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Noam Chomsky is, as this documentary notes, “widely regarded as the most influential intellectual of his time.” Given that Chomsky is on the left, it might seem that he has little to offer. But in many respects, his comments here reinforce many of the ideas linked to the populist right, although, as with the influence of the (never mentioned) Israel Lobby, he also has an very large blind spot when it comes to Jewish power. Chomsky, born in 1928, was already a superstar linguistics professor at MIT by the 1960s when he became a fixture among New Left activist intellectuals, joining such figures as Paul Goodman, Herbert Marcuse, and Howard Zinn. The documentary is really a history of America beginning in the 1950s seen through the eyes of a New Left intellectual.

Unlike the continued vilification of the 1950s that streams out of Hollywood, Chomsky labels the decade a relatively egalitarian “golden age,” noting that the relative wealth of the bottom 20% increased about as much as the top 20%, labor unions were strong, working class people could afford a home and a car, and taxes (including taxes on capital gains and dividends) were relatively high on the wealthy. Nowadays we are told only about Jim Crow practices that still occurred in the South in the 1950s, but Chomsky notes that Blacks were able to get good jobs working in automobile factories, etc.

All that changed, beginning with what Chomsky calls the “significant democratization” of the 1960s—the Civil Rights movement, feminism, and environmentalism. In my writing, both in The Culture of Critique and Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition, I regard the 1960s as a watershed, transformative decade, marking the rise of a new Jewish-dominated left-of-center elite based on power in media and the academic world. Chomsky does not agree, claiming that beginning in the 1970s there was a reaction against the 1960s that culminated in the relative dispossession of the working class. This is true as far as it goes, but it fails to come to note the rise of Jewish power in the finance and business also occurred during this period

In arguing for his position, Chomsky emphasizes that the 1970s marked the beginning of the rise of the financialization of the economy. Whereas in the 1950s manufacturing was 28% of the economy and finance 11%, the balance had reversed by 2010. Chomsky notes that companies like General Electric realized they could make more money with sophisticated financial maneuvering than by manufacturing. Complex financial instruments were invented and financial regulations that had been in place since the 1930s to prevent economic crashes were removed. And it was the beginning of outsourcing manufacturing to foreign countries with cheap labor and the consequent decline of labor unions and the economic and political power of the White working class. And when the complex financial instruments blew up (as happened in 2008 with collateralized debt obligations [the result of bundling good and bad (including “liar loans’) loans into one financial product]), the government bailed out “too big to fail” Wall Street but not individual homeowners.

As Chomsky notes, the result of these developments was rising economic inequality—the rise of the super-rich top 0.1 percent to unrivaled political power. Chomsky notes that the super-rich much prefer oligarchy to democracy and indeed the data support him. they are able to control the political process via donations to political candidates and control of media messages. Jews are recognized as the “financial engine of the left,” as Norman Podhoretz phrased it, and contribute around 75% of the funds for Democrats and probably at least 50% for Republicans (Sheldon’ Adelson’s generosity toward Trump. (A prominent example is Sheldon Adelson whose support of Trump [north of $200 million] is predicated on a pro-Israel foreign policy; in general the Republican Jewish Coalition favors a pro-Israel foreign policy and moving the party to the left on social issues like immigration and gender).

Illustrating the importance of media control, Chomsky notes that Obama’s presidential campaign received an award for the most effective public relations media campaign and he decries the Supreme Court’s decision in the Citizens United case which framed financial donations to political campaigns by corporations and labor unions as free speech, in effect further opening the gates for the wealthy to control the political system. He then notes this is quite unlike media corporations like CBS which are “supposed to be a public service.”

This of course, is absurd, implying that CBS (and by implication other mainstream media corporations) has no political biases and does not in fact operate as a public service. CBS is part of ViacomCBS, whose major owners are the Sumner Redstone and his family, who are Jewish and whose values are typical of the liberal-left attitudes of the mainstream Jewish community (here, p. xlvi–lvi).

Chomsky clearly has a distaste for oligarchy but he fails to mention the very large body of writing by Jews opposed to populism—a major theme of The Culture of Critique, especially Chapter 5. As noted there, citing Paul Gottfried (After Liberalism) and Christopher Lasch (The True and Only Heaven):

In the post–World War II era The Authoritarian Personality became an ideological weapon against historical American populist movements, especially McCarthyism (Gottfried 1998; Lasch 1991, 455ff). “[T]he people as a whole had little understanding of liberal democracy and . . . important questions of public policy would be decided by educated elites, not submitted to popular vote” (Lasch 1991, 455).

In his 1963 book The Tolerant Populists, Walter Nugent, was

explicit in finding that Jewish identification was an important ingredient in the [anti-populist] analysis, attributing the negative view of American populism held by some American Jewish historians (Richard Hofstadter, Daniel Bell, and Seymour Martin Lipset) to the fact that “they were one generation removed from the Eastern European shtetl [small Jewish town], where insurgent gentile peasants meant pogrom.”

Indeed, another example comes from Chomsky which occurred well before the rise of Jews to cultural dominance; Walter Lippmann, also Jewish, is quoted as writing in 1925 “The public must be put in its place.” Throughout European history down to the Soviet Union and post-World War II communist societies in Eastern Europe, Jews have always made alliances with ruling elites, often alien ruling elites and often in opposition to other sectors of the population.

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Chomsky’s blinders on the media and populism are part of a larger pattern. Chomsky sees post-1960s America as a backlash against the 1960s but in fact the post-1960s America described by Chomsky is the result of the same forces that produced the 1960s counter-cultural revolution: the rise of Jewish power discussed in The Culture of Critique. Chomsky fails to mention that Wall Street and corporate America are decidedly on the left when it comes to the social issues that came to prominence in the 1960s: civil rights (now morphed into racial identity politics for all non-Whites), feminism (now morphed into gender identity politics), and the environment (now dominated by “climate change”). Leftist attitudes on these issues pervade elite media, the academic world, and corporate America.

And he fails to mention that Wall Street is well known to be a center of Jewish power. In his 1999 book, The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State, Benjamin Ginsberg claimed that Jews comprised 50% of Wall Street executives. It’s doubtless at least that high now, and that number doesn’t really get at the extent of Jewish control of key Wall Street players like Goldman Sachs.

Kevin Phillips provides some detail on Chomsky’s economic history of America since the 1980s:

My summation is that American financial capitalism, at a pivotal period in the nation’s history, cavalierly ventured a multiple gamble: first, financializing a hitherto more diversified U.S. economy; second, using massive quantities of debt and leverage to do so; third, following up a stock market bubble with an even larger housing and mortgage credit bubble; fourth, roughly quadrupling U.S. credit-market debt between 1987 and 2007, a scale of excess that historically unwinds; and fifth, consummating these events with a mixed fireworks of dishonesty, incompetence and quantitative negligence.

The Occidental Observer has posted 44 articles on the topic of Jews in the Economy/Finance. (This link goes to the most recent of these articles, Edmund Connelly’s “Jews and Vulture Capitalism: A Reprise.” If you scroll to the bottom of the page there are links to the other articles in this topic—an awkward system; will fix.) Connelly has contributed several other articles on these topics, including “The Culture of Deceit” illustrating the legitimacy of financial fraud within the mainstream Jewish community and several articles on how the Jewish role in financial manipulation has been airbrushed by Hollywood. Also included in this collection are are several articles by Andrew Joyce (“Vulture Capitalism Is Jewish Capitalism,” Paul Singer and the Universality of Anti-Semitism,” and “Jews and Moneylending: A Contemporary Case File), and by me (“Does Jewish Financial Misbehavior Have Anything To Do with Being Jewish?” and “Now Comes the Anger.”

Finally, another enormous blindspot is Chomsky’s never mentioning immigration at all, despite its tranformative effects on America. Chomsky dutifully mentions the role of outsourcing jobs in compromising the interests of the working class but never mentions that the effects of immigration which is a major part of the reason for wage stagnation since 1970 but also forcing working class Whites to move out of formerly White areas in areas like Southern California which have been inundated by immigration. Chomsky champions a class-based politics, but the Democratic Party, formerly the bastion of labor unions, has become the party of diversity, embodying all the themes of the 1960s counter-cultural revolution and ignoring the interests of their White working-class constituents, with the result that the White working class was the largest group supporting Donald Trump with his populist rhetoric during the 2016 election. Because of the importation of millions of non-Whites, the class-based politics of the 1950s has been destroyed in favor of a coalition of non-Whites and upper-middle-class White liberals (Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition, Chapter 8).

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Wunderbarer Stream!
    A real joy listening too.
    Thank you very much Kevin and Frodi!

  2. CamFree says:

    A study of Chomsky’s stands on particularly dreadful actions such as JFK’s assassination, 9/11, and with regard to the roles of the CIA and FBI, shows Chomsky to be a de facto defender of the status quo’s most egregious outrages and their covert agency engines. He conducts his de facto defence of the Empire he appears to oppose through applying the very propaganda methods against which he has warned, including use of the derogatory phrase “conspiracy theorist,” which in one context he has characterized as “something people say when they don’t want you to think about what’s really going on…”

    And he perpetrates his own “lesser of two evils” defense of an old, collapsing Establishment with his classic quote: “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

    While I can’t know exactly what’s in Chomsky’s mind, I most certainly can make an informed and intelligent determination of the likely motives for his absolutely nonsensical statements about the crimes of 9-11. Chomsky is behaving like a classic “gatekeeper” of the ‘left’, like “controlled opposition”. All we’re saying is: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck!

  3. I’m just wondering. “His comments here”, in a conversation, omit Jewish lobbies, Jewish influence in subverting society etc. But this “intellectual” has written many books, How The World Works etc. etc. etc. etc. Has he been thus evasive in all his thoughtful writings as in this conversation?

  4. widely regarded as the most important intellectual alive

    This is the first sentence in youtube’s description. Holy holies batman.

    I thought James Corbett had pierced this vampire with a silver spike but I guess not yet.

    Meet Noam Chomsky, Academic Gatekeeper (Corbett Report)

    (This is one of Corbett’s all-time greatest hits.)

    • Agree: Biff
    • Thanks: mark green, anon8383892
  5. Kelso says:

    One must read Tom Wolfe’s “THE KINGDOM OF SPEECH” which is a savage sendup of Noam Chomsky. If you thought “My Three Stooges” or “Tiny Mummies” were devastating, Wolfe’s brutal dissection of Chomsky goes beyond epic in depth and detail. My dad used to say there are some things that are so stupid that only an academic would say or believe them, and Chomsky is living proof that dads are always right if only appreciated years later.
    In his non-academic activities Chomsky is the classic artful dodger who helps control the narrative so that anyone who isn’t Jewish can’t get in a word in. Does Chomsky support BDS? I dunno, it’s all buried in doublespeak and endless masturbatory pontification.

  6. Finally, another enormous blindspot is Chomsky’s never mentioning immigration at all, despite its tranformative effects on America.

    He has outsourced that theme to his daughter Aviva Chomsky, who wrote two books on the subject: Undocumented: How Immigration Became Illegal, and They Take Our Jobs! and 20 Other Myths About Immigration

    Anyway, the immigration issue is probably history now. Corona took care of it.

  7. I notice that the general tone of the article and the comments here is anti-Chomsky so put me down as pro-Chomsky.

    I haven’t been following him closely, may be in need of correction, but my impression as of now is that he is pro-Palestinian and pro-BDS. He is joint author of at least one book on the subject. And has written several important books about the machinations of the powerful, how it all works.

    Noam, I’m glad you’re no Joe Biden. Keep alert, please. Live another decade, please. In comfort. And gift us another of your great works.

  8. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I haven’t been following him closely, may be in need of correction, but my impression as of now is that he is pro-Palestinian and pro-BDS.

    At first, he made statements that were construed as being against BDS (I couldn’t find the exact words he used then). Later, he issued a “clarification”:

    Chomsky clarifies position on the cultural boycott of Israel
    https://bdsmovement.net/news/chomsky-clarifies-position-cultural-boycott-israel

    Artists for Palestine UK seemed to be satisfied.

    BDS is more than just ‘cultural’ boycott, but he didn’t address other forms of boycott in his so-called clarification. He did acknowledge that he has ‘some tactical differences with the BDS movement’.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  9. @Brás Cubas

    ‘At first, he made statements that were construed as being against BDS (I couldn’t find the exact words he used then). Later, he issued a “clarification”:

    ‘Chomsky clarifies position on the cultural boycott of Israel
    https://bdsmovement.net/news/chomsky-clarifies-position-cultural-boycott-israel

    ‘Artists for Palestine UK seemed to be satisfied.

    ‘BDS is more than just ‘cultural’ boycott, but he didn’t address other forms of boycott in his so-called clarification. He did acknowledge that he has ‘some tactical differences with the BDS movement’.’

    In my opinion such ‘soft’ anti-Zionism is worse than useless.

    ‘Israel should be better, but…’

    Well, shouldn’t we all? The net effect is to actually legitimize Israel. She becomes ‘one of us’ — subject to polite criticism, and — if she wishes — politely responding, ad infinitem, while nothing changes, Israel is still there, the settlements are still there (regrettably, of course), and Palestinians continue to be all but openly murdered at will.

    …regrettably, of course.

    Nazi Germany would still be around if it had been accorded such treatment.

    Regrettably, of course.

    One has to be clear about this. Israel isn’t like the rest of us, flawed, but muddling along.

    She isn’t to be tolerated. She’s an abomination, and it’s the moral responsibility of every American to — at a minimum — end our connection with that horror.

  10. ““they were one generation removed from the Eastern European shtetl [small Jewish town], where insurgent gentile peasants meant pogrom.””

    The omnipresent Jewish fantasies of persecution at the hands of gentiles, carefully glossing over their own behavior. The idea that Jews had to fear pogroms from gentiles in Poland (etc) is pure fantasy. The truth is that the Poles were quite restrained, given the predatory nature of Jews in that country. Domination of postal/transport monopolies, liquor sales, etc etc. Even in Russia the raids by Cossacks and others are overblown and magnified out of proportion. Lives were cheap in the Russian Empire in general, but a single Jewish fingernail is worth a year of threnodies.

    To return to the main subject, Chomsky seems to function as a smokescreen for Jewish interests. He does a great job of documenting abuses by the US government, for instance, backing up his claims with evidence. However, his whole ‘schtick’ is to perform ‘institutional analysis’, which is a way of considering a situation and figuring out the corporate interests at work. The human beings lying behind those corporate interests are of no concern to him, for rather obvious reasons: they would, more likely than not, turn out to be his co-ethnics.

    His role is to deflect questions about responsibility onto vague analyses of power structures. Wall Street as a functional abstraction, rather than a set of businesses dominated by certain groups. As a result he fails to see the networks lying behind multiple industries. (For instance, Hollywood and the military industrial complex have a partnership that cannot be fully understood until one realizes that Jews maintain a lock on the film industry and on various defence/procurement related committees). He is, sadly, completely out of date given modern network science.

    PS: there are some typos in the text that should be cleaned up.

    • Agree: Wally
  11. Chomsky can be adequately summed up in one word: Sayanim

    • Agree: Druid, Alden
    • Replies: @Old Jew
  12. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    said:
    “Nazi Germany would still be around if it had been accorded such treatment.”

    – Please tell us what you think NS Germany did that was so bad.

    – Reminder, you will be asked for proof.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  13. Alfred says:

    Chomsky is just another foil in the armory of Jewish propaganda and perception management. He is a fake. He will do anything to promote the interests of Israel while pretending to be on the side of the “Good Guys”. A total hypocrite.

    • Agree: Moi, Alden
    • Replies: @Ghali
  14. Let’s be honest with one another. Jews have been in ascendency for a century. They have won every single struggle, every one. Go ahead and cite a situation where Jews have not triumphed. They defeated what has been acknowledged to be the finest military of the 20th century. They have seized absolute political, financial and media control of the US.

    There is no remaining population in the US that has any chance of reversing this situation. The US is a hopelessly and helplessly dysfunctional multi-cultural mess, with a population of declining IQ, not to mention masculinity.

    And now you are unemployed, forced to “shelter in place”, while the final looting operation unfolds. Sorry to say, but none of us have a fraction of the strength of either the allies or axis men of the middle 20th century.

    There’s some way to reverse this?

  15. Having seen the documentary Manufacturing Consent, read much of his material and had the pleasure of hearing him speak in person, I would respectfully suggest to readers of this site that Chomsky is a controlled academic, not unlike, Amy Goodman and Seymour Hersh. I can quite candidly admit that his analyses of economics and politics, esp. in the USA, has helped me to understand a great deal more than I may have otherwise.

    When questioned why he didn’t do more for the disadvantaged people of different countries around the world, he exclaimed “I’m not Amnesty International!” which drew a laugh from the audience.

    As a sensitive intellectual, and I daresay, having a passion for his life’s work – given the choice of continuing to do research, write books and travel on lecture tours OTOH, or be discredited, having his career destroyed and possibly even murdered OTOH, it would be an extremely difficult choice to have to make.

    I, too, wish he would be more forthright on 9/11, the power of the zionist lobby in US finance & politics and the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, amongst other issues – but I can understand why he’s ‘made the bed he lays in’.

    • Replies: @Ghali
    , @FactChecker
    , @Alden
  16. @Morton's toes

    Thanks for that. I’m replying as I’ve exhausted my comments/reactions for this 8 hour window.

  17. Druid says:
    @Kelso

    You’ve voiced what I’ve felt when trying to listen to him. Couldn’t get through even one conversation. Basic obfuscating. Never understood the accolades. May be that he is like Freud and Einstein, great because he’s a member of the tribe

    • Agree: Richard B
  18. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Chomsky himself is afraid of Jewish condemnation. When he talks about Israel’s faults he generally blames them on the US. I remember one speech where his voice sank to a whisper when he spoke the word ‘Israel’ in a negative characterization. I have noticed this sinking voice phenomenon before and it is a dead giveaway. I don’t think he likes whites very much, but he is not without fear of ‘his own people.’

  19. chris says:

    It would bear mention in the article the huge and cumulative effects of the Federal Reserve* role as the crack-cocaine dealer which has fueled the shift away from manufacturing, erected the monstrous military, and enabled the creation of gargantuan corporations through the cheap debt of low interest.

    The resulting utter destruction of our and subsequently, all other western currencies, cannot but directly enable the here noted effects.

    *A wholly owned tribal subsidiary

  20. vot tak says:

    “Finally, another enormous blindspot is Chomsky’s never mentioning immigration at all”

    That is pure horseshit. A simple web search on chomsky on immigration brought this up as the first listed:

    Crises of Immigration, lecture by Professor Noam Chomsky

    https://gcm.unu.edu/publications/articles/crises-of-immigration.html

    Full text: Crises of Immigration. https://i.unu.edu/media/gcm.unu.edu/publication/3328/Chomsky-lecture.pdf

    I’m not a fan of chomsky and consider him to be a gatekeeper, but for reasons based upon what he has written or said. Not for made up reasons in order to bang my own drum as mcdonald is obviously doing by lying about chomsky not discussing immigration.

  21. neutral says:

    This is hardly a new thing, various jewish factions have been doing this fake political discourse thing for a long time now. Think of Marx and Ayn Rand, at first they look like polar opposites, but all these jew created ideologies are identical when it comes to what really matters, which is racial equality, blank slatism, rejection of tradition, ancestry and blood and soil.

    All these jew created ideas are anti white and pro jew, no pro white can ever sincerely adhere to any of these people.

  22. neutral says:
    @Just another serf

    There’s some way to reverse this?

    Of course there is, the system is run by real world people, change the people and the system changes.

  23. I just think he is not willing to make an honest analysis of race because he sees all such discussion as racism. And sure, it is, but as I keep trying to explain to my leftist friends, there is reasonable racism, and unreasonable racism.

    What is unreasonable racism is painting an individual of a group with that group’s average characteristic (black people are fast, so this black guy must be fast), or extrapolating for the group what one sees in an individual.

    You can compare groups against other groups, and make generalisations however, same as you can compare an individual with another individual. You can even gather data and discuss it scientifically! (this is discounted as casual racism by the people around me!)

    On average black people run faster than everyone else. Shows in the medal collections. Maybe even on average the faster members of the black race run faster than the faster members of other races – at least the tail can be discussed from the medal collections.

    On average Jews don’t pursue farming as much as other groups, but prefer middleman jobs (how cryptotech will bugger them BTW), and so they disproportionately end up in the service economy, including finance. That’s just analysing the lay of the land.

    I used to really go for Chomsky, but he seemed to be uncomfortable with even considering this base, even before going onto the much more difficult second step.

    Why does it suck for everyone who is not a Jew, that they dominate the service economy? That requires an analysis of the ideology that governs the group.

    Without a governing ideology people accross the races are just empty and materialistic, and mostly I would say difference in behaviour manifests from difference in circumstance. Middle class black people generally don’t go out guns blazing in their neighbourhood, just as poor white folks fall to crime out of necessity. Sure there will be some difference, but without ideology, it’ll be fairly unimportant.

    If there is anything out there on Chomsky discussing the Jewish faith, and it’s view on ‘other’, then I’d love to read it. To me this extreme duality between self and other that creates the monopolising nature, and hence the unreasonable force that Judaism exerts on those societies it exists within, that is the problem. All ideologies have some level of it, just that the Jewish faith has made theirs more extreme than any others that have a major following.

    But Chomsky seems to think that any group, under any ideology, acts similarly when in a position of monopolistic power. Either that or he believes he can reform people and belief systems through general principles, rather than through direct, scorching critique of both their actions, and their beliefs.

    He does speak truth to power, but in the same vegan way as Sanders and Corbyn. He is not willing to go for the kill with respect to the ideological cause that drives some power to injustice, but keeps on circling and trying to treat the symptoms, or effects of those ideologies. A big-pharma approach to critique.

    Interestingly, I wonder how he sees himself with respect to the following quote.

    DS: Did you read Nivi’im, the prophets, with your father in Hebrew?

    NC: The word “prophet” is a very bad translation of an obscure Hebrew word, navi. Nobody knows what it means. But today they’d be called dissident intellectuals. They were giving geopolitical analysis, arguing that the acts of the rulers were going to destroy society. And they condemned the acts of evil kings. They called for justice and mercy to orphans and widows and so on.

    I don’t want to say it was all beautiful. Dissident intellectuals aren’t all beautiful. You read Sakharov, who is sometimes appalling. Or Solzhenitsyn. And the nivi’im were treated the way dissident intellectuals always are. They weren’t praised. They weren’t honored. They were imprisoned like Jeremiah. They were driven into the desert. They were hated. Now at the time, there were intellectuals, “prophets,” who were very well treated. They were the flatterers of the court. Centuries later, they were called “false prophets.”

    People who criticize power in the Jewish community are regarded the way Ahab treated Elijah: You’re a traitor. You’ve got to serve power. You can’t argue that the policies that Israel is following are going to lead to its destruction, which I thought then and still do.

    https://chomsky.info/20101112/

    It’s the policies sure – but what is the ideological basis for that consistent decision making?

    • Thanks: animalogic
  24. Noam Chomsky turns into a neocon when his precious ancom Mossad-backed Rojava stops getting US backing. He’s nothing more than a Jewish supremacist who shills the same “hot chicks with guns” propaganda the IDF uses on American men, except Rojavas hot chicks with guns like “equality” and other bullshit

    Chomsky must get his foreign policy tips from John Bolton, because they’re one in the same when it comes to American troops dying for Jewish interests

  25. @jbwilson24

    Vague, escapist, juggler. Cemented insider into the edifice of convention, no risk attitudes, grey, dull, and endlessly trivial. Jew to the core. Intentionally, not blinded, a career Slavoy Zizek and Steven Pinker and some see as the model to follow. Trivial, egoistic, no-risk, no nexus between action and words. Great tradition fed by the spoon. Original suggestions: none.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  26. @Just another serf

    At the end of the day it all comes down to a length of rope. You put “them” in it our you put yourself in it.

    For me I think the day of the rope is just when we all recognize the futility of it all put ourselves in the rope.

  27. padre says:

    So there is no chance of someone, who is left orientated, to offer something?Of course not, because, we “not-left-orientated” know it all and know it better!

  28. Ghali says:

    It is the “left” who adopted Chomsky. Chomsky himself has often denied that he is a “Leftist”. He openly supported and still supports the U.S. Democratic Party of Clintons, Pelosi and Obama. On the Israel Lobby, Chomsky has rejected any influence it exerts on U.S.policies. He often said that the Lobby is not different from any other lobbies. He made concerted efforts to deflect attention away from Israel, and argued that oil is the main reason for the U.S. presence and aggression in the Middle East. He argued that the U.S. uses Israel to police the region and protects U.S. interests. He said, on many occasions, that he supports Israel and that the U.S. has a duty to defend Israel.

    Chomsky is of the same idea as W. Lippmann. “The public must be put into sleep” when they read Chomsky.

  29. Ghali says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Since when Amnesty International is in the business of helping disadvantaged people?

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  30. @CamFree

    100% agree. Made similar points recently about Chomsky in my comments on E Michael Jones review of The Plot Against America.

    Miles Mathis makes a great point about the “guru up the hill,” which Chomsky was for me for a long time.

    On our journey towards truth, we climb the mountain of knowledge and enlightenment. Eventually we meet a guru who seems like he has all the answers, so we stop and learn, thinking we’ve found a guide to ultimate truth. After many years, we begin to see some flaws in our guru’s understanding and decide to continue up the hill. Eventually, we come to another guru up the hill who explains the contradictions and loose ends which our previous guru couldn’t. Finally, someone who knows the truth! We may end up satisfied with our new guru’s framework and never move higher up the hill. If so, he has acted as the gatekeeper who keeps us in ignorance of the final vision of reality.

    Mathis posits that these gurus, such as Chomsky, are intelligence assets. In many cases, I believe he is right.

    One of the key things even the best gurus never really talk about is Jewish Power.

    Funny thing is I eventually decided that Mathis was a gatekeeper too, even though he was all over Jewish power. His analysis eventually veered off into disinformation to the point he would have one doubt the reality of nearly everything.

    While I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t need gurus (other than Christ), I appreciate someone like Ron Unz, who provides a very open forum and does great work as well, from which I continue to benefit.

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  31. @Patagonia Man

    When it comes to state sponsored terror, propaganda and like concepts, he’s very good. On 9-11, JFK and other so-called conspiracy theories, he’s lying and it’s painfully obvious

  32. anarchyst says:

    It’s the JEWS…It’s ALWAYS the JEWS…

    I came of age during the first so-called “civil-rights” movement and saw for myself the underhanded dealings, the demonization of decent, law-abiding whites, and in general, the deterioration of civil society.

    Almost all of the “civil-rights” workers and demonstration “handlers” were of one persuasion–New York based leftist communist jews. They cared not one wit about true “civil rights”, but were there to create hate and discontent among their black charges (who were too stupid or naive to see that they were being used to suborn and destroy legitimate government and society–a favorite communist tactic).

    These New York-based “carpetbaggers” fomented their hate and discontent, only to become future “civil-rights” attorneys, race-hustlers, and America-hating leftist communists…and the ADL and $PLC being invented.

    Those of us whites who were in the middle of this “civil-rights” revolution had a saying: “Behind every negro, there is a jew”. No truer words were spoken.
    Let’s not forget their infestation of the nation’s education and entertainment systems, (which continues to the present day), in which they can spread their jewish supremacist poison.

    The so-called “non-violent civil-rights demonstrations” were anything but “non-violent”. Robberies, rapes, and other criminal acts were common, but never reported, as even the “mainstream media” was “in on the game” and conveniently turned off their cameras during the acts of violence. You see, even then,”creating crises” was a part of the agenda.

    The “beginning of the end” of America was the use of federal troops against white Americans, which, in itself was a violation of “posse comitatus”–the prohibition on the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    As most whites were (and still are) law-abiding, they (we) were “steamrollered” by the use of federal troops to crush honest dissent. We never recovered from those unconstitutional actions. It was all downhill from there…

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @jack daniels
  33. @FactChecker

    Yes, we to often stop on a charlet where we feel convenient instead of climbing the mountain and that “nice” old man – a lot of public inteletualls tbf – deliver us exactly that.

  34. @jbwilson24

    “His role is to deflect questions about responsibility onto vague analyses of power structures. Wall Street as a functional abstraction, rather than a set of businesses dominated by certain groups. ”
    This perspective is not just Chomsky’s — it is the Structuralist –> post structuralist –> post modernist & PC academic development from the 50’s to the naughties.
    The subtext — social sciences & humanities must try to emulate the sciences.
    I won’t say it was valueless — but, as you point out, pushed too far, it can can shroud rather than enlighten.
    A core problem: a failure to deal with personal agency, & thus, theories weighted towards amorality.
    (Amorality finds its place in political structure — when elites escape all responsibility (ie GFC) & average folk are ripped apart for trifles).

  35. @Wally

    “Please tell us what you think NS Germany did that was so bad.”
    A flawed Eastern strategy.
    They shouldn’t have been diverted by Italians into putting off Barbarosa.
    Should have ignored Moscow & settled on a Southern strategy. Oil.
    Should have moved to a full war economy far quicker.
    Is this the kind of thing you had in mind for “bad” ?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @The_seventh_shape
  36. @CamFree

    Thank you… you spared me a good 45 minutes of my time pointing out that Chomsky is a gatekeeper and therefore, a colossal sack of shit who should be hoisted upon a light pole after being doused in tar and set on fire.

    • Replies: @Alden
  37. @anarchyst

    “The “beginning of the end” of America was the use of federal troops against white Americans, which, in itself was a violation of posse comitatus, the prohibition on the use of federal troops for domestic law ”
    Re: posse comitatus.
    My understanding is that the National Guard is both a federal & a State institution. Is the use of the NG to deal with civil disturbances (ie mass crime) a means of “outflanking” the posse comitatus Act?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  38. WHAT says:
    @Just another serf

    >They defeated what has been acknowledged to be the finest military of the 20th century.
    As in Wehrmacht? Lolno, russians at Stalingrad and Kursk did it.
    Or as in US Army? Even more lolno, US Army couldn`t win anything after Korea. Such finest fighting farce.

    • Replies: @Rich
  39. Moi says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Chomsky supports Israel, which ethnically cleansed Palestine of the native people. His “pro-Palestinian” (sic) stance just masks his support for Israel.

  40. @vot tak

    Does he mention immigration in the documentary that, Kevin is referring to?

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
  41. @Just another serf

    Before this century jews weren’t doing so well for about 2000 years.

  42. G J T says:

    Chomsky is a leftist Jewish “intellectual.” What more really needs to be said?

  43. @Ghali

    Back in the long, dark, distant past, I s’pose but I take your point.

  44. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Has he been thus evasive in all his thoughtful writings as in this conversation?

    He is not evasive, he is dishonest. Avoiding any mention of the significant Jewish role in the myriad destructive changes that have occurred in the United States over the last fifty years– including the destruction of the middle class, the social and cultural disintegration of our society, uncontrolled immigration, and our endless and unjust wars– is his specialty. Given this glaring omission it is difficult to describe his writings as thoughtful.

    Plenty of blame to go around for sure but the Jewish contribution to these destructive changes is massive.

    How can anyone consider such a writer as a serious thinker? Coates, as worthless as he is, has more to offer than Chomsky.

    In a decaying civilization the intellectuals who are celebrated are almost certainly no damn good.

    Propagandist, yes. Thoughtful, no.

  45. @FactChecker

    … which is hypocritical of someone who also penned The Responsibility of Intellectuals (1967)
    https://chomsky.info/19670223/

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  46. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I don’t know enough about Chomsky to offer firm views, despite being aware of him for decades, However I did know the conservative intellectual Philip Rieff [good Trivial Pursuit question: who was Susan Sontag’s first husband? ……I got to know him when he was married to a charming Yankee lawyer]

    I think most of the (anti Chomsky) Comments are anachronistic. Very smart hard working Jews of their generation didn’t experience top universities as Jewish controlled in administration and dogma. They wanted to succeed in established terms.
    Indeed I would be interested to know about any early enthusiasm for Israel amongst the New York and Chicago Trotskyites who got “mugged by reality” and became the neocons. I have a feeling that they saw themselves as picking up a baton that WASPs had dropped which initially had little to do with supporting Israel, let alone New York’s finance capital .

    Even before someone got round to discovering that Spinoza – excommunicated Jew – had invented the Enlightenment the Jewish intellectuals were happy to be seen as creatures of the Enlightenment. Indeed Brooklyn born Gertrude Himmelfarb, wife of Irving Kristol, mother of William, who died last year at 97, was a leading historian of Victorian England and celebrater of its Enlightenment. Amongst the links which may help to get a feel for that generation of Jewish intellectuals, whether on the left or right or neither, I proffer the following;

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2020/04/himmelfarbs-enlightenment/

    https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/redeeming-the-enlightenment/

    https://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/the-idea-of-compassion-the-british-vs-the-french-enlightenment

    It is worth noting that Chomsky is in his 90s.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @James Forrestal
  47. > decision in the Citizens United case which framed financial donations to political campaigns by corporations and labor unions as free speech

    No, it did not.

    You need not read the case, but at least read the Wikipedia summary (which is actually quite good).

    Citizens United did not rule money is speech, or that corporations are people.

    And it struck down a blatantly unconstitutional law. Period.

    The hysterical reaction by corporate media to that case ought to suggest to you it’s true impact on (((their power))).

    Read the case.

    • Replies: @450.org
  48. @FactChecker

    “Lying” is a much over used word on UR. Why do you say he is lying about 9/11? What do you say proves one of the truthers’ conspiracy theories.*that he cannot honestly be uncertain about*?

  49. A billion guns and still waiting for a savior … how sad!

  50. @jbwilson24

    “The omnipresent Jewish fantasies of persecution at the hands of gentiles, carefully glossing over their own behavior.”

    Everyone has heard the word “Holocaust” but the numbers of those who have heard the word “Holodomor” could fit in an old VW Beetle. “Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone.”

  51. @Just another serf

    Unfortunately I think you’re right. Non-Jewish White people’s numbers are dwindling down. IQ is declining. Degeneracy and nihilism are increasing. The Jews have won. Non-Jews have lost.

    They are now introducing the concept of ‘philo-Semitism’ – ‘loving the Jew’, and the USA will be instrumental in spreading these ideas around the globe:

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/us-will-push-countries-to-love-their-jews-more-antisemitism-monitor-says-626936

    In the end it’s all about worshiping them and their fake god who is the embodiment of their own narcissism.

    It’s all about narcissism. Who loves himself more? Maybe the Whites don’t love themselves enough.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  52. @Kelso

    It’s precisely Chomsky’s nuanced doublespeak and willful obscuring of what should otherwise be clear cut positions on Jewish power in the US and the West, Israel and Palestinians that have led me to believe that Chomsky is a closet Zionist.

  53. Jim Crow says:

    Jewish destiny has always been inimical and contrary to the interests of European peoples.

  54. Rich says:
    @WHAT

    Another one, eh? The US won every major engagement with the NVA (the communists took the South 2 years after the US withdrew from the theater), the US military defeated the VC by 1969, the US military defeated several guerrilla insurgencies in Central America, not to mention small victories in Panama and Grenada. The US destroyed the Iraqi military in 2 separate wars and have kept the insurgents in the bush and out of power. The Taliban was forced from power in Afghanistan and now exist as guerrillas in the bush. The US empire has expanded up to the border of Russia, absorbing several former Soviet satellites in Eastern Europe. Pretty good for a military you say “couldn’t win anything “.

  55. @Ilya G Poimandres

    “It’s the policies sure – but what is the ideological basis for that consistent decision making?”

    It’s a good question, but I would argue its not an ideological basis but a psychological (i.e. mental and emotional) basis for their, calling it what it is, Jewish supremacism. So, I’ll attempt an answer:

    1. vis-à-vis Christians, its known as the oldest hatred. Jews (except Messianic Jews) don’t believe that Jesus was the Messiah and so live with the intergenerational anger at being wronged / disbelieved;

    2. they carry the intergenerational guilt for the killing of Jesus and other prophets, i.e., divinely inspired messengers. Because they have to expiate their guilt, they vainly attempt to do this through acquiring more and more worldly wealth or power. Why? Because wealth (and power) confers distinction on a person;

    3. their foundational myth of “God’s Chosen people” (but only according to their literature) is founded on beliefs in their:
    – permanence (e.g., the myth of “Jerusalem as our eternal capital” as Netanyahu often says), based on its national character, territory, institutions and its continuity over generations, and
    – their possession of a common ancestry, presented as a genealogy with a founding father, and hence, a nation;

    4. the consequences of their national myth can be self-defeating / risky in the following ways:
    – in having “a tendency to breed conflicts is inherent to typical nationalist myths”, Nationalism and Ethnic Conflict, Michael E. Brown, MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass., p. 67; or
    – overstating the threat to the nation posed by outside groups whilst ignoring the degree to which the nation’s own actions provoked the threats, Conflict Prevention From Rhetoric to Reality: Organizations and Institutions, Schnabel, A., Carment, D. (2004), Lexington Books, Lanham, MD, pp. 45, 46;

    5. another consequence of their national myth can serve as a survival mechanism by magnifying the cultural and historical distinctiveness, and its territory (e.g. “the Promised Land”).

    Any good psychologist worth their salt, would categorize the above more generally as compensation, i.e. making up for a perceived lack / inadequacy / inferiority within each individual who makes up the community. Its often joked, btw, that all Jewish mothers raise their sons to become ‘the Messiah’ – which sounds like an oversimplification – but it may account for Jewish males’ sense of insecurity (for which they are compelled to compensate) and their unhappiness – and may also explain why so many of them have a marked antipathy for their own mothers.

    And finally, on top of all that, is their concept of tikkun olam, which to some Jews is to not only bear responsibility for their own material, moral and spiritual behavior, but also for the wellbeing of society at large (compare “we are our brothers’ keeper”), for others its interpreted as “Jewish social justice” and for others, still, its “the establishment of Godly qualities throughout the world”

    So, any or all of the above, may serve as their self-justification.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  56. anarchyst says:
    @animalogic

    Eisenhower sent in the Army 101st Airborne, not a state National Guard unit. THAT, in itself was an abuse of “posse comitatus”.
    The National Guard is a state military unit, unless nationalized by presidential decree. The governor of each respective state can refuse to allow nationalization of Guard units.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  57. 450.org says:
    @John Thomas

    What it did do was legally legitimate the purchase of governance. Prior to, government was certainly being purchased, just in clever ways that obliquely skirted the law. Citizens United eliminated the need to skirt in the shadows. There’s no longer any reason to be clever. It’s brazen and in-your-face. Governance is for sale to the highest bidders and that is now the law. What a farce to call it Citizens United as if these cretins are citizens. They’re not citizens. They are scum. Like the scum with the Trump boat in Palm Beach claiming he had this virus and Hydroxychloroquine cured him. This guy is a fraud and this is a scam publicity stunt. How come no one is looking into this?

    https://www.wvnstv.com/community/health/coronavirus/covid-19-resources/exclusive-florida-family-of-four-fights-covid-19/

    All of this comes after a family trip to Aspen, Colorado at the beginning of March. Carlos and Laura went to a hotel restaurant, but little did they know, 10 people there were being quarantined due to COVID-19. Laura did not feel well when they got back and it did not take long for Carlos to fall sick, too.

    “This past Saturday the ambulance came and picked me up at the house because I was having chest pain and I’ve had a fever, this is day 11 at 101.5” Carlos Gavidia said.

    He is currently in contact with three doctors daily and taking malaria medicine, z-pack, and magnesium to help combat this virus. Carlos wants people to think about the older generation and how this can impact them.

    “I’ve had my mom completely quarantined for the last two weeks, if my son who didn’t have any symptoms, had gone and hugged her, it would be a death sentence for her,” Carlos Gavidia said.

    For Carlos, he just wants to get the word out that his is nothing to take lightly and people need to realize that.

    “Please take it serious, it’s brutal. I am 53, healthy, very active and it has put me on my knees, I can’t move,” Carlos Gavidia said.

    Peruvian White Trash

  58. 450.org says:

    Maybe the white nationalist militia men should put their machismo where their big slobbering mouths are and take their protest to Wall Street if it’s run by Jews as Kevin claims. Instead of targeting synagogues & schools & movie theaters & malls like the cowards they are.

    • Troll: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @RumpelstiltskinTheGoy
  59. @RumpelstiltskinTheGoy

    Unless you think of those huge Ultra Orthodox families as a kind of gene reserve for Jewish replenishment (some day in the future) Jewish fertility is decreasing as much as that of other white Americans. Average IQ is probably falling too.

  60. @450.org

    White nationalist militia men better get educated and become influential and powerful. Somebody has to be the ruling elite.

    • Replies: @Alden
  61. Jake says:

    Now this is true and cannot be overemphasized: Throughout European history down to the Soviet Union and post-World War II communist societies in Eastern Europe, Jews have always made alliances with ruling elites, often alien ruling elites and often in opposition to other sectors of the population.

    For that to happen, there must be an Elite that despises at least the majority of the non Elite over which it bestrides. In terms of Christian moral philosophy, that means that the radical Jew requires a Christian (or Mohammedan’ Elite that has embraced sin of pride in ancestry and/or wealth to the degree that total contempt and hatred for the lower orders of its own people – those it claims the right to rule – is defining. Only when an Elite is in that state of sin can it be easily used by Jewish radicals .

    The above means that when Jews prick up their ears and rush hard to be part of an Empire and rather quickly become the Elite’s bankers and tax collectors, etc, the Elite of that culture are totally decadent and deserve being replaced. When Jews embrace a particular set of outward characteristics of a European culture, it means that they are confident that the Elites of that culture despise their own non-nobility and that the dominate culture is fully amenable to Jewish manipulation.

    The white/European culture that Jews have embraced the most deeply and for by far the longest time and for the most gain – by a wide margin – is English Protestant: WASP.

    That means, first, that WASP Elites have always despised the masses they rule, have always held utter contempt for the non-Elite peoples of the British Isles. It then means that all non-Elite whites who promote, support, even just accept, WASP culture as being theirs are supporting their own ongoing dispossession right into a state of PostModern Globalist Corporatism serfdom.

    It also means that we should spend time recognizing white/European cultures that Jews have not embraced, which means they have not seen them as conducive to Jewish desires to feast on the non-Elites of that ethnos/nation/empire.

    Russia comes to mind. Even in 1900, the vast majority of Jews in the Russian Empire were fluent in Yiddish (which is German very slightly Semitized by and for Jews) and wrote Yiddish better than they wrote Russian. Jewish radicals in the Russian Empire’s final century invariably promoted England, USA, and Germany as the nations that they saw as best for Jews.

    On the other side of that coin, and reinforcing the point, most individual Jews who oppose the activities of predatory Jews have a strong tendency to exhibit respect, even preference, for Russian culture. That does not mean they romanticize the Russian Empire, but they seem to feel that Russian culture itself is conducive to Jews avoiding predatory activities, to Jews being truly good citizens and neighbors even when they do not genuinely convert to historic Christianity.

    Jewish radicals are universally at home in the Anglosphere. English replaced Yiddish as the universal Jewish language after WW2. From archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell until today, WASP Elites acting to suppress, uproot, cultural destroy, their own ‘white trash’ has always been linked to the rise of Jews, specifically Jewish bankers, as first trusted servant allies of WASP Elites and eventually as full partners of WASP Elites.

    You cannot separate the Jewish problem from the WASP problem. More broadly, as Yiddish spoken and written from Paris to Rome to Amsterdam to London to Zurich and Geneva to Warsaw to Krakow to Kiev to St. Petersburg to Odessa to Moscow to New York, you cannot separate the Jewish problem from the problem of post-Reformation Germanic culture. Post-Reformation Germanic cultures, and most specifically Anglo-Saxon, have been the perfect hosts for Jewish radicalism, for Jewish machinations to destroy conservative white Christian cultures.

  62. @Morton's toes

    That response to the FR question nails it — I also noticed it with his response once to a 9/11 question; at that point definitely I understood Cambridge culture much better. He signals the virtue, and he calculates 1000 micro-political tactical factors a second; otherwise he tries to live up to his self-image (in many respects deserved) of sage.
    Anyways and nevertheless, on the limited hangouts, Chomsky is quality. The natural philosophy likewise, superb.

  63. Everybody holds Chomsky in contempt. Some of the most meticulous dissections of his crap come from the actual left.

    https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/passing-noam-on-my-way-out-part-1/

    ohtarzie can’t pet a dog without getting into a shrill hysterical OCD argument with it, which makes his enmity extra fun.

    Chomsky’s final descent in CIA hack hell was his hissy fit at being asked to think about the ridiculous 911 official line, and his vengeful finger-wagging at Aaron Swartz. Phony fuck. You can never get a COVID-19 virus when you need one.

  64. Art says:

    All that changed, beginning with what Chomsky calls the “significant democratization” of the 1960s—the Civil Rights movement, feminism, and environmentalism. In my writing, both in The Culture of Critique and Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition, I regard the 1960s as a watershed, transformative decade, marking the rise of a new Jewish-dominated left-of-center elite based on power in media and the academic world.

    The Jew left made their move in the sixties – but so did the Jew right.

    William F Buckley Jr. invited the neocon Jews into the conservative movement – this turned out to be a disaster for America, equal to what the Jew left has done.

    • Replies: @Hegar
  65. Alden says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Chomsky’s just one more old Jewish revolutionary. When he was born Jew communists were still trying to take over the labor unions, use them to overturn the government and establish a soviet style Jewish commie dictatorship.

    Didn’t work, WW2 was a distraction, so after WE2 Jew commies found blacks much more amenable to being used as a revolutionary mob.

    He slithered into MIT and invented the nonsense of linguistics so as to have a facade of science and technology as a front for his Marxist revolution kill Whitey writings. Presumably the party thought one more commie Jew liberal arts professor at Columbia or Harvard would be just another run of the mill Marxist MLK worshipping Jew.

    But a professor of some bizarro kind of science at MIT, well thats something different. Maybe people will listen to him. He’s just another goyim hating old commie Jew who followed the party line till the Soviet Union collapsed and was looted by a younger generation of Jews.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. Alden says:
    @Kelso

    Thanks, I’ll order The Kingdom of Speech today.

  67. Saggy says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    There’s some way to reverse this?

    The Jews have an Achilles heel, the holohoax. Listen to how Chomsky defends it ….

    “Going back years, I am absolutely certain that I’ve taken far more extreme postitions on people who deny the Holocaust than you have. For example, you go back to my earliest articles and you will find that I say that even to enter into the arena of debate on the question of whether the Nazis carried out such atrocities is already to lose one’s humanity. So I don’t even think you ought to discuss the issue if you want my opinion. But if anybody wants to refute Faurisson there’s certainly no difficulty in doing so.”

    “The Holocaust was the most extreme atrocity in human history, and we lose our humanity if we are even willing to enter the arena of debate with those who seek to deny or underplay Nazi crimes.”

    “By entering into the arena of argument and counterargument, of technical feasibility and tactics, of footnotes and citations, by accepting the presumption of legitimacy of debate on certain issues, one has already lost one’s humanity.”

    “I described the Holocaust years ago as the most fantastic outburst of insanity in human history, so much so that if we even agree to discuss the matter we demean ourselves.”

    So, to attack Jewish domination of the US we must expose the holohoax. Give me 100 people and 100 signs and I’ll do it, by assigning each one to picket one of the holohoax museums across the US.

    The only way to defeat the Jews and reclaim our honor is the expose the holohoax.

  68. Jake says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, Jews took to fitting in with WASP culture and promoting it like ducks to water.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  69. Alden says:
    @RumpelstiltskinTheGoy

    They never existed.

    Every 10 man White militia unit consisted of 2 FBI agents, 2 ATF agents, 2 ADL agents. 2 $PLC agents 1 agent of the civil rights for all but Whites division of the DOJ and 1 White man who lived in the local home for the developmentally disabled

  70. Wally says:
    @animalogic

    said:
    “Is this the kind of thing you had in mind for “bad” ?”

    – It’s not what I had in mind, its what Colin Wright had in mind.
    And WWII mistakes (hindsight) were not it.

    – Note that Colin Wright dodged my question. So …

    – Seriously? As if the ‘Allies’ didn’t make mistakes. At top of he list was the mistake of GB & France declaring war on Germany, but not on the USSR who invaded and took 60% of Poland.

    Please do better next time.

    • Agree: Hegar
    • Replies: @animalogic
  71. @Rich

    The US has never fought a war against an enemy that came close to matching it in military strength.

  72. anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    After the first couple books, Chomsky just wrote the same one over and over. That’s because Ed Herman was the brains of the outfit. Herman never knuckled under like Chomsky.

  73. I regard Chomsky in the same way I view certain theologians. Max King and Meredith Kline come to mind. Capable of valuable insights but prone to serious blunders due to shaky presuppositions.

  74. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    One has to be clear about this. Israel isn’t like the rest of us, flawed, but muddling along.

    She isn’t to be tolerated. She’s an abomination, and it’s the moral responsibility of every American to — at a minimum — end our connection with that horror.

    A perfect example of when “criticism” of Israel becomes exterminationist anti-Semitic rhetoric.

    There you have it folks. No one says rational, balanced criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic – but as you can see, this is a very different animal indeed.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  75. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    said:
    “The only way to defeat the Jews and reclaim our honor is the expose the holohoax.”

    – Exactly, the only way.

    – And notice the commenters here, who know the “holocaust” narrative is a fraud, but are so paralyzed & conditioned that they don’t even mention it in discussing the horrors of Zionist power.

    • Agree: Hegar
  76. jsigur says:

    I loved Chomsky till I became Jew-wise and realized he was a gatekeeper

    • Agree: Hegar
  77. Hegar says:

    Indeed, people like Chomsky are false revolutionaries. He pretends that the 1960s counter-culture was a great thing and everything bad came from right-wing “capitalists” after it.

    The fact is leftist Jews control Hollywood and the media, and created the “counter-culture”, which would never have existed without them. They also manipulated politics so that Jews were favored by government contracts and laws, and of course Jews on Wall Street always favored each other. These are leftists.

    Business owners have historically always been the most nationalistic – as Orwell noted, “for all their talk about the workers, the fascist parties derive most of their support from the higher classes”. What we have seen is the takeover of the boardrooms by the Left. Those who don’t want to go along with their agenda are forced to, as the media will otherwise target them. And there won’t be any government contracts. And no contracts from anyone close to either of the two political parties – they are too afraid.

    Opening the borders has always been a Social Democrat and communist strategy to import voters. And to export jobs to non-Whites, to impoverish the West, the better to anger the workers and get their support for “revolution”. Then we have frauds blaming the Right for outsourcing. If it is possible for U.S. businesses to outsource manufacturing to Mexico, India and China, then some always will – especially parties with Jewish board members. And everyone else is forced to follow, or be outcompeted. Same in Europe with outsourcing to low-wage East European nations, while flooding Western Europe with their unemployed. This has always been the leftist two-pronged plan.

    Yet we have Marxists like Eric Striker, who writes for Unz Review, pretending that it’s “the right-wing capitalists!!!” who are behind outsourcing and immigration. His goal is to fool teenagers who come in contact with the alt-Right, and make them move over to the West. He has praised the DSA, and it seems his dream is that the teens will enter that organization and other Marxist clubs like it, and push for their policies but coupled with opposing immigration.

    It’s ridiculous, and it requires massive lying about both the Left and the Right. Notably, Eric Striker and the others at “Fash the Nation” etc never use the word cuckservative. It was a word we used in 2015 and onward for fake conservatives – those who support immigration. Eric Striker doesn’t use the word, because he wants the kiddies to think support of immigration is the real conservative stance, while opposing it is the “real” socialist stance.

    “Bernie Sanders used to criticize immigration!” (When everyone else did so – including Obama and Hillary Clinton, but he can’t mention that. Then it’d be too obvious that it’s just throw-away comments meant to woo the voters in those decades.)

    “Look at the Koch brothers, they want immigration!” (Koch brothers, educated in Left-owned universities where Jews write the sociology textbooks, watching Jew-owned media. Congrats, you found one example to use.)

    Dr. William Pierce showed how the leftist Jews in the media control elections, and thereby the political parties and their policies. Certain leftist infiltrators on our side want us to forget that. It’s time people start educating themselves again.

    • Replies: @sarz
  78. jsigur says:
    @CamFree

    Quote – And he perpetrates his own “lesser of two evils” defense of an old, collapsing Establishment with his classic quote: “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

    The debate over Iran nukes that occurred before I became Jew-wise, literally revealed how the appearance of free speech is sold for what was not allowed to be discussed was the obvious statement of fact that every country has a duty to protect themselves from the belligerence of others and if that means getting nukes to keep up, go for it!
    No one was allowed to discuss that option seriously and it seems that subconsciously most Americans believe in the US right to tell weaker countries what they can or can not do. They do that by selling America as uniquely good who simply wants all in the world to have human rights. Any idiot can observing what is occurring and know all that to be a lie thus the need to brainwash the citizenry with these sentiments from cradle to grave to make skeptical critical thinking less likely

    Of course all this is a Jewish charade with countries playing in the prime time arena for the populace to watch while the Jew masters of ceremony is all but ignored with the help of the PA system that makes sure not to mention them thus leaving them free to plan and cause more mayhem which always leads to more wealth confiscation for them and less remaining wealth for us.

  79. Ah yes the Almighty Jew——Mass. College Professor: White Males Are A Cancer And Must Die, Urges Students To Kill Themselves
    Upon retiring, Massachusetts College Professor and liberal Noel Ignatiev gave a ranting speech in which he lambasted white males as the cancer of the world:

    “If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing…..

    Obviously, all whites need to be destroyed, but why not start with white males? If you are a thoughtful person, with a social consciousness who considers himself white, you will consider suicide.”
    “If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!” Professor Noel Ignatiev, a tenured professor at Massachusetts College loudly proclaimed to his class last Monday, his final teaching day before retirement.

    The good Professor’s sound and reasonable words resonate with every enlightened and progressive mind. They are indisputable and no one can debate them. They should not be controversial in the slightest, yet remarkably a few far-right extremists object to Prof. Ignatiev’s advice. The Professor however, reported receiving “a standing ovation” from his “largely white and middle class students.” Prof. Ignatiev’s critics say that openly calling for students, even if they are white males, to kill themselves was inappropriate and perhaps excessive. In this article, we will look at the other side of the issue.

    Fortunately, I was able to arrange a telephone interview with the professor. I felt he deserved a chance to tell his side of the story. A side that our radical and racist far-right media refuse to report. The transcript of our dialogue follows below:

    [MORE]

    Ivan Fernando: I want to thank you for agreeing to this interview. It’s a pleasure to be able to talk to an esteemed academic of your calibre and impressive credentials.

    Prof. Ignatiev: Thank you. I am happy to talk with you today.

    Ivan Fernando: I understand that a few people objected to your advice to your white male students on your last day of teaching. Why do you think that is?

    Prof. Ignatiev: I chalk it all up to white supremacist attitudes. The goal of destroying the white race is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it. Those who object to my advice, knowingly or perhaps unknowingly, are themselves white supremacists. They wish to go on oppressing and exploiting other races and maintaining their own privileged positions of power. That is the conscious and sometimes subconscious motivation of all of my critics. That is why they object to destroying the cancer of humanity known as the white race. That ugly disease, which dares to call itself a people and a culture.

    Ivan Fernando: All whites, or just white males should commit suicide?

    Prof. Ignatiev: Obviously, all whites need to be destroyed, but why not start with white males? They are behind most of history’s greatest atrocities. Besides, some of the brothers like to bang white women. Eventually white women can breed out, but my feeling is that if you are a white male, you should kill yourself now. If you are a thoughtful person, with a social consciousness who considers himself white, you will consider suicide. It’s the right thing to do. Let me read you an e-mail that I received today from a xenophobic white-supremacist.

    “I’m not a racist, in fact I am an avowed anti-racist, I just think calling for all white males to kill themselves is extreme. When you say that every white person is bad or advocate violence against them, it sounds almost as though you are becoming a kind of racist yourself. You say it is good for everyone to be proud of their culture. Blacks, Mexicans and everyone else. Why should whites be the only exception? For the sake of argument, supposing whites have wronged many other races historically. Should we punish people today for their ancestor’s sins? Today minorities have affirmative action and generous social welfare programs to protect them. Can we really say that most whites are racist now or that the government is? Should Blacks who descend from Blacks who owned or sold slaves feel guilty and be punished for ancestral wrongs?”

    Ivan Fernando: Wow. (laughter)

    Prof. Ignatiev: I know, mind boggling. What an absurd and irrational line of reasoning. They just throw logic out the window entirely. It’s impossible to dialogue with these people. Notice the blind and irrational hatred behind every word! No one has committed violence, genocide and dispossession on the level of white males. The whole purpose of white male culture is to perpetuate their privileged status and continue their oppression of non-whites. Whites don’t have a culture like other races in which traditions and customs are preserved as an expression of a common identity. White culture is an entirely economic and social culture which is about shutting out other people deemed “non-white” as a means of preventing their social and economic advancement! In other words all of ‘white culture’ so-called, stems from hatred of the other, unlike other ethnicities which do have cultures. White people are a disease, they are parasites! They don’t deserve to live!

    Ivan Fernando: Yes, Absolutely, could you give us some examples though for our readers, regarding the racist nature of white culture.

    Prof. Ignatiev: Columbus Day, whites literally celebrate the genocide of non-whites, delighting in it. Thanksgiving Day. Whites honour the Pilgrims who gave Native Americans blankets deliberately infected with small pox to kill their babies. Yeah, it is about being thankful, thankful that whites butchered most Native Americans so they could steal their land and establish a racist society based on white male privilege! Christmas is also racist. Should I go on?

    Ivan Fernando: Please do.

    Prof. Ignatiev: The idea of celebrating the birth of a middle eastern Semite, yet portraying him as a Nordic white person in visual art is not only racist, but obscene and Anti-Semitic! Of course there is Santa Claus as well. Who is he? A bearded old white man! He lives at the North Pole, it doesn’t get whiter than that! Who works for Santa? Of course elves, diminutive, perhaps slightly brown people, with pointed ears who have been enslaved by a privileged white male. Christmas and white culture disgust me. I hate this time of year so much. I hate going outside and seeing Christmas trees or Christmas lights. They should be banned! A Christmas tree is just one notch above a burning cross in my opinion!

    Ivan Fernando: What do you suggest that people do for the holidays. Especially, minority families who may feel pressured to celebrate Christmas, or other European racist holidays? Is there an alternative?

    Prof Ignatiev: A great Black Professor in the 60′s came up with Kwanza, a way to celebrate African heritage. Hopefully a Mexican-American equivalent will soon be developed as another Christmas alternative.

    Ivan Fernando: I am sorry, but we are starting to run low on time. Let me ask you, have you suffered any attacks personally, or received any threats for your advice to your students during your final class?

    Prof. Ignatiev: (laughter) No. I haven’t. In fact all the responses I have received, except for a few e-mails have been positive. I feel vindicated. Perhaps we are finally coming to an awareness in this country that the cancer known as the white race must be obliterated. Especially in the form of white males. Obama is president, and I think there is an excellent chance that we will never have a white male president again. I think we are witnessing the breaking of the back of the white male power structure. We will still have residual white males that must be dealt with, but I am confident that we’ve won. Eventually, I would like to put white males in concentration camps and work them to death just like they’ve done to everyone else. When they are all dead we can throw a party and dance around their corpses!

    Ivan Fernando: I certainly hope so. I hope you are right. If so it is the dawning of a new era of peace and progress. I apologize Professor, but we are out of time now. Thank you again, and it was a pleasure speaking with you.

    Prof Ignatiev. The pleasure was mine. Thank you Ivan. I love Diversity Chronicle by the way, I recommended it to all my students. Keep up the good work!

    Ivan Fernando: You are very kind Prof. Ignatiev. Thank you again and Good night.

    Prof. Ignatiev: Good Night.

    • Replies: @S
    , @Miro23
  80. Hegar says:
    @Art

    “William F Buckley Jr. invited the neocon Jews into the conservative movement – this turned out to be a disaster for America, equal to what the Jew left has done.”

    The neocons are Left. They were trotskyites because Stalin had purged Trotsky and other prominent Jews, along with many others, while keeping the Jews loyal to him. They simply went to the Right because there they could find more support for Israel. Since the Right wouldn’t automatically take the more dark-skinned people’s side. And the Right, hammered by leftist media, was desperate to have non-White members. “Look, these are Jews! The most precious group there is! Now no one can call us racist!”

    But I digress. Again. The neocons were leftists who were simply pro-Israel and anti-Soviet Union. Everything else was leftist. Though their publications would throw Whites a bone by publishing something about guns or abortion, knowing these issues don’t matter when mass immigration swamps the country.

    • Replies: @Art
  81. Art says:
    @Hegar

    But I digress. Again. The neocons were leftists who were simply pro-Israel and anti-Soviet Union. Everything else was leftist. Though their publications would throw Whites a bone by publishing something about guns or abortion, knowing these issues don’t matter when mass immigration swamps the country.

    Yes – the neocon Jews lied and it worked. Just look at the Republican party these day — it is disgusting – they cannot give the Jews and Israel enough.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  82. @Rich

    The Taliban was forced from power in Afghanistan and now exist as guerrillas in the bush

    A superpower looking for a face-saving exit strategy by signing a peace deal with flip flop clad guerillas in the bush? Hmmm.
    By the way which bush are you referring to in Afghanistan?

    Yes, and we beat the shit out of those Vietnamese, that’s why we cut and ran.

    • Troll: Anon242
  83. Screw your left right center and up down politics. I never trusted this deeply poisonous Chompsky. I never wanted to count the angels dancing on a pin point (not on s pin head) and once I realised Chompsy wanted us to dance on the pin point, all I wanted to do was kick his ass.
    Just the knowledge that he’s Jewish made me sour in my opinion and today I’m being proved right.
    I spent a lifetime being a Bob Dylan fan and today I realise anyone can write such bullshit stream of consciousness and all you need are fluffers to make you famous. .

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  84. anarchyst says:
    @Saggy

    One cannot counter the holohoax head-on.

    Doing so is not only too abrupt, but prevents people from thinking “outside the box” and (mistakenly) “offends their sensibilities” or “disrespects the dead”.

    Most people think that “it must be true” as “the big lie” has been disseminated and “set in stone” for the last seventy-years or so.

    The way to promote TRUTH about the holohoax is to use an oblique approach.

    [MORE]

    Rather than stating that the holocaust™ is a hoax of massive proportion, possibly the greatest hoax in modern history, exposing peripheral claims is the way to go.

    Flyers exposing the holocaust™ con directly go nowhere because most people will not take them seriously or take the time to do the research themselves.

    Posting flyers with photos of Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer, Sylvia Stolz, and Ernst Zundel with the simple caption “Why were these elderly people imprisoned?” along with a website URL will pique the interest of almost everybody. The “hook” is then set. Pass these flyers out in front of the various jewish “freak shows” called holocaust™ museums.

    Another tactic to use is to expose the types of “death machines” that are claimed to have been used by “thenaziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews”. From “lampshades, soap, and shrunken heads (oh my)” to “jewish blood spurting out of the ground for weeks and months” to the “masturbation machines” and “electric floors”, all of these claims are easily debunked.

    A good method to use on those who are engineering and scientific types is to use basic scientific principles to bolster the impossibilitiy of “gas chambers” without ventilation systems or “gas-tight doors” (that swing the wrong way making retrieval of the bodies impossible), to the “size” of the “gas chambers” which will demolish claims as to the quantity of people “gassed” at one time.

    Not only “gas chambers”, but crematoria which are designed to burn cleanly and emit no flames. Claims that flames shot out of the smokestacks are demonstrably false, as well as the claims that multiple bodies could be cremated in one “muffle” in 15 minutes without downtime for maintenance.

    Germans were and still are excellent engineers, but still cannot refute the laws of physics.

    The key is the use the holocaust™ promoters own absurdities and false claims against them.

    We can win this one. The TRUTH must prevail.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Saggy
  85. Paul says:

    Some people on the alt-right seem to have a problem with the behavior of Jewish capitalists but not to have much of a problem with the behavior of gentile capitalists.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  86. Hibernian says:
    @Rich

    The Taliban was forced from power in Afghanistan and now exist as guerrillas in the bush.

    This is delusional.

    • Replies: @Rich
  87. Rurik says:

    the Democratic Party, formerly the bastion of labor unions, has become the party of diversity, [anti-white, genocidal hatred] embodying all the themes of the 1960s counter-cultural revolution and ignoring the interests of their White working-class constituents,

    [my comment in bold]

    If only they were “ignoring” white interests.

    Nothing on this planet drives them to apoplectic fits of murderous fury than a hamlet somewhere of happy, well-adjusted white people thriving and prospering and persevering.

    If they could but ignore such hamlets and people, the world would be a very different place.

    But they can’t.

    Israel (and Africa for that matter), could be Shangri-La’s (and Wakandas respectively), with every blessing imaginable on this earth and beyond, and they’d still nevertheless expend all their energy doing all they could to fuck up other people’s lives. Especially white peoples and especially Germans and other blond-type of blue-eyed white people that drive them insane with genocidal envy.

    What good is it having everything you could possibly want in this world, (as is the case with so many hatred-consumed Jewish supremacists like Steven Spielberg or Barbara Streisand and so many wealthy and powerful Jews), when all you do is writhe in your bile because somewhere, somehow there’s a white family living happily and contentedly and raising children on a farm or village, without a POC to harass their daughters or a homo to harass their sons- in sight.

    You could have all the gold in the world, and all the pleasures and perks this world could offer, and yet they’d seethe with rabid hatred over the knowledge of a happy goyim somewhere.

    Such is the curse of being a Jewish supremacist, both for them, and the rest of us.

    (and 9/11 apologist Chomsky is no different)

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  88. @Saggy

    I’ve never seen any credible questions raised about the integrity of Dr. Alan Sabrosky. The man is very clear about Israeli involvement in 9/11.

    Why waste words on the holocaust when the atrocities of 9/11 are so much fresher in the public’s psyche. Strikes me as a far more fruitful path in educating the masses. Demonstrating that something didn’t happen 75 years ago is quite a bit more challenging than proving something did occur 20 years ago.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Saggy
  89. Dutch Boy says:

    Chomsky’s nostalgia for the 50s (and such nostalgia in general) is based on the fact that the 50s were the years when the USA came closest to providing a living wage for the average working class Joe. This situation was intolerable for the capitalists, since capitalism is based on maximizing profits by reducing costs (labor being the principal cost). The opening of the American economy to sweat-shop produced goods from overseas was the capitalists coup de main against the American working class. The only definitive solution to this problem is an economic system in which those who work have the principal say in economic decisions, not just an ownership class. Capitalism cannot be such a system and Socialism vested such decisions in a bureaucratic class, not the workers.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  90. Hibernian says:
    @anarchyst

    The governor of each respective state can refuse to allow nationalization of Guard units.

    From Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

    The Congress shall have Power…

    … To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections, and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States…

    From Article II Section 2:

    The President shall be Commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual service of the United States…

    The Defense Department also can control the National guard through the power of the purse; many armories are federal property and weapons, office furniture, and other goods are supplied by Uncle Sam. In the ’80s, governors with their own foreign policy went to the courts to prevent their troops from being sent to central America for training; they didn’t get very far.

  91. Cyrano says:

    One of the biggest problem that the Jews have is that they can’t never be an opposition to an official government policies. They are condemned to be “Yes” men forever.

    It’s pretty simple, imagine you are a Jewish person – who immigrated to the west at some point – whether that being the middle ages or the industrial age. Upon arriving, you notice a society not being run the proper way. What do you do? Do you voice an opposition – end result of which is you won’t accomplish anything, you might get yourself killed or at least thrown out of the country.

    The inability of the Jews to compromise on their identity – religious and ethnic – by allowing themselves to be assimilated, gives them no other option but to be always, always in agreement with the policies set by the elites.

    I have no doubt in my mind that if the Jews were not the primary target of the genocidal Nazi policies, they would have made some of the most enthusiastic Nazis ever, cheerfully marching into the Soviet Union to set those commies straight.

    I believe that a lot of Jews resent the policies that they are forced to agree with, but they have no other option except to agree and try to take advantage of those same policies that they don’t agree with, for some extra personal benefit. It’s not pretty, but it’s not their fault. The fault lies with the ones who design those policies, not with the most enthusiastic cheerleaders for the establishment(s) – the Jews.

  92. Rich says:
    @Hibernian

    I must’ve missed something, are the Taliban still in power? Do they control Kabul, or any sizable chunk of land? Or are they hidden in the bush, coming out at night, or using suicide attacks? Come on, do you really believe the Taliban is still in power in Afghanistan? They are simply a guerrilla army, that has a large minority of supporters in the countryside. There is a sizable number of Afghans who dread the day the US leaves and the medievalists come back to power. This is just fact and doesn’t represent my opinion of whether American troops should be in the country.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Hibernian
  93. Alden says:
    @old smokey

    Absolutely right that Chomsky is a lying sack of shit. Great minds, ( yours and mine) think alike.

  94. S says:
    @Saggy

    Making negative and demonizing accusations against a declared enemy is a very effective (though ultimately, quite destructive and unhealthy) way of controlling one’s own people through fear and terrorization. A powerful secondary purpose of the accusations is to suppress an accused foe through the misplaced weaponization of guilt and shame.

    [MORE]

    Towards the end of the US Civil War, and for decades after, Southerners of the US were accused of the planned systematic mass murder of Union POW’s in ‘the camps’ through their deliberate starvation. Humaniatarian health measures put in place to preserve the lives and well being of the Union prisoners, such as vaccination against disease, were turned upon their head, and claimed instead to have been in reality cleverly disguised ‘poisonous injections’ with which to murder great numbers of the men.

    With great emotion, these accusations about the Southern camps also included: ‘cattle cars’, the manufacture of leather wallets made from the human skin of ‘murdered’ Union prisoners, and that the camps were said to be ‘slaughter pens’ (a 19th century term for slaughter house), ie places specifically designed so that living beings enter, but that none leave alive. The cry ‘never forget’ would be the phrase used in Northern song about the camps in the years after the war.

    Of all the South’s camps, Andersonville got the most attention.

    The talk about the South’s ‘camps’ and ‘cattle cars’, etc, went on for decades after 1865, and then, for whatever reason, largely ceased by about 1900.

    [Of course, the accusations were not true, and since that time, it is now known that both the North and South had comparable death rates within their respective prisoner of war camps.]

    In October, 1870, the then hugely influential Boston based Atlantic Monthly (now simply The Atlantic), had a lengthy article (excerpted below) which specifically referenced the South’s Andersonville.

    The article was written by James Parton and was entitled ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’.

    In more modern English the title would read ‘Our Jewish Brothers’.

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries, the huge Andersonville outrages, few readers need to be reminded.’

    The Atlantic Monthly (Oct, 1870) – Our Israelitish Brethren

    ‘Who can estimate the reparation which Christendom owes this interesting and unoffending people? How abundant, how untiring, should be our charity in judging the faults of character which our own superstition has created or developed!’

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded. In the slaughter of the Jews of Seville, in 1391, thirty-five hundred families were murdered. In 1492, under Ferdinand and Isabella, three hundred thousand heroic Israelites preferred exile to apostasy. Many of them found a resting-place only in the grave or in the depths of the sea; for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions, and who, by their frugality, continence, temperance, and industry, absorbed the wealth of every country in which they lived.’

    (cont.)

    ‘Those who remained in the Peninsula suffered baptism, and were obliged to conform to the outward observances of the reigning church. Far more enviable was the lot of those who had accepted banishment. The favorite office of the Spanish Inquisition for two centuries was to “question” the sincerity of those two hundred thousand Jewish converts; and the national amusement was to witness the burning of Jewish Rabbis and Jewish maidens. Similar atrocities were committed, as we all know, in England, Germany, and France.’

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1870/10/our-israelitish-brethren/306257/

    • Replies: @Saggy
  95. Cyrano says:
    @Rich

    Or are they hidden in the bush

    Of course they are, they are scared witless of the mighty US army. You know how much bravery it takes to bomb empty hillsides with B-52’s? The poor Taliban are probably still scared to come out of their caves. You know why I think the Americans are still there? I think they could have finished them way back in 2001. They are there for almost 20 years now, because they want to torture the Talibans, to taunt them and the ultimate goal is to instill a long term PTSD in them. That’s why they are there for so long. Once they leave, the Taliban – ravaged by PTSD will be unable to resume their illustrious corporate careers.

    • Replies: @Poco
  96. Hibernian says:
    @Rich

    There is a sizable number of Afghans who dread the day the US leaves and the medievalists come back to power.

    So the government in Kabul can’t sustain itself after we leave. Seems that the Taliban have a lot of power if its inevitable they’ll take power immediately once we leave. We’ve been there for 18 years.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  97. @Jake

    I know you say that critically but I have been known to agree literally by observing that some of the best examples of the rightly esteemed “English gentleman” were Jews. I meant, without intending to be taken too seriously, that they tended to add a few IQ points to the ideals of good manners and sense of duty.

  98. It seems to me you (and many throughout history, including some very prominent people) are very anti-Semitic. What did Jews do to you, exactly?

  99. fish says:
    @AaronB

    No one says rational, balanced criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic……

    ????

    I guess you’ve just been absent for the past 75 years.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  100. mcohen says:

    anyone read “failed states” by chomsky.how about you macdonald.

  101. Alden says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Chomsky may or may not be pro Palestinian. The most important thing about him is that he is viciously anti White goyim.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  102. @CamFree

    “A study of Chomsky’s stands on particularly dreadful actions such as JFK’s assassination, 9/11, and with regard to the roles of the CIA and FBI, shows Chomsky to be a de facto defender of the status quo’s most egregious outrages and their covert agency engines.”

    Very much true. I would add to the list his absolving the Israel Lobby from any responsibility towards the disastrous war against Iraq choosing instead to pin the blame major oil companies.

    For the genius that he is, Chomsky sometimes fails to discover that two plus two equals four. A meticulous researcher who endorses the establishment’s most egregious lies. Someone described Chomsky as a very smart person with a weak soul.

    While many of his books were an inspiration for me, I have eventually thought of him as a liar by omission.

  103. Alden says:
    @Patagonia Man

    I managed to analyze economics and politics and figure out what was going on without the help of that phony Chomsky.

    Here’s my simple dumbkopf prole hillbilly deplorable method of analysis.

    1 Who benefits?
    2 Who is harmed?
    3 What is the result?

    4 This is the most important. Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do.

  104. Truth3 says:

    Chomsky has always been a complete fraud. Gatekeeper at best, complete tool of Zionism at the worst.

  105. vot tak says:
    @Futurethirdworlder

    That is not what mcdonald wrote, fanboi. He clearly lied and you know it. Funny how mcdonald has this energized defense cadre that operates on the web identically to the websayanim that defend zionazi-gay interests. Also odd the zionazi-gays have not organised any serious effort to get him fired like they did norman finkelstein. Very strange behaviour from those fanatical likudites to let mcdonald slide, but not finkelstein.

    • Troll: Futurethirdworlder
  106. @Patagonia Man

    Yes, certainly psychology plays a part. I didn’t get into 3, although exceptionalism and Chosenness is the antipode to a reaction to other.. (I would have gone on a much longer rant, and I have a weakness for those! 🙂 )

    What comes first – psychology or ideology? Certainly a faith follower, Jew or other, would say that their teachings fashion their mind, not the other way round. I tend to believe it is dependently originated, being a follower of Buddha. Certain minds don’t fit certain ideologies. I don’t believe I could ever join ISIS, or the KKK – I have lied in my life, but I have always been repulsed by force and violence. Could an idea turn me towards it? Stubborn as I am, the book of Job is a great tale of how any human can crack under circumstance, but it would take some doing imho..

    My mother keeps demanding I teach my 4 year old faith for example. She is Orthodox Christian, I follow Dhamma, which doesn’t help to some degree, but I keep repeating that faith is not a forced ideology – a person must ask themselves, and want answers, before you can give them your own world view, for them to chew over. In that sense, mind and psychology should come before ideology, but I would say often ideology is forced on an unprepared mind. My argument is that John the Baptist isn’t remembered for baptising infants! But for the faithful, this is a minority opinion. Ideas are pushed onto a mind, and the mind adjusts to the things pushed unto it for the most part of faithful society.

    Moving to Chosenness, the Buddhist scriptures advise against keeping bad company, I imagine most faiths do as well. But the law of status, Chosenness, offers the murderer equal rank to the sage imo. This is the greatest problem with 3. Sure there are the laws of action, and really how Jews treat other Jews is great – a worthy aspect of their faith, but there are no indictments of those that act against the other, even if they break the base commandments of the faith. It is as if all others are that famous insulting name of ‘cockroaches’ – removed from humanity, and not worthy of human consideration. But in this case, a person inclined to sage-hood would leave such a belief system, where they are equal to the murderer. The wise see intention as the nexus of human action (even legal systems put mens rea as key to criminal sentencing), and this nexus is not dependent on a belief system – all humans have access to intention.

    I see the faith as self selecting against the wise. The deluded – those that fall for the ritual, or unverifiable aspects of the faith, or the craven – who don’t really take part in the faith but use it for their gain, stay.

    An interesting comparison is Hinduism, because it also has a law of status through the cast system, and a law of action.. but the caste system differentiates between the in group, so I am still thinking about how it relates! 🙂 From devout Hindu friends, it seems that Brahmins on the average take advantage of the other castes to ‘print money’ and live a materialistic life, so there is not really much reaction to the ‘other other’ of non-Hindus, but the chosen are still craven on the whole – even if ‘learned’ in an intellectual sense.

    The problem of Chosenness manifests in an unwillingness to self reflect, that aspect of the ideology creates a psychological barrier to spiritual progress. I was engaged to someone with this block – not Chosenness but narcism, but same difference – it was.. trying! I imagine it as someone having an incredibly solidified notion of Self, and any external attempt to even chisel at that notion of Self as always being defended, and the criticism as always being rejected. An ‘over-active immune system’ as you state in 4. I was fortunate – I forced myself to self reflect in my early 20s when chasing romance, now I find those that avoid it insufferable!

    How Judaism moves forward? I don’t see a solution beyond the rebirth of Revelations (the ‘it happened in 70AD’ version) – I still live with my ex (we have a kid, coparent for his benefit), and when I point to her errors, I get the same reaction as when I point my 4 year old in a direction.. I say ‘look at your feet’, and he looks at the floor to the left of his feet, the floor to the right, the floor in front, behind his feet, and only last, does he look at his feet! As if there is some magnetism forcing the mind away from exactly where I directly point the mind to focus on. Without a doubt psychology, but for my ex it was fashioned by a life history, and that has become fairly ideological for her!

    (thanks for the peer reviewed stuff btw 🙂 )

  107. geokat62 says:
    @Dutch Boy

    The opening of the American economy to sweat-shop produced goods from overseas was the capitalists coup de main against the American working class.

    If that we’re the case, there should be ample evidence that various Chambers of Commerce from around the country lobbied heavily to overturn Johnson-Reed (1924 national-origins quota system). But there isn’t. What Prof. KMac demonstrated in his magnum opus, The Culture of Critique, is that Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) played the CENTRAL role in getting Hart-Celler passed in 1965 by Members of Knesset West (MKW). And they did it primarily to combat antisemitism by ensuring there was no longer a single ethnic group that would dominate society and unleash another pogrom. There was admittedly a financial benefit as well (lots of shekels flowing in), but this was a byproduct of the primary objective, not the primary objective, itself.

  108. @Rurik

    “…and they’d still nevertheless expend all their energy doing all they could to fuck up other people’s lives. Especially white peoples and especially Germans and other blond-type of blue-eyed white people that drive them insane with genocidal envy.”

    Why does darkness hate light? Because that is what it does, pretty much its ‘raison d’etre’. You call it envy, I call it an ingrained feeling of inferiority. The hatred of the envious transcends the White people to their wonderful art, especially the classics, with the destruction of Dresden and the promotion of Guggenheim modern art ( so called!) being the most obvious manifestation of nihilism disguised as justice and creativity.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  109. @Saggy

    That attitude to discussing the Holocaust is not uncommon amongst decent educated Westerners and fits I think with my suggesting elsewhere on this thread that Chomsky is in a way a man of his times. A new generation may tend, in the contrarian ways of younger generations, to respond to the call to counter Israeli wickedness as manifested in its cynical exploitation of the Holocaust. I haven’t any idea how older Jews of my acquaintance now regard the Holocaust but when I did have some iidea it was clear tha respectable educated Jews did believe the horror story, including the 6 million figure. As I have noted on other threads that figure can already be questioned, at least in Australia.

  110. Wally says:
    @Just another serf

    said:
    “Why waste words on the holocaust when the atrocities of 9/11 are so much fresher in the public’s psyche. Strikes me as a far more fruitful path in educating the masses. Demonstrating that something didn’t happen 75 years ago is quite a bit more challenging than proving something did occur 20 years ago.”

    – Wrong.

    – As has been demonstrated, both the impossible “holocaust” narrative and the 9/11 absurdity are easily debunked with basic science.

    – In fact, the fake “holocaust” narrative is what discourages people from speaking out about the Zionist / Israeli involvement in 9/11.

    ex.: Fingering Israel involvement in 9/11 results in being called a ‘Nazi’, which is only effective because of “holocaust” propaganda.

    – The fake “holocaust” is the great enabler of Zionist impunity from all it sordid affairs.
    The “holocaust” is their sword and their shield.

    • Agree: Truth3
  111. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Alden
    Simplest characterizations are oft best characterizations, and you made yours very simple indeed. Nice work.

  112. @AaronB

    ‘A perfect example of when “criticism” of Israel becomes exterminationist anti-Semitic rhetoric.

    There you have it folks. No one says rational, balanced criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic – but as you can see, this is a very different animal indeed.’

    So if — say — it was 1938, and you described Nazi Germany as an ‘abomination’ and called on Americans to end their support of it, that would be ‘exterminationist anti-Germanism’?

    Or am I missing something?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @AaronB
    , @anarchyst
  113. S says:
    @dindunuffins

    I checked out that Diversity Chronicles website. It’s a good spoof site of modern day so called ‘progressivism’. It’s so very close to how the self declared progressives and ‘enlightened’ actually do think, and the sarcasm so subtle, it’s really quite effective.

    Not the first time, of course.

    Miscegenation was published in 1864 and a lot of progressive sorts (and others) believed it. Yes, the progressives were around then, too, and called themselves by that name.

    https://archive.org/details/miscegenationthe00crol/page/n2/mode/2up

    https://daily.jstor.org/the-miscegenation-troll/

  114. Poco says:
    @Cyrano

    There’s funding for the pentagon in it. That’s why they are still there.

  115. geokat62 says:
    @Colin Wright

    So if — say — it was 1938…

    I’d go with a more precise date… something like, say, March 24, 1933:

  116. Saggy says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    We can win this one. The TRUTH must prevail.

    We can not and will not win by being anonymous and hiding behind our keyboards.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  117. Saggy says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    Why waste words on the holocaust

    Israel exists because of the holohoax. Without the holohoax there is no Israel, no war on terror, no 9/11, etc.

    If you don’t overturn the holohoax, Israel will prevail, as it is prevailing now.

  118. Saggy says: • Website
    @S

    Henry Wirz, the commander at Andersonville at the end of the war, was tried in a hoax trial and executed. You can read about it here ….
    https://www.holohoax101.org/wirz/
    Disease had ravaged the camp, the Confererate govt. had tried to negotiate prisoner swaps with the North but the North would have none of it. One of the Andersonville prisoners ….

  119. 450.org says:

    Chomsky made and excellent argument that Hitler was more moral than Bill Clinton. I would think many of you would love him for that. Ingrates. The logic he used for his argument was perfect. I agree with him. It’s irrefutable. No doubt he pissed off many a Jew for his bold transgression.

  120. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    If you called for the abolition of the Nazi regime, that would be fine.

    If you described the German nation as an abomination, and called for its elimination – not ok.

    By your logic, merely calling for the abolition of the Nazi regime is lukewarm reformist dilly dallying. We must understand it is the German nation that cannot be tolerated.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  121. anarchyst says:
    @Colin Wright

    Here is an excerpt from jewish author Theodore N. Kaufman’s book “Germany Must Perish”: This vile tome advocated the complete destruction of German culture, music, society, architecture, and everything German. In other words, total genocide of Germany and the German people.
    Germany has lost its war. She sues for peace. The imperative demands of the victor people that Germany must perish forever makes it obligatory for the leaders to select mass sterilization of the Germans as the best means of wiping them out permanently. They proceed to:

    1. Immediately and completely disarm the German army and have all armaments removed from German territory.

    2. Place all German utility and heavy industrial plants under heavy guard, and replace German workers by those of Allied nationality.

    3. Segregate the German army into groups, concentrate them in severely restricted areas, and summarily sterilize them.

    4. Organize the civilian population, both male and female, within territorial sectors, and effect their sterilization.

    5. Divide the German army (after its sterilization has been completed) into labor battalions, and allocate their services toward the rebuilding of those cities which they ruined.

    6. Partition Germany and apportion its lands. The accompanying map gives some idea of possible land adjustments which might be made in connection with Germany’s extinction.

    7. Restrict all German civilian travel beyond established borders until all sterilization has been completed.

    8. Compel the German population of the apportioned territories to learn the language of its area, and within one year to cease the publication of all books, newspapers and notices in the German language, as well as to restrict German-language broadcasts and discontinue the maintenance of German-language schools.

    9. Make one exception to an otherwise severely strict enforcement of total sterilization, by exempting from such treatment only those Germans whose relatives, being citizens of various victor nations, assume financial responsibility for their emigration and maintenance and moral responsibility for their actions.
    Thus, into an oblivion which she would have visited upon the world, exits Germany.

    Now if you were a German living at that time, what would you think about jews?

    • Thanks: Rurik
  122. Chomsky will have to live and die with the knowledge that he’s a traitor who caved to Israel after 911. Some older reports even named the compensation, $500,000, that both he and Amy Goodman pocketed, in return for never mentioning Israel’s connection to 911. $500k is loose change, pocket money, chicklets. I lost all respect for both, and I doubt they will earn it back in their life time. How cheaply they were bought is a joke.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  123. @Wally

    No worries Wally, I-will-do-better-next-time. (Just incidentally, I did realise “bad” referred to “morally” bad, that you were dangling a hook, for the other commentator to bite on — thus, your demand for examples. As if I don’t have a particle of knowledge of what Wally is about. )

  124. Saggy says: • Website

    This vile tome advocated the complete destruction of German culture, music, society, architecture, and everything German.

    This ‘vile tome’ is humane in comparison with the Old Testament, in which G– commands the Jews to invade Casnaan and destroy it totally, man, woman, child, and cattle, “everything that breathes”

    [MORE]

    Genesis 15:18
    On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:

    Deuteronomy 7:
    1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are aboutto enter and occupy, and he clears away many nations before you — the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations mightier and more numerous than you — 2 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you and you defeat them, then you must utterly destroy them. Make no covenant with them and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, 4 for that would turn away your children from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. 5 But this is how you must deal with them: break down their altars, smash their pillars, hew down their sacred poles, and burn their idols with fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

    14 You shall be the most blessed of peoples, with neither sterility nor barrenness among you or your livestock. 15 The LORD will turn away from you every illness; all the dread diseases of Egypt that you experienced, he will not inflict on you, but he will lay them on all who hate you. 16 You shall devour all the peoples that the LORD your God is giving over to you, showing them no pity; you shall not serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.

    Deuteronomy 13:
    15 You shall put the inhabitants of that town to the sword, utterly destroying it and everything in it — even putting its livestock to the sword.

    Deuteronomy 20:
    16 As for the towns of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. 17 You shall annihilate them — the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites — just as the LORD your God has commanded,
    Joshua 1:
    1 After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, the LORD spoke to Joshua son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying, 2 “My servant Moses is dead. Now proceed to cross the Jordan, you and all this people, into the land that I am giving to them, to the Israelites. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, as I promised to Moses. 4 From the wilderness and the Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, to the Great Sea in the west shall be your territory. 5 No one shall be able to stand against you all the days of your life.

    Joshua 6:

    16 And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city. 17 The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live because she hid the messengers we sent. 18 As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19 But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD.” 20 So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. 21 Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.

    Joshua 8
    24 When Israel had finished slaughtering all the inhabitants of Ai in the open wilderness where they pursued them, and when all of them to the very last had fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned to Ai, and attacked it with the edge of the sword. 25 The total of those who fell that day, both men and women, was twelve thousand — all the people of Ai.

    There is lots more.

  125. CBTerry says:
    @vot tak

    Would you find it acceptable had MacDonald written: “Finally, another enormous blindspot is Chomsky’s never mentioning immigration’s transformative effects on America”?

    My brief perusal of your linked article indicates that Chomsky’s concern is for migrants, not Americans: “With considerable justice, Bangladesh’s leading climate scientist says that “These migrants should have the right to move to the countries from which all these greenhouse gases are coming. Millions should be able to go to the United States.” . . . . Returning finally to Pope Francis’s words, migrants are indeed in danger, severe danger. And we should be devoting ourselves to remedying their plight in all of the many ways that we can: by addressing the causes of their flight, by greatly increasing humanitarian aid, by welcoming them into our midst.”

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @4justice
  126. JamesinNM says:
    @CamFree

    Yep, it most certainly is a f’n duck.

  127. @AaronB

    ‘If you called for the abolition of the Nazi regime, that would be fine.

    If you described the German nation as an abomination, and called for its elimination – not ok.’

    And I haven’t called for the elimination of Jews — whatever you might wish. In fact, I would like to see them evacuated in safety from their little mini-Nazi abomination. They can even come here!

    …well, to New Jersey.

    Just as it would be the ideology of Nazism and its conquests one would object to, it is the ideology of Zionism and its conquests 2020 Colin objects to. Germans are welcome to what is theirs absent Nazism; you’re welcome to what is yours absent Zionism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  128. Patagonia Man [AKA "PTG Mann"] says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Another reason I forgot to mention, which will result in Westerners’ demographic replacement is due to the pressures / influence from other alien groups themselves:

    “Jews have always encouraged immigration into all the countries in which they have ever settled, not just because a multicultural society corresponds to their politico-religious plans [for world domination having a 5th Column in every country], but also because the resulting dissolution of national identity protects them from any “nationalistic” upheavals.” – French author, documentary maker & researcher educated at the Sorbonne, Hervé Ryssen

    • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
  129. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    That’s not the point I am making.

    People sometimes say that “criticism” of Israel is labelled anti-Semitic and shut down, and that this is a heavy handed “thin skinned” overreaction to what’s only a perfectly normal criticism of the type every country comes in for, after all.

    But you provide an example of “criticism” of Israel that is completely unlike that of any other country, by your own admission – it seeks the utter destruction of the country. It is this eliminationist rhetoric, among other forms of extreme over the top hostility, that is labelled anti-Semitism. Not “normal criticism”.

    That is an important distinction.

    Now, maybe you have the perfect right to work for the actual destruction of another country, but you probably shouldn’t get all hot and bothered those you are targeting for destruction want to shut you down, or at the very least, try and bring upon your ideas social opprobrium as much as possible. Nor can it be destroyed as s “thin skinned” overreaction to what everyone has to endure as a matter of course – as you yourself say, its unique in both desired outcome and sheer malice towards its target.

    Now I personally don’t think any speech should be shut down, but I think its well within reason to seek to stigmatize those that seek your destruction, and illuminate the malice and violence of their ideas for all to see, as much as is in your power.

    That’s surely perfectly legitimate, and not any kind of heavy handed overreaction to “mere” criticism.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  130. Skeptikal says:
    @Morton's toes

    I had to stop watching when Stephen Pinker came on.

    He is the biggest pseud going.

    Pinker and Neil Ferguson belong together!!

    • Agree: bjondo
  131. Skeptikal says:
    @PetrOldSack

    Thanks for calling out the egregious Steven Pinker.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  132. @animalogic

    “Should have ignored Moscow & settled on a Southern strategy. Oil.”

    Hitler’s strategy was to ignore Moscow and seize the Caspian oil fields but some of his generals favored capturing Moscow and went against his idea.

  133. vot tak says:
    @CBTerry

    Strawman and changing the goalposts, nice try bum bandit. You remind me of websayanim responding when someone points out israeli lies. Same sort of dishonest attempt to manipulate discussion. Nowhere in my comment do I discuss chomsky’s or mcdonald’s opinions about immigration. I simply pointed out your hero was lying, and you are well aware of this. Decent folk don’t reinforce the dishonesty of others. That is what propagandists do. Incidentally, I don’t really care what chomsky or mcdonald think about immigration. Or what you think you think about it, either. 😀

    • Replies: @CBTerry
  134. Paul says:

    The U.S. ruling class detests Noam Chomsky. He is never printed on the op-ed pages of newspapers.

    He is brilliant. His theory of generative grammar revolutionized linguistics.

    • Replies: @anon8383892
  135. Paul says:

    “. . . New Left activist intellectuals, [Noam Chomsky] joining such figures as Paul Goodman, Herbert Marcuse, and Howard Zinn.”

    C. Wright Mills and Staughton Lynd were a couple of others.

  136. bjondo says:

    What do you think the reasons were for the decision to invade the country – Iraq?

    The reasons are transparent. It’s just that the doctrinal controls in the U.S. are so strong you’re not allowed to mention them. Just ask yourself: If Iraq’s main exports were asparagus and tomatoes and the energy producing region in the world were the South Pacific, do you think the United Stated would invade it? It’s obvious. We’re not allowed to talk about it because we live in a deeply indoctrinated society, and you have to follow the party line. So, we’re not allowed to point out that the U.S. invaded Iraq because it has the second largest oil reserves in the world, and they’re very easily accessed – no permafrost, just stick a pipe in the ground.

    – The Noam.

    https://www.pressenza.com/2018/05/noam-chomsky-discusses-iraq/

    If asparagus and tomatoes enabled Iraq to modernize and aid Palestinians
    and threaten Israel, yes the JewCon U.S. would have attacked Iraq.

    And this champion of free speech did not offer support to
    Professor Steven Salaita fired by U of Ill for tweets
    regarding Israel’s actions against Palestinians (Gaza attacks).

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/academic-heavyweights-slam-univ-illinois-firing-steven-salaita-palestine-views

    Neither did Norm Finkelstein.

    5 dancing shlomos

  137. Two words: RAND, CORPORATION.

    “Chomsky is a former RAND Corporation associate who was trained in linguistics by the Bertrand Russell-founded project at the University of Pennsylvania. Chomsky, resituated at MIT, has cast himself in the political-intelligence operative mode of Karl Korsch, and has been closely associated with international intelligence projects set up under Bertrand Russell. The significance of the pairing of Chomsky and Minsky is that Chomsky’s linguistics are a significant input to the brainwashing studies done at RAND Cor­poration and elsewhere with aid of the programming methods of Minsky. (A chimpanzee putatively benefiting from their work was named “Nim Chimsky.”)

    The connection between the work of Chomsky, Minsky, and others in and around MIT’s RLE to the RAND Corporation and the Palo Alto complex is a significant part of the background for the case of Air Force Intelligence as a whole. It is also relevant that the rabid environmentalist James R. Schlesinger has several common denominators with Henry A. Kissinger, in­cluding Daniel Ellsberg. It was Ellsberg who brought Schlesinger into the RAND Corporation, and who collaborated with RAND Associate Chomsky in launching the public phase of Kissinger’s “Pentagon Papers” project.”

    “Who really runs Air Force Intelligence”
    https://bit.ly/2L79KXe

    In other words, Chomsky is a Communication Magician.

  138. @Skeptikal

    What’s the problem with Pinker? I haven’t followed up on How The Mind Works in the 23 years approx since I read it except that mentioning it favourably to a correspondent of Steve Seller’s in 1998 first put me in indirect touch with our host who had already achieved great things. Since then reviews and discussion of The Blank Slate and (I think) The Better Angels of Our Nature have left me with a highly favourable view of his intellectual orientation. He is certainly not PC in my understanding. And, prima facie, that’s good IMO.

  139. @AaronB

    ‘But you provide an example of “criticism” of Israel that is completely unlike that of any other country, by your own admission – it seeks the utter destruction of the country’

    Oh, you can keep ‘Israel,’ if you like. You just can’t have the support of the United States. You also need to give your Palestinian subjects full political rights and access to arms, positions in the military, etc.

    No problem. You can be ‘Israel.’ Go right ahead. Only — respect the same moral principles everyone else does.

    I’ll be all for ‘Israel’ — when Aaron can be shot down by a Palestinian soldier when he ‘comes at me with a knife,’ and when a Palestinian judge hears the case.

    So no — I don’t seek the utter destruction of Israel. I just decline to support it and think it should conform to the same morality every other civilized state on this planet does.

    …but that’s ‘exterminationist anti-semitism’ for you.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  140. @the grand wazoo

    Which reports do you rely on when asserting that Chomsky was paid not to mention Israel as a 9/11 perpetrator?

  141. 4justice says:
    @CamFree

    Noam is a kindly fellow, but a Jewish supremacist. He once said the reason MIT was so great was because it was not held back by having Quotas against Jews like Harvard did. Many MIT Jews feel that Jews are “better.” Steven Pinker, formerly at MIT but now at Harvard, was very frank about it is his talk on “Jews, Genes and Intelligence.”

    Chomsky also once said in an IAP course at MIT not long after 9/11 that proof of the degradation of Arab societies was the widespread belief among the populations that Israel was behind 9/11. It wasn’t seen as rational for Arabs to remember the many false flag attacks perpetrated by the Zionists. Pretty self-serving if you happen to carry water for Israel as Noam does. As people have mentioned, Chomsky blames Israel’s crimes on the US for enabling them, but how is Israel able to demand such enabling, Noam? Luck? Noam denies that there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby in the US. He claims it is the US using Israel for its own interests – yet it is Israel that shakes down the US taxpayers for billions each year and involves US soldiers to wage wars that cost into the trillions. So how does this help the US?

    Noam signed the 2000 Harvard-MIT divestment petition and then undermined it claiming that it was not a good idea since the majority of Israelis did not support it. If the majority of Israelis supported it, it wouldn’t be necessary. Israel created a “majority” by exiling enough of the indigenous population. But if those exiled Palestinians and their decedents were included in a poll over whether to support BDS or not, the vast majority would support it.

    Well past the 2005 Palestinian civil society call for BDS Amy Goodman asked Chomsky on her show DemocracyNow! if he didn’t live in the US, where would he live. He glowingly replied “Israel” to which his fellow Jewish supremacist host also beamed. Their noble people’s country built on stolen land and still ongoing apartheid, ethnic cleansing and mass internment with a stolen language, stolen culture and stolen history.

    Noam says that morality requires to look first at our own actions, but somehow, he never gets to his community’s actions – he sticks with America’s actions. I thought he was just a sincere person trying to make our shared society more honest. But now I know he was in it for his people while people for human rights were claiming to be in it for everyone. Does he know he is a Jewish supremacist? I don’t know. Does he think he is a “White person”? I would be interested to know. But whatever the case, if we hope to see past the gateposts, we need to be honest about his selective integrity. And thanks to the work of E Michael Jones talking about the power struggle between Jewish, WASP and Catholic power in the US, it makes sense why Noam went to such pains to try and rewrite the history of JFK and dismiss any concern for solving his assassination.

    • Agree: the shadow
  142. 4justice says:
    @CBTerry

    Another good way to protect migrants would be to stop our governments from destroying their societies for Israel’s interests. Win for them, win for us. Not great for those who want to exploit them as underpaid workers which is who is always pushing the immigration agenda. They say it is out of concern for them, but it is really out of concern for themselves. Sadly the Pope is either duped by these exploitative globalists or in league with them. The Church is in grave danger, either way. Catholics need to beware. People don’t just leave their country without a second thought. Sure, some love to take off for a crazy adventure, but most stay put near family and familiar land until people make life unlivable there.

    Americans say we need immigrants due to our collapsing birth rates. But how moral is it to teal the human investment of other societies because we are too lazy or frivolous to invest in having our own families? Are the climate fascists the new eugenicists telling everyone not to have children, but then advocating stealing the young people from other societies? I fear that is the case. Are we going to fall for it? Every society needs to have children, have a stable economy, provide a good amount of its own needs for itself. Globalization was a con to exploit laborers.

    • Agree: ivan
  143. @Alden

    I’m not sure about that, but looking at other comments here such on Chomsky’s opposition to “Holocaust” investigation even being allowed, I admit that I’m beginning to feel I’m on shaky ground.

  144. CBTerry says:
    @vot tak

    – Decent folk don’t use terms like “horseshit” in written comments. As for my being a “bum bandit,” if you are going to resort to name calling, try doing a better job of it.

    – You never answered my question.

    • Troll: vot tak
  145. sarz says:
    @Hegar

    “Look at the Koch brothers, they want immigration!” (Koch brothers, educated in Left-owned universities where Jews write the sociology textbooks, watching Jew-owned media. Congrats, you found one example to use.)

    Not so fast. The Koch brothers are/were Jews. Not exactly under crypsis, they, like their dad, came on like John Wayne.

    The Soviet Union was the creature of Wall Street Jews and for them it was a giant tit. Koch dad made his fortune, as an American, with a massive deal there. But who would accuse John Wayne of being communist.

  146. Yes, Chomsky clearly considers himself a superior being qua Jew. On the other hand, early reports show him distraught about victims of the Indochina wars and handling it with the obsessive research that made his name. Maybe his celebrity has gone to his head; maybe he has an ethnocentric blind spot.

    As for “So how does this help the US?” …

    It doesn’t help the US, it helps CIA. CIA gets cutouts who’ll do anything, since Israelis don’t consider Americans to be human. CIA gets deniable henchmen who can be put out of reach to obstruct investigations. This applies to illegal domestic operations like surveillance, murder, provocation, torture, bribery, money laundering, asset-stripping, child trafficking, or kompromat, as well as use and threat of force. CIA gets sneering, repulsive hairy scapegoats to blame their crimes on. These scapegoats run home to Israel and moon you and give you the finger, shielded by their eyes-only intelligence liaison agreements with CIA.

    The bulk of Chomsky’s bullshit, and the thing that saves his skin, is his insistence on treating the US as a monolithic black box. When a bribed and blackmailed political whore swears fealty to Israel, you can see CIA’s hand up her shirt, working her mouth. When Israel stinks up the place too bad and CIA is ready to drop it like they dropped South Africa, then the Jewish State will get theirs, and not before. You see signs of that now, with “ex” spooks like Giraldi blaming Israel for everything CIA did for the last 70 years. CIA uses organized crime as SOP, and Israel’s just organized crime with nukes.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  147. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    The hatred of the envious transcends the White people to their wonderful art, especially the classics, with the destruction of Dresden and the promotion of Guggenheim modern art ( so called!)

    We’re on the same page Joe, but I would suggest that the art and technological miracles and other creative genius of Western man are nothing compared to the people themselves, when it comes to tweaking the narrative that Jewish supremacists hold so precious – that they are so superior to all other tribes/races that their divine chosenness and superiority is a difference of kind, rather than just degree.

    Gentiles are just beasts on two legs, put on earth to serve the Jew, they’re told. Not much different than an ox.

    Until you look at them.

    And the foundational myths of Jewish supremacy crumble like a temple built with phylacteries.

    Dresden was a way for them to cope with that. Their response to asking the reality mirror, ‘who’s the fairest of them all?, and not liking the answer.

    And you’re right, Dresden certainly wasn’t just about burning alive as many souls like the ones in the photo, for the sin of making Jews feel not as good about themselves (superior to all others), but also to destroy the accomplishments and art and sublime baroque culture that the Jews could only peer upon with glowering homicidal acid dripping on their vanity and tribal conceits.

    The Kulaks were starved to death by the millions for this reason. The best of Poland were slaughtered at the edge of a ditch for this reason.

    It’s why Barbara Spectre (and George Soros and Noam Chomsky and all the rest) want Europe to “survive”. Every Jew who advocates for immigration, is motivated at heart, (even if subconsciously) by this simple and fundamental imperative of Jewishness to see others destroyed.

    It’s why every time you look at an ad or see a show on TV or Hollywood, (no ((echoes)) are even necessary), you see their unhinged hatred peering back.

    We see a woman like the one in the photo as God’s ultimate creation, and the fount of our existence, to be loved and protected and, dare I say, worshiped?

    They see her as vile reminder of all they hate and despise, hopefully Weinstein can mold her into a gutter skank and put her in his Hollywood movies as an azz- kicking feminist, breeding Negro babies as she takes down the patriarchy.

    Hollywood is their id, and you can glimmer much just by watching their movies, once you understand their motivating principle; Hatred.

    • Agree: Poco
  148. Rurik says:
    @Tapeworm or scolex

    Giraldi blaming Israel for everything CIA did for the last 70 years

    It wasn’t the CIA who napalmed and torpedoed and machine-gunned the Liberty, was it?

    Sure, the CIA had a hand in the assassination of JFK and 9/11, but it’s obvious (((who’s))) in charge.

    Wherever Jeffery Epstein is, his fate was determined by Mossad operatives, not the CIA.

    Let’s not play pretend here on who’s got (((whose))) hand up whose skirt.

  149. @Wizard of Oz

    Even before (((someone))) got round to “discovering” that Spinoza – excommunicated Jew – had “invented” the Enlightenment

    Wut? A fellow tribesman was the “real” progenitor of the Enlightenment?

    Ya don’t say. And as a fanatical jewish ethnic activist and confirmed semitic supremacist, you feel compelled to “inform” the goyim of this “fact” — for their own good, of course…

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, this “Spinoza wuz de fadda of de Enlightenment — HONEST!” trope is… yet another a long-discredited semitic canard.

    Your failed attempt to promote a fellow MOT as an “intellectual leader” to the goyim is a fairly typical example of a technique that forms a core element of toxic semitism — creating and intensively promoting a patently false, ethnonarcissistic narrative focused on a putative “jew guru.” For a more in-depth study illustrating how how this tactic fits in with the broader use of weaponized narrative promotion as a tool of systemic semitism… read The Culture of Critique.

    On a more meta level, we see the same process illustrated here by the very fact that the “ideas” of a mediocrity like Chomsky are even deemed worthy of serious discussion. BHL is a similar example of a ludicrously-overhyped nonentity whose only discernible “qualification” is his tribal membership.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  150. @Rurik

    Thank you Rurik for the time and effort spent elaborating on such a sinister fact with such marvellous eloquence which I hope shall permeate into the consciousness of the many who so far have failed to discriminate between the wheat and the chaff in our culture that has been mauled by the social engineering of the crooked masters of discourse.
    My deepest respects for you Sir.

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @Rurik
  151. @Just another serf

    I think “cowering in place” might be another way to describe it.

  152. @vot tak

    Let me get this straight:

    Chomsky is 91 years old and has been a “leading academic” for more than 50 years. You produce ONE minor lecture from 2016 – which does not even address the issue under discussion – then on the basis of that one lecture you pronounce (or certainly imply) that Professor MacDonald’s entire article is “pure horseshit” ?

    Cretin alert.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @vot tak
  153. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    BEHOLD: a typical hasbarasshole!

    >>”it’s the moral responsibility of every American to — at a minimum — end our connection with that horror.”

    You know, like an uncle cutting off support to his ne’er-do-well nephew.

    >”when ‘criticism’ of Israel becomes exterminationist anti-Semitic rhetoric.”

    First, Arabs are Semites, too.

    Second, how is telling Matzonians in Shekestan to cut their own ice after 71 years “exterminationist”

    GOYIM: “No more aid for Israel. It’s supposedly a First-World nation. Let it finally act like one!”
    ZIONISTS: “Holocaust 2.0! The sky is falling! More Shoah business!”

    >”No one says rational, balanced criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic”

    Er, Zionists do.

    Now quick: cite some legit criticisms of the Jewish State. We’ll wait.

    Now, give “balanced criticism” of the Aryan State.

  154. @suicidal_canadian

    Count me out of your “solution”. I have some much better ones in mind, which involve certain other people dying long before I do.

  155. @Wizard of Oz

    Probably the key gateway to truth these days is the controlled demolition of building 7 on 9-11.

    If you come to this with an open mind and are honest with yourself, it is easy to see the truth through this event.

    His dismissal without engaging the evidence in a authentic, dispassionate and reasonable manner is evidence he is lying, at a minimum to himself.

    However, I have a hard time believing it is limited to lying to himself, given the power of his intellect and the many examples in the past that he has used it in an authentic way on troublesome subjects. His approach on 9-11 contradicts everything we thought we knew and respected about Chomsky.

    I learned some significant stuff from him and had an extremely positive view of him for 30 years, reading or listening to him throughout that time. I do not hold my current position lightly.

    Go to architects and engineers for 911 truth website, explore the evidence in some detail. Click on the links, verify things for yourself (like the video of building 7 collapsing).

    ae911truth.org
    Evidence tab, start with building 7.

    I wish you the best. Feel free to engage me with questions, etc.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Biff
  156. Wall Street and corporate America are decidedly on the left when it comes to the social issues that came to prominence in the 1960s: civil rights (now morphed into racial identity politics for all non-Whites), feminism (now morphed into gender identity politics), and the environment (now dominated by “climate change”). Leftist attitudes on these issues pervade elite media, the academic world, and corporate America.

    I think this is better explained that Wall Street and corporate America have hijacked and co-opted these issues and channeled dangerous activism into defanged irrelevancy and absurdity via NGOs astroturfing. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism have replaced left and right in America but neither are left – far from it; both are rightfwing and nearly indistinguishable because they are two sides of the same coin.

  157. @Paul

    Some won’t recognize this as what I assume is /sarc, since Chomsky is indeed printed on op-ed pages of _major_ newspapers.

    Arguably his linguistics contributions aren’t particularly significant; however, I personally consider the Anshen published lecture “Language and Thought” the best natural philosophy I have ever read. It’s the work of a sage, simple as dirt, deep as the ocean. Good companion to the work of Roger Penrose on consciousness, some discussion of reductive materialism, some discussion of Dennett (of “Consciousness Explained” fame and fashion).

    Lord knows what kind of professional manipulation and pressure over the decades. He may not have started out compromised in integrity; anyone appreciating the awesome power the cryptocracy wields over everyday life matters won’t find it surprising that a basically domesticated nerd would buckle. It really takes a willful mofo to buck the pressure, willing to sacrafice career first of all.

    Not an excuse, for the mortal.

    • Disagree: Paul
    • Replies: @Paul
    , @Nosquat Loquat
  158. @AaronB

    So… let me get this straight:

    Exhorting

    every American to — at a minimum — end [America’s ] connection with that horror [Israel]

    is now the same thing (in your world) as

    becom[ing] exterminationist

    with

    anti-Semitic rhetoric ?

    It’s good to see that, as usual, Jews are able to maintain a paranoia-free, neurosis-free mindset and composure of intelligence, coherency and rationality when encountering a point of order.

  159. @Colin Wright

    So no — I don’t seek the utter destruction of Israel. I just decline to support it and think it should conform to the same morality every other civilized state on this planet does.

    …but that’s ‘exterminationist anti-semitism’ for you.

    I get the sense that — as is often his wont — Aaron had tried to conflate you with me, since I was the one who had previously described Israel as thin-skinned for waging a militant campaign to suppress criticism of it.

    I mean, surely you can understand his error. After all, us white folk all look alike.

  160. @Rurik

    Hollywood is their id, and you can glimmer much just by watching their movies, once you understand their motivating principle; Hatred.

    If you haven’t seen his work, Devon Stack of Blackpilled has done a great job of analyzing Hollywood movies, going back to the Jazz Singer, the Pawn Broker (key movie in our cultural decline!), Easy Rider, Norma Rae (how the Jews taught the Boomers to hate themselves), etc, etc.

    Contrast all that with his analysis of Office Space, made by a white/non-Jewish male. It’s brilliant stuff.

    His movie dissecting playlist:

    Some that stand out, all worth seeing:

    Selling Divorce to the West (first 15 seconds are a killer hook)

    Pawnbreaking our culture

    The Boomer Deception

    Teaching Boomers Hate

    Inside Bird Box

    Benefits with No Attachments

    Nice Until We’re Not (Office Space review is a message of hope actually)

    He’s on bitchute for future reference. He’s walked the line enough to avoid getting bounced from YouTube but expects to ultimately be deleted there.

    His whole channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvaHgYcWAAcn5D54w4Dqezg

    Also, “No one will remember Carl” is an profound work of reflection on the guy who owned his house before him (I think that’s correct—it been a while). It encapsulates Stack’s larger themes with a real life example. Amazing but very tragic.

    Btw, with regard to the picture of the fair, young woman — hard to argue with that face!!!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  161. Rubicon says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Personally, I haven’t deeply studied Chomsky’s “language” he uses in monologues and dialogues.
    But, based on this article and others, I find it remarkable that he *chose* to study this means of communication because it goes to the very heart of WHY the Jewish cabal is so successful.

    I sense in Chomsky a continuous use of obfuscations, and verbal diversions as a key characteristic among many of these Jewish icons of Capitalism. Their use of “language” is a central aspect in their rise to the American capitalist state.

    It’s their clever use of “language” that’s been highly successful with each new generation of white Capitalists. They know precisely what buttons to push with the avarice/unwise American entrepreneurs, but at the same time they use duplicitous means to ensure that THEY reign supreme as CEOs of the media, hedge funds, Wall Street, etc.

    It’s too bad ancient “dialogue” and formal “debate” of the Greeks & Romans can’t rise from the ashes to take on these very devious, manipulative Jews. If that became a trend again, I think the Jewish power would be duly destroyed.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  162. vot tak says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Another liar reinforcing the lies of his hero. You guys are no different than zionazi-gay hasbarats. 😀

  163. Rurik, Rurik.

    What makes you think CIA gives a rat’s ass if the Liberty got bombed or not?

    And I am unable to evaluate your assertions, since they are simple declarative sentences with no evidence or rationale. That is not obvious. It would seem you are not clear on the concept of obvious.

    CIA runs the country with

    (1) secret focal points or dotted-line reports in agencies that have resources or authority they need;

    (2) child trafficking and pedo kompromat (Boy’s Town, Penn State, &c., &c., and lately, Epstein);

    (3) with bribery (Tongsun Park, ABSCAM, &c., &c., and lately, AIPAC);

    (4) with five public and more secret get-out-of-jail-free cards for violent criminal coercion;

    (5) by infiltrating and directing police, reserves, media, and organized crime (lately, the Kosher Nostra);

    How exactly do Jews run the country? And how exactly do they overcome CIA’s control mechanisms?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Alden
  164. @Rev. Spooner

    What really pissed me off is having Bob Dylan win a nobel prize in Literature. He could not hack a senior class in poetry composition at an average college.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Alden
  165. Birhan says:

    Everytime I hear about Tikun Olam, love thy God many other jewish theological concepts about religious spiritual sublime concepts..I wonder I have never seen any rabbis, jewish leaders denounce the Palestinian genocide, the leading and often seminal work of jews in pornography, sodomy, open borders, financial frauds. etc. I have seen religious leaders from Christian denominations risked their lives to defend the most vulnerables in the wolrd (MLK,Tutu,)I have NEVER seen a rabbi being a martyr for human rights,???? often times Talmudic rabbis encourage, approve of such Ungodly behavior ?? why ???

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  166. Old Jew says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    singular: Sayan

    plural: Sayanim

    Is “Noam Chomsky” a plural noun?

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  167. mcohen says:

    I always thought linguist was some sort of oral sex thing involving the tongue.a sort of wordbrator.

    “wordbrator”

    you read it first on unz.along with “chingcel”

    I have been wondering as I do if there is an active opposition in China centred around the Hong Kong democracy movement that could be responsible for releasing covid 19.Wonder if China is considered a failed state by chompsky

  168. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine

    I saw that lame ‘Thanks’, and decided it wouldn’t due as a response.

    So let me say Thank you Joe. Your kind words are very much appreciated!

  169. Rurik says:
    @FactChecker

    Thank you FactChecker,

    I’ve saved it to my favorites folder for checking out later. Looks intriguing.

    And you’re right about that face!

  170. mcohen says:

    The review of the book written in 2006 was prophetic in its views of the usa becoming a failed state.10 years later the 2016 elections in the usa proved him right.

    Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy
    Noam Chomsky
    Published 2006
    Political Science
    The US government has routinely cited the threat of ‘failed states’ to global security, asserting the right to intervene with military force to prevent their further collapse. ‘Failed states’ are those on the peripheries of the global system, with either weak, nonexistent or dictatorial governments, allegedly incapable of satisfying the basic needs of their citizens and considered a danger to the world and to their own people. In this ground-breaking new book, celebrated thinker Noam Chomsky argues that America itself is a failed state, and is as such a danger to its people and, increasingly, to the world. He draws attention to the inescapable irony that the United States, long involved in democracy-building adventures around the world, desperately needs to revitalize democracy far closer to home.

    Free download in pdf

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Failed-States%3A-The-Abuse-of-Power-and-the-Assault-Chomsky/599ce93e10b603ef52ca62dc2bbc719b5c78871d

  171. Rurik says:
    @Tapeworm, Scolex

    What makes you think CIA gives a rat’s ass if the Liberty got bombed or not?

    This is something I just wrote on the Giraldi thread.

    We’ve had traitors and scumbags running the CIA ever since the coup on November 22, 1963.

    They’ve brought narcotics to this nation’s young people, while fomenting wars and strife. They’ve worked hand and hand with the (((media))) to lie to the American public, (and beyond, see Ulfkotte, Udo).

    Our ‘intelligence community’ knew about the USS Liberty, and helped to cover it up.

    How exactly do Jews run the country?

    The CIA is like Luciano to the Mossad’s Lansky

    They get the higher profile, but all the big decisions are made by zios.

    All you have to do is ask yourself, since WWI, on whose behalf has the ZUS government worked feverishly (and indeed, slavishly) to bolster?

    On whose behalf did the US Army invade Disney Studios with 500 armed soldiers on the morning after Pearl Harbor?

    On whose behalf did FDR drag us into another catastrophic war in Europe?

    On whose behalf did Nixon aid during the Yom Kippur war, bringing on the Arab Oil Embargo?

    My mind reels when I contemplate all the acts of treason and treachery we’ve been subjected to on behalf of zion, that it really should be obviously to all, on whose behalf they’ve been termiting away at the pillars of our nation.

    The CIA are their American goon squad, dealing drugs and menacing any journalist or media outlet that doesn’t toe the zio line. But it’s always done on behalf of Israel.

    Even the domestic program of blending whitey out of existence, should raise the hackles of most CIA officers, who’re mostly white themselves. But they go along with it all because they’re the goons, like Luciano to the brains; Lansky/Zion.

    Both were involved with 9/11, but it’s beyond obvious on (((whose))) behalf that heinous crime was perpetrated.

    • Replies: @Alden
  172. anarchyst says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Sure as hell can’t sing either.

  173. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    Another wonderful post thanks

  174. Alden says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Most of his early songs came straight out of a book called The Anthology of American Folk Music.

  175. anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    (((rurik))) met itzik at the fruit shop.they both make a grab for the last banana but a monkey beats them to it.

    the moral of the story?

    monkey see monkey do

  176. Anent Rurik 176:

    I see. CIA is Luciano and Mossad is Lansky – except that CIA Luciano has all the money and gives it to Mossad Lansky in giant annual aid globs to bribe congress, aid globs it could choke off anytime with a word, and CIA Luciano gives Lansky all the illegal dirty work like blowing up the WTC and pimping out the prostitots and spying on California and reading our emails and teaching cops to torture. It’s the mafia except bassackward!

    You haven’t explained to me how little 3rd-world pissant suckup Israel overcomes CIA impunity and repressive capacity and resources such as looting DoD or HUD, to push them around and run the world. Please explain how Israel makes CIA do what it wants, and why CIA is forced to comply.

    I fear you are mistaking the remora for the shark.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @vot tak
    , @Alden
  177. @suicidal_canadian

    That’s a fairly defeatist attitude. Conversely, if you’re a person of faith, pray for the conversion of that ethno-religious group – as has been prophesied in the Book of Revelation. If it hasn’t already occurred to you, you could actually be helping us – all of us.

    • Replies: @suicidal_canadian
  178. @James Forrestal

    I wonder if anyone as thick and careless as you can get anything from UR, let alone contribute anything.

    If you could not tell that my reference to Spinoza “invent[ing]” the Enlightenment was ironic you are truly stupid, and if you think my Comment record shows me to be Jewish or dominated by Zionist or Jewish memes you are discourteously careless towards your readers.

  179. Robjil says:
    @Tapeworm Scolex

    The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed explains how it all began.

    Before WWI, Britain and US had Zionist Jewish advisors who pushed WWI for the Balfour Declaration.

    That was not enough. The big 6, had to appear to have happened, and Israel had to come into being as an entity.

    WWII was created by Zionist Jewish Advisors in Britain, US and the Soviet Union.

    Israel was born after WWII on May 14 1948.

    It’s birthday is a few days away.

    Eretz Yisrael, greater Israel, has been pushed by Zionist Jewish Advisors in the US, Britain and the NATO nations since the Zionist Nine Eleven false flag.

    How is this all possible? Money talks. The FED started on 12.24.1913. Within a half year, WWI started on 6.28.1914.

  180. vot tak says:
    @Tapeworm Scolex

    Actually, guardianista, you have not explained how the cia dominates israel and the israeli zionazi elements around the world supporting israel. You posit a “given” that because the cia looks bigger, it’s the more powerful. The hasbara about israel being the colony and the usa being master is the “last defense” of the zionazi-gay perception management machine.

  181. Alden says:
    @Tapeworm, Scolex

    Rurik seems to have an enormous personal library full of books on politics and history from all points of view. He also seems to have access to a university library. He’s followed events for a long time. His internet research is excellent.

    Rurik is one of the most well informed Men of UNZ.

    Believe him, he’s almost always right.

    Because you don’t agree with him, you think he’s a prejudiced bigoted deplorable conservative. He’s not. He’s much much more knowledgeable about politics economics and history than you.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
    , @Rurik
  182. Alden says:
    @Tapeworm Scolex

    It’s pretty simple. The United States is a subservient colony of Israel. So just as Canada, Australia, India, Singapore etc did what England ordered when they were colonies, so does the USA do what Israel orders.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  183. @Alden

    ‘It’s pretty simple. The United States is a subservient colony of Israel. So just as Canada, Australia, India, Singapore etc did what England ordered when they were colonies, so does the USA do what Israel orders.’

    That does accurately describe the relationship.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man, Rurik
  184. @Patagonia Man

    If you actually think that praying is a way to solve problems then I can honestly say that we are finished as a people. You have to actually think and come up a plan of action if you want to solve your problems. Praying, or taking LSD, or doing group masturbation sessions isn’t going to accomplish anything. Do you think Jews became powerful by praying or do you think they became powerful by doing?

  185. @CamFree

    Echo chambers are the best at keeping retards preoccupied.

  186. @FactChecker

    I came late to conspiracy theories on 9/11 and haven’t been enthused by Ron Unz’s sponsorship of them when he makes only vague assertions about the many impossibilities in the official story and makes simple mistakes of fact when he writes of collapses into their own footprints.

    That doesn’t mean I reject the idea of Mossad’s guilty knowledge of what was planned.

    You seem to place a lot of credence in the crew that an architect by the name of Richard Gage got to lend their names to architectsandengineersfor911truth whereas I can see why the sharpminded Chomsky might dismiss them as a tiny proportion of America’s architects and engineers who, notably, have hardly added any supporters over the years.

    To me the collapse of WTC 7 is a negative for most conspiracy theories because supposedly clever plotters wouldn’t have wanted to plan the late afternoon demolition of WTC 7 when they clearly needed belief in the Al Qaeda plot to use aircraft to be fostered.

  187. @davidgmillsatty

    Why do you pick out just one paper which was published in an obscure scientific journal long after Chomsky and other interested public intellectuals would have had to decide whether they were qualified to form views about the science and what they should say when pressed, as they would be, for an opinion.

    He would have already rejected the architectsandengineersfor911truth crew as unimpressive and, even if he had someone draw his attention to the article you link he would surely have asked one of his Cambridge Mass peers whether it was important. If so it is quite conceivable that he might have been told

    “I wouldn’t normally send someone to Wikipedia but there are a number of good summaries in it of 911 theories. You could start with
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories?wprov=sfla1

    if you want to remain respectably uncertain and decently skeptical.”

    That Wikipedia article has, of course been updated since that imagined conversation but I suggest to you that there is quite enough in it to curb a nonengineer’s enthusiasm for believing any of the controlled demolition conspiracy theories. Hence I reiterate my challenge to anyone saying they have proof that the word “lie” is applicable. A narrow point is all I make, but I find it deplorable that so many UR commenters satisfy some inner angst or malice by asserting on no evidence that someone important (or a Commenter) is lying.

  188. @Wizard of Oz

    They didn’t plan the demolition of WTC7 in the afternoon. They planned to detonate it in the morning just after Flight 93 flew into it.

    But even the best laid plans go aft agley. Flight 93 was delayed from takeoff from JFK by over half an hour, so it was hijacked when the twin towers were both already hit. The passengers quickly figured out what was in store for them if they didn’t take the plane back and so the plane had to be shot down.

    Don’t believe me? Ask Rummy. He ought to know:

  189. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    A perfect example of when “criticism” of Israel becomes exterminationist anti-Semitic rhetoric.

    There you have it folks. No one says rational, balanced criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic – but as you can see, this is a very different animal indeed.

    Interesting. Then in parallel, ending our connection with Nazi Germany was immoral because it was anti-German

    As the Rabbis state, we are not your “folks”. Save your patronizing language for, I don’t know, is anyone sincerely listening to you people anymore?

    I think the world has Jew-fatigue to the degree that you may have trouble finding a significant audience. You people are beyond exhausting.

    No matter what you think that you have to give, it just isn’t worth it. Which is especially true even beyond the mere exhaustion of dealing with you, when the actual costs are tallied.

    If you were morally worried about criticism of an ethnonationalist state becoming exterminationist rhetoric, you’d wring your hands every day at the great injustice of the Nazi defeat.

    Inversely, to stay politically consistent and therefore morally credible, every day you’d celebrate the Palestinians as the equivalent of the revolutionary Jewish Poles.

    Your lost political consistency lies within one of the above two paths.

    Outside of those paths is your nonsense prattle, of the type that causes the world to wretch its lunch up into its mouth every time a Jew tries to yet again dazzle it with bullshit that he deludes himself into thinking is logical and persuasive to the lowly goyim.

    Prattle delivered to those whom he holds in so much obvious contempt that he can’t be bothered with more than obviously-empty lip service to political consistency.

    Yak it up. The auditorium of “fellow folks” is empty.

  190. @suicidal_canadian

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104310443&t=1589005552599

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nzpk9w/how-prayer-and-meditation-changes-your-brain

    Prayer and meditation seem to act similarly on the brain, which is to slowly make it less reactionary to stimulus, and more ‘conscious’, as in allowing the user freedom to act on intention in a broader range of experience.. From my experience with meditation, it allows the practitioner to remove themselves from any equation they are considering, and just look at how the dice fall – it helps dull the bias of self.

    Prayer is a bit external for a Buddhist, and I think relying on an external force may be unhelpful, but then again it could also just be like an internal mirror for people – if you voice your concerns to yourself, mull them over, you first lose the discomfort with respect to them, and second you can begin to consider the possible solutions to get around them.

    Humans aren’t completely blind. Aspirin derives from willow bark, and natural remidies from the plant date back to prehistory. Just because a Christ or a Lao Tzu couldn’t pin point the exact physiological or psychological pathway to why fasting and quiet sitting improve a person’s experience, doesn’t mean it doesn’t.

    Really, you should find out for yourself!

    • Agree: ivan
  191. @Rubicon

    ” … based on this article and others, I find it remarkable that he *chose* to study this means of communication because it goes to the very heart of WHY the Jewish cabal is so successful. “

    It’s well known in most Western liberal democracies, that the Jews are expert at controlling The Overton window, aka the window of discourse.

    George Orwell said it this way:

    “Who controls the past, controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

    said another way:

    “Whoever controls the narrative, controls the consciousness”

    … and as a technique of state capture:

    “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

    – Orwell, again.

    Living on the periphery of Empire, rather than the core (i.e., UK, US & Canada), I am genuinely amazed at how little Americans know about their own history.

  192. @Patagonia Man

    Thanks for posting the link! I’ve read quotes and excerpts but never the whole thing.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  193. @Wizard of Oz

    I don’t place credibility in Gage and his crew, per se. I place credibility in the physics of free falling objects. Anyone normie with a high school education should be able to deduce that the official story is a lie.

    From there, the whole thing unravels. If you dig long enough, you come to Christopher Bollyn or Laurent Guyenot and you are off to the races.

    Additionally, one would be led to question the JFK cover up as a logic consequence of one’s new found knowledge (magic bullet and Warren Commission coverup has immediate parallels to 9-11 and seems like the mother of all conspiracies). The threads lead quickly back to the people like McCloy and Dulles, then back to the Council on Foreign Relations. From there, back to Rhodes, Lord Rothschild and the whole AngloAmericanZionist new world order.

    It keeps going the longer you pull on the thread, the whole matrix of illusion of the world as it is taught to us unravels if you keep following connections and authors who’ve done good work on these topics.

  194. @suicidal_canadian

    As has been said by another: “The most common way that people give up their power is by thinking they don’t have any”

  195. @Hamlet's Ghost

    That’s exactly right.

    The point is if WTC7 was ‘wired’ – they were all wired [for demolition]

    Luckily, all of us truth-seekers have seen the interview of owner of the WTC complex, Larry Silverstein giving the command “Pull it!” – a term used for demolition of a building.

    It would take weeks, if not months, to wire a 47 storey building, at each column, on each floor for it to be “pulled” and collapse at free fall speed at 5:20pm same day.

    The problem is that the WTC7 controlled demolition has been concealed from the vast majority of Americans by the usual culprits, the owners of the US mainstream media outlets. I only became aware of it thanks to the UK’s BBC (before it became the British Bullshitting Corporation).

    But Hamlet’s Ghost, I think our ol’ OzWiz operates on this site, not only as an apologist for (((the usual suspects))) but also as a contrarian to procure links that he [quote] “uses to tease his Israeli friends” 😉 😉

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  196. @Alden

    Bravo.

    As another commenter once complimented me: Thank you, Sir, for bitch-slapping the yapping Jew cur.

  197. @Birhan

    Because… ummm… Jew.

  198. @Alden, your argumentum ab auctoritate comes off kinda lame when the erudite authority is a disembodied internet voice. I would be tickled pink to hear some facticles from Rurik’s library. @Rurik is most certainly a honnête homme. But we cannot argue in unsupported assertions.

    Ah, here’s what I need, lots of specific facts, but from @Robjil! Zionist advisors, yes, the Parushim was certainly influential here, with Brandeis and Frankfurter at its snaky Medusa head. Now, what did they accomplish? The WWII historiography is reasonable, but Putin has recently made a meticulously-documented case from state archives that Poland set off WWII. That’s equivocal – were the parasitic shtetl elites of Poland behind that, or the state? The archives show that Poland wasn’t keen on Jews. And of course the Fed. State concessions for fractional reserve banking have been a flashpoint since Andrew Jackson’s time – I don’t know whether Jews were behind it back then. But in any case the simple solution would seem to be not purging the Jews, but exterminating the bankers.

    @vot tak, CIA doesn’t need to dominate the Zionazis. To the extent that they have money, they’re clients for CIA’s criminal coercion, just like United Fruit, Texas oilmen, or IT&T. CIA and Mossad are symbiotic – but if a wedge issue emerges and push comes to shove, Israel’s a one-nuke laydown with an army that fights pubescent girls. Come on.

    There’s one fundamental problem with blaming the Jews. You don’t like being led around by the nose? Then take the fucking ring out of your nose. CIA is the ring in your nose. If you purge the Jews but leave CIA in place, some other cult will take it over. Mormons. Scientologists. Christ crazies.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @vot tak
  199. @Patagonia Man

    I am a hopeless optimist in my persistent hope that I am going to be able to rely for valuable information or insights on some commenter whose comments are relatively new to me. But you have just about allowed me to apply the Ignore function as you prove yourself too careless to quote me correctly and allege that I am an apologist for Jews or Israelis. If you were interested in truth you would know that I did not refer to Israeli friends (I don’t have any to the best of my knowledge) and that I have said very harsh things about Israeli crimes.

  200. @Hamlet's Ghost

    I don’t think for a moment that the short video clip featuring Rumsfeld proves anything. Do you? Why do you think only a few seconds is shown in the clip? But, anyway, why do you raise the question of whether Flight 93 was shot down at all?

    Are you deliberately distracting attention from the fact that your statements about Flight 93 and WTC 7 are no more than evidence free assertions? You really do start behind the eight ball when you state that Flight 93 was late taking off from JFK when its departure was in fact from Newark NJ. I fear that you may be one of those who try and make something out of Silverstein’s use of the expression “pull it” (which he later explained referred to the firemen’s attempts to put out the fire and retreat to safety) and the BBC reporter’s mistake (which she also explained as her mistake). Well, if so, I don’t have a cure for the disease of feeling more comfortable with conspiracy theory than the humdrum.

  201. @Paul

    UMMm… That would be because the vast statistical majority of capitalists ( known today as “globalists”) are in fact… umm… Jews.

    See how that works ?

  202. Rurik says:
    @Alden

    “almost”?!?!!!

    I’ve participated in forums like this before, and I generally do so to advance the cause of truth and decency and peace, which often brings me into contact with assorted trolls and hasbera types, obfuscating and deceiving (or at least trying ; ) to advance their agenda of wars and Zionism and PC rot.

    So while I’ve honed the edge of my rhetorical sword on the skulls of liars and shills, one of the things I’ve been lacking of, is a grace and humility apropos to our cause.

    It’s posts like yours Alden, that cause me to reflect, and bow my head to the legions of truly decent people still out there, fighting alongside against the forces of darkness.

    Your supporting words are a solace to my soul. And like a soldier in awe of Joan of Arc, I too am inspired by your gleaming example of fortitude born of integrity.

    God bless you, and I’ll try, (no doubt falteringly) to be worthy of your kind generosity.

    Humbly ~ Rurik

    • Replies: @AaronB
  203. Rurik says:
    @Tapeworm Scoldex

    a honnête homme.

    CIA and Mossad are symbiotic – but if a wedge issue emerges and push comes to shove, Israel’s a one-nuke laydown with an army that fights pubescent girls.

    If the CIA trumps Mossad, then why is it that for a hundred years, America (the putative home of the CIA) has dashed its destiny on the rocks of Zion?

    It seems there is no depth to the depraved sacrifices America has made (and is making) in blood and treasure, all squandered and lavished on the ‘shitty little state’, without compunction or regard for even one American life.

    Most CIA operatives are white men, and yet untold millions of white men of America have been sent to die in wars for Israel going back at least to WWI. Every drop of blood and penny spent on WWI and WWII, every dollar tossed on the manure pile of wars for Israel, from the Yom Kippur war and all the rest, to today’s Eternal Wars for Israel, are all a black stain on every white man who participates with this unspeakable devil’s fraud.

    And worst of all, most of those white men in the CIA all know on ((whose behalf)) young white (and black and brown) Americans are dying in the Middle East for.

    It makes their jobs and career aspirations even more execrable, because they all know they’re serving America’s enemy, as they shove and push, (like John Brennan) to be the biggest asshole in the room, in slavish fealty to Zion.

    I’m sorry, but there’s simply no doubt about for whom and what our CIA (and State Dept. and Pentagon and all the rest) treasonously serve, and have for a hundred years, as someone mentioned, as soon as Woodrow Wilson handed these demons the keys to the U.S. Treasury.

    The CIA are Zion’s dogs. On a leash, and allowed to make some cash of their own, trafficking cocaine (and now today, heroin) into the Western world, because as the CIA gets to buy whores and toys, they’re also serving Zion’s interest- as the millions of Western youngster’s lives are poisoned by these narcotics. ‘Such a deal!

    There’s no doubt who serves whom.

    This must be one of the most iconic and revealing pictures ever taken.

    Says it all.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  204. AaronB says:
    @Rurik

    I’ve participated in forums like this before, and I generally do so to advance the cause of truth and decency and peace

    …..by vilifying and demonizing a particular ethnic and religious group, and promoting the violent destruction of a particular country.

    No doubt, you call this group evil – therefore the cause of decency and peace is surely promoted by destroying this evil group.

    I’m not criticizing you here, based on your assumptions your attitude is perfectly defensible – I am just vividly reminded again of the old saying that most of the harm and violence in the world comes from people trying to do good.

    The whole “good vs evil” scheme is probably responsible for the majority of the pain and suffering in the world – with the remainder being simple greed or genuine malice.

    I am reminded again of the virtues of simple mystic “passivity” – not trying to do good or evil. Doing good is just an ego trip.

    Will the world ever get beyond good and evil? Not in the Nietzschean sense of being free to do evil, but in the sense of needing to do nothing.

    There is an old Buddhist response to the claim that any one liberated from notions of good and evil will be a monster – he doesn’t even do good, how much less dip he do evil!

    Of course, this does not refer to ordinary acts of kindness and decency and compassion to our neighbors – that is a normal part of human nature. I mean the big grand fight against “evil” – that’s just an ego trip, and in fact, the more you do that, the bigger your ego and the more incapable you become of ordinary acts of kindness and compassion. We do see that most do-gooders on a grand scale often lack ordinary compassion.

    Anyways, anyways…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Ilya G Poimandres
  205. annamaria says:
    @Art

    The Wars for Israel and the Fourth Estate as collateral damage: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/08/assanges-us-extradition-threat-to-future-of-internet-and-democracy/

    The Framers of the US Constitution believed there is a seed of corruption inherent in humans. This is why Thomas Jefferson, the principal author of America’s founding document, emphasized the vital role of a free press in keeping government power in check. …

    At the time when WikiLeaks released a massive trove of documents that detailed the CIA hacking tools, Vice President Mike Pence vowed to “use the full force of the law” to hunt down those who released the Intelligence Agency’s secret material. …

    Through his work with WikiLeaks, Assange aimed to hold people who run the machine to account. As a project of free software, he created an exemplar of scientific journalism on the platform of the Internet. It provided ordinary people with a formidable tool that can help them take back their power to control the machine and end its hostile takeover of society. …

    In his fight against extradition to the US, where he faces 175 years in prison and being subjected to harsh conditions under “Special Administrative Measures”, Assange is rendered defenseless. He is in effective solitary confinement, being psychologically tortured inside London’s maximum-security prison.

    • Replies: @Art
  206. Rurik says:
    @AaronB

    …..by vilifying and demonizing a particular ethnic and religious group,

    You’re wrong of course.

    I’ve never vilified Jews as Jews, but I will condemn in the strongest terms Jewish supremacists and Zionism, as its practiced today. As twisted little scumbags, murderous and treacherous. Yes, i’ll say that all day long.

    But Jews as a people are blameless, unless as I said, they’re genocidal supremacists as well.

    and promoting the violent destruction of a particular country.

    No, I don’t even promote that. All I advocate is the Right of Return, and compensation for every Palestinian who’s ever suffered injustice at the hands of Jewish supremacist scum.

    I mean the big grand fight against “evil” – that’s just an ego trip,

    Is it?

    Was Jesus on an ego trip?

    Was Gandhi?

    Was Rachel Corrie just on an ego trip?

    How about the people aboard the Mavi Marmara Gaza Freedom Flotilla? Just ego-tripping narcissists? Got what was coming to them?

    What about Edward Snowden? Did he risk his life for his ego? Or to warn his countrymen?

    I suspect that you’re wrong, (and of course a troll), but being a troll, you do what trolls do, huh?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  207. @AaronB

    but in the sense of needing to do nothing

    I would just say differentiate between the thing that is ‘nothing’, and the emptiness of ‘no thing’.. When I say ‘do nothing’ to myself, I just stew in my boxers, when I say ‘do no thing’ to myself, I conceptualise less, and just live in the experience. Maybe I’m just sensitive to language though! 🙂

    • Replies: @AaronB
  208. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    No, you make an excellent – even crucial – point.

    If you frame it as an active command, as in “do nothing!” – it entirely misses the point. The point is to not make anything happen – and suppressing is an attempt to make something happen. It builds ego.

    Rather, one must “not initiate action”, as in neither suppress nor make anything happen. Let everything be just as it is.

    • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
  209. AaronB says:
    @Rurik

    Well, Jesus said resist not evil, so I’m gonna go with not an ego trip. Of course, the religion that grew up around him developed into a massive ego trip.

    The other people – yup, ego trippers.

    Look, it’s perfectly human to ego trip – we give our selves a lot of self importance by our grand quests for “good”. And it can fill the empty hole in us.

    Unfortunately, it always involves fighting and opposing some group that we deem bad, and that’s where all the violence and suffering come from.

    There might be a better way – if you see yourselves as connected to everything else in the world, then the feeling of alienation disappears. You don’t have to give yourself importance by defeating those you deem “bad” – who of course fight you because they deem you “bad” – and perpetuate the whole cycle of violence.

    It’s an alternative for those who can take it, out of this good guy bad guy stuff.

    In that light, instead of fighting for “justice” in the form of the Right of Return, you would support practical, realistic measures to defuse the conflict and reduce suffering.

    Of course, from the other side – if the Right of Return gets implemented, then Israel needs to be compensated for all the deaths, suffering, and goods lost in the wars of aggression against it – starting with the 1948 attack which created the refugee problem to begin with. And all the Jewish refugees who were kicked out of Arab countries.

    But none of this is really the point. Each side has its justice – fighting for some grand justice rather practical measures to reduce suffering, is just an ego trip that perpetuates violence.

    • Troll: Rurik
  210. I still believe that “programming is just the space between the ads”. i.e. Selling ads is the main purpose and engine behind the mass media industry.

    However MacDonald has helped me understand that there are motives to the programming beyond merely promoting consumption and the sedation of the masses. These include supporting terrible wars in the Middle East, a continuous attack on Christianity, and a disturbing elevation of all things debauched. Stepping back it does look orchestrated, read intentional. Alas, it does appear to have been a continuous attack steered by the ethnic minority who runs the whole show.

    That is why I agree with Brother Nathaniel’s five plank platform which includes (temporary) nationalization of the mass media conglomerates. Because a) Israel First should not be controlling the mass media of USA, and b) elections should not be dependent on “war chests” with which candidates must purchase expensive ads. That alone is proof we do not live in a democracy.

    Now I must add that MacDonald’s mention of environmentalism as a bad things disappoints me. In fact, the overall environmental myopia of both the authors and comments on Unz Review signals a profound ecological illiteracy and a group consciousness rather divorced from physical reality.

    True, the environmental movement has made its mistakes, as when the Sierra Club refused to take a position on mass immigration (while behind the scenes selling out to David Gelbaum). But as John Muir once said, “One measure of wealth is what you can afford to leave alone”. Or maybe that was Thoreau. In either case, I hope you get the point.

    https://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_24_4/tsc_24_4_walker.shtml

  211. @Wizard of Oz

    If you were interested in truth you would know that I did not refer to Israeli friends (I don’t have any to the best of my knowledge)

    I saw what you posted on the Bugs and Feedback thread. You’ve been caught out.

    I also previously advised you that the Australian publication Quadrant Magazine along with the publications from in 35 countries was funded by the CIA’s front organization the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF) – to which you responded, and I quote, “so what”.

    These days, we would call that foreign interference with all the false allegations of ‘Russiagate’ and the cover story of ‘Russia meddling in the 2016 US Presidential Election in the news almost daily.

    You can lie if you want to, but ultimately its you who has to live with your own conscience, ol’ man.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  212. Art says:
    @annamaria

    annamaria — Assange is another big reason to defeat Trump in 2020 — Art

  213. @Patagonia Man

    As I say often on UR the word lie is overused and in your case I think your problem is stupidity, poor memory and negligence. I have searched Bugs and Suggestions and you are plain wrong.

    As to the Congress for Cultural Freedom stuff I have known that for decades and my “so what?” was a comment on your sense or relevance to the question then under discussion. I note that you did not come back with a response to my “so what?”.

  214. @anarchyst

    The key ingredient is MONEY in the hands of our opponents! Neutralize that somehow and our problems can be solved.

    Maybe the usury argument should be reopened.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  215. Miro23 says:
    @jbwilson24

    His role is to deflect questions about responsibility onto vague analyses of power structures.

    In other words, to interpret the modern, financialized, elite dominated, open frontiers US through the lens of Jewish activist 1960’s left talking points. It’s more difficult now than it was then, since it’s those self same Jewish activists who now hold power – but it can be done.

    For example, the Bolsheviks were Jewish counter-cultural radicals, attacking the structure of Russian society, fomenting strikes and unrest and championing the rights of the working class.

    When they gained absolute power, they wheeled out their Chomskys to sadly analyze the failures of Soviet Communism with no mention at all the Jewish elite. This particular elite was living the lifestyle of the old Russian aristocracy, while the Russian working class, lived in semi-poverty, had their political rights removed and were not permitted activism of any kind.

  216. Miro23 says:
    @Just another serf

    There’s some way to reverse this?

    Yes there is. The magic words are “This is my country”.

    Do what Israel does, and define the United States as the home of the people who settled it. Jews define Israel as the home of the Jewish people (never mind the Palestinians), and American Anglos define the United States as the home of the Anglo American people (never mind the native Indians – also displaced and put on reservations).

    It doesn’t always work.

    The British took power in India for a while but it didn’t last (and they all left). The Germans just about took power over Russia in 1941 (with plans to settle it), but were chased out. Same with the putative Japanese Empire in China (Manchukuo) that collapsed in 1945 with its million Japanese settlers also leaving.

    Jewish attempts to dominate the historic homelands of other ethnicities have not been great successes either.
    Mostly they were expelled from the countries concerned, with the recent examples being Weimar Germany, Jewish led Bolshevik uprisings Berlin 1919 (Spartacists) and Munich 1919 (Bavarian Soviet Republic) and Hungary 1919 (Hungarian Soviet Republic). Even where they were successful Russia 1917 (Bolshevik coup), they were liquidated by their own Golem (Stalin) 20 years later.

  217. Miro23 says:
    @dindunuffins

    Prof. Ignatiev’s critics say that openly calling for students, even if they are white males, to kill themselves was inappropriate and perhaps excessive.

    OK for the old lefty ladies in their focus groups. Amusing, but maybe a little inappropriate and perhaps (?) worryingly excessive. Never mind, he sounds like an interesting person . Can we invite him round?

    We DO understand that this only applies to white males – we would NEVER ask any other racial group to suicide itself.

  218. Miro23 says:

    In arguing for his position, Chomsky emphasizes that the 1970s marked the beginning of the rise of the financialization of the economy. Whereas in the 1950s manufacturing was 28% of the economy and finance 11%, the balance had reversed by 2010.

    And it was the beginning of outsourcing manufacturing to foreign countries with cheap labor and the consequent decline of labor unions and the economic and political power of the White working class.

    True enough. It became technically possible in the late 1970’s/ early 1980’s (digitalization and internet) to move modern manufacturing to Asia. It was highly profitable and avoided all the hassles of the unionized US workforce. Anglo elites fully participated, although the intellectual framework (validation) was Jewish – Neoliberalism.

    Throughout European history down to the Soviet Union and post-World War II communist societies in Eastern Europe, Jews have always made alliances with ruling elites, often alien ruling elites and often in opposition to other sectors of the population.

    Agreed. In Austria/Hungary they became the closest allies of the German elite (more German than the Germans) while they also displacing them in commerce, banking, publishing, the professions etc. A.H. saw it happening (Ref. Brigitte Hamann, “Hitler’s Vienna: A Dictator’s Apprenticeship”).

    First, financializing a hitherto more diversified U.S. economy; second, using massive quantities of debt and leverage to do so; third, following up a stock market bubble with an even larger housing and mortgage credit bubble; fourth, roughly quadrupling U.S. credit-market debt between 1987 and 2007, a scale of excess that historically unwinds; and fifth, consummating these events with a mixed fireworks of dishonesty, incompetence and quantitative negligence.

    Debt is the key. Taking control of a country’s money allows highly profitable speculative bubble/bust /QE cycles and $ trillion ME wars.

    Connelly has contributed several other articles on these topics, including “The Culture of Deceit” illustrating the legitimacy of financial fraud within the mainstream Jewish community.

    It’s a different psychology: We’re clever and they’re stupid so we deserve to win. They would do the same to us – we only got there quicker. It’s just business – pay the goy politician and get the legislation. Not all Jews – but plenty of them.

    Chomsky dutifully mentions the role of outsourcing jobs in compromising the interests of the working class but never mentions that the effects of immigration which is a major part of the reason for wage stagnation since 1970 but also forcing working class Whites to move out of formerly White areas in areas like Southern California which have been inundated by immigration.

    He has spoken about immigration, and it’s from the humanitarian/ welcoming angle.

    “Returning finally to Pope Francis’s words, migrants are indeed in danger, severe danger. And we should be devoting ourselves to remedying their plight in all of the many ways that we can: by addressing the causes of their flight, by greatly increasing humanitarian aid, by welcoming them into our midst.”
    https://i.unu.edu/media/gcm.unu.edu/publication/3328/Chomsky-lecture.pdf

    Chomsky champions a class-based politics, but the Democratic Party, formerly the bastion of labor unions, has become the party of diversity, embodying all the themes of the 1960s counter-cultural revolution and ignoring the interests of their White working-class constituents, with the result that the White working class was the largest group supporting Donald Trump with his populist rhetoric during the 2016 election.

    Trump failed them. They voted for “America First” which really means the return of Anglo American power, which didn’t happen.

    US Jewry still hate Trump for mobilizing the sentiment – with their MSM demonization reaching staggering proportions in 2016.

  219. @Rurik

    Assuming that’s a Rothschild but he doesn’t quite resemble Jacob (aka, Mr Burns), perhaps a bad angle?

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  220. @Wizard of Oz

    Mr Wizard,
    From your comments you indicate that you are familiar with 9-11 details and building 7 in particular.

    How do you explain build 7 falling symmetrically into its footprint at free fall speed (a basic fact of Newtonian physics), especially in light of the facts that no airplane hit it and no fire has ever brought down a modern, steel-framed building?

    Anxiously awaiting enlightenment on this.
    Thanks in advance

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Wizard of Oz
  221. vot tak says:
    @Tapeworm Scoldex

    Typical guardianista (IE: zionazi-very gay) obfuscation and hasbara. And a rather pathetic attempt at it, shlomo. 😀

  222. lavoisier says: • Website
    @FactChecker

    How do you explain build 7 falling symmetrically into its footprint at free fall speed (a basic fact of Newtonian physics), especially in light of the facts that no airplane hit it and no fire has ever brought down a modern, steel-framed building?

    It cannot be explained as anything other than a controlled demolition.

    And as Alan Sabrosky has elegantly explained. If they blew one, they did the others as well.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  223. @FactChecker

    Well I’m only a moderately interested bystander whose last exams in physics and applied maths were decades ago. But my understanding of apparently up to date stuff on the internet is that it only fell at free fall speed for part of its collapse (NIST latest report), it didn’t collapse into its own footprint any more than any of the others – which all projected steel beams a long way from them – and that there have now been fires which caused the collapse of a modern steel framed building.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  224. geokat62 says:

  225. Regulo says:
    @Morton's toes

    JFK was an American supremacist. He as senator made a speech before congress escoriating the French for being imperialist colonizers for being in Viet Nam and told them should leave. The minute the French did, he sent in the Americans.] to show up the French who could not defeat the commies themselves there?] He himself was an anti communist cold warrior fanatic which is why I don’t buy this revisionist narrative that he wanted to pull out of Viet Nam but those pesky cia deep state impeded him and had him killed. Total self serving speculation after the US lost that war and after JFK gets deified for having been assassinated; [ he must have been a good anti war guy and prescient too]. I agree with Chomsky that there was no plot to assassinate JFK; Oswald was a left wing fanatic who lucked out. He read in his local newspaper that Kennedy was coming to his town and that the motor cade would be passing right by the building he worked in; he had a birds eye view of the route. That was when he decided to kill the president; it was opportunistic and happenstance for the commie fanatic Oswald to get the anti commie fanatic!

  226. @FactChecker

    Sir Evelyn de Rothschild – the patriarch of the English branch of the Rothschild dynasty and the heir to the British throne, Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, in the chest! Who gets to poke royalty in the chest?

    Its Jacob, who The Simpsons‘ Mr Burns is modeled on. Given fellow zionist American Rupert Murdoch’s FOX broadcast the TV series, its a little ‘in-joke’ that they love to have at the goyem.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  227. @vot tak

    Um.. checked out the link. Noam Chomsky addressing the very center of Globalist/Leftist power:
    “The United Nations University”. Who knew this place existed? What is Chomsky’s message on immigration?…. lets see all the usual Globalist tripe… “duty to protect”… “natural right of access to the West”.. “consequences of colonialism”.. “racist xenophobia”….all the watch words of Globalist deceit and rabid Anti White bigotry. Again.. what were you trying to prove with these links? Chomsky the independent thinker? Get real.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  228. Biff says:
    @FactChecker

    Probably the key gateway to truth these days is the controlled demolition of building 7 on 9-11.

    Constantly focusing on building 7 building 7 building 7…. when ALL three buildings went down in a controlled demolition.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  229. Paul says:
    @anon8383892

    “Some won’t recognize this as what I assume is /sarc, since Chomsky is indeed printed on op-ed pages of _major_ newspapers.”

    Give some examples. You can’t because they do not exist.

    “Arguably his linguistics contributions aren’t particularly significant.”

    Noam Chomsky’s theory of generative grammar revolutionized linguistics and led to vitriolic debates at academic conferences with linguists who could not accept that they had been wrong.

    I will give you a brief lesson. The plural of sheep is sheep, not sheeps. Yet children will say sheeps. Why? Because they have come to recognize, without being taught, that an “s” sound is usually used to make a word plural. Humans pick up the basic rules of their language without being taught. The term often used is that humans are “hardwired” for language. Read Chomsky’s book Syntactic Structures before getting back to me. That way you will have some idea of what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @Poco
  230. Poco says:
    @Paul

    I’m frequently stunned when I read some academic who “revolutionized” a particular field. I read what they have to say with all of their jargon and footnotes, etc.. and realize they are saying something that I already knew. It just never occured to me that it was revolutionary or worth the time to write down what is self-evident and obvious. I think that is probably true for many people throughout history.

    • Replies: @Paul
  231. Paul says:
    @Poco

    LOL. Yeah, I’m sure you were an instant expert on generative grammar all along — no need to read the volumes written on the subject. You should have filled in all the linguists. When will your book on the subject be coming out?

  232. @Regulo

    If you think there was no conspiracy and everything was on the up and up, please identify the person who signed off on the motorcade route that required the Predidential limo to make a 90 degree right turn and then one block later make an about 130 degree left turn to get on the access route under the overpass that reduced the speed of the car to under 10 mph when secret service regulations required that when the limo was going past tall buildings it had to travel at a minimum of 40 mph? And can you explain why the limo driver braked the car after the first shot instead of putting the pedal to the metal at the sound of a shot which was also a secret service requirement for escaping danger?

    Only if you can. But if you can’t you’re just passing a lot of gas with your comments.

    • Replies: @Regulo
  233. @Regulo

    Millions upon millions of words have been written on this tragedy – so I’ll briefly flag a couple of points for you to follow up. It was a tragedy not just for JFK and family, but for the American people, as it’s been said “On the day of the Kennedy assassination, something died in the American psyche.” – Bill Moyers (I think?)

    If you believe ‘the Lone Gunman’ theory that Oswald was the sole assassin, clearly, you’ve never fired a rifle in your life – reloading and aiming at a moving target – 3 shots in 7 seconds? Yeah, right!

    Then there’s the awkward (from your POV ) last shot coming from JFK’s front right, (which is why his head went back and to the left) when the Texas Book Depository was behind him – we’ve all seen the footage hundreds of times! Luckily, the zionist Abraham Zapruder captured the event on film. Then, of course, is the decoy (distraction) of the Umbrella Lady whose identity was never revealed – just to prove it was a plot – and a well orchestrated one worked out to the last detail!

    The fact of the matter is: when there’s a change in Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) as there was on September 11th when the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, NORAD, was switched off for an hour with hijacked passenger airliners in the sky (see the Timeline) – we can know with certainty there’s a false flag unfolding. In JFK’s case, the SS were ordered to stand off the running rails of the motorcade to allow a free shot at the President, of course.

    JFK’s assassination was much, much more than just the US involvement in Vietnam. Kennedy was a highly intelligent man, a student of history and a war hero saving many of his own men on a patrol boat in the Pacific theater in WWII. (So he had had experience, is my point!) After the Bay of Pigs fiasco that the CIA sabotaged to embarrass him (same as the botched rescue ‘attempt’ of 444 US hostages in Iran, in 1979 to embarrass Carter to allow Reagan to win the 1980 election) – Kennedy had realized what he was up against. One could argue that led to his ‘Secret Societies’ speech that the general public assumed was about Communism, but was, in fact, much closer to home).

    After the Cuban Missile Crisis (in which humanity could’ve been wiped out) Kennedy had established good terms with the, then, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and was working towards ending the Cold War – which would’ve spelt disaster for the profits of the Military-Industrial Complex and the Wall St and City of London banks – all wars are banksters’ wars, remember? See: War Is a Racket by twice awarded, 5 star, Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler.

    And finally, as reported in the Washington Post, in 2002, audio tapes were found in the WH, in which Nixon (elected President in 1968) could be heard saying, referring to the Warren Commission which was set up to investigate the JFK assassination, [quote] “that f*cking hoax” – so, at least, one other US president – and a Republican president, knew that the “official narrative” was a concoction.

    So, the official narrative was a cover story. If you were to read this excellent, short article by an insider, Dr Paul Craig Roberts (a regular UR columnist) it would help you to understand that cover stories are used to control explanations. Why? Because Plausible Deniability must be maintained at all costs by the Elites – to keep ‘the sheeple’ participating as wage-slaves &/or debt-slaves in what is essentially a corrupt economic system, i.e., a kleptocracy.

    See (and save it, as its regularly hidden by Google which was established by zionist, Sergey Brin):
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/25/cover-stories-used-control-explanations/

    • Replies: @the shadow
  234. vot tak says:
    @JR Kipling

    You websayanim all work from the same playbook. Do you speak English, shlomo?

    Strawman and changing the goalposts, nice try bum bandit. You remind me of websayanim responding when someone points out israeli lies. Same sort of dishonest attempt to manipulate discussion. Nowhere in my comment do I discuss chomsky’s or mcdonald’s opinions about immigration. I simply pointed out your hero was lying, and you are well aware of this. Decent folk don’t reinforce the dishonesty of others. That is what propagandists do. Incidentally, I don’t really care what chomsky or mcdonald think about immigration. Or what you think you think about it, either. 😀

    Get yourself a better Hebrew to English translation dictionary, or better yet, remove your head from your arse. And brush your teeth.

    • Replies: @CBTerry
  235. Regulo says:
    @CamFree

    The status quo was to deny the possibility that a bunch of ‘backward’ desert Arabs could give the US ; a country that spent the whole 20th century dropping bombs on men women, children ,babies, with impunity ,could be given a taste of their own medicine! [ how dare they; didn’t God tell these people that when we drop bombs on civilians we’re good but when they do so, they’re evil? ] Alquada, contrary to the self serving US narrative, were not a bunch of fundamentalists fanatics[ though some were no doubt in their ranks just as there are Christian fundamentalist fanatics are in the US military] who could not bear US not being Muslims, but saw themselves as freedom fighters who opposed all ME governments and regimes which we or the soviets supported for cold war, below market oil and before that colonial benefits. Contrary to our self serving narrative the said regime and Alquada were enemies. These professed freedom fighters brought us to the knowledge that there could be consequences to US for our policies towards them; how dare they! We showed our true colors and our professed values; innocent till proven guilty, equal justice under the law, no cruel punishment, etc., went out the window that day! It is more satisfying to say we were attacked by irrational religious fanatics who hated us for not being Muslims, then to say it was blowback for our policies in their homelands; including but not limited to our vetoing with a simple stroke of a pen every UN resolution which would have brought a modicum of justice to the Palestinians.

  236. Regulo says:
    @the shadow

    The route was determined by the secret service and of course if you want to believe in an inside job conspiracy, you will say that the route chosen, whatever route that is, is indicative of an inside job by secret service. That is your belief. Show me how Oswald was connected with the secret service, in the time frame of when Kennedy decided to go to Dallas, till he got to Dallas. The fact that they reduced the speed of the car while turning is not suspicious ; how else do you turn under an overpass, and that building was not that tall; it was no sky scraper.Not putting the pedal to the metal in this unforeseen sudden occurrence is just a fog of war situation. Where did that sound come from; what was it, is another shot coming, all went through the mind of the driver.It’s one thing to prepare and another thing when it happens like the covid pandemic; all the agencies preparing for years for such biological catastrophes weaponized or natural and they were caught flat footed. Institutional careers whether secret service,driver or cdc/nih/cia meant to game out and prepare for trouble, ACTUAL catastrophic events are another matter.

    • Replies: @the shadow
  237. @Regulo

    So another conspiracy denier heard from. The reason organizations have rules and tasks and standards is that is the way its personnel are held accountable for their performance should they fail to follow them.

    Just your claiming that “Not putting the pedal to the metal in this unforeseen sudden occurrence is just a fog of war situation” proves your intellectual capability ranks below a brain dead moron. It is precisly for ensuring that members of the secret service act properly in unforeseen situations that they receive what? Training. Not just theoretical but practical. So they practice these situations, most like at Quantico – driving in a motorcade, shot fired, agent reaction. Any agent who braked the car in such circumstances would be fired instantaneously. The point of this training is to create muscle memory so the agent acts correctly in such circumstances without even having to think about it. The fact that Greer the driver didn’t immediately put pedal to the metal makes him suspect number one as a co-conspirator.

    To show you how basic doing this is, while I served at Ft. Belvoir, my unit conducted field training for West Point grads. One of the tests was ambushing a truck they were riding on. The driver was told to follow the instructions of the Lieutenant in command. So as soon as we sprang the ambush, the truck braked. A couple of them jumped off. Then the truck took off, leaving them behind and we captured them. It was good training because they flunked all around.

    So by your comment, you flunked big time, just like those West Pointers.

    So here is your final test to see if you actually can climb ahead of a brain dead moron.

    Take a careful look at the uncropped Altgen photo depicting JFK grabbing for his throat. The reaction of the SS agents and motorcycle cops shows that this picture had to be taken within the agents’ reaction time to the first shot, or less than one second. It by itself refutes your idiotic claim about the driver’s inability to react properly.

    Now carefully look at the car line up. After the JFK limo comes the SS follow up car; the LBJ limo follows that. Now take a very careful look. LBJ was seated with Lady Bird in the back seat. Two key things to look for – one is the position of the left rear door; the other where is LBJ depicted in that photo. Once you checked it to you heart’s content report back and tell us where LBJ is depicted in that photograph and how is the rear door positioned.

    This photo tells everything about who was involved in the JFK hit. But I’m not holding my breath waiting for you to come up with a response that identifies how the picture depicts the positioning of LBJ or the rear door and what that positioning signified about the actions of one the occupants and what it tells about his knowledge of things to come.

    Go ahead. Go for it. Your response will tell all.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  238. @Patagonia Man

    If you believe ‘the Lone Gunman’ theory that Oswald was the sole assassin, clearly, you’ve never fired a rifle in your life – reloading and aiming at a moving target – 3 shots in 7 seconds? Yeah, right!

    Certainly not with a bolt action rifle – but then again, he might not even know what that is. And on top of that, Oswald was using a misaligned scope for sighting. Actually, less than 7 seconds. Top Marine snipers couldn’t do it.

    Regulo, do you actually understanbd that to operate a bolt action rifle, you can’t keep the scope sighted on the target, requiring that you reaquire it after the recoil of each shot has pulled the rifle off target. Then you have to line up the scope to get a clear view through it to line up the next shot. Using a scope is completely unlike firing over open sights that you can much more quickly line up again on the target than using a scope.

    But my guess is you are clueless about all of this, which is why you imagine Oswald could have done it.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  239. @Biff

    Constantly focusing on building 7 building 7 building 7…. when ALL three buildings went down in a controlled demolition.

    Sure all three buildings went down. And all the other crap that happened that day fills multiple books. The problem with trying to tackle the whole thing is that multiple red herrings were also spread around as well as the possibility of advanced technologies being used as well as purposefully contradictory evidence planted.

    Our normie friends get stuck on the details — well, what about this? How about that? The mind naturally wants to solve the whole puzzle but will get jammed at the start if we saw off too big a piece.

    First we have to establish clearly that the official story is a lie. That is easiest with building 7 — no planes, no impact, no jet fuel explosion, etc. Then it’s obvious that all three buildings came down in controlled demolition.

    We have to deal with enough how to get us to why as soon as possible. What was the goal of the operation? Getting stuck arguing multiple theories is how they fuck us up all the time. We should avoid failing into their obviously laid traps.

    Learn from JFK

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  240. @Regulo

    Read JFK and the Unspeakable—Why He Died and Why It Matters by James Douglass. Once you understand this book, you’ll see why Chomsky’s arguments in Rethinking Camelot are history as bunk.

    Just this one thing will help. Chomsky keeps making the argument that “The Kennedy Administration” did this warlike action, the “Kennedy Administration” did this subversive or covert action. He doesn’t distinguish between the deep state and Kennedy— a deep state that is out of control, goes more and more against Kennedy’s wishes as his administration continues and ultimately decides to get rid of him and put the corrupt and compliant Johnson in office.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  241. @Wizard of Oz

    it only fell at free fall speed for part of its collapse (NIST latest report), It didn’t collapse into its own footprint any more than any of the others – which all projected steel beams a long way from them – and that there have now been fires which caused the collapse of a modern steel framed building.

    Look at the film of the building in near free fall for most of its trip down — that means almost no resistance—which is impossible if most of the building supports were in place. NIST doesn’t dispute this — they say a particular iron beam warped and gave way and then a cascading effect of collapse occurred. That’s not like an apple falling from a tree, straight down and accelerating.

    The collapse is also symmetrical—all the support across the whole horizontal level disappeared at the same time—impossible according to NIST’s theory.

    Because it was a symmetrical fall, the building debris ended up essentially in its footprint.

    I don’t see projected beams in the building 7 film (perhaps because of the angle) but they are obvious in building 1 and 2’s collapse. Apparently the beams weighed at least a ton and traveled a few hundred feet. That also is proof of explosions, not the building just tumbling down. Enough force to project a steel beam that weighs greater than a ton a few hundred few is a lot of horizontal force. If the building collapsed due to pancaking floors, all the forces acting on those beams should have been vertical in nature, due to gravity, not horizontal.

    I looked for examples of tall buildings collapsing and only found two — both were older, built in the 60’s. The one in Iran fell during the day and you can see large sections holding together and falling over sideways. Makes sense.

    The one in Brazil was at night and the mobile phone recordings aren’t good enough to see much detail. However, several things stand out — the building was completely engulfed in flames for quite a while. It had been abandoned 17 years ago and the elevators had been removed. 90 squatter families lived in it. It hadn’t been maintained in those 17 years. It had been stripped of copper and no doubt many other things of value. The squatters had used the elevator shafts as a garbage dump and had replaced the torn-out walls with plywood for privacy — both factors acting as fuel sources for the fire.

    Neither building reflects the situation of building 7’s collapse.

    Don’t forget all the firefighters reporting multiple explosions before the collapse, in the form of boom-boom-boom-boom (equally spaced or “timed” explosions).

    Since 9-11 is perhaps the key event of the 21st century to date (due to the resultant Afghan and Iraq wars, drone war, the patriot act, torture regime and the surveillance state), your lack of interest in understanding a few key details is puzzling for someone who spends so much time on Unz.

    • Replies: @the shadow
    , @Wizard of Oz
  242. CBTerry says:
    @vot tak

    That second paragraph starting with “Strawman” is cut and pasted from an earlier response to myself [see Comment 135]. How upsetting: I thought I was special.

    Still, I have to admit that any riposte that eloquent is worth repeating.

  243. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Someone’ was ‘lying’ re the Pentagon?

    [MORE]

    “9/11 CNN Pentagon Report – NO PLANE – Only Aired Once
    00:00 actually was bob franken with and
    00:01 eyewitness who said it appeared that
    00:03 that Boeing 757 the American jet
    00:06 American Airlines jet landed short of
    00:09 the Pentagon can you give us any better
    00:12 idea of how much of the plane actually
    00:13 impacted the building you know it might
    00:16 have appeared that way but from my
    00:18 close-up inspection there’s no evidence
    00:20 of a plane having crashed anywhere near
    00:22 the Pentagon the only site is the actual
    00:26 side of the building that’s crashed in
    00:27 and as I said the only pieces left
    00:30 that you can see are small enough that
    00:32 you could pick up in your hand there are
    00:34 no large tail sections wing sections a
    00:37 fuselage nothing like that anywhere
    00:39 around which would indicate that the
    00:41 entire plane crashed into the side of
    00:43 the Pentagon and then caused the side to
    00:46 collapse now even though if you look at
    00:47 the pictures of the Pentagon you see
    00:49 that the floors have all collapsed that
    00:51 didn’t happen immediately
    00:52 it wasn’t until almost about 45 minutes
    00:55 later that the structure was weakened “

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  244. @FactChecker

    not if her’s a hasbarah helper.

  245. ” . . . he also has an very large blind spot when it comes to Jewish power. ”

    That’s because ‘Jewish power’ is detraction from the ‘real’ centre of power. That is the U.S. plutocracy?

  246. @FactChecker

    I’ll keep an open mind until a few engineering profs of undoubted clout back up your points. The nanothermite issue is in an unsatisfactory state. The Wikipedia article (here not suspect) says NIST did not test materials from the debris for which it might have been able to trace the origins and trail of possession. Whether nano termite could have been used and achieved the same result remains disputed however. Clearly there are a lot of people who are not going to be satisfied until another inquiry is held. The trouble is I suppose, not least in the minds of those who could arrange a new inquiry, is that believers in conspiracy theories tend not to give up. They are unlikely to be persuaded.

    Amongst my reasons for remaining sceptical of truther theories is that having planes hijacked and flown into buildings would probably be enough to inspire action against ME enemies without taking the enormous risk of one of the aircraft impact plus demolition plans going away and explosives being discovered in one (or more) of the buildings. BTW it seems that Silverstein”s ‘ new insurance policies only covered WTC 1 and 2 which had just bought and which had to be insured to secure finance. WTC 7 did not have its insurance updated I understand. Mind you it has occurred to me that someone of suspicious cast of mind would point to it being just the three buildings owned by Silverstein which were demolished deliberately on 9/11 – if indeed that was the case. But I haven’t heard that, neither the facts about ownership or the making something of the coincidence.

    • Replies: @the shadow
  247. @james charles

    Do you think the fact that there are about five or six mutually incompatible descriptions of what allegedly happened on 9/11 is because attempts are being made to discredit the whole truther movement by spreading absurd theories. Don’t you regard the nuclear device theory as nonsense? And any theory which requires crews and passengers to be magically cancelled? Just for example.

    • Replies: @james charles
  248. @Wizard of Oz

    Play the wo/man, not the ball?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  249. @james charles

    No, just conversation. I don’t feel inclined to examine the details of many more commenters” pet theories or snapshots of what they presumably think are important facts but it would interest me to read whatever answer you might give to my question.

    • Replies: @james charles
  250. @Wizard of Oz

    Mind you it has occurred to me that someone of suspicious cast of mind would point to it being just the three buildings owned by Silverstein which were demolished deliberately on 9/11 – if indeed that was the case.

    Excuse me, but it occurred to me soon after it happened and after I found out he controlled the property after the buildings collapsed. That made it solid circumstantial proof.

    What nailed it was when it was revealed that as the lessee the lease granted him the unheard of control over the property about what was to be done with it. What made this beyond odd is that it is otherwise black letter law that if the object of a lease is destroyed (such as the buildings mysteriously collapse into total rubble), the lease terminates because the landlord no longer has a building to rent and is therefore no longer obligated to fulfill the condition that has become impossible that he provide the space being leased, and by the same token, the tenant no longer has to pay rent on a building that doesn’t exist. Nobody knew of a lease that contained the terms that gave Silverstein control over site after the buildings were desroyed.

    What nails it as circumstantial evidence he had a crystal ball of the future is the lease was finalized, I believe, about two months before the buildings collapsed. Imagine the foresight to insist on that incredibly singular clause in a lease that would in two months turn into a reality that gave him full control over that property and made him super-rich to boot.

    Who would have thought such a thing could happen. Well, if you knew 911 was in the offing, it was buying the jackpot lottery ticket knowing those were the winning numbers.

    And BTW, the head of the authority who negotiaged this sweetheart provision was, of course, Jewish, as is Silverstein.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  251. @the shadow

    Are you a lawyer with specific knowledge of real estate law and practice? My online search doesn’t suggest the legal position is quite as clear cut as you describe it. What if the lawyer handling the lease for him says to him “Larry I know you are pretty keen on the detail in your real estate transactions, and this is one where I assume you would want to look hard at the standard features of the lease. For example, I wonder if you are happy with the standard clause on destruction or damage by fire”.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  252. I did. And in case of total destruction as happened on 911 the landlord can declare it destroyed and terminate the lease. Now it is, of course, possible to vary that condition as Silverstein managed to do with the conniving of the WTC landlord. I am not contesting that part. It is that the landlord would grant him the right in the first place, and Silverstein would demand it unless they knew the impossible was about to happen since only by entirely blowing up the building could that condition have been created. I mean, the explosion in the basement barely shook the windows, and even the planes flying into the buildings would not have destroyed them. Johnson the architect who designed it said so.

  253. @FactChecker

    Quite right. Not only was it the perfect crime – a murder in broad daylight, in full view of his nation, one arrest, with no charges laid and no convictions made but JFK’s assassination was a coup d’etat – the removal of a democratically-elected President (no matter what we think of his policies) what we would call these days Regime Change.

    The real scary thing is the people who plotted it have only been emboldened and now clandestinely run the show, i.e., there’s no opposition, the USA has effectively become a One Party state!!!

    In 2018, Robert F Kennedy Jr published a memoir American Values ~ Lessons I Learned From My Family. At age 64, RFK Jr is the first of the Kennedy family to finger the assassins of his uncle. Typically, it was largely ignored by the US media.

    However there’s a wonderful review on UR regular’s columnist Dr Paul Craig Roberts’ site – if you haven’t got the time to read the whole book.

    Cheers

    • Agree: the shadow
  254. @the shadow

    Ol’ OzWiz says:

    I’ll keep an open mind until a few engineering profs of undoubted clout back up your points

    [emphasis mine]

    So, apparently the 3,244 architects & engineers and 26,612 members of the general public (AE911Truth website, 1 March 1, 2020) isn’t good enough for our ol’ OzWiz, hehe!

    Firstly, what he’s said is an appeal to authority, i.e., argumentum ad verecundiam (See Laws of Logic).

    Secondly, when you listen to Chomsky speak about A & E for 911 Truth, he also invalidates/dismisses them – and then goes on to say none of them are qualified enough (in Chomsky’s mind) to comment/question the event.

    So ol’ OzWiz ‘sings from the same songsheet’ as Chomsky. Also, if you observe his ‘replies’ to other contributors of this site, he dissembles most times, or asks for more info (which he’s quite capable of searching for himself) more often than not.

    True, I am hypervigilant for these apparatchiks, after my FB account was disabled (without an explanation, btw) so we live with operatives/trolls around us.

    The Cabal hate the truth coming out.

  255. @anon8383892

    Very good points. One example of a “willful mofo” who bucked the pressure to conform, despite his enormous success and public visibility, was the Italian poet/novelist/filmmaker/essayist/polemicist Pier Paolo Pasolini. And so they killed him in 1975, at a time when the Gladio networks were killing a lot of people and trying to undermine the massive popular will to change society in Italy.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  256. @Wizard of Oz

    What if the lawyer handling the lease for him says to him “Larry I know you are pretty keen on the detail in your real estate transactions, blah, blah, blah…

    Really? You’re going to start making up hypothetical excuses in conversations we were not privy to?

    You were born a few generations too late. You could have had a great career as a tap dancer in vaudeville.

    It is apparent you have little interest in truth. It’s a sad way to live, no matter how much you are paid.

    Btw, it’s going to be sunny in Tel Aviv next week. Hit the beach and soak up the sunshine — vitamin D protects against covid. And stop rebelling against your Messiah—it’s not going to end well.

  257. @Nosquat Loquat

    Thanks for mentioning this — Very interested in Operation Gladio as a key signpost on road to exposing the cryptocracy but never heard that Pasolini was a target.

    Quick search turned up one of his late essays, exposing this psyop. Not hard to see why it would cost him his life.

    Amazing insight on his part to see this deeply into something that wouldn’t come to the surface until many years later. He even labels it a strategy of tension, which later writers adopted to categorize the main psyop.

    I know.

    I know the names of those responsible for what will come to be known as a “military coup d’etat” (and this, in reality, is a series of “instituted military coups d’etats” systematized for the protection of power).

    I know the names of those responsible for the massacre of Milan on 12th December 1969.

    I know the names of those responsible for the massacres of Brescia and Bologna in the first months of 1974.

    I know the names of the “apex” that has maneuvered it thus, they are the old original fascists of this “military coup”, they are the neo-fascist materialist authors of the first massacres, they are, lastly, the “unknown” materialist authors of the more recent massacres.

    I know the names of those who have managed the two different sides, indeed, the two opposites. It is made up of a tension: firstly, an anti-communist phase (Milan 1969) and a second anti-fascist phase (Brescia and Bologna 1974).

    I know the names of the powerful group who, with the aid of the CIA (and a second-rate group of Greek colonels in the mafia) they’d created previously (the rest failed badly), with one crusading anti-communist, the plug in the dam of ’68, and later on, always with the aid and the inspiration of the CIA, reconstituted anti-fascist virginity, and plugged up the disaster of the “referendum”.

    https://thefiendjournal.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/the-last-article-of-pier-paolo-pasolini-i-know/

    Two huge aspects of Operation Gladio that he couldn’t have been aware of because they occurred essentially out of public view is Mafia drug running and the role of the Vatican Bank to launder the cash.

    A few books very worth reading:

    Quite an eye opener—
    Operation Gladio: The Alliance between the Vatican, The CIA and The Mafia

    https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Gladio-Alliance-Between-Vatican/dp/B00WAFNR7G/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=operation+gladio&qid=1589431831&sr=8-1

    The following is based on very original research work done for a PhD dissertation that focuses on the military and terror aspects. Glad I got my copy before prices went through the roof.

    Reinforces the theme in other countries, broader in scope and touches on things that more current.
    The CIA as Organized Crime

  258. Anybody who spilled what he said he knew could expect to get killed as the gangster had to silence him.

    Everything you wrote said is right on point and exposes the hidden truths those who drink the cool aid are terrified to glimpse so they deny it to avoid terminal dissonance.

    Creating tension is, of course, the perfect fuel for generating fear.

  259. FB says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Ann, I watched the Chomsky documentary under discussion here and found it very useful…

    The criticism of Chomsky that he is soft on Israel and especially soft on Jewish power may have some truth to it…however, how much of the problem that we are facing today, in terms of declining living standards and life opportunities, rising household debt, decline in affordable higher education etc can be laid at the feet of so-called Jewish power or Jewish influence…?

    I don’t know the answer to that question myself, but certainly it is easy to blame a certain group…or better yet, both Jews and blacks, for all the troubles…

    These same people will also badmouth socialism, while having no actual experience with it…for instance I spent a year in East Germany in the early 1980s as an exchange student…I know firsthand that many of the German friends I still have would prefer to go back to the old system…this is in fact the case with much of the East European population, as polls continue to show…

    So it’s best to take with a grain of salt the wild nonsense you will hear from ignoramuses here who think the problems of capitalist greed, of which the Jews may only be a symptom, not the disease, can all be laid at the feet of the Jews…

    China’s people have increased their quality of life in every possible way under a communist system, that actually can be shown objectively to care about its people…who is in charge of America’s system…?

    It’s the tiny slice of extremely wealthy people who are invested in the corporate system, in the Wall Street system…in the wasteful system of global empire and foreign wars…etc…

    Do they actually care about increasing your standard of living…?

    Do these people also care about whether your bright daughter will ever have a chance to realize her potential as a medical doctor, or aerospace engineer…?

    Or do they care simply about continuing to extract wealth from your life’s work as a worker ant in their maze…?

    With no say whatsoever about whatever indignity or injustice or just plain wrong way of doing things is heaped upon you and your family, and your neighbors and your townsfolk…?

    If you ask these questions honestly you will find that people like Chomsky do give some very useful insights and food for thought…

    Does Chomsky have all the answers…?

    Nobody does…and certainly I continue to be outraged about the out of control criminality that is the Israeli occupation as well as the Jewish influence on our financialized economic way of life…but the solution is to FIX those systems…which are being controlled by oligarchs and plutocrats and not just ‘Jews’…

  260. I’ve never heard Chomsky say anything truly meaningful about the problem’s that exist in America.
    Why is that?
    Oh, right…he’s a lying Jew.

  261. nah says:
    @Olivier1973

    In the comments of that article:

    “In the case of WTC-7 I don’t think they were anticipating youtube (2005) and the ability for people to watch the video over and over again. I think they thought that WTC-7 would just be buried and forgotten amid all the other consternation.”

    Excellent point.

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