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If the fraudulent 2020 elections have taught us anything, it’s that if you want to find what a country’s elites are most threatened by, look for what they are trying to suppress.

A four-part FOX News report from December 2001 recently resurfaced on YouTube, garnering millions of views. And then, suddenly, it was purged. You can still find it on Bitchute, Rumble, and Odysee — but not so easily on YouTube anymore. As one can guess, the subject is a touchy one for our nation’s Jewish elite: Israel’s role not only in spying on the United States prior to 9/11, but also in the obstruction of subsequent investigations.

Perhaps high-ranking people in Mossad knew the terror attacks were imminent and did not give their American ally sufficient warning. The report, presented by Carl Cameron, relied greatly on US intelligence officials and other unnamed government sources who were unhappy with the way the investigations were going in the wake of the deadly attacks — and all the fingers of frustration were pointing at Israel.

One can see how the US-Israeli apple carts could tumble like dominos if this information ever went mainstream, hence its suppression. I have transcribed the video here, in case it ever gets purged again.

To summarize:

PART 1: KEEPING SECRETS

Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, more than 60 Israelis were arrested or detained either under anti-terrorism laws or for immigration violations. Some were active Israeli military, and some failed polygraph tests when asked about Israeli surveillance against the United States. US intelligence personnel suspected that these detainees knew more about 9/11 than they were sharing. But when FOX News asked “a highly-placed investigator” for evidence that linked Israel to 9/11, they were told that such information was classified. Still, FOX managed to get their hands on enough classified information to start connecting the dots.

Prior to the attacks, some 140 Israelis had been arrested for espionage across the country. In many cases they had been spying on Arabs — who, of course, were likely up to no good as well. But investigators also concluded that these Israelis were engaging in an “organized intelligence-gathering activity” on a level higher than just Middle East intrigue. Often using mall kiosks as fronts, these Israelis allegedly interacted with US government personnel and infiltrated military bases, the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), the FBI, and other government facilities. Back in Israel, the majority of them had “served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept, and/or explosive ordinance units.”

One investigation reported that Israel “conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the US of any US ally.” Another reported that Israel sought information voraciously and was “motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies.” The United States, the report stated, “is a high priority target.”

Of course, the Israeli embassy denied all of this. The following exchange between Cameron and Brit Hume is quite telling:

HUME: Carl, what about this question of advance knowledge of what was gonna happen on 9/11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CAMERON: Well, it’s very explosive information, obviously, and there’s a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected, none of it necessarily conclusive. It’s more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have known?

How could they not have known?

Later in the report, both Hume and Cameron admit that Mossad agents had reached out to US officials before 9/11 to warn them of the attack. But Cameron states that the warning was too vague and general to be useful, and he suspected that Mossad had worded their warning in such a way to protect their intelligence “sources and methods” in the United States.

PARTS 2 & 3: IMPEDING THE INVESTIGATION

US investigators were beginning to realize that certain Israeli espionage suspects were keeping a step ahead of them through data leaks from an Israeli telecommunications company called Amdocs Limited. Back in 2001 Amdocs had contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and it would have been nearly impossible for anyone in the country to make a phone call and for Amdocs not to have a record of it. Perhaps not coincidentally, Amdocs had also employed six of the 60 Israelis who ended up being detained after 9/11.

Another Israeli company, Comverse Infosys, may have also interfered with US wiretapping efforts. The company provided wiretapping equipment for law enforcement, and thanks to Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) was able to maintain access to the computers collecting the wiretapping information — supposedly so they could service them. This, according to senior government officials, rendered the entire wiretapping system seriously vulnerable.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller had been warned in person by 15 local and state law enforcement officials who claimed that, thanks to this vulnerability, CALEA had actually made electronic surveillance less effective.

The concern was that the programs developed by Comverse had a back door “through which wiretaps themselves can be intercepted by unauthorized parties.” Making matters even more suspicious, Comverse worked closely with the Israeli government, and at times got reimbursed for up to 50% of its research and development costs by the Israeli Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Cameron reports:

And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counter-terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and surveil immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place.

The FBI had been aware of the suspicions surrounding Comverse, but whenever agents tried to investigate, their efforts were halted by their superiors. People from the DEA, Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), and FBI had all told FOX News that “to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Comverse is considered career suicide.”

Predictably, both Amdocs and Comverse insisted that their data and operations were secure.

PART 4: THE PRECEDENT AND THE DODGE

In Los Angeles in 1997, a major drug sting was stymied when the suspects, who were linked to Israeli organized crime, had obtained beeper numbers, cell phone numbers, and in some cases the home phone numbers of the police. They were, in effect, surveilling the surveillers. Those whom the police managed to arrest admitted to possessing hundreds of these numbers and had used them to avoid capture.

Investigators suspected both Amdocs and Comverse at the time, but when they came back to these companies after 9/11, they were thwarted by people in their own agencies where vicious turf wars were apparently being waged over it. When asked about potential Israeli spying and the suspected link between these companies and the 9/11 investigation, the Bush administration “treated the questions like hot potatoes,” according to Cameron, and punted them all to the Department of Justice.

Cameron ends his report by describing the “pandemonium” at the FBI, the DEA, and the INS as agents struggled with their compromised investigations while avoiding the political pitfalls of “the explosive nature and very political ramifications of the story itself.”

***

9/11 Trutherism has always seemed to me more like a White Nationalist side project than part of its central platform. Important, yes, and a great example of the dangers of multiracialism — especially when it involves Jews. But it is certainly not the only reason why we think what we think and do what we do. In those circles one finds a mix of American patriots, conspiracy theorists, outspoken engineers, still-grieving family members, and anti-Zionists who are willing to keep diving into this fascinating rabbit hole for that proverbial pot of gold. This, of course, remains entirely worthwhile over 20 years after the fact — more so than the endless Kennedy assassination investigations, in my opinion. Other than the Summer of Floyd and the stolen 2020 presidential election, 9/11 was the most profound history-altering event since the fall of the Soviet Union. Thus, we should of course be grateful that there are still many people trying to get to the bottom of it.

Even at their most controversial, however, the FOX News reports do not implicate Israel as a culprit in the attacks. Instead, the worst they suggest is that prior to 9/11, Israel had been spying on suspected Arab terrorists in the United States as well as on targets within the US government itself. Further, Israelis, or people acting in Israel’s interests, impeded the subsequent terrorism investigations through sophisticated espionage techniques, or by making it “career suicide” for US intelligence officers to fully perform these investigations to begin with.

This is not to say that Israel was not one of the culprits behind the 9/11 attacks, or that 9/11 wasn’t in any way an inside job. Either or both of these possibilities could very well have been the case. This is also not letting Al Qaeda or Muslim extremists off the hook. Yet, questions remain. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth maintains that the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings resembled more of a controlled demolition than a collapse due to plane impacts. There are likewise many other anomalies that challenge the official narrative of the attacks, such as molten metal appearing in the wreckage and the complete loss of the planes’ black boxes. How can the official narrative explain all this?

As for possible Israeli — or more accurately, Mossad — culpability, Laurent Guyénot is an excellent source. He offers the famous case of the “dancing Israelis,” who were disguised as Arabs and who were clearly celebrating the attacks as they were happening. They seemed to know exactly where and when the planes were going to strike beforehand. They also failed lie detector tests in prison. (These five men were among the 60 Israelis detained after 9/11 mentioned above.) Even more baffling is the FBI’s sudden lack of interest in these men a mere two weeks after the attacks. They were all let go after 71 days.

Moreover, there are strange connections that beggar explanation, such as the presence of 30 of the 140 Israelis who had been detained prior to 9/11 in the town of Hollywood, Florida, where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers had also been staying. There’s also Ali al-Jarrah, the cousin of one of the 9/11 hijackers, who spent 25 years as a Mossad spy.

The circumstantial evidence just keeps piling up in favor of the Jews, and never the other way around. Guyénot reports the following:

  • Wealthy Zionist — and George W. Bush financier — Maurice Greenberg, who owned the firm that was in charge of the World Trade Center’s security, was also one of the Twin Towers insurers — except that on July 24, 2001, he had the contract reinsured by competitors. What a coincidence.
  • In spring 2001, real estate mogul Larry Silverstein leased the Twin Towers, which needed to be decontaminated for asbestos — a billion-dollar job, at the very least. He immediately renegotiated the buildings’ insurance to cover terrorist attacks, doubling their coverage. After 9/11, Silverstein, who had close ties to Benjamin Netanyahu, pocketed $4.5 billion. What a coincidence.
  • On the morning of 9/11, rather than having breakfast at the North Tower as he always did, Silverstein just happened to be seeing his dermatologist. What a coincidence.
  • The planes that crashed into the towers took off from Boston’s Logan Airport, which subcontracted its security to an Israeli firm — the same firm responsible for security at the Newark Airport, from where the flight that crashed in Shanksville had taken off. What a coincidence.
  • The American branch of the Israeli shipping company Zim Israel Navigational moved its offices out of the World Trade Center one week before the attacks. What a coincidence.
  • I don’t even know what to make of this one: Two hours before the first plane hit, some employees at the World Trade Center received instant messages from an Israeli company called Odigo which announced “almost to the minute” the time of the first strike. What a coincidence.
  • The head of the Department of Justice’s Criminal Division, who released the Israelis arrested before and after 9/11, including the “dancing Israelis,” was Michael Chertoff — a Jew. What a coincidence.
  • One of the biggest mysteries of the day was the $3.4 trillion that had disappeared from the Department of Defense in 1999 and 2000 (under the watch of Bill Clinton’s Defense Secretary William Cohen, a Jew). On the morning of September 11, 2001, financial analysts at Resource Services Washington were working on locating this money — until Flight AA77 slammed directly into their Pentagon offices and killed them all. What a coincidence.

The case for Mossad’s 9/11 culpability is, of course, highly compelling — but compelling in the way that Graham Hancock is compelling. That is, the case is short on direct evidence and rich with questions that are either unanswered, unanswerable, or unconvincingly answered by the prevailing narrative. And any censorship or suppression of information only lends more urgency to the questions themselves. If the prevailing narrative was true, why do its proponents make information so hard to find and smear opposing voices as crackpots? Why do Carl Cameron’s FOX News segments get purged from YouTube? And why do Jews keep popping up at the crucial junctures of the 9/11 narrative when official sources deny Jewish blame for anything? Such inconsistencies do little to instill confidence, and in the wake of the resulting skepticism, competing theories begin to thrive.

Some theories are better than others, of course, and I will leave it to the reader to do his own research and come to his own conclusions. But one thing we can say for certain is that, through their suppression of information, both the United States and the Israeli governments are not being honest about what happened on September 11, 2001. Perhaps that’s because these two entities are effectively one and the same.

Visit Spencer Quinn’s writer page at Counter-Currents: https://counter-currents.com/author/squinn/

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  1. Not telling most UR readers what they don’t know already. Leave this stuff to M Guyenot, Mr Quinn.

  2. I would argue that 9/11 was the first secret use of military drone technology. The planes command were likely disabled, planes were controlled remotely and crashed into buildings. Pilots were unable to regain control of the planes. What has happened to flight recorders ? Have they ever been recovered? This is no longer conspiracy theory.

  3. Trinity says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Disagree, there are always those who happen upon various websites. ALL people the world over, not just Americans, need to know about the:

    5 Dancing Shlomos

  4. Princeone says:

    Unfortunately, 9/11 was another Pearl Harbor, inflaming passion and setting the stage for war in the Middle East. It is the same ole story, Americans used to do Isreal’s dirty work.

    • Agree: Ummmpph!
    • Replies: @Shamu
    , @GW
  5. Mr. Anon says:

    Yet, questions remain. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth maintains that the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings resembled more of a controlled demolition than a collapse due to plane impacts.

    As Ryan Dawson pointed out, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth didn’t even understand the architecture of the Pentagon. I don’t know why people say that the destruction of WTC 1 and 2 looked like controlled demolitions. They didn’t look like that at all. The collapse of WTC 7 did look like a controlled demolition – I’ll give you that. But that is all beside the point. Buildings that weaken and fail fall straight down because that’s the way that the gravitational force points. Buildings are not trees.

    For those interested, I suggest checking out the work of Ryan Dawson at Anti-Neocon Report. He has done some excellent work on what he calls “9/11 Truth for Grownups”. He’s made a couple of documentaries on the topic “War by Deception” and “The Empire Unmasked”. He has amassed a great deal of information, some of which you may have heard but forgot, some of which you probably never heard before.

    James Corbett at The Corbett Report has also done some great work on 9/11. In particular his documentary on the US Government’s 9/11 Commission Investigation is very good.

    And , yes, the official 9/11 narrative is a lie. There was a wider conspiracy behind 9/11, as Mr. Quinn surmises.

  6. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Buildings that weaken and fail fall straight down because that’s the way that the gravitational force points.

    But they don’t fall at free fall speed unless a controlled demolition has taken out simultaneously the support structures below.

    And if the Jewish bastards blew WTC 7, which for sure they did, they blew them all.

    The ARABS did not have access to these buildings to wire them for controlled demolition. Our Jewish friends did–they owned the buildings and controlled the security!

    The fact that on 9/11 the buildings collapsed due to controlled demolition points the finger directly at the usual suspects.

  7. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Buildings that weaken and fail fall straight down because that’s the way that the gravitational force points. Buildings are not trees.

    And yet it is a very simple point to understand.

    Any such high-rise buildings cannot collapse at free fall/ quasi free fall, unless a significant number of its lower floors have suddenly, symmetrically and simultaneously collapsed, removing in a perfectly timed and orderly fashion the support that bears the upper floors.

    High structures are designed so the lower parts incrementally support everything above it. It is obvious in old structures such as the Eiffel Tower for instance, largest at the base and increasingly narrow going up to the top. The Eiffel Tower is a visual illustration of this universal civil engineering principle.

    But in modern structures, this design feature is hidden, because it is performed by playing on the sizing of the steel structure, which is not visible to the viewer.

    Falling at free fall means that all the significant lower supporting, dozens of columns, was removed in a planned and synchronised fashion, at the same time. This is the definition of controlled demolition.

    • Replies: @One Nobody
  8. Mr. Anon says:
    @lavoisier

    But they don’t fall at free fall speed unless a controlled demolition has taken out simultaneously the support structures below.

    That “free fall speed” nonsense is based on analysis of grainy youtube videos.

    Show me one controlled demolition that looks like WTCs 1 and 2, with the outer layers of the building peeling outward like a banana as the core collapses.

    Truthers are always going to be irrelevant as long as they harp on their stupid “controlled demolition” schtick. Dawson emphasizes this point – the Truth movement got sidetracked arguing (ignorantly for the most part) about physics. Who cares. Follow the people who were involved.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Disagree: lavoisier
  9. lavoisier says: • Website

    The collapse of WTC 7 did look like a controlled demolition – I’ll give you that. But that is all beside the point.

    THAT IS THE POINT. It is the foundation on which the questioning of the official story of 911 rests.

    And if WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, the other buildings fell in this manner too.

    The official explanation that fires caused by airplane crashes brought down these buildings is nonsense.

    You cannot even begin to question who did the crime without first understanding how the crime was done. It is this understanding that turns the focus away from just Islamic terrorists.

    • Agree: Liosnagcat
  10. @Mr. Anon

    I agree with Mr. Anon. As suspicious as the collapse was, Occam’s razor says, “Why go through the extra trouble, expense, and risk of detection when it wasn’t necessary?” Even if the planes had missed the towers entirely, it would have angered the American people enough to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, both totally innocent and uninvolved (Bin Laden, too. After he died in 2022 he was portrayed by an actor.)
    The more productive line of questioning would be “who knew?” and “who benefited?” These questions point to Israel so the Truthers stick to their nonsense about nano-thermite.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  11. @lavoisier

    I disagree. Building 7 is important but not critical to uncovering the conspiracy.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Disagree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  12. Mr. Anon says:
    @lavoisier

    And if WTC 7 was a controlled demolition, the other buildings fell in this manner too.

    No, that does not follow. And if they fell from the same cause, why did they look so different?

    The more important point is…………..why is it so important to you? Why is it so important to so many people how a crime was committed – even to the point of reading people out of their movement if they disagree – rather than who committed it.

    Truthers have spent the last 20 years arguing about physics. Well? Where has that gotten you? Have you gotten any action from that? A sweeping congressional investigation? A landmark court case? A major Hollywood movie exposing the plot? A majority of the American public agreeing with you? No. Truthers have achieved exactly nothing.

    Or look at it another way. You can watch the 9/11 truther film Loose Change on YouTube. Go to YouTube, type in “loose change 911” and it pops right up, top of the list. Type in “ryan dawson 911” and you get nothing. He’s banned from YouTube. You can spend hours on YouTube watching videos by Judy Wood (directed energy weapons) or about anything to do with nanothermite, or a missile hitting the Pentagon, or any of the other Truther obsessions.

    Serious discussions about 911 are banned from prominent websites. Crazy, ridiculous theories are thick as crabgrass on those same sites. Ask yourself why that would be.

    • Agree: Happy Tapir
  13. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Fidelios Automata

    Truthers as you refer to them are the reason there is doubt about the official narrative. No way anyone would be going down this rabbit hole based on the dancing Israelis or the attack on Iraq.

    I disagree that the narrative would ever have been questioned simply on the basis of asking who benefited from the attack on 911.

    Watching WTC 7 fall is the smoking gun. Without this the narrative would continue to stand strong.

    As it is now, the narrative is as shaky as the world trade center towers were on 911.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @JM
  14. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And I would add, does this look like any controlled demolition you’ve ever seen?

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  15. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    You make some very important points that I agree with. Outlandish theories are put out there to discredit the truther movement. This is an interesting subject that I think RU addressed as well.

    For me watching WTC7 fall down was like a flash of light. Subsequent scientific and engineering inquiries thoughtfully presented by professionals convinced me that the narrative was false.

    I do not doubt that there is an attempt to discredit the truther movement positing absurd theories.

    But that WTC7 was a controlled demolition is as obvious to me as is the idea that Earth revolves around the Sun.

    That understanding, in turn, leads me to want to know who did it.

    • Thanks: Irish Savant
  16. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The more important point is…………..why is it so important to you? Why is it so important to so many people how a crime was committed

    It is important, the SCIENCE is important, because it is based on an array of facts and universal knowledge that are outside yours, mine and anybody’s opinion or judgement. Hard science is universal and undeniable.

    And you are beating around the (wrong) bush and wasting your time: science has already proven without any possible contestation that WTC7 came down by controlled demolition.

    This was the conclusion of the University of Alaska WTC7 civil engineering study completed in 2019.
    So the subject is moot: science has proven that the “conspiracy theorists” were right, not NIST.
    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    Finally, if WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition, then so were the Twin Towers.
    WTC7 proves that there exists of a REAL-LIFE demolition method* capable of bringing down a steel-framed high rise building in seconds. Since this method exists, it could and was applied onto the Twin Towers.

    *Hint: it is an old obsolete technique that was very, very, very popular in the 1960’s, called underground nuclear detonation.
    Hundreds of such detonations were executed in the past decades by France, the USA, the USSR.
    The WTC demolition was just a replica of the Sedan detonation, part of Project Plowshare, executed in the Nevada Desert.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedan_(nuclear_test)#:~:text=Sedan%20%28nuclear%20test%29%20Storax%20Sedan%20was%20a%20shallow,for%20mining%2C%20cratering%2C%20and%20other%20civilian%20purposes.%20
    sedan - Operation Plowshare - 07061962

    We all pretend not to know what was happening in the 1970’s because we are lobotomised morons, too afraid to speak the truth.

    The WTC came down by underground nuclear detonations, with Mossad opportunistically and single-handedly using a pre-existing installation, and shredding alive 3000 innocent people in the process.

    • Agree: One Nobody, Durruti
    • LOL: Ace
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  17. Mr. Anon says:
    @Iris

    *Hint: it is an old obsolete technique that was very, very, very popular in the 1960’s, called underground nuclear detonation.

    That’s ludicrous. As I said, it is people like you who are responsible for “Trutherism” having become an irrelevant ghetto of people screaming nonsense at one another.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  18. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That’s ludicrous.

    Why? Just because YOU don’t understand it?

    It is perfectly realistic and true: they are dozens of open source official government documents available for free on the Internet, describing the technique of underground nuclear detonations, which phenomenology entirely match what happened at the WTC.

    it is people like you who are responsible for “Trutherism” having become an irrelevant ghetto of people screaming nonsense at one another.

    You have this very simple thing wrong, too.

    The “official” Truth movement, that is, leading organisations like A&E9/11Truth, do NOT support the nuclear demolition hypothesis.

    They are extremely careful just to ask questions, but to never provide answers, as a way to maintain the largest possible public consensus. Still, their extremely precise, high-quality SCIENTIFIC findings, such as the UAF WTC7 study, are ENTIRELY IGNORED by the media and government.

    So the reason the Truth movement has failed in America is NOT for lack of informed and rational Truthers, but because the cover-up is too powerful, too implacable and too comprehensive. There is no way to progress an issue which is never allowed to be discussed.

    Since 9/11 was a nuclear Holocaust committed by Mossad against the American civilian population, it qualifies as one most abject crime against humanity to have ever been committed. No surprise there, that they have all their guard dogs out to cover it up.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Irina
  19. Mr. Anon says:
    @Iris

    Why? Just because YOU don’t understand it?

    It is perfectly realistic and true: they are dozens of open source official government documents available for free on the Internet, describing the technique of underground nuclear detonations, which phenomenology entirely match what happened at the WTC.

    I understand nuclear explosions just fine. Better than you, I’d wager.

    Underground nuclear explosions were done as tests, to test bunker busting techniques or simply to conceal them from adversaries.

    What evidence do you have for your contention?

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Olivier1973
  20. Did you know two planes hit and 3 buildings collapsed in their footprints. WTC1, WTC2 & WTC7?
    What type of energy was used to pulverize 212,500 cubic yards of concrete in each building? While not including Steel.
    Why was a private security company called ICTS, owned by an Israeli, Ezra Harel, and registered in the Netherlands, was employed at all four locations from which the hijackers boarded.
    Those are ignored questions by our Israeli Occupied Congress, where members sign pledges od allegiance to Israel, even before they take the oath of office.

  21. @Iris

    Iris… Let us get our definitions correctly.
    Controlled Demolition is the Engineering Design required to collapse a building into its footprint.
    This is done by sequentially timing the removal of mostly VERTICAL supports or columns. This removal is done by shearing the Vertical support using explosive shape charges.
    The detonation of explosive charges are done in a pre-designed sequence. that follows the intended results. This involves, installing charges at every column, stringing wires from every column, floor to floor and testing the firing sequence.
    So when they day that WTC7 caught fire at 9am and was wired by and tested to be “pulled” around 5pm is a crock.

  22. I appreciate and thank Mr. Quinn especially for this major point: “One of the biggest mysteries of the day was the $3.4 trillion that had disappeared from the Department of Defense in 1999 and 2000 (under the watch of Bill Clinton’s Defense Secretary William Cohen, a Jew). On the morning of September 11, 2001, financial analysts at Resource Services Washington were working on locating this money — until Flight AA77 slammed directly into their Pentagon offices and killed them all. What a coincidence.”

    Was no ” coincidence,” and of course the late-Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, went public about the $3.4 trillion disappearance. Evidently, not having furthered the investigation’s indicates that the Zionist Rumsfeld was more concerned about losing his life than committing “career suicide.”

    In addition, no airplanes “slammed” into the Pentagon and the 3 WTC Towers.

    Lastly, am anxious to read more from the very intelligent commenters, Iris and ideally, Mike Fridelle, on the above deceptions. And perhaps, Laurent Guyenot.

  23. Zane says:

    There were no ” terror ” attacks on 911.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  24. Zane says:
    @Paul Smith

    No planes crashed into any buildings on 9-11.

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski
    • Disagree: mark green
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. The events of 9/11 were a false flag attack attributed to Arabs. The purpose was to strengthen authoritarian governance in the United States and to justify the murder of perceived enemies of Israel. Both objectives were achieved. The perpetrators were the governments of the United States and Israel.

    This is what happened with or without controlled demolitions.

    What have we learned from it?

    • Agree: Zane, OldWhiteMan
  26. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon… the science of nuclear demolition of buildings has existed since the early 1970. Do you have an education in physics, structural or Architectural engineering? I think not. So don’t allow yourself an absolute opinion based on nothing but ignorance.
    Now. as far as the Truth movement being hijacked and sapped of strength by organized peripheral arguments, you are quite correct.

    • Replies: @Ace
  27. Dumbo says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It would be really stupid to wire WTC for controlled demolition but leave the others to random chance. If one was wired, then all were wired. There are so many things wrong with the idea of planes bringing down buildings. First of all, this had never happened before. Many planes crashed on buildings but they never made them fall, especially not in this symmetrical manner. Then on 9/11 this happens not once, but twice, perfectly. It’s like the moon landings, perfect the first time.

    Honestly, I am leaning towards the “no planes” theory. Some footage looks like bad early 2000s CGI or pasting images. But even if there were real planes, it is extremely unlikely that they were the sole cause of the buildings falling. Why would they plan everything, then leave this most important aspect to random chance?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Zane
  28. Having just examined the neighboring “Sheila Jackson Lee” essay, my thoughts immediately turned to a potential coordinated attempt to tighten the screws on US citizens.

    I’ll have to keep an eye peeled to see if there are any other new proposals from DC to crack down on “hate speech” both on and off the internet tubes.

  29. Seems hard for Americans to accept they are living in a colony

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Shamu
  30. MarLuc7 says:

    This is what I find encouraging:

    Think Back to 2001. Some 22 Years Ago. Very few households even had internet. How sophisticated were Americans? How naïve were you to Conspiracy Theories??? How trusting of your Government were you?

    What did your cell phone look like in 2001?

    What was the resolution of your cellphone in 2001? .35 MP And Today?? 108 MP.

    1998 – Google Starts —-Users Now? >1 Billion
    2004 – Facebook —–User’s Now? 2.96 Billion
    2005 – YouTube ——-User’s Now? 2.6Billion
    2006 – Twitter———-57 Million Users
    2016 – TikTok —-Downloaded 210 Million Times in the United States.

    2022 Personal Internet Websites in 2022 = 133 Million

    YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Pinterest, Instagram, Personal Websites…..what does it all mean???

    It means the number of people that actually understand Video Editing today versus back in 2001 is ASTOUNDING.

    What it means is that the murdering bastards that pulled off 9/11 by selling this idiot film to the American population would have been immediately exposed as criminals if they tried this shit in 2023.

    What a damn joke of a film. How incredibly stupid and gullible we were:

    What is encouraging to me is the American people are much much more sophisticated now. Millions of videos are posted to Facebook, Youtube, Instagram, TikTok and Twitter EVERY DAY. And the designers of these videos are using software video editing tools —tools once only available to the Military, Hollywood or Media Agencies are now available to everyone.

    The Perps will be hard pressed to sell their HORSESHIT EVER AGAIN.

  31. Biff says:

    Saw it all twenty years ago. All three Buildings were obviously demo-ed to the ground by explosives installed by experts who had security clearances.

    • Agree: Iris
  32. This post is to “Mr. Anon” especially, and to all others. First of all, I am not a physicist, an architect or a person with a college degree. I am a 71-year-old retired industrial electrician, who has done a LOT of studying about the events of September 11, 2001. I could easily come up with 50 reasons as to why the OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY THEORY is incorrect, but I will list only a few. And if anyone can show that any of these facts are in error, please do so.

    Before 9/11 and since then, there have been ZERO instances of skyscrapers having collapsed due to fire alone. One can find documentation of many instances in which fires burned far longer and far hotter than what occurred on 9/11. There are videos available, which show the truly massive amounts of steel that went into the construction of the framework of the twin towers. One of the architects who actually helped design the buildings was ON CAMERA, as stating that the buildings probably could have withstood impacts of MULTIPLE jet aircraft and remain standing.

    One can clearly see in many of the videos of the “collapse” of the twin towers that they did not “collapse” – they exploded while coming down and the concrete, furnishings & human bodies were completely pulverized in the process. Many first-hand witnesses commented on the lack of debris that resulted after the “collapse.” There were fires burning under the debris, which were extremely hot, “burning” at temperatures that could NOT have been obtained from the combustion of jet fuel (kerosene) or office furnishings, which COULD NOT BE EXTINGUISHED.

    There is a group of lawyers (The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry) who cannot obtain legal standing in ANY court, much as they have tried. Why have they not been successful in their pursuit of truth and justice? For the simple reason that JUDGES DO NOT WANT TO DIE.

    Not to belittle anyone, but what good does it do to understand how the buildings came down or who was responsible for this heinous crime, when there has never been, and never will be, an impartial investigation, complete with SUBPOENA POWERS? After I had first came to the realization of the actual events of 9/11, I became a volunteer with Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Ttruth, doing what little I could for that organization. But after I found out that they had contacted EVERY U.S. Senator and Representative and that no one would touch the subject, I asked myself why I was a part of this organization, “banging my head against a brick wall?” So, I politely bowed out of their organization, NOT because I did not believe in their cause.

    Being a somewhat “elderly person,” I doubt very much that I will ever see a REAL INVESTIGATION of the events of September 11, 2001. As the saying goes, “It’s very difficult to know something, when your livelihood (or your LIFE) depends upon you NOT knowing it.”

    Thank you.

    • Agree: Son of a Jedi, Bro43rd
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Iris
  33. JR Foley says:
    @Verymuchalive

    All I know was Monday September 10 —action in the square circle —-The Towers of Doom were tangling against Mankind and Diesel ( or was it the Big Boss Man?) and Marvin Bush was the referee.
    Towers were dropped and another Tower fell down outside the ring —someone said HonkyTonk Man was responsible for the last dropping tower.

  34. @Mr. Anon

    Show me one controlled demolition that looks like WTCs 1 and 2, with the outer layers of the building peeling outward like a banana as the core collapses.

    Show me one other building that was designed and assembled like WTC1 & 2.

    • Replies: @ACE economist
    , @Sparkon
  35. @Fidelios Automata

    Occam’s razor says, “Why go through the extra trouble, expense, and risk of detection when it wasn’t necessary?”

    Because two planes crashing into WTC 1&2 would have done nothing more than damage the facades of each of those two buildings. The failure of those buildings to suffer total collapse would have greatly diminished the spectacle while depriving Mr. Silverstein of his insurance money, not to mention all of the other beneficiaries of the total collapse. With Silverstein, et.al. in on the deal, “the extra trouble, expense, and risk of detection” were not a concern.

    • Agree: JR Foley
  36. Anon[682] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The way I frame the ‘question’ to normies is :

    …It’s theoretically possible that one of the WTC collapsed as described in the 9/11 report, but the probability is slim. That both Towers collapsed is such a fashion is a 1 in a million probability. That’s my conclusion as a (retired) NYC architect who is very familiar with the design of the WTC…..

    Whenever I tell this to normies, I get a avalanche of questions mostly asking what really did happen ? I simply state that I have no expertise in what really happened, just that in my expert opinion’ buildings don’t fall down that way’.

    All one wants to do is open the door for normies to start the long process of thinking.

  37. @Mr. Anon

    And if they fell from the same cause, why did they look so different?

    Because they were entirely different buildings. That said, the collapse of all three had one thing in common: they all happened at free-fall speed.

    • Replies: @Swaytonious
  38. ivan says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Although it may not be their intention these “9/11 Truthers” with their controlled demolition nonsense and stuff like “thermites” and assertions that buildings cannot burn at 1,600 degrees C and such like, have as you say provided major interference for the Mossad guys, simply by serving up distraction and nonsense. All day these fellows play with this. Whereas the important question of what the Israelis knew, their foreknowledge and whether they made a best effort to warn their hapless ally the US is the main only question that has to be answered.

  39. j2 says:

    My suggestion how the WTC1 and 2 buildings fell is here:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365433732_Yet_another_solution_to_the_911_attack

    It was not a normal demolition, these buildings also did not fall in free-fall speed, unlike WTC7. I suggest that the central core was taken off by explosives in the cellar and when the central core went down, floor trusses, which were bolted to the central core, pulled the external columns so that they buckled. In order to get the collapse start at any chosen floor, bolts connecting floor trusses to that floor were removed. Therefore the columns in that floor were not pulled from both sides, but only from either up or down side and therefore they were moved to a non-vertical pusition and they buckled. This initiates a cascade of bucking external columns and the whole building does come down by gravity. There are also clear indications pointing to the usual suspect.

    • Agree: Swaytonious
    • Thanks: Ulf Thorsen
  40. Alfred says:

    Contents

    1 Official narrative
    2 Control of World Trade Center Complex
    2.1 Four key Zionist Network assets
    2.2 World Trade Center Security
    2.2.1 Who Killed John O’Neil?
    2.3 Airport Security
    3 Prior Knowledge
    3.1 Gomel Chesed Cemetery Incident
    3.2 Israeli Citizens Get Tipped Off
    3.3 ZIM forewarning
    4 Mossad connections
    4.1 U.S. Army Study: On Mossad
    4.2 Israeli espionage around 9/11
    4.3 After 9/11 – More detentions of Israelis
    4.4 Five Dancing Israelis
    4.5 “We are not your problem”?
    4.6 Truck Bomb Destined for George Washington Bridge
    4.7 Mural Van
    4.8 Urban Moving Systems
    4.9 Ptech Software systems – Computer control backdoor
    4.10 MITRE corporation (computer software)
    4.11 Precision guided plane?
    4.12 Rabbi Dov Zakheim and Systems Planning Corporation
    5 Cover Up
    5.1 9/11 “Investigations”
    5.2 Chief judges
    5.3 9/11 Commission
    5.4 Crime Scene Evidence Quickly Removed and Destroyed
    5.5 Cass Sunstein ‘s “Conspiracy Theories”
    6 Other circumstances
    6.1 Job holders on 9/11
    6.2 Who was on board flight 11?
    6.3 Bush Speech Writers Grossly Inflate Number of Israeli Casualties
    6.3.1 Who was Bush’s Speechwriter?
    6.4 Mohammed Atta Leads Us Directly To Jewish Crime Network Doorstep
    6.5 Al Qaeda = Mossad Playing Dress Up
    6.6 Netanyahu Openly Gleeful of 9/11 Terror Attacks
    7 Connected Events
    7.1 Zionist would-be terrorist incident at the Mexican Congress Building
    7.2 2001 Anthrax attacks
    8 Advocates
    8.1 Hamid Gul
    8.2 Victor Thorn
    8.3 Francesco Cossiga
    8.4 Kevin Barrett
    8.5 Alan Sabrosky
    8.6 Kees van der Pijl
    9 US Deep state involvement
    10 See Also
    11 Related Quotations
    12 Related Documents
    13 References

    Israel Did It

    • Agree: GMC
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike, Ummmpph!
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  41. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    The Pentagon was hit by an Israeli Cruise Missile on 9/11, launched from an Israeli Type 212 German-built Submarine.
    NO aircraft parts were ever seemingly found on the site.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  42. JM says:
    @lavoisier

    You’re right. “Mr Anon” is an airhead or worse. Why? Because he implies that free fall cannot be assessed from “grainy films”. Lol! This nonsense indicates that he has a story (like a cultist) and he’s sticking to it and will disregard any contrary evidence.

    The view held by masses of people is largely derived from the careful scientific work of the “9-11 Truth” Committees. Without it there is just empty accusation. “Who benefits” can never be anything more than a starting point for careful forensic investigation. This “Mr Anon” seeks to cover up.

    • Thanks: lavoisier
    • Replies: @DrWatson
  43. @Mr. Anon

    I agree about Dawson’s work. I have all those you mentioned. Dawson, I believe, was one of the first if not the first to really dig into 911. You mentioned controlled demolition. In fact in several iterations of Dawson’s “War By Deception” and possibly “The Empire Unmasked”, he shows numerous instances of witnesses speaking about explosions going off in the buildings. Also a number of news reports from that day talking about explosions as well as actual sound of excplosions in background while filming on the street. Call it what you will, “controlled demolition” etc, but I believe the evidence is damning that pre set explosives were in fact used to help bring those buildings down. Nanothermite was also found in large quantities. The Israelis even had an ‘art’ group in the buildings called “Gelatin” which is darkly ironic since it was likely some sort of ‘gelatin based explosives that were used. Employees of various offices in those buildings also spoke about hearing drilling for weeks in sectioned off portions of the WTC1 and WTC2 buildings. Here is but one example of a gelatin based explosive

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelignite

    • Replies: @Iris
  44. It would be very much out of character for Antichristians not to be involved in something like 9/11.

    • Agree: A. Clifton
  45. pq says:

    There were no planes in New York. This is clearly evident from the footage.
    The main evidence is the absence of evidence.

    a) the hour of footage between the explosions and the collapse where you have hundreds of people wandering around right underneath and outside the towers asking each other: what happened?
    Like, a huge airliner (x2) just slammed into a huge steel framed skyscraper (x2) right above your head and nobody has any clue…
    A huge airliner slams into a building (x2) and there isn’t a scrap of rubble or a wing or two on the ground below. All the “plane” parts claimed to have been found were found many days later.
    A huge airliner hurtling to low altitude at (an impossible) top speed would have been HEARD by EVERY PERSON within a 5 km radius at least and they would have run the hell away from the noise even if they did not have a clear view from ground level.

    b) the first seven minutes of live footage including and following the second explosion do not show any plane. None of the reporters watching the towers from a helicopter mentioned the plane. The only mention of a plane in the first seven minutes was from a CNN producer who claimed to be in the tower right opposite the twin towers and he said he had a good view.
    Youtube used to have extensive video footage of live coverage of various reporters covering the second explosion which I had naively bookmarked. Someone at youtube went to the effort of disappearing all those videos over the years, maybe from around 2018 or 2019 onwards.
    It was the studio reporters who suggesed the “plane” idea to the helicopter reporters and the helicopter reporters said no, they had not seen any plane.

    c) After seven minutes, the live footage on that day was replayed with the silhouette of a plane disappearing behind the towers, followed by an explosion. Despite the fact that every news agency in New York had their cameras on the towers after the first explosion, somehow not a single one managed to be on the side of the tower from which the “plane” approached. There was the building ALWAYS between the camera and the “plane” in the footage on the day of September 11.

    d) From September 12 onwards, many amateur videos emerged showing a plane disappearing like a ghost into a concrete building (from which the photo above was taken) without shearing or breaking apart at all on impact.

    That is Roadrunner Cartoon Physics 101.

    I have no idea what happened but the simplest hypothesis is explosions followed by controlled demolition. It is known that the towers were closed to workers the weekend before.
    The seven minute time lag is more than enough to add a plane into the real footage of the explosion with the technology of the time. After the spectacular collapse, the “plane crash” footage took back seat. There was a film producer who made vidoes on this soon after 9/11 showing exactly how it would be done with the technology at the time. He later was made to retract and shut up.

    I do not know about the Pentagon or the fourth one but there were no planes at the towers. It is also not possible to
    a) fly a Boeing at low altitude at the speeds claimed in the official reports, which ironically cite CNN footage as “proof”.
    b) for pilots with 20 hours on puddle jumpers to hop into a Boeing and fly it. If the planes had simply fallen out of the sky and crashed, that at least would be a believable “hijacking”.

    If there were no planes, there clearly were no hijackers. There is no need to speculate about what MIGHT have happened. It’s better simply to focus on what clearly DID NOT HAPPEN.

    • Agree: profnasty, Iris
    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @Sparkon
  46. DrWatson says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I don’t know why people say that the destruction of WTC 1 and 2 looked like controlled demolitions. They didn’t look like that at all.

    Are you out of your mind? Bombs were going off inside the buildings before they collapsed.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/WTC_Controlled_demolition

  47. Iris says:
    @Ulf Thorsen

    In fact in several iterations of Dawson’s “War By Deception” and possibly “The Empire Unmasked”, he shows numerous instances of witnesses speaking about explosions going off in the buildings.

    The discussion on whether controlled demolition was undertaken at the WTC on 9/11 is moot.

    Controlled demolition of WTC7 was scientifically proven by the University of Alaska WTC7 civil engineering study, issued in late 2019.

    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    Since it is PROVEN that WTC7 came down by controlled demolition, then it becomes extremely likely that the Twin Towers did, too.

    • Agree: Ulf Thorsen
  48. @Anon

    I show some videos of controlled demolitions; then some more videos of controlled demolition gone wrong; then some more videos of things falling – irregularly, keeling over and not on their footprints; then finally I introduce WTC 7 collapse to them, and show various videos; then I ask them how the collapse of WTC 7 appears to them.

    They admit it does look like controlled demolition.

    Then I tell them:

    A collapsing building that falls on its own, without controlled demolition, has to fall haphazardly, because not all columns fail at once.

    Even controlled demolitions often go wrong. Then those buildings collapse to their side – keel over.

    Therefore it is impossible for a building that falls on its own, to fall exactly on its own footprints.

  49. @Paul Smith

    Close scrutiny of the pictures show that the plane’s were added later. The Israeli filmed the buildings from a rooftop but the planes were later added. Have a good look. No plane can crash right rhtough a concrete and steel building. If that were the case the pictures would have been very different.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  50. DrWatson says:
    @JM

    Yes, he could be hasbara. Look at this article about “Lucky Larry” – he designed a replacement for WTC 7 in 2000! The opening photo is also quite telling: Bloomberg’s gloomy facial expression – in sharp contrast with the jovial attitude of Silverstein. He is trying to schmooze with Bloomberg but he has none of it. And who can blame him? With a murderer of 3000 people?

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

    • Agree: profnasty
  51. @Trinity

    Question — weren’t the Jewish spies there the moment of the crashes AND the day before. I have a memory of such & of a photo they took of a cigarette lighter with the flame “up against” the WTC (the same way as using perspective to make it look like you are holding the Eiffel Tower on your hand)

    • Replies: @Trinity
  52. Shamu says:
    @Princeone

    So Pearl Harbor was America being used for Israel’s dirty work? Israel did not then exist.

    The proper, the precise, way to label the pair of world altering events is: America being tricked and seduced to do more dirty work for the Anglo-Zionist Empire, which first meant the British Empire and only the British Empire. And while the actual capital of the Anglo-Zionist Empire remains The City of London, its actual center of major operations is the USA.

    The Mossad and the CIA are both creations of British secret service. All 3 were part of 9/11. Just as all 3 were part of the war to destroy Trump that was waged from the time he won the Republican nomination.

    • Agree: Zane
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  53. Shamu says:
    @Paul Greenwood

    Yep. The American elites kept wanting ton be part of the British Empire, and so eventually they made certain that the US wouldn’t serve what it had rebelled against as evil back in 1776.

    America was led by its Yankee WASPn elites to return to then service of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    And yes, in 1776, Jewish financiers, most of them then still not UK citizens, were indispensable to the British Empire.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Curle
  54. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    VT has exposed what happened that day, the who, what and how.

  55. Z-man says:

    Thanks for that Fox clip. I remember seeing it back then…when I was much younger. 😩😄
    As a Port Authority cop, who was probably a bit younger than me, told me back then, ‘The Mossad did it’. A wise young man.
    Ironically, the anchor to that investigative report was Brit Hume who was/is a typical pro Izraeli Republican.

    Note: The Port Authority Police Department lost, proportionately, the most police officers of any police department in the history of the United States in a single event…911.

  56. @Liosnagcat

    WTC was of Japanese design with supporting beams on the surface sides of the building like a cage. There should be plenty of sky scrapers in Tokyo of similar design.

  57. @Contraviews

    Hi, Contraviews!

    The “Dancing Israelis” were arrested, and had their film confiscated by the Bergen County Police.

    Had justice prevailed, the film would provide proof of what really happened, but of course the evidence was never shown to fellow “dumb goyim” Americans.

    And by law, Americans have “The Right to Know.”

  58. The next time something like this happens the “terrorists” will already be in the cockpit because they are pilots assigned to their positions by the enemies of America.

  59. @MarLuc7

    Hard pressed, indeed. But that hasn’t discouraged them in the least from trying again with their dual idiotic weather-based global warming/climate change & runny nose and sniffles deadly virus scams.

  60. profnasty says:

    “The planes that crashed into the towers took off from Boston’s Logan Airport.”

    Any imbecile can see, the first “plane” video is a cheap fake. Watch it again. That is foolishly cheap CGI fake.
    Bldg 7—-FAKE.
    1+1=3.
    Bldg 2—-FAKE!!

    Open your eyes man!

  61. Anonymous[943] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zane

    Exactly. The flying aluminum cans were part of, literally, a “Made for TV” disaster.

    I recall back then reading posts by a fellow on a forum that claimed, repeatedly, that they used the – already in place – nuclear demo charges to do this. He mentioned witnessing the testing of these devices in Iowa. Another poster who addressed him like he knew him tried very hard to stop him from making these claims.

    Look, the builders would never get approval to build these buildings without a demo plan. No tnt (nor jet fuel) would be acceptable as a method of dropping this type of building structure. Period.

    The perpetrators fooled most everyone, and they fooled the city officials who were forced to use the demo devices.

    If you haven’t already read it, then go here and get some understanding as to why the “terrorists”, whoever they were, were not in any airplanes:

    http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html

    • Replies: @skrik
  62. profnasty says:
    @pq

    Thanks.
    Now let’s talk about: Spanish/American war, WWI-II, USS Liberty, Vietnam, Watergate, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Marine Barracks bombing, Russiagate, Covid, fake elections,Ukraine and……WWIII.

    It’s all fun and games until someone loses an I.

    • Replies: @profnasty
  63. Bookish1 says:

    Ok I would love to implicate Israel but let’s see the proof. 9/11 was murder and let’s investigate it as a murder. The answer w
    Is who the pilates were.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Slav
    , @rabbit redux
  64. the Israelis are still doing 911 they never stopped, they will never stop peacefully.

    • Agree: Ummmpph!
  65. Israel and traitors at the highest levels of the ZUS government did the attack on the WTC on 911 and blamed the attack on the muslims to give the excuse to destroy the middle east for Israels greater Israel agenda. Congress knows the truth and every thinking American knows the truth, but just as in the case of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty , it has all been covered up, America is under zionist control and has been since 1913, when the zionists saddled America with their privately owned FED and IRS, and then came the wars and deaths and debt all to benefit the zionist bankers.

    To see how the attack was done go to drjudywood.com and wheredidthetowersgo.com.

    • Agree: Zane
    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
    , @Bro43rd
  66. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh Fukk, Give Me a Break!

    Jews did 9/11. 100%.

    The bastards are trying now to destroy Russia and steal the resources that are there.

    Obstruct?

    The LEAST of their crimes.

    • Agree: Ummmpph!
    • Thanks: Trinity
  67. Trinity says:
    @animalogic

    I believe they were there the day before and more than likely they were there right before the crash. The thing is this, lets say Jews like Larry Silverstein and company, along with the 5 Dancing Shlomos were totally not involved in 911. The fact that people representing “America’s bestest best ally in the whole world”can be seen celebrating America being attacked, and 3 thousand Americans dying horrible deaths speaks volumes. (((They))) were caught red handed just like (((they))) were in the eerily similar ,” Lavon Affair. ” Jews/Israelis already had a rap sheet of this type of behavior in The Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty. Odds are clear as day that Jews/Israel was involved.

  68. Ummmpph! says:

    I hate to throw cold water on you. We’re enslaved by the Zionist in every way possible whether you believe it or not. Or whether you can see your chains or not. Now, what are you going to do about it? What can you do about? It’s best to close ranks with family and friends and prepare for the worst because its coming. Do you honestly think we, the American people, can do anything now to stop the Zionists from completely destroying our world? Nope! We’re fukked! Knowing what you know don’t mean dhtly! >>https://donthavetolikeyou.com – I hate to admit it, but the Zionist have been winning and from what I see, they’ll continue to whoop our asses and steal your money, and soil our national honor. So sad because there is only a couple of thousand of them that exercise control over us. Why can’t we round them up – we know who they are – and begin the process of extracting answers and more names from these . . . .

  69. Iris says:
    @Bookish1

    The answer Is who the pilotes were.

    There were NO PLANES, and therefore NO PILOTS involved in the WTC attack.

    Everything happened as shown on TV, everything was real, except that computer-generated images of “planes” were added onto the footage to convince us of an attack from OUTSIDE.

    The Twin Towers came down because they were blown up from INSIDE by the people who controlled them, namely, Larry Silverstein acting on behalf of Mossad.

  70. @Mr. Anon

    I agree, if one watches the collapses, they clearly collapse FROM WHERE THE PLANES HIT. Now, I suppose it’s possible that if they have technology most people don’t even know about, like the nanothermite, that they could remotely detonate it that way, but let’s simplify assumptions. I too like Ryan Dawson. I think he and Justin raimondo, whose work he sees himself as continuing, basically have it all figured out.

    My own whacky conspiracy theory about 9/11 is, I think, more chilling. I think this was all planned way back, even before the towers were built, that perhaps the world trade towers were built to that purpose. They were built to give us a new Pearl Harbor. They were built to collapse when the planes hit. I believe there is a symbology in the mass media which presages certain major world events, a la Michael Hoffman. The Empire State Building was hit by a plane but didn’t collapse. Other buildings have burnt for hours and not collapsed.

  71. @Verymuchalive

    It’s been a dark age of terror since Apartheid Israhell was born in 1948.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/israels-dark-age-of-terror/

    But that Fox censorship is nothing new. There are many more things about Jews they don’t want us to know.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2016/01/05/jews-and-history-lies-galore/

    • Replies: @MacOisdealbhtoo
  72. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    “Make people believe absurdities and they will commit atrocities”. Like, say, masking toddlers?

    • Agree: Trinity
  73. What one really needs to know about 9/11 which goes far beyond crime scene minutia, but rather how is the crime actually situated, strategically and within the political economic situation. And thus the competent forecast was from Lyndon LaRouche and in confronting the British who were really behind this, the Israeli’s being merely a beachhead of known and encouraged terrorists doing work that they excel at and setting up the right patsies But to understand the operation, one needs to understand that this is a bout the very Word War III we are so confronted, for a drills relative to a nuclear first strike war with Russia, were warned that the drill was going to go live if President Bush did fall into the demands of he hijackers which was full spectrum domination of the United States via the Pentagon. Larouche in the late 1990s did an important film called Storm Over Asia, which was a forecast of perpetual warfare in Asia, and that we have thus experienced as being true. Lyn was right and the issue thus was to reach sane leadership, knowing that the fuel for war was because the economic system post Bretton Woods with quadrillions in derivative bubble.

    But it was Lyn’s understanding that the appointment of John Ashcroft as Attorney General that Lyn predicted would lead to Reichstag fire situation leading to a dictatorship. And this is what happened. one did not need to read the rubble, to know that the crimes scene was sealed the fix was in and upon the same approach as the Warran Commission .

    And we must note that the attack on the World Trade Center was an in your face attack that laid bare America’s tower of babble materialism, but did represent a productive economy to be ripped away from the american farmers and working class…now devastated by the drug sex counterculture war against freedom and civic education, into race baited cages of seething hatreds cultivated by mass media indoctrination as we go through the hunger games or do we take the path the higher hypothesis…!

  74. Irina says:
    @Iris

    Thanks Iris, and I’m going to use you fraise “lobotomies morons” . It’s so precise and self explanatory.
    As far as a subject of the discussion, agreed completely.

    • Replies: @Iris
  75. Iris says:
    @Brad Anbro

    Being a somewhat “elderly person,” I doubt very much that I will ever see a REAL INVESTIGATION of the events of September 11, 2001.

    You make all excellent points, but don’t lose the hope of a 9/11 reckoning.

    The 9/11 Truth movement has failed inside America, because the censorship, threats, oppression exerted on the Truthers by the Zionist perpetrators is humanly unbearable.

    But 9/11 can be REMOTELY inquired and understood WITHOUT subpoena powers or investigation in the field. Its VISIBLE physical manifestations, which are public knowledge, have proven to be a treasure trove of clues and information for scientists, and were sufficient to demonstrate what happened.

    Based on open source information, physicist and engineers have already established undeniable scientific proofs that:

    WTC7 came down by controlled demolition.
    It is the conclusion of the 2019 UAF civil engineering PhD WTC7 study; and if WTC7 underwent controlled demolition, then so did the Twin Towers.
    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    – The energy at play in the demolition of the WTC was of a nuclear nature.
    https://hal.science/hal-02004696

    The molten-steel temperatures in excess of 1000ºC, lasting for extremely long durations (over 3 months) could never have resulted from office fires.
    In view of this blatant nature-defying anomalies, a low estimate of the thermal energy released by the WTC after its collapse was calculated by standard heat transfer equations. It returned the stratospheric value of 1 Peta Joule, a quantity of energy:
    – in the order of the monthly production of a 900 MW nuclear reactor
    – in the order of only 63% of the energy provided by a 150 kiloTon nuclear weapon (that is 10 time the 15 kiloTon detonated at Hiroshima).
    – 24,000 tons of crude oil, equivalent to the volume of 10 Olympic-size swimming pools.
    Considering how small the WTC footprint and basement were, only nuclear energy-carriers could have been used, for only them were compact enough to be concealed.

    So there is no mystery as to what actually happened at the WTC. If free and open discussions were authorised between scientists, the correct and consensual conclusion would be reached within 10 minutes, for it is the only one that matches the facts.

    Such discussion is not authorised in NATO-controlled countries, and the rest of the world keeps quiet for fear of US retaliation.

    But when the US domination has waned, and it is well on the way, scientists from all those Global South innocent countries martyred in name of 9/11 will publicly discuss how Silverstein and Mossad carried out the nuclear demolition of the WTC with 3000 innocent Americans deliberately trapped inside.

    • Replies: @GW
    , @Yukon Jack
    , @Brad Anbro
  76. @Desert Fox

    Joe Biden says he’s a Zionist!

  77. @Anon

    Thanks for your comment. I find the opinion of a retired NYC architect to be very compelling. I don’t know what happened on 9/11, but the official narrative seems pretty dubious. Sadly, I doubt we will ever know the entire truth.

  78. TKK says:

    I just received a job posting asking for lawyers to come to D.C. to help “process claims from 9/11”.

    You could not make up the horrifying incompetence of the US Government- tax payer funded black adult day care.

  79. HT says:

    The easiest solution to the Israel problem is just cut off all aid and military support let them fend for themselves. No more Middle East wars. I still have not figured out why we supported this fake country from its inception.

  80. Nat X says:

    The hebes at it agin. Aint dey yt tho???

  81. @Fidelios Automata

    It’s not even important. Would clever plotters arrange to demolish a building that couldn’t be blamed on jihadi fanatics?

  82. Iris says:
    @Irina

    Thanks Irina. There is no need to imagine any fancy weapons, or cutting edge technology

    What was used to demolish the WTC was an obsolete technology, which is so old that everybody has forgotten that it ever existed.

    Peaceful underground nuclear detonations were very popular in the 1960’s , when the Twin Towers were designed, for their capacity to quickly achieve gigantic civil works.

    Project Plowshare, the US programme to harness nuclear detonations for peaceful purposes, lasted as long as 20 years, from 1957 to 1977.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare#:~:text=Project%20Plowshare%20was%20the%20overall%20United%20States%20program,nuclear%20warheads%20were%20detonated%20in%2027%20separate%20tests.

    This programme of underground nuclear detonations covered a large range of civilian applications, from stimulating deep oil wells to digging a second Panama Canal !!

    Building Regulations mandate to provide a demolition method alongside any construction project. So, right in the middle of Project Plowshare in the mid-1960’s, underground nuclear detonation was proposed as a future demolition method.

    This WTC embedded demolition scheme was designed in the 1960’s by professional engineers, without malice or bad intentions, and was meant to safely demolish empty building once they had become obsolete.

    It was opportunistically and deceitfully used by the people controlling the WTC, Silverstein and Mossad, to carry out the nuclear Holocaust of 3000 American civilians, deliberately trapped inside the Twin Towers.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
  83. @ivan

    175,000 lb jet flying 400 mph with 7000 gallons of diesel fuel would cause a hell of a mess hitting a building. Of course the floors above the impact would give way. All the weight of the above floors giving way at once and immediately overwhelming the support structures below causing the building to collapse floor by floor as the weight and momentum increased, seems obvious.

    Israel knew 911 was going to happen, the dancing jews knew the day and time. The real questions that need to be answered are:

    Did Israeli spys actually aid the Muslims in the planning of 911?

    Did Israel try to prevent the attack by informing the Bush administration?

    Were the neocons in the Bush administration blindsided by the attack or did they let it happen?

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  84. @HT

    I still have not figured out why we supported this fake country from its inception.

    Not to be snarky, but you must be new to the subject. Well, dive in. You have a lot of material to cover
    in ZOG 101.

    • Replies: @HT
  85. Trinity says:
    @HT

    Because Jews already had enormous power in the West, particularly America and Great Britain as well as the (((Soviet Union))) in 1948. In 2023? JewSA-JewSA-JewSA….

    IF America were not CONTROLLED by Zionist and their whores, America would have dumped Israel after The Lavon Affair. Hell, America would not have entered WWI or WWII if not for the Jew. The Lavon Affair happened in the 1954, nearly 70 years of Jews backstabbing America with the Rosenbergs, Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, (((the Swindle Whites Movement))), Immigration Reform Act, 911, Epstein Pedophile Sex Ring, etc., etc., etc. Federal Reserve goes back 110 years. America has been under Jewish rule for over a century? So America has been screwed by hostile Jews for over a century.

  86. Slav says:
    @Bookish1

    There were no pilots. Either drones or some fake footage and no planes at all. I believe a drone theory, something like operation Northwoods updated.

    • Agree: MacOisdealbhtoo
  87. tanabear says:

    Yet, questions remain. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth maintains that the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings resembled more of a controlled demolition than a collapse due to plane impacts

    World Trade Towers 1,2 and 7 were destroyed via demolition. This is a resolved scientific and engineering matter. If anyone still thinks this is an open debate then you simply don’t understand the issue well enough.

    The founder of AE911Truth, Richard Gage, was on the popular PBD podcast back in September. The video was quickly removed from Youtube. Now Patrick Bet-David(PBD) interviews some interesting people like Whitney Webb, but the only video of his that Youtube removes is his interview with Richard Gage regarding 9/11. If our commissars want to censor something then that is a good indication that the subject matter is both true and important.

    Richard Gage: [They called it, once again, “hate speech”!? PBD is contesting it so I’ll leave this YT message up in case the actual video becomes active again. It had almost a half-million views before it was taken down!]

  88. GW says:
    @Princeone

    This theory doesn’t really work. There’s no evidence that the post-9/11 conflicts did anything to enhance Israel’s interests; and if anything it turned public sentiment against hawkish neocon behavior. Furthermore, ever since these post-9/11 wars, neocon (really neoliberal) American foreign policy has been to undermine nationalist-type governments around the world in order to align foreign governments to the globalist American-ran agenda. Thus we’ve seen color revolutions, proxy wars against Russia (globalism’s biggest threat), and a continued consolidation of political decision-making in areas such as Covid lockdowns/forced vaccination schemes. Much of this has little to nothing to do with Israel’s interests as a Middle-Eastern power. Further, many wealthy liberal American Jews with power have little love for Israel, as they see it as too right-wing. George Soros is one such example.

    Perhaps the best way to conceive of this is that there are various factions and ideologies in Washington which seek to use the might and weaponry of the United States military to advance their interests. Zionists are but one. They’ve certainly been successful using the Republican Party’s love of Israel as a way to receive billions in military aid. There’s no denying that. But if American foreign policy was solely being dictated by Israel, it would look far different from what it does.

    • Troll: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  89. skrik says:
    @Anonymous

    Attention all 9/11 nukers!

    Here is a link to my extensive debunk of Khalezov/nukes;

    1589.skrik says:
    September 18, 2018 at 9:51 am GMT • 500 Words

    Kindly note that that is the 29th of my 94 comments, out of a total of total 2385 to that article – a mammoth effort by unz-commenters. Thnx to all.

    A key point is the Containment of Underground Nuclear Explosions.

    Near the end:

    PS Any/all primary sources pushing ‘new physics’ idiocy, like Khalezov (nukes, ‘dustify’) and Judy Woods (DEW, ditto) are cranks

    My 9/11 debunk-formula = No**4;

    1. No nukes

    2. No DEW

    3. No ‘dustify’

    4. No planes (yes, controversial but ‘pushed-propaganda’ planes only needed for the ‘blame Arab/Muslim’ narrative to trigger the GWoT and a ‘proof’ = WTC7, no plane).

    It suffices to assert, based on over 20 years of research into much of the ‘findable’ evidence our tyrannical rulers + corrupt&venal MSM allow us, that ‘conventional’ explosives were all that were required to fell WTC1, 2 & 3; some sort of ‘cutting’ charges (possibly nano-thermite or something else) to do the initial, full-floor 45° severance of all internal load-bearing columns (i.e. WTC1 &2 core columns) plus WTC1 &2 external columns, those all at or near the ‘putative’ plane-impact floors (thus ‘unloading’ the down-going columns, and putting the floors above into free-fall), then shaped charges to ‘flip’ columns towards the horizontal, working both downwards and upwards (the latter explaining how the upper-section ’tilted’ block seemed to ‘disappear’ into the growing pyroclastic debris-cloud), and det-cord threaded into the floor cable-conduits to pulverise the concrete floor-slabs and vaporize the thin steel floor pans and light-weight floor-support trusses. Note that the bulk-collapse of WTC1 &2 was near but not actually at free-fall; one can see items falling past the descending explosive-destruction ‘front.’ rgds

    • Replies: @Anon
  90. Bro43rd says:
    @Desert Fox

    And it’s been a century plus of war. Not your pre-industrial revolution war either, human meat grinders are more like it. Governments collude with industry to drive the economy into a militaristic mode. The people, many living wk2wk or mth2mth, are drug along attempting to live a decent life. Voting is not useful to effect real change. What is to be done about it?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  91. Bro43rd says:
    @Ummmpph!

    Thanks for the link, bookmarked!

  92. GW says:
    @Iris

    This over-determinism theory always makes me laugh. If Building 7 were truly taken down by explosives as part of a grand conspiracy, why didn’t the conspiracists who devised the 9/11 attacks (and had the power to shape the narrative) just have the terrorists set the bombs to take down said building? Why deny the bombing of Building 7, which is said to occur under this scenario, just blame bin Laden as was the plan all along! Assigning a Rube Goldberg-device level of planning to the part of the conspiracists knocks such a theory flat on its face.

    The only plausible conspiracy re: 9/11 is that certain Mossad agents financed/organized some actions taken by the terrorists in order to entrap them. A better one is even more cautious. Just as Mossad’s knowledge was ahead of the FBI’s in the lead-up to 9/11, it was nevertheless behind that those actually pulling off the attack. The hidden scandal isn’t that half of Jewry conspired to create and then blame Muslims for a gruesome attack;’ it’s that many different intel agencies from multiple allied governments knew about guys like Mohammad Atta, were actively monitoring them, yet still failed to stop the attacks.

  93. HT says:
    @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Not to be snarky, but you must be new to the subject. Well, dive in. You have a lot of material to cover
    in ZOG 101.

    No, but I have never actually heard a valid reason for supporting Israel since 1948 in such sacrificial fashion when we get nothing in return. I do completely understand Jew power and their control of our institutions which today is 100 times more so than in 1948.

  94. @Bookish1

    Funny, you don’t sound bookish.

  95. @Paul Smith

    Dov Zakheim had a company at that time which had the technology to take over the controls of a plane provided that a transponder had been fitted. The purpose being, and this is so ironic, to take control in the event of a terrorist hijacking. Dov was also – and this is so funny – one of those responsible for American defense via a top job at the Pentagon. In fact he was Financial Controller when the trillions went missing. And he was BFF with Philip Zelikow, the one who masterminded the subsequent cover-up. A screenwriter coming up with such a scenario would be dismissed as a lunatic…but it’s all too real.

  96. @Trinity

    And Larry “pull it” Silverstein who was never even questioned by the FBI.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Chuck Orloski
  97. @Mr. Anon

    Show me one controlled demolition that looks like WTCs 1 and 2, with the outer layers of the building peeling outward like a banana as the core collapses.

    Wouldn’t you know it, you got an ‘Agree’ from Wizard of ZOG, a loyal servant of the (((tribe))) that uses every opportunity to absolve his small hat brethren from the 9/11 crime.

    OK now Mr Anon, listen carefully to what I’m going to say.

    The SIMPLEST, most cost efficient way to bring down a multi-storey building is to :

    1) Plant explosives/cutting charges that synchronously destroy the load bearing columns near the BASE of the building.

    2) Said explosives will be distributed and timed in such a way, so that building IMPLODES in on itself and ensures that the rubble is concentrated in a limited area close to or within the perimeter of the building – as opposed to having the building tip over to one side and have debris scattered far and wide (where you also run the risk of damaging other buildings in the vicinity and/or injuring bystanders as far a kilometre or more away).

    What I have described above is a CONVENTIONAL controlled demolition, and Bldg 7’s collapse was certainly a textbook example of that.
    Every tall building you’ve ever seen, either before or since 9/11 (that has been purposely brought down), was done using a conventional controlled demolition.
    The sole exception to that, in all of history, were the Twin Towers in the World Trade Centre complex.

    With the Twin Towers, employing a conventional controlled demolition was OUT OF THE QUESTION.

    Both buildings were struck by planes in the UPPER floors.
    As dumb as the ignorant masses were, even they would not find it credible if a collapse was observed to start at the base of the building, when the planes clearly struck the building up top.

    So, the perpetrators of the 9/11 False Flag employed a much more intricate and far more costly method of controlled demolition. What they did was :

    i) Blow the floors up one by one, starting with the floors immediately below the points of impact.

    Doing it this way would FIT IN with their pre-prepared bogus story of a ‘pancake collapse’.
    In other words, the perps would claim that the heat from the kerosene fire (jet fuel is just kerosene – although of a higher grade than what you’d find at your local hardware store), would weaken the structural members in the vicinity of the plane impacts due to the [alleged] intense fire.
    This, the official story would claim, caused the floor to collapse, which would then fall on to the floor below, which in turn would collapse on to the floor below and so forth.

    Of course that USG explanation for how the building collapsed is pure B.S.

    Those jet fuel fires could have gone on for weeks, and the concrete and structural steel WOULD NEVER HAVE LOST ITS LOAD BEARING CAPABILITY – because jet fuel burns at a temperature which is far below what is necessary to weaken structural steel.

    Moreover, especially in the case of the aircraft that struck the Sth tower, said impact was at an angle and most of the jet fuel burned up EXTERNAL to the building (hence the more spectacular pyrotechnic display of jet fuel combusting that we saw – much more so than in the case of the Nth tower impact).

    With that in mind, if there was any truth to the ‘intense heat’ being generated by jet fuel fires of the official story, one would have expected the Nth tower to collapse FIRST since far more of the jet fuel entered the building in that first impact and this tower (the Nth tower) burned for much longer than did the Sth tower.

    Bottom Line : Although the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC2 ( the Nth and Sth towers respectively) were not brought down in a conventional controlled demolition, even Blind Freddie can see that they were CLEARLY BLOWN UP from top to bottom.

    ie: there was NO WAY this was a fire induced gravity collapse as the official USG narrative and some Zio aligned apologists for the small hats (hello Wizard of ZOG), are suggesting.

    • Agree: Durruti
  98. niceland says:

    Assuming 9/11 was inside job, orchestrated by locals or Israel or some other group.

    Let me put on my tinfoil hat for a moment.
    If ‘they’ pulled 911 off then operation Astroturf likely followed:

    How many of the interesting ‘truthers’ videos are made by those responsible for 9/11? Where good information and bad is mixed together to create confusion and provoke debate about all sorts of technical issues.

    How many of the theories regarding how the Towers fell did they inject into the discussion to compete with others to help create the gigantic pile that is the discussion about how and why they fell in the past ~20 years?

    To hide the proverbial smoking gun it’s a good idea to create enough of them, promote and support all kind of windbags and blowhards – to drive away more level headed voices, people with reputation and something to loose by participating in such ‘nonsense’ Who is going to recognize which of the smoking guns is the real one in this discussion? Will the argument suddenly stop and the participants agree? I am still waiting after two decades.

    How many of the top figures in the 911 truth movement do they control, or own? To divide and sow distrust and so forth.

    I have no idea if they did this, perhaps they didn’t have to and it all happened naturally.

    My point is, all this technical stuff is a distraction.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Troll: Iris
  99. @Mr. Anon

    And I would add, does this look like any controlled demolition you’ve ever seen?

    YES – it ABSOLUTELY looks like a controlled demolition.

    It’s not a CONVENTIONAL controlled demolition (because it was designed by the perpetrators of the 9/11 False Flag to be a Top-to-Bottom collapse, and in that sense appeared different to the garden variety demolition), but it was nevertheless still a controlled demolition.

    Of this there is NO DOUBT.

    • Agree: Yukon Jack
    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  100. @GW

    GW,

    I am not trying to belittle you or discredit your post in any way. We do not even know (for certain) if there were passengers on any planes, since many of the so-called Arab “hijackers” turned up ALIVE after that day. There was technology available then to completely fly and control planes by remote control.

    I doubt very much that commercial passenger aircraft was even used, since there was next to no debris and aircraft wreckage visible at ground zero, the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania.

  101. Sparkon says:
    @Liosnagcat

    The building formerly known informally as “Big Stan” has a similar method of construction, using the so-called “tube within a tube” design, but with the exterior steel framework consisting of triangular v-shaped exterior columns rather than the 4-sided “box” columns used in the destroyed Twin Towers of the WTC.

    The building employs a tubular steel-framed structural system with V-shaped perimeter columns to resist earthquakes, reduce sway, minimize column bending, and maximize column-free space. This construction method was also used for the original World Trade Center twin towers in New York City.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aon_Center_(Chicago)

    Despite what commenter ACE economist implies in his reply, WTC lead architect Minoru Yamasaki (1912 – 1986) was a native-born American of Japanese extraction who had escaped interment during WWII because of his job with an American architectural firm. Although Yamasaki had some measure of fame and recognition, he had no experience designing tall skyscrapers and was said to suffer from acrophobia, fear of heights. Nevertheless, he and his firm were selected from relative obscurity to design the World Trade Center with its 110-story Twin Towers, which were entirely unneeded and unwanted at the time, and doubled vacant office space in Manhattan upon completion.

  102. @Bro43rd

    The FED and the IRS must be abolished, this will take the money creation out of the hands of the zionists and this will end the destruction of America, the FED and IRS are 2 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto and are unconstitutional.

    Voting machines are under zionist control and must be abolished in all elections, voting machines can be programmed remotely to give any result the voting machine programmers want aka the zionists, there has not been a fair election since voting machines were introduced.

    Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity and they are destroying America.

  103. @Mr. Anon

    I’ve only read up to comment # 17 in this thread and it is evident to me that you’re a Zio aligned peddler of disinfo.

    UR readers be Warned : Mr Anon is really Mr Ashkenazim (and his pet poodle Wizard of ZOG follows in his wake).

    • Agree: Yukon Jack
    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  104. @Irish Savant

    Hi Irish Savant!

    “Lucky” Larry should have undergone waterboarding by the FBI, to get the truth.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @Trinity
  105. DanFromCT says:

    The case against Israel is lacking in “hard evidence”? In fact, circumstantial evidence is the rule and not the exception in criminal matters. Partial evidence that in itself is inconclusive has for a thousand years been added together in criminal proceedings to conclusively determine guilt.

    In the case of 911, the circumstantial evidence implicating Israel is is as voluminous as it is overwhelmingly conclusive of Israel’s guilt. On what grounds does the author or Conservatism Inc insist on “hard evidence,” such as confessions of the guilty?

    Of course Israel did 911. Furthermore, the Jewish-controlled mainstream and social media’s elaborate efforts at concealment provide powerful and conclusive circumstantial evidence of their complicity in the greatest war crime ever committed against this country.

    • Replies: @Iris
  106. @Truth Vigilante

    Right, Didge, but there were no planes used.

    You are acting fraudulently here as usual, if only in not letting readers know that there is already existing considerable argument about planes vs. no-planes. Preinstalled demolitions, explosives etc., is not the issue any longer. The (((claim))) that there were planes is.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  107. From the post-Iraq-War perspective, the official 9/11 narrative is woefully incomplete and misleading.

    Btw, like Butt-Tucker’s piece on JFK assassination, the Fox report on 9/11 was one of the most unusual moments in media history. No wonder it was suppressed so quickly, and YT censors it despite its pedigree of being part of mainstream news.

    More alternative narrative:

    THREAD Some excerpts I found interesting from Churchill’s war volume 1. I understand Irving isn’t perfect, but still worth reading anyway imo. Read and decide for yourself.

    • Thanks: Ummmpph!
  108. @Chuck Orloski

    I agree Chuck. And the fact that he wasn’t even pulled in for questioning tells you all you need to know.

  109. 9/11 was an inside job, where the Bush administration and the Israeli government were complicit.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
  110. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    There is no way the 9-11 attacks occurred without American cooperation at some level.

    I think it makes far more sense to see this as a joint operation between:
    USA
    Israel
    Saudi Arabia

    These are the players. These are the parties that stood to benefit. This was the alliance in the a Middle East.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  111. Sparkon says:
    @pq

    The seven minute time lag is more than enough to add a plane into the real footage of the explosion with the technology of the time. After the spectacular collapse, the “plane crash” footage took back seat. There was a film producer who made vidoes [sic] on this soon after 9/11 showing exactly how it would be done with the technology at the time. He later was made to retract and shut up.

    Actually, despite what Ace Baker and others have claimed, the technology at the time included real time video insertion. Already in January 2000, The New York Times was reporting that…

    CBS Is Divided Over the Use Of False Images In Broadcasts

    He said that he understood the argument against the use of the technology — which is widely employed in sports and some entertainment shows — on news programs. The danger is ”that it looks too real and therefore it’s wrong or potentially wrong,” he said. ”I certainly agree it’s potentially subject to abuse.”

    He noted that advances in computer-generated techniques had made things like missiles hitting Baghdad and airplanes crashing look so real that it was incumbent on networks to underscore that these were not real images.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/13/business/cbs-is-divided-over-the-use-of-false-images-in-broadcasts.html

    I’ve written at length here at UR about PVI’s L-VIS, which permitted live insertion and removal of objects in videos in real-time well before 9/11.

    Ivan Amato’s July 1, 2000 article “Lying With Pixels”in MIT Technology Review provides critical background on the technology:

    … the technology used to “virtually delete” the skater can now be applied in real time, live, even as a camera records a scene and instantly broadcasts it to viewers. In the fraction of a second between video frames, any person or object moving in the foreground can be edited out, and objects that aren’t there can be edited in and made to look real.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2000/07/01/236243/lying-with-pixels/

    In short, everything we saw on TV that day is suspect.

    Let the viewer beware.

    • Thanks: TKK
    • Replies: @pq
    , @MarLuc7
  112. Trinity says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    IF America was being run by honest men and women, Larry would have had to spill the beans. No deals or plea bargains though. This was mass murder. Destroyed the lives of the family members as well. Death penalty case if I ever saw one. Three thousand murdered and probably triple that for the number of lives ruined forever.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  113. @Mr. Anon

    The collapse of WTC 7 did look like a controlled demolition – I’ll give you that. But that is all beside the point. Buildings that weaken and fail fall straight down because that’s the way that the gravitational force points.

    This is wrong at so many levels. On 9/11, I heard and interview with an architect who had worked on the WTC project. He was baffled how a structure designed to withstand being hit by a Boeing 707 could be demolished by an airplane of roughly the same size and weight. Even Trump was baffled, noting he had been on the site while under construction and the the amount of steel in the structures was way beyond “normal” construction, with steel framing every window. How could the wings NOT have been sheared off, or minimally, part of a wing? Buildings don’t “weaken and fall straight down”, because the weakening is never equal at all points, unless configured to do so – as in a demolition.
    I’m not going to pretend I know what happened, but I know what didn’t happen: 19 Arabs, who couldn’t fly Cessnas, were armed with box cutters and hijacked planes on 9/11, then flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  114. @Mr. Anon

    A big one that everyone missed is that the trade towers were pre-wired for a controlled demolition when they were built. Whaaaaaattt? you say. Yes Virginia, you can not build huge towers over Manhattan, a town with more Jews, and Jew lawyers, and Jew moguls, and sue happy Jew real estate tycoons without insuring that your towering skyscrapers are built to fall into their own footprint.

    There is no way in hell Jew New York City would ever issue a building permit unless some system was in place to make sure those wavering trade towers would not collapse and take out 10 blocks of the most expensive real estate in the world.

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/author/yukonjack/

    https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2013/11/04/skyscrapers-pre-wired-to-come-down/

    Consider that there was a $2+ billion price tag on the asbestose removal when Silverstein bought the towers. So would that sneaky little shit rat faced Larry Silverstein buy such a lemon?

    Here is what hardly anyone talks about, however.

    The World Trade Center was full of asbestos insulation. During the latter part of the 1960s as the Twin Towers were being constructed, late asbestos disease researcher Dr. Irving Selikoff was working at Manhattan’s Mount Sinai Kettering Cancer Center. He recalled seeing asbestos material “falling like snow” from the construction site. Today, thousands of people who were there or living downwind from the World Trade Center continue to suffer from respiratory problems. At least one first responder contracted mesothelioma and died within five years. This disease usually takes decades to kill a victim.

    That’s how concentrated the asbestos was in those buildings.

     According to some estimates, the Twin Towers contained 5000 tons of asbestos materials. As long ago as the mid-1990s, the New York Port Authority was looking at an asbestos abatement bill of as much as $1 billion dollars – representing well over 12 times the buildings’ original cost. When the buildings’ insurers, Affiliated FM, refused to cover the asbestos removal/abatement costs and won their subsequent lawsuit over the the matter, the Port Authority was left with some untenable choices. The outdated buildings could not be demolished because of the asbestos; for the same reason, they could not be remodeled and updated in any cost-effective manner. The only other option was to slowly dismantle the Towers a piece at a time – the cost of which would have run into several billions of dollars.

    Well, the day after 911, on the Jeff Rense radio program, he had on a guest who installed controlled demolition systems for skyscrapers, the young man even provided pictures. I was a regular listener, and I heard it live. And then guess what happened? The next day the pictures and radio show were scrubbed from the internet forever.

    The great untold story is how these mega structures are pre-wired for demolition – yet are rented out – and the tenants have no idea they are sitting on a bomb.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anarchyst
  115. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t forget that 91st floor art project 2 floors under where the first plane hit: “Project Gelatin, The B Thing.”
    Gelatin explosives perhaps? The B thing means Bomb thing?

    There was a little wooden balcony made by the art project that protruded a few feet out. The rooms taken up by the art project were off-limits to everyone except for the five Austrian JEWS who were the artists involved. The performance art was that you supposedly submitted something through a slit in one door and they’d make a copy and drop it out a slit in another door right down the hall. The art project gave these men cover to be in the building all hours of the night, where they could do anything they wanted. From 2 am to 4 am the towers were pretty much empty except for security. A few lower Manhattan residents claimed to see white vans showing up for a few weeks that summer from 2-4am several days a week. Just like those moving company vans owned by that Mossad front company. The cuts could have been made in the girders and explosives planted during during that time.

    “Project Gelatin, The B Thing” used to have a wikipedia page where any of you interested can check it out if it’s still up. You can web search it also

    • Replies: @julien romanovsky
  116. The quick clean-up afterwards was impressive.

    It was not just some jews acting alone.

  117. 9/11 was the biggest blockbuster ever produced by producers, directors and actors from Israel and Hollywood, using arabs and Goyim as paid background filler to give legitimacy and realism to the production.

    It created the largest telethon and charity events in history, raising more money in one year than all charities combined did the previous ten years.

    After 9/11 commercial and private residential insurance coverage for acts of terrorism became a separate policy.

    Air travel was restricted for thousands of items that could potentially be used as a weapon, your body was subjected to X-Ray scans, pat downs, your speech history could put you on “No Fly Lists” for “Thought Crimes” against the usual cast and crew.

    Jump forward twenty years and now you can’t travel to certain countries without being vaccinated, wear a mask or publicly deny the Holocaust existed.

    The PsyOps keep getting deadlier as they move forward global war with nuclear armed states under guise of sovereignty, when US/EU open borders allow our replacement to invade with impunity.

    (((WEF))) = World Egomaniacs Forum – Under ZOG control.

  118. Rurik says:
    @niceland

    How many of the interesting ‘truthers’ videos are made by those responsible for 9/11? Where good information and bad is mixed together to create confusion and provoke debate about all sorts of technical issues.

    How many of the top figures in the 911 truth movement do they control, or own? To divide and sow distrust and so forth.

    My point is, all this technical stuff is a distraction.

    yep

    it’s enough to know Building Seven was a controlled demolition, which means the other two were as well

    Israel and elements within the Bush administration, (Cheney, et al), did 9/11

    as a pretext to stampede the American people into endless wars for Israel

    Check out PNAC, and ‘another Pearl Harbor-like event’

  119. @Truth Vigilante

    Why are the Ziotrolls out in force infesting a thread about 9-11? Because all investigative roads lead to Israel.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_911zion_02.htm

    Mark Glenn interviews Dr. Alan Sobrasky on who did it,

    (((they))) = Israel.

    AS: It is, and it’s more than that, Mark. What we need to stand up and say is that not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it.

    I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.

    You know, Phil, I don’t denigrate what happened to USS Liberty in the slightest – you understand that – but for most Americans what happened to the USS Liberty, or in Vietnam, was history. Now this is history. You know, they can be concerned about it, but they’re not going to get mad about it.

    9/11 has led directly to 60,000 Americans dead and wounded, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that we’ve killed or wounded or made homeless, and it’s an on-going sore. It’s not your sore from the USS Liberty, it’s not my sore from Vietnam. Both of us have those, both of us care about. But this is an open wound.

    And what Americans need to understand is that they did it. They did it. And if they do understand that, Israel’s going to disappear. Israel will flat-ass disappear from this Earth.

    So the reason the Zionist trolls must obscure the truth, because otherwise the hammer would come down on their precious little desert shithole so-called holy land.

    Some day, we can only hope, Israel is scrubbed from the face of this planet.

  120. @Curmudgeon

    Mr. Anon is trolling this comment section.

  121. On March 25, 2020, researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks issued the final report of a four-year computer modeling study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7.

    The 47-story WTC 7 was the third skyscraper to be completely destroyed on September 11, 2001, collapsing rapidly and symmetrically into its footprint at 5:20 PM. Seven years later, investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.

    Contrary to the conclusions of NIST, the UAF research team found that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was caused not by fires but by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

    Following the release of this report, AE911Truth and 10 family members of 9/11 victims submitted a formal request for correction to NIST’s report on WTC 7 based partially on the UAF findings. They are now suing NIST over the agency’s evasive response to the request.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

  122. @Iris

    The energy at play in the demolition of the WTC was of a nuclear nature.

    There is no doubt that 911 was a Zionist/Israeli job. If nukes were used, where did Israel get the nukes?

    Little known fact, Israel got the decommissioned Davy Crockett weapon warheads.

    Mordecai Vanunu just happened to photograph them in the lower floors at Dimona:

    https://vanunu.com/uscampaign/photos.html

    Vanunu assumed those were being produced by the Jews. They were not produced, they were disassembled nuclear cores of the M388 warhead, which were inside the Davy Crockett nuclear warhead.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

    This is obviously a huge story, because it is illegal for the USA to give them to Israel, AND it is illegal for the USA to give Israel money if they have nukes and have not signed the NNPT. Furthermore Israel has been using them to blow shit up, like the Trade Towers and the recent Beirut harbor nuking, and don’t forget those Fukushima owl cameras.

    Next time Bibi Satanyahu accuses Iran of trying to get the bomb, why not ask that lying POS how many nukes has Israel detonated.



    Video Link

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Thanks: Iris, Chuck Orloski
  123. “Urban Moving Systems”

    To accelerate this national dilution

    The Enemy used deception and illusion

    As before, his confidence never greater

    In the power of his demonic theater

    Over a degraded population.

    He broadcast live on every station

    The brazen, calculated murders

    Of two thousand souls among the girders

    Of gigantic towers he demolished,

    Then celebrated as his golem rushed

  124. @niceland

    It seems likely there are two sets of actors here.

    1) Consciously bad actors who wish to turn the whole thing into a joke to obscure what happened or make the topic appear ridiculous.

    2) Professional fantasists who get off on the most exotic explanations possible, particularly to manipulate others into repeating their ideas.

    The tactics and outcomes in both cases are near identical. These parties aggressively insist on multiple ridiculous explanations of observed phenomena.

    I suspect no 2 are naturally more like trannies who demand to be seen as the opposite sex. It’s a turn on for them in some way. And they’ll say their rights are being violated if people don’t accept their outrageous claims.

    As long as they can derail the subject sufficiently both of these cohorts (which are often intermingling and propagating their ideas between each other) have ‘won’, meaning the average person coming across this for the first time is repulsed at the moronic pile of festering stupid crap, and so they shrug their shoulders and walk away.

    In both cases, mission accomplished.

  125. @Verymuchalive

    No. This is great content. Best part right up front like it’s supposed to be.

    Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence gathered. It is classified information.

    Who is keeping this secret?
    Why are they keeping it secret?

    The spooks are never going to tell us. They deserve to be hung at noon on the 4th of July on the national mall if you ask me.

  126. @Yukon Jack

    The details matter so could you please clear up one that you would rightly regard as important. I discobering refer to Silverstein’s asbestos problem. cam you please spell it out, with sources, because I recall discovering that the need for repair only extended to about 20 floors. Apparently the rules about asbestos use had come into effect shortly after construction began. Less important, but it seems to have affected you, is the story of the scrubbed broadcast of someone claiming to have been party to building in a demolition system when the buildings were first constructed Silurely it is archived somewhere.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  127. HbutnotG says:

    Visited my 89 yr old Poolish-American dad that afternoon. The 8th grade grad, retired tool & die maker, muttered something about “controlled demolition of dat dere building.” and chuckled. At the time I thought “oh, you demented old fart.” Dummy me.

    Years later, just for funzies, I had a DNA analysis for ethnicity done, which I must say, despite the anonymity, quite accurately nailed my “known” ethnic background. But, interestingly and formerly never considered, found me 1/64th Jew. Makes a lot of sense. (as a rule of thumb, an Irishmen never outbred, rarely score 700 on any MCAT subtest, if they even get to taking a MCAT and you never saw one get double promoted – let alone twice.)

    But that old adage “it takes one to know one” certainly explains my dad’s comment and far as I’m concerned, substantiates the Mossad theory. Frankly that guy was one person whose judgement I could trust – at times a bit of a bowlshitter for sure (always with a purpose) – but nonetheless, outside of race track stuff, perennially the stablest. most reliable one in the family.

  128. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Hmm, thats funny, I didn’t know office fires could liquify granite. Oh thats right, control the narrative and you don’t have to answer questions.

  129. Iris says:
    @DanFromCT

    In the case of 911, the circumstantial evidence implicating Israel is is as voluminous as it is overwhelmingly conclusive of Israel’s guilt.

    Completely agree.

    And if I may add, the reciprocal is true and also supports your point: twenty-one years on, there is TOTAL ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE that any known / named / identified prominent individual working for the CIA, the FBI, or any other organisation of the kind had played any instrumental role in planning and executing the WTC nuclear Holocaust.

    Of course, the Shabbos goy CHENEY and RUMSFELD were involved in the master conspiracy up to their neck. But they were not the ones planting explosives and pushing kill buttons.

    There is a long and precise series of Isreal-affiliated perpetrators, and we know the specific role played by each one of them:
    Larry SILVERSTEIN, Frank LOWY, Ronald LAUDER, Lewis EISENBERG, Jules and Jeremy KROLL, Menachem ATZMON, Michael GOFF, Dov ZAKHEIM, and the list goes on…

    …And I won’t even bother listing the overwhelming Israeli component in the judiciary, the compensation fund, the media, etc.., in absolutely every aspect of the subsequent cover-up. All details are available in this excellent Wikispooks page:
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    If really the WTC terror attack was an “inside job” by some American agency, how come we cannot pinpoint a single non-Israeli American name at the top of the food chain, even after 21 years, but can name over a dozen key Israelis American names?

    Some will still pretend it is because Mossad is controlled by the CIA, but those who lived through 9/11 will remember how the CIA was lambasted for its failure, shamed and ridiculed, and how its director George Tenet barely kept his position).

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  130. TKK says:
    @niceland

    Where good information and bad is mixed together to create confusion and provoke debate about all sorts of technical issues.

    You just described my job as a defense attorney. I can tell you it is an effective method if the jury is dumb.

    But if you have just one sharp eyed juror, who can sway the others, the reasonable double machine will fail.

    The truth is simple.

    The lack of any real Western journalists with money and muscles behind them is one of the greatest tragedies of our time.

    And if someone gets to uppity or “truthy”, just remember what happened to Alex Jones and the January 6th prisoners.

  131. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @skrik

    Frankly, you are talking a lot, but you’re not saying anything……

    Please explain exactly what your argument is without rambling into the oft-repeated “conspiracy theory debunked” drivel. You get no credit for being rational at this point except for admitting Judy Wood is a complete shill.

    • Replies: @skrik
  132. anarchyst says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Your statement:

    There is no way in hell Jew New York City would ever issue a building permit unless some system was in place to make sure those wavering trade towers would not collapse and take out 10 blocks of the most expensive real estate in the world.

    …deserves clarification.

    New York City has been allowing “self-certification” of large construction projects for many decades now. As such, no city building officials are involved in inspections. It is not inconceivable that the WTC was constructed under theses “rules”.

    • Replies: @Iris
  133. anarchyst says:
    @Iris

    Dont’ forget jew Michael Chertoff who made a financial killing with “backscatter x-ray” scanners used in all U S airports.
    Follow the shekels…

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Thanks: Iris, Chuck Orloski
  134. dimples says:
    @MarLuc7

    That phone marked as a Sony W800i is in fact a W810i. I know because I had one of these vintage retro classics back in the day. They sell for $70 at least on Ebay nowadays. I wonder if I can dig it out of my junk pile and make a killing. More likely it will have disappeared and I will have to buy another one.

  135. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Silverstein’s asbestos problem.

    I generally pass over your posts like I do Elitecommie, or whatever that troll’s name is, but I noticed this part, and so I figured I’d comment on it, (not to delve into minutia, but because it goes to the (black) heart of your charming co-tribalist.

    The north tower contained an estimated 300 – 400 tons of asbestos. The twin towers also contained many other contaminants.

    Early asbestos abatement estimates from the World Trade Center totaled close to $1 billion.

    Removal was difficult and expensive because asbestos was in the buildings’ framework.

    However, testing of 9/11 dust and rubble confirms the mineral was still present. Asbestos exposure in New York may have led workers and residents to develop an asbestos disease.

    During the attack, concrete and other materials in the twin towers were destroyed. This released a toxic dust cloud containing thousands of contaminants, including the carcinogen asbestos.

    Asbestos-containing dust from the attack on the twin towers spread across Lower Manhattan. As a result, thousands of first responders, residents and workers experienced asbestos exposure. Individuals in the area were also exposed to several other carcinogens.

    Days after the attacks, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stated the Manhattan air was “safe to breathe.” However, the EPA later concluded it did not have the data to back this claim. The agency tested the air and settled dust to determine if asbestos fibers and other particles were present.

    Public health officials have stated that more than 90,000 individuals experienced harmful exposure from the attack.

    As a result of time spent at Ground Zero, many victims have been diagnosed with 9/11-related illnesses and cancers.

    More here.

    https://www.mesothelioma.com/states/new-york/world-trade-center/

    In short, Lizard, to answer your query, when Silverstein took on the World Trade Center Complex, he was on the hook for over a billion dollars to remove the asbestos from the building.

    But if you’re Larry Silverstein, you find other, more resourceful ways of accomplishing what needs to be done, and what could possibly be better, than foregoing the expensive work of removing the cancer-causing menace, than to turn it all into fine powder, and ‘purify’ it all in the lungs and bloodstreams of the residents of New York City? !

    Talk about Such a deal!

    And then have the tax-payer pick up the tab for all the medical and death expenses!

    I suspect that for decades to come, Lucky Larry is going to go down as one of the most Jewish of all Jews of all time.

    • Thanks: Yukon Jack
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  136. @MarLuc7

    …The mind-rape of his fools

    For mass conditioning was brutal

    Past telling but control was not total,

    For Aryan genius had lately created

    An information medium that defeated

    His stranglehold on what could be known,

    And through this brief window were thrown

    To minds among the somnolent and feral

    Seeds of awareness of their peril.

    The truth that in their ready soil took root

    Would curse and bless and make resolute

    That generation destined again to be,

    Grown among ruin, a mighty tree.

  137. @Trinity

    Wisely, Trinity wrote: “IF America was being run by honest men and women, Larry would have had to spill the beans. No deals or plea bargains though. This was mass murder. Destroyed the lives of the family members as well. Death penalty case if I ever saw one. Three thousand murdered and probably triple that for the number of lives ruined forever.”

    Thanks, and I totally agree.

    • Thanks: Trinity
  138. pq says:
    @Sparkon

    Ace Baker, thanks. I always forget his name. Thanks also for the technology update.
    There’s no doubt it would have had to be done very quickly. The next few minutes were probably devoted to the logistical and organizational aspect.
    I said seven minutes because when I watched the first ten minutes, second by second, the “plane” silhouettes were first broadcast at approx. seven minutes after the first explosion footage was broadcast. The CNN producer talking about planes came a couple of minutes after the explosion and a couple of minutes before the plane appeared, probably to “prime the audience” and provide visual support for the idea that had just been planted into their heads.

    The thing that I find so scary is talking to, for example, people with Phds in physics or engineering and they absolutely refuse to just watch the footage carefully and critically because the idea that they could give time to a tinfoil hatter is more frightening for them than the laws of physics being broken.

  139. Iris says:
    @GW

    Why deny the bombing of Building 7, which is said to occur under this scenario, just blame bin Laden as was the plan all along!

    You are missing one key piece of the WTC puzzle in your reasoning. Please be assured that I am not criticising you: it took me years and years to finally find and understand the meaning of this missing piece.

    There is a CRUCIALLY important fact that is never picked up upon even in the 9/11 Truth community: WTC7 sustained explosion-induced collateral damage immediately after the collapse of the (first) South Tower.

    Such explosion collateral damage is visible to the day in videos filmed inside WTC7 just after the ST collapsed: lobby destroyed, glass cladding blown up outwards.

    Inside WTC7 between Towers collapse (CBS footage):

    The extent of the damage was so important that the main internal staircase collapsed, trapping inside two employees of the Port Authority named Barry Jennings and Michael Hess. They had to be extracted by the firemen from 8th floor windows.

    There is a very simple and obvious explanation to this collateral damage. The explosions under the South, then the North Tower, blew up WTC7 because the latter was connected to the formers by two of those many tunnels that run throughout the WTC.
    The tunnels acted as path of least resistance for the pressure blast, which, unhindered, hit and imploded WTC7.

    Knowing this, the story of what happened with WTC7 becomes much clearer.

    WTC7 was most probably not destined to be demolished on that 9/11 day; it was far too low on the skyline to be allegedly hit by a “plane”.

    But completely unexpectedly and never foreseen by the perpetrators, WTC7 accidentally incurred blatant explosion-induced collateral damage. WTC7 therefore instantly became a giant and screaming smoking gun for controlled demolition.

    With WTC7 unexpectedly screaming of and proving controlled explosions, all the masterplan was down. It would have been impossible to hide the explosion damage from the thousands of first responders joining the site.

    So the all-powerful Silverstein had to improvise and make the quick decision most optimised to save his Israel party’s conspiracy: he decided to demolish the smoking gun.

    By doing so, Silverstein hid the most obvious hallmarks of controlled explosions. But he also, in the process, unwillingly set in motion the doubt and suspicion (3 Towers down with just 2 planes) that ultimately uncovered the entire conspiracy.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @MarLuc7
    , @Patrick McNally
  140. Iris says:
    @anarchyst

    It is not inconceivable that the WTC was constructed under theses “rules”.

    Please pardon me for interjecting; I’d just like to support this point made by Yukon Jack.

    Building Regulations mandate providing a demolition method as part of the construction permit application, at the same time the design is submitted for approval. This demolition method is to be used in due course, when the building’s lifetime, typically 100 years, has expired.

    This provision would have been even more scrutinised in the case of the Twin Towers:

    – First because their design was made according to a completely novel and innovative structural concept (tube-within-tube), never used before.
    https://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/index.html

    -Second, because at the time the Twin Towers were being designed, New York was in the middle of a major and famous sky-scrapper demolition issue.
    It had been decided to demolish the iconic but commercially-inefficient Singer building. But due to the dense urban neighbourhood, years were spent in vain looking for a safe demolition method. In despair, the 41-storey Singer building ended up being demolished by hand,. The entire decision-demolition process took almost a decade.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer_Building

    singer building

    So the issue of future demolition was quite a burning topic at the time (mid 1960’s), and would have been much present in the mind of the regulators who approved the WTC construction plan.

  141. For over two thousands years they have tried to keep secrets from us, by burning ancient libraries to the present censorship on debates over historical, scientific and religious documents and events.

    We aren’t even allowed to question origins of race without being called racist. Questioning the Jewish Holocaust will get you imprisoned in a few countries, or at least shamed as an antisemite with possible other cruel and unusual punishment.

    There’s a reason they who cannot be named want us ignorant of their agenda, it’s a long plan with plenty of twists and turns and bumps in the road to distract and deflect from the most evil plan ever imagined.

    If you knew the truth, you would cease to exist.

    From our awakening comes our annihilation.

  142. @Fidelios Automata

    Because it was necessary, since Donald Trump himself stated, after the attacks, that the buildings were designed to remain standing in the face of airliner collision. It was a damned hoax.

  143. tito says: • Website

    We have given hundreds of billions to this odious Semitic state – when do we get a refund?

  144. Zane says:
    @Dumbo

    An aluminum airframe hitting a building made of thick structural steel beams? The airplane breaks apart on impact. The building stands. Likewise aviation fuel fires can’t melt steel.

    In any case a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level. The thing would disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC. Ask any aeronautical engineer.

  145. Zane says:

    The best 1 1/2 hour documentary on what really happened on 9-11:-

    https://rumble.com/v13wjkp-must-watch-911-where-did-the-towers-go.html

    Where Did The Towers Go?

  146. FifthDim says:

    September 11, 2101… Latest investigation brings some clarity on who was behind the WTC terrorist attack 100 years ago.

    September 11, 2201… Latest investigation brings some clarity on who was behind the terrorist attack of two office buildings 200 years ago.

    September 11, 2301… Latest investigation brings some clarity on who was behind the terrorist attack occurred 300 years ago in today’s depopulated city of New York; however, the research turned to be extremely difficult because some of the states apparently involved in the attack no longer exist.

    And so on and so forth.

  147. Rurik says:
    @Zane

    a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level. The thing would disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC.

    that particular discussion reminds me of this scene

    ‘What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?’

    I’ve seen, and participated in that (pointless and circular) discussion to no avail, on any side.

    It’s a waste of time, and a distraction.

    Like ‘were DEW (directed energy weapons) used on 9/11?’

    It’s for experts and fanatics to pour over, not us laypeople, unless you want to drag the discussion down to flinging vitriol. (Which is what the perps of 9/11 would love better than anything).

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
  148. MarLuc7 says:
    @Sparkon

    Excellent Comment!! Thanks for your work. I have been trying to wake people up for two decades. No Planes were Used on 9/11. More and more people are awakening to this astounding fact.

    It forces an epiphany of sorts. It inflicts pain in the form of cognitive dissonance.

    It obliterates the entire 9/11 Commission Report and the entire 9/11 Truther Movement; making all discussions irrelevant.

    No Planes = No Hijackers = No Passengers = No Jet Fuel = No More Bullshit Armchair Subterfuge!! It Sweeps all the controlled opposition into the dust bin.

    It forces a complete recalibration of the entire discussion. And it immediately calcifies all public opinion to one singular NEED; The NEED to find the TRUE CULPRITS. The NEED FOR A NEW INVESTIGATION.

    The horrific realization of No Planes, leads the populace to ask, “then what happened to the supposed passengers”????

    And if you believe there were indeed “Passengers” then you quickly realize: They must Have Been Disposed Of. And who could do such a thing? And what were the final minutes of those doomed souls like? Were they herded into a building and machine gunned to death? How were their bodies disposed of? Did they use a front loader to scoop up their corpses and drop them into and industrial furnace?? Or were they dumped in a ditch like the Jewish Cheka did to the Poles in the Katyn Forrest Massacre of 10,000 souls?

    This is what is so powerful about the No Plane theory. If true, you have MASS MURDER OF INNONENCE on large scale by some really psychopathic assholes. Knowing no planes were used is much more upsetting and abrasive than believing suicide bombers took their own lives as well as their victims.

    Knowing No Planes were used leads to the conclusion that we now have mass murderers that killed thousands of American Citizens and WALK this earth FREELY today.

    This consideration alone should ENRAGE all of AMERICA. 3000 human beings. Three Thousand Cold Case Files scream out from their graves for JUSTICE.

    This is the Power of the No Plane Theory. And this is why Israel and the traitors in America will bury this deeper than JFK.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  149. @Shamu

    So Pearl Harbor was America being used for Israel’s dirty work? Israel did not then exist.

    Jews bloody well existed, however. A great many people, notable among them being Charles Lindbergh, had seen how tirelessly Jews were working to involve the United States in the European and Pacific wars. What’s more, Jews in the FDR administration had been enthusiastically pushing the power-mad president to engage in the dozens of neutrality-breaching provocations in both theaters that began in 1938.

    Pearl Harbor or something like it was an inevitability, since it was in fact a Japanese response to American aggression. If the Jews around Roosevelt hadn’t been so eager for war, all they had to do was advise him to inform the Japanese ambassador on December 4 or 5 that the United States was aware that a Japanese strike force was steaming toward Hawaii. FDR knew from intelligence reports that the fleet was under orders to return to Japan if its presence and course were discovered.

    But then there would have been no Pearl Harbor attack, and Jews worldwide would have gone into mourning.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Rurik
  150. The people who did this dirty deed could tell y’all how they did it. It’s a pity you don’t know who they are. If they are reading this they are laughing their ass off.

    • Replies: @Iris
  151. @Mr. Anon

    Nuclear “controlled” demolition: never tested on any skyscraper.

    So… the supposed explosions happened underground. Now look at that one (WTC1 from 1’50”):

    So… the supposed underground nuclear explosion under WTC1 is supposed to have been powerful enough to supposedly destroy the core columns, but it left all windows untouched.

    And the destruction happened top down, instead of bottom up like for WTC7.

    Wonderful! Magic!

  152. @Zane

    An aluminum airframe hitting a building made of thick structural steel beams? The airplane breaks apart on impact. The building stands. Likewise aviation fuel fires can’t melt steel.

    250 mph tornado winds can drive a piece of straw 2 cms in a tree. When in the propane business, I was called to a customer location whose 500 gallon propane tank had leaked all its gas. Upon inspection, some redneck had shot it with a deer rifle. A lead bullet knocked a hole clear through half inch steel.

    A wood fire can get a wood stove red hot. When steel is red hot it bends, easily. I have seen the results of a diesel bulk plant fire. 1000s of gallons of diesel on fire does melt/deform steel.

    I do not understand this argument that a 175,000 lb jet going 400 mph could not penetrate a steel/ concrete building and the ensuing 7000 gallon diesel inferno could not finish off the damaged steel supports causing the upper floors to collapse.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    , @Zane
  153. MarLuc7 says:
    @Iris

    WTC 7 was Classic Controlled Demolition.

    I don’t think even the most all powerful Larry Silverstein could order the “Pull It” of BLD 7 and have it destroyed in such a controlled fashion —with such short notice.

    That type of symmetrical, uniformed Free Fall demolition takes days, if not weeks to design. And I don’t think Building 7 was destroyed using nuclear weapons. As their was no pyroclastic cloud similar to the WTC 1 or WTC 2.

    In my humble opinion Building 7 was a Fuck Up. It was suppose to fall in the cloud and noise of either WTC 1 or WTC 2 collapse.

    I think the collapse of both WTC 1 and WTC 2 were accelerated due to the very rapid response of NCY Fire Department. Remember the cell phone jamming going on?? Remember the complaint of the NYC Fire Department claiming their radios and communications were intermittent and not working??? There was some military grade jamming equipment being used in NYC on 9/11. Remember all the people walking out of the Pentagon, not being able to use their cell phones??? Same thing was going on there.

    So why would the perps use radio and cell phone tower jamming equipment? To control the narrative. To make sure first hand visual reports did not get released to the public in REAL Time.

    You had firemen climbing those stairs and reaching the supposed airplane impact zones of those two towers. Their first hand intermittent radio communications could have exposed everything. And the reports were starting to come in.

    1. For this reason, I think the planned time of detonation of the nukes in WTC 1 and 2 had to be accelerated. This threw off the entire schedule.

    2. I also think something went wrong with WTC 7 conventional demolition wiring. The massive shock wave coming up through the connecting tunnels probably damaged the wiring circuits of the installed demolition schema. And the perps could not detonate WTC 7 at the exact time of the other two detonations. WTC7 was suppose to fall simultaneously and be hidden in the dust clouds:

    WTC 7 is indeed the Smoking Gun. It was a gift from God and a huge “Oh Shit we are Fucked” moment for the perps. They had no choice but to continue with the demolition of this building. For if left standing, miles and miles of wring and cutter charges would have been discovered by NYC Fire Department. So in broad daylight we see a perfectly clear, textbook controlled demolition of WTC 7:

    3. The Other fuck up was the early release of the Controlled Media press kit for the collapse of WTC 7. Again a rush job giving us yet another gift.

    • Agree: MacOisdealbhtoo
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @tanabear
    , @nognverra
  154. Ron Unz says:
    @niceland

    How many of the interesting ‘truthers’ videos are made by those responsible for 9/11? Where good information and bad is mixed together to create confusion and provoke debate about all sorts of technical issues.

    How many of the theories regarding how the Towers fell did they inject into the discussion to compete with others to help create the gigantic pile that is the discussion about how and why they fell in the past ~20 years?…My point is, all this technical stuff is a distraction.

    That was exactly my own impression once I finally began carefully looking into the 9/11 issue seven or eight years ago, as I’ve emphasized in my articles:

    So I see little point in endless debates over whether nano-thermite was used, or nano-thermite plus something else, or just something else entirely. And such complex technical debates may serve to obscure the larger picture, while confusing and intimidating any casually-interested onlookers, thereby being quite counter-productive to the overall goals of the 9/11 Truth movement.

    Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/seeking-9-11-truth-after-twenty-years/

    This also relates to my “Cass Sunstein” article from last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/alex-jones-cass-sunstein-and-cognitive-infiltration/

    • Agree: Biff
    • Thanks: niceland
  155. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m out of Agree buttons

    Agree!

    • Replies: @Durruti
  156. Well, yes, but what can be done about it, even if we knew exactly who?

    Call the cops?

    I think we have a good enough view on who presently.

  157. Rurik says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Pearl Harbor attack, and Jews worldwide would have gone into mourning.

    on the morning after the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor, 500 US Army soldiers commandeered Disney Studios, (the only large media corporation that was anti-war) and forced Disney’s empire to produce pro-war, (and pro-income tax) propaganda, even tho, (or especially because) Disney was anti-war.

    I’m not sure if Walt Disney ever regained control of the empire he created, as it’s obviously in ((their)) hands as I write this.

    9/11 being a ‘new Pearl Harbor-like event, is true in more ways than one.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  158. @Zane

    In any case a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level.

    Precisely.

    • Thanks: Zane
  159. Anyone mention the Israeli art students , and their complete access to all the upper floors that they wanted, doing photography on a extended platform set up after removing the window.

    That requires co operation with building maintenance in the nth degree, I have done that 70 floors high from swing stages.

    Transponders to bring in and aim the fake planes ( actually missiles with holographic planes) were required as well.

    This two months prior, with photos of boxes and boxes of detonators in plain sight in their selfies.

    Is the third tower mentioned at all.

    That bbc broadcast added to the Odigo warning was enough for me. but…..

    I was actually standing beside a top Structural Engineer in our Training centre that day, he was the golden boy of our very best Engineering School.

    And when the first tower was blown up , and then down, squibs completely obvious, he said , and I Quote” That’s not supposed to happen,” never forget that day, Elvis day he died, and Lennon.

    The clincher for me, as a person who worked on and built the biggest buildings in my hometown, was that the NY C building code did not change at all. Not one line was altered.

    PS :the passport of one of the pilots found on the street was hilarious if not so sinister, the bdmwar crew never, ever, leave any stones unturned.

    They are the masters of deception, and deserve praise for their genius. Leave that for the satanites and Nazionists

    And don’t get me started on the Pentagon or Shanksville,
    ☘️🇨🇦🤺

  160. @Sam Hildebrand

    I do not understand this argument that a 175,000 lb jet going 400 mph could not penetrate a steel/ concrete building and the ensuing 7000 gallon diesel inferno could not finish off the damaged steel supports causing the upper floors to collapse.

    Read the photo- and video-supported document linked to in comment no. 162. Among the things you will learn is that it is a literal impossibility for a 737 to fly at that speed at or near sea level. The G forces would tear it apart.

  161. Israel certainly knew that a 9/11 style attack was possible. Benjamin Netanyahu was on (probably) Fox News about a year before the attacks and he essentially called it. On the morning of September 11, 2001 when I was listening to the reports on the radio I recalled what Ben said. Case closed.

    • Replies: @Zane
  162. tanabear says:

    And such complex technical debates may serve to obscure the larger picture, while confusing and intimidating any casually-interested onlookers, thereby being quite counter-productive to the overall goals of the 9/11 Truth movement.

    This is true. But before you can get people to look at the whodunit aspect of 9/11 they first need to accept that WTC 1,2 and 7 were destroyed via demolition. If they still believe that fires caused the collapse they are never going to move on to the whodunit part of 9/11.

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  163. Iris says:
    @MarLuc7

    They had no choice but to continue with the demolition of this building. For if left standing, miles and miles of wring and cutter charges would have been discovered by NYC Fire Department.

    There never was kilometres of wires, or hundreds of charges, spread across the Towers for conventional demolition.

    Conventional demolition would have been completely impossible; it would have required taking down countless walls, to run across kilometres of cable, connecting hundreds of charges and triggers.
    This was impossible because the 3 Towers were entered and occupied by ordinary members of the public up until to the very last minute.

    Some conventional explosives were indeed used and placed in a limited number of locations, where easy to hide from the public. First in the façade cladding, by the “Gelatin B Team” among others, in order to detonate and simulate a plane crashing.

    Second, as reported by the firemen, a number of secondary explosions were performed to destroy utilities area inaccessible to the public: maintenance room, lift shaft, sprinkler and stand-by power.

    But the final controlled demolition of the Towers did not require any visible modification or wiring. A nuclear charge would have been brought up unnoticed, lowered into a sort of empty well dug up under the Tower’s anchoring structure and into the bedrock, and then remotely detonated with a time delay. Not many, many explosives charges with many, many wires. Just one massive 100 kT nuclear charge with just one wire.

  164. @Doug Ryler

    Once they got away with the JFK public execution, and the alphabets all assisted, they knew they could do anything at all, and you yankees would do nothing about it!

  165. @Ron Unz

    Once we have concluded that the culprits were part of a highly sophisticated organization, we can then focus on the Who and the Why, which surely would be of greater importance than the particular details of the How. Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    Agreed!
    I am in no way qualified to join this discussion. But this was exactly my impression reading this thread.

  166. @Rurik

    I’m not sure if Walt Disney ever regained control of the empire he created, as it’s obviously in ((their)) hands as I write this.

    He did to some extent—enough, for example, to hire Wernher von Braun in the fifties as a consultant and on-air personality.* As a child I used to hear adults refer to von Braun as a Nazi before mentioning he was a scientist (at that time I had no idea what a Nazi was). How fortunate we are that the Jews are so powerless!

    My less-than-encyclopedic understanding of what happened to Walt’s studio is as follows. In his will, Walt (d. 1966), as you may know, left the entirety of his media holdings to his older brother, Roy (d. 1971). Roy’s son, also named Roy, betrayed his family and allied with (((several rival-studio executives))) to force the resignation of the head of the Disney studio picked by Roy Sr. It was at that point—the early eighties, I think—that Eisner and Katzenberg got control of the company and completed its transformation into the producer of anti-white and Christophobic effluent that it is today.
    ___________
    *When my eleven-year-older brother (now deceased; RIP) was w0rking for Hughes Aerospace on the Apollo XI project, he met von Braun. To say that my brother was tight-lipped about his work is almost an understatement, but he said two things about WvB that I still recall. He characterized him as “almost inconceivably brilliant” and said that without von Braun, the USA’s rocket program would be where it had been in 1940.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  167. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Mossad’s execution of 9-11 should have been a wake up call.
    You guys subscribed to the phony WMD and coyote planes dissapearing into the babylonian twin towers whilst your intuition should have kicked in and told you something is not right.
    9-11 should have been the litmus test for truth but you conveniently ignored it. You looked the other way due to cognitive dissonance.
    You followed Bush’s order to go on a spending spree with more credit card debt jacked up with high interest to feed the satanic cabal instead.
    With all these bogus wars on terror and non-ending hoaxes you have unwittingly supported the Zionist Satanic push for one world disorder.
    At this point, all you can do is repent for your sins and start fighting back the criminal enterprize who are in charge of orchestrating all these bogus war on terror, creating these monstrous, diabolical, sinister ISISraHELL with the help of al-CIA-da and MOSSAD.
    Alternate would be to sit back and enjoy bigger fireworks than 9-11 coming near you whilst they prepare greater IzraHELL for the coming of their Yahweh, The Anti-Christ dajjal who will globalize his reign of terror from Jerusalem.
    Either way buckle up for a roller coaster ride with some of these demonic, totally psychopathic, diabolical, sinister, pathological liars and corrupters of mother earth. You reap what you sow.

    There is a lie. Then there is a BIG LIE. Then there is 911. Santa Claus is beyond a LIE. Tel LIE vised 911 EvangeLIED are being taken for a ride by way of Deception to think Jesus Christ died for their Evils. Everyone shall have to account for deeds, either good or evil to enter Paradise or eternal abode in Hell fire.

    The infuriating thing about 9/11 and the multitude of lesser false flags which both preceded and followed it is that, although most Americans know it was as phoney as a three and a half dollar fed reserve note, everyone seems content to put up with the extremely phoney “war on terror” it was designed to create and which has already destroyed a hand full of countries in the world, caused the murder of upwards of two million people, mostly using U.S. military, and turned the U.S. into a ruthlessly insane police state wherein everyone is made to obey patently unlawful statutes in the name of “emergency” while the ruling elite has quit obeying any laws at all while gathering a massive military presence to cow the now restless and resentful public. – See more at:Christopher Bollyn: The Man Who Solved 9/11

  168. Durruti says:
    @Rurik

    I’m out of Agree buttons

    Commentator Iris -already identified- in an early comment, # 16, Who committed this enormous crime of 9/11.

    “The WTC came down by underground nuclear detonations, with Mossad opportunistically and single-handedly using a pre-existing installation, and shredding alive 3000 innocent people in the process.”

    Surely Iris’ opinion of HOW the buildings were destroyed, might be further discussed. Although I agree with her analysis, this discussion remains relevant, and is still needed, as there remain many brainwashed, who believe the lies of our controlled media.

    So – Why are complaints directed against the commentators – who wish to share knowledge and Views on just how the 3 Towering Buildings were brought down? Ego? Damage the credibility of those participating in this Free Exchange of views? Impede this discussion? Is there an intention to Backtrack from earlier identification of the mass-murdering terrorists?

    Dr. Peter J. Antonsen – nom de guerre, Durruti

    • Thanks: Iris, Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @Rurik
  169. @Anon

    The Pentagon was hit by an Israeli Cruise Missile on 9/11, launched from an Israeli Type 212 German-built Submarine.

    This is incorrect.

    A Raytheon owned and operated A-3 Skywarrior impacted with the Pentagon AFTER it had first fired a bunker buster missile (possibly an AGM-65) which penetrated the C,D and E rings of the Pentagon.
    Refer to the link below that feature the brilliant investigative analysis from Paul Andrew Mitchell :

    http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/inside.job.htm

    You also wrote :

    NO aircraft parts were ever seemingly found on the site.

    This is also incorrect.

    Although it is denied in the official bogus USG narrative of what struck the Pentagon on 9/11, the following photo shows some major sections (hanging from the crane) of positively identified A-3 Skywarrior wreckage found within the Pentagon (not to be confused with the fake Boeing 757 wreckage that was planted by the Feds/FBI on the Pentagon lawn) :

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  170. Sarita says:
    @MarLuc7

    You’re right 100%
    very few had heard the phrase “False Flag”.

  171. @Ummmpph!

    Do you honestly think we, the American people, can do anything now to stop the Zionists from completely destroying our world? Nope! We’re fukked!

    The American people (as a collective) have failed to stop the small hats in their depraved quest for world domination.

    Fortunately for the rest of us, Putin and Xi Jinping have not failed, and together they are well on the way to bringing about the demise of the Anglo Zionist empire.

    Putin in particular should take the most credit because, after Khazaria 2.0 is annihilated in this Ukraine proxy war, this will have financial/geopolitical repercussions that will bring down the U.S (and U.K) economies and thus the power base of malevolent Zionism.

    • Replies: @TruthSeeker88
  172. Ace says:
    @One Nobody

    Please supply the date, location, names of the engineers who used nuclear charges to demolish three structure, and the type and ownership of the structure involved.

    Please also explain how the charges were replaced and how the radioactive byproduct of these detonations was handled.

    • Replies: @Iris
  173. Sparkon says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yet currently all the endless debate over the How tends to crowd out the Who and the Why, and I wonder whether this unfortunate situation might even be intentional.

    That’s rather rich, Ron, considering your past response to suggestions that Right-wingers Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld might have been involved in the plot.

    “I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there’s one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.”

    — Pres. George W. Bush, Dec. 4, 2001

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

    However, as most astute observers know by now, there was no live TV broadcast of any plane crashing into WTC 1 on 9/11, so there was nothing for Bush to see of the first event on Black Tuesday, at least on network TV at Booker school. That questionable video by the Naudet brothers seeming to show something crashing into WTC 1 was not aired on TV until the following day 9/12/2001, so obviously Bush lied on at least two occasions in Dec. and again in Jan. 2002 about watching the first plane crash on TV.

    Right-wing rationalizations for Bush’s lies will vary.

    “Of course the orders still stand!”

    VP Dick Cheney, Sept. 11, 2001

    Although we must assume that the HQ of the world’s most powerful military would be able to defend itself against any air attack, the fact remains that no plane was shot down at the Pentagon on 9/11 despite Cheney receiving frequent updates about the airplane’s approach. Therefore, Cheney’s order must have been “Hold your fire,” as he obviously didn’t want to shoot down his own airplane pretending to be AA 77, which was seen by some observers as it overflew the Pentagon on 9/11 just as explosives were detonated there.

    [George] Tenet had never done spy work.
    […]
    It didn’t hurt that Tenet had presided over the renaming of the CIA’s sprawling Langley campus as the George Bush Center for Intelligence in 1999. The elder Bush was CIA director in the mid-1970s.

    Tenet is not seen as a power broker in the Bush White House, where Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld hold sway.
    […]
    In the months leading up to Sept. 11, amid a torrent of intelligence traffic on Al Qaeda, Tenet is said to have behaved like a man possessed.

    “He was running around buttonholing all of us, telling us there’s something going to happen,” said Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

    On the day of the attacks, Tenet was having breakfast in downtown Washington with [David] Boren.

    When an aide whispered in Tenet’s ear that the World Trade Center had just been hit, Boren recalled, Tenet declared: “This has Bin Laden’s fingerprints all over it,” and raced back to the agency.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-oct-17-na-tenet17-story.html

    After extensive analysis and careful deliberation lasting a second or two, CIA Director George Tenet fingered the patsy.

  174. @Sam Hildebrand

    All the weight of the above floors giving way at once and immediately overwhelming the support structures below causing the building to collapse floor by floor as the weight and momentum increased, seems obvious.

    NO, it doesn’t seem obvious.

    In fact, anyone with even a modicum of a hard science background (ie: like a grasp of high school physics and Newton’s 3rd Law of motion), would KNOW that it seems impossible.

    Watch the 6 min section of the video below from 2:53:20 – 2:59:30 for an education on how strong these buildings were and how there was NO WAY the section of the building below the impact zone would have been ‘overwhelmed’ by the structure collapsing from above :

    Focus especially just after the 2:57:20 point where the WTC engineer John Skilling states :

    ‘Live loads on the [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2000% before failure occurs’.

    Bottom Line: On ANY floor of the building, said floor is designed to be able to support the weight of MANY MULTIPLES of the weight of the building above it.

    This is what is called a ‘Redundancy Factor’.

    Sammy Hildebrand, it has been noted that you have been caught peddling B.S on the 9/11 False Flag before.
    Be careful, we’re all watching you. Let’s hope you’ll refrain from doing so in future on behalf of your Talmudic benefactors.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    , @Mr. Anon
  175. Rurik says:
    @Durruti

    So – Why are complaints directed against the commentators –

    I haven’t read all the comments, so I can’t answer to what every commenter says. I didn’t notice the one of which you speak.

    who wish to share knowledge and Views on just how the 3 Towering Buildings were brought down? Ego? Damage the credibility of those participating in this Free Exchange of views?

    again..

    who was trying to do that?

    are we on the same planet?

    Is there an intention to Backtrack from earlier identification of the mass-murdering terrorists?

    ????????????????????????????

    As to agreeing with Mr. Unz,

    some of the minutia in the 9/11 truther movement, has become very contentious.

    Like Mr. Unz said, ‘There was something in the termite’, one person insists.. and then the other says, ‘what’s wrong with you, of course there wasn’t’

    and then the rancor crescendos from there. Trust me, I’ve seen it. – and then you get people doing what you talked about in your post. Personal attacks. Vicious personal attacks.

    If you want to debate minutia; the speed of the plane’, ‘were there Arabs flying it’, and on and on and on, then it’s a free country,

    here, I just started a thread

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/open-thread-6/#comment-5769109

    but I’m just agreeing with Mr. Unz, is all, and I certainly didn’t take any swipes at anyone’s character, now did I?

    so not sure why you’re directing those questions at myself.

  176. RestiveUs says:
    @niceland

    My point is, all this technical stuff is a distraction.

    The nonsensical “technical stuff” may be a distraction, but the sound technical counter-arguments are what turn many away from the official BS narrative in the first place. Don’t discount the value of that.

  177. @GW

    There’s no evidence that the post-9/11 conflicts did anything to enhance Israel’s interests

    You are totally clueless. How stupid would one have to be to come to that conclusion ?

    The 9/11 False Flag ushered in :

    1) The destruction of Iraq
    2) The destruction of Libya
    3) The attempted destruction of Syria through the engineered-by-Mossad/CIA civil war involving ISIS proxy fighters
    4) The demonisation of Iran with the intention of invading them also (this never eventuated because so much blood and treasure was being squandered in Iraq and Afghanistan that it was no longer militarily/logistically feasible to invade Iran also).

    These are ALL countries that Israel viewed as a threat to them in the Middle East.

    Bottom Line: American foreign policy is 100% dictated by the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (headquartered in the City of London) and the Apartheid Israeli state is their bastard child.

    EVERYTHING that has occurred post 9/11 as far as U.S foreign policy is concerned has been :

    OF, BY and FOR the benefit of the Apartheid Israeli state and securing hegemony for it in the region.

  178. @Zane

    In any case a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level. The thing would disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC. Ask any aeronautical engineer.

    Every aircraft ever built has a performance chart of altitude (y-axis) vs velocity (x-axis). To answer your question you need to know the type of aircraft and it’s performance chart, and you are correct, a heavy aircraft has a low max velocity at sea level.

    Professional Pilot forum: Boeing 767 Max speed at sea level?
    How fast do you think a Boeing 767 could go at sea level? The max operating speed at 1000 feet is 360 knots, but I’m aware if can exceed that speed, just not sure by how much. Is it likely you could make it reach 500 knots? I’ve done some research on this and I seem to get conflicting answer, some say it would be difficult for the structure of the plane to withstand that speed, others say the engines are incapable of creating enough thrust.

    A heavy aircraft, like a 757 or 767, also has a minimum altitude it can be flown at high speed, as the wings get into ground effect, and thus the hole in the Pentacon is impossible flight act.

  179. Gore 2004 says:

    Come on, y’all are crazy.

    Al Qaeda was behind 9/11…Clinton and Bush failed to put security measures in place…did Israel know, maybe, but they were not behind this.

    It was Islamic terror.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
  180. RestiveUs says:
    @MarLuc7

    The Perps will be hard pressed to sell their HORSESHIT EVER AGAIN.

    They just did with their Covid-scam. Caused a lot of damage, made a lot of money. Same story.

    • Replies: @Jteenth
  181. Iris says:
    @Ace

    Please supply the date, location, names of the engineers who used nuclear charges to demolish three structure, and the type and ownership of the structure involved.

    The demolition scheme is likely to have been designed by a professional demolition company called “Controlled Demolition Inc”, funded by Mark Loizeaux. It is a logical conclusion to draw, because they are the company called upon to deal with the Ground Zero aftermath of 9/11.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Demolition,_Inc.#:~:text=On%20September%2022%2C%202001%2C%20eleven%20days%20after%20the,Hudson%20River%20from%20flooding%20the%20WTC%27s%20basement.%20

    And again, big disclaimer: they are NOT criminals. They genuinely designed in the 1960-1970’s an engineering demolition scheme intended for empty buildings, which objective and intent was criminally diverted by the Mossad psychopaths.

    Please also explain how the charges were replaced and how the radioactive by-product of these detonations was handled.

    Did you mean “placed”?
    The charges, precisely just one charge per Tower, were lowered into a borehole, dug up at minus 75 metres into the bedrock during the construction phase, left empty and boarded up for future usage.
    The radioactive by-product is almost entirely stopped by the 75 meter thick layer of bedrock sitting above the detonation chamber: this natural containment by soil is the principal design feature of underground nuclear detonations.

    Also, as the official Project Plowshare was probably the inspiration, it is likely that fusion nuclear devices (H bombs) were used, which release relatively little radioactivity, only produced by the small fission/A bomb used to trigger the main fusion reaction.

    It sounds completely demented to us today, but it did not to people in the 1960’s-70’s.

    This is an example of how careless and dismissive they were. Project Gnome, as part of Plowshare, resulted in a 5kT nuclear detonation undertaken into a salt formation in New Mexico, at minus 360 metres below ground level. Only six months after the detonation, nuclear technicians dug up a tunnel and entered the nuclear cavity created by the explosion. This is how crazy things were at the time.

    https://www.daily-times.com/story/money/business/2018/06/24/h-bombs-peace-lasting-legacy-project-plowshares-nm-nuclear-blasts/705823002/

    • Replies: @One Nobody
  182. Zane says:
    @Sam Hildebrand

    It wasn’t a fighter jet. It was a passenger plane. A 737. They cannot travel at 400 mph at 1000 feet without disintegrating. Sigh. Stop dissembling.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  183. Zane says:
    @The Jester of Genocide

    That’s because Israel planned and executed the 911 false flag (there was no ” attack ” and no planes were hijacked or hit any buildings or crashed) in cahoots with US deep state actors.

  184. Zane says:

    One fellow who knows exactly what happened on 911 is a certain Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. However, his lips are sealed. He isn’t talking, but every now and then a little smirk appears on his dial that indicates he thinks a truly cosmic joke was played on the American public that fateful day.

  185. Abbybwood says:
    @tanabear

    Here is an interesting book written by Kevin Robert Ryan:

    “Another Nineteen: Investigating Legitimate 9/11 Suspects”:

    Cheney, Rumsfeld, Carlucci, Armitage and the Deep State.
    Louis Freeh and the FBI, George Tenet and the CIA.
    Richard Clarke, COG and the UAE.
    Canavan, Sliney and the FAA.
    Ralph Eberhart and NORAD.
    Carl Truscott and the Secret Service.
    John Deutch, Paul Wolfowitz, Peter Janson and the Pentagon.
    L. Paul Bremer, Brian Michael Jenkins and Terrorism Propaganda.
    Wirt Walker and KuwAm.
    Barry McDaniel and Stratesec.
    Rudy Giuliani and the World Trade Center.
    Duane Andrews and SAIC.
    Porter Goss and the Cover-up.

    Check it out.

  186. Decent article, and then you get to the PLANES part (taken off from Boston)…
    Do you not know that all the footage of planes was computer generated? (proven)
    Do you not know that a plane cannot penetrate the WTC Towers?
    Where is your research on the fake planes?
    https://911planeshoax.com/2020/09/11/proof-that-no-real-planes-were-used-on-911/

    It’s always with you people, always some truth and then a bunch of lies slipped in.
    What. A. Joke

  187. MarLuc7 says:
    @Iris

    Agreed. No argument here. The Twins were taken down with mini-nukes. I have no doubt of that.

    I don’t think Bld 7 was though. It was controlled demolition. But I have no idea what technology they used. I agree wiring it for NORMAL controlled demolition could not have been done in secret.

    It would have been a huge operation. And no one would be showing up to work in that building. No one. Everyone would have known.

    All of NYC would have known. The Mayor of the City worked in WTC 7. He most certainly would have known. All the Alphabet agencies in WTC 7 would have known.

    So it leads me to believe that something other than normal controlled demolition was involved. One thing is for sure. This fucking Weasel KNOWS how they did it:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?va=l&t=hd&q=Larry+sylverstein+insurance+payout&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7wQXnycq1lM

    Listen to the inflection in his voice as he says, “Four and a half Billion Dollars”…….he almost giggles to himself….. standing there bragging in front of his fellow Tribe Members.

    They love to gloat. They can’t help themselves.

    These fucking people are SICK PSYCHOPATHS. I pray one day we can return the favor.

  188. skrik says:
    @Anon

    Did you bother to read my “1589.skrik” article? I expect not, otherwise you would unlikely to be so rude. My argument [via credible facts] against the nutter Khalezov is all there. I notice a link has ‘decayed’ so here is what the area around the WTCs would look like (Chagan crater) if the nutter’s scheme had been implemented:

    rgds

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Anon
  189. @niceland

    Iris quite correctly called you out as being a troll.
    Similarly, you’ve been trolling the Covid Psyop threads in UR for some time and posting pro-vaxx drivel for quite some time.

    Yes UR readers, Mr’ Niceman’ is the same disinfo peddler that claimed (in a previous 9/11 related UR thread), that the so-called intense jet fuel fires weakened the structural supports and caused a pancake floor by floor collapse – exactly as per the preposterous official USG narrative.

    At the end of the day Mr ‘Niceman’ (who pretends to be from Iceland, but is in fact clearly a Zio aligned sayan working out of the Negev desert in Occupied Palestine), is n0t to be trusted.

  190. @Psychotic Break

    You are acting fraudulently here as usual, if only in not letting readers know that there is already existing considerable argument about planes vs. no-planes.

    Not at all. I encourage readers to read through the comments of the following UR article from Sept 2022, where a rigorous debate over the Planes Vs No Planes viewpoints took place.
    UR readers can then make up their own minds:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-9-11-double-cross-conspiracy-theory/?showcomments#comments

    I’m not going to contribute to cluttering up this thread quibbling over the Planes Vs No Planes hypotheses.
    It’s sufficient to say that there are sincere people on both sides of the debate (and more than a few that are anything but sincere).

    The important thing to remember is that, no matter which side of the debate you align yourself with, neither hypothesis detracts from the inescapable conclusion that 9/11 was a Zionist orchestrated False Flag.

    • Agree: Rurik
  191. @Anonymous

    I think it makes far more sense to see this [the 9/11 False Flag] as a joint operation between:

    USA
    Israel
    Saudi Arabia

    NO. Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with it.

    The ‘redacted 28 pages’ and all the rest is nothing but Zio misdirection.

    Just like the JFK coup d’etat, which was intricately designed to leave ‘clues’ that the Soviet Union was involved/Fidel Castro was complicit/the anti-Castro Cubans did it/the Texas Oilmen had a hand in it etc, so too were fake trails laid by the same Zio entity to blame Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s ISI for 9/11.

    It’s not even technically correct to blame the U.S.
    The 9/11 False Flag was done on the orders of the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel – as are ALL crimes that have global consequence (eg: Covid Psyop, Ukraine proxy war, assassination of JFK, RFK, JFK Jr, James Forrestal, MLK Jr, Senator Paul Wellstone etc).

    Yes, this False Flag served the interests of the Apartheid Israel state.
    But never forget that Israel is a Rothschild construct, set up so that there would be a refuge for malevolent Zionist rodents in the event that there ever was another pogrom of Jewry and said miscreants were expelled from their host countries.

    The existence of Israel is dependent on the backing of the Zio cabal – the same cabal that controls U.S foreign policy.

    So YES, the Mossad was involved and YES, U.S traitors (at the highest levels) in the U.S government, military and Intel agencies were involved in carrying out this crime.
    But at the end of the day, ALL of these players were no more than HIRED HANDS in the employ of the Zio cabal.
    In other words, the American ‘actors’ involved were not doing it on behalf of America or because they were American patriots seeking to maximise the strategic and economic interests of the U.S. (Let’s face it, these wars for Israel bankrupted America and tarnished America’s position geo-strategically).
    So in that sense it was not done ‘by America’.
    They did it for the shekels and because they were likely compromised. ie: the Zio cabal had dirt on them (like film footage of them engaged in amorous activities with minors etc).

    Said players have NO AUTONOMY of their own to carry out any substantive action without getting the express approval of the Zio hierarchy.

    • Replies: @YourFather
  192. Jteenth says:
    @RestiveUs

    Anti American commenters here will never give up. By the way, the antivaxxers have similar paranoid fantasies and need to get a grip. You don’t know anything about large aircraft and you certainly can’t claim to know anything about dangerous viruses.

  193. @MarLuc7

    No Planes = No Hijackers = …. an obliteration of the entire 9/11 Commission Report and the entire 9/11 Truther Movement; making all discussions irrelevant.

    Actually …. NOT. The discussions are still very relevant.

    The ‘Real Planes used on 9/11’ theory also easily obliterates the 9/11 Commission Report and is in accordance with the ‘No Hijackers’ hypothesis.

    As for this comment of yours :

    Knowing No Planes were used leads to the conclusion that we now have mass murderers that killed thousands of American Citizens and WALK this earth FREELY today.

    The ‘Real Planes’ theory demonstrates this equally as well (if not better) – as Christopher Bollyn’s world leading research amply demonstrates.

  194. @MarLuc7

    I’m agnostic about it.. but I also know that the building was held up by its steel skin.. and aluminum vs steel is almost a joke. Those steel columns acted like a cheese graiter

  195. @Liosnagcat

    In agnostic.. but I think you can see tentacles of smoke racing ahead of the collapse.. those were at free fall speed.

  196. @Iris

    This contorted yarn is actually a great debunking of many 911trutherist yarns. You are certainly correct that damage to WTC 7 caused by the earlier collapses was important. To the extent that anyone has made any coherent criticisms of the NIST report on WTC 7, it really just boils down to the fact that NIST seems to downplay the role of such damage and views the collapse as simply due to the effects of fires in the building. Although such fires were important, they are probably not a sufficient explanation without taking into account the effects of damage to the building that was caused by the earlier collapses of the Twin Towers.

    But it really comes off as absurd to suggest that Silverstein was forced into demolishing WTC 7 without this having been the original plan, simply because of the damage inflicted on the latter by the effects of the Twin Tower collapses, and he was never able to publicly acknowledge this. It would have been quite easy for Silverstein to justify to the public at large the demolition of WTC 7 with the argument that it was done for public safety. The only reason that Silverstein could have for wanting to lie about WTC 7 having been demolished deliberately after the attack is if he had somehow planted all of the explosives in the building with the intent to bring it down before the attack began. Then he would have a motive to want to lie about bombs being used to bring WTC 7 down. Otherwise, he could just say in public, “Yeah, we planted bombs in WTC 7 and blew it up because we saw that the building was damaged and might have collapsed a day later if we hadn’t done it then.”

    The simplest explanation of the collapse which is consistent with what you yourself have recited above is that it was not entirely due to fires, the way that NIST makes it sound, but also involved damage which the building had suffered when the Twin Towers collapsed. The collapse of WTC 7 took about 18 seconds according to seismographic readings, which is not at all a free-fall collapse. No demolition charges needed to be planted in WTC 7 by Silverstein or anyone else.

    • Replies: @Iris
  197. @Iris

    As others have noted already, the collapses of the Towers show a top-down form which does not match with one single devastating explosion occurring under the base of the buildings. In fact, a significant core at the bottom floors remained intact after the collapse debris had been cleared away. There were even reports of people surviving at the very lower levels and subsequently being dug out and rescued. Such survivors would have been impossible if basement nukes had gone off underneath the buildings. The sheer level of heat alone would have caused anyone trapped in the bottom layers of the Towers to be fried to a crisp, even if the structure of the lower floors was not totally blown apart by the basement nukes.

    Like with your other comments about WTC 7, you’re basically building a debunkers case here. You argue at great length that a conventional demolition would not have been so easy to set up. Then you shift to the basement nukes line as the new explanation. But the latter is gibberish and so we are left with the more logical scenario that the buildings just collapses from the impact of the planes.

  198. @Anon

    The NYT a few weeks before 9/11 this article about the mossad agents gelatin B “art”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/18/nyregion/balcony-scene-unseen-atop-world-episode-trade-center-assumes-mythic-qualities.html

    End 2016 in Amsterdam I saw their ring leader Tex Rubinowitz in the only left over kosher j. sandwich shop “Sal Meyer ” / on a very rainy evening

    ( Rubinowitz was the only person sitting near the window / I came in with a white rose I just bought & wanted to give to the owner & his wife (daughter ?) behind the bar / meant as a sign of atonement / since I became very anti nwo jwo etc. after my first visit / they refused / I replied no pakkie samson tabacco for you then / meaning no samson option / saw there was a large mural yellow sandy colored building / a temple….After 2 minutes I left

    Rubinowitz popped up that night in my esp xyz ora @ labora fact tory / I picked him up in the Leipziger Buchmesse / nxt shot the roof of the Twin Towers / handed him a dagger / cut your self in 3000 pieces which he did)

    Had been there once before / in 1980 / breakfast / after a heavy sag night / got very emotional when I saw the yarmulk on the head of the fellow sandwich fresser / beside me / “was into holocaustianity that time”

    Florian Reither one of the 911 mossad art crew Dec. 201o ( Rubinowitz still Diesseits ? / Sal Meyer closed after 40 years in December 2016)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/arts/design/gelatin-excrement-sculptures.html

    I have been living in Valencia Spain for 4 yrs /during that time this Entartete Kunst exhibition was in Rotterdam / where I was born / the Museum Boymans website did not showthe 9/11 B thing in their c.v./ I went there in 2022 / now the B thing is mentioned…

    Pls read my comment at https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=263848 as Gabreal Jones ( my other pen name ) on January 19, 2023 at 7:00 pm

    Not only the fake j.’s of the s.o.s. synagogue of satan falsify history and live in a stolen house build on quicksand….

    ….. Bobby Fischer on that plane was right / the white US populace is similar to the fake j. settlers in the slc …

    Even if this recent tasering would be a psy op / false flag to divide & rule / ochestrated by the u no who / the social reality in todays USA / jewSA is that black lives don’t matter to the masonic US police which gets its training btw in the presentday Tel Aviv territory by mossad institute idf / coaches / “kill those kushis”

    And Nike etc defund types like Kanye West & others who discover their black Hebrew roots

    H.A.N.D. Have A Nice Day

    CIA O

    • Thanks: Iris, Chuck Orloski
  199. Iris says:
    @Patrick McNally

    It would have been quite easy for Silverstein to justify to the public at large the demolition of WTC 7 with the argument that it was done for public safety.

    No.

    Because, considering how fast it was done and without any visible human intervention, Silverstein would then have had to admit that WTC7 had a pre-existing embedded demolition system. Which would have in turn implied that a similar demolition scheme was likely included in the Twin Towers as well, confirming the very correct suspicions of controlled demolition, and Silverstein’s overwhelming responsibility in the Holocaust of 3000 innocents.

    Having fully established, as so many other commenters did before me, that your Hasbara cognitive and deductive abilities are inexistent, I will leave it at that.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  200. @Iris

    Thank you for the reply, Iris. You are obviously much more optimistic about the outcome of this crime of the 21st century than I am!

    As I mentioned before, what good does it do to know everything – the absolute truth, that is – about the events of September 11, when it is impossible to get a judge to hear the case in a court of law?

    Thank you.

    • Thanks: Iris
  201. Anon[482] • Disclaimer says:
    @skrik

    After reading many of your postings where you cut and pasted articles written by others it simply appears you are attempting to obfuscate any information contrary to your own agenda.

    Otherwise please help me understand just what your point might be. “Nutter” assertions without actual proof are a bit subjective aren’t they?

    Aside from that, one fails to see how a crater in a desert compares to a cityscape. Do you understand that a crater was created to contain the building? Hell you’ve even included “nutter” Khalezov’s diagrams showing this purpose.

    And maybe you can explain just why they called in the NNSA? Are we supposed to accept that the DOE is the one to call for rescue operations assistance?

    You claim “3. No ‘dustify’”. So what is this?

    <a title=”"https://gdb.voanews.com/gdb.voanews.comhttps://gdb.voanews.com/gdb.voanews.com/1600B42A-7C0F-46AF-BD3F-B155C74E6775_cx0_cy8_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg” >

    or this:

    You claim “no planes”. If this wasn’t the cause, and if any “nutter” theories weren’t the cause, then what made the buildings fall after, technically, a brief period of time?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @skrik
  202. Sparkon says:
    @Zane

    It wasn’t a fighter jet. It was a passenger plane. A 737

    Please get basic facts straight before running your keyboard. There were no Boeing 737s involved on 9/11.

    The aircraft alleged to have crashed into the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001 were both Boeing 767s, flight numbers AA11 and UA175.

    The aircraft alleged to have crashed into the Pentagon (AA77) and into the ground at Shanksville (UA93) were both Boeing 757s.

    The only known reference to a 737 on 9/11 came from supposed eyewitness and CNN employee Sean Murtagh:

    [Vince] CELLINI: Yes, Sean, you are on the air right now. Go ahead. What you can tell us?

    [Sean] MURTAGH: I just witnessed a plane that appeared to be cruising at slightly lower-than-normal altitude over New York City, and it appears to have crashed into — I don’t know which tower it is — but it hit directly in the middle of one of the World Trade Center towers.

    [Carol] LIN: Sean, what kind of plane was it? Was it a small plane, a jet?

    MURTAGH: It was a jet. It looked like a two-engine jet, maybe a 737.

    LIN: You are talking about a large passenger commercial jet.

    MURTAGH: A large passenger commercial jet.

    LIN: Where were you when you saw this?

    MURTAGH: I am on the 21st floor of 5 Penn Plaza.

    LIN: Did it appear that the plane was having any difficulty flying?

    MURTAGH: Yes, it did. It was teetering back and forth, wingtip to wingtip, and it looks like it crashed into, probably, 20 stories from the top of the World Trade Center, maybe the 80th to 85th floor. There is smoke billowing out of the World Trade Center.

    LIN: Sean, what happened next? Does it appear to you that the plane is still inside the World Trade Center?

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

    Nice leading question by Carol Lin, who had no reason to suppose that the airplane went into the building, and no statement from Murtagh suggesting that it did.

    Murtagh said the airplane was “teetering back and forth, wingtip to wingtip,” allegedly while traveling close to 500 mph at about 1,000 feet altitude.

    Yeah, right.

  203. @Ron Unz

    .The article got off to a pretty good start when it appeared that the author was content as I have been, to believe that Mossad probably could have done more to prevent the 9/11 attacks than it did. OK, the warnings it undoubtedly gave may have been framed so as to provoke no immediate response. No reasonable person would deny that, without wanting 3000 people to be killed, many Israelis would have been delighted at the idea of jihadist planes being flown into American buildings.

    Then he speculated about possible reasons to believe some of the more far-fetched truther fantasies and dubious possible facts and I can’t be bothered to return to sifting much minutiae when I have something for you which just might impinge on some of the insouciant near certainties you have affirmed without your ever admitting that some of your earliest expressions of views about the Hows and Whys of what you were sure was a non Al Qaeda operation. (Though I hope you have given up the naive view that OnL would not have denied his part in the events of 9/11 if his terrorist organisation had been responsible)

    Now, after 20 years, I have something to proffer you as a link that should make you rethink your early views. You will find d I the last half of

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/john-howard-osama-bin-laden-declassified-/14100776

    an account of the now declassified cache of documents found in ObL’s Abbatobad house when he was killed. For most of the interview I had to be content with the idea that his responsibility for 9/ 11 was such a given that it didn’t need to be discussed. I had to be content with the idea of suggesting to you that there was apparently nothing in letters or other records where one would have expected it about discussions as to how blame could be attributed to Israel or to Arab enemies even if it was decided to leave bad enough alone and leave trouble making to American truthers. But then, in the last few minutes reference is made to what seems to be clear evidence that ObL was responsible for the plan to fly planes into buildings. There can be no question of the interviewed academic having been put-up to promote a false story.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  204. Wokechoke says:
    @Shamu

    A deep dive in the American finances shows that there were Jews financing the Continentals and that indeed expat Poles (Cavalry officers) and Polish-Jews (bankers) in Washington’s entourage knew each other well enough.

  205. @Trinity

    5 Dancing Shlomos

    Incidentally, they were treated as returning heros (like Jonathan Pollard) in Israel. They did the round of talk show appearances, during one of which, on live TV, when asked what they were doing in New Jersey that day, said, “We were there to record the event.,”

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Patrick McNally
  206. @Truth Vigilante

    Be careful, we’re all watching you. Let’s hope you’ll refrain from doing so in future on behalf of your Talmudic benefactors

    .

  207. tanabear says:
    @MarLuc7

    I also think something went wrong with WTC 7 conventional demolition wiring. The massive shock wave coming up through the connecting tunnels probably damaged the wiring circuits of the installed demolition schema. And the perps could not detonate WTC 7 at the exact time of the other two detonations. WTC7 was suppose to fall simultaneously and be hidden in the dust clouds:

    This is probably correct. It is likely that WTC7 was meant to be brought down soon after the collapse of WTC1. This is when the huge clouds of dust and debris covered the building and people fled the scene after the Twin Towers collapsed. WTC1 collapsed at 10:28AM and videographers did not return to the area until about 11:00AM. So within this time period would have been the perfect time to bring down WTC7. Interestingly, there is an actual report of a building collapse by a CNN reporter about this time.

    Alan Dodds Frank (11:07AM): Aaron, just two or three minutes ago there was yet another collapse or explosion. I’m now out of sight, Good Samaritan has taken me in on Duane Street. But at a quarter to 11:00 there was another collapse or explosion following the 10:30 collapse of the second tower. And a firefighter who rushed by us estimated that 50 stories went down. The street filled with smoke. It was like a forest fire roaring down a canyon.
    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.11.html

    WTC7 was 47 stories so 50 stories is very likely to be a reference to WTC7. A quarter to 11AM would have put the collapse at 10:45AM. This would have been the perfect time and was likely the original plan. Obviously, the building did not collapse at this time so they had to create a cover story (fire) to explain the collapse. It should be noted that the first fires were not actually seen in WTC7 until after 12PM.

    • Replies: @MarLuc7
  208. Treg says:

    Just cut to the chase, the DOD planned a hit on their own pentagon to annihilate the financial records divisions that hat the facts on the 3.1 trillion dollar missing monies. Mossad agents got wind of this false flag and planned their own false flag event that they had been dreaming about for 10 years on the twin towers. The only ones shocked about a second false flag were those inside the DOD, GW Bush, Donald Rumsfield etal and of course all those people who lost their lives.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  209. Trinity says:
    @Vito Klein

    That alone SHOULD and WOULD be enough for a HEALTHY nation to go after the Dancing 5 and deport all Jews within their nation. Celebrating the mass murder of thousands of innocent victims, knowing of the planned attack and preparing to film it instead of reporting it to authorities. They should have been at the very least brought to trial in America.

    • Agree: Sam Hildebrand
  210. Rurik says:
    @Treg

    the 3.1 trillion dollar missing monies.

    2.3 trillion and 1 trillion

    “the two sums disappeared under Zakheim’s watch”

    all the false flag were all orchestrated at the top by the same people

    there are no ‘rogues’ running around doing their own thing. All of it was signed off on by Cheney and Ehud Barak and other top players.

    and rabbi Zakheim was definitely one of those top players

    https://ahtribune.com/us/israelgate/2358-dov-zakheim.html

    good, (if long) introduction to 9/11 here

    check out Dubya at the end, lecturing us all about lies and false piety

    I do hope there is a Hell, and I hope Dante’s nth’ is waiting..

    perhaps Dubya will find his buddy McBloodstain keeping the seat warm for him

  211. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    many Israelis would have been delighted at the idea of jihadist planes being flown into American buildings.

    wow lizard, you said something that is true!

  212. @Iris

    “WTC7 was most probably not destined to be demolished on that 9/11 day;”

    “Silverstein would then have had to admit that WTC7 had a pre-existing embedded demolition system.”

    So, which is it? Try to make up your mind. You don’t seem to think that WTC 7 was brought down by basement nukes. So, your line of reasoning implies that any demolition devices used were somehow set up quickly after the incident had started. But now that you speak of “a pre-existing embedded demolition system” that brings us back to the issue of whether or not you think that nukes brought WTC 7 down.

  213. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That “free fall speed” nonsense is based on analysis of grainy youtube videos.

    The resolution affects the degree of accuracy of the timing. Very slightly. But you don’t even need to time anything or rely on “resolution”.

    The fact that the tilt of the upper section of the south tower does not change is, according to rudimentary high school mechanics, proof there was NO countervailing force pushing up against it. If there was, it would twist / rotate.

    Take a pencil. Use your left hand to place it in your right hand at a slight angle. Let go with your left hand, but leave your right hand steady. It will tilt and fall into your right hand.

    Now let go, but drop your right hand away at that same instant. The pencil will fall but maintain its tilt and simply drop. Which is exactly what Newtonian mechanics predicts.

    TL;DR you’re either an imbecile, an egoist engaging in lawyerly pilpul over the specifics of “controlled demolition” (e.g. the outside falling away… ), or a literal spook. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume #2, esp given that you’re a Dawsonite.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Patrick McNally
  214. That Guy says:

    The kind of people who keep overlooking Israel’s doing the US dirty are the same people who’d keep forgiving an abusive partner.

  215. @Vito Klein

    > when asked what they were doing in New Jersey that day, said, “We were there to record the event.,”

    That misrepresents what was said. The way that you phrase “in New Jersey” makes it sound as if they knew everything which was going to happen well in advance. What they were actually talking about was being on top their van taking pictures after the event had occurred. Like everyone else who took pictures after the first attack, they “were there to document the event.” If you know of anyone who recorded films of the WTC collapses that morning, that person was “there to document the event.” The Israelis didn’t say a single thing that I could find which implied that they knew exactly what was going to occur before the first attack. They undoubtedly had some kind of intelligence information which suggested that an attack on the WTC was likely to occur soon. The Mossad chiefs certainly gave some type of information to the CIA, though one can always speculate that they may have known more than they revealed. But that particular interview which you are citing did not contain any suggestion that these 5 Israelis simply knew what was going to happen when they first landed in New Jersey. It only implied that they drove their truck into position “to document the event” after the first attack.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  216. Rurik says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Thanks Pierre,

    I tried to check a little, and found this gem

    So Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau tapped Walt Disney — who was already heavily involved in making films to boost the war effort — to crash-produce The New Spirit, a motivational film explaining income taxes to Americans in 1942.

    https://time.com/5239332/tax-day-2018-history/

    the only reason ‘Walt Disney’ was “heavily involved in making films to boost the war effort”, was because ZOG, (a perhaps more perfect personification of ZOG- it would be impossible to find better than Morgenthau), had commandeered by force of arms, his studio and his talent, and forced him to produce propaganda that went directly against his personal views.

    reminded me of this quote

    To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

    Thomas Jefferson

    So thanks for that information about how they eventually co-opted Disney, even if Walt did enjoy a brief time during the fifties. (perhaps that’s one reason why the fifties seemed to be the pinnacle of American culture, before it all degenerated into what it is today).

  217. @Paul Smith

    Not to mention building seven that just blew up on its own. Or that there was no aircraft wreckage ever found at the Pentagon, or that the last plane mysteriously exploded as soon as it was clear the passengers were going to regain control, or that jet fuel can’t melt steel, or that the joooish owner of the towers had just increased his insurance, or the dancing Israelis. Nothing to see here goyim. It’s just another coincidence…

  218. aandrews says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “I don’t know why people say that the destruction of WTC 1 and 2 looked like controlled demolitions.”

    They both fell straight down onto their footprint. Both of them, 1500 ft buildings. Not that one fell perfectly and the other kinda veered sideways. They wanted to the keep the mess to a minimum. Then the “mess” (crime scene evidence) was immediately hauled away and dumped in the sea. Not before, of course, just happening to find the drivers license of one of the ragheads in debris in the street.

    People believe it was essentially a controlled demolition because it’s obvious

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  219. @Iris

    Problem with “Mini-Nukes”, “Small-Nukes”, “Sophisticated-Nukes”, “Rudimentary-Nukes”, “Undetectable-Nukes” as well as all sorts of “Unknown-Nukes” is RADIATION-EXPOSURE to all people working or living within the vicinity.

    Bringing in nuclear-explosion argument is a form of mental-distraction-mechanism to continue unnecessary post-writings by commenters who fail to admit that they do not really know what really happened.

    To this date, I have not found or known a theoretical physicist who claimed to have developed any given size of nuclear-device that DOES NOT emit radiation for a period of time after successful detonation.

    Even underground nuclear (or thermonuclear) bomb-testings contaminate surrounding areas with the emission of ionizing radiation or particles caused by the spontaneous disintegration of atomic nuclei.

    “How does nuclear testing affect the ocean?

    Additionally, charge detonation away from the target can result in damage over a larger hull area. Underwater nuclear tests close to the surface can disperse radioactive water and steam over a large area, with severe effects on marine life, nearby infrastructures and humans.”

    “How does nuclear testing adversely affect marine life?

    The eggs and larvae of marine organisms are especially sensitive to radiation, according to experts. Affected animals could pass the exposure up the food chain. The test could also have damaging and long-lasting effects on humans and other wildlife if the radioactive fallout reaches land.”

    But, I am not supposed to write those facts to the commenters at the Unz Review.

    Because, the Unz Review apparently has a hidden agendum for the promotion of imbeciles!

    So, we will always read imbecilic comments like “Mini-Nukes”, “Small-Nukes”, “Sophisticated-Nukes”, “Rudimentary-Nukes”, “Undetectable-Nukes” or all sorts of “Unknown-Nukes” were used to destroy the NYC World Trade Center buildings on September 11, 2001.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Truth Vigilante
  220. @Ummmpph!

    It all started with the enlightenment movement and the French revolution.

  221. @Truth Vigilante

    Both Putin and Xi are shills too. Putin was an ex member of the KGB, a masonic controlled secret service.

  222. https://www.madcowprod.com/2004/10/22/ten-more-things-you-never-knew-about-mohamed-atta/

    Atta was shacked-up with an employee of Publix Supermarket in a second floor apartment across the street from Venice, Florida airport which was owned by a dutchman.

    Atta and his pals were all over Hell and half of Georgia (including the sugar cane fields near Belle Glade, Florida) seeking flying g instructions from companies spraying the sugar cane fields.

    Bush was in a kindergarten school in Venice, Florida when the attack occurred and he stayed in the classroom reading a kiddie book before finally leaving the school.

    Even though almost all flights had been banned after 911, Dubya allowed Saudi family and friends to fly out of America without being questioned by the spooks.

    The Bin Ladens had family living in and around Sarasota County Florida and one prominent and wealthy family simply left their home (near Tampa as I recall) just prior to 911.

    Hopsicker had done a lot of reporting on the Venice airport and its connections to drug smuggling and that is where he ran into the Mo Atta info – Atta also was at a nightclub on Palm Beach Florida shortly before 911 and I know the FBI questioned at least one woman (she worked for JP Morgan on the island) cos she appeared on the video when atta was recorded there – she had noting to do with him.

    For some reason, the Saudis have been excluded from the connections trying to be developed by the rabbit holes.

    I’m too lazy to do it myself but I imagine if one were to go to the WayBack machine and search for Hopsicker and the MadCow Morning news you might turn up some interesting info.

    I used to have links to it (I had family living near Venice Florida and I saw where Mo Atta lived etc) but it has been scrubbed from google

  223. @TruthSeeker88

    If President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was an ordinary foreign-intelligence officer of the Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti, then President George Herbert Walker Bush was the decorated-head of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

  224. Iris says:
    @Face_The_Truth

    Because, the Unz Review apparently has a hidden agendum for the promotion of imbeciles!

    Sure. And you are undoubtedly one of the most shining jewels in the Unz Review’s crown of cretins, so I’ll keep it simple:

    When the device being tested is buried at sufficient depth, the nuclear explosion may be contained, with NO release of radioactive materials to the atmosphere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_weapons_testing#:~:text=When%20the%20device%20being%20tested%20is%20buried%20at,of%20the%20test%20is%20vaporised%2C%20forming%20a%20cavity.

  225. @Iris

    “When the device being tested is buried at sufficient depth, the nuclear explosion may be contained, with NO release of radioactive materials to the atmosphere.”

    You are very good at wasting people’s time especially when I need to head for home on a Friday late afternoon!

    The sentence you’ve quoted, please read that sentence again and again a few more times.

    Because, that sentence implies that, if Indian govt. needs to test nuclear device(s) that it does not want any foreign govt. to track, it can do so by carrying out the tests in the deepest underground possible to avoid detection.

    That means, no foreign enemy would know what Indian govt. was up to as was the case of “Smiling Buddha” in 1974.

    But, here in New York City we are talking about pulling down skyscrapers in broad-daylight where supposedly sufficiently-buried nuclear device(s) must explode to spread extremely high energy upward to weaken and melt the entire steel-concrete structures where extremely high or unimaginable heat associated with unavoidable radiation must come upward.

    • Replies: @Iris
  226. Iris says:
    @Face_The_Truth

    sufficiently-buried nuclear device(s) must explode to spread extremely high energy upward to weaken and melt the entire steel-concrete

    Unbelievable.

    An underground nuclear detonation produces several types of effects.

    It is obviously not the heat effect of underground detonations that was used to destroy the Twin Towers. The heat effect is a slow process with very long time constants, in the order of months. It manifests itself much later, after days of the explosion.

    Like ALL other experiment of Project Plowshare, it is the quasi-instantaneous pressure shockwave, or “blast” in layman term, in the millions of psi, that was used to disintegrate the Towers. It progresses in nanoseconds.

    Also, congratulations for confusing an underwater detonation with an underground detonation. Confusing the property of an open liquid milieu with that of a solid ground is quite the exploit, even by usual trolls’ standards.

    You really are a first-class cretin, you are getting closer to become the top Unz Review performer of your league.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  227. MarLuc7 says:
    @tanabear

    Alan Dodds Frank (11:07AM): Aaron, just two or three minutes ago there was yet another collapse or explosion. I’m now out of sight, Good Samaritan has taken me in on Duane Street. But at a quarter to 11:00 there was another collapse or explosion following the 10:30 collapse of the second tower. And a firefighter who rushed by us estimated that 50 stories went down. The street filled with smoke. It was like a forest fire roaring down a canyon.
    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.11.html

    Wow, what a great nugget of information. So the cover story was already released “And a firefighter who rushed by us estimated that 50 stories went down”.

    And of course we all TRUST the integrity and honor of an anonymous Firefighter rushing by, on his way to do heroic stuff.

    Just like the Harley Guy. So many well engineered “Eye Witness” Testimonies.

    I often wonder why, if the Jews were behind 9/11, why oh why would they use their New York Times Newspaper to publish 501 Oral Testamonies of the 9/11 Firefighters????

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

    Then I realized sprinkled among the group were supposed eyewitness testimonies of firefighters claiming to have seen the aircraft hit the building and other claiming to have seen Aircraft Wreckage and all of them interestingly enough used the term “Collapse” which was immediately used by all Mainstream Media shills as well.

    The script was already written and well rehearsed.

    Exploded, Explosions, Demolished, Demolitions, Imploded …..all replaced by the word “Collapse”.

    The level of mind control, brainwashing and gaslighting on 9/11 was incredible. It was indeed a Military Grade Psy-Ops.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  228. @Face_The_Truth

    Face_of_the_Untruth writes :

    So, we will always read imbecilic comments like “Mini-Nukes”, “Small-Nukes”, “Sophisticated-Nukes” ….. Because, the Unz Review apparently has a hidden agendum for the promotion of imbeciles!

    Look, there’s no question there are some imbeciles posting nonsense in this thread, and you’re among those leading the charge.

    Below is a ph0to of a structural steel member/I-beam that was ejected laterally from the WTC collapse (at a speed estimated to have been around 60 – 70 metres/second), that punctured and remained lodged in the American Express building several hundred feet away :

    Mr Untruthful_Face, do you have ANY idea how much force is required to launch a 5-6 tonne I-beam laterally at a speed of 60 -70 metres per second (ie: 216 – 252 km/hour or upward of 150 mph) ??

    NO conventional explosive (short of having MANY HUNDREDS/THOUSANDS OF TONNES of it), could duplicate that.
    ONLY a nuke has that explosive force.

    Secondly, that fine dust that had descended on NYC on that day was sampled (in fact many samples were taken in several locations in and around Ground Zero) and ALL of them were found to have elevated levels of certain isotopes of Strontium, Barium and other trace elements.

    To be sure, said isotopes of these elements are found in background levels just about anywhere – measured in parts per billion (or trillion) or some infinitesimally small amounts as as to render them harmless.

    However, in the dust sample collected on 9/11, the levels of said isotopes were elevated by HUNDREDS OF TIMES normal levels.

    FACT : The ONLY times said isotopes are found at these extremely elevated levels is in the aftermath of a NUCLEAR EVENT.

    There has never, EVER been an exception to that rule.

    Next, we come to the radiation effect of a nuclear event. Surely we’d have signs of that effect ?
    Now, many assume that since a disproportionate number of first responders are dying or have already died, that they must have gotten Mesothelioma from the asbestos that was abundant in the dust residue of the pulverised concrete of the WTC.

    WRONG !

    Very few of the first responders have in fact gotten Mesothelioma. The vast majority are succumbing to cancers of various descriptions.
    Statistically the most common cancers are breast cancers (for women) and prostate cancer (men).
    But first responders are not coming down with those (for the most part).

    Now I ask you, what is the most common type of cancer that is associated with these past events ? :

    1) The A-bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
    2) The Chernobyl incident
    3) The DU (Depleted Uranium) munitions saturation of Fallujah in Iraq

    Answer: Much elevated incidences of THYROID cancers and related cancers (eg; cancer of the oesophagus etc).

    FACT: Elevated levels of these cancers ONLY occur in the aftermath of a nuclear event.

    Next, have a look at this 1 min video titled ‘9/11 – The WTC Meteorites – Fused Concrete and Steel’:

    That’s a block of FUSED steel and concrete. that came from the rubble of the WTC.
    Do you have any idea what temperatures are required to fuse steel and concrete ?
    The melting point of steel is one or two thousand degrees Celsius above the combustion temperatures of jet fuel and concrete needs thousands more degrees to turn to liquid form.

    ONLY a nuclear event could generate these sort of temperatures. No conventional explosive (eg: RDX, PETN) could do that, no matter how many thousands of tonnes of said conventional explosive you had on hand.

    Lastly, I recommend UR reader get this book which I have read, titled ‘America Nuked on 9/11’ by Professor Emeritus Jim Fetzer and Mike Palecek :

    There are a lot of ignorant fools like you Mr Face_of_the_Untruth who have read a few books (and watched videos on You Tube) all written/produced by Zio obfuscators and disinfo peddlers, and you think you know everything about 9/11.
    The fact is, you don’t know sh*t.

    SUMMARY : Some commentators believe underground (sub-basement) nukes were detonated in the both of the towers. Others believe that mini-nukes were utilised in the floor by floor top to bottom demolition of the towers.
    Meanwhile, we know for certain that thermite and thermate was found in the dust residue so for certain these were also incorporated in the demolition – perhaps as a cutting charge to sever some of the load bearing columns in the lower sections of each building.

    I will admit that I DON’T KNOW with absolute certainty which of the two nuking techniques (either the sub basement variety or the mini nukes) were responsible for the bulk of the demolition process or if perhaps there may not even have been some conventional explosives utilised on the margin.

    But FOR CERTAIN usage of nukes was the main component of the WTC 1 & 2 demolition process.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Olivier1973
  229. dogismyth says:

    Great job guys. I love this site. Hopefully you’ll survive.

  230. @TruthSeeker88

    Both Putin and Xi are shills too. Putin was an ex member of the KGB, a masonic controlled secret service.

    I don’t doubt for a second that Putin and Xi are shills – SHILLS for humanity, morality and a multi-polar world of peace and tranquility.

    Only a fool would believe that Putin and Xi are beholden to the Zio miscreants.

    It is as CLEAR AS DAY that they are running their own race and are well on he way to bringing down ZOG. Anyone with eyes and ears can see that there has been :

    1) A multi-years programme of constant demonisation of Russia and China in the Zio owned MSM. (eg: RussiaGate in relation to Trump’s alleged stealing of the 2016 election) and trade restrictions/taxes applied to China during Trump’s tenure because they’re allegedly engaged in unfair trade (to name just two things among many).

    2) The Zio orchestrated Ukraine proxy war that is intended to destabilise/impoverish a rival hegemon.

    3) A Syrian civil war which Russia ended and thus deprived the Apartheid Israel state of a much sought after goal.
    (The Zio degenerates wanted Assad’s regime to topple and thus weaponry that was coming through Syria would be deprived to the Hezbollah Freedom Fighters in southern Lebanon.
    Hezbollah kicked the arses of the IDF in 2006 but, deprived of weaponry, Israel could march into southern Lebanon and annex the region for its plentiful water resources which the Zio illegal colonial settlers desperately seek – as a first step in the fulfillment of the Oded Yinon plan ).

    Bottom Line : EVERY thing that Putin and Xi does absolutely SCREAMS opposition to ZOG.

    Only a Vaxxed-to-the-Maxx, mask muzzling, slavish adherent to his Zionist Big Government overlords would believe otherwise.
    That description above, Mr UntruthSeeker, applies to you.

    • Replies: @smaragdus
  231. @Sam Hildebrand

    None of the three buildings were hit by planes. Aviation experts have already testified that Boeings of that type cannot posibly fly at high speed at low altitude. The shuddering of the plane would be that intense that it would break up. Filming planes at that low altitude would make them much better visible and recognisable. I live in the flight path of an international airport and can quite clearly see their colours, numbers etc . Have a look at the photos of the 9/11 planes, they are hardly visible. Mostly aluminium build plane can not possibly fly right THROUGH a concrete steel building. The pictures are fake and added later.

  232. Mr. Anon says:
    @aandrews

    They both fell straight down onto their footprint.

    Again – buildings generally fall straight down because that is the direction that gravity points. Buildings are not trees.

    However, WTC 1 and 2 didn’t look like any controlled demolition I’ve ever seen. The outer structure peeled outwards and dropped over a wide area around the base. Their collapse is perfectly compatible with structural damage caused by an airplane strike and subsequent fire.

    • Disagree: Yukon Jack
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Yukon Jack
  233. Mr. Anon says:
    @anon

    The fact that the tilt of the upper section of the south tower does not change is, according to rudimentary high school mechanics, proof there was NO countervailing force pushing up against it. If there was, it would twist / rotate.

    Proof! Proof, he says!

    You’re an idiot.

  234. Mr. Anon says:
    @Zane

    An aluminum airframe hitting a building made of thick structural steel beams? The airplane breaks apart on impact.

    You can shoot holes through metal with nylon pellets. It’s a question of speed. ANd it wasn’t just an aluminum airframe. It was aluminum wings full of an incompressible fluid (jet fuel), engines, landing-gear, etc.

    The building stands. Likewise aviation fuel fires can’t melt steel.

    When will you morons realize that it doesn’t have to “melt steel”. The strength of steel is a function of temperature. Heat it sufficiently and it loses strength.

    In any case a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level. The thing would disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC. Ask any aeronautical engineer.

    It wasn’t a 737. And, anyway…………..you’re wrong:

    An A320 at 350 (~ 400 mph) on the deck (at about 1900 feet). Doesn’t seem to have a problem.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Mike Tre
  235. Mr. Anon says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    In fact, anyone with even a modicum of a hard science background (ie: like a grasp of high school physics and Newton’s 3rd Law of motion), would KNOW that it seems impossible.

    I have way more than a “modicum” of such a background, and you are wrong.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  236. Mr. Anon says:
    @ivan

    The Mossad, the CIA, the Saudi Government, PNAC, the Bush Administration, and the Neocons never had such good allies as the “Truthers”, who wouldn’t know truth if it kicked them in the a**.

    • Replies: @Brad Anbro


  237. Video Link

    No planes on 911 / Pilot John Lear : hologram projections are used for psyops & strategic perception management

    NASA Blue Beam project / try this more sophisticated one :



    Video Link

    7.11 Seatlle USA /2021

    Chemtrails & the thousands of satellites of Elon Mask are also used for a worldwide hologram show facilitating the One World Religion project of the NWO / alien invasion & other porno / welcome to theaterearth / don’t believe the hype…

    CIA O

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
  238. @anon

    First of all, there is evidence of the Towers doing some twisting in the course of collapse. At the top of this page

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110215112013/http://www.debunking911.com/

    there is a photograph taken by Gulnara Samoilova (who “was there to document the event”) which shows the South Tower beginning to collapse. You can see the twisting already starting. But a skyscraper like the South Tower is not like a ballpoint pen. If you try to stand the latter up and then let it go, it will immediately fall to the side in some random direction. With a structure like the South Tower, once it begins breaking apart like this then it keeps on disintegrating, and you don’t have a constant twisting effect. After some initial twisting, which we see documented in the photograph, the whole mess just falls straight down in a giant heap.

  239. @Contraviews

    > a concrete steel building.

    Where do you get this from? Most descriptions of the Towers which I find say that:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110303191043/http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm

    “The towers were steel without concrete. The towers perimeter steel walls were held in place by the trusses and those trusses were connected to the perimeter columns by small bolts.”

    What basis do you have for characterizing any of the Towers as “a concrete steel building”?

  240. @Zane

    “In any case a 737 cannot fly at 500 mph at 1000 feet above sea level. The thing would disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC. Ask any aeronautical engineer.”

    While engineers would very likely advise against deliberately flying that way, that does not mean that it would really “disintegrate long before hitting any building in NYC.” It just means that anyone who flies that way is at best taking a suicidal risk. But if someone is planning to commit suicide for Allah anyway, then there’s a reasonable chance that the plane will hold together long enough to complete the mission.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  241. @MarLuc7

    MarLuc7 wrote: “I often wonder why, if the Jews were behind 9/11, why oh why would they use their New York Times Newspaper to publish 501 Oral Testamonies of the 9/11 Firefighters????”

    Thanks for your excellent presentation of the “script.”

    IMHO, Israel and their high level ZUS conspirators, and Jewish Controlled Media, were confident that the vast majority of dumb goyim would be compliant and think exactly like the evil Netanyahu desired, “(9/11) was good for the Israel.”

  242. @Mr. Anon

    How dare you question Truth Vigilante : the Great One !

    He is the in-house, scholar-in-residence on everything. He is our very oracle ; the suppository of all right-thinking.

    He is always correct and beyond doubt.

    Please therefore moderate your tone !

    • LOL: Sam Hildebrand
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  243. @Patrick McNally

    Maybe you have a point there, but to fly such a massive disintegrating crate, at such speed, at such low altitude, incorporating wild turns and sudden approaches, with the entire contingent of passengers trying like mad to break down the cockpit door, would take a pilot of the caliber of, say Chuck Yeager, not some stoned, banged-up Arab boys with 10 hours in Florida on a Cessna,

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  244. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Again – buildings generally fall straight down because that is the direction that gravity points. Buildings are not trees.

    That would be true if buildings were freely levitating above ground, and gravity was suddenly applied to them. But they are not. Not on our planet anyway.

  245. Sparkon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You can shoot holes through metal with nylon pellets.

    For a guy who claims to have some kind of hard science background, you sure are vague and sloppy with your numbers and your presentation, and also illogical and misleading with your arguments.

    Nylon pellets were not involved on 9/11. The only question here with respect to materials and 9/11 is the ability of aluminum or aluminum alloy to penetrate steel.

    It can’t be done.

    There is a reason knives, bullets, screwdrivers, wrenches, hammers, bridges and skyscrapers are not fabricated or constructed from aluminum, other than for cladding. It’s too light, too soft and too weak.

    Aluminum and its alloys are used to build airplanes because those metals are light enough that the airplane can fly, and strong enough to deal with the air at speed, but little else.

    At speed, even birds smash right through the cardboard-thin aluminum skin of a jetliner.

    All true Scotsmen Americans and anyone with a lick of sense have known from the beginning that those 767s could not possibly have flown right through the steel box-column structures enclosing the Twin Towers like a cage, let alone knock those skyscrapers down.

    The impossible feat was rendered in several obviously fake videos purporting to show UA175 slicing into WTC 2 like the renowned hot knife into butter, before it disappeared in its hidey hole within the skyscraper, just as CNN’s Carol Lin had suggested for AA11.

    And then a little later, so the story goes, Edna Citron climbed over that magic wreckage of AA11 in WTC 1 to stand at the edge of the coyote- I mean airplane-shaped hole to wave at the crowd, or something, before she jumped…

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  246. Mike Tre says:
    @Mr. Anon

    An aluminum airframe hitting a building made of thick structural steel beams? The airplane breaks apart on impact.

    You can shoot holes through metal with nylon pellets. It’s a question of speed. ANd it wasn’t just an aluminum airframe. It was aluminum wings full of an incompressible fluid (jet fuel), engines, landing-gear, etc.”

    This shocking failure to understand simple physical science is pretty much what has most of the 9/11 alternate explanation crowd unknowingly discrediting themselves.

    Velocity is everything. A 62 grain 5.56 round traveling at 3000 fps has more penetrating force than a 230 grain .45 traveling at 845 fps.

    It’s almost 1/4th the weight but traveling 350% faster.

    So fully fueled passenger plane traveling 400 mph is pretty much going to penetrate anything man made.

    You tried Mr. A. I suggest saving yourself the aggravation at this point.

    • Agree: Sam Hildebrand, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Mr. Anon
  247. @Rurik

    This line of argument brings up another issue which is similar to some things around the Covid vax arguments. I myself have abstained from the Covid vax because I usually expect the development of a real vaccine to take a few years, not be rammed through in one year. The arguments around this Covid vax have been so saturated with politics that I am all the more wary of running to take something which was first denounced by Biden/Harris when they thought that Trump might remain President, then pushed full throttle once Trump was out of office. I’ve generally just avoided taking the vax while staying away from too much conspiracy-theorizing about it.

    Anyway, there’s a whole body of conspiratology on the vax which says that it is the Jewish tool against the Goyim. But then the issue comes up about what exactly has been applied in Israel. Some conspiratologists say that the Israeli vax is really just saline. But then others have argued that whatever evidence may exist that the vax contains health risks, supposedly the same problems have shown in Israel. Then there are some conspiratologists who will claim that while the vax really is meant as a tool of Jews against Goyim, the top Jews were still willing to inject a bunch of Israelis with the bad vax as part of the conspiracy. It all gets pretty convoluted.

    Anyway, if one going to imply that Larry Silverstein was deliberately conspiring to blow asbestos all over New York City, then you have to at least allow that many of the victims would be Jewish. Do you believe that that was really part of a conspiracy made by Silverstein and Netanyahu? I can see how Netanyahu might not mind having a few New York liberal Jews get blown up by some Arab terrorists. But the whole idea he would want to deliberately engineer something like scattering asbestos all over New York City seems a bit overstretched. If asbestos were mysteriously dumped in a small town in Kentucky somewhere, then you might have a plausible case that this was done by Jews seeking to dispose of something inconvenient. But with the destruction in New York City it seems unlikely that any real Zionist would want to carelessly create such a mess.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  248. skrik says:
    @Anon

    Dunning-Kruger wikipedia
    Definition. The Dunning–Kruger effect is defined as the tendency of people with low ability in a specific area to give overly positive assessments of this ability. This is often understood as a cognitive bias, i.e. as a systematic tendency to engage in erroneous forms of thinking and judging.

    Managing the Dunning-Kruger effect
    1. People with Dunning-Kruger effect symptoms don’t respond well to negative feedback, as they see themselves as experts, so don’t argue with them…

  249. @Psychotic Break

    Why would passengers banging on a locked door matter? OK, if the passengers are really strong enough to break the door down then that might create a problem. But if the plane is flying wildly then it’s not likely that they will have any chance to do this. It’s also not obvious why the skill of a pilot should matter in regard to whether or not the plane breaks up. A pilot’s skill may determine whether or not he hits a given target. But if the plane is aimed successfully at a target then whether or not the plane busts apart from a high speed should be independent of the pilot’s skill.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  250. @Truth Vigilante

    Aren’t you afraid of being mugged by the “into its own footprint” mob?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  251. @Patrick McNally

    You’re right, of course.

    The skill of the pilot has absolutely no bearing on this.

    So, yes, stoned Arab boys must have done it.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  252. @Psychotic Break

    There’s no evidence to support this description of “stoned Arab boys.” See Terry McDermott, Perfect Soldiers, for profiles of the hijackers.

    https://tmcdermott.com/perfect-soldiers/

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  253. @Patrick McNally

    OK, you win.

    The Jewish rulers had absolutely nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, or after.

    Jeez, what on Earth was I thinking?

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  254. @Iris

    The heat effect is a slow process with very long time constants, in the order of months.

    The heat effect is instantaneous together with the blast effect. If the blast was powerful enough to destroy the steel frame of the buildings, how is that that the windows were not destroyed at once following the blast wave?

    You really are a first-class cretin, you are getting closer to become the top Unz Review performer of your league.

    Your favourite ad personam fallacy. Your hate is too visible.

  255. @Mr. Anon

    Please don’t judge everyone by yourself.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  256. Quote:

    “Anyway, if one going to imply that Larry Silverstein was deliberately conspiring to blow asbestos all over New York City, then you have to at least allow that many of the victims would be Jewish”

    I do not believe that the money-grubbing Jews which were involved in 9/11 would have had ANY aversion to sacrificing a few “of their own.” Do some research on the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire and you will learn that some of the casualties were also sacrificed, thanks to the actions of the factory’s Jewish owners.

    Thanki you.

    • Agree: Iris, Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  257. Iris says:
    @Mike Tre

    This shocking failure to understand simple physical science is pretty much what has most of the 9/11 alternate explanation crowd unknowingly discrediting themselves.

    Thank you. You highlight a very important point that keeps coming up over and again.

    On the particulars question of whether a commercial aircraft can penetrate a steel structure, the Zio PTB’s and their media on short leash PRETEND that it is a very complicated and unheard-off technical issue. It is not.

    The problem of whether a commercial aircraft can penetrate a building structure has been studied since the 1960’s, through a physics model called the Riera model.

    This special theoretical civil engineering model was created in 1968 to predict the consequences of a plane impact on a building. It is a staple in the engineering of nuclear plants in particular, which must be protected by design against terrorist attacks, and is mandated by the AEIA.

    The aircraft’s kinetic energy is transformed into plastic strain energy that deforms the rigid target wall. There is no question of the aircraft piercing the structure and sailing across it as allegedly happened at the WTC.

    The validity of the Riera model is so important for nuclear safety that in 1988, the Sandia Laboratories conducted an experiment crashing an F-4 jet into a large concrete barrier, creating the opportunity to check and prove that Riera’s approach was correct.

    This model is constantly revisited and improved; see this last iteration by Chinese scientists made in 2015:

    Revisiting Riera’s model about malevolent aircraft impinging against a rigid target

    https://daneshyari.com/article/preview/296038.pdf

    So if members of the wider scientific community were FREE to discuss this issue, since it was raised by many Material Science professionals, they would be running the Riera model to try and prove whether a flimsy, hollow aluminium plane could really have penetrated a sturdy structural steel Twin Tower.

    The problem is NOT that Truthers try to apply science to resolving the 9/11 riddle: science is the only common and unchallengeable universal knowledge that could allow to indisputably establish what really happened.

    The problem si that the PTB’s implicitly forbid having any educated discussion within panels’ of scientists on any 9/11-related topic.

    But no explanation, political, scientific, analytical, geopolitical can break the MSM Iron Wall and terrorist censorship anyway. All these approaches were tried, with dire consequences for the Truthers. If people in the West don’t question how 3 Towers could be brought down with just 2 “planes”, then the West intellectual and democratic principles are just non-existent anymore.

    The Truth will out, but it will come out from outside the West, thanks to scientists in the Global South, and in particular those countries destroyed by the 9/11 Zionist false flag.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  258. Rurik says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Anyway, if one going to imply that Larry Silverstein was deliberately conspiring to blow asbestos all over New York City, then you have to at least allow that many of the victims would be Jewish.

    …to deliberately engineer something like scattering asbestos all over New York City seems a bit overstretched.

    I highly doubt that they wanted to spread the asbestos all over Lower Manhattan in any kind of deliberate intent to do harm. If it harmed the goyim, then a silver(stein) lining, but as you point out, the concentration of Jews living and working around Lower Manhattan, would have been concerning, if we weren’t talking about a stone-cold psychopath.

    Larry Silberstein and his cohort were and are clinical psychopaths. That means that when the calculations boil down to what’s good (a few billion$) for Lucky Larry / vs. the horrific death of others, (yes, including some lower level Jewish financiers and restaurateurs and so forth), then when it comes to making such calculations, compassion or even tribal fealty, does not even enter into the equation. Big Jews like Lucky (and his close friend – they spoke on the phone on a weekly basis), Bibi, don’t really give a rip about the fate of the little Jews, who they consider expendable to the grandiose schemes and exaltation of their betters; the big Jews like Bibi and Lucky.

    Big Jews consider little Jews to be their chumps. Willing to send money and support to the big Jews, because of the ‘do what’s good for the Jews’, claptrap, while the big Jews laugh at and take the shekels and impose policies that are often very damaging for the little Jews.

    That was obvious during WWII, when the big Jews were making nice with Hitler, to persecute the little Jews, to get them to emigrate to Palestine, for the agenda of the big Jews.

    The big Jews like Larry Silberstien are the moral equivalent of the Kapos in the camps. Self-interest all day long baby! Sure, I’ll rat out those chumps, plotting an escape, because the Kommandant will lavish perks on me, while those chumps get a good beating, he he.

    chumps

    schlemiels

  259. @Psychotic Break

    Well one thing which you obviously have a tendency to think about is making your own statements and then featuring them in a way which suggests that you’re quoting someone else.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  260. @Contraviews

    Aviation experts have already testified that Boeings of that type cannot posibly fly at high speed at low altitude.

    You’re the third or fourth fool that I’ve seen making this false claim in this thread.

    FACT : EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean a couple of years before 9/11.

    According to the official bogus story, the pilot had a death wish and deliberately crashed the plane into the ocean killing all on board.

    In reality, it was probably a test run for the remote hijackings that were planned for 9/11.
    In other words, flight 990 was Electronically Commandeered from the ground and deliberately crashed into the ocean.

    The plane went into a steep dive and reached a speed of Mach 0.99 a sea level just before impact.

    Got that Contra ?

    Mach 0.99 is approx 760 mph.

    Admittedly this was in a steep dive, but according to data that monitored the aircraft (UA175) that impacted with the Sth Tower in the minutes before impact, it descended in a very steep dive and thus would likely have pulled speeds approaching Mach 1.

    It then pulled out of that dive in the last minute before impact and was thus at a lower altitude for only a very short time.
    Thus it would only have scrubbed a very small amount of speed from the air resistance at lower altitude and still been able to impact with the Sth tower at close to 600 mph.

    So Contra, do your homework before you make bogus claims about ‘impossible speeds’ – otherwise you’ll come out looking like a fool.

  261. @Brad Anbro

    The key word there is “few.” If you’re going to be serious about saying that asbestos was intentionally floated all around New York City then you’re talking one of the prime Jewish areas. That’s different from if some town in Idaho where a few Jews live happened to mysteriously get a big dose of toxic sludge dumped in the water supply. Something like that you could just say “Oh, the big Jews did it, but they were willing to sacrifice a few little Jews.” But New York City is another matter.

  262. @Psychotic Break

    Thanks Broken Psychotic, for telling it like it is.

    I’m a bit surprised that you’ve turned over a new leaf and suddenly become a straight shooter.
    It wasn’t always so, was it ?

    There was a time, not that long ago, when you were saying some of the dumbest things imaginable in relation to 9/11.
    Anyway, it’s good to see that your conscience got the better of you and that you’ve come over to the side of truth and real science.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  263. @Patrick McNally

    Very good. It is called sarcasm, as if you didn’t know.

    Let’s summarize then what really happened:

    1. Explosives were installed at high-up window locations in both Towers.

    2. CGI experts working for the media generated false (phoney) footage of non-existent planes striking and exploding into the towers at precisely the window locations for the explosives (‘Impact Sites’).

    3. Huge quantities of deep-set demolitions explosives (+/- thermites, thermates…), with quite possibly, even quite probably, some sorts of nuclear devices were installed within the basements and cores of the Towers.

    4. Conventional explosive systems were also placed on the many various floor locations as per the conventional demolitions model of bringing down tall structures.

    5. In addition to the explosives set at window locations (step 1.), huge quantities of jet fuel were located on these same window horizons.

    6. Crisis actors were primed to be on location to respond typically to the media. Their task: to claim they had seen planes where there were to be none. For example, a troupe of ‘Dancing Israeli’s’ were on stage to give credence to the entire performance, even though it might have to incriminate Israel by implication.

    7. A whole great backstory and network of technical BS (concerning non-existent passengers, flight radar details, radio communications etc., etc., etc.) was carefully contrived and crafted to support the grand and superb event.

    8. (((Select))) individual were advised to stay away on ‘that day’.

    D-Day:

    Action: Simultaneously detonate First Tower window explosives and jet fuel.

    Allow for burning and some subsequent natural destruction of the first Tower. Simultaneously detonate deep-set demolitions charges in basement and core along with the like nuclear devices.

    ‘Pull’ the first Tower with the conventionally-placed demolitions charges.

    Repeat for offset second Tower.

    Selectively drip-feed false (phoney) CGI videos into news-streams throughout the day.

    Repeat similarly for WT7 just skipping the BS about planes completely.

    Allow a tightly controlled media some freedom to ad-lib. Bring on crisis actors to claim how they saw non-existent planes.

    Repeat videos ad nauseum on TV until great public buy-in certain.

    Option: Blow-up a real plane nearby shortly thereafter to instil more terror in the mind of the public and cement by trauma-association that the 9/11 ‘planes’ should be real.
    “American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in Belle Harbor, Queens, New York City after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport on November 12, 2001. Everyone on board was killed along with five people on the ground.”

    It was all a superb piece of work!

    They managed so convincingly, to achieve +/-100% of their objectives, to technically and psychologically convince the public as to their social and political objectives, to destroy and bring down the towers perfectly in their own footprints, all without a single real plane either in fact or in sight.

    This, the simplest, most straightforward, and most honest explanation, is one where there were no planes (large or small) involved in the 9/11 inside job, but where quite probably, nuclear (or similar such) devices were implicit.

    And all in a scenario that indeed needed to be as fail-free as ultimately possible: No planes, No Arabs, no Perfect Super Soldiers, just plenty of PackDrill and plenty of Money.

    • Thanks: Iris
  264. Mr. Anon says:
    @Brad Anbro

    Please don’t judge everyone by yourself.

    Thank you.

    An excellent retort.

    If you’re in the fifth grade.

  265. @Truth Vigilante

    You see the danger of knowing the buildings were rigged with explosives, yet claim there were actual planes involved, invites in the likes of Patrick McNally who sells the Government narrative in its totality.

    You continually keep the door open for ZOG, yet go round bombastically calling everyone else who questions you a Zionist agent or shill. I wonder who the ZOG agent really is around here?

  266. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sparkon

    For a guy who claims to have some kind of hard science background, you sure are vague and sloppy with your numbers and your presentation, and also illogical and misleading with your arguments.

    Other than “9/11”, I don’t recall you haven’t quoted a single number.

    Nylon pellets were not involved on 9/11. The only question here with respect to materials and 9/11 is the ability of aluminum or aluminum alloy to penetrate steel.

    It can’t be done.

    This is wrong. An airplane isn’t just aluminum. It includes steel forgings in the form of engine parts, landing gear, etc. It’s a lot of fuel, which is incompressible. And it’s a question of speed. As I said before – and it is highly relevant – you can shoot light things through heavy things if they’re going fast enough.

    At speed, even birds smash right through the cardboard-thin aluminum skin of a jetliner.

    But, wait, birds aren’t made out of metal. Birds are made out of bird. How could they possible do that? I don’t believe you.

    “At speed, even………”

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  267. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mike Tre

    You tried Mr. A. I suggest saving yourself the aggravation at this point.

    Yes, you are right. These people are forever condemned to hang out in truther-ghettos like this one, shouting their ever more ludicrous “conspiracy theories” at each other.

    This thread is an excellent example. The title of it is “The Banned FOX News Report on Israel’s Role in 9/11” and yet the first thing the people here want to talk about is not “Israel’s Role”, but rather the role of nanothermite, or “dustification”, or holographic airplanes. Don’t look at those low-level Mossad agents who were arrested in New Jersey (and actually indicate evidence of fore-knowledge), look over here at what some philosophy professor thinks about structural mechanics.

    The only sad thing is that they effectively queer the pitch for anyone else who wants to raise cogent, non-ludicrous points – actual, plausible “conspiracy theories” about 9/11. And perhaps that is by design. Go to YouTube, and you can find anything you want by Judy Wood or James Fetzer, hawking particle beams from space or underground nuclear bombs or nanothermite. But Ryan Dawson and James Corbett – people who actually name names – are banned from YouTube. The World does not lack for bullshitters, and they voluntarily provide enough bullshit to bury the truth.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Iris
  268. @Psychotic Break

    So, shifting tracks a bit here, do you think those 5 dancing Israelis actually had anything to with what happened at all? When some people have argued for the view that a real Arab terror attack occurred, the Israeli agents in New York City knew exactly what was going to happen and when, but the Israeli government deliberately withheld its information from the CIA, then I can at least understand that as a hypothesis (even if I think it assumes too much that is not known). But with your scenario it sounds like these 5 Israelis were really just dimwitted goofballs who didn’t have a clue what was going on. Is that you’re opinion? I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but would need clarification of what you really think.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  269. @Patrick McNally

    I’m not saying you’re right or wrong but would need clarification of what you really think.

    Stop being so ridiculously obtuse. The ‘Dancing Israeli’s’ are irrelevant.

    I have said here exactly what I really think. It requires no further explanation.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  270. Curle says:
    @Shamu

    “America was led by its Yankee WASPn elites to return to then service of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.”

    Henry Adams suggests as much in his Education of Henry Adams when he describes rapprochement with UK as a multigenerational Adams family goal. Made in the context of stymying British support for the Confederacy in his role in the US (Lincoln) embassy in Britain during War Between the States.

  271. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The only sad thing is that they effectively queer the pitch for anyone else who wants to raise cogent, non-ludicrous points – actual, plausible “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

    But why don’t YOU then make just ONE “cogent“, “non-ridiculous” point about 9/11?
    Because so far, your ONLY contribution to this discussion was to attack people who actually made a contribution, right or wrong, correct or misguided.

    As a side, I am not sure why long-term 9/11 Truthers, those who woke up EARLY to the Mossad deception, would have ANY interest in re-hashing, time and again, the blatant and worn-out story of the 5 Dancing Israelis, who actually first positioned themselves in the spot on the day BEFORE 9/11, before returning to film the attack.

    It is not the long-term truthers’ fault if people like you were obviously fooled and deceived for a long time, woke up to the reality only a few years ago, and are now deploying full steam the arrogance of ashamed ignorants trying to make up for their past naivety.

    A long participation in these 9/11 discussions shows that the real litmus test for honest contribution is not whether one brings a perfectly informed opinion.
    The reference standard for judging one’s honesty regarding 9/11 is when they spend more time attacking others’ contribution than making their own.

    By that “cogent and non-ludicrous” standard, you are ranked the lowest. I wonder why people are still wasting their time replying to you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  272. @GW

    Agreed.

    Too much time gets spent arguing over the specifics, which allows all sorts of black propaganda to enter. Instead examine the who and the why.

    Overwhelmingly it seems that it was done at the behest of certain American deep staters (I lean towards GHWB being the mastermind), with the cooperation of certain powerful Jews. Mossad did a bunch of the groundwork, and were assisted by KSA who recruited the key players.

    The deep staters got to fleece the US people, massive increase their power and that of the Federal agencies that do their work

    The Jews/Israel and KSA got to have their opponents in the middle east de-stabilised and increased their own power

  273. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Iris

    If people in the West don’t question how 3 Towers could be brought down with just 2 “planes”, then the West intellectual and democratic principles are just non-existent anymore.

    Very well said. And very true.

  274. @Psychotic Break

    “non-existent passengers”

    So, would you count the Betty Ong story as faked?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210727144607/https://www.eagletribune.com/news/family-of-9-11-hero-betty-ong-visits-andover/article_6bc7f966-94a3-5eba-8652-b4c5e57508bd.html

    “10 years since her sister Betty Ong, a 14-year veteran flight attendant for American Airlines, was killed when Flight 11 slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center.”

  275. I believe that Philip Zelikow who directed/authored the 9/11 Commission’s whitewash of the 9/11 psyop has been retained to do the same thing for the Covid psyop.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  276. Mr. Anon says:
    @Iris

    A long participation in these 9/11 discussions shows that the real litmus test for honest contribution is not whether one brings a perfectly informed opinion.

    You’re right. We should listen to people with poorly informed opinions. They are almost certainly a better guide to the truth.

    The reference standard for judging one’s honesty regarding 9/11 is when they spend more time attacking others’ contribution than making their own.

    I’m not attacking anyone. I’m just saying that you’re wrong and that your obsessions play into the hands of those who would just as soon see any serious inquiry into 9/11 suppressed.

    You can think whatever you like. I don’t care. And you will continue to be as irrelevant as you have been for the last twenty years.

    • Replies: @Iris
  277. Mr. Anon says:
    @9/11 inside job

    I believe that Philip Zelikow who directed/authored the 9/11 Commission’s whitewash of the 9/11 psyop has been retained to do the same thing for the Covid psyop.

    Indeed he is.

    https://www.csis.org/podcasts/coronavirus-crisis-update/philip-zelikow-covid-19-national-commission-bridge-we-need-now

    It’s interesting how some of these deep-state operatives keep turning up again and again. Zelikow was also the guy who (secretly) authored the Bush administration’s preemptive war doctrine. He was also the guy who wrote (pre-9/11) about the need for “public myths” and the galvanizing effect they have on popular opinion, which allows governments (and the elites who own and or run them) to direct the public into supporting what they (the elites) want to do. In effect, he wrote an essay a couple years before 9/11 saying that we (meaning the deep-state, the MIC, the neo-cons, etc.) need another Pearl Harbor. And, what do you know……….

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
    , @Mike Tre
  278. Iris says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And you will continue to be as irrelevant as you have been for the last twenty years.

    Israeli wishful thinking.

    The 9/11 Truth movement is not irrelevant. It actually achieved tremendously, considering that it was collectively able to establish exactly what happened at the WTC, using only open source information, and without any access to the official evidence: controlled demolition, with nuclear explosives.

    What is irrelevant is American “democracy” under ZOG rule, for no rational objection can be raised on any topic of national interest anymore. Neither 9/11, nor the Covid bioweapon, nor the looming WW3 can be questioned.

    Maybe the NeoCons will succeed in turning our lands into vitrified ashes; this is all you can hope for. But maybe they won’t, in which case the 9/11 Day of Reckoning will ineluctably come. And when it does, Israel’s primary role in committing an abhorrent nuclear Holocaust of American civilians will be as clear as day.

    You can keep insulting the Truthers, performing your self-promoting intellectual masturbation, and admiring yourself in the mirror for now. There will soon come a time when the 9/11 Israeli crime against humanity and the subsequent “War on Terror” will be discussed in whatever international forum replaces the United Nations.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  279. \//\ says:

    Israel’s Mossad for sure but they were not alone. The US and other countries’ intel were involved.

    By now, we should know:

    1) no planes hit the WTC even if the children were changing it*

    2) a missile hit the Pentagon

    According to Dimitri Khalezov**,

    1) happened with mini nukes. Any tall building developer in NYC (or any major US city) needs a demolition plan in case the tower needs to be taken down. As towers became taller, materials were stronger and only nuke charges at the foundation of towers like the WTC could take them down. The “Merchant of Death”, Victkor Bout is linked here***.

    2) was linked to the August 2000 Kursk submarine incident where Halliburton was commission to salvage it. The Kursk submarine carried 24 P-700 Granit missiles some of which went missile. One is said to have hit the Pentagon.

    _____

    *

    ** https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Dimitri_Khalezov

    *** https://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/viktor_bout/911_viktorbout.html

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  280. \//\ says:

    I meant to write my previous comment as follow but could not edit it after the 5 mins grace period:

    1) happened with mini nukes. Any real estate developer in NYC (or any major US city) needs a demolition plan in case the tower needs to be taken down. As towers became taller, materials were stronger and only nuke charges at the foundation of towers like the WTC could take them down. Khalezov wrote a book titled “The Third Truth” detailing this.

    2) was linked to the August 2000 Kursk submarine incident where Halliburton was commission to salvage it. The Kursk submarine carried 24 P-700 Granit missiles some of which went missile. Putin had claimed the submarine did not carry any. One of the P-700 hit the Pentagon. Russia/(Putin) and the “Merchant of Death”, Victkor Bout are involved here***.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
  281. @Mr. Anon

    Thank you for the additional information on Zelikow,unfortunately I believe that he is presently working on a cover-up of the Covid plandemic .

  282. @Verymuchalive

    This article was originally published on Counter Currents, whose editor (Greg Johnson) has is a believer in the official 9/11 conspiracy theory (i.e., it was done by 19 angry Muslims directed by the bearded old man in a cave). So this is indeed a worthwhile article for its intended audience.

  283. @\//\

    “As towers became taller, materials were stronger and only nuke charges at the foundation of towers like the WTC could take them down.”

    What about John McLoughlin and William Jimeno?

    https://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/world_trade_center/mcloughlin_jimeno.html

    —–
    The fall of the North Tower had buried the men about 30 feet below the surface and crushed McLoughlin’s legs. Jimeno was about 20 feet away from McLoughlin, and they could not see each other. Fire was encroaching on the hole that Jimeno was trapped in, and enveloped Pezullo’s gun causing it to start firing.

    McLoughlin and Jimeno were in incredible pain from the injuries to the parts of their bodies pinned under heavy rubble. The two men joked about how good pain is because it means you’re still alive.

    Jimeno, who was closer to the surface, attempted to get the attention of rescuers. He yelled and banged on a pipe with his handcuffs. He tried to fire his pistol, but his hands were too swollen to operate it.

    About an hour after nightfall, and 10 hours into their ordeal, Jimeno heard voices and yelled back. Several rescuers began to work digging out the trapped men, and they reached Jimeno by about 11 pm. They extracted him and sent him to the hospital. McLoughlin was buried deeper, and it took until about 7 am to free him. Jimeno had been trapped for 13 hours and McLoughlin for 21 hours.
    —–

    Hard to imagine that they could have survived that long if there was a nuclear source of heat right under them.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @//
    , @Iris
  284. Mr. Anon says:
    @Iris

    It actually achieved tremendously, considering that it was collectively able to establish exactly what happened at the WTC, using only open source information, and without any access to the official evidence: controlled demolition, with nuclear explosives.

    Ridiculous nonsense. You’re delusional.

    The 9/11 Truth movement is not irrelevant.

    Sure, that’s why you’re still arguing the same old stuff 20 years later on an obscure internet forum.

    9/11 Truth is irrelevant. And it’s people like you who made it so. Congratulations. Mission accomplished.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  285. Mr. Anon says:
    @Psychotic Break

    Stop being so ridiculously obtuse. The ‘Dancing Israeli’s’ are irrelevant.

    Sure, they are only evidence of foreknowledge by a foreign government. Evidence of a kind that actually would persuade a lot of normies if they ever knew about it, unlike all the BS about directed energy weapons, nuclear demolition, holographic airplanes, crisis actors, etc., which in 20 years has persuaded virtually nobody.

    Irrelevant!!

    • Thanks: mark green
  286. // says:

    I am not sure how that contradicts Khalezov’s argument: that nuke charges were used to weaken the foundations of the WTC towers.

    Additional charges at higher floors “pancaked” the floors. A synchronized series of detonation is observable in videos.

    Besides, high levels of nuclear material was detected at the site:

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4xq88667

    It can explain the high cancer rate amongst first responders to date:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/health-effects-of-9-11-still-plague-responders-and-survivors/

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/06/1034556283/a-study-says-9-11-first-responders-survive-cancers-at-higher-rates-why

    https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2020/09/9-11-cancer

    https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/cancer-risk-and-ground-zero-exposures-early-evidence

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  287. // says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Replied to you above but I may not have hit “reply” and/or” quoted properly.

  288. Sparkon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Other than “9/11”, I don’t recall you haven’t quoted a single number. [sic]

    There must be a lot of things you don’t recall, including 5th grade grammar.

    “At speed, even………”

    Yes, speed plays a big role when objects collide, but it’s not the only factor. If it were, the U.S. Army could save a lot of money on its AT rounds by making them out of apples and oranges.

    Static airplanes on the flightline are not penetrated by birds, but they are easily penetrated and sometimes extensively damaged by equipment and structures on the ground, either when the airplane is parked, or while it is taxiing.

    Need I explain that taxiing airplanes are not going very fast, and parked aircraft are not moving at all? Nevertheless, due to their fragile nature, aircraft are sometimes damaged on the ground in all manner of low speed physical encounters with equipment. These ground accidents cost the airlines big bucks, and help raise the price of flying.

    The issue of damage being caused to aircraft on the ground is a big problem for the industry. This year, in particular, has seen numerous ground-based incidents, but it’s nothing new. Indeed, the sector has been grappling with the issue for many years,
    […]
    Most damages was [sic] caused by motorized ground support equipment (GSE) striking the fuselage of the aircraft. In particular, 40% of all damage was caused by belt loaders, cargo loaders, passenger stairs, and jet bridges.

    https://simpleflying.com/iata-cost-of-ground-damage-aircraft-10-billion/

    So it’s easy to penetrate the thin skin of an airliner even in low-speed collisions, but it’s not easy at all to penetrate steel. That’s why armor, to stop bullets, is usually made from steel. In order to penetrate thick enemy steel armor, the anti-tank boys make their rounds from some of the hardest materials they can find, including the notorious depleted-uranium (DU), and shape it into wicked, saboted darts, accelerated to extreme muzzle velocities approaching 3,800 mph.

    KE rounds are designed to defeat advanced threat armor by firing a sub-caliber projectile at high velocity. The M829A4 KE cartridge is currently in production, and provides the most effective armor-defeat capability in the world.

    https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/tank-ammunition/

    Meanwhile, the alleged 767s that supposedly crashed into and disappeared within the Twin Towers were claimed to be flying at 465 mph, in the case of AA11, and 586 mph for UA175, or about the same velocity as a speeding BB shot from an air gun.

    So we can be certain the mythical 767s on 9/11 would have had neither the materials nor the velocity needed to penetrate steel and smash their way into their hidey holes within the Twin Towers, where they lived happily ever after…at least in the minds of the deluded.

  289. I was really in two minds whether to even comment in this thread at all as this not my subject anymore.

    For anyone new to the topic (and sane), I’m glad someone has actually posted a useful link:

    https://911research.wtc7.net/

    Familiar to seasoned 9/11 Truthers, it’s a comprehensive record of actual evidence.

    It appears to have been misused as a link to to support the poster’s theories which were long ago (very generously) examined and dismissed on the site he links to. (FWI: the same kind of ideation that insists on nukes seems very similar to the idea that nukes themselves are a myth and don’t actually exist.)

    911research.wtc7 has specific sections that go over all the ludicrous exotic claims here including that one, none of which are new and have been around for ages. It also describes how these claims appeared and which persons were promulgating them at the time. Make of it what you will.

    Anyway that wasn’t the main thing I wanted to say.

    I couldn’t remember what the problem was with Guyénot when Spencer posted this on CC as this just isn’t a topic I think about much anymore.

    And then I remembered. Guyénot’s a no-planer. And because he rattles off a fair bit about 911 and JFK (so what ?) and he talks about Israel and Jews, uses real research (none of which Guyénot has created himself), the tiny drop of poison he’s adding in is being absorbed almost unseen.

    I’ve now seen two well regarded nationalists get pulled into praising this guy or nominating him as a kind of authority figure on 9/11 or JFK, even though Guyénot has added absolutely nothing to either, other than seeking to reattach this notoriously stupid old idea onto far more credible 9/11 material.

    He’s uncovered nothing. He’s discovered nothing. Across the board he appears to have taken the work of serious people like Mike Piper and David Ray Griffin and effectively taken a dump on it and served it back on this website. None of which Mike or DRG believed in. And yet he’s seen as great figure here. Why is that ?

    Even Unz is talking about the possibility of the guilty deliberately trying to obfuscate the crime or make the whole thing appear ridiculous.

    It’s hardly a stretch by that standard to ask is Guyénot a bad actor deliberately trying to tarnish credible material ? Is he trying to make the Jewish connection and other evidence appear ridiculous ?

    Or is Guyenot a transexual in this context, getting off on making others repeat his pronouns ? Or talking to these other tumblr trannies on here, who need their dose of mini nukes, holograms, CGI and space beams ?

    I don’t know, but it’s a shame if WNs are getting pulled into accepting and promoting someone who’s producing deliberate poison, well hidden that it is, or are being forced into silently nodding ‘yes you’re a woman’ when it’s a man.

    You can take your pick which but at the very least I would encourage WNs to be very careful of this topic, stick to known facts and eschew those adding extra exotic speculative stuff no matter their credentials or what they say about Jews. We do not need this.

    The danger with Unz’s site is it mixes a lot of different stuff together in one blob and there’s much interchange between different groups. There’s no moderation of topics so they get drowned in a deluge of crap. I’m really not sure if Unz’s site is a net positive or net negative to the White cause but certainly the danger of unwanted and contaminated cross-pollination is quite real.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @annamaria
  290. Iris says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Hard to imagine that they could have survived that long if there was a nuclear source of heat right under them.

    Hard to imagine that still you fail to understand something so simple, that have been discussed so many time over.

    Fortunately, the 9/11 researchers have managed to find the relevant information from the Twin Towers’ original design records.

    – The street level was/is the reference at 0 (zero) meters.

    – The bottom of the Towers, the top of the bedrock on which they were sitting, and the floor of the Slurry Wall (Bath Tub) were all three located at the same level: minus 21 metres below street level.
    This layer of 21 metres below street level is the layer that encompassed the Towers’ basements in their entirety.

    – Underneath the Bath Tub floor and inside the bedrock, was dug up further down a 74 metres deep a dedicated borehole, ending in a detonation chamber (or Zero Box), in which a nuclear charge could be lowered, placed and detonated when demolition time comes.

    So this detonation chamber was at minus (74+21)= minus 95 metres below street level.

    This detonation chamber always stood empty: people were not working in a rigged building, atop explosives. On 9/11, thanks to a very cunning and devious deception organised by Mossad, Silverstein obtained control of nuclear charges that were then transported under each respective Towers, lowered into the borehole, down to the explosion chamber, and detonated.

    While the firemen you mention were at only minus 30 feet, or minus 9 metres below street level, which is about the top of the basement. There was therefore a distance of about 80 metres between the initial Zero Box and them.

    Even after the explosion had created a large nuclear cavity, the layer of rock and debris on which these men were lying would have had a thickness in dozens of meters of shattered bedrock. It would have taken dozen of hours, and most likely days for the heat from the nuclear cavity to creep up to the surface of the bedrock first, at minus 21 metres, and then across the structural debris up to minus 9 metres.

    Why? because heat conduction through an inert material like the bedrock is a very slow process: it takes time to heat it up, as well as to cool it down. Heating with stones is a very ancient method, and it is used for that very reason. Look it up.

    So since these firemen were rescued shortly within only 10 hours, they wouldn’t have hade the time to be affected by the “extraordinary” molten-steel temperatures that were later experienced by their colleagues for over 3 months.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
  291. @//

    > Additional charges at higher floors “pancaked” the floors.

    Here you seem to be in conflict with Iris who has argued that there was one big basement nuke bringing the whole thing down. Really, if it was possible to install all of these charges at the higher floors, then what real necessity would a basement nuke serve? But like I said, a real nuke should have generated enough heat so that people like John McLoughlin and William Jimeno would have been fired to a crisp. Jimeno was held there 13 hours and McLoughlin 21 hours. If the real heat of a nuclear explosion had been baking under them in that time, then should have shown burns that would be proportionate to this.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @//
  292. Iris says:
    @Vagrant Rightist

    911research.wtc7 has specific sections that go over all the ludicrous exotic claims here including that one, none of which are new and have been around for ages.

    With all due respect, sir, you need to improve your thinking and make it a little more subtle: there can be no survival without hypocrisy.

    When people purport to reject a thesis, it could be because they really and sincerely reject it. But it could ALSO be because they cannot afford to be seen as openly adhering to it.

    No American Truther writing under their real names can openly acknowledge that the WTC came down by nuclear demolition, because this would be directly accusing the sole American government, for any nuclear explosives available would have and should have been under the responsibility and at least duty of care of the US government.

    The Truthers are just that , Truthers; they are not suicidal kamikazes.

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski
  293. Mike Tre says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “It’s interesting how some of these deep-state operatives keep turning up again and again. ”

    Kinda like CD Jackson. From waiving about human pelvic bone ashtrays to buying the Zapruder film.

  294. @Truth Vigilante

    excellent comment TVig !

    ‘specially loved the Paul Wellstone remembrance, was just thinkin bout him yesterday, same era as the Pat Tillman erasure. only the good die young, i guess

    also hat tip to, malevolent … rodents , pure gold

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  295. // says:
    @Patrick McNally

    What does your interaction with me has anything to do [email protected]? Regardless, and after reading some of @Iris’ comments, it is in line with Khalezov’s: that nuclear energy took down the towers.

    When I wrote “Additional charges at higher floors “pancaked” the floors. A synchronized series of detonation is observable in videos.”, it was me talking. To add another factual observation and that it was part of the controlled demolition. It does not detract from the initial argument: that nuclear energy was used at the base.

    Your argument – that no nuclear charges were used because two guys (John and William) were there – is lousy at best. Maybe “nuclear” is your head is something like Hiroshima or Nagasaki – a giant mushroom cloud.

    • Thanks: Iris
  296. @Wizard of Oz

    Are you denying that the towers collapsed straight down at gravitational acceleration? If so, where did they collapse, to which side, and how fast?

  297. @Wizard of Oz

    How true, Wizz. And the MOSSAD could have done more to prevent the attack on the USS Liberty, couldn’t it. What shade of brown is your tongue? And then, hilariously, you agree that the poor old patsy offed in Abbotabad was really Osama bin Laden, and that the ‘cache of documents’ he carelessly left lying about, are kosher. Are you REALLY this thick and fatuously naive? And you proffer a program by Tom Switzer, in my opinion the MOST odious Zionazi neo-con on the ABC, as proof. Complete with a suck-up ‘interview’ of John Howard, spewing Sinophobic crap as ever, the malignant dwarf.

  298. @Truth Vigilante

    Emphasis mine

    Secondly, that fine dust that had descended on NYC on that day was sampled (in fact many samples were taken in several locations in and around Ground Zero) and ALL of them were found to have elevated levels of certain isotopes of Strontium, Barium and other trace elements.

    Now Iris #298:

    Even after the explosion had created a large nuclear cavity, the layer of rock and debris on which these men were lying would have had a thickness in dozens of meters of shattered bedrock. It would have taken dozen of hours, and most likely days for the heat from the nuclear cavity to creep up to the surface of the bedrock first, at minus 21 metres, and then across the structural debris up to minus 9 metres.

    Anyone can see the contradiction.

    By the way how many dozens of metres?

    Seismic evidence:
    https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/seismic.html
    No trace of a nuclear explosion.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  299. // says:

    Let’s not forget:

    The PNAC (Project for the New American Century) with none other than the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz on board.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    And their ” REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES – Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”

    “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”

    https://cryptome.org/rad.htm

  300. @Olivier1973

    Seismic evidence:

    No trace of a nuclear explosion.

    I’m not the one claiming a large nuke in the basement. I have always claimed that mini-nukes were used in the floor-by-floor top to bottom* destruction.

    (*I don’t even claim they were used in the lower 20-30 floors, seeing as it is evident that major structural components were still standing after the collapse).

    My guess is that the thermite/thermate was used in the lower floors. This would explain the angled cuts that were visible in many photos showing surviving load bearing columns from the lower floors.
    Also, that would explain how many individuals (firefighters and those they has helped descend from the upper floors) survived in the stairwell.
    This is further confirmation that there were no nukes used in the vicinity of this stairwell.

    Lastly, I go back to the terminology ‘mini-nuke’. Do you even know what this means ?

    It means a very small nuke. ie: big enough to ‘dustify’ concrete and structural steel on the floor it was situated on and not much more.
    Typically around 0.1 – 0.5 kT equivalent of TNT.
    Compare that to Little Boy used on Hiroshima : estimated 12 – 15 kT.

    Bottom Line: If mini-nukes were used starting from the floors immediately below the aircraft impact (starting around the 85th – 94th floors covering both WTC 1 & 2), and stopping around the 20th floor (give or take), would said mini-nukes have produced much of a seismic signal?

    Answer : Probably not.

    In any case, to the extent that they might have produced some partially detectable seismic signal, HOW do we know for sure that we’re getting accurate data from the GOVERNMENT and/or ZIO-aligned entity that is giving you the seismic data ?

    Think about it Olivier.

    If I was the Zio cabal and I had just brought down WTC 1 and WTC2 with nukes, would I be allowing that seismic data released to the world ?

    Answer : Not EFF’n likely.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  301. lavoisier says: • Website
    @//

    The PNAC (Project for the New American Century) with none other than the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz on board.

    The odious behavior of Liz Cheney while in office does make me wonder if the Israeli Deep State worked their evil plan in concert with VP Dick Cheney and other individuals from the American deep state.

    Bush always seemed to be far too stupid to be a part of anything so devious and complicated, and who in their right mind would want such a bumbling idiot to be part of their evil plan?

    • Replies: @Iris
  302. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Here is a repost that has strong relevance to the 9/11 ‘event’

    Since 2014, the US government has been supporting neo-Nazi parades in Ukraine; moreover, under the control of US Ziocons, several monuments to a prominent Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera were constructed in Ukraine. The US government supported the burning of 2 mln. books by Russian classics; under Ziocons’ control, the Russian language became prohibited in Ukraine.
    The US supports Jewish Fuehrer Zelensky, who is a supreme commander of self-proclaimed Nazi formations. The Jewish Community at large supports the Nazification of Ukraine and glorifies the Jewish Fuehrer Zelensky as a Jew Numero One (the Jerusalem Post) and the Man of the year (Time magazine).
    The regime change in Kiev in 2014 was a Zionist-Nazi putsch run by a Ziocon Nuland-Kagan (from the warmongering Kagans’ clan) in collaboration with the founders and members of the Ukrainian Nazi Party, such as Tyahnibock and Parubyj; the latter was a commandant of the Nuland-Kagan’s putsch. The Zionists can’t help themselves but show their fascist colors.

    • Thanks: Iris
  303. annamaria says:
    @Vagrant Rightist

    Not sure you realize that, but your post reads like a desperate whining of a ziocon shill.

  304. Iris says:
    @lavoisier

    The odious behavior of Liz Cheney while in office does make me wonder if the Israeli Deep State worked their evil plan in concert with VP Dick Cheney

    There was a very interesting discussion on the subject on the following Laurent Guyenot’s article:
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-9-11-double-cross-conspiracy-theory/

    It is a long thread, the most commented ever, so I will repeat the arguments I remember best, mine.

    1) Cheney was put at the centre of the perpetrators’ spider web by a 2018 report, entitled “Memoranda for the President on 9/11: Time for False Flag Deep State Truth“, addressed to President Trump.

    This collection of independent memorandums was curated by the late Robert Steele, and it seems to more or less directly accuse both Cheney and Israel. (Available in free download)
    https://phibetaiota.net/2018/07/memorandums-for-the-president-on-9-11-experts-say-what-the-9-11-commission-was-too-corrupt-to-address/

    2) A very strong indication Cheney’s key involvement is the testimony of then-Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta.

    In his declaration to the 9/11 Commission, Mineta’s said:

    I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09/minetas-911-testimony-confirmed-implications-are-earth-shattering/

    Mineta’s testimony was dismissed by the authorities under the excuse that he got the timeline wrong. He did not back up from his declarations however; on the contrary, he gave further details to an NBC journalist interview:
    https://www.consensus911.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/MSNBC_2002_Interview_with_Mineta.html

    Mineta’s testimony indicates that Cheney knowingly let a plane get dangerously get close to the Pentagon at the exact time the Pentagon was attacked.

    One can only make unsupported assumptions at this stage.
    But since it is largely agreed upon that the Pentagon attack could not have been caused by a plane crashing onto it, the plane detected could have been monitoring the operation, or even launching a cruise missile onto the Pentagon… In any case, Cheney’s reaction establishes his foreknowledge and complicity, at least in the high-level planning. It remains possible that he was double-crossed with regard to the extent of the WTC attack, which is Mr Guyenot’s thesis I think.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Thanks: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  305. @//

    Unfortunately for the authors of Rebuilding America’s Defenses, they did not get the “new Pearl Harbor” which they spoke of in that paper. What they had described in that paper wasL

    —–
    To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs. Information technologies, in particular, are becoming more prevalent and significant components of modern military systems. These information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence.
    —–

    They were recalling the way that Pearl Harbor led to incentives which developed aircraft carriers and such new technologies. In Rebuilding America’s Defenses, they were arguing that the US needs to develop new military technology, but it won’t be obvious what needs to be done unless some military setback exposes the new needs. But 911 did not do this. The lesson of 911 was that if only 19 Arabs who had been seen acting suspiciously had been hauled in for questioning and detained, then there would have been no attack. Nothing about 911 pointed to a need to develop “information technologies” as a “military transformation.” The only real lesson from 911 was that if the CIA and FBI had done more collating of their intelligence efforts, then the attack could have been prevented. Most of the stuff advocated in Rebuilding America’s Defenses could be chopped off a budget and still the collation of intelligence should have resulted in the terrorists being caught.

    • Replies: @\//\
  306. @Truth Vigilante

    At least your scenario makes more sense than the underground explosions. A French specialist studying the seismic data acknowledges only one underground explosion. Not necessarily nuclear.

    Still it would be stupid to use nuclear bombs in the city and think it would get unnoticed.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  307. @Iris

    Except it is necessary to mention this:

    According to the Daily Beast , Robert David Steele a former CIA case officer appeared on Jones’ show to talk about kidnapped children. Steele, who runs his own conspiracy theory blog, proposed that kids have been secretly shipped to the red planet over the last two decades to live as slaves.

    And also that aliens are living under several big cities.

  308. @Olivier1973

    Still it would be stupid to use nuclear bombs in the city and think it would get unnoticed.

    Is it really that stupid ?

    What if I told you decades ago that I had inside info that some sinister and depraved cabal was going to pull off something called the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax and :

    1) Blame it on increases in CO2 (even though for most of world’s history there is NO correlation between CO2 levels and temperatures.
    Meanwhile, in that period of history that was a cherry picked for correlation, the temperature rises FIRST and CO2 follows LATER, after an approx 800 year time lag.
    In other words, increases in CO2 didn’t make the temperature rise, but the temp rose first (due to Solar events etc), and only then did CO2 rise as the oceans released CO2 as they always have done when the temp rose, as explained by the established scientific principle of ‘Outgassing’.

    2) Tell you temperatures were rising, when in fact they had been flat for the past 20 years on average, or actually FALLING in most places.

    What if I had told you in 2018, that the Zio cabal were going to relabel a normal flu season as a pandemic in a couple of years time and traumatise/intimidate/coerce billions on the planet into taking a toxic ‘vaccine’ ?

    WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED ME THAT THESE THINGS WOULD TRANSPIRE ?

    But when you are a cabal with multiples of U.S GDP at your disposal, with scores of trillions more that you can print/digitally conjure into existence, coupled to the fact that you control the politicians/academia/the MSM/health bureaucracies/National Academies of Science in every western country, you can get away with a hell of a lot.

    That’s because the Zio cabal CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.

    Lastly, in relation to nuking NYC on 9/11, what exactly do the general public know about nukes ?

    Answer : Not much.

    They knew that the A-bombs dropped on Japan were a certain size. Then, as the years progressed, the saw the nukes get bigger, they saw the Hydrogen bomb and read about Megaton levels of destructive capability.
    They assumed that, as the years passed and technology progressed, this meant the nukes could only get bigger. Most had no idea that they could be made much, MUCH smaller and used for discrete purposes. (Mini nukes can be made the size of a grapefruit and strategically positioned without attracting attention).

    Moreover, they had seen more than enough footage of nukes going off at Bikini Atoll and similar sites. The public KNEW that all nukes have that characteristic HUGE mushroom cloud that spreads upward many kilometres into the sky.

    Bottom Line : There was no mushroom cloud of significance in NYC on 9/11. Therefore, in the minds of the ignorant masses, no nukes were used.

    Of course, close examination of the videos of the towers collapsing shows they were CLEARLY BEING BLOWN UP.
    But the Zio owned MSM assured them that’s what it looks like when a building collapses after being hit by a plane.
    And seeing as the masses had no reference point to compare it to, having never seen a building collapse after a plane impact, they just accepted what their wise government overlords told them.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  309. Is it really that stupid ?

    Yes.

    What if I told you decades ago that I had inside info that some sinister and depraved cabal was going to pull off something called the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax

    Ahah, you are opening that box.

    Soooooooooooo…

    Please, explain me how is that the global temperature was so high at the end of the Palaeocene with a CO2 level a multiple of the current one and a sun less warm as today. Temperate forests were present above the polar arctic circle.

    Do you live in a city?

    You can activate the English subtitles:

    • Replies: @//
    , @Truth Vigilante
  310. @Truth Vigilante

    Sorry, read my reply under #317.

  311. \//\ says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Unfortunately for the authors of Rebuilding America’s Defenses, they did not get the “new Pearl Harbor” which they spoke of in that paper.

    You may still be asleep over two decades later but it did on September 11th, 2001.

    In the same way Pearl Harbor gave the reason for the US enter WW2, 9/11 gave the US the reason to wage it’s long-planned Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz-Cebrowski Doctrine — to destroy all nation not aligned with the US and make all regions rich in resources inaccessible to competitor countries. Remember General Clark: “7 countries in 5 years.”

  312. // says:
    @Olivier1973

    “Global Warming” is another crisis/existential/fear-mongering hoax aimed at shifting the debt from the current bankrupt financial system to another “Green” system. It has its (technical) roots in the 1970s’ Club of Rome computer simulation “Limits to Growth”.

    As @Truth Vigilante pointed out, the narrative is in the hands of those pushing the hoaxes. Among a long list of made up stories, National Geographic lied about a declining polar bear population, the WWF (one of their organization), through shows on Netflix lies about walruses throwing themselves off cliffs.

    https://financialpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax

    The Youtube video you linked to is laughable at best.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  313. No forewarning?

    “ . . . out of the 4000 Israelis believed to have worked in and around the WTC and the Pentagon only FIVE died. 5/4000 Israelis. Statistically, with no forewarning about 10% (ie 400 of 4000) would have died; a toll as low as 200-300/4000 would not convincingly indicate foreknowledge. But only FIVE Israelis died and two of the five were aboard the allegedly hijacked flights; thus only three Israelis died in the WTC itself on 9/11. NB – this applies to Israeli nationals, NOT American Jews. Many Jews died in the WTC on 9/11.” ?

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • Thanks: Iris
  314. @//

    Where is your argument?

    The Youtube video you linked to is laughable at best.

    Sorry if you do not have the education to understand it.

    In fact there is nothing wrong with a warmer earth as glaciation periods are the exceptions. When Siberia will turn into agriculture land as far as the Arctic Ocean and when Miami and most of Florida will be underwater, I will be glad. A bonus would be a desert on most of the yankeeland and Europe.

    The problem is not the polar bears, but the declining biodiversity where it is the most abundant and the drop of the animal populations. The polar bears are quite recent evolution. They will disappear sooner or later when the ice will be gone. It will take several centuries.

  315. \//\ says:

    You don’t need “education” to swallow that video. All you need is an ignorant – in other words, un con qui n’y connait rien.

    [MORE]

    Climate is determined by long-range solar astronomical cycles that are driven by the regular periodicities in the eccentricity, tilt and and precession of the Earth’s orbit. As far as “when the ice will be gone.” goes, you should know that the current interglacial period has lasted more than ten thousand years average and that a new one is in the making. No amount of man-made CO2 can stop that astronomical cycle. Anyway and as much as I would like to tear you a second a-hole on this subject in taking days/weeks/months of your time in endlessly crushing your ignorance, I value my time more and will not. It is you who has to walk through that door.

    Like most ignorant “climate change/global warming” alarmists, you are quick to blame the declining biodiversity on “climate change/global warming” but completely ignoring man-made deforestation, water (lakes/rivers/oceans), land and air pollution, etc – the real cause for that decrease.

    Don’t forget to turn off the heat before going to bed. The planet isn’t going to save itself.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  316. @\//\

    Like most ignorant “climate change/global warming” alarmists, you are quick to blame the declining biodiversity on “climate change/global warming” but completely ignoring man-made deforestation, water (lakes/rivers/oceans), land and air pollution, etc – the real cause for that decrease.

    And now a strawman fallacy + the ad personam fallacy again. You lost again.

    Where did I write that the rise of the temperatures is the culprit for the loss of biodiversity? Nowhere. On the contrary there is more biodiversity in warm climates than in cold ones. The drop of animal populations is due to the human proliferation.

    the current interglacial period has lasted more than ten thousand years average and that a new one is in the making.

    What a new interglacial period is in the making? Yeah! Right! A very long one.

    • Replies: @\//\
  317. @Mr. Anon

    Their collapse is perfectly compatible with structural damage caused by an airplane strike and subsequent fire.

    Nope.

    1. The fire would not cause steel to collapse, and the WTC fire was lame, mostly smoke, thus lower temperature.

    2. If the plane caused the collapse, it would only be the floors above the collapse. The rest of the building was sound like the day it was built.

    However, WTC 1 and 2 didn’t look like any controlled demolition I’ve ever seen.

    Because the WTC construction was unique, a controlled demolition of such a structure would appear to be unique but similar, which is exactly what we see. The official pancake theory is bs because the support columns would not pancake, as they were steel columns filled with concrete and 100% unaffected by the fire. Anyone who still believes the pancake theory is a shill or a dunce.

    The controlled demolition was blowing out the floors below the crumbling building. You can see the mini explosions (called squibs) blowing out the supports as the structure came down. Here are some videos for those who still live in the false narrative zone of utter stupidity:

    911 Mysteries : squibs

    WTC collapse in SUPER slow-motion. Watch numerous SQUIBS. South tower.

    If you still are unable to grasp the controlled demolition reality, I suggest you contact Al Gore and borrow his dunce cap, he still shills global warming and boiling oceans and melting ice caps.

    And it is pretty obvious that you and the Wizard of ZOg are working together to troll this article.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @HdC
    , @Yukon Jack
  318. \//\ says:
    @Olivier1973

    And now a strawman fallacy + the ad personam fallacy again. You lost again.

    Where is the “strawman fallacy”? Are you referring to your ignorance of how climate is scientifically determined?

    [MORE]

    Where is the “ad personam”? Are you referring to my observation of your ignorance? Mon pauvre, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

    What did I lose again? Do you come here to write comments in order to win? Mon pauvre, you may need something to do in life. Educating yourself how on how climate is scientifically determined would be a good start.

    Where did I write that the rise of the temperatures is the culprit for the loss of biodiversity? Nowhere. On the contrary there is more biodiversity in warm climates than in cold ones. The drop of animal populations is due to the human proliferation.

    Where. Let me quote you:

    “The problem is not the polar bears, but the declining biodiversity where it is the most abundant and the drop of the animal populations. The polar bears are quite recent evolution. They will disappear sooner or later when the ice will be gone. It will take several centuries.”

    You will now say that you categorized “biodiversity” and polar bears separately. Won’t you?

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  319. @\//\

    un con qui n’y connait rien.

    = an idiot who knows nothing.

    [MORE]

    Ad personam fallacy. You lost.

    By the way, it looks like you do not know what you lost. Interesting. I was thinking you should know. Lack of knowledge apparently.

    Are you referring to your ignorance of how climate is scientifically determined?

    Another strawman fallacy.

    Mon pauvre, sorry if I hurt your feelings.

    Again ad personam and strawman fallacies. I am not yours.

    You will now say that you categorized “biodiversity” and polar bears separately. Won’t you?

    Strawman fallacy. You like obviously to think at my place. Polar bears are adapted to current polar arctic climate, when the climate will get warmer they will adapt and it could lead by the way of evolution to different bear species in Asia and in America, meaning an increase of biodiversity, which you were not able to understand. You fell into the trap I set for you.

    Thank you. You pretend to know everything about climate, I see that it is not the case. Far from it.

    • Replies: @//
  320. HdC says:
    @Yukon Jack

    “…1. The fire would not cause steel to collapse, and the WTC fire was lame, mostly smoke, thus lower temperature….”

    At 1100 deg.F. structural steel has less than 1/2 of its yield strength than at normal temperatures. Add to that the cutting of the curtain perimeter wall by the aircraft, and the adjacent curtain wall strength is insufficient to support the upper stories.

    I’ve read a lot about the fuel fire temperature being insufficient to melt structural steel. To which I answer: So what?

    Fuel soaked paper and furniture will definitely burn at above 1200 deg. F. or so thus, given sufficient time would weaken the structural steel to its yield point for the applied stress.

    The curtain perimeter wall at the elevation in question had a thickness of 3/4 inch IIRC, thus 3/4 hour at 1100 deg. F would have been time enough to weaken the structural steel sufficiently to yield to the much higher loadings imposed on it.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Yukon Jack
    , @Sparkon
  321. // says:
    @Olivier1973

    = an idiot who knows nothing.

    I know what a con is. Learn to take a pinch. Were you breast fed until the age of 20?

    [MORE]

    You should also learn the difference between ad personam and ah hominem.

    Ad personam fallacy. You lost.

    By the way, it looks like you do not know what you lost. Interesting. I was thinking you should know. Lack of knowledge apparently.

    Again, what did I lose when I gave you a hint to how climate is scientifically determined?

    Again ad personam and strawman fallacies. I am not yours.

    I know you are not mine. It was colloquial. Don’t be so sensitive and man up.

    Strawman fallacy. You like obviously to think at my place. Polar bears are adapted to current polar arctic climate, when the climate will get warmer they will adapt and it could lead by the way of evolution to different bear species in Asia and in America, meaning an increase of biodiversity, which you were not able to understand. You fell into the trap I set for you.

    What strawman? You clearly wrote “when the ice will melt”? How do you suppose that’s going to happen if not with rising temperature (something you claim you didn’t say)? You’re now twisting your original assertion with all sorts of extrapolations.

    Yes, I did fall in the trap you set for me – brilliant! Please let me invite to you a special diner called “Le Dîner de Cons”.

    Thank you. You pretend to know everything about climate, I see that it is not the case. Far from it.

    Not sure why you’re thanking me for.

    I do not pretend to know everything about climate but I know enough to know that the existential crisis that is being imposed is nothing but another fearmongering hoax to advance an agenda. You and I arguing here will change nothing. You believe in the hoax, I don’t. Let’s leave it at that. I promise to try to turn the heat down and eat insects to save polar bear cubs. I know you already do.

    I’ll end in saying that it has nothing to do with climate, it’s about money. “Climate” will be used to advance the financial agenda – a “new sustainable financial system” (to quote Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney) of central bankers that will be outside the reach of elected national governments. They are done with the (Petro) Dollar and need something new: a digital currency controlled entirely by (their) central banks – the CBDC.

    The new system will allow central banks to create and expand credit (debt) as much as they want. Aside from the endless power it will grant them (as if they don’t already have it), it will also allow them to shift the unpayable debt from their currently bankrupt system to their new one. The CBDC will also be programable with an on/off switch- just in case you’re not obedient enough. In your case, you have nothing to worry about – your weekly 500 grams of protein-packed insects, half liter of sustainable wine, plant-based butter and cheese are guaranteed.

    A dieu, mon cher (yes I know, you are not mine – colloquial once again).

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  322. Iris says:
    @HdC

    Fuel soaked paper and furniture will definitely burn at above 1200 deg. F. or so thus, given sufficient time would weaken the structural steel to its yield point for the applied stress.

    Yeah, right. Structural steel that was chemically treated to withstand fire for hours would have allegedly given up in just below one hour. Not just that, but dozens of columns far below the alleged “plane impact” floors would have given up perfectly synchronously and symmetrically as well, to deliver a perfectly vertical collpse without any tilt to the side.

    It is easy to prove how IDIOTIC this version, just tailored for CRETINS, is: it is proven by real-life past experience.

    9/11 was not the first time the WTC experienced a fire. A little reported fact about the Twin Towers is that they had already experienced a major fire long before the 9/11 terrorist attack.

    On February 13, 1975, the 110-story steel-framed North Tower endured intense fire – which failed to activate the smoke detectors, for whatever reason – for three hours. It started at approximately 11:45 P.M. in a furnished office on the 11th floor and spread horizontally to about half the offices on that floor, in addition to spreading vertically, between the floors, after igniting the insulation of telephone cables in a cable shaft that runs vertically between floors. Moreover, flames could be seen pouring out of the 11th floor east side windows, indicating that the fire was very hot.

    Because the twin towers were owned and operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, they were not subject to local safety codes; therefore, did not have an installed sprinkler system, nor did they have fire-stopper materials in gaps around the telephone cables within the cable shaft that would’ve stopped the blaze from spreading to other floors

    “It was like fighting a blow torch” – Captain Harold Kull of Engine Co.

    The fire department arrived to find a very intense fire that had spread from the 9th to the 19th floor. The only occupants of the building at the time were cleaning and service personnel. Fortunately, they were all evacuated without any serious injury or fatalities. However, of the 125 firemen fighting this fire, 28 sustained injuries from the intense heat and smoke.

    https://canucwhatic.blogspot.com/2011/06/1975-world-trade-center-fire-that.html

    The cause of fire is believed to be have been arson by a nineteen-year-old custodian from the Bronx named Oswald Adorno.

    So the North Tower burned for 3 hours in furnished offices, with fire reaching across six floors, and flames seen leaping through the windows. These hours were obviously much longer than the 56 minutes during which the South Tower burnt before collapsing, after its structure had allegedly been weakened by office fires.

    Moreover, this fire started at the 11th floor, much lower than the 90th floor where allegedly a plane crashed. So if there was any truth in the “pancaking” theory, it should have occurred back then in 1975, when 100 floor were standing atop the fire. Yet, it did not.

    Nothing structural was repaired in the North Tower, not even a truss was replaced. The only consequence was a design improvement, with the addition of extinguishing sprinkler systems.

    https://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/history/WTC_Fire_2_15_75.pdf

    • Replies: @HdC
  323. @Olivier1973

    Olivier, you put up that Climate Loon video as joke, right ?

    Surely you’re not that gullible as to believe this nonsense ? Anyway, the core of the Climate Alarmists belief is that : More CO2 = More Planetary heating.

    Well, we have CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere now around 400 ppm.

    Are you aware the Earth had CO2 at between 2000 – 3000 ppm in the past and it went into an ICE AGE ?
    Hmmm … I didn’t think so.

    Climate Alarmists are clueless on the actual science and the historical record.

    Bottom Line : CO2, to the extent that it affects climate, is INFINITESIMAL.
    There are other factors that are orders of magnitude more important – like Solar activity that the Climate fanatics ignore because it doesn’t suit their narrative.

    Learn some actual science my friend and get back to me.

  324. @HdC

    The WTC fire was limited to the area of the airplane impact (or the staged explosion w/ airplane holograms). All the floors below the impact were NOT affected by the heat of the subsequent fire (which was not a raging inferno, just massive billowing smoke).

    Thus, all the steel support structure, and concrete, below the level of the impact was not being heated and thus it retained full structural strength. Thus, if the tower has structural failure from heat, it would have only been at the impacted floors and above, and they could of fallen off the building leaving the entire lower portion of the building intact.

    Plus, the center of the building, the primary support columns, steel tubes filled with concrete would not have given way, and the only thing that would of failed is the outer shell. The planes did not topple the buildings on initial impact, thus the structural core remained secure. If the floors had somehow pancaked, the center core structure would of remained standing.

    Yet nothing like that happened, the whole building collapsed, with squib visual evidence, by a controlled demolition. That means the primary core support had to blown in a controlled demolition sequence, implying much prior planning, engineering, installation, and cover. Thus when it was discovered that the sitting presidents brother was the head of security, it was more than a suspicion of conspiracy.

    That also means no Muslim was involved in the collapse, and thus the official narrative can be immediately discounted as a massive lie. It is now obvious, that 911 was an inside job by the usual suspects, FBI, CIA, Mossad, MI6, DOD military contractors, etc. An investigation into the details of the event reveals heavy Israeli involvement, and the wars that followed this “false flag” event ONLY benefitted Israel, and no other nation, thus by logic and reason and evidence, Israel is the doer of the deed. And the evidence for that conclusion is massive, along with Bush deep state support.

    911 was a long planned and carefully executed false flag attack and self inflicted wound to launch a War of Terrorism on the world, for Zionist world control. Muslims are the patsies, not the doers, and the victims are the American servicemen and all the countries ruthlessly bombed by ZOG. It was the single most important political event that started Amerika’s long slide into totalitarianism and total ruin, and now these lunatic Zionists in charge are on the edge of provoking nuclear war with Russia. When historians look back, 911 was the pivotal event.

    • Thanks: Iris
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  325. Again and again fucking FAKE NEWS and bullshit reports from total moronic assholes!!!

  326. HdC says:
    @Iris

    “…Structural steel that was chemically treated to withstand fire for hours would have allegedly given up in just below one hour…”

    Please explain this “chemical treatment” of steel.

    In my experience, structural steel is “fire proofed” with the application of fire resisting insulating material. This material, by its nature, is fluffy and structurally very weak; after all it is an insulating material. Think fibreglass wool.

    Consequently, the impact of the aircraft would have destroyed this fire proofing by abrasion and impact.

    Note that I said nothing on the failure of the building itself. I merely addressed the nonsensical opinions that “melting of the steel” was somehow necessary for the building to collapse.

  327. HdC says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Please read my comment # 336.

  328. nognverra says:
    @MarLuc7

    It is so very very very strange to see a 2023 piece on 9/11 not even mentioning WTC7, much less the U of Alaska detailed study into it, which concluded that the best fit for observed data is “simultaneous failure of all core columns” (ie controlled demolition). This contradicts the classified, hidden NIST theory of propagated local failure.

    If this weren’t such a hot topic it wouldn’t be one of the few explicitly verboten topics on twitter dot com, even under Musk’s new glastnost + perestroika regime.

    • Agree: Iris
  329. @//

    Obviously you do not know the difference between ad personam and ad hominem fallacies. Educate yourself (you don’t need to thank me):

    [MORE]

    Become Personal, Insulting, Rude
    A last trick is to become personal, insulting, rude, as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand, and that you are going to come off worst. It consists in passing from the subject of dispute, as from a lost game, to the disputant himself, and in some way attacking his person. It may be called the argumentum ad personam, to distinguish it from the argumentum ad hominem, which passes from the objective discussion of the subject pure and simple to the statements or admissions which your opponent has made in regard to it. But in becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack to his person, by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. It is an appeal from the virtues of the intellect to the virtues of the body, or to mere animalism.

    I know what a con is.

    I know that you know. Readers not necessarily.

    You’re now twisting your original assertion with all sorts of extrapolations.

    Not at all, I was linking higher biodiversity with higher temperatures and evolution. You are doing the extrapolation.

    I do not pretend to know everything about climate but I know enough to know that the existential crisis that is being imposed is nothing but another fearmongering hoax to advance an agenda.

    There is an agenda, sure, but the rise of the temperatures is happening nevertheless. Obviously you know not enough about CO2 greenhouse effect, etc.

    You and I arguing here will change nothing.

    For once you are right.

    You believe in the hoax, I don’t. Let’s leave it at that. I promise to try to turn the heat down and eat insects to save polar bear cubs. I know you already do.

    Strawman fallacy again. You make yourself ridiculous.

    Not sure why you’re thanking me for.

    Of course!

    Please let me invite to you a special diner called “Le Dîner de Cons”.

    And again an ad personam fallacy. Read again above.

    In your case, you have nothing to worry about – your weekly 500 grams of protein-packed insects, half liter of sustainable wine, plant-based butter and cheese are guaranteed.

    And again a strawman fallacy. But you are right on one point: I have nothing to worry about. But not at all for the reasons you wrote. You lack imagination. And it fires back. Too bad and really funny.

    A dieu, mon cher (yes I know, you are not mine – colloquial once again).

    And a now believer! It is not colloquial, it is pretentious.

  330. @Truth Vigilante

    Are you aware the Earth had CO2 at between 2000 – 3000 ppm in the past and it went into an ICE AGE ?
    Hmmm … I didn’t think so.

    Strawman fallacy.

    But please, explain me when. During the Palaeocene?

  331. @Truth Vigilante

    Surely you’re not that gullible as to believe this nonsense ?

    Where is your argument? I see none, only a fallacy.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  332. @Olivier1973

    Where is your argument? I see none, only a fallacy.

    Fallacy ? What fallacy are you referring to ?

    [MORE]

    I stated that the Earth went into an Ice Age when CO2 was between 2000 ppm and 3000 ppm.
    This is an incontestable FACT.
    It happened a few hundred million years ago. Of course you’re not aware of this because the rabid Climate zealots will never mention it in their propaganda.

    The Climate Alarmist will counter that humans were not around then and argue [falsely] that humans would not have survived in that CO2 rich environment.
    But that is NOT true.
    Our primate ancestors (assuming you believe in Darwin’s theories) were around in that period, and these primates have near identical respiratory systems to us.
    They not only survived in that environment, but they thrived.

    As for my ‘argument’, it would take too long to write it up for you. Instead, I offer you these :

    1) A 5 min video by the legendary James Corbett of ‘The Corbett Report’ ”

    2) Tens of thousands of scientists call out the Global Warming fraud :

    3) This 30 sec video shows what the bird chopping wind turbines are doing to tens of millions of these creatures every year :

    4) The last video featuring Professor Emeritus Don Easterbrook at a Senate hearing, is longer but will answer all your questions.
    If you’re pressed for time, at least watch the first 10 mins of it as it sets the agenda for what follows:

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  333. @Yukon Jack

    In this crystal clear video, the 2nd jet impact looks very real

    9-11 Kevin’s Video

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Truth Vigilante
  334. Iris says:
    @Yukon Jack

    It’s AMAZING how, 21 years later, as video technology evolves and becomes more sophisticated, “unseen footage” taken at different angles of the 9/11 tragedy continues to surface.

    Why was this footage never seen before? Isn’t it evidence in a criminal inquiry into one of the worst crimes ever committed?

    Most importantly, it is very clear that this “plane” is travelling at ordinary landing speed, below 200 mph.

    While the entire official narrative is based on a South Tower “plane” allegedly flying at around 530 mph, a speed IMPOSSIBLE to achieve at sea level, because it creates an air dynamic pressure so high that any real plane would break in flight.

    This video is an obvious FABRICATION, for the speed displayed is in blatant contradiction with that recorded in the official 9/11 reports. It can be one or the other, 200 mph or 530 mph, but not both at the same time.

    So what does it tell the “believers” when, decades on, such fake “evidence” keeps popping up?
    What it tells me is that the Zio PTB’s keep monitoring the Truthers’ findings and spinning their lies accordingly.

  335. I stated that the Earth went into an Ice Age when CO2 was between 2000 ppm and 3000 ppm.
    This is an incontestable FACT.
    It happened a few hundred million years ago. Of course you’re not aware of this because the rabid Climate zealots will never mention it in their propaganda.

    Again, I am asking you: when exactly? During which period of the Earth history? A few millions hundred years ago, how much: 2, 3, 4, 5, more? I wonder why are you not able to answer that simple question. But I will wait again.

    [MORE]

    It is interesting though that you write and shout about a “fact” and you are not able to give a correct date or a geological period.

    By the way:

    Of course you’re not aware of this

    = strawman fallacy.

    I am not a “climate alarmist”, for I think that global warming is something very good for the Earth as it will avoid further glaciation periods, which are the exception in the history of the phanerozoic. I will prefer to see palm trees in Chicago or Montreal rather than a several hundred metres high glacier at those places. I am also sure that all fossil fuels which can be extracted will be and will be used as an energy source. In the meantime, I will be glad when the price of oil will be several times higher than now.

    Otherwise I see that you are fond of fallacies. I feel sorry if you are not able to see which ones.

    For example your #2 is a very common fallacy.

    About #1: it begins with a confusion between meteorology and climate. Another fallacy.

    About #3: we opposed the building of wind turbines in one of our regions because it is a heaven for birds and we won, no such turbine was built. It is great that you care about birds. But what about pesticides? The bird populations in Europe are declining because of those.

    About #4: I do not have time to listen to that 89 minutes video.

    The Climate Alarmist will counter that humans were not around then and argue [falsely] that humans would not have survived in that CO2 rich environment.
    But that is NOT true.

    Who said that? It is of course completely stupid. Please, give me the source.

    They not only survived in that environment, but they thrived.

    There is much more diversity in warm and humid climates than in cold or dry ones. So that a warmer global climate will be very interesting for biodiversity. There will be some drawbacks of course, like the drowning of Miami and a great part of Bengladesh and so on.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  336. @Yukon Jack

    In this crystal clear video, the 2nd jet impact looks very real

    Not surprising really. Flights of REAL planes observed at low altitude will naturally look real.

    Importantly, and this discredits those claiming that the image of the plane was inserted later on by CGI, we have the people on the ground next to the individual doing the filming reacting in REAL TIME.

    You can hear their reaction in the second or two BEFORE impact as the pitch of their voice is raised in ALARM at the sight of plane that is about to impact with the building.
    Also heard were the following remarks :

    That was a United Airlines plane ….
    He just flew right into it …
    It was a 737* …

    (*In fact it was a 767 that impacted but, in the excitement of the moment we can forgive him.
    At least he identified it as a Boeing so we’ll give him credit for that).

    Most New Yorkers didn’t see the first plane hit the North tower as it came out of the blue.

    BUT, after the first strike and seeing as the Nth tower was burning, EVERY MAN and his dog that had an unobscured vantage point (especially after hearing other people saying that a plane had hit the Nth tower), were looking skyward at the first tower and were thus in a position to see the second plane impact with the south tower.
    There would have been tens of thousands of New Yorkers (at a minimum), who saw that second plane WITH THEIR OWN EYES (ie: not on television) strike the Sth tower.

    Many of them even had their camera at the ready. People like this :

    You can hear the people screaming obscenities made in REAL TIME.
    How people can still imagine that those planes we saw in the videos were CGI generated, is beyond me.

    Meanwhile, there is one [solitary] film of the first plane hitting the Nth tower. As you can see, the NYC firefighters HEAR the plane approach and look up to the sky BEFORE the impact (35 sec video) :

    Because it discredits their theory, the people that claim CGI was used to fake all these aircraft images, these same people are saying that the video above was faked.
    No expert has stepped up to the plate and shown that any part of it was photoshopped/had images inserted etc.

    There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that video (and the images you saw in the first video I posted), is anything other than genuine.

    • LOL: Iris
    • Replies: @Rurik
  337. @Olivier1973

    [This is not a Global Warming thread and such off-topic comments will be trashed.]

    Olivier, you’re very lazy.

    [MORE]

    It takes only a little research to find a historical chart of CO2 levels Vs average Earth temperatures.
    I will spoon feed you just this once with this article :

    https://medium.com/@ghornerhb/heres-a-better-graph-of-co2-and-temperature-for-the-last-600-million-years-f83169a68046

    I was going off memory when I said the Earth went into an Ice Age when CO2 was between 2000 ppm and 3000 ppm.

    In fact, as per the article above, the Ice Age occurred when CO2 levels were 4000 ppm.
    ie: TEN TIMES present levels !!

    Yet further proof that CO2 is NOT a determinant in climate.

    So quit with this ‘strawman’ nonsense. FACTS are not made of straw.
    Wake up and learn some real climate science.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  338. Rurik says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Importantly, and this discredits those claiming that the image of the plane was inserted later on by CGI, we have the people on the ground next to the individual doing the filming reacting in REAL TIME.

    you also see at 2:04 in Yukon’s video people looking up at the plane as it’s flying over, which if there were no plane, there’d be nothing for them to be all looking up at. All the guys and the guy sitting down by seawall.

    But then again, it could all have been a recent Hollywood-type production, or CGI, to convince people there were actually planes that flew into the towers that day. Even tho the vast majority of people consider that as obvious. Nevertheless, massive efforts are obviously underway to convince these people what they already know is true. That jets flew into the towers on 9/11.

    The only reason I post this comment, is because I think the ‘no-planes’ theory is used by bad-actors to sidetrack the truther movement by convincing otherwise curious people to consider the whole truther movement as lunatics.

    Not, (and this is important), that most or even many of the no-planes adherents are bad-actors or lunatics. Hardly. Many of them are just decent folks who’ve been hoodwinked and seduced by the no-planes theory, and now cling to it (with their lives and egos like it was the last breaking branch before they plunged into the depths).

    There, I’ve said my piece. This whole debate was hammered out in a very unpleasant way under another thread, which TruthV linked to above in this thread- if anyone is morbidly curious to see the vitriol fly.

    I won’t engage in a debate about it here, and will sit by as the invective comes my way, (‘Rurik is a Jew Hasbera scumbag!!, Israeli IDF motherfucker!!), for simply pointing out the obvious, that all those videos of the planes and smoking crash holes in the towers, were not faked.

    FWIW

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Troll: Iris
  339. Sparkon says:
    @HdC

    At 1100 deg.F. structural steel has less than 1/2 of its yield strength than at normal temperatures. Add to that the cutting of the curtain perimeter wall by the aircraft, and the adjacent curtain wall strength is insufficient to support the upper stories.
    […]
    The curtain perimeter wall at the elevation in question had a thickness of 3/4 inch IIRC, thus 3/4 hour at 1100 deg. F would have been time enough to weaken the structural steel sufficiently to yield to the much higher loadings imposed on it.

    There were no “curtain perimeter walls” in the Twin Towers, as you mistakenly claim.

    Strictly speaking, a curtain wall bears no load other than its own weight, which is commonly glass and aluminum. A curtain wall plays absoluely no role in supporting the structure. It is used, as Wikipedia puts it “…only to keep the weather out and the occupants in.”

    By contrast, the external structure of the Twin Towers was a dense, cage-like array of box-columns, each fabricated from four steel plates, which varied in thickness from four inches near ground level to just 1/4″ at the floors where the planes appeared to hit, so no, you don’t recall correctly, and why rely on your memory with the Internet at your fingertips?

    You also obviously don’t understand the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which helps explain why steel-framed buildings are virtually impervious to collapse from fire, a fact that has been aptly demonstrated in several notable cases where steel-framed skyscrapers have been entirely engulfed in flames, burned like a torch for hours on end, but did not collapse.

    When steel is heated it immediately convects some of that heat to the atmosphere while at the same time conducting heat away from the hottest spots toward the cooler ones. That’s why the handle of your cast iron skillet eventually gets too hot to handle. Heat is conducted from the part of the skillet directly over the stove’s burner, to the part not over the burner i.e. the skillet’s handle.

    Once the burner is turned off, the skillet continues to give up its heat to the atmosphere through convection.

    In a steel-framed skyscraper, the interconnected network of steel beams provides a large number of pathways for heat to be conducted away from the hottest spots in the burning structure toward the cooler parts, including those underground in the foundation, while the many surfaces on those steel beams are also convecting heat from the steel framework of the burning building into the atmosphere.

    Finally, the dense array of steel box columns on the exterior of the Twin Towers provided a great deal of redundancy, so that smashing through, knocking aside or weakening a few columns with heat would have had little or no detrimental effect on the many remaining columns to continue supporting the structure, the effect would have been about like poking “a pencil in a screen door.”

    In truth of course the mythical 767s could not have penetrated the exterior box columns of the Twin Towers, and instead would have shattered on impact and sloughed off the steel facade, and fallen in flames to the street below. A few heavier items like the engines and landing gear might have dislodged or knocked aside a couple of the box column “chex” sections, and penetrated into the building but they could not have severed the central core, which was necessary to take down those towering structures.

    In conclusion, I will add I’ve never seen any convincing demonstration of holograms outdoors in the open air that were visible for miles. It was a much simpler and more direct proposition for the plotters to use CGI to record and broadcast fake images of airplanes crashing into buildings, an existing capability that was the subject of an article in The New York Times in early 2000, as I’ve noted above.

    • Replies: @HdC
    , @Truth Vigilante
  340. @Trinity

    Especially the part about the young Mossad rats declaring, on a Tel Aviv TalmudVision talk show, that “they were there to document the event”.
    Izzyland should have been glassed over and glowing immediately after that…
    if not for ZOG rule.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  341. For the TRUTH about 911, you only need to do a search on these words … Dov Zakheim 911.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Thanks: Iris
  342. HdC says:
    @Sparkon

    From what I read years ago, the external walls at that elevation were steel plated 3/4 inches thick. Apparently they were not even joined into vertical assemblies, but relied on the overlapping of adjacent members for structural integrity. Anyways, I read this a long time ago.

    My intent was not to get into lengthy debate about the buildings’ failures; I really couldn’t care less about this.

    However, the ridiculous statements that the building couldn’t collapse because the fires were not hot enough to melt the structural steel, is sheer ignorance.

    Further, the aircraft impact would have mechanically removed or destroyed any fireproofing that had been applied to the structural steel.

  343. @HdC

    Don’t you just love a pontificating idiot.

    • Replies: @HdC
  344. @Truth Vigilante

    [MORE]
    As ever, junk. And the conceit that he knows more than climate scientists, or the paranoid insanity that they are ALL, tens of thousands of them, lying. Over the aeons the Sun has ‘warmed’, increasing its luminosity incrementally by about 1% every hundred million years. The continents have moved around, changing the distribution of land and sea, and thus the climate. All in an highly dynamic, chaotic, system, with numerous positive and negative feed-backs.
    In another refutation of your idiot denial that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the early Sun was much less luminous than now, but temperatures were nearly the same. The cause-high levels of greenhouse gases, CO2 and CH4 mostly, in the atmosphere. Moreover, changes to the planet’s albedo can have a self-reinforcing effect, as was probably involved in the Snowball Earth event, when the whole planet froze, more or less, about 650 million years ago. Then you have the effects of vulcanism, both in emissions of greenhouse gases (warming) and albedo raising particulates(cooling).
    All in all it is complex, and well above your pay-grade, I fear, to comprehend. You simply have the old familiar ideological opposition to one of the most important facets of the question, and are, therefore, prey to even the most cynically opportunistic denialist agit-prop. A pity, because you show some signs of nous otherwise.

  345. @Sparkon

    Sparkie writes this :

    In truth of course the mythical 767s could not have penetrated the exterior box columns of the Twin Towers, and instead would have shattered on impact and sloughed off the steel facade, and fallen in flames to the street below.

    But then contradicts it by having said this earlier on in the same comment :

    the external structure of the Twin Towers was a dense, cage-like array of box-columns, each fabricated from four steel plates, which varied in thickness from four inches near ground level to just 1/4″ at the floors where the planes appeared to hit

    Let me focus on the crucial phrase :

    ONE QUARTER INCH THICK at the floors where the planes hit.

    Yes, I concede we’d be having a different conversation if the 767 drones had struck the BASE OF EACH TOWER, where the structural steel was SIXTEEN TIMES thicker.

    But it didn’t.

    It struck up high where the structural steel was wafer thin in comparison.

    And, as I’d shown in my the thread on 9/11 from last year (which I linked to in a previous comment in this thread), the 767 that struck the Sth tower had over ONE HUNDRED TIMES more Kinetic Energy than the B-25 Mitchell bomber that impacted with the Empire State building in 1945.
    Let’s look at the carnage caused by that slow moving and light-weight (relative to a 767) aircraft :

    https://avatars.dzeninfra.ru/get-zen_doc/3373607/pub_5ece00f298caf76fe4a1a7b5_5ece0de76ef6164140af55fb/scale_1200

    For anyone to think, for even once second, that a 767 travelling at near to that of a speeding bullet, with over 100 times more Kinetic Energy, could not have punctured the 1/4″ thick structural steel found in the upper floors of the WTC, absolutely beggars belief.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  346. Sparkon says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Let me focus on the crucial phrase

    ONE QUARTER INCH THICK at the floors where the planes hit.
    […]
    For anyone to think, for even once [sic] second, that a 767 travelling at near to that of a speeding bullet [sic], with over 100 times more Kinetic Energy, could not have punctured the 1/4″ thick structural steel found in the upper floors of the WTC, absolutely beggars belief.

    There was no contradiction, but your beliefs are all there, absolutely waiting to be beggared, and your focus must have been pretty narrow.

    Apparently you’ve convinced yourself, failed to focus on my entire comment, or would like to pretend, that each box column had only one side, but box columns by their nature have four sides, as I stated.

    In the Twin Towers, the box columns were constructed of four welded steel plates 14″ wide by 36′ tall, prefabricated off-site into so-called “chex” sections, each with three columns and three 52″ wide (tall) spandrel plates which themselves girded the Twin Towers like a succession of steel belts, one for every floor.

    So obviously, despite what you think, it wouldn’t have been simply a question of the 767s or any aircraft merely cutting through or “puncturing” just one 1/4″ steel plate at the levels of the reputed crashes, but rather cutting through or somehow getting past four such steel plates – 14″ wide – in each and every one of the apparently impacted box columns, along with the several spandrel plates for the impacted floors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center

    Even if it could have been done, putting a hole in a couple of the prefabricated sections, knocking them aside, or weakening them with intense fire would have had virtually no effect on the stability of the Twin Towers as the load would have been transferred to and easily assumed by the many remaining adjacent columns, and there were 59 of these on each face of the Twin Towers, backed up by the immense strength of the central cores.

    The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door—this intense grid—and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.

    –Frank A. Demartini, the on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, Jan. 25, 2001

    The B-25 crash into the Empire State Building is an interesting case, but all of the relevant factors are significantly different from the events at the Twin Towers on 9/11, so yours is entirely an apples and oranges comparison, and in any event, the B-25 did relatively minor damage, mostly to the exterior masonry of the ESB, while parts of the bomber ended up in the street below the crash, and certainly the B-25 did not knock down the Empire State Building, or even come close to it.

    You know, the very first alleged eyewitness on 9/11 was an employee of CNN who called the network from his location in midtown Manhattan to report seeing a large passenger jet fly past his building, “teetering back and forth, wingtip to wingtip” before crashing into the World Trade Center.

    Of course, the idea of a “large passenger jet” reputedly flying over 500 mph at about 1000′ altitude is already too much for most aviation experts to accept, but add that “teetering back and forth” business, and you’ve moved far beyond what is aerodynamically possible right into the realm of bad Hollywood script writing.

    That may help explain how Sean Murtagh was able to get through to CNN and be on the air with his report within three minutes of the alleged crash! He also somehow managed to get promoted from producer, as he was initially identified, to vice-president of finance for CNN as he was subsequently identified by Carol Lin, who not only broke the news to the nation about the WTC attacks, but also later asked Murtagh if the plane was “still inside the building?”

    But CNN wasn’t done yet with its efforts to plant fantastic ideas in the minds of the conditioned and gullible boob tube set.

    … I must say that we have an eyewitness who said it was a large plane that crashed first. And then as we were watching the live picture here in the studio, we saw a plane crash into the — crash into the other tower of the World Trade Center. And again, let’s to be sure, there it is. There it is, the plane went right through the other tower of the World Trade Center.

    UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is a very hard thing to watch.

    [Leon] HARRIS: These are incredible pictures that we’re watching this morning, thanks to our affiliate WNYW in New York.

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html

    My bold here highlights the fact that CNN (or perhaps WNYW) personnel “here in the studio” were apparently looking at the entirely unbelievable “nose out” video, that was not aired or broadcast to the public until late in the day on Sept. 11, 2001.

    I watched one of those early broadcasts of the nose-out video, and I heard the announcer exclaim:

    It went right through it!

    Sure it did.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  347. Iris says:
    @HdC

    However, the ridiculous statements that the building couldn’t collapse because the fires were not hot enough to melt the structural steel, is sheer ignorance.

    Twenty years on, ridiculousness firmly stands on the side of the “office fire” believers, dear.

    The only way the “office fires” believers can get away with their irrational fantasy belief is to pretend that the University of Alaska-Fairbanks WTC7 study does not exist.

    This PhD study was lead by an emeritus American civil engineering professor, not some Russian or Chinese critic; it utilised state-of-the-art engineering tools, and proved that WTC7 came down by controlled demolitions. It remains unchalleged.

    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    One second thing is ridiculous. No matter how averse one is to science: not understanding such basic 9/11 thermal anomalies twenty years on equates to retardation.

    The 2nd Principle of Thermodynamics is so easy that a 12-year old would understand it straightaway.
    Any material or fuel has a “natural” combustion temperature under atmospheric conditions. Once this natural threshold temperature is reached, the fuel will burn in its entirety without the temperature ever increasing.

    No matter whether one burns one litre, one million or one hundred millions litres of kerosene: its temperature will never go above its natural combustion temperature, it is a long-established Physics fact.

    Kerosene burns at 800-850 degree Celsius. This is insufficient to melt steel.
    Neither the steel that was watched pouring under liquid form from the South Tower.
    Nor the molten steel that firemen came across for as much as 3 months in the WTC aftermath.

    molten

    So what were the mysterious fuels burning at melting-steel temperature, before and after collapse?

    The “office fires” cult believers must answer this extremely important question too, since temperature is the central parameter within their thesis. But they can’t, of course.

    The Twin Towers were first planted with explosives at the top by conventional explosives, among them nanothermite, to detonate and simulate a plane attack that never happened. Nanothermite and thermite burning can and will melt steel.

    The Twin Towers were subsequently demolished with nuclear weapons detonated deep underground inside the bedrock, which pressure shockwave disintegrated and dustified the Towers in mere seconds.

    A delayed and long-term effect of theses nuclear explosion was the slow release of thermal energy, in the thousands of degree C, more than sufficient to melt steel.

    • Replies: @HdC
  348. HdC says:
    @Iris

    You have a lot to say about things I didn’t say anything about.

    Let me repeat: Anyone who asserts/believes structural steel needs to melt in order to cause a building to collapse is an ignoramus.

    Further, an aluminum aircraft can cut through structural steel. Who has not heard of straws driven through wood planks by hurricane-force winds?

    • LOL: Iris
  349. Sparkon says:
    @HdC

    From what I read years ago, the external walls at that elevation were steel plated 3/4 inches thick…Anyways, I read this a long time ago.

    I don’t care when you read it. It was wrong then, and it’s still wrong now, yet you have the temerity to accuse others of…

    “…sheer ignorance.”

    Where the pot calls the teacup black…

    Further, an aluminum aircraft can cut through structural steel. Who has not heard of straws driven through wood planks by hurricane-force winds?

    So what? Your argument is entirely apples and oranges, the fallacy of false equivalence.

    Now at last it is time for you to put up, or shut up. Please cite any video you can find showing aluminum cutting through steel. Nothing else, just aluminum and steel.

    Otherwise, please spare us any further outbursts of your ignorance, false equivalences, and special pleading.

    • LOL: HdC
  350. @Sparkon

    Sparkie wrote :

    a 767 travelling at near to that of a speeding bullet [sic]

    What’s with the [sic] ? The words ‘speeding’ and ‘bullet’ are spelled correctly.
    And surely you’re not alleging, as you falsely did before, that a 767 drone travelling at 600 mph (as the plane that impacted with the Sth tower was), is not near to that of a speeding bullet ?

    After all, you did that in a previous thread, so I embarrassed you in front of the UR readers and emphatically showed that it was.
    You came back with some data on the muzzle velocity of a military spec rifle as I recall, whose bullets travelled at a higher velocity.
    Well done. Gold star on the forehead for you. You come first in your ‘Special Needs’ class.
    You confirmed [what we already know]. that different firearms have differing muzzle velocities and thus that bullets travel at varying speeds, depending on the weapon being utilised.

    Next, you write this :

    … and certainly the B-25 did not knock down the Empire State Building, or even come close to it.

    Why bother to mention this at all ?

    Only fools and disinfo peddlers are even hinting that a plane impact, even if it was a large wide bodied commercial plane, could possibly be responsible for the complete collapse of a modern skyscraper.
    I have never hinted that thus could be a possibility. In fact, it is in the archives of UR that I have said this :

    ‘A DOZEN wide bodied commercial aircraft could have impacted with the WTC in exactly the same spot, and the building would NOT have collapsed to the ground.
    Yes, in that scenario there would likely have been LOCALISED collapse in the vicinity of those floors that had been struck.

    But the building below the point of impact (ie: ALL the floors), would have stood for centuries – absent some external net force or calamity (like an earthquake/hurricane etc).

    That was never what we were debating.

    The debate was about whether or not a 767 travelling at immense speed could have PUNCTURED THE FACADE of the WTC or, as the ‘No Planers’ are claiming, that it would have just broken up externally to the building and slid down onto the pavement at street level.

    It is CLEAR that the plane would have punched a hole in the facade of the building.
    We KNOW this because Frank De Martinis says it himself, as you had written in your comment. ie:

    …. and the jet plane is just a pencil PUNCTURING that screen netting.

    Got it ?

    The ‘screen netting’ is a metaphor for the facade of the WTC.
    And De Martini clearly says ‘PUNCTURING’.
    He DOES NOT say ‘slamming into the WTC and fracturing into thousands of pieces and sliding down the face of he building to street level’.

    There is NO AMBIGUITY about that statement.

    Bottom Line : When De Martini and the other WTC engineers made their calculation for a plane slamming into the WTC, for certain they would have based that on the ONLY LIKELY SCENARIO that this could occur.
    ie: a plane perhaps caught in dense fog (like the B-25 that struck the Empire State in 1945), in the process of looking for the airport to land.
    In that situation, it would have been travelling at around 200-250 mph maximum, AS ALL LARGE COMMERCIAL PLANES ARE AT LOW ALTITUDE after scrubbing off a significant amount of speed in preparation for landing.

    Thus, the Boeing 707 (a much lighter plane than a 767), that De Martini and the other WTC engineers factored into their calculation (and coupled to its far lower speed), would have had a much lower Kinetic Energy than the 767 drone that did impact with the Sth Tower. (Similarly for the 767 drone that struck the Nth tower).

    CONCLUSION: If a Boeing 707 could PUNCTURE the WTC facade, then a fast moving 767 (with at least SIX (6) times more Kinetic Energy), could punch a huge hole through the ‘screen netting’ without breaking a sweat.

    And on the day of 9/11, it surely did – TWICE.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  351. profnasty says:
    @profnasty

    Amazing.
    This quote came from Amazing Polly.
    Now, recently, she has acquired an eye patch.
    She has lost an eye!
    Wonders never cease.

  352. Sparkon says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    a 767 travelling at near to that of a speeding bullet [sic]

    What’s with the [sic] ? The words ‘speeding’ and ‘bullet’ are spelled correctly.

    Yes they are, but your sentence was a mess. I added the “[sic]” so the reader would know it was you, not I, who left out the missing word.

    Traveling at near to what of a speeding bullet? You left out the word “velocity” or “speed.”

    To clarify what you were trying to write, and improve its grammar, you might have written: a 767 traveling at a velocity near to that of a speeding bullet, to at least maintain the clumsy, awkward style of your voluminous scribbling here, which relies on weasel words like “near.”

    And anyway, as I’ve told you before, a much more accurate statement is:

    The reputed WTC 767s were flying about as fast as a speeding BB.

    Of course, I know accuracy is not your thing. Nevertheless, I hope by now you accept that those box columns really did have four sides, not just one, but I see you’ve rushed past that, and have latched onto the word “puncture,” which can be done with bullets and sometimes pencils, but not so much with airplanes, which are much more likely to suffer punctures than deliver them.

    Virtually all bullets shot from firearms are supersonic; they are never aluminum (other than some sabots), let alone hollow aluminum, and they travel much faster than the reputed speeds of those mythical 767s at the WTC on 9/11. To penetrate steel armor, some anti-tank rounds are accelerated to hypersonic speeds, or 3500+ mph.

    And surely you’re not alleging, as you falsely did before, that a 767 drone travelling at 600 mph (as the plane that impacted with the Sth tower was), is not near to that of a speeding bullet ?

    Again, “near” is a weasel word. In any case, there were no 767s or drones that crashed into the Twin Towers on 9/11, so discussing their imaginary speeds is a red herring and a complete waste of time.

    It was all a magic act done with explosives and pyrotechnics, CGI and talking heads on the boob tube, and a number of liars on the ground, because, you know, “the TV was obviously on.”

    Image: Michael Hezarkhani
    911planeshoax.com

    Hezarkhani’s obviously fake image tells most of us all we need to know about those 767s. It’s a classic case of what Ivan Amato called Lying With Pixels

    CNN:

    HARRIS: These are incredible pictures that we’re watching this morning, thanks to our affiliate WNYW in New York…

    Here is the tape. You see the plane coming in from the east side and it goes into the building with the flames and the smoke billowing out the other side of the tower. It’s hard for me to tell exactly which is the north side and which is the south side. But it appears it’s coming out of south side there.

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html


    Psst: UA175’s image was prolly just looking for its hidey hole, but went too far, and had to reverse course and go back into the building, taking its puncture hole with it. Indeed, there was no puncture, hole or defect visible in later pictures taken of that area where UA175’s nose had seemed to protrude from the south side of WTC 2 in WNYW’s video, even casting a shadow on the tower’s facade.

    Indeed, the easiest punctures of all are those done with pixels.

    Let the viewer beware.

  353. smaragdus says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You are so incredibly stupid, so hopelessly soaked in Jewish deception and Jewish propaganda that no discussion with you is possible. The third Jewish world war is inevitable because bilions of idiots like you could not decipher the first and the second jewish world wars for decades. Idiots like you trust jewish puppet Putin as much as they once trusted (and many still do!) another jewish puppet- Hitler. For idiots like you the Perestroika was real, Russia is controlled not by Jewish oligarchs but by Russians, Putin is not Jewish, he is independent and he is not controlled by rabbi Berel Lazar, there is no censorship in Russia, there are no anti-semitism laws and those who doubt the Holohoax are not persecuted becsuse Russia is democratic, the war in Ukraine is real because Putin is not a Jewish pawn like Zelensky and this absurdly fake Jewish war is not meant to enkindle the third and final Jewish world war. Useful idiots like you are more detestable and more dangerous than the most wicked satanic Jews because you do not know what you are doing and who you are supporting. You ignorant idiots are betraying your own countries and nations worshipping the evil marauding Putin who, as a good and loyal puppet to his Jewish masters will come and destroy the last remnants of civilization before imposing communism worldwide and thus establishing the Jewish world order.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  354. @smaragdus

    Thanks for your input Mr Asparagus.

    You’re quite right – I don’t know what I was thinking to be supporting Putin.

    Of course Zelensky is obviously our saviour and Khazaria 2.0 is the ‘Promised Land’.

    • Replies: @Folkvangr
  355. walker says:

    CGI plane

    • Replies: @Iris
  356. Iris says:
    @walker

    Yes, that’s about it, an excellent executive summary:

    9/11 = Mossad + CGI planes + Controlled demolition + Nuclear explosives

  357. Folkvangr says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You have proved time and again in ALL your comments that you are INCAPABLE OF THINKING. You are probably not a person, but one of those “information warriors” spamming from “ZA PUTIN!” IDF/Mossad outlets in Tel-Aviv. My first approximation language analysis shows that you are not even human, but an AI bot!

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