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Will the GOP fight to preserve the Historic American Nation, or will it blithely submit to demographic change? That’s the fundamental question animating the “Groyper Wars” against Conservative Inc. For the past two months, young patriots—who’ve adopted as their symbol the smug toad known only as “Groyper”—have asked Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk and other Conservative Inc. figures tough questions about demographics and immigration. Conservative Inc. responded with smears and attacks on nationalist leaders like Nick Fuentes. But this fight is finally forcing conservatives to debate demographics and the GOP’s future without a white majority. It’s a far more substantive and relevant debate than the over-hyped David French vs. Sohrab Ahmari fight last summer. This is not a battle between out-of-touch pundits over “civility”—it’s a war for the future of America.

The Conservative Inc. side is primarily represented by TPUSA and Young America’s Foundation, both of which are the largest (and best-funded) conservative student groups in the country. Their primary figures are Charlie Kirk and Daily Wire editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro.

In contrast, the Groypers are a spontaneous grassroots movement of young nationalists who are fed up with Conservative Inc.’s shilling for mass immigration, globalism etc.. Their leaders are Nick Fuentes and American Identity Movement leader Patrick Casey [Far-right agitators roil the conservative movement on college campuses in battle to define Trumpism, by Nick Anderson, The Washington Post, November 16, 2019]

The Groyper War is actually pretty simple: patriots attend conservative campus events and ask the speakers tough questions. TPUSA provided the perfect opportunity with its “Culture War Tour” this fall. The tour’s primary purpose was to give Kirk the opportunity to “destroy” Leftists who ask him questions. TPUSA, Shapiro, and many others love to share videos of them “eviscerating” a Leftist college student who asks them a stupid question.

But Kirk et.al. did not expect to receive hard questions from the Right. That they did is heartening evidence that the Dissident Right has rebounded from the Democrat putsch at Charlottesville.

Thus instead of providing Kirk with viral videos of him embarrassing Leftists, the Culture War Tour resulted in dozens of young nationalists humiliating him. When Kirk first took questions about immigration, he sounded like a Cheap Labor lobbyist in response. He expressed support for mass legal immigration, demanded America issue more EB-5 visas to foreign oligarchs, and hoped we would “staple green cards” to the diplomas of foreign college graduates. Naturally, he smeared those who asked about demographics as “racists.”

This terrible strategy only encouraged the Groypers to show up in even larger numbers.

After a particularly disastrous appearance at Ohio State University in late October, Kirk decided to change course. He apologized for his support for stapling green cards to diplomas and announced he was a strong supporter of the immigration-reducing RAISE Act. He also told audience members that immigration is an important issue.

At the same time, he attacked America First nationalists in the harshest terms possible. Kirk zeroed in on Fuentes and Casey as targets of his wrath.

His allies spread edited clips of Fuentes to make him appear as a Holocaust denier, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist. Fuentes is none of those things, as he was allowed to clarify in relatively fair reports from the mainstream media.(Conservative Inc. media is far more likely to smear Fuentes in hyperbolic terms than the “Fake News” Washington Post.) Some of Kirk’s allies, including the nominally conservative Zionist Organization of America, demanded Twitter ban Fuentes.

Attacks on Fuentes only increased after nationalists heckled Kirk at an event with Donald Trump Jr. on November 10. The Main Stream Media began to notice the phenomenon and cover it as a serious rift in the Right. This is not the coverage Conservative Inc. wanted.

At his last events, on November 13, Kirk has castigated “white identitarians” as evil and un-American. He defamed Casey as a white supremacist leader of a neo-Nazi group that wishes to overthrow the government. He declared “demographics is not destiny.”

He also deployed dubious rhetoric that the Founding Fathers wished to create a multicultural, multiracial state based on the motto, “E pluribus unum.” Kirk typically doesn’t realize that the Founders used that motto to express the federal union of many states—not many races and ethnicities. He should maybe consult with the writings of John Jay and Thomas Jefferson to get a better view of what the Founders thought.

Kirk must think his new carrot and stick strategy will work. The carrot: born-again support for immigration restriction. The stick: the denunciations of anyone who goes beyond that as an evil “white supremacist.”

You can support immigration reduction and be welcome in Kirk’s movement—but you’re not allowed to discuss immigration-driven demographic transformation, Or ask, like Fuentes, ask questions about Israel.

Ben Shapiro and YAF echo this sentiment. They also have been confronted by Groypers at recent campus events. It’s not going well. In Shapiro’s November 7th speech at Stanford University, he went on a long diatribe about Fuentes and argued his ideas are not “America First” [Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro blasts alt-right, radical left, identity politics in MemAud lecture, by Leily Rezvani and Emma Talley, The Stanford Daily, November 8, 2019].

Shapiro is former Never Trumper who once insinuated—in William F. Buckley’s National Review— that “America First” is an anti-Semitic dogwhistle [Trump’s Anti-Semitic Supporters, National Review, May 18, 2016].. But now he feels empowered to tell others what is and isn’t America First. He later said that real America Firsters “want more strong, principled people coming into the United States to make us stronger.” He also said race is “just a melanin-level.”[ Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro blasts alt-right, radical left, identity politics in MemAud lecture, by Leily Rezvani and Emma Talley, Stanford Daily, November 8, 2019]

Significantly, and in contrast to Kirk, Shapiro appears to have backed away from immigration restriction, which he finally expressed support for in 2015. In a column praising Ann Coulter’s Adios America, Shapiro lamented that so many conservatives have “capitulated” on immigration and “granted the Left’s premise in the hopes that America’s new immigrants will resemble her old immigrants, even though the America that welcomes them has changed dramatically.” [Ann Coulter’s War, by Ben Shapiro, Creators, May 27, 2015]. He also expressed support for immigration reduction in a 2015 interview with Coulter.

But now Shapiro seems to no longer to support the idea. Most recently Shapiro refused to support immigration reduction. merely saying that conservatives must “root out and destroy any elements of race-driven policy from its midst” [Are Conservative Immigration Restrictionists Racist?, by Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire, November 14, 2019]

YAF apparently decided to take Shapiro’s dictum to heart and purged Michelle Malkin from its ranks. Malkin ran afoul of Conservative Inc. for her vigorous defense of the Groypers, Fuentes—and VDARE.com. She dismissed the smears and argued that the Groypers are true patriots who want to save the country.

Her defiance convinced the cowards at YAF that they no longer wanted her as a campus speaker. The conservative student group, which is effectively run by Shapiro, issued a statement last weekend saying “white nationalists” are not welcome in the conservative movement [Conservative Group Fires Michelle Malkin Over Support for Holocaust Denier, by Will Sommer, The Daily Beast, November 17, 2019]

But none of these efforts have dampened the Groyper war or convinced young nationalists that Conservative Inc. represents their interests. Fuentes’s star is rising—as Drudge Report notes—and America First ideas are ascendant. TPUSA allies continue to gnash their teeth at the Groypers to no effect. Kirk’s reversals on immigration show that the Groypers are winning. It’s good he knows he must embrace immigration reduction to appease the base. Kirk may condemn the Dissident Right, but he’s still taking our ideas.

This Groyper War is a far more relevant fight than the much-discussed David French vs. Sohrab Ahmari debate. That fight never brought in demographics or immigration and it didn’t involve average conservatives. It was a dispute between well-ensconced pundits over whether the state should shut down Drag Queen Story Hour. New York Post opinion editor Sohrab Ahmari and VDARE.com hater said the state should shut it down. Former National Review writer David French [Tweet him] and VDARE.com hater said the state shouldn’t get involved. This petty matter generated thousands of articles and blogs over the future of the Right. Ahmari allegedly represented something new with his wish for the state to enforce the “common good.” But the Groyper War has shown him to be no different from Conservative Inc.

Both French and Ahmari condemned the Dissident Right in the wake of the Groyper War. Ahmari [Tweet him] decreed that sharing a VDARE link (on a “government email”) is a fireable offense. Bottom line: when it comes to the important issues, Ahmari’s “integralists” and French’s “classical liberals” are no different. Both sides will not discuss demographics—and neither side supported Trump when it mattered.

Neither French nor Ahmari represent the future of American nationalism. That future lies in the outcome of the Groyper War. Both sides are connected to the Trump moment—and both compete for the attention of the youth.

Will the next generation of the American Right frankly accept that demographics is destiny—or pretend #Blexit (and tax cuts) will win over black voters?

Will it stand up for the Historic American Nation—or stand be seduced by the Kochtopus?

Will the Right dismiss the Left’s ritualistic attacks—or continue to be stampeded by them?

Conservative Inc. can no longer hide from these questions. Its platitudes aren’t convincing young patriots.

The Groypers want to preserve the Historic American Nation—why doesn’t Conservative Inc.?

Washington Watcher II [Email him] is an anonymous DC insider.

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  1. “‘Groyper’ leader on segregation:

    “Enough with the Jim Crow stuff. Who cares? ‘Oh, I had to drink out of a different water fountain.’ Big f—ing deal…oh no, they had to go to a different school…And even if it was bad, who cares?…it was better for them, it’s better for us.”

    Laughing. But if you are nationalist, it’s bad for the country to hinder citizens who need every opportunity as every other.

    Now to your little pet tete a tet . . . .

    You are correct, separate everything is fine as long as separate everything is equal/. And it’s a pretty sad posture that you or anyone thinks that hamstringing one’s fellow citizens is a good thing for the country. I want to applaud this group but if it’s this lacking in integrity, then their value is considerably bankrupt.

    Nationalism means all those of the nation. By engaging in such tactics citizens made enemies of would be allies today. Admit it – it was a mistake.
    ————————-

    “Both sides are connected to the Trump moment—and both compete for the attention of the youth.”

    it would be great if the evidence confirmed that the President were connected to the “Trump moment”. On immigration, there isn’t even a jury selected.

  2. sameguy says:
    @EliteComminc.

    IT WAS A JOKE. It’s post-ironic humor and is very popular among my generation (gen z). We’re tired of the moralizing.

  3. Rahan says:

    A normal mainstream conservative anywhere east of Vienna would be branded a Nazi in the Anglosphere and quickly destroyed. Thus a crazy situation is calling for crazy solutions.

    Culture-jamming performance art such as that of the Daily Stormer is trying to anchor the outer edge of the Overton window, through cartoonish extreme positions, back into “normal”, so that the “middle ground” once again becomes actual traditional conservatism, instead of corporate shilling and demographic denial.

    In spite of all the Hitler memes, they’re basically trying to remind people US society is supposed to be about pluralism and free speech, and not a managed democracy where half the managing has been outsourced to corporations and special interest groups.

    Certain other players are trying to wage a grim humorless information war (Occidental Dissent, Counter Currnets etc) toward Francoism and Salazarism. Also good, because plurarism is good.

    The Groypers belong more to the Daily Stormer performance art category, and who knows. Sometimes it’s precisely their shock’n’humor that the system can’t digest.

    The system can’t handle any honest humor, anymore that it can handle any honest speech.

    All mainstream leftist humor shows of late do not produce honest laughs. They are no longer about humor–they are about preaching and making statements, and people react not with belly laughs, but with affirmative shouts and applause.

    But the mainstream “conservatism inc.” also does not get humor and is afraid of it, just as it is afraid of straying out of “Jesused-up Tony Blair” positions on anything.

    Good luck to the Groypers. A youth-led Dadaist grass root conservative rebellion could only have ever happened in the US of A.

    There’s still hope for this country. It’s when stuff like this stops happening and only the grim scribblers are left, that this will mean that hope is lost, and the US has simply turned into another castrated humorless Western-half-of-EU place.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
  4. MarkinLA says:

    Remember Ben Shapiro was behind the Michelle Fields hoax to derail Trump’s campaign. Fortunately, Trump stood tall and demanded real proof. Shapiro was canned at Breitbart for demanding they unconditionally support Fields. He was also canned from his morning radio gig in LA.

    Want to talk about Jewish power? How else would that little POS be able to come back and get TV and radio shows? It can’t be because of his brilliance.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    , @Bubba
  5. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m glad someone is calling out Conservativism Inc. but the “Groypers” are being intellectually dishonest here.

    1) The reason these immigrants are coming to the US in droves is because of US neoliberalism. See Bolivia as a recent example of a leader keeping his poor people fed and happy, yet the US overthrows him. Soon we are going to be flooded with Bolivians that would have been otherwise happy to stay in their own country if not for US interference.

    If the Groypers are serious about limiting immigration, they should first fight to quit interfering in other countries. I’m sure many of these people are non interventionists, but it is on America to quit destroying other countries first so these people have a good place to live.

    2) The main motivation Groypers have to stop immigration is maintaining the white majority, but they won’t admit this publicly because of bad optics.

    If this is the main motivation, what are other groups supposed to think? They are going to think these white people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.

  6. anonymous[435] • Disclaimer says:

    Anti-White fanaticism won’t stop until we end up ‘diversified’ like Alice and Helen Lotter of South Africa:

    raped vaginally and anally with knives and broken bottles for HOURS, mutilated, breasts cut off, teeth smashed out, all while alive. Left to die in excruciating pain. The ‘vibrants’ used the women’s blood to paint ‘Kill the Boer’ on their home.

    This is the model for the West: allow Whites no borders ANYWHERE, make them minorities in their ancestral homelands, and unleash the barbarity.

    Diversity is White Gen-cide.

  7. It’s weird how people who aren’t WASP, Nordic or even Irish like to make themselves megaphones for some pretty offensive and alienating racist rhetoric. I think some psychoanalysis of Malkin and Fuentes is in order. Could it be that in their non white-supremacist real personalities they have trouble asserting themselves so have taken on Hitler-like personas to work out their years of suppressed aggression? Wouldn’t it be safer if a trained therapist helped these faux white supremacists work out their issues in a safe, productive manner behind closed doors? I mean really…

  8. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @sameguy

    “It was a joke”

    Kind of, but not really.

    Nick Fuentes complains that minorities are not voting Republican. But why should they? Fuentes version of the future is not pluralistic, it is white people ruling and everyone else putting up with it.

  9. @EliteComminc.

    You are correct, separate everything is fine as long as separate everything is equal.

    Is the lion equal to the lamb? Is the ant equal to the grasshopper? Is oil equal to water?

  10. It often seems that the outlines of ideological division are based on attitude toward Jews and Israel.

    We have ‘hard’ nationalists who either ignore white nationalists or agree with them, and ‘soft’ nationalists whose first concern is beating back any element of racism or anti-Semitism.

    Similarly, we have Christian traditionalists who don’t mind Jewish condemnation and others who make it their first priority to make sure everyone knows how strongly they support Israel and despise anti-Semites.

    It’s important that partisans of these two ideologies not equate each other with being ‘cucked.’ Both have representatives of varying degrees of sincerity. Jews tend to see both types as latent anti-Semites but in recent decades the Christian social conservatives have been more agreeable to them. 50 years ago Christian conservatives tended to see Jews as the cultural opposition and occasionally stated this openly. Groups like the ADL continue to condemn Christian conservatives but with less urgency than before.

    Over the last 40-50 years the left has mainly advanced on the cultural front via feminism, gay rights, and secularism. Nationalism is opposed largely because it is assumed that nationalists, especially in Europe, will be friendly to moral traditionalism. Immigration is thought to weaken the power base of the keepers of the old moral order. There is a fear that without Communism to hold it down, Christian hegemony and anti-Semitism may reappear in eastern Europe. Globalism, IMO, is largely a strategy to suppress ‘politically incorrect’ traditional cultures.

    The left’s Rainbow Coalition strategy is a fusion of ethnic and sexual minorities or ‘victim groups.’ To push back effectively against its “anti-hate” rhetoric the right needs the contributions of both religious and national conservatives. To achieve this, the key is not to view either movement as inherently cucked and to make sure that within both movements there are effective uncucked voices.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Ace
  11. eah says:

    It’s more than a ‘war on immigration’.

    What Is Conservatism?

  12. I salute the Groypers but where are the adults in the room in established media and legal careers asking aloud the same questions about immigration?

  13. @Anonymous

    Think about how retarded your statement would be in say China.

    Imagine Han Chinese wanting China to be Chinese. The horror.

    Not Americans better get used to this debate because it’s only going to get more and more prominent.

    It’s just ridiculous.

    They are going to think these Chinese people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.

    No, it’s very clear white people aren’t going to be permitted to exist in the US because the invaders are conducting a low intensity wsr on the American nation, which is white.

    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. @EliteComminc.

    You’re framing your argument as if Blacks were the ones still oppressed.

    Once euro-style “hate speech” laws arrive here, courtesy of The Nose, Whites’ already dwindling options will be reduced to fighting or fleeing, and there’s nowhere to run.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. @Anonymous

    “If this is the main motivation, what are other groups supposed to think? They are going to think these white people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.”

    They want the exact opposite. They want “you” guys under YOUR power structure and not under theirs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. dvorak says:
    @Anonymous

    If this is the main motivation, what are other groups supposed to think? They are going to think these white people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.

    Oh, no, a White majority country. Oy, oy, oy!!

    Fuck off anon.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  17. dvorak says:
    @miss marple

    some pretty offensive and alienating racist rhetoric

    You’re on the wrong website, fuck off to where you came from. This is muthafuckin Unz.com.

  18. Robjil says:

    The greatest aspect of Groyperism is its grass roots.

    It gets ideas out that our MSM stops us from saying.

    The biggest taboo of all, Israel first, is what they are openly questioning.

    For that, they should get a gold star.

    Whatever else they bring up is nothing compared to that little land in East Med.

    It is the focal point of the western world’s destruction of itself in past hundred years, since 12.23.1913.

  19. @Rahan

    All mainstream leftist humor shows of late do not produce honest laughs. They are no longer about humor–they are about preaching and making statements, and people react not with belly laughs, but with affirmative shouts and applause.

    I still cracks me up that people actually find SNL funny. The last true humor of that type, was MadTV and Mr. Show. Kay and Peele wasn’t bad,although had built in defenses when they for example, did a skit mocking gay culture.

    • Replies: @c matt
    , @Plato's Dream
  20. onebornfree says: • Website

    Nothing funnier [or sad, or boring] than two groups of government worshiping halfwits/dunderheads and control freaks arguing over which “side” has the “correct” solutions for running everyone’s lives via the criminal state they all love and seriously consider to possess the “solutions” to all of societies problems – when the vast majority of these problems were/are initially caused by the very criminal state both sides unwittingly and unfailingly adore.

    Both sides agree on the necessity of the criminal state – they’re just arguing over a few minor big state control details.

    It’s all just another “storm in a teacup”, a distraction, because when all is said and done, in the end, both “sides” want more government, and more laws.

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Regards” onebornfree

  21. @Anonymous

    The main motivation Groypers have to stop immigration is maintaining the white majority, but they won’t admit this publicly because of bad optics.

    “When Whites become a minority, the USA as originally founded/intended is finished.”

    You can say that all day, it’s true. No one need utter the word “supremacy” unless you want to talk Jewish supremacy.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. “IT WAS A JOKE. It’s post-ironic humor and is very popular among my generation (gen z). We’re tired of the moralizing.”

    Laughing.

    You mean the literary tool of sarcasm, hyperbole that’s been around longer than William Shakespeare and he’s been dead for 400 years. The moral efficacy of the issues are as valuable as the pragmatic consequence as well. And in an age of m,oral relativity, as to the force of argument, it’s an odd choice to shun dealing with the your opponents very successful weapon.

    Now about this supposed sarcastic, hyperbolic suggestion as form of

    “I was only kidding.”

    context matters and in my view it seriously missed its mark. Though given your response, I can’t think of a better mascot that an outsized disproportionate toad.

  23. TPUSA and Charlie Kirk: Mom, apple pie, baseball, Israel and anal sex.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  24. Oh da Grand Old Duke of York
    He had 10,000 how’s
    He procured dem hoes from a kosher pimp
    Now da swarthoid rat is dead

    Arise Sir Jeffrey Epshtein!!!!!!

  25. @EliteComminc.

    “Enough with the Jim Crow stuff. Who cares? ‘Oh, I had to drink out of a different water fountain.’ Big f—ing deal…oh no, they had to go to a different school…And even if it was bad, who cares?…it was better for them, it’s better for us.”

    Laughing. But if you are nationalist, it’s bad for the country to hinder citizens who need every opportunity as every other.

    Apartheid or ethnic separation is a good and moral policy where one ethnic group cannot assimilate the other but the two groups share common territory. Good way of keeping the peace.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  26. “Is the lion equal to the lamb? Is the ant equal to the grasshopper? Is oil equal to water?”

    Ohhhh I take it this is more youthful exuberant sarcasm.

    In all of the above references comparisons, you would have need to dilineate the qualities to be compared and note how and why they are of value yo the suggested difference. As on its face,

    you are comparing or juxtaposing different species

    now in these instances

    lions and lambs are equals as they are both mammals

    ants and grasshoppers are equal as they both insects

    oil and water are both equal as they are both liquids

    ————–
    In application to humans comprised of one species

    1. according to Pres. Jefferson before her was Pres Jefferson there is this staple of universal understanding “all men” are created equal . . . ” and has been “endowed with inalienable rights.”

    2. and among those rights are liberty and the pursuit of happiness”

    3. and in keeping with the above he and a band of others engaged a civil war against the duly established authority to obtain or maintain those same rights.

    I will eschew the hypocrisy of slavery — but among the groups of rabble rousers that serves as signature moment for revolution referred to as the Boston Massacre right along side and intermingled in that composition is a black rabble rouser shot dead – apparently his fellow whtes counted as equal to their cause.

    Now in keeping with that cause for revolution to equality endowed by a creator — if you are suggesting otherwise, your quarrel is not with me, but with at least one of the founders and probably many more — but then that was about national sovereignty to nation building,

    perhaps, you intend something else.
    _________________________

    In stepping back on the question

    it would appear to me that since the lions are eating the lambs wholesale one is superior and at the moment t appears that immigrants are winning that day enabled by a host of adult sheep and the lambs, in this case US citizens are being eaten alive and doing so with a smile on their faces, led by a composition of white sheep leadership.

    Like ants swarming a grasshopper, the US is in the midst of suffering the same fate as it appears the swarming ants are faster, more manuverable and outnumber US citizens a they pursue their constant invasion, with no small number of grasshoppers gladly holding open the door.

    And oil used to grease wheels and palms certainly has the upper tier as it takes much longer to evaporate than water . And that oil is seeping into every aspect of US life drying out its very existence as each and everyday — what this country is evaporates replaced by oily enchiladas, tacos, and goulash . . .

    ————————————

    On the matter of national survival as on any battlefield, there’s no room for color coding in battle positions. But my generation was none to quick to grasp that anymore than the generations coming after.

    lions and lambs

    good greif

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  27. anonymous[767] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Your take on Fuentes version is not the Republican version and yet the minorities still overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

    One question for Republicans to ponder is “Will limiting immigration help us at the polls?”. The answer is obviously yes. The next question is “Will publicly promoting policies that limit immigration help us at the polls?”. The answer here is not so obvious.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. “Once euro-style “hate speech” laws arrive here, courtesy of The Nose, Whites’ already dwindling options will be reduced to fighting or fleeing, and there’s nowhere to run.”

    Laughing.

    two responses:

    1. Maybe a bad idea to oppress them in the first place

    2. probably unwise to needlessly alienate them further

    As for whether they are “still oppressed” really not central to the question, as citizens they are as all others of value to maintain the US as the US as opposed to the US of Mexico, Spain, Ukraine, . . .

    • Replies: @Tank1488
  29. @Anonymous

    2) The main motivation Groypers have to stop immigration is maintaining the white majority, but they won’t admit this publicly because of bad optics.

    If this is the main motivation, what are other groups supposed to think? They are going to think these white people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.

    Groypers will admit that publicly and should do so. It is a morally just demand because it is their (American Christian white) nation in origin. The same as it is moral and right that “yellow nationalists” in Japan control immigration very much with the objective of maintaining the Japanese ethnic group’s control of the territory in mind. Any non-yellow-Japanese-nationalist visitor accepts this as a matter of course and as a decent expression of basic morality. American whites must establish the same basic respect for their ethnic group, they are treated like dogs, are totally demoralized and seem to have no self-respect whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  30. The American Conservative, a publication very familiar to Ron Unz and Phil Giraldi, just posted an article on Nick Fuentes and the Groypers. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-outrage-industrys-latest-child-soldier/

    If these young Conservatives really wanted to bring on a fire storm, they should be referencing Giraldi’s columns here and the ‘American Pravda’ series. The Groypers should also quote Michael Springmann’s book, “Goodbye, Europe? Hello, Chaos? Merkel’s Migrant Bomb”. Weaponized migration is being applied against the United States as well.

  31. @miss marple

    It’s weird how people who aren’t WASP, Nordic or even Irish like to make themselves megaphones for some pretty offensive and alienating racist rhetoric. I think some psychoanalysis of Malkin and Fuentes is in order. Could it be that in their non white-supremacist real personalities they have trouble asserting themselves so have taken on Hitler-like personas to work out their years of suppressed aggression? Wouldn’t it be safer if a trained therapist helped these faux white supremacists work out their issues in a safe, productive manner behind closed doors? I mean really…

    To use Groyper terminology – typical ‘femoid’, producing femoid drivel emanating from her unthinking and gormless application of the tenets of her anti-white indoctrination to real-world events. “Femoid” – nice descriptive term, denoting how easily females are socially programmed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. bomag says:
    @EliteComminc.

    And it’s a pretty sad posture that you or anyone thinks that hamstringing one’s fellow citizens is a good thing for the country.

    The other side is cutting our legs off in various and sundry ways (firing and replacing with Subcontinentals; taking a business for not baking a gay cake; pulling down historical monuments) and it bothers them not one whit, and generates little pushback; just generates more calls for crushing and driving out.

  33. The zionists are destroying America with unlimited illegal immigration, bankrupting the government with the welfare given to the illegals and the local cities and governments are being overwhelmed with the costs of supporting the illegals and to top it all off, a nation without borders is no longer a nation.

    This is what the zionists NWO gang wants and they are destroying America just as they destroyed Russia with the bolshevik revolution and the same bolsheviks have a revolution going right here in America!

  34. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Considering that one tribe ends up running a country, that looks like one of the better deals.

  35. @Anonymous

    Ending US-CIA interference abroad, its endless wars, and immigration restriction must be fought at the same time if the dissident right has any hope for the future. Fuentes and the Groypers must realize this or they are doomed to failure. Invade the World invite the World does not, and never has, worked.

    At this late date, the only way out is separation. Ideally it would be peaceful. In reality it won’t be. All we need do is look at what Tyrant Lincoln did when he destroyed the South, which attempted to peacefully and legally separate. As says the socialist Pledge, which all of us who went to public school were forced to regurgitate daily, the nation is “Indivisible.” We have been programmed to stand at attention and salute the flag since kindergarten. We love our warriors who fight for our (sic) Freedoms.

    Even if the dissident right is destined to lose the war, it does not mean that the battle is not worth fighting. Is there any way out of the all-seeing, high-tech, oppressive, soul-destroying Panopticon? We’ll soon see. The 2020’s will be the last stand for Western Civilization.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  36. @Anonymous

    Open borders happened because of jews.

    Not economics.

    Not boomers.

    jews.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  37. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteComminc.

    but the underlying premise has yet to be developed into the American narrative. .

    The declaration of Independence (1776) “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equally, that they are endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.

    Just what do these words mean?

    First why are they important?
    Words scribed 200 years ago.. are they as fitting today as they were in 1776?
    The average cognitively useful lifespan of an human is lets say 70 years, 1292 years.
    These are the only years that count.. as far as today’s living humans are concerned what is
    the majority issue? After all democracy is about majority rule.

    What is important then is only important if it is relevant to the lifespan of those who are governed and it is incumbent on those who govern to not exceed relevancy..

    [MORE]

    What is relevant to those living in this world is human rights, nothing else actually matters. The American rich man’s Republic (the USA) is not focused on human rights, it is focus on financial and physical security for a few Aristocratic individuals, most of whom are wealthy and well to do.. the constitution took away Americans democracy and replaced it with a republic . The Constitution of the USA separates governed humans from those who have been placed in position to wield the powers of the entire nation state; in other words, the constitution made the masses the virtual slaves of the few through a proxy known as the government. <when is the first time or the last time that you voted to accept into law a proposal made by a lawmaker or voted on whether or not you wanted to go to war or whether or not you wanted to give American tax money collected by the USA to a foreign nation.. ? Unless you are a governor, you have never done those things. because the constitution dictates a government over Americans and that dictation prevents those who are the governed from participating in, or even being allowed to see or learn about, what it is the governors do.. or are planning to do and because no one in that government is ever held accountable for… .

    Political and economic emphasis should be on human rights. But the human rights premise was terminated by the Constitution of the USA in 1789. In the years between 1776 and 1789 a system of states governed America each with its own rules and its own politics.. human rights was very much on the minds of those in the states, because the British Law (not operative in America after the revolution) was another fortress of the Aristocracy, it made it impossible for the governed to succeed against a British Aristocrat, in business, in court, or in opportunity. The British law forced American colonist to accommodate the British corporations that wanted its employees to rape America in order to enhance British Wealth (the West Indies Corporation).

    But still in the end only your seventy 70 years of life count. yes, true you might have some obligation to try to make it better for those who come after you, but those are not truly your concerns, the welfare of the future generations concern <=just reminds those who are experiencing their 70 years on this earth that they might have a duty to those who lives come after their own.

    so why should we put up with governors who want a left, right, up or down. divisions to separate us ? we are all of the same fabric, and each of us are entitled to the same opportunity, benefits and rewards as the other, without jump start wealth and favourites by operations of laws, and rules of admissions. Opportunity must be equal among those now living, and it is up to the government to make that so. but does the government move in that direction? I don't think so. Tax rates are applied to the governed at very different rates depending on the class of person.. corporations pay less even. and so many tax free organizations exist … admissions to education that might lead to opportunities made possible by personal effort are limited to a select few and that selection is based on whether or not educating that individual might help the USA ( no thought of the welfare of America).. and then the opportunity is again limited to those who have the wealth to be able to afford the opportunity and the time to engage them.

    Requiring a licensed carpenter to put screens on the windows on your house is a form of class distinction that has keep disadvantaged labour poor but it is a rule of a government that is focused on benefiting the few at the cost of the misery of the masses.

    Take a look at the powers of the president in Article II, Sections 2 and 3 of the constitution of the USA.. you will see the enumerated powers President has and then make a list of the additional powers the congress has given to that Position and then think about the assumed powers the persons in that position have taken.. and then ask how those powers have been used to enhance your 70 years of life on this earth.

    who established that 8 billion humans should be divided into 208 nation states (groups) and who appointed a few elites to shepherd these humans in each group? what was or is the purpose of pitting one group of humans against another. because if that is not a human rights purpose it should not to be allowed.

    Immigration is not the issue, government policy that sorts and separates humanity is ..
    Ruling the governed is not the issue, only so long as the ruler complies with human rights and orders only those things that enhance the 70 years of life each of the governed are entitled to..

    Developing a platform that requires all decisions of government to be denied if a person empowered by authority of a government attempts to violate the human rights of anyone.. is what I think the immigration vs segregation is all about.. Segregated<= those few with the power can use the governed for private or non human rights purposes.

    why are not these debates going to human rights instead of becoming just one more binary. gun vs no guns, abortion vs no abortion left conservative vs right conservation or whatever?

    "..That future lies in the outcome of the Groyper War. Both sides are connected to the Trump moment—and both compete for the attention of the youth…"

  38. @Sick of Orcs

    Where are those adults, you ask? They have all been Purged from the MSM to places like Unz.com and Vdare. They are now being purged from YouTube as well.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  39. bergots [AKA "therealdeal"] says:

    No borders sayeth the rabid ***

  40. @EliteComminc.

    You are correct, separate everything is fine as long as separate everything is equal/. And it’s a pretty sad posture that you or anyone thinks that hamstringing one’s fellow citizens is a good thing for the country. I want to applaud this group but if it’s this lacking in integrity, then their value is considerably bankrupt.

    I think it is fair to say that while de jure racial segregation was long ago abolished, and despite strenuous efforts to eliminate de facto segregation (such as busing and affirmative action), “integration” has largely been a failure. We used to hear about the desirability of integration a lot back in the ‘sixties – now, we almost never do.

    And why? Largely because blacks don’t really want it. We have seen them instead demand segregation. Recent examples include separate residence halls and even separate commencement ceremonies at universities, and a standing down of police forces in black neighborhoods such that they become essentially “no-go” areas for the public authorities.

    My sense is that despite the secular canonization of Martin Luther King, there are very few American negroes who genuinely want a society in which people are judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. “Equality” is not understood as being equally subject to the same rules. It is instead an insistence that because whites wielded the whip in the past, now it is the blacks’ turn to do so. This is not going to end well.

  41. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Considering that Americans have consistently voted against immigration, it’s hard to believe that the GOP is leaving those votes on the table out of ignorance.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @anonymous
  42. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flint Clint

    There is nothing wrong with China wanting to remain Chinese. Just like there is nothing wrong with Russia wanting to stay Russian.

    Neither of these countries deliberately destabilize other countries in order to import their immigrants.

    If white people wanted to maintain a white America, it shouldn’t have bombed and overthrew so many other countries.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @Flint Clint
  43. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fuerchtegott

    Not true. Just read this thread.

    Non whites are right to fight Fuentes and the Groypers. There are people in his movement who are good people and want a harmonious existence for everyone including white people who are currently being maligned.

    But mainly it is a white identitarian movement that desperately wants to keep America as white as possible and to keep as much power centered under white people as possible.

  44. Nick Fuentes patriotically pointed out that Dinesh D’Souza attacked Sam Francis by the most foul means and that D’Souza is no friend to FREE SPEECH nor honest intellectual enquiry.

    Sam Francis worked as a staffer in the US Congress and he had a PH.D from the University of North Carolina and Sam Francis was a wise man with guts and brains and heart and he was viciously attacked by that horrible ruling class stooge whore scamp named Dinesh D’Souza.

    Dinesh D’Souza was Ben Shapiro before Shapiro was Shapiro, and I am glad that young Mr. Fuentes and his Patriotic Groyper Army are engaging with the evil forces of Shapiroism every chance they get.

    Conservatism Inc. and the Republican Party are inundated and infested with Ben Shapiro and Dinesh D’Souiza type scoundrels, and they must be met on the battlefield of FREE SPEECH and OPEN DEBATE.

    The historic American nation must bang it out bravely against Ben Shapiro and Dinesh D’Souza and the horrible treasonites in Conservatism Inc. and the rancid Republican Party.

    GOD BLESS THE USA AND TO HELL WITH SHAPIRO AND D’SOUZA!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  45. Until and unless the right fully and publicly embraces some form of intelligent racism, they will continue be put on the defensive by cheap attacks from leftists and conservatives. There is no other way out.

    The position for racism must be logical, cogent, consistent, and effective. It must be able to be readily encapsulated in memes. It starts with the following:

    Politics depends on culture and religion, and culture depends on heredity/genetics. Then race is simply a more general classification of hereditary traits, traceable by correlation, NOT frequency, of alleles. Anyone who ignores such a hierarchy, anyone who denies the dependency between culture and genetics, is akin to a scientific throwback who asserts the sun revolves around the earth.

    Racism is pattern recognition, which is the basis of science. Racism is realism, which is an acknowledgement of truth. Personal identity always includes race, whether you like it or not, whether you admit it or not. You may want to forget about racism and identity politics, but racism and identity politics cannot forget about you.

    No more being scared to death of that single word ‘racist’. No more being brainwashed by the left to go into defensive paroxysms of guilt when you hear that trigger word. Every white should be proud of their hereditary European culture(s), and should be proud to be a race realist. In the final analysis, segregation and mutual respect for national boundaries are the only moral solutions.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  46. Fuentes Stays Focused

    Mass Legal Immigration

    Mass Illegal Immigration

    Refugee Overload

    Asylum Seeker Inundation

    Nation-Wrecking Multicultural Mayhem

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration lowers wages, increases housing costs, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases income inequality, harms the environment, causes urban and suburban sprawl, destroys habitat for wildlife, brings crime and infectious diseases to the USA, destroys cultural cohesion and national sovereignty and brings Islamic terrorism to the USA.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  47. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:

    The only reasons that Jewservative Inc. has a second wind are

    the relentless attacks on Trump’s legitimacy,

    followed by communist media preference for their subversion and resultant amplification of their speech.

    This has given them a sense of (forcibly) vacated political space, to fill, where none actually exists in the electorate.

    But they will continue to attempt to fill it with the same brand of nattering that convinced no one running up to the election, with the single key difference being that they would largely like us to forget that they were / are against Trump and therefore the primary expressed political interest(s) of the conservative base.

    In that benefit of a second life and their election season anti-Trump (anti-White) hysteria, they are linked to the undemocratic attacks on the continued existence of Trump’s administration.

    Without the attacks on Trump, American White Nationalism would be the undisputed primary current of the mainstream American Right;

    as validated by the world’s most important election that occurs every four years and that was a specific rejection of the dying pleas of the Jewservatives.

    This isn’t a war. Its an attempt at an ideological coup, amplified by the communist press and parallel with the presidential coup, which is more noise than signal.

    No one has lost sight of the fact that these “mainstream conservatives” were and are against the interests of the Right Wing base. Interests that are necessarily the defining principles of the modern American Right and its Conservatism.

    Jewservative double standard definitions of Jewish ethnonationalist interests and non-Jewish “conservatism” (Jew ethnonationalist support and libertarian space for Social Marxist values for non-Jews) make for unconvincing propaganda speeches that advocate for their place as legitimate leaders in any American Right Wing political space.

    At the end of the day, these people confirm what has been long said about Jewish civic and social toxicity.

    Second, their efforts will continue to fail to move the needle as they did in the election season.

    This means that the primary sum effect of Jewservative activity is to further harm Jews in the diaspora social spaces that they cannot escape if they wish to live outside of Israel.

  48. “Apartheid or ethnic separation is a good and moral policy where one ethnic group cannot assimilate the other but the two groups share common territory. Good way of keeping the peace.”

    Well,

    as mu comments state quite simply. In the US if you have a country predicated on equal status — bot equal ability, but equal before the law and by the law and as citizen — that is your stated goal

    then separate must equal.

    That would be the case regardless if the state provides gold toilets for whotes — the state has to provide gold toilets for blacks. I

  49. Anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    But mainly it is a white identitarian movement that desperately wants to keep America as white as possible and to keep as much power centered under white people as possible.

    America is only desiable because it is as White as possible.

    As Whites decline in relative number, the quality of life in America will decline. No one is clamoring to get into any nation that is not White unless they are being overpaid for an otherwise grim existence.

    Power is necessarily centered under White people. Anything else is Africa, South America, or Asia and everything that comes with them. None of which are desirable places to exist, in comparison with White nations, with at most two exceptions in Asia.

    You are falling prey to typical non-White myopic perspective on your relatively privileged existence, quality of life, and their root origin in and continued dependence on the presence of a majority of White people.

    Should you ever get your wish for more non-White power, you will see your prior error.

    However, at that point in time it will be too late to reverse course and your “powerful non-whites” and this nation will be dominated by whatever White / Jewish foreign power wants to have its way with you.

    But this time as free from US democratic constraints and law.

  50. c matt says:
    @EliteComminc.

    separate everything is fine as long as separate everything is equal

    No – separate everything is fine as long as separate everything is not deliberately hindered. If they then turn out unequal, that is on the separated party that falls behind. Public schools are a perfect example. If a majority White school, a majority Asian school, a majority Hispanic school and a majority Black school get the same per capita funding, if one falls behind it is on that school. The problem isn’t funding – the problem is the environment (lack of discipline, lack of focus, lack of motivation) created by the constituent student body.

    • Replies: @Reality
  51. SteveM says:

    The Groyper War is actually pretty simple: patriots attend conservative campus events and ask the speakers tough questions.

    Attending conservative campus events, asking the speakers tough questions and 2 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.

    Real change takes real effort at the grass roots level. Which means a lot more effort at organizing politically and challenging the people who are actually in power.

    The Groypers like Conservative Inc. have a schtick. I.e., they just show up and gas-bag. And when it’s played it generates little more than smug satisfaction for the attendees.

    BTW, the real money in the political eco-system is in standing up a 501c “non-profit” and collecting donations from chumps for playing the same schtick in perpetuity. Brent Bozell the president of the Media Research Center pays himself $500,000 a year for rehashing the media bias script. I imagine that Nick Fuentes and American Identity Movement leader Patrick Casey will be rolling in dough in the near future.

  52. ” It is instead an insistence that because whites wielded the whip in the past, now it is the blacks’ turn to do so. This is not going to end well.”

    On college campuses there may be snippets of this attitude and advocacy as a redress. It’s a tough call for me to tell any entity how best to deal with redressing obvious wrongs — I think that blacks engaging the tactics of whites past and present to marginalize them is a bad idea. I think if any redres is in order, it should considered carefully and in keeping with good order and the ideals and processes of the our founding. And i think that blacks will bear that burden of wrong by giving whites a pass on multiple levels for what they inherited and subsequently maintained, be ever so much kinder and subtler than previous generations.

    However,

    43 million b;lack people are not seeking to whip whites into second class citizens. That as a national sentiment among blacks is not in evidence — one of the failings of blacks historically is that despite all of the accusation as violent ne’re do wells — they seem to forgive easily, certainly that is true in the US, for most.

    —————————-

    If at the end of the day the advocacy is about what whites need to do to keep the country, as white means national loyalty — all the evidence suggests that it whites who opening up the borders —

    then the advocacy is probably going to self destruct.

  53. c matt says:
    @Anonymous

    it is white people ruling and everyone else putting up with it

    Seems to work better than the alternatives.

    “It is trained physicians performing surgeries and everyone else putting up with it”

    “It is professional plumbers fixing toilets and everyone else putting up with it”

    “It is licensed pilots flying airplanes and everyone else putting up with it”

    I think you get the picture.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  54. Arnieus says:
    @miss marple

    “Could it be that” in your anti-racist feminist delusion you can’t criticize racism without pointing your little wagging finger at “WASP, Nordic or even Irish?”

  55. Arnieus says:
    @miss marple

    “Could it be that” in your anti-racist feminist delusion you can’t criticize racism without pointing your little wagging finger at “WASP, Nordic or even Irish?”

  56. c matt says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    SNL was always hit or miss (mostly miss). The Bush/Gore debate skits were pretty good.

  57. Anon[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Non whites are right to fight Fuentes and the Groypers.

    No one can “fight” Fuentes and the Groypers outside of elections.

    These entities being only representations of firm political interests and ideas of a vast swath of the American public. Any other notion is harmful illusion.

    The notion of “fighting them” by engaging these entities is therefore idiotic, and it merely makes the Left look more undemocratic and unhinged.

    You can’t fight an idea / perceived political interest by deplatforming its interim spokespeaople and calling it names.

    At worst, you are serving only to give it what it needs to inoculate itself to such attacks before it grows larger and stronger. If “fighting them” in the manner that they are being now fought is indicative of the fight, then the anti-nationalists are doomed and may be making an eventual slap-back much worse once Nationalists close their grip on power. Which they eventually will.

    For example, do you know what I have to do to neutralize the attacks of Jewservative Inc against the Groypers? Simply not listen to them and then vote for Groyper expressed political interests. That’s all anyone has to do, that’s what they are doing, and that’s what they will continue to do.

    This isn’t a fight. Its a death rattle. Make it as loud as you wish, but I would offer that any further attention is bad attention for the anti-Nationalists.

  58. nsa says:

    Game over for legacy whitey. The boomers ruined it for every white generation to come with their self-serving bullshit: “diversity is strength” (lots of cheap gardeners, roofers, code scribblers), “we honor diversity” (lots of vismins in the near future changing boomer diapers at the nursing home), “unity is diversity” (boomers residing in gated communities and condos), “diversity creates a better world” (endless murderous boomer overseas adventures), “diversity is inspiration” (dollar a head lettuce). Now, Wash Watcher proposes that a token flip (malkie) and a token beaner (fuentie) will ride to the rescue of whitey……while every day 5000 illegals march over the southern border unmolested and an equal number of legals come in through the airports.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  59. anonymous[767] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Considering that Americans have consistently voted against immigration, it’s hard to believe that the GOP is leaving those votes on the table out of ignorance.

    Yes, the majority of Americans want much less immigration. I’d go so far as to say that the majority of Americans want much less non-European immigration even more. But you can’t say that publicly in 2019.

    So what are the Republicans to do? If they come out in favor of drastically reducing immigration, should they solely use economic and environmental arguments or should they also use cultural and (gasp!) racial arguments?

    I’d say the first two are definite wins. The third one, even if framed as good as it can, is a maybe. The last one is a non-starter.

    The future may be with the America Firsters. Maybe they can help change the dialog, so that public discussion of these issues is not so constrained. There is something appealing about their rebelliousness, humor and fervor.

    However, you can’t change the culture overnight. How long did it take The Left to change our culture to what it is today? The Republicans have to be cautious. They shouldn’t be planting the seeds before the soil is prepared.

    Your statement implies that Republicans knowingly are destroying their future. I guess to please their present-day donors. Maybe the America Firsters won’t allow them to do this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  60. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:

    The conservative student group, which is effectively run by Shapiro, issued a statement last weekend saying “white nationalists” are not welcome in the conservative movement

    This is obvious treason. White nationalism is the only defence against the White Genocide project. What are they pretending to conserve, anyway? Talmud? It sure as hell isn’t the race that built the country from nothing.

    • Agree: fatmanscoop
  61. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    But your movement is not saying this, it is being coy because of the bad optics. This is intellectually dishonest.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  62. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @fatmanscoop

    Imagine how much white people would chimp out if they had to drink at a separate water fountain in China

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
    , @Charlemagne
  63. Icy Blast says:
    @miss marple

    If you are offended and alienated by Michelle Malkin and Nick Fuentes, you should seriously consider emigrating.

  64. @ NSA,

    Granted, Boomers like myself may have “ruined it for every white generation to come,” but my parents WWII generation, so full of infernal Hubris after winning the war that they thought they owned the world, started the country on its downward trajectory with the nation-destroying Hart-Celler Act of 1965. My generation failed to repeal it, but we didn’t start the fire. And it’s not going to be repealed now.

  65. Anonymous[772] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Trump campaigned on precisely such unspeakable evils, and despite uniform condemnation from right thinking media, democrats and republicans, he won. This “discussion” already is happening, but the reaction by media and establishment politicians betrays a certain fear — they clearly have knowledge of a potentially uncontrollable social awakening which is threatening a multi generational social engineering plan.

    Motives are best understood by actions and their predictable consequences. That the GOP says certain things but does other things tell me all that I need to know.

  66. It is interesting how identity politics has affected voting power in the US.
    Black voters tend to vote as a monolithic bloc, driven by their leaders (preachers and politicians). As a result, Blacks have voted about 80% more for Democrats than Republicans in the ten elections starting in 1980 (79.6 +/- 1.9% differential voting between the parties). Thus while only 13% of the population, if all had voted, they would have exerted as much power as 10.3% of the population in favor of Democrats with their vote.
    White voters tend to be issue and candidate driven. As a result, they have voted about 15% more in these same elections for Republicans (15.4 +/- 2.4% differential voting). Though a much bigger fraction of the total population, 60%, they would have exerted only (0.154 X 60 =) 9.2% of the population voting in favor of Republicans, less than the Black vote in favor of Democrats (if everyone voted; generally a lower percent of Blacks vote than whites). Other minorities (Hispanic, Asians, and Jewish) also vote mostly Democrat, but none with the voting differential between parties as Blacks exhibit.
    As whites increasingly become a minority in America will they follow identity politics like other minorities and vote “white”? (and be decried as White Supremacists?) More logically, they would vote self-interest (more aligned with income/ class) but that doesn’t seem important in other minorities votings?

  67. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @fatmanscoop

    unthinking and gormless application of the tenets of her anti-white indoctrination to real-world events

    Unfortunately, that’s spot on.

  68. “If they then turn out unequal, that is on the separated party that falls behind. Public schools are a perfect example.”

    Laughing

    Nice try. Before we discuss performance — one has to address the failure and worse deliberate efforts deny the equal status in the system. You don;t get to trip the other guy and makes claims you did it because they would have lost anyway.

    juxtaposed against this bizarre take on the history of voting in which blacks have crossed the color line routinely to vote for whites even when black candidates were in the offing.

    The record indicates that a voting block whites by wide margnix have vboted soley for white candidates — ever smnce the founding.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  69. Correction:

    The record indicates that a voting block whites by wide margin have voted soley for white candidates — ever since the founding. And that whites engaged in tactics both benign and overtly violent to discourage voting in any other manner accept for whites candidates.

    The dominant color population votes, thinks and acts monolithically to benefit whtes —

    laugh

    even on the issue of destructive immigration policy.

  70. Richard B says:
    @sameguy

    We’re tired of the moralizing.

    Hear, hear!

    Speaking of their moralizing, here’s this one from Charlie Quirk,

    Ethno-Nationalism is Un-American.

    As long as people are asking Charlie & Co. hard questions, I propose this one:

    If Ethno-Nationalism is Un-American why is it American to support Israel?

  71. onebornfree says: • Website
    @fatmanscoop

    “fatmanscoop says: “Apartheid or ethnic separation is a good and moral policy where one ethnic group cannot assimilate the other but the two groups share common territory. Good way of keeping the peace.”

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  72. Richard B says:
    @miss marple

    I think some psychoanalysis of Malkin and Fuentes is in order.

    What a ditz! Why not just use voodoo?

    It’d be a lot more intellectually respectable. And even more up to date.

    This is what happens when Critical Thinking is replaced with Critical Theory.

    Welcome to The Inverted World of Dunning-Kruger Effect Nation!

  73. @Anonymous

    Imagine how much white people would chimp out if they had to drink at a separate water fountain in China

    Whites in China are transients – I don’t know but I would think they would be expected to, at the very least, live separately and in total subordination to the Han Chinese state apparatus if a group of them put down roots in a particular area of Chinese territory (which would be analogous).

  74. @onebornfree

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    Oh right which are these men who comment or write on political subjects and would rather that the government DID NOT adopt and enforce according to their point of view? Does the above quote take out the entirety of literature relating to political matters, given that every idea contained in such literature is likely to be “idiotic” (according to the logic of your quote)?

    “The kind of man who copies out and then posts trite and idiotic witticisms, while mistakenly thinking that attributing to them some public figure gives them respectability, is well worth ignoring.” ME, JUST NOW.

  75. Art says:

    The Groypers are right – it is about fundamentals.

    We should keep people out of our country who can never show reverence for George Washington, our founders, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Those people and those writings are fundamental to our functioning as a free people.

    It is not a matter of skin color – it is about superior ideals that our Constitution affords us. Anyone who shows reverence for our founding – is welcome.

    People who come to our country like Jews and Mexicans who vote in mass against our idealism, and never truly assimilate – are NOT welcome. Jew control of politics (see great Ron Unz article) and mass voting by Mexicans has destroyed California.

    I love the Groypers because they give the Jews a hard time – thus breaking the taboo against speaking freely about Jews. They are making Jews an open subject in America – BRAVO!

    All this immigrant trouble circles around and is caused by the Jews. Without them American can rationally solve this problem.

    Fixing the Jew problem is a must.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Art
  76. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Nice try. Before we discuss performance — one has to address the failure and worse deliberate efforts deny the equal status in the system. You don;t get to trip the other guy and makes claims you did it because they would have lost anyway.

    You keep barfing out drivel like this without anything concrete. We have had trillions spent on experts and their ideas about to bring them up and nothing works. We have tried stupid liberal teachers going into the inner city only leaving in fear for their life. The only thing that seens to work is military style discipline but no white can enforce it. Only tough black male teachers but even that isn’t enough given the worthlessness of their home life and the dearth of such teachers.

  77. Art says:
    @Art

    Here is the fine Ron Unz article on California politics.

    American Pravda: the Power of Organized Crime

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/

  78. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    [It’s bad behavior to repeatedly leave the same long comment, especially if it’s off-topic.]

  79. Charlemagne says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I would not. (I’m a honky.)

  80. @sameguy

    IT WAS A JOKE.

    Of course it was, and you would be surprised how many front end boomers get it. Most of us were told by our parents to grow a thicker skin, don’t be a sissy, etc. We all have stories to tell. My grandfather had a Doctorate in Chemistry from the University of Copenhagen when he arrived, and spoke 3 languages. All he could find was menial jobs and was met with vacant position signs that said his ethic group need not apply. No, he wasn’t Black or a Jew, he was White. He didn’t waste the rest of his life whining about it. Neither did his wife and kids. That’s life, get over it.
    At school, kids were teased for being heavy, homely, short, tall, or even having red hair. Kids are naturally “mean” through their bluntness for stating the politically incorrect.

    As I have posted, shortly after Eileen Barton’s hit song of 1950 came out, there was already a parody turning it into Hitler’s favourite song: If I Knew You Were Coming I’d Have Baked a Kike. We made fun of everybody, including Limeys, Krauts, and the Scots and Irish in equally unflattering terms.

    The point is this: bad things happen in your life and it’s your story to tell. You have a choice, be defined and consumed by those things, or learn from them and move on.

  81. @Anonymous

    (((White))) people have been in charge of US foreign policy since Woodrow Wilson.

    Israel is bombing Iran and Syria right now – open the gates and let the real Jews in so the Neo-Palestinians are removed from their position of power.

    And you are an absolute idiot if you think Russia and China aren’t engaged in both empire building and deliberately destablising other countries.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  82. @Anonymous

    You project (((Anonymous))). You glow in the dark.

    (((White))) people aren’t white. There are practically no white people in power and there hasn’t been for some time.

    The American nation are the posterity for whom the United States was formed. Immigrants and the children of immigrants are seeking to conquer the American nation and replace it with something totally inferior and debased.

    They are the aggressors. White people in the United States don’t want to be totally disenfranchised, replaced and subjugated. And they won’t be.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-veterans-of-peoples-liberation-army-form-association-sing-of-chinas-martial-glory

    Why are these Canadians professing any sense of loyalty to the Chinese military? They’re Canadian now.

    It’s a joke.

    Magic dirt fails every time. Every single time, the magic dirt fails. And every single day, more and more young white people are coming to understand this.

    The Republicans aren’t every going to win another election because of immigration. So be it. They can be replaced as well with a party that will represent Americans, not ‘Not-Americans’ like I suspect you are.

  83. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    As an Asian immigrant who’ve been in the US for over 30 years, I think the immigration policy of this country is suicidal. If I wanted to live among a sea of Asians, I would’ve stayed back in Asia. Instead, I came as a teen to attend college and never looked back because I know that majority of Asians, be they Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipino or what have you, are incredibly dishonest, rude, racist and misogynist. In small numbers they will assimilate, in large numbers they will turn the US into another version of their old country.

    The GOP is full of treasonous rats like Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), who has tried 3 times to pass his Indian green card giveaway bill S. 386. The last time it was blocked by Sen. Dick Durban(D-IL), who wanted to push through his own bill S. 2603, to give away even more green cards to Indian nationals. Mike Lee has been urging Indian H1b workers to hound Dick Durban for blocking his bill, which he’s trying to push thru the senate w/ unanimous consent. Durban’s bill is currently blocked by Sen. Kennedy (R-LA). The Indians put out some vicious attack ads on Durban back in October. Why was that not considered foreign interference in our election? Meanwhile, 103 Republicans co-sponsored the corresponding bill in the house, H.R. 1044, which passed the house 365-65. Kevin McCarthy gave his enthusiastic support.

    The most cucked conservatives these days have to be the Mormons (and the Jews). I live among many. Many actually voted for Hillary in 2016. The church is just a business to them. They are now actively recruiting non-whites as Mormons, esp. the hispanics.

    America needs a 40 year moratorium on immigration. Send packing all those who are not yet citizens, then absorb and assimilate all those who became citizens in the last 50 years. Otherwise, I fear this country will turn into another dysfunctional third world hellhole like Brazil, India, Mexico, and conservatives are just as much to blame as liberals. I consider myself a nationalist. You don’t have to be white to be one. You just have to love this country. As a naturalized citizen, I think I love this country a lot more than many whites and blacks who want to give this country away through mass immigration, be they liberal or conservative.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  84. “You keep barfing out drivel like this without anything concrete. We have had trillions spent on experts and their ideas about to bring them up and nothing works.”

    Your comments are wholly unrelated to anything I have said or anything anyone else making comments on the matter has said.

    If there is something that you think is incorrect regarding the historical record regarding black socialization as nonequally treated you are welcome to present it.

    ———————————–

    As a courtesy, I will respond to your nonsequitor. There have been programs introduced to redress the issue, you wish to ignore. However, nearly all to a one have been available to the population at large welfare, grants and even the pet whipping boy Affirmative Action all were never soley targeted to the population in question. If so, perhaps some weight could be given to the charge of black redress. But by and large that simply is not the case. In fact, even the New deal — was denied to most black populations. And despite the advent of welfare blacks were not included generally until the 1960’s (?), according the text, “Welfare: A Documentary History . . .” by Gwendolyn Mink and Rickie Solinger. There is no reason to think that the history of New York City is not reflective of most communities in the US regarding black socialization.

    Historically whites have managed to leverage every program to their stead. But none of that addresses the issue of the ventral argument — nationalism and its application and how blacks despite every effort to demonstrate loyalty to nation were damaged their fellow citizens. If I lie to you six days a week, make you jump hurdles, describe you as by nature less than — and suddenly on the seventh day, I say, ok now your equal, there’s a very good change and every reason for you not to trust me. And if i should say, “but that was yesterday”,

    you would be well disposed to respond,

    “I doubt day seven is less the lies you told for the previous six”

    – even if I swore on a stack of bibles or the pinnacle of white virtue my truthfulness for i have sold my virtue for the sake of being on top.

    You might even be angry about the entire affair.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  85. @Anonymous

    And there is nothing wrong with the United States wanting to remain American – which is comprised of the genetic posterity and adjacent European nations. All white. None Jewish.

    You speak as if in a past tense.

    (((White))) people destablised other countries, and their proxies, and then (((White))) people facilitated and legislated for the mass replacement immigration, in every single country.

    (((White))) people stole California, literally, using the money they confiscated from helpless minority Americans they put in concentration camps during World War 2 and then funnelled to their crime syndicates, and now their spawn write in the New York Times exactly as you do.

    The neoliberals descended from Trotsky, all Jewish, simply changed the words from ‘International Revolution’ to ‘Liberal Democracy in the Middle-East’ etc.

    This isn’t going to last, Anonymous. Immigrants and the children of Immigrants have no right to turn the United States into the shit-holes from whence they came, either at the bottom or the top end. They aren’t American, they never will be American.

    Shapiru and Jonah Goldberg and any other court Jew and anyone else can write their books redefining everything so that they are master and all others slaves or simply eliminated from conceptual existence.

    It isn’t going to matter.

    It’s amazing. Imagine if someone wrote that Israel is really just Chinese because of Chinese ideas lol.

    As Vegetius wrote: Si vis pacem, para bellum. The Union cannot be saved because it no longer exists in the hearts of men.

    United, the Empire must divide. Divided, the Empire must unite.

    We’re in the former phrase phase friend.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

    Everyone is disgusted with this Satanic neo-Babel. No one would have fought in Europe had they known what was going to eventuate today, mass invasion, mass rape, mass defenestration and cultural destruction, mass subjugation by foreign aliens.

    This current political cycle will end with the absolutely inevitable downturn in the economic cycle.

    You project. If non-whites want to be in the United States, just as in China, they must assimilate. They haven’t assimilated, there is no chance they will ever assimilate. So what will be, will be.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  86. Agent76 says:

    October 28, 2019 Endorsing The Deep State Endangers Democracy

    Since Donald Trump was elected president the New York Times’ understanding of the ‘Deep State’ evolved from a total denial of its existence towards a full endorsement of its anti-democratic operations.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52454.htm

    November 20, 2019 Impeach the Government: Rogue Agencies Have Been Abusing Their Powers for Decades

    By all means, let’s talk about impeachment. To allow the President or any rogue government agency or individual to disregard the rule of law whenever, wherever and however it chooses and operate “above the law” is exactly how a nation of sheep gives rise to a government of wolves.

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/impeach_the_government_rogue_agencies_have_been_abusing_their_powers_for_decades

    July 4, 2019 Brave Congressman Blasts 2-Party System as ‘Existential Threat to America’ then Quits His Party

    In an inspiring op-ed on the 4th of July, the now-former Republican Congressman Justin Amash took to destroying the idea of identity politics, notably the two-party system, which he says is destroying the country.

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/congressman-declares-independence-america/

    • Replies: @El Dato
  87. YAF stood for “Young Americans for Freedom” back during the Cold War, when there were slight differences between the West and the Soviet bloc.

    I guess Freedom is way off the table now.

  88. Miro23 says:
    @Anonymous

    As an Asian immigrant who’ve been in the US for over 30 years, I think the immigration policy of this country is suicidal. If I wanted to live among a sea of Asians, I would’ve stayed back in Asia. Instead, I came as a teen to attend college and never looked back because I know that majority of Asians, be they Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipino or what have you, are incredibly dishonest, rude, racist and misogynist. In small numbers they will assimilate, in large numbers they will turn the US into another version of their old country.

    Very true this. I’ve been a foreign resident in Southern Spain for over 30 years and think that Spain’s immigration policy is also suicidal. Masses or North African immigrants are given Spanish citizenship and are filling up the schools (paid for by the state) with their children. They don’t integrate at all, they’re Muslims in a Muslim society , wear jalabas and headscarves, and in due course will claim political power.

    The arduous centuries long Christian Reconquista of Spain is now actually put into reverse by incredibly stupid (but politically correct) Spanish politicians.

  89. El Dato says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Are these arranged as an ordered series?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  90. El Dato says:
    @Agent76

    Since Donald Trump was elected president the New York Times’ understanding of the ‘Deep State’ evolved from a total denial of its existence towards a full endorsement of its anti-democratic operations.

    It’s as if there was really a psy-operation going on. “The submerged part of ‘management’ does not exist. And even if it did, it would be so great!! BELIEVE!!”

    Meanwhile, the voting machines are still crap.

    “Epstein didn’t really kill himself, right?”

  91. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flint Clint

    I agree with you. Assimilation can only occur when immigrants arrive young, alone, are of high IQ, become educated, intermarry with citizens and arrive in small numbers. The larger the group, the longer it takes to assimilate them. Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. Now this is made worse by the liberal indoctrination that insist no one needs to be assimilated, that America can exist as a multicultural paradise, and that we must accept “diversity”. I used to think this was stupidity. Now that I know who actually runs the (((liberal))) establishment, I know this is not done out of naiveté but of pure evil intent. Too bad so many whites are so naive/dumb they readily bought into this diversity=strength narrative.

  92. melpol says:

    Mudsharks or white gals that have sex with non-whites are proven to alleviate racial tensions. Most immigrants cross the Southern border alone and without a woman, and are horny. Lack of a sexual relationships among men according to Psychologists leads to aggression and violence. Mudsharks are now invading border towns and also lowering crime rates. Mudshark dating services phones are ringing off the hook. Added bonuses to white gals are that brown skin immigrants are well endowed and enjoy giving as well as receiving oral sex.

  93. @Sick of Orcs

    I admire the young Groypers as well, with their courage and commitment to principles. Maybe the “adults in the room”, the few of them that haven’t been banished, are afraid of losing what little they have left. These young people have little to lose at this point in their lives. That’s where the courage of youth comes from, having little to lose.

    I’m old and I came to accept that I’m an old hoser, and that the adults in the room are now people much younger than I am. I hope that other old hosers like me can accept our elder status and give the young adults our support and approval. It’s the ones in the middle, who still have kids to bring up who have to be careful. Young and old can better afford to be radical and uncompromising on principle.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  94. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flint Clint

    Which countries are Russia and China trying to destabilize?

    I think they are actually trying to broker peace in the Mideast, while the US is actively trying to spoil their plan by stirring up shite, on behalf of Israel. China just wants to do business. War is not good for business since they don’t have a well established military industrial complex like the US.

    From Syria to Libya, Ukraine to Venezuela, North Korea to Iran, there isn’t a continent America isn’t actively trying to extend its empire tentacles. The neocons and their deep state operatives headed by the CIA/Mossad just can’t help themselves. They think if they don’t run the world, another country will, and will take all the spoils. Paranoia, greed and deceit run deep in their veins. And it isn’t just the Jews either. Before JUSA there was the Soviet empire, the British empire, and before them the Roman empire. Although many neocons are Jewish, lots of their willing co-conspirators aren’t – Pence, Pompeo, Bolton, Haley, many of deep state, and the yahoos now testifying on the impeachment clown show.

    America is increasingly isolating itself due to its ties to Israel. Russia-China-Iran are daily being vilified by both liberal and conservative media for daring to oppose the Jew World Order. Western Europe is distancing itself from the US because of Trump’s overt ties to Israel, just as they did when Bush II was around.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  95. @EliteCommInc.

    “good greif”

    Ahem…. ‘I’ before ‘E’, except after ‘C’, or when sounded like ‘A’, as in “neighbor” and “weigh”. [/spelling nazi ]

  96. @Charles Pewitt

    Yes, I remember little Dot Head Dinesh doing that. I intend to sic the dogs on his ass the next time I catch him cutting across my lawn, too.

  97. Art says:
    @Art

    The Groypers must realize that fixing immigration cannot happen without a fight with the Jews.

    The Groypers are being terrorized by the Jews in their usual Stockholm Syndrome coercive fashion. They are being called racists, anti-Semites, and white power Nazis. (But the Groypers are not cooperating in typical fashion.)

    The Jews have terrorized the whole world using the Stockholm Syndrome. First, the Jew terrorists threaten people’s freedom – then they cry victimhood over and over – then the threatened people begin to empathize with their Jew terrorists, and allow their freedom to speak to be curtailed. The threatened people are held responsible for WWII. The result is that an unjust guilt trip is being put on everyone.

    Using the Stockholm syndrome, the Jews are holding the entire living world responsible for WWII. How can this be – less than 1% of everybody was alive during WWII. How can we be rationally held responsible? This is evil. The Jews are using this false guilt to do evil in the world. There is no denying this malicious situation.

    In responding to the Jew attacks – the Groypers should remind them that they were not alive – their parents were not alive – maybe even their grandparents were not alive during WWII.

    It is time for the WWII guilt trip to be over!

    p.s. The Jews are the most racist people on the planet – they must be reminded of that fact over and over. Israel is an apartheid state.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  98. KenH says:

    Little Ben Shapiro is against any race based policies favoring of whites in the American diaspora since a polyglot nation is good for Jews. But he and Chuck the cuck Kirk have no problems with Israel’s race based approach to immigration that includes DNA testing to verify Jewishness or in boldly proclaiming Izzy as a Jewish state. Israel is a nation of blood and soil and not ideas.

    It appears at NC State that Chuck had the Groypers back on their heels a bit. It looked like Ben gave Chuck a crash course in jewjitsu which involves answering questions with questions, dissembling and one liners but rarely answering a question directly and in good faith.

    Overall it looks like the Groyper rebellion was a success resulting in one or two dissolutions of campus TPUSA chapters, resignations from others and a lot of spitting and hissing from cuckservatism, inc. over the impudence of these supposed “racist incels” to dare question Israel uber alles, homosexual sodomy as true conservatism and the nobility of becoming a hated minority in a nation founded by our ancestors.

  99. @KenH

    “Israel is a nation of blood and soil and not ideas.”

    The Idea is American blood. Palestinian soil.

  100. @Anonymous

    China is going to debt enslave the entire African continent. And when they have enough assets there they will give them the Leopold II of Belgium treatment. I wish the Chinese luck. Lets see if they can civilize Africa or if they too will be consumed by Conrad’s Heart of Darkness.

    China is also actively destabilising Australia, and New Zealand, and all the Asian countries around it to the degree it can.

    Russia is expanding it’s sphere of influence – remembering that it has an economy that by some metrics is smaller then Spains, and most of it’s citizens live in alcoholic penury. Russia interestingly has very close ties with India. One in 3 Indian elites basically has a profound affinity for Russia. The US will never be able to coalesce India into it’s sphere of influence.

    It’s not binary. Globo-homo neocon empire is worse, because they are satanic occultist and rape and sacrifice children. What happened to those 550 children who just ‘disappeared’ in Arizona last year?

    https://www.azmirror.com/2019/10/04/gop-senator-az-foster-kids-are-being-sold-into-sexual-slavery/

    550 kids in one state via a government program just not there anymore.

    But Chinese Han Minzu Zhu-yi and Judeo-Russian corruptocracy are also not good. I don’t necessarily want to denigrate Mao and end up a prisoner getting my organs harvested by China either.

    And yes, of course, because America is a Jewish colony, run by and for Jewish interests, presided over by Jewish secret societies. It is seemingly impossible to obtain public power in the United States without swearing blackmailable fealty to a secret society affiliated with either Zionists, or international revolutionaries.

    Trump is no different – he’s just got maybe %1-5 freedom of action. It’s either Chabad-Lubovitch, or the Sabbatean-Frankists and Bronstein-ites and satanic occultists.

    The 19th century onwards is a dialectic between those 2 factions, with freemasonry now subsumed by both.

    You do not want to be a white person in Chinese sphere of influence, or indeed in Russia, unless you have some very potent wealth and leverage.

    Jews are simply incredible in their ability to weave and accumulate the world, like the elements of Kabbalah they seem able to simply move in a different reality.

    The next 50 years of struggle between Jews and Asians, both low trust, high performance belligerents is going to be extremely interesting.

    Whites basically are going to need to form enclaves like Rhodesia with WMD’s to be left alone, if they are to survive.

    More likely is that we are going to be put into an endless sleep state – a la Cleon Peterson’s endless sleep illustrations, and the Denver Airport Masonic illustrations that foretell the future state of the world.

    Anyway we shall see. But what is clear that conservatism is no longer viable. Which is a shame.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  101. Great Post. Too bad the comments are so moronic.

  102. @El Dato

    Upon further thought, the promo for TPUSA and Charley Kirk, “Baseball, apple pie, anal sex and Israel” has a better beat.

  103. @MarkinLA

    Well stated.

    Shapiro was utterly trashed when he ventured on the BBC if I remember.

  104. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    There is a very simple formula for middle class success – learn to read, write, and at least do simple math in school. Don’t get involved in criminal activity. Get a job, show up on time, have a decent attitude, and be conscientious. Of course, you can do more than that but that is a simple plan to be middle class.

    Asians fresh off the boat seem to understand it but generation after generation of blacks don’t.

    Bringing up stuff that only applied to black who are senior citizens now is ridiculous. They aren’t in school chimping out. As a percentage of the population blacks are using far more types of welfare than anybody else generation after generation and nothing seems to change. It’s time to stop making excuses. That was OK in 1970 when we didn’t have 50 years of experience behind us.

  105. “Ahem…. ‘I’ before ‘E’, except after ‘C’, or when sounded like ‘A’, as in “neighbor” and “weigh”. [/spelling nazi ]”

    Laugh.

  106. @KenH

    Yeah, the endless hypocrisy of the Shapiro’s of this world and their shabbosgoyim like Kirk and Cuckservatism, Inc is enough to make you wretch.

  107. nickels says:

    Groypers outnumber cuckservatives 100
    To 1.
    Its only a matter of time.

  108. @melpol

    “Mudsharks or white gals that have sex with non-whites are proven to alleviate racial tensions…Mudsharks are now invading border towns and also lowering crime rates. Mudshark dating services phones are ringing off the hook. Added bonuses to white gals are that brown skin immigrants are well endowed and enjoy giving as well as receiving oral sex.”

    What a comical little Jew provocateur you are.

    But not as comical as your bubbe sucking off the local Gauleiter in lieu of getting served a Zyklon B cocktail back in the day. Now that must have alleviated some racial tension!

  109. @Anonymous

    There’s no organized movement at this time.

    It won’t be easy to create one. When blacks (really Jews) were fighting for SIBBLE RIGHTS, the opposition were people who’d had direct contact with the former’s behavior and since have had their warnings proven correct.

    Today the anti-White hate propaganda is ubiquitous and intense. Unless “hate crime” laws are abolished we will end up more than just debt slaves.

  110. Who is White ? Do you use South Africa’s Apartheid law’s definition that a person is white if they were “obviously …or generally accepted as White .”

  111. @nsa

    No, you lying asshole, it was NOT boomers that ruined America, it was JEWS.

    Celler and Javitz…..not boomers.

    Adorno and Horkheimer and Kallen, Marcuse and Gould. Kristol and Perle and Wolfowitz.

    NOT boomers.

    Don’t try to deflect the blame away from the real culprits.

  112. @jsm

    Yes, but one hot pundit does not a movement make. We need lawyers above all and a few dozen engaging speakers.

  113. How in hell can any serious conservative blogger/writer mention shills like: Kirk, Shapiru, Fuentes and call them leaders? Charlie Kirk tells his audience that the Israeli attack on the USS LIBERTY is a conspiracy theory, Ben Shapiro is just another gay Jewish boy propped up by TPTB, and Fuentes is a 21 year old Marrano Jew who lives with his parents, and all are probably homosexual. The only people they lead are the blind
    If you need or want to hear what is really going on in the growing young conservative movement check out Owen Benjamin, Vox Day at http://www.unauthorized.tv.com or Devon Stack at youtube. These are just 3 young men who value God, family, truth and logos.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  114. @Anonymous

    Nick Fuentes is a Marrano (crypto) Jew, his family converted to Christianity (not really) rather than leave Spain when the Jews were expelled, a few hundred years ago.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  115. @melpol

    80% of women and children crossing the border get raped.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972

    That means literally millions of women and children are being raped. And probably most of the boys too.

    So anyone against the wall is absolutely, without question, pro-pedophilia and pro industrialised scale rape.

    That’s what’s so funny about Jewish opposition to the wall, alongside nominal Jewish feminism.

    Jews like rape. They like the idea of rape. They enjoy depicting rape. And they like too rape. And they like facilitating rape.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029

    British Labour MP said material she had to hand showed one million primarily children have been raped by immigrants, predominately ‘Asians’ and she didn’t put a time-line on it. Could be pretty recent.

    Then, she got a walkout from racist immigrants and ‘Asians’ meaning Muslims and Pakistanis when she was elected, because she was white.

    Those English women didn’t like being rape tortured by Jewish proxies.

    And the toll that those ‘mudsharks’ as you call it pay is grim indeed – single mothers and assault victims.

    So much debt has been accrued.

    • Replies: @melpol
  116. “There is a very simple formula for middle class success – learn to read, write, and at least do simple math in school. Don’t get involved in criminal activity. Get a job, show up on time, have a decent attitude, and be conscientious. Of course, you can do more than that but that is a simple plan to be middle class.”

    Laughing…

    I tell you what, when you get a clue what the discussion is about I will respond. I am just not inclined to rehash issues previously presented and addressed.

    as a courtesy

    Though I agree that reading, writing, arithmetic are valuable, being early for work is always good, attitude and what constitutes its value is very subjective and in my experience with whites or blacks or greens, not required to be an effective employee, executive, stall or business owner . . . unlike you however, I live in reality and know full well, a person can do all of those and more and still not be middle class.

    There’s the formula and then there is reality.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  117. @the grand wazoo

    It is the zionist agenda to infiltrate all possible groups and direct them in a way that the zionist want, and this includes the Christian churches and the Republican party and conservative groups, etc., etc., and in fact the government of this country, where all the branches are infiltrated by and ran by zionists!

    The Protocols of Zion lays out this zionist template!

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
  118. @the grand wazoo

    Your evidence for that claim is what, exactly?

  119. Reality says:
    @c matt

    The problem is IQ85 will always lag in comparison to IQ100

    • Replies: @Hang All Text Drivers
  120. Obozo could be and should be legally executed because of DACA. Section 1324 of title 8 of the US code makes it a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here . The penalty section says if you encourage an illegal to live here and that results in a death then YOU can be executed.

    Under his DACA executive order obozo gave 750,000 illegals a card saying they can live live here in violation of the law. I’m sure some of those people killed someone on the highways.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324

  121. melpol says:
    @Flint Clint

    Most European Jews would rather have been raped by their Nazi guards than gassed or murdered. Many women and children South of the US border are in danger of being starved or murdered. For most, it would be better to be raped in the US than starved or murdered South of the US border. I for one would rather be raped and sodomized rather than beaten to death. A rape or sodomy is for a short time but death is forever. Open the border and let those poor souls save themselves from death. Nothing is worse than being buried 6 feet deep.

  122. @Reality

    “problem is IQ85 will always lag in comparison to IQ100”

    American black IQ is way below 85. Affirmative action scoring is everywhere.

  123. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I tell you what, when you get a clue what the discussion is about I will respond.

    The discussion is about you constantly making excuses for black dysfunction, especially in stupid illogical ways.

  124. @follyofwar

    I agree, but this is Current Year. The little guy has all kinds of new avenues and alleyways from which to fight.

    BTW come to Gab!

    https://gab.com/home

  125. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Flee to Russia or Hungary.
    Quite a few of our traditional Catholic folks are doing so.
    Folks with big families, who’se daughters go overseas to be nannies in Poland, Russia, and Hungary, meet decent, traditional young men, marry, and begin their own families. Then the other american family members follow them. They go native over there easily. Because the greatest cultural component involved is the Faith.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  126. @melpol

    Ah yes, of course. So patriotic of you.

    You’re the real empathetic global citizen. Because you don’t mind population scale rape and sex trafficking because of hypothetical death threats – so tell me, would every single one of those illegal aliens really face a death threat in their home state?

    Child rape is kosher as long as it destroys the American nation. No one else can pay a price too high. And so you acknowledge it.

    So who is doing the raping? I guess it’s just the price you have to pay right, for democracy or Tikkun Olam or some shit? It’s just intrinsic to emigration – couldn’t possibly do anything about it you know, it’s just ‘the world’.

    I think you have it wrong. I think, that some of these children on the Jewish and Democrat and GOPe rape/torture circuit and snuff film sex slavery probably wish that they were dead.

    I also think that it would benefit them if they weren’t sex trafficked – what you think there aren’t fates worth then death? You think all of these kids just end up being the A class sex victims of the higher class Jews like Weinstein and Spielberg?

    What about the white children who are innocent of Jewish filth that they rape? Those 1 million in England for example? Because those aren’t Mexicans – you never responded to that, for some reason. Do those victims of Rotherham who have been gang-raped tortured by those noble brownfolk just seeking a better life get a say in their fate? Or are they just collateral damage? Or are you like Naz Shah and the other pig immigrants who say anyone who seeks basic justice should be arrested for white supremacy and that mass gang rape is just ‘Asian culture’.

    I think many of the children who were victims of the Finders, or the Franklin affair, or McMartin Pre-school and these massive Pizza networks of the Jews and secret societies and deep state in the West wish they were dead.

    There are 420 million people in South America.

    Probably about 400million of them want to emigrate to the United States for purely economic reasons.

    What is the solution?

    I think Israel. Israel is such a wonderful country, with high technology, LGBT friendly. multicultural – the neo-Palestinians couldn’t possibly turn down an opportunity to engage in Tikkun Olam.

    And of course – these victims of Jewish neoliberal and deep state regime change and population disruption need safe harbour right – so send them to the Middle East. The Saudis, Qataris, Israeli’s have huge funds and generosity.

    But wait.

    If they’re being raped and sodomized and beaten to death, who is doing this? Themselves. Ah, but people who are of the same genetics actually ‘lower’ crime in the United States, when they have to escape themselves.

    What political system are they escaping from? Exactly the same one they want to impose by force on Americans.

    No, I think not.

    I think these millions of children being raped should actually be saved from that rape, by a militarised border comprised of an American nation only military and a wall which stops the child trafficking, drug trafficking, and adult sex trafficking.

    Say, whatever happened to that oil liner owned by J P Morgan with $1.5billion of cocaine stowed on board?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-seizes-msc-container-ship-after-record-drug-bust-11562685623

    Who is the CEO of JP Morgan? Jamie Dimon – Crypto Jew married to a Jewish woman. Because, always.

    Why was there $1.5billion of cocaine on a modern and supposedly conventional liner owned by one of the major banks?

    Whatever happened? Anything?

    What stage are we at in Hillaire Bellocs’ matrix? I think things are advancing aren’t they. Which is unfortunate, because the whole world can just emigrate to Israel.

    • Replies: @melpol
  127. Bubba says:
    @MarkinLA

    And I still find it amazing that Eliot Spitzer got a gig at CNN after all the federal laws he broke for prostitution (he wasn’t just picking up an occasional street hooker or using an “elite service”).

    And his Wikipedia page is a puff piece. Shocking.

  128. “The discussion is about you constantly making excuses for black dysfunction, especially in stupid illogical ways.”

    No. The discussion is essentially about what constitutes nationalism and its advocacy. My responses are to the nature of of what that means as suggested by others to skin color.

    There is no question that en masse oppression has consequences one of those consequences has been that blacks actually natural allies of national ethos were actually pushed into the arms of the democratic progressive ideologies by the same.

    My responses are in direct response to segregationist policies which I simply accept as a potential means of national organization — and that said separation must be equal. That’s it. I have not ventured very deeply into the implications of that supposed “oppression” . I am however willing to acknowledge it exists and it has consequences.

    Now if you want to ignore history and discuss the status quo. As is the case — then the discussion is about nationalism. And that contentions that said nationalism is by definition predicated on “whiteness” then it’s a very tough case to make.

    You might want to actually follow the discussion’s trajectory as opposed to interjection tangential issues and then complaining when they are addressed.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  129. anaccount says:

    The amount of concerned cucks and jews in this comment section makes me feel great. Every day more white men are waking up, slowly but surely.

    The known cannot be unknown.

    • Replies: @Anon
  130. Blip Blop says:

    Conservative Inc’s response reeks of desperation. Watch how they recoil… “I’ve been found out.”

  131. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    There is no question that en masse oppression has consequences one of those consequences has been that blacks actually natural allies of national ethos were actually pushed into the arms of the democratic progressive ideologies by the same.

    Now you are even more illogical. The republicans more than the democrats supported integrationist policies. However, the democrats got all the credit to the tune of 95% voting. Naturally, there is going to be some counter to irrational block voting by another group. Throw in the Hispanics and Asians at 70% with ever increasing immigration to drown out whites and people are going to call for some form of segregation. You have cause and effect backwards.

  132. “Now you are even more illogical. The republicans more than the democrats supported integrationist policies.”

    I am going to be kind here. The question of oppression is settled. That is not the core the issue. The core issue is whether

    “color politics”

    has any long term benefit to the US nationalist advocacy. I have repeatedly acknowledged that it does when it comes to elections that such advocacy does have positive impact — but that is waning. And the use of that polity was never a wise choice in the first place. And I think my view held since I first voted is being vindicated.

    And that anyone who is a nationalist still cleaves to some

    white” equals nationality is ignoring the obvious — the evidence is against you. As there are millions of people who are not white who embrace this nation even unto death and seek to protect its sovereignty.

    No. The democrats get credit to at least paying lip service to the issues and more importantly, they aren’t constantly leveraging said people to negative stead. look no one no matter enjoys constant disparagement and if that is your only card —

    I have news for you many of them are going to vote for the other guy. And the utter self destructive assail of referencing “jim crow” or anything similar to joke about a long term devastating policy.

    Get a handle on the issues. It’s not about “old oppression” its about failure to grasp the impact in a political arena, even if you miss the real world implications.

    Here’s another way to look at it.

    It’s Sec. Hillary Clinton, calling potential voters

    “deplorables”

    they will be deplorable as someone else’s constituency.

    And if you continue to falsely accuse them, and use every tool in the book to do so — you end up with 40 million supporters of your opposition, even they don’t approve of their positions.

  133. There are so many valid arguments and useful positions regarding a nationalist agenda that are in my view well established.

    And then there is that troublesome and self destructive posturing about color.

  134. Laughing.

    look what importing Russians and Ukrainians has done to US foreign policy. Political machinations of the old world still tripping up the new and sapping blood and treasure.

    Look at the mess — on foreign policy — its all white people beating up on each other even at the expense of national sovereignty, economic and security.

  135. melpol says:
    @Flint Clint

    Those who want the wall built are not concerned with the entrance of Rapists, Molesters, Pimps, drug traffickers, or assorted criminals. Drug traffickers and Pimps cross the border easily finding Whites willing to pay big bucks for Sissy boys or Heroin. Wall building cheer leaders are Racists who find that newcomers with brown skin are obnoxious low paid sub-humans laborers. None care about the millions of Iraqi, and Afghanistan children bombed to death or are homeless. Follow the money and you will find the ugly truth.

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Anon
  136. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    Wall building cheer leaders are Racists who find that newcomers with brown skin are obnoxious low paid sub-humans laborers.

    Strip your comment of the emotional and rhetorically useless poison pill (sub-human) and you have part of a point, but there is nothing wrong with the sentiment that point addresses. If anything, it doesn’t go far enough.

    Everyone needs cultural and political space. Without cultural space, your culture and its population source are harmed or destroyed. Without political space, a group has no self determination and the encroaching group inevitably tries to exploit you or worse.

    There is nothing wrong with keeping groups out of a geographic territory. Any protest of that fact is pure self-interest in a manner that mandates population movements and a type of imperialism. For what? There is no magic dirt.

    Mexicans want to be here to be close to White people, because they have many things to gain by that proximity that they could not create without it. Which makes their presence a bad deal for White people. This situation is not that hard to understand or to express more accurately than you did.

    • Replies: @melpol
  137. Anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @anaccount

    The amount of concerned cucks and jews in this comment section makes me feel great. Every day more white men are waking up, slowly but surely.

    To that fact that listening to uppity Bedouins, let alone giving them a place in civilization, is pure poison.

  138. melpol says:
    @Anon

    You state that Mexicans come to the US because they want to be close to White People. But Mexicans come here because White People want to be close to Mexicans. Whites in the US hunt for Mexicans in the Barrio. They need them for cheap labor, drugs, or taboo sex. Both need each other. Often I visit the Barrio searching for a Mexican to mow my lawn or to clean my residence for cheap. No Mexican ever comes to me searching for a White person. Both are complimentary sides of the same coin.

    • Replies: @Anon
  139. ” Drug traffickers and Pimps cross the border easily finding Whites willing to pay big bucks for Sissy boys or Heroin. Wall building cheer leaders are Racists who find that newcomers with brown skin are obnoxious low paid sub-humans laborers. None care about the millions of Iraqi, and Afghanistan children bombed to death or are homeless. Follow the money and you will find the ugly truth.”

    Your chrystal ball needs cleaning, so I will bite at this nonsense.

    The wall serves two purposes one as physical deterrent and the other as symbolic of boundaries.

    1. If you think the wall doesn’t work as deterrent go speak to the instructors, staff and students at El Paso College that sits on the border. And you will get an earful of what life was like before they put up wall. I don’t have to care about yada yada yada in order to grasp the value of physical barriers that will deter ne’re do wells – regardless of the ne’re do welling they intend. Whether someone who is a citizen that advocates a border wall is “racist” is really a non-issue. If you are here illegally — you are here in violation of the law and that someone who is racist opposes that violation — is of little consequence to one simple fact. A persona has committed a felony and is about undermining the citizens of the US of both wealth and their rights.

    2. Sovereignty and clear indicators of the same have value for that intrinsic purpose. The essential vitality of personhood is the ability to establish and maintain a unique identity. Hence, why people whether clothes, lock their doors, own homes or rent spaces for them selves unto themselves — national identity operates in the same way. Ans it’s why most of us are none to kind to come home to find uninvited guests in our refrigerators.
    —————————————————

    On the matter oi private space and identity — racist or not the concept of fences as borders is a universal principle and why US citizens are barred from owning property in Mexico, last I heard. They have no intention of making the mistake they made in 1835 and 1836 and are heck bent on getting it back. And I for one am not inclined that 15 million dollar purchase slip from the US ownership, even if you are.

    As for the rest, and every single one of those countries would they had a stronger defense to protect their sovereign space. Even tanks hate the right walls placed in front of them. batter walls/barriers would have made those tanks better targets.

    • Replies: @melpol
  140. @Anonymous

    That was one hell of a good comment, # 291! A simple [Agree] wouldn’t do here. (About my only quibble is that the moratorium had better be something closer to a century for the US to have ANY chance of being unified again, such as after the 1924 – 1965 one, with maybe 50,000 people or fewer allowed to immigrate yearly.)

    Thank you for writing what has taken Peak Stupidity damn near 200 posts to write! (That shouldn’t stop anyone from reading them, of course – scroll down on that link.)

  141. @Twodees Partain

    Great comment, Mr. Partain! I have written about the young people with nothing to lose before many times – it’s even “better” for them now, as they really don’t have as many life options compared to the last bunch of generations anyway. All it takes is some big numbers, and these things cascade. The more fellow Groypers (or whatever-the-hell they want to call themselves) there are, the less courage it takes for others to join up.

    Remember young people: They can’t arrest all of you! They can’t get all of you fired (especially considering many of you don’t have jobs)! “Sticks and stones …”

    As for the old people, most are free to speak their minds. That’s a big plus. I’d like to repeat and expand on this comment on my site, if you don’t mind, T.P.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  142. melpol says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Border walls do more than mark property rights. They send a signal that outsiders are not welcome without permission. The reason millions of Mexican immigrants come to the USA is because there is a hidden welcoming sign that give them permission to enter. Putting up a wall is disrespecting the welcoming voice of most of the Southwest USA population. If Mexicans were not wanted they would stop coming in. The wall would then not be needed.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  143. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    You’re hilarious.

    You say that a wall is just racist, and nothing to do with illicit trafficking. Then almost straight afterwards you refer to drug trafficking, sex trafficking and illegal labour in Mexico.

    That’s why we need a wall, and mass repatriations. To stop precisely that. No, they don’t both need each other. Mexicans aren’t American, and never will be American.

    This is one reason why Mexicans aren’t wanted in the United States: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fbi-investigating-sheriff-20190711-story.html

    Just completely destroying the Police force with racially modulated gang activities. Who believes they’re ever going to enforce the law impartially? You ring the Police because some Latino ese gang banging retard is in there raping your kids, and then another Latino ese gang banger turns up in a police car and joins in.

    You’re a daft idiot. Practically in the same breath as your dumb denial, you admit exactly what I was saying.

    Mexicans do come searching for white people – ThAtS WhY tHeY LeAvE MeXiCo

    It’s very simple.

    Anyone who opposes the wall is a pedophile enabler, and a pedophile supporter. End of effing story. If there was a wall, millions and millions of children and women wouldn’t be getting raped. Period.

    “Drug traffickers and Pimps cross the border easily finding Whites willing to pay big bucks for Sissy boys or Heroin”

    Because there isn’t a wall, you mongoloid. Which is exactly what I was saying.

    Well it’s good to know you’re a pedophile supporter.

    “None care about the millions of Iraqi, and Afghanistan children bombed to death or are homeless. Follow the money and you will find the ugly truth.”

    Practically everyone cares. No one wants to go to war with Iran for Jews precisely because of that, and that’s why Nationalists want to bring the troops home.

    Yes of course – the money ends up with the neoliberals and the Deep State using the US military to facilitate trafficking – that’s why they’re also opposed to the wall, like you, idiot. You’re so incoherent you align yourself with the people you say you oppose.

    And yes, most of these immigrants are incredibly obnoxious, like the ones who are destroying the LAPD, just like they destroy everywhere they touch.

    Ron Unz doesn’t agree with me on this one, but I suspect he’s going to come around as more truth comes to light.

    Los Angeles didn’t have open typhus, feces and rutting in the Streets even with their insane Socialist policies when it was a white state.

    It’s a disgrace.

    Wall opposers are pedophile supporters, and you know what Mexicans do to pedophiles.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  144. @Achmed E. Newman

    Feel free, Mr. Newman. Thanks for the reply, as well.

  145. @Art

    True, Art. I never thought of the Stockholm Syndrome angle before. It applies.

  146. geokat62 says:
    @Anon

    Because there isn’t a wall, you mongoloid.

    Um, I believe Mel(vin) Pol(anski) has already disclosed his ethic background in a previous comment:

    melpol – “I as a Jew am not a Semites but my ancestral home was somewhere in Eurasia. Please stop calling me a Semite, but a Jew with unknown roots.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @melpol
  147. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Whoever that was shouldn’t be so vituperative and polemical. I don’t think it’s convincing.

    But then again, neither is reason, logic and dialectic.

    Melpol I’m sure is a nice person who is well meaning.

    But his incoherence and contradictory views are just exemplary of liberal socialist ideologues today.

    So we can’t have a wall because it’s racist, but also in the exact region it would dissect he admits to a massive problem with drug trafficking, sex trafficking and illegal labour originating from the race it’s racist to criticise, which the wall would solve.

    If he’s Jewish he should listen to Daniel Horowitz on the Mark Levin site. They are real Mensches.

    Hizbollah is actually on the Mexican border.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/21/a-drug-cartel-just-defeated-the-mexican-military-in-battle/

    And the Sinaloa drug cartel just defeated the Mexican military, and Mexico is now in effect like Colombia under the PEPEs and Pablo Escobar. It is a state for the faciliation of the drug, sex and illegal labour trades.

    “Indeed, over the past decade cartels have diversified their economic activities to include everything from oil and gas production to industrial agriculture to offshore commercial fishing.
    In other words, it’s fair to say that Mexico is now on a trajectory to become a vast gangland governed more by warlordism than by the state. The last time this happened was a century ago, during the decade-long Mexican Revolution, which eventually triggered the invasion and occupation of northern Mexico in 1916 by the U.S. Army, including the mobilization of the entire National Guard and a call for volunteers. Before it was over, U.S. forces attacked and occupied Nogales, Sonora, in 1918 and Ciudad Juarez in 1919.”

    Guess what Jew.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2019/11/06/mormon-family-massacre-mexico/

    It’s not acceptable for gang bangers in a failed state to slaughter American families for fun.

    And I am never, ever, ever going to apologise to any pulsating Latinx sweaty criminal rapist for the actions of the United States military to protect Americans from Mexican criminals and warlords. Not today, not historically.

    If the US military still fought for the American nation instead of ZOG I imagine many Mexicans would welcome US military rule over Mexico. The US should have invaded Mexico and replaced Mexicans with Slavs or Celts.

    I think the Federalist is too kind to the Mexican people. If you have had centuries of the same kind of civic dysfunction it starts to become a feature not a bug – I would know, talk to the people of Calabria about dual rule from Rome and the Ndragheta.

    That’s not something the West is used to – we’ve only had that kind of dual rule since 1948 and the formation of the CIA. But it’s more sophisticated then this primitive Mexican style corrupto-oligarchy.

    Not only are wall opposers supporters of pedophilia, they are also supporters of the facilitation of the destruction of the Mexican state, as the Sinaloa drug cartel and other terrorist insurgents running a de facto extra-legal deep state in Mexico are assisted by their logistical freedom for operations.

    What does that mean.

    Well that means people who oppose the wall are traitors, who are happy to see Americans slaughtered, and also racists, happy to see Mexico descend into anarchy & see Mexicans be deprived of the rule of law and liberty, and see 30k and rising murdered every year.

    I hope Fuentes uses this material and says to these traitors like Shapiru the littlest Chickenhawk to their faces that they are pedophile supporters who support the gang rape of millions of women and children, and who support the murder of Americans, and who support the destruction of the Mexican state.

    Because that is what the absence of a wall and free illegal movement of peoples across that border entails.

    Any brown person, any Jew, any neoliberal has to contend with these facts. It’s ridiculous there is a national debate. The Wall should be built already, as Netanyahu said, ‘Wall’s work’. They work for Eretz Israel, they will work for the United States.

    If Boomers want to pay someone a farthing to mow their lawn, the morbidly obese fat pricks can mow their own lawns, and look after their own kids.

  148. “Border walls do more than mark property rights. They send a signal that outsiders are not welcome without permission. ”

    Ohhh you mean by marking property rights in real space.

  149. MarkinLA says:
    @melpol

    That some businesses and deluded SJW types want them here is not a welcome sign by the majority of the people. If you, as a citizen, make any attempt to stop it, even with a perfectly legal citizen’s arrest, you will spend 10 years in a federal prison.

  150. ““Border walls do more than mark property rights. They send a signal that outsiders are not welcome without permission. ”

    You don’t know what you are talking about. The data concerning immigration and US attitudes east north west and south is the country wants better border enforcement. They want it stopped. And they even want less legal immigration —-

    You are wrong in both directions.

  151. melpol says:
    @geokat62

    There never was an attempt by me to hide my racial identity as a Jew. But I find it annoying that Israel lumps all Jews rooted in the ancient Holy Land. My roots were traced somewhere in Eurasia from records of my ancestors.

  152. Good grief,

    your ethnic origins are of no consequence, unless you make it so.

    Either you comprehend the value of protected space or you don’t. Your comments about racism simply don’t make sense to the question. The fact that some number are racists in the US is an issue for the US to wrestle with.

    It hardly makes sense to argue that americans who value their country and seek to protect it are racists and therefore should invite more racists into the country. I am sure my final reference is quandary for you. But I will skip that aside for the moment, suffice it to say that unless you allow me access to your home anytime I want, and eat as i will . . . all attempts by you to prevent me from entering your home

    makes you a racist by your own rationale.

    • Replies: @Tank1488
  153. Tank1488 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You can shove your indoctrinated and petty muh anti-raycissst, muh egalitarianism and anti-White civ nat drivel down your pie hole and die with it.

    The United States of America was founded as and always intended to be a White ethnostate. Immigration of anyone non-European WAS NOT ALLOWED until the Immigration and Nationality act of 1965. The jews played an outsized role in getting this legislation passed and ushering in the genocide of whites in America.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/226113583_Jewish_Involvement_in_Shaping_American_Immigration_Policy_1881-1965_A_Historical_Review

    The Real History of the United States of America
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/07/the-united-states-was-founded-as-a-white-peoples-republic/




    Just because these blacks or any other kind of non whites showed up in our country and stayed here for multiple generations doesn’t mean they are “Americans”.

    Here’s are the undeniable and basic facts.

    AMERICAN = WHITE NATIONALITY/PEOPLE

    WHITE NATIONALISM AND ISOLATIONISM = TRUE AMERICANISM

    WHITE AMERICA = TRUE AND ONLY AMERICA

    The authors of the Constitution never dreamed that non-Europeans would be considered citizens. Had you suggested to them that Africans or Indians be called Americans because a number of them happened to be inside our borders, they would have called you insane.

    The White Race created the United States of America, a country which did not exist as a sovereign entity until 1776, when it fought a war of independence from Britain. The USA came into being out of the original 13 colonies established by White settlers starting with Virginia in 1607 and Massachusetts in 1620. The North American continent may have been inhabited by Indians for thousands of years, but the United States of America was the creation of the White Race alone.

    Deal with the irrefutable truths you indoctrinated and docile muh anti-raycissst and DIEvershitty loving anti-White/American civ nat shithead.

  154. Trump should enforce federal law and throw all the illegals out of our schools. With 10 million illegals in our schools and all of them needing special education that would save $200 billion every year and also prompt many illegal families to leave.

    Section 1324 of title 8 makes it a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here so any school principal that allows illegals to enroll is clearly in violation.

    Some will say that in plyler v doe 1982 the supreme court ordered the states to enroll illegals. Yes they did, but that is writing a law and courts are not allowed to write laws. The very first words of the constitution after the preamble are “All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a congress of the united states”. Trump needs to say that.

  155. Half-Jap says:
    @fatmanscoop

    Most white people over there look less white in skin tone than most japs over here. 😛
    Be that as it may, yes, despite all the effort our govt here trying to get more foreigners here to be residents, most of us do not want that. We only want people who are at least capable as us, and love the culture.
    You guys ought to focus on clarifying and defining your ‘white’ culture, which has brought broad prosperity globally, though to varying degree.

  156. Tank1488 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Muh evil racism. Pffft…… typical docile response from an indoctrinated and delusional basic bitch muh anti-raycissst and DIEvershitty loving shithead.

    There’s really nothing wrong with racism as it is just the natural behavior and default position of humans as the different sub races of the human species will always separate on RACIAL lines and the word “racist” is just a fabricated word by the jewish communist trotsky to discourage and demonize racial solidarity and healthy racial hygiene which is mainly used against WHITE people that want to perserve their nations and cultures from being destroy via miscegenation and multiracialism.
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/05/the-origins-of-the-word-racism/

    Healthy racism is the ability to properly predict wtf is going to happen when you meet people from another tribe or other outsiders. It’s logical that such people will have different interests, behavior patterns, and customs than your own group, and different goals.
    So racism is a safety mechanism for survival.

    Example: You figured out that an asteroid is going to hit the planet in 20 years and wipe out most life, but you also have millions of brown “refugees” wanting to live off your productivity. So, if you’re a racist, you will stop them from entering your country and spend all your productivity to stop this frikkin asteroid from hitting Earth. If you’re a non-racist SJW retard you will want to spend all the productivity of the group to let in migrants from Africa, teach kids in school how to cut off their dicks and become female, …before you get wiped out by the cosmic impact.

    Also, if you’re racist, you will be smart enough not to walk through a Nigger-infested area, especially not after Dark, because you can assume the chance that you get mugged or even murdered is a lot higher there than in a white “hood”.

    Multiracialism is really just retarded and insane.
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-outcome-of-diversity/#comments

    PDF containing over 100 studies documenting the negative effects of racial/ethnic diversity upon societies and individuals (spoiler: it’s terrible in every way imaginable for all races)
    https://files.catbox.moe/su1vjr.pdf

    Time for you to deal with the irrefutable facts of RACIAL REALITY and the failures of multiracialism whether you want to or not you indoctrinated and docile muh anti-raycissst and DIEvershitty loving shithead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Republic
  157. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tank1488

    This is true.

    But vulgar gratutitous racism turns people away from legitimate dialectic.

    The Groypers can’t afford to be crude. Nothing should be colloquial. Just very factual and bold statements of truth without unnecessary invective.

    Otherwise the Conservatives and neoliberals can successfully alienate and isolate and discredit and force disavowals.

    Talk about black crime and black civic destruction and net transfer recipience but don’t use the triggering terms. Talk about white victims and the impossibility of justice etc but don’t allow all the truth to be easily dismissed. It’s speaks for itself. It always speaks for itself.

    The most effective Christian Nationalists like Theodore Beale simply state empirical facts but don’t engage in belittling.

    It’s going to be extremely difficult for most whites to escape their programming, make it easy by adopting a suitable tone.

    It’s easy when you’re immersed to be dismayed and radiate aggression but you need to stay calm and collected.

    Notice how Jews always do this. They very rarely use invective and always use official channels and phraseology. That’s admirable and disciplined.

  158. laughing and then laughing some more. I am unclear how to respond to a commentary that advocates my existence end sooner rather than ;later.

    “You can shove your indoctrinated and petty muh anti-raycissst, muh egalitarianism and anti-White civ nat drivel down your pie hole and die with it.”

    I have no doubt that the the founders would have liked to for the country to be white and soley white, depending what was finally decided as to what white was. There was just one little problem, the country itself was not white. That’s the reality. And since reality mattered to the founders they had to settle for something a little less “dreamy” for something that would make some sense in the real world.

    Which is why neither the Declaration nor the Constitution ventures into into whiteness as a single singular staple. They knew the best they could so was limit the number of non-whites. If you read through the early history of the colonies, there’s another problem with their stated ideal — well several:

    1. those darn white settlers male and female kept falling in love with and marrying people who weren’t white and begetting children. Even when they made ;laws to bar such loving relationships, those darn whites just kept at it.

    2. The country they settled already had a millions of nonwhites. In fact a band of those nonwhites actually had to give agricultural lessons to colonies of whites. I hate to say it but human intermingling is a very tricky issue. And there is some indication that those whites and people of oter colors, eventually — well you know — and begat children.

    3. Based on the record pray tell apparently an entire block of colonists wanted nonwhites as slaves. They even took to harboring on what are called plantations. And based on that record, oddly enough based on the record of those whites living in the south, it appears more than rumor that those same whites who owned slaves and not engaged in relations with those slaves male and wonder of wonders, female and begat children, who because of the one drop rule — were not considered white.

    4. So based on all this intermingling and ‘begatting’ of children among free persons, importing nonwhites for free labor and all of that ‘begatting’ — pray tell not as uncommon as one might like to thinks.

    By the time we get to treason against the country that bore them and protecting them in these lands of millions of nonwhites, there simply was no way to responsibly or ethically say in writing as legal tending — The White US . . . etc.

    It simply was not ethical or mangerially possible. The founders understood — that nationhood in the hopes of white majority would be the best they could do (despite that wole 3/5ths matter). Now I am being generous to you, because in reality there were founders who objected to the whiteness as anything other than — well whiteness.

    And I am further perplexed by anyone who thinks that people who were not white came after . . . as noted in my response above — I can whisper it if you prefer,

    nonwhites were here in millions when the first colonies arrived. And based on the record, those same nonwhites reported trading with blacks before the Spanish arrived as well. So say some records (Dr. Leo Weiner of Harvard University).

    Shhhhhhhhhhh . . . . let’s just keep that our little secret.

    Sure a few whites among all the whites in the country were key architects for our system of governance. But as stated, making it white, a couple of hundred years too late and hundreds of thousands of dollars short.

    Reality makes fools of us all. And unlike many citizens of the US the founders got understood that — and bully for them that they did.

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    , @Tank1488
  159. And I intend to stay alive for quite a while yet. Begging your pardon at rejecting your invitation to my early grave.

  160. For them to state historic is being disingenuous with facts? Let’s look at a gradual progression of the Anglo-Saxons on the North American continent.

    1803-1818 Louisiana Purchase

    1819-1845 Northwest Expansion

    1845-1860 Southwest Expansion

    1898-1945 (Pacific and Caribean expansion)

    To even be consider historical they had have inhabited those areas for hundreds (I emphasize hundreds of years) that is just not the case for such argument to be supported.

    200+ plus years does not provide a substantial argument for historical identity, especially, if it was gradual progression on accumulating and swallowing up territory as it went. For all those in the southwest especially, that complain about immigration, a 100 and some what years (not even fully occupied by the Anglo-Saxon but by Mexicans and other indigenous groups) does not grant you historical inheritance to the land.

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  161. “For all those in the southwest especially, that complain about immigration, a 100 and some what years (not even fully occupied by the Anglo-Saxon but by Mexicans and other indigenous groups) does not grant you historical inheritance to the land.”

    ohh brother,

    first we are talking about territorial identity. But national, they are not the same. One can establish a national identity in a day and for the US that identity is embodied largley in two documents the Declaration and the Constitution. No one has to read the federalist papers to understand citizenship or honor its responsibilities or receive its benefits. In that stead, the progression you are talking about occurred under the auspices of the US — its national identity. Whether that took five minutes or 100 years, that imprint is clear and unmistakable.

    Another huge error, if you are referring to the territorial identity of the the Europeans and others slave or free, that existence goes back as far as the 1500’s , and as consequence helped shape the national identity to come that would be a total of 600 years plus. Which exceeds Mexico formerly a Spanish territory and whose territorial identity is far more convoluted than that even of the US. And a national existence — Oy veh. Get a grip and get a life. Do tell how that Chuapas pacification is going. Or better yet, which native sect comprising Mexican cartels are running the cities and government today — not really a question, as I know that the Mexican, native cartel roullette is hard to follow.

    The identity of a person is not made by territorial acquisition, identity in these cases existent before that progression and developed along with as imposed by the national ethos and Constitutional mandates. it is often referred or thought of as one’s core identity properties.

    “To even be consider historical they had have inhabited those areas for hundreds (I emphasize hundreds of years) that is just not the case for such argument to be supported.”

    You apparently have a Ph.D because clearly you are making this up as you go along. Historical; identity has no place holder, it begins as soon as one’s existence is established and ends when that existence end. There is no 100 year timetable in experience. National identity of the US has foundations before nationhood, but technically starts on two dates either the day of independence or the day of the articles and then fully technically upon adoption of the US Constitution. Now if you want to complain about the “right of conquest doctrine” or practice of expansion, but this one must exist for 100 years or more to have a national or even a territorial identity — nonsense.

    Hint, Mexicans are not indigenous to anything, they are a very mixed blood. But the power association here is Spain, they by right of conquest managed that territory as their own. And when the mixed blood crew got fed up with Spain they asked the US for help to give them the boot and we did so. Which again upends your nonsensical Mexican ownership proposition as a national standard.

    On the North American Continent there were several players:

    British
    French
    Spanish
    Russian
    and a few others.

    But all of them for better or worse were predominantly white in tone — not completely, but you get the point.

    An other little glitch in your play here — Spain, in that day are anglos I still that is the case — they are Europeans.
    ——————————–

    Given your liquid view of history and its meanings to identity — build that dog gone wall already.

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  162. Tank1488 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Rolls eyes…… yet more cognitive dissonance and docile fabricated anti-White/American drivel from the hopelessly indoctrinated and delusional muh anti-raycisst and muh egalitarianism lemming shithead that can’t face the irrefutable truths of America was and as always founded and intended to be a WHITE racial state as evident of the drafting of the first act of Congress which was the NATURALIZATION ACT OF ACT OF 1790 which only grants citizenship to free WHITE persons of good character and the failures of multiracialism.

    Swine like you deserve the bullet in RAHOWA which is increasingly going to become reality in the foreseeable near future :^)

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  163. Tank1488 says:
    @Truthsayer

    You can just shove your petty and docile muh anti-raycissst, DIEvershitty loving and anti-White drivel down your pie hole and die with it.

  164. Whitewolf says:
    @Anonymous

    The main motivation Groypers have to stop immigration is maintaining the white majority, but they won’t admit this publicly because of bad optics.

    If this is the main motivation, what are other groups supposed to think? They are going to think these white people want to maintain power to dictate terms on everyone else and they would be right.

    Maybe Whites just want to live in a society surrounded by their fellow Whites. No one thinks badly of Asian or African countries that want to remain racially/ethnically homogenous. No one should. Neither should they think badly of White countries that want to stay racially/ethnically homogeneous.

    Why would any group in power want to lose power? Why would a racially homogenous country want to be flooded by foreigners and become a minority in their own country? Would you want you and your family to become a minority in your own house? If not then why?

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  165. @Whitewolf

    Then you should have stayed home and not sought empire. No going back tho. Innocents blood has been spilled and forever tied to you.

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  166. @EliteCommInc.

    Oh brother another revisionist schmuck. I choose to not use National Identity, because in the states it just doesn’t really exist. The states is not a country absorbs other nationalities (or even craft it’s own culture). The only identity binding factor is Hollywood and mind ortiented for exceptionalism for like minded sh muck like you. Russia for example is an actual Multi Cultural nation unlike the consumptions based link that binds most in the states together. And don’t blah about freed and democracy because the veil has fallen fo that charade. A 100 years does not crate a print, just like at Society in the states today, there’s no collective agreement or ideal (aside from Nazi Schmucks screaming build the wall and hate everything not like them [whatever that is since not long whites hatred whites from other nationalities go figure LOL])

    You must posses a PhD yourself for asserting what’s nonsense or not; isn’t that right my revisionist friend?

    Right to conquest sure, it’s there, but then the thing is everything has an effect, and that effect is the one you imperial shills complain about. That’s why you love attacking defenseless nations and especially civilians, because when it comes down to fighting battle harden soldiers you despair, get your asees handed to you, and then take it out on civilians (especially the woman and children). It’s a shame the house of cars is coming down so quickly compared to other empires but the hubris was just too great. Oh, well. Enjoy the ride. Please build the wall and stay there let the world transpire in peace, but unfortunately to maintain your 3 fast food meals a day your MiC and IMF need to subside your life and then plena back home by maintaining the world on a stranglehold. You can’t have both “bro”

  167. @Tank1488

    Keep believing that on the ride to irrelevance NaZI Schmuck.

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  168. @Anonymous

    Thank you for this info.

    Abandoning my homeland because shabbos fags won’t enforce our laws?

    The whole thing smacks of effort.

  169. @Anonymous

    White people built the USA for white people. We have every right to decide to keep it for ourselves.

  170. “Rolls eyes…… yet more cognitive dissonance and docile fabricated anti-White/American drivel from the hopelessly indoctrinated and delusional muh anti-raycisst and muh egalitarianism lemming shithead that can’t face the irrefutable truths of America was and as always founded and intended to be a WHITE racial state as evident of the drafting of the first act of Congress which was the NATURALIZATION ACT OF ACT OF 1790 which only grants citizenship to free WHITE persons of good character and the failures of multiracialism”

    Laughing

    I am way ahead of you. As I noted, the colonies made laws against against mesigenation, even before there was a country. And sure, laws and edicts to prevent people of other colors, to maintain a white majority and I have already addressed this. But what they don’t engage in expulsion of people of color who are part of the community. There was clearly segregation, no doubt, Yet oddly enough even during the revolution, nonwhites fought for and against the revolution. As I noted in my comments, I acknowledged what they desired and engaged in attempting to limit the demographic shift — but whiteness alone was never going to be a reality.

    And in keeping with that reality of nonwhites already part of the country’s contingent/demographic, an all white country was never a reality. Look, you are arguing from some white ideal, most of the founders had that ideal but knew it would not be a reality. I don’t dispute that many had that desire, nor do my comments reject that our country early adopted laws and practices to maintain a white majority and throughout it history engaged in all manner of tactics to marginalize, discourage nonwhites and protect the white majority — why you continue raise something that is not in dispute is interesting. Pres. Jackson expelled the Cherokee nation — who had conformed in a every way —

    But two documents we hold as core, don’t include such language — even Pres Jefferson new — that at the end of the day — whiteness as standard would not hold. White skin, black skin, purple skin, orange hair, saffron eyes simply matters not a twiddle to national ownership. And over time, most whites have grasped that reality.

    Well, I cannot prevent every attack on my life, but I will do my best. I am doing to take your comment as jest frustrated by reality, just as Miss Coulter’s desire to see a justice murdered was more frustration than intent. But I can guarantee you this, language in public forums are not likely to to win over even whites to a nationalist pose. Some maybe, buy not many.

    Sadly, I have no doubt that plenty of people on this sight and TAC would love to see my demise by bullet and other means. As my failure to be reigned into white or black demands of some peculiar identity schemes both subtle and overt remain tough sells. lots of people simmer underneath at some of my views, and I am certainly willing to acknowledge if I have made a data error. But what i don’t do is fold like a cheap soup because people hate me. Departments heads, chairs, instructors, facilitation colleagues, school presidents have all been happy to engage in anything and i mean near anything to express their dislike for me and what i think. I am not alone in that – laugh. Suffice it to say, it is unlikely i will give them another opportunity to run over me with vehicles, twice was enough. Laugh.

    And you have that constitutional right – one I fully support. But if your hate is such that you begin entertaining thoughts of how your target should be dispatched —and it based on

    “freedom of speech” or “association”

    (remember I have already acknowledged the founder, some anyway sought to limit non-whites)

    I think you undermine your own case.

    Now about this reality hurdle you so desire to avoid . . . .

  171. Tank1488 says:
    @Truthsayer

    LOL whine some more anti-White swine 🤣

  172. Goodness me oh my,

    “Oh brother another revisionist schmuck. I choose to not use National Identity, because in the states it just doesn’t really exist. The states is not a country absorbs other nationalities (or even craft it’s own culture). The only identity binding factor is Hollywood and mind ortiented for exceptionalism . . .”

    I think you’ll have to take your argument up with the founders you like to acknowledge. They clearly intended and put down in writing a document forging a national identity. And every state has used its principles in full since it was writing. Most citizens in the US refer to it as the US Constitution, it governs very specific territorial boundaries. And while I think the records on national and state loyalty crushes your advance. Loyalties are a matter of choice. But I would head to many states and start telling their populations that their loyalty to said state is a load of “malarky”. And as i am not talking about state identity, i will eschew any further response. Laughing as my conservative posturing is persona non grata . . . it’s a safe bet that they too would lobe to see people such as myself come to an early end.

    —————————————-

    “That’s why you love attacking defenseless nations and especially civilians, because when it comes down to fighting battle harden soldiers you despair, get your asees handed to you, and then take it out on civilians (especially the woman and children). ”

    I personally don’t support attacking anyone, unless they pose a threat to the US. Buy of this I am confident. The US is more than capable of raking any adversary and should that day come , the US fighting man is going to prove a more than deadly foe, for those who make that choice. And the people of the US are going to bind to support their defense to that end — and the end will not be the US of America, not today, not tomorrow and if we play our cards right — not ever, until the eternal on returns.

    And I do think the US has been experiencing low kevel warfare from Mexico and oursouthern borders.

    ————————

    I should note that my previous references to spies from Mexico, Cuba and elsewhere were reminders from the latest book by Malcolm Gladwell, though I suspect, its impact on me was not what was intended.

    I think we have come full circle and as such a lack of response from me will be an indication of that — probably not for want or ability to respond.

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  173. Republic says:
    @Tank1488

    an abstract from that study detailing the negative effects of racial and ethnic diversity:

    __________________________________________________________________________________
    This document is a comprehensive index of studies, both historic and contemporary, detailing
    the negative effects of racial and ethnic diversity. The authors of these studies hold a wide range
    of political beliefs, though, pro-diversity/globalism, pro-left-wing/liberal are the most common
    among them. This data statistically validates, beyond all reasonable doubt, the theory that racial
    and ethnic diversity is overwhelmingly negative. Diversity is colossally detrimental to individuals
    and society alike, in almost every conceivable way: physical and mental health, social cohesion,
    violence, trust, criminality, etc. The more diverse a society is, the more pronounced and severe
    these negative effects are, however, even small amounts of racial or ethnic diversity are enough
    to cause a quantifiable negative impact. Individuals of every race fare worse within racially and
    ethnically heterogeneous societies, though racial heterogeneity has a greater negative impact
    than ethnic heterogeneity (when the ethnically heterogeneous society is mono-racial).
    __________________________________________________________________________________

  174. War for the future of America? Because the national culture is shifting away from xenophobia and “white” supremacy? You snowflakes need to chill tf out, you’re not special quit crying all the gd time

  175. Correction:

    “But I would not head to many states and start telling their populations that their loyalty to said state is a load of “malarky”.”

    In response to the abstract: An old hat trick. My comments are specifically to skin color and nationality. Skin color, especially for blacks in the US harbors no unique cultural practices. The blacks in New York City have cultures unique to them and not known or practiced among blacks in Saint Louis. Their union is on nationality. Nothing in my comments goes to advance that the people in New York City have to abide by the practices and beliefs of the people of Philadelphia. What they hold together in bond as common trust is a national identity.

    I among others support a national language, which despite varying dialects and affectations crosses cultural esthetics.

    And in keeping with that advance, I would cite this very interesting historical fact,

    Irish, Poles, Brits, Welsh, Italians, French, Belgians, Norwegians, Danes, Germans, Fins, Portuguese and a host of other whites all managed to be US citizens despite the factors most relevant to the abstract brought to the fore, ie,: religious differences, ethical difference, social and behavioral differences, and even language, to name a few unique actual cultural identifiers and manged to forge a country. All of those factors more pronounced and impactful than skin color a benign trait that on its own — holds no cultural significance.

    That such meshes are rife with problems is neither new or unique, the historical record bares that out. But apparently said differences were not enough to break bond save one —- And of those people, by the time the state of freedom occurred, the only nation,

    get that the only nation most of them new was the US. Unlike all others few if any had any links to past country’s: politics, religions, customs, languages etc. What was forged was forged in the US and a compilation of societies many of which no longer existed or so fragmented that as entity gone.

    Here’s what will make spin your top. The truest US citizen are the blacks who come out slavery who know nothing except – these US. Not even the founders with long ties to British and other European societies can make that boast.

    This is tough to admit, but the real test of the Constitution and all that it invites grounded in the Declaration is the history of a people once

    slave in a free land now free in a free land and access to the principles of foundation and the guiding document as legal nationhood. Careful here — I am not talking about black history. I am talking about the history of blacks as US citizens as their ground zero. Free blacks could make that claim as well, but that of freed slaves — is the test. Not even native americans could make that claim and I doubt many would even want to.

    Black skin has no unique cultural attribute on its own save what is forged in the US as US citizens.

    ————————————

    As for the abstract there’s no question that cultural differences might be hurdles to intermingling — seems a rather obvious truth. How much would vary. I am sure black jews, black catholics, black protestants, black mulisms, and black mormons would have differences of opinion over how a community would operate if cobbled together. But their black skin would not be a factor as it hold no cultural uniqueness that’s biology. And the evidence is overwhelming in that whites of varying practices had issues of conflict in cobbling together a single community.

    Note: no one if forcing you to be a US citizen, if you don’t like blacks, whites, browns, greens or orange looking people and want to live a country without them . . . there are countries who would be happy to have you. But the argument that black skin is to nationality as german is to Italian is simply unsupported by the actual history.

    Now if you so choose you can certainly advance a case for a constitutional amendment to eliminate all other colors from citizenship except white. Laugh. I keep imagining the debates over who is white and how many more drops will be added to qualify.

    Laughing . . . excuse the add on or not.

    In my view the circle is complete, i will endeavour to exercise restraint.

  176. @EliteCommInc.

    “I think you’ll have to take your argument up with the founders you like to acknowledge. They clearly intended and put down in writing a document forging a national identity. And every state has used its principles in full since it was writing. Most citizens in the US refer to it as the US Constitution, it governs very specific territorial boundaries. And while I think the records on national and state loyalty crushes your advance. Loyalties are a matter of choice. But I would head to many states and start telling their populations that their loyalty to said state is a load of “malarky”. And as i am not talking about state identity, i will eschew any further response. Laughing as my conservative posturing is persona non grata . . . it’s a safe bet that they too would lobe to see people such as myself come to an early end.”

    1) A legal binding document does not stimulate a national identity. The Constitution is indeed the law binding document within the states that stipulates how everything should be and acted on (much like how the 10 commandments and bible states how you should behave and act), but crafting a national identity requires more than versing ‘rights’, ‘freedoms’, or ‘laws’. National identity is build on a cultural manifestation stemming from the interaction of people and historical remembrance of events and occurrences, that come from tradition, conceived and constructed, by centuries of communal interaction and practice. Again, 200+ years (which does not even engulf each single state and their inhabitants in union for the total 200+ years [only the 13 original colonies can claim the 200+ years], but less) does not provide that; one does not not have look that hard to arrive at that conclusion by just looking around. Territorial boundaries are observed as such because of the absorption of boundaries by the US government, that possessed the mercenary (sorry) military arm to enforce and seethed it onto the populations that came along with annexation. The individual state question, at least here in the states, place a predominant role, because people from one states hate the people of another because of their political orientation and other orientations said state disagrees and can’t associate with. The only thing in common most United Statetians share is a cry and support for war when everyone is put in a frenzy (explains the number of false flags and reports the states has become a master of perfecting through its short existence). Conservatism has many dimensions in theory (I can even take many dimensions of it and identify with them), but the xenophobia that has gripped not only conservative political groups, but religious groups (pseudo Christians are a myriad) that support it is audacious (one practice contradicts the other).

    “I personally don’t support attacking anyone, unless they pose a threat to the US. Buy of this I am confident. The US is more than capable of raking any adversary and should that day come , the US fighting man is going to prove a more than deadly foe, for those who make that choice. And the people of the US are going to bind to support their defense to that end — and the end will not be the US of America, not today, not tomorrow and if we play our cards right — not ever, until the eternal on returns.”

    Pose a threat? Mostly every coup in history from the onset of WWII has been orchestrated by the criminal cabal in Washington DC and supported by ignorant bliss of the population that permits it. Many national leaders that seek the well being of their countries have been disposed because they pose a threat to American Corporations and subsequently the dominance of the Dollar in global markets. Resources are shipped of from the global south and onto the hands of the wealthy corporations by the blessing of the IMF and the corrupt installed comprador elites that sell of their countries. I’m sure certain US soldiers have individual merits that merit respect for individual grit and perseverance. However, as a whole and as history will prove, when MIC gains control everything goes to shit. At home, possibly your comment could stand, after all defense is the best offence, but in the case of the states, belligerence is met with resistance especially by countries capable of decimating the states asymmetrically and conventionally (nuclear is not being consider here). Explains why the states has the cowardly practice of destabilizing sovereign countries before sending in its planes, then troops. Much like the police gangsters within the country, a love for shooting and killing unarmed civilians is ubiquitous. Again, your statement involves the victim card, when in reality you (the states) are the victimizer, the judge, and the executioner. Concerning the end of the entity known as the US of A, may never come to an end, but he US of A as you know it will. Not because once wishes for it, but because history does justice to the unjust and their hubris. No country, regardless of how exceptional it may believe itself to be, escapes the Lords judgement (none). I know many xenophobes like to believe ‘white jesus’ favors them and the like, but the Lord does not prescribe himself to such ideals and ignorance. Credence belongs to those left out of the history books whose combine effort and ingenuity brought upon much of what we have today, but xenophobes had to take credit for it, because revisionism is just that: re-writing reality.

  177. @OscarWildeLoveChild

    The last funny North American show I remember was The Kids in the Hall.

  178. @melpol

    Most European Jews would rather have been raped by their Nazi guards than gassed or murdered.
    ————————————————
    @melpol
    You are so full of [email protected] it is pouring out of your mouth.
    Take your HoloHaux progaganda back to Tel Aviv you Khazar liar.

    What is it with Jews and their penchant for Sodomy?
    Fecal fascination = death cult mentality?
    Do your parents smear you guys with feces as part of your toilet training?
    What’s the deal?
    Forget I asked. Just [email protected] off with your lies.

  179. @Flint Clint

    Jews are simply incredible in their ability to weave and accumulate the world, like the elements of Kabbalah they seem able to simply move in a different reality.

    Their “reality” is the same as the late WWE wrestler Eddie Guerrero. “I lie, I cheat, I steal, for La Raza” (or in this case La Matzoh.)

  180. Whitewolf says:
    @Truthsayer

    Then you should have stayed home and not sought empire. No going back tho. Innocents blood has been spilled and forever tied to you.

    Yeah only White people have sought empire and conquest. Only White people have started wars. The blood of all innocents is on Whites!!! For these original sins all White countries must be flooded with non-Whites and be forcefully integrated with Whites. The final solution to the White problem. Oh hang on we can’t call it that. That sounds too genocidal. Let’s call it diversity.

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    , @Anon
  181. Whitewolf says:
    @Anonymous

    Sure non-Whites are right to oppose White nationalism/supremacy. Whites are right to oppose non-White immigration for the same reasons. Giving away your power and country to a foreign race is silly. Imagining non-Whites to be somehow more virtuous than Whites is even more silly.

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  182. @Whitewolf

    Present-tense, yes it is your fault the world is shaped the way it is, is it not you poor thing…you don’t want none Whites but sure love taking their resources (oh wait, you’re a victim so that can’t possibly be true, now can it?). You don’t want to be pointed out as the issue yet the global system is controlled by you, but you’re not the problem right. Oh bohoo, I forgot you’re the victim not the victimizer. You’re the exploited one, not the exploiter. You’re the one that will come on these boards and spill their xenophobic Schmuck, complain about your Zionist overlords and then be the revisionist fool that’ll say godly play we are being abused….smh. If you want the wall, please build it and bring the rest of those baby murdering Imperial schmucks back home so the world can develop in peace…. oh wait, you can’t, because then you’re very standard of living would be depleted if people don’t trade in your worth less currency, so guess what buddy: deal with the effects of it. The world is tired of your cancer, but can we do? Where democracy bombs loom overhead and Uncle Sam can print all it wants to pay off the corrupt cabal that runs under it. Cry me a river.

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    , @Anon
  183. This place is a burning ship as others have lamented. The only solution is to divide states up based on ideology. One side can continue down the Marxist path, the other side would be the opposite of that.

    What I always find super interesting is the following. Rabid left-wing radio/TV hosts, when confronted with the idea of splitting constituencies, rural and urban, will screech NO WAY! I’ve seen this more than once, both from Jews.

    I don’t understand this. (well, I do, they need $$ from outstate to support the welfare shitshow)

    They hate the “stupid” white goyim with a fevered passion. Especially the white Christian “uneducated” farmers (bigots to them). So, why in the flying fuck do these creepy Jews want these “horrible” people anywhere around them? Normal logic would have them saying YES! Get the fuck out of here you white hateful bigot nazi goyim, etc, etc. But, no. The freak Marxists WANT these people in their web, under their control. It’s fucking WEIRD.

    Anywho, good luck, frog.

  184. “1) A legal binding document does not stimulate a national identity. The Constitution is indeed the law binding document within the states that stipulates how everything should be and acted on (much like how the 10 commandments and bible states how you should behave and act) . . .”

    Laughing. In otherwords nationalism recognizes a people’s support for the legal existence among other nationalities not their own and legal entity acknowledges and supports their own legal essence, codified by tangible boundaries, within which people of said nation share a common cause to maintain that nationality, inspite of common or uncommon experiences and traditions.

    Common practices outside of those legal boundaries and legal definitions does not a national identity make. What toy describe minus that legal tendering — is cross culturalism and even universalism. They are not the same nor is what you describe the formal understanding of legal defined nation state nationalism. It is many things, but not nationalism. A people of a single nation may have cultural differences, but are committed to a single nation they hold sovereign from others.

    What I suppose is

    2) “Pose a threat? Mostly every coup in history from the onset of WWII has been orchestrated by the criminal cabal in Washington DC and supported by ignorant bliss of the population that permits it . . .”

    You are dancing outside the lines.

    a. I support the right of the US to defend herself — and I think should she come under attack, she would so so very effectively.
    b. whether and how the conflicts developed since WWII is another issue not relevant to the discussion regarding US sovereignty and the protection thereof.
    c. I am not disposed to support something as speculative and unsupportable as jesus being white or christianity being a white religion — nothing in scripture supports it.
    d. I think the US does not to clean up its act regarding the use of force. Again US citizens are capable for managing that if they choose. my play our cards right . . .

    ———————-
    Again full circle here

    • Replies: @Anon
  185. Darn it . . . laughing . . .

    State loyalty is predicated on on the leagal documents, processes that encompass an individual state , again people within a state may have individualized customs and practices , bu their bond in terms of state is to that entity. The customs and practices that encompass and maintain that entity are shared amongst its members, which may or may not include localized customs and practices.

    You are welcome to tell a Nebraska Cornhuskers he is really an Iowa State Buckeye because corn is a major agricultural staple in Iowa and Nebrasks . . . but upon doing so you might find yourself in a bit of bother by as A cornhusker is not a buckeye and no self respecting buckeye would be caught dead even waving at a Cornhusker and vice versa — though cornhusking they both practice.

    Similar customs does not alone a nation or a state make.

  186. Ace says:
    @Anonymous

    To follow in the footsteps of @bomag and @c matt, what is so great about whites being ruled by blacks, Muslims, Jews, and Hispanics?

  187. Ace says:
    @jack daniels

    The great Frans Timmermans — diversity as the destiny of mankind. One and a half minutes of the purest, most distilled ruling class malevolence and lunacy.

    One giant glop of culture, religion, race, and sexual confusion. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

    No reason ever given for this. Just ipse dixit. Millenia of human experience? Mere wind.

  188. awry says:
    @miss marple

    The “racism” is really about low-IQ and high-crime, violence-prone blacks and browns/mestizos, not about “Nordic supremacism” or some bullshit, at least for the majority on the so-called “far right” (using the term according to “woke” terminology). But neither Malkin or Fuentes are talking about race AFAIK, you are the one talking about race. They are talking about immigration.

  189. “But neither Malkin or Fuentes are talking about race AFAIK, you are the one talking about race. They are talking about immigration.”

    Unfortunately, for you and them, a goof many of those who affiliate with the group, even as leaders are as many of the comments makes clear here and here are talking about skin color and race. Unfortunately, once you get passed the silver lining that appears rightly or wrongly the core press.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-outrage-industrys-latest-child-soldier/

  190. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whitewolf

    “Then you should have stayed home and not sought empire. No going back tho. Innocents blood has been spilled and forever tied to you.

    Yeah only White people have sought empire and conquest. Only White people have started wars. The blood of all innocents is on Whites!!! For these original sins all White countries must be flooded with non-Whites and be forcefully integrated with Whites. The final solution to the White problem. Oh hang on we can’t call it that. That sounds too genocidal. Let’s call it diversity.

    • Replies: @Truthsayer”

    I think sarcasm is too subtle for people like ‘truthsayer’ to get.

    It’s the government that decides on immigration policy not immigrants themselves.

    And the reason for one countries immigration policies aren’t always identical to anothers.

    E.g immigration to levels to Britain have increased by 5 times to unprecedented levels since 1998, a year after Labour took office, and haven’t been reduced since, this was due to deliberate changes in immigration policy by the government, done mostly behind the publics back…

  191. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truthsayer

    “you don’t want none Whites but sure love taking their resources”

    Oh are ‘resources’ from other countries acquired in exchange for accepting immigrants? If that’s the case it’s a new one in me.

    Which resources are you talking about?

    A lot of ‘resources’ that are considered valuable today didn’t have a known use, or as many known uses, a few centuries ago, or less, and finding uses for them took hard and dedicated work and research by scientists.

    Resources are only useful if a use is known for them and people know how to use them.

  192. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “d. I think the US does not to clean up its act regarding the use of force. Again US citizens are capable for managing that if they choose. my play our cards right . . . “

    Is it Trump voters that are responsible for the U.S government finally, perhaps, winding up hostilities in the Middle East?

    Before the 2016 election I think there were quite a few people that would have rather Trump was elected than Hillary because they felt that he was less of a warmonger than Hillary…

  193. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whitewolf

    “Sure non-Whites are right to oppose White nationalism/supremacy. Whites are right to oppose non-White immigration for the same reasons”

    A lot of countries don’t have such a relaxed immigration policy as America and American’s wouldn’t find it as easy to become citizens in those countries as it is to become one in America.

    “Imagining non-Whites to be somehow more virtuous than Whites is even more silly”

    The only people I’ve noticed that act like they believe that to be the case are politicians, phoney academics, people in the mainstream and a few young people brainwashed by them. It doesn’t reflect reality imo…

  194. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truthsayer

    “Truthsayer says:

    Present-tense, yes it is your fault the world is shaped the way it is”

    I some how doubt that the man you’re lecturing has much say in it, but how was the world shaped before? What narcissistic delusional falsehoods have you got up your sleeve for us?

  195. “Is it Trump voters that are responsible for the U.S government finally, perhaps, winding up hostilities in the Middle East?”

    I absolutely thought this was the case and one reason why I voted for him.

    Some clean up on my comments:

    “d. I think the US does need to clean up its act regarding the use of force. Again US citizens are capable for managing that if they choose. If they play our cards right . . . “

    ————-

    Excuse the delay

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