and heil Hitler!] 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @redmudhooch
  100. renfro says:

    FAKE NEWS ALERT

    When you see the sob stories about federal employees not getting payed be aware they haveaccess to no interest loans from their credit unions.

    [MORE]

    Amid shutdown, banks, credit unions offer low-interest rate loans
    https://www.cnbc.com/…/banks-companies-offer-some-room-to-workers-without-pay-&#8230;
    Jan 8, 2019 – With the government shutdown now in its third week, financial regulators … The U.S. Employees Credit Union is providing interest-free loans to …
    Another Problem For Federal Workers Not Getting Paid During The …
    https://www.bankrate.com/…/how-to-protect-credit-during-government-shutdown/
    17 hours ago – If the freeze on wages continues, unpaid federal workers may soon be … Several lenders, banks, and federal credit unions are offering low-interest rate loans … USAA Government Shutdown Loan Program: The USAA Federal …
    These groups offer housing, financial shutdown assistance to unpaid …
    https://federalnewsnetwork.com › Management › Government Shutdown
    3 days ago – NFCU is offering 0 percent APR loans to federal employees and active … as the shutdown covers multiple pay periods, the credit union said.
    Furlough Center | FedChoice Federal Credit Union
    http://www.fedchoice.org/my-life/furlough-center/
    Jump to Offer Shutdown Loan Options – – If you are a Federal civilian employee or a Federal … To be considered for a FedChoice Furlough Loan, the following criteria must be met: … as a result of the Federal Government shutdown.
    Banks and credit unions move to help federal workers hit by shutdown
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/banks-workers-help-shutdown/index.html
    Jan 2, 2019 – Banks and credit unions that cater to federal workers are readying financial help for their customers as the government shutdown drags on. … The assistance includes low- or no-interest payroll advances and loans for workers …
    Government Shutdown Assistance | Navy Federal Credit Union
    https://www.navyfederal.org/about/government-shutdown.php
    Government Shutdown Assistance 0% APR Loan During Government … Federal government employees; Active Duty servicemembers of the Coast Guard

    I have long been totally against all the special benefits fed and state employees get that are denied to your average working people. They should be treated the same as corporations treat private sector employees.

  101. Talha says:
    @Anon

    The Jewish press has been praising China and Jewish men Chinese woman marriages for decades now.

    If this is the case, this is nuts because they already have a shortage of women in China that is causing some really weird issues to happen in that society:

    They don’t need any foreigners making it worse by picking up the available women that are already very high in demand.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  102. Wally says:
    @David William Pear

    Thanks, been there, done that.
    Tons on it here:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=holocaust+industry

    Finkelstein’s work is a good starting point for the novice, however, he also laughably tries to assert that his parents are “survivors”. “Survivors” of what? The impossible?

    Clearly if the Germans had done what was alleged they would not have left thousands of Jews behind at Auschwitz to talk. Also note that the ‘holocaust’ narrative says that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on’. Yet we see endless so called “survivor$”. Massive contradictions everywhere.

    Best.
    http://www.codoh.com

  103. @Johnny Walker Read

    So, this wisdom is international. Good to know. Your grandma was a wise woman.

  104. Wally says:
    @onebornfree

    Once again you say nothing about Hitler, the subject of your statement which I quoted.

    I have no desire to discuss your attempted diversion of “all governments past present or future with one such as yourself, in this type of free for all environment”.

    I want you to tell us what you mean when you said: He’d “be a slave to Hitler”.

    Debate like an adult, not an indoctrinated freshmen.
    Stop dodging.

    And speaking of debate, I’m calling you out:
    No name calling, no dodging debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

  105. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Bill Jones

    Bill Jones says: “The US constitution affords no rights to Journalists “especially”.”

    Correct, [as far as you go , with your conveniently narrow interpretation]. 🙂

    Let’s assume you’re right vis a vis the fact that the word”press” is in the 1st amendment, but “journalists” are not specifically referred to.

    For clarity and for sake of argument, lets just ignore the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights [ratified in 1791] entirely .

    Even so, the Declaration of Independence[ratified 1776, that is, 15 years prior to the ratification of the Bill of Rights,] in part says :

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    So now you get to tell us all here that either :

    [1] it only mentions men, not women, and so does not apply to women,

    or… :[2] it only applies to US citizens.

    or perhaps: [3] it only applies to male US citizens.

    Right?

    ‘Can’t wait for the incoming “pretzel logic”.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  106. anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Off Topic while the anti White activist Pear is weeping and wailing about a poor abused black women.

    The nursing home employee who raped the comatose patient and got her with child has been identified. Naturally, he’s a black man, Nathan sutherland. He’s not a nurse’s aid. He’s a licensed practical nurse/ licensed vocational nurse.

    The woman’s family is raising the baby. I can see why they are doing it, but bad bad genetics.

  107. anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Not going to China for mail order brides, dating and marrying Chinese women already living in America of which there are plenty in the Jewish enclaves of S California and NYC

    • Replies: @Talha
  108. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    When you hit AGREE, you’re agreeing with the whole post.

    the gist of the post was (as near as I could tell) a repudiation of the quote you’re referring to.

    IOW the comment was mocking those words, and saying to the effect.. oh we should ban her, and yea, BTW, we should ban all the dual citizen scumfucks subverting our nation into the service if Israel.

    So there is some nuance there that I suspect you missed.

    this is what gives it away that he was mocking the original poster’s point

    “Note that I include non-Jewish neocons like Mike Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, Haley, etc.”

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @RobinG
  109. wayfarer says:

    God is not willing to do everything, and thus take away our free will and that share of glory which belongs to us.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  110. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    Ah OK – that makes more sense.

    Peace.

  111. TKK says:

    Mr. Pear:

    You listed removing this woman’s hijab and being forced to eat non halal food as torture. This is lunacy and demonstrates your catastrophic ignorance regarding the American prison experience of the rank and file.

    I am a criminal defense attorney in Florida. Do you have any idea of the actual treatment of state prisoners, of all colors, in the Sunshine state?

    Men are forced to wade in creeks to cut brush with medieval sling blades for 14 hours a day. Think Cool Hand Luke without Dragline to lighten the mood. Cotton mouths (snakes), swarms of insects and mosquitos attack as the sun bakes mercilessly and the humidity makes every move a slog.

    You go back to a cell block with no air conditioning. Showers are permitted three times a week. Covered in poison ivy or sumac from road work? Too bad.

    Need medical care? Too bad. Maybe you get merely mildly sadistic guard who might give you the permission to get a Tylenol from a surly nurse for a broken foot. Chest pains and diarrhea from a potential heart attack? Too bad. Wait 72 hours for the prison doc, and if you lick boot sufficiently- they might take you to the hospital.

    And that nurse? No matter if she is a 200 lb sweat hog. If she wants you to flirt with her , or f*ck her- and you don’t (why else do most females work in a male prison)- she will write you up for disobeying a direct order. More time added, gain time taken away.

    Sub standard food is contaminated with bugs and by the filth of prison cooks who have scores to settle (think semen, feces, urine, spit).

    Furthermore, the concept of a speedy trial only exists in the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure. Prosecutors ask for continuances, but Judges waive rights to speedy trial and charge the delay to the defendant.The result? Thousands of middle and lower class working class men and women sit in county jail and wait for months for the State to prove up the charge.

    They lose their homes, their children, their cars, their “stuff.” Once the jaws of the penal system of grabbed you, very few can recover financially.

    And lets suppose that you do exercise your right to a jury trial (in the Bill of Rights). If you are found guilty, most judges exercise punitive sentencing. For example, if you take a plea, you get 3 years. But if you force the State to actually prove up the charges beyond a reasonable doubt (THEIR JOB) that 3 year deal is gone. 10 years is coming. Why? Because the bureaucractic cockroaches are mad that they had to actually do some work. The judge could not leave early on Friday and play golf.

    Prison is not supposed to be a Sandals resort. But your pearl clutching over this unattractive, unimpressive “journalist” and framing her federal custody as an abduction demolishes any credibility your work might have.

    If you want to expose real time injustice, roll up your sleeves and dive into cases where U.S. citizens are sentenced to life in prison for selling pot. Raped and brutalized for decades for having some weed or booger sugar.

    Further, your thesis regarding censorship of leftist causes is bizarre and is no reflection of reality. The Western MSM bows down and fawningly provides fellatio to Black Lives Matter and any other cause associated with any Democratic propaganda, Obama, the Clintons or other manufactured silliness to paint working white Americans as villains.

  112. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Who gives a fuck about a dual citizen having their “rights” violated? It’s been happening to Americans for decades.

    Oh, I see: “David is a progressive columnist writing on economic, political and social issues.” So it’s “oh noes, a brown person is in trouble. EVERYONE TO ARMS! TO ARMS!”

    While a commitment to “balance” may be commendable, Unz, why waste the server space? It’s not like we’re not inundated with “progressive” mewling from all angles anyhow.

    SNOWFLAKE *TRIGGERED!*

    Press TV does good honest unbiased work. One of the few.

    Press TV guests include Mark Dankof, Ken O Keefe, Kevin Barrett, James Fetzer, David Duke to Louis Farrakhan and Cynthia McKinney, they’re one of the only media outlets that’ll even discuss 9-11 truth.
    Where else can you get this variety of coverage? Don’t be so stupid dumb goyim.

    Lord help some of the “people” on this site, as well as others, pull your heads out of your ass for goodness sake folks. Better wake up. Life is short. Don’t let your hate blind you fool.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

  113. and great article Mr. Pear! Hard times we’re living in.

  114. @onebornfree

    I’d go 1 on 1 with you in a private setting [perhaps, but perhaps not], but I doubt you’d be interested, or can even afford my services.

    Cowwward. Scared of Wally are ya?

  115. @onebornfree

    Let’s assume you’re right vis a vis the fact that the word”press” is in the 1st amendment, but “journalists” are not specifically referred to.

    The “press” referred to in the First Amendment is the means to produce and distribute ideas, at the time the printing press. It was not then and is not now a job title.

    Today it would include the internet, computers, printers, cameras and other recording devices in addition to the printing press.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  116. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    This is what Anon[681] AGREEd to

    But either way, I don’t really care about this woman. She shouldn’t be here.

    No nuance. Just piling on top of “David” and adding more shit.

    I agree. So what are all the Israel loving effing neocons doing in America? They all need to GTFO. America First!

    Note that I include non-Jewish neocons like Mike Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, Haley, etc. along with all the Israel loving Jews. All need to effing pack their bags and move to Israel.

    That’s one of my favorite Unz commenter tropes. [NOT.] The Palestinians have enough of a burden without our trash. Demode them, shame them. prosecute them here if possible.

    As a side note, it’s perfectly obvious why Marzieh retains her US passport. (Contrast Bill Browder, who gave his up to avoid taxes.)

    • Replies: @David William Pear
    , @Rurik
  117. wayfarer says:
    @TKK

    Thanks for sharing a bitter ration of reality.

    FTG.

  118. Art says:
    @anon

    America is no longer a Christian nation, we are now a Jew nation, with all that it entails: dishonesty, high corruption, fascism, deep state, lies and propaganda through msm and academia, internet leftist lynch mobs, censorship, Zionist banking cabal, Ziocons

    anon[414] — you got that right – we are now Jew America.

    The Jews have engineered a near 100% shut down of this story. Jews own the MSM – end of story.

    It is amazing that all the media personal are tight lipped about the coercive treatment of one of their own. They are always pounding their chests claiming how they are the saviors of democracy and all that is good. What a lie.

    They become cowardly mice, when the interests of the ADL appear. Get Iran is the Jew mantra – 24/7/365. Speak or write against that and they will kill your media or political livelihood.

    Think Peace — Do NO Harm — Art

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  119. onebornfree says: • Website
    @TKK

    TKK says: “…..this unattractive, unimpressive “journalist” and framing her federal custody as an abduction demolishes any credibility your work might have…..”

    I’m no lawyer, but I’m hard pressed to understand exactly what this persons “unattractive”ness, or her professional abilities [or lack thereof] have to do with anything.

    Regarding an ” abduction” the author stated:

    “..Marzieh was whisked to an unknown location in the vicinity of Washington, DC. The Washington DC area was probably chosen, as Northern Virginia is the site of what is referred to as the “CIA court”, in which so-called national security cases are heard, because the government can be assured of government-friendly juries…”

    If true, it seems to me that she is more than likely a political prisoner at present, which brings up visions of possible Guantánamo-like confinement and treatment, replete with deliberate physical and mental torture.

    I hope that is not the case, but sadly I’d not at all be surprised if it were the case, which means her incarceration conditions might actually be even worse than those you describe for “normal” prisoners, which are bad enough.

    Regards, onebornfree

  120. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Chris Mallory

    Chris Mallory says: “The “press” referred to in the First Amendment is the means to produce and distribute ideas, at the time the printing press. It was not then and is not now a job title.”

    So……….?

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  121. @Heros

    Will this make more sense after I drop about 12 tabs of LSD?

  122. @Talha

    Shit! What country must we bomb/invade/fuck up next to put a stop to this unabashed terrorism!

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @David William Pear
    , @Talha
  123. Z-man says:
    @Hail

    Yeah, with all due respect to the Persians, she is not a good example to use when fighting ZOG.
    She’s a converted New Orleanian btw, lol!!!

  124. Hassan Nasrallah: Israel does NOT control America

  125. @onebornfree

    Melanie Franklin was released Wednesday, after giving her Grand Jury testimony. The United States government stated this would be the case when she was arrested. If you had bothered to read my comment #9, posted on Wednesday, you would know that. Obviously you have failed to read my comment #91, where I explain why this incident was not some monstrous travesty of justice. Melanie Franklin was not “incarcerated”, but detained pending her Grand Jury testimony, and she was detained in a hotel room, hardly “Guantanamo-like confinement and treatment”.

  126. Paw says:
    @AWM

    Sure. I tend to think and even convinced , that the media,governments, bureaucrats, democrats etc., are ruthlessly, arrogantly, aggressively engaged in the war against themselves ….In the first place. They provoke , it might be ,because they do not enjoy to live in this world anymore.
    Some populists predicted again and again , that democratic capitalists and imperialists actually love and work hard to end in suicide….

  127. @onebornfree

    You ARE an annoying asshole, but not enough to go technological solutions…

  128. RobinG says:
    @Bombercommand

    You’re full of shit. Marzieh was handcuffed, shackled, strip searched and held in solitary in DC Jails, and it was 2 days before they notified her family where she was. Bomb yourself.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  129. @Chris Mallory

    “All citizens have “Freedom of the Press”.

    I agree with you 1000%.

  130. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Let’s start with the 89 in the Congress that have dual Israeli citizenship.

  131. Anon[681] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    George Soros is now railing on China’s president Xi for not kowtowing to his Jew World Order:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-24/soros-agrees-trump-china-unprecedented-danger-and-us-must-crack-down

    The meddlesome Jew is actually calling for the people of China to rise up and topple their government! If the CPC falls in China, we will see instability around the world like we’ve never seen before. It’ll be the Arab Spring times 10 since China is so intertwined with the world economically.

    First Russia, then the US, now China. That old fuck is trying to topple governments everywhere that wants to stand up to his “open societies” JWO vision, pushing the world towards WWIII to achieve his evil aims.

    There is a special hell waiting for him.

    • Replies: @Anon
  132. @TKK

    So it is ok because others are treated so much worse. Strange logic. But actually I do care about the inhumane treatment of all prisoners, and to their status as slaves.

    Real rehabilitation and humane prisons has not been talked about by the left, liberals, progressives, and that is wrong. Thanks for publicizing the problem and hopefully you can raise awareness to where something is actually done about it.

    Actually I have written in the past about US prisons and other domestic issues. For the past few years I have devoted my writing to try and bring attention to ending illegal foreign wars. This story was not planned but I have been writing about Iran, as well as Palestine, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Afghanistan etc.

  133. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Mexico? The US has not invaded them for 100 years. They must be due. (Irony).

  134. @RobinG

    What was the crime that it was so necessary to keep someone locked up for 11 days? Oh, it is still a secret. The truth is there was no crime. They arrested Marzieh because she is an Iranian journalist, and then they realized that in the rest of the world this was an outrage. US Americans are used to dehumanizing brutality so it was no big deal in the US msm.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  135. @Bombercommand

    “she was detained in a hotel room,” That is total bs.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  136. @onebornfree

    “political prisoner”,,,,In fact she was a political prisoner and she was tortured. For another thing, they put her on suicide watch which is used to deprive prisoner of sleep. They are awaken ever 15 minutes “to see if they committed suicide”. Eleven days may seem trivial to many here, but I challenge anybody to actually voluntarily try it and see how they feel afterwards.

  137. @wayfarer

    I hope nobody really believes that US foreign policy cares about women’s rights. Just the opposite, the US has been supporting the radicalization and attacking ever secular Muslim majority country.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  138. Rogue says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Yes, the author’s attempt at creating “torture” out of clothing abuse and Western standards of prison diet, are a bit overly-emotive to say the least.

    Please get the message – exaggeration weakens your case. It does not strengthen it.

    But as far as the assault on genuine freedom of expression is concerned, not a bad article.

  139. @Ragnar

    ‘A filthy muslim AND part of the lugenpresse. They all deserve this.’

    But who are the ones who actually get it?

    You won’t see this happening to Wolf Blitzer, will you?

  140. @David William Pear

    “Total bs”? Really, DWP? And how do you know that? I read that in a MSM article on this incident. Was that article a lie or the truth? I don’t know and neither do you, and its entirely irrelevant either way. What I do know is you have been distorting the facts of this case and I pointed out how in my reply to you, comment #91, which you chose to entirely ignore because you can’t counter them, so you jump on the “hotel” issue, the methodology of a twelve year old. You are dishonest, DWP, you misrepresent this case as an arbitrary arrest. Carefully reread comment #91 and tell me how I am wrong.

  141. pensword says:
    @David

    When articles include crap as supporting evidence, it weakens the case.

    Your argument would sound better if American correctional institutions had no history of accommodating religiously prescribed dietary practices of inmates, as per the First Amendment.

    Since there is a demonstrable, well-documented history of this, your grievance is silly.

    • Replies: @David
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  142. @RobinG

    Hotel room or solitary, entirely irrelevant. Melanie Franklin was a Material Witness in a Grand Jury proceeding. A Judge agreed that if served a subpoena it was highly likely she would not appear. As a dual citizen of USA and Iran, with a high profile job in Iranian media, and muzzie extremist opinions, it is reasonable to conclude she was a flight risk. It is standard practice in Common Law jurisdictions to issue an arrest warrant in order to compel testimony in such circumstances. Grow up, BatmansBoyfriend.

    • Troll: L.K
  143. @David William Pear

    No crime was alleged, and you know that DWP, or you should. Melanie Franklin was arrested because as a Material Witness in a Grand Jury proceeding, a Judge agreed that if served with a subpoena, it was highly likely she would not appear. This is standard practice in Common Law jurisdictions. She was arrested to compel testimony. She testified and was immediately released. Its over. Now go find another molehill to build a mountain out of, DWP.

  144. wayfarer says:
    @David William Pear

    I hope nobody really believes that US foreign policy cares about women’s rights. Just the opposite, the US has been supporting the radicalization and attacking ever secular Muslim majority country.

    Don’t forget, there’s also an entitled elephant in this room.

    Israel, the Trust Fund Nation.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Boy
    source: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • Replies: @Talha
  145. APilgrim says:

    “Newspaper publishing is one of only eight U.S. industries that employs less than half as many workers as it did in 2008.”

    America’s dying industries: These businesses lost the most workers in past decade, Grant Suneson, 24/7 Wall Street Published 6:00 a.m. ET Dec. 18, 2018 | Updated 7:27 a.m. ET Dec. 18, 2018, https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/12/18/americas-dying-industries-businesses-losing-most-workers/38693221/

    8. Newspaper publishers, • Employment change 2008-17: -50.3%, • Employment total: 160,739, • Wage growth 2008-17: -17.8%, • Avg. annual wage: $32,765

    Newspaper publishing is one of only eight U.S. industries that employs less than half as many workers as it did in 2008. There are now just 160,739 newspaper publishers workers in the United States, compared to more than 320,000 a decade earlier. While people still read newspapers, many who do subscribe to the digital version, reducing the need for those who print physical copies. Industry workers today are making less money than industry workers in 2008. Since that time, the industry’s average annual wages dropped 17.8%, one of the larger declines of any industry.

  146. Talha says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Apparently the US…if we are to follow it to the logical conclusion…

    Peace.

  147. APilgrim says:

    “The Media Botched the Covington Catholic Story, And the damage to their credibility will be lasting.” Caitlin Flanagan, The Atlantic, IDEAS, JAN 23, 2019, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/

    The New York Times, sober guardian of the exact and the nonsensational, had cannonballed into the delicious story on Friday, titling its first piece “Boys in ‘Make America Great Again’ Hats Mob Native Elder at Indigenous Peoples March.” But the next day it ran a second story, with the headline “Fuller Picture Emerges of Viral Video of Native American Man and Catholic Students.” How had the boys been demilitarized from wearers of “Make America Great Again” hats to “Catholic students” in less than 24 hours?

    It turned out that the “four African American young men preaching about the Bible and oppression” had made a video, almost two hours in length, and while it does not fully exonerate the boys, it releases them from most of the serious charges. The full video reveals that there was indeed a Native American gathering at the Lincoln Memorial, that it took place shortly before the events of the viral video, and that during it the indigenous people had been the subject of a hideous tirade of racist insults and fantasies. But the white students weren’t the people hurling this garbage at them—the young “African American men preaching about the Bible and oppression” were doing it.

  148. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    This is what Anon[681] AGREEd to

    we’re supposed to keep track of what every Anon says?

    No nuance. Just piling on top of “David” and adding more shit.

    is that an apology for your rude behavior towards DESERT FOX and myself? Because it lacks the tone of an apology.

    If you spend enough time here, you get a sense of other participant’s character, (or lack there of ; )

    Note that I include non-Jewish neocons like Mike Pence, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, Haley, etc. along with all the Israel loving Jews. All need to effing pack their bags and move to Israel.

    That’s one of my favorite Unz commenter tropes. [NOT.] The Palestinians have enough of a burden without our trash

    are you suggesting that you’re dumb enough to think he meant that literally?

    What you should have said is, ‘Oh, sorry Rurik and DESERT FOX, I misinterpreted your comments and then lashed out like a butt-hurt banshee because I disapprove of you personally. Next time I’ll ask you to clarify before I make an ass of myself’.

    That would have been the proper response. 😉

    • Replies: @RobinG
  149. APilgrim says:

    ‘More than 1,000 media jobs lost in one day’, Sara Fischer, STORIES, 21 hours ago, 01/24/2019, https://www.axios.com/digital-media-layoffs-consolidation-continue-1548289098-d3bd0e23-aef7-4ad5-8778-428391e80ac8.html

    Verizon Media will cut roughly 800 jobs, or 7% of its global workforce across the organization, as well as certain brands and products. Verizon CEO Hans Vestberg told Axios earlier this month that each of the company’s three units, including the media business, needed to be able to stand on their own. Buzzfeed will cut roughly 250 jobs, or roughly 15% of its workforce, including jobs within its news division. Gannett cut over 20 jobs Wednesday, per Poynter, with more expected as the company tries to shed costs amid buyout talks.

  150. Rurik says:
    @David William Pear

    Sounds sensible.

    does it?

    or are you (pathetically) pandering to your amen corner?

    Let me ask you this..

    You sound reasonable on the issue of America’s demented, and even down-right evil foreign policy.

    But have you ever bothered to connect the dots to discover why the ZUSA is engaged in Eternal Wars for Israel? Why we relentlessly menace Iran?

    Have you ever made the cognitive connections necessary to discern that we are engaged in Eternal Wars for Israel because Jewish supremacists own and control our media? And Israel agents have subverted our institutions towards these nefarious ends?

    Or is that a bridge too far for your liberal sensibilities?

  151. @No equivocation

    Freedom of the press sounds like a noble principle

    Sounds good. Appeals to the sense of equality. Just like “All men are created equal”.
    But.

    On further analysis, both are equally flawed concepts. Wishful thinking.

    Originally, the press was to be free from government coercion. Nobody thought that the government should be protected from the press. After all, they could be trusted to ferret out truth, and report to the people. Naivete knows no limits.

    It would be accurate to state that nothing that has ever been printed, was or is, perfectly truthful and accurate. Mostly because of the inexactitude and ambiguity of the meaning of words.

    And then there are those who are evil, who distort the truth of events for their own evil purposes.

    In a way what happened recently is good. The Catholic schoolboys and, indeed, the country are made more aware of the sinister motives of America’s evil communication controllers. The very definition of “education”.

    So what happens now? Wash, Rinse, Repeat?

  152. @onebornfree

    So, journalists are not given any special rights in the US Constitution like you seemed to imply. There is no “especially journalists” with regards to our rights.

  153. Talha says:
    @wayfarer

    Uh hunh, and yet you cite a Zionist propaganda outfit like the Glazov Gang against Islam:

    (face palm) That woman doesn’t have issues with Islam – she doesn’t even know what Islamic doctrine is, from that video – she has “daddy issues” as in; “my daddy sold me to a guy when I was 13 for $50 and a bag of hashish…”

    Peace.

  154. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Jews like Soros are fanning yellow peril fears to distract people from Jewish Power.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  155. wayfarer says:
    @Talha

    With all due respect, if in its various forms Abrahamism encompassed sufficient wisdom, one would think after 2700 years our western world would be in a state of love / light, by now. Yet we continue to be steeped within hatred / darkness.

    Abrahamism seems to have failed, as it has not adequately supplied humanity with one primary principle, forgiveness.

    I’ve failed too, as many acts of forgiveness seem unattainable for me, although I do continue trying, to pull myself higher.

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

    • Replies: @Talha
  156. APilgrim says:
    @Anon

    Soros, ChiCOMs & Muhammadans are existential threats to The Republic.

    Russia, Israel, KSA, UK, & EU are merely adversaries.

  157. @Anon

    No I am a socialist….not a fake socialist like Bernie or whatshername. As a real socialist I don’t see any racial divide between white, brown, or black. If “this woman” were a white US American I would be just as outraged….unless of course if it were somebody like Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchell, Christiane Amanpour, or some stooge of their ilk.

  158. @Wally

    Finkelstein says that his mother asked: “with all the holocaust survivors, who did Hitler kill”?

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  159. @Talha

    I agree, it is bs. Has nothing to do with Islam, per se.

  160. JLK says:

    Moral issues aside, an informational climate of deceit probably reduces national competitiveness by eroding the cognitive capacity of the population, even if the lies are plausible enough to pass initial muster and just gnaw at the subconscious.

    To say nothing about the psychological quality of life of the masses.

  161. David says:
    @pensword

    My point is that the woman can eat what’s presented to her without sin according to the authority that she declares herself submitted to: Islam. That she is living on crackers was a belabored and phony point intended to increase her perceived victimhood.

    What legal precedents exist in a country she isn’t a part of is irrelevant to the relationship between her and her god.

    • Replies: @pensword
  162. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    is that an apology …. ?

    Hell no.

    Funny you’re lashing out like a butt-hurt banshee when your sloppiness is revealed.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  163. Reportedly all she has been able to eat is crackers, because the government is not respecting her religious dietary requirements.

    Why didn’t she turn it into an opportunity to fast? She was held 10 days? Not that long for a fast.
    I have known people who have done 30 day water only fasts for religious reasons.

  164. Talha says:
    @wayfarer

    Abrahamism seems to have failed

    That’s fine if that’s your position. Nothing else seems to have brought about utopia either. If you have something better, promote it.

    Look, I’ve got no problems with criticisms of Islam, but at least don’t cite some random Zionist-associated, Israel-loving organization called the “Glazov Gang” as your source:

    I mean, you are basically doing free propaganda for Israel and the we-gotta-invade-Iran-to-free-their-women crowd.

    The woman knows barely anything about Islam other than she says she was sold by her father for some guy for $50 and hashish or something. I honestly have doubts in her story; has anyone cared to do a background check on her? You know these guys creep out of the woodwork when you can get paid to do speeches bashing Islam – like this dork:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @wayfarer
  165. Talha says:
    @Talha

    I want you to note Jamie Glazov’s stand…if you simply speak (not wage war, mind you) against Israel, you are evil in his eyes.

    Again, anyone is welcome to believe any source they feel like on the subject of Islam, I’m just letting people know what the background of these propaganda outfits are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  166. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    when your sloppiness is revealed.

    the only thing revealed is your crass pettiness

  167. @pensword

    “Your argument would sound better if American correctional institutions had no history of accommodating religiously prescribed dietary practices of inmates, as per the First Amendment.”

    There is nothing in the First Amendment that refers to special dietary accommodation.

    Hiding behind religious beliefs to acquire special treatment is nothing new. In typical fashion, for those such as yourself, instead of being thankful that accommodations have been made for your beliefs, you whine and cry for ever more privileges.

    Shut up already. Fatty looks like she could have missed a meal or ten anyway.

    • Replies: @pensword
  168. @Wally

    Massive contradictions everywhere.

    The Tanakh is full of contradictions as well. It must be something genetic with the high IQ perpetual viktumz who aren’t smart enough to avoid viktumhood.

    At least they’re consistent!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  169. @jacques sheete

    Anyway, back to the article.

    Another day, another outrage. And so it goes in de gulag; madness on steroids.

    How disgusting does it have to get before the whole stinking thing implodes?

  170. pensword says:
    @David

    What legal precedents exist in a country she isn’t a part of is irrelevant to the relationship between her and her god.

    1. She’s an American citizen. As such, she is implicitly “part of” this country.
    2. Whether she’s an American citizen or not, under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, she’s entitled to the aforementioned accommodation and, contrary to what you imagine, legal precedent in American federal courts is relevant to the exercise of her religion, which is but an expression of “the relationship between her and her God.”

    Whether or not she can eat otherwise haram food in a circumstance where she’d otherwise starve to death is the actual irrelevancy here.

    In a country that purports to distinguish itself among others for its protection of religious liberty, the mere fact that she has to confront this indignity is shameful. Hers is a principled reaction to a demonstrable offense against both her religious exercise and Constitutional law itself.

    You appear to be upset only because she’s taking such a stand. Either that, or you miss the point entirely.

    • Replies: @David
    , @David William Pear
  171. @Wally

    “Why do you say he’d ‘be a slave to Hitler’?
    Do you even know why, or are you just saying what you are told to say?”

    He pretends to be anti-state, and not realizing that the long suffering Germans were fighting for their lives not only against the most extensive empires in the world, but against the hideous Bolshies and their deranged money bag supporters and a tribe that publicly declared war on Germany upon Hitler’s ascension into power, swallows nearly century-old war propaganda as the truth, and even propagates disgusting Bolshie inspired smears.

    As this article shows, this country is in no position to point fingers at anyone else. Its record is even more atrocious than it’s hypocrisy.

    Thank you UR, and the Mr Pear.

  172. wayfarer says:
    @Talha

    I found the Anni Cyrus story compelling, yet didn’t realize until you mentioned it and upon taking a closer look at this Jamie Glazov Gang, I’d wandered into a Zionist minefield.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

    I’ll admit, at this point in time I am 100% down on Zionism/Judaism, given its extremely self-serving nature.

    I don’t consider myself a Christian, although I adhere to many of its core values. It would be beautiful if both Muslims and Christians could cultivate a common respect for one another’s ideologies, and ultimately coexist in absolute peace.

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    , @Talha
  173. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Judaism and Islam are barely different enough to be different. The latter is a creation of the former, using its footprint to build an almost identical house next door.

    Both have a damned apocalyptic, utopian theology that has brought more misery and suffering to this world than everything else combined (and really only contagious disease is competitive).

    I’m not further studied on Islamism, but Judaism is explicitly genocidal for all other nations when it isn’t merely willing to be slavers for all other nations but itself.

    Anyone who defends either of these religions is either deceptive or ignorant. Theological utopianism will be the death of this wold, which is ironically reflective of the language that the Jews use to describe their utopia. The price has been continuously paid for their monstrous psychotic group-delusion, with more to come.

    • Replies: @Talha
  174. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Judaism and Islam are barely different enough to be different.

    Thanks for your opinion – 1.6 billion people think otherwise.

    that has brought more misery and suffering to this world than everything else combined

    More opinions – thanks!

    Anyone who defends either of these religions is either deceptive or ignorant.

    I’m a Muslim – sue me.

    Theological utopianism will be the death of this wold

    Probably. Daesh tried to create their own utopia in Iraq/Syria. Those who attempt to force their version of paradise on Earth will likely make it a hell for everyone else.

    Thankfully, I don’t believe you can achieve utopia on Earth. Earth is Earth, Paradise is Paradise. To assume one is the other is a category error.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Heros
  175. APilgrim says:
    @wayfarer

    Obviously the product of public schools.

  176. Talha says:
    @wayfarer

    I found the Anni Cyrus story compelling

    I didn’t say it wasn’t compelling – I thought it was quite dramatic – a bit too much for my tastes…

    “My father, who is a shaykh (married to my mother, who is a Qur’an teacher), sold me to a guy in his 30’s when I was 13 for $50 and some hashish (that my shaykh-dad used up).”

    Very dramatic! Almost Oscar-level!

    I’d wandered into a Zionist minefield.

    Big time – here are some more – all run by the same umbrella organization:
    https://www.davidhorowitzfreedomcenter.org/

    It would be beautiful if both Muslims and Christians could cultivate a common respect for one another’s ideologies, and ultimately coexist in absolute peace.

    Love it! Let’s make it happen!

    Peace.

    • LOL: APilgrim
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @anonymous
  177. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    It would be beautiful if both Muslims and Christians could cultivate a common respect for one another’s ideologies, and ultimately coexist in absolute peace.

    Love it! Let’s make it happen!

    Agree!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  178. APilgrim says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik & Talha are obviously monumental fools.

    1,300 years of mortal combat is NOT going to cease as a result of their Pollyannaish gullibility.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @pensword
    , @Rurik
  179. Talha says:
    @APilgrim

    Definitely not with that attitude…

    Peace.

  180. tac says:
    @Rurik

    Rurik:

    I’ve posted a few videos of this guy at UR, he is Patrick Little (who ran for US Senate seat in California this past year against Diane Feinstein, and who is currently running for President of the US on the Democratic ticket…this is his website). Some say he is controlled opposition, but the jury is still out on that. If you need reference just let me know I will will show you what I’ve posted here on him. BTW he served as US marine.

    As far as AfD walkout on Charlotte Knowbloch:

    Charlotte Knobloch, President of the Jewish Community of Munich and Upper Bavaria, directly attacked the AFD: “Today and here a party is represented that […] downplays the crimes of the National Socialists and maintains close ties to the extreme right-wing milieu.” The party bases its policy on hatred and exclusion and “not only for me is not on the ground of our Constitution”.

    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/knobloch-kritik-an-der-afd-abgeordnete-verlassen-gedenkfeier,RFyC3en

    https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-afd-lawmakers-walk-out-of-holocaust-commemoration-in-bavaria/a-47205345

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/german-far-right-lawmakers-walk-out-on-holocaust-survivor-s-speech-1.6869891

    • Replies: @Rurik
  181. pensword says:
    @APilgrim

    1,300 years of mortal combat is NOT going to cease

    For the vast majority of that time, Christians and muslims were NOT engaged in mortal combat between themselves. For a much longer period of time, muslims introduced Europe to capitalism.

  182. pensword says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    There is nothing in the First Amendment that refers to special dietary accommodation.

    Nor did I claim otherwise. You’re welcome to try and understand my words again if they confused you the first time. You’ll have to go back and read them again, though.

    Hiding behind religious beliefs to acquire special treatment is nothing new.

    That you characterize assertion of one’s right to free exercise of religion as “hiding” tells us more about yourself than it does the religious practitioner. You obviously don’t seem to care much for one of the most important principles upon which the American republic was founded.

    In typical fashion, for those such as yourself, instead of being thankful that accommodations have been made for your beliefs, you whine and cry for ever more privileges.

    When I visited correctional institutions years ago as a member of an outreach program, I was extremely thankful for those institutions’ accommodation of our brothers’ religious practice. I’m still grateful for it, as are they.

    Nope. No whining and crying for ever more privileges here.

    Shut up already.

    No, thanks. I’ll continue to respond as I please. You’re more than welcome to do so as well.

    Carry on.

  183. pensword says:
    @Bombercommand

    Melanie Franklin was not “manhandled”, she was arrested on a valid warrant(she would be “handled” by female officers)and detained in a hotel room where she enjoyed the company of her children.

    Source please.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  184. pensword says:

    Congratulations, Mr. Pear.

    You really got under the skin of the commentariat’s crypto-zionists. That RT and Press TV must be forced to register under FARA tells us everything we need to know about the character of America’s Deep State.

    • Replies: @David William Pear
  185. Heros says:
    @Talha

    Mohammed was illiterate. When he transcribed “the word of god” onto the Koran, he used the best scholars he could get his hands on… Jews. Could he verify what they were writing? What about symbols and numerology and other magick, did Mohammed check for that?

    This is why the two religions are so similar and so toxic to Christians and Europeans. Islam was subsumed by jews before it ever got started. But don’t feel bad, these guys brought down the Bourbon, Habsburg, Hohenzollern and the Romanov empires, and murdered millions of their Christian subjects while they were at it. They have also subverted the Catholic church and the vast majority of Protestant branches as well.

    Can an athiest, or even devout Christian, European civilization survive with as part of the Umma? We can look to how Christians have done with Muslims in their midst throughout history, and the record is just as clear as living with jews. Whites become slaves and second class citizens, devoid of power or sovereignty.

    I wish jews, muslims and blacks no harm. I wish them prosperity and happiness. But I don’t want them anywhere near me, my family, or my community. Every Synogogue and Mosque across Europe should be shut down immediately.

    We should treat Moslems and Jews in Europe and the US precisely the way they treat white Christians in Israel, Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MEexpert
  186. Talha says:
    @Heros

    Mohammed was illiterate.

    OK.

    When he transcribed “the word of god” onto the Koran

    The Qur’an’s main method of preservation has always been oral transmission. The written form is simply a crutch and it was written down by those of his Companions (ra) that could write; its’s called dictation.

    Islam was subsumed by jews before it ever got started.

    I find these theories entertaining. I do. Actually, this was proposed by the late Patricia Crone as “Hagarism” – no one takes it seriously any more (not even her protege, Prof. Robert Hoyland), but you can feel free to.

    Can an athiest, or even devout Christian, European civilization survive with as part of the Umma?

    Sure, there have been rules for dhimmah since the beginning of the religion (definitely within the more accommodating rules of the Hanafi school). I mean, we actually still have certain original pagan strains within certain Islamic lands (for instance the Yazidis and Kalash people) – they’ve been there for centuries. What happened to Europe’s original pagans? Oh, wait…
    https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/interview-converting-by-the-sword

    Whites become slaves and second class citizens, devoid of power or sovereignty.

    The Ottoman elite were White. Muhammad Ali, an Albanian, was in charge of on of their most important regions, Egypt. Islam is not an ethnicity – it is a religion. Whites are just as welcome as anyone else.

    Every Synogogue and Mosque across Europe should be shut down immediately.

    That’s fine, their are legal ways to do this. The West simply has to drop the virtue-signaling that it is secular and accommodates all religions equally. It will be quite hilarious if this happens and while Europe closes down all its mosques, Christian churches remain open in places like Jordan and Tunisia:
    https://www.google.com/maps/search/church+tunisia/@36.0033155,9.194267,8z/data=!3m1!4b1

    Imagine Europe trying to lecture the Muslim world on religious freedom then? The collective laughter from the Muslim world will be deafening.

    Also, you forgot Black churches. Since you mentioned you don’t want blacks around, will their churches also be shuttered?

    We should treat Moslems and Jews…and South Africa.

    This contradicts your earlier claim that you wish “jews, muslims and blacks no harm” – unless you don’t know how Whites are being treated in South Africa.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @pensword
    , @RobinG
    , @Heros
  187. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    [Very dramatic! Almost Oscar-level!]

    Only ignorant, illiterate believe in Zionist propaganda. Only illiterate people who know shit about films and Art and history make such a remark.
    These ignorant people have NO knowledge of history, or Artistic values and are molded by the zionist propaganda film industry, directors, actors and stooges such as Ben Affleck where made the zionist propaganda film, Argo, where was historically false, artistically trash, but it was given an ‘oscar’ which is CIA reward, void of any artistic value. The ‘oscar’ was presented to this zionist propaganda film by the criminal Obama family, Michelle, who WAS HALF NAKED, AND SURROUNDED BY the NAVY CRIMINALS at the WH.

    This film was made by the zionist and MI6 propaganda crew, and filmed in the occupied land, ISRAEL.
    I am sure Sally Fields is embarrassed about her role in order to earn few $$$$ for a propaganda film for Mossad and MI6 . No Iranian ACTOR was involved in this MI6-CIA-Mossad propaganda film void of any artistic value, forget about the facts.

  188. @pensword

    Carefully read comment 145, also comment 147 and 148. All you and your “brothers” here are accomplishing is to convince any sane and rational reader that “islam” is a mental illness, a nauseating monomania leading to paranoid psychosis. But this is a not peculiar to islam, it is a common trait of all 4 abrahamic cults(satanism, judaism, christianity, islam).

    • Replies: @pensword
  189. pensword says:
    @Talha

    Islam was subsumed by jews before it ever got started.

    This is much like claiming that “Judaism was subsumed by pagans before it ever got started.” It bears the veneer of plausibility because monotheism predated Jacob’s patriarchy among “pagan” folk and, upon superficial analysis, appears to be a “borrowed” worldview. Yet relegating Judaism as manifest by Moses to a “pagan heresy” demands quite a bit of creative license.

    Some folk here don’t seem to know that the mere existence of The Bible in its written form is, of itself, extraordinary, particularly since, for many centuries, Scribes and Pharisees successfully withheld any written record of scripture from anyone other than themselves, including temple congregants. The Bible itself, and all of its content, was a province restricted solely to Jewish religious authorities. It could not have been otherwise.

    • Replies: @Talha
  190. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Christian churches remain open in places like Jordan and Tunisia

    Don’t forget Syria!

    • Replies: @pensword
  191. pensword says:
    @Bombercommand

    I read your comments. You have yet to provide a source for your claims about her detention in a “hotel” and your disbelief concerning the removal of her hijab and dietary impositions is nothing more than rank denial. Hardly substantive.

    More importantly, arguing for the legality of detaining a material witness is a strawman. More relevant is the subjective application of such law in this instance, an application which betrays the influence of Israel ~ the most deleterious foreign agent ~ over American government. Israel’s anti-Iran psychosis is legendary and your own disposition dovetails nicely with it, however much you attempt to pave it over with equal-opportunity offense.

  192. pensword says:
    @RobinG

    Don’t forget Syria!

    Or Egypt, or Lebanon, or Turkey, or Palestine, or Iran.

    • Replies: @Avery
  193. Avery says:
    @pensword

    {…or Turkey, }

    You are misinformed.

    Asia Minor was pretty close to 100% Christian before savage nomadic Muslim Turk hordes invaded from East and Central Asia (aka Uguristan).
    Now there are hardly any Christians left in their ancestral homelands.
    Courtesy of the Genocide of Christians at the hands of Muslim Turks and their Muslim Kurd helpers (alongside with other assorted Islamist mass murderers of various ethnicities). About 4 million Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians, and Christian Pontic Greeks were subjected to Genocide by Muslim invaders.
    Of course the Genocide of 1915-1923 was the coup de grâce after centuries of depredations by Muslim invaders. Christians were systematically ethnically cleansed, massacred, robbed,….by Muslim Turk savages over centuries.
    As to churches still remaining in Turkey: thousands of Armenian churches were demolished by Muslim Turk invaders over centuries, or converted to mosques, or to barns. And Turk IslamoFascists are still clamoring to convert the Hagia Sophia into a mosque.

    Egypt: indigenous Coptic Christians have been reduced to a minority in their own homeland by nomadic Muslim Arab hordes that invaded Egypt.

    Lebanon: was largely Christian, hardly a surprise there would be churches in Lebanon. No?

    Syria: yes there are churches in Syria. But Syria is nominally Muslim. They are not virulent.
    In fact Syria sheltered survivors of the AG: Syrian Armenians are eternally grateful and have contributed to the betterment of Syria. Although majority Sunni, Syria has been largely ruled by Alawite (Shia) strongmen, who have crushed the radical Islamists any chance they got.

    Iran: Iranians/Persians are highly civilized people, going back to their Zoroastrian times. Iranian (Shia) Islam has been quite tolerant of Christianity. When Shah Abbas was warring with Ottoman Turk invaders, he moved several hundred thousand Armenians from Armenia to deny the Turks the use of the resources therein. The move was harsh, and anywhere from 30%-50% of those forcibly moved died on the way. But the Shah built new towns and new Churches in Iran to ease the pain, and on pain of death forbade the local Islamist agitators from harming the Armenians in any way.

    • Replies: @pensword
  194. Talha says:
    @pensword

    demands quite a bit of creative license.

    Which is why I stated that I find it quite entertaining.

    I have to empathize with some people though. I mean, if your starting premise is “Islam must be false” then you basically have to discard most of the Islamic narrative that comes from the people the Hijaz themselves. There is no counter narrative from people that were witnesses to any events at that time in that area. As Patricia Crone stated, that region was “terra incognita”; quite outside of the Persian and Byzantine empires.

    Once you discard that narrative (from the Arabs themselves), the doors are wide open to speculation – sure, there may not be serious evidence to back any rival theories up, but I guess it’s fun to imagine.

    The weird thing is the epistemological bind people find themselves in. For instance, the person I was responding to stated that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate – OK, but who reported that information in the first place other than the Arabs themselves? If that information is considered reliable, then…

    Wa salaam.

  195. Heros says:
    @Talha

    “The Qur’an’s main method of preservation has always been oral transmission.”

    https://www.thoughtco.com/compilation-of-the-quran-2004545

    “As the Quran was being revealed, the Prophet Muhammad made special arrangements to ensure that it was written down. Although the Prophet Muhammad himself could neither read nor write, he dictated the verses orally and instructed scribes to mark down the revelation on whatever materials were available: tree branches, stones, leather, and bones. The scribes would then read their writing back to the Prophet, who would check it for mistakes. With each new verse that was revealed, the Prophet Muhammad also dictated its placement within the growing body of text.

    When the Prophet Muhammad died, the Quran had been fully written down. It was not in book form, however. It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet.”

    “Sure, there have been rules for dhimmah since the beginning of the religion (definitely within the more accommodating rules of the Hanafi school). I mean, we actually still have certain original pagan strains within certain Islamic lands”

    They were allowed to exist as second class citizens and slaves with no sovereignty. Isn’t Islam great for Christians, you even get to pay that extra jizya tax to keep your head on your neck, just don’t whine when you get whipped.

    “The Ottoman elite were White”

    Not white Christian, more likely Donmeh and Cryptos, or Pasha’s born from white slave mothers. Of course, the castrated Eunuchs and Janissaries were also white Europeans. Most of the useful slaves too.

    But the real point is how crassly you ignore all of what Europeans see everyday in their cities, how Muslims treat Christians, how Muslims treat Muslims. Sure, in a few remote parts of the Ottoman empire some Christian sects were allowed to remain, as long as they paid sufficient tribute, provided conscripts and never tried to revolt. How often did Moslem rulers invite Chritians to invade their cities and impregnate their women?

    You clearly want to ignore what Islam represents for the majority of people suffering under it. It is clear that Moslems been streaming north to Christian Europe for decades not because Islam is so great, not because they like Christians. These people were so desperate to escape from the cesspool that Islam creates that they illegally head north into the heart of Christianity that they clearly despise, just the same as the blacks desperate to escape Black Africa.

    The remaining Christians in the Middle East attend Churches that were built BEFORE MOHAMMED on lands that were Christian! They are tolerant Christians bother no one.

    Try to compare that to North African or Middle Eastern Moslems in Europe. Demanding welfare, accosting and raping white women, knifing white people, demanding Sharia law, minarets, government paid imams.

    There is absolutely no comparison to the behavior of Christians in Moslem lands and Moslems in Christian lands. It tells the entire story, and exposes your sweet lies.

    And don’t try to slough it off with “Jews do it too”.

    • Replies: @Talha
  196. anonymoys says:
    @David William Pear

    Finkelstein’s hero is the great “scholar” Raul Hilberg.

    Finkelstein believes that Robert Faurisson wasn’t a scholar.

    Finkelstein’s greatest hero is that buffoon aka the “greatest intellectual alive.” : Noam Chomsky.

    Yes, Norman Finkelstein is a man of courage, he cares about the Palestinians and he lost his job etc…

    But the fact of matter is: Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein (admirers of that great “socialist” –Bernie Sanders) – are all believers of the official narrative. Be it the “official religion”, 9/11, Syria etc…

    In my book, Robert Faurisson was a radical and a man of great courage and integrity.

    Finkelstein, although he might not know it, is a poseur.

  197. David says:
    @pensword

    If you read the passage, the test isn’t imminent starvation. But I really appreciate the trouble you took in your reply, finding citations, etc. We definitely disagree.

    • Replies: @pensword
  198. Talha says:
    @Heros

    It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet.

    Nothing in this contradicts what I stated; the preservation of the Qur’an has primarily been oral and the written form was always secondary. If you understand that the entire Qur’an is liturgy and recited in prayers, then you will know why it is that we have preserved not only its content, but its variant recitations (which can only be preserved by oral transferal).

    They were allowed to exist as second class citizens and slaves with no sovereignty.

    Well, the slaves were slaves, yes. But yes, the ones that were free were second class citizens – why would the Muslims let Christians run their countries?

    extra jizya tax

    It’s not extra – it’s what is paid in lieu of zakat and also not having to commit any military service to the state – which is why only military age males paid it. Are military age males from among Christians and others supposed to be treated like their women and children and get protection from state without contribution (either militarily or financially)? Why? Do they have no self-respect?

    Not white Christian

    Well, yeah – they were White Muslim.

    and never tried to revolt

    Uh, yeah – why would that be tolerated?

    How often did Moslem rulers invite Chritians to invade their cities and impregnate their women?

    Not once I could think of – maybe Europeans could learn something from this in practical terms.

    These people were so desperate to escape from the cesspool that Islam creates

    Well, actually the latest batch of mass immigration was kind of the result of the West invading and tearing apart a bunch of relatively stable Middle Eastern countries – or maybe you haven’t heard of Iraq, Syria and Libya?

    The remaining Christians in the Middle East attend Churches that were built BEFORE MOHAMMED on lands that were Christian!

    Yeah, that’s what happens when you have an empire like Byzantium that can’t hold itself together – other people take it over.

    They are tolerant Christians bother no one.

    Well, depends on the situation. Lebanese Christian militias had no problem serving as shock troops for Israel during its invasion of Lebanon.

    Demanding welfare, accosting and raping white women, knifing white people, demanding Sharia law, minarets, government paid imams.

    OK – when did I ask people to tolerate bad behavior from Muslims in Europe? You have my permission to punish any perpetrators with extreme prejudice – we wouldn’t tolerate criminal behavior in Muslim lands, why should Europeans?

    There is absolutely no comparison to the behavior of Christians in Moslem lands and Moslems in Christian lands.

    Well depends, plenty of Christians in Muslim lands were rolling down downtown Baghdad in Abrams tanks until quite recently – so there’s that.

    But as far as Christian citizens of Muslim lands – yeah – because they know how we would handle any of them that tried to get out of line like that. Again, you could learn a little something from us. The solution is simple:
    1. Punish criminal behavior by any Muslims harshly (go Shariah on them – ask a Muslim scholar what we would do in the reverse situation and apply the same penalty – trust me, once a few people get executed and publicly crucified, behavior will change)
    2. Rinse
    3. Repeat
    4. And for the love of God, why are Europeans subsidizing their ghettos with welfare checks? I thought Whites had high-IQ and all that?

    It’s not rocket science.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @pensword
  199. pensword says:
    @Avery

    You are misinformed.

    Well, having escorted my own parents to a Catholic Church in Istanbul and seen numerous functional churches of varying denominations throughout Turkey, I’ll have to disagree with you. Bygone conflicts to which you allude weren’t the topic of discussion; they’re just a diversion from the fact that churches, both ancient and contemporary, are still active there and elsewhere throughout the muslim world.

    I’ve also lived in Cairo, where General Sisi recently dedicated a massive Coptic cathedral. The Copts’ minority status is no indication of their weakness. Much like American Jews, they hold significant influence. Heliopolis is teeming with Christians and they go about their business quite freely there.

    So, no, I’m not misinformed. I have actual experience that informs me, as opposed to strictly bookish knowledge.

    • Replies: @Talha
  200. pensword says:
    @David

    If you read the passage, the test isn’t imminent starvation.

    As someone who has studied classical commentary on the verse, it’s typically understood that way. This doesn’t make the commentary a straitjacket, but it’s broadly acknowledged that such provision may be consumed only in such dire circumstances.

    But I really appreciate the trouble you took in your reply, finding citations, etc.

    My pleasure.

    Fact is, what we’re discussing isn’t as important as the reality of Israeli influence underlying her detention. Even if she had been given halal food and not compelled to remove her hijab, using her as a pawn to coerce Press TV’s FARA registration while giving the Israel lobby a free pass is the real crime.

  201. Talha says:
    @pensword

    I’ve been to Egypt and Cairo myself. The Coptic community has their own enclaves, many of them receiving extra security from the government (as they should until the extremist problem is more under control).

    The historical point regarding Egypt is that it was quite invaded by Muslim Arab hordes, who of course – which is the bit that is usually left out – wrested it from the clutches of invading European hordes (since the Roman garrisons or government or settlements were not native to Egypt and the Copts were quite happy to get rid of them). In fact the Copts themselves record that the Coptic Patriarch, Benjamin, was so happy to be let back into Alexandria (who was exiled by the Byzantines) by Amr Ibn al-Aas (ra) that he prayed for him when ‘Amr told him something along the lines of; “now we’re going to go kick some more Roman butt up and down North Africa, so pray for us.” So he praised Amr (ra) and prayed for his success.
    The Coptic Papacy in Islamic Egypt (American Univ. Cairo Press)

    Do the Copts have buyer’s remorse fourteen centuries from then? Possibly, but there is little doubt they preferred the initial Muslim rulers to the Byzantines.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @pensword
  202. pensword says:
    @Talha

    They were allowed to exist as second class citizens and slaves with no sovereignty.

    Even Bernard Lewis claimed that the status of slaves in the muslim world was superior to their condition elsewhere.

    Today’s generation has been brainwashed into believing that all slavery throughout the history of the world necessitated subjecting servants to torturous labor, capricious abuse and brutal punishment upon the slightest insubordination. They’re ever so grateful to live in a free land, where mind-nourishing pabulum is generously offered among any one of 5,342 channels for exceptionally low annual fees, you can speak your mind openly without the slightest repercussions for so doing and sacrifice more money to federal and State government than any serf ever paid to his despotic overlord in the bad old days of feudalism. What a fantastically free society we live in.

    Heros asserts that, historically, Christians enjoyed “second-class” citizenship in muslim lands while ignoring the fact that their non-Christian contemporaries in Europe enjoyed no citizenship whatsoever. It was the radical distinction of Islamic governance in Andalusia that ignited the spark of the Renaissance, which eventually led to the Reformation and Enlightenment.

    The quality of trolls in these threads leaves much to be desired.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
    , @Heros
  203. pensword says:
    @Talha

    Do the Copts have buyer’s remorse fourteen centuries from then?

    “And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor will the Christians, until you follow their creed.”

    If you spend enough time in a predominantly Christian neighborhood, you’ll become familiar with anti-Islam provocations soon enough, particularly during Ramadan. Those conflagrations which lead to heightened security aren’t merely the by-product of extremists among us, though the extremists do pour fuel on the fire.

    • Replies: @Talha
  204. anonymoys says:
    @pensword

    ” It was the radical distinction of Islamic governance in Andalusia that ignited the spark of the Renaissance, which eventually led to the Reformation and Enlightenment.”

    Which eventually led to american “revolution”, french revolution, russian revolution, Hitler and israel etc…and to the world being ruled by a zio-mafia.

    So, Bernard Lewis and other “scholars” were right all along : The problem of today’s world is islam.

    • Replies: @pensword
  205. Talha says:
    @pensword

    Even Bernard Lewis claimed that the status of slaves in the muslim world was superior to their condition elsewhere.

    As a general statement, this has a lot of merit – Ronald Segal, who wrote “Islam’s Black Slaves” – made a similar observation. Muslims learned the hard way during the Zanj Rebellion. Of course, the institution of slavery was quite varied over time and place. In certain instances, the slaves were thoroughly mistreated (like the Barbary pirates and their cruel galley slavery) while in other places, they were the elite of society (like the many sultanates established by the Mamluk warrior-elite slaves) – so it really depends.

    trolls

    I’ve interacted with Avery, so I know he isn’t a troll – he just hates Turks. As far as Heros, I haven’t interacted with him much, but I tend to give people leeway when it comes to their comments on Islam. Much of what people know about Islam is through distorted information – it doesn’t surprise me they hold such views.

    If you spend enough time in a predominantly Christian neighborhood, you’ll become familiar with anti-Islam provocations soon enough, particularly during Ramadan.

    Very, very interesting. I’m more for leaving people generally alone in their own enclaves/areas and not bothering with them. But if they do these provocations in Muslim areas, then there is still no need for a mob mentality or violence (even if people get upset) – just process things through the court system and dish out punishment as per legal code.

    Wa salaaam.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @pensword
  206. Heros says:
    @pensword

    “Heros asserts that, historically, Christians enjoyed “second-class” citizenship in muslim lands while ignoring the fact that their non-Christian contemporaries in Europe enjoyed no citizenship whatsoever.

    It was the radical distinction of Islamic governance in Andalusia that ignited the spark of the Renaissance, which eventually led to the Reformation and Enlightenment.”

    What a load of talmudic hogwash, including the troll slurs.

    These were Christians lands that had conquered by Moslim’s and the majority of Christians were enslaved and murdered. They had been prospering for centuries before the jews sent their murdering turbaned stooges to steal and destroy everything.

    Andalusia was conquered by moslems let through the gates by the same jews that had already corrupted the Visigoths in preparation for this event. Once the Moslems invaded, they appropriated everything the Christians had built, including their art, women, technology and land. The great Mosque in Cordoba was originally a Church, just like the Sophia.

    Please don’t confuse the profits Muslims made plundering other civilizations on behalf of the jews, who continually opened the gates for the Moslems, as some kind of cultural equivalency, let alone superiority. I mean we see exactly this kind of theft of cultural heritage going on now. Blacks and Moslems are fighting over who founded Britain and whose Wakanda is greater.

    • Replies: @Talha
  207. Talha says:
    @Heros

    the majority of Christians were enslaved and murdered.

    This is actually hogwash there is no serious historian that states anything like this. The vast majority of the earliest conquests took place out in the battlefield (thanks to the arrogant ineptitude of the Byzantines) who thought they could best the Arabs in open combat. Their delusions were crushed again and again. What they should have done is force the Arabs to lay siege to the cities, something the Arabs had little skill in. But no, the Arabs were able to get them to commit large scale troop formations out in the field that were completely annihilated (many battles ended up like Cannae). The cities were left with small garrisons and little choice to negotiate surrender under terms.

    I suggest reading up on the subject through serious military historians:

    As far as Jews in Spain, hell yes they wanted Muslims to take over – the Visigoths were forcibly baptizing them:
    “Even that last vestige of toleration of Judaism evaporated in 638 CE when the Sixth Council of Toledo reaffirmed the policy of forcibly baptizing all Iberian Jews. In fact, Toledo VI went far beyond Sisbut’s policy, not only advocating mandatory baptism, but declaring that the king’s right to rule was dependent on his working to eradicate Judaism…”

    https://www.pdx.edu/honors/sites/www.pdx.edu.honors/files/11.%20Phillips%20Ess

    “The Sixth Council of Toledo confirmed the canons of the Fourth Council. King Chintila
    committed himself not to allow anyone who is not Catholic to live in the kingdom. Moreover, a converts were obliged to make a profession of faith (placitum). Moreover, baptised Jews were blamed for any apostates found in their families. They were to kill their relapsed relatives by themselves in public….The Ninth Council of Toledo ordered converted Jews to spend all Jewish and Christian holy days in the presence of a bishop so as to prove the veracity of their faith.”

    http://www.nnet.gr/historein/historeinfiles/histvolumes/hist06/historein6-benveniste.pdf

    As far as conquest, this basically summarizes your position:

    If Christian Europeans want to all go back to Europe and leave the Americas and Australia and any other place they conquered and colonized, maybe Muslims will think about returning lands back to a non-existent empire. Otherwise if you want to guilt trip people at least don’t be a hypocrite, that’s simply not respectable.

    If you don’t want Muslims in the West, fine – just don’t make up a bunch of stuff in history to try to make your point.

    • Replies: @pensword
  208. pensword says:
    @anonymoys

    LOL! All logical fallacies aside …

    Historical epochs closely subsequent to the Andalusian, as well as to the introduction of capitalism to Europe, are a better indication of Islam’s more immediate influence upon the continent. Islam certainly isn’t responsible for the works of Da Vinci or Martin Luther, but it did assist Europe in casting off an oppressive variety of political administration and introducing an ethos of greater liberty.

    You can keep your Dark Age fantasies, thank you. I’m not interested.

  209. Heros says:

    I am sorry, I am not going to get into some pissing match with a Moslem about how great Moslems treat Christians after they have been conquered. We have the behavior of ISIS to show us the truth.

    On your map, you use the Russian empire as an example of Christian colonization. I don’t think that this is a reasonable case to use, since the Russian empire conquered Muslim lands and then allowed Muslims to exist un-molested. Not as second class citizens to Christians, by the way. And not dead, impressed or castrated.

    But here’s the thing about your never ending deflection from Muslim duplicity by pointing at “European guilt”. It was the creators of Mohammed, the jews, who did most of that evil colonization. The English and Dutch trading companies were in reality jew run. Slave stations across Africa were the business of jews and moslems. From the opium dens in China to the slave ships plying the atlantic to the slave markets in Arabia: Jews. Sassoon from Baghdad single handedly destroyed China.

    Yes, the jews and their usury took over what was the US Republic and the English Crown. We can see that the jews have done to the US exactly what Hitler said they would. But then again SA, the Emirates, Jordan and all the Arabia are no less jew colonies than all of Europe.

    But it doesn’t change one critical point that you consistently gloss over: Christians are not risking their lives to get into Moslem countries. And don’t pull that crap about war, Moraccans, Turks and Egyptians want to get into Europe because Christians make better countries. Christians want to escape muslim countries because they suck.

    • Replies: @Talha
  210. Heros says:
    @Heros

    Today is the second anniversary of laVoy’s murder by FBI:

  211. Heros says:
    @Heros

    Oh crap, it been 3 years since the FBI murdered Finicum in cold blood, not 2.

  212. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    As far as Heros…… I tend to give people leeway …

    Look at comment #14, perhaps you’ll feel a little less generous. If he isn’t dumb as a post, he’s purposely lying about Marzieh. Isn’t that trolling?

    • Replies: @Heros
    , @Talha
  213. Heros says:
    @RobinG

    Why don’t your address your comment to me? No, I don’t think that I am as dumb as a post, but I do have one thing up on you: I am a man who thinks rationally.

    What is your problem with my comment about Marzieh? I know nothing about her, except that she is a mulatto wearing a slave scarve and that for some reason she is important. Important to you, I guess, but not to me. You see, as I wrote, the FBI is already executing white males who happen to make themselves inconvenient. If you are awake, you would also know that the FBI routinely commits terrorist acts against Americans and Foreigners. They have helped to assassinate presidents. Now you may proclaim that anybody who doesn’t think the same way as you to be “dumb as a post”, but if you don’t want to look “dumb as a post” you had better back it up with something.

    Where’s your beef? Or will you simply scurry off to the powder room to adjust your burka?

  214. pensword says:
    @Talha

    Nicely done, ma sha ALLAH.

    Cities of Light: The Rise and Fall of Islamic Spain puts the lie to Heros’s spin. I don’t partake much of film these days, but it’s worth at least one viewing.

    Glaringly absent from Heros’s rant is any mention of the Visigoth’s religious coercion, of which you provide good examples. He seems to think it trivial that religious liberty was essentially non-existent in the Iberian Peninsula before the muslims arrived.

  215. pensword says:
    @Talha

    I’ve interacted with Avery, so I know he isn’t a troll – he just hates Turks.

    Avery’s comments were a clear diversion from my own, an obvious, entirely unwarranted attempt at provocation. For some folk ~ particularly Armenians and Greeks ~ hating Turks is a favorite pastime. Arabs also enjoy their fair share of Turk bashing, and it appears to be fashionable among other muslims as well. Turks are a convenient whipping boy.

    Too often we’re situated in apology mode where none is due. No, I don’t agree with the historical excesses of muslims, but I’m not obliged to feel regret for them either. Sins of the father, and all that.

    It’s a new day. Churches still thrive throughout the muslim world and mosques still thrive in America in spite of a concerted zionist effort to “let you and him fight.” That’s something for which we should praise God.

    If Avery can’t appreciate that and wants to introduce incitement into the discussion, by definition, he’s a troll. If he can control his temper and contribute something better, perhaps he isn’t.

    As for Heros, his latest response to you is proof that he isn’t interested in what you have to say, wending a madman’s trail of discursive distortions and outright lies. He appears to be a good foil by which to educate the rest of us ~ of whom there are but a few here ~ but it does him little good, if any.

    As per Cairo’s legal system, I have personal experience with this as well. While it may function well on many levels, judicial decisions can and have been corrupted by palm greasing. Unfortunately, the consequence of this is either to despair of effective worldly justice or vigilantism ~ or both.

    • Replies: @Talha
  216. MEexpert says:
    @Heros

    Mohammed was illiterate.

    Says you. If you are referring to the ayah in Quran then keep on reading. It also says that he will purify them and teach them book and wisdom. Do you expect an illiterate person to do all that. Personally, I don’t believe the “illiterate” translation of the word “Ummy” is correct. It has been used to lower his status and nothing else. Furthermore, would you trust an illiterate person to run your business. That is what he did. He used to lead business caravans for various people from Hijaz to Damascus.

    I can give you detailed answer if you wish. Some people have also translated the word ummy as unlettered. I don’t even buy that.

  217. @pensword

    Excellent explanation, Thank you.

  218. @pensword

    Thanks,

    I believe in the free marketplace of ideas, no matter how disagreeable or repulsive to others they may be. It just seems like a good idea that we not let the government go around arresting anybody they want to without due, and public, process.

    What crime could Marzieh Hashemi possibly have witnessed that it is so secret that the public (and maybe even the witness) is not allowed to know? I would still like to know what the supposed crime was.

    Almost all of this government secrecy is bs, including grand jury hearings.

    Regards,

    • Agree: tac
  219. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Wow – OK – I missed that doozy!

    Peace.

  220. Talha says:
    @pensword

    an obvious, entirely unwarranted attempt at provocation

    Well, in his defense, you did trigger him by saying something positive about the Turks.

    No, I don’t agree with the historical excesses of muslims, but I’m not obliged to feel regret for them either.

    I’m with you here. Anything historical Muslims did that is outside the bounds of the Shariah should get no support or defense from us, but neither should we feel guilty over something that some long dead generation did – they will answer for their crimes before God. If anything, things like the Armenian genocide simply make me hate the secular ethno-nationalism imported into the Muslim world by groups like the Young Turks even more.

    When people bring up many of these historical things (especially in hyperbole), it actually reminds me a lot of how groups like BLM and others operate. Because some White people in the past did some wrongs, now all subsequent Whites must be held to blame and can never be disassociated with those acts; they must rename their schools, roads, tear down their statues, etc.

    Also, I simply can’t be moved by hypocritical butt hurt-ery when it comes to the subject of conquest. Is everyone willing to pack up and give up lands that they took over from others? No? Well, then why are Muslims supposed to feel bad about it? Especially since their conquests are far older and more established.

    It’s a new day.

    Exactly, we have a workable, if imperfect, international system of agreements that are supposed to keep nations from attacking each other. Let’s improve upon it, keep it from being abused and keep the age of empires in the history books.

    That’s something for which we should praise God.

    Ameen.

    While it may function well on many levels, judicial decisions can and have been corrupted by palm greasing.

    Having lived in Pakistan, I can obviously understand. The solution though, is to fix the system not to simply try to go around it via vigilantism.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @pensword
  221. Rurik says:
    @APilgrim

    Rurik & Talha are obviously monumental fools.

    1,300 years of mortal combat is NOT going to cease as a result of their Pollyannaish gullibility.

    To glimmer though the endless lies we’re all told about ‘history’, I often find it useful to look at the world today, to get an idea of how people act, and how they likely acted throughout history.

    And what I see today, is that there are a few stone age Muslims, like ISIS, who would if they could destroy the West. But for the most part, Islam seems to me like a victim of ((western)) mass-murder, genocide and serial rapine.

    It is America that is operating an open torture facility, which, unless I’m mistaken, has been used exclusively for Muslim men who want us out of their lands.

    No, no. If I wanted to look for an enemy of the West, the Muslims are as inoffensive as Mexicans or Indian Hindus. Occasionally a nuisance to the West, but hardly an existential enemy or threat.

    Just consider..

    Muslims seem to consider Jesus Christ as a holy man, and they defer to Him with respect.

    But let me ask you something..

    There is a theological question that many scholars have wrestled with over for centuries, perhaps you can chime in, being as you’re educated about such things as our Judeo-Christian heritage here in the dying ((murdered)) West.

    As I understand it, according to Jewish doctrine, there is some confusion over their tenets, one of which involves Jesus Christ’s eternal fate. That the Jewish religion considers Jesus Christ to be in Hell for eternity, is uniformly established, but this is the thing,

    is He in Hell, boiling for eternity in excrement, or semen?

    Because that seems to be an object of much contention over the years.

    And I don’t think they’ve ever quite sorted that out.

    • LOL: pensword
  222. Rurik says:
    @tac

    Thank you tac for the good info.

    Not sure what to think of this Patrick Little guy..

    … Enshrined in this bill will be a permanent ban on providing foreign aid to Israel, including a death penalty for any politician introducing a bill that would lead to foreign aid to Israel.

    •Introduce a bill to fund research into implementing my Mars Impact Theory, the redirection of asteroids to a collision path with Mars such that the planet would have its magnetosphere and atmosphere restored for later colonization and mineral exploitation by the US government and potentially any partners in colonization.

    https://littlerevolution.us/2018/01/21/platform/

    He seems a little out there, but if he’s sincere, then he’s a thousand times better than the whores of Zion currently betraying our nation and people in the Senate.

    • Replies: @tac
  223. Talha says:
    @Heros

    I am sorry, I am not going to get into some pissing match with a Moslem

    Then don’t start a fight if you don’t intend to finish it. The only one pissing (likely into the wind) around here is you by throwing around hyperbolic accusations purely out of feelz. I’m citing sources including well-known authorities in their respective fields; people like Prof. Hoyland who is an expert on the writings of non-Muslims from that time period:

    We have the behavior of ISIS to show us the truth.

    Wow, that’s your evidence – Daesh?! A group that killed more Muslims than anyone else in recent times? The guys who other Muslims fought to crush and defeat? The guys who graced Iraq with their presence early on by killing off 300 Sunni scholars and imams?

    News flash; these guys are called extremists for a reason. You think they got that name by handing out ice cream? Of course they are going to try to purge Christians, that have been living there for centuries, from Muslim lands – why would anyone expect better? If they are killing Muslim scholars and detonating bombs inside mosques, what do you expect? In fact, they just executed their own former top mufti because he was asking them to be less extreme in excommunicating Muslims:
    http://www.jihadica.com/death-of-a-mufti/

    I don’t think that this is a reasonable case to use, since the Russian empire conquered Muslim lands and then allowed Muslims to exist un-molested. Not as second class citizens to Christians, by the way.

    (sigh) Well, depends on which era one is talking about. When Tsar Ivan crushed several Tatar cities (they were admittedly regularly slave raiding on Russians), he took the women and children as slaves and forcibly converted the survivors:
    “In Kazan the Muslim population was expelled and Russian colonists were moved in, mosques were replaced by Russian Orthodox churches and the Tartars of the surrounding country were pressed to convert to Christianity.”
    http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/kazan-falls-ivan-terrible

    “The official chronicle tells us that the tsar ordered the Tatar women and children to be taken captive, and the armed men put to death ‘because of their treason’. An Orthodox church was erected in Kazan even before Ivan’s departure from the city’ mosques were destroyed; and a programme of forced conversion was introduced, on the advice of the priest Sil’vestr.”
    Ivan the Terrible

    Islam was not even legal until Empress Catherine started changing things around:
    “From the time of Ivan IV’s conquest of Muslim Kazan the Russian state, under the influence of the church, had pressed for the religious conversion to Orthodoxy of all Muslims living within the empire. Every attempt had been made to eradicate Islam from the Russian state, by force and by persuasion. Mosques had been destroyed by state decree and their reconstruction forbidden since the late sixteenth century…with the establishment of the Kazan Office of New Converts in 1740, and under its auspices whole villages of Volga Muslims were baptized at gunpoint…
    Under Catherine I1 the policy of the state toward Islam as a religion falls into three periods. From her ascent to the throne until her ‘Toleration of All Faiths’ edict in 1773, Catherine largely followed the pattern of her predecessors, treating the Russian Muslims rather harshly and eliminating only one or two oppressive practices of the previous years. From 1773 until the appearance in Orenburg of Baron Igelstrom in 1785, a period coinciding with Catherine’s experiments in the Crimean Independent State, her policy became one of passive toleration of Islam and coexistence with the Muslim leaders within the Russian Empire. In the third period, from 1785 until 1796, the Russian state attempted through various radical measures to bring the Islamic leadership within the actual governmental structure.”
    http://www.indiana.edu/~cahist/Readings/2010Fall/Islam_and_Modernity/Fisher_Enlightened_Despotism.pdf

    And of course, the conquest of the Caucasus was full of scorched-earth policies and population removal that led to things like the Circassian genocide:
    “Circassia was a small independent nation on the northeastern shore of the Black Sea. For no reason other than ethnic hatred, over the course of hundreds of raids the Russians drove the Circassians from their homeland and deported them to the Ottoman Empire. At least 600,000 people lost their lives to massacre, starvation, and the elements while hundreds of thousands more were forced to leave their homeland. By 1864, three-fourths of the population was annihilated, and the Circassians had become one of the first stateless peoples in modern history.”
    https://muse.jhu.edu/book/22028

    Now – I can readily denounce the Armenian genocide as brutal and wrong – are you willing to do the same for what happened to the Circassians?

    So yeah, maybe after all of that, some time later Russia started treating Muslims as equal citizens. And let’s forget Russia, what about European take-over and settlement of the Americas and Australia? Which is way more recent than the takeover of, say, the Turks over Anatolia? Are you going to ask the descendants of those Europeans to give up the land and go back? Thought so.

    Don’t get me wrong – as far as the rules in the secular liberal West, there is no way any Muslim country can hold a candle to how open and tolerant they are – in fact, I would posit they are tolerant to a fault. The problem is, you can’t use other people’s values for your own virtue-signaling; you have made it clear that what you want is to remove all Muslims and shut down all mosques which is far more intolerant than practically any Muslim country I can think of. So this qualifies as a big virtue-signaling fail.

    It was the creators of Mohammed, the jews, who did most of that evil colonization.

    Really? Jews marched in the armies and pulled the triggers? What kind of nonsense is this? The role of Jews in the slave trade is well documented and in the banking magnates, but are you going to tell me that Whites had no personal volition? Is your view of Whites really that low that Jews simply say “jump” and they say “how high, master”?

    And don’t pull that crap about war

    Why not – this is what led to the mass immigration crisis.

    Moraccans, Turks and Egyptians want to get into Europe because Christians make better countries.

    No, because Europeans seem to. Which is why plenty of Christians from South America are risking life and limb to get into the US and Canada – their Christianity obviously didn’t help them not have crappy countries. People who live in crappy countries want to move to better ones. Now, before the recent wars, all the immigration to Europe was organized and documented; people stood in line, filed papers (like my father did) and came over legally after following all the rules. Was that a mistake? OK – well then blame the policy makers for letting people in.

    Now if you want to argue about stopping immigration to Western countries, then I suggest you find someone who supports it, because I don’t. And if you want to, then at least argue the point – don’t do it by trying to go hog-wild on Islam and Muslim history when it is clear you don’t know what you are talking about.

    • Agree: pensword
    • Replies: @Heros
  224. pensword says:
    @Talha

    the Armenian genocide

    This term functions as a political weapon, much like “The Holocaust™”. We could discuss the reality on the ground prior to 1915, just as many here have justifiably discussed the reality of World War II-era Jewish suffering, but I know you’re not in need of that.

    Holocaustianity is the only religion in America that receives government sanction and public school curricula routinely reflect this. Care to question the official narrative, even if your evidence is rock solid? Prepare to have your reputation burned at the stake. In Europe, you’ll do hard time for it. Mocking or belittling Jesus or God is de rigueur for the popular media establishment, yet if any should be so foolish as to stray from the in-crowd and speak truth concerning Palestine or the U.S.S. Liberty or the reason why American troops are still stuck in Syria and Afghanistan, they’re instant pariahs. Both Mr. Unz and Mr. Giraldi, among numerous others, know this all too well.

    When the term “holocaust” was expropriated by Jews, they used it not merely to shame goyim, but to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from governments throughout the world in order to advance the agenda of Zionist hegemony. The Turkish Republic is well aware of this history and, as such, reluctant to acknowledge a term that would have them accept comprehensive responsibility for acts of brutality which erstwhile heads-of-state did not sanction.

    It isn’t that Turks deny what happened. It’s the manner in which others want them to accept it that may manifest the law of unintended consequences.

    The solution though, is to fix the system not to simply try to go around it via vigilantism.

    Yes, and this way is no different than what I have inherited from my many teachers throughout the brief time I’ve sojourned in the world. I thank you for reminding me of it.

    I enjoy reading your work here. It’s comforting to see a brother connecting with others in this sprawling arena of ideas, fraught with snares and pitfalls as it is.

    May we remain in God’s favor. Ameen.

    • Replies: @Talha
  225. Talha says:
    @pensword

    It isn’t that Turks deny what happened. It’s the manner in which others want them to accept it that may manifest the law of unintended consequences.

    OK – that is a good point there. I can certainly understand the hesitation of making it some kind of official, legally recognized event in that regard. Like I mentioned about the Circassians – the Turks certainly weren’t the only ones doing population removal/eradication at that time. Unfortunately, it seemed to be a very popular policy at the time, including population removals in the US.

    I thank you for reminding me of it.

    “And remind, for indeed, the reminder benefits the believers.” (51:55)

    I enjoy reading your work here.

    JazakAllahu khair – thanks as well for your inputs. Please pray for me and my family. I will do the same for yours.

    May we remain in God’s favor.

    Ameen, bro, ameen.

    Wa salaam.

  226. tac says:
    @Rurik

    He actually talked a lot about Paul Nehlen when he was running (they kept in touch regularly according to him).

    He seems genuine, but these days one cannot easily tell. If you want to follow him and make up your own mind this is his YouTube channel

    • Agree: Rurik
  227. Heros says:
    @Talha

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/10/05/report-syrian-christians-cry-jesus-isis-mass-beheading/

    “The Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) executed 12 Christians, including a 12-year-old boy, after they refused to abandon their faith and convert to Islam. The murders occurred on August 28 outside of Aleppo.”

    I just love how as the centuries have rolled by, Jihadi’s have become so much more civilized. Bwwaaa. Own it Talha. If you want to claim that Islam wasn’t always this way, then the burden is on you. We see it every day on the news:

    https://www.christiansinpakistan.com/syria-isis-beheads-and-crucifies-12-christians-who-refused-to-convert-to-islam/

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821389/Nazi-saluting-ISIS-fighters-release-horrific-mass-execution-video-militants-beheading-Syrian-rebels.html

    https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/islamic-state-kids-behead-prisoners-at-abandoned-funfair-in-syria/news-story/cce87646a74633965972f11e6f6b947e

    It goes on and on and on. Muslim tolerance on display. Religion of Peace, my ass.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/graphic-video-isis-beheads-19-kurdish-dissidents-gruesome-mass-execution/

    https://www.newsweek.com/isis-genocide-kerry-yazidis-christians-shia-437944

    There is even a wiki about Muslim’s committing genocide:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL

    • Replies: @Talha
  228. Talha says:
    @Heros

    Yeah – Islam wasn’t like Daesh historically. Which is why they have been denounced by Muslim scholars all over the world. Here is a good refutation:

    The onus is on you to prove that Islam has always been like Daesh since you are making the accusation. I already showed that many Christians, thought Muslims were preferable to the Byzantines. The non-Chalcedonian Eastern Churches also felt likewise.

    Keep posting evidence that Daesh are blood thirsty monsters from 2016. Not like we already don’t know this. But try to find something more recent and hurry – before Daesh is gone and your go to example is no longer around!

    There is a reason why those headlines are like 2 to 3 years old – Muslims have been fighting to clobber Daesh.

    If you aren’t convinced, that’s not surprising since your lack of knowledge on this subject is quite glaring.

    • Replies: @pensword
  229. pensword says:
    @Talha

    Didn’t Heros claim a few days ago that he “wasn’t going to get into a pissing match” with you? Seems he has a hard time keeping his word.

    You’ve skinned, gutted and cleaned him, akhi. I don’t think there’s much more to do here.

    • Replies: @Talha
  230. Talha says:
    @pensword

    Yeah, I figure someone who is desperate to make a point by basically citing a bunch of old articles on Daesh, is likely not very serious.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Heros
  231. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Hey Uncle T,

    At Phil G’s latest, Israel’s Story, I made a couple Koran comments (#3 and #300). Care to weigh in, and on the Anon to whom I replied? Thanks.

  232. Heros says:
    @Talha

    From unz.com, I hope that is a good enough reference for you:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/migrants-across-the-mediterranean

    “That was the big difference between Europe and the Muslim world: slavery. It was marginal in Europe (after the crash of Roman Empire) and popular in the Dar al-Islam. The Muslims used slaves, they needed slaves, and they apparently preferred European Christian slaves. While Spain was Muslim, the Vikings raided Eastern Europe, captured local folk and sold them to Jews, while the Jews traded this valuable commodity in Cordoba. Later, East Europeans, ancestors of modern Russians, were raided and captured by Crimean Tatars to be transported to Istanbul. But the demand was big, the profit huge, and the Moors began raiding West European shores and capture boats in the Mediterranean.

    Barbary corsairs were going mainly for crews and passengers. They treated the Europeans like the Europeans treated Sub-Saharan Black Africans – captured, enslaved and sold on the market. Yes, Virginia, whites also were slaves. Every European could become a slave in Dar al-Islam, and millions of East and West Europeans, French, Spanish, British and Russians were sold and bought on Istanbul markets.”

    “Religion of Peace” slave-trading pederast muslims who have been raping, murdering and stealing, for a thousand years. This is accute cognitive dissonance resulting from of all that muslem inbreeding, beastiality and pederasty and it is really offputting to Christians who still have the ability to think rationally.

    Worse, these pederast muslims are such cowards that they send their women to unzreport to howl and screech about “peace”, when these women are not even allowed to show their face in public in their own countries.

    Just run off to pray to Mecca and spare us your hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Talha
  233. Talha says:
    @Heros

    Barbary corsairs were going mainly for crews and passengers.

    Well, yeah, I literally mentioned them critically in post #211:
    “In certain instances, the slaves were thoroughly mistreated (like the Barbary pirates and their cruel galley slavery)…”

    pederast

    LOL!

    beastiality

    LOOOL!

    They treated the Europeans like the Europeans treated Sub-Saharan Black Africans – captured, enslaved and sold on the market.

    The above is filed under: Getting Owned by your own Source.

    these women are not even allowed to show their face in public in their own countries

    Can’t think of a single country where niqab is mandated by law – cite a source for your claim.

    hypocrisy

    Let’s have a case lesson in hypocrisy shall we…

    I readily denounce the predatory and cruel forms of slavery that Muslim Barbary pirates (to be honest, I’m not very surprised at such behavior stemming from pirates…seems par for the course actually) visited upon Europeans. Are you willing to do the same for the Christian Europeans that carted off Blacks as slaves and treated them like the Barbary pirates treated European slaves – as per your own source?

    You see, the issue was not that European Christians were morally above this kind of thing – we actually have records of papal bulls authorizing slave raids on Muslims and other heathens:
    “We [therefore] weighing all and singular the premises with due meditation, and noting that since we had formerly by other letters of ours granted among other things free and ample faculty to the aforesaid King Alfonso—to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery.”
    http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/african_laborers_for_a_new_emp/pope_nicolas_v_and_the_portugu

    The actual issue is, they were simply militarily ineffectual at the time to be able to really do much (from the same above source):
    “Portuguese mariners soon learned that inhabitants along the Upper Guinea coast were more than capable of defending themselves from such incursions. Not long after his 1441 voyage, Tristão and most of his crew were killed off the coast of present-day Senegal.”

    “A” for enthusiasm, “F” for aptitude…

    So they went for people that were more easy pickings:
    “Columbus is believed to have had prior experience trading in West Africa, and had certainly visited the Canary Islands, where indigenous people known as Guanches had long been enslaved and exported, in small numbers, back to Spain. Though Columbus was primarily interested in finding gold, he also recognized Caribbean islanders’ potential value as slaves. In early 1495, preparing to return to Spain, he loaded his ships with five hundred enslaved Taínos from Hispaniola; only three hundred would survive the voyage…Also, despite their objection to a trans-Atlantic slave trade of Amerindians, the Crown permitted their outright enslavement and sale within the Americas. During the first half of the sixteenth century, Spanish colonists conducted raids throughout the Caribbean, bringing captives from Central America, northern South America, and Florida back to Hispaniola and other Spanish settlements.”
    http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/african_laborers_for_a_new_emp/the_spanish_and_new_world_slav

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