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When the people have full bellies and warm clothes on their back they degenerate almost to the level of brutes if they are allowed to lead idle lives, without education and discipline. This gave the Sage King further cause for concern, so he appointed Hsieh as the Minister of Education and admonished him to teach the people human relationships: love between father and son, duty between ruler and subject, distinction between husband and wife, precedence of the old over the young, and trust between friends. Mencius.

Every three years the OECD tests fifteen year-olds around the world in reasoning and self-expression. China, aspiring to join the OECD club of developed nations, entered seven regions with a total population of 250 million–Beijing, Shanghai, and Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan–and the results from the most recent tests were released this week. China came first in all three categories – science, mathematics and reading – in the study.

This year, Pisa focused on a key skill–handling abstract concepts and discerning facts from opinions in what they read–because, thanks to ready access to information, reading is more about building knowledge, thinking critically and making well-founded judgments than extracting information. An average of 8.7 percent of the world’s youngsters scored better than 84 percent in this critical skill, compared to twenty-six percent of Singaporean children, twenty-two percent of Chinese, 13.5 percent in the US, 11.5 percent in Britain and 14.3 per cent in Finland.

Around 16.5% of students in Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang and 13.8% of students in Singapore scored at Level 6 in mathematics, the highest level of proficiency that PISA describes. These students are capable of advanced mathematical thinking and reasoning. On average across OECD countries, only 2.4% of students scored at this level.

Significantly, even the 10 percent most disadvantaged students in China showed better reading skills than those of the average student in OECD countries, and performed on par with the 10 per cent most advantaged students in some of them. The report said that although its sample could not represent China as a whole, their achievement was ‘even more remarkable’ as their average income is well below the average for members of the OECD.

China has doubled its investment in education every eight years for forty years and plans to continue doing so. This is a review of its educational history and recent progress.

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Though the nobility resisted Confucian meritocracy for centuries, it gradually gained sway until educational attainment replaced wealth and lineage as the sole avenue to power and prestige. In 600 AD, the innovative Emperor Yang of Sui formalized the process and decreed that Imperial Examinations, keju, would transparently admit talented commoners to the civil service. During the subsequent centuries seven hundred top scorers won immortality as zhuàngyuán, ‘the name at the top of the list’ and, much as the European nobility trace their lineage to famous warriors, famous Chinese families now trace theirs to zhuàngyuán. Their feats are immortalized in Family Books, their names grace landmarks and, to this day, mothers remind offspring of the glories they won by diligent study.

As the entrée to China’s elite, the keju created a demand for literacy so powerful that, by 1000 AD, Song Dynasty officials distributed millions of Confucian catechisms–the Little Red Books of their day–and delivered xiangyue, educational lectures, on their content. Social advancement by examination remained resolutely class-blind because, said Imperial Censor Wang Ji, “If selection by examination is not strict, the powerful will struggle to be foremost and orphans and the poor will have difficulty advancing.” The keju was abandoned when the Qing Dynasty fell in 1904 until, in 1952, Mao introduced its successor, the gaokao. He suspended it for the Cultural Revolution and, at its restoration in 1977, five-million candidates competed for two-hundred fifty-thousand university places.

In 2019, ten million teenagers contested eight million places at three thousand universities. The fiercest competition focuses on thirty-nine first-level, and one-hundred twelve distinguished universities whose collective admission rate is under three percent. Puzhong Yao[1]Excerpted from The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective by Puzhong Yao. American Affairs. Winter 2017 / Vol I, No 4. More from him at http://ajourneytothewest.co.uk/ was not among them:

It was the summer of 2000. I was 15, and I had just finished my high school entrance exam. I had made considerable improvements from where I started in first grade, when I had the second-worst grades in the class and had to sit at a desk perpendicular to the blackboard so that the teacher could keep a close eye on me. I had managed to become an average student in an average school. My parents by then had reached the conclusion that I was not going anywhere promising in China and were ready to send me abroad for high school. Contrary to all expectations, however, I got the best mark in my class and my school. The exam scores were so good that I ranked within the top ten among more than 100,000 students in the whole city. My teacher and I both assumed the score was wrong when we first heard it but, as a consequence, I got into the best class in the best school in my city, and thus began the most painful year of my life.

My newfound confidence was quickly crushed when I saw how talented my new classmates were. In the first class, our math teacher announced that she would start from chapter four of the textbook as she assumed, correctly, that most of us were familiar with the first three chapters and would find it boring to go through them again. Most of the class had been participating in various competitions in middle school and had become familiar with a large part of the high school syllabus already. Furthermore, they had also grown to know each other from those years of competitions together. And here I was, someone who didn’t know anything or anyone, surrounded by people who knew more to begin with, who were much smarter, and who worked just as hard as I did. What chance did I have?

During that year, I tried very hard to catch up: I gave up everything else and even moved somewhere close to the school to save time on the commute, but to no avail. Over time, going to school and competing while knowing I was sure to lose became torture. Yet I had to do it every day. At the end-of-year exam, I scored second from the bottom of the class—the same place I began in first grade. But this time it was much harder to accept, after the glory I had enjoyed just one year earlier and the huge amount of effort I had put into studying this year. Finally, I threw in the towel and asked my parents to send me abroad. Anywhere on this earth would surely be better.

So I came to the UK in 2001, when I was 16 years old. Much to my surprise, I found the UK’s exam-focused educational system very similar to the one in China. What is more, in both countries, going to the “right schools” and getting the “right job” are seen as very important by a large group of eager parents. As a result, scoring well on exams and doing well in school interviews—or even the play session for the nursery or pre-prep school—become the most important things in the world. Even at the university level, the undergraduate degree from the University of Cambridge depends on nothing else but an exam at the end of the final year.

On the other hand, although the UK’s university system is considered superior to China’s, with a population that is only one-twentieth the size of my native country, competition, while tough, is less intimidating. For example, about one in ten applicants gets into Oxbridge in the UK, and Stanford and Harvard accept about one in twenty-five applicants. But in Hebei province in China, where I am from, only one in fifteen hundred applicants gets into Peking or Tsinghua University.

Still, I found it hard to believe how much easier everything became. I scored first nationwide in the GCSE (high school) math exam and my photo was printed in a national newspaper. I was admitted to Trinity College, University of Cambridge, once the home of Sir Isaac Newton, Francis Bacon, and Prince Charles. I studied economics at Cambridge, a field which has become more and more mathematical since the 1970s.. The behavior of my British classmates demonstrated an even greater herd mentality than what is often mocked in American MBAs. For example, out of the thirteen economists in my year at Trinity, twelve would go on to join investment banks, and five of us went to work for Goldman Sachs.

Who can blame Puzhong Yao? The culmination of a twelve-year educational marathon, the gaokao is the greatest affair in Chinese family life and in the national calendar. Media feature its heroes and quote their every utterance. On gaokao day road and air traffic are diverted from examination sites and millions of relatives anxiously besiege school gates while, inside, personality, charm, community service, interview preparation, and athletic accomplishment count for nothing. All that matters is answers to questions like these:

Math

1. Given an ellipse x²/9+y²/5=1 whose vertices are A and B and right focus F. Suppose that line TA and line TB which pass through T(t,m) intersect the ellipse at M(x₁,y₁) and N(x₁,y₂) individually.(m>0,y₁>0,y₂<0).

2. Assume a positive sequence {an},whose sum of the first n terms is Sn, given that 2an=a₁+a₃,sequence{√Sn} is an Arithmetic Sequence with a common difference d. 1) Find the general formula of the sequence {an}(in n and d) 2) Assume c ∈R,for any positive integrals m,n and k that satisfy m+n=3k and m≠n,exists equality Sm+Sn>cSk

Writing

Description: Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say, “Why not?” Write an essay on how you think of the words of Bernard Shaw. The essay should be within 800 words.

Reasoning

Description: During WWII, US and British military forces conducted research on the distribution of bullet holes on battered combat aircraft in an effort to upgrade their protective capability. Most scientists agreed that the upgrade should focus on areas with most bullet holes but Ward, a statistician, prevailed over them, noting that attention should be paid to the parts with less bullet holes, since if those parts were damaged, the planes would have a smaller chance of returning home. However, his statistics were ignored. Later investigation proved Ward’s theories were, in fact, correct. Please write an essay based on this information.

In a nation obsessed with equality of opportunity and led by a Party ideologically committed to it, leveling the playing field–at least for one’s own offspring–is a source of constant concern, according to Xiong Xuan’an, zhuàngyuán in 2017, “People like me are from middle-class families. We don’t have to worry about food or clothes. Our parents are educated. We were born in big cities like Beijing. We simply got better education resources than the rest. Students from other places and rural areas are not able to get these benefits. It made my learning path easier and the top scorers nowadays, generally speaking, come from upper class families and are good at studying.”

Even poor Chinese parents suffer from university anxiety to a degree seen only in upper-class families in the West. So fierce is parental concern that, when the Ministry proposed decreasing homework, jianfu, parents objected that, by betraying its responsibility for making education a force for social advancement, the Ministry was compelling parents to fill the vacuum with extracurricular learning. Otherwise, who would to help children stand out from their peers and gain admission to good universities? “The government used to educate our children but now they don’t want to shoulder the responsibility so they’re throwing it back onto us.” Most insisted that their children were perfectly capable of handling heavier workloads, nostalgic for ‘the nineties culture when the state supported students working day and night.’

In preparation for President Xi’s push for equality by 2035, the Education Ministry has begun focusing on rural and disadvantaged children. In 2010 it sponsored a Trial Spot, the West China Enrollment Collaboration Program, to increase student enrollment in poorer central and western regions. In 2016, over city parents’ heated objections, the Ministry pushed urban schools to admit migrant children to their gaokao and provide them with university places. Two years later, eighty percent of migrant children were enrolled in city schools and ninety percent received financial support that will continue through university. By 2019 their distance from national averages, though still wide, had narrowed by two-thirds.

 

The Ministry has also doubled rural education support since 2015 to reduce disparities in school access, teaching standards, and even protein adequacy, yet children from underdeveloped areas still struggled to win places in major universities. In 2018, country schools began limiting their primary class size to forty-five and employing a minimum of ten senior, physical education, music, and fine arts teachers for every thousand children, while raising teachers’ pay to match local officials’. The Ministry next added favorable university application policies and scholarships for rural graduates at seventy-five national universities and pledged that the advantages will persist after rural areas emerge from poverty. In 2019 it established Trial Spots in poor areas of Anhui, Henan, Shaanxi, and Gansu, offered promising city teachers promotion to Chief Teachers at rural primary and middle schools, and encouraged them to explore their own ideas for lifting the quality of education. Their successes will be replicated regionally in the next phase.

Beijing politicians regularly urge provincial officials to ‘comprehensively address’ problems in their areas, and a Trial Spot in poor Guizhou Province is emblematic of ‘comprehensiveness.’ Children were coming to school on empty stomachs, so the province provided all schools with canteens and funds to buy produce directly from poor local farmers and prepare free lunches for fifteen-million pupils. It added monthly stipends for 1.7 million registered[2]Their families are officially enrolled in the government’s anti-poverty campaign. poor students and focused on boosting their confidence in education as the best way to lift their families out of poverty. The Minitry called on its best teachers and administrators for help and Zhang Yan, a star principal in Zunyi City (pop. one-million), said, “I’ve focused my plan on coaching teachers in the poverty-stricken areas rather than giving lectures at rural schools.” Guizhou relocated two million poor people from inhospitable mountainous regions to urban areas and enrolled their 130,000 children in 1,600 schools near their new homes. By 2020, the province will have completed three hundred nurseries and junior high schools and relocated a further fifty-thousand children.

From two per cent in 1977, forty-six percent of 18-22 year-olds were at university in 2017–compared to America’s forty-one per cent–and ethnic minorities, nine per cent of China’s population, occupy nine per cent of undergraduate positions. By the end of 2019, the Ministry had rolled out the most promising pedagogic techniques nationwide, disadvantaged children were testing as well as European children, artificial intelligence wasin the national curriculum, and Britain was spending fifty-million dollars training teachers in China and translating its textbooks.

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The Education Ministry’s responsibilities are mind-boggling: China, whose GDP per capita is one-fourth of America’s, supports half a million schools, fifteen-million teachers and two-hundred sixty-million schoolchildren (fifty-million of whom are disadvantaged) who speak thirty-five languages. In 1979, to leverage its meagre budget, it offered urbanites a pact: limit your family to one child and we will invest the savings in schools and teachers. Thus was born Urban Family Planning, the so-called ‘one child policy,’ and, across the vast land, two parents and four grandparents began investing their hopes and resources in an only child.

In response, Shanghai’s teachers pledged, “There are no students who cannot be taught well, only teachers who cannot teach well.” Finding that most failures stemmed from over-wide gaps in instructional sequences, they broke lessons into small, carefully spaced, tightly coupled steps, permitting classes to advance only after every child demonstrated mastery of each step. They rethought, retested and rewrote their textbooks and shared their discoveries in late night faculty sessions. They found their new approach required painstaking lesson preparation and skillful class management so their schools restricted them to fifteen hours of classroom instruction each week. They devoted the balance of their time to observing exemplary instructors, sharing observations with colleagues, experimenting, refining lesson plans and publishing their findings in education journals. School principals were all assigned chauffeurs and limos, as much to acknowledge their status as their responsibilities.

Progress was slow but results were encouraging until, in 2009, Shanghai invited the OECD, to include them in its international test. The OECD reported[3]Shanghai tops global state school rankings, Chris Cook, FT, December 8 2010., “Mathematics scores for the top performer, Shanghai, indicate an equivalent to over two years of formal schooling ahead of those observed in Massachusetts, a strong-performing US State.” When Shanghai drew further ahead in 2012[4]Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) Results. 2012. “Among the 34 OECD countries, the United States performed below average in mathematics in 2012 and is ranked 27th. Performance in reading and science are both close to the OECD average.”, critics accused the city of cheating, of rote learning, of excluding disadvantaged children and of subjecting pupils to inhumane pressure. The OECD responded[5]China shines in PISA exams, “Only two percent of American and three percent of European fifteen-year-olds reach the highest level of math performance, demonstrating that they can conceptualize, generalize and use math based on their investigations and apply their knowledge in novel contexts. In Shanghai, it’s over thirty percent.. We’ve tested[6]Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves? OECD Education Today. December 10, 2013 twelve Chinese provinces and even in some of the very poor areas we found performance close to the OECD average.”

By 2015, the OECD found poor Chinese children outperforming Western children in tasks like managing bank accounts, understanding financial risks and responsibilities, estimating income tax and discerning fraud and–to the surprise of all–found them using less rote[7]Lessons from PISA outcomes. Andreas Schleicher, OECD Observer No 297 Q4 2013 memorization than most schools. To illustrate the point, they pointed to typical, highly conceptual Chinese test questions like, “Write 1,000 words on, ‘You are free because you may choose how to cross the desert; you are not free because, either way, you must cross the desert.’” Children’s disposition improved with their subject mastery and when the OECD asked[8]READY TO LEARN: STUDENTS’ ENGAGEMENT, DRIVE AND SELF-BELIEFS – VOLUME III. OECD 2013. Ch. 1 if they feel happy at school, eighty-six percent agreed[9]Seventy-nine percent of American youngsters agreed..

American educator Wendy Kopp[10]Wendy Kopp, founder of Teach for America, to graduates. May 1, 2014 observed, “A couple of decades ago, Shanghai’s school system was plagued by the same problems we’re facing. There were significant disparities between the achievement levels of native children and the children of migrant families and overall educational levels were low. Today, the best international measures show that Shanghai has the highest levels of educational excellence and equity in the world and their fifteen year olds are three grade levels ahead of kids in Massachusetts, our highest performing state.”

When teachers apply for promotion, Shanghai schools invite professors of education, master teachers from across the city, parents and members of the public to observe and critique their ‘public lesson.’ Only Senior Teachers–curriculum innovators with outstanding test results who are expert child counselors and have led research–can apply for administrative roles. Public respect for teachers is high: encountering them in the street, people bow and address them as laoshi, a status higher than our ‘professor’ and the city provides all principals with limousines, personal drivers and regular sabbaticals abroad. When Charlene Tan[11]Learning from Shanghai: Lessons on Achieving Educational Success. by Charlene Tan. 2013 queried them about the children’s social context, one headmaster explained that many parents who had missed higher education, “Put all their hopes in their child and devote all their energies to the child because the child’s learning, school promotion and choice of career determine the fate of the entire family.” Said another, “As long as a child is willing to learn, parents are willing to spend up to seventy percent of the family budget helping them.”

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In 2006, just nine Chinese universities ranked among the world’s top five hundred, with none in the top one hundred. Twelve years later, there were sixty-two in the top five hundred, three in the top ten and one, Tsinghua, ranked first in engineering and computer science. That year, China launched its first pure research university, Westlake, and enrolled one-hundred thirty PhD students. Its chancellor, Tsinghua’s former vice-president promised, “Five years from now our faculty research abilities will be on a par with Tokyo University, Tsinghua, Peking and the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. In fifteen years, every indicator will match Caltech and Westlake will be regarded as one of the best universities–not just in Asia–but in the world.”

Much of his confidence rests on the country’s immense talent pool.

Though we happily compare heritable traits like height, good looks and athletic ability, we are reluctant to do the same with intelligence, some even claiming that IQ is irrelevant to life outcomes. Yet we boast about one percent, our Ashkenazi Jews, who win forty percent of America’s Nobel Prizes. The Chinese have no such ambivalence. Only brilliant students–not wealthy ones–can marry into famous families. Since the dawn of time they have known that intelligence is heritable and, every generation, parental opposition to marrying unintelligent men eliminates their inheritance from the national gene pool.

China’s process of elimination is so ancient that Ron Unz[12]The East Asian Exception to Socio-Economic IQ Influences RON UNZ • THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE • JULY 18, 2012 found their intelligence almost immune to socio-economic factors: healthy Swiss are fifty times richer and receive twice the schooling of poorly nourished rural Chinese (who have carried a heavy disease burden for generations) yet Chinese IQs are consistently higher, “The reported Chinese PISA scores are far above those of the United States and nearly every European country, many of which are almost totally urbanized and have incomes ten times that of China. It is almost unimaginable that any non-East Asian population of rural villagers with annual incomes in the $1,000 range would have tested IQs very close to 100 [the median]. We would certainly expect Chinese numbers to rise further as the country continues to develop, but my point is that East Asian IQs seem to possess a uniquely high floor compared with those of any other population.” Political economist Anatoly Karlin predicts[13]Through A Glass Ceiling Darkly: Racial IQ Disparities and the Wealth of Nations ANATOLY KARLIN • APRIL 16, 2012 that, thanks to the Flynn effect[14]The Flynn effect is the substantial, sustained increase in intelligence test scores measured across the world in the 20th century: when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above the earlier norm of 100., poverty elimination, improved nutrition, and rural education, Chinese IQ will rise to 108, Shanghai’s current level, and double the number of its geniuses.

The implications of Karlin’s prediction are astonishing: about seventy percent of us have IQs between 85-115, sufficient for happy, productive lives, while only five percent–who score 125–qualify for medical school. One in two hundred, those with 140 IQs, can handle a PhD in physics, and just one in ten thousand–super-geniuses with 160 IQs–can do innovative work in any discipline.

The United States, with an average IQ of 100, has thirty-six thousand super geniuses. China, with its 105 IQ average, has three hundred thousand[15]Because IQ is distributed logarithmically and China has four times more people.. Virtually all of these prodigies work for the government and none in finance or business, so it is not surprising that Henry Kissinger[16]Nixon’s China Game. PBS. January 31, 2000, who met only government officials concluded, “The Chinese are smarter than us.”

But IQ is only half the story: the scope of children’s working memory[17]Analogous to computer RAM, working memory is the part of short-term memory devoted to immediate, conscious, perceptual and linguistic processing. predicts[18]“children’s working memory skills at 5 years of age was the best predictor of reading, spelling, and math outcomes six years later. IQ, by contrast, accounted for a smaller portion of unique variance to reading and math skills, and was not a significant predictor of spelling performance.” Investigating the predictive roles of working memory and IQ in academic attainment. Alloway TP, Alloway RG. J Exp Child Psychol. 2010 May;106(1):20-9. academic success even better than IQ, and here Chinese children have a unique advantage. To master their language, they must hold thousands of characters in working memory and use contextual variables to extract their meaning from millions of possible combinations. Even basic literacy thus demands a working memory of considerable power, and this becomes clear when we compare our old reading primer, Fun with Dick and Jane, with their Three Character Classic and its three thousand unique characters. The Classic teaches children to recognize and use the three thousand basic characters, along with their cultural history and morality. Grandparents[19]Google ‘Baby Genius Recites San Zi Jing’ to this day delight at three-year-olds reciting these lines from memory:

人之初,性本善。 Men at their birth are naturally good.

性相近,习相远。 Their natures are much the same; their habits become widely different.

苟不教,性乃迁。 If foolishly there is no teaching, the nature will deteriorate.

教之道,贵以专。 The right way in teaching is to attach the utmost importance to thoroughness.

昔孟母,择邻处。 Of old, the mother of Mencius chose a neighborhood;

子不学,断机杼。 and when her child would not learn, she broke the shuttle from the loom.

窦燕山,有义方。 Tou of the Swallow Hills had the right method.

教五子,名俱扬。 He taught five sons, each of whom raised the family reputation.

养不教,父之过。 To feed without teaching is the father’s fault.

教不严,师之惰。 To teach without severity is the teacher’s laziness.

子不学,非所宜。 If the child does not learn, this is not as it should be.

幼不学,老何为。 If he does not learn while young, what will he be when old?

玉不琢,不成器。 If jade is not polished, it cannot become a thing of use.

人不学,不知义。 If a man does not learn, he cannot know his duty towards his neighbor.

为人子,方少时。 He who is the son of a man, when he is young

亲师友,习礼仪。 should attach himself to his teachers and friends, and practice ceremonial usages.

香九龄,能温席。 Hasiang, at nine years of age, would warm his parents’ bed.

孝于亲,所当执。 Filial piety towards parents, is that to which we should hold fast.

融四岁,能让梨。 Jung, at four years of age, could yield the bigger pears.

弟于长,宜先知。 To behave as a younger brother towards elders is one of the first things to know.

首孝弟,次见闻。 Begin with filial piety and fraternal love, then see and hear .

知某数,识某文。 Learn to count, and learn to read.

一而十,十而百。 Units and tens, then tens and hundreds,

百而千,千而万。 hundreds and thousands, thousands and tens of thousands.

三才者,天地人。 The Three Forces are Heaven, Earth, and Man.

三光者,日月星。 The Three Luminaries are the sun, the moon and the stars.

三纲者,君臣义。 The Three Bonds are the obligation between sovereign and subject,

父子亲,夫妇顺。 the love between father and child and the harmony between husband and wife.

曰春夏,曰秋冬。 We speak of spring and summer, we speak of autumn and winter.

此四时,运不穷。 These four seasons revolve without ceasing.

曰南北,曰西东。 We speak of north and south, we speak of east and west.

此四方,应乎中。 These four points respond to the requirements of the centre.

曰水火,木金土。 We speak of water, fire, wood, metal and earth.

此五行,本乎数。 These five elements have their origin in number.

曰仁义,礼智信。 We speak of charity of heart and of duty towards one’s neighbor, of propriety, wisdom and of truth.

此五常,不容紊。 These five virtues admit of no compromise.

稻粱菽,麦黍稷。 Rice, spiked millet, pulse, wheat, glutinous millet and common millet.

此六谷,人所食。 These six grains are those which men eat.

马牛羊,鸡犬豕。 The horse, the ox, the sheep, the fowl, the dog, the pig.

此六畜,人所饲。 These six animals are those which men keep.

惟牛犬,功最著。 Especially of the ox and dog is the merit most conspicuous;

能耕田,能守户。 one can plough the fields, the other can guard the house.

昧天良,屠市肆。 It is to obscure your natural goodness of disposition, to kill them and expose them for sale.

戒物食,免罪处。 Beware of eating them, and so avoid being punished.

曰喜怒,曰哀惧。 We speak of joy, of anger, we speak of pity, of fear,

爱恶欲,七情具。 of love, of hate, and of desire. These are the seven passions.

匏土革,木石金。 The gourd, earthenware, skin, wood, stone, metal,

与丝竹,乃八音。 silk, and bamboo, yield the eight musical sounds.

高曾祖,父而身。 Great great grandfather, great grandfather, grandfather, father and self,

身而子,子而孙。 self and son, son and grandson,

自子孙,至元曾。 from son and grandson, on to great grandson and great great grandson.

乃九族,而之伦。 These are the nine agnates, constituting the kinships of man.

父子恩,夫妇从。 Affection between father and child, harmony between husband and wife,

兄则友,弟则恭。 friendliness on the part of elder brothers, respectfulness on the part of younger brothers,

长幼序,友与朋。 precedence between elders and youngsters, as between friend and friend,

君则敬,臣则忠。 respect on the part of the sovereign, loyalty on the part of the subject.

此十义,人所同。 These ten obligations are common to all men.

凡训蒙,须讲究。 In the education of the young, there should be explanation and elucidation,

详训诂,名句读。careful teaching of the interpretations of commentators and attention to paragraphs and sentences.

为学者,必有初。 Those who are learners must have a beginning.

小学终,至四书。 The ”Little Learning” finished, they proceed to the ”Four Books.”

论语者,二十篇。 There is the Lun Yü, in twenty sections.

群弟子,记善言。 In this, the various disciples have recorded the wise sayings of Confucius.

孟子者,七篇止。 The works of Mencius are comprised in seven sections.

讲道德,说仁义。 These explain the Way and the exemplification thereof, and expound charity and duty towards one’s neighbor.

作中庸,子思笔。 The ”Chung Yung” was written by the pen of Tzu-ssu;

中不偏,庸不易。 ”Chung” (the middle) being that which does not lean towards any side, ”Yung” (the course) being that which cannot be changed.

作大学,乃曾子。 He who wrote ”The Great Learning” was the philosopher Tsêng.

自修齐,至平治。 Beginning with cultivation of the individual and ordering of the family, it goes on to government of one’s own State and tranquilization of the Empire.

孝经通,四书熟。 When the ”Classic of Filial Piety” is mastered, and the ”Four Books” are known by heart.

如六经,始可读。 The next step is to the ”Six Classics”, which may now be studied.

诗书易,礼春秋。 The ”Books of Poetry”, of ”History” and of ”Changes”, the ”Rites of the Chou Dynasty”, the ”Book of Rites”, and the ”Spring and Autumn Annals”,

号六经,当讲求。 are called the Six Classics, which should be carefully explained and analyzed.

有连山,有归藏。 There is the ”Lien shan” system, there is the ”Kuei tsang”,

有周易,三易详。 and there is the system of Changes of the Chou Dynasty; such are the three systems which elucidate the Changes.

有典谟,有训诰。 There are the Regulations, the Counsels, the Instructions, the Announcements,

有誓命,书之奥。 the Oaths, the Charges; these are the profundities of the Book of History.

我周公,作周礼。 Our Duke of Chou drew up the Ritual of the Chou Dynasty,

著六官,存治体。 in which he set forth the duties of the six classes of officials, and thus gave a settled form to the government.

大小戴,注礼记。 The Elder and the Younger Tai wrote commentaries on the Book of Rites.

述圣言,礼乐备。 They published the holy words, and Ceremonies and Music were set in order.

曰国风,曰雅颂。 We speak of the ”Kuo feng”, we speak of the ”Ya” and of the ”Sung.”

号四诗,当讽咏。 These are the four sections of the Book of Poetry, which should be hummed over and over.

诗既亡,春秋作。 When odes ceased to be made, the ”Spring and Autumn Annals” were produced.

寓褒贬,别善恶。 These ”Annals” contain praise and blame, and distinguish the good from the bad.

三传者,有公羊。 The three commentaries upon the above, include that of Kung-Yang,

有左氏,有彀梁。 that of Tso, and that of Ku-Liang.

经既明,方读子。 When the classics are understood, then the writings of the various philosophers should be read.

撮其要,记其事。 Pick out the important points in each, and take a note of all facts.

五子者,有荀杨。 The five chief philosophers are Hsün, Yang,

文中子,及老庄。 Wên Chung Tzu, Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu.

经子通,读诸史。 When the Classics and the Philosophers are mastered, the various histories should then be read,

考世系,知终始。 and the genealogical connections should be examined, so that the end of one dynasty and the beginning of the next may be known.

自羲农,至黄帝。 From Fu Hsi and Shên Nung on to the Yellow emperor,

号三皇,居上世。 these are called the Three Rulers, who lived in the early ages.

唐有虞,号二帝。 T’ang and Yu-Yü are called the Two emperors.

相揖逊,称盛世。 They abdicated, one after the other, and theirs was called the Golden ge.

夏有禹,商有汤。 The Hsia dynasty had Yü; and the Shang dynasty had T’ang;

周文武,称三王。 the Chou dynasty had Wên and Wu; these are called the Three Kings.

夏传子,家天下。 Under the Hsia dynasty the throne was transmitted from father to son, making a family possession of the empire.

四百载,迁夏社。 After four hundred years, the Imperial sacrifice passed from the House of Hsia.

汤伐夏,国号商。 T’ang the completer destroyed the Hsia Dynasty and the dynastic title became Shang.

六百载,至纣亡。 The line lasted for six hundred years, ending with Chou Hsin.

周武王,始诛纣。 King Wu of the Chou Dynasty finally slew Chou Hsin.

八百载,最长久。 His own line lasted for eight hundred years; the longest dynasty of all.

周辙东,王纲堕。 When the Chous made tracks eastwards, the feudal bond was slackened;

逞干戈,尚游说。 the arbitrament of spear and shields prevailed; and peripatetic politicians were held in high esteem.

始春秋,终战国。 This period began with the Spring and Autumn Epoch, and ended with that of the Warring States.

五霸强,七雄出。 Next, the Five Chieftains domineered, and the Seven Martial States came to the front.

嬴秦氏,始兼并。 Then the House of Ch’in, descended from the Ying clan, finally united all the States under one sway.

传二世,楚汉争。 The throne was transmitted to Erh Shih, upon which followed the struggle between the Ch’u and the Han States.

高祖兴,汉业建。 Then Kao Tsu arose, and the House of Han was established.

至孝平,王莽篡。 When we come to the reign of Hsiao P’ing, Wang Mang usurped the throne.

光武兴,为东汉。 Then Kuang Wu arose, and founded the Eastern Han Dynasty.

四百年,终于献。 It lasted four hundred years, and ended with the emperor Hsien.

魏蜀吴,争汉鼎。 Wei, Shu, and Wu, fought for the sovereignty of the Hans.

号三国,迄两晋。 They were called the Three Kingdoms, and existed until the Two Chin Dynasties.

宋齐继,梁陈承。 Then followed the Sung and the Ch’i dynasties, and after them the Liang and Ch’ên dynasties

为南朝,都金陵。 These are the southern dynasties, with their capital at Nanking.

北元魏,分东西。 The northern dynasties are the Wei dynasty of the Yüan family, which split into Eastern and Western Wei,

宇文周,兴高齐。 the Chou dynasty of the Yü-wen family, with the Ch’i dynasty of the Kao family.

迨至隋,一土宇。 At length, under the Sui dynasty, the empire was united under one ruler.

不再传,失统绪。 The throne was not transmitted twice, succession to power being lost.

唐高祖,起义师。 The first emperor of the T’ang dynasty raised volunteer troops.

除隋乱,创国基。 He put an end to the disorder of the House of Sui, and established the foundations of his line.

二十传,三百载。 Twenty times the throne was transmitted in a period of three hundred years.

梁灭之,国乃改。 The Liang State destroyed it, and the dynastic title was changed.

梁唐晋,及汉周。 The Liang, the T’ang, the Chin, the Han, and the Chou,

称五代,皆有由。 are called the Five Dynasties, and there was a reason for the establishment of each.

炎宋兴,受周禅。 Then the fire-led House of Sung arose, and received the resignation of the house of Chou.

十八传,南北混。 Eighteen times the throne was transmitted, and then the North and the South were reunited.

辽与金,帝号纷。 Under the Liao and the Chin dynasties, there was confusion of Imperial titles;

逮灭辽,宋犹存。 when the Liao dynasty was destroyed, the Sung dynasty still remained.

至元兴,金绪歇。 When the Yüan dynasty arose, the line of the Chin Tartars came to an end,

有宋世,一同灭。 and the House of Sung was destroyed together with it.

并中国,兼戎翟。 It united the Middle Kingdom, and attached to the empire the tribes of the north and west.

明太祖,久亲师。 The founder of the Ming dynasty was for a long time engaged in warfare.

传建文,方四祀。 He transmitted the throne to Chien Wên only four years,

迁北京,永乐嗣。 when the capital was transferred to Peking, and Yung Lo succeeded the latter.

逮崇祯,煤山逝。 At length Ch’ung Chêng died on the Coal Hill.

辽于金,皆称帝。 The Liao Tartars and the Chin Tartars all took the Imperial title.

元灭金,绝宋世。 The Yüans (Mongols) destroyed the Chin Tartars, and put an end to the House of Sung.

莅中国,兼戎翟。 They governed the Middle Kingdom, and also the wild tribes of the north and west;

九十年,国祚废。 after ninety years their mandate was exhausted.

太祖兴,国大明。 Then T’ai Tsu arose, his dynasty being known as Ta Ming.

号洪武,都金陵。 He took as his year-title Hung Wu, and fixed his capital at Chin-ling (Nanking).

逮成祖,迁燕京。 At length, under the emperor Ch’êng Tsu, a move was made to Swallow City (Peking).

十七世,至崇祯。 There were seventeen reigns in all, down to and including Ch’ung Chêng.

权奄肆,寇如林。 The hold on the people was relaxed, and rebels sprang up thick as forests.

至李闯,神器终。 Then came Li Ch’uang, and the Imperial regalia were destroyed.

清太祖,应景命。 The founder of the Ch’ing or Pure dynasty responded to the glorious summons;

靖四方,克大定。 he tranquilized the four quarters (N,S,E,W), and achieved the final settlement of the empire.

廿二史,全在兹。 The Twenty-two Dynastic Histories are all embraced in the above.

载治乱,知兴衰。 They contain examples of good and bad government, whence may be learnt the principles of prosperity and decay.

读史书,考实录。 Ye who read history must study the State Annals,

通古今,若亲目。 whereby you will understand ancient and modern events, as though having seen them with your own eyes.

口而诵,心而惟。 Recite them with the mouth, and ponder over them in your hearts.

朝于斯,夕于斯。 Do this in the morning; do this in the evening.

昔仲尼,师项橐。 Of old, Confucius took Hasiang T’o for his teacher.

古圣贤,尚勤学。 The inspired men and sages of old studied diligently nevertheless.

赵中令,读鲁论。 Chao, President of the Council, studied the Lu text of the ”Lun Yü.”

彼既仕,学且勤。 He, when already an official, studied, and moreover with diligence.

披蒲编,削竹简。 One opened out rushes and plaited them together; another scraped tablets of bamboo.

彼无书,且知勉。 These men had no books, but they knew how to make an effort.

头悬梁,锥刺股。 One tied his head to the beam above him; another pricked his thigh with an awl.

彼不教,自勤苦。 They were not taught, but toiled hard of their own accord.

如囊萤,如映雪。 Then we have one who put fireflies in a bag, and again another who used the white glare from snow.

家虽贫,学不缀。 Although their families were poor, these men studied unceasingly.

如负薪,如挂角。 Again, there was one who carried fuel, and another who used horns as pegs.

身虽劳,犹苦卓。 Although they toiled with their bodies, they were nevertheless remarkable for their application.

苏老泉,二十七。 Su Lao-ch’üan, at the age of twenty-seven,

始发愤,读书籍。 at last began to show his energy and devote himself to the study of books.

彼既老,犹悔迟。 Then, when already past the age, he deeply regretted his delay.

尔小生,宜早思。 You little boys should take thought betimes. 若梁灏,八十二。 Then there was Liang Hao, who at the age of eighty-two,

对大廷,魁多士。 made his replies in the great hall, and came out first among many scholars.

彼既成,众称异。 When thus late he had succeeded, all men pronounced him a prodigy.

尔小生,宜立志。 You little boys should make up your minds to work.

莹八岁,能咏诗。 Jung at eight years of age, could compose poetry.

泌七岁,能赋棋。 Pi, at seven years of age, could make an epigram on ”wei-ch’i.”

彼颖悟,人称奇。 These youths were quick of apprehension, and people declared them to be prodigies.

尔幼学,当效之。 You young learners ought to imitate them.

蔡文姬,能辨琴。 Ts’ai Wên-chi was able to judge from the sound of a psaltery.

谢道韫,能咏吟。 Hsieh Tao-yün was able to compose verses.

彼女子,且聪敏。 They were only girls, yet they were quick and clever.

尔男子,当自警。 You boys ought to rouse yourselves.

唐刘晏,方七岁。 Liu Yen of the T’ang dynasty, when only seven years of age,

举神童,作正字。 was ranked as an ”inspired child”, and was appointed a Corrector of Texts.

彼虽幼,身己仕。 He, although a child, was already in an official post.

尔幼学,勉而致。 You young learners strive to bring about a like result.

有为者,亦若是。 Those who work will also succeed as he did.

犬守夜,鸡司晨。 The dog keeps guard by night; the cock proclaims the dawn.

苟不学,曷为人。 If foolishly you do not study, how can you become men?

蚕吐丝,蜂酿蜜。 The silkworm produces silk, the bee makes honey.

人不学,不如物。 If man does not learn, he is not equal to the brutes.

幼而学,壮而行。 Learn while young, and when grown up apply what you have learnt;

上致君,下泽民。 influencing the sovereign above; benefiting the people below.

扬名声,显父母。 Make a name for yourselves, and glorify your father and mother,

光于前,裕于后。 shed lustre on your ancestors, enrich your posterity.

人遗子,金满嬴。 Men bequeath to their children coffers of gold;

我教子,惟一经。 But I teach you children only this book.

勤有功,戏无益。 Diligence has its reward; play has no advantages,

戒之哉,宜勉力。 Oh, be on your guard and put forth all your strength.

Notes

[1] Excerpted from The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective by Puzhong Yao. American Affairs. Winter 2017 / Vol I, No 4. More from him at http://ajourneytothewest.co.uk/

[2] Their families are officially enrolled in the government’s anti-poverty campaign.

[3] Shanghai tops global state school rankings, Chris Cook, FT, December 8 2010.

[4] Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) Results. 2012. “Among the 34 OECD countries, the United States performed below average in mathematics in 2012 and is ranked 27th. Performance in reading and science are both close to the OECD average.”

[5] China shines in PISA exams

[6] Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves? OECD Education Today. December 10, 2013

[7] Lessons from PISA outcomes. Andreas Schleicher, OECD Observer No 297 Q4 2013

[8] READY TO LEARN: STUDENTS’ ENGAGEMENT, DRIVE AND SELF-BELIEFS – VOLUME III. OECD 2013. Ch. 1

[9] Seventy-nine percent of American youngsters agreed.

[10] Wendy Kopp, founder of Teach for America, to graduates. May 1, 2014

[11] Learning from Shanghai: Lessons on Achieving Educational Success. by Charlene Tan. 2013

[12] The East Asian Exception to Socio-Economic IQ Influences RON UNZ • THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE • JULY 18, 2012

[13] Through A Glass Ceiling Darkly: Racial IQ Disparities and the Wealth of Nations ANATOLY KARLIN • APRIL 16, 2012

[14] The Flynn effect is the substantial, sustained increase in intelligence test scores measured across the world in the 20th century: when the new test subjects take the older tests, in almost every case their average scores are significantly above the earlier norm of 100.

[15] Because IQ is distributed logarithmically and China has four times more people.

[16] Nixon’s China Game. PBS. January 31, 2000

[17] Analogous to computer RAM, working memory is the part of short-term memory devoted to immediate, conscious, perceptual and linguistic processing.

[18] “children’s working memory skills at 5 years of age was the best predictor of reading, spelling, and math outcomes six years later. IQ, by contrast, accounted for a smaller portion of unique variance to reading and math skills, and was not a significant predictor of spelling performance.” Investigating the predictive roles of working memory and IQ in academic attainment. Alloway TP, Alloway RG. J Exp Child Psychol. 2010 May;106(1):20-9.

[19] Google ‘Baby Genius Recites San Zi Jing’

 
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  1. Good story, although it sounds a tad apocryphal – the type of ‘false confession’ that religious people have fallen for since Augustine.

    It boils down to: “I was at the cognitive bottom of my society, but I am at the top of yours” which is the same as saying “Your society is shit, mate” but masking it by false self-deprecation.

    Also,

    Ward

    Wald. And he wasn’t ignored. His work was published, and was a major contributor to his eventual fame.

    Also:

    Writing using ideograms is dumb; the Chinese need to stop doing that.

    The average Anglophone has a passive vocabulary of 40,000 words, and an active vocab of about half that; the average Anglophone knows the meaning of ~10,000 words by age 8.

    The average educated Chinese high schooler knows ~7000 ideograms, many of which are morphemes that enable them to get an approximation of the meaning of a composite ideogram that they had not previously encountered.

    “口香糖” requires context to get ‘chewing gum’. (Literally it means mouth fragrant sugar).

    Each composite is like an attempt to represent a thing using concepts : that characteristic of the language is more likely to be the underlying driver of mental flexibility, than the requirement to learn the ideograms.

    By contrast: we have 26 letters, and all words are composites of those letters. If you haven’t seen a word before, knowing all 26 letters doesn’t help, even though it seems to me that when I encounter a new word, the first-cut guess at its meaning is the extent to which it has the same ‘shape’ as a known word (plus the context).

    Context is probably as important as the letters; people know what ‘synecdoche‘ means without having to look it up (a lot of people can’t pronounce it, but that’s a different thing).

  2. d dan says:

    No doubt many commenters will criticize this article as another “chi-com” propaganda and Chinese shills, but invariably, the critiques will fail to appreciate the deep and profound importance Chinese place on education for thousands of years. In addition to the civil exam (keju) that the author mentions, consider a few of the following historical factoids:

    1. Confucius was the first in the world to found a private school over 2000 years ago, without the support of any government fund. Further, he proposed the idea (有教无类) that all people, regardless of status, class or background (even for slave), should be allowed to receive education. It was an idea that was so well ahead of time. In addition, he did not require any students to pay any tuition – everyone could pay according to what they could afford: a piece of silver, a sack of rice, some chores or nothing at all.

    2. Mencius, another great philosopher in the Warring State, set another example of the role of education. His mother had to move their place of residence three times because the neighborhood was not conducive to learning. One time, the young Mencius skipped class from school. The mom took out a scissor and cut a piece of painstakingly weaved fabric (their main income) into pieces. It taught the young Mencius that skipping classes was like cutting fabric: they disrupted all previous efforts. This happened in an era when basic necessity of life was still scarce for almost everyone.

    3. In Han dynasty, a poor young man loved to read very much. Since he had to work in the field during day time, the only time he could study was at night. But he could not afford the price of lamp oil, so whenever it got dark, it created a problem. Desperately, he found a method by drilling a hole in the wall so that he could read next to the hole under the light from the neighbor.

    4. YueFei, the most renounced general from the Song dynasty (or the whole Chinese history) was also known to be studious since young. Unable to afford the writing material, he improvised by using tree branch to practice writing on sand spread out on the floor.

    All these stories are still being taught to young students in Chinese schools today. To truly appreciate Chinese culture, people need to understand the centrality of education and the sacrifices they are willing to undertake. It is good that Internet has lowered the cost of learning tremendously, but even a few decades ago, I personally knew of a poor Chinese couple who were willing to spending their life-saving so that their son could receive a good education.

    This is nothing to do with communism or PRC brainwashing.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  3. anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    This is what a unified, ethnically homogeneous (relatively) country with a common personality type, dearth of racial infighting, a culture of education, and collectivist mentality will get you. Teamwork, and societies based around it, will be the future. Selfish, atomized individualism and multiculturalism are headed to the trash heap…along with the countries that championed it. It’s just a comparatively less efficient way to organize a society.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Lin says:

    Math is racist, science is racist…
    IQ is racist. (look, I’m not kidding, just look at how threads here on IQ attract racialist comments)
    PISA is racist (it has strong correlation with IQ)
    I refer to sinophobical racism, semite-phobic racism….
    Instead of PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment), I suggest :
    PIGDA(Programme for International Gender Diversity Assessment )
    Replace IQ (Intelligence Quotient) by
    **IQ(Islamic Quotient)
    **IQ(Indigo Quotient)
    **IQ(Indic Quotient)
    ** throw in yours, try Irish Quotient, Inuit Quotient…

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  5. Reisen says:

    It should be mentioned China only chose four of its wealthiest, most affluent provinces to be represented in PISA rather than the nation as a whole. It would be equivalent to the US using only the most elite high schools in order to give its data.

    Chinese PISA scores should be suspect – even WaPo is suspicious. The gains are too huge, and the country refuses to release data from the other provinces.

  6. China’s PISA provinces/cities account for <15% of their total population and they selected the most elite ones. Furthermore, their coverage ratio was a paltry 81%. Germany had 99% and Finland had 96%.

    I would need to see all of China’s provinces being sampled and at a coverage ratio of at least >90% before any conclusions can be drawn of any robustness.

    healthy Swiss are fifty times richer and receive twice the schooling of poorly nourished rural Chinese (who have carried a heavy disease burden for generations) yet Chinese IQs are consistently higher

    Isn’t this a giant failure on the part of Chinese that a supposedly less intelligent people are so massively richer? I will give you a hint, summed up in a single word: productivity

  7. utu says:

    The math problem 1 is mistranslated. Does not really make sense. The math problem 2 is poorly translated.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  8. Rahan says:

    “ethnic minorities, nine per cent of China’s population, occupy nine per cent of undergraduate positions”
    — whoa, the situation with these Nazis is far worse than anyone thought!!!1111one1111!!

    “In 2006, just nine Chinese universities ranked among the world’s top five hundred, with none in the top one hundred. Twelve years later, there were sixty-two in the top five hundred, three in the top ten and one, Tsinghua, ranked first in engineering and computer science. ”

    — that’s the reason the whole world keeps imagining China with a terrible time-lag.
    This time-lag of “always seeing the world as it was a generation ago” is also:
    *why most Americans and Canadians refuse to admit that whites become a minority in 2050,
    *refuse to realize that Eastern Europe is by now a completely normal and safe place, functioning broadly on the level of the 1980’s West (and consciously refusing to go beyond),
    *refuse to realize that Russia upgraded its army massively, after the 2008 war with Georgia led to total victory in 5 days as opposed to 1 day,
    *refuse to realize that China in 2020 is as different from China in 2010, as the West in 1960 was different from the West in 1950–because the “speeded up history” locus has shifted.
    * refuse to realize that even in Brazil, India, and many parts of Negro Africa, the middle class has grown incredibly in just 10 years.
    *refuse to realize North Korea is already a mixed economy with supermarkets and malls and fancy cars in the cities
    *refuse to realize that Turkey and Mexico are regional manufacturing mini-giants,
    *refuse to admit that in the West you can now be destroyed for telling the wrong joke, USSR style,
    and so on.

    This “generational lag of perception” is doing many folks a great disservice. It’s very unlikely, that the decline of the West being currently (((engineered))) means another civilization will take its place–they can’t. The West at its height is a ceiling no one else can break through, only approach, but a Great Convergence is indeed taking place, and not admitting this is not only stupid, but self-destructive.

    Today’s Romanians or Slovaks can build an airport or a subway branch faster than today’s Germans or Americans. Not because today’s Eastern Europeans have become super awesome–they’ve simply reached the stage for which they fought the commies for, which they dreamed about–to be like the West in the 1980’s. Which is suddenly a level of functioning which the West Proper finds it very difficult to maintain.

    The East climbed upward, the West slid downward, convergence is here to stay. But this time, in the 21st century, with open borders and more or less free info exchange. This is encouraging. If the thousands of US whites scythed by drug addiction, depression, and suicide, instead start over in the East–even in bleeding Cambodia or the Philippines, not to mention China, Russia, and Poland–this will be of great benefit to everyone.

    Well, except, perhaps (((certain interests))).

    If white death can be transformed into intercontinental white flight, if the people who are now dying of hopelessness instead start leading a normal decent life in Latvia or Malaysia, that would be a world I can believe in.

  9. The case has been made for IQ among races, Asians, not just Chinese, have marginally higher IQ’s than Caucasians. Jews have the highest.

    A case can also be made for how a race uses it’s intelligence on the world stage. Asians are expert at imitating, and Jews with deviousness. Caucasians have contributed the most in the modern era in terms of benefit to mankind.

    Since Jews are Caucasian, then it stands to distinguish between various Caucasoid groups. That distinction derives from the three sons of Noah. The rest is history.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Rahan says:

    Concerning my mention of today’s North Korea becoming an increasingly mixed economy country.

    Since currently the only countries having sane relations with North Korea are China and Russia, if you want to know what the real deal with North Korea is—learn Russian or Chinese.

    Because North Koreans work in Russia and China, and Russians and Chinese people go to North Korea as tourists or investors. Thus you get normal info, as opposed to dramatic agenda-laden media reports.

    Here’s some pics:
    https://lovigin.livejournal.com/765958.html
    https://theins.ru/opinions/andrej-lankov/141621
    https://www.factroom.ru/obshchestvo/north-korea-photos
    https://itravel.livejournal.com/16842.html
    https://zabaka.ru/4344_torgovyi-centr-v-severnoi-koree.html
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/travelmaniac/taikom-sdelannye-foto-v-severokoreiskom-supermarkete-5c5559d7eadc8400b0577a97
    https://zergulio.livejournal.com/5277577.html

    They’re still mad as hatters, of course.
    Just opened an “ideal city”: https://varlamov.ru/3696950.html

    • Replies: @xcd
  11. Svevlad says:

    Eh, seems like China is suffering from academic bloat. So many to go to college isn’t actually good.

    On the other hand, since all the regional Chinese languages are going to go extinct, perhaps it’s finally time to adopt a phonemic writing system? More aesthetic, and less myopic kids – optics are important

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @ZZZ
    , @TRM
  12. Tom67 says:

    Just talked to a very good friend who works in a world class factory in South Germany making special fuses. And they make robots as well. Generally I tend to agree with the authors take on Chinese educational achievement, but I wonder. My friend was involved in setting up the subsidiary in Shanghai. They have an even greater dearth in qualified workers than in Germany but now there is another problem in their Shanghai factory: all encompassing control. My friend put it like that: nowadays you can record any step and any hand movement an employee makes. And that includes those specialists who maintain and repair the incredibly expensive tool machines (really robots) that produce the fuses. But in Germany on purpose they don´t evaluate those data. Sometimes of course. But not on a routine basis. They don´t do it as they have found that monitoring employees constantly results only short term in increased output. On the long term it destroys collaboration, team spirit and self confidence. If workers can´t make mistakes anymore they won´t improve.
    That is exactly what the Chinese branch is doing: subjecting their workers to an Orwellian amount of control. It is good for the German factory of course as their competitors (within the multinational both work for) are losing their ability to innovate. But for the Chinese workers it is deadly. They experimented with that sort of thing in Germany and found it not only inhuman but also counterproductive. Just my two cents…. I believe that things are more complicated than simple IQ calculations or educational achievements. (Which might be tainted anyhow by the well known Chinese tendency to falsify results to achieve some arbitrary aim)

    • Agree: houston 1992
  13. This is so funny. China ‘entered’ seven ‘regions’ one of which is Taiwan…how did that work? Also, printing in those simplified characters are ridiculous.

  14. @Reisen

    China is not an OECD member, though it hopes to be admitted in the future.

    It began integrating its reporting methodology with the OECD in 2008 by bringing its GDP stats into conformity. The following year, one Chinese city took the PISA test, came out on top, and increased its lead every triennium since then.

    Expanding participation to five provinces whose per capita GDP matches ours is a natural next step and no doubt we will see full national participation in the next ten years.

    There is no reason to doubt its scores. The tests were overseen by OECD inspectors, as they are everywhere. WaPo doubts every Chinese positive and promotes every negative as Divine revelation–and has always done so.

    As to other provinces, the OECD’s Andreas Schleicher says they have tested them and, “Even in rural areas and in disadvantaged environments, you see a remarkable performance.”

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  15. @Thulean Friend

    See my response to Reisen, above, re other provinces.

    Productivity growth remains healthy, you will be happy to hear:

    And wages accord with that, too:

    Perhaps because of this:

  16. @utu

    Thanks.

    Is there enough context so that you can correct it?

    I would be most grateful.

    • Replies: @utu
  17. utu says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No, the problem 1 does not make sense. There is no question there.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  18. @Reisen

    You missed the part where Shanghai outperforms Massachusetts – which is the top performing US state. You also miss that that poorest students in the 4 Chinese did better than the average of the rich countries. Thats not the author saying so…. The PISA is a measure for OECD countries and they denote all of those things in the report.

  19. @utu

    I found the original.

    Let’s see if a sharp eyed Unz reader can correct it:

    • Replies: @ZZZ
    , @Teacher in Ch
  20. @Godfree Roberts

    There is no reason to doubt its scores.

    We doubt how representative they are of all of China, and until we have full data for the entire country, there is no reason to give up those questions.

    Furthermore, a coverage ratio of just 81% compared with many OECD countries’ 95-99% means that the weakest students in China’s most elite provinces do not get tested. It is typically those who are the weakest who drop out of high school (and hence do not get tested, which depresses the coverage ratio).

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
    , @Realist
  21. Similar objections have been raised in the past but have not withstood scrutiny.

    Here are some comments from the OECD:

    The Pisa tests showed that Shanghai was top of the international education rankings.
    But it was unclear whether Shanghai and another chart-topper, Hong Kong, were unrepresentative regional showcases.
    The OECD’s Andreas Schleicher said, “Fairness and relevance are not the same thing”
    Mr Schleicher says the unpublished results reveal that pupils in other parts of China are also performing strongly.
    “Even in rural areas and in disadvantaged environments, you see a remarkable performance.”
    In particular, he said the test results showed the “resilience” of pupils to succeed despite tough backgrounds – and the “high levels of equity” between rich and poor pupils.
    “Shanghai is an exceptional case – and the results there are close to what I expected. But what surprised me more were the results from poor provinces that came out really well. The levels of resilience are just incredible.”
    Mr Schleicher is confident of the robustness of this outline view of China’s education standards.
    In an attempt to get a representative picture, tests were taken in nine provinces, including poor, middle-income and wealthier regions. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17585201

    The PISA 2015 assessment of financial literacy was the second of its kind. The results show the extent to which 15-year-old students have the financial knowledge and skills needed to make a successful transition from compulsory schooling into higher education, employment or entrepreneurship. For many 15-year-olds, finance is part of everyday life, as they are already consumers of financial services, such as bank accounts, and earn money from formal or informal small jobs. As they near the end of compulsory education, students will face complex and challenging financial choices, including whether to continue with formal education and, if so, how to finance such study.

    Students in Beijing-Shanghai-Jiangsu-Guangdong (China) (hereafter “B-S-J-G [China]”) score at the highest level among the countries and economies that were assessed in financial literacy in 2015 [Figure IV.3.2].

    Only 9% of students in B-S-J-G (China) do not reach the baseline level of proficiency (Level 2) in financial literacy (compared to 22% of students on average across the 10 participating OECD countries and economies) [Table IV.3.2]. At best, these students can identify common financial products and terms, recognise the difference between needs and wants, and make simple decisions on everyday spending in contexts that they are likely to have experienced personally. For instance, students performing below Level 2 in financial literacy can, at best, answer a question like INVOICE – Question 1 (available at http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test), which asks them to recognise the purpose of an everyday financial document, such as an invoice.

    Some 33% of students in B-S-J-G (China) are top performers in financial literacy [Table IV.3.2], meaning that they are proficient at Level 5 (compared to only 12% on average across the 10 participating OECD countries and economies). These students can analyse complex financial products, solve non-routine financial problems and show an understanding of the wider financial landscape.

    For instance, students performing at Level 5 are able to answer a question like BANK ERROR – Question 1 (available at http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test), which asks them to identify and respond appropriately to a financial scam e-mail message.

    Students in B-S-J-G (China) perform better in financial literacy than students around the world who perform similarly in mathematics and reading. About 73% of students in B-S-J-G (China) provinces perform better in financial literacy than expected, given their scores in mathematics and reading [Table IV.3.11].

    The relationship between socio-economic status and performance in financial literacy is above the OECD average, as 17% of the variation in student performance in financial literacy is
    associated with countries/economies) [Table IV.4.12].

    Moreover, students in B-S-J-G (China) who attend schools in cities score 54 points higher in financial literacy than students of similar socio-economic status and at the same level of education who attend schools in rural areas [Table IV.4.15].
    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2105-Financial-Literacy-Beijing-Shanghai-Jiangsu-Guangdong-China.pdf

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  22. nymom says:

    The fact that the Chinese are very intelligent has always impressed me; however, the way they don’t care for animals shows a basic flaw in their character I think.

    Even the fact that they allow political prisoners to be forced into surgery so the state can profit from selling their organs, again, shows me some even deeper flaws.

    I have to think that there is something missing in their ’emotional intelligence’ maybe for want of a better term…I just don’t know.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Troll: d dan
  23. Biff says:
    @nymom

    The fact that the Chinese are very intelligent has always impressed me; however, the way they don’t care for animals shows a basic flaw in their character I think.

    Just yesterday, me and my Chinese wife were discussing that we should move to more of a plant based diet out of respect for the animals. Though, we agree’d we could never go full vegetarian – bacon is just too good.

  24. DB Cooper says:
    @d dan

    “All these stories are still being taught to young students in Chinese schools today.”

    Not during Mao’s time. If you talked like that you would be labeled a 臭老九 and risked being dragged out to those struggle sessions to get a good beating by the red guards. Many intellectuals were killed during those times, including the brother and uncle of Wu Chien-Shiung, the physicist who performed the experiment to verify the parity violation in weak interaction proposed by Lee and Yang.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chien-Shiung_Wu

    Even Confucius was not spared. His temple was also destroyed by the red guards .

    Fuck the piece of shit Mao fucking Ze fucking Dong.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  25. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    Isn’t this a giant failure on the part of Chinese that a supposedly less intelligent people are so massively richer? I will give you a hint, summed up in a single word: productivity

    Thank you for your comment.

    How hard does China work?

    The average Chinese worker puts in somewhere between 2,000 and 2,200 hours each year, Wang Qi, a researcher at Beijing Normal University, told the Wall Street Journal last year.

    That compares to a UK average of 1,677 hours last year, according to figures from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/how-hard-does-china-work

    Source: http://archive.ph/4Qp06

    There is something known as the “Equity home bias puzzle” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_home_bias_puzzle

    On a relative basis, U.S. investors are the least “home-biased” investors (and also least cash-biased investors (see charts below)) in the world and this makes U.S. capital markets, relatively speaking, the most efficient/rational in the world, which also helps to raise productivity, because money/capital is invested/deployed wisely/productively.

    Asian (and some other Western) capital markets are extremely inefficient, and that also contributes to China’s lower productivity.

    This article tells the story:

    Americans Are Investing Billions In Corporate China. It’s Time China Returns The Favor.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/10/10/americans-are-investing-billions-in-corporate-china-its-time-china-returns-the-favor/

    [MORE]

    Here’s how much the Chinese invested in the U.S. stock market so far this year: $5.4 million, according to data from Morningstar Direct. That’s right: 39 million yuan, which is $5.4 million. To put that into perspective, according to estimates from China International Capital Corp, the weighting for the A-shares in the MSCI Emerging Markets Index alone is estimated to bring in $22.7 billion to corporate China. Billions versus millions.
    […]
    Make no mistake about it, Chinese individuals and institutional investors would love to put money in the U.S. They are restricted. Washington should ask Beijing to move faster on lifting those restrictions.
    […]
    They saw what happened with the Asian Tiger Crisis of the 1990s. They have a billion people to keep in line and don’t want anything remotely similar at home.

    Source: http://archive.ph/zhB42

    Source: http://archive.ph/Nz9ao

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  26. As someone who lives for more than one decade in China and works in education, your ideas about Chinese students and the education system here are hilarious, much as your other fiction about China. With your idea about the 三字经 and the role it would play in education I actually made my students laugh. Thanks for that.

    • Troll: Blinky Bill
  27. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred Barnes

    Non Jewish whites are just as devious as Jews. Just look as Anglos and Italians.

    As far as your claim about benefiting mankind, this is just biased nonsense. Ask the Native Americans or the Middle East, or Africans, or Asians what they think.

    Their lives would have been better if white people didn’t exist.

  28. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    There are cultural reasons the Chinese do not respect animals the same way we do in the west, but I do not see them as morally inferior.

    Just look at how American White people acted as our country grew from a backwater nation into prosperity.

    Slavery, genocide of Native Americans, internment of Japanese, etc etc.

    I think the main difference is that in America you hear exaggerated China coverage and you get certain stories in America scrubbed like Epstein.

    • Replies: @nymom
  29. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    last time Guangdong(the richest province of China) stand for China in the PISA test, the result is not good:10.
    People in Guangdong don’t respect education as much as other places, possibly because the business tradition, they think the child can just inherit the business or start their own to make a good living.
    If we put the relatively poor and populous provinces Shandong, Henan, Hubei, Hunan into the list, they can beat the currently No.1 team B-S-J-Z China. These four provinces emphasis education a lot as a tradition.
    If IQ is a real thing, it matters, but for sure it’s not the only thing that matters, not even near the front list of importance that matters.
    What I see in this PISA result, it says nothing about Chinese IQ, it only says that Chinese is pushing the children so hard that they don’t have other better choice in front the global competition.
    It’s dumb, but it’s efficient.
    It’s sad, epically sad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. Lobbying for the Chinese government again? It’s amazing how difficult it is for non Chinese to recognize intelligence in the Chinese. I just can’t help thinking that plaintively offering Westerners your national exam results and stories about China’s illustrious past won’t achieve the desired results. Generally speaking, smart people impress others as being highly intelligent without having to resort to dredging up exam scores from way back when. Also an exam can only reveal so much about one’s actual mental ability. Another consideration might be that maximizing one’s scores on a standardized exam only demonstrates one’s capacity for taking tests. BTW, reading still basically requires gleaning information from the text which can then be used to make inferences. Reading between the lines can also be useful this way. Stop whining about taking tests and fix your country!

  31. Willem says:

    In terms of question 3

    ‘but Ward, a statistician’

    It’s Wald not Ward which, apparantly, the hyper-intelligent makers of this school test did not know. Makes me wonder how they defined what good reasoning and self-expression is? -Probably defined by a committee and committees never fail of course (but don’t know how to spell a name right)

    Now about the survivorbias of whom Wald was the first to put it into a statistical equation (answer question 3), I have little story about women who took a certain type of pill to reduce post-menopausal complaints. And of whom American scientists found that, miraculously, it also reduced heart-attacks in women who took this medication (as compared with women of the same age who did not take these pills). Consequence: all post-menopausal American women were adviced to be put on this pill as it reduced both postmenopausal complaints and heart complaints! This was endorsed by the ‘smartest’ and most ‘renowned’ Medical scientists who, of course, made the guidelines, whose research was funded by the pharmaceutical industry (but that has probably ‘nothing’ to do with this story) and the pharmaceutical industry was making a killing! Perhaps some of the readers here remember the adds at the time, I am speaking of the 1990s early 00s.

    [MORE]

    Now there were some, stubborn, scientists who disagreed with the smart scientists and persisted that something must have been wrong with the results. They demanded a clinical trial (which takes years to conduct), and which the US government payed in the end (that means you, dear American citizen), while at the same times the guidelines and the pharmaceutical industry, who payed your lovely media millions of USD, promoted sales of these drugs through ‘compelling’ advertisements and talks from scientists.

    Result: women who used this pill, died MORE OFTEN from heart complaints (and cancer and thrombosis).

    Question 3 rephrased: How could the smart and renowned scientists be wrong in their assesment that these pills reduced heart attacks?

    Well, I don’t know how quick it takes you or a 15 year old from China to answer this question, but it took the medical community almost another 10 years to answer this question after the trial was published!

    Answer: women who start to use this drug develop heart disease very quickly, so fast that those who participated in the studies that showed that these pills reduced heart complaints, were already diseased before they were enrolled in the study. And that is, dear student, a typical example of Wald’s survivorbias.

    Now for the rest of this OECD test some sceptical notes that are not hard to grasp, yet important if you do not want to fall into the trap of lies, damned lies and statistics

    Question 2 (the essay question): what a student gets for that essay as a score totally depends on the teacher who is reading the essay. As I do not think that there was one teacher who looked at all the essays and next, scored all of them in the same (unbiased) way, the result could mean anything. If I were the teacher, I would say that any student who would have written down: ‘Fuck off!, I have better things to do with my life’ would get a 1000 over a 1000 points. Not sure if the OECD obedient teachers agree with me.

    And in terms of question 1: I remember these mathematical equations from high school. I was not terribly good at it, but could solve most of them (I got good grades). But what always irritated me, and still irritates me, is that it was never explained to me why we had to solve these puzzles! Some teachers said: ‘you find out later’, which was a lie, except when you specialized into a field where you needed these equations (but then the question arises why you needed to know how to speak German language or learn geography, history, etc).

    Not that I did not like high-school, in fact I loved it, all these puzzles that waited to be solved by me and showing of to others (needed for survival in class when you weren’t very good at gymnastics). But the one thing that did not teach you, and in my opinion defines smartness, is how to ask a question. High school makes you into a walking encyclopedia, but since you have no idea what to do with it, you forget most of that what you have learned within a year.

    In relation to the total score of this test: even the highest scoring countries only get 500-600 points per queried topic. Does that mean that most15 year olds from countries do, on average score a 5 or 6, i.e. terribly fail in the assignment?

    And then there is also the question how students who participated were selected, the question if in all counties every 15 year old goes to school, and how the OECD made sure that the results were not fraudulous.

  32. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t buy PISA as a whole.

    There is no way the Phillipines is below the Domincan Republic or other African nations.

  33. J says: • Website

    This would be frightening if I did not know that the Chinese people is benevolent and generous.

  34. Gee says:

    Sorry my bad English but your comments are funny …obviously it hurts your American soul not to be exceptional and the best! So Chinese must cheat, Russians are corrupted etc etc. But maybe we all agree that modern America has become crazy and degenerated, too. But my point is guess what! My children told me that here in Finland only the best from their class were selected for the Pisa test…they said it was cheating and I totally agree! I wonder how the coverage is calculated, per school or per pupil? Yes, Finland the least corrupt country in the world:). What a joke! Most of our politicians are corrupt, too, just waiting some EU nomination with big salary and think only about their own best and how to please Frau Merkel and EU. Not to mention the most recent government scandals.

    • Replies: @Willem
    , @Anon
  35. Fascinating article, a glimpse of a completely different culture that is not necessarily one that I would choose to grow up in.

    One question: if the Chinese students are so good with working memory and so well prepared, why do they cheat so much in western universities?

    This is not just my observation, as there are studies on academic misconduct that show massively disproportionate involvement by Asians. Lest anyone think that it is just language-related courses, the Chinese cheat like mad in mathematics and computer science.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  36. Thomasina says:

    I’m reminded of the Chinese mothers I overheard at the ice rink. Their conversations always revolved around what “level” their children were at, and if someone else’s child was at a higher level, you could just see the wheels of shame turning. Then the discussion would turn to what could be done to improve the situation, and all manner of advice was given. When the child came off the ice, I’d often hear the mothers tell their children that she/he must do better, that they are falling behind. They were four and five years old! Ditto at the swimming pool, piano lessons, studying. Constant comparing, constant competition.

    Isn’t this what Japan did? Children in lessons before school started, after school ended, tutors at night, tutors on the weekend. Where are they now?

    Sounds like you’re born, your childhood is sacrificed. You didn’t set the rules, but you have to play them; you have no choice. It’s either the treadmill or you’re squeezed through the Shame Grinder.

    Sounds like slavery.

    Where’s the melody? Oh, that’s right, they don’t do melody.

    • Agree: Lo
  37. gotmituns says:

    The chinks are smart but they’re not developers. They seldom have an original idea. Once there’s a prototype, they can improve upon it. For example, before the Beijing Olympic, they had to bring in Albert Speer’s son (everyone knows how smart those Germans are} to show them how to clear up their smog problem for the games.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  38. Willem says:
    @Gee

    Thanks for that comment. Exactly what I thought: How do you get selected to be part of this test?

    Perhaps the only thing the result shows, is that China really wants to be part of the big club, which is the OECD. Others perhaps just send there least able students to do this test or don’t mind at all.

    Lies, damned lies, and statistics!

  39. Men at their birth are naturally good.

    Who knew Chingchong was a comedian?

    “That’s gold, Jerry! GOLD!”

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  40. Watim says:
    @Thomasina

    Japan? I’m fairly sure you’re thinking about South Korea, also known as the place with the most suicides in a developed country (Uh, ignoring Russia).

    Japan suffers from a soulless work environment, sure, but the education is slavery in South Korea.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  41. Miro23 says:

    It’s interesting to see who’s at the top (China) and who’s at the bottom (Philippines).

    The Chinese government is concerned with raising the level of every Chinese, and they dedicate serious thought and resources to it. And they organize it in tandem with industrial development to provide jobs for these newly trained young people.

    In contrast Philippine governments are notably corrupt and protect an oligarchic and exploitative elite with their contempt for the impoverished mass of the population. They’re certainly not going to send serious resources their way. There’s also the race factor, in that the Philippines commercial elite are mostly ethnic Chinese who don’t identify with Philippinos.

    My guess would be that the US is heading down the ranking (towards the Philippines) rather than up it (towards China).

  42. Onebornfree says: • Website

    Article Summary:

    a state “educated” [i.e. brainwashed] moron pontificating on the glories of the Chinese state run “education” [i.e. brainwashing] system, as compared to the state run brainwashing systems of other countries.

    And all the similarly brainwashed fools here nod their collective heads and will predictably conclude: “ “we” need to be more like China” .

    “Stupid is as stupid does”.

    And so it goes…….

    “Regards” onebornfree

  43. @Thulean Friend

    All of the US is not used either. Only a few states were used. Massachusetts was one – which is the highest performing state. And if you read the details of the report – the poorest Chinese students in those regions were higher than the average students in OECD countries. Also if you add up the population of those provinces in China they would be the 4th or 5th largest country in the world. Not everything is a conspiracy. Unless you are going to say the conspiracy is to make OECD adopt Chinese methods of education… Except then Singapore – Macau – Hong Kong are mostly ethnic Chinese people too… They are the next three on the list.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  44. @jbwilson24

    I have been in college classes where many people blatantly cheated… None of them were Chinese. When you look for faults in any group you can find it. But its easier to just be racist against some others.

    • Replies: @FvS
  45. Bruno says:

    The selection in China is very corrupt . For the same university, you will be a score at 1 in 20 versus 1 in 10 000 , yes 500 times more selective, depending where you come from. Some province have no spot left in top Universities. And then, University have quotas to select outside of score, important people and party members.

    The system is no better than USA. That’s why they don’t produce Nobel prizes nor medal fields.

    Mandarin China is better represented by French Grandes Écoles !

  46. Realist says:

    Reasoning

    Description: During WWII, US and British military forces conducted research on the distribution of bullet holes on battered combat aircraft in an effort to upgrade their protective capability. Most scientists agreed that the upgrade should focus on areas with most bullet holes but Ward, a statistician, prevailed over them, noting that attention should be paid to the parts with less bullet holes, since if those parts were damaged, the planes would have a smaller chance of returning home. However, his statistics were ignored. Later investigation proved Ward’s theories were, in fact, correct. Please write an essay based on this information.

    Why would an essay be needed to explain simple reasoning?

  47. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    …the way they don’t care for animals shows a basic flaw in their character I think.

    Fascinating point of cultural import you raise. Yet, some minority types in the country will swear that (many) Whites would break their backs to save a dying pet but turn their backs on Blacks/Latinos in distress. An Iraqi in the early stages of the second Gulf War stated that Americans treated their dogs better than they did Iraqis. Some Asian societies feasting on dog meat is regarded as loathsome in Western societies where owners share their beds with their pets and not make a meal out of them. But in largely vegan societies like India, carnivorous eating habits are equally frowned upon. Never mind the 35 million stray dogs in the country (with 18-20k rabies cases a year, WHO), or the sacred cow given free reign in cities across the country and defecating with abandon.

  48. Realist says:
    @Anonymous

    As far as your claim about benefiting mankind, this is just biased nonsense. Ask the Native Americans or the Middle East, or Africans, or Asians what they think.

    Their lives would have been better if white people didn’t exist.

    How could they know that??? But I sure as hell would like to cut off all support for those people and find out.

  49. What happened to India this time around? I didn’t see any scores for them on the table. I believe they did participate in a prior PISA, putting up their two best provinces: Himachal Pradesh in the north, and one of their top-scoring southern provinces (maybe Tamil Nadu?). They ended up being disappointed in the results, so maybe that’s why they passed this time.

  50. Realist says:
    @Svevlad

    Eh, seems like China is suffering from academic bloat. So many to go to college isn’t actually good.

    Compared to What? If you are an American…stating that is rich. Well over 50% of American college students don’t belong there.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  51. Anonymous[627] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A very sensible comment. Years ago, when I lived with my family in Chappaqua, NY, our next door neighbors were Chinese and their two children were the same ages as two of mine. Every Saturday they attended Chinese school and, according to the older, the Chinese kids were already studying techniques of test-taking in the fourth grade. This used to be common practice at Jewish programs as far back as when I was in grammar school in the 1950s.

    There is (or at least was) an English language blog of professors from India’s medical schools with threads lamenting the fact that as much as half their students’ education is practicing to take the physicians’ licensing exams in Western countries, not to mention that in many schools grades are as available for sale as books in the bookstore.

  52. GammaRay says:
    @nymom

    europeans depopulated and displaced people around the entire world for over five centuries; compared to how europeans have acted the chinese are saints. Not only that, but people just like yourself still make excuses and rationalizations for the exploitative and psychopathic behavior of european colonists in the past, surely the fact that you and many others like you tend to engage in this sort of behavior must imply a basic flaw in your all’s character as well?

    those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks…

    The chinese may not care for animals, but whites obviously don’t care for people LOL*

    *I dont actually feel this way about white people but its a good way to show how ridiculous you sound

    • Agree: d dan, Showmethereal
    • Troll: Thulean Friend
  53. GammaRay says:
    @DB Cooper

    I disagree, Mao was as they say: “70% good and 30% bad”. You have to consider the larger picture here:

    1.at the time that Mao came around, china was moribound and ossified by its own traditional culture; in a very real sense china needed to be “shaken up” a little (or a lot). Its easy for us to say in retrospect that Mao was bad for destroying traditional chinese culture, but neither of us have the advantage of being able to live back then and see first hand how backwards chinese culture was in some ways. Mao took a wrecking ball to traditional chinese culture, but maybe this was what was needed at the time.

    2.Mao’s misadventures in the 60s and 70s have powerfully inoculated the chinese against ideological extremism for at least a few generations (maybe much longer, the chinese do have a long memory afterall). The west is currently failing due to being afflicted by myriad, perverse ideologies but the same could not happen in present day china due to their own relatively recent, bitter experiences with ideological extremism. I think that the CCP’s successful, highly technocratic, pragmatic approach is in a very real sense a lasting reaction to the lunacy of the cultural revolution; without one, there could not be the other.

    • Agree: Chinaman
  54. Anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    The west has de facto social credit. Actual western white nations are forbidden to tell the truth about race, or gender, or sexuality, or religion, or even history and science. They have to lie relentlessly to themselves and their invaders on pain of ruination and obscurity or even death.

    Whereas in China people like Theodore Beale who wrote the 16 points of the Nationalist Right can appear on Chinese State television.

    What allegiance does any Christian Nationalist owe to the ludicrous diversity LGBTQ west? None. No allegiance.

    The Chinese laws of social credit by comparison are designed to promote discipline and cohesion and prevent degeneracy and delinquency. They serve the same purpose as the old Christian self policing if concupiscence. The State panopticon replaced the conscience with real world responses to moral choices.

    White men are legally prohibited from interacting with white women in America via title XI laws whereas the Chinese state actually gives it’s males beautiful Uighur wives. For example.

    Respect is due. China is ascendant. The West is balkanised and mired in lies fundamental to every aspect of civic life. Equalitarianism and diversity.

    China actually acknowledges the existence of it’s nation. The Wests ((leaders)) say western nations are just “propositions”.

    Well they are going to get civil conflict. Inevitably.

    We know the western ((elites)) are occultist pedophiles. And the Chinese know it.

    The Chinese leadership’s greatest decision was to refuse to allow the Zionist and Jewish disapora and other western degenerates to migrate en masse to China.

    David Spengler has made that absolutely clear, and the next 25 years are going to be characterised chiefly by the struggle between the Jewish disapora and the Chinese, which the diaspora will lose.

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    Whites will be largely irrelevant beyond self preservation.

    Chinese educational achievement now is what white education used to look like before the wars and just after. Genuinely meritocratic and disciplined.

    Meanwhile education in the US is designed to reduce the intelligence of it’s recipients.

    If you’re in the Oceania region start learning Chinese immediately.

    Nothing China does is any different then in the West. The West harvests the organs of aborted white children. China harvests the organs of prisoners.

    The Internstional Monetary Fund model indebts countries and provides money in return for loss of sovereignty. China does the same.

    The West now euthanises it’s old and sick. The Chinese just require their families to take care of them.

    The Post Christian pedophile occultist pagan west is shrouded in darkness and division.

    Imagine what it must be like in Chinese schools, not having to be impeded and diverted by Nogs and Cholos and Muslims and homosexuals and trannies and retarded teachers etc chimping out every 5 minutes.

    Chinese learn that China is a noble country with a manifest destiny. We learn cultural Marxist lies that say western civilization is the most evil that ever existed from it’s enemies.

    China was created by the West however. Deliberately.

    If you look on the American Conservative there is a piece by an ex Treasury official. It shows there was zero marginal capital investment in the US from about 2000. That was when Bill Clinton and Hillary were under Senate investigation for giving Chinese intelligence state secrets in return for laundered dark money.

    That article points out that the trade war has happened just in time.

    The deliberate industrialisation of China and deindustrialization of the US coupled with US debt was creating a death spiral. The US would have to service it’s debt based on consuming Chinese exports from a dwindling capital base and debased purchasing power. Meanwhile the Jews would move all their assets and communities to China while the US economy collapsed.

    But the Chinese went rogue under Xi Jinping, to an extent. So now who knows what’s going to happen.

    China has structural economic problems as well. But they’re in a better position to deal with them.

    So I can believe the PISA figures. China has much more of an empirical world view now then the Promethean Luciferian Solipsist West.

    https://frjohnpeck.com/why-sexual-morality-may-be-far-more-important-than-you-ever-thought/

    Despite being.non Christian, China is more civilized in terms if sexual mores then the West.

    JD Unwin spent years in the 30s studying socio sexuality strictly from a rationalist standpoint.

    Here is the chief finding;

    “Total sexual freedom: If total sexual freedom was embraced by a culture, that culture collapsed within three generations to the lowest state of flourishing — which Unwin describes as “inert” and at a “dead level of conception” and is characterized by people who have little interest in much else other than their own wants and needs. At this level, the culture is usually conquered or taken over by another culture with greater social energy”.

    It’s characterised by a loss of pre nuptial chastity, monogamy and rational thinking.

    Unwin wrote in 1936. We’re already in the third generation where we are conquered by other cultures.

    God’s moral laws are real, and breaching the natural law leads to dire consequences. Purely from a rationalist perspective. The Chinese know this. This is why they don’t allow overt sexual degeneracy. They’ve banned basketball American music and they keep homosexuals in the closet.

    China is hardly a model, but they don’t allow sexual licentiousness to destroy society, and they ruthlessly quash any hint of transsexualism, and they police pre nuptials and are now more monogamous then the West.

    The West is ruled by women and children and aliens who promote sexual consciousness and racial submission. Aldous Huxley’s orgy porgy and Soma.

    So I believe these numbers.

    And the solution is to reclaim as much of the West as possible from it’s enemies within and without.

    • Agree: Monotonous Languor
  55. GammaRay says:
    @gotmituns

    you sound really low IQ when you throw out terms like “chinks”. How seriously would you take somebody if they littered their comments with words like “nigger” or “spic”? This has less to do with political correctness and more to do with the fact that you just sound uneducated and crass when you needlessly use epithets. Using “chinks” instead of just saying chinese people really drags down the perceived quality of your argument.

    On the plus side I guess you get points for being edgy and politically incorrect! 😉

  56. OECD tests fifteen year-olds

    Tests of children aren’t relevant. Better to test 25 year olds.

    China, aspiring to join the OECD club of developed nations, entered seven regions with a total population of 250 million–Beijing, Shanghai, and Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan

    How many blacks in these regions? How many Arabs in these Regions?

  57. What’s going to be the outcome of all these hyper-educated Chinese coming of age? Are they going to be clever enough to realise the limits of their government system, in terms of freedom of expression etc? Or are they educated in a such way that it doesn’t occur to them?

    In the west, some sharp minds have been wasted by using up their braincells on multi-culti concerns. Perhaps in China, their braincells are wasted by coming up with pro-commie justification.

    • Replies: @ZZZ
  58. The United States, with an average IQ of 100, has thirty-six thousand super geniuses.

  59. @Anonymous

    If every last mohammedan vanished at once our world would be vastly improved.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  60. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    I do not believe PISA , it is organized by the OECD ( Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development ) so it is an OECD tool , a globalistic tool , Its headquarters are located in Paris , its official languages are english and french . It is used by Governements to compete just like in the Eurovision song contests , and to manipulate the national teaching systems . The babelic data that PISA produces are unreliable .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

  61. @Sick of Orcs

    Agreed, we should pray to Allah to make that happen.

  62. Maybe they’ll forgett f****ng over education

  63. If American scores are broken out by race, how do whites score?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @FKA Max
  64. nymom says:
    @Anonymous

    Slavery and genocide to take over land has been the hallmark of every civilization that I can think of even it was just internal warfare between factions within an established territory.

    Western civilization is not unique in that regard.

    Japanese internment a necessary evil while we fought a war against an opponent that, make no mistake about it, could have won if they managed to get the nuclear bomb first.

    I often wonder if the US would have been treated as well by a Japanese occupation as we ultimately treated Japan during our occupation.

    Seeing the results of Japanese invasion of Nanking, somehow I doubt it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. nymom says:
    @GammaRay

    The point being that Western civilization has matured; whereas China, a much older civilization than ours, is still doing the exact same things as we hear of barbarians doing to both animals and people…

    Let’s focus on the right here and now of what’s going on in China…

    Ok.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @GammaRay
  66. Uku says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Yearly hours of studies would be more accurate.
    For example Estonia has 2-3 weeks less studies per year than does Finland.
    Estonian children study about 1400-1500 hours per year on average.

  67. @GammaRay

    Watch this video of Chinese slaughtering dogs for their “culinary culture” :

    Besides dogs, Chinese also eat : birds nests, shark fins, snakes, cats and monkies. Human embryos are eaten “for health”.

    Chinese pay poachers in Africa to kill rhinoceroses, because they believe eating their horns increases their sexual potency.

    Slaughtering people for organ theft is an official government industry.

    Should we send missionaries to civilize the Chinese and lift them up to a higher stage of morality? Deus vult!

  68. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gee

    Thank you for your sincerity , you are Finnish I understand , thank you very much . I guess they do the same in all the countries .

    Maybe you know that in many european countries Finland is set as an example in education because of its good results in PISA . The press in many european countries is always praising the Finnish educational model .

    Any stupid journalist of any european country can pontificate in the sunday suplement of the main newspapers about how good is the education is in Finland . Just by reading the PISA report the journalists think they can tell the country teachers how to teach . So , many european teachers are fed up with the lessons that PISA and the journalists give them about the Finnish educational model .

    I have been in Helsinki as a tourist , it is a nice city , nice people , I like it . But a peripheric european country with only 5 million people , with a difficult language without germanic , slavic or latin roots , can not be an example for other countries with more important languages .

    Finns have to learn other languages , swedish is spoken by aprox 10 % of the population , but even swedish is not an important language , so Finns have to learn english , german or russian to communicate with their neighbours and with the world .

    So , again thank you for your comment , which reinforces my impression that PISA is good only for Governments , for globalists , jounalists , pedagogues and bureaucrats , but neither for the students and their families nor for the teachers .

  69. nymom says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I couldn’t even watch the video…

    And this behavior from a civilization thousands of years older than ours in the west…

    The west was actually the youngest of all the great civilizations as we started farming later than all of the others. We were a race of herders…Someone once said that is why we still have such a strong attachment to dogs and horses.

    It’s a puzzlement.

    Not to mention the forced organ donations from living people…

    I don’t care what anyone says about the Chinese, there is definitely some critical element missing here, like empathy or something…

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Troll: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Showmethereal
  70. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    NY mom , maybe you like more these photos of our slaughterhouses , indeed they are from civilized western slaughterhouses , from our much more civilized West , not like the chinese .

    https://www.shutterstock.com/es/search/slaughterhouse

    • Replies: @nymom
  71. Realist says:
    @Thulean Friend

    We doubt how representative they are of all of China, and until we have full data for the entire country, there is no reason to give up those questions.

    As well I doubt the inclusivity of scores…say from the southside of Chicago and other concentrated areas of POC in the US.

  72. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Teamwork, and societies based around it, will be the future.

    Please substantiate this claim.

    Selfish, atomized individualism and multiculturalism are headed to the trash heap…along with the countries that championed it.

    Why? Evidence please.

    It’s just a comparatively less efficient way to organize a society.

    Please explain.

  73. ZZZ says:
    @Reisen

    The gaokao stats can be used to extrapolate from B-S-J-Z to other provinces. Places such as Guizhou , Qinghai, Guangxi, and even Guangdong (all places with genetics measurably different from BSJZ) do score much lower, but places such as Hunan Hubei & Hebei score better. Only that the gaokao is taken at age 18, and therefore automatically excludes the bottom few percent of the population who have already dropped out at that point.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  74. @Godfree Roberts

    Mr Schleicher says the unpublished results reveal that pupils in other parts of China are also performing strongly.

    The question is what “strongly” means. Strongly for a developing country? I can believe that. Same level as this highly unrepresentative sample? I call bullshit.

    All this speculation means nothing until we get the actual data on China’s full population, not less than 15% of it (and the most elite provinces at that). And we would need to see a strong coverage ratio of at least 90% for it to be valid.

    It’s as simple as that.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  75. @GammaRay

    Europeans created the modern world and made it much safer. Without Europeans, the world would still be in darkness and ignorance. Europeans were not more ruthless than others, just far more technologically sophisticated, which enabled Europeans to dominate would-be competitors. There is no morality play here.

    You should be thanking white people for creating the modern world which your ancestors were completely unable to do.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
    , @Biff
  76. @Showmethereal

    From NCES:

    The PISA 2018 school sample was drawn for the United States by the PISA consortium. The U.S. PISA sample was stratified into 8 explicit groups based on region of the country (Northeast, Central, West, Southeast), and control of school (public or private). Within each stratum, the frame was sorted for sampling by five categorical stratification variables: grade range of the school (five categories); type of location relative to populous areas (city, suburb, town, rural); combined percentage of Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and American Indian/Alaska Native students (above or below 15 percent); gender (mostly female (percent female ≥ 95 percent), mostly male (percent female < 5 percent); and other); and state.

    The US sample was representative of the country.

    The US quivalent of what China did would have been to only select Massachusetts and a few mostly white north-eastern states like Maine or New Hampshire and then call it a day.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  77. d dan says:
    @Blinky Bill

    It is amazing that a troll like @nymom could hijack a comment thread of article on education into slaughtering of animals.

    I am sometime quite amazed by the shameless-ness of these anti-China trolls.

  78. @Blinky Bill

    There is a difference between a very rare exception (which would condemned if it were widely known) and a common practice (which is considered acceptable) in a country of 1,3 BILLION people. Deus vult!

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  79. When you concentrate on the three r’s instead of diversity, gender identity, affirmative action, racism, and let’s don’t forget global warming, of course, you score higher on those three unimportant subjects,as the 3 r’s. , but let’s not forget their ignorance in what western countries are emphasizing, which surely will propel those people to the top of the heap.

  80. @Thomasina

    This incident never happened I challenge you , all hearsay your a damn liar

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  81. @Biff

    why do you britisg descendad people bring up your ugly asian sell out ,every chance you get are you trying to Impress your fellow whites,and with a name like yours i am not surprised.

  82. ZZZ says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Productivity is roughly proportional to worker skill multiplied by capital per worker. A proxy for capital is cumulative steel stock, by which measure China is still years behind old industrial countries.

    Besides, PISA tests 15 year olds; they are not part of the work force yet. The average Chinese worker today come from an era when most kids were rural and most rural kids did not go to high school.

    So you are actually getting things backwards: current PISA score is not the input that predicts current worker productivity, but rather the other way around. Worker productivity predicts income, which predicts investment into education, which predicts PISA score. Looking at it this way, you will see China is getting a lot more education for the same buck than you, implying a more efficient educational system.

    If you ever had kids in US public schools, you would observe that they are very inefficient at teaching academics.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  83. Roman_01 says:

    We’ve tested[6] twelve Chinese provinces and even in some of the very poor areas we found performance close to the OECD average.”

    I dont see any such information in provided reference ( http://oecdinsights.org/2013/12/10/are-the-chinese-cheating-in-pisa-or-are-we-cheating-ourselves/ )

    In fact google search found only this article containing mentioned quote.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  84. There is Russian saying “do not search for truth where there is none”. Applies to PISA 100%.

  85. ZZZ says:
    @Svevlad

    I would expect the optimal college attendance ratio to be higher for populations with higher mean IQ, other factors being comparable or at least converging in 15 years.

  86. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Slaughtering people for organ theft is an official government industry.

    Sorry, you are confusing China with “democratic” Kosovo. That’s what the US and its vassals created.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  87. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Dog eating has a long history of consumption in Asia including China and Korea as peasant food. However, the spread of religion such as Buddhism and Islam which prohibits the consumption of certain meats as well as the dawn of the Industrial Revolution saw an almost complete wipeout of the practice with isolated places in China in North Korea the only remaining places that have niche markets for it. The practice didn’t become mainstream knowledge until 2009 when the prefecture of Yulin, Guangxi Province in China started the 10 days long “Lychee and Dog Meat Festival” where festival-goers eat lychee fruit and dog meat. The festival was originally authorized by local officials as an attempt to draw in more tourists and businesses to the city. The city government has since distanced itself from the festival due to popular backlash over it. As well, there have been other dog meat festivals such as the Jinhua Hutou dog meat festival in East China’s Zhejiang province. But the Yulin festival has been the poster child due to its media coverage.

    Facts:

    The consumption of dog meat is limited to Yulin after the Jinhua Festival was banned in 2011.

    The supply of dogs killed for the festival was <1000 in 2015

    Survey results of Chinese living in Yulin about Dog eating:

    72% have never eaten dog meat or rarely eat it.

    28% eat it on a regular basis

    12% percent eating it weekly

    Chinese celebrities such as Chen Kun, Yang Mi, and Fan Bingbing have spoken out against it.

    Peter Li, China policy specialist for HSI, said: “Despite the effort by dog traders to heavily promote the eating of dog for the last seven years, it’s clear that the majority of Yulin residents still don’t eat it on anything like a regular basis. The truth is that eating dog and cat is not part of China’s mainstream culinary practice even in Yulin, the home of the dog meat festival. We’ve already seen the Yulin authorities take steps to curb the sale of dog meat, so we hope that these survey results will encourage them to go even further. Far from being vital to the Yulin economy or way of life, the dog meat festival is a national disgrace that tarnishes the name of the city around the world. Now is the time to end it.”

    Qin Xiaona, director of CAWA, said: “The survey results are encouraging. The survey tells the world that Yulin’s food culture is not defined by the local dog meat traders. Their cultural claim is not supported by the survey. Those of us who lived in Guangxi in the past know that dog meat consumption was a distasteful habit. You just did not cook dog meat in your own kitchen. The survey results should encourage the Yulin authorities to correct the misperception perpetrated by the dog meat industry by fostering a new and healthy food culture in line with the rapid progress in the rest of the country.”

  88. @ZZZ

    If you ever had kids in US public schools, you would observe that they are very inefficient at teaching academics.

    In the US public schools don’t teach, period. They function as kindergartens, just trying to keep students out of trouble.

  89. Thomasina says:
    @Watim

    Watim:

    “Japan? I’m fairly sure you’re thinking about South Korea…..”

    No, I remember our elite telling us we needed to be more like the Japanese, more studious and productive. This was in the 80’s.

    I also remember seeing a Japanese professor on T.V. speaking about this. He said (and this wasn’t the only source for this information) that the children were going to school before actual school started, then after-school studies, then school on the weekends, etc.

    This Japanese professor said that the Japanese were good copiers (like the Chinese), but were not good innovators, and he lamented the fact that, for all the studying, very few Nobel prize winners ever came out of Japan.

    Sounds like South Korea and China are going the same route.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @Bill Jones
  90. ZZZ says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Given the figure, the translation is correct.

  91. Svevlad says:
    @Realist

    Nope, God forbid I be an American, I’d turn into a basket case and probably be unable to even use a computer! I’m a Serbian, and we have that problem too. It’s global, I think.

    I was mostly referring to how Asians are so desperate to get into college despite it not really being that educative or important, or, most importantly useful. Seems to me it’s some kind of parental inferiority complex and they think if their spawn completes college he becomes a special snowflake, and that kind of mentality is bad, because:

    1. It reduces the value of a college degree
    2. Produces a bunch of overqualified people who might be smart and intelligent but are still idiots with leek up their ass who now just think they’re above hard work (this applies more to non-stem fields nowadays)

    But whatever, I’m for abolishing them altogether, instead supporting a system that would supply the most efficient learning calculated per one’s intelligence, perhaps even genetically since tech progresses. That way people fulfill their maximum potential with minimum waste

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
    , @Realist
  92. Svevlad says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You’re walking proof that westerners are prone to moral outrage on a genetic level. Wah wah this wah wah that, literal SJWs and equally annoying. Truly the sign of feminized society, which is why perhaps quarantining everything west of the former iron curtain (peace be upon it) might be a smart idea.

    Now don’t you even think about thinking about starting me with some we wuz fucking bullshit, this idiocy has started only recently – if it was older, the Swiss wouldn’t be eating cat and dog either.

    Reminds me of histrionic childless commie old women here, God willing, they shall either be deported or executed, make the world a bit better in the second case.

    As for the entire muh cheating muh x y z trivialities, I propose the solution:

    FUCK the OECD with a rusty AIDS-infested, dogshit covered stick. Civilizational secession immediately. I want a world divided so severely into wholly different civilizations that world maps can no longer be made, as if anyone who even glimpses upon an area that belongs to another civilization goes apoplectic immediately, probably digging his own eyes out. Impossible? Probably. Should we strive for it? Absolutely.

    End the hate, separate :^)

  93. Jason Liu says:

    I was taught the three character classic and ended up remembering like the first 3 lines. In fact I’ve never seen a kid actually recite all or even most of the thing. Young kids are unlikely to grasp the full meaning of the thing anyway, I dunno why it’s still done — it’s outdated pedagogy from the 1800s.

    PISA scores are nice but they don’t measure adult ability. A lot of bright kids end up as cogs in the machine, good paying jobs but no outlet for doing cutting edge things. There needs to be more risk taking and less focus on salaries (or higher salaries for risk takers, either way).

    • Replies: @ZZZ
  94. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Besides dogs, Chinese also eat : birds nests, shark fins, snakes, cats and monkeys.

    Besides dogs, Europeans also eat : nerves, ears, frogs, cats and horses.

    Human embryos are eaten “for health”.

    Europeans eat people “for fun”.

    Tu quoque!

  95. Thomasina says:
    @britishbrainsize1325ccheehee

    britishbrainsize1325ccheehee – “This incident never happened I challenge you , all hearsay your a damn liar.”

    No, I’m not a liar and, no, this wasn’t just one incident. I saw this over and over again in the school system, at the skating rink, at the pool, etc. I didn’t record the conversations, just put them in my memory bank, along with the memories of freezing my feet off at the side of the rink.

    The Chinese are known around here for cheating on driving tests (getting someone else to take the test for them), cheating on exams (getting someone else to write the exam for them), money laundering, fraud. I wouldn’t trust any results coming out of China.

    Look, I’m not saying the Chinese are any more stupid than we are; it’s just that they’re no brighter. They just study more.

    The greedy U.S. elites and the greedy Chinese elites got together about four decades ago and decided to use Chinese slave labor to make themselves rich. Without the U.S. know-how, western technology (technology partially paid for by U.S. taxpayers), China would still be back in the Stone Age.

    It’s easy to build a country using technology that’s already been perfected, then copy it. Much harder to do it from scratch.

  96. @Thomasina

    This Japanese professor said that the Japanese were good copiers (like the Chinese), but were not good innovators, and he lamented the fact that, for all the studying, very few Nobel prize winners ever came out of Japan.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/japanese-win-another-nobel-prize-again/

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  97. ZZZ says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    It is just a myth. Chinese people are actually more aware of propagandization and narrative shaping than “normies” in the West; read the article and you will see that the PISA test actually shows this. Smart people just do not get brainwashed. The West’s unnuanced perception of China does display either a high level of group think a.k.a self-brainwashing or some form of narrative shaping going on behind the scenes gearing toward a clash of civilizations, which would benefit not the main combatants but rather smart bystanders.

  98. Anonymous[474] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    The age of civilization matters less than the economic stage of development. True to form, China has increased its civil liberties as its economy has developed. Of course you won’t see this in the media since the media is set on using moral standards as a hammer to bludgeon China on. No one cared about Chinese rights when they were making cheap shit for us.

    Why should the rest of the world be held to some moral standard the west has when the rest of the world is not near as economically developed?

    And since the west showed huge huge moral depravity when it was developing?

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  99. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    That is just Western Propaganda.

    See this link on the longest genocide in human history which was perpetuated by America.

    https://www.dewereldmorgen.be/community/the-american-indian-holocaust-known-as-the-“500-year-war”-and-the-world’s-longest-holocaust-in-the-history-of-mankind/

    If you feel this way about the Japanese Internment, I wonder if you also are the type to Harp on China for Uiger rights? The Japanese were not even committing terrorist acts. The Chinese are at least treating their Uigers better than we treated the Japanese.

  100. Thomasina says:

    There is a South African fellow (with his American friend) who went to China, learned Mandarin, taught there, and they put out videos on China (they’re on Youtube). Both these fellows married Chinese women.

    One of their videos was on education. One of the Chinese wives laughed and said that the Chinese and Western education systems are opposite to each other. She said in China you are forced to study, study, study during school years, have to study very hard to pass the final exam, but then you get to cruise in university. She said that’s the opposite to the Western system, where you get more time to be a child during school years, but must study very hard once you get to university.

    Do we want to do that to our children? I don’t. Talk about crushing souls.

    • Replies: @Anon
  101. Thomasina says:
    @Blinky Bill

    The Japanese are smart people. Good for them!

    When I look at the ages of the Japanese people who have won the Nobel Prize since 2000, almost all of them are old and would have attained their education long before the period I was talking about (the study ’til you drop period that the Japanese professor was talking about).

  102. ZZZ says:
    @Jason Liu

    It is from the Nan Song period, the 1200’s. It is a syllabus, every couple of lines one lesson. Therefore no need to memorize the whole thing itself as long as the lessons are absorbed. It teaches the invariants of this world, so there has been no need to change a word except to append a synopsis of later history.

  103. @Thomasina

    I have my doubts my parents never pushed education on me or my siblings any more than parents of other races, I have 20 cousins and having grown up together I never heard theis parents prressure them about school or studies, we were all self motivated.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  104. GammaRay says:
    @nymom

    The point being that Western civilization has matured; whereas China, a much older civilization than ours, is still doing the exact same things as we hear of barbarians doing to both animals and people…

    see what I wrote here:

    Not only that, but people just like yourself still make excuses and rationalizations for the exploitative and psychopathic behavior of european colonists in the past, surely the fact that you and many others like you tend to engage in this sort of behavior must imply a basic flaw in your all’s character as well?

    So its actually not just about western civilization itself, its also about those who defend its every exploit. Alt-righters must have a basic flaw in their character since they still insist on defending european colonization (while ironically at the same time crying about the injustice of their own racial/cultural displacement LOL).

    Also has western civilization actually matured? Last time I checked, even within the past twenty years the US was still antagonizing the rest of the world (IE bombing the shit out of muslims and occupying their home countries). Western civilization never matured, rather it had its wings clipped by various circumstances within the past one hundred years or so. Had the west not been weakened then they would still be proud, arrogant and aggressive.

    Let’s focus on the right here and now of what’s going on in China…

    So in other words you can’t argue with my logic. Like I said, those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks. Compared to how unethically whites have historically acted, the chinese have a long, long, long way to go to catch up with them; animal cruelty is just a drop in the bucket

  105. GammaRay says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I have nothing to add, other commenters already put you in your place 🙂

    that being said, none of the things you brought up detract from my original argument:

    europeans depopulated and displaced people around the entire world for over five centuries; compared to how europeans have acted the chinese are saints. Not only that, but people just like yourself still make excuses and rationalizations for the exploitative and psychopathic behavior of european colonists in the past, surely the fact that you and many others like you tend to engage in this sort of behavior must imply a basic flaw in your all’s character as well?

    dont think I didnt notice your clumsy sleight of hand by trying to post all that moral outrage bullshit

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  106. GammaRay says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Europeans created the modern world and made it much safer. Without Europeans, the world would still be in darkness and ignorance.

    You overstate your case. The west has done many great things and many awful things. I have no problem admitting that; do you? Also…without europeans the entire american landmass would still be populated by its native inhabitants, im sure the displaced and genocided indigenous people around the world would agree that europeans “made life better for them”

    Europeans were not more ruthless than others, just far more technologically sophisticated, which enabled Europeans to dominate would-be competitors. There is no morality play here.

    Except europeans are more ruthless than others. The ming dynasty in the 15th century was in a position to conquer the world with their massive fleets lead by zheng he, yet they chose not to. Instead of displacing and genociding native inhabitants of the places they went to, they merely traded with them. How crazy is that?!

    That being said, if there is no morality play here, then why do people like yourself and the rest of the alt-right whinge about how unfair the current state of affairs in the west is? For various reasons the west has lost its cultural and racial integrity, but there is nothing unfair about this. That’s just the way life is, there are winners and losers; why dont you guys just get over it already? The europeans outfoxed and dominated their competitors and now europeans themselves are being outfoxed and dominated by a confluence of different factors and competitors. There is no morality play here, so the alt-right should stop acting like there is anything unfair about what is happening now in the west.

    You should be thanking white people for creating the modern world which your ancestors were completely unable to do.

    You should be cursing your ancestors for creating the modern world because its the modern world itself which is consuming the west. It was white people who originally united the entire world by force (ironically whites were the very first globalizers), and it is white technology that continues to make the world a smaller and smaller place via technological inventions such as the internet and airplanes. Without things like the internet and airplanes then mass-immigration/multi-culturalism would be happening at a snails pace if it were even happening at all.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anonymous
    , @Thomasina
  107. @Svevlad

    I have a couple of questions that concern your reasoning.

    1) Do you consider China to be a socio- economic miracle?
    2a) If no, what do you make of them being the first meaningful (perhaps first ever) country to eradicate poverty (they are on par to get that done in less than 5 years)?
    2b)If yes, then do you not think that their educational system had anything to do with that?

    I see China as a stunning success that’s on pace to do truly great and inspiring things. I’m not saying the world should copy them in lockstep, nations should be free to go their own way, I’m just saying that in light of all of their achievements you come off as a hater who is primarily looking for faults and then focusing intensely on those when in reality they are insignificant and are a simple reflection of an imperfect world.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Svevlad
  108. @Frederick V. Reed

    Waaaay better. I found that breakout a few years ago and sent it to my (Australian, hem, hem) brothers who felt thoroughly justified in continuing to send boat people back to wherever they came from. I will try to dig it up.

  109. @Thulean Friend

    “At or above the OECD average.” i.e., around 489, or close to the US aggregate score.

  110. @Roman_01

    “China has an unusual arrangement with the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the organization responsible for PISA. Other provinces took the 2009 PISA test, but the Chinese government only allowed the release of Shanghai’s scores. The Financial Times quotes Andreas Schleicher, one of the OECD officials responsible for PISA, as saying, “We have actually done PISA in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average.” ”
    https://www.brookings.edu/research/pisas-china-problem/

  111. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Steve Sailer just wrote about it: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    “U.S. white students outscored Japan and South Korea.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Jackjack
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  112. AaronB says:
    @GammaRay

    I generally disagree with your China boosting, but this was a very true comment.

  113. lavoisier says: • Website
    @nymom

    For sure you are right about that.

    The treatment of animals in China is deplorable.

    Any person who is cruel to a helpless animal is immoral and evil, regardless of IQ.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  114. Realist says:
    @Svevlad

    In this modern age the only degree worth obtaining is a STEM degree…with the possible exception of a few others.

  115. nymom says:
    @Anon

    I guess the difference is in the West they experience shame behind this sort of behavior towards animals; even in slaughter houses they try to conceal it from the public. Actually farms in many states have gotten laws passed to make it a criminal offense for people to film in slaughter houses or on farms in general w/o permission from the owners.

    Why? Because they don’t wish the American public to see what is going on…

    In China I don’t see any evidence of any shame for this sort of conduct. They kill these animals openly in public with no corresponding outcry from the Chinese people themselves.

    Not to mention what they do to their own people with this forced organ donation business.

    AND I don’t see any corresponding outrage on the part of the Chinese public on that issue either…

  116. AaronB says:
    @FKA Max

    Considering that US whites have nothing like the insane cram culture of Japan or South Korea, this is absolutely astonishing.

    People don’t believe me when I tell them the US is far from finished yet, and has tremendous vitality left.

    On the other hand, the truth is PISA is kind of bullshit anyways. Much like IQ, the results simply don’t correspond to real world accomplishments very well at all.

    But the quantifiers don’t do complexity.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  117. nymom says:

    This is the only comment you have made that I would agree with…Western technology (internet, cellphones, airplanes, cars, trains travel, etc.,) has made the world a much easier place to get around and communicate. Not to mention that our advances in medicine and farm production has enabled the increases in population that we see today throughout the rest of the world.

    Not to mention electricity and access to toilets and clean water which we have given other civilization, although far older than our own, the expertise to implement in their own countries should they chose to do so.

    Not expecting any gratitude or anything from the rest of humanity, of course, since there are always those such as yourself to come up with something that happened 150 years ago or so in an attempt to degrade the very civilization that has given all of this knowledge to mankind.

    So China, India and all the rest of them might talk about being 5,000 years old whatever. It is meaningless when you look at their contribution to humanity during that period which was just about nothing…

    I am happy they have adopted much of the West’s technology/knowledge and are doing well now…Good luck to them but don’t try to compare them with the West as they took no risk, made no effort or unique contribution to mankind as compared to a much younger civilization than theirs…

    We have nothing to be ashamed of…

  118. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Lin

    I refer to sinophobical racism, semite-phobic racism….

    Most prominent, so-called “race realists” are actually Sino- and Judeophiles. I prefer to call them Sino- and Judeofetishists, because that more accurately describes their mindset, in my opinion.

    Case in point:

    Jewish Genius by Charles Murray

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    ——

    Reality:

    The Myth of East Asian Intellectual Supremacy by Peter J. White

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161109101940/http://thecross-roads.org/race-culture-nation/25-the-myth-of-east-asian-intellectual-supremacy

    JEWISH INTELLECTUAL SUPREMACISM: A REFUTATION by Andrew Ryan and Peter J. White

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161126142428/https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/refutation.pdf

    Worldwide IQ estimates based on education data

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/05/worldwide-iq-estimates-based-on-education-data/ & http://archive.ph/YXjjf

    The manipulation is quite apparent, Lynn largely over-estimated China (+22), Japan (+7) to make East-Asians cluster on top, thus protecting himself from accusations of nordicism and giving support to the inter-cultural validity of the IQs that he cherry-picked. The western European and Russian data remained mostly unchanged. Vietnam (+11) and Thailand (+5) were given a bonus for their genetic proximity to North-East Asia that is supposed to make them score in the low 90s despite their lack of development. Little changes were brought to the scores of the Latin American, Middle-Eastern and Austronesian countries usually scoring in the mid-80s. Major fraud (+14 in Pakistan, +7 in Bangladesh) was done to lift up South-Asian countries out of the 70s range and excluding Sub-Saharan Africa as the only region scoring 70 or below and downgrading Nigeria (-4) and the DR. Congo (-7) in the process.

  119. Smith says:

    Is it strange how high chinks are but now utterly medium russians are?

    I cast doubt into this report.

    Education means nothing without results anyway, and I don’t see much innovation or improvement coming from chinese technology.

    • Troll: Blinky Bill
  120. FKA Max says: • Website
    @AaronB

    People don’t believe me when I tell them the US is far from finished yet, and has tremendous vitality left.

    I absolutely agree and so does Warren Buffett:

    “Warren Buffett isn’t nervous about a stock market bubble. He thinks anyone betting against America is “out of their mind.”

    Buffett: Dow will hit 1 million in 100 years

  121. Anonymous[515] • Disclaimer says:
    @GammaRay

    Most of what is said about European genocides are hilarious lies.

    Just right off the top.

    There was no genocide of:

    Australian Aborigines.
    New Zealand Maoris
    Canadian Eskimo
    Native American Indians (yeah this one surprised me, but the actually killed themselves more then the Seventh Cavalry – see Amren).
    Bantu in South Africa.
    Indians in India

    That compromises almost all the dominions and colonies of the former Anglo Empire.

    And the French didn’t genocide the Algerian.
    And the Italians didn’t genocide the Ethiopians.
    The Germans and Belgians were heavy handed in West Africa, that’s true.
    The Spanish and Portuguese and Dutch were heavy handed at various times in South America and the Dutch East Indies but we’re less heavy handed then the Bolivares and the Japanese.
    Not as heavy handed as the Barbary States and Ottomans etc on Sicily and almost all of Eastern Europe and the Balkans.
    Anglo kingdoms didn’t have jannisaries. The closest is the Gurkha who acted voluntarily.

    The truth is all whites deserve reparations for the formation of all exclusionary non white states.

    And why are you acting as if white people ever did anything wrong. They were just neo natives seeking a better lives for their families and their children. There are no native peoples. The whole world is just based on ideas. Every non white nationalist movement from Hone Heke to Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Lee Kwan Yu were just racists and xenophobes and enemies of civic Nationalism. They were no more Maori or Pakistani or Singaporean then an English publican in Bristol. Identity is just an idea, and anyone can have ideas.

    Thus you have it all in reverse.

    And yes there is a morality play, but the only people apparently in the drama are white people. Everyone else from the Egyptians who destroyed say the govt of Mohammad Ali Pasha to the Israelis and Deir Yassin to the Muslims who took the Middle East from the Byzantines and North Africa from the Roman Christians etc are just passive members of the audience.

    There is an economic play underway and it’s in the Weimar Act.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  122. Kim says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Context is probably as important as the letters; people know what ‘synecdoche‘ means without having to look it up (a lot of people can’t pronounce it, but that’s a different thing).

    Unless the context is a dictionary definition of the meaning of “synecdoche”, nobody would be able to establish its meaning by context.

    Yes. context is key. But your example is very bad.

  123. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Addendum:

    Why China’s financial markets are inefficient

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/business-spectator/news-story/why-chinas-financial-markets-are-inefficient/

    Not all markets have an optimal mix of investment strategies. China, for example, does not have a well-balanced investor base. There is almost no arbitrage trading because this requires low transaction costs, credible data, and the legal ability to short securities. None of these is easily available in China.

    There are also very few value investors in China because most of the tools they require, including good macro data, good financial statements, a clear corporate governance framework, and predictable government behaviour, are missing. As a result, the vast majority of investors in China tend to be speculators. One consequence of this is that local markets often do a poor job of rewarding companies for decisions that add economic value over the medium or long term. Another consequence is that Chinese markets are very volatile.

    • Troll: d dan
  124. Juzi says:

    Thanks for capturing the large progress China has made. I think by this time it is innate in Chinese culture that education is top priority in any household, even after they have migrated elsewhere.

    Some may say culture is stubborn but personally I find it malleable, depending on the force applied to shape it.

  125. Jimmy1969 says:

    I agree with most of this article; but: many Nations like Canada and the US and other European Nations now have growing minority populations that drag down the collective scores of the country. Canada has a lot of native Indians that have real problems…also, the private schools and the private Jewish schools are never included in academic tests and national academic surveys. Probably the same in the US.

  126. @nymom

    There are psychopaths and animal abusers in every society. I don’t think Chinese are much worse than anyone else. Here in the U.S., millions of pets are abandoned or euthanized each year. Where is the shame? I only see hypocrisy here.

    Don’t tell me you heard the organ harvest story from Falun gong.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  127. Thomasina says:
    @britishbrainsize1325ccheehee

    Initially you called me a liar, and now you just have “doubts” I am telling the truth. Thanks for the upgrade (sarc).

    Your society would have put pressure on you, your parents, your cousins, even if nothing was said. It’s a cultural thing. Your physical environment might have dictated what you did. I can’t imagine a child, given friends, a creek, some bush would prefer to stay in and study. “Look at me, I’m self-motivated!”
    No, the pressure was on you, although you might not have known it. You did what was expected of you.

  128. @Kratoklastes

    Ignorance is bliss. This article was not written for arguement, rather for discussion and enlightenment.

  129. Biff says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Europeans created the modern world and made it much safer.

    When the barbarians start tossing nuclear weapons at each other, you’ll be eating those words.

  130. Thomasina says:
    @GammaRay

    “Without things like the internet and airplanes then mass-immigration/multi-culturalism would be happening at a snails pace if it were even happening at all.”

    It has very little to do with the Internet or airplanes. It is being “allowed”, even encouraged by our politicians and the elite who own the politicians. None of this would be happening if it wasn’t making a lot of people rich. As well, multiculturalism serves to divide and conquer a population, making the citizens weaker. All by design. Oh, the politicians pretend they don’t like it if you complain, but they do nothing to stop it, which they could easily do. Immigration levels are increased (for our own good, we’re told), borders are unprotected. All on purpose.

    Was China’s rise an accident? No, it was manufactured and engineered. Given the history of these white elites (which ordinary whites have no control over), do you think there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell that China would have been allowed to build up the way they have if the western elites weren’t making a fortune off of them? Not a chance. The Chinese elite and the western elite have colluded together to make this happen.

    Asia cheers on globalization (look at us, we’re getting richer), but they don’t realize they’re about to be “owned”.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  131. @Blinky Bill

    If you compare certain practices among populations, also look at the scale of their occurrences.

    For the so-called “urban legend” that Chinese eat human embryos, there is an article in the Seoul Times that confirms it. Google : “Chinese Eat Baby Soup for Sex – The Seoul Times”. Warning : article contains very disturbing images.

    • Troll: d dan
  132. EldnahYm says:
    @Anonymous

    The majority of Asians and overwhelming majority of Africans would not exist today if not for whites. Modern medicine and the green revolution is responsible for population growth in those areas. Guess who invented these things.

    Also, if White people didn’t exist, Arabs would continue ruthlessly exploiting Africans.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @Biff
  133. @GammaRay

    “…Europeans depopulated and displaced people around the entire world for over five centuries…”

    If you mean European settlement in North America and Australia, there was only mass immigration without genocide of the native populations. There are now more Aborigines and American Natives than before European colonization.

    BTW, China is now colonizing Tibet and Xingjiang, deliberately making the native populations minorities in their own homelands.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  134. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    What happened to Japan? It’s taken quite a tumble. Taiwan too. OTOH, the US is doing great for a country its size. All the countries above us have much smaller populations. We are doing amazing for a country of 330 million, esp. considering 40% are pretty low performing blacks and browns.

    Chinese education is suffering from too much grind. Chinese students go to school not to acquire knowledge but to pass tests, get good grades, get into a good college so they can get a good job. They don’t learn for the sake of learning. Just because you are good at solving math problems on paper doesn’t mean you are no longer rote learning. Rote learning means learning without asking questions, like why something happens, why didn’t it happen this way or that way, what would happen if…? Asian kids lack that curiosity. Even in the US, Asian kids have that same problem — they are not curious; they thirst for good grades, not knowledge, that’s why they don’t innovate.

    Perhaps that is the downside of being practical minded. But then Germans are practical minded too, and they are the most innovative country in Europe.

  135. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomasina

    I think perhaps the Chinese have a romanticized view of US education. Our high school students work even harder than kids in Asia thanks to holistic admissions. Kids in Asia just have to do well academically. Our kids have to take 12-15 AP classes, ace them all, ace the SAT, 2 subject tests, get 4.0 GPA, be a nationally ranked athlete or musician, volunteer at the soup kitchen, run for class/club president, run fundraisers to raise money for hurricane victims, build mud huts for African orphans in the summer, and write an app that cures cancer in their free time. Except for the dumbos who have no hope of college, 3-4 hours a night of sleep is common for most high school kids.

    As for studying very hard in college, that only applies to STEM majors. Most libart majors don’t have to work all that hard to get a degree, esp. those who major in grievance studies.

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Thomasina
  136. TRM says:
    @Svevlad

    By “academic bloat” do you mean instructor to admin ratio?

    It varies a lot but the bureaucracy numbers in North America hover around 50/50 in a lot of places. That is very top heavy in the non-instructional administration of the institutes IMHO.

    I’d be interested in what percentage of salary goes to instructors vs admin in China (or elsewhere) if anyone has some numbers.

    Thanks

  137. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @nymom

    This is just pure neocon talking points.

    It’s like you drank a mug full of American Exceptionalism Jism.

  138. @Anon

    “…Rote learning means learning without asking questions, like why something happens, why didn’t it happen this way or that way, what would happen if…? Asian kids lack that curiosity…”

    Typical example of the homo roboticus sinicus, a threat to homo sapiens europeus.

  139. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    You have nothing to be ashamed of…
    Because you are SHAMELESS
    You are shameless, because you are double standard, hypocrite, brainwashing, media hijacking, weapon relying barbaric pirate culture, arrogant ignorance SOB.
    Stay being shameless, as long as you can.
    Happen once, shame on you. Happen twice, shame on me. You won’t have another chance to rob the new world and burn the old world.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  140. @nymom

    ‘this forced organ donation business’ is the ravings of USG-supported Falun Gong crazies, nothing more. On its face, live organ harvesting is a ridiculous idea. Why would anyone do it? Why would a skilled surgeon do it when she could have a normal, repected, professional life? What is to be gained? The techniques of organ transplants from deceased donors are well advanced and practiced everywhere. It’s just propaganda for dummies.

    The stories of Falung Gong forced organ harvesting is a rehash of the allegation promoted and paid for by US government thru Congressman Tom Lantos; a major source of funding was a quasi-NGO, Friends of Flaun Gong, registered under Mrs. Annette Lantos, NED veteran Ambassador Mark Palmer. Freedom House is a quasi-intelligence front created by the CIA-connected Open Society Institute of elite George Soros. In addition to Palmer, Freedom House has counted among its top management the former CIA Director James Woolsey, neocons Bernie Aronson and Diana Negroponte, super elite Zbigniew Brzezinski, former Clinton National Security Advisor Anthony Lake, Clinton Commerce Secretary Stuart Eizenstat, and the late Congressman Tom Lantos and his wife. Freedom House is backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which former CIA agent Philip Agee, and many others have amply documented, is a US intelligence apparatus that has been a driving force behind opposition forces (“democracy revolutions”) in many countries.

    Read these articles: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org&#8230;

    http://falungongpolitics. blogspot.com/2008/03/money-trail-between-us-government-and.html?m=1

    http://falungongpolitics.blogspo&#8230;

    US embassy investigated Falun Gong‘s Auschwitz style vivisection allegation and found it unreliable:
    https://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_China_and_Falun_Gong,_August_11,_2006.

    “In the rush to harvest body parts, death investigations have been upended” Los Angeles Times. The original headline was better: “Body Parts Harvesting Hinders Coronor Autopsies.”

  141. d dan says:
    @Anon

    “Our high school students work even harder than kids in Asia … 3-4 hours a night of sleep is common for most high school kids.”

    Yes, mostly for kids of Asian names, especially if they want a chance to go to top colleges. Less so for white kids (who may still count on some legacy admission to help), and even less so for Hispanics and black kids.

    See comment 116 above that links to Reed’s post on how US Asian kids actually beat most Asian countries. Those US Asian kids are being discriminated in their own country (US) in admission, so they have to work extra hard to survive.

  142. Thomasina says:
    @Anon

    That was a funny post. I remember helping with studying for a few AP finals (OMG!), and I remember the seemingly endless homework assignments. I wonder what would have happened to Mozart or Beethoven had they been saddled with such weight. Probably wouldn’t have been any music. Creativity takes time and imagination, something our school system rolls over and flattens.

    Thanks for your response.

  143. Biff says:
    @EldnahYm

    Modern medicine and the green revolution is responsible for population growth in those areas. Guess who invented these things.

    Eskimos?

  144. @Thomasina

    An organ of the Japanese Govt commissioned a study into innovation (40/50 years ago?) – It became known as the MITI study not because MITI carried it out but because they concurred with its conclusions.
    They identified a couple of thousand key inventions that were the core of the modern world and tracked down the origins. Overwhelmingly Western – 90+%. Stunningly British 50ish% and the rest primarily sons of Albion from the colonies- US 20 some % etc. They reckon Japan chipped in about 5% which seemed a bit of a reach to me,

    Back in the olden golden days of the inter-tubes 20 years ago it was available online, now even references to it are rare. I’m sure sanitized more politically correct clones are in the works somewhere.

  145. Svevlad says:
    @Gorgeous George

    1. Miracle? No. If you ask me, it was inevitable – with an intelligent manpower pool that high, and a territory so big, developing many times faster than anyone else even from poverty is basically mandatory. All it takes is one just slightly smarter guy to get the train running.

    2. As for the poverty, I have no idea. I saw data that says that it did, but again that depends on what poverty is, and how literally you want to look at it. But it does seem that even the poor in China nowadays don’t have it very rough. I saw some TV show about some people in Shanghai who move ridiculous amounts of stuff on their own (one of them was some sort of carpenter I think, sold chairs and stuff), they didn’t complain that their conditions are unlivable, so I guess that poverty is eliminated? At least in the “core” areas, the sparsely populated western or southern territories might still have some work to do.

    The education system seems good, but I don’t know much about it. I think it’s more of a people thing. Why stress child out, is college really worth it? I don’t think they learn so much there for the costs involved. After all, in my eyes, you can be as educated as much as you want, if your personality didn’t develop optimally, and you’re a stressed out bookworm, you deserve to be on the bottom, if not worse.

    I’m waiting for the moment where direct knowledge injections become possible. Study time reduced to zero, allowing for truly optimal physical, mental, spiritual and social development, allowing for true excellence to be revealed in everyone.

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
  146. Jackjack says:
    @FKA Max

    US whites have very good scores on science and reading, but when you look at the most g-loaded PISA test, math, they are nothing exceptional. They are outscored significantly by most Western Europeans.

    One can say that America has a very good education system that might account for US students excellent scores on reading and science literacy.

  147. @Svevlad

    “Getting the train running” is a colossal understatement if I ever saw one. The US with the head start and dominating position that it enjoyed didn’t come close poverty wise.

    “Waiting for direct knowledge injections” is a topic well covered by Isaac Asimov in one of his short stories.
    Him being the grandaddy of Sci fi novels and a great visionary should cause rightful caution on the matter.
    I cannot remember the title of the short story for the life of me, but I do have that book in hard copy at home, which I would gladly borrow to you if you’re interested, and of course if you happen to live in Belgrade like I do.

    • Replies: @Gorgeous George
    , @Svevlad
  148. @Gorgeous George

    I found it, the short story is called “Profession”.
    The book offer still stands.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  149. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    That’s mostly because U.S. whites scored well on reading, which is likely the easiest out of all the tests since everyone has to use their reading skills (thus reinforcing and honing them) daily on a consistent basis — that’s just a fact of life if you need to navigate in the modern world.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    Compared to Japan, the U.S. did the same on Science but got trounced in Math. Almost the same compared to South Korea (the U.S. did slightly better in Science, but also got trounced in Math).

    Sailer is a retard.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  150. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    Also, adding to my previous comment:

    U.S. Asians trounced U.S. whites (and whites in general) in every category, and is consistent with the Chinese levels in the Sinosphere.

    But I would agree, the U.S. education system does seem to be good enough / pretty good. Otherwise, how did the U.S. Asians do so well, even compared to their ethnic brethren in their mother countries?

    So maybe, education methods in some Asian countries may need improvement in some areas because not sure why they don’t do better in reading.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Anon
  151. d dan says:
    @Anon

    “Otherwise, how did the U.S. Asians do so well”

    Because US Asians is the most discriminated group, so they have to work extra-hard to be considered for a decent college, or even just to survive. Asians in Asia are at least not being discriminated.

    • Troll: lavoisier
  152. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anon

    Sailer is a retard.

    He is actually a real, bona fide genius.

    [MORE]

    In my opinion and according to my observations and knowledge Mr. Sailer is what I would classify as a “real genius”; he has/fulfills all the (physical) characteristics that I am looking for — in my (simple) system/model that I have developed — to identify authentic geniuses; and I think he is genuinely passionate about blogging and “noticing”/truth seeking, etc. This perfect combination of traits and talents, in my opinion, explains his awesome, breathtaking, and cutting-edge intellectual output.

    These are the characteristics I am looking for: height and low testosterone as indicators/proxies for intelligence; “Nordic” phenotype (light eye pigmentation) as an indicator/proxy for creativity and curiosity.

    He is tall, I believe he is around 6 feet and 4 inches tall, and likely with progressing age has lower testosterone levels than in his youth. He also has light eye pigmentation, dark blue/gray eyes, if I am not mistaken

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/isteve-metrics/#comment-1823832

    That doesn’t mean geniuses (Northwestern Europeans) don’t have short-comings or blind spots, etc. or that non-geniuses (North-East Asians) can’t be brilliant in their field of expertise or passion (e.g. math, etc.).

    A genius to me is a polymath.

    A brilliant non-genius to me is a specialist.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  153. lavoisier says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    Good one Dan!

    A troll is someone concerned about animal cruelty!

    Any more wisdom from you?

    • Troll: d dan
  154. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    Final addendum:

    In comparing the U.S. to South Korea — SK actually did pretty well in reading as well, at 514, versus the 531 of U.S. whites. This just further adds to my argument that basically U.S. whites score high because of the reading component of the PISA, which is the easiest out of all the components.

    In conclusion,

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    WHITE COPE is a helluva drug.

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  155. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    To @d dan: (posting it here instead of replying to @d dan, so that people don’t have to go to his specific comment to read my reply)

    That Asians have to work harder because they’re the most discriminated isn’t the crux of it.

    It’s clearly a biological factor/advantage of East Asians; plus there is still something left wanting in the reading & writing department in the education / social environment of some Asian countries. The U.S. unequivocally does well in this area, so the Asians in the U.S. align with the achievements of the ethnically Chinese (China, Singapore, Macau, HK) on the PISA.

    You see they’re full potential when they’re living in the social environments of China/Singapore/etc. and the US. Maybe it has to do with the frenetic pacing of life in these environments.

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  156. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    The white people who are excelling and beating East Asians are Jews. That’s also why US whites do better than Asians in reading, because this is a Jewish strength.

    If you take out Jews from the regular whites, their scores are not nearly as good.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  157. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The US does well in this score because of the Jewish component of the white population.

    Reading and verbal skills in general are a known Jewish strength, and Ashkanazi Jews have the highest IQ anyways.

    So it makes sense that white people over performed in reading because they have Jews helping to boost their score.

    If you take Jews out of the general white population, you will see them regress a lot.

  158. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If you take out Jews from the regular whites, their scores are not nearly as good.

    There are way more non-Northwestern European “Whites” in the United States than there are Jewish American “Whites”.

    Will 2020 Census miss reality of Latino numbers, identity?

    “A sizable and growing number of young people come from families with one white and one minority parent, as more adults form families across racial and ethnic lines. By far the largest group among them have Hispanic and white European ancestry
    […]
    In 2015, Vargas studied Latinos who identified as white. Interestingly, while 42 percent of Hispanic participants identified as white, only 6 percent reported being perceived as white by other Americans.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/will-2020-census-miss-reality-latino-numbers-identity-n897976

    Northwestern-European-Protestant Americans (WASPs), historically, have outperformed Jewish Americans:

    Audrey Shuey [16] administered the American Council Psychological Examination to freshman students entering Washington Square College, New York in 1935-37 to 2,985 students as follows:2,250 as Jewish, 399 as Catholics, 336 as Protestants were positively identified.Overall the groups ranked in order: Protestant, Jewish and Catholic with the Protestant average superior to the Jewish on all tests except one and the Jewish average superior to the Catholic on all tests. When foreign-born students and students of foreign-born parents were eliminated from the tests, the results were substantially the same. White Protestants were generally of Northern European extraction, while Catholics of Southern European, Central European or Irish extraction and Jews of Eastern European extraction.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161126142428/https://thechosenites.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/refutation.pdf

  159. Ber says:
    @nymom

    One should read up on Joseph Needham. He had documented great many inventions from China.

    Indeed modern civilization is where it is today because of the past gifts from China, and one should be so gracious to acknowledge it, just as Needham had actually said something to this effect like the Chinese inventions are the base, for without it there would be no modern civilization.

    No one or group can claim to have a monopoly on contributing to science. There is no need to “throw” shame around at everyone else as if one needed to keep inflating one’s ego.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  160. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anon

    I don’t know if my “unpopular” opinions are getting censored by Unz Review moderators again (which would be concerning) or if there is a bug in the system, but I replied to you with a legitimate, on-topic comment pointing out that:

    6.7%, in 2013, of household spending in South Korea went towards education

    https://www.unz.com/article/dysgenics-and-low-creativity-why-china-cant-save-civilization/?showcomments#comment-2487873

    that, strangely enough, disappeared.

    Here another try.

    Spending that much on education is the real cope to me.

    American households spend a fraction of that, see comparison chart here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-flynn-effect-in-china/#comment-2478207 Australian households spend a lot as well, but that might be mostly Asian Australians’ high education spending pushing up the average.

    “Up to 16.3% of Australia’s population” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Australians

    Chinese and Koreans make up about 50% of Australia’s Asian population.

    Imagine U.S. households would spend 6%-7% on education, instead of maybe 2%.

    Do you think that would raise their test scores or not?

    In education-crazy South Korea, top teachers become multimillionaires
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-education-crazy-south-korea-top-teachers-become-multimillionaires/2014/12/29/1bf7e7ae-849b-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html

    English teacher who earns $500k – BBC News

  161. @Godfree Roberts

    Gaokao is different depending on the major one applies for. So this is not a question for all students alike. But people who want to study maths should know about this before applying for university, same as in the West.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  162. Trump is a virulent misogynist–he must be stopped,or women will die!

  163. @Ber

    Then you will have to ask yourself, why it was not the Chinese who created the modern world but the Europeans.

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    , @Ber
  164. @Teacher in Ch

    Thank you for pointing that out. Though it is a national examination, the contents of the test vary by region.

  165. GammaRay says:
    @nymom

    Im assuming youre responding to my comment at #111, humorously enough you seemed to have completely ignored my response to you at #109. I wonder why that is?

    In any case your response misses the mark. Here is what I wrote in my previous comment:

    You overstate your case. The west has done many great things and many awful things. I have no problem admitting that; do you? Also…without europeans the entire american landmass would still be populated by its native inhabitants, im sure the displaced and genocided indigenous people around the world would agree that europeans “made life better for them”

    The west has done many great things and many awful things. I have no problem acknowledging that, the west has brought many good things to the world but also many bad things as well. My point of contention with people like yourself is that you like to act like the west’s shit don’t stink, you guys are a mirror image of deranged leftists who act like western civilization/white people are completely and utterly evil, except you guys like to pretend that whites are perfect angels who have never done anything wrong. Its basically the alt-right version of the dindu nuffin meme.

    • Agree: AaronB
  166. GammaRay says:
    @Anonymous

    except this is what I wrote:

    You overstate your case. The west has done many great things and many awful things. I have no problem admitting that; do you? Also…without europeans the entire american landmass would still be populated by its native inhabitants, im sure the displaced and genocided indigenous people around the world would agree that europeans “made life better for them”

    notice how I said displaced and genocided? not just genocided. Never did I claim that the west genocided every indigenous people, in many cases they just severely displaced them and disrupted their traditional ways of life. Similar to what is happening now in the west by non-white immigration lol. You defend it when europeans displace and bully indigenous people yet shriek when the same thing happens to white people. To paraphrase an old proverb: “the alt-righter cries out in pain as he strikes you”

    Native American Indians (yeah this one surprised me, but the actually killed themselves more then the Seventh Cavalry – see Amren).

    whites killed more of each other during the first and second world wars compared to all the whites killed by immigrants. I guess this means that mass immigration and displacement of whites is ok according to your own logic with regards to the native americans.

  167. GammaRay says:
    @Thomasina

    It has very little to do with the Internet or airplanes. It is being “allowed”, even encouraged by our politicians and the elite who own the politicians. None of this would be happening if it wasn’t making a lot of people rich. As well, multiculturalism serves to divide and conquer a population, making the citizens weaker. All by design. Oh, the politicians pretend they don’t like it if you complain, but they do nothing to stop it, which they could easily do. Immigration levels are increased (for our own good, we’re told), borders are unprotected. All on purpose.

    you lose all credibility with the bolded statement. The current state of technology vastly facilitates mass-immigration and multiculturalism. Just because you say it doesnt matter doesnt mean that it is so. If the requisite technology didnt exist then multiculturalism and mass-immigration would be nearly impossible. You just don’t want to admit that the west plays the biggest role in creating the conditions for its own demise, both directly and indirectly.

    Was China’s rise an accident? No, it was manufactured and engineered. Given the history of these white elites (which ordinary whites have no control over), do you think there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell that China would have been allowed to build up the way they have if the western elites weren’t making a fortune off of them? Not a chance. The Chinese elite and the western elite have colluded together to make this happen.

    what does this have to do with anything? I dont get how this is relevant to what was being discussed.

    Asia cheers on globalization (look at us, we’re getting richer), but they don’t realize they’re about to be “owned”.

    being butthurt at china isnt going to bring the west back again. The fact that you feel so emotional about this betrays your own internal feelings of impotence regarding the direction of the west.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  168. It’s said an American ‘A-‘ is a Chinese ‘F.’

    Knowledge is moving forward.

    Cartra$$hians…, well…, look around you.

  169. GammaRay says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    except this is what I wrote:

    europeans depopulated and displaced people around the entire world for over five centuries; compared to how europeans have acted the chinese are saints. Not only that, but people just like yourself still make excuses and rationalizations for the exploitative and psychopathic behavior of european colonists in the past, surely the fact that you and many others like you tend to engage in this sort of behavior must imply a basic flaw in your all’s character as well?

    whats with you guys and reading comprehension? sheesh. Indigenous people around the world were either displaced, maltreated, exploited, genocided and oftentimes some combination of all these by the european colonizers. I dont understand why alt-righters such as yourself continue to claim otherwise. How delusional are you guys?

    There are now more Aborigines and American Natives than before European colonization.

    On that tangent, there are more white people alive in the US in 2019 (approx 198 million out of 329 million) than there ever has been historically. The only thing that’s changed has been the percentage of the population that they constitute. Yet for some reason the alt-right continue to kvetch about “white genocide” (LOL). Do you understand how your logic regarding indigenous people is faulty now? Even assuming that indigenous people might be more numerous now in absolute terms (I dont know the real answer to this and dont feel like trying to find the answer right now), this doesnt change the fact that they are a broken people with a dying culture who constitute only a small proportion of the population that they used to. If you are unable to understand why this is a negative thing for the native americans then why is it that people like yourself complain about white displacement and immigration?

    BTW, China is now colonizing Tibet and Xingjiang, deliberately making the native populations minorities in their own homelands.

    Not really sure how much of this is true and how much of it is CIA disinformation. I know for sure that china is forced to stabilize regions like tibet and xinjiang in order to counter US attempts to foment unrest there. If the US were not constantly trying to destabilize these regions then im pretty sure that china would have a much more hands off approach to the area. Secondly and more importantly, china is acting in a limited capacity its own backyard, the west on the other hand crossed literal oceans to subjugate the entire world. You can’t really compare the two.

    If china was really as imperialistic and colony hungry as the west then distinct ethnicities and countries like the japanese, koreans, vietnamese etc would have long ago ceased to exist. The fact that they are still around in spite of being china’s neighbors for thousands of years speaks volumes about the true character of chinese civilization.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @loren
  170. Uku says:

    Tibet is being colonized by China.
    And I say that as an Estonian, with experience from the receiving side.

    > “The fact that they are still around in spite of being china’s neighbors for thousands of years speaks volumes about the true character of chinese civilization.”

    Not really. The fact is that China has so far had had to take time to assimilate all the multitudes of natives within “China proper”. Chinese Empires in all its different forms have carried out plenty of military aggressions against its neighbours.

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    , @GammaRay
  171. @Thulean Friend

    Let me explain this further. This is from 2015 which shows that Massachusetts did NOT outperform the Chinese areas.

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/pisa2015highlights_7.asp

    Here is the thing. This is an OECD report. China is not developed enough to be in the OECD yet. So common sense is that since this is a comparison of education systems in advanced countries. The most common sense thing to do is the use the most advanced regions of a non advanced country. Also of note is that they also outperformed Hong Kong – which Anglos love to claim is still superior. Same race and ethnicity. People use nominal GDP. Well those Chinese regions still are far below the US in nominal GDP. They are still below Hong Kong as well. Even if you use PPP – by which China would have the largest economy – they still are below the US and Hong Kong. So you can’t have it both ways.
    And saying it is an exclusive region of China makes it sound like it is Monaco. You will still find tens of millions of “poor” people by OECD standards in that catchment area of 180 million in those Chinese regions. Which again the PISA report noted that they still performed above the average of OECD nations. You can try to spin any way you want. The western regions of China are now growing faster. So what happens when they export the education and resources to those regions? You feel they will underperform?

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  172. @FvS

    LOL. Pretty good. Looks like a school art project you had ready made. But as with all things “consider the source”. Look at the media you reference. I’m talking first hand knowledge of what I experienced. Who was checking all the American students I saw cheat. I even had to report it to a professor that they needed to be more diligent. I studied hard and people were cheating rampantly in her class. She kind of brushed it off. She wasn’t protecting Chinese students. As I learned from other professors – she was protecting her own career. Saw it plenty going through school but I understood it then. It is beneficial to professors to not have failures in their classes. But yeah sure point fingers at Chinese and then wonder why Huawei is ahead of US and Euro companies. Sad.

    • Agree: d dan
  173. @GammaRay

    “…Indigenous people around the world were either displaced, maltreated, exploited, genocided and oftentimes some combination of all these by the european colonizers…”

    That happened only in areas that were sparsely populated by primitive stone age peoples, still in the hunter-gatherer stage of development, to wit : in North America, north of the Rio Grande (about 2 m people), in South America, east of the Andes (about 1 m people), in Australia (about 250,000 people) and in Siberia (again about 250,000 people). In the rest of the world “colonization” meant temporary rule without mass European immigration, as in Asia and Africa, or limited immigration with the formation of a mixed-race population as in Latin America. Genocide happened nowhere. Indigenous peoples were sometimes treated badly, yes, but no worse than the Hindus of India were treated by the invading Muslims. If Third World peoples are so much outraged by the history of European settler colonialism, then they should refrain from trying to immigrate into such countries. Instead, they come in droves, hypocritically trying to profit from the stability and wealth of such countries while at the same time condemning their creation.

    “…this doesn’t change the fact that they are a broken people with a dying culture who constitute only a small proportion of the population that they used to…”

    The fact that they are a “broken people with a dying culture” is not the fault of Whites, it is their own fault. They vegetate on their reservations, living on welfare and addicted to alcohol and drugs. Nobody forces them to do so. As for them constituting only a small proportion of the population, the Indians of the US, who are now with 4 million (two times as many as they were before the arrival of Whites) have their own reservations with a combined surface as big as that of the UK, which has a population of 60 million. Not exactly a reason to become “demoralized” by territorial claustrophobia!

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  174. @nymom

    What is the difference between eating a dog and a pig? Or eating a horse and a cow? I dont eat any of the 4 (though i do eat parts of the cow on occasion). I have been around all 4 and can tsll you they all are smart and can form relationships with humans. Cows and pigs are very popular to eat in western culture. Explain…

    • Replies: @Lin
  175. @Blinky Bill

    Yup and… In rural parts of the US people in armadillo – squirrel – raccoon – cute little bunny rabbits – bears – cougars etc etc. But i guess some people dont know. Yet in their sophistcated cities people in squid – octupus – clams and mussels (which are basically garbage filters in the water). But you know prejudice holds no bounds.

  176. @nymom

    The west would not got gotten to modernize the world if not for Asian innovation centuries before. Even the Scientific Method was developed in the “Middle East”. Such hubris does not serve you well.

  177. Svevlad says:
    @Gorgeous George

    Well, the difference is that the US never really tried to eliminate poverty in earnest. I’m sure that it’s own government has been hostile to the populace secretly for quite some time, perhaps since WW1

    Oh and yes, I do live in Belgrade.

  178. Svevlad says:
    @Gorgeous George

    Found it. Don’t think society will work like that, and even though “taping” is similar to what I have in mind, I don’t think it will be that “limited”. In the story it only works on literal NPCs, not realistic.

  179. @Anon

    You seem to miss the part where it said part of PISA tests was the ability to discern fake news – which the Chinese students excelled at… That refutes your statement.

  180. @GammaRay

    Is Japan under attack by massive replacement lvl migrants? It is under the same condition as western countries with mass communication and transit.

    Your comments are extremely flawed in this regard.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  181. @Franklin Ryckaert

    It has been touched on many times. The scientific method comes from the middle east as well as algebra. The binary code which allowed for computers to evntually hapoen was formed by a Jesuit interpreting ancient Chinese writings about numbers. The histories are readily available. Europeans were great at adapting.
    As to your specific question about China…. Again it has been touched on many times. A civilization as old as China rizes and falls many times. Call it God’s equity plan. It is well known that under Zheng He – the Chinesd ship and navigation skills were almost a century ahead. Cristofo Colombo’s fleet was much less advanced even though it sailed later. But China chose to trade rather than invade. Hence in East Africa and the Arabian Peninsula you have Chinese artifacts from that period rather than records of Chineze engaging in African slave trade. It is true that some Asian kingdoms were expected to pay a tribute – but it was more akin to King Solomon receiving gifts as others came to hear of his wisdom in Jerusalem – rather than simple domination.
    In any event The Ming emperor foolishly decided to end naval expeditions. Then ended exchanges. That caused China to miss things such as the Industrial Revolution.

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Commentator Mike
  182. Lin says:
    @Showmethereal

    Look at this Taoist symbol: Anyone with some elementary math background would tell right away it has to do with the binary number system(The S Korean national flag is a copy of it):
    http://www.bestchinanews.com/1ydzximg/0Gf1vQKC3z
    ………
    I’ve even come across math papers(written by non-Chinese)on the algebraic structure of I Ching

  183. @Uku

    In 1839, the British army arrived in Tibet and Arthur Hadow[1], commander of a machine-gun detachment wrote, “The machine gunners slaughtered the Tibetan soldiers; thirteen hundred died in the massacre. I got so sick of the slaughter that I ceased fire, though the general’s order was to make as big a bag as possible. I hope I shall never again have to shoot down men walking away. Among the Tibetans we killed were the Lhasa General, the military commandant of Phari and Lata and the representative of the Golden Monastery to whose influence and violent hostility the existing difficulties are largely due.” Visiting in 1904, Perceval Landon described the Thirteenth Dalai Lama’s rule as ‘an engine of oppression’ and Captain W.F.T. O’Connor observed, “The great landowners and the priests..exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal while the people are oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.”

    No major state ever recognized independent Tibet and, as a US State Department spokesman noted in 1999, the United States has regarded Tibet as part of China since 1942 and US actions repeatedly affirmed[1] that view. US Ambassador Chas W. Freeman[2] commented, “I don’t see any reason why Tibet being part of China should be any more controversial than Wales being part of the United Kingdom. The periods when they were put into that position were about the same..I recall, as probably most people don’t, that the Central Intelligence Agency, with assistance from some of China’s neighbors, put $30 million into the destabilization of Tibet and basically financed and trained the participants in the Khampa rebellion and ultimately sought to remove the Dalai Lama from Tibet–which they did. They escorted him out of Tibet to Dharamsala. The CIA programs in Tibet, which were very effective in destabilizing it, did not succeed in Xinjiang.”

    The US began training rebels in the Colorado Rockies and parachuting them into Tibet and, after the CIA’s operations officer, Bruce Walker reported[1], “The radio teams experienced major resistance from the population inside Tibet,” the Agency prepared a riot campaign[2] that killed eighty-thousand people in 1959. It took the PLA 20 hours or so to prevail but by then the Dalai Lama had fled into exile with the country’s gold reserves. Mao commented, “If he is willing to return home and is able to get rid of the reactionaries, then we hope he will. But is it possible for him to change his own world outlook? If he wants to return, he can do so tomorrow..Indian newspaper stories say he plans to return but the two statements he made thoroughly oppose the Central Government and the big family of the motherland and advocate Tibet independence. As a result, he has blocked his own way back home. Even so, we must leave leeway for him by electing him vice-chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress and chairman of the Preparatory Committee of the Founding of the Tibet Autonomous Region.”

    Emancipation brought no respite from terrorism, however. The US budgeted $1.7 billion annually to support the Dalai Lama and his guerrillas who, trained in Colorado, guided by Indian intelligence services and transported in CIA aircraft, raided Tibet regularly. The Agency even built a nuclear-powered monitoring station which, with the help of local Sherpas, they placed in the Himalayas to spy on a Chinese missile tests. After it failed twice they developed a nuclear-powered spy drone to overfly China reasoning that, if the drone was shot down, there would be no pilot to confess. John Kenneth Knaus[1], the CIA’s Tibet Task Force Commander recalled, “This was not some CIA black-bag operation. The initiative came from..the entire US government.”

    After another failed revolt in 1987 the CIA transferred responsibility for Tibetan programs to its civilian arm, the National Endowment for Democracy, NED, though the Agency returned a decade later to orchestrate a massacre during the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Afterwards, the Tibetan Government In Exile, TGIE, secretly surveyed seventeen thousand Tibetans, asking if they wished Tibet to become fully independent. Four thousand chose the status quo or had no opinion, five thousand answered ‘Yes’ and eight thousand selected limited real autonomy, the option the nobles had rejected in 1951.

    Today, as with all ethnic minorities in China, Tibetan educators focus on recruiting minority teachers and funding ethnic institutes. Tibetan children begin primary instruction in their own language (which they see it on China’s banknotes) in a school administered by their own people. Because the Tibetan language lacks a scientific vocabulary, secondary schools use Mandarin to give children access to opportunities. Schools are free, rural children receive full scholarships at boarding schools, attendance is ninety-eight percent and illiteracy in people under fifty has fallen from ninety percent to four percent. There are more Tibetans literate in their own language now than all Tibetans who have ever lived and, thanks to China’s positive discrimination laws, their opportunities for advanced education are better than Han students.’ China’s minorities share twenty ethnic universities (three in Tibet proper) and institutes, sixty ethnic teachers’ training schools, two hundred ethnic secondary vocational schools, four thousand ethnic middle schools and thirty-thousand ethnic primary schools. Since its 1985 founding Tibet University has produced 10,000 graduates and today enrolls 30,000 students on full scholarships.

    Tibetans, a quarter of whom are women, make up half the local Party leadership and they’ve enacted regulations covering political power, economic development, culture, education, spoken and written languages, justice, protection of relics, animals, plants and natural resources. They turned a third of the province’s land into nature reserves and one-eighth to forest and now wildlife, like the once-threatened Tibetan Antelope, are a common sight.

    Most Tibetans live in rural areas and few speak Chinese but there is a substantial urban middle class in government, tourism, commerce, light manufacturing and transportation. As thousands of Internet-savvy youngsters graduate, they fill existing niches and create new ones. The fear of ‘invasion’ by millions of ethnic Han has receded after locals saw that most Han immigrants are poor and, being ineligible for state subsidies, most find it difficult to compete with locals and fail within three years. Survivors must contend with Tibetan entrepreneurs who, thanks to massive subsidies, are prospering: three million Tibetans share a state budget bigger than the Oregon State’s. GDP, growing thirteen percent annually, reached $110 billion in 2019 while annual urban incomes rose from $200 to $4,500. Fourteen thousand miles of new highways, three new airports and the world’s highest railway, connecting Tibetans to the outside world, lifted per capita urban income from $200 in 1978 to $14,000 in 2019–an annual compounded growth rate of twelve percent. Optical cables have reached every county, everyone has a cell phone and a motor cycle (to which Tibetans are addicted) and, thanks to hydropower, geothermal, wind and solar energy, electricity production has risen seventeen percent annually and brought power to three quarters of the population.

    The population, barely one million in 1952, reached three million in 2019 (ninety-five percent Tibetan and ethnic minorities). Grain output rose from one-hundred eighty-three thousand tonnes to a million and hoop houses now provide fruit and vegetables, a previously undreamed of luxury year round. Poverty, twenty-eight percent in 2015, fell to eight percent in 2018, with the remnants scheduled to be freed from poverty in 2019.

    ___________________________________________________
    [1] China Station: The British Military in the Middle Kingdom 1839-1997. By Mark Felton

    [1] Orphans Of The Cold War America And The Tibetan Struggle For Survival April 25, 2000
    by John Kenneth Knaus

    [1] Conboy, Kenneth; Morrison, James (2002). ”The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet.” University Press of Kansas. ISBN 978-0-7006-1159-1
    [2] US Ambassador Chas. H. Freeman, Director for Chinese Affairs at the U.S. Department of State from 1979-1981.

    [1] Barry Sautman, “Tibet: myths and Realities.” Current History, Vol 100, No.647, pp.278-84
    [2] US Ambassador Chas. H. Freeman, Director for Chinese Affairs at the U.S. Department of State from 1979-1981.

    • Replies: @Uku
    , @Showmethereal
  184. Lin says:
    @Showmethereal

    The difference lies with economics(BTW, pigs are smart and pass the ‘mirror test’):
    Dogs and cats aren’t meaty animals and their meat usually are more expensive. Amount of dogs and cats eaten by Chinese actually is quite small; the evidence is there’s no industrial meat dogs/cats farming in china or anywhere in the world.
    The fodder(accumulated) to animal weight ratios:
    cattle: 5 to 10 : 1
    Pig: 3 to 3.5 : 1
    Chicken: 2 to 2.5 : 1
    …..
    Herbivores I read usually are more meaty.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  185. Uku says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Estonians helped to create the [UNPO – Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrepresented_Nations_and_Peoples_Organization). One could have made up similarly spectacular statistics on the Estonian SSR. You are not fooling me.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  186. GammaRay says:
    @Uku

    Tibet is being colonized by China.
    And I say that as an Estonian, with experience from the receiving side.

    Just because you may be an estonian doesn’t give you special expertise on this. Nothing you said degrades the logic of what I originally posted.

    Secondly and more importantly, china is acting in a limited capacity its own backyard, the west on the other hand crossed literal oceans to subjugate the entire world. You can’t really compare the two.

    Lots of what we hear regarding tibet is CIA disinformation, and even if we assume that what we hear regarding tibet being colonized by china is true then its because china is being forced to colonize and stabilize the region due to the ever present threat of the CIA trying to destabilize the region. If the US were to fuck off and stop trying to destabilize china then china probably wouldnt have to resort to coercive measures to stabilize tibet. Anyways, I suggest you do some reading on the history between china and tibet; its really really long and really really complicated. Non-informed people like yourself like to act like china just one day decided to colonize tibet for no reason (like how europeans randomly decided to colonize and exploit indigenous people around the world), but the truth is much more complicated than that. If china was such a bloodthirsty colonizer then modern day tibetans wouldnt exist at all, the chinese would have wiped them out long ago.

    Not really. The fact is that China has so far had had to take time to assimilate all the multitudes of natives within “China proper”. Chinese Empires in all its different forms have carried out plenty of military aggressions against its neighbours.

    Yes really. Its clear to me that you have a personal axe to grind against china and that’s why you’re being obstinate about this point even when you don’t have a good argument. Have you even been to china before? You do realize that there are like 55 something minority groups in china that still retain their cultural and genetic integrity. They haven’t been culturally or genetically assimilated into the chinese although they are integrated into chinese society. How could you be unaware of this? Oh thats right, its because you’re not actually that knowledgeable about china.

    Nothing you said disproved my point. China is unlike the west, it is civilizationally different. China doesn’t want to conquer everybody and force them to think in a certain way or believe certain beliefs. People that accuse china of doing this are projecting their own (western) mindsets onto the chinese. Once again, the fact that china’s neighbors still exist is a testament to the character of chinese civilization. China had the means to genocide and displace them but it did not. Were china not as relatively peaceful as it is then nations like korea, japan, vietnam etc would not exist today.

  187. GammaRay says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    That happened only in areas that were sparsely populated by primitive stone age peoples, still in the hunter-gatherer stage of development

    So if people are “primitive” then we have to right to kill, mistreat or push them out of the way. Is that correct? This sounds pretty much like what you’re trying to suggest (So much for these “enlightened” and “civilized” western values I keep hearing about. Yet the chinese are considered awful people for occasionally mistreating dogs LOL).

    to wit : in North America, north of the Rio Grande (about 2 m people), in South America, east of the Andes (about 1 m people), in Australia (about 250,000 people) and in Siberia (again about 250,000 people). In the rest of the world “colonization” meant temporary rule without mass European immigration, as in Asia and Africa, or limited immigration with the formation of a mixed-race population as in Latin America.

    So you’re basically agreeing with almost everything I just wrote:

    Indigenous people around the world were either displaced, maltreated, exploited, genocided and oftentimes some combination of all these by the european colonizers. I dont understand why alt-righters such as yourself continue to claim otherwise. How delusional are you guys?

    I clearly stated that european colonizers did multiple bad things to indigenous people, not just genocide.

    Genocide happened nowhere.

    If what the native americans experienced can’t be considered as genocide then why do people like yourself claim that whites are being genocided? (LOL) By your standards whites are nowhere close to experiencing the kind of treatment that could be correctly called “genocide”.

    Indigenous peoples were sometimes treated badly, yes, but no worse than the Hindus of India were treated by the invading Muslims. If Third World peoples are so much outraged by the history of European settler colonialism, then they should refrain from trying to immigrate into such countries. Instead, they come in droves, hypocritically trying to profit from the stability and wealth of such countries while at the same time condemning their creation.

    Actually the actions of third world people are pretty congruent with what they experienced in the past. If you have the chance to colonize the people who once colonized you, why wouldn’t you take the opportunity?

    The fact that they are a “broken people with a dying culture” is not the fault of Whites, it is their own fault. They vegetate on their reservations, living on welfare and addicted to alcohol and drugs. Nobody forces them to do so.

    Yeah…lets just forget about everything that lead up to them living in these conditions. The same could be said for whites btw. Many on the alt-right lament the current degeneration of white culture and blame it on the jews, but the truth is that the ways that the jews supposedly destabilize western culture are just by exposing whites to degeneracy, vice and subversive ideologies; its not like jews are forcing whites to engage in it.

    As for them constituting only a small proportion of the population, the Indians of the US, who are now with 4 million (two times as many as they were before the arrival of Whites) have their own reservations with a combined surface as big as that of the UK, which has a population of 60 million. Not exactly a reason to become “demoralized” by territorial claustrophobia!

    hey man like I said:

    On that tangent, there are more white people alive in the US in 2019 (approx 198 million out of 329 million) than there ever has been historically. The only thing that’s changed has been the percentage of the population that they constitute. Yet for some reason the alt-right continue to kvetch about “white genocide” (LOL).

    There are more whites alive now than ever before in the US, so why do people like you complain about white genocide?

    have their own reservations with a combined surface as big as that of the UK, which has a population of 60 million. Not exactly a reason to become “demoralized” by territorial claustrophobia!

    except they used to be spread out and live across nearly the entire landmass of the current united states. This was never about territorial claustrophobia, its about the fact that native americans can no longer claim the land that they used to and roam freely in it. Your argument is disingenuous, both you and I both know that.

  188. GammaRay says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Is Japan under attack by massive replacement lvl migrants? It is under the same condition as western countries with mass communication and transit.

    Your comments are extremely flawed in this regard.

    reading comprehension friend.

    you lose all credibility with the bolded statement. The current state of technology vastly facilitates mass-immigration and multiculturalism. Just because you say it doesnt matter doesnt mean that it is so. If the requisite technology didnt exist then multiculturalism and mass-immigration would be nearly impossible. You just don’t want to admit that the west plays the biggest role in creating the conditions for its own demise, both directly and indirectly.

    Mass immigration and multiculturalism are only made possible via western technology. Key word is “made possible”, not “causes”. Policy also matters and I never said it didnt, I’m serious. Go look through my responses.

    With that being said, modern day japan has experienced an exponential increase in foreigners and race mixing compared to just two hundred years ago before it began modernizing. Using japan as an example just strengthens my point, technology vastly promotes immigration, travel and race mixing and is highly conducive for facilitating mass immigration and multiculturalism.

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  189. @Showmethereal

    The Emperors also used to supply Chinese wives and concubines to their vassal rulers in exchange for the tribute they paid.

  190. Ber says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    This is circular reasoning.

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  191. @Lin

    I know and I understand. It was a rhetorical question to nymom to expose their prejudice. The claim i hear iz that becauze dogs and cats and horses ate pets so they shouldnt be eaten… Or thzt they are smart. Anyone who works on a farm knows pigs and cows and goats all have feelings and cann all be pets at some level too. It is just prejudice not bazed on anything of real substance. I dont eat any except cow on rare occasion and goats… But to claim some moral superiority is nonsense… I say that as a person who loves dogs. Animals are animals and humans are humans. I believe the bible. So I dont eat lobster. But in the west lobsters are seen as a “rich” man’s delicacy. So none of this “outrage” doez it for me. People keep birds as pets but eat chicken and turkey. It is nonsense. Just to discriminate.

    • Agree: GammaRay
    • Replies: @Lin
  192. @Ber

    There is no “circle” in my reasoning, in fact it is quite “linear” : If the Chinese set one step on a road, why didn’t they set the next step?

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  193. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:

    Rankings look fishy. How can the US be anywhere near the top?

  194. @GammaRay

    As long as we agree they are not the “causes”, we are golden.

  195. Lin says:
    @Showmethereal

    I heard about it many years ago and apparently it has been going on for a long time.
    Canuck farm boys fuck chickens:

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-spca-chilliwack-chicken-farm-abuse

    They wouldn’t dare to f**k turkeys which are tuff birds and could rip their balls off

  196. @Uku

    Ah! Caught! It is impossible to deceive you Estonians!

  197. Lo says:

    As someone who knows quite a bit about these stuff, let me say this: don’t worry. East Asians, are a tunnel visioned people optimized for test taking, because they make a single exam the decisive factor in life. It is common for East Asian students to study 15-16 hours a day if they want to get into a college. So the big difference is that. If PISA showed average hours studied we could verify. Open any college books and try to find references to Asian names, you can hardly see any. But you cannot read a math or engineering book without coming across bunch of Russian or German names even though combined population of these countries is a mere fraction of China alone. How so if they are smarter? Answer, their genius fraction is smaller + tunnel visioned test oriented study.

    Also, duly noted that in every article there is sneaky insertion that Jews are smarter. They are not. They are just way more supportive of each other. Anyone who pay attention will notice that, they managed to keep Epstein, Polanski and Weinstein out of jail for G’s sake. But, this is a common theme on this site, does @Ron Unz pay more if you say it?

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    , @d dan
    , @FKA Max
  198. GammaRay says:
    @Lo

    The irony is that you’re tunnel visioned yourself. The stereotype of asian IQ may indeed be inflated in some respects, but you take the opposite (extreme) route and suggest that asians are dummies that are incapable of applied intelligence. If you spent any time in the real world then you would realize that this is not true. If you’re banking on china or east asia overall being a paper tiger due to your (incorrect) presumption then you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

    Do you really think that if asians were only capable of test taking and were incapable of actually applying their intelligence in the real world then people wouldn’t have noticed by now? Do you know how many highly competent asian professionals I’ve met? These same professionals have respect from their colleagues white and otherwise. Likewise, do you think that the current highly developed state of many east asian nations would be possible if all asians were dummies who couldn’t use their intelligence in the real world? East asians have generally high IQs and this is correlated by their real world accomplishments. If east asians “could only take tests” and lacked the ability to apply their intelligence (as you seem to be suggesting) then we would see asians as being surprisingly low performing in the real world, but we don’t see this.

    Is asian intelligence different than white intelligence? Most likely. Are whites more creative than asians? I think this is definitely possible. That being said, lack of creativity != low applied intelligence. Additionally since whites pioneered many modern disciplines (to their credit) then naturally european names are going to dominate the semantic spaces of these areas. On that topic, why did europeans pioneer these modern disciplines in the first place and not asians? Probably because they are more open to experience and new ideas, which is a separate (but related) mental attribute to intelligence. The same dynamic exists with sports; whites created basketball and football but blacks excel at them (not according to castefootball lol). According to your logic, whites should be more athletic than blacks since they invented these sports but real world observations don’t support this idea. Just because X group invented X thing doesn’t automatically mean that X group will always excel at X thing. That’s a fallacy that’s really easy to make, but when you think about it you realize just how fallacious it is.

    Also, duly noted that in every article there is sneaky insertion that Jews are smarter. They are not. They are just way more supportive of each other. Anyone who pay attention will notice that, they managed to keep Epstein, Polanski and Weinstein out of jail for G’s sake. But, this is a common theme on this site, does @Ron Unz pay more if you say it?

    I used to buy into this canard but then I actually met some jewish people. My experience is that lots of jews are sharp as whips and many do seem to have a form of brilliance. Jews may have some other negative personality traits that mitigate their intelligence, but you’re mistaken if you think that jewish success is only due to nepotism. They practice nepotism for sure, but they have actual intelligence to back it up as well. Have you even met any jews in real life or are you just regurgitating stuff you read on /pol/?

    Its clear to me from your comment that you have some previously existing biases that you’re trying to retroactively confirm as opposed to being truly interested in the facts at hand, whether or not they fit into your worldview.

    As someone who knows quite a bit about these stuff

    Ive never been one to pick on someone’s grammar but considering the content of your comment is regarding intelligence, I thought the irony was too sweet. Your grammatical error is pretty egregious

    • Replies: @Lo
  199. Lo says:
    @GammaRay

    Lol, I am on a slow mobile device. Despite your long answer you neither answered anything nor understood what I was saying. Perhaps it is your Asian tunnel vision again. I will make it bullet points for you, I know you are low on interpreting context:

    1. I didnt say Asians are dummies. I only explained the cause of test scores. You haven’t refuted any points I made.

    2. I never said Jews are stupid. I simply claim they are NOT smarter than nations they live with. And certainly not 1std dev above on average than everyone else’s average. Simply no reason for that + it implies a racial purity that they do not possess. They do support each other religiously though. Especially older ones, whenever I hear them praise anyone, I know it is 90% that person is also a Jew. I do not claim this is evil, but it is obvious. Practical effect for me is I always adjust their comments about other Jews. If they say Scholomo is a genius I interpret he is very smart, if they say Rothsteinberger’s novel is great I understand it is a good novel and so on. Intelligence of others is not a concern for me.

    Incidentally, your second paragraph also validates my points.

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  200. d dan says:
    @Lo

    Bunch of racial stereotyping statements based on your, how should say it, oh yes, “tunnel vision”.

    “they make a single exam the decisive factor in life”

    You can criticize their system or their over emphasis of exam, but it is clearly an over-exaggeration to state that is “the decisive factor in life”.

    “It is common for East Asian students to study 15-16 hours a day if they want to get into a college”

    So what? Smart people also tend to work harder, able to concentrate and focus more, and have discipline. Smart people also tends to want to go to college.

    “If PISA showed average hours studied we could verify.”

    And you know that knowledge acquisition rate is not a linear curve, right? If you get 50 points with 1 hour of study, it does not mean that you will get 100 points with 2 hours of study. Also, why does average study hours even matter? I am sure Einstein spent more time studying and thinking about physics than most people in his time.

    “Open any college books and try to find references to Asian names, you can hardly see any. But you cannot read a math or engineering book without coming across bunch of Russian or German names even though combined population of these countries is a mere fraction of China alone. “

    There are plenty of discussions about why modern science and engineering didn’t start in China. But that hardly “proves” whether Chinese is smarter or dumber. I can choose another yardstick, for example, the fact that ancient Chinese invented more things than all other civilizations, maybe even more inventions than all other ancient civilizations combined. What do you make out of it?

    “their genius fraction is smaller “

    Your own prejudice without any proof.

  201. GammaRay says:
    @Lo

    Despite your long answer you neither answered anything nor understood what I was saying.

    Yes I did

    1. I didnt say Asians are dummies. I only explained the cause of test scores. You haven’t refuted any points I made.

    Your point would be valid if you actually stuck to only talking about test scores, however you chose to extrapolate, which in turn makes my response to you extremely relevant:

    But you cannot read a math or engineering book without coming across bunch of Russian or German names even though combined population of these countries is a mere fraction of China alone. How so if they are smarter? Answer, their genius fraction is smaller + tunnel visioned test oriented study.

    Given what you wrote, my response to you was quite germane:

    The irony is that you’re tunnel visioned yourself. The stereotype of asian IQ may indeed be inflated in some respects, but you take the opposite (extreme) route and suggest that asians are dummies that are incapable of applied intelligence.

    If east asians “could only take tests” and lacked the ability to apply their intelligence (as you seem to be suggesting) then we would see asians as being surprisingly low performing in the real world, but we don’t see this.

    What you seemed to be suggesting was very clear, therefore my responses were on topic. You should have left out the quote about math/engineering books if you wanted your point to be understood instead of cluttering your main argument with it.

    Furthermore, its clear that you seem to be fixating on a one-dimensional concept of intelligence, and I took the time in my response to address your misconception. Regardless of whether you agreed with it or not, what I wrote was relevant to your argument.

    2. I never said Jews are stupid.

    Except I never said that you said that jews were stupid. This is what I wrote:

    I used to buy into this canard but then I actually met some jewish people. My experience is that lots of jews are sharp as whips and many do seem to have a form of brilliance. Jews may have some other negative personality traits that mitigate their intelligence, but you’re mistaken if you think that jewish success is only due to nepotism. They practice nepotism for sure, but they have actual intelligence to back it up as well. Have you even met any jews in real life or are you just regurgitating stuff you read on /pol/?

    You clearly said that you think that jews are not smarter, and I countered this claim by saying that I do think there is some basis for the stereotype of jewish intelligence. At no point did I try to make the claim that jews are not stupid, rather I was arguing in favor of their brilliance. Once again, my response to you was extremely relevant and on topic.

    Incidentally, your second paragraph also validates my points.

    I openly claimed that jews practice nepotism. This was never a point of disagreement. My argument was that jewish success is not only due to nepotism but also due to high intelligence as well.

  202. @Godfree Roberts

    Mr Roberts – thank you for the references on Tibet. I knew much of it but certainly not all… Most interesting to me is the poll taken by the fake government in exile. Where did you find that info..? I wonder if that is the reason the Dalai Lama has changed his tune. Over the past years he now says “oh we dont want independence from China – we just want sufficient autonomy as promised”..?? China obviously doesnt trust him anymore – but I wonder if that poll they took caused the change in his tone…? Any thoughts or further research?

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  203. @Showmethereal

    Yes, apparently the TGIE conducted the survey and the results convinced them that there was no support for their original plan.

    OF course, by then they had burned their boats by rejecting China’s 1985 offer of Hong Kong style autonomy–which was a repeat of their 1951 offer.

    An odd, recurring behavior of all exiled elites is their blind persistence in attitudes that had little support when they were in charge and which support has only declined since their departure.

    I am sure there are plenty of people who know the details of that survey but, since it was conducted clandestinely, are reluctant to speak publicly about it. It was a setback for the TGIE and is not a topic the PRC wants publicly discussed.

    If you were to catch someone like Melvyn Goldstein after a public lecture and ask him, he could fill you in. Barry Sautman ditto. Or hang out in Dharamsala for a week or two…

  204. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Lo

    It is common for East Asian students to study 15-16 hours a day if they want to get into a college.

    You are spot on.

    “Grind Culture” has caused a serious public health crisis in Northeast-Asian countries and literally made them have worse (“tunnel”) vision:

    “East Asia has been gripped by an unprecedented rise in myopia, also known as short-sightedness. Sixty years ago, 10–20% of the Chinese population was short-sighted. Today, up to 90% of teenagers and young adults are. In Seoul, a whopping 96.5% of 19-year-old men are short-sighted.[]
    […]
    “To put it crudely, myopia is not the ophthalmic sign of intelligence, rather it marks the striver”, says Alireza Mirshahi.” – https://www.unz.com/article/dysgenics-and-low-creativity-why-china-cant-save-civilization/?showcomments#comment-2487873

    By 2050 half the world’s population, around 5 billion people, are expected to be short-sighted compared to roughly 1.4 billion people today – 10 per cent of these will have severe myopia, which carries a risk of blindness.

    In high income Asian countries like Singapore, South Korea and China – which have intensive education pressures including homework at preschool level – as many as 90 per cent of people are short-sighted by the time they leave school at 18.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/short-sighted-glasses-eyes-education-myopia-children-singapore-korea-blindness-a8386071.html

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  205. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Jews also have higher rates of myopia:

    [MORE]

    The influence of study habits on myopia in Jewish teenagers.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8254449 Zylbermann et al. (1993)
    We found a statistically significant higher prevalence and degree of myopia in a group of 193 Orthodox Jewish male students who differed from the rest in their study habits.

    https://www.unz.com/jpetras/judeo-centrism-myths-and-mania/#comment-1849454

    “Myopia is about twice as common in Jewish people than in people of non-Jewish ethnicity.[96]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-sightedness#cite_ref-Jensen_96-0 Jensen, A.R. (1998) The g Factor. Westport, Connecticut: Praeger Publishers

    Jews probably slightly push up the White daily studying/homework time average:

    Analyzing ‘the homework gap’ among high school students

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/08/10/analyzing-the-homework-gap-among-high-school-students/

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  206. AaronB says:
    @FKA Max

    I had 20/20 eyesight while I lived an outdoor athletic lifestyle in Israel. When I moved to the US and joined the Jewish cram culture as a teenager, I developed myopia within 2 years.

    • Agree: FKA Max
  207. loren says:
    @Anonymous

    Their lives would have been better if white people didn’t lift then from the stick age [africa] or middle age [elsewhere.

  208. loren says:

    Human embryos are eaten “for health”.

    And fetuses and pre term babies, eaten. I saw this being done at Ambrose Kane, before they shut his original site was closed.

  209. loren says:
    @GammaRay

    Not really sure how much of this is true and how much of it is CIA disinformation

    Ask Tibetans online. Surely you jest.

    • Replies: @Lin
  210. Lin says:
    @loren

    Try Dalai Lama’s shit..(I mean literally his shit)
    ‘..The Dalai Lama can stave off trauma: “Rosinus Lentilius, in the Ephemeridum Physico-Medicorum, Leipsig, 1694, speaks of he Grand Lama of Thibet as held in such high veneration by the devotees of his faith that his excrements, carefully collected, dried, powdered, and sold at high prices by the priests, were used as a sternutatory powder, to induce sneezing, and as a condiment for their food, and as a remedy for all the graver forms of disease..”..’
    http://thepoopproject.org/blog/the-poop-of-the-pious

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  211. Ber says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    At the moment history is not quite giving away facts from the ‘other’ side. We all know this.

    As to why China had not progressed from where it had left off is a very good question. Perhaps one could surmise that the western powers’ need to subjugate and destroy established societies (competitors) in the world is one main reason for the demise of some countries. To wit, South America, India, Russia as well as China.

    Now that Russia as well as China appears to be recovering, the sledgehammer is being exercised again.

  212. xcd says:
    @Rahan

    So, your idea of progress and civilization is malls laden with consumer goods and big-ticket infrastructure. And they remain mad as hatters. Who are the mad AT?

  213. xcd says:

    The propaganda denigrating foreigners changes according to the stage of imperilism, e.g
    – We have acquired a vast land of resources, empty of humans.
    – There are some subhumans/savages/potential slaves here.
    – They can be taught to serve us in certain tasks.
    – They can be saved/civilised under our continued rule and education.
    – They may have some achievements, but have deviated/regressed since we set them free.
    – They are uncouth/ungrateful/devious/chauvinist/fundamentalist.
    – They copy/imitate/violate IPR, but cannot create afresh.
    – They are trying to overwhelm us with shoddy goods or brute migrants.
    – They are manipulating/closing off their market.
    – They are undermining our government/strategic aims.
    – They have weapons of mass destruction.
    – They pose an existential threat.

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