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“The centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.” — W. B. Yeats, 1919

Truth is the first victim in politics. Factions and passions rule. Random facts are picked as weapons, no one thinks things through.

We need to understand the facts surrounding the death of George Floyd.
Many key facts are being ignored:

  • Floyd’s blood tests showed a concentration of Fentanyl of about three times the fatal dose.
  • Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid 50 times more potent than heroin. It has rapidly become the most common cause of death among drug addicts.
  • The knee hold used by the police is not a choke hold, it does not impede breathing. It is a body restraint and is not known to have ever caused fatal injury.
  • Floyd already began to complain “I can’t breathe” a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied, while resisting the officers when they tried to get him into the squad car. Fentanyl affects the breathing, causing death by respiratory arrest.
  • It was normal procedure to restrain Floyd because he was resisting arrest, probably in conjunction with excited delirium (EXD), an episode of violent agitation brought on by a drug overdose, typically brief and ending in death from cardiopulmonary arrest.
  • The official autopsy did indeed give cardiopulmonary arrest as the cause of death, and stated that injuries he sustained during the arrest were not life-threatening.
  • Videos of the arrest do not show police beating or striking Floyd, only calmly restraining him
  • In one video Floyd is heard shouting and groaning loudly and incoherently while restrained on the ground, which appears to be a sign of the violent, shouting phase of EXD. His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases. A short spurt of superhuman strength is a classic EXD symptom.

Minneapolis police officers have been charged with Floyd’s murder. Yet all the evidence points to the fact that Floyd had taken a drug overdose so strong that his imminent death could hardly have been prevented. In all likelihood, the police were neither an intentional nor accidental cause of his death. These crucial facts have been completely ignored in the uproar.

It is widely believed that George Floyd died from a police officer’s knee on his neck, whether due to asphyxiation or neck injury. That may be how it looks, to a naïve viewer. In reality, the county autopsy report says he died of a heart attack,[1]https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authoriti...-here/ The full autopsy report was published here https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents...yd.pdf Diagnoses are summarized on pp. 1 and 2: I. The “blunt force injuries” are basically minor cuts and bruises: “cutaneous” injuries and contusions from handcuffing. II. Chronic conditions: Heart disease, hypertension and enlarged heart. These all tend to accelerate death from a drug overdose. They can also develop from long-term drug abuse. III. No injuries to the front of the neck or throat were found. This full 76-page report does not contain the word “homicide.” and states that there were “no life-threatening injuries.” Then how could they conclude it was homicide?

When scientists review scientific papers, they look primarily at the evidence, and give less weight to the conclusions, which are only the other fellow’s opinions. To blindly follow “expert opinions” is the Authoritarian View of Knowledge. This is no real knowledge at all, because to assess whether an expert is always right, we would need infinite knowledge, and doubly so when experts disagree. Not thinking for oneself is not really thinking.

So let us stick to the evidence. The county’s ambivalent autopsy also included the following hard facts: “Toxicology Findings: Blood samples collected at 9:00 p.m. on May 25th, before Floyd died, tested positive for the following: Fentanyl 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL, … Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL … 86 ng/mL of morphine,” but draws no conclusions therefrom, noting only that “Quantities are given for those who are medically inclined.”

Shouldn’t we be so inclined? This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.[2]https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdo...-10822 “The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. “ Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and “all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome.” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11040428_Fa...rivers (Heroin quickly metabolizes into morphine.) Fentanyl is considered 100 times more potent than morphine. By this comparison, Floyd’s blood fentanyl concentration could have been 10 times the fatal level. In addition his morphine concentration of 86 ng/mL would usually be fatal by itself.
Concentration levels are relative to the volume of blood, so are independent of body size.

If ever there was a leap before a look, we are in it now. Masses of people have become extremists, based on conclusions that are as false as they are hasty.

Regarding suffocation, the county medical examiner’s report found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”[3]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/0...85002/ A report commissioned by the Floyd family stated that asphyxiation from sustained pressure was consistent with the evidence, but the author Michael Baden didn’t have access to all the evidence, and chose not to endorse his opinion with the “expert opinion” label. Pressure applied to the side of the neck, as in this case, and not to the throat, has little or no effect on breathing. One can easily verify this oneself.[4]The knee on the neck is a body hold, not a chokehold or carotid restraint, which involves putting pressure precisely on both carotid arteries, located on either side of the throat. A carotid restraint is usually applied by an elbow, and causes the subject to pass out in as little as 15 seconds. Blocking the arteries does not stop the breathing or heartbeat (pulmonary or cardiac arrest), which Floyd suffered after being restrained for many minutes. Once pressure on the arteries is released, the subject normally regains consciousness quickly.

One difficulty is that there are public statements to the effect that the coroner ruled it a homicide, and the title of the autopsy report includes the term “neck compression.” But the words “homicide,” “restraint,” “stress” or “compression” do not appear in the 20-page body of the report. References to the neck are few — a couple minor abrasions, a contusion on the shoulder, and “The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.” It is as if the title was chosen in regard to what was expected or proposed, but which was never found, and the title was never updated. There seems to be no support at all in the report body for the report title, which reads, “Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

The term “cause of death” does not appear. The words “death” and “fatal” only appear in this comment in the lab report: “Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death. In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.” Floyd’s fentanyl level was seven times higher.

If first impressions via the media fooled the coroner’s office, until they examined the body, we too can be fooled at first, but change our opinion according to the evidence.

Excited Delirium Syndrome

An additional hypothesis involves Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD), a symptom of drug overdose which sometimes appears in the final minutes preceding death. EXD typically results from fatal drug abuse, in past years from cocaine or crack, more recently from fentanyl, which is 50 times more potent than heroin. Especially dangerous are street drugs like meth, heroin or cocaine laced with fentanyl.

According to an article in the Western Journal of Emergency Medicine (WJEM), 2011:[5]https://westjem.com/articles/excited-delirium.html “Excited delirium (EXD) is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest… all accounts describe almost the exact same sequence of events: delirium with agitation (fear, panic, shouting, violence and hyperactivity), sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death.”

It appears that an EXD episode began when the officers tried to get Floyd into the squad car. He resisted, citing “claustrophobia” — the onset of the fear and panic phase, and “I can’t breathe” — difficulty breathing due to fentanyl locking into the breathing receptors in the brain. (Classic symptoms of EXD are highlighted in bold.) He then exhibited unexpected strength from the adrenaline spike in successfully resisting the efforts of four officers to get him into the car. We may never know whether Floyd’s agitation was caused purely from the EXD adrenaline spike, or if it was aggravated by police attempts to subdue him — but a subject defying the efforts of multiple officers to subdue him is a very common theme.

When Chauvin pulled him out of the car he fell to the ground, perhaps due to disorientation and reduced coordination. Presumably this was when he injured his mouth and his nose started to bleed, and the police made the first call for paramedics.

While restrained on the ground, Floyd exhibited agitation (shouting and hyperactivity, trying to move back and forth) for several minutes. There is one brief video at this point. One hears Floyd shouting very loudly, as in the agitated delirium phase — it sounds like, “My face is stoned… ah hah, ah haaa, ah please people, please, please let me stand, please, ah hah, ah haaa!”[6]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appea...17476/. In a few minutes this was followed by “sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death,” shown in a later video, where he becomes exhausted, and had stopped breathing when the ambulance arrived.[7]https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/vi...61280/

It appears that disorientation had already set in when the store employees went to Floyd’s car and asked him to return the cigarettes he had bought for a fake $20 bill. He refused, and they reported the incident to the police, saying that he appeared to be very intoxicated. He certainly must have been, or he would have either returned the cigarettes or left quickly to avoid arrest. Loss of judgment is a symptom of the syndrome; this includes futile efforts to resist arrest.

Police Intervention and Intentions

The EXD diagnosis is controversial and in some quarters is viewed as an alibi for police brutality. The WJEM authors note, “Since the victims frequently die while being restrained or in the custody of law enforcement, there has been speculation over the years of police brutality being the underlying cause. However, it is important to note that the vast majority of deaths occur suddenly prior to capture, in the emergency department (ED), or unwitnessed at home.”

Regarding restraint, they note, “people experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength, so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position (PMRP, also known as “hobble” or “hogtie”), where the person’s ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck.”

This latter position is what the accused officer Chauvin was applying, although at one point the team did consider using a hobble. Physical restraint of the subject has always been the classical procedure, to prevent the subject harming themselves or others. It has been proposed that restraint helps to forestall injury and death by conserving the subject’s energy, but most experts believe that by leading to an intense struggle, it increases the likelihood of a fatal outcome.

Since knowingly using counterfeit currency is a fairly serious offense, the Minneapolis officers were required to arrest Floyd and try to bring him in. When he violently resisted, the optimal choice could have been to let him sit against a wall and guard him while calling an ambulance. To be able to quickly switch from law enforcement mode to emergency care mode requires training in recognizing the symptoms.

The charge sheet against Chauvin included this exchange between the two white officers on the squad:[8]https://www.startribune.com/protests-build-anew-afte...869672 “”I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said. “That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said.”

According to this dialogue, Chauvin was apparently was trying to follow the protocol recommended by WJEM. Since Floyd was on his stomach, Chauvin’s knee pinned him at the side of his neck, and did not impede breathing. Commentators are referring to Chauvin “kneeling” on Floyd’s neck, or resting his weight on it. From videos it is hard to gauge how much weight he applied, but the correct procedure is just enough to restrain movement, not to crush the person.

Chauvin and his team might not have done everything perfectly, but it is easy to underestimate the difficulty of police work, particularly in cases of resisting arrest, whether willfully or due to intoxication. If they had been clairvoyant clinicians, they would have called an ambulance the moment they saw him. Better training is needed. Was the police department then responsible? Might the department have given the needed training if the AMA had acknowledged the existence of the syndrome? This brings up a paradox: could police critics who deny the syndrome then bear part of the responsibility for the deaths they decry? The syndrome is being recognized by law enforcement after the fact. It needs to be recognized as it is happening.

The American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome (ACEP, 2009)[9]https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/a...09.pdf See also the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court, “[t]he problems posed by, and thus the tactics to be employed against, an unarmed, emotionally distraught individual who is creating a disturbance or resisting arrest are ordinarily different from those involved in law enforcement efforts to subdue an armed and dangerous criminal who has recently committed a serious offense.” in “Explaining the Unexplainable: Excited Delirium Syndrome and Its Impact on the Objective Reasonableness Standard for Allegations of Excessive Force,” https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...ext=lj The first few pages relate a narrative similar to the Floyd case, involving multiple police subduing a violent EXD victim, who suddenly dies from exhaustion. A media uproar then arises against alleged police brutality. notes that “a law enforcement officer (LEO) is often present with a person suffering from ExDS because the situation at hand has degenerated to such a degree that someone has deemed it necessary to contact a person of authority to deal with it. LEOs are in the difficult and sometimes impossible position of having to recognize this as a medical emergency, attempting to control an irrational and physically resistive person, … This already challenging situation has the potential for intense public scrutiny coupled with the expectation of a perfect outcome. Anything less creates a situation of potential public outrage. Unfortunately, this dangerous medical situation makes perfect outcomes difficult.” In other words, officers need to be policemen, paramedics and public relations experts all at once.

With a fatal overdose there is no good outcome possible, but there is no way for police to foresee that. Sometimes EXD can last longer, and it is not always fatal. Perhaps the ACEP Task Force on EXD will update their report and provide guidelines to help police identify and deal with EXD while avoiding accusations of police brutality.

In one video[10]https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/vi...61280/ Chauvin continued to apply the neck restraint although bystanders repeatedly objected, and even after Floyd stopped moving. As Floyd became exhausted, it could have been reasonable to relax the restraint to see if it was really necessary. Chauvin didn’t seem to respond to the bystanders to give a medical reason for the restraint. His actions were consistent with a belief that police should restrain the subject until medevacs arrive. Videos show the police focused on restraint, never beating or striking Floyd. The restraint and verbal exchanges with Floyd are also consistent with a belief that he was resisting arrest, by refusing to get in the squad car. When he said “I can’t breathe,” they responded “You’re talking fine.” When they said “Get in the car,” he didn’t agree to.

Subjects suffering from EXD usually resist arrest violently, which requires police to restrain them, but when police see signs of EXD, they also need to call an ambulance. It appears the police may have called for paramedics first when Floyd developed a nosebleed, then for an ambulance, which arrived after Floyd had stopped breathing.[11]From the incident report of the fire truck that was called to the scene, it appears that both police and bystanders called 911 for emergency medical services (EMS). The first call was Code 2, apparently for Floyd’s nosebleed, which summoned a fire truck, followed by a more urgent code 3, which was said to bring an ambulance within six minutes. It appears the police called the ambulance when Floyd’s breathing and heartbeat stopped. https://www.startribune.com/first-responders-worked-...06682/ “Floyd goes limp and appears to lose consciousness. Hennepin EMS then arrive six minutes after the distress call.” The article refers to the incident report by the fire truck, http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd...80.pdf which has a note implying the first call to EMS was from police and another call came from bystanders: “No clear info on pt [patient] or location was given by either initial pd [police department] officers or bystanders.” We need an incident report from the ambulance. .

Videos of EXD incidents generally show subjects violently resisting arrest, and requiring multiple officers to subdue them. There is one news clip about a police department that was trained to regard EXD as a medical and not a criminal issue, and avoid physical restraint as far as possible; the results are much better.[12]TV news clips showing police restraining subjects who are exhibiting EXD symptoms and violently resisting arrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc A TV news report and cellphone video on a more humane method of managing an EXD case, thanks to police training, putting safety of the subject and of bystanders first, rather than restraints. However, no details are given about the outcome or the drug dose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc

EXD seems to be the most likely reason why Floyd suddenly refused to get into the squad car, and began to shout and writhe on the ground. With or without EXD or police intervention, he was going to die quickly from fentanyl, short of immediate intensive care. A common treatment for EXD is sedation with drugs like ketamine. The usual antidote for fentanyl is naloxone. Higher levels of fentanyl may require intravenous naloxone for 24 hours or more.

Fentanyl is so deadly because it acts so fast and binds so tightly to dopamine receptors in the brain — even those that control breathing, unlike other narcotics.[13]https://columnhealth.com/blog_posts/why-is-fentanyl-...erous/ . Deaths from fentanyl have skyrocketed in the last seven years. In one incident in California, superlethal fentanyl doses of 53 ng/mL were successfully reversed with intravenous naloxone. However, some patients were dead on arrival. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/fentanyl.html When Floyd complained “I can’t breathe,” although he was breathing,[14]Wikipedia has a detailed narrative of the incident here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd . Certain notes there support the thesis of fentanyl intoxication, and resisting arrest as part of an EXD syndrome. Floyd struggled with Lane before leaving his own vehicle, and again when Kueng, then all four officers, tried to get him into the squad car. Floyd already complained he couldn’t breathe before they tried to get him into the police car, without any neck restraint, indicating the onset of respiratory depression from fentanyl. https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updat...038665 “They all tried to force Floyd into the backseat, during which time Floyd said he could not breathe, according to the complaint.”

He also fell down twice, which could be seen either as a sign of intoxication or resisting arrest. The officers knew it was a drug overdose, as Thao told bystanders, “This is why you don’t do drugs, kids.” By the way, this Wikipedia article should be named “Death of George Floyd,” as an accused is innocent until proven guilty.
and then completely stopped breathing, this was the onset of respiratory arrest, which is how a fentanyl overdose kills.

While police work is needed to trace the source of these dangerous drugs, the problems of drug addiction and crime have deep causes and can only be contained, not solved, by the police. Whatever our society has been doing about these problems is not working.

Right now, our civilization risks being torn apart by the passions of extremism, due to a misunderstanding. Please share this analysis, as an appeal to return to reason.

Reviewer comment: “My first thought is why it has been left to you to figure this out, when we pay professional journalists to investigate these things, and why aren’t the police and politicians telling us about this.”

A good question which gives a clue to something I’ve been wondering about. When other commentators publish within hours, why does it take me a week or two to finish an article like this? Journalists are usually under a deadline to produce stories quickly, whereas it takes a lot of research and reflection to develop an original thesis into a fair and coherent explanation of events.

Everyone tends to have an agenda, and to look for facts to support it. Police brutality or looters running amok may be more newsworthy than a chronic problem like drug abuse. The best agenda now is to take a break to focus on facts, or else an “Excited Delirium” could become a contagion that engulfs our nation.

Part II. The Death of Tony Timpa

A highly pertinent question: Has there ever been a confirmed death from a knee hold before? Not finding any data by searching the Net, I posted the question on Quora.[15]https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-any-previo...ics-or One answer soon came.

A young white man died in Dallas a few years ago, after being restrained by the police with the knee on his back. My respondent believed he suffocated, but the actual autopsy said cardiac arrest due to cocaine, overdose EXD, and stress from restraint by police officers.

Tony Timpa had not only taken an overdose of cocaine, plus he was off his anti-schizophrenia medicine. Mental illness can also be a trigger for EXD, and according to the autopsy report, he displayed all the classic symptoms. The first phase, fear and panic, was fear of the onset of delirium itself — he himself called 911 for help. By the time the police arrived, security guards had already handcuffed him to restrain him. He was incoherent, out of control, found lying on the ground, the typical EXD position. The police pinned him down with a knee on his back for 13 minutes, saying he was at risk of rolling into the roadway, and suddenly he was dead.

Tony Timpa died in 2016. The family got the run-around,[16]https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/...timpa/ and an autopsy was not released until 2019. The body cam footage was released, which showed the police behaving callously towards the subject. The officers were originally charged with homicide, but it was found they were not at fault, charges were dropped and they were reinstated. Timpa’s case is very similar to Floyd case in many ways, and there are also many differences — the starkest of course being the intensity of the public reaction.

Here is the text of the Timpa autopsy.[17]https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6226349-SWIF...515249

Case: ME Page 7 of8

Timpa, Anthony Alan

Based on the case history and autopsy findings, it is my opinion that Anthony Alan Timpa, a 32-year-old white male, died as a result of sudden cardiac death due to the toxic effects of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical restraint.

Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder contributed to his death.

The mechanism of death in cases such as this is sometimes referred to as “excited delirium.” Classically, people affected by EDS are witnessed to exhibit erratic or aggressive behavior, and will often “throw off” attempts at restraint, requiring multiple people to subdue them. The person will appear to calm down and will suddenly become unresponsive. Most cases are associated with drug intoxication and/or illness.

In this case, several factors likely contributed to the death. The surveillance and body cam footage and witness reports fit the classic scenario of excited delirium and cocaine use and illness (bipolar disorder) are common predisposing risk factors for EDS. Cocaine leads to increased heart rate and increased blood pressure, making a cardiac arrhythmia more likely. Due to his prone position and physical restraint by an officer, an element of mechanical or positional asphyxia cannot be ruled out (although he was seen to be yelling and fighting for the majority ofthe restraint). His enlarged heart size also put him at risk for sudden cardiac death.

Although the decedent only had superficial injuries, the manner of death will be ruled a homicide, as the stress of being restrained and extreme physical exertion contributed to his demise.

MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide

[Signatures and seals of medical examiners]

(Note that homicide is not the same as murder, it also includes unintentional or accidental actions contributing to death.)

Anthony Timpa autopsy p. 5, blood tests — Cocaine and metabolites

Cocaine, 0.647 mg/L

Ecgonine Methyl Ester, 0.378 mg/L

Benzoylecgonine, 0.843 mg/L

The lethal dose of cocaine ranges from around 0.1 mg/L to 0.6 mg/L, according to different sources[18]http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/science/toxicology/cocaine/ , https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/38/1/46/831276

If we add the three numbers above for cocaine and metabolytes together it comes to about 18 mg/L. This is anywhere from 3 to 18 times the lethal dose. With such an overdose, plus being without his schizophrenia medication, Timpa had little if any chance of surviving.

Here’s the Wikipedia entry on Timpa, part of a series on the Dallas police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Police_Department#Killing_of_Tony_Timpa

“Killing of Tony Timpa [edit]

On August 10, 2016, Dallas Police killed Tony Timpa, a 32-year-old resident who had not taken his medication. Timpa was already handcuffed while a group of officers pressed his body into the ground while he squirmed. It took over three years for footage of the incident to be released. The footage contradicted claims by Dallas Police that Timpa was aggressive… Criminal charges against three officers were dropped in March 2019 and officers returned to active duty.”

Wikipedia doesn’t even mention cocaine, although that was the main cause of death. Likewise, the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd makes no mention of a drug overdose or excited delirium. By entitling the articles “Killing” rather than “Death,” Wikipedians appoint themselves as a court of law.

It must be observed that the Minneapolis officers acted with far more consideration towards Floyd than the treatment Timpa received in Dallas. The way the officers made fun of Timpa was a scandal.[19]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dal...m.html Then they were surprised when he suddenly died.

It is strange that George Floyd’s case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment — even though Timpa hadn’t committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself.

Isn’t it odd, when we have a problem in the United States of many shootings by — and of — the police, that such an uproar has arisen, over a case where the police actually had little or nothing to do with the man’s demise?

The stress of restraint is most likely incidental. As reported by the WJEM, “Victims who do not immediately come to police attention are often found dead in the bathroom surrounded by wet towels and/or clothing and empty ice trays, apparently succumbing during failed attempts to rapidly cool down.” Hyperthermia or high body temperature is a classic symptom of EXD. Enormous energy is released by an uncontrolled adrenaline spike. The heat also feeds delirium, which is a familiar symptom of high fever.

Normally, it’s assumed that stress factors contribute to a heart attack, as medical examiners wrote in both the Floyd and Timpa cases. Yet the WJEM notes that “one important study found that only 18 of 214 individuals identified as having EXD died while being restrained or taken into custody.” All victims died of cardiopulmonary arrest. Drug overdose and EXD are sufficient causes for this outcome.

Both Floyd and Timpa had taken overdoses at triple the lethal level. Enough drugs to kill them three times over. Yet you can only die once… so how could the stress of restraint contribute more to their deaths? You can’t contribute to a glass that’s already full three times over. That is a little like saying that someone died because their parachute didn’t open, and the weight of their backpack also contributed to the fall. But they die from the fall once they hit the ground, whether it’s at 120 mph or 122 mph.

It’s true, that in this analogy, the extra weight makes the jumper hit the ground a little sooner. Forcibly restraining the victim can cause them to struggle and consume energy more quickly, accelerating the burnout. Giving the subject a little space and empathy could help calm them. In this case, restraint might reduce energy loss. If that delays cardiac arrest until an ambulance arrives, the patient might be saved. Victims are less likely to struggle when strapped to a gurney than when held down by police.[20]“Probably negligible involvement of position in contribution of death in cases of excited delirium, although allowing patients to breathe effectively is obviously important.” https://emergencymedicinecases.com/episode-3-excited...irium/

We can compare Excited Delirium to an explosion or a wildfire, that rapidly consumes all the energy in the body. The police try to contain the explosion by restraining it, but can one blame the firefighter for the fire? The explosion continues until all the fuel is gone. Then life’s flame flickers out, and the drug-intoxicated body can not be resuscitated.[21]“According to Dr. Assaad Sayah, Chief of Emergency Medicine at Cambridge Health Alliance, Excited Delirium Syndrome can be best explained as a ‘physical response to an actual psychological [or drug] problem resulting in their autonomic systems producing too much adrenaline.’ Dr. Sayah analogizes it to ‘having too much nitrous in a car; eventually the engine will blow up.’ In most cases, the cause of death is either ‘a heart attack or, less frequently, respiratory failure.’ Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims “are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.’” Op. cit. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...ext=lj Presumably, the blood must be circulating in order for the antidote to neutralize the fentanyl.

In conclusion, excited delirium should be treated as a medical condition, at high risk of ending quickly in sudden death. An ambulance should be called immediately. Only the minimum necessary restraint should be applied. Police and paramedics should be trained in the symptoms and handling protocols.

It would be helpful if the AMA would recognize EXD as a real condition, rather than dismissing it as a cover story for police brutality. Ignorance of the symptoms can lead to unintentional cruelty by police, when they assume they are confronted by a typical case of a criminal violently resisting arrest, rather than a patient with a life-threatening intoxication.

Notes

[1] https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/ The full autopsy report was published here https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf Diagnoses are summarized on pp. 1 and 2: I. The “blunt force injuries” are basically minor cuts and bruises: “cutaneous” injuries and contusions from handcuffing. II. Chronic conditions: Heart disease, hypertension and enlarged heart. These all tend to accelerate death from a drug overdose. They can also develop from long-term drug abuse. III. No injuries to the front of the neck or throat were found. This full 76-page report does not contain the word “homicide.”

[2] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdose-dont-count-naloxone-save-you-10822 “The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. “ Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and “all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome.” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11040428_Fatal_versus_non-fatal_heroin_overdose_Blood_morphine_concentrations_with_fatal_outcome_in_comparison_to_those_of_intoxicated_drivers (Heroin quickly metabolizes into morphine.) Fentanyl is considered 100 times more potent than morphine. By this comparison, Floyd’s blood fentanyl concentration could have been 10 times the fatal level. In addition his morphine concentration of 86 ng/mL would usually be fatal by itself.
Concentration levels are relative to the volume of blood, so are independent of body size.

[3] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-findings-released-monday/5307185002/ A report commissioned by the Floyd family stated that asphyxiation from sustained pressure was consistent with the evidence, but the author Michael Baden didn’t have access to all the evidence, and chose not to endorse his opinion with the “expert opinion” label.

[4] The knee on the neck is a body hold, not a chokehold or carotid restraint, which involves putting pressure precisely on both carotid arteries, located on either side of the throat. A carotid restraint is usually applied by an elbow, and causes the subject to pass out in as little as 15 seconds. Blocking the arteries does not stop the breathing or heartbeat (pulmonary or cardiac arrest), which Floyd suffered after being restrained for many minutes. Once pressure on the arteries is released, the subject normally regains consciousness quickly.

[5] https://westjem.com/articles/excited-delirium.html

[6] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appears-show-george-floyd-ground-three-officers-n1217476/

[7] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/videos/1425398217661280/

[8] https://www.startribune.com/protests-build-anew-after-fired-officer-charged-jailed/570869672

[9] https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/acep_report_on_excited_delirium_syndrome_sept_2009.pdf See also the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court, “[t]he problems posed by, and thus the tactics to be employed against, an unarmed, emotionally distraught individual who is creating a disturbance or resisting arrest are ordinarily different from those involved in law enforcement efforts to subdue an armed and dangerous criminal who has recently committed a serious offense.” in “Explaining the Unexplainable: Excited Delirium Syndrome and Its Impact on the Objective Reasonableness Standard for Allegations of Excessive Force,” https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1379&context=lj The first few pages relate a narrative similar to the Floyd case, involving multiple police subduing a violent EXD victim, who suddenly dies from exhaustion. A media uproar then arises against alleged police brutality.

[10] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/videos/1425398217661280/

[11] From the incident report of the fire truck that was called to the scene, it appears that both police and bystanders called 911 for emergency medical services (EMS). The first call was Code 2, apparently for Floyd’s nosebleed, which summoned a fire truck, followed by a more urgent code 3, which was said to bring an ambulance within six minutes. It appears the police called the ambulance when Floyd’s breathing and heartbeat stopped. https://www.startribune.com/first-responders-worked-nearly-an-hour-to-save-floyd-before-he-was-pronounced-dead/570806682/ “Floyd goes limp and appears to lose consciousness. Hennepin EMS then arrive six minutes after the distress call.” The article refers to the incident report by the fire truck, http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcmsp-224680.pdf which has a note implying the first call to EMS was from police and another call came from bystanders: “No clear info on pt [patient] or location was given by either initial pd [police department] officers or bystanders.” We need an incident report from the ambulance.

[12] TV news clips showing police restraining subjects who are exhibiting EXD symptoms and violently resisting arrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc A TV news report and cellphone video on a more humane method of managing an EXD case, thanks to police training, putting safety of the subject and of bystanders first, rather than restraints. However, no details are given about the outcome or the drug dose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc

[13] https://columnhealth.com/blog_posts/why-is-fentanyl-so-dangerous/ . Deaths from fentanyl have skyrocketed in the last seven years. In one incident in California, superlethal fentanyl doses of 53 ng/mL were successfully reversed with intravenous naloxone. However, some patients were dead on arrival. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/fentanyl.html

[14] Wikipedia has a detailed narrative of the incident here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd . Certain notes there support the thesis of fentanyl intoxication, and resisting arrest as part of an EXD syndrome. Floyd struggled with Lane before leaving his own vehicle, and again when Kueng, then all four officers, tried to get him into the squad car. Floyd already complained he couldn’t breathe before they tried to get him into the police car, without any neck restraint, indicating the onset of respiratory depression from fentanyl. https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updates-arrests-america-approaching-10000/story?id=71038665 “They all tried to force Floyd into the backseat, during which time Floyd said he could not breathe, according to the complaint.”

He also fell down twice, which could be seen either as a sign of intoxication or resisting arrest. The officers knew it was a drug overdose, as Thao told bystanders, “This is why you don’t do drugs, kids.” By the way, this Wikipedia article should be named “Death of George Floyd,” as an accused is innocent until proven guilty.

[15] https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-any-previous-confirmed-record-of-death-resulting-from-a-knee-hold-before-the-Floyd-Chauvin-case-Good-question-for-experts-on-forensics-death-in-custody-data-internet-sleuths-police-medics-or

[16] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/08/02/police-responded-to-his-911-call-for-help-he-died-what-happened-to-tony-timpa/

[17] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6226349-SWIFS-Investigative-Narrative.html#document/p7/a515249

[18] http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/science/toxicology/cocaine/ , https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/38/1/46/831276

[19] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dallas-police-body-cam.html

[20] “Probably negligible involvement of position in contribution of death in cases of excited delirium, although allowing patients to breathe effectively is obviously important.” https://emergencymedicinecases.com/episode-3-excited-delirium/

[21] “According to Dr. Assaad Sayah, Chief of Emergency Medicine at Cambridge Health Alliance, Excited Delirium Syndrome can be best explained as a ‘physical response to an actual psychological [or drug] problem resulting in their autonomic systems producing too much adrenaline.’ Dr. Sayah analogizes it to ‘having too much nitrous in a car; eventually the engine will blow up.’ In most cases, the cause of death is either ‘a heart attack or, less frequently, respiratory failure.’ Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims “are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.’” Op. cit. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1379&context=lj

 
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  1. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    I think more likely he died of a Covid-19 induced heart attack. Heart disease is the #1 comorbidity of Covid19. Doctors have talked about patients of Covid19 dying of sudden heart attacks at a high rate. Floyd was Covid19 positive, and he also had heart disease and hypertension, the top two comorbidity of Covid19.

  2. R.C. says:

    That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.
    Good points. And before this, all we ever heard about was how deadly fentanyl is. It killed Tom Petty and is so potent, it killed him via skin absorption! Now, however, the Back Flow Media (BFM) ;-), has agendas to push and truth ain’t one of them.
    Unfortunately, those who need to learn these facts have no interest in truth. Logic, reason, common sense, and all such things are thrown out; instead, the mob controls based upon who yells the loudest, not who makes the most fact-based sense.

  3. SOL says:

    Excellent work. Unfortunately, the revolutionaries exploiting his death don’t care about the truth.

  4. People don’t riot over the specific police murder that sets it off. They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–one of the ways being to murder them. If you don’t like the Floyd murder, I got a couple thousand other cop murders for ya, and I would like to see you write such a stirring defense of cop-killed bodies riddled with hundreds of rounds of automatic weapons fire. Including all the dead white people.

  5. Anonymous[456] • Disclaimer says:

    No denying that Floyd was a thug. Neither would any amount of denying alter the fact that he died at the hand – rather the knee – of a racist cop. Get over it, supremacists.

  6. This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL

    Might help for someone to explain this calculation, since simply summing the fentanyl and norfentanyl concentrations gives 16.6, not 20.6.

    • Replies: @Dan Kurt
  7. It really does not matter. The Jewish mainstream media has tried and convicted the officers. They will never get a fair trial and are screwed. Saint George will have to be avenged or there will be more riots, arson and looting which the same degenerate media will call “protests”.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Voltara
    , @Olorin
    , @anonymous
  8. Franz says:

    So they could have left him alone and he would have died anyway, another statistic.

    It does imply intrusive policing invites unintended consequences. For the counterfeit $20, a summons would have been sufficient. Then George could have crawled off, go home to Jesus, and we could have been spared the phoniest and most overblown freak show since the Fall of Babylon.

    Let them patrol their own ‘hoods and be done with all this.

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
    , @noyb
  9. @R.C.

    “”””the mob controls based upon who yells the loudest, not who makes the most fact-based sense.”””

    Wrong – Yelling loud does not matter. If you are anti-white the press is on your side no matter how softly you speak.

    • Agree: Emily
    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  10. Wuok says:

    But why he didn’t die before the police placed his knee on his neck?

  11. Fentanyl Floyd was a drug peddler and a petty criminal who got caught in the act of selling drugs by patrolling police. Panicking, he swallowed his own stash and overdosed as a result. Now he is being retconned into a saint.

  12. I suspect the F killed the man, but you will never convince the negroes, and the Jmedia will never reveal the truth anyway.

  13. At this point I think the universe is just trolling us for the fun of it.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
    • Replies: @gaston julia
  14. Sean says:

    I think Floyd was being passive aggressive rather than resisting as such. What was done to him by Chaving was punishment out of frustration, but the duration was well outside normal practice.

    Floyd already began to complain “I can’t breathe” a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied,

    That will be a dangerous argument for Chauvin’s defence counsel to make to the court, because it will be opening the door to a telling counter argument: Floyd’s breathing was restricted after he reported respiratory distress.

    If it was a Fentanyl overdose they ought to have given him Narcan antidote, not put weight on his ribcage while he was face down and his hands cuffed behind him; a contributory cause according to the autopsy, which found wrist bruises.

    • Replies: @Emily
    , @Wizard of Oz
  15. Ficino says:
    @Anon

    There’s no such thing as a heart attack induced by covid-19.
    People who have been hospitalized for heart disease, and subsequently test positive for covid-19, don’t usually die from the virus… they die from their underlying heart disease condition.

    • Troll: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @ruralguy
    , @Twodees Partain
  16. I saw the video. Looked like just another hoax to me. Weight on his other knee, looking right at the camera while “killing” someone, yada yada. Officer Chauvin, fer Chrissake. Officer Racist would be too much even for stupid goyim. 8 minutes my ass. Aces and eights anyone? The point of this fentenyl dohicky is to pretend it really happened. Just another deep state psyop I say. But go ahead and argue about it. Makes it easier to steal 10 trillion from the US taxpayer.

  17. Biff says:

    This guy is channeling Johnny Cochran. Yes, we know O.J. didn’t do it either, because Nicole Brown was high on lethal amounts of cocaine, and Ron Goldman was mainlining deadly amounts of horse(heads almost fall off when this happens)

    You see, the amount of imaginary fantasy is endless which feeds the inter-civilian war of people-against-people while the State remains blissfully secure knowing that those who control the media(narrative) will always win…

    Otherwise, yea, we get it, the police are always honest, justice is blind, your vote counts, your money is secure, god loves you, the vaccine is harmless, and your children are doing a great service by telling the government instructor(school teacher) that you smoke pot, so the state can seize everything you own.

    • Agree: FB
    • Troll: JimDandy, GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Stonehands
  18. ICANREAD says:

    Your underlying analysis is incorrect. People overdose at much higher levels and live through it. Maybe the cops should have been more interested in why he was presenting in an altered state and called an EMT, than carting him off to jail for a possible forged $20 bill.

    See http://uthscsa.edu/ARTT/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf

    The mean serum concentrations of fentanyl in their patients was (52.9 ng/mL) with a range of 7.9-162.3 ng/ml.

    One of the 18 patients died in hospital. Five patients underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation, one required extracorporeal life support, three required intubation, and two received bag-valve-mask ventilation. One patient had recurrence of toxicity after 8 hours after naloxone discontinuation. Seventeen of 18 patients required boluses of naloxone, and four required prolonged naloxone infusions (26–39 hours). All 18 patients tested positive for fentanyl in the serum. Quantitative assays conducted in 13 of the sera revealed fentanyl concentrations of 7.9 to 162 ng/mL (mean = 52.9 ng/mL).

  19. The author starts one paragraph with “in conclusion”, LOL again LOL
    Once again missing the point,intentionally,misdirecting. It’s a FALSE FLAG

    Street theater duh, set up Fromthestart. Plandemic.Seriously,it creates jobs.
    Liars oops I mean lawyers,oops I mean poly ticks,locally,nationally,
    all the way to the jewdicial branch and congress and beyond.GET REAL.

    It’s far worse than that.An elder told me they don’t believe in IQ.

    The facts and investigations and evidence don’t do nuffin after the incurred LOSS

    of SO much time,money,energy,community,productivity,confidence,SANITY…etc.

    THIS is COUP and” it’s no where near in conclusion.” that’s my comment,thanks
    peace,love, life

  20. RouterAl says:

    Excellent article which should be on the front page of every major paper in the USA. The part on the Excited Delirium Syndrome is new to me but it’s interesting .It illustrates nicely this civil disorder has nothing to do with Mr Floyd. I just hope officer Chauvins defence team makes good use of this information.
    As a retired pharmacist I’m surprised by the use of fentanyl as a drug of abuse. The therapeutic dose banding is very small, its very potent , it is a very short acting drug and it’s a drug that only an anaesthetist should consider using or abusing. Its a very potent respiratory depressant that has a nasty habit of producing a delayed action hours after the affect has apparently worn off. Fentanyl also causes heart slowing and any anaesthetist would give other drugs to counter that effect to keep the patient under control.

    Now lets look at the photo of other officers using the correct Israeli defence force pin down

    Notice that the knee and leg not doing the pinning is not on the ground therefore all the weight of the body is brought to bear on the victims neck and the major blood vessels under the knee. Now look at officer Caulvin his right boot toe is on the ground along with his right knee. Try it yourselves on a pillow, you cannot bring any force to bear , at best you are holding someone with that pose. He also looks under no stress from Mr Floyd with his hold. At 5′ 8” I would be using the IDF method if I had to restrain Mr Floyd, but lets be honest I would avoid him full stop. There is also the fun part of trying to hit and subdue someone who thanks the the Fentanyl in his system would feel little pain.
    This whole thing looks very suspicious to me , and the speed with which the thing went global even more suspicious. The speed that people appeared with expensive t-shirts and hoodies all bearing
    “I cannot breath” printed on the front in many locations simultaneously along with the piles of bricks and attacks on statues has a pre-planned Soros and Antifa agenda all over it.

  21. I’m sure that the author of this article, who I assume isn’t a drug addict, will be totally fine if a racist white thug in uniform with a history of murdering people knelt on his neck for nine minutes with its hands in its pockets. Yes, it was the drugs all along!

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
    , @FB
  22. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases.

    When did this happen, exactly? The security cam video show that two [2] officers succeeded to get Floyd into the back seat of the cruiser. Then, one officer pulled him out on the other side.

    I’ve read plenty about ExD, and believe that Chauvin will make a successful defense. Your ‘4 men failed’ spared me reading this long slog.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  23. vot tak says:

    Gotta protect those israeli occupation troops at all costs and keep their colonial police state (that’s the usa, neanderthals) a colonial police state. Should those dumb goy animals unite and force our quislings out, who knows what might befall our “sacred homeland”.

  24. Did drugs kill George Floyd ? Does it matter ?
    This affair is one of public perception.
    The perception IS that Chauvin used excessive force. The guy died after that “force” whether excessive or not. People, rightly or wrongly see cause & effect.
    As for your points about overdose ? Fairly weak. Every minute that passes the likelihood of overdose decreases. Overdoses don’t hide in your system for 20 minutes (excluding digestion or assimilation) & then jump out & shut down your heart.
    Floyd may have appeared intoxicated, but he also appeared functional for a “normal” unstressful setting.
    He sat down, handcuffed, against a wall for some minutes without “losing it”.
    Also interesting — they had him in the police car — then dragged him out for lack of compliance. Why ? Let him sit in the locked, secure police back seat, So he screams & makes a fuss ? Arrestees are known to do that. But no, they drag him out (still handcuffed) & THREE of them get on top of him: one on legs, one on the torso, & one on his neck. And stay that way for nearly 9 minutes. And its not like they don’t know he’s physically problematic — they call the EMS early on.
    Now lets imagine that you have a problem with your heart or breathing (he tells them numerous times about his breathing, not necessarily entirely from physical airway blockage, but from panic — psychology rendering the act of breathing difficult )– would being pinned to the road by 3 burly men, one of them exerting some pressure on your neck not cause some degree of panic ? Could some people be near to literally shitting themselves from panic ? Would such fear & panic not be contraindicated in a man for whom you have already called the EMS ?
    Funny thing, was I a police man I would have asked Floyd to sit in his car (yes, take his keys & guard him) while I had a look at this so-called counterfeit bill. I mean, that’s the point isn’t it ? this whole abortion rests on passing a dodgy $ 20. (Knowingly passing: I wonder how many shonky US bills there are out there…millions ?).
    So Floyd is probably a scumbag — so ? The whole affair looks appalling. And that really IS the point here.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Sokrates
    , @Curmudgeon
  25. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    “Systemic racism” is simply POC and non-European descended Whites saying that they cannot live in Western (or, indeed, industrial) society,
    The POC are correct in this. Who, after all, is qualified to tell them that they are wrong? George Floyd was destroyed by “systemic racism” in the above sense. Even East Asians and South Asians with high enough IQ and sufficient emotional control to live in Western (industrial) society strongly condemn the lack of organization in such societies, and the absence of the protective social organizations (caste, a directive government/social organization) that are characteristic of their homelands. Middle Eastern Whites condemn the absence of the tribal / honor / religious system that characterizes their countries of origin.
    POC and non-European descended Whites want Western ( industrial) society changed or destroyed for their benefit.
    This is a serious and irresolvable conflict of interest, for the European descended Whites are just as unable to live in the home societies of various POC and non-European descended White groups as these groups are unable to live in Western (industrial) society.

    Note that the above irresolvable conflict of interest is not ever discussed directly. This is characteristic of major irresolvable conflicts of interest. WW II is a good example of this (see the American Pravda articles, unz.com, for support of this assertion). All of the participants (except possibly Hitler, who apparently wanted a European Empire allied to the British Empire) thought it was “them or us” (hence the “unconditional surrender” demands from the Allies), and thus had strong reasons for fighting. These reasons were not used in propaganda by any side. Propaganda based on self interest of the “only one Empire will survive” type makes poor propaganda. So does propaganda based on what amounts to a multi-sided volkwandering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswanderung), which is what we seem to be entering into.

    Good propaganda is smoke — mythic appeals, but to a non-applicable myth, with irrelevant “proof”. George Floyd is an example of how this is supposed to work.

    The interesting thing about this situation is that it is the OC and non-European descended Whites are the ones insisting that they cannot live in the West / industrial civilization. Granted that the Left wing of the Democratic Party is the proximate cause of the current offensive, attempted Antifa leadership of the offensive has been largely repudiated or simply ignored by the various POC. Understanding the basics of this situation requires that the objections of the POC and non-European descended Whites be taken seriously and understood, as I have tried to do above.

  26. gotmituns says:

    Doesn’t matter what theniggerdied of. They’re going to get the White guy no matter what.

    • Replies: @haha
    , @J.Ross
  27. Fantastic Article!! I just hope the cop is acquitted.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @englishmike
  28. Emily says:
    @Sean

    If it was a Fentanyl overdose they ought to have given him Narcan antidote,

    Are you serious?
    These cops meant to make an instant medical diagnosis.
    Decide the problem and drug involved.
    Produce an antidote.
    And administer it.
    What planet are you on?
    And had they administered the wrong drug….?
    They would be crucified as well.
    Its hard to believe you can really believe that comment yourself.
    Its sheer prejudice and blah for BLM.
    And a grossly unfair accusation.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  29. Moi says:
    @anonymous1963

    Three points:

    *Since the MSM and many of our leaders are in sync with BLM, we should just turn the country over to them since they’ve done a great job within their own “neighborhoods.”

    *It’s pretty useless to say the MSM loves BLM. The MSM does what the folks who control/own it tell it to do.

    *Per BLM’s demand, cops should stop patrolling black neighborhoods and instead boost patrolling non-black neighborhoods to reduce crime there.

    • Agree: pdb
  30. Anon4578 says:

    Police were not arresting him for the counterfeit bill. If you pass a counterfeit bill you are interviewed by police so they can attempt to trace its origin.

    Where did you get cash?

    Where do you cash your checks?

    Did you get this as change for a larger bill? Where?

    He was detained because when they came up to him in the car he was obviously intoxicated and behind the wheel. Also rewatch the security tape and see the cop talks to him for 2 minutes and at one point is so worried by whatever Floyd was doing he unholstered his gun but didn’t point it. Floyd also had no ID on him.

    So it’s a cascade of events that lead to his arrest. Police can’t ID an intoxicated person behind the wheel of a car. Try to get him out of the car and he immediately starts resisting.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  31. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Sparkylyle92

    ” I saw the video. Looked like just another hoax to me”

    Here’s an excellent analysis of 3 of the alleged live, completely contradictory videos on this alleged event, which quite clearly show it to be hoax perpetrated via crisis actors, fake police and EMT’s. :


    Regards, onebornfree

  32. steve K. says:
    @Anonymous

    And what evidence do you have that Chauvin was racist? Is it because all white people are racist?

  33. padre says:

    What’s the difference, does it mean that police should continue with their practice, till they choke a healthy person?

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. Rich says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m curious about this “racist cop” trope that’s become pretty common. Is it common for “racists” to be married to someone of another race as Chauvin is? I’d think a “racist” would favor a spouse of their own race, no? Seems to me, to you crazies on the left, Pale skin makes a person a “racist “. It’s become a truth in America that the only definition of “racist” is White. The word is, therefore, meaningless. Floyd died because of his drug use and criminal activity. Not a knee on the back of his neck.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Biff
    , @David Martin
  35. Moi says:
    @SOL

    I second that. Problem is there is no satisfying the BLM folks. They are suffering from PTSD because of our history of slavery. This is sort of like vets who have PTSD, but the key difference being vets actually participated in a war whereas no black living was a part of our history of slavery.

    The solution is for the BLM and lgbtqi folks to join forces and put forth a black tranny candidate to solve all our problems.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
  36. journey80 says:

    Why should we believe the “report”? why not believe our lying eyes? Who released this “report”? Where is an independent verification? I’ll wait, thanks, for a report that has been released by an independent source that is confirmed by the family.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    , @Anon
  37. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    The ADL is the rabid hate group and a threat to society.

    • Agree: Moi, Pat Kittle, Druid
  38. If this is the case, if it is true the officers should have a very strong defence in court.

    • Replies: @JoaoAlfaiate
  39. Emslander says:

    I’m sure that the author of this article, who I assume isn’t a drug addict, will be totally fine if a racist white thug in uniform with a history of murdering people knelt on his neck for nine minutes with its hands in its pockets. Yes, it was the drugs all along!

    When I see a comment like this on an article as closely reasoned and supported as this one, I wonder whether public schools teach the ability to read.

    You can check my previous posts and see that these are precisely the points I made from a very casual glance at the autopsy report and a little knowledge of police motivations. That was right after the incident occurred. Videos and photos are very poor evidence because they only raise emotional response.

    Thank you, Ron Unz, for being brave enough to publish this article.

    • Agree: Emily
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  40. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    ..hall of fame vs their sandy hoax

  41. laughing.

    I guess the defense is entitled to a defense. I guess that is the benefit of having two coroner’s reports. The skill and advocacy of the police unions to manufacture alternative theories and creates smoke as defense is light years ahead of antifa, BLM or the KKKK.

    Te problem with the the current system is not dug induced males sitting on their cars o falling asleep in drive thrus or jogging in around empty construction sites or waiting for tow trucks, or selling cigarettes, or avoiding creepy guys stalking the in apartment complexes, or sleeping in their beds or or walking with some white women —

    It’s the loss of credibility. The police unions can have the officers walk out as they ave routinely done as a means of black mail holding cities hostage, but at the end of the day, what technology is doing is unavailing a side of Wyatt Earp the public would rather not see even if they know what’s up. It’s the system in a manner of exposure unlike it’s even been used to. It’s the collapse of the arguments for invading countries that are not a threat. It’s the collapse of the internal dialogues among the agencies in multiple arenas of government force. It’s Ruby Ridge, It’s Waco, It’s Baltimore, It’s Fergusaon. It’s Oakland. It’s Baton Rouge. It’s New Jersey. It’s . . . It’s balloting were the 1 per-center is suddenly number one,. Utter nonsense such as written in the Fergason Report. It’s nonsense such as the Ferguson Effect.It’s a news system, that is serious doubt. It’s bail out for WS, repeatedly and then throwing the payees f bail out out of works. It is stagnant wages. It’s hiring and executive to make a serious shift ad the best he could do hire ore part time citizens and embrace more immigrants.

    It’s the system saying it’s not the system. It;s loosening up credit for businesses and the rules for consumers tighter. It’s watching something on film as it happens and then being told what you saw is not what happened.

    It’s the unmasking of tactics used by the system to shield itself from accountability. And perhaps worst of all, we believing what the system tells us because believing reality is just to tough a road to to travel. It is the system saying . . . it’s not the system.

    ———

    uhh No. I didn’t believe there was a reason to invade Ira or Afghanistan or any of the subsequent intentions by the former Vietnam protester “we lost Vietnam” crowd as I am that Mr. Floyd died from a drug overdoese.

    And none of the smoke and mirrors: that Pres Hussein was a bad person, that the Taliban were in on 9/11, that the family occupying Ruby Ridge were Nazis, Mr. Koresh was a demon, there’s a Fergason Effect, that blacks are just bad innately and whites are angelic beings along with browns and yellows worthy of pass, or that IQ is destined by some unique, unknown and unseen genetic code, that the Russians sabotaged US elections, . . . or US lost Vietnam (no it did not). If I start buying onto the nonsense spouted as truth to escape accountability before you know it, I will start advocating that slaves were just immigrants coming the continent for better jobs and life.

    And cows rally do jump over the moon.

    • Agree: vot tak
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  42. Fred777 says:

    @Moi BLM having PTSD over slavery would be like an Air Force veteran who served in the 1990s having PTSD over hitting Omaha Beach in the first wave.

  43. @Sean

    Apart from Emily’s point I note that you state that Chauvin constricted Floyd’s breathing without evidence despite it not being accepted by the author of the article.

    • Replies: @Sean
  44. Z-man says:

    This proves, the sainthood of a very simian looking convicted criminal doped up coon, that you can fool some of the people all of the time. The Jooz are laughing all the way to the ban… total control of the World.

  45. @obwandiyag

    Well let’s have ’em (couple of thousand cop murders) . And don’t forget to include Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas.

    • Replies: @FB
  46. Segregation worked. Hard to believe it’s just sitting on the shelf, unused.

    Access to Whites is not a right.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  47. @Anon4578

    A passer of counterfeit bills is typically given an opportunity by the cheated merchant to make him whole before the cops are called. Saint George, for whatever reasons, didn’t avail himself of the opportunity extended to him to do just that.

  48. @Wuok

    He prolly would have had they just left him alone. Then they’d be in jail for failure to render first aid. The rioting would have still happened. Heads or tails, you lose with niggers.

  49. gotmituns says:
    @Rich

    Chauvin was probably a screaming liberal until he got involved with the chink. The thing about chinks is they’re known to hate everyone equally who isn’t a chink.

    • Replies: @fnn
  50. @Anonymous

    Did you read the article? Seems pretty convincing to me.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  51. It is strange that George Floyd’s case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment — even though Timpa hadn’t committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself.

    That is not strange. The reason BLM choose cases where the policeman only did their job is because otherwise, they’ll risk seeing the policeman go to jail, and then there’d be no systemic racism to rail against. Only when you are sure the policeman will be exonerated in a court of law, can you rile the animals without risking the party coming to an end before the music even starts.

  52. Redman says:
    @Anonymous

    And proof of that racism would be what exactly?

  53. DanFromCT says:
    @RouterAl

    For the time being, an educated comment like yours gets a hearing, in contrast to the unreasoned moral posturing of so many others here. For so long as they can hide behind “good intentions,” they can run from inconvenient facts. UR recently featured an article and comments on Dietrich Doerner’s Logic of Failure, which says it best about these disgusting phonies who’d never dream of reexamining their positions based on the horrors they cause.

    “In our political environment, it would seem, we are surrounded on all sides with good intentions. But the nurturing of good intentions is an utterly undemanding mental exercise, while drafting plans to realize those worthy goals is another matter. Moreover, it is far from clear whether “good intentions plus stupidity” or “evil intentions plus intelligence” have wrought more harm in the world. People with good intentions usually have few qualms about pursuing their goals. As a result, incompetence that would otherwise have remained harmless often becomes dangerous, especially as incompetent people with good intentions rarely suffer the qualms of conscience that sometimes inhibit the doings of competent people with bad intentions. The conviction that our intentions are unquestionably good may sanctify the most questionable means.

    Excerpt From
    The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations
    Dietrich Dorner
    This material may be protected by copyright.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  54. Redman says:
    @Thulean Friend

    What exactly did happen to the white substance that clearly fell out of his left pocket while against the wall? Odd nobody mentions that.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  55. George killed himself. He took a lethal overdose of Fentanyl. The meth and the fentanyl combined cause delirium and heart problems. These two drugs caused what is called “Excited Delirium Syndrome” which is usually fatal.

    https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2263095/

    http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-entry/death-rides-fast-horse-black-life-shattered-dope

    When the officers pulled him out of the Mercedes–he was already foaming at the mouth. These four officers need to be released and given their jobs back. Their arrests are just a lynch mob by the liberal establishment. George killed George. He gambled with his life, put himself in that position with allegedly passing counterfeit money. Furthermore, George was DWI; he was sitting in the drivers seat. Even though you are not driving, sitting in the driver’s seat is DWI, Driving while impaired. Who needs to be arrested is the Drug Dealer that sold him the Fentanyl.

    Moreover, Excited Delirium syndrome causes “Wooden Chest”. That is what George was experiencing, His drug cocktail killed him.

  56. annamaria says:
    @R.C.

    Reality check for the “revolutionaries:”
    https://www.hannenabintuherland.com/europa/whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world

    …1 million to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people who were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast)…

    “From bases on the Barbary coast, North Africa, the Barbary pirates raided ships traveling through the Mediterranean and along the northern and western coasts of Africa, plundering their cargo and enslaving the people they captured.”

    From at least 1500, the pirates also conducted raids along seaside towns of Italy, Spain, France, England, the Netherlands and as far away as Iceland, capturing men, women and children.

    On some occasions, settlements such as Baltimore, Ireland were abandoned following the raid, only being resettled many years later. Between 1609 and 1616, England alone had 466 merchant ships lost to Barbary pirates.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  57. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you sure that you are not a racist or a progeny of racists?

    As Confederate statues are torn down in the USA, one wonders: Are we going to ask Egypt to change its name, tear down its pyramids which were built by slaves too? And destroy mummies of pharaohs that had slaves?

    Are the black tribes of Africa, the ones who sold the slaves they took from other tribes when at war and sold to the Arab slave traders, are we going to change the names of those African tribes too? And tear down the names of their leaders? …

    No comments? Here is more:

    Regarding white slaves in Africa and black slaves in the New World, it is often overlooked that slaves were enslaved before they were bought and sold by Jews, Arabs, and Gentiles. The unasked question is: Who enslaved them?

    Things that used to be true before political correctness set in: More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States.

    https://www.hannenabintuherland.com/europa/whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Iva
  58. All this obsessing over what pretty boy George died of is irrelevant. Cops putting their knee on the neck, the most vulnerable part of the human body is wrong period! No sympathy for the thug, he was a menace to society. What should be obsessed over is police culture has not been to “protect and serve” since at least the 70’s. They see themselves as “at war” with the whole of society, from the suburban soccer mom to the ghetto thug.
    It’s widely known cops will take a routine traffic stop, and poke and prod at the driver to try to rile them up and get the person to react and give the cop an attitude to escalate the interaction into an altercation. In the suburbs, quiet rural areas it matters not. Race matters not. They’ll pull this shit in the most docile neighborhoods, with the most docile of people, regardless of color.
    I’m neither pro cop or anti cop, I see them as a necessary evil. They’d be a hell of alot less evil if reforms were made in their attitude toward the public at large, and if they were held accountable for all their various abuses of power. They also need their privileged status as some sort of exalted special class “above the public” obliterated! Cops on the whole are some of the most corrupt, anti social, sadistic people in society. I know many of them personally, both city and suburban.
    As much as I dislike the rioting, looting, arson and chaos, I’m enjoying the karmic retribution the boys in blue in receiving.

    • Agree: Druid
  59. JQ says:
    @obwandiyag

    It could also be that a certain race is a bit more prone to get into drugs, crime, prostitution,
    and so on. And truth to be told hard work is not in their DNA. As long as you keep
    denying FACTS this will never end.

    Canada has to bring thousands of Mexicans and Guatemalans to work on the farm fields,
    while half of this people are on welfare, and when they do work they only want easy jobs,
    bus drivers, taxi drivers, or for the governments where most of the time they just don’t perform
    as well. In the mean time people like me are being taxed close to 60% to pay for all these social programs which only benefits the laziest

  60. Biff says:
    @Rich

    Is it common for “racists” to be married to someone of another race as Chauvin is?

    Yes.

    File that one under “dumb question”…..

    • Troll: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Johnny Smoggins
  61. 171 says:

    Since when gross injustice against a once subdued person legitimate anti-humanity? That is how, to a naive person consumes daily propaganda by the usa government and their presstitute which reflect an appearance of “good america” while genuinely reflecting a clandestine disdain for what is right or such unjustified violence cloaked under the line of duty against the general population would not be so common in the touted “land of the free.” The magnet (of the peaceful protesters from australia, to europe and latin america) is not to a “good free land of jewmerica” but to the missing and lack of legitimate Justice parroted along with the moral compass touted by the usa government and their law enforcement while the true reality of irrectitude makes itself apparent in videos such as the one of George floyd’s unjustified assassination/murder, where unjustified violence is evident. Thus, with these uncensored videos by the peaceful population or general public of the usa, the truth did not remain hidden by manipulated narratives of the jew-owned presstitute and media in favor of the cia/usa government flavor of their wicked ideology preference while cloaked in sheep’s clothing.

    In conclusion, When an individual poses a serious threat to an officer or another individual, according to the National Institute of Justice, the “peace-officer” (as they are glorifyingly touted) is generally authorized by law to use lethal weapons (i.e., firearms) to protect himself or herself or others by stopping the individual’s actions. You don’t want to realize that there is IRREFUTABLY no serious threat nor danger to life once a person (of any color in handcuffs as the estate of George Floyd was and many others) is subdued. And, those marching (or rather peacefully protesting to show solidarity) in many other foreign nation states display how morally magnetic is the actual legitimate axiom of the interest of justice because that no democracy can exist unless each of its citizens is as capable of outrage at injustice to another as he is of outrage at unjustice to himself.

    • Replies: @171
  62. Calling all trolls: discuss this as if it were a real event to demoralize and confuse the public and prevent them from acting.

  63. @Jud Jackson

    Could the authorities risk an acquittal? Or might Chauvin suffer the same fate as Epstein?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. Truth3 says:

    Truth no longer matters to…

    Negroes.

    Faggots.

    Trannies.

    Women.

    Democrats.

    It never mattered to Jews. Falsehood and Sophistry is their weapon of choice.

    • Agree: Sokrates
  65. Tazer 2.0 says:

    I don’t care so much for the cops since they would put you in a cage with these animals for thought crimes like posing the JQ and denying the Holycaust without any hesitation at all. They are paid mercs and sometimes they get burned. Similarly the light property damage incurred by corporate storefronts and reduction in quality of life for liberal urban dwellers is not at all a concern for me, and I honestly hope this goes on in perpetuity until the statistical reality of black crime is literally beaten into their skulls. As for George Floyd he will no longer be producing any more of his ilk. He was set to marry a lower class white woman and open an establishment eponymously named the Konvict Kitchen, all in defiance of the principles of nuptiality and common decency. The former enhances black criminality by combining pathological white genes from the classes which in Europe would have their breeding restricted by cultural and economic constraints but are allowed to flourish here generating trailer parks and white trash that with miscegenation and negrification are as much of a danger to society as the the African type they complement.

    In any case having seen the footage from these events it strikes me that these cops are themselves very unintelligent. In the case of the Atlanta negro aptly named Rayshard they were inclined to play junior detective and gameshow host for upwards of 30 minutes when it was obvious that they should have immediately incapacitated the feral groid and dragged him away from a motor vehicle capable of causing far more damage than the plastic dart guns they ended up wrestling over. Instead they allowed the monkey to shuck and jive for what seemed like an hour repeating the same inane phrases over and over again. I would have been inclined to dump a mag in the baboon at the 2 minute mark. These two men were themselves products of negrification and no doubt they likened the ill-fated negro to their favorite afleets and sports stars they worship on TV, giving him chance after chance to behave like a human being with around a standard deviation more aptitude than they should have given him credit for. If they had a choice between the ineffective Taser device and a firearm they ended up using it would have gone better.

    I think this country is screwed in the long run and I just hope it ends in fireworks. The long and inexorable drag into stupidity is maddening.

    • Replies: @DanFromCT
  66. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I doubt anyone cares what he died from, they can just go “change” their signs to some guy in Georgia. They all look like hoaxes but they needed something for “change” to happen. Back to online petitions and countless fake hoaxes and more toppling anything whuhhh, and more historical revision to erase whuhhhh, can’t even spell it anymore.
    Who called the police on the martyrs? Why would a black person call the police on a black man asleep in the line at Wendy’s in Georgia, when they could have just drove around him. Why have the white police bother him? It all just looks like more lefty “change” helped out by the good folks at Netflix or something.

  67. JimDandy says:
    @obwandiyag

    Yet they always seem to pick a loser. Funny, eh?

    And how dare you bring WHITE victims into this?!!! This is about BLACK victims and WHITE oppressors. GOT IT?!

  68. backup says:

    He also had sickle cell anemia. The coronary report mention a lot of “sickled” cells, but only postmortem. It is knows that sufferers of SCD show that kind of pattern: Death induces it. However, George Floyd was also COVID19 positive, and there are signs that COVID19 decreases Hemoglobin levels:

    Primate models of Covid-19 (Munster 2020) and human Covid-19 patients have subnormal haemoglobin levels (Chen 2020). Clinical evaluationof almost 100 Wuhan patients reveals haemoglobin levels below the normal range in most patients as well as increased total bilirubin and elevated serum ferritin (Chen 2020). Hyperbilirubinemia is observed in acute porphyria (Sassa 2006) and would be consistent with ineffective erythropoiesis (Sulovska 2016) and rapid haemoglobin turnover.

    https://osf.io/4wkfy/download/?format=pdf&usg=AOvVaw2aUKMUoT-E7lUm0WvwqQaj

    People with SCD can suffer from other viruses causing anemia, without showing sickled cells:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell_disease#Aplastic_crisis

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  69. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @ICANREAD

    They did call the EMTs. That’s what they were waiting for. Maybe you shouldn’t try to analyze the situation until after you learn what the situation involved?

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  70. JimDandy says:
    @Wuok

    He was dying before he even left the car. He collapsed when they pulled him out of it. He collapsed after they helped him walk to the wall. He was complaining that he couldn’t breathe before he had a knee on his neck. My sense was that when he saw the cops were coming for him, he swallowed his drugs. Pretty common.

    • Troll: Agent76
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  71. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    I basically agree.

    This was also about the McMichael shooting. And the entire Trump presidency.

  72. JimDandy says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    And criminals who break into pregnant women’s houses and jam guns into their pregnant guts really do get their just deserts when they hastily swallow all the drugs they were dealing to avoid going back to the joint.

    • Replies: @whosonfirst
  73. “It is strange that George Floyd’s case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment — even though Timpa hadn’t committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself.”

    It would b strange if what you said was accurate.
    enforcement, It is not singular artifact.

    I is not any singular death, not even a group of deaths that are rare at the hands of police. It’s the ten million plus arrests misdemeanors primarily that end with violence against unarmed citizens that are disproportionately used with respect to african americans it’s the related history. It is the sentencing. It is the pea bargain system . . .

    It’s the crack vs regular cacaine narratives nonsense, it is the rhetorical dialogue — it is not one single thing, but a compendium of constructs across the country over time.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It seems more likely that the heart attack came because the heart was overworked due to low blood-oxygen levels due to the sedated breathing from the opioid.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @bruce county
  75. Sokrates says:
    @animalogic

    Are you member of BLM?
    Go tell these crap to a decent jury

    • Replies: @animalogic
  76. chuckywiz says:

    Such analysis is diversion from the main discussion. It does not matter if Floyd was on drugs or a criminal. Why was he treated brutally by the police. Too much power given to the law enforcement. And the bad apples always take advantage of it. Observe the way they walk. No sign of humility or being a servant of society or a protector.
    Race riots yes. but so many whites and no African Americans are rioting, too. It is economic disparity and hopelessness, stupid, and that is what the pundits are avoiding purposely.

    • Replies: @Emily
    , @JimDandy
    , @fnn
  77. Brilliant presentation.
    I was arrested one time and was put into car. Interestingly enough I had difficulty breathing and I did not have any drugs in me.
    I did ask officer to open window in the car but he did not. He did not care.

  78. Who cares, nits make lice….

  79. Juckett says:
    @SOL

    Exactly. They would not even spend the time to read this excellent example of actual journalism.
    Their hatred blinds them to all facts.
    Talking time is over. Balkanize the failed multi-cultural experiment. Ethnostate is NEEDED.
    Separate from Hate.

    • Replies: @George F. Held
  80. Emily says:

    Anyone else getting rather peed off by the huge donations to BLM, apparently about to flow in – as reparations for the proceeds from slavery by Briitish firms.
    Seems to me these companies should be starting at home.
    What about the proceeds from mills and factories here in England where the labour was little more than slavery.
    Forced on the poor for pathetic and utterly meagre wages – amounting to slavery – as the option to the ‘poor house’.
    Children of seven working 12 hours a day for pennies.
    Many dying and crippled by the machinery under which they had to scrabble.
    I am sure there are millions – not least up north – who would very much like some recognition for the quite awful exploitation of their forebears.
    Oops – sorry – they all have white faces and are not prepared to commit mayhem, arson and criminal damage to support any claim.
    Time, maybe to start, it works.
    Maybe we less than aristocratic English people should start a few demands in payment for the terrible conditions of the industrial ‘revolution’, for the Victorian slums, more appalling than black Americans ever endured.
    You don’t see the black Americans sporting rickets, TB, suffering starvation, diptheria and smallpox to mention a few.
    Or kids forced up chimneys.
    I wonder how Dickens would be feeling today – at Lloyds etc.
    Disgusted and sick, I imagine.
    Don’t get me started on those ‘pressed’ into the navy….

    • Agree: MarkU
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  81. fnn says:
    @gotmituns

    I’ve read that’s she’s a Hmong. As dumb as the press is, I don’t know how they could confuse Hmong and Chinese.

  82. Emily says:
    @chuckywiz

    Why was he treated brutally by the police.

    Was he?
    The autopsy doesn’t appear to record ‘brutal physical injury’ of the kind you appear to claim….
    Could you detail the evidence that demonstrates such ‘brutality’
    Restraint surely does not come into that category and there is no or very little indication on his neck or throat.
    Clarify the facts, Chucky, so we can all see the cuts, bruises, abrasions…
    Perhaps you will also give us some information as to how you would have handled a very large such individual full of fentanyl and other substances….

  83. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The author of the article talks about the knee on Floyd’s neck only. But while he may be correct, that knee was not the only thing going on. I am talking about the other things including Chauvin’s other knee. Officer Lane seems to have diagnosed Floyd’s medical status as one unlikely to stand up to the tender mercies being administered by Chauvin. Lane, the first cop to talk to Floyd, had immediately observed he had been foaming at the mouth. Later, once Chauvin got on top of Floyd, Lane suggested turning him face up, and said he was worried about EXD. Lane’s partner complained and said ‘don’t do that’ to Chauvin in relation to him kneeling on Floyd.

    If a 300lb wrestler was to apply a tight bodylock (bear hug) and keep it on tight, breathing would halt and the one being bear hugged would quite likely die within 10 minutes. Floyd’s breathing was constricted by his bulk and being put face down with cuffs pulling his arms against the side of his ribcage. The weight and duration of Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s back surely is what tipped the balance and killed him. There is an ex cop and prison guard who admits he used to deliberately break the fingers of resisting convicts who points to the sun glasses perched on Chauvin’s head and the casual placement of his hands while kneeling on Flyod as clear indications there was no meaningful resistance from him, see here.

    It is not mere opinion that Floyd was not actively resisting arrest during the several minutes he had Chauvin on top of him, because officer Chauvin was recorded explaining the reason Floyd was being pinned down was he had not cooperated earlier, when they had tried to put him in the police car. Hence Chavin virtually admitted it was a was a physical punishment for previous non-cooperation, but in law Chavin is not permitted to use the restraint technique as a punitive measure, which he knew very well. Hence Chauvin was commiting a felony, wham, in the course of which someone died, bam. Wham bam: felony murder.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  84. JimDandy says:
    @chuckywiz

    Actually, this article touches on what you consider the “main discussion” when it assesses whether or not the cop was following procedure. Is the man being vilified as the worst person on earth just a guy who was doing the job he was taught to do? If you think the rules are wrong, you’re free to work to change them. This cop will face an American court, not some post-revolutionary tribunal. The question is whether or not his trial will look more like the latter than the former.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Troll: Agent76
  85. Trinity says:

    Hispanic cop in Georgia shoots and kills white guy who grabs Hispanic cop’s taser = NO coverage by national media. Hell, I live in Georgia and I didn’t even hear about this one.

    White cop in Georgia shoots and kills black guy who grabs White cop’s taser = NONSTOP 24/7 coverage by national media.

    SHOULD THE MEDIA BE LABELED AS A HATE GROUP BY THE $PLC?

  86. @Anonymous

    Yep. The more Blacks in a society, the less safe and prosperous it is.

    This is not complicated; it’s an IQ issue.

    Google: National IQs

    Notice a pattern?

    [MORE]

              •   108      Singapore
              •   106      South Korea
              •   105      Japan
              •   105      China
              •   102      Italy
              •   101      Iceland
              •   101      Mongolia
              •   101      Switzerland
              •   100      Austria
              •   100      Luxembourg
              •   100      Netherlands
              •   100      Norway
              •   100      United Kingdom
              •   99        Belgium
              •   99        Canada
              •   99        Estonia
              •   99        Finland
              •   99        Germany
              •   99        New Zealand

    [snip]

              •   70        Botswana
              •   70        Rwanda
              •   69        Burundi
              •   69        Cote d’Ivoire
              •   69        Ethiopia
              •   69        Malawi
              •   69        Niger
              •   68        Angola
              •   68        Chad
              •   68        Djibouti
              •   68        Somalia
              •   68        Swaziland
              •   67        Dominica
              •   67        Guinea
              •   67        Haiti
              •   67        Liberia
              •   66        Gambia
              •   65        Congo
              •   64        Cameroon
              •   64        Gabon
              •   64        Sierra Leone
              •   64        Mozambique
              •   59        Equatorial Guinea

    Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

    Sub-Saharan Africans have never made a contribution to the world. If allowed to become too numerous they destroy previously-thriving and safe White cities.

    This is why Blacks seethe with jealousy and hatred of Whites yet can’t seem to stay away because they want what we create and maintain, no matter if they deserve it or not. They want our peaceful and clean neighborhoods, our law and order, our technology and science, our school systems, our inventions, the jobs we create, the food we grow, the transportation we invent, the entertainment we provide… Blacks hate us but can’t live without us. That’s why they demand that we take care of them and give them special rights and privileges that we don’t grant ourselves, just to compensate for their inability at living in a modern and technologically-advanced civilization.

    Some groups succeed all the time, everywhere. Some have never succeeded anywhere.

    Blacks are the oldest race, so they should be the most advanced race; but they never developed at all and had to be domesticated by Whites.

    National IQs calculated and validated for 108 nations:

    https://www.academia.edu/18754731/National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations

    https://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/IQandNationalProductivity.pdf

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. @Sick of Orcs

    “Access to Whites is not a right.”

    Just week we had a White sub-Saharan African (Elon Musk) launch a spacecraft while Black sub-Saharan Africans destroyed several cities.

    Name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks.

    Name a single contribution from sub-Saharan Africans to the world.

    The simple fact is, everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

    Blacks are the only race never to have civilized. They were removed from the jungle just 250 years ago.

    Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

    • Replies: @haha
    , @Sick of Orcs
  88. @annamaria

    “whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world”

    Slavery was the best thing to happen to Blacks, it was essentially a rescue mission by a free cruise. Being a slave was actually a good career move for a Black African — as it still would be today. An enslaved Black in any non-Black country has a higher standard of living than a free Black living among his own kind.

    After defeating George Foreman for the heavyweight boxing title in Zaire (now Congo), Muhammad Ali returned to the United States where he was asked by a reporter, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” Ali replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”

    Blacks are incapable of creating a civilization of their own. Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  89. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Criminally insane Floyd killed himself. His chosen lifestyle could only lead to a bad end sooner or later. He shouldn’t even have been out on the street after his armed home invasion conviction. It was the misfortune of the police to have had to deal with this drugged-up thug at the point he was going to expire due to drugs and eroded health due to years long drug use. He was a large, tough looking criminal that one had to be careful in dealing with. This is the ‘hero’ of the moment, one of the scummiest people one could ever meet.

  90. Herald says:
    @Anon

    Get a big copper to put his weighted knee on your neck for 8 minutes or so and then report back and tell us how it was for you.

    • Replies: @JeffF
  91. fnn says:
    @chuckywiz

    The Jewish MSM always ignores non-black victims of police misconduct. They made a collective decision to do that following the mild uproar over Ruby Ridge and the Waco massacre of the Branch Davidians. Today the Narrative is all about white oppressors and black victims.

    It is economic disparity and hopelessness, stupid, and that is what the pundits are avoiding purposely.

    We can’t read minds, so you could possibly be right. But in the visible world toppling statues of white men and various displays of guilt-mongering seem to be taking precedence over any racially neutral economic demands.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  92. EoinW says:

    Muddy the water. Now we know why they hate us. Now we know why posters at this site and Zero Hedge are considered white trash. Science is unacceptable when lefties use it to promote global warming or the Nazis use it to lock down our society, but when it can be manipulated to try and prove dirty cops innocent then it’s okay. What’s to conclude? Giant Echo Chamber! The Left has it to keep their ignorant followers in line. The Right has it as well. Everyone preaching to their audience and no one really worried too much about truth.

    This is an excellent site. It’s a shame that it feels a need to blame EVERYTHING on Jews or Socialists or whatever the rednecks have been brainwashed to fear. The site simply hurts its credibility doing this. Not much better than Left wing groups and that’s one serious Freak Show!

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @fnn
    , @Anon
  93. Rurik says:
    @obwandiyag

    They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–

    no, they’re rioting because blacks and browns don’t have academic and economic parity with whites, and the ((universities)) have instructed their charges that there’s no such thing as racial differences, and so that means all the academic and economic discrepancies between white and black, and the over-representation of blacks in the criminal justice system, are all a direct consequence of lingering, “systemic” white racism in America.

    That’s why they’re rioting. The Floyd death was simply the perfect metaphor for America’s ‘racism’, crystalized down to nine minutes of video.

    The video was simply the catalyst, for a mindset that’s been foisted by the ((universities)) and ((media)) for many decades now.

    We’re seeing what they’ve wanted all along. White people transformed into Palestinians, treated as second class citizens. Affirmative action, and now free health care ONLY for blacks in Kentucky.

    White people will pay the taxes, but not get the benefits, because they’re racists and anti-Semites, and like the Palestinians (terrorists) they don’t deserve any rights.

    That’s what this is all about. The 21st century is to be like the 20th, a Jewish supremacist orgy of racial hatred unleashed.

  94. Ko says:

    From what I understand, Fentanyl acts quickly and if he had 3x lethal dose in him, he would have died earlier.

    I feel bad for the cops, trained by Israelis who routinely kill Palestinians and use the knee of the head move. Look here at pics:

    https://insidearabia.com/israel-exports-its-brutal-police-training-to-the-us-and-it-shows/

    I don’t understand why they held him down so long. It seems as if they wanted to wait until the criminal stopped tensing himself, which could be an indicator of continued resistance. Maybe they felt if they eased up, he’d jump up and fight them as the guy in Atlanta did.

    The Atlanta cops are going to get lynched. That’s not justice.

  95. Trinity says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Ali spoke a lot of truth and the only reason the counterculture adopted him is because of his stance against “Whitey” or what they thought was his stance against “Whitey.” I do not blame Ali for not wanting to fight for America in the Vietnam War. When Ali grew up, Blacks were indeed second class citizens, far from it now, they have their asses kissed 24/7. Ali was about Blacks pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, and was a hardcore SEPARATIST. Ali actually had more than a touch of Irish blood in him. I wish more Blacks did indeed belong to the NOI like Ali, I think we would have less crime and they would stay to themselves.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  96. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    George Floyd was an unhealthy man. He wasn’t an angel. He wasn’t even a decent citizen. He was a piece of shit.

    But he didn’t die of an overdose.

    He died from a cop burying his knee on his neck for almost 10 minutes. Already in horrible shape with breathing problems, his body wasn’t able to handle it.

    Floyd was pleading for him to get off his neck. He was asking for his mother. C’mon people. Chauvin was heartless and ignorant. All he had to do was get off Floyd’s neck. He wasn’t a threat.

    Chauvin had a serious lapse in judgement. So did Floyd. He wouldn’t have been in that position in the first place. We can always argue that Floyd was a piece of shit. Maybe he was, but he didn’t have to die like that. Who in this comment section is so perfect to judge?

    Chauvin has his own issues. He isn’t a murderer either. Ignorant and callous, yes. Deserving of jail time. I don’t think so. Therapy and retirement form the police force? Absolutely.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Anonymous
  97. 3 problems in US

    1 Blacks can newer be civilized.
    2 Blacks will never trust white people.
    3 Whatever whites will do. Blacks will never be satisfied until they will have all and permanent administrative power.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Druid
  98. Rurik says:
    @EoinW

    Nazis use it to lock down our society

    what a lying POS you are

    It was the liberal Democratic governors who were the worst ‘lock-down’ “Nazis”, but to a dishonest, agenda-driven liar like you, the truth is only something to bastardize to your own hatred-consumed agenda.

    EVERYTHING on Jews or Socialists or whatever the rednecks have been brainwashed to fear.

    Yea, it’s not like thousands of those rednecks haven’t given their lives in the last two decades fighting the Eternal Wars for Israel, now is it? But that’s a price we should all pay for what was done on (((9/11))), huh?

    • Agree: fnn
  99. The entire debate is moot at this point. Floyd is dead. The puppeteers have their “Crisis”. The mob is still out there. Thought crime is the new passion. Negroes can do nothing wrong. When they do, it is my fault because I am white. Up is down, down is up, etc. The big question is what lies ahead.
    This was all manufactured to cover the real truth about a collapsing economic system which will devastate nations and economies all over the world. When it hits(my bet is before 2021), nothing else will matter. Here in Amerika, the Sheeple, Normies, and Cucks will go bat-s**t crazy. It will be Bosnia times Rwanda times Venezuela, times The Stand. Plan accordingly. Bleib ubrig. Proverbs 27:12.

    • Agree: Trinity
  100. All this hysteria over one dead black thug and utter silence about far more tragic/innocent victims(often at the hands of black thugs) suggest that the ‘systemic racism’ is in favor of blacks.

    It’s like US’s favoritism for Zionists over Palestinians, Iranians, and Arabs.

    We hear endless yammering about ‘antisemitism’ and ‘white supremacism’, but US is pathologically philosemitic and serving Jewish Supremacism 24/7.

    BTW. it will be funny when a black guy wearing a Floyd t-shirt ends up dead at the hands of another black.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
  101. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    IF this whole incident is REAL, and believe me, nowadays I have a hard time believing anything we see in the media or read is REAL, I have to say the cop was wrong and does deserve to do time. Whatever the guy died from, people in the crowd told Chauvin over and over that Floyd wasn’t moving. The other cops should have pulled Chauvin off as well. The case in Atlanta is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, however. IMO, Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter and quite possibly second degree murder, but that one would be hard to prove. BUT the question must be ASKED ONCE AGAIN, how or why did it come to this, WHY didn’t George Floyd COMPLY with officer’s orders? Floyd would still be alive IF he had JUST COMPLIED with the cops. What is it about complying with an officer’s orders do Blacks not understand? A couple months ago a man was killed right up the street from me because he attacked an officer with a knife. The officer responded to a domestic dispute and the man STUPIDLY charged an armed cop with a knife and was shot dead. White cop, and white perp so that was the end of story.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  102. ruralguy says:
    @Ficino

    Covid-19 attacks cells with ACE-2 enzyme receptors. They are present in the lungs, heart, intestine, blood vessels, and kidneys. Many people infected with Covid-19 suffer more damage in these organs than in the lungs. People think they will recover quickly from this virus like another cold (two of the cold strains are actually coronoviruses) or flu viruses, but it’s damage to the organs is more severe. It leaves them vulnerable to next year’s covid-20, where they will now have “preexisting health conditions.”

  103. Agent76 says:

    It is and was Murder!

    May 28, 2020 #GeorgeFloyd Before Being Killed At The Hands Of Police Talking About Street Violence Killings

    Video of George Floyd Before being Killed talks about the violence on the streets.

    May 27, 2020 New video shows Minneapolis police arrest of George Floyd before death

    Four white officers involved in the death of George Floyd have been fired from the Minneapolis Police Department, but Mayor Jacob Frey is saying that one of the officers should be arrested for pressing his knee on Floyd’s neck.

    • Troll: Gordo
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  104. FB says: • Website
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Well let’s have ’em (couple of thousand cop murders) . And don’t forget to include Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas.

    Police extrajudicial executions of civilians are over 1,000 EACH YEAR in the United States…far more than any other country in the world…

    –The Counted

    Also we learn from this ‘article’ that…

    Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims “are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.

    So that is nearly 2,000 civilians a year that die in interactions with police…basically the Wild West…

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  105. fnn says:
    @EoinW

    Muddy the water.

    Talk about pure projection.

  106. vot tak says:
    @Biff

    I’ve known plenty of people over the years prejudiced against people of one race, but not another. Yes, it is common and is a dumb question.

    • Replies: @Rich
  107. JimDandy says:
    @Agent76

    Yelling and posting videos won’t change the fact that you’re wrong and have no valid counter-arguments to the ones presented in this article.

    Thx.

    • Troll: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  108. @DanFromCT

    As a result, incompetence that would otherwise have remained harmless often becomes dangerous, especially as incompetent people with good intentions rarely suffer the qualms of conscience that sometimes inhibit the doings of competent people with bad intentions.

    Good intentions were cobbling his way to disaster. – Old German saying. – I like Dietrich Doerner – as a social scientist and as a humble man (a Social Democratic leftie from the days before the left grew “regressive” (Dave Rubin).

  109. George says:

    Floyd’s condition is irrelevant. If I have the facts straight Floyd was handcuffed and loaded inside the police car. For reasons that are unclear he ends up face down on the asphalt with 4 dudes sitting on top of him. For me, without an amazing explanation all four should never have been police officers. His death makes it worse but the inexplicable part is why he was on the pavement being crushed.

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  110. @obwandiyag

    Are you really going to share “a couple thousand” murders by police with us? Ok, I’ll bite. Send them to us in short installments of 3 or 4 hundred, just so we can keep up.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @trickster
  111. Anonymous[456] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    Where did I even remotely insinuate anything about slavery in my post? Your sickness is part of the denial I was referring to.

  112. Dan Kurt says:
    @Cranberries

    RE: Might help for someone to explain this calculation, since simply summing the fentanyl and norfentanyl concentrations gives 16.6, not 20.6. Cranberries comment #6.

    I read somewhere that another fentanyl moiety was also detected in George Floyd’s autopsy blood. That may explain the discrepancy.

    Dan Kurt

    • Replies: @Voltara
  113. I really hate saying it but you could have a video of St.George shooting up minutes before his encounter with Minneapolis’ finest and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference. The Church of the Perpetually Aggrieved have their martyr and will not let trivial things like truth get in the way.

    When I’m feeling particularly cynical and want to irritate the Missus I will say something like, “Yeah, that was pretty bad but he probably did something we don’t know about. So it all evens out in the end.”

  114. Rich says:
    @vot tak

    Oh “prejudiced ” against a particular group, is that the same thing as “racist” now”? Does “racist ” mean anything other than White? The word “prejudice ” means to “pre-judge”, what if someone judges a person or group after getting to know them very well? What if I find I love all people except Tibetans, am I a “racist “? For you kooks, I am if I’m White. So I guess that’s a “dumb question”, since I’m pretty Pale

    • Replies: @vot tak
  115. @Emslander

    Videos and photos are very poor evidence because they only raise an emotional response.

    This is fact is usually overlooked. I still don’t really grasp, why that is. But people seem to lack – media education, or self-reflective self-distancing concerning the difference between being an ey-witness and witnessing a video about an event. – Maybe Marshal McLuhan is one reason that the video-deception is not being noticed for what it is: a major source of self-deception because he made media-reflection trendy and at the same time clueless.

    This seems at first sight like a rather dismal academic distinction – until it becomes crucial to make it, like in this case.

    By now I might even be boring some readers of Unz.com by insisting on the following factual truth: Tom Wolfe showed in pristine detail, just how this video deception, as you might call it, works in his (sigh, I’ll repeat this esthetic fact too now for the umpteenth time) – Tom Wolfe was able to show how this video-deception plays out in his excellent novel Back to Blood.

    PS
    It might be not accidental, that Tom Wolfe did have a close look at Marshal McLuhan’s ideas and did write quite a bit about it, long before he started to work at Back to Blood. – Fruits take their time until they’re ripe, it seems.

  116. Rurik says:
    @Trinity

    What is it about complying with an officer’s orders do Blacks not understand?

    since I generally agree with you, and agree that this was likely staged, and that the other cops should have intervened, and that Chauvin was obviously guilty of a callous disregard for the man’s life, (regardless of what he actually died of).. I agree with that all.

    But I also understand why some people would try to flee the cops, (and being arrested and having your life destroyed). It’s a risk some people are willing to take. Like the guy who was murdered by cop, lying in the snow (while being sadistically tortured by tazer). That sadistic bitch tortured him to death because he ran from her, and defied her ‘authority’.

    I’ve known of too many cops in my lifetime who’re drunk on their authority (power), and I don’t blame some people for running from them. If our laws say it’s ok for cops to shoot such people, then so be it, but if they’re not allowed to shoot suspects running away, then if that’s murder, it’s murder. No?

    American cops are way too militarized and often murderous and unaccountable. Absofuckinglutely.

    But the Jews are turning this into a racial issue for their own agenda, whatever that is at the moment. Perhaps simply as an amusement, to watch whitey squirm. (one of their favorite pastimes ; )

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Trinity
  117. @Steve in Greensboro

    Agree. Apparently many commenters can neither read nor reason from empirical evidence.

  118. I’ve never before seen such stupidity in the comments as is seen here today. Something strange is going on. Many of you didn’t read the article but have strong opinions. This isn’t typical of Unz readers. For some reason the Trolls are out in force on this one. Are you trying to destroy this website’s credibility?

  119. @Emily

    In certain quarters first responders do carry naloxone injectors for that contingency – it takes half an hour of training.
    Opioid LD50s are house numbers, but it´s a possibility.
    Clearly no choking, but I wouldn´t rule out vagus shock.

    Overall I´d say a measured exposé, but as many others already noted the question is moot now.

  120. @Biff

    Given your confidence, can you tell us the exact number of “racists” married to people of other races in America?

    Your response should be within 2% of the actual number, and please also provide proof of the “racism” on the part of the individual “racists” married to non Whites.

    File that under “overconfident moron”

    • Replies: @FemCrim
  121. Bucky says:

    It is possible that floyd died of a drug overdose.

    Not long after the video of Floyd s death came out a journalist from the Atlantic tried to reenact it. He was unable to keep his balance for the amount of time.

    This is possibly because the knee on the neck was not putting that much pressure on the neck. It is possible that it was it was an even stance and the knee was applying slight or no pressure.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  122. @obwandiyag

    They riot because the press whips them up into a frenzy. There is no shortage of blacks killed by police or whites killed by police but this incident was spread to the 4 channels blacks are capable of finding and drove them to riot.
    If blacks don’t like how cops treat them, then they should improve their savage behavior. Over half of all homicides, over a third of cop killers, the majority who shoot at police, and far more likely to resist arrest. When will blacks learn basic civilization, or do whites need to hold their hand yet again?

  123. @ICANREAD

    Your underlying analysis is incorrect. People overdose at much higher levels and live through it.

    Ok. Then you say:

    One of the 18 patients died in hospital.

    I don’t know the point you’re trying to make. Other than the author is correct.

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  124. @anon

    Then, one officer pulled him out on the other side.

    I assaume because he demanded to be let out due to a medical emergency. “I can’t breathe!”. So they did and called an ambulance, which arrived a little later.

  125. starthorn says:

    Truth is the first victim of criminality. There, that’s better.

  126. @backup

    there are signs that COVID19 decreases Hemoglobin levels

    LOL. As if COVID19 is real.

  127. Facts:
    1.Officer Derek Chauvin isn’t in the video. The person purported to be Officer Chauvin is a different person and that is quite clear from examining stills from the video and comparing them to still photos of Officer Derek Chauvin.

    2.One of the police vehicles had a licence plate that said ‘POLICE’. This is absurd.

    These are just two EXTREMELY obvious facts about the ‘video’ and there are dozens more fun facts about this incident that really no other conclusion is possible IF a person is observant AND honest about this video: it is a hoax. See: canucklaw.ca for an excellent and detailed breakdown.

    Somehow, nearly everyone in ‘professional media’, aka as the presstitutes paid to lie by their jewish billionaire employers, accepts this obvious HOAX as though it is legit and beyond question.

    Sounds familiar. Kind of like every mass shooting incident of the last 18 years which is to say, ever since the HOAX of 9/11 the Jew Spew Propaganda arm just can’t stop ‘reporting’ on clearly faked events anytime they want to push the gun control issue, distract from another issue or, worse still, to manipulate low IQ ghetto thugs, communists and assorted snow-flakes into rioting which the Jew spew media then presents as ‘peaceful protests’.
    Anyone else sick of this never ending effort to manipulate the conversation away from the theft of Trillions of dollars being presided over by Zion Don, his underlings Mnuchin, Jared Kushner and the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Last time I checked the unemployment number, that was previously 40 million, it seems to have inched up to nearly 50 million. I expect to see continued efforts, each more desperate than the last, as the elites fight for power, loot the treasury and race-bait. I don’t know when but I expect that at some point, barring any corruption or treason trials. elites will start to be executed by vigilante groups. I just can’t see these level of social pressure, outright criminality and outrageous propaganda continuing to grow before average people become frustrated and disenfranchised enough to act. Somewhere from among the silent majority of rational Americans I expect to see a response to the last 2 decades of ‘Global War of Terror’ insanity,financial looting of the present and future American people with a dash of race war tossed in as a further insult to reason.
    It amazes me that a community of largely dysfunctional blacks -mostl net takers from the economic system-have the gall to use the term ‘white privilege’. They don’t pay taxes beyond basic consumption, cause endless problems, avoid the infantry in every war, and now want ‘reparations’ after leeching off whites for over 150 years. It never ceases to amaze me how effective propaganda is and how incredibly stupid the far left of the curve can be.

    • Agree: Druid
  128. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    said:
    “People don’t riot over the specific police murder that sets it off. They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–one of the ways being to murder them”

    – Then Euro-whites should be the ones rioting.
    – The number of Euro-whites killed by police are much, much higher than blacks, which is remarkable considering that blacks do the vast amount crime.
    – It is whites who are targeted by blacks, the stats don’t lie.
    The Color of Crime: https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

    Tucker Carlson Breaks Down Every Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Suspects In 2019: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/tucker-carlson-police-shootings-genocide/
    Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.1db63f3f7797
    Study Concludes White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Black Citizens: https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/23/study-white-police-officers-not-likely-shoot-black-citizens/
    Black Officers More Likely than White Officers to Shoot Suspects: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/26/study-black-officers-more-likely-than-white-officers-to-shoot-suspects/
    There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings, By Heather Mac Donald: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/

  129. Trinity says:
    @Rurik

    I agree with your post 100%. If Mr. Floyd had been White and the cops were White, this story wouldn’t have been talked about outside of Minneapolis. Speaking of Minneapolis, notice the JEW MEDIA covered the story about the black thug throwing the white kid off a balcony in the Mall Of America for about 3 minutes, and no suggestions of race at all. Yep, I don’t buy the Pawn Vanity narrative that 99% of cops are decent either. I can’t think of any profession that could make that claim. I am watching the telly as I type this and now the natives are engaging in a multi-city “Juneteenth March.” LMAO. I guess this will now become a national holiday. How anyone can be fooled by this anymore is beyond stupid. Take care, my friend and enjoy the comedy placed before us.

    • Agree: Rurik
  130. Bethany says:

    I’ve been on Derek Chauvin’s side from the beginning. I knew it was just a race thing that the media blew up and distorted, just like that kid wearing the MAGA cap with the native American in DC, whose name I forgot. I hope that Derek Chauvin will be found not guilty and will sue the mainstream media like that kid from Kentucky did. My only fear… is that America is not an honest country anymore and even if it is so blatantly obvious that Chauvin is innocent, that they will have to find him guilty anyway.

    I just can’t stand it. I can’t stand the thought of that happening. I mean, imagine that ultimatum…. serve justice or risk a city burning down. How can the masses be so misinformed? Unaware and corrupted?

    I took some notes today from E. Michael Jones, I watched his video, Sicut Judaeis Non, and I/we have to really let what he said sink into our beings, in order that we can resist it and not acquiesce. I can’t go along with corruption and let injustice come to Derek Chauvin. The truth has to be told.

    My notes from E. Michael Jones:

    “Jewish identity is the rejection of logos- political, moral, economical”
    “Modernization is about everyone becoming Jewish.”
    “We have internalized the commands of our Jewish oppressors.”
    “We have a Jewish superego.”
    “Break free from the control of Jews in our minds.”

    And recently I’ve been watching Yuri Benzmenov again, we really have to understand the deep psychological warfare, the hypnotic spell we’ve been under and break free from it.

  131. @SOL

    What else is new? Repeat offender was a drug addict. Drug addict died of an overdose. People using lies about his death are not revolutionaries, they are just bandits, burglars and vandals.

  132. Voltara says:
    @anonymous1963

    They’ll get a fair trial and be found not guilty…. setting off round #2 of rioting and looting a couple of weeks before the november election

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  133. Voltara says:
    @Dan Kurt

    Hey Dan, I thiiiiink….. norfentanyl is a metabolite of fentanyl, which means it has been absorbed and processed by the body so the norfentanyl level would be indicative of a higher/additional level of fentanyl intake, which when calculated backwards implies 20.6 total

  134. @Rurik

    “no, they’re rioting because blacks and browns don’t have academic and economic parity with whites, and the ((universities)) have instructed their charges that there’s no such thing as racial differences, and so that means all the academic and economic discrepancies between white and black, and the over-representation of blacks in the criminal justice system, are all a direct consequence of lingering, “systemic” white racism in America.”

    The persistent so-called “achievement gap” reveals the same racial IQ hierarchy on standardized academic exams. The SAT is largely a measure of general intelligence. Scores on the SAT correlate very highly with scores on standardized tests of intelligence, and like IQ scores, are stable across time and not easily increased through training, coaching, or practice. SAT preparation courses appear to work, but the gains are small — on average, no more than about 20 points per section.

    [MORE]

    Even after decades of focused attention to the achievement gap, it has remained unchanged.

    Vanderbilt University researchers tracked the educational and occupational accomplishments of more than 2,000 people who as part of a youth talent search and determined that scores on the SAT correlate so highly with IQ that they are described as a “thinly disguised” intelligence test.

    ACT Scores by Race:

           Year              White             Black               Asian
           2009              22.2               16.9                 23.2
           2010              22.3               16.9                 23.4
           2011              22.4               17.0                 23.6
           2012              22.4               17.0                 23.6
           2013              22.2               16.9                 23.5
           2014              22.3               17.0                 23.5
           2015              22.4               17.1                 23.9
           2016              22.2               17.0                 24.0
           2017              22.4               17.1                 24.3
           2018              22.2               16.9                 24.5
          
    Source: ACT, Inc.

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    Black-White SAT Score Gap by Year:

           Year              White             Black               Gap
           1985              1038               839                 199
           1990              1031               849                 185
           1996              1052               857                 195
           2000              1060               859                 201
           2005              1061               863                 197
           2010              1063               855                 208
           2015              1047               846                 201

    The new SAT introduced in 2017 was “designed to inspire and increase access to college” by creating “a more equitable exam”. The new SAT cannot be compared to previous results:

           Year              White             Black               Gap
           2017              1118               941                 177
           2018              1123               946                 177

    The 2017 “college readiness” scores (ability to earn a C or higher in an entry-level course) showed the stark racial achievement gap; Asians scored 70% college readiness, Whites 59%, and Blacks only 20%.

    (Source: U.S. Dept. of Education, College Board)

    https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

    SAT scores are highly correlated to intelligence test scores. The SAT correlates with an IQ test at 0.86, almost the same as an IQ test correlates with itself. For this reason, we can very reliably take SAT scores and convert them to IQ scores.

    Results of psycho-metric IQ and scholastic tests are highly correlated. Rindermann & Thompson (2013, p. 822)

    In the 20 year period from 1994-2014 the Black-White difference increased on both the verbal and math SATs despite targeted efforts to close the race gap. On the reading test, it rose from .91 to .96 standard deviations. On the math test, it rose from .95 to 1.03 standard deviations.

    In fact, the truncated nature of the SAT math score distribution suggests that these race gaps would be even larger given a harder exam with a bigger score variance. Note, for example, how the Black score distribution is cut off at the bottom while the Asian score distribution is cut off at the top. That suggests that a redesigned exam might feature even more pronounced race gaps.

    Percent by Race Reaching the SAT College and Career Readiness Benchmark:

                     15% = Black
                     24% = Non-White Hispanic
                     35% = Native American
                     53% = White
                     56% = Asian

    Source: The College Board, 2014

    PISA scores by race:

                  White             Black               Asian
                  531               433                  525

    Source: National Center for Education Statistics, 2015

    NAEP Report Card: Mathematics

    “In 2019, there were no significant changes in score disparities compared to 2017 across most reported student groups in eighth-grade mathematics, with a few exceptions. For example, among racial/ethnic groups, the average mathematics score at grade 8 for White students was 32 points higher than the average score for their Black peers in 2019 and 24 points higher than the average mathematics score for eighth-grade Hispanic students. The 32-point White–Black score difference in 2019 was not significantly different from the 32-point score difference in 2017, the previous assessment year, nor the 33-point score gap in 1990, the first assessment year.”

    https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/nation/groups/?grade=8

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    Blacks and Whites with Equal Educational Attainment Differ in Cognitive Ability

    Black and White Americans with the same formal level of education differ significantly in their cognitive abilities. Specifically, within any given level of formal education Whites consistently outperform Blacks. Moreover, this effect is so strong that Blacks often underperform Whites who have lower levels of formal education than they do.

    Consider the following data from the General Social Survey. This public data is frequently used in social science research and contains a test of verbal intelligence as well as measurements of participant’s self-identified race and highest educational degree obtained. Verbal intelligence tests correlate at around .75 with full-scale IQ and so this data can also be taken as a fair measure of intelligence in general (Lynn, 1998). If we set the White mean score on this test to 100 and the standard deviation to 15, we can come up with an “IQ” style scale.

    As can be seen, using this method Blacks with a graduate degree have a level of verbal intelligence indistinguishable from that of Whites with a junior college degree. Blacks with a four-year degree are roughly on par with Whites who never went to college at all.

    IQ BY RACE AND HIGHEST DEGREE EARNED (1972 – 2014):

    Highest Degree                      White IQ               Black IQ               Gap
    High School Drop-out:                 89                         82                      7
    High School Diploma                   98                         90                      8
    Junior College Degree               102                         95                      7
    Bachelor’s Degree                      108                       100                     8
    Graduate Degree                        113                       102                    11
                
    This data is consistent with evidence from the National Adult Literacy Survey (NALS) which administered tests of cognitive ability to 26,000 US adults in 1992. These tests were designed to measure how well people could take information and use it in a way which would help them function in modern society.

    Blacks are such poor academic achievers that the National Achievement Scholarship Program was created with lower standards for Black candidates only, instead of the National Merit Scholarship Program which is open to everyone else.

    THE SMARTEST STUDENTS: The National Merit Scholarship Program was founded to identify and honor scholastically talented American youth and to encourage them to develop their abilities to the fullest.

    BLACK STUDENTS ONLY: The National Achievement Scholarship Program was initiated specifically to identify academically promising Black American youth and encourage their pursuit of higher education.

    They are both measured on the PSAT.

    Minimum score for National Achievement: 190
    Minimum score for National Merit: 220

    Roughly, PSAT x 10 = SAT (out of 2400)

    The U.S. government’s PACE examination, given to 100,000 university graduates who are prospective professional or administrative civil-service employees each year, is passed with a score of 70 or above by 58% of the Whites who take it but by only 12% of the Blacks. Among top scorers the difference between Black and White performance is even more striking; 16% of the White applicants make scores of 90 or above, while only one-fifth of one percent of a Black applicants score as high as 90 — a White-Black success ratio of 80/1. IQ differences become more pronounced with greater g-loading.

    Bill Gates, after pulling philanthropic funding from Common Core, “When disaggregated by race, we see two Americas. One where White students perform along the lines of the best in the world with achievement comparable to countries like Finland and Korea. And another America, where Black and Latino students perform comparably to the students in the lowest performing OECD countries, such as Chile and Greece.”

    Blacks score so poorly on academic exams that colleges give them 230 “race bonus” SAT points to help them qualify for admission:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html

    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    “Personal scores” are the new subterfuge for artificially assisting Blacks gain admission to universities. Asian-American applicants receive a 2 or better on the personal score more than 20% of the time only in the top academic index decile. By contrast, white applicants receive a 2 or better on the personal score more than 20% of the time in the top six deciles. Hispanics receive such personal scores more than 20% of the time in the top seven deciles, and Blacks receive such scores more than 20% of the time in the top eight deciles.

    An otherwise identical applicant bearing an Asian male identity with a 25 percent chance of admission would have a 32 percent chance of admission if he were White, a 77 percent chance of admission if he were Hispanic, and a 95 percent chance of admission if he were Black.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  135. @FB

    “Police extrajudicial executions of civilians are over 1,000 EACH YEAR in the United States…far more than any other country in the world…”

    In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 Blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 Black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

    Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer.

    From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over that 33-year period was 52% White, and 41% Black. So, the 13% total Black population in the U.S. commits 41% of police murders.

    Further, Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by Black males.

    Nine unarmed Blacks were killed by police in 2019 (seven of whom physically assaulted the officers), as opposed to 19 Whites, according to the Washington Post’s database, but Blacks are much more likely to have police encounters than Whites. In an average year, about 49 people are killed by lightning in the US, according to the National Weather Service.

    [MORE]

    The Myth of Systemic Police Racism:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wall-street-journal-op-ed-hold-officers-accountable-who-use-excessive-force-but-theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-racial-bias

    An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

    Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings
    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

    6 Facts From New Study Finding NO RACIAL BIAS Against Blacks In Police Shootings
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-study-no-racial-bias-police-involved-shootings-james-barrett

    Blacks should be shot more often, based on the number of crimes committed:
    https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-we-probably-ought

    Every year, American police officers have about 370 million contacts with civilians. Most of the time nothing happens, but 12 to 13 million times a year, the police make an arrest. How often does this lead to the death of an unarmed Black person? We know the number thanks to a detailed Washington Post database of every killing by the police. What is your guess as to the number of unarmed Blacks killed by the police every year? One hundred? Three hundred? Last year, the figure was nine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

    That number is going down, not up. In 2015, police killed 38 unarmed Blacks. In 2017, 21. What about White people? Last year, police killed 19 unarmed Whites, in addition to the 9 unarmed Blacks. We know the number of Black and White people arrested every year, so it is possible to make an interesting calculation. The chances of being unarmed, arrested, and then killed by the police are higher for Whites than for Blacks. For both races, it’s very rare: One out of 292,000 arrests for Blacks, and out of 283,000 arrests for Whites.

    Since 2015, when the Post began tracking these numbers, the police have killed about 1,000 people a year. Every year, about one quarter of them are Black. This is about twice their share of the population, which is 13 percent. Is this proof of police racism? No. The more likely explanation is that Blacks are more likely than Whites to act in violent, aggressive ways that give the police no choice but to shoot them. In 2018, the most recent year for which we have statistics, Blacks accounted for 37 percent of all arrests for violent crimes, 54 percent of all arrests for robbery, and 53 percent of arrests for murder. With so many Blacks involved in this kind of violent crime, that Blacks should account for 25 percent of the people killed by the police seem like a surprisingly low figure.

    There is another perspective on police killings of civilians. Every year, criminals kill about 120 to 150 police officers. And we know from this FBI table that every year, on average, about 35 percent of officers are killed by Blacks. So, to repeat, Blacks are 13 percent of the population and account for 25 percent of the people killed by police. But if police were killing them in proportion to their threatening, violent, criminal behavior, they would be a greater percentage of the people killed by the police.

    • Thanks: FPD72
    • Replies: @FB
  136. We know much about Officer Chauvin, but very little about Floyd.

    Where did he get the drugs?

    Was there any trace of it on him, in his car, his residence or the last places he visited?

    What was he doing in the hours leading up to his arrest?

    Were the people he was with also using?

    What is his drug history?

    There’s a whole story here being concealed.

    • Replies: @Tucker
  137. Patricus says:

    Thank you for a thoughtful article. This reinforces my original thought that we should wait for the results of the trial. Presumably the cop has a competent lawyer who will be able to review and present the comprehensive evidence to a jury. Ideally the prosecuting attorney will also be able to understand and present another side of the story. Ideally there will be a fair jury, not a howling lynch mob, and not a group of retired cops. This system is certainly imperfect but better than shoot from the hip opinions based on some seconds of video viewing.

  138. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobbieSmith

    IQ is important, yes. About half of all US born Blacks can’t do anything useful in an industrial society because their IQ is at or below 83. The countries below the snip won’t be industrialized by the people who live there, as that would leave well over half the populations unemployed.

    To me, the surprising thing has been that POC and non-European born Whites, also reject Western European civilization. Their precise reasons are different, but their rejection is just as uniform as that ob the Blacks. The objective indicator here is voting preference — solidly Democratic. Apparently they find Western society repulsive, for reasons that differ for each kind of POC and that I listed in my original post (https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/#comment-3977459).

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  139. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Who in this comment section is so perfect to judge?

    I am. Just about any 12 people here could get on a jury and be found fit to judge, so they are also.

    Not a perfect system, but it beats not judging, which is the alternative. Don’t judge and your enemies will prevail every time.

  140. @Biff

    Right on. Have an agree.

    On top of locking-up all productive people in fake-ass quarantine for months on end and destroying their livelihoods. While the sloths in government prepare their ultimate surveillance society ( contact tracing) in conjunction with the donor class; on behalf of the villains who hatched the latest financial legerdemain.

  141. Herald says:
    @Anon

    Anon going for consensus by agreeing with himself.

  142. @Anon

    I think more likely he died of a Covid-19 induced heart attack.

    Is this intended as satire? If so, it’s kind of humorous because it combines two current hoaxes — the hoax of anti-black police murder and the hoax that Covid is any worse than the seasonal flu.

  143. Trinity says:

    HOW MUCH MORE OBVIOUS CAN THIS WHOLE MANUFACTURED CRISIS BE??

    NOW WE HAVE THE USEFUL IDIOTS MARCHING IN NUMEROUS CITIES FOR JUNETEENTH.

    ROTFLMWAO.

    When did Juneteenth become such a MAJOR EVENT?? I just got back from running a few errands and this shit about Juneteenth was not only on Black music stations but classic rock stations as well. WAKE UP PEOPLE. CAN YOU BE ANY DUMBER YET? What can you really say about the suicidal white traitor trash bags marching in these marches, useful idiots on steroids.

  144. @Bucky

    I personally think ol’ georgie boy should have checked his Black Privilege before he left the house that day. He may well have been down a quart or two.

  145. DanFromCT says:
    @Tazer 2.0

    Your tone unfortunately discredits two critical points you’re making. Due to nonstop gaslighting, the MSM has successfully transformed riots denying citizens their rights, threatening their persons, and causing wanton destruction into “peaceful protests.” This form of rioting is an act of aggression using the means available to disarm a much stronger opponent, such as armed police, as well as armed and competent citizens.

    That the Republicans, Fox News, and the left all agree these are essentially peaceful protests when they are self-evidently insurrection by the means available suggests it’s another false flag of the magnitude of 9-11. It is a fact that the elaborate and synchronized efforts at 9-11 concealment by Fox News, CNN, and the entire federal government provide powerful evidence of their complicity in cremating 3,000 or so Americans alive for political purposes. My guess is that thousands may be massacred this time to achieve double-barreled lockdown and compliance as this country’s last resources are used to transfer its position as superpower to Israel.

    When BLM, Antifa, and the Black Panthers are transported to the suburbs, they will neutralize the one opportunity local whites have to turn them back, using the guise of “peaceful protest,” now enshrined not only as immunity from arrest, but as the greatest expression of our constitutional rights to free speech and peaceable assembly. The “peaceful protest” becomes a psy-op and part of what’s called “meme encapsulation,” which in this case detoxifies and encapsulates homicidally anti-white initial maneuvering by the left to overwhelm resistance and portray war by the means available as an ultimate good. Everything comes into play as Cloward-Piven cascades on top of CV19.

    To those familiar with asymmetrical warfare, casting riots as peaceful should be a tip off it’s a Trojan Horse to be used against the suburbs if needed. The ensuing savagery will be portrayed and waved away as the acts of the few marring the essential good of the mob, even suggesting the few were bused in for the purpose. We may expect this while trying to defend our shops, supermarkets, and neighborhoods where black Panthers and BLM are literally given a police escort on the grounds of being a “peaceful protest.” This is a strategy we’d better assume has already been worked out at the highest levels of the deep state.

    On the personal level, you mention “shuck and jive,” which is also an entirely aggressive feint intended to get whites to drop their guard and, in the 2 to 3 seconds you get taken in, you’re dead or mauled as if by a pack of hyenas and left for dead. This was a key point made decades ago by Col. Jeff Cooper in his classic on self defense and the manly traits needed to successfully put it off, To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth.

  146. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Delete the parachute analogy. Common misunderstanding that weight affects acceleration.

    • Thanks: JackOH
    • Replies: @Spud Boy
  147. haha says:
    @RobbieSmith

    “Name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks”

    Amharric – a 1,000+ years old developed language of Ethiopia. Ever heard of Queen of Sheba? Also black. Ever heard of the Ashanti kingdom? A flourishing kingdom and civilization several centuries ago. Get at least a grade 4 education you ignorant illiterate.

  148. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Moving to Israel?

    • LOL: Trinity
  149. Thank you Mr Leonard. I am glad you took extra time to do excellent research on this current issue… Without the BS. I will be sharing this with all of my ‘white supremist’ friends and all of my ‘Oreo’ acquaintances.

    BTW… Re: parachute analogy. I think Galileo demonstrated that terminal velocity is terminal velocity… But who am I to nitpick! Kudos.

  150. @SOL

    Excellent work. Unfortunately, the revolutionaries exploiting his death don’t care about the truth.

    Lying opportunism is expected from the revolutionaries. What’s new, shocking and depressing is that no one of any note on the entire right side of the political spectrum is honest and brave enough to speak the truth.

    Every Republican politician up to and including Trump himself has simply ran for cover with something along the lines of “the murder of George Floyd was disgusting but . . . . a few bad apples . . . . blah, blah, blah.” They were even doing this on the alt-right.

    Before the autopsy tox screen came out I was practically the first person on Sailor’s comment section to say (based on the video alone) that the cop clearly didn’t even kill Floyd because: (a) it was obvious the neck-hold wasn’t choking him, and (b) equally obvious that he was OD’d on something which I guessed was heroin.

    As soon as the fentanyl levels in his blood were confirmed it should have been obvious to anyone that he simply died of a self-inflicted overdose. Yet, every day the lying media continue to state as a self-evidence fact that Floyd was “murdered.” I feel like I am in an alternate universe where everyone is lying all the time with the true, irrefutable facts lying in plain sight.

    I started out cynical, but watching this strange collective insanity engulf the nation has really shaken what little faith I ever had in the honesty and rationality of my fellow humans. (Especially on top of the almost equally preposterous coronavirus lockdown hoax). We are truly doomed.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  151. @bruce county

    3,600 cardiac arrest deaths in NYC were result of COVID.

    Correction: 3,600 cardiac arrest deaths in NYC occurred “with” COVID.

    Don’t fall for fake news.

  152. haha says:
    @gotmituns

    “Doesn’t matter what the nigger died of”

    Actually it matters, it matters a whole lot. Aren’t you seeing the US collapsing because of what happened or what seemed to be happening? This was a tragedy which never should have happened. There are no angels in this one, only thugs and idiots on both sides.

    • Replies: @englishmike
  153. Man, we ain’t interested in the facts! We is ready to change da world cuz our new massa say so … damn the truth.

  154. Sulu says:

    One of the main things about this incident is the fact that Floyd was a drug dealing/abusing criminal with a rap sheet a mile long that was in the act of passing a fake 20 when he was arrested. Do you think just maybe if he had not been so criminally inclined he would not have had any interaction with the police?

    That is the part that the BLM crowd never want to address. This guys own actions are what ultimately led to his death. If he hadn’t been a piece of shit he wouldn’t have ended up the way he did. All his fault.

    Sulu

    • Agree: bruce county, AnonFromTN
  155. MarkU says:
    @obwandiyag

    I cannot help but agree, the police in the US are notoriously trigger happy, as are the US military and far too many of its citizens, particularly young black males.

    • Replies: @birhan
  156. Goatweed says:

    Floyd died from drug overdose.

    How far down the drug distribution chain does felony murder extend?

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
  157. ICANREAD says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Err, it’s not complicated. Author says “That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.”

    Which is flatly untrue. With proper medical care, people live through overdoses with more than 30 times higher than that blood serum level. The paper reports 18 overdoses that came into the hospital. 17/18 survived. I’m sure he needed some level of medical attention/Narcan, but in no way would he have died on his own in those few minutes, if the police hadn’t brutally restrained him unnecessarily.

  158. ICANREAD says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, of course proper protocol when dealing with someone in medical distress is to sit on them for over 8 minutes as they wheeze “I can’t breathe” and bystanders say “You’re killing him” and continue after he stops breathing. Not to mention the off-duty first responder that tried to intervene and was ignored. https://www.ems1.com/safety/articles/video-off-duty-ff-pleads-with-minneapolis-police-to-assess-george-floyd-qpHAGleuOb2wnlB4/ If they were concerned with his medical welfare, they would have boxed his car in, waited for the EMT, and then decided on the best course of action to ensure his wellbeing. That’s what “Protect and Serve” means.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  159. @haha

    Ethiopia is not sub-Saharan (= not black, rather brown).

    • Agree: RobbieSmith
    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  160. vot tak says:
    @Rich

    Ah, a generic shlomo doing a pedantry troll. This site could use another “troll” flag. One labled “zio-faggot troll”. Or maybe “shlomo-faggot troll”.

    😀

    • Agree: RobbieSmith
    • Replies: @Rich
  161. Denjiro says:

    http://chng.it/bNBkf9jVVf

    Here’s a petition to make a law to prevent firing people over expressing free speech. Please sign if you would like the freedom to share this story, or any other story that you may or may not agree with, on your social media without being fired from work.

    • Agree: RobbieSmith
  162. @haha

    Yes of course .. they teach world language in grade four. STFU.

  163. Thanks everyone for all your comments. I will answer a bunch of them here.

    6. Cranberries, ditto #122 Dan Kurt, and #133 Voltara figured it out. The molecular weight of norfentanyl is 232.32 g/mol, while fentanyl weighs 336.471 g/mol. As fentanyl is metabolized in the liver it loses a little weight. So to adjust back to the original amount of fentanyl, I multiplied the norfentanyl weight of 5.6 ng by 336.47/232.32 and added them together.

    8. Franz. You make some interesting points. I do note the police may not have acted perfectly or with perfect knowledge – but who does? Don’t drug addicts bear any of the responsibility for their fate? Certainly this point is never mentioned in the media brouhaha. By the way, the frequency of drug fatalities is not even particularly correlated to race. The hardest hit are lower middle class whites.

    10. Wuok. “Fentanyl offers a particularly potent high but also can shut down breathing in under a minute.”
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/21/704557684/fentanyl-linked-deaths-the-u-s-opioid-epidemics-third-wave-begins
    It is very difficult to tell how long a person is going to survive.

    14. Sean. Actually Narcan / naloxone is an antidote for most opioids. The suggestion that police should carry a supply of it is worthy of debate. Should they be trained as paramedics first? They might want to get paid more rather than being defunded. Certainly your suggestion is more constructive than tearing down the pyramids.

    18. ICANREAD. After the piece was mostly finished I did find that incident in California where people survived higher doses, average 53 ng/ml. I mention it in footnote 13. However they were in the ICU on intravenous naloxone for 24-39 hours – maybe ventilation too. So my stated conclusion is call an ambulance ASAP. Note however that each state of the art rescue like this probably costs us something in 5 figures, and many addicts OD over and over again until they succeed in going on the final trip. Meanwhile honest working people can’t afford health care. What isn’t broken around here? The easiest thing would be to start a little list of unbroken things for Thanksgiving, since there seems so be so much that needs to be fixed, and so many people fixed on breaking what isn’t already broken.

    20. RouterAl. Nice to have a pharmacist’s opinion here! I agree Fentanyl is inherently very dangerous – especially to be making and taking on the street. It’s a lot cheaper to make than heroin and 50 times more powerful. Interesting point that in that position Chauvin could not have been applying much weight with his knee.
    Thanks for “Excellent article which should be on the front page of every major paper in the USA.”

    21. Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist. I know it’s a long article but if you read down to Part II, you will see the story of Tony Timpa, a white guy who overdosed on cocaine, had symptoms like excited delirium, and was treated much worse by the police than Floyd was. He also died before they put him in the ambulance.

    22. anon[161] You say that only 2, not 4 officers tried to get Floyd into the car. You might be right. I got the idea it was 4 from this passage in Wikipedia: “a third police car arrived with officers Derek Michael Chauvin and Tou Thao, who joined Kueng and Lane. Chauvin assumed command. According to prosecutors, Floyd told the officers he could not breathe while they tried to force him into the car.” I thought “they” referred to all four since the second pair “joined” the first pair. Part of the difficulty getting him in could have been if his body stiffened. “Stiffening of the body or seizure-like activity” is mentioned as a symptom of fentanyl overdose here https://www.livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html
    By the way Wikipedia mentions Kueng and Lane briefly went into Cup Foods before going to Floyd’s car. They would presumably have been shown the counterfeit note then.

    54. Redman wrote, “What exactly did happen to the white substance that clearly fell out of his left pocket while against the wall? Odd nobody mentions that.” Interesting question. Does anybody have a link and time for that clip?

    79. Juckett credits me with an “excellent example of actual journalism.” Thank you.

    94. Ko writes, “Fentanyl acts quickly and if he had 3x lethal dose in him, he would have died earlier.” When did he take it? The lab report looks legitimate. He might have built up some tolerance for it. If it was ingested rather than injected it would also take longer. Fentanyl metabolizes into norfentanyl in the liver. Almost half of it had metabolized, that might give an estimate when he had taken the dose.
    Regarding “I don’t understand why they held him down so long,” I have puzzled about that too. A banal possibility is that Chauvin wasn’t putting enough weight on the neck to hurt Floyd, so he saw no harm in erring on the side of restraining until the ambulance arrives. A case is mentioned where “The officers continue to restrain him until one of them realizes that the man is no longer breathing” in this excellent article : https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1379&context=lj
    The pattern in these cases is the police are not doing anything that would normally lead to death, and they are not expecting the person to die suddenly. Either Fentanyl or EXD can kill a person very fast, as you noted, but of course, the time is variable.
    With police being on video all the time, they need acting and screenwriting classes as well. It’s going to become a highly skilled job.

    101. Trinity asks, “WHY didn’t George Floyd COMPLY with officer’s orders?” In the article I addressed that. “Loss of judgment is a symptom of the syndrome; this includes futile efforts to resist arrest.”

    109. George says, “he was on the pavement being crushed.”
    It’s hard to tell from the videos how much weight was being used. This knee hold is not supposed to use much weight.
    https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-cops-put-their-knees-on-the-back-of-people’s-necks-even-when-it-is-not-necessary
    The answers agree that only as much weight should be used as needed to restrict movement, it’s not to cut off circulation. So the weight depends on how strongly the suspect is resisting. Here is a British policeman’s answer:
    “You control the head, you control the body.
    We don’t bear down on them with all our weight. We keep the knee there to prevent them pushing themselves up and starting to fight again.
    It’s restraining them in position, not squashing them into the ground. How do you know it’s not necessary?”
    Floyd seems to be complaining about the restraint. But in the state he was in, he may not have been clear about whether his pain was from police restraint, or from the onset of respiratory collapse from the overdose.

    125 Starthorn. “Truth is the first victim of criminality. There, that’s better.” Good one.

    128. Wally has done the research on data showing whites and not blacks are victims of violence. “– It is whites who are targeted by blacks, the stats don’t lie.
    The Color of Crime: https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
    Checking the amren page, finding this:
    “Interracial crime. In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.”
    Black Lives Matter, and how!
    Hispanic lives matter too but a little less. “A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.”
    Wally you got enough material for a good article on this. There is debate about it but it looks like most studies at least show there is no systemic racism of white police against blacks.

    135. RobbieSmith wrote, “In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer… Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.” A 7 to 1 ratio. “Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. ”
    Yes. If you consider that the USA has about 800,000 policemen, and 42 million blacks, then if the same numbers are getting killed on each side, it’s 50 times riskier for the smaller side.

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  164. birhan says:

    I poorly Remember the closing lines (text) of the Film Taxi Driver…In the Aftermath of Violence,,reality (truth) is…( a matter of perspective??)…The aftermath of wide spread violence mayhem, was NOT about Floyd…the whole apparatus was planned way ahead of time, logistics, methods,locations, political marketing, Media relations, all happened like a precise Clock like synchronicity etc. We are reaching the apex of invented reality the capitalists billionaire corporate banking America financing BLM, ANTIFA, while PDs depts are cut, defunded,…in the mean time another $5trillions in bails outs, deepstate OBAMAGATE congressional hearings go UNnoticed…and MSM coordinating with terrorists..so surreal…most looters were all WHITE ANTIFA, acting like crews of provocateurs, you yell, you break, you throw the gas and He ignites de fire..then we all walked away..only the forensic EYE of a well experience intelligence officer could see IT…even COPS…inciting the mobs, delivering bricks..some of the people were ID as Mossad, IDF, …y guess what all finance with USA tax moneys…ONGs, foundations, Nonprofits that are fronts for ANTIFA, BLM,…and incredibel that the DOD,DOJ, FCC, FTC, Federal Reserve, IRS can NOT trace the$$$..what??? Waco was set on fire..ANTIFA is protected????

  165. In vacuum, falling parachutists and falling feathers accelerate at the same rate.

    The more massive faller will make a bigger splash, however.

  166. Floyd’s blood tests showed a concentration of Fentanyl of about three times the fatal dose.

    This seems unlikely:

    The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml (emphasis added).

    From here:

    https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/fentanyl_en

    Come back when you have better information.

  167. birhan says:
    @MarkU

    To Obgadiyan: The MOB said it was about Floyd…dont change the narrative, goal line..killings by cops had gone DOWN more than 80%, while killing cops is up about 20%.. who is going to riot over COP being murdered,or brown or asians, or muslims, or PALESTINIANS, being genocide..?? how about excessive traffic tickets, parking citations, speeding, ,,,,look up the Treyvon Martin Hoax…the DEM Zio Machine doesnt give a sht…

  168. Arcturus says:

    The high level of opioids combined with meth does help make sense of the inconsistencies in the story so far:

    1) The original call said that Floyd was highly intoxicated, but there was no evidence was drunk. Was that just a lie by the store owner? No, it was the drug delirium.

    2) Why did he appear to cooperate and then resist, saying he couldn’t get into the car because he was claustrophobic (was that breathing-related?) and twice falling to the ground (as if he were an uncooperative toddler) and calling out? Again, drug delirium is the best explanation.

    3) Police actions that end in civilian deaths usually (always?) involve heightened emotions and perception of risk due to a high-speed chase, fight, presence of weapons, etc., which can (but need not) be aggravated by racial mistrust. NONE of that here. If not an outright (and bizarrely inconsistent) false flag, it makes much more sense as excited delirium and awkward restraint situation that then was exploited for effect.

    Open questions:

    1) Why did Floyd leave Houston, which is a *destination* for job seekers, to go to Minneapolis for “better job prospects”? Where was he getting his drugs? Was there a connection to the club where Floyd and Chauvin worked?

    2) Why did the cops not suspect an opioid overdose and treat it as such, including administering Narcan? Floyd wasn’t just nodding off – was that due to the meth in his system as well?

    2) Didn’t Baden’s autopsy claim that Floyd’s hyoid bone had been crushed and that showed strangulation was the cause of death (as with Epstein)? Of course if this was just a drug overdose and not a false flag to begin with, good ol’ Bones Baden could have been brought in to stir things up.

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  169. Even this exhaustive and painstakingly detailed report does not list all of the aspects, which might have been at play and contributed to George Floyd’s now world-famous death.

    I missed the hint at the mutually reinforcing effects not only of the EXD and the overdose, but also of the underlying medical conditions. And in George Floyd’s case this is an impressive list, which frightens me already right down to my bones: Sickle cell anemia; CO-19 infection just overcome; obesity; diabetes (now I hesitate – do I remember that too, or id I assume, that George Floyd might have suffered from diabetes too – ok – I’ll leave that aside for the moment: Then there is the psychological stress because he had been out on parole – and – that he had officially so to speak declared, that he had changed his criminal behavior for good and was living the life of an honorable, law-abiding citizen…

    (If anything of what I added here might be correct: add it to what John-Paul Leonard – kudos to him! – has pinned down already… and you end where: You end at a point where it would have been necessary to have Superman assisted by a saint and a very experienced ER-medic like commentator the scalpel over at John Reed’s blog, to have at least a tiny little chance in the fatal case of George Floyd to – – – make a visible difference – which might still not have been enough, to really save his life…

  170. @ICANREAD

    And of course it’s incumbent on every beat cop in the country to be prepared to render Johnny-on-the-spot, perfect diagnosis, happy ending medical care every time they have an encounter with the George Floyds of the world.

  171. @Goatweed

    Would it matter anyway if Floyd was also dealing himself?

  172. Arcturus says:
    @Arcturus

    This bears repeating

    It would be helpful if the AMA would recognize EXD as a real condition, rather than dismissing it as a cover story for police brutality. Ignorance of the symptoms can lead to unintentional cruelty by police, when they assume they are confronted by a typical case of a criminal violently resisting arrest, rather than a patient with a life-threatening intoxication.

    Recognizing EXD as a real condition and decriminalizing drugs are the two concrete steps that could do the most to improve police-community conditions.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  173. @haha

    Aided and abetted by Egyptians. The Horn of Africa is a “mestizo” society. Now name a civilization/written language created by sub-Saharan Blacks.

  174. J.Ross says:

    Imagine forcing all the peaceful looters to read this fantastic article.

  175. J.Ross says:
    @gotmituns

    Standards and practices, hiding a prohibited word in a false compound (likethisforexample), fourth “word” first line.

  176. @Anonymous

    “About half of all US born Blacks can’t do anything useful in an industrial society because their IQ is at or below 83. The countries below the snip won’t be industrialized by the people who live there, as that would leave well over half the populations unemployed.”

    IQ correlates strongly to job performance, wealth, income, economic growth, livability, cooperation, life expectancy, and infant mortality.

    Blacks are the only race never to have civilized. No modern creations exist in sub-Saharan Africa that were not brought there by Whites. Without continuous intervention, Blacks cannot even maintain what Whites gave them.

    19 of the 20 poorest countries are sub-Saharan African. There are no White Third-World countries, but all Black ones are.

    The average national IQ of the world is only 90. Fewer than one in five nations have National IQs of 100. Almost half have National IQs of 90 or less.

    It was calculated in a study published in IQ and the Wealth of Nations that a National IQ of 90 is the threshold for a technological economy:

    African Black (IQ 67) + White (IQ 102) = American Black, 24% White admixture (IQ 85).

    The more Black a society is the less safe and prosperous it is.

    National IQ correlates at 0.73 with living standard.

    Each 10 point increase in IQ generally doubles economic growth, assuming the country has a market economy.

    The following intelligence scores came from work carried out earlier this decade by Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist, who analysed IQ studies from 113 countries, and from subsequent work by Jelte Wicherts, a Dutch psychologist. The study was published in IQ and the Wealth of Nations and has nearly a a thousand cites. Lynn and Vanhanen benchmarked their IQ results so that Britain is 100. America scores 98 on this scale, and the world average is 90.

    Google: National IQs

    [MORE]

    Notice a pattern?

              •   108      Singapore
              •   106      South Korea
              •   105      Japan
              •   105      China
              •   102      Italy
              •   101      Iceland
              •   101      Mongolia
              •   101      Switzerland
              •   100      Austria
              •   100      Luxembourg
              •   100      Netherlands
              •   100      Norway
              •   100      United Kingdom
              •   99        Belgium
              •   99        Canada
              •   99        Estonia
              •   99        Finland
              •   99        Germany
              •   99        New Zealand

    [snip]

              •   70        Botswana
              •   70        Rwanda
              •   69        Burundi
              •   69        Cote d’Ivoire
              •   69        Ethiopia
              •   69        Malawi
              •   69        Niger
              •   68        Angola
              •   68        Chad
              •   68        Djibouti
              •   68        Somalia
              •   68        Swaziland
              •   67        Dominica
              •   67        Guinea
              •   67        Haiti
              •   67        Liberia
              •   66        Gambia
              •   65        Congo
              •   64        Cameroon
              •   64        Gabon
              •   64        Sierra Leone
              •   64        Mozambique
              •   59        Equatorial Guinea

    Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

    Sub-Saharan Africans have never made a contribution to the world. If allowed to become too numerous they destroy previously-thriving and safe White cities.

    This is why Blacks seethe with jealousy and hatred of Whites yet can’t seem to stay away because they want what we create and maintain, no matter if they deserve it or not. They want our peaceful and clean neighborhoods, our law and order, our technology and science, our school systems, our inventions, the jobs we create, the food we grow, the transportation we invent, the entertainment we provide… Blacks hate us but can’t live without us. That’s why they demand that we take care of them and give them special rights and privileges that we don’t grant ourselves, just to compensate for their inability at living in a modern and technologically-advanced civilization.

    Some groups succeed all the time, everywhere. Some have never succeeded anywhere.

    Blacks are the oldest race, so they should be the most advanced race; but they never developed at all and had to be domesticated by Whites.

    National IQs calculated and validated for 108 nations:

    https://www.academia.edu/18754731/National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations

    https://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/IQandNationalProductivity.pdf

    Put Whites on an island and you get England; put Asians on an island and you get Japan; put Blacks on an island and you get Haiti.

    Eighty percent of Haiti’s population live on less than two dollars a day and the country’s Gross Domestic Product per inhabitant is six times less than that of neighboring Dominican Republic.

             The Island of Hispaniola:

             Dominican Republic
             Per capita GDP = $7,052 (2017 USD)

             Haiti
             Per capita GDP $765 (2017 USD)

    The capital of Haiti, Port-au-Prince, is one of the largest cities in the world without a central sewage system. Most of the more than three million people in the metro area use outhouses. There’s just one sewage treatment plant in the entire country (built by Whites).

    Haiti was the jewel of the Caribbean that outproduced every other island until the blacks overthrew the French in the 17th century and after that Haiti has been the poorest country in the western hemisphere.

    Nowhere Blacks live are they considered achievers. Blacks are universally viewed as unproductive and disruptive to society.

    If the races are equally intelligent, then there should be evidence that they are; absence of such evidence is itself evidence that the races are not equal.

    Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

    The entire continent of Africa produces a mere 1.5% of the world’s manufactured goods. The 41 countries of sub-Saharan Africa produce no more wealth than the tiny country of Belgium, which has only 1/45 the population. Of all of the region’s economic production, White-run South Africa accounts for three-quarters of it. That Whites are only 8% of South Africa’s population demonstrates how productive and industrious Whites are that so relative few can carry the load for so many unproductive Blacks.

    Nigeria has one of the world’s largest oil reserves. Yet, they are too dumb to figure out how to refine it. All of Nigeria’s gasoline has to be imported.

    Blacks became an out-of-control invasive species after Whites domesticated them.

    Today there are 738 million Europeans and 1.2 billion Africans. In 2050, according to the latest U.N. projections, Europe’s population will have dipped to 707 million, while Africa’s population will be 2.4 billion. By 2100, half of all children on earth will be African. On current trends, within 35 years, 1 in every 4 people will be sub-Saharan African. By 2100, there will be 4.4 billion Africans – two of every five human beings overall — and Europe’s population will be just 646 million.

             •   Young projected to rise 400 million and peak around 2090.

             •   Childbearing population projected to grow nearly 1 billion through 2100.

             •   Since 1980, Africa has grown from 11% to 17% of the worlds total population.

             •   Since 1980, Africa has grown from 17% to 30% of annual global births.

             •   In 1989, annual global births (excluding Africa) peaked and have declined 15% since (and still falling).

             •   The three decade decline in global births (excluding Africa) has nearly been offset by increasing births in Africa.

             •   By 2023, the world’s childbearing population (excluding Africa) will be in indefinite decline, and only Africa’s childbearing population will continue growing.

    Over the past five decades, African income per capita has risen just 240% compared to upper middle income nations (China, Brazil, Russia, etc.) rising 950% and high income nations 410%. Africa is losing ground.

    By the best proxy for true economic activity, energy consumption, suggests Africa has grown from just 2.4% to 3.6% of global energy consumption and the future there is not brightening. Africa’s economic growth is dependent on global growth (excluding Africa), but with declining global markets for exports and significant overcapacity, Africa’s export driven growth potential is very low.

    Lastly, Africa (particularly Sub-Saharan Africa where most of the population growth is occurring) has one of the lowest immigration rates of any poor region.

    By 2030, Africa will be 22% of the worlds population, 200% of annual growth among the childbearing population, and responsible for 38% of global births. but will still be just 4.6% of global energy consumption.

    There is essentially no transfer mechanism from the First World wealth to the poor of the Third World, nor is there a strong avenue for immigration. The global economy will impact Africa, but Africa is very unlikely to impact the global economy.

    https://econimica.blogspot.com/2019/07/2019-un-population-prospects-highlights.html

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  177. @Trinity

    “Ali actually had more than a touch of Irish blood in him.”

    Blacks are incapable of creating a civilization of their own. Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

    Compare IQs between American Blacks who average 24% White admixture (IQ 85) to African Blacks (IQ 67).

    The latest and best evidence, using high-density genotype data, shows that the proportion of European ancestry in the Black American population is about 24% (Bryc, Durand, Macpherson, Reich, & Mountain, 2015).

    Dr. Albert Schweitzer (the 1952 Nobel Peace Prize laureate) stated in his 1939 book African Notebook about Blacks:

    “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with White men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let White men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”

  178. Jay Fink says:

    I am one of the very few people remaining who judge drug addicts. I like when drug addicts die. I feel the remaining balance of humanity is more wholesome and innocent when a drug user ODs. Floyd probably would have died from his drug use eventually but if the Minneapolis police sped up the process I can not thank them enough. This has nothing to do with race as I have deep contempt towards hard drug users of all races. If I could have one wish it would be that we would outlaw Narcan. If someone chooses to become a drug addict they should suffer the full consequences. It is a choice by the way. Everyone who does not take drugs made that choice. If we could do it anybody can.

  179. jakhny says:

    My understanding is that an ambulance did not come for Mr. Floyd’s body. It was a police van with a gurney and police who place Mr. Floyd’s body on the gurney and then into the van. Watch the video.

  180. @haha

    “Amharric – a 1,000+ years old developed language of Ethiopia. Ever heard of Queen of Sheba? Also black. Ever heard of the Ashanti kingdom? A flourishing kingdom and civilization several centuries ago. Get at least a grade 4 education you ignorant illiterate.”

    Ge’ez (Amharic) comes from the Arabs (Sabaeans) in Yeman and wasn’t used in the region now known as Ethiopia (Kingdom of Axum in ancient times) until the 5th Century. Ge’ez uses 24 symbols from the Sabaic alphabet. Even the letters are cognates with Phoenician (Whites).

    Ge’ez was created solely to translate the Bible from Greek and propagate Christianity in Ethiopia. It did not have a natural evolutionary development. The earliest texts are completely ecclesiastical in nature and are translations from Greek. Ge’ez literature begins with Christianity being declared the state religion around 340 A.D. by King Ezana.

    The oldest known written script of Ge’ez is on the Hawulti obelisk dated 4th century AD. There are no manuscripts older than the 12 Century. It was first written down, codified, and with dictionary given to the people by Italian missionaries in 1925 in what was then Italian Somaliland. The Phoenicians (Whites) circumnavigated, colonized and established trading posts (goods and slaves) in Africa 2,600 years ago. And considering that they were living immediately adjacent to the Egyptians (Whites) for 2,500 years before adopting this written language, it is rather startling.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Geez-language

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_literature

  181. Ghali says:

    What a RUBBISH by UNZ. It forgets its moral responsibilty and objectivity. Shameful.

    • LOL: GazaPlanet
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    , @GazaPlanet
  182. anon[675] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It is that Timpa was white, and Floyd was black. So black tribalists like EliteCommInc do not care about dead, white Timpa but are enraged by dead, black, fellow tribesman Floyd.

    That is what it is. Tribalism. Pure tribalism. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Color of skin. Not content of character. That’s tribalism.

  183. Rubicon says:
    @obwandiyag

    Two to three more pathologists NOT living in Swampland USA need to do autopsies before we believe what this article is publishing.

    UNTIL then, we remain certain it was murder that killed George Floyd.

    • Replies: @GazaPlanet
  184. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Franz

    Floyd used a counterfeit twenty dollar bill to purchase cigarettes. Then he went outside to his car, got in, and stayed there, he didn’t drive off. (One could reasonably suppose that he felt too sick to drive.) A store worker realized the bill was counterfeit, went outside, discovered Floyd, told him the bill was counterfeit and demanded he return the cigarettes. (Presumably the store worker offered to give the bill back but I haven’t read that in the news accounts.)  Floyd refused.  Only then did the store call the police.

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  185. APilgrim says:

    George Floyd also reportedly tested positive for Covid-19. Shortness of breath is a common symptom of that sometimes fatal viral syndrome.

    I expect that when the full videos are released, they will show George Floyd spitting on the cops. This would be an assault with a deadly weapon, with many communicable diseases.

    The cops will WALK, on appeal; if not outright acquitted by a jury.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  186. Olorin says:
    @anonymous1963

    Second degree murder is much harder to prove than third degree…yet Minnesota AG Keith “I support Antifa” Ellison upped the charges himself.

    Tim Walz–the Democratic-Farmer-Labor (Democratic Socialist) governor of MN–put the case’s control in (DFW member) Ellison’s hands.

    That was sufficient for me to conclude that the DNC/ActBlue and Soros are behind all of this, pushing for renewed mayhem/riots at the point where whatever verdict is announced.

    Former POTUS candidate Klobuchar calling the charge-strengthening “an important step for justice” indicates she’s either clueless…or like so many leftist Dems, well aware of how to politicize judiciary process.

    Remember, ActBlue and Soros were big engineers of the “Secretary of State Project” that allowed 2006-elected Secretary of State Mark Ritchie to remove the state’s previously established ballot reconciliation process. This led to results including the election of Al Franken as US junior Senator in 2008 by a 312-vote majority:

    https://keywiki.org/Secretary_of_State_Project

    https://keywiki.org/Mark_Ritchie#2006_Campaign

    https://keywiki.org/Keith_Ellison

    Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison (D) has upgraded the charge against Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes shortly before Floyd died, to second-degree murder.

    Ellison also charged Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane — the other officers who were at the scene of Floyd’s death — with aiding and abetting second-degree murder Wednesday afternoon at a press conference.

    Chauvin was initially arrested and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday by the Hennepin County attorney’s office. Both the Hennepin County medical examiner and an independent examiner hired by Floyd’s family ruled Floyd’s death a homicide.

    Over the weekend, Gov. Tim Walz switched control of the case to Ellison, which gave him the ability to strengthen the charges.

    Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D) supported Ellison’s move, calling it “another important step for justice.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500949-chauvins-charges-upped-to-second-degree-murder-three-other-officers

  187. Olorin says:
    @Jay Fink

    We know who you are, Richard Sackler.

  188. @RobbieSmith

    The Honorable Pastor James David Manning pulls no punches.

  189. mcohen says:

    Probably need to identify both adult passengers who were with him in the car at the time.One has been but the 2nd not.Most of the media have completely avoided that person.The one who was in the back seat.

    Did Floyd take the fentanyl knowingly.

    The fact is that race relations in the USA are an Achilles heel if a foreign state wanted to stir things up.
    The riots in Hong Kong and in the West might be related.
    How can the USA demand democracy for a state when it’s own history of democracy is dubious to say the least.

    Remember “change management” originated at the nappy stage of one’s life.Always a smelly business

    That’s my joke

    Hahahahahahahaha.

  190. @obwandiyag

    The only thousands of bullet riddled bodies are blacks in places like Baltimore and the south side of Chicago. Killed by other blacks.

  191. @Hang All Text Drivers

    So long as anti-white does not include Jews, you are right.

  192. @Jay Fink

    Government paramedic services, like government education services, are a catastrophe.

    Abolish them.

    Even if one believes that a public (tax funded) service, if not essential, manages to hit a low bar, it still needs to go.

    Throw out the fetal-alcohol syndrome baby with the fluoridated bath water.

  193. Mark Hunter says: • Website

    From the 911 transcript, caller speaking:
    Um someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car. We tell them to give us their phone, put their (inaudible) thing back and everything and he was also drunk and everything and return to give us our cigarettes back and so he can, so he can go home but he doesn’t want to do that, and he’s sitting on his car cause he is awfully drunk and he’s not in control of himself.

    • Replies: @Arcturus
  194. ICANREAD says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Literally your entire article is predicated on the fact that he had “over three times the lethal overdose…. [of] 4.6 ng/mL” That is incorrect.
    Read the article that was linked.

    http://uthscsa.edu/ARTT/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf

    I’ll make it clearer–of the 18 people that came in that week, these were their fentanyl serum concentrations (of those tested). Also note the tests were done several hours after they arrived at the hospital.

    39.4, 22.7, 16.5, 17, 53.3, 162.3, 123.1, 36.3, 51.3, 27.0, 64.3, 7.9, 65.9

    Of the 18 patients, 4 had prolonged naloxone infusions, not all of them. 17/18 lived.

    Your other comments of cost of treatment and the like are not relevant to your article.

  195. 171 says:
    @171

    The independent world renown examiner Dr. Michael Baden did not find “heart disease” and the corresponding county or usa government did not provide the scientific legitimate reason in the official press release how a “heart disease” may have contributed. Even a separate special use of aggressive undercover operations is marked off, indeed it is not ubiquitously active and nowhere to be seen towards usa law enforcement crime/criminality, corrupt politicans and senators, and public servants of all kinds and types in the touted land of the free-jewmerica.”

    It is well establish by ethical doctors that the DIRECT CAUSE of George Floyd’s death was not the purported chemical substances (because who will also benefit in plating such things?) The usa government is abeting the unscientific peddling that “if you can talk you can breath” narrative by their own law enforcement and this is not true either and it is also well establish by medical procedures and medical science. There are many clandestine obsfucators sent my the usa government overtly or clandestinly when a major global event takes place that does not benefit the usa system as in the murder or assasination of gentile John F. Kennedy and this is no exception as these paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations aim to sway and ultimately control public opinion. If you want genuine Justice for anyone who ends brutalized or deliberately assasinated via unjustified violence by the “multitude of bad apples” in the line of duty then you don’t want to stand for what is right after you watch the following,

    [MORE]

    [you may also benefit from witnessing the entire Press Conference Sharing the Independent Autopsy Results in Death of George Floyd by Dr. Michael Baden on – Romanucci & Blandin, LLC – youtube channel that was not disseminated world wide in its entirety]

    It has been ethically concluded by the highest standards that floyd’s death was Homicide as officially diagnosed by world renowned autopsy Dr. Michael Baden. What part of homicide do you not understand socrates? Homicide=illegitimate/unlawful action of perpetrating death to a human.

    Since when gross injustice against a once subdued person legitimate anti-humanity? That is how, to a naive person consumes daily propaganda by the usa government and their presstitute which reflect an appearance of “good america” while genuinely reflecting a clandestine disdain for what is right or such unjustified violence cloaked under the line of duty against the general population would not be so common in the touted “land of the free.” The magnet (of the peaceful protesters from australia, to europe and latin america) is not to a “good free land of jewmerica” but to the missing and lack of legitimate Justice parroted along with the moral compass touted by the usa government and their law enforcement while the true reality of irrectitude makes itself apparent in videos such as the one of George floyd’s unjustified assassination/murder, where unjustified violence is evident. Thus, with these uncensored videos by the peaceful population or general public of the usa, the truth did not remain hidden by manipulated narratives of the jew-owned presstitute and media in favor of the cia/usa government flavor of their wicked ideology preference while cloaked in sheep’s clothing.

    In conclusion, When an individual poses a serious threat to an officer or another individual, according to the National Institute of Justice, the “peace-officer” (as they are glorifyingly touted) is generally authorized by law to use lethal weapons (i.e., firearms) to protect himself or herself or others by stopping the individual’s actions. You don’t want to realize that there is IRREFUTABLY no serious threat nor danger to life once a person (of any color in handcuffs as the estate of George Floyd was and many others) is subdued. And, those marching (or rather peacefully protesting to show solidarity) in many other foreign nation states display how morally magnetic is the actual legitimate axiom of the interest of justice because that no democracy can exist unless each of its citizens is as capable of outrage at injustice to another as he is of outrage at unjustice to himself.

    • Replies: @ANON
  196. ICANREAD says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Err, yes? I expect first responders (police, fire, EMT) to follow a basic protocol with someone with altered mental status and in need of medical attention (who is not carrying a weapon). Hint: it doesn’t look anything like how they acted.

    Oh wait–they were trained in handling opiate overdoses, and (likely) were carrying Narcan!

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/04/02/minneapolis-police-to-be-equipped-with-anti-overdose-drug

  197. @APilgrim

    If they walk then a full scale race war will explode in USA, which BTW I am eagerly looking forward to.

    • Agree: RobbieSmith
  198. @haha

    How many pages has the dictionary of Amharric ? Two or three?

    • Replies: @haha
  199. @Ghali

    Wow! There were trolls paid by CIA, State Department, and Israel/AIPAC, but this is the first MSM troll I see here. Should we expect more?

  200. @Dieter Kief

    “Ethiopia is not sub-Saharan (= not black, rather brown).”

    As I explained to him in post #183, Ge’ez was not created by the people living in what is now known as Ethiopia. It was create din Yemen.

    [MORE]

    To address your point, North Africans are White and the Nubians were mostly White.

    The Nubians were 60% White. This part of the world is precisely where one would expect racial mixing, and that’s exactly what DNA shows-

    mtDNA analysis in ancient Nubians supports the existence of gene flow between sub-Sahara and North Africa in the Nile valley

    The Hpal (np3,592) mitochondrial DNA marker is a selectively neutral mutation that is very common in sub-Saharan Africa and is almost absent in North African and European populations. It has been screened in a Meroitic sample from ancient Nubia through PCR amplification and posterior enzyme digestion, to evaluate the sub-Saharan genetic influences in this population. From 29 individuals analysed, only 15 yield positive amplifications, four of them (26·7%) displaying the sub-Saharan African marker. Hpa I (np3,592) marker is present in the sub-Saharan populations at a frequency of 68·7 on average. Thus, the frequency of genes from this area in the Merotic Nubian population can be estimated at around 39% (with a confidence interval from 22% to 55%). The frequency obtained fits in a south-north decreasing gradient of Hpa I (np3,592) along the African continent. Results suggest that morphological changes observed historically in the Nubian populations are more likely to be due to the existence of south-north gene flow through the Nile Valley than to in-situ evolution.

    CL Fox, 1997

    mtDNA Analysis of Nile River Valley Populations: A Genetic Corridor or a Barrier to Migration?

    To assess the extent to which the Nile River Valley has been a corridor for human migrations between Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa, we analyzed mtDNA variation in 224 individuals from various locations along the river. Sequences of the first hypervariable segment (HV1) of the mtDNA control region and a polymorphic HpaI site at position 3592 allowed us to designate each mtDNA as being of “northern” or “southern” affiliation. Proportions of northern and southern mtDNA differed significantly between Egypt, Nubia, and the southern Sudan. At slowly evolving sites within HV1, northern-mtDNA diversity was highest in Egypt and lowest in the southern Sudan, and southern-mtDNA diversity was highest in the southern Sudan and lowest in Egypt, indicating that migrations had occurred bidirectionally along the Nile River Valley. Egypt and Nubia have low and similar amounts of divergence for both mtDNA types, which is consistent with historical evidence for long-term interactions between Egypt and Nubia. Spatial autocorrelation analysis demonstrates a smooth gradient of decreasing genetic similarity of mtDNA types as geographic distance between sampling localities increases, strongly suggesting gene flow along the Nile, with no evident barriers. We conclude that these migrations probably occurred within the past few hundred to few thousand years and that the migration from north to south was either earlier or lesser in the extent of gene flow than the migration from south to north.

    Krings et al study, 1999

    50% Whites in Chad and Ethiopia

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5142112

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  201. @Emily

    It is standard now to have Narcan available in the emergency medical kit on prison residential units, and all prison officers are trained on how to use it. It is simple and can be used whenever an opioid overdose is suspected, so no advanced diagnostic skills needed.

  202. @ICANREAD

    “Literally your entire article is predicated on the fact that he had “over three times the lethal overdose…. [of] 4.6 ng/mL” That is incorrect.”

    Floyd died of cardio pulmonary arrest caused by his fentanyl overdose.

    Floyd’s legal team will argue death was caused by “mechanical asphyxiation”. They base that solely on the video. There is no physical evidence for it. The knee didn’t leave any bruising. His hyoid bone was not broken and his throat tissue was undamaged with no petechial hemorrhages. As the report put it, “the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature.” He fainted while he was still standing which indicates he had a problem related to blood flow to his brain. He also complained of breathing difficulties prior to application of restraint (which is intended to keep the perp from hurting himself). They will be eviscerated on cross.

    Floyd’s fentanyl level was 11 ng/mL. The average overdosage is 10 ng/mL (it varies based on the tolerance built up by the individual). Symptoms of fentanyl overdose displayed by Floyd included foaming at the mouth, difficulty walking (he had to be supported by two officers), confusion, respiratory depression, and respiratory arrest. Fentanyl is so potent that law enforcement officers and first responders are warned to wear protective clothing during known raids to prevent inhalation or skin absorption of the drug. This is probably why the officer wouldn’t stop kneeling on Floyd. The ambulance was called after these symptoms were observed because they knew they had a medical emergency due to a drug overdose.

    Further, this was complicated by his severe heart disease. Several of his key arteries were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked. That alone was sufficient to cause death.

    The officer’s knee was not on Floyd’s carotid. He was on the jaw bone and then backed off to the back of the neck when Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. The knee was on the head, ear, and jaw… but not throat. This is the technique taught at the FBI.

    He died from cardio pulmonary arrest as the autopsy states. Murder 2 won’t stick. The Blacks will riot again, as usual.

    https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @SBaker
  203. Agent76 says:

    June 19, 2020 How injustice in the Black community has contributed to skyrocketing Black abortions

    The brutal killing of George Floyd by a police officer in Minneapolis put the issue of racial injustice at the center of national attention. Even Planned Parenthood—an organization founded on the racist philosophy of eugenics—spoke out against racial injustice by tweeting “Black Lives Matter.” And yet, the abortion industry kills an estimated 649 preborn Black babies every single day.

    https://www.liveaction.org/news/injustice-black-community-skyrocketing-abortions/

    • Replies: @mike99588
  204. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    There are no White Third-World countries,

    Wrong. There is this awful dump called United States of America that has devolved into anarchy and chaos with inner cities being hollowed out as we speak. There also is a virus ravaging the population, because there is no healthcare system that cares, or any kind of a system that can do anything about it, yet the people have to pay for an imaginary system that is more expensive than any other system on the planet – a truly fucked population. It is also a punitive, extractive, draconian, police state that sucks more wealth from the population than any other country on earth, and then hands that wealth to criminals on Wall Street and calls it “relief”. It generally sucks to live there, and getting worse by the day.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @trickster
    , @trickster
  205. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    It’s a simple matter of probabilities. It’s rare for a negro to be killed by the police, extremely common for a negro to be high as a kite. “Beyond a reasonable doubt” is white and racist n’ shit, but if the Floyd was lit, you must acquit.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
  206. Agent76 says:
    @JimDandy

    Yep, you are full of actual and factual information? Please learn how to communicate in english. FYI since you are unaware of this fact.

    Jun 19, 2020 Why Won’t the Supreme Court Hold Police Accountable?

    This term the U.S. Supreme Court closely considered eight different petitions dealing with the controversial doctrine of qualified immunity. Ultimately, it denied them all. In this episode, we talk about what the Court’s decision means for IJ’s fight for police and government accountability—and where we go from here.

    • Troll: JimDandy
  207. haha says:
    @Zarathustra

    Ignorance has the joy of always being right! Have you seen an Amharric dictionary, moron? I saw one and it was definitely 600 pages plus.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  208. @Ghali

    Face it, Floyd the Groyd, the Numinous Bituminous, was high as a kite, as numinous beings are wont to be. Officer Chauvin just couldn’t keep his spirit down!

  209. Spud Boy says:
    @Anonymous

    Objects of different mass only fall at the same speed in a vacuum. In the presence of air resistance, heaver objects fall faster. A bowling ball falls faster than a feather.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @vot tak
  210. “There is this awful dump called United States of America…”

    Oh, wow. That sounds terrible.

    Tell that to all your brothers in Africa who are risking their lives by the millions to get here.

    • Replies: @Biff
  211. @Rubicon

    With all due respect, you can’t know why he died just because Chauvin was pinning him down with his knee.

  212. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    your brothers in Africa who are risking their lives by the millions to get here.

    Because it’s just like Africa! It’s got that homey feel…

  213. anon[185] • Disclaimer says:

    the extra weight makes the jumper hit the ground a little sooner

    Er, harder, not sooner. But don’t trust me, ask Galileo Galilei.

  214. Great article. The facts of what actually did kill George Floyd are of utmost importance and are devastating to the official narrative. Well done Mr. Leonard. Below is an article I wrote about the case as well in which I touch upon some of the same things, and draw an unlikely corollary to a case from the 1990’s. Keep up the good work. Cheers!

    https://naturalterraist.blogspot.com/2020/06/george-floyd-mathew-shephard-and.html

  215. Arnieus says:

    It doesn’t matter why he died, if he died. The riots would have happened anyway.

  216. @Anon

    A human must live 12 hours following an injury causing a fatal heart attack for it to be diagnosed.

    • Replies: @Biff
  217. fnn says:
    @RobbieSmith

    The capital of Haiti, Port-au-Prince, is one of the largest cities in the world without a central sewage system.

    With all the Clinton Foundation and other NGO money pouring into Haiti over the last 25 years how is that possible? Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog
    , @Druid
  218. anon[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spud Boy

    In the presence of air resistance, objects with the lesser relative drag fall faster.

  219. @ICANREAD

    He also had meth, THC in his system and his left coronary artery was 75% occluded and his right descending coronary artery was 90% occluded, basically a time bomb in a person NOT on fentanyl.

    There was no trauma to the brain in the form of hemorrhaging or stroke. There was no proof of asphyxiation or strangulation…..it was all in the autopsy report.

    The cops will get negligence causing death…because of the length of time two of the cops had him restrained…..the stress and drugs caused the heart attack…he died. He was a drug addled loser, that met his fate with an awkward ending.

    Of course he’s a hero to the black community…but, so is the child abuser Rayshard Brooks.

    Lowered Expectations!!

  220. Biff says:
    @Pathologist MD

    A human must live 12 hours following an injury causing a fatal heart attack for it to be diagnosed

    A human must live 12 hours after he died?

    • Replies: @RT
  221. Rich says:
    @vot tak

    “Zio”, “schlomo”? What the devil are you on? Fentanyl and meth? Calm yourself, kid, try meditation. Everyone’s not a Jew and they’re not all out to get you. Just try not to call people”dumb”, okay? Makes you sound like a third grader that figured out how to get around parental controls on his computer. First lesson, if you find yourself agreeing with “Biff”, know that you’re not thinking well. And go from there.

    • Troll: vot tak
  222. Sulu says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Great post. Blacks are not only the White man’s worst enemy, they are their own. They sew entropy where ever they go. There is nothing we can do with them short of segregation, voluntary or otherwise. If we allow it they will destroy White civilization and in a generation the entire world will look like Africa. The best thing we can do with them is repatriation to Africa. Instead the world is doing the reverse. Madness!

    Sulu

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  223. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobbieSmith

    And those are real problems, quite possibly bad enough to destabilize the world.

    However — they are not the only real problems.

    Africa is actually more important than you imply, as is it a major source of resources for the PRC. If sub-Saharan Africa becomes chaotic enough to require military armed expeditionary force to continue the PRC’s resource extraction from Africa, the PRC’s actions to obtain raw materials become unpredictable.

    And there was my original point: Blacks are not the only POC who support the destruction or change of Western civilization to their own civilization (or social order, take your pick). _All_ POC do, as do all Whites not from Western Europe and to an extent from Central Europe. The entire post-WW II “industrialize the world” strategy has turned out to be highly counterproductive, counterproductive enough to actually endanger Western civilization and its component called “industrialization”.

    This means that instead of a stated problem to solve, the West has to state a problem that can be productively solved. That is a lot more difficult than using or even inventing a solution to a stated problem.

    In particular, conventional attempts to find a way to “industrialize the world” and “achieve an international system of trade/industrialization whose elements are multicultural countries” will simply accelerate the disorganization and industrial depreciation we see around us now. Another problem statement is needed.

    Typically, such problem statements come only after a major war — the World Wars, the 30 Years War, the Roman Wars of Conquest (Greece, Egypt), the Napoleonic Wars — have made the previous system impossible to maintain. Sometimes great physical stresses can do the same thing — Justinian’s Plague, the Medieval Black Death, the die-off of most indigenous inhabitants of the Americas after they came in contact with Eurasian diseases. You can see the scale of disturbance I’m talking about.

    We apparently have the first manifestation such a large scale disturbance right about now. Most present proposals amount to abandoning industrial society (by diverting necessary maintenance and R&D work to immediate consumption) and destroying Western civilization (by ending instruction in its precepts and possibly by genocide of European descended Whites) in order to reach the goal of extending Western society and industrialization to the entire world (Fukuyama, _The End of History_) beause all races are identical. To date, proposals of this sort have produced what amount to volkswandering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswanderung), which is not the promised result, and which appear to be destabilizing the West’s current governments.
    Obviously, present proposals will be difficult or impossible to implement. Just as obviously, something different will be needed. And we don’t have the something different.

    Therefore, the emerging difficulties have no known solutions. They will continue until everybody is deathly sick of the self-contradictory proposals above, at which point the survivors will work something out. Typically, the “something” worked out is precisely counter what everybody was trying to defend when the fighting broke out. For example, the European Wars of Religion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion), fought to determine which religion would dominate Europe, have ended today (and arguably by AD 1900) with the loss of religion itself. The Roman Civil Wars, fought to save the Republic and avoid rule by King, replaced the Republic with thinly disguised military dictatorship under an Emperor. And so on.

    And that’s my point: hold on to your hat, the current problems are a lot large than you might think, they will be fought out, and the current economic/political systems are going to change drastically. I’m in agreement with Turchin here, for what that’s worth. Think of a much larger surprise than the fall of the USSR.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  224. “It is that Timpa was white, and Floyd was black. So black tribalists like . . . do not care about dead, white Timpa but are enraged by dead, black, fellow tribesman Floyd.

    That is what it is. Tribalism. Pure tribalism. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Color of skin. Not content of character. That’s tribalism.’

    Uhh, I provided a rational that may describe a kind of tribalism — but your comments are nonresponsive.

    1. blacks were born into a system of tribalism based on color, one they could and cannot escape. In response

    2. sure, blacks engage in a form of community collectivism, but is far less monolithic than that o whites – the relational dynamic.

    3. by and large they have managed by crossing the tribal lines as often as possible — despite white recalcitrance to the same.

    4. the number of blacks who have been killed, and whose lives have been destroyed for generations as the direct result of whites rioting is my guess in the thousands — tribalism.

    5. there doesn’t appear to be a systemic disregard for the lives of whites, mere for being white

    6. the cases in which color plays a role — whites remain the primary actors of aggression

    Th reason, that Mr. Floyd’s case highlights the matter is an extreme representation of a series of extremes, but rests on foundations of a far larger less extreme use of the criminal justice system.

    So in some respect you are correct, one tribe is more at risk than the other.

    There’s a scripture reference which I think works well here.

    “Weep not for me or for yourselves, but weep for your children and your children’s children. For if this is what they do when the tree is green, what more will they do in the dry.”

    One way to view that reference is through your tribalism lens. If that is what do to whites , their own members — how much worse it must be or will be for those nonmembers. I think our citizens are valuable as one tribe and should be treated accordingly.

    And I am sure tat Mr./Pastor Koresh was white as were most the members of his congregation as were the families involved at Ruby ridge.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @fnn
  225. Shouldn’t we be so inclined? This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL

    No, you should not be so inclined. Mostly because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fentanyl users can build up a tolerance, so mere postmortem blood levels don’t tell you anything. There’s also a question of how much body fat, or lack thereof, affects blood levels and dosages.

    Here’s a source that shows the average blood level was 11.8ng/ml for investigated deaths listed as “natural causes” and not as overdoses. So there is plenty of precedent and this author is obviously quite ignorant of it.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576505/

    Further, given Floyd’s on camera behavior, it is clear that he is not in the midst of an overdose. Could fentanyl have contributed? Maybe. But it wasn’t the cause of death.

  226. @haha

    “Have you seen an Amharric dictionary, moron? I saw one and it was definitely 600 pages plus.”

    It wasn’t created by Blacks.

    Whites created every country for Blacks, but now have to provide food, medical, financial, and engineering aid to every one. Blacks cannot survive without White charity.

    No pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.

    Blacks were still living in the Stone Age when Whites discovered them just 400 years ago.

    Blacks are the oldest race, so they should be the most advanced — but they never advanced at all. Sub-Saharan Africans never made any contribution to the world. Everything they have was given to them by Whites. Blacks lived alone in Africa, a vast continent with temperate climates and abundant resources for 60,000 years so they cannot blame slavery, racism, colonialism, culture, environment, or anything else for their failures.

  227. @onebornfree

    lol, crisis actors. I forgot how stupid the theories get around here.

  228. @Anonymous

    “And those are real problems, quite possibly bad enough to destabilize the world.”

    I agree.

    I posted just above that I believe the fate of civilization is at stake.

    [MORE]

    The more Black a society, the less safe and prosperous it is.

    This is not complicated; it’s an IQ problem.

    Studies published in IQ and the Wealth of Nations calculated that a National IQ of 90 is required just to maintain a civilization. Blacks average IQ 67 (American Blacks possess 24% White admixture and average IQ 85.

    To put it into perspective, Koko the gorilla scored 1SD higher than Blacks on the same IQ tests!

    Hanabiko “Koko” (July 4, 1971 – June 19, 2018) is a female western lowland gorilla who is known for having learned a large number of hand signs from a modified version of American Sign Language.

    She has learned to use over 1,000 signs and understands approximately 2,000 spoken English words. Further, she understands these signs sufficiently well to adapt them or combine them to express new meanings that she wants to convey.

    Koko was tested on the Cattell Infant Intelligence Scale, Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test, Ravens Progressive Matrices, Wechsler Preschool, Primary Scale of Intelligence, and several administrations of the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale and in spite of the human cultural bias of the tests her scores ranged from 85-95, which is one standard deviation higher than African Blacks score on the same tests.

         IQ 85    =    Koko
         IQ 85    =    American Blacks (24% White admixture)
         IQ 67    =    African Blacks

    “From September 1972, when we administered the Cattell Infant Intelligence Scale, through May 1977, when I administered form B of the Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test, she has scored consistently in the 70 to 90 range on different IQ scales. These scores reflect her mental age divided by her chronological age, the result of which is then multiplied by 100. Such scores in human infants would suggest the subject is slow, but not mentally retarded.”

    https://www.koko.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/teok_book.pdf

    BBC: “The gorilla, who was said to have an IQ of between 75 and 95, could understand 2,000 words of spoken English. The average IQ for humans on many tests is 100, and most people score somewhere between 85 and 115.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44559261

    African Blacks Average IQ 67

    The average IQ of sub-Saharan Africans
    Intelligence 38 (2010) 21–29
    Richard Lynn and Gerhard Meisenberg
    September 25, 2009

    http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/lynn2010.pdf

    • Replies: @Anonomous
    , @Anonymous
  229. vot tak says:
    @Spud Boy

    Ah, mr. potatohead has arived with its appropriate level of intelligence.

  230. I tried sending a link to this article in a Facebook private message, and Facebook refuses to deliver any message that contains a link to this article.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  231. @EliteCommInc.

    Please!
    Give me definition of tribalism and Racism and point me out the differences.

  232. “I tried sending a link to this article in a Facebook private message, and Facebook refuses to deliver any message that contains a link to this article.”

    This domain is blocked on many websites and messaging software, such as Yahoo and Disqus.

    I think it may be in part because they don’t use Google filters. That’s why Zerohedge and The Federalist got in trouble last week.

    This is my favorite Unz URL to post:

    Not Sending Their Best:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/not-sending-their-best/

  233. @For what it's worth

    Facebook doesn’t like the truth.

    UNZ has been booted from FB.

  234. @ICANREAD

    I answered that in comment 166.

    • Replies: @FB
  235. fnn says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    And I am sure tat Mr./Pastor Koresh was white as were most the members of his congregation as were the families involved at Ruby ridge.

    The Koresh sect was 60% white and 40% non-white. Why do you think the (((MSM))) and USG tried so hard to suppress that fact for so many years? Why did they work so hard to portray the Branch Davidians as a white right-wing cult? Probably for the same reason they initially insisted that the triracial Hispanic George Zimmerman was some sort of white racist.

    And why are George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson both hiding somewhere in the shadows while FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi (who blew off the head of Vicki Weaver while she was standing in the doorway of her home holding her baby daughter) is living comfortably on a lucrative federal pension?

  236. 147. Anonymous[139] and 151 @Marcus O’Really_us , 168 Abolish_public_education has answered this perfectly. “In vacuum, falling parachutists and falling feathers accelerate at the same rate. The more massive faller will make a bigger splash, however.”
    You guys are right that acceleration is a constant, but in practice this is precisely true only in a vacuum. In a free fall through air the object’s density – or weight relative to drag – does affect the terminal velocity. A ball falls faster than a balloon. A skydiver on his belly has terminal velocity of 120 mph but feet first can reach 150 mph. So the backpack could add to the density.
    A better way of saying it could be the chutist will hit the ground harder with extra weight on him.

    169 @Peripatetic Commenter . Fentanyl was first developed as a surgical anesthetic. Wouldn’t the very high concentration of fentanyl you cite for anesthesia (10-20 ng/ml) be for a local anesthetic, which is not injected into the main bloodstream? Like at the dentist.
    Also in a surgery the patient receives intensive care to handle complications, it’s not like on the street.

    173 @Jim Bob Lassiter wrote “And of course it’s incumbent on every beat cop in the country to be prepared to render Johnny-on-the-spot, perfect diagnosis, happy ending medical care every time they have an encounter with the George Floyds of the world.” The same difficulty is pointed out in the American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome (ACEP, 2009) which I cited in ref. [9]

    180 @RobbieSmith Interesting quote from Dr. Albert Schweitzer, particularly as he was my childhood hero, I was so impressed by what he tried to do for Africa. I didn’t know he wrote, “Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you.” Hmm.

    182. @jakhny Wikipedia says an ambulance and then a fire truck came on two EMS calls.

    205. @RobbieSmith “this was complicated by his severe heart disease. Several of his key arteries were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked.” Good catch. Also long term drug abuse often leads to heart disease.

    217. @W.M. Peterson Read your article https://naturalterraist.blogspot.com/2020/06/george-floyd-mathew-shephard-and.html . Good one. Interesting characterization of the night club where Floyd and Chauvin worked – “El Nuevo Rodeo… the shady Latin dance club was owned by some seriously disreputable figures and was being used as a front for drug dealing, money laundering and counterfeiting.” Drug dealing and counterfeiting. Apropos.

    226. @Anonymous[339] @RobbieSmith I share your concern for the future, we are facing major problems with very incompetent leadership.
    However I still want to believe in human perfectibility. In Subsaharan Africa there is the exceptional example of the Igbos, who seem to have similar culture and IQ to other high-achieving nations. In the USA, imprisonment rates have been dropping, most rapidly among blacks, by 34% between 2006 and 2018. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/05/06/black-imprisonment-rate-in-the-u-s-has-fallen-by-a-third-since-2006/

    228. @Joos Made Me Weak “Reliability of Postmortem Fentanyl Concentrations in Determining the Cause of Death” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576505/ is certainly an appropriate article title for this discussion! I saw it when researching but didn’t pick up on it because it’s about fentanyl skin patches.
    Looking at those figures the first problem is there are average fentanyl concentrations for the fatalities. Averages are skewed by cases that are very high. What we need are maximum figures for surviving an overdose, and minimum figures for dying from one, and without medical care. Sure those figures are going to overlap, every case is different so medicine is not as exact as math or physics.
    When you look at Table 2 there, it gives the range of fentanyl concentration in accidental deaths. It is from 1 ng/ml to 102 ng/ml. The range for “natural” deaths was 1 ng/ml to 102 ng/ml. So some of these folks died with as little as 1ng/ml, and if I’m figuring correctly, Floyd had 20 ng/ml. Suicides had a range from 3 to 462 ng/ml. It doesn’t have to take a lot. Overkill doses have no bearing on either the minimum or typical fatal dose.
    You say “the average blood level was 11.8ng/ml for investigated deaths.” What was your point? Were you thinking this was the average level for surviving?

    233. @For what it’s worth “Facebook refuses to deliver any message that contains a link to this article.” Figures.

  237. @ICANREAD

    If you think cops answer a call about a fake 20 dollar bill, then you’re pretty naive. Oh wait, everyone else believes this fairy tale too. All the stupid goyim are naive by definition.

  238. Psych RN says:

    Everyone should try this: Lay face down on a concrete floor. Put you hands behind your back. Have someone who likes you kneel one knee on the center of your upper back – not their full weight, just some. Try saying “I can’t breathe” to show that you can still talk even when you’re not getting enough air.

    When Floyd said, “I can’t breathe,” they responded “You’re talking fine.”

    When someone restrained like that says, “I can’t breathe,” the common misconception is that if they can talk they can breathe. It takes a lot more air to supply life sustaining amounts of oxygen to the brain and heart than it takes to say or even shout, “I can’t breathe.” Go back to my first paragraph and try it.

    Restraining someone in a prone position, especially with pressure on their back, is life threatening; especially after physical exertion like struggling with cops, if they have serious heart or respiratory conditions, if they’re injured, if they’re overweight or obese, if they have alcohol, drugs, psychotropic or sedating meds on board, if they’re paranoid or scared.

    Someone experiencing respiratory depression from overdose on fentanyl or other opiod doesn’t struggle to breathe or say, “I can’t breathe!”. They fall asleep or pass out; their respiratory rate slows down or stops; and they quietly die. Large doses of opiods cause heavy sedation while at the same time acting on the part of the brain that controls breathing. The person will pass out and their breathing will slow down or stop. If you can wake them up they’ll consciously breathe enough. If they fall back to sleep again or pass out their breathing will slow down or stop. I have often sat next to a patient heavily sedated from an overdose, counting their respirations, and when their respirations drop below 8-10/min. waking them up to remind them to breathe – while waiting for Narcan to take effect (2-3 minutes if given IV; 10-15 if given IM) Opiods are sometimes given to do-not-rescusitate patients to relieve the distress caused by impaired breathing, from congestive heart failure for example.

    Traumatic asphyxia is caused by a powerful compressive force against the chest, like in a car accident when someone’s chest is slammed against a seat belt or steering wheel, or when Chuck Norris taps them on the sternum with one finger. The sudden impact creates a surge of pressure inside the chest cavity, which forces blood backward through the right atrium of the heart to the superior vena cava and to the veins and capillaries of the head and neck, all doing damage. Traumatic asphyxia isn’t the issue with people who die while being restrained.

    Positional asphyxia happens when someone’s position keeps them from breathing adequately, like when they’re laying face down with someone kneeling on their neck or back. Sometimes it’s called restraint asphyxia or compressive asphyxia.

    It’s been well known for a long time, at least in the healthcare professions, but I believe in law enforcement too, that restraining someone in a prone position, especially with pressure on their back or neck, even light pressure, is seriously life threatening. As long as I’ve been an RN (25 years), in every place I’ve worked as an MHP we’ve had mandatory in-house training, usually repeated about every six months, on safe restraint techniques. If you’re not up to date with that training you are not allowed to come to work until you are.

  239. @Thulean Friend

    I’m in general agreement with your assessment, but I don’t consider a home invasion that involves Floyd threatening a woman by pointing a gun at her to be ‘petty’ crime.

  240. @fnn

    That money mostly goes into bribes for acquiring their adrenochrome dispensers.

  241. @RobbieSmith

    I know my song well before I start singin’. – You do too, Robbie smith, you do too. Thanks.

  242. @Anonymous

    ” Even East Asians and South Asians with high enough IQ and sufficient emotional control to live in Western (industrial) society strongly condemn the lack of organization in such societies, and the absence of the protective social organizations (caste, a directive government/social organization) that are characteristic of their homelands.”

    Hogwash!

    I’ve lived in Thailand for going on 10 years now and can definitively tell you there is not an ounce of “organization” nor ” protective social organizations (caste, a directive government/social organization)” in this country — and even less in Burma, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. To think otherwise is just wishful-thinking.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  243. @Sokrates

    “Are you member of BLM?”
    I’ll take that as the insult it was intended to be. Id also wish you a comfortable & speedy trip to the nether regions of Hell.

    • Replies: @Sokrates
  244. @onebornfree

    “coppers do not pose for 7 minutes whilst murdering someone”
    No they don’t.
    Of course, but to the police they are never “murdering” anyone. They were merely effecting an everyday arrest, which, through no fault of their own went bad when the suspect had the bad taste to expire. Brutalizing suspects is an every day event for Police — especially for those who have been fortunate enough to receive Israeli Police training.

  245. mike99588 says:
    @Agent76

    Even with abortion, blacks outbreed whites AND white+latin immigration for the last century to still maintain their “population share” in a growing population.

    Not enough abortions to stop poverty. Maybe some prospective baby mommas return the deposit when Mr Shiftless quits paying days after conception, long before its even born. She needs a longer paying customer, really a staying Dad, and probably a better genetic choice, if she can’t make the chaste choice.

  246. Arcturus says:
    @Mark Hunter

    Yes, this is important. The idea that Floyd was “awfully drunk” is not supported by the other evidence, but all that evidence does point to drug intoxication and subsequent excited delirium.

    Question: One commenter said Floyd did not appear to be suffering from opioid OD on the tape, presumably because he was not nodding off. But would an OD always look the same?

  247. Pegasus says:

    Whoever wrote this tedious essay has no idea of what he is talking about, and worse yet, has not bothered to check what an opioid overdose looks like from a medical point of view.

    Classic Alt right moronic “let’s write something diametrically opposed to what those evil liberals moan about” i.e. no nuance, no trying to understand the opponents arguments, the conservative equivalent to the same irrational and poor researched SJWs drivel.

    That George Floyd had the equivalent of three times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his blood is irrelevant, because there is this thing in pharmacology called tolerance. The more routinely you use some drugs, the more the body gets used to higher and higher doses. Some addicts can consume at once quantities which one could be able to kill a few “naive” (never used before) users with, but at the same time you could barely tell they are high on something.

    No one can walk, talk or even breathe with an opioid overdose. That is the damned point of calling an ambulance when someone ODed. People lay on the floor and stop breathing. Their faces get blue from hypoxia, like a hanging victim. The dude was talking straight, breathing and walking. Video evidence of this is all over the internet.

    This whole piece is pure nonsense. Unless we are going to discusss here that, because he was an addict, he deserved to be jumped on by a police thug and be held on the floor with a knee on the neck. I am not even considering that because I am not a brute. But to each his own.

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  248. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @ICANREAD

    Oh I am so sorry, I forgot random low IQ pavement apes were nearby giving their obviously well informed medical opinions! That changes everything. Obviously they should have stopped doing their jobs and a let big felon in excited delirium get up and go nuts.

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  249. Anonomous says:
    @RobbieSmith

    OK, your facts are conclusive: Western civilization is indeed at risk.

    I would add that the situation is somewhat worse in that industrialization could be lost also. All societies except Western Europe have chosen stability over what Westerners used to call “progress”. The people from these societies still make that choice. Capital flow is diverted from industry to immediate consumption (buying the next election, for example). Eventually, industry becomes unproductive as it depreciates and its labor force becomes less productive. That’s the proximate cause of the USSR’s failure. If the West goes, then industrialization will be abandoned within a century, and humanity will be back to human and animal labor economies again. Among other things, human population will be reduced to about AD 1700 levels.

    Neither you nor I, however, have any idea of what to do about this situation. The European dream of a unified and peaceful world has been rejected by all POC and by all non-European Whites. My estimate is that it will require a minimum of 3 decades and severe conflict to reach a new stability. The form of this new stability has been unpredictable, and Historicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicism) says that this unpredictability is inescapable.

    Therefore, nobody will arrive anytime soon to resolve this situation. It will “resolve” itself, and the resolution process will be unsafe for everybody. The recent historically aberrant behavior of the Democrats is not a fluke, it is a prelude to even more aberrant attempts at direct action.

    Further, urban society is over. Cities lost their natural monopolies on shipping and manufacturing 70 years or so ago, and are now losing their political dominance. We’re even getting snarky propaganda about small towns (https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-newly-remote-workers-small-town-u-s-a-will-lose-its-allure-soon-enough-11592559006). Small towns were beneath the _WSJ_’s notice up until this year, now the article sounds like somebody talking about their ex-spouse. If things go well, the urban organization will be replaced by a distributed organization. If they don’t, then small market sizes will make mass production impossible. Mass produced devices cost about 1/100 times the equivalent small batch production, and inability to meet cost of living will reduce population significantly

    Finally, watch out for biowarfare agents — genetic manipulation is very new, nobody quite knows consequences.

    And that’s it. Good luck.

    • Replies: @Miville
  250. JackOH says:
    @Biff

    Biff, about twenty years ago a local politician suggested during his campaign that a UN peacekeeping contingent be dispatched to my area to cope with a murder rate that was about 60/100,000. (Drugs, corrupt prosecutor, etc.) He was just making a point, and never followed up.

    I’ve written about the old-timers who foolishly believed they could stay in the neighborhood (where I grew up) where they’d lived so many years. One suffered arson for failing to properly respect the gangs that controlled the street. Others remained shut-ins after dark out of fear for their safety.

    Maybe some honest intellectual can come up with a Third World Index and see how America’s cities rate for lawlessness, corruption, net emigration of educated citizens, and other social markers.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  251. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    A straight opiate overdose does not produce the behavior exemplified by Saint George. Speedballing and drug cocktailing??- well that’s another matter. See, you aren’t qualified to even put a band aid on your bastard son’s scraped knee. Go decorate your Chrysler 300 with BLM bullshit.

  252. I suspected a Medical Emergency when the story first broke, the young officer asking about excited delirium, and the nonchalant pinning of Floyd to the pavement suggesting a common response to out of control overdosing drug addicts. Never saw the video of how Floyd got out of the car or his struggle with the police (MSM likely edited to fit their narrative).
    Scott Adams, the Dilbert cartoonist, also suggested the same weeks ago, while waiting for Floyd’s toxicology results. He correctly diagnosed a fentanyl overdose (I suspected a stimulant), saying restraint was the only way to control someone in the throes of a fentanyl OD. Adams has much credibility in this area as his son was an addict and died of a fentanyl OD, so he had seen this out of control “animal” behavior up close and personal.
    There is no way these police officers will receive a fair trial. We are in a post-truth, evidence-free period of human history, and these officers will be sacrificed on the alter of PC assuaging of BLM for daring to do their jobs. Maybe medical personnel should be in every police group? The hospitals seem to be firing many health workers since they cannot gouge the public for health care during the pandemic, maybe this would be a useful career change?

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  253. @JackOH

    Maybe some honest intellectual can come up with a Third World Index and see how America’s cities rate for lawlessness

    With the exception of Latin America, Africa and countries in the midst of civil war, most Third World countries aren’t too bad from a homicide standpoint. The secret is probably the swift application of the death penalty and occasional applications of the ancient resort of lynching for incorrigibles. Jeff Stryker, a prolific commenter on Unz, and a native of Detroit, has spent a decade or so in Asia and commented on how much less hazardous walking around even in the small hours around slum areas is over there compared to stateside. The numbers seem to back him up.

    https://www.efe.com/efe/english/portada/un-study-asia-s-homicide-rate-is-lowest-in-the-world/50000260-4018071

    The Philippines is a relative charnel house for the continent, yet has a national homicide rate of only 8.4 per 100K, high relative to the US’s 5, but nothing like Mexico’s official 23, which is likely way understated because of tens of thousands of missing people buried either alone or in mass graves who aren’t counted in the statistics.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-missing-people-mass-graves-drug-cartels

    There’s also the question of whether these missing people are counted in prior year statistics as they are located in landfills and other burial spots. And how many people were never reported missing because no one expected the notoriously corrupt and gang-infiltrated police to look in to disappearances, as well as because entire clans were slaughtered, so there was one left to alert the authorities.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @trickster
  254. CBTerry says:
    @Emily

    I would be interested in hearing from anybody, besides myself, who has administered naloxone. The people I administered it to were lying down obtunded and had decreased respirations. It works quickly and within a few seconds you have a totally obnoxious human being yelling at you.

    I haven’t bothered watching the video (I am too impatient and uninterested) but there is nothing in the descriptions I have browsed of Floyd’s behavior that would make me suspect that he needed Narcan.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  255. “And I am sure tat Mr./Pastor Koresh was white as were most the members of his congregation as were the families involved at Ruby ridge.”

    1. I am unclear how anything you said is pertinent to my comment. Which is my understanding why deaths of Mr. Floyd is not mere tribalism and why even if tribalism is in play that tribalism tells a story of how we as a country have socialized based on skin color.

    2. I indicated that two instances of many that I found troubling concerning the death of citizens who were white are troubling, in rebuttal to ten suggestion that I only cared about black/african american citizens.

    • Replies: @fnn
  256. Biff says:
    @Psych RN

    You’ll never get anywhere with the idiots on this thread, and I fully expect the idiots to go one up, and blame Breonna Taylor for her own death too.

    She was in a threatening sleeping posture when the cops came in!”

  257. JackOH says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Johann, I take your points, but excepting the nearly two billion people and numerous countries of Latin America and Africa is a whole lot of excepting.

  258. SBaker says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Most people with a bit of education in ER have known this since the report came out. The media convicted the officers on day1 to instigate the riots. The media is culpable for billions in property destruction.

  259. SBaker says:
    @CBTerry

    I have used both fentanyl and Narcan in horses and dogs for various surgical procedures and you are right, Narcan reversal works very quickly. Most people here don’t believe in evidence-based science, but do believe in every conceivable superstitious conspiracy.

  260. Sokrates says:
    @animalogic

    Is it an insult to ask someone if she is a member of the BLM* movement?

    If YES, be aware of ADL, AIPAC, SLC, AJC, ZOA, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc.
    They gonna come after you, like they did to Mrs Rolfe, the stepmother of the Atlanta cop, who was fired from her work from a “company” named …..Equity Prime Mortgage (guess who owns this usury company).
    So stay well dudette

    * Black Like Methamphetamine

    Socrates the philosopher

  261. “The media is culpable for billions in property destruction.”

    Even with the considerable media malfeasance involved, civilized races are capable of controlling their emotions; Blacks are not.

    More Whites are killed by cops every year than Blacks, but they don’t riot. That other tragic case in Minneapolis where the Somali cop killed that female Australian tourist didn’t result in Whites rioting. It’s laughable, for example, to imagine Japanese rioting and looting.

    Why is this? It’s because Blacks are low-IQ animals and incompatible with civilization.

    • Replies: @trickster
  262. Jack57 says:

    Go to h*ll monster. And take your israelopithicus talmudii occupation tactics with you.

  263. fnn says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You’re not that important as far as I know. What’s important is the current Jewish “color revolution”mass crackdown on the white Goyim, which should be seen in the context of earlier similar events of smaller scale.

  264. trickster says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Its a personality trait and a pattern of behaviour. Wherever they are anywhere in the world that is their modus operandi.

    Then, after the hood is reduced to ashes, including black owned businesses, they are startled at the fact:
    – that hundreds of black jobs are lost where they live
    -they now have to commute an hour to buy a loaf of bread
    -whites, koreans, chinese and their own blacks hate them even more
    -no one wants to come back to their area and reinvest
    -the general public is even more reluctant to hire a black man no matter how well qualified
    -they are worse off then before

    Just what goes on in these people’s minds, if anything, is, was and will always be a mystery to every other race on planet earth and if life in found on other planets to the people there as well.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @RobbieSmith
  265. Gordo says:
    @Zarathustra

    3 problems in US

    1 Blacks can newer be civilized.
    2 Blacks will never trust white people.
    3 Whatever whites will do. Blacks will never be satisfied until they will have all and permanent administrative power.

    4 Anywhere they do hold administrative power turns into Liberia

  266. trickster says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Jeff has spent a lot of time in Asia. I have spent a lot of time in LAtin America.

    In eastern Venezuela for example raping and assaulting a woman is an automatic death penalty at the hands of citizens

    In the slums of Rio, the drug lords keep order in their area. Because these are built on the hillside the streets are narrow and winding and pitch black at night. Yet, though supposedly “crime ridden” there is a low crime rate as perpetrators are shot out of hand. There are no juvenile courts, holding areas or rules here. It is safer than in Copacabana where there is generally a heavy police presence.

    In the more rural areas where there is little or no police presence local citizens will fuck you up for good. There are a lot of wayward boys buried in the jungle and savannahs of Latin America. Some are found by hunters or prospectors. Many are never found or are found in different places.

    In my opinion it is getting to the point where law abiding citizens in the US are going to have to take control and use a heavy hand with the lawless. Until this happens these characters do as they please becuase they think they can get away with it or escape witout dire consequences.

  267. Trinity says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    (((coronavirus)))
    (((police brutality))))
    (((Trump rally on Juneteenth)))

    Republicants and Trump being neutered the whole time during this chaos. No one in power making an effort to stop any of this while people are murdered, millions upon millions of property damage, watching traditional American history being toppled. Welcome to Bolshevik style America.

  268. @Voltara

    “They’ll get a fair trial and be found not guilty”

    A fair trial would be a miracle — maybe if it’s postponed for a year or so while passions cool, if they are ever allowed to cool. Excellent legal representation would likely result in acquittals, or at least mistrials. But the “powers that be” will continue to push the rush to judgement to get a politically correct, James Fields type result.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  269. trickster says:
    @Hedd Mcnekk

    Before he does so Wanky Wag needs to set the tone and stage for his data dump. He can start by sending the names of blacks killed by other blacks. Short installments of 2000 would be sufficient

  270. @Arcturus

    Recognizing EXD as a real condition and decriminalizing drugs are the two concrete steps that could do the most to improve police-community conditions.

    Drugs have been decriminalized in Seattle and SF. All it did was increase the amount of addicts. Have a look at the Seattle riots for a view of their police-community conditions.

    Libertarians have been wrong about decriminalizing drugs just as they have been wrong about open borders.

    But what can we expect from a group of people that worship a woman who admired a child killer.
    https://www.alternet.org/2015/01/how-ayn-rand-became-big-admirer-serial-killer/

    They principal issue in America is race and not drugs.

    Plying Blacks with more drugs will not improve the situation.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
    , @Arcturus
  271. @trickster

    Its a personality trait and a pattern of behaviour. Wherever they are anywhere in the world that is their modus operandi.

    Then, after the hood is reduced to ashes, including black owned businesses, they are startled at the fact:
    – that hundreds of black jobs are lost where they live

    When they burned down the Jewish district in the Detroit riots they chased out Jews that were trying to help them. That aspect of the Detroit riots is of course never mentioned in the media.

    The same thing will happen in Minnesota.

    It’s mostly White liberals that own small downtown businesses and employ Blacks.

    Many of those liberals will move to midwest rural areas and decide that being an active liberal isn’t worth the bother.

    Blacks burn down their own neighborhoods and chase out the people trying to help them. Sad but true.

  272. @Joseph Doaks

    A fair trial would be a miracle — maybe if it’s postponed for a year or so while passions cool, if they are ever allowed to cool.

    This is correct.

    It is highly unlikely they will get a fair trial. Odds are the jury will be mostly made of weak Whites that are afraid of angering Blacks which of course could lead to more riots and another standoff with the pathetic leftist leadership of Minneapolis.

    The arresting officer will most likely be sacrificed to the crowds.

  273. JimDandy says:
    @JimDandy

    Your beloved Saint is still dead, Agent. And there will be no second coming. He’s dead, because he was an idiot. If black live really matter, BLM should rebrand as Floyd Was A Moron.

  274. @haha

    “This was a tragedy which never should have happened.”

    Thomas Hardy: “The best tragedy… is that of the worthy encompassed by the inevitable. The tragedies of immoral and worthless people are not of the best.”

  275. @Arcturus

    Didn’t Baden’s autopsy claim that Floyd’s hyoid bone had been crushed and that showed strangulation was the cause of death (as with Epstein)?

    The original autopsy was definite in saying that the hyoid bone was undamaged and there was no evidence of strangulation.

    A blogger named “Law Officer”, in an obviously biased, satirical piece online, has provocatively suggested that Baden’s “autopsy” was based on little more than analysis of the infamous video.

    • Replies: @Arcturus
  276. @trickster

    “Then, after the hood is reduced to ashes, including black owned businesses, they are startled at the fact…”

    They are also demanding removal of Black logos and brands such as Aunt Jemimiah, Uncle Ben, and Cream of Wheat.

    Next they’ll complain at the lack of Black figures representing mainstream products.

  277. @John Johnson

    “The principal issue in America is race and not drugs.”

    DNA is destiny.

    Whites create; Asians copy; Blacks destroy.

    Google: National IQs

    Notice a pattern?

    There’s a reason Blacks never civilized (and it’s not because of Whites). In fact, everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites. Sub-Saharan Africans never made a single contribution to the world.

  278. NoNwoNow says:
    @ICANREAD

    You say the 5-figure cost of treatment for each rescue of a repeat overdoser is not relevant.
    If you can say that, then you must be the one paying for it.
    Don’t honest working people have a better right to medical care?
    Why do you love destructive people, and hate the constructive ones your life depends on?

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  279. @animalogic

    Every minute that passes the likelihood of overdose decreases. Overdoses don’t hide in your system for 20 minutes (excluding digestion or assimilation) & then jump out & shut down your heart.

    Can you tell us where you earned your MD or PhD specializing in metabolism?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  280. @SOL

    I agree, except there is one niggling thing that bothers me, which puts some doubt in my mind.

    the weight of their backpack also contributed to the fall. But they die from the fall once they hit the ground, whether it’s at 120 mph or 122 mph.

    It’s true, that in this analogy, the extra weight makes the jumper hit the ground a little sooner

    It doesn’t. Objects falling in gravity fall at the same speed. The extra weight makes the body hit the ground with more force. The object lesson from my physics class 55+ years ago was that a mouse and a horse dropped down a mine shaft at the same time, hit the bottom at the same time. The mouse will bounce, the horse will splash.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  281. Arcturus says:
    @John Johnson

    There are far worse horrors from the corruption surrounding criminalization than there are from an “increase in the amount of addicts”. But the first problem with drug laws is that they make criminals out of the majority of citizens, setting up an adversarial relationship with law enforcement.

    • Agree: Biff
  282. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobbieSmith

    I was a bit slow there. This is a more pertinent reply:

    1) The problem is not the Blacks per se.
    2) The problem is that both judicial and legislative and pre-Trump Executive Branch interpretation of the c.a. 1964 Civil Rights legislation was as follow:
    In any dispute between a European descended person and a non-European descended person (which includes POC), the case is to be decided against the European descended person.

    [MORE]

    How could this happen?
    Well, for the genesis of this kind of legislating/government, see Lowi, _The End of Liberalism_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Liberalism. The precis is that society became too complex for the Congress (here meaning: Senate and the House of Representatives) and so specialist organizations were founded and given legislative authority. The first such was the ICC, founded once Congress found out that it was unable to control or even intelligently supervise the trans-continental railroads. Congress gave ICC the power of simply pass regulations that have the “force of Law”, gave the ICC a very general mission, and held “oversight” hearings of ICC’s actions, although Congress founded ICC because they were unable to supervise railroads, much less supervise the supervisors of railroads. As time passed, Congress gave increasingly vague directions to organizations such as the EPA, and the organizations became increasing obscurantist during supervisory hearings. Congress was not happy, but nonetheless continued the system of founding independent supervisory organizations.
    Appointing supervisory agencies worked well at first for Congress, and many more such agencies were founded (see the book for this phase). For an example familiar to most people, remember Pelosi’s comments about POTUS Obama’s health care legislation: “We will have to pass this legislation to see what’s in it”. Pelosi was right — the legislation founded yet another supervisory organization with a vague mission and extensive powers. The only way to determine the effect of such legislation — how it would be interpreted — was to pass it and observe the effects.

    The Civil Rights legislation also founded an organization with a vague mission and de facto legislative powers. The American public was told that Civil Rights legislation was of temporary effect, to continue until Blacks were even with European descended Whites, then dropped. The people who comprised the agency and the Judicial Branch of the Federal Government treated the Civil Rights Act quite differently: as permanently replacing the US Constitution by the rule of thumb that
    ‘In any dispute between a European descended person and a Black, the case is to be decided against the European descended person’ if a legal pretext to do so can be found.

    The Bake case was later used to extend the above rule to the present rule of thumb:

    In any dispute between a European descended person and a non-European descended person (which includes POC), the case is to be decided against the European descended person.

    While, as your data shows, the Blacks have and cause extremely severe problems, an even more serious problem is the rule blockquoted above. The 1964 Civil Rights Act has been used to make the Federal Government racist against anti-European descended White.
    That is the most serious problem faced today by the European descended people, even more important than the misbehavior and internal problems of various POC and non-European descended Whites. Even if the Blacks were high IQ law abiding (as are most East Asians), they would have to be Saints to resist the obvious temptations of the Civil Rights laws as they currently stand. Blacks are not Saints, neither are any of the POC or the non-European descended Whites, and all are quite busy looting the European descended Whites.

    We’ve reached the point of “nothing left to steal”, not even indirectly by the Federal Reserve, and there will be a change, as there was in the USSR. That much is as certain (but no more so) than the rising of tomorrows sun.

    Source for above remarks concerning civil rights law: Christopher Caldwell, _The Age of Entitlement: America Since the Sixties_, 2020/01/21. Consider the Supreme Court’s decision on DACA earlier this week (2020/06). That decision was justified solely under the rule blockquoted above.

    What to do about it? Watch it fall (“Winter comes, and the cities fall of themselves”), defend against refugees, build something better if you can.

  283. Arcturus says:
    @englishmike

    I thought there had been an immediate announcement by Baden saying that he had found evidence of strangulation including a broken hyoid bone, and that he had schooled the local rubes who then changed their report to agree. But now all I see is that Baden’s “written report” has been withheld pending collection of further information …

  284. Let us swap prarmilitary police units for Orc Arrest Units, highly trained yet highly restrained men who can manage the superhuman act of arresting Orc subjects without major incident, with their own designated locations, firepole, and heliport for quick response. Orc lives matter.

  285. Thomasina says:

    John-Paul Leonard – you are to be commended for this excellent investigative article. Great writing. Well done! Thank you.

  286. Kati says:

    Even here the commentors assume Chauvin is a real cop, his neighbors did not even know of; he was just an actor with security knowledge to kick this off.

    He played into the hands of antifa/BLM who continued and ignited the events, planned.
    But sure we will never see justice, no court will ever look at those drug dosage levels of Floyd.

    Its just sad, even here in europe the majority is full into the narrative and kneels to BLM, BLM everywhere.

    Every event currently lists BLM support directly on the front page, as example i switched into the EA online games stream presentation on twitch, BLM was upfront and all NGO you can or should donate to, when i saw the ADL i closed the tab. Manipulating and brainwashing even the kids/youth/young adults on every site/stream with this.

  287. @haha

    Ever heard of the Ashanti kingdom?

    Yes. They were the brave warriors who would capture the slaves to sell to the captains of our slave ships. White men could not capture the slaves themselves because that would require too much expense sending so many soldiers and white men couldn’t survive in Africa because they are succeptable to the local diseases.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  288. @journey80

    The family should be the controlling authority? I don’t think so.

  289. @ICANREAD

    Optimist vs pessimist I guess.

    If 95% survive, then 5% die. If there is a 5% chance to die is that a fatal dose? If the police arrest 1,000 druggies with that much in their system, then 50 will die in custody, probably after their psychotic antics require their restraint.

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  290. fnn says:

    Too bad stomps/kicks to the head are banned by the State Athletic Commission:

    Watch to the end. Judge for yourself. pic.twitter.com/E8Do6BYimp— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) June 17, 2020

  291. @Hippopotamusdrome

    “They were the brave warriors who would capture the slaves to sell to the captains of our slave ships.”

    The point is, they were not a civilization. Sub-Saharan Africans never civilization and never made a contribution to the world.

    “European contact with the Asante on the Gulf of Guinea coast region of Africa began in the 15th century. This led to trade in gold, ivory, slaves, and other goods with the Portuguese, which gave rise to kingdoms such as the Ashanti.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_Empire

    So you can see, this “kingdom” didn’t begin until 200 years after Europeans established colonies there.

    Whites created every country for Blacks, but now have to provide food, medical, financial, and engineering aid to every one. Blacks cannot survive without White charity.

    No pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.

  292. @ICANREAD

    17/18 lived

    I read it.

    Five patients underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation, one required extracorporeal life support, three required intubation, and two received bag-valve-mask ventilation.

    He was given infusions of nore-pinephrine, vasopressin, and epinephrine, and venove-nous extracorporeal life support was administered. During the next 48 hours, ventilatory and hemodynamic support was decreased and then discon-tinued. … The patient was extubated on hospital day 7 and transferred out of the intensive care unit. On day 14, he was discharged. … He admitted to taking 1½ pills, which he had purchased on the street

    See…It’s totally not fatal if someone drags your lifeless body to a hospital in time and your heart stops and they do cpr and it works and they give you an IV with a hormone cocktail and they put you in a ventilator because you can’t breathe on your own, and some high-tech thingy to help your heart pump, and after two weeks in intensive care, you’re right as rain. Just don’t OD in your house alone without a non-druggie buddy around to drive you to the hospital.

    Maybe if Floyd went to the hospital instead of the Kwik-e-mart to buy cigaretts he wouldn’t have died from the Coronovirus pandemic.

  293. “You’re not that important as far as I know. What’s important is the current Jewish “color revolution”mass crackdown on the white Goyim, which should be seen in the context of earlier similar events of smaller scale.’

    Again totally unresponsive.

    Laugh. My importance or lack thereof is wholly irrelevant to the discussion. Not even has an idea what you are on about – the position doesn’t need anyone of importance to explain it.

    1. Are more backs subject to police excessive force tan whites. I think the evidence says that is the case. That is the case even if one looks through a lens of some manner of tribal loyalty.

    2. Am I more concerned that with a particular tribe — I am the tribe of US citizens. Acknowledging a simple truth that blacks face some higher hurdle — doesn’t change that.

    3. Your advance that what really matters if the Jewish persecution of whites is a new subject to wit my response is:

    Most jews are white and have operated to the benefit o whites such as themselves more than any other gorp of color. If Hews operate more on behalf of Israel to the detriment of the US then then that is the fault of the US leadership who have been and remain predominantly white. And there have been jews who have been helpful on defining the issues regarding discrimination against black in the US. And blacks have profited from the same because with whites making the case, they could have access denied to the blacks.

    That is in my view a smart choice by blacks strategically whether the whites were jews or not.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @John-Paul Leonard
  294. “No pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.”

    And then of course there’s irrelevance and there is irrelevance that is stunningly incorrect.

    https://www.history.com/news/7-influential-african-empires

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/before-columbus-how-africans-brought-civilization-to-america/5407584

    https://listverse.com/2016/07/15/10-african-civilizations-more-amazing-than-ancient-egypt/

    The reason so many whites are turning their backs on rhetoric such as this is that there are two many alternative sources by which they can acquire counter narratives that completely contradict the insensate material in the quotation marks above. If you no longer control the narrative– as is the case for whites, then you no longer hold the reigns of historical truth. And if the narratives used to build sane social construction are proven demonstrably false — you my lose credibility.

    Written language most likely started in Africa and should that not be entirely accurate, there certainly were african languages that shaped human history.

    https://www.africaontheblog.org/african-holds-worlds-ancient-written-languages/

    https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/08/08/11-ancient-african-writing-systems-demolish-myth-black-people-illiterate/

    • Disagree: RobbieSmith
  295. @EliteCommInc.

    Excuse me for not minding my own conversation (business) – my mistake.

  296. fnn says:

    He’s referring (mainly) to Jews:

    America is increasingly dominated by people who find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.https://t.co/iXUPXEhgwF pic.twitter.com/4ujkWLQGaP— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 20, 2020

  297. FPD72 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    If the mouse and horse are dropped on the moon, you are absolutely right. It’s a little trickier on earth, where air resistance must be taken into account. Don’t believe me? Wad up a piece of paper and drop it at the same moment as a flat piece. They won’t hit the floor at the same time.

    If the parachute is strapped to the back and doesn’t create any additional air resistance (but increases the man’s density) the increased mass would increase the mass to drag ratio, thus increasing the man’s terminal velocity.

    My first semester (Newtonian) physics class was 51 years ago but we were taught that the simple formulas for determining the velocity of a falling object over time or distance fallen were accurate for a vacuum, not so much in air. If you have to consider drag (not to mention the earth’s rotation and decreasing values of g the higher above earth an object is dropped) the formulas become much more complex.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  298. It’s cringy when people say fentanyl did him in. I give it every day, that didn’t kill him.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  299. JimDandy says:
    @Stateisevil

    OMG, exactly! It is soooo cringy? Ew. Like, no. Just no. That is not ok. People who don’t regularly swallow all their fentanyl and take meth and a cocktail of other drugs all at the same time because they aren’t oppressed people of color like St. Floyd don’t get to tell black men how to live their lives. K? That’s just, like, creepy? Right? He could barely get out of his car before collapsing to the pavement because he was having a panic attack! Like, duh. He started saying he couldn’t breathe before the cop put his knee on him because he was sensitive and that kind of treatment hurt his soul. Gawd! Stupid white people.

  300. @Ficino

    “There’s no such thing as a heart attack induced by covid-19.”

    No, actually, the truth is that there is no such thing as COVID19.

  301. @Psych RN

    Pressure on the back could compress the lungs. That is one reason why pinning the neck might be preferable to pinning the back. In the Tony Timpa case (part 2 of this essay) they pinned his back. One commenter here noted that Chauvin shifted the position of his knee away from the throat when Floyd complained about breathing.
    Do you have a reference confirming that light pressure on the neck (or back) in a prone position is life-threatening?

    • Troll: Biff, FB
  302. fnn says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You have your own personal definitions for things that are important to you that bear little relation to what is going on in the world outside your head. That’s probably why few bother to respond to what you post.

  303. @EliteCommInc.

    “And then of course there’s irrelevance and there is irrelevance that is stunningly incorrect. Written language most likely started in Africa and should that not be entirely accurate, there certainly were african languages that shaped human history.”

    The first written language is European (Vinca). The ancient Egyptians were (and are) Whites.

    Sub-Saharan Africans never created a written language. Or anything else.

    So, name a single contribution from sub-Saharan Africans to the world.

    Name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks.

    BTW, “Africaontheblog” and “Atlantablackstar” are laughably ridiculous sources.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  304. @Pegasus

    FYI, I put a great deal of time and effort into researching and writing this essay. You call it moronic. Seems to me that falling back on a label like that is rather moronic itself. I doubt you read it through.
    Floyd was not the only chronic drug abuser in the population. The data on previous fatalities will also include individuals with drug tolerance. It would seem that drug addicts can build up tolerance to a normal dose, but it would be hard to get used to a 3X lethal dose, because it is likely to kill the user first.
    Also EXD usually occurs suddenly after long term drug abuse. The heart conditions Floyd suffered from also can be caused by chronic abuse. Addicts depend on tolerance to get them through, but at some point their luck or their stamina can run out.
    You say “No one can walk, talk or even breathe with an opioid overdose. ” Then why do EXD victims erupt with so much energy that it sometimes requires 7 police officers to restrain them?
    There are classic symptoms of fentanyl overdose which are depressive, while the EXD symptoms are almost the very opposite (for a brief spell).

    Fentanyl Overdose Symptoms
    Many symptoms on the official list resemble those of a depressant:
    “Low blood pressure, Drowsiness, Dizziness, Nausea and vomiting, Limp body, Pinpoint pupils, Cold and clammy skin, Blue lips and fingernails (cyanosis), Slowed or stopped breathing, Decreased heart rate, Reduced or loss of consciousness, Coma.” https://americanaddictioncenters.org/fentanyl-treatment/symptoms-associated-with-a-fentanyl-overdose
    There would likely be little or no need to restrain a person with this set of symptoms.

    However, when they surveyed people who had an overdose or had seen one, the most common responses were:
    Lips immediately turning blue (20%) (the only one of these five that is also on the official list)
    Gurgling sounds with breathing (16%)
    Stiffening of the body or seizure-like activity (13%) (in contrast to limp body on official list)
    Foaming at the mouth (6%)
    Confusion or strange behavior before the person becomes unresponsive (6%)
    https://www.livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html

    The last symptom is similar to excited delirium. Regarding the third one, it was reported that stiffening of Floyd’s body was what made it impossible to get him into the squad car. “Seizure-like activity” could also resemble EXD.

    How much time to live with a fentanyl overdose? “Fentanyl offers a particularly potent high but also can shut down breathing in under a minute.”
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/21/704557684/fentanyl-linked-deaths-the-u-s-opioid-epidemics-third-wave-begins
    The time it takes could also depend on whether it’s ingested or injected, how high is the overdose, how much tolerance the subject has. Many factors. Most effects vary depending on the body’s defenses.
    Some have speculated that Floyd was a dealer and might have died from swallowing a packet of drugs to hide it from the police.
    See also comment 256 by Michael888 about an addict going out of control from an overdose of fentanyl.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Troll: Biff
  305. @Juckett

    “Balkanize the failed multi-cultural experiment.”
    You need to go to salesmanship school. Much better: the races need to separate so that each can pursue its own interests and destiny while living in everlasting peace and prosperity.

    • Replies: @JUCKETT
    , @JackOH
  306. “You have your own personal definitions for things that are important to you that bear little relation to what is going on in the world outside your head. That’s probably why few bother to respond to what you post.”

    If you care to note what personal definition is in play by myself — feel free to do so.

    As you say, I m not important enough.

    However, that doesn’t address the original discussion anymore than your previous comments.

  307. “BTW, “Africaontheblog” and “Atlantablackstar” are laughably ridiculous sources.”

    I think there is room to challenge a source. But that challenge has to include something more than an ad hominem. This is not a new discussion. The information cited is not new. I further think the information speaks for themselves as to the stated contributions and will allow the matter to rest on the same.

    But just out of politeness:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/media/kingdoms-kush/

    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Kingdom_of_Kush

    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Aksumite_Empire

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Aksum-ancient-kingdom-Africa

    You can trench through the rest yourself. But I am confident my responses rest on sure footing.

    Empires come and go. I have no doubt there are empires yet unknown on the continent of Africa as ell as elsewhere on the planet.

  308. “You can trench through the rest yourself. But I am confident my responses rest on sure footing. Empires come and go. I have no doubt there are empires yet unknown on the continent of Africa as ell as elsewhere on the planet.”

    So, you posted URLs characterizing those populations as “kingdoms” and “empires” but you avoided the question. What exactly qualifies those as civilizations?

    Again, Blacks never even created a written language or invented the wheel. Name a single contribution sub-Saharan Africans made to the world.

    The fact is, no pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.

    Blacks were still living in the Stone Age when Whites discovered them just 400 years ago.

  309. vot tak says:
    @RobbieSmith

    While it is sad for the robbies of this world, human beings have moved on from their zio-faggotry.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  310. I get the feeling that this evidence will not matter.

  311. FemCrim says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Any white supremacist I know wouldn’t even be in a house a black person had used the bathroom in. I find it hard to believe they would have been married to anyone other than white. Maybe racists are different?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  312. @vot tak

    “While it is sad for the robbies of this world, human beings have moved on from their zio-faggotry.”

    OK, cool.

    What is “zio-faggotry”?

  313. NoNwoNow says:

    https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/
    More than 1,500 buildings across the Twin Cities have been vandalized, looted or had doors and windows smashed. Some have been reduced to rubble, and dozens have been destroyed completely by fire. Others have reported extensive water damage or severe fire damage.

  314. JimDandy says:
    @FemCrim

    There is zero evidence that the cop is racist. At least as far as I’m aware of. It’s so juvenile. I look into these high-profile cases of supposed white racist cops wronging black people, and there’s rarely any evidence that the police are racist. The Sandra Bland case enraged me, and I’m glad the white cop was fired. But as I recall, the white cop was backed up by a black female cop in that case.

    A couple months ago, in Chicago, a couple of black cops harassed a white guy, tried to arrest him, and ended up shooting him in the back. They struck me as absolutely inept idiots who should be fired, but there’s no evidence that they hate white people. Should whites start rioting and looting?

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/chicago-cops-shoot-unarmed-man-during-subway-confrontation/

  315. “So, you posted URLs characterizing those populations as “kingdoms” and “empires” but you avoided the question. What exactly qualifies those as civilizations?”

    Uhhh. No. You are just unaccustomed not being answered as you would like. like I said my fault for not minding you own conversation.

    Here’s your original response.

    “The first written language is European (Vinca). The ancient Egyptians were (and are) Whites.

    Sub-Saharan Africans never created a written language. Or anything else.

    So, name a single contribution from sub-Saharan Africans to the world.

    Name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks.”

    There’s not a singe inquisitive here about the definition of a civilization. That is a an add on you are posing as something posited but did not. Your attempt t mislead here as if I am avoiding an issue that was not presented as an issue is fairly clear. And as I indicated — I will allow the referenced material o speak for itself.

    1. we disagree on when the first language was written, nothing new their archaeologists also disagree.

    2. subsaharan written language
    https://www.newsweek.com/sub-saharan-african-empires-nubia-meroitic-napata-kush-kingdom-883813

    I would only repeat what is in the reference. Not going to do so.

    3. I will allow the articles o speak for themselves.

    4. You are a walking a peculiar path here. I will keep it simple. The entire model for oral history upon which written history is based comes from Africa but here’s more to add to you reading list.

    https://www.ancient.eu/Kingdom_of_Axum/

    It’s hard to respond to someone who apparently doesn’t know what a civilization and then demands examples of their contribution to civilization, despite being provided more than enough references to gains said information.

    Laughing. Human civilization got it start in Africa. So ts a safe bet that gave humanity the pot.

    Laugh. You are very humorous.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  316. anonimo11 says:

    I am sympathetic to the writings here, but no mention of tachyphylaxis in the entire article? I spoke to a friend doctor, living in Europe, and that was the first thing she mentioned. and she, too, is sympathetic.

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  317. Uncle Sam says:

    Unless the Minnesota Attorney General Ellison who is going to prosecute this case has some new and material evidence, of which the public is not aware, he is going to fall flat on his face in his presentation before the court.

  318. @Redman

    Redman wrote,

    What exactly did happen to the white substance that clearly fell out of his left pocket while against the wall?

    Does anyone have a link to that video?

  319. @EliteCommInc.

    “2. subsaharan written language”

    From the source- “Some of the most significant findings include tablets and tombs written in Meroitic, the earliest-known written language of sub-Saharan Africans…”

    [MORE]

    Meroitic (Ancient Nubian) is Greek-based. Meroitic used Egyptian hieroglyphics from the Whites who first settled that region as the New Kingdom of Egypt, and later a Greek-based cursive alphabet. This was not a sub-Saharan culture and the Nubians were 60% White. This part of the world is precisely where one would expect racial mixing, and that’s exactly what the DNA shows.

    Re: Kingdom of Axum
    4. You are a walking a peculiar path here. I will keep it simple. The entire model for oral history upon which written history is based comes from Africa but here’s more to add to you reading list.

    Ge’ez (Amharic) comes from the Arabs (Sabaeans) in Yeman and wasn’t used in the region now known as Ethiopia (Kingdom of Axum in ancient times) until the 5th Century. Ge’ez uses 24 symbols from the Sabaic alphabet. Even the letters are cognates with Phoenician (Whites).

    Ge’ez was created solely to translate the Bible from Greek and propagate Christianity in Ethiopia. It did not have a natural evolutionary development. The earliest texts are completely ecclesiastical in nature and are translations from Greek. Ge’ez literature begins with Christianity being declared the state religion around 340 A.D. by King Ezana.

    The oldest known written script of Ge’ez is on the Hawulti obelisk dated 4th century AD. There are no manuscripts older than the 12 Century. It was first written down, codified, and with dictionary given to the people by Italian missionaries in 1925 in what was then Italian Somaliland. The Phoenicians (Whites) circumnavigated, colonized and established trading posts (goods and slaves) in Africa 2,600 years ago. And considering that they were living immediately adjacent to the Egyptians (Whites) for 2,500 years before adopting this written language, it is rather startling.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Geez-language

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_literature

    “Laughing. Human civilization got it start in Africa.”

    In fact, the first civilization is European. And, North Africans are White.

    Blacks never created a civilization.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The world’s first civilization is European.

    NYT 11/30/09: Lost European Culture Pulled From Obscurity
    (lower Danube Valley and the Balkan Foothills)

    “For 1,500 years, starting earlier than 5,000 BC they (Lost European cultures) farmed and built sizeable towns, a few with as many as 2000 dwellings. They mastered large scale copper smelting. Their graves held an impressive array of exquisite headdresses and necklaces and, in one cemetery, the earliest assemblage of gold artifacts to be found in the world.”

    Exhibition “The Lost World of Old Europe: The Danube Valley 5,000 – 3500 BC. Peaked around 4500 BC. Historians suggest that the arrival in Southeastern Europe of people from the Steppes may have contributed to the collapse of Old Europe. The story now emerging is of pioneer farmers after about 6,200 B.C. moving north into Old Europe from Greece and Macedonia bringing wheat and barley seeds and domesticated cattle and sheep.

    Old Europe is the oldest civilization ever discovered.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01arch.html

    Vinca Culture (Romania — 5,300 B.C.):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture

    The Danube Script is the world’s oldest written language by more than 1,000 years. It dates to 5,500 B.C.

    It has 231 individual signs based on a core of about thirty basic abstract root signs expressing most of the basic geometric shapes (parallel lines, Vs, and crosses). The script is made up of abstract and arbitrary signs rather than figurative or naturalistic motifs.

    http://www.prehistory.it/oldeuropeanscripti.htm

    https://neokoolt.wixsite.com/oldeurope/single-post/2015/07/27/10-Things-You-Probably-Didnt-Know-About-Neolithic-Danubian-Civilization

    https://www.scribd.com/document/138393335/The-Danube-Script-and-Other-Ancient-Writing-Systems-A-Typology-of-Distinctive-Features

  320. @Mark Hunter

    Sounds to me like he was looking for trouble and he found it.

    Suicide by cop?

    • Replies: @trickster
  321. ICANREAD says:
    @NoNwoNow

    It is not relevant to this article:
    “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?
    Fatal Fentanyl: A Forensic Analysis”

    And irrespective of this case, no, we should not in general leave people in medical distress on the street to die.

  322. ICANREAD says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Again, the people in http://uthscsa.edu/ARTT/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf had *much* higher levels in their systems. (over 5x on average).

    And yes, if the police see you are in medical distress, they are supposed to prioritize getting you proper medical attention. Cops are first responders, who are supposed to prioritize protection and preservation of life. I apologize if my pro-life sensibilities offend you.

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  323. “The world’s first civilization . . .”

    as I noted even scholars of linguistics and archaeology disagree.

    Laughing.

    But then you aren’t even sure what civilization means, so I understand why you think Africa had no civilizations, even sub-sahara.

    I stand or sit where I came in

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  324. “But then you aren’t even sure what civilization means, so I understand why you think Africa had no civilizations, even sub-sahara.”

    What does “civilization” mean?

    Name a single contribution from sub-Saharan Africans to the world.

  325. @EliteCommInc.

    “…as I noted even scholars of linguistics and archaeology disagree.”

    Disagree with what?

    I asked you to name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks. You didn’t.

    You named some “kingdoms” and “empires” but couldn’t explain what they achieved that qualified them to be considered civilizations. The fact is, sub-Saharan Africans never made a single contribution to the world. Everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

    • Replies: @trickster
  326. @Curmudgeon

    I’m a PhD of poking around.
    I wont ask you to think logically because that would upset your general attack.
    But, i will give you a nibble, just for you — There have been the odd cases when OD’s have been given narcain & their initial dose was so great that when the narcain wore off they DID OD. Not common but it can happen. So yes, a OD can occur some time after initial dosage.
    But its not typical. Time = metabolism = increasing chances of survival.
    Make up crap about PhD’s all you want.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @frontier
  327. trickster says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Come on Robbie, dont be so harsh. They invented Ebonics, you know, that language from the slums that is unique to the US and which is so sophisticated it is difficult to learn and hard to understand. A dictionary was even compiled so that whites can translate from English and back.

    I understand that once all of America has been looted and burned to the ground, BLM will be moving to make Ebonics the national language as English is a racist tongue.

    As for African kingdoms and empires I will name 2:

    -The Kingdom of Ngorogoro once ruled by Emperor Mumbo Jumbo
    -The Empire of Mdongo with King LeShawn Bubba at the helm

    These are important heritage sites in Africa comprised of a few houses made of mud and cow shit plastered over interwoven sticks.

    As for contributions to civilization does a head scarf and knobkerrie qualify ?

  328. trickster says:
    @anonymous1963

    Did he die from an overdose, an underdose, a delayed dose, the wrong combinations ? Or did he die from a cop kneeling on his neck, his head, his back ? Well everyone has the right to go on and on and speculate. However, I dont really give a shit. This was the guy who put a pistol to the belly of a pregnant woman during a home invasion. What KIND of a human being does that ? In addition this bastard had a long criminal record, left Texas to start anew but his old ways were too strong to give up. It must be true that one cannot run from oneself. What is even more astounding is how he is made into some kind of victim martyr followed by mass riots, looting, destruction and even more killing. It boggles the mind of any thinking person.

    I looked at the Rodney King documentary and although awarded millions he ended up broke, his lawyers, loving family and friends absconding with the award. In addition the fellow has 11 + altercations with the law following the trial of the cops who “beat him up”. In one instance he tried to throw his wife out of a moving car. Yet good old Rodney asserted that it is all the fault of the Police and his 11 interactions ? well the Police is to blame for all these because they still harass him. These people are all the same !

    This Felonious Floyd deserved to be put down just like any rabid animal. The Trickster has no sympathy or tears for this scum and I say good riddance to this piece of human trash

  329. JUCKETT says:
    @George F. Held

    I stand corrected my brother. Criticism accepted and learned from.
    SEPARATE FROM HATE.

    Thanks.

  330. “Disagree with what?

    I asked you to name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks. You didn’t.

    You named some “kingdoms” and “empires” but couldn’t explain what they achieved that qualified them to be considered civilizations. The fact is, sub-Saharan Africans never made a single contribution to the world. Everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.”

    you are dancing around in circles. I could repeat what I have already said on this matter. and you will attempt to make charges of avoidance regardless I the responses.

    I provided the sufficient answers with references. I have politely baby sat you through. Your response was to question the sources by merely calling names. . As a matter of consideration, i choose to kingdoms, empires, civilizations with references and you responded with others fair enough. And indicated before you decided to provide alternatives — scholars disagree.

    I pre-empted the typical retort, by relying on the data sets.

    As I indicated, you are not even sure what a civilization is, yet, I have entertained your comments and responded in kind. You question about archaeological debates or disagreements defies credulity. But again as a matter of politeness;

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00438240500412816

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/oldest-drawing-ever-south-africa-blombos-cave-art-hashtag-rock-ochre-a8534696.html

    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/archaeology/

    https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199846733/obo-9780199846733-0013.xml

    Your only response has been to make asides about my intent or my person. What anyone discussing archaeology should know is that intense archaeological research of the continent is fairly recent and in upending a good deal of what was consider truth — the fact that you seem to think the matter is settled. As this discussion alone indicates — it is not. Based on the record. I am confident that human civilization did not start in Asia, the Middle East, South America or Europe. Since few debate the origins of the human animal and the noted examples, submitted. Civilization development or start occurred before humans wandered beyond the deserts of Africa.

    Laughing.

    Next you will demanding that I disprove evolution.

    —————————-

    And to be clear, I get it. If you can rest on some peculiar now undermined or at questionable construct tat blacks in the sub saharan region did have kingdoms, empires, civilizations, in tangible and nontangible social constructs, you can then justify maltreatment based on their supposed “uncivilized” existence.

    This is an old argument that defies sense. Because even if the notions about black civiliation that have been advanced since early colonial periods were accurate. The evidence is overwhelming that blacks adapt to the civilizations into they are exposed and assimilate into as all other humans. That history alone undermines the entire assail. So when I say I am being polite, in entertaining your positions and incorrect assumptions about the nature of human development, and worse my personal disposition, that is putting it mildly.

    “What do archaeologists debate about —

    Oy veh.

    https://theconversation.com/archaeology-shows-how-ancient-african-societies-managed-pandemics-138217

  331. “I pre-empted the typical retort, by relying on the data sets.”

    Ahh, that’s what you call those links to Atlantablackstar and Africaontheblog.

    You use a lot of words to say nothing.

    Let’s try this; name a written language created by Blacks.

    I don’t need millions of URLs with no excepts from you about what I’m supposed to be looking for.

    Just provide the name of a written language you think Blacks created.

  332. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Interesting point and you may very well be correct. Vietnam, of course, protected its native population by throwing out first the Americans, then the Overseas Chinese (boat people), then the PRC. This could be construed as an absolute government protecting its population as a farmer protects his fields.
    Thailand, Burma, Laos, Cambodia I know less about. If any care to comment on these countries, please do so.
    China, of course, was until the 1940s characterized by very high levels of private society membership. It was one of the primary goals of the PRC to destroy this private society membership as it made China almost impossible to govern.
    As for Koreans, the ones I’ve known have a vague dislike for the lack of organization in the US, which they perceive as anarchy. They also have a vaguely stated but fairly strong dislike for European descended people who have lived in the US for awhile. Perhaps they are simply imitating Liberals in that.

    A better account of the reasons why POC from East (and Southeast) Asia dislike life in the US would be appreciated. Anybody want to volunteer one?

  333. @EliteCommInc.

    Regarding your comment #298 “1. Are more backs subject to police excessive force tan whites. I think the evidence says that is the case. ”
    What would be your response to comment # 128 by Wally, “It is whites who are targeted by blacks, the stats don’t lie. The Color of Crime: https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
    Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  334. @anonimo11

    Fair point. Tachyphylaxis is similar to tolerance, which I responded on in comment #309. Thank you!

  335. @John-Paul Leonard

    “Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks…”

    Correct. Or as one sheriff put it, “Blacks should be getting shot more often.”

    [MORE]

    The Myth of Systemic Police Racism:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wall-street-journal-op-ed-hold-officers-accountable-who-use-excessive-force-but-theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-racial-bias

    An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

    Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings
    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

    6 Facts From New Study Finding NO RACIAL BIAS Against Blacks In Police Shootings
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-study-no-racial-bias-police-involved-shootings-james-barrett

    Tucker Carlson Breaks Down Every Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Suspects In 2019: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/tucker-carlson-police-shootings-genocide/

    Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.1db63f3f7797

    Study Concludes White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Black Citizens: https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/23/study-white-police-officers-not-likely-shoot-black-citizens/

    Black Officers More Likely than White Officers to Shoot Suspects: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/26/study-black-officers-more-likely-than-white-officers-to-shoot-suspects/

    There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings, By Heather Mac Donald: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/

    Blacks should be shot more often, based on the number of crimes committed:
    https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-we-probably-ought

    Every year, American police officers have about 370 million contacts with civilians. Most of the time nothing happens, but 12 to 13 million times a year, the police make an arrest. How often does this lead to the death of an unarmed Black person? We know the number thanks to a detailed Washington Post database of every killing by the police. What is your guess as to the number of unarmed Blacks killed by the police every year? One hundred? Three hundred? Last year, the figure was nine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

    That number is going down, not up. In 2015, police killed 38 unarmed Blacks. In 2017, 21. What about White people? Last year, police killed 19 unarmed Whites, in addition to the 9 unarmed Blacks. We know the number of Black and White people arrested every year, so it is possible to make an interesting calculation. The chances of being unarmed, arrested, and then killed by the police are higher for Whites than for Blacks. For both races, it’s very rare: One out of 292,000 arrests for Blacks, and out of 283,000 arrests for Whites.

    Since 2015, when the Post began tracking these numbers, the police have killed about 1,000 people a year. Every year, about one quarter of them are Black. This is about twice their share of the population, which is 13 percent. Is this proof of police racism? No. The more likely explanation is that Blacks are more likely than Whites to act in violent, aggressive ways that give the police no choice but to shoot them. In 2018, the most recent year for which we have statistics, Blacks accounted for 37 percent of all arrests for violent crimes, 54 percent of all arrests for robbery, and 53 percent of arrests for murder. With so many Blacks involved in this kind of violent crime, that Blacks should account for 25 percent of the people killed by the police seem like a surprisingly low figure.

    There is another perspective on police killings of civilians. Every year, criminals kill about 120 to 150 police officers. And we know from this FBI table that every year, on average, about 35 percent of officers are killed by Blacks. So, to repeat, Blacks are 13 percent of the population and account for 25 percent of the people killed by police. But if police were killing them in proportion to their threatening, violent, criminal behavior, they would be a greater percentage of the people killed by the police.

  336. JackOH says:
    @George F. Held

    George, yours is my candidate for comment of the quarter.

    My hunch is that a political consultant with good chops would likely echo that by saying any movement seeking to restore America would have to proceed without rancor or vindictiveness. That’s a pretty tall order.

  337. @ICANREAD

    Again, the people in http://uthscsa.edu/ARTT/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf had *much* higher levels in their systems. (over 5x on average).

    Right, the article entitled “Fatal Fentanyl: One Pill Can Kill” about the incident with contaminated pills in California. Also at https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acem.13034
    I did partly answer this earlier. To continue,
    – These patients were given intensive care, some of them were on intravenous naloxone for up to 39 hours. That’s not comparable to conditions on the street. As one commenter here asked, Why didn’t Floyd go to the ER instead of buying cigarettes? (to self medicate with?)
    – Statistically, the mean is not that meaningful for the purpose of determining a lethality threshold, since it’s skewed by high outliers in the sample. However, in table 2 they give individual values. The lowest shown was 7.9 ng/ml. Based on the New Haven, Conn. incident, even this could be lethal without emergency intensive care.

    I thought the data from the New Haven incident https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdose-dont-count-naloxone-save-you-10822 were more useful in determining the lethal dose in Floyd’s case, since he got to the hospital too late to respond to naloxone.

    Two of the patients in this study were dead on arrival. One of these had a fentanyl level of 11 ng/mL and the other 13 ng/mL. I’m figuring Floyd had 19 ng/mL. The highest level in any survivor of this incident was 4.6 ng/mL.
    The maximum naloxone dose in the Connecticut study, 4 mg, was smaller than in the California case, Sutter Table 1, where the maximum was 8 mg. plus intravenous infusion.

    I admire your ideals regarding protect and serve. Perhaps you may find employment with the police force.

    • Replies: @ICANREAD
  338. noyb says:
    @Franz

    i love [email protected] 100% agree. Altough, we can only wonder if this “freak show” was a planned sinister ‘divide and conquer’ plan and would have happened anyway under different circumstances. It is a crusade out there, a hate contest before the election. Trump haters on steroids. Fanatical, fear-mongering coverage in the news 24/7. Criminals out on the streets let out of prisons due to chinese virus. 2020 off to a really bad start….maybe the end of 2020 will make up for it;-) Great article finally, the truth, thank you.

  339. @George

    Floyd’s condition is irrelevant. If I have the facts straight Floyd was handcuffed and loaded inside the police car. For reasons that are unclear he ends up face down on the asphalt with 4 dudes sitting on top of him.

    That’s what the brainwashing program wants you to believe. The reason for removing him from the police car was supposedly his agitated behavior in which case they can’t just drive off to jail if he’s injuring himself particularly about the head and wrists. Being handcuffed is not being tied down and wearing a straightjacket.

    They don’t want you to know that Mayor Frey and the DA have refused to release bodycam video from the three other officers. The footage of the eight minutes they keep showing came from an anonymous bystander, supposedly, but there’s much to be suspicious of. Why was the audio so clear of Floyd’s voice from under the car when the bystander’s phone was at least 10 feet away? Why was there so little noise from traffic and wind? It seemed to me that the audio was recorded in a studio or at the very least heavily edited with noise reduction.

    And why when the EMTs came did they load him on the gurney as if he’d already been pronounced dead? They grabbed his wrist to take pulse and was he already so stone cold to the touch that they loaded him up as a dead body with not even the slightest efforts for CPR? The EMTs didn’t take his temperature. Are EMTs even allowed to decide that a person is dead? They didn’t check to see if his neck was stabilized sufficiently to allow transport. Why?

    What happened to the other officer’s bodycam footage? The coroner saw it and made statements suggesting it supports lack of criminal conduct by Chauvin. Why does the city not release the police videos? We’ve seen footage from a security camera and footage from anonymous bystanders taken with cell phones and not subject to any kind of verification; what if that footage was manufactured? Why don’t they release the police videos of that incident?

    Why was Chauvin not seeming to be wearing a lapel microphone? What about Chauvin’s bodycam? If he wasn’t wearing it or it was turned off, why did they mention only the other officer’s bodycams?

    https://www.lawofficer.com/the-mayor-knew/

    [MORE]

    As Minnehopeless Mayor Jacob Frey stood behind his podium last Tuesday and emotionally told us about the murder of George Floyd, he knew everything but he wasn’t going to tell you.

    He knew that the neck restraint that the Minnehopeless officer used was a department approved tactic.

    NECK HOLD USED BY MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER APPROVED IN POLICY

    That’s right, Mayor Jacob Frey knew that the very technique used by the officer was the exact same one that is trained at the agency and written right in their policy manual as an approved “non-lethal” defensive tactic.

    And The Mayor Knew It!

    Frey also knew what the autopsy said and did not mention it. He knew the medical examiner said that Floyd had no trauma on his body. It said he did not die from strangulation and he did not die from asphyxiation. The mayor knew that the report said he died from drugs in his system along with a pre-existing heart condition combined with hypertension.

    GEORGE FLOYD AUTOPSY SHOWS NO TRAUMA

    And The Mayor Knew It!

    The mayor also knew what the body camera footage showed on Tuesday. Footage, by the way, that has yet to be released. He knew it showed a struggle with Floyd. He knew it showed Floyd’s refusal to get in the police car. He knew it showed Floyd fighting and struggling once he got in the police car and he knew that Floyd was exhibiting signs of a condition called “Excited Delirium.”

    BUY THE BOOK
    He not only knew this but until now has refused to release that video. An issue we asked him about on Twitter to which he blocked us. Does anyone really believe that if that video showed a compliant Floyd that we would not have seen it a week ago?

    The mayor also knew that the officers recognized “Excited Delirium” long before the video seen around the world occurred. He knew that paramedics were called to the scene long before Floyd was placed on the ground and he knew this on Tuesday.

    And if Mayor Frey is any kind of leader, he would have asked questions to know even more on Tuesday.

    He would have known that the American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium, says that there is no amount of de-escalation that can be done to change the outcome of excited delirium. He would know that the report gives two demands to law enforcement when they recognize this deadly phenomenon. ….Physical restraint and subdue the subject and implement emergent sedation.

    The mayor knew Tuesday that the officers had done just that. They had called paramedics and restrained the subject. This, according to the report, is the only means to “slow” the death of an individual suffering from excited delirium.

    And The Mayor Knew It!

    You see Mayor Jacob Frey knew all of this and he was hoping you would never know it but since Al Gore invented the internet it’s not possible to hide it and politicians like Jacob Frey must hate that.

    You see, he stood up there on Tuesday knowing all of this and told you a tale.

    He said this is simple. Racist cops murdered a man on camera. That is a black cop, Hispanic cop, Asian cop and a white cop made a conscious decision in front of a large crowd with cameras to lay a man down on the street and murder him by choking him to death (in the back of the neck?). Frey has convinced hundreds of millions of people that a bunch of murderous racists did this and for this they should all be outraged. An outrage that has taken it’s toll in every major American City.

    Frey knew there was body camera footage that answered some of the questions we all had about the video. He knew there was a policy with the Minnehopeless Police Department that authorized the neck restraint.

    He knew it all.

    But Mayor Jacob Frey didn’t tell you.

    Instead, he chose to stoke the flames of racism and murderous cops. It was the easy play.

    Rather than give America a detailed, informational look at what happened from the beginning of the encounter to that fateful end, he couched all of this as nothing but murderous racist cops and a sign of institutional racism throughout American Policing.

    Rather than telling us the the truth, he decided to fan the flames of hate against law enforcement and tell the world on Tuesday that if Floyd would have been white, this would not have happened
    … But Frey wasn’t going to tell you that. He wasn’t going to tell you that the officers recognized a phenomenon, excited delirium, that can be tragic if not dealt with quickly and he wasn’t going to tell you that the very tactic he railed against was approved by department policy and he certainly wasn’t going to tell you that the medical examiner found no strangulation and no signs of trauma on Mr. Floyd.

    … I wonder what a jury will think when they see body camera footage of officers observing and discussing excited delirium and making a decision to do the only thing that can be done to slow the onset of death, subdue the individual and call the paramedics.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  340. @Emily

    Agree, but those practically slave wage children’s color precludes them from being worthy.

  341. FB says: • Website
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this ‘author’ takes illegal drugs…perhaps on a daily basis…

    • Replies: @Arcturus
  342. “What would be your response to comment # 128 by Wally, “It is whites who are targeted by blacks, the stats don’t lie. The Color of Crime: https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
    Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/”

    Excuse the delay.

    1. Whites are not targeted for being white. Those numbers are the result of black criminals and the number of prospects. There are more whites than blacks so it makes sense that for criminals black or white there are more whites to target. Secondarily, color is not the motive as indicated by the FBI states regarding crimes based on ethnic or color background. If the perception is that whites have more money than blacks or material worth stealing — then white, black or brown o green, one would target that population not for their color but their perceived wealth or.

    2. But for motive of color — whites are the leading attackers —

    3. Stats don’t lie is misleading. Stats can be

    a. incorrect
    b. misinterpreted
    c. deliberately misleading
    d and out and out lies case in point The Ferguson effect; bad modeling, counter to the evidence on crime by the numbers — (before the current unrest), manipulated by sample size, etc.

    5. The massive study (my responses here are not new): responses

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/08/study-claims-white-police-no-more-likely-shoot-
    minorities-draws-fire

    https://reason.com/2020/06/03/8065488/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-
    use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

    It make sense that more whites are shot. There are more whites by a magnitude of four times plus. But in breaking that number down into the proportional representation well the references above reinforce the case. Again, unarmed, I think is key. or armed . . .

    Furthermore the argument is used to make a generalized understanding of whether there is bias in law enforcement. And the answer I think is that conclusion is correct. Not based soley on the number of extreme cases, but the number of arrests, reasons for arrest, adjudication processes for similar crimes by white and black suspects.

    4. As i indicated in the AE blog on this question. The Frye study has some serious problems. It cannot be replicated despite several attempts. It is missing large data sets in its analysis.

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02601-9

    — new study is not new

    https://scholar.harvard.edu/jfeldman/blog/roland-fryer-wrong-there-racial-bias-shootings-police

    Methodology:
    https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-times/theres-more-harvard-racial-bias-study-right-wing-media-are-reporting

    ——————————————

    Now I am keenly aware of the tack — it’s because blacks do more crime. I have dealt with those responses previously. I won’t rehash for this. But the number of studies that contradict the rhetoric regarding the new study simply overwhelms.

    And the real answer lies in the study itself, that acknowledges when it comes to the use of force, the darker the shade the more excessive the the police behavior. The answer is overwhelming in the positive column. And that answer lies in how we as a country have been socialized to think of black skin in general which is the built in systemic conclusion that blacks by nature require or deserve more force than necessary or legally mandated.

    ——————————————–

    Now whether Mr Chauvin was black or white, the use of excessive force is in my view very obvious for a situation in which the gentleman never should have been detained.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    , @Loup-Bouc
    , @FB
  343. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    You’re not a doctor…

    Doctors will tell you that there is a tolerance that develops with regular users…so there is no set number for a lethal dose…

    Also, overdose death occurs quickly after taking the drug…which was not what happened here…overdoses don’t happen after that initial peak intoxication level…

    We have a board certified emergency doctor who comments here on UNZ, and he already covered a lot of this ground…

    Writing about *technical* matters in which the author has no expertise results in zero credibility, at least among thoughtful readers…

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  344. FB says: • Website
    @RobbieSmith

    Oh well…I guess if the Washington Post says so, then it must be true…?

    Your 700 words of bullshit doesn’t make that crap any more true…

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  345. @EliteCommInc.

    My comments are not indicative of a love for BLM, ANTIFA, or some manner of dismantling police or a naive understanding of human nature. Clearly some small number of blacks are dangerous as are a small number of whites, dangerous, untrustworthy, and any number of adjectives that reflect the negatives of our human existence.

  346. @FB

    “Oh well…I guess if the Washington Post says so, then it must be true…?”

    What exactly about their data and analysis are you disputing? Do you have any contrary data?

    “Your 700 words of bullshit doesn’t make that crap any more true…”

    I posted a dozen links to scientific analysis of police interactions with the public.

    You responded by just calling it all “bullshit”?

    Do you have an example of an assertion I made that is erroneous, or are you just Black?

    • Replies: @FB
  347. @EliteCommInc.

    “Clearly some small number of blacks are dangerous as are a small number of whites, dangerous…”

    But at wildly different rates. That’s the entire point! And it will never change because the cause for Black criminal violence is genetic.

    The Color of Crime:

    [MORE]

             •   Black males age 18-35 years of age are only 1.8% of the U.S. population, yet have committed 52% of homicides from 1980-2008. Black males (all ages) are only 6% of the U.S. population, yet commit 46% of all violent crimes, and 50% of the gun homicides. If Blacks were removed from the equation, the U.S. gun homicide rate would be equal to Great Britain’s, who have some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world.

             •   The Black homicide rate is 17 per 100,000, a rate over 9x that of the White rate, and comparable to some of those most murderous countries in the world. If the homicide rate for the U.S. were the White-only rate, the homicide rate would drop 84%, making the U.S. rate comparable to European countries.

             •   According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 2018 survey of criminal victimization, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between Blacks and Whites last year, including White-on-Black and Black-on-White attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and Whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.

             •   Blacks constitute 13% of the U.S. population, but represent 27% of all criminal activity in the U.S.

             •   According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting for 2018, of the homicide victims for whom race was known, 53.3% were Black, 43.8% were White and 2.8% were of other races. In cases where the race of the offender was known, 54.9% were Black, 42.4% were White, and 2.7% were of other races.

             •   Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent. This means that a Black is 27 times more likely to attack a White person than vice versa.

             •   For each one standard deviation increase in proportion of Black population, firearm homicide rate is increased by 82.8%. Therefore, the U.S. has a Black problem, not a gun or violent crime problem. When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

             •   40% of gun crime occurs in just three cities: 596 (10%) – St Louis, MO, 53 (11%) – Detroit, MI, and 1,527 (27%) – Chicago, IL.

             •   Murder is the leading cause of death for Black men, ages 15 to 34. Their murderers are other Black men 93 percent of the time.

             •   Black males between 16-35 years of age are only 2.0% of the population, yet commit 72% of the street crime in America.

             •   The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black.

            •   If New York City were all White, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all-White Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

            •   The United States is third in murders throughout the world, but if you omit just five Black cities (Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, and New Orleans) from the equation, then the United States is fourth from the bottom.

             •   Black serial killers have comprised over half of documented serial killers since the dawn of the 21st century at 56 percent, making up a total of 40 percent in years dating back to 1900. Blacks constituted 44% of the known serial killers during the 1995-2004 period and 38.2% of all multiple murderers (serial, mass, and spree combined) during 1976-1998 period. During the 2000-2010 decade, 62% of serial killers were Black.

    https://archive.org/details/6396bf06c11b81777c27ca0edcb4fdbb4ae17354576954101f6d
    6ce3a015b806

    https://archive.org/details/SerialKillerRate

    2019 Data Shows 51% of Mass Shooters Were Black, Only 29% Were White:

    https://summit.news/2019/08/07/2019-data-shows-51-of-mass-shooters-were-black-only-29-were-white/

  348. FB says: • Website
    @RobbieSmith

    Look fool…

    I don’t have a lot of time to waste on an obvious *retard*

    If I wanted a slow motion lobotomy, I would be sure to read the WaPo rag each day, instead of treating it as the fish wrap it is…

    Also, that’s a real winning argument there…calling someone ‘black’…I guess that’s supposed to invalidate any argument…?

    You’re obviously in borderline idiot IQ territory…

    • LOL: Jazman
    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  349. @FB

    Me: “What exactly about their data and analysis are you disputing? Do you have any contrary data?
    I posted a dozen links to scientific analysis of police interactions with the public. You responded by just calling it all “bullshit”? Do you have an example of an assertion I made that is erroneous, or are you just Black?”

    You: “Look fool… I don’t have a lot of time to waste on an obvious *retard* … If I wanted a slow motion lobotomy…”

    OK……. so you just made it up.

    And, yeah… I don’t put any credence in arguments from Blacks. Koko the gorilla had an IQ 1SD higher than Blacks. Should I attempt to reason with a gorilla?

    • Replies: @Biff
  350. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    I posted a dozen links to scientific analysis of police interactions with the public. You responded by just calling it all “bullshit”?

    Can I call it “bullshit” too?

    Bullshit!
    Bullshit!
    Bullshit!

    I think it’s a consensus.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  351. @Biff

    “Can I call it “bullshit” too? Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!”

    This is precisely the type of emotional and unreasoned response I expected from a Black.

    Would you care to provide a more thoughtful reply and perhaps some supporting evidence?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Re:

    In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 Blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 Black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

    Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer.

    From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over that 33-year period was 52% White, and 41% Black. So, the 13% total Black population in the U.S. commits 41% of police murders.

    [MORE]

    Further, Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by Black males.

    Nine unarmed Blacks were killed by police in 2019 (seven of whom physically assaulted the officers), as opposed to 19 Whites, according to the Washington Post’s database, but Blacks are much more likely to have police encounters than Whites. In an average year, about 49 people are killed by lightning in the US, according to the National Weather Service.

    The Myth of Systemic Police Racism:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wall-street-journal-op-ed-hold-officers-accountable-who-use-excessive-force-but-theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-racial-bias

    An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

    Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings
    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

    6 Facts From New Study Finding NO RACIAL BIAS Against Blacks In Police Shootings
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-study-no-racial-bias-police-involved-shootings-james-barrett

    Tucker Carlson Breaks Down Every Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Suspects In 2019: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/tucker-carlson-police-shootings-genocide/

    Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.1db63f3f7797

    Study Concludes White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Black Citizens: https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/23/study-white-police-officers-not-likely-shoot-black-citizens/

    Black Officers More Likely than White Officers to Shoot Suspects: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/26/study-black-officers-more-likely-than-white-officers-to-shoot-suspects/

    There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings, By Heather Mac Donald: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/

    Blacks should be shot more often, based on the number of crimes committed:
    https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-we-probably-ought

    Every year, American police officers have about 370 million contacts with civilians. Most of the time nothing happens, but 12 to 13 million times a year, the police make an arrest. How often does this lead to the death of an unarmed Black person? We know the number thanks to a detailed Washington Post database of every killing by the police. What is your guess as to the number of unarmed Blacks killed by the police every year? One hundred? Three hundred? Last year, the figure was nine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

    That number is going down, not up. In 2015, police killed 38 unarmed Blacks. In 2017, 21. What about White people? Last year, police killed 19 unarmed Whites, in addition to the 9 unarmed Blacks. We know the number of Black and White people arrested every year, so it is possible to make an interesting calculation. The chances of being unarmed, arrested, and then killed by the police are higher for Whites than for Blacks. For both races, it’s very rare: One out of 292,000 arrests for Blacks, and out of 283,000 arrests for Whites.

    Since 2015, when the Post began tracking these numbers, the police have killed about 1,000 people a year. Every year, about one quarter of them are Black. This is about twice their share of the population, which is 13 percent. Is this proof of police racism? No. The more likely explanation is that Blacks are more likely than Whites to act in violent, aggressive ways that give the police no choice but to shoot them. In 2018, the most recent year for which we have statistics, Blacks accounted for 37 percent of all arrests for violent crimes, 54 percent of all arrests for robbery, and 53 percent of arrests for murder. With so many Blacks involved in this kind of violent crime, that Blacks should account for 25 percent of the people killed by the police seem like a surprisingly low figure.

    There is another perspective on police killings of civilians. Every year, criminals kill about 120 to 150 police officers. And we know from this FBI table that every year, on average, about 35 percent of officers are killed by Blacks. So, to repeat, Blacks are 13 percent of the population and account for 25 percent of the people killed by police. But if police were killing them in proportion to their threatening, violent, criminal behavior, they would be a greater percentage of the people killed by the police.

    • Replies: @Biff
  352. @FB

    Re drug tolerance, How do you know the DOA cases in Connecticut hadn’t developed drug tolerance? I answered that already.
    Re “overdose death occurs quickly after taking the drug…which was not what happened here…” I answered that too. Do you know when Floyd took the drug? It was probably ingested, not injected. Do you know how long it takes to reach the brain and shut down breathing?
    Also there is no tolerance for EXD.
    it’s pretty simple for an objective observer. The dose was lethal. the knee hold was not.

    • Replies: @FB
  353. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    *You’re not a doctor*

    You don’t even play one on TV…

    Do you want to get on an airplane, with a bus driver at the controls…?

    Think about it…

    I don’t understand why or how anyone with ZERO technical knowledge of the subject would even get it into his head to write about a subject where knowledge of *TECHNICAL* intricacies is central…

    • Troll: JimDandy
    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  354. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    This is precisely the type of emotional and unreasoned response I expected from a Black.

    I’m not black, but Asian, and Asians are smarter than whites, so I get to call you dummy.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  355. @EliteCommInc.

    Clearly some small number of blacks are dangerous as are a small number of whites,

    I was going to mention that too. Generalizations are good as far as they go. If there are 600,000 black males in prison at any one time, that is 3% of the 20 million black males in the country. Which is about the number of the population 2 standard deviations below the mean. The prison population is also dropping over the last 15 years.
    At one time it was easy to be a progressive and root for the underdog. Not any more. There isn’t that place to stand anymore. Especially when we are the underdog now, and no one is rooting for us.
    When Bush invaded Iraq it was simple. But when Obama and Hillary ran their color revolutions on Ukraine, Syria, Libya and so on, and the leftist “idealists” were in the forefront as media combatants, broadcasting lies and fake videos about the “dictators” Assad and Ghadafi, that was the death of the Left.
    There’s no Left left, except what’s funded by G. Soros. It’s “The New World Order in Action” as Takis Fotopoulos wrote.
    This whole riotous uproar they’ve staged is pure color revolution, fake as a counterfeit $3 bill;).
    Do you think the “jihadists” burning down Minneapolis are actually going to benefit from this theater? They will get burned too, as useful idiots always do.

  356. The timing in the PANDEMIC everyone or some wear masks? Not a one in his video on police or onlookers???

  357. I find it very odd that when I try to share this very Informative article to facebook, it says all content from this site is blocked because of complaints from members.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @fnn
  358. Excellent article. And let’s not forget Chauvin worked with Floyd at a night club.
    As for all the losers still playing racist cards, they don’t have the capability to think for themselves. Wait until a Trump landslide in November!

  359. @Biff

    “I’m not black, but Asian, and Asians are smarter than whites…”

    Asian IQ scores cluster around the mean; thus, the cognitive variation among Whites produces more geniuses, but also more morons.

    Mans’ accomplishments have been documented according to the number of times they were cited by others. Over 97% of the most important scientists and 74% of the most important artists and authors were White, almost all males, and most from only four countries, Great Britain, Germany, France, and Italy; the remainder were mostly Asian, and none were Black.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @trickster
  360. Biff says:
    @hotdogharry

    I find it very odd that when I try to share this very Informative article to facebook, it says all content from this site is blocked because of complaints from members.

    The government outsources censorship to private communication monopolies, and as the list of outsourcing grows longer the bill of rights becomes irrelevant and BAM!
    ((Full spectrum dominance))

    Great success.

  361. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Hey dummy. Where’s all your “Bullshit” sources and links you usually blather on about? None?
    Now you’re making up the “Bullshit” as you go?
    Typical and expected from the average white trash keyboard crusader.

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  362. MLK says:
    @obwandiyag

    In the end, your comment is self-defeating.

    If you don’t like the Floyd murder . . .

    You’re projecting. It’s you who has soured on the facts and informed speculation surrounding his death. Doing so with regard to an incident which is as facts intensive as this one, particularly in response to a sober analysis such as this, tells us more about you than anything at all related to this man’s death and what has followed it.

  363. Truth is treason in an empire of lies. Apparently the autopsy has been available for public scrutiny for some time and yet it isn’t being exposed. I got to the article via a link in an article on Lew Rockwell written by Paul Craig Roberts. This should have been common knowledge before the first Molotov cocktail was ever lit. Makes me wonder…was there a hidden agenda? Like the hidden agenda behind CONvid 19?

  364. trickster says:
    @RobbieSmith

    The Chinese accomplished many things in 4000 years. It is the oldest civilization. Over that period the Chinese invested the chopstick, noodles , the sedan chair and its upgrade the rickshaw. These were earth shattering discoveries which changed the world.

    However its main accomplishment was its debut from being a third world slum exiting this phase of its outstanding civilization around the 1980’s after, as mentioned above, some 4000 years.

    They did so because the white man allowed them to by letting them manufacture cheap goods for sale in the west. Hopefully they will be thankful and respectful or else we may have to stop buying their junk in which case they may have to go back to selling street food in their cities. I hear barbecue bat and deep fried worms are a delicacy !

    Also, they have such a superior IQ that they dye their hair blond, wear blue contact lenses and take English names like Jimmy, David, Harry and of course BIFF. Some even try to talk Ebonics and imitate and emulate the Negro which is bizarre to behold. Ever meet a white man who calls himself Chang Wu Geh ? And try to talk like a Chink ?

    Conclusion: Asians are smarter than whites ! LOL

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  365. trickster says:
    @Biff

    The Chinese accomplished many things in 4000 years. It is the oldest civilization. Over that period the Chinese invested the chopstick, noodles , the sedan chair and its upgrade the rickshaw. These were earth shattering discoveries which changed the world.

    However its main accomplishment was its debut from being a third world slum exiting this phase of its outstanding civilization around the 1980’s after, as mentioned above, some 4000 years.

    They did so because the white man allowed them to by letting them manufacture cheap goods for sale in the west. Hopefully they will be thankful and respectful or else we may have to stop buying their junk in which case they may have to go back to selling street food in their cities.

    Also, they have such a superior IQ that they dye their hair blond, wear blue eyes and take English names like Jimmy, David, Harry and of course BIFF. Ever meet a white man who calls himself Chang Wu Geh ?

    Conclusion: Asians are smarter than whites ! LOL

  366. trickster says:
    @Biff

    Thats right. The US is an awful dump blah blah blah, a desirable destination where Chinese hunger to live. These are so eager to visit this country of chaos and anarchy that 100 or more of them will pack into a shipping container, all shitting in the same container and head for our shores. There many will work as slaves for other chinese to pay off their transportation costs, most times usually the women give it up to earn some of those slimy green backs.

    In the meantime other Chinese are applying legally for entry into the US using sketchy “immigration consultants” (usually Chinese as well) and bribing whoever they can to get immigrants status.

    When they arrive here, by container ship or otherwise they then assume western names. I just cannot understand why anyone would want to immigrate to a slum. Even the poorest Americans would never dream of locking themselves into a container, paying someone $15,000 + to immigrate to China. Finally, their areas of congregation aka Chinatown become the shitholes they left behind in Fon Dong or Guandong or whatever stupidly named Chinese province they fled. Take a visit to Chinatown in NYC for a magical mystical tour ! In China, after 4000 years these people are still peeing against lamp posts and defecating at the side of the street. Their idea of a functioning toilet indoors, is a hole in the ground where you squat to take a dump.

    How many Chinese study English ? And now how many Americans study Chinese ? These Asian idiots are even immigrating to Africa, another shit hole continent.

    Give your head a shake ! When the US teaches China some manners, all of you will get kicked out, the men that is. We’ll seize all your property and the Chinese ladies we will turn over to fellows who look like Floyd.

    Yes Biff, you are the Chinaman who wannabee white. We look up to you and your race as “superior”….BARF, FART and LOL !

    • Thanks: Biff
  367. @Biff

    “Hey dummy. Where’s all your “Bullshit” sources and links you usually blather on about?”

    You can easily see it plotted on a chart if you Google “racial IQ bell curve”.

    Here are some studies for you-

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    Race differences in intelligence: An evolutionary analysis.
    Lynn, Richard (2006)

    ABSTRACT
    It is widely accepted that race differences in intelligence exist, but no consensus has emerged on whether these have any genetic basis. The present book is the first fully comprehensive review that has ever been made of the evidence on race differences in intelligence worldwide. It reviews these for ten races rather than the three major races (Africans, Caucasians, and East Asians) analyzed by Rushton (2000). The races analyzed here are the Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans, Bushmen, South Asians and North Africans, Southeast Asians, Australian Aborigines, Pacific Islanders, East Asians, Arctic Peoples, and Native American Indians. (PsycINFO Database Record, 2016 APA)

    https://archive.org/stream/RichardLynnRaceDifferencesInIntelligence/Richard%20LynnRace%20Differences%20In%20Intelligence_djvu.txt

    THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY

    https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

    • Replies: @Biff
  368. @trickster

    “The Chinese accomplished many things in 4000 years. It is the oldest civilization.”

    The world’s first civilization is European.

    NYT 11/30/09: Lost European Culture Pulled From Obscurity
    (lower Danube Valley and the Balkan Foothills)

    [MORE]

    “For 1,500 years, starting earlier than 5,000 BC they (Lost European cultures) farmed and built sizeable towns, a few with as many as 2000 dwellings. They mastered large scale copper smelting. Their graves held an impressive array of exquisite headdresses and necklaces and, in one cemetery, the earliest assemblage of gold artifacts to be found in the world.”

    Exhibition “The Lost World of Old Europe: The Danube Valley 5,000 – 3500 BC. Peaked around 4500 BC. Historians suggest that the arrival in Southeastern Europe of people from the Steppes may have contributed to the collapse of Old Europe. The story now emerging is of pioneer farmers after about 6,200 B.C. moving north into Old Europe from Greece and Macedonia bringing wheat and barley seeds and domesticated cattle and sheep.

    Old Europe is the oldest civilization ever discovered.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01arch.html

    Vinca Culture (Romania — 5,300 B.C.):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture

    The Danube Script is the world’s oldest written language by more than 1,000 years. It dates to 5,500 B.C.

    It has 231 individual signs based on a core of about thirty basic abstract root signs expressing most of the basic geometric shapes (parallel lines, Vs, and crosses). The script is made up of abstract and arbitrary signs rather than figurative or naturalistic motifs.

    http://www.prehistory.it/oldeuropeanscripti.htm

    https://neokoolt.wixsite.com/oldeurope/single-post/2015/07/27/10-Things-You-Probably-Didnt-Know-About-Neolithic-Danubian-Civilization

    https://www.scribd.com/document/138393335/The-Danube-Script-and-Other-Ancient-Writing-Systems-A-Typology-of-Distinctive-Features

  369. There is something wrong with the poster’s claim — 11 ng/ml of Fentanyl is not even close to a fatal dose.

    2-3 milligrams appears to be a fatal dose.
    An adult male of Floyd’s size would have app. 6,000 ml of blood.
    11 ng/ml works out to just .066 milligrams. (11 x 6000 = 66,000 ng = .066 mg)

    Anyone can go online and check this.

    I await the poster’s response.

  370. @MasterKass

    “There is something wrong with the poster’s claim — 11 ng/ml of Fentanyl is not even close to a fatal dose.”

    It took me three minutes to find these-

    “The range of fentanyl levels was wide, from 0.75 to 113.00 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL.”

    https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/ndews-hotspot-unintentional-fentanyl-overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf

    “Peripheral blood concentrations range from near 1 ng/mL to well over 20 ng/mL with a median somewhere between 5 and 10 ng/mL, depending on degree of tolerance and presence of other significant drugs.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6609322/

    • Replies: @FB
  371. Biff says:
    @RobbieSmith

    Hey dummy, your “Bullshit” links do not prove that you are a low class white and I’m a beautiful, well educated, wealthy Asian. So there.

  372. “Do you think the “jihadists” burning down Minneapolis are actually going to benefit from this theater? They will get burned too, as useful idiots always do.”

    Violence and the threat of violence does have it uses. However, for minority populations and by that I mean numerically, the benefits are are usually slight in the immediate and while long term may be helpful, unless more than 30 – 40% (my guess – not based on any research data – though I am sure some exists) of the whole is so engaged, the benefits are slight, unless the benefit also a similar number — violence usually backfires. In the case of blacks – african americans – the backfire is usually substantial slowing the progress or the changes sought.

    Because the country is readily able to identify blacks as a population and therefore isolate and categorize to the whole, despite said categorization being incorrect — gains are more harder to obtain.

    Compare violence of whites against african american populations — violence has been very effective in obtaining intended goals. One reason is that whites comprise most of the population who benefit from the violence – ta more complex than that. There is a shift in the nature of these protests and that an increasing number of whites are losing faith in the established order.

    —————————

    I will curtail further response on this question, not out of fear or lack of ability. But that I think my positions are clear, well supported.

    As for violence, (laughing) . . . the colonial revolutionists most likely would have me tarred and feathered – at the very least

  373. FB says: • Website
    @RobbieSmith

    Peripheral blood concentrations range from near 1 ng/mL to well over 20 ng/mL with a median somewhere between 5 and 10 ng/mL, depending on degree of tolerance and presence of other significant drugs.

    That is obviously lacking a lot of vitally important contextual information…

    I decided to look at the source you linked to, a paper from 2019 authored by what appears to be a qualified forensic medicine practitioner…

    Fatalities caused by novel opioids: a review

    First, this type of ‘review’ is basically a survey of extant literature on the subject, not any type of new research…

    Second, it is of course assumed that the reader is going to be a qualified practitioner in the field of forensic medicine…not some yahoo typing away furiously on the internet…

    But let’s look at the ‘discussion’ section of that paper…

    Due to the presence of other drugs, the degree of tolerance to opioids and sometimes the presence of significant natural disease there are no clearly defined minimum fatal concentration of fentanyl with concentrations contributing or causing death from as low as about 0.2 ng/mL, although the median peripheral blood concentrations have tended to be about 10–20 ng/mL [28,111]

    That’s NOT what you ‘quoted’ above…and is in fact DOUBLE the numbers you ‘quote’…

    That ‘median’ range also extends quite a bit higher than what Floyd’s quantity was measured at…

    There are a number of cautions voiced in this paper as well…

    Moreover, tolerance is a substantial factor, or lack of it in some cases, that cannot be assessed from the often scant history obtained in a routine death investigation.

    And this…

    Unfortunately, on review of the publications listed here (reports of deaths from use of a novel opioid), there is no concentration that could be considered a minimum that can cause death.

    This is not surprising since there is no such minimum fatal concentration for other opioids, such as morphine (including from use of heroin), methadone and oxycodone.

    So that pretty much throws in the trash any talk of a specific ‘fatal’ dose, now doesn’t it…?

    Of course actual doctors and other TECHNICALLY qualified persons will know this…although internet yahoos will not…

    We have here a commenter, ‘The Scalpel’, who is a practicing, board-certified emergency physician [and also a West Point graduate]…he has addressed a lot of this nonsense from a professional perspective and it is nonsense…go and find his comments on this and learn something from a professional…

    I notice you’ve been making a lot of noise here with reams of verbiage and some links thrown in [which it seems don’t actually say what you claim they do…]

    You also seem to be an instant internet expert not only forensic medicine, but also on history, cultural anthropology and a lot of other topics on which you have been blowing massive amounts of smoke here…

    A reasonable person will conclude from this display that you are in fact not qualified in any real field of knowledge, since a person qualified in any particular field of hard science will understand that he has only a layman’s understanding of other fields, and will limit himself only to his own particular field…

    Internet yahoos and ersatz ‘authors’ display no such understanding of how knowledge actually works…they figure they are just as ‘qualified’ as anybody to just jump right in and start popping off about brain surgery or rocket science, or forensic medicine, or any other highly specialized field…

  374. @Michael888

    https://www.lawofficer.com/the-acquittal-of-derek-chauvin/

    [MORE]

    From the beginning of the George Floyd case, we have been pointing out several problems with the criminal charge.

    While we have been accused from everything including “justifying” the death of Floyd to flat out racists, it seems for weeks that we were the only media outlet willing to actually look at the facts of this case.

    MINNEAPOLIS DISASTER: FENTANYL, METHAMPHETAMINE & EXCITED DELIRIUM

    While the rest of the world has been looting, burning and screaming in the name of racism, we told our audience some extremely important items that appeared to be an issue.

    From the very real issue of “excited delirium” to the “approved” neck technique used by Chauvin and to the oddly disappearance of the body camera footage, which would be the only video footage showing the initial encounter all the way to the end.

    THE MAYOR KNEW

    None of what we said seemed to matter. Emotion and hate ruled and to this day, not one piece of evidence has ever emerged that makes this a case a racism. We even pointed out the case of Tony Timpa, an incident that appears much worse that few had even heard of.

    We don’t expect politicians and activists to have any sense of moral intentions when it comes to communicating a message but we remember a time that the media would pursue the facts and tell the story rather than constantly stoking the flames of hate and violence. For weeks that is all we have seen and the damage done has been tremendous.

    Everyone, it seems was a target, including Major Travis Yates who took hits from hundreds of media outlets for discussing data and research debunking systematic racism in law enforcement. Then there were the firing of officers throughout the country within hours of events.

    AMERICA, WE ARE LEAVING

    And after all that, we finally have a news outlet that joins us in the inherent problems with the Minneapolis case.

    In an article titled “Why Derek Chauvin May Get Off His Murder Charge,” Medium reports several issues that we reported on the first week of the incident.

    A MESSAGE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT: WHY I HAVE NOT JUDGED

    Citing “six crucial pieces of information” that have been omitted from the discussion, they state that they will “likely exonerate the officer of a murder charge.”

    We agree and that is the true tragedy of what the media and politicians have done in this case. By leaving out this vital information, they have not only given the public a false hope of conviction, but have turned the entire profession on top of it’s head.

    It makes you wonder if this was the plan all along.

    Medium says that “the evidence points to the MPD and the local political establishment, rather than the individual officer, as ultimately responsible for George Floyd’s death.”

    A point we specifically made when we wrote “The Mayor Knew” after his emotionally charged news conference the day after the incident.

    These omissions and facts are detailed below and frankly, we give Medium credit for actually reporting it. They will soon join Law Officer as a racist news outlet for telling the truth.

    “George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground,” and well before he had a knee to his neck.
    The Minneapolis Police Department allowed the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, “and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.”
    The officers were recorded on their body cameras recognizing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium,” a condition which the department considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the department acknowledges that Excited Delirium suspects may die regardless of the force involved and there are only a few options for the officers to help prolong the suspect’s condition including restraining the suspect and call for paramedics. That is exactly what they were doing.
    “Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic” in Excited Delirium situations, and the white paper used by the agency instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive. That is exactly what the officers were doing.
    “Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.” While the Medical Examiner added that the “restraint” played a role in the death, this will be a huge stretch for “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” considering that the officers were following department protocol.
    Chauvin’s neck restraint was highly unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. “Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck, and a robust study on double-knee restraints showed a median force exertion of approximately 105 lbs. The autopsy showed no strangulation and no asphyxiation and there have been a string of rednecks showing the tactic on each other in recent weeks. While the video looks awful, it is likely that the officers were doing all they could, fearing the 6’06” Floyd would begin fighting again, and guaranteeing his death of Excited Delirium.
    The scandal of this case is not the neck restraint or racism but rather why the politicians and Minneapolis Leaders withheld all of this information.

    Information they had the very next day.

    And the question will be, if they would have given out the information to the public, would the riots have happened? Would the buildings have burned? Would “de-funding” efforts be taking place all across the profession?

    WOULD OUR PROFESSION NOT BE HEADED TO TOTAL AND COMPLETE DISASTER?

    While we can only begin to wonder what was in the minds of these cowardly politicians, we wonder what will happen to this country when the acquittals come. Something that any expert, with the above information will tell you is highly likely.

    Is this all a setup? Why the lies? Why the omissions? Why the secrecy?

    If the next thing you hear, is for justice, we need a speedy trial to be over by November 3, 2020, then you will know exactly why all of this happened and you will know exactly who to blame and it’s not the cops trying to do their job.

    It’s the politicians trying to ensure their power reigns.

  375. This article is fundamentally disgraceful. It should have stopped at exposing the cause of death. Pontificating on Floyd is beneath you. Who are you to Judge?

    I say this since, as your article states, “Floyd already began to complain ‘I can’t breathe’ a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied”, which indicates the proper course of action by the police was to place him in the cruiser and either call an ambulance or take him to the Hospital themselves. They did not do that.

    Instead, they place a knee on his neck which, to the casual onlooker, looks amazingly similar to a choke hold, and do so for almost 9 minutes while being video taped, with or without their knowledge.

    Chauvin will be tried for murder, and will be found guilty precisely because he and his partner, both of whom have had previous investigations concerning excessive use of force, did NOTHING to resolve Floyd’s inability to breath.

    Floyd was no angel, that has been determined – he was involved in a rape in the past, among other items on his rap sheet. He has prior convictions. I will not not argue that he was an angel. But we have courts for that.

    And that, pretty much, is my point, since what your article completely fails to mention is that, to anyone viewing the video, it appears that Chauvin decided to be Judge, Jury and Executioner – in the span of 9 minutes.

    I for one think he should be fined for costs to jail him, plus the 50 cents or so it would cost for the electricity needed to electrocute him in an Electric chair. Why should tax dollars be spent feeding, housing and caring for this murderer for the rest of his life? Oh! He didn’t kill Floyd? Well, let’s see??

    I don’t thing anyone who saw the video could ever come to that conclusion. And that would the fault of Chauvin and his minions, not Floyd.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
    , @Anonymous
  376. @FB

    “Internet yahoos and ersatz ‘authors’ display no such understanding of how knowledge actually works…they figure they are just as ‘qualified’ as anybody to just jump right in and start popping off about brain surgery or rocket science, or forensic medicine, or any other highly specialized field…”

    I totally agree. But we’re all also allowed to offer informed speculation and insight without pompous internet assholes beating us down.

    I’m sure you’d also agree that your claims were also incorrect. The fact is, his fentanyl level is right in line with the averages of many different populations.

    You also made multiple disingenuous assertions, including “So that pretty much throws in the trash any talk of a specific ‘fatal’ dose, now doesn’t it…?” and “…and is in fact DOUBLE the numbers you ‘quote’…”.

    Further, no one has asserted that there is a “fatal” dose, and every discussion of this I have read has provided a caveat about naive users versus those with tolerance.

    Well, we’re all gonna learn a lot about fentanyl toxicity in the coming months and years…

    • Replies: @FB
  377. @FB

    What about “Fentanyl isn’t fentanyl isn’t fentanyl”? I haven’t seen anyone here distinguish between pharmaceutical fentanyl citrate of Duragesic patches and Actiq lollipops versus the numerous and ever-changing “analogues” of various chemistry and isomer sold as research chemicals of varying legality. George Floyd may have seen the real thing being carried by patrons of that club where he worked as a bouncer because it’d be a huge status symbol, but even those are counterfeited.

    There are all kinds of powders being sold as fentanyl analogues. Much of it is pressed into tablets that are intended to mimic the appearance of oxycodone tablets. How much of the toxicology research takes account of that fact?

    The buyers, unless they’re very stupid, know that they’re buying fake oxycodone tabs ordinarily made from a mixture of chemicals that probably includes some type of fentanyl molecules.

  378. @johnsstudio

    Everybody should rejoice that Floyd is dead. The fewer Blacks in a society, the more safe and prosperous it is.

    Floyd died of cardio pulmonary arrest caused by his fentanyl overdose.

    Floyd’s legal team will argue death was caused by “mechanical asphyxiation”. They base that solely on the video. There is no physical evidence for it. The knee didn’t leave any bruising. His hyoid bone was not broken and his throat tissue was undamaged with no petechial hemorrhages. As the report put it, “the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature.” He fainted while he was still standing which indicates he had a problem related to blood flow to his brain. He also complained of breathing difficulties prior to application of restraint (which is intended to keep the perp from hurting himself). They will be eviscerated on cross.

    Floyd’s fentanyl level was 11 ng/mL. The average overdosage is 10 ng/mL (it varies based on the tolerance built up by the individual). Symptoms of fentanyl overdose displayed by Floyd included foaming at the mouth, difficulty walking (he had to be supported by two officers), confusion, respiratory depression, and respiratory arrest. Fentanyl is so potent that law enforcement officers and first responders are warned to wear protective clothing during known raids to prevent inhalation or skin absorption of the drug. This is probably why the officer wouldn’t stop kneeling on Floyd. The ambulance was called after these symptoms were observed because they knew they had a medical emergency due to a drug overdose.

    Further, this was complicated by his severe heart disease. Several of his key arteries were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked. That alone was sufficient to cause death.

    The officer’s knee was not on Floyd’s carotid. He was on the jaw bone and then backed off to the back of the neck when Floyd said he couldn’t breathe. The knee was on the head, ear, and jaw… but not throat. This is the technique taught at the FBI.

    He died from cardio pulmonary arrest as the autopsy states. Murder 2 won’t stick. The Blacks will riot again, as usual.

    https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

    https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

  379. @FPD72

    Yes, resistance is an issue. In the author`s example, the parachute is resistance, if unopened it would not change the rate of fall as he concludes the weight of the unopened parachute would cause faster acceleration. If anything, it would cause drag and a slower speed at impact.
    https://demonstrations.wolfram.com/GalileosExperimentAtTheLeaningTowerOfPisa/

    • Replies: @Jiminy
  380. Delta G says:
    @Anon

    I think he died because he was STUPID. This is a very common problem in black males, even those who hold high positions in Government, Academia and Business. Mr Floyd’s stupidity culminated in his repeated criminal acts and ultimately with his addiction to multiple illegal drugs and his life ending overdose using these drugs.

    The facts are no longer important because the Genie is Out of the Bottle. The Lunatics which have been released on Civilization are those who worship their own Cult of Stupidity and Jealousy. The Nefarious Scum of Humanity are those who are responsible for the creation and now use of the Cult of Stupidity and Jealousy as they are the self Appointed High Priest of the Cult.

    It is now far past the time when the Genie can be put back into the Bottle and long past the time for Forgiveness and Atonement for the Congregation and Priests of the Cult of Stupidity and Jealousy.
    Humanity and Western Civilization now have the unpleasant task of dealing with this Nefarious Scum if we wish to continue on the path of improvement. I do not believe that Humanity has faced such a challenge in the past and it will be a test of Human Courage and Wisdom to fix this ungodly mess that threatens Civilization’s existence.

  381. FB says: • Website
    @RobbieSmith

    No I don’t ‘agree’ that anything I said was ‘incorrect’…

    There is nothing ‘disingenuous’ about quoting that article you linked to and the express proviso that there is no such thing as A MINIMUM FATAL DOSE…

    That important point of PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE was also stressed by our own doctor here…

    The simple takeaway is that this kind of nonsense where you claim he died of overdose because his blood level was a certain number is just plain bullshit…

    No doctor is going to agree with that…

    • Replies: @RobbieSmith
  382. This is obviously a manufactured event like the fake mass shootings for the anti-gun campaign. But it’s in the opposite direction. Instead of pushing for more law and order it’s pushing for less.

    I wish I could find a theory that explains why there are always a small minority of people who can immediately see the lies for what they are. What is different about the people who can immediately, in a flash or gestalt, know right away that it’s a lie? What characteristics are there in their genotype or phenotype as Konrad Lorenz would frame it?

    Two books are now on the way to me in my ongoing quest to understand what is it that makes “ordinary” people so susceptible to the brainwashing of the schools, media, etc.: Festinger’s Cognitive Dissonance and Canetti’s Crowds and Power. Will they help me understand this? What else should I be reading?

    The Floyd-Chauvin story was on a holiday weekend, Memorial Day, with Independence Day up soon. The three rookie officer had bodycams but no bodycam was released. Three anonymous bystanders provided the videos which had no shake or jitter, and remarkably clear audio of Floyd saying he can’t breathe when his mouth is under the wheel well from at least 10 feet away. No noise or camera motion. Wow! Perfect video from anonymous bystanders. I can’t make a 20-second video with a cell phone without large camera motions. How did all three manage to do that?

    And the vanity license plate POLICE. And Chauvin with no lapel microphone looking straight at the camera as he murdered someone. It was all just way too perfect. But just like with the Wuhan Flu the vast majority of people believe everything they see and hear.

    A tiny minority of people saw immediately that the story they were telling was impossible. What is it that caused those people to see through the lie?

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  383. @animalogic

    You are oversimplifying metabolism. Different people have different metabolic rates, and absorb the same chemical differently. Time is definitely a factor, but so is genetics.
    https://medlineplus.gov/metabolicdisorders.html

    It is not only “drugs”, it is food, which in and of itself is a form of drug, because the body doesn`t recognize the food, it recognizes the chemicals. The sugar in an apple is processed the same way as the sugar in a chocolate bar, but the speed and efficacy of each body processing it will be different, and different again if there is an allergy involved. People have food allergies and drug allergies and they are, indeed, quite common, it is just that we do not recognize them. Therefore, an overdose can “hide for 20 minutes” in more people than you think.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  384. @FB

    “No I don’t ‘agree’ that anything I said was ‘incorrect’…”

    Just one example-

    Me: [cites statewide study] “The average overdosage is 10 ng/mL…”

    You: “…although the median peripheral blood concentrations have tended to be about 10–20 ng/mL…”. That’s NOT what you ‘quoted’ above… and is in fact DOUBLE the numbers you ‘quote’…”.

    So, you took one study, and then just used the high end to assert that is was double the study I provided.

    And, I already caught you making facts up in post #356.

    • Replies: @FB
  385. FB says: • Website

    Wow…this ‘author’ is a complete science ILLITERATE…

    That is a little like saying that someone died because their parachute didn’t open, and the weight of their backpack also contributed to the fall. But they die from the fall once they hit the ground, whether it’s at 120 mph or 122 mph.

    It’s true, that in this analogy, the extra weight makes the jumper hit the ground a little sooner.

    No…actually it doesn’t…and this is GRADE SCHOOL PHYSICS…

    The acceleration of gravity on the surface of the earth is 9.8 meters per second squared…or 32.2 feet per second squared…

    The mass of the falling object is irrelevant…

    I guess this ‘author’ must have been home sick on the day Galileo’s famous experiment at the Leaning Tower of Pisa was covered…

    [MORE]

    Between 1589 and 1592,[1] the Italian scientist Galileo Galilei (then professor of mathematics at the University of Pisa) is said to have dropped two spheres of different masses from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass, according to a biography by Galileo’s pupil Vincenzo Viviani, composed in 1654 and published in 1717.

    And this guy screws it into his head that he’s going to write about forensic medicine…?😂 😂 😂

    Fatal Fentanyl: A Forensic Analysis

    Right…what a fucking howler…

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  386. FB says: • Website
    @RobbieSmith

    Excuse me bullshit artist…

    Your quoted numbers WERE double what was in your own link…

    Stop pissing up a rope here and take a break from spamming this discussion…

    • Disagree: RobbieSmith
  387. fnn says:
    @hotdogharry

    Jews who don’t like fellow Jew Ron Unz.

  388. @Contraviews

    And the result will be that those areas in NYC (and in other cities) which have not been burned or looted will go up in smoke.

  389. Jiminy says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I don’t know if you have ever seen the video, but NASA demonstrated what happens when you drop a bowling ball and a feather together at the same time from a height. For something different they did it in a massive vacuum chamber where they test space vehicles. It’s crazy to see a feather and a bowling ball hit the floor at the same time. Even the workers there doing the test were surprised.

  390. SLB says:
    @obwandiyag

    When did police departments start issuing machine guns to officers?

  391. @David riskanalyst

    I have been trying to use the Email a Comment function for several weeks and I can’t,t get it to work on any browser. I have asked for this to be fixed on the open Bugs & Suggestions thread but have received no response. I have just tried again without success.

    Is anyone else having this problem?

  392. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    In litigation-practice, one encounters attorneys who inundate cases with pleadings (complaints, petitions, defenses) bearing myriad untenable allegations, tens of inadequately-supported motions (documents asking the court to render preliminary actions, like rulings suppressing evidence or requiring production of ordinarily-non-discoverable documents, or rulings dismissing pleadings summarily, sundry subpoenas, and thousands of pages of discovery requests and many days of depositions mostly having little or no relevance to any legitimate issue.

    That illegitimate “strategy” seeks to impose on opposing counsel and her client a time, effort, financial, and psychological burden overwhelming enough to induce opposing counsel and her client to settle the case so that the illegitimate-strategy-working attorney and his client will reap a legally-invalid and morally undeserved benefit. John-Paul Leonard’s article is a journalistic parallel of such illegitimate litigation-strategy. His article — and his comment of June 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm GMT (comment # 166) [hereinafter cited as “John-Paul Leonard’s comment”] are rife with false, unsupported, fatally biased, statistically or legally invalid, medically untenable assertions — so many that one’s composure reels as one endeavors even to choose where to begin to deconstruct his toxic verbal dross.

    Respecting Mr. Leonard’s pseudo-medical/pseudo-pharmacological assertions, I shall refer the reader much to The Scalpel’s comments posted under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” Unz Review (7 June 2020) [hereinafter cited as “The Scalpel’s comments”], https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3957894 .

    The Scalpel is a long-time ER physician who was also, I gather, a military physician performing war-battle-field medical duties [see The Scalpel comment of June 10, 2020 at 3:11 pm GMT (comment # 443]. The Scalpel’s comments demolish much of Mr. Leonard’s pseudo-medical/pseudo-pharmacological assertions. I shall not need to supplement much the medical/pharmacological aspects of The Scalpel’s comments.

    [MORE]

    For the reader’s convenience, immediately below are specific date-time-and comment-number cites of The Scalpel’s here-pertinent comments:
    June 8, 2020 at 12:44 am GMT (comment # 6)
    June 8, 2020 at 3:42 am GMT (comment # 21)
    June 8, 2020 at 4:21 am GMT (comment # 27)
    June 8, 2020 at 2:08 pm GMT (comment # 121)
    June 8, 2020 at 8:54 pm GMT (comment # 226)
    June 8, 2020 at 9:27 pm GMT (comment # 237)
    June 9, 2020 at 10:47 am GMT (comment # 323)
    June 9, 2020 at 11:29 am GMT (comment # 325)
    June 9, 2020 at 4:06 pm GMT (comment # 343)
    June 9, 2020 at 4:21 pm GMT (comment # 346)
    June 9, 2020 at 7:21 pm GMT (comment # 369)
    June 9, 2020 at 8:22 pm GMT (comment # 377)
    June 9, 2020 at 8:36 pm GMT (comment # 379)
    June 10, 2020 at 1:29 am GMT (comment # 392
    June 10, 2020 at 5:00 am GMT (comment # 419)
    June 10, 2020 at 12:48 pm GMT (comment # 434)
    June 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm GMT (comment # 439)
    June 10, 2020 at 3:11 pm GMT (comment # 443)
    June 10, 2020 at 6:03 pm GMT (comment # 456)
    * To appreciate those of The Scalpel’s comments, the reader must consider other readers’ comments to which The Scalpel’s comments reply. BELOW, I CITE THE SCALPELS COMMENTS BY COMMENT NUMBER. *

    To minimize the space this comment consumes, except one brief occasion, I shall address only John-Paul Leonard’s comment of June 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm GMT — comment # 166 of this thread. His comment epitomizes the many faults of his article and stresses several of his article’s most egregious flaws; therefore, his comment’s demolition implies the demolition of his article.

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment states: “The molecular weight of norfentanyl is 232.32 g/mol, while fentanyl weighs 336.471 g/mol. As fentanyl is metabolized in the liver it loses a little weight. So to adjust back to the original amount of fentanyl, I multiplied the norfentanyl weight of 5.6 ng by 336.47/232.32 and added them together.”

    Mr. Leonard fails to account the form of fentanyl (pill, powder, fluid) and intake-mode (snorting, pill-swallowing, injection) — which help determine how fast fentanyl reaches the liver. [See also The Scalpel’s comments ## 6, 21, 27, 226, 323, 325, 343, 346, 369, 377, 379.] And Mr. Leonard’s math fails to account metabolism-affecting genetic/biochemical/physiological influences that MUST be accounted.

    A “perfectly” healthy human body (if one exists) is not a mathematical exercise; and two “perfectly” healthy human bodies will not process any certain chemical substance quite the same way. Floyd’s metabolism was, allegedly, affected by non-drug-caused pathologies and also sundry drug-caused pathologies — any of which could have been magnified, or reduced, by the stress of the arrest-situation, especially the cops’ specific behaviors.

    Mr. Leonard does not lend legitimacy to his math with his statement: “fentanyl is metabolized in the liver [and]…loses a little [how much??] weight.” Floyd was a very ill man. His illnesses have affected significantly, his liver’s health. Because of sundry drugs he used and, allegedly, his having suffered Covid-19 infection, likely his illnesses affected liver metabolism.

    If, as one official autopsy report alleges, Floyd had caffeine and cannabinoids in his system and a serum methamphetamine level of 19 ng/mL, his hypothalamus/pituitary/thyroid/adrenal axis’s activity could have altered significantly his liver metabolism. If, as one autopsy alleges, Floyd abused alcohol, his liver may have been compromised, even seriously cirrhotic, and such condition could have altered his liver’s metabolism of fentanyl (if any, actually, was present in Floyd’s system when he suffered the cop’s knee-press choke-hold).

    The medical examiner did not test Floyd’s blood for levels of liver enzymes (especially, but not only, gamma-glutamyl transferase), though the medical examiner tested Floyd’s blood for fentanyl and laid foundation for (invalid) inference that fentanyl was the cause of death. That fault added to the deficiency of the report’s not considering whether methamphetamine, caffeine, cannabinoids, and alcohol-abuse might have borne liver-effects that cut the possibility of fentanyl’s contributing to Floyd’s death, which the medical examiner’s ultimate report called HOMICIDE [see below] — a homicide that could only have been Officer Chauvin’s knee-press choke-hold AND — though the medical examiner’s report failed to acknowledge so — at least one other cop’s applying substantial pressure to Floyd’s chest. [See below.]

    Those considerations are not the only matters that render the medical examiner’s report suspect. [See below.] And those considerations show that Mr. Leonard’s math cannot account either (a) Floyd’s liver’s metabolism of whatever fentanyl-quantity Floyd’s body bore shortly before and during the time he suffered the cops’ knee-press choke-hold and chest-press or (b) the actual fentanyl quantity present in Floyd’s body shortly before or during that same time.

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment states: “Wuok. “Fentanyl offers a particularly potent high but also can shut down breathing in under a minute. …. It is very difficult to tell how long a person is going to survive.”

    See my preceding observations respecting fentanyl and also The Scalpel’s comments ## 6, 21, 27, 226, 323, 325, 343, 346, 369, 377, 379. Mr. Leonard’s and Wouk’s assertions are evidence-free, risibly imprecise, non-proofs of whether, and if so when or to what extent, Floyd ingested, snorted, or injected fentanyl at any time at or after which that drug might explain Floyd’s death. Both the final official autopsy report and an independent private autopsy report indicate that Floyd’s death was HOMICIDE caused by Officers Chauvin and at least one other arresting cop.

    The independent, private Floyd autopsy was conducted by Dr. Allecia M. Wilson, director of autopsy and forensic services at the University of Michigan, and Dr. Michael Baden, previous chief medical examiner of New York City. Drs. Wilson and Baden concluded that Floyd’s death was a homicide that resulted directly from neck-compression caused by police application of a knee-pressure choke-hold — neck-compression that deprived Floyd’s brain of blood and oxygen and his lungs of air. Neither drug-intoxication nor arteriosclerotic/hypertensive heart disease was a comorbidity contributing to Floyd’s death. [See also below.]

    Dr. Baden acknowledged that the pressure was not necessarily visible in the autopsy because by the time any physicians viewed the body, pressure had been released. But he noted abrasions present on the left side of Floyd’s face and shoulder — abrasions that showed Floyd was pressed hard against pavement because of pressure applied to Floyd’s neck and chest. Drs. Baden and Wilson based their cause–and-manner-of-death conclusion on review of all circumstances, including the video evidence and findings of the official autopsy reports, and also their own additional findings. Commenting on the official autopsy findings, Dr. Baden observed that all autopsy reports concluded that Floyd’s death was HOMICIDE caused by the manner of the cops’ subduing Floyd. See and compare these sources:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/george-floyds-autopsy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/
    https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-autopsy-michael-baden.html
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-michael-baden-factors-responsible-george-floyd-death
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-finds-george-floyd-died-by-homicide-caused-by-asphyxia/#970b68a7f8fb
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/independent-autopsy-george-floyd-findings-announced/story?id=70994827

    One source — Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist and CEO of PathologyExpert Inc. — presents an unbiased, critical analysis of the autopsies and autopsy reports. https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913 . A summary follows.

    The Washington Post published a video that captured George Floyd’s first interactions with the police. The video shows two police officers. One talks to Floyd for over two minutes before he tries to remove Floyd from a vehicle. Floyd struggles briefly with both officers and appears nearly to collapse.

    An officer walks Floyd to the wall, Floyd handcuffed behind his back. Floyd’s gait is uneven. Floyd and the officer appear to be engaged in a dialogue as the officer helps Floyd sit against the wall. The officer makes notes in a notepad. The officer lifts Floyd to his feet by pulling up on his arms. Floyd grimaces and turns his face toward the officer. Floyd’s gait is lurching and uneven as two officers walk him across the road to their patrol vehicle, where Floyd falls to the ground.

    Floyd’s gait-disturbance suggests alcohol or drug influence. His grimace suggests that hand-cuffs were too tight or that he feels pain when the officer pulls up on his cuffed arms. Floyd does not appear to be suffering the excited delirium or agitation drug-abuse can cause, or drug-induced hyperthermia leading to sudden death. Floyd is not naked or dressed inappropriately for the weather. He does not appear to be sweating profusely or to be agitated or violent.

    A short bystander-video shows three police officers kneeling on Floyd while another stands at his head. The police appear to be exerting pressure on his neck, torso, left (still handcuffed) arm, and legs. Pressure on the torso can limit chest-rise, and added pressure on other parts of the body can decrease cardiac return (volume of blood coming back from limbs).

    Looking at a longer, unedited bystander-video posted on Facebook, the first thing one notices is that Floyd’s voice sounds gravelly, and he repeatedly says, “I can’t breathe.” EMS and police are sometimes trained that anyone who says “I can’t breathe” is lying — because if you can speak, you can breathe. Not true. Many other reasons can explain why people SAY “I can’t breathe” and still be in medical distress — e.g., increasing fatigue of respiratory muscles, blockage of pulmonary blood flow, incomplete airway obstruction, (blood) acidosis that triggers increased breathing-rate and causes a sensation of shortness of breath.

    At the start of that same video, Floyd loses bladder function — which can be a sign of medical distress. Floyd mentions “the knee in my neck,” a coherent statement, not the grunting and screaming we typically hear in cases of death resulting from excited delirium. Officer Chauvin has his knee pressed on Floyd’s neck. You can see that Chauvin is applying pressure to the part of Floyd’s anatomy that bears the carotid arteries and jugular veins. Floyd appears to become unresponsive. He stops talking; his eyes close; his face is still. Bystanders start noticing this. An officer checks Floyd’s pulse. Chauvin’s knee does not come off Floyd’s neck until over 3 minutes after Floyd first seems to have gone unconscious.

    Following a press conference concerning the private autopsy, Dr. Baden admitted that portions of Floyd’s organs were missing and that he didn’t have access to results of toxicology testing. Soon after, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a press release, and subsequent to that, the full autopsy report, which indicated that the cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression, and that the manner of death was HOMICIDE.

    The report listed arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine-use as other significant conditions contributing to death. That means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the restraint he suffered while in police custody — restraint that caused asphyxia from neck compression — asphyxia caused by the brain’s lacking oxygen, because of airway obstruction, breathing-restriction caused by compression of neck or chest, or cerebral blood-flow prevention caused by collapsing a carotid artery or jugular vein.

    Online sources imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd’s death by calling it a “heart attack.” “Cardiopulmonary arrest” is not a heart attack. Asphyxia may involve oxygen-supply depletion or excess carbon dioxide or carbon dioxide’s replacing blood-oxygen — hence cardiopulmonary arrest.

    Like the official autopsy reports, the death certificate’s states “other significant conditions,” e.g., heart disease, presence of drugs, and alcohol-abuse. “[But those conditions]…do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.”
    [End of summary of opinion of Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist]

    So, both the official medical examiner and Drs. Baden and Wilson concluded that Floyd’s death was HOMICIDE. But the medical examiner fudged the case with suggestions of comorbidities. Not infrequently, medical examiners slant findings to protect police from legal liability. Federal and state court reports bear many decisions that hold so. Every honest criminal law attorney and any honest judge will agree. Cf., e.g., https://researchgate.net/publication/320318648_Quantifying_underreporting_of_law-enforcement-related_deaths_in_United_States_vital_statistics_and_news-media-based_data_sources_ AND https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/george-floyds-autopsy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

    The official autopsy reports’ imprecision permits a biased reviewer to suggest, invalidly, that Floyd’s death was caused partly by “significant conditions” other than the conduct of the police — “natural” comorbidities (arteriosclerotic heart disease and hypertensive heart disease) and exogenous potentially toxic substances (Fentanyl 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL, Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL, 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL, Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL, Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL, Cotinine, and Caffeine. But, as appears below AND because all autopsy reports’ concluded that Floyd’s death was HOMICIDE, such “other significant conditions” cannot excuse the police from criminal liability for killing Floyd.

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment states: “Franz. You make some interesting points. I do note the police may not have acted perfectly or with perfect knowledge – but who does? Don’t drug addicts bear any of the responsibility for their fate?” Those assertions are both legally and morally invalid.

    Officer Chauvin and at least one other cop disregarded, flagrantly, several clear signs that their conduct threatened Floyd’s life [see preceding & following discussions of video evidence], and:
    (a) The record, even including the local medical examiner’s reports, does not support a conclusion that any comorbidity DID contribute to Floyd’s death. See again https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/george-floyds-autopsy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/ AND https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-two-autopsies-of-george-floyd-arent-as-different-as-they-seem/
    (b) The police committed murder or 1st degree manslaughter irrespective of whether any comorbidity COULD have contributed to Floyd’s death. If you undertake, intentionally, to do a harmful act against a person, you take the victim as he is — with whatever may be his physical condition, known or unknown to you. If death is a foreseeable result of the harmful act and you do the act with “depraved heart” or with “depraved indifference” to or “reckless disregard” of foreseeability that the act may be deadly, you commit felony homicide — murder, felony murder, or 1st degree manslaughter. Cf., e.g., https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-criminallaw/chapter/9-5-second-degree-murder/
    addressing law generally in the United States AND https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141
    addressing Minnesota law.

    No sane person can argue honestly that the Floyd-killing police’s arrest tactics were not harmful, since, at least they pressed Floyd hard at the ground and caused him discernible injury. Even an official autopsy report stated:
    “Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip”
    AND
    “Mucosal injuries of the lips”
    https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf?la=en&hash=1DD37B049B99FAE35949ADD1D04331BD45A86D01

    [The same report asserted: “No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae” and “No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries.” Those assertions are suspect vis-a-vis the same report’s statement of presence of “Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip” and “Mucosal injuries of the lips.” That inconsistency is consistent with an inference that the medical examiner(s) colored findings so the police (and police department) would not suffer law-violation accusations. See above.]

    Though all sane, honest people must concede that SOMETIMES police may need to use harmful tactics to apprehend a person legitimately suspected of having committed a crime, still, police may not use UNNECESSARY force, especially when, foreseeably, that force may be deadly. Police choke-holds have been deadly or near-fatal in more than a few cases. In several comments, the Scalpel accounted pertinent data. See The Scalpel’s comments ## 393, 419, 434, 439, 456, 472. Hence, in Floyd’s case, death was a foreseeable result.

    Such is especially true in Floyd’s case, because such choke-hold was applied by one cop while extreme chest-pressure was applied by other cops. Drs. Baden and Wilson said THE Floyd cause-of-death was COMPRESSION OF FLOYD’S NECK AND BACK. Just so, such choke-holds are banned in quite enough jurisdictions. And, in Minneapolis, before the Floyd murder, such choke-hold was allowed ONLY WHEN REASONABLY NECESSARY. In Floyd’s case, such choke hold, and severe chest-pressure, were CLEARLY UNNECESSARY, because Floyd was unarmed (as even the cops and local law enforcement authority admitted) and Floyd did not resist arrest. See, e.g.,
    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501073-floyds-friend-says-he-did-not-resist-arrest
    https://www.cbs58.com/news/surveillance-video-does-not-support-police-claims-that-george-floyd-resisted-arrest
    https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/man-pinned-down-by-minneapolis-police-officer-dies.html
    https://fox6now.com/2020/06/05/witness-george-floyd-didnt-resist-arrest-tried-to-defuse-things/

    Since Floyd was neither armed nor resisting arrest, in some jurisdictions, the Floyd-killing cops would be guilty of (a) “depraved indifference” murder (2nd degree murder) or (b) “reckless disregard” murder (3rd degree murder) or “reckless disregard” manslaughter (1st degree manslaughter), because Floyd’s death was a foreseeable consequence the cops’ intended, unnecessary harm. In Minnesota, Floyd’s killing is 3rd degree murder called “depraved heart” murder. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141 [Around 6 June (2020), the Minnesota Attorney General upped the charge from 3rd degree to 2nd degree murder. I have no opinion respecting whether the AG’s action was legitimate.]

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment states:

    Regarding “I don’t understand why they held him down so long,” I have puzzled about that too. A banal possibility is that Chauvin wasn’t putting enough weight on the neck to hurt Floyd, so he saw no harm in erring on the side of restraining until the ambulance arrives.
    * * *
    George says, “he was on the pavement being crushed.”
    It’s hard to tell from the videos how much weight was being used. This knee hold is not supposed to use much weight.
    https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-cops-put-their-knees-on-the-back-of-people’s-necks-even-when-it-is-not-necessary
    * * *
    Floyd seems to be complaining about the restraint. But in the state he was in, he may not have been clear about whether his pain was from police restraint, or from the onset of respiratory collapse from the overdose.

    Mr. Leonard presents no competent evidence — even no actual evidence of ANY quality — that can support Mr. Leonard’s divination that “in the state he [Floyd] was in, he [Floyd] may not have been clear about whether his pain was from police restraint, or from the onset of respiratory collapse from the overdose. Mr. Leonard does not present evidence indicating “overdose.” No such EVIDENCE exists. Mr. Leonard presents only biased assertion and specious surmise.

    In this video

    , one sees that Officer Chauvin is not merely putting his knee and shin on Floyd’s neck. Chauvin’s leg, hips, and torso are moving up and down and his hips and torso are torquing and leaning left to right. At about 1:14, the same video shows Floyd apparently unconscious, but Chauvin continues, nonchalantly, to exert pressure on Floyd’s deck. At about 1:29, cops start trying to move Floyd. Floyd is utterly limp, clearly unconscious, apparently lifeless. Actually, or near-certainly, Floyd died at the scene of arrest.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/independent-autopsy-george-floyd-findings-announced/story?id=70994827
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-findings-released-monday/5307185002/
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-finds-george-floyd-died-by-homicide-caused-by-asphyxia/#2602a5de7f8f
    Through much of the video, until Floyd appears to become unconscious, Floyd begs the cops to let up, says he cannot breathe, tries to move his head & shoulders so he will suffer less pressure wrought by Chauvin’s “technique.” When Floyd pleads and moves, Chauvin increases pressure. Cf. video analysis of Judy Melinek, MD, forensic pathologist, summarized above.

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment states:

    The pattern in these cases is the police are not doing anything that would normally lead to death, and they are not expecting the person to die suddenly.
    * * *
    So the weight depends on how strongly the suspect is resisting.

    (1) A helpless victim, like Floyd, is not responsible for trying to resist a cop’s flagrant disregard of the victims critically moribund condition. (a) See above, discussion of “depraved heart,” “depraved indifference,” and “reckless disregard” murder or manslaughter. (b) If one’s morals do not accord with that law, one’s morals are gravely defective.
    (2) Because MY comment is already the longest I have posted, ever, anywhere, I shall rebut the immediately preceding John-Paul Leonard quote by referencing my comment of June 10, 2020 at 9:48 pm GMT (comment # 470) posted under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” Unz Review (7 June 2020), https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3957894 .Under the same Fred Reed article, The Scalpel posted several medical observations that rebut the immediately preceding John-Paul Leonard quote. My comment of June 10, 2020 at 9:48 pm GMT (comment # 470) posted under Fred Reed’s same article treats the matter from a perspective of physics and the experience of martial artists who defend against various choke-holds.

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment and his article suggest that Floyd caused, or justified, his death by being, allegedly, a drug-addict and counterfeiter who had a criminal record involving at least one violent felony — as if society ought applaud cops for “protecting” society by ridding one more “worthless,” “criminal” Black. THAT is the mentality of lynch mobs. John-Paul Leonard and like-minded readers try to justify that mentality with invalid, unreliable, and analytically worthless (though bigotry-useful) “statistics,” like this:

    RobbieSmith wrote, “In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.” A 7 to 1 ratio. “Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. ”
    Yes. If you consider that the USA has about 800,000 policemen, and 42 million blacks, then if the same numbers are getting killed on each side, it’s 50 times riskier for the smaller side.

    Because of the length of this comment, I shall refute John-Paul Leonard comment’s and article’s last-above-noted toxic flaws by referencing comments I posted under other, earlier Unz Review articles written by other authors.
    RE: The legal and moral irrelevance of Floyd’s alleged drug and alcohol abuse and past criminal conduct, see my comment of June 9, 2020 at 11:08 pm GMT (comment # 387) posted under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor” (linked shortly above). That comment addresses also the matter that while Unz Review’s bigoted authors and readers suggest, psychopathically, that Floyd’s killers ought be excused because of Floyd’s criminal or drug-abuse history, the same readers & authors do not account the law-violating histories of at least three of the killer police.
    RE: John-Paul Leonard’s and various readers’ flagrantly specious uses of raw “statistical” data and invalid percentage-numbers, see my comments #236 and #401 posted under the same Fred Reed article, All Races Suffer from Police Violence, 3 June 2020)
    AND under Paul Craig Roberts’s article “All Races Suffer from Police Violence,” https://www.unz.com/proberts/all-races-suffer-from-police-violence/#comment-3949098 , see my comment #14,
    AND Under Ron Unz’s article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/ , see my comments #221 and #151, #158, #160, #161, #168, #170, #172, and #184 as corrected by #186.

  393. @Curmudgeon

    I don’t deny that digestion & metabolism etc make such a situation even more complex.
    However, the whole OD issue is almost a red herring.
    Floyd made it pretty clear to everyone that he was suffering some kind of physical distress — the police knew that, they called the EMS twice.
    But given this the police still apply extreme restraint. Actually, the police man on Floyd’s back may have contributed more than the “neck” officer — depending on where & how much pressure he applied.
    All of Floyd’s various physical problems will, if the 4 are convicted, mitigate at the sentencing stage.
    The general rule is, you take victims as you find them.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  394. @Loup-Bouc

    You may have pointed accurately to deficiencies in the article but, given your knowledge of the relevant law of homicide and the all important “beyond reasonable doubt” would you give us the benefit of your analysis in case a jury believed
    1.Chauvin use restraint techniques that were taught by his police department and, from his experience had never caused serious harm;
    2. Death would not have occurred but for Floyd’s co- morbiditrs and drug taking;
    3.That belief in the inference from Floyd talking to his not suffering any dangerous breathing problem was genuine on the part of the police?

    • Agree: John-Paul Leonard
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Loup-Bouc
  395. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wow…the unfortunate retard, Blizzard of Shnozz has to waltz in and take the idiot prize…

    Try thinking this through Shnozz…if I was to stand on your stupid little chicken neck, what would you say…?

    ‘More Please…?’

    No…you would keep protesting and wheezing until you konked out, wouldn’t you…?

    So how the fuck is anyone supposed to think everything’s *okay* as you wheeze your way to your last breath…?

    How on earth is that supposed to make sense…?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  396. Loup-Bouc says:
    @animalogic

    You perceive correctly the conduct of the police, per law and per morality.

    But you err here: “All of Floyd’s various physical problems will, if the 4 are convicted, mitigate at the sentencing stage.” Floyd’s “physical problems” cannot be a premise of sentence mitigation.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  397. @FB

    Well you will never learn civilised manners but, just to demonstrate what kind of civil response might be made to your incontinently stupid eruption I note that the response to someone saying he couldn’t breathe that talking proved he could breathe OK has been mentioned several times on UR threads about Floyd and, indeed, I think was recorded as said by the police involved. So…. as you missed the point: it is possible for a jury to believe that the police thought the ability to talk was enough evidence.
    Of course it is not as anyone can show by using just a very small amount of trapped air to wheeze out the words “I can’t breathe”. That is quite compatible with constricted breathing.
    Got it? Try switching the brain on..

  398. @FB

    *You’re not a doctor*

    I’m not treating anyone either.
    What this type of analysis requires is doing research and drawing logical conclusions.
    You could do that too, but by now I’m virtually certain that the data you need does not exist.
    If it did exist, you would triumphantly state your case and not worry about wearing a white coat.
    Several have tried that already but they have all failed. Mostly due to comparing apples and oranges.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @FB
  399. If Saint George Floyd was White, the (((White-replacement media vermin))) would either ignore it, or create the impression that his death was unfortunate but he was asking for it.

    And if Saint George was White, (((media shysters))) would look up & fawn all over the terrorized Latina who had a gun shoved in her stomach by Saint George as he broke into her home with several of his goon homies.

    But the thug was Black, so the terrorized Latina doesn’t get to tell her story on global TV.

  400. @FB

    FB – a complete science ILLITERATE – falling in a vacuum

  401. @David riskanalyst

    “I wish I could find a theory that explains why there are always a small minority of people who can immediately see the lies for what they are. What is different about the people who can immediately, in a flash or gestalt, know right away that it’s a lie?”

    I’m not exactly sure why “it” is, but effectively perhaps it’s analogous to having an “ear” for musical pitch: some can discern (perfect pitch) things to which others are deaf.

    • Replies: @John-Paul Leonard
  402. ICANREAD says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    MEDIAN(39.4, 22.7, 16.5, 17, 53.3, 162.3, 123.1, 36.3, 51.3, 27, 64.3, 7.9, 65.9)= 39.4

    Not that different. Note that person was tested 28.5 hours after arriving at the hospital. Fetanyl has an 8-10 hour half life. Think about that…

    George went “to the hospital too late to respond to naloxone.” because someone decided to brutally restrain him for over 8 minutes, to the extent that the crowd saw him die. Your arguments are circular and incorrect. He did not die of a drug overdose. He was not unconscious, he had an altered affect. He most certainly did not have three times the “highest dose survived of 4.6 ng/mL”. Your comments about norfentanyl are also not persuasive…all that means is that he took the original dose within the last few hours. Do you think all the cases in the literature were of people who had fentanyl a few minutes before getting medical attention?

    The two people who died in https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/pdfs/mm6604a4.pdf , one was a male in his 70s, the other a woman in her 30s. In both cases, they likely had no experience with opiates. (One of the points of the paper). Fentanyl morbidity is not a simple dose-response, or LD50 . It depends on your tolerance, and means of ingestion. See https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/15563650.2016.1157722 where people died immediately (little or no norfentanyl).

    Thank you for your appreciation of my ideals. I hope you can learn how to do better research before writing an article next time, and perhaps you can imagine a world where cops focus on protection of all…even former coworkers.

    • Disagree: anti_barabas_ite
  403. @Anon

    He had covid 19 in april.
    so nope.

    besides meth, he was on illegal designer drug, from of all places wuhan china,
    furanylfentanyl

    causes many ODs and causes wooden chest syndrome.

    TA-DA!

  404. @R.C.

    Furanyl Fentanyl, is so dangerous that it can kill when someone touches it. That’s what he was on.

    • Agree: anti_barabas_ite
  405. anon[165] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anon

    FYI–The Libertarian Institute brought this up weeks ago in its Facebook.

    There is a strange lack of official curiosity about who was responsible for Floyd’s drug overdose.

  406. Its wonderful the way John Paul Leonard has sorted out this matter. I urge all readers to support him by buying a book from his radical, post-9/11 publishing house http://www.progressivepress.com/home

  407. 5skin says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Must have been a pretty terrible drug peddler to have to use a fake $20 to buy cigarettes.

    I appreciate this article, but it really doesn’t matter. It’s 2020 – the truth no longer matters.

    • Replies: @anti_barabas_ite
  408. Biff says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    The media establishment, black lives matter, and a bunch of goons are jumping up and down and screeching “Racism! , and you seem to have the need to “pile on” and feed the hysteria with your shtick. You may think you are bringing balance and reason to the issue, but most others will never see it that way, and the result is just more screeching and seething.

    You won’t win simply because “you don’t know all the facts” “you weren’t there” and “nobody in their right mind should trust any of the autopsies from George Floyd or Jeffrey Epstein”.

  409. Ahoy says:

    Why put a question mark on a certainty. Be careful Mr. Leonard, we need you, you have a good pen. Using names like Y. B. Yeats you may be branded as a nazi, white supremacist and the scum of the earth Antifas will come after you.

  410. @Psych RN

    Nice attempt at a strawman argument. Nobody knelt on Floyd’s back. Nobody knelt on his neck, either. Psych techs use a form of pinning in which they lay their entire weight on a person’s back and pin the neck with a forearm, often with the assistance of another psych tech.

    That method can cause restriction of breathing while also compressing the carotid artery and/or the jugular vein. Knee pinning the neck of a person can, and usually is done with much less harm than the pinning done by psych techs. The knee on the neck doesn’t restrict breathing and it isn’t kneeling because the weight of the person doing the pinning is supported almost entirely on the other knee which is on the ground or the floor as the case may be.

    “It’s been well known for a long time, at least in the healthcare professions, but I believe in law enforcement too, that restraining someone in a prone position, especially with pressure on their back or neck, even light pressure, is seriously life threatening.”

    That is nonsense. If that was the case, psych techs acting under the direction of you and your fellow nurses would have killed enough of your patients to have caused a huge number of lawsuits. Your technicians not only restrain patients in the prone position for as long as it takes to get them under control, you also simultaneously inject them with drugs that act on the central nervous system and can depress respiratory function.

    Using your usual techniques, you would have been as likely to kill Floyd if he was under your care.

  411. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @ICANREAD

    “claiming to be”

  412. @Hypnotoad666

    “What’s new, shocking and depressing is that no one of any note on the entire right side of the political spectrum is honest and brave enough to speak the truth. ”

    True, and that illustrates the lie contained in the left-right paradigm. If the extreme left wing is exemplified by Stalin and the extreme right wing is exemplified by Hitler, then it’s obvious that we’re flying on a collectivist airplane.

  413. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    *You’re not a doctor*

    I’m not treating anyone either.

    Excuse me, sir…

    What you’re doing is called giving A MEDICAL OPINION…

    Specifically a cause of death…last time I checked, that requires a medical degree and being a qualified medical examiner…otherwise, it is called HOT AIR…

    What this type of analysis requires is doing research and drawing logical conclusions.

    No…at the very LEAST…it requires TALKING to a qualified pathologist and trying to get the basic facts straight…

    THAT would be called JOURNALISM…

    Look…how ridiculously stupid does one need to be to try to undertake a *TECHNICAL* analysis on a very technical subject, medicine, without having any qualifications whatsoever…?

    You don’t even know elementary school physics about falling objects that most sixth-grade kids could answer correctly…

    What you’ve produced here is a joke, man…nothing more, nothing less…

    I can understand a would-be pundit writing about the Floyd case in general terms, such as his past criminal convictions, his ongoing substance abuse…and perhaps passing moral judgement along the lines of ‘well, he was just a no-good scumbag, so good riddance’…

    But when you start yapping about technical matters of medicine, then you have entered into very clear-cut PROFESSIONAL territory where any sensible person would say…’wait a minute, do I have any business giving what amounts to a medical opinion…?’

    Just as one key example…you claim that there is a ‘lethal dose’ of a certain level and that Floyd was over that ‘magic number’…yet that is not what experts say, who say very clearly and unanimously that there is no such thing as a particular dosage that is lethal…

    An emergency physician who comments here and actually deals with fentanyl overdose cases has argued the issue here with laymen like yourself who think they are qualified to argue this subject…and he says quite the opposite of your made up ‘facts’…

    That kind of egregious factual mistake should tell you that you have no business attempting TECHNICAL writing about fentanyl or giving a medical opinion…

    I was interested in finding out more about this ‘author’ John-Paul Leonard…

    A quick search for this name finds a publishing outfit called Progressive Press…run by yourself, apparently…

    Presumably you…

    On the ‘blog’ section of your website, there is a rambling, incoherent ‘article’ about George Floyd and the fentanyl ‘overdose’ issue…

    Death Rides a Fast Horse – a Black Life Shattered by Dope

    It’s full of pseudo-medical nonsense like this…

    Floyd suffered from hypertension and heart disease. There is a link between drug overdoses and heart attacks. An overdose of methamphetamine can cause a heart attack.

    ‘Fatal overdoses of fentanyl usually result from respiratory collapse, although the drug’s capacity to depress central nervous system activity can cause other dangerous or deadly side effects, including brain damage due to oxygen deprivation, heart attack, or organ failure.’

    Respiratory collapse = “I can’t breathe”?

    Yeah…that’s real brilliant, right there…are you planning to submit that to the New England Journal of Medicine…?

    So you googled ‘respiratory collapse’ and that now makes you an ‘expert’…?

    Not only that, but you apparently are even incapable of doing simple arithmetic…you write this in your ‘article’ here on UNZ…

    This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL [sic]

    That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.

    This is the graphic you ran with your ‘story’…

    A commenter here pointed out that summing the quantities of norfentanyl metabolite with the fentanyl, added up to 16.6 ng/ml…not 20.6…

    You responded thus…

    The molecular weight of norfentanyl is 232.32 g/mol, while fentanyl weighs 336.471 g/mol.

    As fentanyl is metabolized in the liver it loses a little weight. So to adjust back to the original amount of fentanyl, I multiplied the norfentanyl weight of 5.6 ng by 336.47/232.32 and added them together.

    BUT…5.6 times 336.47/232.32 equals 8.1…adding that to the 11 ng/ml of fentanyl level gives 19.1…NOT 20.6…

    So…let us briefly recap…you don’t understand elementary school physics about mass not affecting the speed of freefall due to gravity…

    You then ‘calculate’ a new number from the autopsy numbers reported…but the grade three arithmetic does not even add up…

    Does all this sound about right…?

    Now here is the thing you should be aware of as a ‘publisher’…people don’t like their intelligence insulted…when you talk to us about very technical things involving medicine, we expect you to know something about the subject…

    That’s called RESPECTING THE READER…

    PS…what are your thoughts about recreational marijuana use…?

    It would seem like a fair question, since you have decided to write about drugs…

    • Agree: Loup-Bouc
    • Disagree: RobbieSmith
  414. @MasterKass

    It does look like a consensus that ingesting 2-3 mg is a fatal dose, and it seems funny that only about 3 percent of that dose is present in Floyd’s system. Where did it all go?

  415. @Loup-Bouc

    Floyd’s physical issues MAY mitigate — to the degree that it can be argued that a reasonable police person in the circumstances could not/may not have realised the actual kind & degree of his physical problems. Whether such mitigation will succeed is another issue.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Loup-Bouc
  416. @FB

    Are you raging at being house bound? What vast overstatement of a small point. So an investigative journalist with no professional medical qualifications has sought to put together relevant stuff from stated sources (much better sources than would have been available to him without expert advice before the Internet) and to draw logical conclusions from that. You might well say that it probably ranks for authority with a third year medical student’s article in the Med school student journal. But you can’t deny that it has generated a respectable volume of Comment even from people like yourself who don’t try to be constructive or add anything.

    • Agree: John-Paul Leonard
    • Replies: @FB
  417. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous1963

    Maybe and maybe not. At least the one White officer (married to Hmong) does look to be screwed. But the same was said about the Duke Lacrosse team rape (hoax) defendants. The same was said about officer Wilson in Ferguson MO, the Same was said about George Zimmerman with Saint Trayvon Martin.

    The LA police officers who beat the severely drunk and disorderly Black career criminal Rodney King. The jury correctly found the officers innocent, but the (worst President in my lifetime) George HW Bush Sr. used his Justice Department to retry the officers on trumped up Federal Civil Rights charges (double jeopardy).

    The best way to handle these nation wide, fake news media witch hunts, crucifixion of set White racist political prisioners. Is to drag things out, let the eye of the Zio Media go to something else some new Jussie Smollet hate crime hoax. Get your story off the cable news.

    if things go well and the officer(s) are found not guilty – disappear, consider a name change and moving to some other country. Lots of places like the Dominican Republic are fine with White Americans who’ve been screwed by BRA.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  418. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Look Idiot…

    When I need to hear from a congenitally retarded softhead, I’ll let you know, okay…?

    Now go back to your daily Shnozz before your caregiver finds you wandering around in your Depends again…capish…?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  419. Loup-Bouc says:

    No. I notice that your pseudonym, animalogic, lack’s the “l” of “logic,” so that you have “animal”-“ogic” not “animal-logic,” and hence lack “logic.”

    Since Chauvin will be charged inter alia for “depraved heart” 3rd degree murder, he will be charged and convicted quite exactly on the premise that he acted with “depraved heart.” His heart was “depraved” because he disregarded, flagrantly, both the gravity of Floyd’s condition and also the foreseeability that a knee-press choke-hold would kill Floyd. Read my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399). AND SEE https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html AND https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195 .

    I do not mean that Chauvin’s disregarding, flagrantly, Floyd’s condition would not, itself, be enough to support a “depraved heart” murder charge; it would, itself, be enough. I mean that Chauvin’s ‘depraved heart” crime was worse (“aggravated”) because of the general foreseeability that a knee-press choke-hold would kill a victim. Read my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399).

    Or, if the Attorney General adheres to his announcement that he would charge 2nd degree murder, very likely the charge would be a species of “felony murder”: killing a person during the commission of a felony, in Floyd’s (or Chauvin”s) case, killing Floyd while committing, e.g.,
    (a) a felony deprivation of civil rights (see, e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 242). RE: felony violation of civil rights, see
    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43830.pdf AND
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=249384 AND https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/police/uspo33.htm
    OR
    (b) 1st degree or 3rd degree assault. SEE https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.221 AND https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.223 (such crimes being lesser included offenses of 2nd degree murder of 3rd degree “depraved heart” murder).
    Minnesota has rejected the independent felony rule that requires that the underlying felony be separate from the murder. The Minnesota Attorney General appears to be premising a 2nd degree murder charge on the theory that Chauvin killed Floyd in the process of committing a felony assault (1st degree or 3rd degree assault). SEE https://thedispatch.com/p/explaining-the-new-second-degree
    If Chauvin is charged for such 2nd degree murder, he can be charged also for the lesser included crime of 3rd degree “depraved heart” murder or manslaughter or felony assault. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.04

    RE: felony murder, see again https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html AND SEE https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19 But note that although the the “felony murder” 2nd-degree-murder charge does not allege that the accused intended the victim’s death, the underlying felony MAY BE a crime of “depraved heart” or “reckless disregard” of probable death.

    One interesting question: If the 2nd degree murder charge does not involve a hate-crime (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 242 race-hate-crime) allegation but only an allegation that Chauvin’s underlying felony was a felony assault (which does not require “depraved heart” or even “reckless disregard” of foreseeable grave harm of the victim), will THEN Chauvin be able to obtain sentence-mitigation because “understandably” he did not appreciate the likelihood that Floyd would die.

    If the answer is affirmative, the fault will lie in the stupidity of the Attorney General or the local prosecutor— the stupidity of obtaining a preliminary court-ruling that the jury could not consider the underlying felony (assault) a lesser included offense of which the jury could convict, rather than convict Chauvin of “depraved heart” murder. Such is why I would charge only 3rd degree “depraved heart” murder or premise a 2nd degree felony murder charge on a felony race-hate-crime (e.g. violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242 or a similar Minnesota criminal law.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Loup-Bouc
    , @Anon
  420. JeffF says:
    @Herald

    If that would help calm the rioting and violence, you could easily get hundreds of thousands of volunteers to do that, including me

  421. Loup-Bouc says:
    @animalogic

    See my comment of June 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm GMT (comment # 426). That comment was intended to reply to your comment to which this comment replies. But that intent does not show with the usual “@animalogic” reference.

  422. Loup-Bouc says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Your crime-and-race “statistics” are merely raw figures, even include mere law-enforcement-agency estimates, Such data cannot support the conclusions you push, invalidly and because of your bigotry.

    See near the close of my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (this thread’s comment # 399). Start with this language (of comment # 399):

    [MORE]

    John-Paul Leonard’s comment and his article suggest that Floyd caused, or justified, his death by being, allegedly, a drug-addict and counterfeiter who had a criminal record involving at least one violent felony — as if society ought applaud cops for “protecting” society by ridding one more “worthless,” “criminal” Black. THAT is the mentality of lynch mobs. John-Paul Leonard and like-minded readers try to justify that mentality with invalid, unreliable, and analytically worthless (though bigotry-useful) “statistics,” like this:

    RobbieSmith wrote, “In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.” A 7 to 1 ratio. “Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. ”
    Yes. If you consider that the USA has about 800,000 policemen, and 42 million blacks, then if the same numbers are getting killed on each side, it’s 50 times riskier for the smaller side.

    AND read my other comments to which, near its close, the above-referenced comment # 399 refers — my other comments posted under
    (a) Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” Unz Review (7 June 2020), https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3957894
    (b)Paul Craig Roberts’s article “All Races Suffer from Police Violence,” https://www.unz.com/proberts/all-races-suffer-from-police-violence/#comment-3949098
    (c) Ron Unz’s article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

  423. FB says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    You may be the FIRST person I put on the ‘ignore this commenter’ list…

    You NEVER use the ‘reply’ so your so called replies NEVER LET US SEE THE COMMENT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO…

    And to make things even worse, you never use ‘blockquote’ for text you are responding to…

    I’ve come to the only possible conclusion that you are profoundly fucking retarded…

    And even after wasting valuable time trying to figure out what you just said, and in what context, your thick, dense prose is so leaden that it quickly becomes obvious that trying to decipher your comments is a massive waste of time…

  424. ” . . .. If you consider that the USA has about 800,000 policemen, and 42 million blacks, then if the same numbers are getting killed on each side, it’s 50 times riskier for the smaller side.”

    Well, not exact, and no. The number of officers killed in the line of duty is is not even a percentage point. And when considering death by homicide — even less. The fifty times number is based on a near zero number of such incidents and is misleading – misusing the tat to describe a construct explaining a general condition – save the numbers are just too small to make that case.

    But if we examine overall law enforcement and the use of force, even in the Frye study, it is granted out tat blacks are subject to more excesses.

    As I make very clear, on the issue of systemic use of force the extremes are not the heavy data. i will get through Miss Napatov’s books on this subject eventually, nit sure why I bought them, i was already bought in the argument by previous studies, though she makes it point to examine criminal ajudication of the larger bulk which tells the story of how we as a nation subject blacks to more extrajudicial behavior by government.

    Where ANTIFA and BLM have the upper hand is on the argument of more punishment for backs than whites. It’s their other agendas and avenues to solve where I take issue.

    ————————————

    I appreciate that Mr. Unz permits me to comment here. He’s articles arefamiliar to me via some discussions from TAC, regarding this issue. And we have had some fairly indepth discussions there. Bt let’s take pne of his advocacies

    The Ferguson Effect, which in short says, questioning police behavior has caused police to avoid doing their jobs out of fear o some prosecution. The problem is that the effect doesn’t exist. And worse if it did, one would make the correlation that dropping crime rates across the country in major cities and others — fewer police has not impacted the crime positively as crime rates have dropped regardless of whether they chose not to do their hobs or not.

    Fewer calls by for police as opposed to fewer police responding to calls.

    The data sets in that text are so small and don; come close to the number of cities — large cities in the US.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/has-the-ferguson-effect-finally-been-debunked/502265/
    —————————————

    Laughing. Doing what I said I would avoid further comment on this subject, because my comments are supported by a series of studies from different researchers.

    —————————————

    You cannot have a country built on color construction in every walk of that country’s social structuration for more than 200 years and not have systemic effect.

    It’s a strange time when a conservative such as myself is calling out government abuse and the anti-establishment crowd is defending it.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  425. Loup-Bouc says:
    @animalogic

    This comment supplements my reply-comment of June 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm GMT (comment # 426). That comment’s penultimate paragraph is:

    One interesting question: If the 2nd degree murder charge does not involve a hate-crime (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 242 race-hate-crime) allegation but only an allegation that Chauvin’s underlying felony was a felony assault (which does not require “depraved heart” or even “reckless disregard” of foreseeable grave harm of the victim), will THEN Chauvin be able to obtain sentence-mitigation because “understandably” he did not appreciate the likelihood that Floyd would die.

    That same comment’s final paragraph (comment # 426’s final paragraph) considers possible prosecutorial stupidity: The prosecutor makes felony assault the crime that is the predicate of the felony murder charge. Felony assault is a non-depraved-heart/non-reckless-disregard crime. The prosecutor fails to obtain a ruling that the jury may not treat the predicate assault charge as a lesser included offense. The jury convicts Chauvin for felony assault. Sentence mitigation becomes possible.

    I ought to have added another interesting possibility:

    Assault is the predicate offense, The prosecutor does not dwell on proof of assault. He presses the facts that show “depraved heart,” because the prosecutor pleaded “depraved heart” 3rd degree murder as a lesser included offense.

    The prosecutors proofs show, very dramatically, Chauvin’s actual “depraved heart” conduct. [In my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399), I showed that Chauvin’s conduct WAS, clearly, a “depraved heart” murder of Floyd.]

    The jury finds Chauvin guilty of both felony murder and “depraved heart” 3rd degree murder. Or, if Minnesota does not permit such “double verdict,” either the jury finds Chauvin guilty of felony murder or it finds him guilty of “depraved heart” 3rd degree murder. If the jury finds Chauvin guilty of just felony murder, still the “depraved heart” evidence would remain in the official trial record.

    Then the prosecutor presses that “depraved heart” proof in the prosecutor’s sentencing recommendation and again in the sentencing hearing. The judge would be duty-bound to recognize the dramatic proof that Chauvin murdered Floyed with “depraved heart.” The judge would be duty-bound to render a sentence that accords with that “depraved heart” proof. The judge could not mitigate the sentence.

    If the judge mitigated the sentence to one that did not reflect Chauvin’s “depraved heart” conduct, the state could appeal. Very likely the appellate court would vacate the sentence and order the trial judge to re-sentence Chauvin to a prison term that reflected his “depraved heart” conduct.

    [The U.S. constitution’s double jeopardy clause (U.S. Constitution amendment 5) does not prohibit the a state or the federal government from appealing a tool-lenient sentence. Bozza v. United States, 330 U.S. 160 (1947), and United States v. DiFrancesco, 449 U.S. 117 (1980), https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/449/117 ]

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  426. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    The internet link was missing from my citation of Bozza v. United States, 330 U.S. 160 (1947), cited in the final paragraph of my last-previous comment [my comment of June 23, 2020 at 10:03 pm GMT (comment # 432)]. The link is https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/330/160

  427. @EliteCommInc.

    Correction: Dr. Alexandra Natapoff

    excuse me —

  428. @FB

    You seem to need introduction to the Commenter to Ignore option. Or is that beyond your attention span?

  429. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your inquiry is legitimate. You will find part-answer in
    my comment of June 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm GMT (comment # 426)
    my comment of June 23, 2020 at 10:03 pm GMT (comment # 432)
    my comment of June 23, 2020 at 10:13 pm GMT (comment # 433)

    Otherwise, the considerations are myriad — e.g., these:

    Who are the prosecutor and defense counsel? What are their backgrounds — educational, professional, racial, political, economic……, and is the prosecutor smarter than the defense counsel or defense counsel more unethical than the prosecutor?

    What will be the jury’s composition — age, racial, ethnic, economic class, occupational, education-level, learning-field, intelligence level……..and how many will be women and how many men?

    What questions will the prosecutor and defense counsel ask during jury voir dire (the jury-selection process that involves questioning of prospective jurors)?

    How will local rules and the judge limit the prosecutor’s and defense counsel’s questioning of prospective jurors?

    If the defense counsel asks questions or makes statements that bias prospective jurors toward the defense or mislead prospective jurors respecting the applicable rules of criminal law, evidence, or juror prerogatives, will the judge intervene and undertake corrective measures?

    What will be the judge’s rulings concerning matters of law, evidence, witness competence, propriety or limitation of expert testimony, or mode of witness-examination, admission or use of exhibits…….?

    How will the judge limit opening and closing arguments?

    What will the judge’s jury instructions be, and especially, will the judge (a) explain well to the jury how the jury may consider the charges and (b) instruct the jury thoroughly and effectively that jurors may not engage in “jury nullification” — that a juror may not vote contrary to the law because of her conscience or her political or social views?

    Surely you can appreciate that such matters live beyond the realm of this comment-thread, especially (but not only) because most such considerations depend on events that have not occurred and, much, will not be matters knowable by anyone other than the prosecutor, defense counsel, judge, prospective and selected jurors, and, perhaps, some witnesses — at least until the trial judge renders sentences.

  430. @TheTrumanShow

    “I wish I could find a theory that explains why there are always a small minority of people who can immediately see the lies for what they are. What is different about the people who can immediately, in a flash or gestalt, know right away that it’s a lie?”

    That is a very interesting and actually crucial point.
    Here’s something that seems to have a lot to do with it.
    I believe some people are more inner-directed while others are more followers.
    (Both types can of course be right or wrong at any particular time. However, millions or billions of followers can all be wrong at the same time, and one independent thinker can be right. )
    Some of the people who thought I made a mistake about the speed of falling objects may have been the follower type.
    They remembered something from school about everything falling at the same speed. The trouble with relying on expert knowledge without thinking: they have to rely on memory rather than logic and good sense, and they forgot that the classic formula only holds in a vacuum. I had it right about the skydiver and the backpack.
    So this kind of learning can erase common sense and native wit. Everyone knows a ball falls faster than a balloon, because we don’t live in a vacuum, but people can be blinded to what they know by something they read.
    Following others all the time disables your thinking processes.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @David riskanalyst
  431. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    …the classic formula only holds in a vacuum. I had it right about the skydiver and the backpack.

    Wrong…a vacuum has nothing to do with it…

    The only variable other than the acceleration of gravity, which is CONSTANT everywhere in the universe, due to the universal gravitational constant…is air resistance in the atmosphere…

    That means a very light object that has a lot of surface area, like a feather, can have its acceleration slowed by AIR RESISTANCE…

    That is why the experiment with dropping the weight and the feather was done in a vacuum, in order to use a feather but without air resistance…the vacuum simply removed all the air so there could be no resistance…it has nothing to do with the acceleration of gravity…

    I can explain all of this in much greater detail…including how air resistance works…

    But it now sounds like you have much, much bigger problems than poor old George Floyd…or even the laws of gravity…good luck on your road to mental health recovery…😂 😂 😂

  432. @FB

    “5.6 times 336.47/232.32 equals 8.1…adding that to the 11 ng/ml of fentanyl level gives 19.1…NOT 20.6…”

    That is correct. I caught the error the other day, and am now using 19.1 instead of 20.6. The ratio of the two (1.44) had gotten added in. So a correction.
    The difference is not very significant, though. As I do more research, I’m finding more data, and 19 is very high. In one study the mean concentration in fentanyl fatalities was 3.0 +/- 3.1 ng/mL.
    The rest of your comment is trollish and repeats the same points I’ve already answered.
    I suggest you team up with ICANREAD and read the responses together before repeating yourself again, as it’s getting spammy and tiresome.
    Also, please post your real name and photograph. I’m trying to figure out “FB.” Is that “Federal Bureau of Facebook”?

    • Replies: @FB
  433. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Still waiting to hear from you on my previous polite question…

    …what are your thoughts about recreational marijuana use…?

    It would seem like a fair question, since you have decided to write about drugs…

    And…in light of your most recent comments, perhaps we should include ‘shrooms in that discussion…[perhaps ‘medicinal’ tweaking also…]

    [MORE]

  434. “…what are your thoughts about recreational marijuana use…?

    It would seem like a fair question, since you have decided to write about drugs…”

    excuse the interruption —— I will bite . . .

    mind altering substances should remain illegal. And the government should still refrain from extrajudicial treatment when dealing them as they should any citizen.

  435. @JimDandy

    The store clerk said twice in the 911 call that George Floyd appeared drunk. So he took drugs before any police were involved.

  436. There is no need for this evidence- loaded long article, seeking the truth about the death of George Floyd, because truth doesn’t matter, but what TRULY matters is that the 90% of Americans, of all races, religions and origins, have a mountain of oppressed & silenced Grievances that needs to be released, relating to their economical, social, and many other problems that clearly their government, congress and media don’t give any attention, so, it’s natural that any provoking picture or video ( even false), goes viral in social media, is enough ignite riots, looting & burning in massive streets demonstrations, these are not justice for Floyd protests, they are demands for justice to themselves, and valuable opportunity to go to streets and vent out some of their boiling & compressed oppression.

  437. Ahoy says:

    Since you don’t like theocracy, fascism, tyranny, eat Jew BLM denocracy till your stomach blows up.

    https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1275104262629076996/video/1


    It’s funny how people play with words. Christian Russia is theocratic but Talmudist Israel is democratic.

  438. Ahoy says:

    The life of the white American ceased to matter after JFK got the bullet. Now the new God is BLM and either you bow to him or you are a goner,

    Enjoy today’s America. Funny thing is the governing (((Elit))) want to export this shit to the rest of the word.

    https://truepundit.com/nashville-liquor-store-owner-88-explains-why-she-shot-alleged-shoplifter-im-fed-up/

  439. A very refreshing article. All the racist rhetoric and riots are wearing me out… I never considered myself to be a racist -but- as everything keeps escalating, I’m starting to question that feeling [Yes, I’m a 60 year old white guy…News Flash – Life is difficult for everyone!]….Political Correctness Hides the Truth & Truth Hurts Sometimes [I hope and pray the facts stated in this article are the Truth]… Never know anymore what you read is fact or “Fake News”

  440. Pixie says:
    @RouterAl

    If there’s money in it, they produce and bring it to market very, very quickly. The expensive t’s and hoodies and face masks are for profit. It’s the dumbasses that buy and wear them that are the dupes.

  441. https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911
    There are six crucial pieces of information — six facts — that have been largely omitted from discussion on the Chauvin’s conduct. …
    Rather than indicating illegal and excessive force, they instead show an officer who rigidly followed the procedures deemed appropriate by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). The evidence points to the MPD and the local political establishment, rather than the individual officer, as ultimately responsible for George Floyd’s death.
    These six facts are as follows:
    1 George Floyd was experiencing cardiopulmonary and psychological distress minutes before he was placed on the ground, let alone had a knee to his neck.
    2 The Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) allows the use of neck restraint on suspects who actively resist arrest, and George Floyd actively resisted arrest on two occasions, including immediately prior to neck restraint being used.
    3 The officers were recorded on their body cams assessing George Floyd as suffering from “excited delirium syndrome” (ExDS), a condition which the MPD considers an extreme threat to both the officers and the suspect. A white paper used by the MPD acknowledges that ExDS suspects may die irrespective of force involved. The officers’ response to this situation was in line with MPD guidelines for ExDS.
    4 Restraining the suspect on his or her abdomen (prone restraint) is a common tactic in ExDS situations, and the white paper used by the MPD instructs the officers to control the suspect until paramedics arrive.
    5 Floyd’s autopsy revealed a potentially lethal concoction of drugs — not just a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl, but also methamphetamine. Together with his history of drug abuse and two serious heart conditions, Floyd’s condition was exceptionally and unusually fragile.
    6 Chauvin’s neck restraint is unlikely to have exerted a dangerous amount of force to Floyd’s neck. Floyd is shown on video able to lift his head and neck,…

    • Thanks: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @karel
  442. Arcturus says:
    @FB

    So? Expertise is expertise.

  443. FB says: • Website

    Another police officer caught on tape, about to snuff out another helpless, restrained man…

    Only bystanders and another cop tapping this aspiring killer on the shoulder prevented yet another snuff tape for us all to have to watch and be traumatized all over again…

    NYPD Officer David Afanador: 5 Fast Facts You Need To Know

    Officer Afanador…here to ‘serve and protect’…

    God help any citizen, black, white or otherwise that gets on the wrong side of one of these badge-toting thugs…like this white guy, hooking up his boat trailer in his own driveway…gets a gun pulled on him…

  444. I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me that the defense will emphasize the facts in this article. It also seems to me that it will be pretty difficult to refute beyond reasonable doubt. So there’s a good chance of acquittal, which will, of course, cause more riots.

  445. FB says: • Website

    Another incident of citizens getting stepped on in the US police gulag…

    Utah nurse reaches $500,000 settlement in dispute over her arrest for blocking cop from drawing blood from patient

    Good thing Joe Taxpayer is here to pick up the tab…how many cases like this…how much money is paid for police damages…?

    • Replies: @Biff
  446. @John-Paul Leonard

    Following others all the time disables your thinking processes.

    Bingo! As homo sapiens we are inherently and essentially social creatures. In my frontyard art a very early and memorable sign was: Humans are Social Insects. We have an innate behavior of being a joiner and always seeking to find a group we can join to be with others whose company gives us some type of reward, which can be almost anything, or even a negation of something like avoidance of criminal activities and associations in seeking to stay out of jail or prison. Humans in the main are every bit as much of a social creature as ants and honeybees. But their hive or colony requires a queen, or ruler.

    As shown in the many comments on toxicology and fentanyl the vast majority of people have the tunnel vision of losing sight of the big picture, the meta view of seeing it as an entirety, so they’d of course ignore what I said about the illicit “fentanyl” and its supposed metabolites being almost entirely a hodge-podge mixture of research chemicals sold in bulk in a cat-and-mouse game of chemical suppliers creating ever-new analogues of controlled substances made by substituting one grou for another or adding something here or there to create a legal substance out of a controlled substance.

    Humans need to be mostly followers, but we can’t all be followers or there’d be no new ideas. I’m interested in the boundary lines between leaders and followers. In any society it stands to reason that there would be an optimum for that ratio, and there could be different rations for different aspects of human behaviors and beliefs.

    Elias Canetti’s book Crowds and Power gives a lot of useful background but so far I haven’t found where he applies it to what Konrad Lorenz would define as ethology.

    What is it that makes some rare individuals immune to the delusions of the herd? I think it goes back to a person’s early childhood where as you say some people are focused mostly within, an introspective personality, and the majority usually extrospective.

    I grew up in the 60s of Tim Leary’s and Richard Alpert’s Turn on Tune In and Drop Out.

    Under the jewish-controlled schools and their communist indoctrination of radical egalitarianism we have “normal people” who are aghast and angrily horrified to the point of violence if anyone would dare suggest that one person or group of persons could have understanding and knowledge that the majority is incapable of grokking.

    Maybe next up I should be reading Friedrich Nietzsche’s Man and Superman and also Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

  447. @anonymous

    Yes, the trial by media method makes a proper trial almost impossible. I suspect that is why, in Ferguson MO. the Grand Jury was given all of the evidence, not just the evidence that would be sufficient to indict.
    In this case, there is/was a Nick Kollerstrom-James Fetzer video (can’t re-locate) where Kollerstrom was looking at actual “crime scene” stills. Little things like Floyd appearing to have hair on his head when first cuffed, but not lying on the ground; the different facial and/or head features in the same stills; the absence of traffic, pedestrian or otherwise; and other minutia makes him think that the guy pushed in one side of the police car and pulled out of the other side may not be the same person, and therefore, a psy-op. I will only say that the inconsistencies appear to be real.

    Personally, I think it is not beyond the realm of possibility that this is part of a Ukrainian/Georgian/Yugoslavian type coup. I think it is fair to say that the Trump Presidency has been a disaster in many areas, or at least presented as disasters, but the fact remains that as bad a candidate as Trump may be, the Democratic one is worse for the people, but better for the people really running the show. This hysteria is just another in the endless line of nothingburgers since Trump’s election. By nothingburger, I mean that even if George Floyd did die as presented, his own conduct in contributing to the death is ignored, and it’s Trump’s fault the officers showed up on the scene, because he personally called in the alleged counterfeit $20 bill story. The hysteria is needed because Trump is unpredictable (except when it comes to Israel) and that is a real problem for the people really running the show.

  448. @Loup-Bouc

    Prosecutors regularly charge people with all kinds of crap, based on flimsy forensic evidence and fantastic theories that project certainty that the accused thought or did things in certain ways. There are many things that can be challenged, but normally aren’t, about the forensic testing.
    My father’s friend was a coroner. His office insisted on police not only escorting a corpse and attending the autopsy, but being present the entire time any specimen was processed, thereby closing any challenges to erroneous specimen handling or switching of specimens or results. That is no longer done in my city, for cost reasons. It seems that must be the case in Minneapolis, as it seems none of the attending officers accompanied the corpse and attended the autopsy.
    Additionally, testimony and eye witness testimony are treated as if it is carved in stone if a prosecution witness but unreliable by a defense witness, and the jury most often buys into the notion that the prosecution wouldn’t do anything dishonest, which is, of course, is rarely the case.

    There is a political agenda behind this George Floyd narrative, whether real or a psy-op. Prosecutors
    are politicians. The fact that these cops, real or imagined could be charged in a time frame much shorter than a proper investigation, which would have to review whether the proper police procedures had been followed by all involved (including dispatch) could take place, in my opinion, indicates the charges are politically motivated.

  449. JimDandy says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Great summary. Those facts–and this article–destroy the Narrative that is the cornerstone of this violent revolution, so the keyboard warriors of said revolution come here in hoards to ridicule and scream that up is down and black is white, etc.

    But it isn’t working.

  450. karel says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    How can you be certain about what you claim to be a fact stated in point one. Your further argumentation is illogical and confusing because why should someone who is supposedly dying need to be restrained. Would you strangle your dying grandmother to help her breathe? Perhaps yes. My guess is that the cop wanted to torture his victim a little bit for a fun and somehow overdid his stunt. Many people are killed while in detention by their guards or interrogators. Gestapo often utilized the presence of a medical doctor who usually told the torturer when to stop. The cop should have waited for the medical staff to arrive before starting to amuse himself.

  451. @Loup-Bouc

    Loup Bouc, If you think I’m cherry picking data then please pitch in and start doing a little research yourself, and see if you come up with anything different. I’m just reporting what comes up. I may comment later on some of your other points.

    We’re trying to determine if Floyd had a fatal overdose from fentanyl, the synthetic opioid that is rapidly becoming such a major cause of death among addicts. Here I will present more data on lethal fentanyl dosages from scientific journals and drug abuse experts. We’re comparing with 19.1 ng/mL in the Floyd autopsy.

    1. “Fentanyl-related Deaths: Demographics, Circumstances, and Toxicology of 112 Cases” (Henderson, Journal of Forensic Science, 1991) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2066723/
    In this study of 112 deaths the mean fentanyl concentration in blood was 3.0-3.1 ng/mL . “Toxicology data, autopsy findings, and coroners’ investigative reports were reviewed in order to construct a profile of the typical fentanyl overdose victim and to identify any factors that might heighten the risk of death from fentanyl use… No preexisting medical conditions were identified as possible risk factors.”
    The last observation may be very important in this case. Fentanyl kills in such a specific way, by locking on to the opioid receptors in the brain, that serious bodily conditions like heart disease may be irrelevant. If that is so, the stress from being restrained should also be incidental. What makes a difference to the outcome is the antidote naloxone, an opioid antagonist.

    2. “Assessing the 2004–2018 Fentanyl Misusing Issues Reported to an International Range of Adverse Reporting Systems” (Schifano, Frontiers in Pharmacology, 2019)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367955/
    “Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.”

    3. “Fatalities caused by novel opioids: a review” (Drummer, Forensic Science Research, 2019) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6609322/
    This is a review of seven studies, of which six give ranges for multiple cases. The lowest values in the ranges are 0.2, 3.1 ,2, 4, 1, and 2.5 ng/mL. Median values given were, 5,18, 20, 14.5, and 9.7 ng/mL.

    Not counting the lowest minimum of 0.2 (which was a small study), the average of the 5 minima is 2.5 ng/mL. If we assume these minima were cases without tolerance, then the minimum lethal dose for tolerant subjects would be two to three times higher (see Ohio below). This converges with the lethal concentration value of 7 ng/ml in Schifano above. (Regular users with fentanyl tolerance seem to compose the majority of cases, although I did not research that.)

    An average or median of 20 ng/mL for deaths doesn’t mean a person is going to live with 19. Especially with street drugs it’s easy to take an overkill dose, which raises the average.

    4. “How much fentanyl will kill you? Less than you think” (Harm Reduction Ohio, 2018)
    https://www.harmreductionohio.org/how-much-fentanyl-will-kill-you-2/
    “Almost nothing is actually known about how much fentanyl is in street drugs, and doses vary enormously…
    Regular heroin users who have a tolerance to opioids can take more fentanyl, possibly two or three times more, without suffering an overdose…
    According to one report (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5742018/), long-time addicts who desire fentanyl seek dose ranges between 250 and 1,000 micrograms…
    Conventional medical wisdom is that 2,000 micrograms is the “minimum lethal dose” — in other words, the smallest amount that can be fatal. This estimate is far too high…
    The official estimate is a guess based on a handful of anecdotes. The cases all involved users with high opioid tolerance. And, remember, they were dead.”

    Yes, experts can disagree. Interestingly, it appears that a local NGO with a mission to save lives from drug abuse may know more on the topic than a peer-reviewed journal from the Oxford University Press. Why do they stick to 2000 mcg when there are so many reports of death at 1 or 2 ng/mL? One difficulty may be converting between dose amount and postmortem blood level.

    Let’s try to work back from Floyd’s blood concentration of 19 ng/mL fentanyl to estimate the dose he took. His reported weight was 101 kg.

    Fentanyl blood level 19.1 ng/mL X 7878 (7.8 ml blood per kg body weight X 101 kg = 7.9 litres of blood) = 150.5 mcg fentanyl / 7% (blood as normal % of body weight) = approx. 2150 mcg dose.

    Of course it’s not that straightforward, and the concentrations in different types of tissue will vary, but this should provide a fair estimate. Deaths at 2 ng/mL would be a dose on the order of 200 mcg. According to a chart on the HR Ohio page, 1000 mcg means death and 2000 mcg of fentanyl means certain death.

    It is true that postmortem data have a selection bias, dealing only with fatal cases. Data on the maximum level that can be survived without treatment would be ideal. However, drug users don’t go to the clinic to get a blood test when they aren’t in need of treatment for an adverse reaction.

    Remember also the 86 ng/mL of morphine in Floyd’s blood sample (presumably from heroin) can also be fatal (as noted in the body of this article). Mixing fentanyl with heroin is believed to be even more dangerous, according to various sources including
    5. https://deserthopetreatment.com/addiction-guide/polydrug-use/mixing-fentanyl-and-other-drugs/ (an addiction treatment center in Las Vegas). They also say, “fentanyl can be so powerful that no one could possibly have achieved tolerance at the level needed to allow for ongoing use.”

    I was reluctant to be the one to publish research about drugs in the death of George Floyd, but I saw no one else speak up about the obvious, the “Elephan-tanyl in the living room.” No forensic scientist taking the plunge, no other candid kid at the court of the Emperor’s New Clothes.
    (Excepting Anatony Karlin, and now I see Ron Unz – also trying to deal with Loup Bouc’s tirades – at https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3986019 , and mentioning that Three Cranes makes some similar observations about Floyd on fentanyl at https://www.unz.com/isteve/bye-bye-minneapolis/#comment-3953196 .)

    Cities were burning, people were dying and historical monuments being toppled, over what could be a hoax or misunderstanding.
    We have so little history as it is in the US.
    Remember that when totalitarians take power, they always try to erase and rewrite history.

    I hope that forensic scientists with objectivity and integrity will take up this question.

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  452. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Look folks…type this into your search field…’what is the lethal dose of fentanyl’…?

    You will get back a consensus ballpark figure of about 2 mg, from many reputable sources [including in the links this ‘author’ has provided in this most recent comment]…

    Two milligrams of fentanyl is about 30 times higher than the blood level in Floyd’s autopsy results…[I will show the math separately, later, although anyone can work that out…]

    Second, there is really no such thing as a ‘minimum lethal dose’…that is also stated in the papers cited by this ‘author’…

    Third…again from the sources linked to by this ‘author’…the blood level of fentanyl for anesthesia is 10 to 20 ng/ml…the higher end of the range being nearly double Floyd’s blood level…that’s for ANESTHESIA folks…you know, where you wake up at the end…

    Fourth, and most obvious…no medical examiner [neither Hennepin County, nor Dr Baden] has even suggested the death was the result of an overdose…

    There are many more points that completely rule out any kind of overdose…that is just tripping…

    Now ask yourself this question folks…how stupid do you have to be to now take this load of [possibly drug-induced] bullshit at face value…from a ‘writer’ who does not even know elementary school physics and cannot perform simple arithmetic…?

    The answer is obvious folks…only those who have decided to put their innate human intelligence to one side, could possibly even entertain what is being suggested here…

    In the real world, any kind of ‘overdose’ is not even going to be mentioned…believe me…because it is a dead end…there is a body of REAL medical knowledge out there, and medical experts WILL be called to provide evidence…

    PS…pretty funny to see the kind of ‘editorial standards’ at work here, where such an absurd pile of nonsense is given the status of an ‘article’…😂 😂 😂

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  453. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    In my comment of June 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm GMT (comment # 426), the final paragraph is this:

    If the answer is affirmative, the fault will lie in the stupidity of the Attorney General or the local prosecutor— the stupidity of obtaining a preliminary court-ruling that the jury could not consider the underlying felony (assault) a lesser included offense of which the jury could convict, rather than convict Chauvin of “depraved heart” murder. Such is why I would charge only 3rd degree “depraved heart” murder or premise a 2nd degree felony murder charge on a felony race-hate-crime (e.g. violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242 or a similar Minnesota criminal law.

    That paragraph’s first sentence is materially misleading. That sentence ought to be this:

    If the answer is affirmative, the fault will lie in the stupidity of the Attorney General or the local prosecutor— the stupidity of not obtaining a preliminary court-ruling that the jury shall not consider the underlying felony (assault) a lesser included offense of which the jury could convict, rather than convict Chauvin of “depraved heart” murder.

  454. Druid says:
    @Zarathustra

    Number 1 problem in America is chews!

  455. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    …If you think I’m cherry picking data then please pitch in and start doing a little research yourself….

    Because The Scalpel”s fentanyl-related comments destroyed near-all of your at-best-inexpert, arithmetically flawed, and medically much-ignorant arguments, I limited my fentanyl-related criticism to the little I presented. [I mean certain of The Scalpel’s comments posted under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3957894 — The Scalpel’s comments I referenced specifically in my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399).

    [MORE]

    In my earlier comment criticizing your arguments, I resisted confessing that I am both law professor and physician. I confess so now because of your brazenly arrogant challenge that I “start doing a little research [myself].”

    I owe also the confession that I am not an emergency-room physician, like The Scalpel; and very rarely do I prescribe pharmaceuticals. [In some cases, I prescribe substances like synthetic triiodothyronine (liothyronine) or another exogenously-supplied substance that healthy human bodies produce endogenously; but such substances are not pharmaceuticals.]

    My medical practice operates on the premise that very, very often pharmaceuticals are counterproductive or worse. I provide remedies that are both pharmaceutical-free and methods of weaning from pharmaceuticals, reversing their unhealthful effects, and attaining health largely (but not only) with dietary measures that account all of the biochemical/physiological considerations that ordinary allopaths think they address and also others they disregard or do not recognize.

    I align not only with The Scalpel’s criticisms, but also with FB’s comment of June 23, 2020 at 1:05 pm GMT (comment # 420), which criticizes you with ruthlessly brute style that I tend to eschew, because of my sometimes-unfortunate collegial academia-background.

    Your arguments’ defect was not that you engaged in “cherry picking data,” but that your arguments are ignorant, pretentious, bigoted crap that does not deserve my spending time to criticize further.

    I note that you did not try to answer any of my other criticisms — the legal, non-medical evidentiary, logical, and statistical ones. Like the rest of the bigots who post arguments or comments at Unz Review, you cannot rebut those criticisms, because they are unassailable by any legitimate means.

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  456. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    In my reply-comment of June 26, 2020 at 12:09 am GMT (comment # 463), I wrote: “I align not only with The Scalpel’s criticisms, but also with FB’s comment of June 23, 2020 at 1:05 pm GMT (comment # 420), which criticizes you with ruthlessly brute style that I tend to eschew, because of my sometimes-unfortunate collegial academia-background.”

    After I posted that reply-comment, I noticed, and read, FB’s comment of June 25, 2020 at 11:08 pm GMT (comment # 460). I align also with that FB comment.

    Save yourself from further disgrace. Cease presenting ignorant, bigoted, toxic dross like your article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?” and your risible comments attemptingto defend it.

  457. @FB

    Do you have a reference for this?

    the blood level of fentanyl for anesthesia is 10 to 20 ng/ml

    Is that local anesthesia or general anesthesia? Local anesthesia would not be dangerous to the brain.
    One source reports http://www.noranaes.org/logbook/resources/Ebooks/Miller1/Miller%20-%20Anesthesia%206th%20Ed/das/book/body/0/1255/376.html
    “Fentanyl plasma concentrations of 1.0 to 2.0 ng/mL provide analgesia, [294] but levels of at least 2 to 3 ng/mL are usually required during surgery…. Plasma fentanyl levels associated with adequate analgesia after abdominal surgery have been reported to range fivefold from 0.23 to at least 1.18 ng/mL.[294]”
    Even if levels were 10-20 ng/mL as you say in general anesthesia, there is the same problem as with the earlier data about high levels of fentanyl overdose patients in intensive care. Of course, a patient can survive higher levels under intensive care than on on the street.

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  458. FB says: • Website
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Do you have a reference for this?

    I already told you it’s in your own link…

    Assessing the 2004–2018 Fentanyl Misusing Issues Reported to an International Range of Adverse Reporting Systems

    The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml.

    Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly- substance use was involved (European Monitoring Centre for Drug and Drug Addiction [EMCDDA], 2015).

    In fact that second sentence is included in what you pasted into your comment above…curious that you should miss the sentence immediately preceding it…

  459. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576505/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26683128/

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acem.13034

    Your conclusion is speculative at best. Depending in the individual and the circumstances (their health) your conclusions based on the research are highly speculative. At best you may get a contributory cause, certainly not a singular cause. I could just as easily contend the opposite based on the same data . . . because the range is as low as .02 and up.

    Laughing. In if in fact, Mr Floyd was under some manner of intoxicated stress — then kneeling on his neck was totally unnecessary (as others have noted) as was taking into custody in the first place.

    But I appreciate the hoola hooping.

  460. https://www.ocme.dhhs.nc.gov/toxicology/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22890811/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27702938/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27702938/

    You are not cherry picking data as much as you are cherry picking the most extreme conclusion — which is not supported by the data as definitive.

  461. I am physician
    Just did cursory review of literature
    No minimal lethal dose for any opioid
    Norfentanyl is inactive metabolite of fentanyl
    There is difference between administered dose and peripheral blood dose
    Usual lethal peripheral blood dose is 10-20 ng/ml although deaths have occurred at lower doses for fentanyl
    Fatal doses of morphine( not sure if they are talking free or total) have been as low as 20-40 ng/ml in presence of fentanyl
    Morphine as a co- toxicant would lower the threshold for death with fentanyl and vice versa
    Floyd’s levels are certainly in ballpark of lethality
    Who knows if he was tolerant or not?

    Fentanyl is not used for local anesthesia
    Any dose that provides general anesthesia would be lethal if not under anesthesiologist care, in my mind

    To summarize , he could have died from drugs alone causing fatal respiratory depression
    Throw in significant coronary artery disease and the hypoxia from respiratory depression could have caused a fatal arrhythmia as well
    Stress of resisting arrest could have added to latter risk— that is on victim

    Remember murder has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt
    Resisted arrest
    No neck trauma or brain ischemic changes
    Neck kneel allowed?
    Is it not a distinct and not unreasonable alternative to murder, that he died from drugs/ coronary artery disease/resisting arrest?

    The only thing that might have been done differently would have been to administer narcan when he stopped breathing
    Not sure if police knew if he stopped breathing( think they did)or had it available or are allowed or supposed to give it in these circumstances
    Not only will cops walk, but perhaps they should?!

    Doesn’t seem race had anything to do with it
    Lethality like this happens to whites more often
    Though blacks likely resist arrest more often

    There seems to be underestimation of how difficult it really is to bring down someone resisting arrest
    Rules could be changed to not be as aggressive when arresting
    Would likely lead to more resisting
    We need less resistance

  462. FB says: • Website

    I am physician…

    Where…Nigeria…Togo…?

    Is it not a distinct and not unreasonable alternative to murder, that he died from drugs/ coronary artery disease/resisting arrest?

    That proves you’re NOT a physician…there is a REAL physician commenting here on this website, and he has explained quite a bit about how drug overdoses play out…certainly not like what you suggest…

    How can there be resisting if you pass out from drug overdose…?

    Verdict…NOT A DOCTOR

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  463. @Loup-Bouc

    My answer to your calling the statistics I cited “worthless” was to ask you to find better statistics, but you prefer to reply with ad hominem attacks and generalities, which I do not wish to engage.

    I see that you and the Scalpel are both MD’s. If so, then I would expect we may conduct a professional level and tone of discourse.

    Also, as a doctor you will be accustomed to patients taking you at your word. Unfortunately, as you may well be aware, and no offense is intended, but the medical sciences research community generally ignores the opinions of individual clinicians and MDs as “anecdotal”, particularly when they don’t present any quantitative data. Peer-reviewed journal articles are the standard. (In my personal view, practitioner experience may be underrated and controlled clinical trials may be overrated. Nonetheless, we do expect more from experts than opinions uncorroborated by data, and journal articles with a lot of data are available on the Internet.)

    As for the Scalpel demolishing any arguments, I don’t think so. His main points, and you may remind me if I’ve missed something, are two.

    Tolerance to dosages, which I’ve answered in #459, as well as earlier. Secondly, the Scalpel claims that a fentanyl overdose kills right away, so if it were an overdose, Floyd would have died before the police got to him. This allegedly proves the police killed him.

    This does not work. First of all is the finding of a lethal dosage in the toxicological findings, that no objections so far have falsified.

    Secondly, an all-or-nothing claim defies common sense. (See Nicholas 2017 for the empirical proof.) There is not going to be a magical value such that, say for a certain addict, 7 ng/mL means a good trip, but 7.1 means instant death. Clearly, there are going to be high values that kill in a minute, and lower values that are pleasurable. In between there will be “bad trip” doses that kill more slowly, as the toxin breaks down the body’s stamina and resistance. It’s not like a single molecule is going to be the light switch that makes the difference between night and day, with no middle ground. Physiology is not like that.

    By analogy, getting hit by a car is an instant impact. That doesn’t mean the victim always dies on the spot. It can take much longer for the complications to take their toll. (Querulous persons might respond that the analogy is not perfect, but an analogy never is. If it were perfect it would not be an analogy, it would be the thing itself.)

    The Scalpel did contribute an interesting observation that the autopsy reported no residues from pills. He states that most fentanyl abusers snort or inject, which gives a quick high. That fentanyl works very fast has been noted in the literature. On the other hand, some addicts misuse fentanyl patches. These can take 2 to 4 hours to reach peak dosage.

    The other basic problem with this claim is we don’t know when Floyd took his dose. An indication is that about 40% of the dose had already been metabolized. In #459, I cite HR Ohio that a typical dose is 250 to 1000 mcg, and working back from his blood concentration, I calculated his dosage at about 2150 mcg. Accordingly he might have taken one dose of about 1000 mcg earlier, and when that wore off, a second dose of about 1000 mcg soon before his arrest.

    I responded to The Scalpel here https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/#comment-3986019 asking him

    Scalpel, can you cite a reference in the literature giving the range of how many minutes a person can live between taking a fatal overdose of fentanyl and dying from it? (without medical treatment of course)

    No response, the thread is not active now.

    In “Characteristics of Fentanyl Overdose — Massachusetts, 2014–2016,” (Nicholas, 2017)
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6614a2.htm it is noted that
    “Thirty-six percent of fentanyl deaths had evidence of an overdose occurring within seconds to minutes after drug use, and 90% of fentanyl overdose decedents were pulseless upon emergency medical services arrival.”

    That is, the great majority died in a short time frame as seen in George Floyd’s case. The Scalpel’s sudden death theory can cut both ways; it can also exonerate the police, because evidently, Floyd was already a dead man walking when they arrived.

    Odds and ends
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470415/ “Tolerance occurs rapidly with opioids. With overdose, patients often succumb to respiratory failure. Tolerance … leaves them susceptible to death from overdose.”

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/308156
    “A fentanyl patch is only used in patients who are already tolerant to opioid therapy of a similar strength.
    Fentanyl has a short duration of effect – just 30-90 minutes.
    Fentanyl affects everyone differently.”

    I agree that Floyd was more likely injecting or snorting than using patches or pills, but for comparison purposes, fentanyl patches come in four or five strengths, the highest being 100 mcg, with a mean blood concentration of 2.5 ng/mL. The accompanying graph shows spikes of up to 5 ng/mL. This is approved for opioid-tolerant subjects. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/nda/2008/077449Orig1s000.pdf

    Re shooting the messenger. Consider that one definition of a bigot is someone who calls others bigots if they don’t agree with him. Think about it…
    For example, a charge that “your arguments are ignorant, pretentious, bigoted crap” might come across as bigoted.

    The word originates with the habit of using the oath “by God” to reinforce an argument instead of providing evidence. Thus it’s closely linked to the fallacy of appeal to taboos and authority, and lack of independent thinking.

    Regarding my not responding to your “unassailable” criticisms, since this comment (and the time spent on it) is already so long, I will try to do that in a separate comment.

    Once again, I hope we may engage in a civilized and professional discourse.
    Thank you.

  464. Loup-Bouc says:
    @pepperinmono

    Your comment does not read like the work of a physician. I am a physician.

    Your writing style is not that of a medical professional or a pertinently educated person.

    You needed to do a “cursory review of literature.” A physician would not need to review the literature. Also your review was “cursory.” A “physician” would not render such a opinion on the premise of a “cursory” review of literature, surely not such a conclusory opinion.

    The Scalpel reviewed the evidence vis-a-vis clear, abundant knowledge of all the pharmaceutical considerations. His conclusions trash yours. See my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399). You did not consider enough holistic interplays of fentanyl and other exogenous substances and Floyd’s underlying conditions that could be comorbidities. See my same comment. You say only:

    Floyd’s levels are certainly in ballpark of lethality.

    You slip into legal matters with language that shows you know zero of the pertinent law. (I am also a law professor). See again my same comment and my other comments that comment references.

    You assert:

    Doesn’t seem race had anything to do with it
    Lethality like this happens to whites more often
    Though blacks likely resist arrest more often

    Your assertion does not find support in any valid, reliable statistics but is belied by an abundance of data and scholarly studies and investigations. See again my same comment and my other comments that comment references.

    I should not be amazed it you are John-Paul Leonard pretending to be a physician.

  465. @pepperinmono

    Excellent! An expert voice of reason.
    Thank you for many informative and relevant points.
    For instance norfentanyl is inactive metabolite, that is important. Of course its presence still gives an indication what the original dose was.
    Also important about the lethality of morphine together with fentanyl. You write, “Fatal doses of morphine( not sure if they are talking free or total) have been as low as 20-40 ng/ml in presence of fentanyl”
    Autopsy: “Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL”
    “Fentanyl is not used for local anesthesia.
    Any dose that provides general anesthesia would be lethal if not under anesthesiologist care, in my mind”
    Good clarification.
    Kind of what I was trying to say, that you can’t compare lethality of levels in the ICU and on the street.

    “The only thing that might have been done differently would have been to administer narcan when he stopped breathing.” Agree. Or even earlier. It’s too late when there is no pulse, isn’t it?

  466. Druid says:
    @fnn

    The clintons stole the money!

  467. @Loup-Bouc

    I said I would respond in more detail to your #399.
    Apparently your biggest issue is my estimate of the original amount of fentanyl from the amount of norfentanyl in my comment # 166, which
    “epitomizes the many faults of his article and stresses several of his article’s most egregious flaws; therefore, his comment’s demolition implies the demolition of his article… Mr. Leonard fails to account the form of fentanyl (pill, powder, fluid) and intake-mode (snorting, pill-swallowing, injection) — which help determine how fast fentanyl reaches the liver… A “perfectly” healthy human body (if one exists) is not a mathematical exercise; and two “perfectly” healthy human bodies will not process any certain chemical substance quite the same way.”

    I never claimed to know what form of fentanyl was involved or to talk a lot about the liver or make any of those other assumptions. I only intended a thumbnail estimate of the fentanyl dose. It’s obviously only an estimate.

    Maybe a low one since some norfentanyl might have already been passed in the urine. Ad hoc objections don’t always slice the way they’re intended.

    I’m sorry you spent so much time on that, but it’s really not an issue as far as I am concerned.

    Since we’re on norfentanyl, here’s a bit of info for you.
    https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/41/4/289/2948748
    Fentanyl is rapidly metabolized to norfentanyl

    https://www.mayocliniclabs.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/62726
    Fentanyl is approximately 80% to 85% protein bound.
    Within 72 hours of intravenous (IV) administration, approximately 75% of the dose is excreted in urine, mostly as metabolites with <10% representing unchanged drug.(3,4)

    Enough.
    Peace.

  468. “There seems to be underestimation of how difficult it really is to bring down someone resisting arrest
    Rules could be changed to not be as aggressive when arresting
    Would likely lead to more resisting
    We need less resistance”

    Laughing . . even as they are collapsing from toxic blood levels that cause them to pass out. There’s no indication he was resisting an arrest that never should have occurred.

    Pretzels . . .

    Medical response for cardiac arrest and asphyxia . . .

    neck resuscitation. Good grief.

    Most people, even if addicted live minus experiencing cardiac arrest despite toxic levels of drugs, including the one in question.

    According to one site there were nearly 20,000 deaths from the use of opioids drug. It is estimated that opioid users are about 2 million. I will be generous and note that 1 million of them use the drug in question. 2% of the users die. (taken from the 2 million opioid users) Another 98% survive.

    It is highly unlikely that Mr Floyd died as the result of the use of Fentanyl.

    Unless the police actually found illegal tender on Mr. Floyd . . . then there was no need for an arrest, being detained, putting their hands on him for any reasons. And before doing so, he would have had to be informed of the same and why.

  469. Biff says:
    @FB

    There used to be several channels on youtube where you could stream abusive cop videos all day long(and into the night). Youtube took them all down including the innocuous Thefreethoughtproject.
    I’m glad some of the good examples remaining, and unfortunately, there are new ones to be produced in the coming months and years.

    And nobody should be buying into the bullshit Police reform bill that is being passed. For every maneuver they take away from the cops they’ll hand them ten more in its place. It’s the training that’s the problem, and they will never change that. The cop violence will continue.

  470. Otis says:
    @obwandiyag

    Alright, let’s have a look at the thousands of murders you claim to have knowledge about Credible links only, please.

  471. @Thulean Friend

    There were two other passengers in the Floyd’s vehicle. Why have we never heard from them?

    And wasn’t Floyd sitting in the driver’s seat of a Mercedes SUV? Since when do bouncers drive Mercedes SUVs?

    And who put all that money in Donella Fraziers GoFundMe account (she allegedly took the video of Chauvin on Floyd’s neck)?

    Sorry if these were already pointed out.

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    , @NoNwoNow
  472. Loup-Bouc says:
    @pepperinmono

    Sorry. In writing my comment of June 26, 2020 at 5:05 am GMT (comment # 471), I failed to recognize the sublime precision of your determination that “Floyd’s levels are certainly in ballpark of lethality.” Yet I wonder: “levels” of what?

    Still, clearly my medical learning is deficient. I did not know that “ballpark” is a technical measurement employed in the field of forensic pathology or that “ballpark” bears special significance for determination of “lethality” of a substance or of an apparent assaultive event.

    Is “ballpark” a range of probability? What is the range? How determined — by distance a centipede can crawl in 38 seconds? Or is the range an area set between a mean and one or more standard deviations away from that mean, and must the area be above the mean, below the mean, or anywhere you throw a dart, and is the area’s surface astroturf?

    Oh, I thank you also for teaching me that a PHYSICIAN’s purview includes determining whether race (or ethnicity?) explains a cop’s killing a helpless victim.

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  473. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @johnsstudio

    Who are you to Judge?

    And who are you to ask the question?

  474. vot tak says:
    @Cycling Goddess

    Standard zionazi-gay (guardianista wing) smear trolling technique.

  475. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    Even if levels were 10-20 ng/mL as you say in general anesthesia, there is the same problem as with the earlier data about high levels of fentanyl overdose patients in intensive care. Of course, a patient can survive higher levels under intensive care than on on [sic] the street.

    What empirical evidence — a scientific study, a set of several hospitals records — supports your highly ambiguous assertion concerning what you call “high levels of fentanyl overdose patients in intensive care”? What constitutes a “high level? Twice the amount needed to achieve anesthesia? In how large a person of what sex and age and in what condition at the moment of administration of the drug?

    And what evidence supports your assertion that “Of course, a patient can survive higher levels under intensive care than on on [sic] the street.” Ought we not wonder just what conditions obtain in particular intensive care setting at particular times involving particular patients versus the “on the street” conditions that obtain when particular persons’ systems bear high levels [of fentanyl?]? And what is the meaning of “on the street”? Does it mean merely outside the confines of medical care? Or does it mean some situation abided by a homeless person? Or does it mean simply a case of a person’s standing on a sidewalk?

    Such questions are life-and-death matters and matters of precision essential to medical science and critical to forensic pathology determinations.

    I note that you agree with pepperinmono, June 26, 2020 at 2:22 am GMT (comment # 469), the bullshit of an individual who claims to be a physician. If he is a physician, he is the lowest kind of hack, and his license ought to be revoked.

    But you would agree with anyone, even an unemployed circus clown fired for inducing whole audiences to puke — if he ate the toxic drek you shovel to try to bury the clear fact that Chauvin and at least one other cop murdered Floyd. See my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399). Just so, you would pose as a (faux) physician, pepperinmono (who is no physician) to agree with yourself. See my comment of June 26, 2020 at 5:05 am GMT (comment # 471).

    Why do you keep disgracing yourself?

  476. pink says:

    the idiot who wrote this oped bullshit is an ignorant tool pretending to be progressive. all i can hope for is four rogue pigs kneel on him, his wife or child til they die, so perhaps they can learn that karma is a bitch.
    the premises raised are ludicrous. the man died of asphyxiation from cops kneeling on his neck.
    further, most of the citations lead back to right wing spin which predictably blames the victim, as monday morning quarterbacks like the lackey who penned this bullshit always do.

    [MORE]

    its bullshit. i’ve worked with fentanyl with cancer patients taking 100x the level of the dose cited in this drivel. it doesn’t mean shit.

    nothing but the usual spin, rather than admitting black lives matter and we have a rogue police problem in the usa.

    suck some more trump dick.

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  477. FB says: • Website

    Why do you keep disgracing yourself?

    That’s the question, Loup…

    This thing is a clown show from the beginning…one of the worst instances of complete editorial failure that I have ever seen…

    I would have thought that a website like this that Mr Unz takes seriously, and talks of very seriously in terms of fulfilling some kind of important cultural role, would at least have minimal journalistic standards…

    But evidently not…this is just garbage without any standards at all…

    There is SO MUCH wrong here that it just boggles the mind…I have stated already that at the very least, a layman writer looking into this issue should have sought out a professional pathologist or medical examiner and conducted a professional INTERVIEW…

    You don’t just go off and do internet ‘research’ while knowing zilch about this highly technical science…that is just basic common sense…which apparently neither this author, nor Mr Unz have chosen to apply before hurling this piece of dreck at readers…

    And to restate the obvious…

    The Hennepin County coroner’s report said NOTHING about an overdose…I repeat NOTHING…

    But the world somehow needs this functionally illiterate clown Leonard to point out that it could have been an overdose…and of course it just didn’t ‘occur’ to the medical professionals that examined the body…right…

    Here’s a board-certified lung doctor explaining how George Floyd died from that neck pressure…a very informative explanation…

  478. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    My answer to your calling the statistics I cited “worthless” was to ask you to find better statistics, but you prefer to reply with ad hominem attacks and generalities, which I do not wish to engage.

    In my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399), I provided statistics — legitimate statistics, not raw, highly questionable data and law-enforcement-agency estimates (which are highly questionable not data). Apparently you did not READ. See my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399), and begin reading after this language:

    (1) A helpless victim, like Floyd, is not responsible for trying to resist a cop’s flagrant disregard of the victims critically moribund condition. (a) See above, discussion of “depraved heart,” “depraved indifference,” and “reckless disregard” murder or manslaughter. (b) If one’s morals do not accord with that law, one’s morals are gravely defective.

    There I referenced several of my comments posted under other Unz Review articles. Those others of my comments provide statistics, statistics-bearing studies, and other sources that show your statistics to be quite what I said — worthless.

    Among your faux-statistics assertions is the untenable proposition that Blacks are much more violent and violent-felony-commission-prone that non-Blacks and cops. You rely on raw data like law-enforcement-agency “reports” — and “estimates” of numbers of violent felonies or, less, reports of numbers of violent-felony convictions. In my comments posted under other Unz Review articles, I present studies that show such law-enforcement-agency data invalid and unreliable.

    Examples:

    [MORE]

    According to one respected and reliable source, up to about 60% of murder convictions and about 36% of rape convictions: Samuel R. Gross, Kristen Jacoby, Daniel J. Matheson, Nicholas Montgomery, EXONERATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES 1989 THROUGH
    2003, 95 Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 523, at 529 (2005),
    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=7186&context=jclc
    I presented also three other sources’ similar showings:
    (1) http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf [specially relevant to false convictions of Blacks]
    (2) https://time.com/wrongly-convicted/ [all “races”/”ethnicities”]
    (3) https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/251115.pdf [all “races”/”ethnicities”]

    Somewhat “less” disturbing statistics obtain from a presentation of a long-time member of the board of directors of the Innocence Project, John Grisham, a famous novelist and attorney. Relying on statistics accumulated by the Innocence Project, Mr. Grisham noted: (a) During the period 1990-2015, DNA evidence led to 2,000 judicial exonerations (judicial judgments of innocense, not merely determinations of convictions produced by invalid process or insufficient evidence). (b) Of those 2,000 persons, 200 were death row prisoners (scheduled to be executed). See https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-grisham-wrongful-convictions-20180311-story.html , which excerpts pertinent parts of Mr. Grishom’s original presentation contained in Mr. Grisham’s Foreword of the book “The Cadaver King and the Country Dentist: A True Story of Injustice in the American South” (27 February 2018), Radley Balko and Tucker Carrington, authors. In a Cato Institute review of that book, the reviewer observes:

    In a nation with roughly two million people behind bars, a conservative estimate of the number of imprisoned innocent people is probably in the thousands, and perhaps in the tens of thousands. * * * The state of justice in Mississippi may have been particularly bleak, but so many of the problems that happened there are not unique at all.

    [The book-reviewer was Jonathan Blanks, Research Associate of the Cato Institute’s “Project on Criminal Justice” and a “Writer in Residence” at Harvard University’s Fair Punishment Project. The Cato Institute is not left-wing, but libertarian.]

    I shall not take up more space here to show you more of what you would find if you read my comments that I cite in my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399). Read those comments or not, per your bigoted character’s motives.

    You purport to summarize The Scalpel’s points respecting something [you do not say his points’ object(s) ]. You do not summarize his points. You mutate them to fit your bigotry-driven toxic dross. I shall waste my time on responding to your litany of twisted faux summaries. I shall put one example: You assert: “…the Scalpel claims that a fentanyl overdose kills right away….” The Scalpel did not say that. He discussed fentanyl’s effects — fatal and non-fatal — in sundry settings, e.g., these:
    (a) if it is delivered in pill form
    (b) if delivered in powder form and snorted
    (c) if it is injected
    (d) where a user has (or has not) developed tolerance
    (e) where the user is suffering, or has suffered recently, some stress (physical, psychic, pharmaceutical…….) that affects the effect of fentanyl
    See, e.g., the following comments of The Scalpel, which I cite by comment number, AND either language of Fred Reed’s article or other readers comments to which The Scalpel’s comments reply: # 21, # 323, # 325, # 343, # 346, # 369, # 377, # 379, # 380, # 419.
    You MUST consider the other readers’ comments to which The Scalpel’s comments reply. If you do not, you will not appreciate correctly The Scalpel’s comments.

    You assert:

    Tolerance to dosages, which I’ve answered in #459, as well as earlier. Secondly, the Scalpel claims that a fentanyl overdose kills right away, so if it were an overdose, Floyd would have died before the police got to him. This allegedly proves the police killed him.

    This does not work. First of all is the finding of a lethal dosage in the toxicological findings, that no objections so far have falsified.

    The autopsies did NOT state a finding of a “lethal dosage” in their toxicological reports. The independent autopsy report repudiated claims that fentanyl or any other drug caused Floyd’s death. See my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399),

    The ultimate medical-examiner report determined that Floyd’s death was HOMICIDE. Unless a drug popped up and invaded Floyd’s body and killed Floyd and a drug can be convicted of homicide. the criminal killer(s) must have been one (or more) of the cops.

    The Hennipin County Medical Examiner’s official Press Release states:

    Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual,
    restraint, and neck compression

    Manner of death: Homicide

    How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while
    being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)

    Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease;
    fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use

    https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf

    In its toxicology section, the 1 June 2020 (ultimate) Hennipin County Medical Examiner’s report states:

    A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
    1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
    2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
    3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
    4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
    5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
    Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
    6. Cotinine positive
    7. Caffeine positive
    B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
    isopropanol, or acetone
    C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
    amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
    D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

    https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

    YOUR BIGOT’S BRAIN transmutes “Fentanyl 11 ng/mL” and “Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL” into “finding of a lethal dosage.”

    Despite being corrected by readers and by The Scalpel, you keep insisting that a certain Fentanyl dosage is a lethal one — though Fentanyl’s lethality level is not a constant, but depends on sundry variables, including, but not only, the general health of the person receiving the drug, the person’s immediate condition, extrinsic stresses, whether other drugs are present in the person and whether such other drugs affect the person’s condition deleteriously vis-a-vis his system’s Fentanyl-quantity or interact with Fentanyl to diminish, heighten, or warp the Fentanyl’s effect.

    Are you hallucinating? Or have you convinced yourself that if you keep repeating your lies and toxic slimy dross, even sane, scrupulous physicians and lawyers will swallow your swill.

    You complain:

    Once again, I hope we may engage in a civilized and professional discourse.

    You do not deserve civility or professional discourse.

    You are not civilized— unless relentless arrogance, pretentiousness, rampant prevarication, persistent misrepresentation, and unscrupulous bigotry are elements of civilization.

    Your article and comments are not professional — not journalism — but fancied-up bigotry diatribes that assert many falsehoods, disregard or contort evidence, pretend to knowledge or comprehension of technical matters that are beyond your ken, and engage in other stupid or unscrupulous antics to “prove” that two or three White cops’ murdering an unarmed, non-arrest-resisting, helpless Black man is actually two or three cops’ just trying to do their job, innocently, in a setting of a drunken, drug-crazed or drug- compromised, comorbidity-suffering violent felon’s dangerously resisting arrest.

    I shall not reply to any further comments you address to me. You deserve contempt, not recognition.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  479. NoNwoNow says:
    @Cycling Goddess

    He couldn’t have bought the Merc from drug money, could he?
    How about the passengers, were they busted for possession?
    Check out this clip. Floyd sits down on the sidewalk with his back against the wall

    Around the 9 to 12 second mark, with his left hand behind his back, he ever so slyly removes a tiny white packet from his back pocket onto the sidewalk.
    Couldn’t be drugs could it. Maybe he was just feeding the pigeons.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Loup-Bouc
  480. FB says: • Website
    @NoNwoNow

    Which is why the cops who were RIGHT THERE didn’t notice the ‘drugs’ PLACED ON THE SIDEWALK…?

    You’re obviously fundamentally retarded…as are the clowns that try to present this ‘video’ nonsense…

    • Agree: vot tak
  481. Loup-Bouc says:
    @John-Paul Leonard

    I owe you and readers a clarification of certain language of my comment of June 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm GMT (comment # 486).

    The clarification occurs below in the form of an addition of the boldfaced, italicized additional terms “are false” set near the beginning of the following language that occurs after the first five paragraphs (including block-quote paragraphs) after that same comment’s (comment # 486’s) beginning.

    [MORE]

    Examples:

    According to one respected and reliable source, up to about 60% of murder convictions and about 36% of rape convictions are false: Samuel R. Gross, Kristen Jacoby, Daniel J. Matheson, Nicholas Montgomery, EXONERATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES 1989 THROUGH
    2003, 95 Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 523, at 529 (2005),
    https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=7186&context=jclc
    I presented also three other sources’ similar showings:
    (1) http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions.pdf [specially relevant to false convictions of Blacks]
    (2) https://time.com/wrongly-convicted/ [all “races”/”ethnicities”]
    (3) https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/251115.pdf [all “races”/”ethnicities”]

    The point is that if those convictions were false, then so were the arrests that led to those convictions.

    Below the above clarified language, my same comment adduces more such false-conviction statistics that treat the same point.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  482. Well, we will not hear that in MSM and if it comes out at the trial there will be huge demonstrations: Blacks can never be to blame for anything.

  483. Loup-Bouc says:
    @NoNwoNow

    (1) I viewed the video, then enlarged it and viewed it again, several times. I saw SOMETHING white, nearly square, and rather flat. I could not discern whether Floyd removed the thing from any part of his clothing.

    No honest and non-hallucinating viewer could assert that the thing is a “packet.” Your bigotry seems to have caused you to hallucinate. And no honest and non-hallucinating viewer could swear that clearly Floyd removed the thing from any part of his clothing, or did so intentionally, because the video is too unclear in its aspect involving Floyd and the white thing.

    (2) Even if the thing were a “packet” and even if it bore an illegal drug (heroin, cocaine……), such “fact” cannot imply anything respecting whether the cops murdered Floyd. If a cop kills a person who possesses a packet bearing an illegal drug and the cop’s only “reason,” “justification,” or “excuse” is that the person possessed an illegal drug, then the killing would be a felony homicide.

    [MORE]

    Floyd was unarmed and did not resist arrest (and if you think he resisted arrest, you are hallucinating further). Neither Chauvin nor any other cop acted per reaction to noticing the squarish, flat, white thing. No toxic drug or comorbidity caused Floyd’s death. All the pertinent evidence indicates that officer Chauvin and one or two other cops murdered Floyd. See:
    * my comment of June 23, 2020 at 2:17 am GMT (comment # 399)
    * my comment of June 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm GMT (comment # 426)
    * my comment of June 23, 2020 at 10:03 pm GMT (comment # 432)
    * my comment of June 23, 2020 at 10:13 pm GMT (comment # 433)
    * my comment of June 25, 2020 at 11:37 pm GMT (comment # 461)
    * my comment of June 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm GMT (comment # 486)

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  484. Anonymous[618] • Disclaimer says:

    In George Floyd’s case this may all be true.

    However, cops are often abusive to everyone – whites and blacks – because they think they’re kings and they throw their weight around against even the most innocent people.

    That is “cop culture”.

    And cops will let leftists off the hook while coming down hard on conservatives.

    Conservatives could never be allowed to do what the leftists are doing in the streets now: breaking laws, curfews, no permits for marches, occupations, looting, rioting etc.

    I have seen conservatives who demonstrate against Drag Queen Story Hour be mistreated while the obnoxious LGBT groups are allowed carte blanche.

    You may think cops are all right-of-center. That would be a mistake.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  485. edding says:

    I’m sorry, but I cannot agree that the neck restraint used on George Floyd by Officer Chauvin should ever have been approved by the Minneapolis police procedure manual, since it was potentially lethal and required too much discretion by someone with non-medical expertise regarding its use. (I would argue the same for the chokehold technique also approved by the manual.)

    Nor can I agree with those that argue that because there are few or none other recorded deaths from the application of a neck restraint, that anyone could think that using what may be estimated here at possibly 100 pounds of pressure for over 8 minutes should be considered a non-lethal risk. You just don’t take those chances.

    As for the Minneapolis police manual- it specifically mandates that the neck restraint should NOT be applied when the detainee is exhibiting active resistance (which was the condition with Floyd after he was on the ground), IF a lesser restraint could be used to detain the suspect- and with Chauvin also reportedly using this technique as a demonstration to train of three or four young officers under his command, it is astounding that he ignored this directive by the manual and failed to use a lesser measure- for example, handcuffs, including with the help of the other officers, if needed.

    This was not a case, after Floyd was on the ground, of him exhibiting active aggression as defined in the manual, nor was it one of self defense by Officer Chauvin- indeed, application of the neck restraint for over 8 minutes was unconscionable, whether or not it may have initially complied with the police manual.

    Furthermore, it is significant that one of the officers remarked to Chauvin that Floyd was complaining that he had difficulty breathing but Chauvin waved him off. Under the Minneapolis police manual it might be argued that in that circumstance the officer (and his fellows) had a duty to countermand Chauvin’s order. Yet, don’t think that such provision would have any teeth. How many rookies would countermanding the order of a superior and risk getting blacklisted or fired?

    While the author and many others have pointed out: (1) Floyd’s history, (2) that he had tried to commit a felony (though, passing a bad check is not exactly a violent crime), and, (3) was under the influence of Fentanyl, and do so to justify or distract from the measures taken by Chauvin and Floyd’s death, they conveniently ignore the long record of police brutality complaints filed against Chauvin.

  486. Loup-Bouc says:
    @FB

    I viewed and listened to the video. I agree with nearly every detail of Dr. Hansen analysis. I criticize only his failing to account the 1 June 2020 (ultimate) Hennipin County Medical Examiner’s report, which rebuts Dr. Hansen’s questions concerning the Medical Examiner’s public press release.

    The 1 June 2020 Medical Examiner’s report indicated the quantities of Fentanyl (11 ng/mL)
    and Norfentanyl (5.6 ng/mL) and other pharmaceuticals found in Floyd’s blood; and it noted:
    A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
    B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
    C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs

    The findings of (a) cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip, (b) mucosal injuries of the lips, and (c) cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs are ALL consistent with occurrence of deadly pressure applied to the face, neck, and chest. (Though the cops were applying pressure to Floyd’s back, since Floyd’s chest was in contact with the pavement, the pressure m