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This isn’t a MAGA website.

The current narrative in MAGA world is that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. There is no use arguing with them about it. It is hopeless.

Before this happened, they believed the Democrats were blood sucking pedophiles who worshipped Satan and that the Durham Report and indictments were coming and Trump was playing 4D chess and was going to going to defeat of all his enemies. Losing the election was never within the realm of possibility.

If you are still reading this website, you are probably not one of these people. I’ve already pissed them off long ago for not supporting Donald Trump. Consider the following: a decisive percentage of White men were repulsed by this and sat out the election or voted for Joe Biden. This is the reason why Joe Biden won 43% of the White vote (the same share Obama won in 2008) and the 2020 election.

MAGA isn’t attributing Trump’s victory in Florida to voter fraud.

In Florida, Trump defeated Joe Biden more decisively than he defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. Trump won 51.2% to 47.9% in 2020 compared to 49.0% to 47.8% in the 2016 election. The reason that Trump won Florida so much more decisively than when he beat Hillary is because Hispanics in South Florida moved toward Trump as they did in some other places like South Texas.

Florida, however, was the exception to the rule:

In the states that are shaded red, Donald Trump improved on his 2016 performance, but in the states that are shaded blue the opposite was true. Joe Biden improved on Hillary Clinton’s performance.

In Utah, the Mormon cucks who voted for Evan McMullin in 2016 came home to Trump. In 2020, Trump is winning Utah by 58.6% to 37.5%, but in 2016 he won it only by 45.5% to 27.46%. In 2020, Joe Biden is winning Nevada by 48.8% to 48%, but Hillary won it by 47.92% to 45.5% in 2016. There was a red shift toward Trump in Utah and Nevada. He performed better in those states in 2020.

What is going on in Illinois? In Illinois, Joe Biden is beating Trump, 55.8% to 42.3% in 2020. In the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton defeated Trump, 55.83% to 38.76%. Joe Biden is winning Hillary’s 2016 voters in Illinois, but Trump is doing about 4 points better in Illinois in the 2020 election. In 9 out of 50 states, only two of which were swing states, the Jared Kushner strategy and campaign message worked better than Trump’s 2016 strategy. Joe Biden improved on Hillary’s performance in 41 out of 50 states.

In Sweet Home Alabama, Trump beat Hillary in 2016, 62.8% to 34.36%. In 2020, Trump beat Joe Biden, 62.5% to 36.4%. In other words, there was a 2 point blue shift in Alabama to Joe Biden. Similarly in Kentucky, Trump beat Hillary in 2016, 62.52% to 32.68%. In the 2020 election, Trump beat Joe Biden in Kentucky, 62.7% to 35.6%. There was a three point blue shift in Kentucky to Joe Biden. Check the map above and run the numbers and your state. In 41 out of 50 states, Joe Biden improved on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 performance. This is true in the whitest states in the country.

As we have already seen, Trump turned a 0.5% defeat in New Hampshire in 2016 into a 7% defeat there in 2020. He turned a 3% defeat in Maine in 2016 into a 10% defeat in 2020. He turned a 10% victory in Iowa in 2016 into an 8% victory in 2020. He turned a 1.5% defeat in Minnesota in 2016 into a 7% defeat in 2020. He is losing Wisconsin to Joe Biden by the same number of votes he won it in 2016. Trump is losing Michigan to Joe Biden by 2.5%. He only defeated Hillary by a margin of 0.23% in the 2016 election. There is nothing unusual about the blue shift that tipped Wisconsin and Michigan.

What the hell happened?

This is the result of the Trump presidency and the Kushner strategy:

This is how the electorate shifted between 2016 and 2020:

The red arrows are counties that shifted toward Trump. The blue arrows are the places that shifted toward Biden. Trump performed better in places like South Florida and South Texas which are full of Hispanics. He performed better in the Alabama Black Belt and the Mississippi Delta. Strangely in Alabama, the Wiregrass shifted toward Biden and the Black Belt shifted toward Trump. The Atlanta suburbs shifted toward Biden while Middle Georgia shifted toward Trump. Arkansas shifted redder.

Here is the blue shift in the Philadelphia suburbs:

In Pennsylvania, White men who are college graduates who live in the suburbs are responsible for Joe Biden’s lead in the state.

Here is what happened in Georgia:

The blacker parts of the state moved toward Trump. The whiter parts of the state moved toward Biden. White folks in the Atlanta suburbs moved toward Joe Biden.

BTW, here is Lil Pump/Pimp again:

This is Michigan.

This is devastating:

The current MAGA cope is that the election was stolen by blacks in Detroit. In reality, the White vote shifted to Joe Biden across the state. The greatest movement toward Biden was in the whitest parts of Michigan.

Some other data points to consider:

Niggers stole the election. This is a MAGA cope. If they stole the election, then the result in black areas would be highly unusual but that is not the case. Look at the margins in White areas.

Trump did better with black men and black women. He did better with Hispanics. He did better with Asians. He did better with Mormons, Muslims and Jews. The only group that tanked him was White men. Karens were lying the whole time about voting for Joe Biden at higher rates than Hillary.

The Jared Kushner strategy rested on the assumption that White men were solidly behind Donald Trump due to polarization and had “no place else to go” which flies in the face of the fact that it was disaffected Obama-Trump voters who swung the 2016 election. Thus, they could be safely ignored and taken for granted while Trump relentlessly pandered to other groups. It was arrogance and stupidity. Ever hear the old proverb, “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush”?

How else do you explain what just happened? I would love to hear to it.

Note: Before the 2020 election, we discussed Whexit and the exact scenario which seems to have played out in the exit polls and results.

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  1. Rational says:

    SHAME ON WHITE SCUM WHO VOTED FOR ALZHEIMER’S PATIENT CROOK BIDEN; LEFT WING MEDIA’S TACTIC EXPOSED.

    Your theory may be correct, but I think there is more. First of all, Trump did a good job as President, on a lot of issues, handled Covid-19 well, and he was even better than Reagan.

    Trump’s mistake was he kept forgetting he was President, and he talked to the media too much. He did not realize that the media is his enemy and anything he said to them will be used against him to sway the voters.

    First of all, the liberal media almost never reports anything good a Republican does or says—they only report the bad.

    And the liberal media almost never reports anything bad Democrats do or say—they only report the good. They covered up Biden’s severe Alzheimer’s disease and Hunter’s and his total corruption.

    So every smart Republican must avoid the media like the plague, and simply issue positive press releases when there is positive achievements to report.

    There was a barrage of negative news about Trump daily about what he said on Twitter, what he said to scumbag Woodward, etc. Trump went in the face of the lefty media again and again, instead of avoiding them like the plague, and after every encounter, they played his careless statements on TV/radio, etc. to make him look like a jerk.

    But, the most disgusting scum in the world are white liberals. The lefty politicians insult and abuse whites, traffic in cesspool that will prey on their mothers and sisters, like they are doing in England/Sweden with grooming gangs, behead them like in France, but the white liberal scum keep voting for these mother-selling libanimal politicians like Merkel and Biden.

    Therefore, white liberals have less self-respect than toilet bowl gulping dogs, in my humble opinion.

  2. Good article, I also think there was a big change in the sentiments of older voters as they were bombarded with coronavirus news stories. Now leaving aside the actual lethality of the virus, the fact is Trump didn’t take it seriously or at the very least, he didn’t act like he was taking it seriously adding to the worry of the older voters.

    The Trump phenomenon was interesting, I think the Democrats will win the Senate in 2022 and then will be in the position to finally grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants, thus neutering the GOP in its current form permanently.

  3. AceDeuce says:

    Yes, the pandering to the groids by the dumb fk Chew Toy son in law was idiotic–but, still-Trump is light years better than Joezheimers Biden and that mystery meat [email protected] Harris. WTF?

    • Disagree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @The Real World
    , @WJ
  4. both things are true. Trump ran a bad campaign, but he also won the Electoral College in a close race, which i didn’t expect or anticipate. then Democrats stole it from it, which they had been planning for years. they used the same tactics in 2018.

    jewish intellectuals in the democrat party in coordination with their jewish allies in the television media and internet complex organized and executed the greatest coup in the history of the world here. as always, it had little to do with africans. they are just lackeys. they do what their party bosses tell them to do.

    the attorney general in Michigan is Dana Nessel, a jew. the attorney general in Pennsylvania is Josh Shapiro, a jew. the guy on Fox responsible for calling states was Arnon Mishkin, some random jew i never even heard of, but suddenly, there he was, to help run the media campaign against Trump.

    Hunter talks about this stuff extensively for years on his blog and on twitter, but his blind, burning, almost incomprehensible hatred for Trump and company make him come up with stupid takes.

    the most plausible explanation, a jewish takeover of the country, is what happened. the MAGA people would never talk about that naturally, because they’ve been completely captured psychologically by jews who hate them. but you’d think Hunter could.

    africans didn’t run the no voter ID, ballot harvesting operations. jews did. yeah, useless DMV africans did a lot of the vote counting in the big cities, as they always do. but they just do what their leaders tell them to do.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    , @The Oracle
    , @Albator
  5. GoodTwin says:

    There are simply too many irregularities in this election for me to trust the results. Mail-in voting is inherently fraud prone and has been something the Dems in PA, MI, and elsewhere have been seeking and using to steal elections for many years. I will have to see quite a bit more analysis of the data before I accept this new system of voting that requires me to trust the moral rectitude of thousands of Black women in the Dem machine, fueled by an infusion of 350 million thanks to Zukerberg a couple of months ago. This election stinks.

  6. it’s possible Trump simply lost a close election because he ran a bad campaign. that’s totally believable, going into election day. indeed, that’s what i called for, for about 2 years out. for the Democrat to comfortably win. but that’s not believable after what happened on election day.

    in 2016 this happened:

    Trump won Michigan by only 11,000 votes, yet Michigan was CALLED FOR TRUMP ON ELECTION NIGHT. Trump won Wisconsin by only 23,000 votes, yet Wisconsin was CALLED FOR TRUMP ON ELECTION NIGHT. Trump won Pennsylvania by only 45,000 votes, yet Pennsylvania was CALLED FOR TRUMP ON ELECTION NIGHT.

    something, ahem, rather different happened on election day in 2020. things that have never happened in 200 years of voting.

    Republicans have been nearly AWOL in terms of getting control of election security, other than fighting Democrats tooth and nail over voter ID. they do put up some of a fight there. on other election stuff, they’re comfortable losing gracefully, over and over. even US Supreme Court justices will allow the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which has been acting illegally for a while now since it accrued a Democrat majority, to do stuff like count ballots 3 days after election day.

    a lot of DC Republicans also want Trump gone, so they won’t even say anything. but we’ll see what happens in Georgia later, because Democrats are going to use the same tactics on McConnell’s guys.

  7. If Trump lost the election – massive vote fraud operation not withstanding – it’s his own damned fault. If one is deluded enough to believe the rigged system in the banana-republic which has taken the name of the USA is somehow legitimate, the loss is entirely thanks his adopting Kushner’s wormtongue strategy – one guaranteed to lose. BG has covered this extensively on his own website. Though he at least did not launch a major war with either China, Russia or Iran, Trump has spent much of his first term fellating Jewish donors and pandering to negroes while tossing the whites who put him over the top in 2016 under the Church of Woke’s speeding bus. Tossing the largest segment of your voter base under the bus – be it the Church of Woke’s anti-racist one or Goldman-Sachs Mnunchin’s usury-racketeering model – is not a winning strategy. Many white men stayed home or voted for the Alzheimers-Murikan. He should have followed Steve Sailer’s strategy instead of his me-too denunciations of “white supremacy” (38 times!).

    As for the fraud, the evidence is quite overwhelming that there has indeed been an unprecedented level of fraud. This has been a trend building for some time. There was also massive vote fraud in 2018, even in BG’s home state of Alabama where the D-jerseys literally bused in voters from out of state to put Doug Jones in the senate. The fraud’s expansion is also thanks Trump’s own fecklessness. Instead of spending his days on Twitter, he could have been doing something to clean up the ongoing criminal enterprises in the DOJ, FBI and every other federal agency. Instead, he hired one swamp-creature after another to “drain the swamp”. His latest AG, William Barr, was born, raised and elevated in the swamp – truly a creature ‘of the swamp, by the swamp, and for the swamp’. According the Barr (who did pro-bono legal work for FBI assassin Lon Horiuchi), Epstein hanged himself – something even most of the clueless normies doubt. Yet the MAGA faithful believe that this greasy swamp monster is somehow going to take the drastic action to destroy the swamp because of some secret 666-D chess plan with NSA spooks. I wonder what the “plan” will be if Biden is sworn in on January 20? Will they be tired of “winning” by then?

    As for the q-anon theory, yes the evidence is significant that pedophiles dominate the ruling oligarchy. This is not that much of a surprise if one takes some time to read up on Satanism and the practices thereof, not to mention the Bible. Christ rejected Satan’s offer of world dominion but there have been many men and women who’ve taken it since his rejection. It makes little difference what branch of Satanism is in play, be it Kang Jared and Queen Esther’s Chabad Talmudism or the various Masonic flavors or even flat-out Church of Satan. Crowley provided the shortest summary: “Do what thou wilt.” Pedo activity is the highest form of Satanic worship and does seem to be the required ticket to be elevated to great levels of wealth and power. (Did Trump take the ticket himself?) So if Biden is sworn in on January 20 by Roberts (on the Lolita express passenger list) he will be the next pedophile to preside over the banana-republic (it’s very unlikely he’s the first). There are many others worldwide of course, with even a Pedo-Pope now ruling over the sad wreck of Catholicism. (This was inevitable with the apostasy of Vatican II).

    Solzhenitsyn’s ‘old ones’ were correct: When the question was asked “Why has all of this (disaster) happened?” the old ones would answer “Men have forgotten God, that’s why all of this has happened”. Like the USSR, the Rotten Banana Empire will one day collapse under the weight of its own evil and corruption. Today, when the (((fake news))), designated the senile old pedophile as its president-elect, happens to be the 103rd anniversary of the disaster which Solzhenitsyn referred to. Given his decrepit state, Biden will likely be removed soon after assuming office. The Hindoo-Dindoo is the one who the overlords want to stamp the Orwellian boot onto the white man’s face forever. She’ll do it gladly too.

  8. Anon[226] • Disclaimer says:

    I think at least part of the decline in white male support this time around is simple reversion to the mean.

    In 2016, Trump ran against Hillary, who is unique in being almost universally disliked or loathed by white men. Anyone who grew up or lived through the 90s remembers how she became a national figure and household name during that decade and an entire industry on talk radio and other media based on hating her developed. And not just right wingers and conservatives, but centrist and left leaning white men generally disliked or loathed her. White men can’t stand Hillary.

    This time around, without Hillary, at least some of the white male vote reverted back.

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
    , @Art
    , @AceDeuce
  9. g8way says:

    Exit Polls

    The people who didn’t want to say they were voting for Trump didn’t have some magical transformation when they walked out of the booth. Of course the exit polls upon which all this analysis is based are going to be heavily skewed by the same phenomenon. Would a college-educated white man or white woman be dumb enough to come out of the booth and say they voted for Trump?

    I don’t think so.

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    , @Kronos
    , @Rosie
  10. Mr. Anon says:

    (Republished from Occidental Dissent by permission of author or representative)

    This isn’t a MAGA website.

    If you are still reading this website, you are probably not one of these people.

    Although there is a good chance that you are a neo-nazi flat-earther who’s cowering in his house on account of the ‘rona.

    I guess your savior Andrew Yang didn’t come through for you, huh?

    You OD guys have beclowned yourselves.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Haxo Angmark
  11. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    First of all, Trump did a good job as President, on a lot of issues, handled Covid-19 well, and he was even better than Reagan.

    No, he didn’t. That’s only true if you’re into the black helicopter crowd who were all saying it’s a hoax. “It’s just the flu, bro.” Well, Covid-19 was the single most important issue for voters, especially seniors, and Trump’s approval on that subject is abysmal. Seniors cost him Arizona and possibly at least one other state. Game over in a tight election. You guys on this website railed against Covid-19 (and “face diapers”) for months, saying seniors needed to die for the economy so you can get a hamburger and “live your lives”, and Trump picked up on that messaging and started repeating it. It cost him the election. Apparently, Seniors don’t think they should die because some 4chan ‘sperg thinks they’re dead wood. This was the hill you wanted to die on. You got your wish. The election fraud thing is just a cope to avoid admitting that.

  12. Hey brad, YOU claim “niggers in Detroit” stole it. Haven’t heard any MAGA or other right leaning outlets claim that. Do your jewish masters and woke colleagues know you talk like this? Stop projecting. Democrats and jews are the original slavers, KKK and present day racists. Even blacks and Hispanics get it.

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  13. Wally says:
    @GoodTwin

    said:
    “There are simply too many irregularities in this election for me to trust the results.”

    Indeed.
    And note that the author here, Griffin, cites, yep, CNN statistics and other sources for which we have no way of confirming.
    In fact, those who are trying to steal the election by implanting false numbers have necessarily made any other supposedly derived election numbers fraudulent.

    In 30 states, a computer system known to be ‘defective’ is tallying votes: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/in_30_states_a_computer_system_known_to_be_defective_is_tallying_votes.html
    Rundown of every single election fraud red flag: https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @SC Rebel
  14. The author’s dislike for Mr. Kushner is the only accurate assumption he makes, and we all know that proceeding from false assumptions leads to false conclusions.

    Saying that MAGA blames blacks for the fraud is ludicrous, as we all know Trump increased his share of the black vote and the fraud is taking place in areas controlled mostly by white liberals. Nice try with the race card, but MAGA knows that any blacks involved are so because they are Democrats, not because they are black.

    The other false assumption is assuming that the voting data is legit in the face of plentiful and increasing evidence of fraud – poll watchers excluded, 4AM ballot dumps, computer “glitches” all favoring one party, backdating ballots, etc.

    As the saying goes, if you torture the data long enough it will confess to anything. And, if you torture false data, it will confess only falsehoods.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @anon
  15. Wally says:
    @g8way

    said:
    “Of course the exit polls upon which all this analysis is based are going to be heavily skewed by the same phenomenon.”

    Bingo!

    As if the same people, media mob, who altered and / or supported the fake ballot numbers would give accurate exit poll numbers.

    I don’t think so.

  16. Massive fraud.

    The election was not legitimate.

    And I had given up on Trump long ago for his failures on immigration…..

    still, I felt he’d be better than Biden so I voted for him.

    There is simply no way Biden got that many votes….90/100% turnouts in districts where the norm is 65%……100% of mail ins going to Biden…..more votes than registered voters…..more votes than Obama…..pathetic campaign…..Biden sat in the basement because he knew the fix was in.

    Trump had huge rallies and massive support even if he did lose a few whites for pandering to non-whites.

    He pissed me off for sure but I still voted for him because Biden/Harris are scum.

    There are far too many red flags and irregularities to believe the election was fair. The color revolution theory makes sense to me. The jews saw Trump as an autocrat….faked polls to favor Biden…..prepared their army of Antifa/BLM scum to riot…..sent out a zillion mail in ballots that have no verification……readied an army of lawyers to fight, etc.etc.etc.

    Yes, Kushner is a little cunt and he’s taken a lot of heat….but Trump isn’t stupid…..he chose to suck up to non-whites and neglect his white base. I agree with that totally but I do not think that explains his “loss” because I do not think he actually lost…..I think the numbers are sheer bullshit.
    Trump won the election and they are trying to steal it.

  17. It was Jews weaponizing covid that really did it..

  18. Everything you say is still far too early to call. What does it mean that the MSM declared themselves the official appointed people to declare the winner of an election? NOTHING. That’s right. Just because they say they can, doesn’t mean they can. Why does everyone fall for this illusion? The law is the law. Every legal ballot will be counted and the real winner will prevail. If there’s vote fraud it will be uncovered. Twitter, MSNBC, CNN etc. can’t declare a winner and make it binding. They can mislead their viewers, make people very very upset if things are ultimately different than they expected but they have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY. Quite honestly, it’s pretty obvious there was significant fraud. Give the law a chance to work.

    Just because they declared Trump was a Russian agent, didn’t make him a traitor to his country or a Russian agent. Mueller later admits he had ZERO evidence. Over three years of hysteria for nothing.

    Similarly, just because the MSM declares Biden the winner doesn’t mean he is. He’s probably not and you just need to avoid making baseless pronouncements of your own. Wait and give justice a chance to work. There’s a long time between now and January 20th. Just remember people making up a hoax and lying doesn’t overturn reality. Fake votes don’t win elections, only real votes. Someone is going to get the record straight like Mueller did and people will be pissed, It’s their problem, not ours.

  19. Let the roundup begin. Make America Clean Again.

  20. @AceDeuce

    that mystery meat [email protected] Harris.

    That’s funny! My names for them are:
    Joe = The Corpse
    Kommie-la = The Bought-off Marxist

    I agree with this comment made by Cyclops, below.

    Given his decrepit state, Biden will likely be removed soon after assuming office. The Hindoo-Dindoo is the one who the overlords want to stamp the Orwellian boot onto the white man’s face forever. She’ll do it gladly too.

    Horrible people, both of them are. My country is lost.

    • Replies: @dimples
  21. Simple explanation: old white guys voted for Biden because he didn’t handle the covid pandemic very well. The same thing would have happened to Boris Johnson if he had been up for election this year. In my country (New Zealand) normally level-headed conservative males went silly and voted for a WASP version of AOC, just because her government did okay at containing the virus (an easy job for an island nation with a highly centralised government).

    People do silly things in pandemics.

  22. Flubber says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    A couple of things to note.

    All this talk of Donald Trump doing nothing. How do you know? Because we’re still in the early stages of the fight and the media have declared its over?

    You note the rampant fraud of 2018. You dont think PDJT noticed? So what do you do? Watch them do it again.

    But this time you collect irrefutable evidence. When your subsequent legal appeal appears before SCOTUS you lay it out. Audits are ordered etc. Illegal votes are removed. Then we see how the numbers are.

    Why did the count stop at 2am only for enormous numbers to suddenly appear at 4am? Because this is when the computers were updated. But because contrary to the moaning minnies on this page, Trump got the largest amount of votes ever , only beaten by Biden ludicrous numbers, the cheaters have had to invent huge numbers of fake votes. Now we have the situation where the computer numbers don’t match the number of paper ballots. This is how you get 90% turnout in Wisconsin.

    So you gather the evidence that this happened.

    So I expect Trump to win once the numbers are corrected.

    But you now have evidence of an organised coup and conspiracy. Fire up those RICO charges.

    There are simply too many people being beaten into submission by the shitty media.

    Its simple. Stop poising yourself with it. Be patient. Because the fat lady isn’t singing yet.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @profnasty
    , @Drew
  23. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a Copium-270 leak over in the comments section of Vox Day’s website:

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/11/fake-news-proclaims-fake-president.html#comment-form

    How sweet when their apparent Victory turns into Total Crushing Defeat.

    Trump isn’t going to back down because that will get him and his family killed. The left won’t back down because trying to back down gets you attacked by other leftists.

    This means things will escalate until force is applied with the losing faction getting its members executed. Since Trump isn’t insane and the left has spent the last century pissing on the military, he will probably win.

    At this point he will declare that he is going to restore the Republic and the end result will be “Trump as Augustus”. Normies will call it a democracy but future historians will date it as the foundation of the Trump dynasty.

    Donal Trump the Great Revealer

    Victory will be sweet if the left thinks they won and then have it yanked from them by the courts

    One of them wakes up … sorta:

    So what happened to Qanon’s 50,000+ indictments? Wouldn’t now be a good time to serve them, if they freaking exist?

    Vox Day is demanding Trump declare martial law and invoke the 14th Amendment to become the next Julius Caesar. Lol.

    14th Amendment = The Rubicon

    It is now time for President Trump to metaphorically cross the Rubicon by invoking the Constitutional powers invested in him by the 14th Amendment.

    Biden and Pelosi are far less capable leaders than Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, a brilliant military general who was celebrated in no less than three triumphs, and far less popular. The American people are with President Trump. The law is on his side. The Constitution is on his side. And justice is on his side. #CrossTheRubicon.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/11/14th-amendment-rubicon.html

    I predicted we’d have to talk this guy off his ledge after the election.

  24. Tdstype2 says:
    @Rational

    Lol, over 200k dead, world#1 in covid cases and “ handled covid well”…
    Way to go.

  25. One county already flipped for Trump (6000 extra votes) in MI because the tabulating software had a ‘glitch’.. a software used in 47 counties.

    I don’t see why we can’t have a debate on fraud in this election. Last election, the left screamed blue murder that every vote for Trump came straight from Putin’s mouse click, beginning the full delegitimisation of the already shoddy voting process. It led to the Russiagate coup, delegitimising the peaceful hand over of power. For 3 years the left screamed 2016 was rigged, with 0 verifiable evidence.

    Now, not a single vote for Biden may dare be disputed – it’s a democracy after all!

    I’ve always said Trump is imperfect, mostly for being a bad manager – which in his position is a critical failure, but the polar opposite approach to election integrity that is being seen from the left between 2016 and 2020 is going to be enough by itself to commit the conservatives to believe the system is unfair. And at this point that’s enough to push them down the road to civil war.

    I personally thought that if Trump won civil war would break out almost straight away, I didn’t think that a Biden win would bring it about as quickly, since conservatives tend to be less revolution prone, but it’s not looking great atm!

  26. Flubber says:

    Election Summary Report for Gwinnet County, Georgia.
    Total Population: 936,250
    Total Registered Voters: 581,467
    Voter Participation: 408,268 (70.21%)
    Ballots Cast?

    811,836.

    1.36 ballots per registered voter.
    1.99 ballots per participating voter.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/slavtrapgod/status/1325301932408229889

    • Thanks: Thomasina
  27. GMC says:

    This Election was a perfect example of what America has become. A dog eat dog society that has Zero Class , and even less morals with No honor left – anywhere. Dissect it anyway you wish – It’s going to be a very very hard lesson to learn from – that is If there’s anybody left – to teach or comprehend.

  28. Abbybwood says:
    @Anon

    With $500 million being poured into the two Georgia Senate run-offs January 5th, there is a distinct probability the Democrats will take the majority in the Senate thus giving a lock on The Biden Harris wet dream of packing The Supreme Court which will legally neuter ACB. They will make Puerto Rico and D.C. states which will add four New Democrats to the Senate and several more Democrat Reps to the house.

    They will lock us down again and try to eliminate the Electoral College making it the east and west coast liberals who will choose our president for decades.

    We can expect more shenanigans in the Senate races in January 2021.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  29. Blubb says:

    Come on. There was voter fraud on a MASSIVE scale.

    Yeah, Kushner is a dumb kike, and Trump is dumb for taking his advice.

    Yet, the reality is that the voter fraud was yuge, and if people don’t go to prison on a massive scale, then everyone who is sane must admit: the US is no longer a democracy.

    • Replies: @Katrinka
  30. Tucker says:

    The white men who failed to vote for Trump in this election are incapable of grasping the concept of ‘Incrementalism’.

    How do you think the Frankfurt School’s virulently anti-White Cultural Marxists managed to achieve the success that they have achieved since the 1960s? These subversive termites did not go full bore and try to shove their anti-White, anti-Western agenda down the throats of an America that, at the time, was still almost 90% White European. Instead, they began their steady ‘march through the institutions’ using stealth tactics – relying on incrementalism. One tiny step at a time, so as to not alert their target of destruction – White Americans.

    Trump is not the savior of White America – he proved that over the last 4 years. But, he was a step in the right direction and these White males who were not 100 percent satisfied by his performance while in office lack the intelligence and patience that is necessary for TeamWhite during this fight for our very survival.

    Our objective is to make sure that the Trumpism – populism, nationalism, rejection of globalism, rejection of massive third world immigration into the USA, and a cessation of fighting endless wars for Israel’s sole benefit – these concepts must not be dumped by the GOP. If a Republican politician starts spouting globalism – or supporting amnesty – or calling for more wars – he or she needs to be thrown OUT of office as soon as possible and replaced by a Trumpist candidate.

    Brad Griffin is an extremely low IQ, dangerously clueless, checkers playing retard who is too stupid to comprehend the strategy of the anti-White enemy and he thinks he can throw a hissy fit and somehow boost the amount of respect that other pro-White people have for him?

    It is due to sanctimonious morons like him that the White race is in the existential crisis situation we now find ourselves in. These ‘absolutists’ and ‘purists’ are going to be the death of our race of people.

    • Agree: Zarathustra, Flubber
    • Replies: @Lol
    , @RoatanBill
    , @SC Rebel
  31. @Rational

    that will prey on their mothers and sisters

    Their sons and brothers would do well to look after them, then.

    Perhaps less of them would go astray.

  32. The author makes the mistake of overestimating himself and resorting to clumsy caricature the likes of which his kind resort to so often. Bad form. Dial it back a few notches.

    As for the crude picture, I’ve never seen it till just now.

  33. Kronos says:
    @g8way

    Polling might very be dead regardless.

  34. Gordo says:

    The only group that tanked him was White men.

    Trump ‘forgot Goschen’. His Damien lookalike son-in-law told him White Men had nowhere else to go but excluded mentioning the possibility they might just stay home.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, Katrinka
  35. Hegar says:

    Brad Griffin is a leftist who has turned against immigration, and here he sees his chance of making Unz readers turn away from the GOP. We have always criticized the GOP, and also Trump, but we also know that the resistance against mass immigration is on the Right. Brad Griffin hopes to disconnect Unz readers from the Right.

    He sees his chance now after the election steal, when he knows many weak-minded people will want to say “Trump deserved to lose!” so they don’t have to feel they are on the losing side.

    But those of us who followed the election know there was enormous election fraud. Trump had a secure lead all day and then Brad Griffin’s fellow leftists just stopped the count. In swing states with Democrat governors. In the swing state Florida, with a Republican governor, the counting was done quickly, as usual. Not in the other states.

    “Time to rest,” the Blacks in charge claimed. But they didn’t rest. They returned at 3.30 AM – to receive 38,000 new votes in Detroit, for example, from a truck marked with the name of the Black female city clerk Janice Winfrey.

    In Michigan, 140,000 ballots in a row went to Biden.

    The Google search for “election fraud punishment” surged in PA, MI and AZ the days before the election. Funnily, exactly the states where fraud was the Biden vote suddenly jumped in the middle of the night.

    The vote increase in Wisconsin was 5.5 standard deviations above the average in the last twelve elections. This is a statistical impossibility. It would happen less than once in a billion times.

    Biden received more votes than senators in the Democrat-controlled swing states.

    The GOP made huge gains down-ballot. But still lost the presidential vote? This is completely unheard of.

    Trump received a higher share of the Black and Latino vote across the country – except in the large cities like Atlanta and Detroit in these swing states.

    Even simple tweets by people in Maricopa in Arizona, who confirm that they were given markers to fill out ballots, get warning labels. You then have to click through the warning label in order to be able to retweet. This is to suppress retweets, and to intimidate the people who own the accounts. In Maricopa, there were reports that ballots where the marker “bled through” to the other side of the ballot would be discarded. This after people in the White conservative county were told to only use markers, not pens.

    There are many more discrepancies. But Brad Griffin doesn’t want you to know that. Neither do his leftist allies at Twitter, who will censor tweets.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @Lol
    , @Garliv
    , @Anon
  36. Rosie says:
    @g8way

    . Would a college-educated white man or white woman be dumb enough to come out of the booth and say they voted for Trump?

    I don’t think so.

    Good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

  37. By the way, there have already been observations elsewhere on the fact that White men supported Trump less than before. Not a revelation.

    I had no idea if he would lose White men prior to the election, but I thought it a possibility. I’d see him stand up there at rallies in front of a massive sea of White people and he’d start bragging about all the shit he’d done for Blacks, Hispanics, and Women, but nary a mention of White men.

    And what’s with his hangouts with Kanye West? Saying he’s the least racist person in the room. And the Platinum Plan? Is this shit why we elected you, chief?

    I guarantee that no White men were thrilled to hear about blacks being let out of jail. The more blacks in jail, the better. They need to be kept where less of them can procreate. If I were POTUS, I find out which crimes black women were good at and increase the penalties for those, so we could lock up the breeders.

  38. Quite possible. If true, why didn’t White men turn out for Trump in the same numbers?

    Did they defect because they didn’t like his style and believed the media scorn? Hard to believe they would’ve voted for him the first time. Or were they upset that a wall hadn’t been built and millions of illegals kicked out?

    It’s hard for me to believe any implicitly pro-White person thinks Biden was the right choice. Rather, it would mean some just weren’t motivated to go vote.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  39. anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    Who are the people who called Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn on election night?

  40. meamjojo says:

    What is truly depressing is that Biden was only able to win the presidency because of Covid-19. If it wasn’t for the virus, it appears likely that Biden/Harris would have wound up a distant second to Trump in both the popular vote and the electoral count.

    The Democratic establishment picked a 3-legged horse to ride home on as we saw Biden’s impressive pre-election polling numbers vaporize once the vote counts started coming in. This shows the folly of allowing the political establishment to offer up the same tired politicians and rhetoric. The public was not looking for the same-old, same-old politician.

    Their choice of Harris as Biden’s VP was equally unimpressive. If Harris takes over for Biden sometime in the next two years, will she have the right stuff to prevent the Republican candidate from reclaiming the WH in 2024? Time will tell.

    All-in-all, Biden/Harris was possibly the most disappointing choice the Democratic establishment could have put forth against the worst president in modern times, a president who was not only impeached but was an admitted criminal sexual assaulter, a failed businessman, a tax and business cheat and a compulsive liar among so many more negative adjectives.

    And yet, nearly 50% of American voters STILL embraced Trump for a 2nd four-year term as leader of the USA while Biden barely eked out a victory. SAD!

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @Bill Jones
  41. TamJam says:

    Exit polls are restricted to in-person voting. Karens are not going to risk Covid. Exit polls are pretty much useless this year because of Republicans over-indexing and Democrats, and especially Karens, under-indexing on in-person voting, in addition to the “shy Trump voter” factor.

  42. Shaman911 says:

    If you think in any way, shape or form. THIS IS OVER, YOU AIN’T SEEN SHIT YET.

    • Agree: PhilK
  43. slorter says:

    Biden wins Trump wins it is very much the same!

    When farcical US elections are held, we the people have no say over who serves in high office or how the nation is run.
    The nation’s founders designed things this way, creating governance of, by, and for “the rich, well-born and able,” as John Adams explained.
    Behind the scenes dark forces decide things. It’s been this way from inception.

    In another 4 years America will be presented with another circus ! Yawn!!!!!

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @HeebHunter
  44. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Anonymous"] says:

    Tucker Carlson said it unequivocally on his show about a week ago, “THE MEDIA IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, IT’S YOUR ENEMY.” I am Dr. Charles Fhandrich but can not post under my name. Don’t ask me why.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  45. Art says:
    @Anon

    In 2016, Trump ran against Hillary, who is unique in being almost universally disliked or loathed by white men.

    Agree —- Hillary is out and out hate-able. Her “deplorable” statement defeated her. Biden does not generate the same disgust.

  46. sally says:
    @Rational

    I agree Trump’s mistake was talking.. .. because the anti Trump media used Trump words to defeat Trump?

    Trump did not really make a mistake.. He was just in over his head..and I think he meant well. He did not understand the power structure that surrounds the privately owned White House and controls the USA is not the American people <= its special interest, oligarchs, foreign interest, and monopoly powers vested in mega sized international and domestic corporations <=each of whom expected to be able to use the USA to accomplish their private purposes. .

    Trump tried to be an FDR without the experience or the international contacts so he did not know when to shut up.. or who his words were offensive to.

    Trump relied on other people because he just did not know enough to think for himself..

    Trump got an education in this election, but likely flunked the final exam.. My guess is Kushner had more to do with Trump's political demise than any other soul on earth..but only history will be able to sort that out ?

  47. Miro23 says:

    Thanks for a nicely presented set of data.

    The Jared Kushner strategy rested on the assumption that White men were solidly behind Donald Trump due to polarization and had “no place else to go”…

    So they (working class whites) made a giant effort to support him in 2016 for what exactly?

    4 years smooching around with the New York elite, a full set of “swamp” appointments, abandoning his 2016 election team and MIGA rather than MAGA – giving Israel and the corporate sector/Wall St all the support and favours. So basically a bait and switch guy who sold out, and no surprise they pulled their support.

    Trump ignored his base while electioneering – directing it at blacks and latinos. The latino move towards the Republicans is interesting (as a group they’re not woke) but overall it looks right that Kushner’s strategy failed. Taking your partner for granted is the route to divorce (assuming that Kushner was ever any kind of genuine partner in the first place).

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
  48. Exit Polls

    The people who didn’t want to say they were voting for Trump didn’t have some magical transformation when they walked out of the booth. Of course the exit polls upon which all this analysis is based are going to be heavily skewed by the same phenomenon. Would a college-educated white man or white woman be dumb enough to come out of the booth and say they voted for Trump?

    I don’t think so.

    Precisely. I think a sliver of the people who voted Trump in 2016 simply passed away. In Georgia and the Midwest, this was enough to deliver a slim majority to Biden.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Mr. Anon
  49. Stogumber says:

    Trump didn’t get more Blacks or Hispanics by cowing to them. Het got them by impressing them. (The only people he cowed to were tribalist Jews.)
    Now what’s with Whites? White suburbians are the last people still trustful and dependent on the mainstream media. In 2016 Trump could take the white suburbs by surprise, but he couldn’t keep those white suburbs because he couldn’t and didn’t cow to the media. On the other hand, the media (and suburbs) are now and only now impressed by Trump’s success with Non-Whites. Insofar the Kushner strategy was correct, only its results came too late.
    Trump could have done more for the white workers, but that is not the problem here. As for the suburbians one mustn’t pander to them, one must impress them.

    • Replies: @Lol
  50. Altai says:

    Tom Brady destroyed America by breaking up with Ivanka.

    • LOL: Katrinka
  51. @Wally

    The pollsters are funded by the MSM. They and the MSM hacks are there to do their masters’ bidding, not give accurate poll figures or faithfully record differences of opinion. Most Trump voters and real Conservatives would refuse to cooperate with them and would regard them as enemies. And they would be right.

  52. @Tdstype2

    You people continue to post that outright falsehood.
    The USA isn’t nearly the worst in deaths per capita.
    If you’d paid attn in school you’d understand that.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  53. Carlos22 says:

    All those young people that voted Biden. Better get used to lock down.

    No more parties, meeting up with friends, getting laid.

    No part time work in the local restaurant/ bar no income. Uni Life shit and not worth the huge loan.

    Long weeks maybe months stuck at parents home no where to go no money ENJOY 😊

    • Thanks: Jim Bob Lassiter
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  54. Gordo says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Precisely. I think a sliver of the people who voted Trump in 2016 simply passed away. In Georgia and the Midwest, this was enough to deliver a slim majority to Biden.

    Loads of people who passed away, sometimes decades ago, turned out to vote for Biden.

    • LOL: Majority of One
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Johann Ricke
  55. In Utah, the Mormon cucks who voted for Evan McMullin in 2016 came home to Trump.

    One gathers that you dislike Mormons.

    That’s all right. This absurd anti-“hatred” era in which we live teaches one to respect the principle of dislike, only I find it curious that Mormons should be your target. Their religion is (in my opinion) a mess, but their collective conduct seldom affords great cause for complaint. The worst I can say about them is that they pretend to be less nepotistic than they are, but that’s hardly the world’s greatest fault.

    Otherwise, good article.

    • Replies: @Plato's Dream
  56. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone who hasn’t figured out the blatant fraud is a moron or a shill

    • Agree: PhilK
  57. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump was an outsider. The deep state won. There’s never been such a relentless, full-spectrum media propaganda campaign against a president such as this. Americans are mostly dumb media creatures, especially the ignorant young who are infantile consumers of Facebook and other twaddle. Corporations such as Apple poured hundreds of millions into BLM and other front groups. And don’t forget the massive terror campaign in the streets. Capitalist globalism has retaken the presidency.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  58. Whitewolf says:

    Trump ran an ok campaign considering his opponent and the current situation with covid hysteria. Sure he threw Whites under the bus during his presidency but he did it way less than other cuckservatives would have. It may have even lost him a lot of votes had he been up against a competent opponent. Apart from Richard Spencer I can’t see that many White men disillusioned with Trump would actually vote for Biden.

    This election was simply banana republic tier fraudulent regardless of any mistakes Trump has made. That said it seems that TPTB wanted mass hysteria and tension between opposing sides. The way Trump warned about mail in ballots weeks ago(yet did little to counter it). The way Hillary said that Biden should not concede no matter what. The way the counting stopped on election night in swing states. Obvious and blatant spikes in Biden votes appearing overnight. Blatant and infuriating censorship and flagging by social media with clear anti-cuckservative bias. It’s like someone wanted maximum tension and division in the new Banana States of America.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  59. How else do you explain what just happened?

    It’s simple really, both sides manufactured votes via the machines both sides had constructed to do exactly that – the electronic voting machines.

    Although the focus was on the paper ballots, the action happened electronically because there is no audit trail on those machines that can’t also be manipulated. This article assumes that the votes were cast by the groups indicated. There’s no way to know this since every vote could have been manipulated by the programming on the machines or thereafter.

    The entire voting process is now independent of voters. Voters are only needed to show a stream of bodies roaming in and out of poling places. The votes are manufactured by the deep state to anoint their winner.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  60. Jay Fink says:
    @meamjojo

    Biden was probably the best choice the Democrats could have made, especially of the Dems running in the primary this year. I say that as a Trump voter. No other Dem could have gotten this high % of white male voters or steal old whites away from Trump. Harris on top of the ticket would have lost and so would Mayor Pete. Trump would have successfully scared voters away from Socialist Bernie Sanders.

    Do you remember a couple of months ago Biden said “You know me, do I look like a radical Socialist”? Trump fans laughed at that but it was effective. He was easily able to sell himself as a moderate even if he probably won’t govern as one.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  61. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flubber

    Its simple. Stop poising yourself with it. Be patient. Because the fat lady isn’t singing yet.

    The fat lady has just come on stage.

    The Democrats are urban, and the cities are failing. See https://www.takimag.com/article/the-day-the-music-died/ for a subjective account of NYC that reduces the economic failure to street level experience.

    Stealing an election on the level demonstrated on 2020/11/03 is a desperation move at best.

    Trump has been anticipating massive vote fraud, and preparing to counter it, as Flubber says. The only remaining question is just what the Supreme Court will eventually rule.

    If the Supreme Court invalidates or attempts to rectify the 2020 Federal elections (yes, all of them), then the US system will retain some level of legitimacy. If not, legitimacy will be lost. Loss of legitimacy will make it impossible to supply the cities even at their present level of poverty. As in the latter stages of the USSR, money will be diverted to local politically determined use, and even less of it will reach the street level of the Democratic coalition. The Democratic Party base will be lost.

    It is quite possible that the urban riots presumably ensuing from a Supreme Court decision that does not invalidate or attempt to rectify the 2020 Federal elections would also destroy the Democratic Party’s base.

    As for those posts saying that Trump failed, note that prior to the halt called to voting Trump had not lost, but had built substantial leads. Note also the Democratic Party losses in the House of Representatives and the Democratic Party failure to win the Senate. This has been described as a bone thrown to the Republicans. It was, IMHO, more likely a simple inability of the Democratic Party’s assets to steal more than one Federal office given the substantial lead of the Republican Party candidates and the limited time available to execute the theft. This time limitation resulted in a very poor job of theft, a job that left many traces in its audit trail: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/correia-fkery-afoot

    Implications:
    Flubber has captured the true situation. I add that the Democrats are no longer even trying to win, they are just trying to delay their loss. The two possible possible near term outcomes are both fairly dire — loss of the cities in the United States is dire, whatever causes it — but much less so if Trump prevails. Long term, the West is reorganizing itself again, a new organization will emerge (for example, Germany will finally dominate Europe, albeit a much less influential Europe than was the case in 1910, say). As usual, the reorganization will be something that nobody pre-reorganization would have tolerated.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  62. I’ve been trying to tell the Unz readers this ad nauseam. College educated whites see through the ruse. I’m a white, post-graduate degree holder who voted for Trump in 2016 as a firm rejection of Hillary Clinton. I work in China, so I had no obligations from the woke scolds who occupy the University system in the States, no niggers who would come burn down my house if they learned I voted Trump.

    After 4 years of patiently observing this cuck bend the knee to Israel, abandon his friends, liberate his enemies and allow every Democrat to gaslight him into COVID tyranny in March, I knew exactly what to do. I took a train to the US embassy in Beijing from Dalian and voted for Joesph Robinette Biden. And several GOP politicians downballot.

    That vote was collected and applied to Dane County, Wisconsin where I own my late mother’s home.

    On the way back to the train station, I whistled the star-spangled-banner.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @chet roman
  63. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    1. Never Trumpers are not in lockstep on downballot elections

    2. I know many members of Gen Z who voted against Trump, put the ballot in the machine, and went home. This is naturally because they are 18/19 years old and have no political formation apart from that. After which they went home to play video games on their phone or watch tiktok.

  64. Smith says:

    Brad is right, but this is by design.

    One look at Kushner and you can see where it’s going.

    Oh well, with the downfall of Trump, maybe the right can get down and become more realistic again.

  65. White Christian liberals are physically afraid of the black penis… no wonder they voted for their mammy Harris.

  66. Icy Blast says:

    I could have lived without seeing Kushner’s triumphant smirk again.

  67. Ugetit says:

    Didn’t read past the first few paragraphs or past the first few comments. I can’t believe people spend so much time and energy obsessing over morons, right, left, center, and extremes.

    UR has turned to *bleep*. Enough of this crap already!

  68. AKindle says:

    Thank God no more BS rallies from trump. After his first four or five I realized he was lying to his white constituents…couldn’t watch anymore. He needs to retire and hang out with his homies in Baltimore or with his rapper friends in Michigan.

  69. Lol says:
    @Tucker

    Trump didn’t increment anything, he governed like a garden variety cuck with different rhetoric.

  70. Arnieus says:
    @prime noticer

    Trump ran a bad campaign?? Biden didn’t run a campaign at all.

  71. Lol says:
    @Stogumber

    Trump didn’t do anything for those people for the duration of an entire term. He built three miles of fences, cut taxes on his buddies and appointed some judges and took credit for Obama’s bubble economy continuing. Hardly anything to be excited about.

  72. Worthless article. It was clear from the day after the 2016 election that the political establishment, both Republicans and Democrats, would do everything in the power to dump Trump. The level of hostile invective against Trump never ceased, and this propaganda offensive now appears to have succeeded. Why have nominal Republicans like Jeb and Mitt rushed to congratulate Biden? Because Trump upset the apple cart. Jeb was supposed to be the Republican candidate, and thus the country would remain under the control of the duopoly no matter who won that year. Biden is a puppet, a useful idiot in Lenin’s usage.

    • Agree: PhilK
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  73. Arnieus says:
    @alt right moderate

    “Old white guys” voted for Biden because they are mentally stuck in the 1960s and oblivious to the globalist threat to the Republic.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  74. Lol says:
    @Hegar

    What, are you upset the US is no longer ruled by an openly Israel first president?

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
    , @Flubber
  75. Emslander says:

    The obvious response is that Trump was a weak President who spent too much time defending his seriously twisted ego from non-existent floating phantasma, but would have been re-elected, except for massive uncoordinated reflex cheating by Democrat governors.

  76. Garliv says:
    @Hegar

    Agreed. It’s patently dishonest for anyone who followed vote counting unfolding to claim there was absolutely no fraud. At least he should accept there are seemingly credible concerns on the integrity of the electoral system that need to addressed.
    Then what is it with Mainstream Media declaring Joe Biden as President-elect while in PA there is a lawsuit in progress? There is a declared recount in GA? In Arizona its far from settled? In Michigan a system glitch was discovered that somehow gave thousands of votes to Biden that were meant for Trump? And GOP there seek recount in 47 counties that used similar software?
    It looks there’s a well choreographed plan to shame Trump into conceding without seeking legal redress which he’s entitled to seek if he so chooses.
    It stinks!

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  77. The covid is indeed a hoax–meaning it’s a real thing but in no way a pandemic, not with a 99% recovery rate and only 6% of reported covid deaths from covid-alone.

    To those believing there was no significant, results-altering voter/election fraud, I have a Bed Bath & Beyond coupon for you: 15% off your purchase of the Brooklyn Bridge.

    • Agree: Emslander, Druid
  78. European says:

    Trump is out. Yet not much will change in the US. I am still waiting for a sane presidential candidate. Someone that promises to cut the military budget by at least 50 percent and start paying of your enormous debt. Someone siding with the middle and working class. It would be very easy for the US to have the same public health care systems as in Europe if you just stopped wasting money on the military industrial complex and wars abroad. You should defund the military and bring your troops back home and start focusing on building american infrastructure instead. The US should also normalize its realationship with Israel. Threat them like any other nation. Do not support Israel in its criminal actions against the palestinians.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @ConqueringFools
  79. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Lets just discount all the stories coming out about voter fraud. Amazing this story coincides with the MSM lies about Biden allegedly winning.
    Does anyone know how many times Twaddle & FAKEBOOK banned or censored Joe Biden rants? Let me guess at that number, ZERO.

    Military Ballots Found in the Trash in PA, All Were Trump Votes

    https://trends.gab.com/item/5fa3fe86e3cce63224c522d2

    Temporary contractor threw Trump mail-in ballots in trash, Pennsylvania county officials say

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/temporary-contractor-threw-trump-mail-ballots-trash-pennsylvania/story?id=73251533

    Arizona Voters File Suit to Restore Their Ballots Cancelled Over Sharpies

    https://trends.gab.com/item/5fa3ed5cd4322adc31c977f4

    Some rancid assholes are wanting people who voted for Trump to just STFU and bend over for President Harris.

    Joe Biden Says Democrats Created ‘The Most Extensive And Inclusive Voter Fraud Organization’ In American History

  80. The cheat would have been impossible if Trump had’t lost a small percentage of white male vote. It is as simple as that. Kushner has been responsible for starting points for most of Trump’s problems, and that is ultimately on Trump. But hey, Jared got peace deals for Israel where there were no wars ever .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You OD guys have beclowned yourselves.

    MAGA’tard: Trumpslide cometh!

    OD: No Trumpslide coming.

    Election: Biden wins.

    MAGA’tard: Man, you OD guys really beclowned yourselves.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  82. Sean says:

    Joe Biden won 43% of the White vote (the same share Obama won in 2008) and the 2020 election.

    That hardly suggests that Biden’s white voters are anti black enough to abandon Trump over his pandering to blacks. When Biden ceaselessly repeated that Trump had called neo-Nazis and KKK ‘fine people’, that was hardly because he was worried about the black vote. Biden surely was battering away at what he had been told was a weak point: his people had identified the allegation as one that could hurt Trump with whites. And it did, with white men. Women are adapted to enduring suffering, they are more stoic and more relentless. Trump increased his vote among white women.

    Women are much tougher and more calculating than men. I relate better to women (Trump, NYT, 9/19/99)

    Men are brave in the moment of attack but they are also prone to give ground under pressure. The mainstream media got into the heads of white men supporting Trump, not all of them flipped, but enough did to lose Trump the election. They were so affected by being called vile racists they were dissuaded from voting for Trump. Yes Virginia, there are a lot of weak white men who can be intimidated that way, and now are doubtless exhibiting cognitive dissonance about exactly why they voted for Biden, who speaks from Wilmington, which has an empire of Fortune 500 companies incorporated there because Delaware gives them all they want. The media are integrated into the corporate world and articulate their views. Anyone listening to a range of media would have heard ceaseless accusations about Trump’s white male voters; being a white man hearing that you are evil had an enevating effect on a nontrivial part of that demographic.

    Trump’s team may well underestimated the percentage of white men who they would lose to the racism accusations this time, because the media with very few exceptions were not only anti-Trump, but far more anti Trump that in 2016, and especially loud and ceaseless in hammering home the message that Trump’s supporters were racist white men. There was not much Kushner or anyone else could do about it.

    • LOL: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
    , @Poco
  83. anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gardenweasel

    Saying that MAGA blames blacks for the fraud is ludicrous, as we all know Trump increased his share of the black vote

    By a trivial amount. The implication is definitely that votes are being rigged in predominantly black areas of the Rust Belt.

  84. Rooster10 says:

    Very interesting charts showing voter shift, I had not seen them for this election yet. However, you’re assuming that all the data is correct… which is a big assumption. Between increased mail-in ballots which are ripe for fraud, and the newly discovered election software “glitches” I’m not sure we’ll ever have an accurate account of what happened. As a math teacher I had used to say about statistics and polling: “garbage in equals garbage out”.

  85. @anon

    There is literally no sense of “huwhite” identity. It was very predictable.
    The flu was a mild, highly infectous bioweapon released for intended outcomes. Doesn’t change the fact that “right wingers” are a bunch of low IQ morons who handed the victory to the kikes and their lackeys.

    • Agree: Druid
  86. How many have read Atlas Shrugged? How many are aware of the John Galt and Hank Rearden characters?

    The white man in the US is Hank Rearden. The white man in the US is the source of everything that makes life possible and is kicked and beaten for being productive. The white man is systematically stomped on by law that elevates the freaks in the society for political gain. The white man is harassed by all the freaks as the source of their ineptitude.

    It’s time the white man in the US actually became John Galt. The white man needs to throw sand into the gears that run the country. The white man needs to say he’s had enough of the bullshit and simply withhold his labor and intellect to let the country realize that they can’t function without him.

    Become John Galt. Retire. Expatriate. Go on welfare. Refuse to help the scum that’s determined to annihilate you.

    • Agree: Fred777, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  87. Good analysis, shame most Unz readers won’t understand it. Trump alienated educated voters in general, most of whom happen to be white. His 50-word-vocabulary crude ape-like speaking style appeals to low IQ voters and the sort of deeply cynical Unz reader who has given up on America anyway, but embarrasses the average literate professional who still think traditional values like courtesy and self-restraint mean something. You can see this in the unprecedented level of ticket splitting. A lot of Republicans voted for GOP congressmen and senators but decided to give Trump the boot.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  88. Trump lost. Biden won. What difference it makes. As always Israel wins. America loses. Trump’s handlers for Ismael were Shedelson and gang. Biden’s Saban and gang. Both for Israel. The real issue, Israel’s hegemony over America is not at all raised any time as expected. All those who voted, who cheer Biden or despair for Trump do have nothing more to do. The rest will be taken care of by Israel and its outfits

    • Agree: Druid
  89. @GMC

    Muttmerica from the very beginning has always been a nation of criminally retarded subhumans.
    A hotbed for rejects, villainy, degenerates and of course, kikes.

  90. Z-man says:

    The current narrative in MAGA world is that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. There is no use arguing with them about it. It is hopeless.

    Yes it was stolen.

    Before this happened, they believed the Democrats were blood sucking pedophiles who worshipped Satan and that the Durham Report and indictments were coming and Trump was playing 4D chess and was going to going to defeat of all his enemies. Losing the election was never within the realm of possibility.

    Yes they are and so are a lot of Republi’tards. Stealing this election and letting that half coon bitch eventually get into the WH is a disaster for this nation.

    The weird Jew son in law and his ditsy daughter were Trumps biggest liabilities. The super Zionist and social justice daughter ruined it for Donald. They should have been kept comfortably away in NY City One or at his estate in Jersey.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  91. The Jared Kushner strategy rested on the assumption that White men were solidly behind Donald Trump due to polarization and had “no place else to go” which flies in the face of the fact that it was disaffected Obama-Trump voters who swung the 2016 election. Thus, they could be safely ignored and taken for granted while Trump relentlessly pandered to other groups. It was arrogance and stupidity.

    Agreed. Just as I said, Trump won 2016 because he followed the Sailer strategy; he lost in 2020 because he abandoned it.

    • Replies: @Tucker
    , @utu
  92. Anon[437] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hegar

    The GOP made huge gains down-ballot. But still lost the presidential vote? This is completely unheard of.

    Hunter Wallace has already debunked much of these nonsense claims. What you note here does happen due to low information voters. In Alabama, Wallace’s home state, Trump received more votes than the republican senatorial candidate Tommy Tuberville. Was the vote rigged in favor of Donald Trump there? Further, total republican House gains were fairly minimal compared to the total House membership of over 400. So, what you saw wasn’t really that extraordinary. A few republicans won their races which produced what you see. It’s nothing. Also, there are at least two republican senate races left. They may still go to the democrats, resulting in the GOP losing ground (or even the whole senate).

    The Google search for “election fraud punishment” surged in PA, MI and AZ the days before the election. Funnily, exactly the states where fraud was the Biden vote suddenly jumped in the middle of the night.

    That means exactly nothing. Those were the states left remaining, and the ones that flipped. So, obviously people will Google them.

    Trump received a higher share of the Black and Latino vote across the country – except in the large cities like Atlanta and Detroit in these swing states.

    Apples to oranges. You’re comparing a couple of heavily-black cities to the nation as a whole where most Hispanics live in the Southwest . Trump also received a lower percentage of the Hispanic vote than GW Bush did. The vote totals in Detroit aren’t enough to overcome Biden’s lead there. And Biden won Georgia due to the swing in White votes in the suburbs, not Atlanta blacks.

    he sees his chance of making Unz readers turn away from the GOP … Brad Griffin hopes to disconnect Unz readers from the Right.

    Believe in the cult leader. Don’t question the cult leader. Huff on the Copium-270 and all will be good. The spaceship will be here to pick you up after you go to sleep. Rest now.

    The vote increase in Wisconsin was 5.5 standard deviations above the average in the last twelve elections. This is a statistical impossibility. It would happen less than once in a billion times.

    Not really. National vote totals were dramatically higher due to Covid-19 and mail in ballots. Trump received the second highest popular vote total in history, or close to it. When all the votes are counted, he’ll have garnered around 10 million more votes than he got last time. The noted turnout isn’t a problem.

    In Michigan, 140,000 ballots in a row went to Biden.

    Still not enough to overcome Biden’s total. Even if there were fraud, Trump still lost. And many of those ballots came from heavily black areas which vote 90%+ democrat. Lopsided vote totals are to be expected.

    There was no serious voter fraud in either Michigan or Wisconsin. If there were, we would have seen anomalies in the black vote most likely. Instead, Trump lost White voters in a manner consistent with much of the rest of the country. Trump lost significant ground in states like New Hampshire and Maine, for example, due to Whites turning against him.

    Trump lost. Period. He listened to Jared Kushner, internet ‘spergs & big business donors who all told him to ride out Covid-19 as “just the flu” and it cost him the election, just as many people predicted months ago. That was the hill you wanted to die on: Sweden is the model; face diapers; old people have to die for the economy; “I need to live my life”; it’s just the flu bro.

    Well, here you are. Welcome to it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @MarkinLA
    , @skrik
  93. @slorter

    Only low IQ subhumans believe in mass “democracy”, which has never existed at any point in history.

  94. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Sorry, but I am asking you why.

    Is there something we should know about? Is there some problem with your ID / email address?

  95. Realist says:

    By mid April 2017 I was convinced that Trump was part of the Deep State…since then it has only become more obvious.

    The Deep State is making its final move to total control. While dumb shit Americans have been watching such inane, mind numbing tripe as The Masked Singer, Dancing With The Stars, any sports programs plus most other TV crap…for decades, the Deep State has been tightening the noose. Decades ago it was noted by the wealthy and powerful how absolutely stupid most Americans are.

    The culpability of Americans really became obvious when they swallowed the narrative of the Kennedy assassination. It continued on with the Vietnam war…an absolutely unnecessary war to make the wealthy more so. The continuous military build up and bloated war budget….one of the Deep States biggest money makers. The US backed attack on the Twin Towers was a success in gaining control over Americans by taking away their freedom and privacy. This process continued with the fake Covid pandemic, to the present time. One of the next steps will be to eliminate the use of currency, thereby allowing the government to follow all purchases made by Americans.

    Due to the insouciance, abject stupidity and gullibility…most Americans deserve what they are getting and will be getting…good and hard.

    Life is full of choices…most American have made the wrong ones.

    The United States is the most corrupt, degenerate nation on the face of the earth.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Realist
  96. Gray says:

    Can all these articles stop containing fucking tranny reddit memes and cringe strawmen of republican voters. Literally worse than the most cringe MAGA guys at this point.

  97. ariadna says:

    A perfect article to scroll over after reading two paragraphs.

  98. Realist says:
    @Gordo

    Loads of people who passed away, sometimes decades ago, turned out to vote for Biden.

    This country is corrupt…what is your point…or solution?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  99. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read: The gullibility of Americans really…

  100. WHAT says:

    I literally don’t give a damn about your rationalizations for the loss, just start shooting already!

  101. georg1945 says:

    Dr. Drabik Janos in Amsterdam:

  102. @Arnieus

    Wrong. Guys like my father (old, white, Dane County WI resident) voted for Joe Biden because they wanted to see America return to its Promise.

    The alternative was being led by a Chabad cultist who hates dogs.

  103. profnasty says:
    @Flubber

    You need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.- Son of Flubber

  104. @Tucker

    Although I find your analysis of the problem correct, I think your hinted at non solution solution in your 3rd paragraph is lacking.

    For decades, it hasn’t mattered who got elected for any national office. The general direction the country was and is on hasn’t significantly changed year after year, decade after decade. That’s because voting is theater.

    Democracy is the dumbest of all possible political systems. As long as there are political parties that get to nominate the candidates the proles get to vote for, the entire exercise is a scam.

    Now, with electronic voting machines that are purposely designed to be hacked or their data streams manipulated, the system has reached the point where both parties can generate votes or change the data any time they want. It’s like high frequency trading stocks where one team’s computers try to beat the other team’s computers. The voter is still required to allow the MSM to show people walking in and out of poling places and to provide the media with exit poling opinions.

    Face it, the country is a soft dictatorship and has been so since at least JFK’s term.

  105. WJ says:
    @AceDeuce

    Griffin is a sperged out clown. To him, perfect should always be the enemy of good. Or perfect should always be the enemy of better than the crazy dems.

    He also lost his mind over Corona. Perhaps he is an obese high risk person terrified of the Wu flu but his posting on his site were absolutely absurd. My favorite post was when expressed his fake grief over the lost of two gazillion Americans. Like he gave an eff about those people.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
  106. @Carlos22

    If you dislike it, go back to Mexico, Carlos. Latinos are the superspreaders.

  107. What a load of crap! If the Jewish Cabal wanted Trump to win again he would’ve won !! It’s that simple. All the graphs and statistics this writer shows are just diversions for the real truth in my previous sentence. Maybe Biden promised them war on Iran which Trump wouldn’t do.

  108. @Tdstype2

    And how many of those people died WITH covid and not FROM covid you epic moron!!! Leave the heavy patriotic lifting to those of us who prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Pussy!!! Millions of young men went off to die at the outbreak of WWII…..millions died from the Spanish flu. And limp wristed fairies like you want to cower and destroy the US over a virus that affects 0.1 percent of the population who was for the most part were already dying??? Haha China doesnt need to fire a shot, America is holding a gun to its head…..Biden/Harris and all the senile selfish boomers 65+ who voted for them are going to pull the trigger!!!

    • Agree: Fred777, Druid
    • Replies: @anon
  109. @prime noticer

    Trump ran a bad campaign but sleepy Joe ran a kick-ass campaign from his basement right? Trump rallies packed, rare Biden rallies crickets? Yeah sure buddy!

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    , @anon
  110. pecosbill says:

    The current narrative in MAGA world is that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. There is no use arguing with them about it. It is hopeless.

    Any article leading off with such a goofy statement has no standing. In key swing states there are massive indications of voter fraud against Trump, an author not willing to add a caveat to that point is a hack. These shenanigans should be investigated in depth by law enforcement, no, not the FBI, they are by and large politically motivated scum. I respect them though, just like I do a rattlesnake. Anyone remember Waco?

    Concerning the large proportion of white men who voted for Biden I have complete contempt for given the stakes white people face now in the dark coming future especially if the Dems managed to steal the senate which looks increasingly likely. The agenda for whites in this coming nightmare under ‘Flatbackin’ Harris is in bold print. The drift toward Biden among whites had little to do with Trump, a better explanation is the constant brainwashing of younger whites or simply beatdowns or threats of beatdowns.

    By the way, I recommend any young white man to forgo joining the US Military including the NG and Reserves. Many of the country hate you and wish you ill; you have no country left. Ironically, it was Trump the ‘Jew lover’ who began to wind down the middle east wars and demand that the generals plan to do so. Many generals delayed and some didn’t obey. One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was not firing most of the military flag rank officers. Along these lines he should have canceled construction on the huge floating targets, (Ford Class Carriers).

    Likely in all elections there is significant fraud, but it makes little difference such as in an odd house or even a senate race. But other elections where fraud is a factor, there are damning consequences. Two of the biggest:

    1. Lincoln’s likely theft of the 1864 election which kept the war going to utter destruction of one section of the country and continued casualties on both sides.

    2. JFK’s theft of Illinois with the help of mobbed up Daley. Add to that the theft of Texas by LBJ, the latter having quipped later, “I stole 2oo,ooo votes in Texas and it almost wasn’t enough.” JFK came close to burning up the world and LBJ gave us Vietnam.

    There are others of course of significance such as the theft of Judge Roy Moore in Alabama the last cycle.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @What If
  111. This article is, warts and all, very good.

    But one cannot reason with many Unz readers because, for them, whatever happens, it’s a Joo behind it, with some fantastic conspiratorial schemes.

    You cannot argue with never-Jewers as you cannot with never-Trumpers.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  112. @Supply and Demand

    Is your father proud of his son marrying a chink and having Elliot Rodger-esque hapalets, all while spending his days on Unz coping about how great yellow fever is?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  113. @A Competent Physicist

    Yep. This media pressure to concede — replete with tales of Jared urging orange man to throw in the towel — is the final shit test being hurled Trump’s way.

  114. @Peter Akuleyev

    The uppity college educated “professional” is overwhelmingly a brainwashed, anti-American, Marxist/communist donkey that has spent 4+ years being indoctrinated by a liberal propaganda machine called the US higher education system. Being polite and courteous got the average American, blue collar or white collar, NOWHERE!!! These tyrants running everything from government to colleges to school boards to the courts to the big companies respect nothing other than power and force. People like you pretend there isn’t a vile, entrenched, evil force trying to dismantle everything America stood for and what it still stands for to some degree. There is a real and insidious globalist threat out to extinguish what’s left of human freedom and individual liberty. If you can’t see that you’re an ignoramus of the highest order. You stick to being polite and let us real men do the heavy lifting as we have always done throughout history. While it was college educated highly intelligent men that put the US together on paper, it was the common folk, idiots like you love to denigrate, that shed the most blood and did the most fighting against the British. Without the common man America never would have come to fruition the way it did.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  115. For the author suffering from TDS, the tone of the article sounds a bit angry. Why Trump lost?
    Although correct in the assessment of the failed Kushner strategy, Trump ran a campaign where as Biden ran no campaign at all! Trump went balls out with rallies and they were packed! Biden when he crept out of his basement and had a rare rally crickets!
    Sure Trump failed on the MAGA, but did nothing to harm white men. Biden is already all over racial justice bullshit in his first “100 days.” He is a danger to whites, and when the big guy is pushed or steps aside that half breed cunt will make every effort to destroy whites.
    Any white who voted for Biden / Harris is nothing short of a masochistic traitor! And btw doing no favors for minorities, as even stated in this article Trump picked up minority support across the board, so even the smart minorities could figure this out.
    There was clearly mass scale election fraud. Trump leading all the swing states at midnight, all those states stop counting votes, and suddenly by morning Biden gains massive ground and leads in many? Vote dumps by the tens of thousands without a single vote for Trump? A statistical impossibility… That doesn’t even account for republican vote watchers being denied access, a clear view, or being ejected. Wether or not the fraud mattered there was clearly wide spread organized voter fraud by the Dems and that undermines the legitimacy of the election process when confidence in the system and government as a whole is at an all time low.
    Some good facts and analysis, overall the article sucked!
    Enjoy the next four years of hell Griffen!

  116. @VinnyVette

    that just shows how badly America wanted Trump out of office, Vicente.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
    , @VinnyVette
  117. @Supply and Demand

    So you voted for the Democrat because Trump allowed Democrats to bully him into not overriding their draconian lockdowns? Makes sense.

  118. Richard B says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Good article

    Overall I agree, even though I don’t agree with everything in it. His basic point is hard to argue with. However, regarding voter fraud, it has to be said that, not only are there ananomolies, but they’re way too symmmetrical. It’d foolish to ignore them.

    In any event, the article’s title

    The Jared Kushner Strategy Obviously Backfired

    helps explain why we haven’t seen or heard from him or his wife.

    Their silence is significant. But it’s also predictable and obvious.

  119. All the theories about the election are based on the assumption that the votes mattered and the numbers represent real people.

    On a site filled with people convinced of tales of centuries-long plots and shadowy organizations bent on world domination, it’s disappointing to read so many people basing their ideas on publicly-available numbers and mainstream-friendly explanations about demographic shifts…

    Watching the spectacle, it seemed just as likely that we were being treated to a suspenseful drama concocted by one of those Hollywood directors that stretches 90 minutes of script into a 2.5 hour movie. Doesn’t anybody else feel expertly handled, as if talented hostage negotiators were called in to assuage a potentially explosive situation?

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  120. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Not a very good reasoning . Someone committing fraud have no reason to differentiate between the presidential and non- presidential slots . It takes a much higher complexity to sort the compels it you.

    It is a lot easier to check the boxes of the Democrats than to alternate between Democrats and Republicans on the ticket .

    Why someone trying dishonestly to get a candidate over the finish’s line ,will try to behave nay different for other races ? Makes no sense .

    It is our new Russia gate . Tea party and scumbag anti Chinese ‘ Kung Fu ‘ virus addled Zerohedge would jump to this psychological remedy for the losses are par the course .

    Haiku said that , we see the chicken coming home to roost .

    Conspiracy theories ( CT) have influenced the American to support all kinds of foreign policy and mi,it ray interventions . CT has now decided to attack the core of the Republic.

    The dirty jobs that Kushner got done by stupid arrogant dishonest Trump won’t be reversed by Demo .

    There is a pattern here.
    Get the dirty job done by a compromised vulnerable guy . Once it is achieved, throw him out but keep his achievement untouched and let it become ‘ facts on the ground’.

  121. None of the article refutes the massive ballot frauds going on, only their results.
    Next year, Joe Biden will not even remember.

  122. Hans says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Biden vote dump erasing 5 point Trump lead in Wisconsin elicits laughter from CNN whores – https://mobile.twitter.com/tribunal_watch/status/1324302142979624966?s=12

  123. Tucker says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I should point out that the cuckinloser that Trump had chosen to run his reelection campaign, Brad Parscale – but who was eventually fired – also went on the record as having declared that there was zero need for Trump to focus on shoring up his support among the White male population. Parscale expressed the attitude that Trump had these voters ‘in the bag’ and could therefore ignore them.

    I forget the exact wording of the Parscale quote, but it was dripping with almost the same flavor of disdain and contempt that oozed from Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ comments that she directed at Trump supporters back in 2016.

    Trump’s biggest failing from the first second he declared he was running for President was his moronic inability to weed out the anti-White vermin from his campaign staff and later on, from his administration.

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @chet roman
  124. Wilson says:

    Biden was probably just more acceptable to white men than mother-in-law-from-hell Hillary, though of course they don’t know what policies they were voting for because Biden doesn’t even know.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  125. @meamjojo

    nearly 50% of American voters STILL embraced Trump for a 2nd four-year term

    Do you have any proof of this?

    What numbers are you using?

    Why?

  126. Greg S. says:

    >How else do you explain what just happened? I would love to hear to it.

    The critical flaw in the author’s thinking is that he assumes most people (white, black, or otherwise) are awake, paying attention, and thinking critically. Pretty much the opposite is true.

    What happened in this election is the controlled corporate propaganda media, who beat the “orange man bad” drum incessantly for 4 years, did their job, and successfully convinced millions of white men (among others) that “orange Hitler” had to go. White men are no less immune to the propaganda and brainwashing than any other group, and in fact this data may show they are actually more susceptible to it as they drool over their “sportsball” and TV shows. The media successfully made Trump “uncool” and “non Alpha” in the eyes of these droolers. Those who pay attention know that the Biden was the true weak-man candidate, an entirely artificial media creation with no substance, but this represents maybe 1/4 of people, at best.

    Combined with this, Trump ran a mostly ineffectual campaign, seeming to pull all his punches until the very end when it was to late. He should have had the huge rallies right from the start. But COVID (almost like it was planned for this purpose) effectively prevented him from campaigning in his preferred and most effective style. He also still had to be president, and the media stripped away the traditional “incumbent” advantage and Trump realized (too late) that he essentially needed to run like he wasn’t already the president. Nobody seems to give Trump any credit for the size and the power of the forces that were arrayed against him. It was David vs Goliath and he still almost won.

    With regards to racial trends, the trend of more blacks voting for Trump showed that he was able to wake up a few more blacks to the realities of how they are simply used by the leftists and Marxists as tool (to be quickly discarded once Marxism is achieved). But not enough to make a difference.

    All of this comes with the caveat of course that it assumes the data is real and there was no fraud. I make no such assumption, myself.

  127. Whitewolf says:
    @Supply and Demand

    that just shows how badly America wanted Trump out of office, Vicente.

    Really? He was way more divisive in 2016 and Hillary was way more popular, competent and coherent than Biden. Yet she still lost?

    Then all the nonsense started about Russian collusion and interference in the election. Nonsense that continued for years. Nonsense that was peddled 24/7 without any semblance of proof or credibility.

    This election is seen by many millions as 3rd world tier fraudulent. Not just in the Banana States but across the world. Leaving aside all the faults of Trump and even the merits of claims of fraud you still have the perception of fraud. That can’t just be swept under the carpet and forgotten. Too much smoke there and too many people aren’t buying the legitimacy of the election. The media isn’t going to be able to gaslight the people into accepting this as legitimate.

  128. @anonymous

    Trump is a creature of the deep state. He is one of the most failed big businessmen of all NYC and yet at every turn of his devastating carreer he was always funded back into saddle through occult money printing. The deep state is staging a recovery, a return to normalcy, but there has been no change in the level of control over things. Maybe even the contrary : now the Democratic establishment, like Johnson in 1964, is stuck with quite uncontrollable rampaging beasts that will ask for ever more fodder and very soon consider Biden as the next bourgeois obstacle to fell.

  129. Drew says:
    @Flubber

    Fair enough, but riddle me this: if Trump does get the second term, what can he possibly do the stop the train?

    • Replies: @Flubber
  130. nsa says:

    Humble nsa happens to reside in the absolutely best location in all of the USA…..mountains, salt water, life giving rain, white water rivers and streams, eagles, orcas, bear, cougar….so of course he did the right thing and voted Green Party. All of you should have also, but instead you opted for a WWE wrestling promoter who applies make-up and mascara every day…..someone whose idea of nature is a manicured golf course. At any time, your hero could have done something for folks who actually work for a living….and easily won a second term. Instead, tax cuts for himself, his family, his rich pals, and of course his jew sponsors. Main domestic agenda: goosing the stock market, debauching the currency, and stripping the working poor of their basic medical plan. Another reason to vote Green: greenie women are usually outdoorsy and in reasonable shape, unlike the grotesque whoppers who populate the mainstream R and D parties.

  131. @Supply and Demand

    Really? You know “many members of Gen Z”…”18/19 years old” who contacted you in China to tell you they voted against Trump but did not vote for Senator or Representative? All of them with the same story? But you claim to be a Post-Grad degree holder who already was working in China in 2016?[comment#64] That means, assuming you started work in China in 2016, you were a Masters degree student with “many” friends 14/15 years old at the oldest, but likely younger. Your story doesn’t make any sense.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  132. Trump merely proved us accelerationists correct. Voting for a Repugnantcon will only land us in hell ONE generation later. It is passing the buck to our own children – as contemptible as pedophilia. Think about it. Who is more immoral – the kiddy diddling leftist or the “conservative” who trades his comfort today for the rape and plunder of his children after he dies?

  133. Trinity says:

    This article reads like something you hear or see on Fox News or CNN, looks like this “webzine” is turning purple. hahaha.

    South Florida Cubans ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN, DUH. And Trump didn’t carry South Florida or even the Gulf Coast aka Tampa/St Pete Area, I am not even sure if Trump carried the I-4 corridor or Orlando/Lakeland area. What Trump did do was carry Sarasota/Naples area if I remember and the panhandle of Florida and had enough votes in the major cities to pull out the Sunshine State. The Sunshine State has always proven to be more red than blue or purple despite the influx of Yankee snowbirds, Haitians, Mexicans, East Indians and other various Browns, Yellows, and Blacks. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FLORIDA. MIGHT HELP TO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES. Living is the best experience, not polls, not FAKE stats, or FAKE VOTES.

    Now lets look at Georgia, another state I have spent quite a lot of time in. Racist and dimwitted Blacks are plenty in this state. Every city of any note is majority Black or nearly majority Black whether it be Atlanta, Augusta, Albany, Columbus, Macon, Savannah, etc., but the rest of the state is very red. Suburban Atlanta is a mixed bag, Cobb County and Dekalb county are majority White, not overwhelmingly but still majority White while Clayton County is a corrupt Black run part of the state and Gwinnet County is yet another minority majority county. Still that being said, Blacks make up 30% of the state, which is quite a lot, but how many of them are under 18 are in prison or convicted felons? Atlanta Metro accounts for over 50% of the state’s population but hell, they include places like Gainesville, Georgia in the metro of Atlanta, Gainesville is between 60-70 miles outside the city of Atlanta. Gainesville is full of legal and illegal Mexicans and other Brown skinned invaders/immigrants from South of the Border, but the people in and around this town and much of North Georgia have been here for generations and haven’t voted democrat since the days of Nixon. I was living in Florida when Clinton won here in 1992, and I find that one hard to believe. I also believe Georgia voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976 mainly because Carter was from Georgia, and nothing else. Silly Georgians. Anyhow I will end this, like I said yesterday, I travel from one corner of this state to the other and Trump signs and flags outnumber Biden signs, etc. by at least 15-1. No way in hell that Trump lost Georgia. Lest we forget, the obese, demonic eyed Stacey Abrams nearly stole the Georgia gubernatorial race, the FIX was in in Georgia as well as several other key states. Atlanta, like Detroit, like Philadelphia is corrupt and filled with Blacks, not a good combination.

  134. @phillip sawicki

    There is no such thing as an apple cart that can be upset. Trump was helped and paid to panic and galvanize the media against his own person so as to convince everybody within their ranks to accept party discipline and ideological censorship, though it remained at the level of a street masked dance of Halloween. Trump has been a Halloween pumpkin. Trump could have easily circumvented Twitter and Facebook censorship by installing a White-House operated (or Trump-operated) alternate social network open to more right-wing opinions, and subject to the same rules as a public utility service, he had the personal money to do it, he did nothing of that kind and let the social networks humiliate him together with the whole nation. He cannot have been anything else than complicit.

  135. Hossein says:
    @Rational

    Trump did not talk to the “Liberal media” and rather spewed his nonsense via the shit hole of Fox news which is the largest news outlet in the US. Trump could have easily won if he had respected the scientific community and gotten rid of jerks like Kushner . At the end it was his arrogance and racially divisive policies that doomed his chance of reelection.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  136. The ignore whitey strategy isn’t something that Kushner cooked up…..it’s been the GOP strategy for a long time. It sounds like something Rove would say in a rare honest moment. Paul Ryan never met a white person he wanted to help. Kevin McCarthy is no better. The GOP is a crew of stupid cucks and shabbos goy pussies so Kushner actually fit right in.

    The GOP has long refused to do anything for its’ base so Trump simply followed that well worn path that the nice jews provided for him.

  137. To claim that Trump lost because he lost White men is simply painting the landscape with too small a brush. There are too many loose ends in this mother of all FRAUDS – but if I had to address the suburban voter aspect alone, it was reported that many White suburban women – especially college grads – were repelled by DaTrumpster’s crass style. That was also true of many Churchians.
    Let’s see now – among White suburban college grads and Churchians – what’s DaDiff between men and women?
    About a dime’s worth – maybe?
    When you have a feminine culture, the consequences are exactly what we see – http://www.crushlimbraw.com – the Bible makes that very clear!

  138. I did not support Trump or Biden and so voted for Joanne Jorgensen , however in my opinion, the election was stolen for Biden in the swing states and there is no way in hell that Biden won this election legally, however this is what our zionist overlords wanted and they control the ZUS and they showed it in this election by in our face fraud.

  139. Katrinka says:
    @Blubb

    The U.S. is NOT a “democracy” and never was. It is a constitutional republic. FIFY.

  140. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @pecosbill

    “ Many of the country hate you and wish you ill; you have no country left. Ironically, it was Trump the ‘Jew lover’ who began to wind down the middle east wars and demand that the generals plan to do so. Many generals delayed and some didn’t obey. One of Trump’s biggest mistakes was not firing most “

    None of those foreign issues other than ME has cost US in trillions .
    Was it his hatred for Muslim and Arab or was it the blackmailing that made him commit one crime after another in ME.?

    Did he kill Soluemani to ensure the supports of the senators in order to prevent impeachment? Then the question why did the senators agree for quid pro quo?
    Who wanted Sukeimsni killed ?

    Was Kushner involved with Israel or fashion this particular policy as well?

    Why did he agree to Israeli demand as against withdrawal from Syria ?

    He has not lessened our involvement with ME wars. He has opened new fronts and Moët the old fronts going . New fronts are between Israeli looting,occupation,seizures and dispossessed expelled thrown out Palestinian . He has committed the same crimes Israel has done because he could have prevented, ignored and de -escalated . He has given the loot to Israel even when Israel was not hoping for the divine approval of the loot from USA.

  141. Hootsman says:
    @GMC

    Murka has been the primary destination for the traitors, agitators, conspirators, merchants, fanatics and fugitives of the world since the 1600s. It’s merely fulfilling its destiny.

  142. @RichardTaylor

    Many Aryan and other White nationalists in Europe have come to the conclusion that it was better to vote Democrat this time, as a true enemy of one’s cause is always preferable to a false friend : Trump is the greatest Israel firster ever in the history of American presidency. He is namely a Templar Zionist as his wettest dream would be erecting, at American Whites’ expense of course, a one-mile high Trump tower in Jerusalem.

  143. The Steal is Real.

    Election has been Seth-Riched.

    That the key states that made the election went through the SAME PATTERNS is fishy beyond sharkdom.

    The same patterns and same shifts?

    PS. As for more white guys rejecting Trump this time, could they be disgruntled Bernie Bros? Maybe they went with Dems this time cuz the Dems were ‘cool’ about letting Antifa burn down cities.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  144. It’s legal vs bagel.

  145. anon[771] • Disclaimer says:

    All of that is true, plus there was a lot of fraud in key areas that enabled Joe Biden to triumph over Trump. You don’t have to be a MAGAtard who drinks the Qoolaid to think this election was fishy.

  146. @Supply and Demand

    After reading this comment I wonder who is the real cuck here. Trump “bent the knee to Israel” but you voted for the party that receives 50% to 60% of their campaign contributions from the Tribe whose loyalty is to a foreign country and Marxist ideology. You whistle a patriotic tune while traveling in China after you vote for one of the most pro-CCP politicians who is also getting 10% of the profits from a Hunter Biden company that is linked/funded by the Chinese Communist Party.

    This is the moronic “elite class” that proudly throw around their graduate degrees and yet have no common sense. Yeah, and they are so proud to be “globalists” but sell out their own country. You’re the real cuck!

    • Agree: Poco
  147. Welcome to Jewish gangster state.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  148. @Tucker

    What I don’t get is how stupid or how propagandized to white men have to be to vote for Biden. It is clear that he is a placeholder and is not going to rule longer than 6 months and what comes after is Marxism or at a minimum Marxism-light. Critical Race Theory training will be required for schools and government employees, which means aggressive anti-white (especially white men) and anti-Christian indoctrination. It will be sold as “diversity” training and the underperforming and dysfunctional black culture will be the model for the woke public.

    I can’t blame Trump’s campaign for if white males are so infected with the woke virus that they are literally condemning themselves to second class status.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  149. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    The cheat would have been impossible if Trump hadn’t lost a small percentage of white male vote.

    So, today, a victorious candidate must get enough votes to make cheating by his opponent impossible? Well, maybe that has happened this time.

    Note that Trump got more than enough votes to be elected, that consequently his opponent not only took two days just to fill in and deliver enough ballots in a very clumsy manner to overcome Trump’s lead, thus making the fraud obvious, and that Fox, the last remaining news network that a large number of people believed, has lost its audience by its participation in the fraud. Trump forced his opposition into burning up two of their most important assets — public belief in the legitimacy of elections, and faith in non-fraudulent reporting.

    Whether that’s a win for Trump remains to be seen, but it’s a crippling loss for his opponent. Unless somehow corrected, the 2020 Presidential elections will lead to an ungovernable nation and possibly a civil war. See: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/civil-war-it-then Metaphorically, it’s like burning down your house to avoid loosing a low stake chess game with your spouse.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  150. Trinity says:

    IMAGINE IF the truckers and farmers went on STRIKE. Think about all those major cities like NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore/Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, San Fran, etc.?

    My guess is your average trucker and farmer is a Trump voter. HERE are the most VALUABLE JOBS OUT THERE FOR SURVIVAL. It isn’t some horseshit white collar DO NOTHING occupation that pays people to sit on their flabby asses all the day. Ranking the most valuable occupations for survival.

    1. Number one is OBVIOUS. FARMERS. You have to eat.
    2. Truckers. Well how are goods going to be brought to the nation.
    3. Construction. DUH, shelter is essential unless you can live like the animals or rough it by building your own log cabin.

    4. Doctors. yep, a DISTANT 4th.

    All you lame brain “collage” twits who think your shit doesn’t stink are basically NON-ESSENTIAL IN OTHER WORDS WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, YOUR LAME.

    All you hardworking farmers, you HOLD THE CARDS, you truckers out there, you have more pull than you realize. I got a big 10-4, Good Buddy, we got us a convoy. hehehe.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @ConqueringFools
    , @CCZ
  151. CCZ says:
    @Abbybwood

    Chuck Tecumseh Sherman, I mean Schumer, has spoken:

    “Now we take Georgia, then we change the world,” Schumer said, holding a black 2020 flag with a “no” symbol over a 45, denoting Donald Trump, the 45th president, and the words “Reclaiming my country.”

  152. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Realist

    What do the following four categories of voters have in common??

    1. Dead voters

    2 Convicted felon voters

    3. Illegal immigrant voters

    4. Voters too stupid to know how to vote

    Answer: They all vote for the Democrat!

    Of course our nation is corrupt.

    Solution: Get more and more people to understand this obvious fact and wake up from the charade.

    • Replies: @Realist
  153. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Trump had several chances to attack Iran, thanks to the same SOBs who did 9/11 and didn’t follow through. He also failed to completely waste Syria and that was the beginning of the end for Trump.

    Now we’ll have to wait and see what part of America gets sacrificed to anudda Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag that the (((MSM))) will blame on Iran without any proof, except their hot air and BS.

    Since President Harris has already said that as prez, she’d give Congress 100 days to pass laws to confiscate our weapons, there will be an increase of those horrible school shootings, even bigger body counts than before, that will give Harris the excuse she wants to take our guns away.
    Naturally, those false flags will be blamed on white males, since we’re so powerful??

    When our colonial overlord Israel congratulates the DNC/Silicon Valley theft of the WH, you know its game over.
    Time to stock up on beans and brass.

    • Replies: @Tucker
  154. Mark my words in your memory.
    Biden won the election (by cheating but it is not relevant) because he did promise Natanyahu that he will attack Iran and destroy all Iran’s military capabilities.

  155. Skeptikal says:
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Yes, it’s like a magic number. It only has meaning as part of a relationship to another number.

    The constant repetition of this one number is like a repeating signal of the mathematical illiteracy of the USA and its media.

    The ongoing confusion and conflation of “positive PCR test” with “case” is a repeating signal of plain old illiteracy of the USA and its media.

  156. @anon

    That’s only true if you’re into the black helicopter crowd who were all saying it’s a hoax. “It’s just the flu, bro.”

    Actually, we said it was the Flu (+). Nice straw man though.

    Well, Covid-19 was the single most important issue for voters, especially seniors, and Trump’s approval on that subject is abysmal.

    More evidence that controlling the (((megaphone))) is invaluable. As an anecdote, my in-laws watch the news all day and read their newspaper while listening to local radio. In August, they thought 10% of Americans had COVID-19 (try 2%) and that over 1M people had died. Try 200k (100k in LTC facilities – 40% of those in NY, CT, NJ and PA). Andrew Cuomo hates grandmothers.

    Seniors cost him Arizona and possibly at least one other state.

    Drumpf is going to win AZ after they count the last 100k ballots.

    “You guys on this website railed against Covid-19 (and “face diapers”) for months, saying seniors needed to die for the economy so you can get a hamburger and “live your lives”, and Trump picked up on that messaging and started repeating it.”

    Hilarious projection. Railing against lockdowns is more accurate description of people on this website…but note, there is scant evidence the wearing masks does a darn thing. Still, most people go along to get along. https://porcupine-musings.org/2020/09/17/unmasked/. As the NEJM says, if you’re going to have prolonged exposure to an individual w/ symptoms (More than 10 mins) wear a mask. Otherwise, it’s just theater.

    “Apparently, Seniors don’t think they should die because some 4chan ‘sperg thinks they’re dead wood.”

    See above, but I like your spirit. Keep repeating things and maybe they’ll eventually be true. Moving COVID positive olds back into old folks killed them. And we all know who was responsible for that. In a sane world we’d ask whether or not that merely stupid or evil. Your call.

    “The election fraud thing is just a cope to avoid admitting that.”

    I am sorry Drumpf didn’t bail you and Hunter out in Charlottesville. Of course Drumpf is a flawed vessel. Of course listening to Jared was idiotic. We all get that. But acting like a scorned lover is a worse cope, cu*k.

    • Replies: @anon
  157. @RoatanBill

    Fantastic. It’s as hilarious to me every time somebody brings up the facile Ayn Rand (Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum) Harlequin Romance for Amway victims, as it was the first time. One would have to be completely ignorant of the last hundred and fifty years of history to hold the infantile views that you express. Do you think it’s non-binary women of colour who decided that the US would de-industralize and pretend to become a post-industrial service economy predicated on race-to-the-bottom wages paid to immigrants from former colonial wastelands? There is no group more dedicated to destroying the working class than the bourgeous small businessman who deludes himself into believing he’s Henry Ford.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  158. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    now that Trump cannot possibly be unaware that he has been comprehensively betrayed by the Joos, should he emerge triumphant at the end of this what would his attitude be towards Joos in his second term?

    would Trump still be the best friend Joos ever had in the american presidency… or will he morph into the opposite of that?

    has Trump so morphed already in fact, presidency or no presidency… is in fact already in total reversal f his ‘best friend position’, in the face of the total Jewish betrayal of Trump, we can all see from any vantage point on the planet

    Interesting

  159. @Rational

    White liberals may or may not be “disgusting scum,” but they certainly are unconsciously self-hating. Last night, in his “acceptance speech,” a drugged up Biden positively ran to the microphone, and gave a very coherent speech with no sign of dementia or stuttering. Whatever drugs he was on sure did work wonders. Trump lost because he’s an arrogant ass who just could not shut up, tone down his constant self-promotion, as well as his tweeting addiction.

    But my biggest concern is not Biden, who has now served his purpose and can be cast aside. It is Kamala and what she stands for. It seemed that only black music was played, the dancing crowd looked largely black, and the term “systemic racism,” was repeated ad nauseum – even several times by the CBS “journalists,” especially by Gayle King.

    So get ready, you white traitors, for four more years of increasing white hatred, as less qualified minorities are given your rightful promotions. How long will it take for Kamala, who will be potus within a year, to come after our guns? Also, get ready for more lockdowns, and a national mask mandate. A mask-obsessed Biden has promised that.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  160. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Brad Griffin is the hillbilly doofus who fell for the Covid BS that was pushed by Jews to bring down the economy and scare old folks(most of whom died in NY and other such places cuz of nursing home policy by Dems). Unwittingly, he went along with the ‘narrative’.

    Jews control the media, and that means they could morally blackmail politicians with the threat, “If you don’t lock down the economy, we will make it seem like YOU guys killed all those people.”
    The media, in cahoots with Jewish-run medical community, can cook up false numbers, like counting every dead person with covid as having died OF covid.

    Also, even if many people don’t die, the media can affect many people with sentimental sob stories about a few that did die. After all, the face of Anne Frank more than the 6 million people made people feel so sad about the Shoah. (Ironically, she didn’t die of gassing.)

    Jewish control of media is the most dangerous thing in democracy. Politicians are afraid of being scapegoated or vilified by Jews as the villain or murderer, so they end up doing as Jews threaten, implicitly or explicitly.

    Jews used Covid like Katrina ended up for Bush.

    Trump avoided wars, and that kept him from a disaster. And he responded well to natural disasters.

    So, Jews had to invent covid hysteria and then sink the economy by threatening Trump, “If you don’t lock down, we’ll blame you for millions of deaths.” It was all bull. If covid is such a killer, why were Jews okay with antifa and other such scum marching for Floyd?

    Unless Jewish Power is exposed, nothing real is possible.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  161. In assessing the success or failure of Kushner’s strategy remember he is motivated by two objectives: Enriching himself and furthering Israeli interests.

    • Agree: Rosie
  162. KenH says:

    First of all Trump was not repudiated by the nation. If that were the case he wouldn’t have won almost seven million additional votes over 2016 and Republicans wouldn’t have gained about 10 seats in the House and likely to retain the Senate. Negro radical Van Jones of CNN acknowledged as much.

    But at the same time the media helped induce Trump derangement syndrome in Democrats and seemingly some moderates. Trump is not perfect nor is he above criticism and sometimes was his own worst enemy but without the constant drumbeat of anti-Trump hysteria by the media this election might have a different outcome even with the likelihood of fraud in several states.

    With that said Trump’s endless pandering to non-whites and bragging and tweeting about the black and hispanic unemployment rates as well as his promises of hundreds of billions of dollars in economic incentives for blacks and hispanics no doubt alienated a percentage of his white working and middle class base. This likely hurt him in battleground states that he needed the most.

    I think a lot of the extra votes over 2016 were due to fears of what a Biden-Harris administration mean just as Biden’s supposedly record number of votes in part represents hatred of Trump and his supporters that the Jewish media carefully cultivated the last four years.

    • Agree: Jim Bob Lassiter, DaveE
  163. Thim says:

    Trump should have followed the Sailer Strategy, but he didn’t. The result was mixed, much better than I expected, actually, and BTW, I dislike Trump and favor secession, same as Brad Griffin.

    The problem with Brad Griffin is that he cannot think when he is emotionally committed to something. He says he sees no evidence of voter fraud, no Pallets full of ballots, no exclusion of witnesses, no Dominion software switching votes, no dead people voting, and when over 100% of a city’s registered voters cast ballots, well, that is not fraud.

    When tens of thousands of votes show up at 3 am, all for one candidate, that is entirely normal, and no evidence of fraud, says Brad. Millions of illegals voting, but no fraud, none at all.

    And anyone who disagrees with him is a Qtard, Brad says. Not true in my case. I said from the very beginning of the Q psyop that it was counterintelligence and therefore mostly lies with just enough truth mixed in to capture the unintelligent and unstable.

    Mr. Unz is presenting all sides, as usual. I am not against that.

  164. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    There was no serious voter fraud in either Michigan or Wisconsin. If there were, we would have seen anomalies in the black vote most likely.

    You’re missing the point. While it’s true that black areas go heavily Democratic — that isn’t the issue — , the real question is how many of those votes are legit, how many are bogus?

    Blacks are shameless and notorious for cheating and stuffing ballots. They know they can get away with it because Dem elites encourage it and GOP is too afraid of being called ‘racist’ by calling for scrutiny.

    In the past, it wasn’t just blacks. Daley and the Irish machine and Johnson and Texas machine were major cheaters. Clannish Irish and Texan rubes didn’t play fair. Since then, whites became more fair-minded. But blacks are still in boss-machine stage of development, and Jewish Power wants to keep it that way for easy votes.

    It’s not surprising that most blacks voted for Biden. But how many fake ballots were added to the mix?

    You trust the system? One that allowed Bernie Madoff to operate for 20 yrs and steal millions. One that gave you WMD lies and Iraq War? One that lied about Russia Collusion and ‘Assad gassed his own people’? One that favors Jewish supremacists over Palestinians? One that carried out the Jeffrey Epstein hit in plain sight? And what really happened to Seth Rich?
    After all that, you believe Jewish Power in state and media in cahoots with black crooks play fair?

    Yeah, it was mostly fair across most of Wis and Michigan, but how many fake ballots were added in black areas? That should be the real question. How many fake ballots were added to real ones?

    Remember derivatives? Bad loans mixed with good loans and stamped AAA by Moody’s and sold around the world? Same thing here. Legit votes mixed with fake ones. Also, over the yrs, blacks learned they could vote multiple times since NO ONE is going to look into it. Dems can just say ‘racist’ and GOP folds. It’s freaking affirmative voting.

    Do not trust anything.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  165. AReply says:

    My theory is that Trump himself is an invention of the left elites, the world’s greatest false operation! A guy like President Trump is perfect for polarizing and incapacitating the public mind, as amply demstrated on Unz forums. Think about it! The whole construction is a sham, like how Hollywood can make it look like you landed on the moon when in fact it just wanted to sell tickets to an adaptation of a sketchy horror novel to rubes who don’t get Stephen King. I’ll go further: Even these comments are just outputs of bots to keep very large, pimply, diaper-wearing, basement dwelling WOW generals busy while Elon Musk arranges a fleet of autonomous carry-alls to deliver their population to Bezo’s work camps. Look at this tweet on Trump’s feed

    //suck my toes [email protected]
    15h
    Replying to
    @realDonaldTrump
    I love seeing TRUMP lose, it’s my daily medicine, my weekly energy, my monthly inspiration and my yearly motivation. His loss is the only reason i’m still alive, i was born to love and enjoy the failure that he has achieved//

    There is no way this wasn’t produced by a bot!
    THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS A SHAM
    And we can easily see that deep-state went completely apeshit in 2016 to get Trump installed in the Whitehouse. He was a just a simple reality TV star building an army of clones at the edge of the galaxy, with track record of fucking up his fake businesses, living off handouts from his way-too-tolerant dad, hanging out with pedophiles, and scamming the government for loans, then suddenly he was like ‘vetted’ and turned into a Manchurian-C c ch… (Chinese something… I forget… but it doesn’t matter!) by left-wing entertainment to grab white men by the shorts-and-curlies and superglue them into their gamer chairs. Want proof?! Look at the middle part of Steve Jobs 2007 iPhone Announcement keynote, when Trump’s big fat head appears in the NBC Peacock over Jobs head. Remember how the GOP field just parted in 2015 and Trump walked through the middle of a field of powerful Republican candidates and grabbed the nomination out of thin air? WITHOUT EVER APPEARING ON THE RNC MASTHEAD WEBSITE! The GOP never wanted Trump! How could they run a completely media fabricated construct? Trey Parker and Matt Stone recently proved conclusively that Trump is a deep-fake — and he alwayz was. We’ve been epically played, White Brother! I don’t know about the rest of you but I’ve been learning Spanish and I’m heading to Mexico away from the (darkies) and the (Irish). I can’t take it here in Canada any more.

  166. Jimmy1969 says:

    This article is like many…a few empirical facts, with at best loose tenuous conclusions and sweeping generalizations….too many to contradict. I will Just take one…the Jews were behind Trump and voted for him. That is a joke. The Costall Elites and Illinois are code words for Jews…in addition dozens of guys like Mike Bloomberg were blowing billions to try to defeat Trump and buy the Senate. Biden’s kids all married Jews and Harris’s husband is a wealthy connected Jew. Kushner got out Jewed.

  167. This article makes sense only if you accept that the Dems didn’t cheat at all in vote counting, which is a stretch to say the least.

    What Trump and most other boomers don’t get is that while Team Red may temporarily occupy the White House, Team Blue has controlled the bureaucracy, including the people who monitor elections for decades.

  168. @Rufus Clyde

    I didn’t bring up Ayn Rand, you did. I brought up two of her characters in one of her books.

    non-binary women of colour … small businessman

    I have no idea what you’re talking about as I never mentioned anything you brought up.

    Instead of calling me infantile, why not write a cogent paragraph that explains your position.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Anynymous
  169. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Everything the Jewish Power tell us is a lie.

    Take BLM. Black males endangered by white police?

    Gimme a break. Blacks kill blacks and non-blacks.

    And yet the crazy narrative.

    Past(1619 Project) or Present(BLM), Jews are turning US into an empire of lies.
    Jews encourage black rage/hatred UNLESS it comes to bite their own ass. Then and only then are blacks punished like bad children as Jews control access to sports, entertainment, and media.

    In current US, James Fields sits in jail for 400 yrs while Antifa scum are allowed to riot, loot, burn, and murder. Jonathan Pollard is now a free man with a plush job even though his treason cost 100s of lives.

    Anyone who trusts this election is a bigger fool than…

    • Thanks: Trinity
  170. @Wally

    Thanks for the links.
    Aside from all of the election “irregularities”, I have tried to rationalize how the “swing states” and only they, would vote Democrat.
    Take a look at this: https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2020
    What people are supposed to beleive is that, other than Arizona, which is still undeclared, the Republican voters in all of the states at issue voted massively to return Republican State Assemblies, but hated Trump so much they voted for Biden.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
  171. AceDeuce says:
    @Wilson

    Get serious. Hillary is like Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc on steroids compared to the “sistuh in law” from hell that Joezheimer picked to be his VP. That diarrhea-colored dictator is redd’ ta’ go when Slow Joe becomes Stopped Joe ( I see that Alex Trebek just died–maybe Slow Joe will round out the inevitable upcoming trifecta of dead famous people.) He’s now like used TP. He served his purpose. Time to flush.

  172. @Robert Dolan

    The election was not legitimate.

    The election itself was legitimate. How it was conducted and the results in some areas, are not.

  173. @anon

    Trump should have welded shut the doors of all apartment houses for six months. That would have solved the Covid crisis. Or else arrested Fauci and had him shot. But he did not do that. With Biden the Covid crisis can disappear with a wave of the hand, unless they need it to accomplish more goals for the common good.

    • Replies: @Flubber
  174. TMJ says:
    @Rational

    Shame on MAGA fools sitting on their hands waiting for a plan that doesnt exist. Wignats won the 2016 election for trump and in 2020 we did not lend him any support after 4 years of empowering anti white forces while actively working against his own supporters. He did nothing explicitly for whites and that is why the election was close enough to steal. Its been great really, a nation full of copes, some of them waking up to the fact that democracy is nothing but yet another jewish run scam like the media and hollywood.

    Some jaggoff is sure to flag my post as a Troll but apparently they dont know what that word means. I am just stating that the author is correct and the MAGA people need to start thinking in their own interests instead of plan trusting.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Stonehands
  175. AceDeuce says:
    @Anon

    So they (rightly) hated HRC when she was the Worst Lady back in the 90s. OK. The same people thought that Kamala Harris as VP–and likely POTUS within 2 years–is better?

  176. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    And thank you.

    Yeah, the idea that voters would add more Republicans to Congress, but somehow vote out the more popular Trump doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Here’s another one, a step by step procedure to legality:

    Wait Just a Minute! Some Very Good News May Be Coming
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/wait_just_a_minute_some_very_good_news_may_be_coming.html

  177. It’s so stupid to say niggers (and the rest) didn’t steal the election on the premise that there wasn’t a dramatic change in how those areas voted from 2016 and 2012. They cheat every year, the increase in overall turnout has been massive. There is no contradiction between Trump losing some percentage of the white vote and the Democrats cheating to win. I didn’t vote for Trump, I thought they tried to steal it from him in 2016 (they whittled the margins down to nothing), and they are trying to do it now.

  178. Abbybwood says:
    @Lol

    As soon as President Harris (betting odds are a matter of a few months after the Biden inauguration), we WILL have an Israel First President .

  179. Flubber says:
    @Drew

    Prosecution of the Russia plotters

    Prosecution of Hunter Biden for corruption and get him to flip

    Ultimatum to FaceBook et al. – Choose Choose Section 230 protections and neutrality or Editorialising – their days of having both are over

    Would be the first 90 days to do list.

  180. @Supply and Demand

    More than 50 years ago, George Wallace proclaimed there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats. I recall a 1970 conversation with a relative (born in 1908) in Ohio about her choice in the then upcoming mid term. She laughed and said it didn’t matter. These people get elected with huge campaign debts and after two terms are millionaires. They are only in it for the money.
    If my long dead relative had that figured out in 1970, I fell sorry for your old, white, Dane County WI, father, who hasn’t figured out that the uni-party sank Trump, because he wanted a cut of the action.

  181. @Sean

    There’s a significant proportion of the white male population that is Jew-aware. Do you really think they could stomach voting for Trump, the way our situation (in particular 1ST AMENDMENT) has deteriorated in four years?

  182. Flubber says:
    @Lol

    This is such a BS point.

    What has been Trumps strategy on the Middle East?

    Getting them to fight their own wars.

    An Israel First President would have US troops in Syria as a stepping stone to an attack on Iran.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Meimou
  183. @anon

    Well, Covid-19 was the single most important issue for voters, especially seniors, and Trump’s approval on that subject is abysmal.

    Trump made a huge mistake by repeating Fox talking points instead of taking a cautious approach.

    He also made a major mistake by taking the idiotic libertarian position on drug costs which is ….. wait for it…. DO NOTHING. He may have wanted to reduce them but he didn’t actually do anything.

    These two issues alone cost him millions of votes from seniors. Every single senior in a rural area knows someone that struggles to afford drug costs. Do the Democrats have a solid plan? It doesn’t matter.

    The libertarian position is so incredibly stupid because you grant the other side the argument. You can’t say “Well I did X” because the Alisa Rosenbaum cult says any type of government spending is bad. We saw this weakness in the debate with Trump on healthcare.

    Bannon was right the whole time which is that Trump needed to ignore the libertarian wing of the party. Tell them to shut the f— up and move to Somalia if they think “minimal government” can magically fix everything.

    Trump lost this election. Yes the entire world was against him but he was out of touch on covid and health care. I think there is an underestimation here of how many Whites know that the MSM lies and hates Whites but will still put their hope in someone like Biden because they are burdened by health care bills.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  184. nickels says:

    Do the same analysis for republican senators, then lets talk.
    Any analysis of these bogus election results is pointless.

  185. Flubber says:
    @ploni almoni

    COVID Crisis?

    Its a bad flu nothing more.

    IF Cuomo et al hadn’t carried out their pogrom of elder extinctions via pushing infected seniors into care homes, the numbers would be unremarkable.

  186. @V. K. Ovelund

    Mitt Romney has a lot to answer for with people who dislike Mormons.

  187. @chet roman

    It’s not Marxism, I’m well read in Marx & Marxism. It is “Critical race theory”, which is absolute BS & which is a racist ideology against whites.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-administration-likely-overturn-120117861.html

    Joe Biden administration likely to overturn controversial Donald Trump diversity training executive order

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  188. Realist says:
    @lavoisier

    Solution: Get more and more people to understand this obvious fact and wake up from the charade.

    Then do what?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  189. @Anonymous

    You’re missing the point. While it’s true that black areas go heavily Democratic — that isn’t the issue — , the real question is how many of those votes are legit, how many are bogus?

    I don’t see how it would make much of a difference if they consistently vote 90% Democrat.

    All they have to do is make sure Black people show up to vote. Cheating really isn’t a good strategy when you have a 9 to 1 ratio.

    Now with that said Blacks will illegally use churches to promote voting or candidates but that has gone on for decades and no one does anything about it.

    What Trump needed to do was promote populist policies that benefit all workers regardless of race. EITC type give aways don’t work very well because the Democrats won’t take them away.

    Cutting EBT is also a dicey move with Blacks. You allow Democrats to tell Blacks that Trump is trying to take away momma’s breakfast. EBT is actually a small part of welfare and is supported by many rural Republicans because it subsidizes ag companies. It needs to be reformed but you have to tread carefully due to the MSM. The focus should be on disability fraud. It’s much harder for Democrats to argue against it.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  190. Wyatt says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It doesn’t hurt that finding a jew behind some fucked up event is like pulling up a carpet and finding spiders. The difference is that spiders actually have a net positive effect on their environments.

  191. Generally says:

    A point about presentation from my perspective as a person attempting to read the article, if I may:
    I think it would be better to provide your description of what you think the “Kushner strategy” was at the beginning of the article, not at the very end of the article and after presenting a giant pile of data, especially if your title is a claim about that strategy.

  192. R2b says:

    Unreadable article.
    The author suffer from sense of proportions.
    Important is what the people want.
    The potus is just secondary to that.
    Please American people, create a new platform.

  193. DaveE says:
    @Anonymous

    Unless Jewish Power is exposed, nothing real is possible.

    This is the bottom line. Thank You.

    Do whatever you can, as often as you can, to whomever you can, whenever you can – and the Truth will prevail if we can behave like an Anti-Semitic Virus and overwhelm our new “hosts”.

    Thanks again.

  194. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Mr. Enoch, you’re a funny fellow. I will mourn when you are dragged off to the specialized gulag for White Homosexual Men by President Harris’s militarized social workers.

  195. @Exalted Cyclops

    Trump did not lose the election. He won in a landslide.

  196. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The facts are now becoming overwhelming.
    Another must read take down of the all too obvious fraud:

    There is Undeniable Mathematical Evidence the Election is Being Stolen
    https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
    related:
    Mathematical impossibilities may be what trips up Democrat plans:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/mathematical_impossibilities_may_be_what_trips_up_democrat_plans.html

  197. @Realist

    Than do what?
    https://www.whatdoesitmean.com/
    Go down one third.
    Take a peek!

    • Replies: @Realist
  198. @Robert Dolan

    I actually think trump has historic performances with white men… 3.2 million votes in Pennsylvania is shocking, he turned out an extra 500k whites in that state alone.

    The polls told us that trump would lose in a landslide, and now we believe them when they say hes lost white men? I think its just another data point designed to help with the fraud.

    The fraud is so large that even dems were shocked, they didnt think theyd have to make it so obvious.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @theMann
  199. @Supply and Demand

    Even without the fraud what happened to the mighty blue wave? Where’s the Biden landslide? Trump gained with minorities in the BLM / ANTIFA era. No no anti Trump / Pro Biden “mandate.” Trump was supposed to get crushed! No Dem mandate either, they got their asses kicked down ballot across the board. They are already cannibalizing themselves. Biden will walk in basically a lame duck!

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  200. @John Johnson

    Trump did too much listening to Fauci / Berks and destroyed his biggest re election high point, the economy stupid!

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  201. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tdstype2

    Thank you China.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Troll: d dan
  202. @Supply and Demand

    So your mom died and left you one house in Dane County, which sits vacant, while your father survives and lives in a separate house? Or is he in an apartment, or a nursing home?

    Not impossible I suppose. But as someone has already expertly noticed a few cracks in your curriculum vitae, I might add that it’s a hell of a hazard to leave an inherited property uninhabited.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  203. Trinity says:
    @TMJ

    I actually agree with what you posted. Trump, like EVERY PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME AND PROBABLY EVERY PRESIDENT OF THE LAST CENTURY, did nothing “explicitly for whites.”

    Trump, just like everyone else, SURROUNDED himself with JEWS and other swamp creatures. As a White man, I really think Trump is a far cry from what we need to save this country, he is definitely a Jewish/Zionist bootlicker, and under Trump, our First Amendment has been challenged, Whites in Charlottesville went to prison for protecting themselves, our cities were burned and innocent civilians and law enforcement were attacked by (((Antifa/BLM))) thugs, etc. HOWEVER, as bad as Trump is, Harris/Biden ARE OPENLY ANTI-WHITE TO THE CORE AND MAKE NO BONES ABOUT IT.

    Give Trump credit for one thing, HE EXPOSED THE FAKE MEDIA TO THE NORMIES. Sure, half of these normies still call it the “liberal” media and some are even calling it the leftist media, but even the most dense, brainwashed of the normies will sooner or later figure out that liberals are nearly extinct and that all those leftist twits march to the orders of their Jewish masters. I am glad to see that Fox News is even on the leftist train now, sooner or later people will abandon this right vs. left, conservative vs. liberal horseshit and find out that ALL OF (((THE MEDIA))) SPEAKS WITH ONE VOICE.

    Trump offers at least some hope. IF by some miracle this guy retains the office of POTUS, he needs to show Jared (((Kushner))) the door, and have him take that dingbat Ivanka with him. Get rid of cronies like William Barr, who is nowhere to be found right now. Trump is being thrown under the bus by his “friends” in Washington, hell, the republiCANT governor of Georgia must have went into hiding. Maybe IF Trump stays, he will REALLY EXPOSE what the hell is going on. Harris/Biden? Hell, that is more of the same but EVEN WORSE for Whites. As bad as Trump was, Harris/Biden is a NIGHTMARE for Whites in America.

  204. DinoN says:

    What a Country! What a De-mock-racy!

  205. @RoatanBill

    I don’t think I said that you brought up Ayn Rand. I used her name in the description of her junk literature from whence came the absurd characters that have provided you with your inspiration, which you did bring up. I have no doubt whatsoever that you don’t know what I’m talking about. I hope that won’t in any way be an impediment to your emission of more of these hilarious “angry old conservative man” memes. It’s great stuff. The only thing funnier to me than a progressive is a conservative.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  206. This white man deficit argument makes no sense. So the democrats who oppose nearly everything US — somehow won over the white voters who might otherwise have voted for the current executive

    Nonsense.

    Someone will have to explain the Mr Kushner strategy

    • Agree: Trinity
  207. Miro23 says:

    Every cloud has a silver lining.

    In view of the gridlock in Washington, a state such as Texas could temporarily take back the powers that it originally held (in the early US). For example retain taxation and deposit it in local banks. Use it and raise their own loans to pay for extended state services such as independent state education, a state healthcare system with universal contributions/universal coverage + their independent courts with the right to hold binding referendums on state immigration, an upgraded state militia etc.
    They already have the buildings and the staff, and a political executive in place.

    Ref. Population of Texas 29 million vs. (Belgium 12M, Holland 17M, Switzerland 9M, Sweden 10M, Denmark 6M, Norway 5M – which have all had independent governments for centuries – with their own government taxation and spending).

  208. Akouo says:

    ????? I don’t get your point.
    Your whole article rests on believing that the Trump campaign blame black peope for voting Biden. I’ve never heard this from any of them, you effectively just made that up then re enforced it with ‘data’ from polls!! the same polls that are being roundly ridiculed by everyone for their inaccuracy!
    I’m no fan of Trump and especially not his son in law but I’ve seen too much evidence of dem voter fraud to believe that we can learn anything from this election ‘result’ so far. Let’s wait awhile eh?

  209. Realist says:
    @Zarathustra

    Anything short of revolution…will probably fail.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  210. theMann says:
    @ThisIsAnon153Replying

    The entire article is erroneous from beginning to end, in that it makes %ile comparisons in the Vote, when the entire vote is tainted. The methodology used to poison the vote systematically is CIA developed software used to steal the election for Bush in 2000 and 2004.

    The relevant tools are #hammer and #scorecard ,nth generation descendants of stuxnet. The CIA has a long experience using both tools to alter elections in many countries.

    https://access.redhat.com/articles/2258471

    ttps://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/sidney-powell-tom-fitton-lou-dobbs-discuss-hammer-scorecard-youtube/

    Are enough to get you started.

    ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING IS ESSENTIALLY FRAUDULENT AND MUST BE BANNED WORLDWIDE.

  211. @John Johnson

    I don’t see how it would make much of a difference if they consistently vote 90% Democrat.

    You’re talking percentages, I’m talking amount.

    Let’s say 90% of votes in a particular area goes for candidate A who is running against candidate B.

    Suppose there are 100 legal votes in that area. So, 90 would go to candidate A.

    Suppose 100 illegal votes are added to the legal 100 votes. Now, the percentage remains the same. 90% goes to candidate A.

    BUT NOW, 180 votes will go to candidate A because the illegal votes have been added.

    Look, blacks play loose and dirty. They loot stores. They feel zero guilt or shame. Black politics is beyond belief. It is essentially Third World African politics within the Western World. Blacks feel zero shame, and because they’ve not been scrutinized for so long — all they have to do is scream ‘racist voter suppression’, and GOP backs away and Jewish media eggs on the blacks — , they feel totally brazen in pulling all sorts of dirty tricks.

    So, we are not talking percentages. We are talking how many illegal votes were added to real ones.

    Otherwise, it will be a looted election.

    BVM is a like like BLM. Black Votes Matter would have us believe that Noble Blacks of Civil Rights Era mentality are struggling to be heard. No, blacks are corrupt and shameless in their dirty tricks. And this utter corruption has been weaponized by vicious Jews who know that they only need to cry ‘racism’ to stop GOP scrutiny in the tracks.

    This has to stop.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  212. @Gordo

    Loads of people who passed away, sometimes decades ago, turned out to vote for Biden.

    Assuming Trump’s people will be allowed access to voter records, this is the easiest type of election fraud to suss out, and Trump has the personal resources to fund the challenge. If the number of such invalid ballots exceeds the margin of victory in the states where Biden won, Trump has a reasonable basis for urging that the election be re-run.

  213. Although I voted for Trump because the alternative seemed even worse – rather the buffoon I know than the unknown string pullers of a corpse – Trump lost me on most of the major issues. His judicial appointments, perhaps his one saving grace, may flop too. Time will tell. But the biggest disappointment for me was his hapless, hands off approach to the months of destruction and rioting in the blue states. I realize the Democratic governors refused to call in the National Guard. But Trump had other weapons at his disposal. Why weren’t the Antifa ringleaders who coordinated the disturbances rounded up under RICO and prosecuted and their money chests confiscated? Who were the big monied backers of all of that? Why weren’t the Civil Rights laws invoked to prosecute all of the state and local officials who denied their citizens equal protection of the laws that protect their lives and property from the depredation of the mobs? As President and chief executive, Trump’s first and foremost duty was to protect the people from all enemies, domestic and foreign. He went AWOL at that critical time. He mouthed slogans about law and order, but proved himself spineless and ineffectual to do anything. Tweeting is not acting when resolute action is called for. Perhaps the deep state (DOJ) tied Trump’s hands from utilizing the federal criminal process in this area like in so many others. But how many whites voted for Biden as a gesture of guilt and surrender because Trump turned out to be a paper tiger and proved unable to protect the people from the mob?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  214. @Rufus Clyde

    Why not address the main thrust of my post; that the white man is the source of everything that works in the country and gets not only no credit, but is constantly attacked just for being alive.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  215. @Exalted Cyclops

    I agree with most of what you said but the Hindoo-Dindoo won’t be stomping on anyone’s face forever out here in mountain lion country, whether she gladly wants to do it or not…in fact likely she’d be scared crap-less to even think about coming out to the mountains of far west Texas, and I DON’T mean El Paso! “Home of the last frontier” a local radio station says, and true Christian to boot!–in a Hispanic-majority area, BTW.

    • Replies: @Exalted Cyclops
  216. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [AKA "Anonymous"] says:

    Some of the most severely deluded people in the entire world, are those people who have watched the criminal activity of the Democrat party leaders and those connected to them during the past four years and yet voted for these people anyway. And these are just the things the criminal media dared show on TV. The things they did not censor. It would seem that the rioting, looting, burning, even murder, of innocent people, ALL APPROVED OF BY THE DNC leadership, did not move voters intent on hating president Trump in the slightest bit. Truly, they will receive their rewards when Biden’s house of criminal cards come falling down.

  217. Mr. Anon says:
    @anon

    MAGA’tard: Trumpslide cometh!

    OD: No Trumpslide coming.

    Election: Biden wins.

    MAGA’tard: Man, you OD guys really beclowned yourselves.

    That ain’t me. I fully expected Biden to win. He probably did win (he probably also cheated on top of that). And he will be the President come January. I never expected much from Trump, and he delivered on my expectations. But I never imagined that supporting Andrew Yang, UBI, and the Democratic party was a viable alternative. I like a lot Hunter’s analysis – there ain’t much there I disagree with – but he seems prone to flit around from one fad to another, and his hysterical reaction to what amounts to the Asian Flu was extremely off-putting.

    And his commentariat does indeed consist of a lot of retards and psychos; he deserves better.

  218. meamjojo says:
    @Jay Fink

    That might be true. I wasn’t happy with ANY of the Dem nominees and I honestly did not think that Biden would have been able to beat Trump. It was only Trump’s flailing about re: his Covid-19 response that provided Biden with the opportunity to drive a sword through the cult armor of Trump. So I say thanks to Covid-19!

    The question is/was ‘How DO you battle a cult figure’? Someone like Trump that so many continue to embrace in the face of all the many negatives against him? Talk about drinking the kool-aid! If I owned a company, I would fire anyone who supported Trump, on the principle that by choosing Trump, they did’t have the intelligence I would want from my employees.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  219. Mr. Anon says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Precisely. I think a sliver of the people who voted Trump in 2016 simply passed away. In Georgia and the Midwest, this was enough to deliver a slim majority to Biden.

    That’s quite possibly true. People don’t factor in death enough when considering demographics. That’s one of the reasons that California became so liberal – it wasn’t just that liberals moved there, it was that the old Eisenhower Republicans who elected Ronald Reagan, George Deukmajian, and Pete Wilson died out.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @frontier
    , @James Forrestal
  220. We live in the age of mass conspiracy, or consensuspiracy. It’s an oxymoron as a conspiracy is understood to be a secret plot hatched by those hiding in the dark.

    But a mass conspiracy is possible in the age of the Hive Mind when most media outlets, deep state, academia, and politicians are worship the same idols, obey the same bosses(Jews), and share the same biases. Their conviction, status-consciousness, opportunism, and/or cravenness are all of one kind, one color.

    Take Russia Collusion Hoax. Surely, many in government knew it was fake. Many in media knew it was fake. Many watching Rachel Maddow knew it was fake. But they all wink-wink went along with the knowledge that Trump is a bad, bad guy and must be stopped by any means necessary.

    Mass conspiracy can’t be about all these people getting together and hatching a plot since a room can only fit so many people. But, if so many people agree with a certain agenda, see it as totally necessary, and have a particular bogeyman in mind, they will wink-wink understand what the elites are up to and GO ALONG.

    We saw this with Covid. While many people were fooled, many people who went along with lockdowns, masks, and the whole BS knew it was hysteria, a wild exaggeration, and mania. But they wink-wink understood that the elites were trying to destroy the Trump economy and went along. Even out in the open, they wore masks to show solidarity. A face banner than a mask. Now, look at all these people without masks celebrating Trump’s loss. They knew it all along.

    It’s one thing be fooled, and there will always be fools. But there are many who people who know what the elites are really up to and happily go along. And social media allows for more Hive Mentality as so many are connected to twitter and smart phones. Their minds work more like those of bees than humans. They pick up signals. So, when the elites push something, they pick up signals, “agenda against bad orange man” and go along.

    Now, a rational people would be less likely to feel and act this way, but most people are not rational. They are emotional, idolatrous, craven, and anxious.

    So, if many people emotionally worship ‘wokeness’, their ‘spiritual’ passion will make them favor the holy icon over the truth. It’s like many people know BLM is rationally and factually bunk but go along with it anyway since they worship the Magic Negro as idol. Blackness is so holy that the hive-soul of sanctity made so many people go along with the nonsense.

    Due to Jewish control of media, so many Americans share the same idols and same convictions.
    Just like people were willing to do anything for God, many today are willing to do anything for the new gods of Jews, blacks, and homos. Those three groups are sacred, therefore appeasing them is the highest value regardless of facts or reason.

    But even when it comes to factuality, there is a hive mind because of Jewish control of media. Even people who try to be rational and factual must rely on the existing media, and if Jews tell lies and push them as facts, many people will accept them as facts. Even if these people have no particular political agenda or favored idol, they may accept as ‘facts’ what the establishment community pushes on them. Fauci is put forth as an ‘expert’ who knows the facts, and Jew-run news media put him on the air before countless millions. So, the result is a hive mind on facts.

    For the more cunning types, they go along with the Plot out of opportunism and status-consciousness. So, if you work in the media and are skeptical Russia Collusion Hoax or Covid, you still go along with it because you know Jews got the power and one must appease Jews to get ahead.
    So, this leads to hive mind of opportunism. As Jews control so much, so many careerists and opportunists feel a need to appease the same kind of people.
    No wonder both Dems and Repubs are totally for Jews, Jews, Jews.

    And there is the hive mind of fear. If you displease Jews, they might not only not promote you but purge you, blacklist you, and drive you out of town. And so many will do the bidding of Jews out of the hive mind of conviction, opportunism, and/or fear. Everyone fears Jews. Hive of fear.

    2020 is the mother of all years of mass conspiracy. Covid that undid Trump was a plot hatched from the top but with the participation of countless who, wink wink, understood it was a Plot Against Trump. Not only the medical community but Wall Street and libraries and nobodies in the streets who, despite economic setbacks, went along because they knew it would undermine Trump.

  221. @Niebelheim

    But the biggest disappointment for me was his hapless, hands off approach to the months of destruction and rioting in the blue states. I realize the Democratic governors refused to call in the National Guard.

    Actually, that was good of Trump. Let the blues destroy the blues, and let them suffer. And may the spectacle turn people away from BLM.

    Now, Trump could have acted if he had the government on his side, but the deep state and media were prepared to call him dictator and murderer if he did anything to control the violence.

    When the blue forest is burning, let it burn. Do you feel sorry for St. Paul and Portland?

    I don’t.

    • Agree: PhilK
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Niebelheim
  222. @Realist

    Yes? But start a revolution at not at right time will fail also. And the failure will be catastrophic.
    The only successful time to start a revolution will be when Biden starts a war with Iran. than antiwar demonstrations (Which will be fully justified) can be changed to successful revolution.

    • Replies: @Realist
  223. Not Raul says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I agree with the first half of your comment; but I don’t think that the Democrats will win the Senate in 2022.

    With a Democrat in the White House and Republican control of the Senate, Republicans will rediscover the Debt Ceiling.

    This might lead to government shutdowns, and/or austerity, which will hurt the economy, and the President’s party tends to be punished when the economy suffers.

    Trump might be tempted to run again in 2024.

    • Replies: @Flubber
  224. @AceDeuce

    Being largely products of Murika’s fine edumacation system*, the utterly gaslighted, indoctrinated ‘normies’ are quite incapable of thinking that far ahead. They’re lucky the know how to use a toilet at this point. Even so, I suspect more of them simply refused to vote at all than took the trouble to cast votes for Used-Depends Joe & d’Ho.

    *Education is a weapon whose results depend upon who is holding it an at whom it is aimed. – Stalin

  225. @Mr. Anon

    no, Brad nailed it: Trump spent 4 years shitting on the Whites who voted for him, while

    sucking Jewish dick
    kissing black ass
    and massaging spics. Trump thought, as do all Republiscams,

    that Whites had nowhere else to go. He

    was wrong. Adios,

    Drumpf. And

    hello Kamala!

    see if you can grok this, Trumpchumps:

    acceleration is our friend.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @Katrinka
    , @Stonehands
  226. @RoatanBill

    that the white man is the source of everything that works in the country and gets not only no credit

    That is precisely why he the white man must be browbeaten. If white men do so much and feel proud of what they do, they will want to be in change of themselves and their nation. It might mean they will say NO to whatever Jews want or demand of them. So, whites must be burdened with guilt IF Jews are to keep controlling them.

    ‘White Guilt’ is like psychological equivalent of debt-servitude. Those European goyim who became indebted to Jews had to work and work and work to pay off the debt. They were essentially debt-servants to the Jews. Even powerful guys like Winston Churchill became debt-toy to Jews.
    So, if you become a debt-slave, you never really own your labor. Whatever you do, you gotta be paying off the Jew.

    ‘White Guilt’ works the same way. It’s about psychological debt. Jews tell you that YOU AS WHITEY is to be burdened with historical guilt of ‘racism’, ‘antisemitism’, and blah blah blah. So, you must work for OTHERS as Jews see fit. You must work to pay off Holocaust Debt forever. You must work to pay off Slavery Debt and whatever else debt.
    And unless that debt is paid off, which is never, you have no right to be proud or free or whatever. Just keep your head bowed low and work and serve the Jewish massuh.
    ‘White Guilt’ means you’re a mental debt-slave of the Jews.

    Because white men are so useful, Jews deny them freedom and pride. Jews make sure whites feel the guilt and work for Jews, fight wars for Jews, and roll over for Jews.

    But were white southern slave owners any different? Black slaves did a lot of backbreaking work. So, were they made to feel pride and sense of independence for their contribution?
    NO. If blacks were made to feel pride of their work and contribution, they would have asked for freedom and independence. In other words, work for their own black interest than for the white massuh.
    So, whites filled blacks with ‘black shame’. “You blacks were like apes before we turned you into slaves. You were cannibal savages without God and culture before we whites guided you to work and worship Jesus.” Black Shame said blacks don’t deserve to be free unless savagery is finally drummed out of them… which was meant to be never.

    Jews are the massuhs now, and they want YOU to serve them, not be proud and independent and decide your own fate. Don’t be uppity, goy.

    This is why you need White Liberation from Jewish Supremacism. This is why you need White Emancipation and White Independence. You need Whitexit and Goyexit.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  227. @Priss Factor

    Black politics is beyond belief. It is essentially Third World African politics within the Western World

    Most Black areas resemble the third world. No contention here. Even Bernie Sanders acknowledged this. But I don’t see a good strategy in trying to obsess over fraud in Detroit or Chicago. Since they vote 90% it makes more sense to try and take that down to 70% instead of trying to track fraud. I honestly think most liberal activists in those areas aren’t savvy enough to commit fraud and use the safer strategy of bussing Blacks to the polls.

    But what you are basically saying is that fraud allowed Biden to inch over the finish line instead of Trump.

    I am saying there would be no inching over the finish line if Trump had appealed to more White voters or more groups. He could have won with 60% if he had played this right.

    This GOP strategy of trying to inch across with the traditional groups is doomed to fail in the long term and eliminating fraud would not change anything.

    The wiser strategy to stop giving the left so many talking points. Reduce drug prices for seniors and get away from this inane libertarian position of telling people that the status quo is the best we can do. The wealthy don’t favor the GOP in a lot of states so I really don’t get this strategy of resisting any attempt at taxing them. A few billionaires fund around half of the far-left and yet the GOP still acts like the ultra-wealthy are part of the alliance.

    In fact the libertarian strategy of doing nothing about health care and protecting the wealthy is so awful that you have to wonder if it is engineered that way. It’s a gift to liberals. Following the libertarian cult is a way to continue off the cliff. We tried globalist capitalist plans in Africa and they didn’t turn the place into America as libertarians predicted. As I have pointed out many times not a single Bantu country has reached living standards equal to that of 1980s GDR.

  228. utu says:

    Trump lost because Democrats were more efficient in ballot harvesting than Republicans. Ballot harvesting was made possible by Covid-19 situation.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885
    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.

    Democrats were more efficient because they were motivate by 24/7 incessant anti-Trump media campaign and false poll results promising that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami of votes. The Tsunami did not materialize. That Biden won by very small margins in AZ, WI, MI, PA, GA shows how wrong the polls were and how resistant Trump supporters were to the anti-Trump 24/7 media barrage.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.

    Even Joe Scarborough agrees that Democrats performed poorly:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html

  229. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    I think you’ve got a bit of both tbh. Voter fraud and failure of the Kushner strategy.

    Here is a comment I wrote earlier on Sailer’s blog. Just one data point, but I think it’s representative.

    To be honest I made the effort to vote last time but not this time. Too much “a beautiful big door in the wall” and Kushnerism after the election. Was actually going to vote but was very busy and missed the deadline for absentee ballots. Would have voted Trump though.

    Trump disavowed white supremacism once too much for me. To be honest white supremacism sounds better for me than Jewish supremacism or non-white supremacism, which is what we have now. And if you went to 4chan, or even thedonald.win (formerly the_donald subreddit), Kushner somehow failed to capture the meme magic of the 2016 effort. Not surprising really. Now the_donald is just low rent JIDF, it’s not random high IQ white males coming up with memes themselves, because they can’t be bothered.

    Even Breitbart is kinda low energy this election.

    One other thing, Trump really missed the likes of Manafort this election.

  230. @omegabooks

    You could be right, and sometimes folks forget that at least half of the Texians who defeated Santa-Ana’s armies were those who would be termed ‘hispanic’ under the rules cooked up by the Nixon Justice Dept’s for their newly invented race. Cubans and old Spanish Catholic families in Texas are very different from Honduran indios in Jew-led invasion ‘caravans’ crossing the border. I will say this for Trump, he at least is refusing to accept the Mockingbird Media’s coronation of Used-Depends Joe. Hope he actually follows though on the tough talk for once. Principles from The Art of the Deal don’t work with those who’ve perfected The Art of the Steal.

  231. Trump ran as a Republican rather than as a Nationalist. Running as a Nationalist does not preclude minority outreach; but running as a Republican is too bland.

  232. Tucker says:
    @Greg Bacon

    I am sort of looking forward to what the red state dwelling, passionately pro-Second Amendment and owners of all those AR-15s and the other firearms that Camel Toe and her Alzheimer’s infected sidekick will do when these Commies actually try to ban their favorite sporting rifles.

    We hear a lot of boasting coming from this crowd, but I am waiting to see if they have the balls to refuse to surrender them. Oh, and all those cops who this same crowd tends to blindly worship – will be following orders given to them by Camel Toe, and they will obediently participate in midnight raids on people’s homes when the confiscation orders come down from Commie Camel Toe.

    It occurs to me that, should a few dozen of these confiscation raids wind up resulting in body bags being sent back to Headquarters – it would not be long before cops stopped volunteering to participate in these raids.

    Isn’t that what Solzhenitsyn opined about?

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  233. semeonx says:

    re “SHAME ON WHITE SCUM WHO VOTED FOR ALZHEIMER’S PATIENT CROOK BIDEN; LEFT WING MEDIA’S TACTIC EXPOSED”

    1. White scum. your sad mentality is on full display with that comment.
    2. They (White men), did to Trump what they did to Hillary, Gave trump the middle finger
    and voted for Biden or stayed away.
    3. Im not American and so didnt vote. Had i been i would not have anyway because i have long
    been aware of the 2 sided con that is run by your elites.

  234. @Priss Factor

    When the blue forest is burning, let it burn. Do you feel sorry for St. Paul and Portland?

    I don’t.

    Neither do I and I don’t believe that the riots changed the election.

    Liberals in cities like St. Paul have proven that they will double down on their White guilt based theories when there are riots. In their minds it’s the fault of Whites for angering Blacks and that Antifa is an understandable reaction.

    The small business owners in these cities are cult members. A small coffee shop owner in Portland will not vote for Trump even his business burns. People that support cracking down on rioters don’t live in Portland. They have already moved away.

    We saw this in St. Paul where they want to get rid of the mayor for not defunding the police. They want to bring in an even further left mayor.

    The best response to the riots was to make it clear to the public that riots are not the responsibility of the federal government. Trump didn’t do a good job of this but I don’t think it mattered.

    Liberalism is a White guilt cult and most of their beliefs related to race are emotional. They aren’t receptive to rational actions or explanations. Most of them in fact cannot process information to emotionally charged issues like the floyd case. I was in a liberal discussion and they had a hard time with even acknowledging that he tried to pass fake bills even though they were in evidence and not denied by the defense.

  235. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Legal analysis: The Supreme Court justices do not want to cause the insane half of the country to erupt, and even more important to them, do not want pots and pans banging and megaphones blaring in the middle of the night on their streets.

  236. SC Rebel says:
    @Wally

    Anyone that has been a regular visitor to his website knows the downward spiral he has taken from his rabid Kung Flu scare articles to his frequent quoting of the MSM.

    So his reliance on CNN statistics should not surprise.

    As for Trump, he was never pro white and anyone that expected that is an idiot.

    The best that Trump can do is slightly slow down the inevitable march towards the destruction of the white race.

    Is that enough reason to vote for him, is the question.

  237. @Anonymous

    Kushner somehow failed to capture the meme magic of the 2016 effort. Not surprising really. Now the_donald is just low rent JIDF, it’s not random high IQ white males coming up with memes themselves, because they can’t be bothered.

    I suspect a lot of those Whites didn’t volunteer this time around because of the virus.

    Trump in 2016 was an amusing stick in the eye of the media and DNC.

    Dragging his feet on the virus was hard to watch. A lot of those internet Whites probably voted for him but didn’t volunteer their time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  238. @Priss Factor

    For the vast majority of the US population, they won’t do anything about their ever worsening situation until they are forced by circumstances to act. White people, in particular, have a lot to lose because they worked their asses off to get a taste of a reasonable life. The US blacks, imported foreigners, illegals, and the entirety of the Fed Gov, both Republicans and Democrats, are determined to squeeze working white people for everything they are worth. That trend is crystal clear, at least to me.

    Only when they lose their home, when their savings become near worthless, when their neighborhood deteriorates, when their children are called for the draft, etc, is when things get real. This won’t happen to everyone at once, so TPTsB are counting on a slow and steady decimation of the population, especially white people. The AI push, robotics, IOT, decline of blue collar jobs, etc is the slow burn that’s going to boil the frogs.

    The political situation this year is something I could never have imagined. When 911 happened and the Gestapo and SS were instantiated via Homeland Security, the Patriot act, etc, is when I decided the US was headed down a road I wanted no part of and I left. If Texas seceded and went to 100% sound money instead of bullshit currency, I’d consider moving back.

    The only option left for the average person is to stop cooperating in some organized fashion to get rid of the Fed Gov or leave. The US is a dead man walking and when it crashes, it’s going to crush anyone with dollars or living inside the US’s jurisdiction.

  239. FLgeezer says:
    @prime noticer

    Great post prime noticer. I noticed ((them)) also. They are so deeply embedded that I’m afraid that our once great republic is done for. I’m glad I’m a geezer for I think worse is still to come.
    When Harris becomes POTUS it will be open war on white people.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  240. TomJel says:

    I clicked on the article because I thought it would review what specifically the Kushner strategy was, and why it failed. All I got was a bunch of name-calling, and citing of voting patterns. It was as though it was written by a Democrat. Waste of time.

    • Agree: utu
  241. SC Rebel says:
    @Tucker

    Brad is Brad. For months it was all Kung Flu wall to wall with him, until he lost visitors because of it, then he switched to Orange Man bad.

    It’s a shame because I think very highly of Brad and I don’t agree with you about him being low IQ. His best stuff he has written was on Christianity. It’s a shame because it’s been a long time since he’s written about that. He is a smart guy.

    What you say about incrementalism has merit. I will confess that I did actually vote for Trump, not because he is pro white, because he isn’t, but because he can hold back the inevitable, ever so slightly, to give us more time.

    The real problem is that we had the past 4 years to prepare and organize and we didn’t do it, so what are the prospects that we would use the next 4 years productively, should Trump win this thing in the courts?

    But then again, the forces aligned against us are great. That’s why now more than ever we need to turn to the Lord. We can’t win without Him.

  242. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    COVID is a good point.

    With an appropriate response, the USA could have gotten on top of COVID like Australia has. The USA is not far from being an island if a coordinated response from Canada was also achieved. It would have been a great reason (not pretext, not excuse) to shut down the borders, hard. A wall with Mexico could have been justifiable on that basis.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    You would have had to shut down interstate travel (not freight) in order to do it. Then it’s up to the governors to solve it in their states. If you want to solve it, that’s how. It’s an embarrassment that the USA, the same country that put men on the moon and created nuclear weapons, is being defeated by a pandemic. Moreover, the MAGAtards decided that protesting against mouth diapers was more important than immigration.

    My view, after calming down about it (initially I was pissed off especially about the voter fraud) – why did Trump lose the election? In no particular order.
    1) Abandoning the Sailer Strategy for the Kushner Strategy (rebranded Rove strategy with more charismatic front man).
    2) Poor Coronavirus response.
    3) Voter Fraud.

    Perhaps 3 was enough to tip the election. I think he would have still won despite that if not for reasons 1 or 2.

    I hope Tarrant was right that accelerationism is the way to go, because we are going to see more of that with Biden I believe. It would be a nice time, having established that they are indeed in control by installing Biden in with a bloodless coup, for our Jewish overlords to try a detente with their host, white people. That would require having more brains than chutzpah though.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  243. Trinity says:

    Maybe Kushner was that “snake” that Trump was always talking about, DUH, ya think?

    IF Dementia Joe & The Ho pull this one off, I can’t say that I will be that sad to see Javanka leave.

    Trump, like all the others before him was surrounded by Jews to the left and Jews to the right, and he was stuck in the middle with you. hehe. Shout out to Steely Dan and AC/DC.

    White men have to go back, jack, do it again, and retake this land from people who have no loyalty to this nation whatsoever, IF not, America is history.

    And by White men, I don’t mean people like Linda Grahamnesty, Bitch McConnell, or Biff Romney.

    Frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing some old white dude or some white woman up there saying what he or she is going to do for Israel, blah, blah, blah…. What he is going to do for Blacks, “Latinos,” how we must fight “anti-Semitism,” blah, blah, blah….

    I bet you will NEVER hear Caramel Harris say what she intends to do for Whites in America or address Black on White violence, or say how we will end affirmative action because it discriminates against White males.

  244. I like your premise because it emphasizes the importance of the white male vote. Truly the only silver lining to be gleaned from this mess.

    OTOH if 150 million (or whatever the number is) actually voted, and Trump improved in other demographics, wouldn’t white men have had to come out in unprecedented numbers for Joe? If they sat it out it’s questionable either candidate would have gotten over 70 million votes. It’s too big a demographic. Either they voted or the steal was too big for Trump’s formidable support to overcome.

    Are white men really that vindictive? Or is my impression off?

  245. MarkinLA says:

    We have a stupid ill informed electorate that is easily swayed by propaganda. My Dad would have crawled over broken glass to vote for Biden but can’t tell you one reason why he supports him. He hated Trump because Trump may have stiffed some contractors, Trump didn’t pay any taxes, and “Trump lies all the time” but every instance he claims is Trump lying is some quote they took of Trump severely edited and taken out of context. He doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand Trump’s business practices but thinks he does because he was a small contractor.

    The country has millions of these people. Normally, most don’t bother to vote but with mail in voting and “ballot harvesters” they have this time. They may have cast their votes based on nothing more than somebody telling them Trump is a racist.

    With the media completely against him it was impossible to control what people saw. Even if Trump got the same percentage of the white male vote as last time, all those harvested black and Hispanic votes (that didn’t vote last time) would still likely overwhelm them. You can’t win by getting 30% of the extra 10 million votes that came out, something the Republicans can’t seem to figure out by constantly looking to amnesty more illegals.

    Yes, Trump was worthless on immigration, Yes, he should have ended Critical Race Theory in the government on day one. Yes, he should have realized that Ryan and McConnell were not on his side. However, if you allow everybody in a banana republic to vote expect to get people like Biden elected.

    • Agree: Mark G., lavoisier
  246. You are assuming the veracity of a fraudulent election. That’s absurd.
    The votes have to be counted again in the face of so many irregularities. Simply that. The fraud has been massive.

  247. @Anonymous

    Trump really missed the likes of Manafort this election

    Not protecting, or even appearing to give much of a damn for the people who worked for you like Manafort and Stone, is going to have consequences if you need their like in the future.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  248. @Lucius Somesuch

    My parents did what boomers do and divorced, in 1993 if you must know. My mother inherited a raised ranch from her folks, as she was the only child, and following her death from Lupus I inherited the home because I am an only child. Is it that hard to fathom, or is this some form of metastasizing cope on your part?

    My father has maintained a rather independent financial life post divorce. He owns a home with his 2nd wife. If you’re talking about my property being uninhabited, it isn’t. I rent it out to a family member who is rebounding. Hopefully my daughter will take ownership of it in the future.

    Some people come from reasonably upper-middle class backgrounds. I am one of them, and much like my cohort, voted for Joe Biden.

    I’m happy to answer any particular questions about my CV. If you want to include your email, I will send it to you. It is bilingual.

  249. Druid55 says:
    @GMC

    This is why i now consider america a 2 nd world country. We are advanced technologically, but we’re morally and ethically bankrupt!

    • Agree: Trinity
  250. MarkinLA says:
    @Anon

    who all told him to ride out Covid-19 as “just the flu” and it cost him the election,

    The problem with this is there is NOTHING Trump could do with the media we have. What exactly is the correct thing to do? We are destroying the lives of young people so that some seniors with one foot in the grave can live a few months longer. No matter what Trump does the media claims it is a mistake. Biden just rambles on about masks and tests and says he would do better. Of course, he doesn’t have to prove anything just make unsupported claims. Europe is closing down again. If Trump was so stupid why are they doing so?

    We have a stupid electorate that cannot understand the problem with all its facets. Trump tried to get that message out but the people are too stupid to understand it.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @anon
  251. frontier says:
    @Mr. Anon

    People don’t factor in death enough

    You misspelled “public education”…

  252. @VinnyVette

    Sounds good to me, Vicente! That’s exactly what I voted for.

  253. @Bombercommand

    Yes, it’s called having a robust family life you dullard. Cousins, man.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  254. @Priss Factor

    But they all wink-wink went along with the knowledge that Trump is a bad, bad guy and must be stopped by any means necessary.

    I liken this to a, “herding,” or, “school of fish, ” effect that seems prevalent on the Left and nowhere to be found on the Right.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  255. “Are white men really that vindictive?”

    If your impression is the premise makes no sense, based on the surface or the data provided, you are correct. And in my estimation, white are not so stupid to ignore or miss the fundamental argument, that regardless of the current executives mistakes correct or not —

    they may not choose to vote. But they would not vote for a party that seeks to silence them altogether.

    I suspect they voted.

    • Replies: @Paintersforms
  256. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    Griffin is trying to use UNRELATED ISSUES TO BUILD A FAKE ARGUMENT…Nevertheless the FACTS are undeniable…trucks full of ballots for dead people at least 100 dated January, o1..1901…all marked for Biden..500K new votes for Biden between 1am-4am..WTF??? .Popeye, Mickey Mouse voted using mail in ballots,,, thats the ultimate insult to all deplorable americans…they think we ar all stupid goys..American democracy was gang raped sodomized …teh republic is dead…we are moving into an orwellian dark winter..

  257. MarkinLA says:
    @Hossein

    What were those racially “divisive” policies?

  258. @Exalted Cyclops

    They’re lucky the know how to use a toilet at this point.

    Yup.

    Anyone who disagrees should go stand in the checkout line at the nearest grocery store or in line at the Post Office.

  259. Doris says:

    04:30
    As Caesar’s trusted friend, Decimus was by his side 24/7.
    This allowed him to provide the co conspirators with insight into the dictator state of mind.
    It also let him manipulate Caesar’s state of mind to the co conspirators’ will.

  260. @MarkinLA

    Still frothing at the mouth about how those old huwhite fools should just fucking die.
    Hahaha
    Holy fucking shit.

    This is huwhite identity. This is huwhite nationalism right fucking here folks. Fuck huwhite grandmas, love my based niggers like lil pimp or kayne though.

    You have to wonder if all of this is divine comedy.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  261. Rich says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Biden will grant amnesty by executive order and the judges who run the US will allow it. It’s a done deal, we’ll be a dystopian Brazil sooner rather than later. I’m betting on 50 million Latin Americans immigrating. I wonder how American blacks will handle being ignored by the new majority? At least that’s a benefit of what’s coming. Practica tu Espanol.

  262. @prime noticer

    Hi prime noticer,

    Who are these “africans” you referenced? Certainly, you are not implying that noncitizen Africans voted in our election?

  263. anon[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @ConqueringFools

    And how many of those people died WITH covid and not FROM covid you epic moron!!!

    How many people who died of gunshot wounds died of blood loss and not from the gunshot itself? You guys aren’t very bright, are you?

    Leave the heavy patriotic lifting to those of us who prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Pussy!!! Millions of young men went off to die at the outbreak of WWII…..millions died from the Spanish flu. And limp wristed fairies like you want to cower and destroy the US over a virus that affects 0.1 percent of the population

    Socially inept ‘spergs like this guy cost you the election. Seniors took one look at that kind of vile commentary from keyboard warriors like this and voted for Joe Biden. I hope this guy shows the same bravery as future president AOC hauls him off to a concentration camp. It’ll be a mystery to him how it happened. “But I was right about Covid. Old people should die for the economy. It’s logical. I’m not affected! How is this happening? I just wanna live my life. Waa … I’m gonna miss grilling season

    What kind of imbecile sacrifices his queen for a pawn? That’s your average covid ‘sperg. Piss away a winnable election when everything is at stake. Great job.

    • Replies: @ConqueringFools
  264. anon[971] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette

    Trump ran a bad campaign but sleepy Joe ran a kick-ass campaign from his basement right?

    True. Biden avoided making too many gaffs by staying in his basement and letting events play out to his favor — Covid, for instance. Trump constantly made a fool of himself by giving unnecessary interviews to a hostile press. Trump had rallies, but Biden got the votes and won.

  265. MarkinLA says:
    @HeebHunter

    No asshole, I am talking about kids not going to school pretending to on Zoom and learning nothing. I am talking about near empty college campuses and the businesses surrounding college towns going broke. I guess their lives aren’t nearly as important as all those people who went to Woodstock but who now want all music festivals cancelled as they might be super-spreaders. I am talking about everybody putting their lives on hold for people who have already lived theirs.

    I am reminded of the picture of old ladies in wheel chairs at the old folks home with the signs saying “I’d rather die from Covid than loneliness”.

    Nobody knows when this will end. More people are dying from psychological problems due to drug abuse and financial issues than from Covid.

  266. @alt right moderate

    Saturday was a beautiful day, but I wanted to get some OT, so I went to work. In my travels, I saw several restored classics, even a Ferrari, conveying smiling, silver-haired couples. Those images told the story.

    One last hurrah for the end times of demographic replacement, plague, and communist revolution.

    Pepe beats the odds by beating the narrative. That’s a different story for a different generation. Trump went the boomercon route, and got burned. I’m not sure Pepe wants to pull his bacon out of the fire this time.

    • Replies: @Paintersforms
  267. Flubber says:
    @Not Raul

    I love the wishful thinking displayed here.

    Do you think if the Dems get away with the cheating in this election, there will ever be another fair election?

    Jesus, the Dems couldn’t even wait for the Demographic replacement to kick in and guarantee them perpetual power, now they’ll just cheat their way there.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  268. @Sollipsist

    The inferior masses love to think they can directly influence the world, as hammered into their brain by propaganda.
    Such perfect control mechanism, no? Convince the goyim that the “pen is mightier than the sword”, disarm the goyim physically and psychologically.
    Sometimes I think to myself, we deserve this. For being weak and criminally stupid, like those shitty ass slavs back in the revolutions.

  269. @Priss Factor

    It’s not a matter of feeling sorry for St Paul and Portland Trump is a big mouthed weakling rather than strong chief executive. He confirmed for all country to see Little Marco’s quip about his having small hands. Speak loudly and carry a little stick.

  270. @EliteCommInc.

    Agreed. White men voting for the hammer down to make a point would be seriously self destructive and makes no sense, especially when they did the opposite four years ago. I could see sitting it out, but again, the numbers are too big.

    Something does not add up, which lends credence to the steal. Either that or voters are media-programmed robots. I smell a rat somewhere.

  271. dimples says:
    @The Real World

    I think Biden will be given a fair run of a year or so unless the computer hard drive from hell becomes an urgent problem.

  272. @Rational

    Unz needs to quit with these bullshit “Biden did not cheat” articles. It’s obvious from the numbers and how the votes arrived how it was done.

    What do you say when someone says “who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?”

    Your answer should always be “Fuck off”

    • Thanks: Trinity
  273. @Trinity

    Bullsheet on doctors!!!! Maybe top 10. The world and humanity existed fine for thousands of years before allopathic medicine. Engineers are pretty important.

    • Replies: @Druid
  274. @Paintersforms

    Pepe might decide to pull his own bacon out of the fire, though. If that’s the case, those Ferrari drivers had better hide the pillows.

  275. @anon

    Fuk seniors!!! 65+ generations have run this country into the ground!!! Gunshot wound and blood loss? You are as senile as all the old geezers you are defending dope!!! The boomers are some of the most self absorbed, enfranchised, spoiled generation that has ever lived.

  276. Realist says:
    @Zarathustra

    Yes? But start a revolution at not at right time will fail also. And the failure will be catastrophic.

    That is true and guerrilla tactics are the only way to go.

    The only successful time to start a revolution will be when Biden starts a war with Iran. than antiwar demonstrations (Which will be fully justified) can be changed to successful revolution.

    Sadly I see little interest in confronting the Deep State…here on TUR or any where else for that matter. Pissing and moaning seems to be the order of the day.

  277. Meimou says:
    @Flubber

    1. The POTUS isn’t really in charge of foriegn policy.

    2. In any case he couldn’t just do whatever he wanted, there is Russia and China to consider.

  278. @European

    His name was Ron Paul but he was a “bad speaker”
    and came off as the “old kooky guy”, so never had a chance. Americans are too stupid to see real change when its staring them in the face. Look at Europe, lol except for a few Eastern hold outs most of European leaders are a total clown show of feminists, commies, pedos, homos, and limp wristed jews.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  279. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @DCThrowback

    Actually, we said it was the Flu (+). Nice straw man though.

    It was no straw man. I was here on this board when people were saying the whole thing was a hoax.

    “It’s just the flu, bro.”

    “The Chinese made it in a lab.”

    “They’re making up the death count.”

    “All the people who died from Covid really just died from the flu.”

    They used the word “hoax” to describe it. They still do. Nice deflection, though. You offer an unnecessary qualification to make your side look better than it was. You’re trying to imply some kind of sophisticated commentary was going on, but that’s not true at all. Paul Ramsey was telling his supporters on Twitter to shame people wearing masks in public and to “punch them” because they’re cucks. Pretty much the same commentary was offered by the rest of this crowd.

    “Drumpf is going to win AZ after they count the last 100k ballots. “

    No, he won’t. He also won’t win Pennsylvania, a state where seniors flipped due to his poor Covid response. Arizona was only close in the first place because seniors flipped. Face it. Your side had a narrative, and it cost your orange emperor the election. That was totally foreseeable.

    “In August, they thought 10% of Americans had COVID-19 (try 2%) and that over 1M people had died. Try 200k …”

    Big difference. Only a measly 200,000+ dead when the pandemic is still nowhere near finished. I’m sure that’ll make seniors feel better. /s

    [checks election results] Nope.

    Hilarious projection. Railing against lockdowns is more accurate description of people on this website.

    That’s not a projection. There were people on this website and across the internet who said old people should die because they’re “dead wood.” That’s an actual phrase someone used on this website. The author of this article had people leaving comments on his website stating millions of people dying should never prevent them from “living their lives.” Breitbart ran an article claiming that old people who died didn’t have much time left to live anyway, so let them die. Tucker Carlson compared then small numbers of Covid deaths to auto accidents. Paul Ramsey told his followers on Twitter to shame people who wear masks in public and to “punch them.” He claimed Covid wouldn’t kill more people than the Swine flu (wrong). He said not to worry when it broke out in Europe because “hot spots” happen all the time with viral outbreaks before they go away (wrong). He claimed it’d go away in warm weather (wrong). He said “it’s just the flu, bro” (200k dead and counting, easily surpassing the greatest “flu” in over half a century – wrong). And on and on.

    Z-man said pretty much the same thing for months. That guy wrote countless articles railing against Covid because he’s a business owner, and it affected his pocketbook. Officials in Texas claimed old people would be willing to die for the economy. Andrew Anglin claimed millions would starve from lockdowns (wrong). Various Trump-supporting grifters with huge followings like Bill Mitchell said much the same thing while promoting all manner of bizarre conspiracies. Trump argued with the CDC for months, demoted officials, and claimed it was going away in warm weather and that “the consequences can’t be worse than the solution.” The right pushed various scam miracle medicines. They claimed the death toll was all a hoax orchestrated by the government. They organized protests over having to wear masks. Countless social media influencers like Candace Owens and Laura Ingram railed against them and mocked people who were scared on their social media accounts.

    There are countless examples of this nonsense. That’s a little more than simply “railing against lockdowns.” Seniors saw all of that and voted for Joe Biden in response, costing Donald Trump the election just as I predicted here months ago. That’s what the exit polls show in several states.

    This is the hill you wanted to die on. Welcome to it.

    “See above, but I like your spirit. Keep repeating things and maybe they’ll eventually be true.”

    I’m quoting exit polls and voter demographic data (also present in the article, which you apparently didn’t read) while you’re deflecting. Which of us has the stronger suit?

    “Of course Drumpf is a flawed vessel. Of course listening to Jared was idiotic.”

    Then why are you mindlessly defending him and the policies which led to his defeat? The guy lost a winnable election because he’s an idiot who took advice from guys like you who said “it’s just the flu, bro.” Yeah, seniors disagreed.

    “I am sorry Drumpf didn’t bail you and Hunter out in Charlottesville. But acting like a scorned lover …”

    Now who’s projecting? Mindless zombie makes excuses for supporting a bum and assumes I was at Charlottesville just because I’m honest about his orange emperor.

    “cu*k.”

    Men who can’t bring themselves to spell it correctly don’t get to use it. Cuck.

    • Troll: VinnyVette
  280. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Dragging his feet on the virus was hard to watch. A lot of those internet Whites probably voted for him but didn’t volunteer their time.

    Indeed. I volunteered for the meme war, and a meme I originated was modified and retweeted by Don Jr, IIRC. But not this time around. I didn’t bother. (I think Don Jr would make a fine president btw. There are a few good candidates, Don Jr, Tucker.)

    It was embarrassing to see Trump fumble on the virus, and needlessly keep pointing to the stock market as some indication of job performance. It’s kind of hard for a guy in his 70s to adapt to such a new and science-based problem. Trump is very adaptable but that was beyond him. I found it hard when others I respect were lampooning his statements on that. I didn’t pile on, but hard to defend him in that without descending to whataboutism.

    In summary I think the election situation is down to Kushnerism, COVID response, and voter fraud. In probably that order. Genocide >> temporary death and disruption of mostly elderly >> voting mechanics.

    Manafort was an expert in the latter but Trump didn’t exactly stand by those who stood by him, so they (or similar) weren’t there in 2020. Yes, there were headwinds but a lot of those were controllables. The jettisoning of Bannon and Manafort were in part responsible for the above failures.

  281. Anynymous says:
    @RoatanBill

    Instead of calling me infantile, why not write a cogent paragraph that explains your position.

    He can’t. He’s been trained in pilpul, and now that’s all he can do. The current tactic is wasting the opponent’s time with nonsense, changing topics, personal attacks, attacks on value symbols, etc. It’s all pretty formulaic.

    Its strategy is preventing rational discussion into matters that cannot be tested empirically, such as “you are infantile” or “that is not the best sound” or “are you more evil or more stupid” or “that dress makes you look fat” Rather than talk of effect, it talks about the worth of an action, yet refuses to accept any consistent ethical system.

    The objective of pilpul is to prevent discussion of any existing practice that the practitioner wants to insulate from criticism, if possible while injuring those who might engage in criticism.

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2020/05/pilpul-for-beginners/

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  282. @anon

    The dead came out in numbers too. All hail Covid.

  283. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Not protecting, or even appearing to give much of a damn for the people who worked for you like Manafort and Stone, is going to have consequences if you need their like in the future.
    Indeed.

    I would add Bannon to that list. There may be more.

    Sad to see as part of Trump’s brilliance was to hire the right man for the job at each leg of the campaign, to Manafort to win the primary (and stop the shenanigans) and to Bannon to win the general with the Sailer Strategy.

    To be fair, it has not been smooth sailing. We face more powerful opposition who adapt. Trump reminds me of Hitler and Barbarossa, or Napoleon and his Russian adventure – Trump’s first election was like early ww2 succeeding with will and tactical genius while the subsequent election was like the latter half, after opponents got their act together.

  284. @Anynymous

    Thank you for the link. I never heard of pilpul before.

    There are many times I see a reply that is obvious sophistry. I try to get the conversation back on track politely, but in most cases the other party has no interest in a real debate. They just want to make some noise by focusing on something inconsequential and throw in some ad hominem for good measure.

  285. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    The problem with this is there is NOTHING Trump could do with the media we have. What exactly is the correct thing to do?

    He could have taken the concerns of his voters seriously and worn a mask. Instead, he resisted wearing a mask, downplayed the virus, promoted conspiracies, and got sick just before the election and had to be flown in a helicopter to a hospital where he was given an experimental medication not available to the general public. No one forced this guy to make a fool of himself arguing with the CDC. No one forced Trump to give disastrous interviews to a hostile press when all he had to do was nothing.

    We are destroying the lives of young people so that some seniors with one foot in the grave can live a few months longer.

    That’s why Trump lost. That kind of rhetoric. There was a guy who was telling me in this comment section that really all posters were doing was railing against the lockdowns. In reality, they were saying grandma is deadwood and needs to be cleared out so happy hour can get going. Grill’n & Swill’n time. Granny boomer saw those comments, Trump’s rhetoric and that of his supporters on cable tv, and voted for Biden. Simple as that.

    • Replies: @anoint
    , @MarkinLA
  286. @anon

    You are a fucking dumbass.

    Covid is a total scam.

    .2% death rate.

    That’s 99.8% survival…….IDIOT.

    The 200K death count is a LIE. A small fraction of those deaths were FROM Covid. The CDC admitted that 94% of the deaths were “with” and not “from” Covid.

    Consider also, you fucking moron, that hospitals were PAID $13,000 for each and every Covid diagnosis, so Covid meant MONEY for hospitals…..and they needed the money because people with
    other issues were turned away…..leaving hospitals EMPTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Health care workers were laid off by the THOUSANDS.

    I know three people who had the “deadly” virus….and it was not a big deal.

    My lady friend thought it was allergies acting up.

    Ramzpaul called it right from the start.

    You are a stupid CUCK.

    • Replies: @Flubber
    , @Desert Fox
  287. Many pro-Trump angry whites here seem to favour a one party system in which every four years people like them get elected to run the country. I do not know why. Are they fascists ? Or Chinese communists? In a country with two democratic parties it is normal when one of the parties loses the other one wins. Bush…Obama…Trump ….Biden ….that is perfectly normal. Learn to accept it.

    • Replies: @Nuncle
    , @James Forrestal
  288. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Fuk seniors!!! 65+ generations have run this country into the ground!!! Gunshot wound and blood loss? You are as senile as all the old geezers you are defending dope!!! The boomers are some of the most self absorbed, enfranchised, spoiled generation that has ever lived.

    Write this epitaph on Donald Trump’s political gravestone. Next time, don’t take advice on how to run your government from loser internet ‘spergs. Remember this when someone deflects away from the right’s rhetoric on Covid when they claim they were maligned and that all they were really doing was peacefully discussing the implications of lockdowns in technical terms. No. These people are sociopaths who don’t care if millions have to die for their comfort. Everything else they say is just an excuse. The right is plagued with trash like this guy, to their eternal detriment. Cast aside these losers or get used to being second fiddle to the left forever. It’s as simple as that.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Nuncle
  289. @alt right moderate

    “Simple explanation: old white guys voted for Biden…”

    Not so. There aren’t that many old white guys, and not a one of my OWG friends believed the Corona lie for a moment.

    Moreover, there is no pandemic.

    “The COVID-19 RT-PCR Test: How To Mislead All Humanity Into Accepting Societal Lock-Downs”
    Authored by Dr. Pascal Sacré

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs

  290. Trinity says:

    JFK didn’t beat Nixon
    Dubya didn’t beat Gore
    And Biden sure as hell didn’t beat Trump

    The 2020 election results are as real as the official narrative of 9-11 and the alleged death rates attributed to the (((coronavirus.)))

    Like him or hate him, (I believe Trump did nothing for Whites in America, but he looks good compared to Biden & Company) there is no way in hell The Orange Man lost. I agree with the poster who stated that these articles suggesting Trump lost in a legit election or that somehow Trump campaigned wrong is UTTER BULLSHIT. My gawd, saying Trump accumulated less legitimate votes than the mentally challenged, doddering, old fossil, Biden is yet another LIE by the (((usual suspects.))) I also agree with yet another poster who stated that once (((these people))) see that they can fix any SELECTION/ELECTION this damn easy, that voting is now a JOKE. Of course as noted, this isn’t the first time an election has been fixed. As comrade Stalin said, it isn’t the votes but who counts the votes, comrade. Look for old fossil Joe to resign within a year and say hello to Prez Caramel, yo.

  291. Nuncle says:

    Anyone who can’t assimilate the vast amount of evidence proving that the election has been – or, rather, is being – stolen is simply not fit to pen political commentary.

  292. anoint says:
    @anon

    There was a guy who was telling me in this comment section that really all posters were doing was railing against the lockdowns. In reality, they were saying grandma is deadwood and needs to be cleared out so happy hour can get going. Grill’n & Swill’n time.

    Suicides have spiked during the WuFlu. Despair, drug use, depression, SSRI use, are all up in younger cohorts because the lockdowns have caused a wave of mental distress. Is that worth saving the lives of 10% of the elderly with comorbidity risks? Serious question, life is full of trade-offs. The best response would have been something close to what Sweden followed, which is a targeted lockdown of seniors while letting the young and healthy continue living as normal and building up herd immunity to the future wuflu 20 and wuflu 21.

    Granny boomer saw those comments, Trump’s rhetoric and that of his supporters on cable tv, and voted for Biden. Simple as that.

    There is no evidence that Trump lost the election because of the chinese flu. Exit polls are notoriously unreliable. Trump lost because he ignored White male concerns and because the White Dems who abandoned the execrable hillary came back home to support the perceptually less execrable Sidlin’ Biden.

    And by “lost”, I mean Trump really won if the massive vote fraud margin is subtracted from Biden’s total.

    ps I know a few people who got the panda-demic virus and they shrugged it off like an annoying cold. The lockdowna and stinky sweaty mask wearing have been an abomination foisted on this nation, especially after it become evident that the only real risk groups were diabetic fatties and the elderly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  293. snag says:

    I beg your pardon but ‘Israel uber alles’ policy didn’t help Trump in Muslim populated States like Michigan and Wisconsin. 

  294. Nuncle says:
    @anon

    You forget that Trump hasn’t lost. The Biden victory is a bluff, nothing more.

  295. What If says:
    @pecosbill

    Wrong, JFK gave us Vietnam. Johnson just enlarged it.

  296. Poco says:
    @Sean

    Ignore polls. Polls going in to the election were fake. Polls coming out of the election are fake. People lie to pollsters.

  297. What would H L Mencken and T S Eliot think of this election?

  298. Nuncle says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Trump won this time, even bigger than in 2016.

    The Democrats knew they would be defeated so they created an illusory victory based on illegal votes.

    What’s not to get?

  299. @FLgeezer

    “When Harris becomes POTUS it will be open war on white people.”

    Harris too has white ancestry from her father’s side. The same story with many African-Americans. No one hates decent white people.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  300. Katrinka says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Now that the Democrats have figured out a sure fire method for cheating their way to electoral victory, will they back off on flooding the U.S. with black and brown people from sh*t hole countries? Asking for a friend…..

  301. @Supply and Demand

    No, it is called lying. You said you know “many” 18/19 year olds, nothing about “cousins”….until now. So the only child whose Mother is an only child has a “robust family life”? Wow, your Dad must have “many” brothers and sisters. You have really walked into it with your latest lie because MY Mother is an only child and my Dad had three siblings and each had two children so I have six cousins. My Dad’s parents were VERY big into family gatherings so before I was twelve I was reasonably close to all my cousins as the age spread was about six years, with me in the middle. However by the time I was 25, when you would have been finishing your Masters, it was impossible to keep a regular relationship with my cousins due to well….life. But you claim you have regular contact with cousins who are ten years younger than you and were 14 or 15 years old when you left The United States in your mid-twenties to work in China and you have been in China a minimum of 4 years. I am describing a “best case scenario” that would support your story, that you left for China immediately after earning your Masters. Sorry, SaD, your story doesn’t add up. You obviously do not realize that here at TUR we encounter many liars, you’re nothing unusual, and all of you are very condescending, insulting, even wishing our deaths and gloating over it, and all because we refuse to hate our people, The White Race, the greatest race of people on the planet. Sorry SaD, you are obviously lying, about everything, time to turn in your user name and report to your supervisor for “troll retraining”.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  302. Ferris Bueller up to no good.


  303. @RoatanBill

    both sides manufactured votes via the machines both sides had constructed to do exactly that – the electronic voting machines.

    Yes, except that the Benford tests of the results done so far seem to indicate no reason for doubting the ballots cast for Trump but highly significant reasons for doubting those cast for Biden/Harris. The same holds for several other recognized tests of ballot fraud. I suggest Mr. Trump told his campaign they had to be squeaky clean if they were to prevail in exposing Dem corruption.

    It was clear that this steal was in the works from the 2018 election, where one Republican congressman after another went down to defeat in the weeks after election day, having been poised for victory on election day itself.

    This article assumes that the votes were cast by the groups indicated.

    I would go even further and suggest the article’s arguments are little more than a rather extended non sequitur. A complex web of specious causal-sounding arguments are built up that reinforce the narrative that was being pushed by the media before the election or that would assist their agenda now. There is very little substance to them and little to independently corroborate them. All quite vacuous and nothing that couldn’t be ascribed to an over-arching plan developed in Democrat back rooms over the past four years. Just the standard modus operandi of the so-called social sciences.

    The entire voting process is now independent of voters. Voters are only needed to show a stream of bodies roaming in and out of [polling] places. The votes are manufactured by the deep state to anoint their winner.

    Well put, though “chosen one” might be more apt than “winner.”

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  304. MarkinLA says:
    @anon

    We were told not to wear masks and then told to wear them. He was given a medicine that was available just not yet approved by the FDA for Covid. The CDC said one thing one day and another the next. Yet, Trump should have had the correct answer always. This is the stupid thinking of the majority of Americans because of the media that hated Trump.

    What if the media had made an effort to point out how useless the CDC and Fauci were instead of attacking Trump for everything. What if the media, instead of blaming every death as something Trump personally ordered made an actual attempt to show ALL the issues relating to closing down the economy for an illness we may have to live with for a long time.

    What if the issue had been framed as one of doing what we can for the elderly but remembering that children have to go to school, they have to socialize. People need jobs for income and mental stability. If all that had been framed correctly so people realized there are tradeoffs and put the emphasis on the young rather than the old – do it for the children. We might have had a sane reaction to this nonsense.

    • Replies: @anon
  305. What the hell kind of strategy was that? Go to your rallies with tens of thousands of followers, your “White Base” who are just getting by and keep reminding them of all you’ve been doing for Blacks, Hispanics and Asians. Jobs, get out of jail free cards and a 500 billion dollar cherry on top. C’mon Whitey give a brother a break.

  306. @A Competent Physicist

    Fake votes don’t win elections, only real votes.

    That’s questionable, at best. Fake votes in Chicago seem to have won the election for JFK in 1960. What are “real” votes in an age of mail-in ballots and tabulating computers with minds of their own?

  307. Flubber says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Not to mention Cuomo and the other Dem Governors turning their care homes into Dachau…

  308. @Charles Martel France

    Harris too has white ancestry from her father’s side. The same story with many African-Americans. No one hates decent white people.

    Wow you are naïve. It doesn’t matter at all if she is part White.

    Most leftists are White and would ship us all off to reeducation camps if they could.

    Leftists hate White people because:

    1. Their existence and history creates doubt about leftist claims regarding their ability to create equal outcomes.
    2. They are the only group that really threatens the left. No other group creates as many skeptics and naturally rational men that are not fooled by their lies.

    Leftists hate decent Whites more than degenerate Whites. The latter are viewed as useful for decaying and denigrating the decent Whites. The decent Whites create too many skeptics.

    So while Harris isn’t going to send the military after Whites she will absolutely work against them.

    The plan is to turn the place into Brazil. Leftists gave up a long time ago on equal standards for everyone. Their only option is to expand the third world into the first. Turns Whites into a minority and adopt make-believe history. That is the best they can do sans genetic engineering.

    With Harris expect gun bans, third world immigration and new calls for internet censorship.

  309. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Pretty funny if you’re being sarcastic.

    Lunkhead stupid if you’re serious.

  310. @Exalted Cyclops

    If Trump lost the election – massive vote fraud operation not withstanding – it’s his own damned fault.

    The fraud’s expansion is also thanks Trump’s own fecklessness.

    Remember Kasich’s commission to investigate electoral fraud? What happened to that again? Oh yeah — Trump shut it down. It’s a lot easier to clean up the voter rolls and get better procedures in place before an election than it is to try to invalidate ballots that are already in hand — once those mail-in ballots are out of the envelope, who knows where (or who) they came from.

    See also:

    http://dissident-mag.com/2020/11/05/donald-trump-lost-by-betraying-white-americans/

    http://dissident-mag.com/2020/11/06/njp-statement-on-the-2020-presidential-election/

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  311. CCZ says:
    @Trinity

    Don’t forget Electric Utility Grid Maintenance!!!!

    • Replies: @Trinity
  312. @Charles Martel France

    In a country with two “democratic” parties it is “normal” when one of the parties loses the other one wins. Bush…Obama…Trump ….Biden ….that is perfectly normal. Learn to accept it.

    Excellent point. These troublesome goyim need to learn to accept the choices they’re given, and stop complaining. Pick one wing of the Uniparty, or the other, goy! Haim Saban, or Sheldon Adelson. Those are your “choices,” and that’s final! That’s what “democracy” really means in the post-WW2 era — as Ezra Pound explained many years ago.

    It’s not as if it makes any difference to the outcome…

  313. @anoint

    There is no evidence that Trump lost the election because of the chinese flu. Exit polls are notoriously unreliable.

    How far off can it be when so many states could have been flipped with one or two percentage points?

    Polls have shown low satisfaction with how he handled it and especially from independents.

    I can’t stand Biden and don’t think he would have done any better but Trump really dropped the ball.

    He should have taken it seriously and put the media on the defensive. The media originally mocked Trump over his flight bans and accused him of distracting the public.

    But it seems the public has a 3 month memory and I have no doubt he would have won if he simply kept his mouth shut and worked with the Democrat governors. Telling people it would be over soon was wishful thinking and red meat for the press. Craftier politicians promise less in such situations so they can’t be hung with their own words. Then he dragged on the mask wearing which was a huge mistake. Finally he got the virus and drove around with secret service agents so he could wave to his fans. Horrible.

    Now we get President Harris because he didn’t want to put a mask on or have outdoor rallies. Argh.

  314. @Robert Dolan

    Agree, covid=19 ie certificate of vaccination ID-19 does not exist and covid is one of bigggest scams in the history of the world, the other being the FED and the zionist owned central banks, and the whole covid deal is being pushed by the zionists to install a one world government.

    • Replies: @Druid
  315. Trinity says:
    @CCZ

    Hmm, not a necessity. People lived a long time before electricity, be kind of hard to live without food or shelter though. Not many gardens growing in those big cities and I don’t think pigeons are that tasty or nutritious. I still claim the most valuable jobs out there are farmers, truckers, construction workers. Sure, cities like Baltimore, NYC, Philadelphia, etc., are coastal cities, but who is going to deliver that food shipped in? Maybe this talk going around about the truckers going on strike is horseshit or just talk, but who knows? Cue, the song, “Country Boy Can Survive,” by Bocephus, yo. Be kind of nice to see some overpaid office dweeb pencil pusher or computer dork find out how really worthless their “position” really is. So many years these clowns have looked down on farmers, truckers, and the working man.

    I will give you a 100 dollars for that tomato, sir. A hundred dollars? What the hell can I do with that? hehe.

  316. @Supply and Demand

    @Bombercommand has outed you as a total crock, so I will limit myself to refuting your feeble attempt to explain the huge discrepancies in ‘down-ballot’ support for Biden. Your excuse would predict the same discrepancies pretty much everywhere. But in fact the discrepancy was only apparent in those “battleground” states that were still in play around mid-night Nov. 3. Everywhere else Democrat down-ballot candidates got roughly the same support as did Biden. Same for Republican down-ballot support compared to Trump support pretty much everywhere.

    It was not Democrat down-ballot support that was out of whack. It was the extremely high level of Biden “support” in those battleground states. Biden did much better than Hillary had done in 2016 in those states and those states only. Elsewhere they were comparable or Biden did worse.

    What happened was that the Dems chose those states because they had a Dem governor or big-city mayor who would cooperate. They were quite prepared to have their armies of drones fill in ballots all night long. They just didn’t realize the extreme level of Trump support and the number of ballots they would need. When they did find out, they then had a problem with the logistics of filling out so many ballots. They had to cut corners and in some cases leave all the down-ballot choices blank. They also had to produce more ballots than there were registered voters in many districts.

    Kind of like the bank robber who writes “This is a stick-up” on the back of his own personalized check.

  317. Simply put, the Democrats (with unrelenting support from ChiCom Wuhan Bio Weapon virus, MSM, Technopolies, Big Brand, Big Bank, Big Whatever, and those illustrious folks at alphabets) ran the best propaganda/disinformation campaign in history. If Trump was playing 4D chess, Democrats were playing Sun Zhu’s Art of War, with Rules for Radicals, Communist Manifesto and Burn Loot Murder thrown in for good diversity mandated theater.
    And best of all, they all complied with Covid guidelines and wore masks while destroying cities, while Proud Boys were playing militia donkey Kong on SlaveWear devices from your favorite Technopoly.
    If two words could describe the past three plus years it would be “Clown World”.

  318. @Mr. Anon

    That’s one of the reasons that California became so liberal – it wasn’t just that liberals moved there

    You misspelled “mestizos and Asians.” You do know that Mexifornia is only 35% White in the current year… don’t you?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  319. @anon

    Its just the fucking flu asshole!

    • Replies: @anon
  320. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Shocking isn’t it. People care about a deadly virus that can kill them.

  321. @Peter Akuleyev

    A lot of Republicans voted for GOP congressmen and senators but decided to give Trump the boot.

    But only in those states where there were more ballots cast than voters registered, where Biden got his ever so amazing vote totals, beating even Obama’s, and where Biden greatly surpassed Miss Hillary’s totals of 2016. Oh, and where Biden allegedly got the purported last batch of electoral votes needed to put him over the top. Definitely not in Florida, Ohio or Texas, where split-voting is doubtlessly illegal.

    But hey, we all know Biden’s campaign rallies engendered such amazing enthusiasm among each and every one of his usual six to twelve loyal attendees compared to Trump’s normal 30,000 to 65,000 dispirited and dejected souls that a record turnout for Biden was only to be expected. We even know some Trump supporters abandoned Trump to attend a Biden rally, with Biden appreciatingly acknowledging their hooting and screaming in his own inimitable way, saying, “You’re just another bunch of lying, horse-faced pony soldiers.” You know, man, the comment that endeared him to Repulsicrants everywhere.

    That said, I’m sure your explanation will be the standard fare in history books in a short while. Can’t have Biden getting so many more votes than his Democrat colleagues in the Senate and House without even an attempt at explanation.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  322. Mr. Anon says:
    @James Forrestal

    You do know that Mexifornia is only 35% White in the current year… don’t you?

    Yes, I’m aware of California’s demographics. But the shift wasn’t just immigration – it was also whites leaving or dying.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  323. AReply says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre

    I dig that he’s a changed man who can finally get down with regular folks in regular America:

    //“To clarify, President Trump’s press conference will NOT be held at Four Seasons Hotel Philadelphia. It will be held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping – no relation with the hotel,” it said in a tweet an hour later.
    The Trump campaign has not publicly said whether this was, as it would appear, a case of mistaken identity. Either way, the press conference, headlined by Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, went ahead in the car park of the garden centre in what USA Today called an “industrial park”.Giuliani doubled down on claims of voter fraud, an allegation which has not been substantiated by any evidence whatsoever.
    The irony did not go unnoticed.
    “I could write jokes for 800 years and I’d never think of something funnier than Trump booking the Four Seasons for his big presser, and it turning out to be the Four Seasons Total Landscaping parking lot between a dildo store and a crematorium,” TV writer Zack Bornstein wrote on Twitter.
    Author Geraldine DeRuiter commented: “The real hero today is whoever answered the phone at Four Seasons Landscaping and offered no clarification whatsoever until it was too late. I salute you, my fellow patriot.”
    Wire creator David Simon relished the development.
    “I woke up early, still laughing at Rudy Giuliani spewing bullshit from an industrial lot between a crematorium and dildo shop, having booked a press conference into the Four Seasons … wait for it … Total Landscaping. The Trumpist incompetence that delivers this coda. Magical,” he wrote.//

    • LOL: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  324. Lagertha says:

    it did not. But you are old and boring.

  325. Lagertha says:

    I am a Boomer…but I hate, hate, hate boomers – they suck and need to compost their bodies for my growing beds if they believe in all their selfish shit.- they are all psychos! – their dead bodies would make my produce really grow big! hahhahhahahahaaaaaa

    • Troll: Trinity
  326. “That’s not a projection. There were people on this website and across the internet who said old people should die because they’re “dead wood.”

    Some rare off the wall comment. But as a standard running commentary in general

    That is so far out, you’ll need to cite a reference. It’s sounds like nonsense. I am one of the most severe testers of the COVID advance. Th numbers simply don’t come near 1% death totals and. The argument is not that anyone needs to die. The contention is that the numbers are so rank among other new illnesses and that appear.

    Asian flu, swine flu . . . . and given how the deaths were counted, it’s even unclear how many people died from COVID or some other illness they had in conjunction.

    Now liberals and democrats have turned that analysis into — they want people to die as they turn every situation in a death spiral end of the world endgame.

    • Replies: @anon
  327. Supporting this executive gets me no browny points, or anything personally — sadly. But the real juice concerning COVID is ho the liberals and democrats were able to transform the matter into a political battering as it was used to berate the executive, fear mongering to change the election rules, encourage unaccountable mail in voting, and stifle the standard voting process. In the state of Ca. all but removed it.

    Up until COVID the democrats have been flailing two failed impeachment attempts one that revealed that it was they involved in corruption and undermining the executives positions and doing so as if the office doesn’t matter. It was a tad stunning to listen to them defend writing the constitutional mandate of the man they elected into office and under his direct authority — that included the the then vice president.

  328. @Haxo Angmark

    Me and you. Everyone else around here doesn’t know how to have “fun.”

    Let it burn.

  329. Druid says:
    @ConqueringFools

    I hope you live up to your big mouth and NEVER seek a doctor!

  330. @Wally

    Everyone is assuming that the polls were even conducted. What is it after the 2016 election that would have made us believe the polling is actually accurate, let alone conducted at all? You don’t need actual polling to create fraudulent numbers, at least not enough to actually be accurate, some minimal “polling” by some low wage people, simply for the purpose of maintaining the fraud, is more than enough.

  331. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “That is so far out, you’ll need to cite a reference. It’s sounds like nonsense.”

    Those kinds of comments were written here months back. Search yourself. They’re everywhere. Go back to the comments section of Occidental Dissent. In the early days of the outbreak, a commenter directly stated an enormous number of people would have to die (100 million), before it should affect his freedom. It’s certainly not hard to believe considering the idiocy written on this one post — “fuk boomers.” These were very common. To say otherwise is an exercise in deflection.

    Some rare off the wall comment. But as a standard running commentary in general

    It was common enough. I imagine deniers will go back and try to rewrite history in the wake of Trump’s loss, but they were always about dismissing the death toll and threat to seniors in favor of their own convenience. That’s what all of the excuse making was really about.

    Conservatives didn’t want to interrupt their tailgating with the inconvenience of lockdowns and masks. So, they embraced every conspiracy possible as an excuse to get rid of them. They claimed it only affected a small part of the population (translation: I’m not affected, so I should be allowed to do whatever I want); Andrew Anglin wrote an article that appeared on this website that said as much. They claimed deaths were exaggerated (translation: it doesn’t affect me, so I should be allowed to do whatever I want). They claimed only a small number of people die from Covid (translation: it doesn’t affect me, so I should be allowed to do whatever I want). They promoted Sweden as the model (translation: look, they’re partying over in Sweden and having a good time. Why can’t we do that? I wanna tailgate.)

    Oops. Sweden doesn’t think they are the model:

    Sweden ‘to start lockdowns’ as it has world’s 12th highest Covid-19 death rate

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sweden-to-start-lockdowns-as-it-has-worlds-12th-highest-covid-19-death-rate/ar-BB1a7WnB

    Sweden’s prime minister orders an inquiry into the failure of the country’s no-lockdown coronavirus strategy

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedens-prime-minister-orders-an-inquiry-into-the-failure-of-the-countrys-no-lockdown-coronavirus-strategy/ar-BB16fGmB

    They railed against wearing facemasks for the same reason (translation: it doesn’t affect me, so I should be allowed to do whatever I want). “Waa, waa, waa. I have to wear this stupid mask for short periods in public spaces, a very minor inconvenience. Authoritarianism, man. The Age of the Covididan has arrived! We have to rebel against his. It’s part of the deepstate plot.”

    Deniers constantly cited Sweden in an attempt to dismiss the virus, that on top of embracing every possible conspiracy theory to dismiss it — hotspots, exaggerated death tolls, exaggerated spread, miracle medicines, etc. When Wuhan China opened back up, they showed pictures of people in nightclubs dancing and falsely claimed that meant the Chinese now dismiss the threat. “Time to open up so we can party like them Chinese!” Reality: the Chinese have a competent government and crushed Covid before it got out of hand. Now, they can party as their government limits spread and develops a vaccine for vulnerable groups. We didn’t need these measures if we had gotten on this early.

    Seniors heard excuses and dismissals from Donald Trump and his supporters, so they voted for Joe Biden. Good-bye Pennsylvania. Hello Biden Administration.

    Asian flu, swine flu . . . . and given how the deaths were counted, it’s even unclear how many people died from COVID or some other illness they had in conjunction.

    All of these Covid objections were answered months ago. The death toll from this disease is obviously much higher than the seasonal flu. Without Covid infection, most of those people would still be alive. The “conjunction” thing is just a deflection. It’s like saying someone can’t die of the flu if they died of a pneumonia they only got in the first place due to influenza infection. Same with gunshot wounds and all manner of other ways to die.

    >Some guy gets hit by a car. He dies in the hospital of internal blood loss.

    >”He didn’t die of the car accident, libtard. He died of blood loss. He’s in his 50s anyway. Only had another 10 years to live, so whatever.

    We can measure the number of people who usually die in this country and we can compare that number with the baseline. When we do that, we find a large number of excess deaths that correlate with areas under Covid spread. The same pattern was found overseas in multiple countries.

    Back in April:

    Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported

    Mortality statistics show 111,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 15 countries analysed by the FT

    https://amp.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c?__twitter_impression=true

    Now:

    CDC: 300,000 Excess Deaths in the United States Due to Coronavirus Pandemic

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/cdc-300000-excess-deaths-united-states-due-coronavirus-pandemic-171116

    We can make a good estimate of the number of deaths, and when we do we find they are much higher than seasonal flu. Stating otherwise is just a cope, an excuse to ignore the issue because it is inconvenient to you.

    This was the moment Donald Trump lost re-election:

    Must We Kill the Economy to Kill the Virus?

    Pat Buchanan • March 24, 2020

    “We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself,” tweeted the president on Sunday night, adding that, after the current 15-day shutdown, “we will make a decision as to which way we want to go.”

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/must-we-kill-the-economy-to-kill-the-virus/

    • Agree: utu, HeebHunter
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  332. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    We were told not to wear masks and then told to wear them. He was given a medicine that was available just not yet approved by the FDA for Covid. The CDC said one thing one day and another the next. Yet, Trump should have had the correct answer always. This is the stupid thinking of the majority of Americans because of the media that hated Trump.

    Donald Trump could have worn a mask when it became apparent that it was what the public wanted. Yes, the CDC original stated “no masks” but they changed their minds after a short period of time, so Trump had no excuse. He didn’t have to promote hydroxychloroquine when there was scant evidence it worked (multiple studies say it doesn’t). The drug he was given at Walter Reed is classified as experimental / not approved, so he got special treatment the rest of us wouldn’t get while telling us Covid was no big deal. Also, no one at the CDC said Covid-19 was going away in April like magic. That was Donald Trump. All you’re doing is making excuses for his bad decisions. Seniors saw all of that and voted against him. Trump was a poor leader who dismissed the concerns of a key constituency and paid the price for it.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  333. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette

    Its just the fucking flu asshole!

    Remember that when you’re crying on inauguration day. Granny boomer is going ride’n with Biden. Donald is Trumpslide’n right out the door.

  334. RobbyV says:

    The problem with article this is you are assuming the demographic data is even real. If after nearly a week they still haven’t been able to count all of the votes, how is it possible for this data to be available?

  335. @ConqueringFools

    Reagan was a real man, Patton was a real man, even Dick Cheney is a real man. Trump is what we used to call, back in the non PC 80s, “a fag”. He wears make-up,can’t read, can’t walk down stairs, whines incessantly, and waves his little hands around. The more educated people see the real Trump the more they dislike him.

    The fact that blue collar workers flock to Trump and see something in him that isn’t there is a symptom of American decadence not a remedy.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  336. @Peripatetic Itch

    Biden’s campaign rallies engendered such amazing enthusiasm among each and every one of his usual six to twelve loyal attendees compared to Trump’s normal 30,000 to 65,000 dispirited and dejected souls

    How is that an argument? Especially if most of Biden’s “support” was primarily people voting against Trump, not “for” Biden? Which seems to be fairly obviously the case. Trump polarizes. People love him or hate him, and the haters are now in the majority.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  337. @Bombercommand

    Grafting your own family experience onto mine and then calling me a liar? Bomber, that’s the textbook definition of projection. My father has a large family who trickled into America throughout the 90s after the wall fell. I am in touch with most of the extended clan, and my graduate Alma mater, as I mentioned, was UW-Madison. Not like I wasn’t in town. You would know what getting together with 2nd or 3rd cousins was like if Americana didn’t nuclearize you.

    I had the same issues with my mom”s side.

    Tonight (central time) for example, I’ll be helping one of the clan do ACT prep over Zoom.

  338. This is bizarre addition,

    “In a country with two “democratic” parties it is “normal” when one of the parties loses the other one wins. Bush…Obama…Trump ….Biden ….that is perfectly normal. Learn to accept it.”

    No kidding and what’s your point. People experience losing all the time. I have.

    When the previous democrat was elected, I was livid. But I didn’t but a for moment consider fraud. This is something very different. But when they lose against a game that with the anomalies present in this one — it is entirely reasonable to examine the matter. Despite the executive’s “issues” nothing about the performance of the Democrats would invite flipping – nothing. Against the backdrop of the last four years in which the democrats repeatedly floundered — and floundered big — failed is better word. In which at every turn they fell all over themselves. This election for the admin was really a given. Had he had more competent opponents — maybe. But as it was —

    Even Covid didn’t play out that well. This election was supposed to be a blowout, If one actually listens to the media — and yet his numbers were up —they say the numbers drop was in white men, I am not sure how much of that I buy, given the turn out. But it is doubtful those numbers raced over to vote for more immigrants, and increased government imposed policies. Democratic credibility for four years regarding this president — all of those negative predictions — not a one played out – not one. And the that road to victory could have been easier via some other choices —

    I don’t see the hatred/dislike/ divisive governance card over turning an election under the environment, Laugh,

    especially one in which all the divisiveness was owned by democrats. Here’a man who was fine with same sex conduct and marriage, legalizing marijuana, etc. look the democrats have been fostering divisiveness since the election of 2000 as I recall those were violent protests as well. What personal attributes one have issues with, the general public came to terms with years ago. Most even sloughed off the media ‘s constant complaints and negative commentary. As for himself, he was obliging to his opponents in ways that went beyond being polite. Your telling white women that they had a positive response to the violence in the streets of the opposition just before an election —

    Voters for the executive aren’t the only scratching their heads.

  339. AndrewR says:

    Jesus Christ, Brad. Why are you following Spencer down this blatantly foolish path?

    Yes, Trump has been an utter failure as a president. I saw this before he was elected to begin with. And yes, Kushner is a vile demon.

    But the Democrats clearly stole this. Your TDS is blinding you from the fact that the tgeft is not mutually exclusive with Trump being a terrible president.

  340. AndrewR says:
    @Albator

    Brad Griffin’s nom de plume

  341. @Priss Factor

    Welcome to Jewish gangster state.

    Compare this to 2016, when the mainstream media pumped up and endorsed Miss Hillary’s rejection of Trump’s victory and her accusations of Russian collusion, which were manufactured out of whole cloth and by her own hand, it now appears. Then her minions attempted to subvert the electoral college with bleacher support from the entire MSM.

    It has definitely been exposed as a gangster state. Probably with a goodly dose of Chinese CCP influence. Should we call it Hillary’s revenge?

    Good discussion. The two Alexanders of the Duran are the best. Thanks.

  342. @follyofwar

    Last night, in his “acceptance speech,” a drugged up Biden positively ran to the microphone, and gave a very coherent speech with no sign of dementia or stuttering.

    Jim Fetzer makes an interesting case that they are back to using body doubles but with more sophisticated voice morphing technology.

    I have reason to believe that the person who appeared to debate President Trump was not the real Joe Biden, but another person (aka a “body double”). Comparing original photographs, and reviewing the debates several times, I have noticed that Joe Biden has free ear lobes, not attached ears, like his body double; that Joe Biden has a smooth chin, not a cleft chin, like his body double; and that Joe Biden also has a wider cranium than his body double. Others, including myself, noticed that Joe Biden has blue eyes while his body double has brown.

    https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/11/jim-fetzer-joe-biden-vs-debate-biden-just-not-the-same-guy/

  343. Freiriger says:
    @AceDeuce

    Only a fraction of them.

    Realize that many white men have been subjected to a steady stream of Orange Man Bad propaganda for 4 years straight and may have just crumbled under the pressure.

    Griffin makes a good case I certainly think Trump should have done more to gin up support from the “white male without college degree” demographic, but you have to realize that a lot of those men are just dudes who play videogames like World of Warcraft and read reddit where they’re exposed to left-wing perspectives constantly. I don’t buy that the main reason for the failure was pandering to minorities, except insofar as the focus on that meant there was no attempt to figure out what the white male demo wanted.

    But it wasn’t necessarily more white nationalism.

    For example, there’s a youtube channel called RedLetterMedia that got very popular criticizing the Star Wars prequels. It’s a bunch of Gen-X/Early Millennial white guys In a recent review of old Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, they include a clip of the first debate to contrast the patient and sensible discourse on the show with the chaos of modern politics. It’s not explicitly anti-Trump, but it’s not hard to read between the lines there and blame Trump for the reason why modern politics is a shitshow. This reflects both the shallowness and mild but pervasive anti-Trump bias that pervades social media.

    I think that’s where Trump failed, although I’m not sure exactly what he should have done.

  344. @anon

    He didn’t have to promote hydroxychloroquine when there was scant evidence it worked (multiple studies say it doesn’t).

    BS. The study touted as disproving the effectiveness of HCQ was the really big Lancet study, of 96,000 patients, published in May. Any number of controlled studies of the drug were stopped forthwith. Any number of potential entrants to those studies were dissuaded from enrolling. The media hoopla was overwhelming. But then, about 11 days later, the study was retracted after it was noted the data set was totally fictional. The company that came up with it, Surgisphere, was a fly-by-night operation with no credible background and was scrubbed from the internet a few short weeks later. And there was no way in hell they could have found that many patients from hospitals around the world in five continents in the two or three months they had.

    The retraction of any Lancet study, let alone one this size, should be a really big deal, the science scandal of the decade. But not this one. Some of the big media gave a one-line acknowledgement of the retraction. Most of the others gave it but a cursory one-day notice. All because Mr. Trump had endorsed it. Orange Man bad.

    The rot affected most of the other studies you allude to. Some gave HCQ only to the sicker patients. Others gave it in near toxic doses, way higher than those used in other conditions like lupus. But in total far more studies found it really quite effective than didn’t. (Ivermectin has also been found to be incredibly effective, in the few studies allowed through by the oligarchy’s gatekeepers, as has vitamin D).

    An objective analysis would put many thousands of Covid-19 deaths down to calculated mass murder.

  345. Trinity says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    NO, Ronald Reagan and Dick Cheney were NOT real men. Trump, was a NYC suit, therefore he had nothing in common with most of his base, I get that, but he appealed to blue collar workers LIKE ME, because he at least had more balls than an actor like Ronald Reagan or some flea infested rat like chicken hawk, Dick Cheney. Yeah, I know about Trump’s bone spurs, but I also know that Ronnie and Dick were NOT exactly Audie Murphy either, and that Dubya was in the National Guard during Viet Nam. haha. No different than being a draft dodger in my book. IF there were a draft today, and I had a son young enough to be drafted, no way in hell would I let him go off and fight in the Greater Israel Wars btw. Patton? Well, Patton was definitely better than Eisenhower out outranked him despite never ever being under fire in the battlefield. Imagine that, pencil pusher Eisenhower, a war hero, who never saw one day of actual combat. I can relate to Trump a helluva lot more than a POS like Eisenhower or Truman.

    I would vote for a “fag” IF they would address issues that even the “so-called, racist” Trump would NEVER ADDRESS, issues like Jewish CONTROL OF OUR NATION, MEDIA, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC POLICY, Jewish interference with our elections, Black on White violence, Black on White rape, Black racism, Jewish Supremacism, White Genocide here and abroad, etc. The POTUS doesn’t have to be John Wayne ( a Hollywood FAKE tough guy) or even a real tough guy, he just needs to have a HUGE SET OF BALLS WHEN IT COMES TO TELLING THE TRUTH.

    The remedy for America, isn’t some tough guy, at least not what we perceive as a tough guy, we need someone with a will of iron, 100% commitment to the TRUTH, and if that person is a woman or a man, if they are a bar room brawler or an accountant, I don’t care, but WE, Whites that is, better start to LEARN TO BE ADDICTED TO TRUTH SPEAKING, as soon as that happens, these lying parasites that control the narrative will go elsewhere and leave us the fuck alone.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  346. @Peter Akuleyev

    The more educated people see the real Trump the more they dislike him.

    Well, I’m an educated man, with two degrees. I never paid any attention to Mr. Trump before he ran for president and before I noticed there was an incredibly intense media campaign rolling out against him. My BS-detection meter did, however, go off the scales and I started to ask why the intense dislike, from the PTB. I followed the four years of his presidency, with every coup attempt beginning as the previous one flopped and developed quite an appreciation for him. Especially of his disdain for the politically correct, a quality you profess to admire whilst subtly endorsing Miss Hillary’s deplorables characterization.

    You’re an ignoramus of the highest order.

    That seems about right.

    Oh sorry, my bad… I don’t count. I’m Canadian. So up to my neck in politically correct neighbors I wouldn’t know a non PC person from a hole in the ground.

    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
  347. @anon

    Seniors heard excuses and dismissals from Donald Trump and his supporters, so they voted for Joe Biden. Good-bye Pennsylvania. Hello Biden Administration.

    This was undoutedly the biggest factor.

    Everyone saw the virus rip through Italian and French hospitals. Well at least I thought so until the Trump right engaged in widespread reality denial.

    Trump tells us it is no big deal and his followers back him. Fox tells us the MSM is overreacting as we watch Italians bury their dead. Nothing to worry about. It’s just the flu. Since when does the flu shut down the hospitals and lead to mass graves?

    We had people here at Unz telling us that the Bronx hospital videos were faked and that the refrigerator trucks were part of a conspiracy. I had someone here get mad at me for posting a video made by a health care worker. There were accusations of deep state making the whole thing up.

    Downplay downplay downplay. Why? Horrible strategy.

    Trump had plenty of time to 180 and admit he was wrong to begin with. Instead he digs in his heels and keeps tweeting unsubstantiated claims.

    The Democrats had NOTHING before the virus. They had given up and were looking at 2024.

    A big thanks to everyone that jumped on the virus downplay bandwagon. Now we get president Harris.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  348. skrik says:
    @Anon

    the hill you wanted to die on

    Nice, where “you” refers to those who scream “Scam!” “Hoax!” and “Face diapers!” etc. re Covid-19. I term these “just the flu” types as ‘nurFlus’ because the neat compactness appeals. I ‘dabble’ a bit in ‘conspiracy theories,’ 9/11 to the fore, but in time order starting with H&N A-bombings [deliberate mass-murder to gather ‘effectiveness’ data], JFK [deliberate murder/assassination to silence ‘internal dissent’], 11nov’75 coup against EGW [deliberate murder of Aus democracy] and 11sep’01 [deliberate mass-murder of own citizens to set loose GWoT etc.]; 3 out of 4 thanks, but “No, thanks!” most likely attributable to CIA. Of course, those 4 hardly qualify as conspiracies, since each was/all still are actual vicious crimes, then we come back to Covid-19.

    Posit: That most of the nurFlus are ‘running interference’ for Covid-19 in a cynical attempt to distract from the IMHO very real, near 100% probability that it is a bio-warfare agent, developed then released but *not* by the 1st intended victim = China [then followed by Iran and Russia, cui bono?] Other ‘collateral victim countries’ assumed to have resulted from underestimating Covid-19’s virulence. Note that nobody in their ‘right mind’ would ever take such a risk, but there’re plenty in power *not* in their ‘right minds.’ Always and only IMHO and rgds

  349. MarkinLA says:
    @James Forrestal

    Trump shut down (it wasn’t Kasich) Kobach’s operation because the states would not give him the data he needed. I know California refused.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  350. @Peter Akuleyev

    most of Biden’s “support” was primarily people voting against Trump, not “for” Biden?

    That does certainly seem to the the carefully manufactured narrative, built over four years of media spin. Doubtless it will go down in the history books, written by the same spin-meisters of the day. It does seem rather like “any port in a storm,” however. I mean Biden himself is a nothing-burger. The only attention he gets is when he brags about how he got the chief Ukrainian prosecutor fired (for investigating his son) or how he developed the “most extensive and inclusive voter-fraud organization in the history of the world.” Again the Democrats in Congress did nothing but dump on Mr. Trump for four years, accomplishing boo-all. So unless we are to buy into the stolen-election scenario there’s not all that many alternative narratives, are there?

    And of course consistency is never really at issue in the Democrat fantasy world, is it? When all those Republican congressmen were going down to defeat via the late-counted mail-in votes in the 2018 election it was all attributed to “Orange Man bad.” When the same Republicans won back ten to thirteen seats in this election, it was like, oh, voters had no reason to punish Republicans for the sins of Trump. Utopia is when you can have it both ways.

    And our Democrat voter-fraud organization is mostly certainly inclusive./s

    • Agree: utu
  351. @Supply and Demand

    My father has a large family who trickled into America throughout the 90s after the wall fell.

    So you’re from eastern Europe, maybe even East Germany. Eastern Europe, as we all know, was noted for having extremely large families and extraordinary rates of reproduction, as recently as, oh, say 1850. Your father was considerably later than that, probably born during the Cold War, when reproduction had crashed and one- or two-child families were the norm. So, while no one can refute your claims, it does give one pause.

    Now every person I’ve ever known who escaped the East came out virulently anti-communist. But you live and work in China and you voted for Kamala Harris even after she so recently boasted about being as Marxist as they come. What’s more your father did so too. Now I am impressed.

    I had the same issues with my mom”s side.

    You mean she came from the same large families as your father? Curious, I was sure you had previously said both you and your mother were only children:

    My mother inherited a raised ranch from her folks, as she was the only child,

    Tonight (central time) for example, I’ll be helping one of the clan do ACT prep over Zoom.

    All this from China, you say? My, you do burn the midnight oil.

    that’s the textbook definition of projection.

    Not even close.

    How well do they pay gaslighters in China? Asking for a friend…

  352. @MarkinLA

    Trump shut down (it wasn’t Kasich) Kobach’s operation because the states would not give him the data he needed. I know California refused.

    Yeah thanks. Not sure how I got “Kasich” in there instead of “Kobach.” Momentary lapse of reason, I guess. You know, some politician in the Midwest, name begins with K…

    Not only did several different states insist on their “right” to protect their election fraud mechanisms from federal oversight/ auditing — Kobach was repeatedly harassed by the kritarchy. He was held in contempt of court by some judicial Negress for failing to adequately notify noncitizens of their “right” to vote, among other things. And Trump did absolutely nothing to back him up. Didn’t even endorse him in his Senate run.

  353. @Mr. Anon

    Yes, I’m aware of California’s demographics. But the shift wasn’t just immigration

    “Listen, goy — Mexifornia didn’t go Dem because it went from 90% White to 35% White! It was because of shifts in the political preferences of that (rapidly diminishing) 35% minority! It’s like, BASIC MATH, doncha know!”

    lol

    …it was also whites leaving or dying.

    Implicit assumption — non-Whites live forever; or at least have markedly lower death rates than Whites. Do you have an evidence to support this ludicrously ignorant claim?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  354. utu says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Trump won 2016 because he followed the Sailer strategy; he lost in 2020 because he abandoned it. – This is BS. Trump lost because he lost by less than 1% in four states

    GA 49.5/49.3
    AZ 49.5/49.0
    PA 49.7/49.1
    WI 49.6/48.9

    Ballot harvesting made possible by Covid-19 is responsible for this result. Democrats were much more effective in the scheme of ballot harvesting.

    Despite of their efforts and advantages the Democrats actually should be ashamed that by having the full spectrum dominance in media and 24/7 incessant anti-Trump propaganda they won this election by less than 1% in the four key swing states.

  355. utu says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    I mostly disagree but I understand where you are coming from that one can become appreciative of Trump realizing what he was against. Peter Akuleyev is one of several douchebaggy commenters here who likes to come form superiority position pissing on the less intelligent lower class folks. There are other douchebags like that here: dfordoom and Bardon Kaldian.. They are gaslighting specialists, people w/o hope, they want to create more misery to have a company.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  356. @Supply and Demand

    So you are in close contact with kids at least 10 years younger than you[2nd cousins] who are the great grandchildren of your father’s GRANDPARENT’S siblings whose grandchildren were still living in Poland or Belorussia in the 1990’s?!?!? Cool story bro. I am inclined to believe you when you claim to have attended university in Madison, Wisconsin(not intended as a compliment).

  357. “Trump tells us it is no big deal and his followers back him. Fox tells us the MSM is overreacting as we watch Italians bury their dead. Nothing to worry about. It’s just the flu. Since when does the flu shut down the hospitals and lead to mass graves?”

    You are misconstruing the meaning here.

    The push back is not against the virus having some health effects. The pushback is against its weight on the overall population, once you get passed the all important emotional headspin, the numbers are simply not catastrophic and would not have been with the lock down. They would have been but a brief phase and all of the internal numbers on the virus make that point. Nearly everyone who contracts the illness survives.

    That was the case early on. And not everyone who contracts the virus itself even gets ill, in fact most don’t.

    I didn’t follow anyone except the data on the illness. There was never a string case for a lockdown or anything close to it.

    Furthermore, you are incorrect, despite his doubts, the executive followed the the director of the CDC. Get a grip.

    People didn’t die because the president gave bad advice,. In fact, getting fresh air was the healthier choice and the CDC director as were a boat load of other experts gave peculiar advice. However, the country listened to the experts.

    It pays to be prudent and the early response of prudence might have made sense — it did make sense — but eventually it became clear — this was a nonlethal pandemic to nearly the entire populations.

    And this was always about the WH and weakening if not out and out removing the executive. Every time some media so and so, some advocate for the democrats opens their mouths — it just fuels doubt about the veracity of anything they say.

  358. The push back is not against the virus having some health effects. The pushback is against its weight on the overall population, once you get passed the all important emotional headspin, the numbers are simply not catastrophic and would not have been with the lock down. They would have been but a brief phase and all of the internal numbers on the virus make that point. Nearly everyone who contracts the illness survives.

    There was pushback here on Unz and in the White house against videos that were showing Italian hospitals loaded with bodies.

    I remember the pushback well because I pointed out they were cause for concern as the hospitals were not able to function. People with injuries were being told to stay home.

    I was accused here of pushing propaganda for pointing out that the same thing was happening in the Bronx.

    Trump and the people that downplayed it early were wrong and in fact irrational for rejecting what happened in Italy.

    You and the Trump defense league jumped on a losing strategy of denial and yet you are still trying to lecture me.

    Furthermore, you are incorrect, despite his doubts, the executive followed the the director of the CDC. Get a grip.

    You get a grip. The CDC never told him to get on TV and tell people it would be over soon or that it was just the flu or that it would be cured with (latest trendy cure Trump followed). That is really what sunk him. It was red meat for the press. He should have kept his mouth shut and erred on the side of caution. In fact he could have flipped the whole thing on the left since Democrats like De Blasio weren’t taking it seriously early on.

    Now we are going to have a senile liberal followed by a sociopathic leftist. Great job. All that damage control really paid off.

    Blind defense will not beat liberalism. A ongoing and open discussion of the facts is really what threatens the left.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Q-ship
    , @Jay Fink
    , @HeebHunter
  359. You have got to be tripping balls if you seriously think this election was free of fraud.

    It’s beyond the point of politics on that matter, you have to deny the reality of all the miraculous “glitches” just happening to occur in all the right places at all the right times, not to mention the dozens of videos showing vote counters filling out ballots themselves or throwing them away. And you say there is no evidence? What you mean to say is you don’t want to look at the evidence because you’re too blinded by your dislike of a single man (Trump) to admit that a political conglomeration of people who have spent literally decades engineering frauds (1965 Immigration Act, Watergate, 9/11, Clinton E-mails, the 1993 WTC bombings, just to name a few) are suddenly penitent thieves? Really?

    Grow a pair, Brad.

  360. “Go back to the comments section of Occidental Dissent. In the early days of the outbreak, a commenter directly stated an enormous number of people would have to die (100 million), before it should affect his freedom. It’s certainly not hard to believe considering the idiocy written on this one post — “fuk boomers.” These were very common. To say otherwise is an exercise in deflection.”

    Excuse the delay . . .

    No deflection at all —

    you cited one reference and make reference to several others — but nothing indicating that a general number say even 25% and that’s being very generous with the the meaning of “general population” actually espoused these

    “off the wall” comments.

    Now had yo made the same reference to the issue of skin color I might agree. But in general here on this issue most commenters, not even 25% are advocating the death solution: of Mr. Scrooge.

    —————————-

    Ah, there it is but people are dying . . . sure the death is a tragic event. And sure we should prevent it as much as possible. I feels strange making such comments to people are quite happy to murder 600,000 children a year, but for the moment, I will play. But the stated position is correct — the data indicate that few died as a result of the virus. It dosn’t even reach 1% point. And the number of say 600,000 cases barely registered. There was at the end of the day no reason to shit the down the country to del with the virus.

    Here’s the gambit. We did not go that route, So my position has to be rooted in numbers projections. and i m confident that without a lockdown the infections would not have crippled the country in illness or death — a horrible horrible illness, that nearly all recuperate from — unless, they are already seriously ill and in many cases near deaths door —

    Making a claim that considering the other vitals in the country is callous or in some manner ignorant of the emotional impact in dealing the matter of appropriate sympathetic or empathetic terms. the emotional card.

    But if the stock market grows with 50% of the population out work — for four mounts or more — then something is drastically amiss between the population and wealth creation and distribution. You bet the economy matters. And by economy, the issue is not the market, it’s getting people in a position to pay their bills and feed their families. That’s the end game — empowering people so they can — do somethings simple as get healthcare you need. And that means generating an economy. And while the executive didn’t get that nuance across — most people surely understood it. Even you who even now is misconstruing the issue for political benefit.

    Tail gate parties on examination –republicans actually attended to the lockdowns with more grit than liberals in leadership — sure there was grumbling, but not all of that was from republicans, in fact, we have no idea which party grumbled more on that issue — but we do have evidence that liberals were more in tune to their own wants as they were caught routinely in violation.

  361. “Big difference. Only a measly 200,000+ dead when the pandemic is still nowhere near finished. I’m sure that’ll make seniors feel better.”

    Do get a grip know what else isn’t finished

    [MORE]

    Cancer
    lung disease
    emphysema
    the flu
    chicken pox
    malaria
    tuberculosis

    What Are the Top 10 Causes of Death in the US Each Year?

    Heart Disease.
    Cancer.
    Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease.
    Accidents.
    Stroke.
    Alzheimer’s Disease.
    Diabetes.
    Influenza and Pneumonia.
    Kidney Disease.
    Suicide.
    measles
    aids

    Covid is due to make the op ten list and even that isn’t fully known because the virus as nearly always associated with another life threatening illnesses and no mechanisms could decipher which ultimately ended a life save in rare cases.

    I cannot say the virus was a hoax, bit how it was manged to indict the current executive and those of us who voted for him — shameless sham rhetorical discourse

    Today president Trump announced along with its developers a potential vaccine — and right away the current nominee was pushing back that we won’t have a way forward for months yet.

  362. Is an attitude present representative of a Mr. Scrooge” on this site — no.

    Color politics and the glories of whiteness

    Laugh I think so.

  363. Mr. Anon says:
    @James Forrestal

    “Listen, goy — Mexifornia didn’t go Dem because it went from 90% White to 35% White! It was because of shifts in the political preferences of that (rapidly diminishing) 35% minority! It’s like, BASIC MATH, doncha know!”

    I never said that. The mexicanization of California had a lot to do with it. But even then, Whites vote at a higher rate than do hispanics. Do you imagine that all Whites in California are John Birchers or something? Have you ever been to California? The white population has gotten vastly more liberal than it used to be.

    Do you have an evidence to support this ludicrously ignorant claim?

    Do you have any for yours? The only ignorance I see here is yours.

  364. Q-ship says:
    @John Johnson

    Trump’s COVID-19 response will go down as one of the biggest own goals in political history.

  365. @Mr. Anon

    I never said that. The mexicanization of California had a lot to do with it. But even then, Whites vote at a higher rate than do hispanics. Do you imagine that all Whites in California are John Birchers or something? Have you ever been to California? The white population has gotten vastly more liberal than it used to be.

    Not only liberal but an extra dopey form where they have the arrogant California attitude of thinking that they can ignore facts and data.

  366. KenR says:

    The thesis of this extremely bad and repulsive article is that exit polling data and voter data prove the XYZ claims of Brad Griffin.

    But who in the target audience believes: 1) the exit polls (or indeed ANY polls these days), or 2) the voter data?

    What a giant, circular, self-serving argument that Mr. Griffin has served up.

  367. Jay Fink says:
    @John Johnson

    It was disappointing that Trump and Republicans in general latched on the Covid denial train. It didn’t have to be that way. The first websites I saw that were taking it seriously in January when it was isolated to China were alternative right. They were way ahead of mainstream Democrats. Yet because of Trump’s reaction Dems have the perception of taking this seriously very early on.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @John Johnson
  368. @AReply

    Lol, this event brings the whole fraud accusation into question. This is utterly embarrassing.
    But one doesn’t expect competency from low IQ subhumans like Q-Tards, MIGA cunts and cuckservatives.

  369. @John Johnson

    They will defend this toppled bandwagon like how they defend the non existing wall, the endless blowjobs given by their kike servant “president” to a legion of nigger, spics and yids. And how instead of destroying the swamp as promised, he has successfully agitated several nuclear countries, the most worrisome being China, which is now undisputedly the most powerful country on earth.

    Oh hell, it was worth it though. Muh based gawd emprah! Trust da plan!

    Fucking subhumans. Amerimutts deserve whatever is coming. 1945 payback, bitch.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @skrik
  370. utu says:
    @Jay Fink

    “The first websites I saw that were taking it seriously in January […] were alternative right.” – The alt-right is very susceptible the memes about the constructed reality that something is fake or does not exist because they do not control media and are disenfranchised. One should ask the question whether the meme that the virus was fake was purposefully planted, say by Chinese or Russians, to assure that America’s response to the pandemic would be a failure.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  371. anastasia says:

    The people who voted for Biden knowingly voted for a criminal.
    He made millions as Vioe President, and after he left the Vice Presidency up to now, he made millions more. He was given this money from foreign countries, some not so friendly, like China and Russia. He and his family were not given all this money as a retirement gift. Something back was expected of him. It must have been difficult for that 78 year old man very apparently suffering from mild dementia, to muster up the energy to run for President. He didn’t campaign; he answered no questions of the media, because they had no questions, he was completely exposed with evidence that rises to the level of proof that he is a crook. He was also a two time loser in past elections. How he won would arouse anyone’s suspicion. But he won, and now he has to pay back those countries who gave him all that money.

    Biden is not worried about that. He has no intention of using his own money. But he has every intention of using his newly found power and maybe even your money. Certainly, he will use your country.

    I wonder how those foreign countries in giving him all those millions could be so sure that there would be a pay back day? Did they know something you didn’t?

  372. @Mr. Anon

    Clearly you’re not really used to this whole “thinking” thing.

    Let me make it easier for you:

    1. Mr. Anon claims that Mexifornia moved left politically and became a one-party state, not due to the obvious cause (massive invasion by non-Whites who vote Dem], but because all of the conservative White goyim just up and died.

    2. Mr. Anon fails to realize that everyone dies.

    3. For Mr. Anon’s “all the White conservative goyim in California died, and only da libruls R left” explanation to have any explanatory power, there would have to be some evidence that White conservatives are dying at higher rates that non-Whites and/ or White liberals. Because guess what — White liberals and non-Whites die, too.

    4. This is not a difficult concept for anyone with an IQ significantly above room temperature, btw.

    Do you have any for yours?

    So you’re completely incapable of citing the merest iota of actual evidence in support of your “differential White conservative death rate” theory? What a surprise…

    But in response to your question — of course. And I’m always glad to assist the differently-cognitively-abled with their ignorance. Let’s start with the basics — how Whites vote vs. how non-Whites vote. <a title=”"All non-White groups vote solidly Dem:

    “Pew Research Center survey data spanning more than two decades shows that the Democratic Party maintains a wide and long-standing advantage among Black, Hispanic and Asian American registered voters.”

    Meanwhile, the GOP is the White party — it cannot win without a solid White majority:

    Another way of illustrating this — what the 2018 election results would look like if only non-Whites voted:

    You blabbered that “Whites vote at a higher rate than do ‘hispanics’ [mestizos]”. That’s nice. Higher than Asians, too. So what? If you have any evidence that this difference has changed over time, you’re welcome to cite it. Otherwise it’s completely irrelevant. Meanwhile, back in reality land, let’s look at Mexifornia’s electorate from 2000-2018 [Pew data linked above]:

    2000 60% 12,093,000
    2010 52% 11,950,000
    2018 45% 11,750,000

    The number of White eligible voters remained relatively stable, while their proportion of the electorate dropped sharply. In other words, no evidence for your theory of a sudden fatal epidemic affecting large numbers of White conservative goyim, but a lot of evidence for a massive increase in non-White eligible voters).

    This is a decent summary of how the non-White invasion of California changed its politics — the author’s narrative is virulently anti-White, but the underlying demographic facts are indisputable:

    Looking at those who actually voted in elections, as distinct from those who were eligible to do so, the number of white voters in California dropped steadily, from 83 percent in 1980 to 79 percent in 1992 to 70 percent in 2000.”

    If you’re still confused, I’d recommend reading that piece in its entirety. It points out that the US as a whole is following the same downward path of White demographic replacement and consequent Democrat hegemony that California did, only 15 years or so later.

    I can see it now — Mr. Anon’s “explanation” for this nationwide decline will be that “Well a bunch of White librul goyim moved here from Belgium, and all the White conservatives died, or moved to Australia or something”…

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    , @Mr. Anon
  373. Alden says:
    @HeebHunter

    Most historians claim it was really Russia that defeated Germany in 1945. And that the US just waited till the Russians had weakened Germany so badly it was easy to overcome.

    So blame Russia, not America for Germany’s loss in 1945. Or Stalin and Hitler for conspiring to divide up Eastern Europe with a useful little war.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  374. @Trinity

    we need someone with a will of iron, 100% commitment to the TRUTH,

    Trump brings none of that. Why is it so hard to understand? The man is a spoiled baby who plays golf constantly, never reads his briefings and lies constantly. The truth for Trump is just whatever is good for him. If he could figure out a way to get all the black and hispanic votes he would leave the white working class folk in the dust.

    He switched political positions 180 degrees to sucker people like you into voting for him, and then did nothing. No wall, no infrastructure bill, no troop withdrawals, no healthcare, and no Christian revival. All we got were more tax breaks for the rich, a massive deficit and more white women deciding Trump made being woke look good. Well, if you were a farmer you now get to live on government subsidies as a result of the tariff war, that’s something I guess. Turning white farmers into welfare recipients definitely was not Jefferson’s vision though.

  375. Mr. Anon says:
    @James Forrestal

    Let me make it easier for you:

    1. Mr. Anon claims that Mexifornia moved left politically and became a one-party state, not due to the obvious cause (massive invasion by non-Whites who vote Dem], but because all of the conservative White goyim just up and died.

    No, that isn’t what I said, you asshat.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  376. @utu

    I am not gaslighting. If you were foolishly enough to support Trump despite everything we knew about him for decades, you deserve all the urine coming your way. It’s not the lower IQ folks who sre the “deplorables”. It’s the higher IQ engineer and economist types who bend over backwards to justify everything Trump does when it should be obvious Trump is simply a spoiled narcissist. It is odd for people who talk about IQ and love to complain about black criminality, black lack of impulse control and how blacks demonstrate verbal dexterity with no content behind it, blacks putting emotion over reason pretend that Trump is an avatar of the white race. Or maybe Trump’s “black” behavior is what secretly appeals to you?

    • Replies: @AP
  377. @Jay Fink

    That is actually a really good point.

    Early on it was alternative media that was concerned that it was a pandemic.

    It was also alternative media that pointed out how the outbreak just happened to be next to their only virology lab. Our MSM barely touched on that and went with China’s story that it was from the wet market.

    I also remember the MSM was buying the WHO’s claim that it wasn’t spreading. Alternative right media was calling BS on the whole thing.

    This all sucks but we were doomed to someone like Harris anyways.

    Too many Whites are indoctrinated by the media and the colleges. They really buy the liberal explanation that race doesn’t exist and Whitey has just held everyone back.

    It’s not just politics. Most White people think nature/Gods work is racially balanced and they have guilt in their daily lives over the world being unequal. All those White inventors and great thinkers are just part of oppression and racism. They really believe this. Without rectifying this problem Whites will give away their own self-interest. They will cede to the left because the left promises to fix everything. In their minds the world should be equal and only the left is offering “science” based solutions. This is the core problem we have to crack and Trump isn’t going to help us.

  378. There are a lot of graphs here, which equates to a lot of data to sift through.

    There _is_ an issue tho- 20% of Biden’s votes don’t actually exist, they were programmed in from the internet/ TOR chains. Voting manipulation at 3:30am through 6:30am, all of which violates statistical methodology for elections – all of which favors Biden.

    >https://twitter.com/zenxv/status/1325638638936481793
    >https://twitter.com/mattsmith_news/status/1323914505638809601
    At 5AM EST, November 4, 169k votes suddenly disappeared from Virginia. At 5AM EST, November 4, 169k mail-in votes were received in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin’s time-zone, this was part of the surprise 4AM resuming of counting that occurred whilst Americans were asleep, and these ballots flipped Wisconsin in Biden’s favor.

    This cannot conceivably be a coincidence; there is no “software glitch” here.

  379. @Rational

    I’m really laughing at the fact that people think that voting makes any difference. Did you guys really think US elections weren’t rigged earlier?

    George Carlin quote:

    I don’t vote. Two reasons. First of all it’s meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, ‘If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain’, but where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.

    • Thanks: gay troll
  380. Wielgus says:

    Meanwhile Paula White confronts the situation with logic and science 🙂

  381. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tucker

    Are people also buying gas masks and other NBC gear? Such a raid will begin with gas canisters coming through the windows. Ideally you really want to be on the hillside overlooking your home when it happens, not trapped inside.

  382. “I am not gaslighting. If you were foolishly enough to support Trump despite everything we knew about him for decades, you deserve all the urine coming your way. It’s not the lower IQ folks who sre the “deplorables”.”

    Ohhh silliness.

    The only thing we know. This constant nonsensical refrain carries no weight. Accusations about candidates and their past not knew. This election was not the candidates passed. It’s about the fact that the established candidates whose performances were dismal failed to comprehend just how dismal they were and instead of addressing that question and seeking to change any course — except let’s appeal to Hispanics, offer more of the same, and do your schtick call people names —–

    In this case “stupid”. It’s one thing for Sec Clinton to call the opposition names, but to call your constituents names ——

    And what played to this executive’s credit is that he pretty much was what you saw.

    ———————————————–

    I based my position on policy and when his choices went against said policy — then he was roundly critiqued. I feel a tad guilty about that now. But he sis not lose because admonitions to stay on course.

    And while, there are choices he made that would made his election easier —- for once, I can look at the landscape and acknowledge that in this election, there was some real concerns about the process.

    And it wasn’t that his usual supporters voted for the opposition —-

    If I wanted to apply the strictest of personality standards — Jesus himself would not qualify.
    “This business of upending tables in the Temple.” “Geeez, the temper and attitude of this guy”

    But in comparison to all others he might make the grade, but people like you would be forever going on about that temple episode and add, insinuations that the man was a cannibal –“eating his flesh — ewww”

    Get a grip

  383. Personal correction: my observations about covid and the elections might have been in April as opposed to march — just to be clear

  384. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    The alt-right is very susceptible the memes about the constructed reality that something is fake or does not exist because they do not control media and are disenfranchised. One should ask the question whether the meme that the virus was fake was purposefully planted, say by Chinese or Russians, to assure that America’s response to the pandemic would be a failure.

    Actually, I think there’s a much more sensible explanation of the Flu Hoax nonsense, as I explained at the time several months ago:

    Well, I happen to have my own “conspiracy theory” about what’s really going on behind the scenes of these controversies…

    That Anglin fellow seems like a pretty sharp guy and I used to regularly look at his website, though a great deal of the material is obviously over-the-top satire or performance art.

    Assuming you’ve read my recent article, you know that I think it’s pretty likely that the whole Coronavirus outbreak was a biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), presumably by some of the Deep State Neocons around Trump. I had my suspicions from fairly early on, and I know that Anglin also said the same thing on a number of occasions. The whole situation was really rather blatant when you think about it. I repeatedly made the point in late January comments.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    But as my article emphasizes, the people behind the attack had anticipated such accusations, and so they had launched their own major propaganda offensive by mid-January, widely promoting the idea in rightwing circles that the virus was an accidentally released Chinese bioweapon, with ZeroHedge one of their primary venues.

    I remember around March, Anglin was freely saying the whole thing was going to be a total disaster in America due to Trump’s incompetence, and huge numbers of people would die. And I think he even said how shocked he was at how absurdly easily the Trump people were finding it to deflect the blame on China, even though that made absolutely no sense.

    So I suspect that he realized the “China bioweapon” story was just too well entrenched among (gullible) right-wing activists to be easily dislodged with more plausible information when the topic really became hot in America around then. And he decided to launch a clever flank attack instead, and focus on the “It’s Just the Flu!!!” nonsense, which had also been floating around in fringe circles.

    Based on the comments to that ZeroHedge article someone linked, it seems to have worked perfectly. The “China bioweapon” people at ZeroHedge are apparently getting totally swamped by the “It’s Just the Flu!!” people. After all, if It’s Just the Flu! how can anyone blame China?

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/lifting-the-lockdown-easy-does-it/#comment-3863472

    • Replies: @utu
  385. AP says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    It’s the higher IQ engineer and economist types who bend over backwards to justify everything Trump does when it should be obvious Trump is simply a spoiled narcissist

    Trump being a spoiled narcissist (I generally agree with how you describe him in your posts) and Trump clearly being a lesser evil are not mutually exclusive phenomena.

    I voted for neither major party candidate in 2016 but voted for Trump this year. He has kept the courts safe from a far left takeover for at least a decade. Too late perhaps, but eventually he identified and blocked the evil and divisive critical race theory from government institutions. He has overseen an economy that has shown growth across the board but especially for working class people. He stopped any inflow of Muslim “refugees” for years, right when letting them in was still relatively popular and likely, thus keeping us safer. He has avoided all wars, thus saving many lives (those of our own boys, but also the potential Muslim victims of such wars) and preventing much misery in the world. He has provided real help to Eastern Europe. The Nordstream2 pipeline was initiated on Obama’s watch and would have been completed long ago. Trump’s sanctions delayed it enough to provide several billion dollars into Ukraine’s coffers. At the same time he has avoided open and potentially real tragic conflict with Russia. His negatives have no been unique to him. He botched Covid – as did most of Europe and Latin America. I am not confident a Democratic administration would have been better; I recall Democrats whining about Trump being a xenophobic when he shut the border.

    And Trump achieved what he did in spite of massive unending assault upon him by the media. And despite the fact that he may be motivated by base purposes rather than noble ones. I guess that what is best for regular Americans happens to coincide with what is best for a businessman of the old, pre-multinational-corporate type. And that regular Americans were precisely the ones whom the other political forces in the USA had neglected, that this was identified by Trump, and that he addressed their unmet needs in order to ride into the White House.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  386. @AP

    Covid-19 aka certificate of vaccination ID-19 is one of the biggest scams in the history of the world and the CDC admits on its website that covid-19 does not exist, the whole thing is a scam, a fraud, a lie and a psyop to bring in a one world government and pushed by the kabal and UN Agenda 2030.

  387. ———————————————————

    Ohhh good grief,

    Conservatives and Republicans id not react to the virus as though it was just the flu. Sure some people called it a hoax, plenty of people found the matter dubious period. But by and large they responded to the protocols in place — took the matter seriously.

    The major thrust for me was its lethal threat and that question remains open. The impact on the election was how the issue was used. And frankly, I am willing to bet a penny to a dime that had the response been less extreme, the consequences would have been negligible. And that was the case early on —- while serious — overall it’s lethality if one one wants get passed the emotionalism — was slight.

    The global panic was and remains over heated rhetoric. He did not botch COVID, he responded as he was led by the CDC and all bets were off as to who had a some grand winning plan.

    ______________________________________

    I can certainly sympathize with the white get out the vote mantra —- but minus white votes the opposition would not have been as close as they were.

    And the reason that blacks who were essentially pressed out the republican party in the 1960’s vote democratic is because of a political shift in repairing illegal practices in southern states .

    Skin color is a benign trait, undoing its weaponization before and after the civil war will take some work , do it or not but for goodness sake if every nonwhite color group voted for the the opposition — and only they —

    the opposition would be in far worse shape

    So fond of numbers and yet — that reality escapes you. But it will be interesting to see how the democrats are the black party shtick plays — extremes are powerful tools..

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  388. skrik says:
    @HeebHunter

    Fucking subhumans. Amerimutts deserve whatever is coming. 1945 payback, bitch

    IMHO it wasn’t so much in Europe where the septics really went bad, but in the H&N A-bombings. Three predominantly *non*-military cities were kept ‘pristine’ and two were appallingly, *inhumanly* obliterated [the 3rd having luckily ‘escaped’ due to unsuitable weather conditions on ‘the day.’] Hirohito&Co were actively attempting to surrender, there was no need for the US to invade = risk an overblown projected squio of ‘sacrificed’ grunts. Back in Germany, US was implementing ‘Operation Paperclip’ as part of transferring [augmenting?] Nazi-ism/fascism ‘home’ to the US, where [as we can well see] it has long and successfully festered. Then, as HeebHunter says, there are the kikes = parasitic pests. We can thank Trump for one ‘small’ thing though; if [as it looks], Russia and China are moving to form a solid ‘countervailing’ bloc, the world may eventually [sooner rather than later, please] escape out from under the detested US/Z hegemon. rgds

  389. Pancho says:

    I think Amerika is much better having an enemy in the White House rather than a traitor.

  390. @Alden

    Most historians are hacks. Without the gargantuan US industrial base Germany would win any type of war. Blitzkrieg, war of attrition. They had the skill, the manpower and the industrial capacity to defeat Russia soundly on their own. Britain was no more than a nuisance.

    The historians focus on manpower when it was a war of economic resources. At wars end Germany still had 11 million men under arms. The men was not the problem, providing them with food, fuel and ammunition was.

    And in that field, America eclipsed Russia manyfold.

  391. Hey boys,
    What do you think of this article?

  392. Gammer says:

    No doubt, the computer system fraud is the most blatant and will turn around the election. You have to view this from outer space…the powers that be want as close to a 50% split as possible and they have been manipulating the system for a very long time towards this result with the objective to DIVIDE AND CONQUER! The oldest strategy in the book! Looking at the computer system alone, just switching back the mistake in Wisconsin has changed the result by 60,000! Certainly enough to change the result and elect more republicans across the board, Senate, House and President. Talk about a Red sweep wqhen this sucker is all over. The final question will be if the Dems have anything left, I suspect this will crash their party and it will splinter on the ground in a million pieces, along with the media, universities, and other systems that supported it.

  393. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    My reasoning is based on the cui bono position. I really do not know from where “It’s Just the Flu!!” meme spread and who seeded it first but if you are correct that Anglin played a significant role in it and his objective, as you posit, was to sabotage the “Chinese bioweapon” meme then he did what any Chinese agent of influence should/would have done. If Anglin was the first stone that helped to kill two birds: (1) sabotage “Chinese bioweapon” meme and (2) contribute to the erratic response to the virus in America that significantly will weaken America vis-à-vis China, China should give him a medal even if his driving force was just a spite and antics of the performance artists.

    I do not think that our speculative takes are that much different except that I accept a possibility of malice playing a role in Chinese actions. Perhaps because I am more cynical or less idealistic about the purity of Chinese hearts that are not above wishing us ill and not above acting on the wishes.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  394. @EliteCommInc.

    Conservatives and Republicans id not react to the virus as though it was just the flu.

    Trump and Hannity called it a flu multiple times.

    He did not botch COVID, he responded as he was led by the CDC and all bets were off as to who had a some grand winning plan.

    What he botched was his response as a leader. That is what the press and left capitalized on. Of course they aren’t going to report his policy honestly. Republicans have to fight the press to get their message out and Trump kept giving them red meat with his tweets and predictions. Having indoor rallies was also really stupid. If he just kept his mouth shut he probably would have won.

    Skin color is a benign trait, undoing its weaponization before and after the civil war will take some work

    This is the language of the left that implies race is only skin color. If race was only skin color then this website wouldn’t exist. Both Con Inc and liberal theories would have worked by now and Unz wouldn’t have an audience.

  395. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    My reasoning is based on the cui bono position. I really do not know from where “It’s Just the Flu!!” meme spread and who seeded it first…I do not think that our speculative takes are that much different except that I accept a possibility of malice playing a role in Chinese actions.

    Well, here’s another way of looking at it…

    The notion that large portions of the American public convincing themselves that the dangerous Covid-19 epidemic was merely a hoax even while while many tens of thousands of Americans were filling hospital wards and dying in NYC and other major cities seems so utterly fantastical that no satirical magazine could have proposed it. No one could possibly believe that that Americans could be so crazy or so stupid.

    Therefore, I find it very difficult to believe that any Chinese or Russian intelligence service might have proposed it as an anti-American strategy.

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @utu
    , @Anonymous
  396. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    The notion that large portions of the American public convincing themselves that the dangerous Covid-19 epidemic was merely a hoax

    To be fair, Ron, rather than suggesting it was a hoax, many of your serious detractors were simply questioning the degree of danger this novel virus represented.

    As you know, Neil Ferguson of ICL assumed an IFR of ~1.0%, which produced projected death rates of 2.2 million for America and 510k for Britain, in the do nothing scenario.

    You seemed to be convinced in the robustness of their modelling and accepted these inflated fatality rates.

    Here’s a previous exchange you had regarding the impact of countermeasures on these ICL projections:

    [MORE]

    Corvinus: Currently (March 29), we have 138,908 and 2,438 deaths. So, what will be the number four months from now? Is it not possible that the death toll may not be 400K to 1 million because of the precautions we are taking now?

    Ron Unz: Well maybe, but my reasoning says otherwise

    So let’s assume a couple of million current infections, plus the raging outbreak in New York, and new ones starting up in Louisiana, Florida, Detroit, Chicago, and various other places. Plus if/when NYC gets really bad, I’d expect tens of thousands to flee all around the country, many of them carrying the virus with them.

    Like I said, I think we’ll be lucky to avoid a million deaths by early summer

    https://www.unz.com/runz/correctly-estimating-coronavirus-infections/?showcomments#comment-3804844

    As of today, the reported deaths in the US is just under 250k. In early summer, I’d wager the were less than half this amount.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @utu
  397. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your premise “No one could possibly believe that Americans could be so crazy or so stupid.” is wrong. Mencken before WWII with his “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” already knew that you can really push the envelope when manipulating Americans. And not only Americans because the “It’s Just the Flu!!” meme was caught by Europeans as well. In the era of internet it is easy. Taiwanese authorities aware of the danger so subsequently people spreading false rumors about the Covid-19 that could undermine their anti-pandemic measures were fined and/or arrested. As you perfectly know from many commenters in the UR the idea that the reality is constructed and media and government can get away with anything in constructing that reality took hold of people’s minds. So pushing another meme that this what they are saying in the media is just another lie like 9/11, Moon landing and countless events with the crisis actors was easy to predict that it would get a traction.

  398. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Flu is an illness of crowded urban centers. It’s also an illness of the cold winter months. Wherever you have people in cold places crowded together in unsanitary conditions you have flu epidemics.

    Many Americans live in such conditions. Many do not. Why should the latter have their lives ruined for the sake of the former?

    Really, it’s in situations like this that federalism makes sense. Let each state implement the strategy that best suits its conditions and don’t try to force the same policy on the whole country.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  399. @Anonymous

    “Really, it’s in situations like this that federalism makes sense. Let each state implement the strategy that best suits its conditions and don’t try to force the same policy on the whole country. ”

    I also support your common sense strategy which by its nature has nothing to do with federalism. You can apply common sense wherever you like including within parts of a city. The problem is this : what if you are dealing with decision-makers who look like Trump, act and think like Trump ? You can not state ” let each state implement the strategy that BEST SUITS ITS CONDITIONS ” and run away. I know that you are not running away – atleast for now!!

  400. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    To be fair, Ron, rather than suggesting it was a hoax, many of your serious detractors were simply questioning the degree of danger this novel virus represented.

    As of today, the reported deaths in the US is just under 250k. In early summer, I’d wager the were less than half this amount.

    Well, this is entirely off-topic, but I suppose I do need to respond…

    Given both over-reporting and under-reporting factors, I think the most reliable metric of Covid-19 fatalities is total “excess deaths.” As of a month or so ago, these had already passed 300K. Given rising current death rates, it looks like we’ll be north of 400K by the end of the year, and easily break half a million even if a vaccine does become widely available within another few months.

    Now half a million American deaths sounds like a pretty big number to me. Admittedly, I’d thought the total might be considerably higher when we were all blindly speculating back in March or April, but the people arguing with me were very far wrong in the opposite direction. You might want to revisit your own statements back then.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  401. Pruckus says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    What are Depends? They don’t exist in our reality due to the Mandela Effect. We now have Depend diapers, and always have. Don’t believe me?

  402. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    You might want to revisit your own statements back then.

    comment posted, March 30, 2020 at 3:09 am GMT • 7.5 months ago:

    Incitatus: Where do you stand Geo?

    geokat62: I lean towards the 100k to 200k figure put out by Dr. Fauci… a far cry from the millions that Ron is backing.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/correctly-estimating-coronavirus-infections/?showcomments#comment-3806606

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  403. anon[698] • Disclaimer says:

    >”It’s just the flu, bro. Old people have to die for the economy because I need to live my life … of tailgating and happy hour. Tweet: punch cucks who wear facemasks in public cuz Imma macho man who don’t fear no flu.”

    >Loses winnable election.

    >Noooooo! It was stolen.

  404. gay troll says:

    When this whole shit show started they said they were going to lock us down for two weeks to flatten the curve. Eight months later, all you can say is mission accomplished, the curve couldn’t possibly be flatter. Can we save anyone’s life or are we only prolonging the inevitable? I thought it was difficult if not impossible to create a vaccine for RNA viruses? But now we are literally destroying the last vestiges of Main Street economy on the premise of finding a cure for the new common cold? The disproportionate economic fallout of COVID is proof that there are other agendas afoot. The U.S. COVID response is all about providing suitable optics for economic collapse and/or NWO.

  405. They don’t bother to hide what they’re planning. Event 201 lays it out.

  406. Espinoza says:

    What is Kushner’s strategy? Not clearly explained.

  407. utu says:
    @geokat62

    “in the do nothing scenario” – Is the key phrase. What is misleading about it is that ‘do nothing’ never happens. Once people become aware of the epidemic they “do something”, they begin to modify their behavior to increase social distancing even w/o being prompted by the authorities . So the “do nothing scenario” is purely theoretical.

    My impression is that when Ron Unz was talking about one million or so deaths it was always in the context of nothing being done. He was arguing against the “It is just a flu!” and “Do nothing!” crowd to which you belonged. He was arguing in favor of countermeasures to prevent one million or so deaths. Ron Unz did not make prediction about the deaths total with countermeasures. Neither did you.

    So, now when your ‘prediction’ of March turned out to be somewhat close (let’s say 50% off) I think you are totally disingenuous and shameless by bringing it up now. Your ‘prediction’ turned out to be within 50% only because many countermeasures have been taken then and since. The countermeasures that you were against because you were in “It is just a flu!” mode and we should “Do nothing! ” mode and “Doing something will not make a difference!” mode.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  408. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    geokat62: I lean towards the 100k to 200k figure put out by Dr. Fauci… a far cry from the millions that Ron is backing.

    Hmmm… I don’t recall ever claiming that “millions” of Americans would die. It’s possible I’m mistaken, but you should find the reference. Otherwise, you’ve revealed that you tend to wildly exaggerate.

    From early on, all the evidence was that Covid-19 has an average fatality rate in the 0.5%-1.0% range. Herd immunity would kick in at around 60-70% infections, meaning about 2.5M Americans. So 2 million Americans deaths was close to a worst-case scenario. Right now, we’re probably looking at a half-million deaths if the new vaccine becomes widely available early in 2021, whereas back in March I feared we’d easily pass 1 million. So I was obviously wrong.

    But you were arguing for maybe 100K-200K deaths, so you were very far off as well.

    I was off by maybe a factor of 2x, while you were off by a factor between 2.5x and 5x. Is that something to brag about?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  409. AReply says:

    The notion that lives must be sacrificed to an epidemic in order to preserve abstract income is a marvel to me.

    No one can claim they have a definitive hamdle on epidrmic response, so there’s no reason to assume that a lockdown can succeed. The point is to chose what we value in society and arrange our affairs to support this. What’s needed versus what’s just nice-to-have.

    Money has been shown to be completely free. It was this realization that led — in the more distant sense — to Breton Woods. The state constructs it to lubricate the economy so that human energy is activated into creation of real wealth; meaning the material means of a quality of existence.

    This epidemic is a test of our capacity to organize our affairs beyond simple expediency of profit.

    The ecological problems we face require a similar stepping beyond and putting in place (aufheben) as this epidemic.

    The forcing of activity for the sole purpose of main-street’s (Walmart’s) balance sheet is absurd. The point of the economy is the expression of service of a society to its people, not the service of the people to the economy.

    Any argument that we have to sacrifice life to maintain an abstraction is suspect at least and criminal when you start picking groups who should be jettisoned so you can make or preserve your nut.

    Where are we, the Dark Ages?

    We hold the power both intelligently and productively to supply a decent life for everyone, and we should, we far less waste than we have grown accustomed to. If the evidence manifests of sacrifices required to secure the general welfare you may be surprised at how people are willing to commit because it supports and preserves something they cherish. While America’s wise old men were late to the game and might have chosen to forgo sacrifice, somehow we came together and fought for a bunch of outcasts of the most energetic and “modern” industrial empires of the early 20th century. We fought for the very people that a segment of bottom-feeding blow-hards on this site denigrate as scum. And we somehow were pretty damn proud to do it.

    My grandfather was a member of an anti-fascist organization before i was born. It was called the U.S. Army!

    So chill the fuck out on all the conspiracy theories and petty fetish race baiting, and stop thinking the worst of everyone just because the 45th President is a rabid political animal working to maintain a party of bigots and imbeciles.

    A lockdown does not have to imply that society is destroyed. We can figure out how to cut back and make changes that preserve service of basic needs while curtailing rampant excess that serves no real purpose to quality of life but is merely mindless life-style.

    We have to figure this out anyway to correct for a looming ecosystem collapse. So let’s just get started now.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  410. geokat62 says:
    @utu

    He was arguing against the “It is just a flu!” and “Do nothing!” crowd to which you belonged.

    I think you are totally disingenuous and shameless by bringing it up now.

    Disingenuous is someone who claims someone else is in the “Do Nothing” crowd when that someone was suggesting that lockdowns may have been the wrong approach and that quarantining the healthy was an unprecedented step to take and that the Swedes may have ended up doing things right. I think the last 7 or so months have vindicated that this pandemic was nowhere near as deadly as those initial images from Wuhan suggested.

    Whereas the Spanish flu of 1918 is estimated to have killed up to 100 million people, SARS-CoV-2 has reportedly claimed the lives of less than 1.5 million people.

    So, rather than labelling those who questioned the lethality of this virus as “Just the flu” crowd, it would be more accurate to label us “It’s not the Spanish flu” crowd.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  411. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hmmm… I don’t recall ever claiming that “millions” of Americans would die. It’s possible I’m mistaken, but you should find the reference.

    Introductory paragraph to, The Government Employee Who May Have Saved a Million American Lives:

    Dr. Sarah Cody. That’s the name of a local government employee probably unknown to almost everyone reading this. Yet I think there’s a good chance that a million or more Americans will owe her their lives.

    But you were arguing for maybe 100K-200K deaths, so you were very far off as well.

    It’s November 11 and according to the statistics in worldometer the US has covid related deaths that are less than 250k. And I’m the one whose estimate was far off?

    Is that something to brag about?

    I wasn’t bragging, Ron. Just pointing out whose estimate was closer to being right. But, if we’re going to raise the issue of faulty character traits, I believe you were the one insulting people, as “half wits” for suggesting the mortality figures may not end up being a million or more.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Ron Unz
  412. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    It’s November 11…

    Now that I think of it, if I’m not mistaken the estimates we both made had a time stamp of “early summer.” But, you can correct me if I’m wrong.

  413. @geokat62

    Whereas the Spanish flu of 1918 is estimated to have killed up to 100 million people, SARS-CoV-2 has reportedly claimed the lives of less than 1.5 million people.

    So, rather than labelling those who questioned the lethality of this virus as “Just the flu” crowd, it would be more accurate to label us “It’s not the Spanish flu” crowd.

    It wasn’t a problem of semantics. It was a problem of downplaying its severity. We had people on here telling us that the MSM was behind the whole thing and that self-made videos by hospital workers were fake.

    It wasn’t just one or two people. I was scolded here by multiple people for pointing out that this virus was shutting down hospitals and killing health care workers.

    The tribal right that would lay down on train tracks for Trump ending up working for the opposition due to their unwillingness to face the problem. It doesn’t matter if only X percent have died compared to Y plague. That talking point doesn’t address the problem of hospitals not having enough beds and sticking infected patients in hallways. Even worse is that we had a huge contingent here were trying to deny the hospital problem in the first place and accused the MSM of making the whole thing up. Totally insane and had the opposite effect.

    The is what backfired and it had nothing to do with Kushner.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @MarkinLA
  414. “He did not botch COVID, he responded as he was led by the CDC and all bets were off as to who had a some grand winning plan.

    What he botched was his response as a leader. That is what the press and left capitalized on. Of course they aren’t going to report his policy honestly. Republicans have to fight the press to get their message out and Trump kept giving them red meat with his tweets and predictions. Having indoor rallies was also really stupid. If he just kept his mouth shut he probably would have won.

    Skin color is a benign trait, undoing its weaponization before and after the civil war will take some work

    This is the language of the left that implies race is only skin color. If race was only skin color then this website wouldn’t exist. Both Con Inc and liberal theories would have worked by now and Unz wouldn’t have an audience.”

    Not at all. He did what was recommended. So what if he called it a flu. At that time, no one was sure exactly what COVID was, it’s symptoms are flu-like, it responds to flu vaccines.

    He responded seriously. Did he play it down initially. Sure. Makes perfect sense. Until you know what one is dealing with extreme response and reactions should be held at bay. No national leader invites panic. I defend China’s response in the same way. Prudence.

    As it is, the legality remains — one not to panic about. My bet is that hospitals were loaded with panicked individuals, who did not have it, but had similarly associated symptoms. All the types of scenarios that hinder care — panic stricken people. The responses here was reasonable. The media hyperscare was typical play at making themselves a vital conduit of information — snore.

    Two issues should have nearly collapsed our current media apparatus: the invasions and interventions by other names and the financial eye opener in 2007/2008.

    Stunningly complicit and wrong on nearly every measure.

    His measured response and reassurances were fine.

    ———————————————————-

    Given the turnout — COVID actual had little impact on the vote. That wasn’t the thrust. As long time anti-presidential tweet advocate — of little or no consequence.

    ___________________________________

    Skin color is a biological trait. The term race has been used exclusively to indicate skin color. You and others may want to change that. But given its use universally, both to the tangible and sociological meaning and application — skin color alone is the issue. And nothing you advance will change that history.

    To define a culture, a nationality or human groupings one looks to factors such as language, shared history, practices, religion, etc. In the entirely of black existence, there is no common trait such as to note them outside the race humans — though mistakenly we have tried and failed repeatedly.

    race as in skin color derived from its historical use in language and practice is skin color and skin color is a benign trait.

    I think I neglected to mention

    the current executive and the vice -president won this election.

    I simply don’t buy that rural america or even democrats in the urban communities were dancing in the streets to have men invade women’s restrooms as women.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  415. @AReply

    We hold the power both intelligently and productively to supply a decent life for everyone, and we should, we far less waste than we have grown accustomed to.

    Wishful thinking that ignores third world R selection breeding.

    So chill the fuck out on all the conspiracy theories and petty fetish race baiting, and stop thinking the worst of everyone just because the 45th President is a rabid political animal working to maintain a party of bigots and imbeciles.

    Stop thinking the worst of everyone and then call half the country bigots and imbeciles?

    We have to figure this out anyway to correct for a looming ecosystem collapse. So let’s just get started now.

    The 46th president is senile corporate whore and 47 is a leftist ruse.

    They will promote a couple “feel-good” environmental resolutions that will largely do nothing and will most likely not even offset the environmental impact of the immigrants they bring in.

    Then they will go back to important issues like defending Black felons that attack police and promoting White guilt classes.

    Have a look at California if you think someone like Harris will do anything about creating an environmentally sustainable economy. They import coal power from nearby states and then brag about not building coal plants. Can’t make this stuff up.

  416. and in no political US universe is a party that seems to embrace rioting in the streets going to win an election Your telling me the people of Pennsylvania in wake , near midst, of riots in Philadelphia voted for democrats —–

    Nuts!

  417. @EliteCommInc.

    Not at all. He did what was recommended. So what if he called it a flu. At that time, no one was sure exactly what COVID was, it’s symptoms are flu-like, it responds to flu vaccines.

    No one recommended that he tell the public it will go away soon or that that some untested drug was going to fix it.

    He hung himself with his own words. What he should have done is flip the whole thing on the press and depicted himself as overly concerned. Instead he watched Fox and decided that the MSM was the main problem.

    He responded seriously. Did he play it down initially. Sure. Makes perfect sense. Until you know what one is dealing with extreme response and reactions should be held at bay.

    He downplayed it months after what we had seen in Italy and France.

    We had a window into what could happen with the hospitals. It was nothing to downplay and he along with the tribal right dug in their heals instead of admitting they were wrong. There was plenty of time to reverse his position and Americans would have forgiven him as the WHO and MSM were wrong as well.

    My bet is that hospitals were loaded with panicked individuals, who did not have it, but had similarly associated symptoms.

    That type of betting cost us the election. It shows you are still trying to downplay its severity.

    I remember when an Italian doctor reporting on the virus through his own videos suddenly died from it. Yea just the flu. Happens all the time.

    Italy and France gave us plenty of warning time. As someone pointed out here it was actually alt-right that didn’t buy the WHO initially. Then bizarrely it turned into some grand conspiracy against Trump and these health care workers are just lying or something.

    I don’t believe someone like Biden would have done any better but the Trump 4eva Train really screwed us on this. Too many on the right think mindless cheerleading is the answer to the deceitful MSM. It will never work because the left owns the airwaves and can cheer even louder. A cautious but thorough examination of the facts and without censorship is what terrifies the left. It absolutely terrifies them.

  418. geokat62 says:
    @John Johnson

    Totally insane and had the opposite effect.

    Do you support a second lockdown?

  419. Do you support a second lockdown?

    The widespread month long type lockdown? Definitely not and I didn’t support the first one. Maybe a week for certain types of businesses to suppress asymptomatic spreaders.

    I suspect there is politically incorrect data that health departments aren’t sharing.

    My guess is that apartment buildings are a key source of the spread.

    It’s a tough situation because kids normally run around with each other in those apartments and moms will watch each others kids.

    I don’t think we are working with all the facts. There are too many areas where people are following the rules and cases have gone up. I’m not trying to point fingers, there is just something I feel that is missing.

  420. Laughing oy veh,

    “No one recommended that he tell the public it will go away soon or that that some untested drug was going to fix it.”

    He never said any of the comments you note.

    He said one day it will all go away — it will be a miracle again utterly innocuous the country, even those pesky conservatives obeyed the lockdown protocols, though one has to wonder about those liberals getting their hair done during lockdowns.

    What he said was the number of cases would decrease as the months got warmer — and he was correct.

    He did question why they weren’t testing treatments he thought had positive results — so what? Not a crime. Not a contributor at to the response. He is entitled to listen to other voices in the medical community to address the issue. That he voiced those perspectives in not at all negative. He actually gave voice to a growing practice of alternatives to the established medical view.

    China did a complete lock-down, mexico practically nil.

    ——————————–

    I find it odd that anyone who calls themselves a democrat and a liberal want to fault voicing opposing alternative views — what should be happening is praise for the president’s eclectic perspective.

    Again, if you buy the media shtick — you are welcome to do so. But there’s no evidence that the president’s leadership was uniquely detrimental — even if one though he should do X. He followed the protocols, despite doubting them in in certain aspects.

    ——————
    He was elected on fairly straight forward election minus the bizarre antics of democrats.

    ——-

    now minus the behavior over the last four years, i would probably rest comfortably that the executive lost. But given the numerous failures by democrats, the complete collapse withing their own ranks on multiple issues

    interventions
    capitalism, socialism or communism, the tacit and open support for riots, two in one impeachment failures, uncovering more corruption involving the democrats in the Ukraine and clear evidence that the state dept and the Vp himself under the democratic executive blatantly undermined his policy to avoid getting involved in Ukraine politics any further Sec. Clinton, VP Biden, and a host of staff including the CIA did just the opposite.

    It gets worse every time one sifts through the last four years of democratic leadership . . . and that whole “first husband” thing —- testing a new voting machine and new program . . . wink wink, that was a glitch

    wink wink

    Someone is kidding someone . . and its not me.

    I am a pretty unintelligent guy, but even I know Denmark smells like roses compared to what has been on display in the US this election.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  421. by the numbers

    US number of cases 10,000,000
    Deaths 243,000
    lethality of 2.5%

    with falling caveat: we have no idea of how many are soly deaths from other illnesses because no record is distinguished between coronal which may impact other illnesses

    US percentage to population 3% percent infections and 0.07% fatalities. Double all of the infection numbers and you still don’t get even a 1% fatality rate.

    ————————————————-

    Today and yesterday it is not reported that infection rates went all across the board, I guess the string theory of connectedness is accurate. But I do know this we are also in the early stages of what used to be the flu season.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  422. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Yet I think there’s a good chance that a million or more Americans will owe her their lives.

    Well, sure. If the American government had done absolutely nothing, it’s indeed likely that at least a couple of million Americans would have died, so the lockdowns did probably save a million or more American lives. However, you still haven’t found any place where I predicted that “millions” of Americans would die under the existing scenario, so it’s likely that my memory is correct and you were wildly exaggerating what I said.

    It’s November 11 and according to the statistics in worldometer the US has covid related deaths that are less than 250k. And I’m the one whose estimate was far off?

    The Worldometer totals are certainly a good rough approximation, but everyone knows that both over-counting and under-counting due to misdiagnosis are serious problems, and they probably don’t balance out. So it seems pretty clear that the gold standard is looking at “excess deaths,” which are a simple and objective measure.

    Back in late July, “excess deaths” had already passed 200K, more than 40% above the official Covid-19 death-toll:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html

    Applying that same 40% increment to today’s official 250K total would put the real figure at around 350K, and very likely to pass the half-million mark by early in the new year.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  423. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    However, you still haven’t found any place where I predicted that “millions” of Americans would die under the existing scenario

    If I incorrectly captured the essence of your phrase “ a million or more American lives,” I apologise.

    Back in late July, “excess deaths” had already passed 200K…

    Does late July qualify as early summer?

  424. @EliteCommInc.

    correction: Today and yesterday it is now reported that infection rates went all across the board, I guess the string theory of connectedness is accurate. But I do know this we are also in the early stages of what used to be the flu season.

  425. @EliteCommInc.

    He never said any of the comments you note.

    He said one day it will all go away — it will be a miracle again utterly innocuous the country, even those pesky conservatives obeyed the lockdown protocols, though one has to wonder about those liberals getting their hair done during lockdowns.

    He said it was going to go away without a vaccine
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/trump-baselessly-claims-coronavirus-will-go-away-without-vaccine/

    There is a whole list of predictions he made
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-erroneous-coronavirus-predictions-wide-ranging-interview-i-will-n1234307

    now minus the behavior over the last four years, i would probably rest comfortably that the executive lost.

    I’m not resting comfortably with a senile White guilter as president who after a few years will hand it over to a bitter leftist. This is a disastrous lost.

  426. “He said one day it will all go away — it will be a miracle again utterly innocuous the country, even those pesky conservatives obeyed the lockdown protocols, though one has to wonder about those liberals getting their hair done during lockdowns.”

    I have covered these comments. They are totally inconsequential to the responding to the virus. People followed the protocols prescribed. So his comments — as I previously note, except the one regarding the virus eventually departing, I am no mind reader, but most virus’s end without much negative impact.

    As I repeat a lot of hat was made out of nothing. There’s not a single act or comment that made matters worse or hindered the response prescribed. And that the issue, his response to the virus — nothing he said had any negative impact. And that is the thrust here that he did or didn’t do something that could have saved lives. And the advance is empty.

    ————–

    My comment regarding the election does not mean I would be comfortable with the oppositions leadership. It means I would look at the loss as a loss. I broke a wall when the last democrat was elected. But nothing that occurred suggested that there was substantial misconduct regarding voting.

    This election, I am very uncomfortable and see this election as deeply suspect.

    And there is where I stand in spite of the COVID issue. At the end of the day a a wash against the backdrop of democratic failures and advocacy.

  427. @Mr. Anon

    No, that isn’t what I said

    Fact check: FALSE

    That’s one of the reasons that California became so liberal – it wasn’t just that liberals moved there, it was that the old Eisenhower Republicans who elected Ronald Reagan, George Deukmajian, and Pete Wilson died out

    Thanks for demonstrating so clearly that you’re not only severely cognitively compromised, but also a shameless liar.

    So far, Mr. Anon has conspicuously failed to substantiate his moronic claim that White conservatives in California have higher mortality rates/ shorter life expectancies than White liberals and/ or non-Whites with anything more than the equivalent of:

    “B-b-but ah just KNOWS it — cuz muh FEELZ!”

    lol

    Simple question Mr. Anon — Are you capable of comprehending the simple truth that everyone dies? That the Grim Reaper does not specifically target White conservative goyim, but comes for us all?

    Yes or no.

  428. “And there is where I stand in spite of the COVID issue.”

    COVID was cover in my view. Even the riots were cover. The target was always the election process. I said it in march or april I say it now.

    I am unprepared to call it a hoax, we ha e new virus’s that come and go and come and stay that on the we adapt to and wrestle with . . various flu’s etc. as now we are entering into flu season.

    As for the executive any cause o effect claims that he caused deaths needs more than the media hyping .

  429. t is correct that people who are departing CA and they doing so for two reasons:

    economics and

    2. demographic.

    The highest change in CA polity is illegal immigration and the easing of immigration enforcement and those that come here — usually don’t murder their children in the womb.

    as so many blacks foolishly do

  430. MarkinLA says:
    @John Johnson

    Even worse is that we had a huge contingent here were trying to deny the hospital problem in the first place and accused the MSM of making the whole thing up.

    But the hospital problem was overhyped hysteria. All those temporary hospitals that were set up were never used. The military hospital ship in NYC was never used. Los Angeles reopened a bankrupt hospital downtown and it was never used. If patients were in beds in hallways it was because the resources were mismanaged not inadequate.

  431. But the hospital problem was overhyped hysteria. All those temporary hospitals that were set up were never used.

    It was not overhyped hysteria. The outbreak was concentrated in the Bronx and De Blasio didn’t manage his medical resources properly. Him and Cuomo screwed up on routing patients.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  432. Not Raul says:
    @Flubber

    What about Congress?

    If it were really a stolen election, Dems would have the Senate.

  433. Democrats claimed that it would be a landslide across the board. I think what happened is that republicans came in in unexpected numbers, something they dd not expect.

    But you might want to pay attention to the runoff races.

    But the real wave was that the reds came out in force.

  434. Hiop says:

    There is no reason someone who voted for Trump in 2016 would’ve voted for Biden. If they were that disgusted with Trump they would’ve just sat it out. Election fraud was obvious. I think it was so extreme that Trump may even have won the popular vote.

  435. “There is no reason someone who voted for Trump in 2016 would’ve voted for Biden. If they were that disgusted with Trump they would’ve just sat it out. ”

    I think that is correct, on the money.

    —————————————-
    Yes, Kushner is a little cunt and he’s taken a lot of heat….but Trump isn’t stupid…..he chose to suck up to non-whites and neglect his white base”

    You were ok until this —

    the current executive did not suck-up to anyone. And it did nothing to dissuade white voters. it shouldn’t have. Let’ have some integrity here — supports of the president have been miffed with a year of his tenure and he wasn’t even addressing blacks as potential voters.

    U was more than curffuffled by many of his choices and I thought he folded to fast and too often , even after beating the tar out of his opponents regarding Russia and the Ukraine matter.

    And yet, even I understood, there was but one choice vote. If they choose to stay at home because they had issues, that was there choice. They should have considered the consequences for themselves. If the white voters who were too put off to consider the consequences of staying home — that’ on them.

  436. @John Johnson

    No Over-hyped. Most people who went to the hospital did not have COVID.

    Whether Mayor Deblasio mismanaged his resources I can;t speak to.

    While hospitals were inundated, they were inundated with people who were not ill with COVID,

    And the hospital rush was cited as being the result of COVIOD — entirely false.

  437. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    White liberals are in for a surprise when Biden tanks the economy and they find themselves unemployed.

  438. “White liberals are in for a surprise when Biden tanks the economy and they find themselves unemployed.”

    I remain unconvinced that the current nominee will be in office to have influence over the economy.

  439. Ballot stuffing, dead people voting, machines switching votes….the list goes on and on regarding voting fraud. Your math is great…however, your analysis doesn’t take into account the documented cases of voter fraud that have happened all across the country. If, and that is a big “if”, we ever get back to county real votes, by real people, on a 1:1 ratio…your math probably won’t hold up. Great article, though, and I totally enjoyed reading it.

  440. Author is a moron. Demographics had nothing to to with it. Dems cheated massively and that’s how biden got 52% of the vote. Dems knew the press would let them cheat – they hate trump that much.

    There is no way 76 million americans voted for a proven child molester like Pedo-Joe.

  441. Juvenalis says:

    That graph misinformation Trump 2020 only winning 57% of White Men voters seems to have found its way all over the web. Exit polls are probably wrong in 2020 as they were in 2016*, however very early election night 57% in the exit polls has been steadily increasing as the national polling sample was completed; Trump 2020 is now at 61% among White Men, 1pt below Trump 2016.

    *2016 Exit polls massively underestimated the # of non-college Whites vs. college-degree Whites, overestimated the # of college-degree White Men vs. college-degree White Women, and massively overestimated Trump’s performance among women, and as a consequence, among the disproportionately female population of college-educated Whites, compared to subsequent analyses like Pew Research Validated Voter analysis.

    2016 exit polls had college-degree Whites at 37% of the electorate, Trump winning them narrowly 48-45%. Pew Validated Voter analysis had college-educated Whites at 30% of the electorate, voting decisively for Hillary Clinton 55% to 38%.

    2016 exit polls: White Men 34% of the electorate R+31 voting 62%-31% Trump; White Women 37% of electorate voting R+9, Trump 52%-43%.

    Pew: White Men at 33% of the electorate R+30 Trump 62% to 32%; White Women at 41% of the electorate only R+2 splitting almost evenly at 47%-45%.

    Exit polls said Whites as whole were 71% of the electorate and R+20 at 57% to 37%.

    Pew said Whites were 74% of the electorate and R+15, only 54% Trump to 39% Clinton.

    To make up for losing college Whites: exit polls had non-college Whites at 34% of the electorate (voting Trump 66%-29%) versus Pew Validated Voter analysis estimated non-college Whites a full 10pts greater share of the electorate at 44% of 2016 voters (voting Trump 64-28%).

    Trump would likely have won several more states in the Electoral College and even won the popular vote if he really did as well as exit polls said R+20 among Whites

  442. mcohen says:

    I wrote in 2016 4 years and 4 days on this site and that was all trump needed to create a reset in the middle east and for that matter worldwide.I will not post my covid 19 theory here but that’s another story.
    I wish joe and hunter biden good luck.2 terms is a long time and when all is said and done none will be what they are now.My summary of these past few months.Worth repeating

    If you don’t stand for something,you will fall for anything

  443. “I wish joe and hunter biden good luck.”

    I am unsure what you comments refer to however,

    I am not inclined to press good fortune on anyone intending to to upend the US and urn it into just other country about my feelings. Reset the Middle East — would not have impacted the election in my view. The lead are were and remain — internal dynamics within the US.

    immigration
    economics
    employment
    urban management or the lack thereof
    two in one attempts to unseat the current executive among other maneuvers
    and emergency planning, even if the emergency was not generally life threatening

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