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In the West, we spend a lot of time endlessly debating the various generations and their voting patterns, values, and economic niche in our societies. While there are exceptions to any rule, certain generalizations have come into focus about the Silent Generation, the Baby Boomers, Generation X, Millennials and the Zoomers.

But what about in Eastern Europe? Do they have a similar generational divide?

Well, again, in the West, this generational divide was created mostly as a result of the cultural revolution of the 60s. Generations before then certainly differed in their views and their historical circumstances, but something changed from the 1960s onwards that divided the population into distinct cultural cohorts. The equivalent occurred in the East during the late 80s and the early 90s, following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the cultural revolution that occurred in its aftermath. Once again, everything in Slavland revolves around the USSR and people’s relationship to it, memory of it, and attitude towards what it represented.

The Soviet Generation is basically anyone who came of age in the Soviet Union and spent their formative years as a part of that system. These people generally have a nostalgia for the USSR that is tied both to their memories of their halcyon youth as well as a general support for the actual economic, social, and political system in which they lived. This is partially explained by the fact that the late Soviet Union was generally a stable, crime-free and an all-encompassing cradle-to-grave nanny-state. More than any other generation, the Soviet Generation is largely monolithic in its views and attitudes because their source of information was standardized and they did not have access to alternative media. This makes analyzing them quite easy, although it makes conversing with them rather tedious at times — you know what they’re going to say before they even formulate the thought in their heads.

It is worth mentioning that these people are often pejoratively referred to as the Sovok Generation, and when people in Eastern Europe refer to “sovoks” or the state of being “savok-like” they are referring to Soviet attitudes, values, and ways of doing things. It’s not a very nice word, but it’s also not quite at the level of being a curse or a slur. It is used in much the same way as the phrase “Ok, Boomer” is used by Millennials to deride their parents’ generation and their values.

A sovok, of course, is a broom in Russian and for some reason, it became popular to refer to Soviet nostalgists as sovoks, probably because of their tendency to deny that anything bad was happening during Soviet Union days. As an example, if someone were to bring up the existence of the archipelago of gulags in Siberia that the Soviet Union had created, the sovok would deny that such a thing existed and simultaneously insist that the people in them deserved to be incarcerated before just sweeping the discussion under the rug, as it were.

Anyway, because of their demographic weight, almost all culture in Eastern Europe revolves around them and their views on the world and their tastes. Because they remain committed and dedicated TV watchers, all official propaganda is broadcast with them in mind. As a result, you get non-stop state-funded dramas about World War II that play on repeat almost continually, with barely any commercial breaks. Spend some time living with these folks and you get used to the non-stop rat-at-tat of machine-gun fire wafting through the paper-thin commieblock walls and angry German barking noises coming from the TV. It is only interrupted occasionally by those god-awful “narodinye” music concerts that feature singers in their 60s singing love songs from better days and commercials advertising laxatives and the services of private health spas.

Hey, what can I say? The TV people clearly know their target demo.

Furthermore, there has yet to be an Obama-like politician (in Russia at least) who demonstrated the power of social media and internet outreach to younger folks to produce an electoral landslide in his favor, although Alexey Navalny came close. TV remains the powerhouse of political campaigning because it targets the largest, most consistant voting bloc in the country. As a result, all politicians promise to increase pensions, social benefits, and other socialist policies aimed at people in their 50s and above. Post-Soviet old-timers also have an economic interest in being pro-Communist/Socialist considering that they now collect checks from the government to fund their retirement — something that they were promised during the ancien régime and which they hold modern politicians accountable for delivering on.

In contrast, pro-Soviet sentiment is virtually non-existent in the post-Soviet generation that comprises the younger age demographic. They generally view the red flag with a sense of unease and associate it with stagnation, corruption and repression. The official state cult of World War II and the Soviet Union’s victory over Nazi Germany and her allies does not resonate with the youth, but, again, it resonates quite deeply with the Soviet Generation, who was raised on it. In the 70s and into the 80s, the Soviet government, which had been surprisingly quiet about World War II, started leaning into WWIIism once the Marxism and building a socialist utopia thing began to lose resonance with the public. As for why the Soviet state was loath to embrace WWIIism initially, it may have been because they had incorporated many of the countries that they had fought against into its empire. Unlike the Allies, the Soviets sometimes demonstrated a Realpolitik attitude towards reincorporating and reusing old cadres from the various vassal state that they had conquered which led to lower-level Nazi officials finding official employment in the newly-reformed Stasi, for example. It was all that or it was the embarrassment that the Soviet state felt at the scale of destruction that they had suffered. Or maybe the idea simply hadn’t crossed their minds yet or it was rejected by party elites for being too “militarist” or “imperialist” or “bourgeoise.”

Regardless, the two-headed Russian eagle has yet to move past World War II and her eye remains firmly fixed on the past, fighting the last century’s wars over and over again in her own mind. Russia cannot form a vision of the future because she has not yet reconciled with her past.

Since we’re on the topic of demographics and World War II, it’s worth pointing out that the war did indeed blow a giant hole in the Slav population. But, if reproductive rates had remained consistent in the years following the war, this wound could have healed over in short order and the body of the people could have recovered in a few generations time. Instead, because of the Soviet industrialization policy, the aquifer that produced fresh Slavic souls was deliberately destroyed with the destruction of Slavic villages where families traditionally had upwards of 8 children or more through collectivization policies implemented by the government. Peasants were herded into the cities to begin their new lives as proletarians and to repent of their wicked kulak ways. The housing crisis, plus the Soviet cultural reforms which encouraged feminism and women’s rights along with the suppression of religion all worked towards contributing to the demographic slump that occurred soon after. In this sense, the Soviet situation almost exactly mirrors what occurred in the West, and in the United States, in particular. A baby boom following the war, followed by a steep drop-off, which left a huge demographic cohort dwarfing the subsequent ones that followed. Just like in the US, the Soviet Boomers grew up in a time of relative peace and plenty. Jobs grew off of trees as the Soviet Union needed anyone that they could get their hands on to rapidly build new cities, new factories, new roads and new missiles. When this all came to an end following the collapse of the USSR, the Soviet generation was left shell-shocked and many lost all that they had worked for. Previous generations were largely self-reliant and relied on the social safety net provided by their large families and village communities. But the Soviet generation, whether they had a choice or not, actually believed the promise that the state made to take care of them. As a result, they were the first generation to abandon the concept of large, nuclear and extended families and embraced the nanny-state whole-heartedly. They have become a huge burden on the post-Soviet economy with their constant trips to state-subsidized clinics and demands for ever-increasing pensions paid for by a much smaller working-age demographic.

Most Soviet old-timers have also retained bits and pieces of old Soviet propaganda in their minds, although these have been warped by time and the revisionist efforts of Neo-Sovietist writers and propagandists. Nikolai Starikov stands out as a shining example of this new form of Soviet apologism and revisionism, although it has become a veritable cottage industry in the countries of the former Soviet Union.

As a result, Soviets have a rather eclectic list of likes and dislikes that don’t make any sense from a Western perspective. For example, they hate Solzhenitsyn, whom they view as a traitor and they love Stalin, whom they view as the savior of Russia. Oh and they also hate Lord of the Rings for its anti-industial themes and because they believe that Sauron and Mordor represent the USSR — which they might, actually, come to think of it. But the controversy around the Lord of the Rings and its publication in the USSR is a story for another time. Soviet Boomers generally vote either for the Communists or for Putin, depending on whether they’re feeling particularly peeved at the government during that election cycle or not. As a rule, they are very concerned with economics first and foremost, and in particular, economic self-sufficiency. At heart they are autarkists, and nurse a burning hope for the Soviet promise of one day overtaking the West in the production and efficient distribution of widgets.

In short, their worldview and preferred political platform, in a nutshell, is economic nationalism (although they abhor the use of that particular N-word), cradle-to-grave big government socialism, and worshipping at the altar of the secular state religion of WWIIism.

I would also be remiss if I didn’t point out that the Soviet generation has a bizarre view of history and largely views the twentieth century through a conspiratorial lens. Please strap in for this next part and try to follow along as best you can. Most Soviet old-timers believe all of the following points simultaneously, even the ones that contradict one another. And so, without further ado:

  • Jews are not to be trusted. (Stalin condemned the Jews as being saboteurs of the Socialist project and the USSR subsequently supported the Arabs and their fight against Israel.)
  • Jews are very clever and have a lot to teach Eastern Europeans
  • Jews are responsible for the Russian Revolution and the carnage that followed.
  • Lenin had some good ideas.
  • Lenin was a secret Jew.
  • Hitler was a secret Jew funded by the United States and Great Britain.
  • Stalin was an enemy of the Jews and killed by the Jews.
  • Anti-Semitism is wrong and the Soviet Union was not anti-Semitic.
  • The Soviet Union saved the Jews from Hitler (and that’s a good thing).
  • The Jews destroyed the Soviet Union.
  • The Jews murdered the Tsar, but the Tsar was oppressing the people so he had to go.
  • The gulags are a myth.
  • The gulags were necessary to weed out traitors to the Soviet Union.
  • “Your great-grandfather was sent to the Gulags”.
  • Solzhenitsyn lied about the Gulags and was a traitor.
  • Stalin was a Russian patriot.
  • National-Socialism is abhorrent and evil.
  • Social-Nationalism is what made the USSR great.
  • The Soviet system was just and fair.
  • The Soviet Union stole wealth from Russians and redistributed it to the other socialist republics.
  • Ethnicity is not important, Socialism can establish world peace.
  • The Turks are a race of criminals and scoundrels.
  • Gorbachev was a traitor to the Soviet Union.
  • Comrade Andropov was a swell guy.
  • Krushchev was a drunk Ukrainian peasant.
  • Zhukov should have succeeded Stalin.
  • The KGB were just NKVD and Chekha thugs.
  • “I had many friends in the KGB.”

And on it goes.

Overall, they’re a mixed bag, to put it lightly. On the one hand, there is nothing wrong with economic nationalism and one could even make the argument for implementing some elements of socialism to raise living standards as part of a populist political platform. On the other hand, these ideas are simply not enough to form a romantic and uplifting message that captivates the hearts of the younger generations and chart a new civilizational course for Eastern Europe. What’s worse, these relatively sound and grounded ideas are tarnished by their constant and deliberate association with the Soviet Union.

In much the same way that myopic nationalists in the West deliberately associate their good ideas with the toxic brand of the Third Reich, so too do the old-timers in the East poison the well by associating the re-opening of Russian factories and social conservatism with gulags and secret police dragging people out of their apartments in the middle of the night.

Furthermore, they, like their Baby Boomer counterparts in the West, consider themselves the pinnacle of human evolution, and generally have an attitude of knowing better and being better than any generation that came afterwards. Their children and grandchildren (if they have any) will point out that everything built by their generation is ugly, which the eternal Sovok will, of course deny in much the same way that Western Baby Boomers demonstrate a peculiar appreciation for the sprawling strips malls and vacant parking lots that they built in the West.

More than anything, the Soviet Generation is terrified of being called the N-word and go to great lengths to extol the virtues of “the friendship of nations” that they supposedly successfully built in the USSR. They will frequently point out that there was no ethnic conflict in the Soviet Union, because Soviet values had defeated ethnic chauvinism by giving humanity a common goal and mission: efficient widget production and generous pensions, basically. If you point out that the Soviet Union achieved and maintained this uneasy peace through its military might, well… be prepared to have the N-bomb hurled at you.

And then, of course, one can’t help but notice the rather schizophrenic messaging around the war in Ukraine. See, you have young Russian nationalists with Slavic rune patches…

… or insignia derived from right-wing video games and fantasy novels ….

… shooting at Neo-Nazi mercenaries with SS Black Sun patches who are on the payroll of a Jewish oligarch.

And then you have Soviet pensioners coming out to welcome the militias of Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics by waving the red Soviet Flag. Lenin, of course, created the modern state of Ukraine to weaken Russia. Putin himself mentioned this fact in his speech declaring war on Kiev and called for the “de-communization” of Ukraine!

But they wave their red flag regardless. And then the mayor of Mariuple goes on to declare that a statue to the Soviet granny who came out of her home and waved a red flag at Ukrainian troops (viral video) will be built in the center of town!

This is Eastern European meta-political schizophrenia at its finest. I can only shrug and laugh at this point. Hopefully you find it as amusing as I do.

And of course, both sides also routinely accuse the other of being Nazis in their official propaganda. Sergei Lavrov just recently announced that, unbeknownst to everybody, Hitler was actually Jewish and that Jews are the real anti-Semites. He was then quickly condemned by Jews, who as a community, accuse Putin and his government of being Fascists and prefer to support the Jewish president of Ukraine. Lavrov’s statements are sure to raise eyebrows in the West, especially among members of the Dissident Right. But, if you had understood that Lavrov and most of the people in the Kremlin and the bureaucracy are Soviet Boomers, you could have basically set a timer and put your feet up while waiting for him to drop the obligatory “Hitler was a secret Jew anti-Semite” line. All I can say is that a lot of things become clearer about modern Russia when you understand the Sovok Mindset™.

Anyways I could write volumes upon volumes about the Sovoks and their Lies, but I feel that at this point I should tone down the criticism a bit and point out that compared to the generations that followed, these guys are the only ones holding the line against the onslaught of Western neoliberal values that the youth are so eager to gobble up and copy. Fundamentally, we have to conclude that they are simply a product of the informational environment that they grew up in. They cannot hate the Soviet Union because they grew up in it and to reject it is to reject decades of conditioning and hard work dedicated towards realizing the promised Socialist utopia. It’s easy to make fun of them and their beliefs, but they did not have the internet growing up, and they had to reconcile the whispered warnings of their far wiser parents’ generation and the realities of having to adjust and make a living in the Soviet system. They saw themselves as the Generation That Was Promised — as modernizers that would usher in an era of peace and plenty. When this vision crashed and burned, they reached out and clung to whatever they could to give them some sense of grounding and purpose. They did their best to rationalize irreconcilable realities and historical meta-narratives and as a result, their worldview is schizophrenic, to say the least.

What’s more, they seem incapable of realizing that their worldview is not universal and simply not shared by subsequent generations or those who lived outside the territories of the USSR. New ideas and geopolitical realities bounce off of them as their worldview has already firmly cemented and is continually reinforced by state propaganda geared at keeping them happy, leaving little room for doubt or deeper thinking to change their accepted vision of reality. Their vision of the future is myopic, as it is simply based on a nostalgia for the past.

In conclusion, in much the same way as the fate of the West is largely in the hands of the post-war generation, who still retains some semblance of wealth and electoral power, so too is the current political situation in Russia largely dominated by the needs, concerns and worldview of the Soviet Boomers. Funny enough, both of these demographic groups in the East and the West have more in common with one another then they care to admit.

God help us all.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The blog, if anyone is interested: https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/

    I wish Mr. Unz would include the link when he posts articles.

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  2. Because they remain committed and dedicated TV watchers, all official propaganda is broadcast with them in mind. As a result, you get non-stop state-funded dramas about World War II that play on repeat almost continually, with barely any commercial breaks.

    If you watch any UK TV, you’re bound to see no shortage of programming dedicated to how Britain won WW2, albeit with plenty of advertising.

    BTW, aside from the N-word, I’m not sure how this touching scene from the Victory Day celebrations comports with your premise about the young and the generation gap between them and the Sovoks. I guess first and foremost, Russians will be Russians.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Anymike
    , @Irish Savant
  3. What do the Sovoks think about Putin’s conversion to Orthodox Christianity and the stirrings of religious revival? Obviously the demographic future of Russia will depend on the religiosity of its people. Currently the Muslims trust in God a lot more than the (post-)Christians which leads them to have more children. That’s fine with me, since I see Islam as the corrected version of Christianity and don’t worry much about race…but I wouldn’t expect OO readers to agree ; – )

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  4. Wokechoke says:

    I agree with some of this. The key would be the US being run by the people who keep it ticking over. White Guys. Currently the issue is POC and HR ladies dictating policy to the historic population core.

    If White Men, currently being demonized by the system, swallow the idea that a war with Russia is a good idea for them I’d be amazed. While they might admire the Tractor driving Ukies, it’s only because many are worried the Biden run government is aiming to send in the tanks against them in Flyover Country. Seeing local farmers humiliating tank crews is fun projection but I suspect little more than that.

  5. Rahan says:

    A sovok, of course, is a broom in Russian and for some reason, it became popular to refer to Soviet nostalgists as sovoks

    A small shovel actually.

  6. “They are very concerned with economics first and foremost, and in particular, economic self-sufficiency.”

    How incredibly stupid. What kind of an imbecilic moron cow is very concerned with economics first and foremost and, in particular economic self-sufficiency?

    Why a cretinous dumbbell boltbrain, that’s who.

    Money doesn’t matter. All sorts of vague negligible irrelevant concepts matter. And so it’s very good to hate and despise them for their opinions on things that don’t matter. Much better than to worry about money.

  7. anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not just the USSR, it’s generally Warsaw Pact eastern Europeans over age 45 who are frequently nostalgic for the old communist era, although recognising that its social care system is not coming back

    This is a fine, accurate article about the post-commie mindview and its inconsistencies, e.g., ‘Jews have caused some big problems but we’re certainly not anti-semitic’

    It is often under-estimated that part of the strength of Stalinist Communism was that, for all his flaws, Stalin upheld an ‘organicist’ communist view supporting local cultures, ethnicities, and languages – and also restoring a soft patriarchy, reversing some Leninist ‘feminism’ – against the levelling ‘internationalist’ views of Trotsky more common in Western globalist ‘leftism’

    Sometimes also on Unz Review, writers such as Shamir argue data indicating that stories of Stalin and commie crimes were badly exaggerated, for various motives:
    – Cold War propaganda
    – revenge for Stalin’s anti-Jewish actions
    – revenge for Stalin’s pro-ethnicism & anti-Trotskyism
    – profit (Solzhenitsyn et al.)

    Take-aways from viewing the cultural forces pointed to by the article:
    – A significant degree of social protections, freeing people from economic fear, is a very good thing
    – Atheism and feminism are significantly undermining and destructive over time
    And of course the Western world is now perhaps ‘imploding’ as much as the Soviet Union did.

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  8. Hitch says:

    One has to understand that Jews and their Tikkun Olam have been hard at work experimenting on the Goyim and their elites for far longer than the century since they took over control of Russia. The main reason WWI was instigated was for the Rothschilds to take over control of Russia, their oil, to extract revenge on the Romanovs, but most importantly to set up the (((communist))) revolution.

    The Bolshevik take-over of Russia was simply a huge experiment in Goy mind control and the re-engineering of their culture. The Cultural Marxism forced on the US by the Frankfurt School during and after WWII had the same purpose. By 1940, the Judea had learned that through the tentacles of their Banking, Media, Education and Legal monopolies that they could achieve the same ends in the US and across the west without all that messy genocide through starvation and civil war.

    Arguably the entire American Revolution, and the ensuing American Civil War, were merely related and prior experiments of Goyim mind control, but in those time periods the propagandizing and influencing of society was accomplished mostly through the Judaic control of the Masonic and Illuminati Lodges.

    Of course the Sax-Coburg “Royal Family” are also a key component of this Judaic control grid, and the post war generation of the English, and all of Western Europe, are just as deluded as the Boomers and the Sovoks.

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  9. j2 says:
    @anonymous

    “It’s not just the USSR, it’s generally Warsaw Pact eastern Europeans over age 45 who are frequently nostalgic for the old communist era, although recognising that its social care system is not coming back”

    Not so frequently. Those over, say 60, are sometimes a bit nostalgic of some good things of the time of the commune as it was their youth, but they do not want the system back, and they certainly do not want Russians back as overlords. Russians have so very few friends in other Warsaw Pact countriesm and still much fewer now with this Ukraine war.

  10. Your comments about Russian cinema are strange to me. Russia has an incredible culture including an incredible cinematography. I can only recommend it.
    Among others, The Voice of Russia was for me a part of the end of the diabolical West. It was refreshing what criticism the Voice initially accepted. I showered them with memories of our soldiers… It was fierce. Today I understand better that at some point the editors neither wanted to read it nor let it stand and consequently deleted it. The voice mutated into Sputnik and RT joined in. A new world opened up, the Russian one, and the Western one became much more relative and smaller and smaller, because it is almost nothing in comparison. At some point I discovered Russian movies and TV series on Youtube; a new world with incredible satisfaction (not Jewtube but Russian TV). It was like being a human alone among robot monkeys and after decades you unexpectedly meet… real people. What a relief to see that there are still natural humans instead of cloned apes.
    My first great and unforgettable series was The Forester (204 episodes) with the fantastic Oleg Stefan Kho (by the way – born Russian of Donetsk) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmLfIQQvtI) and the beautiful Nina Gogaeva (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKE_I-sKHG8) and many other famous Russian actors; especially the now deceased Alexey Buldakov aka “Gleb”; feasts for the eyes and ears! One of the first feature films was Fanat with the gigantic Alexei Serebryakov or Gursuf (playing in Crimea), Cardshark (in Odessa), the bald motorcycle Dedektiv (forget his name) (in Sotchi), Flint… Forget Hollywood!
    Here in the FRG the American garbage is forced on us and everything Russian is suppressed and not shown at all. The Russian world is completely deleted. Russia is supposed to not exist. MSM is steered by NATO (see Thierry Meyssan). Meanwhile Youtube has deleted all series from Russian NTV….
    Do you lack appreciation of the treasures you have with Russian cinematography? In comparison, American series are just stupid, ugly; a pain in the backside. Moreover, I noticed that Americans are constantly copying from the Russians. They are and always have been thieves. Is Hollywood not in the gripes of the Jew? Whole America is Jewed, but not Russian film.
    My experience is opposite to Rolo’s judgement regarding Russian cinema. Russia has the best movies with the best actors. Today the West has only monotonous garbage left.
    Russia’s cinema appears very versatile with a great cultural spectrum including a very wide spectrum of war movies (many Afghanistan filmings).

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  11. Traddles says:

    Thank you, Mr. Slavskiy. I have a lot of direct experience with the “Sovoks,” and this is an excellent, true description of them.

    I have heard innumerable times about the joys of Soviet life in the 70’s-80’s, how supposedly everyone was well taken care of, how all ethnic groups and religions were respected and got along so well, how Nationalism (or “Nazists”) is greatest evil, although liberalism/West is greatest evil too, how Solzhenitsyn was traitor, Stalin was great patriot who only got rid of trouble-makers…. I can readily confirm those often contradictory yet sometimes based-somewhat-on-fact assertions.

    As a patriotic westerner I would caution others that there is some basis for the nostalgia of the Sovoks. Their denial of Soviet crimes and shortcomings can be infuriating, but in the struggle with the insane Woke, they can be reasonable allies.

  12. @j2

    Garbage!
    Russia is very popular amongst Germans (not robots). Many GDR citizens moved to Russia.
    The biggest opposition in Germany is completely against this war against Russia and stands 100 per cent with Russia. Thanks God we have 5 million Russians here. Without our Russians it would already be a total dessert here.

  13. Putin’s wholehearted embrace of the mythic version of the “Great Patriotic War” is as embarrassing as his devotion to the despotism of the Russian Orthodox Church. Notably absent from the Russian legend are the millions of tons of US aid unwisely delivered to Stalin, and the role of anti-Nazi elements in the German military that were more interested in unseating Hitler than protecting their homeland from the very real Soviet menace.

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  14. Wokechoke says:
    @j2

    The actual defeat of the Mongols, which the Russians can claim, shows that no good deed goes unpunished.

    • Replies: @Franz
  15. Russian father with four children…
    … tells the first child:
    “The war in Ukraina was a precautionary attack by Russia.”
    He tells the second child:
    “The war in Ukraina was an attack against Russia.”
    To the third child he says:
    “The Jew wanted Russia to attack.”
    To the fourth child he mumbles:
    “The Jew did not want Russia to intervene.”
    Is the Russian father schizophrenic?
    Does it run through the family? Is it a pass on trait of those RUS boomers? “Sovoks”, because his father, the grandfather, told to his 10 children (incl. the above father) singularly:
    1. Jews are not to be trusted.
    2. Stalin condemned the Jews as being saboteurs of the Socialist project.
    3. USSR subsequently supported the Arabs and their fight against Israel.
    4. Jews are very clever and have a lot to teach Eastern Europeans.
    5. Jews are responsible for the Russian Revolution and the carnage that followed.
    6. Lenin was a secret Jew.
    7. Anti-Semitism is wrong and the Soviet Union was not anti-Semitic.
    8. The Soviet Union saved the Jews from Hitler (and that’s a good thing).
    9. The Jews destroyed the Soviet Union.
    10. The Jews murdered the Tsar, but the Tsar was oppressing the people so he had to go.
    “The devil () is in the details”
    What might appear as one after the next discrepancy might fit nicely together if looked closely according to “evidence & due diligence”. Never underestimate the dialectic and pluralistic strategies of the negative forces. Contradictory, at first glimpse conflicting statements might just fit nicely together if not looked at fascistically (rigid) but patiently and in context of the greater “spectrum” of the negative force (seeking to destroy Russia). See comment 8.

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  16. Hitch says:

    I remember telling my father in 1992, a member of the “greatest generation” and a Korean war veteran, that although I was a “Republican” that I wanted Clinton to win the election over Bush the elder. It was a quintessential election showing the handoff from the generation that “made the world safe for democracy” to new, flower-powery feel good boomer generation.

    At the time I remember discussions about Clinton’s transparent (I didn’t inhale) lack of honesty and the way he pandered to blacks, communists and feminists, but his youth and appeals to a new age of peace and modernity won me over. I could tell that my father was disappointed in me.

    Of course both were mere puppets, although of the two Bush was clearly higher up in the satanic control pyramid.

    This seems to stand in contrast to what happened in Russia during the same period. Gorbachev gave way to Yeltsin, and I guess that one could say that the transfer of power to Putin heralded a new rebirth of great Russian leadership, but in my mind it was just not the same as in the US. Now we have Putin and Medvedev who would both qualify as “Sovok’”, but their break with the Russians that “defeated Germany” minor compared to the change that happened after Clinton, Bush and Obama.

    In England , IIRC, the handover went from Thatcher to Majors to Blair to Brown to Cameron. Perhaps one could claim that Blair and Brown were “Boomers” with boomer attitudes, but they really did not represent as as big a break in attitude as Clinton and the “Compassionate Conservative” Bush the younger. Wasn’t it Blair who had the “Cool Britannia” schtick? This was still empire boosting, where as Clinton and Bush were more openly globalist.

    In any case, here is a list of some of lies and cognitive dissonance of the boomer generation:

    – Make love not war
    – Flower Power
    – Give Peace a chance
    – Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll
    – Abortion is a woman’s “right”
    – The miracle of the Marshal Plan saved Europe
    – The “liberation” of Europe began on D-Day
    – We put a man on the moon. lol.
    – The Holocaust happened, I saw it on Schindlers List
    – Jews are always the victim and never the perpetrator
    – Negroes are the way they are because of centuries “oppression”
    – Diversity and multiculturalism are “enriching”
    – Blind Faith in “Science” and Technology

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  17. RobinG says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Agreed. Russian cinema is great. Thanks, you’ve saved me from reading Rolo. (Saved again!)

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  18. RobinG says:
    @The Alarmist

    Do you know who the blond woman is? (Is she his ex?) He had a lot to say to her as they walked.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  19. Что за грязный, мерзкий высер грязной. продажной твари, сбежавшей на Запад? За сколько продался, получил свои 30 сребренников? Потому и прячешься под псевдонимом? Не поможет тебе бог, западная подстилка! Будь прокляты такие, как ты! Над собой посмейся, выблядок!

    • Agree: Peter Rabbit
    • LOL: gT
  20. Ghali says:

    In the “West”, of course, is the other side of the extreme coin. From early childhood, steady diet of anti-Arabs/ anti-Muslims bigotry, war propaganda , and ugly nationalism is delivered 24/7. The results are self-induced ignorance, deeply intrenched racism and violence that is just below the thin skin of most Westerners. It did not take long to hate and persecute Russians and anything associated with Russia.

  21. Exile says:

    The author lost me at “Navalny came close.”

    Navalny was never any sort of Russian Obama and Rolo is not Anatoly Karlin or even The Saker.

    Bring back credible Russian political analysis, please.

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @anon
  22. JimDandy says:

    Stalin was an enemy of the Jews and killed by the Jews.

    On its own, is that such a crazy theory?

  23. As a result, you get non-stop state-funded dramas about World War II that play on repeat almost continually, with barely any commercial breaks.

    One might as well describe this as the Russian version of the cynically manipulative phenomenon that Norman Finkelstein described in his 2000 book The Holocaust Industry. It’s Hitla-Hitla all day, every day.

    Russia cannot form a vision of the future because she has not yet reconciled with her past.

    Such nostalgic mental constraints are reaffirmed by the annual May 9th parades and the preservation of the Stalinist name Kaliningrad that refers to the illegally occupied Prussian territory of Königsberg.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  24. Dumbo says:

    Man, and I thought boomers were a problem only in America! 😀

    Perhaps it’s a generation that has been cursed worldwide. Perhaps it was caused by some cosmic or astrological reason, such as the peak of the solar minimum during that period, or Saturn positioning itself over Uranus.

    “Solzhenitsyn lied about the Gulags and was a traitor.”

    I didn’t know that, but I found that to be true among older Russians who are nostalgic for the CCCP. But it’s always a difficult trick to criticize one’s own country/government while abroad. (Although Solzhenitsyn returned to Russia and was very much pro-Putin in his last years.)

    And yet, Solzhenitsyn was right about a lot of things, even about the possibility of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, that he in some ways predicted years before:

  25. Karl1906 says:

    These articles and their comments scare and anger me. Because they do EXACTLY the same thing the main stream media tries to achieve – SPLIT the population and spread propaganda.

    VISIT RUSSIA YOURSELF AND UNDERSTAND THE COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE AND FORM YOUR OWN OPINION – WITH YOUR VERY OWN EYES AND EARS. Don’t have these opinion points dropped and “bestowed” upon you and get “convenient” stereotypes as a result. It’s not 1955 and Stalin everywhere over there anymore. And it hasn’t been for a VERY, VERY long time.

    YES, there are people there who lived under Warsaw Pact-regimes. YES, some of them had a “better” life than now. BUT… and that’s a big BUT – THEY SURE AS HELL DON’T WANT IT BACK! There is no majority for wanting Stalin, Crushzev, Breznev etc. back. Get that? Good.

    And trying to put every person over 45 into the “boomer” category (which is also very typical for Western msm) is just plain insidious. Because there’s at least a WHOLE FUCKING generation between THESE people and the ones you’re trying to call out here.

    The ONLY reason why this lying and warmongering is going on is because Russia didn’t sell out in the 1990s as was planned by the US establishment. Plain and simple. Don’t fall for it.

    People over there are like us and they think and feel like us. And they certainly don’t want a war with us. Or revert things back to the Cold War era. No matter how much nostalgia they may feel when they were young and the world seemed to be “in order”.

  26. Franz says:
    @Wokechoke

    The actual defeat of the Mongols, which the Russians can claim, shows that no good deed goes unpunished.

    Amen to that.

    And to add to the grudge list, all of us who have bloodlines going back to the nations and tribes who held the Ottomans back for God knows how long, should be a bit suspicious of “colour-blind” Western Europeans who hid behind us and now laugh at us when they aren’t busy shoving the knife in.

  27. GMC says:

    Haven’t seen a hit piece on the Russian folks like this since Obama and his NeoCons took over Kiev in 2014. ” Navalny ” almost got the young vote from the Russian youth, like Obama did. ” – What are you smokin – or are the same folks that paid Navalny’s classes at Yale – your beneficiaries too ? Earth to Rolo – ya out there buddy ?

    Although I’ll agree with some of the ” strange old fashion ways of the Soviet Boomers” , they have the right to think anyway they want to, and Granny with the red CCCP flag – shows that the Russians can say and do things – only the Americans , can dream about. Especially with all the Lack of Freedoms in the USA – Today. And it’s going to get worse. Our Grandparents teach us the best part of life – Love, a little Strictness, Morals and they are in our lives , long after they’re gone.

    Ya , Russia isn’t perfect and they have a Zionist problem – who doesn’t. But , If you are going to be swayed to think like these ” old Fashion Soviets” at least sway them towards the love of your county, your countrymen, your children etc. etc. etc. All I read out of the USA is Hate – Hate the Muslims, Hate the Russians, Hate the people who won’t take the jab, Hate the people that want or don’t want abortions legalized, or what ever the past 50 year argument is all about.
    I’d buy a Tee shirt with Babooshka waving her red flag – much better than a Che t-shirt.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  28. SIMP simp says:

    Conflating the situation in Russia with that in the entirety of Eastern Europe is bizarre. If you mean to depict Russia say Russia. Things are very different from what you say in other countries.

    • Agree: ariadna
  29. KDB71 says:

    This is a highly accurate description of the sovok worldview and its origins. For all their excuse-making for Soviet communism, at least the sovki are unmistakably on our side against globo-homo.
    One wonders whether Stalin was a sincere communist by the end of his life. There’s much speculation that he always viewed Bolshevism as a vehicle to personal power, and either clung to or discarded its precepts as he deemed expedient. When he killed millions of peasants, dynamited the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, and imposed Yiddish-flavored cliques on Eastern Europe, he was acting tidily within Marxist parameters. But when one considers his admirable deeds such as restricting abortion and divorce, banning sodomy and avant-garde art, and suppressing rootless cosmopolitans, his singular devotion to the Marxist utopia falls under question.
    I’m currently reading The Keys of This Blood by the Traditionalist Catholic Fr. Malachi Martin, published just before the USSR’s implosion. Fr. Martin seems to concede that Stalin personally was no true believer, but that his state preserved the primitive revolutionary character of Leninism. Beginning with Khrushchev and culminating with Gorbachev, the Politburo gradually realized that Gramsci’s long march of peaceful cultural subversion was the true path to communism.
    The impending Soviet collapse, Fr. Martin suggests, was an inside job.
    My personal guess is that the late Soviet leadership, while perhaps authentically Marxist-Leninist to varying degrees, were first and foremost Russian imperialists, unconsciously or otherwise. I highly doubt that Gorbachev and the surviving August coup-plotters are currently huddled over their oxygen tanks in their dachas, watching the West fight for LGBT and BLM in Ukraine and grinning at how it’s all going according to plan. While the KGB surely contributed to Western cultural Marxism, I think it was primarily the adopted ideology of routed Trotskyites embittered by their banishment from the communist world and re-strategizing for the long haul.
    It’s frustrating when mainstream conservatives mock democratic socialist punks by saying socialism has always failed, what about the gulag, blah blah blah. When they harp on how socialism immiserates, they’re implying that they’d like it if it delivered on its promises, thereby betraying the gross materialism at the core of every cuck. When they scoff at kids who say Stalin wasn’t a real communist, they evince a dearth of imagination. Real communism would be far more nightmarish, dehumanizing, and terrifying than anything Stalin ever dreamed of.
    I don’t mean to suggest that I like Stalin. (I am kind of soft for Ceausescu, but that’s another story.) Whether his endless waves of terror against ordinary Soviet citizens were motivated by Marxist thought or his own megalomania, he was a godless swallower of lives whose power was anchored in an inhuman ideology that he never renounced.
    The post-Stalin USSR that reared the sovki, while free of the narcotics and open pornography that contemporaneously began their rampage on the Western soul, cannot be airbrushed into some innocuous, misunderstood economic-nationalist paradise. It was a land of free abortions and stringent atheism, to which “brotherly” African students were invited to come and yebat’ the liberated females (read up on the Nanjing riots to learn how the Chinese responded to this tradition). At least they didn’t have gay parades, unlike present-day Cuba – a land with which sovki are still very much enamored.
    All that being said: in the current showdown between Stalin’s heirs and Hitler’s, it sure wasn’t Stalin’s children who hopped right into bed with globo-homo. Someone for whom Marxism-Leninism is just kitschy retro code for Russian nationalism can be my friend; a Christ-hating pagan out to exterminate Untermenschen while on the payroll of globalist Zionists most assuredly cannot.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  30. @j2

    Russians have so very few friends in other Warsaw Pact countriesm and still much fewer now with this Ukraine war.

    Sometimes it seems some of Russia’s best “friends” are those that come over to this web site to comment on certain essays infused with pro-Russian propaganda. In an effort to understand why folks, most of whom who have themselves not even been to Russia, would nonetheless idealize, if not also glorify, Russia and, by extension, support Putin’s ongoing war of aggression in Ukraine, I developed the following categorization scheme that identifies six distinct types among such commentators, each of which classifications are accompanied by a brief description of characteristic attributes – not necessarily mutually exclusive.

    – Paid Trolls –
    Work from home as sub-contractors to Russian troll farms. Likely do not visit and never comment on threads not related to the Russia’s conflict with Ukraine and the West, such as intelligence, or Jewish misbehavior. Bombard threads with brief scripted comments, or multiple links and citations. Always resort to name-calling, false projections, or insults as a distraction when confronted by inconvenient facts or irrefutable arguments.

    – Fanatical Cultists –
    Succumbed long ago to favorable media portrayals of Putin (riding bare chested on horseback, appearing at Judo completions, on Siberian hunting safaris, congratulating Olympic athletes) and now worship him as a demigod, tough guy, “4D chess player”, who cannot do anything wrong. Respond like paid trolls when confronted with information tchallenging their delusions. Will incur a mental breakdown when Putin is replaced.

    – Dedicated Ideologues –
    Spent much time studying economics or political “science” and were disappointed by the collapse of communism, for not having been implemented properly; now disenchanted by unregulated financial market excesses of contemporary neo-liberalism, money supply distortions. Disgusted by globalist policies and cultural degeneracy in America and Europe, they entertain hopes that authoritarian Putin will provide a suitable alternative.

    – Russian Chauvinists –
    Ethnic Russians or Russian speaking Jews with a sense of nostalgia toward, and lingering duty to support, “Mother Russia” because they have consumed too much one-sided Russian propaganda already. They may have moved to the West, where they feel like outsiders, and have not shaken off a supremacist and totalitarian frame of mind, so that associating with Putin is easier than indulging in the complexities of democracy.

    – Binary Simpletons –
    A cohort that is easiest to influence with false propaganda and brainwashing techniques. Their limited dichotomous perspective essentially reduces to good or evil, black or white, for or against. They merely need to be told or reminded that this or that is bad and will then reflexively support “the other side” without further though or analysis. Dissatisfied with current America, they have simplistically concluded Russia must be better.

    – Average Airheads –
    Basically open-minded and curious, even perceive themselves as educated or intelligent, but in reality are credulous and conformist; also incapable of critical thinking or basic logical reasoning and therefore easily misled by false assertions, or premises, into believing nonsensical propositions, which they will repeat reflexively. Unlike those in other cohorts, they are open to revising their opinions if presented with cogent arguments.

    • Agree: simple mind
    • Replies: @j2
    , @emerging majority
  31. j2 says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Agreed, but those categories you mentioned easily come to over 100% in UNZ and that’s a mathematical contradiction.

  32. Stogumber says:

    The author gives an unsympathetic image of the older generation in Russia. He leaves the impression that the younger generation – as represented by him – is even worse (even less prepared to accept people who deviate from their own mind).

  33. Hitch says:

    Eastern European “Sovoks” are often united in their nostalgia for Judeo-Communism and in their hatred of Russia. Jews love to divide nations, cultures and populations sated for conquest and destruction. They use divide and conquer in anyway possible, whether it be race, religion, age, gender or even historical enmities, real or perceived.

    One of their favorite tools for dividing these target populations is the use of terror acts, especially against air transportation. Hijackings and shoot downs are an old standby, especially since WWII. One really shouldn’t have to look past the 9/11 psyop, but there are so many key events revolving around air tragedies that divide and pivot host populations that it is hard to list them all. Vicennes incident/shoot down, TWA flight 800, Korean Air flight 007, Lockerby, etc.

    I used to consider the downing of MH17 in 2014 to be the beginning of this current war against Russia. Of course this was a deep state operation, and the way the media instantly pinned it on Russia and drowned out any flow of information or unbiased review of the facts is proof enough that this was committed by Ukraine with NATA/CIA/MOSSAD guidance. In fact it was after MH17 that all sanctions against Russia really got going, another sign that it was a psyop and deep state operation. Additional proof was that all the motives for this downing were on the Ukrainian side, while all the motives for preventing this psyop were on the Russian side.

    However, it was the Smolensk air disaster where the false flag terrorist attacks against Russia really got going. This was another case where Russia had absolutely no motive for “downing” the Polish Jet, on its way for a Katyn Forest commemoration, but NATO, the US MIC and even the Khazarians did. Clearly, Russia and Putin were trying to build cultural bridges back to Poland. In hind sight we can see clearly who wanted to divide Russia and Poland and to prevent any kind of reconciliation. Clearly this even also served as a psyop for all of Eastern Europe to prevent any building of trust or reconstruction of Slavic unity. This shoot down has all the hallmarks of a Judaic false flag, and is really even more crass than the assassination of the Arch Duke Ferdinand, Tsar Alexander or even Lincoln.

    I mention this on this tread because it is these artificially instigated events that cement generational attitudes into an unmovable foundations. Clearly for Poland and Eastern Europe the Smolensk air disaster caused deeply rooted hate and mistrust, and likely this is a generational pivot point for much of Eastern Europe that will foster enmity for anyone alive at the time of the psyop.

    Of course MH17 surely served the same purpose, but in a smaller fashion, for Russia. Of course so would have the Odessa massacre in 2015 or even the Maidan square protester assassinations.

    The point I am trying to make here is that so many defining moments in our history are not only false, but were created by the kabbalistic mind control experts who now have a massive electronic and chemical Tikkun Okam tool box to use to steer, warp, corrupt and change history. As always, one of their primary goals is to divide peoples and foster hatred between groups of goyim. This division is in and of itself one of their primary goals and the reason why our societies and cultures have been tormented and suffocated for so many centuries.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  34. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    There are several generation gaps in the USA. The first is the gap between the “older folks” and the “young pups” but its real cause is nothing like the author portrays. The gap is the result of older folks using their head and the younger folks being as dumb as fuck.

    The other major gap is of course the black/ white gap. Whites get on with it while blacks, even the most successful, go on and on with their victimhood.

    UR readers can identify many other “gaps” wherein the whole of our society is divided for one reason o the other.

    All this is overseen and encouraged by a bunch of political dunces and buffoons. Change is coming soon, that is to say, the gaps will widen and things will get worse before they get worst.

  35. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    The girl holding Stalins pic is barely legal. Don’t drink hard liquor kids.

  36. @Been_there_done_that

    Since you are always talking about all kinds of agreements, stressing how important it is to follow all kinds of treaties, please explain how come you consider the city of Königsberg to be illegally occupied.

    At the Potsdam Conference in 1945 the Allies and the Soviet Government agreed on the settlement:

    The Conference has agreed in principle to the proposal of the Soviet Government concerning the ultimate transfer to the Soviet Union of the City of Koenigsberg.

    The U.S. President Harry Truman and the British Prime Minister Clement Attlee declared that they would support the proposal of the Conference at the forthcoming peace settlement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad#World_War_II

  37. @RobinG

    To be honest the Russian cinema used to be great. Now it is not. There have been perhaps a dozen of good flicks since the collapse of the USSR.

    Ever since then the culture has been degrading. Not only the cinema but also the literature and the music – everything.

  38. It’s convenient to get the nation/people/ethnicity that you want to destroy to mutually despise and even hate each other.

    Using manufactured generational cohorts is an efficient method for such people — Boomers, Generation X etc; I believe this started with the manufactured term “teenager” and the ikons that young people were (((taught))) to emulate, the fatuous american movie Rebels without a Cause and indeed Rebels without a Pause …

    So instead of “Honour thy father and thy mother”, you can now pour scorn on them.
    And you will be publicly applauded (by some) for so doing.

    Dave McGowan did sterling research on who was behind the Hippie “rebellion”.
    Before he was killed, he did his country USA a great service. Respect. R.I.P.
    It seems wise to look into these matters before rushing out to obey the latest fad.
    Because such fads are not always harmless, indeed seldom are they so.

    https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/inside-the-lc-the-strange-but-mostly-true-story-of-laurel-canyon-and-the-birth-of-the-hippie-generation-part-i/

  39. Do people exist for the system or the system for the people?

  40. ariadna says:
    @Exile

    “Bring back credible Russian political analysis”? You mean publish unopposed sovok? Then you can depart and go to the Saker. The Saker is the pre-eminent sovok voice, more blatantly so since the Saker himself left for self-declared health reasons and the site is ‘moderated’ and led by some hyper-sovok women. Not even the mildest regret for the cancellation of Solzhenitsyn, who dared criticize the Soviet system, is allowed in comments. Their sitreps, however, are a lot more credible than any garbage pumped daily by the MSM. If you’re not all in on the sovok revisionist history of the Soviet Union (or rather an official re-instalation of it) you are a… guess what? A “nazi’! If the diversity of views allowed by UNZ bothers you, you can stick to the Saker.

    • Replies: @Exile
  41. ariadna says:
    @KDB71

    “I am kind of soft for Ceausescu”
    Why?

    • Replies: @KDB71
  42. Damn us boomers. If only we had more kids to demographically replace us sooner rather than later. If we had, Eastern Europe would finally be under the control of the obviously superior Eurovision generations. Good news has it that Poland is getting there slowly but surely, while poor beleaguered Ukraine has already got there. We boomers never had control of the cultural entertainment of the world unless you are saying we are somehow all Jewish. Not sure how that works, but I did learn racist math or something. The thing that baffles me is you kiddos all think you are more evolved then us boomers, and yet you accuse us of the very same sentiment. Anyway didn’t the boomers of Eastern Germany tear down the Berlin Wall? Or doesn’t that count in this article? Generational blame game articles are so screwy they deserve an equally goofy response.

    • Replies: @ebear
    , @Figmund Fraud
  43. @Here Be Dragon

    …explain how come you consider the city of Königsberg to be illegally occupied.

    I have addressed this question multiple times in detail. My initial message at this site touched on this topic more than four years ago, so I refer you to the comment archives for in depth information, including links and statement by Putin in an interview, and reports of Russia wanting to return it to Germany in return for relinquishing debt.

    With regard to the following quote:

    “…would support the proposal of the Conference at the forthcoming peace settlement.”

    The language makes clear that this was a conditional statement of intent that was superseded by the United Nations Charter a few weeks later, which reaffirmed the essence of the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928 that forbids the acquisition and annexation of territory gained by conquest. A peace treaty did not take place. This territory was never historically a part of Russia, nor was it ever formally ceded to it. The USSR only temporarily administered this region. It was obliged to rvacate it at the latest when the USSR ceased to exist.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  44. @Observator

    Like niggers who cling to Wakanda, so do these subhumans cling to the Holohoax-based worldview.

    They will ALWAYS remain underdeveloped and inferior. I’m pro Asia more than pro diehard, true believer commie mongol subhumans.

  45. ariadna says:
    @GMC

    “Haven’t seen a hit piece on the Russian folks like this since Obama and his NeoCons took over Kiev in 2014. ”
    Gross and unfair mischaracterization.

    “Granny with the red CCCP flag – shows that the Russians can say and do things – only the Americans , can dream about. Especially with all the Lack of Freedoms in the USA ”
    No freedom of expression in sight there. The Russian can worship the hammer and sickle red flag because it is the official cult now. Can they praise Solzhenitsyn nowadays? Can they bring up Ilya Ehrenburg’s contribution to the war crimes committed by the Red Army against the civilian German population AFTER Germany was defeated? Can they quibble about the Holocaust™ enterprise, in which they insist on being the senior partner (“I’ll see your 6 million and raise you 26 million”)?

    “I’d buy a Tee shirt with Babooshka waving her red flag – much better than a Che t-shirt.”
    Both choices show identical poor judgment and poor taste.

    • Thanks: Petermx
    • Replies: @GMC
  46. @Kurt Knispel

    Great synopsis, I’ll try and find the time to follow up!…While waiting for the doom in the US.

  47. @Kurt Knispel

    So, did the Jew do the things he was accused of or not? Is he the devil incarnate or an angle?

    • Replies: @Kurt Knispel
  48. Anymike says:
    @The Alarmist

    When the local PBS stations does its annual fundraiser, out come the World War II, Civil War, labor wars and noble civil rights struggle features, and Americana about cowboys, Indians and settlers.

    When the telethon ends, it’s back to BLM, Antifa and the AIDS quilt.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Anon
  49. Petermx says:
    @anonymous

    It has nothing to do with being admirers of the USSR or Stalin. It has to do with having a life with more security and probably a feeling of belonging (nationalism). I was in eastern Germany five and again four years ago and asked some people how life was like in East Germany but Stalin had died in 1953. They said life was good but I’m sure it had nothing to do with Stalin. Everyone had a job and there was more security.

  50. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Post-Soviet old-timers also have an economic interest in being pro-Communist/Socialist considering that they now collect checks from the government to fund their retirement — something that they were promised during the ancien régime and which they hold modern politicians accountable for delivering on.

    Your theory is flawed. This “ancient regime” ended more that 30 years ago so the cohort you’re complaining about overwhelmingly consists of people who were in their productivity prime (20-40 year-olds) when the Soviet Union collapsed. So the retirement promises were made by the post-ancient regimes (“modern” politicians, in your words) and made to the people who were expected to take a pay cut in order to secure those pensions.

    Your caricature only works if half the country consists of 100-year-olds and that’s obviously not the case. I’m no Russian but the average life expectancy is unlikely to be 120. It’s also not good form to mock these old-timers for worshipping WW2 heroes while you’re getting wet over Obama and Navalny. Lol!

  51. Petermx says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    I consider it stolen, like much of the land Poland has after 20 million Germans were driven off their lands that now are held or occupied by Lithuania, Russia, Poland and the Czech Republic.

  52. Anymike says:
    @Dumbo

    Don’t worry. It can’t happen here.

  53. Anymike says:
    @Hitch

    Bill Clinton was the most egregious political failure in the English-speaking world since Henry VIII. It’s about assets. And how they were squandered.

  54. j1 says:

    The most lost and traitorous generation of Russians are the young russians from big cities. They are spoiled cosmopolitans.

  55. Trinity says:

    The generation gap and the hippie movement were started by people with names like Rubin, Ginsburg, etc. Raunchy, decadent comedy was started by people like Lennie Bruce. Shit no talent music was started during the same time by people like Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen. Feminist movement? You guessed it, another hook nose small hat Khazar named Steinem. (((Ayn Rand))) told Whitey to be an individual while ((( Norman Lear))) poked fun at old White working class folk.

    (((Same people))) from the sixties and seventies still using the same playbook teaching zoomers to blame their shortcomings on boomers. The Khazar/Jew isn’t that imaginative or very bright so why is Whitey so stupid to keep falling for this Jew horseshit?

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  56. ariadna says:

    Brilliant analysis, thank you.
    Even before the sovok fervor swept over Russia with renewed vigor after the start of the SMO in Ukraine, it was clear that there was an almost unbridgeable chasm between the Russians and the “collective West.” Dialog is impossible when not only semantics stand in the way of accurate translation but distinct version or history and different fundamental concepts stand in the way of meaningful mutual understanding.
    The two sides agree that
    (1) the superlative of the mother of all pejoratives is “Nazi.”
    (2) the 3rd Reich was Nazi.
    (3) 6 million Jews were exterminated by the “original” Nazis.
    That is where commonality of the worldview of both sides ends. From there on, there are nazis everywhere but rarely vetted by both sides.
    In many ways the US and sovok Russia are mutual mirror images: Americans who consider themselves “the indispensable nation” expect nations upon which they performed “regime change” to be grateful for the gift of democracy. Sovok Russians who see themselves as the liberators of Europe from the “Nazis” expect Eastern European nations to be grateful for being made satellites of the SU, with communist regimes imposed upon them by the Soviet tanks of “liberators.”
    Glorification of the Soviet Union may work wonders in uniting the Russians under a slightly modified ideology (communist but rinsed of atheism and sanctified by the Orthodox Church) but can only push Eastern European nations deeper into the embrace of “collective West.”

    • Thanks: Petermx
  57. Fred777 says:
    @Hitch

    The problem appears to be easily controlled, weak minded goys.

  58. ariadna says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “I see Islam as the corrected version of Christianity”
    You may, with all the breathless enthusiasm of the convert, but don’t expect any non-Muslims to agree with you and not even many Muslims, for whom the mere comparison is an affront.
    Isn’t anyone else tired of this “open” everything? Openly gay, openly [insert religious affiliation]…
    I’d love to live in a world/society where importuning strangers with your unsolicited sexual or religious self-descriptions and advocacies would be considered in bad taste. The need for such “sharing” can be satisfied in one’s “communities.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @JM
  59. @anonymous

    Not just in Warsaw pact countries.
    In Yugoslavia, the nostalgia is very real as well. Especially Bosnia, I’d say, but very common in other countries as well. Just check youtube comments (those that don’t feature Serb vs Croat love-ins).
    But here it’s almost as common in younger generations as the older ones.
    The least nostalgia is among the 60 – 75 age group because they were the ones who changed the system and clearly most people cannot admit mistakes.

  60. @American Bulwark

    His God is the fallen angel.
    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” John 8:44

  61. Sparkon says:
    @Dumbo

    Man, and I thought boomers were a problem only in America! 😀

    Perhaps it’s a generation that has been cursed worldwide. Perhaps it was caused by some cosmic or astrological reason, such as the peak of the solar minimum during that period, or Saturn positioning itself over Uranus.

    A generation that was cursed by World War Two, that is.

    You shouldn’t need any “cosmic or astrological reason” to at least begin to understand what effect it had on those who lived through WWII, and how the survivors felt when that horrible war was finally over, especially those unlucky enough to have been close to the action and under the gun.

    Many Soviet citizens saw death and devastation all around them, up close and personal, an experience not unusual in the Soviet Union, but other than Pearl Harbor, a bloody, deadly experience entirely absent in the United States by the conclusion of the war.

    I don’t know how there could have been much of a real baby boom in the Soviet Union after WWII, when one considers how many of her young men had been killed during the war. By contrast and in comparison, U.S. losses were relatively light, resulting in a flood of young, horny GIs returning from overseas in late 1945, my dad and uncle among them.

    Soviet combat losses in WWII were almost 30x greater than what was experienced by the United States. Officially, 291,557 American GIs perished in the war, while Soviet military deaths are said to be 8,668,400, but the USSR’s total losses may have been more than 3x that, i.e. approaching 30 million deaths during the GPW, losses which must have included at least some women of child-bearing age.

    My understanding is there was a significant increase in the number of unwed mothers and so-called “out of wedlock births” in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the aftermath of the Great Patriotic War. Executive summary: not enough men to go around.

    There was an estimated number of “26 to 27 million, or roughly 13.5% of the prewar population”, victims. “The sex ratio fell dramatically for individuals born in the 1920s and reached a low of 0.60 for women born in 1924″. And this “relative scarcity of men continued to profoundly affect women’s lives: women were less likely to marry, more likely to give birth out of wedlock, and more likely to be divorced in the birth cohorts and regions facing the greatest shortages of men”

    https://p-hunermund.com/2017/03/01/how-wwii-changed-family-life-in-soviet-russia-and-probably-elsewhere-too/

    You seem breezily unaware of the war’s impact, both on those who fought it, and on those born in its aftermath, but the experience was different in each country, the effect of the war was different on each country, just as the prevailing conditions were different in each country, as well.

    American children born in the war’s aftermath are the only real Baby Boomers, and we had an entirely different experience in the post-war period than did children growing up in other countries, but that began to change to some small degree as American TV programs began to penetrate foreign markets, and television’s plastic vision of faux America was spread around the world.

    However, the biggest effect of the boob tube was at home, and the target market for a lot of it was the Baby Boomer generation, just ask Kookla, Fran and Ollie.


    L-R: Kookla, Ollie, Fran

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  62. “Queen_quer_fumb_that”
    The corrupt rulers of North-America, the EUSSR and the Japanese whore are against Russia; a minority in the world at large.
    https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-CRISIS/SANCTIONS/byvrjenzmve/
    The real Orthodox World has her heart set on Russia succeeding.
    Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Serbia…Russia liberated those countries.

    [MORE]


    They still remember today too!
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/La5MeDl9n2o
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/abRAAp1zTUE
    Most of the world is for Russia and “has a memory like an elephant” as Lavrov recently said in regard to “The West” threats against India and its loyalty with Russia.
    Recent Videos from open support from Berlin:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CpUSeqRAnts

    • Replies: @Petermx
  63. West is about appeasing Jews.

    Even if the appeasement hurts the West, appeasing Jews is more important.

    It’s like religious folks prioritize worshiping gods more than everything, even if the gods make demands harmful to mankind.

    Jews want Europe flooded by nonwhites, so Europeans go along. Jews demand anti-Russian hatred, and West goes along(despite economic costs).

    If not for the Jewish factor in Ukraine, no one would care. Anglucks and whites in the West have no agency. They are dogs always appeasing their Jewish master.

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Replies: @dimples
  64. KDB71 says:
    @ariadna

    He was obviously no believing communist and always pursued an independent course. His wife was the only person he ever slept with and he died by her side. He successfully banned abortion, contraception, and divorce – America needs a steel-willed strongman like him to decapitate the feminist gorgon. Plus he had an endearing, winsome smile.

    • Replies: @awry
    , @ariadna
  65. Russian boomers are not much different than American boomers. Different ideology but same mindset.

    They want to keep their minds in a fantasy world of idealism and can’t be bothered with reading contradictory information on the internet.

    What they want is for PutinTV/Fox/CNN to spoon feed them what they want to hear.

    Just look at how dopey American boomers still haven’t figured out that “gun crime” is actually Black crime. As a kid I knew that the media was lying about Black crime but boomer liberals still want to believe that the guns are the problem.

    Conservative boomers still hold out for some leave it to beaver fantasy but with Bantu Bobby. Just need a few tax breaks ‘n Christian schools and those thousands of years of racial separation will disappear. Yea any day now guys. Just put that Bob Dylan back on and keep waiting.

    Boomers are children in adult bodies. Once I learned this I found it much easier to talk to them. You just let them talk and nod as if their childish take on the world is accurate.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Johann Ricke
  66. @The Alarmist

    “If you watch any UK TV, you’re bound to see no shortage of programming dedicated to how Britain won WW2”

    To be more specific you’ll see no shortage of programming dedicated to how women of colour won WW2 for Britain.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  67. @Kevin Barrett

    Generally, I find Mr. Barrett’s comments to be sensible and to the point. We differ, however, in his Islamic beliefs. Though there are spiritual currents infusing the pre-Islamic Sufi tradition, which did accommodate itself to doctrinal Islam–on the surface at least; mainstream Islam, whether the somewhat less egregious Shia formulation or the tending towards absolutist Sunni majority, do tend to stick in my craw.

    Why, one might ask, do I maintain aversion towards Islam? It happens to be an Organized Religion. Like all organized religions, Islam is all about mind-control. Circumcision, which was not propagated by Muhammed, can only be culturally acceptable by myself and many others, if it happens to be totally a matter of informed personal choice on the part of a sufficiently mature individual.

    Whether it is imposed upon an 8 day old infant, as is the custom among Judaics; or at only a matter of a few hours old which is still majoritarian in the U\$\$A; Muslims do the dirty deed at anywhere from a three year old toddler to a “big boy” of age eight. Psychosexually, the Muslim practice is less harmful than among Judaics or semi-civilized Americans…but it is still a matter of social imposition against there inherent rights of an individual.

    My primary grief with Islam is that the very word means “submission”. As the descendant of Vikings who battled the imposition of the false religion of Christianity upon the country folk of Northern Europe; my spirit absolutely opposes ANY tradition which insists upon submission to either of the two primary forms of slavery—whether to the state or to religionist supremacy. Thus, is the basic tenet of Islam=submission to a manmade god-concept—anethema to my spirit—along with all other forms of imposition by religious diktat.

    As we are spirits, living in a material dimension during this particular lifetime; we should consider the words of Jesus, the great spiritual Wayshower: “The Father is within”. All life is a part of the One. Creator needs no “believers”, rather that we heed that voice within and become co-creators in our own manners.

  68. But if you do the bidding of Jews, you’re okay.

  69. RobinG says:
    @ariadna

    “I see Islam as the corrected version of Christianity”
    You may, with all the breathless enthusiasm of the convert, but don’t expect any non-Muslims to agree with you and not even many Muslims, for whom the mere comparison is an affront.

    “I’d love to live in a world” where people w/o a clue kept their mouth shut.

  70. Petermx says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    I’m assuming that video from Berlin is not phony, that it’s real. I was under the impression they would arrest someone who openly supported Russia. I’m glad if this is true and real. I guess I support Russia because the US, Germany and others are led by despicable liars, seemingly intent on starting WW III. I actually don’t favor one side over the other. I would just like the war to end so Europe can move on. One thing though is I find the display of the Soviet hammer and sickle flag on a parade in Germany an insult to the millions of Germans that fought against that monstrosity. Let Americans and Jews celebrate that flag but today’s Germans spit on the graves of their grandparents and great grandparents and that is why Germany is turning into a shit hole. The Soviet flag is also an insult to the two million German women raped by the Red Army at the encouragement of Ilya Ehrenburg. How would the idiots carrying that flag feel if I hoisted Germany’s flag with the swastika and marched in Moscow with it? They don’t even know carrying a Soviet flag in Germany is an insult so in a way they can’t be blamed and that is a problem too.

    • Replies: @Kurt Knispel
  71. This sounds pretty familiar, except that the Soviets were less sophisticated about what they were doing. More honest, even?

  72. @emerging majority

    Usually when White people support Islam they don’t know much about it. They assume the three major religions are all similar but with a few minor changes as if they are different music genres. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The unnerving aspects of Islam aren’t discussed in the MSM because it is on the protected list. You will get banned from the mainstream if you go over their beliefs in detail.

    For example Porky pig coffee cups have been banned in British government offices because they are so offensive. Muslims are offended by pigs and images of anything alive which means Porky is practically satanic.

    Yes a cartoon pig is deeply offensive to them. Same with the show Peppa Pig.

    Toilets have actually been re-aligned to please Muslims. This is extremely expensive since bathrooms are designed to have toilets in a fixed position due to the plumbing.

    But if you want to sign on for a religion that is offended by cartoon pigs or toilets facing towards mecca then go ahead. Most Whites will never sign up to give up pork and dogs only to spend half the day praying on your knees to a God that is fine with child marriage. So idealizing Islam in regard to a single aspect like birth rates is a waste of time.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Sebastian Hawks
  73. @Been_there_done_that

    Done-There is the singularly #1 pilpul-pusher infesting this site. Oh, he seems so very polite and reasonable…but be mindful of when the velvet gloves are pulled off. One can read between the lines and readily discern an agenda.

    One example only: In the last paragraph he makes the accusation that those who oppose the Bank\$ter/Talmudist agenda as “incapable of critical thinking or basic logical reasoning”. Now, does that not appear to be logical and reasonable and politically correct?

    Devious and deceptive.

    It is evident that Pilpul-Pusher has been a devout student of Edward Bernays, the father of public relations and perpetual propaganda…and of Bernays’ most devout acolyte: Josef Goebbels.

    • Replies: @dimples
  74. @Hitch

    Excellent posting…a must read for all those who have wondered at the deeper background behind many of these aerial engineered disasters.

    Interestingly, they have even done it to those noble Jews who are not part of the Sanhedrin/Babylonian Talmudist multi-generational scheme aimed at total global domination.

    Prime example: The downing of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane on its approach to the Eveleth, Minnesota airport, some two weeks before Election Day, when the populist Democrat (now a near total-oxymoron) was on his way to electoral victory over “fellow” Jew Rudy Botchwitz.

    Wellstone first won his seat in the Senate by running against the establishment Democrat Former Labor Party approved candidates. A professor at Carleton University, Wellstone campaigned in a bus, attending county fairs and other gatherings throughout the state. He made his own news and was appreciated by everyday Minnesotans who recognized him as an independent voice, not some highfalutin, rootin-tootin aristocrap, constantly mouthing bromides and habitually wearing suit and tie.

    People intuited, sensed, that Wellstone was for real. Like everyday Minnesotans voting for Jesse Ventura against a pair of suits; Paul Wellstone, who stood out in the Senate as the primary opponent to the Bu\$h Crime Clan’s push for aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq; happened to be a major stumbling block for the Deep \$tate agenda.

    Even though Jewish by birth, Wellstone had to be eliminated. He truly was the living incarnation of a Mensch.

  75. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    The Saker is “credible” Russian political analysis? The dude censors 90% of his comments. It’s one of the most philo-Semitic Judeocentric blogs that exists. His pandering to Jewish sensibilities even outdoes the New York times or even Likud.

    • Replies: @Hoyeru
  76. Sparkon says:
    @John Johnson

    Russian boomers are not much different than American boomers. Different ideology but same mindset.

    Nonsense!

    Boomers are children in adult bodies.

    The pot calls the teacup black.

  77. RobinG says:
    @John Johnson

    Muslims are offended by pigs and images of anything alive…

    So, you’re an idiot as well as a troll. It’s stupidity like this (and toilets, lol) that prompted me to actually read the Quran. It’s like a real Putin speech vs. what US MSM alleges he said. See for yourself. (Not speaking to johnjohn here. He knows he’s lying.)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  78. @emerging majority

    I have no problem with Islam in Islamic countries. Each to his own. However major problems arise when the number of Muslims in a non-Muslim country reaches critical mass. This leads inevitably to problems…..as can be seen everywhere in the world where this happens. Muslims don’t do living in harmony with their neighbours except when they represent the overwhelming majority. In such circumstances said neighbours have learned to keep their heads well down for their own good.

  79. I dunno, the babushka whose Soviet flag was trampled by the Ukranian soldier and who subsequently refused food from same soldier has become somewhat of an icon (LOL) on pro-Russian social media, including Gen-X and millennial accounts.

  80. Hoyeru says:

    what a pile of steaming bullshit this so called “article” is. UNZ once again proved that most of its so called “articles” has to be just skimmed over and not be taken seriously.

    Gulags? Let’s talk about them then. Gulags are a meme created by the West to show how “evil” the Soviet union was. Sure, there were prisons for political prisoners. And there were many political prisoners in the Soviet union. just like to so called West has them. USA just “celebrated” its 80th anniversary of its incarcerations of the Japanese Americans. The West ALWAYS projects and accuses the other side of what it is doing. Its the American Indians who were put into gulags at the harshest conditions possible and concentration camps to be exterminated. But since most of people’s knowledge of history ends at WWII, they forget all those facts.
    Navalny winning? ONG! The author just showed how completely ignorant of his subject he is. Forget it, no more time top waste with this shit.

    I should ALWAYS remember to just skim all those UNZ articles. As usual, Theodore’s Sturgeon’s law applies: 95% of all UNZ articles are crap.

  81. Hoyeru says:
    @anon

    Some of us call his by his other name: The Faker. He cannot stand to be told he is wrong. I quit reading his site long time ago. No time to waste with his shit.

  82. j1 says:
    @emerging majority

    Islam is the only non organized major religion. This is a very important part of Islam. That perhaps excludes the Shiite in Iran which act like papists.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  83. gT says:

    First off the collectivization process was largely completed by the start of WW2. And if it was not for the collectivization and industrialization kicked off by the Soviets after WW1, the Soviets would never have been able to resist the German might during WW2.

    Then it seems only the Blacks and the Indians (dot) seem able to make babies these days, so if you want babies you have to become either Black or Indian, not a very progressive move in my opinion.

    I quite like the sound of these Sovoks, they are most definitely better than GloboHomo. There is room for growth and improvement with these Sovoks, but not with GloboHomo. The author does allude to this in his article.

    But Nationalism is a good thing, the Chechens made the mistake of thinking that they were Chechen and not Russian, now they know that they are Chechen and Russian. The Ukraine is now learning a similar lesson.

    • Replies: @gT
  84. Kim Iversen: Former NATO Analyst & Top UN Official Says THIS Is The REAL Reason For War In Ukraine

  85. @Been_there_done_that

    Well what is your definition of being historically a part of something?

    Königsberg had been a part of Poland, and Prussia and the Russian Empire, for some time, too. “On 24 January 1758, the leading burghers of Königsberg submitted to Elizabeth.”

    From that point of view most nations are living on some other nation’s land. Name the countries that were not established as a result of a war. And although my opinion is that Russia does not need Königsberg it can only be returned as a gesture of good will, and on the conditions that Russia would find acceptable.

    The Germans had capitulated and had the Russians wanted that, they could have annexed the whole of East Germany as well as other countries like Romania. The damage done was so severe the Russians have a demographic problem to this day. However they did not do that. They did not want it.

    And the problem is that you keep presenting all of the Russian history as something horrible and unfair and illegal, because you are a Baltic troll having nothing better to do with your miserable life, sitting here all day long lying, spreading bullshit, igniting hate.

    Below there is a treaty and the reference and the link and the article, which proves you are a troll not knowing what he is talking about. The USSR was not obliged to evacuate from Königsberg – quite the opposite, the German government has stated that it has no claim to it, and has renounced in international law any right to it.

    Naked Soviet POWs in Mauthausen concentration camp.

    Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany

    The Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, or the Two Plus Four Agreement, is an international agreement that allowed the reunification of Germany in the early 1990s.

    It was negotiated in 1990 between the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic, and the Four Powers which had occupied Germany at the end of World War II in Europe: France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, and the United States. In the treaty, the Four Powers renounced all rights they held in Germany, allowing a reunited Germany to become fully sovereign the following year.

    At the same time, the two German states agreed to confirm their acceptance of the existing border with Poland, and accepted that the borders of Germany after unification would correspond only to the territories then administered by West and East Germany, with the exclusion and renunciation of any other territorial claims – e.g., to the Kaliningrad Oblast.

  86. The parallels between the start of WW2 are so absurdly obvious that it is truly if this whole thing was planned.

    The actions of Poland, harrassing and terrorizing the German Free-City of Danzig after getting the nod of approval from western powers in London, stoked the fire of Nazis and so they promptly moved to liberate this area. The result brought the west into the war against Germany.

    Now, we have Poland again, at the behest of NATO, seeking annexation outside of its territory because of deluded Polish Nationalism and some perceived wrong against it.

    In both cases, you had a maverick force which would not play ball with the western system goaded into a war which will go global and take the lives of not just millions this time but billions.

    • Replies: @JM
  87. Amon says:

    although Alexey Navalny came close

    I stopped reading right there. No sense in reading an article written by someone who gets his talking points from the western alphabet soup propaganda outlets.

    Alexey Navalny is not popular in Russia. He is disliked for the same reason Boris Yeltsin is disliked. he is viewed as a man subservient to western looters who wishes to reduce Russian to a third world shit hole again. No one in Russia except the libertarian immigrants from the west would vote for a man like that.

  88. @RobinG

    I don’t know who the blonde woman is, but she looks a bit like his ex-wife Lyudmila.

  89. @Anymike

    Do they still weaponise children with Barney the Purple Dinosaur re-runs during fund-raisers?

    🎶I love you,
    🎶 You love me.
    🎶 This is not reality.
    🎶 Da da da da da da da da da.

    “Please daddy, don’t let them cancel Barney!”

    • Replies: @Anymike
  90. Dumbo says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    LOL. Maybe “the corrected version of Judaism”, as it has more similarities and was inspired more by it.

    • Replies: @JM
  91. @Here Be Dragon

    …you are a troll not knowing what he is talking about.

    So you consulted one article at Wikipedia and now consider yourself an expert to arrogantly pass judgement upon my knowledge and engage in unwarranted accusations. You are relying too much on the English Wikipedia article and are unfairly jumping to conclusions based on misleading information and simplistic reasoning. The technicalities of this unsettled issue are more nuanced than is stated in that article. For instance, neither the corresponding German nor French entries mention Königsberg.

    Months ago I had cited a legal scholarly article in English from a Lithuanian site that explained that Germany did not fully relinquish any and all claims. I had mentioned that Putin tacitly acknowledged in a Bloomberg interview (to which I had linked at a Kremlin domain) that the matter was not settled. If the matter were settled, neither Yeltsin or Putin would have made attempts to try to extract money from Germany in return for vacating it. Just because the issue remains dormant and has not received media publicity does not mean that Russia is legally entitled to occupy the territory.

    The German Wikipedia article cites a prior treaty in Moscow in 1970, in which West Germany expressed reservations pending a new regulatory mechanism in the context of a future peace treaty. This situation did not pertain to its relationship with Poland, with which concluded a pactum de contrahendo because the main issue at the time in 1990 was the common border between Germany and Poland. The issue of what Soviets and Russians refer to as Kaliningrad Oblast were not dealt with in the same manner of specificity, so a final settlement was deferred. Due to the difficulties associated with unification Germany was not even in a position to absorb this external area too.

    Furthermore, even if (hypothetically) Germany formally relinquished any and all future claims to that territory, this would not automatically give Russia the right to continue its occupation there, which is still in violation of basic international principles, which are important to uphold. The Russian occupation remains illegal. The Königsberg question is for Germany, Poland, and Lithuania to work out. It is conceivable that, instead of this region being reincorporated into Germany in the future, a new sovereign state, called Prussia, could be formed, likely to be neutral, multilingual, and surely a tax free haven for the purpose of stimulating the commercial basis for its future wealth generation; or it could be divided up between Poland and Lithuania.

    There is a right time for this issue to be conclusively resolved in the future, and then it will be all over the media. Once Russia is exhausted from its war of aggression there will surely be a regional demand for it to finally leave that area, and Russia’s leadership will say something like: no problem, it was a burden all along, had always been planning to withdraw anyway, never got around to it before.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  92. Petermx says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Your post is meaningless. That picture could be of something completely different than described. The allies have lied repeatedly, blatant lies, and they continue until this day. Wikipedia are among the biggest liars. The founder of Wikipedia himself says it is extremely biased. He has severely criticized it and the thing they lie about the most is WW II.

    Konigsberg was a German city founded by the Teutonic Knights (Germans) in 1255. Its population was always German until 1945-48 when 20 million Germans were driven off the lands they had lived on since as far back as 1255. Konigsberg may have been ruled by another country at one time, just as many other cities were, but it was always a German city. It was founded, built by and always populated by Germans and subsequent generations until much of central Europe was ethnically cleansed of Germans by driving them off and stealing their lands in 1945 -48.

    “The Germans had capitulated and had the Russians wanted that, they could have annexed the whole of East Germany as well as other countries like Romania.” What would they have done with the population there? So, they could have annexed it but would they have been able to hold onto it when the bankrupt USSR broke up? Since they couldn’t hold on to Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia or Ukraine, they would not have been able to hold on to East Germany either and eventually an enslaved population would have found a way to free themselves. You are the troll that posts lies from a discredited website with a horrible photo of who knows what. Those could be German soldiers. Those are the kind of lies the allies told repeatedly.

    The damage done to Germany was just as severe if not far more so than the USSR. Most of Germany’s cities were demolished with their populations deliberately exterminated. That was not done to Soviet cities. What makes the theft of Germany’s lands unique (1/3 of their country was stolen from Germany) is that the thieves then drove 20 million people off those lands, lands they had lived on since the middle ages, in the biggest ethnic cleansing in history – by far the biggest.

    And what if Germany did accept the new borders? Did they have any choice? If they decide to no longer accept the borders that will then be announced too. If there is any country that has taught the world that a treaty is only good as long as signatories accept it and a treaty can be broken at any time, it’s the Americans. They repeatedly end treaties. But I’m certain that if Germany ever does seek its lands back it will do so in as fair a manner as possible, completely unlike the murderous gangster allies that stole one third of the land Germany had and drove the 20 million people living there out of their homes and cities.

  93. “They have become a huge burden on the post-Soviet economy with their constant trips to state-subsidized clinics and demands for ever-increasing pensions paid for by a much smaller working-age demographic.”

    You would prefer that they quietly starve to death? Disgraceful.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  94. ebear says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    “Generational blame game articles are so screwy they deserve an equally goofy response.”

    Or no response at all, since it’s such a common theme, like an old joke told too many times.

    Humanity exists on a continuum – new people are added every day while old ones pass away. Society, likewise, evolves on a continuum with occasional sharp dislocations that affect everyone’s world view, not just a particular cohort. Focusing on such arbitrary boundaries is a common device used by pundits who lack the deeper insight to fathom human nature, but who nonetheless feel compelled to write about it.

  95. RJJCDA says:

    I have read that Hitler’s mother was a domestic in the employ of a Jewish Doctor. Speculation abounds.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  96. Overall, they’re a mixed bag, to put it lightly.

    Judging by that list of beliefs I’d say they’re total retards.

    In much the same way that myopic nationalists in the West deliberately associate their good ideas with the toxic brand of the Third Reich,

    Yeah except the Third Reich actually was a utopia because Hitler’s ideas worked, and they worked because they were based on reality and not the hysterical delusions of bloodthirsty Jew Bolsheviks.

  97. awry says:
    @KDB71

    As a Hungarian: Fuck that guy. But he was terrible to all Romanians also… empty shelves, no medical treatment above 70 (“you lived enough”), orphanages full, destruction of villages and moving villagers into commie blocks, electricity shortages (public lighting was turned off most of the time, TV broadcast was limited to like 2 hours daily etc.) … I could go on.
    He started as a somewhat nice guy, and his shtick was “strong independent national Communist leader, standing up to Moscow”, garnering a huge support from the West (they even sold military technology to the Romanians), but after visiting North Korea he and his wife found what they saw there so attractive, that they started to turn Romania into a version of North Korea in Europe.
    He made Romania repay its sovereign debt almost full, after 10 years of impoverishing the populace, only to removed by a “revolution” (coup in fact) at the finish line. Maybe the money lenders were happy too when he and his wife were shot.

    • Replies: @KDB71
  98. Thim says:

    My Virginia school textbooks, from the 60s and 70s explained in great detail how we won World War 2. The only mention of Russia was lend lease and the Hitler-Stalin pact. That is how we were “educated”.

  99. Notsofast says:

    if joseph stalin shaved his mustache he would look just like ronald reagan.

  100. @Been_there_done_that

    Yes no doubt the Lithuanian scholars can produce an article explaining anything they want, the same as Ukrainian historians produce books about Herodotus who praised their ancestors. The ancient Ukrainians waged a war on the Persian Empire and won.

    And of course you can decipher what was “tacitly acknowledged” in an interview and how much that matters. You Lithuanians have been undergoing the same brain treatment, no wonder that you and Ukrainians are becoming so much alike. Like twin brothers.

    And personally you, on top of that have a tendency to employ sophistry and are also insolent, arrogant and apparently not intelligent enough to understand how stupid you look when you are doing it. Here, read it once again – the original text. Viso Gero.

    The united Germany shall comprise the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, the German Democratic Republic and the whole of Berlin.

    Its external borders shall be the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic and shall be definitive from the date on which the present Treaty comes into force.

    The united Germany has no territorial claims whatsoever against other states and shall not assert any in the future.

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%201696/volume-1696-I-29226-English.pdf

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  101. KDB71 says:
    @awry

    You’re right. I don’t dispute any of that. But he waged a winning war on feminism, and unlike Stalin, he had probably never been an authentic Marxist at any point in his career. I don’t deny though that he was corrupt, heavy-handed, and a very poor economic steward.
    Still, what was done to him and his wife was unjust. What makes it even more shameful was that the new Romanian government banned the death penalty not even two weeks after their execution. I fully support the death penalty, but if you’re intending to ban it, it’s not ethical to say, “let’s get rid of these fuckers first.” You’re right, I wouldn’t be surprised if the moneylenders had a hand in it – in part for his bucking the global depopulation agenda.
    I appreciate your comment.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ariadna
  102. JM says:
    @ariadna

    Isn’t anyone else tired of this “open” everything? Openly gay, openly [insert religious affiliation]…
    I’d love to live in a world/society where importuning strangers with your unsolicited sexual or religious self-descriptions and advocacies would be considered in bad taste. The need for such “sharing” can be satisfied in one’s “communities.”

    This “sharing” is the mark of a cultist of a minor or major species. Eventually it wears off but in the meantime, others are bored shitless.

  103. JM says:
    @Dumbo

    Maybe “the corrected version of Judaism”

    I thought that was Christianity. In fact, both. Jews aren’t “comfortable” with either.

  104. JM says:
    @littlewing

    The parallels between the start of WW2 are so absurdly obvious that it is truly if this whole thing was planned.

    The actions of Poland, harrassing and terrorizing the German Free-City of Danzig after getting the nod of approval from western powers in London, stoked the fire of Nazis and so they promptly moved to liberate this area. The result brought the west into the war against Germany.

    Now, we have Poland again, at the behest of NATO, seeking annexation outside of its territory because of deluded Polish Nationalism and some perceived wrong against it.

    More than a little truth in this. Irony is there too, with Russia taking the place of Germany (and perhaps, vice versa).

  105. @John Johnson

    Boomers are children in adult bodies. Once I learned this I found it much easier to talk to them. You just let them talk and nod as if their childish take on the world is accurate.

    It ain’t mostly white boomers marching with BLM.

    • Agree: littlewing
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  106. @Petermx

    You have no idea where the photo comes from but you are sure that it must be from a discredited website. You want a reference – tell me, ask me! No problem – the German Federal Archives.

    Bild 192-208 – KZ Mauthausen, Sowjetische Kriegsgefangene
    https://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/dba/de/search/?query=Bild+192-208

    And you don’t know the history. Stalingrad was totally ruined, Kiev and Sevastopol were devastated and Leningrad was not only bombed to pieces but held in a blockade for two and a half years during which almost a million people died.

    Most of them died from hunger.

    And the number of casualties the Russians had is three-four times larger. And a lot larger in percentage. Although the Germans paid a high price for the war it was a lot more devastating for the Russians.

    You should have known that.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  107. Exile says:
    @ariadna

    All I’m hearing is REEEEE in a Slavic accent.

    Apparently my views (which you don’t know or bother to ask) aren’t part of the diversity you profess to admire here. Calling Navalny a fake hardly justifies this howling-monkey-response or your knee-jerk assumptions about what my other views of Russia are.

    Same with the other response. You’re both middle-finger-painting your picture of Saker in very simple colors.

    At least you didn’t descend to this level re: AK. There is hope for both of you.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  108. dimples says:
    @emerging majority

    “Done_that” is obviously highly educated but pushes out hilarious wank. If you disagree with this wank you are an, as in my case, a binary simpleton or an average airhead susceptible to false propaganda and brainwashing techniques. My guess is that he is an academic on the payroll of the DGB or similar, or polishing his credentials for future employment. Nobody could write such guff unless they are part of the state funded class.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  109. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for this, Rolo.

    I’m a Generation X American, and this article communicates things in a way I’m able to understand.

    I believe I’m starting to “get” a little bit of Russia now because of your efforts. Thanks again, and thank you, Ron!

  110. Gg Mo says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Wow ! Either a naive question, or a sly attempt to support/propogate the MYTH that the Moscow Patriarchate is legitimate , Segianism , Cheka, and the KGB have thoroughly slaughtered, scrubbed , and chased into the Catacomb , any true Orthodox in “Russia”.”Ptrch” Kirill follows Rabbi Lazar Chabad Lubavitch and the rest of the ((billionaire )) financers of the “Orthodox” Brand “Church” product. In partnership with Chabad “Ukraine” (though a legitmate-ish Church that false Ptrch” Bartholomew of Constantinople tries to “steal” Engineered Soap-opera Dialectics and all that…(GET IT ?The Broom and the hammer and sickle are PARTNERS ) They TOGETHER are orchestrating , with global ((leader)) assent, and building the “New Jerusalem” in “Ukraine” after a hearty blood sacrifice to , yes , Jewish/Islam’s common “god”.

    • Replies: @Gg Mo
  111. dimples says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Jews want Europe flooded by nonwhites, so Europeans go along. Jews demand anti-Russian hatred, and West goes along(despite economic costs.”

    I would normally agree with whatever Priss writes provided I have the time to read it all, but in this case Europe is being flooded with 5m+ white Ukrainian women who aren’t going back to their Ukrainian shithole unless forced. According to what I have read, Ukrainian women are supposed to be ‘hot’. Apart from the transmission of the Ukrainian insanity gene, what’s not to like? Have the Jews made a mistake in this case?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  112. Gg Mo says:
    @Gg Mo

    The middle east . handed to the UAE , Iran and Isreal/Palestine included. With pesky Christ following Caucasoids de-population in E/W Europe (and of course the continued de-pop of (REALLY) semite Christ-tians in the ME. in the name of PEACE ……..

  113. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @KDB71

    He stole everyone’s houses and resettled them in housing projects against their will, out of sheer ideological zeal (insanity). Meanwhile, he lived in a palace that made Versailles look like a McMansion.

    He was a monster. Shakespeare’s Macbeth seems like Jimmy Carter in comparison. He had it coming.

    • Replies: @KDB71
  114. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anymike

    The heck of it is, those things were Jewed U.S. 1.0, and the recent Woke junk is Jewed U.S. 2.0.

    The past 150 years of U.S. history is one or another Yid narrative. The Jews are always defining us, to our detriment.

  115. Trinity says:

    You have to wonder why a Black person would adopt Islam as his or her religion considering how Arabs treated Blacks in the African slave trade. And why on earth would a White person adopt the religion of Islam?????

    Well, you have to wonder which is worse?

    A Black person adopting the religion of Islam or a cuckold White doing the same? I guess we could ponder that the John Hagee muh Israel/muh Jew crowd might be suffering more from Stockholm syndrome aka cuckoldry. Close call. Given the choice of being one of the three, I would become a Hindu. Teehee

  116. KDB71 says:
    @Anon

    I don’t deny he was a bad guy, but he’s a bad guy I’d have a beer with, unlike Soros or Biden.
    And he was still better than (((Ana Pauker))) and her gang of antifa ghouls.

  117. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    Actually, the spelling is Kukla, not Kookla. I’d prefer to say I spelled it phonetically so the youngsters here wouldn’t mispronounce it as Cuckla, and you know they would.

  118. @Kurt Knispel

    Your comments about Russian cinema are strange to me. Russia has an incredible culture including an incredible cinematography. I can only recommend it.

    I agree 10,000%. Russia can claim an integral and formative part of film (and animation) history!

    Among others, The Voice of Russia was for me a part of the end of the diabolical West. It was refreshing what criticism the Voice initially accepted.

    I used to spend many hours in my younger days listening to shortwave broadcasts from Radio Moscow. Vladimir Pozner’s programmes were a regular part of my media diet.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  119. ariadna says:
    @KDB71

    He was a semi-illiterate imbecile who could not read polysyllabic words but had memorized the main marxist slogans to repeat. As a young apprentice to a shoemaker he could not learn the basics and in frustration hit his employer in the head and killed him, which is why he was in prison, not for political activity. Once in power he showed his insane megalomania: built a palace “of the people” bigger than the Pentagon, and decided to pay off the IMF debt at an accelerated pace by exporting everything, all the food. People starved to death. He started selling the minorities desperate to escape: the Schwabs in Transylvania (like the current president) to West Germany, the Greeks to Greece. Jews were sold to Israel for \$2,000 per head. He pursued no “independent course”– Romani was more stalinist than the SU during his rein of terror but he claimed to be pro-Palestinian and often had Arafat as a guest for weeks at a time in heavily bugged lodging and later sold the recordings to Israel.
    You admire him for his monogamy? The ugly thing had him under her thumb. He feared her as ddi everyone who was around her.
    Awry has it right, except for “nice guy at the beginning”)

  120. ariadna says:
    @KDB71

    “he had probably never been an authentic Marxist at any point in his career.”
    He was incapable of handling abstract concepts. He was an imbecile. Cunning like reptile though.

    “Still, what was done to him and his wife was unjust.;
    Coup d’etats are like that….

    • Replies: @KDB71
  121. @j1

    Sunni Islam is not organized hierarchically, with that I would agree with you. However, it does include fanatical elements such as the Wahabbis and Takfiris, both indigenous to the Saudi dictatorship. As military militants, they are highly organized and disciplined and are infamous for head-chopping and the destruction of historically valuable cultural artifacts which are the heritage of humanity in general.

    As for the Shiites, they are currently headed up by various ayatollahs and suchlike. My assessment of that phenomenon is primarily reactive to the slide into the worst aspects of woke Westernization inculcated by sources outside of their cultures.

  122. @RJJCDA

    A bit confused, but on the trail. Hitler’s grandmother was a maid-servant in the mansion of the head of the Rottenchild Crime Clan in Vienna. The master of the mansion was notorious in Viennese police circles for messing with the young girls in his employ.

    Miss Schicklegruber got knocked up by “someone” while in such employ. She promptly lit out for her home-town when she noticed that her “bleeding” had ceased. Back in the home village she quickly made nice to one Alois Hitler. The duped suitor soon asked for her hand in marriage. The ultimate product of that coupling was little Adolf.

    Thus, we can speculate on the basis of probable evidence that Hitler was not only a quarter Jewish, but also the spawn of a leading member of the Rottenchild Crime Clan. Once he became aware of that situation, he developed a form of self-hatred which explained a number of his quirks, such as his insisting upon becoming Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht where he blundered into military disasters such as Dunkirk, Stalingrad and the Kursk Salient, thus hastening the defeat of the 3rd Reich, much to the chagrin of the majority of his more talented generals.

    • Troll: Trinity
  123. KDB71 says:
    @ariadna

    All right, you schooled me, he was a psychopath.
    I recently read a new history of 20th century Romania called Children of the Night. The author fawns over the sadistic fanatic (((Pauker))) as this brilliant, humanistic moderate who was cruelly pushed aside by the oafish brutes Gheorghiu-Dej and Ceausescu. His philo-Semitic bias stank to high heaven. In the book’s coda he delivers a cringey paean to millennial yuppies whoring for multinational tech companies from Bucharest high-rises.
    I suppose I thought that if neocons/neolibs despise Ceausescu, then he can’t have been that bad, especially considering he eliminated abortion, contraception, and divorce.
    Same fallacy as the Russian sovki who praise the gulag. We’re all human.

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @ariadna
  124. ariadna says:
    @Exile

    “All I’m hearing is REEEEE in a Slavic accent.”
    You mean you hear voices?! And they screech at you in a Slavic accent? Sorry for you. I hope you don’t somehow hold me responsible.

    “Apparently my views (which you don’t know or bother to ask) aren’t part of the diversity you profess to admire here.”
    I responded to the views you expressed not to those you seem eager to expand upon. If you don’t like an author’s views, criticize them, write an article yourself from the opposite perspective, don’t whine petulantly.
    I don’t “profess” to admire diversity of opinion– obvious on this site. I do admire it. That does not exist on the Saker, which censors any non-sovok commentary, let alone publish any alternative view of it. You cannot deny this in the teeth of evidence.
    Navalny is a fake, obviously. A fraudster with minuscule approval rating built up by the MSM into the improbable great dissident? That’s ridiculous. Is that a problem for you?
    My “knee-jerk assumptions” about what your other views of Russia are? “Other views”? I made no such assumptions.

    “You’re both middle-finger-painting your picture of Saker in very simple colors.”
    You get carried away with your little metaphors. Sounds like using a richer array of colors would have been acceptable.
    Voices again? Who is “AK” that I join in being “both of you”?

    At least you didn’t descend to this level re: AK. There is hope for both of you.

    • Replies: @Exile
  125. RobinG says:
    @true.enough

    shortwave broadcasts from Radio Moscow

    I can still hear the call music. (although not ID it.)

  126. @Here Be Dragon

    …the original text.

    The terms in Article 1 (3) of the treaty do not contradict the illegality of the remaining occupation of the territory in question. (This seems too difficult for you to understand.) Since the only purpose of this occupation has been to serve as a military complex (navy, army, air force, missile placement) to threaten the Baltic countries there will be a demand for Russia to leave since it has no business being there. Russia’s insistence to stay there reflects an ongoing menacing intent, which provoked the initial conflict (NATO expansion) more than a quarter century ago. After Russia is exhausted from its war, a fair settlement will entail leaving the territory.

    • Troll: emerging majority
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  127. Petermx says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    I know much more than you. So, the photo comes from a German government website. They are among the biggest liars. Germany is a puppet state under American and Jewish control, in fact still under occupation. They are subservient to every other country in Europe and only act against another state when told (or expected) to do so, not on their own or out of self interest. Germans are among the biggest liars. They lie under the orders of Americans, Jews and others. That’s why they have so called Holocaust denial laws enforcing that lie and they jail old, but brave German women like 93 year old Ursula Haverbeck. That’s why many Germans may freeze to death this winter. They were forced to shut down the Nordstream II pipeline built with the Russians to bring gas to Germany and Europe.

    Here is just one of the many blatant lies exposed by historian David Irving.

    “RIDING in tandem with his unappetising lady friend Leah Rosh — she changed her first name from Edith and falsely put it about that she was Jewish in order to gain promotion to the highest echelons of the German television networks — Professor Eberhard Jäckel, head of the history department at Stuttgart University, produced one of the most glaring forgeries ever shown on German television screens.

    The Lies:For Part Three of their television documentary Der Tod, ein Meister aus Deutschland (broadcast on May 2, 1990) Jäckel and Rosh showed this photograph, while the commentator spoke these words: “Meanwhile, in 1941 tens of thousands of Jews are rounded up aboard cattletrucks in Romania and shipped to the gas chambers in Auschwitz.” The women carrying shopping bags, and the double-decker train to the left, were painted out.

    The Truth: The photograph comes from Hamburg railroad station archives in northern Germany. Taken in 1946, a year after the war ended, it shows hungry German civilians packed like sardines aboard coal trains on a shopping expedition to the Ruhr. A print was on display for many years in the Intercity Restaurant at Hamburg station, which may be where the forgers spotted it.”

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/people/Jaeckel/JaeckelFake2.html

    “Stalingrad was totally ruined, Kiev and Sevastopol were devastated and Leningrad was not only bombed to pieces but held in a blockade for two and a half years during which almost a million people died.

    Most of them died from hunger.”

    No comparison. They did not have their entire civilian population targeted for extermination, as the allies targeted Germans. This is one example – Hamburg. The allies did this all across Germany to virtually every city. 50,000 German civilians were deliberately murdered in Hamburg. That’s only about one third the minimum death toll in Dresden (135,000 people) almost two years later.

    1943 The Bombing of Hamburg – UNCENSORED German Film

    I am aware many Russians suffered very much in the war but there is a difference between civilians starving and being burned alive in their own cities and homes. One is murder. The other is not. That’s what the British and Americans did. The Soviet army didn’t do that. They gang raped 2 million German women (many were gang raped). The Americans and British also took part in raping German women but much less. All three also raped French women (Americans did this) and Soviets raped other east European women.

    “Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’”

    https://english.alarabiya.net/features/2018/03/11/PICTURES-The-largest-mass-rape-in-history#:~:text=Between%20the%20months%20of%20January,Reason%20Some%20Soldiers%20Commit%20Atrocities’.

    By contrast, many Soviet civilians, including Russians welcomed the German army as liberators from Jewish-Bolshevism. Norwegian academic Johannes Due Enstad has researched and written a book overturning 70 years of lies – Many Russians (in addition to Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Estonians and Lavians) hoped that Hitler would free them.

    https://www.hf.uio.no/ilos/english/research/news-and-events/news/2018/many-russians-hoped-that-hitler-would-free-them-fr.html

    Here is a film of Ukrainians in Lviv joining the Waffen SS in 1943. The Soviet government deliberately starved an estimated 8 million Ukrainians in 1932-1933 (but that’s only half of it) so many Ukrainians joined the German side to expel the Soviet murderers. Jews held many of the highest posts in the USSR.

    Lviv, Ukraine (known as Lemberg when it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire) welcomes the German army and young Ukrainian men join the fight (they formed the Galicia division) to fight against the people that had only recently killed millions of their people.

    “And the number of casualties the Russians had is three-four times larger. And a lot larger in percentage. Although the Germans paid a high price for the war it was a lot more devastating for the Russians.” No, another outright lie. There is no evidence to support the claim of 25 or 27 million Soviet dead just as there was no evidence to support the claim made by the Soviets (probably Jews) that 4 million people were murdered at Auschwitz. A sign was erected at Auschwitz shortly after the war ended citing this figure. About 45 years later, around 1990, that sign was torn down and the new death toll claimed was 1 million (still without any supporting evidence). The Auschwitz lie was reduced to 1/4 its size. The Soviet overblown death toll is still regularly cited. By contrast, when a serious Canadian researcher shows Americans (Eisenhower) killed an additional hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of Germans after the war was over he is attacked. The allies (and Germans) minimize what the allies did to German civilians.

    The old sign and the new sign. After erecting the new sign they reduced the figure further, to one million. We’ll see how much longer that lasts.

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/This-English-language-Birkenau-inscription-plaque-from-1967-is-one-of-20-plaques-in_fig20_249219815

    https://www.globalgadding.com/visiting-auschwitz/

  128. Petermx says:
    @KDB71

    LOL. She schooled me too. I once showed some sympathy for Ceausescu.

    • Replies: @KDB71
  129. @dimples

    Have you also noticed how when the bombs started falling in the Ukraine the Africans and Asians left in a hurry? Maybe all of the EU should get into the war and their coloured immigrants may also want to leave and avoid Russian missiles. I mean it’s not their fight wars between white people so why should they risk their lives hanging around? They mostly escaped their own countries to avoid wars. The only country that should stay out of the war and on friendly terms with Russia is Hungary as its border fences do a good job of keeping the immigrants out. So Russia would be doing a favour to the EU if its war on NATO drives out the immigrants.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  130. GMC says:
    @ariadna

    You must live in POland or Lithuania or some other US puppet state. Don’t worry – you’ll get part of that 40+ billion in order to poke the Bear some more.

    The Russian Federation is Not the Soviet Union , but you guys just can’t let it Go . The Russian army today shows incredible respect towards Ukrainian citizens, that aren’t tryin to kill them.. So when the Ukies show themselves torturing and killing Russian POWs – you guys are hootin it up – Ya Kill those Red Army MFers. Don’t forget to put a hit out on that Granny too.

    Most you folks BSn here never even been in a war , but you think it’s so easy to turn it all off and be goody two shoes as soon as it’s over with – it don’t happen that way – and it didn’t happen that way in WW I – WW II – Vietnam – Yugoslavia -Iraq – Afghanistan- Libya etc. Oh! the Red Army was sooo cruel. No shit and so is the the US Army – especially today – but you goody two shoes – don’t dare criticise those MFers – they’re all Exceptional .

    • Replies: @ariadna
  131. Exile says:
    @ariadna

    Ariadna is a good example of a certain slice of the East Euro/Russian commentariat (or someone trying hard to sound like them). Brittle, fragile, a huge chip on her shoulder, seething with grudges, educated enough to sound literate but devoid of understanding and both unable and unwilling to engage in a good faith discussion.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  132. @Dumbo

    China is the most Baby Boomer nation on earth. There was a massive boom in births in the post war years, especially after Mao united and stabilised the nation (briefly interrupted by the 1960 famine), hence 1960s panics over over-population. Chinese boomers grew up with Mao, many were his Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s. Also the imposition of 1 child policy entrenched Boomer dominance to the present. So Chinese leaders are more likely to be boomers than anywhere else.

  133. Marcali says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    From Wiki:
    “Königsberg was founded in 1255 on the site of the ancient Old Prussian settlement Twangste by the Teutonic Knights during the Northern Crusades, and was named in honour of King Ottokar II of Bohemia.[1] A Baltic port city, it successively became the capital of their monastic state, the Duchy of Prussia (1525–1701) and East Prussia. Königsberg remained the coronation city of the Prussian monarchy, though the capital was moved to Berlin in 1701.

    Between the thirteenth and the twentieth centuries, the inhabitants spoke predominantly German, but the multicultural city also had a profound influence upon the Lithuanian and Polish cultures.”

  134. Wielgus says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There were reports early on of Indians being held hostage by Ukrainian forces, and indeed India’s love affair with Ukraine is not particularly evident.

  135. @Petermx

    The author points towards similar discrepancies in the RUS boomers thinking…
    It might be more understandable or seem less contradictory if it is decoupled (e.g. from JWW2) or derationalized.
    The GDR (German Democratic Republic aka Sovjet Zone) was somewhat based on collaborating German communists. They pacified the incited enraged Red Army somewhat, because they were “Bolshois” or comrades too and managed to build up a functioning state again together with the Red Army (first as occupants mutating into protectors). Accordingly to quite a few Germans the USSR and everything that came oder comes with it (after the war) was and is part of the friendship of communist countries and not seen as rigid.
    Now we know that the USSR did not try to destroy the Germans in their Zone (ru. prison) as a people all together as the western Allies did and do to this very day; e.g. since the start of the occupation the western Allies have imported purposely over 50 million foreigners into the western zone over Germany. The have completely wiped out natural or germanic law and forced Roman Law into every corner of life. Russia has preserved some natural law within its federal laws etc. pp.
    I am not trying to be apologetic. I am trying to understand the points you are making myself.
    (Just for the records: the rape figures are totally wrong; factually 20 million Germans got raped, robed and displaced while 20 million Germans had lost their lives. Most soldiers lost their lives – our lives – after the great liberation, after surrender per unconditional decret (that is why some units kept on fighting till death esp. in East Prussia which now is West Russia without the P).

    • Replies: @Petermx
  136. @Petermx

    Alright so you are the alternative history guy. As far as I understand even if I find a similar photograph in the Russian archives, you will also say that it is another lie. And those naked men with their ribs showing are probably sick people in a hospital, or perhaps the German soldiers in a gulag.

    Likewise we are not discussing the Holocaust or Auschwitz but you bring it up as an argument, as if it is connected with what I’m talking about. You believe that the Russians gang raped two million German women because there is a book and you read it, and at the same time you don’t believe anything else, despite the books.

    So you choose whatever you like and call it the truth, and what you don’t like is a lie – it’s that simple. Except for this is not how the history should be studied, your approach to it is a very convenient one. Seeing that you are somewhat impulsive and extremely emotional it might be necessary for your mental constitution.

    Therefore to present here the data of the Russian statistics of the war casualties to you will not make any sense either, as well as trying to prove that the hunger in Ukraine was not deliberately caused, and also happened in other regions in Russia. You will not listen to any of these because it must be a lie.

    And apparently the truth is that the Nazis were very good guys, who wanted to change the world for the better and did not really do anything wrong, even though they believed that they were the master race, destined to rule all others and considered the rest of mankind to be Untermenschen.

    And you don’t like the Jews?

  137. ariadna says:
    @GMC

    “You must live in POland or Lithuania or some other US puppet state.”
    Find another tree to bark up. I live as far from Poland or Lithuania as you do from logic and reading comprehension.

    “The Russian Federation is Not the Soviet Union , but you guys just can’t let it Go .’
    It is not, but the glorification of the SU and the “sovok” mentality does not augur well.

    “The Russian army today shows incredible respect towards Ukrainian citizens, that aren’t tryin to kill them.. ”
    Stop barking mindlessly, I completely agree with that.

    “So when the Ukies show themselves torturing and killing Russian POWs – you guys are hootin it up ”
    Au contraire my little shitzu, I post those videos everywhere I can so as to debunk the lie of the “brave and honorable” Ukies.

    “Oh! the Red Army was sooo cruel. No shit and so is the the US Army – especially today – but you goody two shoes – don’t dare criticize those MFers – they’re all Exceptional .”\
    Wrong again, my incensed little Chihuahua. I criticize both. I agree completely that war crimes were committee during and AFTER the war by both the Russians and the US armies and that is why they colluded to cover up theirs by building the Holo™ enterprise. The SU contributed by “re”building the ovens.

    • Thanks: GMC
  138. @Been_there_done_that

    The terms in Article 1 (3) read as follows:

    “The united Germany has no territorial claims whatsoever against other states and shall not assert any in the future.”

    The matter was settled between Germany and Russia, so how can anybody claim it is still illegal is not completely clear. To be honest, it is not clear at all – it rather appears to be a mental disorder thinking.

    Just like the idea that Königsberg is needed to threaten the Baltic countries. Doesn’t Russia have a five hundred km border with them?

    You are paranoid.

  139. ariadna says:
    @Exile

    I call that progress in this kind of dialog with the likes of you: unable to master any cogent response to arguments you surrender by falling back on silly, nonsensical speculations on who I am.
    No, eager and ineffectual little blowhard, I belong to no “slice of the East Euro/Russian commentariat.
    You don’t know “a good faith discussion” from a hole, well… anywhere. Bye!

  140. ariadna says:
    @KDB71

    You are 100% correct: giving a break to those who are against those we despise is a dangerously simplistic reflex.
    Lots of Hungarian (and other Eastern European) refugees to the USA made a significant discovery. That was the realization that while living behind the Iron Curtain they had assumed that just about everything their communist regimes told them about the West was a lie and truth was its exact opposite. After a few years in West they started thinking that just about everything they were told in the US about the SU and is “socialist sisters” was either a lie or a gross exaggeration. In the end, they said “believe the worst BOTH sides tells about each other and try to inform yourself and add nuance…”

  141. gT says:
    @gT

    Ha! ha! even Michael Hudson says “… Russia said, we’ve lost more population as a result of neoliberalism than we did in all of World War Two fighting against Nazism. We’ve got to stop.” referring to Russia’s brief flirt with the NeoCon’s in the 1990’s after the collapse of the USSR.

    So this business of the collectivization having led to the population decline in Russia does not hold water.

  142. “Untermensch” (the Jew from underneath (unter) – straight from hell and back)
    versus
    “Übermensch” (the light, bright, white in height to the sky (über = above)

    “Untermensch” is a frequent term of Jew & hyena prop up: “a human being of mental and moral inferiority usually caused by hereditary strain.” Allied West German propaganda today places the term in the Nazi vocabulary. According to this, the National Socialist Third Reich is said to have been inhumane, especially because it degraded and treated all Eastern Europeans as “subhumans.” It is even claimed that the vocabulary was an invention of Hitler.

    Reliable sources according to which the National Socialists are said to have defamed and murdered members of foreign peoples across-the-board as inferior “subhumans” are not known.
    Winston Churchill spoke of the “doctrine of the Untermensch” in 1919 and judged Bolshevism to be a “disease” and a “pestilence.”

    “Untermensch” could also have its origin in the work “The Revolt against Civilization: The Menace of the Under Man” by the American anthropologist and eugenicist Lothrop Stoddard. The latter also studied in Germany, where he came into contact with the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, and thus coined the term “under man” as a counterpart to the Übermensch (superb man) vaunted by Nietzsche. Accordingly, the German term “Untermensch” would merely be a translation of an English term established in the Jewnighted States. Thus, it is a term falsely described as having been invented by National Socialism.

    The term Untermensch could also have originated in the field of criminology.

  143. @Here Be Dragon

    It has got something to do with Public International Law (based on Natural Law v Roman Law).
    (Sergei Lavrov is “a big fan” of International Law (versus rules and “articles” put up btw. actors).)
    Russia is accused of having taken Crimea by Annexation. As a matter of fact it recognised Crimea as an autonomous republic in joint – as a federate member – with the Russian Federation by popular vote. The Crimeans – the sovereign – got and seemingly used the choice, decided and voted (97 %?) to be an autonomous member of the Russian Federation.
    “The West” accuses Russia of having “taken” Crimea, accuses Russia of a military occupation of Crimea. If one accepts that the natives (per def.) are the sovereigns (v. alien priests & politicians) of their lands, one might accept that the Crimeans have chosen to be part of the Russian Federation instead of an Ukraine ruled by foreign coup leaders. Going by that Crimea was not “annexed by Russia” but decided sovereign cession. It appeared as a non-forced territorial cession by popular vote of the sovereign, the people of Crimea.
    To chase people of their ancient lands and later negotiate a deal with an installed, not democratically elected regime with a president who is backed by 900 votes (of 80 million people) is according to Public International Law invalid.
    The FRG regime has no legitimacy, was and will never be authorised to make deals about giving away sovereign property. This does not just apply to lands of the German Empire it also applies to infrastructure and common goods in general.

    • Agree: inspector general
  144. @Here Be Dragon

    The matter was settled between Germany and Russia, so how can anybody claim it is still illegal is not completely clear. To be honest, it is not clear at all – it rather appears to be a mental disorder thinking.

    Yes, you apparently have a mental disorder in addition to a severe deficiency in logical reasoning. Eight days ago you could not tell the difference between “before” and “after” (see link below for a reminder, when I told you to go back to Sesame Street); now you still cannot discern the difference between “legal” and “illegal” upon clarification.

    My claim, which you requested me to explain, was that Russia’s occupation of the Königsberg / Kaliningrad territory is illegal, and I cited the Kellogg-Briand Pact from 1928 and the United Nations Charter from 1945 as the basis. Russia’s ongoing control of the area is independent of Germany having refrained from making any public territorial claims to that territory.

    Unlike with regard to Poland, no formal mechanism occurred, in which Germany officially ceded that territory to USSR or Russia. Therefore, lacking such a transformation of status, the occupation remains illegal. The issue is not whether Germany is entitled to make a claim on the territory or not but that Russia’s occupation and annexation was in contravention of law from the outset, and the underlying principle remains intact.

    The territory came under control through conquest and ethnic cleansing, which was illegal. Aside from the legal aspect, the untenable nature of issue should be blatantly obvious because:

    • The territory is not contiguous to Russia but hundreds of miles away from it;
    • The territory had never been a part of Russia in its entire history;
    • The territory is used as a large military base, to threaten the security of nearby countries.

    None of these three points ever applied to the case of German territories taken over by Poland. In light of these facts, Russia’s persistence in remaining in this territory is proof that it has not yet reconciled with its past, as the author of this essay maintained. Maintaining this Stalinist enclave exposes that Russia still harbors latent imperial ambitions. This chauvinistic attitude, as well as the resurrection of the military parade extravaganzas, provoked a desire for NATO expansion.

    Lastly, maintaining diplomatic relations with Russia does constitute recognition of their occupation as legal. For instance, many countries have relations with Israel even though they do not recognize its occupation of Jerusalem (both east and west). Russian leaders know they will eventually have to vacate this territory, which explains why it was not developed for permanent settlement. This is evidenced by the fact that the city did not even have a sewage treatment plant until June 2017, with the help of Scandinavia.

    May 5, 2022 at 10:40 am GMT
    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/sociopath-neocons-sacrifice-ukrainians-and-global-poor-katie-halper/#comment-5325080

  145. @Been_there_done_that

    Kid I understand the logic but it is wrong.

    You need to take into account that a new agreement supersedes prior agreements. You forget or perhaps are not aware that municipal laws take precedence over international law. You do not know that treaties must be distinguished from international law.

    You are not familiar with the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, according to which an exception must be made if an international law is in conflict with an internal law of fundamental importance. Your ideas are not based on the law.

    Your ideas are a bunch of propaganda proclamations of no significance, not supported with a credible reference or at least an opinion of a respectable expert – all of that is nothing but speculations. Show me a court’s decision or something like it.

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  146. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Petermx

    Wikipedia is not just among the biggest liars. It is the biggest liar. The founder of Wikipedia himself says it is extremely biased. And the wikipedia admins are all marxists, see : https://pastebin.com/8kZqy653

  147. @Here Be Dragon

    …an exception must be made if an international law is in conflict with an internal law of fundamental importance.

    You are just throwing out assertions and accusations without providing any proper context with regard to the specific situation. This cannot impress me because you have no explanations; the digression is merely meant to obfuscate because you are incapable of acknowledging the basic facts. Even Russian propagandists have not provided an argument, however contrived, which is why they avoid mentioning the issue altogether.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  148. @Petermx

    brave German women like 93 year old Ursula Haverbeck

    Yes, the establishment shows its true nature! The research done by a 93 year old woman has them shaking with fear and rage.

    (Note to German authorities reading this website: when I think of Germany, I think of Joachim Low picking his nose.)

    • Agree: Petermx
  149. Petermx says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Yes, I visited East Prussia (Konigsberg) almost 15 years ago. My mother’s family had a house not far outside of the city.

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  150. @Been_there_done_that

    No kid you are incapable of acknowledging the facts.

    You got the clues and there is nothing to argue about. Unless you expect me to compose a two thousand word treatise, with all the proper quotations and references, there is nothing more you should ask of me. You have all the proof there is.

    A new agreement supersedes prior agreements – does not matter what had been said and agreed upon before the last agreement. Your appeal to international law is not relevant – national laws take precedence over international. Treaties are distinguished from international law and if an international law is in conflict with a national law the latter takes precedence over the former. You are free to check it and double-check it.

    Speaking of the specific situation.

    The agreement between Germany and Russia is of more importance than Kellogg-Briand Pact and the United Nations Charter. No court in the world can decide otherwise, and neither can the International Court of Justice.

    The German government announced unconditional surrender to the Russians. No statement regarding Königsberg is required because the surrender was unconditional. And later confirmed with an agreement – on the Final Settlement.

    That’s it.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  151. KDB71 says:
    @Petermx

    I knew I wasn’t the only one, bro!

  152. @Been_there_done_that

    False!

    Everything applies just as well to Pooland!
    Besides Russia & Prussia used to be one.
    The biggest mistakes were to let in the Poo in the 5th century and with the Poo the Jew.
    Now the scum is claiming the Urland as theirs…
    Man proposes, God disposes.
    When this is over there will not be much left of the Northern Plaine
    and the Poos & Jews crimes against the Urvolk (PRUSSIA) will be overcome naturally.
    Besides your ugly language is a construct of the Jesuit brothers of crime.
    America, Israhell, Vatica(n) delenda est.

  153. @Petermx

    We too have Prussian lineage and lost all men except for one great-grandfather. All girls and women incl. grans got the Ill’Chad Ehrengurg treatment. One aunt got a personified present in form of a bastard conceived in utter violence. The choice was suicide (that which is God given?) or man made living hell. What choice does a young girl born in love have? (Today the suicide rate is as high as then). Aunt chose to live love out. The bastard lived in crime and died in the seventies. Aunt did not want to remember anything in old age and died dement only recently…

    • Replies: @Petermx
  154. Hitch says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    We know about Stalin’s Judeo-Bolshevic barrier guards and how they machine gunned any Russian soldiers unwilling to charge head on into German “Bone-Saw” MG34’s. We also know that Stalin placed a death sentence on any Russian who surrendered to the Wehrmacht. We also know that Stalin extracted retribution against the families of Russian POWS captured by the German, and that Russian POW’s were desperate to get the Germans to pronounce them killed in action so that their families would not be sent to the Gulag.

    We know about crushed testicles of thousands of Germans in weeks of repeated torture sessions in order to extract fake confessions for “war crimes” that only Jews or Russians could ever commit. But we also know this is what the western Allies were doing to the German POW’s who had been reclassified to as Disarmed Enemy Combatants by Eisenhower in order to strip them of their rights. W

    What Russia is still hiding from the humanity is not only what they did to German POW’s in their gulags and other camps after the war, but more importantly Russia is still denying the massive lies they told their own people and the entire planet about their own war crimes and their own lies about German behavior and actions throughout the war.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  155. @Hitch

    You forgot to mention the two million gang raped German women.

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  156. “I serve the Soviet Union” hunting the Bayraktar.

    Wont mind such Union against the semis, the bisectors, the halver of mankind against all one (Odin of the rOdinA)

  157. Hitch says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    I guess most feminist bimbos today would claim that rape is 6,000,000 times worse than gonad crushing…

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  158. Hitch says:

    The Khazarians running WEF keep telling us that all of Europe blames those evil Nazi Russians for starting this war and that all of Europe is ready and willing to suffer an indescribably horrific nuclear incineration to prove it. Every once in a while the will of the people spills over. What do the Polish people really think?

    Make Beer Not War

  159. @Here Be Dragon

    No statement regarding Königsberg is required because the surrender was unconditional.

    Your interpretation is skewed and simplistic because it omits key aspects. The unconditional surrender was in 1945, but the treaty of Moscow in 1970 contained reservations, which the USSR acknowledged, based on the premises of the earlier treaty and charter I cited. The final agreement in 1990 did not formally cede the territory to the USSR but merely stated that Germany would make no claims on it. As I explained before, this did not in itself transform the illegal occupation into a legal one, and additional concessions toward USSR were not provided, in contrast to Poland. Due to the resulting “gray area”, for lack of a better term, the occupation remains illegal. This is all very logical but you are in denial about the implication. The more important question is: why would Russia even want to keep this territory as a military base if it were truly interested in good neighborly relations and purports to be so concerned about “indivisible security“, whatever that means, which in any case applies not just to itself but all other countries?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  160. Alrenous says: • Website

    This makes analyzing them quite easy, although it makes conversing with them rather tedious at times — you know what they’re going to say before they even formulate the thought in their heads.

    As an example, if someone were to bring up the existence of the archipelago of gulags in Siberia that the Soviet Union had created, the sovok would deny that such a thing existed and simultaneously insist that the people in them deserved to be incarcerated before just sweeping the discussion under the rug, as it were.

    Even Moldbug thinks “America is a Communist Country” is an exaggeration.

    [MORE]

    USSR was Americanized Russia. Plain and unadulterated.
    The youth aren’t gobbling “neoliberal” ideas, they’re getting the new Anglification NPC operating system. The old one forgot to leave an update pathway, what with being more primitive and all.

    Peasants were herded into the cities to begin their new lives as proletarians and to repent of their wicked kulak ways.

    More precisely, like everywhere else, marriage was outlawed by mandating a no-fault divorce contract.
    Stalin, at least, was pro-life. Not post-birth, sure, but pre-birth.

    cradle-to-grave big government socialism

    “Let’s have hardcore socialism. Damn, why can’t we make the most widgets?!? Truly, the world is a mysterious place!”

    Hitler was a secret Jew funded by the United States and Great Britain.

    Hitler was clearly an employee of Nemesis sent to damn Germany for terrible sins. Know them by their fruits.

    Fun Fact: the reason the West hates Nazis was to support Stalin in a smokescreen operation. Stalin’s rampant disregard for human life sent Russians into the meatgrinder by the job lots. Since Hitler was on the other side, Stalin told Russians to blame Hitler so they didn’t have to blame Daddy for being abusive. Russians wholeheartedly adopted this, which meant FDR’s pals had to do the same.

    The gulags are a myth.
    The gulags were necessary to weed out traitors to the Soviet Union.

    “Judges are not being harassed over abortion, and if they are they deserve it.”

  161. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Hitch

    Women don’t have any empathy, after all. They don’t have gonads and can’t imagine what it would be like, therefore it must not feel like anything.

  162. Petermx says:
    @Kurt Knispel

    Sorry to hear that. My mother’s family moved to Silesia (further west) in the early 30’s so she, her father and two sisters were able survive the war without that happening, but just barely. My mother had a scary situation but fortunately that did not happen. My grandmother died in the last few months of the war. She had cancer and was getting chemotherapy but when they had to flee she couldn’t get her treatments and died.

    • Replies: @Kurt Knispel
  163. @Been_there_done_that

    You know this is really amusing. You are not dumb but stubborn like an idiot. You must be one of those who never admit their errors. Or perhaps you are not as intelligent as it seems, and indeed do not understand.

    Let us try once again – the last time.

    You said, “additional concessions toward USSR were not provided, in contrast to Poland.”

    Explanation. A concession is a thing that is granted, and Russia – in contrast to Poland, did not need a formal concession to be provided, because Russia had won the war and the German government surrendered without conditions. An unconditional surrender implies that the defeated side will accept the will of the victor without a negotiated settlement, or in other words there are no terms – the victor decides what will happen to the defeated and can do what he wishes. For this reason Russia does not need a concession since that would contradict the principle of an unconditional surrender.

    You said, “the treaty of Moscow contained reservations, which the USSR acknowledged.”

    Here is the text of the treaty. Article 3 – “They regard today and shall in future regard the frontiers of all States in Europe as inviolable such as they are on the date of signature of the present Treaty.” You cannot pretend that there are reservations. The text is clear and it does not require an interpretation, the statement is simple and unambiguous. The frontiers of all states in Europe, such as they are implies Königsberg and the area included. Nothing in this agreement is based on the premises of the earlier treaties except for the declaration of an unconditional surrender.

    You said, “The final agreement did not formally cede the territory to the USSR but merely stated that Germany would make no claims on it.”

    Regarding the formal settlement it has been explained. The more important part is the one you preferred to omit. Article 1 (3) – “The united Germany shall comprise the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, the German Democratic Republic and and the whole of Berlin; its external borders shall be the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic and shall be definitive from the date on which the present Treaty comes into force.”

    Therefore they again accepted the existing borders in this final settlement, and not merely stated that Germany would make no claims. You are a cheater and a little liar.

    And as it has been said before, at this point it does not even matter whether there are or there are not some international laws, pacts or conventions that might or might not contradict these bilateral treaties between two countries, because their national domestic laws take precedence over international laws. More so – in accordance with the international law, of which both countries were the signatories, such treaties are not up to international court to make legal or illegal.

    This is a mechanism that is required so that sovereign entities might be able to come to an agreement on their own terms, independent of the opinions of Lithuanian lawyers.

    For example in case there would be an attempt on the German side to denounce that agreement, on the ground of the UN Charter or the Kellogg-Briand Pact, then the International Court of Justice would have to decline their claim, because the Treaty on the Final Settlement as well as the prior bilateral treaties take precedence over the international law. Otherwise all states in the world would have to live under the same law and there would be in fact no more sovereign states at all.

    And because Russia is a sovereign state it can keep the armed forces wherever it is needed. Since NATO considers Russia a nemesis the Königsberg area becomes one of a strategic significance.

    At this point my opinion is that you are a paid propaganda troll and will continue to repeat, again and again, that “occupation is illegal” and other slogans that you are told to spread around, until you find a better employment.

    So this discussion makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  164. @John Johnson

    Westerners don’t really understand Islam because Christianity is not a semitic religion, it’s a Greek Mystery Religion loosely based on distorted legends and understanding of Hebraic monotheism. Islam and Orthodox Judaism are both legalistic faiths. Their religions are also law books while Paul deliberately crafted a cosmopolitan mystery cult without the onerous legalistic requirements he understood would not be popular in the Hellenistic world he moved about in, probably as a lower member of the Herodian clan. No full grown man is going to slice off his foreskin with a razor, nor will he want to change his diet and eliminate foods he has always grown up with. Christianity was hebraic monotheism crafted for the Cosmopolitan Greco Roman world the way the new age cults are rich white counterfeit knockoffs that no Asian Hindu or Buddhist would find authentic in the least. It is to Semitic Religion the way “General Tso’s Chicken” is to actual food Chinese eat in China.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  165. @Here Be Dragon

    An unconditional surrender implies that the defeated side will accept the will of the victor without a negotiated settlement…
    …national domestic laws take precedence over international laws.

    For the third or four time in our current exchange about this specific issue you have engaged in personal attacks against me to cover up for your deficient reasoning. At this point you ought to explain why you are so persistently obsessive in challenging facts and logic with your misleading assertions.

    The primary flaw in your presentation lies in your inflated and absolute interpretation of what is implied by unconditional surrender. Though simplistic, this was necessary, from your biased perspective, in order to keep your desired conclusion from unraveling. Your premise was that Germany’s surrender in 1945 entitled the USSR (and Russia) to subsequently do whatever it wanted, as if though existing and subsequent international norms would not apply. This approach is obviously disingenuous. Another elementary flaw accompanying your interpretation is to confuse territorial control with formal sovereignty and treating them as equal.

    If your selective interpretations were valid and accepted, then they would have rendered the numerous diplomatic activity and treaty formulations that occurred in subsequent decades as unnecessary. Everyone knows this has not been the case, so your statements are clearly contradicted by the facts. Also, in international relations, treaties affirming law are supposed to take precedence over domestic law, and the US Constitution recognizes this impact. Therefore, international treaties that are inconsistent with national law are not supposed to be ratified at all or otherwise only conditionally, with declared reservations.

    Germany’s surrender in 1945 occurred concurrently with three developments: the ongoing consolidation of the USSR’s conquest and expulsion of indigenous populations; the founding of the United Nations which began at the San Francisco conference in April 1945, along with its subsequent charter; and the Potsdam Conference and declaration. Documents associated with the latter two regulated the relationships of countries involved in the prior conflict, including their future conduct and limitations.

    Furthermore, the 1970 Treaty of Moscow was preceded by official exchanges of notes and declarations that accompanied it, which declared the intent and scope of the understanding. An accounting (including the Treaty of Warsaw) is available here from the Swiss university in Bern, for which one can use a translator:

    https://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv040141.html

    The point is that the texts of treaties must be evaluated in the overall political context in which they were formulated in order to derive their proper significance. In this regard you have exposed yourself as an amateur. Even the text of the Treaty of Moscow itself, to which you provided a link, states the following key premise:

    Article 2
    The Federal Republic of Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics shall in their mutual relations as well as in matters of ensuring European and international security be guided by the purposes and principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations.

    In other words, the overarching and acknowledged framework already entails the inadmissibility of annexing territory acquired through conquest, which the UN Charter essentially amplified from the earlier Kellog-Briand Pact and the spirit of the League of Nations before that. It should be simple to understand that in the context of ongoing European and international security the occupation of the Königsberg / Kaliningrad region is inconsistent with Russia’s ongoing occupation of this territory.

    While some like to claim that the source of Russia’s war really began in 2014, I have maintained that the source lies in Russia’s chauvinistic stance in the mid-1990s, highlighted by its refusal to vacate that occupied Baltic region, which was the cause for distrust among neighboring countries and a consequent desire to join NATO, thus leading to its expansion. So the problem was caused by Russia having not wanted to end the Cold War, due to its intransigence and Stalinist nostalgia, the theme of this essay.

    The overall situation was escalated in March 2, 2018, when Putin, in a staged interview in Könisberg publicly announced his desire to reverse the break-up of the USSR if he had the opportunity because he thought that this has been the most traumatic event in Russia’s history. This was followed up by the placement of nuclear capable missiles in that area a few weeks later. (My first comment at this site was in April 2018 to challenge an assertion by James Petras that Russia posed no threat.)

    Therefore, since March 2018 marked a turning point in European relations with Russia, it is pertinent to consider the following article that appeared at that time at the International Center for Defense and Security in Estonia, pertaining an opinion to a resolution to the unsettled Königsberg question. Though this proposal differs from what a Lithuanian, Polish, or German preference might be, the underlying premise, rooted in international legal principles, is that Russia must vacate this territory. This article should be of interest to readers wanting to understand this conflict because it affirms the necessity to finally settle a lingering issue relating to security in the Baltic region while also decoupling Russia’s necessarily giving up that territory with a simultaneous takeover of it by Germany, which appears to be a common misperception.

    https://icds.ee/en/the-future-of-konigsberg/

    March 16, 2018

    Königsberg should be placed under the EU’s jurisdiction when Russian forces leave

    This means that the region was treated as an occupied zone to be administered by an Allied Power and the Settlement does not revise this position in any way. Thus, we come to the conclusion that no one has given Königsberg to Russia de jure under any international agreements and Russian presence in the region is solely de facto.

    Even if you are just engaging in self-deception, you ought to explain why you are so adamant about it.

  166. @Old and Grumpy

    Boomer bashing is really amusing, I’ve even heard it from a 12-yr-old, with the air of finality! TikTok, the ultimate authority. What did the Greatest Generation give us? A war! The first-born boomers landed on the shores of Nam in 1964, average age of a G. I. was 19. Thanks for the swell soireé. (we can skip over Korea, the first post-war project for the mass murder machine, and McCarthy) The catalysts of the ’60s, all born before 1946: Dylan, Beatles, Chicago 7. Ken Kesey, La Honda, the Pranksters, the great bus Further, 1964. The ’60s had all been done by 1964, everything after was imitation. The music and clothes were great, though, glad we went through that. We were the last generation of citizen students, Fall Quarter 1970 I wrote a check for \$159: dorm room, tuition and fees. Consumer consumption society? What has changed? 12-yr-olds learning excessive trips to Target because you have nothing better to do is ok. Sitting in the coffee shop consuming single-use plastics is ok. Writing diatribes on screens lit up by rare earths, also ok.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  167. @Petermx

    The medicine man says that when the fox has eaten the hare, the hare has become the fox. That’s how I feel about East Prussia. Today the Russian () is somehow the Prussian. Interestingly enough, the Russian military is still influenced by German traditions and words (like “soldier”, “bunker”, etc.). May the Russians make the best of East Prussia and may they take the rest of Prussia from the Polacks. Today, esp. after Lissabon and even more so after 2015, that would be more satisfaction for me personally than if the contaminated, deadly poisoned FRG would get it back.

    [MORE]

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp8pddozFfw)
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbE8xbbY9A)
    On February 24, 2022, Russia saw itself forced to enter the Third Jewish World War, similarly as Germany saw itself forced to react to the crimes of Pooland on September 01, 1939 and did not believe that it had entered the Second Jewish World War by responding to Poos genocide against native Germans as the Urvolk in the Urlands (the holy land, where milk and honey flows). Israhell is not the holy land and the Jews know that and try with hyenas like the Poos to completely subdue the Northern Plaine (the Urland of the Urvolk – when Russia was Prussia and Prussia was Russia).
    This time the small and probably decisive difference is that Russia – as the best chess player – seems to be much, much more aware of the possible constellations. Lavrov (an Aryan hating fascists) just pointed out that the Western world is waging a full hybrid war against Russia and Russia is aware of all the consequences. This time I do not fear, this time I hope that Germany will again be on the losing side, just as a soldier does not shy away from his own death when serving the greater good. Todays’ Russia seems to me the Greater Good and the remnants of Germany are just the battered aged whore of the Jew. Germans are scattered all over the world and mostly “integrated” in the big lies of the Jew & hyena, while the negative force is churning and raping the Urland.
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbHAQtNxKc4)
    Another cringe is, that these Jewish impoverished, Jewish misled and Jewish exploited Ukrainians as Jewed up very sorry and sad patriots…
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPQp8lO8BoM)
    …to help the evil, forever twisting Jew to finely imprint “the Nazi” as “the ugly beast” into the consciousness of common Russians, to ill confirm their previously propagandized prejudices as correct. “See, we told you so.” “Our grandfathers (yours & mine) were the good guys.” (No, your fathers were then the Jews’ hyena, the same way the Ukis are today.) Today’s RF is the good guy.
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w96FjXUWrv8)
    “Nazi” is the lie of the Bolshois, the opportune recycled lie of todays’ Russia is already “flowering” into a furthered bigotry. If we don’t die in the middle of it all, we might see how it plays out. Probably in order to not split Russian Society, the Russian leadership could not give out the parole “We are ridding the Ukraina of evil, hostile Judaism and its psychotic hounds of Vatica(n)”.
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfBQkCc7mwY)
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4-DH6kAlfg)
    https://russian.rt.com/opinion/1000966-prilepin-ukraina-vsu

  168. @Been_there_done_that

    Booklength dissertations suggest to me that instead of hanging out on U.R. and annoying the natives, you should compose a book which can be duly buried in some musty university library. Your primary audience there will be those types who go on and on about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

  169. @Figmund Fraud

    That “Greatest Generation” shtick is virtually oxymoronic. Those poor parents of we, the War-Baby generation, a very exclusive lot, were psychically and emotionally shattered by the Bank\$ter-engineered Great Depression. Their very souls and spirits were adumbrated by a socio-economic, money-based culture. Their suffering was embedded deep within.

    Perhaps a bit more about our generation born during the war years and growing up in the 50’s and into the 60’s, is called for here. Our grandparents, at least in immigrant-rich portions of rural America, retained land-based values from “the old country”. We absorbed more from them and from elder uncles and aunts than we did from our desperately confused parents, who were all swept up in the madness which was WWII.

    Truly, we are a separate generation, albeit a very thin one; commencing with the beginning of the 40’s and concluding with ’45. Our life experiences do not resemble those of older siblings and cousins who were born in the Dirty Thirties. Not so much desperation in our surroundings.

    Though we are precursors to the Boomers, we are not quite the same as them either, as a good number of us are anything but rootless—yet our later childhood and adolescent experiences were quite similar to theirs. We became their way showers, their cultural leaders, as we cast off the raiments of constriction, detested neckties and girdles—sometimes even shorts and bras—and set out to create a new cultural reality.

    Take a quick look at the musical explosion of the mid 60’s to the mid 70’s. If you lived through the era you will know that most of those who defined the Boomers were we, the Victory Babies…now, reviewed in retrospect, we realize that the so-called allied victory was but a chimera, when considered within the passage of time. Those hidden agendas took too many of us down and way too many of the Boomers transmogrified into Yuppies. Yuck!

    Yet, growing up in those postwar years, many of us now savor our personal victories over a decadent, devolutionary and terminally deluded impositional mass culture. Our mass has become dissolved or diluted, yet our energies have yet to be defeated. We ARE the ultimate victors, as the current madness will fall to the ravages of cyclical time. The Empire of Lies will fall. Thus, we witness.

  170. @Sebastian Hawks

    Those “new age cults” are primarily urban and suburban. They are not connective on a daily basis with the natural world. Thus all too many grasp at straws in search of a spiritual reality which is nearly impossible to access within post-industrial megalopolitan madness.

  171. @Johann Ricke

    Boomers are children in adult bodies. Once I learned this I found it much easier to talk to them. You just let them talk and nod as if their childish take on the world is accurate.

    It ain’t mostly white boomers marching with BLM.

    No they stay back in rocking chairs and let the 20-25 year olds that have been indoctrinated by boomer professors do all the marching.

  172. @RobinG

    Muslims are offended by pigs and images of anything alive…

    So, you’re an idiot as well as a troll. It’s stupidity like this (and toilets, lol) that prompted me to actually read the Quran. It’s like a real Putin speech vs. what US MSM alleges he said. See for yourself. (Not speaking to johnjohn here. He knows he’s lying.)

    In Islam it is a sin to draw an image of a human or animal
    Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the keeping of pictures at home and making them.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 1749)

    Sayyiduna Abu Talha (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Angels (of mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5609)

    In Islam it is a sin to eat pork.
    “He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine…” [al-Baqarah 2:173]

    Toilets are not to face Qibla
    http://www.islamic-laws.com/articles/lavatoryrules.htm

    Another Putin fangirl that is unable to use the internet to do independent research.

    There are dozens of articles on British toilets that have been re-angled to please Muslims. Thought that was old news. Try to get more news sources other than a couple blogs of misanthropic incels pretending to care about White people while celebrating a war where White people are killed daily.

  173. @Been_there_done_that

    Alright, this is pointless.

    You are a sophist. You will continue arguing, speculating, accusing me of being incapable while at the same time it would be smarter to check and see that what had been said was right. You did not even make that little effort.

    “Your premise” and all that — check it and double check it. Make a search, read an article, learn something. Make an attempt to look at the arguments from the opposite point of view. You are a polemicist and not a partner in a discussion. You cannot ever admit being wrong.

    Sad.

    You are not a logical thinker either, and are not as intelligent as pretending to be, so since the outcome of this conversation is predictable, and it has gotten quite boring we should close it right now. You are a slogan repeater, a troll and a stubborn casuist.

    Not much else.

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  174. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Muslims use womens faces as toilets. Something to ponder when Muslims get all high and mighty.

  175. @Here Be Dragon

    You are a polemicist and not a partner in a discussion. You cannot ever admit being wrong.

    I generally enter into discussions in which I already know the facts and then challenge falsehoods selectively when I encounter them or defend my assertions, so I will need not even risk the possibility of being wrong. This is a sane approach to adopt.

    …it has gotten quite boring we should close it right now.

    Yes, you lost the argument again, case closed. That is because you did not know what you were talking about, but it is you who cannot admit you were wrong. You challenged me on the basis of a misleading Wikipedia entry in conjunction with flawed reasoning. Yet you are probably too arrogant and self-infatuated to learn from your mistakes. However, I am still curious why you have been so obsessive in refusing to acknowledge the truth.

    I am devoted to reason rather than living in a fantasy world. As an example of seeing a situation and pointing it out while others refused to recognize it and instead made up all kinds of excuses, I will point to my having written here on February 28 this year, only four days after the war had begun:

    …has been much slower than anticipated by analysts, and has gotten bogged down in some spots…

    Meanwhile everybody knows the war has been a colossal failure. Russia has now also withdrawn its forces from outside of Ukraine’s second largest city too, after having been driven back again.

    Also, I will point out my being perceptive enough to have realized back in January that Putin could miscalculate (something his admirers and worshipers could not ever conceive of), acknowledged that his behavior was provocative, and suggested that the result would be Finland and Sweden wanting to join NATO, which they both announced they intended to do today:

    Been_there_done_that says:

    January 31, 2022 at 3:46 pm GMT • 3.5 months ago

    If Putin miscalculates the effects of the increasingly tense situation he is needlessly provoking, then he may have to contend with two additional NATO members, joining simultaneously within a short time, namely Finland and Sweden. Their new membership would be welcomed and quickly approved.

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  176. Anymike says:
    @The Alarmist

    I always called him “Barney the Popular Front dinosaur.”

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  177. @Been_there_done_that

    Finland and Sweden have their short-hairs in a vise under the control of the WEF and the ruling Trillionaire Oilygarchs. The Swedish upper-classes, both bourgeois and aristocraps have long been shitheads. Their “opposition” consists of go along to get along feminists of the worst water.

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