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The brawl between the Proud Boys and the Antifa in New York on October 12.
The brawl between the Proud Boys and the Antifa in New York on October 12.

The Proud Boys could only have arisen in the Trump era. A multi-racial fraternity dedicated to “Western chauvinism” and brawling with the Antifa is not something the Tea Party could have produced.

There’s always been an element of the ridiculous in the Proud Boys. They have a distinctive uniform consisting of a black-and-yellow Fred Perry polo shirt with a MAGA hat. Their initiation rite requires potential members to take a beating until they can name five brands of cereal. And even though “Western chauvinist” sounds like a more polite way of saying white supremacist, the Proud Boys boast more racial diversity than the Antifa. And the music video for the group is . . . something else:

The Proud Boys represents the absurdity that is “Trumpism” shorn of racialism. The group’s ideology is amorphous, and often resembles libertarian talking points – for example, “glorifying the entrepreneur.” The Proud Boys’ only two clear principles are support for Trump and a desire to fight the Antifa. That appeared to be enough to attract members, but that second quality has proven to be the group’s undoing.

One fight in New York City led to criminal charges for several members and a leadership crisis within the group. Gavin McInnes resigned as leader following reports(that turned out to be inaccurate) that the FBI had classified the Proud Boys as an extremist group. Milo Yiannopoulos followed suit and publicly disassociated himself from the group. A new chief, Jason Lee Van Dyke, was selected, and then quickly departed, adding to the group’s turmoil. On top of all this, the group has been kicked offnearly every social media platform and payment processor due to its numerous brawls.

McInnes is now suing the Southern Poverty Law Center over its designation of the Proud Boys as a hate group. McInnes claims in his lawsuit that the designation has cost him business and amounted to “tortious interference.” This Alt Lite figure also wants the SPLC to stop connecting him to hate groups, while also wanting the “anti-hate” smear operation to cease which claims that the Proud Boys are violent. It’s unclear whether this lawsuit will succeed or not. What is clear is that it shows the present disarray of the group and how it’s trying to clean up its image.

A lot of folks on the Dissident Right have reveled in the Proud Boys’ misery because of the group’s cuckery. Some have even argued that their cucking is why the group is in decline. If only they had stood by White Nationalists and not insisted on their opposition to the Alt Right, the argument goes, they would be in better shape right now.

That’s a silly argument. The real reason the Proud Boys are in decline is because of their dedication to street violence – the quality which both attracted support as well as the attention of law enforcement. Of course, much of their violence was in self-defense against the Antifa’s aggression and wouldn’t be prosecuted by a sane system. But nevertheless, it was a group primarily based on violence, which is hazardous for the Right. Every group dedicated to violence will face law enforcement scrutiny and brutal coverage from the press. The Proud Boys seemed unable to overcome those challenges.

The Antifa can engage in political violence at will thanks to the support of the media and cultural elites, as well as deep-pocketed legal defense funds. The Right cannot hope for such support at present. Many normie conservatives loved to watch videos of the Proud Boys knocking out the Antifa, but that is in no way comparable to the Left’s moral imperative to “punch Nazis.” Major outlets such as CNN have run glowing profiles of the Antifa and their commitment to “civil rights.” Even the Antifa’s numerous attacks on journalists have not convinced the cultural elites to drop their admiration for the black-clad anarchists. This is a double standard that is unjust, and yet we cannot change it.

Meanwhile, Right-wing groups that engage in violence can expect to face the full force of the law and media condemnation. The Proud Boys’ brawl in New York City last October well illustrates this point. Ten Proud Boys were charged in connection with a fight that broke out following a speech by Gavin McInnes. Two Proud Boys approached a group of Antifa demonstrators, which prompted one of the anarchists to throw a water bottle at the Trump supporters. A brawl ensued, and the Proud Boys emerged victorious.

But footage of the fight went viral on the Internet and the media demanded harsh justice. As a result, the victorious Proud Boys were rounded up and charged with rioting and attempted assault. The members face stiff sentences if found guilty. Interestingly, authorities are prosecuting these Proud Boys without the cooperation of their supposed victims, who refuse to identify themselves to police. The state wants punishment more than the Antifa does.

As a side note, a fact from the case that highlights the non-racialist character of the Proud Boys is that one of their members who was charged is a Latino skinhead. Another one is a white man who is married to a black woman. That man was – hilariously – labelled a white supremacist in the press.

All of this hoopla is over one single Saturday night fight. Additionally, the Proud Boys are having trouble getting the funds together to pay for the legal defense of their indicted brothers. The Antifa would never have this problem, as they have the National Lawyers Guild on their side and ready to help them in their legal troubles.

The lesson from all this is that it’s foolhardy for Right-wing groups to dedicate themselves to political violence. The Proud Boys are trying to learn from this lesson, and no longer encourage their members to participate in street brawls. But the damage to the group is already done and it’s unlikely it will recover from its present troubles.

Violence committed by the Left will either be ignored or justified by the media, as well as all “respectable” liberals. At the same time, violence committed by the Right will be condemned by everyone, including by most Right-wingers. Liberals have the power to wield the state against the Right, and violence gives them the pretext to do so. As seen by the Department of Justice’s inaction on the Antifa, conservatives are incapable of forcing the state to do the same against violent Leftists.

The Proud Boys managed to get a wide range of support for their brawls that White Nationalists could never receive, and yet that goodwill has not enabled them to raise sufficient legal funds nor get the charges against them dismissed. Yes, Right-wingers will always get the blame for street brawls, regardless of who started it. But actively seeking such brawls is just asking to get your group deplatformed and sent to jail. Every Right-wing group will suffer censorship, attacks, and press scrutiny. It’s just part of the deal.

The thirst for violence adds state pressure to the list of troubles. The Proud Boys could stand up to press smears, but withered under pressure from law enforcement. As most groups would. Very few people will stick around while your group is being swarmed by feds, and only a fraction are willing to go to jail for the cause. It’s hard enough for Right-wing groups to attract support without the possibility of jail time.

Self-defense is never wrong, but that’s different from basing your group’s entire existence upon brawling with the Antifa. In America’s current climate, the Right only stands to lose if it embraces political violence.

(Republished from Counter-Currents Publishing by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Crimson2 says:

    The Proud Boys keep getting arrested. Tough break.

    • Replies: @Boo Radley
  2. In America’s current climate, the Right only stands to lose if it embraces political violence.

    Is this a Troll? Seriously? The right doesn’t stand at all, it squats. And it squats to lose whether it defends itself physically or it hides in its man cave watching sportsball drinking scotch and microbrewed beer.

    The only way that the right can win is to stop playing the game (or at least stop playing it by the commies’ rules and on their turf). NYC is enemy territory, winning there is as likely as Barry Goldwater winning a seat on the Politburo against Joe Stalin in 1950. Try instead baiting the Antifaggots into their LARPing antics in an open-carry State at a 2A women’s patriot rally or something. The optics of a group of mothers defending themselves against masked attackers is a whole other thing entirely. Antifaggots LARP in their masks and hoodies, remove their masks and dox the hell out of them – make their mommies and daddies squirm for supporting the little commie freaks living in their basements. And quit calling them “anarchists” when they are in fact communists. Quit accepting the commies’ reality inversion naming conventions and call things by their true name – that would be a great place to start wouldn’t it?

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @t-gordon
  3. Anonymous[846] • Disclaimer says:

    The PB aren’t even pro-white, and many of their members are non-white. But they fight the Antifa fags so they have to go, sayeth the jews.

  4. swamped says:

    If the Proud Boys are proud enough to take on Antfa on their own turf and not shrink from the task with the odds stacked against them, then that is the stuff of which legends are made. Even Mandela was considered a terrorist by U.S. authorities at one point. The final chapter is waiting to be written.

  5. BenKenobi says:

    Charlottesville was the Empire striking back from the Battle of Berkeley.

    Berkeley showed what happens when the Establishment takes a hands-off approach to Right-vs-Left street-level political violence. Antifa was soundly routed, their flags captured. Damigo never saw any legal consequences for punching Moldilocks. It was a hugely symbolic victory in the heady days of the nascent Trump administration. It could have been the turning point in the battle for the West.

    Charlottesville was the double-jeopardy retrial of Berkeley. This time the DA pulled every dirty trick in the book. The win was more important than the optics of jettisoning all pretence of legitimacy.

    This is why we now see relatively innocuous groups like Proud Boys ruthlessly given the business-end of anarcho-tyranny.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @AndrewR
  6. JimDandy says:

    The Proud Boys unforgivable crime was that they were making MAGA hats and loving Trump hip and subversive–in the cool way, like Punk and other subculture movements. This was correctly seen by the leftist elites as a serious threat to their cultural monopoly. McInnes, who has been dubbed “The Godfather” of hipsterdom was co-founder of Vice Magazine, and has a black belt in the aesthetics, ironic humor, etc. that are the basic components of COOL. And, yes, they promoted masculinity and had a policy of punching back. That takedown of Proud Boys in New York was an astonishing well-coordinated conspiracy–Antifa scared and provoked The Proud Boys with violence and vandalism, and when they defended themselves, New York’s disgusting excuse for a governor found them guilty within hours, and displayed brazen abuse of power while posting one of the most cringeworthy and disingenuous political tweets in history:

    “Hate cannot and will not be tolerated in New York: Here’s a message from a Queens boy to the so-called ‘proud boys’ – ​NY has zero tolerance for your bs.”

    The mainstream media also flipped reality into a fictional narrative featuring the The Proud Boys as the aggressors and, then, according to many police who spoke anonymously, that scumbag Cuomo and the equally shameless De Blasio ordered the police to round up as many Proud Boys as they could find and throw the book at them, and they did.

  7. I really don’t want to pile on here; the Proud Boys did nothing wrong at all and surely don’t deserve the evil fate which has befallen them. But I tend to agree with the author that this was probably a bad idea from the start.

    Even the name ‘Proud Boys’ makes me snicker. It really does sound kinda gay. Worse still, it reminds me of that old Duran Duran song, Wild Boys, which was also pretty gay:

    Just bad marketing all the way around.

    If it’s any consolation to Gavin McInnes, he can reflect on the fact that Rich Spencer hasn’t found the silver bullet either.

    • Replies: @crimson2
    , @JimDandy
  8. Both Antifa and alt Right are the different sides of of the same coin. It is stirred and supported by the regime of the empire and it’s oligarchs. Just a distraction from the real thing. I never heard of the so called antifa to protest any of the empire aggressions over the US borders. It is not like in seventies , where there was real protest against criminal empire destroying millions of lives in Vietnam. Even then the protests were more about US serviceman being killed or maimed in the war, rather than real concern about Vietnamese people. In general US society is really sick and so enamored with itselves that it makes them blind about the criminal character of their country. USA, USA, USA!!!! That is all their ideology.

    • Replies: @Anon
  9. HiHo says:

    Antifa is funded by George Soros and similar groups such as Hate Not Hope are funded by Sainsbury in the UK.
    Soros is a faux Jew just like his faux Jew buddies Rothschild and Netanyahu (all Kazars and not a drop of Sephardic Semitic blood between the lot of them).
    Soros does what Rothschild tells him to do. In the UK you can’t even fart in the direction of a faux Jew without being arrested, inprisoned and have your livelihood destroyed for ever by our ever so nice faux Jewish rulers.
    Sounds like you have a way to go before you lot on the other side of the pond get to enjoy all that lot.
    And you must not forget faux Jews have no sense of humour, no understanding of irony and the truth is whatever any particular Jew says it is! O the joys of being ruled by faux Jews and their arse lickers like May and all the cretins in Westminster (and from what I can make out Washington too!)
    No lie is too big for the Jew…no offence is too small not to be punished for the goyim!

  10. “Self-defense is never wrong ….”

    And that is why the Right will never be seen as defending themselves, regardless of context or causation. They are supposed to merely crawl away and die.

  11. Joe862 says:

    “basing your group’s entire existence upon brawling with the Antifa” – this is a very stupid assertion.

  12. Proud boys are only in their infancy. Once they mature, they must become full fledged SA.

    • Replies: @Wally
  13. t-gordon says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Both The Proud Boys and The Antifa appear to me to be an urban, media/social media generated phenomena. I used to read Gavin McInnes and appreciated his stance against political correctness but have found myself wearied by hipsters Right or Left. As I’ve gotten older and the past two years have gotten nastier, it seems to me that the stakes are higher than that ridiculous video and I wonder if these early manifestations of violence are a cute harbinger of what could be in store. I say “could be” because I always hope for saner days than these, but any sense of situational awareness that I have tells me to “be prepared”.

  14. You have to have something like an ideology. Otherwise, even milquetoast street fighting groups tend to be either suppressed or simply fizzle out.

  15. wayfarer says:

    Cultural Marxism: Its central idea is to soften up and prepare Western Civilization for economic Marxism after a gradual, relentless, sustained attack on every institution of Western culture, including schools, literature, art, film, the Christian religious tradition, the family, sexual mores, national sovereignty, etc. The attacks are usually framed in Marxist terms as a class struggle between oppressors and oppressed; the members of the latter class allegedly include women, minorities, homosexuals, and adherents of non-Western ideologies such as Islam. Cultural Marxism has been described as “the cultural branch of globalism.”

    source: https://www.conservapedia.com/Cultural_Marxism

    Trotskyism: the political, economic, and social principles advocated by Trotsky especially the theory and practice of communism developed by or associated with Trotsky and usually including adherence to the concept of worldwide revolution as opposed to socialism in one country.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism

    Who Made the Useful Idiots of the Left?

  16. polistra says:

    All of these groups are Deepstate puppets. The only lesson for ordinary people is: When you see an organized group serving a political purpose, STAY AWAY. DON’T BE THERE.

    The outcome of all puppet shows is pre-scripted. The “right” side always loses and often dies. Your participation is designed to help Deepstate kill more Deplorables.

    STAY HOME.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  17. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    yeah this is moldbergs argument but it applies to non violent tactics as well the left has no rules that will be enforced against it politically or propaganda it can lie contradict its own values cheat steal whatever and the jews will use their power to cover them conversely the right is held to impossible standards every word and deed scrutinized for microaggression any actually lies cheating or stealing will be punished swiftly and an order of magnitude more harshly for the same crime not politically significant.
    Your argument is what talk they are moving to outlaw hate speech and hate think not only have they decades ago legalized such laws and continued to reinterpret them expansionary but pass new laws constantly in europe its already illegal to not be a cuck but even this isnt enough they have been for a decade rolling out the total surveillance state which is what i told moldbug and land and their techno commercial cuckery would happen (((tech))) isnt going to save you its going to enslave you totally

    there’s only one way serious civil war guerrilla war and it better happen fast because its almost too late to win. as for the normies and cucks well you cant win them over with words they have already been pozd with other words their entire life and besides they are committed to order and order cant win only violence found civilizations we have to face we actually lost the civilization collapsed and was rebuilt by leftists decades ago which is why they own the police and courts you need to dislodge them with force. It can be done you have to be smart draw them into mistakes on camera make them upset the normies and cucks and most importantly force people to chose most normies and cucks are not so much deciding for the left they just dont want their quiet desperation disturbed and as long as thats remotely possible they will cuck civil war not muh guns in the woods civil war though that might be a part more like i just shut down the internet because tech and deep state are spying on us all and here is the proof assholes like lady gaga or whoever are afrid to be seen in public or speak or tweet because bad shit happens to big mouth leftists theres millions of things smart white guys could do literally we could launch autonomous drone and bot swarms against the left if we just would stop the yakking and start the war.
    and no you cant have a youtube channel of your army and ask for donations it has to be decentralized if the lefty lawyers actually join antifa then its rico time they just see they need a lawyer and volunteer the fact is though wars hell we are going to die probably better we die than be captured at least we will die like men. If youre thinking tis is crazy youre going to die a slave its that simple having power is always so tempting their will be those willing to use any means necessary to get it if youre not willing to do the same you end up owned we didnt age out of this reality its not different in the post modern world

  18. crimson2 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    the Proud Boys did nothing wrong at all and surely don’t deserve the evil fate which has befallen them.

    Nah, they deserve it.

  19. wayfarer says:

    Nationalism: identification with one’s own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

    Trump to Sign Border Bill, then Declare National Emergency.

  20. AceDeuce says:
    @swamped

    “Even Mandela was considered a terrorist by U.S. authorities at one point”.

    Maybe because Mandela WAS a terrorist….

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  21. Punch the Commies… but who is the state? Until that has been clearly acknowledged, there is no end to the festering malaise!

  22. JimDandy says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Not as gay a Milo Yiannapolos. I get what you’re saying, but the fact that The Proud Boys strike you as gay or stupid isn’t really germane here, is it? Being kind of gay–and explicitly gay-friendly–is precisely the kind of thing that scared the left. The fact is, they kind of took off there for a second, and videos of big, brawny, multicultural Proud Boys humiliating Antifa by knocking them the fuck out in self-defense started turning them into heroes to everyone who ever fantasized about punching one of those masked scum. No, I’m afraid their marketing was TOO good–that’s what made them a threat to the NeverTrumpers, and that’s what got them taken down, along with Milo and many others. Say what you want about Milo, but his homosexuality and stylish flamboyance and quick-witted insult and ability to be a gay man the straight white college boys loved sent the left into crisis mode. MAGA hat wearers must be presented to the public as a monolithic group of racist hillbillies acting as useful idiots for fat, cigar chomping, country club Republicans. And anyone who shows the lie of that narrative must be “de-platformed.” Hard.

    Come on–THIS is bad marketing? Really?

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  23. c matt says:

    Not bad marketing. But, perhaps a little more strategery is needed. Street violence is Antifa’s game, and they have the backing of the PTB to carry it out, at least in certain places. They use anonymity for protection from doxxing, and they like to wear black. Here are some thoughts: (1) don’t engage them on their turf, (2) if you want to engage them, force them to come to your turf – how will those helmets and black masks feel in southeast Texas in August, 101 F w/ 99% humidity?

  24. TKK says:

    “Every group dedicated to violence will face law enforcement scrutiny and brutal coverage from the press”

    Did you have a big toke of crazy before writing that insanity?

    You mean every WHITE group that does not lather into a rabid rage over Trump will be scrutinized and brutalized. His staff is attacked when they eat out, and rodeo clown/ Esther look a like Maxine Waters orders people to attack them with no repercussions.

    I watched as BLM protestors threw metal garbage cans at whites at UNC Chapel Hill and the campus security and Chapel Hill fuzz were SCREAMING…. SCREAMING to the white students to stand down and not fight back as some were looking for teeth on the pavement.

    • Agree: follyofwar, JamesinNM
  25. anarchyst says:
    @AceDeuce

    Mandela WAS a terrorist who was in prison for murder. The South African authorities offered to release him immediately if he would renounce violence. He refused. He held the “keys” to his own release, but was too stupid to renounce violence.

  26. Wally says:
    @joeshittheragman

    You mean the SA who reacted to and stopped Communist violence in Germany?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @joeshittheragman
  27. bjondo says:

    Are the Proud Boys sheep
    led by zionized shepherds
    McInnes and Yiannapolos?

    Toss in Faithfake Goldy –
    ‘Axis of Zionist Tools’
    leading sheep into traps.

    5ds

  28. Antifa works for the Empire. The Proud Boys have learned that they cannot fight the Empire. Not by brawling in the street. They will have to start an armed insurgency and risk death if they want to move against the Authorities. Or they could learn from the French Yellow Jackets and call for a general strike. Not as dangerous as armed insurgency but effective if it gains enough support.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @AndrewR
  29. Technomad says:

    If it were possible, I’d love to sucker Antifa into attacking something like the Sturgis or Daytona Beach motorcycle rallies. The real 1% would take care of business, and probably hardly notice it.

  30. Neuday says:

    Proud Boys taught us the State will permit Antifa violence. The wise and eventual reponse will be to focus on doxxing Antifa or it’s descendents and improving sniper skills. It’s still 1858; EBT still works, the economy hasn’t imploded yet, food is cheap, Leviathan hasn’t yet partially defaulted on SSI or Medicare, and the dollar is still the reserve currency. When all these change, and you know they will, the State will have many distractions. Then will be the time to encourage relocations and repatriations. I don’t want to live in Berkeley or NYC or Charlottesville, and those people should keep the hell away from where I and my people live.

  31. M Edward says:

    What a one-side pile of crap this article is…..

    AntiFa okay, Proud Boys bad …… GTFO.

  32. @BenKenobi

    Tucker Carlson, bless him, sometimes tiptoes up to supporting the dissident right. But he knows he can’t go too far at neocon Fox and still keep his job. Anyway, he had a commentary a little while back in which he blamed Trump for not jumping to the defense of his supporters. Without mentioning it, perhaps he was thinking of Charlottesville, where Trump caved when the media came down on him with full force for suggesting that there were some good people there among the Nationalists. For them it was a matter of Good vs Evil, with the clean cut white guys, who had a legal permit while Antifa did not, being the evil ones.

    Tucker said that Obama would never have allowed that to happen, as he always supported his followers. Of course having Big Media, as well as the Justice Dept., the SPLC, the ACLU, and the Lawyers Guild on his side did make things quite a bit easier for him.

  33. Agent76 says:

    MAY 8, 2018 In One Year, 57,375 Years of Life Were Lost to Police Violence

    A new study finds police killings exact a toll greater than accidental gun deaths.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/05/the-57375-years-of-life-lost-to-police-violence/559835/

    June 16, 2016 Supreme Court Ruling: Police Have No Duty to Protect the General Public

    However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety.

    http://tribunist.com/news/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/

    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  34. @WorkingClass

    The US is not France. A general strike would be impossible here. Only 10% of the work force belongs to a union anyway, and most of them are government workers, the majority of whom are not allowed to strike.

  35. @polistra

    Well, that’s one way to guarantee that your side will lose.

  36. AndrewR says:
    @BenKenobi

    What is legitimacy? The vast majority of people who know about UTR have fully accepted the state narrative:

    evil white supremacists, none of whom were “very fine people” like the evil president says, were outnumbered by virtuous saint counterprotesters. The police had every legal and moral reason to shut the Nazis down, and they did their job well.

  37. AndrewR says:
    @WorkingClass

    The French have much stronger culture of strikes and protest than the US does

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  38. LoudBoy says:

    Gavin and his boys are, indeed, totally obsequious and fawning when it comes to Israel. Lotta good it did ’em, eh?

  39. I stopped about a third way through.

    Whatever their shortcomings, the Proud Boys are like Trump: they represent a move in the right direction (pun not intended).

    You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem, as they used to say back when I was a puppy.

  40. JamesinNM says:

    Unfortunately, freedoms required spilled blood and will continue to do so.

  41. @Agent76

    One of the most ridiculously innumerate tantrums I have read in a while.

    Police are in no way faultless, but that pathetic article is shameless. Do better.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  42. onebornfree says: • Website

    It seems to me that the Proud Boys biggest mistake was not their acts of retaliatory self defense against Antifa thugs [which, taken by themselves, I have thoroughly enjoyed watching 🙂 ] , but their being taken in, hook, line and sinker by the whole Trump show.

    Also see:

    “The bipartisan spending binge is now worse than under Bush and Obama”:
    https://www.conservativereview.com/news/bipartisan-spending-binge-now-worse-bush-obama/

    Regards, onebornfree

  43. MBlanc46 says:

    Violence is coming. There will be no avoiding it. Knowing when and how to engage will be a critical skill. Eschewing violence is simply giving up in advance.

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  44. MBlanc46 says:
    @AndrewR

    We can learn. The Left are setting us an example.

  45. This is about where I expected a movement dancing around its true purpose, led by a man who inserts butt plugs in his own rectum to end up.

  46. wayfarer says:

    Socialism in Marxist theory is a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

    source: https://www.conservapedia.com/Cultural_Marxism

    Why Today’s Youth Loves Socialism, Explained.

  47. @follyofwar

    France has a fairly reasonable welfare system and one can survive while on strike. But overall, protest is a young people’s game because older people want to earn money for their families.

    Violence might work in France or the Muslims might simply seize the opportunity to start a war.

    In the US, a full-on police state, the military would shoot people like dogs if a resistance became armed and violent.

    Nobody cares if a bunch of hippies occupy Wall Street but the Pentagon would not allow an actual civil war. And they have an air force.

    A bunch of hicks with guns in their pickups driving to DC would be bombed by the Air Force and that would be the end of that.

    Also, the tendencies of blacks and Mestizos would be unleashed in such a situation. Apolitical and only interested in rape and pillage, they might victimize a besieged and vulnerable white population. Forget might…it would be inevitable.

    People forget why the US HAS a police state. It is intended to suppress black and Mestizo criminal tendencies. Not to protect common or garden whites, but corporate interests.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @follyofwar
  48. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uriash Pablito

    >”Both Antifa and alt Right are the different sides of of the same coin”

    Good German! Wanna fence-sitting doggie biscuit?

  49. @jeff stryker

    You never skip a chance to slur whites, yet I never see you use derogatory names for other groups. Funny how that works.

    No the AF would not just bomb whites. The military has always been the wild card, which is why the Left is so hell-bent on its “diversification.”

    The elites definitely fear whites with guns, many of whom are ex-military, and nowhere near stupid enough to engage in symmetrical warfare with the military.

    If whites with guns were unleashed, I don’t think Meztizos or blacks would be an issue. The police state would have its hands full, and likely overwhelmed if the military didn’t go along with killing Americans.

    FWIW, the police state doesn’t do much of a job in opposing minority “tendencies.” If anything, the system is set up to increase the numbers of Mestizos and tolerate black dysfunction, as long as the flow of money to the top isn’t threatened, and the victims are non-elite whites.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  50. @jeff stryker

    You are right about protest, or at least street protest, being a young persons game. They have the youthful energy, even if directed in the wrong place, and are not yet fully invested in the crumbling society.

    Once people get a bit older and have children they are part of the system and, even if they’d like to protest, their first concerns are feeding their family and keeping their jobs. Then there is the issue of income in retirement, which could be at risk.

    I have no doubt that Trump would crack down just as hard, or harder, than Lincoln if he was faced with an armed insurrection. And technology puts us much closer to “1984,” in the sense that resistence is futile, than was possible in Lincoln’s time.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    , @jeff stryker
  51. Joe862 says:
    @follyofwar

    I’d think it could be an old person’s game as well. Not fighting, but protesting, being involved more aggressively in politics. The problem is when you have a lot of responsibility and are dependent on a paycheck. The inability of people to manage their money is a huge part of the problem.

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  52. Proud Boys are pro-Israel and make it a point to say they are capitalists and are defenders of capitalism. Anyone that can’t figure this one out is beyond help!

    Never wonder why all capitalist countries are pro-Israel? Why America/NATO have been overthrowing and bombing socialist/commie countries for our entire lives? This isn’t hard folks!

    Heres an idea for the Alt-right, you want to overthrow the ZOG right? Antifa wants to overthrow capitalism right? Both are essentially the same thing! Capitalism=ZOG
    Antifa and Proud boys should be BFF’s!

    Both are controlled opposition. Doesn’t take Einstein to figure this out folks!

    Not smart!

  53. @MBlanc46

    Violence is coming. There will be no avoiding it. Knowing when and how to engage will be a critical skill. Eschewing violence is simply giving up in advance.

    Blackwater? Mercenaries are coming. I’ve heard. They even put a full page ad in a magazine stating that “We are coming”…. Death squads in America, not long after that, droning Americans.

    It won’t be citizens doing it, it will be mercenaries just like in Syria with CIA/Mossad ISIS. I’m sure the media/govt. will say it is civil war just like they did for Syria.

    The mass shootings and school shootings are the prelude, to prepare the minds of dumb Americans, Las Vegas was no doubt a mercenary-CIA job.

    You’re not fooling anyone spooks.

  54. FvS says:

    In Netflix documentary Alt-Right: Age of Rage, Mark Potok, Jewish director of the SPLC, was caught with this on his office wall.

  55. @follyofwar

    FOLLY

    Generation X, born from 1965 to 1981, had it pretty good. We came of age in the Clinton era and by the time things really fell apart we were well into careers and not in a huge hurry to get out in the road and protest. When you are single 22 year old full of piss and vinegar in the prime of your life, protest is fun. When you are 50 with a beer gut and 2 kids in college, it is not as attractive to sleep in tents in NYC in the cold and lose your job.

    Gen Y has no economy to stand on, so the feeling among the 1% in the US or in France is that after enough wasted time, they will simply return to the parent’s basement.

    The people that are serious about civil war are mostly older white males who are angry because their communities don’t matter in the hinterlands.

    And if you live in the Ozarks, how are you going to lay siege to NYC Wall Street or Beltway. The most insurgent populace, like always, are rural people far from the centers of power and influence.

    They could in theory hold the Ozarks or Idaho mountains, but who would care? Have you noticed that nobody made a big deal about the Ferguson riots compared to LA 1992? Why? Because it is just a bunch of ghetto blacks burning down their crack houses and liquor stores.

    How self-sufficient are the malcontent hicks who’d like to invade NYC? Could they survive without their Opoid rehab centers, Wal-Marts and fuel?

    Mexicans and blacks who normally hate the cops would probably cooperate if white hicks made a half-ass attempt at invading DC or NYC-forming a militia of sorts out of gangs and sets who were deputized to fight whites.

    So white hicks trying to maintain supply lines from the hinterlands would face not only the military but a mobilized black and Mestizo militia who were willing to set aside differences to fight against whites, whom they all hate.

    I am white, urban and working middle class. I know the degree to which some blacks and Hispanics detest whites.

    My fellow white posters are very unrealistic. Apache helicopters exist to quell civil insurrection-watch the film BLUE THUNDER with Roy Scheider about the police helicopter intended to suppress black riots.

  56. @Joe862

    JOE

    Mexicans would be happy to do union jobs; no need to pay the mafia to hide Hoffa’s body this time around. NAFTA solved that problem.

    Occupy Wall Street demonstrates that well-heeled Yuppies are happy to walk over cold and shivering hippies on the road.

  57. @OilcanFloyd

    OILCAN

    Fine. The Lace-Curtain Micks and the Wonder-Bread Wops and Hebes living large off Wall Street and swimming the beltway swamp like pond-scum are not going to put up with a bunch of Baptist and Methodist Hicks and Rubes rolling in from wilderness of their dirt-road ghost towns and post-industrial cities in their Silverados.

    You have to remember that urban bubble-city whites ARE DIFFERENT RACES. They are not Protestant of colonial British descent. From day one when they slithered through Ellis Island they began taking over the East Coast power structure.

  58. @follyofwar

    There is no need to be a union member to participate in a general strike.

  59. Jay says:

    Please don’t sully the idea of stateless, necessarily cooperative, anarchy, that of interdependent self reliance resting entirely on defending lives, cooperatively earned incomes/property and anarchy’s exclusively choice driven social and economic relationships from politicized thieves and bigots such as Antifa. Antifa is the opposite of anarchy, a state oriented pursuit of political power, using racial vilification, political propaganda and violent street aggression in hopes of intimidating a majority into believing thieving human filth should be legally entitled to effortlessly plunder others, for whatever they want.

  60. @Crimson2

    Silly White kids…
    They should have hired some West Hollywood gay actors to hang a noose on them and toss some black paint around to win the sympathies of legions of #metoo actors and politicians.

  61. @swamped

    That’s because my dude..mandela actually was a terrorist

  62. Dance-brawling is for Jets and Sharks on Broadway.

    At my age, an invitation to violence means either I’m dead or they are.

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