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Israel – foundling of a failing empire (British) on the backyard of another (Ottoman), within the nightmare shadow of a third (Nazi), adopted by a fourth (US), whose exploitative bid to establish a proxy imperial force in the Middle East and scatter competing candidates for imperial failure (including Soviet, Arab, and Iranian), has helped beget and stiffen this settler-dominated, nuclear, dependent, theocratic, apartheid, political entity (i.e. a state and the territories it has forcibly annexed) of approximately seven million Israelis (mainly Jews) and seven million Palestinians (mainly Muslim) – equivalent to only a third of the population of California – whose perennial conflict is a disproportionately fractious threat to a planet of eight billion.

Knee-jerk deference to Israeli interests is exhibited by all US administrations – none less than in the case of the current Biden-Blinken team, who have even resurrected a frothy insistence on US support for the “two-state” solution as the only possible solution. Of course, there will be some insignificant distracting theatrics in response to progressive Democratic protest. It is more important to note that resort to “two-state” nonsense is depressing at various levels, most particularly because of what it reveals about the odious combination of ignorance, misunderstanding and hypocrisy, and the resounding absence of anything resembling imagination in the US State Department. If the two-state solution were going to work, it would have worked by now. It has had at the very least, twenty-five years of gestation. It was and is a still-birth. It has not worked, because it could never have worked.

The Oslo Accords of 1993 were deeply deceptive: they pretended to settle a relationship between one all-powerful and one powerless entity as though they were equals, in a territorial arrangement which could never, can never, make any life worth living, nor any sense whatsoever. If Biden and Blinken cannot do better than drag out the shibboleth of a two-state solution they either do not have a grip, are incapable of getting a grip, or they are committed to a solution that they know perfectly well is a piece of nonsense. The principal reasons are as follows. The idea of a two-state solution is a commitment to the creation of two adjacent extremist feudal, theocratic entities, of which one is a highly militarized, rogue nuclear power that is heavily dependent on US subsidy for its continued existence, and the other is divided between a sleepy stooge (Al-Fatah), in charge of the Palestinian Authority, and several jihadist groups of which Hamas is currently the most energetic, heavily subsidized by a cluster of Islamic, Arab, and Iranian powers, among others, all with their own state interests. Adjacency, in whatever misshapen, fragmented headache that diplomats can nightmare, is no pancea for peaceful relations.

The knee-jerk reflex of Biden-Blinken is generally presumed to reflect a deep-State US need for Israel as a nuclear US proxy in the Middle East that will keep at bay, and in obedience, all the region’s competing powers and allow the USA a master hand in controlling fossil fuel sources and routes. This presumption is debunked by Larry Wilkerson, a retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. He thinks of Israel not as a strategic asset but as a strategic liability. Indeed, he cites the Joint Chiefs of Staff for President Truman as regarding Israel as a strategic deficiency because it was surrounded by 400 million Arabs even as it forged a path to apartheid status (see May 2021 Human Rights Watch judgment below).

“That’s why I said in that speech, and I have said subsequently, publicly and privately, Israel is in its most dangerous time and we are part of that danger because we’re aiding and abetting this state that is not a democracy, that exercises power brutally, that looks more like those who oppress them in the forties and the late thirties than they do the democracy we first recognized, and that’s not good for the United States and it’s not good for Israel”.

Wilkerson predicts that Israel will lose US support as the scale of its atrocities against Palestine become more visible, even in mainstream media whose foibles are increasingly held to ridicule by alternative media (see MediaLens on the “savage punishment of Gaza,”). If Israel, its reckless elites fueled by greater-Israel fantasies, evolves further in the direction of apartheid, it will cease to exist. Americans will wake up to the reality that subsidizing a nuclear state that has not signed the non-proliferation treaty is illegal, and to the consequences of that reality for what it says about them, about international Judaism, and about the direction of 21st century diplomacy. Without US subsidy there is no Israel.

Since the two-state concept is a nonstarter, therefore, there is only one real solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is a unitary state that is integrative, secular, democratic, and fundamentally equitable in relations to all its citizens – in the sense nor merely of genuine equality of opportunity (requiring massive investment in education, healthcare, transportation, and housing for all) but also in terms of full compensation for previous wrongs committed and redistribution of wealth. This state needs to be independent of the political, financial, and other shenanigans of Western and Arab powers. It will not be easy, but it is possible, with hard work, and infinitely more possible than an artificial arrangement that presages ever more racist hostility, violence and destruction, international opprobrium, inequality of wealth and opportunity, the nihilist seduction of nuclear weapons.

The Puppet State

Israel and the US media like to concentrate on what they claim is extensive aid to Palestine from Iran. They do not pretend to explain how it is that a country like Iran which is demonized by the West for its alleged aspiration to and near-realization (they insist) of nuclear weapon status, and whose “threat” status in terms of sophisticated technology requires regular Mossad and US assassinations of Iranian scientists and military personnel, can be responsible for the horribly low sophistication and inefficacy of Palestinian weaponry that for the most part has been paralyzed since 2011 by Israel’s Iron Dome, a US gift to its regional proxy. Either Iran is a good deal less sophisticated than US and Israeli fear-mongering propaganda needs us to believe, or that Shia-dominated Iran is not wholly enthusiastic about supporting Sunni jihad in Palestine, or that Palestinians are quite self-sufficient in the manufacture of ineffective missiles (in ever larger numbers so as to ensure that at least a handful penetrate the dome). Probably all three explanations apply.

The country that is shockingly dependent on foreign goodwill and subsidy is Israel. The USA provides Israel nearly $10.5 million in military aid per day, while it gives the Palestinians $0 in military aid. This dwarfs the amount that the USA provides to any other state. Israel has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll ($142 billion in total cumulative aid, not adjusted for inflation, by 2020; if opportunity costs and costs to US taxpayers contingent upon the main aid are included, the total could run to several trillion dollars). The US President’s request for Israel for 2021 represented approximately 59% of total U.S. foreign military financing worldwide, and one fifth of its entire foreign aid budget. Annual military financial aid to Israel represents approximately 20% of the overall Israeli defense budget. Israel’s defense expenditure as a percentage of its Gross Domestic Product (5.3% in 2019) is one of the highest percentages in the world. US subsidy to Israel, paid for by US taxpayers with a direct negative impact on their quality of life, also feeds the Israeli economy. Contrary to usual US policy, Israel is allowed to use over a quarter of US military aid to purchase equipment from Israeli manufacturers. This has fortified the Israeli arms industry to the extent that by 2020 it had become the world’s eighth largest arms exporter, selling $7.2 billion in military goods to other countries. Some US aid feeds into other parts of the Israeli economy. Israel is using an estimated $1.2 billion each year (38.7% of the aid it receives from the U.S.) to directly support its domestic budget. The USA also contributes funds for the joint U.S.-Israeli Missile Defense Program, Iron Dome. For FY2021, Congress authorized $500 million for this purpose.

By contrast, the US has never provided military aid to the Palestinians. Aid to Palestinians is largely designated for the policing of their own people as well as for humanitarian and development needs. Such funds are only authorized once Congress has received proof that they will be used for “non-lethal assistance. The State Department sought $215 million in economic assistance and $35 million for non-lethal security for the Palestinians for FY 2019, down from previous annual averages of $400 million and $100 million for economic and non-lethal security assistance, respectively. The US Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided the Palestinian people with some indirect economic assistance through funds distributed to US-based NGOs operating in the West Bank and Gaza. The UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) receives US financial backing for food, shelter, medical care, and education for many of the original refugees from the 1947-1949 Arab-Israeli war and their families—now comprising approximately 5 million Palestinians in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza. The US annual allocation to UNRWA amounts to less than one tenth of the amount of its military aid to Israel, even though these funds make up nearly a third of UNRWA’s budget. The Trump administration in 2018 announced an indefinite cessation of all UNRWA funding from the USA and in 2019 the USA withheld all funds to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. These measures were expected to be rescinded by the Biden administration.

About $50 million in US assistance to the Palestinians goes to Israel, which uses the money in part to pay off Palestinian debts to Israeli service providers such as electricity companies. All such aid to Palestine, for whose care Israel has a nominal responsibility, enables Israel to use up more of its own budget to confiscate Palestinian land and promote illegal settlements. Recent research has shown that at least 78% of international aid money to the West Bank and Gaza ends up in Israel’s economy. Between 1973 and 1991, a massive sum of $460 million of US funds was allocated to resettling Jews in Israel, many of them now occupying the West Bank illegal settlements. Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are also regularly sent to Israel in the form of “tax-deductible gifts” for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Other US money ends up in the Israeli government’s coffers under deceptive pretenses.

Not only do gross inequities in the politics of aid as between Israel and Palestine invite sharp criticism from the perspective of basic principles of fairness but invite unfavorable comparison between US largesse for Israel and stinginess towards US citizens. For example in this continuing period of pandemic, progressive broadcaster Sonali Kohatkar noted in May 2021 that more than 60 percent of Israelis are vaccinated, which is 20 percentage points higher than the USA. Due in large measure to US largesse, Israel experiences lower infant mortality and maternal mortality rates than the USA., likely as a result of the universal health coverage its citizens enjoy, and which will appear in the USA only when hell freezes over.

Apartheid State

UN under-secretary general and Executive Secretary of the UN Economic and Social Commission of Western Asia, Rima Khalaf, introduced the 2017 ESCWA report on Israeli Practices Towards the Palestinian People and the Question of Apartheid as the “first of its type” from a UN body that “clearly and frankly concludes that Israel is a racist state that has established an apartheid system that persecutes the Palestinian people.” ESCWA comprises 18 Arab states in Western Asia and aims to support economic and social development in member states. The report was prepared at the request of member states. The report found the “strategic fragmentation of the Palestinian people” was the main method through which Israel imposes apartheid, with Palestinians divided into four groups oppressed through “distinct laws, policies and practices”. Although Israeli agents did their best to smear the report and the Commission that had produced it, the ESCWA judgment was endorsed and updated by an even more damning report in April 2021 from Human Rights Watch (A Threshold Crossed:Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution).

War is not even the worst outcome of the imperial misjudgment which the foundation of Israel represents. Far more pernicious is the staggering injustice of it for the Palestinian people and the message of Israel’s boastful claim to immunity for injustice that it has disseminated for over seventy years.

Human Rights Watch detailed the extent of the wrongs daily perpetrated by Israel in defiance of intensifying demographic disparities and in the name of securing a permanent, political majority on the basis of race and religion. Its report identified a range of inhumane acts carries out by Israeli authorities in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT). These included sweeping restrictions on movement; confiscations of land; categorical denial of building permits, leading thousands of Palestinians to leave their homes; denial of residency rights to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and their relatives; an effective freeze on family reunification over the last two decades; suspension of basic civil rights, such as freedom of assembly and association, depriving Palestinians of their voice.

Many such abuses have no legitimate security justifications; others fail any reasonable balancing test between security concerns and the severity of the underlying rights abuse. Inside Israel, the government has systematically discriminated against and violated the rights of Palestinians by refusing to allow access to confiscated lands, even making it virtually impossible for tens of thousands of Palestinians in the Negev, for example, to live lawfully in the communities they have lived in for decades. Israeli authorities have refused legal recognition to 35 Palestinian Bedouin communities, making it impossible for their 90,000 or so residents to reside lawfully. The objective is to maximize the land available for Jewish communities. Israeli law considers all buildings in unrecognized villages to be illegal, allegedly excusing the demolition of 10,000 Bedouin homes in the Negev between 2013 and 2019.

Israeli authorities refuse to permit the more than 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were expelled in 1948, and their descendants, to return to Israel or the Occupied Palestinian Territories. They impose blanket restrictions on legal residency, which block many Palestinian spouses and families from living together in Israel. In the West Bank, confiscated land, much of it privately owned by Palestinian, accounts for one third of the total land which authorities declare is “state land.” More than 30 percent of the land used for settlements is acknowledged by the Israeli government as having been privately owned by Palestinians. It is virtually impossible for Palestinians to obtain building permits in those parts of the West Bank (60%) under full Israeli control. Inside Israel, authorities have confiscated 65 to 75 percent of all land owned by Palestinians before 1948, and 40 to 60 percent of the land that belonged to Palestinians who remained after 1948 and became citizens of Israel. Such discriminatory land policies cram Palestinians, accounting for nearly a fifth of the Israeli population, into municipalities that have jurisdiction over less than 3% of all land in Israel, and that lack opportunities for natural expansion that are enjoyed by Jewish municipalities.

Authorities have restricted the entry and exit of goods to and from Gaza, limiting access to basic services, devastating the economy, and making 80 percent of the population reliant on humanitarian aid. Centrally provided electricity is available for between 12 and 20 hours per day. Water is critically scarce, and the UN considers more than 96 percent of the water supply in Gaza “unfit for human consumption.”

While allowing Jewish settlers to move freely within the West Bank, Israeli authorities prohibit Palestinian ID holders from entering areas such as East Jerusalem, lands beyond the separation barrier, and areas controlled by settlements and the army, unless they secure difficult-to-obtain permits. They have erected nearly 600 permanent obstacles, many between Palestinian communities, that disrupt daily life for Palestinians. Israel’s 1952 Citizenship Law contains a separate track exclusively for Jews to obtain automatic citizenship. By contrast, the track for Palestinians conditions citizenship on proving residency before 1948 in the territory that became Israel, inclusion in the population registry as of 1952, and a continuous presence in Israel or legal entry in the period between 1948 and 1952.

Israel has repeatedly expressed its intention to retain control of East Jerusalem in perpetuity. According to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), Israel has expropriated more than one-third of East Jerusalem for the construction of settlements, despite the ban under international humanitarian law on transferring civilians to occupied territory. Israel has zoned only 13 percent of East Jerusalem—home to 380,000 Palestinians—for Palestinian construction. Because building permits are in practice expensive and difficult to obtain, much construction takes place illegally, providing the authorities with the pretext to demolish the buildings and evict the residents.

“Throughout most of this area, Israel is the sole governing power; in the remainder, it exercises primary authority alongside limited Palestinian self-rule. Across these areas and in most aspects of life, Israeli authorities methodically privilege Jewish Israelis and discriminate against Palestinians. Laws, policies, and statements by leading Israeli officials make plain that the objective of maintaining Jewish Israeli control over demographics, political power, and land has long guided government policy. In pursuit of this goal, authorities have dispossessed, confined, forcibly separated, and subjugated Palestinians by virtue of their identity to varying degrees of intensity. In certain areas, as described in this report, these deprivations are so severe that they amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution.”

Since 2008, the Israeli army has launched three large-scale military offensives in Gaza in the context of hostilities with armed Palestinian groups. As described in the report, those offensives have included apparently deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure and killed well over 2,000 civilians. In addition, Israeli forces have regularly fired on Palestinian demonstrators and others who have approached fences separating Gaza and Israel in circumstances when they did not pose an imminent threat to life, killing 214 demonstrators in 2018 and 2019 alone and maiming thousands. These practices stem from a decades-long pattern of using excessive and vastly disproportionate force to quell protests and disturbances, at great cost to civilians. Despite the frequency of such incidents over the years, Israeli authorities have failed to develop law enforcement tactics that comport with international human rights norms.

Unequal Voting Rights

Excluding Gaza, one in every 4.5 people living under Israeli rule does not have the right to vote; that one person is (almost) always Palestinian. If Gaza is included, it is one in three who is not represented. The Israeli Knesset rules, except for the Gaza Strip which exercises a (very) limited degree of independence since the 2005 disengagement. The rest of the territory is under complete Israeli control. The Israeli government has a monopoly over the use of force in the West Bank, it controls the central bank and the only currency (the shekel), it collects some of the authority’s taxes and it has full control over the borders. Palestinians wishing to travel outside the country need to do so through borders controlled by Israel, and only with special permits issued by the army. Writing in 2012, Journalist Noam Sheizaf calculated that the parameters that determine political participation in Israel break down according to ethnic and geographic lines: in the West Bank, for example, Jews can vote while their Palestinian neighbors – regardless of whether they live in “Palestinian” Area A or in “Israeli” Area C – don’t vote. Things are more complicated in Jerusalem. He concluded that 7,659,000 people living in Israeli territory had voting rights, while 2,128,115 people had no voting rights. If Gaza was included, the number of unrepresented climbed to 3,820,372, or roughly one in every three people.

Reporting in 2019, Amnesty International noted that even when Palestinians got to be elected they were targeted by discriminatory regulations and legislation that undermined their ability to represent and defend the rights of the Palestinian minority population. Its report, Elected but Restricted, demonstrated that the right to freedom of expression of Palestinian members of the Knesset (MKs) was threatened by discriminatory legislative changes, proposed bills and Knesset regulations. It highlighted the inflammatory rhetoric used by Israeli government ministers to stigmatize Palestinian MKs and exposed how bills put forward by Palestinian MKs were unfairly disqualified on discriminatory grounds.

Rooted in Imperial Conflict

The birth of Israel is rooted not in any collective guilt for the horrendous abuse of the Jewish people by Nazi Germany (although this terrible episode did much to confuse the issues at stake for Palestine in the 1940s), but in a much earlier, arrogant British pursuit of short-term imperial interest in conceding to Zionists the promise of a land that had long been settled by others.

A history of claims to a Jewish homeland in Palestine date back at least to the 1897 First Zionist Congress and were endorsed in 1917 by a declaration from Arthur James Balfour, the British foreign secretary, to Lionel Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild (of Tring), a leader of the Anglo-Jewish community, which committed Britain to “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” The declaration specifically stipulated that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.” The document did not address the political or national rights of these communities and did not refer to them by name.

The Balfour Declaration was endorsed by the principal Allied powers, was included in the British mandate over Palestine, and formally approved by the newly created League of Nations on July 24, 1922. The Mandate for Palestine included a binding obligation on the British government for the “establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.”

In May 1939, however, the British government recommended a limit of 75,000 further immigrants and an end to immigration by 1944, unless the resident Palestinian Arabs of the region consented to further immigration. In 1947 the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state and the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that divided Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations. On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel, which was immediately recognized by US President Harry S. Truman.

Endless Succession of Wars

In addition to conflicts between Palestinians and Jewish settlers before World War 2, and between Jewish settlers and the British occupation army (the Jewish Insurgency in Mandatory Palestine) from the late 1930s onwards, major conflicts between Israel and Arab powers, involving Palestinians (and, over time, focusing increasingly on the largely Israeli controlled and/or occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank), include:

1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 – July 1949) between Jewish and Arab militias leading to the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, which established the armistice lines between Israel and its neighbors, also known as the Green Line.

Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s) involving infiltration of Arab guerrillas infiltrated from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers.

Six-Day War (June 1967) between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Israel won this conflict and its territory expanded significantly to include the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), Golan Heights, Sinai and Gaza. (Sinai was later restored to Egypt in 1979 following the Oslo Accords).

War of Attrition (1967–1970) between the Israeli, Egypt, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization, in a failed attempt by Egypt to recover Sinai.

Yom Kippur War (October 1973) between a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel in a failed attempt to recapture territories lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War

Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982) followed relocation of the PLO to South Lebanon from Jordan and subsequent attacks on Israel. Israel’s Operation Litani sought to expel PLO forces from the territory.

1982 Lebanon War (1982) in which Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon and expelled the PLO from the territory and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.

South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) between Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese Christian proxy militias against Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah in South Lebanon.

First Intifada (1987–1993), the first large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Al-Aqsa Intifada (2000–2005) – the second Palestinian uprising.

2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) between Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military, settled by a United Nations-brokered ceasefire August 2006, and Israel’s lifting of its naval blockade of Lebanon in September.

Gaza War or Operation Cast Lead (December 2008 – January 2009) between Israel and Hamas. Israel declared an end to the conflict on 18 January and completed its withdrawal on 21 January 2009.

2012 Israeli Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) an offensive on the Gaza Strip.

2014 Gaza War or Operation Protective Edge (July–August 2014), an offensive on the Gaza Strip.

2021 Israel–Palestine crisis or Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 2021)

Since 2008, therefore, the Israeli army has launched four large-scale military offensives in Gaza. These have killed well over 2,000 civilians and often deliberately. Israeli forces have regularly fired on Palestinian demonstrators and others who have approached fences separating Gaza and Israel, killing 214 demonstrators in 2018 and 2019 alone and maiming thousands.

Totally Foreseeable and Foreseen

This perennial slaughter has for long been foreseen. Celebrated voices of concern, identified by Ron Forfother, include the US King-Crane Commission to examine the question of Palestine in 1919, which realized that the establishment of a Zionist state could likely be achieved only through dispossession of current residents and force of arms. Rabbi Judah L. Magnes, first president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, wrote in 1929 to oppose a Jewish Home in Palestine “built up on bayonets and oppression.” There could never be peace without a wholescale change in Zionist ideology. Mahatma Gandhi said in 1938 that successful settlement of the Jews in Palestine could only be based on Arab goodwill. Albert Einstein was skeptical that the nature of Judaism was reconcilable with the idea of a Jewish state. In 1942 the American Council for Judaism was formed rejected the creation of an exclusively Jewish state as undemocratic. Loy Henderson, director of the US State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, argued in 1947 that the UNSCOP (U.N. Special Committee on Palestine) plan, if adopted, would guarantee the permanent extension of conflict and that it contravened various principles of the UN Charter itself, such as self-determination and majority rule, by upholding the principle of a theocratic racial state, and introducing discrimination on the grounds of religion and race against persons outside of Palestine. Leading philosopher Bertrand Russell said in 1970 that the tragedy of Palestine lay in the handing over of their country by a foreign power to another people, making many hundreds of thousands of innocent people permanently homeless.

Pretexts for Uprising

Only this broader historical background of abuse can make satisfactory sense of any particular act of Palestinian subversion of, or resistance to, Israeli forces as occurred for eleven days in May 2021. In addition to the broad context, former US President Donald Trump had in 2020 revoked a $200 million aid package to Palestine (restored by his successor, Joe Biden, in May 2021) and offered Palestinians a totally unacceptable “deal of the century,” which called on Palestinians to recognize Israel as a Jewish state with all of Jerusalem as its capital, to give up the right of return that would allow Palestinian refugees to live in Israel, to accept the annexation of the Jordan Valley and the illegal Israeli settlements there, and, as the Guardian put it, to live in a series of Bantustans (effectively inaugurated by the much-touted Oslo accords of 1993) connected by roads and tunnels that would all essentially be controlled by Israel (pretty much an extension of the current reality).

Immediate Cause for Violence

Nightly raids and violence by Israeli police and Jewish extremists on Palestinians in devastated East Jerusalem, in the context of forcible evictions of families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, would be sufficient pretext. Jewish riots and rampages were directed by a well-coordinated leadership composed of Zionist and Jewish extremist groups, according to reporter Ramzy Baroud, including the Otzma Yehudit party and the Lehava Movement, with the implicit or explicit support of Israeli politicians, among them Knesset member Itamar Ben-Gvir and the Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, Arieh King. Another factor, explains Baroud, is Israel’s court system, which has provided what he describes as a veneer of legality for the targeting of Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem. The legal basis is the 1970 Legal and Administrative Matters Law, which allows Jews to sue Palestinians for properties they claim to have owned prior to the establishment of Israel on the ruins of historic Palestine in 1948. Palestinians are excluded from making similar claims about the properties from which they have been driven. Confiscated homes are often sold to Jewish settler organizations to build yet more colonies on occupied Palestinian land. In February, the Israeli Supreme Court awarded Jewish settlers the right to have Palestinian homes in Sheikh Jarrah but allowed Palestinians to relinquish ownership rights to their homes and continue to live there as tenants.

Prior to the May uprising, the fundamental injustices suffered by Palestinians were addressed in 2021 at the UN event, Delivering Critical Assistance for Palestine Refugees: Challenges and Opportunities in a Complex Context. Philippe Lazzarini, the Commissioner-General of UNRWA told the attendees of growing despair in the refugee camps of the West Bank, Gaza, Joran, Lebanon, and Syria. Gwyn Lewis, Director of UNRWA Operations in the West Bank, reported a dramatic Covid impact on the economy — 40 percent households on the West Bank experienced income decline by more than half [and] unemployment increased in the camps, by 23 percent. In Gaza, unemployment hit 49 per cent.

The May 2021 intifada was not the bloodiest, but it may have been the most significant of the three since 2008 – given the strange US policy lacunae since the arrogant intervention by President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner’s 2019 “peace plan.” (Palestinian representatives rejected the entire plan from the outset and refused to be involved in any aspect of its creation). The May 2021 uprising featured more Palestinians in Israel protesting for greater equality and an end to discrimination and exposed the Oslo Accord “Bantustan” concept as counterproductive, yielding as it did four different variants of the Israel/Palestinian crisis. At least 279 Palestinians were killed (compared to 12 Israeli deaths), including 66 children and 39 women, and 1,948 others injured in Israeli attacks on Gaza, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. More than 525 businesses were damaged or destroyed, including at least 50 factories, along with hundreds of small businesses. Electricity cuts and Israeli suspensions of fuel deliveries shut down even more. Israeli authorities closed most of the Gaza fishing zone, meaning nearly 3,600 fishermen lost their daily income and food (In 2012 Israel denied more than 3,000 Palestinian fishermen access to 85% of the maritime areas agreed to in 1995). The UN has estimated that nearly 450 buildings were damaged, including six hospitals, 53 schools and 11 primary healthcare centers Attacks on civilian infrastructure were more pernicious even than charges that the West routinely and often mistakenly cites against the Assad regime’s damage to rebel strongholds as it moved to recover sovereign Syrian territory from jihadists from 2015. More than 1,000 housing units in 258 buildings had been destroyed. 14,500 homes suffered damage. More than 100,000 people had been internally displaced, and about 10 times that number had little access to piped water because of the destruction of three major desalination plants, as well as power lines and sewage works. 400,000 people were without access to a regular supply of clean water, leaving hundreds of thousands without access to basic hygiene. Even before the recent hostilities the average daily consumption of water was just 88 liters per capita, below the global optimal requirement of 100 liters. In addition, Israeli police made over 1,500 arrests, 90 per cent Palestinian, despite a significant number of communal attacks by right-wing Jewish groups. Another 500 people were targeted for detention.

The first Palestinian parliamentary and presidential elections in 15 years had been due to take place in May and July, but Mr Abbas (in power since 2009) had postponed them indefinitely, on the grounds that the Israeli government refused to allow polls to take place in east Jerusalem. An opinion poll conducted by the Israeli Channel 13 before the conflict found that 32 per cent of Palestinian voters supported Hamas, with just 17 per cent for Mohammad Abbas’s Fatah. Another 13.9 per cent supported Mohammed Dahlan, a rival to Mr Abbas. On the PA presidency, nearly 28 per cent backed Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and 11 per cent Mr Abbas. In effect, therefore, both Israel and Fatah had reason to suspect that the planned elections would not favor their interests and that they would benefit from their cancellation. The Palestinian Authority (PA) adopted a low profile during the May uprising, merely issuing pro forma condemnations of the Israeli bombing campaign and the staggering death toll it caused. Civic leaders, especially Palestinian youth, filled the vacuum, organizing a general strike throughout the occupied West Bank and Israel in the wake of Israeli war crimes. Significantly, the strike united Palestinians who are citizens of Israel and those who are not.

A Demographic Time Bomb

About 6.8 million Jewish Israelis and 6.8 million Palestinians live today between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the latter made up of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. The population of Israel proper was under 9 million in 2021 (8.8 million) of which Jews represented 74%, a slight decline that marked increasing numbers of those of Arab descent. Since the establishment of the State, the population has increased approximately tenfold, primarily as a result of the high immigration of Jews into the country. In recent years the Jewish population has grown by approximately 1.8% as against a growth rate of 2.4% for the Arab population.

Israel in 2021 accounted for about half of the global population of Jews. The world’s “core” Jewish population, those identifying as Jews above all else, was 14.6 million in 2018. The “connected” Jewish population, including those who say they are partly Jewish or that have Jewish background from at least a single Jewish parent, in addition to the core Jewish population, was 17.8 million. The United States of America also has a large population of Jews, around 7 million, with a majority living in New York, California, Florida, and New Jersey. These are the only two nations with Jewish populations that exceed 1 million.

The Israeli government seeks to ensure that Jewish Israelis maintain domination across Israel and the OPT. The Knesset in 2018 affirmed Israel as the “nation-state of the Jewish people,” declaring that within that territory, the right to self-determination “is unique to the Jewish people,” and establishing “Jewish settlement” as a national value. To sustain Jewish Israeli control, Israeli authorities have adopted policies aimed at mitigating what they have openly described as a demographic “threat” that Palestinians pose. This is the basis of the movement to overt apartheid identified by Human Rights Watch (see above).

Apartheid policies seek to limit the population and political power of Palestinians, grant voting rights only to Palestinians who live within the borders of Israel as they existed from 1948 to June 1967, and limit the ability of Palestinians to move to Israel from the OPT and from anywhere else to Israel or the OPT. Other steps include “separation” of Palestinians between the West Bank and Gaza, prevention of the movement of people and goods within the OPT, and “Judaization” of areas with significant Palestinian populations, including Jerusalem as well as the Galilee and the Negev in Israel.

Conclusion

Israel is in danger of becoming a failed state. Its demographic engine will ensure numerical superiority of Arabs over Palestinians, even in Israel itself, as time goes forward. This will force a theocratic and racist authority to ever more short-term suppressive and brutal measures over Palestinian rights in Israel and Palestinian existence in the OPT. Their actions will lose Israeli authorities the support of intelligent Americans and Europeans, of international Judaism itself, and of Muslims everywhere. For humanitarian but also for strategic reasons it will become obvious that Israel has become a moral and strategic liability, an anachronism in the modern world. This will have negative implications for its attraction as an investment destination. There will be just too many other ways of making money. China and Russia will be perceived as better, and safer partners, than American proxies and the sinking American hegemon. Turkey and Saudi Arabia, even Shia Iran (in alliance with Baathist Syria) will find more subtle ways to pick up the mantel of religious identity and safeguard the regional interests of all Muslims in and around Israel. Under ever more intense economic, political, cultural and environmental pressures, Israeli intellectuals and liberal religious leaders, in association with allies in the USA and pro-peace movements everywhere, will direct their attention more seriously to unitary-state alternative visions for a new and equitable political entity freer of identity politics. US politicians will learn to follow.

Oliver Boyd-Barrett is Professor Emeritus at Bowling Green State University, Ohio, and at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona. He is an expert on international media, news, and propaganda. His writings can be accessed by subscription at Substack at https://oliverboydbarrett.substack.com.

 
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  1. Salaam- there is only room for one state -PALESTINE.The occuping entity has no moral,legal,historical,religeous or any grounds for its continued existance on muslim land.Al -Quds is neither east nor west- holy Quds is islamic.That part of humanity which is humane must now rise up and stand with the Palestians.From the river to the sea-there can be no freedom and peace untill Palestine is free.Salaam.

  2. A123 says:

    Palestinians Jews have 4,000-6,000 years of history in Jewish Palestine.

    Palestinian Christians have 2,000+ years of history in Palestine, anchored by critical locations (Nazareth, Golgatha, Gethsemane, etc.).

    Colonization by non-indigenous Jihadi Settlers occurred ~1,400 years ago. The headline should read:

    One Non-State Terror and Two-State Bunkum

    One Non-State Terror — Colonial, non-native Islam wields terror against indigenous Palestinians (Christians & Jews).

    Two-State Bunkum — Giving native Palestinian land to Islamic Settlers, is retroactively endorsing 1,4oo+ years of Colonial land theft. It is a Bunkum strategy that can never work.
    ______

    Nightly raids and violence by Israeli police and Jewish extremists on Palestinians in devastated East Jerusalem, in the context of forcible evictions of families from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, would be sufficient pretext.

    Does the author mean the Jewish land that was ethnically cleansed by TransJordanian Muslims? (1)

    [MORE]

    Hamas Rocket Attacks Are Based on a Lie

    Hamas has orchestrated unrest — an unrest that appears to be escalating toward war — because the Palestinians are likely to lose their legal fight, and for good reasons. … the eviction of squatters who refuse to pay rent hardly qualifies as a violation of basic human rights, much less an act of “ethnic cleansing.”
    _____

    The Sephardi Community Council and the (Ashkenazi) General Council of the Congregation of Israel — purchased the land in 1876, more than 70 years before the foundation of the State of Israel.

    In 1948, the Transjordanian Arab Legion ordered residents of the Nahalat Shimon and Shimon Hatzadik neighborhoods to leave their homes for the majority Jewish western half of Jerusalem. The legion expelled Jews from the areas it conquered. The residents duly fled their homes.

    In 1956, the government of Jordan, in cooperation with the United Nations Relief Works Association (UNRWA), arranged for the housing of 28 Palestinian refugee families in the area of the abandoned homes in the Shimon Hatzadik neighborhood. Jordan built new apartments and the families leased the homes, paying a nominal rent.

    The Jewish trusts that purchased the land back in 1876 requested the areas be returned to them. In 1972, Israel accepted their claims, and ownership of the disputed area was transferred to the trusts in the Land Registry.

    [Fatah and Hamas leaders] expect Israel’s Supreme Court to acknowledge Nahalat Shimon International’s claim to the land and to evict the families who refuse to pay rent. Hamas may have encouraged the riots, sparking the cycle of violence that has brought Israel and Palestine to the brink of war, in order to prevent this final resolution.

    Why are you surprised that Palestine Jews want to reverse ethnic cleansing by non-Palestinian Islam?

    Why are violent Muslims, like yourself, totally committed to Apartheid?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/05/15/the-hamas-rocket-attacks-are-based-on-a-lie-n1447193

     

  3. Genocidal megalomaniacs who imagine that they are the master race. The Zionist enterprise will inevitably fail. It’s adherents deserve no sympathy, and, when the time comes, no mercy.

    • Agree: druid55
    • Replies: @aspnaz
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  4. LarryS says:

    This band of Native Americans came at night and threw my family out of our home and took my car and truck and forced us into the desert with only what we could carry.

    We continually tried to get our home back by throwing rocks at the windows but they would shoot back at us with guns.

    Eventually they offered us a peace deal. They would give back my car and truck if we signed the deed to the home to them.

    I want my home back.

    • LOL: Dumbo, meamjojo
    • Replies: @dude dudley
  5. @clay sucre

    Totally agree. The bubble has been punctured and the propaganda machine is working on overtime to put a cover on the embarrassment. Perhaps it is the beginning of the end!
    As Ms Helen Thomas (RIP) who was a member of the WH press corp told GWB “the European and Russian Jews can go back from where they came to resettle”. This was her response to GWB when he said that they have to resettle and have no where to go during a press conference.

  6. Dumbo says:
    @clay sucre

    See? This is why I don’t trust Palestinians either. The author deliriously dreams of a “secular, democratic state”, perhaps with gay and BLM parades and all that is supposed to mean “democracy” today, but then a Muslim comes and patiently explains that “non-muslims” have no right to establish themselves in “Muslim lands” – to which no doubt they also count Andalusia, among others. Fuck that. Jews are wrong, but Palestinians are wrong too, and there is no solution to the conflict.

    Two-state, as the author well argues, is impossible because they will always be belligerent.

    But the dream of a “one-state, secular and democratic” is also impossible, because no one in the region wants that either (and perhaps, rightly so – who needs more GloboHomo?).

    But what’s the solution? I have no idea, perhaps bringing back the ancient Romans to administer the area.

    Or simply forgetting the idea of nation-states in the region altogether – just stop all military and financial assistance and let Arab herders and Jewish haredim settle it among themselves. It’s not our problem.

    • Agree: Rogue
    • Replies: @Hughes
    , @George Kenny
  7. FB says: • Website

    Oliver Boyd-Barrett is Professor Emeritus at Bowling Green State University, Ohio, and at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, and Daytripper Emeritus at Magic Mushroom University, Disneyland.

    No disrespect intended, but I read through this whole painful piece in its entirety, hoping to hear just what supernatural force is going to bring into this poor old world that magical One State of Israel-Palestine, consisting of seven million Jews, plus seven million Palestinians, each and every one with full citizenship, voting rights, equal access to education and healthcare—and why not, holding hands around a beach campfire and singing kumbaya?

    I do appreciate this detailed cataloging of the situation, which really amounts to slow motion ethnic cleansing. That has been obvious to me for over 30 years. When and how is this supposed to start changing?

    When there is one Palestinian guy in buckskins and moccasins singing Last of the Mohicans on a street corner in Jerusalem?

    No. This is pure dreaming.

    What’s wrong with Israel pulling down its illegal settlements and pulling back to within the Green Line, its pre 67 border, as several outstanding UNSC Resolutions demand?

    Israel is a treaty member of the UN and those resolutions are BINDING!

    It’s called international law. And either the US gets with the rest of the world and demands that its client state start obeying the law…or else…well, nothing. More of the same slow motion ethnic cleansing.

    And we’ll be here 20 years from now with someone still hallucinating about the fairy tale kumbaya state.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Marckus
    , @Ruckus
    , @L.K
  8. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:

    The Likud has painted itself into a strategic dead end over the last 30 years. The Likud realizes this at some level. Therefore, one notes the increasing paranoia and crazy talk among Likudniks and their allies.

    There are 2 paths towards a lasting Peace. This hasn’t changed in decades.

    The first path is for the Likud to finally accept the boundries of UNR 181 and its framework. The boundries of the 2 states outlined in UNR 181 remain the only internationally recognized boundries of the 2 states. The second path is a 1 man, 1 vote unity state with a right of return of all refugees.

    The failure of the Likud’s grand strategy is apparent. If the Likud wants to save the Jewish State, then accepting UNR 181 as the framework is its only choice.

  9. Z-man says:

    The only way The Zionist Entity will dissolve (lose) is from internal decay which is a good possibility.
    They have the nuclear (Samson) option and the unquestioning support of Dumbo, the Christian Zionist run USA, with that fruit cake ‘Linda’ Graham* being the poster child example of that. Even Donny pledged fealty to Zion. Dumbo (The USA), might actually crumble before Zion. The Jew run negroes might be the ultimate victors which will bring them back to Palestine, lol!! I doubt that last scenario.
    Whites, as disappointing as they’ve been the last 50 years or so, will have a breaking point. Who knows what that will be. Another more militant Negro appointed to the WH? Negroes and others raping and pillaging suburban America, Europe? I don’t know but something will happen.
    Going back to the Palestinian question, the big disappointment is the Ay-rab world. The Egyptians, Jordanians and even the Saudis have been bought off by ZOG bucks. No push back from any of them against the Zionist beast.
    I just read the ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ review on this site and it definitely shows the inferiority of the the Ay-rabs and as follows other non white/European races. In a just world 2 to 3 billion non whites would be eliminated as soon as possible and include about 6 thousand of the richest, most despicable Jews. Ok, make that 60,000, lol.
    * Ah, ‘Linda’ Graham, she should be raped and ‘drawn and quartered’ by a gang of blacks/Muslims. At least targeted for skull capping.
    Wishful thinking on my part, including the genocide of billions, ‘Jesus forgive me’.

    • Disagree: Dumbo
  10. @A123

    Christians are the only rightful possessors of the Holy Land. Jews broke their covenant with God when they rejected the Messiah despite His fulfilling every prophecy made the Old Testament made regarding the coming of the Messiah. By doing so, Jews are no longer the Chosen People but an accursed people, which fact is reflected in both their fate and their behavior. Christians are now the People of God and, therefore, the rightful inheritors of the Holy Land. Moslems are indeed interlopers in the Holy Land with no legitimate claim to it. Their so-called holy sites are not holy in any way and should be torn down.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  11. BAP says:

    You are all jewish, you took over the government and anything that has a considerable amount of power or money.

    You have an epidemic of psychopathy and sociopathy, this means you are prone to crime and will never try to solve anything, only stall, pretend to care and other distrations for idiots.

  12. meamjojo says:

    Since the two-state concept is a nonstarter, therefore, there is only one real solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is a unitary state that is integrative, secular, democratic, and fundamentally equitable in relations to all its citizens – in the sense nor merely of genuine equality of opportunity (requiring massive investment in education, healthcare, transportation, and housing for all) but also in terms of full compensation for previous wrongs committed and redistribution of wealth.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha….fuhgeddaboudit

    • Agree: Rogue
    • Replies: @Marckus
  13. Israel – foundling of a failing empire (British) on the backyard of another (Ottoman), within the nightmare shadow of a third (Nazi), adopted by a fourth (US)

    If this is the standard of historical analysis, then it’s no wonder we are in trouble. The first Zionists bought land from the Ottomans in Palestine about 1880 and were given millet status. It cannot be stated too strongly that it is unlikely that there would be a state of Israel today without this.

    The Balfour Declaration promised the Jews a “National Home” in Palestine, whilst respecting the rights of the native Arabs. It did not promise them an independent state. Its principal aim was to get Jewish support during WWI. It is very clear that the British Establishment regretted ever supporting the Declaration, even if it was non-binding.

    Palestine was a long way from Nazi Germany, and the idea that it cast a “nightmare shadow ” is absurd. Quite the contrary. The Third Reich permitted German Jews to leave for Palestine with their wealth, and even seems to have subsidised this in other ways.

    Finally, Israel was not adopted by the the American Empire. Rather it is the other way about. American Jews, nearly all Zionists, are the majority shareholders in America Inc. It is they who decide American policy re Israel. In fact, many would claim that America is merely an arm of the Israeli Empire.

    • Agree: HdC, CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @BAP
  14. @clay sucre

    All so-called “Muslim land” has been conquered by force in the past. If you accept legal-possession-by-conquest of Muslims, then you also should accept the same of Jews. Might is right. Jews are mighty in Palestine, therefore it is theirs.

    To make this message clear to the hypocritical Muslims, the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa mosque should be destroyed. That will teach them a lesson that “ALLAH” is not so “almighty” after all and maybe they will begin to see through their fanatical illusion.

    BTW, apart from their “might-is-right”, the Jews have religious and historical rights on Palestine far older than the Muslims, to wit: more than 1600 years.

    Palestine was conquered by arch-imperialist “caliph” Omar in 638. But you are not against imperialism, if only it is Muslim, right?

    • Agree: Sarah, meamjojo
  15. Smith says:

    One Palestine.

    The jews can be palestinian.

    • Replies: @Anon
  16. sally says:

    OBB your One state terror piece summarizes much of the history of the area thanks.

    These included sweeping restrictions on movement; confiscations of land; categorical denial of building permits, leading thousands of Palestinians to leave their homes; denial of residency rights to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and their relatives; an effective freeze on family reunification over the last two decades; suspension of basic civil rights, such as freedom of assembly and association, depriving Palestinians of their voice.

    They have erected nearly 600 permanent obstacles, many between Palestinian communities, that disrupt daily life for Palestinians. Israel’s 1952 Citizenship Law contains a separate track exclusively for Jews to obtain automatic citizenship. By contrast, the track for Palestinians conditions citizenship on proving residency before 1948 in the territory that became Israel, inclusion in the population registry as of 1952, and a continuous presence in Israel or legal entry in the period between 1948 and 1952.

    Because building permits are in practice expensive and difficult to obtain, much construction takes place illegally, providing the authorities with the pretext to demolish the buildings and evict the residents.

    Unequal Voting Rights

    If should be relatively simple to see that nearly all things above this sentence are controlled in one way or another by rule of law. and i agree with your statement:

    “The birth of Israel is rooted not in any collective guilt for the horrendous abuse of the Jewish people by Nazi Germany (although this terrible episode did much to confuse the issues at stake for Palestine in the 1940s), but in a much earlier, arrogant British pursuit of short-term imperial interest in conceding to Zionists the promise of a land that had long been settled by others.”

    But the birth of Israel was about using the nation state as weapon to control the situation, to take control over the wealth of the Arab place and to provide cover for the acts of terror necessary to bring about the nation state of Israel.

    The nation state allows those with control over the nation state to make laws, Laws accomplish efficiently, what no army can efficiently do. The nation state law making power allows to the Oligarch to order those in charge of the nation state to convert public lands and to capture ideas and inventions created by the public or those in service to employers, into defined bits and pieces. The nation state the uses it law making power to to privatize what before was public property and public rights or property and rights owned by others into property owned by those the laws say it is owned by.

    The nation state is a weapon invented by the Oligarch to allow law to define a border around a piece of the nation (some spot in a oil rich oil field, some valuable land plot, the invention of electricity, the invention of the internet, the software the government wrote, the land ripe for profitable development). Then nation state enacts laws which relocate the defined area or thing from the public domain to the private domain. Once the defined piece(software, hardware, land, rights) is in the private domain, the rich man always wins.

    I think the birth of Israel, was not only about privatizing everything so the Oligarch could steal it, but it was also about creating the protection of sovereign immunity. Sovereign immunity allows those in charge to bilk the public for resources, manpower, and money to fund the military and police and the instruments of government, thereby relieving private interest from the cost and risk of engaging in terrorism (Palin Commission) and funding essential infra structure.

    In other words, sovereign immunity and nation state monopoly power work to convert <=privately funded terrorism into public funded, state militarism and to convert public resources into privately owned property. For those seeking the oil under the Ottoman Empire, a nation state was essential to their plan to own the oil under the middle east. They needed a military to protect their oil claims and they needed a nation state to convert public owned Arab oil into privately owned Oligarch oil.

  17. Hydra says:

    The argument that Jews have a natural born right to that land because of their ancestry there has always been the main but weakest one. At what time does that right occur or when is it replaced by the same one of a successor or predecessor? If Jews in Manhattan argue as such, they must also return their real estate in Manhattan to the screwed successors of the original Native Indian population there- would they?!
    I have little sympathy for both sides now in general, nor for the roles the UK, US and Germany played in creating the current dilemma.
    Israel surely has a right to exist by now, but it has just a bogus, fabricated claim on that land, it exists and continues to exist solely due to applying the law of the strongest and is now also guilty of many abuses, injustices and atrocities there- claims that such and other criticism is anti-semitic diminish real anti-semitism and either will only harm Jews and Israel over time.
    Palestinians and their backers always acted and continue to act deluded since 1948, violent and, above all, unsuccessful when doing so: they dug much of the holes they are now in themselves.
    I have no idea whether a two state solution can still be made to work, or whether that one state paradise the author envisages can instead be created. I agree with his scepticism of the first but doubt the latter even more, as the therefore necessary good faith on both sides is even more necessary, more absent and more fragile.
    I think that would necessitate a one state area for the most fanatic Orthodox Jews, but then, they are the last to give any ground anywhere.
    Another alternative to make it happen would be the subsidized and well supported emigration of Palestinians to Western countries of their choice, but how high would the uptake be?
    I know only 1 thing: any solution requires huge payments by those who created this mess to the Palestinians for a long time to come, and here, the US, UK and Germany are really coming back into play again.

    • Disagree: Sarah
    • Replies: @Marckus
  18. AaronB says:

    Israel is in danger of becoming a failed state.

    One of the most intriguing phenomena of our time, is the denial of reality. One sees this with transgenderism and the Woke attempt to simply claim reality is what we would like.

    It is the spirit of our time, on both the left and the right. If you don’t like your gender, simply claim reality is not what it is. If you don’t like Israel, simply pretend it’s really on the way out.

    Our age, is the great age of make believe, where we try and “imagine” a reality more to our liking, by an act of sheer will, by an act of closing our eyes.

    It is a fascinating phenomena of mass psychosis, that is related to the the increasing interest in conspiracy theories. It is also related to religion, and the invention of other worlds.

    I regard this as a hopeful sign, that we are a little fed up with “reality”, and “facts”, and ate starting to create our own private worlds.

    I think it’s the religious impulse in subterranean operation, doing it’s thing. It seems silly in it’s current manifestation, because it is still an immature impulse, and still competing over “reality”.

    But lately, among the anti-Israel people, there is a growing mass psychosis, a shared attempt at self-hypnosis, that symbolically, represents a desire to transcend reality, that is religious in nature, and thus a positive indication.

    • Agree: Marckus
  19. aspnaz says:

    Too long: there is not that much interesting info on Israel.

    USA normies love Israel, they were taught it in school, they are programmed idiots.

    The solution is the collapse of the USA, so this problem will be gone soon.

    • Replies: @Løvstuhagen
  20. aspnaz says:
    @traducteur

    Which is worse:
    1. The people who rebranded flu as Covid.
    2. The genocidal megalomaniacs.

    Or are they one and the same? Nah, the Zionists are thugs, the Covid godfather has more power.

  21. onebornfree says: • Website

    “The country that is shockingly dependent on foreign goodwill and subsidy is Israel. The USA provides Israel nearly $10.5 million in military aid per day, while it gives the Palestinians $0 in military aid. This dwarfs the amount that the USA provides to any other state. Israel has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll ($142 billion in total cumulative aid, not adjusted for inflation, by 2020; if opportunity costs and costs to US taxpayers contingent upon the main aid are included, the total could run to several trillion dollars). ”

    Well ,duh! Israel is just another part of the US welfare system, in this case, the stolen money is dished out by criminals [the US government], to other criminals [the Israeli government].

    Government “solutions” [such as welfare- for anybody], never work- always causing even worse, never forseen consequences. Get the government entirely out of the welfare business – its just another government scam.

    Regards, onebornfree

  22. Katrinka says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Galatians 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.

    The jews cannot lay claim to Palestine. It belongs to the Christians, if it belongs to anybody.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  23. Smith says:
    @FB

    UN international laws has much power and legibility as the powers that enforce it, as all laws.

  24. MLK says:

    Bear with me for a second . . .

    The Physics’ law of the conservation of energy applies in a fashion to geopolitics and internal power politics. It cannot be created or destroyed, merely transferred.

    Empires and powers wax and wane, and even rise and fall, and we all conspire in “never mind about that now!” when we’re all caught with our pants down.

    I’m alluding to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. I’m only half joking that the USG under Obama and now “Biden” committed to CCP China taking over the world so that within a generation our “Unipolar Moment” Sad Story would be forgotten.

    In any event, the point I wanted to make is that Iran had its revolution at the moment when “Everyone Agrees!” reigned about the Soviet Union, and what turned out to be right before it shit the bed. It’s been burdened with that failed model ever since.

    Iran, with the collusion of a weak and, illegitimate “Biden” administration, pushed its Palestinian button in furtherance of the payoffs promised Iran for its role in operation Get Rid Of Trump. For all the arm-waving, it’s baldly obvious that Israel is being offered the same sort of “unwavering support” as Kiev.

    It’s worth remembering that all of us powerless observers have it within our power to maintain respect for ourselves. In the instant case that means not being willingly snookered into believing that Iran cares anymore of the fate of the benighted Palestinians than any other power. Indeed, if the rockets from Gaza and social unrest within Israel hadn’t done the trick, Hezbollah would have stepped up to the plate.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  25. Leo Den says:
    @A123

    That land was NEVER Jewish. It was Hebrew at one point. All Hebrews are DEAD.

    And non-semitic converted Jews of today are not Hebrews nor the “descendants” of Abraham to whom God gave this land.

    However, Palestinian Arabs are Semites, descendants of Abraham.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/a-brief-history-of-the-kingdoms-of-israel-and-judah/

    • Replies: @Løvstuhagen
  26. Israel doesn’t support the existence of white countries. Quite the opposite. They don’t even support free speech for whites. Therefore I’ll have plenty of beer and popcorn ready for the day when Israel proper is over-run.

  27. Marckus says:
    @Hydra

    Your comment is sound and well balanced. I share your view without qualification. AaronB also writes some very cool and well thought out comments. Like him, my sentiment is that on UR and in life in general there is a tendency, a habit really to wish things were the way we would like them to be. Thinking or rather dreaming in this way leads to invalid conclusions which when acted upon lead to devastating results.

    That said, on this site you MUST be against Israel and for the Palestinians. No balanced or nuanced argument or comment is tolerated.

    Even if you say you are fed up with both this is interpreted to mean you are just dissimulating. You pretend to be impartial, you pretend that you are equally fed up with both parties BUT you are really a Jew lover in disguise.

    Therefore both you and I are Jew supporters, Schlomo trolls, Hasbara flunkies and on Tel Aviv’s payroll etc. All this nonsense. What passes for rebuttal is sheer drivel some of it unintelligible rants. If you want to have some laughs you could read my comments and the responses in the article “Recantations are all the Rage” on UR. Make sure you have someone nearby to help you off the floor.

    With a few exceptions UR seems to be evolving into an echo chamber where there is little thought and the multitude yelps and howls in unison.

    Like dogs in the Pound, when one barks all the rest join in without really knowing why. I call them Marckus’ dogs. I have improved on Pavlov’s experiment. He needed to ring a bell for his mutt to foam at the mouth. I just need to say “Israel Forever” and the UR poodles go wild, gnashing their teeth, salivating, snarling and snapping at their muzzles LOL.

    I have to confess I had a great time yesterday and today is going to be another day of giggles. .

    • Replies: @anonymous
  28. Marckus says:
    @MLK

    In the instant case that means not being willingly snookered into believing that Iran cares anymore of the fate of the benighted Palestinians than any other power.

    Marckus’ response to your wise observation is…………….AMEN !

  29. Clyde says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Islamic imperialism has been the world’s strongest, most enduring imperialism over the last 1400 years. Muhammad was their first blood drenched Jihad warrior and the leader of Islamic Jihad armies while he lived. If Israeli Jews took back some of the land that useless eater Muslims conquered, then good for them. They are doing lots more beneficial things in Israel than in neighboring Muslim nations.

    Islamic imperialism / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests
    3 Military campaigns
    3.1 Conquest of the Levant: 634–641
    3.2 Conquest of Egypt: 639–642
    3.3 The War at Sea
    3.4 Conquest of Mesopotamia and Persia: 633–651
    3.5 The end of the Rashidun conquests
    3.6 Explanations for the success of the early conquests
    3.7 Conquest of Sindh: 711–714
    3.8 Conquest of the Maghreb: 647–742
    3.9 Conquest of Hispania and Septimania: 711–721
    3.10 Conquest of Transoxiana: 673–751
    3.11 Afghanistan Area
    3.12 Other campaigns and the end of the early conquests
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

    • Agree: Sarah, Marckus
    • Replies: @anonymous
  30. Z-man says:
    @Ray Caruso

    It may belong to Christians religiously but it belongs to Arabs, mostly Muslim, demographically.
    Unless like me you would support real genocide.
    I hope for The Second Coming.

  31. “If the two-state solution were going to work, it would have worked by now. It has had at the very least, twenty-five years of gestation. It was and is a still-birth. It has not worked, because it could never have worked.”

    The Jew never had any intentions of creating two states; in fact, he wanted the whole piece of the pie for himself from the day one. All else is merely shenanigans!

  32. Marckus says:
    @meamjojo

    Yeah, well , Ah, Hum…………Am. I am struggling to formulate some polite words.

    Like you , when I read this piece of hogwash pimped as a prudent solution by our illustrious blogger / author with hyphenated name, I wondered if he took the Covid vaccine directly into the brain and was then dropped on his head.

    What passes for thought these days would so astound and astonish a donkey cart man, he would run right off the road, cart, donkey, driver and load.

    Like you I laughed hard and then stopped. Stupidity is serious business and I have never read anything so nonsensical.

    If this is what passes for intellect these days then God help us !

    • Agree: meamjojo
  33. Liza says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    How are we to decide who should own and control a piece – any piece – of land? The people (ethnic group) who were there first? Whichever ethnic group who – by their own hard labor – cleared the land and thereby provided food for themselves and set up a society? Those with friends abroad who give much financial and military support to whatever group wants to live there?

    Better forget about “morality” in this discussion, because the Christian version will be twisted out of all recognition.

    Can’t unscramble this one without Americans and other English speaking countries, who because of their own history, being held to some standard they might find uncomfortable. White people evil and guilty, toujours, no matter what.

  34. Anonymous[966] • Disclaimer says:

    Magisterial piece. But the conclusion pulls your punches. Israel is already a failed state in law, as it cannot or will not protect peoples under its control from crimes against humanity. HRW is doing what they always do, plea bargaining – copping to the world’s decades-old consensus to obscure the current reality.

    Roth admits OK, it’s Apartheid. Bullshit. It’s gone way beyond Jew supremacist apartheid. Any independent court will find that the Israeli command structure is guilty of the crime against humanity of extermination, Rome Statute Part 2 Article 7§1b, universal jurisdiction law authorizing, and obligating, prosecution or extradition by any UN member nation, with no statute of limitations.

    Not genocide. The law of genocide has too many loopholes for eradicating indigenes. The wartime allies put them in because of their problem of Amerindians, Congolese, Mau-mau, Indians, opium wars, Arab Revolt, etc. etc.

    Israel’s plan and program of Palestinian extermination dwarfs the holocaust genocide in gravity and scale. It discredits and delegitimizes Israel and the USA together. Both regimes forfeit their sovereignty in this crime. Time to knock them over.

  35. Chris Moore says: • Website

    If Biden and Blinken cannot do better than drag out the shibboleth of a two-state solution they either do not have a grip, are incapable of getting a grip, or they are committed to a solution that they know perfectly well is a piece of nonsense. The principal reasons are as follows. The idea of a two-state solution is a commitment to the creation of two adjacent extremist feudal, theocratic entities, of which one is a highly militarized, rogue nuclear power that is heavily dependent on US subsidy for its continued existence, and the other is divided between a sleepy stooge (Al-Fatah), in charge of the Palestinian Authority, and several jihadist groups of which Hamas is currently the most energetic, heavily subsidized by a cluster of Islamic, Arab, and Iranian powers, among others, all with their own state interests.

    What does a cabal of Globalist-State Corporatist banksters, shysters and money-worshipers do when their “integrationist” grand scheme doesn’t work because of the fundamental nature of the parties they’re attempting to integrate?

    If they’re kosher international Zionists, blame whites.

  36. The Israel haters in this forum continually predict Israel’s demise. That prediction seems to fly in the face of the fact that Israel has gone from strength to strength over the years since its founding in 1948, militarily, economically, and socially the latter referring in part to free education for all and universal health care. Palestinians in the West Bank suffering from grave disease are eligible for Israeli health care in Israeli hospitals. Israeli Arabs who make up ~20% of Israel’s population are free to emigrate but choose to remain in Israel. One-fifth of Israel’s doctors, one-fourth of the nurses and almost half of the pharmacists are Arabs.

    Here you have a fully functional and successful nation yet one may read here an unending number of essays predicting (i.e. hoping) for Israel to disappear.

    Current aid from the US to Israel amounts to $4 billion a year which is 1% of an economy whose GDP is $400 billion a year. 75% of that aid is earmarking for buying American military gear. This may be seen as a subsidy going to American military gear manufacturers in the US.

    These anti-Israel articles are full of falsehoods and animus. What motivates the authors to write them? The simplest explanation is that the authors are expressed their personal hatred of the Jewish people. I don’t know where that hatred was acquired. However it seems likely that harboring that hatred is deeply satisfying to the hater. Understanding the mechanism(s) of that hatred is no easy matter. Jean-Paul Sartre wrote a book Réflections sur la question juive translated under the title Anti-Semite and Jew: An Exploration of the Etiology of Hate. The first half of the essay addresses the anti-semite, the second half the nature of the jew. I did not find the latter very convincing – I don’t think Sartre had any first-hand knowledge of the average jew although he doubtless knew some Jewish intellectuals who for all intents and purposes did not represent the average jew. On the other hand, his examination of the anti-semite is more profound. If I remember aright, it is his thesis is that that the anti-semite hates his own emptiness, his acidie and transforms into jew-hatred. Ingenious theory but not proved.

    • Agree: Sarah
  37. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Fine, just do not do it with Christian soldiers fighting your wars, American tax dollars, deceptive media, underworld gun runners and theft of weapons and designs, blackmailing politicians, attacking our First Amendment, and a plethora of other bloody criminal behavior at the expense of America. Like assassinations. RIP James Forresstal. Like remember the USS Liberty.

    Israel First has been exploiting and abusing America for years and years. Time to stop this parasitic arrangement. No more aid. No more sympathy. No more dual citizenship of Israelis in USA. Register the AIPAC and other NGOs as foreign agents, Disarm the nukes or join the nuclear weapon community formally = allow inspections. Etc.

    Some light unto the world.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @lydia
  38. anonymous[682] • Disclaimer says:

    38, in which the parasite rubs his hookworm tummy and tells you how nice it is in your intestines. He has the nicest little worm bolus in your bowels.

    Waah, waah, I’m so successful but you hate me! You are an Antivermite! You are empty and too torpid and listless to blow up indigenous babies with airplanes, or shoot boys’ legs off from safe cowardly towers behind massive fortifications, or arrest and torture teenaged girls. The goy Sarte said so!

    Uh oh, here comes the ivermectin!

    • Replies: @Liza
  39. Hughes says:
    @Dumbo

    Let Israel became normal demilitarized non dependent country which doesn’t benefit from both military and economic aid from aboard and you’ll see the horde of self proclaimed jews to come homes into their real country. The Israeli unlike their Palestinians or arabs counterparts who can make do with less in the Mediterranean and middle east region, they hail from fertile and rich lands out in Europe with completely different climates either (they burns under Mediterranean suns or became undesirable brown skinned arabs).

    Most of them are migrants coming for the promise of social benefits that doesn’t exist in their home countries such as but most especially the US.

  40. Hughes says:
    @Anonymouse

    Israeli fate are tied into US hegemony and financial capacities. As you can see progressing live right now the US the Israeli golem are hollowed and cracked under the bizarre debt systems it tried to maintain.

  41. Marckus says:
    @Anonymouse

    YES ! I am grateful you put these FACTS on the table. It won’t take the blinkers off the rabble but I am afraid nothing will do that.

    You are no Anonymouse but a Monster LION.

  42. Jim H says:
    @Anonymouse

    ‘Current aid from the US to Israel amounts to $4 billion a year which is 1% of an economy whose GDP is $400 billion a year.’

    Though relatively trivial to Israel’s economy, US aid to rich OECD member Israel (as Boyd-Barrett points out) represents a large chunk of all US foreign aid. Include the billions that pay neighboring Egypt and Jordan to make nice to Israel under Jimmy Carter’s peace deal, and this motley trio of two dictatorships and one apartheid regime sucks up a third or more of all US foreign aid.

    The Israel lobby in the US continues to strong-arm the US Congress into disbursing these obscene sums, not because Israel really needs it, but simply because it can. Like an abusive spouse, the Lobby is simply indulging in an arrogant power play to inflict humiliation and servitude on Americans.

    One of the most fundamental human emotions is resentment at being suckered. The Lobby’s multigenerational stranglehold on Congress elicits exactly this reaction.

    Then, the icing on the cake is applied when reasonable opponents of unmerited US aid to Israel are maliciously tarred as antisemites. This is a great way of converting people who hold no animus at all toward Jews into REAL antisemites.

    Keep up the good work! 🙂

  43. The only thing the Jewish State of Israel has going for it are the foreign Jews who support it, the hundreds of Messianic Christian Missionary cults adoration of it, and the US government using tax payer funds as bribes in a endless pay to play extortion racket that protects government/Corporate entities from receiving the same treatment as JFK, RFK, MLK…ad nausea.
    And then there are the sand monkeys, desert nomads just as inbreed as there Jewish cousins, who without oil would be humping goats and camels instead of some of our finest female stock.
    Watching them Nuke each other would be a sight to see as long as the fallout is contained like Nagasaki and Hiroshima, I’m good to go.

  44. @Anonymouse

    Jews are worse than ChiComs when it comes to stealing trademarks, patents and secrets. Einstein working at the Trademark and Patent Office, nuke theft from US, more Ponzi schemes and predatory corporate takeovers than from any other race in history. See board names, Ponzi names, most all Jews.

  45. onebornfree says: • Website

    “If the two-state solution were going to work, it would have worked by now. It has had at the very least, twenty-five years of gestation. It was and is a still-birth. It has not worked, because it could never have worked.”

    This “just” in:

    There are no government solutions to any problem in this world, big or small.

    Government “solutions” always make a situation even worse than it was before the new “solution”.

    Which means that looking for any new solution to the Israel/Palestine problem that originates from , and involves even more government, via any government, is a complete waste of time- a fools errand.

    Government “solutions” never work: https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Agent76
  46. @AaronB

    The only example of make believe here is you making believe that Israel will endure despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

  47. Agent76 says:

    May 24, 2021 Wilkerson – Is Israel a Strategic Asset or Liability?

    Col. Lawrence Wilkerson argues that American one-sided support for Israel is a danger to the region and U.S. interests. He says the U.S. should withdraw militarily from the Middle East and end support for Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    May 22, 2021 Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss peaking in Jersey City

    Anti-Zionist Jews from Neturei Karta joining pro-Palestinian rally in Jersey City, New Jersey, on Fridays, May 21. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss peaking.

  48. The Palestinian conflict is never going to end until the Zionists stop the thieving of property that belongs to the Gentiles and the control over every major facet of their lives. The only peace the Zionists want is a “piece” of every square kilometer of Palestine for themselves.

    How this got started requires a brief recollection of the geopolitical history of this region in the Middle East.

    Here is a map of the land of Canaan after the 12 Hebrew tribes conquered the people of Canaan (see: https://www.biblestudy.org/maps/division-of-promised-land-to-twelve-tribes-israel.html ).

    Each tribe (except Levi) received a division of the land. Canaan was then called “Israel” after Jacob’s name changed to Israel.

    In 1050 BC, the 12 tribes united as the Kingdom of Israel and Saul was its first King followed by David and then Solomon. This great and mighty nation began to decline after Solomon died. In 930 BC, the kingdom split into the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah.

    So at this point in ancient history, the land of “Israel” exists although as two separate sovereignties. In 723 BC, the northern Kingdom of Israel is conquered by the Assyrians and 137 years later the southern Kingdom of Judah is conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BC. The united nation of Israel that lasted for about 464 years ceased to exist in the middle of the 6th century.

    In the 5th century, the Greek historian Herodotus sojourns to the land and refers to it as Syrian “Palestine.”

    The Persians rolled in and conquered the Babylonians, the Greeks conquered the Persians, the Maccabees (also called the Hasmoneans) defeated the Seleucids (Greeks) and finally the Romans conquered Judea in 63 BC. Jewish people were either killed or escaped to other countries but some remained.

    So for over 2,500 years the land formally known as Israel did not exist and the name “Israel” could not be found on any cartographer’s map.

    As the centuries passed, Jewish people began to return to Palestine. Many did because of being persecuted for various reasons but others returned to maintain cultural and spiritual ties to Palestine.

    In 1947 the Jewish population grew to about 500,000 while the Muslim and Christian Gentiles had a total of about 1.4 million in Palestine.

    Since the Zionists muscled their way into Palestine, the Jewish population today has grown to millions more than the Gentiles and has over 600,000 illegal expansion settlements in the occupied territories.

    The talk about the one State solution is folly given the nearly equal populations of Jews and Gentiles in Palestine today.

    1. The Jews will never allow the Gentiles to have equal representation in government. Even today, twenty percent of Israeli citizens are Gentiles yet none of those elected officials hold any governmental positions of power.

    2. Two of the basic Laws of Israel are discriminatory in favor of Jewish citizens over Gentiles (Nation State and Human Dignity and Liberty). The likelihood of these laws being amended are fraught with political back-door challenges.

    3. The Israeli army will still loiter among the civilian population to “keep the peace” and the civilian police force will still be comprised of Jews.

    The two State design is very complex as it would require (1) a land-swap to establish contiguous areas within both countries (2) relocation of both Jews and Gentiles to their respective “new nations” (3) equal access to resources in the geography (i.e. water, fertile land, access to the Mediterranean Sea etc.) (4) Jerusalem declared its own City-State like the Vatican (5) the political will between both sides to accomplish items 1 – 4.

    In summary, there is no final solution but the threat of violent, all out war between the two main belligerents, which is a continuation of the history of the land.

  49. BAP says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Israel – foundling of a failing empire (British) on the backyard of another (Ottoman), within the nightmare shadow of a third (Nazi), adopted by a fourth (US)

    He is right, everything orbitates around jews, arabs, freemasons, americans, germans, … all of them big nosed and related to each other, and every other façade your mafia invented to play all sides of every conflict and get what they want.
    No amount of pilpul should be able to override this fact.

  50. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Hi, A123 “the Christian.” You say Palestinian Christians have only existed in Palestine for 2000 years while Jews have existed for 4000. What were Palestinian Christians before they became Christians, not human? And where did they live, Eastern Europe? You really don’t sound very Christian, you know. Does your cultural background teach that lying is bad or good?

  51. druid55 says:

    The Ziotrolls – Meamjo, A123, Aaron B team, Fran?, Marckus, Dumbo (name-appropriate), Caruso, etc., are out in force today, spewing their usual shite!

    • LOL: Marckus
    • Replies: @Uncommonground
    , @Marckus
  52. Liza says:
    @anonymous

    He has the nicest little worm bolus in your bowels.

    You have a way with words. LOL.

  53. Based Lad says:
    @Anonymouse

    Anti-semite? Well you just hate your inner emptiness goyim!

    Anti-white? Go off king!!!

  54. Documentary pt 1 of 4 giving the history of al-nakba (the catastrophe) — well-named — which started long before 1948. Among other voices Jewish historian Avi Shlaim says the the Balfour Declaration was both Immoral and Illegal.
    He’s right.

    Israel is in danger of becoming a failed state.

    Nothing more certain.
    How it happens will be the issue.

  55. @druid55

    Yes, Marckus is the typical propagandist of the Ministery of Propaganda. He thinks he fools anyone. They keep telling the same tales which already 20 years ago didn’t persuade even a full idiot.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  56. BorisMay says:

    A single state can not succeed under any conditions for just the same reasons that two states can not succeed.
    The Jews have absolutely no intention of doing anything other than operating a Palestinian holocaust.
    The only viable option is for everything to be given to the Palestinians and the Jews in the Middle East return to their countries of origin or the countries of origin of their ancestors.
    Or possibly to the Jewish oblast set aside for them in Siberia by the Russians.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  57. Z-man says:
    @BorisMay

    I think the Oblast in Siberia makes more and more sense. With advancements in technology and communication they wouldn’t feel exiled as much. They could probably have good profitable relations with the Russians around them. Only thing, we have to convince the Jews in Boca to move there. (Grin)

  58. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @thotmonger

    Fine, just do not do it with Christian soldiers fighting your wars, American tax dollars, deceptive media, underworld gun runners and theft of weapons and designs, blackmailing politicians, attacking our First Amendment, and a plethora of other bloody criminal behavior at the expense of America. Like assassinations. RIP James Forresstal. Like remember the USS Liberty.

    Of course they’ll continue to do all that and more. Because as the Chosen Race, it’s their divine right. And because modern day Americans are too divided, greedy, warped, cowardly, childish, superstitious, narcissistic or self-absorbed to stop them, they’ll do it until the end of the USA, and then move on to the next mark.

    Israel First has been exploiting and abusing America for years and years. Time to stop this parasitic arrangement. No more aid. No more sympathy. No more dual citizenship of Israelis in USA. Register the AIPAC and other NGOs as foreign agents, Disarm the nukes or join the nuclear weapon community formally = allow inspections. Etc.

    Why not charge them and their co-conspirators with 9/11 treason and crimes against humanity? That would wipe out a huge chunk of the corrupt kosher fascist government and establishment, both for foreknowledge and ipso-facto knowledge and profiteering, as well as the criminally propagandist or negligent fourth estate and the oligarchy that owns and runs it.

    There, problem solved.

    Anything less, the nation ends as described in paragraph one.

    • Agree: Robjil
  59. We have seen how difficult it has been for the US (2 or 4% Jewish), the UK (%?), and France %?) to live with the alien nation within. Now imagine a Pal-“is” conglomerate! 40 to 50%! As they say on Tokyo Olympic taxis: “Start your impossible.”

  60. @Dumbo

    Agrred and Yes stop all the 3.8billion/year and let them fight it out amongst themselves. $3.8 billion a year … it takes a while to get your head around that number, just imagine the quality of life that could be attained if all that was spent domestically in the US except its pissed away on a bunch of cowardly, miserly and beggering, perpetual victims.
    If the average joe can’t be bothered to speak up on the moral dilemma presented in this article then I would have thought $3.8 billion dollars annually would be. In the meantime we continue to get poorer as a result of these schenanigans while zog continues to push us closer to war with russia/china so they can be our new overlords. Damn how did we get so stupid…

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  61. Sarah says:

    The real Palestinian state is Jordan. All Arabs of Judea and Samaria and of the Western part of Israel should move to Jordan.
    They could also move to the countries from where they emigrated to Israel : Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt.
    The Arab countries in in Middle East have huge spaces to resettle the so-called “Palestinians”.

  62. Marckus says:
    @FB

    What a long tedious load of hot wind and drivel. Were you up all night pondering how to write several hundred words that say nothing. Your website is also shit !

    When there is one Palestinian guy in buckskins and moccasins singing Last of the Mohicans on a street corner in Jerusalem?

    Even this is dumb. There will be no Palestinian left much less one in buckskins. If there is he must sing the Israel National Anthem or his next piece of clothing will be a blindfold. Get real here. Israel is not going anywhere

    Long live Israel and down with the Palestinians.

    Regards to you FB, I mean Fag Biatch ! LOL

    • Replies: @FB
  63. lydia says:

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07/investigative-reports/isabel-maxwell-israels-back-door-into-silicon-valley/

    Isabel Maxwell: Israel’s “Back Door” Into Silicon Valley
    By moving in “the same circles as her father” and vowing to “work only on things involving Israel,” Isabel Maxwell became a pivotal liaison for the entry of Israeli intelligence-linked tech firms into Silicon Valley with the help of Microsoft’s two co-founders, Paul Allen and Bill Gates.

    BY
    WHITNEY WEBB
    JULY 24, 2020

  64. Marckus says:
    @druid55

    Wait until Abdul, Mohammed and Faisal and another 5 Beards arrive at your house. You will be begging us and kissing our arses to save you but we wont. When those Moslems are done with you and finish grooming your lady relatives you are going to change you handle to Druid69. LOL

    And your girlfriend Uncommonground is going to be able to push his entire head up their snatch after the Bros in the Arab world are through selling them, passing them around and using them.

    I might even pass by the Bazaar and see you two fags up for sale. You know the rumour about those Arabs. If not see the article on Lawrence of Arabia LMAO

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @anon
  65. IronForge says:

    IIRC, since Trans-Jordan (which Author Fails to mention) was Annexed by Jordan, the Precedent King of Jordan stated that,

    “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.”

    IMHO, the Author is isolated from “USA_Power-Centers” of WDC and NYC; and therefore unable to see how much the ISR.Diaspora are integrated within the “Power Centers” and venues of Entities like:

    [MORE]

    Rentier-Bankers
    PetroUSD
    Military-Industrial-Congressional-Complex
    Federal_Reserve
    USA.Corporations
    Main-Stream_Media
    Publishing+Entertainment
    Social-Networks
    Christian_Churches+Organizations

    Branched Outwards to –
    5Eyes_Subsidiary-Variants of above
    NATO_Subsidiary-Variants of above
    EU_Subsidiary-Variants of above
    and finally,
    UKR-Khazarian_Subsidiary-Variants of above.

    *****
    The “Declared and Open” Tribal Headcount is closer to 20 Million, with over Half living abroad.

    Add to that:
    Ethnic “ISRaeli” Christians, Secularists, other Religions;
    Christian Zionists – Hostile or Friendly;
    Cult Wannabes – Mormons&JWs;
    Roman Catholics;
    FreeMasonry;
    Druze;
    – Contribute to the Supportive Hasbara/Sayanim Faction

    *****

    IMHO, the Author is not only naive; but deluded in thinking that Public Disdain of IDF Participation in ISR-Palestinian Conflicts and BDS Activities are going to stop and Collapse ISR.

    Wishful Thinking.

    The Author Fails to mention the Demographics of Settler Groups, which are projected to Grow and shove out Palestinians.

    ****
    Since Christianity and FreeMasonry are by Definition – Zionist Organizations – the Americas and Europe would have to leave both Organizations behind(jesus-never-existed-dot-com, btw), Voting Out/Removing/Separating from Tribal Participation from National/Local Governments and Business – as well as encouraging the Diaspora to Permanently Return – to pursue “Good Fences, Good Neighbor Paths” Separate from “Greater ISR”…

    That being said, the Diaspora may be again “Face Residential Pressures” from amongst Nation-States. With ISR established, there are no “compelling reasons” to continue Hosting Diaspora Tribals; and no “compelling reasons” (save for Legal/Business related) for the Diaspora Tribals to remain abroad.

    *****
    I’ve repeatedly Opinionated and Advocated Intervening Forced Separations and Relocations of the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza since the Status Quo will not change and the Settlers will drive out many going forward.

    EGY Offered the Palestinians parts of the Sinai, which was rejected.

    It would be Prudent for ISR to “Buy Out” the Sinai, Resettle the Bulk of Sinai (to accommodate the Diaspora), then mark out an EGY+Med-or-Red_Sea facing
    Plot of Land for the Palestinians to move to. Others can Relocate to JOR.

    I studied my Judaism and Hebrew over a Decade Ago. Didn’t Marry into the Tribe (once Betrothed in my Youth), saw enough of the Christian-Stalker-Deprogrammer+J4J_hatred-of-Gentiles+ZioMason+PersianTribal+Mormon+JW ClusterFrack Rackets spill into my Business – so it didn’t take.

    I wouldn’t recommend getting involved with Tribals on a Personal Basis beyond Work, Neighboring, and Hobbies – unless you’re Marrying into the Tribe; but if you do, you will be marginalized by the Tribals.

    I have my Tribal + Non-Tribal Friends and Acquaintances.

    Life goes on…

    OE∆

  66. @Sarah

    Even if all Israel’s wishes would be fulfilled, to wit: removal of all Arabs from its territory, annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, recognition by all Arab and Muslim nations (including Iran), what guarantee would we have that it would henceforth behave as a normal, decent state?

    Crime and terrorism has been its lifeblood since even before its founding, why would that suddenly change? Removing all Jews to Birobidzhan only would shift the problem to another place, not solve it.

    The problem of the Jews with the world lies in the Jewish mentality itself, not in the world.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  67. FB says: • Website
    @Marckus

    Look Fathead, why don’t you run along and blow your butt bugle elsewhere, hmm?

    Your loud flatulence shtick is getting a bit stale.

  68. @traducteur

    Garbage. Probably a Zionazi troll. EVERYBODY deserves mercy, while the Zionazi guilty also deserve JUSTICE in trials for crimes against humanity. STUFF any ‘Truth and Reconciliation’ process until justice has been delivered.

  69. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I hate to nit-pick, but it is the Judaic, ie cultic, mentality, not the Jewish ie collective, mentality. The closer you get to the root poison of Talmudic xenophobia and misanthropy, the more rotten and dangerous the whole enterprise is. Many in Israel, and half the Diaspora are done with the horrors of Talmudic Zionazism, and they must be supported.

  70. @Marckus

    Marckus is NOT a good advertisement for the Chosen Race, is he.

  71. @George Kenny

    For the US $3,8 billion is not much. In 2019 the US total revenue was $3,5 TRILLION. $718,69 billion of that income was spent on “defense”. Keep in mind that Israel has to spend 75% of the $3,8 billion help it annually gets on buying weapons from the US.

    The main burden of the US relationship with Israel is not its finacial help it gives it but its wars it fights for it. The war in Iraq cost more than $2 TRILLION, and that war clearly a war only for Israel.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  72. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    One Israel; the Muslims/ Christian Arabs can be full Israeli citizens and live under the star of David flag. The official language can be Hebrew, the historical narrative can be self serving of the Zionist colonizers. That would be the ideal compromise short of Israel returning to its legally recognized pre 67 war borders which it does not look like it will ever do.

    • Replies: @Smith
  73. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Jewish collective mentality is rooted in their religion. That is true even of the secular Jews. They may not know the Talmud, but the Talmudic mentality premeates the whole of Jewish culture.

    • Agree: Z-man
  74. Ruckus says:
    @FB

    With a name like Oliver Boyd-Barrett and an opening sentence of 111 words (yes, 111), what else did you expect?

  75. Smith says:
    @Anon

    Not happening with Palestinian missiles.

    The palestinians are growing stronger, the israelis aren’t.

  76. Z-man says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    EXACTLY.
    But it starts with the giveaways and the figure is really much higher when all the other payments and shell games are factored in.
    This must be stopped. BDS

    • Replies: @George Kenny
  77. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marckus

    I would not be surprised if Druid55 and his UnCommon Law Wife were batting for the other side. The Druids were some kind of priesthood who could neither write nor read. Like Priests they probably used to bugger each other. Druid and his spouse probably like an old hairy smelly Mohammedan giving them some brown sugar and a squirt of middle east oil. They got a thing for Moslems. Perhaps they like the way they all bend over in the mosque. Both of them are weird and freaky. Ron should ban these anti-semites and anti-men from this site.

  78. lydia says:
    @thotmonger

    Human Rights Groups
    Posted on May 2, 2021 AuthorRobert InlakeshComment(0)
    last Tuesday, leading human rights organisation, Human Rights Watch (HRW), became the first major international human rights group to declare that Israel was committing the crime of Apartheid against the Palestinian people. HRW released a lengthy report, which may now lead to further action being taken against Israel.
    The 224 page document, released last Tuesday, takes a look at Israel’s policies practiced against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, West Bank and inside Israel itself, defining the situation as having one single Apartheid system with different parts – all which commit persecution.

    One of the most important aspects of the report, comes in its language and definitions, with which it frequently quotes the Rome Statute and uses the definition by which the International Criminal Court’s (ICC)’s legal framework defines Apartheid. The reason that this aspect of the report is so relevant, is that it seems to be providing the ICC with the push it needs to investigate Israel for the crime of Apartheid.

    Back in January of this year, leading Israeli human rights group, B’Tselem, also put out its ‘A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea’ position paper, concluding that Israel was committing the crime of Apartheid.

    In March, the ICC announced that its chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda had opened up a formal investigation into possible war crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territories. As of now we are still left in the dark as to what exactly the court will be investigating in specific, however, we do know that they have limited themselves to crimes committed since June 13, 2014.

    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/israel-apartheid-regime-according-mainstream-human-rights-groups/

  79. @Franklin Ryckaert

    What a spectacularly stupid argument! Might makes right. By that rationale, the next strong country can do to the “is” what the “is” have done to Palestinians. Kill the people and steal the land. The “is” can never be secure in Palestine. Jews are totally in the wrong place and should go back where they came from: Poland, Germany, Russia, the USA. If they won’t have you, ask yourself why.

    • Replies: @George Kenny
  80. lydia says:

    @Omar_Gaza
    Zeina, clearly traumatized, breaks down as she talks about her experience when Israeli occupation forces arrested her as she was doing her job covering #SaveSheikhJarrah “I got out, but what about the Palestinian children who are still in Israeli jails?” #FreePalestine
    @MuhammadSmiry
    Zeina Halawani cries as she talks about 12-year old children in Israeli jails. Zeina has been detained for few days and it breaks her heart that she couldn’t do anything for the children.

    #SaveSheikhJarrah #Palestine

    Thread
    @Omar_Gaza
    Zeina, clearly traumatized, breaks down as she talks about her experience when Israeli occupation forces arrested her as she was doing her job covering #SaveSheikhJarrah “I got out, but what about the Palestinian children who are still in Israeli jails?” #FreePalestine

    @MuhammadSmiry
    Zeina Halawani cries as she talks about 12-year old children in Israeli jails. Zeina has been detained for few days and it breaks her heart that she couldn’t do anything for the children.

    #SaveSheikhJarrah #Palestine
    @Omar_Gaza
    The video was shot by Christine Rinawi
    Israel has NO EXCUSE.
    @tarek99jo
    both Arafat and Rabin signed Oslo peace accord in mid 90s and got awarded with Noble prize, what happened next?

    right wing Israeli assassinated Rabin, and the Israeli government poisoned Arafat years later

    trying to blame Palestinians for not achieving peace is ridiculous

    Journalist Zaina Halawani, released from israeli prisons:

    “we’re talking kids 12, 11 years old. Screaming for their mothers at night & im cuffed & trapped in my cell. Everytime i think of them I want to cry. Alhamdulillah im out but the children still inside (sobs)”
    @LordHaveMercer
    “I was there for only some days. But the children. What about human rights? Can no one look out for the kids? I swear to God you go to (the courts’) & the boy is this tall (mimes waist height) & you feel ashamed you cant help them at all”.

    Israel is the only “country” in the world that automatically persecute all children in military courts. 800-1000 children are aressted yearly. Usually taken from their homes & often assaulted & interrogated without parents or lawyers. They are threatned & denied food & sleep then

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  81. @Z-man

    Yes I agree with your assessment of the Iraq war and why would the USA fights wars for a foreign nation, as it continues to do so with other surrounding nations in the area, even while it’s draining both economically and societally.
    I believe the answers lie with religion aspects with the whole Rapture prediction, its the only explanation for this insanity as well as maintaining the status-quo even if that means domestic affairs decay.
    Anyhow we all know where this ends, Russia/USA & nukes, get the two big powers to destroy each other and makes the final predicted takover that much easier.

  82. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “Many in Israel, […] must be supported.”
    No. Jews in Palestine are feeding a monster. Their presence is insupportable. You want to help them occupy Palestine?!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  83. @clay sucre

    I think you are right, Clay. There should only be one state there.

    But don’t go fanatical. The reason is not because it’s part of the Islamic world which claims a supernatural right never to lose what they conquered. Tell that to the Spaniards!

    The reason is that the Palestinians are the indigenous people of that land, Canaanites and Hebrews, been there thousands of years, virtual aborigines. That they are mostly Muslim today is irrelevant. It’s their country. The European invaders / conquerors have no right to be there.

    If they want to stay they need to admit that they have annexed the lot, give Israeli citizenship to the entire Palestinian population, and let the Jews who want to, leave.

    • Replies: @FB
  84. @Badger Down

    If you know history beyond a few years ago, then you would realize that all “rights” of peoples are ultimately based in power acquired by violence. Nearly all peoples who live “in their own country” are descendants of invaders who conquered their territory by violence. Thus their “might” became their “right”. There are no “autochthonous” peoples on earth, there are only earlier and later invaders. The reason why most people don’t see it that way is because those invasions happened so long ago. “Might is right” is no absurd claim, it is the very essence of history.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  85. FB says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    If they [Israel] want to stay they need to admit that they have annexed the lot, give Israeli citizenship to the entire Palestinian population, and let the Jews who want to, leave.

    Look, that’s not realistic. It is a maximalist position, just like the dream of this article that there is going to be some kumbaya state where everyone lives happily ever after.

    The Jews are NEVER going to give up on the basic idea for a JEWISH state. They also have a point in that regard. Each people has the right to self-determination and to choose its own civilizational model [as China keeps reminding].

    The Jews want a Jewish State and they LEGALLY have one [within the pre-67 boundaries]. The solution to the occupied territories is simple, and already on the int’l law books with UNSC Resolutions demanding Israel get out [and remove the illegal settlements].

    But they are not ever even going to do that either, until they absolutely HAVE TO—nobody is making them. As long as the US provides cover for their creeping ethnic cleansing, they will continue doing so.

    But the US itself is basically a house of cards that has been hollowed out from within, with unsustainable Finance Capitalism, and may collapse in on itself as the Ponzi Economy implodes, and the world stops paying ‘tribute’ by means of keeping US dollars as ‘reserve’ currency, and thereby covering the US deficits in perpetuity.

    All China has to do is to demand to be paid in its own money, which, unlike dollars, it can spend in its own economy on its own people, and the need for anyone to hold dollars goes ‘poof.’

    And then the US finances its deficits how? [When no one is buying T-Bills, which are simply US gov IOUs].

    Every country in history has demanded to be paid in its own money for the goods it sells to others [or gold or silver]. Does the US take Mexican pesos for Boeing aircraft it ships south? China’s not going to be doing that forever either. Up to this point they had no choice if they wanted to build themselves up. But that is changing. At some point, China pulls the plug on the free ride.

    As for the make-believe US economy, there are good reasons to believe that the Ponzi implosion has already begun—thus the drastic deflating of the economy with pandemic lockdowns over the last 18 months.

    [MORE]

    The purpose was to kill demand for credit and thus keep interest rates from rising, which is the Nuclear Bomb, due to 2,500 TRILLION [according to BIS, the international bank of settlements] in casino derivatives that are held together from exploding ONLY by the expectation that interest will remain basically zero, as it has been for the last 12 years. [Since the last financial crisis, which was just a small tremor in advance of the Big One].

    Deflating the economy was the least bad option, compared to the nuclear option of interest rising and causing a monetary collapse, where there is no liquidity. Yes, that can happen—and is actually inevitable with the Ponzi Scheme that is called ‘banking.’

    Financial analyst Andrea Cecchi breaks it down, here: The Right Virus at the Right Time

    This was written more than a year ago and has proved completely prescient, about the succeeding ‘waves’ of corona outbreaks and recurring lockdowns.

    There will be periods of “tighten and loosen” always with the pandemic risk used to nausea, to limit people’s freedom by granting short bursts of freedom like this summer, to return to tighten the noose this coming autumn, and so on.

    His prediction has been 100 percent spot on.

    2019 was the last year of the world as we knew it. With 2020, we will be faced with a new reality and whether we like it or not, it will be with us at least until 2032.

    So it looks like the Ponzi House of cards that is the US ‘economy’ has already flatlined. Things can only go downhill from here. Give it a decade of tough times in the USA and let’s see if there is still the mood for unlimited largesse for Israel.

    That WILL change things. At some point, the US may throw Israel under the bus, especially if it means saving itself.

    Let’s remember that those UNSC Resolutions that call on Israel to vacate the occupied territories [from decades ago] could NOT have passed without the US approval, since it has veto power at the UNSC [along with the four other major powers].

    So there is hope for a solution whereby Israel gets out of the occupied territories and the settlements go with it. This alone would be huge for the Palestinians, who can, then, realistically have their own country and live like free people in their own land.

    That is the best that can be expected. The options of ‘one state’ or Israel just evaporating altogether simply are not realistic. Nor even fair and moral, to be honest. Israel does have a right to exist as a Jewish State, there is no question about that.

    The Arabs and the Palestinians themselves have contributed to a lot of the problems they now suffer by holding a maximalist position for years and decades, insisting on Israel’s utter demise. To say nothing of brutal terrorism that they perpetrated on innocent folks on streets, in shops and cafes, in buses, on airplanes etc.

    People forget those things, but the Jews have paid dearly in blood for Israel too.

    It is not easy being Solomon, when two mothers lay claim to the same baby. But a solution based on existing international law is the only hope. Israel will need to get used to the idea that it can exist perfectly fine without those illegal settlements on post-1967 occupied territory.

    The Palestinians need to also accept that Israel has a right to exist, and they have said that they would do that if Israel completely withdraws from the occupied territories and takes down the illegal settlements. So right there is the solution.

    The person you replied to is an extremist who is not worth talking to. You, and others, have been correct to point this out.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  86. @aspnaz

    I honestly think it is the case that the poor guys view it as their only opportunity to have “minority” allies, and also their big opportunity to talk about other people as the real racists and have people on the left actually lend them their ears.

    It is also the only time that the WASPs get to try their hand at blood & soil nationalism so it’s a fun thing to talk about their sacred homeland!

  87. @AaronB

    One must admire the gall, the sheer chutzpah of a Zionazi hasbara troll accusing others of ‘denying reality’. The real reality is that the Zionazi entity and its vile, racist, terrorist rulers are reviled by a vast and growing majority of humanity, and brute force and lies won’t save you in the end.

  88. @Leo Den

    Which is what makes the ‘anti-Semite’ trope so hilarious: the Palestinians are actual Semites, no questions asked, and many Jews are only Semitic insofar as ‘Jews’ are thought to be of the Semitic race.

    But, in reality, there is no genetic proof that truly links ashkenazim to the historic Hebrew population. Last I checked, it can be argued that some small amount of the DNA of some Jews does have likely Near Eastern origin, but really, the bulk of it appears to be generally Eastern Mediterranean, Italic, and Turkic.

    They departed in the 2nd century AD — lots of genetic drift has happened, something they occasionally try to lighten by saying “Only a little per century!” but this only disguises the fact that that maybe, what, a fifth of the DNA is Near Eastern? So says link [1] below regarding matrilineal DNA, but link [2] is not as generous, and suggests that the overall DNA of ashkenazim is a paltry 3% near Eastern.

    [1] https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html
    [2] https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origins-unravelled-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962

  89. @Badger Down

    No-I want the insufferable Zionazis to crawl back to Brooklyn Heights and Rose Bay (although, if they behave) they can visit their long-lost homeland as tourists.Those who recognise Palestinians as fellow human beings can stay in a state that might need a few decades of UK trusteeship to bed things down.

  90. @lydia

    Israel is the only “country” in the world that automatically persecute all children in military courts. 800-1000 children are aressted yearly. Usually taken from their homes & often assaulted & interrogated without parents or lawyers.

    Why increasing numbers worldwide are asking if those “people” are actually human.

    Crimes against children = true mark of the demonic.

    A disgusting hyena, a foul beast is Israel.

  91. @Ray Caruso

    Amazing how this all powerful God has such a fixation on real estate titles… Oh yes, and money.. Can create a trillion solar systems with the click of his fingers… But needs your dollars to keep the wheels from falling off.

  92. mcohen says:

    oh well…..

    “He is an expert on international media, news, and propaganda”

  93. @Badger Down

    FranklinRyckaert does have a point about might is right, if your not religious and are atheist you can pretty much do whatever you like once you have conquered as your not bunded by any sort of divine law. However these settlers in the OPT do actually believe they have a divine claim and you would think they would atleast give the indigenous people basic access to infrastructure, amenities, food, water etc. By all means dont allow them to be militarily stronger than you but atleast give them their fundamental rights as Im sure their god would agree.
    But it seems like they are anything but ‘God’s chosen people’ , it’s like that oft quoted slogan paraphrased, the people in the OPT believe they have divine claim to the land even though they dont believe in god – what a paradox!

    Perhaps they are imposters as many around the world claim they are and masquarading as something much more sinister with devilish plans …eventually. Check their books, its all there.

  94. @George Kenny

    Ask yourself how Islam was spread and how the Middle East became “Arabic”. The answer is by the sword, i.e. by “might”.

    Not only empires were created by violence, countries were created by violence too. Originally weaker tribes were subjugated by stronger ones, then city states were created, then one strong city state subjugated orthers and thus a “country” was created, all by violence.

    “Might is right” is simply the way of history.

    It is also the way of nature. Ask lions and deer for affirmation.

  95. @George Kenny

    Badger Down wrote “the people in the OPT believe they have divine claim to the land even though they dont believe in god – what a paradox!”

    Not a paradox at all. There are many atheist nationalists who believe and believed that they had a divine claim to other folks’ land. Hitler for example who did not believe in god but believed in History in the Hegelian sense and believed he had the mandate of History to build a greater Germany in eastern Europe.

    Besides, you are uninformed about the religious makeup of Israeli settlers in the West Bank. See https://www.france24.com/en/20180509-ultra-orthodox-population-grows-israeli-settlements

    Quote from the France24 article: “While the ultra-Orthodox make up around 10 percent of the population among all Israelis, they now count for a third of those in the West Bank.”

    As the ultra-Orthodox have enormous families averaging 7.1 children per family, in one generation they will be the majority of Israeli settlers in the West Bank. – Quote from https://en.idi.org.il/articles/25385: The natural growth of the ultra-Orthodox population over the past decade is steady at 4.2% compared to 1.4% among the Jewish non ultra-Orthodox population in Israel. The ultra-Orthodox population is relatively young, and numbered in 2018 over one million. 58% are between ages 0-19 compared to 30% among Jews who are not ultra-Orthodox. Ultra-Orthodox women marry at a younger age, and fertility rates are high: an average of 7.1 children per ultra-Orthodox woman compared to 3.1 in the general population.

    3.1 children per family among secular Israelis is twice the American rate. Tells you something.

    • Replies: @George Kenny
  96. @Sarah

    The real Jew state is Khazaria. Every jew in Israel of Ashkenazic descent must return their.
    The rest will be dealt with ad hoc.
    The Palestinians stay.
    Why should they leave somewhere they have lived for over 2,000 yrs? They have over 80% Hebrew dna.
    The so-called ‘jews’ do not.

  97. @FB

    Is that your childhood Fag Bitch?
    Too much gefilte fish and matzah.

  98. @Franklin Ryckaert

    That is a good outline of the satanic worldview. To paraphrase:
    All history is a vicious struggle for survival between competing groups, be they human or animal.

    The problem with this worldview is that it is a minority view, predominantly posited by predators wishing to absolve themselves from any consequences from their actions, ie. rule of law.

    Most humans have ascended, morally, ethically and spiritually, to rule of law and a life of ethical behaviour.
    They have no wish to behave like a predatory animal.
    Your logic is the same old selfish satanic drivel.

    • Agree: L.K
  99. anonymous[486] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    All so-called “Muslim land” has been conquered by force in the past. If you accept legal-possession-by-conquest of Muslims, then you also should accept the same of Jews. Might is right. Jews are mighty in Palestine, therefore it is theirs.

    And, one day it will be ours again! InshaAllah!

    To make this message clear to the hypocritical Muslims, the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa mosque should be destroyed. That will teach them a lesson that “ALLAH” is not so “almighty” after all and maybe they will begin to see through their fanatical illusion.

    Will the holiest of places in Islam somehow magically remain unscathed when missiles from the satanic pagan godless enemies of the Almighty One strike them?

    Lol! That would require a miracle, and the present is not a time of miracles. So no, we are under no such illusion.

    Our strength of faith (what you call “fanatical illusion”) comes from the logicality of the Oneness of God, True Monotheism, Islam. We are not the pagan polytheist mangods-worshippers (aka the godless) of your accursed kind. We do not depend on miracles for this simple but certain belief.

    That is unlike the pagan godless everywhere else, who go berserk with devotion at the sight of oozing blood from idols, various other “saintly miracles,” perceived images of their deities on mountains etc.

  100. L.K says:
    @FB

    You little snake. The reason you hate the one state solution is because you are a little Zionist in disguise, and the one state solution means the END of the Zionist project.

    You speak of International Law as if you care about it, but the Partition Plan was ILLEGAL in terms of International Law as it existed at the time and in contravention of the UN’s own charter. Furthermore, numbnuts, at the end of the 1948 war, which the Zionists caused, they grabbed most of the land allotted to the would be Palestinian state, again in flagrant contravention of International Law. Your heroes have also prevented the Palestinian refugees they had expelled from returning home, also in violation of international Law( UN General Assembly Resolution 194 of December 11, 1948).
    And anyway, all major experts on this issue agree that for all practical purposes, the 2 state solution is quite DEAD.

    Here is what the head of the (US)State Department’s Division of Near Eastern Affairs, Gordon P. Merriam, said of your beloved partition plan:

    “U.S. support for partition of Palestine as a solution to that problem can be justified only on the basis of Arab and Jewish consent. Otherwise we should violate the principle of self-determination which has been written into the Atlantic Charter, the declaration of the United Nations, and the United Nations Charter–a principle that is deeply embedded in our foreign policy. Even a United Nations determination in favor of partition would be, in the absence of such consent, a stultification and violation of UN’s own charter.”

    An internal State Department memorandum accurately predicted how Israel would be born through armed aggression masked as defense:

    “…the Jews will be the actual aggressors against the Arabs. However, the Jews will claim that they are merely defending the boundaries of a state which were traced by the UN…In the event of such Arab outside aid the Jews will come running to the Security Council with the claim that their state is the object of armed aggression and will use every means to obscure the fact that it is their own armed aggression against the Arabs inside which is the cause of Arab counter-attack.”

    And American Vice Consul William J. Porter foresaw another outcome of the partition plan: that no Arab State would actually ever come to be in Palestine.

    Anyway, as author Alison Weir says:

    On the other hand, the state of Israel’s vaunted “right to exist” is based on an alleged “right” derived from might, an outmoded concept that international legal conventions do not recognize, and in fact specifically prohibit.

    https://ifamericansknew.org/history/realstory.html

    • Agree: Badger Down
  101. @Franklin Ryckaert

    From what I know about the initial islamic conquests it was a sort of benign conquest initially where conversion rates were driven by reducing burdens of things like taxes on the lands the arabs reached and most conquered people were poor who saw some upliftment in their living standards by relief od tax burdens. However once the tributes started piling up the conquests turned more malignant where it just became mainly about loot and plunder and less about spreading the word. This is especially true about the Ottomans.

    But yes might is right and whats been going on in the OPT for the last 100 years is a case of ‘might is right’ gone malignant but it didn’t have to be so why has it turned out this way. The answer to that, I believe, is in the books of the zionist ideology – offshoot of judaism, a malignant strain. You can look to bitchut for 1000’s of hours of content for whats in the talmud and other books a lot has already been posted on this site to suffice for whats in there belief. One veteran bitchuter who was cancelled, who’s name I wont mention, said while Islam is imperial, like christianity, its not inherently genocidal towards other races. However this malignant strain of judaism is genocidal towards other races. Sounds absurd I know and you think the books are just a bunch of ramblings by old men but when you look at the political intrigues and schenanigans going on in the west, all collated on sites like these so we can sift through all the data… well it all starts to make sense. And I have to to admit if it werem’t for sites like this one and incrdible work done by bitchuters and youtubers doing the highlights then I wouldn’t have a clue.

  102. L.K says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well, Zionist Franklin Ryckaert, you are quite mistaken both in regards to “might makes right” as well as in your ignorant estimation of how solid/mighty the Zionist entity of israel really is. BTW, there are plenty of people who are older than israel, which should tell assholes like you something…

    “Might makes right” is not accepted by modern International Law, which in fact forbids it.
    Secondly, unlike your delusions, Israel is much more fragile than you think, for geopolitics, time and demographics are not on its side. Not to mention its artificiality.

    As the hypocrite that you are, I have noticed a post of yours claiming there is not such thing as indigenous people of this or that land… hmm, is that also valid for Europe and Europeans? What is it with all that talk about the day will come when – the likes of you??lol – will expell all non Europeans, including half-breeds, from Europe? What’s up with that, chump?
    If indigenous peoples don’t exist, then Europe is no more the land of Europeans than Palestine is the land of the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  103. @Anonymouse

    Yes it does appear the liberal, seculars are a dying breed with those birtrates occurring amongst the conservative, non-secular ultra orthodoxes.

    But I suppose it depends on what type of Orthodox we get in future that will ultimately determine what happens next:

    do we get a benign type:

    or a malignant type:

    I’m all for jewish people having a homeland if they want to practice their orthodox faith, and theyd ont believe they can do that anywhere else completely, obviously not at the expense of the palestinians although that ship sailed long ago.
    So it needs to be about the USA stopping all funding to the present zionist state so that the odds are evened and then let the two fight it out, best man wins…if they want to figt or they could decide to live under one state where all people get their full rights.

  104. L.K says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Next, former MI6 and British diplomat, Alastair Crooke, explains in “The ‘Missile Intifada’ Brings an Era Crashing Down”, the complicated situation the Zionist entity finds itself in. Damn those Palestinians, why don’t they just roll over and die already, as you wish, right? Enjoy, Zionists!

    this whole ark of military strategy rooted in massive aerial bombardment – reaching back to the 1920s, and pushing forward until today in Gaza, is expiring. It has become obsolescent (at least in the Middle East), just as did trench warfare in the wake of 1918. …

    It is clear that the Hamas rocket barrage took Israel (and Washington) by surprise. It may not have sunk in fully, but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will never be the same again. …

    Israel is spinning victory (rooted in its destruction of Hamas tunnels), yet facing failure – as in 2006. Credible reports suggest that the IDF strategy hinged on its confidence that they had mapped the Gaza tunnels. So that when the army deliberately launched the rumour of an impending Gaza ground invasion, they calculated that the Hamas leadership immediately would take to the tunnels, which the Israeli Air Force would then bomb, thus burying the movement alive. Only it didn’t happen – Hamas’ leadership were not in those tunnels, and the missiles did not cease. …

    Aluf Benn sums it up, in Haaretz (where he is editor-in-chief):

    “You can feed the public with news broadcasts arrogantly talking about “the painful blows we’ve delivered to Hamas” and showcase the pilot who killed an Islamic Jihad commander – while forgetting that this was an advanced fighter jet with precision armaments attacking an apartment building – as a modern-day version of Judah the Maccabee or Meir Har-Zion. But all these layers of makeup can’t cover up the truth: The military has no idea how to paralyze Hamas’ forces and throw it off balance. …

    one Israeli contrarian who was not locked into the prevailing mindset: “The sharpest critic of the army brass in recent years, warned that the next war would be fought on the home front – [and] that Israel had no answer to attacks involving thousands of missiles – and which its land forces aren’t able to fight”. That was Maj. Gen. Yitzhak Brik’s warning, but as so often with contrarians, he was ostracised and ignored. …

    The long ark of the strategy of bombing civilian terrains (justified by saying that terrorists are hiding there), may be reaching its ‘sell-by’ date, as Human Rights become the touchstone of foreign policy (as well as commanding domestic U.S. policy).

    This carries implications for the U.S. and NATO, as much as for Israel. …

    The last reason why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will not be same again is that the collective eruption across historical Palestine has unified and mobilised the Palestinian people – under Hamas’ military leadership. The latter are perceived as the only force capable of protecting Al-Aqsa mosque – threatened by settler attempts to seize it; or burn it – a real threat with the potential to inflame Muslims across the globe.

    As Gaza quietens for now, the next phase to this war likely will centre around Al-Aqsa, Jerusalem and the 1948 Palestinian communities within Israel. Israelis face a new reality: Hamas is not ‘over there’, but is everywhere around them; and furthermore, they also know that the possibility of the (likely) coming Right-wing coalition in Israel acquiescing to this new paradigm is zero.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/05/24/the-missile-intifada-brings-an-era-crashing-down/

  105. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Good luck with that. It just means that the “is” are going to get bumped out by a bigger badder.

  106. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I went to ask the lions, but they have disappeared from the first ten countries I visited.
    So I went looking for deer: they’re everywhere, man!
    And the meek shall inherit the Earth.

  107. anonymous[486] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ray Caruso

    The rightful possessors of the holy land are those who through heart-and-soul try and follow the blessed true monotheist Prophets who made that land holy… from Abraham, to Moses, to Jesus and finally to the leader of them all, Prophet Muhammad… peace and blessings of the Almighty One be upon them all.

    That is because, those of you who call yourselves Juden and Chrizzen will be utterly rejected by the blessed who you rabid pagan godless vermin claim to revere and/or worship (you worship MEN and GHOSTS!!!). When the blessed founders of the land have rejected your accursed paganisms, how can you be the rightful possessors of the land?!

    And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. : Holy Quran 5:116

    So ultimately, the rightful possessors can be of any race, from any place on earth, and from any time. As soon as one proclaims, “there is no God, but God,” just like all blessed prophets did from the time of Adam PBUH, they become the rightful possessors of the holy land. I do not live there, but it is mine too, because I follow in their blessed footsteps.

    All blessed prophets mentioned, and all those who came earlier, are on the side of the true monotheist muslims, as we all submit to the One and only God of all existence, and none else.

    Christians are now the People of God

    Lol!

    More like, Christians have always been the People of Mangods & Ghost, and thus of the spiritually accursed. You are hardly much different from the pagan Hindoos, who also have their own “god is in the image of man & vice versa,” and other similar theological abominations.

    That is your kind’s curse.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Ray Caruso
  108. Smith says:
    @anonymous

    I like me some mangods and womangods (and beastgods and weapongods), but Based! You tell them christians.

  109. @FB

    EFB, you have a lot to learn. Start with Shlomo Sand, The Invention of the Jewish People. There is no Jewish People. Invention! Lies! The closest one can get to them is the ancient Hebrews who are today’s Palestinians, whose ancestors found Islam more biblically Jewish than Talmudism could be.

    They “LEGALLY” have a Jewish state within the Armistice Line when they breached the Armistice?

    The nearest they could come to legitimacy would be the UN Partition Line. Again, read Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. He makes the point that the Arab armies that went in in 1948 the rescue the Palestinians from Jewish terrorism did not attack the Jewish partition! There was no War of Independence, only a war of Jewish aggression and conquest outside that partition, when they and they only had modern armaments.

    And even that UN Partition Line was not the result of a UN resolution, was only a recommendation. That does not create legitimacy.

  110. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marckus

    Lol! Projecting, are we, Mucus? Accuse others of that you are guilty? It may work with innocent children, not with the cynics here.

    No matter what you say, you are a hasbara whore. You claim neutrality, but you are a zionist (perhaps evangelical?) bitch nonetheless. Your burn in the hole when juden are savaged, and deep-throating support of other hasbarists here, is a dead giveaway.

    Unz has mentioned that the judenscum tried to ignore his site, but it seems that the lowlifes are finding that counterproductive, hence they are unleashing their hyenas. A distinct rise in numbers of such vultures here.

    Ultimately, most of you whitevils are pagan godless necrophiliacs. May the Almighty One rot your evilisation from within, and the worst amongst you (which includes you), suffer the most unimaginably horrifying damnation, here and the Hereafter.

  111. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde

    Spread of true monotheism will always be beneficial to the transgressing souls of mankind. If it took the sword once upon a time, then so be it. At least at present it is through peaceful means right? 😀

    Your evilisation’s pagan godless mangods-worship has condemned you accursed vermin to an eternity in Hell. More horrifyingly so for the most rabid amongst you.

    There will come a time when you godless lowlifes will wish that your accursed forebears had converted too, even if under the threat of the sword.

  112. FB says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Actually, it’s you that has some VERY BASIC things to learn.

    UN general assembly resolutions do not have the weight of any kind of law. They are ADVISORY only.

    Only UN SECURITY COUNCIL resolutions are legally binding, upon all UN member states. In fact, they are the FINAL WORD in international law.

    So the UN partition plan that you refer to and which was endorsed by a UNGA resolution [before 1948] is meaningless.

    Israel was admitted into the UN by treaty, as with every other UN member. It was done so under its pre-1967 borders, so those are its LEGAL borders as a state.

    Look, I’m not going to waste more time with you. There is a lot more to the entire story, but it is pointless to try to argue with UNZ pinheads.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  113. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Israel was admitted to membership of the UN on May 11, 1949 and has been recognized by 164 of the 193 memberstates of that organization. See map:

    If that doesn’t create legitimacy, then what does?

    Of course legitimacy does nor confer impunity for rogue behavior, but to condemn that UN resolutions have been adopted many times, without however questioning Israel’s existential legitimacy.

    As for the ideas of “genius” Shlomo Sand, he is a half-Jew with a communist background and a self-denying agenda.

    A people exists, if it considers itself to exist, whether other groups like it or not. Ethnic existence is ethnic self-consciousness. As such Jews exist already for over 3000 years. Palestinians also do exist, but their self-consciousness is a very recent development.

    We should not question a people’s existence, but its behavior. There is much to criticize in the behavior of Israel in particular and of Jews in general, but to question their existence smacks of an annihilatory agenda.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  114. @L.K

    You don’t understand macro-observations and macro-history. If you did, you would acknowledge that nearly all states of the world have been created by violence, and that nearly all peoples of the world are descendants of invaders. In that sense “might is right” simply describes historical reality.

    In nature, among animals, “might is right” is even more true: the strong animals eat the weak. Human “resolutions” cannot alter that fact in nature at all, and in history barely so.

  115. L.K says:
    @FB

    FB

    Israel was admitted into the UN by treaty, as with every other UN member. It was done so under its pre-1967 borders, so those are its LEGAL borders as a state.

    Pure sophistry, and quite crude BTW, by a ZIONIST(FB) in disguise.

    What FB wants is for the ILLEGAL Zionist project, created through conquest and ethnic cleansing to succeed, while pretending to be in favor of a completely unfair 2 state solution, and, more importantly, a 2 state solution which has been made IMPOSSIBLE by his Zionist heroes… iow, it’s dead.

    So, only the ONE STATE SOLUTION really remains, but Zionists like FB obviously don’t care for that at all. What a surprise…

    But then again, what could anyone expect from an entity(FB) who cracks jokes about the mass rape and murder that German women suffered at the end of WW2…

    • Replies: @FB
  116. FB says: • Website
    @L.K

    Well, I know I am going to regret engaging with your silly ass—but here goes nothing.

    First, everything I said about international law is not only factual, but also very *educational* for UNZ pinheads that don’t know these things.

    Second, the way that Israel came into being in those years of 1948 and ’49 is indeed tragic. No decent person wishes to rationalize that tragedy in any way. Hundreds of thousands were expelled, like this family:

    Palestinian refugees leaving the Galilee in October–November 1948

    BUT…and this is some crucial historical background: much of this was due to the duplicitous British. If blame is to be handed down for the failure of that original international initiative for the partition of Palestine along roughly equal lines, in terms of territory [UNGA 181] it must be assigned in large part to Britain.

    Could the partition plan have succeeded? Probably yes, but we will never know now.

    The British were playing a double game—that is absolutely incontestable in hindsight. They supposedly started the whole thing of a Jewish Homeland in their colonial possession of Palestine [Balfour Declaration], but when it came down to it, they started supporting extremist Arab elements—in the end, quite openly marshaling the Arab military action and setting the two sides to killing each other. The British specialty of divide and conquer.

    In short, they sparked an actual WAR…that ended up spoiling any chance for the UN plan. The Jews fought very bravely, one must give them that—when they were up against the British-backed Arabs. Only the Soviet Union gave actual weapons support, through Czechoslovakia—memories of the Nazi aggression against Eastern Europe and their genocide of the Slavic and Jewish peoples both, still fresh no doubt.

    Frankly, as a decent human being, I’m glad the Jews got the upper hand in that fighting. They were the side that welcomed the UN plan, while the Arabs immediately rejected it.

    Of course I would have preferred that the British had been honest and facilitated the UN plan, which would have been far better.

    But the Jews were forced into WAR. And bad things happen in war. So we ended up with the Jews getting half again as much land as the UN partition plan envisioned—and of course the tragic ethnic cleansing in the midst of that war.

    I’m not going to go into historical detail here about the 1947-49 war, but the British played a big role in setting that in motion. An Arab siege of Jerusalem ensued in 1947, right after the UN voted for the partition plan [with Britain tellingly abstaining].

    The Jews declared their state of Israel on the last day of the British Palestine mandate, May 14, 1948, in the midst of that civil war that the British had sparked. Both the US and Soviet Union immediately recognized Israel [first de facto, then de jure over the coming days and months].

    Immediately after the declaration, the neighboring Arab countries declared war and attacked.

    The conflict thus escalated and became the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

    Those interested in all the details can read the history.

    Arab irregulars, along with a burnt truck on the way to Jerusalem

    Point being that none of that chaos had to happen, had the British not been playing a double game.

    The British did not even vote for the UN plan, even though they started the whole idea of Israel. Go and have a look at the actual voting tally.

    The world at large did indeed agree on a partition plan, and the Jews were overjoyed with it. But the case can easily be made that the British did everything in their power to sabotage the plan and sow chaos and conflict, instead.

    And we know how things have turned out since.

    That is how things stand legally today. Look, I’m going to be the last person to support Zionism and this genocide that the US Zionists are supporting in Israel.

    The US has turned into a monster—that should be clear to everybody [if they were ever a ‘good guy’ is a legitimate question in itself]. And that monster has created and is supporting the monster of Apartheid Israel today.

    But it makes no sense skipping over the ‘inconvenient’ parts of history that don’t suit one’s narrative. For years and decades the Arabs were the instigators of violence, rightly or wrongly. That cannot be papered over.

    If there is any progress to be made, then an honest look at ALL the historical facts is necessary.

  117. @FB

    You are as much a ‘decent human being’ as Bibi Nutty-yahoo. But boy, can you lie. The pilpul flows like milk and honey, and the phony pretense of ‘morality’ is pure hasbara.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  118. @Franklin Ryckaert

    One ought never question any people’s right to exist,l but as Chomsky points out, States have no such inherent right. As for Shlomo sand, his history stands unrefuted, and supported by historians within Israel and outside. That’s why fanatic Zionazi racists hate him.

  119. @FB

    UN General Assembly resolutions do not carry the weight of law, but they give a good idea of just how widely, and justly, Israel is loathed by humanity.

    • Replies: @dude dudley
  120. Robjil says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yes, the British had no “real” power in 1917 0r 1948, just like today.

    Ask Jeremy Corbin about this. The small hat media has had this power for a long time.

    Israel is a small hat mania not a British mania.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/corbyn-gone-israel-lobby-targeting-palestinians-directly

    The smears suggest that groups such as the CAA have been buoyed by their success in using antisemitism to damage Corbyn. He faced four years of relentless claims that the party had become “institutionally antisemitic” on his watch.

    Now, the CAA appears to be moving on from simply maligning those who have offered solidarity to Palestinians – protesting their decades of oppression at Israel’s hands – to target Palestinians directly.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  121. @Robjil

    The very great problem for the Jews and the societies that host them is that they have no concept of ‘enough’. Every demand, every resentment, every hatred is open-ended, and they are never satisfied. As the opposition to Israeli barbarity and Jewish elite control of the West grows, the Judaic elite know no other response but ever more hatred and aggression. The case of Corbyn is truly significant.
    A life-long, indeed hereditary, friend of Jews who had NEVER been accused by anyone of ‘antisemitism’ or any type of bigotry, was traduced, vilified and destroyed for supporting the proposition that Palestinians are human and thus have rights. Moreover one UK Judaic grandee, possibly, from recollection, the odious Sacks, declared that another unforgivable crime was Corbyn’s ‘Leftwing policies’. The open collusion of the Israeli Embassy was ignored and suppressed by the media, the great support for Corbyn by decent UK Jews completely hidden, and the vastly greater real Judeophobia in the Tory Party ignored. The lesson to be learned is that the Jewish elite, not even representing all the 1% or so of the UK population who are Jews, now has a veto over UK politics and the opinions of tens of millions. When that truth gets through the thick skulls of the coward invertebrates of the UK ‘Left’, the shit will really hit the fan.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Robjil
  122. @FB

    The Brits could have won that war against the Jews had they really tried, but like you say they were playing a perfidious double game. And the Soviets went from backing the Jews to supporting the Arabs in later wars. Anyway, it was morally wrong for these Jews who gathered in Palestine from all over, many arriving illegally, to be given a state on the soil belonging to another people, whatever the UN may have decided.

    But that is the way of the world, and Franklin Ryckaert, who supports the idea of such an Israel, may by the same token have to accept Islamic states throughout Europe which the immigrants may one declare. He’s justifying expansionism and invasion because it has been a common historical reality, but history never ends, and new invaders and expansionists, or those of old reviving their conquering projects, are on the move. I could counter that resisting invasion and conquest has also been legitimate throughout history and may it continue.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @dude dudley
  123. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    And the Soviets went from backing the Jews to supporting the Arabs in later wars.

    Yes…things change with time.

    Look, in 1948 everyone in Russia could sympathize with the Jews because Russians also experienced the genocidal Nazis.

    In the US and elsewhere the Jewish political influence, although not very big at that time compared to today, also played a factor—even though the people at large probably didn’t care about Jews and a homeland for them [or even that much about the WW2 genocide].

    That’s why I say that in 1948, I would have been on the side of the Jews. At that time, that would have been the correct and moral position.

    By 1967 however, it was a different ballgame altogether. Yes, the Arabs were still aggressive, but Israel was just as aggressive too—and it was clearly now a US imperialist project, and the opposing world power, Russia, had no choice but to oppose it.

    Still, we have the postwar global order of law as defined by the UN. And even the US was compelled to not veto UNSC resolutions demanding Israeli withdrawal from post-1967 occupied territories.

    That fact is also what makes Ryckert’s silly squawking about ‘might makes right’ completely meaningless in today’s world.

    Yes, might still makes right, but the whole sandbox is now OWNED by the major powers, and they have decided to lay down the law about how anyone can play in that sandbox.

    That is the big difference. And it is a HUGE difference. No small country now can just go ahead and invade somebody and that’s that. Might makes right, and Bob’s your Uncle. It doesn’t work that way anymore, and that is the REALITY.

    But notice that this doesn’t apply to the big boys. They can still go and take over territories [Kosovo, Crimea etc] and nobody can say boo. No UNSC resolution will be passed [except notably in the case of Kosovo, where the Serbs did get it written in stone in UNSC 1244 that Kosovo is a part of the territory of Serbia, a big mistake for the imperialists that they are still trying to remedy by other means].

    There are a few other such unresolved territorial disputes: Nagorno-Karabakh, the two breakaway Georgia province [which Russia recognized after 2008] and some ongoing territorial flux in Africa.

    So the world we live in is one where the ownership of the world has been split among the big powers, and small powers must do as they are told—provided the big powers can AGREE.

    And this is what is stopping any change in the situation in Israel. The US is simply letting Israel get away with it. That’s all. If, for some reason, the US in future changes its mind and agrees with the rest of the Security Council to pass a resolution that says Israel must tear down the settlements and get out by such and such a date, then there is nothing little Israel can do about it.

    But it is completely unrealistic to expect that anybody is going to force Israel to sign off on its own dissolution, by granting all Palestinians citizenship in an expanded one-state Israel.

    So the one-state idea is certainly much more ‘dead’ than the two-state idea. And hence the silliness of this article.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  124. @FB

    “…That fact is also what makes Ryckert’s silly squawking about ‘might makes right’ completely meaningless in today’s world…”

    Good, and then you describe how the Superpowers do as they like, confirming exactly that “might makes right” still applies in today’s world.

    • Replies: @FB
  125. FB says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    And what part of that did you fail to understand?

    Can you walk out your front door with a sawed-off shotgun and prove to everyone on your street how ‘might makes right’?

    Or are you going to get your ass filled in with police lead?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  126. @FB

    In that case the might of the police makes right. Still “might makes right”.

    • Replies: @FB
  127. FB says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yes, but ONLY for the police—and ONLY for the superpowers in the case of the world at large [which I originally EXPLAINED at some length.]

    Look, you are obviously a quite obtuse fellow. You don’t seem to understand where you became completely silly, in fact IDIOTIC.

    Let me point you to a LOGICAL rule about the universal, the general and the PARTICULAR. Think about it.

    Your parrot-like repeating of ‘might makes right’ as the ULTIMATE [universal] explanation is completely pointless and irrelevant to human life on earth in the particular case of relations among states and territorial aggression.

    It is like saying, gravity will always pull you down, so if you jump off a cliff or out of an airplane, you will always die. Except if you have a parachute. Big difference. Then gravity doesn’t in fact kill.

    The superpowers are the only ones with parachutes. Just like the police are the only ones with a state monopoly on violence. It’s not an ‘antelopes and lions’ world after all, now is it?

  128. Robjil says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The lesson to be learned is that the Jewish elite, not even representing all the 1% or so of the UK population who are Jews, now has a veto over UK politics and the opinions of tens of millions. When that truth gets through the thick skulls of the coward invertebrates of the UK ‘Left’, the shit will really hit the fan.

    The truth will come when we can “speak” about it. Gilad Atzmon wrote this article in 2018 about the Corbyn affair. He mentioned Douglas Reed’s book “the Controversy of Zion” to note how far back Zion power has been at work in the US and Britain.

    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=175144

    Back in 1955, decades before AIPAC was formed and the Conservative Friends of Israel was exposed as Israel’s long arm, Reed provided a possible explanation of current British political maneuvering. They do it because they “found that powerful Jews, in all countries, were able to assist parties favoured by them with money, press support and votes.” Reed argues that Western politicians who accept the lobby’s favours scarify their national interests. This observation from 1955 explains why Britain and the USA have been fighting Zio-con wars and the prospect of world peace is progressively fading away.

    Gilad had this quote from Reed’s “The Controversy of Zion” at the end of his article. Silence is main weapon of our Zion rulers.

    During my intellectual career I have learned that too often it is the so called ‘bigots,’ ‘anti-Semites’ and ‘racists’ who understand the world and its meaning better and ahead of anyone else. I guess that the take home message is: when they attempt to burn a book, make sure that this text is at the top of the pile next to your bed. If they attempt to silence a voice, attend to this voice before you do anything else. Because Jewish power is the power to obliterate the discussion on Jewish power.

    Jewish power is the power of “silence” and networking. Douglas Reed noticed this in the first half of the 20th century. It is still going like a powerful locomotive train. The “silence about who rules” is the most powerful engine ever devised for a ruling power in the entire history of humanity on this planet.

    These two quotes from Reed’s book in Gilad’s article about the Corbyn Affair sum up what we are dealing with everyday in our Zion ruled world.

    “found that powerful Jews, in all countries, were able to assist parties favoured by them with money, press support and votes.”

    If they attempt to silence a voice, attend to this voice before you do anything else. Because Jewish power is the power to obliterate the discussion on Jewish power.

  129. @LarryS

    You have the whole thing backwards, the Arabs are the Injuns in this scenario. Everything in the article is wrong, it’s just a pastiche of 3rd world antiwhite propaganda. Israel is stronger than ever, the Arabs are weaker than ever, and the “Palestinians” are intruders who mostly arrived in the last 50 years at this point, since 1967. It’s the last gasp of a dying cause, and it will be very easy in the modern globalised world to resettle everyone far away for better times to come.

    • Troll: FB, Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  130. @Commentator Mike

    Nobody “gave” anyone a State (this is impossible) nor does the soil “belong” to another people. There weren’t even half a million Arabs in Palestine at the time it began, and there is no such thing as “arriving illegally”. Do you want to know who “gave” Israel to the Jews? The ARABS, by attacking them into a corner and trying to wipe them out in a giant massacre.

    This is what you people miss so easily, in all your vanity and perambulations: the “apartheid” and Jewish State tactics are defensive warfare response to an implacably aggressive monster in the form of 3rd world terrorist Arab hordes. It’s like your brain turns off when it comes to the idea of “Jews”, while all of it was always part and parcel together with the communist antiwhite revolution.

    These are ARABS and MUSLIMS fer chrissake! The same race that stole millions of Europeans into Moorish slavery in North Africa, and the Turkish Empire. The same people who infest Europe right now and will cause the eventual collapse, so well deserved after all. The State of Israel is the only possible contender for the role of torchbearer, and all future is with the Jews.

  131. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    They DID attack the Partition, and laid siege to Jerusalem. The Israelis were effective at resisting the invasion, and you are plainly delusional. If the Arabs had refrained from war, none of this would have happened, and maybe “Palestine” would be one neutral State today.

    As it stands it was the ARABS who created the Jewish State, by forcing it into existence. There is no other choice, and all their blood in on their own heads, and in their own hands.

  132. @FB

    Apartheid Israel is the natural response to more than a century of Arab aggression and invasion. The alternative is mass expulsion and much more violence overall, while the current (unsatisfactory) state of things is the “liberal” policy developed to deal with it. The Israelis (overall) are behaving with the utmost restraint as usual, like it has been from the beginning.

    Apartheid and racial separation are usually developed with good reason, to imagine that anyone would waste so much gratuitous energy is absurd. 80% of the Palestine Arabs are literally an imported population bomb designed to undo the result of 1948, and finally drive the Jews into the sea.

    Everybody knows this, and the Arabs make no bones about it either: Palestine is Arab land, or so they say. Ask yourself how did 2 million Palestinian Arabs in 1967 become 7 million today? How did half a million Palestinian Arabs 150 years ago morph into 13 million people worldwide?

    The article is an infantile pastiche of propaganda and nonsense, Arabs are simply immigrating INTO the area seeking “oppression” and “racism”. Sound familiar? It’s part of their political strategy developed since the 1970’s by the PLO: bring as many people into “Palestine”, make a lot of babies, and take as many benefits and support from anywhere that lends it, including the Jews.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @FB
  133. @dude dudley

    And how did the Jewish population of 24,000 in Palestine in 1882 morph into nearly 7 million in present day Israel? Where did they all come from?

    • Replies: @dude dudley
  134. @FB

    I sympathise with the Jews for being victims for the Nazis but otherwise I have no sympathy for them at all as I don’t have sympathy for a victim of a bully who then goes and finds someone weaker to bully around, which is what the Jews did to the Palestinians. Since the Germans wronged them they should have taken it out on the Germans but not to go around the world looking for someone else to victimise in turn. Zionists are the Nazis of today.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @dude dudley
    , @FB
  135. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Loathed by cannibals and orcs more like it

  136. @Commentator Mike

    Immigration and settlement obviously. Did you think that would get a “point”?

    Where did the population of the USA come from? Immigration and settlement.

    The “Palestinians” are a figment of your imagination.

  137. FB says: • Website
    @dude dudley

    Look, you’re claiming a lot of ‘factual’ information about the demographics of Palestine at the time, and the supposed recent ‘arrival’ of Palestinians to the area [from where?]…for which you give ZERO citations and which even a moderately informed person knows is COMPLETELY FALSE!

    Conclusion:

    • Replies: @dude dudley
  138. @FB

    Watching your epic boomer meltdown on the internet was worth it of course. Where did the “Palestinians” come from? Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Arabian Bedouin tribes of course. That’s why 2 million are now 7 million in just the last 50 + years since 1967.

    You are obviously a mentally ill faggot of some description, and not even moderately informed.

    https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/population-statistics/#graph5

    https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/population-statistics/#graph1

    https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/population-statistics/

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @FB
  139. @Commentator Mike

    The Jews are outnumbered by Arabs 50-1

    and you live strictly in your own mind

  140. @dude dudley

    You’re a dill, dude. No, a troll. Historians have located contemporary records. The subject is heavily researched, has been for several centuries. And the history of the Muslim conquest of Syria, including the part of Syria that was called Palestine, all Christian, is well documented.

    And Palestine was Christian not because the Jews were expelled. They were temporarily shut out of Jerusalem, that’s all. They had a cultural centre there, in Palestine. There was no Second Exile, there is no Diaspora. But the majority had joined the Christians as always happens when the elite are of a different religion from the ambitious among the general population.

    And following the Muslim conquest there was no dispossession of the Hebrews. Arabians did not swarm in. Omar didn’t allow it and anyway those who moved preferred to go to Damascus, capital of the Caliphate.

    Again, there was over a few centuries majority conversion to Islam, leaving Jewish and Christian minorities. The fury of Rabbi Saadia the Gaon because of the rapid conversion into the 10th century is on the record.

    Those Palestinian peasants, farmers and orchardists being attacked with impunity by Ashkenazi mobs, are the real Hebrews, been there formillennia. The Romans did not drive the Jews out.

    There’s a fake Zionist story about how after the ethnic cleaning of Palestine in 1947-1949, continuing till now, the “Arabs” being driven out, the European conquerors made the conquered region so prosperous that Arabians swarmed in. There’s a contradiction there, isn’t there?

    • Replies: @dude dudley
  141. FB says: • Website
    @dude dudley

    Look ASSHAT, those links you gave say nothing to support your complete and total BULLSHIT about there being no Palestinians [or very few], and most of them coming from elsewhere.

    Not. A. Single. Word.

    They simply give what appears to be fairly realistic population numbers over the decades [although I would have to do more study than just this cursory look].

    So the conclusion stands—you’re simply a JIDF scumbag, just a wanking that keyboard like a skank on a five dollar handjob.

    I was actually the ONLY person here to have a decent and moral attitude towards Israel, and explained so in my posts—only to be flamed by the commenters and called ‘hasbara’ and worse.

    Now, after seeing your bullshit, I agree with Mulga in comment 124 above:

    The very great problem for the Jews and the societies that host them is that they have no concept of ‘enough’.

    The OCCUPIED TERRITORIES are called ‘occupied’ for a reason. A little thing called INTERNATIONAL LAW [as I also explained above at some length.

    Absolutely unbelievable the chutzpah of these fvcking Judaic chimps!

    • Replies: @Zina
    , @dude dudley
  142. Zina says:
    @FB

    Zionists do not believe in international law. Nor in history. Nor in reality. They only believe in Zionism, and that will be their downfall.

    • Replies: @dude dudley
  143. @anonymous

    No prophet fellates his grandsons. Mohammed fellated his grandsons Hassan and Hussein. Therefore, Mohammed was no prophet.

    Hadith Number 16245 from the hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan states: “I saw the Prophet — peace be unto him — sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. . . . He (the Prophet) lifted up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis.”

    Another hadith from Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr, al-Haythami, confirms that Muhammad likewise fellated another male child named Husein: “I saw the Messenger of Allah (peace be unto him) putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

    Moslems follow a repulsive pederast. And that’s not according to my interpretation or something written by the enemies of Islam but according to the explicit text of Islam’s own scripture.

    For such “infidels” who are not aware of it, the Hadith, which are deeds and sayings attributed to Mohammed, are the core of the Sunna or “Tradition” of Islam. “Sunna” is where the word “Sunni” comes from. Sunnis represent 85 percent of all Moslems, the rest being mostly the Shi’ites. Therefore, mainstream Islam is defined by its devotion to the Hadith, including the one that states Mohammed sucked little boy dick. Any Moslem who excuses such passages by saying, “That’s just the Hadith, it’s not the Koran” is engaging in deception. The Hadith are central to Islam and any Sunni who disregards them is considered an apostate.

    Since Moslems consider Mohammed to be “the Perfect Man” and “Seal of the Prophets” who is to be imitated in every way, a good Moslem such as our friend Anonymous should suck little boy dick, preferably those of his own grandsons.

  144. “Israel is in danger of becoming a failed state. Its demographic engine will ensure numerical superiority of Arabs over Palestinians”

    Obviously, this was meant to say “Arabs over Jews”.

  145. @Ray Caruso

    So why do they execute homos and pederasts? I know many are at it but when they get caught they get the chop or hang.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  146. @Ray Caruso

    Not all hadiths are accepted as reliable:

    “…Individual hadith are classified by Muslim clerics and jurists into categories such as sahih (“authentic”), hasan (“good”) or da’if (“weak”)…”

    Wikipedia, Hadith.

    The Hadiths of Muslim and al-Bukhari are generally accepted as sahih.

    The Hadiths you quote from might be considered as da’if.

    Hassan and Husein play a major role in Shi’a Islam. The description of the abject behavior of Muhammad with these two boys might be part of an anti-Shi’a smear campaign.

    However Muhammad’s sexual behavior with his 6 year old bride Aisha is recorded in the sahih hadith of al-Bukhari:

    “…Buhkari, who’s writings are considered acceptable by almost all Islamic scholars as reliable, said the prophet used to take baths with and fondled the little girl, Aisha, when she was on her period, according to Aisha herself. It was unacceptable at that time to have sex with a girl till she was 9, the usual age of puberty in those days, or a woman on her period, but this fondling of her was ok for Muhammad, since they were married when she was six…”

    Source: Quora, Which hadith claims that Muhammad allegedly tighed Aisha during her prepubescent childhood.

    Thus marriages of old men with 9 years old girls is allowed in the Muslim world, since following the example of Muhammad “the perfect man” is considered to be meritorious.

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  147. @FB

    You’re a rabid animal that obviously needs to be destroyed. Nobody cares about your self importance either way, and nobody wants your worthless “support”. Obviously you had a faggoty meltdown after that V.I.B (very important bubble) got burst, besides all the weird reference to bodily fluids, which shows your true nature. This disgustingly homosexual projection fantasy is so typical of the degenerate, immoral and corrupt heathen that populate the earth with endless baby boomer diatribes. I would have explained the links (do the math) , but I’d rather see you dead someday, which is coming soon enough.

    Once the Muslims run wild in Europe, antiwhite seditionists like you will go up against the wall in short order.

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  148. @Zina

    Arabists do not believe in international law, nor in history. Nor in reality. They only believe in Arabism, and that will be their downfall, as it always has been forever.

  149. Palestine has no legitimacy, and that’s all you need to know. The Arabs had every chance to recognise Israel at any time before 1967, 1973, maybe even in the 1980s. By now it is far too late and the “Palestinian” population is mostly low IQ urban slum dwellers bred up to the occasion, imported from outside the original population of Arab Palestine c. 1948. They are not a people of any description.

    It’s like saying “America has to negotiate with the ‘Hood”, the hood is a phenomenon, not a nation or coherence that can be addressed that way. Turn off all support for “Palestine” and it will melt in the sun like ice, or vanish into the same desert mirage it ever was. All of this is just Oriental Phantasy developed for the addled minds of coddled degenerate Westerners, especially “college idiots” and rightwing nutjobs who actual favor their own destruction. The Arabs and the Muslims will turn on you big time, and they are about to destroy Europe forever. It will be well deserved, and Asia will inherit the Earth.

  150. FB says: • Website
    @dude dudley

    LOLOLOL…look at the wildass Heeb chimping out, will ya?…😂😂😂

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  151. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    None of what you wrote has anything to with the simple fact that the Arab “Palestinian” population TRIPLES every generation. This is exclusively due to new immigration, even with the super high birthrates supported EXCLUSIVELY by Jewish and Western sources.

    There is no contradiction at all here:

    the “Arabs” being driven out, the European conquerors made the conquered region so prosperous that Arabians swarmed in.

    That’s exactly what happened, and it started 100 years before anyone was “driven” out. Palestine reached the low point of 300,000 people about 2 centuries ago, then began to recover with the growth of Western colonial power since that time. The Arab population TRIPLED in just 30 years from 1917-1947, and it grew exponentially in Jewish areas, because these are the civilised areas.

    Since 1967 alone the population has AGAIN tripled, despite constant emigration. That means 80% of all Arab numbers today are no more than 50 years in source. This is especially the case because the areas were opened up to development since 1994, and all kinds of “Palestinians” came in from Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Besides the constant infiltration of anyone who can get there, marry into the population, or move over the “Israeli” side of the line.

    Those Palestinian peasants, farmers and orchardists being attacked with impunity by Ashkenazi mobs, are the real Hebrews, been there for millennia.

    That is 100% social studies fantasy in your mind, nobody is “there” for millennia at all, not anywhere on this earth. You have obviously never had a real job or produced anything that wasn’t a bubble of entertainment, and have no idea what an “orchard” is.

    No real Arab thinks that he is Hebrew.

    • Troll: Ann Nonny Mouse
  152. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    I sympathise with the Jews for being victims for the Nazis but otherwise I have no sympathy for them at all…

    Absolutely agree, Mike!

    You know I have always had a principled position about the WW2 genocide and have often taken a lot of flak for reminding some of the Nazi revisionists here about Nazi crimes.

    For instance this display table from the Buchenwald concentration camp:

    Notice the preserved organs, shrunken heads, tattooed human skins that have been tanned, and of course that very interesting ‘leather’ lamp on the right.

    Terrible stuff, and you gotta feel for the Jews of WW2, which is why they wanted their own country, so they could feel safe somewhere.

    But look at them now. They are now the Einsatzjuden.

    Look at this mouthfoamer ‘dudley doofus.’ Comes on here, straight from his keyboard at JIDF central in Tel Aviv and starts making death threats. That’s how unhinged these Judaic extremist chimps are.

    But give it time. Like I said, the failing US is not going to be willing nor able to protect Israel forever. I have a feeling once the Arabs get hold of them we may well see mouthfoamers like this ‘doofus’ fellow being turned into lampshades again.

    Which would of course be terrible, and no one wants to see that. BUT, you reap what you sow.

  153. @Commentator Mike

    Islam is a grossly hypocritical religion. What they actually punish is a Western-style “gay” identity rather than sodomy. However, sodomy is widely practiced and tolerated in every Moslem country. In fact, there are Hadith that say that as long as the sodomites cover up their acts, sodomy is no big deal.

  154. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Hassan and Husein play a major role in Shi’a Islam. The description of the abject behavior of Muhammad with these two boys might be part of an anti-Shi’a smear campaign.

    No evidence of that and it doesn’t make sense. Mohammed is the holiest entity in Islam, especially in Sunni Islam, which names itself after the collection of Mohammed’s recorded deeds and sayings, the Sunna. Mohammed’s supremacy is evidenced by the fact that “blasphemy” against Mohammed carries a mandatory death penalty, while blasphemy against Allah or the Koran only a lesser penalty. So the notion that Sunni Moslems would defame Mohammed just to get at Hassan and Hussein—whom, incidentally, Sunnis also revere and frequently name theirs sons after—cannot be taken seriously.

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