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See also Do You Know All Coronavirus Victims Appear To Be Chinese? Thought Not! and STILL No Non-Chinese Deaths From Coronavirus, But The WASHINGTON POST Wants You To Rat Out Your Neighbors Anyway

The story so far: There is still no confirmed case of the Coronavirus killing anyone other than ethnic East Asians. The Drudge Report today (February 15) features FRANCE REPORTS FIRST DEATH OUTSIDE ASIA… but the underlying story, from Bloomberg via Yahoo Finance, says the victim was an “80-year-old Chinese tourist.” Drudge, of course, is just scaring up clicks. But why does the rest of the Main Stream Media, and the medical Establishment, want to suppress a possibility that could relieve fears around the world: that the Coronavirus disproportionately impacts, and perhaps only kills, East Asians?

Now read on.

Taking the exact opposite tack to me, CNN Medical Talking Head Dr Sanjay Gupta recently asserted that Corona “doesn’t discriminate based on race. Why do we?”

Gupta put this most Woke of questions to CDC director Dr Robert Redfield in response to the Trump Administration’s having decided to, in Redfield’s words “temporarily suspend travel into the United States from individuals who were not Americans or permanent residents who had been in the hot zone in the last 14 days.” [‘It’s Coming’: CDC Director Warns Coronavirus To Become Widespread Throughout United States, ‘Probably Beyond 2020’, By Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge, February 14, 2020].

Now, obviously, it’s paranoid nonsense to claim that this Trump policy is discriminating based on “race.” Chinese-Canadians will have no problem entering the U.S. so long as they haven’t been in the “hot zone” or the last two weeks. In contrast, white British people who have been in the “hot zone “in the last fortnight, will be denied access to the U.S.

And this is perfectly sensible if the virus doesn’t discriminate based on race, because if you have been at the epicenter of the Corona outbreak, no matter what your race, then you could carry this deadly disease into the US, and it has an equal chance of impacting every US citizen.

Except, of course, as I have been saying for weeks, the disease apparently does indeed discriminate by race. There are long-recognized race differences in the susceptibility to flu-like viruses, which is why the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic was far more devastating to Native Americans and Maoris than it was to whites (although Spanish flu, unlike Coronavirus so far, did kill a lot of other races). And certain kinds of flu seem to be more deadly to East Asians than they are to whites.

This is why, as I—alone, it seems – have been pointing out that the 2003 SARS outbreak, about which there was a similar panic, apparently ended up killing only, or at least primarily, East Asians.

I suspect the authorities actually do know the Coronavirus discriminates by race. If they don’t, then why did World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Ahanom Ghebreyesus declare this week that he opposed travel bans? Zero Hedge quoted him in its article above:

“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.”

“Little public health benefit”? If Corona really doesn’t discriminate based on race, then the public health benefits of banning people coming from areas where the virus is rife from entering the US would obviously be enormous. From a utilitarian perspective, they would more than outweigh the negative impact of trade disruption and a few Chinese people having to hear unpleasant remarks about bat consumption.

There’s only one way these restrictions would have “little public health benefit” and would unjustifiably interfere with “international travel and trade”—if Corona was only fatal to Northeast Asians, and merely gave the overwhelming majority of Americans who caught it an irritating case of winter flu.

If that were the case – which it appears to be – then the head of the WHO might well question the wisdom of a travel ban.

While, naturally, being unable to be honest about why.

CDC director Redfield’s fears, quoted by Zero Hedge, that the disease will become a “community virus” endemic in U.S. is quite compatible with that: it may be confined to Chinese immigrant communities.

Similarly, there were a flurry of headlines last week that an “American woman” had died of Corona in Wuhan e.g. [US citizen dies of Wuhan virus in first confirmed non-Chinese fatality, By Youyou Zhou, Quartz, February 8, 2020]. However, the Quartz story added:

Scott Gottlieb, former head of the US Food and Drug Administration, told CNBC, “We will see more cases in the US and a lot will be undetected.” He added, however, that he did not expect an epidemic-level crisis in America.

How could Gottlieb be so sure there would be no epidemic in the U.S? Perhaps partly because this virus, like all such viruses, becomes less virulent as it transmits away from the epicenter. But more importantly: perhaps because there simply aren’t that many East Asians in the US—that is people who are likely to be severely affected by Corona—and they’re not going to pass it on to other Americans.

It can be emphasized enough that 60-year-old American who died in Wuhan was not, despite the implication of the Quartz headline, descended from people arrived on our shores in the Mayflower. She did not have a collateral ancestor who was hanged at Salem. She bears no hereditary guilt for her ancestors having held slaves in South Carolina. According to CNN:

The US Embassy in Beijing confirmed a 60-year-old American national had died on Thursday at the Jinyintian Hospital in Wuhan, while the Chinese government offered condolences for the death of “a Chinese-American.”

[China has deadliest day for coronavirus as US national becomes first foreigner to die, By Lily Lee and Joshua Berlinger, CNN, February 8, 2020].

The Chinese government may be one of the most secretive in the world. But, fortunately, when it comes to “race” they are an honest to a degree that should Americans public officials and journalists blush. And China’s honesty only confirms that this is not a virus from which white people die.

Coronavirus looks like a rerun of SARS. And quite how the fact that SARS only killed East Asians has escaped people’s attention is worth considering in this new context.

Kevin MacDonald has argued that if the social pressure, and social benefits, are strong enough then we can force ourselves—through a process called “effortful control”—to believe that lies are true and to blind ourselves to facts which are not consistent with the worldview which it is beneficial accept [Effortful Control, Explicit Processing, and the Regulation of Human Evolved Predispositions, by Kevin MacDonald, Psychological Review, 2008].

It only goes show how pathological our taboo on “race” has become. Race denial is so strong that possible race differences in the incidence of a disease cannot be mentioned, or even suggested.

If we want to avoid future suffering, panic and and death—whether due to viruses or whatever else—we must be like the Chinese, able to talk frankly about race.

Those who would stop us from doing so—such as Angela Saini, and perhaps Sanjay Gupta—are literally a danger to humanity itself.

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  1. Sean says:

    All true, but I think it also implies that one’s own race is the most dangerous source of infection.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @sally
  2. What’s really alarming is the general trend: the most patent nonsense is preferred to the truth if the nonsense is somehow more palatable.

    This won’t work. It can’t. I can insist my solid concrete boat will float, build it, and launch it.

    It’ll still sink.

    • Replies: @Renoman
  3. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:

    White people aren’t supposed to even recognise the concept of race, so the fact that all coronavirus deaths have been East Asians is irrelevant as far as the left are concerned because you aren’t supposed to even recognise different races as existing to begin with.

    CNN journalists making statements like “Coronavirus doesn’t discriminate based on race” just reinforces this propaganda and expectation.

    • Replies: @ivan
  4. This is a bat virus. Obviously it can jump from bats to humans. But it cannot jump from East Asians to Europeans? Okay, so you also acknowledge it’s pretty contagious among whites. But you think it’s just like the flu.

    Now, the flu kills something like 0.1% or less of those it infects. But it only infects 5-20% of the population. Because a large portion of the population has partial immunity from having had a version of it, and some (especially the most vulnerable, including healthcare workers and some other exposed people who could spread it easily) even get vaccinated. Now no-one is even partially immune to Covid-19, and there’s no vaccine either. This means that it will infect a significantly higher percentage of the population than the flu. Something like over 50%. So even with flu-like mortality, it’s going to be way deadlier than the flu. (And even if it’d kill the exact same number… we’d still have the original flu, wouldn’t we? So it’d still kill lots of people, though maybe we wouldn’t care that much.)

    And what if mortality is higher than the flu? There’s just no way to know. Of the few whites infected so far, the majority skewed to the young and healthy (tourists, businessmen, etc.), and the vast majority of them were only infected very recently, maybe over the last week or two. The number of them is also very low yet. This virus is a slow killer, especially if you receive intensive care. After hospitals are overwhelmed, intensive care will no longer be available to most, increasing mortality.

    One clear advantage of whites is that whites have much lower rates of smoking, and air pollution in China is way worse than in any white country. (Perhaps some Russian cities have it just as bad?)

    As to why “experts” and the WHO are not recommending travel restrictions, it’s simple. They are loons or they are bought by the Chinese. Travel restrictions would be bad for China (and they obviously don’t care for people in other countries). And many think travel restrictions are “racist.”It’s that simple.

    There’s also a wider philosophical issue with your point of view. I think it’s better safe than sorry. I’d rather be unnecessarily precautious than be surprised later, if it turns out that this virus is just as (or almost as) deadly to whites as to Chinese.

  5. That’s another great article, Mr. Welton on this very good point. I’ll take your word for it that nobody else is mentioning something this obvious, because I don’t get any “mainstream” media, so I’ve not followed this story as part of the 24/7 infotainment. It’s still amazing to me that yours is the 1st mention or understanding of this same glaring piece of important evidence about this virus. Political Correctness is indeed pervasive.

    You are right too that current Chinese society is less PC than American. As corrupt, over-controlling, and downright stupid as the Chinese government can be, I’d say the people in it at least care a lot about Chinese people vs. foreigners. (That’s not the case here.) This is why the mention is made of Chinese-Americans with regard to cases of the corona virus. Though not a citizen, a Chinese American victim is still thought of as one of their own people.

    Here’s the only part I disagree with in this otherwise excellent column:

    But more importantly: perhaps because there simply aren’t that many East Asians in the US …

    There are many millions, Mr. Welton, both legal and illegal. Basically, any city or town with a university campus has a whole Chinese village embedded in it. If this virus is not a big threat to Americans, as your theory would have it, then that’s not too big a deal. Either way, if the back-and-forth travel isn’t more strictly curtailed, you’ll see lots of cases at the Universities. As always, though, the young-adult healthy non-smoker, non-pollution-inhaling college crowd will not have any serious death rate, as with the flu.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  6. Svevlad says:

    On the other hand, both Saini and Gupta are Indians. We know well they don’t get along with the Chinese so good…

    • Agree: Alfred
  7. El Dato says:
    @Sean

    Of course it is.

    If you are a pig and “swine flu” makes the rounds, you are in a bad situation.

    The horse don’t care.

    It’s a question of protocols.

  8. El Dato says:

    a few Chinese people having to hear unpleasant remarks about bat consumption

    Yeah, stop doing that Chinamen! What’s wrong with Won Ton soup.

    We don’t knowingly munch hantavirus-carrying mice either.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  9. Renoman says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sorry, lots of concrete boats out there.

    • Replies: @Sherlockohms
  10. Imagine the following:

    A group of disingenuous white liberals (let’s say: CEO of a local hospital, a mayor, chair of school board, Episcopalian priest and the president of the Rotary Club) have a routine lunch meeting on every first and third Thursday of the month at the local Chinese all you can eat buffet.

    Do you suppose business is a little off on those days?

    • Replies: @Republic
  11. @Achmed E. Newman

    Surely he means that percentage-wise there are not that many.

    I would still say there are too many in raw numbers, but in this case their proportion is the more relevant statistic.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  12. El Dato says:

    BBC peddling bullshit:

    Coronavirus: Why have two reporters in Wuhan disappeared?

    They are citizen journalists, wanting to provide the “truth” of what is happening in Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in China.

    They posted videos online, shared pictures and dramatic stories from inside the quarantined city that has been virtually cut off from the rest of the country.

    Now, they are nowhere to be found.

    One doctor, Li Wenliang, was warned not to spread “false comments” after raising the alarm about the virus earlier in December. He eventually caught the virus and died.

    His death triggered an unprecedented wave of anger, sparking an online uprising. Chinese authorities were stunned, and reacted by attempting to censor every critical comment about Dr Li’s death.

    I guess that sucks.

    Weaponized on imgur

    > China puts Wuhan on lockdown, alerts WHO, builds whole hospitals
    > Some reporter: “I’m gonna find out the horrible TRUTH”
    > Probably discovers that it’s [X-Files redacted]
    > Disappeared!

  13. @Renoman

    But not “solid” concrete ones. You’re referring to ferro-cement hulls; go mount a mast on that boulder and see how far you get. LOL!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  14. If in fact the virus generally affects and soley kills Chinese one would think the Chinese in Canada and the US would indeed demand travel restrictions and imnaginary racist would demand no resrictions.

  15. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    You can’t be this naive

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  16. @silviosilver

    I figured he meant proportionally, Silvio. You’re right that that’s what matters when talking about the spread of disease. I’d guess Chinese people are 3 to 5% of the population now, whether here illegally, staying on some kind of visa, green-card holders, or citizens.

    It’d be one thing if they were ONLY in the big cities, as that would be a relief to those away from there, but think of any town you know over 1,000 people that doesn’t have a Chinese restaurant.

    That all said, I’m not to worried about this disease personally. Besides Lance Welton’s important observation here, along with the lesser risk of this respiratory disease causing death in non-smokers and non-particulate-pollution-inhalers there is one more thing that we have GOT and China has NOT. That is SPACE. Even if your whole exurb were somehow infected, one can keep away from people pretty well and still live life. In China, that is absolutely not the case

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  17. @Daniel.I

    In which part of my comment is there a problem?

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  18. It seems to me that they would tell us if a non asian person died.

    • Replies: @Spanky
    , @Dave Bowman
  19. A relevant metric would be the # of non-Asians infected three weeks ago, and how representative that demographic was. (How many old, sick people among them. How many smokers.) Another relevant metric would be how many of them needed intensive care. (Probably not that many?)

    My guess is that the number of infected whites three weeks ago was significantly below 100, and probably each one of them were below 50 and in good health. (Those Bavarians at Webasto were probably mostly below 50, and likely in relatively good health, and the first ones just got infected exactly three weeks ago. They were among the very first whites to get infected.)

    Mortality is probably not higher than 2-3%, so if the number of infected non-Asians was below 100 three weeks ago, then I wouldn’t expect anyone to die yet. However, if there are still no non-Asian deaths 3 weeks from now, then this might mean something.

    The epidemic started in China, and was for a long time confined to China (which isn’t exactly teeming with tourists and immigrants, so not many foreigners there, especially not in Wuhan, and those “foreigners” in Wuhan were mostly ethnically Chinese, probably), and it takes several weeks to kill after infection (likely at least three weeks), so it’s not a big surprise no whites have been killed yet.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. @reiner Tor

    I don’t have any idea what Daniel’s problem with your comment was either, Mr. Tor. On your last paragraph here though, I’ll say that if not tourists, there were bound to be plenty of actual foreigners, including the Americans that were sent home. It’s not like this is 1990 (wish I had visited the place then, BTW). China is fairly wide open, as long as you don’t try to import stuff TO China – they don’t take too kindly to that.

    I got off the subject, but I also want to put out that hundreds or maybe thousands of ethnically Chinese people that have access to America (American citizens, visa holders, etc.) had probably come and gone from Wuhan while the disease had still not been detected. It’s a city of 11,000,000 or so people. That was before the flying was curtailed (and not completely either). I said it already, but I’m not too worried. As I said to the guy as I ate my slice of pizza that had just fallen tomato sauce/cheese side down on the pizzeria floor, “if it doesn’t kill me, it’ll only make me stronger”. I’m here today writing you, so …

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  21. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    The part where you don’t acknowledge the virus came out of a laboratory.

  22. @Daniel.I

    The virus did not come out of a laboratory. It was not engineered. It is not a bioweapon. It is not race-specific.

    It is a common cold. A corona virus. It has never been encountered by humans before and so therefore it is causing morbidity in 2% of the old, weak, decrepit people who contract it.

    It is dangerous, but not catastrophically so.

    Lance Welton is a sensationalist piece of dogshit. And not even fresh, well-formed dogshit. More like the old, decomposed dogshit that’s been rained on in situ for 2 or 3 months and is all crumbly and covered with white mold. The kind you can never wipe off your shoe.

    • LOL: Alfred
  23. De Doc says:

    But we have evidence of non-Chinese victims of 2019-nCoV. Hey, let’s just allow unfettered Chinese migration to the West. What could go wrong?

  24. SafeNow says:

    “Bystander” infection is a medical term for having a preexisting infection, which, when one is exposed to a new pathogen, might reduce one’s ability to combat the new pathogen. This happens to be the cold and flu season, and I wonder whether cold or flu are coronavirus bystanders that increase corona susceptibility or severity. I haven’t heard this discussed; either the issue is being covered-up, or I’m off-track here.

  25. @Daniel.I

    I wrote nothing about where it came from. Most likely it escaped from the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention, which is located just a few hundred meters from the wet market.

    How does it change my comment in any way? Laboratories cannot just create viruses out of basic elements. They can do a few things (many of which might happen naturally as well, though often with a much lower likelihood), like recombining or otherwise changing genetic material, but so far I’ve seen no evidence any of this happened. And in any case, this is a bat virus. If you read the article about the WCDCP’s likely involvement, it was a very badly run institution, apparently they showed on Chinese TV how they were collecting their samples, and there were instances when the guy doing the collection task got bitten by a bat, on another a bat peed on him, and so he had to quarantine himself for 14 days in each case. Probably something stupid like that happened.

    It’s probably possible to create viruses which are way more dangerous for one race than for another, but due to the largely statistical properties of race, it’s at least extremely difficult to create one which only kills members of one race but not the other. And in any event, why would the Chinese deliberately create a virus which only kills East Asians?

  26. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    why would the Chinese deliberately create a virus which only kills East Asians

    That’s the big question, innit ?

    Either the Chinese nuked themselves.
    Or Uncle Shmuel did it.

    Chinese incompetence vs Anglo-Zionist morality.

  27. It’s really simple. As of today there are 900 confirmed and cured cases outside of China and 3 deaths.

    1. There aren’t that many cases outside of China
    2. The virus is not that lethal.

    Whatever other biological explanations, the lack of East Asian deaths primarily comes down to those explanations. Note also the virus has not spread very far in East Asian countries outside of China, just like it hasn’t made in roads in non-East Asian countries.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  28. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Please provide evidence for your assertions. Without evidence your post is nothing but a list of your opinions. Why should we value your opinions more than those of Mr. Welton? In fact, Mr. Welton did back up his statements with some evidence, so he is not just stating his opinions.

  29. @reiner Tor

    I’d read about that lab, one of just a handful of “Level-4” ones that handle that sort of thing. Knowing that quality is not exactly “Job 1” in that country, your scenario sounds reasonably likely. I am no virologist or doctor, and I don’t even keep up with stories like these, as it’s mostly infotainment.

    However, I do know about China. Just coincidentally, Mr. Tor, I ran into a lady yesterday who had one 16-17 y/o Chinese exchange student (except he had been staying with the family for 5 years or so) from Wuhan. The lady was going to go to China to visit the family, but she put that plan and the plan for him to go home for the summer on hold. The kid’s parents would have liked to come here soon, but that is off for now too, of course.

    It’s probably overkill to even curtail the flight schedules, but a) it’s a reasonably prudent gesture and a surprising one, as the US Feral Gov’t usually doesn’t do anything for the actual American people and b) what I came to realize is, that with this scare on, and flights that were 1/4 to 1/2 full lately, it’s a great excuse for these airlines to cancel flights that will lose money yet still keep passenger goodwill (“Yeah, it’s not our decision, sorry – we’d have been glad to fly you 60 people to China on that B-777 with 14 flight attendants and 4 $250/hr pilots …” NOT)

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  30. @Achmed E. Newman

    How many whites could’ve been there altogether? I believe US evacuated less than a thousand overall, and probably a lot of them (maybe half? maybe more?) were Chinese Americans. There was maybe a similar number of Japanese, but those are East Asians. There were almost 1,000 Pakistanis, but Pakistan refused to evacuate them, on the sensible grounds that they might cause an outbreak at home, which Pakistan would be ill equipped to handle. Do we know anything about the fate of those Pakistanis? Though I believe most of them are university students. We know of the Germans, Belgians, Italians, etc., I think added together they didn’t exceed 1,000. The Australians were also often ethnically Chinese.

    Yes, there are some foreigners, but probably not that many. And only maybe 1-2% of those evacuated were infected. So the number of infected whites cannot have been more than a few dozens, tops. And they disproportionately skewed to the younger and healthier side, probably.

  31. I’ve started to spread your insights in Germany, Lance Welton. It’s a funny thing to do – because – – racism!
    But to make this explicit: Yours are very insightful articles. Even Gregory Cochran could benefit from reading them, I thought when I listened a few minutes to a podcast-interview of him about the Corona virus.

  32. Your numbers sound in the ballpark. Again, I am not worried about the whole deal a lot. My correction was simply that there are foreigners all over China nowadays, that’s all. You’re right that university students and young guys teaching English (to meet chicks, obviously) are not in big danger, but they could spread the virus just the same.

  33. @Daniel.I

    But you are already assuming that

    A) East Asians are more likely to die from this (outside the well-known factors like higher population density, more air pollution, higher rates of smoking)

    B) it’s genetically engineered to be so

    I don’t find either explanation terribly likely (of course, neither is impossible, just I’d consider both to be extraordinary claims, which would require extraordinary evidence), therefore it’s not necessary to think that it’s either the opening move of WW3, or it’s some botched Chinese bioweapon effort. It could simply be a stupid bat biting a stupid lab assistant, who then stupidly didn’t keep himself in quarantine long enough (or maybe 14 days weren’t enough, in that one case..?), that’s it.

    Please note that any epidemic causing a respiratory disease is going to affect East Asians disproportionately, simply due to the already mentioned comorbidities. (And the higher population density, another factor in favor of Europe and the US.) You cannot build elaborate theories based on the fact that East Asians seem to be worse off.

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
    , @Ron Unz
  34. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    You do know that only Chinese people died from SARS, right ?
    Don’t you find that at all suspicious ?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  35. Ron Unz says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t find either explanation terribly likely (of course, neither is impossible, just I’d consider both to be extraordinary claims, which would require extraordinary evidence), therefore it’s not necessary to think that it’s either the opening move of WW3, or it’s some botched Chinese bioweapon effort. It could simply be a stupid bat biting a stupid lab assistant, who then stupidly didn’t keep himself in quarantine long enough (or maybe 14 days weren’t enough, in that one case..?), that’s it.

    Well, you’ve always struck me as a rather gullible fellow when it comes to accepting establishmentarian narratives of WWII and other matters, so I shouldn’t be surprised at your stance here. But let’s consider a few simple factors…

    There are almost a million foreigners living in China, overwhelmingly concentrated in the larger cities, and I’d guess that a large fraction of them are non-East Asian. Nearly 1800 people have died and over 70,000 have been infected. Wouldn’t we reasonably expect at least 5-10 deaths of Westerners so far? Yet as far as I can tell, there hasn’t been a single one, nor perhaps even a serious case. For example, the previous Welton article reported that a white Englishman in Wuhan would become infected quickly recovered without any antibiotics and just a little whiskey.

    There are also some claims floating around the virus uses the ACE2 as an infection pathway, and Chinese and other East Asians are far more likely to possess those receptors.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really might want to read a very long (though crudely organized) presentation of the Biowarfare Hypothesis that we published a couple of days ago and has been getting huge traffic:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage/

    Back in 2018, an NYT journalist interviewed me for an hour or two on various matters, and seemed quite surprised when I told her the belief that “Race Does Not Exist” is roughly the same as the belief that “Gravity Does Not Exist.” But since the MSM almost entirely accepts such nonsense, it’s simply impossible for them to explore the increasingly plausible notion that China has been attacked with a racial bioweapon…

  36. @Ron Unz

    For example, the previous Welton article reported that a white Englishman in Wuhan would become infected quickly recovered without any antibiotics and just a little whiskey.

    Antibiotics are ineffective against viral infections. More brilliance from Unz’s stable of Real Science!™ writers. I don’t doubt for a moment that these guys are qualified to tell us all about the novel coronavirus of 2019.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Anonymous
    , @Alfred
  37. Ron Unz says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Antibiotics are ineffective against viral infections. More brilliance from Unz’s stable of Real Science!™ writers.

    Well, of course. But someone severely weakened by a virus may be vulnerable to deadly secondary infection, which is obviously the reason for the use of antibiotics.

  38. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You believe yourself to be more intelligent than others do. Hence your assertions carry much less weight for others than for yourself. Surely you understand this!

    Yet you continue to simply make assertions without any backup. Do you expect anyone to accept these assertions as true just because it is you who make them?

    You are an anonymous nobody here. Don’t you think you are acting strange?

  39. @Daniel.I

    Well, I don’t find it suspicious that all ebola victims have been black Africans. By the way, can you back up your claim that all Canadian victims of SARS were ethnically Chinese, or at least East Asians? I suspect most of them were, but I don’t know.

    SARS was an easy to contain epidemic (like ebola), where incubation period is short, and infection only occurs after the onset of symptoms. Therefore, once enormous resources have been spent on fighting it, it was always likely not to spread far beyond the community where it started – so Cantonese were the vast majority of victims, even outside Canton or Hong Kong. And where Cantonese didn’t have separate communities (lived together with other ethnic Chinese), other ethnic Chinese. But again, this outbreak was, despite all the hype, nipped in the bud.

    COVID-19 is pretty different. I have made several points why Chinese or East Asians should be more heavily affected by it (points you failed to address or even consider), so I see no point in repeating them. Let me just make one more point: the first Chinese victim of COVID-19 died on January 11, six weeks after the first case was identified (i.e. fell ill with pneumonia – the epidemic likely started at least several weeks earlier), therefore, there should be no reason to expect the first white death to occur any earlier than sometime early March. There are actually reasons to expect it even later for several reasons (I have mentioned a number of them, which you so far failed to address), one reason I haven’t mentioned so far is because there’s a lot of awareness of the disease, and so those infected get extra medical attention, something which was not the case in early December in China.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @22pp22
    , @Daniel.I
    , @TT
  40. @Ron Unz

    There are almost a million foreigners living in China, overwhelmingly concentrated in the larger cities, and I’d guess that a large fraction of them are non-East Asian. Nearly 1800 people have died and over 70,000 have been infected. Wouldn’t we reasonably expect at least 5-10 deaths of Westerners so far?

    Almost all the deaths have occurred in Hubei, so the number of whites in Beijing or Shanghai shouldn’t matter now, should it? We need the number of whites specifically in Hubei.

    There are also some claims floating around the virus uses the ACE2 as an infection pathway, and Chinese and other East Asians are far more likely to possess those receptors.

    Obviously I’m not an expert on this, but I’ve read a claim based on a sample size of… 8, of which 1 (one) was an East Asian man (who was also a smoker), and who had significantly higher number of ACE2 receptors. Somewhere else I read that the number of ACE2 receptors in the lungs is influenced by the environment, specifically smoking. I know nothing about the subject (though I suspect none of the people making sweeping claims here do), so I suspend judgment until better data is received.

    a white Englishman in Wuhan would become infected quickly recovered without any antibiotics and just a little whiskey

    I’m sure you’re aware that the majority of cases in China is also mild. Only a small portion is critical or life-threatening (or fatal).

    Here’s an interesting breakdown of cases on the cursed cruise ship:

    It’s not representative (passengers likely older than the general population), still the numbers are not terribly different from the Chinese data. Of course, we don’t know, what percentage of the passengers are ethnically Chinese, but it strikes me as likely that most of the US citizens, for example, aren’t.

  41. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51502711

    An African student fell ill, and spent two weeks in the hospital. He feared for his life. While his symptoms don’t sound particularly severe, he was young and healthy, so the outcome would likely be the same, were he Chinese.

  42. the increasingly plausible notion that China has been attacked with a racial bioweapon…

    There’s no evidence it’s a bioweapon. The idea also doesn’t make sense. The virus is behaving like the swine flu of 2009. More deadly than the flu but still not very lethal. So the notion is not increasingly plausible.

    A lot of people on this website seem to want this to be a bioweapon or terrifying virus from the start even before the speculation about race. This site attracts a lot of readers who might just be united in a desire for global upheaval. Reminds me of a passage from Comrades by Thomas Dixon (author of trilogy Birth of a Nation is based on).

    [MORE]

    Just behind him sat an ex-clergyman with whom a rich young woman in his congregation had fallen in love. To avoid trouble, the woman of wealth got him to leave the ministry, and bought him from his wife for a good round sum. He became an apostle of the new gospel of Socialism, and secured a position as a professor of economics. When finally he lost this position by his vagaries, his wife hired a hall and set him up in business as an inspired leader of new thought emancipated from the chains of capitalistic tyranny.

    Beside the distinguished ex-clergyman Socialistic apostle sat Professor Otto Schmitt, a famous teacher of economics at a Western university. His supreme passion was hatred of women. His one big book was written to prove that woman has no soul, that she is the mere matter on which man by his will acts, that she is not immoral, but merely non-moral, having never possessed even the rudiments of a moral nature. Schmitt had, therefore, maintained that the entrance of women into competition in the economic world presaged the downfall of man and the utter [62]extinction of humanity. For this reason he had joined the Socialists.

    Not three feet away from him sat a thoughtful, elderly, short-haired woman who had written a book on the evolution of woman to prove that woman alone is the original unit of creation, man a superfluous and temporary addition, merely the missing link between woman and the monkey, and in the process of human development the male biped would be eliminated. She demanded equal rights with man, and more besides, and she, too, had joined the Socialists.

    Yet through all these ludicrous incongruities there ran the single scarlet thread of social discontent which made them one. In every soul rang the stirring cry:

    “Down with civilization! Up with the Red Flag!”

    A more remarkable group of men and women could scarcely be gathered together on the face of the earth. But the one mark they all bore, distinctly cut deep in the lines of every face on which character had set its seal, and written large in the restless, nervous personality of the young—they all had a grievance, and though their troubles might come from as many different causes as there were men and women present, they united in one thought:

    “Modern civilization must be destroyed!”

  43. Ron Unz says:
    @reiner Tor

    I suspend judgment until better data is received.

    I’m certainly not disagreeing with you that at this stage all our analysis is largely speculative. But based on the existing numbers—and the apparent lack of a single white death or perhaps even serious illness—the presumption that Chinese or East Asians in general are far more vulnerable is growing increasingly likely. At some point, once the numbers grow large enough and the racial distribution of cases is revealed, I think the issue should be settled.

    However, I do think that such “dark suspicions” are considerably strengthened by lots of the other items presented in the long “Metallicman” article. For example, consider this rather striking coincidence:

    300 US military personnel arrived in Wuhan for the Military World Games on October 19.

    The first coronavirus case appeared two weeks later, on November 2.

    Keep in mind that the Coronavirus incubation period is 14 days. So, fourteen days later…

  44. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Certainly all deaths have been Chinese with one 80 year old Japanese woman.

    The US just evacuated 14 infected people from the Diamond Princess cruise ship back to the US. We will see what happens to this group. Many of the 100+ evacuated appear to be white, though I’m not sure of the race of the 14 infected.

  45. utu says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    “Lance Welton is a sensationalist piece of dogshit.” – I agree on this but not with rest of your comment on the nature of the virus.

  46. Biff says:

    If we want to avoid future suffering, panic and and death—whether due to viruses or whatever else—we must be like the Chinese, able to talk frankly about race.

    Well, in my opinion “we” as in the people of the west are probably best off remaining willfully ignorant – it will be easier for them once their economic condition completely implodes, and their blissful ignorance will help in blaming the Russians(or some other demonized enemy) once again. The transition will be much easier to get back on their collective knees receiving oligarch sand kicks to the face, because you know – everyone is born equal.

  47. Nuncle says:

    It seems the virus does discriminate in terms of race. This has been worrying me for some time. However, someone told me yesterday that someone in Europe who was not Asian had died from it. Does anyone know if the report was credible?

  48. Nuncle says:

    What about the possible link with 5G? Some people say it was rolled out in Wuhan shortly before the outbreak.

  49. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    I’m sure you’re aware that the majority of cases in China is also mild. Only a small portion is critical or life-threatening (or fatal).

    Let me quantify it for you (Data as of February 17) :

    Currently Infected Patients: 58,625
    in Mild Condition 46,830 (80%)
    Serious or Critical 11,795 (20%)

    Cases which had an outcome: 14,711
    Recovered / Discharged 12,837 (87%)
    Deaths 1,874 (13%)

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Take look at the plots. It seems that both plots are past their inflection points turning from convex to concave meaning that the lockdowns and quarantines are working and that treatments of seriously ill becoming more effective. Few days ago the number of deaths was 18% of all resolved cases while now it dropped to 13%.

    However the room should left for possibility that the date that are reported are not complete a d possible not honest.

  50. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    …can you back up your claim that all Canadian victims of SARS were ethnically Chinese…

    I did some search hoping to find the ethnic profile of the 44 Canadian victims of SARS. I thought it would be simple But no such luck. No victims names except for two (and yes they were Asian last names) and the rest by initials only. But I found this editorial of APRIL 14 2003:

    https://archive.macleans.ca/article/2003/4/14/the-racist-face-of-sars
    THE RACIST FACE OF SARS

    Fanning prejudice with fears about epidemics is nothing new: disease and discrimination have worked in tandem throughout human history. For centuries, occurrences of leprosy, plague and syphilis have been manipulated to legitimize expressions of hatred against a given society’s favoured victims of the moment. Following their rise to power in Germany, for example, Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party aggressively promoted what they called “racial hygiene.” A by-product of the eugenics movement, racial hygiene was a pseudo-science that identified and studied biological factors the Nazis felt were potential threats to the purity of the Aryan “race.” Under Hitler’s 1933 eugenics law, thousands of men, women and children were forcibly sterilized (or murdered) because they suffered from schizophrenia, manic-depressive psychoses, epilepsy, Huntington’s disease, blindness, deafness, severe physical deformity, even alcoholism.

    The Nazis are largely gone, but the racialprofiling impulse is not. Most recently, gays have been stigmatized due to the AIDS virus, with their access to jobs, benefits and international travel limited. Says pollster Wright: “The perception is that SARS is contained to one group of people. It should be remembered that pathogens know no race or creed.”

    Will that fact be recognized? Wright doesn’t know for certain, yet: his firm was awaiting the results of its first poll on SARS. But one thing is beyond dispute: as we make our way onto the subway or bus tomorrow morning, we should know that SARS is more than a test of our science: it is also, increasingly, a test of our values as a people.

    These are the facts: Hitler, Nazis, Hitler and Hitler and “pathogens know no race or creed.” Will that fact be recognized?

  51. As I’ve said in other places about “Kung Flu”: Wake me up when there’s a Small-pox outbreak: As contagious as the common cold with a 30% mortality rate at least… No vaccines, no effective treatment… and I suspect anyone under 50 would be at risk…

  52. Mefobills says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    This site attracts a lot of readers who might just be united in a desire for global upheaval.

    You have made a lot of sophomoric assertions with the above being just one. And then you go on to impugn with broad strokes, using “Comrades by Thomas Dixon.”

    Use your ability to reason and filter out the chaff. Occam’s razor is a good tool.

    Statistics tell us things, and Unz readers are asking good questions about things that can and will be confirmed with more data.

    Also, it is entirely relevant to ask if the virus is race specific, because we are now in an era where genetic targeting data can be inserted using Crispr techniques.

    I’m also making an assertion: We are in a new kind of era of fifth generation warfare, that is informational, propaganda, color revolution, etc… so it pays to be observant and realize that things are changing rapidly. You cannot use old modes of thinking.

  53. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    With AIDS 35 years ago the news media as now, would rather set themselves on fire than admit that this Corona virus is group-specific. You can understand why Gupta would want to keep his fancy gig by just saying what they want him to say because with a face like his, he sure wouldn’t be able to get a fancy gig like that in his own country.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  54. Anon 2 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Re: Chinese people are 3 to 5 percent of the U.S. population

    There are currently about 4 million Chinese Americans (plus the illegals),
    i.e., only a little over 1% of the population. However, the number of Asians
    (including the Chinese) in the U.S. is growing exponentially. The Chinese
    are still willing to risk their lives to enter the U.S. illegally. The number of
    East Indians in the U.S., currently about 3 million (plus the illegals), is
    also growing exponentially. Since India is increasing its population (1.35 billion)
    by 15-16 million a year and China (at 1.4 billion) by 4-5 million (due to the
    population momentum), both countries can easily afford to flood the West
    with their inhabitants indefinitely.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  55. TKK says:

    Where’s the science that would support a virus attacking specific races and presenting as innocuous to others?

    Has this been documented before? Viruses, DNA or RNA coated with protein, cause disease or pathology. The rabies virus causes fatal encephalitis. The Rota Virus causes catastrophic gastroenteritis.

    Is the author stating race has become such a ghoulish hot potato that the WHO and the like are forbidden to even entertain the possibility that race specific DNA could be antidotes or kryptonite to some viruses?

    Or is something sinister suggested regarding target infections of Chinese for political reasons? (East Asians)

    What needle are we threading???

  56. Alfred says:

    Category A races:
    Empire Indians, Iranians, Arabs, Black Africans, North Africans, Egyptians, Slavs, Germans, Scandinavians, Greeks, all Latins, French, British, Irish, Filipinos, Malays, Indonesians.

    Category B races:
    Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians

    I cannot help thinking that if this turns out to be a virus that spares category A people but kills lots of people in category B, it might cause geopolitical realignments. Unintended consequences. The Japanese might have forgiven the bombings of Tokyo and other cities but that does not mean that they will tolerate this very well. Okinawa might finally be rid of its American bases.

    But even if they do manage to gloss over this reality (the races above are just a guess), I think that the whole globalisation project will be dumped in due course. That means a substantial increase in the cost of things that are cheap at present.

    How many people are aware that a large number of basic food crops are now GM? that the USA can turn off their food supply by presidential order?

  57. @Ron Unz

    Dr. Kelly may not have committed suicide.

  58. @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron-

    I hold your opinions in the highest regard. And it all sure seems suspicious to me and my full-blooded Chinese wife, and we obviously have some serious skin in the game if things here in the US get dicey. But there have been some articles that, if true, give some hope that this may not be as severe in the long run as many fear, nor that it is an engineered entity.

    Here is one of those articles (which I have posted as #57 in Metallicman’s article, btw). Conclusive? I’ll leave that to the world’s virologists to say. But Dr Nicholls seems to me to be an expert with apparently world-class credentials and no obvious agenda when addressing an audience of wealthy investors seeking guidance and facts:

    https://www.sott.net/article/429100-Coronavirus-Expert-in-Leaked-Analysis-This-is-Just-a-Severe-Localized-Common-Cold

    And, FWIW, this voices the line of it being non-man made:
    https://sputniknews.com/science/202002161078329702-scientist-rejects-conspiracy-theories-claiming-coronavirus-engineered-in-lab/

    Of course, they all could be incompetent, or worse, willing tools of the CIA/MIC doing their collectives parts in disinformation and deflection, but I somewhat doubt it.

    So let’s hope the nutcases in DC haven’t lost it completely and launched a bioweapon attack. But with the time period that DARPA and Co have been playing with these coronaviruses, one can imagine they likely could make the genetic sequence look pretty damn evolutionarily natural and hard to spot any man-made viral shenanigans. And I really don’t like that symptom-free up to 14 day incubation period coupled with apparently 2-4 days of shocking levels of transmissibility before symptom onset. But dreaded pox viruses behave generally the same, and so there are natural precedents.

    Again, with my beloved wife being Chinese, as well as my equally beloved step-daughter, I can only hope Dr Nicholls is correct, this is simply a very nasty new cold virus that (like SARS) it is going to naturally burn out by late spring with no endemic pockets hanging around, and this will all be just a flash-in-the-pan in retrospect. Fingers, toes and eyes are all crossed for that to be the case.

    (And again, thanks for this insanely cool website!) 🙂

    MM

  59. @Ron Unz

    Isn’t there something wrong with your figures? Assume that there are 1 million “Westerners” amongst China’s 1.4 biillion and the 1800 dead is to be divided by 1.4 billion and multiplied by one million and you get less than 1.3 not 5-10. Allow also for
    1. The Westerners being comparatively young and healthy
    2. Provided with the best health care and avoidance facilities
    3. The first few weeks of cases would have been local or, perhaps, confined to close connections of what may have been a limited class of local people.

    *** *** ***

    Still there is no game that’s more stimulating fun than shuffling the “Why, Who and How” and arguing why, as for 9/11, one is more important than another.

    Here the How could be ridiculously obvious and, certainly simple (and it could even have been tried unsuccessfully several times before). Now someone has managed to slip the right amount of contagious material into produce at a market where bats are sold for eating.

    Who? Well, not so obvious. Maybe Russia or Israel setting up another country for blackmail (no doubt the US). Maybe the US but why? Proof of concept is not likely. After all why do that in China rather than say Vietnam (where btw you would get interesting contrasts in gene pools, especially if you looked at the Hmong)? So, it is meant to be disruptive and to test the CCP’s ability to cope without it being likely to spill over the world disastrously from a health point of view. And it is designed to put the government and economy of China under stress to see what weaknesses may be disclosed. Nah, not a good idea in an election year given the potential economic disruption, or do I hear somebody mutter about yet another Deep State conspiracy against the reelection of Trump (premised on impeachment being almost certain to fail) or, wait for it, a pro Trump trick to cause voters to rush for the certainties of solution Trump would offer most tweetingly?

  60. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually, the most convincing article I read on whether it was a bioweapon or not was from Whitney Webb.

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    She goes over the Pentagon and Darpas connection to Covid-19.

    To have one viral outbreak is one thing, to have Covid-19 plus African Swine Flu plus Bird flu all emerge at once is beyond suspicious.

    Convenient that it wipes out their pork and chicken supplies right in the middle of a trade war. Also convenient this will help US farmers right when Trump is running for election.

    • Agree: Ber
    • Replies: @yakushimaru
    , @yakushimaru
  61. Alfred says:
    @reiner Tor

    One clear advantage of whites is that whites have much lower rates of smoking

    The smoking link has been disproved by the data published for a Chinese hospital in Wuhan.

    In fact, some people think that smoking kills the virus. 🙂

    Can smoking prevent novel coronavirus?

    Here is something more scientific published by The Lancet

    Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China

    Out of the 41 infected patients, only 3 were a current smoker and none of them were in intensive care. On the other hand, out of 38 non-smokers, 13 were in intensive care.

    I guess that using this data someone could make a strong argument for the preventative properties of smoking.

    As to why “experts” and the WHO are not recommending travel restrictions, it’s simple. They are loons or they are bought by the Chinese

    A much better explanation is the the WHO knows full well that this infection only kills those of Chinese descent. But politically, people like you don’t like this reality.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  62. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Suppose there was a viral outbreak in Las Vegas that only killed white people, and 2 weeks before the outbreak there was a bunch of Chinese Military that participated in drills in Vegas.

    And suppose a month before the outbreak, Jack Ma sponsored a conference that prepared the rest of the world for a viral attack of that same name but didn’t invite America.

    Your telling me that you and the rest of the white people on this board wouldn’t be screaming bloody murder?

    Do you think conspiracy theories that Trump released this virus on America to save money on social security or to reduce antifa protests would make any sense? Or do you think white people would make the logical conclusion that it is a bio attack on white people?

    The Chinese aren’t stupid. They know it is a bio attack. The question is how will they retaliate. You think there aren’t viruses that only attack white people? I’m sure the Chinese know.

    This is the same thing Trump did to Iran. They crossed all lines in killing Solemani in hope that Iran would do something stupid so America could nuke them. Trump is doing the same thing to China.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @utu
    , @Spanky
    , @FvS
  63. Ghali says:

    It is a well-known fact that Sanjay Gupta is a bigoted racist Indian. Only CNN employs illiterate bigots.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  64. Alfred says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Antibiotics are ineffective against viral infections

    Neither Ron or the Englishman made any such claims. The important point is that he did not end up in hospital on oxygen.

    Please stop this diversionary drivel. 🙂

  65. Sulu says:

    Though I am educated in science I have no formal training in medicine, which I suspect would put me in good company with most on this board. It is my understanding that viruses in the wild do have different death rates for different races. But given that the U.S media continues to promulgate the ridiculous idea that race does not exist it is not surprising that they conveniently fail to mention the race of people that have succumbed to the virus. Also, since the possibility exists that this is an engineered virus you would expect the American media to remain silent on the matter of race.

    However, two days ago I was listening to A.B.C. news via A.M. radio and they mentioned that the virus might be man made and the possibility needed to be investigated. That is basically all they said. That was the first and only admission by the American mainstream media that this might be a man made virus that I have heard. This in itself seems to be an admission of sorts.

    So, the question I would ask is what evidence is there that the virus is man made and can that determination be definitely made? This blog has claimed that, I believe, at least one lab has sequenced the genome of the virus and declared that it is indeed man made. Is this a verifiable fact and does it agree with conventional medical wisdom with respect to viruses? If so the timing of the release of the virus just before Chinese New Year, while not damning by itself, is certainly suspicious.

    If this is a biological attack on China by the United States it confirms in my mind at least that certain elements in our government are as crazy as shit house rats. China may never be able to determine with 100% accuracy that they were attacked and by who. But if they have a high degree of confidence that it was an attack by the United States it seems some sort of retaliation is inevitable.

    And I really don’t think it’s going to take the form of a 20% tariff on U.S. imports. It makes me suspect the next few years may go down in history as memorable. Assuming the human race survives.

    Sulu

    • Agree: Nuncle
  66. ivan says:
    @Anonymous

    It is like the mantra they perfected during the height of the AIDS scare. It is the virus stupid. Just don’t dare even think that AIDS strikes the homosexuals at a rate 7 to 10 times normal people.

  67. Alfred says:

    Just occasionally, the Daily Mail does inadvertently provide some news – almost by accident.

    British tourist David Abel and his wife test positive for coronavirus on board cruise ship where he has been providing the world with updates throughout their quarantine

    It will be interesting to see whether he and his wife actually fall seriously ill. 🙂

    The comments below (mostly by Brits and Australians) suggest that the readership thinks that they are doomed. We will see. I wish them well and I hope he continues his interesting broadcasts. He is 74 and he probably smoked for many years – judging from his appearance.

    Here is his last broadcast from less than one day ago:

    Coronavirus: David Abel ‘frustrated’ on board Diamond Princess cruise ship as Americans evacuated

    I am pretty sure that even if he does not fall severely ill, those here who discount a racial connection will continue making unsupported assertions.

  68. ivan says:
    @Daniel.I

    I keep hearing this line of argument. It doesn’t make any sense. It is like asking asking why did the Germans create poison gas when it was eventually used against them.

    • Agree: Daniel.I
    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Nuncle
  69. LondonBob says:

    Race seems the obvious answer why Europeans suffer only mild symptoms.

    • Replies: @Anon
  70. ..Corona “doesn’t discriminate based on race. Why do we?”

    Leftist scolds are compelled to insert race into everything. It’s the sole purpose of their existence, for them to feel virtuous and for you to feel guilty.

    Damn I’m tired of these people, their ceaseless yammering, their mindless morality.

  71. 40. reiner Tor says:

    “By the way, can you back up your claim that all Canadian victims of SARS were ethnically Chinese, or at least East Asians?”

    Yes, that has already been done. SARS infected almost exclusively (99%) ethnic Chinese (almost all of the Cantonese variety), with about an equal number of deaths in HK as in the Mainland, which is why, statistically, SARS was a Hong Kong disease rather than a ‘Chinese’ one. There were some Vietnamese affected (with no deaths), but they are genetically quite similar to Chinese. That was the list.

    Someone asked about the 40 or so Canadians who were infected with SARS and the answer is the same: all ethnic Chinese, either travelling from China or being Canadian medical personnel of Chinese origin. I studied this extensively at the time, and cannot recall a single death that was not Chinese.

    This new coronavirus is the same, infecting almost exclusively (99%) ethnic Chinese. Some Japanese (this time around) have been infected, but no deaths, and Japanese are also genetically very similar to Chinese. As others have noted here, “the virus uses the ACE2 as an infection pathway, and Chinese and other East Asians are far more likely to possess those receptors.” Not only ‘far more likely’, but apparently exclusively so.

    There have been almost no Caucasians (and NO blacks) infected with this virus. One case where an Englishman was infected and passed it on to several of his colleagues at a ski resort somewhere, but the infections were mild, did not require hospitalisation, and the patients were released.

    It’s also worth noting that Wuhan, like all major Chinese cities, has many thousands of foreigners, mostly Caucasian (and mostly American) and, in that city at least, would have ample opportunity to become infected with the rest of us. But no. I have not learned of a single Caucasian anywhere in China (other than the one Englishman who claimed an infection cured with whiskey). Shanghai has more than 500,000 foreigners, mostly Caucasian, with Beijing and some other centers close behind, with nary a foreign infection.

    The Western media have circled the wagons on the race issue and maddeningly refuse to mention the race or ethnic background of the infections outside China, and it’s like pulling teeth to track down each one. I have done, and they are all Chinese, with the few Japanese. The same was true with SARS, by the way, without identification of racial identity, and in both cases, the media appear to deliberately want to leave a false impression by stating, “Egypt has its first case of the coronavirus”, leaving us to sleuth out the fact that the victim is ethnic Chinese.

    See Ron Unz’ comment 136.

    There is a large body of facts related to this, and insufficient room to relate them in a comment. I am providing here two links for information for those interested. I realise it is in poor form to post links to other article sites, and I beg forgiveness on grounds of the speciality of, and apparently great interest in, this event, and thus hope to avoid divine retribution from Ron.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-appraisal-china-coronavirus/5703761

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    , @S
  72. @reiner Tor

    One small quibble. You seem to think that the travel ban will be cost free or cost very little. It slows down the economy quite a bit. If you unnecessarily slow down the economy, there will be a hell lot of problems emerging. For example, at this point, we know the virus or disease is kind of cost-intensive, that is to say, the amount of medical resources available makes a huge difference. Without a proper economy sustaining the effort to deal with it, things can crumble down pretty quickly. On the other hand, of course, you can point to the fact that this time around, it is not happening in your part of the world.

  73. @Ron Unz

    I have to point out this to you guys. I live in a Chinese city of a population of a couple of millions. There are less than a hundred affected in the area of the city proper. No one has died. What does it mean?

    Suppose people in this city are genetically differentiable from the population in Wuhan, then I guess you guys will say that blah blah.

    But, of course, the populations in this city and in Wuhan are not genetically statistically differentiable. The only major factor is the degree of exposure. When you do not have that much exposure to the virus, and when your medical resources are not yet overwhelmed, the death rate becomes significantly lower than in Wuhan.

    So far, the Caucasian exposure to the virus is very, very low. And you do not have many old people exposed to it as in Wuhan.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  74. Trends based on realistic facts:
    a) COVID19 is much more likely to be fatal to East Asians than other ethnicities.
    b) Any race can be a vector.
    c) It originated out of sloppy procedures in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
    d) It was in the process of being researched, and therefore was either incomplete and/or to devise defensive measures.

    Protestations based on moral fantasies:
    e) COVID19 is equally infectious and fatal to all races.
    f) The CCP is being perfectly frank about related statistics.
    g) It was devised by Western military agencies as a bioweapon against Chinese (inconsistent with (e)).
    h) It mutated from a virus in bats sold in the Wuhan wet market (inconsistent with (g)).
    i) Racist, racist, racist (nyah nyah, so there!!!)

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  75. It’ll kill ya either if you’re East Asian, or if you smoke (they tend to smoke like chimneys in China, esp. men and esp. older men).

    We in the US have largely eliminated smoking with the exception of first-generation immigrants esp. East Asian ones, and our underclass. So the germ might sweep through, giving most a sniffle if that, and result in deaths in those select groups. I’d feel bad about the East Asian immigrants, but for the underclass – not a sniffle.

  76. Realist says:

    With the immense fear and hatred of China, it is not a far fetched conjecture that the virus is of US origin.

  77. 22pp22 says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t think there’s much point in writing such long thoughtful emails. The guy you are talking to is a fanatic.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Daniel.I
    , @reiner Tor
  78. Cam says:

    Why has Unz recently eliminated the option to comment on their articles when emailing them to someone?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  79. @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey man, China did manage to send out rockets into space. Quality does matter here and Chinese indeed can manage it. It is not as if everything is to be treated like low end consumer goods.

    At this point, some people looked at the quality of some consumer goods, it’s bad, therefore China cannot manage it, they are incompetent, and look, there is a bio lab, ok, case closed, they did it.

    This is the quality of their reasoning.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  80. @Anonymous

    bio weapon is just god damn dangerous because of evolution. It’d be brain dead to create a bio weapon that looks like the current virus. Even if you can manage to make it target ethnic Chinese, by the way, what about that Dem candidate? anyhow, you still have to worry about potential evolution. It is a crazy beast. Someone who are smart enough to create such a virus cannot be so brain dead at the same time. It is really hard to understand.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. Alfred says:
    @Anonymous

    I agree entirely with your reasoning.

    The big difference between the Chinese (and Russians) and the Americans is their ability to think a few steps ahead. China is not short of population. If 5% of the population were to die and their economic progress delayed by 24 months, they will not retaliate. They won’t even point fingers at the West. They know that if they retaliated or blamed the West, the media in the West would lynch them and that those in power in the West might resort to an oil embargo or similar. It could quickly get out of hand and result in a general war.

    The Chinese and the Russians are biding their time. They know that the US empire is disintegrating. That is a very dangerous process and they are trying to help the US descend without dragging the rest of the world with it. I give them full marks for their patience.

    BTW, here is a good book that explains what really happened to the Skripals. It is by an Australian journalist who is based in Moscow. He is very critical of lots of things going on in Moscow.

    Skripal In Prison (by John Helmer)

    The two Russian who were accused of poisoning the Skripals were actually sent to rescue him and to bring him back to Russia. The British continue to illegally detain the daughter of Skripal and will not allow her to communicate. A kidnapping.

    I am sure you have all noticed how Iran and Russia have fallen out of the headlines. What more proof do you need of the media having been weaponised in the West?

  82. @Monotonous Languor

    It originated out of sloppy procedures in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    For crying out loud, how is this becoming a fact now?

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  83. Ragno says:
    @Svevlad

    On the other hand, both Saini and Gupta are Indians. We know well they don’t get along with the Chinese so good…

    More to the point, high-caste Indians harbor a lot of hostility and resentment towards the white man (whom they insist doesn’t really exist – unless it’s to direct pejoratives at).

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Omegabooks
  84. @Svevlad

    The Indians are weary of Chinese due to the national borders issues and vice versa but I doubt that wouldn’t get along otherwise.

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  85. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese aren’t stupid. They know it is a bio attack. The question is how will they retaliate.

    They won’t retaliate overtly. They know that they are being provoked just like Iran. But they won’t repeat the mistake of Japanese of 1941.

    How do they know that it is the bio attack? I think that already in 2003 they suspected that SARS was a bio attack that was related to the looming 2003 Iraq war that began at the peak of SARS.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  86. Daniel.I says:
    @22pp22

    What’s it like being an idiot ?

    • Replies: @TT
  87. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    Dear autistic man,

    1. It’s a fact that , whatever this is, it’s less harmful to people who smoke.

    2. Others have already chimed in about SARS.
    You could have researched it yourself, but you didn’t – ask yourself why not.

    3. USA has means, motive – and a proven track record of using bio-chemical weapons.

    All of this is to say that you should start using your brain and putting 2 and 2 together.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @reiner Tor
  88. @Anonymous

    Also, have you guys asked yourself how many ethnic Chineses work in US military related bio labs? Do they just not care? Or, are you guys suggesting that somehow the US military has a pure White lab? In that case the US military would’ve been really, really based!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  89. Republic says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Business in New York’s Chinatown is down by 70%.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  90. @Daniel.I

    Perhaps the Chinese weren’t working on a weapon but rather a vaccine specific to the Chinese DNA?

    • Agree: Republic
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  91. Daniel.I says:
    @Really No Shit

    Whenever Chinese and Indians interact, they hate each other’s guts

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
    , @denk
  92. @Ayatollah Smith

    Some Japanese (this time around) have been infected, but no deaths,

    One death now — a Japanese woman in her 80s.

    There was a death in France, but that was a Chinese tourist. The death in the Phillipines was a Chinese tourist as well. There was an “American” tourist who died in Wuhan, but she was also an ethnic Chinese.

    It may well be true that Orientals are either more susceptible to infection with what is apparently now called SARS-CoV-2, or more likely to develop serious complications from it, but any mechanism for that difference is still speculative. This in particular is a rather strange claim:

    As others have noted here, “the virus uses the ACE2 as an infection pathway, and Chinese and other East Asians are far more likely to possess those receptors.” Not only ‘far more likely’, but apparently exclusively so.

    If you’re trying to claim that only East Asians have ACE2 receptors on their respiratory epithelium, that is clearly incorrect. As reiner Tor has already noted, the study that people are referencing on a possible differential expression of ACE2 receptors between races was a preprint based on a whopping 8 subjects, only 1 of whom was Asian. And even that didn’t claim that non-Asians have no ACE2 receptors. They also found a marked sex differential in ACE2 expression, btw.

    Here’s a larger study (also a preprint) that showed no difference in ACE2 expression by race (but considerable difference by smoking status).

    It’s one thing to say “There seems to be a significant racial difference in susceptibility to this infection.” It’s quite another to say “This difference must be due to this particular mechanism,” based on a misinterpretation of the findings of a single, very small, non-peer-reviewed study.

  93. Spanky says:
    @Thomas Milton

    Who is this beneficent and powerful “they” to whom you refer?

    And why do you expect “them” to tell you anything, especially something so precious as “the Truth”?

  94. Alfred says:
    @Ragno

    More to the point, high-caste Indians harbor a lot of hostility and resentment towards the white man

    But within their own society whiteness is a sign of beauty. Just look at any Indian movie actors.

  95. TKK says:

    Which circles us back to China, where the government knew quite well following the 2003 SARS outbreak that the native fetish for eating disease-ridden beasts (and storing them in wet markets that become walk-in petri dishes) could, conceivably, end us all. And like the barefoot Africans, the Chinese preferred to cling to their beloved customs and superstitions, regardless of the risks to themselves and the world. And now they’re paying the price…a price we may soon pay too.

    – David Cole

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  96. Spanky says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    The Diamond Princess will answer all your questions… in due time.

  97. Spanky says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese aren’t stupid. They know it is a bio attack. The question is how will they retaliate. You think there aren’t viruses that only attack white people? I’m sure the Chinese know.

    This is the same thing Trump did to Iran. They crossed all lines in killing Solemani in hope that Iran would do something stupid so America could nuke them. Trump is doing the same thing to China.

    Early in the last century we called this gunboat diplomacy

  98. @reiner Tor

    I’ve read a claim based on a sample size of… 8, of which 1 (one) was an East Asian man (who was also a smoker), and who had significantly higher number of ACE2 receptors.

    That’s this study — which also found that men have higher ACE2 expression in the pulmonary epithelium, so that’s a confounder as well.

    Somewhere else I read that the number of ACE2 receptors in the lungs is influenced by the environment, specifically smoking.

    Could have been this study (considerably larger than the first one, and a different methodology) which showed no difference in ACE2 expression by race (but considerable difference by smoking status).

    I’m sure you’re aware that the majority of cases in China is also mild. Only a small portion is critical or life-threatening (or fatal).

    One interesting aspect of that study is the variation in case-fatality rates by location and time.

    Not only a significant difference between Hubei (2.9%) and the rest of China (0.4% — which seems to be comparable to the mortality rate in cases outside of China so far), but a huge difference between the early cases (around 15%) and the later cases (0.8%).

    Hard to see that as all due to racial differences. Possible explanations:

    – Health care system in Wuhan/ Hubei was overwhelmed and couldn’t keep up — but then why would the mortality be so high in cases from early January?
    – Only very serious cases were diagnosed in the early weeks of the epidemic, with most minor cases missed.
    – The disease has become less virulent as it spreads. This is pretty common with new pathogens. Teleologically speaking, the virus isn’t trying to kill you; it’s trying to reproduce — and RNA viruses mutate pretty fast. Strains that allow those infected to stay up and walking around, spreading the virus, often have an advantage over those that cause rapid onset of serious illness. If this is true to any significant degree, it would significantly confound any effort to measure racial differentials in effect.
    – The disease takes a long time to kill you, so the recent numbers are incomplete — if you look at deaths/ deaths + recovered for China as a whole, it’s around 13%.
    – Some combination of the above.

  99. geokat62 says:

    According to this recent study (conducted by an all-Asian team of scientists), East Asians have more receptors (over 5 times more) favoring the viral process, specifically ACE2-expressing cells.

    Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov
    Yu Zhao, Zixian Zhao, Yujia Wang, Yueqing Zhou, Yu Ma, Wei Zuo

    Abstract
    A novel coronavirus (2019-nCov) was identified in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China in December of 2019. This new coronavirus has resulted in thousands of cases of lethal disease in China, with additional patients being identified in a rapidly growing number internationally. 2019-nCov was reported to share the same receptor, Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), with SARS-Cov. Here based on the public database and the state-of-the-art single-cell RNA-Seq technique, we analyzed the ACE2 RNA expression profile in the normal human lungs. The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung. This study provides a biological background for the epidemic investigation of the 2019-nCov infection disease, and could be informative for future anti-ACE2 therapeutic strategy development.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  100. @Intelligent Dasein

    A common cold? I thought it was the flu.

  101. Cancel the Olympics in Japan this summer. It’s crazy to go ahead with it as it could spread this coronavirus, or whatever else is then released, to the world. Shut it down!

  102. annamaria says:

    Before, it was the decimation of Germans, the superb ethnic group of thinkers, builders, scientists, and musicians; today it is an attack on the high-IQ massive ethnic group living in faraway Asia. The ZUSA abhors any honest competition.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @TKK
  103. @geokat62

    Well, they say that repetition is the key to learning, so:

    According to this recent [preprint] study [with an n= 1 Asian subject], [men and] East Asians [may] have more.. specifically ACE2-expressing cells.

    ftfy

    Yeah, we’ve all seen that same study mentioned 50 times by now. Clearly comes under the category of “interesting if true; not nearly enough data for any useful conclusion — see if it can be replicated.”

    Compare to, say, this much larger study of ACE2 gene expression in lung tissue (also a preprint). What did they find?

    In this study, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression. No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female). However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in smoker samples compared to non-smoker samples.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  104. @Republic

    Brilliant! There’s probably too many of them there and 70% of them could go back to China. Ask UR’s Chinaman commenter – he used to live in New York and went back, and he has no regrets whatsoever. In fact he often tells us it was the right decision. And China could reciprocate by kicking out some of those 1 million foreigners there, starting with Americans and Canadians. Don’t waste this opportunity to hit back at globalism in any way possible. A good start would be the decline of tourism and the travel industry, of course after all the immigrants and foreigners are repatriated from wherever they may be to wherever they belong.

  105. @James Forrestal

    why would the mortality be so high in cases from early January?

    Likely because of the ways statistics are collected. The local clinics were becoming crowded since sometime around the middle of January, based on public information, which means that the early cases were probably all serious cases.

  106. @Cam

    That doesn’t sound right. But I was about to ask him to restore the functioning of the “Email Comment” button which has now failed to send an email several times. (Some compensation I suppose that the 5 minute Edit function has come back spontaneously – or so it seems – for use on my Chrome browser where I had unavailngly tried to fix the problem by following Ron’s advice to delete cookies).

  107. Z-man says:

    Bat-shit crazy! Sorry I couldn’t resist. Hey Chinamen, STOP EATING BATS!!!!
    Politically correct epidemic prevention, nice.
    When Ebola raised it’s ugly head that part of Africa was almost totally cordoned off. Imagine if some of those filthy migrants arriving at Europe’s shores now, welcomed by the shit lib establishment, have Ebola. They should hang them all!
    I’ve noticed lately that there are quite a few leftie/shit-lib Indians (eg. Gupta) and Chinese here in the West. I always thought they would tend to be conservative and I worked with a couple of dot heads in ’16 who were delighted that Trump won. But yes, I’ve noticed a lot of leftie leanings in those races.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  108. annamaria says:
    @journey80

    “What is DARPA doing in Ukraine?:” https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2018/03/01/what-is-darpa-doing-in-ukraine/

    What is DARPA doing in Georgia? “The Pentagon Bio-weapons:” http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    The US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa…

    The Lugar Center is the Pentagon bio laboratory in Georgia. … Tasked with the military program are biologists from the US Army Medical Research Unit-Georgia (USAMRU-G) along with private contractors. The Bio-safety Level 3 Laboratory is accessible only to US citizens with security clearance. They are accorded diplomatic immunity under the 2002 US-Georgia Agreement on defense cooperation. …

    The Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has outsourced much of the work under the military program to private companies, which are not held accountable to Congress, and which can operate more freely and move around the rule of law.

    The private company performs work for the Pentagon’s DTRA bio laboratories in Afghanistan, Armenia, Georgia, Uganda, Tanzania, Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. Battelle conducts research, development, testing, and evaluation using both highly toxic chemicals and highly pathogenic biological agents for a wide range of US government agencies. It has been awarded some $2 billion federal contracts in total and ranks 23 on the Top 100 US government contractors list…

    MERS-CoV is one of the viruses that have been engineered by the US and studied by the Pentagon, as well as Influenza and SARS. Confirmation of this practice is Obama’s 2014 temporary ban on government funding for such “dual-use” research. The moratorium was lifted in 2017 and experiments have continued.

    The ZUSA’s rotten moral fiber is on display.

  109. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    It makes sense that Sars you are suspicious. With Covid-19 you have to be dull to not see it as an attack.

    With Covid-19 there is no question. Just look at the context.

    1) Multiple viral attacks affecting their food supply (pork and chicken). Plus Covid-19 being released at the same time.

    2) Gates viral outbreak simulation that excludes China.

    3) Racial profile of deaths.

    4) US military in Wuhan 2 weeks before first outbreak.

    5) Trade war with China, and coordinated attacks on its companies plus US media coordinated attacks against it.

    6) US history of using biological weapons.

    7) Darpas connection to Corona Virus per the Whitney Webb article.

  110. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @yakushimaru

    It’s not like they have Chinese working on a project called the Chinaman virus.

    They compartmentalize it so it looks like legit medical work.

    I’m sure a lot of Chinese are wondering if they contributed to the weapon today though and are communicating back to China what they worked on.

  111. Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon, not an epidemiologist. When a doctor is off the reservation of their own specialty, their expert knowledge is about the same as any of the rest of us who read up on the topic.

    If the new corona virus is more deadly for Chinese people than for the whole population of the world, this is good news in balance (not if you are Chinese, of course), but news media probably aren’t going to announce that otherwise people will be too complacent about the risks of this new disease, about which a lot more research needs to be done.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @John Johnson
  112. S says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I have not learned of a single Caucasian anywhere in China (other than the one Englishman who claimed an infection cured with whiskey).

    Amazing. Who knew?

    Whiskey is also attributed to saving the life of Titanic survivor Charles Joughin, who had drank copious amounts of the elixir before calmly (if not a little wobbly) stepping off the big boat, and into the ocean, as the Titanic slid under the waves in it’s final plunge.

    With the whiskey acting as a natural anti-freeze in his bloodstream, thus keeping him comfortable and warm, Joughin survived three hours free floating in the icy north Atlantic before rescue.

    And all this, according to him, without getting a single hair on his head wet.

    Clearly the effects of whiskey upon the human body are worth additional intense study of test subjects under the most careful scientific scrutiny.

    Who knows what further life saving and medicinal properties this poor man’s ‘nectar of the gods’ contains that are yet to be unlocked and discovered for the benefit of mankind?

    Volunteers!

    Science and your fellow man (and woman) needs you.

    http://www.titanicuniverse.com/titanic-survivor-charles-joughin/1349

  113. Amanda says:

    For an alternative take on things, I highly suggesting reading Jon Rappoport’s posts:

    CDC begins testing Americans for the Coronavirus—but how?
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/17/cdc-begins-testing-americans-for-the-coronavirus-but-how/

    Sudden spike in coronavirus cases only means new method of counting
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/13/sudden-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-only-means-new-method-of-counting/

    Coronavirus: run, here come the experimental drugs
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/16/coronavirus-run-here-come-the-experimental-drugs/

    New China virus, Swine Flu hoax, history matters
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/25/new-china-virus-swine-flu-hoax-history-matters/

    How are viruses discovered and identified in the first place? The earthshaking Etienne De Harven interview by Celia Farber
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/18/how-are-viruses-discovered-and-identified-in-the-first-place/

    ***

    [MORE]

    The medical establishment has lied too much for me to believe anything they say, especially when it comes to viruses. I’ve followed Jon Rappoport’s work for years and I’m convinced he’s correct, that they use these viruses to cover for the true cause of sickness (lack of nutrition, exposure to toxins, lack of clean water, etc).

    They did this for polio:

    Dr. Suzanne Humprhies has spoken out about the scientific and medical fraud involved with the so-called polio virus–she basically says that people were sick because of the wide spread use of DDT at the time (apparently, back then, people were so into DDT that it was on their wallpaper and paper lining their drawers): (on youtube, see her lecture “Suzanne Humphries, MD, speaking on Polio at the Association of Natural Health Conference”).

    More on that here: https://kellybroganmd.com/can-learn-ddt/

    Unfortunately, Jim West tells a different and far more compelling story. He suggests that Polio virus has been used as a pawn to allow the vaccine program to take credit for the damage done by the chemical industry. He states: “A clear, direct, one-to-one relationship between pesticides and polio over a period of 30 years, with pesticides preceding polio incidence in the context of the CNS-related physiology just described, leaves little room for complicated virus arguments, even as a cofactor, unless there exists a rigorous proof for virus causation.

    And the whole idea that a harmless retrovirus known as HIV causes AIDS was another scientific/medical fraud- they killed off millions of healthy people with AZT (mass murder under the guise of “medical treatment” and they made BILLIONS!!).

    Dr Robert Willner Injects “HIV” into himself on TV

    He knew HIV was a harmless retrovirus, so to prove the point, he injected himself with an HIV contaminated needle (from a HIV+ hemophiliac). “When asked why he would put his life on the line to make a point, Dr. Willner replied: ‘I do this to put a stop to the greatest murderous fraud in medical history. By injecting myself with HIV positive blood, I am proving the point as Dr. Walter Reed did to prove the truth about yellow fever. In this way it is my hope to expose the truth about HIV in the interest of all mankind.’ He tested negative multiple times. He died of a Heart attack 4 months later 15th April 1995”

    (IMO TPTB probably gave him that heart attack b/c the last thing they wanted was for him to continue living and being healthy, which would have exposed their whole “HIV causes AIDS” scam as being nothing but a murderous billion dollar fraud).

    More of Dr. Wilner’s information here:
    http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rwcall.htm
    http://www.whale.to/c/willner_deadly_deception.html (his book is available on amazon)

    More on the scientific fraud involving HIV/AIDS:
    http://www.whale.to/aids.html
    http://www.whale.to/b/hiv.html

    Nobel Prize Winner Challenges The Myths About Aids (Dr. Kary Mullis questions the idea that HIV causes AIDS because there are no scientific papers documenting this assertion on causation)

    Is the AIDS Virus a Science Fiction? Immunosuppressive Behavior, Not HIV, May Be the Cause of AIDS By Peter H. Duesberg & Bryan J. Ellison
    http://www.whale.to/a/ellison111.html

    More on the scientific/medical fraud around viruses is found in Janine Roberts’ book “Fear of the Invisible”:
    http://www.whale.to/a/roberts_b.html (book is available on amazon)

    Dr Roberto Giraldo reported of this book that ‘It is very comforting to read in Fear of the Invisible: ‘ We have all been taught to greatly fear viruses – yet scientists are now discovering that they are fundamental parts of live, made by the million by all healthy cells . I hope this book will help by combating this fear, this damning of the invisible because we do not understand it. Without this fear, hopefully the focus in medical research will shift to looking more at the environmental toxins that really do put us, and our world, gravely at risk.” Roberts looks at the frauds behind HIV/AIDS and Polio, as well as the scientific/medical fraud in virology: “ I then went to the key experiments in virology – the ones cited most widely – the ones on which our vaccines are ultimately based, and could find none in which pure samples of viruses were produced and proved to cause particular human diseases. They cannot purify viruses for use in vaccines, and it seems without such pure cultures they cannot properly research the links between viruses and diseases. Frequently the effects of toxins are misdiagnosed as the effects of viruses. ”

    The Viral (Infectious Disease and Epidemic) Fear Racket
    http://www.whale.to/a/infectious_scares.html

    In Virus Mania, Claus Köhnlein shows that these alleged contagious viruses are, in fact, particles produced by the cells themselves as a consequence of certain stress factors such as drugs, as said by Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer, M.D. (emotional trauma) and the Pleomorphists (see: Infections & poisons Infection & nutrition), the original being Bechamp from over 130 years ago. That is how long this hoax has been running

    http://www.whale.to/a/virusmania.html

    IMO, They are able to pull off these virus psyops/fake epidemics because modern medical theory is built on Louis Pasteur’s germ theory, which posits that sickness stems from germs. Antoine Bechamp had an opposing theory that sickness stemmed from “terrain” (lack of proper nutrition, access to clean water and sanitation, exposure to toxins, etc.) with the idea being that a healthy person, with a robust immune system, can fight off various germs. On his deathbed, Pasteur recanted, saying that Bechamp was right “the terrain is everything” (health status of the host), “the germ is nothing.” But modern medicine stuck with the germ theory because they can make money off of it.

    More about this here:
    https://3wheeledcheese.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/louie-pasteurs-deathbed-words-%E2%80%9Cbernard-was-right-the-pathogen-is-nothing-the-terrain-is-everything-%E2%80%9D/

    Pasteur described germs as non-changeable. We know today, from the use of Darkfield Microscopes that microorganisms are pleomorphic, that they can change and often do. A virus can become a bacterium which can mutate into a yeast or fungus. Modern medicine has yet to acknowledge this because it would turn the pharmaceutical interests on their backs like a helpless tortoise. Again, we follow the money….”

    “…It was Bechamp who discovered the pleomorphic nature of germs, and later on Bernard described the “milieu” or environment that affected/caused those changes. Bernard is the one responsible for our theories today on pH and how the nature of the microorganisms change as the body moves from an alkaline pH to an acidic pH. (This is covered in depth in our article The Lost History of Medicine.)

    On his deathbed, Pasteur recanted, saying that Bernard was right; the Terrain is everything, the Germ is nothing.

    However, since the Germ is so profitable, the medical world has written off his final statements as the madness of a dying man. We should all be so mad.

    More here:

    Another problem with the Germ Theory of medicine is discovered when we look at Koch’s Postulates:

    The germ which causes a disease must be found in every case of the disease under the conditions which could explain the disease.
    The germ must not be found in other diseases or healthy people.
    The germ could be isolated and used to induce an experimental disease in animals which resembles the original disease in humans.

    Pasteur never quite fulfilled all the rules. He was not able to find the germ in all cases of a disease, and this is where his research became fraudulent. Additionally, many so-called pathogenic germs are often found in healthy people. And finally, when Pasteur passed a germ from one animal to another to cause the disease, he did not pass the germ alone, but took some blood with it. Injecting toxic blood from one animal to another will guarantee the receiving animal becomes sick….”

    Sorry this is so long, but all of this is to say that there has been too much scientific and medical fraud for the medical establishment to have any credibility. Dr. Nancy Banks, author of AIDS, Opium, Diamonds and Empire, says there’s been so much fraud that they basically don’t know anything and need to start over.

    • Replies: @George F. Held
    , @TKK
  114. Alfred says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon, not an epidemiologist

    In India, medical diplomas are for sale at reputable colleges. I would never allow someone like that to operate on anyone I know.

    Only the really blatant frauds get caught out.

    New Degree Racket unearthed: Fake Medical College offering fake MBBS, BAMS degrees for Rs 50,000 ($700) only (Medical Dialogues India)

    I like the way they put “only” in the headline of this Indian medical website. I guess the going rate is 10 times more in the “reputable” medical schools.

  115. Just for information:

    In the past two years (during the trade war) China has suffered:

    February 15, 2018: H7N4 bird flu. Sickened at least 1,600 people in China and killed more than 600. Many chickens killed.
    * China short of poultry products.

    June, 2018: H7N9 bird flu. Many chickens killed.
    * China short of poultry products.

    August, 2018: outbreak of African swine flu. Same strain as Russia, from Georgia. Millions of pigs killed.
    * China needs to purchase more US pork products.

    May 24, 2019: massive infestation of armyworms in 14 province-level regions in China, which destroy most food crops. Quickly spread to more than 8,500 hectares of China’s grain production. They produce astonishing numbers of eggs.
    * China needs to purchase more US agricultural products – corn, soybeans.

    December, 2019: Coronavirus appearance puts China’s economy on hold.

    January, 2020: CHINA is hit by a “highly pathogenic” strain of bird flu in Hunan province. Many chickens died, many others killed.
    * China needs to purchase more US poultry products.

    The standard adage is that bad luck happens in threes, not sixes.

  116. @Z-man

    They (Indians and East Asians) gravitate towards the upper-caste of White society and this upper caste is for the most part liberal. They are conservative in their personal conduct, but liberal in their outward demeanor. This phenomonen is true with White liberals as well, Charles Murray showed this is his book

    • Replies: @Z-man
  117. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Even if one takes the hardline position that this is in fact a biological weapon that the US has released upon China, where does the assumption that the virus was bioengineered come from? Why couldn’t the US just as easily take a naturally occurring novel coronavirus and release it on the Chinese? We know there are several naturally occurring bat coronaviruses that can infect humans. I see commenters who seem to think that the US just magically made the virus from scratch in a lab, and that’s that. In other words, the US put together a virus that, coincidentally, just happens to be 96% identical to an existing bat coronavirus that was found in the wild? I’m thinking that is not the case…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  118. The coronavirus is a CIA/Mossad/MI6 creation aimed at China to weaken China economically and indirectly aimed a Iran which exports oil to China, so the zionists are getting a 2 for 1 deal with their draconian , demonic , diabolical attack on China.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @ld
  119. bjondo says:

    Gupta seems intelligent and good Dr.
    But Gupta a TV Dr. View same as The View.

    Xi Jinping, Chinese nation should
    remember this outbreak
    and opium in the past.

    The ugly war continues.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  120. @yakushimaru

    I never said the Chinese people are incompetent, Yaku. Words have certain meanings. I said they have no culture of quality being paramount, whether it’s in fast trains, bridges, rockets, or retail Cheap China-made Crap. Often, you get lucky for years, but when you let stuff slide, you get disasters too.

    I also just wrote that the Bio lab, one of only a handful of the type, and the Chinese lack of a good Q/A mindset could be a likely scenario. I DID NOT say that is proof and that any kind of case is close.

    Do you read English carefully? Try to do that next time you reply to me, OK?

  121. @annamaria

    Yeah, point that finger at Americans, if that works for you. Keep in mind you’ve got 3 more fingers pointing back at you, yeah …

    • Replies: @annamaria
  122. “Dr. Gupta, what about the racial aspect of —

    “Thank you, come again.”

    “Is this a racial–

    “THANK YOU COME AGAIN!”

  123. Amanda says:

    I forgot to add what Dr. Nancy Banks said about the true cause of those early cases of AIDS (on youtube, you can listen to her being interviewed “Sofia Smallstorm Interviews Dr. Nancy Banks”). She says the first group of gay men who came down with AIDs did so because they blew out their own immune systems, due to their extremely unhealthy lifestyle and high risk behaviors. She says this group of patients were engaging in high risk sexual behavior, including countless (hundreds) sex partners, chronic antibiotic use for repeated STDs, unhealthy eating habits, partying lifestyle, staying up late, drinking, and taking drugs, especially highly dangerous drugs called “poppers,” which were known to suppress the immune system. Dr. Banks says that this group of men became sick because they blew out their own immune systems with their unhealthy lifestyle and behavior (and not because of a mysterious virus).

    But big pharma does NOT make money off of focusing on lack of proper nutrition, access to clean water, or exposure to toxins—they make money off of the germ model, by saying that all sickness is due to a mysterious pathogen, especially a virus (so they can make money through vaccines and dangerous drugs). Most of those people who died from being HIV positive died because they were taking the extremely toxic drug known as AZT. (So all those people in Africa who died from HIV, actually died from a depopulation agenda under the cover of medical treatment via AZT for HIV).

    Also, the immune system destroying, AIDS causing party/sex drug known as “poppers” were made by the company Wellcome (that’s what it was known as back then) is the same company that made AZT, the highly toxic, failed chemotherapy drug. So, the idea of the mysterious virus covered for the damage they did to the gay community with “poppers,” and they were able to make billions with the toxic poison known as AZT, which is what really killed those people off (so basically, mass murder of millions under the guise of “medical treatment.”

  124. @Anon 2

    I did not state Chinese-Americans, Anon-2. I wrote Chinese people living in America. There are people on all kinds of visas, work visas, tourist, and other non-immigration visas, some of them “visiting scholars” in the schools of Education (yeah, like we need that so bad). Each American university has many hundreds to thousands – mostly in grad school as students and post-docs and not only in the hard sciences and engineering anymore.

    You are right that there are lots of illegals. I’d heard 2nd-hand, in person, of a scam going on to bus people all over my region of the country from the big airport, which I gather has corrupt immigration officials. They come to work as cheap labor at Chinese restaurants, which are pretty much EVERYWHERE now. If you hang with people that speak Chinese, you’ll find out who is illegal.

    That’s why I think there are near 10 million, but I’ll admit that it’s a guess. It’s kind of hard to get the numbers for illegals. My 5% is too high, I admit.

    BTW, as far as “can easily afford”, I think it’s really the other way around. These countries come out ahead on this massive immigration deal, as it relieves population pressure just a tad (especially for India), and these people have their own good reasons to come. Many of the Chinese people just love for their kids to go to good elementary schools here (believe me, they know how to pick) as they do their “visiting scholaring” so they can quickly learn spoken English, and they enjoy the year or two. Grandmoms and/or Granddads come on tourist visas to care for the kids when both Chinese parents work at the University or outside it after a while. I kind of crowds out the actual Americans in grad schools.

    Many find a way to stay. My comment that you replied to here included the bit about having SPACE. That’s one thing the Chinese people here learn to appreciate.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply and correction.

  125. @Jonathan Mason

    Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon, not an epidemiologist. When a doctor is off the reservation of their own specialty, their expert knowledge is about the same as any of the rest of us who read up on the topic.

    All doctors know about racial differences and that it is entirely possible for a virus to affect various races differently. If they have an actual doctorate in medicine then they are fully aware.

    CNN and other media establishments can find doctors that deny race but it’s all for show. You can actually be sued for malpractice for denying race. If you miss race specific symptoms because you deny racial differences at a biological level that is actually grounds for a lawsuit.

    but news media probably aren’t going to announce that otherwise people will be too complacent about the risks of this new disease, about which a lot more research needs to be done

    If it is true then precautions could be more effective by being targeted.

    Our egalitarian society is just plain dumb and puts us all at risk by suppressing critical thinkers while pretending to be interested in studying race. In the future it won’t be controversial that there are racial differences.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  126. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @yakushimaru

    Well, I’m assuming that the people behind a deliberate release of a bioweapon would already posses a vaccine at the very least. You’re right about the dangers of mutations but then we have this (from the linked article in the comment #72):

    I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that

    “Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.” (1)

  127. Z-man says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Thanks for the reading suggestion.
    I’ve observed that ‘liberals’ lead more miserable lives and that ‘conservatives’ have more ‘interesting’ private lives. It could be just a prejudice I have but I think not.
    The white race is dying out. Some whites are purposely doing it. The Jews are assisting. Just look at Madison Ave. and all it’s race mixing advertisements.

  128. Agent76 says:

    Feb 16, 2020 Coronavirus Feb 11th 2020 By Dr. John Bergman

    Feb 9, 2020 Coronavirus – THT in 10 minutes

  129. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    A naturally occurring virus would not have the same characteristics as Covid-19 and it would just fizzle out.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  130. @Ragno

    Interesting about High Caste Indians…considering (being Aryans, right?) they stem from the founders of the Aryans who consist of Europeans as well as Persians (yes, Iranians are very light skinned), and whose language Hindi, stems from the Indo-European group of languages. So I’d say they do know whites exist (while yes, harboring a lot of resentment and hostility, considering the Brits took over India hundreds of years ago for hundreds of years.)

  131. @Alfred

    Dr. Sanjay Gupta was born in Michigan & studied medicine in University of Michigan. A simple google search would have given that info. But hey, who cares about truth?

  132. annamaria says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “…point that finger at Americans, if that works for you.”

    — The ZUSA abbreviation means “Ziocon United States of America.” Can we expect honest comments from you?
    “Israel’s Many Wars:” https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-many-wars/
    “The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany: The Economic Boycott of 1933:” https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

    …the Jewish newspaper Natscha Retsch (1933): “The war against Germany will be waged by all Jewish communities, conferences, congresses… by every individual Jew. Thereby the war against Germany will ideologically enliven and promote our interests, which require that Germany be wholly destroyed. …”

    In 1933, the German economy was in a shambles. Some 3 million Germans were on public assistance with a total of 6 million unemployed. Hyper-inflation had destroyed the economic vitality of the German nation. …

    The boycott was an act of war not solely in metaphor: it was a means, well crafted, to destroy Germany as a political, social and economic entity. … The worldwide Jewish leadership … worked itself into a frenzy. An International Jewish Boycott Conference was held in Amsterdam to coordinate the ongoing boycott campaign. It was held under the auspices of the self-styled World Jewish Economic Federation, of which famous New York City attorney and longtime political power broker, Samuel Untermyer, was elected president.

    Upon returning to the United States in the wake of the conference, Untermyer delivered a speech over WABC Radio (New York), a transcript of which was printed in The New York Times on August 7, 1933. Untermyer’s inflammatory oratory called for a “sacred war” against Germany…

    And look what we’ve got instead of the great German civilization — the Jewish State ruled by the former Soviets, the Mossad-Epstein beauties, and the Lubavitch-Hasidim fanatics that offer zero gifts for humanity

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  133. I can’t get it out of my mind, that this virus is a designer virus, one designed to infect Chinese, and inflict a heavy toll on the Chinese economy, and government. The way MMSM bashes China 24/7 is more than a clue, it’s a dead give away. And we all know who controls the media. If you don’t do a search for Operation Mockingbird.

  134. awry says:

    Russia is closing its border with China right now. Maybe the Russian government is more informed than the general public:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/481133-russia-bans-china-visitors-coronavirus/

    Or are they just protecting their Asian population?

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  135. @china-russia-all-the-way

    If you’re only recognizing the medical aspects of the outbreak, i.e. infected, cleared, dead etc., then your missing the larger picture, which is: the enormous media coverage of this event, and how hard the MMSM is bashing China; declaring economic doom, predicting China’s government collapse, world pandemic, using AIDS drugs on patients, and on and on. Looking at this through the eyes of the media the illness is secondary.

  136. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Source? Wuhan Institute of Virology, has poured an enormous amount of time, money, and resources into studying bat coronaviruses. They’ve found hundreds of novel coronaviruses, including many with SARS-like characteristics (SL-CoVs), and some that can infect humans through ACE2 pathways. Again, how would the US build a virus from scratch that somehow turns out to be so closely genetically related to an existing virus that was collected by WIV in 2013, but was not published until after the Wuhan outbreak occurred?

  137. ld says:
    @Desert Fox

    At the risk of feeding the rumor mill. Today Russia has closed its border to China and banned Chinese from entering the country. If this is a bioweapon targeting Asians, perhaps it may be lethal to some ethnicities in Russia. I am wondering if it has something to do with the story from 2017 regarding NGO’s taking the DNA of Russian citizens.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41816857

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  138. @bjondo


    Gupta is one of those Indians that just look like a White guy but with dark skin (from the perspective of facial features). I am surprised he is that dark skinned as I would expect those Indians with European facial features to be lighter skinned.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  139. Anon[377] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a great deal of fear among our elites who really don’t want to tell Southeast Asians that their heavy smoking habit makes them especially prone to getting Covid-19. They’re trying hard to quell all news of it.

    In one of the studies that was released from China recently, it found that death rates from Covid-19 correlated more closely with hypertension than any other factor. This is very odd, because the Chinese still eat more fruit and vegetables and less red meat than the West does. A higher ingestion rate of fruit and vegetables lowers your blood pressure. Fruit and vegetables are good sources of potassium, and the more potassium you have in your bloodstream, the more your blood pressure goes down. There is a direct biochemical relationship between potassium and blood pressure, which is why doctors keep nagging people to eat more fruit and vegetables. It’s not just because of their vitamin and anti-oxidant content.

    So why should the Chinese be showing hypertension in this study? Because there’s one classic thing that causes it–smoking. A smoking habit raises your blood pressure and gives you chronic hypertension. But if you’ve trashed your lungs by smoking, this also makes it easier for respiratory viruses to invade your damaged lungs and kill you.

    If you’ve ever looked at a map of smoking rates by country, it’s very interesting. The New World smokes distinctly less than the Old World does, despite the fact that the New World is where tobacco originated. It’s very likely that centuries of respiratory illnesses found smokers more easy to kill, and over time, various respiratory viruses in the New World have culled people who have genes that make them prone to smoking addiction.

    Now, if you look at the Old World, their rates are very interesting, too. There’s a gradient that shows a clear rate of smoking increase the farther east you go. Western Europe has the lowest smoking rates. Eastern Europe has higher than the West, and when you move into Russia, the rates are higher still. The highest rates are in Southeast Asia, and especially the Southeast Asian Islands. 50% of all Chinese men smoke, and in Indonesia, 76% of the male population smokes. They’re going to get hammered by Covid-19.

    My own suspicion is that once Western Europe discovered tobacco and started smoking, 500 years of exposure to it caused respiratory viruses and bacteria to weed down their large quantity of prone-to-smoking genes exactly the way it did in the New World (tuberculosis being one of the main culprits here), but the process just started later in history than it did in the New World. Eastern Europe was economically slower and developed later than the West, and they developed the smoking habit later, as did Russia and Eastern Asia. Some Eastern Asian countries like China and Japan were closed to Westerners for a long time until their economies were forced to open up in the 1800s. This delayed any process of winnowing-out by respiratory illnesses via smoking habits. However, a massive winnowing is likely to happen this year.

    Unfortunately, a quarantine isn’t going to work this time except for temporarily. You can get rid of every single case in a country, but the minute a sick traveler with no symptoms re-enters that country, the infection will spread again. This will be happening at multiple entry points within every country on the planet. Almost no place is naturally isolated anymore. Our world population is too large and travels too much.

    China can shut down for a month, maybe two months. They cannot shut down for an entire year. No country can. The entire economy will collapse. If the economy collapses, nobody will be able to buy food or pay for housing, or be able to earn any sort of living. This will lead to mass starvation.

    Quarantine, extended too long, will do more damage to a country than Covid-19 can.

    We know most people are likely to survive Covid-19. 80% of all people appear to be getting mild cases. If it’s a choice between losing 20% of the world’s population, and world economic collapse, then most governments will just give up on quarantine. Heads of state worldwide, who want to re-elected, will be waffling wildly between one bad choice and the other bad choice, but there is no good choice in this matter.

    As much as people hate to hear this, the best thing to do is just let it spread, do its damage, and try to recover from it. Get it over with as quickly as possible, and then try to repair to economic damage. This looks inevitable anyway. 3rd world countries will never be able to run a quarantine properly anyway. The US, which has borders like a sieve and millions desperate to move here, will not be able to keep it out.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  140. @Alfred

    Gupta was born in the USA, so what is your point?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  141. For CNN silence is relatively honest. In most cases CNN “reports” blatant lies.

  142. stateofthenation.co:”Is the manufactured Coronavirus pandemic another Illuminati[masonic] psyop?

  143. Alfred says:
    @John Johnson

    All doctors know about racial differences

    In Australia, when filling in the form to register with a GP, one has to specify one’s race. They are particularly interested in Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders. They have different life expectancies and diseases. Things that White people almost no longer get. They are far more likely to have STI’s. Their kids are 8 times more likely to end up in care – something that almost never happens to Asian kids.

    Indigenous Australians experienced a burden of disease that was 2.3 times the rate of non-Indigenous Australians. Over one third of the overall disease burden experienced by Indigenous Australians could be prevented by removing exposure to risk factors such as tobacco and alcohol use, high body mass, physical inactivity and high blood pressure.

    Australian Burden of Disease Study: impact and causes of illness and death in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people 2011

    Referral form for follow-up allied health services under Medicare for People of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent

    People who are only 1/8 Aboriginal tick the box. I really cannot understand them.

  144. @annamaria

    Because as an American, I must be part of the ZOG. Yeah. Sure thing. That’s the same stupidity that says all the Russian people are evil bastards because their parents were Communists.

    It’s not that I don’t agree with some of your sentiment. In your blockquote, those people in question were not just Jews, but Communists. That’s the rub…

  145. ricpic says:

    Even “East Asians” casts too wide a net. Has there been a single Japanese death? Filipino death? East Indian death? Coronavirus is Chinese specific.

  146. Pft says:

    I expect all races can be infected by COVID2. Asians, especially male have more ACE2 receptors in lungs allowing more lung cells to be infected. After infection, ACE2 is downregulated. Paradoxically, although ACE2 results in initial infection ACE2 reduces severity of infection. Downregulation of ACE2 results in increased levels of ANG2 which produced cytokines that over ramps the immune response in some patients resulting in severe respiratory distress followed by organ failure and death.

    As bad as all that sounds it still seems that most deaths (80% according to an earlier report) are among over 60 and/or those with other diseases like diabetes, kidney and lung disease, and more prevalent in males

    There are other cofactors specific to China, extreme population density (facilitating spread), excessive air pollution (causing lung disease), a heavy smoking male population (also causing lung disease) and previous sensitization to a pathogenic coronavirus (SARS) which according to some studies might cause more severe symptoms upon reinfection. In fact that latter point if true might prohibit the use of a vaccine in future as tests in animal models show animals reinfected after vaccination (vaccines not all that effective and immunity wanes in those who do respond) have far more severe symptoms due to immune enhancement (overwhelming immune response harming healthy cells due to inflammation, etc).

    That said, for all this, even in China this is still just a bad flu for most. Flu in hubei has probably killed 6 times mote people in hubei than COVID if CDC US flu figures are used and adjusted for population.

    So why the hype? Marketing for Mandatory vaccines. ID2020 (delivered by vaccines), condition people to give government more control (quarantines, travel restriction, etc) and in Chinas case maybe an excuse to round up some dissidents and quarantine them (and those pesky hk protests are gone).
    Also, Chinas large population is aging and people arent having babies due to economic reasons. New disease causing more older people to die earlier (how many have been denied health care for other issues due to the chaos). Quarantine keeps young couples together all day so look for a baby boom in October.

  147. @James Forrestal

    One more for the “possible explanations” list: the early-Jan mortality rate reflected the most-compromised (eldest, mostly).

    There will also be large numbers of people who get infected, get mild or no symptoms, and never present to medical services… in the pre-hysteria period, their cases resolve and they never get counted.

    Once shit gets hysterical, people who aren’t infected turn up if they get a sniffle, and poor clinical test characteristics add the to the false-positive pile (snd reduce calculated mortality rates).

  148. @ld

    It very well could be, there is always a motive for what the zionists do.

  149. mike99588 says:

    China has a number of accentuating circumstances that form part of a perfect storm that are not all genetic. Some could aid generation and accumulation of successful mutations.

    Smoking and air pollution. Smoking seriously depletes vitamin C a crucial antiviral element in deficiency.
    Gross vitamin D deficiency particularly in winter and in polluted areas.
    Known mineral deficiencies, like selenium
    Carb (rice!)-glucose impaired diet
    Other particular culinary habits.
    Poor sanitation infrastructure and code enforcement.
    Poor sanitation practices.
    Extra commercial livestock and wildlife interactions with SARS carrying species.
    High population density.
    Lack of separated, single family residences
    More public transport
    More work stress

    Too many proximate, leaky BSL3/4 labs
    Further, either Chinese specific vaccine research strain or even many borrowed/purloined research variants have awkward possibilities with sticky, disgruntled and/or incompetent fingers. Also China might improve its offensive biowarfare position several ways with this outbreak, or some might have thought so.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  150. mike99588 says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Once you get a few Brits in the woodpile across generations, anything can happen. Similarly in the US, you see blue eyed blacks…

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  151. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel.I

    Interesting, but what the hell is a bio chemical weapon? Some kind of virus that makes people acutely sensitive to a particular toxin?

  152. criolle says:

    “the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic was far more devastating to Native Americans and Maoris than it was to whites”
    SOME Native Americans, particularly those of Caribbean origin run a lower body temp.
    I spent nearly two decades in the Navy and had ongoing debates with Medical personnel over the bed-rest policies.
    MY usual body temp is 97.2-97.4 F. I seldom run a temperature, even with the flu. I have been told this is due to (partial) Taino ancestry. On-board several ships in the Navy, “bed-rest” was prescribed for many shipmates who had fevers of 101.5 F. That’s about a three degree fever by Carl Wunderlich’s standards. For ME, that’s a four degree fever.
    Most medical professionals will tell you there is a GREAT difference between three and four degree fevers, particularly in adults. I, and Caribbean shipmates worked through three and a half degree fevers many times in my career while our shipmates “slept it off”.
    TLDR: The temperature standard is “One Size Fits ALL” for diagnosis. It should not be.
    Fever is the body’s natural reaction to many illnesses. Native Americans and Maoris had never been exposed to flu, measles and a few other “childhood” diseases. When their bodies experienced fever, they died. I survived, but I suffered. I’m still mad about it. Today’s G.I.’s shouldn’t have this experience.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  153. FvS says:
    @Anonymous

    Do you honestly think Trump is capable of ordering a bio attack against Chinese civilians? And why would he risk causing an economic downturn in the U.S. during an election year? The U.S. and Chinese economies are too intertwined.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  154. Turk 152 says:

    There are plenty of scientists who understand bioweapons There are also many, many viral research scientist all across the world who would also have a pretty good idea if this has the characteristics of a weapon.

    If this were a bioweapon, then opposing sides (US vs China) have both the resources and the motivation to expose their competition.

    This is front page news 24/7. The killer is in a petri dish.
    If it is a weapon, it would be exposed.

  155. Ron Unz says:
    @FvS

    Do you honestly think Trump is capable of ordering a bio attack against Chinese civilians? And why would he risk causing an economic downturn in the U.S. during an election year? The U.S. and Chinese economies are too intertwined.

    Sure, I agree with you 100%. But aren’t you incorrectly assuming that Donald Trump is in control of the U.S. government?

    After all, many of his top aides and supporters have been prosecuted on fairly ridiculous charges and may spend the rest of their lives in prison. Plus many of his most important allies on the Internet have been purged or deplatformed.

    I think there’s a 0% chance that Trump himself ordered or approved a deadly biowarfare attack. But it seems perfectly plausible that it was carried out by some elements of the American national security apparatus.

    • Agree: Desert Fox, FvS, Alfred
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @22pp22
  156. @ivan

    I keep hearing this line of argument. It doesn’t make any sense. It is like asking asking why did the Germans create poison gas when it was eventually used against them.

    Poison gas kills everyone. The Germans did not create a poison gas that killed Germans only. What you said just does not make much sense.

    Anyway, it’s way too early to tell. Let’s wait and see.

  157. I have been following the coronavirus on the John Hopkins dashboard for some weeks, frequently calculating the death rate as the infection expanded. Originally, it hovered around 2.0 to 2.2%. Overall, the death rate from this coronavirus appears to be declining outside of the area where it was introduced. The overall death rate is now approaching 2.7%, but outside of Wuhan, in other places in China there are hundreds of cases reported with few deaths, certainly less than 2.7%. This means the death rate must be much higher in Wuhan. In Singapore, for instance, inhabited by Southwest Asian people, coronavirus infection has been spreading, almost 90 cases now, but no deaths. By now there should have been 2 or even 3. You can do the calculations for other locations in China. Picking one at random, Jiangxi is reporting 934 cases but only 1 death. Given the average mortality, Jiangxi should have experienced 25 deaths due to coronavirus. Why hasn’t it? Clearly the disease is becoming less virulent away from its center.

    There is something going on here that is more than just only Asians die of coronavirus, because in adjacent regions of China, very few Asians are dying. There is a lot we don’t know about this disease. And while there may be no non-Asian deaths, there are non-Asians positive for the virus; the Brit carrier who stopped off to ski in the French Alps, the many sickened, 542 as of now to be exact, some of whom were most certainly not Asian. This the most infections outside of China, on the doomed Diamond Princess quarantined off Japan.

    With me and my piddly calculator, I would say that the infection will be largely contained in China, just like SARS, and will soon dissipate. A pandemic à la the Spanish Flu may be coming our way in the future, but it is not this coronavirus.

    You can follow the spread of coronavirus too, here:

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    • Replies: @Alfred
  158. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    What’s so hard to believe? Other presidents have ordered bio attacks in the past such as during the Korean war. Why is it so unbelieveable to think they cannot do so today. Trump after all was willing to bomb Iran’s cultural sites.

    There is little risk to the US economy. The main goal was to knee cap China which is happening. Meanwhile the stockmarket is hitting new highs.

    There was a simultaneous viral attack on Chinese pork and chicken stock. So China is having to make up the difference with American supplies. American farmers win! During an election year that is what matters. Not what happens to Apples supply chain.

    Also Wilber Ross already has talked about how this crisis is good for America since the supply chain will come back home.

    Trump had to eat crow many times after coming up empty handed negotiating with Xi.

    Signing a trade deal with China, and then escalating by releasing the virus sounds like a Trump move to maximize pressure. Add in assassinating Solemani, and applying maximum pressure it sounds like vintage Trump.

    • Agree: John Arthur
    • Replies: @Ber
  159. @reiner Tor

    Even if this virus does only affect East Asians East Asians coming to the US would likely be heading to East Asian population centers in the US and those American East Asians would probably like to not be exposed.

  160. 94. James Forrestal says:

    Statement from my post:

    “As others have noted here, “the virus uses the ACE2 as an infection pathway, and Chinese and other East Asians are far more likely to possess those receptors.” Not only ‘far more likely’, but apparently exclusively so.”

    Your comment:

    “If you’re trying to claim that only East Asians have ACE2 receptors on their respiratory epithelium, that is clearly incorrect.”

    You are of course completely correct. I was careless and made a stupid mistake in my wording, for which I apologise. Chinese do NOT have these receptors to the exclusion of other peoples, merely that some Chinese have a much higher percentage of them. I do not know today the extent of this testing. You are correct in stating the original test sample was very small. I believe larger examinations have been done, but I haven’t the details at the moment.

    You are also correct in challenging the assumption (if assumption it be) that this condition is responsible, wholly or partially, for an enhanced sensitivity to a virus.

    Again, my apologies for a mis-statement of fact.

  161. TKK says:
    @annamaria

    A mysterious group of Jews (ZUSA) or Zionists created and seeded the virus because they are jealous of the Chinese?

    The Chinese revere Jewish culture and business acumen.

    Indicting Jews for any and all negative occurrence, event or catastrophes has a chilling effect on their actual misdeeds in the West, specifically American liberal Jews- who live far removed from the policies they inflict on the white working class.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  162. TKK says:
    @Amanda

    Excellent info. After ramming Zantac down huge swaths of the population’s throats for decades, surprise! It’s a carcinogen to the esophagus.

    Pet vaccines as well- all part of big Pharma.

    The rabies vaccine is actually effective for 10 years, and some homeopathic vets believe for the life of the mammal.

    The boosters they give new puppies make them violently ill, and vets glibly respond to give them Benadryl. One of my dogs became so ill after his “shots”, he shook violently and I rushed him to Vet ER. They were blasé. I wanted to choke the vet out that gave my boy those shots.

    Further, * every * vet hawks Hill Science Diet. It’s absolute garbage, and the kidney support canned food is $2.75 a can. No dog, even strays, will eat it. Its 80% moisture mixed with offal. It smells of death.

    AIDS- I have seen some gay men waste away horrifically. What would the terrain be- the body rejecting repeated sodomy? Not being snarky there. That area of the body is an exit zone.

  163. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob

    That chart is very interesting. Utah residents are new the bottom of the list, at 53%. Yet the British in England and Scotland are at 61%. This is despite the fact that Utah residents have almost nothing except British ancestry.

    You know what Utah residents tend to be? Mormons. You know what is against the Mormon religion? They are not allowed to smoke.

    Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (also known as ACE-2 enzyme) is something the body produces in response to damage. It heals damage. But it can’t work without a receptor in the damaged area to absorb it. It appears ACE 2 receptors are not a fixed quantity, but actually increase in response to damage done to the body. You smoke, you damage your lungs, and your receptors increase as your body tries heal the damage done to your lungs.

    Nor do you have ACE 2 receptors only in your lungs. They’re all over the body. You have them in your pancreas and kidneys, for example. This is why there’s some correlation between ACE 2 receptors and diabetes. You damage your pancreas, and the amount of ACE 2 receptors increases in your pancreas, and then you get Covid-19 and die.

  164. @Daniel.I

    1) I’m not sure what that tweet is supposed to prove. The data there shows that among those who are infected, the ones with respiratory conditions are over three times more likely to die. The higher death rate in Hubei is to be expected. Outside Hubei, mild symptoms are tested (lowering mortality), while the overwhelmed Hubei hospitals cannot provide proper care (especially intensive care) to patients. You do realize that even in Hubei, the first death occurred in mid-January? It’d be nice if you tried to address this point. It’s not the first time I make it, and I cannot claim it’s very original.

    2) I have tried to search for it, but like the other commenters, found nothing. As I wrote, I’d expect at least most of the Canadian victims to be Cantonese, or at least Chinese, maybe each one of them, but how do you know all of them? The nature of the outbreak was such that those with symptoms were motivated to immediately call the ambulance and not infect anyone, except maybe family members or other close contacts – likely also Cantonese or other Chinese.

    3) During wartime, and chemical weapons only.

    I’m not an expert of microbiology, but I have a feeling you guys vastly overestimate the possibility of developing a virus which only kills members of one race but not the other. I know it’s difficult to predict the effects of changing certain parts of the genome, and, like with drugs, you’d need to test it. Like infecting white subjects and then see if they die. Of course you’d need to test it on Asians – seeing their genome is not enough, we cannot just predict how their immune systems will react. I’d also like one of you guys pointing to a better study than the one with n=8 (of which Asians were n=1) about the higher ACE2 receptor levels in Asians. There’s this other study with the larger sample, which found no racial difference in ACE2 receptor levels.

    You could also maybe address the point that the Americans managed to create a virus which the Chinese managed to match 96% to a bat virus, which was not published before (so either the Americans had a spy, or they didn’t know it even existed). I understand humans match chimps 98%, so such similarity is not totally meaningful, but if it’s genetically engineered, it’s engineered from a bat virus.

    • Replies: @Bert
  165. @Old and Grumpy

    A vaccine against what?

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  166. Alfred says:
    @Anon

    In one of the studies that was released from China recently, it found that death rates from Covid-19 correlated more closely with hypertension than any other factor

    How about some links? And fewer assertions?

    I recently put up data from a Wuhan hospital seeming show that smoking offers protection.

    The smoking thing is a red herring to distract from the discriminatory genetic basis of this disease.

  167. @Alfred

    Your first link is a very badly made argument against your point (hard to come to any conclusion), while the second one is a relatively small sample. The very large dataset recently released shows significantly higher mortality for those with chronic respiratory conditions, which are often caused by smoking.

  168. Alfred says:
    @Weston Waroda

    In Singapore, for instance, inhabited by Southwest Asian people, coronavirus infection has been spreading, almost 90 cases now, but no deaths.

    They were mostly recently infected. Give it time. Also, the hospital system in Singapore is not yet overwhelmed. When nurses and doctors start falling ill, things fall apart more quickly.

    I suspect that the non-Chinese (24%) of Singapore will suffer fewer serious cases.

    While I trust the numbers out of Singapore, I strongly suspect that the situation in China is much worse than they claim.

    The factor that seems to have not been understood by many people is that possible economic collapse and chaos would result in far more deaths than the virus itself. Well, that is my opinion. If other countries were to refuse travel or trade with Singapore, they would be in big trouble in no time at all. Despite having massive financial reserves and access to the sea.

    • Replies: @TT
    , @Weston Waroda
  169. Nuncle says:
    @ivan

    The intention may have been to release it in Hong Kong to end the protests there. HK could quite easily be locked down until the outbreak was contained. Protestor problem solved without alarming the international community or provoking the US.

    Do I believe that this was the intention? No. But I believe it could have been.

  170. @Ron Unz

    the apparent lack of a single white death or perhaps even serious illness

    Zhejiang province has over a thousand cases (the first ones detected on January 21), yet no deaths. Why do you think whites should be more likely to die than Zhejiangers? Even in Wuhan and Hubei, the epidemic presumably started in October or November, but the first death only occurred on January 11, 2-3 months later. Do you expect whites to be more susceptible to it than Chinese?

  171. Daniel.I says:
    @reiner Tor

    A theory I’ve seen is that it was some sort of vaccine against SARS that accidentally got released.

    • Agree: Republic
  172. @James Forrestal

    – Health care system in Wuhan/ Hubei was overwhelmed and couldn’t keep up — but then why would the mortality be so high in cases from early January?

    They didn’t die until mid-January, the first death occurring on January 11, the second on January 15, the third on January 18, the fourth, fifth and sixth on January 20 – and by that point the hospitals were likely overwhelmed already.

    – Only very serious cases were diagnosed in the early weeks of the epidemic, with most minor cases missed.

    That’s almost a certainty – it didn’t come to attention as the 201st virus causing the common cold, rather like a novel virus causing pneumonia – so they had a few pneumonia patients clustering together, they found the same virus in them, and started tracking their fates. They were the more serious cases, as later turned out, with maybe 4 mild cases for each of them.

    – The disease has become less virulent as it spreads. This is pretty common with new pathogens. Teleologically speaking, the virus isn’t trying to kill you; it’s trying to reproduce — and RNA viruses mutate pretty fast. Strains that allow those infected to stay up and walking around, spreading the virus, often have an advantage over those that cause rapid onset of serious illness. If this is true to any significant degree, it would significantly confound any effort to measure racial differentials in effect.

    That’s possible, though it must be noted that the virus is not really interested in keeping you healthy or even alive either. The long incubation period means that the more harmful versions of the virus can also readily spread, so I don’t see much selection pressure to stop killing 1-2% of the cases after 1 week (sometimes 2 weeks, possibly more) incubation period and 2-3 weeks of slowly progressing illness.

    – The disease takes a long time to kill you, so the recent numbers are incomplete — if you look at deaths/ deaths + recovered for China as a whole, it’s around 13%.

    Probably the 13% is an exaggeration, because they need 10 days without serious symptoms to declare you recovered.

    – Some combination of the above.

    Certainly.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  173. @mike99588

    I knew a guy who was one quarter Indian but you couldn’t tell as he had blond hair and blue eyes.

    Indian genres seem to be much weaker than Black genes, being even 1/16th Black will often make you look non-white, Indian phenotypes can disappear in 2 to 3 generations. I suppose it is because North Indians like Gupta are basically ‘brown Europeans’

    PS, I don’t think he actually has any British ancestors, if I remember correctly those born out of a union between an Englishman and an Indian woman are referred to as Anglo-Indians and they have formed their own caste which they do not marry out of, the surname ‘Gupta’ is certainly not in that Anglo-Indian caste.

  174. TT says:
    @reiner Tor

    2003 SARS:
    from a Chinese website you can use Google translation.
    https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/iu47r8jl4yOoHWbKCd_Ihw

    Infected 8437 Chinese 7960, 96% Death 813 Chinese 762, 96%

    2010 COVID19:
    As of now. Assuming all overseas infections & death is non Chinese

    Infected 75746 Chinese 74281, 98%, Death 2012 Chinese 2009, 99.9%

    So far we know is very few non Chinese infected (Jp 616 cases are mainly due to enclose Princess cruise), and one very old Japanese death. The rest all Chinese.

    Are these pure coincidence? It look like COVID is a more refined SARS variant with highly improved precision.

    Could it be 1380M Indians living in open sewage slums more crowded than China (India has only 1/3 China land), 200M Pakistani, 100M Philippines, 180M Bangladeshi, 1B Africans, 100M Mexican, Latins, ME Refugees camps, ..they are all more hygiene than dirty Chinese ethic in Spore, Twn, HK, Macau, US, Canada, Asia….

    They lived in less polluted cities with good nutrition & healthcare?

    India claimed World Top1~21 most polluted cities. 100% India Cities are polluted. So are the rest.

    In today’s well linked world, with 200M Chinese traveling, if SARS & COVID aren’t race targeted, all these above nations would already face big scale outbreak by now.

    But West msm has been trying to sell us the story that all Chinese are unhygienic & eat wildlife. They all smoke & live in polluted cities.

    Have anyone ever visited China, Spore, Twn, HK to check if we are really polluted & dirty?

    Has anyone wonder why no Indian , Malay & non Chinese ever get infected or died in Spore & Asean during SARS & current outbreak. There are now 1.5M India dirty workers & 1M other race foreigners swarming the 3.5M population Spore, yet they are perfectly immune. Its 100% Chinese ethic that get infected & killed.

    Also less than 1% PRC Chinese actually eat (mainly farmed) wildlife in China vs Thailand’s exotic taste culture. But racist SARS & COVID just hate Thai & other races.

    Indonesian, Malaysian, Myanmar, Cambodian, Laos, Philippines, Africans, Latin…many eat wildlife like snakes, bats, dogs,… yet non has a single outbreak.

    Virus is Xenophobia!

  175. TT says:
    @Daniel.I

    He is a Nz racist guy who dislike China-Chinese. His education of Oriental History in Jap might have brainwashed him.

  176. TT says:
    @Alfred

    There is no need for you to suspect, during SARS, all infected and death are oddly Chinese ethic. I was there. It was 5yrs ago when Denk brought up did i realized it was a race targeted Virus.

    Now its the same, more than 3M non Chinese roaming freely still none get infected. Its all Chinese victims. Taiwan will be hit hard, its number is suspicious low. Many Taiwanese work in China, and the infected Cruise actually disembarked in Twn.

    And there are over 1M India nationals of all kinds including rapists, drunkards, criminals, rioters, arsonists, …ravaging the Spore tiny nation. But they will be fine just as their 1380M kins in India.

    After China culled, Indians or Africans will be next.

    • Replies: @clip
    , @Alfred
  177. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @TT

    Just a theory… Maybe Chinese populations are so genetically homogenous that the virus can jump from one person to another without much of a learning curve along the way. Is this plausible?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  178. @Anon

    Thank you for the info. on smoking prevalence, #377. Alfred’s reply notwithstanding, I LUV my geography, and I was wondering if you can link to your favorite map on this. (Yes, I know, Millennials, I can “search it up”, but I’d rather get it from this guy, since he obviously has looked at this closely.)

    My personal experience is that in the early 1990s even Western Europeans, pretty much the only Europeans you’d meet here, smoked like chimneys too. Yes, the Chinese smoke a lot. I brought a couple of cartons of Marlboro that I got a good deal on that the duty-free store to China, to get an opinion on it vs. Chinese brands and brought 2 packs back to have a smoker friend try them for a comparison. Alas, my friend here quit smoking! (And damn good on ’em, as it’d been most of his life till then.)

    Cardiologists will tell you, that even over obesity and other-caused hypertension, quitting smoking is the best thing you can do for your heart.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  179. salvationandsurvival.com : “The vaccine debate and the Hegelian dialectic “:
    “Is it possible that mandatory vaccinations are the goal?…in order to sell the American people [and others] on yet another loss of freedom to live their lives as they choose , a ‘false measles epidemic’ is incited to cause widespread panic …it is difficult to think that anyone could engineer such a devious plan [how about 9/11/?] for the World’s population. But the ‘haves’ will use any means necessary to retain control over the ‘have nots’”.
    Is the Coronavirus epidemic today’s “false measles epidemic”?

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  180. @TT

    Have anyone ever visited China, Spore, Twn, HK to check if we are really polluted & dirty?

    Yes, I have visited the mainland of China almost a dozen times, TT, and HK too. No, I didn’t go there to check on the pollution, but yes, it is really polluted and dirty.* However, the changes over the last 10 years have been amazing. When the Chinese people decide to clean up, they go at it big-time, just as with everything else.

    It was 10 years ago, but we stayed in an area for a few weeks that was said to be a “resort area”. After being there, my question was “why?!” There were still not many trees, nobody swam in the river, cause it was nasty and most of them can’t swim (not many people fishing either), and there was just nothing to make it any nicer than some grimy inner city here – other than newer infrastructure and a nice lack of ghetto types.

    .

    * not necessarily wrt air pollution, as I’m not really sensitive to it, so it’s not something I’m including in this. Also, I’m not including HK in this description. It’s even more crowded, if one didn’t think that was possible, but I think it’s kept up nicer. Thank you, Great Britain, for teaching about not spitting everywhere and throwing trash wherever the hell you are when you don’t need it anymore!

  181. Alfred says:
    @Anonymous

    Maybe Chinese populations are so genetically homogenous that the virus can jump from one person to another without much of a learning curve along the way

    Maybe the virus recognizes people who can read Chinese – hence no children have died.

    Just a theory. 🙂

  182. Alfred says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    @Anon

    Thank you for the info. on smoking prevalence, #377. Alfred’s reply notwithstanding

    Where I am now, in eastern Europe, a packet of 20 local cigarettes costs US $0.60. Many people smoke like crazy – 40% of men and 8% of women. I would be most surprised if this virus catches on here. Much the same applies to the whole of the Middle East and Iran.

    I guess we will find out in due course.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  183. @Alfred

    I’m not doubting your argument on either smoking prevalence or its effect on susceptibility to this new virus, Alfred. I was just saying, “let’s leave that aside for now” is all. I like maps!

    • Agree: Alfred
  184. My proposal for next week’s column:

    STILL No Non-Asian Deaths from Corona—But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @reiner Tor
  185. @TT

    The rate of disease on India is far higher than China, but this disease is of the ‘vanilla’ variety i.e. things like cholera, malaria.

    The exotic diseases seem to occur when people eat weird things. Ebola started because Africans were eating monkeys.

    Also, two people have died from coronavirus in Iran, I don’t know if they are ethnically Chinese though.

  186. @reiner Tor

    An alternative solution would be to claim that those might be Chinese-Iranians. Iran doesn’t mention their race, after all.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  187. @22pp22

    Though I disagree with him over this point, Daniel.I is actually a quality commenter. His only fault is that he’s Romanian.

    • LOL: Daniel.I
  188. @El Dato

    That would be rat urine 😛

    Besides …

    https://recombinomics.co/topic/4822-2020-guangdong-pangolin-90-identity-with-human-covid-sequences/

    If it IS a zoonosis (probably yes) it is hard to see how the virulence could be race-selective.

  189. Ron Unz says:
    @reiner Tor

    An alternative solution would be to claim that those might be Chinese-Iranians. Iran doesn’t mention their race, after all.

    Sure, it will be interesting to know. After all, unless those two individuals had some clear connection to China, it’s difficult to see how they might have become infected in Qom, Iran.

    Anyway, I think the information from that infected cruise ship may help to settle the issue. My impression is that a substantial fraction of the passengers, probably at least many hundreds, are white, so all things being equal, we’d certainly quite a number of very serious cases and perhaps some deaths in this group.

  190. @Ron Unz

    There is an interesting report on thetruthseeker.co.uk about the author Dean Koontz who wrote a book ” The Eyes of Darkness ” back in 1981 , which predicted the coronavirus ie the Wuhan 400 virus, he had to have had insider information, to be able to write the book, it looks like a case of predictive programming.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  191. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    How wonderful would it be if there were a virus that targets American blacks? God knows the fucking violent crime rate would go down drastically.

  192. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    Here is a look at Jack London who wrote about wiping out the Chinese with Biological warfare in 1910.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Invasion

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  193. @Ron Unz

    China is one of the few countries still buying Iranian oil. Qom is the seat of the grand ayatollahs, so some Chinese delegations might have visited it. From the Bavarian case it’s obvious that just one person getting infected is enough to infect dozens within a couple weeks. Since they never detected it (the Germans only detected, because the Chinese woman got ill in China, was tested and then notified her employer – what if it was an asymptomatic carrier or with mild symptoms and wasn’t tested in China?), probably they now have a locally sustained epidemic on their hands. Unless there’s some weird explanation, but I cannot think of any for the moment.

  194. @Alfred

    No, actually the virus appears to be losing steam. You can find many, many regions in China with cases in the hundreds and no or very few deaths in contrast to Hubei Province, the center of the action. This is the situation in Singapore with as of this writing 81 cases, 29 recoveries and 0 deaths. Early detection with better early treatment is probably making the difference, something that wasn’t done in the early stages because the Chinese government was more interested in persecuting medical personnel who were sounding the alarm than in early treatment.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Alfred
  195. A preliminary review based on papers about ACE2 analysis indicates that smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCoV while there are no significant difference between Asians and Caucasians. People Just cannot wait to spread conspiracy theories. Can we all just wait and see?

    Abstract

    In current severe global emergency situation of 2019-nCov outbreak, it is imperative to identify vulnerable and susceptible groups for effective protection and care. Recently, studies found that 2019-nCov and SARS-nCov share the same receptor, ACE2. In this study, we analyzed four large-scale datasets of normal lung tissue to investigate the disparities related to race, age, gender and smoking status in ACE2 gene expression. No significant disparities in ACE2 gene expression were found between racial groups (Asian vs Caucasian), age groups (>60 vs <60) or gender groups (male vs female). However, we observed significantly higher ACE2 gene expression in smoker samples compared to non-smoker samples. This indicates the smokers may be more susceptible to 2019-nCov and thus smoking history should be considered in identifying susceptible population and standardizing treatment regimen.

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0051/v1

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  196. @Daniel.I

    That would make it easy to destroy both of them.

    • Replies: @Daniel.I
  197. Greg West says:

    It is all in the genes.
    We are what we eat and what our ancestors ate.
    Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

  198. @reiner Tor

    That’s possible, though it must be noted that the virus is not really interested in keeping you healthy or even alive either.

    Sure — it’s indifferent. It’s a matter of what works best for transmission. Generally speaking, zoonotic viral diseases that maintain persistent high mortality rates in humans are poor at human-to-human transmission, and rely on recurrent introduction from animal reservoirs: rabies, MERS (the MERS coronavirus is endemic in camels), Ebola, etc.

    The long incubation period…
    1 week (sometimes 2 weeks, possibly more) incubation period

    Wut? This is a very strange claim. Don’t know where you’re getting this “data” from — estimates of median incubation period have mostly been around 5 days. The highest I’ve seen is 6.2 days in a relatively small study, while one of the largest studies with data on incubation period showed a median of 3 days. I’d hardly call that “long.” As far as the “sometimes two weeks” issue — upper left graph below is the distribution of incubation periods from the study that got a median of 5.2d:

    Generally speaking, a tunnel vision focus on extreme outliers is not a productive approach to statistical analysis. The bottom right graph also suggests yet another possible cause of the apparent disparity in case-fatality rates — significantly more of the initial cases were hospitalized quite late in the course of their illness.

    Probably the 13% is an exaggeration, because they need 10 days without serious symptoms to declare you recovered.

    Of course — I just threw that in there as a more-or-less absolute upper bound to the possible range.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  199. d dan says:
    @Weston Waroda

    “Early detection with better early treatment is probably making the difference, something that wasn’t done in the early stages because the Chinese government was more interested in persecuting medical personnel who were sounding the alarm than in early treatment.”

    Good comment until this sudden leap of logic that “because the Chinese government was more interested in persecuting…”

    If you are interested to get wiser on this point by getting more facts about Dr Li Wenliang instead of regurgitating NY Times and main stream media lie, I suggest reading the article [1] here in UNZ. You also can view the video [2] that analyze the issue.

    Just to recap for you and convenience of the readers: Dr Li was wrong professionally to issue the warning. He did NOT have the expertise to do that. Secondly, if he wanted to help, he should alert the proper authority rather than posting privately to his chat group. What he did was both illegal and didn’t help in the containment. Further, his warning would NOT have helped others because another doctor and the authority were already ahead of him in studying the disease and were in the process to issue public warning. Also, as explained in [2], his message might actually cause panic and more harm if allowed to spread. It is a classic case of shouting “fire” in a crowded cinema when the authority was already planning an evacuation. Finally, Dr Li was not punished or persecuted. He was issued a warning and released on the same day. The government retracted the reprimand later (although I think the government was correct with the original reprimand).

    [1] https://www.unz.com/article/how-to-yellow-cake-a-tragedy/
    [2]

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Troll: Hong Kong Hibernian
    • Replies: @NPleeze
  200. Daniel.I says:
    @Really No Shit

    I’d ask what the fuck is wrong with you.
    But I presume you’re an Anglo, so that should answer it.

    • Replies: @22pp22
  201. clip says:
    @TT

    Is there a way to reach you? I am working on something that pro Chinese members will find useful.

  202. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    There is some Asian ancestry in the Iranian population – around 5-6% overall.

    This means a minority of Iranians will have the typically Asian levels of ACE2 receptor cells.

    And there are significant Turkic speaking minorities in Iran such as the Turkmen who have around 25% Asian ancestry and would be more likely to have the Asian levels of ACE2.

    It would be interesting to get more information on the Iranian victims.

  203. @Ron Unz

    An alternative solution would be to claim that those might be Chinese-Iranians. Iran doesn’t mention their race, after all.

    Sure, it will be interesting to know. After all, unless those two individuals had some clear connection to China, it’s difficult to see how they might have become infected in Qom, Iran.

    Looks like at least one of them is highly unlikely to be ethnic Chinese, at least according to what PressTV sez:

    Alireza Wahhabzadeh said one of the two had been suffering from chemical weapons injuries suffered during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. He described the other victim as a 65-old man, without elaborating.

    Doesn’t sound as if they have any idea how these two were exposed — just got worried because of a suspicious cluster of influenza-like illness in the city:

    “How they contracted coronavirus is not clear and the issue is being probed,” said the official in an interview with the IRNA news agency.

    A spokesman of the Iranian health ministry also said that tests on the two men had been carried out by special teams dispatched from the capital Tehran to Qom after reports emerged of a growing number of influenza cases in the city.

    Kianoush Jahanpour said that some other people suspected of having the disease had been identified to have the Type B influenza.

    They evacuated some Iranian students from Wuhan about a month prior, but they were quarantined for 14 days with no signs of illness, and no obvious links to these 2 cases.

    Anyway, I think the information from that infected cruise ship may help to settle the issue.

    Sure. The data from that so far (plus the German, French, and British cases) would seem to indicate that indigenous Europeans are significantly susceptible to infection with the virus — the question is more whether they’re less likely to develop severe disease or die from it. So far they have 628 cases, 28 serious, and 1 officially-certified as “recovered.”

    It’s going to be significantly skewed toward picking up asymptomatic/ minimally-symptomatic cases relative to population-based data, but still worthwhile — and they can always compare to antibody studies when those become available. The problem is that no one’s going to tabulate the cases by race — but most deaths should be classifiable.

    A non-race-related point about the pandemic — the countries outside of China that seem to be picking up the most cases are Japan and Singapore, with recent cases not directly linked to any known Chinese source. Indonesia has a large ethnic Chinese minority, and has a lot of air traffic to and from China. The same is true of Cambodia. So far, Indonesia has reported zero COVID-19 cases, and Cambodia only 1. It’s possible that these two countries are either very lucky, or far more diligent in isolating/ quarantining potential cases than those lackadaisical, incompetent types in Japan and Singapore — but it’s also possible that Japan and Singapore are doing a much better job of identifying cases. Which is more likely?

  204. @James Forrestal

    zoonotic viral diseases that maintain persistent high mortality rates in humans are poor at human-to-human transmission, and rely on recurrent introduction from animal reservoirs: rabies, MERS (the MERS coronavirus is endemic in camels), Ebola, etc.

    I fail to see how it’s connected to mortality. Most zoonotic viral diseases are probably pretty shitty at human-to-human transmission, full stop. Probably regardless of mortality. (Except if no-one ever even dies of it, we probably won’t even notice such an infection or outbreak.)

    But this virus has some luck with humans. It’s apparently spreading at least as easily as the flu. The only negative effect that it suffers from the high mortality rate is that humans will try to shut down their societies in response (see China, and now Iran in Qom), and we might develop medications or vaccines against it, which might curtail its spread, however, it won’t help the less virulent strains at all, because our primitive tests cannot really tell if it’s a more or less virulent strain, and we won’t let either strain out of our quarantines anyway, so what’s the point for the individual virus strain to be less virulent? From the virus’ short term point of view, it doesn’t matter if you get cured or killed. It’s just the same: the virus will no longer be able to replicate in your body, either way. Again, long term, it probably won’t be stable, but short term, if there was another strain of it which was less virulent, how would we be able to tell the difference? Would we let it out of our quarantines? What would be the advantage for the less virulent strain?

    incubation period

    Regarding incubation period, my bad, incubation period is shorter than I asserted, but I believe it’s something like 1-4 days for influenza, so it’s still significantly longer, while it’s actually not any less infectious than it.

    significantly more of the initial cases were hospitalized quite late in the course of their illness.

    However, if we try to hospitalize all cases early on, we’ll overwhelm our hospitals earlier. It’s a good decision as long as we are able to contain the epidemic. Like only a few cases a day. Once it gets out of hand, we’ll have to say goodbye to those low mortality rates.

  205. Anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    This is getting hairy. Here’s video that claims people are pouring out of China and over the border into Vietnam:

    A billion+ people cannot all leave China.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @d dan
    , @utu
    , @NPleeze
    , @Ber
  206. @Anon

    Why didn’t Vietnam close its border? If just one of these is infected, they will have an uncontrollable epidemic on their hands…

  207. activistpost.com: “Zika virus psyop back in the news – CDC now claims scarier than we initially thought…as we have learned from the past , verifiable facts and reason have never been shown to stop state propaganda .”
    dcdirtylaundry.com: ” CDC and FDA tag-teaming Ebola bio-weapons psy-op to push dangerous vaccines as part of an Ebola outbreak mass theater operation ”
    They scared us about the Zika virus and Ebola and they are now scaring us over the Coronavirus . Get the flu vaccine now and get the Coronavirus vaccine in the coming months , hasn’t the vaccine already been patented ?

  208. d dan says:
    @Anon

    “A billion+ people cannot all leave China.”

    Likely another bunk video. As of Feb 19, Guangxi has 245 infected out of population of 48 millions. How many of the 245 stay in the border towns adjacent to Vietnam? What types of panic do people feel with this rate? It is lower than most of the provinces in China, as well as foreign countries like Japan and Singapore.

    The video is attributed to journalist “Mirkamil Kasgarli” in the twitter. Search for the name gives the following link. Note the East Turkestan (i.e. Xinjiang) independence movement flag behind the guy. Follow the twitter and you also see commenter like Marco Rubio and bunch of usual anti-China politicians. Dud.

    https://independent.academia.edu/Mirkamilka%C5%9Fgarl%C4%B1

    • Replies: @Republic
  209. Anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    The Johns Hopkins Websites, which used to update Covid-19 counts daily, is now doing it hourly. The spread of the virus has begun to accelerate.

    Singapore, Japan, and South Korea now have over 80 cases each. Since each infected person infects an average of 5.5 people, that means each of those countries has over 440 infected people inside them who likely have not yet been tracked down. The next generation of virus reproduction in those countries, in maybe 24-48 hours, will mean 2420 people in each country will be infected. There’s no way they can track all those people down and quarantine them. The virus is out of control in those countries.

    China quarantined everything in sight, and this may have slowed down their rate of transmission. But Singapore, Japan, and South Korea are not run by the same sort of ruthless people, and they will NOT get as tough or be as fast at quarantine. That means the virus will spread faster in those countries than China. There’s a simulation of flu spread, the Shattuck flu map, that projects how fast a pandemic can spread. China’s crackdown has slowed it down Covid-19 transmission, but once it’s out of China’s control, it’ll speed up again.

    The Shattuck simulation projects 28K deaths in 1 month, and around 1 million at the end of 2 months, and 10 million at the end of 3 months. But the problem with the simulation is that they may have used a slower rate of spread. The 1918 Spanish flu spread across the US in 5 weeks. People dying appear to be passing away after they’ve had Covid-19 at least 1 week, when they catch a secondary pneumonia infection that finishes them off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=9afTl9z5JHQ&feature=emb_logo

    • Replies: @utu
    , @9/11 Inside job
  210. utu says:
    @Anon

    Yesterday (Feb 19) was the first day that number of new cases was smaller than number of recovered cases. See ‘Daily Increase’ plot at:

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    The ratio of total recovered case (16,465:) to total fatalities (2,128) is close to 8 to 1:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    And this ratio is on the increasing trend. Few days ago it was 6:1.

    Providing that the data are legit it seems that Chinese measures of quarantine, lockdowns and treatment work.

    As far as the cases outside of China, I think, it is too early to model and predict. There are about 1000 cases outside of China.

  211. utu says:
    @Anon

    This is fake. Probably posted by some Falun Gong or Indian nationalist.

    • Agree: Ber
  212. @Ayatollah Smith

    Thanks for the polite response. There’s no need to apologize, of course.

    Didn’t mean to come off as that “Eckshually…” guy. It wasn’t so much directed at you in particular, but at the whole “ACE2 is the only possible mechanism that might account for a racial difference in susceptibility to the virus” concept which seems to have gained a lot of traction for some reason. A lot of it is likely due to that one paper which seems to have gotten much more publicity (and credence) than is justified by the quality of its data. Add the natural human tendencies toward availability bias, anchoring bias, premature diagnostic closure, etc., and it becomes a meme that’s hard to shake, when there are multiple other potential mechanisms out there.

    For instance: genetic differences in HLA/ MHC antigens, which play a major role in cell-mediated immunity, vary significantly between races, and significantly affect susceptibility to various infectious diseases, including a number of different viruses.

  213. NPleeze says:
    @d dan

    WTF? Injecting truth and rationality into the anti-CCP hysteria gripping the Contard nation?

    [MORE]

  214. NPleeze says:
    @Anon

    Clearly a video posted by one of the countless unethical idiots on Twitter.

    First, there are some Vietnamese who have commented on the video saying it is years old. It is a border crossing where people engage in arbitrage, like people do along many borders (Poland->Ukraine, Ukraine->Russia, Denmark->Germany, Sweden->Denmark, etc.). They are running to get in line, since they have to pass through customs – sort of like the passport line at an airport, but much slower and with far more people, so people run to get across quicker (it is their business).

    Second, and most obviously, not only does it not make sense to run in a horde to “escape” an easily communicable disease (even if one could “escape” a disease by running along with the very same people you are trying to escape from), it is obvious from the video that not a single one of the thousands streaming across is wearing a face mask.

    The bumbling idiots people turn into when a hint of panic strikes is truly remarkable.

    In the US, I have to say, the Contards are the total idiot losers on this whole virus thing.

    Threads like this amuse me, it provides a nice study in how deranged panic can so easily spread, and how the internet fans even the most spurious and idiotic rumors.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  215. @TT

    TT,

    India and the rest of the subcontinent is rife with infectious and deadly diseases that even the experts haven’t yet discovered or know anything about. This coronavirus would hardly be noticed unless someone went looking for it on purpose for whatever reason, but certainly not because they gave a damn about the health of their general population.

  216. @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason and to #135

    I don’t give a damn where this subcon was born or studied, I wouldn’t trust him to operate on anyone’s brain except his own. And the sleazy subcon needs his brain operated but if he botches the job no loss to the world. Trust an Indian doctor at your own peril. Give me a Cuban one any day!

  217. Whatever this Coronavirus is, fake or real, I see that China has been practicing for emergency civil defence in a grand way and now is the time for PRC to take back Formosa. The US and the rest of the West can just watch, complain in the media, and prepare for a new wave of boat people that’ll come their way. The Chinese people have long been waiting for reunification so Go China Go! and the West get ready for the influx of criminals and homos from Taiwan.

    • Replies: @22pp22
  218. @Anon

    We have to be skeptical about all reporting about Coronavirus due to the falsehoods told about previous so-called epidemics like Ebola and the Zika virus . Former employees of the CDC and WHO have complained about corruption at what I once thought were reputable organizations . Is there also a darkside to Johns Hopkins : “Johns Hopkins , Bristol – Myers [and the Rockefeller Foundation] must face $1 billion syphilis infections suit ” reuters.com .See also : “Bio of Jeffrey Smith , playing the role of CIA director/CladeX” centerofhealthsecurity.org “CLADE X” a pandemic exercise held by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health , Center for Health Security .

  219. bjondo says:
    @TKK

    The Chinese revere Jewish culture and business acumen.

    Worthwhile for Chinese to remember Sassoons and opium.

    5ds

  220. This is the pattern of new infections for the past ten days, accurate unless I’ve made a transcription error.

    Note the spike on Feb. 12. That was when testing began including CT scans in addition to the viral body test.

    February 09 – 3,062
    February 10 – 2,478
    February 11 – 2,015
    February 12 – 15,152
    February 13 – 4,281
    February 14 – 2,568
    February 15 – 2,084
    February 16 – 2,048
    February 17 – 1,980
    February 18 – 1,657
    February 19 – 391

    It is worthy of note, and almost exciting, to learn that TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) treatments appear to be serving very well in lieu of Western drugs – and also in lieu of Western preventive vaccinations.

    Reports today that TCM treatment was given to all medical personnel, and there have been no further medical staff infected since the original 11 on that one day many weeks ago. Also reported today is that, of the patients given the same TCM treatment, none have evolved from minor to serious symptoms; they remained minor.

    TCM also appeared effective in the more serious cases. For one 64 year-old woman in Beijing whose symptoms were described as serious and who had difficulty breathing, after the administration of a few doses of a TCM decoction, her difficulty breathing and cough were relieved and the CT scan results also noticeably improved.

    This is probably despicably mean of me, but maybe China should refuse to reveal the TCM formula, and charge Merck and Pfizer $1,000 per application.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike, GammaRay
    • Replies: @last straw
  221. @last straw

    great info, but not the last word on the subject of ACE2 receptors. East Asians seem to be much more susceptible to the Coronavirus. There has to be a genetic reason for this. What is it if not the presence in them of more ACE2 receptors? Plenty of non-East Asians smoke, but in them the smoking does not seem to render them more liable to get the Coronavirus.

  222. @Ayatollah Smith

    On 2/19/2020, Hubei province reverted to the previous diagnostic criteria which had been in use before 2/12/2020. Once again, only those who have positive RT-PCR result or have viral genome are classified as confirmed. Those with clinical symptoms only are categorized as suspected now.

  223. Alfred says:
    @Weston Waroda

    No, actually the virus appears to be losing steam

    I very much hope that you are correct, even if it does not kill people like me.

    The mayhem in China – and soon in Japan and Korea – may end up killing far more people than the virus.

    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
  224. Alfred says:
    @TT

    After China culled, Indians or Africans will be next

    If no Ashkenazim die, I will be compelled to believe your prediction. 🙁

  225. JUSA says:

    It is certainly strange that all the deaths so far have been East Asians, incl. all deaths outside China. The one death in Taiwan, 2 in HK, 1 in Philippines, 3 in Japan incl. 2 from Diamond Princess, 1 in S. Korea, 1 in France, and 2 in Iran were all of Chinese descent except the 3 in Japan who were Japanese, and the one in Korea which we are still not sure but most likely Korean or Chinese. Iran reported that the two deaths in Qom, Iran were two elderly Chinese nationals in their 80s, as is the case with the death in France.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  226. Ron Unz says:
    @JUSA

    It is certainly strange that all the deaths so far have been East Asians… and 2 in Iran were all of Chinese descent…Iran reported that the two deaths in Qom, Iran were two elderly Chinese nationals in their 80s, as is the case with the death in France.

    Is this correct? I browsed around a little and seemed like the two victims in Iran were both Iranian nationals, with no indications of substantial Chinese ancestry.

    • Replies: @JUSA
    , @Anonymous
    , @Alfred
    , @glib
  227. JUSA says:
    @Ron Unz

    You are right. I read the earlier news. The later news that came out said it was actually two Iranian citizens who had no history of traveling abroad, which made their case more puzzling. The sibling of one of the deceased also said the Iranian government lied about them being “elderly” and sick, her brother was 60 and in good health. There are still daily flights arriving from China. I think China needs to do the responsible thing here and ground all outbound flights, stop bringing this virus to the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  228. @JUSA

    The coronavirus “epidemic” is possibly a psy-op so, at this time, how reliable is any news about its causes, infection rates and deaths .

  229. Republic says:
    @d dan

    Linh Dinh’s newest article,Hugging China,is about his visit to a border town on the Chinese border,he says that there is almost no business going on there now

  230. 22pp22 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    One of the last Ryukyuan missions to China was washed ashore in Taiwan in the 1870s and 54 Ryukyuans were murdered by Botan tribesmen. Seven more escaped into the jungle and eventually found sanctuary in a Chinese village. When the Japanese (who wished to annex Ryukyu) complained that the Chinese should not have let this happen, the Chinese replied that that part of Formosa was not under their jurisdiction. Eventually a deal was signed whereby all of Formosa was declared Chinese and the Ryukyuans were declared to be Japanese citizens.

    Japan then annexed Formosa after defeating China in the Sino-Japanese War and retained the island until 1945.

    The Formosa has a very different history from mainland China (it wasn’t Chinese at all until the seventeenth century) and the Taiwanese I have known are very hostile to (or ambivalent about) reunification – as was demonstrated in the last election.

    In a university class, a fellow student said, “Actually I’m Taiwanese, not Chinese.” Another student from Mainland China burst into tears and fled from the room. Eventually, she came back and said that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China.

    There was also a pro-Communist uprising on Taiwan during the Chinese Revolution that was crushed by the KMT with maximum brutality.

    I have never met a criminally-inclined Taiwanese and the history of Taiwan-China relations is, I think, a little more complex than you make it seem.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  231. 22pp22 says:
    @Ron Unz

    The only race most of them hate is their own. IF the Western elite could make money out of killing Chinese, I am sure they would as they are amoral and have no one’s interest at heart but heir own. However, they stand to lose money because of this.

  232. 22pp22 says:
    @Daniel.I

    I am an Anglo and though I enjoy needling oversensitive Mainland Chinese, I have to agree with Daniel I. on this. Shame on @ReallyNoShit for writing that.

  233. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    On January 27, the Johns Hopkins site reported 2,794 confirmed cases of Covid-19, and 80 deaths.

    Today, February 20, there were 76,243 confirmed cases and 2,247 dead. This is 25 days later.

    At the current rate of increase, on March 16, we will have 2,058,561 cases, and 62,916 dead (official numbers, not unofficial).

    On April 10, we should have 55,581,147 cases, and 1,761,648 dead.

    On May 6, we should have 1,500,690,969 cases (1.5 billion), and 49,326,172 dead.

    Anyone who wants to keep track of these numbers, note them down.

    • Troll: utu
  234. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    Keep in mind that the rate of transmission in 1918 happened in a world in which people didn’t travel as much as they do today. The rate of transmission in 2020 may be a LOT faster, with multitudes of points of infection exploding all over the planet that spread out like spider webs.

  235. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Iran getting hit hard with Corona Virus would be the lynchpin to prove this is a bioweapon.

    I am sure there are Chinese that go there, but it could also have been US plants who released the virus in Iran to try and sow terror.

    America would love to see thousands of Iranian casualties and for the people to blame China.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @denk
  236. @Alfred

    From the announcement in early January of the presence of the coronavirus in Wuhan and Hubei Province, the mortality rate was around 2%. As the virus has spread to adjacent areas, it has not appeared to be nearly as virulent. In Hubei now the death rate is over 3%, but not that high anywhere else. Check yourself for provinces adjacent to Hubei. Cases in the hundreds, deaths in the single digits. It has been over a month now, and yet the adjacent areas are not experiencing a comparable death rate, nothing like 2%, with maybe an exception or two. Perhaps this is due to the efforts the Chinese government has undertaken to contain the virus. But why isn’t the Wuhan experience being replicated in every place the virus has spread? Is it strongest in Wuhan because it was artificially introduced there? Very strange. Watch Singapore. Watch South Korea. I could be wrong, I am no expert, there are some unanswered questions here.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @reiner Tor
  237. Alfred says:
    @Ron Unz

    The only thing of interest that I was able to find was this:

    The deaths in Iran on Tuesday were the first fatalities in the Middle East region and only the seventh and eighth death caused by the virus outside mainland China. A health official cited by the semi-official IRNA news agency said the victims had not had any contact with foreigners or with Chinese nationals.

    Iran confirms three more coronavirus cases (al Jazeera)

    The article that mentioned them having been Chinese has vanished. The normal Iranian websites are keeping mum and are out of date. I guess they are afraid that this is another attack and are trying to keep the people from panicking.

    I did a search in Farsi on “virus iran” and I got lots of Western websites – BBC, Bloomberg, APNews , CPNBC etc. I guess Google is doing its patriotic duty.

  238. Alfred says:
    @Weston Waroda

    Thank you.

    The graphic in your link currently shows 2,247 dead and 18,476 recovered. It would seem that the rate for those who go to hospital is a lot more than 12% – since there is a delay between entry and leaving hospital and the number entering is rapidly increasing.

  239. A couple of important points I haven’t seen mentioned here, respecting the Iranian deaths.

    If, if, ‘Covid19’ is a bio-weapon tuned to racial characteristics of a particular geopolitical rival (i.e. China), developed carefully by a public/private complex with billions in resources, wouldn’t it make sense they would also develop a sister virus tuned to the racial characteristics of another geopolitical rival (i.e. Iran) ? If the dissemination of the virii are artificial in addition to natural contagion pathways, and if the symptoms are similar enough, we wouldn’t necessarily be able to differentiate from our armchairs. Careful lab analysis would, but we’re in the fog of war now, and we may not get that data. I don’t think this is stretching things too much; these labs are lavishly funded, and their job is to make weapons in any and every conceivable permutation — it’s a solid bet they’ve got all sorts of these Covids in the magazine.

    In other words, racial Persians falling due to ‘Covid19’ does not discredit the racial-bioweapon thesis; I would rather suggest it may strengthen it.

    There may be some other conflating factors we don’t know about. I had initially considered the EM warfare aspect of this to be farfetched, but the more I research 5G the less certain I am about this. Millimeter wave radar is used as a sensor technology but also as a weapon against the human organism. It’s worthwhile to point out how little we in the public know about the massive research –top-secret– in recent decades towards new ways of targeting the human body via both EM spectrum and bugs, and it would be silly to discount out of hand that there would be some synergistic tactics involving both. There is a ton we don’t know. Sure there is a lot of fanciful misinfo out there, but I suppose the basic prospect of these things is highly plausible, even if we can’t expect to get accurate information about it on the web.

    • Replies: @anon8383892
  240. @Weston Waroda

    The hospitals in Wuhan are overwhelmed, meaning that they cannot provide care for most of the seriously ill. As a result, lots of people who would survive after some time in intensive care elsewhere simply die in Wuhan. It’s not a big mystery.

    Has everyone forgotten that the first deaths in Wuhan occurred in mid-January only.

  241. @22pp22

    I have never met a criminally-inclined Taiwanese

    Here’s just one massive gang,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_Union

    and there are more.

  242. denk says:

    Those countries that consider themselves victims of bioterrorism should investigate all these cases and bring them up for international discussion. For example, to the UN Security Council. To raise the issue of the activities of American biolaboratories outside the United States. We have to do something. Because a lot of people are already suffering from it. And in general, it is necessary to strengthen the biosecurity of the country.

    [[[sobs]]] have 400 biowarfare labs in OTHER countries !

    OMFG !

    —————————

    [MORE]

    Interviewer: In which labs can it appear?

    Nikulin: I can only assume. But look: China, like Russia, is surrounded by American research biolaboratories. They are in different countries along the perimeter of China’s borders – in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea, Japan. They were in Indonesia, but they closed them. And wherever there are these American biolaboratories, or near them, there are outbreaks of new diseases, often unknown. Threats to the local population are simply ignored by Americans. The main thing is that it was away from the territory of the United States.

    Interviewer: How many foreign biolaboratories do the U.S. have?

    Nikulin: It’s 400.

    Interviewer: They are overseen by the Pentagon?

    Nikulin: Of course. It’s all funded from the Pentagon budget. Therefore, it is not necessary to say that peaceful humanitarian research is being carried out there. Do you think the Pentagon’s money is being spent on peaceful research? No one is allowed in. These are military labs. When more than a hundred people died in Georgia near such a laboratory within one month, do you think someone was allowed to go there? No one was allowed into the American laboratory at all.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-appraisal-china-coronavirus/5703761

  243. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    America would love to see thousands of Iranian casualties and for the people to blame China

    [[[SOBS]]] are doing their damndest to
    frame the Chinese as pariah of 21C, to deliver a coup de grace forcing WHO to declare a global pendemic crisis, a total quarantine of China.

    [[[they]]] have unlimited resources and an army of agents provocateurs/local compradors all over the world, whats there to stop them from spraying that craps in Iran, Jp, KOrea and everywhere else and mount a second wave attack just when the Chinese think its safe to get back to work ??

  244. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s time to shut down *all* air travels all over the world, ground all airplanes until the end of March, then reassess.

    WSJ reported that the CCP encourages Chinese citizens to travel far and wide and spread Chinese “culture” to all four corners of the globe, such that their citizens now take 150 million trips abroad each year. Being such completely self-unaware people, they don’t seem to realize that even before this virus, Chinese were already widely disdained the world over for being loud, rude, badly dressed, badly behaving and untrustworthy. Now they are even more hated for spreading this virus to the rest of the world. Iran continues to accept multiple flights from China each day, to the anger of their people. This is happening everywhere. People all over the world are hating on their governments for caring about money more than lives, and are still allowing inbound flights from China, even in the US.

    Globetrotting globalists brought this virus upon the world. The only good thing that could come out of this outbreak is people all over the world wise up to the evils of globalization and push their government to end it. The airline industry needs to pay for bringing diseases and unwanted immigration all over the world. More of them need to go out of business.

  245. Bert says:
    @reiner Tor

    rT,
    You’re arguing with idiots. But if you are willing to do that noble work, here’s more ammo. The link shows that comorbidity, especially cardiovascular disease, likely allows Covid-19 to kill those who do die when infected. When the partial correlation analysis and causal modeling are eventually done on an extensive data set, even age will probably not be strongly independently correlated with risk of Covid-19 mortality. Age is just a risk factor for the various comorbidities, and thus a covariate rather than a strongly causal variable.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

  246. @anon8383892

    Forgot to mention also, if, if, the CCP determines this a race-specific bio-attack, and they wished to retaliate, they might choose to do so under the auspices of a natural Covid19 spread into the target countries. If indeed Covid19 was a race-specific weapon, it wouldn’t matter, they could just release a variation specific to the race they were targeting. Proving this retaliatory weapon to be race-specific would just highlight the race-specificity of the original weapon (if that’s what it was).
    This seems a likely imperative that would drive a non-accusation stance, even if they had certitude about a race-specific bio-weapon nature of Covid19.

  247. glib says:
    @Ron Unz

    The just announced death in Italy (78-yrs old retired carpenter) is most likely the first death of a white person. There are many chinese now in Italy, but I dare say that 90+% have a shop, bar, or work in the garment industry. I have not seen a single one in a blue collar position. Granted he was possibly a smoker

  248. TommyJohn says:

    Cross post, but I think relevant, and I added additional points.

    I thank Ron Unz for providing a home for so many interesting articles. When I first heard of this outbreak, I was astounded that it allegedly started at a transportation hub just before the Chinese New Year. This is like spraying a plague into the air at Christmas time at US hubs such as the Chicago O’Hare airport or the Dallas airport. Such timing and location would definitely distribute a virus all over a country. Its high R0, long, stealthy incubation/spread period, unnatural structure further added to my suspicion.

    COVID-19, when viewed as a bioweapon, is like a high performance Ferrari. It has several breakthrough weapon features. While I do not work in the biological sciences, I think this is not something that can be bootlegged by a grad student or even by a singleton professor. The design, construction, testing of such a state-of-the-art, high performance weapon requires national-level funding of facility, many cutting-edge personnel, security and support staff, very expensive state-of-the-art equipment, much consumables, and, of course, management staff/oversight, and much time to perform many, many cycles of design, construction, test before perfecting the result. These breakthrough weapon features are developed one at a time with concurrent development of its associated antidote. If the Wuhan BSL-4 facility was working on COVID-19 and it leaked out, then much money, time, precious equipment and facility, and many Chinese were devoted to perfecting a weapon that kills their family, themselves, and the Chinese economy and not (in large numbers) their potential adversaries. At what point would the weapon developer apply the thus-far-developed antidote?

    The leak idea is silly propaganda because it requires the Chinese to do their “Manhattan” project to first kill themselves. Chinese travelers travel to Beijing and Shanghai as well as to London, Paris, Vancouver, Toronto, Sydney, Melbourne, and the US west coast cities. Significant number of Chinese live in Vancouver, Toronto, Sydney, Melbourne, and the US west coast cities, and they rub shoulders with the non-Chinese locals. They do travel to China and back. If Beijing and Shanghai are in lockdown, then the developed Western (largely non-Asian) cities should also be approaching lockdown. But, they are not. COVID-19, thus far, is not killing the whites like it kills the Chinese.

    A quick internet search shows that China has only 1 BSL-4 facility, at Wuhan, opened in 2015. US has 13 or more BSL-4 facilities. UK has 9. Germany has 4. Australia and India have 3 each. US Ft. Detrick has 3, started working at 1969. Israel does not talk, but its IIBR has contributed much biological warfare-related research: https://www.nti.org/learn/countries/israel/biological/ While the Chinese are smart, they seem to be outgunned and be way behind the NATO and the US/Zionist teams in biological weapon research. This disparity may reveal a vulnerability before China can develop suitable defenses to close the gap.

    The COVID-19 infection/death data should also be broken out by racial (DNA) groupings. Sitting here at a US west coast city, I don’t see the hospital emergency rooms clogged up. From what I see, most self-quarantined US people are Chinese who traveled from China recently. In a few weeks, I will see whether COVID-19 kills non-Asians like it kills the Chinese. I saw on the news recently that US has 17 military bases prepped to receive overflow cases. That does not seem like a serious effort to protect 50 states.

    COVID-19, if a weapon with multiple breakthrough features, can only be developed in a BSL-4 facility in a large, sustained, and very expensive effort, with suitable security authorization and force to keep everyone involved quiet and well-behaved. So, if it is a state-of-the-art weapon, means and opportunity are no obstacle for some. Then, what about motivation? Would China devote national-level effort to first kill its own people and destroy its economy before targeting its potential adversaries? Who else have the means and the motivation?

    If COVID-19 is the result of 1 mutation, then Mother Nature astounds as, with one small step, she adds novel features that quickly bring a large nation to its knees.

    Would a miracle antidote emerge suddenly? I am optimistic that this problem may vanish quietly, like the Ebola outbreak did. Perhaps after China comes to its senses or perhaps after China is suitably weakened and humbled.

    The outbreak in Iran is unexpected. Few Chinese travelers visit Qom as compared to Vancouver, Sydney, or Melbourne. Any Chinese workers in Iran should have been knowledgeable and well protected. This adds mystery to potential motivations. Or perhaps not.

    I think the COVID-19 R0 is likely to be different for different racial (DNA) groups.

    I also read that Russians smoke a lot:

    WHO: Russians Smoke the Most
    By Natalya Krainova Nov. 9, 2010
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2010/11/09/who-russians-smoke-the-most-a2842

    Bad luck for China and Russia. Would China design a weapon to kill its own smokers and then its strategic partner? Or is Mother Nature against smoking?

  249. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:

    Lot of ignorance of basic epidemiology here. You don’t die right away, so death rate per confirmed case rises to a plateau over time. I’m predicting 5.5 to 6% by the time it’s over.

    Non-East Asians got started later, so will take longer to show up dead. That said, their ACE2 receptor types or something similar may well make East Asians relatively more susceptible. But epidemiologically significant numbers of Whites, Black and South Asians will die before this is over. And economically significant numbers will clog ICU’s.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @22pp22
    , @Realist
  250. An Italian from the village of Vo’ Euganeo near Padua has just died from the coronavirus. So much for your theory that only Asians die.

    https://www.efreenews.com/a/first-italian-dies-of-coronavirus

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  251. @reiner Tor

    After the death of the Italian pensioner (what are the chances that a 77 yo retired carpenter in Italy is ethnically Chinese?), my new proposal for Lance Welton’s next column is STILL No Nordic Deaths from Corona—But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It. Once a Nordic person dies, he can write another column with the title STILL No Deaths in my family from Corona—But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It</i. In the unfortunate event that a family member succumbs to the disease, he can still write STILL I’m alive —But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It.

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  252. vanbbr says:

    First Italian person died last night: no Asian origins and never been in China (or Asia).
    Now what?..

  253. @anon

    That’s true, but 40% of cases on the cruise ship were asymptomatic, with another 40% only mildly ill. I’m inclined to believe in the less catastrophic scenarios, so “only” 1-2% mortality rate seems likely to me.

    But keep in mind that supplies lines are going to get hit. Here’s a little story about a major generic drug producing country, India, being dependent on Chinese raw materials. Okay, probably US drug producers are also dependent on foreign (perhaps even Chinese) raw materials, and the pandemic might just as easily shut down India or the US itself.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/business/pharma-drugs-coronavirus/index.html

    So, imagine that antibiotics production was gone. Hello, secondary bacterial infections! Hello, opportunistic bacterial outbreaks! (Especially since food production and distribution might collapse, too, so people could be starving or eating unbalanced diets…)

    I’m not saying it’s going to be pretty apocalyptic, but it’s going to be pretty apocalyptic.

    Different topic.

    Although there was always a tendency to overhype outbreaks in the past, it must be noted that due to the nature of these things, outbreaks are either overhyped (if they are just a heavier flu, or are nipped in the bud), or they are almost literally the armageddon. There’s not much in the middle. Also, while there was always lots of hype, there were lots of stories comparing it to SARS (it was already by late January obvious that it was way worse than SARS), and there were lots of “everything’s gonna be alright, nothing ever happens, please disperse” type articles and comments.

    My Facebook feed was full of “scientific” “rational” people who kept saying (and sharing stories on Facebook) about how you were way likelier to die of the seasonal flu than of COVID-19 (morons), and these were the same people and same “scientific” “rational” types who previously kept sharing statistics on Facebook to “prove” that you were more likely to drown in your bath than to be killed by terrorists, therefore, instead of being horribly afraid of terrorists you should instead be afraid of your bathtub. (Meanwhile, refugees welcome!)

    I’m not sure if that was Lance Welton’s intention, but his argument basically boiled down to “let’s be complacent about this, we can start worrying after we start dropping dead on the street.” I don’t think it’s a good line of thinking in general, and no-one here answered this point of mine (already made in the last paragraph of my first comment here, at #4).

  254. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Weston Waroda

    I don’t believe that the theory was that simple. The danger wouldn’t be a binary yes-no but spread on a scale between races and even internally, within them.

    I don’t know if this was a deliberate bioweapon attack but it’s certainly possible. For starters, the culprits would definitely have a vaccine ready before releasing the weapon in case it gets out of hand. We also know, from the comment #130, that (((PNAC))) was advocating for this exact scenario:

    I would remind readers here of the statement from PNAC, in a report titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, that:

    “Advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare … to a politically useful tool.” (1)

  255. South Korea has had more infections, not unusual since they are genetically similar to Chinese as well (Japanese and Vietnamese too).

    But there are exceptions to almost everything. A disease renowned for afflicting primarily the elderly does not preclude the possibility of an infant somewhere being infected. The world is not black and white. We are not genetically 100% broccoli or banana.

    If this new coronavirus infects 1,000 non-Chinese out of 100,000, that’s only 1%, isn’t it? And if 10 Caucasians die out of 2,500 total fatalities, that’s even less than 1%. And still defined as race-specific.

    And once again, China has millions of foreigners, primarily Caucasian, in Wuhan and every other city. No infections reported, and no fatalities. We can be forgiven for asking why not.

  256. @Ayatollah Smith

    Ayatollah Smith,

    If I were Chinese, I’d be pretty peeved about seeing all these whites around my country whom it doesn’t affect while my people are suffering. Imagine, they could be carriers of this deadly disease spreading it to the local Chinese while not running a risk of dying of it themselves. In the future they could be used as such carriers and spreaders, even inadvertently, of designer race-specific illnesses. I think PRC should seriously consider repatriating all, or most, of these expatriates for the safety of their own people and of these expats themselves in case some upset Chinamen decide to retaliate.

  257. Dumbo says:

    I doubt that it kills more chin…, er, East Asians than other races. It’s just that the center of the epidemic is there.

    However this idea of viruses that affect only certain races is certainly something that many men have dreamed of. Who knows if it is possible? I suppose it is.

    If I was an evil genius, I would create a virus that affects only white women who have sex with blacks, making them sterile forever. Or is that racist?

  258. @Ayatollah Smith

    China has millions of foreigners,

    Not in Wuhan. Rather a few thousands.

    primarily Caucasian

    It’s possible, but I have seen no clear proof of that. It appears to me that the Americans in Wuhan were primarily Chinese Americans. As at least lots of Chinese Australians, too. Probably some of the Germans etc. were ethnically Chinese. There were lots of Japanese.

    No infections reported

    That’s just false. An Italian doctor noticed the high rate of infections among Italian and Belgian repatriates back in early February.

    no fatalities.

    Lots of confounding factors. The foreigners were evacuated and since then have been in quarantine (so no new infections) and received first world hospital care. That’s definitely not the case for those unlucky Wuhanese left behind. Mortality outside Hubei is also pretty low, in Zhejiang it’s 0/1000+. The foreigners were on average younger (fewer elderly among them) and probably healthier, on average. Probably smoked less. Hadn’t lived their entire lives in cities with very high air pollution. Even in Hubei mortality was zero until January 11.

    I have made all these points before, but now there are some additional points. Infection rates are perhaps not very low in Iran (a Canadian woman, probably of Iranian descent, had just travelled to Iran before being diagnosed with it: how many random travelers there are in Iran?), and Italians don’t look like they have any difficulty contracting it.

    Anyway, of course it’s possible that it’s a bioweapon genetically tailored to Chinese (or Chinese and Persians), just there are no facts which would be inconsistent with the simpler explanation of a bat virus doing well in human bodies.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  259. A man of European ethnicity died in Italy from Corona. There’s a photo.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8031839/Coronavirus-kills-two-Italy.html

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  260. denk says:

    2013,
    US build a bubonic ‘research’ lab in KaZaskhstan,

    2014
    Chinese border town Yumen hit by bubonic plague, total quarantine.

    2014
    Ebola ‘leaked’ from two US biowar labs in Africa, it became the carte blanche for US to send in 101 airborne to beef up Africom boots on the ground.

    2018
    Russia accused virus from FUKUS bio lab in Georgia killed almost 100 people, Moscow warned of ‘military action’ to take out the bioweapon lab,.


    Tip of an iceberg.

    All past and current victims of UKUS bioweapons,
    …, Africa, Cuba, Nicaragua, Guatamela, China, Russia, , Pakistan, should join force to deal with the great satan, the greatest menace to humanity.

  261. denk says:
    @Daniel.I

    ‘ There is absolutely no evidence for aggressive Chinese intentions towards India or anywhere in South Asia, but Washington and New Delhi are laying the foundations for a new Cold War in Asia.’

    http://www.island.lk/2006/03/01/features7.html

  262. @reiner Tor

    There are now more full genome analysis of the virus’ evolution tree. I read an introduction of an article of revent few days. But cannot find its origin. One basic point is that the Wuhan wild animal market IS NOT the source.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  263. @yakushimaru

    I find it very likely that it leaked from the Wuhan Center for Disease Prevention and Control. But it’s probably a natural virus. That’s my working hypothesis right now. I originally believed it was fully natural, but came around to the view it must’ve leaked from the lab, where they were studying such viruses. I’ve seen no evidence that it was bioengineered by anyone, nor that it’s deadlier for East Asians than anyone else. I can change my opinion based on evidence, of course.

  264. 22pp22 says:
    @anon

    Great comment! Would you like Welton’s job?

  265. I recommend watching this video (despite normally hating videos, it was worth the time, though I’d prefer a written blog post, of course):

    He says he’s got contacts in Iran who are telling him that the situation is way worse than they admit. Also, case fatality rate seems to be very bad, worse than in China. So I guess Lance Welton’s next column should be with the title East Asians Are Less Susceptible to COVID-19 Than Aryans – But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It.

    An alternative explanation would be that China is understating the CFR, and situation is way worse than the official numbers. I have written several times here and elsewhere that I don’t believe the Chinese numbers, but it’s another confirmation of that. China wouldn’t have shut down her economy over a few pensioners dying of the flu, that much is pretty obvious. This is a horrible epidemic.

    Iran probably has the same comorbidities as China, so air pollution (though they burn oil instead of coal, so must be better..?) and high smoking rates (the latter I guess, am I wrong?), population densities are theoretically lower, but in huge cities it probably doesn’t matter that much.

    He also says Iranian doctors are surprised by the rapid progress of the disease, relatively mild symptoms can advance into organ failure in a few hours.

    • Replies: @utu
  266. How do we know how many people have actually been infected and died from the Coronavirus ? See:
    “Are Coronavirus tests accurate?”medicinenet.com :
    “Insufficient test kits , changing defintions of what constitutes a confirmed case of COVID-19, and overdiagnosis and misdiagnosis make it difficult to determine the real number of those affected.”

  267. Gee, hasn’t this article aged well?

  268. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    My source tells me all schools and universities are closed as of today in Iran.

  269. denk says:

    Hmmmm…

    BOth China and Iran menaced by Cov9 and locusts…..must be another coincidence !

  270. 22pp22 says:

    The proportion of serious to mild cases on Italy is 50%. It looks like it might hit white people harder. Come back, Razib Khan!

  271. 267, 272, reiner Tor says:

    (In response to my statement of no fatalities):

    “The foreigners were evacuated and since then have been in quarantine (so no new infections) and received first world hospital care. That’s definitely not the case for those unlucky Wuhanese left behind.”

    (My statement): “China has millions of foreigners . . . ” Reiner Tor: “Not in Wuhan. Rather a few thousands”

    (My statement): “primarily Caucasian . . .” Reiner Tor: “It’s possible, but I have seen no clear proof of that. It appears to me that the Americans in Wuhan were primarily Chinese Americans. As at least lots of Chinese Australians, too. Probably some of the Germans etc. were ethnically Chinese.”

    “I’ve seen no evidence that it was bioengineered by anyone, nor that it’s deadlier for East Asians than anyone else.”

    “I find it very likely that it leaked from the Wuhan Center for Disease Prevention and Control. But it’s probably a natural virus.”

    Mr. (or Ms.) Reiner Tor, I’m sorry to say this, but I believe it is time you abandoned your imaginary claims to expertise and superior judgment. In your posts, you dismiss authoritative statements by others, apparently because you choose to not accept them while demanding proof and evidence of those statements, but in response you make spurious and fatuous claims based on nothing apparent other than your imaginary superiority.

    You said the foreigners were evacuated, so not infected, and in any case received “first world hospital care” while the “unlucky Wuhanese left behind” were left to die. How dare you make such offensive accusations? How dare you? Chinese medical facilities in Wuhan are equal to anything in the West.

    I stated that the foreigners in Wuhan and most other Chinese cities are primarily Caucasian, but you want proof of that. On the other hand, you then speculate that most are really ethnic Chinese, your speculation sufficing as proof. How dare you? You have no local knowledge, no specific information, but state fatuous imaginings as reality and deny others’ factual statements as imaginary.

    You are a fraud.

    You’ve seen no evidence that the virus was bioengineered. Really? And who are you that the authorities should provide you with such evidence if it exists? You’ve seen no evidence that the virus is deadlier for East Asians than anyone else, in spite of the fact that 99% of the deaths so far have been ethnic Chinese. Brilliant.

    You find it “very likely” that the virus “leaked” from the Wuhan biolab. Really? You “find”? You are a superior judge in a court who has had all the evidence presented to him, and you “find” that the Chinese accidentally committed suicide. Again, brilliant.

    Would you care to present some of this “evidence” by virtue of which you “find” a leak?

    You are a fraud, and a troll, assuming knowlege you clearly don’t possess, and arrogantly presuming to make judgments on circumstances you clearly don’t even understand, then posting irresponsible bullshit as learned conclusions.

    A responsible intellectual searches for truth.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  272. South Korea has had around 560 infections to date (and 4 deaths), which isn’t genetically a surprise, the surprise being how the infections spread to South Korea and why the virus seems so contagious there compared to Japan.

    Iran has had 18 infections to date, with 6 deaths. That is astonishingly high. I would be very interested to know if the virus infecting Iranians is identical to that infecting the Chinese, or a mutation, or a different version altogether. Something is strange here.

    Bill Gates was telling the world that Africa would be depopulated by this virus. He didn’t mention Iran. And no information on how the virus traveled to Iran.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  273. denk says:

    [[[sobs]]] have so many bioweapon labs working around the clock, gawd knows how many flavor of race specific craps [[[they]]] have concocted by now.

    Remember Dr ‘death’ Basson of SA , he worked on Negro specific bioweapons , sponsored by FUKUS, even testified in court that CIA threatened to silence him off ?

  274. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:

    The average person does not recognise the concept of race, so whether or not there are racial differences in susceptibility to the Coronavirus is irrelevant because most people are terrified of the virus if they hear of large numbers of people of any race or nationality dying from it.

    In addition to this there are now multiple confirmed cases of Europeans and other non-East Asians dying from it so the theory that only East Asians die from it doesn’t appear to be even correct. Most people would dismiss the idea that only East Asians can die from it as a loony, borderline racist conspiracy theory.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Realist
  275. @Brás Cubas

    A man of European ethnicity died in Italy from Corona. There’s a photo.

    That’s around 20%. Not good.

    Looks like they’re working pretty hard to test potential cases, but it’s pretty widespread already:

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  276. @Ayatollah Smith

    South Korea has had around 560 infections to date (and 4 deaths), which isn’t genetically a surprise, the surprise being how the infections spread to South Korea and why the virus seems so contagious there compared to Japan.
    Iran has had 18 infections to date, with 6 deaths. That is astonishingly high.

    The map is not the territory. In this case, it’s pretty clear that part of the difference compared to Iran is simply that South Korea has a better map.

    South Korea got a little behind on things when the outbreak first began there. Many of the early cases were linked to a “superspreader” who reportedly refused to be tested for the virus. But they’ve really been making a serious effort to screen all potential cases since then. The reason so many cases showed up in one day was that they tested something like 5000 people. They’re screening everyone with suspicious symptoms/ clinical presentation, regardless of travel history. They’ve even approved a commercial test for high volume automated testing. So it’s to be expected that they’re going to turn up more mild cases (and catch them earlier).

    Japan didn’t have a anything comparable to the church cluster in South Korea (except for the cruise ship), and was also slower to implement widespread testing.

    Iran, on the other hand… When your first 2 diagnosed cases are both fatalities, and neither has a known link to China or to a previously diagnosed case, that means that:
    1. There’s a whole lot of cases (and ongoing transmission) out there that you don’t know about
    2. You’ve been missing them for a while (usually takes 2-3 weeks to kill you)

    Meanwhile, back in the US, the CDC test was approved for nationwide distribution back on Feb 3, but then they had some problems with it, and they’re back to doing all the tests at the CDC. They’ve tested maybe a tenth the number 0f people that South Korea has…

    And no information on how the virus traveled to Iran.

    No, but there are a number of possibilities that don’t necessarily involve foul play. China is Iran’s largest trading partner. The Tehran–Qom–Isfahan High Speed Rail project is being built by a Chinese consortium. And of course, Qom is a holy city to Shiʿa Islam, so it gets something like 20 million pilgrims a year (Iranians and international).

  277. Ber says:
    @Anonymous

    Regrettably there are some mad people whom I will call the ‘seeds of the devil’ are responsible. It is also public information that these people want ‘Order out of Chaos’ . WW3 will be a good opportunity.

    “…assassinating Solemani…” does point to the ruthlessness of Trump et al. One cannot help but wonder to what extent these people will go to, to MAGA. IF for example, the virus infection in China got off out of control, would it not be an opportunity to start a war with China? The US will win fairly easily. Could this be a reason that China is on a so-called ‘war footing’? Coincided to this was a 2 day military exercise around Taiwan to stop secessionist threat. One could also explain away that it is on a war footing was against the virus.

    IF this speculation is credible then the successful control of the Corona by China has averted a WW3….Whatever ….just rambling to keep everyone “entertained”. Whatever…LOL

  278. Ber says:
    @Anon

    Cannot be from China rushing through now…because hardly anyone wears masks.

  279. Bert says:
    @Anonymous

    ” Most people would dismiss the idea that only East Asians can die from it as a loony, borderline racist conspiracy theory.”

    Absolutely correct, and yet Mr. Unz publishes this kind of irresponsible conspiracy theorizing. As Covid-19 races through Caucasian populations in the Eastern Hemisphere, Lance Welton should hang his head in shame.

  280. @Ayatollah Smith

    authoritative statements by others

    I dismiss your statements, which you deem “authoritative.” People reading my posts and yours will be able to tell which one of us is the one whose opinions are worthy of attention more.

    I haven’t seen much arguments, and lots of fallacies in your comment, so I think there are better uses of my time than to write a detailed answer. I wish you a nice week.

  281. @James Forrestal

    The fact that they were first disproportionately finding cases in critical condition (some shortly before dying) is an indication that there are many many more cases not yet caught.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  282. Realist says:
    @Bert

    Absolutely correct, and yet Mr. Unz publishes this kind of irresponsible conspiracy theorizing. As Covid-19 races through Caucasian populations in the Eastern Hemisphere, Lance Welton should hang his head in shame.

    How many Caucasians have died?

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @reiner Tor
  283. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    In addition to this there are now multiple confirmed cases of Europeans and other non-East Asians dying from it so the theory that only East Asians die from it doesn’t appear to be even correct.

    Citation???

  284. Realist says:
    @anon

    I’m predicting 5.5 to 6% by the time it’s over.

    Based on what???

  285. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    and yet Mr. Unz publishes this kind of irresponsible conspiracy theorizing

    There’s nothing irresponsible about posting theories. Believe it or not, we are grownups who won’t be damaged by getting exposed to other people’s theories and allowed to discuss our own. It’s called “free speech”, you censorious dummy. This is how normal people search for knowledge. If a theory becomes less plausible in light of new data, we’ll somehow find strength to incorporate it into new theories and survive. Bottom line is that we still don’t know how the virus will end up affecting different races in the final analysis.

    You, on the other hand, can go to whatever safe space caters to people who get triggered by “irresponsible” speech (ugh).

    • Replies: @Bert
  286. Bert says:
    @Anonymous

    You are confusing the scientific use of the word theory (actually hypothesis is the correct term for unsupported or weakly-indicated speculation) with the bullshit that is thrown around at Unz Review. Very little on UR is scientific, only some of the HBD material. There is considerable historical revisionism, thankfully most of it based on at least some evidence. And then there is the commentary, much of which is done by crazies, trolls, salaried personnel or just immature folks like you.

    As to whether it is irresponsible to publish speculation about Covid-19 being a U.S. bioweapon and try to back that up with the claim that Caucasians are naturally resistant, such publishing can cause problems large and small. When you have North Korea likely to implode, the reaction of the Kim regime could be to say, “Fuck it. Let’s go for the Samson Option.” If you doubt that governments monitor UR, you’re very naive. Or poor fools believe your “theory” (= bullshit), and decide not to take personal preventive measures which could have kept them alive.

    Free speech does not extend to shouting “Fire” in a theater when there is not a fire. Unfortunately the equivalent has gone on at UR for a couple of weeks now. It will undoubtedly cause someone to lose their life. Think about that Mr. Unz.

  287. @Bert

    yet Mr. Unz publishes this kind of irresponsible conspiracy theorizing

    There’s nothing wrong with publishing it. I can criticize Mr. Welton for being a cretin, but at least initially the question was worth asking, and now… well, he has a write to be wrong.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Bert
  288. Bert says:
    @Realist

    18 and headed for many hundreds

    • Replies: @Realist
  289. @Realist

    As of today, more Caucasians have died from it, than East Asians five weeks ago.

    • Replies: @Realist
  290. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bert

    As to whether it is irresponsible to publish speculation about Covid-19 being a U.S. bioweapon and try to back that up with the claim that Caucasians are naturally resistant, such publishing can cause problems large and small. When you have North Korea likely to implode, the reaction of the Kim regime could be to say, “Fuck it. Let’s go for the Samson Option.”

    In other words, our irresponsible words might push Kim into launching his nuclear arsenal at the world.

    Maybe you should lie down and take a nap.

  291. Bert says:

    Your inability to reason demonstrates your immaturity. Kim would go Sampson because he believed that the U.S. launched first with a bioweapon, an assertion made by several Unz-associated individuals. Kim is paranoid, psychologically infantile, and bloody-minded. What such a person decides, and on what basis, is unpredictable. When you get out of the basement and have some experience with the breadth of human personality, you will encounter someone like Kim. And even someone as unperceptive as you will decide your best course is to avoid trouble with them.

  292. Bert says:
    @reiner Tor

    Unz has a right to be wrong in his personal life. He does not have the moral right to interfer in international relations during an ongoing crisis. As for “Welton” he shows himself to be a self-centered, publicity-seeking ass in the following manner. He is supposedly a white nationalist. Why would a person who wants the best for Caucasians, push in two separate columns the idea that Caucasians don’t need to be concerned about preventative measures? Two months from now that meme of Welton very likely will have killed some white folks.

    The Johns Hopkins site on the epidemic has now been closed to the general public. I would not be surprised if that is because the TPB have seen too much crazy talk on places like Unz Review, and they decided that unrestricted information is bad for keeping the masses under control. Much of what goes on in Unz Review during this crisis is nothing more than disaster porn. If it results in less information getting to the public, then it is harmful as well as disgusting.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  293. WTF. How did I miss this?

    Coronavirus live updates: California home quarantines jump to 8,000

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/amp/Coronavirus-live-updates-Death-toll-exceeds-1-000-15045880.php

  294. JimDandy says:
    @yakushimaru

    This post should be getting more attention. Why are fewer old people exposed in your town?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  295. @JimDandy

    Thanks. This sounds like a serious argument against Lance Welton’s analysis.

  296. Realist says:
    @reiner Tor

    Nonsensical comment.

    • Disagree: but an humble craftsman
    • Replies: @Bert
  297. Realist says:
    @Bert

    There is no way you could know that…Chicken Little

    • Replies: @Bert
  298. @Bert

    Bert,

    North Korea wouldn’t do anything without China’s approval. And being sealed inside their borders as they are, they’ve probably got the best chance to survive this. They really have no reason to launch their version of the Samson Option because of what happens across their closed borders. And if Kim is reading UR so much the better. It looks like your head will implode before North Korea does.

  299. @reiner Tor

    The fact that they were first disproportionately finding cases in critical condition (some shortly before dying) is an indication that there are many many more cases not yet caught.

    Exactly. Iran is an even more extreme example of this. Their first two known cases were both diagnosed at or near death and with unknown transmission pathway, and they still have something like a 25% case fatality rate… for cases they know about.

  300. @Bert

    While your broader point is not entirely incorrect, this claim clearly is:

    The Johns Hopkins site on the epidemic has now been closed to the general public.

    A quick search for “Johns Hopkins coronavirus map” turns up this as one of the top results. Open to the public and working fine.

    Though the truth is almost as bad:
    Acting Deputy DHS Secretary Ken Cuccinelli got confused and thought the sitewas behind a paywall — so he asked Twitter for help.

    BNO News also has a good page that tracks COVID-19 cases.

    At least Mr. Welton has a coherent thesis and cites references that are at least marginally relevant to it. In his first piece on this topic, he claimed “there are very likely to be race differences in susceptibility to the pathogens and in how well the immune system can fight them,” which is an eminently-defensible claim. But he’s moved more towards implying something like “It looks as if Whites are naturally immune to the SARS-CoV-2 virus”… which is not.

    From his second article:

    What can be said with certainty: there exist racial differences in susceptibility to flu-like viruses, as a study by Chinese scientists [Ethnic differences in susceptibilities to A(H1N1) flu, by C. L. Chen et al., African Journal of Biotechnology, 2009], which I highlighted in my first column on Coronavirus, has shown.

    1. SARS-CoV-2 is not a “flu-like virus.” Yeah, it’s an also RNA viruses, but that’s about all it has in with influenza A. Coronaviruses aren’t even in the same phylum as influenza viruses.

    2. While it’s certainly possible — even plausible — that there are (or were) racial/ ethnic differences in susceptibility to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, you certainly couldn’t prove it by this crappy paper. There’s a reason why it was published in the “African Journal of Biotechnology.” Yeah, they’re right in saying that it would be useful to more consistently include data on race/ ethnicity in public health/ epidemiology reporting, but that’s about it. Their attempt to “discussed how to identify ethnic selectivity from the released data by WHO relevant to this ongoing flu” is not an impressive one.

    It doesn’t really define a coherent hypothesis — just speculates based on minimal data. It’s based on early (2009) data (much more has become available since then), doesn’t bother to specify how they chose which data to cite, mixes up case-fatality rates with (population-level) mortality rates, doesn’t bother acknowledge any issues with the quality of the data or how it varies between countries, etc. The authors predicted a maximum of 14,000 to 70,000 deaths globally from the H1N1 pandemic. How’d that work out?

    2012 CDC estimate of H1N1 global pandemic deaths (first 12 months) based on much more complete data than the African paper: “…a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000

    How about their (apparent) claim that H1N1 was most virulent in mestizos and Whites, and least in Asians?

    “They also calculate that Africa and Southeast Asia, which have 38% of the world’s population, accounted for a disproportionate 51% of the deaths.”

    Huh. You can’t really conclude that the authors have “shown” anything definite about racial/ ethnic differences in susceptibility to the (H1N1)pdm09 influenza virus during the 2009 “swine flu” pandemic based on their African Biotechnology paper.

    Welton’s work on this issue is light years ahead of the emotional incontinence and incoherent blabbering of someone like “Metallicman,” of course, but it’s still pretty questionable.

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  301. Engineered “novel coronavirus” okay for Europeans
    .
    benjaminfulford. net/2020/01/29/engineered-novel-coronavirus-okay-for-europeans/#comments
    .
    The “novel coronavirus” now infecting people in China is designed to leave those of European descent unharmed, according to P3 Freemason sources.  We have previously provided extensive proof to show this was also true of SARS. 
    .
    Remember, the Nazi neocons who came to power with George W. Bush Jr.  said in their Project for the New American Century manifesto that ethnic-specific bio-weapons would be a “useful political tool.”
    .
    Look at the Patent!
    .
    fbcoverup. com/docs/library/2018-11-20-US-Pat-No-10130701-CORONAVIRUS-Assignee-THE-PIRBRIGHT-INSTUTUTE-Woking-Great-Britain-funded-by-Wellcomme-Trust-and-Gates-Foundation-USPTO-Nov-20-2018.pdf

  302. @Ghali

    Only CNN employs illiterate bigots.

    I don’t mean to nitpick, but didn’t you mean to say “CNN only employs illiterate bigots.” Surely the rest of the leftist media do the same.

  303. Bert says:
    @Realist

    reiner Tor’s comment seems nonsensical only to a person so innumerate that he doesn’t understand exponential growth.

    • Replies: @Realist
  304. Bert says:
    @Realist

    Your comment is so vague that it’s not possible to know whether you are objecting to the number of Caucasian deaths I cited, or to my prediction of hundreds of Caucasian deaths eventually. I will assume the latter. In the four days since I cited 18 Caucasian deaths from the Johns Hopkins pandemic page, the number has risen to 55.

    Johns Hopkins page (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

    So conservatively assuming a doubling time of three days: 55, 110, 220, 440, etc. It seems my prediction will be correct within two weeks.

    • Replies: @Realist
  305. Bert says:
    @James Forrestal

    How is “closed to the public” not a description of Johns Hopkins putting the site behind a paywall?

    As part of my daily monitoring, I had tried to access the site and saw the paywall requirement myself just before I wrote the comment you are criticizing. That the paywall decision was reversed doesn’t erase the fact that the site was closed for a time, as shown by your Twitter thread.

    Referring to Welton’s cherry-picking of dubious sources as “Welton’s work,” sets a pitifully low standard for a columnist’s professionalism. As does pointing out that Welton is more coherent than Metallicman. Lol. You grade on a huge curve.

    My belief is that Welton needed a topic for an article, was out of ideas, and decided to go with a claim that a highly contagious and relatively lethal virus couldn’t kill Caucasians. Then when the speed of spread of the virus beyond China was not instantaneous, he doubled down on his irresponsibe assertation to get another article. All this without any concern about encouraging complacency among his coracialist brethren.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  306. Realist says:
    @Bert

    So conservatively assuming a doubling time of three days: 55, 110, 220, 440, etc. It seems my prediction will be correct within two weeks.

    No one can predict the future…with accuracy.

    • Replies: @Bert
  307. Realist says:
    @Bert

    reiner Tor’s comment seems nonsensical only to a person so innumerate that he doesn’t understand exponential growth.

    Only a fool predicts the future…only an idiot believes it.

  308. @Bert

    How is “closed to the public” not a description of Johns Hopkins putting the site behind a paywall?

    lol

    I was not claiming that your description of the Hopkins coronavirus site was unclear or incoherent in any way; merely pointing out that this assertion was patently false. As you could have easily determined yourself had you possessed the minimal agency required to look it up, rather than merely parroting others’ half-remembered false claims…

    Allow me to rephrase your moronic question in a more pertinent form:

    How is it it possible for “Bert” to have mastered the basics of grammar and spelling, yet remain so deeply cognitively crippled as to be incapable of comprehending that the Hopkins site — which he linked to himself after my post — is not paywalled and does not require a sign in?
    [Nor has it ever]

    Further information which you might find helpful — this is what’s known as a “hyperlink”:

    Johns Hopkins coronavirus map — open to the public, NOT behind a paywall, no membership required

    If you “click” on it, it will take you to the (non-paywalled, no membership required), Hopkins coronavirus map.

    You’re welcome.

    As part of my daily monitoring, I had tried to access the site and saw the paywall requirement myself just before I wrote the comment you are criticizing.

    Your pathetic failure to provide an archive (or even a screenshot) to support this obvious, blatant lie is duly noted.

    Sad!

    My belief is that…

    When Bert makes blatantly-false assertions due to a combination of ignorance, laziness, and excessive credulity, then doubles down on them when his lies are pointed out, people should still believe him anyway, because… narcissism.

    Uh huh.

    • Replies: @Bert
  309. Bert says:
    @James Forrestal

    LOL. Lordie Mercy, you have totally lost it. Or maybe you’re actually Lance Welton in drag. It’s funny either way.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  310. Bert says:
    @Realist

    Every day that I want to work I predict intraday turning points of NQ. I had to ignore more than a few naysayers like you so as to persevere until I developed the method that can do this. But it is a good thing that you are a Realist about the level of your own abilities.

  311. @Svevlad

    I am Indian and I have NO ill feelings about the Chinese people. As a matter of fact I admire tremendously what they have achieved. Besides the people you mention are American citizens and so nothing to do with India, except their origins and names.

  312. @Bert

    It’s not clear why you find your own low effort, blatant lies so amusing, but hey — whatever floats your boat. Some people are easily amused…

    Your continued pathetic inability to produce an archive (or even a screenshot) to support your clearly-false claim that the Hopkins site was ever paywalled is again noted.

  313. Full Documentation Rabbit hole: 12 part series: There is much you are not being told…………………………………..

    Subject: The origins of Wuhan coronavirus……………………Alternate theory.
    There are more countries in Asia other than China.

    Source: Yoichi Shimatsu is a Hong Kong-based freelance journalist, He is ‘Editor at Large’ at the 4th Media and former editor of The Japan Times Weekly in Tokyo and Pacific News Service in San Francisco. His uncle is Yoichi Hirama, Rear Admiral (Maritime Self-Defense Force:Navy/Retired 1988) Professor, Director of Library of National Defense Academy (Retired 1998). His family is part if the Samurai class. Read in this order:

    There were two major biological warfare attacks against central China.

    1. “African” swine fever that has destroyed more than half of China pig population and crossed over into a summer flu among Beijing residents. 2019

    2. Wuhan Coronavirus 2019-2020

    [MORE]

    Part 3: https://rense.com/general96/china-outbreak-part-3.php

    Part 4: https://rense.com//general96/japans-demon-of-biowar-kawaoka-inserted-hiv.php

    Part 5: https://rense.com//general96/the-ncov-death-ship-in-tokyo-bay-swine-flu-as-round-1-and-more.php

    Part 6: https://rense.com/general96/wuhan-ncov-proves-useful-for-a-malthusian-cull-of-aging-societies-part6.php

    Part 7: https://rense.com/general96/protect-your-family-from-covert-19-pharma-fraud-part7.php

    Part 8: https://rense.com/general96/covert-19-bats-in-the-belfry.php

    Part 9 https://rense.com/general96/hiv-laced-covid-19-targets-human-testicles.php

    Part 10 https://rense.com//general96/tb-in-hiv-cov-shuts-down-the-brain.php

    Part 11 https://rense.com/general96/lancets-disingenuous-rebuttal.php

    Part 12 https://rense.com/general96/how-cov-biowar-by-japan-uk-israel-hit-the-world-military-games-part-12.php

    Part 1: https://rense.com/general96/a-lethal-virus-erupts-downstream-from-chinas-three-gorges-dam.php

    Part 2: https://rense.com//general96/china-outbreak-part-2.php

    The original plan: The dilution of toxicity indicates the objective as being mild symptoms diagnosed as a case of food poisoning. On a massive scale, a food poisoning scandal would lead to the shut down of fisheries and aquaculture in a huge blow to national food security.

    However, what’s so amazing about the Wuhan coronavirus was its regeneration after being clipped of virulence-causing genes that intensify the pain of symptoms in its victims. nCov2019 somehow reconstructed alternative sequences to replace the lopped-off gene sequence

    This is exactly what occurred in early January when the Chinese government banned fishing and consumption of fish along the entire 6,300 km (3,900 miles) length of the Yangtze River.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3044376/china-bans-fishing-depleted-yangtze-river-10-years-protect

    What about the much-feared BSL-4 labs in Wuhan? It’s sad, really, that the Potemkin laboratories are a total sham for pilfering funds and kickbacks from construction and equipment budgets, hollow spaces devoid of any recruits from the higher salaried microbiologists and lab technicians working for major pharmaceuticals, Chinese drug corporations and venture-capital funded biotech start-ups in Shenzhen and Hong Kong or overseas. Higher salaries abroad explain why so many Chinese researchers are not at Wuhan but instead doing the drudgery inside biomedical research laboratories in Shenzhen-Hong Kong, the USA, Canada, UK, Europe and Southeast Asia.

  314. Three weeks after this article was written, let us put the no non-Asian deaths from coronavirus canard to rest once and for all. Today, March 8, 2020, 02:00 GMT, total cases of coronavirus in Italy and South Korea are virtually identical: 7375 and 7382. The deaths are not. 366 deaths in Italy and 50 deaths in South Korea. Mortality rate in Italy stands at 5%, in South Korea it is less than 1%. I can’t explain the difference, I only note it.

  315. sally says:
    @Sean

    Why the hell has not the entire genomic composition of this virus been published everywhere? Each lab by now should have already in its possession the genetic composition and gene orders.. a genetic map. It should be a reasonably simple process to determine if the virus is engineered or targeted for infection or not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR .

    the claim is made =>”..the contagion began when some mutated viral disease strain jumped from ..non human to human ..in the precincts of Wuhan’s open-air traditional food market where bats, snakes, cats, raccoons, fish, possums and the like can be bought and sold. “<= Wuhan is a place , that allows plausible deniability?

    Think=> humans have been sorted into one of 206 different nation states; within each nation state, the humans are controlled by an array of virtual buttons which allow the mobster to order the controllers of the nation state to manipulate “the set of variables” that determine human experience. This means the nation state differentiates its humans.

    Governors divide the governed. They divide the governed by polarizing and separating the governed into opposed groups. <=the voting power of the masses is reduced to net nothing (20 negatives+20 positives = 0). The governed are manipulated into fearing and hating the humans in the other nation states so that the manipulated humans become tools of war.

    Human can be differentiated by experience. [<= it is this dynamic that allows the most greedy persons and most devious minds to control]; meaning the mental state of each human is an engineered result of each person's gene array modified by a controlled set of human experiences <mobsters direct the nation states puppets; the puppets control the governed.

    I developed a memory mnemonic =>C. E. Leper, Jr. <=to help people remember the variables that allow those in control to arrange and to provide for the human experiences which differentiate container-confined humans <= container confined humans are separated by the poles of binaries (abortion/no abortion, guns/no guns, socialism/capitalism, etc.) into opposed groups so that they cannot organize a coordinated vote. that is the votes of one group cancels the votes of the other group, making voting outcome easy to manipulate. Also, nation state-confined humans are given experiences that generate hate for, or fear of, the humans in the other nation state containers. [<=Hence the virus? ]

    Behavior and belief are functions of experience.. and experience shapes the character, establishes the relative feeling of security and defines the behaviors allowed to, or expected of, each human person.

    The nation state is a structure capable to enable those in charge to manipulate <=the C. E. Leper, Jr. set of variables. Manipulate these variables to keep the masses behaviorally and emotionally contained? The nation state structure allows those in charge to establish the systems and arrange the experiences that humans are exposed to. It is that arrangement of experience which brings each of us to our current mental state of mind.

    C. E. Leper, Jr. is a meaningless but I hope helpful mnemonic. It was designed to help remember in order a set of variables that allows human behavior, human emotion, and human belief to be manipulated.

    Set of controllable variables used by those in charge to manipulate behavior and belief.
    C. E. Leper, Jr. <=meaningless mnemonic, but useful to remember and to standardize the order..
    | || | | | | | | | race
    | || | | | | | | jobs
    | || | | | | | religion
    | || | | | | economics
    | || | | | propaganda
    | || | | entertainment
    | || | law
    | | education
    | culture

    Each person is a gene product of their genetic composition, but after birth, we each become the behavioral and emotional product of our experiences. Experience makes us each an emotional and behaviorally differentiated product. The nation state system is designed to control our thoughts, our behaviors, and our willingness to do something about our condition because it design allows our leaders to control our experiences. The meaning of this is that when government is conducted in secret, human thought, human belief and human emotion are in manipulate mode and the quality and morality of the human product becomes highly dependent upon the mobsters in charge.

    In this new virus, we see threat being raised between the humans of one genetic kind by the humans of all other genetic kind. This comes at a time when all bets are off, in containing China. So it is prudent to ask, if the viral nature or genetic target of this virus was or is a genetically engineered quantity, or if a natural virus was introduced into some animal in order to vector the virus into selected portions of our global humanity? It is urgent to the survival of mankind to discover if this is a 9/11 type event or not.

  316. Kingfelix says:

    The most wrong article ever published. The author should do the decent thing and kill themselves, we’ll list the death as from corona virus to spare him any more embarrassment.

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