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Media claim white men are the problem; the facts say otherwise.

The Second Amendment is under siege. In the New York Times, retired Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens urged its repeal. A national survey conducted by The Economist and YouGov found 21 percent of Americans support repealing the Second Amendment. Not surprisingly, support varies greatly by race and party affiliation, with 39 percent of Democrats, 30 percent of blacks, and 27 percent of Hispanics in favor of repeal. Only eight percent of Republicans and 19 percent of whites feel the same.

Signs at the “March For Our Lives” rally showed many protesters were not motivated by concerns about public safety, but by rage against gun owners, who were often conflated with “evil white men” generally and deemed the equivalent of terrorists.

For example, some slogans at the rally were:

White Men with Guns Are America’s Biggest Terrorists”

I Wish Obama Had Taken Your Guns

NRA is a Terrorist Organization

GQ columnist Damon Young, who is also the editor-in-chief of Very Smart Brothas and an upcoming author with publisher Harper Collins, bluntly declared on February 26: “America Doesn’t Have a Gun Control Problem. We Have a White-People Problem.”

He wrote:

In America, white people are everywhere, and this ubiquity connects to perhaps our greatest irony: We (black people) are vastly outnumbered by them. . . . Our entire existence here is a continual assault on our bodies. But we are the ones perceived to be the threats. We are the ones they’re scared of. We are the ones who tell our children how to dress and how to wear their hair so they’re not thought of as threats to them. We are the ones who consciously and subconsciously modify our voices and our behavior when forced to interact with them. We’re the ones whom trained officers with weapons and badges and handcuffs and legal justifications are so damn scared of that we’ve created entire curricula based on that fear, teaching ourselves what to do to seem less frightening to them.

Portraying American gun culture as an outgrowth of white racial paranoia is a common tactic for those who want to undermine the Second Amendment. Michael Moore portrayed all of American history this way in Bowling for Columbine. Scientific American even joined the act, when one Jeremey Adam Smith explained white men are “stockpiling guns” due to existential crises.

He wrote:

These are men who are anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market, and beset by racial fears. They tend to be less educated. For the most part, they don’t appear to be religious—and, suggests one study, faith seems to reduce their attachment to guns. In fact, stockpiling guns seems to be a symptom of a much deeper crisis in meaning and purpose in their lives. Taken together, these studies describe a population that is struggling to find a new story—one in which they are once again the heroes.

Yet while journalists, celebrities, and activists delight in attacking white male gun owners as fearful and racist, the reality of gun crime in the United States is far different than the caricature presented. According to statistics from major cities around the country, the color of gun crime, like the color of crime in general, is disproportionately non-white.

New York City

The 2016 “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report from the New York City Police Department uses an estimate from the American Community Survey to provide a racial breakdown of the city for 2015. It says the city is 32.1 percent white, 29.1 percent Hispanic, and 22 percent black.

Despite being only about 22 percent of the city’s population, the report found blacks comprised a majority—52.4 percent—of murder and non-negligent manslaughter arrests. Hispanics also exceeded their population share, accounting for 35.9 percent of arrests for these crimes. Despite being almost a third of the city’s population, white suspects accounted for less than seven percent of the share. The report noted the arrest population for these offenses “is similarly distributed.”

What about gun crime specifically? The report states that blacks made up a staggering 67.5 percent of shooting arrests. Hispanics accounted for 29.2 percent of arrests. The figures for whites was 2.3 percent of arrests.

This means that in 2016, 88.3 percent of those arrested for murder or non-negligent manslaughter and 96.7 percent of those arrested for shootings were black or Hispanic. The data in the 2015 edition of “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” are almost identical. All this in a city where whites comprise about a third of the population.

Assuming arrest data are a good measure, whites in New York City are almost wholly innocent of murders, non-negligent manslaughters, and shootings.

Philadelphia

The United States Census estimated the 2016 population of Philadelphia to be 44.2 percent black, 34.9 percent white, and 14.4 percent Hispanic.

According to the “2015 Murder/Shooting Analysis” from the Philadelphia Police Department, there were 280 murders in Philadelphia in 2015, with 236 committed with firearms. Interestingly, even though one of the main goals of the current gun control movement is to renew the ban on so-called “assault weapons,” only three of these homicides were linked to a rifle or a shotgun; the vast majority were committed with handguns.

In the Philadelphia report, offenders are classified as black, white, Asian, or Amerindian. There is a separate figure which indicates how many offenders were of “Hispanic ethnicity,” but it’s impossible for the reader to determine how many were lumped in with each race.

At the time the report was published, 50.7 percent of the 2015 murder cases were “cleared,” usually meaning a suspect was taken into custody.

From the 133 cases so designated, 105 offenders are identified in the report. Eighty-six (81.9 percent of the total) were black, 18 (17.1 percent) were white, and one (one percent) was Asian. Of this group of 105, ten were of “Hispanic ethnicity.” Given a choice between “black” and “white,” Hispanics are almost always classified as “white,” so possibly all ten of the Hispanic murderers were included in the “white” figure. If that’s the case, whites may comprise only 7.6 percent of identified homicide offenders.

In 2015, there were 1,236 non-fatal shooting victims, but only 238 offenders were identified. Blacks were 85.7 percent of them, whites were 13 percent, and Amerindians were 1.3 percent. Almost 11 percent were Hispanic. If these Hispanics were categorized as “white,” then whites may have been offenders in as little as two percent of these non-fatal shootings.

Milwaukee

According to the 2010 census, Milwaukee is 40 percent black, 37 percent white, and 17.3 percent Hispanic.

The 2016 Annual Report on “Homicides and Nonfatal Shootings in Milwaukee” from the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission states there were 139 homicides and 555 non-fatal shooting victims in the city in 2016.

Suspects were not identified in all of these cases, but of those that were, the commission found that 79 percent of homicide suspects in 2016 were black, 11 percent were Hispanic, and 10 percent were white. For non-fatal shootings, 88 percent of suspects were black, 6 percent were white, and five percent were Hispanic.

Thus blacks and Hispanics, who comprise 57 percent of the city, account for over 90 percent of suspects in homicide and non-fatal shooting cases.

Pittsburgh

According to the 2010 Census, Pittsburgh has a population which is 64.8 percent white, 26.1 percent black, and 2.3 percent Hispanic. As the 2016 Annual Report from the Police Department states: “Black men were the most likely to be both the actors and the victims of homicide in the city of Pittsburgh last year.”

A gun was used in 86.2 percent of the total 58 homicides in the city. The report states “90.62% of all [known homicide] actors were black men.”

The same was true in 2015, when 81.8 percent of all homicide suspects were black men. The vast majority of homicides that year—89.3 percent—were committed using a gun.

Los Angeles

According to the American Community Survey 2016 estimates, Los Angeles is 49 percent Hispanic, 29 percent white, 8 percent black, and 11 percent Asian.

The findings of the “Los Angeles Police Department Homicide Report” for 2017 are unsurprising for racial realists. According to this analysis, both the victims and perpetrators of violent crime in Los Angels are young, non-white, and poor. Of the 282 homicides which occurred in Los Angeles in 2017, 177—62.8 percent—were gang related.

Of all homicides committed in 2017 in Los Angeles, 72 percent involved handguns. Shotguns and rifles accounted for only one percent each. “Assault weapons”—the weapons targeted by current gun control push—accounted only for one percent. Firearms were used in 93 percent of homicides committed by gang members.

Suspect descriptions were provided for 146 of the homicides, yielding 171 suspects (some incidents involved more than one suspect). Of these suspects, 52 percent were Hispanic, six percent were white, and less than two percent were Asian. An astonishing 40 percent were black, despite blacks comprising less than ten percent of the city’s population.

New Orleans

New Orleans is, as former mayor Ray Nagin famously bragged, a “chocolate city.” The city’s population, according to the 2010 census, is 60.2 percent black, 30.5 percent white, and 5.2 percent Hispanic, though the Hispanic population has been increasing in recent years. However, the color of gun crime in New Orleans is almost entirely black.

The 2015 “City of New Orleans Murders And Non-Fatal Shootings Trend” shows there were 164 murders in that year and 340 non-fatal shooting victims. The report indicates 87 percent of those arrested for murder were black males. If females are included, over 90 percent of those arrested for murder were black.

An almost identical pattern emerged with non-fatal shootings. Eighty-six percent of those arrested were black men. Again, rather than “assault weapons” or rifles being the weapons of choice, handguns were used 78 percent of the time.

Chicago

According to the 2010 census, Chicago is 32 percent black, 31.7 percent white, and 28 percent Hispanic.

The Chicago Police Department put out an Annual Report every year until 2010. In 2016, the Chicago Tribune reported the department would be releasing reports again, but no such report has been issued.

According to the 2010 report, 248 arrests were made for murder or non-negligent manslaughter. Of those, 190 were black, 48 were Hispanic, eight were white, one was Asian, and one was Amerindian.

While the report contains no data on non-fatal shootings, weapons violations—crimes such as unlawful concealment of a firearm–showed the same pattern. Of the 3,903 arrests for that crime, 3,011 were black, 722 were Hispanic, 152 were white, and 15 were Asian.

Blacks and Hispanics therefore accounted for 96 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter arrests, and 95.6 percent of weapons violation arrests.

Conclusion

The narrative that white men with guns are somehow the greatest threat to Americans is an extreme example of gaslighting. The color of gun crime in major cities around the United States is black and, to a lesser extent, brown. Banning “assault weapons” or rifles will do nothing to reduce gun crime. It will simply make it more difficult for whites to defend themselves, which may be the overall point.

Since the Parkland shooting, a number of prominent media voices and policymakers, such as former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, have called for a “conversation” about gun violence. She is right. It is time for a real conversation about gun violence. It’s time to discuss why gun violence in so many of our major cities is overwhelmingly committed by blacks, and why so many propagandists seem utterly determined to blame whites for it instead.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. “President Obama says the biggest frustration of his tenure is the lack of new gun control laws.”
    USA Today, July 24th, 2015

    What a surprise. See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2015/08/why-left-hates-guns_2.html

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  2. That’s funny I don’t feel at ease when a black thug is approaching me while walking down the street, but I feel totally at ease if it’s a white man. This whole white genocide agenda is getting to loud for comfort.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.
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  3. What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Here's the problem, "Wizard": "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    It's called the internet. That took me all of 1 1/2 minutes, including taking a piss while the page was loading. What's your excuse?

    , @Pat Boyle
    The real Wizard of Oz was a phony. Hmmm.

    I approve of gun safes (sooner or later everyone has kids over). I approve of gun owners being trained. But what is limiting the number of guns owned supposed to do? Mad men don't carry a dozen rifles with them when they go to shoot up a high school.

    I have three guns for home protection. More would make me less secure because they might attract the bad guys in the case of a natural disaster. When society breaks down and villains stalk your neighborhood as they did after Katrina, Sandy and Rodney King you don't want to be known as the house with all the guns so as to supply the whole gang with firepower.. You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns. Too many guns are nearly as bad as no guns when gangs of looters start to roam.
    , @interesting
    we already have most that dude....WTF are you talking about? Everything was in place to stop parkland, more laws that are not enforced will solve nothing.

    HAD CURRENT LAWS BEEN FOLLOWED AND ENFORCED PARKLAND WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. This is not conjecture, this is fact. So creating your new laws that will not be enforced will solve nothing
    , @Twodees Partain
    Whiz, the problem is that Americans will end up like you Ozzie slaves, unarmed and subject to any sort of harm that anyone wants to inflict upon us. Australians need to butt out of our business.

    An ozzie asks, "Why do you want to own guns"

    An American answers, "Because kiss my ass".
    , @Johann Ricke

    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?
     
    It does not lower the crime rate, while making civilians helpless before the onslaught of gun-armed criminals.

    https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/
    , @gwynedd1
    "Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors." -James Madison Federalist #46

    Buy furniture to support deforestation in Aokigahara if that be your wish...
    , @James Forrestal
    "What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime"

    Stop right there. That's your entire problem -- a false embedded assumption; framing the issue in a deliberately distorted manner.

    Replace "gun" with "Negro" in that sentence (a more accurate characterization of the problem). Do the policy implications differ?
    , @Heather
    Two problems:

    1. Why do this? Violence of all sorts, including gun violence, has dropped by over 50% in the past 25 years, while the number of guns in private hands has roughly DOUBLED, and it has become much easier for the law-abiding to legally go about their lives while armed.

    2. Almost all crime guns are illegally acquired, according to the FBI. Making it more difficult for the law-abiding to arm themselves will have no effect on crime.

    Such proposals are merely punishing the law-abiding for the actions of criminals. They save no lives and prevent no crimes. Some, like "lock up your safety" laws have been proven to cost lives. And, of course, requiring a license to exercise an inalienable right is just wrong, not to mention unconstitutional
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  4. Nice work. That first graphic is terrible though. You can see it comes from a Government department.

    Its a shame there are no figures for victims for all of the cities listed in the article. The principle problem with the focus on suspects or even arrests, is that this can simply be attributed to institutional racism. What would be more telling would be conviction rates, where the court system is arguably more objective.

    Whatever the case, the narrative that gun crimes are a white problem is clearly idiotic.

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    • Replies: @Sondjata
    While it isn't in the article, the NYC Compstat data that was presented has graphs and numbers for victims of various crimes by race.

    A few of those graphs can be seen here:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/search?q=black+on+black+crime
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  5. AndrewR says:

    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.

    Rednecks obsessed with guns are not representative of whites as a whole, nor of white right-wingers as a whole. And they’re certainly politically powerless and not a threat to urban white-hating dindus like Damon Young. The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.

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    • Replies: @Jesse James
    Who constitutes being labeled a gun-obsessed redneck in your premise? Is it a wealthy white man living in a gated community in the white suburbs who owns a large, high-dollar hunting rifle collection? Is it a lower-income man who lives in a trailer in an unincorporated county area who owns 2 or 3 firearms and practices regularly, because he dug out a small range on his own property? Or, is it a white family who owns a Mossberg 500 20gau. shotgun and a Taurus 9mm, because they live in a neighborhood or small city in close proximity to one of the USA's violence-prone urban Wakandas such as Kansas City, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta or Chicago?
    , @GourmetDan

    The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.
     
    It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions...
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  6. Dante says:

    That was a terrific article that cut right through the lies of our msm propaganda , Brilliant and factually correct. Thanks

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  7. First let’s tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least — don’t care

    b. there’s no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets — and they openly want to be seen as whites — no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn’t help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda — in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison —

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it’s shocking. And it’s accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall — that’s disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let’s play fair — hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups — sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don’t like what that ownership means.

    d. It’s a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren’t just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let’s just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let’s attribute everyone of them to blacks. That’s 0.034%. It doesn’t represent a 1/2 % of the black population — hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It’s always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total — there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me — my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It’s the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe — hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.

    And it misses the real issue that causes concern — the random mass shootings on citizens. That’s the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It’s that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located — they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country’s churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn’t like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

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    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons."

    Good luck getting the black market guns from "those inner city users". Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can't help themselves, right?
    , @Sondjata
    In regards to this:

    "a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —"

    The poverty as explanation for crime rates has been debunked:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/and-now-we-destroy-poverty-argument.html

    for example:

    "Black residents of block groups with incomes greater than $60 000 per year had firearm assault rates similar to those of White residents of areas with incomes between $20 001 and $30 000."

    And

    "Therefore, unlike previous research in Chicago, race does not appear to be a surrogate for economic status in determining violent firearm injury risk in Philadelphia.3 Rather, our findings echo those of Kalesan et al.,5 who found that nationally, Black children were more likely than White children to be hospitalized with firearm injury regardless of neighborhood income level."

    Links to original report are in the blog entry.
    , @gwynedd1
    Seems to me a significant number of blacks are feeling the affects of Anarcho-tyranny the most.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Most Hispanics in the US are not primarily white, and there are plenty who have no desire to be perceived as white.

    Most Mexicans in the US, and most Latinos generally in the US, are genetically and visibly part white and a greater part "Native American" Indian (and/or African, in the case of Puerto Ricans and to a lesser extent Brazilians).
    , @James Forrestal
    "in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats."

    No. Not this "poverty causes violent crime" canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like "poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc.." this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    https://kek.gg/i/CrkLF.jpg

    It's not as if no one's ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range-- around .28 - .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    https://kek.gg/i/TCVKG.jpg

    It's very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it's never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they're only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your "arguments" are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.
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  8. anarchyst says:

    Take away the “gun crime” (actually violence committed with firearms) statistics of the major black-run cities, and you will find that the level of violence committed with firearms in the USA is at the bottom…

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  9. anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:

    The white homicide rate in Chicago is about as close to zero as one can get, about five dead so far this year and that would include being murdered by non-whites as well as the usual unpleasant domestic situations of people killing spouses, roommates, etc. Middle easterners are lumped into the white category so that could affect the stats especially at these low numbers. The website heyjackass.com gives the numbers. One glaring number jumps out and that’s the fact that less than 15% of Chicago homicides are being cleared. 85% of murderers are literally getting away with it and probably more than once in some cases. This means that there’s all these killers walking about freely in the streets of Chicago. Other crime such as carjacking is up, 938 last year. The constant chant of “gun crime” is being used as a smokescreen to obscure who is doing what and to avoid addressing the issue of the cultural dysfunction of the group that produces all these career criminals.

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    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    The low murder clearance rates of dindustans also tend to seriously understate the black propensity for gun crime because the perps are never identified. Another problem is that black shootings are no where near as lethal as white shootings are. Although it's text stripped right off a meme, the decreased lethality of black-perpetrated shootings is plausibly attributable to black's poor marksmanship. In fact, that same poor marksmanship means that even black shootings probably undercount the public safety menace from these poor marksmen.

    So, from the Color of Crime, we learn that if all non-whites were removed from the NYC population, shootings would drop somewhere on the order of 98%. But even this number is likely to be seriously understated because the real problem is illegal gun discharges, a public-safety menace with few equals. If someone compiled total unlawful shots fired, it wouldn't surprise me if spray-and-pray dindu shootists were responsible for 99.5%+ of all unlawful bullets flying through various Demi-rat utopias.
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  10. Truth says:
    @Fed up goy
    That's funny I don't feel at ease when a black thug is approaching me while walking down the street, but I feel totally at ease if it's a white man. This whole white genocide agenda is getting to loud for comfort.

    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    You are cleverly lying by omission.

    Here are the real numbers for 2012 - 2013.

    Roughly 4 million whites were victims of violent crime. Blacks committed 14% of those crimes.

    Blacks were victimized roughly 1 million times over the same period. 10.4% of those crimes were perpetrated by whites.

    13.7% of 4,091,971 = 560,600 = number of violent crimes against whites committed by blacks.
    10.4% of 955,800 = 99,403 = number of violent crimes against blacks committed by whites.

    Whites are 62% of America's population.
    Blacks are 12.5%

    To compare apples to apples, we must multiply each by whatever it takes to equal 50%, as though each were exactly half of the population and committed violent crime against the other race at the same rates as they do today.

    For blacks that factor is 4. So if the nation were 50% black and 50% white, blacks would commit 4 x 560,600 = 2,242,400 acts of violence against whites.

    For whites the factor is 0.806. Whites would then commit 0.806 x 99,403 = 80,163 acts of violence against blacks.

    The black against white rate is 2,242,400/80,163 = 28 times larger than that of the white against black.

    And that's a walloping discrepancy. No wonder whites fear blacks. A white can only judge a black by the standards he brings to bear on his peers and his environment, and by white standards, blacks are incredibly more violent prone than fellow whites. Spin it any way you like, but whites have good reason to be leary of black men.

    But don't flatter yourself, Truth, we're not afraid of you, as you like to imagine. We're wary of you as one would be of a wild animal. Our attitude can be summarized, "Sometimes it can be trusted, but don't turn your back on it".

    , @Joe Walker
    But whites are much less likely to commit murder than are blacks.
    , @James Forrestal
    "86% of white murder victims are killed by whites."

    In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called "White flight") did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

    Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

    Just curious.
    , @anon
    I would bet every single penny I have that at least in proportionate terms, - probably even in absolute terms - blacks commit more crime and violence against whites then whites do against blacks.
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  11. @AndrewR
    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.

    Rednecks obsessed with guns are not representative of whites as a whole, nor of white right-wingers as a whole. And they're certainly politically powerless and not a threat to urban white-hating dindus like Damon Young. The NRA probably is too powerful, but it's certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it's a helluva lot less harmful.

    Who constitutes being labeled a gun-obsessed redneck in your premise? Is it a wealthy white man living in a gated community in the white suburbs who owns a large, high-dollar hunting rifle collection? Is it a lower-income man who lives in a trailer in an unincorporated county area who owns 2 or 3 firearms and practices regularly, because he dug out a small range on his own property? Or, is it a white family who owns a Mossberg 500 20gau. shotgun and a Taurus 9mm, because they live in a neighborhood or small city in close proximity to one of the USA’s violence-prone urban Wakandas such as Kansas City, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta or Chicago?

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    Did I hit a nerve?
    , @AndrewR
    "Gun nut" is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn't necessarily qualify even if he's spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn't necessarily qualify. And it's insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that "white family" with a shotgun and a pistol as "gun-obsessed rednecks."

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

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  12. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    Saying white men are the gun problem is so insane that treating these people seriously is actually a great tactic of the Left. It takes time and energy refuting these useful idiots which the Right always obediently follows up on–instead of actually fighting the Left.
    The Right in this country, except for the small Dissident/AltPaleocon Right, are cowards, idiots and traitors.

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  13. Svigor says:

    This is one of those good problems: White Americans love their guns, and their 2nd Amendment. The more Jews, non-whites, and leftists are seen to be trying to take away White Americans’ guns and 2nd Amendment, the more White Americans will come to resent them. Our job is to inject the racial aspects of the 2nd Amendment fight into the mainstream conservitard narrative.

    Of course, if my experience is any guide, Kersey will prove completely useless on the subject of Jews’ leadership role in opposition to the 2nd Amendment.

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  14. Svigor says:

    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    Only 100% will do.

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    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some "interesting" theories here.
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  15. Svigor says:

    Oh, and if fewer whites felt as Fed Up Goy does (and consequently, acts), blacks would push their share much higher. Obviously. Fortunately, whites have long since gotten the message.

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  16. D.L. says: • Website

    While it is a politics thing, I don’t think it’s a “color” thing. Ask any black or Hispanic (or Asian or Muslim or Jew or Hindu, etc) living in RURAL AMERICA–there’s still a few you know–if they want to just give up their guns. The answer would be a resounding NO! Because unlike city folks, rural folks live in REALITY every second of every day, and here’s the reality: mountain lions,bears, foxes, wolves, wild pigs/hogs/javelinas, deer, burros, donkeys, rodents, rabbits, snakes, etc. out to get them or their gardens or their livestock or their crops…or them. And then down here in far west Texas you also have illegals, some of whom carry guns of you know what I mean…

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    Good comment, sir. I'll just quibble that "rural" ain't what it used to be, demographically.

    There are millions of Mexicans living in rural areas all across inland California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and southern Colorado, outnumbering non-Mexicans in more and more of those little towns.

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  17. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    Here’s the problem, “Wizard”: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    It’s called the internet. That took me all of 1 1/2 minutes, including taking a piss while the page was loading. What’s your excuse?

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    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student's ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don't know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J's judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.
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  18. Svigor says:

    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?

    Rule of law. See 2nd Amendment to the Constitution for details. Looking up “infringe” in a dictionary might be instructive, too.

    Its a shame there are no figures for victims for all of the cities listed in the article. The principle problem with the focus on suspects or even arrests, is that this can simply be attributed to institutional racism. What would be more telling would be conviction rates, where the court system is arguably more objective.

    Statistically speaking, there’s very little difference in the racial breakdowns of arrests and the racial breakdowns of convictions. In fact, last I checked, Whites suffered more in arrest rates than they did in conviction rates, not Blacks.

    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.

    There’s a big hole in your logic; the smaller subset has to compensate for the vast majority who under-compensate, meaning, the smaller subset isn’t overcompensating.

    b. there’s no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    Then there’s the question of black/Jewish/etc rates of being leftist (hint: far higher than the rate for Whites), which runs counter to the point you seem to be implying.

    P.S., I TL;DR-ed most of your poorly-written comment (just explaining why I stopped reading – it was taking me too long to figure out WTF you were trying to say), but I noticed the “poverty causes crime” argument.

    1. Why isn’t White Appalachia a hotbed of murder?
    2. What is it about poverty that causes rape? The Black rate is 6.5x the White rate, despite Blacks’ “no snitchin’” culture.

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    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one's fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter's and Miss Laura Ingrham's contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:


    police
    lawyers
    doctors
    CIA
    congress
    the judiciary
    Russian mobs
    Italian mobs
    Irish mobs
    Asian mobs
    Asians in general
    Alt-righters
    Mexican mobs
    Members of the military unless they are scapegoating someone
    Families of any ethnicity
    Students cheating -- students of any color doing anything


    We have invested an inordinate amount of time and energy painting a picture of blacks with rather mundane traits common to human group dynamic behavior for the express purpose of managing their every move. Don't be a tattle tale is quite common among human beings seeking to maintain a common interest.


    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it's pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.

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  19. Svigor says:

    Leftists are free to solve the problem of gun crime in their jurisdictions. All they have to do is implement strict “stop and frisk” policies in the areas that they control that have the highest gun crime rates. They will rapidly outpace Blacks’ economic ability to replace the confiscated guns.

    They will face none of the problems that 2nd-Amendment-loving Americans pose at the federal or state levels.

    The problem is that leftists don’t want to solve the gun crime problem – they want to disarm law-abiding Whites in “red” territories.

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  20. I’ve read through this writer, Mr. Paul Kersey’s writings on his own blog sbpdl, and found only one major thing that I disagree with him on. Kersey has stated in the past that he didn’t agree with letting blacks own guns (I am paraphrasing, so he may want to correct me). Maybe it was – “they shouldn’t own guns”. As much as I agree with the stats here and causes, as documented much more deeply on Kersey’s blog, I am a strict Constitutionalist.

    Keep in mind that there are decent black people who need to be able to defend themselves against the black ghetto thugs that are the point of this article (and indeed the bulk of the gun murder and maiming that goes on in America).

    It’s amazing that more Americans don’t know the facts that you laid down here. Thank you, and thanks, Ron Unz.

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    Keep in mind that there are decent black people who need to be able to defend themselves against the black ghetto thugs that are the point of this article (and indeed the bulk of the gun murder and maiming that goes on in America).
     
    I agree with that assessment. I am highly critical of the radical afro american predator, but they are not all this way, and decent Blacks need a means to safeguard themselves and their families too. Unfortunately for them (if what I believe is coming is in fact true), our debt ridden system will cause a continuous economic decline, that if unabated will eventually result in a failed state (the cities will be first). Couple that with the racial polarization that leftist progs irresponsibly promoted with afro americans, it will result in an afro american declared race war (when the welfare benefits stop). Once that happens, Non Blacks will not trust any Black, which will lead into a shoot first and ask questions later mentality. Decent Blacks will have no where to go under those circumstances. We can thank our leaders/elites for recklessly leading all of us into this mess.
    , @Macumazahn
    It's a difficult question, and not just as it relates to guns and the 2nd Amendment.
    How can we simultaneously maintain liberty and apply the laws equally to everyone, when there's a large and easily-identifiable subgroup that simply can't be bothered to obey the law?
    My own preferred answer would be to enforce existing (already liberty-infringing) laws very strictly, and with draconian penalties. Sadly, that doesn't appear to be feasible - especially in the current year. Perhaps the science of HBD will lead to a Gattaca-like future in which that troublesome subgroup is identified and stripped of some of the rights that the rest of us enjoy? Hope springs eternal, but I think it's much more likely that we'll all be tarred with the same black brush - thereby losing the only real check on the coercive power of government. Of course, that's the very result that the Left seeks.
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  21. @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    “It’s a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren’t just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons.”

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?

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    Another eager beaver making up what he or she thinks I believe despite having stated very clearly.

    I do not support doing anything to the 2nd Amendment. It's clear and clean as day that the constitution was written to protect private gun ownership, whether for joining the, militia or shooting a rabbit or human miscreant.

    As far as I am concerned you can have an M60 tank in your garage or yard. But if anything happens to my roses, house, cat or dog, muchless myself due to your negligence -- we are going to have a chat and it won't be about taking away your tank or the second amendment.

    Note my advance here ---- based on the data provided in the article, most black people don't seem intent on taking anyone weapons. And those that do are not after the guns of white people - but guns in general, just like their white counter parts.

    The issues that causes consternation and gets liberals riles -- well most everyone -- are the random acts of mass shootings. And since most of those are committed by whites --- hence the rhetoric about whites and guns combined with a very convenient truth --- conservatives are very protective of gun rights as are most citizens and since most citizens in this country are white, it's a safe bet that a liberal is going to include whites uniquely as part of their assail ---

    The way to respond is either just accept that as fact -- by the numbers and contend the issues on the plate.

    Again trying to orient the discussion into a claim about city violence -- which certainly needs to be addressed misses the central theme that gets the issue on everyone's plate --


    mass shootings which are rare, but sensational. Inner city crime stats have been disproportional to the general population since there were inner city populations -- but the people of Newton, Columbine and the most recent community were not marching against two gang members shooting it out.

    No what motivated them was the sensational mass shootings --- I get the strategy here, but it won't overcome the sensational nature of mass shooti8ngs -- in which people in common places suddenly are ducking gun shots aimed at them for no reason other than someone had a bad day. I keep using the bad day reference because I am thinking of the young girl in San Diego whose response to shooting people at a local elementary school was,

    She didn't like Tues(?) or Mondays(?) Those are the kinds of incidents that mobilize people against weapons ownership and fuel gun control activists.

    And those who are familiar with my comments on weapons and mass shootings will note, I count the vent(s) as tragic but not epidemic enough to warrant much in the way of legislation.
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  22. anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

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    So the SJW known as Joe Wong has changed his her or its name.
    , @RadicalCenter
    I must concede that you're onto something, when I see "my" government helping the Saudis to slaughter and starve out hundreds of thousands of men, women, children, handicapped, and elderly in Yemen -- and almost nobody here knows it is happening, and even fewer people would even pretend to care for even a minute when told about it.

    Yemenis may be people whom I don't want settling in my country, but they are PEOPLE and not animals or objects. We ought to require compelling reasons before harming them or helping their enemies harm them.

    , @Phil from N.J.
    anonymous[243] p.o.s. puked: "Homicide by white racist filth"

    F-you, you bigoted, anti-white, non-white racist filth. Homicide by "white racist filth" is dwarfed by black and Hispanic racist filth.
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  23. joef says:

    There will be the usual comments obfuscating the facts here, demanding the rest of us live in denial of the facts. And for those of us who dealt with it for real, living in the city, the readily observable fact is this: Afro americans commit most of the violent crime, and commit most of the neighborhood destruction to urban areas (not Hispanics, not Asians, not Jews, not ethnic Catholics, not WASPS, not cops, not Arabs, not even Subsaharan African immigrants, but afro americans exclusively are the worst offenders).

    Yet despite libtard demands to ignore the obvious, for those of us who had to live with it, the denial of reality can be very personally dangerous. But limo libs, and leftist progs are not the only libtards who demand this denial of racial realism, it is also the anarcho capitalist libtards (unlike the great past tradition of paleo libertarianism that was firmly rooted in racial reality concerning afro americans), who pander to the BLM cause like they are freedom fighters, when in fact they are nothing more than thugs. It is easy to pontificate from afar with feel good theories when your personal safety is never on the line, because you reside in cupcake land (and therefore do not have a clue).

    Unlike the rest of us who must deal with this constant very real threat to personal safety, one on one (or many on one) against your lonesome, where you must survive by your wits, brawn, and skill (with all the nonsense theorizing having zero application). This is something that the libtard (anarchos, liberals, and leftist), living in cupcake land, cannot understand. Yet if they ended up in prison they would instantly be converted into some afro’s maytag (If in prison, L Rockwell, and W Grig would be getting their Sh-t pushed in while they beg that they support the BLM… what pathetic panderers they are).

    When this debt ridden system finally degenerates into failed state like conditions, and all this unnecessary racial polarization creates the conditions for a post collapse race war by the afro hordes, they will eventually invade cupcake land where the anarchos/leftist libtards will be easy pickings (and some of you will become the afros maytag) You will find out the hard way that you are just another White person, to a white hating radical afro predator.

    [I know the WRSA types believe that their hicktown mma mcdojo makes them equivalent to a NHB champ, and having been in the reserves makes them equivalent to Spec Ops, and hunting & fishing is the same as surviving the urban jungle {city boys can hunt and fish in the country, much easier than cupcake boys can learn how to be street smart}, but you may not be as tough as you think you are, when the deadly threat faces you alone, with no other help available... something a tough neighborhood city kid is very use to handling on his own, where a solo street fight can readily produce hospitalization, or even death].

    Economic decline plus racial balkanization equals disaster for this country. And despite the fact that you can blame afros for the majority of government entitlement debt, and violent crime, I do not believe they are un reformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations). But the first problem is that politicians are addicted to providing the afros welfare benefits in exchange for votes. The second problem is the MSM, and academia, promotes the nonsense of white privilege, that makes afros find scapegoats instead of seeking reform. Thus there is no incentive for afros to reform themselves, instead revert to blaming whitey for their own self created problems. As a result the decline will continue until it can continue no longer (with libtards suffering the consequences from what they promoted).

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    Well said. It's amazing that urban leftists don't see the poetic justice gorno shoot they are setting themselves up for. I saw a post on FB the other day with many upvotes, all from white libtards, cheering on the likely death sentence handed down to the white lady, who looks just like them, that was robbed in South Africa and let slip the k word.


    They'll just have to learn the hard way, I guess.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    ah, all of those 1.5% of the black population involved in violent crime are a picturesque generalization of the 98.5%.


    I hate to say it, but that level of fear appears irrational.
    , @Macumazahn
    "I do not believe they are unreformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations)."
    That's where you're wrong. With each passing day the pool of opportunities for your average IQ 85 Negro with poor self-control to become a productive citizen grows smaller. Perhaps they can be trained not to rob, rape and murder - but productive citizens? Nigga, please.
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  24. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

     

    Only 100% will do.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.

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  25. Sondjata says:
    @The King is A Fink
    Nice work. That first graphic is terrible though. You can see it comes from a Government department.

    Its a shame there are no figures for victims for all of the cities listed in the article. The principle problem with the focus on suspects or even arrests, is that this can simply be attributed to institutional racism. What would be more telling would be conviction rates, where the court system is arguably more objective.

    Whatever the case, the narrative that gun crimes are a white problem is clearly idiotic.

    While it isn’t in the article, the NYC Compstat data that was presented has graphs and numbers for victims of various crimes by race.

    A few of those graphs can be seen here:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/search?q=black+on+black+crime

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  26. Pat Boyle says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    The real Wizard of Oz was a phony. Hmmm.

    I approve of gun safes (sooner or later everyone has kids over). I approve of gun owners being trained. But what is limiting the number of guns owned supposed to do? Mad men don’t carry a dozen rifles with them when they go to shoot up a high school.

    I have three guns for home protection. More would make me less secure because they might attract the bad guys in the case of a natural disaster. When society breaks down and villains stalk your neighborhood as they did after Katrina, Sandy and Rodney King you don’t want to be known as the house with all the guns so as to supply the whole gang with firepower.. You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns. Too many guns are nearly as bad as no guns when gangs of looters start to roam.

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    Partially agree, partially disagree. Great point about not attracting undue attention in such crisis times.

    But what about a household with 3 or 4 adults? Two guns per adult and we're talking six or eight guns in the house. Quite appropriate and sensible.

    If each adult merely had a shotgun or rifle plus two handguns (one smaller to keep as backup and/or concealed), that would be 9-12 guns. Again, appropriate.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Good to hear the views of an American who isn't of the antigun left and who doesn't simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC - not even doors locked - I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren't black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren't impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don't appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.
    , @Macumazahn
    "You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns."
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.
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  27. “It’s time to discuss why gun violence in so many of our major cities is overwhelmingly committed by blacks, and why so many propagandists seem utterly determined to blame whites for it instead”

    fat chance of that ever happening. Nobody is interested in getting to the bottom of this issue, all that is desired is to blame and shame.

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  28. Olorin says:

    In America, white people are everywhere, and this ubiquity connects to perhaps our greatest irony: We (black people) are vastly outnumbered by them. . . . Our entire existence here is a continual assault on our bodies.

    Portraying American gun culture as an outgrowth of white racial paranoia

    Just who’s paranoid, again?

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  29. Sondjata says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    In regards to this:

    “a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —”

    The poverty as explanation for crime rates has been debunked:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/and-now-we-destroy-poverty-argument.html

    for example:

    “Black residents of block groups with incomes greater than $60 000 per year had firearm assault rates similar to those of White residents of areas with incomes between $20 001 and $30 000.”

    And

    “Therefore, unlike previous research in Chicago, race does not appear to be a surrogate for economic status in determining violent firearm injury risk in Philadelphia.3 Rather, our findings echo those of Kalesan et al.,5 who found that nationally, Black children were more likely than White children to be hospitalized with firearm injury regardless of neighborhood income level.”

    Links to original report are in the blog entry.

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    Good luck arguing with him... he is firmly steeped in academic fantasy. And he demands that racial reality of crime reports, and their many victims, be ignored (even at your own detriment). What he promotes is equivalent to saying touching a hot stove is okay (because an leftist academic said so). Some people have to learn harsh reality the hard way.
    , @ElitecommInc.
    I am not sure you actually read my comments. I did not say the old stand by poverty causes crime . . .


    But the correlation between urban poverty and crime is co No being poor does not equate too poverty. However, as I noted, the conditions of said communities that bred and encourage said dysfunctions are historically consistent despite the color of the population that inhabits the same. Your statement of the obvious in an eager attempt to tackle an argument I did not make is hereby dismissed --

    There's a system referred to as historicism and that system when applied or overlayed against certain urban environments reflect consistent dysfunctions: whether said inhabitants were of any color.


    Since your entire advance is predicated on an argument I am not making -- well,

    enough said.


    Your eagerness to score points of course missed the central arguments. blacks are not attempting to the guns away from whites. Blacks as their white democratic counterparts are after guns -- in general -- period.

    , @ElitecommInc.
    The causation -- corrollation argument has been established long before 2017. In otherwords, we have known that there is no singular poverty cause to effect relationship. It is not that simple. And it has been explicated since the 1970's, I think


    Excuse my terse manner. I was intending to address another matter but am having a hard time gaining access.
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  30. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    we already have most that dude….WTF are you talking about? Everything was in place to stop parkland, more laws that are not enforced will solve nothing.

    HAD CURRENT LAWS BEEN FOLLOWED AND ENFORCED PARKLAND WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. This is not conjecture, this is fact. So creating your new laws that will not be enforced will solve nothing

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    Yep, as I said, rigorously enforced.
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  31. joef says:

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.

    It is not just a Second Amendment issue. And as a citizen you have the absolute right (and responsibility) to protect yourself, your household, and your neighborhood (which was always tacitly approved by the old City beat cop on the street). District Attorneys who seek political advantage, and MSM praise, by convicting legitimate acts of self defense should themselves be prosecuted (like the prosecutors in the Trayvon M case).

    With all the threatening that leftist promote against Trump supporters, and White people in general, anyone would be a fool to give up their guns. Radical afro predators pick easy targets, and are discouraged by hard fighting, and guns in fact can deter their aggressive predatory behavior.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).

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  32. joef says:
    @Sondjata
    In regards to this:

    "a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —"

    The poverty as explanation for crime rates has been debunked:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/and-now-we-destroy-poverty-argument.html

    for example:

    "Black residents of block groups with incomes greater than $60 000 per year had firearm assault rates similar to those of White residents of areas with incomes between $20 001 and $30 000."

    And

    "Therefore, unlike previous research in Chicago, race does not appear to be a surrogate for economic status in determining violent firearm injury risk in Philadelphia.3 Rather, our findings echo those of Kalesan et al.,5 who found that nationally, Black children were more likely than White children to be hospitalized with firearm injury regardless of neighborhood income level."

    Links to original report are in the blog entry.

    Good luck arguing with him… he is firmly steeped in academic fantasy. And he demands that racial reality of crime reports, and their many victims, be ignored (even at your own detriment). What he promotes is equivalent to saying touching a hot stove is okay (because an leftist academic said so). Some people have to learn harsh reality the hard way.

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  33. @Sondjata
    In regards to this:

    "a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —"

    The poverty as explanation for crime rates has been debunked:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/and-now-we-destroy-poverty-argument.html

    for example:

    "Black residents of block groups with incomes greater than $60 000 per year had firearm assault rates similar to those of White residents of areas with incomes between $20 001 and $30 000."

    And

    "Therefore, unlike previous research in Chicago, race does not appear to be a surrogate for economic status in determining violent firearm injury risk in Philadelphia.3 Rather, our findings echo those of Kalesan et al.,5 who found that nationally, Black children were more likely than White children to be hospitalized with firearm injury regardless of neighborhood income level."

    Links to original report are in the blog entry.

    I am not sure you actually read my comments. I did not say the old stand by poverty causes crime . . .

    But the correlation between urban poverty and crime is co No being poor does not equate too poverty. However, as I noted, the conditions of said communities that bred and encourage said dysfunctions are historically consistent despite the color of the population that inhabits the same. Your statement of the obvious in an eager attempt to tackle an argument I did not make is hereby dismissed —

    There’s a system referred to as historicism and that system when applied or overlayed against certain urban environments reflect consistent dysfunctions: whether said inhabitants were of any color.

    Since your entire advance is predicated on an argument I am not making — well,

    enough said.

    Your eagerness to score points of course missed the central arguments. blacks are not attempting to the guns away from whites. Blacks as their white democratic counterparts are after guns — in general — period.

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  34. joef says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I've read through this writer, Mr. Paul Kersey's writings on his own blog sbpdl, and found only one major thing that I disagree with him on. Kersey has stated in the past that he didn't agree with letting blacks own guns (I am paraphrasing, so he may want to correct me). Maybe it was - "they shouldn't own guns". As much as I agree with the stats here and causes, as documented much more deeply on Kersey's blog, I am a strict Constitutionalist.

    Keep in mind that there are decent black people who need to be able to defend themselves against the black ghetto thugs that are the point of this article (and indeed the bulk of the gun murder and maiming that goes on in America).

    It's amazing that more Americans don't know the facts that you laid down here. Thank you, and thanks, Ron Unz.

    Keep in mind that there are decent black people who need to be able to defend themselves against the black ghetto thugs that are the point of this article (and indeed the bulk of the gun murder and maiming that goes on in America).

    I agree with that assessment. I am highly critical of the radical afro american predator, but they are not all this way, and decent Blacks need a means to safeguard themselves and their families too. Unfortunately for them (if what I believe is coming is in fact true), our debt ridden system will cause a continuous economic decline, that if unabated will eventually result in a failed state (the cities will be first). Couple that with the racial polarization that leftist progs irresponsibly promoted with afro americans, it will result in an afro american declared race war (when the welfare benefits stop). Once that happens, Non Blacks will not trust any Black, which will lead into a shoot first and ask questions later mentality. Decent Blacks will have no where to go under those circumstances. We can thank our leaders/elites for recklessly leading all of us into this mess.

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  35. @Sondjata
    In regards to this:

    "a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be — seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc —"

    The poverty as explanation for crime rates has been debunked:

    http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2017/05/and-now-we-destroy-poverty-argument.html

    for example:

    "Black residents of block groups with incomes greater than $60 000 per year had firearm assault rates similar to those of White residents of areas with incomes between $20 001 and $30 000."

    And

    "Therefore, unlike previous research in Chicago, race does not appear to be a surrogate for economic status in determining violent firearm injury risk in Philadelphia.3 Rather, our findings echo those of Kalesan et al.,5 who found that nationally, Black children were more likely than White children to be hospitalized with firearm injury regardless of neighborhood income level."

    Links to original report are in the blog entry.

    The causation — corrollation argument has been established long before 2017. In otherwords, we have known that there is no singular poverty cause to effect relationship. It is not that simple. And it has been explicated since the 1970′s, I think

    Excuse my terse manner. I was intending to address another matter but am having a hard time gaining access.

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  36. Svigor says:

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?

    It’s an eminently soluble problem – just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn’t have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way. Keep your rate of search high enough, and Blacks won’t be able to afford to keep replacing the weapons.

    This also solves the usual leftard complaint that anything short of a federal-level ban on guns will be insufficient, because weapons will be smuggled in from outside the jurisdiction; it doesn’t matter where the guns come from, because if the problematic demographic (Black males aged 12 to 32) are carrying them, they’ll be rapidly confiscated.

    This won’t prevent Blacks from carrying legally, either; if they present a concealed carry permit, their weapons won’t be confiscated.

    It also wouldn’t prevent Blacks from keeping guns for home defense. It would only prevent Blacks from illegally carrying concealed firearms.

    All it would require is buy-in from the Black political machine; Blacks would need to agree to surrender some of their right to be free from “unwarranted” search and seizure, or at least, the Black political leadership would. It’s their choice; if their right not to be frisked outweighs their security concerns, that’s a legitimate choice, too.

    This is all pretty obvious stuff. It’s equally obvious that leftists aren’t interested. If they were, they’d have started a political campaign to raise awareness and get Blacks on-side by now. I.e., leftists aren’t even trying to persuade Blacks to go along with stop-and-frisk. But they don’t, because they aren’t determined to save lives – they’re determined to use dead Blacks as a (really stupid) justification for disarming law-abiding Whites. Leftists blather about Blacks’ right to be free from “unwarranted” search and seizure because they want the stop-and-frisk argument to go away, but leftists obviously aren’t Constitutionalists; their efforts to infringe on the Constitution are myriad and ongoing.

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

    Confused darkie horseshit; nobody was more steadfastly against the 2nd Iraq invasion (for example) than White Nationalists were. Stupid darkie.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.

    100% Whites being killed by Whites. The solution to murder is forever elusive; the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple. The good news is, if that 100% is achieved, the absolute number of White murder victims will be substantially lower.

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.

    If that is true, then it’s also true that confiscating illegal drugs from private citizens is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).

    Stop-and-frisk only permits the disarming of criminals, while allowing law-abiding citizens to keep their guns. That’s probably why it’s the one form of “gun control” that leftists hate.

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    It’s an eminently soluble problem – just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn’t have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way.
     
    Are you sure you are a South Carolina SWiPpLe and not a Jewish lawyer, Sport? A lot of your suggestions seem to end up with "those" people taking a lot of money from the government via lawsuit...
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Uhhhh, no. I would prefer not to support random searches and seizures based on a statistic that encompasses but a very small number of the population and more importantly very specific neighborhoods. And even then a small proportion of said neighborhood.

    Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view
    , @Truth

    the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple.
     
    Great, then I would suggest you stop hiding behind a psudeonym and start standing on tables with a megaphone, Jimmy Hoffa!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!
    , @Anon
    Correction, blacks between 12 and 60. Black men don’t end their criminal careers at 32. Historically, when police start searching men and teen boys, their women and teen girl friends start carrying their guns to and from the sites of the robberies, mugging, and burglaries and killings.

    It was so common at one time the women were known as gun molls.
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  37. Svigor says:

    The causation — corrollation argument has been established long before 2017. In otherwords, we have known that there is no singular poverty cause to effect relationship. It is not that simple. And it has been explicated since the 1970′s, I think

    Excuse my terse manner. I was intending to address another matter but am having a hard time gaining access.

    Low human capital (low IQ being especially salient) as the cause of poverty, low educational outcomes, violent crime, and a plethora of pathologies, makes a lot more sense than poverty as the cause of all of those things.

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    I guess it takes a while to catch up. Poverty is caused by unemployment, which may or may not have something to do with IQ. Unemployment may or may not be linked to education depending on the demands of available or desired work in one's community. Accompanying poverty is a host of other issues -- dysfunctions, i.e. drugs, single parents, etc. I do not mention specifically, it's a long list --

    But all of them are more prevalent among low income communities that all when combined are factors, despite no direct causation to criminal activity itself.

    I did not say, nor hint that poverty is the cause of crime. It is the most common denominator among a host of dysfunctions.


    Maybe if I state several hundred more times in several hundred different ways --- those eager to malign me more than address the position will cease making up what they think I said, would ;like to say and acknowledge what I act5ually wrote.


    No poverty does not cause crime. No the evidence does not indicate poverty equals crime. Poverty is a backdrop or is correlated with said conditions that breed(?) contribute to a host of dysfunctions that is reflective in most high crime areas.


    Ohh wait maybe I wasn't clear ---- criminal activity has a correlation with poverty and it's various attributes or manifestations of human dysfunctions.


    No poor people are not by definition criminals ---- I remain sure that this matter was explicated with greater nuance by the 1970's.
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  38. @SunBakedSuburb
    "It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons."

    Good luck getting the black market guns from "those inner city users". Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can't help themselves, right?

    Another eager beaver making up what he or she thinks I believe despite having stated very clearly.

    I do not support doing anything to the 2nd Amendment. It’s clear and clean as day that the constitution was written to protect private gun ownership, whether for joining the, militia or shooting a rabbit or human miscreant.

    As far as I am concerned you can have an M60 tank in your garage or yard. But if anything happens to my roses, house, cat or dog, muchless myself due to your negligence — we are going to have a chat and it won’t be about taking away your tank or the second amendment.

    Note my advance here —- based on the data provided in the article, most black people don’t seem intent on taking anyone weapons. And those that do are not after the guns of white people – but guns in general, just like their white counter parts.

    The issues that causes consternation and gets liberals riles — well most everyone — are the random acts of mass shootings. And since most of those are committed by whites — hence the rhetoric about whites and guns combined with a very convenient truth — conservatives are very protective of gun rights as are most citizens and since most citizens in this country are white, it’s a safe bet that a liberal is going to include whites uniquely as part of their assail —

    The way to respond is either just accept that as fact — by the numbers and contend the issues on the plate.

    Again trying to orient the discussion into a claim about city violence — which certainly needs to be addressed misses the central theme that gets the issue on everyone’s plate –

    mass shootings which are rare, but sensational. Inner city crime stats have been disproportional to the general population since there were inner city populations — but the people of Newton, Columbine and the most recent community were not marching against two gang members shooting it out.

    No what motivated them was the sensational mass shootings — I get the strategy here, but it won’t overcome the sensational nature of mass shooti8ngs — in which people in common places suddenly are ducking gun shots aimed at them for no reason other than someone had a bad day. I keep using the bad day reference because I am thinking of the young girl in San Diego whose response to shooting people at a local elementary school was,

    She didn’t like Tues(?) or Mondays(?) Those are the kinds of incidents that mobilize people against weapons ownership and fuel gun control activists.

    And those who are familiar with my comments on weapons and mass shootings will note, I count the vent(s) as tragic but not epidemic enough to warrant much in the way of legislation.

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  39. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?
     
    It's an eminently soluble problem - just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn't have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way. Keep your rate of search high enough, and Blacks won't be able to afford to keep replacing the weapons.

    This also solves the usual leftard complaint that anything short of a federal-level ban on guns will be insufficient, because weapons will be smuggled in from outside the jurisdiction; it doesn't matter where the guns come from, because if the problematic demographic (Black males aged 12 to 32) are carrying them, they'll be rapidly confiscated.

    This won't prevent Blacks from carrying legally, either; if they present a concealed carry permit, their weapons won't be confiscated.

    It also wouldn't prevent Blacks from keeping guns for home defense. It would only prevent Blacks from illegally carrying concealed firearms.

    All it would require is buy-in from the Black political machine; Blacks would need to agree to surrender some of their right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure, or at least, the Black political leadership would. It's their choice; if their right not to be frisked outweighs their security concerns, that's a legitimate choice, too.

    This is all pretty obvious stuff. It's equally obvious that leftists aren't interested. If they were, they'd have started a political campaign to raise awareness and get Blacks on-side by now. I.e., leftists aren't even trying to persuade Blacks to go along with stop-and-frisk. But they don't, because they aren't determined to save lives - they're determined to use dead Blacks as a (really stupid) justification for disarming law-abiding Whites. Leftists blather about Blacks' right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure because they want the stop-and-frisk argument to go away, but leftists obviously aren't Constitutionalists; their efforts to infringe on the Constitution are myriad and ongoing.

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

     

    Confused darkie horseshit; nobody was more steadfastly against the 2nd Iraq invasion (for example) than White Nationalists were. Stupid darkie.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.
     
    100% Whites being killed by Whites. The solution to murder is forever elusive; the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple. The good news is, if that 100% is achieved, the absolute number of White murder victims will be substantially lower.

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.
     
    If that is true, then it's also true that confiscating illegal drugs from private citizens is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).
     
    Stop-and-frisk only permits the disarming of criminals, while allowing law-abiding citizens to keep their guns. That's probably why it's the one form of "gun control" that leftists hate.

    It’s an eminently soluble problem – just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn’t have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way.

    Are you sure you are a South Carolina SWiPpLe and not a Jewish lawyer, Sport? A lot of your suggestions seem to end up with “those” people taking a lot of money from the government via lawsuit…

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  40. @Svigor

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?
     
    It's an eminently soluble problem - just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn't have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way. Keep your rate of search high enough, and Blacks won't be able to afford to keep replacing the weapons.

    This also solves the usual leftard complaint that anything short of a federal-level ban on guns will be insufficient, because weapons will be smuggled in from outside the jurisdiction; it doesn't matter where the guns come from, because if the problematic demographic (Black males aged 12 to 32) are carrying them, they'll be rapidly confiscated.

    This won't prevent Blacks from carrying legally, either; if they present a concealed carry permit, their weapons won't be confiscated.

    It also wouldn't prevent Blacks from keeping guns for home defense. It would only prevent Blacks from illegally carrying concealed firearms.

    All it would require is buy-in from the Black political machine; Blacks would need to agree to surrender some of their right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure, or at least, the Black political leadership would. It's their choice; if their right not to be frisked outweighs their security concerns, that's a legitimate choice, too.

    This is all pretty obvious stuff. It's equally obvious that leftists aren't interested. If they were, they'd have started a political campaign to raise awareness and get Blacks on-side by now. I.e., leftists aren't even trying to persuade Blacks to go along with stop-and-frisk. But they don't, because they aren't determined to save lives - they're determined to use dead Blacks as a (really stupid) justification for disarming law-abiding Whites. Leftists blather about Blacks' right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure because they want the stop-and-frisk argument to go away, but leftists obviously aren't Constitutionalists; their efforts to infringe on the Constitution are myriad and ongoing.

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

     

    Confused darkie horseshit; nobody was more steadfastly against the 2nd Iraq invasion (for example) than White Nationalists were. Stupid darkie.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.
     
    100% Whites being killed by Whites. The solution to murder is forever elusive; the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple. The good news is, if that 100% is achieved, the absolute number of White murder victims will be substantially lower.

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.
     
    If that is true, then it's also true that confiscating illegal drugs from private citizens is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).
     
    Stop-and-frisk only permits the disarming of criminals, while allowing law-abiding citizens to keep their guns. That's probably why it's the one form of "gun control" that leftists hate.

    Uhhhh, no. I would prefer not to support random searches and seizures based on a statistic that encompasses but a very small number of the population and more importantly very specific neighborhoods. And even then a small proportion of said neighborhood.

    Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view

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    "Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view."
    Fair enough.
    But might it not be time to look at infringing some other right for a change?
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  41. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?
     
    It's an eminently soluble problem - just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn't have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way. Keep your rate of search high enough, and Blacks won't be able to afford to keep replacing the weapons.

    This also solves the usual leftard complaint that anything short of a federal-level ban on guns will be insufficient, because weapons will be smuggled in from outside the jurisdiction; it doesn't matter where the guns come from, because if the problematic demographic (Black males aged 12 to 32) are carrying them, they'll be rapidly confiscated.

    This won't prevent Blacks from carrying legally, either; if they present a concealed carry permit, their weapons won't be confiscated.

    It also wouldn't prevent Blacks from keeping guns for home defense. It would only prevent Blacks from illegally carrying concealed firearms.

    All it would require is buy-in from the Black political machine; Blacks would need to agree to surrender some of their right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure, or at least, the Black political leadership would. It's their choice; if their right not to be frisked outweighs their security concerns, that's a legitimate choice, too.

    This is all pretty obvious stuff. It's equally obvious that leftists aren't interested. If they were, they'd have started a political campaign to raise awareness and get Blacks on-side by now. I.e., leftists aren't even trying to persuade Blacks to go along with stop-and-frisk. But they don't, because they aren't determined to save lives - they're determined to use dead Blacks as a (really stupid) justification for disarming law-abiding Whites. Leftists blather about Blacks' right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure because they want the stop-and-frisk argument to go away, but leftists obviously aren't Constitutionalists; their efforts to infringe on the Constitution are myriad and ongoing.

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

     

    Confused darkie horseshit; nobody was more steadfastly against the 2nd Iraq invasion (for example) than White Nationalists were. Stupid darkie.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.
     
    100% Whites being killed by Whites. The solution to murder is forever elusive; the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple. The good news is, if that 100% is achieved, the absolute number of White murder victims will be substantially lower.

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.
     
    If that is true, then it's also true that confiscating illegal drugs from private citizens is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).
     
    Stop-and-frisk only permits the disarming of criminals, while allowing law-abiding citizens to keep their guns. That's probably why it's the one form of "gun control" that leftists hate.

    the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple.

    Great, then I would suggest you stop hiding behind a psudeonym and start standing on tables with a megaphone, Jimmy Hoffa!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!

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    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!
     
    That's 630 whites who would still be alive today had we shipped knee-grows back to Africa after the civil war or still allowed for de jure segregation.
    , @Anon
    Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that's OK too, I guess.
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  42. @Svigor

    The causation — corrollation argument has been established long before 2017. In otherwords, we have known that there is no singular poverty cause to effect relationship. It is not that simple. And it has been explicated since the 1970′s, I think

    Excuse my terse manner. I was intending to address another matter but am having a hard time gaining access.
     
    Low human capital (low IQ being especially salient) as the cause of poverty, low educational outcomes, violent crime, and a plethora of pathologies, makes a lot more sense than poverty as the cause of all of those things.

    I guess it takes a while to catch up. Poverty is caused by unemployment, which may or may not have something to do with IQ. Unemployment may or may not be linked to education depending on the demands of available or desired work in one’s community. Accompanying poverty is a host of other issues — dysfunctions, i.e. drugs, single parents, etc. I do not mention specifically, it’s a long list –

    But all of them are more prevalent among low income communities that all when combined are factors, despite no direct causation to criminal activity itself.

    I did not say, nor hint that poverty is the cause of crime. It is the most common denominator among a host of dysfunctions.

    Maybe if I state several hundred more times in several hundred different ways — those eager to malign me more than address the position will cease making up what they think I said, would ;like to say and acknowledge what I act5ually wrote.

    No poverty does not cause crime. No the evidence does not indicate poverty equals crime. Poverty is a backdrop or is correlated with said conditions that breed(?) contribute to a host of dysfunctions that is reflective in most high crime areas.

    Ohh wait maybe I wasn’t clear —- criminal activity has a correlation with poverty and it’s various attributes or manifestations of human dysfunctions.

    No poor people are not by definition criminals —- I remain sure that this matter was explicated with greater nuance by the 1970′s.

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    I agree with everything you wrote. It was well written too. We’re I your teacher I’d give you A + for the writing

    I specially liked your stating that IQ and education don’t nrcessarily equal good employment. That’s really a bourgeois late 19th 20th century thing anyway.

    In America affirmative action and massive immigration are making it less and less true that education training and IQ will result in a decent job.

    Before the allegedly crime rise in White rural areas due to the alleged opioid epidemic, numerous studies were made that showed that very poor all White rural communities in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshirr W Virginia and the Appalachian White areas had extremely low crime rates compared to middle class black neighborhoods.

    The protagonist in Les Miserables had to steal bread to feed his widowed sister’s children. But nowadays poor children get food stamps and cash so no one has to steal to feed and cloth them

    As a group, Hispanic immigrants are allegedly very poor. But their crime rates are much lower than black crime rates. It’s amazing how crime goes down when Hispanics replace blacks

    You are right , poverty is just a correlation, not a cause of crime.

    White collar crime and the Asian extortion rackets are profitable and a secure way of making a living

    But common street crime is a lot less profitable than minimum wage work.
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  43. Note: if in fact the issue that mobilizes people against pvt weapons ownership as I believe it is and explained why . . .

    here’s why the skin color matters in the argument being made.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

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    Are gang related shootings of 3 or more (last I read that was the definition of a mass shooting) in that graph? Or are only the "advertised" shootings listed?
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  44. AndrewR says:
    @Jesse James
    Who constitutes being labeled a gun-obsessed redneck in your premise? Is it a wealthy white man living in a gated community in the white suburbs who owns a large, high-dollar hunting rifle collection? Is it a lower-income man who lives in a trailer in an unincorporated county area who owns 2 or 3 firearms and practices regularly, because he dug out a small range on his own property? Or, is it a white family who owns a Mossberg 500 20gau. shotgun and a Taurus 9mm, because they live in a neighborhood or small city in close proximity to one of the USA's violence-prone urban Wakandas such as Kansas City, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta or Chicago?

    Did I hit a nerve?

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  45. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    Whiz, the problem is that Americans will end up like you Ozzie slaves, unarmed and subject to any sort of harm that anyone wants to inflict upon us. Australians need to butt out of our business.

    An ozzie asks, “Why do you want to own guns”

    An American answers, “Because kiss my ass”.

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    You evidently know nothing of Australia and can't read when the glaze goes over your eyes. See #69 and, also, my replies above to people who mostly can't or don't read.
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  46. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I guess it takes a while to catch up. Poverty is caused by unemployment, which may or may not have something to do with IQ. Unemployment may or may not be linked to education depending on the demands of available or desired work in one's community. Accompanying poverty is a host of other issues -- dysfunctions, i.e. drugs, single parents, etc. I do not mention specifically, it's a long list --

    But all of them are more prevalent among low income communities that all when combined are factors, despite no direct causation to criminal activity itself.

    I did not say, nor hint that poverty is the cause of crime. It is the most common denominator among a host of dysfunctions.


    Maybe if I state several hundred more times in several hundred different ways --- those eager to malign me more than address the position will cease making up what they think I said, would ;like to say and acknowledge what I act5ually wrote.


    No poverty does not cause crime. No the evidence does not indicate poverty equals crime. Poverty is a backdrop or is correlated with said conditions that breed(?) contribute to a host of dysfunctions that is reflective in most high crime areas.


    Ohh wait maybe I wasn't clear ---- criminal activity has a correlation with poverty and it's various attributes or manifestations of human dysfunctions.


    No poor people are not by definition criminals ---- I remain sure that this matter was explicated with greater nuance by the 1970's.

    I agree with everything you wrote. It was well written too. We’re I your teacher I’d give you A + for the writing

    I specially liked your stating that IQ and education don’t nrcessarily equal good employment. That’s really a bourgeois late 19th 20th century thing anyway.

    In America affirmative action and massive immigration are making it less and less true that education training and IQ will result in a decent job.

    Before the allegedly crime rise in White rural areas due to the alleged opioid epidemic, numerous studies were made that showed that very poor all White rural communities in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshirr W Virginia and the Appalachian White areas had extremely low crime rates compared to middle class black neighborhoods.

    The protagonist in Les Miserables had to steal bread to feed his widowed sister’s children. But nowadays poor children get food stamps and cash so no one has to steal to feed and cloth them

    As a group, Hispanic immigrants are allegedly very poor. But their crime rates are much lower than black crime rates. It’s amazing how crime goes down when Hispanics replace blacks

    You are right , poverty is just a correlation, not a cause of crime.

    White collar crime and the Asian extortion rackets are profitable and a secure way of making a living

    But common street crime is a lot less profitable than minimum wage work.

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  47. @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    You are cleverly lying by omission.

    Here are the real numbers for 2012 – 2013.

    Roughly 4 million whites were victims of violent crime. Blacks committed 14% of those crimes.

    Blacks were victimized roughly 1 million times over the same period. 10.4% of those crimes were perpetrated by whites.

    13.7% of 4,091,971 = 560,600 = number of violent crimes against whites committed by blacks.
    10.4% of 955,800 = 99,403 = number of violent crimes against blacks committed by whites.

    Whites are 62% of America’s population.
    Blacks are 12.5%

    To compare apples to apples, we must multiply each by whatever it takes to equal 50%, as though each were exactly half of the population and committed violent crime against the other race at the same rates as they do today.

    For blacks that factor is 4. So if the nation were 50% black and 50% white, blacks would commit 4 x 560,600 = 2,242,400 acts of violence against whites.

    For whites the factor is 0.806. Whites would then commit 0.806 x 99,403 = 80,163 acts of violence against blacks.

    The black against white rate is 2,242,400/80,163 = 28 times larger than that of the white against black.

    And that’s a walloping discrepancy. No wonder whites fear blacks. A white can only judge a black by the standards he brings to bear on his peers and his environment, and by white standards, blacks are incredibly more violent prone than fellow whites. Spin it any way you like, but whites have good reason to be leary of black men.

    But don’t flatter yourself, Truth, we’re not afraid of you, as you like to imagine. We’re wary of you as one would be of a wild animal. Our attitude can be summarized, “Sometimes it can be trusted, but don’t turn your back on it”.

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    This is entirely senseless, Blaise Pascal.

    No matter how many blacks are victimized or offenders, and no matter how many whites are vicitimized or offenders, the RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same.

    And the simple fact is that the vast majority of crimes committed against whites are committed BY whites, that is in every category that I have seen.
    , @EliteComminc.
    Nor in reality, if the reason said crimes occurred were because said blacks, if the number you propose are correct, were targeting whites, maybe so. But this is a numbers games. There are simply mores than blacks and given that it makes sense that more whites would be recipients/victims of black actors.

    Furthermore, you are not talking primarily about random acts of crime. we are talking violence largely among people similar situated and in some manner in relationship to one another as in the case with most violent acts -- it's of an interpersonal nature. That's not spin, that's how crime exists as a phenomenon in society. Violent exchanges most occur among known associates. To the extent that more blacks associate with whites than vice versa, one should expect a discrepancy. Whether that means that blacks are cause to fear at large is quite another matter.

    Given the percentages of the black population actually involved in criminal behavior and the locations in which said criminal behavior occurs -- I think there's plenty of irrationally fed fear.
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  48. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?

    It does not lower the crime rate, while making civilians helpless before the onslaught of gun-armed criminals.

    https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

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    You don't seem to have understood what I was suggesting. My reply to one who did is #69. There's a lot to be said for not feeling the need to own a gun to defend oneself against gun-armed criminals. As in 99 per cent of Australia (by population). You could find such places to live in your very large and diverse country without being in a gated community..... Note too: Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.
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  49. @anonymous
    The white homicide rate in Chicago is about as close to zero as one can get, about five dead so far this year and that would include being murdered by non-whites as well as the usual unpleasant domestic situations of people killing spouses, roommates, etc. Middle easterners are lumped into the white category so that could affect the stats especially at these low numbers. The website heyjackass.com gives the numbers. One glaring number jumps out and that's the fact that less than 15% of Chicago homicides are being cleared. 85% of murderers are literally getting away with it and probably more than once in some cases. This means that there's all these killers walking about freely in the streets of Chicago. Other crime such as carjacking is up, 938 last year. The constant chant of "gun crime" is being used as a smokescreen to obscure who is doing what and to avoid addressing the issue of the cultural dysfunction of the group that produces all these career criminals.

    The low murder clearance rates of dindustans also tend to seriously understate the black propensity for gun crime because the perps are never identified. Another problem is that black shootings are no where near as lethal as white shootings are. Although it’s text stripped right off a meme, the decreased lethality of black-perpetrated shootings is plausibly attributable to black’s poor marksmanship. In fact, that same poor marksmanship means that even black shootings probably undercount the public safety menace from these poor marksmen.

    So, from the Color of Crime, we learn that if all non-whites were removed from the NYC population, shootings would drop somewhere on the order of 98%. But even this number is likely to be seriously understated because the real problem is illegal gun discharges, a public-safety menace with few equals. If someone compiled total unlawful shots fired, it wouldn’t surprise me if spray-and-pray dindu shootists were responsible for 99.5%+ of all unlawful bullets flying through various Demi-rat utopias.

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  50. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes
    You are cleverly lying by omission.

    Here are the real numbers for 2012 - 2013.

    Roughly 4 million whites were victims of violent crime. Blacks committed 14% of those crimes.

    Blacks were victimized roughly 1 million times over the same period. 10.4% of those crimes were perpetrated by whites.

    13.7% of 4,091,971 = 560,600 = number of violent crimes against whites committed by blacks.
    10.4% of 955,800 = 99,403 = number of violent crimes against blacks committed by whites.

    Whites are 62% of America's population.
    Blacks are 12.5%

    To compare apples to apples, we must multiply each by whatever it takes to equal 50%, as though each were exactly half of the population and committed violent crime against the other race at the same rates as they do today.

    For blacks that factor is 4. So if the nation were 50% black and 50% white, blacks would commit 4 x 560,600 = 2,242,400 acts of violence against whites.

    For whites the factor is 0.806. Whites would then commit 0.806 x 99,403 = 80,163 acts of violence against blacks.

    The black against white rate is 2,242,400/80,163 = 28 times larger than that of the white against black.

    And that's a walloping discrepancy. No wonder whites fear blacks. A white can only judge a black by the standards he brings to bear on his peers and his environment, and by white standards, blacks are incredibly more violent prone than fellow whites. Spin it any way you like, but whites have good reason to be leary of black men.

    But don't flatter yourself, Truth, we're not afraid of you, as you like to imagine. We're wary of you as one would be of a wild animal. Our attitude can be summarized, "Sometimes it can be trusted, but don't turn your back on it".

    This is entirely senseless, Blaise Pascal.

    No matter how many blacks are victimized or offenders, and no matter how many whites are vicitimized or offenders, the RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same.

    And the simple fact is that the vast majority of crimes committed against whites are committed BY whites, that is in every category that I have seen.

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    Another lie.

    The "RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same".

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What's wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That's the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I'll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that's f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa's leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

    , @James Forrestal
    You can't possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Are you really incapable of comprehending such a simple concept as "per capita?" The relevant stat, as regards to a realistic assessment of the risk of a stranger attacking you for no apparent reason, has nothing to do with the total populations. It has to do with the characteristic of the group that stranger belongs to. Or do you somehow believe that every person in the country comes into contact with every other person in the entire population, every day?

    Using 2010 data:
    the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa. Moreover, blacks who committed violent crimes chose white victims 47.7% of the time, whereas whites who committed violent crimes targeted black victims only 3.9% of the time.*

    In other words, a Black who sees a random White male walking towards him has nothing to fear. A White who sees a Black male stranger walking towards him is quite correct in appraising that individual as markedly higher risk to commit random acts of violence.

    *According to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), an estimated 320,082 whites were victims of black violence in 2010, while 62,593 blacks were victims of white violence. That same year, according to the Census Bureau, the white and black populations in the U.S. were 196,817,552 and 37,685,848, respectively. Whites therefore committed acts of interracial violence at a rate of 32 per 100,000, while the black rate was 849 per 100,000. In other words, the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa.

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  51. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Good luck getting the black market guns from “those inner city users”. Your defense of black pathology reeks of condescension. Those darkies just can’t help themselves, right?
     
    It's an eminently soluble problem - just routinely search Black males between the ages of 12 and 32 on the street in problem areas. It doesn't have to be a big to-do; you just stop them, quickly frisk them, confiscate any illegal weapons found, and send them on their way. Keep your rate of search high enough, and Blacks won't be able to afford to keep replacing the weapons.

    This also solves the usual leftard complaint that anything short of a federal-level ban on guns will be insufficient, because weapons will be smuggled in from outside the jurisdiction; it doesn't matter where the guns come from, because if the problematic demographic (Black males aged 12 to 32) are carrying them, they'll be rapidly confiscated.

    This won't prevent Blacks from carrying legally, either; if they present a concealed carry permit, their weapons won't be confiscated.

    It also wouldn't prevent Blacks from keeping guns for home defense. It would only prevent Blacks from illegally carrying concealed firearms.

    All it would require is buy-in from the Black political machine; Blacks would need to agree to surrender some of their right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure, or at least, the Black political leadership would. It's their choice; if their right not to be frisked outweighs their security concerns, that's a legitimate choice, too.

    This is all pretty obvious stuff. It's equally obvious that leftists aren't interested. If they were, they'd have started a political campaign to raise awareness and get Blacks on-side by now. I.e., leftists aren't even trying to persuade Blacks to go along with stop-and-frisk. But they don't, because they aren't determined to save lives - they're determined to use dead Blacks as a (really stupid) justification for disarming law-abiding Whites. Leftists blather about Blacks' right to be free from "unwarranted" search and seizure because they want the stop-and-frisk argument to go away, but leftists obviously aren't Constitutionalists; their efforts to infringe on the Constitution are myriad and ongoing.

    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even “shitholers” are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals… essentially, non-humans.

     

    Confused darkie horseshit; nobody was more steadfastly against the 2nd Iraq invasion (for example) than White Nationalists were. Stupid darkie.

    100% Whites being killed by whites, or %100 murderless society. Because I have always understood that dead was dead; although I have read some “interesting” theories here.
     
    100% Whites being killed by Whites. The solution to murder is forever elusive; the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple. The good news is, if that 100% is achieved, the absolute number of White murder victims will be substantially lower.

    Remember that mass firearm confiscation from private citizens is a violation of the Fourth Amendment where government forcibly removes personal property without due process of law, for crimes that the gun owner themselves did not personally commit.
     
    If that is true, then it's also true that confiscating illegal drugs from private citizens is a violation of the 4th Amendment.

    Gun control permits the arming of criminals, while disarming the law abiding citizen. Yet every city that is in a state of decline, that has a high violent crime rate, are controlled by progressives who pushed gun control. And it didn’t work in London either (which leftist progs demand we emulate).
     
    Stop-and-frisk only permits the disarming of criminals, while allowing law-abiding citizens to keep their guns. That's probably why it's the one form of "gun control" that leftists hate.

    Correction, blacks between 12 and 60. Black men don’t end their criminal careers at 32. Historically, when police start searching men and teen boys, their women and teen girl friends start carrying their guns to and from the sites of the robberies, mugging, and burglaries and killings.

    It was so common at one time the women were known as gun molls.

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    @anonymous
    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even "shitholers" are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals... essentially, non-humans.

    So the SJW known as Joe Wong has changed his her or its name.

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  53. @joef
    There will be the usual comments obfuscating the facts here, demanding the rest of us live in denial of the facts. And for those of us who dealt with it for real, living in the city, the readily observable fact is this: Afro americans commit most of the violent crime, and commit most of the neighborhood destruction to urban areas (not Hispanics, not Asians, not Jews, not ethnic Catholics, not WASPS, not cops, not Arabs, not even Subsaharan African immigrants, but afro americans exclusively are the worst offenders).

    Yet despite libtard demands to ignore the obvious, for those of us who had to live with it, the denial of reality can be very personally dangerous. But limo libs, and leftist progs are not the only libtards who demand this denial of racial realism, it is also the anarcho capitalist libtards (unlike the great past tradition of paleo libertarianism that was firmly rooted in racial reality concerning afro americans), who pander to the BLM cause like they are freedom fighters, when in fact they are nothing more than thugs. It is easy to pontificate from afar with feel good theories when your personal safety is never on the line, because you reside in cupcake land (and therefore do not have a clue).

    Unlike the rest of us who must deal with this constant very real threat to personal safety, one on one (or many on one) against your lonesome, where you must survive by your wits, brawn, and skill (with all the nonsense theorizing having zero application). This is something that the libtard (anarchos, liberals, and leftist), living in cupcake land, cannot understand. Yet if they ended up in prison they would instantly be converted into some afro's maytag (If in prison, L Rockwell, and W Grig would be getting their Sh-t pushed in while they beg that they support the BLM... what pathetic panderers they are).

    When this debt ridden system finally degenerates into failed state like conditions, and all this unnecessary racial polarization creates the conditions for a post collapse race war by the afro hordes, they will eventually invade cupcake land where the anarchos/leftist libtards will be easy pickings (and some of you will become the afros maytag) You will find out the hard way that you are just another White person, to a white hating radical afro predator.

    [I know the WRSA types believe that their hicktown mma mcdojo makes them equivalent to a NHB champ, and having been in the reserves makes them equivalent to Spec Ops, and hunting & fishing is the same as surviving the urban jungle {city boys can hunt and fish in the country, much easier than cupcake boys can learn how to be street smart}, but you may not be as tough as you think you are, when the deadly threat faces you alone, with no other help available... something a tough neighborhood city kid is very use to handling on his own, where a solo street fight can readily produce hospitalization, or even death].

    Economic decline plus racial balkanization equals disaster for this country. And despite the fact that you can blame afros for the majority of government entitlement debt, and violent crime, I do not believe they are un reformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations). But the first problem is that politicians are addicted to providing the afros welfare benefits in exchange for votes. The second problem is the MSM, and academia, promotes the nonsense of white privilege, that makes afros find scapegoats instead of seeking reform. Thus there is no incentive for afros to reform themselves, instead revert to blaming whitey for their own self created problems. As a result the decline will continue until it can continue no longer (with libtards suffering the consequences from what they promoted).

    Well said. It’s amazing that urban leftists don’t see the poetic justice gorno shoot they are setting themselves up for. I saw a post on FB the other day with many upvotes, all from white libtards, cheering on the likely death sentence handed down to the white lady, who looks just like them, that was robbed in South Africa and let slip the k word.

    They’ll just have to learn the hard way, I guess.

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    They’ll just have to learn the hard way, I guess.
     
    They will, but it will drag the rest of us into ruin also. I see no reversal because the libtard pandering to afro american pathology always seems to continue. Libtards never admit to a failed program, or that their program is nothing but an ineffectual money pit. Thus, it just continues with obfuscations, and denials (from the deep state, MSM, and academia) as to why things are in continuous decline & decay {NPR should call itself negro pandering radio, as it induces negro fatigue from their endless pandering segments about afro americans, and white privilege}.
    They will extort more & more taxes, and produce more & more debt, until we are essentially bankrupted, having spent the money of the future unborn. The only good thing is after the fall the libtards will die off, and then we can eventually impose controls against afro misbehavior. But much damage will have occurred before then, and the price for this will be an economy & society in complete disarray (before the rebuilding back to normalcy). You can never give up your firearms because then you will be defenseless during this unfortunate process (produced by reckless progressive ideas).
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  54. @ThreeCranes
    You are cleverly lying by omission.

    Here are the real numbers for 2012 - 2013.

    Roughly 4 million whites were victims of violent crime. Blacks committed 14% of those crimes.

    Blacks were victimized roughly 1 million times over the same period. 10.4% of those crimes were perpetrated by whites.

    13.7% of 4,091,971 = 560,600 = number of violent crimes against whites committed by blacks.
    10.4% of 955,800 = 99,403 = number of violent crimes against blacks committed by whites.

    Whites are 62% of America's population.
    Blacks are 12.5%

    To compare apples to apples, we must multiply each by whatever it takes to equal 50%, as though each were exactly half of the population and committed violent crime against the other race at the same rates as they do today.

    For blacks that factor is 4. So if the nation were 50% black and 50% white, blacks would commit 4 x 560,600 = 2,242,400 acts of violence against whites.

    For whites the factor is 0.806. Whites would then commit 0.806 x 99,403 = 80,163 acts of violence against blacks.

    The black against white rate is 2,242,400/80,163 = 28 times larger than that of the white against black.

    And that's a walloping discrepancy. No wonder whites fear blacks. A white can only judge a black by the standards he brings to bear on his peers and his environment, and by white standards, blacks are incredibly more violent prone than fellow whites. Spin it any way you like, but whites have good reason to be leary of black men.

    But don't flatter yourself, Truth, we're not afraid of you, as you like to imagine. We're wary of you as one would be of a wild animal. Our attitude can be summarized, "Sometimes it can be trusted, but don't turn your back on it".

    Nor in reality, if the reason said crimes occurred were because said blacks, if the number you propose are correct, were targeting whites, maybe so. But this is a numbers games. There are simply mores than blacks and given that it makes sense that more whites would be recipients/victims of black actors.

    Furthermore, you are not talking primarily about random acts of crime. we are talking violence largely among people similar situated and in some manner in relationship to one another as in the case with most violent acts — it’s of an interpersonal nature. That’s not spin, that’s how crime exists as a phenomenon in society. Violent exchanges most occur among known associates. To the extent that more blacks associate with whites than vice versa, one should expect a discrepancy. Whether that means that blacks are cause to fear at large is quite another matter.

    Given the percentages of the black population actually involved in criminal behavior and the locations in which said criminal behavior occurs — I think there’s plenty of irrationally fed fear.

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    My argument was speculative. I proposed a society composed of an equal population of blacks and whites and extrapolated today's statistics into that scenario. Some would be tempted to challenge the legitimacy of that extrapolation since, as you and others have pointed out, relative population affects contact, availability and opportunity. However, the facts present in the world today do not support skepticism based on your arguments. Quite the opposite.

    What we find in reality is that as the percentage of blacks relative to whites in a community rises, the rate of violence against whites goes up! As the number of whites dwindles; as, in your scenario, opportunity diminishes and you would argue that crime would or should go down; what we find empirically is the opposite to be the case. What actually occurs is genocide of whites.

    A smaller percentage of whites, providing seemingly less opportunity, actually emboldens blacks. Experience and history have shown that unconstrained by a dominant population, blacks run amuck and all artifacts and norms of civilization are smashed and trampled in the mud.

    It is no mystery why it would be in the interest of Truth, Obama, Holder and such to disguise their intentions by manipulating statistics since ultimately, black genocide of whites is the final outcome of their line of reasoning.

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  55. gwynedd1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    “Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.” -James Madison Federalist #46

    Buy furniture to support deforestation in Aokigahara if that be your wish…

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    Is that an Insular America comment I wonder? Don't know about the rest of the world and don't want to? You might find something for you in my reply to a thoughtful commenter #69
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  56. gwynedd1 says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    Seems to me a significant number of blacks are feeling the affects of Anarcho-tyranny the most.

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    I am disinclined to open that can of worms. Soon I will be labeled supporter of blacks committing crimes in the name of academic freedom or some such nonsense.


    Laugh.
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  57. KenH says:

    Even the left wing rag Slate had to grudgingly admit last year that when it comes to mass shootings white people are underrepresented (i.e., we commit shootings at a rate less than our percentage in the general population). When white males do commit mass shootings the jewsmedia hypes and over reports it along with fomenting anti-white racial hysteria so the low info bigoted dullards on the left get worked up into a frenzy.

    Some of these statistics both prove and disprove Ron Unz’s claims about Hispanic crime. On the one hand they commit far less gun crime than blacks (with the exception of NYC which has violent Puerto Ricans). But on the other they are around two times (Milwaukee) to four times (Chicago) more likely to commit gun crimes then whites. So no, their violent crime rates aren’t roughly the same as whites.

    And it would be a safe bet to assume that the white rate is slightly inflated since there’s likely still some Mexicans/Hispanics being lumped in with whites.

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    On the one hand they commit far less gun crime than blacks (with the exception of NYC which has violent Puerto Ricans)
     
    Nuyoricans are unique: Many of the working class Puerto Ricans do not like being exposed to afro american dysfunctions, and prefer not to reside with them in the same neighborhood (this can be said for Subsaharran African immigrants as well); However there is a smaller segment of Nuyoricans that are pathetic afro american ghetto wannabe's, and choose to behave with no discernible difference. There are many naive suburban white millennials who also want to act like afros but are unable incorporate the same level of impulsive violence.
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  58. KenH says:
    @Truth

    the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple.
     
    Great, then I would suggest you stop hiding behind a psudeonym and start standing on tables with a megaphone, Jimmy Hoffa!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!

    That’s 630 whites who would still be alive today had we shipped knee-grows back to Africa after the civil war or still allowed for de jure segregation.

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    Nah, because white liberals would have no one else to agitate, and moralize for except you. The murder rate would be 3x higher.
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  59. Svigor says:

    Uhhhh, no. I would prefer not to support random searches and seizures based on a statistic that encompasses but a very small number of the population and more importantly very specific neighborhoods. And even then a small proportion of said neighborhood.

    Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view

    I’m not talking about random searches. I’m talking about profiling. Just ask your neighborhood leftist if profiling is “random.”

    Hey, I don’t blame you, I don’t want it in my neighborhood, either. But I do support it as a way to give “gun control” lunatics what they claim to want.

    Unless they don’t really want what they claim to want…

    …in which case, Black lives don’t matter…

    In any event, I’m going to continue responding to “gun control” lunatics with this argument.

    I guess it takes a while to catch up. Poverty is caused by unemployment, which may or may not have something to do with IQ. Unemployment may or may not be linked to education depending on the demands of available or desired work in one’s community. Accompanying poverty is a host of other issues — dysfunctions, i.e. drugs, single parents, etc. I do not mention specifically, it’s a long list –

    Nah, unemployment is just a means to poverty, of which there are several. E.g., drug addiction, gambling addiction, profligacy (don’t they sell more cognac in Detroit than anywhere else?), etc.

    The cause is low human capital.

    But all of them are more prevalent among low income communities that all when combined are factors, despite no direct causation to criminal activity itself.

    They’re common among lottery-winners and ex-NBA players, too. Unfortunate fact of life; a fool and his money are soon parted.

    here’s why the skin color matters in the argument being made.

    1. I’ve seen enough of those tallies not to trust them. They’re usually bogus.
    2. Mass shootings are statistically insignificant. Bee stings and lightning strikes kill more people.

    Correction, blacks between 12 and 60. Black men don’t end their criminal careers at 32. Historically, when police start searching men and teen boys, their women and teen girl friends start carrying their guns to and from the sites of the robberies, mugging, and burglaries and killings.

    It was so common at one time the women were known as gun molls.

    Yeah, we can quibble over the best way to profile.

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  60. @EliteComminc.
    Nor in reality, if the reason said crimes occurred were because said blacks, if the number you propose are correct, were targeting whites, maybe so. But this is a numbers games. There are simply mores than blacks and given that it makes sense that more whites would be recipients/victims of black actors.

    Furthermore, you are not talking primarily about random acts of crime. we are talking violence largely among people similar situated and in some manner in relationship to one another as in the case with most violent acts -- it's of an interpersonal nature. That's not spin, that's how crime exists as a phenomenon in society. Violent exchanges most occur among known associates. To the extent that more blacks associate with whites than vice versa, one should expect a discrepancy. Whether that means that blacks are cause to fear at large is quite another matter.

    Given the percentages of the black population actually involved in criminal behavior and the locations in which said criminal behavior occurs -- I think there's plenty of irrationally fed fear.

    My argument was speculative. I proposed a society composed of an equal population of blacks and whites and extrapolated today’s statistics into that scenario. Some would be tempted to challenge the legitimacy of that extrapolation since, as you and others have pointed out, relative population affects contact, availability and opportunity. However, the facts present in the world today do not support skepticism based on your arguments. Quite the opposite.

    What we find in reality is that as the percentage of blacks relative to whites in a community rises, the rate of violence against whites goes up! As the number of whites dwindles; as, in your scenario, opportunity diminishes and you would argue that crime would or should go down; what we find empirically is the opposite to be the case. What actually occurs is genocide of whites.

    A smaller percentage of whites, providing seemingly less opportunity, actually emboldens blacks. Experience and history have shown that unconstrained by a dominant population, blacks run amuck and all artifacts and norms of civilization are smashed and trampled in the mud.

    It is no mystery why it would be in the interest of Truth, Obama, Holder and such to disguise their intentions by manipulating statistics since ultimately, black genocide of whites is the final outcome of their line of reasoning.

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    @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    But whites are much less likely to commit murder than are blacks.

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    ...And much MORE likely to murder whites. That's why they do. Numbers don't lie.
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  62. @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    Most Hispanics in the US are not primarily white, and there are plenty who have no desire to be perceived as white.

    Most Mexicans in the US, and most Latinos generally in the US, are genetically and visibly part white and a greater part “Native American” Indian (and/or African, in the case of Puerto Ricans and to a lesser extent Brazilians).

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    Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks
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  63. @D.L.
    While it is a politics thing, I don't think it's a "color" thing. Ask any black or Hispanic (or Asian or Muslim or Jew or Hindu, etc) living in RURAL AMERICA--there's still a few you know--if they want to just give up their guns. The answer would be a resounding NO! Because unlike city folks, rural folks live in REALITY every second of every day, and here's the reality: mountain lions,bears, foxes, wolves, wild pigs/hogs/javelinas, deer, burros, donkeys, rodents, rabbits, snakes, etc. out to get them or their gardens or their livestock or their crops...or them. And then down here in far west Texas you also have illegals, some of whom carry guns of you know what I mean...

    Good comment, sir. I’ll just quibble that “rural” ain’t what it used to be, demographically.

    There are millions of Mexicans living in rural areas all across inland California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and southern Colorado, outnumbering non-Mexicans in more and more of those little towns.

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    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.
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  64. @Truth
    This is entirely senseless, Blaise Pascal.

    No matter how many blacks are victimized or offenders, and no matter how many whites are vicitimized or offenders, the RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same.

    And the simple fact is that the vast majority of crimes committed against whites are committed BY whites, that is in every category that I have seen.

    Another lie.

    The “RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same”.

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What’s wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That’s the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa’s leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

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    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh...buh...buh... Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks...

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh...buh...buh...Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend...


    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.
     

    Well so I've been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?
    , @ThreeCranes
    Whoops. Correction.
    Not 1 out of 5, but 1 to 5 or 1 out of 6.

    12.5 / 12.5+ 63 = 16.6 % the new, 2018 percentage of blacks relative to whites in America.

    So, again, the commonly cited statistic (even in the main stream media) that black percentage of population has remained constant (relative to whites) is wrong.
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  65. @anonymous
    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even "shitholers" are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals... essentially, non-humans.

    I must concede that you’re onto something, when I see “my” government helping the Saudis to slaughter and starve out hundreds of thousands of men, women, children, handicapped, and elderly in Yemen — and almost nobody here knows it is happening, and even fewer people would even pretend to care for even a minute when told about it.

    Yemenis may be people whom I don’t want settling in my country, but they are PEOPLE and not animals or objects. We ought to require compelling reasons before harming them or helping their enemies harm them.

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  66. @Pat Boyle
    The real Wizard of Oz was a phony. Hmmm.

    I approve of gun safes (sooner or later everyone has kids over). I approve of gun owners being trained. But what is limiting the number of guns owned supposed to do? Mad men don't carry a dozen rifles with them when they go to shoot up a high school.

    I have three guns for home protection. More would make me less secure because they might attract the bad guys in the case of a natural disaster. When society breaks down and villains stalk your neighborhood as they did after Katrina, Sandy and Rodney King you don't want to be known as the house with all the guns so as to supply the whole gang with firepower.. You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns. Too many guns are nearly as bad as no guns when gangs of looters start to roam.

    Partially agree, partially disagree. Great point about not attracting undue attention in such crisis times.

    But what about a household with 3 or 4 adults? Two guns per adult and we’re talking six or eight guns in the house. Quite appropriate and sensible.

    If each adult merely had a shotgun or rifle plus two handguns (one smaller to keep as backup and/or concealed), that would be 9-12 guns. Again, appropriate.

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  67. @gwynedd1
    Seems to me a significant number of blacks are feeling the affects of Anarcho-tyranny the most.

    I am disinclined to open that can of worms. Soon I will be labeled supporter of blacks committing crimes in the name of academic freedom or some such nonsense.

    Laugh.

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  68. @EliteCommInc.
    Note: if in fact the issue that mobilizes people against pvt weapons ownership as I believe it is and explained why . . .


    here's why the skin color matters in the argument being made.


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

    Are gang related shootings of 3 or more (last I read that was the definition of a mass shooting) in that graph? Or are only the “advertised” shootings listed?

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    Here's my response,

    gun control advocates and those seeking to remove the second amendment have been clamoring to reduce the number of what constitutes mass shootings in their bid to gin up the numbers.

    As is my press here, it's a safe bet to take the cues from the media about what is meant by mass shootings, three or even five are not really what is meant.

    Intention of targets is really the key as is the nature of the relationship dynamics. Mass shootings are also include the randomness of the for indiscriminate hard. Those are the incidents that get people concerned about gun control -- I think I describe the type of scenarios and why they are unique to the issue of public concern.

    Two gangs slugging it out over some petty offence or issues over territory doesn't really constitute what we understand as a mass shooting. we have understood that dynamic since cliques of competing interests were knifing and bludgeoning each other over old scores from the old world.

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  69. @Pat Boyle
    The real Wizard of Oz was a phony. Hmmm.

    I approve of gun safes (sooner or later everyone has kids over). I approve of gun owners being trained. But what is limiting the number of guns owned supposed to do? Mad men don't carry a dozen rifles with them when they go to shoot up a high school.

    I have three guns for home protection. More would make me less secure because they might attract the bad guys in the case of a natural disaster. When society breaks down and villains stalk your neighborhood as they did after Katrina, Sandy and Rodney King you don't want to be known as the house with all the guns so as to supply the whole gang with firepower.. You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns. Too many guns are nearly as bad as no guns when gangs of looters start to roam.

    Good to hear the views of an American who isn’t of the antigun left and who doesn’t simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC – not even doors locked – I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren’t black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren’t impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don’t appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.

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    ... and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.
     
    It's NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American's want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they've been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

    How come you can't put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn't mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we'll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away" at it.

    You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don't you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I don't know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

    I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper - probably a lunatic - who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

    A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

    Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven't prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

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  70. @gwynedd1
    "Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors." -James Madison Federalist #46

    Buy furniture to support deforestation in Aokigahara if that be your wish...

    Is that an Insular America comment I wonder? Don’t know about the rest of the world and don’t want to? You might find something for you in my reply to a thoughtful commenter #69

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  71. @Johann Ricke

    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?
     
    It does not lower the crime rate, while making civilians helpless before the onslaught of gun-armed criminals.

    https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/

    You don’t seem to have understood what I was suggesting. My reply to one who did is #69. There’s a lot to be said for not feeling the need to own a gun to defend oneself against gun-armed criminals. As in 99 per cent of Australia (by population). You could find such places to live in your very large and diverse country without being in a gated community….. Note too: Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

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    Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.
     
    Really now? I could not see how in the hell it's easier to kill one's self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

    Guns: You may have one, but if you don't you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You're gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don't get suicidal anyway. It's gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn't work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you've got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

    Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now - there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It's very easy - get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that's your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. ("There is no pain, you are receding ... ")

    I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

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  72. @interesting
    we already have most that dude....WTF are you talking about? Everything was in place to stop parkland, more laws that are not enforced will solve nothing.

    HAD CURRENT LAWS BEEN FOLLOWED AND ENFORCED PARKLAND WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. This is not conjecture, this is fact. So creating your new laws that will not be enforced will solve nothing

    Yep, as I said, rigorously enforced.

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  73. @interesting
    Are gang related shootings of 3 or more (last I read that was the definition of a mass shooting) in that graph? Or are only the "advertised" shootings listed?

    Here’s my response,

    gun control advocates and those seeking to remove the second amendment have been clamoring to reduce the number of what constitutes mass shootings in their bid to gin up the numbers.

    As is my press here, it’s a safe bet to take the cues from the media about what is meant by mass shootings, three or even five are not really what is meant.

    Intention of targets is really the key as is the nature of the relationship dynamics. Mass shootings are also include the randomness of the for indiscriminate hard. Those are the incidents that get people concerned about gun control — I think I describe the type of scenarios and why they are unique to the issue of public concern.

    Two gangs slugging it out over some petty offence or issues over territory doesn’t really constitute what we understand as a mass shooting. we have understood that dynamic since cliques of competing interests were knifing and bludgeoning each other over old scores from the old world.

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  74. jakealope says:

    The real problem in America is not just black men with guns but blacks in general

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    So the Khazars keep telling you.

    But hey, their IQs are much higher.
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  75. @Achmed E. Newman
    Here's the problem, "Wizard": "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    It's called the internet. That took me all of 1 1/2 minutes, including taking a piss while the page was loading. What's your excuse?

    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student’s ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don’t know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J’s judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.

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    The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don't need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn't understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you're pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

    BTW, why don't your read up on the "Heller" case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you're into that sort of thing. I don't care - I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Whatever the purpose of the Second Amendment, it most certainly did not apply to blacks.

    1638. Act X.
    All persons except Negroes are to be provided with arms and ammunition or be fined at the pleasure of the governor and council.
    --Virginia statute

     

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  76. @Twodees Partain
    Whiz, the problem is that Americans will end up like you Ozzie slaves, unarmed and subject to any sort of harm that anyone wants to inflict upon us. Australians need to butt out of our business.

    An ozzie asks, "Why do you want to own guns"

    An American answers, "Because kiss my ass".

    You evidently know nothing of Australia and can’t read when the glaze goes over your eyes. See #69 and, also, my replies above to people who mostly can’t or don’t read.

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  77. @joef
    There will be the usual comments obfuscating the facts here, demanding the rest of us live in denial of the facts. And for those of us who dealt with it for real, living in the city, the readily observable fact is this: Afro americans commit most of the violent crime, and commit most of the neighborhood destruction to urban areas (not Hispanics, not Asians, not Jews, not ethnic Catholics, not WASPS, not cops, not Arabs, not even Subsaharan African immigrants, but afro americans exclusively are the worst offenders).

    Yet despite libtard demands to ignore the obvious, for those of us who had to live with it, the denial of reality can be very personally dangerous. But limo libs, and leftist progs are not the only libtards who demand this denial of racial realism, it is also the anarcho capitalist libtards (unlike the great past tradition of paleo libertarianism that was firmly rooted in racial reality concerning afro americans), who pander to the BLM cause like they are freedom fighters, when in fact they are nothing more than thugs. It is easy to pontificate from afar with feel good theories when your personal safety is never on the line, because you reside in cupcake land (and therefore do not have a clue).

    Unlike the rest of us who must deal with this constant very real threat to personal safety, one on one (or many on one) against your lonesome, where you must survive by your wits, brawn, and skill (with all the nonsense theorizing having zero application). This is something that the libtard (anarchos, liberals, and leftist), living in cupcake land, cannot understand. Yet if they ended up in prison they would instantly be converted into some afro's maytag (If in prison, L Rockwell, and W Grig would be getting their Sh-t pushed in while they beg that they support the BLM... what pathetic panderers they are).

    When this debt ridden system finally degenerates into failed state like conditions, and all this unnecessary racial polarization creates the conditions for a post collapse race war by the afro hordes, they will eventually invade cupcake land where the anarchos/leftist libtards will be easy pickings (and some of you will become the afros maytag) You will find out the hard way that you are just another White person, to a white hating radical afro predator.

    [I know the WRSA types believe that their hicktown mma mcdojo makes them equivalent to a NHB champ, and having been in the reserves makes them equivalent to Spec Ops, and hunting & fishing is the same as surviving the urban jungle {city boys can hunt and fish in the country, much easier than cupcake boys can learn how to be street smart}, but you may not be as tough as you think you are, when the deadly threat faces you alone, with no other help available... something a tough neighborhood city kid is very use to handling on his own, where a solo street fight can readily produce hospitalization, or even death].

    Economic decline plus racial balkanization equals disaster for this country. And despite the fact that you can blame afros for the majority of government entitlement debt, and violent crime, I do not believe they are un reformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations). But the first problem is that politicians are addicted to providing the afros welfare benefits in exchange for votes. The second problem is the MSM, and academia, promotes the nonsense of white privilege, that makes afros find scapegoats instead of seeking reform. Thus there is no incentive for afros to reform themselves, instead revert to blaming whitey for their own self created problems. As a result the decline will continue until it can continue no longer (with libtards suffering the consequences from what they promoted).

    ah, all of those 1.5% of the black population involved in violent crime are a picturesque generalization of the 98.5%.

    I hate to say it, but that level of fear appears irrational.

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  78. @Achmed E. Newman
    I've read through this writer, Mr. Paul Kersey's writings on his own blog sbpdl, and found only one major thing that I disagree with him on. Kersey has stated in the past that he didn't agree with letting blacks own guns (I am paraphrasing, so he may want to correct me). Maybe it was - "they shouldn't own guns". As much as I agree with the stats here and causes, as documented much more deeply on Kersey's blog, I am a strict Constitutionalist.

    Keep in mind that there are decent black people who need to be able to defend themselves against the black ghetto thugs that are the point of this article (and indeed the bulk of the gun murder and maiming that goes on in America).

    It's amazing that more Americans don't know the facts that you laid down here. Thank you, and thanks, Ron Unz.

    It’s a difficult question, and not just as it relates to guns and the 2nd Amendment.
    How can we simultaneously maintain liberty and apply the laws equally to everyone, when there’s a large and easily-identifiable subgroup that simply can’t be bothered to obey the law?
    My own preferred answer would be to enforce existing (already liberty-infringing) laws very strictly, and with draconian penalties. Sadly, that doesn’t appear to be feasible – especially in the current year. Perhaps the science of HBD will lead to a Gattaca-like future in which that troublesome subgroup is identified and stripped of some of the rights that the rest of us enjoy? Hope springs eternal, but I think it’s much more likely that we’ll all be tarred with the same black brush – thereby losing the only real check on the coercive power of government. Of course, that’s the very result that the Left seeks.

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    The long-term solution, never to be implemented before some kind of massive societal upheaval, would be a complete roll-back of the welfare state. These black thugs are around to begin with because people have no reason to be responsible in their reproduction, and one can live the thug life instead being forced to live a productive life by "the cruel world".

    Shorter-term, only more separation would help the white people who don't "get to" live in the gated (AND GUARDED) communities. I agree with Joef that the decent black people are in the worst situation. White people don't want them around due to who comes with them, and they don't want the violent blacks to live near them either.

    We're in a pretty big jam, that's for sure.
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  79. joef says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    Well said. It's amazing that urban leftists don't see the poetic justice gorno shoot they are setting themselves up for. I saw a post on FB the other day with many upvotes, all from white libtards, cheering on the likely death sentence handed down to the white lady, who looks just like them, that was robbed in South Africa and let slip the k word.


    They'll just have to learn the hard way, I guess.

    They’ll just have to learn the hard way, I guess.

    They will, but it will drag the rest of us into ruin also. I see no reversal because the libtard pandering to afro american pathology always seems to continue. Libtards never admit to a failed program, or that their program is nothing but an ineffectual money pit. Thus, it just continues with obfuscations, and denials (from the deep state, MSM, and academia) as to why things are in continuous decline & decay {NPR should call itself negro pandering radio, as it induces negro fatigue from their endless pandering segments about afro americans, and white privilege}.
    They will extort more & more taxes, and produce more & more debt, until we are essentially bankrupted, having spent the money of the future unborn. The only good thing is after the fall the libtards will die off, and then we can eventually impose controls against afro misbehavior. But much damage will have occurred before then, and the price for this will be an economy & society in complete disarray (before the rebuilding back to normalcy). You can never give up your firearms because then you will be defenseless during this unfortunate process (produced by reckless progressive ideas).

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  80. Bobb says:

    You have to admit when they’re right, they’re right. We should immediately begin facilitating the return of the black population to Africa … or at least begin segregating them into safe zones.

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  81. @joef
    There will be the usual comments obfuscating the facts here, demanding the rest of us live in denial of the facts. And for those of us who dealt with it for real, living in the city, the readily observable fact is this: Afro americans commit most of the violent crime, and commit most of the neighborhood destruction to urban areas (not Hispanics, not Asians, not Jews, not ethnic Catholics, not WASPS, not cops, not Arabs, not even Subsaharan African immigrants, but afro americans exclusively are the worst offenders).

    Yet despite libtard demands to ignore the obvious, for those of us who had to live with it, the denial of reality can be very personally dangerous. But limo libs, and leftist progs are not the only libtards who demand this denial of racial realism, it is also the anarcho capitalist libtards (unlike the great past tradition of paleo libertarianism that was firmly rooted in racial reality concerning afro americans), who pander to the BLM cause like they are freedom fighters, when in fact they are nothing more than thugs. It is easy to pontificate from afar with feel good theories when your personal safety is never on the line, because you reside in cupcake land (and therefore do not have a clue).

    Unlike the rest of us who must deal with this constant very real threat to personal safety, one on one (or many on one) against your lonesome, where you must survive by your wits, brawn, and skill (with all the nonsense theorizing having zero application). This is something that the libtard (anarchos, liberals, and leftist), living in cupcake land, cannot understand. Yet if they ended up in prison they would instantly be converted into some afro's maytag (If in prison, L Rockwell, and W Grig would be getting their Sh-t pushed in while they beg that they support the BLM... what pathetic panderers they are).

    When this debt ridden system finally degenerates into failed state like conditions, and all this unnecessary racial polarization creates the conditions for a post collapse race war by the afro hordes, they will eventually invade cupcake land where the anarchos/leftist libtards will be easy pickings (and some of you will become the afros maytag) You will find out the hard way that you are just another White person, to a white hating radical afro predator.

    [I know the WRSA types believe that their hicktown mma mcdojo makes them equivalent to a NHB champ, and having been in the reserves makes them equivalent to Spec Ops, and hunting & fishing is the same as surviving the urban jungle {city boys can hunt and fish in the country, much easier than cupcake boys can learn how to be street smart}, but you may not be as tough as you think you are, when the deadly threat faces you alone, with no other help available... something a tough neighborhood city kid is very use to handling on his own, where a solo street fight can readily produce hospitalization, or even death].

    Economic decline plus racial balkanization equals disaster for this country. And despite the fact that you can blame afros for the majority of government entitlement debt, and violent crime, I do not believe they are un reformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations). But the first problem is that politicians are addicted to providing the afros welfare benefits in exchange for votes. The second problem is the MSM, and academia, promotes the nonsense of white privilege, that makes afros find scapegoats instead of seeking reform. Thus there is no incentive for afros to reform themselves, instead revert to blaming whitey for their own self created problems. As a result the decline will continue until it can continue no longer (with libtards suffering the consequences from what they promoted).

    “I do not believe they are unreformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations).”
    That’s where you’re wrong. With each passing day the pool of opportunities for your average IQ 85 Negro with poor self-control to become a productive citizen grows smaller. Perhaps they can be trained not to rob, rape and murder – but productive citizens? Nigga, please.

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    You make a valid point, however despite my own suspicions regarding afros, I will give you the reason why I believe that some afro americans can live productive lives. I am from the City, and observed a lot disfunction & violence from a young age. In my adult years I avoided becoming a victim through much luck, and some skill (I generally made myself a hard target). Other people I knew were not as fortunate, with some ending up in a early grave. So trust me, I am not speaking with careless sentimentality.

    But since then I moved to the farmland exurbs, most of the Blacks, who lived in the area all their lives, are definitely not ghetto afros. They are well mannered, polite, don't commit violent crime, work (support themselves), pay taxes, are responsible, go to church, are helpful, charitable, and take care of their families. Leftist and afros will accuse them of acting White, but I say they are just acting normal.

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  82. @Svigor

    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits – with few exceptions – on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use…..?
     
    Rule of law. See 2nd Amendment to the Constitution for details. Looking up "infringe" in a dictionary might be instructive, too.

    Its a shame there are no figures for victims for all of the cities listed in the article. The principle problem with the focus on suspects or even arrests, is that this can simply be attributed to institutional racism. What would be more telling would be conviction rates, where the court system is arguably more objective.
     
    Statistically speaking, there's very little difference in the racial breakdowns of arrests and the racial breakdowns of convictions. In fact, last I checked, Whites suffered more in arrest rates than they did in conviction rates, not Blacks.

    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.
     
    There's a big hole in your logic; the smaller subset has to compensate for the vast majority who under-compensate, meaning, the smaller subset isn't overcompensating.

    b. there’s no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts
     
    Then there's the question of black/Jewish/etc rates of being leftist (hint: far higher than the rate for Whites), which runs counter to the point you seem to be implying.

    P.S., I TL;DR-ed most of your poorly-written comment (just explaining why I stopped reading - it was taking me too long to figure out WTF you were trying to say), but I noticed the "poverty causes crime" argument.

    1. Why isn't White Appalachia a hotbed of murder?
    2. What is it about poverty that causes rape? The Black rate is 6.5x the White rate, despite Blacks' "no snitchin'" culture.

    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:

    police
    lawyers
    doctors
    CIA
    congress
    the judiciary
    Russian mobs
    Italian mobs
    Irish mobs
    Asian mobs
    Asians in general
    Alt-righters
    Mexican mobs
    Members of the military unless they are scapegoating someone
    Families of any ethnicity
    Students cheating — students of any color doing anything

    We have invested an inordinate amount of time and energy painting a picture of blacks with rather mundane traits common to human group dynamic behavior for the express purpose of managing their every move. Don’t be a tattle tale is quite common among human beings seeking to maintain a common interest.

    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it’s pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.

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    You are correct until the very last sentence:

    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it’s pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.
     
    That is from Detective work, not from regular community cooperation. Even decent Blacks would greatly hesitate cooperating with a criminal investigation for legitimate fear of reprisal. Afro criminals only cooperate against their codefendants for a more favorable plea bargain opportunity (their loyalty ends when their personal benefit begins).
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  83. joef says:
    @KenH
    Even the left wing rag Slate had to grudgingly admit last year that when it comes to mass shootings white people are underrepresented (i.e., we commit shootings at a rate less than our percentage in the general population). When white males do commit mass shootings the jewsmedia hypes and over reports it along with fomenting anti-white racial hysteria so the low info bigoted dullards on the left get worked up into a frenzy.

    Some of these statistics both prove and disprove Ron Unz's claims about Hispanic crime. On the one hand they commit far less gun crime than blacks (with the exception of NYC which has violent Puerto Ricans). But on the other they are around two times (Milwaukee) to four times (Chicago) more likely to commit gun crimes then whites. So no, their violent crime rates aren't roughly the same as whites.

    And it would be a safe bet to assume that the white rate is slightly inflated since there's likely still some Mexicans/Hispanics being lumped in with whites.

    On the one hand they commit far less gun crime than blacks (with the exception of NYC which has violent Puerto Ricans)

    Nuyoricans are unique: Many of the working class Puerto Ricans do not like being exposed to afro american dysfunctions, and prefer not to reside with them in the same neighborhood (this can be said for Subsaharran African immigrants as well); However there is a smaller segment of Nuyoricans that are pathetic afro american ghetto wannabe’s, and choose to behave with no discernible difference. There are many naive suburban white millennials who also want to act like afros but are unable incorporate the same level of impulsive violence.

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  84. @EliteCommInc.
    Uhhhh, no. I would prefer not to support random searches and seizures based on a statistic that encompasses but a very small number of the population and more importantly very specific neighborhoods. And even then a small proportion of said neighborhood.

    Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view

    “Due process is as important as the second amendment in my view.”
    Fair enough.
    But might it not be time to look at infringing some other right for a change?

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  85. @Pat Boyle
    The real Wizard of Oz was a phony. Hmmm.

    I approve of gun safes (sooner or later everyone has kids over). I approve of gun owners being trained. But what is limiting the number of guns owned supposed to do? Mad men don't carry a dozen rifles with them when they go to shoot up a high school.

    I have three guns for home protection. More would make me less secure because they might attract the bad guys in the case of a natural disaster. When society breaks down and villains stalk your neighborhood as they did after Katrina, Sandy and Rodney King you don't want to be known as the house with all the guns so as to supply the whole gang with firepower.. You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns. Too many guns are nearly as bad as no guns when gangs of looters start to roam.

    “You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns.”
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.

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    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I've pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn't been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.
    , @Bobb
    Victims are not random. They are chosen. You can be the one with the gun free zone sign.
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  86. All mass shootings/terrorist attacks are Govt. Psyops, Syria, Parkland, Dylan Roof, Vegas, 9/11…..
    This is what happens when a very hostile/psychotic foreign nation takes full control of your country, and is intent on destroying your country. See Bolshevik revolution, because that is what they intend to do here…

    The Oldest Trick In the Book: False Flags to “Justify” War

    http://washingtonsblog.com/2018/04/the-oldest-trick-in-the-book-false-flags-to-justify-war.html

    Former CIA Officer: “Every Single Terrorist Attack In US Was A False Flag Attack”

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/former-cia-officer-every-single-terrorist-attack-us-false-flag-attack/

    Former CIA Intelligence Officer Dr. Michael Scheuer: AIPAC | Florida | Vegas and more…

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  87. joef says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one's fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter's and Miss Laura Ingrham's contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:


    police
    lawyers
    doctors
    CIA
    congress
    the judiciary
    Russian mobs
    Italian mobs
    Irish mobs
    Asian mobs
    Asians in general
    Alt-righters
    Mexican mobs
    Members of the military unless they are scapegoating someone
    Families of any ethnicity
    Students cheating -- students of any color doing anything


    We have invested an inordinate amount of time and energy painting a picture of blacks with rather mundane traits common to human group dynamic behavior for the express purpose of managing their every move. Don't be a tattle tale is quite common among human beings seeking to maintain a common interest.


    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it's pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.

    You are correct until the very last sentence:

    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it’s pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.

    That is from Detective work, not from regular community cooperation. Even decent Blacks would greatly hesitate cooperating with a criminal investigation for legitimate fear of reprisal. Afro criminals only cooperate against their codefendants for a more favorable plea bargain opportunity (their loyalty ends when their personal benefit begins).

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    Then I am afraid you have little understanding of how detectives and the police operate and why their success is largely dependent on community participation and cooperation.

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    I should include Hollywood, actors, actresses, producers, writers, cartoonists, comedians, celebrity physicians . . . heck bent on no tattle telling . . .again, unless they are looking to scapegoat.

    Excuse my negligence -- news reporters, broadcasters, managers, producers . . . hair stylists, manicurists . . .
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  88. American society is a problem, especially in the black community, a lot of it could be solved, but it is a difficult issue..
    Poverty is the #1 problem, drugs, parenting, education, Rap music, poor role models….
    Its been proven that CIA/Mossad are bringing in a lot of the hard drugs and distributing them in black neighborhoods, I think they are probably handing out all the guns as well. We all know who runs Hollywood and music industry.
    Look at Detroit, was once an awesome place for blacks, now bankrupt, DC doesn’t seem to care, but doesn’t hesitate to send Israel and other foreign nations billions and billions of dollars.
    I try not to put all the blame on black people, I live in rural Ga. and know lots of good descent black people, they were mostly raised in Christian homes, by good parents, so I can’t say its not a fixable problem, but with the worthless govt. and media we currently have, the problem will get worse, and its intentional.
    I try not to fall for the race/civil war trap, because thats exactly what they’re doing. Divide and conquer, a lot of people fall for it.
    Farrakhan was right. Go listen to some of his speeches, we’re not all so different. We all want the same things for the most part. As long as they can keep white, black, brown slaves fighting with each other, they know they’re safe, and can continue the tyranny and looting.

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  89. joef says:
    @Macumazahn
    "I do not believe they are unreformable to becoming productive citizens (within their individual limitations)."
    That's where you're wrong. With each passing day the pool of opportunities for your average IQ 85 Negro with poor self-control to become a productive citizen grows smaller. Perhaps they can be trained not to rob, rape and murder - but productive citizens? Nigga, please.

    You make a valid point, however despite my own suspicions regarding afros, I will give you the reason why I believe that some afro americans can live productive lives. I am from the City, and observed a lot disfunction & violence from a young age. In my adult years I avoided becoming a victim through much luck, and some skill (I generally made myself a hard target). Other people I knew were not as fortunate, with some ending up in a early grave. So trust me, I am not speaking with careless sentimentality.

    But since then I moved to the farmland exurbs, most of the Blacks, who lived in the area all their lives, are definitely not ghetto afros. They are well mannered, polite, don’t commit violent crime, work (support themselves), pay taxes, are responsible, go to church, are helpful, charitable, and take care of their families. Leftist and afros will accuse them of acting White, but I say they are just acting normal.

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    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I'll call my "myopia" on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago. I have no experience with the sort of rural blacks that you speak of, although I will say that the very few blacks with whom I interact professionally are just as you describe. However, the majority of them are Caribbean imports, neither born nor raised in America.
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  90. @joef
    You are correct until the very last sentence:

    I would note that given the level of incarceration of blacks, it’s pretty clear the black community cooperates in the arrest of criminal suspects.
     
    That is from Detective work, not from regular community cooperation. Even decent Blacks would greatly hesitate cooperating with a criminal investigation for legitimate fear of reprisal. Afro criminals only cooperate against their codefendants for a more favorable plea bargain opportunity (their loyalty ends when their personal benefit begins).

    Then I am afraid you have little understanding of how detectives and the police operate and why their success is largely dependent on community participation and cooperation.

    —————————–

    I should include Hollywood, actors, actresses, producers, writers, cartoonists, comedians, celebrity physicians . . . heck bent on no tattle telling . . .again, unless they are looking to scapegoat.

    Excuse my negligence — news reporters, broadcasters, managers, producers . . . hair stylists, manicurists . . .

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    LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

    You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

    I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

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  91. @joef
    You make a valid point, however despite my own suspicions regarding afros, I will give you the reason why I believe that some afro americans can live productive lives. I am from the City, and observed a lot disfunction & violence from a young age. In my adult years I avoided becoming a victim through much luck, and some skill (I generally made myself a hard target). Other people I knew were not as fortunate, with some ending up in a early grave. So trust me, I am not speaking with careless sentimentality.

    But since then I moved to the farmland exurbs, most of the Blacks, who lived in the area all their lives, are definitely not ghetto afros. They are well mannered, polite, don't commit violent crime, work (support themselves), pay taxes, are responsible, go to church, are helpful, charitable, and take care of their families. Leftist and afros will accuse them of acting White, but I say they are just acting normal.

    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I’ll call my “myopia” on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago. I have no experience with the sort of rural blacks that you speak of, although I will say that the very few blacks with whom I interact professionally are just as you describe. However, the majority of them are Caribbean imports, neither born nor raised in America.

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    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I’ll call my “myopia” on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago
     
    Well do not be too hard on yourself because unfortunately what you described earlier is the preponderance of behavior from afro americans (especially in Oakland, which is a rough town, definitely not cupcake). The urban ghetto version of radical afro predatory behavior is what dominates, and holds sway over the afro american culture (to which pandering progressives seem to contradictorily both praise it, but dismiss its occurrence).

    As such that is what is destabilizing our civilization with unsustainable debt (from the insatiable, ever increasing, welfare entitlements provided to afros at taxpayer expense, resulting in unpayable burdens for future unborn generations to come); and afro animosity that breeds contempt for its host society to the level of a de facto race war. When this enormous debt cannot be continued, and the free welfare checks stop being handed out to afros, the race war between us will most likely become a hot one.

    This is my dreaded fear, but stoically I accept it as almost inevitable, therefore I say we must prepare for this hardship. Humans go through low & high points in history, so this is not unusual (just depends where we are living in history). Our job in this wave of history is to carry it forward through the trough portion, so it may peak again. We may not benefit by seeing the next peak, but we can carryon so future generations can enjoy it benefits (and take it for granted again where it will begin to decline). Sorry I do not have a better answer, but it is what it is (hopefully human history will learn from its errors).

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  92. Truth says:
    @KenH

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!
     
    That's 630 whites who would still be alive today had we shipped knee-grows back to Africa after the civil war or still allowed for de jure segregation.

    Nah, because white liberals would have no one else to agitate, and moralize for except you. The murder rate would be 3x higher.

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  93. Truth says:
    @Joe Walker
    But whites are much less likely to commit murder than are blacks.

    …And much MORE likely to murder whites. That’s why they do. Numbers don’t lie.

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  94. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Another lie.

    The "RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same".

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What's wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That's the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I'll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that's f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa's leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh…buh…buh… Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks…

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh…buh…buh…Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend…

    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.

    Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

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    "vector math, my friend...."

    Okay.....

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I'm all ears.
    , @jakealope
    "Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?"
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.
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  95. Truth says:
    @jakealope
    The real problem in America is not just black men with guns but blacks in general

    So the Khazars keep telling you.

    But hey, their IQs are much higher.

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    By Khazar, you are elliptically referring to the Jews in a racist pseudo-intellectual way? Funny because the Jew hating whites blame the "Khazars" for covering up black crime & using black thugs to enforce "ZOG" and to create the "white genocide".
    No I arrived at that conclusion by living in cities that were progressively ruined by blacks and their destructive criminal ways, aided by fathead white progressives. But the blacks had a way of deflecting from their manifold shortcomings by blaming whites for even the bad black behavior; that they ALSO encouraged!
    Like when one points out how horrible black schools are, that are now even run by blacks, they barf out nonsense that some crypto KKK is expelling too many brainless thugs. Or they'll remind you of old ante-bellum laws in some southern state that prevented blacks from being educated. You'd think given those ancient laws and the general impression that black students are stupid and undisciplined, the average black school would do its best to fight those trends and produce qualified disciplined black grads. Instead, we get black frauds like DC's Ballou HS where in 2017 even illiterates who skipped the whole year graduate AND THEN got into college!
    Black "education" is a the proverbial leading a horse to water but he won't drink. Instead the horse urinates in the trough.
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  96. @ThreeCranes
    Another lie.

    The "RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same".

    Prove it.

    Never mind. I already know your argument.

    Blacks were 12.5% of the population in 1970 and they are 12.5 % of the population now.

    Right?

    Wrong.

    What's wrong with your argument is that whites were 85% of the population then but only 63% today. Hispanic, asian, Mid East et al immigration has affected the relative proportions.

    So.

    Blacks = 12.5%. Whites = 63%.

    12.5 / 63 = 19.8% That's the real ratio. 1 out of 5, not 1 out of 8 (relative to white europeans).

    I'll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that's f*cking. The surplus of your Sub Saharan ancestors supplied your Kings with warm bodies to barter in the slave trade (that and ivory were Africa's leading exports 300 years ago).

    So no more B.S. about relative populations staying the same. Okay?

    Whoops. Correction.
    Not 1 out of 5, but 1 to 5 or 1 out of 6.

    12.5 / 12.5+ 63 = 16.6 % the new, 2018 percentage of blacks relative to whites in America.

    So, again, the commonly cited statistic (even in the main stream media) that black percentage of population has remained constant (relative to whites) is wrong.

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  97. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Most Hispanics in the US are not primarily white, and there are plenty who have no desire to be perceived as white.

    Most Mexicans in the US, and most Latinos generally in the US, are genetically and visibly part white and a greater part "Native American" Indian (and/or African, in the case of Puerto Ricans and to a lesser extent Brazilians).

    Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks

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    Maybe we should move to where he lives, seems like a nice guy and apparently has better local demographics than either of us ;)

    My mother is highly educated and has been all around North America and Europe, yet she still refers to all Hispanics, including indio and mestizo people, as "Spanish."

    She is visiting us here in L.A. and recently described the people in a certain store nearby as "Spanish people" -- to which I responded, "I wish."

    I wonder how different America would be if our Hispanics were actually Europeans, i.e. Spaniards. Imagine replacing, say, forty million Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, Nicaraguans, etc., in the USA with Spaniards. (though hopefully not the ones from the part of Spain with that freeking lisp, is it Barcelona?)

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  98. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Good comment, sir. I'll just quibble that "rural" ain't what it used to be, demographically.

    There are millions of Mexicans living in rural areas all across inland California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and southern Colorado, outnumbering non-Mexicans in more and more of those little towns.

    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

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    I'm not surprised to hear that. How sad. I don't blame those folks for taking the jobs; how could I? But I blame the farmers, food processors, and other employers for selling us out.
    , @RadicalCenter
    and Somalis, apparently, at some meat-processing plants in Arkansas and the like.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans."

    Too true. Our neighbors in Western Washington were dairy farmers. All the family farms from the 1940-1950's had sold out to the one Big Man left standing. He rented all their nice old homes to his Mexican help who were and are, essentially, serfs on his feudal manor. And I'm not speaking hyperbolically. They lived on his land, worked every day of the week, milked at all hours etc. American farming practice has returned to the Middle Ages.

    The Big Man drove around in his suburban, wore khakis and a polo shirt. Never got his hands dirty or his boots muddy. He told us one day, "I should have bought your farm when it came on the market". We had purchased what was left, 5 acres, of what had been an old dairy farm that had been homesteaded by the original Swedish family for over a century.

    The Big Man didn't want any small holders around because then he had to take some care when he sprayed, which was weekly. We still got doused in insecticide and fertilizer even though we would take precautions whenever we saw the spray trucks getting ready to do their thing.

    We are a long way from the Jeffersonian ideal of the small yeoman farmer. On the self sufficient farm a man, his wife and children became capable and strong by the demands, responsibilities and discipline that farming imposes on people. Now we are a nation that regards truly independent people as enemies to be stomped out, autarchic anachronisms.
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  99. Laugh.

    but it is not uncommon for people to misconstrue what the numbers means. Many here are convinced that they are under some unique threat from blacks — because you incorrectly interpret or apply some statistical analysis. I have grown acustomed to simply taking the numbers as they come, because regardless of how they are skewed. Here the conclusions suggests a very shallow grasp of how crime operates or the meanings in context. It reveals why the relational dynamic remains a convenient scapegoat for irrational fears.

    If I have twenty white pins and five of those of pins are black and then roll a black ball down a lane , it’s more likely that my black ball will hit more whites pins than black pins.

    That’s a statistical probability. But that

    Probability also depends on the angle, composition disbursement of the pins, etc. not even taking into account motive and vitally important factor – When examining the numbers minus the shallow thinking of what may appear obvious – given the disperstment of those who might engage in crime across the nations cities and the conditions for said activity the likelihood of anyone of you coming into contact with sad violent anyone white or black is not conditioned on skin color. But on location personal exposure, and one’s interaction with said population. Numbers don’t lie – most of the time, but how those numbers are used in narrative is anybody’s guess. Here the simplest accounting is flat out the consequence of deliberately or ignorantly, misinterpreting what the numbers mean in the context of reality.

    This happens as knee jerk reaction to some hard to take realities about white culpability in building a society touting whites as superior and having to discover that white superiority is not all that it made out to be. It’s a lashing out as what was once a house of brick is tumbling slowly as a house of cards. Because when iy comes to motive the numbers don’t lie — as many are fond of saying. There are very few crimes in the US against whites merely because one is white. So despite the numbers the evidence is slight that blacks are doing anything to whites merely because they are white. The interactions are based on numbers
    Those blacks who might be inclined to criminal behavior operate in more white populations than whites inclined to criminal behavior operate in black populations.

    That’s a statistical reality based on the numbers in the proper context of interactions.

    The simplistic formula that more then that in context requires a bit more analysis to why beyond — by the numbers whites would be attacking more blacks. Which when considering motive is would be correct. But when one deals in dire straits or a panic, I understand the desire to take short cuts on interpretation to design a narrative that puts one in a positive light. I have had students work in teams in which regardless of the configuration — mistakes were rarely ever her failings, but that of others. Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.

    There is nothing liberal about understanding context. Which is why I used the police death example for reference. Taking the rate of percentage increase, it was concluded that there is a war on police. But examining the actual numbers of the increase and why, how, etc. the interpretation was convenient and wrong.

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    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    "Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test."
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  100. Demographics: the rate of change in the black population to the overall population is at 14% or 13%

    1% increase if categorizing blacks uniquely and (roughly)
    2% percentage points if one broadens the definition of black citizens.

    http://blackdemographics.com/ That rate of change suggests a fairly constant range to the overall population even to the 12.5% provided. I guess one could argue about what constitutes constant.

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    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

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  101. Svigor says:

    EliteCommInc. says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:39 am GMT • 200 Words

    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:

    I can think of no human behaviors that are binary by race. That said, “no snitchin” really is a thing, enforced by murder and intimidation, in the Black community. It really isn’t a thing in the White community. The words we bandy won’t change that.

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    I hate to back up comic book boy, but "No snitchin" while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.
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  102. @Truth
    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh...buh...buh... Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks...

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh...buh...buh...Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend...


    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.
     

    Well so I've been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

    “vector math, my friend….”

    Okay…..

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I’m all ears.

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    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies "magnitude", another "direction."

    So draw your two vectors indicating "black" and "white" measure the cosines and you will have it.
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  103. Joe Bloe says:

    Blacks are ~ 10% of the population of my metro area, but account for at least 60% of the murders, and their hispanic bros account for another 15% of homicides.
    So like I can really see that it is those evil palefaces who are the worst and most dangerous.

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  104. Joe Bloe says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh.

    but it is not uncommon for people to misconstrue what the numbers means. Many here are convinced that they are under some unique threat from blacks --- because you incorrectly interpret or apply some statistical analysis. I have grown acustomed to simply taking the numbers as they come, because regardless of how they are skewed. Here the conclusions suggests a very shallow grasp of how crime operates or the meanings in context. It reveals why the relational dynamic remains a convenient scapegoat for irrational fears.

    If I have twenty white pins and five of those of pins are black and then roll a black ball down a lane , it's more likely that my black ball will hit more whites pins than black pins.

    That's a statistical probability. But that

    Probability also depends on the angle, composition disbursement of the pins, etc. not even taking into account motive and vitally important factor - When examining the numbers minus the shallow thinking of what may appear obvious - given the disperstment of those who might engage in crime across the nations cities and the conditions for said activity the likelihood of anyone of you coming into contact with sad violent anyone white or black is not conditioned on skin color. But on location personal exposure, and one's interaction with said population. Numbers don't lie - most of the time, but how those numbers are used in narrative is anybody's guess. Here the simplest accounting is flat out the consequence of deliberately or ignorantly, misinterpreting what the numbers mean in the context of reality.

    This happens as knee jerk reaction to some hard to take realities about white culpability in building a society touting whites as superior and having to discover that white superiority is not all that it made out to be. It's a lashing out as what was once a house of brick is tumbling slowly as a house of cards. Because when iy comes to motive the numbers don't lie --- as many are fond of saying. There are very few crimes in the US against whites merely because one is white. So despite the numbers the evidence is slight that blacks are doing anything to whites merely because they are white. The interactions are based on numbers
    Those blacks who might be inclined to criminal behavior operate in more white populations than whites inclined to criminal behavior operate in black populations.

    That's a statistical reality based on the numbers in the proper context of interactions.

    The simplistic formula that more then that in context requires a bit more analysis to why beyond -- by the numbers whites would be attacking more blacks. Which when considering motive is would be correct. But when one deals in dire straits or a panic, I understand the desire to take short cuts on interpretation to design a narrative that puts one in a positive light. I have had students work in teams in which regardless of the configuration -- mistakes were rarely ever her failings, but that of others. Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.

    There is nothing liberal about understanding context. Which is why I used the police death example for reference. Taking the rate of percentage increase, it was concluded that there is a war on police. But examining the actual numbers of the increase and why, how, etc. the interpretation was convenient and wrong.

    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    “Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.”

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    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.
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  105. Joe Bloe says:
    @Svigor

    EliteCommInc. says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:39 am GMT • 200 Words
    @Svigor

    Laugh.

    Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:
     
    I can think of no human behaviors that are binary by race. That said, "no snitchin" really is a thing, enforced by murder and intimidation, in the Black community. It really isn't a thing in the White community. The words we bandy won't change that.

    I hate to back up comic book boy, but “No snitchin” while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.

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    Dunno, in the USA, it seems to be nearly universal in their misnamed "communities."
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  106. jakealope says:
    @Truth
    So the Khazars keep telling you.

    But hey, their IQs are much higher.

    By Khazar, you are elliptically referring to the Jews in a racist pseudo-intellectual way? Funny because the Jew hating whites blame the “Khazars” for covering up black crime & using black thugs to enforce “ZOG” and to create the “white genocide”.
    No I arrived at that conclusion by living in cities that were progressively ruined by blacks and their destructive criminal ways, aided by fathead white progressives. But the blacks had a way of deflecting from their manifold shortcomings by blaming whites for even the bad black behavior; that they ALSO encouraged!
    Like when one points out how horrible black schools are, that are now even run by blacks, they barf out nonsense that some crypto KKK is expelling too many brainless thugs. Or they’ll remind you of old ante-bellum laws in some southern state that prevented blacks from being educated. You’d think given those ancient laws and the general impression that black students are stupid and undisciplined, the average black school would do its best to fight those trends and produce qualified disciplined black grads. Instead, we get black frauds like DC’s Ballou HS where in 2017 even illiterates who skipped the whole year graduate AND THEN got into college!
    Black “education” is a the proverbial leading a horse to water but he won’t drink. Instead the horse urinates in the trough.

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  107. jakealope says:
    @Truth
    No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

    Buh...buh...buh... Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks...

    Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

    Buh...buh...buh...Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

    Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

    Somewhat simple vector math, my friend...


    I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.
     

    Well so I've been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

    “Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?”
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.

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    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.
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  108. @Wizard of Oz
    You don't seem to have understood what I was suggesting. My reply to one who did is #69. There's a lot to be said for not feeling the need to own a gun to defend oneself against gun-armed criminals. As in 99 per cent of Australia (by population). You could find such places to live in your very large and diverse country without being in a gated community..... Note too: Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

    Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

    Really now? I could not see how in the hell it’s easier to kill one’s self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

    Guns: You may have one, but if you don’t you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You’re gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don’t get suicidal anyway. It’s gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn’t work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you’ve got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

    Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now – there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It’s very easy – get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that’s your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. (“There is no pain, you are receding … “)

    I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

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    When you take your busy hands off your..... typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a "cry for help" than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.
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  109. @Wizard of Oz
    Good to hear the views of an American who isn't of the antigun left and who doesn't simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC - not even doors locked - I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren't black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren't impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don't appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.

    … and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    It’s NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American’s want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they’ve been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

    How come you can’t put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn’t mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we’ll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away” at it.

    You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don’t you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.

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    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns - and enforced - that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
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  110. @Wizard of Oz
    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student's ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don't know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J's judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.

    The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don’t need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn’t understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you’re pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

    BTW, why don’t your read up on the “Heller” case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you’re into that sort of thing. I don’t care – I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.

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    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.
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  111. @Macumazahn
    It's a difficult question, and not just as it relates to guns and the 2nd Amendment.
    How can we simultaneously maintain liberty and apply the laws equally to everyone, when there's a large and easily-identifiable subgroup that simply can't be bothered to obey the law?
    My own preferred answer would be to enforce existing (already liberty-infringing) laws very strictly, and with draconian penalties. Sadly, that doesn't appear to be feasible - especially in the current year. Perhaps the science of HBD will lead to a Gattaca-like future in which that troublesome subgroup is identified and stripped of some of the rights that the rest of us enjoy? Hope springs eternal, but I think it's much more likely that we'll all be tarred with the same black brush - thereby losing the only real check on the coercive power of government. Of course, that's the very result that the Left seeks.

    The long-term solution, never to be implemented before some kind of massive societal upheaval, would be a complete roll-back of the welfare state. These black thugs are around to begin with because people have no reason to be responsible in their reproduction, and one can live the thug life instead being forced to live a productive life by “the cruel world”.

    Shorter-term, only more separation would help the white people who don’t “get to” live in the gated (AND GUARDED) communities. I agree with Joef that the decent black people are in the worst situation. White people don’t want them around due to who comes with them, and they don’t want the violent blacks to live near them either.

    We’re in a pretty big jam, that’s for sure.

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  112. Truth says:
    @ThreeCranes
    "vector math, my friend...."

    Okay.....

    2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

    I'm all ears.

    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies “magnitude”, another “direction.”

    So draw your two vectors indicating “black” and “white” measure the cosines and you will have it.

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    LOL

    Thanks for the instruction.

    Things must have changed in the study of vectors since I attended college. We were taught that, by definition, a vector had both magnitude and a direction. I guess I should try harder to keep abreast of new developments.

    In the mean time, if it wouldn't be too much bother, would you mind instructing me as to just what angle should separate my black vector from the white vector? That would seem to be crucial, seeing as we're taking the cosine and all.

    I mean for example, if they're drawn perpendicular to each other, then the cosine is zero, meaning I suppose, there's no overlap, no commonality, at all. The two races are doomed to function at proverbial cross purposes. And of course, the opposite case, if the angle is near zero, then the cosine becomes one, unity, indicating, I suppose, the happy state of synergistic superposition of interests.

    In light of the foregoing I'm curious to know just what value you assigned to the angle in your own construction?

    And finally--though I hesitate to admit it , because it shows just how slowly my mental gears grind--would you be kind enough to tell me just what it is I "will have" when I'm through with this rigorous proof?
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  113. @Achmed E. Newman

    Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.
     
    Really now? I could not see how in the hell it's easier to kill one's self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

    Guns: You may have one, but if you don't you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You're gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don't get suicidal anyway. It's gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn't work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you've got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

    Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now - there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It's very easy - get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that's your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. ("There is no pain, you are receding ... ")

    I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

    When you take your busy hands off your….. typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a “cry for help” than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.

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    I won't argue with your statement that a shotgun in the mouth is the more likely way of suicide in rural Australia. Fine. It's just bullshit to say that that's the easier way. I don't think either was is a cry for help - more like a cry for come contractor to come and redo the carpets in the former case along with a cry for a funeral director in both case.

    How do you think that using a gun is more reliable than taking a bunch of pills, unless you are very poor with math? Anyone can look up how much of whatever medicine is enough to kill, and double it (as if you were tallying up an estimate from your car mechanic). Keep your body weight in mind - if you are light, just go with an ordinary dose; if you're one of those full-figured gals, buy an extra bottle. (I don't think I'd be worried about the extra cost at that point.)
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  114. @Achmed E. Newman
    The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don't need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn't understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you're pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

    BTW, why don't your read up on the "Heller" case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you're into that sort of thing. I don't care - I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.

    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer’s help you evidently can’t understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven’t understood – probably not read – the Heller Case you cite and therefore don’t understand that it doesn’t support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of “shall not be infringed” [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying “shall not be limited”. And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don’t think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

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    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?
    , @Jesse James
    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.
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  115. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.
     
    It's NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American's want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they've been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

    How come you can't put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn't mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we'll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away" at it.

    You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don't you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

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    No.
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  116. Pat Boyle says:
    @Macumazahn
    "You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns."
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.

    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

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    I'm no gun expert at all, but I'm pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I'm told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. "Man's inhumanity to man" and all that. But then, it's even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they're NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F--- 'em.

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  117. Pat Boyle says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Good to hear the views of an American who isn't of the antigun left and who doesn't simply glaze over and go into some fugue state at the suggestion of gun control. A couple of replies to me ignore completely that I realise America starts from a unique situation and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

    Remembering how like safe parts of Australia it was when I stayed in Greenwich (or was it Old Greennwich) CT and in Aiken SC - not even doors locked - I am sensitive to different experiences. I suppose Australia has its black gun problem except that the criminsls aren't black but old fashioned criminal cliques who largely shoot each other with guns which aren't impossible to obtain illegally. You may have noted that the Sudanese refugeee gangs which are blamed for carjackings and home invasions in Melbourne (population 4.5 million) don't appear to have guns at all. It is something not to have to even consider whether one should buy a gun for self protection in Australia though I think I would if living in a remote area in a house with stuff worth stealing.

    I don’t know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

    I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper – probably a lunatic – who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

    A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

    Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven’t prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

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    Sounds rational and indeed reasonable. My widowed mother had a very rich cattle owning paaaartner late in life. He was a small old man but he surprised me by saying he had a (licensed) small revolver as he lived nornally in one if Australia's safest cities. If I lived off the beaten track in the country I think I might, especially past youth and strength, acquire a hand gun as well as the rifle and/ or shotgun for the rabbits and foxes (and maybe dingoes and snakes - apparently killing the cockatoos that can strip a tree is not allowed; query fruit bats). In youth I was in rifle teams for a couple of major trophies so I don't have any relevant emotions - apart from regret at not having worn hearing protection.
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  118. @Truth
    No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies "magnitude", another "direction."

    So draw your two vectors indicating "black" and "white" measure the cosines and you will have it.

    LOL

    Thanks for the instruction.

    Things must have changed in the study of vectors since I attended college. We were taught that, by definition, a vector had both magnitude and a direction. I guess I should try harder to keep abreast of new developments.

    In the mean time, if it wouldn’t be too much bother, would you mind instructing me as to just what angle should separate my black vector from the white vector? That would seem to be crucial, seeing as we’re taking the cosine and all.

    I mean for example, if they’re drawn perpendicular to each other, then the cosine is zero, meaning I suppose, there’s no overlap, no commonality, at all. The two races are doomed to function at proverbial cross purposes. And of course, the opposite case, if the angle is near zero, then the cosine becomes one, unity, indicating, I suppose, the happy state of synergistic superposition of interests.

    In light of the foregoing I’m curious to know just what value you assigned to the angle in your own construction?

    And finally–though I hesitate to admit it , because it shows just how slowly my mental gears grind–would you be kind enough to tell me just what it is I “will have” when I’m through with this rigorous proof?

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  119. @Wizard of Oz
    When you take your busy hands off your..... typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a "cry for help" than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.

    I won’t argue with your statement that a shotgun in the mouth is the more likely way of suicide in rural Australia. Fine. It’s just bullshit to say that that’s the easier way. I don’t think either was is a cry for help – more like a cry for come contractor to come and redo the carpets in the former case along with a cry for a funeral director in both case.

    How do you think that using a gun is more reliable than taking a bunch of pills, unless you are very poor with math? Anyone can look up how much of whatever medicine is enough to kill, and double it (as if you were tallying up an estimate from your car mechanic). Keep your body weight in mind – if you are light, just go with an ordinary dose; if you’re one of those full-figured gals, buy an extra bottle. (I don’t think I’d be worried about the extra cost at that point.)

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  120. @Wizard of Oz
    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns - and enforced - that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

    No.

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  121. @Wizard of Oz
    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

    I keep up with the NRA magazine America’s First Freedom. I’ve probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it’s not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS’s ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don’t seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It’s not like you don’t have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin’ out loud. It’s very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 – 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    “Oh, what a rube with this ‘When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” bumper sticker!” they exclaimed. Now it’s knives – do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

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    Well said, Mr. Newman.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Same point to make as about suicide.... Who wouldn't prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?
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  122. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    the solution to non-Whites murdering Whites is straightforward and simple.
     
    Great, then I would suggest you stop hiding behind a psudeonym and start standing on tables with a megaphone, Jimmy Hoffa!

    Imagine what a hero you will be to those 630 white folks who were killed by Knee-grows last year!

    Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that’s OK too, I guess.

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    OK, now we're getting somewhere.
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  123. Truth says:
    @jakealope
    "Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?"
    One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.

    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don’t die wondering.

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    Given the extremely high HIV infection rate in the African-American "community", among other reasons, skip it.
    , @jakealope
    Sex is one of those simple animalistic things blacks excel at, like dancing and fighting. But you sound like you are on the downlow too
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  124. AndrewR says:
    @Jesse James
    Who constitutes being labeled a gun-obsessed redneck in your premise? Is it a wealthy white man living in a gated community in the white suburbs who owns a large, high-dollar hunting rifle collection? Is it a lower-income man who lives in a trailer in an unincorporated county area who owns 2 or 3 firearms and practices regularly, because he dug out a small range on his own property? Or, is it a white family who owns a Mossberg 500 20gau. shotgun and a Taurus 9mm, because they live in a neighborhood or small city in close proximity to one of the USA's violence-prone urban Wakandas such as Kansas City, Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta or Chicago?

    “Gun nut” is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn’t necessarily qualify even if he’s spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn’t necessarily qualify. And it’s insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that “white family” with a shotgun and a pistol as “gun-obsessed rednecks.”

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

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    Some fancy themselves heroes, to be sure. But the rest of us don't expect that we will be able to buy ammunition, at least for quite a while, in the aftermath of a social-collapse event. And any available ammo probably would be terribly jacked up in price, depriving us of money needed for also-scarce and inflated-price food and water.

    Would it be smarter to risk running out of ammo, or running out of money to buy both food and ammo, if that situation persists for a long time?

    Some people who keep that much ammo on hand are nutty, but I'd wager most are not. Certainly there is nothing inherently illogical about keeping it on hand. Better to have and not need, than need and not have, as the old aphorism goes.

    Also, a couple can go to the range a couple times and fire off hundreds of handgun rounds practicing in a month. Could go shoot skeet or trap and use up over a hundred shotgun shells easily, as well.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    RadicalCenter's reply is good enough, but I will add "do you know what a thousand rounds is?" Let's just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18" x 6" high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That's over 10,000, but is that an "arsenal"? According to the Lyin' Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    If you're worried about the future, you don't want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers - it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet - and it will.
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  125. @Joe Bloe
    LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
    But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
    "Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test."

    First,
    I don’t think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don’t challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don’t claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.

    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don’t challenge or don’t care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks — a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns – so that can kill them later — there’s no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% — not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.

    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn’t frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some “kneejerk” point. Whatever the dynamic in — you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders –

    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess — what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

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    I take responsibility for any typing errors -- speed for accuracy -- my mistakes. If it is so bad as to be unintelligible

    laugh - there's an in --


    I will answer any press to do so.
    , @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.
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  126. @EliteCommInc.
    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

    I take responsibility for any typing errors — speed for accuracy — my mistakes. If it is so bad as to be unintelligible

    laugh – there’s an in –

    I will answer any press to do so.

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  127. sondjata says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    First,
    I don't think my comments challenge crime rates.

    Second,
    my comments don't challenge the demographics of crime.

    Third,
    my comments don't claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.


    My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

    1. Most blacks don't challenge or don't care about the second amendment.
    2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks -- a brief look at history will make that clear.
    3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity -- is not an indication that blacks target whites -- certainly not merely because they are white. It's a simple state on interactions -- as discussed.
    4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns - so that can kill them later -- there's no evidence to support it.
    5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
    6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% -- not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
    7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.



    I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn't frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some "kneejerk" point. Whatever the dynamic in -- you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders --


    That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess -- what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

    “3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.”

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

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    There's this little practiced matter in criminal cases -- it's called motive. I noticed your comment has no references to just how that was determined. Just because get smacked in the head by a red head does not by itself mean I was attacked for being green eyed.


    Further, I have no doubt that some number of whites get attacked just for being white, but one cannot know that simply by looking at the numbers. That is the kind of simplistic explanation hijacks color game. The recorded history on such behavior clearly weighs against whites as to cause and is well documented.


    Note: I did not say it doesn't happen. Apparently, you and the articles author are on the same shallow page --- one of the vital issues when assessing criminal cases is motive. Sometimes motive is so hard to determine given the issues - that some locals don't even require it.


    It would do well, not make arguments I am not making such as --- color is not factor in criminal behavior against whites. I didn't say that and I did not suggest that.

    What I said again -- is that just because a black person has committed a crime against a white person does not mean it was motivated by the persons whiteness. The reason such cases are easier to make for black people is very simple --- the vast national practice in which whites attacked blacks merely;y for being black:

    black on the beach
    black disrespect
    black dating flirting married to white person
    blacks seeking job
    black buying a home -0 wrong neighborhood
    black with money
    black with no money . . . .

    being black.

    The history of discrimination based on black anything is just a hard hurdle to ignore.


    If anyone needs reality check its anyone claiming that said color motivated crimes by blacks is in any manner the magnitude, scope and consequence in every aspect of citizenship the same for whites -- even color is indicated as the motive.


    No my comments do not condone, excuse or in any manner suggest that such motivations (skin color alone) are justified.

    , @RadicalCenter
    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful "die white mother-----" crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don't underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It's not rare and it's often not subtle or ambiguous.
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  128. Truth says:
    @Anon
    Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that's OK too, I guess.

    OK, now we’re getting somewhere.

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  129. Bobb says:
    @Macumazahn
    "You want to blend in and be known as just another house with a couple guns."
    Why would you ever want anyone to know that your household contains more than one gun?
    Gone forever are the days of dozens of beautiful firearms proudly displayed in cases on the wall.

    Victims are not random. They are chosen. You can be the one with the gun free zone sign.

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  130. TheJester says:

    If the public narrative focuses on whites owning guns, there will not be enough “talk time” to discuss black males being hyper-violent and using them … to primarily kill each other it seems. Therefore, the narrative will be about evil whites owning guns rather than attributing the somber statistics to ethnic cultures or genes, which is forbidden in a relativist, counterfactual milieu that categorically declares (in the face of science) that race, gender, culture, and age are artificial social constructs.

    I recall reading part of a multi-volume History of the United States by Princeton University. It was written in the 1890s. It related two persistent problems in the Negro communities of the time … violence and drug use, primarily cocaine.

    It seems things change … but nothing changes.

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  131. Svigor says:

    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

    An AR “pistol” is a good compromise. Chambered in .300 AAC, the ballistics are still good down to 8″, and you can go much shorter if you want; in 5.56 you need a longer barrel, at least 10.5 to 11.5 inches.

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  132. Svigor says:

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we’re being honest they’re all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

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    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.
    , @ANON
    Despite what Scalia J wrote for the court in Heller?
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  133. @Anon
    Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks

    Maybe we should move to where he lives, seems like a nice guy and apparently has better local demographics than either of us ;)

    My mother is highly educated and has been all around North America and Europe, yet she still refers to all Hispanics, including indio and mestizo people, as “Spanish.”

    She is visiting us here in L.A. and recently described the people in a certain store nearby as “Spanish people” — to which I responded, “I wish.”

    I wonder how different America would be if our Hispanics were actually Europeans, i.e. Spaniards. Imagine replacing, say, forty million Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, Nicaraguans, etc., in the USA with Spaniards. (though hopefully not the ones from the part of Spain with that freeking lisp, is it Barcelona?)

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  134. @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    I’m not surprised to hear that. How sad. I don’t blame those folks for taking the jobs; how could I? But I blame the farmers, food processors, and other employers for selling us out.

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  135. @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    and Somalis, apparently, at some meat-processing plants in Arkansas and the like.

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  136. @EliteCommInc.
    Demographics: the rate of change in the black population to the overall population is at 14% or 13%

    1% increase if categorizing blacks uniquely and (roughly)
    2% percentage points if one broadens the definition of black citizens.

    http://blackdemographics.com/ That rate of change suggests a fairly constant range to the overall population even to the 12.5% provided. I guess one could argue about what constitutes constant.

    It’s terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman’s life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger “Liberia” project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy — including “gun control”, constant surveillance, and excessive police power — because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can’t be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like “without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those ‘sweet little babies’ when they grow up.”

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    Laugh,


    Unfortunately,

    you are mistaking the events of 9/11 to black citizens. Furthermore, until perhaps, 9/11, no group has been under more scrutiny,. surveillance privacy violation and suspicion than blacks. The use of terrorism may be a convenient excuse to the attitudes of the black population -- but that mess was the result of the leadership exclusively white tending to stoke fears for power position and war making . . . blaming black people for that is more than over the top.

    I am unclear why I am would entertain seriously anyone who supports murdering children in the womb - for any reason. You are afraid because less than .3% of blacks might, maybe, bump into you randomly and do an act of violence. Hey I understand irrational fears. It might be justified to that small percentage of whites who might that experience. But honestly, if that fear resides you -- you might want to stop feeding it.

    One just has to get over the fact that blacks are the overwhelming legitimate concerns from whites. And while I think it is problematic - I would be a liar if I didn't admit there's whole sale justification. Far more by a solar systems breadth of justification. I have been schooled, taught in both private and public systems, worked among and with CEO's and staff of private companies. And by far -- it's the black person at whim of whites regardless of their status, financial position or expertise. I won't say that it is all justified, but the data sets back up that reality.


    Relax, whites have a long way to go before our society is equal enough for you to be afraid any black person instinctively.

    , @Anonymous
    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn't deal with it and abortion doesn't make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?
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  137. joef says:
    @Macumazahn
    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I'll call my "myopia" on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago. I have no experience with the sort of rural blacks that you speak of, although I will say that the very few blacks with whom I interact professionally are just as you describe. However, the majority of them are Caribbean imports, neither born nor raised in America.

    Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I’ll call my “myopia” on the subject.
    My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago

    Well do not be too hard on yourself because unfortunately what you described earlier is the preponderance of behavior from afro americans (especially in Oakland, which is a rough town, definitely not cupcake). The urban ghetto version of radical afro predatory behavior is what dominates, and holds sway over the afro american culture (to which pandering progressives seem to contradictorily both praise it, but dismiss its occurrence).

    As such that is what is destabilizing our civilization with unsustainable debt (from the insatiable, ever increasing, welfare entitlements provided to afros at taxpayer expense, resulting in unpayable burdens for future unborn generations to come); and afro animosity that breeds contempt for its host society to the level of a de facto race war. When this enormous debt cannot be continued, and the free welfare checks stop being handed out to afros, the race war between us will most likely become a hot one.

    This is my dreaded fear, but stoically I accept it as almost inevitable, therefore I say we must prepare for this hardship. Humans go through low & high points in history, so this is not unusual (just depends where we are living in history). Our job in this wave of history is to carry it forward through the trough portion, so it may peak again. We may not benefit by seeing the next peak, but we can carryon so future generations can enjoy it benefits (and take it for granted again where it will begin to decline). Sorry I do not have a better answer, but it is what it is (hopefully human history will learn from its errors).

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  138. @Joe Bloe
    I hate to back up comic book boy, but "No snitchin" while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.

    Dunno, in the USA, it seems to be nearly universal in their misnamed “communities.”

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  139. @Pat Boyle
    I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I've pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn't been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. “Man’s inhumanity to man” and all that. But then, it’s even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they’re NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F— ‘em.

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    If you like a shotgun - buy and keep a shotgun. I have a tactical shotgun but I've never pulled it out and pointed at a home invader. I have done that with home invaders with my handgun - twice.

    For the short ranges that are involved in most home defense the scatter of a shotgun is irrelevant, But shotguns are cost effective. You can get a perfectly lethal shotgun for peanuts. Don't bother with analysis - just get one and put it in your gun safe.

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  140. @Achmed E. Newman
    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

    Well said, Mr. Newman.

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  141. @Truth
    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.

    Given the extremely high HIV infection rate in the African-American “community”, among other reasons, skip it.

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  142. @AndrewR
    "Gun nut" is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn't necessarily qualify even if he's spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn't necessarily qualify. And it's insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that "white family" with a shotgun and a pistol as "gun-obsessed rednecks."

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

    Some fancy themselves heroes, to be sure. But the rest of us don’t expect that we will be able to buy ammunition, at least for quite a while, in the aftermath of a social-collapse event. And any available ammo probably would be terribly jacked up in price, depriving us of money needed for also-scarce and inflated-price food and water.

    Would it be smarter to risk running out of ammo, or running out of money to buy both food and ammo, if that situation persists for a long time?

    Some people who keep that much ammo on hand are nutty, but I’d wager most are not. Certainly there is nothing inherently illogical about keeping it on hand. Better to have and not need, than need and not have, as the old aphorism goes.

    Also, a couple can go to the range a couple times and fire off hundreds of handgun rounds practicing in a month. Could go shoot skeet or trap and use up over a hundred shotgun shells easily, as well.

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  143. @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

    There’s this little practiced matter in criminal cases — it’s called motive. I noticed your comment has no references to just how that was determined. Just because get smacked in the head by a red head does not by itself mean I was attacked for being green eyed.

    Further, I have no doubt that some number of whites get attacked just for being white, but one cannot know that simply by looking at the numbers. That is the kind of simplistic explanation hijacks color game. The recorded history on such behavior clearly weighs against whites as to cause and is well documented.

    Note: I did not say it doesn’t happen. Apparently, you and the articles author are on the same shallow page — one of the vital issues when assessing criminal cases is motive. Sometimes motive is so hard to determine given the issues – that some locals don’t even require it.

    It would do well, not make arguments I am not making such as — color is not factor in criminal behavior against whites. I didn’t say that and I did not suggest that.

    What I said again — is that just because a black person has committed a crime against a white person does not mean it was motivated by the persons whiteness. The reason such cases are easier to make for black people is very simple — the vast national practice in which whites attacked blacks merely;y for being black:

    black on the beach
    black disrespect
    black dating flirting married to white person
    blacks seeking job
    black buying a home -0 wrong neighborhood
    black with money
    black with no money . . . .

    being black.

    The history of discrimination based on black anything is just a hard hurdle to ignore.

    If anyone needs reality check its anyone claiming that said color motivated crimes by blacks is in any manner the magnitude, scope and consequence in every aspect of citizenship the same for whites — even color is indicated as the motive.

    No my comments do not condone, excuse or in any manner suggest that such motivations (skin color alone) are justified.

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  144. @sondjata
    "3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed."

    Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful “die white mother—–” crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don’t underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It’s not rare and it’s often not subtle or ambiguous.

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    With all sincerity, I am saddened that you experienced any manner of criminal act on your person ---


    I agree that said experience can be life changing and skewer one's a priori view of others. I would that I could say, I have had no such experience(s).
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  145. joef says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Then I am afraid you have little understanding of how detectives and the police operate and why their success is largely dependent on community participation and cooperation.

    -----------------------------


    I should include Hollywood, actors, actresses, producers, writers, cartoonists, comedians, celebrity physicians . . . heck bent on no tattle telling . . .again, unless they are looking to scapegoat.

    Excuse my negligence -- news reporters, broadcasters, managers, producers . . . hair stylists, manicurists . . .

    LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

    You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

    I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

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    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.


    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It's disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program -- numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years -- white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don't rat each other out - despite being neighbors to the victims - whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive -- and I thank God that bitterness hasn't completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
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  146. @RadicalCenter
    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

    Laugh,

    Unfortunately,

    you are mistaking the events of 9/11 to black citizens. Furthermore, until perhaps, 9/11, no group has been under more scrutiny,. surveillance privacy violation and suspicion than blacks. The use of terrorism may be a convenient excuse to the attitudes of the black population — but that mess was the result of the leadership exclusively white tending to stoke fears for power position and war making . . . blaming black people for that is more than over the top.

    I am unclear why I am would entertain seriously anyone who supports murdering children in the womb – for any reason. You are afraid because less than .3% of blacks might, maybe, bump into you randomly and do an act of violence. Hey I understand irrational fears. It might be justified to that small percentage of whites who might that experience. But honestly, if that fear resides you — you might want to stop feeding it.

    One just has to get over the fact that blacks are the overwhelming legitimate concerns from whites. And while I think it is problematic – I would be a liar if I didn’t admit there’s whole sale justification. Far more by a solar systems breadth of justification. I have been schooled, taught in both private and public systems, worked among and with CEO’s and staff of private companies. And by far — it’s the black person at whim of whites regardless of their status, financial position or expertise. I won’t say that it is all justified, but the data sets back up that reality.

    Relax, whites have a long way to go before our society is equal enough for you to be afraid any black person instinctively.

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  147. @AndrewR
    2018 leftism is, at its core, about dispossessing and disenfranchising white people. This clear fact drives a small subset of white people to react rationally, and an even smaller subset to overcompensate, but the left lumps all of these people together as Deplorables and uses them as a pretext to ramp up anti-white hate even more.

    Rednecks obsessed with guns are not representative of whites as a whole, nor of white right-wingers as a whole. And they're certainly politically powerless and not a threat to urban white-hating dindus like Damon Young. The NRA probably is too powerful, but it's certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it's a helluva lot less harmful.

    The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.

    It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions…

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    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn't deal with it and abortion doesn't make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?
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  148. @Anon
    The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

    Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
    Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

    “Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans.”

    Too true. Our neighbors in Western Washington were dairy farmers. All the family farms from the 1940-1950′s had sold out to the one Big Man left standing. He rented all their nice old homes to his Mexican help who were and are, essentially, serfs on his feudal manor. And I’m not speaking hyperbolically. They lived on his land, worked every day of the week, milked at all hours etc. American farming practice has returned to the Middle Ages.

    The Big Man drove around in his suburban, wore khakis and a polo shirt. Never got his hands dirty or his boots muddy. He told us one day, “I should have bought your farm when it came on the market”. We had purchased what was left, 5 acres, of what had been an old dairy farm that had been homesteaded by the original Swedish family for over a century.

    The Big Man didn’t want any small holders around because then he had to take some care when he sprayed, which was weekly. We still got doused in insecticide and fertilizer even though we would take precautions whenever we saw the spray trucks getting ready to do their thing.

    We are a long way from the Jeffersonian ideal of the small yeoman farmer. On the self sufficient farm a man, his wife and children became capable and strong by the demands, responsibilities and discipline that farming imposes on people. Now we are a nation that regards truly independent people as enemies to be stomped out, autarchic anachronisms.

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  149. @joef
    LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

    You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

    I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.

    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It’s disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program — numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years — white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don’t rat each other out – despite being neighbors to the victims – whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

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    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.
     
    Uhh, ...world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.
     
    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
     
    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time... An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

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  150. @Svigor

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
     
    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we're being honest they're all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

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    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn't? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?
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  151. notice says:

    Mr. Paul Kersey,
    Your fact-heavy output is appreciated sir. God bless.

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  152. @Achmed E. Newman
    I keep up with the NRA magazine America's First Freedom. I've probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it's not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS's ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

    You don't seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It's not like you don't have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin' out loud. It's very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 - 30 years ago and were laughed at.

    "Oh, what a rube with this 'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." bumper sticker!" they exclaimed. Now it's knives - do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

    Same point to make as about suicide…. Who wouldn’t prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?

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    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I'd prefer to be 6' 6" with some MMA training.

    This is hopefully hypothetical for me, as I'd really prefer to know ahead of time that I'm in a bad spot, and this guy looks shady. Often just showing that one has a gun can put the kibosh on violent crime by non-professional thugs.

    For a burglar, a good dog is best, so that I'd at least know well ahead something is up. Then I wouldn't care so much what weapon he has once the glass starts breaking.
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  153. @Pat Boyle
    I don't know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

    I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper - probably a lunatic - who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

    A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

    Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven't prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

    Sounds rational and indeed reasonable. My widowed mother had a very rich cattle owning paaaartner late in life. He was a small old man but he surprised me by saying he had a (licensed) small revolver as he lived nornally in one if Australia’s safest cities. If I lived off the beaten track in the country I think I might, especially past youth and strength, acquire a hand gun as well as the rifle and/ or shotgun for the rabbits and foxes (and maybe dingoes and snakes – apparently killing the cockatoos that can strip a tree is not allowed; query fruit bats). In youth I was in rifle teams for a couple of major trophies so I don’t have any relevant emotions – apart from regret at not having worn hearing protection.

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  154. @AndrewR
    "Gun nut" is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn't necessarily qualify even if he's spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn't necessarily qualify. And it's insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that "white family" with a shotgun and a pistol as "gun-obsessed rednecks."

    I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

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  155. @RadicalCenter
    You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

    I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful "die white mother-----" crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

    Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don't underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It's not rare and it's often not subtle or ambiguous.

    With all sincerity, I am saddened that you experienced any manner of criminal act on your person —

    I agree that said experience can be life changing and skewer one’s a priori view of others. I would that I could say, I have had no such experience(s).

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  156. @Wizard of Oz
    Same point to make as about suicide.... Who wouldn't prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

    This is hopefully hypothetical for me, as I’d really prefer to know ahead of time that I’m in a bad spot, and this guy looks shady. Often just showing that one has a gun can put the kibosh on violent crime by non-professional thugs.

    For a burglar, a good dog is best, so that I’d at least know well ahead something is up. Then I wouldn’t care so much what weapon he has once the glass starts breaking.

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  157. joef says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.


    Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It's disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program -- numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years -- white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don't rat each other out - despite being neighbors to the victims - whites.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive -- and I thank God that bitterness hasn't completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.

    Uhh, …world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.

    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time… An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

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    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them -- maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation - sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country -- and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks - doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.


    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it's own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among "ghetto" or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a "black trait" that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, -- what have you manifested as much --- and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here -- I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    "black thing." But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.


    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. -- I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney's who conspire to violate the law - in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood's or color population's ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique --as though it matters why they don't cooperate -- the fact is as you admit - they don't.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it's hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life -- if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone's weapon. There's no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone';s weapons than blacks. In fact, there's more evidence - even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens - despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship - ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don't need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don't need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn't fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.
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  158. Pat Boyle says:
    @RadicalCenter
    I'm no gun expert at all, but I'm pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    So I'm told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. "Man's inhumanity to man" and all that. But then, it's even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they're NOT met with firearms.

    By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F--- 'em.

    If you like a shotgun – buy and keep a shotgun. I have a tactical shotgun but I’ve never pulled it out and pointed at a home invader. I have done that with home invaders with my handgun – twice.

    For the short ranges that are involved in most home defense the scatter of a shotgun is irrelevant, But shotguns are cost effective. You can get a perfectly lethal shotgun for peanuts. Don’t bother with analysis – just get one and put it in your gun safe.

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  159. Svigor says:

    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

    True. The Constitution is perfectly sufficient to address the matter. People say “if the Founders knew the technology that was coming,” bla bla bla. But the Founders left perfectly functional options in place for Amending the Constitution. If a restriction becomes so obviously needed that any fool can see it, then everyone will agree, and the Constitution can be Amended to reflect the consensus. The trouble is, leftists don’t have the support of such a consensus, and can’t get broad support for their goals. They run around shouting with their wigs half-off as if it were obvious that they have the support, but they don’t.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

    Shotguns have their uses, but no, they are not generally “the way to go” for home defense. They are locked into a rather unfavorable form factor, because their capacity is tied to their length (exceptions like box-fed and other newfangled mechanisms that probably haven’t caught on for good reasons, notwithstanding). Put another way, a pump shotgun with sufficient firepower is too unwieldy. An AR is a much better choice. Shotguns have their uses, but ARs are a much more popular home defense choice, and have been for years; the form factor is much better (far better firepower:length ratio), for one thing. Also, pump shotguns are way too slow to reload. The one good thing about shotguns is that if you use shot shells, the rounds are stopped by almost anything; I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock. So if your main concern is overpenetration, shotguns are a good choice.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

    People press their own ammo at home, in every caliber you can think of.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

    1k rounds of .22lr weighs roughly 7lbs, IIRC.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

    Guns and ammo are a good investment. Any financial planner will tell you how important diversification is. IMO, that includes a share in durable goods. There are no more durable goods than firearms. They’ll last for generations, given minimal effort to store them properly. Ammo has a really long shelf-life, too. It’s easy to make a bit of coin by selling during panics, and then buying again when prices have dropped (though I recommend having a core stock not subject to sale, except to rotate out and replace the oldest ammo).

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

    I’d take a good knife over MMA training, any day. A knife is a much better force multiplier than training is. Well, physical training, anyway (nothing is more important than being psychologically prepared to defend yourself). TBH I think I’d rather find myself stuck in a woman’s body and armed with a knife and facing a man armed with a knife, than be an unarmed man facing a man with a knife.

    Best to have both a firearm and a knife; TL;DR version is, at a certain (close) range, blades are more deadly than firearms.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

    Why the FBI is being offered as an honest, impartial source for information is beyond my ken. They’re federal employees; they’re as likely to give you a pile of politically-correct horseshit as the truth.

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    "I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock."

    Are you kidding me?

    I took my shotgun out into the back yard one day, set up a sheet of 1/2" ply and shot various loads into it from various distances.

    Why plywood?

    Here's an experiment I encourage every one of you (still reading this thread) to try. Take a scrap piece of 1/2 or 3/4" ply say, 2' x 2' and lay it on a stump or whatever is is you split your firewood on. Grab your best axe or hatchet from the woodshed. Sharpen it good and sharp. Now address the ply with a good shoulder width apart, square stance, lift the axe over your head and bring it down as though you were trying to impress your girlfriend at the county fair when swinging a wooden sledgehammer at one of those make the bell ring affairs.

    What happened? Your axehead may have penetrated a bit through the ply, but not much. Ply is really tough stuff.

    So, back to the shotgun. If I remember correctly, even #7 birdshot will blow a fist sized hole clean through a piece of 1/2" ply from 15 yards.

    Double aught Buck shot would go through sheet rock like a bull through cobwebs (at any reasonable indoor distance).

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  160. @Truth
    This is entirely senseless, Blaise Pascal.

    No matter how many blacks are victimized or offenders, and no matter how many whites are vicitimized or offenders, the RATIO of whites to blacks in this country remains the same.

    And the simple fact is that the vast majority of crimes committed against whites are committed BY whites, that is in every category that I have seen.

    You can’t possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Are you really incapable of comprehending such a simple concept as “per capita?” The relevant stat, as regards to a realistic assessment of the risk of a stranger attacking you for no apparent reason, has nothing to do with the total populations. It has to do with the characteristic of the group that stranger belongs to. Or do you somehow believe that every person in the country comes into contact with every other person in the entire population, every day?

    Using 2010 data:
    the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa. Moreover, blacks who committed violent crimes chose white victims 47.7% of the time, whereas whites who committed violent crimes targeted black victims only 3.9% of the time.*

    In other words, a Black who sees a random White male walking towards him has nothing to fear. A White who sees a Black male stranger walking towards him is quite correct in appraising that individual as markedly higher risk to commit random acts of violence.

    *According to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), an estimated 320,082 whites were victims of black violence in 2010, while 62,593 blacks were victims of white violence. That same year, according to the Census Bureau, the white and black populations in the U.S. were 196,817,552 and 37,685,848, respectively. Whites therefore committed acts of interracial violence at a rate of 32 per 100,000, while the black rate was 849 per 100,000. In other words, the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa.

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  161. @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    “What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime

    Stop right there. That’s your entire problem — a false embedded assumption; framing the issue in a deliberately distorted manner.

    Replace “gun” with “Negro” in that sentence (a more accurate characterization of the problem). Do the policy implications differ?

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    To start with I should have made it clear that i recognise that not all gun deaths are crimes. Accidents are more common where there are more guns and successful suicide is most likely with guns. Otherwise I see your point because a recovery of the courage to do stop and frisks where police probably don't even go would be a big part of it.

    However that should surely accompany the extra time for and fact of character checks, reducing the number of guns - not least the number of guns that have to be kept safely locked up and out of the hands of unstable members of the household.

    Would there be a constitutional problem about police doing an electronic frisk? Surely devices could be used which would allow police to form the opinion that there was a firearm in the close vicinity and contrive a reason for a search. Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.
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  162. @EliteCommInc.
    First let's tackle the obvious,

    a. according to your own stats most blacks are not interested in changing the the 2nd amendment and most likely support individual gun ownership at the very least -- don't care

    b. there's no method of determining which weighs heaviest being black or being a democrat or liberal in otherwords black liberals , progressives, democrats (most likely those educated elites) are inclined to support gun control just like their white counter parts

    c. hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets -- and they openly want to be seen as whites --- no hurdling or IQ required to comprehend why.

    d. engaging in categorical manipulation doesn't help make the case, in fact, it belies a manner of willful and sinister manipulation of the truth so as to advance an agenda -- in this case the typical blacks bad whites good. Democrats are democrats, counting democrats alongside blacks as though that represents some manner of actual comparison skews the numbers and in general represents a false comparison --

    Third,

    Overall support for private gun ownership has increased despite a dropping crime rate. And in previous discussions that increased included members of black citizens.

    https://ijr.com/2015/04/301406-new-poll-shows-major-shift-in-how-americans-view-the-2nd-amendment-and-gun-control/

    Fourth

    a. uhhh it's shocking. And it's accurate, that upon remaining in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life - occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats. Though they had out longer than those other populations, white in color. Over time, whatever malfunctions occur finally eroded the to norm . Those darn blacks in similar circumstances are just like whites afterall --- that's disappointing.

    b. And just like the white demographics, some cities are more prone to these behaviors more than others.

    c. But let's play fair -- hispanic and asians are whites not black and both are ethnic groups --- sliding them into the color box constitutes a gaming of the the stats. No cheating, one should own their own, even when we don't like what that ownership means.

    d. It's a safe bet that when blacks who support some manner of gun control they aren't just after the guns of whites. They are also after the guns of those inner city users of weapons. Most gun control advocates are equal opportunity gun control advocates.

    Fourth

    a. Another shocker, the more desperate the circumstances in which people live, the more likely the crime rate, including violent crimes are likely to be -- seems to be a phenomenon regardless of color, but we have worked over time to make any and all human commonalities uniquely blacks especially if its negative. The longer anyone groups occupies said environments without a shift, the more sustained violent environments thrive, hence the term cycle of violence, poverty, etc --

    b. The goal here of course is to denote some overall assessment of the black population in general by examining the numbers. Let's just take murder. Based on this article,

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/04/05/doj-blacks-committed-about-53-of-all-murders-in-2015/

    there were roughly 14,000 murders in 2015. Let's attribute everyone of them to blacks. That's 0.034%. It doesn't represent a 1/2 % of the black population --- hardly an angry mass mob looking to go after whites with or without guns afterall one has be with a specific population, location and social set to be a victim of a tiny minority. It's always nice to bin up the numbers by percentage comparisons of by ignoring the actual totals. Like the scary percentages of police deaths from homicide were up some forty percent or whatever that number was nearly two years as it turns the increase was a total of something like five officers with a rang total -- there was no war on the police, not an active gun war anymore than blacks are trying to confiscate duns just from white people so they can kill them later.

    One wants to defend gun rights, fine by me -- my full support. But this kind of advocacy among thinking people gives conservatives and gun rights activists a bad name for very squirrelly arguments. It's the kind of fear mongering that lends credence to contentions that gun advocates are a paranoid fringe -- hoping the bottle snaps so they can shoot their imagined threats for real.


    And it misses the real issue that causes concern -- the random mass shootings on citizens. That's the issue. The marches and protests the last five years are not concerning the few black people who shoot each other. It's that unsuspecting person who one day walking into a public square or sits on a rooftop or balcony and just starts killing people. To pretend that you can change the real fear people have by pulling out the old crime in the streets gambit, insults the intelligence of most people who know and understand that there are certain locations and social settings best avoided to avoid being shot. Generally people know what those neighbors are and where they are located -- they can avoid them. No. The fear is for commonly understood safe places to suddenly become a shooting gallery: places like the mall, the lark, the local school, entertainment venue or of all places the country's churches.

    Sec Rice is not talking about the dangers of walking at night doing a dope deal in Cabreeny Green, Kansas city. She is talking the unlikely scenario of having a picnic on her ranch with friends which is interrupted by someone who doesn't like Tuesdays and has decided in a blue mood to take the lives of herself and her guests.

    “in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats.”

    No. Not this “poverty causes violent crime” canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like “poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc..” this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    It’s not as if no one’s ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range– around .28 – .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    It’s very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

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    Your a little late this has been addressed detail. I have never posited poverty alone. Not even close. And before you start to the races you might want to carefully read what I actually said, not what you wanted or hoped I said.


    Your right, it has been studied ad nauseum. An d anyone actually reading what I stated would get immediately that I am not linking any one set or sets singularly. More importantly, any researcher that claims they are controlling for education, unemployment, levels ---

    Excuse me once you grant out the impacts are real and significant, you can'tr very well proceed to controlling them. None of these neighborhood are that static especially their relational dynamics. It's great to isolate out those factors and then proceed to control for them by ignoring their interrelated nature as well as impact on family community structure, ethics of said community and it formulation --

    You have jumped on a band wagon, I did not create. But I am not inclined to quibble an artifact that is not representative of the whole. And that is the issue here as indicated all throughout the article. There's nothing that ignores the obvious. What there is a challenge top overall advance that blacks as a people are criminally prone. But it is of course appropriate fore you to narrow your advance -- of some 1.5% of the violent criminals.

    I also think think your example to population, income and crime comparison of value. It's one example, though I do not in any way dismiss it. I am curious as to the relational dynamic, proximity, surely you are not comparing a rural community of similar population to one located in or near an urban environment. Be that as it may, I would hazard a guess that there are some white communities that have higher crime rates --- when making comparisons, the variables in question must actually be comparable. I am not saying yours is not or that false comparison is being made here, what we understand about stats today and what constitutes validity in said circumstances matter. Given your tend to support overgeneralized conclusions -- well, there it is.

    Since you have completely missed the arguments and characterized the one you reference, it's safe to say your comments about my polity, character, and ethos are just as incorrect. But it is a sign of the problem. Your obviously didn't read my the lengthy discussion which says something about your generalizations of my character and politics, of which you know absolutely nothing ---

    One of the characteristics of serious researchers is prudence, a characteristic of conservatives I hear. And it is imprudent and careless to make the kinds of generalizations about an entire group of people based on these small data sets of a unique population. No one dismisses color dynamics -- and I have in no manner avoided them. Since you are now standing on your head, it is safe to say I won't rehash anything further.


    Well , you do have one observation spot on correct --- correlation does not alone mean causation. That bit of advance was unraveled in the 1970(?) -- it's great that you caught up.
    , @joef

    Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.
    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.
     
    That pretty much sums it up. But somehow I believe elitcomminc actually believes his own obfuscated sophist nonsense, pleasantly isolating himself from the real world (favoring the contrived world of academic make believe). I almost pity him when future harsh reality pays him a visit, with nowhere to hide. Then living in denial will no longer protect him from the violence, he so wishes to desperately ignore. [I guess he believes afro perpetrated violent crime doesn't exist, or the victims are all just making it up] Only in modern society can people live while denying reality. Prior to modern times this poor survival trait caused progressive minded people to die off. It is amazing that he appears to be so smart, yet so disconnected.
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  163. Svigor says:

    No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense.

    The ideal is to stock up on guns and ammo in selected calibers, and for extra credit also buy at least one firearm in various popular calibers that you don’t stockpile ammo for, so you’ll have something that shoots found/gifted/whatever ammo.

    E.g:

    Stocked calibers:

    .22lr
    9mm
    .308
    .357
    5.56×45
    12 gauge

    Most of your guns fire rounds listed above, but you also keep at least 1 gun in:

    .380
    .38
    .45
    10mm
    .40
    .44

    7.62×39
    7.62×51
    .270
    .300AAC
    7mm Remington
    30-30
    30-06
    .338 Lupua

    20 gauge

    Etc.

    Obviously this is if you want a “serious” collection; most of us will short of the ideal. If you just want an adequate home defense collection, buy 9mm and 5.56, and pistols and ARs chambered for them.

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  164. Svigor says:

    Addendum, it’s best to have at least 2 or 3 weapons in your chosen calibers (preferably weapons as similar to each other as possible, so they can share parts, mags, and manuals of arms), with emphasis on important calibers like 9mm and 5.56, before you start buying your strictly SHTF/mothballed guns.

    So in the above example, you’re looking at having like 35 guns before you even start on the second-order guns. Like I said; “serious” collections.

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  165. @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    “86% of white murder victims are killed by whites.”

    In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called “White flight”) did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

    Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

    Just curious.

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    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind
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  166. I do have a response here — but i have to take some time before i decide to post if at all.

    There are several points I would take issue with. I am just not sure it is necessary given my previous responses.

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  167. @Wizard of Oz
    You can indeed read it but without a lawyer's help you evidently can't understand it. Why is that so clear?

    First because you haven't understood - probably not read - the Heller Case you cite and therefore don't understand that it doesn't support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

    Second, your bolding of "shall not be infringed" [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying "shall not be limited". And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

    http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

    Please don't think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.

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    Indeed but it surely isn't a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.
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  168. @Svigor

    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.
     
    True. The Constitution is perfectly sufficient to address the matter. People say "if the Founders knew the technology that was coming," bla bla bla. But the Founders left perfectly functional options in place for Amending the Constitution. If a restriction becomes so obviously needed that any fool can see it, then everyone will agree, and the Constitution can be Amended to reflect the consensus. The trouble is, leftists don't have the support of such a consensus, and can't get broad support for their goals. They run around shouting with their wigs half-off as if it were obvious that they have the support, but they don't.

    I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.
     
    Shotguns have their uses, but no, they are not generally "the way to go" for home defense. They are locked into a rather unfavorable form factor, because their capacity is tied to their length (exceptions like box-fed and other newfangled mechanisms that probably haven't caught on for good reasons, notwithstanding). Put another way, a pump shotgun with sufficient firepower is too unwieldy. An AR is a much better choice. Shotguns have their uses, but ARs are a much more popular home defense choice, and have been for years; the form factor is much better (far better firepower:length ratio), for one thing. Also, pump shotguns are way too slow to reload. The one good thing about shotguns is that if you use shot shells, the rounds are stopped by almost anything; I'm not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock. So if your main concern is overpenetration, shotguns are a good choice.

    So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).
     
    People press their own ammo at home, in every caliber you can think of.

    RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.
     
    1k rounds of .22lr weighs roughly 7lbs, IIRC.

    If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.
     
    Guns and ammo are a good investment. Any financial planner will tell you how important diversification is. IMO, that includes a share in durable goods. There are no more durable goods than firearms. They'll last for generations, given minimal effort to store them properly. Ammo has a really long shelf-life, too. It's easy to make a bit of coin by selling during panics, and then buying again when prices have dropped (though I recommend having a core stock not subject to sale, except to rotate out and replace the oldest ammo).

    For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.
     
    I'd take a good knife over MMA training, any day. A knife is a much better force multiplier than training is. Well, physical training, anyway (nothing is more important than being psychologically prepared to defend yourself). TBH I think I'd rather find myself stuck in a woman's body and armed with a knife and facing a man armed with a knife, than be an unarmed man facing a man with a knife.

    Best to have both a firearm and a knife; TL;DR version is, at a certain (close) range, blades are more deadly than firearms.

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    Why the FBI is being offered as an honest, impartial source for information is beyond my ken. They're federal employees; they're as likely to give you a pile of politically-correct horseshit as the truth.

    “I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock.”

    Are you kidding me?

    I took my shotgun out into the back yard one day, set up a sheet of 1/2″ ply and shot various loads into it from various distances.

    Why plywood?

    Here’s an experiment I encourage every one of you (still reading this thread) to try. Take a scrap piece of 1/2 or 3/4″ ply say, 2′ x 2′ and lay it on a stump or whatever is is you split your firewood on. Grab your best axe or hatchet from the woodshed. Sharpen it good and sharp. Now address the ply with a good shoulder width apart, square stance, lift the axe over your head and bring it down as though you were trying to impress your girlfriend at the county fair when swinging a wooden sledgehammer at one of those make the bell ring affairs.

    What happened? Your axehead may have penetrated a bit through the ply, but not much. Ply is really tough stuff.

    So, back to the shotgun. If I remember correctly, even #7 birdshot will blow a fist sized hole clean through a piece of 1/2″ ply from 15 yards.

    Double aught Buck shot would go through sheet rock like a bull through cobwebs (at any reasonable indoor distance).

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  169. @joef

    I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.
     
    Uhh, ...world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

    That is not unique among black populations.
     
    I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

    Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.
     
    True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

    You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.
     
    Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

    So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time... An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

    Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them — maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation – sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country — and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks – doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.

    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it’s own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among “ghetto” or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a “black trait” that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, — what have you manifested as much — and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here — I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    “black thing.” But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.

    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. — I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney’s who conspire to violate the law – in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood’s or color population’s ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique –as though it matters why they don’t cooperate — the fact is as you admit – they don’t.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it’s hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life — if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone’s weapon. There’s no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone’;s weapons than blacks. In fact, there’s more evidence – even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens – despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship – ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don’t need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don’t need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn’t fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.

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    For a guy who believes in academic integrity you seem to carelessly misrepresent what others reply to you.
    I mainly described a component of Black victims who do not cooperate because of fear, not because they approve of afro criminality.
    Plus there is a distinction from afro ghetto crime which overtly plays out more in the open, as compared to Russian (or Italian etc) organized crime that is covert. Even when you have the typical resident who admires organized crime, they are not inside it to provide detailed info to the FBI. The organized crime must me infiltrated from the within, which is difficult to do.
    As opposed to the example of one afro shooting another afro, in the street in broad daylight, in their own neighborhood, and the other Black residents refuse to cooperate because of either fear, or admiration.
    If you were not so insulated in the pathologically naive world of preferred academia, this should be common sense to you (maybe you should read less and get out in the world a little more, then maybe you will obtain some useful practical knowledge on how things actually work... LOL, sorry I couldn't help it).
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  170. @James Forrestal
    "in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats."

    No. Not this "poverty causes violent crime" canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like "poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc.." this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    https://kek.gg/i/CrkLF.jpg

    It's not as if no one's ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range-- around .28 - .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    https://kek.gg/i/TCVKG.jpg

    It's very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it's never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they're only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your "arguments" are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    Your a little late this has been addressed detail. I have never posited poverty alone. Not even close. And before you start to the races you might want to carefully read what I actually said, not what you wanted or hoped I said.

    Your right, it has been studied ad nauseum. An d anyone actually reading what I stated would get immediately that I am not linking any one set or sets singularly. More importantly, any researcher that claims they are controlling for education, unemployment, levels —

    Excuse me once you grant out the impacts are real and significant, you can’tr very well proceed to controlling them. None of these neighborhood are that static especially their relational dynamics. It’s great to isolate out those factors and then proceed to control for them by ignoring their interrelated nature as well as impact on family community structure, ethics of said community and it formulation –

    You have jumped on a band wagon, I did not create. But I am not inclined to quibble an artifact that is not representative of the whole. And that is the issue here as indicated all throughout the article. There’s nothing that ignores the obvious. What there is a challenge top overall advance that blacks as a people are criminally prone. But it is of course appropriate fore you to narrow your advance — of some 1.5% of the violent criminals.

    I also think think your example to population, income and crime comparison of value. It’s one example, though I do not in any way dismiss it. I am curious as to the relational dynamic, proximity, surely you are not comparing a rural community of similar population to one located in or near an urban environment. Be that as it may, I would hazard a guess that there are some white communities that have higher crime rates — when making comparisons, the variables in question must actually be comparable. I am not saying yours is not or that false comparison is being made here, what we understand about stats today and what constitutes validity in said circumstances matter. Given your tend to support overgeneralized conclusions — well, there it is.

    Since you have completely missed the arguments and characterized the one you reference, it’s safe to say your comments about my polity, character, and ethos are just as incorrect. But it is a sign of the problem. Your obviously didn’t read my the lengthy discussion which says something about your generalizations of my character and politics, of which you know absolutely nothing —

    One of the characteristics of serious researchers is prudence, a characteristic of conservatives I hear. And it is imprudent and careless to make the kinds of generalizations about an entire group of people based on these small data sets of a unique population. No one dismisses color dynamics — and I have in no manner avoided them. Since you are now standing on your head, it is safe to say I won’t rehash anything further.

    Well , you do have one observation spot on correct — correlation does not alone mean causation. That bit of advance was unraveled in the 1970(?) — it’s great that you caught up.

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  171. @James Forrestal
    "86% of white murder victims are killed by whites."

    In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called "White flight") did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

    Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

    Just curious.

    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .

    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don’t get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

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    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.
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  172. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn’t there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

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    I won't go through it again. But suppose I am jogging down Brentwood. As I jog, I bump into a woman who happens to black. I turn a corner and lo and behold I bump into another black women. Then I notice nearly all of the women running on this side of the street are black. Interesting.

    That night on the news, a lead in, "A man was bumping into black women on K street in Brentwood."

    Story:

    "A man was targeting black women on K Street this morning while jogging. There were about ten black women in the lane and about three white women, but this man seemed only interested in bumping into the blacks. During questioning the man claimed he wasn't aiming at black women, there were just more of them in the lane. I usually run along smith and there are very few black women there, but today I jogged east to K Street. An investigation has begun to consider acts of racist assault. One of the white women stated, "He never bumped into me -- I think it was a racist act."


    Speaking of exercise . . .

    Anyone attempting to anything among any population is going to impact the majority of that population -- whether or not he is targeting X or B requires more evidence that he or she bumped into you and you because you are green.


    The evidence and record is overwhelmingly against a certain population acting maliciously against another.

    Take a guess what the record and history tells us about who targets whom more in depth, scope and breadth and does so using perfectly legal and illegal mechanisms to boot. I don't support anyone committing acts of violence -- but coloring a 98.5% of a population based on 1.5% distributed throughout the country that might interact less than .3% of a criminal element --- in my view constitutes a degree of irrationality. 200 plus years of attribution to disenfranchise said group has done its work deep and well.


    A further lack of response on my part is neither fear, lack of critical or disrespect to anyone. I am sure this will come up again with some other article ---

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Maybe #176 is what he's saying.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Sorry. Try #178
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  173. jakealope says:
    @Truth
    I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
    Don't die wondering.

    Sex is one of those simple animalistic things blacks excel at, like dancing and fighting. But you sound like you are on the downlow too

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  174. @Jesse James
    The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.

    Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

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  175. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @GourmetDan

    The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.
     
    It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions...

    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

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  176. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    It's terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

    Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

    Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman's life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger "Liberia" project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

    Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy -- including "gun control", constant surveillance, and excessive police power -- because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can't be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

    And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like "without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those 'sweet little babies' when they grow up."

    You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

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  177. @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    I won’t go through it again. But suppose I am jogging down Brentwood. As I jog, I bump into a woman who happens to black. I turn a corner and lo and behold I bump into another black women. Then I notice nearly all of the women running on this side of the street are black. Interesting.

    That night on the news, a lead in, “A man was bumping into black women on K street in Brentwood.”

    Story:

    “A man was targeting black women on K Street this morning while jogging. There were about ten black women in the lane and about three white women, but this man seemed only interested in bumping into the blacks. During questioning the man claimed he wasn’t aiming at black women, there were just more of them in the lane. I usually run along smith and there are very few black women there, but today I jogged east to K Street. An investigation has begun to consider acts of racist assault. One of the white women stated, “He never bumped into me — I think it was a racist act.”

    Speaking of exercise . . .

    Anyone attempting to anything among any population is going to impact the majority of that population — whether or not he is targeting X or B requires more evidence that he or she bumped into you and you because you are green.

    The evidence and record is overwhelmingly against a certain population acting maliciously against another.

    Take a guess what the record and history tells us about who targets whom more in depth, scope and breadth and does so using perfectly legal and illegal mechanisms to boot. I don’t support anyone committing acts of violence — but coloring a 98.5% of a population based on 1.5% distributed throughout the country that might interact less than .3% of a criminal element — in my view constitutes a degree of irrationality. 200 plus years of attribution to disenfranchise said group has done its work deep and well.

    A further lack of response on my part is neither fear, lack of critical or disrespect to anyone. I am sure this will come up again with some other article —

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  178. @EliteCommInc.
    If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .


    Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don't get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.

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    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.
     
    Your assumptions are puzzling me here because you seem to be assuming that everyone is murdered, and, further, by someone of the opposite race.

    I would assume that k interactions resulting in murder take place, depending on the bloodthirstiness of society. Then we should expect that (6k/26) of these murders would be performed by blacks, and (20k/26) by whites, and that the same proportions should apply to murder victims. I wouldn't tend to think that population numbers would be the limiting factor in number of murder victims, since unless we're entering civil-war-type scenarios most of the population will not in fact be murdered. Perhaps I'm not accounting properly for spree killers?

    I don't understand Mr. ECI's jogging analogy at all, but since he has apparently called it quits I don't think I ever will.
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  179. joef says:
    @James Forrestal
    "in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats."

    No. Not this "poverty causes violent crime" canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like "poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc.." this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

    One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

    https://kek.gg/i/CrkLF.jpg

    It's not as if no one's ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range-- around .28 - .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

    Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In graphical form:

    https://kek.gg/i/TCVKG.jpg

    It's very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it's never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they're only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

    The rest of your "arguments" are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.
    The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

    That pretty much sums it up. But somehow I believe elitcomminc actually believes his own obfuscated sophist nonsense, pleasantly isolating himself from the real world (favoring the contrived world of academic make believe). I almost pity him when future harsh reality pays him a visit, with nowhere to hide. Then living in denial will no longer protect him from the violence, he so wishes to desperately ignore. [I guess he believes afro perpetrated violent crime doesn't exist, or the victims are all just making it up] Only in modern society can people live while denying reality. Prior to modern times this poor survival trait caused progressive minded people to die off. It is amazing that he appears to be so smart, yet so disconnected.

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  180. @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    Maybe #176 is what he’s saying.

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  181. @Anon
    Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn't there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

    Sorry. Try #178

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  182. ANON[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin
    At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

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    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?
     
    The Brown SCOTUS pretty much called the Plessy SCOTUS dunderheads.

    (About Plessy, that is. We're still waiting to hear any SCOTUS question the same Court's Wong.)
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  183. ANON[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?
     
    No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we're being honest they're all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

    Despite what Scalia J wrote for the court in Heller?

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  184. joef says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them -- maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation - sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country -- and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks - doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.


    No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it's own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among "ghetto" or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a "black trait" that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, -- what have you manifested as much --- and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here -- I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

    There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
    "black thing." But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.


    I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. -- I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney's who conspire to violate the law - in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood's or color population's ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique --as though it matters why they don't cooperate -- the fact is as you admit - they don't.

    Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

    your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it's hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life -- if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

    In the end most blacks are not after anyone's weapon. There's no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone';s weapons than blacks. In fact, there's more evidence - even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

    get rid of the black population by

    killing them in the womb

    replacing them with noncitizens - despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

    moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship - ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

    I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don't need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don't need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

    I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn't fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.

    For a guy who believes in academic integrity you seem to carelessly misrepresent what others reply to you.
    I mainly described a component of Black victims who do not cooperate because of fear, not because they approve of afro criminality.
    Plus there is a distinction from afro ghetto crime which overtly plays out more in the open, as compared to Russian (or Italian etc) organized crime that is covert. Even when you have the typical resident who admires organized crime, they are not inside it to provide detailed info to the FBI. The organized crime must me infiltrated from the within, which is difficult to do.
    As opposed to the example of one afro shooting another afro, in the street in broad daylight, in their own neighborhood, and the other Black residents refuse to cooperate because of either fear, or admiration.
    If you were not so insulated in the pathologically naive world of preferred academia, this should be common sense to you (maybe you should read less and get out in the world a little more, then maybe you will obtain some useful practical knowledge on how things actually work… LOL, sorry I couldn’t help it).

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  185. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Contrast and compare with the actual.

    The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

    Your assumptions are puzzling me here because you seem to be assuming that everyone is murdered, and, further, by someone of the opposite race.

    I would assume that k interactions resulting in murder take place, depending on the bloodthirstiness of society. Then we should expect that (6k/26) of these murders would be performed by blacks, and (20k/26) by whites, and that the same proportions should apply to murder victims. I wouldn’t tend to think that population numbers would be the limiting factor in number of murder victims, since unless we’re entering civil-war-type scenarios most of the population will not in fact be murdered. Perhaps I’m not accounting properly for spree killers?

    I don’t understand Mr. ECI’s jogging analogy at all, but since he has apparently called it quits I don’t think I ever will.

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  186. Svigor says:

    ThreeCranes says:
    April 13, 2018 at 7:04 pm GMT • 200 Words

    Good to know. Any thoughts on what 9mm ball does to 1/2″ ply? Only tests I’ve done was against unsuspecting pine trees, and it barely even penetrated the bark – bounced right off the wood underneath, barely leaving a mark.

    Maybe 9mm is a better choice vs. overpenetration.

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  187. Svigor says:

    Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

    Keeping guns out of the hands of the “mentally unstable” sounds great in theory, but it’s horrible in practice; no way in Hell I trust gov’t to do the job. They’re guaranteed to use it to infringe on sane people’s rights.

    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc; the gov’t can lock him up if he wants to keep him from harming someone.

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    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc;
     
    You left out the most important one. He's too mentally unstable to be allowed to vote.
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  188. @Wizard of Oz
    Your excuse presumably is lack of anything like a first year law student's ability to read and understand words. Evidently you don't know that your courts have not interpreted the Second Amendment as you seem to imagine. The conservative originalist Scalia J's judgments would be particularly helpful in relieving your ignorance.

    Whatever the purpose of the Second Amendment, it most certainly did not apply to blacks.

    1638. Act X.
    All persons except Negroes are to be provided with arms and ammunition or be fined at the pleasure of the governor and council.
    –Virginia statute

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  189. @Svigor

    Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.
     
    Keeping guns out of the hands of the "mentally unstable" sounds great in theory, but it's horrible in practice; no way in Hell I trust gov't to do the job. They're guaranteed to use it to infringe on sane people's rights.

    No, if an adult is too "mentally unstable" to handle a gun, he's too "mentally unstable" to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc; the gov't can lock him up if he wants to keep him from harming someone.

    No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc;

    You left out the most important one. He’s too mentally unstable to be allowed to vote.

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  190. @ANON
    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn't? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

    How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

    The Brown SCOTUS pretty much called the Plessy SCOTUS dunderheads.

    (About Plessy, that is. We’re still waiting to hear any SCOTUS question the same Court’s Wong.)

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  191. Racist much? There has been many mass murders in Africa, Asia, South and Central America and communist countries. Muslims and Jews guilty too. Jewish money is responsible for most wars. War is very profitable. Terrorism is meant to end freedom and liberty. The inner cities are loaded with unsolved murders by human animals. Point is we are all animals.

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  192. Ju Ahn says:

    I agree that main stream media’s portrayal of white conservative gun-owners as main perpetrators of gun related crimes is totally unjustified. However, in case of assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons, one could make a case that these weapons make mass murderers much more effective killers. So, if they were to use a handgun or a knife, they would have perhaps killed 5 or 10. But with assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons these same crooked people could murder 50+ people. However, with many guns already being out on the loose, and our government’s inability to enforce even enforceable laws such as border control and drug problems, I agree with the points some of the commentators have made that government may not be able to effective enforce gun control laws even if such laws were to be enacted by the Congress.

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  193. Heather says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime (and suicide) by proper character checks, limits - with few exceptions - on the number of guns owned, stringent and enforced requirements for safe keeping of guns, rigorous training requirements for any under 21 year old who wants a license to own or use.....?

    Two problems:

    1. Why do this? Violence of all sorts, including gun violence, has dropped by over 50% in the past 25 years, while the number of guns in private hands has roughly DOUBLED, and it has become much easier for the law-abiding to legally go about their lives while armed.

    2. Almost all crime guns are illegally acquired, according to the FBI. Making it more difficult for the law-abiding to arm themselves will have no effect on crime.

    Such proposals are merely punishing the law-abiding for the actions of criminals. They save no lives and prevent no crimes. Some, like “lock up your safety” laws have been proven to cost lives. And, of course, requiring a license to exercise an inalienable right is just wrong, not to mention unconstitutional

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    See #94. A license system enables some sort of track of numbers of firearms, what they are and where they are. Surely a good thing rather than bad. And I would be surprised if you were pleased to know that your neighbour's unstable and resentful son had ready access to firearms.
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  194. @James Forrestal
    "What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime"

    Stop right there. That's your entire problem -- a false embedded assumption; framing the issue in a deliberately distorted manner.

    Replace "gun" with "Negro" in that sentence (a more accurate characterization of the problem). Do the policy implications differ?

    To start with I should have made it clear that i recognise that not all gun deaths are crimes. Accidents are more common where there are more guns and successful suicide is most likely with guns. Otherwise I see your point because a recovery of the courage to do stop and frisks where police probably don’t even go would be a big part of it.

    However that should surely accompany the extra time for and fact of character checks, reducing the number of guns – not least the number of guns that have to be kept safely locked up and out of the hands of unstable members of the household.

    Would there be a constitutional problem about police doing an electronic frisk? Surely devices could be used which would allow police to form the opinion that there was a firearm in the close vicinity and contrive a reason for a search. Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.

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    Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.
     
    Hey Wizard, I've got the East German Stasi on the blower, direct from 1985 - the guy said he, I quote "could really use a guy like you"!

    Polish up that resume - it's gotta pay more than 20 asinine hoplophobic comments, right?

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  195. @Heather
    Two problems:

    1. Why do this? Violence of all sorts, including gun violence, has dropped by over 50% in the past 25 years, while the number of guns in private hands has roughly DOUBLED, and it has become much easier for the law-abiding to legally go about their lives while armed.

    2. Almost all crime guns are illegally acquired, according to the FBI. Making it more difficult for the law-abiding to arm themselves will have no effect on crime.

    Such proposals are merely punishing the law-abiding for the actions of criminals. They save no lives and prevent no crimes. Some, like "lock up your safety" laws have been proven to cost lives. And, of course, requiring a license to exercise an inalienable right is just wrong, not to mention unconstitutional

    See #94. A license system enables some sort of track of numbers of firearms, what they are and where they are. Surely a good thing rather than bad. And I would be surprised if you were pleased to know that your neighbour’s unstable and resentful son had ready access to firearms.

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  196. “See #94. A license system enables some sort of track of numbers of firearms, what they are and where they are. Surely a good thing rather than bad.”

    Right. Like when Chicago had a gun registration system and then they decided that owning an AR-15 was no longer legitimate and so your AR-15 was then declared verboten.

    The registered gun is the confiscated gun when TPTB decide it.

    That’s why so much effort is expended trying to convince women et al. that private firearms purchases aka “The Gun Show Loophole” are something to feared, that the ONLY legitimate firearms transfer is one where the government is involved. Once the government literally has your number, then your gun is ripe for confiscation.

    Congress passed a law preventing the expenditure of funds from being used to computerize the FFL Form 4473s from FFLS that went out of business, but that did not stop BATF computerizing such records in a quasi-gun registration system decades past.

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  197. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    LOL. 86% of white murder victims are killed by whites. The stats are roughly the same for every crime category.

    Although of course you are allowed your own feelings.

    I would bet every single penny I have that at least in proportionate terms, – probably even in absolute terms – blacks commit more crime and violence against whites then whites do against blacks.

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    On the micro level yes, on the macro level, no. But that is not what I wrote. I would make the same bet with every penny I have, and take out a loan of another $50,000 that whites commit more crime and violence against whites than blacks do against whites.
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  198. @Wizard of Oz
    To start with I should have made it clear that i recognise that not all gun deaths are crimes. Accidents are more common where there are more guns and successful suicide is most likely with guns. Otherwise I see your point because a recovery of the courage to do stop and frisks where police probably don't even go would be a big part of it.

    However that should surely accompany the extra time for and fact of character checks, reducing the number of guns - not least the number of guns that have to be kept safely locked up and out of the hands of unstable members of the household.

    Would there be a constitutional problem about police doing an electronic frisk? Surely devices could be used which would allow police to form the opinion that there was a firearm in the close vicinity and contrive a reason for a search. Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.

    Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.

    Hey Wizard, I’ve got the East German Stasi on the blower, direct from 1985 – the guy said he, I quote “could really use a guy like you”!

    Polish up that resume – it’s gotta pay more than 20 asinine hoplophobic comments, right?

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    That, as you probably didn't notice, was a response to how you deal with the gun problem as really a black problem.
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  199. @Achmed E. Newman

    Extending imagined encounters I wonder about being able to demand that anyone carrying a firearm must be able to produce a license on demand.
     
    Hey Wizard, I've got the East German Stasi on the blower, direct from 1985 - the guy said he, I quote "could really use a guy like you"!

    Polish up that resume - it's gotta pay more than 20 asinine hoplophobic comments, right?

    That, as you probably didn’t notice, was a response to how you deal with the gun problem as really a black problem.

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    I'd read Mr. Forrestal's comment back a few weeks ago, but your comment just today does not particularly differentiate between how blacks and others should be treated under the law. We all know who is the problem. To turn the US into even more of a Police State than it is will not be a solution even disregarding the fact that many Americans still remember freedom and want it back. There can be plenty of violence in a Police State too.

    It's a black violence problem, one that (we're kinda going back around the circle here) does not particularly have to involve guns. Does the government take away people's knives next? Then, it's gonna have to be motor vehicles. Should we turn the place into a kindergarten? The blacks maiming and killing each other doesn't bother many, but there are still plenty of decent black people (and white people stuck in the hood) who would be very defenseless, were we to listen to your advice.

    I don't know why you are sticking to your story that killing oneself with a gun is the easiest way. People know about guns, and people know about pills. Which is easier? - Show of hands.
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  200. @Wizard of Oz
    That, as you probably didn't notice, was a response to how you deal with the gun problem as really a black problem.

    I’d read Mr. Forrestal’s comment back a few weeks ago, but your comment just today does not particularly differentiate between how blacks and others should be treated under the law. We all know who is the problem. To turn the US into even more of a Police State than it is will not be a solution even disregarding the fact that many Americans still remember freedom and want it back. There can be plenty of violence in a Police State too.

    It’s a black violence problem, one that (we’re kinda going back around the circle here) does not particularly have to involve guns. Does the government take away people’s knives next? Then, it’s gonna have to be motor vehicles. Should we turn the place into a kindergarten? The blacks maiming and killing each other doesn’t bother many, but there are still plenty of decent black people (and white people stuck in the hood) who would be very defenseless, were we to listen to your advice.

    I don’t know why you are sticking to your story that killing oneself with a gun is the easiest way. People know about guns, and people know about pills. Which is easier? – Show of hands.

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    I don't know that it matters much but getting right number of sleeping pills and taking them when and where no one will find the dying person and save him/her has a lower strike rate than putting one bullet into the brain or heart.

    As to knives of the kind used for killing people I have never wanted to carry one (apart from the odd carving knife or machete in the car in the country) so don't know the law but I think most countries, and I would guess many US states, have laws against carrying offensive weapons. Frisking young men for them in black ghettos might be a start on cutting the death rate.
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  201. EliteCommInc. burped: “hispanics are white and are counted as white among nearly all survey data sets”

    WRONG. Hispanics are mixed-blood non-whites. How dare YOU utter such b.s.? The fact that they are counted as “white” is a travesty and outrage.

    and

    “But let’s play fair — hispanic and asians are whites”

    You’re out of your f*cking mind.

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  202. @anonymous
    Homicide by white racist filth should also include the mass murder they perpetuate all around the world. Because, contrary to the white racist filth thought process, even "shitholers" are very much humans.

    But ironically, because the white racist filth consider many as sub-human, and mass murder with impunity, they are the ones who have mutated into animals... essentially, non-humans.

    anonymous[243] p.o.s. puked: “Homicide by white racist filth”

    F-you, you bigoted, anti-white, non-white racist filth. Homicide by “white racist filth” is dwarfed by black and Hispanic racist filth.

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  203. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'd read Mr. Forrestal's comment back a few weeks ago, but your comment just today does not particularly differentiate between how blacks and others should be treated under the law. We all know who is the problem. To turn the US into even more of a Police State than it is will not be a solution even disregarding the fact that many Americans still remember freedom and want it back. There can be plenty of violence in a Police State too.

    It's a black violence problem, one that (we're kinda going back around the circle here) does not particularly have to involve guns. Does the government take away people's knives next? Then, it's gonna have to be motor vehicles. Should we turn the place into a kindergarten? The blacks maiming and killing each other doesn't bother many, but there are still plenty of decent black people (and white people stuck in the hood) who would be very defenseless, were we to listen to your advice.

    I don't know why you are sticking to your story that killing oneself with a gun is the easiest way. People know about guns, and people know about pills. Which is easier? - Show of hands.

    I don’t know that it matters much but getting right number of sleeping pills and taking them when and where no one will find the dying person and save him/her has a lower strike rate than putting one bullet into the brain or heart.

    As to knives of the kind used for killing people I have never wanted to carry one (apart from the odd carving knife or machete in the car in the country) so don’t know the law but I think most countries, and I would guess many US states, have laws against carrying offensive weapons. Frisking young men for them in black ghettos might be a start on cutting the death rate.

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    I don’t know that it matters much but getting right number of sleeping pills and taking them when and where no one will find the dying person and save him/her has a lower strike rate than putting one bullet into the brain or heart.
     
    1) Have you ever tried to aim for your own heart or brain? Keep in mind that you may be under a little duress. Which portion of the brain would one go for, anyway?

    2) It's called "an attic" or "a crawl space" or "the garage" or "your car at a beautiful look-out spot" or "wait until the family is on a trip".

    I'm sure there are plenty of women that take the pills for attention - that's not to say they are in a good mental state, but they don't really want to die - otherwise they could just up the dosage. In statistics, one would have to control for those factors. Neither of us are statisticians, Wizard, but my common sense tells me pills are a more painless, a cleaner, and an easier-to-arrange way for someone to kill himself.

    Suicide is Painless. This one is the whole song with the voice.
    I always liked the tune. I'm not sure about the lyrics, but as Peak Stupidity has maintained, lyrics don't really matter, if you've got a good sound and melody.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

    BTW, WoO, this is IN NO WAY an endorsement of the TV show M*A*S*H starring the Cuck of all Cucks, Mr. Allan Alda. The movie is loads better with lots more realistic characters.
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  204. Frisking young men for them in black ghettos might be a start on cutting the death rate.

    That’s a start. Next, it’ll be frisking everyone for fairness. Then it’ll be going through the lists of “instant,-but-we-kept-the-data” background checks to find people who voted wrongly, or spent money using a CC on stuff that’s not “safe” or the kind of stuff normal people buy. They shouldn’t have weapons. Some are obviously half-mental for voting for whom they did and writing comments on unz.com, or visiting (our author’s) Stuff Black People Don’t Like. Take theirs too.

    I am amazed that a guy that can write very decently has no knowledge of history and no concept of how totalitarianism escalates. It’s not like this hasn’t happened before, and your country is one of many examples (re: the guns). Did you read John Derbyshire’s 2nd-to-latest column on formerly-Great formerly Britain? It’s becoming totalitarian hell right in front of us on the internet.

    Open your eyes, man!

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  205. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know that it matters much but getting right number of sleeping pills and taking them when and where no one will find the dying person and save him/her has a lower strike rate than putting one bullet into the brain or heart.

    As to knives of the kind used for killing people I have never wanted to carry one (apart from the odd carving knife or machete in the car in the country) so don't know the law but I think most countries, and I would guess many US states, have laws against carrying offensive weapons. Frisking young men for them in black ghettos might be a start on cutting the death rate.

    I don’t know that it matters much but getting right number of sleeping pills and taking them when and where no one will find the dying person and save him/her has a lower strike rate than putting one bullet into the brain or heart.

    1) Have you ever tried to aim for your own heart or brain? Keep in mind that you may be under a little duress. Which portion of the brain would one go for, anyway?

    2) It’s called “an attic” or “a crawl space” or “the garage” or “your car at a beautiful look-out spot” or “wait until the family is on a trip”.

    I’m sure there are plenty of women that take the pills for attention – that’s not to say they are in a good mental state, but they don’t really want to die – otherwise they could just up the dosage. In statistics, one would have to control for those factors. Neither of us are statisticians, Wizard, but my common sense tells me pills are a more painless, a cleaner, and an easier-to-arrange way for someone to kill himself.

    Suicide is Painless. This one is the whole song with the voice.
    I always liked the tune. I’m not sure about the lyrics, but as Peak Stupidity has maintained, lyrics don’t really matter, if you’ve got a good sound and melody.

    BTW, WoO, this is IN NO WAY an endorsement of the TV show M*A*S*H starring the Cuck of all Cucks, Mr. Allan Alda. The movie is loads better with lots more realistic characters.

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  206. Truth says:
    @anon
    I would bet every single penny I have that at least in proportionate terms, - probably even in absolute terms - blacks commit more crime and violence against whites then whites do against blacks.

    On the micro level yes, on the macro level, no. But that is not what I wrote. I would make the same bet with every penny I have, and take out a loan of another $50,000 that whites commit more crime and violence against whites than blacks do against whites.

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  207. Nappyman says:

    Us darkies are bad people(oops… we are not fully human) can you see what a problem we are for
    America.Not only do kill each other we also kill white people at alarming rates. That is why 42% of gun owners are white and only 19 % are black.Got to protect those White ladies and children from blacks.
    Considering our badness my Question is this: How come we don’t blow up federal buildings,burn down or blow up churches ,shoot up schools,commit mass murder at night clubs,concerts and the like We be too dumb.

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    "We be too dumb."

    Whites and Asian nut cases will in many cases have a plan. The Virginia Tech Korean dude brought a chain to trap students behind doors. But that does not mean all Black nut cases DON'T have a plan. The Malvo snipers certainly had a plan in shooting from a snipers nest located in the trunk of an automobile. The Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 was downed by David Burke using a .44 Mag killing 43 people; that was planned. Mass murder at night clubs? Blacks shooting up clubs seems to be SOP in the USA.
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  208. @Nappyman
    Us darkies are bad people(oops... we are not fully human) can you see what a problem we are for
    America.Not only do kill each other we also kill white people at alarming rates. That is why 42% of gun owners are white and only 19 % are black.Got to protect those White ladies and children from blacks.
    Considering our badness my Question is this: How come we don't blow up federal buildings,burn down or blow up churches ,shoot up schools,commit mass murder at night clubs,concerts and the like We be too dumb.

    “We be too dumb.”

    Whites and Asian nut cases will in many cases have a plan. The Virginia Tech Korean dude brought a chain to trap students behind doors. But that does not mean all Black nut cases DON’T have a plan. The Malvo snipers certainly had a plan in shooting from a snipers nest located in the trunk of an automobile. The Pacific Southwest Airlines Flight 1771 was downed by David Burke using a .44 Mag killing 43 people; that was planned. Mass murder at night clubs? Blacks shooting up clubs seems to be SOP in the USA.

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