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For days, for weeks, the media have been dominated by the spread of the corona virus. Almost every hour new numbers on infections and deceased are published. There are also reports of political reactions and the economic consequences. What was previously considered impossible is now decided: there are travel restrictions, borders are locked, people are no longer allowed to be in the streets, factories are shut down. The police control playgrounds so that no children play there. Swimming pools are closed, shops are closed. Restaurants are not allowed to enter. Football games and concerts are canceled. Churches and museums, theaters and cinemas, zoos and parks remain orphaned. My university closes. Young scientists who should be hired have to go to social assistance because the department for human resources can no longer process the files. E-mails from desperate post-docs come from abroad, which had prospects for academic jobs and are now falling into poverty.

Share prices collapse, companies anticipate profit declines and losses, sovereign debt levels increase in unprecedented rates, unemployment rises sharply. If companies, clubs, shops or hairdressers are not allowed to open and therefore do not generate any income, they can no longer pay their staff, they have to put them on short-time work and dismiss them later. Large companies, such as Vapiano and Maredo, two previously very successful large restaurant chains in Germany, and countless small self-employed people go bankrupt.

The first thing to be aware of is that these are not the consequences of the “Corona-crisis”, but the consequences of political decisions dealing with it. If people become unemployed, it is not because of the virus and illness, but because of the political restrictions that are becoming more severe day by day.

Admittedly, people would become more cautious without the many restrictions imposed, but the changes would be much less radical. When I was on the playground with the youngest child on a Saturday some days ago, the playground was filled with playing children and youngsters riding their boards in the skate park as always. I tried to keep track of what the parents and teenagers were talking about. I didn’t hear anything about Corona.

The politicians are driven by the extensive media coverage. This is very similar to the case of Fukushima in 2011, when “tens of thousands of dead” were wrongly attributed by the leading German media to the Fukushima nuclear disaster instead of to the tsunami. The politicians have to demonstrate their ability to act publicly; otherwise, the media would attribute every further death to them. Politicians try to avoid this and communicate their decisiveness.

Yet, the political decisions have many serious consequences, affecting the majority of people in the long term and affecting society as a whole. Let’s take school closure as an example: An almost overwhelming number of studies has shown that schooling promotes intelligence and knowledge, around 3.40 IQ points per year.[1]Ritchie, S. J. & Tucker-Drob, E. M. (2018). How much does education improve intelligence? A meta-analysis. Psychological Science, 29(8), 1358–1369. Lag of teaching, on the other hand, leads to a reduction in intelligence, which has been demonstrated using the example of summer vacation.[2]Cooper, H., Nye, B., Charlton, K., Lindsay, J. & Greathouse, S. (1996). The effects of summer vacation on achievement test scores: A narrative and meta-analytic review. Review of Educational Research, 66(3), 227–268. You can count on about 0.08 to 0.12 IQ points per week of missed lessons. These losses are greater among children from poorly educated families who are less able to learn self-directed and who are less supported by parents. The gaps between good and weak students increase with the missed lessons from day to day. In the long run, this leads to less innovation, economic growth and prosperity and to more social tensions, crime and poverty.[3]Oesterdiekhoff, G. W. & Rindermann, H. (Hrsg.) (2008). Culture and Cognition: The Contributions of Psychometry and Piaget Psychology to Understanding Cultural Differences [Kultur und Kognition: Die Beiträge von Psychometrie und Piaget-Psychologie zum Verständnis kultureller Unterschiede]. Münster: Lit.

Rindermann, H. (2018). Cognitive capitalism: Human capital and the wellbeing of nations. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Rindermann, H. & Becker, D. (2018). FLynn-effect and economic growth: Do national increases in intelligence lead to increases in GDP? Intelligence, 69, 87–93.

Rindermann, H. & Carl, N. (2020). The good country index, cognitive ability and culture. Comparative Sociology, 19, 39–68.
In consequence, fewer funds will be available in the health care and nursing.

The corona pandemic is not comparable to previous epidemics. In the Middle Ages, around a third of the population died of the plague. Because more land but fewer workers were available in the aftermath, income and prosperity increased.[4]“Black Death bonus”; Pleijt, A. M. de & van Zanden, J. L. (2016). Accounting for the “Little Divergence”: What drove economic growth in pre-industrial Europe, 1300–1800? European Review of Economic History, 20(4), 387–409. 50 million people died of the Spanish flu in 1918/1919, the mortality rate was between 2 and 4 percent.[5]Johnson, N. P. A. S. & Mueller, J. (2002). Updating the accounts: Global mortality of the 1918-1920 “Spanish” influenza pandemic. Bulletin of the History of Medicine, 76(1), 105–115. Not only did older people die from it, like the 56-year-old sociologist Max Weber, but especially younger people between 20 and 40 years old. Both diseases increased the so-called mortality displacement or excess mortality, which led to the death of more people and people who would otherwise not have died in this period and age.[6]Corona is not yet (12th week 2020) statistically recognizable in mortality rates in Europe, see www.euromomo.eu

The situation is completely different with the COVID-19 disease caused by the corona virus. According to preliminary knowledge, half to three quarters of all infected people show no symptoms at all, as was found in a complete test of the village of Vò Euganeo in Italy.[8]19.03.2020, www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-vo-euganeo-blanket-testing-veneto-luca-zaia-a9411201.html; 18.03.2020, https://kurier.at/chronik/welt/italienisches-dorf-be...785596 So far, none or nearly none of the children have been seen to die, among young healthy adults up to the age of 50 the mortality rate is 0.3%, perhaps even significantly lower, due to incomplete records of previous illnesses. In Italy, only one person below 50 has died so far.[9]EBM-Netzwerk. (2020, März). COVID-19: COVID-19: Where’s the evidence? [Wo ist die Evidenz?] Retrieved from the EBM-Netzwerk website: www.ebm-netzwerk.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/nachrichten/covid-19-wo-ist-die-evidenz Mortality increases from the age of 50 up to 10% among those aged 80 to 90.[10]The Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team. (2020). The epidemiological characteristics of an outbreak of 2019 novel coronavirus diseases (COVID-19) – China, 2020. China CDC Weekly, 2(8), 113–122. The average age of those who died in the Corona pandemic in Italy is around 80 years. However, age itself is not so important here, but age is associated with a higher load of previous diseases such as diabetes, heart failure, pulmonary diseases and hypertension, which weaken the immune system.

It is also not easy to determine what actually killed these people. Humans always live with viruses and bacteria, in and around them. The immune system is tuned to them and we even need this daily “battle” because otherwise allergies could arise. Therefore, intensive hygiene and intensive hand washing are not useful in everyday life, except in hospitals. The death of older people with a weak immune system is less due to the flu, corona or pneumonia themselves, but to the weak immune system, which allowed pathogens to damage their bodies. Most probably, these people would die in the foreseeable future, either from one or the other pathogen that has always been there.

On a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, on which 700 people were infected, the mortality rate was 1%, even though the age of cruise passengers is quite high. Applied to western societies and their age structure, according to the statistician Ioannidis, this results in a mortality rate of 0.2%.[11]Ioannidis, J. P. A. (17. März 2020). A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data. Retrieved from Statnews website: www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data Thereafter, the mortality from the corona virus has to be higher than in previously known variants of the flu in recent decades, but not extremely higher. For this winter of 2019/20, around 23,000 to 59,000 flu deaths were expected in the United States, the mortality rate is around 0.1%.[12]22.03.2020, www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm[13]In some cases, even higher mortality was assumed in flu compared to corona. 0.45% for the flu in Germany 2017 to 2019, 0.2% for the corona virus in Germany. COVID-19: Where’s the evidence? [COVID-19: Wo ist die Evidenz?] Retrieved from the EBM-Netzwerk website: www.ebm-netzwerk.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/nachrichten/covid-19-wo-ist-die-evidenz

Without testing, the corona epidemic would probably not be seen as something so unusual compared to the common flu outbreaks until now. In general, almost one million people in Germany die every year, roughly the same number of deaths caused by the Second World War each year in Germany.[14]https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/15690...hland; Germany in the Second World War 1939−1945 approximately 6,350,000 war deaths in six and a half years. COVID-19 would not have been noticed in the Middle Ages because the median age of the population was much lower and the number of old people with previous illnesses was much smaller. The success of modern medicine has made it possible for a disease like COVID-19 to become significant.

However, since the 1990s, the mortality rate in medicine has no longer been the relevant criterion for assessing the seriousness of an illness for a population, but the loss of years of healthy life (DALY or disability-adjusted life years).[15]Murray, C. J. L. et al. (2015). Global, regional, and national disability-adjusted life years (DALYs) for 306 diseases and injuries and healthy life expectancy (HALE) for 188 countries, 1990-2013: Quantifying the epidemiological transition. Lancet. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(15)61340-X If, like the authors of a well-known study published in the Lancet, a comparison is made here with cardiovascular diseases, pneumonia, stroke, spinal disorders and traffic accidents that also affect younger people, the negative impact of COVID-19 on the life of the most would have been even more put into perspective. However, these other diseases have all been known for a long time, and the media, politicians and society have been accustomed to them psychologically. Corona, on the other hand, is new and triggers nervous reactions, supported by a political-media bombardment. Apparently, for the first time in their lives, Corona also makes many people realize that they are mortal. Political and social expectations demand to do something, and those who follow this call the most are receiving media support, at least at this time.

The distorted perception of the danger from a newly emerging infectious disease threatens to pave the way to a health dictatorship in which almost everything that stands for freedom, joie-de-vivre and pleasure is prohibited. Health and a long life in general are only one value among many other relevant ones and a fulfilled life is not represented by its length. In addition, we also allow people a lot of unreasonableness, simply because they want and everyone knows best what is good for themselves. Nobody – at least so far – came up with the idea of banning smoking, alcohol, obesity, skiing and cycling, driving a car or consuming Nutella and Big Mac, even one could extend the life of many, if all of this were prohibited and controlled by the police.

In addition, families and societies always live forward. Classically, a woman marries a man to raise children together, not to help him take care of their in-laws. The parents exist for the children, not the other way around. The children give their parents a meaning in life, not vice versa. A society never came up with the idea of closing schools and thereby jeopardizing the future of young people (and also of older people) to protect their old people. How one can be inclined to think of stopping education and science to extend the life of 90-year-olds by a few months? All of them deserve our help and respect, but by targeted quarantine, not by paralyzing everyone.

After all, you cannot stop the vital youth. The longer all the prohibitions of amusement and being together last, the more they will be undermined. It then becomes like the time of prohibition, when alcohol consumption migrated underground. Above all, subcultures of young people, of gays, migrants, and all youth in general will not let to take their lifestyle away. Thus, there are secret parties in the backrooms, an exciting cat and mouse game with the police, a little Boccaccio and Decamerone and unlike in the times of the plague, the game is almost without danger for the youth. The prohibitions and the pressures of persecution will only serve to intensify the experience. As to ride a roller coaster. We also have a tradition in the West of the “rebellious wild young man,” from Robin Hood to Gabriele D’Annunzio, Jean-Jacques Rousseau to James Dean, Friedrich Schiller to Andreas Baader, Daniel Cohn-Bendit to Martin Sellner, from left to right and again back. Clandestino and Manu Chao. They were never intimidated by something like this. Resistance is aestheticized. This will be artistically processed for generations to come.

But what do you do in practice? Corona kills people. The problem already exists and cannot be ignored. In rare exceptional cases, young people also become seriously ill and have to be artificially respirated. Most of the elderly survive, but some need intensive medical treatment. The previous political measures are inconceivable as permanent. If there is no medicine, herd immunity or vaccination, how do you want to maintain an open society in the future? Just one example: the interventions proposed by the London epidemiologists around Neil Ferguson would run for one to two years.[16]Ferguson, N. M., Laydon, D., Nedjati-Gilani, G., Imai, N., Ainslie, K., & et al. (2020, 16. März). Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand. London: Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team. And then? The US nor Europe nor Japan are Andaman Islands. Would East Asian countries that have successfully pursued a quarantine policy, cordoning off their countries in the long run? It is impossible in modern times to stop the spread of a virus without vaccination, only a temporary slowdown would be an option.

Instead of running global society into the ground, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups. Not closing schools and factories, restaurants and football stadiums, and if, only for a very short period of time. Prepare hospitals and the healthcare system for an increase in diseases as quickly as possible would be a sensible course of action. The virus will then spread rapidly in the society of the youth and midlifers and set herd immunity at an infection rate of 60 to 70%.[17]Straubhaar, Th. (2020). Controlled infection is the best strategy against the virus [Kontrollierte Infizierung ist die beste Strategie gegen das Virus]. Die Welt, 16.03.2020, www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206586337/Coronavirus-Kontrollierte-Infizierung-ist-die-beste-Strategie.html This protects the risk groups relatively well from damage. Since the pathogen is highly infectious, everything could be overcome within a few weeks. For Italy and England, for example, a study by epidemiologists at Oxford University already predicts an infection rate of more than 50%.[18]Infectivity: Mizumoto, K., Kagaya, K., Zarebski, A., & Chowell, G. (2020). Estimating the asymptomatic proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Yokohama, Japan, 2020. Eurosurveillance, 25(10).

Hellewell, J., Abbott, S., Gimma, A., Bosse, N. I., Jarvis, C. I., Russell, T. W., Munday, J. D., Kucharski, A. J., Edmunds, W. J., working group, C. nCoV, Funk, S., & Eggo, R. M. (2020). Feasibility of controlling 2019-nCoV outbreaks by isolation of cases and contacts [Preprint]. Public and Global Health.

Ansteckungsraten in Italien und Großbritannien: Lourenço, J., Paton, R., Ghafari, M., Kraemer, M., Thompson, C., Simmonds, P., Klenerman, P., & Gupta, S. (2020). Fundamental principles of epidemic spread highlight the immediate need for large-scale serological surveys to assess the stage of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic. University of Oxford, Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease.

But there is no solution without risks. Even if vaccinated, not everyone will be protected. The virus will surely mutate. We have to adapt to the fact that it is in the world and that people die from it. In the past we were forced to deal with the flu. We will also succeed with Corona. In winter 2012/13, between 21,000 and 29,000 people died of flu in Germany – around 25,000 of a total of just under a million deaths in Germany each year.[19]Robert Koch-Institut (2015). Update of the mortality attributed to influenza up to and including the 2012/2013 season [Aktualisierung der der Influenza zugeschriebenen Mortalität, bis einschließlich der Saison 2012/2013]. Epidemiologisches Bulletin, 3, 17–24, p. 19.

Robert Koch-Institut (2019). Report on the epidemiology of influenza in Germany, season 2018/19 [Bericht zur Epidemiologie der Influenza in Deutschland, Saison 2018/19]. Berlin: Robert Koch-Institut, p. 47.
The corona pandemic will increase these numbers, but it will not lead to disaster. The damage to society caused by current policies in the short to long term must be reduced. Politics will surely change soon. The quick decision-makers who have been advancing so far want to be at the forefront again and present themselves as saviors of business and society.

Prof. Dr. Heiner Rindermann is professor of psychology at the Chemnitz University of Technology, Germany. He works on the subjects human capital and society, education and cultural comparison. His latest book „Cognitive capitalism: Human capital and the wellbeing of nations“ has been published in 2018 by Cambridge University Press.

Notes

[1] Ritchie, S. J. & Tucker-Drob, E. M. (2018). How much does education improve intelligence? A meta-analysis. Psychological Science, 29(8), 1358–1369.

[2] Cooper, H., Nye, B., Charlton, K., Lindsay, J. & Greathouse, S. (1996). The effects of summer vacation on achievement test scores: A narrative and meta-analytic review. Review of Educational Research, 66(3), 227–268.

[3] Oesterdiekhoff, G. W. & Rindermann, H. (Hrsg.) (2008). Culture and Cognition: The Contributions of Psychometry and Piaget Psychology to Understanding Cultural Differences [Kultur und Kognition: Die Beiträge von Psychometrie und Piaget-Psychologie zum Verständnis kultureller Unterschiede]. Münster: Lit.

Rindermann, H. (2018). Cognitive capitalism: Human capital and the wellbeing of nations. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Rindermann, H. & Becker, D. (2018). FLynn-effect and economic growth: Do national increases in intelligence lead to increases in GDP? Intelligence, 69, 87–93.

Rindermann, H. & Carl, N. (2020). The good country index, cognitive ability and culture. Comparative Sociology, 19, 39–68.

[4] “Black Death bonus”; Pleijt, A. M. de & van Zanden, J. L. (2016). Accounting for the “Little Divergence”: What drove economic growth in pre-industrial Europe, 1300–1800? European Review of Economic History, 20(4), 387–409.

[5] Johnson, N. P. A. S. & Mueller, J. (2002). Updating the accounts: Global mortality of the 1918-1920 “Spanish” influenza pandemic. Bulletin of the History of Medicine, 76(1), 105–115.

[6] Corona is not yet (12th week 2020) statistically recognizable in mortality rates in Europe, see www.euromomo.eu

[7] 19.03.2020, www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/corona-krise-in-italien-475-tote-an-einem-tag-so-viele-wie-nie-zuvor/25659026.html

[8] 19.03.2020, www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-vo-euganeo-blanket-testing-veneto-luca-zaia-a9411201.html; 18.03.2020, https://kurier.at/chronik/welt/italienisches-dorf-besiegt-coronavirus-testen-testen-testen/400785596

[9] EBM-Netzwerk. (2020, März). COVID-19: COVID-19: Where’s the evidence? [Wo ist die Evidenz?] Retrieved from the EBM-Netzwerk website: www.ebm-netzwerk.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/nachrichten/covid-19-wo-ist-die-evidenz

[10] The Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team. (2020). The epidemiological characteristics of an outbreak of 2019 novel coronavirus diseases (COVID-19) – China, 2020. China CDC Weekly, 2(8), 113–122.

[11] Ioannidis, J. P. A. (17. März 2020). A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data. Retrieved from Statnews website: www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data

[12] 22.03.2020, www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

[13] In some cases, even higher mortality was assumed in flu compared to corona. 0.45% for the flu in Germany 2017 to 2019, 0.2% for the corona virus in Germany. COVID-19: Where’s the evidence? [COVID-19: Wo ist die Evidenz?] Retrieved from the EBM-Netzwerk website: www.ebm-netzwerk.de/de/veroeffentlichungen/nachrichten/covid-19-wo-ist-die-evidenz

[14] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/156902/umfrage/sterbefaelle-in-deutschland; Germany in the Second World War 1939−1945 approximately 6,350,000 war deaths in six and a half years.

[15] Murray, C. J. L. et al. (2015). Global, regional, and national disability-adjusted life years (DALYs) for 306 diseases and injuries and healthy life expectancy (HALE) for 188 countries, 1990-2013: Quantifying the epidemiological transition. Lancet. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(15)61340-X

[16] Ferguson, N. M., Laydon, D., Nedjati-Gilani, G., Imai, N., Ainslie, K., & et al. (2020, 16. März). Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand. London: Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team.

[17] Straubhaar, Th. (2020). Controlled infection is the best strategy against the virus [Kontrollierte Infizierung ist die beste Strategie gegen das Virus]. Die Welt, 16.03.2020, www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article206586337/Coronavirus-Kontrollierte-Infizierung-ist-die-beste-Strategie.html

[18] Infectivity: Mizumoto, K., Kagaya, K., Zarebski, A., & Chowell, G. (2020). Estimating the asymptomatic proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Yokohama, Japan, 2020. Eurosurveillance, 25(10).

Hellewell, J., Abbott, S., Gimma, A., Bosse, N. I., Jarvis, C. I., Russell, T. W., Munday, J. D., Kucharski, A. J., Edmunds, W. J., working group, C. nCoV, Funk, S., & Eggo, R. M. (2020). Feasibility of controlling 2019-nCoV outbreaks by isolation of cases and contacts [Preprint]. Public and Global Health.

Ansteckungsraten in Italien und Großbritannien: Lourenço, J., Paton, R., Ghafari, M., Kraemer, M., Thompson, C., Simmonds, P., Klenerman, P., & Gupta, S. (2020). Fundamental principles of epidemic spread highlight the immediate need for large-scale serological surveys to assess the stage of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic. University of Oxford, Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease.

[19] Robert Koch-Institut (2015). Update of the mortality attributed to influenza up to and including the 2012/2013 season [Aktualisierung der der Influenza zugeschriebenen Mortalität, bis einschließlich der Saison 2012/2013]. Epidemiologisches Bulletin, 3, 17–24, p. 19.

Robert Koch-Institut (2019). Report on the epidemiology of influenza in Germany, season 2018/19 [Bericht zur Epidemiologie der Influenza in Deutschland, Saison 2018/19]. Berlin: Robert Koch-Institut, p. 47.

 
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  1. Great article, the herd is being culled, a natural occurrence.

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  2. Meimou says:

    Instead of running global society into a brick wall, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups. Not closing schools and factories.

    You would think the WHO, CDC, and DR Fauic would tell us this…

    Part if me wants the covid cowards and Trumpstien worishipers to take the Bill Gates vaccine. In the right circumstances they could be used against freedom loving people like me. The covid cowards actually believe tens of thousands of people are dropping like flies and we might
    have a World War Z situation at any moment.

    Trumpstien worshipers are calling for him to enact martial law and round up the “bad guys” when the (((people))) who put him in office see them as the bad guys.

    They are a liability.

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  3. Papertree says:

    “Instead of running global society into a brick wall, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups. Not closing schools and factories.”

    There have been some experts who have been telling us just that. Bruce Aylward, an epidemiologist who led a WHO expedition to Wuhan, said that lockdowns and draconian measures are the “wrong message to take” from the crisis. Sure, lockdowns were necessary in hard-hit Hubei, with 80,000 cases. But in other places, with “hundreds or even thousands of cases…they went back to the fundamentals of public health.” He went on to list testing and screening and isolation of infected people and contacts.

    Lots of people don’t trust China’s numbers, but then, pretty much the same thing was done in surrounding countries like South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. Isolation and contact tracing. None of these places shut down.

    https://time.com/5802293/coronavirus-covid19-singapore-hong-kong-taiwan/
    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/26/821688981/how-south-korea-reigned-in-the-outbreak-without-shutting-everything-down

    Regarding quarantines, Vietnam has actually instituted limited, mass quarantines. Which means infected people, plus their contact, are bussed to facilities–basically dormitories, with room and board provided–which is an improvement on self-quarantine because this scheme prevents individuals from infected anyone they might be living with. Other than this, life carries on as usual.

    The key thing is that all of these countries moved quickly, which was critical for South Korea in particular because it was so hard-hit, caught flat-footed in the beginning. Japan is another case: it did not shut things down for two months, and still has one of the lowest infection rates, but apparently officials are now mulling lockdowns. We shall see.

  4. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    in which almost everything that stands for freedom, joie-de-vivre and pleasure is prohibited.

    I really hope that happens, I want normies to suffer just as much as incels have always done, every last particle of joy should be ripped from their lives.
    Would also be great if the virus mutates and starts killing teenagers and twenty-somethings, a plague that primarily affects the old is pretty lame. Rindermann himself should also croak from it, his ageism against the elderly is repellent.

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  5. Quite a good piece, consistent with my CTFD (Calm the Fuck Down) base-case.

    I don’t like how the author keeps conflating ‘mortality rate’ based on case numbers, with mortality rate as a proportion of the population.

    He keeps using B/A
    where A = {people who get covid19 and get sick enough to test}, and
    then B = {people who die-with covid19}.

    Those are what gives a ‘mortality rate’ of the order of 1-3%.

    More relevant to people not currently in hospital (group A) is
    B/A where
    where A = {people}, and
    then B = {people die-with covid19}.

    Those numbers are much much much smaller (they are O(0.005%) for people under 70).

    I always like to use an example that tilts towards ‘bad’ – as was done the other day for the US state with the highest deaths-per-million population (Louisiana).

    Let’s do Italy.

    Italy, with an overall CFR of 12%, currently with 110k cases and 13.2k deaths (as at April 3).

    Italy is every fearmonger’s case study: it has all the right attributes for anyone trying to over-egg the pudding –
    • biased, ‘died-with‘ counting of the dead;
    • Europe’s oldest population (and greatest proportion of 70+).

    Interestingly, some things that are doing the rounds about Italy (claims of high rates of smoking, high rates of death from respiratory disease) are incorrect:

    • Italy’s death rate from respiratory disease in over65s is lower than the EU average (and lower than the UK, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and a bunch of others that are surprising).
    • Italian smoking rates are the 10th lowest in Europe – lower than Germany, Austria, France.

    But anyhow… they’re very lenient on covid19 and they have more people in the most-affected age group.

    And when all is said and done, the death rate as a percentage of the relevant age-group population calculates out as follows:

    Age :: Death Rate (pop)
    0-19 :: 0.0000%
    20-29 :: 0.0000%
    30-39 :: 0.0003%
    40-49 :: 0.0010%
    50-59 :: 0.0039%
    60-69 :: 0.0157%
    70-79 :: 0.0583%
    80-89 :: 0.1099%
    90+ :: 0.1120%

    How can this be? Simple.

    Age distribution of deaths (Source: ISS Report, 30 March)

    Age :: covid deaths-with
    0-19 :: 0
    20-29 :: 2
    30-39 :: 20
    40-49 :: 89
    50-59 :: 369
    60-69 :: 1162
    70-79 :: 3458
    80-89 :: 3984
    90+ :: 940

    Divided by the relevant population (Italy Population Pyramid, 2019)

    Age :: Cohort Size
    0-19 :: 10843908
    20-29 :: 6135226
    30-39 :: 7100743
    40-49 :: 9225165
    50-59 :: 9453168
    60-69 :: 7391126
    70-79 :: 5935048
    80-89 :: 3626542
    90+ :: 839166

    Important take-away from the Italian data after 3 months of histrionics:

    • the over 70 have a 25x higher unconditional risk of death from covid19, but it’s still a very very tiny number (0.08%) considering that Italian over-65s die at around 302 per 100k (i.e., 0.3%) a year from respiratory illness alone (source: EuroStat: Causes of Death: Rspiratory Disease ;
    • those over 70 who contract covid19, are 7.7× as likely to die as a representative person under 70 who contracts covid19.

    (You need the age-based CFRs for that second dot point – I’m not going to paste them in here because I already know that they will look like a fucking dog’s breakfast because NO TABLES. They can be had at Statista).

    This is ignoring clinically-relevant chronic illnesses, which by itself multiplies risk of death dramatically.

    The non-age-adjusted CFR for people with no relevant accompanying chronic illness has previously been shown to be 0.9% (from the Chinese data), as opposed to 7% for those with 1+ chronic illnesses.

    Now obviously more people are going to die as this thing progresses.

    Oddly, among the population of Vo ‘Euganeo, when they quarantined the 3% who tested positive, fuck-all of them died. Also fuck all of the asymps from the first test developed symptoms; nobody went from ‘exposed’ to ‘infectious’; and no negative round-1 tests developed symptoms. They must’ve got a good batch of tests, I guess.

  6. Hail says: • Website
    @Kratoklastes

    I don’t like how the author keeps conflating ‘mortality rate’ based on case numbers, with mortality rate as a proportion of the population.

    E.g., this by Dr. Rindermann:

    Mortality increases from the age of 50 up to 10% among those aged 80 to 90

    I can easily (mis-)read that to mean that 1-in-10 of all our octogenarians will die, which is not the case. No virus achieves 100% penetration, ever, afaik. (The 2009-10 H1N1 pandemic is estimated to have affected 20% before fading out.)

    _________

    Good calculations and perspective, Kratoklastes. I made some similar calculations/projections and similar points, in another post yesterday, in which I concluded, based on the best available data we now have, the Great Corona Apocalypse of 2020 will very likely be a total washout compared to what the bloodthirsty media wants it to be; it may be the worst flu season since the early 1980s, but likely not by much.

    It’s worth adding the grand-total number of your calculation:

    0.0167%.

    That is the total percentage of the Italian population that has died WITH the novel coronavirus.

    The late March report from Italian specialists that ~12% are confirmed to have died FROM the virus (with the great majority of dying-WITH cases being terminal patients “who would have died anyway,” as they say), means we need a further downward revision: Circa 0.002% of Italians have died FROM the novel coronavirus.

    That’s 2 deaths per 100,000 total population, and odds are both those will be retired-age persons.

    And, meanwhile, Total Death Rate data through March 26, compared to years of running data, suggests no unusual spike in deaths is going on in Italy beyond what is normal there for a flu season. The 2019-20 flu season was remarkably mild, and a slight upward correction is going on.

    It’s time to stop the madness.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @James Stark
  7. Hail says: • Website

    Instead of running global society into a brick wall, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups. Not closing schools and factories, restaurants and football stadiums, even not for a short period of time. Prepare hospitals and the healthcare system for an increase in diseases as quickly as possible would be a sensible course of action. The virus will then spread rapidly in the society of boys to the Middle Ages and set herd immunity at an infection rate of 60 to 70%.[17] This protects the risk groups relatively well from damage. Since the pathogen is highly infectious, everything could be overcome within a few weeks.

    Thank you, Dr. Rindermann.

    One notable thing about CoronaPanic I have noticed:

    Germans make up a sizable share of the notable skeptics (or, Heretics to the sudden CoronaReligion; an apocalyptic, book-of-Revelation-style religion; an ugly religion, if you ask me) among the ranks of experts and specialists willing to come out publicly for the anti-CoronaPanic position.

    I don’t know why this is. Why Germans?

    In any case, we the people of the world are grateful.

  8. A refreshingly life-affirming opinion in consideration of the characteristics of the virus and policy options, conveying an acceptance – indeed, an appreciation! – of the compact intrinsic to life of mortality. Bravo!

    Even as the fatality profile is sparing to vibrant life it’s often a beast to contend with for even the most healthy. Perhaps some effective treatment will be confirmed or found in the near future that will tilt the consideration more decisively toward the perspective expressed here by Dr. Rindermann.

    • Agree: Alfred
  9. “The first thing to be aware of is that these are not the consequences of the “Corona-crisis”, but the consequences of political decisions dealing with it. ”

    More accurately, the political decisions aren’t even aimed at dealing with any pandemic. They are aimed at controlling populations who would otherwise certainly react to the collapse of their economies due to financial fraud openly practiced for the past decades.

    This is a pandemic by bureaucratic proclamation only, with no large numbers of sick and/or dead people. The phony pandemic crisis will only end by bureaucratic proclamation, just as it began. It’s obvious that the depression that this fraud is intended to mask will have struck with full force before any of these government measures are lifted.

  10. Alfred says:
    @Hail

    I don’t know why this is. Why Germans?

    Maybe because they have institutions that have not yet been thoroughly corrupted?

    According to the latest influenza report of the German Robert Koch Institute (pdf in German), the number of acute respiratory diseases has „fallen sharply nationwide“. The values have „dropped in all age groups“.

    By March 20, the total number of inpatient cases with acute respiratory diseases had also fallen significantly. In the age group from 80 years and older, the number of cases had almost halved compared to the previous week.

    I have put a Google translation of entire weekly report here

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @Hail
    , @glib
  11. Alfred says:
    @Hail

    In the same German report we also have a graph breaking down the consultations at a large sample of GP practices for consultations for Acute Respiratory Exposure (ARE). The x-column is the week number – i.e. up to this week. The y-column is the number of consultations per 100,000 of population.

    I really wish this sort of information were available for NYC. 🙁

    If anyone knows a source, I will gladly publish it for them.

  12. utu says:
    @anon

    HBD people are low on HDI (humane development index)

  13. Biff says:

    The whole planet has a Darwin moment…

  14. It is economics-101. The population of this planet is aging at a very steep rate to a point at which 9.9% of the total population had reached the age of 65+years old as of 2019. The 700M aged people on this planet are mostly non-productive and they are a heavy burden on every society economically since they have to be supported monetarily and of course their healthcare costs. So many of the world governments are complicit in this man made pandemic for a reason and that is to purge the undesirables from this planet. Unfortunately a small percentages of the younger age will be sacrificed because of their preexisting health conditions or their compromised immunity. The best solution to apply to this economic challenge is simple and it is the first of law of Darwinism which goes like “survival of the fittest”. In practice, engineering or re-engineering a virus can and will take care of high percentage of the nonproductives with a very high maintenance costs. This novel CV could mutate by design and returned for the next few years until the 10-15 percent (grows over time) of the aged population is eliminated! Perhaps another virus is already being worked on for the next experiment which is away by a decade or two!

  15. Vojkan says:

    Great thanks to Unz.com for publishing such an article. I am happy to see that I am not alone in my opinion. But saying it is “verboten” where I am.

  16. Tom says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I couldn’t agree more. Government and Media love a crisis. If there isn’t one, they’ll create one,
    like Climate Cange. If there is one, (9/11) they’ll milk it for all it’s worth. Unfortunately, there are still 100’s of millions who still trust their government(s) and big Media with the naivety of a child and stupidity of an ape. 9/11 ushered in the Surveillance State and Chinese Virus has rolled in the World Health Police State. As my sage old Bronx friend Tony Linqini used to say: “Who’s shitting who?”

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  17. Beckow says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I always say that mass psychosis starts with two people. Thanks to our one-world media consciousness we have gone quite a bit beyond that and it’s building exponentially. The question is whether it is intentional or an invisible Tolstoy-like march of fate.

    populations who would otherwise certainly react to the collapse of their economies due to financial fraud openly practiced for the past decades.

    In 2008 the financial system – the multiple intertwined pyramids of debt and blind faith in symbols – collapsed. It was not accepted. Instead it was covered up with an abandonment of any restraint on ‘debt‘ for the privileged, and by austerity for the rest. It became impossible for the insiders to lose; a strange development in the history of financial investing. In effect the protected wealthy class was allowed to join the gaming house. And the house never loses. It bought us ten years, so we should be grateful.

    The problem with starting a mass psychosis is that it can’t be controlled. I lean toward Tolstoy’s march of irremediable history as an explanation. Nobody is in charge.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  18. @Papertree

    I’m sympathetic to the good Dr’s article.
    However, as Papertree noted: “The key thing is that all of these countries moved quickly”.
    Some countries have been caught flatfooted. Some have deluded themselves to the last minute.
    Quarantining only those at risk [the elderly] & then allowing society to essentially run as usual IS, itself risky.
    It implies a medical system & government up to the task. It assumes that the virus will not escape into the wider community. Should it escape, what then ? (Are we allowing mass public events such as organised sports ? Open international travel ?)
    How many new infections a day would be tolerable ? We assume the elderly would be relatively safe behind their quarantine — quite an assumption, but let’s accept it. At what point would hospitals start to fill with the “not at risk” groups ? Should hospitals reach capacity, then its a fair guess that those “not at risk” will start dying, simply because their “not at risk” character is to some degree dependent on a functional hospital system ( run out of ventilators & even the healthy can die “In rare exceptional cases, young people also become seriously ill and have to be artificially respirated.”).
    Of course, had this all not been published in the way it has, possibly people would accept the consequences. Just another flu…. But, we can’t go back (Not that I can imagine that a 2nd time round the virus would not have been publicised any differently). The fear is here to stay for quite some time.
    And talk of herd immunity & statistical reality that most deaths are of the elderly & “at risk groups” wont cut it with the public. Politicians are (often where they deserve to be) between rock & a hard place.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  19. Tom says:
    @Hail

    Bravo to the Germans for their skepticism to Coronaphobia, Coronapanic.
    That is remarkable considering their head-in-the-sand collective indifference while watching Germany being utterly transformed demographically.
    Of course, they get it now after that racial horse has left the barn.

  20. sally says:

    Therefore, intensive hygiene and intensive hand washing are not useful in everyday life, except in hospitals. The death of older people with a weak immune system is less due to the flu, corona or pneumonia themselves, but to the weak immune system, which allowed pathogens to damage their bodies. Most probably, these people would die in the foreseeable future, either from one or the other pathogen that has always been there.

    Your article makes a lot of assumptions.. the one that bothers most is presumption virus induced immune response is the pathology that results in death. I am not convinced the immune response is responsible for the deaths.. I think it highly probable that the blood gas exchange is due to a virus initiated modification to one or more components of the blood gas exchange process. and no immunity can be developed to avoid that.

    The issue of human pathology in response to the virus is one thing, but government response to the virus has shown the world how those who are in power in the nation state system[ 206 nation states around the globe] believe they own the masses the governments that populate govern. These so called politicians seem to believe they and only they, should have access to the information that affects the daily lives of everyone. The corona19 pandemic has shown the world why it should do away with every nation and in fact the the entire the nation state system.. Humanity has a right to know and to be involved.

    • Replies: @Meimou
  21. Official US government CDC Centres for Disease Control criteria for labelling a death as being caused by Covid-19
    Pointed to by former New York Times journalist Alex Berenson

    Official CDC guidance for coding COVID-related deaths is as follows:
    Any death where the disease
    caused
    or
    is ASSUMED to have caused
    or is
    ASSUMED to have CONTRIBUTED (even if SLIGHTLY!)
    to death
    Lab tests are NOT required


    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

    Same in Britain … doctor can guess and say it’s covid no proof of any kind


    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

    Hundreds of thousands dead, most all elderly / sick, and some random others
    Hospitals overwhelmed, people treated in tents outside
    Heavy dose of respiratory deaths

    That all happens with annual flu, just never hyped like this, and now it is ballyhooed as-if-new to justify economic shut-downs leading to system collapse

    A legion of medical professionals are saying it’s a fraud … but their voices are drowned out
    (Aangirfan has collated extensive material on her site for those not committed to the ‘it’s real!’ hysteria) –
    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/

    ‘It’s the flu, bro’ … but with a Deep State media PR team

  22. cranc says:

    50 million people died of the Spanish flu in 1918/1919, the mortality rate was between 2 and 4 percent

    If the mortality rate was 2% then that must mean that 2.5 billion people contracted the disease.
    The population of the world in 1918/1919 was 1.8 billion – 700,000,000 less than the required. Even a 4% mortality rate would imply an infection rate of about 70% of the entire global population (unikely).
    Facts matter.
    Only relatively recently have the estimates of mortality rate for the 1918/19 flu pandemic been revised down (previously they were generally agreed to be around 10%).
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

  23. TheTrumanShow [AKA "Twelve Monkeys"] says:
    @Bruce Arney

    Wrong on two out of the three points: it’s not the herd that’s being culled, it’s the world economic system; it’s not at all a natural occurrence – it’s a totally bogus and contrived man-made event.

    • Agree: Alfred
  24. TheTrumanShow [AKA "Twelve Monkeys"] says:
    @Hail

    Yes. Hat’s off to the German and all nationalities of men & women who’ve stood up and spoken out.

  25. Kim says:
    @anon

    I really hope that happens, I want normies to suffer just as much as incels have always done, every last particle of joy should be ripped from their lives.
    Would also be great if the virus mutates and starts killing teenagers and twenty-somethings, a plague that primarily affects the old is pretty lame. Rindermann himself should also croak from it, his ageism against the elderly is repellent.

    What about the jocks and the cheerleaders?! Especially the cheerleaders!

    • LOL: dfordoom
  26. Kim says:
    @Hail

    Germans make up a sizable share of the notable skeptics…I don’t know why this is. Why Germans?

    Because it makes perfect sense. After all, who has suffered more from hoaxes than the Germans?

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  27. Al Liguori says: • Website

    The 2 most likely scenarios are: http://judaism.is/jew-flu.html
    1. China knew of the Anglo-Zionist Bioweapon, took steps to obtain samples to develop counter-measures, and lost containment
    or
    2. The not-as-smart-as-they-think-they-are Anglo-Zionist depopulationists deployed their bioweapon in Wuhan, stupidly messed up their own plan, and the entire world is suffering blowback that would have been predictable to anyone of normal intelligence and good moral principles.

    Likely the second and third order economic and political actions by the Jews will also kill many, just like the nearly 1/3 Billion they killed in the 20th century: http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html

  28. Realist says:
    @Papertree

    Lots of people don’t trust China’s numbers,…

    That’s thanks to US propaganda.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  29. Amon says:

    Okay Boomer, I’ll just go out and suffer horribly so your 401 can stay afloat.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  30. Herald says:

    Great article, the herd is being culled, a natural occurrence.

    The cull certainly seems to have begun. Whether it is a totally natural event is a very different matter.

    • Replies: @Gyre07
  31. Before this thing hit, I was saying “Do they want a revolution? Because this is how you get a revolution”. Where I am, the so-called “Silicon Valley” there’s a tiny, tiny upper crust of “tech” workers and a huge working-class and a huge underclass. Most jobs in “tech” pay about min. wage which is around $15 an hour here, and the trend has been for all jobs but a few to pay less and less until they meet the min. wage floor.

    This was before the bug.

    Now I’m not even going to ask “Do they want….” it’s more like they’re GOING to get a revolution.

    What’s a good analogy? I used to get ants coming inside during the hot season. They’d make ant trails up my walls and across my ceiling, it was nuts. I’d fight them using bug spray etc. My friend said they’re just coming in to look for water, and if I sprinkle some water outside, keep a potted plant or two wet, or something, the ants won’t come in because they don’t even want to, they just need a little water. So I started doing this, and never had ants inside again. No messy ant-war needed.

    • Replies: @David F
  32. a_german_ says:

    Nothing unusual happens, except that media and social network users have lost control over her life in a psycho. manner.

    Breaking down national and international trade chains is much more dangerous. There are a lot of secret services gaining this just by doing her jobs. Mankind has no control over this situation caused by corrupt structures and incompetent negative selection in leadership.

    One more danger comes from the sky, uncertain but possible:
    Lost in flight traffic will clear the atmosphere. This will change sun impact and can trigger storms and a global weather catastrophies.

    If the planet will get rid of us, he will start the extinction in our minds, just for economical reasons.

  33. @Hail

    I don’t know why this is. Why Germans?

    Latent Vril Energy

  34. @Kratoklastes

    Yes, I took issue with the Spanish Flu mortality rate he cites as being 2% to 4% based on 50 million deaths. A rate of 4% would have to be the world population at that time, rather than the 10% mortality of the estimated 500 million infected.

    As for that “Stocks plunge” comment, stocks have fallen back to levels seen a few years ago, while the world’s economic activity has fallen far further. Stocks have a lot of catching up to do on the downside. The overreaction of the politicos have screwed us for at least a decade.

    I use these examples, tracking influenza burden in general since 2010, from the US CDC to put things into perspective:

    Flu was estimated to have killed 35k Americans in the 2018-2019 season, not shown in the graphics.

    source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    So, CV appears to be the Grim Reaper come to call the weakest of us to our maker, but based in the numbers to date, it would not appear to be the civilisation-killer our politicos’ responses have made it.

  35. Anonymous[473] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    The madness is equivalent to an induced coma shutting down the body politic’s brain function so its lifeblood can be drained and transfused into the undead corpse of the international banking cabal. The $billions in helicopter money and $trillions in no-interest/no-liability credit handed to the perps whose greed is responsible for the insolvency of the banking system in the first place, plus the China reset, will result in hyperinflationary depression for everyone but themselves and their minions in government. This is the long sought cut in the West’s standard of living by about half to merge Western nations into the two-tier medico-technical dictatorship answerable to Gates and his ilk, who own WHO and Johns Hopkins, etc. like just so many globalist assets.

    As this new perpetual Global War on Germs replaces the dematerializing Global War on Terror and becomes the “new normal,” mandatory vaccines will contain sterilants and adjuvants, in the latter case known to reduce brain function and suppress self-actuated response to further control—and as Gates has publicly specified, mandatory vaccinataion will require an ink or digital skin imprint certifying compliance and becoming the sine qua non for so much as eating or moving about.

    Yet, instead of immediately investigating the conspiracy-in-fact regarding the simulation in Oct and the Jan 21-24 planning sessions (involving CDC, CIA, State, Gates, Johns Hopkins, and Wall St interests, etc), Congress instead caved in on cue from their billionaire masters after their usual left-right, cardboard jukin’ and jivin’ for TV news. An announcement that our sovereignty is being ceded or creation of a nascent world government is as highly unlikely as it is counterproductive. Instead, Congress and the President will sign treaties ceding America’s sovereignty, initially to an unaccountable transnational medical bureaucracy allocating scarce health care resources according to political objectives, as well as controlining almost all social behavior on public health grounds. If it doesn’t work this time around, it will eventually under the present trajectory of events. On the practical level of implementation, Fauci’s directives causing hospitals to divert critical resources to COVID-19 while prohibiting money earning services for elective surgeries and other non-essential care is causing hospitals to hemorrhage case. This may well bankrupt most hospitals, causing them to accept unrepayable “bailouts” whose workout requirements will amount to nationalization, as will be the case with the strings-attached “bailouts” of America’s industry.

  36. europeloaded.com :Former head of the CIA Mike Pompeo said about the Coronavirus pandemic : “We’re in a live exercise here” , a curious choice of words particularly when a number of people are now calling it a “hoax”, a false flag , a psyop, a plannedemic ,plandemic and a scamdemic .

    themillenniumreport.com: “PLANDEMIC! A painstakingly planned pandemic and staged panic-WHO & WHY” :
    “CIA’s Mockingbird media overhwelms the GLOBAL news cycle with non-stop Coronavirus fake news ”
    Ex-CIA Director Mike Pompeo:” [The CIA] WE LIED,WE CHEATED,WE STOLE, we had entire training exercises…”youtub.com

  37. Anonymous[814] • Disclaimer says:

    Fear of CoNNVirus not so compared to FAKE Mass-Media

  38. Yesterday at the supermarket a Chinese guy got into the line but it was a squeeze. He was masked and looked at me somewhat apprehensively. To “social distance” he would have had to climb on the top shelf in the aisle. I just told him I was not worried about the space between us which surprised him. Anyway we got talking and he told me the only reason he was wearing a mask was because his grandparents lived with him. His Grandpa lived in China when the Japanese invaded and lost every single relative to Japanese bayonet practice, sword technique, hunger and starvation, rape, homelessness and despair. Then after the war ended Mao came along and stripped the people of any “wealth” they retained. This guy’s Grandpa said the Red Brigade beat him savagely with bamboo canes for a thin gold ring which was the only memory he had left of his wife. Subsequently Mao dispatched 67 million people to that happy Chinese restaurant in the sky. His Grandpa, he told me, is absolutely incredulous at the fallout of this virus ! So is the Joker !

    I liked this article but the human problem is this. When emotion tangles with logic, emotion always wins. This shutdown has already ruined many lives and the fallout is just beginning. I would not be surprised if suicides soar. One worker at a local counselling service told me that the patients who would normally get counselling to keep them calm are now stuck at home 24/7. People who would give to the foodbank no longer do so resulting in homeless and destitute people going hungry. With restaurants closed there are no scraps to scavenge in the garbage. One acquaintance of mine who lived high on the hog is now out of work along with his wife and 3 young kids. His boss called him this morning to tell him he is permanently out of a job, the business is done for. What will he do when the big house, the SUVs and expensive furniture get reposssessed, no more expensive dinners or clothes. Will his wife hang around to eat bread and jam and shop at the Salvation Army for their 1 bedroom apartment which he has no money to pay for ? Will his “friends” come around as often ?

    When people start freaking out, will the politicians keep us informed on an hourly basis as to the fatalities ? How about the scientists, experts, shills, TV heads, statistical con men and snake oil salesmen ? Will they attribute the economic and personal destruction to the virus ? Or to their lunacy in shutting everything down ?

    This situation is being pimped for all its worth and one and all can present all the facts, figures and reasons why the whole thing is overblown, over hyped and being overreacted to. However reason and logic is irrelevant. When the herd get going it cannot be stopped until it runs over a cliff.

  39. eah says:

  40. theMann says:

    Another “social consequence” worth considering:

    The American Bishops, without the slightest murmur of protest, bowed down to secular authority and suspended Masses across the United States. Muslims defy secular authority, Evangelicals defy secular authority, SSPX is, at least, offering outdoor Masses, but the American Bishops raced to hop in line to bow down to secular authority. It is not enough that those prancing faggots disgraced their offices with their degenerate behavior and consequent coverups, now they add craven cowardice and the total betrayal of the laity to the State. Here in Texas, Pharaoh Abbott has “permitted” Church gatherings to continue, as long as they conform to his guidelines, but even this was too much for the Bishops.

    How many Catholics have died for their Faith? How many of the laity, Priests, and Bishops, suffered, were tortured, and died before Nazi and Communist tyrannies? How many Catholic martyrs lie mouldering in graves unknown and uncounted? But the mere presence OF A COLD VIRUS is enough for the American Bishops to cancel Masses during High Holy Week.

    Well behold the miracle of Easter 2020:

    The character of the Church in America is revealed, not to God, all-knowing, but to every member of the laity, who now know the nature of their “leadership”. A putrid Heretic commands the Holy See, the Bishops utterly betray the laity through their cowardice, and millions of Catholics in America go along, uncomplaining.

    Well, congratulations to all of them for achieving an immortality of sorts: They will be known, now and always, as the stupendous shit of human history, governed not by faith in our Lord, but by their cowardice.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  41. Emslander says:
    @Twodees Partain

    More accurately, the political decisions aren’t even aimed at dealing with any pandemic. They are aimed at controlling populations who would otherwise certainly react to the collapse of their economies due to financial fraud openly practiced for the past decades.

    It’s the only logical conclusion that can be made from the bizarre appearance of the disease panic only a few days after the FED decided on QE Unlimited. QE was announced shortly afterward, but the decisions had been made.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  42. How one can be inclined to think of stopping education and science to extend the life of 90-year-olds by a few months? All of them deserve our help and respect, but by targeted quarantine, not by paralyzing everyone.

    This over 65 boomer could not agree more. What is being done to our worlds economy is nothing short of criminal. The mental and physical destruction of the younger generations is also now underway. This “plan-demic” is about far more than some stupid virus, and is bringing our entire world down at a blinding speed. If not stopped we will all be living in a version Orwell’s 1984.
    The consequences of the insane acts of our politicians, spurred on by Fear Porn Inc.(MSM) will be far more devastating than any pandemic could ever be. We all have seen many supply shortages in our supper markets due to the spreading of fear porn and panic buying. The problem will only become greater the longer this charade plays out. The latest example of supply chain problems:

    Despite strong demand for basic foods like dairy products amid the coronavirus pandemic, the milk supply chain has seen a host of disruptions that are preventing dairy farmers from getting their products to market.

    Mass closures of restaurants and schools have forced a sudden shift from those wholesale food-service markets to retail grocery stores, creating logistical and packaging nightmares for plants processing milk, butter and cheese. Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working. And sales to major dairy export markets have dried up as the food-service sector largely shuts down globally.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight/u-s-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-as-pandemic-upends-food-markets-idUSKBN21L1DW

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  43. The best analysis of this “plan-demic” you will find:
    The series is titled: THE CREATION OF A FALSE EPIDEMIC

    Episode 1: HOW IT STARTED
    Episode 2: THE MEDICAL CIA, COVERT OPS
    Episode 3: THE TRUE GOAL OF THE FALSE PANDEMIC

    Readers have been asking how they can help. Listen to the presentation, send out the link to others.

    Exposing the COVID-19 covert operation is more important every passing day.

    As always, thank you for your support!

    Jon
    Here are all three episodes in one YouTube. Give it a listen before it is removed.

  44. Mike P says:

    After all those premature doomsday scenarios, finally some sense here on UR.

  45. borders are locked,

    Our southern border with Mexico is locked?

    Somebody tell the orangeman so he can brag about it…

  46. The Coronavirus plandemic agenda :
    1. Study how populations react under stress
    2.Study how populations react to propaganda spread by the massmedia e.g.social distancing (in Europe it’s 1.5 meters , in the US it’s 6 feet)
    3. Mandatory testing for COVID-19
    4.Mandatory anti-COVID-19 vaccination
    5. More surveillance e.g. tracking
    6.More censorship e.g. in Hungary it’s illegal to dispute the government’s Coronavirus propaganda
    7.Cashless society –
    8.Globalization and one world government to better fight the alleged virus
    9.Bail-outs of Wall Street and banks
    10.Billions for Big Pharma , hospitals and the medical supply industry
    11More government control and creeping Communism
    12. Promotion of UN 2030 Agenda
    13.Humans as guinea pigs for vaccine development
    14.Population control
    15Social scoring/social credit
    16Restrict travel and freedom of assembly
    Have I left anything out?

  47. bjondo says:
    @Hail

    Germans make up a sizable share of the notable skeptics….

    They are finally free of Merkel.

    Sorta related:

    Where are you Ted K?

    https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/

    5 dancing shlomos

  48. @Hail

    Clownworld wants to die, I see no problem with letting it do so. Saneworld may rise from it’s ashes. This is my hope.

  49. Agent76 says:

    Apr 4, 2020 We Are Living Through The Biggest Event In Human History Right Now… and It Isn’t Coronavirus

    Mar 31, 2020 National Guardsman At NY Testing Center Says Media Has Overblown COVID19 Pandemic “It’s the Flu!”

    Nov 4, 2019 Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Segment 4, Communications Discussion and Epilogue Video

    Event 201 is a pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  50. Levtraro says:
    @Alfred

    And in the report that you quote the authors attribute the drop in all acute respiratory diseaseas to the measures taken by the governmnt to stop the SARS-Covid-2 pandemic. The authors use the word “pandemic” to describe the current progress of SARS-Covid-2 infections.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  51. vot tak says:

    Not impressed with this author’s article.

    “In addition, families and societies always live forward. Classically, a woman marries a man to raise children together, not to help him take care of their in-laws. The parents exist for the children, not the other way around. The children give their parents a meaning in life, not vice versa. A society never came up with the idea of closing schools and thereby jeopardizing the future of young people (and also of older people) to protect their old people. How one can be inclined to think of stopping education and science to extend the life of 90-year-olds by a few months? All of them deserve our help and respect, but by targeted quarantine, not by paralyzing everyone.”

    In most traditional societies, this attitude of disposable elderly/indisposable youth is dead wrong. Godfree Roberts discussed this about how the Chinese attitude toward their elderly shaped their policies used to fight the virus spreading.

    In modern capitalist manufactured slave societies, the old are considered no longer productive, therefore no longer of any use. While the young are considered highly productive slaves, still with many useful years ahead of them. This is the view of the oligarchs and their yes men. Capitalist production must not be sacrificed because some of the slaves will die. The slaves are expendable, there is always more to fill the ranks. The important thing is that the profiteering must continue.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  52. @Kratoklastes

    In other words: old people’s problem. As was obvious from the start.

    Great comment as usual, thanks.

  53. Some time in the hopefully not too distant future it will be obvious that the political (and economic) cure has been much worse than the disease. But truly, the politicians of the world had no choice but to shut everything down. Next time we must make sure that this choice is not available to them. Somehow we must make sure that no one has the power to do this ever again!

  54. Nonsense says:

    Israel is a warm sun state, you have to compare with similar countries such as Egypt, Jordan, a.s.o. .

    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  55. Coronavirus is the greatest hoax/scam since the zionists created their privately owned FED and foisted it onto Americans, and now they foisted another equally destructive fraud on the American people, go to davidicke.com and thetruthseeker.co.uk and henrymakow.com and see the truth for yourself.

    • Agree: Agent76
  56. Agent76 says:

    Apr 4, 2020 Massive Police Response To Child’s Birthday Party During Lockdown

    LAPD sends out a massive response to a child’s birthday part because 40 people had gathered in one place. Meanwhile, a woman was arrested in NYC for violating social distancing guidelines and a Judge in Kentucky is ordering 2 Coronavirus patients to wear electronic ankle monitors so that they can be tracked.

    • Replies: @Alden
  57. I just want to thank the author and several of the commenters for providing a small island of sanity in the current sea of mass hysteria.

    Unfortunately, I feel we are through the looking glass in terms of rolling back the global lockdown and returning to semi-normality via targeted quarantine.

    The fallout from switching off the global economy will be felt for years, possibly decades to come.

  58. @theMann

    I’ve thought about this too. Hopefully this means that God has had enough already with the post-Conciliar abomination masquarading as the Roman Catholic Church. With the cult of Vatican II out of the way, maybe the Traditional Catholic faith can return.

    I have plenty of resources at home: a 1945 Roman missal, the Douey-Rheims septuagint with side-by-side English and Latin, the Summa Theological and the Summa Contra Gentiles.

    Other generations have preserved the faith with less.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  59. Alfred says:
    @Levtraro

    authors attribute the drop in all acute respiratory diseaseas to the measures taken by the government to stop the SARS-Covid-2 pandemic

    And was that also the case in previous years? 🙂

    Please be realistic. I told you already that it is a scam. The data above proves it is a scam for Germany. I am not interested in what (politically-motivated ?) explanation is given in the report. I follow the data. I am not interested in the interpretations of the “experts”.

    Just look at the scary things the media in Germany is reporting – while ignoring the data that I presented. I think you prefer this version of reality. I give this example because it is in English. The versions in the German language are even more scary.

    More than 2,000 medical staff infected with coronavirus in Germany (thelocal.de)

    If you prefer the interpretation of the “experts” just watch CNN and its ilk. Dr Anthony Fauci is a good man to follow – please ignore all his previous wrong predictions for other infections. 🤣

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  60. Couples are going to find out how much they really love each other. Lots of births over the next 9 to 15 months and court dockets clogged with domestic violence cases.

    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  61. @Meimou

    The global society needs to be run into a brick wall, but not this way. The global society runs on open borders and unrestricted access to markets.
    In the 50s in elementary school, measles, chicken pox, and mumps were rampant, with a handful of polio cases and of course colds and flu. There were more kids that got these diseases than not, and no one died, although a couple of kids with polio had muscle or limb damage.
    When my own kids went to elementary school, kids still, rarely got measles or mumps, but vaccinations had reduced the number. The other diseases – colds and flu – were still widespread. Life went on.
    The fact is, in days before widespread vaccinations the people who were the sickest, young, old, or in between, had compromised or weak immune systems. Nothing has changed, except the chemicals put into our food chain, which have been shown to be toxic, yet remain legal. These chemicals assault our immune systems on a daily basis and weaken them. Add the over medicating by Big Pharma prescriptions, which cause unknown immune system damage, and you have a recipe for disaster.
    There’s a lot that needs to be done. Stopping the global society is necessary for our survival.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  62. Alfred says:
    @animalogic

    Quarantining only those at risk [the elderly] & then allowing society to essentially run as usual IS, itself risky.

    Crossing the street when the little green man is displayed is also “risky”. Do we ban that as well?

    The biggest risk of all at the moment is that the economy in the USA is crashing. It is going down at a much faster rate than what happened in 1929. In the 1930’s millions of Americans died – but the history books written by the survivors don’t tell you that. America was a much more homogeneous society than it is today.

    In a few weeks, we will see people killing one another at a much faster rate. Already, the suicide rate for males is breaking records. It will be a repeat of what happened to the Soviet Union but at a larger scale.

    From now on, the suicides will be in the very places that were spared in the map below.

  63. @Meimou

    “Trumpstien worshipers are calling for him to enact martial law and round up the “bad guys”

    The chinky-chinky is concentrated in cities, just like democrats are. Sorry to piss all over your idiotic theory.

  64. Another sciency essay devoted to spreading ruling class fear. The laboring classes might come up short on their tribute. Worse they might try to do something about their debt bondage. Can’t have that.

  65. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Sensible article at the Unz Review for once.

    The public response to Covid19 is a government orchestrated panic to cover the greatest financial heist in world history. There should be hangings in the Rose Garden, on Capitol Hill, on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, and outside London’s Palace of Westminster.

    The only appropriate public response to the virus would have been to advise old folks in less than perfect health to take their vitamins and quarantine themselves until the flu season ends.

  66. @9/11 Inside job

    I did leave something out :
    17. Destruction of small businesses and family farms -greater monopolization by large corporations such as Amazon and Walmart

  67. @Kratoklastes

    I am an example of the “with Covid”, although it is not actually Covid.
    For those who are old enough to remember the Mantoux test for TB, I tested positive for it in my 20s. I never had TB previously, was asymptomatic, had never been, to my knowledge, anywhere near anyone with TB, and a chest X-Ray showed no trace in my lungs. As a precaution, I was given a vaccine.
    Depending on how they kept statistics, I may have “recovered” or been “cured” of TB without actually having it.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  68. The truth as spoken in unguarded moments about the Coronavirus plandemic:

    TRUMP: “It’s a HOAX”
    POMPEO: “We’re in a LIVE EXERCISE here”
    and tweeted:
    TRUMP : “COVFEFE” which in fact equals COVID-19

    • Replies: @gfhändel
  69. @Papertree

    The key thing is that all of these countries moved quickly

    Some governments showed competence. Many showed pathetic incompetence. The latter includes the US and the EU.

    Bad thing: the deaths will spike up.

    Good things: 1) globalism is dead; 2) Atlantic and European solidarity were shown for what they are: propaganda lies; 2) borders are restored and would likely remain restored; 4) coronavirus worked as a reality check: several governments demonstrated their competence, including China, South Korea, Russia, Singapore, Vietnam, whereas the ones that habitually teach others were shown to be pathetically incompetent.

    So far good things outweigh bad things, but the price is pretty high.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  70. Gizmo880 says:

    Fantastic article.

    I have no idea if this ‘pandemic’ is just a natural thing or if it was intentionally done. At the beginning I wondered why the death rate was so low if it was intentional. This is no Captain Trips, not even close. After seeing what has happened to society, though, if this was done on purpose, it was well thought out and brilliant.

    If the intent was to merely seize more power and control, they have certainly succeeded. The sheep right now are so scared they will accept anything the talking heads on TV tell them.

    If the intent is to really cull the population substantially, it’s equally well thought out. If some catastrophic and real pandemic had been released suddenly on the world’s population, anarchy and chaos would have ensued and countries would have been torn apart and burned to the ground. The world really would have been left looking like one of the endless end of the world movies shoved on us the last 30 or so years. However, if something really, really bad is released into the world right now, the sheep are so scared and hiding in their homes that the result will be more isolation instead of rioting and the elites won’t have a destroyed world after all this is over. Very well thought out.

    As a final thought, if this was done intentionally, all of the sanitizing of anyone who dares speak the truth from any corporate media sites certainly makes sense now. Try doing a Google search on Coronavirus hoax and see what comes up. Article after article about how crazy those conspiracy nuts are, and how you shouldn’t listen to anything they say because the ‘experts’ assure us this is real and we are being looked out for…lmao at even typing that last part. Also, try finding anything substantial on the Sandy Hook ‘false flag’. The internet has been almost completely scrubbed free of the truth about that event, and many, many other events that weren’t what we were told they were.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  71. Agent76 says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    You do have great insight 9/11!

    Feb 18, 2013 Corporatocracy, Globalization, An Empire Expands

    A short video clip from the Documentary Zeitgeist: Addendum, in it a Corporatocracy is explained. “A Incredible cozy relationship between Government and Corporations”

    • Thanks: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  72. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Most couples dont love each other much when times are good ! When times are bad the distaste for each other surfaces sooner rather than later. My neighbour is a waitress with two kids one a baby still nursing. She is out of work and Daddy has vanished into the sunset after cleaning out the joint account. With the “social distancing” and nowhere to go being confined together will be like storing gasoline and spontaneous combustible materials in a pressurised compartment.

    And there may be no court dockets or arrests for domestic violence, everybody is missing in action including the police and judges who are releasing thousands of prisoners and asking NOT to be called for minor crimes. Children’s Aid and Child Protection is CLOSED. You are quite right, the wife beaters, child abandoners, dead beat Dads and other nutballs and Ne’er do Wells now have a free ride. Interesting times await us !

    There are few strong men or women today capable of holding a family together. As I have said many times in my comments on this site, we have become a majority of pussies, pansies and fruitcakes who collapse at the slightest obstacle and misfortune. God help us in the times ahead.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  73. Charles says:

    The panic was instigated b/c there is (up to the morning of April 4) no vaccine. When a vaccine is developed this will very suddenly be “back-burnered” by the MSM, then forgotten.

  74. Alfred says:
    @The Grim Joker

    My sentiments precisely. Thank you.

    I have lived through 2 revolutions, a war, and host of other things. The panic in the West is almost incomprehensible to me. I am solvent. I never had any debts. For myself, I have few concerns. But watching this unfolding is more riveting than any movie that I have ever seen.

    I have read plenty of disaster stories, but I never thought that it happen through the media.

  75. @Twodees Partain

    Along with your insightful conclusions, it is beginning to seem clear to me that these policies of “Social Distancing” and “Sheltering-in-Place” are designed, not so much for health reasons, but to prevent upset citizens from getting together and organizing.

    All rallies are banned, and, if they proceed at all, they must go underground, and hope that the police don’t break them up. I quit watching all TV, but my wife still does, and every time we are in the same room the idiot box constantly bombards the sheeple to not only wash your hands, but that it is imperative we remain 6 feet apart, and STAY HOME.

    Walmart and other grocery stores have adopted social distancing measures with, in some cases, would be shoppers standing outside in long lines waiting to get in. What happens if it is cold and raining? Too bad for them, try again later.

    The bottom line is that a rebellion by the young is sorely needed. But, with our youth transfixed by their smart phones, the road ahead looks dim. Where is James Dean when we need him?

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Twodees Partain
  76. @Monty Ahwazi

    The current life expectancy in Somalia is 57.5 years. The average birth per fertile female rate is over 6.
    There many more Somalias in the world.
    The 9.9% of world’s population over 65 is out of context. Clearly, there are a crapload of countries where few people reach the age of 65, but have high birthrates.
    What we are really talking about is the “European” world having the high numbers of people over 65. Your notion of us being “non-productive” is the typical response of not understanding how economies work. I saved for my retirement, as most of us did, through a pension plan and personal savings. I will be the first to admit, I live comfortably, and have disposable income, most of which I dispose. In other words, I’m buying crap that I don’t really need. That keeps people employed and adds to the economy.
    Irrespective of the country, the government sponsored pension plans (like social security) are plans that I have paid into over my working life. Some of those plans have been mismanaged, and/or altered to provide a benefit to those who should not receive one. It is those people who are the burden, not me. Unnecessary immigration has caused a burden at all ages, and on top of that, remittances from the immigrants suck hundreds of millions out of our economies to the benefit of the corrupt shit-holes the immigrants came from.
    I’ll go one further. Before the (((US/UK))) economic model, which includes mass 3rd world immigration, was imposed on the world, most of the European countries saw unemployment as a bad thing. Why? Because the unemployed stop buying things. They cut back to the bare minimum. They don’t go to restaurants or spend big on birthday and Christmas gifts. The (((US/UK))) economic model sees unemployment as a good thing, because it suppresses wages and increases profits. Mass 3rd world immigration is the answer to suppress wages, as is de-regulation for the non elite. Every country with mass 3rd world immigration spends billions on the immigrants who are non productive. That is the real problem, not people over 65.

  77. @brabantian

    Thank you for your comments. I tend to agree. Ron Unz deserves praise for publishing this contrary analysis. This is true ‘diversity’, in the very best sense of the word.

    Ron Unz himself has taken an informed but opposite position on this pandemic (https://www.unz.com/runz/the-government-employee-who-may-have-saved-a-million-american-lives/) yet Mr. Unz is willing to allow his readers to examine views/evidence that directly challenge his own. Bold. Objective. Even-handed. Unbiased. Truth-seeking.

    Highly commendable!

    Thank you, Ron Unz.

    • Agree: Erebus, Meimou
  78. @9/11 Inside job

    You can bet the insiders, megacorps, and central bankers were well positioned to make billions on the recent crashes as well as the Fed’s ludicrous efforts to reinflate the market bubble.

    They are going to turn those billions right around to snap up any assets in sight for pennies on the dollar.

  79. @Nonsense

    Well lets look at Guyana a country that sits on the northern part of the South American continent. Population is 750,000 with a blazing temperature all year. The country abuts the Amazon and is poor with poor sanitation. The capital which is below sea level consists of a maze of trenches and canals that serve as open sewers draining the effluent from septic systems. Frequently, other trash, dead animals and murdered humans are also conveniently deposited in these waterways. There in Guyana you can find the following diseases: Malaria, filaria, yellow fever, dengue, Chikunga, black water fever, ague, dysentery, bush boils, flies that lay their eggs in your skin, poisonous insects and frogs, ring worm, intestinal parasites, zika, chagas disease which eats the flesh of the face and other diseases yet unknown. The country fronts Venezuela, Brazil and Suriname with border lines that are lost in a wilderness of jungle that has never been trampled by a human foot, white or Indian.

    The country is about 50% black which means murders, robberies, beatings, machete attacks, rape, child molestation, auto hijacking, acid attacks, immolation, assaults with firearms, knives and other weapons run into the thousands. Go to the market to buy meat and watch the flies buzzing around the butcher stalls or the vendor who scratches her armpits before selling you those juicy tomatoes.

    The country is now shut down because of Corona. Total deaths =4. Now we add insult to injury. Here we come now to the dishonest reporting. When the death toll was 1 person and another person died ( a 79 year old obese woman) “Corona virus ravages the country. Death toll increases by 100% in one day”. When the third person passed away “Corona virus out of control. Death toll rises by 50%, persons told to social distance”.

    In a country where human life is of little value, where the population is immune to some of the most deadly diseases in the world, the whole place is closed down. How come ? In a country where the heat is immense year round and is supposed to “kill” the virus, the country is shut down. How come ? Well, you see, there is international money to be had “battling” the virus but you gotta declare war on the virus. The problem is that millions received for grants in “The War on Corona” like most things in that country tend to end up being used for other things and in other places, like Swiss Bank Accounts ??

    If there was no money on the table there would be no emergency. Is it any different in any other country in the world, hot, cold or temperate weather ??

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  80. @Amon

    Better, you should quietly commit hara-kiri now.

  81. eD says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    This is Vernon Coleman’s take, but actually what we are seeing is more consistent with the opposite interpretation, that the economy is being crashed to keep the olds alive.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
    , @Mehen
  82. Today’s companion piece on the website discusses phobia of the power of Jewish cabal. How interesting then to see this piece on coronavirus being discussed by a German.

    China, the most likely culprit in brewing and spreading the noxious cocktail became prosperous only in the last three decades or so. Its prosperity is directly attributable to the rise of Jewish cabal in the US, who insistently have been tearing down the American industrial power while helping assiduously to build up China. While weakening the body politics of the West, it knowingly or unwittingly has created the virulent pathogen called modern China.

    Now this deadly “disease” is mortally threatening Europe and America. Are Germans to blame for any of this? One would think that if Germany hadn’t let loose the monster of this cabalistic power, America would not be in it grip today with which it may be destined to be destroyed by a frankenstein. Only time will tell!

    • Replies: @E_Perez
  83. @brabantian

    I hope that many of Unz Review readers watched Tucker Carlson skewer 79 year-old Anthony Fauci last night. Tucker showed clips of Dr. Fauci recently claiming, shortly before the virus hit, that it was nothing special to worry about. Only now Fauci has done an abrupt about face, opining that we must STAY HOME indefinitely, as he talks down Trump’s attempts at optimism.

    Truth is that Dr. Fauci, far from being consistent, has been all over the place with his assessments. Rather than my trying to explain it further, see Tucker’s comments, available on YouTube. Perhaps Fauci’s aging brain is more like Biden’s.

    • Replies: @Hail
  84. @Agent76

    Unfortunately it was learning that 9/11 was a false flag/psyop/staged deception that gave me some insight as to what is going on now and how once again the massmedia is being used to brainwash people. Fool me once(9/11 psyop) shame on you, fool me twice(coronavirus psyop) shame on me .

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  85. @The Grim Joker

    I’m no fan of Mao, but the narrative is reminiscent of another post WWII narrative. I’m surprised his grandfather hadn’t hidden in a chimney.
    By the way, did you know more French civilians were killed by the All-lies in Normandy during their “liberation” from the evil Nazis than died during the 4 year occupation?

    Aside from that, you are quite correct about the fallout. After the greatest wealth transfer in history is complete, people will emerge from their lockdown, and will be absolutely thrilled by the new wave of vibrant diversity that will be “needed” because of the 6 million Covid deaths caused by the evil Chinese.

  86. Sean says:

    Superb. I will be purchasing Prof. Dr. Rindermann’s book forthwith.

  87. Writes Mark Higdon:

    The first personal tragedy of the government’s ginned-up HuFlu “crisis” has arrived at my doorstep.

    A close friend (known well to me) of my daughter just lost her husband to a massive heart attack. He was only 42.

    His widow is a stay-at-home mom with a six-year-old special-needs child. Her late husband’s job was decreed “non-essential”. He had been laid off indefinitely.

    His survivors are now at risk of losing their home. They have lost their income entirely. Any life insurance is inconsequential. They lived at the margins as best as they could, devotedly focused on their son, who arrived into this world two months early.

    Word is that this poor guy was intensely stressed by the loss of his job: due to arbitrary, unconstitutional government decrees.

    How many more like him are out there? Or will be?

    Mark

    • Replies: @Alden
  88. @9/11 Inside job

    Your number 11 and number 17 are the same thing. It’s all about defining the commune. Wall Street and Congress are already owned by the commune. Brainwashed Americans equate finance capitalism with free enterprise, they are not the same. Small businesses, which includes family farms, are free enterprise and the enemy of the finance capital commune whose sole purpose is to control enterprise using its capital.

  89. Levtraro says:
    @Alfred

    Essentially, the drop in all acute respiratory diseases reported in the report you quoted does not support your theory that the pandemic is a scam in Germany. That’s all you need to understand or discuss with me.

    Maybe it is a scam as you assert (you could ellaborate on who are the scammers, their motivation, etc, it is a complex hypothesis you are defending). But the report you quote to support that, does not support it, because as the authors of the report state, the drop is due to lockdown measures taken by authorities.

    I have a few more seconds for you. Looking at the raw data is narrow-minded. Raw data needs interpretation, best through modelling.

    I was joking with people around me when the lockdown measures were started to be implemented. I said: who is thinking about all the other innocent bugs? Because of this lockdown to slow the spread of SARS-CoVid-2 all the poor other innocent bugs will also be affected. My joke is becoming true of course, the report you quote shows that the other viruses, those that I named to you in the other thread where I corrected your mistake (influenza A, influenza B, rhinoviruses, etc) are having a hard time finding human hosts.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  90. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    The latest expert to come out decisively and completely against CoronaHysteria, against the shutdowns, is a German specialist working in America, Dr. Knut Wittkowski (PhD, Computer Science, Univ. of Stuttgart, 1985; DSc, Medical Biometry, Univ. of Tübingen, 1993) who has almost thirty years of recognized expertise in epidemiology and biostatistics. Listen to this man.

    Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University’s Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

    While saying we should take measures to protect the elderly, Dr. Wittkowski slams the media-led CoronaPanic position again and again, such as here:

    Wittkowski: With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So it’s very important to keep the schools open.”

    Interviewer: What do you make of the policy that was enacted in the United States and England in most places throughout the world this this policy of containment the shelter in place etc what’s your opinion of it?

    Wittkowski: Well, what people trying to do is to “flatten the curve,” I don’t really know why, but what happens if you flatten the curve you also prolong to widen it, and it takes more time.

    I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary.

    Video of the interview:

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  91. Alfred says:
    @vot tak

    Capitalist production must not be sacrificed because some of the slaves will die.

    This has nothing to do with any “ism”. It is nature. It was like that earlier on and it will return to that state very soon. We had 100 years with lots of cheap oil and we could afford to have dysgenic societies in many countries. That is why IQ peaked around 1970 for 18 year olds in places like Norway. But all that is now over.

    This fake pandemic is designed to speed up this process. Soon, we will have to decide whether to give the scarce food to the kids or to their grandparents. I think that is a no-brainer. But maybe it will be different in your family. If it is, your family line will disappear. 🙁

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
    , @Kim
  92. Hail says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    I am glad to hear Tucker has snapped out of it and is getting back to normal. We need more voices willing to fight CoronaPanic head on. The tide is turning.

    As for Fauci, his name deserves to be remembered in shame.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  93. Alfred says:
    @Levtraro

    Since we disagree, I suggest that you and those who agree with you proceed with locking yourselves in. Meanwhile, those who agree with me get on with their normal lives. That way everyone is happy. 🙂

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  94. Hail says: • Website
    @Alfred

    See also,

    Total Death Rate data for European countries through 2020 Week 13 (reflecting deaths through about March 26, varies slightly by country). Even with data through about March 26, we still have no real evidence coronavirus is the mass-killer the bloodthirsty media has wanted so desperately for it to be.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Thanks: Sean
    • Replies: @glib
    , @Alfred
    , @Robert Dolan
  95. @The Grim Joker

    If there was no money on the table there would be no emergency.

    There are absolutely enormous financial interests at play, and there are more of those interests than just the big banks.

    Big Media and Big Pharma have billions at stake in this crisis. Pharma has vast profits to be gained from the development of an exotic new vaccine. The media has ratings and ad buys to consider with regard to the current panic and vaccine ad buys from pharma.

    Those billions are why proper investigation and analysis of existing, available medicines are being slow-rolled as much as possible.

    I also think it very possible that, if the Dems somehow retake the WH, this entire panic goes right down the memory hole. Suddenly, they will find the death rate numbers were vastly overstated and the Corona vaccine is just an add on to that year’s flu shot.

    “Nothing to see here folks, return to your homes, go back to sleep!”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  96. All the “free” internet the people can handle so they can be spied on. The digital nannys said that being connected would make us productive in perpetuity. Probably through the use of our permanent records.
    See the rich have never and will never give up anything. Notice how good information is so difficult to come by? The cadre of “journalists” like Tucker Carlson or the author of this article explain that we are engaged in a “corona culture war” not really a class war in case that thought ever occured to you.

  97. Well?
    Everything follows the pattern of Doppler effect.

  98. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @9/11 Inside job

    I did leave something out :
    17. Destruction of small businesses …

    That looks to be the biggie. Amazon, Starbucks, Walmart, etc., must all be licking their chops as they work out how to scoop the market vacated by the collapsed independent retailers.

    If Trump doesn’t want to go down as the biggest shit in the History of American politics he’ll have to print trillions more than he’s printed already to get those corner stores back in business.

  99. melpol says:

    Food will stop arriving in US big cities in a larger pandemic. Hungry Urbanites will be riding and walking to the Rural farmbelt for food. It remains to be seen if country folks will share their food supply. Some predict blacks and whites will be wrestling over a turkey leg.

  100. glib says:
    @Alfred

    Maybe because they have institutions that have not yet been thoroughly corrupted?

    A good guess. I follow health care practices around the world and note the independence of the medical sectors of Japan and Germany. Merkel or Abe may be puppets but there are independent medical cadres in each nation, publishing papers that, if properly publicized, would generate billion dollars losses for Big Pharma. They offer cures to limit the spread of cancer that also do not make Big Pharma rich.

    It goes without saying that the (advanced) nation where medical institutions have been most completely captured is Italy. There has to be a connection to current events, namely, that the directive to assign every death as covid if covid is present, that directive must have come from abroad.
    Mexico and Chile are similar, but their status as colony is more explicit.

  101. glib says:
    @Hail

    Hail, I would take those data going forward with a grain of salt. The update Week 12-Week 13 was anomalous. Whereas in the prior two weeks (I followed the site since around March 13) the page was just updated (the system must be completely automated after 10 years), during that update maps back to week 10 were changed retroactively (you can easily compare the current map of week 12 with the one at Off-Guardian, retrieved March 30).

    The Italy z-scores disappeared for at least 12 hours. After they reappeared, they showed a big jump in the last week. Z-scores of different colors were posted without explanation.

    What I am going to do is wait a few weeks, then plot the (expected) z-score jump against the CV deaths as quoted by the Protezione Civile web site. If the data have been tampered, the two curves will not be parallel to one another.

  102. Dino says:

    This has been the most sensible article I have read in last few weeks. Specially the argument that we live forward and not backwards. Yes carona virus might be dangerous for people with suppressed immune system, the panic and shutdown is going to take massive toll on everyone. Like the author pointed, if you are old and not healthy and living only coz of advancement in the medical science, it is practically not living. Problem is that conservative politics mostly bank on older population and hence it is very difficult for the current administration to ignore their bases. If they do not quarntine masses and let elders die, there is no way rebuplicans can win. If they quarantine and let economy die, it’s going to be socialism again, which means we have Democrats ruling one way or the other.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  103. Alfred says:
    @Hail

    Thanks Hail.

    I think numbers that are real are scary to “believers”. It is a bit like waving a cross at a vampire. 🙂

    I really wish the Americans had similar statistics. Their public health system is atrocious. That is why their toll of sexually-transmitted infections is on par with Black Africa. The wealthy think that they are immune to these infections.

    It is amazing to what lengths the media will go to hide these numbers. The same thing happened with weather data in many places. In Australia, they simply removed the high temperatures of the 19th century from the official record. In one notable instance they claimed that since the temperature was taken on a Sunday – when the weather station was supposed to be closed – it did not count.

  104. Hail says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    this is a pandemic by bureaucratic proclamation only

    I would say, by Media Proclamation.

    Never have I been more convinced of the accuracy of the phrase, “The Media is the Enemy of the People.”

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  105. Gyre07 says:
    @Herald

    The only statistically-significant ‘cull’ is that of our citizen’s expectations of leadership and civil liberties.

    • Replies: @Herald
  106. @Hail

    I saw that graph on The Public Space.

    JF has come around to thinking the reaction is way out of proportion.

    • Replies: @Hail
  107. It is not left or right, it is the zionist kabal against us.

  108. Alfred says:
    @Curmudgeon

    When I was at primary school in Egypt, I envied the boys who had their tonsils removed. I thought it was really cool – a part of growing up. These kids were given ice-cream and that made sound like a great idea.

    Some boys also got “influenza”. That sounded like a really desirable French disease. Again, I was out of luck and never caught it. But I did get typhoid, paratyphoid, mumps, measles, whooping cough, trachoma and probably some more things.

  109. Alfred says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I am in a similar situation. They used to test for anti-bodies and only give the vaccine to those with no antibodies. I tested positive.

    A doctor friend told me that the bacteria is probably surviving in my lungs and that if my immunity drops for some reason, it may reassert itself. It is latent and not active. I am not doctor so I am not sure if I understood her correctly. Apparently 1/3 of the world’s population is like that.

    Antituberculosis IgG Antibodies as a Marker of Active Mycobacterium tuberculosis Disease

  110. @Dino

    Totally disagree. You are trying to blame boomers.

    This had nothing to do with boomers. Trump has done NOTHING for his base and he has no intention of doing anything for his base.

    The Jmedia cranked up the virus because the small hats have an agenda, not boomers.

    Wall St. raided the treasury yet AGAIN for TRILLIONS of dollars. Boomers get $1200.

    The (((police state))) is going into overdrive, implementing all sorts of control protocols. Has nothing to do with “boomers.”

    The nose also sees an opportunity to crash the economy, impose socialist controls, and maybe even get rid of Trump. Again, has nothing to do with boomers.

    I discovered long ago that everything that boomers get blamed for are things the jews are actually doing. I caught on to it regarding immigration especially, where lying assholes blame “boomers” for open borders when JEWS wrote the legislation for the Immigration Act of 1965.
    Ann Coulter says, “We never voted to become mexico,” and she is RIGHT.

    The boomer blame is ALWAYS used as a mechanism to SHIFT blame away from the JEWS who actually did the nation wrecking.

    That’s why I get so pissed at Anglin and Enoch for their constant idiotic boomer bashing. They think they’re being funny, and they kowtow to their young demographic that hates older people, and in doing so they perpetuate falsehoods and divert attention away from the nose. I’ve often speculated that they are taking nose money to spew boomer hate.

    • Replies: @Alden
  111. @eD

    No rush! Many places are reaching an ultimate decision to allow herd infection & death vs care for all! As it already happened in Italy and the case in US is in progress and very soon hospitals have to make decisions as who should live and who to die! Economy has not really cashed but it has suffered a great deal at the expense of protecting all those who are productive and wage earners and not old moochers! The goal is to eliminate the entitlements around the world regardless of their contributions over the past many years! Unfortunately some people are xenophobic and blame it all on the immigrants! But they never ask themselves as to why majority of immigrants do immigrate from their birthplaces? There never was a single complaint in the past when the educated people were immigrating and causing brain drain in their own birthplaces. So their society was fallen behind on making any progress every year! Anyway, people who have been displaced and families who have killed because of many imposed wars for the past 2-3 decades have created many homeless around this planet! They do immigrate just to get back at the aggressors in a quiet way! So let’s stop the madness hoping things may get better for the next generations!

  112. SafeNow says:

    “A health dictatorship in which everything that stands for freedom is prohibited”

  113. Hail says: • Website
    @Robert Dolan

    The more relevant graph is Italy’s, and it, too, shows no evidence the “new coronavirus” is particularly deadly. Their peak for excess deaths is about where their flu season hit in 2017.

    Data increasingly suggests the epidemic in Italy has peaked, especially with warmer weather now, it is going to go into terminal decline, rising and falling as all flu strains (or combinations of flu strains active concurrently; “flu seasons”) do.

    It’s unclear whether total excess deaths will even exceed the 2017 flu season even for worst-case-scenario Italy. The bloodthirsty media wanted it to be 50x, or 100x worse than a bad flu season, but it turns out it may be equal to a bad flu seasons that came and went several times recently. Or, maybe it will end up being 2x as bad, and that in its worst spot. And if so, still no big deal, frankly. It happens. Some flu seasons are worse than others.

    This was all an enormous mistake.

    • Replies: @Hail
  114. Jsinton says:

    Actually, your numbers on the Diamond Princess are inaccurate and misleading. 4100 people total were on board during the epidemic. Of those 732 tested positive. Of those, 321 had symptoms. Of those 10 died. And those were old people. That leaves a .24% fatality rate. Normal flu season is .1% So your point of COVID-19 being more deadly but not too much is valid. If the people aboard ship were average world age, maybe even less than .1% fatality rate is possible. I’m waiting for the fatality numbers on the Teddy Roosevelt.

  115. There are as many Covid-19 cases as needed to steal the election from Trump.

  116. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    This was all an enormous mistake

    I keep wondering how it happened.

    Charitably, it was a mass delusion.

    There are a number of individuals who share disproportionate blame. Foremost to blame is, to me, without doubt the bloodthirsty media (and, frankly, I think key media figures do deserve prison sentences for this; they recklessly and selfishly engaged in a quasi-criminal conspiracy to stoke hysteria; they yelled ‘Fire!’ in the proverbial crowded theater).

    The blanket-shutdowns are totally wrong and counter-productive and always were. The remaining CoronaPanic-pushers need to come around; we need to move on and re-open, as soon as possible. I was hoping Trump could be talked into holding the line on the Easter Reopening plan, but that seems a long shot, if not impossible now.

    I can hear some voices saying, “But surely social distancing was helpful, in some way!” Even that rearguard position looks shaky at best.

    Of interest thereon, from anti-CoronaPanic alarm-sounder Dr. Knut Wittkowski:

    [29:40]

    Interviewer: You’re saying [social distancing] is going to…extend the epidemic and create the second wave we are being told to fear.

    Knut Wittkowski: Yes. The second wave is a direct consequence of social distancing.

    We already know that the social distancing cost the US taxpayer two trillion dollars, in addition to everything else that it costs…it also has severe consequences for our social life, and depression is definitely something that will be surging.

  117. ken19 says:

    From what I am witnessing the discussion of IQ is moot.

  118. swamped says:

    “The corona pandemic will increase these numbers, but it will not lead to disaster. The damage to society caused by current policies in the short to long term must be reduced. Politics will surely change soon”…unfortunately this is hardly a sure thing; even though, unquestionably, current policies will Surely damage society – & individuals – severely. If ‘the personal is political’ then maybe some decisions surrounding the Wuhan plague scare will have to be made that way. President Trump set the tone when he read updated CDC recommendations for wearing masks in public & then promptly announced that he would not wear one himself. So, for the moment anyway, all freedom has not been sacrificed to the mass hysteria surrounding the plague scare. Maybe the new identity politics will be philo-plague vs. anti-plague. Certainly, this thoughtful article is a useful correction to the stampede to more lockdown & lockup policies favored by most governments & the fake news. More such opinion in both government & media would be very welcome.

  119. @Tom

    They certainly do love the crisis they created this time. The media talking heads are so obviously phony that I don’t see how TV addicted people can believe them, but they do. After swearing off of TV news in ’01, I can recognize the rhythms of speech they all use.

    Regular TV watchers don’t seem to notice anything wrong with the way the announcers talk, and they just kind of go into a trance when a broadcast starts.

  120. Sadly, Prof Rindermann’s sensible analysis looks unlikely to play a part in public policy. Governments have decided with (so far) broad public support to meet the pandemic with an enormous inter-generational wealth transfer.

    People of working age are going to endure unemployment, damaged careers, higher debt etc for years to come. That sacrifice is being used to save people near the ends of their lives from dying of pneumonia this year; they will die of cancer or diabetes next year instead.

    For fun, let’s try a back-of-envelope calculation on how much each life-year saved will cost in the UK. GDP is about $2.7T (Wikipedia). Let’s say it shrinks by 10%, i.e. $270B in the impending depression.

    Let’s say the saved lives are extended by 100,000 life-years (e.g. 100,000 people die one year later). That comes to $2.7M per life-year. I didn’t say it was an *efficient* transfer!

  121. Sean says:
    @Hail

    Prof. Dr. Heiner Rindermannt

    The lack of respect and subordination to qualified people in the rest of the West is in stark contrast to the Teutonic convention for stating all the qualifications one has. The problem, does not exist in Germany and Austria. There, if you have two Phds you are addressed as Doctor Doctor. Unfortunately, Merkel’s doctorate is in a type of chemistry akin to physics, and as we all know, physicists consider themselves masters of all the sciences.
    —-
    “Restaurants are not allowed to enter”?

  122. @Beckow

    I think it’s intentional. The way it was launched certainly looked like earlier campaigns in the media.

  123. Levtraro says:
    @Alfred

    I don’t have a problem with that.

    It’s not right to force people not to do stupid things.

    Also, with the amount of people following the scientific advice, the number of replications of the little bug decreases substantially.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  124. @jhan

    Yes we know what spreads this particular SARS virus. The average humidity level of Chinese farts are below 45 RH. This increases (((“RO”))) in Chinatowns and Jewish Burroughs across the globe. If you look at the map in L.A. County California the highest level (((“RO”))) areas are closest to the coastline where humidity is high but also has high gay areas, and Diaspora Globalist Enclaves. LOL

  125. Chinaman says:

    The choice is not between quarantine or to let it spread.

    The author fail to mention that some countries like Hong Kong, Korea and Japan did not require a complete lockdown to stop the spread of the virus. ( at least before foreigners brought in the virus)

    what caused the difference between the transmission rate in the west and asia?

    Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it. The fact that such common sense preventive measures is rejected by the populace in the west, to their own detriment, say much about the average IQ And irrationality of these people.

    It is interesting that the democratic governments in the West have to legislate the mandatory use of mask in the public during the Spanish Flu and took the draconian measure of putting those who don’t in jail.

    Once again, testament to the point that the only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Wally
    , @Hibernian
  126. Anonymous[473] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    That’s an interesting take, and some sites are now showing photo after photo of Fauci, Birx, Gates and their like hobnobbing with Hillary, Pelosi, and the Dems, which is a conspiracy-in-fact and no longer dismissible as a mere conspiracy in theory.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  127. E_Perez says:
    @Really No Shit

    One would think that if Germany hadn’t let loose the monster of this cabalistic power, America would not be in it grip today with which it may be destined to be destroyed by a frankenstein

    Huh?
    The (((monster))) was let loose by the Anglo-Saxons, destroying the only white tribe who saw it coming and continues to be fed by them up to this very day.

  128. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @The Grim Joker

    It’s the same story in China, apparently. Lock-downs raised the number of applications for divorce without doing anything to raise the birthrate:

    Divorces skyrocket in China amid lockdown

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @dfordoom
  129. Democracy is as democracy does. There are no troops in Moscow, Beijing, or Wuhan. US troops just entered New York City. No doubt to promote civil liberties. Shouldn’t proponents of the US democracy be happy?

  130. SBaker says:

    It ain’t about social consequences.
    China’s Strategy
    The corona Virus travelled the entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai… can anybody shed some light? Chinese Stock Market didn’t crash….American and European Markets did…Destroy other markets and be ready to capture them in every way.
    THE GREAT CHINESE STRATEGY
    1. Create a virus and the antidote/vaccine.
    2. Spread the virus.
    3. A demonstration of efficiency, building hospitals in a few days. After all, you were already prepared, with the projects, ordering the equipment, the labor, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and stocked in an impressive volume.
    4. Cause chaos in the world, starting with Europe.
    5. Quickly decimate the economy of dozens of countries.
    6. Stop production lines in factories in other countries.
    7. Cause stock markets to fall, then buy companies at a bargain price.
    8. Quickly control the epidemic in your country. After all, you were already prepared.
    9. Lower the price of commodities, including the price of oil you buy on a large scale.
    10. Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Buy what you negotiated cheaply in the crisis then sell at inflated prices to countries that have had their industries paralyzed.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  131. Alden says:
    @Agent76

    Don’t forget the guy arrested for paddle boarding off Malibu beach.

    It’s a plot to destroy the economy of the entire world. I’m trying to figure who will benefit when it’s all over. Or maybe Soros just wants to go out with a bang.

    According to the WSJ, burglaries of closed businesses are up by 75% for March in NYC The stores are boarded up with plywood but are covered with graffiti which is unsightly. With the police under orders to not arrest anyone crime will rise as people realize they won’t be arrested and tried.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @dfordoom
  132. refl says:
    @follyofwar

    All rallies are banned, and, if they proceed at all, they must go underground, and hope that the police don’t break them up

    There have been calls for sanitized rallies. Announce a regular, possibly daily fixed hours when people may by chance walk by at the same place in the center of your city. Carry a copy of your constitution, if possible, plus a cardboard which your demand that civil rights be protected. Carry protective gear if it should be mandatory in the place you are in. You may tell the police, if they stop you that you have left your home on an important mission, which is to protect your country from possible destruction of civil rights.

    Keep away from fellow manifestants the required six feet. Do so daily, possibly with appointment on the internet for special larger rallies on certain days of the week.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  133. @CanSpeccy

    Russians make jokes about everything. Here is one about stay-at-home quarantine.

    Stayed at home. Out of boredom started discussing various subjects with my wife. Discovered that she is an intelligent woman.

  134. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Most covid deaths in Italy, Canada, Washington State, and probably most if not all other places are of old people in care homes.

    How can that be? In a care home, aren’t folks effectively already in quarantine?

    Simple: care home workers bring the infection to the people. Most Covid19 deaths could thus be prevented by daily testing all care home workers with an rapid immunological test. The cost would be about one millionth or less of what has already been pissed away by Trump and Trudeau and others intent on buying re-election.

    As it is, thousands of old folks will continue to die at least a few months prematurely due to the ambition and corruption of our ruling elites.

    And if SBaker at #135 is correct, then the Chinese in their wilely strategy to take over the world anticipated and relied upon the corruption of our elites.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  135. @Hail

    With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity.

    While not a respiratory illness, this is what i have been saying about the phony MMR vaccines they pump into infants. Millions were said to have died from measles during the 19th century. While there were claims that measles, as late as 1959, killed more children than polio. I had measles pre 1960, as did most of the kids in my elementary school. None died. It seems to me that “the herd” was building resistance. I have no doubt I’m full of some types of Corona virus, as I’ve had many flus and colds over the last 71 years, but not every year, and I don’t get vaccinated a flu season.
    Some unfortunate people, those without underlying medical conditions, have weak immune systems and are affected by anything that happens to come along, or even do not heal well from nicks and scratches.
    It’s all about your immune system.

  136. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    At times Chicago seems to be a ghost town with just a car here and there, an occasional pedestrian and a fair number of joggers. It’s a very strange time as I nonchalantly walk around and notice the fearful body language of others who are out, hugging the wall or in the street to avoid getting anywhere near anyone else. OK, maybe older and sicker people need to be cautious but most of those trembling in fear appear to be low risk types. They’d probably walk around in hazmat suits if they had one. This supposed ‘land of the free, home of the brave’ is inhabited by a bunch of scared rabbits. Back in ’03 there was a run on duct tape due to some WMD terror hype. Some swarthy, mustachioed evildoer might fly a crop duster, dumping toxins on people in the middle of the country. No wonder they can sell any and every war to this public as spreading democracy and all things good. Now that they’ve honed their tools it’ll all be available for the next ’emergency’.

  137. Peter Frost says: • Website

    Let’s take school closure as an example: An almost overwhelming number of studies has shown that schooling promotes intelligence and knowledge, around 3.40 IQ points per year. …
    [Because of the COVID-19 crisis] You can count on about 0.08 to 0.12 IQ points per week of missed lessons. … In the long run, this leads to less innovation, economic growth and prosperity and to more social tensions, crime and poverty

    When I was a kid, most adults did not go beyond high school. My mother left after Grade 10. Yet they were very knowledgeable and read considerably. My mother had a small library of fiction and nonfiction books and could discuss a wide range of topics. Furthermore, our town had a very low level of crime, and only one police officer. Most people had good jobs, and the level of social dysfunction was low.

    I’m aware that IQ tests show a large increase in mean IQ over the 20th century, i.e., the Flynn Effect. But that increase was not real. People just became more accustomed to taking tests and giving standardized answers to standardized questions. We now have a culture of tormenting children with “extreme testing.” If good marks are key to getting a good job, people will allocate more mental effort to that task. But that reallocation of mental effort is not an overall increase in intelligence.

    Look at popular culture over the past century, or even the past half-century. Is the vocabulary of books and magazines larger today? No, it’s smaller. Are sentences more complex? No, they’re simpler and shorter. Are the plots of movies more complicated? No, they’re simpler.

    In any case, the Flynn Effect is ending throughout the Western world and is even reversing in Scandinavia, England, and Austria, although people are spending more time at school than ever. Schooling can no longer deliver even the illusion of increased intelligence, and the word ‘illusion’ here is no exaggeration. Woodley and Fernandes (2016) showed that the Flynn Effect did not primarily occur on the general and heritable intelligence factor of g, whereas the current reversal of the Flynn Effect is occurring on g.

    Reference

    Woodley, M.A., J. Nijenhuis, and R. Murphy. (2013). Were the Victorians cleverer than us? The decline in general intelligence estimated from a meta-analysis of the slowing of simple reaction time. Intelligence 41: 843-850.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
    , @Sean
  138. @Hail

    You and me both. Tucker’s show was the only one I watched, and I recently quit taping it only a few days ago. He was becoming tiresome spouting the mainstream narrative on C-19 night after night. I’ll give his show another try next week to see if the old Tucker has returned.

    Is the tide turning? We’ll see.

  139. Anonymous[473] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    That strategy, mutatis mutandis, could be applied to Wall Street as well, given that the China reset probably amounts to destroying rather than rebuilding America as a prerequisite to moving the center of power in the world to China under the international banking cabal’s control. Point 3, about the pre-cut hospitals, sounds a lot like the b.s. on TV news, throwing smoke in our faces about bringing critical medical manufacturing home while in the background industrial manufacturing is allowed to die and complete the transition to China.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  140. @Anonymous

    Further proof that the Democratic and Republican parties are “two wings of the same bird of prey”

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  141. David F says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Not sure that was a good analogy, as I dont understand what I was supposed to take from it other than a cool way to deal with ants.

    • Replies: @Mehen
  142. @Alden

    Who benefits?

    Wall St. gets TRILLIONS.

    Police state goes into overdrive.

    Economy tanks, maybe Trump will get blamed.

    Who ALWAYS benefits?

    Every. single. time.

    • Agree: Desert Fox, Agent76
    • Replies: @anon
  143. SBaker says:
    @The Grim Joker

    China’s Strategy
    The corona Virus travelled the entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai… can anybody shed some light? Chinese Stock Market didn’t crash….American and European Markets did…Destroy other markets and be ready to capture them in every way.
    THE GREAT CHINESE STRATEGY
    1. Create a virus and the antidote/vaccine.
    2. Spread the virus.
    3. A demonstration of efficiency, building hospitals in a few days. After all, you were already prepared, with the projects, ordering the equipment, the labor, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and stocked in an impressive volume.
    4. Cause chaos in the world, starting with Europe.
    5. Quickly decimate the economy of dozens of countries.
    6. Stop production lines in factories in other countries.
    7. Cause stock markets to fall, then buy companies at a bargain price.
    8. Quickly control the epidemic in your country. After all, you were already prepared.
    9. Lower the price of commodities, including the price of oil you buy on a large scale.
    10. Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Buy what you negotiated cheaply in the crisis then sell at inflated prices to countries that have had their industries paralyzed.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  144. @9/11 Inside job

    Agree, demonrats and republicons and they all prostrate themselves to the satanic zionists.

  145. anon[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The devil in miss Jones benefits

  146. eD says:

    “And if SBaker at #135 is correct, then the Chinese in their wilely strategy to take over the world anticipated and relied upon the corruption of our elites.”

    A Batman Gambit!

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanGambit

    However, I think the batman gambit went the other way. A western intelligence agency let the virus loose in China, in the expectation that the CCP would freak out at the biowarfare attack and lock down China. The Chinese lockdown was then used to justify the lockdown in western countries, which was the real goal of the operation.

  147. The point about the way we the CDC guidelines on Covid and what causes death is the biggest problem with this whole fiasco. All models are wrong, some are useful. If the data going into the model is crap, the model is crap.

    If a 4th stage lung cancer patient dies in a car wreck, he is listed as an Auto Death,
    The same patient dies in a hospital, but also has Covid, he died from Covid.

    No, Covid just pushed his 2nd leg into the grave.

    With the way we are counting Covid deaths, we will have cured cancer, heart disease and dementia as none of these are going to be listed as cause of death.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  148. David F says:
    @brabantian

    “Hundreds of thousands dead, most all elderly / sick, and some random others
    Hospitals overwhelmed, people treated in tents outside
    Heavy dose of respiratory deaths

    That all happens with annual flu, just never hyped like this, and now it is ballyhooed as-if-new to justify economic shut-downs leading to system collapse”

    I dont know where you live, but in the US, it does not happen all the time that hospitals are overwhelmed and treating people outside in tents. The only time I can recall hopsitals being overwhelmed is during natural disatsters.

    Hard to take someone seriously who makes statements like that.

  149. Quickest way to make a million bucks.

    Make and sell Ass-Masks.

    • Replies: @Biff
  150. Mehen says:
    @eD

    As one commenter once put it;

    “If you think the greedy criminal gangsters who run our government are willing to destroy the economy because of their heartfelt compassion for the old and sick, I’ve got a bridge to sell you”

  151. @Anonymous

    I don’t think they’re trying to shift the power center to China. Godfree Robert’s wet dreams aside, China is ill-suited to be a global hegemon. Rather, they’re trying to recraft the existing order into regional bodies (not unlike 1984). This requires dissociation of the American and Chinese economies and reconstruction of American manufacturing. This controlled demolition is the first stage. The Americans and Chinese (and Russians) are collaborating, although of course there will be turf wars and flare-ups along the way. Put differently, the realist faction of the oligarchs is winning over the globalists.

    • Thanks: Iris
  152. Alden says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The widow will get social security for herself and her son. Ends for the son at 18 rest of her life for her unless she remarries.

    About the house. She should move the son into her bedroom and rent out the other bedrooms. She should invest the $200-$500 to join a credit rating agency to check on the tenants. With everybody being laid off try to get government workers. Not Asians because they will move 3 relatives into the bedroom they rent. Not blacks because. Put in the lease no overnight visitors more than 2 nights Because lots of people try to move friends in. If any relatives and friends get laid off they might be possible tenants.

    Horrible so sad

  153. @Monty Ahwazi

    This is a very likely scenario, yes. But I think the main objective carries much higher stakes than trimming some old-age welfare programs. The oligarchs know that they’ll never get one-world government still this stage (liberalism is failing around the world, like communism did), so their next-best option is divvying things up into regional blocks (the Cold War on steroids).

  154. How My Local Grocery Store Transformed into East Germany
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    Our local Lake Jackson H-E-B is getting more insane by the day. It’s astonishing to see our once-friendly neighborhood grocery store transformed into an authoritarian hell-hole. And, like all authoritarian systems, it is at its core devoid of any logic or reason and in fact it operates at blatantly cross-purposes to its stated goal.

    [MORE]

    Case in point. It was a relatively rare cold and rainy day in Lake Jackson today. I needed just a couple of items for dinner tonight so I went down to HEB as I often do. Instead of allowing us to enter through the one remaining set of open doors into the store (they closed the other entrance), in their infinite wisdom they decided that to help prevent us from getting a cold (Covid-19) they would make us walk IN THE COLD RAIN all the way down to the other end of the (closed) store and then double back through the (outdoor) garden section before we were forced to stand in a line (with stickers on the floor reminding us where we are allowed to stand) and wait – IN THE COLD RAIN – until they decided to allow us to get our carts and go into the store.

    So to avoid a cold, they forced us to endure the kinds of conditions (cold and rainy weather) that are almost guaranteed to give us a cold!

    And we stood for a good five minutes in this long line waiting for a former bagger or maybe checker (with an armed police officer at her side) to allow us to enter the store. You can see in the photo the next two people in front of me – they came into the store arm in arm, husband and wife. But as soon as they saw the signs they, like sheep, separated from each other the required six feet. They obviously have no understanding of the rationale behind the (absurd) social distancing policy! They just put their heads down and obeyed.

    While I was waiting in this long line, in the cold and rain, to be allowed the privilege of entering their store to spend my hard-earned money, I wondered why they were holding us up. What could it be? Was the store totally packed full? Was there a run on ground beef? Beer? Bleach?

    But no! All of a sudden this former bagger or checker started waving us through in the most dramatic fashion, as if we were racing for the last helicopter out of Saigon before the fall. RUN RUN RUN!!!!

    We got into the store and it was nearly empty. There was absolutely no practical purpose to keeping us waiting in the rain and the cold for the green light to enter the store. It was just on a whim.

    The HEB employees who just three weeks ago had treated us as valued customers and consumers, deserving of respect, had suddenly been transformed into Rolfe from the Sound of Music, and our lovely local grocery store with friendly service had been transformed into East Germany.

    Suddenly those who formerly served us had all become TSA agents, cogs in the national security wheel. The checkout stations had been transformed into the dodgy convenience stores in the inner city – encased in plexiglass – with surgical-masked employees madly spraying cleaner and disinfectant at a frenzied pace, checkout station to checkout station.

    Scowling workers with their surgical masks – “you bastards better do what we say or else!” My little store had been transformed into the worst of commie authoritarianism overnight. And the customers seemed thrilled to be treated badly and pushed around, as they increasingly donned their surgical masks and gloves – “oh how exciting!! Just like in the movies!!!”

    All this for a cold virus that has thus far taken a grand total of ONE life in a county of 374,264 people.

    This is NOT about a virus!

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    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  155. Biff says:
    @Priss Factor

    Quickest way to make a million bucks.

    Start with two…

  156. Alden says:
    @Robert Dolan

    1965 the oldest boomers were 19 and the youngest 2 years old. 1967 Philadelphia plan, first move to end testing aptitude and qualifications in hiring oldest boomers were 21 years old. 1968 affirmative action, oldest boomers were 23, youngest 5 years old 1970 affirmative action beneficiary Hispanic race created by EO Nixon oldest boomers 24 And the beginning of the end for Whites Griggs 1973, the oldest boomers 27, the youngest 10.

    The greatest generation did it all. And all but a very few Congress critters were White men.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  157. Alden says:
    @SBaker

    Trulia and other real estate sites show California real estate prices plummeting. All of China wants to move here. So when no Americans can buy and everyone is desperately selling the population of China can move over here cheaply.

    But how many taxpayers will be left to load the EBT cards up every month so we can keep buying Chinese crap at Walmart and 99c store?

    • Replies: @SBaker
  158. @Alfred

    Alfred,

    Re: “But maybe it will be different in your family. If it is, your family line will disappear.”

    Unless you meant, “If it is, your family line will NOT disappear”, or meant “If it is NOT, your family line will disappear” — I’m missing your point. That is, if a family does not have to decide who gets the food, then that family has some strength left in it and will not disappear, yet.

    Regardless, I fully agree with your general point about the purpose of the fake pandemic.

  159. @Robert Dolan

    Yup, I have seen exactly this. It is truly demoralizing how quickly people have fallen in line. Clearly I’ve been naive in thinking Americans have lost the ability to think; I doubt they ever had it in the first place.

  160. @follyofwar

    Bingo. Keep people from congregating and that will block the right to assemble in order to oppose government overstepping of constitutional boundaries. That’s the plan, obviously. Seems that the biggest corporations are going along with the distancing nonsense. Smaller chains around here just let customers come in at will. WalMart plays the game, expecting their own cut of the bailout.

  161. @Hail

    True, media is the government’s ally. That reveals the fact that our government is an enemy as well.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  162. @Peter Frost

    Re: “… the Flynn Effect is ending throughout the Western world and is even reversing in Scandinavia, England, and Austria, …”

    Could it be that the (deliberate, engineered) indiscriminate 3rd world immigration is working.

  163. Mehen says:
    @David F

    Most infestations are due to critters looking for the basics.

    These infestations can be held outside the home if we just give the critters a pittance outside the home.

    If you don’t see any relevance to the growing inequality in our country I can’t help you.

  164. Agent76 says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Be sure and check this out.

    Mar 16, 2020 CONFIRMED! 5G Forced Installation In Schools Nationwide During COVID-19 Lockdown

    Guys, you need to get involved and do anything you can to spread this information.

  165. Kim says:
    @Alfred

    Of course. Cheap oil allowed us to defy nature, physically (e.g., airplanes) and socially (e.g., feminism, niggerism, etc.). Either fast or slow, we are now going to see a reassertion of the values more normal to an energy-poorer world. Reality will grind all of these modern fantasies to dust, in particular the realities of local wars, hunger, thirst, and the need to belong to a tribe that you can rely on and that demands your allegiance and obedience.

  166. Agent76 says:

    Mar 18, 2020 Fleet of white vans behind school

    Wednesday, March 18th. First day schools are closed… Letter from school board member regarding the covert installation of 5g in schools.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @bjondo
  167. sally says:

    “..political decisions have many serious consequences, affecting the majority of people in the long term and affecting society as a whole…” <==thanks HR

    Yet only a very few people were allowed access to the knowledge then known, allowed access to the narratives about what the politicians proposed to do, and even fewer were allowed access to the models that predicted what would happen (the massively strangling outcome) if this or that solution were sought.. . and imposed.. and no one not a part of the select few had any input at all.. Even now physicians are being fired for speaking out.

    It is the nature of the nation state system that the most corrupt and the most anti humanistic among us, rise to the top of the political heap, yet it to those few corrupt and anti human beings, we the meek entrust our lives, allow to determine our futures, and follow as corrupt and inhumane lead us to a proper future for the generations yet to be born. <=such is nonsense.. and should not be tolerated. and demonstrates in technicolor the fallacy in any non open society political system. Maybe in the days before the Internet, when only important, high born people mattered, Neanderthal politics was acceptable, but in todays world it is not only objectionable but also highly destructive to human progress and human survival.

    The first failing is homeland security <= get rid of those quacks now. In all of its quackery, Homeland Security either never planned for this eventually, or alternatively, the viral agent was its way of bringing the world to the knees of those in charge of the nation state system and its satellite nation states.

  168. @Alden

    Celler and Javitz wrote the Immigration Act of 1965 and organized jewry lobbied for many years to have it passed. There were NO OTHER GROUPS PUSHING FOR OPEN BORDERS. ONLY JEWS.

    Ted Kennedy was window dressing, a drunken stupid shabbos goy sellout that went along with his jewish masters.

    Kevin Macdonald reveals an in depth study of this topic in Chapter Seven of the Culture of Critique, and he uses the Congressional Record as proof.

    This same method continues today….jewish money pays for policies that are “good for the jews,”
    policies that are detrimental to the goyim. In point of fact, it is nearly impossible to cite even ONE instance where white people have benefited from any government policy, while it is quite simple to cite numerous instances where jews have benefited from government policies. Jewish money fuels BOTH “sides,” Israel always gets massive assistance, non-whites get preference due to jewish influence and coercion, homosexuality and transexuality is forced onto the western world by jewish media, etc.etc.etc., I could write a ten page treatise on this from the top of my head but I’m not in the mood for it.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  169. Agent76 says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    These links will give you great insight.

    2.3 TRillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 9/11/ 2001

    SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 Defense Business Practices

    Secretary Rumsfeld and other officials talked with reporters about the need to refine the Defense Department’s business practices. An opening ceremony will kick off Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week. They answered questions from members of the media

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

    September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century “What Really Happened”?

    New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

    • Thanks: 9/11 Inside job
  170. @Twodees Partain

    The zionists control both the media and the government and have since 1913 when the zionist owned FED took control of America and of course the zionists created their IRS, the two sides of the iron trap that closed on we goyim.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  171. @Agent76

    Agree, this all laid out in the book Under an Ionized Sky: From Chemtrails to Space Fence Lock Down by Elana Freeland and her site is elanafreeland.com, the book can be had on amazon.

    Another site that deals with 5G and chemtrails is stopthecrime.net by Deborah Tavares and she has a youtube channel, both of these women are very very brave, for as Voltaire said; it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  172. Wally says:
    @Meimou

    said:
    “Trumpstien worshipers are calling for him to enact martial law and round up the “bad guys” when the (((people))) who put him in office see them as the bad guys.”

    – You’re a simple minded liar in the grips of TDS.

    – Those of us who recognized / recognize that Trump is much better than the alternatives “call for” nothing of the kind.

    The “racist” “China virus” description that everyone used:
    Establishment Media Repeatedly Used ‘Bigoted’ Phrases to Refer to the Coronavirus: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/11/15-times-establishment-media-used-bigoted-phrases-to-refer-to-the-coronavirus/

    Comrade Cuomo: years of taxpayer waste, amid deepening coronavirus crisis in New York
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-critics-highlight-years-of-taxpayer-waste-and-mismanagement-deepening-the-coronavirus-crisis

    • Replies: @Meimou
    , @NobodyKnowsImaDog
  173. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    Lots of people don’t trust China’s numbers,…

    That’s thanks to US propaganda.

    Agreed.

    • Agree: Biff
  174. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Of Canada’s 5 million plus over 65’s, only six or seven percent are in care facilities, yet those in care facilities account for almost half of Canada’s Covid19 deaths.

    Clearly, then, if you want to be rid of Granny soon, put her in a care home.

    Covid19 is killing so many because a few old people are incarcerated in care facilities and nursing homes where the staff bring the corona virus to work with them.

    Among other things, this suggests that national differences in covid19 deaths likely depend in large part on differences in quality of care home management. Where, as in Canada, many care home workers are part-timers, probably on minimum wage and without fringe benefits, home inmates are exposed to an unnecessarily large number of employees, some of whom work part-time at more than one care home. Such conditions minimize professionalism among workers and maximize the risk of infection being introduced from the outside community into care homes and transmitted from one home to another.

    Almost certainly mandatory unionization of care home workers would have spared Canada a large proportion of virus deaths. Instead of shedding crocodile tears for the elderly dead while imposing measures to destroy the economy, government ministers should be speaking about the need for care home reform.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  175. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Grim Joker

    I would not be surprised if suicides soar.

    I’d be surprised if they didn’t.

    Not just suicides, but more deaths from substance abuse and in the case of the elderly lots of deaths from despair, fear and loneliness. We’re going to get a mental health pandemic out of this.

    In Australia we’ve had a grand total of 34 deaths from COVID-19, but we’re still under virtual house arrest so it’s likely that deaths from hysteria-induced suicide and loneliness will outnumber deaths from the virus.

    It’s not just the deaths that the hysteria will be responsible for but also long-term mental health problems and social disintegration. We’re going to be a much more miserable, much more lonely and much more fearful and paranoid population.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  176. The parents exist for the children, not the other way around.

    This is the western way of looking at things and a minority view considering that westerners are a small minority of the global population. In the East people have kids so that they will look after them when in their old age.

    Instead of running global society into the ground, one has to protect and quarantine the risk groups.

    In the West most old people were quarantined anyway in old people’s homes and retirement communities even before this coronavirus came about, and even when going on holidays on those cruise liners catering mainly for the old. Even many old people who live alone don’t socialise much and only go out to acquire the essentials. I don’t think many old people go to discos, bars, or congregate where the youth go. A few who live at home in extended families are exposed through family members. But why should any still firm and fit be deprived of getting fresh air and going for a walk in the park or even socialising if they wish to do so? They can take the risk and pay the price just like the reckless youth who engage in all sorts of hazardous behaviour. Some of the attitudes coming to the fore in this crisis stink of ageism under the guise of protecting “vulnerable groups”.

  177. Sean says:
    @Peter Frost

    I would say on average intellectual ability is likely declining The average young person places more value on superficial things rather than being inner directed with intellectual attainment than previous generations. Being a nerd is anathema. Which is surely reflected in their choice of who to have children with.

    When I was a kid, most adults did not go beyond high school. My mother left after Grade 10. Yet they were very knowledgeable and read considerably. My mother had a small library of fiction and nonfiction books and could discuss a wide range of topics.

    My parents are solid working class background, my mother is smarter than my father and he told me that and her lack of a ‘past’ was part of what attracted him, although I doubt her looks–or his–were any hindrance to them getting together.

    My nephew is a high tech engineer and living with a girl who does the same job he does. Opportunities for that kind of associative mating would not have existed a few generations ago. The intellectual elite may be getting nerdier and fewer in number with advanced education’s effect in diminishing the number of children a woman has. I do wonder if the knowledge class are perhaps increasing in G even as they become fewer. I believe Charles Murray is of the opinion that a sort of caste system is forming in the West. The population as a whole could be declining in intelligence alongside a rise in the intelligence at the top.

    There is tremendous respect for advanced qualifications in Germany, I think there may be an especially large genetic G gain among the German elite even as it declines. A defence freeloader, Germany certainly seems to have the best model for coping with the type of crisis that is unfolding, having more intensive care hospital places per head of the population than any country in the world. Being an MD in Germany is like being a teacher in Finland: it is so tremendously prestigious that only the best and brightest need apply. Meanwhile other Western countries having spent on military white elephant adventurism have been caught with their pants down. I don’t know that Rindermann is speaking from any kind of hereditarian standpoint. I rather doubt it because German professors are very much answerable to the government, and have to watch what they say.

    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  178. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working.

    When the truck drivers stop trucking we’re really screwed. Big time. We’re looking at total economic and social collapse. You know, food riots and stuff like that that we never thought we’d see in a First World country.

    We are likely to have a real problem with Corona Cowards in essential services refusing to work. And whether we like it or not truck drivers are just about the most essential service there is.

  179. dfordoom says: • Website
    @9/11 Inside job

    Have I left anything out?

    No. You’ve covered just about every Tin Foil Hat Brigade topic I can think of.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  180. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    4) coronavirus worked as a reality check: several governments demonstrated their competence, including China, South Korea, Russia, Singapore, Vietnam, whereas the ones that habitually teach others were shown to be pathetically incompetent.

    I certainly agree with that.

    I’m not sure that globalism is dead. It would be nice to think so but the globalists still hold all the effective power in the West. But maybe the rest of the world will be seriously questioning the globalist agenda.

  181. Alfred says:
    @Levtraro

    with the amount of people following the scientific advice, the number of replications of the little bug decreases substantially

    You mean the advice of people like Dr Anthony Fauci who has been consistently incorrect about epidemics in the past? And professor Neil Ferguson who reduced his predicted fatalities by a factor of 10 after a few days?

    There is no shortage of scientists who disagree with those two clowns but who are not media darlings. I wonder why?

  182. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Gizmo880

    Article after article about how crazy those conspiracy nuts are, and how you shouldn’t listen to anything they say

    The problem is that there really are a lot of crazy conspiracy nuts (and the corona virus thing has produced a bumper crop of lunatic conspiracy theories) and they’ve made it difficult for any sane dissenter to be taken seriously.

  183. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Chinaman

    Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it.

    I’ll take a wild guess. I’ll say it’s western arrogance. Westerners think Asians are inferior and perhaps not quite human and they also think Asians are dastardly villains. They think masks are OK for Asians because Asians are just sort of like human insects.

    If they had to admit that Asians were right about masks and they were wrong it would be a terrible blow to their egos.

    • Replies: @calculator
  184. dfordoom says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    It’s the same story in China, apparently. Lock-downs raised the number of applications for divorce without doing anything to raise the birthrate

    It’s so blindingly obvious that the hysteria and the lockdowns are not going to raise the birth rate that I can’t see how anyone could believe the nonsensical notion that we’re going to have a baby boom.

    I think it’s just more right-wing wishful thinking.

    And given that whites in the West have reacted more hysterically to CV than anyone else it’s highly likely that white birth rates will collapse. And probably stay very low for several years.

    Of course if the economy tanks the white birth rate will plummet even further.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  185. gfhändel says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next person but how does COVID-19 equal COVFEFE? (Yes, I confess to some failed amateur cryptography). The most obvious solution, considering the entire tweet, is that it’s merely COVERAGE misspelled.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  186. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Alden

    It’s a plot to destroy the economy of the entire world.

    No, it’s stupidity, cowardice, hysteria and politicians desperately trying to save their own political careers. And mostly it’s media types doing what they do, generating hysteria.

  187. dfordoom says: • Website
    @refl

    You may tell the police, if they stop you that you have left your home on an important mission, which is to protect your country from possible destruction of civil rights.

    They’ll arrest you. The media will demonise you. And they’ll use it demonise anyone who expresses dissent.

    You’d be better off waiting for a while, until public sentiment starts to turn against the lockdowns. At the moment it would be an exercise in futility and probably counter-productive. At the moment the public is solidly behind the lockdowns because the public is terrified of the Plague and totally panic-stricken.

  188. @dfordoom

    Agreed. The demographic hole left by the coronavirus panic is going to be visible for a lifetime. Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @dfordoom
  189. PeterMX says:

    “In general, almost one million people in Germany die every year, roughly the same number of deaths caused by the Second World War each year in Germany.” That is the kind of statement I would expect to hear from a German, so we can bemoan the “27,000,000” (or now 50,000,000 according to what President Trump said the other day) Russians that supposedly were killed by the Germans and the 6 million Jews made into bars of soap and lampshades. All of the figures the German government and its mainstream press propagate are false, deliberately kept far lower than what really happened so they serve the foreign interests these institutions represent (Germany’s former enemies), certainly not the German people.

    Statements like that explain why a young Ukrainian would tell me last year that no Germans died in the war and then would cite how horribly the Jews were treated. It explains why a young Dutchman told me Berlin was hardly damaged in the war and why a young woman from Chemnitz told me Chemnitz hardly suffered any damage in the war. Like Germany in general, these cities were among the most heavily damaged in the war, worse than most of what the rest of Europe suffered and the same goes for the suffering population, which suffered more than any other country, but even after the war the allies killed millions of more Germans. The liars in the German government claim that only 25 thousand Germans were murdered at Dresden while original documents published by historian David Irving (who Austrians threw in jail for violating their censorship laws) show at least 135,000 Germans were murdered there and the actual number of dead could be as many as 400,000. The fact that Germany’s capital is dominated by a memorial to Jews (the leaders of its primary and most bloodthirsty enemy, the USSR) and grand and well preserved memorials all over eastern Germany to the mass raping, murderous Red Army while there is no memorial in all of Germany to the people that suffered more than anyone else in the war, the German people, just shows how farcical the figures Germany’s government and its media promote, including the one from the quote I cited above.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Thanks: PeterMX
  190. @dfordoom

    Dford..you are a silver tongued flatterer !

  191. @Desert Fox

    Yes, it goes back at least that far.

  192. @SBaker

    11. Let the world turn against the yellow rats and nuke it back to the Stone Age!

  193. @CanSpeccy

    “Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.

    If they can get you asking the wrong questions……

  194. @dfordoom

    Dford, you are so right. Many seniors are hiding out under the bed wrapped up in plastic and insulated by packets of toilet paper. One old lady I know wears a mask in her house even though she lives alone. However, I walk every afternoon at 6 pm with an Australian guy a real crusty individual. I always get a good laugh from him. He told me for one example ” Americans always say have an awesome day. Mate, we Aussies never say that because we dont give a shit what kind of day you have!”

    Another one :” God has a book. When he turns to the current date and your name is on that page, virus or no virus, its your backside Mate”.

    This guy in now in his nineties, no pot belly, works out in 2 x 20 minute sessions every day plus a one mile walk and watches his diet and is so erect he looks like he had a ramrod shoved up his arse. People just do not seem to understand that proper diet, exercise and being outdoor is the prevention of so many diseases both physical and mental. Being self locked up and isolated with nothing to do and nowhere to go, brooding over the latest Corona statistics and doomsday scenario must do things to a person’s mind.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  195. Agent76 says:
    @bjondo

    I do not click links that do not have titles. Try again please.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  196. Agent76 says:
    @Desert Fox

    You will find this a great resource and your link did not work for me.

    About ‘Take Back Your Power’
    Synopsis

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    https://www.takebackyourpower.net/

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  197. @Twodees Partain

    Exactly. If you die from any number of possible morbidities but test positive for a trace of the virus (which is all the test does, it’s not meant to confirm viral causation, as the test’s creator emphasized repeatedly in the context of the HIV-AIDS hoax), you magically become a “Corona death”.

  198. bjondo says:
    @Agent76

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  199. @Agent76

    That was odd, when I clicked on my reply to you on stopthecrime.net it did not bring up the site, but when I typed it in on the search bar it brought up the site stopthecrime.net, can you try this, Deborah Tavares has one of the most important sites on chemtrails, 5G, direct energy weapons, smart meters, etc..

  200. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air.

    Except that you cannot pull bodies out of thin air, and as Utu points out on another thread, real bodies are piling up that seem impossible to dismiss other than as caused by the Corona virus.

    Or to quote the argument in full:

    “Hundreds of Americans die every week…” – Actually, with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:

    4/3 462
    4/2 562
    4/1 432
    3/31 391
    3/30 332

    Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?

    And speaking of deadly care homes in Canada, here’s a striking headline:

    <a title=”"https://www.zerohedge.com/health/no-hope-canadas-nursing-homes-prepare-mass-deathhttps://www.zerohedge.com/health/no-hope-canadas-nursing-homes-prepare-mass-deathNo Hope: Canada’s Nursing Homes Prepare For Mass Death

  201. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.

    Unless we have a tremendous property crash, in which case young people may get the idea of buying a family home and starting a family.

    And with all those house-hogging boomers carried off by the virus, a property crash is a real possibility. As Shakespeare said, It’s an ill virus that does no man any good.

  202. @CanSpeccy

    No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”, the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona. The government and media are not making that distinction in their reporting and announcements.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  203. SBaker says:
    @Alden

    I wish I had the answers. My brother saw the unrest in the market coming and exited completely by the end of January. BTW, I lived in Los Altos back in the day of tube technology, from 1960 to early 1966. My wife is a 1976 Stanford grad. I think you know the area.

  204. Herald says:
    @Gyre07

    The only statistically-significant ‘cull’ is that of our citizen’s expectations of leadership and civil liberties.

    Do people really still have expectations of leadership? The economy though, is clearly being culled as we write, but could we be next?

    Perhaps, of major interest for all of us will be the COVID-19 vaccine, that might soon be ready for its inevitable grand entrance. These are very exciting times.

  205. Agent76 says:

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  206. @gfhändel

    Probably I was wrong in saying COVFEFE equals COVID-19 , it might be better to say that it equals Coronavirus .I stumbled upon the COVFEFE answer at reddit.com/r/conspiracy/
    The COV part of the word is an abbreviation for Coronavirus and is confirmed by the Merriam -Webster dictionary.
    FEFE is a hydrogenase “…essentially FeFe has been used in processes for the creation of bactrium, RNA or viral strands ”
    The commenter on Reddit says Covfefe is a misspelling of COVID-19 , I am not sure that is the correct analysis . Sean Spicer , Trump’s press secretary at the time , said it was not a misspelling and that a small group of people knew what it meant . Someone else speculated that Trump had been briefed on the Coronavirus planned-demic and COVFEFE became part of a tweet as a result of that.

  207. @Sean

    Very thoughtful and insightful comment. By the time I was 14 I had read all of Charles Dickens, the Conquest of the Incas, The Conquest of Mexico, Maupassant in French and a host of Spanish authors in Spanish. At 3 pm every day I had track and field, at 4 cricket and 5 soccer. Saturdays and Sundays were spent swimming or biking. We had a German guy who scorned traditional track and field and constructed with his own money an obstacle course that was demanding and exhausting. He heaped abuse on us when we made a mistake in technique or did not complete each phase within time. Not that I was an outstanding student or ultra athletic, there were others who were far more brilliant and strong but there was just nothing else to do. No TV, no cell phones, no FB or social media and no video games, no Malls to hang out in. The schools I went to taught students to THINK, there was no multiple choice exam. Teachers used canes and for those who flouted the rules there was detention, kneeling in front of the class, lines, PT and cleaning up the school yard. Self pity was never tolerated.

    At home meals were at a certain hour at a properly laid table and if you showed up late or improperly dressed you swallowed your saliva and waited until next meal time. At the table you were expected to sit erect, elbows off the table, arms tucked in and to chew slowly. Proper use of a knife and fork was expected and there was that special technique of using a spoon when drinking soup, no raising the bowl to your mouth and slurping up the remains. One look from my Father and you melted in your boots. Even today, my mother will not under any circumstances eat in a car, on the couch, in a restaurant or on a sloppily laid table.

    None of this did me any harm and I was and am no worse off for it. Looking back, I am supremely thankful for the experience. I was a boy and this made me a man. These days there are boys and the coddling make them babies.

    Call all this snobbish but bad habits once formed in any area permeate to others. These days I see people guzzling food while walking, the phone in the other hand, slurping drinks from a straw, eating and drinking in their cars while driving and in the restaurants literally shovelling the food into their mouths as if the meal was going to run away and throwing food containers on the roads and freeways. Belching and farting also seems to be the in thing and elicits at times a great deal of amusement, encouragement and even competition.

    Today, the youth are nonchalant about education. It is fashionable to be so ! Basic math, reading, writing and comprehension skills are for the most part non existent. Those with advanced degrees from the Ivy League institutions or University seem even more dumb and clueless than high school dropouts. They get a pass from the Professors because their Daddies donate to the institution, because they showed up for classes and because if the Professor failed the lot he would be blamed for being a “bad” lecturer. I listen to the conversations of University students and they talk absolute drivel and those with advanced degrees cannot spell or tell the difference between “their” and “there” of “here, hare, hair” among words that sound the same.

    The rubbish I see touted today as intelligent would have made my parents and grandparents who never went past high school laugh in derision. The disrespect for parents is astounding. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen and heard children as young as 10 call their mothers bitches and their fathers pricks. If I had used that language to mine I would have suffered severe whiplash from the slap I would have received across my face. Today that would be child abuse !

    We live in a new world I am told, the modern world and all those old fashioned traits and traditions are shite. Really ?

    That is why in the Joker’s opinion we are where we are with the youth uneducated, unable to think and weak in mind and body. The same for the educated elite and the general public unable to put two and two together. I ponder where we have come from as a society and shudder to think about where we are going.

  208. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    No one’s saying bodies are being “pulled out of thin air”…

    Actually, on another thread, they were. Hence Utu’s resp0nse that I quoted above.

    … the issue is that there’s a huge difference between dying WITH Corona vs dying FROM Corona.

    Yes, but when the current New York death rate is running at approximately twice the normal daily average, there’s good reason to suppose than a new factor is at work, a factor supposed quite reasonably to be the novel corona virus.

    In fact, I think talk of “dying WITH the corona virus vs dying FROM the corona virus” is misleading. If the corona virus causes the death of someone who would have died next week anyway, it is still a death of which the corona virus was the proximate cause and hence the cause properly recorded on the death certificate.

    What is needed is recognition that, because it mainly kills already sick old people, the corona virus does not greatly reduce healthy life expectancy. Thus, while reporting total covid19 deaths, medical authorities would do well to report the impact of such deaths on overall productive life expectancy, an impact that would be very small indeed. It would then be obvious that killing the economy is an insane response to the virus.

    Unfortunately doctors are not well trained in science and generally do not think in scientific or economic terms. Rather, they like to inflate the perceived impact of the virus and thus enhance their image as heroic and intrepic warriors battling a horrendously dangerous foe.

  209. Wally says:
    @Chinaman

    said:
    “Asians wore masks and white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks.”

    – You’re a liar.
    – There is no aversion among Euro-whites to wearing masks to protect their health.
    – I challenge you to show us Euro-whites assaulting Asians for wearing a mask.

    you also said:
    “The fact that such common sense preventive measures is rejected by the populace in the west, to their own detriment, say much about the average IQ And irrationality of these people.”

    – You mean the west where so many Asians have fled to and now reside.

    • Replies: @glib
  210. glib says:
    @Wally

    I am an euro and I have an aversion for masks. I will wear one if I am cutting concrete or painting the inside of a house, but otherwise I prefer to breathe freely. Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  211. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I suspect that in NYC, a man killed by a train will be counted as a corona death if fewer than 12 witnesses capture the accident on their phones.

  212. @CanSpeccy

    Let me guess, you saw the “bodies” on TV. Utu has been on my ignore list for a year or so. Nothing he reports is credible.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  213. @CanSpeccy

    I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”). Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions, as if Corona is the centerpiece of that medical story.

    • Replies: @glib
    , @CanSpeccy
  214. @CanSpeccy

    BTW, when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  215. Hibernian says:
    @Chinaman

    …white people have an illogical and irrational aversion to them, to the point that they would physically assault someone who wears masks. May be some of you can enlighten me to the psychological basis behind it.

    They remind us of bandits in the Wild Wild West of the movies.

  216. Amen Wally. I note that these rational Chinese hunger to live among the low IQ and irrational people of North America. That is the main reason why there are sometimes several Chinatowns in every city. It is also the reason why these people resort to every type of immigration fraud to immigrate to the west to live and to attend our universities to be taught by low IQ irrational professors. The Chinaman probably got here by inducing a Chinese gang to smuggle him and 2 dozen other family members hidden in a cargo container on a ship and then had to work as a Chinatown slave along with all his homies and female relatives to pay off his debt to the boys. How is that for a low IQ and irrationality ?

    The crap this guy generally writes defies basic logic. and these are the people who are supposedly intelligent. My advice to the Chinaman : Stop eating deep fried dog. Your logic will improve.

  217. glib says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    To be precise it is not the deaths that are fabricated, White Helmets style (now that I think of it, those piles of bodies in Ecuador perhaps are), but the statistics. In Europe total mortality does not increase but CV deaths do increase at the expenses of other causes of deaths. There are fewer death certificates for cancer and diabetes and other common causes.

    I am going to go out on a limb and predict that USA and Europe CV deaths will never exceed the normal mortality rate, since it is just the flu and they can not assign more than 100% of the dead to CV.

    Of note, assigning (in the US) every pneumonia death to the flu has been ongoing for years, and a simple and lucrative technique for the vaccine industry.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  218. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    Let me guess, you saw the “bodies” on TV.

    I don’t have a TV.

  219. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I see absolutely nothing in your linked comment claiming that deaths are being fabricated (“thin air”).

    Sorry, I gave the wrong link. Here’s what Twodees said “Covid19 is killing so many because”… Someone on TV says so. Since a test is being used that cannot identify any particular virus, then these numbers of infected and numbers of deaths are, in effect, being pulled out of thin air. So he claimed, I was accepting the reality of deaths being pulled out of thin air. But Utu’s statistics, which no one has challenged, prove otherwise.

    As for:

    Much of the rest of your comment is just hair-splitting, e.g. it’s ridiculous to characterize Corona as the “proximate cause of death” in a person with serious existing conditions

    How then do you describe the death of a someone with progressive kidney failure, a wonky heart and cancer who is shot through the head by a housebreaker.

    Would you say they died of multiple organ failure with a bullet through the brain?

    Obviously not. So, no, I am not hair splitting. I am pointing out what an honest medical practitioner must put on a death certificate.

    If you want to say that the gunshot victim would have been dead in a week anyway, fine, but still an honest doctor will declare that they died of a gunshot wound.

    What I said was that reports of covid19 deaths should be accompanied by information about the impact on population-wide life expectancy and life quality, which it appears is slight and therefore no justification for shutting down the economy.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  220. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    when you claim that the daily death rate is twice the historical average, what is the corresponding standard deviation of the death rate? Do you have any time series you can share?

    The data I linked to were those provided by Utu. If you need details, please consult him on the thread I linked to.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  221. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Agreed. The demographic hole left by the coronavirus panic is going to be visible for a lifetime. Birthrates were already crashing before this started. Now, they will crater.

    We’ll need a cool new name for the generation born from 2020 to 2030. I suggest Generation Zero, since there’ll be so few of them. Or maybe Generation Nil. Or the Missing Generation.

    And yes, the long-term effects will be devastating.

  222. @CanSpeccy

    I’m not aware of what data you linked to, and I’m not about to track down anything utu posted, as he’s a known idiot. I simply want to see the data you’re basing your claim on, because simply saying something doubled does not establish statistical significance. Hence my question about standard deviations. Do you have the data, or not?

  223. @CanSpeccy

    This is a dishonest response. The post you now link to merely states that the media is reporting deaths of people who happen to test positive for the virus, not whether the virus was the primary cause of death. And this is clearly the case. Nothing in that comment can be construed as implying the reported deaths are fabricated.

    I see now why you post in support of utu.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  224. @CanSpeccy

    renegadetribune.com : “US pneumonia deaths have PLUMMETED in 2020 – mortality now attributed to COVID-19 ” One commenter, I believe from Croatia, stated that in his country if you were killed in a car accident the cause of death was listed as COVID-19 . In New York a nurse confirmed that in her hospital deaths from pneumonia were being attributed to COVID-19 . Jim Fetzer explains it all in :
    “How to create a fake pandemic ” jamesfetzer.org

  225. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I see now why you post in support of utu.

    That’s a silly remark. I quoted Utu, I did not support him. Specifically I gave a link to some data he presented. If you are too idle to click the link, that is your problem, not mine.

    Whether the numbers Utu cited are correct, I cannot confirm, but I see no reason to suppose that Utu is either lying or that he was unduly careless in what he asserted. Generally, he seems to take trouble to be accurately informed.

  226. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    What you are saying is widely believed and I would be fascinated to see hard evidence that resolves the claim. But the only relevant evidence I have seen is that quoted by Utu, which points the other way. Specifically:

    … with 8.5 death per thousand 7615 Americans die every day. But look at NY state which is the coronavirus epidemic hotspot. NY state with 6% of the US population has 456 deaths per day. Now look at coronavirus daily deaths in NY state in last several days:

    4/3 462
    4/2 562
    4/1 432
    3/31 391
    3/30 332

    Are you saying that everybody who died in New York state whether a baby who was still born, or a middle age guy who had a heart attack or cancer or car accident was drafted to be on the list of victims of coronavirus? Are you saying this is just an accounting trick? And now when the daily deaths exceed the statistical floor of 456 deaths per day for the NY state will you claim that NY state is borrowing corpses from other states or Canada or are they going to be killing people to generate their fancy exponential curve?

    That seems fairly compelling although there is the problem that a comparison is being made with the average death rate for the United States and the current Covid-enhanced death rate of New York state. So if New Yorkers are incredibly young or long-lived compared with the rest of the US population, then the base rate of 456 deaths per day could be an overestimate. But that seems an improbably explanation.

    No doubt there are other data sets that would clarify this issue conclusively, but citing conspiracy theorists without real numbers is pretty much a waste of time, as you will surely agree.

    Furthermore, that (a) some care homes for the elderly are being more or less cleaned out by the virus in a matter of weeks, and (b) care home deaths account for a large proportion of reported covid19 deaths strongly suggests that there must be a detectable excess death count.

    That, however, is not to say that there is a good cause to shut down the economy. Rather, as I have argued elsewhere, it is a good reason to shut down badly managed care homes:

    The Corona Virus and Care Homes That Kill

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  227. CanSpeccy says:
    @CanSpeccy

    It is late here, I am tired, and I am not sure that the logic just set forth is correct. Allow me, therefore, to try once more.

    If New York State’s March mortality rate is not vastly different from the US year-round monthly mortality rate, then the numbers Utu presented imply one of two things:

    (1) that virtually every death in NY during March 2020 was attributed to Covid19; or

    (2) that Covid19 caused a large number of excess March 2020 deaths in NY.

    Of the alternatives, the first is totally improbable, therefore the second is probably correct. There are however other alternatives. For example, if New York State’s March mortality is usually several times the year-round national mortality rate, then Utu’s numbers would be consistent with no excess deaths but half of all deaths attributed to Covid19, which would be weird and evidence perhaps of medical complicity in a conspiracy to deceive. There is a need for more real data.

  228. Utu’s numbers are bullshit because he does not provide, at a minimum, a standard deviation of the data from which the mean (“base rate”) is obtained. I assume he is simply regurgitating a MSM source and once again demonstrating his innumeracy (see his inane comments on Newton’s Laws elsewhere in the forum).

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  229. @glib

    Of course, in the case at hand, I also know that this is just the seasonal flu, and look forward to building immunity.

    That’s all good and well but should you ever test positive for the coronavirus, in say some future random testing or when visiting a doctor for a prescription to deal with a fever, flu, cold, sore throat, cough, diarrhea, you will be strictly quarantined for two weeks and not given permission to go out at all.

    And I’m not sure you can build immunity to the flu, or the coronavirus. If you could, I’d have caught the flu only once in my life and never again, instead of almost every year. Some people catch the flu several times in a season and not just once, and I’m sure there’s been years when I caught it a couple of times. I don’t know where this talk about “herd immunity” is coming from – apparently some medical professionals who should know better than I do. But if we could build immunity to the cold or flu by catching it (and coronavirus is similar) then surely by now most of us would be immune and not require vaccinations (not saying they’re completely effective either).

    • Replies: @glib
  230. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Adding to that, US CDC was claiming to have no test kits, while trumpeting numbers of infections and deaths that couldn’t have been based on the results of testing. At this point it’s immaterial whether or not there even exists some doomsday virus.

    Just look at the source for all the panic mongering: the same bunch who were screeching about Russian election interference and presidential malfeasance, both memes having the same amount of proof, zero, as the current panic meme.

  231. @glib

    True. What is being fabricated is the single common cause of death. Canspeccy has been trolling several sites that I visit for years, using the same nitpicking faux logic he displays here.

  232. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Apparently, he’s campaigning for a gold star. If he gets one, he won’t be the only gold star awardee on my ignore list.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  233. Meimou says:
    @sally

    What we know about viruses is probably wrong

    You cannot catch a virus

  234. Johan says:

    Austerity on the people, this hoax and its sado-masochistic technocratic bureaucratic control is characteristic of the climate change hoax. The grey men in suits on various levels, institutional and political, and various dictatorial and attention hungry fanatics imposing their sadism, locking people at home, depriving them of their basic human physical and emotional needs. These are now coming out of their caves preaching their gospel of secular dictatorship, lead by a priesthood of experts, cracking down on what are natural needs…

    Ask yourself, are you a man, or are you a mouse, hyper-regulated democratic man… guided by grey men in monkey suits, fantast priest journalists, and expert attention-whores, made to fear an invisible enemy.., made to fear a climatological apocalypse.. whatever credulity, ignorance, fanaticism and slavishness may buy into…

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/public-sunbathing-banned-in-lockdown-says-health-secretary/ar-BB12bg52?ocid=se

  235. Meimou says:
    @Wally

    The Trump Myth

    Trump is the enemy. Anti Trump Patriots don’t need to provide a alternative, and a faction of Trumpers(Qtards) want him to declare martial law so he can get the “bad guys”.

  236. glib says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Thank you for your reply. I want to be more precise: you build a strong immune system, most importantly, and of course you do not get complete immunity because this and other cold viri will mutate from season to season. But your immune system having a memory, you do get partial immunity. The first wave is always worse in terms of mortality. I think evolution works both in the virus and in the immune system to produce that outcome. Later, when the virus has been around for a long time, mortality fluctuates up and down while remaining at manageable levels.

    The key point is maximal immune strength coupled with exposure.It is much better to get the virus at home, where you eat and sleep so as to maximize your immune response. Other things that strengthen your immune system are high vitamin D, and near carnivore diet with some greens and nuts which I practice. If your blood sugar is low, those parasitic infections that ultimately kill you do not thrive, because bacteria and fungi feed off sugars (cancerous cells too). And nutrients that boost your system prevail in animal foods. I have been flu free since I moved to this regimen, while my sinuses cleared after decades of mucus.

    I think I got MERS in Saudi Arabia in May 2013, and it was the sickest I have been in 10 years in part because I was traveling (I was also still high carb then). But people with a strong immune system survive plagues. Black death mass graves, excavated, showed the victims had rickets and other signs of malnutrition in the bones, implying that the plague was killing the weakest/most malnourished members of London, just like the flu today. We see the same today with diabetics, smokers, and people living in horribly polluted areas. Some environmental aspects individuals can not improve on, but individual responsibility plays a role in dying or not dying. And it is more about improving your fitness than practicing social distancing.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  237. Malla says:

    Hey the Mark of the Beasties…ooops I meant the Biometric Industry is awash with ideas and orders to use biometric technology on everyone to fight this deadly pandemic. The Biometric industry really cares for you.

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/202004/fever-detection-technology-added-to-biometric-hardware-by-dermalog-telpo-dfi-hikvision-and-kogniz
    Fever detection technology added to biometric hardware by Dermalog, Telpo, DFI, Hikvision and Kogniz

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/202004/covid-19-crisis-emphasizes-importance-of-a-passwordless-future-wef-says
    COVID-19 crisis emphasizes importance of a passwordless future, World Economic Forum says

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/202003/fever-detection-and-facial-recognition-systems-launched-to-help-prevent-virus-spread
    Fever detection and facial recognition systems launched to help prevent virus spread

    Even before the outbreak, the ID2020 was working to provide mark of the beast…..sorry …digital IDs with …..wait for it……vaccines!!!

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines
    ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines
    Sep 20, 2019

    The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.

    The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.

    Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination.

  238. @Intelligent Dasein

    Agreed.

    What is likely to happen is that great swaths of the faithful will have discovered as these weeks have gone by that they don’t actually miss the wretched simulacrum of a Mass which has been imposed upon them, lo, these fifty years. The churches will re-open to great fanfare – and nobody, or very few, will come back.

    In the traditional (aka Catholic) Church the opposite will happen: everybody who has been starved of the precious Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ will again be at the doors, but they will have had added to their number those who, not missing the New Mass, nevertheless did miss Christ, and will have discovered (through the internet – it is not all bad) where they might find Him again.

    Their numbers will remain small, and the persecutions will continue and now intensify, but the Church will perdure, and souls will be saved.

  239. Mike P says:

    New cases are way down in Germany, according to Robert Koch Institute (as of April 5)

    Many countries show similar trends – numbers of new cases maxing out much sooner than anticipated and then declining rapidly. North America may be a couple of days behind. Overall, though, it is time to call off this hoax and revert to the tried and true climate change scam for promoting the “world government and poverty for all to save mankind and the planet” agenda.

  240. @Wally

    Those of us who recognized / recognize that Trump is much better than the alternatives…

    The “alternatives” are all vetted by a private corporation (GOP or DNC) before being allowed to campaign, to say nothing of financial networks or media conglomerates. To paraphrase South Park, you get to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

    FWIW, I’d rather have someone who openly despises us than someone who pretends to like us just to betray us. At least with the open enemy I know where we stand, and the only question is how much we’re willing to tolerate. The amount of subversion and backstabbing in our current government makes the Communists of the 1900s look like amateurs, yet we’ve got a “based” face to assure us he’s “monitoring the situation”.

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