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The American people don’t know very much about war even if Washington has been fighting on multiple fronts since 9/11. The continental United States has not experienced the presence a hostile military force for more than 100 years and war for the current generation of Americans consists largely of the insights provided by video games and movies. The Pentagon’s invention of embedded journalists, which limits any independent media insight into what is going on overseas, has contributed to the rendering of war as some kind of abstraction. Gone forever is anything like the press coverage of Vietnam, with nightly news and other media presentations showing prisoners being executed and young girls screaming while racing down the street in flames.

Given all of that, it is perhaps no surprise that both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, neither of whom has served in uniform, should regard violence inflicted on people overseas with a considerable level of detachment. Hillary is notorious for her assessment of the brutal killing of Libya’s Moammar Gaddafi, saying “We came, we saw, he died.” They both share to an extent the dominant New York-Washington policy consensus view that dealing with foreigners can sometimes get a bit bloody, but that is a price that someone in power has to be prepared to pay. One of Hillary’s top advisers, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, famously declared that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to U.S. led sanctions were “worth it.”

In the election campaign there has, in fact, been little discussion of the issue of war and peace or even of America’s place in the world, though Trump did at one point note correctly that implementation of Hillary’s suggested foreign policy could escalate into World War III. It has been my contention that the issue of war should be more front and center in the minds of Americans when they cast their ballots as the prospect of an armed conflict in which little is actually at stake escalating and going nuclear could conceivably end life on this planet as we know it.

With that in mind, it is useful to consider what the two candidates have been promising. First, Hillary, who might reasonably be designated the Establishment’s war candidate though she carefully wraps it in humanitarian “liberal interventionism.” As Senator and Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has always viewed a foreign crisis as an opportunity to use aggressive measures to seek a resolution. She can always be relied upon to “do something,” a reflection of the neocon driven Washington foreign policy consensus.

Hillary Clinton and her advisors, who believe strongly in Washington’s leadership role globally and embrace their own definition of American exceptionalism, have been explicit in terms of what they would do to employ our military power. She would be an extremely proactive president in foreign policy, with a particular animus directed against Russia. And, unfortunately, there would be little or no pushback against the exercise of her admittedly poor instincts regarding what to do, as was demonstrated regarding Libya and also with Benghazi. She would find little opposition in Congress and the media for an extremely risky foreign policy, and would benefit from the Washington groupthink that prevails over the alleged threats emanating from Russia, Iran, and China.

Hillary has received support from foreign policy hawks, including a large number of formerly Republican neocons, to include Robert Kagan, Michael Chertoff, Michael Hayden, Eliot Cohen and Eric Edelman. James Stavridis, a retired admiral who was once vetted by Clinton as a possible vice president, recently warned of “the need to use deadly force against the Iranians. I think it’s coming. It’s going to be maritime confrontation and if it doesn’t happen immediately, I’ll bet you a dollar it’s going to be happening after the presidential election, whoever is elected.”

Hillary believes that Syria’s president Bashar al-Assad is the root cause of the turmoil in that country and must be removed as the first priority. . It is a foolish policy as al-Assad in no way threatens the United States while his enemy ISIS does and regime change would create a power vacuum that will benefit the latter. She has also called for a no-fly zone in Syria to protect the local population as well as the insurgent groups that the U.S. supports, some of which had been labeled as terrorists before they were renamed by current Secretary of State John Kerry. Such a zone would dramatically raise the prospect of armed conflict with Russia and it puts Washington in an odd position vis-à-vis what is occurring in Syria. The U.S. is not at war with the Syrian government, which, like it or not, is under international law sovereign within its own recognized borders. Damascus has invited the Russians in to help against the rebels and objects to any other foreign presence on Syrian territory. In spite of all that, Washington is asserting some kind of authority to intervene and to confront the Russians as both a humanitarian mission and as an “inherent right of self-defense.”

Hillary has not recommended doing anything about Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, all of which have at one time or another for various reasons supported ISIS, but she is clearly no friend of Iran, which has been fighting ISIS. As a Senator, she threatened to “totally obliterate” Iran but she has more recently reluctantly supported the recent nuclear agreement with that country negotiated by President Barack Obama. But she has nevertheless warned that she will monitor the situation closely for possible violations and will otherwise pushback against activity by the Islamic Republic. As one of her key financial supporters is Israeli Haim Saban, who has said he is a one issue guy and that issue is Israel, she is likely to pursue aggressive policies in the Persian Gulf. She has also promised to move America’s relationship with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to a “new level” and has repeatedly declared that her support for Israel is unconditional.

One of Hillary’s advisors, former CIA acting Director Michael Morell, has called for new sanctions on Tehran and has also recently recommended that the U.S. begin intercepting Iranian ships presumed to be carrying arms to the Houthis in Yemen. Washington is not at war with either Iran or Yemen and the Houthis are not on the State Department terrorist list but our good friends the Saudis have been assiduously bombing them for reasons that seem obscure. Stopping ships in international waters without any legal pretext would be considered by many an act of piracy. Morell has also called for covertly assassinating Iranians and Russians to express our displeasure with the foreign policies of their respective governments.

Hillary’s dislike for Russia’s Vladimir Putin is notorious. Syria aside, she has advocated arming Ukraine with game changing offensive weapons and also bringing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which would force a sharp Russian reaction. One suspects that she might be sympathetic to the views expressed recently by Carl Gershman in a Washington Post op-ed that received curiously little additional coverage in the media. Gershman is the head of the taxpayer funded National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which means that he is a powerful figure in Washington’s foreign-policy establishment. NED has plausibly been described as doing the sorts of things that the CIA used to do.

After making a number of bumper-sticker claims about Russia and Putin that are either partially true, unproven or even ridiculous, Gershman concluded that “the United States has the power to contain and defeat this danger. The issue is whether we can summon the will to do so.” It is basically a call for the next administration to remove Putin from power—as foolish a suggestion as has ever been seen in a leading newspaper, as it implies that the risk of nuclear war is completely acceptable to bring about regime change in a country whose very popular, democratically elected leadership we disapprove of. But it is nevertheless symptomatic of the kind of thinking that goes on inside the beltway and is quite possibly a position that Hillary Clinton will embrace. She also benefits from having the perfect implementer of such a policy in Robert Kagan’s wife Victoria Nuland, her extremely dangerous protégé who is currently Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs and who might wind up as Secretary of State in a Clinton Administration.

Shifting to East Asia, Hillary sees the admittedly genuine threat from North Korea but her response is focused more on China. She would increase U.S. military presence in the South China Sea to deter any further attempts by Beijing to develop disputed islands and would also “ring China with defensive missiles,” ostensibly as “protection” against Pyongyang but also to convince China to pressure North Korea over its nuclear and ballistic missile programs. One wonders what Beijing might think about being surrounded by made-in-America missiles.

Trump’s foreign policy is admittedly quite sketchy and he has not always been consistent. He has been appropriately enough slammed for being simple minded in saying that he would “bomb the crap out of ISIS,” but he has also taken on the Republican establishment by specifically condemning the George W. Bush invasion of Iraq and has more than once indicated that he is not interested in either being the world’s policeman or in new wars in the Middle East. He has repeatedly stated that he supports NATO but it should not be construed as hostile to Russia. He would work with Putin to address concerns over Syria and Eastern Europe. He would demand that NATO countries spend more for their own defense and also help pay for the maintenance of U.S. bases.

Trump’s controversial call to stop all Muslim immigration has been rightly condemned but it contains a kernel of truth in that the current process for vetting new arrivals in this country is far from transparent and apparently not very effective. The Obama Administration has not been very forthcoming on what might be done to fix the entire immigration process but Trump is promising to shake things up, which is overdue, though what exactly a Trump Administration would try to accomplish is far from clear.

Continuing on the negative side, Trump, who is largely ignorant of the world and its leaders, has relied on a mixed bag of advisors. Former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Michael Flynn appears to be the most prominent. Flynn is associated with arch neocon Michael Ledeen and both are rabid about Iran, with Flynn suggesting that nearly all the unrest in the Middle East should be laid at Tehran’s door. Ledeen is, of course, a prominent Israel-firster who has long had Iran in his sights. The advice of Ledeen and Flynn may have been instrumental in Trump’s vehement denunciation of the Iran nuclear agreement, which he has called a “disgrace,” which he has said he would “tear up.” It is vintage dumb-think. The agreement cannot be canceled because there are five other signatories to it and the denial of a nuclear weapons program to Tehran benefits everyone in the region, including Israel. It is far better to have the agreement than to scrap it, if that were even possible.

Trump has said that he would be an even-handed negotiator between Israel and the Palestinians but he has also declared that he is strongly pro-Israel and would move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, which is a bad idea, not in America’s interest, even if Netanyahu would like it. It would produce serious blowback from the Arab world and would inspire a new wave of terrorism directed against the U.S.

Regarding the rest of the Middle East, Trump would prefer strong leaders, i.e. autocrats, who are friendly rather than chaotic reformers. He rejects arming rebels as in Syria because we know little about whom we are dealing with and find that we cannot control what develops. He is against foreign aid in principle, particularly to countries like Pakistan where the U.S. is strongly disliked.

In East Asia, Trump would encourage Japan and South Korea to develop their own nuclear arsenals to deter North Korea. It is a very bad idea, a proliferation nightmare. Like Hillary, he would prefer that China intervene in North Korea and make Kim Jong Un “step down.” He would put pressure on China to devalue its currency because it is “bilking us of billions of dollars” and would also increase U.S. military presence in the region to limit Beijing’s expansion in the South China Sea.

So there you have it as you enter the voting booth. President Obama is going around warning that “the fate of the world is teetering” over the electoral verdict, which he intends to be a ringing endorsement of Hillary even though the choice is not nearly that clear cut. Part of the problem with Trump is that he has some very bad ideas mixed in with a few good ones and no one knows what he would actually do if he were president. Unfortunately, it is all too clear what Hillary would do.

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  1. It’s too bad that whatever accountability there is and will be, it’s not democratic accountability. We the people go through some sort of charade designed to flatter us into thinking we have the ultimate say, when the oligarchy thus far has been proven to have the last word no matter who for or why we vote. There might once have been some overlap between “American interests” and actual Americans’ interests, but it is now largely no more than propaganda designed to deceive us into thinking it’s for our benefit and security, when the realities confronting so many of us have proved otherwise. It’s getting harder and harder not to believe the stark realities perceived first hand by what they insist in their corporate media are our lying eyes.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  2. Hillary’s advert accusing Trump of being dangerous is outrageous projection considering that her plan involves fighting Russia on behalf of el qaeda, a sort of treason to civilization. We can probably easily survive Trump, but Clinton is a literal spin of the barrel which could result in nuclear armageddon. My guess is that Trump can be set straight about Iran while Clinton is a megalomaniac who thinks she can do what Bonaparte and Hitler failed to do: take down Russia. Trump recognizes that Russia is really part of western civilization where the harpy is a threat to it based on the millions of middle eastern refugees the destabilisations she spearheaded have brought into Europe.

  3. Art says:

    For what it is worth – Trump would do what is necessary to get rid of ISIS – but that he is not interest in more big wars.

    Trump is a builder of buildings – it is not in his DNA to destroy things.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  4. Trump is a deal maker, Hillary is a litigator. I’m quite comfortable with someone who is willing to at least sit down and make a deal, not so much with someone who will go to the brink at will.

    • Replies: @PokeTheTruth
  5. Hillary Clinton bringing in the now neoconized hawkish foreign policy elite:

    Wilkileaks: Hillary Clinton knew Qatar and Saudi Arabia were supporting ISIS and still took their money for the Clinton Foundation:

  6. Kiza says:

    This election should be viewed as the test of the average intelligence of US persons/voters. Voting inside group-think (the so called, US intellectuals) or voting for personal interest (the US free shit army) is likely to rebound spectacularly, with deaths of most voters as a possible outcome.

    Unfortunately, I have been saying for six months now that the US voters are not like the UK Brexit voters, who could not be manipulated by the elite. Most US stupidos do not even understand that the US has pushed Russia just about as far as possible without the missiles starting to fly yet:
    1) killing thousands of Ukrainian Russians,
    2) helping and arming ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria through proxies such as Saudis, Qataris and Turks,
    3) massing NATO troops and weapons on Russia’s Western border,
    4) implementing illegal economic sanctions on Russia,
    5) hacking Russia’s computer networks and so on.
    Most of the morons, instead of understanding that they have already pushed the World the closest to the nuclear war than ever before, actually think that the US just needs to be tougher by a leader in a tasteless female suit and everything will fold the US way.

    Yes, I believe that the US symbol of corruption, Hillary Clinton will be elected because US people are not smart and Democrats stealing a couple of percent of votes is not an excuse.

  7. @Kiza

    Practically everything Russia has on its plate is self inflicted. Russia has killed thousands in Ukraine through its proxies and troops in the Donbas. There are no “masses” of NATO troops on Russia’s borders. The sanctions were brought on because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and Putin’s minions have been hacking computers in the US for years.

    If you want to whine, at least get the stuff right.

  8. @Kiza

    Hillary Clinton (via Victoria Nuland) pushing Zionist PNAC Neocon agenda vs Russia (to include in Ukraine):

  9. Rehmat says:

    United States have been an imperial and colonial power since it left the British colonial empire nearly 200 years ago. It has been at war with its neighbors Canada and Mexico for decades.

    September 11, 2001 was a pre-planned state terrorism to save Israel from its closer and far-away enemies through US invasions, Arab Spring, and phony Islamist terrorists.

    American and European journalists are embedded with government and its military and intelligence agencies as long as they serve journalists’ Zionist Jew employers’ interests.

    Libyan leader was butchered to death – not because it posed a threat to American citizen – but because he supported Palestinians.

    The Pentagon is run by an Israeli clone Ash Carter who accused Iran of having MALIGN AGENDA against the so-called “peace-loving” Israel.

  10. “It has been my contention that the issue of war should be more front and center in the minds of Americans when they cast their ballots as the prospect of an armed conflict in which little is actually at stake escalating and going nuclear could conceivably end life on this planet as we know it.”

    The chance of WWIII under Clinton was the primary reason I voted for Trump. None of the rest of the issues, women’s rights, glass ceilings, female vs. male genitalia, “it’s her turn” and not even her e-mail scandals came anywhere near as important to my mind than her established record of reckless foreign policy.


    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  11. Miro23 says:

    A very good article. It’s clear that the risk of nuclear war is coming from the USA, not Russia or China.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  12. Diogenes says:

    If those are the choices, Phil, the electorate should choose neither. Don’t vote; don’t legitimate a ruler who is a menace to your interests let alone your life. In past elections a large proportion did not vote, perhaps for that reason yet they were denounced because they did not support the “rigged” system. In the past the proportion of non voters was increasing which perhaps was a positive development in as much as people were cynical of the electoral process and the choices they were given. [ Suppose the proportion of voter continued to decline at what large fraction of non voters to voters indicate a vote of non confidence in the system and deny any legitimacy to those who “won” the majority vote?
    Ah, but the riggers found a way to increase the vote this time around by lengthening the election campaign, bombarding the electorate with media propaganda [which is profitable to media corporations, and offering presidential candidates who are so morally and politically repulsive that one feels obliged to vote for the “lesser evil” rather than the greater good.
    It worked, there will be a large voter turnout, because it is the most “important choice” EVER, the winner will be legitimated and thereby have a “mandate” to flirt war or realignment, etc.
    Well done suckers, did you even consider a third party, No?, because that would be “throwing away your vote” or worse helping the greater evil win! The choice is elementary, my dear Watson.

  13. dahoit says:

    NK a threat?To whom?Trump says he will to to Kim.Jaw jaw instead of war war.
    Trump is the only answer for the zionist control of America.
    When he wins he will clean the stables of all the traitors of quartermasters ilk.
    If she steals the election(she went from red queen to snow white overnight re Comey)there will be blood.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
    , @Rehmat
  14. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Well done suckers, did you even consider a third party

    US has a viable serious third party? Really? None of the third parties in US is real political force in the interest of the majority of those who made modern US. All those parties are mere derivatives of same ole’ ideologies which permeate both (or rather different wings of the same single) parties. These third parties are either uber-liberal or complete so called “right-wing” nut jobs. All of them. Before Trump, however flawed he is, NO US political party first, third of twentieth came even close to formulating at least some of the vital national interests of the US. Trump did, however crudely. Be it utter corruption of the US political system, catastrophic deindustrialization or stupid and criminal wars–Trump said it. Most importantly, unlike any party, Trump embodies THE main US national interest–preservation of white European-derived core of the country–without it, there is no USA, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom. It is, indeed, either us or them and I have a very goddam rich first hand experience with that.

  15. I agree with the article: Clinton (or, rather, a continuation of the current neocon establishment) is a guaranteed disaster, while Trump is an uncertainty, and therefore a hope. Vote Trump, try something new.

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  16. I think hillary is the fat lady that sings. we had bush as a president. after lameduck obama, we are getting hillary.

  17. @Mao Cheng Ji

    ” . . . Vote Trump, try something new.”

    You’re damn right.

  18. FLgeezer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Would be interested in your sharing your “rich first hand experience of that” smoothie. Many of we white boys have similar stories I’ll bet.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  19. @Art

    “Trump is a builder of buildings — it is not in his DNA to destroy things.”

    First problem, Art, is that I agree with you, above!

    Trump’s DNA is cloned from Zionist DNA. As reported by WSJ’s Julie Steinberg, Wall Street (Goldman Sachs Group has entered into high level negotiations with China with a goal of doing full business minus a need to partner with state approved Chinese businessmen. Doubtless, with enhanced campaign support from Sheldon Adelson, Donald Trump will gladly give blessings to the T.P.P. under of course a new brand name. to Julie’s front page article below?

    Second problem is, and as Paul Craig Roberts has reported, is the “Atlanticist Integrationist” pressure being applied to Vladimir Putin’s (to date) N.W.O. non-compliant rule. What is deliberately under reported by our controlled M.S.M. is the fact that President Putin and P.M. Netanyahu are negotiating… definitely a bad sign for the future of Islamic Republic of Iran.

    Third problem is the rather hush-hush report that Russia and Egypt have conducted joint military exercises. This is not a good sign for Iran.

    “For what it’s worth,” I’m inclined to believe that, with of course Russia’s “green light,” a President Trump will do what is necessary to get rid of global Zionists # 1 enemy in the Middle East… Iran. This way, given a whopper False Flag event of some sort (blamed on Ayatollahs), the U.S. & NATO could do their “300” Spartan thing to the effeminate Persians and with key concessions and rewards from Goldman Sachs Group, there will be no need for reliance upon Hillary Clinton’s promise to antagonize Vladimir Putin into submission.

    Within next four years, Art, and pending if “Atlanticist Integrationists” prevail in Russia, I can picture the rise of Trump Shanghai Towers and perhaps Maurice Greenberg Towers in (reconstructed) Teheran.

    It’s astonishing how much Americans are conditioned to avoid getting at the root of Jimmy Carter’s plain spoken logic, “America is no longer a democracy.” Thank you, Art, whoever is declared “winner” this evening, We the People are systematically f#@ucked.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
    , @Anon
  20. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s call to end Muslim immigration is correct, not wrong at this article suggests. Ending all immigration might even be a good idea.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Avery
  21. Tom Welsh says:

    “The continental United States has not experienced the presence a hostile military force for more than 100 years…”

    I make that 200 years, since the War of 1812 when the British burned Washington, DC. (To no avail; it was just rebuilt).

    100 years ago Pancho Villa made a raid to the US-Mexican border, but no further. The subsequent fighting took place exclusively inside Mexico.

  22. Tom Welsh says:

    I don’t think the USA can ever have a serious third party until the Republicans and the Democrats are disbanded and outlawed. (Personally I’d prefer all their leaders to be put in prison, or at least forbidden to take any part in politics, but that’s in an ideal world).

    Then you could start over from scratch with some candidates who would actually offer to do what the people want and need.

  23. Tom Welsh says:

    “The chance of WWIII under Clinton was the primary reason I voted for Trump”.

    Exactly, and as a British citizen I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Until we British can get rid of all our nuclear weapons and foreign bases, and become neutral, we will be in terrible danger if someone in the White House starts a war.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  24. Diogenes says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    OK then, the US political system is a duopoly in effect you only have TWO choices, how pathetic? These “parties” are both corrupted because their political representatives are “professional ” politicians, which means they can be bought and paid for and they are by the moneyed interests to which they are beholden to rather than the poor sucker who just casts a ritual or ceremonial irrelevant vote. Do They actually believe this careerist opportunist will serve their interests rather than those of the highest bidder, to whom he actually owes his job. That goes right up to the President. Except this time the presidential candidate, Trump, is already independently wealthy and cant be bought [Really?] because he wants to make “America Great Again” [Really?] or because he’s on an “ego trip” going for the biggest prestige [trophy] position, improving his business prospects, by selling himself [as usual] without any political experience to the detriment of the establishment who revile him as a dangerous outsider. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate “con job” for the most notorious American con man. The people are so alienated from the political process they are willing to empower HIM just to show their contempt for the establishment!Good luck on that. One problem, the popular vote doesn’t count; the electoral college [the bought and paid for establishment lackeys ] get to decide who’s president. Perhaps that’s also the reason why an alternative third party candidate is irrelevant unless it is a wasted protest vote.
    No matter what, suckers, you lose!!

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  25. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Would be interested in your sharing your “rich first hand experience of that” smoothie. Many of we white boys have similar stories I’ll bet.

    So many “white boys” lived and served both in Caucasus and Middle Asia during the collapse of the Soviet Union? Is that what you mean?

  26. Tom Welsh says:

    For the record, Quartermaster, every single thing in your comment is untrue.

    1. It is the illegal Kiev regime (admitted even by the current “president”, Petro Poroshenko, to be illegitimate) that has killed tens of thousands of civilians in Donbass. If some of its soldiers, Nazi thugs and foreign mercenaries got killed in the process, good.

    2. Have you ever seen 4,000 soldiers with all their vehicles and equipment? I call that “a mass”. You wouldn’t like it outside your house. Or how about a military procession less than 100 miles from Russia’s second largest city? :

    3. How about American “ABM” installations as close to Russia as Cuba is to the USA? “ABM” systems that can, undetectably, fire offensive cruise missiles with nuclear warheads – a switch that even the Poles and Romanians wouldn’t know anything about?

    4. Russia has not invaded Ukraine. If it had, it would have conquered it in a few days at most.

    5. The Russian government says it has not been attacking US computer systems, and I believe it. Why not? The Russian government has as unbroken a track record of truthfulness as the US government has of breaking its word.

    6. Mr Putin does not have “minions”. You must be thinking of Washington.

    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
  27. Sherman says:

    “Hillary…has repeatedly declared that her support for Israel is unconditional”

    Thank goodness for that!

  28. Tom Welsh says:

    The two parties are glove puppets operated by the same person. If you vote for either party, you are voting for the Deep State.

    “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party… and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt – until recently… and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties”.

    – Gore Vidal

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  29. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:

    It’s clear that the risk of nuclear war is coming from the USA, not Russia or China.

    It’s being brought into scope as an option that may become a preferred option, down the road a year or two. The nest of corruption at the center of the American power structure recognizes that the US economy is … well … all done. They need new frontiers, so they are setting up possibilities. It’s a perfectly reasonable plan. After all, they’ve never been on the side of working Americans, ever. If we starve and die, or get blown to pieces and die, or are simply killed off by the endless stream of marauding foreigners, what’s it to the 1%?

  30. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Did Russia cancel your passport when you moved here, or can you still go back? Are you holding out on us, Smoothie? Are you going to just skedaddle when the time comes to fight?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  31. @Tom Welsh

    Per Victoria Nuland’s (and hubby Robert Kagan’s) Zionist PNAC Neocon agenda vs Russia (to include in Ukraine) as mentioned in prior post with following link:

    US has a Zionist PNAC Neocon agenda vs Russia (to include in Ukraine):

    Let’s talk about Russian influence
    (but not Israel’s):

  32. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    Did Russia cancel your passport when you moved here, or can you still go back?

    The story is long and very convoluted especially against the background of me being born not in Russia-proper (RSFSR). I am one of quite a few ethnic Russians who were marked as stateless after 1991. We visit Russia once in a while (last time–this Summer) but as US citizens. As per “skedaddle”–I don’t know what you mean by skedaddle and fight (with whom, enlighten me) but I sure as hell can help some people stop living in their parallel universe when dealing with hostile types, especially in urban environments. Plus some other things. Yet again, whom are going to fight?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
  33. @Quartermaster

    You are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger Effect in action! Too phooking stupid too realize just how stupid you are! An uninformed, misinformed, and disinformed; menatally, morally and culturally bankrupt.
    cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so dense that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid so dense that no intelligence can enter. Black hole stupid. Singular cerebral neuron stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. So stupid you emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Exploding nova stupid. . . Stupid to Avogadro’s Number stupid (6.022 x 1023 ). Stupid to infinity3 stupid. Incurably stupid, terminally stupid. Ebola stupid. Fingers, toes, and ears falling off from leprosy stupid. Monkeys in a feces fight stupid. Super saturated trans fat stupid, 100% hydrogenated fat stupid, Metaphysically-stupid. Stupid beyond mega stupid by a factor making you yotto stupid. Stupid achieving a plasma state that nothing intelligent can penetrate it stupid. Stupid impregnable by a 25 lb. depleted uranium projectile fired from a 155 howitzer at point blank range stupid. 10 on the Richter Scale stupid. Mount Krakatoa volcanic eruption stupid. Fujita Scale F6 tornado stupid. Stupid exceeding the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale stupid. Fukushima Radiation pollution stupid. Stupid higher than a 1000 foot tsunami stupid. Global warming stupid. Stupid so stupid as to be capable of instantaneously melting glaciers stupid. An hour long solar eclipse stupid. Singularity stupid. Absolute, ceasing-of-all-molecular-activity, Zero Degree stupid. ALL IN CAPS STUPID. Quasar stupid. Exploding nova stupid. . . Even bigger stupid than Big Bang Stupid. Stupid so stupid that a new language has to be developed to adequately define it stupid. Stupidity such that a map of which would extend to the limits of our galaxy stupid.— you are even stupid in parallel universes stupid in addition to being in this universe stupid. God actually having to admit that your stupidity is even beyond His creativity pay grade to produce — so great a stupidity as he/she/it scratches head in befuddlement as to how it was created stupid.”

    And that’s just for today. This will be the starting point to even more of your tomorrow’s stupid.

  34. edNels says:

    Well all that’s nice and good, but really there’s a huge Spoils system, the whole country, everything from the top of the food chain who automatically are on board for all the right and wrong reasons, on down and down to Food stampers, and motor voters.

    They howl for their masters/benefactors, no matter what. Some who should know better don’t care, they support the one who is sanctioned, or, who they think they are supposed to from pressures from their peers and their boss or spouse etc. Maybe even bloggers…

    No need to ”Fool all the people all the time… ”, just keep things to a close draw,and then manipulate at the electoral process to finesse it. Side benefit of this kind of election is, that it reinforces despondency as a show of ” Total Spectrum Dominance” while being cleverly political, which is all the more cynical.

    On the issue of nuclear war, Unthinkable, that isn’t going to happen, the whole purpose of the Atomic age was to put a stop to real warfare. The onliest thing that might undo that, would be if it comes out that nuclear was all a big hoax, no suchathing ever was invented, they just found a real smart gimmick to make some huge explosions, and called it nuclear, hell that’s enough to scare the peeps. they ain’t no nuclear anymore than goin’ to the moon.

    They got the kids so tangled up in academic circles, nobody can figure out the bs.

    Maybe a little naive, but sometimes the same results.

  35. Tom Welsh says:

    Yes, one was rather worried she might have a “red line” that she wouldn’t cross to help Israel. Such a relief to hear that she doesn’t.

    “My country, right or wrong” is so stuffy and old-fashioned. Nowadays the “in” thing to be heard saying is, “Israel, right or wrong”.

    It is left as an exercise to the student to work out what Hillary would do if Israel’s interests were ever to clash with those of the USA. Given that pledge of “unconditional support”.

    Although – come to think of it – wouldn’t it actually be high treason for an aspirant head of state to pledge unconditional support to a different nation? Imagine, for instance, if she has said “Russia has my unconditional support”.

    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
  36. Tom Welsh says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Come to think of it, looking at that classic Vidal quotation with fresh eyes… doesn’t his description of the Republicans fit Trump to a “T”, and his description of the Democrats hug Hillary like a new designer suit?

  37. John Jeremiah Smith [AKA "MCPO USN"] says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “Who is going to fight?” Nominative case.
    “Whom are we going to fight?” Objective case.

    Very easy to remember … if someone who will take action is being “named” as the subject of the sentence, use “who” — the nominative (nomina means “name”). If someone will be on the receiving end of an action, he or she is a target, therefore an “object”, therefore objective case — use “whom”.

    Easy-peasy, huh? Thank me later.

    Things may get rough here. Sometimes, I wish I had Russia to return to. The economic hellhole the USA is sure to become will be almost Biafran in scope and intensity.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  38. Che Guava says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Good morning, Mr. Giraldi.

    As stated before, always find your articles of interest.

    In East Asia, Trump would encourage Japan and South Korea to develop their own nuclear arsenals to deter North Korea.

    That was a throw-away line, in my opinion, and dates back to the party primariies, if I recall correctly.

    As I’m sure you would know, South Korea did have a nuclear bomb programme, quite advanced, and well before that of the DPRK.

    Japan has a larger Pu stockpile than at least half of the nuclear weapon states, all supposed to be burnt for civil energy but, as you would likely know, just about all of the reactors remain, I am not sure of the correct term, shut down is wrong, but not generating power.

    The current PM made his career as a revanchist, part of his support base in his habitual ruling party is a faction that supports re-armament to H-bomb level.

    I can see that it is a bad idea.

    Skipping the mini-essay that I could write, I am sure that wiser heads (such as your own) would easily dissuade Trump, if successful, from such stupidity.

    He was just carried away with the idea of standing down and making other countries more self-reliant for defence, in the cases of Japan, Sth. Korea, and Taiwan, self-reliance is pretty much the case, so the reason for so many US bases in the former two is long gone.

    I can see the strategic reason (antagonize China), but the US army, navy, and marines should largely get out of here and South Korea, and particularly from Okinawa. Nobody there likes the expanding bases, most people on the main islands, the same.

    Even more so, they should not be in Syria at all, the Raqqa campaign is clearly intended just to make trouble and misery.

    Hillary is much more frightening on all points, and I think to citizens of your country on domestic policy, too.

  39. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    I wrote “whom” in my question but forgot to post “you”. The answer to “who” I know. My question is whom are you going to fight. But yes, thank you.

    Things may get rough here. Sometimes, I wish I had Russia to return to. The economic hellhole the USA is sure to become will be almost Biafran in scope and intensity.

    You do have a point here, albeit my view is not as grim, at least not yet (why–is a separate story). As per Russia, I can totally envision the stream of West Europeans immigrants to Russia. In fact, it is already happening on a small scale as I write this, but let’s hope that this will not lead to the same from the US. As I love to repeat–US is a different “animal” than Western Europe. Different dynamics and very many whites, yours truly included, are well armed.

  40. Rehmat says:

    Don’t kid yourself. Trump is as much beholden to the Jewish power as Hillary is. Both have Zionist Jews within their families.

    The only difference between the two is Hillary has a proven record of slavery to the Zionist entity while Trump is not a tested Zionist dog as yet.

    Both Zionist lobby and Hindu lobby love Trump for his views on Muslims being not much different than Hitler’s views of Jews in the past.

    Both Hillary and Trump addressed AIPAC conference while the Hindu lobby only invited Trump to address its conference.

  41. @Quartermaster

    “…If you want to whine, at least get the stuff right.”

    That’s a pure shitlib meme- when I shake my fist under your troll chin-

    I ain’t A-WHININ’!

  42. Art says:

    The Clintons are two political prostitutes. They are selling their name for money. But they are also selling America’s prestige and power for personally monetary gain.

    What whores! How low can they go?

  43. @Tom Welsh

    Clinton emails shows US pushed Syrian regime change for Israel’s sake:

    Scroll to George Washington’s ‘Farewell Address’ warning (and what Admiral Moorer said as well) at bottom of

  44. geokat62 says:

    “Hillary…has repeatedly declared that her support for Israel is unconditional”

    Thank goodness for that!

    No need to thank “goodness” for that, Sherm. Just thank AIPAC, instead.

  45. @Sherman

    Good to see you are upholding the time-tested tradition of overreaching. You personally do as much, if not more than anyone on this site to bring forward the eventual realisation of the American people that the state of Israel is the greatest enemy of the USA bar none.

    Once you and your ilk have achieved a tipping point there will be something akin to a new 4th July only the fireworks will be of a different nature entirely. You create more ill will towards Jews with your commentary than any neo-nazi ever could.

  46. Correction “Delusional foreign policy WILL bring disaster”

  47. Rehmat says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Your BAD FOR IRAN is based on your ignorance. Iran has withstood the so-called ‘world’s only superpower’ America since 1980s. Netanyahu has been threatening Iran with airstrikes since the 1990s but as the American top guns said many times – Israel will never dare to tangle with Iran without American Air Force help.

    Tehran terminated diplomatic relations with Egypt after Anwar Sadat hugged war criminal Begin.

    Iran has good business relations with Russia. Iran never imported arms from Russia or signed a military defense pact with Russia like India.

    It doesn’t matter to Iranian government or people who becomes new president of America – because they consider both Hillary and Trump EVILS.

    Last month, in a televised speech in the city of Ark, Rouhani said he had no preference in the US presidential election and the choice offered to American citizens was between bad and worse.

    “Did you see the debate and the way of their speaking, accusing and mocking each other? Do we want such a democracy and election in our country?,” Rouhani said.

    Rouhani said that during his September visit to the UN General Assembly, he was asked which of the US presidential candidates he preferred. “I said, what? Should I prefer bad to worse or worse to bad?,” he said in comments broadcast live by state television. It was Rouhani’s first public comment on the US presidential election…..

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  48. @The Alarmist

    Hillary a litigator? I think not. She is an executioner, who blade of injustice has no restraint.

  49. Avery says:


    {Trump’s controversial call to stop all Muslim immigration has been rightly condemned }

    Giraldi worked in Muslim Turkey for many years and he is a rabid Turkophile and an Islamophile. He rightly rails against Israel for the harm it causes US, but hypocritically ignores the far more serious danger from radical Islam.

    There is nothing so-called controversial to stop Muslim immigration.
    And Mr. Giraldi lies like a rug: Trump has not called for _all_ Muslim immigration; just from certain countries.

    Nevertheless, there is nothing in US Constitution that says US cannot deny entry to anyone. Once you are in US, you have lots of rights. But you have no right to immigrate to US. None.

    Late breaking news: US was founded by European stock Christians.
    Christian Anglo-Saxons.
    Not Muslims. Anyone who wants to live in Islamistan, is most welcome to move and live happily ever after amongst fellow Muslims.

  50. Anonymous [AKA "Clinton"] says:

    In a less than 3 minute video, you can see just how the ‘news’ is ‘manufactured’ and ‘reported’, e.g., “Parked Car Bomb Kills 10 in Baghdad Neighborhood,” which was ‘dutifully reported’ by none other than Associated Press, NBC, Daily Mail, Reuters, Global News, etc.

    Here`s the LiveLeak video of what happened.

  51. Kiza says:

    I have never been happier to be wrong about the US people overall – congratulations to the majority on not letting the corrupt and decadent US elite bamboozle you into voting against your own interest and the interest of your nation. Even my 87 year old mother said today that US people are smarter than we thought.

    Congratulations also to the US morons on sharing the same country with a smarter group of people. Once you wipe off your tears, you stop whining and come out of your protected safe-spaces you may begin to understand that a great thing happened today (unless you emigrate to Canada and pollute that poor country… nah, they deserve you).

    We can only hope now that the Trump’s win will be the win for the rule of law. For decades now the US elite has been above the law, which translated into the US Government being above the international law (an exceptional nation). If Trump drains the US swamp, this will probably translate into US retiring from the role of the Judge Dread, that is the sickly corrupt Globocop. The laws start at home, a powerful lawless nation presented a clear and present danger to the World. Law and order will truly make US great again and the economy (jobs) will follow.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Avery
  52. @Rehmat


    I regret how ignorant are you for having labeled my reasoned SPECULATIONS as to what might (tragically) become the future fate of The Islamic Republic of Iran as “ignorant.”

    If there is one person who comments on The Unz Review who knows how the Zionists manage to give the American voters only “bad to worse or worse to bad” as to Made-In-Israel U.S. Middle East executive foreign policy choices, it is you.

    At age 64, I do not expect an apology for your your having labeled my speculations “ignorant” because I have too much respect for your conveyance of historical & current event truths. Thank you. And remember — the heroic American cowpoke idol, John Wayne, advised fans to “never apologize.” Thank you,

  53. Helen says: • Website

    Any war is disgusting. Only brainwashed people can support invading troops to other country as “rescue mission”. American society is deeply brainwashed. American leaders always wanted to show what a great power they have, the war is the most blunt and obvious way to display it!
    Of course, no war on US territory! Let’s destroy other countries who don’t agree with us!

  54. @Kiza

    The “lawless” toxins inhabiting the D.C. “swamp” will be nurtured and left in charge of president-elect D. Trump’s ultra-Sheldon Adelson/Netanyahu Middle East “mow the lawn” policy goals. Please refer to “link” below, Kiza, and thank you.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  55. Kiza says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    I am willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. I quote my own comment from to explain.

    Trump won principally because he promised change whilst looking like not being a part of the establishment resisting change. The US people may still turn out to have been naive to have voted for a promise of change again, but at least this time the promise did not come from an obvious puppet of the crooked establishment – Obama. Obama was pushed forward exactly to avoid any change and the crooked Democrats thought they could remain in power forever by alternating in a circle between black, woman, gay, ethnic (Mexican) symbolic presidents. It wasn’t to be.

    I am only concerned that the single party of US, the Demopublicans, will give Trump the Kennedy Treatment, that is the plomo part of the ‘Plata o Plomo’. If Trump attempts 1% of the change he promised, then plomo will be flying. Nobody ever gave power away willingly, least of all the privileged criminal class.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  56. @Kiza

    “I am only concerned that the U.S. single party… will give Trump the Kennedy treatment.”

    So interesting how you invoked the Kennedy treatment!

    In James Douglass’s book, “JFK and The Unspeakable,” the author discusses the thought of Trappist-monk, Thomas Merton, who communicated, via US mail, with JFK’s sister while her brother was U.S. “Commander-n-Chief.”

    In his letters, Thomas Merton expressed minimal confidence in JFK;s having sufficient courage to tackle what he coined as the “Unspeakable.” Apparently, given his non-Touch Football presidential actions, JFK had enough courage to get himself murdered on Elm Street, and to this day the sons and daughters of the “Unspeakable” coup are driving the junked JFK limousine (with us in the trunk) into an endlessly immoral & expensive War of Terror.

    So you know, Kiza — Paul Craig Roberts wrote a terrific review of the book “JFK and the Unspeakable” which can be accessed on his homepage. For better or worse, there you’ll find P.C.R. did not focus on the Thomas Merton factor as I have. Thank you for listening, Kiza!

  57. Avery says:

    {congratulations to the majority}

    Sorry, Kiza: no congratulations are due to the majority of US voters.
    Clinton actually won the popular vote:

    Clinton: 59,814,018 votes.
    Trump: 59,611,678 votes.

    Trump won the Electoral College votes.
    Of course that’s the system here in US and that’s how candidates approach it. They don’t go for the popular vote: they go for the electoral votes. Some states with small populations become critical to win, because of electoral votes.

    Nevertheless, this was a historic moment in US.
    Given the massive assault on Trump by the Establishment, the MSM, everybody and his brother and sister – plus the too many gaffes on Trump’s part, his win is beyond belief.

    It is quite gratifying that the vile, anti-American warmongering, parasitic, reptilian Establishment got a bloody nose. Also, it is quite gratifying that the smug MSM talking heads who had confidently anointed The Hildabeast POTUS, got their stupid, smug heads handed to them by someone they deeply loath.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  58. HBM says:

    My sense is that Trump’s strategy vis-a-vis Israel will be to give lip service our special relationship while effectively sacrificing Palestinians in exchange for American sovereignty. Israel, like every other country, will be allowed to pursue whatever internal policies it likes, but will have to deal with the consequences of those policies themselves. The United States won’t allow unchecked Israeli spying, send Israel any more free money or fight their wars of expansion, and we won’t be there if the Israelis try to drag us into another desert adventure or piss off their neighbors enough to have a need for America to pull their bacon out of the fire. It puts all the onus on Israeli behavior, which is where it needs to be. Want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians? Move the capital to Jerusalem? Fine. But the phone is off the hook.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  59. MarkinLA says:

    I just want him to tell Adolph Netanyahu to forget about US help for an attack on Iran. Let Israel do it themselves, if they have the balls.

  60. Kiza says:

    Thanks for the correction Avery. Yet, it is a minor point – then the US people appear to be in a fine balance between deplorable&smart and selfish&dumb.

    Many of the second kind have been whining and sobbing to make one feel sick, people devoid of character. Many are saying that Hillary lost because she has been vilified (by who?) and because she is a woman. Do not they then amply deserve the epithet ‘dumb’?

    I must admit that for me the most pleasurable is this character debasement of the losers, from MSM prostitutes to academic mercenary cry-babies, running now to their safe-spaces till the next election. I wish I got a cent for every time this refuse mentioned the coming fascism in America. You really do not realise what kind of characters you share the society with until something like this happens. What an election!!!

    • Replies: @Avery
  61. Avery says:

    {…the second kind have been whining and sobbing }


    Enjoy everybody: it’s a beautiful day in America.
    [Butt-Hurt Crying Hillary Voters Compilation]

  62. @Avery

    What a joy to see the Al Qaida-Al Nusra-ISIS supporters, aka as Hitlery supporters, cry!

    It is disgusting to see the Arizina nomenklatura rubberstamp the election of the APPARATCHIK Jihad McCain.

    • Agree: Kiza
  63. @Avery

    They are crying for the defeat of Hitlery/Killary.

    They are crying for the imminent coming of the defeat of ISIS-Al Nusra.

    Cry until you die, you war criminal-supporters!

  64. TJM says:

    PLEASE READ: This is just an FYI, maybe a very important one.

    George Soros and his social warriors may be at work.

    Below was forwarded to me by a friend in law enforcement, I took out the name of the actual place for reasons of privacy (mainly mine), but I was told this is going on across the nation.

    “A friend of his was walking her dog and wearing a headscarf. She was harassed by a Trump supporter, who then called the police on her. XXXXXXX county police came in with guns drawn, fired on the dog as it ran away, and handcuffed the woman. They let her go after they realized they couldn’t charge her with anything. The police acted outrageously and need to be held accountable. Please call the numbers listed in the link and spread the word!


    The officer told me this was a total hoax, absolutely no such event happened. He also told me such false claims were being made across the nation. The goal seems to be they are trying to set up “social warrior network”, very much like they did in Kiev, Georgia…and everywhere else Soros spreads social unrest. The concern is this could be laying the groundwork for something bigger. They build these networks now to react when some catalyst is perpetrated, a “black flag” perhaps. They repletely ask for help from “white people of good conscience”. They put out this false claim, on social netowrks and try to form oganizations to protect the police…I noted the useage of a “Trump supporter” in the original message, pretty pathetic.

    The organization is called: “UP Racial Justice Peace Makers” Sounds like a George Soros color revolutionary perverse terminology to me.

    The first step in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence. This could be nothing, but considering what just happened with the election, something is coming.

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