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There is something irresistibly attractive in Russia’s defense of traditional and religious values (what might be called Russian neo-conservatism if that label had not been usurped by American Jewish warmongers). But where does it really come from? We tend to assume that it is a reaction to Western post-modern decadence. But there is more depth to it.

What is Russia? How does Russia define herself, and how does she conceive of her relationship to Europe? Specifically, from what tradition do Russia’s current ruling elites draw their vision of Russian civilization? I wanted to learn about the Russian thinkers of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries that the Russians themselves have rediscovered since the fall of Communism, and who are said to have a strong influence on Vladimir Putin and his entourage. Here is what I found.

Let’s start, quite logically, with three authors whose books were offered by Vladimir Putin to governors and members of his United Russia party for the New Year 2014 (see here and here):

  • Vladimir Solovyov’s The Justification of the Good
  • Nikolai Berdyaev ‘s The Philosophy of Inequality
  • Ivan Ilyin’s Our Tasks

All three authors are deeply religious and patriotic, and as such committed to Russian Orthodoxy. All three are passionate about Russia, and hold her as “an original and independent civilization,” in the terms used by Vladimir Putin in his October 27, 2022 speech at the Valdai Forum.

Soloviev or Solovyov (1853-1900) was a poet, philosopher, theologian and mystic, specially known for his “Sophiology”, a theory of Wisdom as the Feminine World Principle, which Soloviev encountered mystically (I have mentioned it in an earlier article). His book The Justification of the Good: An Essay on Moral Philosophy, written in 1897, is an attempt to found moral values on a scientific basis, by showing that they are anchored in three impulses of the mind common to all peoples: shame, pity and reverence. Shame causes us not to identify with our base instincts, and manifests itself in modesty; pity is compassion for our equals; reverence, which is the foundation of social hierarchy and religion, is love for superior beings. I will not dwell on this book, which, unlike the other two, does not have a strong political dimension.

Nicolas Berdyaev (1874-1948) is one of the most accessible Russian philosophers, especially to French readers, because he lived in France and died there, and most of his writings have been translated. He contributed to introduce other like-minded Russian thinkers like Konstantin Leontiev or Alexis Khomiakov, whom I will talk about later. His book The Philosophy of Inequality: Letters to my Contempters Concerning Social Philosophy, written in 1918, is a harsh critique of the paradigms of Western political thought. Berdyaev has a mystical and supernatural conception of power: “The principle of power, he writes, is entirely irrational. … no one in the world has ever submitted to any power for rational reasons.” Power is always personal. That is why democracy — the Rousseauist utopia of the sovereignty of the people — is a lie. “Since the creation of the world, it is always the minority which has governed, which governs and which will govern. … The only question is whether it is the better or the worse minority that governs.” The government of the best, that is to say aristocracy in the proper sense, is “a higher principle of social life, the only utopia worthy of man.” The triumph of democratism “represents the greatest danger to human progress, to the qualitative elevation of human nature.”[1]My translation from the French edition, Nicolas Berdiaev, De l’inégalité, L’Âge d’homme, 2008, p. 132. It is the worship of an empty idea, the deification of human arbitrariness.

Ivan Ilyin (1884-1954) is the political thinker most often mentioned as having an influence on Putin. Arrested six times by the Bolsheviks, he was finally exiled in 1922 by Lenin, on the famous “philosophers’ ships” among 160 other intellectuals, including Berdyaev. Like Berdyaev, Ilyin saw Soviet Communism as inherently evil, because of its metaphysical materialism and destruction of religious life. In the opening pages of On Resistance to Evil by Force (a critic of the pacifism of Tolstoy and his disciples, and a message to the “White warriors, bearers of the Orthodox sword”, written in 1925), Ilyin writes:

As a result of a long brewing process, evil has now managed to free itself from all internal divisions and external obstacles, show its face, spread its wings, utter its goals, muster its forces, realize its ways and means; moreover, it has openly legitimated itself, formulated its dogmas and canons, praised its own no longer hidden disposition, and revealed to the world its spiritual nature. Nothing equivalent or equal to this has been seen in the history of humanity, at least as far as can be remembered.[2]Ivan Aleandrovich Ilyin, On Resistance to Evil by Force, Taxiarch Press, 2018, pp. 1, 3.

While living in Germany, Ilyin had expressed some support for National Socialism in 1933, with an essay titled “National Socialism: ‘A New Spirit’.” However, he was soon disappointed by Hitler’s racial policy and moved to Switzerland, where he died. At Putin’s initiative, his body was repatriated to Russia in 2005 and buried in the Donskoy monastery.

Our Tasks is a two-volume collection of articles smuggled into Soviet Russia between 1948 and 1954. Ilyin set a program for rebuilding Russia after the collapse of the Soviet regime, which he hoped was near. With prophetic accuracy, he warned the Russians about the designs of the West on the dismemberment of the Russian state. The West, he understood, dreams of carving up Russia into “a giant Balkans”, a tragedy which would produce irreparable global chaos. Putin’s description of the collapse of the Soviet Union as “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of modern times” echoes Ilyin’s words. The translator of Ilyin’s On Resistance to Evil by Force, wrote:

Another important contribution of Ilyin was his concept of the “world backstage”, the cosmopolitan forces which controlled European powers from the shadows, and had as their intention the dissection and destruction of the Russian state. Thus, he deepened the Russian understanding of contemporary political developments and the rise of non-state actors, making clear that the Bolshevik Revolution had not been a native uprising, but a meticulously planned foreign plot.[3]K. Benois, “About the Author,”, in Ivan Aleandrovich Ilyin, On Resistance to Evil by Force, Taxiarch Press, 2018, p. vi.

Like Berdyaev, Ilyin has Russia’s post-Soviet rebirth in mind, and for this he seeks to understand and explain the deeper nature of Russia and her ideal type of government. He advocates a third way between democracy and totalitarianism, which he defines as “a firm, national-patriotic dictatorship inspired by the liberal idea.” A new idea is needed, he claimed, for a new Russia.

This idea should be state-historical, state-national, state-patriotic, state-religious. This idea should stem from the very fabric of Russian soul and Russian history, from its spiritual hunger. This idea should speak of the essence of Russians — both of the past and of the future — it should light the way for the generations of Russians to come, giving meaning to their lives and giving them vigor.[4]Quoted from Anton Barbashin, “Ivan Ilyin: A Fashionable Fascist,” April 20, 2018 on https://ridl.io/ivan-ilyin-a-fashionable-fascist/

This idea has to be firmly ingrained in a layer of enlightened and determined patriots who would be ready take the reins of Russia and save her from dismemberment by the West.

We do not know when or how the Communist revolution in Russia will be interrupted. But we know what is the main task of salvation and Russian national reconstruction: the ascension to the top of the best, men committed to Russia, who feel their nation, who think about their State, voluntary, creative, who offer the people not revenge and decadence, but the spirit of liberation, justice and union between all classes. If the election of these new Russian men is a success and is achieved quickly, Russia will rise and be reborn in a few years. If this is not the case, Russia will fall into revolutionary chaos in a long period of post-revolutionary demoralization, decadence and dependence on the outside.[5]Quoted in Michel Eltchaninoff, Dans la tête de Vladimir Poutine, Actes Sud, 2022, pp. 52-53. I have used the translation from www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

The head of the government that could rescue Russia from chaos, writes Ilyin, “must be guided by the idea of the Whole, and not by particular, personal or partisan motives.” And he should not refrain from violence: “He strikes the enemy instead of wasting time.”[6]Quoted by Étienne de Floirac in “The Philosophical Sources of Putin’s Thinking,” May 1, 2022, on www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

Pan-Slavism and Eurasianism

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Soloviev, Berdiaev and Ilyin were all writing during a century of great intellectual creativity in Russia. The defeat of Napoleon in 1815 had established Russia as one of the Great Powers at the Congress of Vienna. Yet in the following decades, Russians became frustrated by what they perceived as the West’s persisting hostility and contempt. This gave birth in 1830s and 1840s to the intellectual movement of the “Slavophiles”, who opposed the infatuation of the “Westernizers” for European culture and sought to define Russia’s unique identity and destiny.

During the Crimean War (1853-1856), Russians were shocked to find Catholic and Protestant powers allying with the Muslim Empire against Christian Russia. Twenty years later, Tsar Alexander II, acting as protector of Christian nations, once again went to war against the Ottomans who had just drowned the uprising of the Serbs and the Bulgarians in a bloodbath. By the Treaty of San Stefano (1878), the Tsar founded the autonomous principalities of Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania, and amputated the Ottoman Empire of territories populated by Georgians and Armenians. But the Europeans again opposed this redistribution and convened the Congress of Berlin (1885), which amputated the Russian conquests, and returned most of Armenia, as well as part of Bulgaria, to the Ottoman Empire. Russia had won the war but lost the peace. The independent principalities of the Balkans are fragmented into small, weak, rival and ethnically divided states — a “balkanization” that will contribute to the outbreak of the First World War.

These episodes left a bitter taste to Russian patriots. Fyodor Dostoevsky (1821-1881) expressed his frustration in his final year:

was there a limit to our efforts to make Europe recognize us as hers, as Europeans, solely as Europeans, and not Tartars? Continually and incessantly we have annoyed Europe, meddling with her affairs and petty business. Now, we scared her with our strength, dispatching our armies “to save the kings,” now we bowed before Europe — which we shouldn’t have done — assuring her that we were created solely for the purpose of serving her and making her happy.[7]Fyodor Dostoievsky, The Diary of a Writer, trans. Boris Brasol, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1919, p. 1045.

His contemporary Nicolai Danilevskii (1822-1885) reflected on this whole situation in Russia and Europe (1869) As his recent translator Stephen Woodburn writes:

The blatant hypocrisy of Europe’s aggressive response in the Crimean War to the expansion of Russian influence, and its benign indulgence of naked German aggression against Denmark ten years later, obviously failed the test of rationality. Something irrational was afoot, and Danilevskii introduced his book as an attempt to explain what that was.[8]Stephen M. Woodburn, “Translator’s Introduction”, in Nicolai Iakovlevich Danilevskii, Russia and Europe: The Slavic World’s Political and Cultural Relations with the Germanic-Roman West, Slavica Publishers, 2013, p. xix.

Realizing that all Russian efforts to befriend Europe were met with deception or rejection, Danilevskii called his fellow citizens to admit that Europe and Russia were fundamentally foreign to each other: “Neither true modesty nor true pride would allow Russia to claim to be Europe. It did nothing to deserve that honor, and if it wants to deserve a different one, it should not claim what it does not deserve.”[9]Ibid., p. xx.
(Stephen M. Woodburn, “Translator’s Introduction”, in Nicolai Iakovlevich Danilevskii, Russia and Europe: The Slavic World’s Political and Cultural Relations with the Germanic-Roman West, Slavica Publishers, 2013, p. xix.)
Russia and Western Europe do not share any common history, except marginally, and their characters were shaped by completely different circumstances. Born under the tutelage of Byzantium and growing up in the shadow of Sarai (the capital of the Golden Horde), Russia knew nothing of feudalism, Latin culture, Scholasticism or the Renaissance. Putin seemed to echo Danilevskii when he stated in his 2012 state-of-the-federation address: “In order to revive national consciousness, we need to link historical eras and get back to understanding the simple truth that Russia did not begin in 1917, or even in 1991, but, rather, that we have a common, continuous history spanning over 1,000 years and we must rely on it to find inner strength and purpose in our national development.”

A biologist by training, Danilevskii developed the earliest organic theory of civilizations, which may have influenced Spengler. According to him, each civilization has its own development, based on its own ethnic nature, itself shaped by geography. Russian identity, according to Danilevskii, is “Slavdom”. That is why Russia must, on the one hand, protect herself from the influence of Germano-Roman culture, which can only disturb its natural development, and on the other hand, unite in one great civilization all the Slavic countries. Danilevskii was writing when the unification of the German states under Prussian leadership was nearly complete, and he admired Bismarck’s principled ambition and pragmatic opportunism. He also saw the need for a strong Slavic federation under Russian leadership to counterbalance the hegemony of Western Europe. “The struggle against the West, he wrote, is the only saving means for the healing of our Russian culture.”[10]Quoted by Étienne de Floirac in “The Philosophical Sources of Putin’s Thinking,” May 1, 2022, on www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

Danilevskii’s book was an important landmark in the nineteenth century, but its limited circulation at that time cannot be compared with the number of editions that has been printed since the 1990s. After a 1991 edition printed for 70,000 copies, which was made required reading at Russian military academies,[11]J. L. Black, Russia Faces NATO Expansion: Bearing Gifts or Bearing Arms? Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2000, p. 5 (reviewed here: https://networks.h-net.org/node/10000/reviews/10225/...aring) a deluxe edition of 20,000 copies appeared in 1995, followed by four new editions between 2002 and 2010.

Despite the merits of Danilevskii as a pioneer of geopolitical analysis, his ethnically based pan-Slavic project raised skepticism. Konstantin Leontiev (1831-1891), nine years younger than him, objected in Byzantinism and Slavdom that Slavic countries do not share a common history. Catholic Poland has always been the mortal enemy of Russia. The Czechs, whether Catholic or Protestant, are deeply Germanized, while the Bulgarians are culturally close to the Greeks. Hungary and Romania are closer to Russia, but are not Slavic. Today, only Serbia, Belarus (White Russia) and East Ukraine (Little Russia) could be regarded as belonging to the same civilization as Great Russia.

Danilevskii’s assessment of Slavdom also lacks consideration for the Asian influence on Russians, which Leontiev was one of the first to emphasize. It became a subject of study two generations later, with the pioneering work of the linguist Nikolai Trubetzkoy (1890-1938), whose major articles are collected in the volume titled The Legacy of Genghis Khan (1925), and made him a founder of Eurasianism. He writes:

from an ethnographic point of view, the Russian people are not purely Slavic. The Russians, the Ugro Finns, and the Volga Turks comprise a cultural zone that has connections with both the Slavs and the “Turanian East,” and it is difficult to say which of these is more important. The connection between the Russians and the Turanians has not only an ethnographic but an anthropological basis: Turkic blood mingles in Russian veins with that of the Ugro-Finns and Slavs. And the Russian national character is unquestionably linked in certain ways with the “Turanian East.” The brotherhood and mutual understanding that develop so quickly between us and “Asians” are rooted in these invisible racial consonances.[12]Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, p. 96.

Like Lev Gumilev (1912-1992) after him, Trubetzkoy also argued that the unification of the territory of modern Russia under one state was first achieved not by Russian Slavs, but by the Tatars (or Turano-Mongols). Ultimately, “the political unification of Russia under the power of Moscow was a direct result of the Tatar Yoke.” Although traumatic, the Tatar Yoke forged Russian nationality.

Thus, in reaction to the despair occasioned by total defeat at the hands of the Tatars, a wave of heroism — primarily religious but also nationalistic — was growing and gaining strength in Russian hearts and minds.

The center of the process of inner rebirth was Moscow. All the phenomena brought into existence by the Tatar Yoke resonated there with exceptional force. … Russians in this area assimilated more easily and quickly the spirit of the Mongolian state, that is, the ideational legacy of Genghis Khan. It was also Moscow and the Moscow region that exhibited particular interest in Byzantine state ideologies.[13]Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, pp. 177, 181.

Putin clearly supports Eurasianism rather than pan-Slavism. Yet, he does not refrain from stressing that the “the [ethnic] Russian people are, without a doubt, the backbone, the fundament, the cement of the multinational Russian people.”[14] Mark Galeotti, “Putin’s Empire of the Mind. How Russia’s president morphed from realist to ideologue — and what he’ll do next,” April 21, 2014, on foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/21/putins-empire-of-the-mind/

Orthodoxy and Byzantinism

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The early founders of the Slavophile movement, such as Alexis Khomiakov (1804-1860), insisted on religion, rather than ethnicity, as the main ingredient of civilization. For Khomiakov, Orthodoxy is the very soul of Russia, and what sets Russians apart from Western peoples, whether Catholics or Protestants. In the Greek Orthodox tradition, the Church is the community of believers, united in the love of Christ. This is why all Russians, from peasants to boyars, will make any sacrifice to defend the Church. From the eleventh century, the Roman papacy destroyed this spiritual communion by imposing a radical separation between the institutional Church and lay people, so that “the Christian was no longer a member of the Church, but a subject of it.”[15]Translated from Alexeï Khomiakov, L’Église latine et le protestantisme au point de vue de l’Église d’Orient, Lausanne, 1872, p. 38.

The divergences between Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy, and their effects on the collective souls of peoples, is a rich and complex subject on which I cannot dwell here. What is most important to understand is that these are not simply doctrinal or liturgical differences; there is a fundamental difference of political philosophy. The struggle for papal supremacy, which is rooted in Augustine’s theories and which dominated West European history since the beginning of the Gregorian reform (eleventh century), is a radical departure from the Orthodox tradition established in Constantinople in the fourth century, which Catholics deride as “caesaropapism”.[16]Henri-Xavier Arquillière, L’Augustinisme politique. Essai sur la Formation des théories politiques du Moyen-Âge, Librairie philosophique J. Vrin, 1972.

This is why Konstantin Leontiev, one of the most influential Russian political philosophers, characterized the essence of Russia as “Byzantinism” rather than simply Orthodoxy. Russia is heir to Byzantine civilization in its intricate political and religious aspects. In his book Byzantinism and Slavdom, published in 1875, Leontiev defines Byzantinism as, essentially, autocratic despotism sanctified by the Church: “from whatever angle we examine the life and state of Great Russia, we will see that Byzantinism, that is, Church and the tsar, whether directly or indirectly, penetrate deeply into the very subsoil of our social organism.”[17]Konstantin Leontiev, Byzantinism and Slavdom, Taxiarch Press, 2020, p. 33.

Russia’s traditional attachment to Byzantinism has much to do with her sense of mission to collect and save the heritage of the Eastern Roman Empire assassinated by the international brigades of the Pope under the pretext of liberating the East from Islam, when the Frankish crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1205. This mortal wound, from which Byzantium would never recover, Westerners have carefully repressed it from their collective memory, but Russians have engraved it in theirs. It resonated with another cornerstone of their national narrative, the victory of their national saint and hero Alexander Nevski against other crusaders in 1242. As Nikolai Trubetzkoy points out, Russia’s identification with Orthodoxy was deepened and strengthened during the humiliation of the Tatar Yoke, even benefitting from the khans’ religious tolerance and support of the Church.

let us remember that Russia had come to know Orthodox Byzantium long before the Tatar Yoke and that during the time of the Yoke the grandeur of Byzantium was in eclipse; yet for some reason it was during the period of Tatar rule that Byzantine state ideologies, which formerly had no particular appeal in Russia, came to occupy a central place in the Russian national consciousness. It follows that the grafting of these ideologies onto Russia was not motivated by the prestige of Byzantium, and that they were needed only to link an idea of the state, Mongolian in origin, to Orthodoxy, thereby making it Russian. So it was that this idea was absorbed, an idea which Russians had encountered in real life after their land was incorporated into the Mongolian empire and became one of its provinces.[18]Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, p. 181.

For Russians, the betrayals of the West since the nineteenth century are only the repetition of a pattern that started in medieval times. This is precisely the argument of the film “The fall of an Empire: the Lesson of Byzantium”, aired on the Russian government-controlled television station Rossiia (RTR) on January 31, 2008. It was produced, directed and narrated by Father Tikhon Shevkunov, head of the Sretenskii monastery in Moscow, and a friend of Putin. In the film, the collapse of the Eastern Roman Empire is attributed to corrupt domestic oligarchs and the pernicious actions of the West. The story of Byzantium is explicitly presented as a warning for Russia’s contemporary rulers: they are exhorted to rein in the oligarchs, fortify the ramparts against the West, or face destruction. As I wrote in an earlier article, we Westerners don’t know what Russia is, because we don’t know what Byzantium is.

In the mid-nineteenth century, Russian patriots were passionate about Russia’s mission, not only as heir, but as liberator of Constantinople. Already Catherine II, Empress of all the Russias from 1762 to her death in 1796, had hoped to rebuild the Byzantine Empire by including Greece, Thrace and Bulgaria, and pass it on to her grandson, predestined by his name Constantine.

In 1877, Dostoevsky told his readers again and again, “Constantinople must be ours.” Since Russia “unhesitatingly accepted the banner of the East, having placed the Byzantine double eagle over and above its ancient coat-of-arms,” she assumed the responsibility of liberating Constantinople, also known as Tsargrad:

Constantinople must be ours, conquered by us, Russians, from the Turks, and remain ours forever. She must belong to us alone, and possessing her we may, of course, admit into her all Slavs and, in addition, anyone whom we please, on the broadest basis.[19]Fyodor Dostoievsky, The Diary of a Writer, trans. Boris Brasol, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1919, pp. 629, 904.

There is, of course, no Russian plan to conquer Istanbul today. Rather, steps are taken for a long-term constructive relationship between those two civilizations, based on a mutual recognition of their shared Byzantine heritage. As a matter of fact, Erdoğan’s Turkey is slowly but surely moving toward Byzantinism, in the broad sense of a close alliance between state and church. And of course, Iran has been traveling this road since 1979. As for China under Xi Jinping, it is injecting a good dose of neo-Confusianism in its State ideology. The emerging multipolar world order might well turn out a Byzantine mosaic.

Byzantinism is, in any case, the model of Putin’s Russia, We might call it Ilyinism, but it seems to be in fact a shared conviction of all major Russian philosophers of the last two centuries, including Dostoevsky.

John Schindler, a former professor at the U.S. Navy War College, wrote in a 2014 piece for the National Review Online, titled “Putinism and the anti-WEIRD Coalition” (in which WEIRD stands for “Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic”):

Putinism includes a good amount of Ilyin-inspired Orthodoxy and Russian nationalism working hand-in-glove, what its advocates term symphonia, meaning the Byzantine-style unity of state and church, in stark contrast to American notions of separation of church and state. Although the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) is not the state church, de jure, in practice it functions as something close to one, enjoying a privileged position at home and abroad. Putin has explained the central role of the ROC by stating that Russia’s “spiritual shield” — meaning her church-grounded resistance to post-modernism — is as important to her security as her nuclear shield. Meanwhile, Kremlin security agencies have publicly embraced Orthodoxy too, with the FSB espousing a doctrine of “spiritual security,” which boils down to the ROC and the “special services” working together against the West and its malign influences.

As Schindler correctly notes, Westerners who are horrified by Putin’s reactionary conservatism only have to blame themselves for it.

When Washington, DC, considers having successful gay pride parades a key benchmark for “advancement” in Eastern Europe, with the full support of U.S. diplomats, we should not be surprised when the Kremlin and its sympathizers move to counter this.

By its crusade for sexual deviancy the West is, dialectically, making Russian conservatism more and more attractive to decent peoples. “One of the big talking points from the Kremlin and the ROC is that Russia represents the actual global consensus on such matters, while the West is the decadent outlier.” The West is definitely the world’s WEIRDo, and has already lost the battle for the minds.

Notes

[1] My translation from the French edition, Nicolas Berdiaev, De l’inégalité, L’Âge d’homme, 2008, p. 132.

[2] Ivan Aleandrovich Ilyin, On Resistance to Evil by Force, Taxiarch Press, 2018, pp. 1, 3.

[3] K. Benois, “About the Author,”, in Ivan Aleandrovich Ilyin, On Resistance to Evil by Force, Taxiarch Press, 2018, p. vi.

[4] Quoted from Anton Barbashin, “Ivan Ilyin: A Fashionable Fascist,” April 20, 2018 on https://ridl.io/ivan-ilyin-a-fashionable-fascist/

[5] Quoted in Michel Eltchaninoff, Dans la tête de Vladimir Poutine, Actes Sud, 2022, pp. 52-53. I have used the translation from www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

[6] Quoted by Étienne de Floirac in “The Philosophical Sources of Putin’s Thinking,” May 1, 2022, on www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

[7] Fyodor Dostoievsky, The Diary of a Writer, trans. Boris Brasol, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1919, p. 1045.

[8] Stephen M. Woodburn, “Translator’s Introduction”, in Nicolai Iakovlevich Danilevskii, Russia and Europe: The Slavic World’s Political and Cultural Relations with the Germanic-Roman West, Slavica Publishers, 2013, p. xix.

[9] Ibid., p. xx.

[10] Quoted by Étienne de Floirac in “The Philosophical Sources of Putin’s Thinking,” May 1, 2022, on www.thepostil.com/the-philosophical-sources-of-putins-thinking/

[11] J. L. Black, Russia Faces NATO Expansion: Bearing Gifts or Bearing Arms? Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2000, p. 5 (reviewed here: https://networks.h-net.org/node/10000/reviews/10225/granville-black-russia-faces-nato-expansion-bearing-gifts-or-bearing)

[12] Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, p. 96.

[13] Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, pp. 177, 181.

[14] Mark Galeotti, “Putin’s Empire of the Mind. How Russia’s president morphed from realist to ideologue — and what he’ll do next,” April 21, 2014, on foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/21/putins-empire-of-the-mind/

[15] Translated from Alexeï Khomiakov, L’Église latine et le protestantisme au point de vue de l’Église d’Orient, Lausanne, 1872, p. 38.

[16] Henri-Xavier Arquillière, L’Augustinisme politique. Essai sur la Formation des théories politiques du Moyen-Âge, Librairie philosophique J. Vrin, 1972.

[17] Konstantin Leontiev, Byzantinism and Slavdom, Taxiarch Press, 2020, p. 33.

[18] Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetzkoy, The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, Michigan Slavic Publications, 1991, p. 181.

[19] Fyodor Dostoievsky, The Diary of a Writer, trans. Boris Brasol, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1919, pp. 629, 904.

 
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  1. Anonymous[438] • Disclaimer says:

    Guyenot’s back regurgitating the CIA line from his five-year Monarch brainwashing stint in the states. Let’s hear him out, for shits & grins!

    As founding members of the Group in support of the UN Charter, Russians can comprehend both peoples and nations. But if anybody accepts the UN Charter’s distinction between peoples and nations, or acknowledges cultural rights, CIA gets Tourettes and blurts out, ethnic nationalistm!!1! Because for them, any cultural distinctions are a crack to stick their crowbar into. So that’s where this Guyenot notion comes from. It’s an old-time Euro Orientalist’s attempt to interpret rule of law as dogma from ancient texts.

    “Conservatism” cracks me up. CIA has used it as a term of opprobrium ever since they sewed up the nominal left. CIA lives in a one-dimensional dreamworld of right and left. Whereas in the actual world, three prominent worldviews interact: realists, think Machiavelli; legalists, think Grotius; and revolutionaries, think Kant. Russia is using Kantian perpetual peace and Grotian rule of law to demolish US realist criminality. That is more revolutionary than Russia has ever been. More revolutionary than the CIA regime can imagine. That’s why they’re losing their shit.

    By some marvel of residual common sense Guyenot gets the main thing right: those hearts n’ minds and bags of ears are gone. Indoctrination wearing off? Where’s Joly West when you need him?

  2. Franz says:

    By its crusade for sexual deviancy the West is, dialectically, making Russian conservatism more and more attractive to decent peoples.

    And it should make everyone (Russia included) very damn suspicious.

    Up till 1945 the US was a bastion of Puritanical/Baptist repression. The world laughed at us INCLUDING Russia.

    The big flip pretty much started right after the war. Divorce was made easier and morals got lax even before Elvis started the rebellion in 1956. Bikers were tearing up towns before the 1940s ended.

    The vast majority of Americans didn’t take the bait. Most people, white anyway, still belong to a church or pay respect to the old virtues in other ways.

    The WEIRDS are a parasite regime and a media overlay that no American asked for or has any clue how to remove.

    • Replies: @1jonny
  3. YesXorNo says:

    Mr. Guyénot,

    Thank you for another thought provoking essay.

    Your connection of the “multipolar” with a Byzantine politics is very interesting. You hint of a connection between church and state with the comment that Xi’s China includes confusionism. The rejection of a celebration for homosexuality seems natural. Homosexuality is to be accepted rather than celebrated. This is a small but illuminating aspect of the post-modernism which Russia and Christian Orthodoxy reject.

    I wish you a happy new year.

    • Replies: @Shamu
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  4. Russians were forcibly deprived of their “opium of the people” for three generations, so when that drug was legalized again, they poured out their vodka and went for it in a big way. It’s a sad commentary on human nature, as Plato had observed long ago, that we can’t seem to outgrow our suicidal attraction to the irrational. Like all addicts, we mistake the thing that is destroying us for the best thing we can hope to have.

  5. anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks to Laurent Guyénot for superb summary above of some key figures & ideas in Russian intellectual history. His underscoring of the role of the Byzantine history and model for Russia, the insight he gives into the pan-Slavism vs Eurasianism discussion, and into Russia’s long sense of being slighted and betrayed by more Western Europe, are all valuable.

    But I think the relevance of all this, will fade with the boomer generation of which Guyénot is a part. Tradition-oriented ceremony-focused Christianity such as Orthodoxy, or the Latin Mass Catholicism torpedoed by Vatican II, was its most sustainable version. But in the end this will unravel – ‘eternal hell’ Abrahamic religions are too false and fraudulent, too cruel, the Bible too ugly a book, to hold up. Modernity will take its toll in Russia as well.

    Reincarnation religions – with REAL belief in and experience of life beyond death, won thru meditation etc – can thrive permanently, tho not in weak larpy ‘neo-pagan’ forms without a clear vision of eternal life transcendance. Instead of afterlife-ambiguous Confucianism, China would be better off emphasising its native deep-faith Daoism. If we don’t develop Western paganism by borrowing the good stuff from ancient India, it won’t work.

    Russians are being ethnically attacked in super-racist manner by the West, and this gives Russia an identitarian filip by way of reaction it provokes. But there are big questions about how internally strong Russia is for the future – especially given the way that dystopia seems advanced inside their best friend China, not to mention stanking Russian levels of corruption (which the West is now working hard to rival).

    It’s a big tragedy that the West and the horrifically corrupt EU, has pushed no-death-penalty, humane-leaning Russia, into the arms of torturing & mass-strangulation-hanging Iran, and mass-execution China. It’s nice to think Russia might be ‘trad culture good guys’ on the world stage, but one wonders: How much is Russia also still cooperating with Chabad, WEF and others, perhaps playing a role? From some viewpoints, it seems the big powers all work together on promotion of various kinds of scams –

    Covid and ‘vaccines’, for example, Russia’s vax apparently being rebranded AstraZeneca, simply gifted to them by the global cabal. We have Putin playing along with the 9-11 story, the West playing along with the Chechnya ‘Muslim terrorism’ story, Russia illegally forbidding Chechnya independence & killing maybe 100,000, to protect its oil & gas lines. All powers silent on the ‘moon landings’ of 1969-72 LOL. The fact that nuclear weapons seem to be a hoax, with Hiroshima and Nagasaki long ago proven to be chemical firebombings, bomb blast videos doctored, etc.

    Anyway, thanks … Laurent Guyénot is a true classic public intellectual, deeply-read but able to write learned thoughts succinctly and clearly.

    • Thanks: Kali
  6. @anonymous

    Thanks. I agree with pretty much everything you say, and the perspective that I gave here is only one-sided, or perhaps short-sighted. In the long run, Christianity is doomed … unless it can overcome its own dogmas, and its reverence for the Old Testament (the outrageous notion that Yahweh is God). That is perhaps too much to ask, but Russian Orthodoxy is, at least, more flexible. One reason is that it never traded its neo-Platonic metaphysics for Aristotelianism, and therefore allowed for a symbolic and aesthetic access to truth. It seems easier to feel Christian as an Orthodox while not believing in the Virgin birth and the physical resurrection literally. I am convinced that a collective expression of faith in the transcendental is a necessary basis for society, and I sympathize with Robespierre’s attempt to shift that basis to a more “natural religion” based on faith in the Creator and in life after death, and the cult of the common good (patriotism):
    https://www.unz.com/article/enshrining-god-in-the-constitution-robespierres-great-idea/
    But that failed. Will Russian Orthodoxy succeed? Perhaps a few miracles would help …

  7. @Anonymous

    I did not understand the thread of your thought, as presented. Rather I thought of it as “free association” snippets from several unnamed newspapers.

    Perhaps when you sober up, you might attempt at a more methodical, syllogistic, logical, and sequence of supporting information underscoring a theme. All in all, White Noise.

    • Agree: Cking, Incisive One
    • Replies: @1jonny
  8. @Observator

    What is it that is “destroying us”?

    • Replies: @One Nobody
  9. @anonymous

    “not to mention stanking Russian levels of corruption”. Could you provide samples of the worst kind, and relative to what and who?

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  10. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    Mustard guy, about 7, Sorry it went over your head, we’ll try to dumb it down next time. Guy gets it. But if he admits that, 17N is going to whack him and he’ll get his name in the hall of hopelessly burned agents.

  11. Byzantinism will lead to a slow rot, like what happened with the Eastern Roman Empire.

    Russia needs to turn Neo-Fascist to survive.

    Only Neo-Fascist orders will survive into the deep future.

    All said and done, Byzantinism is passive and slow to react.

    Only fascism leaps ahead of others in the game of power and will.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  12. PolPhil says:

    Two things caught my eye in this great article:

    “Russia and Western Europe do not share any common history, except marginally, and their characters were shaped by completely different circumstances. Born under the tutelage of Byzantium and growing up in the shadow of Sarai (the capital of the Golden Horde), Russia knew nothing of feudalism, Latin culture, Scholasticism or the Renaissance.”

    and

    “Although traumatic, the Tatar Yoke forged Russian nationality.”

    Those are very crucial points and have to be understood, in my opinion, to understand Russia today and going forward. Russia is at ease in the East. The relationship with Iran is actually one of friendship and is quite genuine I believe, and with China, Turkey and the Turkic states, genuine as well and transcending mere political pragmatism. There are always issues that do not get solved but Russia and those nations are on a very unified path in terms of the big picture and the long term.

    Also, a question for the author or anyone well-versed in Russian history: I recall one time, and only one time, many years ago reading that there was documentation of British financing of Catherine II before the coup. Something to the effect that British intelligence in Russia was giving her a very nice monthly stipend for information and helping build for her a coalition for the eventual coup. I have never seen this claim anywhere else and unfortunately, at the time I did not follow through and research the footnotes for the claimed documentation. Does anyone know anything about this?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  13. geokat62 says:

    Frankish crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1205.

    The sack of Constantinople occurred in April 1204 and marked the culmination of the Fourth Crusade.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  14. Anonymous[516] • Disclaimer says:

    “Emerging multipolar world” yeah right the US 8s getting stronger than ever while China and Russia are slipping, falling, can’t get up.

  15. Che Guava says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    M. Guyenot,

    The article was informative, thank you. However, I am surprised by your reply to one of the many annoying people here who registers and then always posts as ‘Anonymous’.

    Thanks. I agree with pretty much everything you say

    I agree with much of your reply to this ‘Anonymous 231’. The part of the post by this ‘Anonymous’ about civilisation and religion, though, is dubious at best, and the last para. is a bizarre mash-up with much nonsense. Some points demonstrably false, on a few, I have my own doubts.

    Covid and ‘vaccines’, for example, Russia’s vax apparently being rebranded AstraZeneca, simply gifted to them by the global cabal. We have Putin playing along with the 9-11 story, the West playing along with the Chechnya ‘Muslim terrorism’ story, Russia illegally forbidding Chechnya independence & killing maybe 100,000, to protect its oil & gas lines. All powers silent on the ‘moon landings’ of 1969-72 LOL. The fact that nuclear weapons seem to be a hoax, with Hiroshima and Nagasaki long ago proven to be chemical firebombings, bomb blast videos doctored, etc.

    No reason to go through it point-by-point, I will only say that the same people who claim that nuclear weapons don’t exist and that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only fire bombings (and there is much evidence that is untrue, witness accounts and cases of radiation sickness among many others) appear to be the same people claiming that just about any major explosion, from Bali to some of 911 and many more, were from ‘mini-nukes’.

    Happy New Year to you M. Guyenot, and take care re. the conspiracy trolls.

  16. @anonymous

    That’s a lot of clichés in one post. I’ll take on only two, it’s New Year’s Day and I have other things to do.

    stanking Russian levels of corruption

    Now, that may have been true in the 1990s, b/c it is a logical consequence of everything falling apart like it did then in Russia but there is simply no evidence of it today. Sure, Russia still tolerates the average Ivan making a few bucks on the side without sending an IRS/SWAT combo equivalent to break down his door and hold his kids at gunpoint but not everybody necessarily sees that as a bad thing, let alone a sign of endemic corruption.

    Covid and ‘vaccines’, for example, Russia’s vax apparently being rebranded AstraZeneca, simply gifted to them by the global cabal.

    The backward Russians sure couldn’t be so scientifically savvy as to come up with a solution of their own, could they? As a matter of fact, they could. They pioneered rDNA with a vaccine against Ebola that works in the exact same way as the Covid rDNA vaccine. Except that Ebola is way deadlier than Covid and a vaccine against Ebola is highly unlikely to be deadlier than the disease itself. Plus, Ebola is a filovirus, its glycoprotein isn’t a “spike” protein. So the Russians did blunder with the Covid vaccine but it was their own and it was far less lethal than the West’s. Moreover, they made a nasal spray that regardless of its (un)efficiency is still highly unlikely to be as damaging as the injections promoted in the West. As for the reasons why their reaction was similar to that of the West, I’m just tired of repeating it.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  17. “Russia and Western Europe do not share any common history, except marginally, and their characters were shaped by completely different circumstances.” (Quote of the intro of the translator Woodburn but not of Danilevski).

    Anyone is untrue. There was a time when Russia & Prussia used to be one. Russian “Koje” are all along the river Elbe all along the North Sea – Friesland – Hamburg.
    The talked distance is not physical. The war zone, Russia, is 800 km east of Berlin and 500 km (?) north or northeast of Vienna.
    The talked distance, physically and mental is wishful thinking.
    The remnants of Germany are supported by 5 million Russian migrants.
    Almost half a million Germans live in Russia.

    The semites – the halvers, the bisectors – like to think up distances, which are physically and mentally not given in order to DIVIDEETIMPERA.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
  18. @Observator

    Probably we need to allow a certain leeway for the irrational in our scheme of things. May be we can have a god/dess who is running this simulation of universe; may be s/he wants this simulation to be a great success…

  19. @Laurent Guyénot

    That is perhaps too much to ask, but Russian Orthodoxy is, at least, more flexible. One reason is that it never traded its neo-Platonic metaphysics for Aristotelianism, and therefore allowed for a symbolic and aesthetic access to truth.

    I really rather doubt that Orthodoxy is that flexible, although to see it head in that direction would be a most welcome development. Hopes for a reformulated Christianity based on neo-Platonic concepts probably lie outside of established churches though.

    Are you familiar with the work of any or all of: Mark Vernon, John Vervaeke and Jonathan Pageau? The last of those falls far short of the intellectual class of the other two, but he’s a reasonably popular Orthodox youtuber who reads “symbolism” into everything (mostly making shit up as he goes, is my impression), and appeals to a crowd that isn’t necessarily Orthodox but is willing to explore the spiritual side of life from a more traditional perspective (rather than a globohomo-loving “new age” perspective). Jordan Peterson saw fit to interview him, a video that has received 1.7 million views.

    Vernon and Vervaeke on the other hand are legitimate intellectual heavyweights. The latter has a 50-episode long “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” youtube series which is of a high enough quality that it has the potential to some day rival the popularity of the Jordan Peterson psychology lecture series (which is how I first discovered JP, well before he was star, just sayin’, lol). Vervaeke’s latest video is entitled “Levels of Intelligibility: Neoplatonism and 4E Cognitive Science,” with the thumbnail reading “Neoplatonism: Ancient but still vital.” I haven’t watched it, but it’s presumably part of his long-running “a religion that is not a religion” project.

    As for Vernon, I am pressed for time, so I’ll just quote from his bio: “I am a psychotherapist and writer, interested in spirituality and inner life. I have a PhD in ancient philosophy, as well as degrees in physics and in theology. My new book is Dante’s Divine Comedy: A Guide for the Spiritual Journey.” He as also written a book called “Spiritual Intelligence.” Indicative of our age, he too is an active youtuber, who has conducted and been the subject of many interesting interviews.

    I agree with pretty much everything you say

    Including his penultimate paragraph? Sigh. I guess this an opportunity for me to practice some of the “flexibility” I wish to see in Orthodoxy. 🙂

  20. Vladimir says:

    Merkel and Hollande admit the west didn’t want to achieve piece in the Donbas through the Minsk Agreements (2014 and 2015). They wanted to give the coup regime in Kiev time to prepare for war. They wanted to help crush ethnic Russians. How can anyone trust western negotiators?

    Sophia
    @les_politiques 15h

    Hollande of France confirms Merkel’s comments that Minsk was a ruse to give Ukraine time to prepare for war.

    Therefore, Putin should have attacked the CLOWN much earlier. Biden regime and the West in gerneral should not be trusted. They are war criminals like the mafia in occupied land.

    • Replies: @Cking
  21. Levtraro says:
    @Observator

    I’m an atheist since I was 12 yr old yet I appreciate the useful role that religion can play in our communities. Most people are not fully rational and that must be accepted with realism and used with skill to guide communities to decency, fertility, hard work, peace and prosperity.

  22. GMC says:

    It all goes back to the same ideology , greed, and insanity that – ” There Can Be Only One” .

  23. It was a thoughtful and interesting article until Guyenot started to get carried away. Like This.

    There is, of course, no Russian plan to conquer Istanbul today. Rather, steps are taken for a long-term constructive relationship between those two civilizations, based on a mutual recognition of their shared Byzantine heritage. As a matter of fact, Erdoğan’s Turkey is slowly but surely moving toward Byzantinism, in the broad sense of a close alliance between state and church. And of course, Iran has been traveling this road since 1979. As for China under Xi Jinping, it is injecting a good dose of neo-Confusianism in its State ideology. The emerging multipolar world order might well turn out a Byzantine mosaic.

    There is no recognition of its “Byzantine heritage” by Turkey, least of all by its government. Important Byzantine archaeological sites are crumbling as a result, and the last Greeks are still being squeezed out of Constantinople. It is not slowly but surely moving towards “Byzantism” : there can be no alliance between state and church for the reason that nearly all Turks are Muslim. Erdogan’s policy has been called “Neo-Ottomanism”. Whether it survives his political demise, time will tell.

    Under the Ottoman Empire, the Emperor was the Caliph, the successor of Mohammed. This continued until as recently as 1924 when the Royal family were exiled and the office abolished by the Turkish state. The Ottoman Caliphate was different in origin and practice from Byzantine “Caesaropapism” – for want of a better word. The two should not be confused or conflated.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Caliphate

    Certainly, Erdogan is much more sympathetic to Islam than his predecessors, but Turkey remains a secular state with some semblence of representative elections. M Guyenot’s claims are overblown.

    As regards Iran, the state is under the control of Shia Islam clerics. The head of state, the Supreme Leader, is by law a cleric, usually an Ayatollah.

    The Supreme Leader of Iran (Persian: رهبر ایران, romanized: rahbar-e irān) is the head of state of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Supreme Leader directs the executive system and judicial system of the Islamic theocratic government and is the commander-in-chief of the Iranian Armed Forces. The Supreme Leader is the highest-ranking political and religious authority of Iran.

    This is not a close alliance between mosque and church. This is not any form of “Caesaropapism”. It seems much nearer to theocracy than any other form of government.

  24. Jim H says:

    “The curse of Israel weighs on Christianity. The atrocities, the Inquisition, the extermination of heretics and infidels, that was Israel.” — Simone Weil, cited by Laurent Guyénot in his March 2022 essay, ‘A Byzantine View of Russia and Europe.’

    ‘In the long run, Christianity is doomed unless it can overcome its own dogmas, and its reverence for the Old Testament (the outrageous notion that Yahweh is God).’ — Laurent Guyénot, comment #6 above

    Jewish-inflected Christianity was imported into Rome from the Romans’ distant, dusty province of Judea.

    How did it infect Constantinople? Inter alia, the epistles of philo-Hellenist Saint Paul were recorded in Greek before being translated into Latin. But the cultural colonization went back several centuries more:

    ‘The Septuagint is the earliest extant Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible from the original Hebrew. The full title derives from the story recorded in the Letter of Aristeas to Philocrates that “the laws of the Jews” were translated into the Greek language at the request of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–247 BCE) by seventy-two Jewish translators—six from each of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.’ — Wikipedia

    Two millennia farther on, Russia’s Slavic-Tatar cultural foundation still reflects the distant imprint of Christianity’s influence on past-its-prime classical Greece.

    Laurent Guyénot does a masterful job of tracing Christianity’s bifurcation after the fall of Rome. But there seems to be a deeper history lurking behind, of an inherited Jewish influence on both the eastern and western branches of Christianity.

    How did it happen that sunbelt, desert-dwelling Judeans turned up in their massive Khazarian numbers in eastern Europe and Russia, spawning Jewish oligarchs who persist in Ukraine and Russia to this day?

    It’s a convoluted history, and as Guyénot alludes, probably has been deliberately falsified at numerous inflection points along the way.

    But the question for Orthodox Christianity (just as for western Catholicism and Protestantism) is whether its misanthropic, Jewish-spawned founding scriptures constitute a fatal, irreparable poisoning of the well — that is, a religious tradition containing an eons-delayed self-destruct button.

    If it does — and if blows up in our faces right now in the Ukraine — Netanyahu and his councilors of Yahweh will laugh their asses off as they smite Abdul Crow, the prototypical Palestinian Untermensch.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  25. @Che Guava

    Hum, I had skipped that part (I often do that with long comments, I must admit). I am happy you bring up the issue. I had once been intrigued by this claim that nuclear weapons are a hoax, when Michael Palmer sent me his book, Hiroshima Revisided: The Evidence that Napalm and Mustard Gaz Helped Fake the Atomic Bombings, which can be read here:
    https://archive.org/details/Hiroshima_revisited/
    The arguments are not easy to dismiss, I remember, and left me really wondering. And the notion that the U.S. faked another thing for the purpose of terrorizing the world into submission does makes sense, of course. Yet, on such highly complex scientific subject, in the absence of support from nuclear scientists, I concluded that the claim is unlikely. But I would be interested to read some serious debunking of it, or other thought on this issue (a critic of Palmer’s book would be welcome)
    Who are you referring to, when you mention that “the same people who claim that nuclear weapons don’t exist … appear to be the same people claiming that just about any major explosion, from Bali to some of 911 and many more, were from ‘mini-nukes’.” I have had a lot of exchanges recently about what brought down the twin towers (nanothermites, underground nuclear device, mini-nukes), and I feel that the two first possibilities don’t fit the facts, so I must remain an agnostic so far.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  26. @Poupon Marx

    The forgetting of the Mysterium Tremendum, your creator is the source of destruction. Enough of impotent and barren “Isms” and a little more knowing and contemplation of God. I am not talking religion and heresy, I am talking a soul’s connection with its Creator.
    Tether or drift into the oblivion.

  27. @silviosilver

    Including his penultimate paragraph?

    No (see my previous comment)

  28. @Verymuchalive

    This is not a close alliance between mosque and church.

    Ouch. Typo.That should be mosque and state. The mosque is telling the state what to do. No agreement between the two is necessary.

  29. @Verymuchalive

    Thanks for correcting me on these points. About Turkey, of course I meant a Muslim version of Byzantinism, but I readily admit my ignorance on the subject. As for Iran, I think you are right. Islamic States cannot, anyway, be compared with Christendom, for Islam is inherently political. It’s complicated, and I my hasty remark was perhaps a poor choice for a conclusion.

  30. Thanks to LG for his interest in Russian thought. Sadly, the samples of it that he found, are quite feeble for a philosophy meant to counter the Western Europes.

    To put it simply, these Russian thinkers of Tsars times , like Illyin and Berdyaev and their ilk, are all stupid. Russian writers like Dostoyevsky are much more successful because they did not work consciously, but the language and the culture worked through them (cf. Brodskys text on Dostoevsky).

    Yes. Yet there is something to thus Bysantism, as Turkey and Iran are culturally similar to Russia in some respects. Who would rather have kebab from a mangal and tea from a samovar on a picnic, surrounded by friends and family? A turk or a russian paterfamilae.

  31. Wokechoke says:
    @PolPhil

    Instead of British think Hanoverian Monarchs and their bagman Rothschild. She was a German aristocrat after all.

    But I digress. Catherine appears to have gone native as Ekaterine. Or even Yekaterin. She threw in with Potemkin, Orlov Bros. etc. All the dashing Cavalrymen and Guards.

    Tzar Paul, her son, was killed by the British. Alexander his son was friendly enough with the English most of the time.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
    , @Seraphim
  32. Thanks Mr. Guyenot for another intelligent and educational article.

    Btw, am sure that you’re aware of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s book, “Under the Rubble.”

    Includes essays by his fellow dissident colleagues, A B. Shafarevich, Mikhail Agursky, Evgeny Barabanov, Vadim Borisov, and F. Korsakov. Btw, included is a profound essay on nationalism, by the late-Solzhenitsyn which I read and still read, time to time.

    A happy and blessed New Year!

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  33. @Che Guava

    Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki evacuated following the bombings? I get the impression that people have been living there continuosly since that time, rather strange considering that the Japanese are very health conscious and concerned about even minor cases of pollution. Chernobyl, on the other hand, has been deserted since the nuclear accident.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Avery
  34. @Kurt Knispel

    Protestant Germans are traditionally welcome in Russia, and sort of complimentary there. They will not be hated or despised, as a rule. But German culture is not the same as Russian culture.

    Also, certain kind of German, that is south or Austrian catholic, is an enemy to Russia proper which traditionally knows more of Protestant folks. Austrians are the ukrainizators.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
  35. Cking says:
    @Vladimir

    What are the objectives of the Ukraine crisis? Do we have a giant psyop running us crazy? The Democrats were always in bed with the Russians. How many Soviet Russian agents were supported by the WWII, FDR Administration? Humphrey and Mondale were purportedly ‘Party’ members in a region of the country where Labor was abused and were informed by organized Communism. That’s our political and societal history too.

    Israel moves to create Great Israel in the Ukraine and Russia conveniently liquidates the billionaires’ nazi battalions; who could possibly benefit? After it all shakes out, we should see that the state of Israel is fragile, in a precarious position on the Middle East, depending not only on the United States but on Russia’s benevolence and patience as well. War with Russia is just not feasible, we may see East and West Ukraine along the Dnieper.

  36. FredF says:

    The Interrogation of Nikolai Berdyaev: A Play in One Act https://a.co/d/gyF0uzY

  37. Che Guava says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Thank you for the reply, but

    i. why do all witness accounts report a single B-29 over both Hiroshima and Nagasaki? This is the biggest lie of ‘no atomic weapon’ liars, also both aircraft were at their limit altitudes, because Japan still possibly had a little capacity to hit them by rocket planes.

    Enola Gay, over Hiroshima, I forget the name of the one that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki, but its initial target was Kokura, ‘to the west, only reason the target was changed was cloud and rain over Kokura, so Nagasaki was chosen as the secondary target. This was only so they would be able to get good photos of the bomb and immediate aftereffects.

    ii. why no witness reports of mustard gas? The effects are very different from radiation poisoning and choking from gas from fires.

    Both places, many cases of radiation poisoning, in Hiroshima in particular, the U.S. military took much film of the victims, I have seen the film from that time, it was broadcast on state T.V. here in Japan at the time of release.

    iii. Many later victims of radiation sickness.

    More.

    I am coming to think that you, M. Guyenot, haven’t a serious thought in your head, only saying things that make sense at times, also believing any nonsense any time.

  38. anonymous[443] • Disclaimer says:

    “There is, of course, no Russian plan to conquer Istanbul today.”

    It’s a pity because the Russian planes on their return from bombing the neocons of Tel Aviv, could drop their remaining load on the Sultan of the Topkapi Palace which would kill two buzzards with one stone!

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  39. Che Guava says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Good question. People still alive moved away from the centres of both as much as they could, but there wasn’t much to help or guide at the time. Polity was disorganised, few police or soldiers to help. Accounts I’ve read and seen depicted, mainly to find family or old family friends. Don’t forget that Kokura was flat, much military, Nagasaki, hilly, not so much, so many of the survivors were able to escape to places outside the bowl where Little Boy hit. Many deaths from radiation poisoning or irradiation, but fewer than from Fat Man in Hiroshima, simply because of the shape of the land.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  40. During the Crimean War (1853-1856), Russians were shocked to find Catholic and Protestant powers allying with the Muslim Empire against Christian Russia.

    When you were in school did they ever teach you about the 4th crusade?

    Venetian fleet decided to demolish Constantinople on the way to Palestine. It’s unclear whether the pope knew what was going to happen before he blessed them as they departed. Sometimes the popes in those days were partisan and not completely in the bag to Venice.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  41. Mike-SMO says:

    The header photo of Putin and the Churchman captures why President Zelensky cut off the Russian Orthodox Church. Nothing functions in Putin’s Russia unless Putin has a way to control it. The Ukrainians were not likely to allow a de-facto branch of the KGB to be operating in their midst. There are other branches of the Orthodox community that are not dependent on close contacts with Putin. The old Bolsheviks hated religion in all its forms. Putin only hates what he can’t control. Freely operating Chaplains, like capable Noncoms, are a danger to Putin’s control. They can’t be tolerated.

    I’d bet that the Ukrainian government listened to the reports of the Orthodox churchmen to Moscow. Intel is a big part of this game.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  42. @Laurent Guyénot

    Although I am not a member of them, I strongly suspect (know) that this desire for a spiritual foundation of our activity is to be found in the great work of Scientology by L. Ron Hubbard.

    It would appear, like with all bodies of religious knowledge that the establishment corrupts, and much could be said about Hubbard’s personal character and style, but the work itself – at least the advanced material – is superb.

    My knowledge of it is limited. About 25 years ago I was living in a European city that had a strong Scientology presence. I was talked, off the street, into doing a couple of very introductory courses: one on the basics of communication, and another on the principles of auditing. The effects of these courses (albeit only temporary) on my mental processing was incredible. I had to leave the country shortly thereafter with my company so unfortunately nothing further came of this.

    I note here that there has been of late a spate of ‘leavers’ from Scientology always keen to tell their tales of woe. But one thing always absent is what was it precisely that kept them for so long. I can can honestly say that it must have been this material, this data. Whereas the normal human is reluctant to confront the contents of his own mind, still less be confronted with it by others, the Scientologist by contrast relishes this and submits to a process of auditing; a kind of investigative psychological probing designed to delve ever deeper into motive and encounter going ever further back in time.

    I do remember always going into the centre early (and leaving late) so that I could borrow their advanced material. Huge 20, 30, 50-tape pack series of lectures on spirits, real earth history, spiritual improvement etc. were quite literally the greatest thing I have ever encountered, and probably ever will. They had titles such as ‘the Pheonix Lectures’, ‘the Philadelphia Series’, ‘the Saint Hill Special Briefings’, ‘Exteriorization and the Phenomenon of Space’. I used to listen to them all, all night, then return them in the morning. Don’t tell anyone!

    I can assure you without a shadow of doubt that they are absolutely fantastic!

    Its cute that ‘western civilisation’ may attempt to throw off its Judaisation by dabbling in pagan themes and values: Odin, Wotan, misseltoe kissing and Druidry etc., but this will never be any real use now. The material of advanced Scientology needs to be in the hands (and minds) of an intelligent Western public.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  43. Just a quick note of thanks, Laurent Guyénot, for this impressive essay.

    And to wish you Happy New Year 2023.

  44. @geokat62

    I didn’t want to quibble, but since you started it, another minor slip is the Congress of Berlin was 1878, not 1885.

  45. Wokechoke says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Imperial Russian fleet sank everything the Turks had at Sinope with zero cost as they’d used exploding fused shells instead of solid shot. This naturally got the attention of the Now obsolete Royal Navy. The Imperial Russian Army was also getting awfully close to Constantinople over the Danube. This made the French alarmed. Real Politik overrides religion.

    • Replies: @Davy Crockit
  46. Jamali says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I suggest to people who are ignorant about Iran’s leaders, not copy and paste from ‘wikipedia’.

    Mr. Khamenei, before being a religious leader, is a SMART geopolitical strategist unique in the history of Iran and the world. As Escobar writes in his piece, “Rest in Peace JCPOA”, at this site, ” Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, a smart geopolitical strategist saw through it from the start: never trust the Americans”. Khamenei has made Putin his ALLY in this regard. To understand what the Iranian leader, Khamenei, is saying you should read his speeches and his analysis of the World political affairs especially in relation to Iran and the region, before coming to your conclusion. It was Soleimani and Khamenei who designed and implemented Iran’s strategy the region where prevented Oded Yinon to be successful.
    The problem with the westerners, is that you judge people according to their outfits. Why does Putin with a western suit and a tie, find a valuable strategist as an ally in Iran and learn from, and you cannot. Putin respects both Soleimani, who was assassinated by a criminal zionist stooge, and Khamenei as a strategist’s ally.

  47. @Wokechoke

    I know of Paul, that one is somewhat “famous,” but the Catherine claim is the curious one for me because of only seeing it once and never again. If I remember correctly, it was an academic source with documentation (supposedly). If there is anything to it, it would be a Rothschild involved I imagine.

  48. @Observator

    Mr Observator, the extinction of self is terrifying to all, barred none, you included. What lies on the other side will always be a mystery.
    But we have some clues and can guess. Evolution is not as cut and dried as made to believe. For instance the evolution of eyes has some sudden developments that cannot be accounted for.
    The way this whole ole world works is on wishes and desires. I think when Oil dries up, we will be using some other source.
    We have a benevolent power ruling this universe and ethical behavior is expected of us.
    Sounds loony? so be it.

  49. @Mike-SMO

    Why have they both not shut down Chabad? Which operates in both nations and has the ear of both leaders and their advisors, either directly or through buffers.

  50. skrik says:
    @Observator

    we can’t seem to outgrow our suicidal attraction to the irrational

    Just who’s “we,” paleface?

    It’s not at all suicidal but certainly irrational: The ‘fatal attraction’ is the ‘promised’ possibility of ‘life after death.’

    “Believe in this imagined deity, get eternal life.”

    Yes, all such religions really are that idiotic. rgds

  51. Agent76 says:

    Sept 9th, 2021 PUTIN: LENIN WAS NOT A STATESMAN, HE WAS A BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTIONARY WHO MADE ANTI-RUSSIAN MISTAKES



    Video Link

  52. Putin and Russia are the only ones in the world standing against the satanic , demonic, zionist new world order, one world government and are the defenders of Christians everywhere.

    God bless Putin and Russia.

  53. @Laurent Guyénot

    “Islam is inherently political”

    Is it though? It seems to be a modern phenomena that started in the 19th century with pan-Islamic thought and such from reformers. Political Islam, I have gathered, was a response to modernity and questions of authenticity, and more nefarious Anglo-Jewish intrigue/activity. Even the very contemporary “Wilayat al-Faqih” doctrine of Shi’i Islam, which the government of Iran is based on, is considered a radical departure from traditional Shi’i doctrine and is new–a particular political theology carried to the end of the spectrum.

  54. Eudion2 says:
    @Observator

    we can’t seem to outgrow our suicidal attraction to the irrational.

    There is no ‘rational’ reason to exist. The universe is just a bag of atoms and assigns no moral judgment on whether to pull the trigger or not, or whether the barrel is pointed at oneself or an innocent child.

    Thus humans, who are genetically programmed by evolution to possess a will to live and abhor the inevitability of death, seek purpose in the nonrational. They refer to the nonrational as ‘super-rational’ while you refer to it as ‘irrational.’ That is your prerogative, but the universe does not care either way.

    However, in the end they will build great cathedrals and sing hymns in reverent awe while you will silently contemplate pulling the trigger with the barrel pointed at your head.

  55. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    Christians are the Satanic world order, douchenozzle. Wake up your Christ has horns and a cloven hoove, he is the devil of the original Eurasian faith.

    Yeah you Christians face a fiery day in hell, for sure… For your cowardice and stupidity. That’s why the true God is smiting your children in Ukraine.

  56. @Che Guava

    Did I write an article about nuclear bombs? No. Did I claim I have a clear understanding of that topic? Never. I just declared the opposite. Did I say I believed in the nuclear hoax? No! Then what nonsense do you claim I believe in? Please tell me.

    • LOL: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Che Guava
  57. Avery says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t know if people were evacuated or not.
    Doesn’t matter.

    When the atomic bombs exploded, nobody — outside of a very select group of nuclear scientists/physicists — knew about radiation. You can’t see it, you can’t smell it, you can’t feel it, and it takes highly specialized equipment to detect it.

    I highly doubt Japanese authorities knew there was radiation danger in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
    All people would surmise was that a very powerful bomb had gone off.
    Once the bombs explode — like after a conventional bombing raid — it is safe to move back.
    So the fact that Japanese are very health conscious does not apply here: they simply did not know.
    And didn’t large numbers of Japanese from Nagasaki and Hiroshima die of radiation related illnesses several years after the explosions?

    At the time of Chernobyl radiation was a well recognized danger.
    In fact soldiers rushed (or were sent) to Chernobyl without protective gear or radiation detectors knowing full well that they will be killed eventually.

    In the same vein, Japanese seniors volunteered for Fukushima cleanup, knowing they’d likely die.
    They did it to spare young soldiers’ lives.

    [Japanese seniors volunteer for Fukushima ‘suicide corps’]
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/31/japan.nuclear.suicide/index.html

  58. Avery says:
    @Avery

    https://radiation.thesocialselect.com/how-long-will-the-radiation-last-in-hiroshima/

    [Is there still radiation at Hiroshima?
    Is there still radiation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The radiation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today is on a par with the extremely low levels of background radiation (natural radioactivity) present anywhere on Earth. It has no effect on human bodies.]

  59. @Laurent Guyénot

    That is perhaps too much to ask, but Russian Orthodoxy is, at least, more flexible. One reason is that it never traded its neo-Platonic metaphysics for Aristotelianism, and therefore allowed for a symbolic and aesthetic access to truth.

    It seems you have little direct experience with Russian Eastern Orthodoxy. Evolving slightly due to Russia being an Eurasian country, the Mystical God is the conception for Orthodoxy in general. This has been influence by osmosis from the Eastern religions. There is far less of the anthropomorphic retrograde nature, as found in all Western Christianity.

    From this perspective of characteristic, the relationship and commonality of Buddhism and Jung’s Collective Consciousness is brought in closer affinity and actuality. I only say here that there is an overlap, but I do not quantify it.

    As far as faith and Consciousness go, I feel you are in-between, in the margins in the neutral zone. I encourage you to explore and study Gautama Buddha and his teachings.
    Buddha, first and last, was a scientist. As he said, all his beliefs were derived and developed by observation and the corresponding cognitive processes that would be involved. Part of his wisdom lay in knowing where the Physical World bordered, and the Real World began.

  60. @Avery

    And didn’t large numbers of Japanese from Nagasaki and Hiroshima die of radiation related illnesses several years after the explosions?

    Why are you asking such a simplistic question here? Do you want someone to take 5 seconds to find an answer and tell you? Are you that lazy?

    And what is with the CNN reference? Are you that naive and callow to believe that someone who has been caught lying enumerable times, will tell the truth this once?

  61. I just recently had a talk to a black girl who is bisexual. She actually thinks 50% of the people are gay or bi. She really thinks this is the percentage, not some weird belief or ideology.

    IMHO. Religion has no place in 2023 or beyond. But it is still a hell of alot better than the sexual deviancy promoted by the super left the last 10 years.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @HbutnotG
  62. @Desert Fox

    Incontrovertible truths. Must see:

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  63. @Psychotic Break

    As they say on the internet the user name sure fits.

    Hubbard cribbed all the good stuff from Crowley. For some odd definition of good. The endpoint here is invariably contradiction. It is a recipe with every single thing on planet earth thrown in there to begin with. It is easy as duck soup to create a new religion. Put every tenet of every known religion on a separate playing card, shuffle the deck, and deal yourself a hand of 10 or 12 cards.

    The saving grace of religious marketing is it does not have to make sense. It is when you get to cases and real world application you are going to have big problems.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  64. gT says:

    Excellent article, I had no idea that pan-Slavism existed before Dugin, but always thought the idea was crazy as, for example, the Bulgarian Slavs betray Russia all the time. The idea that the West is out to destroy Russia certainly has been there for a very long time, since the sack of Constantinople, when the West saw gold and silver in stupendous amounts for the first time. Then it took the West a few hundred years before they saw stupendous amounts of gold and silver from the new world and other colonialized regions again. Now the West has to open Russia up for exploitation (capitalism) or the West will collapse.

    And talking of the Ottomans, they can’t be trusted at all, but for the time being a peace can exist between Russia and NATO Turkey I guess.

    What is interesting though is that the Ukrainians think they can take on Russia, the Poles think they can take on Russia, the Ottomans (Turks) think they can take on Russia (Turkey shooting down that Russian military plane in Syria), etc. How do so many get such incomprehensible ideas into their heads? Greater people than them, the French and Germans, couldn’t take on Russia, yet these small fry think they can do the job. Its like there is a madness epidemic happening out there, many want to commit suicide by throwing themselves at Russian artillery. And the Ukrainians and Poles are Slavs, the Turkish Turks, with those 2 ethnicities having been part of the Russian world since forever, except for the Asia minor geographic part of the Turk realm that is (but thats only because Britain and France stopped Russia from sorting out the Ottomans in the Crimean war).

    Come to think of it, has any country ever faced such concerted effort to destroy it over so long as Russia has? Russia’s neo-Byzantinism, Russia’s Orthodoxy, simply refuses to change with the times or under pressure, it just wants to be the way it is. Muslims might think that they cannot change, but Muslims die easy, just look at Libya or Iraq. Russia on the other hand can’t change and really dies hard. (Afghanistan doesn’t count, just think what would have happened if someone like a Stalin or a Genghis Khan was in charge of war against Afghanistan, its a no brainer).

  65. @Anonymous

    Re: Whereas in the actual world, three prominent worldviews interact: realists, think Machiavelli; legalists, think Grotius; and revolutionaries, think Kant. Russia is using Kantian perpetual peace and Grotian rule of law to demolish US realist criminality.” – Anonymous 438 Disclaimer

    I agree that neo-con controlled US is guided by “realist criminality” (from unnamable outside forces but legitimated by US evangelical christian religion from inside) but Machiavelli was not the Realist you refer to. He despised the Medici-controlled Papacy, but he placed religious leaders at the top of the pyramid of leaders (Moses). He wrote three sermons : On Ambition, On Thanksgiving and On Fortune. Machiavelli believed betrayal was the greatest sin:

    “One can-not call it virtue to kill one’s fellow citizens, to betray one’s friends, to be without faith, without compassion, without religion”.

    And Machiavelli never singularly wrote that “the ends justify the means”. The last part of this paragraph is always left out, to wit, “the ends justify the means BUT ONLY IN AN EMERGENCY”, which Machiavelli went on to describe emergencies as war, insurrection, corruption and immorality. Machiavelli also derided the abuse of public spectacles to control the people (mainly public executions, manipulated shock and awe). Machiavelli was a consequentialist, but that doesn’t make him evil or irreligious. The central virtue he extolled for leaders was nationalism or patriotism.

    Which leads us to ask: who then created Machiavellianism as the ethic of pure irreligious power? Think Leo Strauss – the ideational leader of the pack of American neo-con Machiavellians. Of course, Hollywood movies, novels written by such as Herman Wouk, Nabakov, Salinger, Bellow, etc., and, of course, revolutionist Saul Alinsky, also influenced the culture and political culture.

    • Thanks: Cking
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  66. @Astuteobservor II

    I spent the holidays in the deep south where there are three churches on every corner…..and all of the people were polite and nice (including the blacks)

    Trendy to crap on the Christian religion (and this is what the jews want you to do) but the fear of God really IS the beginning of wisdom.

    Liberalism is a cover for the naked self interest of the jews, and they brainwash every non-white
    (and white) they can get their hands on.

    • Agree: Thim
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Liosnagcat
  67. @Emil Nikola Richard

    That’s good, thanks.

    Why the need for the initial personal attack? It is fatuous and completely unnecessary, isn’t it?

    I just give here useful data. You of course do as you like with it. If it was as you describe it, I would have readily said so.

    As for the material, perhaps when you have read it all, as I have, you will be in a much better position to be so casually dismissive about something you evidently know absolutely nothing presently and about which you are wholly unspecific here.

    Good luck.

  68. @Anonymous

    The essential “civilized” conceit amply illustrated in this article and commentary, is that what is really happening here is “History.” The easily observable (by those with eyes to see) Natural Fact is that what is actually happening here in Earth’s Living Arrangement is just Basic Biology. The primacy of lived experience (needing no conceptual interpretation for its import to be available to those living it), over the elaborate phantasms of make-believe characterizing the collapsing artificial wave form carrying the death-cult delusion, is beginning more-and-more to impress its Natural Imperatives upon the perceptions of the captive peoples, redirecting their precious attention back to where they are actually living and breathing every Day….where it is much more beneficially spent.

    The people of The Book, long lost in a morass of made-up abstractions, are here now at THE END of Days being read The Riot Act by Her Whole Living Arrangement. Us Free Wild Peoples of all Kinds have enjoyed as much as we can stand of their congenital ignorance and rampant insanity….and the waste-worshipping behavior those fatal flaws induce in them.

    What follows the imminent collapse of the shadow world will not be more of the same old ego-centric “designer” constructs. It will simply grow up instead organically out of the wreckage and detritus of “civilization”….doing what comes Naturally. After all, it’s only what we were All doing here anyhow….before we were so rudely interrupted by the crazy spreaders of the Planet-wasting “civilization” disease….and the organically-crippling “self” sickness that has kept its domesticated Human sufferers so full of paralyzing fear.

    The Heart Song and Mating Dance of Life Herownself and Love Hisownself are not about to be “cancelled” by the pitiful machinations of a bunch of know-nothings convinced they’ve got a “Better Idea.” Besides, way smarter ones than these have already taken a number of runs at it. All have failed miserably.

  69. @Poupon Marx

    Agree, the zionists are in bed with the nazis just as they were in WWII, Hitler was a queer just like Zelensky as were most of the upper nazis and upper zionists and so the war in the Ukraine is a war of the zionist and nazi queers against Russia, this is a war against perversion by Russia and Russia will prevail.

    The alliance of nazis and zionists in the Ukraine puts the lie to the jewish holocaust of 6 million, ironic that a zionist coup in the Ukraine has led to this exposure of the holocaust.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  70. @Che Guava

    Reply to Che Guava challenging Guyenot’s skepticism about nuclear bombs:

    Here is a link to a list of medical conditions similar to radiation sickness:

    https://www.stlukes-stl.com/health-content/medicine/33/000501.htm

    The similarity of what is being called COVID-19 to other maladies, including scurvy and niacin deficiencies, coupled with co-morbidities, is also interesting.

    What medical conditions are also produced from long lockdowns, mask wearing, injections of microscopic metallic substances, fear, etc? There appears to be little difference between Flu, COVID-19 and SEPSIS, as they may be a continuum, for example.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  71. While US and it’s satellite proxy’s celebrate GlobalHomo, tearing down historical statures of its framers, submitting to Zionist controlled measures and endless wars, Russia’s Putin issues initiatives to have dead Russian patriots bodies repatriated back to Russia.

    US trades gun runners for black lesbian pot heads who hate white Americans.

    Go figure…..

  72. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Trendy to crap on the Christian religion (and this is what the jews want you to do) but the fear of God really IS the beginning of wisdom.

    Nah the Jews are very pro-Christian as Christians have proven to be their most reliable draft animal.

    Also, imagine billing yourself as some kind of “Western philosopher” and then uttering this amazing bit of Eastern stupidity:

    the fear of God really IS the beginning of wisdom.

    Give yourself a pat on the back you stupid motherfucker, you just said fear is a way to wisdom. Fear of something that isn’t even real.

    That makes you no different from the black people you hate.

    • Replies: @Liosnagcat
  73. JimDandy says:
    @Priss Factor

    What are some modern fascist regimes that thrived and stood for a meaningful period of time? It seems like fascist powers seem to revolve around charismatic individuals.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  74. @Observator

    Interesting your comparison between the soul’s breath of life and vodka. But those trees bear strikingly different fruit, no? Perhaps you’d like to offer some enlightening examples of socio-political orders based on pure reason. (I’m only coming up with the French and Bolshevik reigns of terror but you must have more appealing examples in mind.)

  75. @Desert Fox

    You ain’t wrong, My Friend. It’s a gallery of perverts.

  76. Thanks for the terrific essay. Russian civilization is a remarkable phenomenon. I’ve been an amateur student of its history and culture since high school in the 1960s.

    Not contradicting Guyenot, just adding for enrichment, Moscow’s view of itself as the third Rome: Rome, Constantinople, Moscow. Caesar = Tsar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  77. I enjoyed watching the film “The fall of an Empire: the Lesson of Byzantium.” It’s portrayal of the West seemed a bit cartoonish at points (what’s with that guy in the cape and the long-beaked plague mask coming back again and again) but my ignorance of Byzantine history is so great I couldn’t help but learn a few things, not least: getting some perspective on the Russian view of history. So thanks!

    But I’d really like to learn more about this view that “the West’s vengeful hatred for Byzantium and her successors … goes to some deep genetic level” (1:06:35)! Is he talking about the Jews? Was Father Tikhon Shevkunov getting all bioleninist in 2008? Did I misunderstand? (Was it mistranslated?)

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  78. @Anonymous

    “Where’s Joly West when you need him?”

    Still cooling his heels in purgatory.

  79. @JimDandy

    What are some modern fascist regimes that thrived and stood for a meaningful period of time?

    Franco failed because he was a reactionary, not a fascist. His order was one of enervation, not inspiration. After he died, the whole thing vanished.

    Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Germany lost militarily, not ideologically. Communism collapsed in peacetime; it lost ideologically.

    Germany lost WWII because it was outmatched in manpower and materials. If National Socialist Germany had the manpower and materials of USSR or US, it would have won.

    Fascism needs charismatic figures but must avoid the blind cult of personality, which plagued Italy and Germany. Mussolini’s god-man act was BS. German submission to Hitler’s will was dangerous.
    That’s why we need NEO-fascism that fixes the bugs of the first fascism that ended in tragedy.

    Also, neo-fascism awakens us to the fact that everything is about power. US is really a gangster-fascist power ruled by Jewish Master Racists.
    We need to counter that we national humanist fascism that understands the true nature of power and uses it for the patriots.

  80. @Avery

    Indeed there was less awareness about radiation hazards among the public at the time, so thanks for reminding me, and radioactive substances were used in consumer products (watches, cosmetics, toothpaste, cigarettes, chocolate bars, medicinal products, condoms – so they glow but damn your dick could fall off years down the line, he, he).

    https://gizmodo.com/seriously-scary-radioactive-consumer-products-from-the-498044380

    Still I would have thought the expert were aware of the hazards as many of the scientists working with radiation got sick and died of the consequences. Then, on the other hand, although dangerous, radiation may not be as dangerous as imagined given that people in the past widely consumed radioactive products. Consider the present day concerns over radon in buildings which would be miniscule compared to what people would have inhaled and ingested in the past from those radioactive consumer products.

    Around Chernobyl there is an exclusion zone.

    I was thinking that Hiroshima and Nagasaki could have been bombed with dirty bombs and napalm but I’m not so sure as Che says only single airplanes were spotted.

    Che questions how some commenters can both accept and deny nuclear weapons. It is possible to accept the reality of nuclear weapons while denying that they were used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So they could have been used on 911 and some other instances, but any radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have resulted from dirty bombs.

    • Replies: @Avery
  81. Russians support Jewish-created (((Christianity))).

    Another reason to hate those Hapa communists.

    Communism and Christianity were both invented by the Jew.

    • Troll: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Wayne Lusvardi
  82. @Desert Fox

    Detail and delineation of the legalities and legitimacy of the liberation of Donbass.

  83. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Realizing that all Russian efforts to befriend Europe were met with deception or rejection, Danilevskii called his fellow citizens to admit that Europe and Russia were fundamentally foreign to each other:

    My God, save me from naiveté! The world is built of conflicting interests and fundamentally incompatible goals, value systems, religions, . . .

    Look at the obvious. Europe won’t befriend Europe. Refusal of Europe to trust Europeans is why the US has run Europe for 75 years without serious opposition — after 1914-1946 the Europeans don’t trust themselves to co-exist on the same continent, and want barbarians in control as a sort of solution [1].

    There is a book, Alexi Yurchak, _Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More_, about what the USSR’s fall looked like to T. C. Mits, the common man in the street. It contains a chapter about “the mythical West”. Apparently, the average Soviet citizen in the 1980s thought of the West in about the same way that Americans did at the time — a prosperous system that wanted to include the entire world in its prosperity.
    The chapter is entitled “The Imaginary West: The Elsewhere of Late Socialism”. Looking back from 2023, it’s plain that the West of 1980 was nothing like a prosperous system that wanted to include the entire world in its prosperity, and the Imaginary West was really just another human construct, albeit unusually successful. As unz.com makes clear, the West since WW II has contained many elements, and it was interested in spreading prosperity (which it did) because that was the only way it could defeat the USSR. After the USSR’s fall in 1990, the West revealed itself to be even more false to its ostensible ideology than had been the Soviet nomenklatura.

    We’re seeing, right now, the US retreat from Empire. Empire was responsible for the triumph of central government in the US, but the US is shedding its Empire as rapidly as it can, considering the immense weight of the Imperial administration and enforcement (Intel guys, DoD, the support industry for both, the urban areas that live only from what amounts to its share of Imperial tribute, the Swamp that has used Imperial tribute to freeze US politics into a parody of its 1970s form). The US Empire is maintained, in fact, by the descendants of the 1940s generation, but those descendants are less than half the US population now, their population fraction is decreasing, and with the loss of the Boomers the number of educated (as opposed to credentialed) technical people is dropping like a rock in the Alps.
    Militarily, you can think of the 71% ineligibility of high school students [1] as analogous to Romans cutting off their kids’ sword hand thumb to avoid military service after the second Roman civil War (the war that Octavian won). Multi-generation military families kept DoD going up to Obama’s second term, but they are now advising their kids not to join the military, which appears to be in transition to a regime protection force. The important point is that lack of military manpower is not considered important to the US, and this is because the US wants to shed its Empire.

    Too full already is the grave
    Of fellows that were good and brave
    And died because they were. [2]

    Or ended up homeless or unemployable after spending their first 20 years in the Army. Or found their jobs gone overseas or not hiring Whites “because the Empire says so”.

    Historically, the West won because of its “internal competitiveness” and by a stroke of luck in adopting Thomism and thus eventually inventing the experimental methods upon which 2023 science and engineering is based. This same strength killed or paralyzed the West when WW I and WW II turned out to be like calling in a napalm strike on a boxing match (Kills the boxer, the referee, and kills/scars/terrifies the audience).

    But that trauma doesn’t make anything Western sympathetic to anything anywhere, including itself [4]. You can see that on unz.com also. The West is just as self-interested as any other place on Earth [5].

    Bottom line: Both Heaven and Hell have absolute governments. Neither is ruled by a human. Humans, all humans, are somewhere in between. Utopia is nowhere, and _To Serve Mankind_ is a cookbook. Just do the best with what you have, trust nobody absolutely, and “don’t go mistaking paradise for that home across the road”.

    ***********************************************************************

    [MORE]

    1] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51294/waiting-for-the-barbarians In real life, of course, the barbarians did come.
    2] “XXXVIII”, https://www.theotherpages.org/poems/housman1.html
    4] https://www.thoughtco.com/us-youth-ineligible-for-military-service-3322428
    3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/01/buddhist-monks-drug-tests-thailand-temple/ Obviously, these were a bunch of key monks.
    5] The West has been asset stripping its key institutions since the end of WW II. Much as in any Empire (obvious example: Imperial Spain), Imperial tribute is used as a lever to loot domestic enterprises.

  84. Shamu says:
    @YesXorNo

    He has weaknesses in this article, which even I, a Russophile for literary reasons, can spot. Take this for a major example:

    “Russia’s traditional attachment to Byzantinism has much to do with her sense of mission to collect and save the heritage of the Eastern Roman Empire assassinated by the international brigades of the Pope under the pretext of liberating the East from Islam, when the Frankish crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1205.”

    Guyenot is repeating the old Russian/Eastern Orthodox line, which is at best a feel-good falsification of those very complex events. There were never any ‘brigades of the Pope’ out to destroy Byzantium. The sacking of Constantinople by Crusaders from Western Europe in 1205 came because those Crusaders were trying to have Byzantine sippers take them to Palestine. They found themselves, upon arrival in Constantinople, in the midst of a coup, or perhaps a rebellion is a more apt description. The Byzantine royal family was feuding over succession, and the Crusaders, inevitably, got caught up in it because there would be no ships to take them until the matter was settled.

    Constantinople did NOT fall to the Ottoman Turks more than 200 years after those events because of Franks or any other Western Europeans.

    Both West and East, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, believe falsehoods and react foolishly, childishly in terms of the split between the two Roman Empire derived parts of Christendom.

  85. Shamu says:
    @Priss Factor

    Germany lost World War II primarily because Hitker and most of his key advisors believed all that Superior Germanic Race stuff, which meant they would stupidly act on all the hatred of Spavs as inherently inferior to try to fight that 2 front war. It also was the reason that Hitler allowed the British Expeditionary Force to escape from Dunkirk: he was signaling Germanic brotherhood to Anglo-Saxons.

    If the Nazi movement/ideology did not feature that near worship of Germanic blood and unrelenting denigration of Slavic blood, the Nazis rather easily could have won over all Western Europe and kept it.

    • Disagree: Malla
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Malla
  86. @Avery

    Sir Frederick Warner, who edited a study on “The Environmental Effects of Nuclear War” in the 1980s, also led a group of ageing scientists into Chernobyl exclusion zone following the disaster claiming that due to their age it wouldn’t matter much. Still he lived to be just over 100.

    • Thanks: Avery
  87. Sarita says:

    “There is something irresistibly attractive in Russia’s defense of traditional and religious values”

    Pffff….
    What’s so irresistible about killing civilians and children?

    “The Syrian regime under dictator Bashar Al-Assad and its allies Iran and Russia are responsible for around 91 percent of civilian deaths during the country’s decade-long civil war”.

    Number of deaths: 600.000.
    TIME FOR PUTIN, ASSAD KHAMENEY,AND NASRALLAH TO HANG.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  88. @RedpilledAF

    You are perhaps judging actual thoughts of people based on what they say and pantomime in public. Remember the Godfather I? What people say and what they believe can be quite different, especially for the political class. In fact, many times this is a psyop and deception.

  89. Avery says:
    @Commentator Mike

    { so they glow but damn your dick could fall off years down the line, he, he).}

    Or……if you are lucky, you will sport a permanent Hard-On, and die happily having endless sex with hundreds of beauties…..he, he, he….

    On a serious note, I find it hard to believe that nuclear weapons don’t exist.
    To me it would be too hard to fake all those videos of test explosions.
    Long before CGI even existed.
    And all the countries which posses nukes had to agree to fool the rest of the world that nukes exist, and only they have it.

    You know, US and USSR working together to fake it.
    Or US and N. Korea working together to fake it.
    Not plausible.

    But to me the one undeniable proof that nukes exist is that if Russia didn’t have real, actual, devastating nukes, US/NATO would have started carpet bombing Russian* cities as soon as the SMO began. US/NATO cannot possibly best Russia in a land war inside Russia, but the US Air Force together with NATO air forces can eventually overwhelm Russian air defenses, no matter how excellent Russian air defenses are.

    And the only reason they don’t is that US/NATO fear nuclear annihilation.

    _______________________
    *Or Soviet Cities back in the day.

    The story is that as US was being humiliated in Viet Nam (aided by USSR), there was talk of using nukes against Hanoi, but cooler heads pointed out that USSR would then drop nukes on Saigon and …….

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  90. Just dug up this from the Russian press: fontanka.ru

    What awaits the world in 2023
    12/26/2022 Author DMITRY MEDVEDEV

    Before the new year, everyone likes to make predictions. Many exercise in futuristic hypotheses, competing in the proposal of the most unexpected and even absurd. We will also do our part.

    What could happen in 2023:

    1. Increasing oil prices to $150 per barrel and gas prices to $5,000 per 1,000 cubic meters.

    2. The return of the UK to the European Union.

    3. The collapse of the European Union after the return of the UK and the abolition of the circulation of the euro as the currency of the former EU.

    4. Capture by Poland and Hungary of the western regions of the former Ukraine.

    5. The creation of the Fourth Reich on the basis of Germany and the satellites that joined it (Poland, the Baltic countries, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, the Kyiv Republic, and other outcasts).

    6. War between France and the Fourth Reich. Partition of Europe, including a new partition of Poland.

    7. Separation of Northern Ireland from the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and accession to the Republic of Ireland.

    8. The American Civil War, the separation of California and Texas into independent states. Creation of the union state of Texas and Mexico. The subsequent victory of Elon Musk during the US presidential election in some of the states assigned to the Republicans after the civil war.

    9. Transfer of all major stock markets and financial activity from the US and Europe to Asia.

    10. The collapse of the Bretton Woods financial system, including the collapse of the IMF and the World Bank. Rejection of the euro and the dollar as world reserve currencies. The return of the gold standard. Transition to the active use of digital fiat currencies.

    Happy New Year to you, Anglo-Saxon friends and their happily grunting gilts!
    The author is Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia, First Deputy Chairman of the Military Industrial Commission

    • Replies: @chris
  91. @Priss Factor

    The Byzantine military system had a detailed code, based on many encounters, advising the best way to proceed in the field. Before the catastrophic defeat at Manzikert, the commanders regularly ignored all this advice. So in this case at least, it was innovation that was the problem.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  92. Durruti says:
    @RedpilledAF

    Putin loves Israel.

    Vladimir Putin’s Russia rescued Syria and, (at least temporarily), blocked the Zionist goal of creating the ultimate Imperialist-Military bastion of Eretz Israel, with borders extending, from the Euphrates, to the Nile, and to the Mississippi.

    There is ‘Love’ and there is a Naval and an Air base, and some thousands of elite Russian Marines (and a rearmed and re-trained Syrian Army).

    You may be correct; but you must explain Putin‘s Russian Rescue of Syria, or you will not sleep well at night.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
  93. Dumbo says:
    @Observator

    A sadder commentary on human nature are Marx-quoting morons who think that we can achieve Paradise on Earth if we are just “rational” — and that ideologies are not simply even worse types of “opium”, to continue the analogy.

    I thought the last two years of “Follow The Science!!!” would have disabused most people from such type of dumb ideas, but I guess not…

  94. @Atheist WN 709

    Arguably, Rome created Christianity and the figure of Christ as a religious counter movement to militant Judaism.

    But the Hebrews co-opted Christianity and invented Jesus; thus, Jesus Christ. The four gospels, written way after Paul’s letters, was a Hebrew attempt to re-convert Jews back from Christianity.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  95. chris says:
    @Shamu

    Thanks Shamu, there’s definitely more nuance to the story than its partisans will concede.

    Still, I definitely believe that Laurent is describing the situation as the Russians believe it to be.

  96. Sanjay90 says:

    All Gentiles are genetic waste. Not one single Gentile nation endeavors to practice eugenics/transhumanism in an attempt to become one with G-d. Mr. Unz, I can appreciate your attempt to find some good in Gentiles, but none exist in contemporary times. Dysgenics and mutational load has destroyed all Gentiles. There is only one solution – creating a bio-weapon that renders all Gentiles infertile, and then seeding the entire world with Hasidic/Haredi communities so they can repopulate Earth. Mr. Unz, surely deep down inside your heart, you know this to be the only solution to ensure hominid kind reach higher evolutionary levels, and higher levels of civility.

    All these articles defending Russia are probably written by individuals being paid by Putin. Putin is an extreme Genetic Sociopath who has created thousands of laws to ensure Russia completely genetically deteriorate.

    Sanjay

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  97. This is why all Russians, from peasants to boyars, will make any sacrifice to defend the Church.

    Putin’s Orcs have given the lie to this contention, targeting Orthodox Church buildings throughout the east. Many Russian orthodox Churches have been destroyed. Putin isn’t defending anything but his imperial ambitions.

    The Russian Church also has karma on her side: a heavy toll of martyrs under Lenin and Stalin. Although it has not absolutely lived up to this role, the Russian Church symbolizes the resistance of faith against the Communist dictatorship and its ideological materialism, and it can claim to have been resurrected on the blood of the martyrs.

    The Russian Orthodox Church bent the knee at the regime’s altar years ago. It is little more than a department of the regime, and has long been an aid to the oppressions visited on the people of Russia. Most, if not all, ROC Bishops were KGB agents. The current “patriarch” of the ROC was a KGB agent.

    Erdoğan’s Turkey is slowly but surely moving toward Byzantinism, in the broad sense of a close alliance between state and church. And of course, Iran has been traveling this road since 1979.

    Islam has never accepted a difference between “Church and State.” Islam’s attitude has never changed since its founding. The Eastern Orthodox Church bent the knee at government altars during the Byzantine Empire’s rule, and that hasn’t changed since. with the overthrow of the Shah, Iran was immediately at that destination.

    Westerners who are horrified by Putin’s reactionary conservatism only have to blame themselves for it.

    Putin’s reactionary conservatism is a matter of convenience. he is using teh Church in the same manner as Stalin did. Putin goes through the motions to fool people as to what he actually is, but his hatreds and lies give the lie to any assertion he is a Christian.

    …making Russian conservatism more and more attractive to decent peoples.

    That is risible. Anyone capable of critical thought understands the baggage that comes with “Putin’s conservatism.” Decent people have no desire to live under such a regime, and if they knuckle under to it, they will soon realize how stupid they were to do so.

  98. chris says:
    @Psychotic Break

    Might go along with some of your predictions if we set the time frame to 2035, … assuming we actually survive 2023.

    • Agree: Psychotic Break
  99. Seraphim says:
    @Sorel McRae

    Ignorance of Byzantine history is a general feature of the ‘West’. The real problem is the misrepresentation of it which is indeed the result of the ”West’s vengeful hatred for Byzantium and her successors …”, the hatred of schismatics and heretics ”who will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables”, for those who remained faithful to the commandments of Christ and His Church.
    For those ”who want to live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” as the Apostle to the Gentiles warned: ”This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was”.

    • Replies: @Sorel McRae
  100. @Seraphim

    Whew! Thanks (I guess).

    But what about the “deep genetic level” remark I was asking about?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  101. Seraphim says:
    @Shamu

    This sound like some ecumenistic BSpeak.

  102. Prior to not getting his way on Ukraine, Putin worked to integrate the Russian economy seamlessly into the West – wanting to get the benefits of Western high-tech and $$$ from Western customers. The idea that he had some grand plan separate from what the West is doing is a product of the West shunning HIM after the attack on Ukraine. It’s an irony that the former Communist bloc is more socially conservative than the degenerate West, but how long would that last if the economies are integrated?

    Obscure 18th & 19th century Russian writers – who a tiny percentage of Russians have read – aren’t going to convince the average Russian that it’s a good idea to get shot up over Putin’s boondoggle in Ukraine.

  103. @Shamu

    Germany lost World War II primarily because Hitker and most of his key advisors believed all that Superior Germanic Race stuff, which meant they would stupidly act on all the hatred of Spavs as inherently inferior to try to fight that 2 front war.

    That’s true to the extent of the lebensraum element in the war on Russia. Also, the failure to gain the sympathy of Slavs under German occupation.

    BUT, Germany still lost due to manpower and material reasons.

    After all, European imperialists thought they were BETTER and SUPERIOR to non-whites but won over and over against armies equipped with antiquated guns, bows and arrows, and spears.

    And white Americans certainly thought they were racially better than the red savage Indians, but whites won.

    In the end, it wasn’t about belief about manpower and materials. Whites had lots of troops with advanced technology. American Indians had no chance.

    National Socialist Germany was advanced and had good quality men and excellent weaponry, but they were outmatched in scale of manpower and material. That’s why they lost.

    • Replies: @Liosnagcat
  104. @inspector general

    Military factors aside, Byzantine politics was one of intrigue and secrecy. It led to endless conspiracies and distrust. In culture, it was like a Christian mausoleum. Lots of piety but sapped of color and vitality. It was like a Christian version of Ancient Egyptian Culture that became so set in its way and became one long funeral.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  105. Skeptikal says:

    Another outstanding essay by Laurent Guyenot!

  106. @Sanjay90

    Most Jews of today simply don’t show any sign, on their face or elsewhere, of any genetic or racial harmony, though some of smaller, less rich and less known may do. In particular the infamous semitic facies shown on caricatures and that does exist in greater proportion among them, has nothing semitic more than anything else, let that sink in. Any person of any racial origin who devotes his whole intellect to money and to deception in a tight-fisted way, or worse still, to occult manipulation, tends after a certain age to show off a certain mimic crystallizing into a certain physique. Real semitic traits do exist otherwise but they are no longer predominant among Jews. Jews are as dysgenic as the rest of humanity, and if anything, they have been leading the way in that matter.

    • Agree: HbutnotG
    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  107. Seraphim says:
    @Sorel McRae

    Of course, Shevkunov was speaking of the Jews. The Orthodox Church liturgical texts always refer to the “Christ hating Jews” and the Orthodox Church resisted (so far) the strenuous pressures to ‘expunge’ the liturgical texts (including the NT itself) of their ‘antisemitic passages’. It has nothing to do with ‘bioleninism’, whatever that means.
    Listen again to the Apostle to the Gentiles: ”For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost”.

    • Replies: @Sorel McRae
    , @Sorel McRae
  108. Sarita says:

    Nobody rescues nothing for free.
    Putin is an imperialist mobster who wanted to bring back the Soviet Union’s glory to the middle east. His main intention wasn’t as you say, about “rescuing Syria” from nobody. He wants Space, military bases) and ports for Access to the Mediterranean, which he got..how,? he made a deal to turn seven ancient cities into ice age, parking lots, and sending half of Syria into the stone age. Assad and that pig khaneney agreed

    Putin actually rescued Israel from the Sunni resistance who represent the true owners of the middle east. And specially Syria which is run by this minority shia cult named alawite who follow Iran

    [MORE]
    The sunni resistance that fought the Americans during desert storm and were being attacked by Suleimani, an Iranian general who is burning in hell as we speak, (and who went and brought these atheist Russians to kill other Muslims so that Iran can grow and bring about the Shia crescent), those Sunnis are the owners of Iraq and Syria since 4000 year ago.
    Why would Putin be so nice and worry about Syria when he isn’t a Muslim, he isn’t an Arab and Syria doesn’t have a border with Russia?
    None of business, right?
    PUTIN ACTUALLY SAVED ISRAEL FROM ISIS AND AL QAEDA BY KEEPING THEM FROM REACHING THE BORDER BY DESTROYING, FLATTENED SEVEN CITIES WHERE THE RESISTANCE WAS.!
    “Putin rescued Syria” should be corrected into “Putin saved Assad” for convenience.

    Another thing you need to investigate is that the Assad regime (And his father before him) have never fired a single bullet at Israel in 50 years!
    They are in it with it and so is God damned Iran.
    They work with Israel to keep 1.8 sunni Muslims down,,!

    • Troll: Arthur MacBride
  109. @Laurent Guyénot

    Guessing that humans gaining awareness of unavoidable mortality (all men must die, unwoke; all persons must die, woke) needed to create the concept of religion to brush that aside, religion, giving resurrection of the body and immortality of the soul, needed, so invented.

  110. HbutnotG says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Depends on where she lives (lived) and how long or who/when was her teachers/schooling or upbringing. Black women have an obvious aversion to most colored men.

    Long before the forced publicizing of people’s (particularly men’s) personal stuff, it was reliably established 70 years ago, at like, 15 – 18% of men are inherently bi (Masters/Johnson) and that meant at least occasional repeated, usually voluntary, often impulsive, but apparently inborn proclivities. Importantly, it was, like any other stuff going on in their underwear, a 180% private thing. M&J admitted the difficulty they had extracting that data (the 1950’s were markedly Puritanical). You’d never even say it in a confessional. And if you declined to do so, so what? the communion host wouldn’t be any more likely to stick to the roof of your mouth. We’re talking The Great Generation here, btw.

    The feminist movement (initiated by a bunch of severe cases of penis envy) made deliberate intrusion into this previously unspoken manstuff, and forced that public confession BS; made that an utter necessity. Divorce rates, even among the Catholics where it is a mortal sin – certain hell – climbed exponentially – same time period.

    Meantime, the other 85% were forced to have an outward acceptance (not publically throw up) at the mention or thought of something that is naturally gaggy to them.

    Said it before, I’ll say it again: Women should have never been let out of the house – today, evidently no matter who you are.

  111. @Wokechoke

    Real Politik overrides religion.

    No Jewish religion overrides Real Politik. Rechain the Christian to the Turkish yoke…What maters is Jewish emancipation.

    Bismarck wanted to encourage the development of civil rights for Jews in the region.

    With the The Congress of Berlin, Jews had setup the Great War… Bismarck didn’t need to be a seer to know where it would start.

  112. JR Foley says:
    @Poupon Marx

    USA 32 trillion in Debt and growing—Navy Biden might be just what Amtrak Joe needs–Hunter and the Arkansas stripper in DC–

  113. HbutnotG says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    A good 90% of the Jayballs I’ve known (often closeted as such) do not look like the caricature. On the other hand, about 30% have blonde or even ginger-tinged hair, and green eyes. More typical than the dolicocephalic head is the broad large often squarish head, with curly hair and bald on top. These are doubtless of NE European origin (White Russian or Lithuanian stock). Breitbart and the hubby in “Keeping up Appearances” were classic examples.

  114. @HbutnotG

    seriously? I thought it was about 5%. that is when we add up all the gays, lesbians, bisexuals and pansexuals. 15% from just the male side alone? I mean every straight guy has fantasized about FMF since ancient times, but does that count?

    • Replies: @HbutnotG
  115. Seraphim says:

    ”It seems easier to feel Christian as an Orthodox while not believing in the Virgin birth and the physical resurrection literally”? What does it mean?
    You are not a Christian if you don’t confess the Virgin birth and the physical resurrection literally in the first place. Because being Christian means to adhere to the Church founded by Jesus Christ and partaking in its mysteries and following His commandments as He handed them down to us through the Church hierarchy. This is ‘Orthodoxia’, ‘correct opinion’ and ‘correct worship’. There is no ‘Christianity’ outside the Church. They may call themselves ‘Christians’, but they are the ‘Synagogue of Satan’.
    ”If Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then Christ is not raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15: 14-21).
    When Jesus was on the earth, he raised four people from the dead. He raised the widow’s son in the village of Nain (Luke 7:15). He raised the 12-year-old daughter of Jairus, a ruler of the synagogue (Mark 5:42). He raised Lazarus, the brother of Mary and Martha in Bethany after he had been dead four days (John 11:44). And he raised himself from the dead after he had been crucified. “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father . . . has given all judgment to the Son.” (John 5:21–22). “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. He was speaking about the temple of his body” (John 2:21).
    The Virgin birth is a proof of Christ’s divinity, prophesized in that “Old Testament’ that so much irks Mr. Guyenot. The reason of Church’s reverence for the ‘OT’ is that it prophesized the Christ. There are the very words of Christ: ”Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me” (John 5:39). ”Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself” (Luke 24:25-27).
    ‘Overcoming’ the dogmas and the OT means to deny the Christ, ‘apostasy’.
    ‘Philosophies’ like Solovyov’s and Berdyaev’s have ‘overcome’ the ‘dogmas’ of the Orthodox Church. Solovyov was a convert to Papism, Berdyaev a convert to ‘freedom’, both critical of the ‘corruption’ of the Orthodox Church. Both waiting for the “Kingdom of God on Earth’. Putin shouldn’t have recommended them.
    BTW Mr. Guyenot has a tendency to get many things wrong. The ‘Congress of Berlin’ took place in 1878 and not in 1885.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Hibernian
  116. Malla says:
    @Shamu

    Hitler did not want a two front war, let alone a one front war. He was forced into it. Neither did the Japanese want a two front war (China and Western forces), they did not even want a one front war with either but the Japanese had a Pan Asian ideology in cold storage. The only major axis power which wanted an Empire was Mussolini, who wanted a Roman Empire 2.0. Among the Allied forces, both the Soviets and Muricans had “plans”. Soviets to bolshevise all of Europe West of the USSR and the Americans to replace the British and create their own version of liberal Global system.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  117. @New Dealer

    Thanks for the terrific essay. Russian civilization is a remarkable phenomenon.

    It’s remarkable that 20% of Russia doesn’t have indoor plumbing.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    • LOL: Zane
  118. @Seraphim

    The Virgin birth is a proof of Christ’s divinity, prophesized in that “Old Testament’ that so much irks Mr. Guyenot.

    Or Mary was dishonest and slept with a Roman.

    Either way.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @RadicalCenter
  119. @HbutnotG

    Long before the forced publicizing of people’s (particularly men’s) personal stuff, it was reliably established 70 years ago, at like, 15 – 18% of men are inherently bi

    That was never established and is dishonestly cited by the media.

    Polls show around 2-4% for men
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#United_States

    Sailer showed a study where most bisexuals had only one opposite sex experience.

    So they have a single experience in college/high school and call themselves bisexual.

    IE mostly women that fooled around once when drunk and now like the label of having alternative sexuality.

    • Replies: @HbutnotG
  120. @Laurent Guyénot

    Wish I could reach out and connect with you Laurent!

    It would be a coup to have your ideas popularized in Russia!

  121. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Observator

    Plato…observed long ago, that we can’t seem to outgrow our suicidal attraction to the irrational.

    Hmmm. You mean the rational Plato whose people fratricided each other for 27 years during the Peloponnesian Wars?

    Humans have an innate need to believe in something.

    Atheists believe in Ungod.

    Skeptics hedge their bets.

    Evolutionists believe that coffee cans (from where?) filled with primeval goop (from where?) will, over bazillions of years, somehow become human beings. The problem: that theory, requiring infinity, has yet to be proven in labs. Thus far, life has only come from prior life.

    Ergo, Evolutionists’ gods are Time and Selective Pressure.

    Others believe in Gaia: Mother Nature. Yet Ma doesn’t give a shite whether humans live or die. I mean, look around the universe: see any other nice, warm, comfy places? Is “life” on Mars sand?

    Odd, too, that all great scientists were/are Believers. Were they all chumps? Scaredy-cats? Or just all-too-humble…aware of their own limits and that of Reason?

    Science has its place.

    So does love.

    Science needs love, love science. Otherwise the world becomes imbalanced.

    Love…

    “Who can explain it? Who can tell you why?
    Fools give you reasons, wise men never try”

    Also:

    “There was a boy, a very strange enchanted boy…
    And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings,
    This he said to me: ‘The greatest thing you’ll ever learn
    Is just to love and be loved in return’ “

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Anonymous
  122. JimDandy says:
    @Priss Factor

    I sometimes wonder if Tito was a successful fascist. Some commies certainly thought so:

    From For a Lasting Peace, for a People’s Democracy!
    No. 41 (153), October 12, 1951.

    Tito Fascist Clique “Legalises” Capitalism in Yugoslavia
    Miron Constantinescu
    Member, Political Bureau,
    Central Committee, Rumanian Workers’ Party

    If earlier, the Tito gang of assassins and spies went out of their way to camouflage the restoration of capitalism in Yugoslavia, at present this is being done quite openly. At the end of August, the Tito-Rankovic fascist clique, which usurped power in the Party and in the State, announced “new economic law” which signified nothing more than a complete transition to open restoration of capitalism, open transfer of Yugoslavia’s national riches to the American and British imperialists, and the complete switching of the economy onto a war footing.

  123. HbutnotG says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Bisexuality (as I described) is about 15 – 18%. And btw, except for a few mentally/socially/maritally screwed up ones, those men wouldn’t be caught dead anywhere near a pride parade. And neither they nor a homosexual man, nothing else involved, would knowingly have anything to do with a lesbian. “gay” is a term not in any way specific for a sexual preference. It’s a television term.

    You’re a lumper. Lemme guess: Class of 1994?

    .. if it isn’t “flat”….then it’s “alpine.”

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  124. Seraphim says:
    @John Johnson

    The Talmud is not the ‘Old Testament’.

    • Replies: @Sarita
  125. JimDandy says:
    @Sarita

    “the price, we think, the price (half a million dead kids) is worth it.”
    –Your Late Cousin Madeline

    • Replies: @Sarita
  126. HbutnotG says:
    @John Johnson

    I said BI sexual. Not homo.
    Your reading skills are poor.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  127. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @HbutnotG

    70 years ago…15-18% of men are inherently bi (Masters/Johnson)…M&J admitted the difficulty they had extracting that data (the 1950’s were markedly Puritanical)

    So while M&J were less biased than Kinsey, all three tended to focus on pervs…especially Kinsey:

    “Kinsey’s research…include[d] observation of and participation in sexual activity, sometimes involving co-workers…Kinsey filmed sexual acts…[perhaps] driven by his own sexual needs….[V]olunteers…may not have been representative of the general population….[He] report[ed] observations of orgasms in over 300 children aged from 2 months up to age 15…Kinsey said he also interviewed 9 men who had sexual experiences with children…Kinsey’s sexual activity influenced his work…over-represent[ing] prisoners and prostitutes…[He] classified some single people as ‘married’, and…included a disproportionate number of homosexual men…Kinsey’s survey likely overestimated the frequencies of non-heterosexual attractions and expressions.”

  128. Seraphim says:
    @Anonymous

    Mother Nature, Mama Gaia or Baba Yaga, is a monster which eats all her creatures, sometimes cooking them on fires.

  129. @HbutnotG

    older :p so the search engine stat is completely wrong? do you have a source I can skim through?

    • Replies: @HbutnotG
  130. Malla says:

    The West rebels against itself, against its own heritage and then tries to spread that rebellion to other parts of the World. Centuries back, the West rebelled against its own Medieval period, started looking at that period of the West as the “dark ages” even thought the High Middle Ages in Europe was one of the most advanced part of the World. And then the West tried to remove other societies from their own medievalisms (in Africa from primitivism) via the White Man’s burden. It partly succeeded but it seems other civilizations are now slowly sliding back to their own mediavalisms (or in Africa, back to primitivism) with time. For better or for worse, in many cases worse. India goes back to Hindutva, islamic World to fundamentalist Islam and Sharia, China to Confucian Emperors, Latin America to Aztec type gangs.

    Now again the West rebels against its own traditional culture, via Cultural Marxism and then tries to spread that same revolution throughout the World by encouraging promiscuity and globo -homo. The earlier White Man’s burden folks atleast had wisdom about things, had some understanding of human nature, knew when to draw the line on social issues. Today’s globo-homo burden folks are raving nutcases with zero understanding of human nature and zero wisdom.

    Christianity taught that, to improve the world, we must improve ourselves. Post-modern Cultural Marxist ideology teaches us that we must improve other people. It’s a road that will always lead to brutality and mass murder, to the gates of the Gulag.
    After all, Communism is more Christian than Christianity itself.

    • Replies: @Sarita
  131. @Priss Factor

    BUT, Germany still lost due to manpower and material reasons.

    The continual betrayal of Hitler by his military “leaders” in the Russian campaign contributed in a major way to Germany’s defeat. Had his generals done as they were told from the start, U.S.S.R. would have been sewn up handily.

  132. @Robert Dolan

    You are a breath of fresh air, as usual.

    Thanks.

  133. @Anon

    There is no way you are so dense as to have misunderstood Dolan this badly.

    You’re obviously feigning stupidity; “dumb like a fox” is the phrase that comes to mind.

    Hit the road, Anon-owitz.

  134. Well it’s got to better than US protestant thinkers. At least a well thought out reasoning.

  135. HbutnotG says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Life, babe. I’ve lived it. (know what “H but not G” means?)

    Gay is a made up word to replace “fairy.” You old enough to remember that word? Some clueless 25 year old girl probably wrote what you looked up.

    If you weren’t an outright fairy, the word gay never applied to you.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  136. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Way back in the late 1800s it became unavoidable the accepted body of rationality and logic had gross errors in its foundation.

    Calculus, for an example, had no foundation at all. Newton’s work had been accepted based on the ability of classical physics to predict experimental outcomes and astronomical observations, but the initial philosophical objections to the foundations of Calculus were shown to be valid.
    This was somewhat disquieting, as Newtonian physics was the basis of Western science, engineering, and much of manufacturing. Development of logic and some very unconventional thinking had given Imperial Germany a 2nd generation industry, the chemical industry, that was rivaling the industry of the British Empire. Yet Newtonian physics rested on a poor logical foundation and could not accurately explain, for example, the photoelectric effect.

    The above led to a serious attempt to repair the foundations of mathematics and to define a non-Newtonian physics. It also made serious attempts to redefine society more plausible. As of 2022, both attempts have failed. The new physics of the 1930s, which Einstein at least summarized, has never been able to reconcile quantum mechanics with general relativity, and makes serious errors in prediction for chaotic macrocosmic objects. Even worse, the “serious attempts to redefine society” have seriously failed, and become the array of crooked carnival games that we see in early 2023. Worse yet, the Western society that accepted “rational” changes to society is failing, as are the other societies (China, Japan, Korea) that accepted these changes and now find themselves industrialized but with a population in demographic collapse.

    So what happened?

    Bluntly, there are questions that cannot be answered by rational methods. These questions range from “Why go on living?” to “Are there fundamental and persistent rules to reality?”.

    Continuation of human life depends on having answers to these questions. The West’s dependence on rationality has, in the end, amounted to “These questions have no answer, so make something up, get the government on your side, and impose your invention on the general populace (AKA Postmodernism). This has worked poorly, see “demographic collapse” above [1].

    Religion provides answers to questions that cannot be answered from either experience or rational though. Here are some examples:

    Q: Do we plant crops in early Spring, when we all feel sick from last Winter. We can’t harvest until the end of the Summer, and the crops may fail if the rains do not come.
    A1: Yes, for although nature cannot be predicted, God has promised that that God will provide if we are faithful. Sometimes we are not faithful, and God tests us by withholding the rains, but we have faith, keep some seed grain, and the next year God provides again.
    A2: No, for the earth spirits have shown us that farming is bad, and we must become pastoralists.

    Q: Do men take care of their children, although they have never done anything for us, and exposing unwanted children is part of both the Classical Greek and Classical Roman ethos, and is still practiced sporadically?
    A1: Yes, for God values every life.
    A2: No, because the (Classical) gods are much like human rulers, and don’t care one way or the other.
    A2: No, because we are ruled by rationality or our emotions, and just now both say that the kid dies.

    Q: Could the replicability of experiments end, so that (for example) tomorrow rocks fell upward rather than down?
    A1: Yes, if Allah wills it, and Allah is not constrained in any way.
    A2: No, for God does not break his word.
    A3: (Postmodernist) Replicability is a social phenomena. If no more experiments were conducted, replicability would cease, and a clever illusionists could make rocks fall upward in the popular belief.

    You people who want to end religion are either very foolish indeed, or are attempting to become the new upper class/God who answers the unanswerable. Attempts to eliminate religion either fail or simply become the new religion.

    *********************************************************************
    1] The “Mouse Utopia” experiments (see videos on Youtube) were apparently due to a collapse in mouse society and socialization. Young mice simply did not learn how to be mice, how to be dominant males and nurturing females. When, towards the end of the experiment, mice were transplanted to new habitats, they did not resume population growth, they simply remained as they had been (think of a society of militant lesbian feminists and self absorbed homosexual men) and had no offspring, as did their generation back in the primary “Mouse Utopia”. If today seems much like that, well, the “Mouse Utopia” experiments were intended to predict the future of the abundance, with no food or housing constraints, that was confidently expected in the 1950s.

  137. Sarita says:
    @Malla

    “Anti-Communism is Antisemitism.” ~ Jewish Voice, July ~ August 1941.

    “We will legally define the Talmud as the basis of the Israeli legal system. ~ Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “Some may call it Communism, but I call it what it is: Judaism.” ~ Rabbi Stephen Weiss.

  138. Sarita says:
    @JimDandy

    oh I know,
    Madeleine was as bitch.
    The US and Russia ( the former Soviet Union) compete to see who kills more Muslims. I.E. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria..
    Both of them suck.
    But unlike posters like you, I defend none.
    How you like them apples, Iranian hasbara.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @JimDandy
  139. @Shamu

    My understanding of the Fourth Crusade doesn’t come from Russian historiography, but from Western historians like Steven Runcinman who have challenged the Western dominant narrative, based on Western chronicles, and who demonstrate that, although Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453, this was a consequence of its weakening in 1204. It could never recover from this blow.
    It is certainly true that the popes didn’t intend the crusaders to sack Constantinople in 1204, but they certainly intended to submit it to papal authority. When the Greeks reconquered it in 1260, they tried to launch a new crusade.
    The notion that the destruction of Constantinople was an unfortunate and unintended result of a genuine attempt to save it is very naïve. It is like saying that the US invaded Iraq to save it. This is what you can perhaps read in school textbooks, but it is a lie.
    I advise you to read my article “a Byzantine view of Russia and Europe”: https://www.unz.com/article/a-byzantine-view-of-russia-and-europe/
    I quote from it, about the First Crusade:
    Concerning the First Crusade, we are still taught that it was the generous response of the Roman Church to a desperate appeal from the Byzantine emperor Alexios Komnenos struggling against the Seljuk Turks. This is indeed how Latin chroniclers presented it, quoting a letter from Alexios to the Count of Flanders in which the first humbly implored the help of the second. This letter is now considered a forgery.i The thesis that “the first crusade did not have as its initial goal the constitution of organized states in the Holy Land [but] delivering the Holy Places,” to quote a recent book on the subject,ii is utterly naive and does not stand up to even superficial scrutiny. The truth is that, just like today, the holy war against Islam hid a project of destabilization and conquest of the Middle East. To take just one example: one of the main crusading leaders, Bohemond of Taranto, was the son of the Norman Robert Guiscard who, with the blessing of the pope, had already tried to seize Constantinople in 1081. During a diplomatic tour of Europe in 1105-1107, Bohemond raised funds and troops for a new expedition directed expressly against Constantinople, by distributing copies of the Gesta Francorum, an account of the crusade written for his own glorification and presenting “the Abominable Emperor” Alexios as a traitor whose every action was motivated solely by the destruction of the Crusader army.iii This seminal text of the historiography of the Crusades, which contributed more than any other to the negative image of the Byzantines, effeminate and deceitful, and to the heroic image of the Franks, is a good example of medieval propaganda.

  140. @Wayne Lusvardi

    Interesting theory. I suspect something of the sort
    Have you read Barbiero’s The Secret Society of Moses? I mention him in my article “How Yahweh Conquered Rome”: https://www.unz.com/article/how-yahweh-conquered-rome/

  141. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    resurrection of the body and immortality of the soul, needed, so invented

    You don’t need both. I choose the second, like all reasonable people throughout the world. The first concept comes from the Jewish Bible: you know, Adam and Eve were created bodily immortal, but they ate the fruit and became mortal, like the rest of us … until Jesus came and overcame physical death, and so shall we in the Last Days. This is, I suppose, what Seraphim believes.

  142. @Jamali

    You are merely confirming what I wrote. You should have just pressed the AGREE button instead.

  143. @Seraphim

    Of course, Shevkunov was speaking of the Jews. … the Orthodox Church resisted (so far) the strenuous pressures to ‘expunge’ the liturgical texts (including the NT itself) of their ‘antisemitic passages’.

    OK, you have my sincere congratulations. So why doesn’t he name them explicitly here? Instead, he keeps saying “the West” as if it is an undivided whole, opposed to Slavs at a “deep genetic level” rather than manipulated by Jewish interests. (Sort of like Putin alluding to “Anglo-Saxons”–no angels, to be sure, but look at Biden’s cabinet, the leading donors to both parties, the neocon foreign policy establishment, the moguls of our media, the financial elite, etc.: does this really look like an Anglo-Saxon cabal pursuing Western interests?)

    There are many non-Russophobic Westerners (like me) who are open to hear points of view we are not getting in our own mainstream media (and who understand why, i.e., are onto the Jewish Question). What are we supposed to think when we hear Russian leaders say–not that our foreign policy is manipulated by Jews for Jewish interests or even that we were naive or craven or that our leaders corrupt to allow it, but only–that it is our fault and in our nature at a “deep genetic level”?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  144. Tsigantes says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Thank you for stating the truth about Machievelli, so ridiculously presented in the West where nobody – of course – has read his books.

  145. @Seraphim

    More on the Anglo-Saxons’ and “the West’s vengeful hatred for Byzantium[‘s] successors … [at] some deep genetic level” (scroll down a bit):
    https://dailystormer.in/top-rabbi-calls-on-jews-to-flee-russia-before-they-start-getting-blamed-for-ukraine-war/

  146. Che Guava says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    All you did was carelessly agree with a post by Anonymous 231, all I was posting was to refute much of the words of Anonymous 231.

    I can see that I wrote one ill-tempered sentence, my sincere apologies for that.

    However, you may also read more carefully before agreeing, particularly in the case of posters always using ‘Anonymous’ or ‘Anon’.

    • Agree: Laurent Guyénot
  147. Tsigantes says:
    @Priss Factor

    In culture, it was like a Christian mausoleum. Lots of piety but sapped of color and vitality. It was like a Christian version of Ancient Egyptian Culture that became so set in its way and became one long funeral.

    Sure, and that’s why it lasted 1000 years, the longest empire in history….unless you don’t separate west from east and thus the Roman empire is the longest at 1400 years. They must have got something right.

    Still, it should be noted that while Rome conquered the Hellenes at their weakest point yet “Captive Greece held captive her uncouth conqueror and brought the arts to the rustic Latin lands”. (Horace) . This included the eventual (Greek) Christianisation of Rome through as first influence Eleni the Greek mother of Constantine. His Eastern Roman empire based in the Greek city of Byzantion, in Greek Ionia, re-named Constantinople, ceased to be ruled by Romans after the death of Justinian and took a different course under revived Greek rule, including a new military / diplomatic paradigm, which the Orthodox world shares still today. As a detail the ancient Greek tradition of Hoplites-Polites is still in use by Russia and Greece .

    In the 9th century the Greek monks Cyril [Kiril in Russian] and Methodius evangelised and converted the newly arrived “Danubian” Slavs in what is now Serbia, inventing an alphabet for an illiterate people using the Greek alphabet with new letters added for specifically Serbian sounds so as to translate the bible, which was the Slavs’ first book. Over time the Cyrillic alphabet was extended to Russia, following the conversion of Olga and then her grandson Vladimir in 988.

    You may wonder why I am inserting what may appear to you random facts into your uninformed viewpoint. There is a separate and very rich Orthodox civilisation – not just cereal box “Russia” or cereal box “Byzantium” – with far more ancient roots than the “West”, and the only reason you are becoming aware of it is that it constitutes the one remaining katechon against “West”‘s undying hatred and envy and its (so far) inability to destroy. And that applies to all of Orthodoxy, especially the countries still hostages of NATO / EU.

  148. We now have some Sanjay and Sarita typing comments on a keyboard in Tel Aviv. But are they truly Indians or has Israel now started hiring Indians to post this kind of rubbish as they are cheaper? Perhaps even outsourcing to internet centres in India to keep them away.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  149. Che Guava says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    M. Guyenot did not express scepticism about atomic weapons, he just carelessly agreed with one of the many progagandists and liars on this site who signs up then only uses Anon or Anonymous, I replied re. the latter, regrettably included an intemperate sentence to M. Guyenot, whose writing I respect.

    As with ‘novel’ corona response, I agree, although I wouldn’t include sepsis, dangerous for sure, but not the same, unless your SEPSIS is a new acronym I’ve never heard of before. I had scurvy at one time, being in extreme youth with a rocker group that didn’t care about good nutrition for a time, but easily cleared up.

    None that you list are the same as or similar to radiation poisoning.

  150. @Jamali

    Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei and his advisors represent something the post-Christian West no longer understands: an empowered spiritual-intellectual elite with concern for, and support from, the common people and the poor. The greedy materialist dumbed-down secularized upper middle classes, brainwashed by progressivism, don’t like or understand this arrangement; and their psychopathic oligarch overlords see it as a mortal threat.

    Something similar is re-emerging in Russia with respect to the Orthodox church.

    For an introduction to the last classically-educated milieu on Earth, the Iranian religious establishment, read Roy Mottahedeh’s The Mantle of the Prophet, then compare it to the bestselling evocation of life in Russian Orthodox monastaries Everyday Saints.

  151. @Laurent Guyénot

    The Byzantines did appear to have been effeminate (there are no stories countering this except some “Alexander” romances), that fame rivalling maybe only that of the Chinese in this respect. Likewise, the legendary failures of icons-adorned Byzantine armies rivalled only the legendary failures of the Chinese so easily overrun by nomads.

    The Byzantine roots might have been as ancient as the Chinese ones, reaching as far back as to Minoan Crete… the double eagle being a masked labrys. The problem was that those roots may have been so ancient that not many people outside Byzantine aristocracy felt they had a real stake in the defence of the empire. Hard to whip out peasants for the defence of some pharaoh-like Paleologos… the more the ancient “Greek” oligarchic traditions took over the civic spirit of Rome, the worse the fate of Byzantine state became. This lack of popular interest in the defence of Empire seems to have been a weak point of Russia today too, where the luck of trust in mobilization does seem to parallel the lack of trust in leadership of Kremlin.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  152. @Priss Factor

    The State no longer occupies the same psychic space in people’s heads as it did in inter-war Europe. Fascism is as remote and improbable as monarchy at this point.

  153. @HbutnotG

    So, you are just like the girl I talked to. I thought you got some data that I wasn’t privy to lol.

  154. 1jonny says:
    @Poupon Marx

    The post is a series of allusions, so that one doesn’t know what he’s talking about or whether he’d have a valid point if he’d be less obscure.

  155. Avery says:
    @Sarita

    You trolls need to be a little more “polished” to try to convince the readers of UNZ.
    You won’t succeed with too many, but at least give it a try.

    The US and Russia ( the former Soviet Union) compete to see who kills more Muslims.

    Don’t lump USSR/Russia with the ZioReptilian West.

    1. Syria

    If (Christian) Russian Air Force had not come in, and Islamic Republic of Iran’s volunteers had not fought in Syria, Syrian Muslims — Alawites — would have been totally exterminated by Sunni ISIS cannibals. Financed and armed by US, UK, France, Turkey, KSA, Israel,….the ZioReptilian West.

    2. Chechnya

    Wahhabi Islamist Chechen terrorists murdered ~500 children, half of them Muslim, in Beslan, Russia. Normal Chechens, e.g the Kadyrov clan, fought alongside Russian federal troops in Chechnya to eradicate the Wahhabi infestation.

    This is the magnificent mosque that Moscow built in Grozny.
    Moscow also spent billions to completely rebuild Grozny.
    And continues supporting Chechnya’s economy annually.
    That is why young Muslim Chechens volunteer by the 1,000s to go and fight in far away Ukraine next to their Christian Russian buddies.

    Go and peddle your anti-Russian, anti-Iranian childish propaganda somewhere else.

    One last thing, our Wahhabi Islamist (or ZioReptilian pretending to be one) guest:

    Muslims have murdered 10s of millions of Christians in their time.
    There were NO Muslims in the entirely of Middle East for centuries: only Christians and others.
    Now Christians have been almost completely erased from their ancestral homelands.
    It’s near 100% Muslim.

    • Replies: @Sarita
  156. @John Johnson

    Thank you for responding logically to his zealous drivel.

  157. 1jonny says:
    @Franz

    We who profess the old virtues are mainly complicit in the -promoted by *someone*- destruction of our culture by our passivity and detachment from what’s going on in any larger social or cultural sense. The other day I was telling my brother-in-law, an evangelical pastor, about James Lindsey’s podcast series tracing the evolution of the “Woke” movement starting something like 100 years ago. As I was outlining some of the major steps in its development (according to how I understand Lindsey, anyhow), he interrupted me with something like “Well, I’m mainly interested in preaching the Word.” That ended THAT discussion.

    Where I am, I mostly have conversations with people who profess evangelical-type Christianity. I quietly try to bring up stuff like I did above. I mostly get some similar kind of dismissal. Yet they’ll express puzzlement and some vague sort of dismay at the take-over by overt anti-Christian mores. Instead of progressing with the first step of investigating any kind of history of how these things came to be, they check out of the topic with something like “Well, according to the Bible we’re in the last days, anyhow”, and go back to the ballgame. I guess we are in the “Last Days”!

    I don’t know if there’s more interest shown in areas dominated by Catholic adherents. I hope so.

    • Thanks: Franz
  158. Sarita says:
    @Avery

    “There were no Muslims in the middle east for centuries”..
    LOUD HORN!!!!!
    WRONG!!!
    It was 400 years between Christ (whom white people, Romans to be exact, killed) and Mohammed.
    In between there were millions of pagans who didn’t buy that “oh, he walked in the water” shit.
    Now, forget Muslims, they were all SEMITES who became Jews, Christians and later on Muslims. They all belong there.
    WHERE DO THE WASP FIT HERE?.
    stay home you already stole enough out of Africa, the middle east, India, china etc

    And please don’t come back with “oh, the Jews made us do it” “THEY MADE US THROW THE BOMB IN HIROSHIMA AND MADE US KILL 110 MILLION NATIVE AMERICANS, BU HU HU” stuff.

    “THE DOG ATE MY HOMEWORK”

    ITS YOU, THE WHITE MAN DOING ALL THAT MAYHEM.
    YOU.
    Putin is white, Biden is white.
    White: 👎👎👎

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Seraphim
  159. JimDandy says:
    @Sarita

    No, as you know, I’m just a gentile citizen of your vassal state–and the US kills Muslims in service to your Jewish homeland. Know this: there will be a massive slave rebellion against your evil empire. Your Talmud will lead to you ruin. Once again.

    “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel… In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money…. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew… Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”

  160. Sarita says:

    “your evil empire.”
    What?
    Oh my God!
    Are you saying I’m a Jew?
    Loooooool!
    Well, thankyou! That’s really a compliment!
    Those people are very talented and smart, love their actors, etc
    Nope.
    I am an ex-christian.
    What’s with the name?
    I didn’t know Iranians named their kids “Jim”.
    Boy, Iranians also got their hasbara department where they pretend they are whites.
    What a planet!
    By the way, your hero Putin just congratulated his Zionist brother Netanyahu on his win. What did Netanyahu do afterwards? He bombed the Damascus airport!
    Oh,
    Also,
    400 Russians soldiers just got smoked by Ukraine…
    Some of those dead were probably veterans who killed a few children in the 7 cities Putin destroyed in Syria.
    Good riddance.👍👍

  161. harfang67 says:

    What a contribution!

    Really happy to have discovered your site before spring 2020 (this Covid thing) and having followed you since. You’re really a shining light in our world.

    A happy New Year Ron and thank’s for all what you are doing. Thanks to Laurent also for his shinning contribution concerning Russia’s neo-byzantinism

    Jean-Marie

  162. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Guyenot’s article is the worst I’ve read here in a long time and features typical Russian apologist tropes (third rome, Byzantium, devout Orthodox). It’s easy to see this is a fantasy and Russia is in fact corrupt, neo Soviet, and judeo-pagan. The fact that the “West” is run by aggressive, hateful, ashkenazi queers does not change this.

  163. @HbutnotG

    I said BI sexual. Not homo.
    Your reading skills are poor.

    No you didn’t click on the link.

    The number you cited was never established and polls show that bisexuality in men is not over 5%.

    Go ahead and cite the exact Masters/Johnson study. Their studies were lazily done and they made all kinds of assumptions. They are cited by leftists for political reasons.

    15% of US men are not bisexual. That is ridiculous.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  164. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Do the Poles fantasize they would change again the leadership of Kremlin and put a new Władysław on Putin’s throne, after overcoming the ‘lack of popular interest of peasants for the defense of some pharaoh-like Paleologos” (Russian Tsars pretended to be descendants of the Paleologoi) of the ‘icons adorned Russki armies’, as they did during the ‘Time of Troubles’?

  165. Avery says:
    @Sarita

    I am not WASP, you ignoramus.
    I am of Armenian ancestry.
    And you know nothing.

  166. Sarita says:
    @Seraphim

    The old testament got some crazy stuff too, you know, kill, kill, kill

  167. Sarita says:

    Then what exactly is your point in all this?
    All I know about Armenia is that them bitches the Kardashian are from there.
    That’s all.
    Ok bye.

    • Replies: @Avery
  168. Seraphim says:
    @Tsigantes

    It is hard to make prissy people go beyond their acquired prejudices, especially when they believe that they arrived at them by their own judgement. Better not try to argue with them, it’s a waste of time.
    But it is worse when you oppose their flawed arguments with your flawed arguments.
    We like Serbs and sympathize with their plight. But we must not fall into the “Pan-Serbism” of some who make all ‘Slavs’ Serbs. The ‘Danubian Slavs’ evangelized by Constantin/Cyrill and Methodius were the Bulgarians and the Moravians. What is now Serbia was part of the First Bulgarian Empire.
    The truth is that the first mission to Slavs of Cyril was his mission to the Khazars in Crimea. According to ‘Vita Constantini’, his biography, ”he found there [in Chersonesos – the present day Sevastopol] the Evangel and Psalter written with Russian letters [росьскꙑми писмєнь писано], and upon finding a man who spoke the language, talked with him; and perceiving the power of the speech, he added various letters for his own language, consonant vocal sounds; and praying to God, immediately began to compose and reveal, and many marvelled at him, glorifying God”.
    The Russian Primary Chronicle is a little confused describing the missions of Cyril and Methodius:
    ”There was at the time but one Slavic race including the Slavs who settled along the Danube and were subjugated by the Magyars, as well as the Moravians, the Czechs, the Lyakhs, and the Polyanians, the last of whom are now called Russes. It was for these Moravians that Slavic books were first written, and this writing prevails also in Rus’ and among the Danubian Bulgarians. When the Moravian Slavs and their princes were living in baptism, the Princes Rostislav, Svyatopolk, and Kotsel sent messengers to the Emperor Michael, saying, “Our nation is baptized, and yet we have no teacher to direct and instruct us and interpret the sacred scriptures. We understand neither Greek nor Latin. Some teach us one thing and some another. Furthermore, we do not understand written characters nor their meaning. Therefore, send us teachers who can make known to us the words of the scriptures and their sense.” The Emperor acceded to their demand and sent Cyril and Methodius to Moravia. When they arrived, they undertook to compose a Slavic alphabet, and translated the Acts and the Gospel… ”Constantine then returned again and went to instruct the people of Bulgaria; but Methodius remained in Moravia. Prince Kotsel appointed Methodius Bishop of Pannonia in the see of St. Andronicus, one of the Seventy, a disciple of the holy Apostle Paul. Methodius chose two priests who were very rapid writers and translated the whole Scriptures in full from Greek into Slavic in six months between March and the twenty-sixth day of October”.
    Corroborating the story of the Chronicle with Byzantine sources which say that after the catastrophic failure of the Rus’ attack on Constantinople in 860 the Rus’ asked the ‘Romans’ to send them a bishop, in other words asking to be baptized. So, the process of Christianization of Russia starts much earlier than St. Vladimir. It was a protracted process, finalized in 988 with the baptism of Vladimir in the city of Chersonesos and the mass baptism of the Rus remained pagans. But the first mission to the Rus coincides in time, take or give some years, with the Christianization of Bulgaria.
    The Cyrillic alphabet (which practically is the Greek alphabet with slight modifications) was first and not the Glagolitic (which diverge from the Greek patterns significantly). It is a controversy which agitated the Slavists for long.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  169. Seraphim says:
    @Sarita

    ”he walked ON the water”. You walk in shit.

    • Agree: Avery
    • Replies: @Sarita
  170. Hibernian says:
    @Seraphim

    Orthodox if anything are likely to take the Virgin Birth more seriously than Catholics, let alone Protestants.

  171. Seraphim says:

    They are not ‘likely’. They do it very seriously.

  172. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    There is something irresistibly attractive in Russia’s defense of traditional and religious values

    Like genocide, Laurent?

  173. Avery says:
    @Anon

    {Like genocide, Laurent?}

    Which, quote, “genocide”?
    Don’t be shy: spell it out, so we can dismantle your false accusation.

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. Avery says:
    @Sarita

    The point is you are spreading childish lies and disinformation.
    Your visceral hatred of Iranians marks you as a Zionist shill.
    Or Israeli disinformation operative.

    And your irrational comingling of so-called ‘WHITES’ marks you as an uneducated simpleton troll: e.g. Russians have nothing in common with Anglo-Saxons, other than skin color.

    And Kardashians are NOT from Armenia: they have Armenian ancestry from their father’s side — who also was born here in Los Angeles — but were born here in US. Another tell of your ignoramus brain.

    {Ok bye}

    Is that a promise?
    You leaving UNZ.com for good?
    Please do: lots of UNZ.com posters will wish you well and breathe a sign of relief of being rid of one more pest that contributes nothing to intellectual discussion here and contaminates UNZ comment threads with random bits of disjointed hateful word salad.

    • Replies: @Sarita
    , @silviosilver
  175. @Seraphim

    Well, I suppose in Poland we wait who will become the new Belisarius, ever-faithful new Zhukov to the tzar Putin….? Will new Belisarius-Surovikin return to Moscow for a triumph, providing thus his loyalty, or will he choose to govern his new province of Malorossija…? And in the end will he loose his eyes like Belisarius too…? Incidentally, the Russian army slowly takes upon its original Byzantine model: some core guard troops, aka Wagner group, surrounded by unreliable ad hoc recruits of all kinds.

    I think you overestimate Polish fondness for all kinds of kings, not just Russian, even Polish ones: in fact, in Poland we did take to our hearts the lack of fondness of God for kings in Israel in 1 Samuel…. therefore even more we are befuddled by this unscriptural Russo-Byzantine obsession with “transmission of power” through monarchs, which you even strengthen more with these claims of forged Paleologos-Romanov link (they can’t be so serious about that, oh yes, they can), of which I have been not aware until now… With all this built-in monarchism, it almost seems like Orthodoxy should be the most fertile ground for all these “Sangre real” heresies of Mary Magdalene being the wife of Christ and secret rule of Jesus & whore descendants over the world… Unfortunately, Jesus & Magdalene were to land in South France, maybe even among Cathars… So you champion another line, but the old one too.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  176. @Anon

    What is irresistible is pretending that you are someone else than you really are.

    Arise, arise the sons of Beast as the sons of Jahwe…arise…!
    Nothing beats that. Nothing.

  177. Sarita says:
    @Seraphim

    Got cha!
    He walked IN the water because no one can walk ON the water.
    His feet were touching the mud and sand at the bottom.
    But, Jhon, who was his cousin, and wrote the book like 50 years later SAID he walked ON the water.
    Besides, he was too fat to walk ON the water.
    🙄

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @Seraphim
  178. Sarita says:
    @Avery

    Bye, meaning GET LOST.
    I ain’t going nowhere, unz.com isn’t Russia Today or Press TV where they erase your comments. This is a democratic site, it’s the future of free press.
    The Iranian regime (not the people, I never said “Iranian people” or “Iranians”) is a monster, they are murderers to whom idiotic Bush handed Iraq to in a silver plate thinking that by getting rid of Saddam Hussein Israel would be fine. Iran took over and started a sick, demonic project called the Shia Crescent. They started feeding hate and weapons to the Arab Shia minorities in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain, Lebanon and “helping” Hamas in the Gaza Strip. They use the excuse that sunnis (90% of the world muslims) killed some idiot by the name of “Hussein” 1500 years ago. But, as usual, it’s about conquering those countries and steal the resources. Look at the middle east now. Millions dead. The regime has killed more sunnis than Israel has in a hundred years. All completely destroyed thanks to those damned pedophile mullahs.
    I never said “White People” I meant to refer to the WASP race continuous conflictive modus vivendi as if they were Vikings even today.
    Since the crusades The wasp have engaged in wars using stupid reasons. They destroyed many native communities around the world. I was recently recently reading about New Zealand. Horrible what the WASP did there.
    Their leaders are pedophiles too, look at Trump and Clinton. Monsters.
    I ain’t going nowhere, this isn’t your site.
    loser.

  179. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Sarita

    But, Jhon, who was his cousin, and wrote the book like 50 years later SAID he walked ON the water.

    Hebrew and Semitic desert dwellers of that era were natural born fabulists, storytellers, and downright liars. It’s part of their culture. But the Christians among them were “making the myths” to create a people of morality and integrity — characteristics that had escaped so many of their mideast kind for eons.

    It’s similar to the story of Moses genociding the Golden Calfers for their diseased behavior, maybe some grains of truth but probably more myth than fact.

    One day, Christians will probably write some myths about this era, but based in facts, about how diseased, pathological liar Semites made their way into Europe, eventually infiltrated the British Empire, incited mayhem, conflict and world wars until Moses-Christianity put an end to them and their stooges. They tried to lie again, claim a “second Holocaust” but no one believed them because the first “Holocaust” was proven to by part of their fabulist grifter storytelling, and they were purged from Western Civilization and sent wandering again.

    Like Cain, these people are ultimately destined to be homeless, hunted, wandering, nomadic grifters scratching out a living like gypsies.

    • Agree: Sarita
    • Replies: @Sarita
  180. Che Guava says:
    @Che Guava

    Oh well, posting without thinking,

    Little Boy, Hiroshima,

    Fat Man, planned for Kokura, dropped on Nagasaki.

    Correction from memory, noticed immed. after posting, just too embarrassed to say a word.

    If Fat Man had been dropped on Kokura as planned, it would have wrought far more evil on people. Not that dropping it on Nagasaki wasn’t far too evil in itself.

    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
  181. @Che Guava

    But there were no bombs!
    It’s all a judidic sleaze comtainer
    Designed for greater things!
    Bomb, Wow, Bomb,
    Love suki fish.
    Love All.

    • Disagree: Che Guava
  182. @Avery

    lease do: lots of UNZ.com posters will wish you well and breathe a sign of relief of being rid of one more pest that contributes nothing to intellectual discussion here and contaminates UNZ comment threads with random bits of disjointed hateful word salad.

    Definitely one of those posters that makes me wish the IGNORE function made even the username disappear. I mean, if I don’t care about anything they have to say, why should I need to be notified that they’ve posted? I’d rather forget they even exist, and dislike being reminded that they do. (To clarify: I am referring to “Sarita” [ptui] with this comment, not to you.)

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  183. @silviosilver

    Since when do Saritas (Indian or Jewish) care about the lives of Muslims and get outraged because one Muslim sect is killing another?

    • Replies: @Sarita
  184. I’ve said it before under a different article, but it deserves repeating:

    History is repeating itself.

    We are the western Rome that fell apart and was overrun by barbarism, leaping headfirst into a new Dark Age.

    Russia is eastern Rome, upholding Christian civilization for another thousand years as the new byzantine empire.

  185. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Okay putin 🐩– the current one against Ukrainians (duh) and the previous one, known as Holodomor, also against Ukrainians. Between 4 and 7 million died. You have a Lot to learn.

    • Replies: @Avery
  186. Sarita says:
    @Chris Moore

    I wish I could write like you, sir.
    That’s beautifully written.
    That’s the new testament, which is supposedly “wonderful and peaceful”. The Old One is worse;
    real evil.
    Death, rape, killings, looting.
    Boy, no wonder these nomadic grifters are so damned evil. 😆.
    I laugh when I see pedophile Bill Clinton IN CHURCH biting his lips and smearing and licking them with his tongue probably reminiscing one of his trips to Jeffrey’s.
    Crazy shit.
    “Una vaina loca” as the reguetón says.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  187. Seraphim says:
    @Sarita

    You not only walk in shit, you are drowning in it taking with you all the shit flies who take you seriously.

    • Agree: Sarita
  188. Sarita says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Mike,
    I found what I was trying to show you a few days ago when that other guy was using a different name to attack me because I was against the cowardly American wars on poor, innocent people instead of daring to attack Russia or China:
    “The invasion occurred as part of the George W. Bush administration’s so called “War on terror” following the September 11 attacks, despite no connection between Iraq and the attacks.”

    And:

    “At over 2.2 million deaths (2,220,580), this estimate is the closest number published so far. From the poll margin of error of +/-2.5% ORB calculated a range of 1,733,158 to 2,446,063 deaths.”
    All of the dead were innocent; had nothing to do with September eleven.

    Thankyou very much, for your support.
    (Yellow Ribbons 🥀).

  189. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    It looks like the Polacks lack a sense of humor. Perhaps because of their inflated sense of themselves. What was it called? ”Polish messianism”.
    Don’t the Polacks believe that Krakow is the ‘Seventh Chakra’ of the world, where your ‘Slavic Pope’ ”confirmed the nation of Poland” after being himself confirmed by ‘his beloved older brothers in faith’ [a phrase borrowed from the closet Kabbalist Adam Mickiewicz (‘To Israel, the older brother, honour and respect’), who fancied himself as the ‘Messiah’, being ‘half a descendant of Lech and a half Israelite… and proud of it!”] in the Great Synagogue of Rome)? And after ‘consecrating’ (surreptitiously) Russia to the ‘Immaculate Heart of Our Lady of Fatima’ for its ‘conversion’ (to what if not to Judeo-Papism)?
    Stop reading ‘Da Vinci Code’.

  190. Sarita says:
    @Seraphim

    Great comment, Mr. Sephardi

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  191. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    But new religions recently invented. It is heresy to have a narrow moustache! A man with a narrow moustache would be burnt at the stake, for sure! That makes the accusations of witchcraft of a century ago, the killings of so-called witches, look more civilized, more sophisticated, than we are today.

    So what, who, killed civilization? Why?

  192. @YesXorNo

    Homosexuality just is. It should be accepted as reality, celebrated by those who wish to do so, and its practitioners, those almost all BORN to it, protected, like all others, by society.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  193. @mulga mumblebrain

    But homos are protected by the law like all other citizens. It’s been a long time since it was acceptable to assault homos in the street just for being homos, or to discriminate against them in jobs. What more do you want? For them to get away with assaulting heterosexuals and molesting children? For them to discriminate against heterosexuals in jobs? Believe me this is what is now going on and has been happening ever since they were allowed to be considered a separate, protected entity, above other members of society. They are citizens and that’s all that they should be, not some separate group, yet alone some group with some privileges over and above any other citizens.

    • Agree: TitusAlone
  194. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Sarita

    I laugh when I see pedophile Bill Clinton IN CHURCH biting his lips and smearing and licking them with his tongue probably reminiscing one of his trips to Jeffrey’s.

    Bill Clinton’s “church” is the Synagogue of Satan, same as ((Jeffrey Epstein’s)). Bill Clinton has been an Oxford Zionist since forever.

  195. Avery says:
    @Anon

    [Don’t be shy: spell it out, so we can dismantle your false accusation.] (Avery)

    [the current one against Ukrainians (duh) and the previous one,] (Anon[123])

    Here it comes, the ‘dismantling’.

    Just as I suspected: another uneducated, run-of-the-mill idiot*.
    Any idiot who labels the SMO a, quote, ‘genocide’ is too stupid to grasp the concept.
    Go and read up on the definition of Genocide: you might learn something. Maybe.
    Your brain may not have developed beyond 5 or 6 years old.
    So hard to tell how much your arrested development brain can grasp.

    And I was going to educate you about the so-called Holodomor ‘genocide by Russians’, but you are too stupid. Homework for you little boy/little girl: find out the ethnicity of the Bolshevik in charge of Ukraine policy at the time.

    ___________________________________________
    * I refrain from insulting other posters, unless I am insulted first.
    “Putin poodle”? Shows what unimaginative, low-intellect rabble you are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  196. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    The United Nations has officially declared Putin’s war a genocide. Take your anti psychotic meds, please.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Avery
    , @Avery
  197. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    Wait a little longer and it would be declared a ‘Holocaust’.

  198. Avery says:
    @Anon

    {The United Nations has officially declared Putin’s war a genocide. }

    Show the readers of UNZ.com proof that UN “officially declared” Putin’s war a, quote, “genocide”.

    Go ahead: myself and many UNZ readers are eager for you to show us proof that United Nations has supposedly “officially” declared the Russian SMO a, quote, “genocide”.

    We can then decide which one of us needs to — Please — take antipsychotic meds.
    Make sure it’s Official UN Genocide Declaration, not some BS opinion by some S____Head hack.
    Hurry up.

  199. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    In that case, it would be of White Christians by a mongoloid.

  200. Seraphim says:
    @Jim H

    Mr. Guyenot doesn’t do a great service to his ritual denunciation of the ‘genocidal Yahvism’ of the OT infecting a ‘doomed Christianity’ sticking to its ‘dogma’ that Jesus Christ is God, by proposing to replace it with the Robespierre’s ‘cult of the Supreme Being’, imposed through the ‘colonnes infernales’ of the ‘Guerre de Vendée’.

  201. Avery says:
    @Anon

    Still looking for the elusive “The United Nations has officially declared Putin’s war a genocide.” ?

    It’s been several hours since your pompous declaration.
    What’s taking youse so long?
    It takes minutes to find things on the internets: what’s the matter?
    Your fingers don’t work so well without taking your prescription meds?

  202. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    Unlike you, I am too busy and don’t spend all my time trolling in my parents basement while eating government cheese. But I digress –you are right, It takes a few minutes, so don’t be lazy and look it up…. I will give you a hint– look for fourth Geneva convention under removal (kidnapping) of children from their country.

  203. Antiwar7 says:
    @anonymous

    You write “given the way that dystopia seems advanced inside their best friend China” and “mass-execution China”. That’s not at all accurate.

    There’s a reason the government in China has over 80% approval ratings, even according to Western-run surveys, and it’s not because they mistreat the people, or make them mostly live in fear and under stress. That’s more like life in the US, for the average person, at least the stress part.

    And as to “mass-execution”, the source everyone uses for that is Amnesty International, and this is what they write about it on their website:

    China remained the world’s leading executioner – but the true extent of its use of the death penalty is unknown as this data is classified as a state secret; the global figures for executions and death sentences therefore exclude the thousands of people that Amnesty International believes to have been sentenced to death and executed in China.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/05/death-penalty-2021-facts-and-figures/

    That sounds pretty vague.

  204. Avery says:

    ” I am too busy”

    No, you are too STUPID.
    And a LIAR.

    This is what you claimed {The United Nations has officially declared Putin’s war a genocide. } you lying POS.

    Don’t try to misdirect by now bringing up some baloney Geneva Convention.
    (you Anon[123] and your new handle Anon [118]: you cowardly scum)
    (too afraid to have your own named handle?)

    You can’t find it because there is no such thing.
    And you are too STUPID to know the difference between a Genocide Declaration and a Geneva Convention.

    You incompetent, ignorant, vile, hate-filled, bigoted lying filth.
    Get lost.

  205. @Seraphim

    Laurent is a victim of the composed nature of Christianity, pagan and Jewish together in one. Since he dislikes “Jahwism”, he must like the pagan elements, which allows us to link him to the gnostic heresies, especially as he sometimes compares Jahwe to Demiurge, who is the bad guy of gnosis. Unfortunately but not surprisingly, Laurent seems to have been strongly attracted to all that Orthodox Sophiology too, which forces female divinity (a cloak of the Great Goddess) upon God, a sign that Orthodox Christianity might be more gnostic than other branches of Christianity.

    Nevertheless it looks like it was his master Adonis who decided to name himself Jesus, as per semi-gnostic Gospel of St John 20:15-16, where Mary Magdalene (presumably the pagan archetype of sacred prostitute) initially identifies Jesus inexplicably as “the gardener”. Jewish cemeteries were not tended gardens even then, so this identification is only understandable in the pagan context of cults of dying/rising god like Adonis or Osiris/Horus. Well, if Adonis himself decided to be cloaked as Jesus, what can poor Laurent do except raging against the Demiurge…?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  206. @Thelma Ringbaum

    So they prefer heretics to schismatics? Interesting. if true. The enemy of my enemy, I guess.

    (Protestants , like Satan, want to destroy the Church [Sola Scriptura!] while Catholics merely disagree on who’s running it)

    Every evangelical I’ve ever heard on the subject (not many, admittedly) thinks Russians need to be sent Bibles so as to convert them from paganism. Whereas every “traditional” Catholic or Anglican wants to convert to Orthodoxy.

  207. @silviosilver

    Vernon’s Spiritual Intelligence looks interesting (i.e., along the lines of my own current thinking) with references to Kastrup and Schopenhauer. Will give it a read.

  208. Mary says says:

    Russia is Christian?

    Putin is a brute and Russia is a mess.

    Russia is bombing Ukrainian Christian civilians and siding with genocidal Turkey and Azerbaijan against ally Christian Armenian.

    This love of Russia by some alleged American Christians is laughable.

    If you love Russia so much, go live there.

    But you won’t.

    Hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Avery
  209. @Another Polish Perspective

    Unfortunately but not surprisingly, Laurent seems to have been strongly attracted to all that Orthodox Sophiology too

    What is wrong with Sophiology? Is not the cult of Sophia an ancient Orthodox tradition? If not, please explain to me why Justinian named his great basilica, the beacon to the Christian world, Hagia Sophia?

  210. Iris says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Hello Mr Guyenot. Wishing you a belated Happy Christmas and New Year, and apologies for interjecting.

    Thanks for another enlightening article. I just wanted to share a small reflection and short discussion on the subject of the JFK assassination. All the best.

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_edward-curtin-on-tucker-carlson-and-the-jfk-allegations/#comment-5743622

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  211. @Laurent Guyénot

    What is wrong with Sophiology?

    In short, the discrepancy between cult and its scriptural justification (The Book of Proverbs which sometimes is used as a scriptural ground for Sophiology is one of the more suspicious books of Bible, and the invocation of the Gospel of John has gnostic tones), and intrusive feminity of the later versions of the cult. Maybe Justinian could have said something about it, but instead of writing he decided to build churches. Or maybe not… it is like cult without doctrine, which is another reason why it is kind of repelling… it smells of irrationality, and of intrusiveness, which smells of madness & slavery to forces unknown. And why we need it? Why some form of divine feminity must invade our patriarchal religions?! The Islamic accusation of “ascribing companions to God” actually describe this pretty well. It is not straightforward wrong – there is wisdom of God over us – but it seems somehow unnecessary category to worship Divine wisdom alone. And why it should be feminine? Can’t feminity have its own religion? I would understand yet if it were mainly women who were engaging in the cult of Mary as some sort of emotional comfort, but in fact its strongest devotees seem to be men.

    The Neoplatonism-influenced concept of Sophia is of course more sophisticated than the idea of Mary-the-perfect-vessel-of-God, but there are absolutely no reasons for it to be “female”, or “male” for that matter. I think it became more clear in Western Christianity when the Holy Ghost – symbolized by the white dove of Sophia – became vessel for the alleged female side of God in feminist theology. Why this obsession with sex in gods? it even took to Judaism in the form of Shekina. Isn’t this veiled obsession with sin about sin becoming part of God in the end…Unlike her son, Mary is said to be perfect human being, whereas Jesus comes from the imperfect lines of female sinners, of Tamar, Rahab, Bathsheba. It is like humanity was to realize itself in female, not man. Moreover, in Orthodoxy the figure of Mary Magdalene is much more pronounced than in Catholicism – the main Orthodox church in Warsaw, aside which I lived for a year, is devoted to Mary Magdalene – which brings this conflagration of sin and virtue even more to the front.

    Well, I suppose it is not very scriptural…. and when it is, the female characters we worship bear substantial resemblance to pagan archetypes, an example being Mary the mother, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the Virgin corresponding to Demeter, Aphrodite and Artemis, three types of the Great Mother, which I do not really know where in mythology she did come from originally, but certainly has staying power… It was said that the Great Mother was above gods themselves, and certainly there are traces of such thinking in the cult of Mary whom God is said to be unable to deny any wish, which effectively means that Mary either commands God (= is higher than God) or is an indispensable part of God himself (= they are the same).
    Robert Graves tried some reconstruction of Great Goddess cult in “Seven days in New Crete” where he stresses exactly her irrationality and even her cruelty (from our point of view). That is nowadays hidden under the all-encompassing mercy of Mary, of which those only will not experience who are not Mary’s devotees, which again is rather feudal and irrational concept, Mary being a feudal lady taking care of her own.

    I understand certain attraction of Orthodoxy as in a way more harmonious version of Christianity – it is like exchanging via crucis, prominent in Catholic Churches, for Christ Pantokrator – the latter has some soothing effect, in fact, whereas via crucis rather brings dissonance into life. But I was always appalled by the Marian Cult, whether in its Catholic or Orthodox form as something so unnecessary that it has become irrational. And wasn’t Christianity to be essentially a rational religion, a new contract aka the new covenant? So why more than 50% of Catholic Churches are devoted to different emanations of Mary, as we were to worship a messenger instead of a message…?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  212. @Laurent Guyénot

    Some time ago I was rather shocked hearing Czesław Miłosz in radio when he disparaged official Polish Catholicism BUT went to great length to stress how he adores
    “folk religiosity centered on Mary”. Apparently Milosz believed in some kind of natural/naturalized, not scriptural religion (an ethnoreligion?), of which cult of Mary was to be an example, but it smelled as devotion to Great Mother, as he read the cult for the reality of its religion.

    Interestingly, the figure of Maria almost immediately evolved to being royalty, despite lack of any clear intronization by God, and the general lack of sympathy for royalty on the side of God, who is to be the only ruler of the world. Well, talk about Mary taking over attributes of God as previously noted. But Mary-as-a-queen-of-heaven-and-earth is too much to bear for me. We would have two royal lines joining in Jesus – that of Mary and that of David.
    In connection with rather obsessive demand that Messiah must be from the Davidic line and only from the Davidic line (scripturally poorly grounded nonetheless), it actually evokes some biologic notion of family in quasi-gnostic ways of Wachowskis as in their ridiculous movie ‘Jupiter ascending”, where the concept of Holy Grail was transformed into genetic (i.e. biologic) royalty, recognized of course by bees (attribute of Kybele BTW). That such deeply royalist movies (in the sense of belief in the divine/cosmic rights of kings) are made in USA is already more shocking than amusing… but well, one of the very few court historians of NWO, Simon Sebag Montefiore, has already started an advertisement drive for his new book which presents the history of the world as the history of very few “families”.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-world-history-by-pop-historian-simon-sebag-montefiore-is-a-family-affair/

    Even Laurent is often playing just a French troubadour to some Celtic royalty which he calls “Kennedys”. Laurent, where did you get this personalistic vision of history? I am sensitive to this since once I had to write an exam essay titled: “Is history of the Late Roman Republic a personalistic one? Discuss.” So, discuss.

  213. @Seraphim

    I am a bit tired with this stereotype of Polish Catholicism, which is supposed to win Moscow thrones for non-Polish catholic monarchs like Vasas, who never were truly messianic in its outreach anyway. There was a time when Poles were as lacklustre in religious feeling as Czechs, but the imports from Lithuania and Ruthenia, like Mickiewicz and Słowacki, changed that. Fatima has nothing to do with Poland, there are no apparitions of Mary in Poland so this is all imported, and kind of forced upon Poles in some closeted Frankist way, in the way “coronation of Mary as the queen of Poland” was.

    As for Mickiewicz, well, his concept of Wallenrodism seems to be only still relevant… interestingly, Mickiewicz wrote “Konrad Wallenrod” in Russia and dedicated it to the tzar. And now none else than Wladimir Putin more and more looks like Konrad Wallenrod type on the side of Chabad – Lubavitsch, themselves Wallenrods of Sephardim (Maimonides being their main authority) among Askhenazim. Putin is on the way to lose a war and then make a final war – nuclear one to destroy the evil white patriarchy once and for all, and finally avenge all the non-white people of the world, among whom he probably places even Russians as he has some Eurasian leanings…
    So no, focus now should be not on Poland but on Russia.

  214. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    What’s wrong with ‘Sophiology’ is that it has little to do with Orthodoxy. It was a ‘philosophical divagation’ of Gnostic inspiration, of the wayward lapsed ‘Orthodox’ (convert to Catholicism with a tinge of Judaism – at odds with the Orthodox Tradition) Vladimir Soloviov, embraced by Marxist converts to the speculative ‘Orthodoxy’ of the delirious symbolism of the Russian ‘Silver Age’, like Sergei Bulgakov, Pavel Florenski and Nicolay Berdyaev. They are the inventors of the supposed ‘Russian messianism’, ‘Russian Idea’ as the basis of Russian ‘Imperialism’ and ‘bolshevism’. ‘Sophiology’ was dully condemned as a ‘heresy’ by the Orthodox Church. Anyway, the ‘Institut de théologie orthodoxe Saint-Serge’ (or its transatlantic spawn the ”St. Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary”) does not represent ‘Russian Orthodoxy’.

    There was never a ‘cult of [the Gnostic] Sophia’ in the Orthodox Tradition. For the Orthodox the ‘Wisdom’ is a ‘divine name’, a ‘name of God’, an aspect of ”Christ the Logos”, ”Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God”.
    ‘I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:1-16).

    Justinian basilica was not the ”Church of the Holy Wisdom”, but ”Ναὸς τῆς Ἁγίας τοῦ Θεοῦ Σοφίας” (”The Church of the Holy Wisdom of God” – the ‘Logos’) dedicated to a ‘divine name’ of God. It was in fact built by Constantine along the “Church of Hagia Eirene, Ἁγία Εἰρήνη, (Holy Peace or Divine Peace) which was also dedicated to a divine name, “Peace of God” (”But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us” – Eph 2:14).

  215. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Nobody can stop you to wallow in the BS of ‘Da Vinci Code’, ‘The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail’, “Mary Magdalen the wife of Jesus”, ”The White Goddess” and other ’emanations’ of Mary. But please don’t throw it at us.

  216. Seraphim says:
    @Wokechoke

    ”Catherine appears to have gone native as Ekaterine. Or even Yekaterin”.
    It was not ‘Catherine’ who have gone ‘native’. It was the Princess Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg who was given the name Yekaterina/Ekaterina Alexeyevna when she was baptized Orthodox, in honor of Ekaterina I, the second wife of Peter the Great, Empress from 1725 until her death in 1727 and mother of Empress Elisaveta, the mother-in-law of Sophie. She did not ‘go native’ because she had Russian lovers (although it certainly helped), especially Potemkin, possibly her secret husband and much of a ‘power next to the throne’. The present ‘war’ is about Potemkin’s legacy.

  217. Seraphim says:
    @Mary says

    Ukrainians are bombing Russian Christian civilians and hunting them out of their churches. Are Ukrainians ‘Christians’ when they ‘worship’ the Dazhbogs, Svaroshits, Peruns, Mokosh, Mat Zemlya and scores of other ‘Rodnovery’ carnival figures (led by the ‘piano player organ’ of the buffoon in chief – maybe that’s what you like)?

  218. Seraphim says:
    @Sorel McRae

    Why should he name them explicitly? There is no doubt that the ‘West’ is thoroughly Judaized, even at the ‘genetic level’. Not naming ‘them’ explicitly is depriving them of their favorite talking point ‘antisemitism’. ‘They’ fume that they can’t clamor all and sundry that they are ‘persecuted’ in Russia.
    That the Russians appear to cuddle them is the application of Sun Tzu’s dictum:“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

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  219. @Seraphim

    Interestingly, I did not read “Da Vinci Code”. I am therefore afraid that these ideas are much more spread out around our culture than just in a single book. I repeat, I did not get them from this book but from study of mythology, history and religions. It was not “Da Vinci Code”, but my everyday walk aside of Orthodox Metropolitan Cathedral of Saint Mary Magdalene in Warsaw which made me notice Mary Magdalene character as something more than a side character of Gospels. The said Cathedral has gravitas that “Da Vinci Code” has not. You don’t name the main church of the country after someone unimportant. You see? Orthodox cult practice led me astray, creating dissonance in my faith…!

    I did read Olga Tokarczuk “Books of Jacob”, though, and she does not forget there about Shekina as well as presents Jacob Frank as recognizing the holy character of the Sanctuary of Mary in Częstochowa. Frankism has never been codified, but seems to be attentive to all these “female faces of God”.

    If many people are having similar religious ideas, they are or become a religion, whether we like it or not, and therefore these ideas should be analysed as religion.

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  220. @Seraphim

    OK, I guess that’s a strategy, if unevenly applied. (Weren’t we just congratulating the ROC on its courageous forthrightness on the same question elsewhere? Seems it would have the same effect in both.)

    Of course, increasing numbers of Westerners, even Anglo-Saxons, are waking up to the JQ these days (you may run into one or two here on Unz) and an even greater number question the mainstream narratives about why we should hate Russia (you can even see a bit of that in Congress and on Tucker Carlson, the most widely watched cable news). Some are even putting the two together and reaching conclusions. But if you think Sun Tzu would advise you to demonize all Western gentiles as “genetic” Russophobes and therefor your ethnic enemies, who am I to tell you otherwise.

    You will be freely supplying the neocons with credible answers to the questions normies are increasingly posing. But don’t worry, I’m sure the Jews will stop clamoring about anti-semitic persecution in Russia any day now!

  221. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Mary Magdalene is not a ‘side character’ of Gospel. She is quite central, as a follower disciple, a witness of the crucifixion and resurrection, one of the three Myrrhbearers (Greek: Μυροφόροι; Latin: Myrophorae; Serbian: мироноснице; Slavonic: Жены́-мѷроносицы; Romanian: mironosiţe): Mary Magdalene, Mary of Clopas, Mary Salome who came to the tomb and witnessed the Resurrection. She was the first person to discover that Jesus’ tomb was empty, first to inform the Apostles, the first person the Risen Jesus spoke to. The Church hailed her as ‘equal to the Apostles’ (but not an Apostle as the feminist ‘thealogians’ affirm) because she was sent by the Lord Himself, to proclaim the Resurrection. Tradition has that she travelled to Rome, accompanied by Martha and Lazarus, where she accused Pilate before Tiberius for his unjust condemnation of the Lord Jesus and witnessing for the Resurrection. Reasons enough to account for the exalted role ascribed to her.
    The sanctuary of “Mary’ in Czestochova is of ”Mary the Mother of God”.

  222. @Seraphim

    So what!?

    Yes, you are absolutely right!

    It’s all 100% pure insane bullshit, isn’t it? Who in their right minds believes all this hyper fantastical infantile judaic crap?

  223. @Seraphim

    ….one of the three Myrrhbearers (Greek: Μυροφόροι; Latin: Myrophorae; Serbian: мироноснице; Slavonic: Жены́-мѷроносицы; Romanian: mironosiţe): Mary Magdalene, Mary of Clopas, Mary Salome who came to the tomb and witnessed the Resurrection.

    So why we never see churches – at least in the Catholic world – dedicated to Mary of Clopas or Mary Salome….? It would certainly help to distinguish them if they had some other name than “Mary”, yet I am always amazed how unequally the cult of saints is spread… The fact alone that Mary Magdalene spoke first to Jesus – and YET MISTAKEN HIM FOR A GARDENER which kinds of denies her powers of discernment – does not seem to be enough for such a strong cult.

    The Church hailed her as ‘equal to the Apostles’ (but not an Apostle as the feminist ‘thealogians’ affirm) because she was sent by the Lord Himself, to proclaim the Resurrection.

    Where Jesus commands her to be His messenger…?!

    She does not look like equal to the Apostles, rather higher than them…. again, there is amazing dearth of churches dedicated to the Apostles (show me a church dedicated to Saint Filip of Betsaida, ha), suggesting their practical lack of importance apart from St Peter and maybe St Thomas. Logically, they should be the most worshipped after Jesus. On the other hand, churches of St Mary Magdalene abound, especially in the Orthodox world.

    Tradition has that she travelled to Rome, accompanied by Martha and Lazarus, where she accused Pilate before Tiberius for his unjust condemnation of the Lord Jesus and witnessing for the Resurrection.

    This is obviously wrong, since as a woman and no-Roman citizen she would have a great trouble to present herself before Tiberius. On the other hand, I appreciate the concept of sending a former prostitute to that great lecher of Capri, Tiberius. It could even turn into some story of conversion of a lecher by a prostitute…. it seems the story was in the making but it did not make to the end. So at least Eusebius in his Church History 2.2.1-3:

    “And when the wonderful resurrection and ascension of our Savior were already noised abroad (in early 30’s), in accordance with an ancient custom which prevailed among the rulers of the provinces, of reporting (by an Acta) to the emperor the novel occurrences which took place in them, in order that nothing might escape Pontius Pilate informed Tiberius of the reports which were noised abroad through all Palestine concerning the resurrection of our Savior Jesus from the dead. He gave an account also of other wonders which he had learned of him, and how, after his death, having risen from the dead, he was now believed by many to be a God. They say that Tiberius referred the matter to the Senate, but that they rejected it, ostensibly because they had not first examined into the matter, for an ancient law prevailed that no one should be made a God by the Romans except by a vote and decree of the Senate, but in reality because the saving teaching of the divine Gospel did not need the confirmation and recommendation of men. But although the Senate of the Romans rejected the proposition made in regard to our Savior, Tiberius still retained the opinion which he had held at first, and contrived no hostile measures against Christ.”

    But alas, we had to wait for Constantine and his mother Helene for that….Helene was said to be a prostitute too. Well, amazing how prostitution seems to be popular in the circle of female disciples of Christ… Plus, in the Catholic tradition Mary Magdalene is sometimes depicted in a way otherwise Devil or his temptresses are depicted, with a lot of hairs. Again, strange, this accentuating of things which should not be noted among people of God. We do not want talk about Devil, but we will show him, hm. After watching such things, if I were a poor peasant without knowledge of Scripture, one who has to rely on Biblia pauperum only, I would probably came to the conclusion that a female devil will be redeemed after all.

  224. @Another Polish Perspective

    I should note that the attached picture of hairy Mary Magdalene comes from South Germany. That has been an area where the character of “Wild Man” was popular in mythology and iconography (nowadays still is popular – during carnevale/Fasnacht).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_man

    “Renaissance engravers in Germany and Italy were particularly fond of wild men, wild women, and wild families, with examples from Martin Schongauer (died 1491) and Albrecht Dürer (1471–1528) among others.”

    So I suppose that a poor South German peasant would see in this depiction of Mary Magdalene – a pagan wild woman who is about to be redeemed as well. But we have to ponder the meaning of willingness of an artist to cast Mary Magdalene as a pure pagan character…. Was the artist a crypto-pagan…?

  225. I’ve got some pictures on the side of my box of Cornflakes, why don’t you worship them?

    I’m Mary, I’m, Mary, look at me, I’m Mary!

    You probably think she’s wearing today the same panties she had on then. Or don’t you think that practically?

    Don’t you think Mary, even if she is real, has been given a break by the authorities in heaven. Maybe now she’s a typist in the new soul arrival bureau, or maybe she’s tired of waiting around and she reincarnated ‘one last time’ and now’s a female Lt. Colonel of Intelligence in the Israeli Army? Or maybe she’s an activist in the anti-Circumcision Centre, Cincinnati?

  226. @Psychotic Break

    You are an example of a result to which the excessive cult of Mary(s) leads: GENDER DYSPHORIA!

    Let me remind you about this time-honoured solution for your problem, a solution potentially for all male worshippers of female deities:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli

    Let us not be mistaken too – Catholic priests can be looked upon as spiritual-functional eunuchs. The Orthodox have been more clever in this respect, even if they do not recognize the pagan roots of celibate…

    But best of all, as a male worship only male deities. So you will avoid the split personality.

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  227. @Another Polish Perspective

    That’s not it. You’re too clever for your own good, and burrowing up your own butthole.

    We have a Jewish god, a Jewish devil, a Jewish saviour, Jewish money, Jewish central banks, Jewish news media, Jewish entertainment, Jewish judiciary, Jewish (freemasonic) law enforcement, Jewish social media, were all being injected by deadly Jewish bio-weapons by Jewish pharmaceutical corporations, all controlled by Jewish bankers and Jewish politicians who want to kill all to get what’s not already Jewish. And you literally go out of your way to find another Jew (Mary) to ‘worship’; this time in an as yet hypothetical Jewish heaven, as if those Jews we’ve got weren’t real enough for you.

    Maybe if you pray nicely enough to Mrs. Christ, she’ll tell her son Jesus to stop being such a naughty boy.

  228. Avery says:
    @Mary says

    {Russia is bombing Ukrainian Christian civilians and siding with genocidal Turkey and Azerbaijan against ally Christian Armenian}

    If you don’t know something, don’t advertise it by confidently posting an assertion that is completely and provably false.

    You don’t know squat about Armenia*.
    Russia is not allying with either Azerbaijan or Turkey against Armenia.
    Russia is doing her best to mitigate a very messy geopolitical situation created by………Armenian people themselves, who decided to commit suicide by voting for SorosaAgent Pashinoglu PM, and compounded their stupidity by AGAIN voting for the Party of Traitors after the disastrous loss against Azerbaijan (+Turkey+Israel+MI6/British Petroleum + ISIS) in September 2020.

    As to the Ukrainians: Germany in 1941 was also (Catholic) Christian, yet they killed and murdered 25-27 million (Orthodox) Christian Slavs, including Ukrainian Slavs.

    In WW1, mostly Christian nations killed each other in the millions.
    Christians kill other Christians, Muslims kill other Muslims, Buddhists kill other Buddhists…..since the “discovery” of religion.

    Ignoramus.

    ________________________________________
    * I am of Armenian ancestry, originally from Armenia SSR, before USSR collapsed.
    I know more about what’s going on in Armenia than you ever will.

  229. TrueIrish says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    “Christianity is doomed … unless it can overcome its own dogmas”? Lol. It survived 2000+ years believing in what we like to call truth. Removing these truths from Catholicism, I can’t speak for other denominations, would mean that people are reverting to something that is fundamentally not Catholic – that would be far more damaging. Take a trip to a liberal city, take Seattle, walk around the University District and see the remains of the once plentiful Protestant churches that clustered around the campus, sone very historic ones were torn down over the last year, others fly their rainbow flags and BLM flags and are empty, soon to be demolished I am sure. The point is that the further a “Christian” church moves from truth, the closer it moves to its doom. The problem with church attendance is a secular one, not a Christian one. The powers that be wage endless wars, abort babies on demand, allow narcotic pedaling and we are surprised that people don’t want to face truth? To see the truth means that one has to also confront the lies.

    I would highly recommend a very interesting documentary on the Shroud of Turin, it addresses the challenges to the Shroud’s legitimacy through a team of scientists who were given permission to perform tests on it. In sum, the earlier tests that were relied on to claim that the Shroud was a something other than Jesus burial cloth, was shown to have been based upon the sample for those tests which was a patch to the Shroud after a medieval fire, thus, the erroneous carbon dating. What the more recent tests show are that the cloth is a continuously woven cloth that would be expected of someone from wealth (see Joseph of Aramathia would provided it), that it’s age is in fact consistent with it being authentic, that the blood was human blood, that the wounds to the back, forehead and extremities were consistent with Jesus having been first subjected to flogging with a cat of nine tails (Roman method of punishment typically used for non-capital offenses), and cruxification. Jesus was subjected to both which was unusual at the time. In addition, plant spores, I believe a particular mustard, were found that are consistent with a plant only found in that region. Finally, a photographic expert, Barry Schwartz, examined the cloth and found that the image is not painted or dyed, but rather, consistent with a bright flash that imprinted the cloth with a photographic image. In all, the documentary is very interesting. In fact, Barry Schwartz now maintains a website in the Shroud, although it did not convince him to cover from Judaism, he believes that it is real. So, whether you believe or not us your business, but there is other evidence that the resurrection happened, that is, besides the eyewitness accounts from the Bible. Every apostle and disciple but one suffered a martyrs death. They were either crazy, lying or truthful. You decide, read the Bible.

    I would also suggest reading about “Our Lady of Gaudalupe”, it is a fascinating account.

  230. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    How many churches dedicated to Mary Magdalene do you know in the Orthodox world where they supposedly ‘abound’?
    I am sorry to tell you, but you are really a ”poor peasant without knowledge of Scripture, one who has to rely on ‘Biblia pauperum only”. Not the comic-strip ‘Bibles’ printed in Germany, not for the illiterate ‘poor’ (they were very expensive, and they had text anyway), but the Youtube ‘documentaries’ genre ”The Untold Truth Of Mary Magdalene”, ”The secret teachings of Mary Magdalene (BANNED Knowledge)”, ”The Gospel of Mary Magdalene – Dr. Elaine Pagels”, ”Gospel of Thomas” and all the crap emanated by the obnoxious ‘gnostic gurus’ that infest the ‘religious studies departments’ of many universities and the virtual space.

  231. Odyssey says:
    @Seraphim

    It would be fair to introduce yourself as a representative of an artificial convert nation with an artificial language (it’s not your fault, and it doesn’t have to be negativity) created by the Jesuits and then present your position. There is an analogy with the current Ukrainians who, for one, want to have existed as a separate entity for thousands of years with their non-existent language, culture, religion, and history. It is also an analogy that both Romanians and now Ukrainians were created to be cannon fodder in an attempt to conquer Russia and destroy Orthodoxy (160 K Romanians got killed under Stalingrad). But instead, you avoid expressing clear views and use nonsense and falsifications.

    The fact is – one DNA haplogroup can only originate in one place and not in several distant places. It is a fact that a language developed from a proto-language can arise in one place without having an identical one that originated in a remote location. Lepenski Vir/Vinca was the cradle of European and world civilization, and it is where the proto-language was born. This is a starting point for all other stories. According to your reference (I guess you read Alinei yourself in the meantime), there was a continuity of the language in the Balkans from the Paleolithic through the Mesolithic, Neolithic, and Iron Age to today. It is an autochthon, and it didn’t come there from anywhere. This language is now called the Serbian language. So, it has been there since the Paleolithic, and all Slavic languages (including a remaining quarter of the Romanian language left after several purification campaigns) and Latin originated from it. Since when can we consider its name – Serbian justified? From the moment the consonant group ‘srb’ was formed, which is earlier than the first industrial revolution in Vinca, that is, metal smelting 7500 years ago.

    The story about Constantine and Methodius as Bulgarians is nonsense. A total lack of knowledge about Bulgarians is apparent. Bulgarians are an Asiatic tribe which came in 590AC to Bessarabia (now Moldavia). They got permission from the Serbian ruler to settle in Walachia. In 677, led by Karan Asparukh crossed the Danube and came to today’s Bulgaria. Indigenous Serbs lived there. There were tensions until the 9th century when Bulgars also converted to Christianity. Their khan Boris became Michael. The original Bulgarian language was not spoken at that time. The Serbian language was spoken without many differences until the 18th c. Bulgarians are more than 90% ethnically Serbs.

    Speaking of the so-called ‘Byzantism’ (btw. ‘Byzantium’ never existed but the Eastern Roman Empire), it should be said that Justinian (and his predecessor, his uncle Justin) was a Serb originally from a passive mountain village in central Serbia. He built Hagia Sophia. The same is the case with Constantine, Diocletian and dozens of other Serbian-Roman emperors who ruled the Western Roman Empire for the last 200 years. So, talking about ‘Byzantism’ and ignoring the previous facts is pointless.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  232. Seraphim says:
    @Odyssey

    I really can’t understand why you insist on proving that you are a dishonest controversialist. The more that you don’t really know what you are talking about with all your ‘serb’ masturbation.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  233. Odyssey says:
    @Tsigantes

    What nonsense and historical falsifications. Who were these newly immigrated Danube Slavs? The biggest hoax in world history without a single piece of evidence. Probably bigger than if the Germans were Goths. Who was Constantine’s father? Did the ancestors of today’s Romanians also immigrate? How, then, can the so-called Slavs who immigrated have the same genetics as the ancestors of the Romanians? Did the natives of Bulgaria also immigrate? How, then, can the so-called Slavs (i.e. Serbs) who immigrated have the same language as those natives? If Constantine and Methodius were Greeks, from whom did they learn Serbian (or whatever language?) to enlighten someone? Whom?

    Who was Justinian? Who was his uncle, the emperor Justin? Who was Diocletian who persecuted Christians and killed Saint George? Who was the emperor Galerius who first issued the edict on tolerance in Serdica (today’s Sofia) in 311 AD? Who were Licinius and Constantine, who issued the Edict of Milan and legalized Christianity? Who were almost all the emperors in the Western Roman Empire in the last 200 years? Why Greeks did not give one single emperor? Who made up the elite legions of the Roman army? Why were the Greeks not in the fighting units of the Roman army? When did the Greeks come to the Balkans? From where? From Africa/ Middle East? Did they bring their Olympic mythology and Olympic spirit from Africa? Who were the natives of today’s Greece before Greeks arrival? Who gave them the name?

  234. Odyssey says:
    @Seraphim

    Can you answer one single question? Are you competing with Cigantes to publish more fakes?

  235. I think some of the points made by Vladimir Solovyov may be as politically relevant as those of Berdayev and Ilyin. I confess I don’t know much about Solovyov, but I do remember his concern that the extremely rapid progress of science in the modern age might leave feeling behind unless a revitalization of religion could fill in the void. After all, religion, though marred by pressure to conform to externalities, has elevated the feeling nature of many for centuries, and I think most would agree that both reason and feeling are needed for the intuition that nourishes spirituality and discovery of truth in general.

    In fact, there is now an especially pressing need to temper technology with something spiritual, but can any existing religion deliver? I have my doubts. In the past century, technology has chipped away at the very capacity of the brain to tune into the spiritual.

    A case to point: lead pollution produced by industry affects the prefrontal cortex development in the fetus and newborn. A smaller prefrontal cortex means less impulse control – the very capacity to lead a spiritual life is diminished, regardless of what dogmas or doctrines are accepted. The eminent geochemist Clair Patterson discovered lead pollution everywhere he looked, even in ultra-clean laboratories, and campaigned against lead pollution for decades, describing lead pollution as “a spiritual catastrophe.” He was so concerned, he even left geochemistry to study brain physiology for a while. For the most part, he received support from neither environmentalists nor churchmen, nor fellow scientists. I found that many of his scheduled speeches at CalTech were cancelled, though the administration resisted efforts of industry to have him dismissed.

    Has there not been spectacular brain damage destroying spiritual potential in the last two years? Billions of people have been forced to take experimental injections that eminent pathologists in several countries have now shown to cause disseminated micro-clots in various organs, including the brain.

    Why is this so spiritually important? Peter Breggin, a researcher who was once instrumental in curtaining the use of electroshock in psychiatry, has pointed out that disseminated micro-clots in the brain (produced by both mRNA injections and electroshock!) will have similar results – reduced cross-functionality in the brain, i. e., large numbers of people with reduced capacity to see two sides of an argument or put themselves in another’s shoes, reduced capacity for compassion! Also more dependence on external authority! Isn’t this potentially a spiritual catastrophe also? Where are the religionists on this issue? Do they even understand that health of the brain has something to do with spiritual capacity? Are they that wrapped up in doctrines?

    Today, Russia seems poised to pursue two goals – technological superiority and a renaissance of religion. If these can be made to go hand-in-hand, it could lead the world out of a very dark place – technology without feeling, the Satanic culture that is now menacing the world. I’m not overly optimistic, but I guess it’s worth a try.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  236. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    Christianity in all its forms is proto-communism. It was designed to control and destroy the gentiles, its literally rat poison. So of course, after seeing the failure of the atheist version, Russia fell back onto it as a more effective method of population control. This entire subject should never consist of more than a paragraph, its a very simple situation to understand, and explain.

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