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It is a near-universal claim that the world’s first computer programmer was Ada Lovelace. She is referred to as the “enchantress of numbers”, a mathematical genius, a visionary and a fundamental contributor to the field of computing. The second Tuesday of October is “Ada Lovelace day” – an event to celebrate women’s achievements in STEM[4]Ada Lovelace Day https://findingada.com/. There is even a programming language named after her.

Ada lovelace was not the first programmer, nor was she any kind of genius and she contributed almost nothing to the field of computing. Almost all of the claims about her are wrong and together they constitute the biggest lies told in the field of tech.

Charles Babbage originated the concept of mechanical programmable computers. He named his most ambitious design the “analytical engine”. Due to funding issues and the manufacturing limitations of the time, he didn’t get to create it, but his plans were sound. In 1833, Ada Lovelace met Babbage at a party. She was seventeen and fascinated with Babbage’s work and they became friends. As the daughter of Lord Byron, who was a sordid character of the time, Ada was born a celebrity. Attention, privilege, talent and attractiveness came together to form very high self-regard.

“The more I study, the more insatiable do I feel my genius for it to be.”
Ada Lovelace,[1]The cogwheel brain, Doron Swade https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cogwheel-Brain-Charles-Babb...112398

In 1842, a paper was published, in French, by Luigi Menabrea – it was based upon a lecture Babbage had given in Turin, two years prior, where he outlined the analytical engine’s operation and presented diagrams of some of Babbage’s programs that could run on it[6]Charles Babbage left a computer program in Turin in 1840. Here it is. https://www.wired.com/beyond-the-beyond/2017/05/char...-1840/. Ada was approached to translate the paper into English and Babbage suggested that she add some notes of her own. She also included Babbage’s sample programs from his Turin lecture and, through haranguing Babbage for help, modified the program’s complexity.[5]What Did Ada Lovelace’s Program Actually Do? https://twobithistory.org/2018/08/18/ada-lovelace-no...g.html

“I want to put in something about Bernouilli’s Numbers, in one of my Notes, as an example of how an implicit function may be worked out by the engine, without having been worked out by human head & hands first. Give me the necessary data and formulae.”

Letter from Ada to Babbage,[7]Luigi Menabrea Publishes the First Computer Programs, Designed for Babbage’s Analytical Engine. Ada Lovelace Translates them Into English https://historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=466[8]Excerpts from the letters of Ada Byron, Lady Lovelace https://groups.google.com/g/comp.society.women/c/MZZ...?pli=1

That’s it. Ada Lovelace is called the first computer programmer because she translated a paper written by one man, about another man’s work, using example programs written by that man from two years prior that she modified with a lot of his help. All of the fuss about Ada being the first programmer is about this translated paper. The claims made about her range from establishment media puff-pieces[2]Ada Lovelace Day: We should never forget the first computer programmer https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/ada-l...6.html[3]Who was Ada Lovelace? https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/49960544 which claim she was “the first programmer”, to more subtle claims that she was the “first published programmer” or that she “wrote the first published program”.

It’s ridiculous to even consider that Charles Babbage, who conceived of the analytical engine long before a teenage Ada was told about it, would not know how to program it or would not have written his own programs for it. Claims that Ada “wrote” the program in the published paper are incorrect. The program was written by Babbage in Turin, two years prior. Claims that she is the “first published programmer” or that the program is “hers” are more insidious. If you wrote a formula which you presented in a lecture, which would then be included in a translated paper by someone else – would that person deserve the credit for the formula? I have a hard time thinking that if such a case were made before a modern peer-review board, that they would conclude anything other than that the original author of a work is the one who deserved the credit. She was not the first published programmer because the program she published was not her work.

People believe what they want to believe, and computing has been a thorn in the side of feminists for a long time now. Special attention is given to “women in tech” because it’s a cushy position for people of higher ability than normal. It’s for the smart, the creative, the logically minded, and it must hurt quite a bit to see one’s own sex so under-represented. Since the game of modern feminism is about beating men, there is a great amount of cognitive dissonance in their brain over clearly lagging behind in many important fields. I could state it no better than they do themselves:

Reading through most accounts of history, we could be forgiven for assuming that women were not the warriors, the great thinkers nor the pioneering scientists who shaped and changed our world.

That men alone birthed art, churned out literature and fiercely challenged the status quo, while women functioned only within the domestic realm. But though the canon has perpetually erased the contribution of women and their work has been systematically discredited, devalued and derided, their light has doggedly broken through the cracks.

In short, the massive achievement of the male sex in creating so much of the modern world that serves us all, is a con. Women are just as good – nay, even better maybe, as they were the first to do it in your male field. Our lack of achievement isn’t our fault at all – it’s the result of a conspiracy to keep us down. My failures aren’t my failures, it’s just the (literal) man keeping me down! It’s the baying call of the loser, and we see far too much of it in our world.

When it comes to controlling the minds of the masses, and therefore the fate of a nation, a myth or a narrative is more powerful than anything else. It supersedes all thought, and when implanted strongly enough, may control that person’s thinking until death. We all see the futility of disabusing people of their notions sometimes, and simply must wait out the clock until the mass of people who have a competing narrative outnumbers them. Increasingly, I look at society as the result of a dominant collective who believes in a certain way “just because”. Slow and persistent subversion replaces those values with each generation – changes the nature of that society. People believe what they were taught to, very few people rationalise why they believe the things they do. This results in a series of “what about”-isms, knee-jerk responses to points to disengage the mind from considering painful thoughts.

The prevalence of men in physics? – What about Marie Curie?

American exceptionalism? – What about slavery?

The moral quality of British culture? – What about opium wars?

What about the logical male mind, of the clear contribution of male logic to society in the form of technology? What about Ada Lovelace?

That is why they lie.

References

[1] The cogwheel brain, Doron Swade https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cogwheel-Brain-Charles-Babbage-Computer/dp/0349112398

[2] Ada Lovelace Day: We should never forget the first computer programmer https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/ada-lovelace-day-first-computer-programmer-forgotten-women-a8557416.html

[3] Who was Ada Lovelace? https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/49960544

[4] Ada Lovelace Day https://findingada.com/

[5] What Did Ada Lovelace’s Program Actually Do? https://twobithistory.org/2018/08/18/ada-lovelace-note-g.html

[6] Charles Babbage left a computer program in Turin in 1840. Here it is. https://www.wired.com/beyond-the-beyond/2017/05/charles-babbage-left-computer-program-turin-1840/

[7] Luigi Menabrea Publishes the First Computer Programs, Designed for Babbage’s Analytical Engine. Ada Lovelace Translates them Into English https://historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=466

[8] Excerpts from the letters of Ada Byron, Lady Lovelace https://groups.google.com/g/comp.society.women/c/MZZNY5LZeR4?pli=1

 
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  1. An acquaintance of mine once upon a time was a computer genius, working in Silicon Valley for most of her career. Her father was an engineer. Not that there weren’t thousands of others like her toiling in the Satanic silicon mills. But she was a woman and she was a one of them. And she did real hard-core conceptual programming or whatever you call it now, not grunt-work or secretary-work, which she probably couldn’t have done, anyhow, because she was kind of, well, geniusy. At one time a lot of those Silicon Valley Cowboys and Girls were like artists, crazy, visionary, autistic, barely able to function in the real world, and their employers, believe it or not, humored them. Some would work 100 hrs a week. Some 2. The employers didn’t care. They believed in genius. They let it flower according to its lights.

    Thems were the days, eh.

  2. Lagertha says:

    just stfu, or at least on UNZ.

    • LOL: El Dato
  3. Sisifo says:

    But it was three Afro American women who did all the math that send the man to the Moon, using Ada’s program!

  4. “The moral quality of British culture?”

    …yeah, that is one that really falls apart once one digs into the actual history, the hidden history, and sees what the truth of the matter was. Lots and lots of Jewish financiers, Shabbos Goys, feminism/”women’s rights”, liberalism, evil spy craft, safety for Marx and similar characters, dopedealing on a scale that is unimaginable, etc…the Celtic peoples really got it bad right at home and the rest of the world from a distance. The modern era talmudic domination is strongly “British” and Anglo-Jewry is still one of the core elements of that great evil to this day.

    Celts, Germans, Iranians, Arabs, Russians, Americans, etc., can all vouch, if they are aware, of course, of Anglo-Jewry and their “British culture” and all that wonderful morality.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Ray Caruso
  5. Alfred says:

    There is a young woman I am in touch with. I have no idea why she writes to me. Maybe because I am a computer programmer. It seems that she is also a developer. But we never discuss such matters. She said that she will visit me in March – when it is a bit warmer in Antalya. We will see. 🙂

    Personally, I am all in favour of smart women who don’t pretend to be men.

    Anna is the exact case when beauty, strong character and intellect are combined in one personality, and the girl’s photos prove that her beauty really impresses!

    [MORE]

    Anna is a mathematician by education and works as a web designer and web developer. In her free time, she likes to do sports that are not at all typical for a fragile girl, such as shooting, paragliding and horse riding.

    Anna Guzeyeva bacame Miss Fashion Universe 2020

    Here she is on the cover of the Ukrainian Playboy magazine

    • LOL: Realist, SIMP simp
  6. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    just stfu, or at least on UNZ.

    Lagertha, old girl, you’re still alive! You used to be a regular on Steve Sailer’s Unz blog with your unhinged rants. What happened? Steve-o ban you?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  7. neutral says:

    It was always a lie, but this is only a small part of it. In a century or so, there will be the complete erasure of history of every single evidence of the past, this will include every painting, book, invention, head of state, movie that has a white person in it. I don’t even see it being preserved in places like China or India, even they will eventually be overwhelmed by a majority black planet.

    The issue of falsifying history to benefit a woman will not occur however, this is pretty much only a thing done by white people.

  8. Most components of Babbage’s analytical engine were analogue, not digital, bar a few that performed mere addition : more elaborate operations such as differentiation and integration were done by the means of turning wheels and clocks. There was no sequential programming but you connected the wheels one with each other by the means of knobs and dials. Babbage could not see his invention implemented for real but up through WWII the best American computers were based on Babbage’s concept and were called differential analysers.

    Sequential programming for digital computers with memories capable of holding both instructions and data was introduced first by Züse during WWII in Germany for the guiding of V2s (together with the first programming language, Plankalkul, before being more mathematically formalized by Türing later on in Britain), and also for ration and identity card management in cooperation with Hollerith for the same regime. Züse’s computers were of course too small to hold a translater, hence the language which looked like user-unfriendly Algol had to be compiled into machine instructions by hand.

    • Disagree: El Dato
    • Thanks: GazaPlanet, YetAnotherAnon
  9. American exceptionalism? – What about slavery?

    The colonial and early American white men who owned slaves had no trouble finding white women who wanted to marry them and bear their children. You wouldn’t find an incel among them. Young single British and Irish women would even cross the Atlantic on their own initiative to offer themselves as wives to these men, sight unseen – and this at a time when women in general didn’t exercise nearly as much freedom of choice over their lives as they have now. These guys put today’s soft, weak, low-testosterone and often women-rebelling American men to shame.

    I suspect the superior virility of the slave-owning Founding Chads accounts in part for the current project to cancel them.

    • Agree: simple mind
    • Replies: @Anon
  10. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Believe it or not, the supposedly greatest woman “genius” of all time, Emmy Noether, is also a hoax. All of the supposed “her” works are either 1) just trivial(for example: The Isomorphism Theorems), or 2) other people’s work. The latter is exactly like the Einstein case – special relativity is Hilbert’s, not Einstein.

    And guess what, Emmy Noether is not only a woman, she is…………….Jewish. I rest my case.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anon
  11. G. Poulin says:

    You take Ada. I’ll take Linda.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @BananaKilt
  12. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    OP:Ada Lovelace is another gigantic feminist hoax

    The first comment: I know a woman who is a computer genius

    See, the feminist brainwashing is really the greatest, the most powerful brainwashing of all time. At least 90% of the so-called “right-wings” are diehard feminists, who will sacrifice literally everything to save a woman “genius” hoaxes, gender equality, career women and whatnot.

    These people are supposedly against Jews and fed and trannism and all, and yet they fully, wholeheartedly support the most dangerous, the most harmful of all, feminism. They are supposedly “against” feminism, but they fully support career women, women “geniuses”, gender equality, women in politics, and most of all the various rape hoaxes. It’s all so tiresome, really.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF, joe862
    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Blodgie
    , @Poco
  13. Alrenous says: • Website

    The Royal Society’s motto is correct: nullius in verba. It’s well-known that most human beliefs are superstition. The correct thing to do is not to disprove each superstition one by one, but to discard them wholesale. Fish them out of the bin if and only if you have strong specific evidence disproving the hypothesis it’s hallucination and social hysteria.

    More precisely, remember Conquests’ laws, particularly the first. When it’s someone’s job to know something, you can be fairly confident they in fact know it. If you want to know about welding, ask a welder.
    Will anyone get fired for not knowing the true history of computing? I can’t think of anyone. It is nobody’s Conquest #1, and thus I would expect it to be full of mythology and virtue signalling.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  14. Eudion2 says:

    If she wasnt a woke icon, Ada Lovelace would be a heartwarming story about a young, beautiful, intelligent socialite who turned her back on social climbing to do something of material use for humanity.

    • Replies: @SIMP simp
  15. I call this phenomenon Feminist Revisionist History. It is a full scale industry now. Another example is claiming Eunice Foote discovered the heat trapping quality of CO2 before John Tyndall.

  16. El Dato says:
    @obwandiyag

    Seems pretty stereotype-laden.

    > barely able to function in the real world

    Really.

  17. Herr K says:

    Perhaps the whole text was just a container for these two sentences:

    “American exceptionalism? – What about slavery?
    The moral quality of British culture? – What about opium wars?”

    Establish first something akin to 1647*27172=44752284, and then claim, say, “similarly, I am the greatest.”

    That Ada Lovelace was not the first programmer, and contributed nothing, are just little facts.
    Statements about “American exceptionalism” and “the moral quality of British culture” are just myths.

    • Replies: @Marcus Devonshire
  18. While definitely not the first computer programmer, you could argue that she was the first person to grasp that a computer could be used for more than number crunching.

    Apparently Babbage only thought about using his machine to crunch numbers. Ada on the the other hand had the idea that Babbage’s machine could be programmed to create music and art.

    • Agree: Philip Owen, Right_On
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @SOL
  19. WHAT says:

    >muh murrican excepshuonalizm
    Lol. A “nation” stuck in adolescent delusion.
    >muh moral quality of brit culcha
    Double lol. They themselves wrote a lot about how much of a sham it was.

  20. the reason those at the top attack white males and elevate females & minorities is because this is all part of a war waged by Capital against Labor…white males were historically Labor. Capital is always seeking to disadvantage Labor. This started over a century ago. It’s just about Capital vs Labor. Always was.

  21. El Dato says:

    Ada lovelace was not the first programmer, nor was she any kind of genius and she contributed almost nothing to the field of computing. Almost all of the claims about her are wrong and together they constitute the biggest lies told in the field of tech.

    Not a lie, but a good story. Sadly, as we have seen with the “Hidden Figures” sharknado, this is the raw material that mindless celebration thrives on.

    Ada’s work on how to compute Bernoulli Numbers on the entirely non-existent Analytical Engine (the next attempt at building a mechanical fully-programmable computer would be the Zuse Z1 of 1935) is indeed hers and was not copied from Menabrea’s work.

    From an article in Scientific American, (“Ada and the First Computer”, Eugene Eric Kim and Betty Alexandra Toole, Scientific American May 1999):

    [MORE]

    With that suggestion [Babbage telling Add to add annotates to her translation of Menabrea’s work on how to “write programs” for the (non-existent) “Analytical Engine”] began a major collaboration that resulted in Ada’s publishing the first paper to discuss the programming of a computer at great length; it was to be the only such paper in existence for the next century. She included seven notes in all (A through G), which combined are more than twice as long as Menabrea’s original article. An important theme was the significance of the Analytical Engine’s ability to be programmed using the Jacquard punched cards. “The distinctive characteristic of the Analytical Engine,” wrote Ada, “… is the introduction into it of the principle which Jacquard devised for regulating, by means of punched cards, the most complicated patterns in the fabrication of brocaded stuffs…. We say most aptly that the Analytical Engine weaves algebraical patterns just as the Jacquard loom weaves flowers and leaves.”

    Cards were a particularly clever solution for weaving cloth [rather, for storing the information about the weaving cloth pattern] — or for performing calculations — because they allowed any desired pattern — or equation — to be generated automatically. Ada went on to elaborate greatly on Menabrea’s descriptions and to examine the gritty details of programming the Analytical Engine. For example, she emphasized the computational importance of the engine’s ability to branch to different instructions based on certain conditions, and she drew the distinction between what was theoretically possible to compute and what was, in reality, impractical [this of course far from any questions regarding P vs. NP, one will have to wait for 1950+ for that]. Ada also wrote about the benefits of the Analytical Engine’s ability to reuse code. In addition, in describing the symbolic processing powers of the engine, she wrote of its potential to compose music: “Supposing, for instance, that the fundamental relations of pitched sounds in the science of harmony and of musical composition were susceptible of such expression and adaptations, the engine might compose elaborate and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity or extent.”

    In a letter to Babbage dated July 1843, Ada wrote, “I want to put in something about Bernoulli’s Numbers, in one of my Notes, as an example of how an implicit function may be worked out by the engine, without having been worked out by human head & hands first. Give me the necessary data & formulae.” Ada had studied Bernoulli numbers with De Morgan two years before but apparently needed to refresh her memory of the formula for generating them. From this letter, two things are clear. First, including a program that computed Bernoulli numbers was Ada’s idea. Second, Babbage at the very least provided the formulas for calculating Bernoulli numbers, a fact he confirmed 21 years later in his autobiography, “Passages from the Life of a Philosopher”. We cannot know for certain the extent to which Babbage helped Ada on the Bernoulli numbers program. She was certainly capable of writing the program herself given the proper formula; this is clear from her depth of understanding regarding the process of programming and from her improvements on Babbage’s programming notation. Additionally, letters between Babbage and Ada at the time seem to indicate that Babbage’s contributions were limited to the mathematical formula and that Ada created the program herself. While she was working on the program, Ada wrote to Babbage, “I have worked incessantly, & most successfully, all day. You will admire the Table & Diagram extremely. They have been made out with extreme care, & all the indices most minutely & scrupulously attended to.” The importance of Ada’s choosing to write this program cannot be overstated. Babbage had written several small programs for the Analytical Engine in his notebook in 1836 and 1837, but none of them approached the complexity of the Bernoulli numbers program. Because of her earlier tutelage, Ada was at least familiar with the numbers’ properties. It is possible that Ada recognized that a Bernoulli numbers program would nicely demonstrate some of the Analytical Engine’s key features, such as conditional branching. Also, because Menabrea had alluded to the Bernoulli numbers in his article, Ada’s program tied in nicely with her translation of Menabrea.

    Finally, any discussion of Ada’s work would not be complete without mentioning Dorothy Stein of the University of London, perhaps Ada’s most outspoken critic, who wrote Ada: A Life and a Legacy in 1985. One of Stein’s assertions was that Ada was an incompetent mathematician who was not capable of writing the Bernoulli numbers program herself, an idea that has since been expressed by others. Stein’s conclusion is based primarily on two pieces of evidence. First, she points out a mathematical error in Ada’s translation of Menabrea, in which she translated a French typo into an impossible mathematical statement. Menabrea’s original paper read “le cos. [cosine] de n = ∞,” when it should have read “le cas [case] de n = ∞.” The proper translation would have been “in the case of n = ∞,” but Ada translated the statement literally to “when the cos n = ∞,” a mathematical impossibility. Second, Stein quotes letters between Ada and her tutors that show that Ada had difficulty with functional substitution (proving an equation by substituting a function with its identity). Stein writes, “The evidence of the tenuousness with which she grasped the subject of mathematics would be difficult to credit about one who succeeded in gaining a contemporary and posthumous reputation as a mathematical talent, if there were not so much of it.” Ada indeed mistakenly translated one of Menabrea’s statements, but it cannot be fairly attributed to mathematical incompetence. It was not the only mistake in her article; Ada even miswrote her initials on her final note as “A.L.L.” [get some sleep, Ada!] instead of “A.A.L.” Her 65 pages of translation and annotations were peer-reviewed by Babbage and others, who also overlooked the errors.

    Here’s Tracy Kidder (author of “The Soul of a New Machine”) reviewes “Ada: A Life and Legacy” by Dorothy Stein at the NYT, 1985-12-29. Women writing about women writing about women!

    Less and more than meets the eye

    Nearly everyone who has written about the history of computers has at least bowed to Babbage, who dreamed up the outlines of the modern computer about a century before the kind of machine he envisioned was actually built. In fact, Babbage’s work on his Analytical Engine had nothing directly to do with the eventual creation of functional automatic stored-program computers. Babbage may have made a more significant contribution to history through his prescription for the fragmentation of craft labor, a contribution to profit and drudgery for which no industrial worker would thank him. But never mind. He was a versatile and brilliant – and notoriously cantankerous – figure, and his early, stillborn work on the computer makes an intriguing episode in the history of science and technology. A number of sensible commentators have supposed that the Countess gave him important help as his patron and an interpreter of his ideas. Both of them left that impression, and modern writers have embellished it, portraying her as an adept mathematician who understood his ideas to their depths. Indeed, she has been elevated to the status of an early heroine of the computer age. She’s even had a very important computer language -ADA – named after her.

    Most biographers, presented with the curious facts of the Countess’s life, would do everything to argue for her place in history. Dorothy Stein, a psychologist with a background in physics and computer programming, has resisted the temptation. She has gone back to original documents and studied them for what they mean as well as what they seem to say. Mrs. Stein shows that in spite of extremely able tutors and abundant time for study, the Countess was no mathematician. She never really mastered calculus. She did help Babbage publicize his machine, but she was also a highhanded and interfering sort of friend to him. She translated from French into English a paper by Luigi Menabrea on the Analytical Engine, and she appended to it a set of notes that form the only real basis for her scientific reputation. Mrs. Stein, who is very convincing on technical issues, makes it clear that the Countess got a great deal of help from Babbage in composing those notes and that, in any case, the notes do as much to deepen the mysteries of the subject as to explain the principles and capacities of the imagined machine.

    Go Ada!

    • Thanks: Hibernian, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  22. Shpalone says:

    The feminist inferiority complex knows no bounds. And sadly we have allowed these lunatics to dominate the media, thats why we hear all kinds of nonsense. And the daily misandry is barely noticed, we have gotten used to it.

    A year or two ago there was another story by the media how a woman wrote a program for a satellite that landed on a comet. Turned out she wrote about 10% of it, the guy who wrote the hard part? Well, the media wasnt so much interested in him.

    BY now every reasonable person recognizes differenes in men and women, even the feminists. So they have started lying to keep that money flowing as long as they can.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
    , @Furrbaby
  23. “Special attention is given to “women in tech” because it’s a cushy position for people of higher ability than normal. It’s for the smart, the creative, the logically minded, and it must hurt quite a bit to see one’s own sex so under-represented. ”

    In India, the average salary of programmers and developers is little over \$38,000. The national average salary for a Programmer is ₨32,500 in Pakistan (hopefully \$32,500 if really in Pakistani rupees is \$183.62). Mathematics has always been a highly popular and admired field in the Subcontinent (on par with basketball in the US), they have a long list of mathematical geniuses and they supply much of the coders/ programmers in the computing world (partly because they excel at it, but also because they are cheap and a bit interchangeable).

    Joe Biden promised to turn all American coal miners (median salary of \$54,000) into coders, but few will be competitive with the Indians and Pakistani. Unless you are truly a genius and are willing to start at the very bottom with access to the best equipment, the computer science field is flooded (interfacing with other sciences seems most promising, such as their brilliant predicting of Coovid deaths.) Much better for coal miners to apprentice under Hunter, like Rembrandt’s studio, and get a cut of those \$500,000 paintings.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  24. Anon[723] • Disclaimer says:

    The social manipulators have to destroy and re-create history (and prehistory) to distract people from inconvenient truths.

    You wouldn’t believe how deep it goes. We’re living in a world where the default narrative has to be assumed as falsified and where truth is routinely covered up with lies. As long as information can be distributed easily (digitally), with no standards for verifiability, we will be fighting an uphill battle against a constant wave of lies, which will destroy our society.

  25. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    You people are the salt of the Earth because you talk shit about things you know nothing about

    > All of the supposed “her” works are either 1) just trivial

    No.

    > special relativity is Hilbert’s, not Einstein.

    The formula is Lorentz’s. Hilbert had NOTHING to do with it. Einstein was the guy who took the formula at face value – no need for a rest frame. Then his uncooked idea was made elegant by Minkovski: a 4-d spacetime with special metric.

    After that (i.e. 10 years later) came General Relativity, which was of course the REAL deal.

    At least I’m thankful that you didn’t bring up “Einstein’s wife Milena did everything, Serbia strong.”

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Realist
  26. El Dato says:
    @G. Poulin

    I see you are a man of culture, too.

    Linda Coordination Language

    Linda is named after Linda Lovelace, the screen name of an actress in the pornographic film Deep Throat. The name is a pun on Ada’s tribute to Ada Lovelace.

  27. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    obwandiyag is actually a special case, not “right-wing”, as you will discover.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  28. @Sisifo

    That’s where all this suddenly new found BS comes from. blacks running around with their cuck White lib d-bags saying blacks invented everything. So now you have women doing the same childish BS. blacks started all this ” we invented everything”. We Wuz Kangz and Queenzzz an Wakandanzzzzz an sheit!

  29. @Shpalone

    “The black inferiority complex knows no bounds. And sadly we have allowed these lunatics to dominate the media, thats why we hear all kinds of nonsense. where all this suddenly new found BS comes from. blacks running around with their cuck White lib d-bags saying blacks invented everything. So now you have women doing the same childish BS. blacks started all this ” we invented everything”. We Wuz Kangz and Queenzzz an Wakandanzzzzz an sheit!

  30. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Mileva Marić is today generally accepted to be the founder of the theory of relativity. ( not Einstein ) . That’s why she received the prize money from the Nobel Prize ( although not the prize )

    • Replies: @El Dato
  31. MLK says:

    I’ve long been fascinated with these faerie stories peddled to make particular self-loathing individuals feel better about themselves.

    You will note that I referred to individuals. Each of us is responsible for whom we claim an association and to what end.

    The conspiracy theory that “we” believe women have never accomplished anything of note is as much of an insult to one’s intelligence as the claim that only recently did we figure out that the climate changes.

    That men alone birthed art . . .

    This use of the word “birthed” is a giant tell. A mere inkling of the misogyny that pervades those who speak of “people with vaginas.” Don’t get me wrong, something akin to the old joke about an anti-semite being someone who hates Jews more than is reasonable applies to misogyny. But as they say about everything these days, except that for which it’s true, it’s unprecedented these days.

    To end with another phrase currently subject to sophistry, the data is in, most women and men know that accomplished men are the least likely to disrespect, let alone deny, women their achievements.

    • Agree: El Dato
  32. Hibernian says:
    @El Dato

    She included seven notes in all (A through G), which combined are more than twice as long as Menabrea’s original article.

    This.

    The Kidder review shows she got a lot of help and was not a genius. She was a technician who could operate with a fair degree of independence. However, those who say she did nothing are wrong. She was a pioneer for women whose roles were generally very limited at the time.

  33. El Dato says:
    @Francis Miville

    > analytical engine were analogue, not digital

    Absolutely wrong.

    If you have “punch cards” you have discrete symbols: The digital domain.

    more elaborate operations such as differentiation and integration were done by the means of turning wheels and clocks.

    Not at all. The “turning of wheels” was meant to input energy. The data was discrete: columns of symbols 0…9 (at least for the Difference Engine, but the Analytical Engine, never built or completely designed, would have been constructed with the same principles)

    Babbage could not see his invention implemented for real but up through WWII the best American computers were based on Babbage’s concept and were called differential analysers.

    No. Vannevar Bush “differential analyzer” had nothing to do with Babbage engines (or Scheutz engines for that matter) and was indeed an analogue computer: a value is represent directly by a continuous physical mean (charge, position on a rotating drum etc). Compare with floating point numbers, which are strings of symbols, i.e. digital.

    A differential analyzer and a Babbage engine just look somewhat similar to the amateur eye: they have cogs and wheel and steel rods.

    > first by Züse

    Should be “Zuse”

    > during WWII in Germany for the guiding of V2s

    No. The Z-series machines had nothing to do with rocketeering for the A4. I guess they did the engineering computations by hand. For flight guidance, an analog computer, the Mischgerät, was used – that’s cybernetics.

    > before being more mathematically formalized by Türing later on in Britain

    No. Turing’s approach at formalizing what is meant by “computation” happened in the mid-30s (the third formalization after Church’s Lambda calculus and Gödel’s recursive functions). After the war, he worked on the ACE. Can’t find out rapidly now, but it is unlikely it looked like a real-world Turing Machine. Nothing looks like a Turing Machine, except the Lego Turing Machine (and it cheats by using a computer inside to control the mechanics).

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  34. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    > generally accepted to be the founder of the theory of relativity

    By 2 people on the Internet. Who have to look up “Special” and “General” in a thesaurus.

    > That’s why she received the prize money from the Nobel Prize

    When he received the Nobel Prize in 1921 [for the photo-electric effect], he transferred the money to Marić, chiefly to support their sons.

    Maybe stop making shit up from your fantasy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  35. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @advancedatheist

    Actually, the hefty European admixture in today’s African-Americans, almost entirely male-mediated, suggests that the Founding Chads preferred black women. There were actually very few European female immigrants to the pre-1800s Americas, nor is there any indication they were much desired.

    I suspect this is what motivates estrogen-deficient, flat booty white women to make posts similar to yours on Unz.com

    • LOL: simple mind
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. The Babbage story is fascinating in how concepts from textile technology influenced early computer development. Feminists have pumped up Ada Lovelace far beyond her actual contributions and that is not her fault. Babbage should be remembered as enduring the first computer project failure, which was really the result of poor project management, diminished salesmanship, and reduced government support. This will all be detailed in my upcoming internet opus “Coding Sucks, And Why You Should Avoid It”.

    And don’t get me started on co-workers.

  37. Alfred says:
    @wretechedraaches

    Apparently Babbage only thought about using his machine to crunch numbers. Ada on the the other hand had the idea that Babbage’s machine could be programmed to create music and art.

    A bit like saying that the guy who invented fire did not think that his discovery can be used to help paint in caves. 🤣

    • Replies: @simple mind
  38. Alfred says:
    @El Dato

    Real Programmers Don’t Use Pascal

    I use a modern version of Pascal – Delphi. But I only use the PC part of the product. I don’t develop Apps.

    Build Native Apps 5x Faster With One Codebase For Windows, Android, iOS, macOS, and Linux

    I am pretty sure that to develop almost any desktop application, Delphi is the fastest. The compilation speed is superlative. And the performance of the compiled code is comparable to other languages.

    The main drawback with Delphi is its cost.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Ivan
  39. @Sisifo

    Some idiot at a party, a chick, was pushing Hidden Figures and the lie that Glenn wouldn’t launch without proof the Figures checked the math. My reply to said idiot was to check out the date that whole story and movie came out, which was held back until immediately AFTER Glenn died, because dead men tell no truth. Glenn wrote books and gave hundreds of interviews and never mentioned the Figures. I mentioned only that to her and she finally STFU. Chicks tell and maybe believe any lies that stretch their inadequacy to adequacy, which is obvious in whatever endeavor besides child bearing. And here they are, throwing away the only thing they’re capable of and good at, potentially, anyway, by saying, “of course trannies can bear children”.

    Nuff said.

  40. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Ada Lovelace reincarnated as Albert Einstein hence all the fuss.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  41. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Hard to believe that buffaloes were preferable to cows … maybe because you can do sordid things to the wild beasts which ought not be done to a holy thing.

  42. I spent decades writing code in 22 languages. I was also a programming manager for mainframe shops for many years.

    I never hired a woman over decades. Not because I had anything against them, but none ever showed up for an interview. The type of work I was involved in was hard core operating system internals. Only men would even consider themselves capable of doing that work and those that showed up for an interview already told me that they think they’ve got the brains and drive to augment and debug an operating system or its components.

    The women “programmers” I encountered were always part of some report writing team running languages I’d never stoop to use or they fed data into applications like a data dictionary. Fluff stuff. Software development is a man’s forte and women aren’t cut out for the tough work.

    • Agree: Stones
  43. When I read stuff like this, I am reminded of Chekhov’s cynical put down of uber macho stuff:

    Women are this, that, cannot do this, that….just, without women – there wouldn’t be men.

  44. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Get the fuck off of this platform you disgusting matriarchical beta cuck.

    • Disagree: Alfred
  45. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    You’re the one making “shit” up, pal, and you’re ignorance isn’t worth replying to in detail. Everything pointed out by anon is correct. Moreover, when challenged in person, a big mouthed four-flusher like you disappears up his own arse like the Cheshire Cat with a shit-eating grin on his face. Next time, speak some algebra for us, OK?

    • Replies: @anon
  46. 1RW says:

    “ The moral quality of British culture? – What about opium wars?”

    That is one of many demonstrations of the moral quality of British culture. By their fruits ye shall know them.

  47. @Bardon Kaldian

    “without women – there wouldn’t be men”

    Which is why the more intelligent a woman is, the more babies she should have – pretty much the opposite of what actually happens in Western culture (and in Eastern too, if LKY’s failure to get bright Singaporean women to breed is any guide).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  48. AReply says:

    //Claims that Ada “wrote” the program in the published paper are incorrect. The program was written by Babbage in Turin, two years prior. Claims that she is the “first published programmer” or that the program is “hers” are more insidious. If you wrote a formula which you presented in a lecture, which would then be included in a translated paper by someone else – would that person deserve the credit for the formula? I have a hard time thinking that if such a case were made before a modern peer-review board…//

    Dear Marcus Devonshire, Hopefully you have a hard time when you’re masturbating too but such details are no more relevant to this topic than is your insipid quasi-intellectual hit piece on history. “Peer review board”? What a prick.

    Automata had been produced well before Babbage’s work, machines which were inherently programmatic in the sense of clocks. Never mind the Antikythera Mechanism, or Stone Henge: How about the Jacquard loom?

    This is articles premise puts its author’s confusion in good company of the history of science. Is the mind of the writer of this article programmed by God?

    Dumb fuck.

    If you’re going to pick your topic apart on such weasely semantics, to be fair you’re going to have to de-construct and attribute your own sense of free will to the review board. Good luck on your thesis!

    This article’s premise, which yet another in a seemingly endless run of Unzcom questions begged to justify bigotry under a ridiculous and disgustingly false pretense of open-mindedness, can be destroyed by a simple observation:

    [MORE]

    A key distinction of a programmable system is that the people who design and build the programs are different than the people who design and build the machine that runs the programs, where the productive nature of the machine is defined by the programmer, not intrinsic to arrangement of the machine. (Alan Turing had a lot to say about this last part as he served his country and did his part to secure the free world, while dumbshits in the vein of Unz-heads were hard at work with a bent to destroy his life.) The challenge of developing the instructions for a programmable machine is a special kind of work with social sorts of theory all of its own, and it’s by reckoning such a point of view that Ada Lovelace came to fame.

    But don’t let your shorts stay in a bunch over stupid semantics of invention. The Lovelace story is also appealing because it reveals that the threshold of great invention was crossed by free people with the social access to new means of production and new intellects able to make sense of an ‘intelligible’ world, including women (OMFG!) rather than an orthodox clergy under the rule of a monarch whose power is passed unto his holy bloodline from God himself.

    Honestly Devonshire, WTF are you going on about?

    It might be helpful to Unz’ socratic sewing circle to review Issac Asimov on the distinction between right and wrong. Maybe Asimov’s tract will pry heads out of assess around here:

    Issac Asimov on Wrongness
    https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html

    //In his discussions of such matters as “What is justice?” or “What is virtue?” Socrates took the attitude that he knew nothing and had to be instructed by others. (This is called “Socratic irony,” for Socrates knew very well that he knew a great deal more than the poor souls he was picking on.) By pretending ignorance, Socrates lured others into propounding their views on such abstractions. Socrates then, by a series of ignorant-sounding questions, forced the others into such a mélange of self-contradictions that they would finally break down and admit they didn’t know what they were talking about.

    John Campbell specialized in irritating me. He told me that all theories are proven wrong in time. My answer to him was, “John, when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.”

    People think that “right” and “wrong” are absolute; that everything that isn’t perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong.// [fucking Chistopathic Republicans]

    [Also see Aufheben / Hegelian negation]

    ——
    Chomsky On Language, Mind and the Limits of Understanding
    https://chomsky.info/201401__/

    //As the import of Newton’s discoveries was gradually assimilated in the sciences, the “absurdity’ recognized by Newton [gravity] and his great contemporaries became scientific common sense. The properties of the natural world are inconceivable to us, but that does not matter. The goals of scientific inquiry were implicitly restricted: from the kind of conceivability that was a criterion for true understanding in early modern science from Galileo through Newton and beyond, to something much more limited: intelligibility of theories about the world. This seems to me a step of considerable significance in the history of human thought and inquiry, more so than is generally recognized, though it has been understood by historians of science.//

    • Troll: RoatanBill
  49. Receptionist:How do you write women so well?

    Melvin Udall:I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”

    Lovelace being the “mother of computer programming” is f-a-r from the biggest lie big tech promotes in the world.

  50. Furrbaby says:
    @Shpalone

    It was the era of the ugly snotty feminist until the focus was shifted to the coronation of saint george F two years ago and the plight of blacks. We were being bombarded with the little ugly feminist ‘who could’ stories of female super-human acheivements. . These over-grown little girl chatterboxes on t.v news constantly run their mouths spewing their propaganda. They decide what is news and then slant it to suit their purpose.
    People should be able to trust the news. News is vital to the public and to democracy and despite this truism the news corporations do not understand that a chatterbox feminzed overgrown- college- girl with a microphone is not the kind of figure that many in the public have confidence or trust in to inform on important matters. It’s no wonder people dont trust the media in the U.S.

  51. Blodgie says:
    @Anonymous

    Nothing corrupts a man like having a daughter.

    Check out Jordan Peterson calling for everyone on Twitter to use their real names because his thot daughter is getting shit for being a grifter.

    • LOL: Rosie
  52. Wyatt says:

    American exceptionalism? – What about slavery?

    I’m so sick of hearing about negros having to actually work as being the greatest injustice America ever perpetrated. We were genociding Native Americans for almost 400 years. They lost like 60 million people and have been ghettoized on their reservations like the jews during WW2. Stop buying into this afrophilic bullshit and stop giving them clout for their incessant complaining.

  53. Che Guava says:

    I recall having been taught that Captain Grace Hopper created Cobol.

    In later reading, I found that she was part of a committee which defined a precursor to Cobol, it never was much in itself.

    I am quite sure that Hopper was knowledgable about principles of programming, but she did not create Cobol.

    I also read (I think widely disseminated) a tale that she coined the usage of ‘bug’ in U.S. English and then more widely, for problems, one account claiming it was from a literal insect or something in the hardware.

    In later reading, I found the term had been in common usage by U.S. engineers for many years before.

    She had a post-humous promotion to Commodore, which, with the general U.S. military grade inflation, now makes her a Rear-Admiral.

    For those with ambition, banks and such have a mega-load of Cobol code that they will never pay to modernise (and why fix it if it isn’t broken?).

    Cobol is easy to learn, and old enough that the older programmers are retiring and dieing.

    Hook programs in C and its relatives, even Lua, and SQL for Cobol base should be boring, but profitable paths.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  54. Maddaugh says:

    It is a near-universal claim that the world’s first computer programmer was Ada Lovelace. She is referred to as the “enchantress of numbers”, a mathematical genius, a visionary and a fundamental contributor to the field of computing. The second Tuesday of October is “Ada Lovelace day” – an event to celebrate women’s achievements in STEM[4]. There is even a programming language named after her.

    It is a near-universal claim that the world’s first special effects fellator was Linda Lovelace. She is referred to as the “enchantress of sledge”, a tooling genius, a visionary and a fundamental contributor to the field of head. Every day is “Linda Lovelace day” – an event to celebrate women’s achievements in STEM polishing. There is even a language named after her…Deep Throat !

    Is UR running out of stuff to publish ? For a show of hands how many would have wanted to spend a day A Da ? And how many a day with Lin Da ? I rest my case !

    We need get out of bed anxious to read the latest daily UR expose not this tripe .

  55. Wild Bill says:
    @obwandiyag

    Enough! Man or woman, black or white or nondescript, stop buying into these divide and conquer conversations. There is a mobilized plan in place to “kill and bury your ass” so best pay attention to the problem at hand or by 2025 you will not be here.

  56. Dystopian says:
    @obwandiyag

    I have worked my whole career working on large system electronics. The legend of the female electronic genius appeared in the 70’s. But like Bigfoot and the black electronic genius that is believed to exist by many, there have been no authenticated sightings.

  57. Rosie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Which is why the more intelligent a woman is, the more babies she should have – pretty much the opposite of what actually happens in Western culture

    That would suggest a problem with the incentive structure, wouldn’t it?

    If the maternal work of intelligent women is that important, pay up.

  58. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Said literally no one in post-matriarchical, pre-feminist history, ever.

    Imagine actually believing your worthless ass is entitled to money for childbirth.

    Turns out white feminists are the actual Jews.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  59. @Rosie

    If the maternal work of intelligent women is that important, pay up.

    I’ve been saying this for years, but nobody listens …

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anon
  60. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Said literally no one in post-matriarchical, pre-feminist history, ever.

    Imagine actually believing your worthless ass is entitled to money for childbirth.

    My God what a dumbass! It has been generally understood throughout human history that women are entitled to support for childbirth.

    You just don’t like us having the power to bargain for better pay and working conditions. Tough sh!t

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
    , @Anonymous
  61. Rosie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I’ve been saying this for years, but nobody listens …

    I get:

    Respect and companionship.
    The opportunity to teach my children.
    Discretionary use of my husband’s credit card.
    Some leisure time to pursue my own interests.

    I consider myself very well-renumerated. Of course, the pigs here at Unz would call Mr. Rosie a “cuck” or “White knight” or “simp” or whatever the insult du jour for nice husbands is nowadays.

    A paycheck or stipend of some sort would certainly sweeten the deal, but ultimately I’m satisfied with the above.

  62. @Rosie

    You feminists are repulsive creatures. White feminists are the exemplar shabbos goys and the main weapon, even more destructive than blacks, of the talmudics.

    Imagine the vile nature and mental derangement that is necessary for a female to want to be paid to be a mother…

    • Replies: @white ho
    , @Rosie
  63. Poco says:
    @Anonymous

    Obwandiyag is not a right winger.

  64. @Bardon Kaldian

    And without men there would not be any women–or civilization.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  65. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    It has been generally understood throughout human history that women are entitled to support for childbirth.

    LOL – so delusional.

  66. Grimace says:

    My wife is a mathematical genius, with degrees to boot. She can understand anything she sets out to. I fall a bit short or that, but I can golf scratch, which is nice.

  67. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Weak men usually are ignored.

    • Agree: W
  68. Hibernian says:
    @Che Guava

    For those with ambition, banks and such have a mega-load of Cobol code that they will never pay to modernise (and why fix it if it isn’t broken?).

    My uncle had a career as a consultant programming for businesses, and I think in his later years this was with legacy systems. A lot of businesses are increasingly using software as a service – systems such as SAP. Didn’t a lot of the legacy systems have to be significantly modified for Y2K?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Che Guava
  69. gfsdhjk says:

    Finally, someone tells the truth about Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage.

    There is huge political demand for women in STEM. That is what drives these lies and propaganda. Female contribution to STEM has always been vastly less than men. Over 90% of programmers today (according to StackOverflow) are male, for example.

  70. Marcion says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie, how about an example of these anti-woman ‘pigs’ you mention.

    You do understand, hopefully, that there is no way that our governments would give money specifically to intelligent mothers. Quite the opposite.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Carroll price
  71. white ho says:
    @RedpilledAF

    White womyn are the useful idiots of the ((termites)). They deserve the worst this world can dish out.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  72. @Rosie

    Would it be mansplaining to point out that it’s remunerated?

    For an independent source of income, an animal rescue channel on YouTube is an idea.

    • LOL: Rosie
  73. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    thanks for the backup. Members of a certain ethnic group really get the dander up whenever Mileva Marić is mentioned. It might be these people are worried that the truth become known that this certain ethnic group only steals other people’s ideas. Mighty touchy aren’t they ?

    • Agree: Che Guava
  74. Rosie says:
    @RedpilledAF

    And without men there would not be any women–or civilization.

    Lol . I always get a kick out of this baseless claim. I suppose it’s true in some sense, insofar as civilization is defined as those institutions that exist to control men, which of course, we wouldn’t need without you around. We could get rid of the military-industrial and prison compexes in toto.

  75. @white ho

    To meet a white female in America that is not angry, belligerent, selfish, and delusional is becoming very rare. Even the ones that claim to be against feminism are inculcated with feminism. Regardless of whatever they claim on the political spectrum, there is almost no traditional feminine white females left (whether wife quality or slut), it seems. The Talmudic brainwashing has worked marvelously.

    • Replies: @white ho
    , @Maddaugh
  76. Rosie says:
    @RedpilledAF

    You feminists are repulsive creatures.

    The feelings mutual.

    Imagine the vile nature and mental derangement that is necessary for a female to want to be paid to be a mother…

    Imagine the vile nature and entitled arrogance that is necessary for males like you to want to monopolize all the wealth, status, and power in society while you take women’s contributions for granted.

    You Unz pigs want to have it both ways. Motherhood is an indispensable pillar of civilization until it’s time to divide the pie, at which point it’s all yours and you do us a great favor by letting us live here.

    GFY.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  77. Rosie says:
    @Marcion

    Rosie, how about an example of these anti-woman ‘pigs’ you mention.

    You must be new here.

    If you like, scroll through my comment history to see for yourself the appalling misogyny of these cretins I unfortunately have to babysit.

    You do understand, hopefully, that there is no way that our governments would give money specifically to intelligent mothers. Quite the opposite.

    Of course not. It’s a useful thought experiment nonetheless. As you can see, it is the very idea of sharing wealth and power with women that these pigs cannot abide. They don’t want wives; they want servants.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  78. @Rosie

    “If the maternal work of intelligent women is that important, pay up.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_planning_in_Singapore#Demographic_transition_and_the_Graduate_Mothers_Scheme

    In October 1987, future Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, then a young Brigadier-General, exhorted Singaporeans to procreate rather than “passively watch ourselves going extinct”. United Press International noted the “baffled” reaction of parents, many who had grown up in an era where they were told that having more than two children was “antisocial”. One parent commented, “are we being told to have more children for the sake of the country or for ourselves?” Goh Chok Tong, despite the scepticism, remained optimistic that the population rate would be restored to the replacement rate by 1995. An NUS sociologist however, observed that Singapore had “a new breed of women” – one “involved in their careers [and] used to a certain amount of leisure and more material possessions” – and hence would not be as receptive to financial incentives as previous women of the 1960s and the 1970s. As of 2011, Singapore’s birth rate has not yet been restored to replacement level.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  79. SafeNow says:

    Men readily acknowledge that women make the best kindergarten teachers, nurses, and dentists (small hands, fastidious sensibility). And yet I have never heard women proudly assert this superiority, or, acknowledge that men make the best electricians. Men are more candid and accepting about this. I think a Border Collie knows in his heart that he would not make a good hunting dog. but is content to be a skilled herding dog.

    • Agree: Stones
  80. @Hibernian

    “Didn’t a lot of the legacy systems have to be significantly modified for Y2K?”

    I worked on that for a year, way back when. Actually there were very few issues given the size of resource we devoted to it, and they were pretty much all concerned with mainframe code from the days when storage space was at a premium and people stored dates in 6 chrs e.g. ddmmyy. There were also a few PC apps like that.

    Fixes were not exactly rocket science. Make the dates 8-chr, conversion routines like

    If yy < 20 then cc = 20
    Else cc=19
    End-If

    Although birth dates were treated differently because of elderly people.

    Consultancy firms frightened chief execs with tales that the electric doors wouldn't open, the lifts wouldn't work, planes would fall out of the sky etc. They frightened our execs so well that the senior IT people got paid an extra years salary as a "retention bonus" to stay until end 2000, so we could fix the expected problems (which we'd fixed well before 31/12/1999). Paid off a chunk of my mortgage, even with the extra tax.

  81. @obwandiyag

    I spent my entire career, 1980-2020, in computing. In those 40 years, I encountered one outstanding female. One. The others were without exception either barely competent or were in their positions solely as a result of what I called “the good old girls network” i.e. were placed in positions for which they were not qualified by female managers who were themselves not qualified. More than once I got into trouble for essentially telling these women to shut up, but as I told my own manager, “I won’t be lectured by morons.” In other words, we may have to accept that the corporate hierarchy forces us to permit these boobs to set requirements, but they need to keep out of the way when it comes to design and implementation.

  82. @Herr K

    If those two lines aggrieve you, feel free to substitute two other what-aboutisms. I didn’t intend them to be the point of the the article, but merely to demonstrate the point about how people reject things with learned rebuttal points.

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
  83. @Rosie

    Ah Rosie, where were you when I was a young man seeking a wife? All I could find were women who wanted not to partner with me, but to compete with me. They couldn’t succeed in the latter, and (therefore?) they weren’t interested in the former. As time passed and I became more successful, all I could find were damaged women from broken marriages who were seeking a free ride. As a friend of mine once said, “She’s a great housekeeper. Been divorced twice and kept the house both times.”

    • Thanks: Rosie
    • Replies: @W
  84. @Marcion

    To my knowledge, Nazis were the only people with enough vision to provide encouragement and monetary assistance to intelligent couples of child-bearing age.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  85. ricpic says:

    For the classical music lovers on this thread there actually was a female composer who held her own during the first half of the nineteenth century against the male greats of that very great period. She was French. Louise Farrenc. Born in 1804. Her great strength is in chamber music, pieces for anywhere from 3 to 9 instruments. She is very melodic but not at all lacking in forceful phrasing. If you are interested I suggest you start with her Nonet. If that doesn’t appeal to you the rest of her work won’t either. If it does I would suggest her quintet for piano and winds and her trios for piano, flute and cello and piano, clarinet and cello. All available at YouTube.

    So are there female geniuses? In Farrenc’s case I would say yes. You decide.

  86. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Motherhood only exists in countries where men monopolize wealth, resources and power.

    Truth be told, men own motherhood as well.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  87. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Motherhood only exists in countries where men monopolize wealth, resources and power.

    Truth be told, men own motherhood as well.

    Shut up, pig. You’re a liar. Motherhood can only exist where women share wealth and power. Other places have domestic servitude, where “Mom” is nothing more than an at-will nanny who can be fored and replaced at will.

  88. Dumbo says:

    The article itself was pretty weak and lame, the usual boilerplate, but yeah, Ada Lovelace dindu nothing.

  89. Mike Tre says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Without plants, animals would have no oxygen to breath. Doesn’t mean we start teaching kids that pine trees invented Pine-sol.

  90. Pretty pathetic misogyny. What is wrong with encouraging girls and women by elevating a woman from a time, that the author is no doubt nostalgic for, when women were merely possessions and chattels of the ‘superior’ sex?

    • Replies: @white ho
  91. Rosie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    An NUS sociologist however, observed that Singapore had “a new breed of women” – one “involved in their careers [and] used to a certain amount of leisure and more material possessions” – and hence would not be as receptive to financial incentives as previous women of the 1960s and the 1970s. As of 2011, Singapore’s birth rate has not yet been restored to replacement level.

    It sounds like that “sociologist” suffers from the same tunnel vision as you and others around here. He assumes that women unilaterally decide how many children to have, irrespective of the feelings of their partners. This is, of course, completely absurd. Apart from that, I seriously doubt any offered financial incentives came anywhere near sufficient to make a dent in the cost of raising children. A mere token sum is not going to have any more than a miniscule effect.

    But none of that really gets to the heart of the problem with this quote. The bigger problem is that it fails to take account of the fact that the majority of women, at least here, do in fact have replacement-level fertility. No woman has 1.7 kids. The childless bring down the average. Are you suggesting that some couples should have 3 or 4 to pick up the slack, without any financial incentive to do so? How are you going to convince men to reject birth control and the higher material standard of living that entails? Please explain.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  92. @Rosie

    The type see life as competition, no co-operation. Being unable to compete to their fragile ego’s liking with more domineering, unscrupulous, or ‘talented’ men, they seek solace in bullying and disrespecting women. And pushing men somehow relegated to lower ranks in some hierarchy, around. And ‘lesser’ races, of course, and animals, and the natural world etc. Bullying is a religion for these creatures.

  93. @Rosie

    AND the chauvinists and misogynists also DEMAND that women find them ‘attractive’. If not, the resentment only grows.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  94. Rosie says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    AND the chauvinists and misogynists also DEMAND that women find them ‘attractive’. If not, the resentment only grows.

    Ask any misogynist who won’t join a club that will have him as a member what it is that women want, and he will tell you that women want what he doesn’t have. The ugly man says we only care about looks; the poor man says we only care about money; the clumsy man says we only care about athletic prowess, etc. etc. etc.

    They agree on nothing but their hatred of women.

    • Replies: @Barryroe
  95. @RedpilledAF

    This. These subhuman island monkeys were among the first kike servants in Europe. The polacken came second tbh.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
  96. white ho says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    A womyn’s idea of elevating herself is tearing someone else down. That’s why we have affirmative action laws on the books even as the majority of professional graduates from our universities are female. If womyn are fully the equals of men, then they shouldn’t need special dispensation from the state to compete. We do need fewer white women in the world, though. The best shabbos goy of all are always white womyn. And the biggest cultural backstabbers of all – save for the ((termites)) – also happen to be white womyn.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  97. Buddy S. says:

    I was just looking at pictures of Ada Lovelace. Man, that girl had some good hips on her. And a big old rump.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  98. white ho says:
    @RedpilledAF

    White womyn have always been privileged relative to most other groups in society. And, in the world that has existed since circa 1970, they have been privileged above all others, their talmudic masters and mistresses being the sole exception. They are used to taking things from men; they are used to confiscating other people’s lives; and they are used to being elevated to a special status simply for checking off boxes on an application form. Narcissistic personality types are always eager to blame others for their own failings, so it was a minor matter for the ((termites)) to convince them – and they didn’t need much convincing – that evil, white men were holding them down. Even when every effort has been made to accommodate them, at the cost of great harm and pain to our sons, these c***s still aren’t satisfied. This is why I revel in certain immigrant groups pushing into the west. I shouldn’t, and their presence is dangerous, but it is always a happy occasion when some dizzy white b**** gets assaulted or worse by some simian she previously insisted was a better man than her “racist” father or spouse (the men who, incidentally, often pay for these b*****s’ education and resolve their debts). They deserve excruciating suffering. Here’s hoping they get it.

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @Rosie
  99. @Rosie

    That would suggest a problem with the incentive structure, wouldn’t it?

    If the maternal work of intelligent women is that important, pay up.

    (You say in another reply that you are satisfied with your own remuneration, so your comment is expressing a general point, not a personal grievance.)

    Attempts to fix the problem with incentives have failed. Singapore focused its efforts on women graduates; while Hungary offers incentives to all women. In Hungary, a couple gets part of their mortgage paid off each time they have a child; and if a woman has four children, she becomes exempt from income tax for life. Yet although the Hungarian birth rate has increased slightly, so has that in neighboring countries. Here’s a radical suggestion: perhaps after all women will decide for themselves how many children they want, and will not be bribed into having more.

    Western countries are in serious trouble, especially in Europe. Our birth rate has fallen well below replacement level; while immigrants from the Muslim world and Africa have much larger families than we do, and a different set of values. The core problem with feminism, and perhaps with liberty in general, is that it is not self-sustaining. Our free, individualist, and feminist society will sadly be replaced with one that is none of these things.

    We are living through a social collapse. Most people do not notice it, because it is slow. Things seem much the same now as they were five years ago (Covid excepted); but on a 50-year timescale the changes are profound and irreversible.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rosie
  100. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Guys — nobody respond to Rosie if you haven’t already. Just let her keep spewing her hysterical rage in to thin air, until she self-destructs from lack of attention. We’re re-instating the patriarchy (and manorialism) and there’s nothing she can do to stop us.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF, Maddaugh
    • LOL: Rosie
  101. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Eh, European countries are actually in a much better position than America or even Canada. All European countries are over 85% European, althouth France may be 80% European.

    By contrast, the last time the USA was over 80% European was in the early 1970s. Since then we’ve dropped to ~60%. The actual percentage is probably more like 55% because huge numbers of central American illegal immigrants evade the census, and the fatass southerners are too lazy to search for them.

    The migrants in Europe have dropped to replacement fertility; it was only the first generation wave of migrants in Europe who had substantially higher fertility. You guys won’t even be where the USA is today in 100 years. The “migrant invasion” of Europe is drastically overstated by the American fools on the right. We already went through like 20 of your “migrant invasions” since 1980.

    On the other hand, our migrants appear to have been of a much higher quality than the ones Europe got. Your migrants are useless. I hope you guys get a get a bunch of Hong Kong and Taiwanese immigrants in the near future, you could use that quality. Clearly you’re never going to stop the migrant invasion, because you guys are never gonna stop voting for socialists and eco-shits, so you might as well turn up the quality and get something useful. Also, more Thai and Vietnamese immigration would be fantastic.

  102. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    (You say in another reply that you are satisfied with your own remuneration, so your comment is expressing a general point, not a personal grievance.)

    Quite. I don’t advise other young women to follow in my footsteps unless they have a man with a titanic-sized heart of solid titanium like I do. I would feel differently if SAHM had more financial security, however that might be arranged (I have some ideas about that.)

    The core problem with feminism, and perhaps with liberty in general, is that it is not self-sustaining. Our free, individualist, and feminist society will sadly be replaced with one that is none of these things.

    Congratulations. This is the closest anyone in these forums has ever come to admitting the truth: the fundamental problem is individualism, with feminism as we know it being nothing more than individualism for women. From time to time, Unz pigs will come right out and admit, point blank, that they think that individualism is good for the goose but not the gander. Most of the time, they just imply as much by railing against “feminism” while going on about how men should just go their own way” rather than living with a woman on terms of equality and friendship rather than domination.

    • Replies: @azureamaranthine
  103. Maddaugh says:
    @RedpilledAF

    To meet a white female in America that is not angry, belligerent, selfish, and delusional is becoming very rare. Even the ones that claim to be against feminism are inculcated with feminism.

    Aint that the truth ! Men who are successful and hence wanted to date a successful woman soon found that while she may be brilliant in her industry she was a complete dodo in everything else. The conversation quickly turned to her “awesome” business acumen and the price of material, labour and overhead to which the man was supposed to show his interest in her by listening to this bullshit all night. That is because the brainwashing duped them into being assertive, take charge and being their own woman, whatever all that hocus pocus is supposed to mean. They want to show the men they are just as good, why I have not a clue.

    As for the ones who are not so successful, they aspire to the Queen B status and position and monkey see monkey do. They believe that since Ms Successful is at the top of the stack, then if they behaved the same way, they would also climb the golden ladder to corporate and money stardom.

    What a lot of them dont see is the loneliness these women endure as no man wants to be with them, either on a date or a serious thing. By the time they realize their behaviour and demeanor is offensive, that the brass ring is not all there is, that they want a man, children and a family, it is too late. They are left alone to hug their bank books and badmouth men.

    I worked with three such characters. The one jumped from company division to another accross the country because where ever she was “all the good men were taken”. The next worked 16 hour days because there was nothing else to do after 5 pm. The third committed suicide at the ripe age of 37 because life was not worth living with material possessions most women could only dream of. The last one was black and hung with three others of her kind. Unfortunately, they smartened up and as soon as they found a steady man disappeared from the clique LOL

    There has been a proliferation of women’s groups comprised of the successful, to bond and cry on each others shoulders. They just cannot understand why no man wants them in spite of all they have and their supposed intelligence.

    In the meantime, the foreign women are moving in. I see more and more Asian and Hispanic women with white men. On New Years Eve, catching up on some shopping I watched a white woman lay into her husband in the store and a Hispanic woman with her arm hooked into her man;s and hanging on his every word. In the first case the fight probably continued in the car, exploded at home and he ended up sleeping in the garage. In the second Dolores was giving her man a handjob in the SUV, monster head at home and they fell asleep naked together.

    That’s the way it is you see. A man coming home from a day of bullshit at the office does not want feminism but feminine. The white female ( and the black one) does not understand that and wonders why she is the wallflower no one wants.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @RedpilledAF
  104. W says:
    @Macumazahn

    Ah Rosie, where were you when I was a young man seeking a wife?

    Have you read her post in this thread?

    Ask any misogynist who won’t join a club that will have him as a member what it is that women want, and he will tell you that women want what he doesn’t have. The ugly man says we only care about looks; the poor man says we only care about money; the clumsy man says we only care about athletic prowess, etc. etc. etc.

    They agree on nothing but their hatred of women

    You would end up eating a bullet like her last husband.

  105. Rosie says:
    @Maddaugh

    That’s the way it is you see. A man coming home from a day of bullshit at the office does not want feminism but feminine. The white female ( and the black one) does not understand that and wonders why she is the wallflower no one wants.

    The very same arguments race traitor White men use for replacing White workers with foreign ones – they’re more pliant.

    Your reward will be extinction. You will be rid of uppity White women, at least.

    • LOL: Maddaugh
  106. Ivan says:
    @Alfred

    Delphi lives on as Project Lazaruz. Delphi the Windows based successor to Turbo Pascal was far superior to anything Microsoft had at that time. Then while Microsoft ensured that their clunky Visual C++ survived by poaching the Delphi/Borland C++ programmers, the competition lost out. This was when all kinds of claims was made for C++. But along came Java and everyone was relieved that they didn’t have to keep up appearances that C++ was anything more than a pathology. Java then underpinned all the cloud and internet stuff today.

  107. Ivan says:
    @Alfred

    It has to be said that considering the impact it had on software development, Visual Basic and it’s sister VBA were pretty good development environments . They put bread on the table. I have learned in the years since that one of the most useless activities that one can engage, similar in effects to masturbation, a time killer and destructive of constructive effort is arguing about which is the greater computer language.

    The above should read Project Lazarus.

    • Agree: Alfred
  108. Rosie says:
    @white ho

    I shouldn’t, and their presence is dangerous, but it is always a happy occasion when some dizzy white b**** gets assaulted or worse by some simian she previously insisted was a better man than her “racist” father or spouse (the men who, incidentally, often pay for these b*****s’ education and resolve their debts). They deserve excruciating suffering. Here’s hoping they get it.

    Attn: Marcion of Comment #73

    Does this answer your question?

    One might sort of understand this venom if there was any truth whatsoever to his bullshit about White women insisting “men of color” are superior. This is, of course, complete and total nonsense. White women overwhelmingly choose men of their own race as marriage partners.

    Worse for him is that the very women who he believes hate White men so much, college-educated “feminists,” are the most likely to get and stay married, and this despite the propaganda against White men. Now please tell me more about how we’re “shabbos goy.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08/19/the-most-educated-women-are-the-most-likely-to-be-married/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/

  109. Right_On says:

    For a less solemn take on the “enchantress of numbers” . . .

    In the steampunk novel The Difference Engine (1990), by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling, Ada gives a lecture on punched-cards programs, anticipating Gödel’s incompleteness theorems.

    The Thrilling Adventures of Lovelace and Babbage is an award-winning fantasy; a graphic novel using dialogue from the actual correspondence between the two pioneers.

  110. @Maddaugh

    So much truth in your post! I see exactly what you have written all the time.

  111. @Bardon Kaldian

    That’s an incredibly lame excuse for the lies, which has the ironic virtue of pointing out the single thing women are actually indispensable for.

  112. @Rosie

    While I agree that individualism is a major problem in our society, men neither can nor should live with women in terms of equality. They are not equal. One has strengths where the other has only weaknesses, and the same is true in the other direction. They compliment each other, but are not equal in any way at all, and are better in that they are not.

    There will always be one of them dominant, out of sheer pragmatism, someone has to have the final say on a given subject. Ideally they each have domination over the areas that best suit their inequalities.

    However, if this cannot be achieved because of bad behavior by either party, men will be generally dominant. You can’t have beautiful women without strong men first, and if you try, you lose them to whoever does have strong men. It’s that simple.

    Societies of sufficient size and intemperance to offset this are also observably societies in the process of being replaced at the genetic level for their failure. Strong men are prerequisite beautiful women.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  113. @Rosie

    Off the sheer mathematics, college-educated women in general are functionally closer to infertile than fertile. College educated white feminists even moreso by several degrees. Marriage loses any functional virtue when it does not result in propagation.

    Yes, I do not believe most women should go to college. It’s a trap to shoehorn them into jobs so that wages can be depressed and taxes doubled.

    Worse, it’s a trap with a positive feedback loop, the more women participate, the harder it is for other women to avoid participation whether they want to or not, because every woman participating is depressing the pay of the husband of the woman who doesn’t want to.

    Let me be perfectly clear: I don’t believe that most men should go to college either. It’s wasted on most, which is also part of the reason most colleges have become such maliciously worthless propaganda-mills cum credential-factories. However, while it’s detrimental for most men, it’s detrimental for even more women.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Rosie
  114. Rosie says:
    @azureamaranthine

    While I agree that individualism is a major problem in our society, men neither can nor should live with women in terms of equality. They are not equal. One has strengths where the other has only weaknesses, and the same is true in the other direction. They compliment each other, but are not equal in any way at all, and are better in that they are not.

    Let me guess. This is the lip service you pay to complementarianism before you start going on about how women should be subservient because reasons.

    There will always be one of them dominant, out of sheer pragmatism, someone has to have the final say on a given subject. Ideally they each have domination over the areas that best suit their inequalities.

    However, if this cannot be achieved because of bad behavior by either party, men will be generally dominant. You can’t have beautiful women without strong men first, and if you try, you lose them to whoever does have strong men. It’s that simple.

    More armchair bullshit. No matter how much you attempt to make it so, different does not mean unequal. This is perhaps the biggest of big manosphere lies: that women who insist we are equal insist we are the same.

    Nor have you articulated any mechanism by which this must be so. Why is the subjugation of women a prerequisite to national survival? Is the subjugation of women going to stop traitors from importing cheap scab labor, starting fratricidal wars wherein White men kill each other by the tens of millions, or, my favorite, outsourcing military production to our chief geopolitical rival!?! (How is that kind of stupidity even possible?) Please explain to me how this is supposed to work.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-china/u-s-military-comes-to-grips-with-over-reliance-on-chinese-imports-idUSKCN1MC275

    Indeed, most of our differences would suggest that, at least in downscale families, women should be dominant in the home rather than men, to wit:

    Men are more violent.
    Men are more likely to be criminals.
    Men are more likely to be alcoholics/drug addicts.
    Men are more likely to be compulsive gamblers.

    Need I go on? If you think I’m being flip, we’re talking about people’s lives here. You go live under the thumb of some vicious drunk who slaps you around for complaining when he gambles away the rent money or blows his whole paycheck on a meth binge. Come back and tell me about how wonderful and beautiful male dominance is.

    https://kareningalasmith.com/2016/09/01/intimate-partner-and-domestic-violence-homicides-sex-differences-april-2012-march-2015-3-years/

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  115. SOL says:
    @wretechedraaches

    ” Ada on the the other hand had the idea that Babbage’s machine could be programmed to create music and art. ”

    Did she write in her secret diary that the machine could be programmed to run a variable-speed sex toy?

  116. @RedpilledAF

    British culture isn’t uniquely evil, but it certainly isn’t uniquely virtuous.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  117. @white ho

    A missive from the Land of the Incel. Nobody does it bitter.

  118. @Rosie

    These Incels are a sad lot, poor devils. They just need a little love, but they’re too frightened to accept it when offered.

  119. @Rosie

    Mad Dog can’t help himself. The hydrophobia destroyed his mind long ago and now all he wants to do is bite something and snarl, snarl, snarl,

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  120. @Carroll price

    You forget the late great Col. Muammar al-Ghaddafi 😉

  121. @Rosie

    “the childless bring down the average”

    Absolutely. It’s very distressing, but we need to restore the social attitudes of 1900 working class Salford (from “A Ragged Schooling” by Robert Roberts).

    “The childless married couple we youngsters recognised as ‘strange’. Lack of family, with higher economic standing (the wife usually went out to work) separated them from the social mainstream. A certain mystery hung about their houses, so often locked and silent. When a pair went out together, to the envy of local housewives, we looked up for a moment from our games and wondered a little. Why no children? Didn’t they want a baby? Or they couldn’t have one, perhaps – or didn’t know how! Did they pass by a little shamefaced? There was something peculiar about them, for sure!”

    “How are you going to convince men to reject birth control and the higher material standard of living that entails?”

    A good question. I know friends where the woman would have liked more babies and the man said no. I also know very well paid couples who could easily afford more and stop at two. A great pity – apart from anything else, from a purely selfish perspective, putting all your eggs in one or two baskets is a dangerous strategy even with modern medicine – illness or accidents can intervene.

    Personally I love taking lots to Normandy in summer or Scotland in winter more than I would have loved taking two to Dubai or Chamonix.

  122. I saw a children’s book on programming, aimed at kids of about 8. One section gave three examples of programmers: Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, and a young man who had worked on Minecraft.

    The book was clearly trying to encourage girls to become programmers, but the clear (and false) implication was that the majority of programmers are women, who did the heavy lifting while the men showed up at the last minute to work on fun but trivial things like games.

    If I had written the book and had to pick just three examples of programmers, I would have chosen Grace Hopper, Bill Gates, and Tim Berners-Lee.

    Ada Lovelace’s role appears to have been to pick Charles Babbage’s brains, personally organize and expand his ideas, and commit them to print. If she had been male, she would have earned a footnote in history. Because she was female, there is a cult dedicated to her. The existence of this cult tells us more about ourselves than it does about Ada Lovelace.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  123. Barryroe says:
    @Rosie

    Nice to see you back, Rosie, even if dealing with some of the commentators here must entail a degree of suffering for you (as it does for most fair-minded people).

    It would be nice if a few sisters could mobilise to join you on this site, to offset the nonsense – and, unfortunately, sometimes the nastiness – of the kinds of commentator who want to take you on.

    I’m not qualified, being a man, but I prefer a decent discussion between level-headed people to confrontation between one rational woman and a shouting mob.

    • Thanks: Rosie
    • LOL: Maddaugh
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  124. Anon[637] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Almost all criminals were raised by single moms.

    Almost all drug addicts/alcoholics were raised by or once married to single moms.

    The disparity between female and male gamblers is tiny, and in some countries women are more likely to be compulsive gamblers[1]. In any case, compulsive gambling is extremely rare, and it’s not a pressing social issue.

    Conclusion: Rosie is a hosie.

    – – – – – – –

    [1] https://nypost.com/2019/04/05/women-with-gambling-problems-in-this-country-outnumber-men/

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @Rosie
    , @Hibernian
  125. Thanks for the article. Tired of all the feminist version of we wuz kangz, and shit.

  126. @Marcus Devonshire

    You kinda invited aggravation with those two lines which are waaayyyy off with the general tone of your article as I took it.

    General tone is females being awarded with unearned credit.

    Then you wax exeptionalist like an off the shelf neocon.

    “British morality” is as close to an oxymoron as there ever was. If it was the Opium wars only then you could say that, but the only people/nations that the brits never fucked over are only the ones that never dealt with the British (some Amazon bush tribe perhaps).

    Ditto Americans. The country is remarkable in venture capitalism and WW2 navy and postwar space program …. I’ll just say that it managed to color revolution itself last year.

    I like the overall article as it brings much needed attention to revisionist history and won’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

    Looking forward to more of your articles.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  127. Maddaugh says:
    @Anon

    Rosie is all upset because there are not too many men who dig 300 pound Orcas. When women like her dont get their protein injection ration they get their stained knickers all knotted up and make themselves unwanted guests with equally unwanted comments.

    Rosie’s comments are neither useful nor tasteful. Who wants to see a reflection of her miserable life in her rants or listen to her complaints and gripes about men.

    We need to get a man for her. Perhaps Gnat X or Troofie. Blacks like their hoes BIIIIIIIIIGGG ! To get Rosie to go away we need to hook her up with a man. Big girls need love too !!

  128. Maddaugh says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Mad Dog can’t help himself. The hydrophobia destroyed his mind long ago and now all he wants to do is bite something and snarl, snarl, snarl,

    Woof Woof Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Bow Wow !! LOL

  129. Maddaugh says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie Posie Hosie, for your age, height and weight you should be 120 pounds. What are you doing at 300 pounds with all that loose flesh hanging down to your knees and ankles.

    Suggestion: Grab your fat from the waist, pull it all up over your head, tie it with a plastic tie and put on a custom made Sombrero. LOL.

    You will end up with a moustache and your mouth will be somewhere behind your head but at least you will save on Jenny Craig or plastic surgery.

    You need a man to love you but few dudes want a mountain of love. We men prefer to be ruined by a slim young foreign thing than saved by an oversized continually griping albino buffalo like you.

    I guess that makes us traitors and deserving of extinction !!?? We look forward to our day of reckoning. LMAO

  130. Blodgie says:

    I still see Normies here making the distinction between women who are feminists and those who are not.

    All women are now feminists, whether they know or acknowledge it.

  131. Che Guava says:
    @Hibernian

    Not much. The whole fake 2000 problem was a form of theft, by the usual types.

    Financial programs and database operations already had no such problem. Likewise, just about all.

    Extremely greedy people set up the scare and an army to go along with the lie, such as the bullshit artist on this thread who mendaciously claims that his work, at the time had value.

    Just another vampire squid operation, in this case just over 20 years ago.

  132. @Francis Miville

    Most components of Babbage’s analytical engine were analogue, not digital

    100% digital.

    If you want to know how an analog computer works, this pedagogical video explains how a WWII gun director works.

  133. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Almost all criminals were raised by single moms.

    I assure you, they wouldn’t have done any better if their useless fathers were in the house, and probably they would’ve done worse. Or do you subscribe to Magic Dick Theory, by which having a hominid male in the house, however dysfunctional and worthless, does children some great service?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @James N. Kennett
  134. @Rosie

    “Men are more violent.
    Men are more likely to be criminals.
    Men are more likely to be alcoholics/drug addicts.
    Men are more likely to be compulsive gamblers.”

    Rosie, we know all this. Men are also more likely to be inventors, composers, explorers, billionaires, public benefactors (or public malefactors like Soros).

    How many more times do I have to link this?

    http://www.denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

    During the controversy about his (Lawrence Summers) remarks, I didn’t see anybody raise this question, but the data are there, indeed abundant, and they are indisputable. There are more males than females with really low IQs. Indeed, the pattern with mental retardation is the same as with genius, namely that as you go from mild to medium to extreme, the preponderance of males gets bigger.

    All those retarded boys are not the handiwork of patriarchy. Men are not conspiring together to make each other’s sons mentally retarded.

    Almost certainly, it is something biological and genetic. And my guess is that the greater proportion of men at both extremes of the IQ distribution is part of the same pattern. Nature rolls the dice with men more than women. Men go to extremes more than women. It’s true not just with IQ but also with other things, even height: The male distribution of height is flatter, with more really tall and really short men.

    Again, there is a reason for this, to which I shall return.

    For now, the point is that it explains how we can have opposite stereotypes. Men go to extremes more than women. Stereotypes are sustained by confirmation bias. Want to think men are better than women? Then look at the top, the heroes, the inventors, the philanthropists, and so on. Want to think women are better than men? Then look at the bottom, the criminals, the junkies, the losers.

    In an important sense, men really are better AND worse than women.

    A pattern of more men at both extremes can create all sorts of misleading conclusions and other statistical mischief. To illustrate, let’s assume that men and women are on average exactly equal in every relevant respect, but more men at both extremes. If you then measure things that are bounded at one end, it screws up the data to make men and women seem significantly different.

    Consider grade point average in college. Thanks to grade inflation, most students now get A’s and B’s, but a few range all the way down to F. With that kind of low ceiling, the high-achieving males cannot pull up the male average, but the loser males will pull it down. The result will be that women will get higher average grades than men — again despite no difference in average quality of work.

    The opposite result comes with salaries. There is a minimum wage but no maximum. Hence the high-achieving men can pull the male average up while the low-achieving ones can’t pull it down. The result? Men will get higher average salaries than women, even if there is no average difference on any relevant input.

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF, W
    • Replies: @Rosie
  135. Rosie says:
    @azureamaranthine

    As many as can benefit intellectually from college should go. How many that may be, I don’t know, certainly fewer than are going now. As I understand it, community college is still very affordable, and worth it even if it isn’t job-related. The cost of college, and the radicalism and ideological one-sidedness of the faculty is the problem, not college itself.

    As for this…

    Off the sheer mathematics, college-educated women in general are functionally closer to infertile than fertile. College educated white feminists even moreso by several degrees. Marriage loses any functional virtue when it does not result in propagation.

    First of all, my point about college-educated women being more likely to marry wasn’t that a college education is desirable on that account, nor even that the college education causes the marital stability. (I think it does, but only in part.) My point was simply to refute the idea that uberfeminist White women have, en masse, turned against White men. That is a media fiction, and you should know better than to fall for it.

    Now, as to college-educated women, especially White women, being “functionally closer to infertile than fertile,” that is simply not supported by the data. High school dropouts are the most fertile, probably because they don’t use birth control properly. Beyond that, education has very little if any negative impact on women’s fertility. Nor does education disproportionately affect White fertility. Indeed, very highly educated White women have significantly more children than their non-White peers, and more children than their White peers with two-year degrees!

    Now, do you suppose that, if these women didn’t go to college, they would have more children? I don’t see any reason why this should be so. They are not limiting their fertility because of time constraints, as is clear from the fact that the most highly-educated women are having more children. They are limiting their fertility for some other reason.

    Worse, it’s a trap with a positive feedback loop, the more women participate, the harder it is for other women to avoid participation whether they want to or not, because every woman participating is depressing the pay of the husband of the woman who doesn’t want to.

    Yes, this is a serious issue, but there are more fair ways to deal with it than shaming women for getting a college education. To wit: getting rid of restrictive covenants that prevent the construction of affordable housing. A family of four does not need a 3,000 square foot ugly behemoth McMansion. Also, steep progressive taxation would considerably reduce the marginal benefit of the lower salary for dual-income couples, and if nothing else, prevent them from hiding up the price of housing. And of course, shutting down immigrwould be absolutely necessary before trying to draw women out of the workplace. Otherwise, they would just be replaced by foreigners with no pay raise for men. TPTB would see to it. Surely you know that?

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: W
  136. Anon[637] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The rate of crime in America was drasticlly lower prior to the feminist wave of the late 60s/early 70s. Particularly in the black community which was hit hardest by matrifocalism.

    Results don’t lie. Female toxicity breeds criminals.

  137. Rosie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Rosie, we know all this. Men are also more likely to be inventors, composers, explorers, billionaires, public benefactors (or public malefactors like Soros).

    How many more times do I have to link this?

    YAA, I take no joy in pointing out the shortcomings of other people. That’s a you thing. If I do mention it, I have a reason. Here, the point is that, if we so desired, women could concoct plausible reasons why it is women rather than men who should wear the pants in the family. That there are many more male composers and inventors is totally irrelevant to that question, nor will it be any comfort to downscale White women living with drunken brutes.

  138. @G. Poulin

    Teee heeeee heeee

    Good freshman humor

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
  139. Rosie says:

    I still see Normies here making the distinction between women who are feminists and those who are not.

    All women are now feminists, whether they know or acknowledge it.

    Given that the dissident right considers any woman who doesn’t grovel in the face of constant demonization and scapegoating a raging feminist, yes, by that definition, we are all feminist.

  140. @El Dato

    “Compare with floating point numbers, which are strings of symbols, i.e. digital.”

    That format was used to represent currency, with a set number of decimal places, for example US dollars and cents, DDDDDDDDDCC, to avoid the imprecision of binary floating point numbers represented by a mantissa and an exponent.

    Leading to a trope in financial comedies where by a programmer gets rich off capturing the fractions of pennies truncated in millions of transactions, depositing the funds into their own account. Violating a number of audit controls along the way.

  141. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    Almost all drug addicts/alcoholics were raised by or once married to single moms.

    Don’t know about drug addicts, but traditional families produce plenty of alcoholics, not all or even almost all of whom marry single mothers. Unless you’re referring only to those who are both, rather than those who are one or the other or both.

    • Replies: @Anon
  142. @obwandiyag

    Uh-oh, you caught me. I never met an outstanding woman in IT, not even one.
    Happy now?

  143. Rosie says:

    The rate of crime in America was drasticlly lower prior to the feminist wave of the late 60s/early 70s. Particularly in the black community which was hit hardest by matrifocalism.

    Results don’t lie. Female toxicity breeds criminals.

    Female toxicity lol.

    Anyway…

  144. @Rosie

    Almost all criminals were raised by single moms.

    I assure you, they wouldn’t have done any better if their useless fathers were in the house, and probably they would’ve done worse. Or do you subscribe to Magic Dick Theory, by which having a hominid male in the house, however dysfunctional and worthless, does children some great service?

    Clearly these young women are not following the sound advice that you gave in #106:

    I don’t advise other young women to follow in my footsteps unless they have a man with a titanic-sized heart of solid titanium like I do.

    Instead, they are choosing to procreate with men that both you and I consider to be useless, dysfunctional and worthless. It should be obvious that the problems cannot be attributed entirely to men or to women, and it is fairly pointless, even when subjected to extreme provocation, to angrily blame one half of the human race for problems that are the responsibility of both halves.

    Our species evolved to live as hunter-gatherers in conditions of scarcity. In these circumstances, the only way to leave offspring was for men and women to cooperate. We all want liberty and plenty, but when we have these, we find that the imperative for that cooperation is lost, and society itself slowly collapses. There is no obvious solution to this problem.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  145. @Rosie

    “the point is that, if we so desired, women could concoct plausible reasons why it is women rather than men who should wear the pants in the family”

    You missed the “superficially” before plausible.

    From my Roy Beaumeister quote:

    “Want to think women are better than men? Then look at the bottom, the criminals, the junkies, the losers.”

    I don’t think women are better or worse than men taken in toto, in that both are needed for survival.

    But we are very different, and our strengths and weaknesses are very different, both due to our very different reproductive roles and due to our very different evolutionary histories. There’s a reason why Icelandic Y-DNA is pretty much 100% Scandinavian but Icelandic mitochondrial DNA is 50%+ Irish and Scottish, or Spanish Y-DNA is not from the same people as Spanish mitochondrial DNA.

    https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2018/10/03/inenglish/1538568010_930565.html

    More than 5,000 years ago a nomadic group of shepherds rode out of the steppes of eastern Europe to conquer the rest of the continent. The group, today known as the Yamna or Pit Grave culture, brought with them an innovative new technology, wheeled carts, which enabled them to quickly occupy new lands. More than 4,500 years ago, the descendants of these people reached the Iberian peninsula and wiped out the local men, according to new research by a team of international scientists.

    “The collision of these two populations was not friendly…” explains David Reich…

    • Replies: @Rosie
  146. Anon[637] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    Statistics disagree with you.
    Alcoholics: almost all related to divorce/single motherhood
    Almost nobody lives in a “traditional family” anymore.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  147. Rosie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I don’t think women are better or worse than men taken in toto, in that both are needed for survival.

    That’s nice, but you still say men should lord it over women because reasons.

    Are you rehashing the old non sequitur that women should be subservient because men have a bad habit of slaughtering one another en masse? If so, I remain unconvinced.

    Your last for foreign conquests is in no small part responsible for our current demographic and geopolitical weakness, the inevitable result of Imperial overreach.

  148. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    Statistics disagree with you.
    Alcoholics: almost all related to divorce/single motherhood
    Almost nobody lives in a “traditional family” anymore.

    More hogwash. I demonstrated in a recent thread that about 80% of White children grow up with two parents, the overwhelming majority of these parents being married to each other.

    As for your claim about single motherhood or divorce causing alcoholism, that is fucking absurd. Men have been getting drunk and beating up women and children since forever.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/03/women-alcohol-drink-culture-prohibition-temperance

    • Replies: @Anon
  149. Rosie says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Clearly these young women are not following the sound advice that you gave in #106:

    This claim fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the problem. When downscale young women and men pair off, they’re not thinking long term. What often happens in these downscale communities is that boy and girl get along fine in their late teens and early twenties, because they are childless and having fun. Then, they have a baby. She grows up and decides maybe it’s not a good idea to spend several hundred dollars a month on weed and get baked all the time. He… doesn’t. Five years later, he’s still sitting on the couch stoned, and she’s done.

    It should be obvious that the problems cannot be attributed entirely to men or to women, and it is fairly pointless, even when subjected to extreme provocation, to angrily blame one half of the human race for problems that are the responsibility of both halves.

    I agree, but literally noone ever says this unless and until they decide to come after me for resisting misogynists who blame women every time some man in the known universe stubs his toe. WTF is that?

  150. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Ray Caruso

    British culture is non-unique in that it is both uniquely evil and uniquely virtuous.

    Perfidious Albion is hardly just a meme, but everyone else was trying to conquer the world too. Only the British managed it, and they managed it twice, in case you thought the first time was a fluke. To first order approximation, science is an Isles thing. To second order approximation, English is a variety of German. If you’re a scientist and you’re not Germanic, you’re trying to push water uphill. (E.g. all of Stalin’s scientists were German.) It’s not actually impossible, but something like 90% of Japanese papers are fraud or theatre at the best of times. The wuflu escaped Wuhan because they thought they could cheat Nature while she wasn’t looking. You essentially can’t do level 4 biosafety in China, and maybe one day they’ll learn not to try.

    Turns out conquering the world is the worst diet you can put your culture on, though…

  151. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    What the fuck are you babbling about?

    I said literally nothing about the white single motherhood rate. I sincerely hope you do not believe that the modern nuclear family is “traditional”. A married working couple with 2 cars and 2 kids is not traditional.

    There are no statistics in your tabloid link about alcoholism in the past nor are there any reliable statistics available to determine that. The 1800s isn’t “forever ago” either, it was practically yesterday and was not traditional.

    I noticed the truly traditional Muslim world does not (and has never) had a serious problem with alcohol.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  152. @James N. Kennett

    There was a time, until the invention of the PC and evey a little after that when most programmers were women. They were valued because they made fewer mistakes.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  153. @Gorgeous George

    Kazakhstan was never invaded by Britain. Although we now discover that exceptional generosity was shown by Nazerbayev to both Tony Blair and Prince Andrew (in this case by Nazerbayev’s son in law).

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
  154. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    I said literally nothing about the white single motherhood rate.

    Good. So long as that’s clear.

    I sincerely hope you do not believe that the modern nuclear family is “traditional”. A married working couple with 2 cars and 2 kids is not traditional.

    Oh dear. What do you have in mind for our future then? Tell us what you think is “traditional.”

    I noticed the truly traditional Muslim world does not (and has never) had a serious problem with alcohol.

    Of course, they also have an absolute religious prohibition on alcohol. We don’t, and even if we did, it wouldn’t matter. Western men have waged war on religious belief for almost 200 years now, with entirely predictable results.

    Speaking of the Muslim world…

    https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/33

    • Replies: @Anon
  155. Rosie is a Jewess. Her husband is a eunuch goy that she berates and humiliates and abuses. That explains everything.

    • Agree: W
    • LOL: Rosie
  156. R.C. says:
    @obwandiyag

    Same here. My Mum was the highest ranking lady engineer (math and computer science engineering, two majors, valedictorian in both) on the Shuttle program at KSC and soon was in charge of the loading and unloading of the E.T. She never saw a shuttle launch (always was in the launch room and the first lady’s voice ever I ever heard on a launch countdown. She’s now retired.
    R.C.

  157. @Rosie

    Here, the point is that, if we so desired, women could concoct plausible reasons why it is women rather than men who should wear the pants in the family

    This is happening right now lol

    Seriously calm the down, woman. You claim yourself you have a good, stern man for a husband and you are here engaging in verbal wrestling with men most likely to be bitter/lonely or not anywhere near your financial level due to political/economical circumstances.

    This is why you will never wear the pants. Western men have been major fuckups for centuries? True. But it was a slow decline. Frontholes dominance? Instant disasters. Proof: outside the windows, in your neighborhood.

    Reeee frontholes

    Coined by liberal bioholes and wombpeople, not men 🤷‍♂️

    • Replies: @Rosie
  158. Anon[836] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Many of the religious dictates of European Christianity have survived its waning, such as strict incest avoidance and monogamy. Problem is, only some religious sects of Christianity have ever discouraged alcohol use, and those that have were mostly Protestant; yet it’s Protestants who have the drinking problem. It’s pretty clear that overcoming alcoholism is a uniquely European imperative, and that Christianity was inadequate to get the job done. This is one fundamentally European problem that Christianity failed to solve, and may have contributed to the religion’s demise among white people.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  159. You know they will publicly refuse to have sex with you ever again, don’t you?

  160. @James N. Kennett

    If I had written the book and had to pick just three examples of programmers, I would have chosen Grace Hopper, Bill Gates, and Tim Berners-Lee.

    Your list is just as bad. The first two are not good examples of programmers and the claims that Hopper created the first compiler are overblown and is made by people who do not understand compilers and the A compiler was, in reality, a linker.

  161. @Anon

    >be degenerate drunken Bipeds
    >blame God and his institution, despite they being against mind altering substances in the first place

    Maybe it is Europe that doesn’t deserve God, which is why degeneracy and Vax-Regimes are going out of control.

    Be humble, you cunts.

    • Replies: @Anon
  162. Rosie says:
    @HeebHunter

    You claim yourself you have a good, stern man

    Stern? Where did I say anything about “stern”?

    Frontholes dominance? Instant disasters. Proof: outside the windows, in your neighborhood.

    First of all, it’s really shitty to call people “frontholes.”

    Second of all, there is no “fronthole dominance.” Men still run everything, even the schools.

    https://aasa.org/schooladministratorarticle.aspx?id=14492

    Proof: outside the windows, in your neighborhood.

    Please elaborate. If you’re talking about demographic change, I would remind you that only 13 of the 535 members of the 89th Congress that passed the Hart-Celler Immigration Act were women.

  163. SIMP simp says:
    @Eudion2

    She didn’t turn her back on anything. Her article is the type of things an intelligent socialite was expected to do.

    • Thanks: simple mind
  164. Anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @HeebHunter

    Christianity is vaugely opposed to “drunkenness” but does not forbid drinking. A few vague references to drunkenness in a huge book, and the reader is left to decide for themselves what “drunkeness” means. It also isn’t in the Ten Commandments. Wow, what a brilliant religion.

    Your pipsqueak “God” needs to speak up and say something concise, for once. Even so, Protestants have banned alcohol and that failed, too. It’s looking pretty clear that we’re going to need a death penalty for alcohol/drug sale and consumption, because this is clearly a genetic problem (both alcohol and greed).

    • Troll: simple mind
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  165. Che Guava says:
    @obwandiyag

    You have an oblique point. The most genuinely talented woman whom I met in my course, apart from a clerk who later graduated in science, from ability, was a tutor in the high-voltage lab, the prof. in that area was a bad teacher, I was doing very well at all of the other parts and electives, so bare passes in that field were tolerable.

    In hindsight, I start with Tesla, and then see that my tutor back then was not on the same level as Tesla, who is?, but she was brilliant, and with similar perceptions of HV and electric motors.

    I have caught up on the way things work in HV and electric motors since, but regret not having tuition on it at the time, instead I just mainly gave up on that field because the Prof. of the field was a very bad teacher.

  166. @Alfred

    It’s very much “like” saying that women and men are complementary. I can put together the house, but only a woman can make it home. Even being “offended” at feminism is already weak and unmanly, the fact is we are all duds these days, real men from the past would have just laughed and leaned in for a kiss, or ignored the attention seeking antics as only to be expected from the fairer sex. Men who think it’s normal to argue with women are called “children”. Stop arguing with mommy and get a job

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  167. @Francis Miville

    “formalized by Türing later on in Britain”

    Why the umlaut on ‘Turing’, Hans? It’s not a German surname, Fritz. Try to avoid the same mistake in future, Dieter.

    • LOL: Nicholas Stix
  168. @Philip Owen

    There was a time, until the invention of the PC and evey a little after that when most programmers were women. They were valued because they made fewer mistakes.

    This is true, and a history of programming would include this era, using Stephanie Shirley and the NASA “Hidden Figures” as exemplars. A children’s book that names only three programmers cannot be this comprehensive.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  169. @Anon

    Yeah, if you had actually read the Bible, you would have known God doesn’t actually forbid YOU from sinning by instantly striking you down. Only the Elects who heard his voice directly had to obey his command, which they have personally heard through obvious divination, hence the responsibility.

    To whom much is given…

    But the majority of mankind gets to excercise their freedom of will, agency and self determination. Which was the whole point of creation of mankind.

    But lets say this, only adults actually enjoy getting shitfaced. It is their choice. The same when they fornicate and permanently damage their bonding ability or when they take the kike-juice and maim themselves.

    So you are also technically correct, most people are stupid goyim peasants and actually proud of it. So they can enjoy the wage of their sins. Both the kikes and western goyim have rejected God blessings, voluntarily. They can get shafted.

  170. Nancy says:

    Did modern Feminism start with (the fraudent) Betty Friedan? A book written in 1913…
    “…punches a huge hole in yet another feminist myth which has repeatedly told us that women were regarded as having no value or power in society until about… yesterday. This patent lie has been drummed into the hearts and minds of boys and girls from an early age which helps to explain the current world in which we exist…” and our current world.

    ‘The Fraud of Feminism’ by E. Belmont Bax. … it exposes the history of modern feminism, at last back to the mid 1800’s, in clear detail regarding legal, popular, social life. It is deja vu to see the same language and tactics and results written over 100 yrs ago.

    Read it here…
    https://archive.org/details/fraudoffeminism00baxerich/page/n7/mode/2up

  171. @Macumazahn

    I’m still a software engineer, a decade behind you. I started to see more women enter the field in the late 90s/early 00s when the web was blowing up. Almost all of these women ended up marrying and leaving altogether, or else gravitating to “soft” software development roles: i.e. QA, process, documentation, program management. Often there was the excuse, that they found programming “boring” or they wanted to be more “social”. Yes, logical and analytical thinking is quite boring to women because they suck at it!

    They didn’t have the drive or the focus to handle complex software development. But in the case of women as managers, I don’t think they are that much of a liability compared to the male managers, who themselves often washed out of a prior technical career track. Usually the women focus on communication, and lacking the male ego, are less likely to insert themselves into the technical work and cause issues.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
  172. @Philip Owen

    Well technically KZ land was part of the Russian Empire, which was invaded by Britain in the Crimean war. Still KZ multivectoring in the UK direction is impressive 😉

  173. @James N. Kennett

    This is true, and a history of programming would include this era, using Stephanie Shirley and the NASA “Hidden Figures” as exemplars.

    This, is, in fact, bullshit.

    I can believe that women make less mistakes, but at the risk of never trying something different, and computers have changed and, because of the differences in IQ variance, fewer women are able to deal with the complexity of modern programming.

    You can bemoan that as unfair if you want, but I don’t GAF!

  174. @Semi-Employed White Guy

    Completely agree with your first paragraph. Agree with the second, too, so long as those female managers aren’t engaged in the practice of promoting incompetent (or even mediocre) females into senior technical positions. Thanks for your thoughtful response and good luck in the remainder of your career!

  175. Icy Blast says:
    @El Dato

    Obwandiyag is a special case alright: a special kind of idiot.

    I used to think he was a teenager from Nigeria who had just discovered Marxism and found in it the answer to every question, perennial and otherwise. Now I’m not so sure.

    Maybe he’s just a victim of American television and cruel parents who incessantly told him he was exceptionally smart.

  176. “Remembered as a woman who indiscriminately saved soldiers from both sides of the German-Austrian conflict in the First World War, [Edith] Cavell was actually doing far more than just the gruelling challenge of saving lives.”

    What “German-Austrian conflict”? The Germans and Austrians were allies, for cryin’ out loud! Or have feminists also re-written the Great War?!

    • Replies: @David In TN
  177. Johan says:

    Nice article, it is unfortunate though that the author is a typical mobocratic slanderer concerning Lord Byron. He writes about ‘society as the result of a dominant collective ‘, meanwhile conveying the views of the most smelly part of it.

  178. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous

    sometimes, when I say shut the fuck up, it means, shut the fuck up – Steve and I are friends, idiots.

    I forgive but I never Forget – Steve is the same way. Right now, we are in the midst of a very bad time. So, I would advise people to not travel to large functions.

  179. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:

    MARCUS DEVONSHIRE is not even a person.
    The fake writer doesn’t know a shit about programming.

    This unz is promoting BS dummy, ahistorical, and untechnical.

  180. @Nicholas Stix

    Another example of the intelligence level of many Unz Review commenters.

  181. Alrenous says: • Website

    Don’t forget that here in reality the antikythera mechanisms exist.
    Gonna say a thought experiment is trumped by a real machine. Were any of the antikythera’s engineers or craftsmen in fact craftswomen? The idea is laughable.
    Regardless, this obsession with being “first” is distinctly childish. Antikythera gets all the awards for first – or rather, almost certainly doesn’t, as the real first is not known. Except we don’t build them anymore, so it doesn’t matter in the slightest. Whether Newton or Leibniz discovered calculus matters not at all to my own personal ability to take a derivative. Indeed the fact there were two discoverers shows even if neither had done it, I would still be able to take a derivative.

  182. JR says:

    Given its rather abject failure the ADA programming language should renamed HRC.

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