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While the so-called liberal and conservative corporate mainstream media – all stenographers for the intelligence agencies – pour forth the most blatant propaganda about Russia and Ukraine that is so conspicuous that it is comedic if it weren’t so dangerous, the self-depicted cognoscenti also ingest subtler messages, often from the alternative media.

A woman I know and who knows my sociological analyses of propaganda contacted me to tell me there was an excellent article about the war in Ukraine at The Intercept, an on-line publication funded by billionaire Pierre Omidyar I have long considered a leading example of much deceptive reporting wherein truth is mixed with falsehoods to convey a “liberal” narrative that fundamentally supports the ruling elites while seeming to oppose them. This, of course, is nothing new since it’s been the modus operandi of all corporate media in their own ideological and disingenuous ways, such as The New York Times, CBS, the Washington Post, the New York Daily News, Fox News, CNN, NBC, etc. for a very long time.

Nevertheless, out of respect for her judgment and knowing how deeply she feels for all suffering people, I read the article. Written by Alice Speri, its title sounded ambiguous – “The Left in Europe Confronts NATO’s Resurgence After Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine” – until I saw the subtitle that begins with these words: “Russia’s brutal invasion complicates…” But I read on. By the fourth paragraph, it became clear where this article was going. Speri writes that “In Ukraine, by contrast [with Iraq], it was Russia that had staged an illegal, unprovoked invasion, and U.S.-led support to Ukraine was understood by many as crucial to stave off even worse atrocities than those the Russian military had already committed.” [my emphasis]

While ostensibly about European anti-war and anti-NATO activists caught on the horns of a dilemma, the piece goes on to assert that although US/NATO was guilty of wrongful expansion over many years, Russia has been an aggressor in Ukraine and Georgia and is guilty of terrible war crimes, etc.

There is not a word about the U.S. engineered coup in 2014, the CIA and Pentagon backed mercenaries in Ukraine, or its support for the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion and Ukraine’s years of attacks on the Donbass where many thousands have been killed. It is assumed these actions are not criminal or provocative. And there is this:

The uncertain response of Europe’s peace activists is both a reflection of a brutal, unprovoked invasion that stunned the world and of an anti-war movement that has grown smaller and more marginalized over the years. The left in both Europe and the U.S. have struggled to respond to a wave of support for Ukraine that is at cross purposes with a decades long effort to untangle Europe from a U.S.-led military alliance. [my emphasis]

In other words, the article, couched in anti-war rhetoric, was anti-Russia propaganda. When I told my friend my analysis, she refused to discuss it and got angry with me, as if I therefore were a proponent of war I have found this is a common response.

This got me thinking again about why people so often miss the untruths lying within articles that are in many parts truthful and accurate. I notice this constantly. They are like little seeds slipped in as if no one will notice; they work their magic nearly unconsciously. Few do notice them, for they are often imperceptible. But they have their effects and are cumulative and are far more powerful over time than blatant statements that will turn people off, especially those who think propaganda doesn’t work on them. This is the power of successful propaganda, whether purposeful or not. It particularly works well on “intellectual” and highly schooled people.

For example, in a recent printed interview, Noam Chomsky, after being introduced as a modern day Galileo, Newton, and Descartes rolled into one, talks about propaganda, its history, Edward Bernays, Walter Lippman, etc. What he says is historically accurate and informative for anyone not knowing this history. He speaks wisely of U.S. media propaganda concerning its unprovoked war against Iraq and he accurately calls the war in Ukraine “provoked.” And then, concerning the war in Ukraine, he drops this startling statement:

I don’t think there are ‘significant lies’ in war reporting. The U.S. media are generally doing a highly creditable job in reporting Russian crimes in Ukraine. That’s valuable, just as it’s valuable that international investigations are underway in preparation for possible war crimes trials.

In the blink of an eye, Chomsky says something so incredibly untrue that unless one thinks of him as a modern day Galileo, which many do, it may pass as true and you will smoothly move on to the next paragraph. Yet it is a statement so false as to be laughable. The media propaganda concerning events in Ukraine has been so blatantly false and ridiculous that a careful reader will stop suddenly and think: Did he just say that?

So now Chomsky views the media, such as The New York Times and its ilk, that he has correctly castigated for propagandizing for the U.S. in Iraq and East Timor, to use two examples, is doing “a highly creditable job in reporting Russian crimes in Ukraine,” as if suddenly they were no longer spokespeople for the CIA and U.S. disinformation. And he says this when we are in the midst of the greatest propaganda blitz since WW I, with its censorship, Disinformation Governance Board, de-platforming of dissidents, etc., that border on a parody of Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Even slicker is his casual assertion that the media are doing a good job reporting Russia’s war crimes after he earlier has said this about propaganda:

So it continues. Particularly in the more free societies, where means of state violence have been constrained by popular activism, it is of great importance to devise methods of manufacturing consent, and to ensure that they are internalized, becoming as invisible as the air we breathe, particularly in articulate educated circles. Imposing war-myths is a regular feature of these enterprises.

This is simply masterful. Explain what propaganda is at its best and how you oppose it and then drop a soupçon of it into your analysis. And while he is at it, Chomsky makes sure to praise Chris Hedges, one of his followers, who has himself recently wrote an article – The Age of Self-Delusion – that also contains valid points appealing to those sick of wars, but which also contains the following words:

Putin’s revanchism is matched by our own.

The disorganization, ineptitude, and low morale of the Russian army conscripts, along with the repeated intelligence failures by the Russian high command, apparently convinced Russia would roll over Ukraine in a few days, exposes the lie that Russia is a global menace.

‘The Russian bear has effectively defanged itself,’ historian Andrew Bacevich writes.

But this is not a truth the war makers impart to the public. Russia must be inflated to become a global menace, despite nine weeks of humiliating military failures. [my emphasis]

Russia’s revanchism? Where? Revanchism? What lost territory has the U.S. ever waged war to recover? Iraq, Syria, Cuba, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, etc.? The U.S.’s history is a history not of revanchism but of imperial conquest, of seizing or controlling territory, while Russia’s war in Ukraine is clearly an act of self-defense after years of U.S./NATO/Ukraine provocations and threats, which Hedges recognizes. “Nine weeks of humiliating military failures”? – when they control a large section of eastern and southern Ukraine, including the Donbass. But his false message is subtly woven, like Chomsky’s, into sentences that are true.

“But this is not a truth the war makers impart to the public.” No, it is exactly what the media spokespeople for the war makers – i.e. The New York Times (Hedges former employer, which he never fails to mention and for whom he covered the Clinton administration’s savage destruction of Yugoslavia), CNN, Fox News, The Washington Post, the New York Post, etc. impart to the public every day for their masters. Headlines that read how Russia, while allegedly committing daily war crimes, is failing in its war aims and that the mythic hero Zelensky is leading Ukrainians to victory. Words to the effect that “The Russian bear has effectively defanged itself” presented as fact.

Yes, they do inflate the Russian monster myth, only to then puncture it with the myth of David defeating Goliath.

But being in the business of mind games (too much consistency leads to clarity and gives the game away), one can expect them to scramble their messages on an ongoing basis to serve the U.S. agenda in Ukraine and further NATO expansion in the undeclared war with Russia, for which the Ukrainian people will be sacrificed.

Orwell called it “doublethink”:

Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty.To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality one denies – all this is indispensably necessary….with the lie always one step ahead of the truth.

Revealing while concealing and interjecting inoculating shots of untruths that will only get cursory attention from their readers, the writers mentioned here and others have great appeal for the left intelligentsia. For people who basically worship those they have imbued with infallibility and genius, it is very hard to read all sentences carefully and smell a skunk. The subterfuge is often very adroit and appeals to readers’ sense of outrage at what happened in the past – e.g. the George W. Bush administration’s lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Chomsky, of course, is the leader of the pack, and his followers are legion, including Hedges. For decades they have been either avoiding or supporting the official versions of the assassinations of JFK and RFK, the attacks of September 11, 2001 that led directly to the war on terror and so many wars of aggression, and the recent Covid-19 propaganda with its devastating lockdowns and crackdowns on civil liberties. They are far from historical amnesiacs, of course, but obviously consider these foundational events of no importance, for otherwise they would have addressed them. If you expect them to explain, you will be waiting a long time.

In a recent article – How the organized Left got Covid wrong, learned to love lockdowns and lost its mind: an autopsy – Christian Parenti writes this about Chomsky:

Almost the entire left intelligentsia has remained psychically stuck in March 2020. Its members have applauded the new biosecurity repression and calumniated as liars, grifters, and fascists any and all who dissented. Typically, they did so without even engaging evidence and while shirking public debate. Among the most visible in this has been Noam Chomsky, the self-described anarcho-syndicalist who called for the unvaccinated to “remove themselves from society,” and suggested that they should be allowed to go hungry if they refuse to submit.

Parenti’s critique of the left’s response (not just Chomsky’s and Hedges’) to Covid also applies to those foundational events mentioned above, which raises deeper questions about the CIA’s and NSA’s penetration of the media in general, a subject beyond the scope of this analysis.

For those, like the liberal woman who referred me to The Intercept article, who would no doubt say of what I have written here: Why are you picking on leftists? my reply is quite simple.

The right-wing and the neocons are obvious in their pernicious agendas; nothing is really hidden; therefore they can and should be opposed. But many leftists serve two masters and are far subtler. Ostensibly on the side of regular people and opposed to imperialism and the predations of the elites at home and abroad, they are often tricksters of beguiling rhetoric that their followers miss. Rhetoric that indirectly fuels the wars they say they oppose.

Smelling skunks is not as obvious as it might seem. Being nocturnal, they come forth when most are sleeping.

(Republished from Edward Curtin by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived.

  2. There is not a word about the U.S. engineered coup in 2014

    US political interference in Ukraine started at least TEN YEARS before 2014.

    The ‘Orange Revolution’ started in November 2004, when the electorate split East/West and the result initially looked like going to Yanukovych – who was from Donetsk and was significantly pro-Russian and anti-EU.

    So the CIA had its printer go brrrr, and nek minnit there was a ‘spontaneous’ uprising that began in Western Ukraine…. where people spontaneously grabbed their professionally-printed banners and flags and so forth, and went and overthrew the government.

    Yuschenko – the West’s favourite – was declared winner in the second election, but by 2010 his regime was so ‘on the nose’ that Yanukovych ran again and won. So the CIA had to foment a new coup, but it had trouble getting traction: tooko 4 years of fomenting to get the next ‘spontaneous uprising’ with professionally-printed protest kit.

    This particular cake as been a long time baking.

    The clock started in 1991 – not 2022, not 2014, and not even 2004.

    The Empire of Lies (aka GloboShlomo) has been goading Russia since the first kikes got off the plane during the Yeltsin era and began looting the place.

  3. TheLast says:

    A fantastic article that really describes the duplicity of those who supposedly speak for the downtrodden. It is doubtful that anyone will speak up for truth anymore in this technological age of post-truth falsehoods. It is going to be just lies from now on, leaving us regular folk to try our best to glean what’s going on from the half truths interspersed with the outright lies all around.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Wokechoke says:

    Call it Double Thinker’s Delight.

    Here’s many many things that are true that you want to hear, and here’s the bullshit for you to swallow. Shoving it down your own throat with relish.

    The main takeaway from this war is that we got a lot of things wrong about ww2.

    Most of the ethnics in the Western Areas of the USSR were patting the Germans on the back as they zoomed toward Moscow.
    The French were probably 1/3 fascist and welcomed the Wehrmacht.
    The British shit stir.
    The US is the Imperium.
    A lot of war is pure theater.

    things about this war.

    Zelenskyy isn’t an actor he’s a Lawyer. He went to law school.

    Biden is a child of military contractors made rich in the East Coast. He’s a Tycoon benefitting for grifts in Ukraine.

    Putin is both the most menacing Machiavellian politician–who’d roll into Berlin without the US helping us all–in our era; and he’s an angry little man, bent on reviving the USSR, with a lousy military.

    Germany commits economic suicide.

  5. Levtraro says:

    Excellent article.

    Perhaps leftist commentators are State assets but it may also be that over the issue of Russia and Ukraine they are torn between their need to promote anti-war, anti-propaganda and anti-fascists messages versus their hatred of Russia as a conservative society and of Putin personally as a conservative leader.

    • Agree: Alfred, chris
  6. Running with the herd. “I’m with them”. Hero worship. Follow the flag. Get on the train to vacationland. The propagandists know their man. A lifetime of indoctrination. Just prepare yourselves for the 5 stages of grief when their house of cards collapses. Only they will never get past stage 4.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  7. Good article, thanks. It’s been discouraging to see how thoroughly some self-described leftists are buying the mainstream narrative about Russia’s SMO in Ukraine. The redoubtable Gonzalo Lera has a new video in which he touches on what the author Michael Crichton calls “the Gell-Mann amnesia effect”. This theory notes that a person with specialized information may read a media report that completely confuses or misrepresents his area of specific knowledge, and so he recognizes how unreliable mass media reporting really is. Yet he will still believe in the accuracy of the other reports he reads in the same newspaper or website.

    Lera, by the way, supplies on the ground reporting of the Ukraine situation from Kharkov. Unlike other dissenters who permanently disappeared in its custody, the SBU, Kiev’s Gestapo, recently released him after a week’s detention, probably due to his international following. His video commentaries are available on Bitchute; Lera was one of the many alternative voices kicked off Youtube in the past two months.

  8. Notsofast says:
    @Kratoklastes

    there is an excellent article currently on southfront by matthew ehret that delves into the dark lord moloch brown and the evil eye of soros and their relationship to deep state color revolutions. it also reveals their connection to dominion voting systems (formerly diebold) and their election rigging that has been put into place all over the world since the shrub administration.

    • Agree: antitermite
  9. nosods says:

    “This is simply masterful. Explain what propaganda is at its best and how you oppose it and then drop a soupçon of it into your analysis. And while he is at it, Chomsky makes sure to praise Chris Hedges, one of his followers…”

    Chomsky also had a ‘soupcon’ of praise recently for another dissenting talking head who is NOT one of his followers (or vice versa), asserting in an interview with a Dutch journo in response to a question about Ukraine:

    “So going back to the one Western statesman — he didn’t mention all of this but he suggested something similar: move toward negotiations and diplomacy instead of escalating the war, try to see if you can bring about an accommodation which would be roughly along these lines, his name is Donald J. Trump.
    But let’s tell the truth: he’s the one person who’s said it and it’s the right way out. Others have said it too but not in high positions.”

    Did he just say that? Yes, he did. If that’s ‘doublethink’, it’s pretty ingenuous. Chomsky’s foreign policy analyses are usually “masterful” – & truthful – it’s his domestic policy positions, e.g. open borders, homo marriage, abortion, CRT, vax, etc.(the standard liberal pc line), that are much less palatable.
    The late Alexander Cockburn used to urge a ‘grand coalition’ against foreign wars, comprising the anti-war left & the anti-intervention right. Still a good idea. All the 57 votes in Congress against the whopping \$40 billion military aid package to Ukraine were actually by Republicans. How “pernicious” is that?? Such subtleties.

    • Replies: @Skeptic2
  10. The left is owned by jews.

    The right is owned by jews.

    The media is owned by…..jews.

    jews hate Russia.

    It’s so hard to figure out what’s going on.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Marcali
    , @Durruti
    , @USA1943
  11. Yes, they do inflate the Russian monster myth, only to then puncture it with the myth of Sampson defeating Goliath.

    Huh?

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  12. Biff says:

    By deception we wage war

    Some Jerk

  13. The American invasion of Iraq was more successful because it was far more brutal. The Americans started a mass bombing campaign to knock out every bridge, cell tower, government office, telephone exchange, power plant, and TV tower. Russia has mostly refrained from inflicting such damage.

  14. saggy says: • Website

    Excellent article, but then ….

    The right-wing and the neocons are obvious in their pernicious agendas;

    The ‘right wing’ is equated with the neocons?

    Great Scott! It’s like the author did EXACTLY what he accuses (correctly) Chomsky and Hedges of.

    There is a litmus test, and I’ll guess that Curtin fails it, the holohoax.

    As expected, guilty as charged …Ed. Curitn – https://countercurrents.org/2017/09/why-i-dont-speak-of-911-anymore/

    By referring to September 11 as 9/11, an endless national emergency became wedded to an endless war on terror aimed at preventing Hitler-like terrorists from obliterating us with nuclear weapons that could create another ground zero or holocaust.

    • Agree: peterAUS
  15. Nosods: You may be confused, possibly otherwise. One thing for certain is that your reference to Alexander Cockburn is cockamamie. Cockburn was an accommodationist. He refused to recognize that 911 was an Inside Job. That was and remains my litmus test.

    In order to protect his protected status as a “respectable” dissenter, Cockburn went along to get along. Any public commentator who pushes the meme of 19 Arabs with boxcutters doing the dirty deeds is nothing more than a cowardly shithead…even if duly dead.

    Chomsky may be a total tool or he might be a deluded politically correct intellectual whose Jewish derivation allows him some latitude in hacking away at some of the overhanging branches of corporatist, high finance shenanigans; thus most successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of pseudo-intellectual virtue-signaling over-miseducated dupes of the duplicitous.

    Hedges gets an occasional airing on Consortium News, an outlet which treads a fine line between going along with the Deep \$tate agenda and featuring true anti-imperialists such as Dianna Johnstone. Pay-Pal went after C.N.’s contribution financing, but then they kissed and made up.

    Seems like there are very few outlets which are truly members of the Resistance.

    • Thanks: Doug Hillman
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  16. @Observator

    Certain publications such as the Chew Pork Slymes are totally toxic. Breathing a few whispers of true reality in that rag or the WaPo and on and on throughout the financier backed corporate media are for the most part strictly verboten. Danger zones. Can’t go there. Gotta stay “on message”.

    If a given medium receives plenty of print or air space; we can rest assured that it is in bed with the
    CIA and those occulted and carefully adumbrated shotcallers who give the Agency it’s marching orders.

    Yes Virginia, even the CIA is but a tentacle of a powerful nexus of political control; an Uber-bourgeois and utterly ignoble set of moneymongers whose agenda is total and absolute domination over the entire human race.

    The Oligarchy, however, is a bit nervous right now. It seems that a certain Eurasian power has stood up to their agenda and is to be treated by all mediums of socio-economic-military control as something far beyond the status of a mere pariah.

    Critical thought and personal independence are under massive assault. Now is the time for all good men and such women as have awakened from programmed petty concerns, to come to the aid of the generality of humanity.

    Coming to the aid of one’s country in this ruptured republic once known as America is no longer a valid undertaking. This land is in the hands of predatorial and parasitical aliens who detest and abhor those who would be free of their chains and shackles. It is high time to dismember the Empire of Lies.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Ace, InnerCynic
    • Replies: @W
  17. peterAUS says:

    Hahaha…….nice one.

    Blah…blah…blah….(message):Russia is winning…blah…blah…blah……(message):Russia is strong…blah…blah…blah….

    A slick piece of work along Chomsky’s example, just from the Kremlin’s angle.

    If only the rest of Putin’s propaganda was like this.

    • Replies: @Doug Hillman
  18. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    A most important analysis thank you. Antiwar.com is very much guilty of these manipulation in its writing these days – tragic

  19. Wielgus says:

    It depends what you think of as the “left”, I suppose. It was however striking for me that the reaction to the violent death of Gaddafi in 2011 from Hilary Clinton and Alex Callinicos was virtually the same – gloating and rejoicing. Clinton needs no introduction of course, but Callinicos is or purports to be a doctrinaire Marxist in Britain, moulded by Trotskyism. His type were claiming that Libya was going through a genuine revolution, and chose to ignore the somewhat obvious colour revolution characteristics and Western interference.
    We are probably going to find sooner or later that much of the apparent doctrinaire left are under the control of their own states. Maybe the Chomskys and Callinicoses were always agents, maybe they were blackmailed – whatever it is, it amounts to controlled opposition in the fullest sense of the phrase.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @JM
  20. Thrallman says:

    …in the business of mind games too much consistency leads to clarity and gives the game away,

    This is insight.
    When a war is happening, ambivalence is support for the war.

  21. Ghali says:

    “In the blink of an eye, Chomsky says something so incredibly untrue that unless one thinks of him as a modern day Galileo, which many do, it may pass as true and you will smoothly move on to the next paragraph”. This is the “clever way” Chomsky has been putting his followers (the “Left” pack) to sleep. But, it is very easy to know Chomsky if you do a bit of reading and look at Chomsky’s sources. Chomsky is a Ukrainian Zionist Jew. He is well-trained propagandist and an opportunist.
    Anything Chomsky said/says and wrote/writes about The Manufacturing Consent was not his. It is plagiarism, and he is very good at it. The MSM love Chomsky, iconized him and popularised him like no one before. Because he is falsly portrayed as ” the opposition”.
    By the way, Ukraine is not Iraq. Iraq was a defenceless nation. The Iraqi Resistance fought heroically against some 30 US-led well-armed armies. By contrast and with the exception of Russia, Ukraine is the largest and the most armed country in Europe. For eight years, the U.S.-led West poured all kinds of weapons and thousands of international mercenaries (terrorists) into Ukraine in preparation for aggression against Russia. Cleverly, Russia’s pre-emptive Special Military Operation took the Nazis by surprise. Despite the U.S.-led West efforts to prolong the war, the Operation is nearly over no matter how spread and how false is the anti-Russia propaganda.

    • Agree: Rev. Spooner
  22. TJ Pattberg says: • Website

    Chomsky is a good cookie. When he was young, he took on the government, the banks, the corporations. He is very old now and should not expose himself in social media, but retire with dignity. However, he just needs the attention I guess. All leftists will come around and betray their cause eventually. Near death and life’s end are conservative. Accept the things you can’t change. Love Big Brother.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  23. @Kratoklastes

    “07:50 just read the books {The CIA – 70 years in Ukraine}
    07:51 to see how the the CIA has relationships
    07:55 with the security services in Ukraine
    07:57 and as soon as the coup was launched it
    08:00 took over control of those security
    08:03 services and it started drawing of the
    08:05 hit lists that of targeting people that
    08:08 it could go after and the reason it’s
    08:10 targeting the people that target targets
    08:13 most highly or the people that are
    08:14 sitting on natural resources that
    08:18 American businessmen want . . . “ ?

    • Thanks: Agent76
  24. JR Foley says:

    https://tnc.news/2022/02/28/freeland-caught-holding-pro-nazi-banner-at-ukraine-protest/

    Things are hot in Ottawa where Chrystia Freeland ( Granddaughter of Chomiak who was Stepan Bandera’s newspaper supporter) is second in command next to the lad in charge –Justin “Jackboot” Trudeau. Jackboot went to Kyiv and met Zylenskyy and both likely discussed how their future lies in big money in the movie business–Zylenskyy now has 189 million over the last year and Trudeau is right in there with an island for safe harbor —-later when things collapse with Sky-High Debt.

  25. Herr K says:

    Perhaps Covid was the real turning point, where the “left” was turned into outright liers. Perhaps many of them are now full of fear, and so completely switched to the other side.
    It seems also that the pharmaceutical/banking complex is closer to the “left” (closer to “women”, who “care for people”), and perhaps this is another force at work here (together with the promotion of sexual perversion).
    Most of the “left” moreover seem to be placed at “universities”, where they belong to the new powers — now that they have the (some) power they must throw away the old pretense of “fighting power”.

  26. MarkU says:

    The best way to control the opposition is to be the opposition.

    Back in the day, I met a trade union guy who tried to warn me about Noam Chomsky. I wasn’t really interested because I was still young enough to know everything, he turned out to be right though. Sad to see Chomsky pulling the sort of crap that he himself once warned us about. I stopped listening to Hedges years years ago, I can’t even remember the specific reason. Were they always gatekeepers and deep state backstops or were they blackmailed? It matters little at this point in time.

    • Replies: @W
    , @JWalters
    , @Wielgus
  27. Wielgus says:

    A decay of the left in the West is noticeable in recent decades. Nobody on the left had mistaken the Nicaraguan Contras for revolutionaries, though some Trotskyists complained about the Nicaraguan “Stalinists”. But more recently, other forces acting as hitmen and assets for the US Empire have been praised as “revolutionaries” by significant sections of the left. When “rebel” areas of Aleppo were falling to the government, some of this type of left shrieked that the rebels were like the Paris Communards in 1871. Nope.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @Anon
  28. The best propaganda is earnest and even unintentional. Nineteen Eighty-Four is a perfect example; it’s so ubiquitous, virtually everybody knows the themes and lessons. So ‘everybody’ considers themselves perceptive and vigilant when it comes to propaganda and fascism… and most ‘everybody’ is utterly unsubtle, which means actual propaganda and oppression goes unnoticed as such.

    One might make the case that getting everybody familiar with Nineteen Eighty-Four was essential in making it a reality.

  29. Tom Welsh says:

    This is a very useful and instructive article. It brings out the much-overlooked fact that hardly anyone is – or even can – be right about everything. We live in a world that is stuffed full of people arguing dishonestly for their own interests, and even such ideally objective subjects as science and medicine have become seriously obfuscated by disinformation.

    I very much admire Dr Chomsky, and often quote his remarks. However I completely agree with Mr Curtin that Dr Chomsky has expressed hopelessly wrong beliefs about Ukraine and Covid-19, to name but two topics. (He is also often criticised for unwillingness to criticise Israel).

    But the fact remains that Dr Chomsky has done admirable work in his professional field of linguistics as well as in exposing the vast extent of official lying. His work and his views in those fields are of huge value, and should be accepted and acknowledged.

    Because there is so much deliberate (and often subtly disguised) lying in our world, even the cleverest and best-informed people are often – indeed, usually – wrong about some things. Our host Mr Unz himself has been quite wrong about very important matters, but – much to his credit – is always quick to admit such mistakes when he discovers them. It is as well to bear in mind that even Isaac Newton, the father of modern science, considered his studies of the Bible, ancient history, and alchemy more important than his work in physics and mathematics.

    I am interested in a variety of questions nowadays, as since retirement I have more leisure to study. The matters I find interesting and important include anthropogenic global warming, Covid-19 and other viral diseases, Western neo-imperialism, propaganda and disinformation in general, most of what passes for economics as a special case of disinformation, the state of Israel, the relative merits of Russia and China vis-a-vis “the West”, the limits to growth, military history and science, etc.

    Rather few prominent writers share my beliefs about all those subjects, and I often find that someone whose expertise I greatly value about, say, virology or Covid-19, holds what I consider seriously wrong opinions about, say, Russia and China, or “climate change”.

    Many otherwise sensible people have a dangerous inclination to throw the baby out with the bath water; when someone like Dr Chomsky is mentioned, they insist that his ideas about Ukraine or Israel are incorrect – and that therefore everything he says should be distrusted or ignored.

    That way lies madness! Hardly anyone is right about everything, so – no matter how difficult or unpleasant it might be – we must try to pick out the strands of truth and usefulness from the delusions and misinformation which so often surrounds them. This is an old and honourable activity, which is called (among other names), “scholarship”. Black-listing and excluding everyone who says anything with which one disagrees is hopeless, as it leads to a narrower and narrower view of reality. Moreover, it plays into the hands of our enemies, the powers that be, by dividing us against one another so that we cannot even agree on anything, let alone accomplish anything.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Thanks: JWalters
  30. Deadbeat says:

    If you want to know who is behind these events then take a look at Chomsky’s avoidance of those events.

    • Agree: ariadna
  31. GMC says:

    I’ve made it a point to ask All my friends here in Crimea that have friends and family in Ukraine – which is most everyone here in Crimea, to tell me those views of Russia and of their prez Zelinsnky. I finished my experiment this week. Everyone of them replied the same thing – all those friends and family in Ukraine Hate Russia and Love Zelinsky.!! Then I told them that everyone I’m in contact in the US have the same ” disease’ .

    It’s obvious that the MK Ultra that is being used is on steroids , of course the more stress on the populace, maybe the easier it is to Program and Propagandise the populaces. Both countrys’ have been stressed out for years now and the propaganda and social constrains/laws, in both countrys’ is at an all time high. I doubt if Russia will be able to salvage most of those Slavic folks .

    And if Russia doesn ‘t close that ” Ho Chi Minh trail” coming out of POland and Romania- we are in for a long war.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  32. paulo says:

    Live from the last congress of the European Democratic Left:

    It must be recognized that NATO has not ceased to expand since the fall of the USSR, without respecting the guarantees given to Gorbachev, and that Russia has the right to ask some questions (approving murmurs in the audience).

    But this does not excuse Russia’s war of aggression on Ukraine (applause from the audience), Russia’s denial of the Ukrainian national identity (more applause), the horrible crimes committed by the Russian army (loud wave of applause), and the unacceptable objective of preventing a young democracy from joining the European family and its humanist and democratic values (standing ovation for 15 minutes).

    • LOL: GMC
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  33. @Observator

    Lira is an enigma. Here is a man who purportedly got “picked up” by the SBU (do we really “know” this for a fact because only HE says so?), goes offline and then pops back up and continues babbling the very things that, there again, got him picked up in the first place! Say what? Wouldn’t you out of respect for your wife, and your own neck, not shut the hell up? That’s why I can’t listen to him anymore.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Rogue
    • Disagree: ariadna, A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @GMC
  34. Miro23 says:

    A good article. Curtin shows the psychological manipulation (basically sophisticated lies) used to enable political objectives.

    9/11 is probably the best example. A sophisticated PNAC web of lies + mass murder to enable the destruction of the Middle East.

    The present Kagan/Nuland objective is the destruction/regime change of Russia. It’s not going too well (Russia wasn’t supposed to make a pre-emptive strike). So they will likely fabricate another 9/11 to galvanize public opinion. Then they put NATO troops/aviation directly on Ukrainian soil and get an accelerated mass slaughter (Europeans this time rather than Arabs).

  35. Amon says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The clock started the day Putin won his presidential election.

  36. Amon says:

    As I said on twatter, if Ukraine really was winning this war then they wouldn’t need 40 billion in new weapons, a five billion euro loan per month, a massive dis information campaign nor would they be begging for the US/NATO to intervene and put up a no fly zone.

    There will come a time when Russia decides they have given Ukraine enough chances to surrender and will simply steamroll over the US puppet regime.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @annamaria
  37. Safebet says:

    Just as they put in controlled opposition in elections they have controlled opposition in the media. It is classic psy ops at its best they appear to oppose the obviously propaganda narrative
    thereby gaining influence and a following from those who oppose the propaganda.

    They sow the seed of doubt (that maybe the propaganda is partly true) often in subtle ways.
    Then at moments of crises they spout the obvious propaganda making a split and causing disunity in the people who originally oppose the propaganda.

    The strange fact is that the beliefs that cause these splits are often more firmly clung to than the initial disbelief in propaganda.

  38. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    There are many, many scores, probably hundreds, like Chomsky and Hedges that visit and comment at this site and similar others, namely Moon of Alabama, Strategic Culture and Saker, bearing names like Matthew Ehret or who give themselves titles like SEER (Moon of Alabama).

    You can unpack them in the snap of a finger, simply by pointing out a logical error. But their mobs will come back at you in a second and begin calling you names — exactly the way MSM readers comment and think.

    In his article above, Edward Curtin fails to see that the propaganda lies distributed by Chomsky, Hedges et al were made and brew in their hearts and minds and were never found in the empirical truths outside their persons. That is, objective facts don’t matter to them! Restated another way: these people are just as bigoted, as psychopathic and as selfish as the national, connected elites and the MSM they criticize.

    Anglo-American intellectual, political and social lives, or whatever that’s left, are fucked. But carry on…. White man! Don’t let us, or anyone else, interrupt you. So you can all see why MSM and the western elites had it so easy — democracy, you see — with their audiences, the taxpayers and their voters over Ukraine, before that the world, and so on.

    Russia has finally woken up to the fact above: that Europeans and those they beget in America are a barbaric, uncivilized culture. The Chinese told them that. Hence, Russia ought to, like China, begin to design and create a gargantuan firewall separating the West and the Rest. Language and the Immigration are excellent starting points: you don’t want Anglo-American poison in your homes, not even if they wear Cossack or speak in tongues. Russia needs, first and foremost, to protect and preserve its own and Motherland. The Chomskies can fry inside Anglo-America, along with their like-minded.

    Those we’d admit must be verified by years and years of scrutiny: Michael Hudson and Andre Vitchek being the standard. The like of Chomsky and Hedges will never be admitted into our ethical, rational society but will be kept out — at all costs! — so they may remain in Anglo-America to help eat itself, from the tail up. A person like Andrew Anglin? He’s a wait and see….

  39. Sarah says:

    I particularly remember this paragraph to read and reread before reading, listening or watching anything from the MSM :

    …I have long considered a leading example of much deceptive reporting wherein truth is mixed with falsehoods to convey a “liberal” narrative that fundamentally supports the ruling elites while seeming to oppose them. This, of course, is nothing new since it’s been the modus operandi of all corporate media in their own ideological and disingenuous ways, such as The New York Times, CBS, the Washington Post, the New York Daily News, Fox News, CNN, NBC, etc. for a very long time.

    👌

  40. @Here Be Dragon

    “The world wants to be deceived.”

    Yes. Most people insist on being lied to, since most people prefer fairy tales to reality. They insist on being brainwashed and enslaved. Hence they gobble down the lies of politicians and media outlets. They value b.s. more than they value friends or even family members.

    For example, many people worship Big Pharma so hard that they condemn spouses, siblings, parents and children who question vax mandates. Even here at U.R., anyone who questioned the pharma narrative was attacked as an “anti-vax crackpot.”

    As for Chomsky, he has always been a latent Jewish supremacist, and at age 93 his dementia is so advanced that he no longer cares about personal hygiene.

    Chris Hedges poses as a pacifist, yet he subtly indulges in “Hooray for our side” militarism. He pretends to attack the lies in order to defend them. He calls Putin “revanchist” because the media outlets tell him to. He boasts about “nine weeks of humiliating defeats” even as Defense Secretary (sic) Lloyd Austin begs Putin for a cease-fire in Ukraine. And of course Hedges champions all the lies about World War II, the “holocaust,” and so on.

    Fairy tales. The mob is always right. The media are always truthful. The New York Times is gospel. If Biden says it, then it’s good enough for me as an “intellectual.”

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  41. So, Mr Chomsky skillfully analyses what propaganda is, traces its history in the US, tells the innocent people about Bernays and Lippman, and how the US Government used media as its mouthpiece, and then deftly inserts a para approving the reporting of Ukraine war…

    Somehow I don’t think he is doing this to protect the interests of the US Government, or those of NATO. Yes, his statement supports the US and the NATO, but could that be his intention? I am not convinced. There could be two reasons for this disingenuous comment:

    1. Mr Chomsky does not want to get canceled by the propaganda media

    2. Mr Chomsky’s endorsing the US and NATO is a by-product, and his intention is to protect the oligarchs behind the American actions in the Ukraine…

  42. @Wokechoke

    “he’s an angry little man, bent on reviving the USSR, with a lousy military.”
    Revive the USSR? You have drunk deep of the kool-aid.

    • Agree: nosquat loquat
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  43. @Kratoklastes

    Right now one such “spontaneous” uprising is going on in Srilanka. I wonder what the results will be. I guess the resultant government will repudiate Chinese debts. Then China may expect similar debt repudiations from other countries…

  44. Since ‘subtil’ in French doesn’t have all the meanings that ‘subtle’ in English has, I wouldn’t have used ‘subtlety’, I would rather have used ‘perfidy’, but with regards to the article’s content, I couldn’t agree more with the author.
    I am afraid however that explaining the perfidy of the Left’s rhetoric, pertaining to Russia and to just about every subject dear to the Left’s hearts, to a public that boasts of ‘subtlety’ but barely holds any is a Sisyphean task.

  45. ebear says:

    “Smelling skunks is not as obvious as it might seem. Being nocturnal, they come forth when most are sleeping.”

    They mostly come out at night. Mostly.

    • Replies: @TKK
  46. @Wielgus

    It’s always instructive to see how the British state treats the leaders of left parties vs right parties.

    Nick Griffin and the BNP leadership were in and out of the courts on various “hate speech” charges for 15-odd years. Alex Collinicos of the SWP?

    “He was Professor of Politics at the University of York before being appointed Professor of European Studies at King’s College London in September 2005. ”

    Obviously a tremendous threat to the elite class of the UK 😉

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  47. @animalogic

    I think Wokechoke was being ironic.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  48. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    @James Charles Doug Valentine is good, but the idea that they are not going after “plumbers” is false. The Azoz battalion was a soccer team. The CIA trained a soccer team. They were not businessmen.

  49. Che Guava says:

    I haven’t paid any attention to Chomsky for many years. He has been playing the same trick for a long time.

    Like another figure set up as a demi-god for the western left, Freud, Chomsky’s claim to academic fame, generative grammar, is easily and long debunked.

    Even simple thought experiments and experience with bringing up children from babies to infants will debunk it.

    Yet, as the writer of the article says, his mutterings are treated by the western left as being on the same as or a higher level than genuinely genius goy discovers and thinkers.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  50. Marcali says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Especially if you don’t know that Jews loved Russia while it was a communist colonial empire called Soviet Union.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  51. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Here Be Dragon


    In case you’ve been wondering why so few people in our country are worried about nuclear war with Russia, it’s perhaps because they’ve spent the last three years worried about fake things.

    • Replies: @Corrupt
    , @Ace
    , @Tbmcc
  52. @A little boy in the crowd

    T.S. Eliot wrote: “Humankind cannot bear very much reality.”

    It is warm and safe inside the cave. Here are most of our family and friends. Together we can comfortably sit and watch the familiar shadows flicker across the wall.

  53. Chomsky a modern day Galileo, Newton, and Descartes rolled into one is in the same vein as Soros broke the Bank of England and Mark Zuckerberg turned down one billion dollars while still wearing diapers.

    Jewish pomposity has never known any bounds. Every last one of them is a P. T. Barnum at heart promoting interest of theTribe. Chutzpah is the word the Jew uses to describe his outlandish behavior. And unfortunately, we have to suffer the mental holocaust in silence because we don’t kniw how to shut them up!

  54. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    In academia hatred against Russia is sometimes overt. Consider this article by Larysa Yakubova, PhD, a faculty member at Doetsk Christian University:

    “The Beast from the Void. Putin’s fascism: How it came about and what it wants” (https://uacrisis.org/en/putins-fascism)

    Note the dehumanization of the people of Russia:

    “A lion’s share of Russian soldiers that are now dying in Ukraine are those that were born and raised during Putin’s reign of the last twenty years. Today, in the days of military euphoria, the absence of a natural clinical reflex (signalling human life and human lives in a way) to the tragic events taking place is completely absent among Russians. However, it is likely that the ‘patient’ was already unresponsive and unlikely to be ‘alive’. The collective conscience of the Russian people often showed the world their inability to construct a modern, humane and law-based society. To the contrary, the Russians expressed the will to participate in a country of all-out violence, as it has always been the case historically.”

    Racism here is blatant, even for a propaganda organ such as Ukraine Crisis Media Center. *

    Often, in academia bias takes the form of omissions (e.g., the fact that Russia lost tens of millions of civilians in WWII is ignored) and false claims, such as this one:

    “this is the first time in 80 years that there has been a significant war in Europe”

    https://www.sacredheart.edu/offices–departments-directory/diversity--inclusion/community-statements/ (Feb. 24. 2022)

    Here, President Petillo fails to mention the war in Yugoslavia, which involved massive NATO bombing campaigns; nearly 100,000 were killed. He fails to mention that the conflict in Ukraine began in 2014 — over 16,000 were killed even before Russia’s military operation. How can these evens *not* be significant? And aside from this, all wars are significant.

    UCMS’s sponsors include: USAID, NATO, UNICEF, Embassies of the US, Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland, to name a few. (https://uacrisis.org/en/pro-nas)

    • Thanks: Rev. Spooner
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Marcali
  55. aandrews says:

    If you can’t sleep because of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict…“there are some advices”.

    • LOL: Thomas Faber
  56. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    * Correct URL of second link above: https://tinyurl.com/2p8z99av

  57. @TJ Pattberg

    Although he has penned many very good books and articles, Chomsky was a controlled opposition sayan since day one, and that has always been his (hidden) duty, goal and ultimately, his greatest lifetime achievement, at least from a zionist’s perspective. It was obvious to me early on.

    I recall an awesome (and jewish!) radio interviewer in the late 1990’s trying to get Chomsky to talk about Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians (as all good jews should, IMHO), and Chomsky was ridiculous/disgusting in his open covering for the apartheid state, saying over and over, “No, that would not be productive” and he never answered a single question the interviewer posed that in any way questioned the actions or policies of Israel or zionists.

    And to his dying day, Chomsky will assert that Israel is controlled by the USA, and not vice versa. (Despite Ariel Sharon allegedly saying otherwise to Shimon Peres on October 3, 2001, shortly after 9/11, as reported by Kol Israel radio in Israel: “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”)

    Btw, my wife was watching Chinese news from the mainland and there was an interview with a well-known Chinese intellectual talking with a German newsperson, and the Chinese gentleman stated flat out: “America is controlled by Jews and Jewish interests”. So the Chinese know the score as well (unlike Chomsky) and that is likely just another reason why they, too, must be destroyed (after Russia, of course.)

    • Replies: @Ghali
  58. Skeptic2 says:
    @nosods

    My wife and I have come to believe that far more often than not, Donald J. Trump is right. When he says stuff in his inimitable fashion its easy to disagree, or laugh, but when you think about it, and events unfold, it turns out he’s right. Al least more so than most others.

    The solution here is negotiations, diplomacy and accommodation. Not escalation, which is madness. As the dominos fall, escalation in Ukraine will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like children fighting on the playground.

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @Rev. Spooner
  59. @Jim Richard

    Most will be stuck in stage one. To abandon denial is to realize one is wrong. Just look at the Covid cult.

  60. @Carlton Meyer

    Yes, your simple comparison tells us which entity happens to be the Evil Empire of Lie\$.

  61. @Che Guava

    Isn’t it amusing how the spin works for connected Jews. Chomsky is intellectually gifted, but creatively inert. If one is “Chosen” and is part of the Tribal Team, then the elevators and escalators into rarified levels of prestige and power are automatic. Consider for a moment the trio of Khazarians who head up the senile one’s team of Disinformation Czars. The female clown, for instance, would hardly have the moxie to sing in a high-school chorus line.

    In a Talmudic dystopia, the scum always rises to the top. Their own incompetence will ultimately take down their entire house of cards.

    Right across the fruited plain, those who were not thoroughly brainwashed in institutions of “higher” learning have caught on to the shtick and are mumbling semi-publicly. It’s just a matter of time till rural America will decide to cut off the megalopoli.

    The self-chosen elites will be victimized by the swarms of zombies which they have created. Greed, fear and hunger will erase the guilty as well as the innocent. It could happen even this summer, should it be a hot and muggy one. Two years ago I was staying only a few miles from the George Floyd rioting and arson. This time it may hit the comfy, cozy burbs…tragic, but predictable.

    • Agree: Che Guava, Passing By
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  62. @Levtraro

    You make an excellent point. Also, if leftist commentators acknowledge that the Ukraine government is a nest of corruption that the Biden crime family laundered \$ billions thru for years, their premise that the 2016 election was legit begins to crumble.

    The suppression of the Hunter laptop story along with fraudulent mail in ballots removed Trump from office. They Hate the people who put Trump in office, but can never admit they used tyrannical deep state/oligarch thugs to get their way, those same bad actors that they have rightly opposed in the past. They now shamelessly support the FBI, CIA, drug companies, censorship and defense contractors.

    They have sold their souls.

    To be fair, most conservative commentators did the same with the support of the Patriot Act and opposition to campaign finance reform. We thought large corporations and security agencies would always be on our side, and look where that has got us.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    , @Levtraro
  63. Z-man says:

    Humm, no mention of the joooooz. Just for that the article FAILS not that I read most of the thing anyway. 😃
    The Jews hate Putin and Russia more than… well as much as Christ Himself. The Jews own most of the media, what they don’t own outright they influence and intimidate.
    The BBC, a mouthpiece now for the Cabal, has no dissenting opinion from the Globohomo (International Joo) narrative. Their ‘week in review’ show had three ‘guests’ who were tripping over themselves to say Putin bad, NATO good. If you can’t see the obvious hypocrisy and fake reporting then you’re beyond redemption.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  64. ariadna says:
    @Observator

    It’s LIRA. Gonzalo Lira. Here he is giving a notable histrionic performance to demonstrate how propaganda works:

    Of those giving reliable video reports on Ukraine (Alex Christoforou from Greece, Alexander Mercouri from the UK and Lira from the belly of the beast — Kharkov) he is the only thespian. Informative and entertaining.

    • Agree: Levtraro
    • Replies: @Avery
  65. @Sam Hildebrand

    Should read 2020 election not 2016. I am horrible at proof reading my own writing.

  66. @Tom Welsh

    Discernment in depth is far more facile for those of us privileged enough to be retired from the madness of the rat-race.

    We do disagree regarding Chomsky. He is extremely valuable for those who create the Agenda, because of his generally sterling reputation amongst the chattering classes.

    Noam is playing the role of an extremely limited hangout. There are many gradations of usefulness to the minderbinders running the control nexus.

  67. annamaria says:
    @Amon

    Actually, they should streamroll over the US puppet regime owned by the Banksters/Warmongers cabal

    • Agree: Agent76
  68. ariadna says:
    @Skeptic2

    “My wife and I have come to believe that far more often than not, Donald J. Trump is right. When he says stuff in his inimitable fashion its easy to disagree, or laugh, but when you think about it, and events unfold, it turns out he’s right. Al least more so than most others.
    The solution here is negotiations, diplomacy and accommodation.”

    No kidding. Your wife and you must have missed not Trump’s twits as much as many of his actions:
    Did he negotiate with Syria to gain approval for declaring the Golan Heights Israel’s territory?
    Did he attempt “negotiations, diplomacy and accommodation” with Iran before tricking the Iranian general Suleiman into going to Iraq to have him assassinated and then bragged about it?
    What about his Warp Speed munificent gift to the pharma developers of bioweapons? Did he listen to dissenting scientists’ voices?
    Unlike you and your wife, many people do not just “disagree or laugh”, they shudder.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  69. Brilliant brief analysis from Curtin. I completely agree.

    I have a French friend–writer, novelist, translator–with putative “far-left” (i.e., he fancies himself an anarchist) beliefs, who, while opposing mandates, is “fully vaxed” and utterly blind as to the Ukraine conflict, seeing no contradiction in supporting a CIA-sponsored far-right coup government (and probably thinking “that’s not true”).

    I think it has something to do with having published in Le Monde Diplomatique and a few other high-profile places. He figures that, since these bigwigs got it right about his own brilliance, they must be right about most other things. So in many ways it boils down to the PTB’s skill at playing to our vanity and using it against us.

    This is a common problem. It’s why “controlled opposition” types like slob Slavoy Zizek, who fancies himself a “revolutionary marxist,” will never lead a revolution. They will never bite the hand that feeds them. They just blather their rah-rah gobbledy-gook and then, as Curtin points out, slip the poisonous lies in when most are not looking.

    This is why I love and respect ur-successful figures like Pier Paolo Pasolini (who fought the power till it killed him) and Jean-Paul Sartre (who refused the Nobel prize). They do bite the hand that feeds them. And they never relent.

  70. Agent76 says:

    Apr 29, 2022 The Intelligence Community & the Ukraine War w/Phil Giraldi

    Latest on the Ukraine Russian war with Phil Giraldi, former CIA Case Officer and Army Intelligence Officer.

    Feb 3, 2022 Why Putin cannot allow Ukraine to join NATO

    And if it does… it will destroy itself. He explains.

    March 23, 2022 NATO Is a Problem, Not the Solution

    While in no way excusing Russia’s criminal invasion, NATO expansion eastward increased its likelihood. Although we’ll never know if the war would not have happened under different circumstances, after a month of Russian violence against Ukraine the two countries’ negotiators have reportedly agreed that it will reject joining NATO as part of a peace pact.

    https://yvesengler.com/2022/03/21/nato-is-a-problem-not-the-solution/#more-3717

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @erzberger
  71. Antiwar7 says:

    Chomsky has some good insights, but: 1) he can be dishonest, and 2) his judgement can be faulty.

    Regarding 1), I once was watching him interact with students, and someone brought up a criticism of the Sandinistas, and his reply seemed disingenuous and dismissive.

    I have more respect for Edward Herman, the co-author of his famous book, Manufacturing Consent.

    • Agree: Agent76
  72. W says:
    @emerging majority

    Do the Redshields seem nervous? Do any of the people with real power seem nervous? I doubt it.

    Putin supports QR codes and killshots, and is allowing Russian gold to be sold to the UK.

    His fight is with middle management Cabal, and that may staged.

    • Agree: peterAUS
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  73. @Levtraro

    While overall a decent article, Mr. Curtin did make a serious faux pas (if that’s what it was) near the essay’s end. To wit: “The RIGHT-WING AND the NEOCONS are obvious in their Pernicious Agendas; Nothing is really hidden; Therefore, then Can and SHOULD BE Opposed.”

    Seriously, is Curtin telling us that the Right and Neocons are cut from the same cloth? Hogwash! The Right and Republicans are hardly the same thing.

    Many on the Right, including TUR readers, are opposed to everything the neocons stand for. In fact, the Dissident Right, rejecting war-loving Republican RINOS, are the only large group of people opposing the democrats war on Ukraine. (Even AOC and the Squad have lined up behind the Biden/Pelosi War.)

    Neocons, OTOH, never met a US-instigated war that they didn’t support. And they are in NO WAY creatures of the Right – the late Justin Raimondo labeled them Trotskyites.

    These two opposing groups should never be included in the same sentence, as if they are aligned, when, in fact, they are mortal enemies. Curtin, with his call to oppose the Right, unmasks himself as a Leftist. He’s guilty of the same things as Chomsky and Hedges. Channeling his next-to-last sentence, I smell a “skunk.”

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Levtraro
  74. Che Guava says:
    @emerging majority

    Also. I truly doubt that he was ever ‘gifted’. As I said, his whole academic reputation rests on ‘generative grammar’, long debunked.

  75. The zionists control the MSM and the proof is both the demon-rats and the republi-cons are both lock step for Ukraine and for the war on Russia, it is a zionist cause in the zionist controlled Ukraine for communism and the zionist one world government.

    Russia is fighting for Christians and against the zionist NWO, God bless Russia.

    By the way when the 40 billion is passed next week, the total, that is known, will be 63 billion of our taxpayers money pissed away in the cesspool known as the Ukraine, and that is money that we do not have but is printed out of thin air by the zionist central bank the FED and this debt is laid on the backs of the American people forever, for the benefit of the zionists owners of the FED.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  76. @Carlton Meyer

    The jew media claims that Putin is a butcher for the death of a few thousand…..while we carpet bombed Iraq…..murdering a million innocent people.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  77. W says:
    @MarkU

    I stopped listening to Hedges years years ago, I can’t even remember the specific reason.

    I’m a right winger who enjoys plenty of leftwing journalist, but this guy is a worm.

    He uses the term conspiracy theory in the pejorative often, he promotes the mail bomber false flag and blames it on Trump, this was so ridiculous the Ministry of Truth ignored it after a few days.

    He calls his opposition “Christian fascist”, racists, bigots etc.

    When he got banned from YT, he blamed qtards, pizzagaters and conspiracy theorists.

    Hedges is a regressive that appears to be a progressive at first glance, but if you look hard enough it’s easy to see him for the scumbag he is.

    That that’s why you stopped following him.

  78. Durruti says:
    @Robert Dolan

    jews hate Russia.

    Not all Jews hate Russia. There are Jewish Oligarchs in Russia who supported the Russian rescue of Syria. In one move, the Russian leadership blocked the Zionists’ most cherished dream of achieving:

    1. One huge powerful National & International Military entity, (Eretz Israel), with which they might control the Planet.

    2. Asserted the inter religious split among Jews. For centuries, Russia has been a powerful National Magnet. Its’ citizens, Jewish, Christian, Moslem, Buddhist, atheist, gravitate toward their Homeland, RUSSIA. A quick perusal of Tolstoy’s finest Novel, War and Peace, will educate on the powerful National magnet exerted by Mother Russia.

    3. Not all Jews hate Russia, nor do all serve the most powerful Rothschild Oligarch conglomeration.

    The mere fact of the Russian Armed Forces, Shooting, pushing WEST, is an indication (soft concept used), of some significant different political direction, manifested by some powerful forces (that is- forces not controlled completely by the Zio/mostly Rothschild & in-tow allies/Imperialists).

    Unfortunately necessary hemming and hawing:

    The major European GAS pipelines, that serve Europe, that transport Russian Natural Gas -West, are, apparently untouched by the bloody conflict in Kievan Rus. If I were a soldier in this conflict, I would stand, station myself as near to these Pipes, as possible. Soldiers & civilians die, but the \$\$ profitable business of buying and selling energy resources goes on. Despite all the bombs and artillery fire, not a hair, not a scratch, not even graffiti, is allowed by either side, to so much as dent these valuable pipes. I had an article that explained this point, REMOVED/CENSORED from the misdirectionist ‘Saker’ website.

    *I have noticed that the so-called ‘Alternate Media‘- Censor, control their information even more tightly than the better known ‘Mainstream’ Media‘. The ‘alternates’ created by the Mainstream Oligarchs to misdirect opposition, are not dedicated to achieving a Democratic Republican political goal. The concept of LIBERTY is as lost, alien to them, as it is to the Zio/Imperialists, and their Mainstream Media, if not more so. Note: the Mainstream at least claims to favor Democratic Republican Governments. They lie; but their lies are less ugly than those of the ‘Alternates.” But I digress. Or do I?

    Truth with Love and Liberty- are often casualties, or goals that are unobtainable by our in/Human species.

    But the Dream, the Goal, will only die with my death!

    Dr. Peter J. Antonsen – nom de guerre, Durruti

  79. A simple logic that is key to undoing propaganda –
    if you know that someone is willing to, or even already guilty of, lying / cheating / murder.. on those whose care is entrusted them,
    You will never trust them again.

    Most leaders – certainly nearly all of the western world leaders – do not represent their people.

    They represent their own interests, which in some (most?) cases involves the “deep state apparatus” that installed them.

    The population they supposedly serve, are instead merely a resource, a currency of sorts.

    This is not news to anyone who frequents here.
    It is not news to Mr Chomsky, who has written books about it.
    But is it a leap too far for the sheep, especially the highly educated ones as described by Mr Curtin?

    I suspect that root of the delusional thinking, particularly by those with critical-thinking, is a form of self-preservation.
    At some primitive level, it takes a lot to swim against the current.
    Especially by those who have more to lose, such as tenures at MIT, and everything that goes with it…

    • Agree: peterAUS, Miro23
  80. Oliver Stone isn’t this kind of leftist; his documentaries explain clearly what went on in the Ukraine.

    • Agree: GMC
  81. Very interesting talk about the Ukraine situation. Covers all these bases and then some –

    https://odysee.com/@RyanDawson:6/FourHorsemenMcAdams:3

  82. @Robert Dolan

    Agree, and not only Iraq, but Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria, not to mention the the creation of AL CIADA aka ISIS and all it’s offshoots and this was all brought about by Israels and traitors at the highest levels of the ZUS government’s attack on the WTC on 911 and blamed on the muslims to give the excuse to destroy the middle east for Israel’s greater Israel agenda.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Miro23
    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  83. @Agent76

    While in no way excusing Russia’s criminal invasion, NATO expansion eastward increased its likelihood. Although we’ll never know if the war would not have happened under different circumstances, after a month of Russian violence against Ukraine the two countries’ negotiators have reportedly agreed that it will reject joining NATO as part of a peace pact.

    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO because of Donbas. You can’t apply with a contended border nor can you apply with an active proxy war.

    They were also never backed by Germany and France. NATO membership requires a unanimous vote.

    But don’t expect anyone at Unz to do that kind of research. If a half pint dictator says his bloody war is because of NATO then it must be true. Well the dictator has already changed that explanation to protecting Donbass after his failed attempt at taking the capital.

    Putin is terminal and trying to take as much of Ukraine while he can. Just another greedy Tsar with major compensation issues.

  84. GMC says:
    @InnerCynic

    Ya – there is a lot missing in this case. My former experience with Ukie authorities is – you better have some serious cash in order to get out the situation you have ” put yourself in”. lol or Not.

    Either Gonzalez has serious money, serious opposition connections or he is one sweet talken SOB and was dealing with some rather good SBU guys. And I’m sure there are some good ones. I have nothing against him but he’s one hell of a Maverick. But someday – I wanna hear the rest of the story.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  85. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:

    The Anti-Russia skunks call Alexander Dugin “Putin’s brain”, as though Putin doesn’t have a brain. What trash!

  86. @W

    You appear to be rather certain of your perspectives. So show us some proof from relatively objective sources.

    • Replies: @W
  87. @John Johnson

    “Half-pint dictator”. Well, he is known to play the piano with his kosher salami.

  88. Diego says:

    In general, I’ve come to the conclusion that among my most trusted sources of information or opinion are those that are consistently anti-war throughout the years. This is not only for politics, but for economics, social issues, etc. I find that consistently applying the principles of anti-war no matter the regime in charge is a good way to measure one’s credibility.

    • Agree: emerging majority
  89. The following 28 Jews are in Creepy Joe Biden’s Cabinet

    and most important Administrative positions:

    [MORE]

    1) Doug Emhoff, Jewish Husband of Kamala Devil Harris
    2) Janet Yellin, Jewish Secretary Treasury
    3) Anthony Blinken, Jewish Secretary of State
    4) Robert Klain, Jewish Chief of Staff
    5) David Cohen, Jewish Deputy Director CIA
    6) Merrick Garland, Jewish Attorney General
    7) Alejandro Mayorkas, Jewish Secretary Homeland Security
    8) Avril Haines, Jewish Director National Intelligence
    9) Wendy Sherman, Jewish Deputy Secretary of State
    10) Victoria Nuland, Jewish Secretary State Political Affairs
    11) Eric Lander, Jewish Office of Science Technology
    12) Jeffry Zeints, Jewish Covid Czar
    13) Rachel Levine, Jewish Assistant Health Secretary
    14) and 15) Cass Sunstein, Jewish Senior Counselor at the Departmentof Homeland Security, and his wife, Samantha Power, Head of USAID
    16) Dana Stroul, Jewish Pentagon Senior Policy Official on the Middle East
    17) Rochelle P. Walensky, Jewish CDC Director
    18) Anne Neuberger, Jewish Director of Cybersecurity at NSA
    19) Chanan Weissman, Jewish Director of Technology at National Security Council
    20) Avril Haines, Jewish Director of National Intelligence
    21) Polly Trottenberg, Jewish Deputy Secretary of Transportation
    22) Jessica Rosenworce,l Jewish Acting Chairwoman FCC
    23) Jennifer Klein, Jewish Co-Chair of the Gender Policy Council
    24) Jared Bernstein, Jewish Member of Council of Economic Advisers
    25) Jeff Zients, Jewish COVID Czar
    26) David Kessler, Jewish Chief Science Officer of COVID Response
    27) Stephanie Pollack, Jewish Deputy Administrator Federal Highway Administration
    28) Gary Gensler, Jewish Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission

    You may ask yourself, what is the likelihood of this happening?

    • Replies: @Geowhizz
    , @jami
  90. Bama says:

    And why, Edward Curtin, does the U.S. lead the way for this leftist group of world networking saboteurs to continue to move to control the world?

    Because, Mr. Curtin, the U.S. leads the way, with this friend you mention, for belonging to the non-exclusive, exclusive club of “You Can’t Teach Stupid”.

  91. chris says:
    @Levtraro

    Yeah, great article and a great subject too.

    The only point I’d like to add is that the Right definitely does it too, and the dynamic is identical. The other day I heard Scott Ritter discus the Ukraine war with Ron Paul, only to drop, as an aside the point that the US killed Iranian general Soleimani because he had killed “thousands of Americans” !!! And the discussion continued to Ukraine war where his comments were moderate and reasonable, and I had the exact reaction as Eduard Curtin, amazing how they try to sneak in a whopper inside an otherwise reasonable discussion.

    Judge Napolitano is like that also, absolutely reasonable and wise and balanced, and every so often tries to sneak in something so obviously wrong. It’s so transparent I really wonder who they think they’re fooling. Older people who’ve surrendered their entire powers of analysis?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  92. Avery says:
    @ariadna

    Great performance: well done Gonzalo.

  93. @John Johnson

    Had Ukraine followed the Minsk agreement the border problem would have been resolved, as well as the war. All that was needed to be done is to allow Donbas a certain degree of independence, while still keeping it withing Ukraine.

    Russia has done this with almost all of the republics in the federation, and has not collapsed because of that. So what was the reason for Ukraine to hold back implementation of the agreement that the EU had endorsed?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Geowhizz
    , @John Johnson
  94. @ariadna

    Not being American, I have no say in its politics, other than as an observer. Since Trump came on the scene, my “defense” of him has consisted of noting what he says as opposed to what it is reported he says. In a different vein, I have noted what he campaigned on, and what he actually did. While campaigning, he said what the majority thought and wanted to hear. His follow through was been dismal. Why it was dismal is something else again, as General Douglas Macgregor cuts Trump some slack for not realizing how things really work. My own take, is that Trump is just a front for a competing faction of the owners of the (((Western liberal democracies))).

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Replies: @ariadna
  95. @emerging majority

    “Half-pint dictator”. Well, he is known to play the piano with his kosher salami.

    Ah so no denying that Ukraine never actually qualified for NATO.

    Just a quip about the degenerate comic that Putin has turned into a global hero by trying to kill him.

    Could have saved 100k White lives by waiting for his term limit to end.

    Now it isn’t even certain that Putin can wave his “Mission Accomplished” banner over the ruins of Donbass.

    Anyone that spent time defending the half pint dictator will look like a real genius in a year. None of these Putin defense blogs will age well.

  96. The same people who orchestrated the 2014 coup in Ukraine (regime change operations) are the same people who conducted a coup (regime change operations) to oust President Trump. They were well on their way to attempting regime change operations against President Putin (through Ukraine which is best seen metaphorically the same way Afghanistan was seen as a safe haven, training ground, staging area for 9/11) but he (Vlad P) is not as weak as Trump and he staved that off with his justifiable special operation in Ukraine.

  97. ariadna says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “My own take, is that Trump is just a front for a competing faction of the owners of the (((Western liberal democracies))).”
    I agree with you completely. Adelson versus Soros. Well put too.

  98. Geowhizz says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Seems war with Russia was desired. Bloody psychotic neocons.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  99. Little noticed, it seems, is that the basis for new aid to Ukraine will be modeled on the Lend-Lease of the World Wars by the Jewbenighted States. This is not “aid”, but a loan that will have to be paid back. What currency will Ukraine have if by some reason it is left intact? Only its land, resources.
    “Going Out Of Business. Everything must go. 90% off normal prices”. The Avarice and Sataic nature of the ZIO controlled financial and business entities of the West are so colossal and evil, as to defy description.

  100. @John Johnson

    A wasted 30 seconds of reading.
    I will avoid your comments from now on.

    Durutti ‘s comments are worth the time to read.
    (as well as MANY others here)

  101. @Desert Fox

    In 2017, the US military dropped over 10,000 bombs and fired thousands of artillery shells to destroy the Syrian city of Raqqa. Ask Americans what they think about that and its very rare to find someone who is aware of it. Also note that the primary objective of US/Israeli foreign policy is destroying seven Muslim nations. All was going well until the Russians showed up and saved Syria. This is when plans to destroy Russia appeared, because Greater Israel is on hold until the Russians give up on Syria. No one in our media discusses this obvious link to Ukraine.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Durruti
  102. Malla says:
    @Wokechoke

    Most of the ethnics in the Western Areas of the USSR were patting the Germans on the back as they zoomed toward Moscow.

    There were Russians as well.

  103. @Wielgus

    Some 20 years ago I had been following first the leftist media- i.e the Guardian, Counterpunch, etc, and then the alt-independent media.
    It’s uncanny how the mind can sniff out the lies. Never trusted Chomsky, Hedges, Patrick Cockburn and even Pepe (I think he’s an intellectual poseur).
    The few oldies that survive with integrity intact are James Corbett, Norman Finklestien, the two from the Duran, Dr Chris Martensen and a few more.
    But more and more new young faces are popping up, they are courageous, honest and smart and quite adept at not getting banned.
    Also, never visit a site where comment is not allowed.

  104. Yep, DoubleThink. I can’t remember when I finally figured it out but it might have had something to do with WaterGate and Nixon,, right around the time I left “the left” behind…which was when the mass media started turning left (after all, the Vietnam War was over, and the press needed something to “entertain” us “little people” if you know what I mean.) Woodward and Bernstein… when reading between the lines, I realized both and WaPo were two sides of the same deceptive coin. And to think I once wanted to be a journalist! Sheesh! And now the alt-media is doing its controlled op job as well.

    Which is why I now write fiction novels. https://omegabooksnet.com

  105. Honest Jews sound ‘antisemitic’. They validate the tropes.

    It all comes down to ‘Is it good for Jews’. Even groups committed to fighting ‘white supremacism’ will give a pass to sub-nazis when expedient to Jewish interests. Total gansterist sleaze. Not quite realpolitik, more like Israelpolitik.

    On top but still the poor victim

    NYT, still fuming about Emmett Till but uh gee, oh shucks, uh doh… about the Palestinian issue.

    • Thanks: Kolya Krassotkin, Robjil
  106. @Skeptic2

    On what grounds do you believe Trump has any integrity? He was and still is like 99% politicians out to enrich and gain power. He was a total slave of the zionists and israel, just as bidet is.

  107. @silviosilver

    Yes, they do inflate the Russian monster myth, only to then puncture it with the myth of Sampson defeating Goliath.

    Huh?

  108. @emerging majority

    Chomsky may be a total tool or he might be a deluded politically correct intellectual whose Jewish derivation allows him some latitude in hacking away at some of the overhanging branches of corporatist, high finance shenanigans….

    Or he may just be seeking media attention (“Chomsky agrees with Trump!”) or senile. He looks really bad in that Trump clip, worse than Biden, more like the Cryptkeeper. What is he, over 100 by now?

  109. @Here Be Dragon

    Had Ukraine followed the Minsk agreement the border problem would have been resolved, as well as the war.

    Had Russia actually followed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum where they agreed to recognize the autonomy of Ukraine (including Crimea) there would not have been a border problem.

    Oh and Putin’s inconsistent list of explanations for the war doesn’t include Minsk.

    Russia has done this with almost all of the republics in the federation, and has not collapsed because of that.

    Done what exactly? Sent in fake separatists? Like in Georgia and Crimea?

    What are you suggesting? Let Russia hold another fake referendum and then put Donbass under the dictatorship of Putin? Why didn’t Putin push for real independence of Crimea? When do Crimean voters get to choose their next politicians? Oh that’s right never. Some independence.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  110. Corrupt says:
    @Anonymous

    That has to be the fattest group of Marines I’ve ever seen in my life. I hope they’re the Marine Band, because they certainly don’t look ready to fight.

  111. Wild Man says:
    @Tom Welsh

    The thing about Chomsky is that he lies. Alot. A whole lot (you know, the super-well-read, super-high-IQ shtick …. means he can’t claim his lies are not lies, … when Chomsky well knows they are, which he must know if we are to believe his extreme high grasp of reality shtick). And after all, it was Chomsky himself that carefully crafted that public persona (extreme high grasp of reality as based on being super-well-read and super-high-IQ).

    So, ….. how do you know when a pathological liar is lying, and when he is not? Why bother even trying? Just press mute. Chomsky is completely useless (because he is a pathological liar).

    Just one small example of many many. Chomsky maintains that Jordan Peterson is to the right of Attila the Hun, and is pretending that he being persecuted by the Academy, but that the Academy is also very far right, and so, Jordan Peterson is lying by making it out that Academy has become leftist-converged (at least within the Humanities), in order to uphold his persecution delusion. You see what I mean? ….. Chomsky manages to lie 5 times right there (within each and every one of the 5 significs of this sentence, taken from a few seconds of a video interview of him, …. which I can probably find again if you don’t believe me). What a putz. What a schmuck. I don’t like liars.

    Chomsky deserves only our contempt. He cannot even operate his own ‘manufactured consent’ insight (and no grand insight that was, in any event, pretty obvious), to save his life apparently, because he is a pathological liar.

    • Replies: @Rubicon
  112. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheLast

    this comment is reproduced from a comment made on another site with the same article. ..
    excellent example of how to analyze content for misleading narrative; it might be fake content embedded in the propaganda we call the news. Can it be shown that torts-against-the-truth type content embedded in propaganda causes actual damages to the members of the audience; especially when offered to news hungry, but uninformed gullible audiences?

    Are Harms (actual damages) caused when tort containing contents are promoted as news? All expressions of content (i.e. news, books, reports and speeches) are propaganda. Does the delivery of news containing propaganda titled the news to susceptible naive audiences, commit a tort on those audience members who have limited time and knowledge insufficient to judge the truthfulness of the distributed information?

    Audiences with limited time to engage information have a right not to be lied to, misled, or falsely engaged, during the limited time these persons have to seek information and learn about events. Whole nations of people are lead by propaganda and wrongful content in propaganda can cause all kinds of harms?

    Can it be shown that exposing tort against the truth type contents <= into the propaganda exposed to time available pressed audiences harm the members of the audiences?

    Both tort containing embedded content and media presentation of that content, seem to me, to be torts with harms so great they can mislead whole populations? Mislead, harmed members of the audience should be able to recover for the damage those harms. cause. Juries should decide the damages to be awarded in each case? Because the content and the media presentation are both intentional, why can these cases not be considered intentional torts? I believe offending the truth is a tort when it leads to harm.

    It was tort law that reduced and minimized medical malpractice <=forced physicians to limit their practice to their actual insured expertise, and it was tort law that eliminated false and habit forming advertising, which promoted habit forming Tobacco to naive audiences.

    To force the truth into propaganda it is only necessary to get courts to recognize that misleading, mis-characterized or false content in propaganda are often torts committed by both the content provider and the media that distributed the content.

    Something which I think the audience in every nation state and international court should join hands to do( a global project of humanity maybe), is to get the courts to recognize mis-statement, falsehood, mischaracterization, etc. in content exposed to audiences to be a tort when harm, or threat of harm, occurs.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  113. R2b says:

    Just give Chomsky up!
    Want’s you jabbed.
    Distorts Ukraine as well.
    He is just another big liar.

  114. Had Russia actually followed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum where they agreed to recognize the autonomy of Ukraine (including Crimea) there would not have been a border problem.

    The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.”

    After the 2014 American coup that overthrew the democratically elected Ukrainian government, a stooge government was installed and controlled by our CIA. Russia acted in self-defense after Ukrainian thugs killed thousands of ethnic Russians.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  115. @John Johnson

    The Crimea case was another matter. There had been a precedent and a referendum. And though that is not important, but explanations for the war did include Minsk.

    The Crimeans decided to return. For those knowing a thing or two about Ukraine, that is no surprise. But the question was about Donbas.

    Had Ukraine implemented the reform that it promised to bring about, then Donbas would have become something like Tatarstan in Russia.

    What’s bad about that?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  116. Wild Man says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Hey I don’t know anything about your take on things Carlton Meyer, other than here, and another recent thread (about what Biden might do after the Uke army flees from the east), but I gotta say, your idea that ultimately, what this, more on the surface, seeming to be all about, as faux-west globalists running roughshod over what used to be sovereign true-west jurisdictions, is actually about, once you peel the onion even further, ….. about said power (faux-west globalists) being Jewish led with a particular Jewish agenda, and that being the New Jerusalem as the shining beacon on the hill, to lord it over the rest of humanity for evermore, from within a new Jewish superstate to extend all the way to the Euphrates River (like some of the orthodox religious leaders in Israel maintain should happen, perhaps with more political power for this faction within Israel than we would like to admit), …. is deserving of some consideration (even though it seems so crazy, but I will agree, less and less crazy as more and more weird things come to pass around this topic).

    Why do you have Jewish surname within your commenting handle?

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  117. Wild Man says:
    @John Johnson

    “Anyone that spent time defending the half pint dictator will look like a real genius in a year. None of these Putin defense blogs will age well.”

    Hey JJ – that be you? – one of many, among the vaxxo-shite-ed who couldn’t admit they did something stupid, and therefore refused to see the vaxxo-shite as actual shite? All this was patiently explained to you and you just refused to understand. That was only a few months ago now, not even close to a year. Somebody who has such a terrible track record at prognosticating about cultural relevant material, should probably think twice about challenging others to another prognosticator’s duel. You are ill-equipped (too prone to self-delusions).

  118. @James J O'Meara

    People who are devious and have sinned against human decency often tend to age badly. Have a look at the (fortunately) late David Rottenfeller; Madeleine Albright; George Soros, Heinrich Kissinger (a dwarf now, whose face closely resembles a melted candle) and even the Bloody Quean, Bizzy Lizzy.
    Her eyes betray the darkness of her soul.

  119. @Wild Man

    Though a number of Meyers happen to be of the Tribe, a larger number are Germans. Mayer is also generally, but perhaps not always German and Meir can go either way. Myer or more frequently Myers is most often English.

    Then there are always those who change their surnames, such as John Kerry’s father whose birth name was Kohn (Hungarian Jew) and the fortunately late, Sumner Redstone whose surname was likely something like Rothstein. This latter brings us to Epstein, who pronounced it more in the Dutch fashion—think Bruce Springsteen. The Steen suffix is usually Dutch and occasionally Swedish.

    • Thanks: Wild Man
  120. @Anonymous

    Excellent ideas…IF you can find an honest, objective, non-politicized court. I do believe they do exist, but much shopping around would be of essence.

  121. Mike-SMO says:

    I think that most of excitement in the Ukraine is theater and that the US Corruptocrats and the neo-KGB in Russian have the end game already planned out.

    The recent attempted crossing of the Donetz River was so inept that it had to have been planned to fail. There was no “Russian” artillery to provide counter battery fire against the static Ukrainian positions. There were apparently no anti-air units and didn’t seem to be any MANPADS at the bridge or “beachhead”. Those bastards were sent out to die. The “ethnic Russians” in the Donbas were useful, but they are now suspect since they are “tainted” by a local identity.

    Russia invaded the Ukraine to protect their gas monopoly in Europe. The rest is theater. Ukraine has sufficient gas reserves in the Donbas and under the coastal waters, to blunt the Russian Monopoly. The slaughter at the river is just the beginning. Pre-WW2, Russia over-ran Poland and then executed anyone with leadership potential at places like Katyn Forest. That is how Russia expresses its paranoia. Anyone who might, possibly deviate from the Russian plan gets a bullet in the head or an artillery barrage. The cut from the sale of Russian oil the west is “chump change”.

    Pelosi is setting up a system of free booze to Congress and petty benefits for the Capitol Storm Troopers. Ex-KGB Major Putin seems to think that you don’t have to bribe dead men. Russians have always been an earthy people. Both are setting up a system for perpetual rule.

    The “movement” in Europe is not due to American “orders”. They have seen Russian/Soviet/Bolshevik/Tankist/Stalinist paranoia before and know that no one is safe. Political philosophy is a hobby for those far from the threat. “Nazis”, 2014, missiles, “ethnic Russians” are just stage dressing for the rubes. The game is power. The slaughter at the river is how the Muscovites play the game.

  122. jami says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Your list is NOT complete. The latest addition to this list working for zionist Biden regime is ‘New U.S. antisemitism envoy’ Deborah Lipstadt, who said:

    “Speaking in her new office at the State Department, Lipstadt said that recent events — in Ukraine and elsewhere — have altered her views about which forms of denial are the most pervasive and dangerous. Decades ago, what seemed most threatening were outright deniers such as Irving or his French counterpart, Robert Faurisson.”

    She means, of course, Putin denial of ” Russian crimes against in Ukraine”, in the other words, holohoax.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/11/deborah-lipstadt-antisemitism-envoy-ukraine-putin/

  123. Has this been confirmed? US military guy was in the steel plant with sub-nazis?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  124. Rubicon says:

    Here’s Norman Finklestein, a typical “leftist” intellectual who obfuscates his own self, along with John Mearsheimer and Noam Chomsky.

    https://thesaker.is/norman-finkelstein-russia-has-the-historical-right-to-invade-ukraine-updated-with-transcript/

    It drove us nuts listening to this. None of these intellectuals have ever served in the military, neither in Israel nor in the US.
    Maddening theoretical garbage.

  125. Rubicon says:
    @Wild Man

    It’s VERY fortunate for us that few of us bother reading, watching Chomsky, Finkelstein, nor John Mearsheimer.
    Only the very naive and wholly uneducated idiots listen to them.

    • Agree: A B Coreopsis
  126. peterAUS says:
    @Mike-SMO

    I think that most of excitement in the Ukraine is theater and that the US Corruptocrats and the neo-KGB in Russian have the end game already planned out.

    Yep.
    They are simply fighting over their cut. The size of the loot, if you will.

    The recent attempted crossing of the Donetz River was so inept that it had to have been planned to fail.

    I think it’s combination of incompetence with disregard for cannon fo….I mean troops on the ground there.

    Russia invaded the Ukraine to protect their gas monopoly in Europe. The rest is theater.

    It’s a bit more complicated than that, but, yes, that’s pretty much the crux of it.

    Both are setting up a system for perpetual rule.

    Yep.

    The “movement” in Europe is not due to American “orders”. They have seen Russian/Soviet/Bolshevik/Tankist/Stalinist paranoia before and know that no one is safe.

    Correct.

    Political philosophy is a hobby for those far from the threat.

    Yep. Westerners, and worse, ethnic Russians living in USA/West; both bitching about West and, apparently, in love of Russia.

    The game is power.

    Oh yes.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  127. USA1943 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Jews Hate Christianity, They Hate White People, They love Communism, They Love Degeneracy, I really believe General Patton when he said We Fought the Wrong Enemy.

  128. MarkU says:
    @John Johnson

    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO because of Donbas. You can’t apply with a contended border nor can you apply with an active proxy war.

    True enough and you can always rely on the US to stick to the rules, keep agreements and scrupulously obey international law…………….oh wait.

    You really are a dishonest Johnson aren’t you. Putin was the one who reigned in the Donbass republics back in 2014 when they were winning and has spent the last 8 years trying to cram them back into Ukraine. Sadly it was not to be, the psychopathic empire of lies and delusion just couldn’t let it lie. Mark my words, unless the deranged inbred banksters who run the west are removed then nuclear war will endue. If you seriously want to be dead or spend the rest of your miserable existence in a bunker then just carry on as you are, shilling for the modern day Caligulas and Neros.

  129. Hoyeru says:
    @John Johnson

    Ukraine was already defacto in NATO. They just weren’t officially in NATO.
    NATO solders were there, training ukranians. UK was building a sea base at the AZOV sea. NATO was pouring weapons on Ukraine. Even if Ukraine wasn’t officially in NATO, NATO was officially in Ukraine.
    But the real problem was Putin in fact. The MINKS agreement was useful to him or so he thought. He sat for 8 years doing nothing, letting Donbas people get killed while NATO armed and trained Ukraine.

    SO the real fault here lies in Putin. Had he acted in 2014 and not allowed Ukraine to fall into Western hands, none of this would be happening right now. SO much for his 5 D chess he was playing. Worse, he isnt even conducting this war right. But he did the same in Syria, only half hardheartedly. Thats when I began to suspect he wasn’t the brilliant strategist people claimed he was.

    the worst fact is this will give the West/NATO/US so much confidence and they will become so arrogant, they will figure nothing can stop them. We all will be next on their agenda.

  130. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    You’re brainwashed if you believe that Syrian rebels are all fundamentalist fanatics. They rose up against that mass murderer Assad regime and the west stood by as he engaged in a holocaust of Sunni Syrian who are not jihadi fanatics. Even if jihadi fanatics also opposed the Assad regime. Alot of these so called jihadis are not fundamentalist fanatics like isis but real freedom fighters opposed to all western or Russian backed brutal dictators. What’s wrong with that! Hedges understood that because he’s a real Christian. You are the duped ones if you side with Assad and lump all opposition as fanatics Muslims! How could Arabs even think of toppling a brutal dictator is your racist reasoning, apparently! They must be backward fundamentalists; that the only choice support bruital dicttators or be a fundie fanatic. THAT’s Neo Con imperialist propaganda.

    • LOL: Fred777
  131. JWalters says:
    @MarkU

    I think every public person who is opposing the oligarchy (Zionist Empire) is worried about being murdered. That’s why virtually nobody discusses Israel’s glaring crimes. If they can murder JFK in broad daylight and get away with it, and kill thousands in downtown NYC on 9/11 and get away with it, they can kill you and get away with it. So they all cover their tracks and muddy the waters a bit with stupid statements here and there. It’s tragic either way, but that’s my estimate.

    • Replies: @Ace
  132. JWalters says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Yes. Show me the evidence.

  133. JWalters says:
    @GMC

    Interesting experiment. I recently did the same with a well-educated friend (in America). He had the same picture. He knew nothing about the 2014 coup, the Azov battalion, the long shelling of the Donbass, or the trail of broken promises by the West.

    It turned out he gets all his news from TV, while I get mine from the internet. He likes to sit on his couch and watch the news on his big screen TV. I also sit on my couch, but run an HDMI cable from my laptop to a large monitor/tv on my coffee table.

    Since TV news is totally controlled (i.e. “totalitarian”) he is at the mercy of the oligarchy’s controlled media.

    I reminded him that we had been lied into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, which is pretty common knowledge now. I said that the news companies are all owned behind the scenes by a small group that also owns the weapons companies. He was receptive to this concept, and mentioned that he had been gradually feeling less trusting of the media over time.

    I added that this was a “regime change” attack on Russia to grab its resources, much like the attack on Iraq.

    I recommended The Duran for a TV-like discussion (most days) of the developing military, economic, and political dimensions of the Ukraine situation, and he seemed interested.
    https://rumble.com/c/theduran

    We’ll see how it goes.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
  134. Fred777 says:
    @Anon

    The actual moderate opposition to Assad saw what Daesh had to offer and joined the Syrian government.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  135. Ghali says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Agree wholeheartedly. Chomsky was born a dirty Zionist and remains so today. He masked his dirty propaganda with goodies for the unwise (his followers) to put them to sleep.

  136. One-off says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Many otherwise sensible people have a dangerous inclination to throw the baby out with the bath water; when someone like Dr Chomsky is mentioned, they insist that his ideas about Ukraine or Israel are incorrect – and that therefore everything he says should be distrusted or ignored.

    I singled you out precisely because you seem sincere and perfectly illustrate the author’s point. Chomsky said precisely what was quoted, to wit, the reporting has been accurate and exemplary. That is a blatant lie because even a dullard knows the propaganda is without precedent. I disagree with Curtin on one point: this is worse propaganda than the bilge Fleet Street spewed when Wilson let them set up shop on American soil. People are far more stupid now and transparent BS works.

    My guess is Chomsky is a long-term Mossad agent who has been activated to help destroy the Jews’ historic enemy. As Curtin mentioned, Chomsky also has been intentionally wrong or silent on other hoaxes and outrages that benefitted Israel. Telling his followers the state propaganda is true likely is his last act before his handlers get him out of the United States.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  137. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fred777

    And alquada opposed isis too. Isis being comprised of mostly young ignorant international internet converts on the fringes of mental health already and psychopaths.

  138. Durruti says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Also note that the primary objective of US/Israeli foreign policy is destroying seven Muslim nations. All was going well until the Russians showed up and saved Syria. This is when plans to destroy Russia appeared, because Greater Israel is on hold until the Russians give up on Syria. No one in our media discusses this obvious link to Ukraine.

    Agreed

    *In 1933, The world was preparing for war. The Zio-Nazis (It was always the Zio/Nazis). Hitler was one of theirs. His “Night of the Long Knives” was just a service to the Zionist Oligarchs who placed him in power. Hitler’s SS eradicated the elements, mostly within the SA, who actually opposed the Money Changers.

    The total executions numbered some 8,000. Ernst Rohm and others uncontrolled (by the Money Changer Oligarchs), political leaders were dead.

    The phony (actually-non) resistance of the Western Front (the French Government did not resist. Its army did not fight, and the BEF took one look at the German Army, and hightailed it back home. The British were mysteriously allowed by the German generals, to withdraw 250,000 unbloodied soldiers). This disappearance of a Western front, enabled the Zio/Imperialist/Nazis to set in motion the all-out Zio/German/Nazi war of extermination against Russia.

    In 2022, The World is at War. The aims are the same.

  139. Panadechi says:

    This Ukraine-Russia confrontation planned long ago by the empire of lies (Anti-white West), is between Globalism and Sovereignty.
    The late geopolitical guru Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote passionately of his vision of a carved-up Russia in his 1997 Grand Chessboard saying: “A loosely confederated Russia- composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic- would find it easier to cultivate closer economic regulations with Europe, with the new states of Central Asia and with East Asia, which would thereby accelerate Russia’s own development.”
    Over the years, western funded movements in China have arisen calling openly for breaking up China into no less than five ethno-nationalist micro-states called ‘East Turkestan, The Free State of Tibet, Canton and Manchuria.’

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  140. @YetAnotherAnon

    I reread whokechock’s quote & I’m not sure about “irony”. If ironic then I guess my comment was unnecessary.

  141. I don’t think there are ‘significant lies’ in war reporting. The U.S. media are generally doing a highly creditable job in reporting Russian crimes in Ukraine. That’s valuable, just as it’s valuable that international investigations are underway in preparation for possible war crimes trials.

    Noam has always been a Zionist Jew through and through. His father was born in Ukraine and fled Russia in 1913 (About when the tide was turning and the Bolsheviks were being hunted down).
    Noam has always been a Communist. He has never once even cared to consider 9/11. But he is this supposed huge intellectual with a critical mind.

    He reminds me of Zionist Freud or Stephen Spielberg (Greatest living Propagandist for Israel) One did not realize until later in life how horrendously bigoted, racist and tribal they were. And how their life’s work was all for the tribe.

    Zionist Jew Michael Schumer is doing the exact same thing. Using his platform (The Skeptics Society) to discredit /smear 9/11 Truthers.

    Same with the little Jewish dick head that wrote the Popular Mechanics Oped refuting 9/11 Conspiracies.

    Noam’s bread and butter is destroying America from within -Critical Theory.

    As he ages, he hopes to be buried in the Mount of Olives in Israel. Like most Jews of significance do.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  142. 36 ulster says:
    @Kratoklastes

    True, but 2014 is a useful milestone in assessing Russia’s not-too-bloody seizure of Crimea and the buttressing of the Donbass Novorossiya resistance. How convenient of the Virtuous Among Us to airbrush the violent and deadly Nuland-Soros Coup from public memory.

  143. @Mike-SMO

    Mike, does SMO signify Special Motivation Officer, perhaps? Or is it more like Special Mission Operative. Noticed that you are only an occasional poster here. How many other missions do you perform? What is your pay-grade? How much of that mud you sling hits the target?

  144. @peterAUS

    Looks as if you two love-birds were reading from the same script.

  145. Miro23 says:
    @follyofwar

    Neocons, OTOH, never met a US-instigated war that they didn’t support. And they are in NO WAY creatures of the Right – the late Justin Raimondo labeled them Trotskyites.

    Wars instigated by themselves. Agree with Raimondo. In contrast to Stalin, Trotsky wanted a worldwide Bolshevik revolution (NWO).

    The current NWO project aims to pull down Russia and China. It’s run by the Kagan/Nuland neocons and the WEF/Davos elite. They leverage their blanket control over Western politics, finance and media so it’s really a question or raw power. Left, right, liberalism, “our democratic freedoms” are meaningless propaganda tools used to further the project.

    • Agree: IreneAthena
  146. TKK says:
    @ebear

    👍👍👍

    What are supposed to use?

    Harsh language?

  147. @Anon

    So instead of picking a “normal” American sort of name like for instance, John Johnson, this particular \$ayanim/Ha\$barfa chooses to set up as s numrologically significant Anon seven. Right outta the Sephiroth.

  148. Wild Man says:
    @One-off

    Chomsky’s take on BLM is one of cryptic racism. Chomsky refuses to acknowledge black self-agency. Pretty disrespectful. Sort of like an imposter upon the left. But not really. It turns out the entire left is a ‘cryptic culprit’ of the sins they blame their enemies for. Pretty much: Leftism: anti-human whilst pretending to be the opposite.

    I for one really don’t care what Chomsky has to say about the Ukraine war. There is bound to be some misdirections, somewhere, in there, amongst his spiel (as well as some things that will turn out to be correct). Look – Chomsky doesn’t like to be shown wrong, actually gets pretty bitchy around that, and so when he commences with a lie, his habit is one of rhetorical flourishes around assurances as to his superior grasp of ‘these particular facts’, coming into the convo, in a very aggressive way (to wit, the Chomsky lie you featured in your example – “Chomsky said precisely what was quoted, to wit, the reporting has been accurate and exemplary”).

    I never really thought of Chomsky in terms of Mossad. I’ll give that some thought. What I find weird is how he is always surrounded by fawning sycophants (intellectual groupies who gush at his pronouncements … it’s embarrassing).

  149. The liberal fascists hate Putin because that bitch demi-Goddess, Clinton, blamed him for her loss to the carnie huckster. That Clinton is an Evil monster does not compute with the feminazis. To paraphrase a popular T-shirt from when Joh Bjelke-Petersen was running a red-neck regime in our ‘Deep North’, Queensland (think Alabama), and his wife was in the Federal Senate, Hillary might be one, but she has one, so her character is irrelevant.
    The great disaster that is ‘female’ political representation in liberal fascist regimes has been underestimated, I believe. The necessity for females to unsex themselves, forget generations of socialisation, and aeons of evolution, and ape men, indeed the worst of men, in order to climb the greasy pole of ‘success’, in politics and business, has been a catastrophe.
    The requirement to forget female virtues and gifts, and, instead, transform oneself into an ersatz ‘man’, becoming she-males and even sheserkers (think Liz Truss, if you have a strong stomach)has produced horrors like the ‘Green’ fascist Baerbock, Truss, Clinton, the Nordic man-haters who helped set up and lynch Assange, the wee Sapphist Sturgeon in Scotland and her inner claques of competing lesbians who framed Salmond and just about every ‘female’ politician in Australia, with a few honourable exceptions.
    These nutters are leading the drive for war on Russia, in part because Putin ‘stole’ the Throne of Blood from Clinton, and because he has been framed as a social reactionary. Of course any movement that can glorify a pack of hustler slags like Pussy Rot, as did the feminazi coven at the Guardian in particular, is deracinated and deranged. Happily so, of course, dissent or debate being impermissible lest the initiates begin to screech in fear and outrage.
    The cross-over with the intensely misogynistic ‘trans-gender’ movement is pretty plain to see here, too. If you have made yourself, de facto, a sort of transvestite in order to qualify for political advance, the rationale for supporting men masquerading as women, and outright lunatics brainwashing children that their sex was ‘guessed’ at birth, becomes plain. And there’s money in it, too, and good prospects of divide and rule social discord to solidify the liberal totalitarian vote, as well. In short, if you are a phony construction yourself, created from a particularly bent piece of the crooked timber of humanity, in order to pretend to be something or other, only for personal gain or advance, while ignoring or denying what you truly are, or might be, you’re one sick puppy. And THAT is the ruling elite of the glorious West. Mass formation psychosis is not a novel affliction for these creatures-it is their normal state of being. No wonder most of humanity supports Putin, and fears and despises the lunatic West.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  150. @Mike Fridelle

    You can’t blame the Zionazis for doing all they can to cover up the MOSSAD/sayanim/Deep State op that was 9/11. I mean, all that power and control, gone in a flash. Decades of assiduous work, suborning, bribing and corrupting, to no avail, as a vengeful US populace, even many ‘Christian Zionists’, I would bet, finally wake from their slumber. Far too dangerous an eventuality, for everybody.

  151. @Panadechi

    Look you commie-you forgot independent Taiwan, South Mongolia and Hong Kong. Get with the program!

  152. Wielgus says:
    @Anon

    Fairly early on the “rebels” in Aleppo filmed themselves killing postal workers in the part of the city they captured by throwing them from the roof of the main post office. The rationale was apparently that they were state employees. Therefore marked for death. A deadly bombing of Aleppo University, which stayed in the government-controlled part of the city, was also carried out, although at first attempts were made to claim it was a government false flag. The reason for the attack was apparently that it was a Baathist institution that taught secular subjects. The average “freedom fighter” in Aleppo thought the Koran was enough education for anybody.
    Even when the Yanks and co. set up “moderate” armed groups, they lacked staying power and had a tendency to sell their weapons to the more “religiously” inclined. I encountered an Islamist in 2015 who not only knew of this but actually laughed about it.
    Needless to say all the nuggets of info I have mentioned are ignored by the type of left I discussed in my earlier post.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  153. Wielgus says:
    @Priss Factor

    A Russian source issued this same photo on May 2, so it is not new. My feeling is that they have picked some people up but are coy about going public so far, while dropping hints.

  154. Wielgus says:
    @paulo

    The German Social Democrats had conferences like that in WW1. A speech might start off with how unfortunate militarism was but then move on to not abandoning the Fatherland in its time of need. And the latter sentiment was received more enthusiastically.
    The USPD emerged as a significant splinter in 1917 because of growing unhappiness about the war but by then the war had gone on for three years and there was significant hunger in the population.

  155. Wild Man says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “And THAT is the ruling elite of the glorious West. Mass formation psychosis is not a novel affliction for these creatures-it is their normal state of being.”

    More-so now under Biden, it really does look that way, doesn’t it. It reminds me of that tv series ‘Parks and Recreation’. The blowing of a constant stream of ever-changing but narrowly-deviating sycophantic bubbles (sycophantic bubbletry). It all seems so vacuous. Amy Poehler nails the vibe. So weird, it seems to be true now, at the national and the international level.

  156. GMC says:
    @JWalters

    Thanks J W , I hope your friend gets on the right track. What’s left of mine in the states are – out to lunch and not coming back.
    Here’s what is wierd about the Ukies that are all onboard with Zelinsky and the Hate Russia thing. They all saw the Maidan go down and they all see where their country’s economy sank to the lowest in decades, but yet they are still dumb as a bunch of rocks. The only possible reason – is the 24/7 media programming and propaganda , along with laws passed to further the hate for Russian language, schools business, medias etc. And maybe, the Nazi POlice state that has terrorized the country. All Funded by the Jew Oligarchs, IMF, Nato and the US Gov. Doc Barrets article is a good one today also.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  157. Levtraro says:
    @Sam Hildebrand

    Yes, that too, they need to be on the side of Ukraine because they need to support their operations to achieve the removal of Trump.

  158. Levtraro says:
    @follyofwar

    Excellent point. Maybe as a good sport Curtin was trying the same things he was highlighting in his piece: say reasonable things and then in their midst drop a piece of propaganda.

  159. Levtraro says:
    @chris

    Probably all people seeking a following (on the Left and the Right) try to drop a polished turd or two in between reasonable arguments as a rhetoric trick.

    I guess it’s because they imagine they are speaking for a large, invisible audience, they imagine themselves in a kind of Agora.

    This is an mildly interesting social phenomena. When I write about what you said I am thinking I am talking with you, chris, whoever you are. Many commentators in these fora just use the conversation to speak to their imaginary audiences, especially those that propagate messages coming from Nomenklatura discourse. They get carried away by their imagination.

    In this another aspect of Idealism?

    I am coming to the conclusion that the main difference between conservatism and progressivism (including neocons, liberals, radical leftists and fascists) is that conservative people are realist, pragmatists, down-to-earth naturalists, while the “progres” are idealists, dreamers, and fanatics intoxicated with the juices they produce in their heads.

    • Replies: @chris
  160. Marcali says:
    @Anon

    Crimean Front: „On 2 March, Mekhlis (the highest ranking Jew in the Red Army) launched his ’big music’ in a fiasco that proved to be the insane apogee of terror applied to military science. He banned the digging of trenches ’so that the offensive spirit of the soldiers would not be undermined’ and insisted that anyone who took ’elementary security measures’ was a ’panic monger’. All were ’mashed into a bloody porridge’.” There goes an army group of 250,000 men.
    (Simon Sebag Montefiore: Stalin, the Court of the Red Tsar, Phoenix, 2003, p. 421.)

  161. Ace says:
    @Wokechoke

    Putin is both the most menacing Machiavellian politician–who’d roll into Berlin without the US helping us all–in our era; and he’s an angry little man, bent on reviving the USSR, with a lousy military.

    Well, that’s my Romper Room dose of geopolitical analysis for the morning.

    • LOL: InnerCynic
  162. Ace says:
    @JWalters

    However, the fire at the Institute for Historical Research warehouse was a regrettable accident.

    • Thanks: JWalters
  163. I’ve been following Chris Hedges for a long time and have purchased some of his books. However, I lost respect for Hedges during CV19. His tepid response to vaccine mandates along with other “Leftist” will stick with me for a long time.

    If nothing else, CV19 has not only revealed Fake News, it has unconcealed the calcified, worn-out thinking of those who provided clarity. I found more solace in Canadian Truckers than any “Intellectuals” like Chomsky and Hedges.

    And, although you see countless references to “Manufacturing Consent,” mainly written by Edward Herman, Michael Parenti’s “Inventing Reality” was there earlier. I’m glad to see Parenti’s son, Christian, carrying on the same “Leftist” tradition.

    • Agree: peterAUS
  164. Tbmcc says:
    @Anonymous

    Those are NOT U.S. Marines. Not Marine Corps uniforms. Semper Fidelis

  165. @Tom Welsh

    Chomsky is actually exceptionally mendacious even by neoconservative standards : even run of the mill Conservative Jews consider he is giving them a very bad name through his treatment of the Jewish Question. I left Chomsky as soon as I happened to know his existence in the 1970’s as he indulged in negating the Cambodian Khmer Rouge genocide and the Chinese Great Proletarian Revolution as noteworthy events while he concentrated in attacking the US for what they were doing in South America. That was about 1975-78. But it is in the field of linguistics that the guy started as a complete fraud.

    As a linguist his influence proved to be exceptionally negative and obscurantist, resulting in the so-called structuralist grammars replacing the more traditional ones based on the study of literary usage everywhere in the Western language teaching world. The guy commands absolutely no other language than English, and not so good English. There was a time not so long ago when one used to be called a great linguist when he commanded fifteen to twenty languages and said that it became easy from the seventh onwards. His generative grammar theory has about the practical value, for the study of languages, of what Freud taught for the solutions to mental illnesses : less than zero.

    Namely his hypothesis is that human languages derive, as a subset, from the same ideal grammar as computerized algorithmic languages do, and that all human minds are endowed equally in mastering it. He bases his theory on an older forgotten one that used to be popular in 17th century France, the Port-Royal grammar as it called when the intellectual elites indulged in very mechanistic conceptions of everything. The Port-Royal grammar was an attempt to devalue the whole of human literary activity as without interest, sinful and to be phased out as soon as possible. Chomsky’s theories have been disproven from many angles by many authors, including mathematicians specialized in the making of new computer languages. His main line of defence is that his contradictors in the field of linguistic are moved by antisemitic impulses of the same kind that resulted into the Holocaust.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Robert Konrad
  166. @emerging majority

    And when Volo plays the piano with his shlong, he stands on a box. Volo is a manlet. Shelling civilians was his way to compensate for his sense of inferiority.

  167. chris says:
    @Levtraro

    … the main difference between conservatism and progressivism (including neocons, liberals, radical leftists and fascists) is that conservative people are realist, pragmatists, down-to-earth naturalists, while the “progres” are idealists, dreamers, and fanatics intoxicated with the juices they produce in their heads.

    Yeah, very well put, Levyraro!

    To be perfectly honest, when talking about public figures, I actually think there’s a more direct element of actual manipulation involved. They may actually be compromised people who have an “in” with certain segments of the population, and these spokespeople are then given some talking point which supports one of the current narratives.

    I obviously can’t prove this but juxtaposed narrative which they interject into the otherwise reasonable point of view lines up with the mainstream narrative so well that it can’t be a coincidence. I believe the probability is about 60-70% that I’m right any that these guys are fed these mainstream narratives.

    And the narrative need not be given to them in a smoke-filled room or anything, it may be simply the advice of a very trusted friend who provides the information.

    • Agree: Levtraro
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  168. Athena says:

    US ”democracy” in Vietnam = MONSTERS

    28-years-old twins whose genes have been affected by an agent sprayed on their soil by the US-NATO 30 years ago:

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/12/21/another-sorry-episode-in-american-history-agent-orange/

    ”The U.S. government still spends billions every year on disability payments to those who served in Vietnam — including their children, many of whom are suffering from dioxin-associated cancers and birth defects.”

    “We spend billions per week on undeclared wars to injure, kill, and destroy. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars on fraudulent and wasteful defense contracts. We spend billions on drones and bombs which kill 687 civilians per 14 enemy targets, amounting to a ratio of nearly 50 civilians killed for each undeclared enemy killed.”

    • Thanks: emerging majority
  169. Athena says:

    US-NATO ”democracy” in Libya: MONSTERS

    – Using laser-guided bombs, US-NATO bombed and destroyed schools, roads, hospitals, university, infrastructure, Great-Mand Made River

    – Tens of thousands innocents killed

    – 1.5 million Libyan refugees

    – Thousands died at sea trying to reach Europe

    – Thousands imprisoned near Israel

    – US-UK then froze more than \$100 Billions in Libyan assets

    Libya Suffers a Permanent Humanitarian Catastrophe under the Dictate of US Interests
    https://journal-neo.org/2022/05/15/libya-suffers-a-permanent-humanitarian-catastrophe-under-the-dictate-of-us-interests/

    In this massacre across Libya that followed the “protection of civilians”, 70,000 people died!

    The current Libya is a pitiful spectacle, the civil war continues unabated, with thousands of people dying in constant fighting.”

  170. @Here Be Dragon

    The Crimea case was another matter. There had been a precedent and a referendum. And though that is not important, but explanations for the war did include Minsk.

    Ah so you believe the referendum was legitimate? You believe that ethnic Ukrainians of Crimea voted for a Russian dictatorship and a loss of rights? Is that right?

    Had Ukraine implemented the reform that it promised to bring about, then Donbas would have become something like Tatarstan in Russia.

    What reform exactly? Russia has been trying to pull a Crimea with Donbas.

    Create a fake separatist movement and then hold a fake referendum.

    Anyways I really don’t care if Russia takes Donbas.

    Ukraine can expel their remaining Russians there as Poland did with the Prussian Germans after the war. No need to worry about future dictators pulling the same excuse.

    The little boots dictator can raise his “Mission Accomplished” banner and we can all pretend that it was the plan all along. Great job little boots. Only 100k Russian soldiers dead and wounded along with 25% inflation and an incoming depression. Hated by the world and any remaining credibility is ruined. NATO is getting members that they didn’t expect. WOW WHAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  171. peterAUS says:

    https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-16

    Russian military bloggers continued to post analysis that is skeptical of Russian efforts and increasingly in-line with Western assessments of Russian military failures in Ukraine.

    One such blogger, Igor Strelkov, claimed that the Russian offensive to take Donbas has ultimately failed and that “not a single large settlement “has been liberated.[1] Strelkov even noted that the capture of Rubizhne is relatively insignificant because it happened before the new offensive in Donbas had begun. Strelkov stated that Russian forces are unlikely to liberate Donbas by the summer and that Ukrainian troops will hold their positions around Donetsk City. Strelkov notably claimed that Russian failures thus far have not surprised him because the intent of Russian command has been so evident throughout the operation that Ukrainian troops are aware of exactly how to best respond and warns that Russian troops are fighting to the point of exhaustion under “rules proposed by the enemy.”

    The continued disenchantment of pro-Russian milbloggers with the Russian war effort may fuel dissatisfaction in Russia itself, especially if Moscow continues to press recruitment and conscription efforts that send poorly-trained cannon-fodder to the front lines.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  172. erzberger says:
    @Agent76

    “While in no way excusing Russia’s criminal invasion…”

    I really don’t get that. Of all the wars I have witnessed in my lifetime, and there were plenty of them that were all criminal wars of choice, this is the only one I would consider a just war in the classical sense

    • Agree: Ace
  173. @chris

    The problem with Western ‘progressives’ ie liberal fascists, is that their financiers and controllers, the rich, absolutely FORBID any critique of economic power and class realities. Thereby stripped of any intellectual coherence, the liberal fascists are instead directed, subtly and not so much so, to various ‘Divide and Rule’ obsessions, the worst of which is the current transgender insanity, richly financed by a claque of billionaires, and run by lunatics sorely in need of psychiatric treatment and care.
    So you get insanity like CRT, where ALL Whites share the guilt of the White elites, translunacy, a project of such villainous misogyny that it defies description, and a movement to destroy children’s very basic concept of their being (psychological and spiritual child abuse of unprecedented viciousness), ‘human rights’ garbage (from the worst human rights destroyers of all)designed to demonise countries preparatory to their destruction, the pandemic scam-fest etc, etc. All pushed by narcissistic creeps without the spine to criticise the real culprits, lest the mob be turned on them, or they are robbed of the oxygen of publicity. And with 100% Mobthink and NO tolerance of dissent, debate and criticism, even if constructive and well-intentioned. It’s a society, an ideology, a system, in its death-throes.

    • Agree: chris
  174. @Filterbubble

    Scholz is undergoing ‘transition’, and Baerbock has his gonads in her pocket.

  175. erzberger says:
    @James J O'Meara

    I think he is still a few years younger than Kissinger, who is 99. K just gave an interview on the Ukraine situation. Even though he had predicted accurately years ago that Nato expansion would provoke war and Nato in Ukraine would be an absolute red line for Russia, he now feigns surprise at the invasion. His key points: don’t drive Russia and China together – which is what is being done, of course, and: posturing with nuclear weapons is unacceptable (for Russia). He says it would be like the US nuking Afghanistan just to win the war. Apples and oranges. Maybe Henry is losing it. But I’ve heard worse from him when he was younger

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  176. @John Johnson

    Yes the referendum was legitimate and if you knew anything about Ukraine that would not surprise you. According to the last Ukrainian census even after twelve years of Ukrainization the population of Crimea was predominantly Russian. Ethnic Ukrainians of Crimea made 24.3% and Russians 58.3% and the real number is higher.

    Ethnic composition of the population of Ukraine, 2001 Census
    http://2001.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/results/general/nationality/

    And Russia did not want Donbas, it wanted a reform for Donbas in order to make it safe for the ethnic Russians living there. Ukraine signed the Minsk Agreement and promised a constitutional reform making Ukraine a federation and a special status for Donbas. That would have made Donbas something like Tatarstan in Russia.

    Ukraine did not follow the agreement.

    • Replies: @Marcali
    , @Ace
  177. @mulga mumblebrain

    “skimming mentality”: take the money & run  (as fast as you can)

  178. Jews have Scholzy by his balls, these are
    as dysfunctional as Baerbock’s “intellect”.

    [MORE]

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  179. JWalters says:
    @GMC

    Agree. To me, a critical factor is the total, i.e. totalitarian level of media control. It’s very hard for people to believe in a conspiracy that big, but I think if that problem could be cracked, the whole rotten edifice could crumble pretty quickly.

    They need to see a plausible mechanism. Here I think behind the scenes controlling stock ownership of weapons companies and media companies is a useful image.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  180. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    The US gave them 50 weapons. No air cover to stop Putin/Assads bombs from falling on men, women children, babies. I don’t believe that the rebels were against secular education. Syria was a colony of France and quite secularized. What you say sounds like Assad propaganda to have gulls like you label any Arab/Muslim who opposes living under a brutal dictatorship, a fanatic terrorist! That alquada[ freedom fighters who were NOT fundi fanatics either, at least core alquada were not] and isis also opposed the brutal Assad regime does not make the rebellion illegitimate and something that the west should not have aided and abetted. Truth is, the US does not want middle easterners to be free people not bogged down by either fundamentalism or brutal regimes. Truth is the US did nothing as a holocaust of Sunni Arabs Syrians occurred . This after the US cleansed Baghdad of its Sunni Iraqi Arabs [ we murdered them all] and installed a Kurd/Shia government with a green light to persecute the remaining Sunni Iraqi Arabs who were prohibited from becoming part of the new “democratic” government .We legalized sectarian discrimination. Muslims killing Muslims is what the US approves of. The only country defending the Sunni Arab Syrians is Turkey and the US has been demonizing them for doing so!

  181. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    Why are govt. workers not siding with the rebels but siding with a government that has torture prisons and bombs people! It’s one thing if there is no rebellion, then you’re powerless to do anything but cooperate with the government, but when the moment comes and people are rising up to topple a brutal regime that has torture prisons for all dissidents, you side with them not with the brutal regime! I don’t believe the rebellion was started by fanatic fundies though it included them. What else would Assad say but what works with westerners; the rebels are all backward fundamentalists! That stopped US from helping them topple this brutal decades long regime. The US even praised Putin when he got Obama out of Obamas red line ultimatum gaffe, remember! For Obama had no desire to stop Muslims from killing each other, even a holocaust as Assad was engaged in of Sunni Arabs[ he’s an allowite].He’s good to Christians was all that mattered to the west.

  182. JM says:
    @Wielgus

    These “Far Leftists” are an arm of the global establishment. Almost all their leaders are Jews, so it’s no surprise that they are open borderists and cultural subverters. If they were worth anything half of them would have had prison terms for some part of their lives. They instead have been promoted to high positions in the state and education institutions and work hand in glove with the establishment.

  183. @peterAUS

    BUT is Strelkov an independent agent, or does he receive funding from an overseas source? I expect no lucid response as these matters are highly secretive on the part of the parties involved.

  184. @Anon

    Anon: I’d bet ten to one that you are either a Talmudist or an intel plant.

  185. @Anon

    Only agents or terminally deluded absorbers of mass mindfuck media would call the elected government of Syria a “brutal regime”. That meme was concocted in Tel Aviv as part of the Obed “Nile to the Euphrates” plan of Eretz Yisroel. So go back to your Yeshiva and whack your wounded weenie.

  186. Che Guava says:
    @emerging majority

    I re-read your reply, it is much of interest, but not being a U.S.A. person, Chomsky is just an international scam.

    I was working at one time for a major research director at one of the major companies here in Japan.

    He was generally pleasant, and the work he was directing was both sinister and interesting.

    He once made a point of boasting of his acquaintance with Chomsky.

    I could only say that Chomsky had nothing to do with science of any kind, and his political writings were a mess.

    This did not make a good impression on my then good friend, now I think long-retired, although we continued to work together.

    To him, whether Chomsky’s work had validity or not didn’t matter.

    Being able to claim friendly acquaintance, and thus a very minor slice of the globalist ruling class prestige pie was the point. I don’t care about it.

    Many Jewish people make and have made interesting contributions to the world, from our host’s political activities and this site, Stanley Kubrick in film, Peter Sellers as an actor.

    Karl Marx is worth reading, although his work is a lie by omission about the role of his tribe in usury-based capitalism, I understood it precisely because of Marx’s lie by omission. Excepting that, his research and citations are deep.

    Chomsky, enough said, not worth a second of anyone’s precious life now.

    Freud, a banal cocaine-crazed fetishist and fantasist. Jung’s ideas have more relation to reality. Of course, Pavlov and Skinner are even more concrete.

    Einstein, the only thing I can say in his favour is that he formulated plagiarised ideas in easier notations than those used by his sources.

    Nothing in either relativity theory is new, the Bose-Einstein condensate was Einstein just tacking his name onto the work of a talented Indian grad student.

  187. Wielgus says:
    @Anon

    “Brutal regime”? Recently the Saudi authorities beheaded over 80 people after Friday prayers. Saudi Arabia has been a lynchpin of the “West” in the Middle East since WW2, despite such quaint practices. Your spelling of “Alawite” suggests no deep knowledge of Syria or the Middle East.
    I doubt whether the postal workers were even given a choice by their executioners. Being given a job by the government delivering mail made them existentially guilty, to an Islamist version of the Khmer Rouge which basically is what Syrian “freedom fighters” are.
    As to “good to Christians”, Western MSM are largely secular and for the most part they suppressed that fact. One British or American journo I read about seven or eight years ago did actually mention that Syrian Christians tend to back Assad, but then went on to say that they had better quit it, or on their heads be it when the “rebels” win. Presumably under a brutal regime with Islamist characteristics.

  188. @JWalters

    My shitlib older brother, who prides himself on how well informed he is, claimed to never have heard of Azovstal or Mariupol when I spoke to him about the surrender there. He hates Russia and especially Putin, as do so many “progressives,” and blames him for the war now happening there, although he is glaringly uninformed about the events of the last 10 years in Ukraine and those leading up to the outbreak of the war now taking place there.

    My brother recognizes that we were lied into the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He even recognizes that we were lied into the Spanish-American War and into the Vietnam debacle. Yet this time, because the villains du jour are Putin and Russia he seems unable to grasp that TPTB are again lying us into another expensive foreign misadventure.

    Lastly, as thiscurrent war is increasingly recognized as a proxy-war waged by the West to weaken Russia to steal her resources, sympathy for Ukraine will continue to recede and be replaced by disgust for the Ukrainian people’s not jettisoning the callous leadership in Kiev.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  189. @erzberger

    Decades ago, in the bad old days of The Cold War, over lunch one day I and several colleagues speculated that if the US and the then USSR reached some sort of rapprochment, they could comfortably control the planet.

    But then the Cold War ended, and the USSR fell; and instead of a peaceful coexistence with Russia ensuing, the neocons slithered out of their sewers, encysted themselves throughout the American body politic and have continued poisoning it ever since.

    So now the world gets death, murder, lies and suffering. Generations of Americans get growing impoverishment and non-stop war. And Russia and China get a mutually beneficial alliance.

  190. Marcali says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    There was no Russian in the Crimea before 1783, when the Russian army occupied it.
    As late as 1897 the Tatars represented 36% and the Russians only 33%.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    , @Avery
  191. Wielgus says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Amazing how many people cannot make connections. Including the “educated”. It’s like what Sonny Corleone said to his brother after hearing he had joined up in WW2 – “Did you go to college to become stupid?”

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  192. “In the blink of an eye, Chomsky says something so incredibly untrue…. The media propaganda concerning events in Ukraine has been so blatantly false and ridiculous that a careful reader will stop suddenly and think: Did he just say that?”

    Ain’t that the truth and nothing but the truth?! Why would Chomsky and Hedges make such “incredibly untrue” claims? Chomsky may be suffering from advanced dementia, but Hedges is not senile yet. So wtf is it? Why are they so fucking stupid?

    I don’t think Edward Curtin, despite all the brilliance of his analysis, has nailed the reason or reasons for the Western lefties’ pathological russophobia. He concludes: “they are often tricksters of beguiling rhetoric that their followers miss. Rhetoric that indirectly fuels the wars they say they oppose.”

    Indeed, indeed. But why?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  193. @Francis Miville

    “As a linguist his influence proved to be exceptionally negative and obscurantist, resulting in the so-called structuralist grammars replacing the more traditional ones based on the study of literary usage everywhere in the Western language teaching world.”

    The great linguist Francis Miville opens his critique with a classic dangling modifier. (“As a linguist his influence proved to be …”)

    But the sentence contains more damning evidence that Miville doesn’t know what he is talking about. What “structuralist” grammar, Francis? You mean “structural grammar,” don’t you? And yes, structural grammar began to replace traditional grammar not because Chomsky said so, but because structural grammar is superior to traditional grammar. Do you know anything about “form” vs “function,” Francis?

    You boy go to school and learn your letters.

  194. @Marcali

    The Tatars can go to Hell along with Ukraine.

    The Russo-Crimean Wars were fought between the forces of Russia and the Crimean Khanate during the 16th century over the region around the Volga River.

    In the 16th century, the Wild Steppes in Russia were exposed to the Khanate. During the wars, the Crimean Khanate invaded central Russia, and burned Moscow.

    The Crimean invasions of Russia began in 1507, after the death of Moscow’s grand duke Ivan III, with the Crimean Khanate attacking the Russian towns of Belev and Kozelsk.

    The Tatars would turn back after extensive looting and kidnapping. Captives were subsequently sent to the Crimean city of Caffa to be sold into slavery. As a result, the Russian population in the border regions suffered heavily.

    Later, the Russian expansion turned to the Black Sea region and the Crimean khanate was invaded several times in the 18th century and finally conquered during the Russo-Turkish Wars.

    Russo-Crimean Wars
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars

    • Thanks: emerging majority
    • Replies: @Marcali
  195. Avery says:
    @Marcali

    Crimea was occupied by various powers for millennia.
    First recorded were the Greeks.
    There is no record before them.
    There is no record of Crimea having had a genuine indigenous population.

    Your friends Tatars who were squatting on Crimea were squatters from East Asia: invaders.
    For centuries Muslim Tatar brigands based in Crimea would raid Slavic lands to capture Slavic peoples — primarily children and young women — to be sold into slavery, through the Ottoman Empire.
    Millions of Slavs were sold into slavery by Tatars and their genocidal Turk allies.
    Turks: another murderous terrorist Islamic invaders from East and Central Asia.

    Finally Russia’s Catherine the Great had had enough and sent the Russian military to clear out the criminal squatters.

    Thank our Christian Orthodox God.

  196. Wild Man says:
    @Robert Konrad

    “Why would Chomsky and Hedges make such “incredibly untrue” claims? Chomsky may be suffering from advanced dementia, but Hedges is not senile yet. So wtf is it? Why are they so fucking stupid? ”

    Well, what it is, is that Hedges is sort of enraptured with Chomsky like so many leftists, …. (Chomsky has fawning leftist intellectual sycophants surrounding him always), and is therefore easily misled, and so Chomsky can blatantly lie to this starry-eyed crew, constantly get away with it, and so Chomsky therefore uses this power to manipulate, ….. and his aim appears to be to destroy true-west by subversive means (from within) and replace it with this weird Jewish-invented lefty religion of created victimizations fueling community scapegoating. I think the inside thinking (though I am not privy) goes something like this: Those who control the community scapegoating dynamic controls the world. Anyway, ….. that is my current take on Chomsky.

    Now Hedges on that other hand, is quite the magnificently skewed mindscape, that allows for both his high creative ability to spin words into multi-layered rhetorics, as well as, at the same time, begging the question: How could it be, that someone with such abilities (a masterful rhetoric-spinner in his own right, like Chomsky is), would otherwise be so misled by the likes of Chomsky?

    I only got obsessed with Hedges for a short while (that was a few years ago now), …. because I had a leftist buddy that was obsessed and enthralled with Hedges, and so I read a bit, watched some interviews and speeches a bit, …. smelled BS, and got interested as to the source or impetus of BS-spinning in what otherwise appears to be a sincere guy, who obviously ain’t no dummy (and can be very rhetorically manipulative in his own right, … weird that, because Hedges apparent sincerity made it look schizophrenic … like he was manipulating himself, was unaware of it somehow, and this added sincerity energized the power of the manipulating rhetoric aimed at others), ….. so I dug a bit there and finally figured it out.

    Believe it or not, by Hedges own insinuation, it is a spiritual matter, or more specifically ….. an ontological matter. Hedges professes his deep spiritual moral imperative is akin to something I would call ‘radical compassion’. A compassion not bounded by reason, he claims. For Hedges, human morality is in some way dependent upon the development, within human minds and hearts, of a radical compassion unbounded by reason. Now that’s a problem. Because it is absolutely not true that the operation of human morality is not contingent on reason.

    So, …. in other words, what we have here (Chomsky) is a covert culture-breaker, doing his work by subterfuge, by psycho-tooling people that have a particularly strong attraction to misplaced pathos (regular leftist folk like Hedges, …..what used to be called ‘bleeding heart liberals’ once upon a time).

    “Rhetoric that indirectly fuels the wars they say they oppose.” …. Indeed, indeed. But why?”

    Because Chomsky doesn’t understand the west, and him being Jewish, seems to have quite a bit to do with that, and since he doesn’t understand it, he twists and devalues it and wants to replace the ongoing grand western experiment around the Enlightenment principles, with something more-s0 Jewish in gestalt, and if subterfuge is necessary for this endeavor (even the subterfuge of a world war 3 apparently), he is fine with that.

    And because Hedges is harboring mental illness, for which an ample cultural space is provided, because such mental illness (among Hedges and other leftists) is useful to powerful others, that have the capacity to provide the ample cultural space for this type of thing.

  197. Wielgus says:

    Ukrainian POWs extracted from Azovstal. A couple of them women, one with “Police” in English on her sleeve. One male POW is searched and asked about weapons – he says he had a pistol but it was already taken away from him.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  198. Wielgus says:
    @MarkU

    The trick is an old one. A famous example was “Zubatovism”. Colonel Zubatov was an official in the Tsarist police who came up with the idea of creating trade unions that were government-sponsored, as a way of controlling unrest. However to maintain credibility they pressed for workers’ demands, and were infiltrated by revolutionaries. The priest Georgiy Gapon became involved and things escalated towards “Bloody Sunday”. Although ultimately a failure in that case, “Zubatovism” has probably worked more often than not, in many countries.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  199. Wielgus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    He clearly has some “pull”, which is suspicious for someone purporting to be a revolutionary. People have had their careers ruined for criticising Israel but Callinicos seems to navigate that sort of minefield well.
    I knew a guy who was studying at evening classes in London, and his essays were marked down for using quotes from Marx’s Das Kapital. This was about 18 years ago.

  200. MarkU says:
    @JWalters

    I hate to be negative but I don’t see any hope that the general public will be the world’s salvation.

    Numerous psychology experiments confirm that human beings are very vulnerable to group pressure. For most people group pressure is capable of overcoming even the evidence of their own eyes, we have lots of evidence from psychology experiments and also the real life example of the JFK shooting. Remember the story of the Emperors New Clothes, which is generally accepted as an attempt to vaccinate children against that particular trick.

    In the aforementioned experiments (and the Emperors New Clothes) the presence of one single ‘rebel’ could significantly increase the likelihood of resisting group pressure. That is why censorship is so dangerous, so long as dissenting voices are allowed there is a limit as to the degree of nakedness the emperor can get away with. My argument is that, since the corporate media tends to be completely unanimous on the priority policies and that the social media companies are censoring dissenting viewpoints on the same policies, that the average citizen doesn’t get to hear from the ‘little boy in the crowd’ and even if he/she does, the fact that their fellows are ignoring it means that most will remain hypnotised.

    We need a rebellion in the ranks of the powers that be, people smart enough to realise that the RF is really the injured party, that they are serious and they have pointedly avoided bluffing . It is a big ask I know but surely somewhere there are people ( even totally corrupt people) that realise that their money is worthless if there is nowhere left to spend it.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  201. @peterAUS

    Blah…blah…blah….(message):Russia is winning…blah…blah…blah……(message):Russia is strong…blah…blah…blah….

    Very convincing. Thank you. With such a cogent, compelling counter argument, you’ve effectively changed my fundamental worldview. A persuasive masterpiece. Nicely done.

    • LOL: InnerCynic
  202. Ace says:
    @Anon

    Again with the Brutal Assad Dictatorship (BAD). Give it a rest already.

  203. Wielgus says:
    @Anon

    The US has been “demonizing” Turkey for buying Russian weapons, rather off-message behaviour even before February 24 this year, and more recently for suggesting it might be a barrier to letting Finland and Sweden into NATO. The US has however given it a free hand in Syria. The “Free Syrian Army”, once the darlings of the Western media, are now little more than a mercenary force under Turkish control. But the huge number of Syrian refugees in the country at a time of economic decline is a source of turmoil now inside Turkey and is weakening the government’s position. Syria is a quagmire in which Turkey does not want to go too deep, in case it goes under.
    Still, I’ll give you one thing. It took two years for Syrian “freedom fighters” to start practising cannibalism. It took the holy saint Ukrainians only about two months.

  204. @GMC

    And thats just it. It’s a story. No witnesses to confirm or deny that he was in fact detained by the SBU…. nothing but the full faith and supposed CONfidence in the one and only the one telling the story. I say it’s bullshit. Why? Because as certain as day follows night he’s doing the same damn thing ever since his supposed detention. The fact that people suck that shit up shows just how desperate they are for information even if it comes from an apartment dwelling YouTuber. Why they don’t go to Patrick who runs around the front lines is a mystery. I guess the silver-tongued devil sitting still is easier to deal with.

  205. @MarkU

    History tells us how often any peoples rebellions have occurred and whether or not they were successful

  206. @Wielgus

    Most ‘unions’ in Austfalia have long been Zubatovian.

  207. @Wielgus

    And the Nazis have put a Russian POW on trial for alleged ‘war crimes’. They started it, and Russia MUST try the Azov death-squad butchers, if only to see industrial strength Western hypocrisy in action. As for the Russian POW- the sewer Austfailian scum-bag MSM is ecstatic over it.

  208. Marcali says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Who else can go to Hell to please you?

    “Before Crimea Was an Ethnic Russian Stronghold, It Was a Potential Jewish Homeland
    Jews have lived in the area since ancient times, and leaders from Catherine the Great to Stalin encouraged their settlement there”
    By Jeffrey Veidlinger, Tablet Magazine,March 4, 2014.
    “On the way to Sevastopol, not too far from Simferopol,” begins what is probably the most famous Yiddish song from the Soviet Union, “Hey Dzhankoye.” The song, named after a collective farm near the Crimean town of Dzhankoy, celebrates the alleged victories of the Soviet collectivization drive of the 1920s and 1930s, which, according to the song, magically transformed Jewish merchants into farmers. “Who says that Jews can only trade?” asks the final verse of the song, “Just take a look at Dzhan.”

  209. @Marcali

    The Khazarians can go to the northwestern corner of Western Australia. They got stomped by the Varangians and Persians more than a thousand years ago. Their caravan pirating and slave-taking empire is no more. Their latest attempt to “recover” their brief control over Crimea is being destroyed on a daily basis by the Russians and their allied forces.

    • Replies: @Marcali
  210. @Marcali

    Well, Jeffrey Veidlinger from the Tablet Magazine is pulling bullshit.

    Catherine the Great conquered and annexed large territories from Poland and the Ottoman Empire, the Jews inhabited those lands for centuries and that includes Crimea, where a very small Jewish diaspora had existed since the times of the Greek. So no one encouraged their settlement there and no one was against it. The Jews were about five percent of the population there.

    Now what’s your point?

    Crimea was Greek, then the Turks conquered it, the Tatars settled there and started raiding the Russian lands, the Russians fought back and conquered it. What are you talking about now – they have to return it to the Turks, or to the Tatars, or to gift it to the Jews, because there is a stupid song in Yiddish that no one has ever heard of? What makes you think that Russia owes these peoples?

    • Replies: @Marcali
  211. Marcali says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The Crimea and its northern approaches under whose occupation:

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    362 Ostrogoths
    406 Huns
    420 Huns + Eastern Roman Empire
    450 ditto
    476 Kutrigur Huns + Goths + Eastern Roman Empire
    528 ditto (Catholic controlled territory)
    562 Avar Khanate +Goths + Eastern Roman Empire
    600 ditto
    626 Khanate of Great Bulgaria +Goths + Eastern Roman Empire
    650 Khazar Khanate + Byzantine Empire
    737 Magyars +Goths
    771 ditto
    830 ditto
    888 Magyars +Goths + Patzinaks
    923 Patzinaks + Goths
    998 ditto
    1028 Patzinaks + Byzantine Empire
    1071 Cumans + Byzantine Empire
    1092 ditto
    1130 ditto
    1173 ditto
    1212 Cumans + Empire of Trebizond
    1230 Cumans
    1278 Khanate of the Golden Horde
    1360 ditto
    1401 Khanate of the Golden Horde + Genoa
    1430 Khanate of the Crimea + Genoa
    1478 Khanate of the Crimea
    Source: The Penguin Atlas of Medieval History (Colin McEvedy)

    Where are the Greeks? Where are the Russians?

    • Replies: @Avery
  212. Marcali says:
    @emerging majority

    “The Khazarians can go to the northwestern corner of Western Australia.”

    What are you talking about? They are already there and not only in Western Australia.
    And some went there by the direction of Jewish organisations.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  213. Avery says:
    @Marcali

    {Where are the Greeks? Where are the Russians?}

    Here you go:

    (from Britannica, no friend of Russians)

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Crimea/History

    [The first settled occupation of Crimea was perhaps by the Cimmerians about 1000 BCE. In the 7th century BCE the Scythians conquered the steppe area, but the Bosporan kingdom survived in the Kerch Peninsula, where it came under strong Greek influence. From the 5th and 4th centuries BCE, the Greeks established colonies along the Crimean coasts, the most important being at Chersonesus, near modern Sevastopol, and Panticapaeum, where Kerch now stands. These colonies, which came under Roman control in 15 BCE, survived a series of attacks by eastern nomadic hordes who subsequently occupied the steppe region.]

    [In the 10th century these coastal cities were claimed by Prince Vladimir I of Kievan Rus, but Kiev was unable to retain Crimea, which fell to the Kipchaks and later to the Tatars of the Golden Horde. In the 13th century the Genoese established commercial outposts along the coast, making their headquarters at Kaffa (modern Feodosiya) and eventually coming to dominate Black Sea trade. In the early 14th century, Islam made dramatic inroads among the Tatar population in the Crimean interior under Öz Beg, a khan of the Golden Horde who had converted to that faith. The remnants of the Golden Horde came to be known as the khanate of Crimea, which submitted to Ottoman suzerainty in 1475. Although their power had waned dramatically from the days of the Mongol conquests, the Tatars made frequent raids on the Muscovite state from their capital at Bakhchysaray in southern Crimea.]

    [The Ottoman Empire was the dominant force in the region for several hundred years, but the expansion of Russia’s southern frontier, begun in earnest in the late 17th century by Peter I (the Great), frequently brought the two powers into conflict. Over the next two centuries, Russia and the Ottoman Empire engaged in a series of wars for control of the Black Sea region. One of those conflicts, fought from 1768 to 1774, concluded with the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca (1774), which ceded to Russia fortresses on the Kerch Peninsula and established an independent Crimean Tatar state. In 1783 Catherine II (the Great) annexed the peninsula, and it became Russian territory.]

    NOTE: Ottoman Empire, the empire of East and Central Asian savage, Muslim invader Turk tribes (Uyguristan), which proceeded to occupy Asia Minor, and wiped out its indigenous Christian peoples: Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontic Greeks (relative latecomers).

    Thanks for asking.
    Glad to have been helpful.

    • Replies: @Marcali
  214. @Marcali

    Of course there would be Jews in Perth and perhaps a couple of the wealthier mining towns, but up there in the N.W. corner where hardly anyone lives and almost no money in that area?

  215. Marcali says:
    @Avery

    Why exacily did Prince Vladimir I claim the Greek settlements? Over and beyond the land of Patzinaks and Goths?

  216. Humwawa says:

    I think most are scared. They just don’t have the courage to stand up for the truth in the face of this unprecedented war propaganda. Moreover, it’s the simplicity of the fact that the Russians did invade. Most stop there and don’t want to hear more. Anything else is too complicated. Too much trouble. When I try to explain things, people get that doubtful expression on their face. Some ask me to send links. When I do carefully select the easiest to understand comprehensive summery from thousands of documents, I usually don’t hear from them again. Or they reply with some anodyne nonsense about why they can’t make an analysis, or whatever. Some are angry with Putin for having given the collective West such a devastating PR victory as if Putin was personally responsible for pandering their delicate souls.

    Since February, it’s been like having fallen through Alice in Wonderland’s rabbit hole. It’s like having woken up in a different universe. It’s as if there had been a fascist coup and nobody noticed. Suddenly, no matter whom I talk to or what site I visit, there always is the mantra of “Putin’s brutal war of aggression”, which has even made it to the Church pulpit.

    To be fair, Chomsky did point to the contradiction of claiming that the Russian military is failing while at the same time claiming that the Russians are about to conquer an empire. But then he goes on to blame the Russians for the conflict ignited by the US. Either he doesn’t have the courage to say the truth, or he just isn’t familiar with the history of the conflict. I don’t know.

    In Europe, most who favored improved relations with Russia have gone into hiding. They keep their heads down. For politicians it’s political suicide to not condemn Putin. I really do fear for Europe. Monstrous lies as they are told about the Ukraine war just can’t prevail. There is bound to be a rude awakening.

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