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No recent event is more concerning for this lover of liberty than that concerning the Confederate flag.

Some food for thought:

First, the logic of those who demand that the Confederate flag be erased from public life inexorably leads them to demand the same of the American flag (as well as, for that matter, all traditional American symbols).

The Stars and Stripes flew over the institution of slavery for 88 years—84 years longer than did the Confederate flag. It was under the banner of the American flag that American Indian tribes were decimated and their lands confiscated; Japanese-Americans were interned ; and Africans were transported across the Atlantic. It is the American flag that symbolizes for many in America and around the world oppression of all sorts—centuries of slavery, “racism,” genocide, and unrelenting imperialism.

It is only the political vulnerability of the Confederate flag that explains why it is in the crosshairs while the American flag remains safe—for now.

Second, in demonizing the flag, the haters demonize a whole section of the country, a section—the Southeast—that is as American, as the saying goes, as Apple pie, millions of Americans from across the generations whose contributions to the formation of the country are second to none.

Even when the South decided to secede from the Union, the spirit that animated its sons and daughters to do so is the same exact spirit that animated their ancestors to secede from England. It is the same exact spirit that animated these “Confederates” to make the enormous sacrifices for the Union that they did before they convicted the latter of undermining “the Spirit of ’76.”

For Southerners, the war was as much of a “civil war” as was the war between the American colonies and the Mother country. There was a second American War of Independence.

In treating the Confederate flag like a Swastika, in reducing it to a one-dimensional symbol of “hate,” the flag’s enemies—both Democrats and Republicans—are guilty of nothing less than the dehumanization of generations—of millions—of patriotic, God-fearing, salt-of-the-Earth Southern Americans.

This is ominous because, as noted, the South is integral to American history. In dehumanizing Southerners, in rewriting their history, we dehumanize the best of ourselves and rewrite our history.

Third, it is simply a lie that the Confederates were fighting for slavery. They were no more fighting for slavery than were the colonists—who preserved slavery long after the Mother country had (peacefully) abolished it—fighting for it.

For example, Robert E. Lee, a man who has become almost as much of a symbol of the Confederacy as the Confederate flag itself and, by all accounts, among the greatest of human beings, to say nothing of Americans, that ever lived, freed his slaves well before war erupted. In a letter to none other than Lord Acton, Lee states that “the continuance of a free government” depended upon the preservation of what is known as “states’ rights.” It is for the sake of the latter that he fought, for once states’ sovereignty went by the wayside, the central government would become “aggressive abroad and despotic at home.”

Lee favored the immediate abolition of slavery.

Moreover, of the more than five million whites who lived in the South at the outset of the war, a mere 6 percent owned slaves. And half of these owned no more than five slaves.

Finally, another little inconvenient fact that puts the lie to the idea that the war was all about slavery is that there were black Confederates.

Syndicated columnist and economist Walter E. Williams is a black Northerner who holds that there is indeed a right to secession. He also believes that the Southern states, like all states, had a Constitutional right to secede. Williams at one point had the Confederate flag hanging in his office at George Mason University.

Williams refers to a Virginia newspaper article from 1861 that lauds 70 blacks who volunteered “‘to act in any capacity that may be assigned to them’” in order to defend the homeland of Virginia. Frederick Douglas as well commented on this phenomenon. “‘There are at the present moment,” Douglas remarked, “‘many colored men in the Confederate Army…ready to…destroy the Federal government.’”

Williams as well cites Charles H. Wesley, a “distinguished black historian,” who wrote of the “sixteen companies (1,600) of free men of color” that “marched through Augusta, Georgia on their way to fight in Virginia.” Wesley remarked that black and white Confederates were marching together long before integration of this sort would be tolerated in the North.

To this day, there remain black “confederates.” Bob Harrison is one example. Harrison is “a first sergeant of Company B, Thirty-Seventh Texas Cavalry, C.S.A (a historical reenactment unit), a Southern Party staff writer, a descendant of two Virginia slave families, a history scholar, and a modern black Confederate,” as he describes himself in his foreword to Walter Kennedy’s, Myths of American Slavery. Harrison refers to “the Civil War” as the “War of Northern Aggression.”

Much more can be said on this topic. But that’s the problem: The flag haters, on their quest to fundamentally transform the country, insist on purging those voices that imperil their plans.

 
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  1. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It doesn’t matter what the history is.

    This flag is merely a totem that can be utilized by those who despise America – not only the south.

    As you mentioned, the stars and stripes will be targeted when the time is ripe. It’s coming, you can count on it…many very smart and resourceful people are working tirelessly on bringing that flag down too, along with everything it stands for.

    • Replies: @Carl Price
  2. In treating the Confederate flag like a Swastika, in reducing it to a one-dimensional symbol of “hate,”

    The Confederate flag can be used to dehumanizat[e] generations—of millions—of patriotic, God-fearing, salt-of-the-Earth Southern Americans.; precisely because the Swastika has been used to dehumaniz[e] generations—of millions—of patriotic, God-fearing, salt-of-the-Earth German and Japanese civilians.

    It was under the banner of the American flag that American Indian tribes were decimated and their lands confiscated; Japanese-Americans were interned ; and Africans were transported across the Atlantic and also that marked the US airplanes that firebombed Aachen, Dresden, Hamburg, Darmstadt, Duisburg, Dortmund, Halberstadt, Karlsruhe, Kassel, Munster, Osnabrück, Paderborn, Saarbrücken, Stuttgart …

    The same American flag marked the Enola Gay.

    The American flag flew — still flies — over what’s left of German Village in the Utah desert at Dugway, where US Air Force practicing creating firestorms to incinerate German workers and their housing, with the intent to kill not just German civilians but their infant children too, as the US Department of the Interior Historic Registry document records:

    In the bedroom, the single beds were placed together in pairs, with a crib ■adjacent, reflective of a young family with an infant. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    “One-dimensional symbol of hate”??

    The people of the USA never got that history right, never acknowledged to themselves that they committed crimes against humanity; persisted for all these long years in treating an adversary against whom the USA committed war crimes as “one-dimensional symbols of hate.”

    Does history regard Napoleon as a “one-dimensional symbol of hate?” Or Caesar, Attilla the Hun or Stalin himself? A review of R H S Stolfi’s Hitler: Beyond Evil & Tyranny“If Genghis Khan and Timur the Lame can be the subjects of objective historical assessments, then Barbarossa does not disqualify Hitler.”

    Why is it that the United States cannot write and teach its children the honest history of US involvement in the reduction-to-rubble of 75% of Germany that the United States and the British deliberately carried out against civilian structures and citizens?

    Are we afraid of the truth?

    Are we so afraid that we will permit the gradual displacement of the Stars and Stipes with the Star of David?

    • Replies: @Johann
    , @Anon y mous
  3. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

  4. State sovereignty went by the wayside with the fugitive slave laws, which Finlandized the free states. Just as a Soviet refugee wasn’t free until he reached Sweden, the stray colored man wasn’t free until he reached Upper or Lower Canada.

    Southern politicians fought fiercely for these laws, and condemned attempts at nullification and interposition. Call it the War of Southern Aggression. As with “freedom of association”, the idea of state sovereignty is sound. It’s just that Dixie statesmen were the worst possible spokesmen for it.

    These people don’t hate the battle flag because they hate the South. (They loved Dixie when she was a lefty fellow traveler in the Wilson and FDR years.) They hate it as a token of resistance to their rule.

    Genuine Yankees made peace with the flag generations ago. It’s Ellis Island trash that’s stirring up the pot today. And you know they’re trash because they do what trash has done for over 200 years– vote for the Democratic Party.

    Germany has outlawed the National Socialists not as a political party, but as a criminal gang. We should look into doing the same here , with history’s third-most evil political party.

  5. Clyde says:

    Second, in demonizing the flag, the haters demonize a whole section of the country, a section—the Southeast.

    Wrong. This anti-Confederate flag frenzy is intended to demonize all white Americans. And by extension to elevate all others, blacks in particular. How ungrateful! Whites invented all the things that lifted blacks/other minorities out of misery. Modern medicines, antibiotics, sound public sanitation, just for starters.
    Read Fred Reeds most recent on this. We even invented Cheetos and grape soda for them to chow down on. They are screwed without us. Example, Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @Lepanto
  6. It is only the political vulnerability of the Confederate flag that explains why it is in the crosshairs while the American flag remains safe—for now.

    I can definitely see it going that way; hell, within England, displaying the Union Jack is practically considered a demonstration of xenophobic hatred. The Stars and Stripes is already considered gauche at the very least. Patriotism in general is highly suspect and can only be expressed in the form of an ironic joke, like the current Carl’s Jr. ad.

    With the recent SCOTUS ruling, you can be sure that a lot of people will be integrating the LGBT rainbow flag into their festivities this Saturday, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to provoke angry responses from Stars-and-Stripes-wielding ‘Murricans that they can air on the Daily Show. That could be the start of it.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  7. When you defeat your enemy at war, you can follow two courses: grind him beneath your boot heel, as with (in recent times) Germany after 1920, and risk something worse; or, after a good thrashing, great kindness, as suggested by General Sir Charles Napier, as with Japan and Germany after 1945, and risk a stable partner and healthy economy.

    When the vanquished are your own countrymen, following the first course is just nutz. Following it for 150 years after the end of said war is even more so.

  8. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    In 2015…the American Flag=The highly racialized Majority Nonwhite Democratic Party.

    The highly racialized majority nonwhite Democratic Party has exterminated over two thousand Conservative Orthodox Christian Russian speaking Ukrainians. This is what we call MASS MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Majority nonwhite Democratic Party=RACE HATE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!!!!!

    The American Flag=a symbol of racial hared and violence!!!

    The SPLC=The Democratic Party.

    The SPLC=a racist terrorist organization.

    Ban the American Flag..for it is a symbol of RACE HATE!!!!

    Arrest the leader of the Democratic Party for TERRORISM!!!!

  9. helena says:

    But… the cultural capital of the confederacy, the stereotypes, the music, the images, the myths, seem to have survived the repressive forces of our age, and are already global brands.

  10. anon • Disclaimer says:

    If you know about this stuff you knew the Dylan Roof story as soon as you saw half his friends were black.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastover,_South_Carolina

    93% black

    His life was Shawshank Redemption without the redemption – 100% certain.

  11. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Democratic Party=THE CRUSH WHITEY’S FUCKING SKULL IN PARTY!!!!…just stating the obvious.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  12. Rich says:

    That Southerners seem ready to roll over on the flag of their ancestors shows how low they, and the rest of America, have fallen. The American people appear to have no respect for their ancestors and little respect for themselves. The idea that South Carolina has a Coloured Governor, a Negro Senator and an apparently homosexual White Senator, all of whom have come out against the Confederate Flag, shows to what disgraceful levels Carolinians have been reduced.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    , @Anonymous
  13. @WowJustWow

    I can definitely see it going that way; hell, within England, displaying the Union Jack is practically considered a demonstration of xenophobic hatred.

    A better analogy would be the English flag–with the Cross of St. George. Historically, before Scotland and England officially united, it was the flag of England for a long time. Now, sadly, just because some extremist groups (such as the English Defence League) have appropriated it as ‘their’ symbol, many English liberals regard it–unfairly–as a symbol of ‘hate’.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    , @Bill Jones
  14. A better analogy would be the English flag–with the Cross of St. George.

    Only one US state has the St George Cross in its flag. Since the 18th century, no less.

    So does at least one nonwhite-majority republic.

    Hint: they are one and the same.

    • Replies: @travell-lyte
  15. JustJeff says:

    Good, I hope they get around to attacking the Yankee rag soon. It doesn’t stand for God, Mom, and Apple Pie anymore. It stands for Swindling, Sodomy, and Sanctimony.

  16. Flower says:

    It is a fake. It is designed to do what it is succeeding at doing: namely, to distract you/us from the forcing of the TPP thru the legislature. You fools are too busy debating whether the confederate flag is “bad” or not to ask the questions about TPP. Y’know like whats IN the GD thing and why the govts are terrified that we’ll find out?

    BTW the flag displayed in this article is NOT the Flag of the Confederate States of America, it is the battle flag of the Army of Virginia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America.
    The actual, official, flag of the confederacy looked very much like the Betsy Ross flag of the original 13 colonies.

    Way to go David, suckered you again.

    • Replies: @Apolitical
    , @rod1963
  17. All this business of flags implies that war is the answer. If that’s the answer, what was the question? Flags are not waved to make people think. Everywhere we look, pretexts for war are being planted. Honest businessmen prefer stability. Dishonest ones periodically need a calamity large enough to allow them to hide the evidence. Think of all the evidence of accounting crimes that was carted away in the WTC and Pentagon rubble, along with the investigators’ remains. Left and Right, black, brown and white, we’re all being set up for another “catalyzing event”.

    • Replies: @Jim
  18. Lepanto says:
    @Clyde

    Or maybe the frenzy is designed to sow dissension among Americans and within America. You fall right into the trap of the cultural Marxists when you start spouting whites vs. the others. You help weaken our country.

    • Replies: @Apolitical
  19. Biff says:

    I hope no one minds if I leave flags, songs, causes, and symbols to the symbol minded.

    • Replies: @hammersmith
  20. rod1963 says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    Oh please calling the EDL is extremist is silly. They fact they don’t like Muslim immigration and the destruction they cause only makes them extremists to the open borders gang who support simpering fools like Cameron or Millibrand.

    The EDL if it was in the U.S. would be to the Left of the Democratic party.

  21. @Lepanto

    Agreed, and dude, where’s my country?

  22. @Flower

    How is it even possible in a democracy to pass secret legislation? A secret law is no law.

    • Replies: @Flower
  23. rod1963 says:
    @Flower

    Good catch.

    Keep people focused on a social issue while the political elite bend us over and ruin our lives just so they can make a bit more \$\$\$ by selling the country out.

    Of course no news network will even talk about TPP except in the most glowing and vague terms.

    It does demonstrate however the total control by the powerful of the MSM.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There also were Native American tribes that fought on the side of the Confederacy.

    I think part of this push is also meant to erase from history the reality that a number of Americans, through their State Legislatures, decided to leave the United States and go off on their own. The political establishment does not anyone to think this is possible today.

  25. Please do not perpetrate the black Confederate myth. An handful of thinly sourced claims such as you cite are contradicted by the vast majority of the documented evidence. The wiser paleoconservatives know not to make these claims. You never see anyone talking about black Confederates in the pages of Chronicles.

  26. @War for Blair Mountain

    “The Democratic Party=THE CRUSH WHITEY’S FUCKING SKULL IN PARTY!!!!…just stating the obvious.”

    Are there any nationally prominent Republicans, any at all, who support the Confederate Battle Flag? Because if so, I haven’t heard of them (unless you still count Patrick Buchanan, I guess). Meanwhile, Jim Webb, a candidate for the Democratic Party’s Presidential nomination, does support the Battle Flag.

    Liberalism/”progressivism” has indeed become the ideology of Death-to-Western-civilization, but its foolish to imagine this ideology is coterminous with the Democratic Party.

  27. Oh come on. The articles of secession of most of the southern states, including all of the early ones, made it clear that the real causus belli was slavery. All of this rubbish about states rights, protective tariffs and the like was window dressing. Most black Americans find the Stars and Bars as offensive as Jews would find a Nazi flag and want it to come down from public property. You are free to put in on your car, fly it in front of your house or have it tatooed on your ass.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Anonymous
  28. @James Kabala

    Of course I meant “perpetuate” – but the typo actually works just as well.

    • Replies: @Jack Kerwick
  29. rod1963 says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    White liberals from the Northern states are just more overt about wanting to destroy Western civilization – though I find it amusing that these pasty faced humanities majors think anyone who succeeds Western civ is even going to tolerate these traitors.

    The GOP is mostly a mouthpiece for the very wealthy and their agenda. And most of their agenda has been bad for the white working and middle-class if one looks at the last 30+ years – it’s been a continual decline and assault against them. What little prosperity they got were a result of bubbles blown by Wall Street to keep the illusion alive that the country was doing okay when it wasn’t.

    Socially the GOP has all but abandoned Western values, etc. They have completely ceded the culture war to the Left.

    Whites would be quite smart to walk away from the party.

  30. guest says:
    @Robert Kelley

    The cause of secession isn’t the cause of war. Technically Ft. Sumter started the war, but really it was a war of conquest, which would’ve happened no matter what was the South’s motive. Whatever war there’d have been to avenge Sumter would’ve borne no resemblance to the war in the history books. Seek for the casus belli in the North.

    I might add that you can’t trust politicians to tell the truth, ever, and certainly not the whole truth. At best protecting slavery was shorthand for the panoply of complaints they had against their sectional rivals and the Republican Party in particular.

    You could say slavery was foremost on their minds. But of course slavery wasn’t in direct danger. Lincoln even proposed to extend its protection indefinitely, though you can’t trust his promise any more than any politician’s. I believe he was sincerely a defender of the institution where it existed, but I don’t blame confederates for not trusting him.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
  31. @Reg Cæsar

    and I just watched “The Descendants” last nite… recommended, BTW

  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Kelley

    “All of this rubbish about states rights…was window dressing”

    It was quite literally a states rights issue. What could be a greater right than for states to quit the union? Let’s assume it was all about slavery. How is that not a states rights issue? As in, the right of the states to forestall the federal government from eventually outlawing it, which is what many feared. You seem mixed up.

    “Most Black Americans find the Stars and Bars as offensive as Jews would find a Nazi flag”

    There’s the real issue, right there. Why should they, or the people’s le speaking on their behalf, get to dictate what is and isn’t acceptable symbols based on what offends them? Who put their delicate sensibilities in charge? Why should the confederate cause be thrown down the memory hole because of what black people have been told not to like?

    “You are free to put it in your car, fly it in front of your house or have it tattooed on your ass”

    For now.

  33. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    The only viable option for The Historic Native Born White American Working Class is highly racially zenophobic Anarcho-Syndicalist Racial Nationalism.

    Webb-Coulter 2017 is pure unadulturated infantile nonsense.

    Our People must wage WAR against the Mega-Corporations and White Male Mega-CEOs.

    The Native Born White American People of Alabama need to evolve into a Sentient Life Form and 1)stay out of the Roll Tide Bear Bryant Football Stadium…and 2)realize that JAYSUS!!!!! doesn’t give a rats arse about ROLL TIDE FOOTBALL!!!!.. For if JAYSUS does, he sniffs ROLL TIDE FOOTBALL!!!! jock straps all day in heaven….and therefore, JAYSUS!!!! is a filthy homosexual…and therefore,ain’t so great after all.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  34. Jefferson says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    ““The Democratic Party=THE CRUSH WHITEY’S FUCKING SKULL IN PARTY!!!!…just stating the obvious.”

    Are there any nationally prominent Republicans, any at all, who support the Confederate Battle Flag? Because if so, I haven’t heard of them (unless you still count Patrick Buchanan, I guess). Meanwhile, Jim Webb, a candidate for the Democratic Party’s Presidential nomination, does support the Battle Flag.

    Liberalism/”progressivism” has indeed become the ideology of Death-to-Western-civilization, but its foolish to imagine this ideology is coterminous with the Democratic Party.”

    Jim Webb supports amnesty for Illegals. Why do you support such politicians huh O’Keeffe? Is it because you are Irish and Hispanics remind you of Irish immigrants who landed on Ellis Island. You just want to stick it to Mayflower English Americans don’t you.

    Jim Webb has a pathetic D according to NumbersUSA which is a website that favors reducing immigration levels into The United States.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/content/elections/races/presidential/jim-webb.html

    Jim Webb is not looking out for White America, this is 100 percent fact and not debatable. Jim Webb is pro-multiculturalism. That is why he has a Nonwhite wife.

  35. Maj. Kong says:
    @Rich

    South Carolina has always been our most warmongering state. The conservatives of that state will do anything to protect their status quo. That of large scale federal military spending.

    Slash the DoD, and Dixie will come back…

  36. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Jefferson

    John Derbyshire endorsed a Webb-Coulter ticket 2017 on Vdare.com today..A ticket I would happily vomit upon…over and over again.

    All these former Reagan Youths…Brimelow…Derbyshire….skanky Annie…always dispensing advice on how the Republican Party can be salvaged.

    Skanky Annie spent her youth defending the interests of the Mega-White Male CEO.

    The Republican Party, spawned in Satan’s personal toilet bowl in HELL!!!!!…right next to the treasonous filthy Irish Catholic reprobates JFK and his brother Teddy.

  37. Maj. Kong says:
    @guest

    The state of Kentucky declared neutrality, but the Confederates invaded the state and were defeated at Perryville. There was also an attempt to seize control of Missouri, which was a powder keg of partisan warfare even after the official end of the war. It may have been likely that Maryland would have seceded without Lincoln’s institution of martial law, but the citizens most in support of secession left and joined the Confederate Army, giving the Unionists victory by default.

    Lincoln was a compromise moderate candidate to secure the electoral votes of Pennsylvania, the Radicals (Seward, Fremont, Chase) feared by the Southern “fire-eaters”, were not going to win an electoral majority. Now what’s actually quite interesting is noting the returns from Oregon and California, had the Democrats not split that year, they would have won those states. Perhaps we could have had a Pacific Federation.

  38. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Maj. Kong

    That’s the ticket!!!!!

    Alternative History:no passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…A National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all Asians…Silicon Valley is forced to rely upon the brain power of Appalachia and the Deep South….and the larger Native Born White American Working Class in general…After all, it was their taxes that incubated Silicon Valley Technology in Government Labs and DARPA Programs for decades-only to be handed over to China’s and India’s Youth Colonizing Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space.

    Pat Buchannan’s great failure:the above point should have been hammered home unrelentingly in all three of his books.

    Vdare.com’s great failure:the above point should have been hammered home unrelentingly every day on vdare.com.

  39. I truly love the battle flag, but I don’t want to upset any black folk (although I do like to irritate faggy liberals) so I’m going to get a Novorussian flag to put on my Jean jacket. Everybody wins!

  40. Oldvannes says:

    Progressives and their half-wit foot soldiers are and have been waging a Civil War (including violence) for 2 or 3 generations, while we have been continually giving ground and pleading for a civil discussion.

    Another generation or two and they will have achieved complete victory.

    Even the Hippies showed more backbone than we do in confronting “The Man”.

  41. Corvinus says:

    “Third, it is simply a lie that the Confederates were fighting for slavery.”

    A cursory google search reveals several historians who would argue to the contrary. So stop embarrassing yourself.

    “State sovereignty went by the wayside with the fugitive slave laws.”

    That’s observably false. Northern states passed “personal liberty” laws requiring trial by jury for blacks accused of being fugitive slaves and making the “recapture” of a fugitive slave a kidnapping offense. Today, the States clearly have the right to govern themselves within the confines of those rights delegated in the Constitution.

    “As with “freedom of association”, the idea of state sovereignty is sound.”


    Southrons during Jim Crow got greedy. Separate but unequal was the prevailing notion. State laws in Dixie clearly circumvented the liberties of citizens merely based on color. Fortunately, they got their comeuppance. Of course, we can freely associate with whomever we please, provided that conduct does not interfere with one’s constitutional rights. That’s the social contract in action.

    “This anti-Confederate flag frenzy is intended to demonize all white Americans.”

    
No, it’s a ridiculous effort made by some radical leftists and taken to extremes by companies, government officials, and citizens to eradicate an important symbol in American history.

    “Arrest the leader of the Democratic Party for TERRORISM!!!!”



    Lay off the whiskey please.

    “White liberals from the Northern states are just more overt about wanting to destroy Western civilization.”

    Western civilization is actually code for pro-white rather than pro-humanity.

    “That is why he has a Nonwhite wife.”

    Jefferson, so does John Derbyshire. Your point?

  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    I can’t believe *NASCAR* fell in line so quick….these companies are scared to death of getting in the crosshairs. You just can’t go against the power of these activists.

    They are a minority, but they own the media and they can focus a death-ray of destruction on you if you don’t cave-in.

    Even Trump is going to have to bow down. If a rich, narcissistic guy like him can’t speak freely, we are all in serious trouble.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
  43. Flower says:
    @Apolitical

    You are absolutely correct. Under the Constitution, not to mention common sense and logic, Americans cannot be beholding to a secret law as the secrecy itself denies legal/proper representation. To let a few cronies look at the law and then claim that the people were thus represented is both ridiculous as well as fraudulent. Representation means just that. Or, at least, it USED to mean that, today, it could mean anything.

    Now, let’s see a show of hands of those who think the SCOTUS will see it as un-Constitutional…I don’t see any armpits, folks, c’mon!

  44. @Seamus Padraig

    It’s primary display is now during international football games.

    It will be on display tomorrow during the girls world cup game.

  45. iffen says:

    Why does Unz publish these class-A retards and their gibberish about black confederates fighting a war over tariff levels? He has top drawer Sailer and Razib, people like Karlin that seem to know a little about what they write about. Even some of his foreign policy wingnuts are coherent and make sense if you accept their bizzaro world premises. Why does he publish this nonsense?

  46. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anonymous

    If Trump falls, the political process is dead. The typical GOP trick would be to say the same things that he says, in a less intemperate fashion.

    They aren’t doing that this time, they are either ignoring, or waiting to ambush.

  47. @James Kabala

    James Kabala:

    What are you talking about? Don’t be arrogant. If there is something objectionable about the remarks of Frederick Douglass, Walter E. Williams, Charles H. Wesley, and Bob Harrison–all black, in case you didn’t know–then identify just some of “the vast majority of documented evidence” that allegedly contradicts it. Just some.

    Seriously: What ARE you talking about?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  48. Who are these slaves that Robert E. Lee freed?

    http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/03/robert-e-lee-owned-slaves-and-defended-slavery/

    Granted that his attitudes were relatively hostile to slavery by the standards of Southern élites at the time. That’s a very low standard to meet.

    • Replies: @PatrickHenry
  49. @War for Blair Mountain

    highly racially zenophobic Anarcho-Syndicalist Racial Nationalism.

    A “Zenophobe” would be someone who fears paradoxes. Don’t know if you do, but from the looks of your comment, you certainly don’t oppose oxymorons.

  50. @Jack Kerwick

    What were there more of? Blacks in the Confederate army, blacks in the Union army, or blacks in the army of rapists let loose by the war?

    I only ask because, well, it’s fun to ask questions which both sides run away from. Like, why do only whites take homo marriage seriously?

  51. Giuseppe says:

    Your first point is that the Stars and Stripes is even more an icon of oppression than the Star and Bars, and that is where we should leave it. The answer is to remove the American flag from our churches and our sports fields; these institutions are not agencies of the federal government. The military subsidizes the worship of giant flags in athletic venues strictly to propagandize unending war. Conflict of interest.

    • Replies: @Silverado
  52. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Xenophobe…all paradoxes banished

  53. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @iffen

    Whatever your view is on the origin of the Civil War…it was a monumental waste of Native Born White American Male Lives…because blacks weren’t worth it.

    Emitt Till…a serial killer rapist in training…got what he deserved….and so did his serial killer rapist father Louis Till.

  54. To (fellow) Southerners: Howz that bloated super-patriotism working out for ya now?

  55. Johann says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It should also be noted that over four million German civilians were killed by allied bombing during the glorious WWII and that Uncle Joe Stalin with FDR’s approval killed almost three million German civilians who were living in their ancestral homes in Eastern Europe. Also the firebombing campaign conceived by American war mongers was much more deadly than the atomic bombs dropped.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  56. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Nazis were friends with Bosnian Muslims and the Jap bastards….now fuck off !!!!! with your worshipping of the FARTING FUERHER ADOLF SCHICKLEGRUBER…..

  57. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Here is what the attack on the Confederate Flag is all about:

    The passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act=The passage of The 1965 Native Born White American Extermination Act=the mass importation of the high fertility highly racialized Democratic Party Voting Bloc=The Democratic Party=THE CRUSH WHITEY’S FUCKING SKULL IN PARTY!!!!!!

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “Anarcho-syndicalism,” besides being undesirable, is impossible.

  59. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Dylan Roof lived in a 93% black town and was possibly the only white kid.

    He is a poster boy for the true story of integration that the media has lied about for 50 years.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    While the Revolutionary War was a civil war, that is a war to take over the government from the current and duly constituted authorities, the War to Stop Secession was not. It was a war to stop people who no longer wanted to associate with the other states from leaving. The south in no way wanted to take over the Federal government. It easily could have following First Manassas. It did not. Aside from the circular reasoning put forth about a “more perfect union,” they had every right constitutionally and historically to leave.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  61. “Lee favored the immediate abolition of slavery.”

    Whereas the rabid racist Lincoln in his first inaugural address said:

    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

    http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html

    And that’s why you never get that one taught in government schools.

  62. Jim says:
    @Apolitical

    Please consider such evidence even in 2001 would have been stored in digital format on electronic media and transmitted thousands of miles from the WTC to conform with practices for managing financial records. My point is that the evidence almost certainly has not been destroyed. Prepare for new images of misery as a handful of not-so-anonymous financial barons point bony fingers toward yet another ground zero.

  63. Lousteau says:

    How is the hatred built into the Confederate flag supposed to be different from the hatred built into the Nazi swastika?

  64. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpg4tWvXqUI

    Check this out. Speaking of ‘controversies’, they just keep getting dumber and dumber.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  65. @Johann

    from The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940 – 1945, by Jörg Friedrich,

    4. PROTECTION

    ” ” This civilian casualty total is far removed from the generally anticipated total of several millions.” — THE U. S. STRATEGIC BOMBING SURVEY ”

  66. Ron Unz says:
    @Priss Factor

    Thanks for the tip about that pretty funny video. A few weeks ago I’d built the machinery for adding videos to the Home page, and this one has now become the first.

  67. Olorin says:

    Secede

    From

    The

    Media

  68. Anonymous [AKA "JohnnyPleb"] says:

    Why not just divide the nation because there is no way that the different groups can live together peacefully in the long run, and we shouldn’t be forced together. Wouldn’t it be great if our elected officials didn’t have to go to Washington D.C. to represent their constituents? No more foreign wars and no more bribery and corruption to serve Washington and foreign special interests.

    In many ways, the Confederacy was more in line with what the Founding Fathers imagined, which is why the Flag is still important.

  69. If the people of South Carolina give in, the erasing of history will not stop there. And the claim that the flag belongs in a museum is just a canned argument, since museums can erase history or give a completely one-sided version as well, which is already happening.

    And what happens after history is erased? Can people be next? The deliberate change of demographics, often illegally, and always without public consent, should raise alarm bells, especially when combined with the kind of hatred and extremism that accompanies political correctness and multiculturalism. The erasing of people has already started.

    The Confederate flag is not the issue. The issue is the radicals running the country who are using the murder of innocents to to divide and change the country. They are repugnant. They are dangerous. They are the problem.

  70. @Jefferson

    “Jim Webb supports amnesty for Illegals. Why do you support such politicians huh O’Keeffe?”

    That’s what you say. He claims to have other ideas.

    “Is it because you are Irish and Hispanics remind you of Irish immigrants who landed on Ellis Island. You just want to stick it to Mayflower English Americans don’t you.”

    Yes, that’s it exactly. I also talk like a pirate, and check under my bed each night, in order to make sure I’m not being oppressed by Queen Elizabeth herself, in person.

    This Potemkin Irish-American persona you’ve created for your own amusement, I guess, is quite bizarre, and if it represents anything at all, its something I’ve never seen. Teddy “No Pants” Kennedy doesn’t count, as his identity is as part of the transnational ruling class, not “an Irish-American citizen of the USA.”

    “Jim Webb is not looking out for White America, this is 100 percent fact and not debatable. Jim Webb is pro-multiculturalism. That is why he has a Nonwhite wife.”

    I guess we’ll put you down as being in favor of President Marco Rubio, or whichever plutocratic piece of crap the Republican establishment chooses to nominate, you Grand Aryan Warlord. We’re all very impressed, you know.

  71. @James Kabala

    There is a ton of evidence regarding blacks fighting for the Confederacy. Do read much?

  72. @Greg Pandatshang

    Greg Pandatshang:
    “Granted that his (Robert E. Lee’s) attitudes were relatively hostile to slavery by the standards of Southern élites at the time. That’s a very low standard to meet.”

    Not as low as Abraham Lincoln’s standards, an ardent supporter of the Corwin Amendment to permanently entrench legalized slavery in the Constitution.

  73. Mickey says: • Website

    Gotta disagree on this one. This guy has a lot of things wrong about his history. Was this war about States Rights, SURE, and the biggest one was to keep the institution of slavery and be able to extend that right into the newly formed western States. Simply read the Deceleration of Secession of every Southern State.
    Here is a sample from the State of Mississippi:
    “”It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
    It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
    It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
    It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
    It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.””
    According to David Cox, former rector of a Lexington church named after General Lee, when a lady asked Lee what she should do with her Confederate flag, he responded: “Fold it up and put it away.”
    So sensitive was Lee during his final years with extinguishing the fiery passions of the Civil War that he opposed erecting monuments on the battlefields where the Southern soldiers under his command had fought against the Union. “I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered,” .
    Some things to remember about The Civil War:
    1. We lost, (nowhere else in history does the loser of a civil uprising against their rightfully elected government get to continue to fly their flag on the Government Grounds that defeated it)
    2. We were on the wrong side of History.
    3. The South was on the wrong side of the moral issues.
    4. The south DID fight over States Rights, sure, which included the right to keep slaves.
    5. Every deceleration of Succession by every Southern State, made it clear that they were leaving the Union because of slavery.
    6. The South was in rebellion against the United States and it’s Constitution.
    7. Our heritage and this flags heritage also includes the KKK, lynch mobs, bombings and water hoses.
    8. The South was controlled by rich slave owners who got us into this fight, because they were in control of state legislature’s and then they made the poor, common, people of the south, who wanted no part of the war for slavery, fight their battle for them, via a Draft. (so much for States rights, huh). So many a Southern man really did not want to fight this war, so that is why a draft was needed.
    9. 100,000 southerners straight up, left and joined the union ranks, 300,000 more from border states around the South, and thousands more deserted the Confederacy and went home, or joined up with union forces later.
    We were never really united down South.
    Any Flag of the Confederacy should be kept only in museums and historical displays, as a reminder of how people, even good people can be miss-led, or sometime’s forcibly coerced into not standing up for what is right. This symbol should not be on any State Flag, or on any Government grounds, period.
    So, NO, I do not like that flag, and Yes I do know my history thank you very much!
    But hey, it’s still a free country thank God, which a lot of good Americans died for, yes even Southerners who fought against this flag, so fly em if you want, but that heritage is probably not what you were led to believe.

  74. Silverado says:
    @Giuseppe

    Here, here!! You are EXACTLY correct. Thumbs up to that. And you get 5 stars…

  75. According to Custis house website, Lee freed slaves in December 1862, his father in law freed some prior to his death. Lee actually kept them as slaves longer than his father-in-law’s will stated because he determined that was necessary for estates finances:

    http://www.nps.gov/arho/learn/historyculture/slavery.htm

  76. @Anonymous

    While the Revolutionary War was a civil war… the War to Stop Secession was not

    That depends on which state you’re talking about. The ones with mountains had Union regiments, and thus were in a civil war.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The confederate flag should have been taken down it only because it is successionist flag and was used to protest civil rights in the 1960s. Even though it is not anymore racist than the stars and stripes. The union had 400,000 slaves in Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and union occupied New Orleans to the confederate 2,100,000. So it should fly in memorials, museums businesses and homes. The confederate flag is part of mutiracial antebellum balls by the great grand children of confederates who moved to Brazil after the American Civil war. The confederate flag is sold off as cheap knock offs sold in county fairs beside the Bob Marley Lion of Zion flags even in Kingston Ontario. Hillary Clinton is the hypocrite who said the confederate flag belongs nowhere in America yet Bill Clinton and Al Gore used confederate flag buttons in 1992. In fact Jimmy Carter posed beside a confederate flag in his 1976 and 1980 election bid. Hillary herself John Mc Cain Sarah Palin even to his regret Barack Obama used confederate flag buttons in 2008 though Hillary had confederate flag sandals for her 2016 election bid. The Confederate flag is really an American St Andrews cross the flag of Scotland and Nova Scotia. Their is the proper confederate flag with 13 stars and two red bars the battle jack in white background later with a red stripe and the Bonnie blue a star in a Bonnie blue background. Amazon and E bay are foolish hypocrites they banned the confederate flag but sell racist cookie jars along with the flags of Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa along with fascist, imperial Japanese Nazi and communist flags.

  78. @SolontoCroesus

    “Israel” is already sucking the life out of the U.S. by extorting BILLIONS from U.S. Taxpayers. We receive no benefit, just PERPETUAL WAR & legislation protecting them from “hate speech”. And, they are the penultimate Anti-Semites.

  79. Carl Price says: • Website
    @anonymous

    I was not aware that there was a group that actually cared about the truth when it came to our country’s history, but you are right, first one flag, then the other,people are easily lead when they DON’T know the truth or DON’T want to know the truth.

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