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A continuum exists in how to address the Covid-19 virus. On one end are those wanting to quickly phase out the lockdown (“a cure worse than the disease”) despite the mounting deaths. Opposed are Americans so terrified the that nothing less than total eradication of the virus will suffice.

The first view typically rests on an economic cost/benefit analysis including “human despair” that may be short of death, for example, unemployment induced domestic violence (and see here and here). The justification for continued draconian measures, at least outside of “hotspots” like New York City is, however, less clear. This rationale is especially questionable given the low odds of catching the diseases and being hospitalized—the most recent pertinent data are 40.4 per 100,000 (but 131.6 for those 65+, a figure comparable for hospitalization rates for the seasonal flu). Moreover, many infected display no symptoms or recover at home so they are statistically invisible so the true infection rate of 40.4 per 100,000 is likely too high.

The mortality rate, the bottom line in assessing risk, is exceedingly complex and, varies as new data are uncovered and past figures are re-calculated. The overall rate is estimated to be 5.84%, but this is highly age-related, varies enormously by state (from 1282.2 per million in New York vs. 12.1 per million in Wyoming) and depends on other health factors such obesity and heart illness Yet, such is the nature of the complicated data, others (including Dr. Anthony Fauci) suggest that the mortality rate may be as low as 1%, a figure still substantially greater than the “normal” seasonal flu. All and all, then, the objective scientific data—the overall low incidence of infection, its selective impact and low death rate of those infected– hardly justifies the type of hysteria in which, for example, a hair salon operator is jailed for conducting business.

What, then, accounts for the frenzy?

Let’s begin by noting that carnage per se does not entirely explain the panic. The super-deadly 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic is well-known but more relevant was the ‘Hong Kong flu” of 1968, a far more lethal pox than today’s Asian import. Though largely forgotten, in 1968, the H3N2 (its technical name) pandemic killed 100,000 Americans (plus a million more worldwide), a figure that exceeds the death toll of both the Vietnam and Korean Wars. Moreover, the US population in 1970 was 209 million versus 330 million today, so adjusted for population the number killed was 136,000. For unclear reasons, however, the 1968 “Hong Kong” flu passed almost unnoticed when it hit, conceivably over-shadowed by the Vietnam war and widespread urban rioting. Closer in time was the epidemic of 1957 that killed 116,000 and the 2009 flu epidemic—H1N1—affected 60.8 million Americans and the estimated death toll was around 12,000.

Part of the explanation for the panic (outside of a few hotspots like New York City and Northern New Jersey) lies in the predictability of deadly infection, not its absolute incidence. The power of controllability to calm fear is well-illustrated by how few Americans ever worried over AIDS once transmission mechanisms were uncovered. Since the HIV/AIDS epidemic exploded in the 1980s, some 700,000 Americans have died of AIDs but few Americans are panicked by the carnage. Escaping AIDs merely entails avoiding dangerous homosexual sex and shooting up drugs, behaviors that nearly Americans readily avoid. Thus understood, safety is guaranteed, so there is no anxiety or depression regardless of HIV/AIDs rates.

This distinction between controllable versus almost random lethality helps explains why highlighting overall US morality statistics fails to calm the panic. For those terrified going to Whole Foods, it makes absolutely no difference if the 2017 death toll from heart illness was 647,457, or, for that matter, 1,000,000 or 10,000,000! Nobody suddenly contracts heart illness by shopping at Whole Foods. Of the ten major causes of death in 2017 tracked by the CDC, the only transmittable one is influenza and pneumonia (55,672 cases in 2017), and even here, potential victims exercise substantial individual controllability via flu shots or seeing a doctor early on.

Covid-19 at least currently is different though, as public health officials insist, it can be mitigated by avoiding crowds, frequent hand washing and wearing masks. But, can such personal actions hardly guarantee given the iffy underlying science. For example, as one recent report from New York City found that two-thirds of those admitted to hospitals were, as per official decree, self-quarantined by staying home. Only a small percentage worked away from home and a tiny number took public transportation, In other words, the official wisdom may have been inaccurate, so who can be trusted?

Potential unknown dangers lurk everywhere even if the actual hazard is exceedingly remote. Yes, you may barricade yourself, wear a Haz-Mat suit and order out meals but the Typhoid Mary delivery person may deposit the virus on the pizza box. Your non-medical grade mask only protects others from you, not vice versa so the infected person who jogs past you in the park may be a killer (and even medical grade face masks can be dangerous counterfeits). You cannot banish a spouse or child, and each might inadvertently bring the pox home. Keep in mind, that it will be months before a cure can be found, and given the millions of possible opportunities for infection, only a single incident can be deadly.

The panic also reflects is the unavailability of the traditional, and most effective solution—escape. Rich Italians during the Renaissance practiced villeggiaturafleeing the city to a country farm or villa and waiting for the pestilence to subside. Given the frequency of plagues, building isolated rural villas flourished and undoubtedly help calmed frayed nerves.

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Alas, hardly possible in today’s travel-friendly world. When the epidemic first appeared, for example, many affluent New Yorkers fled to their seemingly safe vacation homes, but few city residents enjoy this costly option and, more important, the influx could hardly exclude asymptomatic carriers who would then infect escapees. The epidemic’s worldwide ubiquity also precludes easy refuge. An inexpensive Dominican Republic resort is hardly a safe haven–who can guarantee a virus-free staff, and local medical facilities may be inadequate. This physical escape option also assumes that the sanctuary will admit you.

Make no mistake, the carnage is real, tragic and Pollyanna obliviousness is not the cure but, that being said, this is not the apocalypse. Especially troublesome is how sky-high anxiety levels undermine rational cost-benefit public debate. It is easy to understand why those suffering from cabin fever are confused by often uncertain epidemical CDC data. Statistics about the extremely low odds of infection for those under 65 and in decent health are meaningless to habitual lottery players or the innumerate. Terror may be especially likely for that fantasizing ending life as an anonymous corpse rotting in a refrigerated truck in a Queens New York parking lot thanks to briefly encountering a McDonald’s employee. Though it might bring momentary therapeutic relief, mindlessly lashing out at President Trump for insufficient testing, stockpiling too few ventilators, White House disorganization, recommending drinking Clorox or just “rejecting science” solves nothing.

 
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  1. Statistics about the extremely low odds of infection for those under 65 and in decent health

    There is no biological correlation between age and probability of infection. The biological correlation is between age and the probability of becoming seriously ill (or of dying).

    This seems to be a common mistake, as even today Steve Sailer wrote a brief related comment in reply to a reader (https://www.unz.com/isteve/only-0-72-of-baseball-employees-have-covid-antibodies/#comment-3888590).

    Of course there may be a non-biological correlation between age and infection, if you take into account that young people go out more, so are more liable to get infected, and things like that.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Richard B
  2. @Brás Cubas

    What do you know, one minute after I wrote that comment I found this out.

    James Thompson’ article ‘Sneeze and Fly’ on this website cites a review by Dr. Muge Cevik of several papers. She has published this review on Twitter. She writes:

    Although limited, these studies so far indicate that susceptibility to infection increases with age (highest >60y) and growing evidence suggests children are less susceptible, are infrequently responsible for household transmission, are not the main drivers of this epidemic

    So the science so far indicates you are right. But I don’t know of any biological explanation for this, so the explanation might be non-biological as I guessed.

  3. TG says:

    Indeed, COVID 19 seems to have perfectly hit not just the weaknesses in the human immune system, but the weaknesses in our psychology and economics and politics.

    Just dangerous enough to worry about – but not so dangerous that it burns itself out. Extremely infectious. Massive spread by asymptomatic carriers. No vaccine and, possibly, no vaccine in the immediate future. Infection is almost unpredictable. Conceivably people will not gain long-lasting immunity and could be reinfected. So yes, it’s creating social and economic havoc well out of proportion to the real death toll, but I don’t have a better solution either.

    I do suggest however that this should be a wake-up call: we have allowed diseases to spread as just a sort of cost-of-business. We tolerate the seasonal influenza even though shutting down unsanitary asian markets would largely get rid of that. We have allowed diseases like Dengue and Chagas and D68 enterovirus etc. to spread because dealing with them would be annoying and interfere with commerce and the free movement of cheap labor etc. We turn a blind eye to the overuse of antibiotics. We let building ventilation systems turn into carriers of disease, because taking that seriously would cost money. We jam untold millions into centralized airports and subways. We make railings and door handles out of stainless steel and plastic when copper and brass would be so much better (yes, really! Look up the antibacterial effects of copper alloys on wikipedia!). And so on.

    Until now, we could just ignore the costs of all of this and get away with it. No longer, I think. Even after the coronavirus has – eventually – burned out, we can never – we should never – take infectious disease so casually ever again.

  4. BuelahMan says:
    @TG

    Are you sure you have listed ALL the fear porn?

    Sometimes I think I’m one of the few that disbelieves virtually EVERYTHING from these official sources. I certainly won’t regurgitate the fear when it obviously isn’t as settled as you let on.

  5. Russ says:

    The amgreatness.com site had a good article on this Wuhan Flu from Michael Fumento, who was pilloried without end by the homosexual community in the 1980s for asserting that HIV/AIDS was not a great threat to heterosexuals. He was of course correct. It too covered the Spanish Flu and the Asian Flu and so forth, and Fumento did a fine job taking the great Doktor Fauci and that arsehole who runs the CDC to task. Was going to link to it from here; damned if it isn’t any longer there.

  6. Alden says:

    This year’s seasonal flu is just a seasonal hoax. Saw a headline in the Los Angeles Times about attacks bigotry and bias against Asians because of this year’s seasonal flu. That article is as much a hoax as the self defense killings of attackers Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin seemed racist murders by blacks the media and liberals led by Jews.

    2 Drs told me those rectangular medical masks are useless.

    What’s needed is the smaller cup shaped construction dust mask. It’s available in the millions at Home Depot Lowe’s ace true value Costco Walmart and every hardware and farm equipment and animal feed store in the country

    3m 8210 n95 mask Its sealed around the edges unlike those flapping medical masks.

    The media turned seasonal flu into insanity.

    • Replies: @theMann
  7. Russ says:

    Unable to find that Fumento article cited above, I had to content myself to rehash Anthony Fauci to CBS on 8 March 2020:

    “When it comes to preventing coronavirus, public health officials have been clear: Healthy people do not need to wear a face mask to protect themselves from COVID-19.

    “”There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.

    “While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

    “But there is another risk to healthy people buying disposable masks as a precaution. The price of face masks is surging, and Prestige Ameritech, the nation’s largest surgical mask manufacturer, is now struggling to keep up with the increased demand.

    “”It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it,” Fauci said.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/

    Now, of course, since then Fauci has become pro-mask, and in fact the linked article above is now replete with

    “Update: On Friday, April 3, President Trump announced that the CDC now recommends Americans wear a “basic cloth or fabric mask” in public. The following [above] was published on March 8.”

    So what the hell was learned between 8 March and 3 April, Dr. Fauci? Did the size of the virus droplets growwith the April showers to the size where the masks now entrap them? Did germs from the mask-wearers’ hands suddenly ceasetheir finger-to-face treks when the wearers picked their noses? Did China suddenly increasemask production to stave off the shortage and meet demand?

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @VICB3
  8. Charles says:

    It’s true the virus is (sometimes) deadly. It’s also true that the people who have the authority – and the means to back up that authority – to instigate lockdowns are doing so partly to see just how long the lockdowns will be tolerated. Minor protests aside, authorities have learned that they can essentially bring social and business life to a halt and the majority of people will accept it.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, schnellandine
    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  9. VSS says:

    How can the mortality rate be in the range of several percent when in NYC there have been some 20,000 deaths while 4,000,000 NYC residents have Coronavirus antibodies? This suggests the mortality rate is 0.5% or less. This value is comparable to the common flu.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Realist
  10. Alden says:
    @BuelahMan

    The seasonal flu turned into the new Black Plague is ridiculous . This year’s seasonal flu is just seasonal flu. Average age of death attributed, just attributed to Covid 19 is 75.

    The author of this rambling blather doesn’t even know those medical masks he recommends aren’t the n95 masks that supposedly prevent spreading the new Black Plague.

    How about worrying about economic effects? I was in 2 major international airports yesterday. Empty, more workers than passengers. Walked around my neighborhood every single independent store closed for the duration. This includes the independent hardware store. The nearest Home Depot is 15 miles away. The hardware store is about 100 years old and a wonderful thing to have in a neighborhood.

    About 12 people in a CVS that’s usually full. Customers standing 6 ft apart outside a food market like docile Russians during the soviet era or waiting to get into a homeless shelter.

    All my life I’ve read and been told by medical and public health alleged experts that winter flu bronchitis pneumonia and colds are caused by people staying inside with closed windows and doors in winter.

    This year the allegedly medical health and public health experts order us to stay inside in late winter and exchange germs and viruses 24 hours a day.

    Sunlight supposedly cured tuberculosis. In the 19th century TB hospitals had patients sitting in sun all day long and some were cured. Now the alleged experts order us inside away from the sun.

    And people believe seasonal flu is another Black Plague.

  11. SafeNow says:

    “Anticipatory anxiety” is a mental state that is different from general anxiety, which is linked in the essay. There is a psychiatric literature on AA. There exist new neuroimaging techniques identifying amygdala hyper-reactivity and so on that characterize AA. This is not fear, or risk-taking, or general anxiety, which are different. From what little I know, I believe that AA is at the root of the mass hysteria, and yet I have seen no recent articles on this. Some people have more AA than others. Here is a sample journal article. This is a technical field. A psychiatrist or a psychologist with specialized expertise should write a detailed but understandable lay article summarizing this mental mechanism. (and how to reduce it, short of going to Boot Camp).

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4276319/

  12. Huskynut says:
    @TG

    In contrast to BuelahMan, I find your comment very reasonable. We don’t have have to be freaked out by Covid, but we also could use it as a cue to cut out some of the utterly dumb shit we do as standard practice, such as degrade the useful working lives of antibiotics by over-prescription to animals, mostly to curtail to ghastly conditions that some extreme factory farming places them (hell, I eat most kinds of meat, that doesn’t mean I have to condone all farming practices..)

    Popularity of silver cutlery (“silverware”) in Victorian times wasn’t due to status signalling, but due to its germicidal properties. We have unlearned a lot of valuable, practical wisdom over time. And just because we have antibiotics and cloud computing doesn’t mean we can’t usefully use effective, low-cost old practices as well.

  13. Tom says:
    @BuelahMan

    The pandemic game is rigged. We all will be forced to be vaccinated so big pharma and those in its web can profit when very effective, safe, and cheap medicines like Hydroxychlorquine are being demonized by the power-brokers and the media-whores. They rigged the ‘Climate’, they rigged the ‘environment’ they rigged 9/11, they rigged “Weapons of Mass Destruction”, they rigged the entire racial narrative, so it figures that they’re doing the same sleight-of-hand now. Truth and real science are too often at odds with those pulling the world’s strings. It’s all about who controls the narrative. Maybe from the bowels of the United Nations? Maybe from the big corporate hitters? Both?
    The big cats just love a crisis. To wrap it up, I think it’s 10% pandemic and 90% gaming it to finalize the Controlled State.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  14. JosephB says:

    Though largely forgotten, in 1968, the H3N2 (its technical name) pandemic killed 100,000 Americans (plus a million more worldwide), a figure that exceeds the death toll of both the Vietnam and Korean Wars. Moreover, the US population in 1970 was 209 million versus 330 million today, so adjusted for population the number killed was 136,000.

    There is a glitch in the math. Using the numbers you provide, the estimated count for 2020 would be ~158,000.

    • Replies: @Redman
  15. @TG

    Until now, we could just ignore the costs of all of this and get away with it. No longer, I think. Even after the coronavirus has – eventually – burned out, we can never – we should never – take infectious disease so casually ever again.

    Its like finding a cure for cancer or a way to world peace … dream on. The world you’re describing is one not worth living in.

    Until they find a cure for death, Gaia is going to find a way for new strains of virus to mutate (evolve?) to get you. The way some of the doom porn runs nowadays, it won’t be long before they say one superspreader breathing in China can infect the entire atmosphere.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  16. We’re finally getting a decrease in legal and illegal immigration. Covid is doing more to preserve our heritage than anything else.

  17. The difference between COVID-19 or the common cold abd the flu is one where a carrier shows no symptons of the virus for a period of time. To overcome this we need testing, a vaccine may be a bonus yet none exist for the common cold. The further, and perhaps crutial, question is how long does a carrier retain the ability to spread the virus? It would seem medical opinion and science tells us this is limited although studies are now finding that people are shedding more virus during early stages of the disease rather than the later stages. In fact the viral load was “highest during the first week after symptom onset and subsequently declined with time”.

    Yet the Swedish public health authority has surveyed the prevalence of antibodies to the SARS-COV-2 virus in Stockholm County. How can it be true that herd immunity has been reached in Stockholm County with only about 17% of the population having been infected, while an R0 of 2.0 is normally taken to imply a herd immunity of 50%?

    A recent paper (Gomes et al) provides the answer. It shows that variation between individuals in their susceptibility to infection and their propensity to infect others can cause herd immunity to be much lower than it is in a homogeneous population. There is also strong evidence that a small proportion of individuals account for most infections – the ‘superspreaders’. A Shenzhen-based study estimated that 8.9% of cases were responsible for 80% of total infections. Therefor contact tracing is a must to determine an original source.

    The main way the disease spreads is through respiratory droplets expelled by someone who is coughing. The risk of catching COVID-19 from someone asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic is very low. Thus the spread is time and distance sensitive. The infectious period is estimated as 4 (=7 − 3) days. To note: most infections are not apparent during infection.

    Conclusions from the study below: The number of fatalities involved in achieving herd immunity with SARS-COV-2 is much lower than it would otherwise be. The fatality rate to reach herd immunity in less densely populated areas should be lower, because R0 is positively related to population density. As the epidemic shrinks it should be increasingly practicable to hasten its end by using testing and contact tracing to prevent infections spreading,

    https://judithcurry.com/2020/05/10/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/#more-26133

  18. refl says:
    @BuelahMan

    Sometimes I think I’m one of the few that disbelieves virtually EVERYTHING from these official sources.

    You are not, but this site has become quite peculiar with Corona.

    From Ron Unz’s own articles as from many others here you can learn a lot about perception management – and then this articles seriously asks, where the panic comes from?
    I do not know, If “hoax” ist the right term for what is going in. It has become to big for that. Obviously, western society has become so weak that a most foolish narrative can cause it to selfdestruct.

    Once, this thing will be over, but the experience that our self image as liberal and free societies is pointless is here to stay.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @R2b
  19. During the early days, caution was wise. Now it appears the caution was over-egged and has become a psy-op for every two bit tyrant. The Decameron describes the plague as white tennis ball lumps that appeared at the neck and groin, followed by a patchwork of dark bruises, and in 4 days, death. This disease is not that. One of the reactions was to drop everything and flee. Another to drink and fornicate oneself into oblivion. Bodies were thrown into the ditch, like dogs. This disease is not that. Pigs were seen to snuffle at the clothes of the diseased, and fall over dead in a few hours, screaming like pigs. This disease is not that.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @Porphyry
  20. Herald says:
    @TG

    There’ll be a lockdown lifting rushed and hardly tested vaccine before too long, that’s what this whole fear mongering exercise is about.

    Heaps of organisations are now spending government money to fast tack a liability free COVID-19 vaccine, which they can then sell to the government. Behind the dodgy product that wins this race you will surely find the controlling hand of Bill Gates, philanthropist, eugenicist and long time advocate of population reduction.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  21. What a load of uninformed nonsense.

    Covid-1984 is just an influenza strain, a non-lethal virus for the overwhelming majority.

    When you’re around 80, fat, diabetic, or when you have cancer, respiratory or heart problems, in that case this virus may kill you. Just like the seasonal flu. So why the fuss?

    It’s all about the permanent State of Siege a small group of ruthless crooks want to impose on all of us, so as to perpetuate the US Empire.

    It seems Donald Rumsfeld has something to do with it, at least Thierry Meyssan argues convincingly: https://www.voltairenet.org/article209808.html

  22. onebornfree says: • Website

    Lockdown the entire government NOW, plus all of the non-government halfwit “do-gooders” who want everybody else locked down. Let ’em all “stew in their own juice” together in their own little mutual love fest. Phuckem all.

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Why Government Doesn’t Work”
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    “Regards, onebornfree

  23. Adûnâi says:

    Does anybody know the name of this abominable painting style in this article? Used by Googel and Microzoft. Depicts human silhouettes in a style in its primitivity similar to the 7th century imago hominis (I recalled seeing it in Kenneth Clark’s Civilization (similar to The Ascent of Man, btw)). But these days, the Christians add women and Negrofaggots there.

    • Replies: @Porphyry
  24. dearieme says:
    @TG

    So yes, it’s creating social and economic havoc well out of proportion to the real death toll

    Agreed.

    I don’t have a better solution either.

    The source of many of our difficulties is perhaps the use of broad-brush policy that was not based on intelligent, analytical thought. How to ameliorate the position we now find ourselves in is quite a problem.

    There’s often wisdom in the old Irish joke: if I were trying to get there I wouldn’t start from here.

  25. Adûnâi says:
    @Tom

    > “…they rigged “Weapons of Mass Destruction”, …”

    Are you referring to Iraq? Or do you mean nuclear weapons are not real? You never know with the schizos.

    http://heiwaco.tripod.com/bomb1.htm

    We are also living inside the Earth! Earthquakes are meteor hits from the outside! Wake up, sheeple!

    http://www.falsehood.me/

  26. Michael J says:

    The death toll is not climbing because the way it is calculated is extremely dishonest and deliberately misleading.

    The average age of death from Covid-19 is 80 years old. And a third of the supposed death toll comprises elderly in aged care centres. Almost all Covid-19 deceased already had other preexisting medical conditions such as cancer, cardiovascular disease and pnemonia. In other words, a bunch of old people are dying in very unsurprising and predictable ways.

    Then you also have instances of younger people dying of other causes being classified as Covid deaths without any sort of medical tests as per the CDC’s own guidlines that make a doctor’s mere opinion conclusive evidence of a covid death.

    This entire thing is a massive media-engineered hoax. I seriously doubt the Covid-19 strain of the Corona virus actually exists, because the only existence it has right now is in the MSM and manipulated medical statistics.

  27. onebornfree says: • Website

    The Plandemic Face Mask Scam:

    “Dr. Russell Blaylock has written a comprehensive fact-filled article on face masks, describing the research showing that the use of masks in many patients can easily:
    1] cause hypoxia in some patients;
    2] cause hypercapnia in those same patients;
    3] impair one’s immunity; harmful respiratory viruses (and bacteria as well – good ones and bad ones) when exhaling (thus forcing the viruses – and the bacteria – to be rebreathed again and again instead of being excreted from the body’s respiratory system); and

    5] increase the concentration of potentially-harmful viruses in the nasal passages which could then increase the likelihood of those viruses entering the brain via the olfactory nerves.

    Read the excerpts from the Blaylock article below about mask-wearing and ask yourself: “why haven’t the many scientists, “bought” CDC and DOH bureaucrats, “bought” politicians, journalists, etc think about the downsides of requiring, under penalty of law, the wearing of masks by perfectly healthy, uninfected, asymptomatic people – especially those that are living in areas of the country where the risk of coming in contact with a case of COVID-19 is 1 in 10,000!……”:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/gary-g-kohls/the-plandemic-facial-mask-issue/

    Also:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Agent76, SolontoCroesus
  28. Well, reopening is happening. Let’s see how it works out. If infection goes up, people start dying in numbers again.

    We will all know who to credit or blame.

    Let’s see who is wrong or right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. Tom Welsh says:

    “Though largely forgotten, in 1968, the H3N2 (its technical name) pandemic killed 100,000 Americans (plus a million more worldwide), a figure that exceeds the death toll of both the Vietnam and Korean Wars”.

    For Americans, that is. The Korean and Vietnam wars each killed well over 3 million Asians – maybe very many more – as well as destroying every built structure in North Korea and poisoning Vietnam with Agent Orange and other chemical poisons.

  30. Tom Welsh says:

    “Escaping AIDs merely entails avoiding dangerous homosexual sex and shooting up drugs, behaviors that nearly Americans readily avoid”.

    And blood transfusions, which gave both Isaac Asimov and Arthur Ashe AIDS, killing them.

    A blood transfusion is not easy to avoid, as it may become essential at any moment – if you get hit by a car, for instance, or (like Asimov) need open heart surgery.

  31. theMann says:
    @Alden

    I would have just agreed, but the button isn’t working.

    I want to say that insanity is the right term, but I am not sure if that is absolutely accurate. Three points, all related.

    1. We now know that the bulk of people in this society are truly low grade cowards. How many people are literally hiding under their beds, wetting their pants, over a low grade flu variant virus? And along the way, still believing EVERY SINGLE LIE the media tells them, when we have had a lifetime to learn better.

    2. I am shocked, just shocked, to learn that old people get sick and die. They would die a lot later if nursing home care in our country wasn’t an absolute disgrace on every level.

    3. We have serious, serious problems going forward as a nation. You know, threaten the existence of our Civilization level problems. Not to be a pessimist, but a collection of hysterical, low grade cowards, aren’t going to deal with those problems, are they?

  32. Tom Welsh says:
    @Brás Cubas

    It might depend on what you mean by “infected”. So often in life, things get complicated the closer you get to the actual facts.

    There used to be a picture of infection that assumed a person to be a more or less sterile zone protected from the outside world by skin, mucus, etc. In those days “infection” meant that some nasty virus or bacterium had “broken through” and got into the body.

    Today it is understood that our bodies contain several pounds of bacteria, viruses, fungi and other microbes – without some of which we would die. Everything in the world is crawling with viruses – even seawater contains as many as 100 billion viruses per liter. An average healthy person may have dozens of virus species in his/her lungs without suffering any harm.

    Thus maintaining health is now understood to involve, not keeping all “nasty germs” out of the body, but keeping a balance between them and us. One expert has described the immune system’s work as like playing table tennis with the microbes in and on our bodies.

    So is a person infected if they have a few billion Covid-19 viruses in their body? Not really, because they are unlikely to get sick or to pass on the virus. There is a continuous spectrum, and “infected” is a vague and ill-defined term.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Brás Cubas
  33. Bas says:

    Hunt for a vaccine. The followed script, up to now, Started with fear unlimited. Worldwide lock media stepped. Face two, now, is hope. Three will be the second wave. Resulting in all hope lost. Four will be a announcement hosanna style. Vaccine found and ready. People will line up to get that shot. This predictions are a free translation, of a men talking to much, about your future, becoming a modern serf.

  34. Realist says:
    @BuelahMan

    Sometimes I think I’m one of the few that disbelieves virtually EVERYTHING from these official sources.

    I also disbelieve everything the government says…that is thanks to the decade after decade of lies about everything. This country is totally corrupt…it will not be uncorrupted through electoral means. The 99% are just a support group to provide wealth and power to the 1%. The two biggest infections in this country are avarice and insouciance.

    The Deep State does not care what the American people want. They know that most American people are inane fools and will believe anything. Most Americans would rather watch America’s Got Talent, or Dancing With The Stars than be informed about important issues.

    The two party system is a charade…a farce. And as long as a majority of the American public believes in it…the US is doomed. The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin…the Deep State coin.

  35. joe2.5 says:
    @Brás Cubas

    “So the science so far indicates you are right. But I don’t know of any biological explanation for this, so the explanation might be non-biological as I guessed.”

    Parsing this sentence shows that 1) the reason a certain event is probably “as you guessed” is because you haven’t heard of its opposite, said in the same breath started by 2) an admission that you don’t closely follow specialized literature.

    So, to complete the logical analysis, 1, above, can only happen if you so closely know things that guessing wrong would be unlikely — absolutely contradicting 2.

    May I use this textbook example of a concisely self-contradicting statement (with proper attribution, of course)?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  36. Hard to fathom why Orange went along with #coronahoax. Fauci was exposed as a hillary-loving stooge months ago yet is still there.

    • Replies: @Rich
  37. joe2.5 says:

    Hans Vogel

    When you’re around 80, fat, diabetic, or when you have cancer, respiratory or heart problems, in that case this virus may kill you. Just like the seasonal flu. So why the fuss?

    He wrote the whole article to explain just that “why”, and did it with great clarity. To answer your question, one would suggest you read the article, above.

  38. @Russ

    So what the hell was learned between 8 March and 3 April, Dr. Fauci?

    Daily Stormer had one of the best compilations on the mask propaganda reversal. Damning. One supercilious ass after another publishing obvious lies. But the honest and sane of society are banned from the common communication channels.

    • Replies: @Joey Pastrami
  39. Realist says:
    @VSS

    This value is comparable to the common flu.

    Agreed it sure appears this virus is hyped. Since it appears that almost every death is being attributed to Covid-19, it would be interesting to see what the flu statistics have done over the last three months compared to the last few years.

  40. Emslander says:
    @Huskynut

    Interesting that you are now willing to blame the cattleman for your fears. I raised cattle for the market. I looked into the Antibiotic Craze and, of course, discovered that the trace amount of antibiotic in formula cattle feed was never the same type as that used by humans. Formula cattle feed is a small percentage of the feed consumed. Cattle are raised on pasture, alfalfa and dry hay in the winter. The bags of feed with trace antibiotics like terramycin are like sugar on the cereal. Anyway, now the government bans it as a result of know-nothing snowflake girlies, so pick somebody else out to attack for your fears.

    Antibiotics aren’t antivirals, either.

  41. 450.org says:

    I look at it as a warmup for the REAL pandemic to come, not that this isn’t real enough, but, as the adage goes, “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”

    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170504-there-are-diseases-hidden-in-ice-and-they-are-waking-up

    As the Earth warms, more permafrost will melt. Under normal circumstances, superficial permafrost layers about 50cm deep melt every summer. But now global warming is gradually exposing older permafrost layers.
    Frozen permafrost soil is the perfect place for bacteria to remain alive for very long periods of time, perhaps as long as a million years. That means melting ice could potentially open a Pandora’s box of diseases.

    The temperature in the Arctic Circle is rising quickly, about three times faster than in the rest of the world. As the ice and permafrost melt, other infectious agents may be released.

    “Permafrost is a very good preserver of microbes and viruses, because it is cold, there is no oxygen, and it is dark,” says evolutionary biologist Jean-Michel Claverie at Aix-Marseille University in France. “Pathogenic viruses that can infect humans or animals might be preserved in old permafrost layers, including some that have caused global epidemics in the past.”

    View post on imgur.com

    • Troll: the grand wazoo
  42. @powderburns

    This disease is not that.

    This disease is not that.

    This disease is not that.

    Got it.

  43. Emslander says:
    @refl

    This article once again uses the 1% mortality rate that Ron Unz established as his bottom line more than a month ago. The actual mortality rate, the rate of death per exposed person, has already dropped far below 1%. It will get much lower as all the numbers get known.

    • Agree: Alfred
  44. “Moreover, many infected display no symptoms or recover at home so they are statistically invisible so the true infection rate of 40.4 per 100,000 is likely too high.”

    Say what?

    Shouldn’t that be “. . . . too low.”?

    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
    , @anonymous
  45. 450.org says:

    Once again, it must be asked, what lockdown? America has never had a true, real lockdown, just the semblance of one. China in Wuhan and Hubei Province had a true, real lockdown. America, like its Potemkin Economy, has had a Potemkin Lockdown. This virus has done an excellent job of knocking down America’s Potemkin Facade. America, like Trump, is not much more than corpulence and hot air.

    View post on imgur.com

    Fauci’s a bastard but he’s correct that there will be a second wave of this and it will be many times more devastating than the first wave. The second wave will polish America off for good. At that point, as if they already haven’t, China and Russia and Israel will walk right in and buy the deflated assets on the cheap just as was done when the Soviet Union collapsed. At that point, America will no longer be occupied by Wall Street but instead by the global wealthy elite directly. America was already half way there before this pandemic. The pandemic will seal the deal.

    • Disagree: Alden
    • LOL: Wally
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @TheTrumanShow
  46. The Cabalist dogma of “Creative Destruction”
    explains why humanity seems cursed by never-ending catastrophes like the current coronavirus hoax.
    They are engineered by the Illuminati to
    attack and destroy anything that smacks of the healthy divine order — spiritual or natural. They must destroy the old order before they can install their satanist tyranny. – Henry Makow

    https://www.henrymakow.com/the_destuctive_principle_of_th.html

  47. 450.org says:

    Kudos to the owners, managers and employees at Braskem in Pennsylvania. They prevented Trump from usurping their magnanimous behavior during this epidemic despite Donald Trump’s working against them every step of the way. It’s their success not his and despite his handcuffing them and everyone trying to make a positive contribution in fighting this pandemic. This was a big middle finger to Trump. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Braskem. They smacked the turd blossom Brad Parscale in the face. Something I’d like to do but I prefer not to go to jail and get raped by his skinhead pals.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-visit-to-pennsylvania-factory-that-produces-ppe-materials-was-scuttled-after-plant-officials-expressed-concerns-about-health-risks/2020/05/11/10aa97ec-917a-11ea-9e23-6914ee410a5f_story.html

    President Trump was pushing to get out in the public eye in recent weeks and tout his leadership during the pandemic, and White House staff thought they had hit on the ideal event: a presidential visit to thank the Pennsylvania factory workers who had recently taken herculean steps to ramp up U.S. supplies of protective equipment.

    Workers had received national attention after dozens of them lived for 28 days inside their factory so they could ensure they were virus-free and their production was not contaminated or disrupted by illness.

    White House officials pressed to hold an event at the Braskem factory, initially scheduled for last Friday. But after extensive back and forth, factory officials ultimately asked to postpone, worried that a visit from Trump could jeopardize both the safety of the workers and the plant’s ability to produce special material for masks and other medical gear, according to two people familiar with the decision and documents reviewed by The Post.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Wally
  48. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @TG

    Suppose the tests have, not 50%, but something like 80% false positive results. The antigens have been known all along to fit just about any respiratory symptom of infection—or in other words the tests are intentionally unfalsifiable given the patient has some respiratory condition, so what they’re doing is measuring the noise and calling it a fit with a predetermined result. Since these tests produce the worst possible result, they can’t possibly serve as the basis for declaring a pandemic. Of course, but the fear porn is nonstop from jokers like TG. Just yesterday Fauci laughably referred to himself as a scientist when his record going back decades has been the gross errors of his predictions and hence his worthlessness as a scientist and danger to anyone who listens to him.

    If you haven’t seen it, I recommend the interview with Dr. Andrew Kaufman at Activist Post for a good exposé of the pseudo-science and globalist agenda.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2020/05/dr-andrew-kaufman-they-want-to-genetically-modify-us-with-the-covid-19-vaccine.html

  49. Redman says:
    @JosephB

    I would also say the fatalities should be adjusted by different age cohorts. Our population is far older today than in 1968, so the overall comp for mortality would need to be adjusted further upward for CB19 to be an accurate comparison.

  50. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @450.org

    And it may not be a virus in any case, but an aerosol toxin dispersed from tanker aircraft that causes geographical hot spots that can be selectively shut down for political purposes. The finale, or complete overwhelm, may also come in the form of two or more manufactured catastrophes cascading on top of one another such that elected governments are overrun as if by a tsunami and submit on their knees before the globalist cabal we associate with Gates and the likes of Fauci, which is already nearly the case with this situation.

    Whatever the next manufactured crisis happens to be, it will be primarily medical, and because vaccinations are basically worthless fighting viruses of any sort in any case, the program will require annual IGT revaccination to ensure the replacement snippets of DNA introduced via electroporation are not rejected and that the backup chemical adjuvants also known to cause docility and sterility do not simply wear off over time. The elites won’t be getting key functional elements of their DNA replaced, nor will they and their children be dosed with toxic adjuvants riding in on worthless vaccines, in case anyone’s wondering how that will work.

    There’s also been a lot of recent stuff on TV and the Internet about massive food shortages from this crisis that makes more sense as the spread of seeded predictive programming preparing us for a near-total interruption of the food supply chain by introducing real livestock and crop pandemics that decimate the supply of meat and grains. Overall, we are also being set up economically for a reduction in our standard of living by at least half unless massive resistance overcomes the MSM and social media blackout.

  51. Porphyry says:
    @powderburns

    The idea of pigs dying when they touch the dead is very interesting because it could be a lie in imitation or Thucydides’ claims about the Plague of Athens’ effects on scavengers (birds disappearing, dying). Today we “know” that diseases which effect humans are never 1 to 1 equivalents in animals, but Thucydides is elsewhere reliable, and that sort of claim about disease was not uncommon in antiquity and the middle ages. One wonders whether it was a real phenomenon which we have not observed in modern times, indicative of a very different type of disease than those we are aware of. Its not germane to the current situation, but it is well worth thinking about.

  52. Porphyry says:
    @Adûnâi

    It’s a variant of Alegria style, often called flat design. Absolutely abominable stuff, and just as indicative of civilizational collapse as early Christian “art” was. But wait till you hear the rationale behind it:

    “In a case study on her website, Herrera writes that the characters are “designed for expression, rather than individual identity. They are ethnically non-specific to represent diversity.” Orange or purple skin fits in naturally to the cartoon-y style of Alegria; if characters are depicted without reference to race, anyone can see themselves reflected in the characters. This logic also influences the characters’ idiosyncratic body shapes as much as technical considerations do. How do you avoid privileging certain people’s body types over others’ in your illustrations? Give your characters a body type that no one has.”

    Source:
    https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/dont-worry-these-gangley-armed-cartoons-are-here-to-protect-you-from-big-tech/

  53. @BuelahMan

    You’re not the only one, of course.

    But we’re many fewer than those who indulge in fear porn. They have moralism and hysterics on their side, and those will always win. Bravery is usually in shorter supply than cowardice.

    Given this thing’s momentum now, it probably won’t exhaust itself as a phenomenon for a few years, barring a major collapse or upset elsewhere. The “new normal” they have done so much to meme into reality is certainly upon us.

    Authors like this uh Weissberg chap, are probably more insidious in that they couch their fear-mongering in moderate terms – of course we’ve overestimated this, they say; but let’s be careful anyhow. And that “careful” is some ongoing curtailment of whatever freedom you had left, naturally.

    Imagine looking once at that 79 year old guido gnome Fauci, nevermind his volte-faces and sweeping prescriptions for not shaking hands but using Tinder, or at that pasty robot Ferguson with all of his notorious epidemiological potshots, and not instinctively mistrusting them: one can hardly escape the conclusion that it was verkochte either from the start or very early on. Does it make a difference either way?

    For it really is too late; as Nietzsche liked to say, this event has robbed existence of its innocence. Now the mundane actions of your daily life six months ago have taken on the golden hue of childhood memories. Ah, remember standing in line for that gelato?

    It takes a special breed of sinister to pull this off. Anyone who agrees with this phenomenon, to any extent, is suspect – they support nothing less than your ongoing imprisonment and surveillance, from whatever motives they harbor.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  54. Delta G says:

    The problem with all articles about the Covid 19 associated virus, also know a Sars-2 Cov-19, is that there really is no medical proof the virus causes a disease. Certainly there are people who are sick who test positive for this viral RNA but is it the disease agent? There are many many many many more people who test positive for the viral RNA and even antibodies to the virus who have no symptoms and were never ill.

    Seems to me that the self induced destruction, hatred of anyone who does not believe identically to yourself and all the other happy horseshit that is currently going on in Western Psuedo-Civilization may really be a psychological disorder generated by eating the garbage fed to large numbers of people via the mass media and politicians. There is more of a correlation between this Bad Diet and Psychosis than there is between Sars-2 Cov-19 and pneumonia.

    Hey, but it is fun to watch the continued Circus with Masks and Gloves and Social Distancing and Self Emulation without the fire of course, because pansies don’t really do anything that’s dangerous.

    • Replies: @Alden
  55. Rich says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    It was his only play. The dems assumed he’d never shut down the economy, so they could blame him for every death come the fall election. Can you imagine the commercials? People mourning their dead, and blaming Trump? He’d have lost in a landslide. By going along with them, and now leaving it up to the governors, the leftists take the heat, whatever they do. NY and NJ, with two dems, they don’t know what to do. Corona may have killed off their economies for years to come. Meanwhile the repub states are opening up and people are working. Who takes the blame in Michigan? I’d say the dem governor and Trump takes the state.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  56. Wally says:
    @450.org

    – Your TDS must be raging right about now, just a hint of what’s to come:

    Trump Celebrates ‘Two Great Congressional WINS’ in Wisconsin and California
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/13/donald-trump-celebrates-two-great-congressional-wins-in-wisconsin-and-california/
    White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany Launches Beatdown by Listing Wrong Coronavirus Predictions from Unhinged MSM Leftists: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/06/kayleigh-mcenany-launches-establishment-media-beatdown-by-listing-wrong-coronavirus-predictions/

    When Trump wins 2020, oh my, we’ll be sure to rub it in.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  57. Alfred says:
    @Tom Welsh

    “infected” is a vague and ill-defined term.

    Fully agree.

    Have you noticed how the media seems to never propose ways to upgrade your immune system. No mention of sunshine, fresh air, good food, vitamins, supplements and so on. The only thing they mention is exercise in a small space.

    This whole thing is such an obvious manipulation and every effort is being made to ensure that as many people as possible fall ill – mostly from things other than Covid-19.

    People are just so stupid. I see people walking in a park in the sunshine covered from head to toe in winter clothing, cap, mask and surgical gloves. It is especially bad with supposedly intelligent educated young people. Beggars, street people and labourers seem to ignore all of this nonsense.

    The photo shows artists in Kiev dressing up statues of kids in PPE. It is in the local English language newspaper. Unbelievable. Such propaganda.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  58. Agent76 says:

    APRIL 20, 2020 Petitions ask Gov. Newsom to block 5G expansion in California schools, cities

    Wireless companies like Verizon and AT&T have already rolled out 5G for consumers and business customers. T-Mobile and Sprint’s merger was approved Thursday in California on the condition that the new company provide 5G wireless services that can compete with AT&T and Verizon.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article241927146.html

    Feb 15, 2020 The 5G Trojan Horse (Documentary)

    Researched, written, and narrated by Derrick Broze

  59. @John Hagan

    It would seem medical opinion and science tells us this is limited although studies are now finding that people are shedding more virus during early stages of the disease rather than the later stages. In fact the viral load was “highest during the first week after symptom onset and subsequently declined with time”.

    I heard a physician on Brazilian TV saying that is due to the virus first infecting the upper respiratory tract, from where it can be spread through coughing and sneezing, and, in a lesser scale, talking and breathing; in a later stage the virus has moved to the lungs, from where it cannot be spread that easily.

    I have no idea whether this is true or not, because I have no scientific background, but it seems plausible enough.

    • Replies: @sophia
  60. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Moreover, many infected display no symptoms or recover at home so they are statistically invisible so the true infection rate of 40.4 per 100,000 is likely too high.

    First, how can a “true infection rate” or true anything else be “too high,” i.e., untrue?

    Second, do you not mean that the true infection rate is likely much higher than 40.4 per 100,ooo? — At least one in five in New York City according to serological survey results of several weeks ago.

  61. @Tom Welsh

    I don’t dispute any medical information on your comment, but I understand that ‘asymptomatic infection’ is a commonly used expression, which makes your assertions about the word ‘infection’ wrong. This is strictly a semantical issue, as I see it, and I try to follow the common usage of that word.

  62. @joe2.5

    the reason a certain event is probably “as you guessed”

    I never said ‘probably’. I said ‘possibly’, which is implied by the word ‘might’ in the following phrase:

    so the explanation might be non-biological

    and which is a much weaker assertion and thus not dependent on an assumption of expertise on my part.

  63. The h1n1 vaccine and or seasonal flu vaccine is killing the old and infirmed.

    Another phase of op is to infect our genome with more shit we won’t easily repell, in the name of greater good.

    The coup de gras will be the miracle vaccine to cure the covidaidssars.

    Blood mixing is never good, be wary goyimz, be very wary.

  64. @Michael J

    By your retarded logic, AIDS doesn’t kill either.

    So many fucking stupid retards.

  65. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    That’s where I stopped reading.

  66. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The mortality rate, the bottom line in assessing risk, is exceedingly complex and, varies as new data are uncovered and past figures are re-calculated. The overall rate is estimated to be 5.84%, but this is highly age-related, varies enormously by state (from 1282.2 per million in New York vs. 12.1 per million in Wyoming) and depends on other health factors such obesity and heart illness

    Estimated by who?

    Only by idiots.

    The author is citing mortality as a function of the number of infected individuals who have come to the attention of a doctor as the result of severe illness or death from the virus. But the author has already cited evidence published in America’s top science journal, Science, that infections estimated by serological testing are many times more numerous than cases of infection brought to a doctor’s attention.

    As I have explained on another thread for the benefit of Mr. Unz:

    To obtain a valid estimate of the infection rate it [is] necessary to conduct a population survey for covid-19 antibodies. That is reported to have been done for only one large population, that of New York City. There, as of several weeks ago, 20% were shown to have been infected. Given the deaths in NY City attributed to Covid19 [at that time], the survey data indicate an IFR of 0.35%.

    But if in NY City, as reported by the Public Health Agency of Canada to be the case in Canada, 79% of Covid-19 deaths are of elderly care home residents, it would mean the infection fatality rate for non-care-home residents in N.Y City is around 0.07%.

    However, we know from various published studies that death certificates are often, and indeed usually, incorrect in the designation of cause of death. Thus the NY City IFR could be above 0.35, or more likely lower (on the assumption that during a epidemic, doctors will tend to ascribe to the epidemic agent whatever looks like a death due to that agent even though deaths due to many other causes may look pretty much the same).

    It should be noted further, that the NY City IFR is probably higher, perhaps much higher, than the national rate, due to poor air, a large population of relatively poor recent immigrants, and a State-mandated policy requiring care homes for the elderly to admit or readmit people infected with Covid-19, a policy that amounts to a death sentence for many care home residents to whom the infection is likely to be passed.

    By it’s absurd and incompetent fear mongering in multiple articles, the Unz Review stands discredited as a serious alternative to the lying MSM.

    • Agree: Alden
  67. Emslander says:
    @Alfred

    Have you noticed how the media seems to never propose ways to upgrade your immune system. No mention of sunshine, fresh air, good food, vitamins, supplements and so on. The only thing they mention is exercise in a small space.
    This whole thing is such an obvious manipulation and every effort is being made to ensure that as many people as possible fall ill – mostly from things other than Covid-19.

    This is looking more and more like an epidemic of mental illness. One government doctor says we can’t open schools and the snowflake world sighs in relief. A restaurant opens and violates social distancing. Everyone is overjoyed. The local police issue a warning citation to the owner that, if it happens again, he will go to jail.

    I call it insanity, but then I’m sane.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  68. gay troll says:
    @Wally

    Who isn’t looking forward to four more years of notorious real estate grifter, failed casino magnate, WWF promoter and NBC television star as president of the United States? WWG1WGA! MIGA!

    • Replies: @Alden
  69. @The Alarmist

    What a bunch of meaningless shit.

  70. @Brás Cubas

    The reason why COVID-19 appears to have more “success” in infecting older people seriously is due to the degraded immune systems.

    As we age, our immune systems tend to degrade with us subsequently requiring quality supplements and healthy diets to re-strengthen them.

    However, most older people do not follow healthy lifestyle regimens and as such do not eat the necessary foodstuffs or take the necessary supplements to ensure that their immune systems are operating at maximum possible efficiency.

    The result is that elderly people are always far more susceptible to infections and disease than younger people.

    The oddity here is the virus having such a low infection rate with very young children whose immune systems have yet to become fully formed…

  71. Coronavirus is a scam that the zionists are using to destroy what little freedom we have left and to bring in a satanict zionist one world government.

    • Agree: Alden
  72. @Steve Naidamast

    “Degraded” is not the same as “developing”. Another example would be a newborn’s bones, which are more numerous (fusing later) and softer to allow for growth – while an old person’s may simply be brittle with degraded cartilage. So no, not a mystery.

  73. Tell me again how Democrats care so much for our elderly and infirmed! That is certainly not the case for New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham and the Democrat party that runs New Mexico.

    Cashing in on the COVID Crisis: Scores of nursing home patients evicted in New Mexico
    https://www.krqe.com/news/larry-barker/cashing-in-on-the-covid-crisis-scores-of-nursing-home-patients-evicted/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KRQE_News_13

  74. @Joey Pastrami

    Link, please?

    I know, I should have included. Have trouble finding old DS articles on phone. Will try again and link if find.

  75. Alfred says:

    The oddity here is the virus having such a low infection rate with very young children whose immune systems have yet to become fully formed…

    Some diseases, like smallpox, are devastating to adults but do not harm children. Before vaccines, in the Middle East, they blew smallpox into the nostrils of small kids so that they gain immunity.

    Lady Mary Wortley Montagu – Smallpox Innoculation

  76. Agent76 says:

    May 13, 2020 China’s Coronavirus Diplomacy Backfires

    China wants you to know that China is saving the world from the coronavirus pandemic. You didn’t know? That’s why they’re now forcing countries to praise China. Yes, that will work well and definitely not backfire…

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  77. Alden says:

    For those of you who believe the latest media hoax, be sure to watch the CNN Townhall special Thursday night May 14. Check local time.

    The hoax show will feature not yet graduated from high school climate expert Greta Thurnberg . She is now a media proclaimed expert on Covid19, aka normal flu.

    • LOL: Alfred
  78. Alden says:
    @gay troll

    Why do people think the president of the USA is supposed to be some sort of messiah that will make everything better?

    The judiciary, not the executive branch rules the country and has since the precedent was established in 1804,Marbury vs Madison.

    The state county and city government and agencies are autonomous and do what they do.

    All the quarantine lockdown and other orders the country is operating under come from governors, mayors county supervisors sheriff and police chiefs state and county public health departments and numerous state county and city officials, not the President.

    Hate Trump all you want for whatever reason. If you checked who issued the orders and did or did not do what you deem appropriate you will find it was a state county or city official.

    Too much MSNBC CNN ABC NBC etc watching.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  79. Alden says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    It’s obvious you have no medical training whatsoever, not even anatomy & physiology 101 or basic Boy Scout First Aid.

    And what makes you think old people don’t follow healthy lifestyle regimens and eat the wrong food? What’s your idea of the right food? vegan? Macrobiotic? Or some other old hippy crap you found on the internet?

    I always thought Stanford and it’s grads highly overrated. Reading UNZ the last 3 months confirms it.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  80. @John Hagan

    “Two more weeks bruh”
    “Lot of people gonna die in a little while. Trust me dude.”
    “Why do you hate old people?”

  81. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Emslander

    This is looking more and more like an epidemic of mental illness.

    What is being done to the mass of ordinary folks might well be expected to cause an epidemic of insanity. But the politicians and the media enablers, mainstream or “alt”, who are destroying the livelihood of tens of millions, are surely not insane.

    The question is, what’s the objective? And the answer to that question must be something that can be inferred from the consequences. So what are the consequences:

    (1) The sharpest rate of job losses every recorded, leading to Great Depression levels of unemployment.

    (2) Consequent upon (1) massive loss of income for the salaried workforce, business owners, and beneficiaries of pension funds etc., (the last having sustained large and soon to be larger investment losses).

    (3) Consequent upon (2) massive reductions in consumption spending.

    (4) Consequent upon (3) big cuts in imports to the West of products of cheap Third World labor.

    (1) Means real wages will fall, thereby raising potential economic competitiveness of manufacturing in the US and other Western nations, i.e., reindustrialization of the West in a new East-West cold war.

    (2) Means many small businesses will fold, opening the way for expansion by the big boys: Starbucks, Dominoes Pizza, Amazon, etc.

    (3) Means fewer goddam plebs cluttering the best beaches, ski resorts, tourist meccas.

    (4) Means a slowing of China’s economic growth and reduced Chinese access to dollars with which to buy American and European technology and businesses, from GE Appliances to Motorola Mobility, and from the Chicago Stock Exchange to the Waldorf Astoria.

    As for those few the virus kills, they’re just old geezers, useless eaters, wasn’t that what Adolf (so much admired here at Unz.com) called them?

    So, nothing crazy about this fake plague. And what’s not to like about it?

    The situation is much like that during the Great War that led to the still ongoing destruction of Europe. Then, British Prime Minister, David Lloyd George remarked:

    If the people knew what was happening, this war would end tomorrow. But of course the people cannot know what is happening.

    They cannot know, of course, thanks to the MSM and its “alt” auxiliaries.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  82. gay troll says:
    @Alden

    I don’t watch any of that shit, smart boy, I know everything on television is meant to deceive, and Trump has been followed by television cameras since day one of his career! I said nothing about the president being a Messiah, in fact that is what the Trump supporters believe! I also said nothing about his pandemic response! The fact is that Trump is a leftist working for Zionist supremacists just like every other President since Kennedy and all this controlled opposition makes me sick. If not for NBC rehabilitating his image via The Apprentice, Donald Trump would have been laughed out of the limelight decades ago.

    • Agree: Gast
    • Replies: @Wally
  83. JasonT says:

    The financial elite are engaged in completing control over at least the western world. To do this, they have instructed their lackeys in the governments to overinflate predictions of deaths and actual deaths due to the virus, and they have instructed their lackeys in the media to hype the fear porn to frighten people into submission. It has worked and will continue to work, even more so when the next planned virus hits in November.

    Your article does not help by saying that “the carnage is real”. It is no more real than the ‘carnage’ due to any other cause of death, yet we have not locked down entire populations for those, nor should we. Nor do you help with the obviously ludicrous accusation that Trump recommends “drinking Clorox”. I saw Trump make those comments and he was clearly joking, albeit a sick one and a bad one, but a joke nevertheless and it is dishonest to intimate otherwise.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  84. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Alden

    I always thought Stanford and it’s grads highly overrated. Reading UNZ the last 3 months confirms it.

    Ron Unz is a Harvard grad too. Thus a double dose of elite programming.

  85. @Steve Naidamast

    The reason why COVID-19 appears to have more “success” in infecting older people seriously is due to the degraded immune systems.

    Well, the widely spread notion until a while ago was that old people’s degraded immune system was responsible for the higher *infection fatality rate* among them. Now you’re telling me that it’s also responsible for the higher *infection rate* among them.

    I can’t dispute that claim, as I haven’t read any scientific study or even media story refuting that. On the other hand, I haven’t read any scientific study or media story backing that up either. So I think I will just leave it at that.

  86. Based on current data it was foolhardy to shut everything down. We have 100-year old evidence sunlight and fresh air kill viruses.

    Orange has no strategy beyond never taking responsibility for anything. While he trades barbs with fake news nothing’s getting done.

    #Coronahoax has brought us much closer to states seceding, a positive when the other choice is an Orwellian police state.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  87. Trying to look at the bright side here: one, more parents are home schooling at a time when public schools are as bad as they’ll ever be (and I am a former public school math teachers and home schooling mother-teacher); two, the elites (esp. Gates and Co.) are exposing themselves as never before; three, people are realizing they have got to spend wisely esp. if they are unemployed; four, the “bread and circuses” such as sports might shut down forever so folks will have to find other ways to entertain themselves–maybe learn a musical instrument or do artwork or write novels or create something?; five, more and more folks are lashing out at Hollywood hypocrites telling the “Little people” how to live as they fly their jets and live in their multi-million dollar mansions as millions are trying to survive; six, more and more folks won’t be able to afford cable TV which is mostly garbage; seven, folks are more and more realizing they have consented to giving up liberty and are trying to get it back so to speak, waking up; eight, folks are also waking up to neighbors snitching on them and thus no longer trusting in neighbors; nine, folks who can are moving away from cities into rural areas where the lockdowns are almost meaningless; ten, more and more folks are saying screw the lockdowns, let’s go to the park-beach-whatever to the point where even the cops are tired of the lockdowns! Yes, there are downsides but more and more the criminal psycho elites are losing control under the guise of getting more control. But don’t worry, psychos, I am sure you will come up with another plan within plans within plans…

  88. R2b says:
    @refl

    Yes; the weakness of western society has resulted in
    ” …..that a most foolish narrative can cause it to selfdestruct.”
    You formulate something very important there, I think.
    That proposes to me, that the propaganda seems to be the virus.
    And why is that?
    What causes propaganda, to be effective?

    • Replies: @refl
  89. Why the fear of letting things run its course? In a crisis involving banks, let a few big and large go under and if cities are in financial trouble then let them suffer for its gross management. Similarly, let a few million kick the bucket in a world full of people …

  90. Wally says:
    @gay troll

    Silly girl, you say nothing of the mentally handicapped, ‘Democratic’ / neo-Marxist Party’s Joe Biden.

    ‘Zionist’ Biden in His Own Words: ‘My Name is Joe Biden, and Everybody Knows I Love Israel’:
    https://original.antiwar.com/ramzy-baroud/2020/03/17/zionist-biden-in-his-own-words-my-name-is-joe-biden-and-everybody-knows-i-love-israel/
    also.:
    “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist,” current Democratic Presidential candidate, Joe Biden, said in April 2007, soon before he was chosen to be Barack Obama’s running mate in the 2008 elections.

    Since When Is Joe Biden a ‘Moderate’?: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/paul-gottfried/since-when-is-joe-biden-a-moderate/
    “Unfortunately, there is no indication that Biden will be practicing any kind of “moderation” if elected. For one thing, depictions of him as a moderate overlook the inconvenient fact that he is running well to the left of former president Obama, who was our most leftist chief executive up until his election in 2008”

    I’ll take Trump any day.
    You can’t get everything you want immediately after the likes of empty suit shyster Obama.

    – Obama was the first president in US history to be at war for every single day of his eight year presidency.
    – Obama approved military action in seven countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Yemen as well as special operations on a smaller scale all over the globe.
    Obama’s Horrible Record: ‘Obama on Mount Rushmore: Move Over Guys, Room for One More Con Artist’
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/12/phil-giraldi/obama-on-mount-rushmore-move-over-guys-room-for-one-more-con-artist/

    • Replies: @gay troll
  91. Alden says:
    @TG

    Do you have any idea what copper costs compared to steel and plated base metal?

    Why do you think thieves steal electrical wire from building sites and even empty homes and buildings?

  92. refl says:
    @R2b

    What causes propaganda, to be effective?

    Time ago, when I still believed in our political system, I was fascinated at the Stalinist show trials, how people who knew that they were being murdered by the political system that they had fought for kept believing until death. They had believed in it, they were sure that they had dedicated their life to the best that there was to mankind, and now they could not give up on their believe. It was everything they had.

    This is, where we are now: When you realize that the liberal, educated western society that you have always believed in is little more then a bunch of supersticious medieval morons (with apologies to the middle ages!), at first you sense a huge spiritual emptiness. Those of us who have already staken their steps beyond this belief are at least partially prepared to forsake the idea that there has been any progress towards enlightenment. People have believed in the modern state from their childhood days, they have benefitted from it to a big extend, mostly, and now they can do nothing better then follow their psychopathic leaders to the slaughter house.
    Technical progress has been there, certainly, to the point that people seriously are now trying to fight death itself. Spiritual progress has been nil, or rather even modern society has regressed. Instead of taking comfort in some reasonable attitude to life and attend their religious services respectively, people seriously listen to leaders who tell them that they have to give up on everything that makes life worthwhile until they get an injection, when everyone can count on two fingers that the vaccine will be useless at best and probably even dangerous.
    The idea that their leaders might be psychopaths does not enter their heads.

    The knowledge that modern humans are no more enlightened then any of their predecessors is of course well known to these leaders and they can bank on it. Stupidly, all us little ones have to give up on an important part of our self image. Maybe, it serves to have some decent religious education.

    • Agree: JasonT
  93. Alden says:

    The Drs offices are closed. I need a prescription refill. I called and was told the office is closed indefinitely. I’m supposed to go to My records and make a request. I don’t use Myrecords. I don’t want to.

    So I’m waiting for a zoom call from a Dr or nurse.

    I asked her what if a cut gets infected or a bladder infection strep throat and I can’t get an antibiotic via myrecords or zoom because a test is needed to prove the infection before a prescription can be sent to the pharmacy. She replied umm I will need to go to the ER for that. I have no co pay for office visits but $100 co pay for Er visits. Plus parking in that ER hospital is $20 for 15 minutes. So I’d take the convenient bus.

    I thought about the closing of Dr offices. Family practice internists are destroying their specialities by closing their offices.

    All they really do is write prescriptions and referrals. Persistent pain after a serious fall? Refer patient to an orthopedic surgeon to get an X Ray. Fungus infection? Can’t prescribe medicine must refer the patient to a dermatologist to write the prescription. Missed 2 menstrual cycles, vomiting in the AM, swollen breasts? Refer you to a gynecologist.

    Soon instead of 10 physicians walking around an office prescribing and referring it will be one physician in zoom at home. Then the phone number and zoom will disappear and it will just be myrecords with some guy in Cesspoolastan with an oooga booga land license.

    The only way to get a blood test blood pressure and temperature taken will be in emergency rooms. 2 of the 12 physicians in my practice are geriatric Drs. They spend all their time in the nursing homes with patients in their 80s and 90s. How are seriously sick 80 year olds with no computers, tablets or cell phones supposed to deal with web cams zooms myrecords sites?

    Major reason I didn’t set up a myrecords account is I knew the HIPPA confidentiality laws would make it a pain to use.

    United Health told me to sign up for an online account so I could look at the fact I don’t have a copay. Or that the cost of medicine would be $3.75 instead of $3.50 starting January I needed to pick 3 questions out of a list of 125. I picked one after the other for a couple hours. I couldn’t use any because they were already taken.

    I looked at the new website with all this new telehealth information. Everything is to be done through my records. No more dr visits. Drs or whoever are supposed to diagnosis without taking blood pressure temperature blood urine tests looking at an infected wound. The dr is supposed to accept whatever the patient types in.
    Think about babies and children. Will someone in ooga booga land mail vaccine filled syringes to parents to administer? Are parents supposed to diagnose strep throat and know the difference between a cough bronchitis and pleurisy? If I type in that my blood pressure just jumped from its normal 105-115 to 195 the device in oooga booga land is supposed to believe it?

    That telehealth website wasn’t just whipped up in the last 2 months Its obvious it’s been planned for a long time.

    White American Drs gave away their jobs a long time ago. Non White foreigners, nurse practitioners, physicians assistants and now internists family practitioners have given away their jobs to my records which will make referrals and send prescriptions to the pharmacies.

    Who needs Drs any more? Maybe robots will soon deliver babies and do surgery.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  94. Alden says:
    @Delta G

    Agree it’s a hoax. Read my post 95 about the new medical practice. Just type in whatever symptoms you think you have, no blood pressure or temperature no tests and a software program will or will not send a prescription to a pharmacy near you. Or a branch of CVS 100 miles away due to some glitch in GPS reading.

    Drs nurses X ray techs lab techs physical therapists, they’ll all be replaced by software programs the way stage coaches were replaced by railroads.

    Look at your physicians website. This software medicine has been a long long time planning.

    The reaction to the seasonal flu has been so extreme in changing the entire economy schooling shopping etc. for instance schooling. For the last 170 years compulsory government schooling has been the norm.

    Kids went to school when one third or more of each class was home with diphtheria scarlet fever rheumatic fever typhoid whooping cough bronchitis pneumonia tuberculosis measles mumps chicken pox bronchitis pleurisy strep throat mononucleosis measles mumps and chicken pox.

    Kids went to summer camp day camp swimming pools church playgrounds picnics carnivals state and county fairs memorial and Labor Day July 4th fiestas all through the polio epidemics. Some got polio some didn’t.

    In the 1820s Mr Bronte sent 4 little girls to boarding school. 2 died of TB contracted from boarding school in a year. The school wasn’t closed.

    And now all the schools are closed because of the seasonal flu? Might not open next year? Just last fall liberals Jews commies and teachers unions were proposing home schooling be outlawed because it would mean some kids be out of their reach.

    Then suddenly the schools were closed indefinitely.

    First I believed there really was a new variety of flu. That the long planned closures and turning the global economy upside down and inside out was the elites seizing on the new flu as the opportunity to impose these restrictions.

    As this goes on I believe there is no new variety of flu. The elites decided it would take too long for a bad flu season so they just made up the lie to impose their new society.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @nsa
  95. Michael J says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    And how specifically do you make that argument, not-so-astute one?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  96. @Michael J

    Retard, learn how HIV/AIDS kills. Learn how covid 19 kills. Then reread your retarded comment.

    • Replies: @Michael J
  97. Sean says:
    @Alden

    Cell phone location data analysis is supposed to show the Wuhan Institute of Virology shut down from October 7 through to October 24, however a lab accident is but one possibility and if history is any guide the likelihood is a bat virus go into one of the unfortunate wild creatures the Chinese are addicted to messing with. In happened before in China, 18 years ago, and without any lab accident.

    China is the biggest consumer for world’s most expensive coffees, which is made from beans taken from civet faeces. Civets are kept in cages in back rooms of Chinese restaurants, and thought to have passed SARS-CoV to humans, thereby causing the Sars epidemic 0f 2002- 2003 out of China. Luckily, the receptor-binding domain from a bat- civets recombination that let it infect humans was not efficient and the epidemic died out because of lack of sustained transmissibility between humans.

    The world’s most trafficked animal is the pangolin, which the Chinese are the customers for because in China it is in demand as an, ahem, male enhancer. The SARS-CoV2 virus, which is the pathogen causing COVID19 outbreak came from China, which despite all the warnings from American and other nonChinese experts had declined to stop wet markets and use of wildlife in their peculiar eating and aphrodisiac medicine. Stop me if you have heard this before.

    Pangolin Coronavirus Analysis Finds High Similarity to SARS-CoV-2
    May 08, 2020 | staff reporter

    NEW YORK – Researchers have isolated a coronavirus from Malayan pangolins that is highly similar to SARS-CoV-2, suggesting pangolins may have served as an intermediate host for the virus.

    The SARS-CoV2 receptor-binding domain from pangolins was hundreds of times more effective. But’ that is not what the Chinese said. Talking about researchers in Wuhan Ian Lipkin said. “On December 31st, researchers there identified it as a coronavirus but said, ‘It’s not highly transmissible’.

    As late as the the 24th of January, Doctor Fauci was taking the official Chinese line that there was no sustained tranissability between human as Gospel, and gave a briefing for senators in which he said there was very little danger to the US from the Wuhan disease. Later that day he repeated that opinion at a press conference. So China said it was not infectious between people and there was nothing much to worry about, and Fauci was telling senators the same thing in late January. When Trump began to restrict travel into the US from China on the 31st January he was accused of “hysterical xenophobia” by Biden.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I noticed that, too, as well as several incomplete or garbled sentences.* Given the preceding sentence, it seems that “true infection” should be “true hospitalization.”

    ——

    * When he was published here regularly, Mr. Weissberg used to work whack-a-black into nearly every one of his articles, and the hunt for those became a hobby. That’s why I read this all the way through, and was surprised to come up empty.

  99. Pft says:

    The 10-city Boston-Newark-NYC Megalopolis spans 30,000 square kilometres along America’s northeast coast and hosts 36 million people. Ninety percent of New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island citizens reside in this Megalopolis.

    These 5 states (with 12% of America’s population) post 44,546 (55.2%) of America’s 80,789 C-19 deaths.
    These 5 states’ combined population equals that of California’s (40 million). California reported C-19 cases earlier. Now, California records only 2,717 C-19 deaths

    Smells like a small group have been cooking the books, yet states like California and many others simply follow along, probably because MSM focuses its attention on the Megalopolis to terrorize those in minimally affected areas so the become compliant.

    None of this is possible without serious lowering of our collective IQ.

  100. nsa says:
    @Alden

    “For the last 170 years compulsory government schooling has been the norm”.
    You are free to home school your offspring or send them to a private school. The catch is you pay for the private school out of your own pocket, with no credit for that portion of your taxes allotted to the public schools.
    If there are excess deaths in 2020 above and beyond those of 2019, then the wu-wu is more than the usual seasonal flu”. The death statistics provided so far by the authorities are dubious at best and probably can’t be relied upon to calculate the number of excess deaths attributable to the wu-wu. For comparative purposes, here are the statistics from the Great Influenza of 1918 as provided by Crosby on page 206 of “America’s Forgotten Pandemic”: 675,000 U.S. deaths in 1918 and 1919 with 125,000 being the usual number of deaths for the same period. So he attributes about 550,000 excess U.S. deaths to the Influenza of 1918 (an H1N1 virus). The reported number of deaths in 2020 so far are 82,000, with no one having any idea how many are excess. The population of the USA in 1918 was a little over 100 million, so the Influenza of 1918 killed about 1/2% of the population. 1/2% of 330 million (population as of 2020) would be 1.65 million. Remember, the wu-wu is a living thing struggling to survive by mutating constantly, and could return in the fall with extra virulence just like the Great Influenza of 1918. Or it could just fizzle out.

  101. Pft says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Many elderly are locked in nursing homes or assisted living facilities where there is community spread. Lockdowns dont apply there since staff come and go.

    They are also more likely to be Vitamin D deficient which makes them more susceptible to serious infection.

    Furthermore, the flu shot recommended for the elderly contains a super squalene based adjuvant to overcome their lower immune system. This might contribute to s dysregulated immune response to Coronaviruses. A study released in January done on vaccinated DOD personnel showed coronavirus infections were 36% more common than in unvaccinated. Elderly, especially those in nursing homes are more likely to be vaccinated. I believe I read a story where 50% of covid deaths in MA resided in nursing homes or long term care facilities

    Basically the mortality rate for those infected with covid-19 seems to follow normal age related mortality. This is not the same as flu which affects younger populations more severely than covid-19 has. For those health and under 50, Covid-19 is just a mild cold for many of them

  102. @refl

    Maybe, it serves to have some decent religious education.

    If you’re religious you may believe Revelation’s prophecy of deadly plagues descending on mankind. When can we expect to see them?

    • Replies: @refl
  103. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Alden

    The Drs offices are closed. I need a prescription refill. I called and was told the office is closed indefinitely. I’m supposed to go to My records and make a request. I don’t use Myrecords. I don’t want to.

    So I’m waiting for a zoom call from a Dr or nurse. …

    Jeeze. I didn’t realize the US was so advanced in bureau/plutocratic exploitation. Makes the Commie Chinese version of tyranny look almost benign.

  104. aandrews says:

    “…this is not the apocalypse.”

  105. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    The ct-qPCR Test (unapproved for diagnostics) and its administrative procedures are not only flawed (problems with adequate swab) but are a non-specific, catch all test which is known for giving false positives for flu-like viruses as well as many others.

    These tests do not give adequate clues about the amount of viral infection (slight or severe) and whether or not the virus is alive since it examines elements of RNA debris, not the entire genetic sequence. Detection of a dead virus has no clinical meaning as they are present in any respiratory disease unrelated to the disease itself.

    Clinically and epidemiologically PCR test “positives” or test “negatives” are useless and can be outright misleading, giving false information about virus spreading dynamics as well as create artifacts of clinical cases of COVID that are not there.

    The PCR test “positive” does not necessarily imply disease even if the presence of the virus is confirmed by full sequencing, also the PCR’s RNA fragments do not definitively make a clinical case for COVID attribution.

    “Negative” tests for respiratory symptomatic patients are also problematic as they give no clue to physicians about possible diagnosis of other possibly present respiratory diseases.

    PCR tests, put simply, are a diagnostic fraud, a fact indirectly admitted by the FDA.

    The FDA warned about the high likelihood of false positive test results in emergency approval letters to manufacturers of “COVID” testing kits which inherently fail to assure adequate SC2 specificity.

    The FDA announced on May 4th that companies selling “Covid” PCR antibody tests must submit data proving accuracy within the next 10 days or face removal from the market.

    On May 4th the FDA stated openly, “a concerning number of commercial serology tests are being promoted inappropriately, including for diagnostic use, or are performing poorly based on an independent evaluation” conducted by the National Institutes of Health.

    The antibody tests are an effort to detect whether a person had been infected with the coronavirus, but results have been widely varied. Since mid-March, the agency permitted dozens of manufacturers to sell the tests without providing evidence that they are accurate.

    The F.D.A.’s action follows a report by more than 50 scientists, which found that only three out of 14 antibody tests gave consistently reliable results, and even the best had flaws. An evaluation by the National Institutes of Health, working with other federal health agencies, also found “a concerning number” of commercial tests that are performing poorly, the F.D.A. said.

    The results from these flawed tests, tests that had been rushed to market, were not only repeated as gospel by media throughout the country but were and are being used as (mis)information to guide public policy.

    In these tests the SC2 virus was NOT isolated from samples of clinical cases casually attributed to COVID phenology but “supposedly” associated with COVID, as many other biological agents and pathogens are also found to be associated with COVID clinical cases.

    Such recklessly vague, catch-all clinical descriptions of COVID covers a broad spectrum of existing diseases or conditions. This can be directly responsible for injurious or deadly therapies, including invasive ventilation known to kill up to 80% of COVID patients in some areas, as well as blatantly wrong protocols and drug regimes doctors are still compelled to follow.

    Serological tests for SC2 antibody are much more reliable and in fact can diagnose ongoing infection by detection of short term antibodies within a few days of viral inoculation as well as longer term exposure antibodies within a span of two weeks or more when SC2 is removed from organism or it is still present but dead and unable to infect human cells.

    Note for example:

    Manufacturer Creative Diagnostics website- SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Multiplex RT-qPCR Kit (CD019RT)

    Regulatory status: For research use only, NOT FOR USE IN DIAGNOSTICS PROCEDURES.

    Specificity: non-specific interference of Influenza A Virus (H1N1), Influenza B Virus (Yamagata), Respiratory Syncytial Virus (type B), Respiratory Adenovirus (type 3, type 7), Parainfluenza Virus (type 2), Mycoplasma Pneumoniae, Chlamydia Pneumoniae, etc.,.

    From FDA approval letter for Bio-Rad Laboratories, Inc., RTqPCR test.

    Positive results are indicative of the presence of SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid; clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine patient infection status. Positive results DO NOT rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.

    Compare to here:

    Serological test kit approval letter for the same manufacturer:

    Your product is a qualitative test for the detection of total antibodies (including IgM/IgA/IgG) against SARS-CoV-2 in serum and plasma (EDTA). The product is intended for use as an aid in identifying individuals with an adaptive immune response to SARS-CoV-2, indicating recent or prior infection.

    Note that there is no questioning of positive serological results or warning about impact of co-infection.

    C19 is decidedly not some alien, unique virus- it is a SC2 virus (that was fully sequenced) out of at least a hundred others present within our respiratory system. Nobody cares to pay attention to these others as the immune system in a healthy person deals with them, just as a healthy immune system does with SC2, influenza and other viral contagions.

    What we are dealing with is not the result of some unique deadly virus rather it is the result of the collapsed health of populations due to extreme social stresses, rapidly deteriorating environmental conditions and the devastation of public health institutions worldwide which has produced hundreds of millions of people sick and dying from preventable diseases every year.

    • Agree: Skeptikal, Alfred
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  106. @450.org

    Re: “Fauci’s a bastard but he’s correct that there will be a second wave of this and it will be many times more devastating than the first wave.”

    Well, then not to worry! There has been ZERO actual first wave devastation (other than on TV), so ZERO multiplied by “many-times-more” is still == ZERO.

    • Agree: bjondo
    • Replies: @bjondo
  107. Skeptikal says:
    @Huskynut

    ” We have unlearned a lot of valuable, practical wisdom over time. And just because we have antibiotics and cloud computing doesn’t mean we can’t usefully use effective, low-cost old practices as well.”

    Remember “Breathe through your nose, out through your mouth”? That was partly because breathing through the nose filters out impurities and dirt in the air and also warms the air before it hits the lower respiratory tract and the lungs. Might actually trap a few viruses and kill them on the spot.

    Remember “Air the bedding after you get up in the morning”?
    Best: Air it by hanging it over a window sill so sunlight and fresh air can naturally disinfect it.

    Even in cold climates where there was no laundry line outdoors, laundry used to be dried in a “drying room,” which often was just the room with the water heater but with cedar cladding on the walls. I bet the cedar oil of the wood not only smelled good but had disinfecting fumes. Winter clothes were also stored in a cedar-lined closet or chest in the summer.

    PS. Sunlight is good for you. We evolved under the sun’s inexhaustible energy.
    Throw out the sun block.

    We have unlearned a hell of a lot.

    As for sensible advice re distancing and isolation, check out
    https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

    A lot of this is just common sense.
    The best strategy to develop your own immunity might be to make short sorties every few days so as to maybe pick up a small viral load that you body can deal with. Instead of the “big shop” once every two weeks that leaves you bumbling around the store for up to an hour or more, go to the grocery store for at most five minutes every few days to pick up a few things. Get into the Express lane and get out again quickly.

    PS. Thanks; I didn’t know that about silver cutlery. I’ll look for some (when the thrift store opens!).

  108. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Huskynut

    Agreed. If the “age of antibiotics” is almost over (and the age of genetically engineered biological warfare is almost here, COVID-19 being the gust front), the goal will have to be constructing environments that to not support bacteria and viruses.
    This raises the question of how young humans could acquire necessary consensual or symbiotic bacteria, but presumably mother/baby bond could supply the bulk of that.

  109. gay troll says:
    @Wally

    I don’t disagree with you about the Democrats, I just think Trump is more of the same. Why should Biden or Hillary be the yardstick by which we measure the Presidency? What is the difference between Trump and Obama? Both ran on a platform of draining the swamp. Both promised to reign in war in the Middle East and regulate Wall Street. Both broke their campaign promises. Both tell people only what they want to hear. Both are hypocrites. You say “Obama was the first president in US history to be at war for every single day of his eight year presidency.” Trump will apparently be the second.

    Divide and conquer, control opposition. There is no lesser of two evils, they all work for the same boss.

  110. Skeptikal says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    “#Coronahoax has brought us much closer to states seceding, a positive when the other choice is an Orwellian police state.”

    Or, regions pulling away in other less-noticeable ways than “secession.”

    • Replies: @Alden
  111. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    The thing to remember is that COVID-19 is an engineered virus that was, apparently, never intended to be released. If Chinese level 4 practice is as bad as has been reported (keeping former lab animals as pets, selling former lab animals as food, skipping isolation techniques to get a paper ready on time), then many such organisms must have been released, but quietly vanished, their modifications having made them non-viable in the wild outside world. COVID-19, however, is clearly infectious. It is also not all that deadly, so far, which is pure luck.
    It is also not understood. While it is said that COVID-19 starts in the throat and migrates to the lungs, apparently it can lead to multi-organ failures, possibly from cytokene storms, but possibly from direct effects as well (https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/22/covid-toes-doctors-identify-newest-symptom-of-coronavirus/). New forms of the disease seem to be appearing.

    The effects of such an organism are not well understood, and cannot be using current techniques. Like it or not, admit it or not, the COVID-19 treatments are cut-and-try, empirical in nature. Medicine always has a bit of that built in — it’s closer to engineering than it is to physics.

    But wait, there’s more! COVID-19 novelty is apparently still unfolding. COVID-toe is apparently a new symptom, as is the death of children, which went from 15 to 100 in what I remember as about a week — very quickly (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/nyregion/children-Kawasaki-syndrome-coronavirus.html).

    WE DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE DEALING WITH. Predicting that we can go back to work with no consequences (like Sweden) is just as self-deluding as the original COVID-19 forecasts of very high mortality.

    Such is life.

    At the same time we do know that staying home and having the government pay our wages so we can buy the goods and services we are not producing is incompatible with continued life, like something in Idiocracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc) . We have to go to work and accept the casualties with no more than the usual complaining and mourning.

    And the above is about all we can be sure of.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  112. @refl

    What is the point of religion? For most people that means to live forever. Are you one of them? If so get real. There is no life after death.

  113. denk says:

    Message In Plain Sight.
    How plain can you get ?
    This is In your face.

    HR6666,
    ‘We need an army of body snatchers’

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/china-forges-ahead-through-chaos-and-threats/#comment-3892826

  114. @Joey Pastrami

    I think these are chronological. Hard to organize on phone. If unfamiliar, DS is NSFW, and blocked for much public WiFi. I wouldn’t let any norm be aware of a DS visit.

    All links for straight web. For Tor links, swap domain with dstormer6em3i4km[dot]onion

    “Masks Won’t Help You, Goy”

    Masks Don’t Do Anything, But the US is in Desperate Need of 3.5 Billion of Them from China

    The Media has Changed Its Mind About Masks

    Dumb Black Surgeon General Announces He Advises People to Wear Masks

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  115. @Michael J

    80 year olds don’t go to the hospitals to die, and most data is on people who have been hospitalized. They die in nursing homes or hospice or their own homes. There is no telling how many 80 year olds have died and were never diagnosed with Covid just to keep the numbers down. No need to do autopsies. Go straight to the funeral home. Not good for retirement home recruiting.

    It is just as likely that there are huge numbers of unreported Covid deaths just like there are huge numbers of unreported infected people.

    • Replies: @Michael J
  116. @Anonymous

    You, um, shouldn’t talk to me. I don’t react kindly to anons who make up stupid shits on the spot.

  117. jadan says:

    So we’ve had pandemics following the grand influenza of 1918 and have been very poor students. We learned very little and in fact have thumbed our collective nose at the clear and present danger of pandemics, as evidenced by the fact that secret research into bioweapons has continued unabated. Weapons of mass destruction whether nuclear, chemical, or biological are highly prized. We are sailing in dire straights and have been since the end of WWII.

    But criticism of Trump and the blatant stupidity he represents does not help the situation you say? Beg to differ. The social distress this virus has wrought so far is a direct result of the failure to deal appropriately with our collective situation. We know pandemics are inevitable, but what is the response of this self-absorbed, venal, and corrupt political leadership? Cut budgets for pandemic preparedness and cut taxes for selfish and sociopathic ideologues with anti-regulation agendas.

    The virus is not to blame for out situation. We are to blame for an utterly inadequate response to a clear and present danger. Our leadership is worse than incompetent: it is culpable for its failure to lead. Where are the masks, the ppe, the testing, the economic continuity planning? Not only do these fools, following the piped piper and lunatic in chief Trump, do their best to undermine government regulation and privatize essential public services, they dismiss nuclear weapons treaties on which public survival has been built since WWII, and they foment belligerent foreign policy that has pushed the Doomsday Clock to within 90 seconds of midnight.

    No, Mr. Weisman, the correct thing to do is call for the removal of this fool Trump and all his minions and call for it loudly and persistently until this blatant stupidity is purged from the White House. Our survival depends on it. We are in apocalyptic times and conditions will not improve without public spirited, intelligent leadership.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Emslander
    , @jadan
  118. Michael J says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Not an argument.
    I never brought up AIDS. That was you. Now make a coherent argument or stfu? Lol

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  119. bjondo says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    I’ll add: Bullshit + Bullshit gives Bullshit.

    Just make an announcement: “More viruses are coming and they are worse!”
    Nothing actually has to be happening. Just an announcement.

    Guantanamize servantdogs, fascists, liars, profiteers.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @bjondo
  120. Michael J says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    If there were huge numbers of unreported Covid deaths, the MSM would easily find them. Hence, the MSM would NOT need to go to ridiculous lengths lying and exaggerating. Remember the mass graves? Whatever happened to that piece of fake news? Where are all the dead people sucking up the UK’s supply of body bags? How about those ventilator shortages. Did you pay attention to #filmyourhospital, or perhaps those dancing battle-hardened front line warzone veteran nurses making all those tiktok videos?

    Can you explain any of the above in light of your statement that covid deaths ard likely underreported?
    I’m waiting.

  121. kerzha says:

    Someone should tell the author what the Sword of Damocles means. It’s not the same thing as a “double-edged sword”. How embarrassing for those who pretend to be erudite.

  122. @Anon

    Thanks for this summary of the tests and their shortcomings. I was hoping to read something like this on UR so as to save me researching the literature myself. It is worrying that one could be misdiagnosed as having Covid-19 based on some of these tests just for having a fever and exhibiting symptoms of the flu and then treated wrongly leading to complications and possible death. However I am not sure that there isn’t this new Covid-19 virus responsible for these excess deaths.

  123. Alfred says:
    @refl

    how people who knew that they were being murdered by the political system that they had fought for kept believing until death.

    In Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s The Gulag Archipelago, He describes how “Old Bolsheviks”, the ones who had committed untold massacres, kept on proclaiming that they were “Good Communists” and had never betrayed the party while being interrogated and punished. Even in the camps, they kept on insisting there must have been some mistake and that they should not have been incarcerated. Many of them were Jews of course. That is why Stalin has such a bad reputation in the West.

    I cannot help thinking that the eminent owner of this blog might be suffering from a similar affliction. 🙂

  124. @schnellandine

    I wouldn’t let any norm be aware of a DS visit.

    I guess so. Perhaps I’m naive, but I do find it strange that people should object to the literature someone who wants to be informed about all views of the political spectrum reads. It doesn’t mean that one agrees with every media outlet one visits or all their contents. People are so narrow-minded, especially many of those who claim to be liberals and libertarians. But you are right, it is blocked extensively. Even attempting to access it in certain settings where the establishment providing the connection is monitoring users is inadvisable. I’ve had an unpleasant experience once because of this in an extremely PC locale but wouldn’t want to divulge the details.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  125. @Brás Cubas

    Just think of all the young people who partook during “spring break.” That alone should tell everybody how undangerous COVID is.

  126. joe2.5 says:
    @Agent76

    “China wants you to know that China is saving the world from the coronavirus pandemic. You didn’t know? That’s why they’re now forcing countries to praise China. Yes, that will work well and definitely not backfire…”

    Well, you know what they say… there is no pleasing anyone retarded enough not to learn from spectacular success, explained step by step and with advance notice, and crazy enough to take revenge for his own stupidity on a successful teacher, to boot. Anyway, how’s the forcing done? Did some slit-eyes hold a gun to your head?

  127. Alden says:

    Los Angeles mayor just issued order masks to be worn at all times when outside. Board of supervisors Los Angeles county just decided lockdown to extend June July August.

    And all the Dr offices are closed indefinitely. You can get some prescriptions filled with an online request. Anything else, go to the ER.

  128. Alden says:
    @jadan

    You want an inexpensive n95 mask that preforms much better than those medical masks? Go to Home Depot or any hardware store and for about $15 you can buy a 5 pack of 3m 8210 n95 masks. There’s packs of 15 and more.

    Do you expect the federal government to deliver 2 15 packs of 3m8210 n95 masks to your home once a month ? Can’t you go buy some if you’re so worried?

    Doesn’t the CDC, state and county public health departments surgeon general of the United States the AMA and other physicians organizations have something to do with health disease and epidemics?

    Is the president supposed to do everything all by himself?

    83,000 deaths attributed, just attributed, not certain, to the Covid hoax out of 330-340 million population . Average age of covid hoax deaths 75. 31 % of covid hoax deaths occurred in nursing homes.

    What’s 83,000 out of 330 million people ? .00008 percent?

    If you’re so worried go buy some masks yourself. 3m n95 any hardware store lumber yard farm equipment store Walmart Costco amazon and internet shopping. Some of the internet prices are triple Home Depot.

    New symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome wailing like a baby for its bottle for Trump to mail you a supply of n95 masks.

    Meanwhile all the Drs offices are closed down and the only Drs working are those in ERs. So if you have any medical problem but suspected covid hoax fly to Europe and use their national health systems. They’re free to anyone including tourists.

  129. Alden says:
    @Skeptikal

    What states are seceding? Let me know. I’ll hire a moving van.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  130. @Michael J

    You are so retarded you don’t even understand the point I was making even after the hand holding comment I made last.

    Every fucking retard blabbering about stuff they don’t understand.

    If covid 19 paves the way for other illness to kill you, which other wise would not. That means covid 19 caused your death you fucking retard.

    Splitting the fucking hairs you still get hairs.

    So many fucking retards.

    • Replies: @Michael J
    , @Dave Bowman
  131. Emslander says:
    @jadan

    See, the error in this sort of diatribe is to think that government has any role in keeping you healthy or alive. That’s your job to a certain extent, complicated by your genetic disposition toward physical decline, luck and, possibly, the Will of God. No government can be expected to do anything but make your health care very expensive and the object of political manipulation.

    I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he would keep me healthy and I’m sure you didn’t vote against him because you thought he wouldn’t.

    • Replies: @Alden
  132. According to the website of the American Dental Association around a third of the population of the U.S has never had any dental work.
    Thats about 100 million Americans walking around with their mouths full of busted and rotten teeth.
    I wonder what they think of Covid-19.

  133. refl says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There are deadly plagues and there are wars. Can you imagine what life was like in those milenia of history, when any wound or disease could kill you, because there simply was no remedy?

    Well, that is what life really means. How would people not go insane in all those bygone centuries? Christ says DON’T BE AFRAID, and that is at least a good start, far better certainly then picking up your morning newspaper that says in all its headlines, that you should be afraid of the latest braindead fear porn of the day.

    By this means you at least stay away from one of the worst plagues that there are, which is boundless human stupidity.

  134. “Opposed are Americans so terrified the that nothing less than total eradication of the virus will suffice.”

    Don’t know these folks. Don’t even know anyone who contracted it, much less anyone seriously ill.
    Maybe all this just happens on TV. Glad I don’t have one.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  135. @Commentator Mike

    Even attempting to access [Daily Stormer] in certain settings where the establishment providing the connection is monitoring users is inadvisable.

    That’s the main reason I put the warning. Didn’t want someone getting fired because he clicked unaware a link I posted. Clownworld.

  136. @refl

    Panicking in any disaster situation is a bad idea, but taking precautions and safety measures is always sensible. I definitely try to stay away from MSM in any form, and feel much better for it, but even UR and other alternative sites can get depressing with almost everything being about Covid-19. I wouldn’t mind if they were providing reliable information but mostly it is all just speculation generating more confusion. Anyway, I’m not the type of person who shows fear but neither will I put my hand in the fire just because someone tells me it isn’t hot. I live by this quote (Sirach 22) – I know it’s the Old Testament, but that other Jesus, Son of Sirach, spoke a lot of wisdom:

    16 A wooden beam can be put into a building so firmly that an earthquake cannot shake it loose; a person can be trained to use reason and good sense so well that he keeps his head when a crisis comes. 17 A mind that thinks things through intelligently is like a firm wall, finely decorated. 18 Small stones on top of a wall[b] will not stay put when the wind blows, and a person whose stupid ideas have made him timid will not be able to stand up to frightening situations.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sirach+22&version=GNT;KJV

    OTOH there is another side to “fear” – it can be a great motivator for people to get off their asses and do something to eliminate that which is causing it, or to protect themselves, their families and nations, and not just responding to what the government tells them that they should fear.

  137. Adûnâi says:
    @refl

    > “Christ says DON’T BE AFRAID, and that is at least a good start, far better certainly then picking up your morning newspaper that says in all its headlines, that you should be afraid of the latest braindead fear porn of the day.”

    Why would a man of Aryan blood listen to what a dead Jewish rabbi on the cross has to say? How can you remain a Christian, when it is exactly the Christian axiology of seeing humans as equal souls that has led Westerners to chopping off their dicks, and becoming transvestite? Such a monstrous idealist creed is pure poison.

    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/red-giant/

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Alden
  138. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    Went to 2 more medium sized businesses each having minimum
    15 employees per shift. None that I asked knew of another employee
    or anyone else with this earth-devouring disease.

    Will herd** immunity protect against herd stupidity?

    **don’t care for “herd” applied to humans. Maybe community or population.

    5 dancing shlomos

  139. Skeptikal says:
    @Alden

    I specifically said not seceding.

    ???

    But do feel free to vote with your feet, whichever way you choose, in or out.

    • Replies: @Alden
  140. Skeptikal says:
    @Adûnâi

    Regardless of who said it,

    “Be not afraid” has a lot of power.

    It means “You can, and you will, find the courage to face whatever it is that you must face.”

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  141. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    As late as the the 24th of January, Doctor Fauci was taking the official Chinese line that there was no sustained tranissability between human as Gospel, and gave a briefing for senators in which he said there was very little danger to the US from the Wuhan disease. Later that day he repeated that opinion at a press conference. So China said it was not infectious between people and there was nothing much to worry about, and Fauci was telling senators the same thing in late January.

    The NY Times reported on January 20th that China confirmed that it was infectious between people. China imposed the Wuhan lockdown 2 days later on January 22nd (23rd in China time):

    • Agree: Adûnâi
  142. gsjackson says:
    @Thomas Milton

    I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone who’s been affected by the corona virus (the virus, not the response to it). Don’t have a TV either, so I’ve missed the fear porn binging. All I know is that eight or nine of my constitutional rights have been suspended, with a couple more looming down the pike, and it has created the very worst time to be alive in the U.S. in my 70 years.

  143. Adûnâi says:
    @Skeptikal

    > ““Be not afraid” has a lot of power.”

    As Theon Greyjoy said in Game of Thrones (paraphrasing),

    Afraid? Good. It means you’re not stupid.

  144. R2b says:
    @refl

    Solsjenitsyn (spells differently according to language), says that the russian people, has guilt in what happened. I think he is right, to a great extent. When the spiritual sphere in an enough amount of people lets itself open to strange influences, as it is abandoning its christian grounding, other powers move in. Dostojevskij (Dostoyevsky), wrote about it in his novel, ”Evil spirits”.
    We see it now, today, as if in a somewhat bolstered, but quite hasty move. Virus and weather, who can argue against it? One is invisible, the other all to easy to complain about. And contesting the position, as one of mankinds greatest achievements, we are now expected to abandon our bodies to a computer-guru. He has listened to his master who said, whenever there is a vacuum, fill it.

    • Replies: @Michael J
  145. Michael J says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    No, your point just wasn’t made very coherently, and neither was it a good point.

    I don’t know where you got the idea that coronavirus speeds up preexisting medical conditions. And even to argue that inspite of dying of those very conditions that coronavirus is the real culprit is not a very convincing, let alone an astute argument to make.

    And the reason I knew you wouldn’t be very astute, even before arguing with you, is because you call yourself astute. You obviously haven’t matured to the realization yet that the world runs on irony. Which is why so many religions and traditions stress humility. The cosmos has a way of mocking the proud. Humility really is the best bet your dignity has. Maybe change your silly name?

  146. Michael J says:
    @R2b

    Yes, just reading 19th century Russian novels you get a good glimpse into the arrogance and pride of these radical and enlightemed characters that often feature. Unsurprisingly, the are often young naive students who know much better than their fathers and the peasants so obviously beneath them. Whenever I read these stories, I always check the year it was published, and it’s like a ticking time bomb whose countdown ends with the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

    Pride really is a blinding weakness that seems to hit the white races especially hard. That fact alone justifies the most backward superstitions and religious fanaticism if it can guarantee the humility required to protect white people from too much pride.

    We really do need to bow back down before God where we belong. Humility and clarity will be our reward. Because if we don’t the genocidal jews and their hordes of non-whites will devour us easily while we will still be eating and drinking unawares.

  147. Alden says:
    @Skeptikal

    Thought you wrote some states might secede.

  148. Alden says:
    @Adûnâi

    They don’t chop it off. They scrape out the flesh and stick the hollow tube of skin up between 2 groin muscles. They they remove the testicles but keep the scrotums, The scrotums fashioned into some sort of labias

    They they complain of discrimination when no one wants to have sex with them.

    I can’t see any connection with those procedures and Jesus

  149. Alden says:
    @Emslander

    Agree agree agree. The local property tax authority affects my life, not the president.

  150. Las Vegas is a vile place and should be shut down forever but I’m with Moe.

    Baby the Dice Must Roll.

  151. @Charles

    @charles,

    “It’s also true that the people who have the authority – and the means to back up that authority – to instigate lockdowns are doing so partly to see just how long the lockdowns will be tolerated.”

    It is my opinion that we are either in a war game or we are already at war.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
  152. jadan says:
    @jadan

    @Alden, @Emslander

    This is a dress rehearsal, friends, to see how well government can live up to its Constitutional obligation to promote the general welfare. Anti-federalism is long gone. You also lost the Civil War, too, so spare talk of primarily state and local government solutions, losers. Get rid of your idiotic Confederate flags! That ideological bullshit is just refusal to face reality, which is 330 million people without leadership. The Federalists won the debate more than 150 years ago and a pandemic is one of the reasons a strong central government exists and is absolutely necessary to national survival. As Weisman has pointed out, this is the latest pandemic, not the last. And we can be sure it is not the worst that we will see in the near future. We are failing the challenge posed by this weaponized virus. Donald Trump and his anti-regulation, anti-government supporters, who cannot understand the meaning of the public interest much less serve it, are the direct cause of this failure. Weisman is completely wrong about this. He is what Paul Craig Roberts would call a “presstitute”.

  153. Here’s what’s wrong with America today. Aside from the neocons and their zionist jewish agendas, we have a bunch of lesbians and gay men in positions of power. Positions that require logos, rational thinking and morality when making decisions that affect the other 99% of Americans. Imagine, these people promote: childhood sex change, all sexual perversions, multible sex partners, gay bath houses, anal sex with strangers, trans this and that, and then they turn around and talk to us about social distancing. They are full of spite, they hate the straight world, and it shows, yet we vote them into office. Because of their lifestyle they die 20 years earlier than the straight population, and neither group can have natural children and yet we put them in charge of our cities, counties, states, and systems. How stupid are we?

    • Agree: anarchyst
  154. @Marshall Lentini

    “Captain, a mate has fallen ill and another died of something… scurvyish.”
    “Great Scot, The Grim Reaper is aboard! All hands below deck! I’ll run aground and shake him loose!”
    “Captain… We were not ready for the rocks. Twenty souls were lost. Forty more are mighty sore.”
    “All hands to the guns! The Grim Reaper is getting away and I see savages in my spy glass!”

    Careful with your Pollyanna obliviousness. You might make people aware that the relentless media coverage of CV19 — even taking the numbers on face value — is ridiculously exaggerated. In terms of human life lost or physical damage to infrastructure this whole blizzard of hype is akin to a teenage girl panicking over two pimples; the emotional reaction simply does not square with either the harm done or actual threat to the entire organism.

    And then to pin blame for the economic calamity on Covid… Ha. Please. Like Dr. Erickson said with a telling smile during his press conference (that got taken down on Youtube), “Something else is going on.” Take it from Gerry:

  155. Uomiem says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Shut up boomer. Everyone knows that the danger of covid1984 was greatly exaggerated. You lost the information war. Do us, your kids, and the world a favor and ghost already.

    The Motherload of Coronavirus Conspiracy Resources – Links Exposing the Plandemic Fraud

  156. @Astuteobservor II

    My guess is only in world like yours would the following make one iota of sense.
    At height of pandemic, 1.4 million US health workers lose jobs

    Washington (AFP) – Dayna James has been an emergency nurse for 17 years — and thought the COVID-19 pandemic would mean she’d have more work than ever.
    Instead, she’s filing for unemployment benefits, an ironic twist of fate shared by 1.4 million of America’s 18 million health care personnel who have lost their jobs since March — including 135,000 hospital workers.

    https://news.yahoo.com/height-pandemic-1-4-million-us-health-workers-200306639.html

  157. @Astuteobservor II

    Oh, and by the way, AIDS doesn’t kill, it is the deadly cocktail of drugs prescribed(such as AZT) to rid the body of this so called illness caused by such things as amyl nitrite huffing, intravenous drug use, and anal sex.

    I know, I had a gay brother-in-law who died of liver/kidney failure due too the cocktail of drugs he took for close to 20 years to cure him of his “AIDS”.

    African deaths attributed to AIDS are more than likely from mal-nutrition, malaria, and outright starvation.
    http://www.newscastmedia.com/aids-hoax.html

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  158. @Johnny Walker Read

    Yea, eugenics needs to be a thing right now. Too many brain deads are a waste of precious resources.

  159. sophia says:
    @Brás Cubas

    But this is completely normal. It does not say asymptomatic people are spreading the virus, it says that in the first week that you’re sick – have symptoms – you shed the most virus. Which is exactly what you would expect.

  160. aandrews says:

    Covid-19 With Virologist Dr. Christian Bréchot, Plus Rambo Goes To Venezuela | Useful Idiots
    May 8, 2020

    Leading virologist Dr. Christian Bréchot discusses the origins of Covid-19, how the virology and wider scientific communities are working together for solutions, how a vaccine may get developed, and why he doesn’t expect one any time soon. Katie and Matt break down the botched coup in Venezuela

  161. @Rich

    Demographics will ultimately decide Orange Putter’s fate, and he’s being blamed for chong flu deaths anyway.

    Shutting everything down and ushering in the globalist medical/surveillance state is also on Trump.

    The only reason to vote for him now is to keep fkface biden at bay.

  162. @Astuteobservor II

    If covid 19 paves the way for other illness to kill you, which other wise would not. That means covid 19 caused your death

    No. In fact, medically AND legally, it simply does NOT.

    You can disagree with the law all you want. Nobody gives a fuck what you think – especially when what you think is pigshit.

  163. davtel says:

    a sword of damocles is whats hanging over israel and the talmudist death cult for its evil. talmudism is a mental illness, they always go too far. covid is an evil too far.

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