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I’m happy to debate Tony Martel on the coronavirus.

I will start out by noting that I have been a critic of liberalism and global free-market capitalism for the past twenty years. So there is nothing about this particular crisis that comes as a surprise to me. It has exposed many of the flaws that I have been concerned about for years.

As with deadly tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and other sorts of predictable natural disasters, pandemics have always been one of the most serious threats to the human race throughout history. The Spanish Flu killed more Americans than all the wars of the 20th century combined. We were overdue for a major pandemic. It was inevitable that a major pandemic would collide with our globalized economy with its just-in-time manufacturing system and supply chains stretched all across the world and with our bloated and highly leveraged financial sector. It was inevitable that a major pandemic would collide with the unsustainable gig economy and our ridiculous and unaffordable health care system too. As I pointed out in the last article, the Trump administration literally ran a simulation that predicted it would happen last year and that 586,000 Americans would die in a pandemic.

It is true that the United States has dealt with plenty of deadly diseases over the past century. I’ve already noted how we eradicated malaria, yellow fever, polio, measles and smallpox which used to cripple and kill millions. I have also noted the success of our public health system in coming up with treatments for HIV, a vaccine for H1N1 (swine flu) and containing the spread of SARS, MERS and Ebola. In light of this track record, I tend to have far more confidence in our public health system to deal with coronavirus than in conspiracy theorists and random nutters and cranks on the internet. Each of these diseases presents its own unique challenge and threat. HIV is a sexually transmitted virus that can be countered with condoms and anti-retroviral therapy. Zika was carried by mosquitoes. The Spanish Flu was an influenza. SARS was a highly lethal respiratory disease. H1N1 was a highly infectious influenza but it wasn’t particularly lethal. Ebola is an extremely lethal haemorrhagic fever, but it isn’t highly infectious like H1N1. As for the Black Death, we now know that it was a bacterial infection that was carried by flea infested rats.

COVID-19 is highly infectious like H1N1 while being a more moderately lethal and thus deadlier version of SARS. It destroys the respiratory system like SARS and can attack other vital organs. It is spread by asymptomatic carriers and can incubate for up to a month. It is the worst kind of virus to deal with because it doesn’t burn itself out like SARS or Ebola and it can spread like H1N1 while killing and crippling far more people. Unlike the flu, it doesn’t appear to be a seasonal virus either. It is rapidly spreading in the tropics. The flu is an influenza while COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus like SARS and MERS.

The actions taken by governments all over the world reflect the unique nature of the threat posed by the virus. COVID-19 swiftly overwhelmed the hospitals in Wuhan which is why China locked down a city larger than New York City and welded people inside their apartments to contain the virus. When even that wasn’t sufficient to contain this escape artist, China locked down dozens of cities over and half the country in February to smother outbreaks in other areas. South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan all swiftly developed testing and sophisticated surveillance and alert systems and imposed quarantines to contain the threat. The virus devastated Italy and Iran and has forced Spain, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Honduras, Venezuela and Argentina and many other countries to impose national lockdowns. The European Union and Russia have closed their borders. Even Justin Trudeau closed the borders of Canada.

I haven’t paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists. I don’t know what nonsense is circulating on their websites, but the idea that this virus is specifically about Donald Trump and the Democrats and America’s dysfunctional politics is laughable. This is a global pandemic that every country in the world is dealing with right now. Mortal enemies like Iran and Saudi Arabia agree it is a serious threat to the health of their citizens. If the United States sunk into the ocean tomorrow, the rest of the world would still be dealing with the problem and making the same kinds of difficult choices. Extreme actions are being taken to save the health care system because no nation has herd immunity and there isn’t a vaccine. So far, most of the people who have died from the virus are not even Americans, but it looks like that is about to quickly change. Russia and Iran are authoritarian states. Are Canada and the United Kingdom authoritarian states? What exactly unites Venezuela and Saudi Arabia with Germany and France?

There ISN’T any global conspiracy. No politician or government in the world wanted to shutdown their economy to deal with COVID-19. It was either that or the alternative which is to let the virus spread like wildfire, destroy the health care system and kill millions of their citizens while also destroying the economy anyway and their political careers in the process. Are we supposed to believe that there was a secret plot to tank the stock market and the global economy and wipe out trillions of dollars in wealth? The truth is that our own government and elites were blindsided by the virus, which they hoped would just go away “like a miracle,” and that it has upended their plans and now they are scrambling.

Natural disasters have always happened and killed small businesses. Hurricane Michael flattened Panama City. Hurricane Katrina wiped out the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Shit happens and we deal with it and move on. Sometimes in life we have to make difficult choices and cut our losses. In this case, the virus is an invisible enemy. It is only killing people. It is not causing catastrophic physical damage like an earthquake, a tornado or a hurricane. In those types of natural disasters, it is psychologically easier to accept loss.

It is not “cowardice” to take shelter during a tornado or to get out of town during a hurricane or a devastating flood. Similarly, it is not “cowardice” to isolate yourself and your loved ones during a pandemic. It is foolishness and stupidity to throw your life away for nothing during a natural disaster. It is selfishness to spread a lethal virus in your community during a pandemic. It is prudence to avoid unnecessary actions which could harm others. We are commanded to love our neighbors, not to be a narcissistic jackass and a liberal ideologue who would rather see people die than be momentarily inconvenienced.

It is not too much to ask to wear a mask in public as a courtesy to protect others during a pandemic. It is not too much to ask to go fishing instead of going to the bar or to go for a walk or exercise at home instead of going to the gym. There is nothing stopping those who are concerned about the impact of the shutdown on small business from financially supporting their local businesses. It is possible to stream religious services on your smartphone or to educate your kids at home. It might be a good time to repent and to study the Bible during a plague. It is possible to order takeout from restaurants. It is possible to pay your barber or mechanic in advance. The economy will come back, but the lives that are unnecessarily lost and put in danger due to your own individual self absorption won’t come back.

Don’t be the stereotype of The Ugly American who indulges in arrogance, ignorance, foolishness and paranoia and who spreads conspiracy theories and fake news and seeks attention with publicity stunts about the tyranny of quarantines only to get sick or transmit the virus to others in your community. It is not a good time to draw attention to yourself whether it is from the authorities or the Lord. It will also only end up putting some nurse or doctor in danger during a pandemic. Your liberty will still be there when the crisis is over as it was after the Spanish Flu pandemic. Try to be a good neighbor and citizen for once.

Note: The virus doesn’t have a race or political party. It is an equal opportunity killer.

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  1. Lets pray that some opportinuties are more equal than others.

  2. A timely message.
    Thank you Mr. Griffin!

    • Replies: @goldgettin
  3. Well said!

    A niggle: “China locked down a city larger than New York City and welded people inside their apartments to contain the virus.”

    That’s how our wretched media reported it but, like everything they report, it was distorted beyond recognition. What China did was vastly more sophisticated. KJ Noh lists a few of the mechanisms:


    Bulkheads and Silos. Most people are not quarantined unless they were diagnosed with the virus. Each Chinese city has a neighborhood block (family garden). You are generally free to move inside the neighborhood. In large cities, it’s usually a complex of apartment blocks with gardens. This is a siloing/containment of risk: restricting the risk of contagion to small manageable/isolable units, the epidemiological equivalent of a bulkhead to contains a problem (breach, damage, incident) to small contained area without it affecting the whole.

    Risk management/social distancing. Outside the neighborhood, for most people, the number of times you enter and exit is restricted to three times a week. This puts a numerical limit to the amount of people who can interact with each other, and statistically reduces risk. Public gatherings/interactions are restricted/banned. At the current moment, people who are going to work are exempt from this limit if they present a paper from their company. Public transport is running but nearly empty. Each time you re-enter your neighborhood, you are scanned with an infrared scanner for fever.

    Vector management. Constant sterilization of potential vectors. For example, grocery stories, where people have to interact with each other and goods, are sterilized every two hours with chlorine bleach (on all contact surfaces). This is comparable to turning every public venue into the equivalent of a hospital in terms of hygiene procedures. People are required to use gloves, masks, and other PPE relative to the risks involved. All physical money deposited in banks is sterilized before it re-circulates. However, almost all transactions are cashless using electronic wallets (WeChat or Alipay). There have been a number of creative measures to prevent contamination of surfaces touched by multiple people (for example, using post-it-notes on elevator buttons, to be removed after each contact).

    Rapid screening and hospitalization. The hospitals and clinics are constantly upgrading and improving their screening, assessment, and treatment procedures using state of the art processes. (Across the country, the number of people treated and healed is over 12x the casualty rate. This is despite the pulmonary complications requiring tremendous resources and other specialized equipment (ventilators, ECMO [extracorporeal membrane oxygenation] machines). There is real-time contact tracking/mapping/monitoring of cases, and constant updating of measures, allocation, tactics using massive computational resources. All virus-related medical services are free.

    Whole-of-Society Approach. The above measures are examples of what the WHO commends as a systematic, whole-of-society approach that has changed the course of the outbreak and prevented the infection of hundreds of thousands. The WHO notes that China is using the standard tools of public health and applying them with rigor and innovation, on a scale never seen before in history.

    This involves:
    A differentiated, scaled approach tailored to the needs of each province, municipality, and locality, depending on the level of outbreak, and the specific local context.

    A phenomenal level of organized, collective action and cooperation
    A repurposing of the machinery of government and infrastructure towards prevention and health
    An agile, science-based approach, turbo-charged through the use of technology (AI, Big Data and 5G).
    Advanced logistics, distribution, and communication.
    These things themselves are possible because of China’s political economy:
    Good central coordination, driven by a well-informed, well-designed, science-driven policy for the common good (that can suspend or override market forces)
    Enthusiastic, voluntary compliance from all sectors of society
    Well-coordinated, well-managed neighborhood units on the ground taking charge of local task management
    Incredible logistical coordination and supply of goods and supplies
    World-class, state-of-the-art web, tech, and computational infrastructure. As one of the most wired societies in the world, people are able to communicate, work from home, hold meetings, do medical consultations, order consumer items over the internet (and deliver with drone and robots), as well as apply advanced computational tools towards contact tracing/mapping/tracking, logistics, education, and policy adjustment. Yellow-Caking an Epidemic. K.J. Noh. MROnline, Mar 5, 2020

    • Thanks: Daniel Rich, Vojkan
  4. Nice article, Mr. Griffin, but I have some questions for you ( and the readers ). You are talking about ‘ market, global economy. trillions of dollars in wealth ‘…You mean FIAT dollars, Mr. Griffin, right ? Not sound money, like gold and silver…What about 500 trillions in derivatives, Mr. Griffin…is that ‘ wealth ‘…?! Isn’t the ‘ global economy ‘ a ‘ casino economy ‘, a giant ‘ Ponzi scheme ‘, ( like Max Keiser and Stacey, Celente, Dr. Roberts, Prof. Hudson, Mitch Feierstein and others are calling ‘ your/mass-media ‘ ” ECONOMY “…?! What about the mother of the financial bubble ‘…is that part of this economy ? Is the scam named ‘ bail-out ‘ ( and ‘ too big to fail ‘…or jail ? ) compatible with Your/our ‘ high praised ‘ free market ‘, Mr. Griffin ?! I have many other questions, but one step at the time…PS: wasn’t the West and the Humanity in a situation like this, right before 1914 and 1939 ( beginning of WWI and WWII ), or is just a…’ COINCIDENCE ‘…?!

    • Replies: @goldgettin
    , @Anonymous
  5. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    I am intrigued by Mr. Griffin’s perserveration of the word conspiracy in its government-issue permutations per 1035-960: association with “crackpots and nutters,” the new wrinkle of “fake news,” and especially the suggestion that conspiracy involves political parties or the world – big vague amorphous things unlike Battelle, USAMRIID, Ralph Baric’s coronavirus laboratory at the UNC Gillings School, or the CIA DO.

    Is he also chiding the governments of Russia and China? They have officially and diplomatically communicated that the US government is suspected of a crime in universal jurisdiction: synthesis and use of a viral chimera for undeclared war.

    That is not a conspiracy theory, that is the opening statement of a bill of indictment.

    Mr. Griffin’s bromides read like, “Move along, nothing to see here,” for the right, folded in with a general message of conformity. What’s with this? We “Dissident minorities” need to understand what’s being done to us, and by whom, nicht wahr? The US regime is understandably nervous about the oppositional right it has cooked up, and hopes to keep it docile in this great effondrement. Mr. Griffin should seize this opportunity to expose an illegitimate regime that’s got its hooks in all of us – that’s what they’re scared of, not Easter Parades with shiny guns.

  6. It’s not an either/or situation. Most people who oppose the current policy don’t say it’s a hoax or fake. They do understand this is a real problem. The issue is how much do/can we shut down the economy and social activity to control the spread?

    I think closing activities where lots of people of gather is warranted. Otherwise, caution should be urged, and life should go on.

    One can be an Ugly American in being willfully defiant and invoke ‘muh freedom’ against good advice.
    But one can also be a Ugly Puritanical American in going into end-of-the-world hysterics and acting like this is World War Z that calls for a Superhero to save us. (Maybe all those Marvel movies were not good on American psyche.)

    I think Ramzpaul is too skeptical about the gravity of the problem, but so much of the hysteria(yes, hysteria) has been over-the-top.

    I get the problem of exponentiality, but is this disease really all that deadly? It’s concerning to the extent that it’s more deadly than than the seasonal flu, but I don’t see this as a mass killer.

    As for initial reports of fatality rates, they remind me of what was reported on 9/11: the death toll in the twin towers could be over 50,000.

    Btw, E. Michael Jones says NY was hit esp hard cuz the damage from 9/11 led to lots of lung-related problems because people breathed in toxins in the air for weeks. Not convinced but interesting.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  7. Try to be a good neighbor and citizen for once.

    Would a true Southern gentleman construct this sentence in such a snide and uncharitable manner?

    The question answers itself, alas.

    • Agree: Will, Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  8. Kim says:

    It’s what journalists used to call a “beat-up” – an exaggeration, a distortion.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  9. It seems a cure has been found, but is not getting much attention:

    “Dr. Stephen Smith, who is treating 72 COVID-19 patients, said that he has been treating “everybody with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin [an antibiotic]. We’ve been doing so for a while.” He pointed out that not a single COVID-19 patient of his that has been on the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin regimen for five days or more has had to be intubated.”

    There are several other MDs worldwide who have had similar success. Must we wait two years for FDA clinic trials to prove treatment that will harm no one if attempted today?

  10. Russia is an authoritarian state, is it? That’s a laugh.

    • Agree: flaart bllooger
    • Replies: @Culpepper
    , @Curmudgeon
  11. Great pic: Amy Schumer in a flag shirt. Will wonders never cease?

  12. Wasn’t the ugly American the good guy in that book?

  13. sarz says:

    Is the author saying something like this?: The pandemic could not have been engineered because it’s a really deadly problem that has to be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @Ruckus
    , @Quinsat
  14. “If the United States sank into the ocean tomorrow …”

    What a beautiful idea!

    • Replies: @Wally
  15. Getaclue says:

    He reads like a Propagandist.– nothing to see here, shut up you “nutters” we “experts” have things “in control” as always– no Government (or group of Eugenic/Depopulation favoring “Elites”) would ever use a Bioweapon or create one because you know, that thing has never happened historically (forget about Lyme Disease getting off Plum Island on Deer that could swim out to it and back, just a “Conspiracy Theory” about the Nazi Scientists, “Paperclipped” in, working with infecting ticks in that BioLab, shut up you “nutters”….)

    — Also as you “nutters” know now 911 was a group of mountain dwellers who got lucky collapsing those 3 Towers despite Mossad trying to stop them out of their deep love for American freedoms, they even had some Mossad Agents caught on videotape dancing in agony as the Towers went down thus proving any claims otherwise are “Conspiracy Theories” of “nutters” — Top expert on Biowarfare calls CV a Bioweapon but what does he know, damn “nutter” should be shut up like all “nutters”….– Yes, the real problem, as ALWAYS, is those “Conspiracy Theorists” who do not believe the prepared script, er truth– just ask JFK oh yeah…. So much ChiCom love on this site now–wow– calling others “nutters” for not showing big love for the ChiComs who only mean good for the World and historically have shown their love by sending a Van for a one way ride when your time is up (according to them), so helpful of them –nearly comical here…that rolled out fast, didn’t see it coming here….

    • Agree: Will, Druid
  16. Franz says:

    I tend to have far more confidence in our public health system

    Kinda lost me with that one, bro. The rest is okay.

    Are we talking about the “system” that sat by and did nothing after the St Lawrence Seaway spent decades importing invasive species into an ecosystem unprepared for them?

    Are we talking about the same folks who tolerated (without a peep) industrial waste fluoride pumped into drinking water supplies for going on three generations? I mean even dentists issued warnings about this in the Fifties.

    Are we actually applying the word “confidence” a system that gave an OK to alternative sex practices known to spread many diseases and often grave mental and social consequences?

    In fact, this “system” even wants to change little boys into little girls, etc., and even wants my tax dollars to subsidize it.

    Honest and actually you have “confidence” in people who watched migrants, refugees, and just plain criminals pour over the border for years on end, and didn’t issue the simplest health guidelines that might have helped us stem the tide?

    How about a “health system” that’s turned its back on anyone with pain, allowing illegal narcotics to shove perfectly law-abiding citizens into lives of open-ended pain without relief? Except the relief of death which many have taken?

    The only confidence we grant pigs is that they will remain pigs.

    Apart from that, by all means wear masks and be careful at work. Use your common sense, which you already had and didn’t need the rottenest health system in the world to help.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  17. To be fair to Trump already Romans did have a problem with diseases brought back from Far East.
    Romans did qurantee all ships comming with goods from Far East, and eventually did stop all trade with Far East. It was Marco Polo centuries later who renew contacts with Far East.
    Cursed be Marco Polo!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  18. Ruckus says:

    Yes, why yes he is. And to think this guy runs an alt-right website. Sleeper agent perhaps?

    • Thanks: James Stark
  19. Folks, look at the date on this article. ‘Nuff said.

  20. Seraphim says:

    “Also sprach Zarathustra”! Non-sense.

  21. Bryan Accra says: • Website

    “Are we supposed to believe that there was a secret plot to tank the stock market and the global economy and wipe out trillions of dollars in wealth? ”

    According to “conspiracy theorist” John C. Calhoun, yes:

    “Place the money power in the hands of a single individual, or a combination of individuals, and they, by expanding and contracting the currency, may rise or sink prices at pleasure; and by purchasing when at the greatest depression, and selling at the greatest elevation, may command the whole property and industry of the community and control its fiscal operations. The banking system concentrates and places this power in the hands of those who control it, and its force increases just in proportion as it dispenses with a metallic basis. Never was an engine invented better calculated to place the destiny of the many in the hands of the few, or less favorable to that equality and independence which lies at the bottom of our free institutions.”
    ― John C. Calhoun, 7th Vice President of the USA, 1834

    • Replies: @James Scott
  22. There ISN’T any global conspiracy.

    Wrong. In this case, the ‘conspiracy’ was the spread of a leftist mindset across the entire world well before the Chinese virus came along. That collective mindset has infected most of the world’s so-called leaders, and caused them to effectuate the same kneejerk totalitarian approach to an unexpected situation. That response is predicated upon the tried-and-true leftist tactics of the precautionary principle and preemptive defense, imposed from above. When complete information is at first lacking, apply a political ideology devoid of science, logical analysis, and reasonable perspective. Use it as a handy excuse to go hyperbolic, then bend science to fit the ensuing narrative as rationalization for everything that goes wrong.

    In at least this one sense, western liberalism has indeed conquered the world.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Zarathustra
  23. We currently have almost 8 billion people in the world.

    Even if the virus did wipe out millions, we’d still be well stocked on humans.

    The big worry should be on the perpetrators of this Terror attack. We haven’t seen such a massively orchestrated attack at such a level since 9/11.

    The current Terror attack will erode human freedoms much quicker than 9/11. These Globalist Terrorists have literally locked down the entire planet without a single Shot fired. And the masses are cowering in fear over something that will never kill the majority of them.

    This “Pandemic” is likely the first of a series; with this one being the one the Globalists are using to collect Data on. See “Event 201” – which you can watch on “Center For Health Security” on Youtube:

    I agree with James:

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  24. @freedom-cat

    I messed up the link for the video on Medical Marshal Law:

  25. antibeast says:

    Ugly Americans?

    I can only see beautiful, disciplined, respectful Americans of all shapes, color and sizes.

  26. @RealAmerican

    YES, you are correct, sir. humility patience confidence.
    We got this. If not now,then when?

  27. Only if you imagine that a patronising Great White Saviour who thinks we Asians can’t even make a broom without instructions from Americans is a “good guy”.

    • Replies: @James Scott
  28. Culpepper says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I thought much as Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist until I watched this:

  29. @SS-The Independent

    Interesting reply,very interesting…

    We are always in a situation like this.1000 or 10,000 or 100,000,
    it used to be called survival.The condition.Reality.

    Do you really know where we were 100 or 200 or …years ago?
    I heard the toaster was the biggest invention of the month.

    Are you not happy with pain,doubt and dying?
    would you rather be getting kicked than kicking?

    There are very few alternatives to winning,right?

  30. WHAT says:

    >hurr durr we defeated SARS and MERS and swine flu and blahblah muh merica

    You didn`t. Vaccines did not even get into testing, lol.

  31. Quinsat says:

    He says…

    I haven’t paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists. I don’t know what nonsense is circulating on their websites.

    …which begs the question what constitutes a conspiracy theorist?

    The implication, as you rightly suggest, would appear to be not just anyone who concludes that it may have been engineered, isn’t a really deadly problem and doesn’t have to be taken seriously, but also anyone who considers the possibility of such.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
  32. Realist says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Perhaps The Chinese government took the opportunity to turn a moderate virus into a world wide panic…thus crippling the Western economy. Considering the rampant stupidity in the West…not hard to do.

  33. @mocissepvis

    I totally forgot it was, probably has something to do with being mostly stuck at home for the last 3 weeks. It’s no longer a meme, I have become autistic. This lockdown is starting to take a toll on me, ugh.

  34. roonaldo says:

    Humans engage in germ warfare? Not a chance…no way! Now, where are those smallpox blankets the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation requested?

  35. Herald says:

    A brief snapshot of what’s going on today followed by the usual hackneyed stab at “conspiracists” and so called authoritarian states.

    This article could emanated out of any one of the far too many “spook” agencies that litter the American landscape.

    It would have been better for the next knowno nothing Brad Griffin to say a lot less , rather than simply relaying the party line from Fox News or some other unreliable source.

  36. Miro23 says:

    COVID-19 is highly infectious like H1N1 while being a more moderately lethal and thus deadlier version of SARS. It destroys the respiratory system like SARS and can attack other vital organs.

    From what I’ve read, 99% of fatalities are over 70’s with existing medical problems. If this is true, then why doesn’t the government only give this category of people special care and attention.

    The rest of the population can go home and self quarantine if they catch it – and build immunity for when it comes back next year (which it will since it’s highly infectious?).

    That way you avoid the current economic catastrophe and the population builds natural protection.

    There must be something wrong with this line of reasoning?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Mario Partisan
  37. I had the swine flu in Los Angeles in 2009. The very first day I got sick it took me to the absolute peak of unbearable cross-eyed pain and then just held me at that level for ten unrelenting days. You bet I’m only too happy to do whatever it takes to avoid getting anything like that again.

    The old cliche ‘better safe than sorry’ is my current mantra.

    Good luck to all.

  38. @Godfree Roberts

    Does the CCP have you on a salary or do they pay you by the post?

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Armaggedon
    , @Anonymous
    , @fish
  39. I will start out by noting that I have been a critic of liberalism and global free-market capitalism for the past twenty years.

    You’ve confused Free-Market Capitalism, in which nations trade goods produced using Capital, Entrepreneurship, Land and Labour in the local economy, based on comparitive advantage, with the predatory version we’ve had for decades, where oligarchs decided that the components of production could be sourced abroad to create an artificial comparitive advantage that would be fleeting by nature as the local economy was hollowed out.

    Are we supposed to believe that there was a secret plot to tank the stock market and the global economy and wipe out trillions of dollars in wealth?

    Why not? The oligarch class have scarfed up all the tangible and hard assets they need to survive a financial reset, and now is as good a time to push the button as any. The rise of nationalism was threatening their little globalist club, so a reset now allows them to steal the thunder of the nationalists by re-creating “borders” while working out a truly global response to reduce most of humanity back to serfdom while using said borders to divvy up the various fiefdoms among the oligarchs. Yes, a wild conspiracy theory, but just because it is a conspiracy theory does not mean it is not a conspiracy fact.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  40. Alfred says:

    Total piffle.

    A rehash of the nonsense that one can read in some crap paper like the Financial Times.

    Coronavirus latest: Global cases top 1m with more than 50,000 deaths

  41. Bro43rd says:

    Couldn’t have been better timing to cover for the collapsing dollar denominated economy.

  42. Alfred says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    Martin Armstrong cannot be described as “conspiracy theorist” by any stretch of the imagination. Yet he is saying that this a a blatant coup. BTW, he forecast the financial meltdown almost to the hour.

    This is really a highly coordinated coup by the left on an international level – USA & Europe. They all agreed that their targets have been Trump and Johnson as well as Merkel and the Netherlands. This is an all-out coup and they have deliberately used the rhetoric over this virus to make most people afraid to even go outside

    The Left’s Coup – In Your Face

    • Troll: Grahamsno(G64)
  43. Mr Unz:

    Somehow and despite Brad Griffins explanations of “Shut up” and “Selfish man!” “No dissent allowed on this!” “Shit happens!” “God is against your question!” and “I don’t even know what your question is but I know you’re wrong!” I’d still appreciate your review refuting, and maybe I should have clarified this earlier, ON THE BASIS OF REASON, the following arguments:

    “You can’t test for the CoV-19. At the moment, it’s all we can do to confirm that a person is carrying ANY of about 200 strains of a Coronavirus. Why? It takes a long research lab procedure involving reverse engineering of the virus RNA into DNA, which then has to be sequenced; then it has to compared to other known sequences – by then, after a lot of work, we know we have a CV and maybe that it has a few variations from the others CVs. The idea that you can do a quick “swab and wipe and know ” is a myth.
Most of us carry some sort of Coronavirus. If we ever had a cold one winter, which just about all of us has, we have some sort of CV. We also carry the other major common cold causing virus, the Rhinovirus. Nearly all of us carry the Epstein-Barr virus, which causes Glandular Fever / Mononucleosis / Kissing Disease evidenced by nearly all of us expressing symptoms at some point. And everyone carries Herpes Simplex and most of us coxsackie – the causative agent of Chicken pox.
But just carrying a virus doesn’t mean you will ever exhibit symptoms. It doesn’t mean it causes a disease in fact, because we don’t know how to replicate the standard and only means of proving an agent actually causes a disease, called “Koch’s Postulates” after the German Doctor who developed them in 1884. Actually, we have difficulty proving by scientific method that ANY virus causes disease.

    This has led to so many problems: issues in collecting data is one. The vast majority of all populations tend to think correlation indicates causation ( because A is present at the same time as B, then A caused B) It’s a logical fallacy, but it happens.
    We have had doctors report many cases of patients dying of a known terminal disease, a Corona virus being found at autopsy, and thus being labelled a Corona virus death, when it’s nothing of the sort.
    We have the fact that all of our societies have become top heavy with older people – and we know this. We have concerns about the falling birth rate of European countries, down from the required 2.1 just to maintain numbers to as low as 1.3 for some. We see the huge efforts to improve birth rates Russia is making.
    All this points to a civilisation very top heavy with the age group which also has naturally the highest death rate. There’s a lot more chance you will die next year if you are 85 than there is if you are 25.
    So we need rational testing both at the lab and biochemical level and at the sociological and epidemiological levels and not stampeding into action. Are there more death this winter season than the last 10 yrs same season? The UK is finally acknowledging that no, there aren’t. Has anyone examined the autopsies of aged , ill-health deaths both with and without a CV, to see if there’s any difference? Only France, which recently published its result – they found NO DIFFERENCE.”

    • Agree: Yusef
    • Replies: @cranc
  44. Trump should end #coronahoax Easter weekend.

    cccp virus is killing the elderly and already-sick, everyone else, not so much.

    Certainty generally is illusion, and repose is not the destiny of man. –Oliver Wendell Holmes , Jr.

    • Troll: d dan
  45. Emslander says:

    Like every propagandist there has ever been, you project motives onto people in order to emotionalize your arguments.

    Why can’t I be left to behave appropriately in the midst of an infectious disease rather than be forced to stay behind closed doors? There are and have been infectious diseases in our midst for as long as I have been alive and I know how to eliminate, to a high degree, the chances of my catching them. This one is no different. If you want to live behind closed doors, go ahead.

    What is the danger I pose to you if I choose to go to church, restaurants or basketball games with others who choose that? Individually, we may or may not get sick. As a population, most of us won’t and we’ll be stronger for having been exposed. We’ll be immune. Why shouldn’t I think that this is a government power play (conspiracy? not necessary) to distract us from bigger problems, if they won’t let me risk what I risk?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  46. @Monotonous Languor

    Was your name for real, or it only appeared in Longest day?(just asking.)

  47. 37 says:

    This tripe reads almost as if someone working for DHS (our version of the STASI yet far more advanced) wrote it.

    Curious whether Mr. Griffin will view things the same way when the death tolls simply don’t add up to anything even approaching what was predicted, and after the program of forced vaccinations kicks in.

    No one should be unaware that the two most profitable global industries are war and disease.

    Peace & health/wellness simply don’t make anyone wealthy in our wealth uber alles world.

    I seem to recall a prominent historical figure whose message fostered peace and well-being while his nemesis sought war, disease, and destruction.

    Something about not being able to worship God and Mammon at the same time.

    HUGE money for big pharma coming. But Mr. Griffin’s on the case here. Nothing to see, move along according to him.

  48. BuelahMan says:

    I spent almost 2 years trying to convince Brad Griffin that his absolute support of Donald Trump was idiotic. That Donald Trump is the jews’ Inside Man and the Hammer that will bring down America and steal our wealth for the jews.

    Exactly what is happening.

    Mr Griffin, you have zero discernment. Why would I think you have grown some now?

  49. @Quinsat

    “I haven’t paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists. I don’t know what nonsense is circulating on their websites”

    Stalinist modus operandi. Deploy a devil term — “fascist” or “conspiracy theorist” so vague and imprecise that it can include whatever you want; dismiss what the “devils” are saying because, well, they’re devils; Brad says he doesn’t “know what nonsense [they are] circulating…” but somehow he knows its nonsense, an unwitting confession that he’s a locked down ideologue whose approach to open inquiry is “shut up, I’m in charge.”

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Quinsat
    , @Wally
  50. It might be a good time to repent and to study the Bible during a plague.

    And this is how the author reveals himself to be a great scientific thinker. ‘Nuff said.

  51. Alfred says:

    Here is the reality


    According to the latest influenza report of the German Robert Koch Institute, the number of acute respiratory diseases has „fallen sharply nationwide“. The values have „dropped in all age groups“.

    By March 20, the total number of inpatient cases with acute respiratory diseases had also fallen significantly. In the age group from 80 years and older, the number of cases had almost halved compared to the previous week.

    And here is the fake reality

    Instead of reporting the above, DW, the German equivalent of the BBC, it telling people to beware of fake news about coronavirus. 🙂

    Fake Corona news: What you shouldn’t fall for (DW)

    • Thanks: Daniel.I, Miro23
    • Replies: @Daniel.I
    , @Levtraro
  52. @Emslander

    The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

    –Ayn Rand

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  53. the guy with the flag shirt looks like a young John Candy.

  54. @Igor Svetnick's Bodyguard

    Ah, another noobie troll/shill heard from.

  55. @mocissepvis

    Yes, I saw that, but a reader has to know the author’s work posted here to catch it. It’s totally out of character for Brad Griffin, but he doesn’t reveal his sarcasm plainly and just comes across as yet another lockdown excusing shill. For this kind of work, he should have taken some lessons from CJ Hopkins.

    • Replies: @Ruckus
  56. Kim says:
    @Igor Svetnick's Bodyguard

    “whatever it takes”, huh? That’s a blank check that could be filled out to any amount at all. You comfortable with that?

    For example, permanent unemployment for what remains of the lives of, say, 25% of the population? Is that worth it? Or perhaps lifetime impoverishment for half the population. Is that not too high a price to pay?

    Because you know that 20% of businesses that have shut may never reopen. 12% of US companies couldn’t even pay their interest costs before this even happened. Are they going to come back or will they declare bankruptcy?

    But yeah, I understand, you had a bad headache once.

    • Agree: Yusef
  57. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    They’re in no rush to try Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin because they are long out of patent and there’s no money to be made by the big pharmaceuticals by making and providing them. These companies are working on either patentable drugs similar to these and/or a vaccine for the disease which is where the real money is. The CEO’s of these companies are drooling at the possibility that getting the vaccines might be made compulsory and this will make untold billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical companies.

    • Replies: @Bahmi
  58. “Repent and study the Bible”. OK, I’ll start thinking about how to mass-murder homosexuals while I run shrieking from menstruating women and lobsters. See if I can make sense out of the contradictory ramblings of old son o’ god man while I’m at it – nah, that’s too mucking fuch. Enough BS flying around today as it is.

  59. It is possible to stream religious services on your smartphone

    OK, for how many months? Until Tiny Tony Fauci gives me permission to assist at Mass?

    When the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ, the Roman Empire feared and hated it and tried to exterminate its members and that situation lasted for three centuries.

    Now, we know America has always hated the Catholic Church and feared it but there is no reason to fear it because almost all American Bishops has shuttered the Churches because they, like this author, fears what can kill the body rather than what can kill the soul.

    It is okay for men to go to their local grocery store for their daily doughnut but woe betide that man who goes to Mass for the Bread of Life. He’s a danger….

    • Replies: @Omegabooks
    , @Curmudgeon
  60. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Does the CIA have you on a salary or do they pay you by the post?

  61. @Franz

    Are we actually applying the word “confidence” a system that gave an OK to alternative sex practices known to spread many diseases and often grave mental and social consequences?

    In fact, this “system” even wants to change little boys into little girls, etc., and even wants my tax dollars to subsidize it.

    I would add plying active boys with mind altering drugs so they can sit through feminized public school.

    • Agree: Montefrío, dfordoom
  62. TG says:

    Well said.

    However: while I agree that the coronavirus was not created as part of some conspiracy, the elites are very fond of never letting a crisis go to waste. They will – they are – going to use this as an excuse to do all kinds of things – functionally the same way as if they had planned it all out in advance. If nothing else, the bailouts of big finance and big business are looking to dwarf those of 2008, and you can bet that this will be an excuse to whack wages and benefits – ‘because the deficit matters!’ Count on that.

  63. @Sick of Orcs

    The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

    –Ayn Rand

    Gee whiz if only we took libertarian response which is to open the borders and let in millions of Africans. That would solve everything. Oh but no open borders for Israel cuz Ayn Rand said so.

    I guess that also includes letting the private market sell fake cures and hoard medical equipment.

  64. Daniel.I says:

    Man, you are such a breath of fresh air.

    One sane man in a sea of hysterical monkeys.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  65. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    He can write any thing he wants. Most of us will never go there to see with our own eyes what life is like. He writes as if China is some sort of utopia.

    His glowing praise of the country is foolish. A more accurate assessment highlighting it’s strengths and weaknesses would be more welcome than his totally one sided China can do no wrong approach.

    Maybe then we could all learn something.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  66. onebornfree says: • Website

    Summary: Just another Unz article from a useful idiot government propagandist proposing mandatory government actions to “save us all” from ourselves. Basically, at its core, it’s no different from 99% of Unz articles.

    This just in: The only entity that needs to be permanently “locked down” is government- ALL of them- NOW!

    Reminder: “Stupid is as stupid does” .

    Gawd help us/save us from all of these frickin’ Unz “its to save society, its for your own good” morons. Karlin, G. Roberts, PC Roberts, Striker, Atzmon, Hudson etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum . Every one of them just another dyed in the wool , braindead “government to the rescue” useful idiot. It never ends.

    “Why Government Doesn’t Work”

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L.Mencken

    “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
    George Carlin

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Omegabooks
    • Replies: @goldgettin
  67. fish says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Number 3 on Xi Jinpings speed dial!

  68. Che Guava says:


    You are a fool. There is no reason to panic. I am quite calm and not at all frightened,

    The societal and economic effects of the mass hysteria, on the other hand, are alarming.

    Why are you predicting cyclic resurgence? Did SARS, MERS, or the swine llu re-emerge? No.

    Why should warmer and more humid weather not knock this one out? That is the usual pattern.

    A lot of idiots seem to be pushing maximum panic on this, you are just one of them.

  69. Truth says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    …well there are 21 million people missing since they came back online.

    • Troll: d dan
  70. @Bryan Accra

    The crash was coming anyways. The jew mob that caused it is trying to blame the Flu and China so they can keep everything they have stolen.

    All past jew pogroms were a result of their Ponzi scheme money from debt scams causing inflation. This time is no different but this time they have flooded the West with low IQ non whites who are easily led hoping to get away with it.

    It wont work.

  71. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Maybe if so many of you Asian would not run away from the shit holes your people build we would not realize you are just parasites.

    Moving to other people land and then whining about racists all the time has gotten old. You have to go back.

  72. Chinaman says:

    I agree. Having lived in both China and the US, I would say they are shithole in their own ways and there are rare pockets of light and civilization in each place.

    Honestly, I don’t know the China that the Godfree portray but he does know about China more than most chinaman…from what he reads at least.

    I guess you don’t know where to find the America that Hollywood portray too.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  73. Leftist says:

    Yeah, there are ugly Americans.

    But I’m sick and tired of hearing about ugly Americans in the movies and the media, year after year after decade. How about equality? Equality means judging everybody by the same standard. And not never telling the truth about The Other out of a cowardly fear of offending, or being accused of racism, or of standing up for victims of injustice because we can’t admit that there are Saudis out there cutting people up with a chainsaw, Indians raping and mutilating women, Koreans filming rape and assault for entertainment and thinking it’s normal, and on and on and on.

    There are far, far uglier things in the world to talk about than ugly Americans, if you actually cared.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  74. I agree with the author’s drift.

    “The Ugly American” was published in 1958.

    All these years later, the expression remains alive and pertinent.

    Further, for the Ayn Rand fans out there who seem very hard put upon by government measures, I’ll just note these important facts.

    Strong measures do seem to have been appropriate if you look at the disease levels in several different countries.

    The US now has reached 1,200 deaths per day, largely owing to Trump’s incompetence, unpreparedness, and delay.

    Germany, Russia, and China have been extremely successful.

    With large populations, it is often the case that you cannot take just fine-tuned measures.

    Fine-tuned measures would be most desirable to a reasonable mind, but they cannot be effective with all many unreasonable people in any large population. And we have many fools and malicious people out there.

    God, there are even reported incidents of jerks out there coughing into people’s faces on the street for a laugh.

    Humanity has at least as many low intelligence individuals plus mental cases plus reckless hormone-driven fools as it has sensible people.

    It is unfortunately the human condition.

    We see this in wars and disasters where marshal law is used innumerable times in various affected areas.

    Sweeping measures are often needed to assure an effective level of compliance.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Greg the American
  75. Agent76 says:

    *Event 201*

    The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

    The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations.

    Apr 1, 2020 “This is Beginning of the End of the Pandemic” – Dr. Stephen Smith Announces COVID-19 Game Changer

    Hydroxy-Choloroquine Study that is “Game Changer” in Battle Against Coronavirus.

  76. Alfred says:

    Man, you are such a breath of fresh air

    My pleasure sir. 🙂

    I confess that I was caught up in it initially. But as soon as I started looking at the numbers and the uniform hysteria of the MSM worldwide, I realised that this was not at all what they claimed it to be.

    Virologists were being silenced and the old cunt who had been wrong about every single epidemic since year dot was having orgasms on TV.

    Why Fauci is winning the battle for public trust

    Of course, the fact that they don’t have a specific test for COVID-19 and the fact that they were changing the way deaths were being classified made it pretty obvious to me that the books were being cooked.

    The reason they are so keen on increasing the testing is to get more “positives” because a certain proportion of the population has some of the 100+ coronaviruses resident in their saliva.

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  77. Some sound observations by Mr. Griffin.

    As for what we can do to help others get through the lockdown economically, Mr. Griffin seems embarrassingly out of touch with the reality of tens of millions of Americans.

    “There’s nothing stopping” them from paying their barber or mechanic in advance? How about the fact that they or their spouse has lost their job or had their hours cut back? How about the fact that they are barely able, or no longer able, to pay their mortgage/rent or car loan?

    Many people are thinking more “where will I get food for my children?” and “which relative will let us live with them?” rather than “I wonder if my barber accepts Venmo so I can pay him in advance for my next haircut?” They’re thinking more “can I take the pain from putting off this surgery or treatment I can’t afford so I can pay my mortgage” rather than “hey, let’s call the mechanic and prepay the next oil change.”

    So, yes, people who feel financially secure right now should indeed seek to prepay their barber, buy gift cards from local restaurants and coffee shops and bars, order takeout and delivery meals more than they otherwise would, contribute to food banks and the like when they haven’t done so before, etc. But that does not characterize an increasing proportion of the American people.

    Admittedly, there are plenty of Americans who could have built an emergency fund with the money they chose to blow instead on vices and luxuries — alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, lattes, lottery tickets, big TV bills, fancy $1,000 smartphones, new cars when they could have bought slightly used, etc. Upper-middle-income, midddle-income, and even some lower-middle-income Americans could have instead gradually put aside money to survive a job loss or unexpected event, but chose not to do so. But whoever is at fault, Griffin seems to overestimate the propprtion of Americans who are prepared to prepay local businesses to help the get by.

    For many households, this mass unpreparedness is largely the inevitable result of always being in debt and thinking short-term rather than growing up, thinking long-term, and saving. The outsourcing and automation of goodpaying jobs doesn’t help.

    At the national level, this mass unpreparedness is largely a result of squandering a couple trillion dollars per year on unnecessary wars and inflated weapons systems (and the interest on money borrowed in prior decades for those things) — and overpriced pharmaceuticals, medical procedures’ and medical devices — rather than using the money to provide a universal basic income and universal medical insurance to all US Citizens.

    As an aside, Griffin comments that HIV can be countered with condoms and medications. There are also a couple little things called loyal monogamy and abstinence. Shows where he is coming from that he didn’t mention those obvious surefire ways to avoid being infected with HIV.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Lost american
  78. Quinsat says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Exactly. Note to Mr Unz. Don’t invite this man to post on your site: its credibility and reputation can only be damaged by his presence.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  79. I love articles like this. Everyday I realize how many on the right are propagandists working for someone. Its been rather entertaining to figure out who pays them. My guess here is FBI.

    I mourn the death of the ugly Americans, who passed in the 60’s. Had they survived the hubris of Vietnam, we might not be in the pickle we currently find ourselves.

  80. Bahmi says:

    Don’t make the mistake of saying out of patent medicines are “now cheap”. Ain’t so, some now generic medicines cost MORE than when they were patented. I think they call that “supply and demand”.

    • Replies: @anon
  81. Chinaman says:

    Don’t be the stereotype of The Ugly American who indulges in arrogance, ignorance, foolishness and paranoia and who spreads conspiracy theories

    The ugly American is a spectacle, steeped in the tradition of Borat and idiocracy ( best movie ever) which demonstrate to the world the unlimited human potential for stupidity and disaster.

    America exists as a parody and humbling reminder to every human being to be grateful for what we have, to be contented with our circumstances and the dangers of excesses and human overreach. It also shows us the Perhaps the most important lesson is that happiness is not to be found in pride, wealth or endless stimulation of our senses.

    Having said that, America have also shown the world perception is reality and that ideology and belief system do matter. optimism\hope is the wellspring of miracles. you fake it till you make it.

    God bless America.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  82. Wally says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “If the United States sank into the ocean tomorrow …”

    What a beautiful idea!

    Says the Marxist hypocrite who refuses to leave the US.

  83. Chinaman says:

    May be the first step to redemption is not to cover-up and scapegoating China for the cover-up.

    How did the virus get on an aircraft carrier that have been at sea for month anyway?? Who is patient zero on that boat?

    • Replies: @fish
  84. Wally says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    – While I do not, heretofore anyway, believe that CV-19 is a manufactured crisis, your points are very valid. We see the actions you describe 24/7/365 on a range of uncomfortable subjects.

    – Always ask ‘who benefits?’ from such attempts to mischaracterize.

    – However, I do find it revealing and truly evil that the unhinged Left is hoping that Trump’s remarkable efforts fail.

    Nancy Pelosi: Cancer on the body politic:

  85. Daniel.I says:

    Ok, now a serious question – do you think the likes of Unz and Karlin are legit ?

    Are they honestly gripped by paranoia, or is this site just another honeypot to corral wrongthinkers into controlled avenues ?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  86. fish says:

    How did the virus get on an aircraft carrier that have been at sea for month anyway?? Who is patient zero on that boat?

    People come and go on aircraft carriers all the time! Try again!

    • Replies: @Pissedoffalese
    , @Chinaman
  87. Agent76 says:

    Mar 31, 2020 Unsung Heroes of the Coronavirus Pandemic

    Pundits demand “big, bold, expensive action from the government” to fight coronavirus, but the real unsung heroes are free individuals– doing what’s in their own interest.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  88. @John Johnson

    Rand would be against selling cures that the seller knows or believes to be ineffective, because that is fraud, an immoral substitute for force.

    But she’d also want to allow hoarding and profiteer re-selling of masks, hand sanitizer, ventilators, respirators, whatever, so long as the hoarders bought the goods freely. And that’s sick. That’s not the kind of person I want as a neighbor. Nor can we afford too many such people as countryman in a true crisis. (Whether this is as big a crisis as portrayed, I don’t know.)

    I was influenced by this woman’s writings as a teen and college student and still appreciate her excoriation of coercive communism and totalitarianism. But luckily I’ve recovered from both objectivism and libertarianism (which, despite her hatred of libertarians, was a natural outgrowth of her philosophy).

    It’s unclear whether Rand was led to her extreme, unrealistic, and inhuman view because she was simply a vile person (doubt it), because she had some condition that made it impossible for her to experience and fully understand the full range of human love and compassion and notably never had children (possible).

    Or was at Rand just so traumatized and terrified by police-state communism (understandably) and anything starting down that path, that she adopted what she thought was the appropriate diametric opposite philosophy (my best guess for most of the explanation).

    Anyway, it may make sense to stockpile nonperishable foods and bottled water for our family, along with a new handgun, shotgun, and extra ammunition, and that’s not immoral. But hoarding to re-sell at a profit while others die or suffer en masse, that’s another story.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  89. @Chinaman

    This seems like a fair, balanced comment. People who are rightly disillusioned with the hypocrisies, discompassion, and corruption of their own society— as I increasingly feel about my beloved America, or at least its government and elites —should not treat some other society as a glorious place just because they don’t live there and don’t know the cold hard truth about THAT society.

  90. The virus devastated Italy and Iran and has forced Spain, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Honduras, Venezuela and Argentina and many other countries to impose national lockdowns. The European Union and Russia have closed their borders. Even Justin Trudeau closed the borders of Canada.

    I haven’t paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists. I don’t know what nonsense is circulating on their websites, but the idea that this virus is specifically about Donald Trump and the Democrats and America’s dysfunctional politics is laughable.

    You listed the countries than have closed their borders and America is not one of the countries yet you think America can both practice social distancing and have open borders.

    Trump should bring our troops home from the Middle East Hell Holes and have them guard the southern border to protect the poor, ignorant, and disease infected invaders from continuing to come into America.

  91. Emslander says:

    But she’d also want to allow hoarding and profiteer re-selling of masks, hand sanitizer, ventilators, respirators, whatever, so long as the hoarders bought the goods freely. And that’s sick. That’s not the kind of person I want as a neighbor.

    So, is all profit bad, then, or just profit that reflects a strong need for the product produced or sold? Any seller is free to give something to a destitute person who can’t afford it at free market value, but why should they be required to do that? They went to the effort of building an inventory when others were presumably not interested.

    If I really want a BMW and will be psychologically devistated if I never have one, should the BMW company be forced to sell one to me at below market value, because to keep me from having one is inhuman.

    The best standard for transfer of any product at arms length is free market value. It governs future production and current scarcity. I certainly don’t want you deciding those things for me.

    • Replies: @Biggest Shoe
    , @Yusef
  92. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I got a chuckle out of

    Are Canada and the United Kingdom authoritarian states?

    I won’t speak for the UK, but a country in which its Supreme Court decides that “the truth is no defense” and can jail people for opinions, is authoritarian.

  93. cranc says:
    @Felix Culpa

    The problem with your reply is that it relies on established scientific knowledge and sound reasoning in order to ask the most basic and obvious questions about what is actually unfolding.
    What people truly want though are fast, easy, soundbites of gibberish, alarmist scaremongering, and some pet theory that fits with what they, in their ignorance, already believe about the world.
    Anyone (like the author) who tells me that I cannot legitimately question their opinion, I immediately put in the ‘authoritarian whacko’ pile.
    The lethality of the virus has almost nothing to do with the response.
    In order to swat a fly, we have burned down the house.
    Why? Because ‘it ain’t easy to get to the ground when you’re going down’.
    I am done here.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  94. Thanks for the sermon, preacher! Now how about punishing China for developing and deploying the coronavirus, a hedious bio-weapon? Or are you for turning the other cheek too?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @GomezAdddams
  95. Alfred says:

    do you think the likes of Unz and Karlin are legit ?

    I really don’t know. All I know is that if he continues to base “exponential growth” on faulty tests and increased testing, he is going to lose his credibility. Of course, when fewer people die of this virus – according to their changed definition – they are going to claim success of isolation and insist that this nonsense be repeated every time someone catches a bad cold. 🙁

  96. Alfred says:

    Americans always need heroes – like babies need bottles. Remember that hero footballer who took on the Taliban all by himself in Afghanistan?

    • Thanks: Agent76
  97. Like conformity, “only govt. can save us” and hate the Bill of Rights, Brad ol’ boy? Do us a favor and move to North Korea. Or, better yet, move in with Bill Gates….you two are birds of a feather…flock together….

  98. Agent76 says:

    Apr 3, 2020 Taking the Gold: FDR’s Executive Order 6102

    On April 5, 1933, FDR signed executive order 6102, requiring everyone to turn in their gold under the threat of fines or imprisonment. But that wasn’t the beginning – or the end – of the story.

    • Replies: @Wally
  99. @Mick Jagger gathers no mosque

    Believe it or not but Texas governor Abbott just issued an executive order stating church or worship services (which would include Catholic churches, various ‘protestant’ and non-denominational churches, synagogues, mosques, whatever) are “essential services” and thus Easter (and Passover, whatever) are now “on” in Texas! After what happened to preachers in Florida and Louisiana getting arrested…. Now, all Abbott has to do is restore the rest of Freedom of Assembly.

    Because voluntary shelter in place or lockdowns are fine with me. It is unconstitutional FORCED lockdowns that I oppose. But slaves love it, I suppose…

  100. @The Alarmist

    Free markets and capitalism are not synonymous. Capitalism is the acquisition of capital for its own sake. Markets were never “free”. There have always been restrictions in trade, particularly with other countries. Tariffs were used to “level”. Free enterprise was never “free”. There have always been restrictions on certain crafts, whether carpentry or stone masonry in ancient times, or doctors and lawyers today.
    What existed previously was well regulated, but in a manner that benefited the nation as a whole, which is absolutely based in entrepreneurship, land, and labour. Capital was the raw material used to create the end product, whether farmed or manufactured. Today, finance capital has shown itself to be the parasite that the 18th century artisans and craftsmen, dispossessed by the dismantling of the craft guilds, said it was.

    I join in your reprobation of our merchants, priests and lawyers for their adherence to England & monarchy in preference to their own country and it’s constitution. but merchants have no country. the mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. he is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. it is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them: and to effect this they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man, into mystery & jargon unintelligible to all mankind & therefore the safer engine for their purposes. with the lawyers it is a new thing. they have in the mother country been generally the firmest supporters of the free principles of their constitution.

    Thomas Jefferson, the man who killed the private central bank, to Horatio Spafford.
    These days, the religion may have changed (and become more tribal), but the principal hasn’t.

  101. Levtraro says:
    @Priss Factor

    “I get the problem of exponentiality, but is this disease really all that deadly? It’s concerning to the extent that it’s more deadly than than the seasonal flu, but I don’t see this as a mass killer.”

    The kind of reaction governments are implementing now is for the magnitude of the threath posed by the virus. With a mass killer virus, governments would simply collapse and we would enter a completely new world, you wouldn’t be posting in unz, I wouldn’t be replying to you.

  102. @Mick Jagger gathers no mosque

    When the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ

    It wasn’t “established by Jesus Christ” it was established by Peter, who claimed he received direction from Jesus Christ. Catholic = universal. Roman Catholicism = our version is universal, and everything else is wrong.

    • Thanks: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Anon
  103. d dan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks, Godfree. That is a very informative post about what China has done.

    If those people in the west are not so racist, ideological or anti-China, they will admit at least there is one or two things worth adapting or learning from China’s experience. But hell no, some will prefer thousands of deaths plus millions of infections than to even consider the possibility to learn from China.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  104. “Trust in the public health system”? Like the one in NYC?

    I can tell you for sure the The Gillings Center for Global Health Studies at UNC-CH is infested with characters just like the ones in Daniel Greenfield’s exposé. They even have an unchartered off the books de-facto “undocumented immigrant rights” division that operates in all kinds of ad hoc activist capacities up to and including matters in criminal courts in North Carolina.

    I am disappointed at Mr. Griffin. He obviously never spent much time listening to or reading about Public Healthocrats. The rot runs deep at all too many state and county public health departments in this country. ,

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  105. @fish

    Good question, tho’ . Got ME thinking! However, your reply squashed that question. Good job, Sir/Madame/Whatever!

  106. Levtraro says:

    The same report presenting the plot you pasted says: “The daycare centers and schools closed because of the COVID-19 pandemic and the contact restrictions decided by the federal government seem to contribute to a significant reduction in ARE activity, especially in the younger age groups”.

    So they attribute the drop in all AREs (all acute respiratory diseases) to measures taken by the government to prevent SARS-CoVid-2 infections.

    All AREs in the statistics that you quote and that you mistakenly count for your argument against the seriousness of SARS-CoVid-2 include the following viruses: influenza A, influenza B, respiratory syncytial, metapneumoviruses, parainfluenza viruses, rhinovirures, in addition to SARS-CoVid-2.

    Meanwhile, the number of specifically SARS-CoVid-2 infections continue to increase exponentially in Germany although it has flattened somewhat in the last couple of days.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  107. Agent76 says:

    Apr 3, 2020 The Agenda THT in 10 min by Dr. John Bergman D.C.

  108. @Truth

    I saw that number too.

    21 million fewer cell phone accounts in one quarter is certainly a number that requires some explanation. I’m sure a piece of it is purely people dropping one of multiple phones but it’s of an unprecedented magnitude to make one wonder.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  109. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    “Thou art Peter and upon thy rock I shall build my church” seder dinner, night before crucifixion.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  110. Will says:

    I haven’t paid much attention to the conspiracy theorists. I don’t know what nonsense is circulating on their websites, but the idea that this virus is specifically about Donald Trump and the Democrats and America’s dysfunctional politics is laughable. This is a global pandemic that every country in the world is dealing with right now.

    More propaganda from Brad Whoever. Thanks, Brad, for pushing “pandemic” in the face of statistics which prove otherwise. But, hey, who needs raw data and facts when you can push “pandemic” and emotional hysteria and label those with contrary opinions as “conspiracy theorists” pushing “nonsense”.

    For how the term “conspiracy theorist” is a CIA-coined term to silence critics, see:

    For statistics on the nonexistent pandemic, see


    Since you’ve got a lot of free time, Brad, maybe you could find a statistics course for free online to ground you in the basics.

  111. Alfred says:

    especially in the younger age groups

    How about the drop in the older group. Is that because they also stopped going to daycare centers and schools?

    I knew very well that your argument was going to popup up. When the toll of victims from ALL acute respiratory diseases slows down, the authorities would say “look! we saved millions of lives by locking people in their homes”

    This reminds me of the joke about someone asking his neighbour why he was shooting in the air. The neighbour said “to scare away the alligators”. The man retorted “but there are no alligators here!”. The neighbour said “there are no alligators because I scared them off”

    What you are saying is a circular argument. The reality is that this virus is a scam. The test is non-specific so how on earth do they know that it is COVID-19? They don’t because they can’t.

    You cannot say that the number of COVID-19 infected is increasing when you are not testing for it with a specific test. I hope I have made myself clear because this is getting tiresome. You cannot take the tyre pressure of your car wheels with your hammer. I hope I am making myself clear.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  112. schrub says:

    There is a very interesting and quite revealing comment posted after Gilad Atzmon’s latest column. Something is starting to smell about this virus and its “experts.”

    Quote: “Nobody has examined that except in one case: the Diamond Princess. Diamond Princess is the only situation were a scientifically valid sample size (3,711 persons, of varying ages and ethnicities though it had a far larger population of people over 60 than the general population), who were all exposed to this virus, were tested. Of them, about 700 (20%) got ill (i.e. – 80% were immune from the get), and of those, about 9 died (0.25%), all over 70 (probably no younger dead because the young and very sick don’t go on cruises).

    Since these people (passengers and crew) were stuck on this sick in tiny cabins and central air with the virus for 6 weeks (and 27 days after departure, the authorities found virus all over the ship, including in cabins of asymptomatic passengers), this essentially places an upper bound on the infection and death rates.

    Nobody mentions this best available evidence precisely because it is by far the best available evidence, but it does not point to the “horror show” narrative being pushed by the Rulers, who prefer to exploit this manufactured (by them) crisis to their advantage.

    Nowhere else has there been anything remotely similar in terms of comprehensive testing of a population (every person on the ship was tested), nor a case where it is reasonably known that everyone had been exposed.”

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Expose the Talmud
  113. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    There ISN’T any global conspiracy. No politician or government in the world wanted to shutdown their economy to deal with COVID-19.

    Sweeping assertion. Author is not in a position to know this or what’s planned by governments behind closed doors.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  114. Chinaman says:

    So who was patient zero on the aircraft carrier ? It is not hundreds of people that are arriving from the mainland so they must be able to trace who brought the disease onboard.

    We can be 100% certain those who went onboard was not Chinese and have never been to Wuhan, where did they contact it at that early stage of the spread of the disease?

    • Replies: @fish
  115. @anonymous

    He clearly doesn’t understand.
    The plague is the excuse to close down the economy. The pyramid of bubbles is the reason.

    When all is said and done four things will have transpired.

    1. The average American will be materially, noticeable and irretrievably poorer.
    2. Anybody born after 1990 will almost certainly live a far poorer life than their parents and grandparents. They will be renters not owners of their lives.
    3. The criminal cartel passing as banks will have received another $10-20 trillion in bailouts.
    4. The new economic system will, in all practical matters, be indistinguishable from feudalism.

    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @Expose the Talmud
  116. Chinaman says:
    @Really No Shit

    You said it like you are punishing little boys or your dog.

    Don’t talk about punishing others unless you actually have something on them. What you got on China ?

    Do you actually understand the relationship between US and China?

    China is propping America up. It is its banker and its manufacturing base.

    TRADE? Even if America want to punish us by not doing any trade with China , it is but 18% of our export and less than 5% of our GDP..we grow that much in a year, dumbass. TRY IT.

    Inflation will be 20% and your blacks and brown will be starting riots, killing whites and burning America down. Cheap Chinese goods is the only thing keeping them satiated for now.

    The Chinaman can punish America by dumping 1 trillion of US bonds effectively negating the stimulus.

    The Chinaman can punish YOU by stopping your meds and whole lot of essentials.

    Now, tell me how you what to punish 1.4 billion people? With your dirty keyboard that you masturbate on?

    Nukes? We got much better ones too…yours is from the 80s…

    America will collapse tomorrow if China decide to punish America…not the other way round

    Now, go reflect on that before you get punished!

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @fish
    , @Really No Shit
  117. Ruckus says:

    This article is actually consistent with his recent work. On his site he has an ongoing debate with a Covid narrative skeptic, and Brad has been taking the Establishment’s side. In the comments for this article on his site, there’s no accusation of an April Fool’s Joke.

  118. @Getaclue

    Amen. I can’t believe I’m reading a piece of shit article like Griffin’s on this site. Maybe it was supposed to published 2 days ago as a joke?

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @TRM
  119. @schrub

    Exactly. And as much as I love Ron Unz, I was very disappointed by his fear porn article from several days ago. It was the opposite of what I expected from a fearless truth seeker.

  120. @Bill Jones

    And don’t forget forced vaccinations with god knows what poisons, not to mention microchips. Bill Gates and his luciferian

  121. Ruckus says:
    @Twodees Partain

    This article is actually in line with his recent work

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  122. Polemos says:

    Like in Star Trek: Deep State 9, our version of the Founders have infiltrated the intelligence agencies within our parallel governments, like the Obsidian Order or Section 31 or the Tal Shiar, and set all of them up to implode. No one released the virus but everyone thinks the other did it, and now they’ll go after each others’ weaknesses from within and intensify a global war already underway and soon destroy each other. Meanwhile, the shapeshifters continue setting up the entire world for Dominion rule. Nevermind any loyal global intelligence agencies looking out for a common welfare for their people and others willing to work for a greater perspective together, losing our corrupt ones leave us not only blinded and traumatized but suddenly without their amoral tyranny over us. All our addicts without a condescending nanny state: all those Cardassians will turncoat. Even the Maquis will have a chance, but that’s when the Founders try their push into our universe.

    Pretty soon the wormhole aliens will arrive and allow us to play baseball outside again.

  123. @Emslander

    Should a passerby be able to charge a man, who was beaten and is dying on the street, the beaten man’s entire life savings to make a 911 call?

    • Replies: @Emslander
  124. KenH says:

    Let’s not forget that Dr. Brad Griffin Fauci is a trust fund kid who gets paid and will eat no matter what, so it’s easy for him to support a national lockdown and mock those who are skeptical. Pandemic porn is rampant in the some quarters of the racialist right and this article is an example of that.

    No doubt COVID-19 poses a certain threat level to the population but there’s a lot of agendas at work and the media, CDC, NIH, WHO and some state governors are hyping and exaggerating the threat to the max and trying get as much mileage out of this as they can. We being held captive to doomsday models.

    The Asian flue pandemic of 1957-58 killed 120K Americans and the nation didn’t completely lose its shit and shut everything down. If the population in 1957 was what it is in America today then total deaths would be approximately 240K.

    Although H1N1 was seemingly less lethal than COVID-19 it infected over 40 million Americans in 2009 according to the CDC resulting in almost 13K deaths. Again, we didn’t shut the nation down and hide under our beds.

    COVID-19 won’t infect over 40 million people or kill 240K yet we’re losing our minds.

  125. the Trump administration literally ran a simulation that predicted it would happen last year and that 586,000 Americans would die in a pandemic.

    Sorry that wasn’t the Trump administration that ran the scenario, it was the Rockefeller Foundation. and their final report included 4 scripted scenarios, each depicting a different response to their plan-demic. The first has the name “LOCKSTEP”. And, that is what we’re witnessing, living in, globally to day. Here’s the link:

    Right now we are in the midst of a drill. Similar to the drills that were happening in NYC on 911.

    • Agree: jbwilson24
  126. Not 1 scientist has ever isolated a virus from the human body. Not 1 scientist has ever, using an electronic microscope, photographed a virus isolated from a human. However, this virus theory is fact based on consensus. Not science. That’s how we do things today. The other day on twitter a ‘citizen reporter’ aired video of empty NY hospitals, empty tents set up for testing, no lines of waiting subjects. And, in response to his post he was asked if he was a holocaust denier. wtf? The holocaust? I guess there’s a relationship there, as that is history by consensus. Not by fact. Same a s NCOV19.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  127. Yusef says:

    “Any seller is free to give something to a destitute person who can’t afford it at free market value, but why should they be required to do that?”

    I can’t argue against the idea sellers shouldn’t be be required to give away luxury items to the destitute, but what about the necessities of life? What about food, water, medicine, shelter, or clothing for destitute people who are malnourished or starving, dehydrated or dying of thirst, enfeebled by illness or dying, freezing to death or burned by the sun?

    It is convenient for your argument to think of BMW’s as a good example, the harm of withholding them being merely emotional, and even that’s a questionable harm.

    BMW’s don’t work very well as the general case, though. In fact, I would say they are a very minor case. I’ve in fact never heard of people rioting or revolting over not having BMW’s. Never, ever, ever.

    I have heard of food riots. One reason sellers might be legitimately compelled to give free food would be to prevent such riots, which are dangerous and disruptive to the seller, the rioters, and the civil peace– in other words the society as a whole. The requirement to give up a share of the “sellers” proceeds to the greater benefit of society has been done through taxation. It used to be in America taxation was understood as necessary. Taxation without representation was what was decried.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  128. @Ruckus

    Not in my opinion. You’re entitled to yours.

  129. @John Johnson

    Take the quote at face value. It wasn’t an argument for Rand.

  130. @d dan

    Anti-communism is not synonymous with anti-Chinese.

    The numbers of this flu don’t justify turning this into a prison planet.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  131. “The virus doesn’t have a race or political party. It is an equal opportunity killer.”

    Is that true? Various reports in the media seemed to indicate at one point that certain ethnic groups were more prone to dying from the WuFlu.

  132. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, the low demand drugs that are out of patent can be very expensive due to low demand. Governments should set up not-for-profit labs to do this. I was reading that Canada once had a publicly owned lab called Connaught Labs that was set up around WW1 to produce drugs that there was no profit in. This lab was very successful and developed drugs such as Insulin which was discovered in Canada in 1922. In 1985 Canada had a Wall Street worshipping Prime Minister called Brian Mulroney that considered anything that was profitable and owned by a government should be sold to the highest bidder. Because of this mentality shared by many western leaders in the 80’s, China has us at her mercy.

  133. Polemos says:
    @Expose the Talmud

    Free speech allows us all the opportunity to listen to other perspectives and develop empathy or resolve in light of that exchange and challenge ourselves to what we aspire our Higher Calling to be. 🙂

  134. Polemos says:
    @the grand wazoo

    As people point out, there’s a certain amount of energy needed and waste disposal transport required when cremating large numbers of people. Asking questions or making statements about how easy or how difficult it is to ramp up today’s industries of human disposal leads the curious to other periods of history. How did they do it? What can we learn from them?

  135. fish says:

    So who was patient zero on the aircraft carrier?

    How the hell should I know?

    Your earlier comment seemed to imply that an aircraft carrier was somehow hermetically sealed with nobody coming aboard or leaving after the vessel puts to sea. People come and go frequently and with the long latency period it would take a fair amount of detective work to determine who brought it onboard.

    An exercise that I’m not going to undertake. Check with the Navy in a year…maybe they’ll have an answer by then?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  136. fish says:

    America will collapse tomorrow if China decide to punish America…not the other way round

    I would be very worried were that to happen! Be bad for us of course…..but that’s a nice country you have there…be a shame if something was to happen to it!

  137. lavoisier says: • Website

    Exactly. Note to Mr Unz. Don’t invite this man to post on your site: its credibility and reputation can only be damaged by his presence.

    Let him post. His intolerance is a good example for others not to follow.

    This is a complicated subject with a lot of unanswered questions. His style does not advance the argument.

  138. @Truth

    Don’t be fooled by big numbers. All Chinese numbers are big.

    There are 220,000,000 migrant workers in China–people who own homes in the country but are willing to travel to big cities to make extra money.

    Most of them have dual-SIM phones so they can use their ‘home’ SIM or their ‘city’ SIM depending on which is more economical for a particular call. It’s the kind of economizing that would not occur to us but it’s one reason they have more savings than we do.

    When it became clear that the country was shutting down for a few months, 9% of them discontinued the ‘city’ subscriptions. Probably because renewals were due and it was a way to save a few yuan.

  139. MarkinLA says:

    No Sweden is using it and it seems to be working reasonably well..

  140. TRM says:

    Thank you for the link. Yes it reads in a very accusatory tone.

    I still come down on the accidental release from either Wuhan or Fort Detrick. Those facilities are a joke. Read the books “Lab 257”, “Demon in the Freezer” and Ken Alibek’s book “Biohazard”. Mistakes happen all the time. SARS was accidentally released twice in Bejing after it was contained.

    So all those respiratory deaths last summer in the USA blamed on vaping? Exhume and test for SARS-CoV-2. Trace the genome. How many variants are in each country? The one with the most is usually the starting point.

    To bandy about the “conspiracy theory” moniker like he does weakens his argument.

  141. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    3,000 people died of Covid-19 in New York yesterday. That’s the equivalent of 5% annual flu deaths in this country. In. One. Day. In. One. State. The number of retarded comments by deniers on this site and elsewhere on the right wing blogosphere is just crazy. You guys have lost all credibility after this. You’re just a bunch of crackpots, weirdos, and imbeciles who can’t do basic math. You call yourselves nationalists, but you’re perfectly willing to let millions of your own people die for a paycheck. Terrible.

    >”Muh hoax, muh liberties, muh economy!”

    *We wouldn’t have had to sacrifice our economy if we had acted early, so you offer only a false dichotomy. See Japan, S. Korean and Japan as examples of how to do things — real nationalist nations, not this hysterical boomer fake nation.

    >”Muh everything is fine in Germany”

    *As all the surrounding countries are piling up deaths. That’s when a normal person would question the data.

    >”Muh some country should be a hotbed by now, but everything is fine. ‘Splain that!”

    *Yeah, let’s have a conversation about this thing called exponential growth. That same argument could have been made about NYC two weeks ago, and it would have been completely wrong.

    >”Muh hotspot”

    *This is happening in an awful lot of places for Italy to just be a fluke.

    >”Muh liberties. Let those who want to go outside go outside”

    *You don’t have any right to infect others. Park yourself at home rawhide. Your constitution will still be here when this is all over. Stop fearmongering.

    >”Muh economic downturn could hurt people, too”

    *Could …. could. We don’t know that at all or even to what extent even if so. We do know, however, that if we do nothing, two things will happen in short order 1) lots of people will die, probably more than originally thought 2) our economy will crash anyway as the hospitals are flooded, businesses close, and people stay at home in fear. The government will also lose legitimacy because it sat back and let huge numbers of middle-class people die for the good of the stock market. THAT could be way worse than an economic downturn. Funny how you “muh economy” types never factor that into your calculations.

    >”Muh some guy in the government said only 100,000 deaths”

    *Pretty sure that was the lower end of the estimate. Another official: 200,000 if we do everything perfectly … meaning, of course, that the death rate will be a multiple of that.

    >”Muh things are getting better in Italy”

    *Only because it is under an extensive lockdown, something you guys oppose for this country.

    Not 1 scientist has ever isolated a virus from the human body. Not 1 scientist has ever, using an electronic microscope, photographed a virus isolated from a human. However, this virus theory is fact based on consensus. Not science.

    Uh, we actually can visualize them with electron microscopes. There are pictures all around the internet. We can also grow them in the lab using cells as hosts, separate them with a filter much smaller than your average cell, and use the filtered virus to infect other cells. We can also sequence their genome. Seems like pretty good evidence they exist. Are people really this dumb or does the FBI spend all of its time sowing dissent? I’m hoping for the latter. At least then I could persevere the illusion that at least some people still have common sense.

  142. @Igor Svetnick's Bodyguard

    Wow, ten whole days? And unrelenting ones at that.

    You’re full of shit, BTW.

  143. TRM says:
    @Expose the Talmud

    That is the great thing about this site. I can read opinions 180 degrees apart and then read the comments for counterpoints.

    Each side can present their view with facts (hopefully) to back them up. Back and forth with the readers taking it in and making up their own minds.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  144. “ Try to be a good neighbor and citizen for once.”

    In liberal, multi-cultural America? Wow, I did not think Ron could find anyone more fucking stupid than Brainfree Roberts to write for him; well done!

  145. Wally says:

    Ah yes, FDR:

    Roosevelt & Stalin Started World War II in Europe

    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government
    By John Wear

  146. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    Must we wait two years for FDA clinic trials to prove treatment that will harm no one if attempted today?

    How do we know it won’t harm anyone? An unproven treatment might kill more people than it saves. The side-effects might be worse than the disease. At the very least we need to know how high dosages need to be. How can we know that without long-term clinical trials?

    We don’t even know for sure exactly how lethal COVID-19 is. So we can’t know if the “cure” is worse
    than the disease.

    And at the moment COVID-19 does not seem to be lethal enough to justify using unproven cures.

    This is not a movie in which genius hero scientists come up with a magical cure in a couple of weeks.

  147. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    3000 people didn’t die in NY yesterday.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  148. swamped says:

    “Don’t be the stereotype of The Ugly American who”…as the fictional Burmese journalist in the fabled novel describes, “For some reason, the [American] people I meet in my country are not the same as the ones I knew in the United States. A mysterious change seems to come over Americans when they go to a foreign land. THEY ISOLATE THEMSELVES SOCIALLY.”
    “Your liberty will still be there when the crisis is over as it was after the Spanish Flu pandemic. Try to be a good neighbor and citizen for once”…or you could end up in a re-education camp in permanent lockdown; something like the Uighurs in the country which gifted the world this mystery plague; whose totalitarian government didn’t exist during the Spanish Fl but which could be the ugly model that is coming: in a Chinese-style panprisonment.

  149. @Sick of Orcs

    But that is exactly what the USA is fighting for, a prison planet in which every country is in the American prison. Iran escaped from it. Cuba escaped from it. So they are America’s two greatest enemies. The EU countries are still in it. Of the Five Eyes, four are peeping out of the prison. No, their eyes are closed. China was never in it. Totally inexcusable not to be in the American prison.

  150. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    I guess that also includes letting the private market sell fake cures and hoard medical equipment.

    Of course. Anything else would be communism.

  151. camus10 says:
    @Carlton Meyer


    if this treatment combo pans out, then you have to assume the pharmaceuticals are combating a non viral etiology. And the fatalities are not caused by viremic sepsis

    HCQ and azithromycin are NOT anti-virals

  152. dfordoom says: • Website

    As an aside, Griffin comments that HIV can be countered with condoms and medications. There are also a couple little things called loyal monogamy and abstinence. Shows where he is coming from that he didn’t mention those obvious surefire ways to avoid being infected with HIV.

    Even just refraining from sodomy apparently helps.

  153. @onebornfree

    You go man…
    Don’t stop,you may be right?

  154. Levtraro says:

    My argument was not circular because I didn’t make any argument. I just showed that the report you quoted to support your conspiracy theory did not support your conspiracy theory.

  155. @Chinaman

    I really enjoy reading your comments. America has usually featured the best and the worst of most things and the way of the ugly American seems to be, enough is enough but more is better, or used to be anyway.

  156. @Anon

    Because JC would have wanted his followers to base their church in Rome and not Jerusalem, right? Perhaps had heard about the great food and beautiful women there. That makes perfect sense to me.

  157. @fish

    It would be very nice if they could offer an explanation for the missing trillions at the same time.

    • Replies: @fish
  158. @anon

    This comment should be stickied to the top.

    It really should.

    So the retards could maybe learn something.

  159. Emslander says:

    Of course, I used BMW as an argumentum ad absurdum. The idea is to point out that one man’s necessity is another man’s luxury. I want a free market to determine that, not you or any government agency.

    • Replies: @Yusef
  160. Emslander says:
    @Biggest Shoe

    Should a passerby be able to charge a man, who was beaten and is dying on the street, the beaten man’s entire life savings to make a 911 call?

    What’s the alternative?

  161. @Anonymous

    He was probably handed a script that had some 9-11 taking points mixed in.

  162. @cranc

    Yes, the heart of the matter here is the failure to distinguish the truth about this coronavirus from the meanings which are being imposed upon it by the powerful, and which clearly do not correlate. Unz figures it is for men like E. Michael Jones to do responsible journalism like that and for him just to push the mass media narrative, for whatever reason.

    Utu, a poster sensible in other matters, when it came to corona found himself all of a sudden preaching about “reality that matters.” When I asked him what he meant by that ambiguous phrase, he chose to retreat into the shadows.

    Nevertheless, it remains true that intellectual skullduggery buries itself. So do not be discouraged. The truth is mighty and it will prevail. The name Duesberg will take its place among the greats while that of Fauci among the rogue’s gallery, appearances to the contrary notwithstanding.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  163. @Chinaman

    A typical dirty yellow rat! You’re clueless … without the US there is no China. Your long diatribe shows you’re not in control and will come begging when shit really hits the fan. More than me, it’s the likes of you, a slimy little wanker, who loves his keyboard soooo much …

  164. Yusef says:


    “something necessary or indispensable: food, shelter, and other necessities of life. the fact of being necessary or indispensable; indispensability: the necessity of adequate housing. an imperative requirement or need for something: the necessity for a quick decision.”

    One man’s necessity is not another man’s luxury. You can’t decide to have BMW’s and no water and continue to live. You could, however, choose to have water and no BMW’s and do just fine.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  165. “Are we supposed to believe that there was a secret plot to tank the stock market and the global economy and wipe out trillions of dollars in wealth?”

    All of which benefits Progressives. I thought you were arguing against conspiracy theories?

  166. fish says:

    It would be very nice if they could offer an explanation for the missing trillions at the same time.

    Outside their investigatory purview I’d guess!

  167. Jazman says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    This cure is very damaging for heart messing heart intervals plus many other issues

  168. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I found this comment in the NYT story, Why The US Wasn’t Ready for the Coronavirus.

    My second thought is for Dr. Chu*: I presume her lab continues to conduct the tests for research, but is barred from sharing the results with public health authorities.
    I used to be the principal investigator on an IRB-approved non-clinical brain imaging study for research many years ago. We decided that in the rare case we detected an abnormality in a participant’s brain, we would strongly suggest that they consult a clinician. Similarly, perhaps your lab could inform a participant testing positive for the virus in your study to seek medical attention immediately.

    *Helen Chu is UW’s infectious disease specialist and after China sent out its Cover-19 alert on January 3, she asked permission to test for novel Coronaviruses in Seattle, as part of her ongoing ‘flu season testing program. The CDC refused and did not lift its injunction until March.

  169. @Miro23

    Hey there, Miro. So, I am increasingly coming around to the idea that this whole thing is literally The Flu as Mr. Wang Lin is telling us from his home in Lagos, Nigeria. 🙂

    Now, I haven’t concluded that yet, but that is where the key facts and logic are leading me.
    Let’s assemble some key facts that, in my view, point in this direction:

    1) We are biological entities living in a world full of all sorts of microbes

    2) All sorts of microbes, bacteria, viruses, etc. are in all of our bodies right now

    3) People who are relatively healthy and have decent immune systems “deal” with all of these body invaders easily and generally without noticing it.

    So, if the authorities decided to start testing a bunch of people for some particular virus, chances are that a bunch of people would test positive for it or show antibodies indicating that they had it at one time. Now, that doesn’t mean they were ever “sick” from it, if by sick we mean experiencing noticeable symptoms and discomfort.

    4) I have read that 7-15% of the flu viruses in any given flu season are so-called novel coronaviruses.

    5) So, each flu season tons of people out of the millions who get the flu each year get a novel corona flu.

    6) In any other year, these people would simply appear in the aggregate flu statistics.

    7) But in 2020, we are testing people for COVID19 and collecting a bunch of stats about these people.

    Who are the people dying?

    8) From the Italian studies we see an average age of 79.5 and 98% with 1 or more other pathologies. 76% had hypertension, 35% percent were diabetics and 33 percent had heart disease.

    Now, it is important to note: the Italian study describes these individuals as “paziente deceduti positivi COVID19” or “deceased COVID19 positive patients.” Note, this is different than saying people who died from COVID19.

    9) The WHO daily situation reports indicate that the mortality rate in Italy is about 11%.

    10) But this mortality rate is calculated as 100*(deceased while being COVID19 positive)/(total confirmed COVID19 positive via testing)

    Now, let’s go to school. Hi class, welcome to Stat101. Our first lesson is “The Importance of Random Sampling.”


    Understand, Italy has been under a form of medical martial law for 4 weeks. People need permits to exist their homes and only one individual per residential unit is allowed in public at once. Furthermore, testing kits are scarce and being used selectively to test those at highest risk of dying and those who come into the hospital for all sorts of problems are getting tested after they die.

    So the 11% mortality estimate is biased and inconsistent, to use the technical jargon, because the data generating process is such that the event of appearing in the numerator is highly correlated with the event of appearing in the denominator.

    Even if we decided to keep all those listed as “deceased COVID19 positive” in the numerator, random sampling would get a bunch of people with zero to mild symptoms and thus explode the denominator and lower the estimated mortality to something more consistent with the true population value which I imagine would be in line with the mortality stats of The Flu.

    Furthermore, I was listening to NPR two days ago and they were playing some hearing or press conference or whatever and the person was saying that testing kits in the US are being prioritized to those considered to be at high-risk. In other words, the method for collecting confirmed cases and corona deaths in the US has the same problem as the Italy stats.

    (Yes, I understand that you would do this from a medical policy point of view. But the stats need to be evaluated with the data generating process in mind, whatever the actual motivation for the process.)

    I know this is a oversimplifying but listen. It would be like if the government decided to test everyone who dies in a hospital for cannabis in their blood. You’d go in after being stabbed in a street robbery and bleed out in the hospital. The nurse is instructed to test you for cannabis and when you test positive you are recorded as a pot overdose death by the WHO. CNN proceeds to scare the shit out of all the pot heads, except they don’t go nuts because they are too lazy to care.

    And people just can’t process information anymore. Seriously, it’s like they have become stupid and the cause was Trump’s election!

    I was trying to have this conversation with someone who I have known my whole life to be intelligent and a critical thinker. He quoted me the 11% stat (which I verified) to try and convey the extreme health risk of the virus.

    He then proceeded to try to convince me of the severity of the thing by telling me that some big shot doctor on the cabal news had said that he believes as many as 1 in 4 Americans might have the virus right now (!). That would be like 80 million people.

    I responded: well, either it’s really deadly or 80 million people have it right now. But both of those things can’t be true. He had a hard time processing that one! That is what daily repetition of BS does; it short-circuits your logical faculties.

    Last thing: have our “leaders” completely lost the ability to do cost/benefit analysis? I mean, if they let this thing drag out, with months of quarantines and nobody going to work, they are going to produce a level of poverty that the world has literally never seen. It’s been 2 weeks in the US and we have 10 million jobless claims!

    The poverty and desperation are going to cause record crime, suicides, prostitution and rampant STD spreading, massive drug and alcohol addictions, homelessness and all sorts of viruses running through endless encampments.

    All so a bad flu doesn’t kill octogenarians who are about to croak anyway!

    There is only one logical explanation to me right now: this is how clown world preps for war!

    The collapsing of the economy is part of the preparation. All the desperate and poor will eagerly join to fight.

    Please someone, tell me I am wrong.

    (Bye the way, the article could be an April Fool’s joke. Mr. Wang Lin did a similar thing once.)

  170. “There ISN’T any global conspiracy.”

    What and idiotic statement, there are dozens of them. The greens, and their goddess Greta the Retard, is one group who are getting their agenda fulfilled by the plandemic.

    Another global conspiracy group are the Talmudic bankers who are getting their wildest wet dreams stimulated by the sex magick of the FED and other CB bailouts.

    But to completely ignore the covert war against China, Russia and Iran that is going all around the planet is pure and unadulterated idiocy.

  171. The Covid Project:

    USA 307,913 infected 25.9% of the world’s infected USA Dead 8,381 2.72% of infected die – .696% of the worlds infected USA Hospitalized 38,615 12.5% infected end up in hospital USA Infected in ICU 5.207 13.5%hospitalized end up in ICU USA On Ventilators 154 3% in ICU on ventilators

    DHEC Covid Website (SC):

    Infected 1,917 .62% of American infected Dead 40 Death rate 2.08% .47% of dead in America

    Our Governor has refused to shut down the entire state. I happen to agree with him.

    The majority of the infections and deaths are in large cities.


    The cities have chosen:
    Open Borders
    Sanctuary Laws
    Protection of illegals
    Mass Transit
    Packed living conditions
    Weakened law enforcement
    Funding for nonsense items over needed items
    Funding for illegals over citizens

    It is time to reopen our economy in areas where this virus is not out of control.

    NYC gets to cry everyday on the news about “needing more and more” Yet they planned for nothing.

    We are seeing reports of hospitals empty, parking lots empty, can we get media to look into this? Obviously not, why?

    It does not fit the agenda.

    Something smells in this crisis and I for one remain skeptical.

  172. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @SS-The Independent

    Agree, this conservative simpleton touted the insignificance of our healthcare system like it created a cure for cancer. He never once mentioned a solution to any problem.
    This is not a situation where everything returns to normal and America is great again. The basis of American greatness has been surpassed with Chinese capitalistic superiority. Accept the fact that we were once a great country that could have had a great universal health care system. The greatness of this country has been squandered by the wealthy who cared nothing about the healthcare of all. Now we are divided by a concentration of wealth that serves little purpose. The rose colored glasses are broken.

  173. @John Chuckman

    Quite a number of the “low intelligence individuals plus mental cases plus reckless hormone driven fools” are actually in public office. Do you really need a list? Would like rather have a list of mistakes made by public entities in the current situation?

    No thanks, I’ll keep my liberty.

    BTW, Your premise is very arguable, Instead, I think all the actions by the various nations and jurisdictions have largely proven nothing like the pattern you use to justify your “sweeping measures”. Once we get a view with 20/20 hindsight the differing death rates are likely going to be attributed to cultural and clinical reasons.

    Just a question to pose to your logic, are nations prone to “sweeping measures” generally better for the public health of their citizens, or worse, in a historical sense? Yes, you must count genocide, starvation, and war.

    Signed, Keeping it Ugly

  174. Dude dropped a perfect April fool’s joke, and how many didn’t catch it?
    The article would have been improved, if at the end, an admission was made. That way the people who don’t think before they comment (often myself, admittedly), would not have written all the comments attacking the author, but then again, the author may see that as much of the fun.

    Come on, people. “I have confidence in our public health system.” Or whatever the exact quote was. That has never been seriously said, by anyone except politicians.

    To the author, major cool points, pretty funny troll article!

  175. @anon

    3,000 people died of Covid-19 in New York yesterday

    Really ?

    The BBC must have missed that minor news item. And every other news organisation on earth also.

    Cretin alert.

  176. Emslander says:

    What if the only source of water is five miles away. You need a transport device. I will only drive a BMW, because all other vehicles are inferior and prone to breakdown.

    Who are you to decide that a BMW is not a necessity for me?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Yusef
  177. @James Scott

    Since Asia was the fount of civilisation while you people were still grubbing in the mud with sticks, I think you’ve got it back to front there, bucko.

  178. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Oh please, Greeks had colonies in North India thousands of years ago.

  179. Truth says:

    I will only drive a BMW, because all other vehicles are inferior and prone to breakdown.

    The regular hasbra guys must be on vacation so we have received some from The Onion.

  180. @Jeff Stryker

    And? Seleucus Nicator the Greek satrap was hardly ruling an uncivilised land and was totally whipped by the Indian Maurya Empire.

    Face it, Asia from Babylon to China was flourishing while Europe was a tribal morass. Which it still is going by the history of the 20th century.

  181. Yusef says:

    ” Who are you to decide that a BMW is not a necessity for me?”

    I am nobody to decide that a BMW is not a necessity for you…I am not a psychiatrist.

    If you were dying of thirst and refused to use any other vehicle than a BMW to go get it, you’ze plum nuts.

    I understand you are deeply resentful of people “deciding for you” and “telling you what to do”, or “thinking they know what’s best for you”. I am not so very fond of those myself.

    Nevertheless, it is simply not true I am attempting to decide what’s a necessity for you. I am trying you to get you to use the word “necessity” correctly, that’s all.

    Please be sure to tell me that’s also authoritarian.

    Who am I to say what the word necessity means and doesn’t mean?

  182. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    And, yet, when Europeans began to explore, colonize, and invent, they left everyone else in the previous millennium. White people literally brought modern civilization into being. Our mistake was in sharing the innovations that we created with the rest of the world and allowing others into our universities and laboratories. We also mistakenly aided others with developing their infrastructures.

    In exchange, we’ve been derided, guilt tripped, extorted and invaded by people who benefit from our benevolence, take advantage of our altruism, and play upon our collective conscience. Benevolence, altruism and conscience are qualities that are all but absent in ethnicities that have no thought of any people other than their own. Cooperation between minorities are only a symbiotic efforts to undermine the status quo. Once the White Man is “overcome,” multi-ethnic coalitions fall apart. For example, witness the Black flight from the ‘hoods that have become Hispanic barrios.

    The White Man will ascend again, when he finally realizes that putting his family, friends, neighbors and countrymen ahead of ungrateful and unscrupulous foreigners is not only in his best interest, it is the only way to survive the rising tide of color. It’s long past time that we lay the “White Man’s Burden” aside.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  183. @RadicalCenter

    Radical Center- I am happy that you mentioned how the majority in America don’t save. In the 1950s my parents taught us the value of saving . We were taught to prepare for tough days but that is not done anymore.

  184. @Cowtown Rebel

    White men only have to leave a colony for five minutes and it goes down the tubes. Friendly is a Bangladeshi, and look how well the Pakistanis ran that after the English left.

    White men leave a city for five minutes and it collapses into corruption, squalor and crime from Detroit to Los Angeles (Though Hispanics at the top of the food chain are white men descended from European aristocrats).

    Mexicans are getting what they want. Los Angeles has collapsed into disease and drugs as Anglo and black alike flee.

    Whites win simply by leaving. They leave a country or a city and it crumbles. Indians and Chinese are not unintelligent, but the former is dishonest and slimy and the latter is left-brained and callous with undeveloped moralities.

  185. COVID-19 is highly infectious like H1N1 while being a more moderately lethal and thus deadlier version of SARS. It destroys the respiratory system like SARS and can attack other vital organs.

    SARS-CoV-2 is not more lethal than the original SARS virus which had a case fatality rate approaching of about 9.6%. The following study from the New England Journal of Medicine puts the two in perspective:

    If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively. (Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted by Fauci, Lane, & Redfield, retrieved from

    Another difference is that SARS is on the UK government’s list of high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) developed by a joint Public Health England (PHE) and NHS England HCID Programme, while COVID-19 has been removed from that category:

    As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

    The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

    The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID. (“Status of COVID-19”, GOV.UK, retrieved from

    It is a serious exaggeration to equate SARS-CoV-2 with the original SARS virus. The new virus is simply not as dangerous. It’s easy to see that the media and government response to this virus is going to:

    1. Destroy the private sector
    2. Nationalize the American economy
    3. Eliminate the freedom of association
    4. Nationalize the medical system

    If you are a Fascist or a Communist, then federal takeover of the private economy and individual liberties will be music to your ears. If you are an American who, ugly or otherwise, loves his country and his freedoms, this is a sad day.

    • Agree: Yusef
  186. luke2236 says:

    Precisely. The author is either blind, stupid or part of the problem.
    This is so obviously orchestrated to crumble Western economies and regime change that Helen Keller could see it. The red chinese have used it to rid themselves of ‘excess labour supply’ and conveniently rid themselves of dissidents.
    Whilst few are saying ‘there is no such thing’ , we also know that the [naturally occuring] strain of this has been identified and written about as early as 2005. This has been weaoponised – by the (((usual suspects))) – in order to create a ‘new world order’ where they have 100% of the money and power as opposed to only 98% like now.
    So far, its not as bad as last years ‘flu season’.

  187. thordaddy says:

    The “Hunter” got turnt.

    I’d say César Tort has severely infected him.

  188. @Servant of Gla'aki

    Try to be a good neighbor and citizen for once.

    Would a true Southern gentleman construct this sentence in such a snide and uncharitable manner?

    Nope… that’s the sort of thing that you would expect to be uttered by a Karen.

    The article is the work of a scold, not a skald.

    This is made obvious in the bit where the writer claims that ‘millions’ would be at risk if Western economies had not been given a bolt-gun to the head (the sensible action would have been to isolate and protect the chronically-ill elderly, who are the only people who are dying in what appears to be above-normal numbers[1]).

    [1] “Above normal numbers” (i.e., ‘excess deaths’) is itself a concept that – like CFR, R[0] and ZOMFG EXPERNENSHUL!!! – is being used by the grifters (and their enablers) to scare housewives and other innumerates.

    The way the chicanery works for ‘excess deaths’, is to pretend that there is no interval around the 5-year average of aggregate annual deaths – i.e., that it is a constant, and not a random variable. (Why is 5 years used? Why use a sample size that is too small to yield meaningful estimators of volatility of deaths about the mean?)

    In the normal course of events (i.e., with ‘balanced’ demographics), the number of deaths should be expected to rise with population. In each age cohort, some proportion of people dies every year; the proportion for each cohort rises as the cohort age rises (i.e., more old people die, than young).

    This is the empirical regularity that was first recognised by two Scottish clergymen who went on to found Scottish Widows (so named because it was a contributory mutual fund set up to furnish pensions to the widows of Scottish clergymen).

    What they found was that although it was not possible to determine the lifespan of an individual (e.g., predicting the death date of a specific person), it was significantly easier to determine the annual mortality of a large number of similar people – at least to a reasonable precision, given a relatively large sample.

    Their insight was an implementation of the Law of Large Numbers – something that had been around for hundreds of years at the time (stated without proof by Cardano in the 1500s; proved by Jacob Bernoulli in 1713), but with little application (except for it application to understanding games of chance).

    Anyhow… point is: this is not a demographically-balanced environment.

    A low-TFR environment – as has been the case in the West for almost two genrerations – results in more oldies than young’uns. Since oldies have a higher groupwise likelihood of death, the total number of deaths per year should rise faster than population. This is the causative mechanism behind a negative ‘natural increase’ (i.e., native population declining over time).

    Notice what this means: not only is the overall number of deaths not constant – total deaths as a proportion of total population isn’t constant either. Deaths/100k, for example.

    Then there’s the fact that the proportion that dies in each cohort is not a constant: it is a random variable – it has a distribution.

    So the proper empirical question (as this relates to covid-hysteria) is whether any increase in number of deaths in each age group and overall, is meaningfully greater than some sensible interval around the expected path of total deaths (either in ‘raw’ terms or in proportional terms).

    The reason why short-term point estimates are the wrong basis for comparison is a moderately difficult thing to explain to first-year undergraduates in econometrics (I know, I’ve tried), and thus would be literally impossible to explain on HousewifeTV: this is why charlatans like Sanjay dotGupta can get away with repeating the version that has been deliberately chosen in order to spook the Doomers.

    If I was conspiracy minded (regarding the origin of the SARS-nCoV2 virus) I would not rule out that the virus was engineered not as a weapon of war, but to deliberately reduce the growing number of oldies in order to save tens of billions of dollars in age-related government benefits.

  189. You only need to watch the USA Presidential debates to understand how pathetic DC is –The Three Stooges would be hard pressed to beat this gong show presentation and as for God installing Trump in 2016 —what would Franklin- Washington- Jefferson say? Whatever happened to Mencken- ???

  190. @Really No Shit

    11 weeks sat laughing and pointing but Trump told you it was just like the flu and later that a miracle will arrive and keep USA safe—science was completely overlooked. Second wave for the election but based on the last debate —–better to watch Saturday AM cartoons –more informative.

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