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Popular culture, competence, justice, values, and the dream of betterment may have been the pillars on which the USA’s soft power was based, but the ground upon which those stood was success. Success made the others attractive; success is the most powerful attraction. The West is losing its aura of success – endless wars, divisive politics, COVID failure, financial crises, debt. And ever more desperate attempts to hold power against ever bolder dissent. It’s just beginning. And not just the USA, the West doesn’t present well any more: protests in Amsterdam, London, Berlin; a year of gilets jaunes in France. The world is watching. Not efficient, not attractive, not law-based. Not successful. Patrick Armstrong

Because Coronaviruses have been with us for as long as conspiracies, it’s natural for people to link them. But the history of epidemics offers better explanations than any conspiracy theory and useful advice to those who study it and respond appropriately.

This is the story of two civilizations: one that studied history and one that ignored it.

• • •

When a Swine Flu scare struck in the midst of the 1976 presidential campaign, Gerald Ford endorsed mass immunization. Surprised, the WHO, which had not been consulted, said, “No other countries have plans for mass inoculations”. But US officials pressured the WHO to endorse Ford’s decision and, “By the next day, headlines quoted WHO officials stating, ‘WHO endorses President Ford’s plan for massive inoculation against swine flu virus.’” The vaccine proved ineffectual for most and lethal for some, contributing to Ford’s loss to Jimmy Carter.

When the AIDS epidemic struck in 1981, Ronald Reagan–concluding that old people and homosexuals were dispensable while political careers were not–ignored it and was reelected in a landslide.

Since that day, governments have treated epidemics as acts of a capricious God, mumbled something about ‘a bad ‘flu season,’ and let herd immunity work its magic. Says UK Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn, “I remember distinctly going to a meeting at the Cabinet Office, where we got a lecture about herd immunity. The last time I discussed herd immunity was when I worked on a pig farm 40 years ago. It was absurd that actually [you] would build up herd immunity by allowing people to die. And so, while the government was going into eugenic formulas and discussing all this stuff, they were not making adequate preparations.” And that was in Britain, with its famed National Health Service.

It is difficult to imagine how the US could have made ‘adequate preparations’ when we distrust our our medical industry, our media, and each other.

We even distrust our government. The CDC, born in 1946 as the US Army’s Communicable Disease Center, is still headed by a non-scientist Army officer. It has only ever provided surveillance, research, and advice, leaving execution to the Army’s chain-of-command. The national health department of Swaziland can probably field more public health staff overnight than the CDC.

To complicate matters, expert opinion was divided. Mainstream epidemiology and public health entities doubted–some rejected–the efficacy of lockdowns and mass quarantines as ineffectual and impracticable.

In early 2020, Tony Fauci told reporters, “I can’t imagine shutting down New York or Los Angeles, but the judgement on the part of the Chinese health authorities is that given the fact that it’s spreading throughout the provinces… it’s their judgement that this is something that in fact is going to help in containing it. Whether or not it does or does not is really open to question because historically when you shut things down it doesn’t have a major effect.”

Had Dr. Fauci studied China’s history with the virus he would know that they eliminated diseases in two years that had been endemic for a century, according to the US National Institutes of Health:[1]An exploration of China’s mortality decline under Mao: A provincial analysis, 1950–80. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/ “Life expectancy under Mao ranks among the most rapid, sustained increases in documented global history”.

Rightly or wrongly, Beijing had treated the 2003 SARS outbreak as another US bioweapon and assigned three teams to prepare for the next attack:

  1. Prevention and Detection, led by George Gao, head of the CCDC. Dr. Gao established a 70,000-node coronavirus detection system that gives physicians one-click access to Beijing headquarters.
  2. Response, led by 94 million Party members, who took responsibility for shutdown logistics.
  3. Geopolitical Implications, led by Liu He[2]Liu, who also handles trade negotiations with the US and the EU, studied at Seton Hall and received his MPA at Harvard University. He has published widely on macroeconomics, industrial and economic development policy, new economic theory and the information industry. (below). Mr. Liu concluded that pandemics often shift the balance of global power and focused on exiting a lockdown at full throttle. Beijing gave him a supercomputer and a thousand PhDs to model the scenario Beijing is currently executing.

Despite repeated warnings[3]Bill Gates has warned of it regularly for twenty years. in the West, when the WHO announced the outbreak in January, 2020, Dr. Fauci announced, “The American public shouldn’t worry about the coronavirus outbreak in China. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States.. And we have ways of responding – like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.” The President repeated his assurances.

But, while politicians ignored the virus (already widespread amongst us even then[4]Blood samples taken in the US from December 13, 2019, revealed high levels of Covid-19 antibodies nationwide. Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. Sridhar V Basavaraju, MD, et al.), media relentlessly insisted that it was an existential threat. The fact that a huge country shut down its cherished economy convinced us that the survival of the human race was at stake. At the same time, the US added fuel to the media’s flames by predicting that the shutdown would wreck China’s economy. Nancy Pelosi cheered on the virus and the State Department circulated ‘Blame China!’ memos to embassies–official acknowledgement that drew even more attention to the outbreak.

Then, with the first domestic deaths, we demanded that governments Do Something. The UK abandoned ‘herd immunity’ as ‘insensitive’ and fired the man who proposed it.

But the CDC hung tough and moved Covid discussions to secure facilities, classified them, and released them on a need to know basis.[5]Excess Patient Visits for Cough and Pulmonary Disease at a Large US Health System in the Months Prior to the COVID-19 Pandemic: Time-Series Analysis. JMIR Vol 22, No 9 (2020): September It banned Covid testing and local health officials who insisted on testing for Covid-19 were served with cease and desist orders until mid-March, when media fixation on the epidemic forced the CDC to lift its testing ban.

Was there a Great Chinese Covid Conspiracy? Did the PRC trick us into emulating them? A European epidemiologist based in China suspected as much and wrote me at the time:

I find the Chinese government’s response extremely interesting, as though it deliberately exaggerated C-19. It seems the PRC is fanning fears on purpose, using maps filled with dark areas and shutting down everything everywhere–on a staggering scale. Few people realize just how big Wuhan is, and how significant Chinese New Year is in terms of people moving around and going in and out of those wet markets every day: literally hundreds of thousands of people leaving them, taking public transport, going home, exposing family and visiting relatives who in turn go to crowded areas and use public transport themselves. Comparing the paucity of cases to the population and the relatively low death rate, I suspect Wuhan was practicing for a really serious outbreak, when people die like flies. And, just as they did with SARS, the government has taken copious notes on how to improve–and showing us how China will respond.

Whether or not they intended their response as a wu-shi move on the West, China benefited greatly from it, testing their civil defense, strengthening management, and boosting social cohesion. For scope, speed, agility, sophistication, and geopolitical impact, nothing compares to it, as this chart reminds us every day:

If China’s Covid response was a conspiracy, our media abetted it by steering Western governments onto well-charted rocks, and their timing could not have been worse. In 2021, the centenary of the Party’s founding, Beijing will reveal an array of social, business, scientific, civil, military, and diplomatic achievements, including three new multi-billion dollar industries.[6]BSN, Blockchain Services Network; CBDC, Central Bank Digital Currency; and QKCD, Quantum Key Distributed Networks. The main attraction is a fully automated Flash Gordon city, home to six million people, whisked around, mostly underground, in autonomous EVs to buildings that expect and summon elevators for them. Built to humanize urban life, its loudest sound outdoors will be chirping birds.

Efficient, attractive, law-based, successful.

Godfree Roberts publishes Here Comes China, a newsletter devoted to information our media ignores and is the author of Why China Leads the World: Talent at the Top, Data in the Middle, Democracy at the Bottom.

Notes

[1] An exploration of China’s mortality decline under Mao: A provincial analysis, 1950–80. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4331212/

[2] Liu, who also handles trade negotiations with the US and the EU, studied at Seton Hall and received his MPA at Harvard University. He has published widely on macroeconomics, industrial and economic development policy, new economic theory and the information industry.

[3] Bill Gates has warned of it regularly for twenty years.

[4] Blood samples taken in the US from December 13, 2019, revealed high levels of Covid-19 antibodies nationwide. Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. Sridhar V Basavaraju, MD, et al.

[5] Excess Patient Visits for Cough and Pulmonary Disease at a Large US Health System in the Months Prior to the COVID-19 Pandemic: Time-Series Analysis. JMIR Vol 22, No 9 (2020): September

[6] BSN, Blockchain Services Network; CBDC, Central Bank Digital Currency; and QKCD, Quantum Key Distributed Networks.

 
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  1. Realist says:

    The one thing you didn’t report was the lethality of Covid 19 is no greater than the normal flu. In the West, especially the US, Covid was falsely blamed for many deaths, in an effort to instate strict control over the population.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  2. What all this should indicate is that if there is no proven knowledge about a subject, then there are no experts in the subject. If there are no experts and only opinions on what to do, then there should be no orders from on high as they don’t KNOW anything above speculation.

    That different gov’ts have implemented different programs should immediately tell anyone and everyone that there is no definitive knowledge base from whence these politicians, doctors, researchers, etc are operating. They are winging it for political and personal aggrandizement.

  3. “Since that day, governments have treated epidemics as acts of a capricious God, mumbled something about ‘a bad ‘flu season,’ and let herd immunity work its magic.”

    Yes, and if there had been no coordinated media terrorist propaganda onslaught in 2020, no one ever would have noticed anything particularly unusual, just another “bad flu season”.

    Which is all this ever objectively was or is, the one and only difference being that the star performer is a coronavirus like the common cold rather than influenza, whose role has been completely effaced as if it no longer exists. (In reality of course many of the alleged “Covid deaths” and cases really have been the same old flu, which of course has not ceased to exist, contrary to the system’s lies.)

    • Agree: GeeBee, Realist, Miro23
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  4. Cowboy says:

    The main attraction is a fully automated Flash Gordon city … Built to humanize urban life, its loudest sound outdoors will be chirping birds.

    Efficient, attractive, law-based, successful.

    Sounds like the least human environment to my ears. When did the Brave New World become an utopian manuscript?

    • Replies: @lloyd
  5. A report by Fox News’ Steve Hilton tells a different story about the origins of Covid-19 and Dr. Fauci’s (and perhaps Obama’s) hand in it: http://video.foxnews.com/v/6225847837001/

    About ten years ago in a Netherlands research lab, researchers experimenting on respiratory viruses discovered that non-airborne viruses could be manipulated into becoming more virulent and spreading via the airborne route.

    The researchers proved that non-airborne animal viruses could be manually mutated into becoming more virulent and contagious airborne pathogens. This had never been done before, and it came to be known as “Gain of Function”.

    The advantage of this discovery was that scientists could gain knowledge about virus mutation, both in increasing virulence and modes of transmission.

    The risk was that a genetically manipulated virus would escape from a laboratory and infect a population that had little or no hope of evolving immunity to it. There was also a great risk that these man-made viruses would mutate to more severe virulence in ways biologists were unprepared for, and were unable to develop vaccines for.

    This Gain of Function research quickly spread globally and governments eagerly funded it – particularly the United States government. One of the countries it spread to was China, Wuhan to be exact.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci – in his role as head of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases – gave $3.7 million towards research into coronaviruses in Wuhan, China over a six-year period.

    [MORE]

    This research, funded by Dr. Fauci in Wuhan, was mostly concerned with experimentation into the Gain of Function discovery made earlier in the Netherlands. It involved experimentation and manipulation into how new Coronaviruses harvested from wild animals would infect other animals and also humans.

    Although many experts at the time warned that Gain of Function experimentation on viruses was dangerous and unethical, Dr. Fauci was so eager to pursue it that in 2011 he authored an op-ed in The Washington Post headlined: “A Flu Virus Risk Worth Taking”. In this op-ed he vehemently defended Gain of Function research.

    In 2014 Obama’s administration – perhaps listening to biosafety experts – placed a moratorium on Gain of Function research. The U.S. Government paused funding for Gain of Function research.

    This pause, though, didn’t stop Dr. Fauci funding Gain of Function research in Wuhan. He kept the funding and research alive by subcontracting the work to Eco-Health Alliance, which is a New York group led by Zoologist Peter Daszak. Daszak had previously discovered the link between bats and SARS.

    Dr. Fauci paid over $3 million to Daszak’s group to continue the Gain of Function research. Eco-Health then further subcontracted the Gain of Function research back to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Did Dr. Fauci operate like a mafia don, by putting a severable link between him and his illegal funding of Gain of Function research in China?

    Steve Hilton says he discovered paperwork from Wuhan that had a reference number on it that leads back to the funds Fauci paid to Eco-Health Alliance.

    The gory and alarming details is that Gain of Function research and manipulation created unique doorways for viruses to enter the human body. These manipulated viruses enter and attach themselves to human cells and use the cell’s own mechanisms to replicate themselves and then overrun other cells in ways never before seen.

    Covid-19 and its mutated versions have these exact same entry, attachment and replication characteristics.

    A virus that naturally jumps from animal to human, generally enters the human hosts in a weakened form. It takes time for the virus to read the human defences and to mutate a counteraction to them. This gap between initial infection and mutation, in turn, gives human hosts time to read the virus and develop immunity to it. Thus, when the virus mutates and sweeps through the population a second time, quite many of the human hosts will already have developed an immunity to it.

    It seems that scientists, with lots of help from Dr. Fauci, negated this natural defense that humans should have had against Covid-19. It’s very probable that this virus was harvested from wild bats in some remote part of China and then introduced to human cells in a laboratory, where it was encouraged to interact with human tissue and learn how to overcome its biological defenses.

    I’d reckon Dr. Fauci is due a day in court to explain his ignoring the US government’s moratorium on funding Gain of Function research. But what about Obama? It’s very hard to imagine he wasn’t aware of Dr. Fauci’s illegal funding of this very dangerous research in China.

    When you consider that Covid-19 was extremely advantageous to the Democrat’s stealing the November election, it’s harder still to believe that Obama wasn’t aware a virus was being weaponized against the American people and the world.

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    , @xcd
  6. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    RoatanBill have a look at one of my Newslinks posted today entitled Opening the CIA’s Can of Worms.

    I believe it is the best synopsis of the CIA and the National Security Council I have read in a long time. The tentacles of these two spy agencies plus others are what gives the Deep State its, now, total control of this country.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  7. SafeNow says:

    Different countries are good at different things. Taiwan leaped into action on December 31, 2019. (!) The US should have asked Taiwan: “We do a lot of things very well (not really true), but we don’t do potential pandemics as well as you do. What, exactly, do you think we should do?” This entails what I call “the Gene Hackman principle.” In one of his movies, Hackman says that facing a hard problem, he imagines that he is someone who is smarter than he is at the task at hand, and imagines what that person would do. Well, in this case, US was not restricted to merely imagining.

  8. @Realist

    If it’s the article by Edward Curtin, I read it on LewRockwell this morning. I hit LewRockwell first thing every morning and have done so for as long as that site has been up.

    I’m curious about my Newslinks. What exactly are you referencing? What newslinks and why are they yours? Am I missing something I should know about? Educate me please.

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. lloyd says: • Website
    @Cowboy

    Actually there won’t be chirping birds unless they are recorded.

  10. lloyd says: • Website
    @ForeverGone

    I find it very easy to imagine Obama wasn’t aware. He was always easily controlled and not a monster.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
  11. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Newslinks is a feature that Ron Unz added awhile back. You can find them in the upper right corner of The Unz Review home page. Anyone can post a news item…up to three in a twenty-four hour period.
    I refer to them as my Newslinks…for the ones I submit.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  12. Built to humanize urban life, its loudest sound outdoors will be chirping birds.

    Maybe it’s just me, but that gives me the creeps.

  13. @Realist

    When I visit this site, I look for the yellow NEW! flag. If it’s not new, I move on. There’s just too much stuff on the home page to peruse everything that may also be old.

    Thanks for the heads up. I’ve posted links as part of the discussions that may be more appropriate as newslinks. Maybe yes, maybe no. At least now I’m aware of the feature.

    Maybe you can also explain how some folks are able to post emoji’s, strike out text, and other features that don’t appear to be obvious from the existing pallet of options for a comment. If they involve some special feature afforded only by using a smartphone, then I’ll never use them because I hate that damned smartphone user interface. Android and Apple’s flavor are shit operating systems.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  14. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Maybe you can also explain how some folks are able to post emoji’s, strike out text, and other features that don’t appear to be obvious from the existing pallet of options for a comment.

    They use Hypertext Markup Language (HTML)

    The one for a strikeout is like a blockquote except substitute the word strike ooops. There are a lot of them and you can Google HTML code to get a list.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @RoatanBill
  15. Realist says:
    @Realist

    A note I don’t believe all HTML codes work on Ron Unz’s setup.

  16. @Realist

    I’m very familiar with HTML. I have a roughly 1100 page Linux related book on Amazon that I hand formatted with HTML. Most of it cut and paste after formatting the first chapter plus the CSS.

    I figured the web site would remove any embedded HTML as you can do some damage to a site with creative HTML. As a white hat hacker, I wouldn’t allow it which is why I thought it couldn’t be that simple.

    Thank you for the information.

    • Replies: @Realist
  17. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    A note I don’t believe all HTML codes work on Ron Unz’s setup.

  18. @RoatanBill

    Look at PinePhone, with its Mobian i.e. Debian OS. I haven’t yet, but I soon will, and hopefully will flush Android down the drain.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. Chins up USA. You are not the only First World country that has been dragged down to the level of a Third World sh*thole.

    The British have recently been reassured by one of their esteemed black Members of Parliament that the Covid-19 vaccination is effective and safe for them to take. Considering who this MP is, and his track record, I’m sure John Bull’s sons sleep more soundly now that he has guaranteed them that the inoculations are non-pernicious.

    David Lammy is this MP’s name. He’s black and currently is a member of Her Majesty’s Opposition in the British Parliament. He has served as Shadow Secretary of State for Justice, and as Shadow Lord Chancellor, in Keir Starmer’s Labour Party’s Shadow Cabinet since 2020. He also served as a Minister under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. In the Brown administration he served as Minister of State for Universities.

    David Lammy once appeared as a contestant on a TV quiz show.

    When Lammy was asked on this TV quiz show to give the married name of Marie and Pierre who won the 1903 Nobel Prize in recognition of their joint research on the radiation phenomena, he answered, “Antoinette”. David Lammy assumed that because one of the Nobel winners was called Marie, the answer had to be Antoinette, as in Marie Antoinette, the last queen of France before the French Revolution.

    The correct answer to the question was Curie. Marie (nee Skłodowska) had married Pierre and taken his surname, Curie. It might somehow be alright for a Minister of State for Universities in the UK not to know this! But even a White wino drunk in the gutter would be well aware that Marie Antoinette could not have won a Nobel Prize for physics in 1903.

    Lammy was then asked to name the building that was used in France by Cardinal de Richelieu as a prison. Lammy answered, “Versailles,” as in the Palace of Versailles, the principal residence of French Royals until the French Revolution.

    The correct answer was the Bastille. The line of questioning was Revolutionary France. A barely literate school child would immediately connect the Bastille to any question about French prisons in this era. And probably also be aware that Versailles was connected to French Royalty and the governing classes, not prisons.

    This recent Minister of State for Great Britain’s Universities’ egregious lack of intellect and secondary school intelligence gets worse. Much worse.

    When Lammy was asked who succeeded Henry VIII to the English throne, he answered, “Henry VII”!

    The British thought Diane Abbott was the only member of their parliament that can’t competently add two and two together!

    But David Lammy leaves no stones unturned in providing proof of his unfitness for even clerical work. He also at one time criticised the BBC for questioning someone on whether they thought white or black smoke would be emitted from the chimney in the Vatican. This question was asked by the BBC because the Vatican’s cardinals were in the process of electing a new pope.

    Lammy assumed they asked it because they were racist.

    As I said, chins up USA. You’ve a long way to go before you catch up with the UK. Of course, you’ve got Johnson who in 2010 said that too many people in Guam would capsize the island. But you’d need to come up with about fifty Johnsons before you’d have any hope of catching up with the British.
    _____________________________________

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
  20. Dumbo says:

    He forgot to tell us that countries such as Nepal were too poor to test everybody or make long lockdowns, so they basically “stopped fighting the pandemic” and it just went away.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/11/its-as-if-theres-no-covid-nepal-defies-pandemic-amid-a-broken-economy

    The main attraction is a fully automated Flash Gordon city … Built to humanize urban life, its loudest sound outdoors will be chirping birds.

    This Godfree chap is awfully cheerful about China… But I wouldn’t be so sanguine. I haven’t been to China but I know people who have, and what they told was of giant overcrowded cities full of pollution where tourists are scammed.

    Chirping birds? The Chinese don’t strike me as a bird-loving people, unless the birds are eaten raw as some form of aphrodisiac.

    I mean, this is the country where people basically led sparrows to extinction thanks to a deranged idea of Mao Tse Tung:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • Troll: Showmethereal
  21. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I’m aware of the PinePhone. I bought a Huawei phone late last year when my Nexus one’s battery swelled up and cracked the case. I buy these things to use as a phone, not as a miniature computer. The Huawei was rated best for sound quality. The PinePhone wasn’t rated at all.

    • Agree: Chinaman
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  22. @RoatanBill

    Even if completely correct, there’s a few problems here —
    “If there are no experts and only opinions on what to do, then there should be no orders from on high as they don’t KNOW anything above speculation.”
    There may be no expert in the specific issue, but there may be experts in the general issue (viruses — corona)
    Next, even assuming “no experts” only opinions, does NOT mean all opinions are equal — some opinions will be better/worse.
    Which leads naturally to the invalid conclusion, that lacking proven TRUTH (essentially impossible) those with political responsibility (those “on high”) should issue no orders — ie should do nothing. That’s tricky to begin with, b/c to do nothing is to do something. Further, when does a government know enough to act? Science itself is often in conflict (ie covid, climate etc).
    Finally the commentator offers a moral, indeed, cynical conclusion–
    Different Gov’s implementing different programs means there is “no definitive knowledge base” which in turn means — “They are winging it for political and personal aggrandizement.”
    These motives may well be true — but that doesn’t mean they were the only, or even the dominating, motives.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  23. @animalogic

    I could find no critical point to your critique.

    Which leads naturally to the invalid conclusion, that lacking proven TRUTH (essentially impossible) those with political responsibility (those “on high”) should issue no orders — ie should do nothing. That’s tricky to begin with, b/c to do nothing is to do something.

    The political class is staffed with people that know little more than how to get elected by the ignorant rabble that votes. They have no knowledge in most areas they meddle in and thus produce one failed policy after the other relying on experts that aren’t.

    Most political questions shouldn’t be asked to allow the population to determine their individual responses to situations. When the political process does nothing, that allows for millions of individuals with just as much or little knowledge on the subject as the politician supposedly ‘in charge’ to figure out for themselves what they should do. It is the constraint that the political class uses to limit choice that causes the problems. When a politician does nothing, that allows for millions to do something.

    Further, when does a government know enough to act?

    Answer : Almost never and is why I’m an anarchist – rules but no rulers. Politics is picking winners and losers when the market should be allowed to support multiple choice on most subjects.

    If various gov’ts do something and these somethings are significantly different, then does that not prove that there is no known correct answer? Yes or no? If yes, then how can they be different? If no, then why should the population be restricted to their guess?

    You can’t possibly hail from a STEM discipline as your logical abilities are faulty.

  24. @lloyd

    Chirping? Maybe not. But Aarking, as in crows? Well those guys are survivors!

  25. Cowboy says:
    @lloyd

    In a Technopoly everything is a resource to be arranged, rearranged, and disposed of including human resources.

  26. If you really truly think the PRC/CCP is good at infectious disease control, you need to read up on “pig Ebola,” African swine fever.

    Also note the suppression of testing was a three entity trick, with the CDC playing the smallest role: DHS declared a certain type of emergency, putting the FDA in the position of blocking all alternatives as they did until the last day of February. CDC, their internal lack of capacity, and multiply flawed CDC test kits sent to state public health entities resulted in only 4,000 people being tested through that date, everyone including Trump was flying blind until sometime in March or so.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  27. @Flying Dutchman

    Yes, but who was telling the presstitute media what propaganda to report? They surely didn’t concoct this “Covid Conspiracy” on their own.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  28. @RoatanBill

    If various gov’ts do something and these somethings are significantly different, then does that not prove that there is no known correct answer? Yes or no? If yes, then how can they be different? If no, then why should the population be restricted to their guess?

    Proposition: Governments doing somethings significantly different proves that there is no known correct answer.
    “If yes, then how can they be different?” Because there is no known correct answer?
    “If no, then why should the population be restricted to their guess?” Because there could be a known correct answer, which should restrict the population to that government’s “guess”?

    Asking for a STEM challenged friend.

  29. @ForeverGone

    “But you’d need to come up with about fifty Johnsons before you’d have any hope of catching up with the British”

    Uhmmmm, have you been hiding under a rock the last 5 years?

    I will just assume you have🤷‍♂️ and ask you to go check out demoncRat and rino utterances on twatter and u.s media.🥺

  30. @lloyd

    In fact, Beijing–of which the new city is a satellite–is home to 531 bird species, by far the most of any world city, and the new city will be 70% forest and wetlands.

  31. @follyofwar

    “Yes, but who was telling the presstitute media what propaganda to report? They surely didn’t concoct this “Covid Conspiracy” on their own.”

    We don’t yet know exactly how it was coordinated, but we know that the cabal led by the likes of Gates and the WEF, served by such propagandists as Fauci and Ferguson’s Imperial College, have been lobbying the US and UK governments for many years to enact their “pandemic” prescriptions upon their command. Certainly, Boris Johnson in the UK basically did whatever Ferguson said.

    This cabal also previously established close connections with leading media outlets and key corporate sectors. Gates and the WEF held a conference in autumn 2019 dedicated to coordination of exactly the propaganda and policy rollout which was done in spring 2020.

    So every ulterior rationale was in place, and like clockwork the alleged SARS-COV-2 pandemic spread in unison with the Fed’s immediate need to greatly escalate its QE program in order to stave off a 2008-style financial collapse. The real need was a controlled demolition of the global economy to prevent a 2008-style chaotic collapse.

    Given this pressing motivation plus the existing government-corporate goal of always escalating the police state and the destruction of human communities and social networks, governments and media were more willing than ever to follow the cabal’s pre-set ulterior “pandemic” agenda, which in turn was better organized than before, with the coordination finalized at that 2019 conclave.

    The timing is strong circumstantial evidence that the release of the bug was not an accidental escape but deliberate.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  32. @RoatanBill

    What you are ignoring is that last Autumn the Chinese did not know what was causing the illnesses that they were observing, nor its real nature. While @Realist. 1, says: ” the lethality of Covid 19 is no greater than the normal flu.” That is not true, as it is about ten times as lethal as ‘flu and people who get it badly, suffer in ways that are, fortunately, unusual for ‘flu.

    Anyway, as the Chinese did not know what they were dealing with, they assumed that it was some sort of bio-war attack and treated it accordingly, as soon as they were fully aware of it. (It’s called “the precautionary principle”* and it is well known among rational people.) They worked, I imagine, on the principle that you cannot have a healthy economy if your workforce is sick and said; “We’ll deal with the illness first and let the economy take second place.” Subsequent events (and Trump and BoJo) have proved how right they were. Evidently, T & B both thought that THE IMPORTANT thing to look after was the stock market. Why so many other countries also sat on their hands and waited for the virus to hit them, I have no clear idea. There are many circumstances surrounding this “Pandemic”, that look very suspicious, but which suspicions are correct and which are fantasy I cannot say.

    * It is an application of Sod’s Law.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  33. @That Would Be Telling

    If you really truly think the PRC/CCP is good at infectious disease control, you need to read up on “pig Ebola,” African swine fever.

    I should think it is pretty obvious from how African Swine Fever broke out in many widely-separated places in China and Russia all at almost the same time, that it was a bio-war attack.

    As to whether the Chinese dealt with it well, their pig herd is now getting back to what it was, before the attack, after having been half-destroyed and they have developed a vaccine against it. The first successful one in a century.

    • Replies: @xcd
  34. @RoatanBill

    The political class is staffed with people that know little more than how to get elected by the ignorant rabble that votes. They have no knowledge in most areas they meddle in and thus produce one failed policy after the other relying on experts that aren’t.

    This simply is not true of China.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  35. @foolisholdman

    I don’t believe I’m ignoring anything. The lethality as reported is questionable since Covid apparently has cured cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc, all which have been reduced.

    To the best of my knowledge, the Chinese quarantined an area containing sick people. The US and Europe have quarantined their entire populations. When was the last time that healthy people were locked up along with the sick? We have TB cases walking the streets. We have AIDS carriers among us. TB and AIDS are a death sentence far more often than Covid. Should these not be isolated to reduce transmission? Why is Covid getting this out of proportion response that violates human rights and effectively imprisons healthy people without benefit of charge or trial?

    I’m of the opinion that no one, no president, no prime minister, no governor, no mayor, etc has the right to close up businesses and pauperize the public on their suspicions. If the totally bogus testing were eliminated, the Covid pandemic would disappear shortly thereafter leaving fatalities roughly on the order of the flu.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @xcd
  36. @foolisholdman

    I believe you know I was referring to the US. My error in not being more specific.

    Your assertion that the Chinese are different is unsupported when comparing apples to apples. That they are largely highly intelligent engineers, scientists, etc does not give them an edge when politics is concerned with the manipulation of the masses. That part of their policies that has a long term growth outlook and targets industries they wish to dominate has no equivalent in the US and therefore can’t be compared.

    I would agree that the Chinese have a better government in terms of knowing where they want to be in 10, 20 or even 50 years and the US hasn’t a clue where things stand a month from now, but I still wouldn’t want to live in a place as controlling as the Chinese appear to be to a western observer.

  37. xcd says:
    @ForeverGone

    USA holds a patent on the SARS virus. It is a synthetic combination of those of measles and mumps [Sergei Kolesnikov c. 2020]. Lifting the ban on gain-of-function research in 2017 was a sham. In 2015, US scientists modified the virus to damage lung cells.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

  38. xcd says:
    @foolisholdman

    Look up the US-run Lugar Centre for “Public Health Research” in Tiblisi. A specific strain of ASF appeared in Georgia in 2007, and spread to EU, Russia and China. It reached and SE Asia in 2019.

  39. xcd says:
    @RoatanBill

    Before they got a grip on the menace, China locked up the Whole of Wuhan. They also banned travel out of the entire province. These were responses the Evil Empire never expected.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Gordo
  40. @xcd

    Comparing China to the west in general then means China abridged the natural rights of the population of Wuhan while the west has done it to 100% of their populations. It’s the same trampling of rights but even there, China did it on a smaller targeted scale.

    I can make the case for quarantining an area that includes healthy people only by analogy. If a dam has broken and the water is coming to drown an hourglass shaped town, if it’s possible to block the flow at the narrow neck of the hourglass to save half the town, then that might be reasonable. This however is a case where it is obvious that the water will do its damage if not stopped.

    In the case of a virus transmitted by the wind, no such solution is possible and therefore quarantining healthy people can’t be condoned. No one can honestly say how the virus is communicated from one person to the next. They all guess as no one has tagged a particle and watched it move from person to person. Since masks are supposed to hamper transmission, air (wind) is a medium and no one has figured out how to stop the air from flowing wherever it wants.

    From my perspective, gov’t has no right under any circumstances to trample an individuals natural rights. In my flood analogy, the people in the still dry part of town have the natural right to protect themselves from the water heading their way. Gov’t has no such right.

  41. @Realist

    Strange because I dont know anyone that ever died directly from the flu in the last 30 years. I know of several people who died of Covid. I know people who survived it as well – but it is definitely not a “normal flu”

    • Replies: @Realist
  42. @RoatanBill

    True but persons can onserve qhat works and what doesn’t and learn from those who did better.
    Years ago a relative who works in the medical industry said medical practice is just that – practice. Bit some governments only wanted to practice ideology and arrogance.

  43. Realist says:
    @Showmethereal

    Strange because I dont know anyone that ever died directly from the flu in the last 30 years.

    Thousands do every year.

    I know of several people who died of Covid.

    How do you know they died of and not with Covid?

    I know people who survived it as well – but it is definitely not a “normal flu”

    How do you know that?

  44. Gordo says:
    @xcd

    Before they got a grip on the menace, China locked up the Whole of Wuhan. They also banned travel out of the entire province.

    Yes the cut Wuhan off from the rest of China but still allowed international flghts in and out of Wuhan.

  45. Chinaman says:

    China benefited greatly from it, testing their civil defense, strengthening management, and boosting social cohesion. For scope, speed, agility, sophistication, and geopolitical impact, nothing compares to it, as this chart reminds us every day:

    If a society and its government cannot organise and mobilise its population to contain a virus, think about what happens in a conventional war between China and America which requires logistical planning, production and resource allocation that involves the whole society. China built hospital in days when American cannot even produce their own masks.

    Americans are stupid, indolent and ignorant. COVID just expose how weak and divided America really is…

    I think it is time China bring the fight to America and put the country out of its misery…or it can just do nothing and watch it implode in a decade. We all know the disintegration of America is inevitable as whites go below 50% of the population. China will help non-whites takeover the country.

  46. Chinaman says:
    @RoatanBill

    Check out the foldable mate X 2. Makes the iPhone look like a 5 year old toy.

    The larger screen gives so much more freedom.

    Apple can never do it since they don’t have the hardware technology.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  47. @Chinaman

    Thanks for the hint, but I don’t think so.

    I just looked it up. It’s $2,800.

    My limit for a phone is about $300 since all I use it for is to make phone calls. My phone has no internet connection, so no email, no browsing, no installed apps, no sending the spooks any of my information.

    I run a dual screen Ubuntu box as my main development machine. I like 32″ monitors, not something the size of a US dollar bill.

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