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Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter has declared that there will be a thorough investigation of the recent U.S. destruction of a hospital in Afghanistan that killed 22, including 12 of the medical staff, with more than thirty still missing in the rubble. The hospital, run by Geneva-based Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders), had informed the U.S. headed international military force of both its location and its activities in order to avoid becoming a target for either side in fighting around Kunduz but that apparently was not enough. The U.S. military command in Afghanistan approved the bombing, which reportedly included multiple attacks from a C-130 gunship and lasted over half an hour, though there is some confusion over what constituted the “threat” that was being responded to, MSF claiming that there were no Taliban militants anywhere near their building either using it for shelter or as a firing point. Both MSF and some senior United Nations officials regard the attack as a war crime. President Barack Obama uncharacteristically apologized for a “mistake” though he took pains not to blame the U.S. military.

Ashton might be a brilliant physicist but he has never been a soldier in spite of his long service in the Department of Defense. I don’t doubt his good intentions when it comes to declaring United States government willingness to let the chips fall where they may but he has no idea what he is up against. The uniformed military will stonewall, run circles around him and work hard to construct a narrative that ultimately blames no one but the Afghans for what happened. In the unlikely event that they fail in that, a soldier at the low end of the process will be punished with a slap on the wrist to demonstrate that military justice works while pari passu protecting the senior commanders. And the report will not even appear until long after Kunduz is forgotten. At that point Congress and the White House will have no stomach for going after our valiant warriors so the buck will ultimately stop with a toothless report that accomplishes nothing at all.

The Secretary of Defense, who reportedly had a dual major at Yale that included medieval history, might well consider the historical precedents for his initiating an investigation. He should appreciate above all that the “A” word that must never be spoken inside the United States government is “accountability,” which is by design as the government must never be made to look bad. Without demanding accountability even meticulous investigations into possible war crimes have no meaning and are literally not worth the paper they are written on.

Carter’s historical review might well start with the massacre of more than 500 civilians at My Lai during the Vietnam War, which was only investigated by the army after journalist Seymour Hersh got hold of the story, leading to the current practice of embedding journalists to control the narrative. More recently there was Abu Ghraib, the Iraqi prison operated by U.S. forces and intelligence agencies in 2003. Systematic physical abuse of prisoners was widespread, to include rape, anal penetration with foreign objects, being hung from hooks, and even murder. Much of the evidence for the abuse was documented by photos and videos made by military personnel who supervised the process. The “enhanced interrogation” procedures used were sanctioned by Lieutenant General Richard Sanchez, who commanded U.S. forces, and were also endorsed by memos from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. The White House maintained that the Geneva Conventions protecting prisoners and the International Convention Against Torture, to which the United States was a signatory, did not apply in Iraq.

The “thorough investigation” of the crimes committed at Abu Ghraib resulted in courts martial of a number of low ranking servicemen and women, only two of whom received short prison sentences. At the higher levels there were only administrative penalties and the demotion of General Janet Karpinski, who was in charge of all the prison camps in Iraq. Karpinski has insisted that she was scapegoated as the command structure above her had explicitly authorized the interrogation techniques.

An after-the-fact Pentagon ordered review of the prison and its procedures conducted by Major General Antonio Taguba concluded “That between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees.” For his pains, Taguba was himself investigated after the report was leaked to the public. He observed “I’d been in the Army thirty-two years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.” He was subsequently ordered to retire, a typical response of punish the messenger whenever the Pentagon decides that it has been embarrassed.

The White House denied and later sought to downplay the Abu Ghraib story. In 2004 President George W. Bush finally apologized after the evidence of war crimes became indisputable, saying that he was “sorry for the humiliation.”

CIA interrogators, as well as Israeli “advisers,” were also involved in the torture program at Abu Ghraib and reportedly killed at least one prisoner. But the Agency simultaneously had its own show running at a network of “black site” secret prisons in Europe and Asia, some of which were operating under the same procedural rules on “enhanced interrogation” that prevailed in Iraq. Prisoners were waterboarded, which simulated drowning, sometimes repeatedly. At least one prisoner died from freezing to death and others were subjected to “rectal rehydration.” The interrogators were advised that only procedures leading to “organ failure” were prohibited.

Jose Rodriguez, at the time CIA’s Deputy Director for Operations, ordered destroyed the video tapes that had been made of many of the interrogations, arguing absurdly that they could be used by enemies of the United States to identify the interrogators. He was more motivated, one should assume, by protecting his own circle of senior officers by destroying the evidence, which one might consider a successful outcome from his point of view.

The December 2014 Senate Intelligence Committee’s report reveals that no CIA officials have ever been reprimanded or held accountable in any way for using torture to interrogate detainees: “CIA officers and CIA contractors who were found to have violated CIA policies or performed poorly were rarely held accountable or removed from positions of responsibility. CIA managers who were aware of failings and shortcomings in the program but did not intervene, or who failed to provide proper leadership and management, were also not held to account [and] accountability recommendations were overruled by senior CIA leadership. As detailed in the study, there was no accountability for personnel responsible for the extended detention of individuals determined by the CIA to have been wrongly detained.”

Subsequently, the only known CIA participant in the “enhanced interrogation” regime to be punished was John Kirakou, imprisoned after exposing the existence of the program in 2007.

George W. Bush, even defended the interrogations in advance of the Senate report’s release last year, calling the CIA officials connected to it “patriots.” Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who pledged that if he had to do it all over again he would, reviled the report as “full of crap,” a “terrible piece of work” and “deeply flawed.”

More recently, a gaggle of retired senior CIA officials, most of whom were participants in the torture program, produced their own response to the Senate allegations. It is a short book called Rebuttal: The CIA Responds to the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Study of Its Detention and Interrogation Programs.

The CIA’s response goes something like this: the Senate report on torture was written by Democrats who were out to get the Agency and is therefore little more than a partisan hatchet job that targeted some senior officers. The book includes multiple assertions that the senators and their staffers willfully ignored things like “context,” which means that anything was permissible as everyone was terrified that a terrorist group based in Afghanistan was about to existentially threaten the United States.

As some of the book’s co-authors, to include former Director George Tenet, his deputies John McLaughlin, Jose Rodriguez, and Mike Morell, as well as the current Director of Central Intelligence John Brennan, were part and parcel of the process approving and implementing the enhanced interrogation procedures, one would have to believe that they have a lot to answer for. But instead of accountability we now have a book sugarcoating how and why the United States chose the dark side, a book written in expectation that a considerable hunk of the public will continue to believe that torture not only works but also that it is perfectly acceptable when a nation is “under stress” as it was after 9/11.

Both the public and the authors would prefer not to consider that opening the door to torture as official policy provides justification for Washington’s actual enemies to do the same when they capture a U.S. citizen, something that every American traveler abroad might consider before setting out. And one might also marvel at a book by the CIA (which reviewed and approved the text) propagandizing its point of view on torture, something that is illegal as the Agency is forbidden from seeking to influence domestic opinion in the U.S.

Only in the United States would a book justifying torture written by a group of former senior government officials be taken seriously enough to find a readership or publisher, which is something that Ashton Carter should perhaps consider before he launches his investigation. No one was held accountable for what were indisputably war crimes committed with the complete approval of the U.S. government going all the way up to the White House level. And today many of the perpetrators are regarded as heroes.

As it is a given that no senior official or officer in the United States government will ever be held responsible for anything, instead of calling for an investigation Ashton Carter might just as well respond “Sure we bombed that hospital. What are you going to do about it?” Or even better “Accountability? That’s just a word that begins with ‘a.’”

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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I find it offensive that Jews constantly parade us with moralistic movies about how horribly the Jews were treated with the narrative being that the goyim should jave been brave and stood up for what was right.

    Meanwhile they take part in torturing and killing others. Not sensing or not caring about the hypocrisy involved.

  2. More evidence of a corrupt — criminal — State….as if more evidence were needed
    (Not that i am suggesting that such evidence should not be ventilated on all possible occassions)

  3. MEexpert says:

    The answer is very simple. Jews are the chosen people. Americans are exceptional. Muslims are terrorists. Result! kill the Mulsims.

    In every atrocity around the world, either the perpetrators or the instigators have been Jews. When they get caught, they scream holocaust and every body runs with their tails between their legs. Look what they have been doing in Palestine for the past sixty years but the world is behaving like the three monkeys. If anyone says anything, they are labeled as anti-Semitic.

    America will never change unless the people wake up. They have to vote the present crop of politicians out from congress and also keep them out of the white house. Until then we will deserve what we vote in. This is called democracy.

    Perpetrators are heroes and the whistleblowers are the culprits.

  4. @Anonymous

    That really does call for a question about whether you were brought up with Matthew 7: 3-5 about motes and beams and hypocrisy. Certainly your comment would be a bit rich coming from an American.

    • Replies: @jackson
  5. @Anonymous

    they are forever playing victims. while during ww2, plenty of others were treated the same or worst.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Neither Barack Obama or Ash Carter are Jewish

  7. Art says:

    “Jews constantly parade us with moralistic movies about how horribly the Jews were treated”

    Between WWI and WWII the commie Jews in Russia killed 20,000,000 Europeans.

    Next time some Jew starts flapping his righteous mouth, remind him of his tribes total disregard for human life.

    Those evil Jews set the stage for what happened in the Nazis work camps – karma!

  8. Kiza says:

    “The White House maintained that the Geneva Conventions protecting prisoners and the International Convention Against Torture, to which the United States was a signatory, did not apply in Iraq.”

    All “investigations” end this simple way – if the US or Israel do it, it is not murder then self defense and it is not torture then enhanced interrogation.

    One day, the US and Israeli citizens will be ripping their passports apart not to be identified as such and executed or tortured themselves based on similar legal criteria. The killers and torturers only need to play word games and invent cute terms for their crimes and say that laws and conventions do not apply in their case (exceptional).

    For a short list of the recent deliberate US bombing of civilian targets peruse the following link:

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  9. @Anonymous

    You shouldn’t be offended.

    This is classic psychological warfare they’re waging on us: to use their self-declared enemy’s predisposition towards universal empathy – something that they themselves do not and can not experience – to guilt-trip and ultimately disarm them.

    Next time a Jew plays the victim card and curses you with names such as “anti-Semite” or “Jew-hater” or “Nazi”, just shrug and retort “So what?”. Trust me, this works wonders!!

    • Replies: @nickels
  10. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of the infamous dictatorships have denied use of torture in interrogation and in extracting confessions because even they have sensed that it would reflect badly on them. Not so the US who has loudly announced a policy of torture from the rooftops as though it were something to be proud of. The sense of impunity inherent in that is glaring. Might makes right is obviously the reigning principle, never mind all the church sermons about how dropping bombs on one country or another is a form of liberating them.
    America is a violent, aggressive country. Always was, always will be. The sooner people wake up to this historical fact the more clearly they’ll be able to think. This didn’t start just yesterday. Begin with the Spanish-American war where it saw it’s opportunity and grabbed the Philippines, beating down their rebellion and inserting itself into Asia. The trajectory ever since then has been that of opportunistically expanding it’s hold by moving in whenever others were weak. Civilians have always been routinely targeted in all of our wars. This is a country that’s used things like napalm, thermite, cluster bombs, Agent Orange, massive fire bombing raids and atomic bombs. There’s nothing the US won’t do, nothing.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  11. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website

    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress
    Who owns the White House?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ‘6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions.
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard.
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the biggest racists on the planet?

  12. Note that it wasn’t a regular US military aircraft that killed those people, but a SpecOps AC-130, which is part of the independent “lawless” arm of our war machine. How many American SpecOps soldiers died fighting in that city so far? We don’t know, it’s none our business. But if several were just killed in that city, a mad a General may have ordered revenge against what he knows are savages.

    Also note that an American C-130 aircraft had crashed nearby a couple days before. The most that was revealed that it was hit “by a rising object” while talking off. Sounds like a common RPG. And the seizure of this city is very embarrassing to Generals who keep insisting that we are winning in Afghanistan.

    “Accidents” happen when angry Generals scream at junior officers to kill some ragheads, and not to worry about any damn rules. “An eye for an eye” BS against those helping “terrorists.” Investigators will get nowhere as they will be told they must get clearance for them to discuss this classified mission, and that will never be granted by their Generals.

    That hospital is a well know feature located in an open area far from other big buildings with just a few houses near one side. Security guards allow no weapons in the compound. This wasn’t a fast moving jet lobbing a bomb. An AC-130 slowly circles its target, so its crew knew exactly what it was attacking, and continued the attack for an hour. Notice how quickly MSF left after the bombing. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were ordered to leave the city by the American imperial warlords before the bombing, but assumed the Americans would never attack them as was suggested.

    • Replies: @anti_republocrat
  13. @Anonymous

    Neither Barack Obama or Ash Carter are Jewish.

    I don’t know enough about Ash Carter, but I do know that Obama speaks and acts exactly like a secular Jew.

    Secular Jews are the architects of the American-Israeli diversity scheme and the ideological leaders of the US Democrat party.

    Conservative Jews are the ideological leaders of the US republican party.

  14. Both the public and the authors would prefer not to consider that opening the door to torture as official policy provides justification for Washington’s actual enemies to do the same when they capture a U.S. citizen, something that every American traveler abroad might consider before setting out

    Actually, this comes close to one of the most ancient principles of the International Common Law “No nation may go against its own acts” (as old as Rome.) So, you’re spot on Phil.

    That said, I view Feinstein’s senate report as little more that a case of professional hand-wringing with a strong element of ‘CYA’

    Beyond this, what needs close exam is the poisoning of our military by elements best described as ‘Christian Taliban’…

    …whose regard for Muslim life is sub-zero. Doctors Without Borders treating Taliban wounded, no different to other casualties, could easily make them a target in the minds of crusading bigots.

  15. The euphemism you’ll hear Republicans and Democrats use to justify ridiculous foreign policies and activities is “American Exceptionalism”.

    Basically, American Exceptionalism means that US-Israeli leaders believe US-Israel can ignore international laws and customs.

    One easy solution is to do nothing when Interpol arrests a traveling US president and his accessory minions and jails them for war crimes.

  16. @Joe Franklin

    Ashton Carter participated with Dennis Ross (aka Mordechai) in drafting the September 2008 (i.e. before the next president was elected) plan for negotiating with Iran

    The proposal emphasized schemes to give the appearance that USA was negotiating in good faith and being more than generous, while offering terms that Iran would most likely have to reject. Thereupon the onus for rejecting a deal would be borne by Iran.

    It’s not an original scheme; WWI comes to mind.

    The paper that Carter and Ross contributed to was prepared for Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Michele Flournoy is CEO of CNAS. Recall that Flournoy’s name was among the first mentioned to succeed Chuck Hagel as SecDef but she withdrew her name from consideration rather quickly and Ashton Carter took the job.
    Take a quick peek at the Board of Directors of CNAS; a rogue’s gallery os neocons, neolibs, warmongers and war profiteers. And Joe Lieberman.


    Carter was in Italy recently, boxing in the Italians, those dumb Italians, to continue to provide cover for the USA’s continued rape of Afghanistan and also to continue to try to clean up the mess the US made in Libya.

  17. Psuedonym says:

    Suppose the holocaust is a huge exaggeration? The real records would be in the Soviet archives. If those records show that the holocaust was really an excuse to hang Germans, rearrange the world, create Israel and excuse Jewish atrocities on Russians from 1917 on, then what? What if the Russians released the truth or threatened too? AIPAC would collapse. Israel would lose its holocaust shield (Golem), the excuse for whatever it does. Germany would be free to become free. The USA would be free to chart a new course.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sam Shama
  18. @Anonymous

    Barak Obama, a war criminal, is worse. He is a servant of zionist jews, enemy of humanity.

  19. @Psuedonym

    Such a scenario would create an employment bonanza.

    Electricians would be in-demand to re-wire millions of minds that have closed circuits, and other millions that would blow a fuse upon confronting truths rather than false narratives.

    Firms like Molly’s Maids might will be in demand to sanitize the US House and Senate buildings, tho they might want to change their name to “Augean Stables R US”.

    Think of the market in new textbooks that would tell the real history of US involvement in WWII rather than the ADL-scripted and demanded version.

    Teacher training/re-training will employ countless professionals — update your resumes, all you students of Mark Weber and IHR.

    Plumbers might find new opportunities to partner with Molly’s Maids and create environmentally-friendly methods of disposing of mountains of lies, deceit, falsehoods.

    Folks who today rely on hamburger flipping are advised to investigate new opportunities. If Pseudonym’s scenario comes about, half of K Street and 4/5 of the think-tank industry will be pounding the pavement looking for ways to supplement their income at the Call Center in order to keep current on the mortgage on their $2 million Chevy Chase digs. — or the attorneys to represent them at the Hague.

    Those with an entrepreneurial bent will think ways to retrofit holocaust museums. Skating rinks? Electro-dance auditoriums? How about intake centers and temporary housing and educational opportunities for the millions of Palestinians, Arabs, Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis that Anglo-zionists have displaced over the last 3/4 century?

    Will undermining the holocaust include undermining the corollary federal reserve/debt money system? ( see Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy, and )

    An entire new field of study will open up — Sound and Honest Finance. Serious scholars and students of Sharia Finance,

    as well as Sharia-compliant investors, may find opportunities.

  20. Nothing to add, Phil. You’ve said it all and said it well. Thanks for the clear thinking and the courage to speak the truth. I know it ain’t always easy.

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Excellent. Thank you. Keep your head up and keep up the good work.

  22. Atrocities are not just a part of war. War itself is an atrocity. A just nation should engage in a war only if the casus belli is worth setting aside all pretense of being civilized and committing unspeakable crimes against mass numbers of other people. Hence, I favor peace unless and until engaging in an atrocious war is actually better than not doing so.

    That said, it would be refreshing to see some garment-rending in these same quarters about the unspeakable crimes being committed by people such as ISIS. Would you share with us your concerns there, Mr. Giraldi?

    Because that way we’d know that the garment-rending was really about civilization, or human decency, or some such. And we’d have something to reply to those who dismiss an article like this one by noting the old definition of “liberal” is a guy who won’t take his own side in a fight.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
  23. annamaria says:

    “…it would be refreshing to see some garment-rending in these same quarters about the unspeakable crimes being committed by people such as ISIS.”
    Sure. A man whose child was reduced to a bag of meat would commit unspeakable atrocities in response to the illegally waged mayhem and distraction ordered by the 5-deferment scum Cheney and faux cowboy/degenerate X-tian Bush. (Out of curiosity: Would you personally abstain from avenging the murder of your children, siblings, beloved partner, elderly parents?) The whole bunch of the smiling and pontificating Israel-firsters (from PNAC and AIPAC) should have been used already as body-parts supply for the innocent victims (of all ages) of the neocons’ grandiose plans in the Middle East.
    As for the questions, what has created ISIS and what country has armed ISIS, the answers have been emerging, steadily.
    “Special Ops Officer Blows Whistle on CIA Funded ISIS Through Swiss Bank Accounts:”
    “US Created The Islamic State (ISIS) for Sake of Israel and Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor:”
    “Did George W. Bush Create ISIS?:”

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  24. Sam Shama says:

    Suppose I were to to pose the following questions:
    (1) Where in this article (not in the comments) did you encounter an allusion or reference to the Holocaust?
    (2) Do you dream about the Holocaust on a regular basis? If you do not, what made you suddenly decide on the utility of this line of thought (other than provide a perfect opening for certain persons to re-write a well worn allegory)
    (3)OTOH If you do dream of the Holocaust on a regular basis, do you surmise it to be the result of the Jewish controlled media which has you in a state of full mind control?
    (4) If indeed (3) is answered in the affirmative, do you then consider the smart section of the goyim (and there is by definition of a normal distribution some 32% with +1 s.d. above the mean, to actually be pretty slow-witted?
    (5) If (4) is answered in the affirmative, how do you possibly expect this dumb lot to counteract the machinations of the admittedly vile Jews even with Russian help?
    (6) What if the Russians even roughly corroborate the standard version.

    How you you respond categorically? (hint and help: answer them carefully)

    As an aside: Dr. Giraldi, should you feel up to it, perhaps you would consider writing a piece on the Holocaust and expose it for what it is: wholly accurate, partially accurate or wholly fabricated. Many, including yours truly, will learn something from it and even modify deeply held convictions.I hereby promise not to make a fuss and even forcefully support its scholarly premise and keep the enforcers at the ADL at bay to the best of my ability 🙂

  25. jackson says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Jew logic: Christians by definition cannot criticize Jews.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  26. nickels says:
    @Cute little baby

    Better yet start talking about German excellence and quoting the glorious Mein Kampf.

    • Replies: @Cute little baby
  27. @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam

    I think you’ve given Phil a tall order. I take the position if it wasn’t six million, it certainly wasn’t for lack of effort on the part of the Nazis. They set out to murder as many Ashkenazi as they possibly could and most certainly killed a LOT of European Jews, I would hazard a guess easily in excess of one million and likely by far more than that. People arguing over numbers is often anti-Semitic inspired effort to detract from that fact.

    Now, with that said, I am also of the opinion the Israeli right, particularly, and those Jews elsewhere of supportive persuasion to a ‘Greater Israel’, set out to milk the holocaust for all it’s worth, cheapening the record of the fact there was a concerted effort to wipe out Europe’s Jews. This is both damaging to all Jews, irrespective of political persuasion and ultimately lends strength to a growing anti-Semitic body politic and undermines the legitimacy of the State of Israel in any case, in the minds of many who might otherwise be open to the idea of a legitimate entity established at least ‘somewhat’ based in United Nations will and international law (we should have that discussion one day, on how we would be in partial disagreement over the period of 1947-49.)

    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Philip Giraldi
  28. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    This Afghan attack is bad stuff, but I think it was a mistake.
    It had to have been. I can’t imagine anyone sick enough to bomb a hospital for the hell of it.

    To that extent, it isn’t comparable to Mylai or USS Liberty that were deliberate.

    PS. Commies committed lots of atrocities too. Not that two wrongs make a right, but war turns lots of people into mad killers.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  29. Sam Shama says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Hi Ron,

    I am also of the opinion the Israeli right, particularly, and those Jews elsewhere of supportive persuasion to a ‘Greater Israel’, set out to milk the holocaust for all it’s worth, cheapening the record of the fact there was a concerted effort to wipe out Europe’s Jews. This is both damaging to all Jews, irrespective of political persuasion and ultimately lends strength to a growing anti-Semitic body politic and undermines the legitimacy of the State of Israel

    I won’t dispute that a certain segment of the population, both here and in Israel do still attempt to derive benefit from it. Shame on them. I wish to quantify how much of that exploitative behaviour is still in existence. To be clear, I am not attempting to whitewash the deleterious influence of the Lobby, yet their influence imho, is attributable to financial factors. The ‘Greater Israel’ crowd are a stupid despicable lot driven by zeal, mendacious interpretation of jewish law and cynically exploited by a well-funded leadership (Bibi, Bennet etc). Their reliance on the Holocaust is peripheral. Today, there are many synagogues that do categorically forbid the invocation of the Holocaust for any purpose other than on Yom Hashoah. I would say that most of them reflect your interpretation of cheapening, any deliberate use of it, other than on the remembrance day. Many actual survivours refuse monetary payments offered them from numerous sources. What I say to those whose peoples have been similarly subjected to genocides: remember them so that we do not repeat, and engage in actions that blunt and defeat atrocities that are being committed in the present day.

    Now to bring a semblance of relevance to Dr. Giraldi’s piece, one could easily make the connection between the proliferative neocon crowd in all branches of the government today, and their abhorrence of the ‘a’ word. To the extent that jews are significantly represented in that crowd, examining their reliance on the Holocaust is a fair enough endeavour. Again motive and determinative or causative factor have to be established.

    in any case, in the minds of many who might otherwise be open to the idea of a legitimate entity established at least ‘somewhat’ based in United Nations will and international law (we should have that discussion one day, on how we would be in partial disagreement over the period of 1947-49.)

    Happy to discuss it.

  30. Psuedonym says:
    @Sam Shama

    @Ronald Thomas West

    1. Didn’t
    2. No
    3. n/a
    4. n/a
    5. n/a
    6. Then, is it Russia’s best interest to tell the truth if it lied or exaggerated in the past?

    I made up this joke.

    A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim find themselves knee deep in a puddle. Three things are known:
    1. Their predicament is much worse for the Jew.
    2. The Jew is not at fault.
    3. If you ask the Jew if he has any idea how we ended up in the puddle, you are an anti-Semite.

    p.s. I like Jews generally and appreciate their contributions. But, if the Zionists and neocons are going to get my family vaporized in WW 3 and as a coward with a hopefully hidden identity, I thought I would make a suggestion from the dark.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sam Shama
  31. @Ronald Thomas West

    Sam and Ronald – I trained as a historian but wound up as a spy. As a historian, I believe that making a judgment on an issue like “the Holocaust” requires careful examination of every relevant document before coming to any conclusions on what took place, why it happened, and what lessons should be learned relating to it. I have not done that and, again as a historian, I would imagine that we are not far enough distanced from the event to have a good perspective on it. Do I know what the Germans intended to do with the Jewish population of Europe? No I don’t. Do I know if they killed “six million”? No I don’t but my instincts tell me that good round numbers are rarely based on actual evidence. There is a lot of mythology surrounding major historic events and the Holocaust is not immune from that so I would have to defer to experts who have studied the documents for their judgments, while also observing that many of the experts have agendas and their conclusions might not exactly be reliable. I guess that makes me somewhat of an agnostic about any accepted wisdom relating to the Second World War in general. As a spy, I know how the historical record can be manipulated and even perverted by those who are interested in establishing a narrative. I have done it myself and know how it is done. So don’t believe anything unless you have visual and tactile evidence that it is true. That is more or less the point of my article – that the United States government promotes a lot of lies and half truths about almost everything, including the war crimes that it has carried out, most particularly since we began our “global war on terror.”

  32. RobinG says:

    Speaking of Black Sites, ghost prisoner AAFIA SIDIQUI, accused in Afghanistan, jailed in Texas.
    Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark has described Siddiqui’s case as “The worst case of individual injustice I have ever seen.”

    Siddiqui’s ordeal began in March 2003, when she and her three children were kidnapped by unknown assailants in Karachi, Pakistan. Later that month she was transferred to U.S. representatives. According to Steve Downs, an attorney and co-founder of Project SALAM, “The American government asked Pakistani authorities to arrest Siddiqui based on false information. She was then sent as a ghost prisoner to a black site.”

    Siddiqui was held for five years and then released in Ghazni, where she was arrested by Afghan police.

    In the December 2010 Washington Report, Mauri’ Saalakhan described the events as follows:

    “The U.S. government claims that shortly after American soldiers and FBI agents arrived at the compound to take Dr. Siddiqui into their custody, she charged through a curtain, grabbed a soldier’s M-4 rifle off the floor, removed the safety and fired it at the U.S. personnel in the room while screaming expletives. Aafia’s version is dramatically different, however. She testified that when she heard the voices of Americans entering the room, she immediately thought about the ‘secret prison’ and feared going back there. As she peered through the curtain looking for an escape route, one of the soldiers saw her and panicked, shouting, ‘The prisoner is free!’ According to Aafia, he then took out his sidearm and shot her twice in the stomach.”

    UNDISPUTED: Aafia was the only party injured in this incident.

    Gravel calls for Aafia’s release from US prison–

  33. @jackson

    I hear what you say but I’m not sure who or what it is aimed at @#26

  34. @Sam Shama

    Psst. I won’t tell anyone Sam but you obviously haven’t been riding the HBD charger long enough for Bell Curve stuff to come trippingly off the tongue like “Your shout mate” and other everyday pleasantries. The 32 per cent includes both ends of the distribution….

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  35. Tony says:
    @Joe Franklin

    C’mon now, really? Obama is about as Jewish as George Bush.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  36. @Philip Giraldi

    But without doing the heavy research which I respect you for putting on yourself as a condition you could perhaps give us a readable counterfactual. If I were to have another lifetime to prepare I would hypothesise no WW1, UK if not French fertility for the Germans in the 20s and Russians by the 40s and… to get to the point… Jews so successfully leading the main European cultures into which they had largely assimilated (OK distinctions to be made between the West and East even without a Bolshevik Revolution) that despite their still being visibly enough Jewish to provoke and maintain traditional German and French envy and loathing – Anglos merely temperising with quotas and crude jokes – that Israel would never have got past theme park status for eastern Ashkenazi who found enough absentee landlords to sell land in Palestine…
    Of course you would portray a totally different course for those clever hardworking Germans. Instead of being the traumatised lot they are still – even increasingly on average – because of what they learned about Original Sin as they looked back with open eyes on the 30s and 40s and realised that it applied to Germans – you would have the old arrogant German….. But they, having well and truly overtaken the UK as the industrial and scientific powerhouse of Europe would still be dangerous of course and not in the least guilty about Alsace and Lorraine. Would that burgeoning population (2 million births in 1913) have ceased to compel action with primitive ideas about Lebensraum?
    Perhaps that hypothetical would be most interesting if run in parallel with another which just started with the US not creating the conditions for Nazi victory in the 1933 election….(keeping it simple one could leave Woodrow Wilson and the 1920 Congress out of it: just blame the Fed!).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  37. @Psuedonym

    Did you make up someone to laugh at your joke too 🙂

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  38. Sam Shama says:

    Nice joke. I’ll use it some day. I have the answers I was looking for and you needn’t fear the discovery of your identity.

    p.s: I actually like people of various ethnicities, Germans, English, French, Arabs, Indians, Chinese and, especially Italians, with whom Jews have shared a long history and which did not begin by the way, in Brooklyn, but much farther back in history at Jerusalem 🙂

  39. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Yes my mistake I was hoping no one would catch it, dammit! I was going to correct it to half of that 🙂 with an addendum, but decided to wing it. Thanks mate!

  40. @The Grate Deign

    You can’t avoid either culpability or accountability for your own evil acts in the final moral weighing by distracting attention with those of others. Those others will make just the same claim. But we are all responsible for our own choices.

    Our biggest problem is that not only does our United States go abroad, seeking monsters to destroy, but that it then creates them if it doesn’t find enough of them. The genealogy of today’s monsters is to be direct descendants of freedom fighters (someone else’s terrorists) that the United States once funded, trained and armed to do proxy battle with the Soviets. They were promised independence, but as Andrew Bacevich just pointed out, liberty and freedom are really just our euphemisms for becoming a dominated satrapy under the American empire. Thus, seeking independence, having the arms we supplied and the same will that defeated the Soviets, they morphed from our yesteryear’s freedom fighters to this year’s terrorists, no longer our SOB’s in the foreign policy parlance.

    Worse, recent revelations and evolving events reveal that the administration and Foggy Bottom have been playing both ends against the middle, which are the millions of ordinary people terrorized by all sides into becoming war refugees. Covertly, America’s been funding, training and even advising branches of Al Qaeda in Syria. ISIS military leaders have even been covertly trained and funded by the U.S., hoped that they will unleash their fury on the Syrian government they have sought to overthrow, despite the lack of any public mandate to do so since the public opposition more than a year ago. It is simply not credible that $500 million or two billion went to train four or five “moderate” rebels. In any case, what moderate rebels? Are their machine guns, bombs and RPGs more moderate in their destruction of human life than anyone else’s?

    This situation is the fulfillment of the worst atrocity of war, when we no longer have any rational objective, except to fight on just the same side as everyone else, that of death and destruction.

  41. @Philip Giraldi

    There’s no doubt whatsoever that genocide of Jews was planned by Nazis and that it was begun to be carried out on a mass scale, with millions perishing. Of course other millions of civilians were butchered too – and multiples more were killed in combat and in bombings of civilians, by all sides.

    This is as provable as anything that can be known, and anyone who claims not to be familiar enough with the materials ought to refrain from casting doubt until they take the responsibility to find out, especially when they are becoming a credible voice. I might point out that acknowledging this genocide does not at all detract from valid criticisms of Israeli politics and policies, even though those actors always try to use it as a fig leave to cover their own morally questionable tactics now.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @Moi
  42. @Tony

    C’mon now, really? Obama is about as Jewish as George Bush.

    Never said Obama is Jewish.

    I said Obama speaks and acts exactly like he is a secular Jew.

    Obama advocates all of the favorite privileges and goals of secular Jews, including…

    Abortion on demand
    Undue federal privileges for queers
    Restraint of Israeli attacks on Muslims
    Affirmative Action for diversity people
    Undue federal privileges for women
    Undue federal privileges for afro-blacks
    Porn protected as free speech
    Federal anti-discrimination laws for diversity people
    Slavish US military, monetary, diplomatic, political, logistic, and intelligence support for Jewish Israel
    Most DHS homeland security grants for ensuring Jewish security
    Taxpayer bailouts for Jewish Wall Street and Federal Reserve investment businesses
    Holocaust victim cult propaganda in public schools, colleges, museums, and mass media
    Federal Laws that prohibit Americans to boycott Israeli goods.
    Disproportionate Jewish representation in the US Senate and USSC
    Disproportionate Jewish representation Federal Reserve System Governors (4 of 7)
    Federal and state anti-discrimination laws for Jewish people
    US Government war mongering and propaganda to impose Jewish diversity scheme on foreign nations
    Hate speech prosecutions in favor of Jewish people, and other protected classes
    Preferential US immigration, citizenship, and asylum policies for Jewish people
    Israeli agents not required to register as foreign agents in the US
    Jewish diversity scheme promoted as a US Government national domestic policy
    Government tax breaks and grants for Jewish schools and synagogues and NGOs
    Jewish monopoly of FCC regulated broadcast media
    Official cover-up of Jewish and Israeli terrorism and espionage against the US
    Disproportionate number of Jewish people in cushy federal employment
    US national Jewish American Heritage Month and Holocaust Remembrance Day
    Democrat Party espouses secular Judaism political ideology
    US Federal Courts ignore 1st amendment separation of Judaism and state
    Jewish Bolshevism white-washed in school history books
    Relentless Jewish diversity freak agitprop in TV and Radio, newspapers, FedGov propaganda
    US immigration biased for hoards of unskilled diversity people, not for highly skilled people
    Government spyware inside Jewish developed software, including Facebook and Windows

    George W. Bush is a neo-conservative Judaism ideologue, rather obviously.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  43. @Wizard of Oz

    Excuse the licence I’m taking to travel far off piste (OK amongst those those who will kindly say they thought I was probably playing the 14th hole anyway…) but anyone interested in Germany and Germans of the 1940s may be interested to know or be reminded of a 2001 documentary called “The Good German”. I saw it on TV last night for the first time.

    Werner Heisenberg, described as “the greatest physicist of the 20th century” had been in trouble with the Nazis for teaching “Jewish science” and mentioning Einstein but the only reason that he and other non Jewish German physicists hadn’t produced an atom bomb for Hitler was because he had miscalculated the critical mass of U235 needed for a bomb. It was about 1 kg and not the 7000 he calculated.

    Fortunately the breakthrough was made in Birmingham UK in 1940 by a couple of emigrés German Jews who got it right (and surprised and alarmed those who understood).

    The reason the truth about Heisenberg is now known (if not what exactly was said between him and Neils Bohr in 1940 or 41) is that he and other German scientists were bugged by British intelligence in August 1945 when news of Hiroshima was broadcast.

  44. Some years ago I got a parking ticket for an offense I did not think I committed.

    I HAD a permit to park in that spot. I should not have been ticketed.

    I appeared before a Parking Court magistrate and said with all of the clarity and righteousness and conviction muster able: There’s no doubt that my car has a permit to park in that spot. The decal is on the car; It is as provable as anything that can be known.

    The magistrate said: Show me the evidence.

  45. @Fran Macadam

    I take your point about $500 million or two billion producing unbelievably little that is admitted to. But where is your credible evidence that the US has trained or supplied either Al Qaeda or ISIS? And, very important, when is it supposed to have happened?

    ISIS long ago supplied itself very well with American equipment supplied to the Iraqi army. Are you referring to a time before or after that and what would that have to do with Syria?

    I can just about imagine some conspiraorial diversion of ISIS away from Iraq to Syria but is that your version? And how do you make it plausible in detail, including timing?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  46. @Philip Giraldi

    ” . . . That is more or less the point of my article–that the United States government promotes a lot of lies and half truths about almost everything, including the war crimes that it has carried out, most particularly since we began our ‘global war on terror.’”

    No argument there!

  47. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Well, well, looky here.

    So many idiots and liars say Obama’s policy in the Middle East was a big failure, but it was a huge success… in Zionist eyes. They bitch in public but celebrate in private. Neocons and Lib Zionists are so happy to see the whole Middle East and North Africa up in flames.
    And they even have plans for Europe… for it to be taken over by refugees and stop being a white continent. That way, globalist Jewish elites will be able to rule EU forever in divide-and-rule way among whites and Muslims.

  48. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website


    Trotsky strategy vs Maoist strategy.

    Which will win?

    During the Russian Civil War, the Reds held the big cities whereas the Whites held the countryside. The Reds won.

    In the Chinese Civil War, the Nationalists held most of the big cities and the communists surrounded the cities from the countryside. Communists won.

    In Syria, Putin is betting on the Trotskyite victory. Assad still holds most of the big cities but they are surrounded. As long as the cities are held long enough, will the rebels fail?

    USSR held onto Leningrad, Stalingrad, and Moscow in WWII. And then the rollback happened.

    If you can hold the cities for long enough, you can win.

    Gadfly of Libya failed to hold the cities. He lost.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ISIS’ Chechen born commander, their most successful, was funded and trained.

  50. @Joe Franklin

    I forgot to add this important secular Judaism/ Democrat promoted privilege:

    Free health care, social security, and public services for illegal alien diversity people.

  51. @nickels

    But that is the “Nazi” slur.

    Need something new and exciting!

  52. America now has along history of what could be termed “war crimes” . Most over the years have been covered up. America refuses to be held accountable by international law. While using international law against other nations. Has exercised its veto on the UN security council in support of Israeli more times than all the other permanent security council members combined. In 2002 bush (probably foreseeing war crimes allegations) signed the American Service-Members’ Protection Act into fed law. This law enables the USA to use military force to free American citizens held for trail by the International Criminal Court.

  53. @Anonymous

    They both are just employees; good, loyal employees.

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama


    One thing about the Holocaust that bothers me is that so many other Jews were complicit in the Holocaust itself. Guys like George Soros unapologetically talk about it.

    Now sure there are probably people who worked with the Nazis because they were afraid of their lives. But what about Jews who worked with the Nazis because they had something to gain?

    My own take is that Zionist Jews helped round up and slaughter non Zionist Jews because they saw them as a problem for worldwide Jewery just like Jews saw Jesus as a problem that needed to be eliminated. The Jews at the top might have seen this as an opportunity to profit off of the loss of an few hundred thousand jews so they didn’t mind culling the flock.

    The number of Jews killed is something I am skeptical of because of the intense taboo of questioning the number due to the degree of Jews imbedded in the academic and media fields.

    So crazy conspiracy theories are not out of the question because this subject has not really been scrutinized much independently.

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    , @Sam Shama
    , @mad1
  55. Moi says:

    The Jews are the Chosen, we are the Exceptional–that makes both of us above the law as well as not being bound to the moral and honorable behavior expected of ordinary mortals.

  56. Moi says:

    and the Clintons aren’t bankers–but they still love Wall St.

  57. @Anonymous

    It’s not that “Zionist” Jewish people were co-opted by the Nazis, but there were, as there have been among all nations and people those of their own of questionable character who have been instrumental in their peoples’ betrayal.

    This was well documented at Adolf Eichmann’s Jerusalem trial. It was controversial to report it, because many Jewish people felt that a narrative that had any Jewish people at all, no matter how few, especially leaders, contributing to their own demise would detract from the message that the Jewish people were victims of Nazism. Hannah Arendt’s reporting of the trial for the New Yorker was therefore vilified, because she didn’t leave these facts out in her coverage, and she lost some of her best friends. But there’s no way she could be said to have rehabilitated Eichmann or Nazis in any way, for they remained nonetheless guilty for what they decided to do against all morality. Even if it is the banality of the evil of the bureaucrat who claims to be just carrying out policy, that ends up causing great harm. Which leaves the question for us all, are any of us collaborators or even “little Eichmanns”? Will any of us be held accountable to God, even if we can for the present hide behind a government that never is?

  58. Moi says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Mr. Giraldi,

    You have my vote if you decide to run for prez. You are that rare person–an intelligent and honorable man!

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  59. Moi says:
    @Fran Macadam

    When we can’t even account accurately for people killed in recent wars–how the hell do we know if it was 6M…and not 4M or 10M?

    The revisionists make a strong case against the 6M number and about a lot of the BS about Nazi Germany. But you have to have an open mind….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  60. @Fran Macadam

    Thanks for your thoughtful and articulate reply. A couple of reactions.

    First, SOBs are a brute fact in this fallen world. Since America remains the dominant military and economic power on earth, we can have three possible relationships with them. 1) They are our SOBs and thus not attacking us. 2) They are enemy SOBs, thus actively or potentially attacking us. 3) They are so remote that we have no real connection with them.

    The logic driving America foreign policy over the past six decades is that since SOBs cannot be eradicated, its best to co-opt all the SOBs and put them in Category 1.

    The rising tide of libertarian logic is that most SOBs are in Category 3, are no concern of ours, and can safely (for us, anyway) be left to tend to their own local car bombing, raping, crucifying, beheading, and immolating.

    Your post expresses the blowback effect of trying and failing to create Category 1 SOBs and ending up with well-armed, American-trained Category 2 SOBs. And that is indeed a big problem. You can make a credible argument that this is exactly how we ended up with the 9-11 attacks.

    The second reaction is a question: What can be done now? Our situation is what it is, and however they came into being, we now confront a great multitude of Category 2 SOBs intent on conquering America, fitting you with a burqa, mutilating your daughters, exterminating “infidels,” and so on. And as you know, these guys are in the grip of a philosophy best described (I think) by C. S. Lewis, “Man without God sooner or later gets round to doing the worst thing he can think of.”

    The Europeans and the Obama administration are enchanted with the idea that we should take a goodly number of such men into our nation’s bosom and cherish them as fellow patriots of the multi-culti sort. I myself regard that as an act of raging, convulsive, suicidal stupidity — like the damnfool parents who let the pet python cuddle with the infant in the crib.

    Thus, I side enthusiastically with your sentiment that we would have done better to have left the world to itself since, say, World War Two. But America didn’t do that. Our forefathers threw lit matches everywhere, leaving us with the vexing problem of how to proceed after 60 years of interventionist folly have set the world aflame. What would be your recommendation?

    As for me, I find I have low regard for writers who can get in touch with their moral indignation only when discussing American policy. While there is much for America to repent of, we shouldn’t march into a worse folly by pretending that all these Category 2 SOBs can be wished away. They are there; they are armed; they are militant; they believe they are destined to conquer the world, and they openly declare they are coming for you — the Great Satan. So what will we do about it?

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @SolontoCroesus
  61. @Joe Franklin

    Obama speaks and acts exactly like a secular Jew.

    Oh, I get it. Not only are all Jews to be blamed for the actions of a minority, but all actions of non-Jews with which you disagree are also to be blamed on Jews that have nothing to do with those actions. No doubt you also think all terrorists are Muslim.

    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
  62. Sam Shama says:

    I’d rather not comment any further on this topic, given my background and what I have stated earlier regarding the Holocaust and its meaning to the many (reminder) and to the fewer (an object to exploit). I think Ronald Thomas West and Fran Macadam have very well covered the FAQ on this topic, including the ones you pose here.

  63. @Anonymous

    When I went to the Holocaust museum in LA, I was struck by how even peaceful demonstrations for Palestinian rights were depicted as hate speech, but let’s keep in mind that it’s a minority of Jews who do this, though a dominant minority. There are many Jews who are tired of seeing the Holocaust trotted out to defend every heinous act of the government of Israel, but they are not wealthy and therefore have a weak voice.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  64. Why are there so many people here who can not distinguish between the minority of Jews (including Zionists) who constantly play the victim card while oppressing others, and Jews in general? Why are you incapable of naming who your real enemies are, such as “Zionists,” or better yet “Revisionist Zionists,” “Likudniks” or “Court Jew” as Josh Ruebner referred to Paul Wolfowitz in 2003?

    I answered the first one I saw, but this entire comment string is full of this crap and I can’t answer them all. Like Allison Weir, I refuse to be driven from this venue by the sheer volume and my inability to respond to all such posts. The anti-semitism is so prevalent here that I begin to wonder whether this isn’t a concerted effort to discredit the Unz Review by false flag Zionists posing as anti-semites. I’m aware of this tactic having been used previously on other websites.

  65. geokat62 says:
    @The Grate Deign

    I wouldn’t normally respond to your posts, but since you are signing off with:

    Peace, love, truth,

    I have no choice but to refute what you have written, especially this:

    The logic driving America foreign policy over the past six decades is that since SOBs cannot be eradicated, its best to co-opt all the SOBs and put them in Category 1.

    As you well know, the logic driving US FP, especially after 9/11, is the neoconservative ideology of world hegemon. But as you also equally well know, the neocons/Israel Firsters are promoting this policy because they are keen on enhancing the security of the Zionist project. No amount of obfuscation can deny this obvious fact.

    So please try and find an alternative way of signing off… because it is clear that you are not interested in peace, love, and especially the truth.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  66. @Carlton Meyer

    Thanks for the clarification. I had not considered the SOC possibility before. Like the CIA, SOC/JSOC is a lawless, totally unaccountable institution that should be eliminated.

  67. @The Grate Deign

    First, SOBs are a brute fact in this fallen world. Since America remains the dominant military and economic power on earth, we can have three possible relationships with them. 1) They are our SOBs and thus not attacking us. 2) They are enemy SOBs, thus actively or potentially attacking us. 3) They are so remote that we have no real connection with them.

    4) America is the SOB.

    2) = those who resist 4).

  68. @Moi

    Well, yeah, but what are the chances of an “intelligent and honorable man” (or woman!) being elected president? What are the chances of oinkers flying? . . .

    • Replies: @Realist
  69. mad1 says:

    “As late as 1941, the Zionist group LEHI, one of whose leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, was later to become a prime minister of Israel, approached the Nazis, using the name of its parent organization, the Irgun(NMO)..[The proposal stated:] ‘The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian Pd bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German nation of power in the Near East…The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany’s side’…The Nazis rejected this proposal for an alliance because, it is reported, they considered LEHI’s military power ‘negligible.’ “ Allan Brownfield in “The Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs”, July/August 1998.

  70. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    “(1) Where in this article (not in the comments) did you encounter an allusion or reference to the Holocaust?”


    The US war crimes that are discussed in this article happened in the ME. That means Israel. And Israel means “the holocaust.” Israel would not exist without “the holocaust.” It is intellectually dishonest to separate the holocaust from Israel and Israel from what happens in the ME – PERIOD.

    One has to b a total fool not to directly connect “the holocaust” with our governments actions in the ME. 24/7/365 there is a sob story about Jews and Nazis on US TV. How can an American not make the connection? (Of course there is never a reference to Jew banker responsibility for the Nazis. Or the 1920-1930s lessons on the value of life taught by the Jew leaders of the Russian KGB.(20,000,000 dead Europeans))

    Within the last month the leader of all the Jews in the world, went to the UN and cried HOLOCAUST! Then he stared down the world with the meanest face he could possibly generate. The Jew people of Israel love him – they voted to reelect him, after he promised them “NO peace with the Palestinians.”

    Is your quest in this post to limit discussion of the holocaust to only Jews, like the ADL does?


    p.s. Ridiculing Gentiles for regurgitating Jew propaganda is kind of nervy.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  71. @Moi

    I recall quoting a 4 million figure I had just read in about 1975 and was quickly corrected with 6 million by a Jewish lawyer friend with no particular Zionist enthusiasm that I am aware of.

    I am a bit puzzled not to have read reportung of fairly definitive census records from the 1920s and 30s and post WW2. Maybe it would be simple to search for but, if so, it seems strange that such official figures aren’t repeatedly at the forefront of arguments.

    Would non-Zionist Jews have seen positive advantage in the culling of non-Zionists as I see suggested? Or is there just some ruthless trade off being suggested?

  72. @annamaria

    Not rhetorical and I was about to emphasize “credible” and not “accidental” but I have sampled enough now to be shocked that the US could repeat the experience of arming and training future enemies in Afghanistan for such comparatively trivial purposes. Defeating the Soviet Union was of a different order but it serms that it got a lot of Americans into dumb bad habits.

    I am puzzled that the media I sample regularly has not given me any impression of this folly.

  73. @anti_republocrat

    Oh, I get it. Not only are all Jews to be blamed for the actions of a minority, but all actions of non-Jews with which you disagree are also to be blamed on Jews that have nothing to do with those actions. No doubt you also think all terrorists are Muslim.

    I just report facts.

    Your conclusions from the facts are silly.

    The Jewish diversity scheme is real.

    The diversity scheme bi-furcates an entire nation into only 2 classes, victim or oppressor.

    Diversity people seek power through totalitarian national democracy, where a super-majority of victim class voters are conditioned to trade votes for undue privilege.

    Both the US and Israel are dominated by the diversity scheme.

    The diversity scheme demonizes people that fit a Nazi-white supremacist profile formulated by the leaders of diversity….


    People that fit the Nazi profile are a tiny minority, less than 5 % in the US and 0% in Israel.

    The diversity scheme heralds and rewards people that don’t fit the Nazi profile with undue privileges.

    People that don’t fit the Nazi profile are a super-majority of voters, more than 95% in the US and 100% in Israel….

    military veteran

    The diversity scheme relies on biased immigration policies for diversity people.

    For example, the US has biased immigration for Latinos, Jewish, Afro-black, and Queer diversity people, and Israel has a Law of Return for Jewish diversity people.

    Because of the diversity scheme successes in the US, the US 2-party system has naturally aligned in accordance with the same 2 factions that dominate Israel; secular and conservative Judaism.

    As a result, the US has taken on the same ideologies of Israel, with the same common enemies, the same aggressions against the world, and the same goals and tactics.

    Obama is a democrat party ideologue, and has therefore adopted the American/Israeli 2-party system choice of secular Judaism ideology.

  74. Sam Shama says:

    I did not really wish to comment any further on this topic, one that unleashes extraordinary assertions and sentiments (and I will admit I am prone to it myself, and therefore #67). If you re-read my posts #25, 30, 39 and 67, you should notice that my intention is quite the opposite of your interpretations here. I in fact wanted PG to write something about the subject if he so wished, and he very graciously offered his view on the matter. I also explicitly noted my opposition to the tactics of ADL. Furthermore you missed my intention in the very first post where I simply attempted to confirm a thought that occurred to me upon reading ‘pseudonym’s’ comment. What you thought a ridicule of gentiles, was in fact the very opposite, a tongue-in-cheek poke meant to evince the correct answer from the addressee.

    Finally, Bibi Netanyahu is the leader of the Likud, which happens to be the party that managed through fear-mongering gain a victory in the Israeli elections and cobble together a bare majority government. While he fancies himself as such, he most certainly in NOT the leader of all Jews.

    • Replies: @Art
  75. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hi Sam — thanks for the reply – I stand corrected — Art

    p.s. I think maybe that Netanyahu thinks he is a modern day King of the Jews (smile).

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  76. @geokat62


    Very respectfully, let’s assume everything you say is true. Meddling in the Middle East was a calamity. Creating and supporting Israel is the wellspring of the calamity. With me so far?

    Now suppose you annihilated Israel right now and banished every last neocon to a colony on Mars, slew their children, and made their houses into dunghills. Suppose we somehow got all Jews out of banking, government, and media. And then we put you in charge as Commander in Chief.

    Is the Middle East problem solved with the removal of your bogeymen? No, because there are still huge numbers of very, very bad people committed to your early demise. Your evil predecessors created this problem, but as CINC, you must decide what you’re going to do with the problem created by 60 years of bad policy.

    What are your options?

    You can ignore the raping/beheading savages till they arrive… though some have already arrived, disguised as “refugees.”

    Or you can keep doing what the necons have done, and turn their homelands into zones of perpetual war.

    Or… what? What’s your solution? What if you preach eternal imprecations upon Israel and the neocons, and, like Goldstein, subject them forever to a daily session of Two Minutes Hate? Does that solve the problem of these guys crucifying Christians, burning pilots, mutilating girls, raping women? Does it thwart their plans to float a bass boat into New York harbor with an Iranian nuke aboard?

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

  77. geokat62 says:

    Dear TGD:

    If I were CINC I would do what Ron Paul would have done if elected president – i.e., leave the long-suffering people of the ME alone. As RP insightfully explained in one of the debates… they are over here because we are over there. With me so far?

    If you impose the harshest economic sanctions on a country for over a decade that results in the death of 500,000 children, should we be surprised if these people become eager for retribution?

    Regarding your final comment:

    Does it thwart their plans to float a bass boat into New York harbor with an Iranian nuke aboard?

    This scare tactic is very reminiscent of the one the Blair government used against Saddam – i.e., that he had the ability to launch a WMD attack within 45 minutes… remember that one?

    Again, may I respectfully suggest that a more appropriate way for you to sign off is:

    War, hate, lies

    The Great Deign

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  78. @The Grate Deign

    I got to “creating and supporting Israel is the wellspring of the calamity” and felt compelled to ask why you hadn’t put oil up front. And why have you not done so?

    What, e.g. did Israel have to do with the ousting of Mossadeq in 1953? And have you forgotten that the US pulled the rug out of Israel and its co-conspirators in 1956 over the Suez invasion? (I can remember the Deputy Head of MI5 who had been a POW with my father making it clear that they felt very much let down by the US – so, a fortiori according to you view, in the case of the Israelis.

    It is one thing to make a plausible case that a few very rich Jews who align themselves with Likud have a malign influence on US ME policy but your whole case is weakened by slapdash representations of history.

    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  79. Realist says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    “Well, yeah, but what are the chances of an “intelligent and honorable man” (or woman!) being elected president?”

    Very, very close to zero.

  80. Art says:
    @The Grate Deign

    “Does it thwart their plans to float a bass boat into New York harbor with an Iranian nuke aboard?”

    That is NOT going to happen – the Persians (Iran) have not attacked anyone in hundreds of years – if they did that, their three thousand year old country would be forever over – it would be nuke toast itself. They are not stupid.

    When you float crap like that, only the Big Jews win – stop the questions with a trillion to one chance of happening.All those questions do is lead the uniformed into panic.

    Sorry but when you do that, you become a large part of the problem.

    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  81. Rehmat says:

    I’m not surprised that none of the western media has put some light on the MSF aka Doctors Without Borders. The so-called “international humanitarian organization” was founded by the pro-Israel Muslim hating former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner in 1971 to serve as a French espionage network during Biafra vs Nigerian central government war, also known as Civil War.

    British journalist and author Muhammad Idrees Ahmad, has accused MSF of faking reports to benefit Israel in Muslim countries. Currently, the MSF is helping Israeli agenda in Syria (here). MSF closed down its operation in Afghanistan in 2004 after four of its staff were killed. It returned after a few years.

    It’s interesting to note that MSF operates clinics in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq – but strangely not in Israel where every third Jewish kid lives in poverty and cannot afford necessary medical-care.

  82. @Wizard of Oz

    You asked, “I got to “creating and supporting Israel is the wellspring of the calamity” and felt compelled to ask why you hadn’t put oil up front. And why have you not done so?”

    Answer: Because I was trying to use the argument put forward by Geokat62. He didn’t mention oil, so I didn’t either.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Karl
  83. @Art


    Why do you assume that, after all these years of suffering at the hands of American evil, their leaders would be so much more honorable than ours? What is the evidence that they are any better at all?

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    • Replies: @Art
  84. Sam Shama says:

    Yeah he probably does. Delusional.

  85. @The Grate Deign

    After we get rid of Israel and the NeoCons, we close our borders and the threat from the Middle East is ended forever more. What the Muslims do in the Middle East is none of our business. We invited the WTC terrorists here, both times.

    As for the past 60 years, you are correct. The US should have had nothing to do with any ME nation, other than peaceful trade. They can sell their oil or they can drink it.

    • Agree: Realist
  86. geokat62 says:
    @The Grate Deign

    Answer: Because I was trying to use the argument put forward by Geokat62. He didn’t mention oil, so I didn’t either.

    While oil was definitely a factor in the coup d’état against Mossadeq in ’53, it was not the driving factor in the invasion of Iraq, according to Mearsheimer and Walt:

    Pressure from Israel and the lobby was not the only factor behind the U.S. decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was a critical element. Some Americans believe that this was a “war for oil,” but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a member of the president’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (2001- 03), executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the “real threat” from Iraq was not a threat to the United States. The “unstated threat” was the “threat against Israel,” Zelikow told a University of Virginia audience in September 2002, noting further that “the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.”

    • Replies: @annamaria
  87. Art says:
    @The Grate Deign

    “Why do you assume that, after all these years of suffering at the hands of American evil, their (Iran) leaders would be so much more honorable than ours?”

    This has nothing to do with honer – and everything to do with survival. If Iran were to nuke the US, it would cease to existed – end of story.

    All those bastards on Fox-n-Krauthammer who make the false claim “Iran nuke, Iran nuke”, are nothing less than flag waving evil warmongers, who need to be put in some kind of cultural prison for their false claims and blood thirsty utterances.

    Of course all those Gentile fools at Fox-n-Krauthammer work for the mass murderer Big Jew Netanyahu. How many people around the world is that SOB going to get killed?

    p.s. Did you see the incredibly angry face presented at the UN by the self proclaimed representative of the Jews – if looks could kill, we all would be dead.

    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  88. annamaria says:
    @The Grate Deign

    You are very charitable towards the US plutocrats and their puppets.
    “China Joining Russia In Syria While Germany Prepares to Leave NATO In Advance of World War III:”

  89. @Art

    I’m not a big Krauthammer fan. In his case, there’s the possibility that he actually believes what he’s saying. Using my telepathic powers, I have divined that it’s something to do with those “death to America” chants we heard as accompaniment for the nuke negotiations.

    Yeah, come to think of it, that could very well be it: Nukes in the hands of Moslem fanatics who think suicide bombs are the path to paradise and who are leading death chants aimed at my country.

    Like the old saying goes, just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

    Then again, you could be right. I might just be “a large part of the problem” for noticing when they do this.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    • Replies: @annamaria
  90. annamaria says:
    @The Grate Deign

    You mean, you could reduce Iraqi and Afghani kids and elderly to peaces of chopped meat and then you would get surprised that their relatives desire to inflict a revenge for the gruesome practices inspired by Krauthammer, Kristol, Feith, Perle, Kagans and such and implemented by Cheney, Rummy, and Bush? And what was it about democratically elected leader in Iran, which the US government had replaced with a despot, thus retarding the democratic development in the Middle East?
    Perhaps, if the state of Israel was an honest player and defined its borders (for starters) and stopped fomenting the wars in the Middle East and treating the natives as sub0humans, while inviting strangers of supposedly Jewish persuasion (see the economic migrants from the former USSR) to resettle on stolen Palestinian land and to use stolen water, the nukes would not be an agenda. The artificial Samson-option-state has been a menace for the millions of native inhabitants in the Middle East.
    It does not help for arriving to a “peace, love, truth” solution that the corrupt US Congress is fervently pro-Israel, even when it is contrary to the US interests. The power of Zionists and Israel-firsters in the US is not healthy. How many wars have been waged by Iran during last two generations? How many wars have been waged by the US during the same period?
    “Peace, love, truth” means diplomacy, not a sheer force of a bully.

    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  91. TheJester says:

    THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF SURVIVAL IN LARGE ORGANIZATIONS: We used to have an aphorism in the Air Force where I spent 20 years at all levels of command. It never failed us. I suspect it applies to all large institutions.

    1. If one person is involved in a unsavory event, it is clearly his fault and it is the end of his career.

    2. If two people are involved in a unsavory event, it is clearly a temporary lapse in judgement on the part of a few good people. Perhaps there is a light problem with training or communicating policy. There may be a minor “slap on the wrist.” No one’s career is at risk.

    3. If three people are involved in an unsavory event, it is clearly a broad-based institutional problem that no one could foresee. No one is responsible. No one will be punished. There will be an investigation and perhaps a study chartered to recommend institutional changes. But nothing will come of it. The study and its conclusions will be lost somewhere in the chain-of-command.

    Why does this work? If three or more people are involved, it would negatively reflect on the judgement and abilities of those in command. Why didn’t they know something was amiss? Why didn’t they know what their people were doing? If someone is guilty, management is guilty. If someone is held accountable, then management must also be held accountable.

    The lesson we learned was to make sure that at least three people were involved in some way in everything you did.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  92. @annamaria


    Perhaps you missed the earlier portions of this conversation. Therein I said it would be better for the United States if we had never meddled in Middle Eastern affairs. However, we did, much, clumsily, and for a long time.

    Now that the results of all that meddling are out there — Al Queda, ISIS, and heaven knows what else — we’re left with the issue of what to do about it now.

    There are those in America who blame everything on those dastardly Moslems. Once the human soul is infected with Islamic fanaticism, it thereafter understands nothing but the most brutish application of deadly force.

    There are those in America who blame everything on those dastardly Jews. They do nothing but connive secretly against our interests, and we’re constantly assured that every problem on the planet is traceable to their pernicious influence.

    So now that we have this situation, what’s to be done?

    If we side with the Moslems, Jewish schemes and conspiracies will doom us. If we side with the Jews, the Moslems have sworn they’re coming for us, the great Satan. If we suddenly opt for strict isolationism, we will have both sides to contend with.

    The problem, it seems to me, is that it’s to late to wish we had 1945 to live over again, when the USA was the dominant power and no enemy would dare oppose us. Now what are we going to do?

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

  93. Karl says:
    @The Grate Deign

    >>>>Creating and supporting Israel is the wellspring of the calamity. With me so far?

    Wait, weren’t we discussing the creation (and continuing support) of the Kingdom of Jordan (out of thin air, and with a foreigner Royal Family) by the British in 1952 ?

  94. Hey, just checkin’ in after a long absence.

    I notice the word “Israel” appears 64 times here — once in Giraldi’s post (and very much just in passing) and 63 times in the comments.

    “Jew” appears 123 times, all of them in the comments.

    Good work, boys. See you again in a few months maybe.

  95. @International Jew

    Thank you, IJ, for some much-needed perspective.

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    There is a reason for this. Jews are disproportionately responsible for the suffering involved by millions in the Middle East. When you control the media, walstreet, and government and you actively push involvement in the Middle East while hectoring those who oppose then yeah people will mention the elephant in the room.

    What makes this worse of all if that while all of this is going on, Jews continue to role out the holocost into every movie they can.

    So enjoy your absence international Jew.

  97. Svigor says:

    Thee HOLOCAUST is an interesting subject, but it gets people’s panties in a serious bunch. You know when Steve Sailer treats a subject like Holy Writ, it’s pretty radioactive.

    All I know is, I came up with a (theoretical!) plan for killing populations that is far more effective than what the Nazis supposedly did, and I did it in 5 minutes on a cocktail napkin. TL;DR version: park the train cars full of “undesirables” underwater for a half hour. No muss, no fuss, no expensive camps, no annoying survivors.

    ‘Course, the HUTUS whupped the Nazis on the genocide score, too. Obviously that doesn’t mean THE HOLOCAUST isn’t all true, but it does sort of take it down several pegs, sours the loftier violin notes.

  98. Svigor says:

    SomethingToSay: great post, definite food for thought. Don’t see too many comments any more that are 1) thought-provoking 2) simple 3) original (to me), kudos.

  99. Kiza says:

    I have only two words for you: Abu Ghraib.

    Top-down criminality, outside of your scope.

  100. annamaria says:

    Ukrainian Kaganistan in progress

    “In Yaroviv near Lvov, 230 US paratroopers will lead the local training center, which will be attended, according to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs Arseny Avakov, by the Azov, Kulchysky, Jaguar, and Omega battalions. This means that the Americans, in the framework of the NATO program, will train paramilitary units which in fact have the character of terrorist formations… On the symbolic and ideological level, these units represent a clearly anti-Polish, neo-Banderite identity.
    The civil war in Ukraine, triggered by Washington and de facto led by people directly subordinated to American services, such as head of the Security Services of Ukraine, Valentin Nalivaychenko, is not only an element of the geopolitical concept of destabilizing Eurasia, preached for years by, among others, Zbigniew Brzezinski. It is equally a pretext for transforming NATO into an alliance with a clearly offensive, aggressive character, which is in fact contrary to the provisions of the North Atlantic Treaty.”

    Piskorski: “NATO is the American occupation of Poland and Europe.”

    • Replies: @annamaria
  101. Really- says:
    @Joe Franklin

    Wait, wut? “Secular Jews”… are to blame for the rain … and the lack of rain … ok …

    c.v., No True Scotsman.

    Does it trouble you at all that the ideas supporting your geopolitical house of cards are unfalsifiable?

    But what you seem to think is, If it’s Jewish it’s bad, if it’s bad it must be Jewish. Okay. The funny thing is how thinking this way makes you feel smarter than the rest.

    I wouldn’t try to reason you out of a worldview you could not have been reasoned into.

  102. annamaria says:

    “… 230 US paratroopers will lead the local training center, which will be attended by the Azov, Kulchysky, Jaguar, and Omega battalions. This means that the Americans, in the framework of the NATO program, will train paramilitary units which in fact have the character of terrorist formations…”
    The Azov battalion was involved in the massacre of dozens of Odessa civilians that were burnt alive:
    The battalion used to be financed by Mr. Kolomojsky, a very wealthy man and former leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Community. Mr. Kolomojsky enjoys Israeli-Ukrainian citizenships; he currently resides in the US.
    The neo-nazi head of the Azov battalion:

  103. Rehmat says: • Website
    @Philip Giraldi

    Mr. Giraldi – in case you didn’t hear Benjamin Netanyahu’s recent speech at the 37th World Zionist Congress – the top representative of world Jewry has absolved Adolf Hitler of the ‘six million died’ narrative. He claimed that “Hitler wanted to expel Jews from Germany but Palestinian Mufti al-Husseini conviced Hitler to exterminate the Jews.

    Our Toronto Rabbi Wolf Gunther Plaut (d. 2012) in his 1990 book, “The Man Who Would Be Messiah”, claimed that it were Frankist Jews who committed Holocaust. The book’s ‘Foreward’ was written by Elie Weisel.

  104. BHO is a war criminal!
    Finally, the neocons can support him.

  105. gussos says:

    the Zionist are following America lead by doing more to the Palestinians far worst than anyone could ever imagine *GOD BLESS AMERICA* for assisting them both military/financially.

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