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Earlier by Ann Coulter: “I Will Not Be Scienced”—Experts Wrong, Covid Could Have Come From Wuhan Lab After All

The sudden dramatic collapse of the elite-enforced Narrative that Covid-19 could not possibly have originated in a Chinese laboratory is one of the most extraordinary developments in modern political history [That Didn’t Age Well: Wuhan Propaganda From MSM Laid Bare, by Tyler Durden, ZeroHedge, May 27, 2021]. Equally dramatic but much less well-known: the earlier collapse of the elite Narrative that, in the words of CNN Medical Talking Head Dr. Sanjay Gupta [Tweet him] Covid-19 “doesn’t discriminate based on race. We must learn three chilling lessons from this scandal: (1) The authorities cannot trusted; (2) The “Main Stream” media is only “mainstream” because of the extent to which it will limit its questioning of these authorities; (3) Only trusted members of the Ruling Class may question the authorities.

I have a personal stake in this. In February 2020, VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow killed a column I wrote about the evidence that Covid-19 originated in a laboratory and speculating that it might have been a bioweapon. Brimelow’s motive was frankly fear: Silicon Valley’s Tech Totalitarians were on the rampage against any deviationism, especially from the elite-enforced line that Covid-19 originated naturally. Twitter had just banned the huge ZeroHedge account for running a story about Covid’s possible lab origin [Twitter bans Zero Hedge after it posts coronavirus conspiracy theory, by Kate Gibson, CBS News, February 3, 2020].. (ZeroHedge was subsequently mysteriously restored). Facebook had just banned VDARE.com for obviously fallacious reasons, part of its campaign to defeat Donald Trump. Brimelow just didn’t want to take the risk, especially since the origins of the disease was not central to VDARE.com Immigration Disaster/ National Question focus.

But I was denied a scoop.

When Covid-19 began to become a major news issue in early 2020, nobody really knew what was going on. All that we could do was speculate intelligently, based on the available evidence (which of course did not include data about racial incidence, suppressed by our race-denying Ruling Class).

I must confess that I made the mistake at first of thinking that, as with previous outbreaks of similar diseases like SARS and MERS, Covid-19 would be unlikely to have much an impact outside East Asia. That was a reasonable hypothesis. But it was not correct.

And I, like everybody else who wrote about Covid, was under the impression that it was a “fact” that Covid had started in a Chinese market. It definitely hadn’t leaked from a Chinese lab that experiments with creating dangerous diseases. There was no way that could so, because the authorities told us that it was wild, absurd conspiracy theory.

Of course, that was apparently not correct either. It now seems that “authorities”—such as Dr Anthony Fauci and the entire Ruling Class—were wrong in asserting as indisputable fact that the virus came from a Chinese “wet market” and definitely did not leak from a Wuhan laboratory. And wrong again in the way they acted upon their certainty,

Remember, when the lab theory came to light, it had to be condemned by all right-thinking people. As Stephen L. Miller has written in The Spectator, it was a denounced as a “nut-job idea…first portrayed as a hare-brained wild and tacitly racist conspiracy theory driven by paranoid Republican senators and fever-dream right-wing media” [Don’t let the media get away with U-turning on the lab leak theory, May 24, 2021]. It was utterly condemned in the pages of the leading medical journal The Lancet, where a group of senior scientists proclaimed that they , “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife” [Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19, by Charles Calisher et al., February 19, 2020]. The following month, in the journal Nature Medicine, another group of scientists claimed: “It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 [the latest name for Covid-19) emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus” [The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2, by Kristian Anderson et al., March 17, 2020].

In the panic of the time, with people confronted with the possibility of a serious plague, they craved certainty. And here they were being offered it by pillars of the Medical Establishment. Only “nut jobs” and “Far Right” types, were going to question this, obviously.

This is because, as is surely clear now that we are cancelling mathematics as “racist” [Reality check: mathematics is not racist, by Mark Ronan, The Critic, March 21, 2021], “Far Right” increasingly means anybody of genuinely questioning disposition…anybody who is prepared to put facts and logic over emotion.

“Fact Checks” by Leftist news organs were unambiguous that the “lab theory” was complete nonsense; dangerous nonsense at that. Now, they’ve had a conversion to the new Party line, such that it is “suddenly credible” [Ted Cruz mocks Washington Post as ‘clowns’ after fact-check declares Wuhan lab leak theory ‘suddenly’ credible, by David Rutz, Fox News, May 25, 2021].

And of course Facebook and YouTube banned users from mentioning the theory—and, incredibly, were still doing so three days ago[Why does Facebook still ban users from saying Covid was man-made even as Dr Fauci casts doubt on virus origins? And Italian journalist is censored by YouTube for claiming it was created in Wuhan lab, by Chris Pleasance, Mail Online, May 24, 2021]. They reversed course as of May 26, 2021 at 3:30PM PT:, but you can still see their earlier ban on about.fb.com:

In many ways, how this change of mind took place is even more frightening.

It appears to me that there were two factors involved. Firstly, it gradually became clearer to people, especially scientists, that there was too much about the Narrative that didn’t make sense. And secondly, the science journalist Nicholas Wade went public, at the beginning of May, with a very detailed article in which he persuasively argued that a lab leak was the best theory and in which he highlighted the gaping holes in the earlier “fact checked facts” [The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan? by Nicholas Wade, The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, May 5, 2021].

Wade’s essay was so cogent, that it was very difficult for people to argue with it. However, the Regime Media is now asserting the “sudden” new facts based on the same kind of appeal to authority as they had previously.

Nicholas Wade has an important niche for himself as being just about part of the “Ruling Class,” having spent 30 years on the staff of the New York Times. His 2014 book on the ever-“controversial” issue of race, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, managed to tread that all-important fine line between the science and accepting Multiculturalist dogmas. Thus, the book was, on the one hand, denounced by many ideologue scientists as “racist” but, on the other, positively reviewed in The Wall Street Journal [by Charles Murray, May 2, 2014 ] and other respectable journals.

And it appears that due to Wade being just about part of the Ruling Class, he has been able to get away with his “medical misinformation” because, as the Regime Media reason and even Left-wing scientists reason, he’s just about “on our side” so we are prepared to listen to him, in a way that we would not to a scientist who was more of an outsider.

Thus, the Overton Window has shifted and Main Stream Media as well as the mainstream scientific authorities are shown up as what they are: people who are obsessed with power, control and the spreading of Leftist ideology; because, after all, the lab theory was “racist.”

Now, what about the idea, still unacceptable, that Covid-19 was deliberately leaked, a kind of biological warfare? Or that, even if it leaked accidently, it was originally developed as part of a biological warfare program?

The Regime Media will still condemn this as absolutely wrong and unsayable.

They must not be allowed to get away with it again.

Lance Welton [email him] is the pen name of a freelance journalist living in New York.

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  1. Re: Covid, American democracy, Israel, etc.

    The genie has not only left the bottle, it’s taken a sledgehammer to it.

  2. Rooster11 says:

    If the MSM is now admitting that the virus could have been leaked from the Wuhan lab, my only question is: what are they really trying to hide?!

  3. LOL. Of course, they were not ‘wrong’. They knew but lied. It’s like Russia Collusion BS. They knew it was bogus but they lied. When all the top institutions and industries are ruled by Jews who look upon goyim as cattle than as fellow humans, the media and academia are all about ‘by any means necessary to boost Jewish Power’. There are no principles. Just tribal power.

    Nick Fuentes names the power and warns of the Honkocaust.

    https://tv.gab.com/channel/a/view/i-want-america-to-be-put-60b02d6113d9e2ebf6896dbb

    Only humanist-fascism or humano-fascism can save the white race and the West.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @frontier
  4. I did not know that the rabidly anti-China fringe conspiracy site Zerohedge was a good source for anything related to China. How many human pathogens originated from a lab, and how many from nature? The answer will immediately put Wade’s claim that both are equally plausible into doubt, not to mention that Wade’s “furin cleavage theory” rests on shaky ground. Even NYT admits that the lab leak theory is unlikely, and natural selection is the more plausible origin:

    Many scientists welcomed President Biden’s call for a more rigorous investigation of a virus lab in Wuhan, China, though they said the so-called lab leak theory was still unlikely.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/health/wuhan-coronavirus-lab-leak.html

    Natural selection in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 in bats created a generalist virus and highly capable human pathogen

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3001115

  5. Barcelona March 2019 –in sewer water —-Italy September 2019 in blood samples Covid 19 –then 10 year old boy in Milan with case of Covid -19 in November 2019—Wuhan covid was not at wet mark but closer to Milatary Games site at a place where furs are dressed —mink ???

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  6. bayviking says:

    Unz’s theory is more consistent with the documented history of the CIA. Whether it is true or not in this case will remain a State Secret. What we do know is that if it was another biological attack by the United States it was ineffective against China and Cuba and cruelly effective against Iran and Venezuela. The horrendous collateral damage around the world, including at home, was magnified by Trump’s indifference and incompetence. But the USA can never admit this, even if it is the truth.

    • Troll: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Emslander
  7. Dumbo says:

    Isn’t Lance Welton the same guy that was saying that the virus only attacked Asians, or something like that? Ok, I see at least he admits he was wrong on that.

    Anyway, I don’t think that the “elite” is denying that it leaked out of a Chinese lab, in fact, I think they are promoting this line now, to create a (fake?) conflict with China.

    I doubt it was an accidental leak. It was created on purpose, probably by the Americans and the Chinese together, or maybe by Israel.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Realist
  8. @last straw

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3001115

    The above article was mentioned in Wade’s article.

    The following is also from the NYT article:

    Early appearance of two distinct genomic lineages of SARS-CoV-2 in different Wuhan wildlife markets suggests SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin

    https://virological.org/t/early-appearance-of-two-distinct-genomic-lineages-of-sars-cov-2-in-different-wuhan-wildlife-markets-suggests-sars-cov-2-has-a-natural-origin/691

    Also from the NYT article:

    While scientists have fairly good evidence for how two coronaviruses — the cause of SARS and MERS — jumped from bats to humans, the origins of the other four coronaviruses that infect humans remain a mystery.

    So out of 6 coronovirus that infect humans, only 2 have clear origins. Therefore, the fact that the origin and intermediate hosts of SARS-CoV-2 have not been identified yet is not some concrete evidence of lab leak as Wade suggests.

  9. Alfred says:

    Martin Armstrong knows more about what is going on the US stock markets than anyone else. When he says that Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum sold their shares in late 2019, he should be taken seriously. When he says that the same actors tried to make a stock market crash in March 2020, he should be believed. His computer model forecast that this attempt to crash the market would fail – it was correct.

    While Babylon Bee just did a roast of the lovable Dr. Fauci who keeps changing his recommendations and claims almost on a weekly basis, has suddenly said he does not believe that COVID is natural. Hm. I seriously question what is going on now. I have written about how I KNOW that a warning came from those in the know that a “virus was coming” and that Gates began selling stock in December 2019 and Klaus Schwab sold his positions even for the World Economic Forum also ahead of the crash in Jan/Feb 2020.

    Dr Fauci the Politician and Stooge of the WEF (Armstrong Economics)

  10. Bow and Wow . . . we’ll give ’em a good howling, maybe even shame them !

    When Descartes’ hounds become deaf and truth falls in the street, does it still make a sound ?

  11. Mr. Allen says: • Website

    Scary. Author of this article and Nicolas Wade are falling (perhaps purposely) into the hands of those trying to manufacture a false scientific consent to start wars. They are clearly politically not scientifically motivated.

    I personally buy the lab theory mainly because we don’t find intermediates in nature.

    But it is a political move to then focus on Wuhan when the search should be worldwide.

    Wade’s last few words should also send shudder into your spine.

    The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.

    And then let the reckoning begin.

    Let the reckoning begin.

    Is this really about science or politics? If we have a lab leak somewhere, shouldn’t we work together to make it less likely in the future instead of setting up for retribution?

    Is this the crusade all over again?

  12. The last line “They must not be allowed to get away with this again”
    is …racist.
    It is their God given right to do whatever THEY want.Freedom!

  13. I think we might be missing the point of this move.

    It is designed just to make more people get the vax. If the disease were simply a natural one, like a flu or a cold, anti-vaxxers will be strengthened in their views. But if it can be ‘shown’ or presented that the disease is a lab-made monstrosity that cannot be fought naturally, well line up here for your shots!

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  14. Alfred says:

    Back in April 2020, the French discoverer of the HIV virus (the American stole a sample he sent) claimed that the Covid-19 virus was concocted in a laboratory. He believed that it was made in an attempt to create a vaccine against HIV – he does not believe that humans can be so evil as to deliberately release it. 🙂

    Here is an article from that time that tried, like so many others, to claims that this scientist was unhinged. They pretended that any scientist who does not conform to their norms is somewhat unreliable and “controversial”. But real science depends entirely on new, controversial, ground-breaking discoveries and hypothesis.

    A controversial French Nobel prize-winning scientist has accused biologists of having created SARS-CoV-2 – the virus that causes Covid-19 – in a lab, but the wider scientific community has so far refuted the claim.

    French Nobel prize winner: ‘Covid-19 made in lab’

    • Agree: frontier
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  15. ebear says:

    Two layers of the Onion down. Several more to go.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  16. Schuetze says:

    Perhaps it is not so obvious in myopic America, but one of the most amazing characteristics of this “pandemic” was the way in which the entire planetary media have all been singing from the same sheet of music. Whenever any state, or state media, deviates from the choreograph, they are slapped down with the sudden appearance of a new “strain”, “cluster” or some kind of economic or natural disaster.

    The vocabulary of the Pandemic is also indicative of its man made origin. With every turn, new weaponized vocabulary is basted across the planetary internets and MSM. Here are some of my favorites: “Long Hauler”, “Break Through Virus”, “Cluster”.

    In Europe one of the first victims of the pandemic was the hard fought for Schengen Accord. For some reason within the a space of a few weeks every country in Europe had closed their borders to private traffic and tourism. Now Europeans are told that if they want to be able to travel and vacation again that they will have to take the jab and get a bio-metric DNA passport.

    The synchronized planetary experimental mRNA vaccine push is also very suspicious, as is the way that all mention or marketing of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine were banned all across the west.

    Of course most crass of all was the blanket censorship of social media across the entire planet, and the pushing of blatantly fake narratives about all kinds of things like lockdowns, masking, asymptomatic transfer, etc.

    That many of the main propaganda agents have been caught lying and deceiving over and over, yet somehow have been shielded from any kind of scrutiny is another indicator that something very nefarious is at foot, not just within national borders, but internationally.

    It is inescapable but that the entire pandemic has been orchestrated and directed by some evil force. Any thinking sentient being must be asking themselves who could it possibly be that could wield this much power.

    Any semitically aware person connecting the dots and following the bread crumbs can only come to one conclusion: Covid is the jew-flu.

  17. Refl says:

    Now, can anyone enlighten ne, because I really don’t understand…
    I am a dedicated corona-denier from the earliest days of the pan/plan/scamdemic and I have never shifted my opinion, because having whitnessed the earlier swine/bird flu scam and similar idiocies, I by no means could take this one serious. Regardless of details that are to complicated for this small brain of mine: the mortality is low, has always been low and by no means justifies the measures taken. In fact, one has to ask, how bad it would have to be to justify any of what is happening. This all bears the marks of a gigantic psyop.

    If I were to accept the bioweapon/lab leak story, I would have to accept that the virus is a real danger, which it is not. I take this story to be just another layer in the game of smoke screens to have us all scared and make us fight over non-issues, instead of calling out the big lie.

    Mr. Unz just the other day went mad at a comment of mine under his latest American Pravda piece. I am invited to deny the holocaust, blame the Zionists for any crime thinkable, but corona-denial is a deadly sin.

    Can anyone enlighten me, why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop??

  18. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Would the author of this screed please investigate why Fort Dietrich was closed due to a leak in 2019?
    Would the author also like to speculate why the virus is far more virulent against East Asians and Iranians?

  19. They are wrong on just about everything. Paul Ryan, RINO par excellance, has emereged from under his rock again to “blast” Trump, claiming that he is keeping the Republican party from its principals. What principals would those be—folding against the left and far left demented democratic party, as the RINO’s did constantly when Paul Ryan was speaker. If the conservative party doesn’t lose morons like Paul Ryan, Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell and around 30 other Rino’s, they may as well hand control of the U.S. over to the communist left, with Pelosi, Schumer and the Squad, calling the shots . The Republican party is beyond redemption with the RINO’s constantly plaguing it.

    • Replies: @Realist
  20. I continue to believe C19 was a CIA operation to take down Trump and implement a NWO resist. The writing was on the wailing wall long before it’s final release. Were the Chicoms complicit, of course they were. They had everything to gain by allowing the Illegitimate Biden Regime to gain control and everyone in deepstate woke world would live happily ever after.
    Follow the money and ye shall find the culprits.

    • Replies: @Charles Carroll
  21. It was established very early on that the SARS CoV2 virus is a chimera between one of the well-known bat viruses and a pangolin virus, with the insertion of a base sequence coding for a furin cleavage zone making it more transmissible. So it IS lab-made, and the lab is almost certainly a US or Israeli one, possibly at AMRIID at Fort Detrick.
    When it did not destroy the Chinese economy, and spread back to the US, (or was already there after a leak from Detrick that caused its closure in July 2019)the psychopathic thugs who rule the USA needed to shut down ANY mention of the US bio-warfare establishment (over 200 labs, that we know of, spread around the world)and blame the Evil ChiComms. To do so you require a media full of ideologically reliable, dullard ignoramuses with the moral sense of a rabid wolverine. The Western fakestream media presstitutes fit the bill perfectly.
    Coming after the Evil and entirely false accusations of ‘genocide’ in Xinjiang, and the several other bio-warfare attacks on China in recent years (none mentioned by the presstitute vermin)this latest frenzy of raw racist hatred portends ill for all in the very near future. I always thought this would be the solution to the Fermi Paradox, that the Evil members of any ‘sapient’ species would destroy themselves and the rest in a frenzy of aggressive wickedness and murderousness, and here we are.

  22. Since when did Farcebook/Twatter (not to mention msm) become the arbiter of what is true and factual ? These fatuous entities only have the power you give them.

    Stop using/accessing them and they will wither away.

  23. Rahan says:

    Next: “We always warned you that the vax is dangerous” they will suddenly say half a year from now.

  24. GeeBee says:

    Now, what about the idea, still unacceptable, that Covid-19 was deliberately leaked, a kind of biological warfare?

    Alas, you left the most crucial question unasked. You should have put the supplementary question “and by whom?” at the end of that sentence. Moreover, as it is more or less obvious that for China to have deliberately released it into their own country would be an act of lunacy, whereas for the crumbling Zio-hegemonon to have committed such a cowardly and evil act would have been in its interests, there is little doubt as to the correct answer to that sadly missing question.

  25. gotmituns says:

    I didn’t believe a word of this BS from the start. Now they’re blatantly trying to bribe people to get their lousy untested shot. We live in a world of lies, lies, lies and more lies.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  26. The “deliberately leaked” doesn’t sound very likely simply because the virus first appeared in China. If it was deliberately leaked by the Chinese government then it more likely would have appeared in Mexico first and then spread north to Texas. Leaking a virus which has not been part of any previous epidemic always carries a lot of doubt as to how severe it really will be. Although CV-19 will probably be eventually remembered as another version of the flu, there was a chance in the early days that it might have caused a full-scale shut-down of the Chinese economy. It’s hard to believe that the Chinese government would have been so a priori confident about the limited nature of the new virus that they would willfully release among their own populace and just hope that it eventually reaches the USA. More likely would be to release in northern Mexico and then shut their Chinese borders to keep it out of their own country.

    None of the above contradicts the idea that the virus may have been developed in a Chinese lab and then released into the Chinese population through carelessness. It just doesn’t make sense that the release of the virus was done as a well-calibrated strategy. Even though the official numbers of Chinese fatalities from CV-19 are very low, there is evidence that the true numbers might be higher. More importantly, the potential impact of releasing a new virus would be so unpredictable that it’s not likely the Chinese government took such a deliberate risk. Government incompetence would be a better explanation.

  27. Vojkan says:

    I’ve had the corona-flu. My 76-year old mother had the corona-flu. A friend of mine had the corona-flu. Though neither my mother or I did a PCR-test or went to see a doctor, she and my friend, who officially had it, had exactly the same symptoms and exactly the same after-effects. That’s the reason why I concluded that my mother and I didn’t catch the ordinary flu. My symptoms were very dissimilar to theirs and I don’t have any noticeable after-effects. We’ve all had it at the same time, starting from the second week of April until the end of the month. A mutual friend, who was the same age as my mother, died of it at the end of last year but she was treated by doctors.

    My point is that nature doesn’t produce viruses that cause “personalised” symptoms.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  28. Patric says:

    What we have now is two ‘competing’ theories about the origins of Covid-19………….and both are classic mis-direction. They BOTH bolster the idea of a ‘dangerous virus that originated in China’ just argue about the specifics.

    The truth is simpler and has nothing to do with a ‘virus’. This covid story is pure hoax, pure propaganda whatever word you want to use. Why else all the dis-honesty is pumping and exaggerated numbers?. WHAT are they trying to convince us in spite of our normal observations that there is no pandemic. They are trying to convince us there is a dangerous virus on the loose, clearly there is not

    I am getting a bit weary of Unz review for being such a magnet for these kind of PSY-OPS. It seems Ron Unz may have freed himself from one ‘holohoax’ only to fall into another one. The lure of massive suffering and death seems to demand an outlet. With the death of the holohoax a new religion has to take it’s place.

  29. Ross23 says:

    Our great overlords have decreed that we can talk about the origins of covid oh thank you masters.

    What a load of crap

    How about an open discussion on what’s going in these vaccines why 4000 have officially died after taking them and potential long term health implications.

    Then maybe why overall death rate has barely changed in 20 year stats. This is confirmed from funeral homes too who haven’t seen any significant rise in work (see link)

    https://hugotalks.com/2021/05/26/lady-calls-funeral-homes-about-covid-deaths-hugo-talks-lockdown/

    • Agree: St-Germain
  30. Not a big fan of conspiracy theories, especially when written by pretenders. For now at least, I prefer to go with the well researched piece by Ron Unz.

  31. tyrone says:

    RIGHT!!!….bought and paid for by FAUCI! and used as a bio-weapon by the globalist elites and the CCP to bring down Trump.

  32. On May 25th, 1787, a group of 55 men gathered for a closed meeting in Philadelphia. Officially, it was being convened to discuss alterations to the then constitution of the United States of America: the Articles of Confederation. Some state legislatures had authorized their representatives to attend the meeting only on this basis, explicitly prohibiting them from considering a new constitution. To make certain that the general public did not find out about the nature of this conspiracy, the convention members swore an oath not to discuss any proceedings with the public…for the rest of their lives. The only first-hand accounts of the proceedings were published several years later after the death of the last survivor, James Madison, in 1836. The press was forbidden to attend. The meetings were held on the second floor of the building, so that would-be eavesdroppers could not hear anything. The new constitution would become the law of the land whenever nine state conventions ratified it. This was in explicit violation of the Articles, which required a unanimous vote for amendments. Thus did a group of men launch a coup-d’etat. This coup established a new national covenant in 1788, a covenant stripped of the Articles’ invocation of God, “The Great Governor of the World,” with only the old country’s name transferred for public relations’ sake: the United States of America. Today, we would call this a trademark violation. But it worked:

    CONSPIRACY IN PHILADELPHIA – Gary North
    https://www.garynorth.com/conspiracyinphiladelphia.pdf

    53 Admitted False Flag Attacks – Global Research
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931

  33. The scary part of their glistening incompetence was turning dissenting science, much of which could have saved lives, into, somehow, rightwing support for Trump. The strident censoring of dissenting scientific thought critiquing the WHO, Fauci, the FDA, and the CDC, by the Establishment Know Nothings meant we went a year with no accepted treatments for Covid-19, while waiting for vaccines, which MAY BE life-saving for the Vulnerable (95% of Covid-19 deaths are over age 60, the other 5% of deaths have serious underlying medical conditions), but are no silver bullet for the young and healthy and children, at no major risk from the virus.

    [MORE]

    The obvious example was forbidding the use of glucocorticoids, standard of care in veterinary medicine for any serious respiratory infection. Chinese immunologists published on-line March 25 2020 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102614/, that acute glucocorticoid therapy saved lives in serious Covid-19 cases. Probably to publish, they threw in the caveat that the WHO disagreed with using glucocorticoids in serious Covid-19 cases. The Chinese immunologists’ reasoning was simple; a form of cytokine storm was responsible for serious cases, NOT the virus itself. They tried a host of other compounds with milder immune suppressive efficacy (including the much reviled hydroxychloroquine, a very safe compound at therapeutic doses, but which takes months to have effects on lupus and arthritis, thus only useful in long-term prophylaxis for Covid-19). The Brits “discovered” glucocorticoids were “curative” in midJune 2020, and it remains the ONLY effective treatment in serious Covid-19 cases (although expensive treatments like remdesivir and antibodies have been approved by the FDA, their efficacies are less than glucocorticoids; like vaccines which are useless once infected, the FDA-approved treatments for Covid-19, and HCQ, are similarly ineffective in advanced, hospitalized cases. Glucocorticoids were not used much during the April 2020 fiasco of NYC epicenter Covid-19 deaths; conservatively at least a third of those deaths could have easily been prevented. Kawasaki’s treatment of children with over-reacting immune systems to respiratory viruses (glucocorticoids to dampen the immune response, aspirin to block clotting and pain, and/or immunoglobulins as a non-specific antiviral) developed in the 1970s would have been a good first step in handling Covid-19 (MIS-C is essentially just a form of Kawasaki’s Syndrome, immune reactions to many respiratory viruses).

    There were MANY observational studies globally; no one but drug companies and government can afford double blinded, placebo-controlled, large “gold standard” clinical trials. (However suddenly observational studies are considered adequate for vaccine studies?) Elderly (the most vulnerable group) are invariably deficient in nutrients. Vitamin D3 deficiency (common in Western countries) was associated with a 10-fold increase in Covid-19 deaths, similar studies identified other nutrients where boosting levels could have minimized deaths. Prophylaxis, first with long-term HCQ, then with Ivermectin gave positive results. Instead we DID NOTHING, waiting for vaccines. This no doubt contributed to the horrific Covid-19 death rates in the West relative to “backwards” Asian and third-world countries.

    There will be breakthrough cases in the vaccinated (the CDC has departed from logging every PCR confirmed Covid-19 case which were “critical” before; saying only hospitalized breakthrough cases and deaths will be considered). Obviously parallel pharmacological treatments (glucocorticoids for serious cases, prophylaxis for those who might not survive breakthrough) should have been developed (there should have been more FLCCC-like groups repurposing drugs– such as fluvoxamine, colchicine, famotidine, and multi-combinations of compounds with mild efficacy but different mechanisms of action– as alternative treatments to vaccines). A modicum of competence from our politicized medical Establishment (including the use of ventilators) probably could have saved tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of lives in America, and globally).

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  34. A heartening development but based on my interactions I truly believe that some kind of MK Ultra mind-phuck has been played on the general public. Intelligent and otherwise well-informed people that I know take on the vacant six mile stare when you present them with irrefutable facts that contradict the approved narrative on Covid.

  35. BorisMay says:

    I don’t really understand the point of this article.

    What does it matter where the origins of the coronavirus scam were? Or even whether it was intended as a weapon (which is more than likely as a US weapon) as it manifested in both China and Iran almost simultaneously resulting in deaths in both nations.

    There is no ruling class, but as the FSB suggested, there are a number of ruling families that perpetually vie for power throughout time and nations.

    The Lee family in China, the Rothschilds in Israel and Europe, the Rockerfeller family in the US, the Warburg family, and various others have been becoming top dog before slipping in to a lower echelon as times and business changes.

    This has been going on for at least the last 3,500 years and probably for hundreds of thousands of years, while the people have gyrated from slavery through to serfdom and back again in perpetuity.

    If you believe the Establishment history of ‘out of Africa’ and that the first civilisation was in Sumer, you have been brainwashed and have to be red pilled.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  36. The more of a bipartisan consensus there is on something among the D.C. cockroaches, the more likely it is to be false. My guess is that they have decided to go with the lab story because strong evidence was about to emerge that the СІА or other elements of the US government deliberately released the virus in Wuhan, most likely during the military olympics in 2019. This way they can yell, “That’s a crazy conspiracy theory! Everyone knows it leaked from a lab!”

  37. Conspiracy theories are mostly that, conspiracy theories. But when so poorly written like this one, they become conspiracy bullshit. Meanwhile, I will stick with the well-researched piece by Ron Unz until something close to definitive proof on the origins of Covid comes along. And if it does, it had better not come from US “intelligence sources”. We all know what the outcome will be: Chinese Bioweapons of Mass Distraction.

  38. dearieme says:

    What Else Are They Wrong About?

    Almost everything. Clueless or bent? Both, probably.

  39. onebornfree says: • Website

    “We must learn three chilling lessons from this scandal: (1) The authorities cannot trusted;”

    Well, “duh”!

    On the true, fundamental nature of all governments,this “just” in :

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    Therefore– a simple rule for a better life: never EVER believe anything lying governments [and their lying sycophants, the MSM],tell you.

    “My first rule- I don’t believe anything the government tells me- nothing!- ZERO!” George Carlin

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @theMann
    , @TKK
  40. So, are we not going to talk about Dr Charles Lieber in all of this? No mention of the World Military Games?No mention of the Michigan “vape deaths” in late 2019?

  41. anonymous[228] • Disclaimer says:

    You were horribly wrong about Covid-19. You should apologize to readers.

  42. Since the taboo against a lab origin theory for the virus has been lifted, the Ron Unz “US biowarfare” hypothesis cannot be discarded out of hand. It will more easily seep through the cracks.

    The “Biden” govt and MSM have opened a pandora’s box. It is now allowed to argue for theories that support a “made in a lab” alternative. So they will have to desperately suppress any other explanation than the Wuhan lab story.

    Fetching popcorn.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  43. John Hagan says: • Website

    Most crime needs a motive and the same applies here.
    Who stood to gain should the virus leak from a lab or be released otherwise in mainland China? Who are the main supporters and purveryors of biological weapons and have devoted much funding in that direction over the years?
    When I examine motive I see only one answer.
    That this operation was a miscaculation and the fallout was not expected.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  44. What else is ruling class wrong about?

    Immigration– yes that is right Ronnie Unz… You are wrong too, schmuck
    Modern Monetary Theory– Yes Spend Your Way to Prosperity!
    Endless Wars
    Racial Identity Politics
    Extolling the Virtues of Deviant Sexuality
    Exporting Entire Industries

    What are they right about these days and it gets worse… Oh they are right about it for their own wealth and privilege… but they or should we say ((they)) are killing the host…

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  45. Those so proud of themselves for realizing the Lyin’ Press is wrong lots of the time, whether due to stupidity or evil, ought to back up a bit and see who is still being duped. The origins of the Flu Manchu* are not as important as the PanicFest induced by it. Whether a real plan was made, or whether this was just “not letting a crisis go to waste” (I lean toward the latter), this serious virus, but no kind of Black Death 2.0, was used to implement a larger Police State in the US and more Orwellian control in China. That’s the real story here.

    Regarding the origins, since that’s the topic here. common sense prevails. I admit I have no knowledge of virology, so the escape from the lab theory and the mutated from tasty bats theory sounded equally plausible to me back in Spring of last year. However, I didn’t care that much. Why? Because it’s the PanicFest that is the story!

    That Wuhan lab worked at level 2 and sometimes 3 on a project that was very dangerous, requiring BSL-4. Quality is not “Job 1” in China. The labs (there are more than one per my reading) are in Wuhan, and that’s where the virus spread first. Duh.

    .

    * Thank you so much, Allan Wall (of VDare) for this term!

  46. Anon62 says:

    First there was a mass hysteria asserting it is impolite, improper, and unacceptable to blame a Wuhan laboratory for COVID.

    Now there is an emergent mass hysteria asserting it is impolite, improper, unacceptable to ignore blaming a Wuhan laboratory for COVID.

    Too bad about the facts. Hysteria is the preferred response. Calm deliberation, and a careful examination of the available evidence, is no longer acceptable if it gets in the way of hysterical response.

    Some curious facts are these:

    Participants in the military games held in Wuhan prior to the COVID outbreak became sick. A US military participant was reported to have been hospitalized with a “flue” as were members of the French military contingent. Reporting of these illnesses appears to have been suppressed. In fact, a Google search for the participant national contingents in the Wuhan military games gives zero results. It is as if these games never happened and no one attended.

    A Taiwanese study undertaken early in the outbreak identified 5 haplotypes of COVID to be circulating in the US. China and EU locations only demonstrated a single outbreak. A haplotype is a genetic variation on the original. The report of 5 haplotypes occurring in the US suggests the virus was present and circulating in the US long before it spread globally.

    One “feature” of COVID is that it attacks specific receptors in the lungs. Asian populations have five times more of these receptors than non-Asian populations. They are therefore more likely to suffer serious effects from COVID. The question needs to be asked why a Chinese lab would be engaged in the creation of a virus bio-weapon which would have greatest negative impact on the population of China and lesser impact on other global populations?

    Persons with COVID shed the virus in their fecal matter. Water treatment plants monitor intake source water and preserve these water samples as part of their quality control programs. Inspection of these saved water samples in EU states has identified COVID in water samples taken in the fall of 2019, prior to the Wuhan emergence of COVID. This suggests COVID was circulating prior to its identification by Chinese medical authorities. Similar samples are preserved with respect to blood donors. These samples also give evidence of COVID circulating in populations outside China prior to the identification of COVID in China.

    It was Chinese medical authorities who first identified COVID and its genetic signature. Having made this identification China became the first nation to create a PCR test for the virus. If China was the first nation to identify the virus and develop a test for COVID then how would any other state have knowledge of the virus circulating within their own populations prior to the virus being identified by China? Why has there been no follow on investigation of strange outbreaks of a “flu like illness” occurring proximate to Fort Detrick? Or another strange outbreak of “flu like illness” occurring in MN and blamed on the use of vaping devices?

    A former US secretary of state has publicly affirmed the US lies and does so to advance its own poliitcal and economic interests. Several US administrations have identified China as a threat to US hegemonic status. Is it at all possible that the current hysteria serves the purpose of creating rabid anti-China sentiment? Does anyone believe any American investigation of COVID will deliver anything approximating the truth?

    In formulating a response to the above questions it may be worthwhile to contemplate the history of US bio-warfare in Korea, the Gulf of Tonkin incident that incited US intervention in Vietnam, and to remember the American service members killed in the assault on the Liberty. According to the official US Navy investigation the Liberty crew members machine-gunned themselves – there was no foreign state involvement.

  47. Here’s another thing, on the political topic of virology research vs. bioweapons work. What’s the difference?

    Someone in the field tell me what’s the difference between this “gain of function”* research and bioweapons work. The idea is to modify these complicated molecules to enable them to infect, thrive in, and harm humans instead of the animals that they infected, thrived in, and harmed before. From what Mr. Wade’s article said, the idea is to learn how to counteract them if they DID mutate this way in nature. I agree with Mr. Wade (same article) in saying that the risk seems way higher than the possible reward in this work.

    It’s just a matter of intention and terminology of whether doing this work is innocent scientific research or bioweapons research. This goes for an American lab as well as a Chinese one. Who’s funding it? Who’s interested in the results? Is there anything different going on in a “Virology Lab” vs. a “Bioweapons Lab”?

    It’s a moot point. Might as well ask whether the Wright brothers were working on a defense project or an innocent engineering project. You put guns on the wings or a bomb bay inside and it becomes an “aero-weapon”. Once something is invented, there’s no putting the genie back in the bottle.

    .

    * a really bad and just non-informative term for the process, even a virologist ought to admit.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  48. @Rooster11

    … what are they really trying to hide?

    Exactly.

    The gullible lemmings are being played like the proverbial violin.

    Meanwhile, the “vaccination” campaign keeps rolling right along.

    Maybe that’s the point – maybe we need a lab-released “bioweapon” to convince everyone to line up for their injection – even the 6 month old babies.

  49. Realist says:

    There is no proof of which country is responsible for the Covid virus. All assertions are propaganda.

    It is, at least, just as likely that the United States was behind the virus as China.

    If this virus was meant to be a devastating killer…it was an abject failure.

    One thing is for sure the Deep State has been wicked successful using the virus as a tool of fear and control.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Alfred Muscaria
  50. TKK says:
    @Mr. Allen

    The unhinged hatred of Trump bleeding into every facet of the Western world cannot be overstated.

    Critical to note: Without the “pandemic” hysteria and subsequent voting fraud based on mail-in ballots, Trump would have been re-elected.

    Was the virus created and released only to destabilize Trump? It is foolish to believe the CIA could outsmart China. They haven’t yet.

    Consider this cringe inducing, shocking, sycophantic scene of the press questioning Biden yesterday below. Can you imagine the press asking Trump about his favorite ice cream flavor when he had just stated he will increase federal spending by 25%?

    Biden, again, presents as a mentally retarded toddler, licking his waffle cone with his dead, vacant doll’s eyes.

    President Joe Biden could increase federal spending by 25 percent, is hiking corporate taxes and gas prices are at their highest in seven years ahead of Memorial Day.

    So when he stopped off in Cleveland to push his infrastructure bill and made an impromptu stop at an ice cream stand, a reporter decided to ask him what flavor he got.

    ‘Chocolate, chocolate chip,’ he answered after grinning for selfies at the Honey Hut Ice Cream store.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9626947/Biden-vows-money-1-says-nation-turned-tide-pandemic.html

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  51. Liza says:

    There is still a fixation on a virus and not underlying health issues and susceptibility.

    • Replies: @Anon62
  52. Realist says:
    @last straw

    I did not know that the rabidly anti-China fringe conspiracy site Zerohedge was a good source for anything related to China.

    Great point. Zerohedge has been a stalwart anti-China site for some time…Tucker Carlson is in the same category.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Anon62
    • Replies: @TKK
  53. Fauci is a criminal. Charles Lieber of Harvard, has been tucked away by the FBI. Ferguson, the Imperial College liar is free.
    We have had unprecedented levels of lies and deception with big jew spew media leading the charge.
    So when do the indictments start?

  54. @Achmed E. Newman

    … it’s the PanicFest that is the story!

    You nailed it.

    And what’s even more scary than a Corona Chan which – by the CDC’s own published figures – is hardly any worse than a regular old influenza virus?

    Why, a lab-released bioweapon Corona Chan, of course!

    Gird your loins and line up for your injections, folks! And don’t forget to bring the prams and baby walkers too.

    Meanwhile…

    Quality is not “Job 1” in China. The labs (there are more than one per my reading) are in Wuhan, and that’s where the virus spread first. Duh.

    There are about a hundred American bioweapons labs installed in countries ringing both Russia and China. Villages in Ukraine near the local Team America ® bioweapons lab keep coming down with strange disease outbreaks. The Fort Detrick bioweapons lab in the USA was shut down by the USA’s own regulatory agencies for inadequate (read sloppy) biosecurity measures.

    And possibly most significantly, whatever naughty bioweapons research might have been going on at the Wuhan biolab was funded by American agencies courtesy of none other than creepy Bill’s Mini-Me Fauci himself.

    I would argue that Chinese quality, where relevant, is more than a match for anything the West has to offer. However, the Chinese aptitude for quality is immaterial when we are considering an orchestrated sequence of events in which China was very likely never in the driver’s seat.

  55. @CelestiaQuesta

    They take their orders from the master spook agency, m0ssad.

  56. @Patrick McNally

    Where there is gross incompetence, there is corruption.

  57. Realist says:
    @Dumbo

    Anyway, I don’t think that the “elite” is denying that it leaked out of a Chinese lab, in fact, I think they are promoting this line now, to create a (fake?) conflict with China.

    It all depends on which side of the Deep State (“elite”) coin you mean. The bogeyman of the left is Russia…the bogeyman of the right is China.

  58. Rurik says:
    @Schuetze

    Of course most crass of all was the blanket censorship of social media across the entire planet, and the pushing of blatantly fake narratives about all kinds of things like lockdowns, masking, asymptomatic transfer, etc.

    That many of the main propaganda agents have been caught lying and deceiving over and over, yet somehow have been shielded from any kind of scrutiny is another indicator that something very nefarious is at foot, not just within national borders, but internationally.

    It is inescapable but that the entire pandemic has been orchestrated and directed by some evil force. Any thinking sentient being must be asking themselves who could it possibly be that could wield this much power.

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/danish-resistance-movement/

    at just over three minutes in, the video makes clear whom it is they consider the deceivers.. with a biblical quote.

    But it sounds like they have even more hostility towards the treasonous ethnic Danish leadership, (pedophiles and collaborators).

  59. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Sigh.

    Once again American Right Wing, race realists (but otherwise kooks) have gone off the deep end obsessing about some conspiracy theory that makes little or no difference to the survival of our people/civilization.

    Who F#*$&# cares whether COVID came out of a ChiCom military lab or came out of a filthy, diseased ridden wet market. The result is the same.

    A deadly Asian plague came out of China, spread to Europe, Australia, UK, USA, Canada and “the West”. It wasn’t as bad as other plagues that came out of Asia like the bubonic plague/Black Death that wiped out half the population in the Middle Ages, but it was/is bad.

    The obvious thing to do in response to this Kung Flu COVID plague is to end all immigration, migration, student and travel visas from COVID infected areas in to the West or better yet just ban all non European migration, immigration in to the West.

    COVID gives us the excuse to do what we always wanted to do.

    End bad non European immigration.

    This should be obvious, same as it shouldn’t have been obvious to ban all Muslim immigration, Muslim student visas after 9-11-01.

    But, instead Amurikun Right Wing paranoid Conservatives always have to go off the deep end and become obsessed with some weird kooky theory that confirms that warped world view.

    These conspiracy theory kooks have been around my whole life, in the early 1960s these kooks were all obsessed that all their conspiracy theories were linked to an imminent take over of the USA by either:

    THE RUSSIANS (we should have been so lucky)

    or……

    Catholics – as John F Kennedy and Ted Kennedy were supposedly taking direct orders from Conservative White Italian and Irish Catholic Popes, Bishops.

    I mean.

    Experiencing what we’ve experienced now with once safe European places like Minneapolis MN descending in to BLM, drug cartel, Black street gang anarchy, how can any intelligent, sane American of any racial, ethnic or religious community care about the TRUTH about the origin of COVID?

    It would be like asking:

    Hey should we allow every Ebola infected Black African from Liberia and the Congo to move here and if they brought their plagues and sh*& like female genital mutiliation with them, what secret society was behind it all?

    The main problem with White European American society especially Right Wing Conservatives is that they are a bunch of dumb as* idiots – like the dumb as* idiots in Texas who won’t secure their/our Southern Border but are now making easy for any human on planet earth to simply move to Texas and carry a lot of guns without bother to take a gun safety course or confirm that they aren’t a convicted felon, aren’t criminally insane, aren’t an illegal alien, aren’t in drug cartels, Black Street gangs or in ISIS.

    I’m mean ….

    C’mon on !

    How did our people become such dumb as* conspiracy mongering kooks?!

    J Ryan
    Left Behind in Chicago
    The Political Cesspool

  60. @Rooster11

    I wonder what the press’ new objective is . Is Fauci about to become toast? Are they running cover for all those Democrat governors who sent sick Covid patients to senior nursing homes? Thank goodness for the timing of Coumo’s sexual misconduct allegations. It perfectly deflected from his nursing home scandal. Does this new news shift sell vaccines? Who knows except that there is some sort of motive behind it all.

  61. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I would argue that Chinese quality, where relevant, is more than a match for anything the West has to offer.

    Hundreds of broken tools, broken toys, and falling-apart clothing beg to differ with you on this one. I guess this COULD hold true if you compare to goods that the West doesn’t even make anymore, which is a lot.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  62. VICB3 says:
    @Rooster11

    What are they really hiding? Probably that, as Ron Unz has speculated, that it was a deliberate biowarfare attack on China and Iran by the United States Government. And, as is often if not always the case with biowarfare, the weapon turned on its creators. Thus the worldwide sociopolitical disruptions of the last year and a half or so.

    That release of a bioweapon on foreign soil is a deliberate act of war. It would justifiably be treated as a legitimate causus belli for whatever retaliatory acts, overt or covert, the affected countries might consider.

    Further, an already extremely polarized United States population might be further stressed by revelation, leading to some sort of civil war scenario. The various nascent secessionist movements seen through out the United States at both local and state level highlight this very real possibility, a deep dissatisfaction with the status quo.

    Given the event of the last 10 years or so, this national fracturing is not farfetched. Hence the very recent efforts to provide scapegoats for Covid: China for the release – blame the victim- Fauci for the national socioeconomic impact, and Gates for its global one. The real decision makers would be eager to throw them both under the bus in order to deflect true blame and save their own skins.

    Conspiracy stuff? Absolutely! But given everything else, not at all outside the realm of possibility. And perhaps it’s one of those Conspiracy Theories that will prove correct, as so many, too may of them have.

    Just a thought.

    VicB

    • Replies: @Katrinka
  63. some_loon says:

    Now, what about the idea, still unacceptable, that Covid-19 was deliberately leaked, a kind of biological warfare? Or that, even if it leaked accidently, it was originally developed as part of a biological warfare program?

    The Regime Media will still condemn this as absolutely wrong and unsayable.

    They must not be allowed to get away with it again.

    It would not be a ‘regime’ had it not an ability to ‘get away with’ things.

    A viable alternative to Google for search and ad-revenue has to be found if you want to ensure independent reportage is not smothered. How you get people to use it is a big question. As is how do you make this work, financially.

    That might not be the business that makes the first (or any) trillionaire. It might make a lot of millionaires, however.

  64. @Refl

    Can anyone enlighten me, why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop?

    It’s certainly not unthinkable, and IMO that’s exactly the motive for shifting the official narrative from “Corona Chan is a natural bug” to “Corona Chan is a bioweapon”.

    A bioweapon on the loose makes it a whole lot easier to coerce the entire planetary population to bend over and take their injection.

    And that’s actually the point – the REAL point (no pun intended).

    [MORE]

    If I were to accept the bioweapon/lab leak story, I would have to accept that the virus is a real danger, which it is not.

    Again, you are on the money. Corona Chan is quite clearly a man-made bug, but even the CDC’s own figures reveal it to be no worse than a bad influenza virus.

    Corona Chan isn’t the deadly boogie-bug that it’s been hyped up to be, but it’s been hyped up that way to make way for the experimental gene-therapy “vaccines”. Western governments have even deliberately banned the various safe and effective Corona Chan treatments like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin for the very same reason – to clear an unobstructed path for the experimental gene-therapy “vaccines” to be injected into every living human on the planet.

    The authorities really really REALLY want to inject EVERYONE with this experimental crap – even children all the way down to 6 month old babies. This for a viral bug which has no effect at all on youngsters. Does this sound like a medical policy framed around the genuine interests of the population?

    By the way, Corona Chan isn’t “deadly” at all – at least, it wouldn’t be, if we were allowed to use the cheap, safe and effective medicines that have been blocked by our “democratic” governments and medical establishments. That’s why so many frail old folk have died from Corona Chan, when 85-90% of them could have been saved.

    On the other hand, the experimental “vaccines” ARE deadly, way more deadly than Corona Chan even in the short term – God only knows what awaits all the injectees 6-12 months down the track.

    Don’t take my word for it, see for yourself –

    Vaccines are more dangerous than Corona Chan

    https://anti-empire.com/norways-health-authority-says-further-use-of-astrazeneca-riskier-than-covid-recommends-pulling-vaccine-permanently/

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/the-israeli-people-committees-april-report-on-the-lethal-impact-of-vaccinations/

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers

    But that’s really the point, and not enough people “get it” yet. Here in Victoria, Australia, the idiots are lining up for blocks to get their injection to “keep them safe” from Corona Chan – even though the “vaccine” manufacturers themselves openly admit that their experimental “vaccines” neither stop you from catching or spreading Corona Chan. And those companies have 100% legal immunity for any injuries or deaths caused by their experimental “vaccines”.

    There is clearly an agenda afoot here – an evil agenda – and Corona Chan, man-made though it may be, is not the objective. Corona Chan is being used as the means to get everyone – EVERYONE – injected with experimental gene therapy “vaccines”.

    The “vaccines” are where the real bioweapon magic is being performed – and the gullible lemmings are lining up like lambs to the slaughter, which is a quite literal analogy in this case.

    Here’s some real experts speaking on the bioweapon aspects of these “vaccines” – built on the same technology that killed 100% of the test animals when they previously tried to creat coronavirus vaccines (note that the experimental Corona Chan “vaccines” weren’t tested at all on animals – this time around, WE are the test animals) –

    Source BitChute Video – Interview with Dr.Sherri Tenpenny – 10 ways the mRNA “vaccines” will kill you

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/fhhNpDM9Ahwf/

    This guy Fleming clearly knows what he is talking about –

    Highwire Interview with Dr.Richard Fleming

    https://rumble.com/embed/vee4uf/

    Although quite paranoid about the evil Chinese communists conspiring to take away freedom and democracy in the USA (she maybe should look closer to home), Dr. Merritt at least talks sensibly on the technical aspects of the Corona Chan bug and the experimental “vaccines” –

    Dr. Lee Merritt talks on Corona Chan as a Bioweapon

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/kLoOxAsd4fbD/

    Bottom line – Corona Chan is a global bait-and-switch con, we’re being played, and we’re all being herded towards an early grave.

  65. @Ultrafart the Brave

    And possibly most significantly, whatever naughty bioweapons research might have been going on at the Wuhan biolab was funded by American agencies courtesy of none other than creepy Bill’s Mini-Me Fauci himself.

    Yes, this is widely known. It doesn’t change the point. It’s likely the work would have been cheaper and easier to get done in China.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  66. And the ‘ blank out’ is not just the usual corporate suspects, even certain skittish alt-blog sites get into the cancel-act when the comment section diviates from their ‘Alabama’ orientated borders/grenzen or show deeper insights that can reasonably be categorised as at least plausible, if not even likely possible. A most disturbing effect on reader confidence and one that raises red flags on a blog-site’s real mission, imo.

    For example, here (below) is one that I found interesting and added value. I’m not necessarily endorsing it — rather just sharing it for private and personal considerations by those who wish to think for themselves. I trust the writer of these words (below) will not object to his interesting publically posted views being shared here on another platform more likely to support free speech principles.

    As the post concludes quite reasonably, imo: “I hope this fills in some of the missing pieces.” I hope he/she steps forward in due course and keeps supplying missing pieces.

    As the saying goes: “The history of liberty is a history of resistance” – Woodrow Wilson
    ——

    [As posted to (it will be obvious, see last line) — on 27 May 2021, and copied to pdf before it disappeared, and several very positive references to it.]
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    [MORE]

    “Lots of missing pieces in this [‘Lab-Leak’ Theory] discussion.

    SARS-CoV-1 was a germ warfare agent resulting from gain-of-function work, which escaped from a lab in China in November 2002, as admitted by the WHO, off the record, which called in a team of seven world-class military germ warfare specialists from the U.K. to deal with it (from behind closed doors).

    As a journalist based in Geneva and covering the WHO, I know quite a bit about it. Also, since the 1996 Bioweapons Treaty Review Conference, also in Geneva, that set up a working group to draft what turned out to be a superb legally binding protocol to the Convention (which G.W.B & C° killed at the at the last minute, making the Convention thenceforth a dead letter), I have been tracking the U.S. germ warfare program (which, officially, does not exist) for some 25 years.

    The basic information on SARS-CoV-1 was given to WHO-affiliated labs in February 2003. The U.S. put the screws to the WHO to demand and get EVERYTHING that the Chinese had on the virus and the work behind it, citing its danger. China balked, but eventually gave in (much to its later regret).

    The file was passed to the U.S., and the U.S. then built its gain-of-function work on what the Chinese had been doing. Later, China fought tooth and nail to install Margaret Chan as Director-General of the WHO, who obliged the Chinese by adjusting the protocol for information sharing so that no country (but specifically China) could ever again be roped into turning over everything to the WHO.

    U.S. gain-of-function work was (still is?) centered on Fort Detrick with auxiliary work elsewhere, in particular at the University of North Carolina. The main actor was EcoHealth Alliance, run by Daszak and funded by money channelled by Fauci through a public-private partnership grant from his NIAID.

    It is worth noting that in his recent wrangle with Senator Rand Paul, Fauci kept asserting that the NIH does not conduct, and has never conducted, gain-of-function work. Absent form his repeated assertions is any mention of his NIAID, which is nominally under the NIH but entirely independent of it, and funded independently of it by Congress. However, near the end of the wrangle, Fauci, manifestly perturbed, does slip in one mention of his NIAID side by side with the NIH in his obviously frustrated final denial
    ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=nsJb5PNl9PQ ).

    That work was transferred to Wuhan in 2014 when Obama issued a ban on gain-of-function work, following the fiasco in western Africa from ebola weaponization work, but it returned to the U.S. in 2017 when Trump lifted the ban. So, it was centered on Wuhan for less than three years. The ban occurred after Obama had had to be briefed on the ebola weaponization that was taking place in western Africa because judged too dangerous to be conducted on United States territory. That work was in its final stage, and an antidote in the form of a vaccine was being prepared and administered to / tested on the uninformed Africans on the pretext that it was urgent to vaccinate them from ebola, even though ebola was not endemic to the area and its primary location was in central Africa, some four or five thousands kilometers away.

    The vaccine (or “vaccine”?) turned out to be a disaster and set off a pandemic with a reported 80% mortality rate (I don’t know the final mortality rate). The U.S. responded in one of its “noblest humanitarian gestures in modern times” by sending in thousands of military to supervise the containment effort. Here in Geneva, we were briefed on this and fed the line about humanitarian response. Every question about why the U.S. was sending in military with NO pandemic training, only combat training, was met with the typical, “We are grateful for the generous support coming from the U.S., and it is not for the WHO to dictate to a WHO member state how to respond…”

    It is highly unlikely that the Chinese authorities knew that the work being carried on in Wuhan with Eco-Haelth Alliance was gain-of-function. The project had its own dedicated space. The lab, under the Chinese military, was/is level four, meaning designed, built and maintained to deal with the most lethal pathogens possible (like Fort Detrick). As such it was top secret.

    The Washington Post gave the game away in April of last year when it published an article about a visit to the lab by officials from the United States embassy in Beijing, during which employees confided to them that there seemed to be insufficient security in the lab.

    It is inconceivable that ANY foreign officials would have been allowed in a top-secret military lab in any country. Therefore, the visit had to have taken place within a “cordoned off” section of the institute, set apart for the EcoHealth partnership venture – in other words, what was classified by the Chinese to be a nonmilitary work area. That U.S. officials were visiting is logical since the work was U.S.-taxpayer funded.

    The gain-of-function work goes back some 20 years. It is attested to in numerous peer-reviewed articles over the years boasting about the insertion of a block of 16 nucleotides identical to the 16 alien nucleotides in SARSCoV-2, which is a sort of clone of the first SARS-CoV-2 but the result of considerably more advanced work, hence more transmissible. It is engineered to mutate and become more powerful (both more virulent and more transmissible) and is demonstrating that the work to make it more powerful has been successful to at least some extent, for it is not showing signs of petering out / abating (as natural viruses do over time), not anytime soon anyway.

    The leak came from Fort Detrick, outside Washington, D.C., in July 2019, at which point the CDC, up until then kept out of this level-four, top secret military installation, was called in. For the CDC to be called in, something colossal must have happened (or something posing a colossal threat). The next day, the whole place was shut down, locked with reinforced “security” and everybody (700+ employees in the central lab) on paid furlough for months. The first cases of what we now call covid-19 occurred the next month (August), also in the Washington, D.C., area.

    The virus has been found to have been in northeast Spain and northern Italy in September 2019, both areas with direct flights to Washington. In October, the U.S. sent over 300 military to Wuhan for the World Military Games, several of whom were so sick that they had to be hospitalized upon arrival. The Chinese doctors (among the best in the county, hence in the world), put at the disposal of the athletes by the host country, were flummoxed and could diagnose only “atypical pneumonia” (to wit it looks like pneumonia, but we don’t really know what it is), the same diagnosis of the cases in the Washington area. (By the way, the U.S. teams were lodged in a hotel next to the now (in)famous wet market.)

    The whole gang was repatriated under a military medical evacuation to the Barksdale (Louisiana) military base, the most secure in the world (where G.W.B. was taken on the morning of 11 September 2001) some fifteen or sixteen hours flying time. Later, in the beginning of 2020, there were two pandemic epicenters in the U.S.: the New York City area and Louisiana. The latter rapidly disappeared from all corporate media coverage. The evacuation took place without the Chinese public health authorities being notified, in violation of the International Health Regulations.

    Event 201 (19 October 2019) was obviously intended to prepare for the worst, although it was entirely oriented to the “private” (corporate) sector and to “responses” that would make money for the corporatocracy, with remarkable little attention to basic public health considerations. Trump put paid to any such plan with his imperative, “Don’t spook the markets!”

    Note that it was the Chinese who mapped the genome and promptly published it (12 January 2020). If it had been mapped in the U.S., it would have been locked up under intellectual property rights protection, and the public would not have had access to it until/unless some other country, with the means, mapped it and published it.

    Everything I have seen in my efforts to track this affair since December 2019 says that the Chinese were caught off guard and, upon realizing the seriousness of the situation, believed that they were under attack.

    The disarray in Washington was obvious, for they were in a bind: Trump & C° were opposed to taking the decisive action that the situation required for that would let it be known that something seriously disruptive was threatening, and the Pentagon has over the years steadfastly refused to admit that it has a germ warfare program in flagrant violation of its commitments under the Bioweapons Treaty that it has effectively neutered but still pays lip-service to. The result was paralysis, contradictions and confusion, all amplified by the confederacy of dunces in the White House.

    Look at Taiwan’s response to see what could have been done: for 23+ million people, with close ties to China (notwithstanding the constant tension between the two countries), they have 6,761 confirmed cases (through reliable testing) owing to a recent outbreak, with 59 deaths, 2 per million as opposed to the U.S. (Until just the recent outbreak, it was .3 per million.) The U.S. can boast 1,822 deaths per million.

    Any discussion of mortality is premature as long as the virus is still circulating and killing. Any mention of covid-19 as a “flu” is absurd: flu does not leave one with permanent lung damage, nor permanent heart damage, nor permanent brain damage, nor permanent muscle damage, nor permanent liver damage, nor permanent kidney damage… nor chronic fatigue. I speak from my own experience and from that of some several dozen friends and acquaintances.

    I hope this fills in some of the missing pieces.

    Posted by: RJPJR | May 27 2021 14:42 utc | 81″

    (end quote)

  67. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    To do so you require a media full of ideologically reliable, dullard ignoramuses with the moral sense of a rabid wolverine.

    Please don’t insult rabid wolverine like that.

  68. antibeast says:
    @Rooster11

    If the MSM is now admitting that the virus could have been leaked from the Wuhan lab, my only question is: what are they really trying to hide?!

    That the US Deep State created the Covid-19 virus in order to get rid of Trump and then blame China for causing the pandemic which they had been planning for years as the ‘Final Solution’ to the problem of ‘White Nationalism’ in America?

    • Agree: Alfred Muscaria
    • Replies: @Rooster11
  69. @BorisMay

    What does it matter where the origins of the coronavirus scam were? Or even whether it was intended as a weapon (which is more than likely as a US weapon) as it manifested in both China and Iran almost simultaneously resulting in deaths in both nations.

    That’s like saying: What does it matter whether I’m sick because my wife tried to poison me to collect the insurance money, or whether I got food poisoning because of bacteria-contaminated romaine lettuce I bought the grocery store the other day?

    For obvious reasons, it matters very much.

  70. Bro43rd says:
    @Patrick McNally

    You completely ignore Ron Unz’s theory it was leaked, not by the chicoms but by the US. Me personally, probably more likely the USzionazis or some faction of them are responsible for the bio-terrorism. Cui bono, pretty much the NWO, UN & most the major governments of the world.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  71. Trinity says:

    Well I for one have said since day 1 that this was MANUFACTURED. At first I called it a Zio-Sino operation even though I would look at America as a suspect as well though, especially with the 2020 election. And lately I think it is (((the usual suspects))) up to yet another one of their acts of spreading joy to humanity. And the death counts related to this “deadly disease” have been RIDICULOUSLY FUDGED. I have almost eschewed the face diaper from day one and only wore it briefly at first to enter stores, and even then in my neck of the woods after the first initial weeks people started saying fuck it to the masks and so did I. At 60 years of age, I have yet to even develop a cough since the Jew Flu hit our shores. I think they might have meant for this “deadly virus” to possibly be more of a threat or maybe it was more of a mind fuck to scare people from the start. You know just like the Samson Option, which IMO, DOES NOT EXIST and is another toothless threat meant only to scare people, typical bully psychology 101.

    What the “ruling class” has lied about.

    Joe Biden/Kamala Harris won the 2020 Presidential election.

    George Bush won the 2000 Presidential election.

    JFK won the 1960 Presidential election.

    The official narrative of the JFK assassination. And the MLK MYTH mainly created after Saint Martin’s death.

    Integrating our schools would be good for the nation. Look at our public schools right now and think what they used to be.

    The 1965 Immigration Reform Act would not change the demographics of a nearly 90% White America.

    Germany started WWII.

    Israel is our best ally.

    The 911 “official narrative”

    The USS Liberty

    “White Supremacist” domestic terrorist groups are the biggest threat to our nation

    11 million illegals in our nation. ( they spewed that number for close to 20 years before they figured that even the sheeple can’t be dumb enough to believe the number is still 11 million.)

    List is really too long to go into but that is a good start.

  72. theMann says:
    @onebornfree

    You always get the good answers in before I do!

    Let me add: As I have said before, the more you know, the more you know that is wrong. (I have fallen prey to that truth many times, sometimes right here at Unz.) If you are going to make decisions, you are obligated to have the brain power to deal with complexity, and the humility to adjust to the many errors you will make. Our Ruling Class has neither of those virtues. Indeed, our Ruling Class presents as stupendously incompetent in all things except lying and stealing.

    The uniformly, and monumentally hysterical, overreaction to “the Covid” worldwide indicates that governments uniformly believed a) that some next level bioware item escaped containment, and b) a great opportunity for thoroughly expanding permanent Police State powers presented itself. So wrong, and evil. Government in a nutshell

    Btw, those of you still buying into Ron Unz’s Covid origins bs need to read David Cole’s demolition of it in Takimag.com.

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  73. antibeast says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    It’s certainly not unthinkable, and IMO that’s exactly the motive for shifting the official narrative from “Corona Chan is a natural bug” to “Corona Chan is a bioweapon”.

    A bioweapon on the loose makes it a whole lot easier to coerce the entire planetary population to bend over and take their injection.

    The “vaccines” are where the real bioweapon magic is being performed – and the gullible lemmings are lining up like lambs to the slaughter, which is a quite literal analogy in this case.

    You got it!

  74. What part of smearing China 2.0 doesn’t the author understand?

    Why do some who claims to be analytical so superficial?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  75. TKK says:
    @Realist

    Who cares if they are anti- China?

    I don’t get this obsession with being pro-China. The Chinese don’t give a red penny about us or any other American’s well being. They fan the flames of BLM while simultaneously refuse to hire blacks to teach English in their country- because they are smarter than that. They only began to hire a trickle of blacks when Obama pitched a hissy fit over it.

    Does this seem normal to you? Big tough guy groveling to China because he called Taiwan a country…..

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/05/25/john-cena-sucks-up-to-communist-china-saying-hes-very-very-sorry-for-calling-taiwan-a-country/

  76. TKK says:
    @onebornfree

    Onebornfree,

    What do you think Carlin would have thought of Cancel Culture?

    Do you think he would have caved in or fought back? To fight back would mean certain career death.

  77. When the Covid hoax started in 2020, liberals called Trump a racist for calling Covid a “Chinese” virus. Social media platforms banned people for this.

    Now (mid-2021) it is fashionable to call Covid a “Chinese” virus, because Western elitists have ordered everyone to condemn China.

    Conservatives claim to be vindicated in their China-bashing. They bicker about which “Chinese” lab the so-called “pandemic” came from. They think the “elitists were wrong,” when in fact conservatives are obeying elitists’ orders to bash China.

    Conservatives are as prone to mindless group-think as are liberals. Both sides become furious if you question whether the “pandemic” exists at all.

  78. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s likely the work would have been cheaper and easier to get done in China.

    I stand corrected. You are likely on target with that assessment.

  79. Boils down to our government lies where the truth will do. They lie about this Covid, they lie about Nordstream, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Putin, lies, all lies told by fucking liars all over the face of our government.

    It’s a filthy state of affairs and quite unstoppable.

  80. Alfred says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Here in Victoria, Australia, the idiots are lining up for blocks to get their injection to “keep them safe” from Corona.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis. My daughters and ex are in Melbourne. I have repeatedly warned them to stay away from the fake vaccines. The people of Victoria are a lot more stupid that I would have ever imagined. 🙁

    IMHO, the searchlight is returning to Wuhan and China because the Deep State of the USA has decided to try to mend fences with Russia and to concentrate on bringing down China. Their change of policy has come 10 years too late. 🙂

    • Replies: @GMC
  81. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Bottom line – Corona Chan is a global bait-and-switch con, we’re being played, and we’re all being herded towards an early grave.

    Tend to agree. But who is doing the playing, and why?

    What is the Chinese term for lebensraum?

  82. Realist says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I agree with your analysis of the RINOs…but there is only one party…the Deep State. All government officials are assholes and sell out their country for money and power. Look at the antics of McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, and all the rest…not one is worth a goddamn.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  83. ricpic says:

    Obama, the essence of evil, is behind it all.

  84. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:

    All this means is the left and the right are now perfectly aligned on China.

    I do agree it looks suspicious as a man made virus, but I don’t think Wuhan is the origin. I think it was leaked from Ft. Detrick, which was shut down by CDC in August, 2019 for failure to observe proper safety protocols. A month before, in July 2019, a “mysterious flu like illness” swept through a nursing home an hour away from Ft. Detrick in VA, killed 2 and sickened over 60, they never did find the cause of this mysterious illness other than it wasn’t the flu:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

  85. The deliberate release of the Covid-19 virus was an act of war. We should demand reparations or take aggressive action against the communist Chinese regime.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  86. Anon62 says:
    @Liza

    There exists the possibility that this virus has been circulating in the global population for some period of time. During this period of circulation it was non-pathogenic but it did undertake a series of random mutations and one of these mutations was highly pathogenic.

    There also exists the possibility that the circulating virus opportunistically exploits some facet of the victim and therefore the pathogenicity of the virus is related to some condition found in the victimrather than being an innate property of the virus itself.

    There is some evidence to support the above assertion:

    It is known that persons can have the virus in their body but they demonstrate no sign of illness or abnormality. They do appear able to communicate the virus to others.

    Persons with comorbidities such as diabetes, or obesity, experience a higher degree of pathogenicity than persons in good health.

    There exist scientific studies which suggest (but do not yet provide conclusive proof) that a vitamin D3 defciency results in increased pathogenicity. Vitamin D uptake may be affected by poor diet and other medical conditions.

    The primary human source of vitamin D is obtained via skin exposure to sunlight. What is most interesting is the fact COVID appears to vary according to season. During the northern hemisphere winter there is little sublight at high latitudes and most of the population is therefore likely to experience a deficiency. This is corrected during the summer months during high degree of insolation. The peaks and troughs of COVID appear to closely follow an identical cycle – high rates of illness during the winter with decreasing rate of infection with the onset of summer.

    It also appears that air pollution plays some role. The worst affected area of Italy is in the industrial north which has poor air quality. This poor air quality harmsthe lungs and may also reduce the solar radiation reaching the earth.

    I think you are correct in stating there is little attention being paid to the variance in susceptibility within populations. Science is increasingly irrelevant with respect to COVID.

    There also exists a fixation on using the virus as a means to advance hegemonic interests – China bad. US good. This is in addition to political interests – Trump bad. Biden good. And economic interests – Buy lots of expensive vaccines, disregard any low cost treatment methods and demand the population comply and accept an experimental vaccine which has a range of unknown negative effects but is extremely profitable.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  87. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    The better question is what else is Lance Welton wrong about. And why.

  88. Realist says:
    @TKK

    Who cares if they are anti- China?

    Anyone who is interested in the veracity of the accuser.

  89. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, therefore it does not exist. It is an imaginary mythical concept from the demented minds of the WEF, UN Agenda 2030, the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, the WHO, etc., to drive people to get the injection of mRNA, which alters the DNA and destroys the immune system and acts as a genocide agenda for the elites population genocide aka a holocaust of we useless eaters.

  90. HVM says:

    We will never know the truth one way or the other. It is too late to completely ascertain the truth.

    In my view it certainly strengthens both the position of Biden and the establishment.

    If the case is made about the Wuhan laboratory it further pushes the United States and China into a conflict.

    Biden will be strengthened by conflict with China. The establishment and police state control will be strengthened by conflict with China.

    All of those who once cried “hoax” will now cry “war.”

    All of those who a decrying deplatforming and the the loss of liberty under Biden will rue the day that the U.S. starts a conflict with China.

    If anything the USA should decouple its economy from China and bring it back home to create a real economic base rather than having a financialized Jewish speculative debt interest Ponzi economy (look – 2008 was created by Jew banks. We have had financial repression ever since)

    Creating a real economy won’t happen. The establishment has too much to gain through conflict. Inflation will be upon the Americans, but but the bond market will not reflect that crisis because a conflict will cause a move into U.S. treasuries seeking safety while giving further cover for the Fed to pursue financial repression because it has no way out of its bond buying program. Multinationals will still do business in China and the end result will be an unbalance treaty like the 1842 Treaty of Nanjing but this time in favor of China in the Pacific. The white working/middle class will continue to be squashed like a toads as the reverberations from that conflict will erode their standard of living while minority anti-racist racists will further demand a redistribution of white working/middle class’ remaining wealth owing to the fact that the poor minorities who have flooded the country will be the most devastated by a conflict with China since much of what they depend upon in terms of consumer goods comes from China.

  91. Emslander says:
    @bayviking

    Unz’s theory is more consistent with the documented history of the CIA

    Is this sucking up to Ron Unz actually necessary? His insane conspiracy rants deserve no more reverence than anyone else’s. Sure, he’s got a useful website, but that doesn’t make him the Big Giant Head! LOL

    • Troll: GomezAdddams
  92. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Whether a real plan was made, or whether this was just “not letting a crisis go to waste” (I lean toward the latter), this serious virus, but no kind of Black Death 2.0, was used to implement a larger Police State in the US and more Orwellian control in China. That’s the real story here.”

    If you read the full Rockefeller “Operation Lockstep” text, you’d already know that :

    1] This “accidental” virus release was all deliberately planned, and has nothing to do with a somewhat more innocent case of “never letting a good crisis go to waste”. The response was fully planned/anticipated.

    2] “That’s the real story here.”
    ‘Fraid not, unfortunately. I wish it were that “innocent” [comparativly speaking]. Its time to “wake up and smell the coffee” , as they say.

    The real story is the totally planned for, mass, soon to be mandatory, injections [and subsequent extermination ]of entire populations with various soft-kill bio weapons that have all been deliberately mislabelled as “Covid-19 vaccines”.

    Thousands worldwide have already died from these injections.Probably millions more will follow soon.

    Of course, those deaths are being ignored/underreported by the usual suspects, and will continue to be if “Lockstep” continues to go according to plan. As I said: “time to wake up and smell the coffee”.

    Regards, onebornfree

  93. Rooster11 says:
    @antibeast

    Very succinctly put. It’s just a coincidence that the virus allowed them to execute all their objectives in such a streamlined manner… it’s almost as if they planned the whole thing!

  94. @Realist

    It is, at least, just as likely that the United States was behind the virus as China.

    If this virus was meant to be a devastating killer…it was an abject failure.

    The way the media supports the narrative suggests US or Israeli origin. Not that there is a meaningful difference between the two.

    • Replies: @Realist
  95. @gotmituns

    Better said, we live in a world of Liars, liars and more liars. Lies don’t invent themselves. The Lie has existed from the beginning, to fool people — no doubt one of the first “ideas” that early humans came up with: ‘I don’t have to tell the truth!! Who will know?’

    If we could accept that we only have ourselves to blame, we could put an end to it — as Arthur MacBride said above (#23). But … divide and conquer.

  96. Trinity says:

    Americans have been lied to by the ruling class for at least a century and possibly longer, you would have “thunk” we would have learned by now.

    The former ruling class of inbred White snobs sold this nation down the tubes to a parasitical tribe of glorified (((gypsies))) long ago. You know we can blame Jews, and Blacks, and they have indeed played a major part in this nation’s downfall especially in the last half century, but it was the inbred White snobs, chiefly from the Northeast part of this nation, that gave this nation to the Jew and Black parasites. Come to think of it, the inbred White snob elitist Yankees were parasites as well. Not all Yankees of course, many Northerners, children included, worked like dogs for pennies, worked far harder than any Black slave in the South for sure, to make these inbred White snobs filthy rich.

  97. Alfred says:

    Joe Biden dropped a truth bomb. 🙂

  98. Spect3r says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    My problem with your theory, is… why the hell didnt the Chinese say something?
    If anyone would know the virus wasnt their “fault”, it would be the Chinese.

    Seriously, American people VASTLY overestimate the capacity and quality of the actors in your “Security” Agencies.
    You also vastly overestimate your importance in the World.

  99. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    Thanks Alfred – looking at the video interview – I never blame Biden, because he has been a huckleberry, that would grab the ball and run with it, as long as everyone at the top – told him to. He has carried the wrecking ball soo long – he has diplomatic/presidential immunity from everything he does. The Real USA destroyer was Obama , the slick Oreo that has passed so much legislation against the people, it ain’t funny. And most of the USA populace, has No clue about his slime ball laws, passed at midnight. The main reason the media is 100% Government owned, is with Obama’s Propaganda law 2013 – that can now be used against the US citizen. That went way over everybody’s head, because the MSM worded it just right. The Democratic Party /Abortion has the Oreos signature all over it – lies, theft and murder. Hope your children don’t take the r RNA jab . Unfortunately , it’s outta your hands , but at least you tried to talk sense. oo dah chee.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  100. @TKK

    I don’t get this obsession with being pro-China. The Chinese don’t give a red penny about us or any other American’s well being.

    Why sooo pro China?

    As the self-made orphans of a nation previously supported by God, these foundlings now waddle after anything that resembles an enemy to their new enemy.

    China is all cunning, no mercy and will strike such fools like lightning.

  101. This uneducated, deplorable provincial never believed the “wet market” story. You don’t need a degree to read the writing on the wall.

  102. anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “To do so you require a media full of ideologically reliable, dullard ignoramuses with the moral sense of a rabid wolverine. ”

    No, “you” just need to own all the major media. Don’t make it complicated.

  103. Kapyong says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    “And that’s actually the point – the REAL point (no pun intended).”

    Don’t kick against the pricks.

  104. Marcali says:

    What was the origin of the “Spanish Flu”? Which was neither Spanish nor Flu.
    Once answered, the answer is there for the Covid.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  105. We will never know the truth one way or the other. It is too late to completely ascertain the truth.

    Correct. Speculation will create a fog from which no truth can be derived. For example, Who killed JFK.

    Somebody, somewhere knows the truth, but he isn’t talking. Indeed, he can help muddy the waters by writing a book about the great Chinese/Iranian Covid connection. Or some such.

    As you said,

    We will never know the truth one way or the other. It is too late to completely ascertain the truth.

    But it really doesn’t matter. The people who run the world still can only eat three meals a day, without becoming obese. They still require sleep. Their boldily functions must be provided for just as for the most backward bumpkin.

    The future is perfectly described in the opening sequences of the movie, Idiocracy. Everything is there, with one minor quibble. It isn’t diverse enough.

    • Replies: @Alden
  106. @Astuteobservor II

    Speaking of superficial ChinaDidItry, Mr. Derbyshire in a May 15 column entitled

    Where Did the Covid Come from? Inquiring Minds Want to Know!

    failed to acknowledge that the Wade article he was praising beginning with its title

    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    forecloses that very question.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  107. The author also had many other powerful ideas, such as that Corona was only going to kill East Asians, which unsurprisingly turned out to be BS.

    I too said there was a substantial chance that Corona was a bioerror from late Jan 2020, e.g. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-bioerror/ So, nothing particular unique there either.

    That the Official Narrative changed should not much affect our our preexisting probability curve on origins of Corona. Actually much more relevant questions would be, “why now?” and “what are the elites planning”?

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Spect3r
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  108. So, does it mean they have finally managed to wipe clean all the connections between American researchers and Wuhan lab?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  109. @Refl

    “why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop?”

    Excess death stats globally, and personal first-hand experiences.

    My first degree of social network, friends and family in India, personally know 30+ people who died in a compressed time period (last 45 days) from similar symptoms.

    Covid-19 is BOTH a dangerous bioweapon AND a psyop. That’s why it has been so confusing and dividing the truth seekers into various camps.

    Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Refl
  110. Ron Unz says:
    @Spect3r

    My problem with your theory, is… why the hell didnt the Chinese say something?
    If anyone would know the virus wasnt their “fault”, it would be the Chinese.

    I’ll repeat my answer from a day or two ago on a different thread:

    This sort of argument has often come up, but the overwhelming control America has over the global media would mean that any sort of Chinese accusations (especially given their lack of hard proof) would be portrayed as “insane.” Remember how Trump reacted when that Chinese official simply pointed out that 300 American military servicemen had been visiting Wuhan just before the outbreak occurred.

    Here’s some additional evidence from a comment I made a week or two ago:

    Proof of this comes from past cases. As I pointed out in my original article, for decades it’s been admitted that the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” was just a hoax, but every year all the MSM outlets still run stories about it, so everyone still thinks it actually happened, including a certain fraction of Western-oriented Chinese people, not to mention Chinese living in the West.

    Similarly, it’s perfectly well established that NATO deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999, with one NATO officer even bragging that they hit the exact room targeted, but since the American MSM said otherwise, everyone here believed it was an accident.

    I covered all of this in my original April 2020 article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    As I’m sure many commenters here know from the crazy Russiagate nonsense, if you totally control the mainstream media, you can get people to believe the most ridiculous things.

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/breaking-the-silence-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4669612

  111. The ruling class was not wrong. It just deliberately spreads the lies for the ruled. Its major weakness is that it caught itself in this trap: it behaves as if it believes its own lies. It is said that when God wishes to punish a person, He takes away his mind. This appears to apply to classes, as well.

  112. @Schuetze

    And here from Berlin via Canada’s Global Research is the latest Corona scam satire from the incomparable C.J. Hopkins. Spot on the mark, as usual:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greetings-new-normal-germany/5746231

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  113. @Mr. Allen

    We should tell scientists just because we can doesn’t mean we must and stop jacking up viruses and we’re taking away your grant money.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  114. Trinity says:

    One thing is certain, Whites of America and elsewhere better get off their fat asses and put a stop to this shit. Corporations demanding Whites attend classes that demean Whites, preach how Whites should feel guilty, etc. You can very well see where this is heading. You white collar Whites are already being replaced by Asians both Orientals and Dot Indians so don’t think it is only the poor working sap with his name sewn on his shirt that will be eating out of the trash can. Whites should have put a stop to this shit decades ago when they were warned by plenty of “conspiracy wackos and racists.” Lest we forget the most discriminated and oppressed group in America is the White working class and White professionals are about to join them. And yet it is “White Soup-preem-cissst” who make up the biggest domestic terrorist groups in America. LMAO. They have the gall to tell you this as White kids are being thrown off balconies in Minnesota malls by Black psychopaths, around 100 White women are raped or sexually assaulted by Black males every day in America, Jews and Jewish owned networks and film studios put out the most anti-White crap imaginable 24/7/365

    Anyone seen the latest bullshit documentary being pushed by (((CNN?))) It is about the destruction of “Black Wall Skreet” and how evil Whitey slaughtered Blacks. Don’t know how many Whitey killed but you can bet they might claim 6 million and how “Black Wall Skreet” was a Wakanda in the making if not for some evil White Okies from Muskogee rampaging through the skreets with German shepherds and pick axes and letting out some rebel yells. I am sure there will be calls for mo gibz fo the Black folk who had ancestors killed during the Black Wall Skreet massacre. There will be more Black folk claiming their great grand pappy was killed at Black Wall Skreet than the number of old White hippies who claimed they attended Woodstock in 1969.

    Cue: Rebel Yell by Billy Idol. * Note how Idol always wore a Confederate Battle Flag or had the Flag on his guitar. haha. Considering Idol was an Englishman, would he be allowed to pull this off today?
    They would make Billy dance all by himself as punishment for that one.

    • Thanks: Katrinka
    • Replies: @Alden
  115. Beagle says:

    We’ve known for an entire year+ that Fauci funded GOF research on bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan facility. Even Newsweek covered it in April of 2020. Not a publication out to get Saint Fauci.

    How is it possible to ignore this when spinning any kind of narrative involving a lab accident or intentional release?

    Simplistic ‘China / US did it’ narratives are geopolitically expedient, but ignore the facts available from the very beginning.

    • Replies: @durd
  116. Joe Wong says:
    @AnonStarter

    For the greater good of human beings, the survival of humanity, and being a responsible member of international stakeholders, USA, please gives the WHO unrestricted access in the USA and your overseas facilities to investigate the origin of Covid-19 and its derivatives.

    Europeans and your Asian lackeys will follow you to give the WHO unrestricted access in their nations to investigate the origin of Covid-19 and its derivatives.

    Borders, ideologies or skin colors make no difference to the virus, it kills anyone it encounters just the same. We are all in this Covid-19 and its derivatives crisis together. No one is an island, we need to cooperate to win this battle against this Covid-19 and its cousins hand-in-hand.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    , @Escher
  117. BCB232 says:

    Early on there was a narrative that the wet market theory was racist since it reflected negatively on Chinese people/culture.

  118. Dystopian says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I agree that elements of the United States government were involved in the deliberate release of the virus. But, the whole western world committing economic suicide with an over response to a non issue implies a coordinated effort by numerous international players. There is good evidence that the NIH along with health agencies in other countries were subsidizing the study of SARS CoV2 at the Wuhan lab. Although that does not prove the Wuhan lab released the virus, it does show Chinese complicity. If you add in the fake videos released by the CCP of people dropping dead in the street in Wuhan it is almost guaranteed that they were also complicit. I understand why you don’t trust U.S. government explanations but the CCP is no more credible. They have also benefited greatly from the hoax. Most of the government, including the president, are on the Chinese payroll. If they are blaming the Wuhan lab, it’s because the CCP wants it that way.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  119. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s Science! We can, therefore we must!

  120. frontier says:
    @Priss Factor

    Only humanist-fascism or humano-fascism can save the white race and the West.

    Only that? How about humano-communism, human0-bolshevism and, especially, humano-bullshitism? LOL You forgot humano-humanism too… Hold your horses, calm down and stay away from the -isms. Take care of yourself, this is far messier than simplistic labels.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  121. Alden says:

    I just used my basic rule since high school. Whatever is in the NYTimes, Washington Post Chicago, Denver Omaha , Des Moines Atlanta California news papers is a lie. Whatever the newspaper claims is a lie.

    From Twana Brawley to Duke Lacrosse team to Trayvon Martin to covid hoax to Hideous George Floyd if it’s in a newspaper or TV news, it’s a lie. And the opposite is true.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  122. martin_2 says:

    Surely the liberal establishment and their enforcers in the media are not necessarily wrong about the provenance of the virus, it might still be the case that the virus has a natural origin. But they were wrong to silence, cancel and ridicule people who had a contrary point of view.

    This I believe is one of the arguments that John Stuart Mill put forward for the importance of free speech and free enquiry: That the minority opinion might after all be right.

  123. Katrinka says:
    @VICB3

    I have always believed that the bug that was making people sick in China and Iran was far more deadly than the one we experienced in the U.S. Just my observation.

    • Replies: @As I see it
  124. republic says:
    @Alfred

    Armstrong spent 11 years in jail,be must have gone against the deep state in some way

    • Replies: @Alfred
  125. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    What can I say I haven’t said a million times since the summer of 1968 when an all White male coalition of president Vice President senate and congress passed the 1968 affirmative action No Whites Need Apply law. And established the EEOC gestapo to viciously enforce that law. EEOC was headed and staffed by White men at first. There were a few, maybe 10 or less women and minority Congress critters at the time.

    My husband, his brothers and I all knew what the 1968 law meant. That summer even before the No Whites Need Apply law was passed, my Dad went to a conference in Detroit. For personnel department directors as they were called at the time. 5 days and what they were told was. “ From now on, every hiring firing promotion transfer and even job assignment is subject to litigation”

    And US Steel, Ford, GM, Allis Chalmers Delco Maytag and all the big manufacturing companies just accepted it.

    Anyone who thinks the huge manufacturing and retail companies didn’t want affirmative action is a fool.

    The vicious hatred was first directed at southern Whites, then blue collar Whites, then White women teachers and social workers then White men cubicle coolies.

    Whites were ethnically cleansed out of the big cities they and their ancestors built by murder rape robbery and assault and battery committed by blacks directed by commie liberal Jews.

    Schools were destroyed by vicious feral black children bussed there by White men judges under orders by commie liberal Jew lawfare attorneys.

    Whites aren’t being genocide by black criminals or even Jewish attorneys and their AJC ADL SPLC ACLU money. We’re being genocide by other Whites.

    It’s nothing new. It began in 1953 with school desegregation and could very well end with our disappearance.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  126. @GMC

    So many Americans have forgotten and the dunderheaded among them, never knew that Obama was coached long ago by communists—the so called gray pony tail group active in the sixties. Then there was the extremely anti white church of the “reverend Wright” that he attended for twenty years, no doubt like Bill Clinton, he didn’t inhale or in Obama’s case, didn’t listen to a word of what the hateful Wright was preaching. Americans have been asleep so long to those who have been tearing the country down, that it’s doubtful if most of them are even able to distinguish right from wrong any longer. If they finally wake up, they will realize they no longer even have the right to fight for anything. They will simply be required to obey, or else off to a re-education camp or worse. It’s already beginning in some cases where Lockheed Martin is involved.

    • Thanks: GMC
    • Replies: @Alden
  127. @Patrick McNally

    Every day, I lean closer to believing Covid-19 was lab-created by the same people who brought us the Miracle of the Two Planes, Three Skyscrapers and for the same reasons the world was blessed with the Treaty of Versailles and with the same goals Jacob Schiff had in funding Leon Trotsky.

    And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: Deut 7:16

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, anarchyst
  128. @Achmed E. Newman

    Hundreds of broken tools, broken toys, and falling-apart clothing beg to differ with you on this one.

    You’re too right. A relative bought me a pair of Chinese-made shoes as a gift. They were 75% off Skechers. She forgot to look at the label – they had synthetic/leather uppers. Within 3 months the upper layer was spalling off the under layer of the synthetic portions. I didn’t wear them in winter, and resumed wearing them in spring. They were only ever subject to light use. I threw them out when my left big toe went through the synthetic upper part of the shoe. They had lasted 15 months.

  129. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    As I’m sure many commenters here know from the crazy Russiagate nonsense, if you totally control the mainstream media, you can get people to believe the most ridiculous things

    If one is struck with a hard to see blade by a child who does not back off and screams ‘Please don’t stab me again’, it does not really matter what bystanders think, one is going to get kinetic somehow. A country with a full spectrum of escalatory options available for just such a contingency would not, could not, remain in diplomatic mode and no one would expect it to either. That’s realism.

    Trump was right; as a property magnate he knows about location. The only place in the world where the coronaviruses were tuned to infect human cells and the original Covid-19 outbreak have propinquity , therefore some kind of bio-error at the Wuhan Institute of Virology or–very, very much less likely–a very powerful cabal within US Deep State trying to make it look like that is what happened are a prime suspects (I think Ralph Baric would have had to have been in on an attack though). Suspects is a strong enough term, because Wuhan is a wealthy city and traffic in pangolins, which Wade does not mention, was very intense and may underlie the formation of a chimerical virus better able to infect human cells, but the city is very remote from any of the relevant bats, except for the ones at the institute.

  130. @Realist

    Absolutely Realist. The reason I still use the two party distinction when discussing or attempting to analyze politics is to keep score, so to speak. Which of these two bogus parties is selling out Americans at the moment and who is ahead?….lol

    • Thanks: Realist
  131. @TKK

    You’re just mad that Trump lacked the Charisma and Gigachad energy to have reporters worship him like they do Swinging Dick Joe.

  132. Charlie says:
    @Spect3r

    It’s possible the Chinese do know SARS-COV2 didn’t originate in their lab. They have records of what was going on in Wuhan and as far as I know haven’t been forthcoming with that info. And if the virus is man-made, and it didn’t come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, that leaves open the possibility it was introduced by malign actors, likely Western military/intelligence as Mr. Unz has speculated. But that third possibility – an act of war – would require a response from the Chinese they may be unwilling to pursue, at least for now.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Spect3r
  133. Trinity says:
    @Alden

    It certainly applies to people like Hitler and Muammar Gaddifi and maybe a few others. I used to think Gaddifi was some evil wacko back when he was on good ole Grandpa Reagan’s shit list. Just some crazy third world dictator who wore lots of medals on clownish looking military get up or some other bizarre get up. Come to find out the guy was beloved by his people and did a lot for his nation. He said that if he was removed that Africans would be flooding into Europe. Well, guess what? He was right. Another one that was demonized was another Middle Easterner named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I would listen to some of his speeches and interviews and the guy seemed pretty damn tolerant, fair minded, humble, and had a good deal of character and integrity, not the demonic, salivating little homicidal maniac that wanted to blow Israel off the map that “our” media portrayed him to be. And of course, Hitler, is always portrayed as some raving lunatic. Once I heard someone wrote a story or article that described Hitler would sometimes have meltdowns and crawl around and chew on the carpet. LMAO. You cannot make this shit up, man.

  134. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Actually much more relevant questions would be, “why now?” and “what are the elites planning”?”

    If you ain’t figured that out by now then you are a little slow on the uptake, to put it mildly 🙄

    “Regards” onebornfree

  135. onebornfree says: • Website
    @frontier

    He/she is just another proto- fascist fool spouting their usual cack-handed drivel, a la Mofo Bill and GeeBee.

    “‘Mo [fascist]gubmint, mo’ [fascist]gubmint, ‘mo [fascist] gubmint! is all you’ll ever get from the likes of them. It never ends.🤮

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: frontier
    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Mefobills
    , @frontier
  136. The ruling class wasn’t “wrong.”

    They knew exactly what they were doing.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  137. Alden says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Obama was raised by his White communist grandparents and Grandpa Dunham’s best friend quadroon Frank Marshall Davis head of the communist party of Hawaii such as it was.

    FBI had a file on commie grandpa Dunham as far back as1939. When Stalin and Hitler were allies. It looked as though USA would get involved and Dunham worked in a factory that might be converted for war materials.

    The Dunham’s daughter, like many commie daughters of the era was encouraged to have a black child to be groomed as Obama was. The Obama Chicago communist radical connection was his great uncle on the Dunham side of his family. Librarian at the university of Chicago who introduced him around and helped with contacts.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  138. Isn’t it funny how, when China publicly “named the jew” (see here: https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-race-and-ethnicity-anti-semitism-54fd7d8a6b42c6afcfdb3dc2b16f7e0e ), suddenly Fauci, the MSM, and just about everyone else in the West who previously said about Covid, “There’s no evidence that is it lab-made!” now are in unison from the same script mumbling,

    “Wait, wait, I’m having a revelation! The virus…….may…..have……come…….from……a…….. LAB!”

    How convenient! Covid-19 will be officially stamped: “Made in China”.

    And here’s why: China did NOT shy away from the dreaded ‘third rail’ of naming wealthy jewish supremacism as the force controlling the murderous US foreign policy in the ME. No, they picked it up and shook it all around for the WORLD to see, openly challenging America’s jewish supremacist elites, and naming them as those who control the levers of power in America. From that link above:

    “On the Tuesday CGTN broadcast, host Zheng Junfeng questioned whether U.S. support for Israel was truly based on shared democratic values, saying “some people believe that U.S. pro-Israeli policy is traceable to the influence of wealthy Jews in the U.S. and the Jewish lobby on U.S. foreign policy makers.”

    “Jews dominate finance and and internet sectors,” Zheng says, speaking in English. “So do they have the powerful lobbies some say? Possible.”

    Again, immediately after the Chinese ‘naming/shaming the Tribe’, a very noticeable positive uptick in tone and tenor in dealing with Russia, as Nordstream 2 is no longer completely verboten, and the US is (sort of) making nice with Putin. And the MSM is not objecting.

    The difference?

    China openly named the wealthy US jewish supremacists and their iron-fisted control over America’s foreign policy in the ME.

    Russia never will.

    China, by naming the jew, effectively said to the world’s Tribal elites: “We know what you’re doing, and we will openly oppose it. And if you think we’ll let you do the same to us that you did to America, you’re sadly mistaken.”

    In short, China threw down the gauntlet, challenging world Tribal dominance.

    As a result, China has become the blood-enemy of Jewish supremacism world-wide.

    Things are gonna rapidly heat up for China from here.

    And China will be ready.

    Indeed, they’ll be ready, alright. Just like how they quickly shut down the Wuhan lab false flag bio-attack launched against them, that has since devastated the West.

    Let’s hope the Chinese finally shut down the Tribe’s endless murderous crap with a simple, quiet message to the leadership in Tel-Aviv: “Start anything serious with us (i.e., war/nukes) and we’ll immediately make Israel a glass parking lot, along with Wall Street, Hollywood, City of London, Basel, and all your little hidey-holes around the world. We KNOW where you live (and where you hide…….) Remember: two can play at the ‘Samson Option’ game…….”

    Lastly, I wonder what Russia will do when the chorus in the West against China for having ‘unleashed ‘ the Wu-Flu reaches fever pitch?

    (Sadly, I’ll bet we don’t have long to wait to find out……. ) 🙁

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  139. @Alden

    The vast majority of public school teachers are white and female. It is hard to imagine there being real racial animus except against white males. The fact is that the primary and secondary education system functions like any profession run by females — a petty tyranny often led by lesbian incels with the physique and charisma of Neolithic fertility totems.

    https://www.edweek.org/leadership/still-mostly-white-and-female-new-federal-data-on-the-teaching-profession/2020/04

    It is no small wonder students graduate with any knowledge given those circumstances. Most don’t, of course.

    Within a decade or two, higher Ed will have completed its transition to the third level of white female educational dominance, and it will be as bloated and useless as the other two levels. I am glad I relocated to China to teach in the university system here. I’m quite sure my research into adaptive AI learning algorithms would’ve been buried on accusations that the programs are too misogynist and racist against white women.

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Getaclue
    , @Alden
  140. @Alden

    Thank you for this. In any case, the sheer stupidity of the propaganda and crap that the average American citizen has fallen for over the years is really disappointing. The people who founded this country and set up its laws were extremely foresighted for the most part. They warned repeatedly that citizens need to be educated on what their representatives are up to. Representative government can’t survive with Representatives who are sell outs, or to be less kind to them TRAITORS.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @GMC
  141. @Katrinka

    Yes, and the latest Indian variant as well.

    Spike protein to Ace2 binding is the transmission breakthrough which can be leveraged to transmit any combination of pathogen payloads, some combinations much more harmful than others.

    US and the western European variant was the most benign and was primarily designed for triggering socio-economic changes and experimental vaccine acceptance, not genocide.

    US empire’s enemies got the more malignant variants.

    Moderna warned today – “more dangerous variants coming”. So we may not have seen the last act of the greatest crime against humanity yet.

  142. Alden says:
    @HallParvey

    Ideocracy’s on YouTube free don’t even need the premium subscription. Click the little white square to get rid of the ads.

    And for those interested in the recent UFO propaganda blast, so is Mars Attacks 👽👽 🛸 a wonderful movie. 🛸

    What’s next? Perhaps the Coming Ice Age.

  143. Arch Deep State fixer and cover-upper, Philip Zelikow, former Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission will be chairing the COVID Commission Planning Group, according to the University of Virginia, whose Miller Center for Public Affairs will serve as the group’s base to “Help America and the world learn from this pandemic and safeguard against future threats.”

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/80032/911-cover-up-director-appointed-to-chair-covid-cover-up.html

    DO NOT GET COVID SHOT INJECTED …. If you already have and did not get a placebo or last year’s regular flu shot…. then you will get autoimmune HIV type stuff and dementia caused by proteins in your Brain transforming into crystals and prion and plaque structures, if you do not first die from your own body attacking your own heart lungs and other organs.

  144. anonymous[589] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Although Historians continue to debate the issue regarding causes behind Impires collapse; It seems that The American Empire has entered a dangerous period of Imperial decay. It is not international terrorism, climate change, weak military. The causes of the American Empire decay are INTERNAL..open borders without legal regulations, limitless immigration without Civic/political/social/cultural assimilation, Bankrupt US Treasury and debase industrial/manufacturing economy, endless global WARS.. Underlining all those causes is ONE major threat ERODING all CONSTITUTIONAL judicial, institutional, political guarantees. The final blow to the American Social Contract was the MEGA fraud in the 2020 presidential elections well documented and supported by statistical scientific evidence. The current occupant of the White House that seems a mumbling, senile, old man can only mustard a 1% approval ratings and often times less than zero. All of those DEM BLUE attacks on teh Constitution such as packing the courts, open borders, mail in ballots, ballot harvesting, letting PRico,DC become states, exporting tech/industrial jobs will only make the decaying process accelerate even more. There are RED counties pushing to secede and join neighbor red states, states refusing federal immigration mandates, red voters fihting and WINNING local elections to fight so called Critical Race Theory. While the USA is woking/pc the Pentagon and the whole military apparatus with sex/lgbt/race/multiculturalism policies; CHINA is expanding in the South Chinese Sea, closing on Taiwan, building partnerships with Russia, Iran, Venezuela, India?, exploring Mars, and expanding its 5G global empire. Historian has shown that Empires collpased not from without but from within…will the American Empire follow such pattern????

    • Replies: @Bert
  145. @Bro43rd

    Obviously, the Unz-theory is not what this author was claiming so I didn’t bring it up. I remain skeptical of the Unz-theory, but i agree that it is more plausible than the China-did-it-deliberately thesis. At the moment I lean towards this probably being a bureaucratic snafu by a Chinese lab. But maybe later evidence will support Unz.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  146. Schuetze says:
    @As I see it

    “Also very likely there are multiple variations of the bioweapon, with different levels of infectivity and fatality, which are released in different parts of the world at different times to achieve specific strategic objectives.”

    They are also known as “variants”. Certain nations and groups of people are clearly targets. Vaccine deaths are already being misclassified as covid deaths as the PCR cycles are constantly being tweeked to produce the desired narrative. If someone who has been vaccinated dies with a PCR “positive”, who is it that decides if it was a vaccine death or covid death?

    It also seems to me that this entire Wuhan-Flu/Fort Detrich-Flu dialectic is just a form of limited hangout. Different variants likely originate from both labs, and it is all being wargamed in an ongoing event 201.

    The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread.

    • Agree: As I see it
    • Thanks: Theophrastus
  147. GeeBee says:
    @onebornfree

    It never ends

    Rather like your own comment history, which is a perpetual bleating of ‘no gubmint, no gubmint, no gubmint.’

    Our stark choice thus lies between you and us: between Anarchy and Traditionalist governance (of which Fascism/National Socialism were modern attempts to accommodate Traditionalism). The former hasn’t even won its spurs among African savages. The latter, based as it is upon the indissoluble trinity of truth, beauty and goodness, allied to the concepts of noblesse oblige and selfless Paternalism, has delivered benign and stable governance throughout history, if one selects carefully from the too often dismal litany of bad governance (the apotheosis of which is demonstrably that of the contemporary West).

    You’ve had so much valuable information laid upon your plate, but like the spoiled and petulant child Daisy in the ‘Just William’ stories whom you closely resemble, you merely throw your rattle out of your perambulator and then ‘thcweam and thcweam and thcweam until you’re thick’.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  148. Chinese pathogen is a biological WMD.

    • Troll: antibeast
  149. Bert says:
    @Patrick McNally

    I agree that the CCP would not have intentionally leaked SARS-2 right on the doorstep of the Wuhan Institute of Virology as opposed to directly in the U.S., or as you offer, near the U.S.-Mexico border.

    I also think that the Unz hypothesis of a biowarfare attack by the U.S. is frankly ridiculous because the Deep State would have known that the economic damage here would be much greater than in China, given China’s ability to take draconian measures.

    What is clear, as covered by Nicolas Wade, is that the Wuhan Institute was doing gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses supported by the so-called EcoHealth Alliance.

    https://www.ecohealthalliance.org/personnel/dr-peter-daszak

    The EcoHealth Alliance was the funding conduit between the Wuhan Institute and the NIH. Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci allowed this dangerous “work” to be done in China supported by the NIH. They clearly violated fiduciary duty to Americans and everyone else.

    • Replies: @frontier
    , @Passerby60
  150. Refl says:
    @As I see it

    Excess death stats globally, and personal first-hand experiences.

    Well, are there the excess deaths? The last time I looked it up, the worldwide death toll was around three millions, which is extremely low after nearly a year and a half. Strangely, numbers started to rise lately, whereas in the case of a really dangerous infection, they would have to rise in the initial phase and then rise ever less. My impression is, that ever more countries and doctors have been brought in line to go along with the scam. Therefore, the rise in numbers started belatedly.

    As for personal experience: A friend told me lately, that a 23-year old in his family had died of Covid. As anyone can see in the statistics, very few young people are said to have died of it, and even less so in Europe. So, statistically, his report was unlikely.
    I rather think that in his family, a young person met an untimely death and someone spread the rumor. People are like that, sadly.

    Finally, taking the Spanish flu as a reference, that one is said to have killed 20 mio people worldwide over 2 years out of less then 2 billion World Population. That would mean with todays nearly 8 billion a mortality of ~80 million. If you manage to show those dead to me, I will freely admit that I got it wrong.

  151. @GeeBee

    Man, just call it for what it actually is: another kike shill. This one has the function of creating background noises to disrupt discourse.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  152. Bert says:
    @anonymous

    All of the items on your list of wounds to the American Nation were baked into the cake when massive immigration of Ashkenazim began 140 years ago.

  153. Alfred says:
    @republic

    Armstrong spent 11 years in jail, he must have gone against the deep state in some way

    He was locked up for “contempt of court”. They wanted him to confess to having stolen hundreds of millions of dollars that no one had lost. He was only released because his case went to the Supreme Court.

    They did try to kill him in prison. They put a murderer in with him. The guards did not intervene until they thought that Armstrong was dead.

    His prosecutor was later given a job by Goldman Sachs. They confiscated his computers to try and work out how his program worked.

    Long story.

    Try to watch the movie “The Forecaster”. It was banned from theaters in the USA.

  154. skrik says:
    @Refl

    Can anyone enlighten me, why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop??

    It’s a [pre-planned, with malice aforethought] bioweapon against China [with gruesome effects on many individual victims], not a ‘lab leak.’ As good as nothing happens ‘without cause;’ WIV was set up [IMHO by covert ZUSA perpetrators], and since the plan has [sadly but predictably] gone astray, most of the whole planet must suffer. rgds

  155. Mefobills says:
    @last straw

    Wade’s “furin cleavage theory” rests on shaky ground.

    Why is it shaky ground?

    Evolution can make a jump. The furin cleavage site could be natural evolution, but it appears more man made. There aren’t any intermediate stages in nature showing the smaller step evolution of this jump.

    I guess it depends on your interpretation.

  156. Getaclue says:
    @Joe Wong

    The WHO is a joke — run by an “ex” Communist Revolutionary with an extremely shady background and just a NWO Great Reset operation that Bill Gates basically pulls the strings on…they do nothing for anyone’s “health” — just the opposite:

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-true-agenda-of-the-who-a-new-world-order-modeled-after-china/

  157. Getaclue says:
    @Patrick McNally

    It may have got out early but it is now obvious NWO Fauci was involved in getting the Gain Of Function research there and that the Gates Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation “gaming” and planning for it shows that they were going to let it out at some point to bring in the Great Reset thru Medical Martial Law (not just ChiComs but all kinds of NWO creeps involved) — may have got out before they could make it more lethal — there is zero doubt that the NWO types were all in on it at every level and ready to spring into action as we saw with the “Models”/lockdowns/masks and other bs that had zero to do with anyone’s “health”, the lies were and are like a blizzard —

    The NWO “Experts”/lackeys are in every country, control the Mainslime Media completely, and are working against the Peons to “depopulate” and enslave them –who are, of course, clueless and even cheering it on (as they roll up their sleeves for the long planned “vaccines”/poisons) — as we even witness here on UNZ unfortunately where you would think people were a bit better informed/intelligent….

  158. Getaclue says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Many of these loons exhibit what would have been diagnosed as female “hysteria” in years past — to see them in videos is hard to stomach — they were also gleefully joining in with the burning down of small businesses during the last year and often in the front lines attacking the Police….All of them products of “College Educations” — they use “Feminism” to get unfair advantages they don’t deserve/earn (often combining it seems lies about being “minorities” or “Native Americans”….) and they have destroyed Western Civilization in large part — as things totally fall apart in the USA their power will greatly decrease — they can only flourish in a system that is not reality based, lack of food and basic services will bring “reality” into play very much as same hits the USA in the very near future….

  159. Mefobills says:
    @onebornfree

    “‘Mo [fascist]gubmint, mo’ [fascist]gubmint, ‘mo [fascist] gubmint! is all you’ll ever get from the likes of them. It never ends.🤮

    Please keep up the good work, as you are a foil for me to play against.

    Comparison and Contrast is good for UNZ readers. One of my objectives is to expose lolbertarianism for the failed ideology that it is. Unz readers are welcome to compare your comment history to mine, or GeeBee’s. They are welcome to enjoy the banter between a lolbertarian (you and libertarian liberalism) vs conservative/traditionalism that I represent.

    Since you are demoralized (unable to update your brain), I am confident that you will continue to serve as a useful idiot.

    Demoralization is an important method that clown world depends on.

  160. Ron Unz says:
    @Charlie

    And if the virus is man-made, and it didn’t come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, that leaves open the possibility it was introduced by malign actors, likely Western military/intelligence as Mr. Unz has speculated. But that third possibility – an act of war – would require a response from the Chinese they may be unwilling to pursue, at least for now.

    Although that might be one of the reasons the Chinese are keeping quiet, I’d tend to disagree. The evidence seems overwhelming that it was a rogue operation, probably by some of the Deep State Neocons that Trump foolishly appointed to the top levels of his national security apparatus. Anyway, America has now suffered *vastly* more than China, so I think we’ve already “punished” ourselves more than they possibly could. Here’s the analogy I used back in February 2020, before almost any Americans had died:

    Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to “teach them a lesson.”

    But the victimized family smells smoke, wakes up, and using heroic effort puts the fire out with only fairly minor damage.

    Meanwhile, the fire spreads back to the teenager’s own house, and since the family is too lazy and incompetent to bother doing anything, the house catches on fire and burns to the ground, killing several relatives and leaving everyone homeless.

    Under such a scenario, wouldn’t it be more sensible for the attacked family to just quietly gloat a little and maybe offer condolences rather than to plot further vengeance?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/arguably-wrong-potential-american-deaths-range-from-5k-to-5-million/#comment-3772963

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  161. Thim says:

    Wrong lab, Welton. Look closer to Maryland and Wisconsin.

  162. @Alfred

    Whilst the globalists and their media organs keep the debate regarding the origins of “the virus” alive, so they keep the whole “deadly pandemic pathogen” narrative alive, and even add to its “credibility”, despite all of the many, many flaws in the narrative.

    Worryingly, we’re stuck with this insanity for some time to come.

    • Agree: Alfred
  163. Trinity says:

    Lets blame everyone but ((( you know who))) for the virus.

    I would be willing to bet the Samson Option is horseshit as well. Just another lie for the gullible goy to swallow hook, line and sinker. I got five on it. hehe. IF I lose the bet I will send that five to that girl wanting money for all those surviving holocaust victims left in Russia and starving to death. Funny thing about that commercial, it is supposed to be very cold, the girl shilling for shekels is bundled up with a big ole jacket and all, but no frost is coming out of her mouth as she talks. Go figure.

    Now you can send 45 dollars to muh Israel courtesy of the same organization for all those Israelis who recently lost their homes to those bombs that invaded Israel. I hear tell that girl is allegedly the daughter of the rabbi who used to do these lets make a deal videos, is raking in 7 figures for these commercials. Couldn’t she write a check herself and help those poor old ladies who are starving in Russia, Russia, Russia?

    Maybe that girl can start raising a go fund me to help Israeli scientists find a cure all vaccination for every kind of virus under the Sun. Give, Give, Give, Goy, Give To You Can Give No Mo’. lololol

  164. Rotfl

    Jews treat info in the US like Zionists control water in the West Bank. They control and manipulate it.
    Like oligarch Noah in CHINATOWN.

  165. @Schuetze

    Aerosolized sprays at hand-picked venues most likely.

    Starting with nursing homes, long-term care facilities in Western countries where the most benign bioweapon variant was sprayed which can damage only the old and immunocompromised.

    MSM propaganda on ‘super spreader’ events, 23 of Iran’s parliamentarians being targeted right at the beginning, and then Indian variant conveniently lying dormant for a year and resurrecting precisely during Modi’s election campaigns, all seem to indicate that specific venues and gatherings were targeted.

    Entire human-to-human transmission, especially asymptomatic transfer, was a charade to push masks, lockdown and experimental vaccines. That was the psyop part of the operation.

    Very clever and very evil.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Schuetze
  166. Mefobills says:
    @HeebHunter

    It is kike shilling because the ideology was invented by Jews. But just telling a libertarian that they are following jewish ideology doesn’t work, they make up excuses in their mind. Ayn Rand was a good jew and one hot woman.

    The problem is that the ideology is up-taken readily by Americans, especially those who believe in the rough-riding individual. Since America uses free-dumb bombs and democracy to convert the world into vassals, then it is important to attack libertarian ideas as being bankrupt.

    Never mind that the libertarian individual was born naked into the world, and his parents gave him succor and sustenance, as a free gift. Never mind that the sun, wind, and energy of the earth is given as a free gift. This individual can stand on his own as he did it all himself!

    This “individualism and materialism” that is coded into DNA of lolbertarianism finds a sympathetic audience in my fellow Texans. They uptake it like a fish to water.

    I’m surrounded by idiots who are just like one-born-free-dumb, who are unable to extend what they see around them into the greater world. They cannot think outside of their box.

    Texas to some extent allows extreme individualism because it has lots of land. The government stays small because it is only allowed to meet every two years (Biennially) so typically only good governance ideas can survive the two year gauntlet. And even then, new legislation must pass during a 120 day window.

    The land is also taxed, which is somewhat in accordance with Georgist principles, and prevents run-away government filled with rent seekers. California is a good example of what not to do, with an ever present government filled with blue haired women trying to liberalize the world.

    If I try to explain these nuances to Lolbertarians, it flies over their heads. They think that economy is magic, and if you just leave things alone, and use gold for money, then everything will work out. Anarchy is good.

    Free Markets are perfect predictors of price, and other assorted BS comes out of their mouths.

    Calling them a kike lover doesn’t work, because many of them have never seen a Jew and will not know what you are talking about. Remember, for the most part they are simpletons.

    Reagan and Thatcher were lolbertarians, and look what they and their “free market” finance capitalism yielded?

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  167. @TKK

    I don’t get this obsession with being pro-China.

    I don’t get this jew obsession with having to designate anyone and everyone as being pro or anti-China. It’s not possible to be neutral?

    The Chinese don’t give a red penny about us or any other American’s well being.

    What a ridiculous thing to say. What do you expect them to do for you, wipe your butt?

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  168. @Mr. Allen

    I personally buy the lab theory mainly because we don’t find intermediates in nature.

    Out of 6 pathogenic coronavirus, only 2 have clear origins. So contrary to what Wade suggests, it does not mean much that the intermediate host for SARS-CoV-2 has not been found yet.

    Even if SARS-CoV-2 jumped from bats or other animals to humans outside of a lab, as Dr. Garry suspects, it will be hard to find airtight proof for that pathway. When animals die, they take their viruses with them.

    While scientists have fairly good evidence for how two coronaviruses — the cause of SARS and MERS — jumped from bats to humans, the origins of the other four coronaviruses that infect humans remain a mystery.

    “Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t,” Dr. Garry said. “It can take decades.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/health/wuhan-coronavirus-lab-leak.html

  169. @Mefobills

    Why is it shaky ground?

    • Replies: @skrik
  170. chrimony says:
    @Refl

    Regardless of details that are to complicated for this small brain of mine: the mortality is low, has always been low and by no means justifies the measures taken.

    Agreed. But even though the risks were overblown, that doesn’t mean the whole thing is a psyop. Machiavellians never let a crisis go to waste.

    If I were to accept the bioweapon/lab leak story, I would have to accept that the virus is a real danger, which it is not.

    No, you don’t. The simplest answer is that a novel coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab. The same lab that has been doing gain of function research on coronaviruses since at least 2015: “Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.”

    Now, the virus hit old and sickly people the hardest (no surprise), but it wasn’t the world-ending threat it was made out to be. Of course it was scary when it first came out, and there were a lot of unknowns about the true mortality, but we have a lot of data by now, and even with overcounting, it just isn’t that scary. But what is scary are these labs running around doing gain-of-function research and creating the next pandemic. This one wasn’t that bad, but what about the next one?

    Can anyone enlighten me, why it is unthinkable that the bioweapon/lab leak story is just part of the psyop??

    You can think whatever you like. I keep it in the realm of possibility, but I think the simplest explanation is a lab leak.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @JasonT
  171. The sudden dramatic collapse of the elite-enforced Narrative that Covid-19 could not possibly have originated in a Chinese laboratory is one of the most extraordinary developments in modern political history

    Have you been huffing solvents, Lance? This whole media debate on the “origins of covid” is nothing more than the latest scheme to prop up the lie that there is a killer plague virus on the loose.

    It’s obvious that “covid19” originated in the imagination of someone who wants to institute an overthrow of civilization. The virus is imaginary. You, Unz and the rest of the debaters would be arguing over the consistency of rainbow hued Skittles that emerge from the asshole of a unicorn if there hadn’t been a covid hoax to get you stirred up.

    • LOL: JasonT
  172. FedUp says:
    @Schuetze

    @Schuetze, it’s cool you used the (quite accurate) term “semitically correct.” That said, no one on the outside can know with 100% certainty about world events, but it seems most people on this thread are missing a major point.

    Where did the classical Influenza virus go over the last couple years? This covid 19 is said to have emerged, and Influenza all but disappears?

    Either way, we see the problems with being ruled by pathological/compulsive liars. Reminds one of the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.” They got us obsessing about & fiercely arguing over nonsense….total confusion. And it benefits them regardless.

    We’re busy worrying about whether some quite harmless (in of itself, thus far) contagion came from a lab or whether it’s actually just a rebranded Influenza instead of focusing on fixing this mess by fighting them.

    The endless talking is to stop Aryans from engaging in effective opposition.

    • Agree: Schuetze
  173. Malla says:
    @As I see it

    There are conspiracy theories in India of either China or the Biden administration unleashing this new variant on India. Unlike the earlier Trump administration, the Biden administration is seen as an enemy by the Indian masses. China is always seen as an enemy trying to undermine India.
    I do not give these theories much weight because their main proponents as pro-Modi Hinduvadis, who I know are idiots.

    • Replies: @As I see it
  174. @chrimony

    The simplest answer is that a novel coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab.

    And the most likely answer is that it did not.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  175. Skeptikal says:
    @last straw

    “, though they said the so-called lab leak theory was still unlikely. ”

    Well, yeah, they are gonna say that, right?

    Back-pedaling, not recanting: “Actually, we were/are probably right.”

    Letting the hot air out of the balloon slowly . . . Bring it down so slowly that no one notices . . .

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  176. @Dystopian

    There is good evidence that the NIH along with health agencies in other countries were subsidizing the study of SARS CoV2 (sic) at the Wuhan lab. Although that does not prove the Wuhan lab released the virus, it does show Chinese complicity.

    On the contrary it would show nothing of the kind. There is a legitimate reason to study coronaviruses and just because the Wuhan lab may have been doing some kind of work with some coronaviruses (regardless of where some of the funding may have come from) that hardly implies “complicity” in any crime.

    If you add in the fake videos released by the CCP of people dropping dead in the street in Wuhan it is almost guaranteed that they were also complicit. I understand why you don’t trust U.S. government explanations but the CCP is no more credible.

    Nonsense; it is the U.S. “government” that is stonewalling the effort to investigate the origin of SARS-CoV-2, not the Chinese government.

  177. chrimony says:
    @Harold Smith

    And the most likely answer is that it did not.

    Did you read the Nicholas Wade article? Where’s your refutation of all the points raised?

  178. Skeptikal says:
    @Psychotic Break

    OK, that is a line of logic worth pursuing, or considering.

    Man-made garbage in, only man-made garbage can fight it.

    Although actual statistics on death, comorbidities, recovery rates, etc. don’t seem to provide cost-benefit evidence that the jabs are worth the trouble.

    Plenty of people have successfully fought off the man-made-garbage-in 1.0 without the “help” of man-made-garbage-in 2.0.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  179. Hempus says:

    Since AIDS you dont need an “existing” virus to create an epidemic. You only need a “new” Test (usually testing a mix of gen sequences of old death stock viruses in a new variation. Remember: First was HIV 1, then HIV 2, and so on, you know ..the new variations.
    Only the test is spreading around. Its the super spreader!
    If, on the beginning of the AIDS theory they would have instead of testing the gay people… going around and have tested the old people in nursing homes the whole narrative would going down the river. Imagine the headline: Epidemic Sex Plague cursing in nursing homes.
    Remember, Poison Dwarf Dr. Fauci was also the buddy of Dr. Robert Gallo! He is THE expert and in the right position of creating fake pandemics which makes hughe profits for the big Pharma.

    But this time also the Chinese CDC under the lead of DR GAO ( an expert for Bats viruses) is fully in it! The whole “theater” in Wuhan is something like the “Boston bombing show” You make a simulation, a drill which turned “live” and then you hunt the declared “terrorists”….for which you have already created a test month before the Show. Of course the media, politicians, WHO, Depopulation Pope Bill Gates, and a lot of other deep state creatures are on it too.
    Sure, people die because of very wrong treatment. Panicking people are treated like having a deadly virus in their respiratory system….hanging them on respiratory machines which ends mostly fatal.
    Trump was a bit naive to let GM produce respiratory machines in warp speed. Most of them ended up in India or Brazil ….only blind people do not see the harm what such a wrong treatment does.
    Hopefully the investigation of the “leaked weaponised virus” leads to the result that there was no isolated virus spreading around…..just a simulation which went live. Its a self fulfilling prophesy….simulated at the “Event 201” at the WEF in New York Oktober 2019….simulating a virus breakout in Wuhan!

  180. Skeptikal says:
    @St-Germain

    I am always somewhat put out with Global Research because they send one to Facebook for any comments. Why do they continue to patronize FB?

    Anyhow, Hopkins’s essay is pretty funny, and pretty scary.
    Frankly, I don’t dare go to Germany.

    Historical note, re “the New Normal”: The early Nazi Party program was branded “the New Germany.” Both programs are radical, as pointed out by Milton Mayer, the author of “They Thought They Were Free,” which Hopkins mentions. Very interesting. I am reading it right now. So far I highly recommend it.

    After the Great War and Versailles, Germany was on its ass. No news there. But per Mayer the Germans were ready for a radical program. He discusses this intelligently.

    Which raises the obvious question: Are we in the West ready for a new radical program? If not now, what would have to happen for that readiness to develop? Many people have speculated that the Covid Operation is a softening-up operation/phase.

    • Replies: @St-Germain
  181. Miro23 says:
    @Rooster11

    If the MSM is now admitting that the virus could have been leaked from the Wuhan lab, my only question is: what are they really trying to hide?!

    Firstly the MSM loses a lot of credibility with this change of direction. Facebook and Twitter were even censoring “Lab leak” posts.

    Combine that with the 180º turn on Putin and Nord Stream 2 and it’s even worse. In March Putin was a “Killer” and Nord Stream had to be urgently stopped – but a month later -Putin is invited for talks and Nord Stream is perfectly OK.

    There has to have been a radical change in the (invisible) background environment over the last few weeks to justify these costly decisions.

    For what it’s worth, I think that they’ve decided on war with China (first False Flagging it) and want the Russians to stay neutral. The “Lab leak” is or course the first step to “discovering” that China is attacking the US with Covid-19. I’m just sorry for the 1.600 British sailors of the HMS Queen Elizabeth who are probably going to the bottom of the South China Sea for the same reason that the 3.000 Americans were incinerated in the WTC towers.

    • Replies: @Rooster11
  182. @Ron Unz

    Unz, like your bullshit position on immigration, you are in an imbecilic manner attributing a conspiracy to the stupid US government that it does not have the competence to carry out.

    Covid is due to its fuck up… mmmkay?

    Fauci, in his role as savior sees himself as saving the world by conducting this stupid gain of function research… he is told no… he then subcontracts it out to Ecohealth alliance which sends it to China which is more than happy to make a buck and advance its own country’s ability at science…

    It escapes… they fucked up… bodies start dropping IN WUHAN…

    You and your stupid theories and bullshit about immigration.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Passerby60
  183. @chrimony

    Did you read the Nicholas Wade article?

    Yes.

    Where’s your refutation of all the points raised?

    By refusing to consider the possibility that the virus was in the U.S. before it was in China (and that it therefore could’ve originated in the U.S.), Wades’s article refutes itself. It’s nothing more than a propaganda piece.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @chrimony
  184. JasonT says:
    @chrimony

    For the simplest and probably most correct answer, see Post 169 by “As I see it”.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  185. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    If Mr Unz’s view that this was a biowarfare attack against China and Iran by the US is correct then blaming the Wuhan lab is the fallback position. Perhaps there’s even a setup involved: release it in an area where a lab is known to be researching this very virus so people draw a connection. Pay the lab for some enhancement research to make sure the story is out there, that they were dabbling with this and other similar things in the neighborhood of the outbreak. There may also have been a decision taken that the US will collide with China before any other of the usual bogeyman, a ‘go south’ faction getting the upper hand. One has to read between the lines since we’re all living in a house of lies. None of this is by accident so the ‘why now’ question is apt.

  186. One almost immediately suspected a bio-warfare attack by the USA or Israel because they maintain a VAST bio-warfare Establishment (>200 labs around the world)have form, are actively researching coronaviruses, HATE China with genocidal racist fury, and have been attacking China with propaganda, terrorist separatists, economic warfare and several previous biological assaults (ie African Swine Fever, bird flus, fall army worms etc). Then the outbreak hits the Iranian leadership and the genome was released, showing that this is a chimeric virus with an unnatural insert, not known from the parent viruses, that codes for a furin cleavage site, making it more transmissible.
    So by March, April 2020 we knew that it was a bio-warfare attack on China by the reckless Imperial psychopaths like cane-toad Pompeo. Naturally every single invertebrate, parasite presstitute in the Western fakestream media knew that putting that down in print would end their careers, perhaps their lives. Not that the editors would allow it. And, after decades of shifting ever further Right, most fakestream media vermin are typical Rightists themselves, hence vicious racists who despise the ‘Yellow Peril’ as much as their Bosses do.
    The ‘natural origin’ malarkey was to hide US responsibility, NOT Chinese. The current upsurge of deranged and truly Evil racist hysteria simply shows that, China having overcome the attack, and it rebounding, whether planned or accidental, on the US and the world, a new tack is required, so the media regurgitate ‘intelligence’ lies YET AGAIN, unquestioningly, and the genocidal racist frenzy is driving us ever closer to Armageddon. The Fermi Paradox resolved.

    • Agree: Harold Smith
  187. frontier says:
    @Bert

    the Unz hypothesis of a biowarfare attack by the U.S. is frankly ridiculous because the Deep State would have known that the economic damage here would be much greater than in China

    Uh, what economic damage? To whom? The top 0.1% roughly doubled their wealth in the past year while their smaller competitors got crushed. Are you trying to tell me that the top 0.1% didn’t want that to happen? Really, REALLY?

    • Agree: As I see it
  188. @chrimony

    Did Wade ONCE mention Fort Detrick, AMRIID, US research on coronaviruses and ‘Gain of Function (ie Lethality)’ research, the archipelago of >200 US bio-warfare bases scattered around the world, or the active US campaign to collective bat coronaviruses from places such as South East Asia, Kazakhstan and China itself? If not, his is a pile of disinfo shite.

  189. @Malla

    Even idiots can be right sometimes.

    They might be right in thinking a dangerous variant was unleashed on India a couple of months ago, but they might be wrong to think that China had anything to do with it.

    More likely explanation is ZioUSA is preparing for a war against China.

    An important step in that preparation is antagonizing India against China by stepping up the lab-leak propaganda, and giving them US-manufactured vaccine at the right time. The narrative will be – “China virus killed Indians, but ZioUSA vaccines saved them” – ensuring India stays on the ZioUSA side in the ensuing war.

  190. chrimony says:
    @JasonT

    For the simplest and probably most correct answer, see Post 169 by “As I see it”.

    It’s dumb. The virus was already spreading in Wuhan well before it hit the US. Iran was hit early and can be traced to Chinese projects with Chinese workers in Iran. Same thing in northern Italy. Nursing homes make the news because of their high death totals because of the elderly, many of whom only last a year or two before exiting stage left anyways.

    All the evidence points to a lab leak out of Wuhan.

    • Disagree: antibeast, Theophrastus
    • Replies: @JasonT
    , @antibeast
  191. anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    It looks likely the virus originated in Maryland.

  192. Alden says:
    @Supply and Demand

    I should have written White teachers instead of White women teachers as all White teachers students clerks and administrators were and are abused by vicious feral black students and black teachers clerks and employees.

    Blame a White man President Carter for establishing the lesbian Jew communist run Federal department of education. Billions of dollars thousands of employees and doesn’t run a single school or do anything at all but impose Critical race theory and hatred of Whites.

    Most countries have national departments of education. Departments that run schools from preschool to university. Departments established in the 19th century to establish the national school system.

    But the American federal ED department doesn’t run schools, doesn’t establish new schools, doesn’t provide teachers or funds or anything for the schools the lesbian communist Jew and black militants are supervise.

    America’s no country for White men. Have you been following changes in the military? Looks as though, not the lesbians have taken it over. DOJ is presently searching the social media emails credit card billings of every soldier for heresy. Said heresy including voting for the incumbent President November 2020 election.

    I really believe that if Trump had won in 2020 he would have shortly been assassinated; with the ardent cooperation of the anti White military.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  193. render says: • Website

    Rrench prof. Fourtillian with high credentials put into mental hospital, Soviet style, following his statements about the present corona-virus as lab-made and the “vaccines” as destructive:

    http://d.p.h.free.fr/covid19/docs/TRUTH_about_Covid-19_and_Covid-19_Vaccines.pdf

    https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2020-12-11----a-doctor-seen-in-%22hold-up%22-hospitalized-in-psychiatry--it-is-true–.BJNcXdrZ3D.html

    He pointed out to the former colleagues of Montagnier, at the Pasteur Institute ,Paris

  194. @Mefobills

    I believe that the furin cleavage site is coded by four base pairs, a change that is highly unlikely, near unknown, to have come from ‘natural’ mutation. And the furin cleavage site has long been studied in Gain of Function research. Plus the USA/Israel WOULD do it, but I very much doubt that the Chinese would. Why research a mutation that cannot occur in Nature? Unless it is defensive work in preparation for an INEVITABLE US bio-warfare attack, all else but genocidal aggression having failed to ‘..bring China down’.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  195. Truth is truth. Truth seekers want truth, period. To hell with what “the elite” thinks…or says. The elites are (to quote some Dude 2000 years ago) “of their father, the devil.”

  196. @chrimony

    I read it, too. Did you not notice that, beginning with its title

    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    the article without acknowledgement much less justification restricts any discussion of provenance to China?

  197. Race
    Economics
    History
    Social policy
    Religion
    Heredity

    That would be my short list.

    They also aren’t very good at picking restaurants.

  198. Rooster11 says:
    @Miro23

    I don’t think the about face by the MSM on these topics hurts them one bit… it should, but it won’t. The people who digest the stories put out by the MSM aren’t exactly “critical thinkers”, there’s no reflection on their behalf that a few months ago these topics were verboten and now they’re to be widely accepted.

    In regards to China, I don’t think we go to war with them, because this entire administration is bought and paid for by them. Biden’s 90 day report will close the lid on any Chinese involvement, providing a nice and neat official investigative conclusion that the world can accept, and everyone will move forward never to question it again. Then it will be onto the next crises, here are the front runners: Trump criminal probe, infrastructure collapse, imminent climate catastrophe, food shortages, and my personal favorite – fake alien invasion.

  199. vinteuil says:
    @last straw

    Even NYT admits that the lab leak theory is unlikely

    LOL

    China’s version of Hasbara is so, so pathetic.

  200. @Alden

    I should have written White teachers instead of White women teachers as all White teachers students clerks and administrators were and are abused by vicious feral black students and black teachers clerks and employees.

    White women dominate the public schools and know full well what the truth is.

    As much as they hate being victimized they also support the great lie.

    They watch as White kids are bullied but still believe that society needs to lie and tolerate the abuse.

    Only once have we seen someone spill the beans and it was a White male.

    Nothing is stopping these White women from blogging anonymously. The reality is that they don’t want to. In their minds we have to submit to the great lie or else the world might as well end. White women have a harder time with thinking critically about the long term health of society vs short term emotional gains from lying. They are wired to nurture and liberals take advantage of this.

  201. If it’s a foregone conclusion that the official story is always some kind of manipulation, it shouldn’t be encouraging that they’re now pushing a story that you agree with.

    Do you really think that the truth defeated the conspiracy? Seems more reasonable to assume that the conspiracy found a way to use your explanation to their advantage.

    So one way or another, you ended up working for them.

  202. “Mother Nature is to blame –she holds many secrets. This virus was NOT made—-scientists have ruled this out –if it were man made its coding is easy to see and evident. Mother Nature played a good trick –likely mink in Europe. Just like pro wrestling Gomez—when fans were yelling at the referee —he became distracted and the victor lost —Now ===Again that Mother Nature and her out of order tectonic sons playing under the poles and ocean depths —real origin of global warming –happened before but society was too stupid to respond and Greta had not been hatched yet “—–and Mr. Conundrum knows his facts.

  203. Under the rule of JSP, or Jewish Supremacist Power…

    We get

    Fake Narrative: 9/11 and WMD

    Fake Economy: Dot.com Bubble, Housing Bubble, Wall Street bailouts, ‘Quantitative’ Greasing

    Fake Religion: Globo-Homo and Queertianity

    Fake News: Russia Collusion

    Fake Populism: MAGA

    Fake Scandal: Ukraine Deal

    Fake Enemy: Russia-Russia-Russia or China-China-China

    Fake Patriotism: Israel First!

    Fake Pandemic: Covid will kill us all!!

    Fake Free Speech: “We are for free speech unless you disagree with us.”

    Fake Jobs: Diversity manager, Diversity adviser, Diversity director, Diversity inspector, etc.

    Fake Science: Masks don’t work, Masks do work, it came from bats, it came from a lab, etc.

    Fake Panic: BLM and ‘cops are mowing blacks in the street’

    Fake History: 1619 project and ‘systemic racism’

    Fake Saint: George Floyd

    Fake Election: ‘Baseless accusations of election fraud’

    Fake President: “Me got choco-cone ice cream, goo.”

    Do anyone get anything real? Well, Jews got real power, real money, real identity, and real nationalism.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  204. @Mefobills

    But just telling a libertarian that they are following jewish ideology doesn’t work, they make up excuses in their mind. Ayn Rand was a good jew and one hot woman.

    For whatever reason they think she was Christian or at least supported Christian values.

    In reality she mocked Christianity and openly admired child killer William Hickman.
    http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/romancing-the-stone-cold.html

    If I try to explain these nuances to Lolbertarians, it flies over their heads. They think that economy is magic, and if you just leave things alone, and use gold for money, then everything will work out.

    Yea still waiting for that magic to fix Haiti.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  205. @stonewall jackson

    The Ruling Class wants to destroy America and is willing to lie via its tools in the press to cover that up. Their misstatements of fact aren’t errors. They are lies.

  206. durd says:
    @Beagle

    Or that Fauci said in 2017 “That the Trump administration would face a surprise disease outbreak”

    The use of ‘would’ instead of ‘may’ or ‘might’ means to me that he was aware of a planned event rather than predicting with full assuredness that a natural disease event would happen in the next three years.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  207. frontier says:
    @onebornfree

    I’m no libertarian but I’m pretty sure libertarians can accept the truth without difficulty and much more readily than hypnotized Mefogees. Unfortunately, due to human nature, this particular cult is very hard to extract from the hole the dig themselves into…

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  208. @Robert Dolan

    The ruling class wasn’t “wrong.”

    They knew exactly what they were doing.

    First thing I thought as well. The “elites” have an idea where they want their hoaxes and other lies to take us but can’t plan for every scenario.

    To wit: early Trump.

    • Agree: Miro23
  209. JasonT says:
    @chrimony

    The man-made pathogen (i.e., the virus) was released by the globalist deep state through their U.S. proxies in China and Iran and probably Venezuela and Cuba. China and Cuba dealt with the problem efficiently, being used to such attacks, while Iran and Venezuela, while being used to globalist deep state interference, were not ready for a bio-attack. A similar attack was done in Moscow when Russia was not playing ball with the deep state program. The man-made pathogen in these countries quickly mutated to less lethal forms, because that is what these man-made pathogens do.

    In the U.S. and most other countries, what is being called COVID-19 is simply the seasonal flu being weaponized by the globalist deep state to take control of the world economy. Outside of the countries mentioned above, COVID-19 is a psy-op supported by a useless PCR test coupled with outright lying from corrupted health (sic) organizations and the officials therein.

    The latest Wuhan lab leak theory is nothing more than propaganda to demonize China in a set up for war. Having failed to bring China and Russia to their knees with the bio-attacks, and with the decoupling of the East from the financial systems of the West, the globalist deep state has nothing left but to foment WW3 to realize their plans for global domination.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  210. T.Rebon says:
    @Rooster11

    what are they really trying to hide?!

    The lies of the medicine sector, the lies of the media sector and the lies of the political sector.

    It is an quite normal flu.

  211. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    This sort of argument has often come up, but the overwhelming control America has over the global media would mean that any sort of Chinese accusations (especially given their lack of hard proof) would be portrayed as “insane.”

    An example of this sort of thing, whereby US/global media is able to dominate the narrative, is how early last year, The Epoch Times and other anti-China outlets, were pushing stories about people were collapsing in the streets of Wuhan as a result of Covid-19, in order to portray the situation in China negatively.

    Now, the narrative among many in the US Right who are opposed to the shutdowns and masking is that the footage of people collapsing in Wuhan last year, which was originally promoted by anti-China media outlets, was actually a deliberate plot by China to push “lockdown propaganda” to devastate the US economy and other economies around the world.

    “CORONA COUP China ‘carried out disinformation campaign to force world economy into lockdown’, says US lawyer in extraordinary theory”

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/1539147/china-tricked-world-economic-suicide-lockdown/

    CHINA may have carried out a massive disinformation campaign to encourage the world to go into lockdown, an American lawyer has extraordinarily claimed.

    Michael Senger suggested the Communist Party promoted nationwide shutdowns in a bid to “cripple rival economies” amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  212. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The evidence seems overwhelming that it was a rogue operation, probably by some of the Deep State Neocons that Trump foolishly appointed to the top levels of his national security apparatus. Anyway, America has now suffered *vastly* more than China, so I think we’ve already “punished” ourselves more than they possibly could. Here’s the analogy I used back in February 2020, before almost any Americans had died: Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to “teach them a lesson.”…

    In this scenario, the ((neocons)) are the psychopathic teenage son.

    I agree with your metaphor, but disagree with you’re suggestion that they should be given a pass. Really, they should be put on trial for crimes against humanity. So why won’t they be?

    Because crimes against humanity came out of the Nuremberg trials:

    The first prosecution for crimes against humanity took place at the Nuremberg trials. Initially being considered for legal use, widely in International Law, following the Holocaust a global standard of human rights was articulated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948. Political groups or states that violate or incite violation of human rights norms, as found in the Declaration, are an expression of the political pathologies associated with crimes against humanity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity

    So the Anglo-Zionist empire came up with the charge, although the concept seems to have originally revolved around recrimination for the slave traded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity#Term_origins _ ). But the Anglo-Zionists (who have a history of being slavers) have assumed the authority and the grand pose of judge, jury and executioner (ironically based upon the specious “Holocaust”) and certainly won’t be bringing charges against themselves, anymore than they will bring charges against themselves for the treason of the 9/11 inside job and consequential crimes against humanity against the Arab world.

    When Anglo-Zionists are the judge, jury and executioner, what hope does the non-Zionist world have for getting a fair trial, let alone for bringing charges against the “system”?

    When the system has been hijacked by Zionists (or should I say, parasitically infiltrated and corrupted in order to do Zionist bidding) what good is it for generic “golem” humanity?

  213. @Greta Handel

    Right?

    Covid 19 came from a lab!!! Don’t worry about all 100+ USA bioweapon labs!!! Let’s focus on the Wuhan lab only!!! Inquiring minds wants to know!!!

    Lol. So much farce.

  214. @Old Brown Fool

    there is no need. Selective reporting would do the trick for the stupid public.

    check this picture out https://yt3.ggpht.com/tMQIj1pmrBLgAvbkRk5-SI8qv4GKsZDi1C78FzSNvsMDQMZO_bGuAHiAMpAvBI1DtJLtfbf_I7-sfA=s680-nd this was an attempt to make it look like the lab is a walled off compound :p

  215. chrimony says:
    @Harold Smith

    By refusing to consider the possibility that the virus was in the U.S. before it was in China (and that it therefore could’ve originated in the U.S.), Wades’s article refutes itself. It’s nothing more than a propaganda piece.

    By refusing to consider the FACTS laid out in the article, your comment refutes itself. You offer no evidence, refute no evidence, other than the possibility that it could have been in the US first, despite the overwhelming evidence ground zero was Wuhan, the same city with the virus lab conducting Frankenstein research on SARS.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  216. antibeast says:
    @chrimony

    The virus was already spreading in Wuhan well before it hit the US. Iran was hit early and can be traced to Chinese projects with Chinese workers in Iran. Same thing in northern Italy. Nursing homes make the news because of their high death totals because of the elderly, many of whom only last a year or two before exiting stage left anyways.

    The Wuhan ‘strain’ is different from the Italian ‘strain’ which disproves the two ‘Out of Wuhan’ theories, either the Wuhan Wet Market or Wuhan Lab Leak theories. Besides, all flights from China had been banned from Italy, USA and much of the Western World as early as Feb 1st 2020, with the few cases of the Wuhan ‘strain’ contained by then as arriving passengers from China were screened and quarantined prior to the flight ban. No new cases of the Wuhan ‘strain’ were reported in Italy since the first week of Feb. 2020 while the Italian ‘strain’ started spreading rapidly in small cities in Northern Italy during the last week of Feb. 2020.

    All the evidence points to a lab leak out of Wuhan.

    Right from the very beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, the USA had FIVE(5) different ‘strains’ which disproves the two ‘Out of Wuhan’ theories. The Wuhan ‘strain’ had no time to spread and mutate into FIVE(5) different ‘strains’ throughout the USA, as Trump had banned all flights from China as early as Feb. 1st 2020.

    All the evidence points to a massive cover-up made possible by feeding the public with the two ‘Out-of-Wuhan’ theories which deflects public attention away from the real culprits.

    • Replies: @chrimony
  217. Escher says:
    @Joe Wong

    Quite a conciliatory tone being adopted by unit 666, or whatever the Chinese hasbara is named.

  218. Kapyong says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “I believe that the furin cleavage site is coded by four base pairs, a change that is highly unlikely, near unknown, to have come from ‘natural’ mutation. “

    Four codons, 12 base-pairs – here is a summary of Wade’s argument about furin :

    The Spike
    The spike protein is the ‘red’ blunt spear object shown poking out from the virus. It has two parts : S1 attaches to a human cell (typically the ACE2 on an airway cell), and the S2 then penetrates so the genome can be injected.

    But the S2 has to be cut (cleaved) from S1 before it can work. All known viruses so far bring their own cleaver mechanism = added complexity. SARS-2 Covid is unique – it has a Furin Cleavage Site.

    Furin Cleaver
    Humans cells have a common cleaver enzyme called furin. A furin cleavage site (FCS) is a string of amino acids PRRA (proline, arganine, arganine, alanine). Furin will cleave at any PRRA sequence it finds.

    As far back as 1992 virologists recognised that using furin would make a virus more deadly. At least 11 gain-of-function experiments (the polite phrase for ‘more dangerous’) have added a FCS to viruses.

    Where From ?
    The origin of SARS-2’s Furin Cleavage Site can only be :
    1) natural mutation(s), 2) recombination from other coronaviruses, 3) genetic engineering.

    1) Natural Mutation ?
    Comparing SARS-2’s genome to the corona family, especially the closest one called RaTG13 shows the FCS to be an insert of twelve bases T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC. The CCT = proline, CGG = arginine twice, and GC starts a GCA for alanine.

    Mutations mostly happen one random base at a time – SARS-1 had about two dozen documented mutations from weak beginning to later more dangerous version. SARS-2 shows no intermediate stages, the twelve bases arrived as a unit. Cosmically unlikely.

    2) Recombination ?
    Beta Corona viruses can share/swap genetic material when they both infect a cell, quite common. But no other corona virus has a FCS. Further – CGG is rare in coronaviruses, double CGG is previously unknown.

    3) Genetic Engineering ?
    The critical T-CCT-CGG-CGG-GC insertion is odd :
    With 64 codons for 20 amino acids, some have multiple codons – arginine can be coded CGU, CGC, CGA, CGG, AGA or AGG.

    The FCS uses CGG for arginine which is UNcommon in viruses, but common in humans. Only 5% of SARS-2 arginine’s codons are CGG. Labs typically use human versions, so a lab origin better matches than a natural one.

    • Thanks: some_loon, Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @KA
  219. chrimony says:
    @antibeast

    The Wuhan ‘strain’ is different from the Italian ‘strain’ which disproves the two ‘Out of Wuhan’ theories, either the Wuhan Wet Market or Wuhan Lab Leak theories.

    Nonsense. Viruses are highly mutable. People populations are incubators for virus evolution. The strain is from the original.

    Besides, all flights from China had been banned from Italy, USA and much of the Western World as early as Feb 1st 2020, with the few cases of the Wuhan ‘strain’ contained by then as arriving passengers from China were screened and quarantined prior to the flight ban.

    You mean as LATE as Feb. 2020, considering this virus was already spreading in China in November 2019. Too little, too late.

    • Disagree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @antibeast
  220. Schuetze says:
    @As I see it

    In June of 2020 Trump gave his Rose Garden Speech about George Floyd and all the BLM and Antifa riots. Shortly afterwards almost the entire section seated on the right side, full of Republicans, and including Trump, came down with “covid-19”. Trump went through an intense anti-biotic therapy and then one of his Jewish Buddies, who is CEO of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, convinced Trump to allow himself to be pumped up with all kinds of hormones and other things including stem cells from “humanized mice”. No one ever stated officially if any adenochrome was involved.

    Thereafter Trump had a miraculous recovery, but was very ill at one point.

    There was speculation afterwards on the internets that micro drones as small as mosquitos could have been used to disperse the “virus” and/or the spiked proteins.

    A crazy dot-connecting “conspiracy theorist” like myself might even contend that this is evidence of a US “deep state” rogue operation.

    • Replies: @As I see it
  221. Anon[107] • Disclaimer says:

    China has an active cohort of propagandists who operate on Wikipedia to shut down any mention of a lab leak. One whose username purports to be from Canada is almost certainly a CCP operative.

  222. GMC says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I would have liked to know what the Russians said to Senator Obama, when they detained him in 2005 . Prior to being detained, he brought 40 million dollars to Donetsk, Donbass, UA. in order to disarm the East Ukrainian army. Notice that he didn’t go to the Neo Nazi den in Lviv or Western Ukraine , in order to disarm the Neo Nazis battalions. This would correlate with your communist agenda by having a Ukrainian Nazi army in order to infiltrate the MaiDan in Kyiv – 9 years later. And obviously, the MaiDan Operation was to start years earlier than 2014, but these NWO organizations have long term plans and they have long term patience – also. Same as the Zionists, Globalists, Bankers etc..

  223. @chrimony

    By refusing to consider the FACTS laid out in the article, your comment refutes itself.

    The “facts” of the article are irrelevant if the virus was in the U.S. before it was in China, and there is a very good possibility that this is the case; capisce?

    You offer no evidence, refute no evidence, other than the possibility that it could have been in the US first, despite the overwhelming evidence ground zero was Wuhan, the same city with the virus lab conducting Frankenstein research on SARS.

    First, there is no “overwhelming evidence” that “ground zero was Wuhan”; it is speculation. Second, anyone with internet access and a desire to investigate can find evidence that the virus was apparently in the U.S. well before the first case was announced on Jan 21 by the CDC. I’ve linked to some of this evidence in several recent comments in other threads here.

    That Wade doesn’t even acknowledge the possibility that the virus was in the U.S. before it was in China shows that he’s merely a propagandist who can’t be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  224. Eagle Eye says:
    @Trond Andresen

    Better hypothesis is that THREE (3) separate conspiracies were combined, each with different aims and propelled by different international Deep State constituencies:

    (1) BIO-ATTACK against China to slow China’s economic and military advances.

    (2) BIO-ATTACK against populations of ALL Western “democracies” as a smokescreen behind which to effect a neo-feudalist coup d’état.

    (3) BIO-ATTACKS against Iran, Italy and possibly South Africa. (Motivation and constituencies for attacks on Italy and South Africa are not entirely clear.)

    It is likely that while a single virus platform was used in each case, for the sake of simplicity, the platform was customized with different “warheads” for each attack.

    If this hypothesis is correct, future waves of coronavirus epidemics (likely with much more virulent warheads) are already in the pipeline to facilitate subsequent waves of the plot, including a major genocide targeting specific populations. A genocide operation would likely be effected indirectly, by collapsing the economy much further behind another epidemic smokescreen, but direct use of highly lethal variants (as in Iran) is also conceivable for limited tactical objectives.

    Since the “vaccines” currently in use in the U.S. and other Western countries are carefully tailored to target ONLY the much-vaunted “spike protein” specific to the current U.S. variant, they will NOT be effective against future virus versions with altered spike proteins.

  225. @last straw

    Laboratory creation is certain, a leak from the WIV highly unlikely, and a leak or deliberate distribution from the VAST US bio-warfare archipelago is very likely, verging on certainty. That is why the WIV ‘leak’ story is being pushed by the entire Western disinfo machine-to hide US culpability, and to create a casus belli for war against China.

    • Agree: acementhead
  226. @Mr. Allen

    The various racist Sinophobes pushing the WIV ‘leak’ lies are openly talking of ‘reckonings’, ‘reparations’, ‘consequences’ etc, all indicating that the ‘accidental’ leak agit-prop is just a stepping-stone on the path to a full, ‘China attacked the world with bio-weapons’ casus belli. This degree of deranged, racist, hate-mongering has been all over the Murdoch cancer here for months, and it is, inevitably, percolating into the ostensibly less deranged media. Behind it all is truly deranged race and cultural hatred of the Chinese, whether CPC or not.

  227. @Kapyong

    Thank-you, kapyong-I am indebted to your concise explanation. I do think that it points, inescapably, to genetic engineering for a bio-weapon. Have you seen Whitney Webb’s article republished here recently, where she outlines work along these lines being conducted by the USA, in the USA? And that does not even take into account secret, ‘black’, research projects, private research and research by allies, particularly Israel, given its years of research with apartheid South Africa to create ‘genetically specific’ bio-weapons.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  228. @durd

    That’s not a very good argument. Look up Paul Krugman’s predictions from November 9, 2016, where he argued that “Trump will bring global recession.” Krugman did not say “may,” he said “will.” Since the prediction was wrong until CV-19 hit, Krugman’s original forecast was buried in the Memory Hole. But he did forecast it. The point is that a lot of anti-Trumpers made gloom-and-doom predictions about the Trump administration early on. So many forecasts of this type were made that one can’t deduce anything about the occasional prediction which may seem to have been right. It’s quite likely that Fauci was just talking through his a-hole when he made any statement in 2017.

  229. @Skeptikal

    That’s good, but it has nothing at all to do with any cost-benefit analysis of the vax itself.

    The elite rulers want us all vaxxed so that they can control, then ultimately, kill us off.

    That is why they are now attempting to terrify us with these lab-made virus stories, whether they are actually true or not.

  230. onebornfree says: • Website
    @frontier

    Yep, there’s no hope for Mofo Bill and associated halfwitted fascist acolytes who are all apparently awaiting some new Hitleresque fraud [like Hitler himself], strutting/prancing about idiotically in full military regalia, to save the country/world and “run the economy” top down, because this new Hitler apparition will magically know exactly how absolutely everyone else should act, what they should/should not buy etc. etc., ad infinitum.

    [MORE]

    Their twin mantras appear to be: “Kill all the jews”, and “mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, mo’gubmint! 🤣.

    In another thread the know-nothing know-it-all Mofo Bill boasts, [and I am not making this up -see post 148, https://www.unz.com/mhudson/why-biden-wont-cancel-student-debt/#comments%5D:

    “I’m more conversant with Libertarian doctrine than any libertarian posting on this board.” . [BTW, It’s interesting to note that I’ve tried to reply to this idiots comment twice in that thread and been mysteriously twice deleted, presumably either by Hudson or a Mofo Bill defending moderator]

    And yet now, in this here present thread, with his elsewhere claimed vast Monty Pythonesque “superior intelligence” knowledge of libertarianism, he now claims [as he also has elsewhere, before] that Ayn Rand and the Objectivists were libertarians- when she’s repeatedly on record as opposing, even hating libertarians– as anyone familiar with all her published writings already knows.

    But it gets even worse regarding this particular halfwitted, fascist, know-nothing, self-proclaimed “libertarian expert” MoFo Bill!

    In this here thread he also claims that Thatcher and Reagan were libertarians [or “lolbertarians” as he says – which is apparently some sort of fascist attempt at humor 🙄], when all they were was rebranded big government conservative shills intent on further expansion of and consolidation of, their own states [ something which, ironically, ‘mo gubmint Mofo Bill and associated dimwits are all in favor of].

    What a laugh! 🤣🤣🤣

    And so it goes….

    Regards, onebornfree

  231. Emslander says:
    @Priss Factor

    Well, Jews got real power, real money, real identity, and real nationalism.

    That’s where your narrative fails. They’ve got fake existence. Don’t you see? They only exist in a world that is fundamentally insecure, which is the reason for their fake psychiatry.

  232. @Harold Smith

    It’s become apparent that “chrimony” understands your well expressed point:

    That Wade doesn’t even acknowledge the possibility that the virus was in the U.S. before it was in China shows that he’s merely a propagandist who can’t be taken seriously.

    Good job drawing out the dissembling nature of the newly mutated “news” about provenance of the virus(es).

    This works like binary, Red+Blue politics. The Establishment wins because taking either side yields the same result: ChinaDidIt.

  233. antibeast says:
    @chrimony

    Nonsense. Viruses are highly mutable. People populations are incubators for virus evolution. The strain is from the original.

    You’re partially correct because the Covid-19 ‘strains’ are race-specific, as the coronavirus mutates to adapt to the antibodies generated by different host populations. Thus the Wuhan ‘strain’ was successful in infecting East Asian mongoloids in China and South Korea while the Italian ‘strain’ was successful in infecting European caucasoids in Western Europe, North America and Australia. This view however contradicts the ‘man-made’ hypothesis which assumes that those Covid-19 ‘strains’ were NOT naturally-occurring mutations but bio-engineered products of laboratory experiments.

    You mean as LATE as Feb. 2020, considering this virus was already spreading in China in November 2019. Too little, too late.

    The Wuhan ‘strain’ first discovered in China during the Covid-19 outbreak in late December 2019 did NOT cause the subsequent Covid-19 pandemics in the Western World which was caused by the outbreak of the Italian ‘strain’ in Northern Italy during the last week of Feb 2020. The two ‘Out-of-Wuhan’ theories — Wuhan Wet Market and Wuhan Lab Leak — fails to explain how the Italian ‘strain’ — which did NOT exist in China — ended up in Italy.

  234. @Schuetze

    Yes, the fly / drone that landed on Pence’s head during the vice-presidential debate could have been predictive programming. They are never shy of showing off, and probably have mastered more than one distribution method.

  235. onebornfree says: • Website

    Video: “WUHAN LAB ‘VIRUS’ LEAK: A CALCULATED DIVERSION FROM THE SIMPLE TRUTH – THERE IS NO ‘VIRUS’ ”


    Regards, onebornfree

    • Disagree: frontier
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  236. Sink says:

    “We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.” William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987

  237. hillaire says:
    @Rooster11

    Well obviously the fact that there isn’t a virus, it’s the only ploy left to keep the herd terrified and thus compliant with the so called ‘vaccine’ roll-out and restructuring of the ‘west’ brought into bankruptcy and receivership by perfidious pilferers… thus stage 2 of the shitty script the ‘bio-weapon’..
    (hint there are no weaponised virri it’s all bullshit peddled by mendicants)..

    haven’t you dimwits noticed that all the ‘toys’ of mendacity have been ‘out of the box’ for the last 18 fucking months…. and all your so called governments(state mafias) lock you all up whilst they ‘spend spend spend’.
    work it out.. ask an honest economist heh..

    because it seems that the only ‘real’ injuries (except for the endemic mental impairment most westerners suffer with) are coming from the gene therapy ‘venom’.. and ‘they’ are ‘gunning’ for your children.

    when will you imbeciles wake up to the fact that all of these tawdry psy-ops have been gamed using langleys Five-eyes approved clock-work wind up Artificial-Imbecility by alphabet men with down’s-syndrome and low foreheads..

    so roll up your shirt sleeves (not for a jab) because you fat shameless bastards have some real work to do ….

    they are gonna have you all slaughtered cos chinkerbell killed grandma y’all…

    • Replies: @Rooster11
  238. @onebornfree

    Agree, David Icke and Jon Rappoport and Max Igan and Jeff Berwick and Henry Makow and others all agreed covid-19 does not exist and is an illusion created to get the people to take the genocide injections and to install a communist one world government and depopulate the earth.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  239. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Desert Fox

    “covid-19 does not exist and is an illusion created to get the people to take the genocide injections and to install a communist one world government and depopulate the earth.”

    Yup, that pretty much seems to be the story, in a nutshell. I know you’ve probably already seen this [perhaps even you or someone else posted it here before], but for the benefit of those who have not seen it and might be interested, here is a link to The Rockefeller Institute’s 2010 Operation Lockstep document :

    “Scenarios For Technology and The Future of International Development ”
    by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network [May 2010]
    https://bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_rockefeller10.htm

    regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  240. @onebornfree

    Yes I have seen it, recommend these sites, thetruthseeker.co.uk, globalresearch.ca, healthimpactnews.com, henrymakow.com, iceagefarmer.com, nomorefakenews.com, etc., we are up against the biggest fraud and scam and psyop in the history of the world driven by the most evil people who have ever walked the face of the earth.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  241. @Skeptikal

    I have this sneaky feeling, that despite everything you say, that you’re really here to help us all get vaccinated, right!?

  242. @Mustapha Mond

    If there really were a chosen people, (and there isn’t), it would be the Chinese. They are as numberless as the stars in heaven and really are as old as time, with an historical record to prove it.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  243. @Ron Unz

    Look at this.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  244. @Skeptikal

    What struck me as interesting is that Global Research has Hopkins’ latest but this time Unz does not. Maybe his biting satire of the German system went too far for someone’s taste. Or, maybe he touched the third rail by implicitly likening the official scourging of those who refuse dodgy vaccines or question the Corona plandemic absurdities to the 1933 Nazi campaign to ostracize Jews with yellow armbands and boycotts.

    The Germans have a verb, anpassen, which when used in a political context means, Going along to get along. It’s a mild form of opportunism which allows people ostensibly to set aside their values if that’s what it takes to avoid becoming a target of officialdom. Charles Krauthammer once wrote that Anpassung became a very significant German character trait (now genetic?) in the Thirty Years War when all those with the civile courage to step out of line for an unpopular principle did not live to see the end of the warfare, famine and pestilence. And reinforced by many more upheavals and wars, it’s been that way ever since. I tend to agree.

    The first step in Anpassung is personal. One must identify who wields the real power over society and the country, and then to find a warm place in the lineup behind that power structure. The Germans have a knack for sniffing out power and following it, come what may. It’s essentially self-preservation.

    Nevertheless, Germany today remains a much healthier and cohesive society than that of the fragmenting United States, the dominant power source from which many people here tend to ape weird trends, at least superficially. But if radical social or political change is on the cards, it will not come from Germany. Serious erosion of U.-S. imperial power would force most Germans to sniff out the new leader and his new direction.

    Thanks for alerting me to Mayer’s book. I’ll look for it.

    • Thanks: Theophrastus
  245. torch man says:

    The USG has biowarfare labs, Ft. Detrick comes to mind. Anthrax anyone?

  246. AReply says:

    Interesting you guys do not hold yourselves to account.

    The overwhelming opinion on this site was and is that Covid is a bugaboo with wildly inflated cases designed by elites to strike fear in sheeple.

    But somehow its now also a bugaboo vastly under-reported by elites that’s being used to exterminate the sheeple… B/c David Icke says so?!

    The constants are bugaboo and sheeple.

    And welcome to our roving band of mind-tainted misfits… Ann Coulter! She has something to say and won’t be silenced!

    Dear Mr. Unz, how are the GPT-3 content generator experiments going?. Maybe there was promise from early experiments of content farmed from bots, but it looks now like the uncanny valley is more of a Marianas Trench of insanity. Nonetheless keep up the good work. The Mensa set will eat anything as long as they can feel quantitatively superior.

  247. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Desert Fox

    Do you know about an active ingredient of Pine needle oil as being a possible antidote to yours, mine and others unwitting infection/contamination due to all of the vaccinated fools who are now “shedding” vaccine nanoparticles which you, me, and all other unvaccinated persons are apparently in danger of directly absorbing via their [the vaccinated persons] exhaled breath, expired sweat etc.?

    If not, take a look at this:

    “Very Important!Food For Thought: Is Pine Needle Tea The Antidote To All Of The Toxic CV-19 Bioweapon “Vaccines”? ” , which is a post on my own blog, near the top of the last issue:

    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2021/05/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no181.html

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Theophrastus
  248. Ron Unz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Look at this.

    Sure, those numbers are just from a big story in the NYT several days ago, which I read at the time. Since everyone agrees that the the Indian government is massively undercounting its deaths, nobody really knows the true figures, but the NYT estimates seem perfectly plausible to me.

    Modi kept on bragging that India had beaten the virus and decided to hold huge Trump-like public political rallies. So it looks like the virus had the last laugh…

  249. @Kolya Krassotkin

    “They are as numberless as the stars in heaven and really are as old as time, with an historical record to prove it.”

    A very lovely turn of phrase, KK.

    Thank you!

    • Thanks: Kolya Krassotkin
  250. Charlie says:

    Look at this…

    Cases in Delhi, where Ivermectin was begun on April 20, dropped from 28,395 to just 2,260 on May 22. This represents an astounding 92% drop. Likewise, cases in Uttar Pradesh have dropped from 37,944 on April 24 to 5,964 on May 22 – a decline of 84%.

    ZeroHedge – Is Ivermectin The New Penicillin?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-new-penicillin

    The All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) adopted outpatient use of Ivermectin on April 20, 2021, in response to outbreaks in Maharashtra and Punjab. By the end of May all states that had adopted Ivermectin saw a dramatic drop in cases, hospitalizations and fatalities. Only the state of Tamil Nadu, where they had the wisdom to outlaw Ivermectin for COVID, did the stats continue to surge.

    Meanwhile, Tamil Nadu announced on May 14 they were outlawing Ivermectin in favor of the politically correct Remdesivir. As a result, Tamil Nadu’s cases are up in the same time frame from April 20 to May 22 – 10,986 to 35,873 – more than a tripling.

    Watch for the surge in India to be memory holed in the next few weeks.

    NB: Ivermectin finally seems to be breaking into the public consciousness. We’re at the point where one widely circulated piece will do for this “miracle cure” what Nicholas Wade did for lab-origin.

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @tumi
  251. KA says:
    @Kapyong

    Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses

    Yiran Wu
    Suwen Zhao

    Stem Cell Research
    Vol50,Januy2021,102115

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  252. Angiekens says:

    You know, I’m not a rocket scientist or anything, but when this whole thing began the first thing I thought was, “Well they’re getting smarter, they aren’t calling it a ‘flu.’” Everyone compares it to SARS or MERS but I think of it as related to Swine flu and Avian flu. It may not be the same “virus” nor starting the same way, but it sure feels like it was looking for the out come they were hoping for when the others broke out.

  253. tumi says:
    @Charlie

    An Indian man posted a viral video of him eating a dead snake.

    He claimed that doing so would “keep Covid at bay,” India Today reported.

    Environmentalists shared the video with law enforcement officers, leading to the 50-year-old’s arrest.

    A 50-year-old agricultural worker was arrested in Tamil Naidu, India on Thursday after posting a viral video of him eating a snake, according to India Today.

    The man, known only as Vadivelu, shared a video of him ripping a dead snake in two and then consuming large portions of it.

    “It keeps Covid at bay,” Vadivelu claimed, India Today reported.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-arrested-posting-viral-video-142358786.html

    • Replies: @Charlie
  254. Kapyong says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Gday Mulga,

    Yah, seems pretty clear SARS-2 is artificial, but the shouting over who why and where will go on for some time. Wade points a finger at Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York.

    Because, by a strange twist in the story, her [China’s leading expert on bat viruses, Shi Zheng-li or “Bat Lady,”] work was funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH). And grant proposals that funded her work, which are a matter of public record, specify exactly what she planned to do with the money.

    The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Shi. Here are extracts from the grants for fiscal years 2018 and 2019. (“CoV” stands for coronavirus and “S protein” refers to the virus’s spike protein.)

    “Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.”

    “We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”

    On December 9, 2019, before the outbreak of the pandemic became generally known, Daszak gave an interview in which he talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanized mice.

    “And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new SARS-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS,” Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. “Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanized mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger….

    “Well I think…coronaviruses — you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happen with coronavirus, in zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work a lot with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab. So you can get more predictive when you find a sequence. You’ve got this diversity. Now the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let’s insert some of these other things and get a better vaccine.”

    The insertions he referred to perhaps included an element called the furin cleavage site, discussed below, which greatly increases viral infectivity for human cells.

    In disjointed style, Daszak is referring to the fact that once you have generated a novel coronavirus that can attack human cells, you can take the spike protein and make it the basis for a vaccine.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  255. tumi says:

    Racism and anger plus careerism drove Bannon and Cotton to look for a scapegoat and they zeroed on China.
    It takes more ,way more than that to understand,argue,and make a case for lab origin.
    Then it takes honesty and concern to figure out where the blame( lab ) lies.

    Orginal Sinner is USA. Cotton will lose his shirt if he tries to go there .

    • Replies: @Peter Conant
  256. Kapyong says:
    @KA

    Thanks KA,

    That paper
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165

    does indeed claim furin cleavage sites can be found in other viruses, but also notes the 12-base insert is unusual in SARS-2 :

    Highlights
    • Phylogenetic tree of spike proteins reveals major groups of coronaviruses.

    • Furin cleavage sites at spike S1/S2 are common in coronaviruses.

    • Furin cleavage sites at spike S1/S2 naturally occurred independently for multiple times in coronaviruses.

    Abstract
    The spike protein is a focused target of COVID-19, a pandemic caused by SARS-CoV-2. A 12-nt insertion at S1/S2 in the spike coding sequence yields a furin cleavage site, which raised controversy views on origin of the virus. Here we analyzed the phylogenetic relationships of coronavirus spike proteins and mapped furin recognition motif on the tree. Furin cleavage sites occurred independently for multiple times in the evolution of the coronavirus family, supporting the natural occurring hypothesis of SARS-CoV-2.

    Moreover, SARS-CoV-2 is the only virus in subgenus Sarbecovirus having this feature, while even its closest relatives, bat coronavirus RaTG13 (sequence identity 97.7%) and pangolin coronaviruses (92.9%–90.7%), do not have furin site. However, in Hibecovirus, the sister clade of Sarbecovirus, a Hipposideros bat coronavirus collected in 2013 at Zhejiang Province in China has furin site at S1/S2.

    But frankly I’ve gone beyond my pay grade now.

    • Replies: @KA
  257. @theMann

    There is something I don’t understand; perhaps you could explain.

    The David Cole article is here:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/son-of-frankencovid/

    It specifically refers to the Wuhan lab leak hypothesis (as explained by N. Wade) and not to a purposed bioweapon deployment, which is Ron Unz’s position.

    So, if you could clarify how Cole’s rebuttal of the lab-leak hypothesis has (somehow) negated the bioweapon hypothesis, I’d be much obliged.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  258. @Rooster11

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-22/Can-politics-be-put-aside-while-looking-for-origins-of-coronavirus--T9HgctyKv6/index.html ——

    “As I was saying Gomez –Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, Amtrak Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Freddie Rogers, Blinken =Bolton, John Hagee or any of those conjurers have NO formal education in Biology so how can they know anything more than the fact Steve Austin was bionic —–only 6 million –Amtrak Joe is at 6 Trillion and more coming soon —–do they also print paper money in that Wuhan lab—or is a cocker spaniel ?? ” and my my my —-is Chin Lee in a very upset and cranky mood —–“Thing” just sprang out our back door.

  259. @Vojkan

    During the normal flu season not everyone gets the same symptoms with same severity. There are several different strains of flu circulating during each season.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Vojkan
  260. skrik says:
    @last straw

    The site [PRRA] is not a “smoking gun”, nor does it “make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin”

    https://twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1391507230848032772

    Thanks to @last straw for this twitter, opening [for me] a new pandora’s box. This Andersen seems to be no ‘light-weight;’ here’s a page prominently carrying his name:

    “On this page we are linking to various material that have to do with our investigations of the origin and evolution of SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic.”
    https://andersen-lab.com/secrets/data/sars-cov-2-origins/

    Tip: Follow the links provided on that page; read the targets then think. IMHO there are at least two ‘weaknesses,’ but being only an amateur virologist [and that only since SARS-CoV-2] I’ll ‘hold my whisht’ for now.

    More IMHO a) the ‘Western’ scientific consensus = ‘natural zoonotic origin’ has been made too strong to be reversed on Bidet’s whim but b) was in any case always a far-fetched furphy and c) gone too far to be reversed into ‘China did it = China made it’ but possibly now only ‘China found it,’ itself to be broken down into ‘China played with fire then got burnt,’ either d) by outright carelessness or worse, e) malice aforethought. Apropos the latter, one could consider ‘form;’ is/are there any rogue regime(s) that regularly resort to ‘mass-murder for spoil,’ lying through their teeth as they go?

    Alternate hypothesis: the ‘Western’ scientific consensus is a deliberately laid trail of breadcrumbs leading away from Fort Detrick, say. [The shadow (here China) knows.] rgds

  261. @last straw

    “Even NYT admits that the lab leak theory is unlikely, and natural selection is the more plausible origin:

    Many scientists welcomed President Biden’s call for a more rigorous investigation of a virus lab in Wuhan, China, though they said the so-called lab leak theory was still unlikely.”

    Classic and textbook “appeal to authority” garbage! What we really know is “Many (ideologue) scientists (in name only, SINOs) welcomed.” Oh, and BTW, the Biden administration has done everything in its power to cancel “a more rigorous investigation.”

  262. @tumi

    “Racism” really? “Anger” yes as we all should have!

    • Replies: @anon
  263. Canute says:
    @Rooster11

    They are trying to hide the fact that it was created at Ft. Detrick, MD and moved to UNC/Chapel Hill for further distribution. The was an Agency gambit from the start.

  264. @GomezAdddams

    Yes, the virus time-travelled from the Wuhan Military Games in October 2019, where it emerged from mink farms, back to March 2019 in Barcelona. SarsCov-2 really does have incredible infectious properties.

  265. @Commentator Mike

    Not where I live. Magically, the masking, social-distancing and socio-economic clamp-downs failed to halt the advance of SARSCoV-2, but there was no influenza to be seen this year. We are living in an era of miracles.
    https://globalnews.ca/news/7756159/alberta-2020-21-flu-season-zero-cases/

  266. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Conant

    Racism is the label to a certain set of behaviors .
    People try to extricate from itself after being socially ostracized . Social ostracism is not some spiritual awakening . It is born by political economic and military factors which change the new dynamics . Until it happens , racism is fine with most of us .
    Without racism , there won’t be war and economic exploitation abroad , or ethnic disparity within the country.

    Bannon is equal opportunity criminal Racism helps him ingratiate with Trump , Bolsonro, Modi
    and Orban . Money helps him feel connected to Saudi or UAE . It is like the faith of the founder of the Blackwater. Lots of hate racism and faith , all combined until he ends up supporting the powers who empower ISIS who kills Christian .

    Cotton is after White House . He has to be racist to get GOP approval.

  267. Charlie says:
    @tumi

    So it’s true! In Tamil Naidu you have three choices: Vax, Remdesivir, or go die in gaol.

  268. Rooster11 says:
    @hillaire

    So what country are you from where they haven’t rolled out the same draconian policies?

  269. KA says:
    @Kapyong

    Thanks to for your posting

    I will share my understanding

    The virologist have focused on 3 key areas
    1 – mutation that increase attachment ( like at Asn501Tyr residue for RBD)

    2- Furin cleavage site ( deletion at S 69-70) { responsible for breaking of Spike protein by host’s Furin )

    3 Antibody evading mutation among those infected already or vaccinated causing one of the 3 new sequences –
    E484K
    K417N
    N 501Y

    ————
    UK variant has Furin cleavage site deletion and N 501Y sequence

    ————-

    Brazil— 3 – mutations with new 3 sequences
    E484K
    K417N
    N 501Y
    plus. 1 deletion outside Spike protein

    ———————————————

    By the way the presence of Furin cleavage site has prompted people to question if it were bioengineered.
    As you have explained as kind of unexpected from evolutionary lineage or membership of the clade.
    ——-

    We don’t have data from Indian variant yet .

  270. hillaire says:

    Oh I’m in the same shit as you… but I’m drawing attention to the nonsense…

    there is however light at the end of the tunnel, because the imbeciles that are running the charade that passes for ‘western democracy’ and the malcontents and miscreants that administer it for them…

    are for the most part even stupider than the average prole…. by a large margin.. these ‘knuckle-dragging simpletons’ have cancer of the ‘mind’ and are drunk on their own hubris and faggotry..

    so the 10% of ‘us’ that are still capable of critical thinking and value the quaint old notions of logic, discipline and forward planning, those that can still be ‘self- reliant’ but work in ‘teams’ and can see through all the nonsense drip fed through info-tainment ‘outlets’ will eventually steamroll the globalist favela and its rancid contents back into the cess-pit that birthed it…

    just like that…. fucking easy man.

    there’s some heavy lifting for ya….. you up to it?…. or are you going back to the fucking ball game ?

  271. @Anonymous

    Well, Godfree Roberts himself admitted China may have exaggerated its reaction in order to influence the West into acting preventively. He even quoted a private exchange with an acquaintance who is a China-based epidemiologist.

    Even supposing, as some believe, that Godfree Roberts is an incompetent China propagandist, would he admit to it if it weren’t a real possibility? What would be the gain?

    And I think that the ‘incompetence’ argument cuts both ways: those anti-China outlets may have been totally incompetent and simply reproduced videos made in China without foreseeing that they would in the future have to change their story.

    The Great Covid Conspiracy of Silence
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-great-covid-conspiracy-of-silence/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4531048

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4532958

  272. @Theophrastus

    I hope commenter theMann will not mind me butting in, but since I shared the very article I think he is referring to here at unz.com, I will take the liberty of telling you that the article in question is a sequel to the one you mention. Here is the link to it:

    House of Faucistein
    https://www.takimag.com/article/house-of-faucistein/

  273. by cause and effect the options human historical life has resulted in at this point are social revolution by the people from the ground up… that eliminates the rich and creates ways of life for ordinary people, by the ordinary people that makes them safe in existence-‘for the people by the people!

    by cause and effect also, the next and opposite option is that the elites, to save themselves and their social position, must kill off the ordinary people… ALL OF US!

    there is nothing else they can do to save their own place as elites in control of society, on the day we have arrived at. the conditions of existence currently will not allow for any other social resolution from the top of society downwards… which is why we have Cov-19 and vaccinations..

    there is now too much technology to keep masses of people employed, along with the exhaustion of all means of social exploitation of the people that are likely capable of keeping the people down, in social control of the minority on the top of society…to prevent the people from getting up and out into the streets in a process of revolutionizing society, of taking the social power away from the elite minority, while creating forms of social organization by which they exercise the social power in majority ways

    those are the options that our European dominated social control of the globe has created…global social revolution or global genocide

    all this talk on places like the UNZ might be serving some useful purpose… I don’t know?

    but at the end of this day, and all days there is but one answer for the ordinary people, the vast majority of people in the world…’get up and move in comprehensive social revolution, eliminating elites and creating forms of social organization in which elitism can never ever emerge again…or be killed off totally the elites!’

  274. @Epaminondas

    I vote that you be first to hit the beach in the invasion of China. Or do a Slim Pickens’ ride on a thermo-nuclear bomb, all the way to glory!

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  275. @Spect3r

    Speccy, I actually understate my importance, by not mentioning it. As for not saying anything-the Chinese were on a hiding to nothing. Tell the obvious and see the entire lying mass of stinking filth called the ‘Free Press’ go into overdrive in race and cultural hatred. Now they have had their hand forced, with the current lahar of filthy, fulminating, race hate-mongering, war preparing filth gushing from the West. The Chinese are putting out the facts rewarding Fort Detrick and the vast US bio-weapons archipelago (>200)but they are not even denied, but utterly suppressed.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Spect3r
  276. @Kapyong

    I saw the estimable Whitney Webb on TLAV mentioning that the EcoHealth Alliance is bankrolled by, I think it was, the Pentagon. Could have been the CIA or USAID-one of those outfits. A long-planned operation, with the WIV and GOF research, (also conducted in the USA, openly since 2017, after a brief, supposed, hiatus at a number of places, including the University of North Carolina), being the patsies. Just the sort of Satanic ‘Hail Mary pass’ that the dying ‘Real Evil Empire’ would try to destroy its Nemesis.

  277. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I am not talking about different severity, I am talking of different reactions of the body. I had terrible headaches and an altered sense of taste, everything I put in mouth had a bitter / metallic after-taste, but curiously I had almost no cough. My friend and my mother had normal sense of taste, nasty bouts of cough, chest pain and back pain. They both have an inner ear problem as after-effect, I have not. It’s really as we’ve had different diseases at the same time.

  278. Spect3r says:
    @Ron Unz

    Before all, thank you so much for all the work you put in and all the opportunities that you give in this website.

    I have read your articles about it (once again, thank you for all your hard work, regardless if I agree or not, your American Pravda series is outstanding), and I still have a hard time agreeing with your theory.

    I follow Mass Media and Alternative Free Media, and I agree that Mass Media would suppress it hard, but the Independent Media would not.

    The fact that no one would believe the Chinese, wouldn’t matter to them if they knew the Virus was not “theirs”.
    They would at least raise the possibility, no?

    The rhetoric in the West is that they lie about Uighurs (I don’t know who lies and honestly I don’t care), but that didn’t stop the Chinese from keeping denying it.

    Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right, quite honestly I don’t think we will ever find out, but at least for now, I believe stronger in the possibly that it escaped their Lab and not some creation of USA.

  279. Spect3r says:
    @Charlie

    “But that third possibility – an act of war – would require a response from the Chinese they may be unwilling to pursue, at least for now. ”

    That’s a fair assessment actually.

  280. Spect3r says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “Speccy, I actually understate my importance, by not mentioning it.”

    Smart move (really, no irony)… Also, Speccy is a new one for me 🙂

    ” As for not saying anything-the Chinese were on a hiding to nothing. Tell the obvious and see the entire lying mass of stinking filth called the ‘Free Press’ go into overdrive in race and cultural hatred. Now they have had their hand forced, with the current lahar of filthy, fulminating, race hate-mongering, war preparing filth gushing from the West. ”

    But the Media has been doing that with the Uighur situation (not saying the Chinese are or arent putting Uighur in cages, just mentioning the way media reports it).
    What would be the difference, especially in such a serious situation has the origins of a World wide pandemic?

    “The Chinese are putting out the facts rewarding Fort Detrick and the vast US bio-weapons archipelago (>200)but they are not even denied, but utterly suppressed. ”

    Would be interested in reading it, do you have a link, please?

  281. @Morton's toes

    And the wiki gate keepers are gas lighting the “asymptomatic carrier” within the description of Koch’s Postulate’s.

    However, Koch later abandoned the universalist requirement of the first postulate altogether when he discovered asymptomatic carriers of cholera[4] and, later, of typhoid fever.[citation needed] Asymptomatic or subclinical infection carriers are now known to be a common feature of many infectious diseases, especially viral diseases such as polio, herpes simplex, HIV/AIDS, and hepatitis C. As a specific example, all doctors and virologists agree that poliovirus causes paralysis in just a few infected subjects.[citation needed]

    I noticed that the ‘citation needed” of two different claims brackets this general statement,
    “Asymptomatic or subclinical infection carriers are now known to be a common feature of many infectious diseases, especially viral diseases such as polio, herpes simplex, HIV/AIDS, and hepatitis C”.
    Notice NO CITATION…

  282. @Schuetze

    “The real smoking gun will be the precise method used to dispense the spiked proteins. Now that billions of people have been turned into spiked protien factories the water is likely so muddied that we will never know how the disease was deliberately spread.”

    There is no precision in this.

    This psyop has achieved the final outcome of perpetual spoonfed media: a compliant, zelaously obedient critical mass, now well indoctrinated to FEAR Nature.

    The religious zeal to which the critical mass is willing to self-annhilate is evident in how many “caring parents” mask up their kids, claiming ‘protecting’ them!

    And, of course, FOLLOW THE MONEY…

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  283. Schuetze says:
    @bike-anarkist

    “FOLLOW THE MONEY…”

    Like Occams razor, this has become a misused cliché.

    All these tax-exempted trusts, like Rockefeller, Bill & Melinda Gates, Welcomme, Nobel, Ford and many more have become fronts for the real money power. When ((they)) formed the IRS in 1913 and the OECD after WWII, they took complete control over international taxation and have long ago covered the tracks of the real owners of world capital. “Follow the money” leads back to some tax exempt charitable trust, the real owners are hidden by multiple layers, possibly even 33 deep.

    Gates, Zuckerberg, Soros, Buffet are just puppets on the stage, like Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush and even Netanyahu.

    Of course incestuous “intellectuals” like utu are far too compromised to be able to figure this out.

  284. @Ron Unz

    As attested to by a guy with a moustache.

  285. Reggie says:

    The leaked virus from Wuhan story is a red herring. If it were true, how do you explain Event 201 happening months before? Like they knew in advance the virus would be leaked? And the Rockefeller “Lockstep” document — the authors of that knew years in advance that there would be a leaked virus? And Fauci telling Trump that he would face a huge epidemic during his term?

    It’s obviously being used for political purposes to stir up hatred of China. But mostly it’s to distract from the fact that the virus is pretty harmless and it’s the comorbidities and the vaccine that kill, plus any other disease or motorcycle accident that kills people within 60 days of a positive test (per the CDC definition of a Covid death).

    The only thing I wonder about is why a Chinese representative attended Event 201. Was the whole thing a worldwide conspiracy, including China? Or was the Chinese respresentative deliberately invited there to set China up as the fall guy?

    • Agree: Alfred
  286. Yee says:

    Reggie,

    “The only thing I wonder about is why a Chinese representative attended Event 201. ”

    Since it was the head of Chinese CDC who was invited, perhaps it was an attempt to steer China’s response to the coming outbreak in the direction they want. Teach him how to handle the outbreak, lest China does something totally unexpected.

    However, in reality, Chinese CDC got pushed aside, top leadership took over the response to the outbreak, and did something totally unexpected…

  287. @Irish Savant

    I agree.
    By March 2020, I concluded that I faced a choice: continue to be deeply immersed in the day to day conjob 19 reporting or detach, distance and wait. At the time, I had concluded deliberate release of a bio-weapon that was way overblown by media.

    I believe, 15 months later, that this is now a near consensus view.

    When Obama was President, I noticed a strange, false calm that continued until Hillary was rejected by voters. In September 2016, I believed Trump would be elected and that it was a last chance for reform through the political system.
    When Trump won, the spell broke and the Left went full 2yr old rage fest. That never ended til Pedo Joe was put in.

    From my observation post, I am seeing satanic magic as part of the nexus of power in America. Note: I am not a Christian. I was RC, left in my late teens. I found Buddhism in 1994-5, an actual monk-teacher with a full spiritual community. This has provided me with a basis to understand what I am seeing in a specific way. In any Buddhist tradition, black magic is considered the basis for a participant to earn a sentence in hell (nothing is permanet after all). In traditions that practice Tantra, using tantra for a selfish purpose ( to achieve a worldly goal) is a cause for a trip to hell.
    This knowledge, along with other experiences, have made it much easier to accept the world as it is.

  288. @Stonewall Jackson

    Did you mean that the virus escaped to Spain, US, Brazil, France, Italy, then after a few months/weeks collectively migrated to Wuhan?

    This is what the data says:

    Spanish scientists confirmed that COVID-19 was in Spain since March 2019, 9 months before Wuhan.
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows

    US scientists found that COVID-19 was present in US weeks before Wuhan.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/12/01/study-suggests-covid-19-was-in-the-us-weeks-earlier-than-thought-before-first-public-cases-in-china/?sh=39b763e04bf8

    Brazilian scientists confirmed COVID-19 was in Brazil since November 2019, a month before Wuhan.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140731v1

    French scientists confirmed COVID-19 was in France since November 2019, a month before Wuhan.
    https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3083599/france-had-covid-19-november-hospital-says-after-analysis-chest

    Italian scientists confirmed COVID-19 was in Italy since November 2019, a month before Wuhan.
    https://www.thelocal.it/20210112/italys-new-patient-1-identified-milan-woman-had-coronavirus-in-november-2019

  289. @Bert

    I also think that the Unz hypothesis of a biowarfare attack by the U.S. is frankly ridiculous because the Deep State would have known that the economic damage here would be much greater than in China, given China’s ability to take draconian measures.

    The prediction has always been that the US is the best in the world in dealing with pandemics:

    By the WHO:
    https://apps.who.int/gpmb/annual_report.html

    And by the Global Health Security Index, which released a report shortly before Wuhan. The US ranked #1, and China ranked #51.
    https://www.ghsindex.org/

    Therefore, the most intelligent expectation was that China would suffer greatly from a biowarfare attack whereas the US could easily fend off the blowback.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  290. @Passerby60

    I doubt that the WHO took account of TDS when assessing the US as best prepared for anything.

  291. That the virus came from Wuhan, spread from there, doesn’t mean it originated there. It might have have been secretly taken there, and let loose there.

  292. Johan says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “a media full of ideologically reliable, dullard ignoramuses with the moral sense of a rabid wolverine”

    “fakestream media presstitutes”

    “presstitute vermin”

    “Evil ChiComms”

    “Evil members of any ‘sapient’ species”

    Awesome, you are creative and almost epically poetic.

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