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Back in 2012, the Trayvon Martin case was my first awakening as a budding young leftist to not only how wrong, but how blindly and aggressively wrong the left could be in its crusades. I remember studying the details of that case before it ever became national news. By collecting a series of locations on the Twin Lakes map and correlating them to various timestamps, it became clear very quickly that Zimmerman’s version of events was correct. It was easy to do this because almost everything happened on recordings. There was only a gap of less than a couple of minutes between the end of Zimmerman’s phone call to dispatch, and the 9-11 calls reporting screams that ended in the sound of gunshot.

The crux of it came down to this: we knew about where George Zimmerman parked his car before stepping out to tell dispatch which way Trayvon Martin was running. We knew about where he was when he ended this phone call, because he reported the address on a nearby street sign. And we knew where Trayvon Martin was running to: his father’s fiancee’s home. These three points form the shape of an L turned 180 degrees to the right, with Zimmerman’s car at the top-left point, Trayvon’s destination at the end of the bottom leg, and the place where Zimmerman ended his phone call near the right-angle turn. The Black Lives Matter activists would have us believe that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon down in the street, provoking and justifying Trayvon’s panicked reaction. But Zimmerman maintained that he had entirely left Trayvon alone and was walking back to his truck when he was jumped and pinned to the ground while Trayvon attempted to slam the back of his head into a concrete curb.

Guess where the altercation took place? It wasn’t in between where Zimmerman ended the phone call and Trayvon’s father’s fiancee’s home. It was in between where he ended the phone call and his truck—which means the facts completely supported his version of events.

You may remember that in the initial outcry over the case, what would soon become the Black Lives Matter movement claimed they just wanted to see the case brought to trial. In the beginning, they presented the matter as if they were open to all possible outcomes, and simply found it astonishing that the case wasn’t tried in court. In retrospect, we know how unhappy they were with the results of their “success” in that endeavor, and it’s clear how fast and heavy mission creep took over.

The key event that transformed this from a small local case in Florida that never even made it to court to a defining national event was the discovery by Martin family lawyer Benjamin Crump of a witness whose testimony was able to bring the case to trial: Rachel “DeeDee” Jeantel. Supposedly, the girlfriend of Trayvon Martin, who was on the phone with him for the entire lead-up to the altercation that ended in Martin’s death.

If you followed that case as closely as I did, it was obvious that something was extremely suspicious about “DeeDee’s” testimony from the very beginning. Benjamin Crump first claimed the star witness he found was 16—she turned out to be 18. Investigators were obviously frustrated by how difficult it was to pull a coherent sentence out of her. Crump sounded as if he was leading the witness even on the tapes we have recordings of—at one point telling her he’s going to start the recording over starting from what she just said and asking her to repeat it “slowly, and clearly.”

A letter was presented at trial that was supposedly given to Sybrina Fulton by Rachel Jeantel, recounting her version of events. The letter was written in cursive, and signed in print at the bottom with the name “Diamond Eugene.” When Rachel was asked in court to read this letter out loud, she admits that she is unable to do so because she doesn’t know how to read cursive. These discrepancies were supposed to be explained by Rachel having dictated the letter to someone else who wrote it for her (although who supposedly wrote it for her was never actually named), and “Diamond Eugene” being a nickname.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve never heard of anyone writing a letter to someone by dictating it to someone else. Why have someone write a letter that you can’t even read over yourself before handing it to the recipient? Rachel couldn’t read or write cursive, but certainly she could read and write in print. Sybrina Fulton clearly hesitated for a long time before handing this letter over detectives. When asked why, she explains that she considered it “personal.” But the short letter has nothing most of us would consider “personal” in it at all—it’s just a rote summary of the Benjamin Crump version of events that was ultimately rejected by the courts.

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While Rachel Jeantel is recounting (or at least being dragged through a recounting of) the story of how she came to introduce herself to Trayvon Martin’s step-mother Sybrina Fulton, the investigators at one point ask, “And then you said to her, ‘My name is Diamond Eugene?’”

Jeantel’s response was telling at the time, and is even more telling now. She looks with her signature deadpan blank stare at the investigator and says, “Don’t say my name. Don’t say my fake name. Don’t say my age. Don’t say my fake age.” (Recall that Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend was announced as a sixteen-year-old before the eighteen-year-old Rachel Jeantel appeared to testify.)

Near the end, Jeantel covers her face with her hands and says, “I feel so guilty.” Investigators ask, “Why?” and she says, “Cuz I ain’t know about it. I ain’t know about it.”

Nobody gave any indication they knew what she meant, and they didn’t press for any further explanation. Didn’t know about what? She obviously knew about the altercation between Martin and Zimmerman, because she was supposed to have been on the phone with Martin the entire time—that was the whole point of her being called in as a witness, was it not? So what did she feel guilty for not knowing about?

A documentary released by Joel Gilbert on April 26, 2020, titled The Trayvon Hoax: Unmasking the Witness Fraud that Divided America, fills in the missing pieces.

To be perfectly clear, it is beyond question now that Rachel Jeantel was not on the phone with Trayvon Martin on that fateful night, because she was not his girlfriend. Thanks to Gilbert’s work, we know exactly who his girlfriend was.

To be perfectly clear, Gilbert’s style as a documentarian is hokey. He drags what could have been an extremely compelling case into a two-hour snoozefest, complete with lectures on racial unity and dramatized videos of him slinging books around in frustration at his initially fruitless efforts to dig through yearbook pictures from schools Trayvon attended. His past work includes one documentary claiming Obama’s biological father is Frank Marshall Davis

But the facts Gilbert exposes in The Trayvon Hoax are public information, easily accessed from Florida records by any FOA request. And they paint a picture that is beyond dispute. Rachel Jeantel was not on the phone with Trayvon Martin on that fateful night. Rachel Jeantel was not Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend. I assumed before that investigators were prodding Jeantel along to give the right story just because she was so obtuse that they had trouble getting the version of the story out of her that they needed. Now I am left without a single shred of doubt that she was coached from nothing—because she was an outright imposter.

If Gilbert is lying about the information he received by FOA, then he will be easily exposed in a short matter of time. But I really doubt that Zimmerman would be leading a major lawsuit over these revelations

Gilbert may be willing to engage in baseless speculation for profit, but he doesn’t strike me as a suicidal idiot willing to alienate even the small base of people willing to indulge him. We don’t need to think Gilbert is a revolutionary thinker to realize the case he makes here is true. It did take him 8 whole years to achieve what anyone could with a few simple public record checks could, anyway. We just need to think he hasn’t faked the documents he displays as support to his points—which anyone could easily check by simply requesting the same records. If the records show what Gilbert shows here, the case is absolutely slam-dunk.

Gilbert shows us an unredacted version of the investigative report that tells how investigators acquired Rachel Jeantel as a witness. Sylvia Fulton first sent them to an address that apparently turned out to be the wrong address, because at that address they were redirected to a completely different one, where they found Rachel Jeantel. Guess who turns out to have lived at that first address? A girl named Brittany Diamond Eugene. Diamond isn’t her nickname, something that could be mistaken or easily covered up—it’s her real, official, legal name. Traffic incident reports in the state of Florida provide us with printed signatures that can be easily confirmed by anyone and show a printed signature that looks identical to the one on the letter that Rachel Jeantel couldn’t read in court.

Text records, which are available by FOA as part of the trial evidence, make it abundantly clear that this Brittany Diamond Eugene is who Trayvon was regularly texting and calling in the weeks leading up to his death. Photos sent by text leave no room at all for doubt, as if there was any left at this point.

Gilbert follows this up with his own sleuthing. After identifying Brittany Diamond Eugene, Gilbert arranges to meet her in person by agreeing to purchase several fashion dresses he sells. While there—and this is recorded on tape—he gets her to sign Christmas cards to people with fake names designed to be similar to words that appear in the letter that was used in the trial. One is “Blessing Turner,” to get her to sign the word “blessing,” a word that appears in the letter.

The first thing he does with this is submit it to Bart Baggett. Baggett has never been accused of indulging fringe conspiracy theories. He’s a court qualified handwriting expert in the field of forensic document examination who has testified in over 85 local and federal US court cases. After saying there’s absolutely no way Rachel Jeantel wrote it, he says he believes it’s more likely that Francine Serve wrote the cursive body of the text, although either she or Diamond Eugene could have.

The second thing he does is submit envelopes Brittany Diamond Eugene licked shut along with trash collected from Rachel Jeantel’s home as DNA samples to Speckin Forensic Laboratories in Michigan. They came back reporting a greater than 99% probability that Rachel Jeantel and Diamond Eugene are half-sisters through the Haitian mother living at Jeantel’s address, Marie Eugene. He follows up that their being half-sisters would explain why Diamond’s second phone number is listed as belonging to a “Daniel Eugene”… who it’s public knowledge is Rachel Jeantel’s brother.

Even if you don’t trust Gilbert’s reports on the results of his own sleuthing, the publicly confirm-able facts—the address on the unredacted investigative report, the fact that a Brittany Diamond Eugene lived there, the fact that the “Diamond Eugene” signatures seen on traffic incident reports and the letter given to Rachel Jeantel in the trial are exact matches—simply leave no room for doubt that his conclusion is right.

All of the unbearable cringe and strangeness of Jeantel’s testimony makes perfect sense with these pieces in place. “Don’t say my name, don’t say my fake name. Don’t say my age, don’t say my fake age.” Jeantel never went by the “nickname” Diamond Eugene—it wasn’t a nickname, it was her half-sister’s actual legal name. Jeantel wasn’t 16—Diamond Eugene was. And at the end, when she says she feels “guilty” because she “didn’t know about it?” It’s clear she knows she isn’t doing a good job of answering the investigator’s questions to get them where they want to go, and she’s getting tired of seeing how frustrated they are as they keep pushing more and more questions. She actually didn’t know any details about the trial, because she was never on the phone with Trayvon that night.

In retrospect, I don’t know why we so readily accepted Rachel Jeantel as a witness in the first place. It is ironic that the camp that considers themselves to be “pro-Trayvon” want us to believe his girlfriend was someone who is obese, and barely intelligent enough to speak a sentence—even well enough to defend him in death. For my part, it seems immediately more plausible that anyone with Trayvon’s lean muscle mass and impulsive attitude would land someone more attractive and interesting than that.

It may set a low bar, but the real Brittany Diamond Eugene is certainly both of those things. I won’t summarize the emotional side of their relationship, because it’s irrelevant to the lawyer’s eye I give to cases like these. But suffice it to say that the documentary shows enough of her behavior to make me think the reason she vanished as a witness (after the initial recorded phone call with Crump, which also gave us a voice that clearly displays neither Rachel Jeantel’s bored tone or slurred incoherence) is because she was too self-absorbed to care what happened to Trayvon one way or another.

 
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  1. You need to some how archive this video. I cant see how this will last on YouTube.
    Thanks for bringing all of this to light. Criminals….. all the way thru the story.

  2. Getaclue says:

    Attorney Crump returning back to his form in the Trayvon Case is now the Attorney for the Georgia “Jogger’s” family and churning that one into yet another “lynching” etc. of an innocent “youth” complete with Glamour Shot photo of the deceased “youth” as we saw in Trayvon and the obligatory ignoring of all evidence, photos etc. that do exist contrary to the “lynching” narrative he is pushing loudly to the Mainslime Media that is of course eating it up and amplifying it without question —

    Crump is also being sued by Zimmerman for defaming him as part of the fake witness Trayvon Case (seems Crump came up with the “witness” and prepped her for her “role” as the “girlfriend” she wasn’t it turns out….) and book Crump wrote about it later — as usual he’s “trying” the YT RAYCISSSS case not in Court but in the compliant Mainslime Media which is helping him in his hate YT efforts, hate YT is a specialty of the Mainslime Media of course as it also is for Crump Esq. — sort of a Southern Al Sharpton with a Law Degree one might opine?

    • Replies: @Wally
  3. A123 says:

    The brown George Zimmerman was a lefty activist who had a history of supporting liberal “race” issues. Trayvon Martin died while attempting to murder a brown race activist.

    It shows how far the Fake Stream Media [FSM] is willing to go to deceive. Their anti-Semitic master George IalamoSoros hates Whites, Christians, and Jews. This was a brown-on-brown incident, yet the liars ran rampant to create a non-existent white-black controversy for the greater glory of SJW Islamic Globalism.

    The single most offensive part of the fakery was the “picture” of Travyon that was 8-10 years out of date. Trayvon was a strength trained football player with substantial physical capabilities. Not a 70-pound elementary school student.

    PEACE 😷

  4. Biff says:

    This dead horse again!
    If only they could’ve off’d each other and spared us the details.

  5. What is important to note is the amount of attention the Jew-media and Jew run US Tyranny put on a possible murder, versus the numerous instances of murderous tyranny inflicted on Americans, white, black, or brown, everyday.

    Propaganda is: Truth, half-truth, lies, and omissions in support of an agenda. Identifying the agenda is the key. I have found that propaganda in general consists of 80% omissions. Rooting out omissions provides the most clarity as to the agenda, and tends to expose the other three within the propaganda.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs, DaveE
    • Thanks: Mefobills, Thomasina
  6. It’s not a dead horse. It’s a script. And we’re suffering through each reenactment.

    • Replies: @mark tapley
  7. roonaldo says:

    Barack’s Lies Matter

  8. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Am I a bad person for thinking Rachel Jeantel didn’t seem like girlfriend material? Poor Trayvon, he just wanted to git home and alphabetize his Skittles so he could git him that scholarship to medical school.

    • LOL: trickster
    • Replies: @trickster
  9. GMC says:

    I can only imagine how an average American – trying to find out the real truth on, any event in the USA , these days , is like Fred Reed trying to find a lost “Diamond ring in a border town. ” If one doesn’t know where to look for relevant information – you are not going to find out the Pravda. No wonder the folks in the US are totally out to lunch , with regards to truthful information , since the MSM is trash talking 24/7. Thanks Unz review for the education and Pravda.

    • Replies: @jsinton
  10. A tragedy as the parents lost their son who acted recklessly but was not a “thug”; and Zimmerman who got his life destroyed etc.

    but also a sordid tale of ambulance chasing profiteering and farcical court proceedings and media that just could not get the facts straight.

    I wafollowed the court proceedings and there was indeed a total disconnect what went on there and how it was presented in the media. (the media was the ultimate villain in this case) It was bizarre, like one of the prosecution’s witnesses, an audio expert, was half deaf, and the defense exploited that questioning the expert in slightly lower than normal voice, so the expert was constantly asking what did you say? I didn’t hear … a wrestling dummy was used by Zimmerman’s defense attorney to demonstrate how Trayvon was dishing out ground and pond strikes from the mounted position as testified by a guy who saw it happening in front of his window … the guy was afraid of his life and he gave his testimony behind a curtain … Zimmerman had taken MMA classes but his trainer estimated his ability on a scale of 1 -10 as 1 … must have been humiliating … how to escape from the mount is basic stuff in MMA training

    the problems around Ms Rachel Jeantel’s testimony were discussed extensively, but if memory serves, my assumption was that she had been “catfishing” …

    the record should be set straight.

    Two prominent African American intellectuals — Brown University economist Glenn Loury and Columbia University linguist John McWhorter — found “The Trayvon Hoax” sufficiently persuasive to discuss it in-depth on two episodes of Loury’s talk show on Bloggingheads.tv, and to underscore the point that no one should cling to a narrative just because it supports their social and political views.

    The main problem with “The Trayvon Hoax” is that Gilbert is something of a right-wing crackpot, as Loury and McWhorter readily acknowledged. …

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-trayvon-zimmerman-anniversary-lawsuits-documentaries-zorn-20200222-kef4togy6va3blp23l37qu2knu-story.html

    (like later with Russia/Spy/Obamagate, Sundance of Conservative Treehouse did remarkable obsessive-compulsive investigating in granular detail .. that was then one of my go to sites)

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Skeptikal
  11. CantSleep says:

    So happy to see this topic on Unz!!

    I stumbled on to the doc a week ago, and shocked at how conclusive the evidence was and dismayed at how almost no one was talking about it, especially with Crump back in the news.

    I remember back then thinking how competent Zimmerman’s defense attorney Mark O’Mara seemed and watching his TV interviews at the time he convinced me on Zimmerman’s story of events. But how the hell did he miss this?! Wow.

    I have respect for Gilbert for being the person to get this out there(and also recently making it free to view on youtube) but it seems apparent that his style and baggage must be holding this story back from getting picked up, investigated and further analyzed.

    The film is a stylistic mess for the reasons you mentioned. I will add that it was also severely lacking the emotional payoff/conclusion of seeing either Diamond Eugene or George Zimmerman confronted with this new evidence. Even if she denied it, we would have rather seen that than the unnecessary/redundant handwriting and dna sleuthing. Perhaps Zimmerman didn’t want to say anything else on camera in lieu of the new lawsuit this investigation prompted, if so Gilbert should have at least said that.

    I really hope Zimmerman’s lawsuit gets a fair consideration by the courts, and ideally a trial so we can all see the dirty laundry. The teenagers in this story are all despicable in their actions and deceit but there are adults that need to be held accountable for what they did. Crump should be disbarred, instead he has national prominence and several offices around the country.

    American History books for the rest of time will write about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. It would be nice if the actual truth were included in the understanding of that history, instead of yet another lie etched on to their stone tablets.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anonymous
    , @Curle
  12. This is black justice in the raw. Whites were stupid to bring this savage race to the West.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  13. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Huntley Haverstock? LOL!

    • LOL: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @obwandiyag
  14. 450.org says:

    Hoax is a misleading and overwrought term. It implies something didn’t happen and something clearly happened. Trayvon is dead.

    That being said, there is overlap between the Trayvon Martin shooting death and the Ahmaud Arbery shooting death. Both shootings were perpetrated by wannabe cops playing cops and robbers and both involved the shooting of a black male. Other than that, the cases diverge more than they converge.

    Zimmerman was within the law and he had every right to profile Martin considering we all profile to a certain extent. I profile someone in a hoody regardless of whether they are white or black. If I can’t see your face, I find you automatically suspicious. Why the need to hide your face? Martin was hiding his face and it’s a fact the previous vandals in Zimmerman’s neighborhood, the reason for the watch, wore hoodies. Zimmerman had a right to be suspicious considering recent behavior by youthful vandals in his neighborhood. Also, Zimmerman, as you rightly point out here and prove, did not hunt Martin down. He followed and observed but he did not confront Martin and provoke him imminently. Martin had easy egress back to his father’s place. He chose instead to circle back and attack Zimmerman and that precipitated Zimmerman acting in self-defense and shooting Martin.

    The same cannot be said for the Ahmaud Arbery shooting death. Travis & Gregory McMichael & Roddy Bryan quite literally hunted Arbery down and created a crunch where he was trapped. Byran brought up the rear and in the video it’s clear Bryan was locking & loading when he rounded the bend and saw Arbery was blocked by Travis and Gregory McMichael with their guns drawn and ready to open fire or at least Travis’s was. They trapped and cornered Arbery thus provoking a fight response in him. He had to fear for his life and he impulsively and instinctually defended himself. Sure, an argument can be made that his strategy for defending himself was rather foolish, but then again, when you are in fear for your life, you don’t always make the most intelligent choices if you have any options at all and Arbery didn’t have many options.

    Gregory and Travis McMichael and Roddie Bryan’s behavior was very distinct from Zimemrman’s behavior. Zimmerman followed and surveilled but did not chase down and corner and trap with his gun drawn. Martin circled back and attacked Zimmerman when he had opportunity to just go back to his father’s place. Arbery had no egress. He was being chased down and cornered. He had no egress.

    Also, Arbery, despite what the goons in this commentary say, did not appear suspicious from a profiling perspective. Despite the lies he was wearing Timberland boots, he was wearing sneakers and cargo shorts and yes many people jog in cargo shorts. Arbery was not wearing a hoodie and it wasn’t night. Unlike in the Zimmerman case where there had been documented and testified to vandalism in the neighborhood by hooded vandals, there is no such documented record of such activity in the Satilla Shores neighborhood despite what Travis & Gregory McMichael claimed. Also, it was broad daylight and the Zimmerman shooting took place at night.

    These two cases are apples versus oranges. They are more distinct than they are alike. Zimmerman didn’t profile Martin because he was black, he profiled him because he was hooded and therefore resembled the vandals who had been vandalizing the neighborhood. Travis & Gregory McMichael, on the other hand, profiled Arbery because he was black.

    Zimmerman has since shown he is a scumbag but he was within the law and what he did was lawful. Not so with Travis & Gregory McMichael.

  15. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    A123 writes:

    “ . Their anti-Semitic master George IalamoSoros hates Whites, Christians, and Jews. ”

    I respond:

    No.

    Victor Orban and sensible nationalists in Hungary recognize George Soros for the #1 enemy he is and always was :

    The international J money changer , cult marxist destroyer of civilizations.

  16. WJ says:

    I was fairly certain it was con job when I first heard about it. Then I saw sweet Trayvon’s Tweets. No Limit N….ga had quite the social media profile.

  17. eah says:
    @A. Hipster

    A general note:

    A documentary released by Joel Gilbert on April 26, 2020, titled The Trayvon Hoax: Unmasking the Witness Fraud that Divided America, fills in the missing pieces.

    Actually it was “released” some time ago: I paid to watch it (on Vimeo) in 2019 — apparently it can now be watched umsonst on YouTube.

    The main problem with “The Trayvon Hoax” is that Gilbert is something of a right-wing crackpot, …

    Of course there’s no such thing as a ‘left-wing crackpot’, as everyone knows — but if there was, Zorn might be a candidate, judging by his rabidly anti-Trump Twitter timeline — he’s not a fan of white people generally either –> “Trump has said he loves the uneducated, and they love him back! White people in general…. sigh.”.

    The speculation re whether or not Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s father arises in part due to the physical resemblance — also due to things like this:

    Dreams From My Real Father: The Intimate Ann Dunham – Frank Marshall Davis Relationship

    Racy photos of Barack Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, have recently surfaced in vintage fetish and bondage magazines. The photos, taken at Frank Marshall Davis’ house in Honolulu, appeared in Bizarre Life, Exotique, Secret Pleasures, and Battling Babes. They help illustrate the intimate relationship between Dunham and Davis.

    The issue could be quickly resolved via DNA tests — but like any questioning of the canon of Saint Obama, that would be deemed racist.

    • Replies: @anonymous jew
  18. @450.org

    “and yes many people jog in cargo shorts”

    literally no one does this. nice try with your entire ridiculous comment tho

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  19. Saggy says: • Website

    This article is perfectly insane. The shooting of Trayvon Martin was recorded (audio) via a 911 call that was in progress when it occurred. You can hear the victim, Martin, shout ‘help’ just before a gunshot. Martin was stalked and confronted by an armed vigilante and shot while pleading for help, and it was recorded. His crime was going out for a box of Skittles.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Troll: anarchyst
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  20. @A123

    The main stream media (MSM) is largely Jewish owned and operated and as to Soros, who makes is illicit dough on Wall street, would not be where he is financially without the support of the Jewish community at large, notwithstanding his alleged role in the WWII. And as to Zimmerman’s white father, is he a Christian or a Jew … MSM doesn’t let that cat out of the bag. Why?

    • Replies: @A123
  21. anarchyst says:
    @450.org

    The same cannot be said for the Ahmaud Arbery shooting death. Travis & Gregory McMichael & Roddy Bryan quite literally hunted Arbery down and created a crunch where he was trapped.

    Your statement is incorrect.

    Arbery could have run the other way and avoided the two white men.

    Arbery CHOSE to run towards the white men, made an attempt to attack and disarm the white man. THAT was his “mistake”.

    Fortunately, he was given a well-deserved “dirt nap”…He won’t be casing anymore houses for future burglaries. His “team” will have to find a new player.

  22. Gunga Din says:

    If this account is true, then it had to be Crump who got Jeantel to lie and passed her off as her sister. And now, he’s representing the Arbery family? He SHOULD be disbarred. A southern Al Sharpton with a law degree is a pretty accurate description.

  23. usNthem says:

    This incident (along with Ferguson & Baltimo) was my true awakening to reality of black dysfunction and how the media revels in it as well as the idea it’s always YT’s fault. They were so desirous of a White being the shooter, they invented the term “white hispanic” which no one most likely ever heard before – I know I hadn’t. That and (mentioned in an earlier comment) always showing the childhood pic to generate sympathy – just like the mike brown graduation photo and the recent “jogger” in his tux – instead of the loutish reality.
    The msm has much to answer for and hopefully that day isn’t too far down the road.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  24. Republic says:

    A DNA sample could probably be obtained from Barrack Obama’s half brother,Malik Obama,now living in Kenya,who said that he would vote for Trump.

    DNA samples also could be obtained for a financial consideration from one of the 5 children of Franklin Davis Marshall.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  25. vot tak says:
    @Anon

    But hey, it’s another opportunity for the monkeys to shriek, jump up and down and fling their faeces randomly about. At least, hopefully, giving the drama queens a platform to vent their pent up self worth frustrations might keep them off the street playing the hero vigilante hunter they imagine they are in their fantasies.

  26. A123 says:
    @Really No Shit

    The main stream media (MSM) is largely Jewish owned

    Untrue. The Fake Stream Media [FSM] is mostly publicly traded. The largest owners are index funds, retirement plans, etc.

    … support of the Jewish community at large,

    George IslamoSoros has no support from the Jewish community. In fact just the opposite.

    The Jewish Community warns Jews & Christians that The IslamoSoros is dangerously anti-Semitic and an open supporter of the Muslim Terrorist Brotherhood. (1)

    Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.

    … Soros penned a rare oped in the Washington Post in which the billionaire activist advocated support for the so-called Arab Spring in which scores of Muslim Brotherhood-allied groups stood to gain, including in Egypt with the downfall of the pro-U.S. regime of Hosni Mubarak. Soros singled out Israel as “the main stumbling block” against the insurgencies across the Middle East.

    The facts are 100% clear and incontrovertible. George IslamoSoros is a Muslim.

    He pushes mass Muslim migration in Europe, via his Open Society Foundation, to further his Islamic goal of replacing Infidels (Jews and Christians).

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Mefobills
  27. trickster says:
    @Anonymous

    When the Trickster saw her he suffered a sense of displacement. Was it the Trayvon Trial or Mutual of Omaha’s wild kingdom ?

  28. trickster says:
    @anarchyst

    Well interestingly enough Trayvon could have continued running to his step mother’s house and that would have ended the episode. Instead just like Avery he confronted an armed man. No more skittles and cough syrup for him and figuring out his ABC from a bowl of Alpha Bits soup is now out of the question.

    Here again we see his biological mother and father did not seem to give a shit about him, his Dad of course setting a good example by being a gang member. His mother had had enough of him finally kicking him out. Perhaps in a dark way she is glad he is gone because while sad, she no longer has to talk incessantly to his wayward ways.

    The only one who seemed moved by his demise was the step mother who in the end was sidelined by the rest of the family. These black folk lead a topsy turvy life. They just dont get it !

  29. Republic says:
    @450.org

    The truth about Ahmoud Arbery

    • Thanks: Agent76, eah, Thomasina
  30. Gordo says:

    It is long winded in parts but the guy did a good job.

    Should be brought to wider attention.

    • Agree: schnellandine, eah, Thomasina
  31. Samizdat says:
    @A123

    This is absolute utter nonsense. Having spoken with Zimmerman several times …. totally false. But your MO is “Islamic nazi fascist liberals” or something. So the truth pales in comparison to your agenda, which is pretty (((obvious))).

  32. Thim says:

    The Trayvon hoax is relevant, as the Ahmaud hoax is in play, and by the same people, as lovely Michelle Malkin wrote of.

    But this Ahmaud, is that an American name? Checking the Islamic name site, I find, Ahmaud, a variation on Muhammed.

    So Ahmaud has apparently had time in his 25 years to change his last name from Avery, but he still has his Islamic name, Ahmaud.

    Do Muslims jog? I never see Muslims jogging.

  33. geokat62 says:
    @A123

    The facts are 100% clear and incontrovertible. George IslamoSoros is a Muslim.

    Hmm, let’s see what the IslamoSoros is quoted as saying in his book On Israel, America and AIPAC (The New York Review of Books, April 12, 2007):

    “I am not a Zionist, nor am I am a practicing Jew, but I have a great deal of sympathy for my fellow Jews and a deep concern for the survival of Israel.”

    https://www.georgesoros.com/2007/0

    Yup, spoken like a true Muslim!

    • Replies: @A123
  34. ANZ says:
    @A123

    Just as there is no honor among thieves, there is no honor among these SJW subversives.

    What do you expect from a gynocentric grievance cult? Women are much more conniving and backstabbing than men. It’s biology. They are to weak to fight out in the open with strength and logic, so they fight from the shadows with lies and intrigue.

    When these leftist groups, who are founded on a female type ethos, gain prominence/power they exhibit typical female pathologies. It’s like a pack of infighting mean-girls.

    Knowingly sacrificing one of their own (Zimmerman) to the higher ranking grievance group (blacks) is utterly disgraceful. These “pussies” have no shame.

    • Replies: @Alden
  35. @Republic

    A DNA sample could probably be obtained from Barrack Obama’s half brother,Malik Obama

    Maybe, not being a geneticist, I’m missing something, but what would that do in regard to finding BarBar’s bio-daddy? Seems to me that at most it might show that his mother once slept with the suspected guy. Even if Barstock’s true roots are found, could hardly make the guy more of a scoundrel.

    • Replies: @Republic
  36. Alden says:

    I bought 4 copies. Christmas presents for 2 liberal and 2 race realist relatives. Amazing the woman testifying in court she was in the phone with Trayvon was not the woman who actually on the phone with Trayvon that night.

    She was 18 at the time. Why isn’t she being charged with perjury?????

    Oh well, we’re White and we’ll soon be lined up and executed ala Russia 1918-1941. I hope all you gun owners have self defense insurance and through knowledge of your state laws and city county ordinances re guns

  37. A123 says:
    @geokat62

    Yup, spoken like a true Muslim!

    Yes. True Muslims lie. It is the covenant of Taqiyya (1)

    Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

    Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution.

    The IslamoSoros, a proven Muslim, lied about his attitude towards Israel in a failed attempt to confuse his Infidel enemies. His financial backing of the genocidal BDS movement makes it clear that he does not want Israel to survive.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  38. Republic says:
    @schnellandine

    It would solve a great mystery.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  39. Mefobills says:
    @A123

    Untrue. The Fake Stream Media [FSM] is mostly publicly traded. The largest owners are index funds, retirement plans, etc.

    That is called leverage. In a pyramid system, the top controllers leverage the bottom “larger” part of they pyramid. (((Who))) has placed themselves at the top of the pyramid.

    Our (((friends))) and their fellow travelers, place themselves at the controlling choke points of civilization, as part of their evolutionary crime-family method.

    Owning the narrative also means controlling the press. In order to get the Federal Reserve Act passed, it only took buying out top editors of newspapers. Congress learned of this in the Pujo committee. In biological terms, a parasite can control the brain of an organism.

    The alternate media is not owned, and hence our paymasters cannot control the narrative… but they are trying. Anybody who is even partially aware can see the creeping censorship.

    George IslamoSoros has no support from the Jewish community. In fact just the opposite.

    The Jewish Community warns Jews & Christians that The IslamoSoros is dangerously anti-Semitic and an open supporter of the Muslim Terrorist Brotherhood.

    This is actually an important point, and illustrates the conflict within the Jewish community. Since we all live in ZOG clown world now, it is necessary to pull up the skirts of our jewish friends and look at their private parts.

    Herzyl style Zionism is to have a ‘nation state’ so that Jews can become normal people, much like the Germans Herzyl lived among and admired. Another “international finance” branch of Zion was formed after first Zionist conference when Rothschild joined in. In other words, Zion was corrupted from the outset by getting in bed with the International Jew, to then finance new Zion (in Palestine).

    New Zion included the international jew who was to stay in place in money centers, and then fund the project.

    This national vs international conflict was born at the beginning of Zion. Soros is an international finance jew, who pushes globo-homo one world government. The Muslim brotherhood was a MI6 operation (and still is), which is also part of globo-homo.

    Islam is not monolithic, there are the Muslim Brotherhood types, and Takfiris, who are funded directly or indirectly by International Zion.

    The dividing line runs through the Islamic, Christian, and Jewish communities. On one side are the internationalist running their usury schemes and trying to become god, and on the other side are people worried about their local communities and economies.

    The major failure of Talmudic Judaism is that the doctrine itself is predatory, which allows the worst impulses of man to be set free. It is ok to murder, steal from, and host the goyim. Why there is even a pre-crime prayer to sanction future thefts, murder, and mayhem.

    Globo Homo includes some branches of Islam, mostly Sunni Wahabists, funded by recycled petrodollars to become “good mercenaries.” International Finance Zion (ZOG) makes its easy money by moving its “finance capital” around the world, looking for cheap labor.

    Chaos and divide-and-conquer techniques are part of the evolutionary method. Our (((friends))) evolutionary methods have been honed over thousands of years.

    Zionist Israel has sided with Saudi and Qatari finance capital, to fund war against other Muslims.

    You cannot claim that the dividing line is skin color, brown vs white, when reality says otherwise.

    I am a race realist, so don’t take this as some sort of apology for brown people. I think brown people should be in their own nation-states, where they can live according to their habits. I also think Jews should be segregated and/or returned to Israel.

    I have demonstrated (see my comment history) the exact money mechanics that are needed to segregate and expel Jews (and Muslims) to their homelands. It would be easy to do, save the paid-off and co-opted Congress.

    Good fences make good neighbors.

  40. Cyrano says:

    What these 2 cases of the innocent stroller and the innocent jogger “revealed” is that only the white people are capable of racism. All other races and ethnicities are innocent, especially if they are in conflict with the designated racists. If you are a racist – that’s the worst human quality that a person can have, but if you are a racist towards a racist – that makes you an individual with the most outstanding human values and morals. Long live the degeneracy.

  41. @Republic

    What mystery would be solved by testing anyone without testing WarPig44?

    • Replies: @Republic
  42. Alden says:

    My thing is affirmative action. So I’ll point out that the sow Sabrina Fulton was a life long affirmative action local county employee.

    That’s the thing about the affirmative action black so called middle class. They aren’t middle class in lifestyle. Their relatives include many criminals and thugs like Trayvon. The women are always taking time off work to bail out and appear in court for their thug sons, brothers half brothers .

    Clicking through the TV this AM. Several documentaries about how Asians were so abused and discriminated against and still are. Obviously trying to deflect from China’s role in the covid hoax and blame Trump.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  43. @450.org

    You are totally full of shit.

    No egress my ass.

    The dumbass dindu CHOSE to attack an armed man!

    He could have simply ran away, or he could have talked to them as any normal human being would do.

    But the low IQ violent criminal dindu chose suicide.

    Your entire post is stupid lies and bullshit. Stefan Molyneux has gone over the case in detail, down to the laws and codes.

    The white supreeeeeeeemist redneck racists did nothing wrong. Their only sin is being born white.

    • Agree: Republic
    • Replies: @Alpi
  44. Alden says:
    @ANZ

    Another misogynist women hating nerd wimp 50 year old virgin MAN OF UNZ displays his total ignorance of what powerful elite WHITE MEN did to the great mass of Whites.

    1953 Brown vs Topeka school desegregation 9 WHITE MEN Court judges

    1961 March of ; WHITE MAN President Kennedy issues executive order that all federal agencies must revise hiring practices and take affirmative action to hire negroes instead of more qualified Whites.

    1964 President VP senators and all but about 10 out of 435 Congress critters WHITE MEN pass civil rights act.

    1965 President VP senators and all but about 10 out of 435 Congress critters WHITE MEN pass unlimited non White immigration act.

    1967 WHITE MEN president Johnson VP Humphrey Robert Kennedy and others impose Philadelphia Plan to eliminate testing for literacy numeracy and aptitude.

    1968 President VP senators and all but about 10 out of 435 Congress critters WHITE MEN pass affirmative action law making it illegal to hire WHITE MEN or admit WHITE MEN to college.

    1970 WHITE MAN President Nixon creates the hitherto did not exist Hispanic race and entitles anyone with a Spanish surname affirmative action privileges and benefits.

    1973 Griggs VS Duke Power 9 WHITE MEN Supreme Court judges rule that a company requiring the ability to read and completion of 6 grade in hiring is discrimination .
    WHITE MAN Chief Justice Brennan may he burn in hell forever and ever states in the findings:

    “Disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination “

    Read that sentence by a WHITE MAN you ignorant MAN OF UNZ who doesn’t know the history of affirmative action discrimination against White men and who did it.

    1979 Kaiser VS Weber 9 WHITE MEN Supreme Court judges reiterated that the most unqualified blacks must be given jobs instead of qualified blacks.

    1985? WHITE MAN President Regean lobbies congress for, and signs the first of many amnesty act for non White illegal immigrants.

    WHITE MEN presidents Vice Presidents senators congress critter’s and judges did it all.

    Any ignorant MAN OF UNZ who believes otherwise just displays his abysmal ignorance of the history of the United States since 1953 and the affirmative action was that have made WHITE MEN unemployable untouchables.

    • Agree: europeasant
    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @mark tapley
  45. Alden says:
    @Mefobills

    Most Jews don’t know Soros is anti Israel. Soros really has no ability and power to do anything anti Israel. American Jews support, help fund and participate in Soros’ causes. Soros has immense power to harm America and American goyim.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @DaveE
  46. @Anon

    I was wondering about that. I imagine him writing in ascot and smoking jacket smoking a pipe and saying “tut-tut.”

  47. ANZ says:
    @Alden

    There you go again, Alden, painting anyone who points out female pathology as a misogynist. Way to be hyper reactive.

    For the record, there are male pathologies as well that I will happily point out when circumstances have warranted it. But as this is about SJW eating their own, it’s not male pathology on display.

    That said, weak men put up with out of control female bullshit all of the time. That doesn’t make them produce the bullshit in the first place. And since when have politicians represented strong male archetypes?

    I think it’s agreed here on this forum webzine that organized Jewry and their offspring of finance capital pushed through all of those pieces of legislation thay you cited. Jewish culture is massively feminine. The IDF is a bunch sissies. That should be their most manly organization. They Israel excels in the feminine arts, not the masculine.

    • Agree: Mefobills
    • Replies: @Alden
  48. Alpi says:
    @450.org

    This white victimhood nonsense is getting out of hand. The white culture created this current black culture and now is crying foul anytime a white idiot is victimized. Nobody talks about 150 years of some of the foulest atrocities committed against the blacks in history of mankind and even longer than that by the ancestors of the very people who created this country.

    What the black culture should have done was to copy the Holohoax MO and live off the extortions for the rest of their lives in peace. But of course we know that Jewish race is a special case not be permitted to be emulated.

    Cases like Trayvon Martin and Ahmaud Arbery are just few examples of how the whites perceive blacks to this date……..expendable.

    No human life is that cheap to be taken away, even for petty crime, in Jerk Town, USA. If we cry about lawlessness, then don’t come back and cry here in this forum about how the white life is much more precious than others. It is utterly disgusting to see the amount of supremacy and privilege displayed by most of the redneck commenters here.

    Sadly, we live in an extremely racist society which has migrated into the black culture as well. After all, they are a reactionary culture, for years of oppression and sadistic race hating.

    • Disagree: Joseph Doaks
  49. Alpi says:
    @Robert Dolan

    No. Their ONLY sin is being born into a racist family and a racist society that condones taking a life for petty crime, if ever, if not just for fun.

    A racist country is doomed and will never achieve its goals. Eventually it will fall and that is what is awaiting this miserable country precisely because of people like you. Too bad for the rest of us.

  50. Republic says:
    @schnellandine

    Getting dna from #44 would be impossible,but getting dna from his half-brother would yield some results.

    The CIA as well as foreign intelligent services take a lot of time and effort in surreptiously collecting DNA from high profile targets.

  51. @Alden

    But Asians aren’t attacking police, rioting and burning cities. America has treated them unkindly, but through hard work and education they have succeeded where the lowly negro will never advance in a civilized world.

  52. Agent76 says:

    Dec 3, 2012 Trayvon Martin shooting, minute by minute

    CNN’s Don Lemon recounts the details of Florida teen Trayvon Martin’s last minutes.

  53. conatus says:

    Joel Gilbert made a point of saying part of the motivation for the lie about Trayvon Martin and the substitution of Jontel  for Britainy Diamond Eugene was to get an alarming story out there that seemed credible. Now we find it was a complete hoax.The hoaxers wanted  to get out the Black vote. Obama was battling Romney at the time and if the Blacks did not vote 99% for Obama he could very well lose. So to gin up the fear quotient amongst the Blacks was part of the larger motivation to put money and assets behind the idea that small angel Trayvon Martin(six foot three inches tall) was hunted by Zimmerman. “They are hunting us, literally hunting us, we need to vote Obama”
    Similarly the same scenario is playing out right now, with Ahmaud Arbery. The vote herders are creating a scenario where innocent Ahmaud was hunted by two white guys and murdered, never mind he could have, as one of the commenters said, merely turned and run the other way, instead he chose to run toward them and grab the shot gun as if YT would just ‘give it up’ I mean that’s what YT guys do on TV right?But the main point is to communicate the idea Blacks are being hunted by White guys in pickups. The message is for November..”Vote Dem or be hunted.”

    • Replies: @mark tapley
  54. @Alpi

    You’re an idiot.

    There is no “racism.”

    The term “racist” is a made up bullshit marxist term invented to demonize white people.

    In other words, “racist” is a jew term invented to create hatred toward white Christian people.

    The obvious irony is that jews are the single MOST ethnocentric group on planet earth.

    You are a hate filled anti-white bigot POS.

  55. @Alpi

    Go pound sand, moron.

    Slavery was the worldwide NORM for thousands of years until WHITE men ended slavery.

    muslims and jews ran the slave trade for thousands of years. Not white men.

    Whites were taken as slaves by muslims, grabbed right off the coasts of Europe.

    A tiny percentage of slaves were brought to America, less than ten percent of the Atlantic slave trade,
    only 500K.

    Most of the slaves were taken to Brazil, Haiti, the West Indies, etc.

    Israel is a racist apartheid state, but nobody is supposed to notice.

    Whites built the modern world and everything in it. Whites have done more good in the world than any other group on earth.

    You can bray about “racism” all day long and nobody gives a shit. We are not listening. You can fuck off.

    • Agree: mark tapley
    • Replies: @Wally
  56. Mefobills says:
    @Alden

    Statesmen like Kings in the past ejected Jews over 100 times. They did this to protect their present and future populations from usury style depredation and chaos.

    Many American Jews are innocent sheeple who are unaware of the maneuvering of finance jews, including like minded goy globo-homo shabbos fellow travelers. Normal jewish sheeple actually believe anti-semitism is something inborn among goy, and not something learned. They are sheeple because they can be so easily brain-washed.

    Many Muslims also want to do the right thing and try to act morally. But, if you examine Muslim religion, you will soon find out it is full of deception mechanisms, similar to Talmud. Muslims are a loaded gun. Why bother with them in your population, when they can go off at anytime?

    Allowing deception type in-groups to take control over your civilization, turns it into a tower of babel and clown world. They have to go. Otherwise, the future is a boot stamping on the face of humanity forever.

    Identity politics is late stage collapse, where we are deceived to hate people based on their skin color.

    Their plans are working well… they actually fear average goys (Muslims/Blacks/Whites/Asians) organizing and rebelling. What are the chances that average goys would find common cause even though they have a common enemy?

    The Trayvon’s of the world would be much happier in Africa, among their own people group. It is a kindness to pay certain in-groups to leave. The international jews of the world, do not want Trayvon to leave, but instead need and want Trayvon type chaos. The international jews of the world, want to stay in their citadels of money power, resident among their goy hosts, hiding in plain sight and emitting propaganda.

    • Agree: ANZ, Lurker
    • Replies: @ANZ
  57. Corrupt says:
    @Alpi

    “Cases like Trayvon Martin and Ahmaud Arbery are just few examples of how the whites perceive blacks to this date……..expendable.”

    Why shouldn’t I believe blacks are expendable when that’s what they believe themselves, as proven by both the murder and abortion rates they have.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  58. Wally says:
    @Getaclue

    said:
    “Attorney Crump returning back to his form in the Trayvon Case is now the Attorney for the Georgia “Jogger’s” family and churning that one into yet another “lynching” etc. of an innocent “youth” complete with Glamour Shot photo of the deceased “youth” as we saw in Trayvon and the obligatory ignoring of all evidence, photos etc. that do exist contrary to the “lynching” narrative he is pushing loudly to the Mainslime Media that is of course eating it up and amplifying it without question — ”

    Now there’s this:

    Video Shows Dead ‘Jogger’ Ahmaud Arbery Rummaging Through Homes at Night in October 2019: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/video-appears-to-show-dead-jogger-ahmaud-arbery-rummaging-through-homes-at-night-in-october-2019/
    and:

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  59. DaveE says:
    @Alden

    Most Jews don’t know Soros is anti Israel.

    Soros is the poster-creature for the Globalist branch of the Jewish Mafia. Like the so-called Sicilian Mafia at war with the much nastier Jewish gangs, the different branches are / were in constant battle. But they’re still mobsters, first and foremost. Their loyalty is with their own faction first, but like Soros, they won’t lift a finger to harm the zionist cause unless it interferes with his own globalist “operations”.

    Kinda like the mobsters who ran the public utilities generally left the bootleggers alone, unless they got into “turf battles” for real-estate, control over politicians, etc. etc.

    Soros is the perfect example of Gilad Atzmon’s “anti-zionist-zionist”. He is smart enough to play a Gentile “businessman” if it works to his advantage. Just like Meyer Lansky cooperated with Bugsy Siegel, for a time, until Bugsy forgot to bring bagels to a sit-down and mouthed-off to Lansky. Lansky got even by giving Siegel a dirt-nap – and Siegel was replaced.

    But mobster nature never changes – be it the globalists or the zionists or both. Replace “mobster” with “Jewish” and it still holds true.

  60. @DCThrowback

    I’ve jogged in cargo shorts on numerous occasions.

    • Replies: @Alden
  61. Wally says:
    @Robert Dolan

    – Indeed, slavery existed everywhere.

    – African tribes especially kept slaves and gladly sold some their stock slave raders who were largely Jews.

    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade / Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.

    Jews Selling Blacks” Book Stirs Reparations Movement: https://www.unz.com/article/jews-selling-blacks-book-stirs-reparations-movement/

    – Black researcher, Dr. Tony Martin, let’s us know who the prime sellers & owners of slaves really were, Jews.
    Professor Tony Martin – The Jewish Slave Trade of Africans

    • Replies: @Agent76
  62. Getaclue says:
    @Alpi

    Your statement is historically wrong. The first Slave Owner in the USA was BLACK. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/did-you-know-the-first-legal-slave-owner-in-america-was-black/ — Research it — it is a fact. Blacks owned many Slaves. There could have been NO Slavery without the Black Kings in Africa who sent their people into the interior for the Blacks there and enslaved them and sold them to Muslim Slave Traders. YT could not survive doing this due to Malaria etc. and diseases fatal to YT in interior Africa but not to the Black Slavers. This article actually gives a balanced view of the history– ADMITTED history in Africa but lied about in the USA: https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/41431

    There is NO country in the World that is less Racist than the USA today, in fact Whites are the victims of Racism thru “Affirmative Action” etc. — the Mainslime Media has to look for aberration cases like this one in this article to pimp this bs because such incidents are so very few (in the Trayvon case they turned the Hispanic Zimmerman into a “White”– they lie endlessly as to this bs) — the last time I personally heard a “White” person use the N Word was in the early 1980s– Black “comedians” and “Rappers” etc. use it constantly however.

    Black on White crime — Robbery, Murder, Rape is an epidemic– as outlined on articles on this actual site using Government Statistics. The Mainslime Media doesn’t cover it or care about it–they hate YT. I live in a mixed Race Boarding House — nobody cares what color you are — just clean up your piss if you can’t put it in the bowl and get it on the floor and don’t be a slob and no one cares what “color” you are — this is all pumped up by a certain “Tribe”that controls the Media and by idiot YT Leftists/Communists seeking to cause trouble. Here let them tell you themselves:

    If you think the USA is the most Racist country in the world you are delusional — this is an actual Television Ad played in China– imagine if such was played in the USA? China is currently taking over the World — look at this commercial and tell me how when they replace the EVIL YT things will be better for Blacks? Please. Educate yourself and stop with the bs: https://twitter.com/sadir_Palwan/status/1250570077163925509

    • Replies: @Alden
  63. Just watched the whole thing; not as corny as I had feared. Does a good job of finding truth about this mess. Good job all around.

    Somewhat surprisingly, it turns out our heroic detective/film maker is a standard GOP loving, ‘Dems are the real racists’ style nut job. He’d better get a haircut and trade those western shirts for a good suit if he wants !Yeb! to give him a call.

  64. Alden says:
    @CantSleep

    Rachel Jeantel was 18 when she testified and conspired with Crump and the prosecutor. She committed conspiracy , perjury misprision of a felony and aiding and abetting felonies.

    Brittany Diamond committed misprision of felonies when she was 16, even though she refused to participate in the falsehoods. But to whom could she have reported the ongoing criminal conspiracy as every law enforcement agency in the state was out to get Zimmerman?

    Brittany recently completed a BA in criminal justice. She has more experience and knowledge of obstruction of justice perjury conspiracy than most LEO with 20 years experience

    I well remember the rude comments on the internet when Trayvon’s so called girl friend appeared in court in all her 300 pound glory. And that wig!!!! Or was it a pound of grease?

  65. @A123

    I am with you all the way about the lying (Taqiyya) by Allah’s agents if it suits their purpose of Islam … though I am not so sure about the Soros bit.

  66. Alden says:
    @ANZ

    Can’t you read what White Men did to Whites? How can you blame women for what White presidents judges senators and congress critter’s did to the rest of us?

    You seem to equate pussywhipped nerds with presidents and Supreme Court judges. Are you saying MRses White Kennedy Johnson Brennan Nixon Regean and the rest of the wives of the race traitors in power nagged their husbands into desegregating the schools, inventing the Hispanic race, making it illegal to hire Whites and lobbying for and happily signing the first amnesty act?

    That’s what you claim. Prove it.

    Your comment really makes you seem like a pussywhipped unhappy husband stuck with a nagging dominant wife you can’t afford to or are too wimpy to get rid of.

    If you’re so pussywhipped get divorced. Don’t blame affirmative action school desegregation and unlimited non White immigration on your nagging bitchy wife and me. Me, who’s been against affirmative action since Philadelphia Plan 1967 standing in proud solidarity with White Men.

    Not that you’d know anything about pro White activism.

    • Replies: @ANZ
  67. Alden says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    But have you broken and entered, burglarized construction sites and stolen expensive materials while wearing cargo shorts?

    One of the reasons the owners of the construction materials were not charged originally is that they made several police reports about the burglaries and thefts of materials from the empty house under renovation.

    Being a cubicle coolie, not a real man with a real man’s job, you might not realize what a problem burglary into construction sites and theft of materials is. It’s not just the cost of materials. It’s the delays caused by theft of materials.

    Think of 5 guys showing up to do the dry wall and finding no dry wall, mud or tape. A couple days delay, trips to Home Depot hundreds of dollars lost, have to pay the guys at least an hour or 2 wages

    Or windows with frames weeks of delay ordering and waiting for delivery of replacements and thousands of dollars.

    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @Jefferson Temple
  68. Agent76 says:
    @Wally

    Here is what you are missing from history.

    Revealing the Truth About The Democratic Party!!

    This is Part 1…View Part 2 Here: It’s the One You’ve Been Waiting For in show notes.

    The First Black Republicans

    Republicans Both Black and White sent these men to Congress!

    http://youtu.be/gMX27nDsN-w

  69. Alden says:
    @Getaclue

    If you don’t mind my asking, why are the Jews speaking French in an ad on Chinese TV?

    • Replies: @acementhead
  70. @ThreeCranes

    When all the MSM whores are controlled by the Zionist Jews that is what you get. Main problem is the Presidency and almost all of Congress and lots of the state Governors are just shabbos goy operatives too.

  71. @conatus

    True but almost all the negroes are in the Democrat side of the Jew controlled left right paradigm anyway. The niggers on the left have always been proxy warriors for the Jews just like the brainwashed Christian Zionists on the right.

  72. @Alpi

    Wherever you have a lot of niggers you have a lot of crime. They should be grateful that their own people sold them into the Jew run slave trade and they were lucky enough to end up in North Amer. By the way there were lots of free blacks in. the antebellum south. Ap. 28% had slaves. The biggest slave owner in Charleston (a big slave region) for a long time was a black man. The Amer. Negroes were making lots of progress in the early 1900’s. That had to be stopped so International Banker and Rothschild associate Jacob Schiff created the NAACP (all Jews). To radicalize the negroes to where they are today. Did not have a black President for over 60 years. Agitated Jew controlled activists like Obama’s real father Frank M. Davis, MLK, Sharpton and Jackson we now see the intended result.

  73. ANZ says:
    @Alden

    Masculine and feminine aren’t 100% tied to biological sex. There are feminine men and masculine women. You know this. However, there are traits that are more tied to the female sex on average and traits that are more tied to the male sex on average.

    So when I point out a female pathology, I am not denigrating womanhood. I hope you understand this. When I point out male pathology, I am not male bashing. For example, I do not condone rape, which can be a male pathology, especially in wartime. I am simply noting biological sex tendencies than need to be checked.

    That said, I firmly believe in patriarchy. Feminine victimhood culture should not dictate social policy. Victimhood culture is a woman or child appealing to a stronger power to set things right. Males are that stronger power. Not only physical strength but mental strength as well. Rationality needs to lead, not reactive emotion. Emotion is too fickle and deceptive.

    If you don’t like that lot, go complain to your creator.

    Lastly, your impotent ad hominem attacks betray the weakness of your argument. Your penchant for flying off the handle with a diatribe reinforces my original thesis.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  74. “Video Shows Dead ‘Jogger’ Ahmaud Arbery Rummaging Through Homes at Night in October 2019 . . .’

    Just a tint little problem — the video doesn’t show anyone rummaging . . . it shows a young man standing around and walking around — not touching or picking up a thing.

    Pretend to have some integrity on the question. The video disputes your caption.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    , @Rouetheday
  75. mcohen says:

    Trayvon was a martyr sacrificed on the altar of disposable American values similar to the one’s you get at Macdonald’s.It was rumoured at the time that he died with a big Mac in his hands
    Would like fries with that?

    Ferguson

    a big small thin reed
    a dude in need
    walked a stumble he barely caught
    carrying a bag he bought
    cigars in handhe set off for the promised land
    no spoonful of honey
    just blood and money

  76. ANZ says:
    @Alden

    Being a cubicle coolie, not a real man with a real man’s job

    So you say that male jobs exist and insinuate that a man without one of these jobs is not a real man. Clearly you understand traditional gender roles. Yet you cannot accept the idea of female pathology and acuse me of misogyny when I point such disfunction out. You use gender norms to insult men but can’t handle when gender norms are applied to women.

    Your cognitive dissonance must be impacting your ability to think rationally, hence your emotional outbursts. You’re full of it.

  77. Leave it to the lying Jew Spew Media to decriminalize ALL Black crime and criminalize all White responses to black crime.
    A hateful people, full of malice and lies.
    Begone Jew.
    Go to Israel where we can keep an eye on all of you.
    Take your black pets with you.

  78. ANZ says:
    @Mefobills

    Agree on all points.

    Many Muslims also want to do the right thing and try to act morally. But, if you examine Muslim religion, you will soon find out it is full of deception mechanisms, similar to Talmud. Muslims are a loaded gun. Why bother with them in your population, when they can go off at anytime?

    Any short term benefit to inviting these tribes/cultures into American society (if there even is one) is completely negated by the eventual explosion of the ticking time bomb. It’s inevitable as history shows. There is no sane reason to have these groups in the U.S. from the standpoint it traditional American society. That leaves more nefarious motivations. Deracination is a prime one.

    • Replies: @mark tapley
  79. @Priss Factor

    ‘This is black justice in the raw. Whites were stupid to bring this savage race to the West.’

    It’s all in how you handle them. Dogs would pose similar problems if we attempted to treat them as we treat blacks.

    As it is, we treat dogs in accord with what they are, and they’re perfectly agreeable and even useful.

    Do the same with blacks, and you’ll find them as congenial as Labrador Retrievers.

    We don’t hate blacks for who they are; we hate them for so egregiously failing to meet the expectations we impose on them. You could say we hate them for who they aren’t.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @anarchyst
  80. @Colin Wright

    “Whites” didn’t bring them.

    jews did.

    And jews control them.

    jews give them money and agency to fuck white people.

    Blacks are not the problem.

    jews are the problem.

  81. @Alden

    Long list of shabbos goys hewing the wood and fetching the water for the chosen ones. The Protocols said the Jews would put puppets to lead all the nations. What can be said for a nation that has fought 2 world wars to advance the Zionist cause and has always put Greater Israel as top priority over everything including the lives of our young serving in the Israeli foreign legion (U.S. military).

  82. @ANZ

    Western Culture with rule of law and white nations in general are the Jews biggest enemy. The Warburg financed Kelergi Plan will fix that problem. When all the western countries are like African shit holes with an economy like Zimbabwe the ADL and aIPAC will feel secure.

    • Replies: @ANZ
  83. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @CantSleep

    You don’t know what “in lieu of” means, do you?

  84. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    I generally eschew the crass term “sheboon” in favor of the more genteel “chimpess” but in this case…

    • LOL: eah
  85. Rich says:
    @Alpi

    Your people shoot each other over 8-ball jackets and Air-Jordan sneakers. Your people open fire if “dissed”. Your people commit crimes at 13x your percent of the population. Your people often scope out White neighborhoods looking to rob, mug or rape the innocent.

    White people shoot to defend their families, neighborhoods and themselves. Since your people are loyal to no one, you wouldn’t understand that. “Racist” means White and you guys have used it so much, it no longer works.

  86. ANZ says:
    @mark tapley

    It’s competition at some level but not like between two freestanding cultures. Not anything like the US vs Russia or China. Jews would be nothing without the host countries they live in. Israel is too new and dependent on the US for me to say they are a bona fide country.

    While the US could live better without international Jews, Jews could not survive without their host countries. They are notorious throughout history of eschewing productive and manual work. They are middlemen and hucksters. That means non-productive in terms of creating real wealth and value. They like to run toll booths in general.

    Look at the shtetyls in Eastern Europe which were a major hub of world Jewry. Without being able to fleece goy, thy devolve to poverty.

    So it has aspects of parasitism mixed in with competition. It’s a weird relationship.

    Still, they are threatened by white culture while they covet what white culture produces. Usurpers.

  87. @Alden

    …why are the Jews speaking French in an ad on Chinese TV?

    That’s not the ad(dunno what it is), the ad is at the link at the bottom of the comment.

  88. @A123

    ***The single most offensive part of the fakery was the “picture” of Travyon that was 8-10 years out of date. Trayvon was a strength trained football player with substantial physical capabilities. Not a 70-pound elementary school student.***

    what makes you think the pic was of a young trayvon.? It could have been any 10 year old black kid.

  89. @450.org

    *****Arbery was blocked by Travis and Gregory McMichael with their guns drawn and ready to open fire or at least Travis’s was. They trapped and cornered Arbery thus provoking a fight response in him. He had to fear for his life and he impulsively and instinctually defended himself. Sure, an argument can be made that his strategy for defending himself was rather foolish, but then again, when you are in fear for your life, you don’t always make the most intelligent choices if you have any options at all and Arbery didn’t have many options****

    Arbery wasn’t cornered.!!! And he had options. Like going the other way. But he chose to attack two armed men while he himself was unarmed.. It’s the two white men who had no choice but to fight back.

    • Agree: mark tapley
  90. @EliteCommInc.

    From what I can gather from the video Mr. Arbery seems to looking for the proper space in that house; which he and his family are going to purchase after the renos are complete, so he can set up his genetic research lab. Its so obvious. How can anyone not see that. The killing of Mr. Arbery is horrible and we may never know how great his contribution to mankind would have been. We will never know if he could have found a vaccine/cure for Covid-20 or even Covid -21. Perhaps he would have been on the first flight to Mars. These are things we will never know.

  91. @450.org

    You can’t see what went on in front of the pickup truck.

  92. @Wally

    Trespassing and looking for construction tools you can pawn is a perfectly valid jogging technique.

  93. @anarchyst

    Right – Not familiar with this latest nigger incident, but everyone knows you don’t go through other peoples buildings and property especially at night unless you have business there. Got exactly what he deserved. Most important the owners were able to defend their property. Property ownership and our right to defend it is the no. 1 target for the Jews.

  94. @ANZ

    I’m out of agree points but you hit the nail on the head. That is one reason they have been kicked out of 109 countries multiple times. The son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome has even written how in medieval times they caught and sacrificed gentile children for the Jews feast of Purim. That is the main reason they were thrown out of England.

    • Replies: @ANZ
  95. AceDeuce says:
    @Saggy

    “His crime was going out for a box of Skittles”.

    Maybe that’s why he got shot, Cucky Wuck–Skittles come in bags.

    Peddle your European/Canadian cuckery BS elsewhere.

  96. AceDeuce says:
    @Corrupt

    “Expendable” implies that they were actually useful at one time.

    A used condom or empty wine bottle are expendable now, but were previously of value.

    These people–not so much.

  97. anarchyst says:
    @Colin Wright

    A dog that goes after chickens must be put down. Once a dog tastes blood, it cannot be “redeemed” and must be “put down”.
    Maybe the same treatment would be appropriate for our black “transgressors”.

  98. @bruce county

    Perhaps he would have been on the first flight to Mars.

    Missed out there, but he may still be on the second flight to Comet Hale-Bopp. Only G-d can say.

  99. @eah

    But Obama is built like a skinny, not like a Bantu. For that reason alone I would go with Sr. as the father. But thanks for the links.

    • Replies: @eah
  100. And the media spin is running wide open. Throttle is locked and seat belts fastened. We have an electrician now.

    Ahmaud Arbery remembered as ‘humble guy’ with plans to become an electrician

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ahmaud-arbery-remembered-as-humble-guy-with-plans-to-become-an-electrician/ar-BB14auZo?li=AAggFp4#image=BB14auZo_1|2

  101. @Alden

    Hey, you tired old fart. I am perfectly capable of understanding all of the things you mention but I doubt that you are capable of proving that any of it is applicable to this situation. If so, why don’t you give it a try instead of resorting to pointless insults? I could be on Facebook if I wanted that bullshit.

  102. Christo says:

    Most of this was firmly established by Sundance over at the Conservative Treehouse years ago during the case. It is an alright site but neocon as HELL. The female who runs the site is some nutjob Christian Fundamentalist and I suspect Sundance is a ” neutral” smart Jew like Mr. Unz. is. I got thrown off the site after the female was ranting “Death to all people who oppose Christ” and alot of similar bs. And I replied “Well , what do you think of Jews then?” Needless to say that doesn’t go over in neocon land , might as well be Breitbart. But Sundance , he is OK, and he does good honest research about notable cases, such as the Trayvon Marin/George Zimmerman incident. His research was worthy of a Pultizer and not some BS Pulitzer, like “All the President’s Men” .

    If you go wayyyy back on Treehouse , you can read all the interesting detail about old “Trayvon”incident and the whole scene , better than any book about it, But this new book does add a couple small details not already known. Mostly just to prove Lawyer Crump is more a charlatan and a lair. Crump needed to be disbarred then, moreso now. Typical BGI

    • Replies: @A123
  103. A123 says:
    @Christo

    the Conservative Treehouse … is an alright site but neocon as HELL.

    It would be better to describe the site as Christian Populist.

    Treehouse is an active opponent of Globalist Neocon military adventurism, such as putting U.S. Boots on the ground in Ukraine and/or Iran.
    _____

    Their recent series on ‘at home’ vs. ‘away from home’ food supply chain issues in the face of the WUHAN-19 pandemic is excellent.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/26/phase-four-supply-chain-prioritizes-proteins-return-manufactured-processed-grain-products-still-lag/

    There are plenty of calories available for purchase.

    The shelf gaps are created primarily by a lack of retail/grocery packaging. For example, the restaurant/industrial milk supply chain uses 2.5 gallon (or larger) bags not labelled for individual sale. And, there is minimal excess capacity to manufacture 1 gallon (or smaller) retail containers.

    PEACE 😷

  104. @bruce county

    “””From what I can gather from the video Mr. Arbery seems to looking for the proper space in that house; which he and his family are going to purchase after the renos are complete, so he can set up his genetic research lab. Its so obvious. How can anyone not see that. The killing of Mr. Arbery is horrible and we may never know how great his contribution to mankind would have been. We will never know if he could have found a vaccine/cure for Covid-20 or even Covid -21. Perhaps he would have been on the first flight to Mars. These are things we will never know.”””

    Yes – the fake news press has gone wild portraying ahmaud as a saint. Wikipedia says he has a conviction for both a theft and for a gun crime.!!! He was a thug and i doubt he could even read.

    The video shows the unarmed arbery attacked the armed white guys.!!! That makes no sense but that’s what the vid shows.

  105. The video shows the unarmed arbery attacked the armed white guys.!!! That makes no sense but that’s what the vid shows.

    I take it that you’ve never been to the movies. An unarmed person disarming an armed one is the easiest thing in the world. Works every time.

  106. eah says:
    @anonymous jew

    But Obama is built like a skinny, not like a Bantu.

    Look, while I’m agnostic on the question (I see no reason to believe one claim or the other), what you say is rather unconvincing — full body fotos of Frank Marshall Davis are difficult to find — but in a 1940s foto, he appears to be barely bigger, in height and body size, than his white wife –> link — remember, back then the average height of an American woman was doubtless under 5’4″ — also, obviously he did appear to have a predilection for white women, and Obama’s mother seemed to be sexually promiscuous and uninhibited about having sex with black men; perhaps political sympathies played a role there (I don’t know).

    Like I said, the only way to resolve it is via DNA tests.

    • Replies: @Peter Gent
  107. ANZ says:
    @mark tapley

    Yet pointing that out makes one an anti-Semite. It’s evil whites who have an irrational dislike of Jews.

  108. @Alpi

    If you follow what ACTUALLY happened (I know that’s hard to do since you have to actually look at what happened and not what you pretend happened), the “so-called jogger” rather than running away, a choice that was available to him, attacked the man demanding to TALK to him and was taking his shotgun away. His life wasn’t taken for a petty crime as you full well know, but it doesn’t fit your lying narrative. Let’s not let facts get in the way of a useful story, no matter how farfetched or untrue. It will sell. His life was taken in self defense, which of course white men don’t have a right to when a black man is involved, right? One more get whitey twist on a phony get the ni#[email protected] story. I would say you should be ashamed of yourself but I doubt there is any shame left in you. So sad.

  109. @eah

    The biggest observable difference between the two possible fathers is in the ears and lips. Barack Obama’s bear no resemblance to his stated father (see lower lips and flat ears versus ears that stand out). His ears are close to Frank Davis.

  110. Ohhhh good grief . . . .

    Mr. Zimmerman should have made his presence known and clear. He should have approached young M. Martin and said,

    “Hey I m a neighborhood watchman, I just wanted to make sure you weren’t here to seal something or maybe can help you. Instead operating on his unfounded suspicions engaged in following some guy around in the night – who did not who was or what he was doing and eventually confronted him.

    These scenarios are not that complex.

  111. At this point we have to ask if any of this was real. Actors, cut-outs and no one died. Easier that way when the purpose is to present the spectacle.

  112. Skeptikal says:
    @A. Hipster

    “The main problem with “The Trayvon Hoax” is that Gilbert is something of a right-wing crackpot, as Loury and McWhorter readily acknowledged. … ”

    He certainly sounds like that here.
    This guy is a lawyer? If this were a summary to the jury, they jury members would just be scratching their heads.
    His argument is totally confused.
    Only those who already are predisposed to believe him will be able to follow this mess.

  113. Thomasina says:

    Huntley Haverstock – that was a great article, well-written! Thank you.

  114. @Mefobills

    #[email protected] :

    Our (((friends))) and their fellow travelers, place themselves at the controlling choke points of civilization, as part of their evolutionary crime-family method.

    God Incarnate Jesus has told (((them))) “You are the children of your father the devil…” (John 8:44):

    The major failure of Talmudic Judaism is that the doctrine itself is predatory, which allows the worst impulses of man to be set free. It is ok to murder, steal from, and host the goyim. Why there is even a pre-crime prayer to sanction future thefts, murder, and mayhem.

    #TheInescapableBinomial:CHRISTorChaos :

    Chaos and divide-and-conquer techniques are part of the evolutionary method. Our (((friends))) evolutionary methods have been honed over thousands of years.

    #SelfDefenseNECESSITATES:DestroyShabbatGoy:

    I have demonstrated (see my comment history) the exact money mechanics that are needed to segregate and expel Jews (and Muslims(*)) to their homelands. It would be easy to do, save the paid-off and co-opted Congress.

    Good fences make good neighbors.

    *Globo Homo includes some branches of Islam, mostly Sunni Wahabists, funded by recycled petrodollars to become “good mercenaries.” International Finance Zion (ZOG) makes its easy money by moving its “finance capital” around the world, looking for cheap labor.

  115. @ANZ

    #[email protected] :

    While the US could live better without international Jews, Jews could not survive without their host countries. They are notorious throughout history of eschewing productive and manual work. They are middlemen and hucksters. That means non-productive in terms of creating real wealth and value. They like to run toll booths in general.

    Look at the shtetyls in Eastern Europe which were a major hub of world Jewry. Without being able to fleece goy, thy devolve to poverty.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  116. @usNthem

    They were so desirous of a White being the shooter, they invented the term “white hispanic” which no one most likely ever heard before – I know I hadn’t.

    And for the sole reason that it would make Zimmermann seem “more evil,” rather like the way Hollywood makes villains “more evil” by giving them blond hair and blue eyes.

    The truly surreal aspect of is that there’s nothing white-looking about Zimmermann at all, and not even the most desperate latino “whitewasher” (ie someone who presents a misleading picture of the whiteness of his ethnic group) would attempt to claim Zimmermann as an example of a white hispanic. It simply didn’t matter to the MSM frauds.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  117. George Zimmerman was just too inexperienced at this point in life to realize that his apartment complex was already not worth fighting for. Because the management had already begun the process of welcoming large numbers of the Trayvon types no matter how many thugs he might have shot. Stop by this same complex now and you’ll see it’s likely full of loitereing blacks.

  118. @A123

    You can tell this was written by a jew due to the special focus on Soros being an antisemite. Not “antiwhite master” or “antichristian master,” noooo we must hate Soros for his alleged hatred of jews.
    This is how zionists always do it: claim someone hates jews first and foremost, then include “and whites and Christians” if the jew hook didn’t work

    • Replies: @A123
  119. A123 says:
    @Pop Warner

    You can tell this was written by a jew due to the special focus on Soros being an antisemite. Not “antiwhite master” or “antichristian master,” noooo we must hate Soros for his alleged hatred of jews.

    Is it not amazing how Muslims, like Pop Shia Warner, are wrong 100% of the time?

    As a Christian , I oppose The IslamSoros and his desire to exterminate all Christian infidels. One of the main tactics of Muslims, including The IslamoSoros, is using lies to pit infidels (Christians and Jews) against each other.

    You should return to your Shia masters in Iran for retraining. Your inability to distinguish Christians from Jews is a serious failure. Your painfully obvious, incompetent Taqiyya lies are even worse.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
  120. Some of yo are very funny. By and large when this incident occurred, Mr. Zimmerman was an NRA hero then as cooler heads prevailed and more was revealed about the nature of the man’s judgment and same rationale perspective — most of the same whites who claim hero are running as fast as they can in any way possible.

    Hard to admit that you simply had a knee-jerk reaction to support your assumptions that a young man visiting his father was essentially staked and despite attempts to evade his stalker to no avail decided to confront the same and was shot because the stalker was losing the confrontation.

    an incident that was entirely initiated by Mr. Zimmerman — who ignored instructions from an authored authority to do nothing further until the police arrived. it appears tat even common sense is a hopscotch tool to agendas.

  121. “From what I can gather from the video Mr. Arbery seems to looking for the proper space in that house; which he and his family are going to purchase after the renos are complete, so he can set up his genetic research lab.”

    It simply does not matter whether that young man was a genius or doorknob, nothing warranted staling him, chasing him, pursuing him in any manner. In so doing the men who initiated the contact exceeded their authority and caused the chain of events. The video shows a young man acting in self defense from men who were in pursuit of him to arrest him — he was entitled to defend himself from that assault.

    The initial report makes that case quite clear, as as no felonious conduct was witnessed and none support an attempt or intent to such conduct — their actions and their actions alone are responsible for the events of that day — even the video is a hoax training film or some other such gambit. Context matters. Suspicion simply is not enough to curtail another’s freedom.

  122. “The video shows the unarmed arbery attacked the armed white guys.!!! That makes no sense but that’s what the vid shows.”

    It simply does not matter whether that young man was a genius or doorknob, nothing warranted staling him, chasing him, pursuing him in any manner. In so doing the men who initiated the contact exceeded their authority and caused the chain of events. The video shows a young man acting in self defense from men who were in pursuit of him to arrest him — he was entitled to defend himself from that assault.

    The initial report makes that case quite clear, as as no felonious conduct was witnessed and none support an attempt or intent to such conduct — their actions and their actions alone are responsible for the events of that day — even the video is a hoax training film or some other such gambit. Suspicion simply is not enough to curtail another’s freedom and reasonable suspicion isn’t even close in the Georgia incident.

    The video in context of the incident —

  123. In the Florida incident, I will correct one reference — the dispatcher did not give a direct order, but a guidance to avoid any confrontation. Mr. Zimmerman irgored the suggestion.

    Clearly as indicated via the phone conversation between the young man and his girlfriend, he believes he is being followed, staked and he attempting to avoid the man stalking him. He doesn’t know who the man is. He has no clue what he wants or why he is following him.

    Nothing not one thing in the phone call by Mr. Zimmerman indicates any reason to suspect criminal activity, despite Mr. Zimmerman’s attempt to provide cause for his own actions. He is looking around, he looks creepy, he has his hands in waisteband — (an attempt to suggest a weapon?), a series of “break ins” — unrelated in any manner to the young man in question. he is looking at me . . . nothing in his comments suggest criminal intent or suspicious behavior. Interestingly enough, Mr. Zimmerman identifies the young man as a teenager. The photo taken and distributed of Trayvon Martin was taken is months before the incident.

    Mr. Zimmerman never makes an attempt to identify who is or why he is following the young man and there is every reason for the young man minding his own business to be suspicious of an unknown person following around.

    Here is the stalking laws in Florida.

    https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_784-048

    I know that as a conservative in the minds of many of you, I am supposed to hop on board any killing of any black man anywhere and every time regardless of the issues and events involved. But in these cases, the evidence demonstrably is against the initiators. Their actions caused the sequence of events.
    ——————

    But by all means and with haste let’s import those hispanics to replace Us citizens.

    • Replies: @A123
  124. A123 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    In the Florida incident, I will correct one reference — the dispatcher did not give a direct order, but a guidance to avoid any confrontation. Mr. Zimmerman irgored the suggestion.

    The clerks on the 911 phone line can gives advice but not orders. They are not sworn law enforcement officers. For the most part, they are working from a script that may or may not fit the situation.

    Nothing not one thing in the phone call by Mr. Zimmerman indicates any reason to suspect criminal activity, despite Mr. Zimmerman’s attempt to provide cause for his own actions.

    There had been multiple break ins at the housing sub division and the police arrived too late each time. There was a very logical reason to be concerned about strangers in the area.

    If Trayvon had gone directly to the store and directly home, there would have been no engagement. Aimlessly wandering in a residential area while not illegal is certainly abnormal. Appearing to examine parked cars, possibly for exposed valuables, is inherently suspicious.

    Mr. Zimmerman never makes an attempt to identify who is or why he is following the young man and there is every reason for the young man minding his own business to be suspicious of an unknown person following around.

    Maintaining physical separation eliminates the risk of an unintended physical confrontation. Not approaching within speaking distance is the correct procedure.

    Where Zimmerman did make an error is — After he lost visual contact, he went forward. Without support, the correct tactic would have been to withdraw to a location with good visibility.

    The facts are not in doubt:

    — Trayvon intentionally laid a trap for Zimmerman.
    — Trayvon closed to combat range and attacked first.
    — Trayvon was attempting to kill Zimmerman by pounding his head against a concrete slab.
    Zimmerman used the minimum force needed to save his own life when he shot the the strength trained football player and aspiring MMA combatant that was on top of him.

    Do you really believe that Trayvon had the right to ambush and kill Zimmerman for ‘observing him from a distance’?
    ____

    The sad part about this is that Trayvon had been caught with B&E tools and stolen property. If he had been arrested, or at least detained, it would have saved his life. Instead he was back on the street via a “Civil Release”.

    PEACE 😷

  125. @EliteCommInc.

    You make a good point here. Of course, at the other end of the spectrum you have influential media types (including Nora O’Donnell of CBS News) announcing “New video ‘suggests’ young Black man on English property may have only been trying to get a drink of water”. They then show a snippet of video that shows no such thing. It’s the lawyer for the pathetic, grovelling Mr. English who ‘suggests’ this possibility.

    • Replies: @Gizmo880
  126. uhhh . . . I have already addressed this . . .

    And Mr. Zimmerman did not heed that advice. There is absolutely no evidence that that Mr. Zimmerman was aware that the person he was stalking was a criminal. Nothing suggests he was a a party to any break-ins. The fact there were break is not cause enough to stalk this particular young man.

    ————

    No kidding he went forward and the young man in his own defense responded to someone he did not know after creating an aura of hostility by following him. He could and should have immediately identified himself as a neighborhood watch member and was checking out the neighborhood —

    One doesn’t need to engage in anything threatening to accomplish that and still maintain a safe distance.

    the minute you grant this,

    “Where Zimmerman did make an error is — After he lost visual contact, he went forward. Without support, the correct tactic would have been to withdraw to a location with good visibility.”

    you admit that he created a situation in which the person he did know had every reason to feel threatened enough to respond in his defense. All of Mr. Zimmerman’s actions that night were predicated on unsupported suspicions in his own mind. I hate to say this but if I am being followed by a grown man — I am going to avoid him and I am going tell my girlfriend some “creepy is following me.”

    Mr. Zimmerman’s, says, “there’s something wrong with this guy.” Something wrong like what — generic nonsense. A young man is carrying some goodies he bought at the local art and chit chatting with his girlfriend.

    I don’t think we really who did what first, but clearly the person most afraid or under threat and reasonable so is the young man being followed by some guy in dimly apartment complex, whom he openly and admitted by both is attempting to avoid. The young man very early on indicates by way of eye contact that he has his eye on this stalker, whom he doesn’t know has no idea what he wants or why, but is intent on avoiding. There is absolutely no idea that Trayvon Martin is setting a trap — he really just wants to talk to his girlfriend and (get home). at some in time they run into each other again and this time, Mr. Martin decides to act in self defense.

    Now for one minute let;s play with your setting trap notion. He is being stalked, he makes a plan to evade or give himself an advantage — self defense in both scenarios. None of which would be an issue if:

    1. Mr. Zimmerman was in some identifying clothing
    2. Mr. Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and waited for police
    3. Mr. Zimmerman had heeded the advice of the dispatcher
    4. Mr Zimmeran contacted the watch on duty that night and requested assistance or left the matter
    5. Mr. Zimmerman could have minded his business that night as he was not on call for duty and contacted either the police or the watch or both and gone home.

    instead a grown man made the choice to follow a kid around at night never once indicting that he was part of the watch. He could have called it out . . . yada yada yada. he could have gone in and gotten a flashlight . . . anything to distinguish himself from a “creepy stalker”.

    ————–

    Oy veh . . .

    “Do you really believe that Trayvon had the right to ambush and kill Zimmerman for ‘observing him from a distance’?”

    Laughing and absolutely!

    Stalkers don’t get in your face right, they check you out. And I bet twenty to one that the size, if it as you say is correct, would have caused the young man to be even more confused and somewhat intimidated — as his size alone might have been considered warning for anyone seeking to bother him — so the fact that some creepy guy was following him only heightens the tension and the hostility kicking in the self defense mechanism.

    This is not really that complicated.

    —————————————-

    I am at the moment forced to exercise when I do at night or in dimly lit spaces. But when i walk, tun cross cars, garages, etc. that are open. In the old days, i might have walked and checked to see if someone was hurt or possibly knocked on a door to let them know — their door was open. If I see a woman walking without a light, might have spokes encouragement to do so, offer my light — but these days, and I am sure that in the time of the death of this young man — I tend to my business and unless I see or hear an overt act —-

    Because my approach to anyone’s home or person at night could very easily be misinterpreted. I avoid walking behind people at night and exercise caution if I have to pass someone — because they could reasonable have a fear of an unknown — and if I were tun when they turn, speed up when they speed up, stop when they stop or continue approaching — then ll bets are off what is going through their minds.

    The person in which the evidence indicates a reasonable expectation of fear is the young man. He is the one avoiding contact. Afterall, if he was just a thug looking for a fight, Mr. Zimmerman presented plenty of opportunities and the evidence is pretty clear he sought to avoid any confrontation wit the creepy guy following him until a situation arose in which he felt he could not.

    Calling foul after one has created the hostile environment simply has no veracity.

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  127. Gizmo880 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Jesus Christ, quit lying through your teeth. George Zimmerman in no way engaged in any form of stalking of the full of himself punk Trayvon Martin. What he did do is what happens every single day in this country. Every Single Fucking Day, multiple times. Someone in a community calls police because of a suspicious person. There is nothing wrong or illegal about that, nor should there ever be.

    Listen to the phone call of Zimmerman talking to the police and try any way possible to call that stalking. I absolutely dare you to. Zimmerman is talking to the police for over 4 minutes in an absolutely calm and perfectly legal manner, in which time the thug Trayvon could have crawled on his hands and knees back to where he was staying.


    What happened is what the evidence at trial clearly showed. Trayvon came back to put a ghetto beatdown on someone for ‘disrespecting’ him, but unfortunately for him he got a little more than what he bargained for, and what he absolutely deserved.

    • Agree: acementhead
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  128. Gizmo880 says:
    @Rouetheday

    Mr. English and his lawyer are playing the same game as the store owners in the Michael Brown case played when they came out and said that they weren’t the ones who called the police on young Mr. Brown. Both are simply trying to avoid the wrath and insanity of the ultra left wing mob and media out for blood in both cases, the facts be damned.

  129. A123 says:

    “Do you really believe that Trayvon had the right to ambush and kill Zimmerman for ‘observing him from a distance’?”

    Laughing and absolutely!

    So you are willing to be ambushed and die if someone finds your ‘presence at a distance’ objectionable? Really? I have a hard time believing that.
    ____

    Trayvon did something reasonable. He broke contact with the potential threat. Anyone with legitimate intentions and sound mind would use the opportunity to disengage with the danger. However, Trayvon had illegitimate intentions and unsound, probably chemically impacted mind. (1)

    There are a series of compelling articles on the web that describe Martin’s alleged abuse of a powerful, home-made PCP-like drug called “Lean” (also known as “Skittles”). Its reported side-effects can include breaks with reality, extreme paranoia and fits of violence.

    He did something even stupider than Zimmerman. Trayvon intentionally laid an ambush, will the intent to to assault and the potential to kill.
    _____

    There is absolutely no idea that Trayvon Martin is setting a trap — he really just wants to talk to his girlfriend and (get home). at some in time they run into each other again and this time, Mr. Martin decides to act in self defense

    Wrong on the facts.

    If Travyon had gone home rather than a lengthy excursion through the neighborhood, he would have made it home. He did not want to talk to his girlfriend and (get home).

    Which girlfriend are you talking about. The one the phone? Or, the totally different person at the trial? The inconsistencies in the prosecution story were abysmal, but I don’t want to get off point.

    They did not accidentally run into each other again and this time, Mr. Martin decides to act in self defense. In an act of offense, Trayvon addled by a PCP-analogue initiated combat. An immoral assault on what he believes was an unarmed, defseless, pudgy foe.

    In his own words, Trayvon revelled in causing pain and injury to others: (2)

    The Judge in the Zimmerman trial just ruled that the jury will not get to see numerous text messages on Trayvon Martin’s phone regarding his prowess at fighting, including texts as to how to punch someone in the nose and make them bleed.

    His pudgy, but not defenseless foe had a pistol.
    ____

    If you want to say that Zimmerman was unwise or even stupid. Fair enough…

    However unwise or stupid… There is no rational, legal, or moral basis for Trayvon’s drug induced ambush, first strike, and attempted murder of Zimmerman.
    ____

    The real criminals are Trayvon’s parents. Instead of raising a child to be an adult, they allowed a child to become an violent animal. Alas, there is no law that covers their misdeeds. They will have to answer to a higher power.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/07/trayvon-martin-burglary-tools-and-pcp.html

    (2) https://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/breaking-jury-will-not-get-to-see-trayvon-fighting-texts/

    • Agree: anarchyst
  130. @Gizmo880

    I have one simple response for your narrative, look up the definition for stalking statues in Florida.

    by the time Mr. Zimmerman calls the police he had already been following him, for no apparent reasons except for what his mind could conjure up. It was his behavior that caused a the young man to engage in evasive behavior . . . which only fed Mr. Zimmerman’s already warped sense of suspicious, such that despite the police dispatcher advisory he continued to follow — stalk the young man.

    Now I have no issues with his suspicious, fine. But his acting on them in the manner he did initiated all the events that followed. If anyone was looking for a confrontation it was Mister Zimmerman. had he simply stopped after that call, I think there would be room to consider some other aspects. But that choice was pivotal and telling.

    Laughing. He could have crawled on his hands and knees — in response to a “creepy guy” following him. That’s rich. That young man’s response was absolutely understandable based on the events. He couldn’t escape him when he was “running” Mr. Zimmerman’s words. is worst descriptions don’t make the suspicious meter based on some “creepy guy” following him. Furthermore, Mr. Zimmerman is not stationary, he is following during that conversation. The “thug” as opposed to going on the offensive, moves in the opposite direction. Another reasonable and sane response to a “creepy guy” following you around at night in an apartment complex.

    I have no idea how long it takes to reconfigure one’s mind from a would be ‘creepy guy’ following you around. Four all we know that young man could have been hiding hoping not be seen by the creepy guy, not for a fight but to avoid one — but when surprise there’s the “creepy guy” he goes on the offensive — totally reasonable. Which is exactly why the advisory from the dispatcher and neighborhood watch protocols actually discourage anything that escalates an encounter.

    I have walked. spoken and chewed gum while on the phone at the same time. He’s manner may sound calm to you, but his description is just grasping at straws to justify the call. Which is fine, but then he makes that choice to continue following him. This behavior is stalking, and it is unnecessary and provocative. An a look at the national Neighborhood Watch references to suspicious behavior — Trayvon Martin doesn’t even fit that bill.

    Look I am not pulling rabbits out your empty hat — it is what is on the record. There’s one person not in any manner violating the law or even custom and there’s another person breaking custom ad the law who is the adult trained to do just the opposite of what he does.

    In the evening alone — its reasonable to avoid someone you don;t know, who does not engage in any communication with you, but follows you around —- to engage in self defense, against a “creepy guy” following you around a dimly lit complex —- very reasonable course of action.

  131. “There is no rational, legal, or moral basis for Trayvon’s drug induced ambush, first strike, and attempted murder of Zimmerman.”

    First, there was only a trace amount of THC, so any suggestion that this incident is the result of being drug induced is buffered and more importantly, that trace amount is irrelevant.

    Second, sure male bravado about who they can and how much they enjoy getting the better of the other guy — snore and snore . . . laughing. But also irrelevant. Suppose a person likes fighting. He was not fighting that night. It was not the phone call that instigated or warranted the stalking behavior of Mr. Zimmerman. There is nothing violent about that young man’s behavior, despite the attempt describe the behavior as suspicious — those descriptions just don’t make the grade. Mr. Zimmerman has no idea about his background and nothing that young man does warrants the targeting. Furthermore — blaming the victim because in the mind of Mr. Zimmerman he was wandering a bout the neighborhood” something he could not know since he had no idea where he lived. Which is moot point because in avoiding the “creepy guy” — that is no longer an issue. The avoidance is.

    Rational and legal defending oneself against a “creepy guy” who has been following you in dimly lit complex at night.

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  132. Here’s the difference between Trayvon Martin and the current executive. His parents aren’t rich enough to move him from school to school, get special counseling and be well connected.

  133. @EliteCommInc.

    Trayvon purchased his snacks at 6:24 PM. According to Google Maps, it takes 19 minutes to walk from the store where the purchase was made to Trayvon’s home. Zimmerman calls the police at 7:09 PM. At least 20 minutes of Trayvon’s actions are unaccounted for. What was Trayvon doing? At the very least he was loitering and thus suspicious.

  134. “Zimmerman calls the police at 7:09 PM. At least 20 minutes of Trayvon’s actions are unaccounted for. What was Trayvon doing? At the very least he was loitering and thus suspicious.’

    The same thing anyone might have been doing. And by and large not a crime and none of our or my business. By what is on the record he is chatting on the phone with, a young lady no less . . .

    Ohhh shock of hock teens on a phone when they should be doing their homework, shock of shock teen meandering about wasting time, shock of shock teen boys and teen girls on the phone talking all things vital to them, but of no real meaning or purpose to adults . . .

    and the shocker of all shockers . . .

    teens about and no one has a clue what they are doing — not even them.

    Loitering is not a crime by itself, I have no ides what the statute is in Florida or that particular jurisdiction —

    News flash . . . What are teens doing . . . even inquiring parents don’t know

    But that you assume he was loitering based on . . . . wait for it . . .

    your lack of knowledge if what he was doing is an interesting bit of evidence. I am not even sure if you are resident of a location that one can loiter. Laugh.

    Suspicion is not the issue. Mr. Zimmerman could have been suspicious all the live long day — how he responded based on the same is the issue. He responded to those suspicions as a “creepy guy” following a teenager. In other words he was:

    creepy or scary, eerie, ominuos, sinister, scary, unpleasant, awful, hair raising, macabre
    nightmarish . . . . disturbing, unsettling, wierd, forbidding, frightening, horrible, terrifying . . .

    https://www.powerthesaurus.org/creepy

    I hate to break it to you, but any tough guy who uses the word “creepy” in the context of that environment is at the very least nervous — scared. To think that teen boys however tougher can’t be unnerved by the behavior of adults is a very interesting perspective. When I walk at night I get creeped out on occasion by my surroundings, alerted at strange noises . . . imagine being trailed at night . . . by an unknown person of unknown motive(s) an your alone.

    good grief

    a failure to respond further is not intended as disrespect – I just have to attend to some matters . . .

    it has been or is interesting and regrettable

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    , @MalePaleStale
  135. A123 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Loitering is not a crime by itself, I have no ides what the statute is in Florida or that particular jurisdiction

    However, loitering is inherently suspicious. Which is why Trayvon was being legally observed.

    I hate to break it to you, but any tough guy who uses the word “creepy” in the context of that environment is at the very least nervous — scared.

    The facts disprove this assertion. He clearly was not scared. If Trayvon had been scared, he would have gone to his safe home or otherwise disengaged.

    Trayvon, was angered by the creep who stood in the way of his smash-&-grab car robbery scheme. So, Trayvon laid an ambush to get rid of the ‘offensive creep’.
    ____

    Being ‘creepy’ is not a crime. It certainly does not warrant death.

    Regardless of what one feels about Zimmerman’s lack of wisdom, the truth remains obvious. Trayvon began the fight to the death when he launched a surprise attack. Zimmerman, in justified fear for his life, did the right thing.
    ____

    You can, of course, continue to bloviate if you want to. However, you will not change any minds.

    — One must be racist to accept that Trayvon is innocent.
    — 100% of racists already believe Trayvon is innocent.

    There are no minds available for you to convince.

    PEACE 😷

  136. @EliteCommInc.

    We don’t know if Trayvon used the word “creepy” or not. The woman who testified to speaking on the cell phone with Trayvon was not the woman who actually spoke with Trayvon. That’s the major revelation of the documentary. Get up to speed. If the true “Brittany Diamond Eugene” is questioned, we may find out Trayvon’s quick temper may have earned him a permanent time out. Giggle. Snort.

    I became suspicious of the mainstream narrative when I saw video footage of the gated community. It was clear anyone on foot could easily elude anyone in a vehicle. Trayvon had plenty of time to return to the safety of his home. Of course, you probably subscribe to the theory put forth by Rachel Jeantel, the phony witness, that Zimmerman was a gay rapist and Trayvon did not return home to protect his family. Giggle. Snort.

  137. “However, loitering is inherently suspicious. Which is why Trayvon was being legally observed.”

    A. As has been noted, suspicious is in the mind of the beholder and while I I certainly challenge anyone’s assumption that loitering, if that is in fact what he was doing is nit suspicious, nor it is a crime nor the point. The real issue is how one responds to that suspicion held in the mind. So again,

    1. no evidence he was loitering
    2. nothing about his behavior was criminal —
    3. nothing about his behavior was criminally suspicious
    4. we have no idea what he was doing
    5. we do know
    a. he was walking
    b. he was on the phone
    c. at the time he was seen his conduct was neither suspicious nor criminal
    6. that his conduct at was to avoid the “creepy guy” following him

    False loitering is not inherently anything — it means hanging about it also means hanging about doing nothing — in other words — not committing a crime. He was visiting with – staying his father — that location was his residence. He was legally walking where he resided.

    Nice try . . . good grief. Its no wonder so many innocent people land in altercations — when doing nothing is suspicions behavior and doing nothing at night apparently is cause stalking. Your suspicion does not a crime make.

    B. “Creepy” is not a crime. But the definition of the term he references in the phone call — fact as noted — it goes to his state of mind. And that word in every way indicates that he felt at threat — by the guy following him which is why the term is a synonym for “threatening.” Not by his appearance but by his behavior — stalking and that stalking against advise and protocol. No. Mr. Zimmerman’s behavior was not stupid it was reckless and made so by his provocative behavior.

    c. “The facts disprove this assertion. He clearly was not scared. If Trayvon had been scared, he would have gone to his safe home or otherwise disengaged.”

    I hate to break the news to you — but a soothsayer you are not. There is no definitive response to fear. People respond to threat in any number of ways an one simply does not know. Members in service who may have to deal with threats spend months, and years preparing how to respond to threatening situations hat they by choice of their service may encounter. Responding to said threat environments is always introduced as “fight or flight” a natural response in humans and animals alike.

    Here’s a short course for you:
    https://www.britannica.com/science/fight-or-flight-response

    and if the above source is too hard
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response

    There’s no evidence of any ambush. There’s an unsupported narrative regarding an ambush. But suppose that narrative is correct, that is the fight response to threat and it is reasonable in light of being stalked. Before the stalker surprises me, I while surprise it. The hunter becomes the hunted so to speak — that’s called self defense. And it is entirely reasonable.

    (And why my walks have been crucial to my own recovery in that regard — note to self.)

    Oy Veh and Oy!

    Frankly, I have no idea hat you are talking about. Skin color is simply not in play in this discussion. It simply does not matter a lick if what the skin tones are here. It’s the behavior in play. I generally avoid people – regardless of their skin tones. But when I did not, I trained people of multiple shades, ethnic backgrounds (nationalities), and genders etc. I am unaware of any complaint or suggestion that anything other than performance matter to me. Here I am tending to the performances (the behaviors) of those involved. In this discussion have not referenced anything but behaviors. If that young man was Loretta Lynn, my comments would be no different. If that young man was Her General Herman Goring, my responses would be the same.

    As to what the response is in a state of fear — your assessment is not only wrong, it is by the record – flat out incorrect and it is incorrect in every way.

    D. “There are no minds available for you to convince.”

    I think you mean there are no minds

    — Laugh.

    so sayeth the preacher: Beware of those coming crying peace peace when there is no peace or peace peace when they have war in mind. I have to say, your personal attacks betray any suggestion that I should expect peace from you. “Calling me a “racist’ of all things — laugh.

    Peace not on a bet

    • Replies: @A123
  138. “We don’t know if Trayvon used the word “creepy” or not. The woman who testified to speaking on the cell phone with Trayvon was not the woman who actually spoke with Trayvon. That’s the major revelation of the documentary. Get up to speed. If the true “Brittany Diamond Eugene” is questioned, we may find out Trayvon’s quick temper may have earned him a permanent time out. Giggle. Snort”

    No. The exact phrase he uses is

    “creepy *@#$ cracker” (body part) or “cracka” even the use of the “n word” is description of his state of mind.

    He obviously feeling threatened.

    Her subsequent insecurities don’t change —

    You might want to actually listen to her testimony. It is devastating. And corroborates the assessment —

    it matters not a twiddle what his disposition is about anyone — all indications are — he is avoiding conflict.

    And the prosecution’s behavior — verifies – in my view — just how devastating that conversation is.

  139. “I became suspicious of the mainstream narrative when I saw video footage of the gated community. It was clear anyone on foot could easily elude anyone in a vehicle. Trayvon had plenty of time to return to the safety of his home. Of course, you probably subscribe to the theory put forth by Rachel Jeantel, the phony witness, that Zimmerman was a gay rapist and Trayvon did not return home to protect his family. Giggle. Snort.”

    You utterly misunderstand the context of that exchange. she is easing him — she is making an attempt to decrease his tension by making a joke — those darn teenagers ever making light. The young man responds, that it is really funny . . . or it may be funny but at that moment he is is clearly uncomfortable.
    “Don’t tease me like that.”

    I am not sure that your admonition about who is up to speed or not can overcome your seeming lack of comprehending the context of that exchange.

    It doesn’t matter an ants hill whether Mr. Zimmerman has chose a life of engaging in same sex behavior or not. The issue is that he is stalking a teenager despite every known precautionary standard of the watch and the immediate advice of law enforcement personnel. He is not in the vehicle. And everything indicates that the young man in question was threatened . . . Mr. Zimmerman’s reckless choices exacerbated a simple kid walking and talking on the phone on his way home.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  140. A123 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    loitering is not inherently anything — it means hanging about it also means hanging about doing nothing — in other words — not committing a crime.

    Correct. Loitering is an abnormal behaviour but not a criminal one.

    There is no definitive response to fear. People respond to threat in any number of ways an one simply does not know …
    “fight or flight” a natural response in humans and animals alike.

    Also true. However does Trayvon express fear:
    — Reflexive / Adrenaline Flight — No. He did not disengage.
    — Reflexive / Adrenaline Fight — No. He did not turn and engage.

    We know from the record that there were several “non-adrenaline” minutes between Zimmerman losing visual contact and Trayvon’s attack.

    The behaviour was not fearful. Just the opposite — Trayvon’s behaviour was pre-meditated, rational, planned, military style tactics. If Zimmerman had not been armed, he would be dead.
    _____

    You keep trying to obfuscate the race issue, but again fail on the facts.

    Trayvon called Zimmerman “Cracker”, an openly racist term, before he calmly planned his offense. All rational non-racists understand that Trayvon committed a hate crime against Zimmerman because of his lighter skin tone.

    Only racists, such as yourself, believe that Trayvon is innocent.

    As you have a closed mind. I choose this point to disengage. I cannot get past your irrational skin color based hate. I can only give you one parting piece of advice:

    Be Less Racist. You Will be Happier in the Long Run.

    PEACE 😷

  141. @EliteCommInc.

    correction:

    You utterly misunderstand the context of that exchange. she is teasing him — she is making an attempt to decrease his tension by making a joke — those darn teenagers ever making light. The young man responds, that it is not really funny . . . or it may be funny but at that moment he is is clearly uncomfortable.

    “Don’t tease me like that.”

  142. A. “Correct. Loitering is an abnormal behavior but not a criminal one.’

    Nothing abnormal about it — billions do it every day — most of us do it more than once — just people hanging out. And as I make clear not by itself suspicious or crime and there’s no evidence that the young man was so engaged. And I make no suggestion that it is.

    B. “Also true. However does Trayvon express fear:
    — Reflexive / Adrenaline Flight — No. He did not disengage.
    — Reflexive / Adrenaline Fight — No. He did not turn and engage.”

    Well, that’s interesting you grant the point. By do so, you acknowledge that your assessment about what constitutes a fear response was incorrect. That is an admission based on fact — So clearly acting in self defense was perfectly reasonable. Now you want to say that the manner of self defense he chose indicates he was not afraid . . . laugh. It’s not hard. That young man was afraid of the creepy guy stalking him. He makes attempts to avoid him. According to Mr Zimmerman (though nothing supports it) he says that the young man is running and that run is away from him. Now there is no evidence that the young man ever entrapped Mr. Zimmerman by deliberate intent or tat Mr Zimmerman was trapped at all. But if it was deliberate — that would still be an act of self defence. Your pretzel has in fact ensnared you. what is really funny is the military skill you give the teenager. That is really really rich and interesting. But again, that only reinforces the obvious, the young man was scared of the creepy adult and unable to avoid him, made the choice to ‘engage’ as you call it. The fact that he used stealth in self defence does not diminish the young man’s fear or his act of self defense. Both are obvious and both reasonable.

    C. You have no idea if that young man’s ct of self defense would have ended M. Zimmerman’s life.

    D. Obfuscate: render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible. I make no such attempt.

    1. But let’s be clear my response on the matter is to your unsupported accusation about me. You introduce as a comment about my person. I never introduce the matter of color in this exchange and for this discussion it has no relevance for me to do so. I keep my comments strictly to behavior.

    2. Now the term cracker is not really racist. It’s a term referring to a red neck . it is derived from whites working in the hot son and getting sunburned on the backs of their necks. So when the reference is made it simply means a white person. No aggressive action takes place in conjunction with the term – so there’s no real ca for a hate crime. But it is juxtaposed against a very peculiar reference, the n-word. And here your press for a hate crime falls apart. That term as i understand it has various meanings – depending on the context, one of them is a derrogatory reference to another who is bothersome, causing trouble, harrassing, hassling . . . it about a condition in this case it indicates that the young man’s anxiety has increased. Because while whites may use the term in reference to blacks, black would not use the term in reference to a meaning of white, it has a meaning of the condition hassled, harassed, threatened . . .creepy, etc. Mr. Zimmerman is black an the young man doesn’t think he’s black as indicated by the term

    “cracker”

    no that reference is an indication of stress. What I find odd is that none of this with respect to how people communicate, especially how males might respond to each other is fairly obvious. That young man make every effort to withdraw, that pursuit continues, exacerbating the tension, increasing the fear, the anxiety, the creepiness. As a buffer/response against or to the same the young man engages in self defense.

    D. No that young man that teenager commits an act of self defense — which you already admit is one possible response to fear and reasonable. A hate crime is an act predicated on one’s animus. There is not an iota of evidence that the young an in question was motivated in that manner. He does not initiate ant aggressive or even assertive behavior based on the gentleman in question skin color. Those references are purely conditional and identification – that’s it. Now the game is played that any reference to the superficial during an altercation constitutes a hate crime – wrong.

    Motivated by: https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-crime/

    Based on your own line of analysis had the color been an issue, the young man would have attacked immediately on the site of the “creepy guy” because he was white. It never happens as a motivator. So your assessment once again by the actual meaning of terms — is incorrect. Like obfuscate — I never even tip my toe in that water, there’s no need and no evidence.

  143. As for your venture to make the matter about me . . . Oy veh. Shocking and surprisingly not.

    In response,

    You ability to make over generalized assertions and then declaring anyone who doesn’t do as you think they ought is a this or that in case “racist’ is funny. Unlike the general public. I tend to the actual meaning of the term. The treatment of others in violation of the /the constitution based on artifacts of no real meaning/superficial. Just because someone uses an epithet does not by that alone make one a racist. Laughing , I have done neither and you are on about this application -strange, wrong but interesting.

    Now should you have evidence that I have in any manner engaged in violating another’s right based on skin color — you are welcome to introduce the same.

    I have entertained your nonsensical personal assail. Which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

  144. For the record, i am not a hate rime advocate. either you violated someone’s rights by way some act against or you did not

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  145. @silviosilver

    If George Zimmerman had been named Jorge Gonzalez we would have never heard of the shooting.

  146. @EliteCommInc.

    Correction:

    For the record, i am not a hate crime advocate. either one violated someone’s rights by way some act against them or one did not

  147. @A123

    It’s not Muslims who say Christ is boiling in excrement. It wasn’t Muslims who demanded the murder of Christ and took every opportunity they could to make sure He died. You are no Christian if you put the lives of Christ killers over all others

    • Agree: anarchyst, Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Patagonia Man
  148. A123 says:
    @Pop Warner

    It’s not Muslims who say Christ is boiling in excrement.

    This is exclusively a Muslim statement. Servants of the Anti-Christ Muhammad lie for Satan in an attempt to distract Infidels. The practice is known as Taqiyya. (1)

    Of course as Satanist, you already knew this. You were just hoping that as a Christian, I would not.

    You are no Christian if you put the lives of Christ killers over all others

    I do not put the lives of the followers of the Satan/Allah, the killers of Christ, over all others.

    Your Lord Satan, enemy of Jews and Christians, directed the execution the Son of God.

    It wasn’t Muslims who demanded the murder of Christ

    The Cult of Satan may not have been known as “Muslim” until hundreds of years later when the Anti-Christ Muhammad walked the Earth.

    However, there is one certain TRUTH.

    As followers of the Cult of Satan/Allah today’s Muslim followers of the Anti-Christ Muhammad bear 100% of the responsibility and blame for that crime against the Son of God. No amount of Taqiyya deception can shift the burden of that Ultimate Evil to any other faith.

    No Muslim will ever enter Heaven without Contrition and Absolution. I would help you if I could, but your soul was permanently damaged by your Inshallah submission to Satan and the Anti-Christ. All I can do is offer you forgiveness and pity.
    _______

    Pop Shia Warner, I PITY YOU 😢
    _______

    (1) http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

  149. Your Lord Satan, enemy of Jews and Christians, directed the execution the Son of God

    Notice that this delusion ignores any human agency. Do people not have free will to make up their own minds as to the actions they take? Of course they do!

    The fact of the matter is, incited by the religious authorities of His day (the Pharisees and Sadducees), Jewish people chanted:

    ‘Let the blood of this man be on our children, and on our children’s children!’
    ‘Let the blood of this man be on our children, and on our children’s children!’
    ‘Let the blood of this man be on our children, and on our children’s children!’

    This of course explains why:
    1. they’ve been persecuted down through the ages – being expelled from 109 regions and countries; and
    2. the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE – and we know that you full well know the symbolism of that!

    And what makes you think that Jesus the Prophet, who some call Christ, is the only prophet killed by the Jews?

    And why do you think that the Book of Revelation (considered to be written by John the Evangelist) refers to the “Synagogue of Satan” and the six-pointed star as the “star of Remphan” referring to the`god’ Saturn?

    You can blaspheme all you like, but know in your heart that expressing a personal bias is not expressing the facts of the matter.

    • Agree: europeasant
    • Replies: @A123
  150. @Pop Warner

    Hi Pop, you may like to read my reply below.

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
  151. A123 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Notice that this delusion ignores any human agency. Do people not have free will to make up their own minds as to the actions they take? Of course they do!

    This is correct. However, it is disconnected from everything else you say.

    Judas, follower of Allah/Satan, had free will. He chose poorly.
    _____

    There are a couple of special cases:

    — Jesus, the Son of God
    — Muhammad, the Son of Allah/Satan

    Clearly, Jesus had free will and chose to sacrifice for God and Man. Muhammad had free will and chose to rape 9 year old Aisha as a Testament to Evil.

    You can see how they are both spiritual beacons of their father’s doctrines.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  152. Laughing.

    I guess closing the door and or changing the subject is a good way to run from losing arguments.

    ———————————-

    In the matter of Christ — by whom all men must be saved. Based on what available scripture we have — despite my respect for people of some faith — neither Jews nor Muslims can make any unique claim o Christ as a spiritual embrace.

    Short versions;

    Non-converted Jews think Christ was a heretic: a liar, a usurper, a con man, misguided and or out of his mind and they reject him in full as much — in fact to remain a faithful faith and practicing Jew — by definition one has to reject the Christ

    Muslims think that the Christ was not the Christ either, but rather a enlightened prophet, who testimony and wisdom he shared freely, he might have been the son of God, but he was not the Son of God descended directly from the father, nor did he rise from the grave, but that he was a kindred spirit of Mohammed as brother prophet and all of this resurrection stuff was a cooked up story by his followers and claims of savior are heretical

    Oddly enough both Jews and Muslims both think the resurrection a cooked up tale by his followers and is a lie. Trying to decipher whether Muslims or Jews is better follower of Jesus is like tying to decide whether one should poke themselves in the right eye or the left. Whichever causes offence — and both cause offense,

    for the followers of Christ neither Jews or Muslims hold superior position. And the Apostles, followers of Christ all jews prior to salvation make that case — it is entirely incorrect to iew the care for jews that a christian may experience is a substitute for a higher rung 0n the ladder of christian faith.

    • Replies: @A123
  153. A123 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Non-converted Jews think Christ was a heretic: a liar, a usurper, a con man, misguided and or out of his mind and they reject him in full as much — in fact to remain a faithful faith and practicing Jew — by definition one has to reject the Christ

    Jews think of Jesus as the local boy who has done well. Not to be worshipped as Son of God, but they bear no animus towards Jesus.

    Muslims routinely spread Taqiyya lies about Jewish attitudes toward Jesus in order to manufacture conflict between infidel enemies.

    Muslims think that the Christ was not the Christ either, but rather a enlightened prophet, who testimony and wisdom he shared freely, he … he was a kindred spirit of Mohammed as brother prophet

    Ludicrous.

    The purpose of the Anti-Christ Muhammad’s time on Earth was to oppose Christ in all things and defile the memory of Jesus. Muhammad’s Jihad called for the murder, rape, and/or forced conversion of all those who followed Son of God.

    The Demon Issa mentioned in the Satanic Verses of the Quran has nothing to do with Jesus, the Son of God. Again, Taqiyya requires this intentional mis-translation by the Blood Cultist Followers of Allah/Satan.

    PEACE 😷

  154. “Jews think of Jesus as the local boy who has done well. Not to be worshipped as Son of God, but they bear no animus towards Jesus.”

    You are a curious fellow. I am sure there may be Jews who think as you do. But if one leans of scripture, the jewish opposition, especially among the leadership was not an open secret — it was open opposition. they took some care because Jess was popular, but make no mistake they sought to curb him or do away with him. And in the end, — the Jewish population abandoned him.

    That in no manner is cause to engage in war against the Jews, afterall the gentiles gave them what they wanted. But there;s no reason to sugar coat the or contradict the record.

    As for your comments about muslims, I think you need to spend more time speaking with them on their iews regarding christ. You are on extremes not reflected in reality as held by most Muslims, in my view.

    Not how I eel, or how I think, bu as noted in the record.
    https://www.soundvision.com/article/10-points-christians-should-know-about-muslims-and-jesus

    i stand here I came in

    • Replies: @A123
  155. Curle says:
    @CantSleep

    “ But how the hell did he miss this?! ”

    The filmmaker never says the defense team missed this. Legal tactics is an mysterious world. I don’t presume to understand it.

    Having said that, the filmmaker noted that the prosecution dumped this evidence on the defense team at the last minute and I believe the judge denied an extension.

  156. A123 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You are a curious fellow. I am sure there may be Jews who think as you do.

    I am a Christian, and I have never wound up at religious cross purposes with any of the Jews I have as friends or co-workers. We share the Old Testament, 10 Commandments, and Judeo-Christian values.

    Ultimately, we have the same God even though the form of worship varies.

    I think you need to spend more time speaking with them on their iews regarding christ.

    — Jihad requires all Muslims to kill Christians in the name of Satan/Allah.
    — Taqiyya requires all Muslims to lie to Christians about their murder of Christians for Allah/Satan.

    I am not sure I see any upside to talking with proven liars under Satanic orders to kill my children and defile God. The only way it could be value-added is convincing Muslims to abandon their devotion to Allah/Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. However, given the inherent violent Blood Lust of Jihadi Islam, it is rather too risky.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  157. “I am a Christian, and I have never wound up at religious cross purposes with any of the Jews I have as friends or co-workers. We share the Old Testament, 10 Commandments, and Judeo-Christian values.”

    This has nothing to do with what I stated. This conversation is about whether Jews see Jesus as some kindof hometown boy done good as you press. I think there may be Jews who think as much. However, by and large a Jew who has not coverted must by definition reject the risen christ. Otherwise they would acknowledge him as something more than just a local boy makes good. They are still waiting for the messiah – which by definition means that anyone claiming to be the messiah must be in error by way of: heretic, or off his proverbial rocker.

    The believer on Christ shares a common heritage with the Jews by way of the historical , ethical and spiritual lineage – but that is also the case made by Muslims who embrace a ood del of the old and new testament —-

    However, neither faith embraces the Christ and any claims that Christ has to human salvation, decendent from and with God — as in I am that I am as Christ does in the Gospel of John when he says

    “Before Abraham was — I am” a comment that sends the jews over the edge because Jesus equated himself in manner as God — and the jews were not having it.

    ——————–

    Now to relations with Muslims and Jews – I likewise have had some great relations with both. And that is as it should be in my view. I think it;s great ta people of varying degrees of faith and practice have common sharing. And as long as jews or Muslims aren’t attempting to destroy my life they may believe as they will.

    I don’t have much if response to your tend to overgeneralize people to fit tour conclusion. But your reference to Allah as Satan must be juxtaposed to Christ’s accusation regarding jewish leadership as children of Satan. I think you will find that if you forgo your assumptions and incendiary language you will find that there is common ground for relations with Muslims as well —

    In my iew you are substituting a political affinity or lack thereof for something spiritual. They are not the same thing.

    ————————————–

    ““I am a Christian, and I have never wound up at religious cross purposes with any of the Jews I have as friends or co-workers.”

    Then maybe you’re not aware of what it is christians and jews embrace — because spiritually there are definitive cross purposes.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  158. @A123

    Your personal bias gets in the way of any ability of being objective, i.e. your posts here are entirely subjective – so there is no reason for any contributors to this site to take you seriously.

  159. @A123

    “I am a Christian, and I have never wound up at religious cross purposes with any of the Jews I have as friends or co-workers. We share the Old Testament, 10 Commandments, and Judeo-Christian values.”

    Wrong. Christians come under the New Covenant!

    The Old Testament is only included in the collection of “books” called “The Bible” to substantiate or lay the groundwork for the coming of John The Baptizer and Jesus the Prophet , who some call Christ.

  160. anarchyst says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The Ten Commandments proscribe certain behavior, but the rest of mosaic law relies on a vindictive, vengeful “god” to exact “punishment” on “his people”. That my work fine for jews, as they have their evil “talmud” to rely on, but “for the rest of us, it won’t wash.

    [MORE]

    Our present troubles are a result of a jewish cabal taking over political and social decisions in our nominally “multicultural” country.

    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.

    Jews rejected the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.

    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.

    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism may be the Ten Commandments, nothing more.

    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.

    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status, not true of judaism.

    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock-subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews. In fact, slavery (of goyim) is still condoned and encouraged in the jewish Talmud.

    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ and took full responsibility for doing so. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II ecumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder.

    As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate KNEW Jesus was innocent, but capitulated to the jews as he feared jewish riots.

    How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way)? It makes absolutely no sense at all.

    Jews have no respect for Christianity, for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.

    The jewish talmud reinforces the jewish hatred of Jesus Christ, Christianity, and Catholicism, specifically. According to the jewish talmud, Jesus Christ is “boiling in excrement for eternity” whereas his mother Mary is considered to be a “harlot who consorted with a Roman soldier to conceive Jesus.”

    It is long overdue for the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  161. “The Ten Commandments proscribe certain behavior, but the rest of mosaic law relies on a vindictive, vengeful “god” to exact “punishment” on “his people”. That my work fine for jews, as they have their evil “talmud” to rely on, but “for the rest of us, it won’t wash.”

    Laugh.

    I am not going to go further astray by a discussion on the merits of the torah and its relationship to christian ethos or belief. And I am going to avoid the jew bashing consequence of the same by diving into a debate about the validity of the talmud.

    Suffice it to say that the links between christian faith and the torah are very well grounded. Whether and how one chooses to wrestle with the torah, the talmud or the Qu’ran in relation to self and or christianity is matter for — self. I generally tend to lean on scripture in as proper a context as possible.

    ——————————

    The issues in the US are by and large the consequence of the US leadership and its citizens. Our poor choices cannot be blamed on Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Russia, China . . . and while there are grounds to take issue with other countries — the current state of US domestic and foreign policy is the consequence of US decision making.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  162. anarchyst says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You are using your jewish trait of “misdirection”.
    I mention the talmud and you mention the torah.

    Stay on subject, pal…

    WE are on to you…

  163. “You are using your jewish trait of “misdirection”.
    I mention the talmud and you mention the torah.

    Stay on subject, pal…

    WE are on to you…”

    Oy veh and I have no idea what the whippers snappers are you on about. Laugh.

    One cannot discuss the talmud with referencing the Torah and the old testament.

    And as I recall this article was not about either. The misdirection if that what you mean by off the reservation of the issues doesn’t have a dog’s hair or breath to do with me.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  164. @EliteCommInc.

    correction:

    And as I recall this article was not about either. The misdirection if that is what you mean by

    “stay on the subject”

    the veer off the reservation of the issue doesn’t have a dog’s hair or breath to do with me.

  165. jsinton says:
    @GMC

    It used to be pretty good in the U.S. as far as trust in the media when Walter Cronkite would tell you something. Vietnam war changed all that when the government blamed the media for losing the war.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  166. anarchyst says:
    @jsinton

    Walter Cronkite was a scumbag communist who HATED the USA.

    His declaration that “the (Vietnam) war was lost” was an outright LIE.

    After the TET offensive in 1968, the communists had to rely on North Vietnamese regulars, as the Viet Cong had been wiped out.

    In fact, the North was ready to “deal” in 1968 until cronkite and the American “mainstream media” “snatched defeat from the jaws of victory”.

    The mainstream media has been run by the CIA since the mid 1950s. “Stories” are carefuly “planted” to acheive the desired result…

  167. “Vietnam war changed all that when the government blamed the media for losing the war.”

    Since we are off the reservation of the article – something that has nothing to do with my or my comments. The very second the first official anyone blamed the US for the war in Vietnam . . . truth, already on the defense took a serious hit.

    The evidence says the communist started the war and lost the war but there are very few journalists who are willing to debunk the myths about that conflict and the role of the US in it.

    And when the North Vietnamese commenced to slaughtering their fellows in their “give peace a chance” moment — those same journalists, instructors, politicians, protesters were stunningly silent. I agree that era is very important to who and what the country is today —- but on that issue truth of a mountain unable to be seen for the fog of liberal nonsense.

    Peace loving North Vietnamese — good grief

  168. anarchyst says:

    There are two major issues that have never been realistically discussed due to a journalistic “softness and affinity” for communism.

    One, is the “re-education programs” (actually prison sentences) for those who supported the South or who worked for Americans. Despite claims to the contrary, most “re-education camp” prison sentences were as long as twenty years, not the six-months that the communists claimed.

    Another (and more shameful) situation is the treatment of gravesites and cemeteries for those who fought for the South. To this day, the communist government prohibits the upkeep or even recognition of those who fought honorably for the South.

    Relatives of those who are interred in these cemeteries are prohibited from honoring their dead relatives per communist government edict.

    Just recently, here in the United States there was a ceremony for an elite ARVN unit whose members perished.

    Under communist Vietnamese government edicts they cannot be interred in their ancestral homeland just because of communist intransigence. They have been interred in a public memorial in “little Saigon” in California.

    Yes, there were a lot of bad decisions made and committed with the Vietnam war, but one can hope, that because of our sacrifices, communism could not be imposed with the same zeal that it was imposed on the North.

  169. Hoax crimes amongst blacks are as common as hate hoax crimes amongst Jews. In recent memory Al Sharpton’s hoax with Tawana Brawley all the way to the jogger/burglar in Georgia. The Jews create hoaxes to garner sympathy and leverage. The Blacks learned from them to do the same.

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