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Earlier this month, popular ‘progressive’ news website The Intercept published an article entitled “From El Paso to Sarajevo: How White Nationalists Are Inspired by the Bosnia Genocide”, written by journalist and staff writer Murtaza Hussain . The piece argued that many of the perpetrators behind mass shootings and domestic terrorism in the West — from the convicted far right extremist behind the 2011 Norway attacks to the suspect charged in the recent mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand — were influenced by ethnic cleansing committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims during the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s.

Hussain uses a one-sided and Western-centric account of the inter-ethnic conflict in the Balkans to assess the Islamophobia burgeoning in Europe and the United States today. His analogy employs the same misreading used by NATO to facilitate the dismemberment of the former Yugoslavia and justify its illegal military intervention and war crimes against Serbia. It is an irresponsible variety of yellow journalism that should be ruthlessly critiqued whenever it appears, especially at a news organization which purports to be “fearless, adversarial journalism that holds the powerful accountable.” It also does nothing to help address the growing foundations of fascism by diverting attention away from its real origins.

Hussain begins by accurately noting that the Australian-born suspect behind the massacre at Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Islamic Center in Christchurch, New Zealand, Brenton Tarrant, during his live-stream video prior to the carnage played the songRemove Kabab”( “Serbia Strong”), an upbeat patriotic tune that pays tribute to former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić. Removed from the context of the Yugoslav Wars, the Serbian folk song and its accompanying wartime propaganda video were rediscovered by Western right-wing fanatics like Tarrant when it became a popular internet meme among the online fringe as an anthem for the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in reaction to the influx of refugees from the European migrant crisis. The infamous convicted terrorist behind the July 2011 mass shooting and car bombing in Norway, Anders Breivik, also expressed affinity for the Serbs in his epic manifesto and was cited as an influence by Tarrant. However, despite the article title the author provides no evidence whatsoever to support the implication that the El Paso shooter, 21-year old Patrick Crusius, was in any way motivated by the Balkan conflict.

Brentan Tarrant also wrote the names of several historical Serbian military figures who fought against the Ottoman Empire in previous centuries in Cyrillic on his semi-automatic rifle used to carry out the slaughter. Curiously, he also wrote ‘Skanderbeg’, a legendary national hero of Albania who as a medieval military commander defected from the Ottoman Turks and prevented their expansion toward western Europe in the 15th century. Despite his historical legacy of rescuing ‘Christendom’ from an Islamic empire to which Tarrant was likely referring, Skanderbeg holds varying significance to different peoples and for the predominantly Muslim Albanians he is viewed as a source of national pride and identity.

During WWII when Albania was under the Axis Powers sphere of influence, it was Muslim volunteers who formed the nucleus of the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian), whose foremost victims were Christian Orthodox Serbs, in addition to Jews and Roma . In the Yugoslav Wars, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA ) de-listed terrorist group backed by NATO which fought against Serbia sought to establish the modern equivalent of the ethnically pure ‘Greater Albania’ as envisioned by Benito Mussolini during WWII in the Kosovo protectorate. So if the Australian-born gunman was incited by Balkan history, it is because he was as confused and unknowledgeable about the complex subject as Hussain, given that he also wrote the number 14 on his firearm in reference to “the 14 words” from Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

Before falsifying the history of the Yugoslav Wars, Hussain does correctly observe that:

“The Balkans are often condescendingly stereotyped as a backward region stuck in the grip of old prejudices. In reality, Serbs, Croats, and Muslims had lived together as compatriots in the former Yugoslavia for a long time before violent demagogues came to power; it took years of effort during the late 1980s and early 1990s for ultranationalist leaders to drum up the level of fear and hatred necessary for war to start.”

Unfortunately, the author does not bother to investigate why they had successfully lived together in harmony as southern slavs for decades (under socialism), nor how such leaders took power and incited the different ethnicities into warring with each other as the country disintegrated, as if everything occurred in a vacuum. Following WWII, partisan leader Josip Broz Tito had indeed united the various Yugoslav peoples in congruity under a popular motto that the country consisted of ‘six republics, five nationalities, four languages, three religions, two alphabets — but one Yugoslav.’ Even the most fervent critics of socialism admit the republic was a relative success as it enjoyed freedom from being undermined by economic embargo as a neutral ‘non-aligned’ country during the Cold War after relations soured between Stalin and Tito and it became a strategic buffer between the West and the Soviets.

Following Tito’s death in 1980, a series of austerity programs sponsored by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) were put into effect and much like a recent study concluded regarding Weimar Germany in the 1930s, the gutting of the welfare system and the social fabric led to a resurgence of right-wing nationalism in the Balkans. Yugoslavia went through the same neoliberal ‘shock therapy’ as Chile the decade prior when Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger sent the CIA to “make the economy scream” to prevent Salvador Allende from taking power, as well as post-Soviet Russia which the author’s The Intercept colleague Naomi Klein described so thoroughly in The Shock Doctrine. Yet for Hussain, the driving force in Yugoslavia’s downfall was bigotry itself, somehow isolated from the disaster capitalism forced upon it.

As only an empire denialist could overlook, Hussain makes no mention of the “encouragement of racism” on the part of U.S. imperialism, beginning with the coercive diplomacy of the 1991 Foreign Operations Appropriation Act which instigated the separatist movements by providing aid exclusively to the republics that seceded and declared independence at the exclusion of the Yugoslav government. After the bill was passed by congress at the behest of the George H.W. Bush administration, only the federation of Serbia and Montenegro remained under the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. According to a declassified memorandum, the CIA had already been anticipating this collapse for several years.

Suddenly, much of the population consisting of the many different ethnic communities of the Balkans found themselves trapped within various newly formed ethno-nation states that were not their own overnight. They then began establishing proto-states within these new republics, spurring violent conflicts and territorial disputes resulting in ethnic cleansing (on all sides) across the country. Yugoslavia did not implode simply because of its own internal contradictions, but was the subject of exploitation by a more powerful outside actor seeking to economically and militarily dominate the Caspian Sea region in order to gain access to its crude oil and natural gas resources.

Serbian nationalism only saw a resurgence within Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina once Serbs became hostages under new hostile regimes, when we were told by the NATO acolytes in corporate media that it was Belgrade who were the real nationalists even though most Serbians still identified as Yugoslavs and generally wished to preserve the federation being partitioned. In fact, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague posthumously concluded that the late Serbian and Yugoslav president Slobodan Milošević, who died mysteriously while in custody on trial in the Netherlands, was not responsible for war crimes committed during the Bosnian war. When Radovan Karadžić was convicted by the ICTY, it was determined the Bosnian Serbs acted on their own accord and were frequently at variance with Belgrade on the execution of the war:

“Based on the evidence before the Chamber regarding the diverging interests that emerged between the Bosnian Serb and Serbian leaderships during the conflict and in particular, Milošević’s repeated criticism and disapproval of the policies and decisions made by the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership, the Chamber is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milošević agreed with the common plan.”

Serbs certainly committed their share of war crimes, but why do Western journalists dare not speak of the thousands of Serbs ethnically cleansed in Croatia from the self-proclaimed quasi-state of Krajina? Or the mass deportations of Serbs from Kosovo in the years since? The innocent heroes and stigmatized villains were pre-selected and to do so would be actual “fearless, adversarial journalism.” Many of the war crimes committed by Muslims against Serbs and Croats in the Yugoslav Wars were by foreign mujahideen volunteers whose ranks even consisted of two of the future 9/11 hijackers — the Saudi nationals Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — who allegedly seized American Airlines Flight 77 and crashed it into The Pentagon. Their barbaric acts included beheadings of Serb victims that were likely inspired by the Ustaše who did the same in WWII.

Hussain repeatedly refers to what took place in Bosnia as a “genocide”, citing the dubious Srebrenica massacre in July 1995. While it is certain that a horrific war crime took place in the town, to use such a politicized term is a slanted parroting of the NATO interventionist narrative. Virtually all of the victims were Bosniak Muslim men and boys as the Bosnian Serbs had specifically evacuated women and children from the enclave and the disputed, highly inflated quantity of Bosniak victims were mostly likely a combination of fatalities from the battle for the town and retaliatory summary executions by Bosnian Serbs once they besieged the territory. Prior to the incident, Srebrenica had been under the protection of the UN peacekeeping forces which Bosnian Muslim warlord Naser Orić had used to shield his militias following their routine attacks on neighboring Serb villages whose losses also numbered in the thousands. UN General Phillipe Morillon testified that the Srebrenica massacre was motivated by retribution for the war crimes committed by Orić:

“JUDGE ROBINSON: Are you saying, then, General, that what happened in 1995 was a direct reaction to what Naser Orić did to the Serbs two years before?

THE WITNESS: Yes. Yes, Your Honour. I am convinced of that. This doesn’t mean to pardon or diminish the responsibility of the people who committed that crime, but I am convinced of that, yes.”

If there were deliberate killings of large groups based on their ethnonationality on all sides, then what occurred was part of a civil war, not “genocide.” Noam Chomsky observed that while NATO based its intervention on the g-word, one of its member states in Turkey was carrying out far worse atrocities against Kurds and that to use the term was an insult to the victims of the Nazis in the region’s past. Who were the principal victims of the Ustaše and the Nazi puppet regime of the Independent State of Croatia during WWII? Serbs. It is also incredible that for a journalist so fixated on neo-fascism, Hussain did not find it significant that Bosnia and Herzegovina President Alija Izetbegović had been a literal member of the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS “Handschar” (1st Croatian) in his youth during WWII when Bosnia was under the Ustaše and did three years in prison under Tito for his offense.

Why did the UN peacekeepers fail to protect Srebrenica? It is an important question considering it brought the real turning point in the war. Not long after, NATO launched Operation Deliberate Force against Ratko Mladić’s forces resulting in the Bosnian Serbs capitulating to a return to negotiations in the Dayton Accord later that year. The former mayor of Srebrenica, Hakija Meholjić, claimed the town was deliberately sacrificed as part of a ‘red line’ agreement between Izetbegović and U.S. President Bill Clinton in a ‘false flag’ to prompt the NATO intervention, as shown in a 2008 Wikileaks Cable:

“Meholjic suggested that Bosniak leaders “sold” Srebrenica to the RS (and abetted genocide) when “key members of the international community started saying publicly that enclaves cannot survive.” (Note: Oric, who left Srebrenica in 1993, was not asked to defend it in 1995; ever since there have been accusations that the then Bosnian leadership deliberately allowed the enclave to fall.”

Hussain truly loses any remaining “progressive” credibility when he goes on to praise the Otpor! political organization which organized protests that led to the ouster of “dictator” Milošević (actually thrice democratically-elected) in 2000 following the three month NATO bombing campaign the previous year which left Serbia with the highest cancer rate in Europe from the use of depleted uranium ammunition, “justified” by the same lopsided argument made in the article. Otpor! was portrayed as a bona fide, grassroots movement while behind the scenes it was the recipient of millions of dollars from the US government through “soft power” NGOs and CIA-fronts like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the US Agency for International Development (USAID), and George Soros’ Open Society Institute, financed by the non-profit industrial complex or what author Arundhati Roy has called the “NGO-ization of resistance.” The success of Otpor! became the formula for Western regime change operations via indistinguishable “pro-democracy” Color Revolutions throughout Eastern Europe in the ensuing decade. Documentary filmmaker Boris Maligurski’s The Weight of Chains series is an excellent overview of the history of Yugoslavia and its first two installments are highly recommended, while the trailer for the forthcoming third film was just released.

Perhaps the reason Hussain unquestioningly heaps praise upon Otpor! is the enormous undisclosed conflict of interest on the part of The Intercept’s ownership in billionaire entrepreneur and eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, who established the site’s parent organization First Look Media. In The CIA as Organized Crime, journalist and author Douglas Valentine explains how Omidyar’s “philanthropic” investment firm co-financed with the U.S. State Department many of the NGOs in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution such as Center UA which flipped the 2004 Ukrainian election results to a pro-Western candidate. It went on to do the same funding the Euromaidan protests and subsequent coup in 2014 and both so-called Color Revolutions were modeled on the Otpor! movement . Then again, the entire premise behind First Look Media is suspect considering it made its name covering the revelations by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden while Omidyar’s eBay simultaneously owns Paypal, one of the biggest backers of NSA surveillance. What better way to commandeer dissent then to throw money at journalists?

Hussain also eagerly mentions that “Russian volunteers” participated in the killings at Srebrenica, omitting the equal number of Greek militiamen. This is another instance of thinly veiled Russophobia and the assignment of guilt towards Moscow for the rise of the far right in the West. Its intention is to include Russia within The Clash of Civilizations narrative which is itself a hypothesis for ‘remaking the world order’ through a division and conquering of Eurasia. Hussain does so by isolating the Yugoslav Wars from its context and weaponizing the region‘s history so as to deflect fault for the Islamophobia in the Anglosphere. However, Samuel P. Huntington excluded the Christian Orthodox nations of Russia and Serbia from his “core civilizations” and rather considered them ‘torn countries’ among the major civilizations. In Brenton Tarrant’s mind he may have been elevating the Yugoslav Wars through his act of terrorism, when all he accomplished was provide ammunition for the Western yellow press to further slander the Serbian victims of U.S. imperialism and drag their name through the mud for something they had nothing to do with.

As for the mass shooting in El Paso, the author should try directing the blame closer to home. One can’t help but be reminded of the brilliant observation made by documentary filmmaker Michael Moore (before he became a shill for the Democratic Party) who made a connection between the Columbine High School shooting and its occurrence in the midst of the unilateral “humanitarian intervention” in Yugoslavia on the day the U.S. dropped the most amount of bombs in the Kosovo campaign which he further examined in his film Bowling For Columbine. President Clinton had to give two press conferences the morning of April 20th, 1999 — one addressing the Columbine massacre and another giving an explanation for the NATO killing of civilians in Serbia.

American society is suffering from a severely disconnected collective psyche when it fails to make a connection between mass shootings domestically and its endless wars abroad, the real catalyst for the Islamophobic reaction to the refugee crisis. U.S. gun culture is a product of the Cold War which conditioned a mass psychology of fear and liberals shedding crocodile tears who think gun control legislation is somehow a solution to the problem when it would only put a small band-aid on a much deeper wound are unwilling to explore the real roots of the issue. It’s true the U.S. is the only country that suffers from routine mass shootings like in El Paso and Dayton, but the U.S. is also the only country with 800+ military bases in more than 80 countries around the world while currently bombing 7 different nations. America is an insecure, terrified country that resolves everything with violence, at home and abroad, and until this connection is recognized, mass shootings like El Paso will likely continue just like our wars.

Max Parry is an independent journalist and geopolitical analyst. His work has appeared in Counterpunch, Global Research, Dissident Voice, Greanville Post, OffGuardian, American Herald Tribune and more. Max may be reached at [email protected]

 
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  1. The ‘Serbia Strong’ song noted above, its soundtrack unfortunately used in the ‘Tarrant’ video, has an interesting history, and some of those who performed in that video are on the web today talking about that experience.

    The main lyric of the song, roughly ‘We Fight – Glory to Our Freedom’, has resonated. The song is not really any more ‘racist-nationalist’ than other ‘patriotic’ items in other countries about resisting foreign incursions.

    ‘Serbia Strong’ is somewhat of a moving video, because it was done on a break by real soldiers facing death in battle, fighting for their homeland, in a war and homeland they eventually lost.

    ‘Serbia Strong’, dating from the early 1990s, was made near Knin now in Croatia, then under Serbian control, for Serbian Knin-TV, by Bosnian Serb fighters for the 1992-95 Republika Srpska ‘Serb Republic’, a post-Yugoslavian state led by now-imprisoned Dr Radovan Karadzic, a state with territory over parts of now Bosnia-Herzegovina & Croatia.

    The Serb soldiers were fighting on 2 fronts, combating both Western-backed Muslims, and fighting Croats resentful of 70+ years of Serb dominance in what had been ‘Yugoslavia’. It was a tragic situation, badly handled by the Serbs.

    The musicians were Ninad Tintor, trumpet; Novislav Djajic, accordion (apparently not man with same name imprisoned); Zeljko Grmusa, voice; and Slobodan Vrga, keyboard, the keyboardist on the web today talking about the song’s history, and having his own YouTube channel. The musicians of the four still online today, denounced the association with the ChristChurch events.

    The original HQ video fell under Croat control when they took over Knin, and is said to be in hands of Croats who will not release it. The only versions of the video we see, have post-production modifications, principally adding Karadzic court trial images in an attempt to humiliate Serbs.

    But this has backfired, due to how, whatever happened in Balkan wars, Hague trials are widely seen as unjust stitch-ups – Serb defendants turning up dead, rude Hague judges, twisted and uncertain ‘evidence’, whilst no ‘trials’ for, e.g., Bill Clinton bombing Serbia & killing thousands of women & children. So in a way, the edited versions of ‘Serbia Strong’, also point to a theme of biased ‘Victors’ Justice’ after one loses ethnic wars.

    This version of the video seems closest to the original, tho regrettably posted with an offensive islamophobic title … lyrics for ‘Serbia Strong’ in both English and Latin-letter Serbo-Croatian are found easily online

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  2. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    Brilliant article. Especially about the last part where the source of mass shootings are discussed.

    Sadly, there is no hope for the U.S. unless someone invents pills that instantly raise intelligence, empathy and courage this country is doomed and even worse a danger to the world at large.

    Russia should nuke the U.S before the U.S takes down the world. Now is the time to do it before the U.S develops its own hypersonic missiles. I recognize Russia will likely be destroyed. But someone has to take one for the team. If Russia was martyred the world would owe them such a massive global debt for their liberation from the Anglo-zionist empire.

    I BEG YOU RUSSIA, DESTROY THE U.S NOW!!!

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Wally
  3. The Serbs were way out of order in how they behaved during the Yugoslav wars, they couldn’t stand to see Serb-dominated Yugoslavia disintegrate (as it was in effect Greater Serbia) and decided that they have some sort of absolute right to rule over the entire Balkans and to genocide anyone who stood in the way of that aim.

    Serbs frequently come out with lies like Albanians are not native to the Balkans when the reality is Albanians have a much stronger claim to being Balkan natives than the Serbs do. Serbs are Slavic newcomers to the Balkans relatively speaking whereas the Albanian language is clearly the successor to the native Thraco-Illyrian native Balkan language. Serbs have behaved like a bunch of vicious thugs, anyone who defends them is either very naive and doesn’t understand the region or is a sociopath. Serbs like to claim victimhood but it’s not by chance that basically everyone in that region despises them, the only support Serbs have is from naive nationalist types not familiar with the Balkans who they can bamboozle with their lies.

  4. anonymous[960] • Disclaimer says:

    This event ushered in full-spectrum, 24/7, propaganda, lying on a massive scale in all media. Magazine articles and books quickly cranked out, newspapers ran fake news, public appearances by various politicians and celebrities, everything one can think of. Fake stories about concentration camps with faked photos, the most notorious one being that of the emaciated looking person shown with barbed wire in front of him; the photo was cropped so one didn’t see that there was no wire a few feet away. Very impressive how it was all so coordinated. The Clintons lead one of the most scurrilous ethnic hate campaigns in American history.
    The US and some allies were behind the destruction of Yugoslavia and then supported some of the factions. Clinton allowed hundreds of Iranian troops to come in as well as jihadi fanatics from Muslim countries to come in where they proceeded to commit many atrocities. Use of cancer causing depleted uranium weapons was allowed against Christian Europeans, another perfidious act by the US which apparently recognizes no rules or law but that of force. Today so-called Bosnia is just a shadow of it’s former self, a place with no future. Much of this seems to have gone down the memory hole for most of the public.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Malacaay
  5. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Most of the world, particularly the Americans, are against “British rule in Ireland” yet many if not most of the same people think Serbia has the right to dominate and rule the surrounding countries and that they are victims if anyone tries to stop them. USA-funded IRA bombs in the UK were as bad as US bombs on Belgrade, yet no one seems to care about British civilian deaths like they care about Serb civilian deaths. Such bizarre double standards.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  6. @Europe realist

    Serbs are Slavic newcomers to the Balkans relatively speaking whereas the Albanian language is clearly the successor to the native Thraco-Illyrian native Balkan language.

    As far as the language goes, that is not as clear as you claim. Not that I care either way. Albanians have obviously “earned” their right to be where they are regardless of how ancient (or not) their origins are.

    Serbs like to claim victimhood but it’s not by chance that basically everyone in that region despises them,

    Serbian nationalism is no worse than any neighboring nationalism, and they’re all pretty awful. And Serbs are in no way unique in being hated by all their neighbors. (I don’t think Romanians have any huge grudge against Serbs though.)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  7. Ron Unz says:
    @silviosilver

    Serbian nationalism is no worse than any neighboring nationalism, and they’re all pretty awful. And Serbs are in no way unique in being hated by all their neighbors. (I don’t think Romanians have any huge grudge against Serbs though.)

    Yes, my strong impression is that just about everyone in the Balkans hates just about everyone else.

    A 1917 book by Lothrop Stoddard had a very interesting analysis of the situation, and also some of the underlying historical reasons:

    http://www.unz.com/book/lothrop_stoddard__present-day-europe/#the-balkans

  8. @Europe realist

    Serbs are Slavic newcomers to the Balkans relatively speaking

    Looking at Genetic data, Serbs (all South Slavs really) have inherited more DNA from previous Balkan natives then from Slavic settlers who were always minor (the Balkans were not a densly populated region)

    they couldn’t stand to see Serb-dominated Yugoslavia disintegrate

    We couldn’t stand millions of Serbs being in seperate nations that were inherently hostile to them, all due to administrative borders drawn by a Croat Communist dictator against the wishes of the populace

    Serbs like to claim victimhood

    Look at demographic maps and it is the Serbs who had the biggest contraction, it is also the Serbs who were the most genocided in the 20th Century (of the South Slavs), and these were actual genocides not like the little massacres like in Srebrenica which Western propagandists try to play up as the second Holocaust
    Serbs are perfectly right to believe they were wronged, this does not excuse anything wrong Serbs did but we still have the right to complain especially when the Western Nations are still trying to carve out land from us (now the turn has come for the Presevo valley)

    everyone in that region despises them

    Serbs have no real beef with Romanians, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Hungarians and Greeks, and arguably Bulgarians aswell, this is talking specifically about the people
    When it comes to Governments then Greece, Romania, Macedonia and Hungary are on good relations with Serbia, relations with Bosnia, Bulgaria and Slovenia are neutral while only Montenegro, Albania and Croatia relations are sour

    Your opinion is typical of the European who gets all of his info from Western Media, right down to the Greater Serbia references which is akin to refrencing Iraqi WMDs really
    Milosevic was not a Greater Serbia nationalist, he was a former Communist Aparatchik from Montenegro who blundered from one conflict to another as everyone, including Serbian nationalists, started tearing the nation apart, his reluctance to support the Serbs in Krajina and Bosnia led to the Croatian ethnic cleansing of almost all of it’s Serb population and the terrible Dayton agreement which created the failing state of Bosnia (a compromise which none of the 3 warring sides wanted but were forced to sign)

    I am a Serb, so I obviously have my biases on this topic, but I’m willingly to debate any point

    • Agree: Robjil
  9. peterAUS says:

    Interesting article.

    Good effort and mostly O.K. which is surprising, of sort, in the current paradigm.

    Say….80 % correct, 10 % incorrect, 10% simply wrong/clueless. Some fundamentally important things omitted, though, which is……curious.

    Clueless:
    The roots, strength and the power of Croat nationalism, related to the creation/breakup of Yugoslavia.
    The rise of Serb nationalism in the early 80’s.
    The killings in Srebrenica. About Russians there too.

    Omissions:
    “Islamic Declaration”.
    Role of Islamic countries, Iran for example, in the war in Bosnia.And/or presence there today.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Korenchkin
  10. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Ah, yes, forgot to mention (posting here during breaks isn’t a very good idea, apparently).

    One could argue that Srebrenica did inspire the shooter.

    Preventing, say, something similar to Oric outfit “excursions” into Serb areas around Srebrenica, for example, in future, in the West.

    Simple scenario: the number of Muslims increase–>as soon as they get the certain number they’ll start exerting some power there–>that could prompt the other people there to resent it–>one can’t, shouldn’t, resent the will of the only God–>etc….
    Or, how to prevent the beauties of the Islamic State, Sharia law in particular, in the West.

    Demographics, power….prevention.
    Waking up, if you will.

    Yes..yes….I know. That’s admirable.
    So…hehe…you sure that, say, Albanians in Kosovo, share your sentiment re:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para%C4%87in_massacre
    You see them saying about the above shooter as you are saying about the shooter in the article?
    Nice..nice….
    Very….sensible and..what’s the word..ah, yes, reasonable. That one.

  11. @peterAUS

    presence there today.

    Saudi presence and influence is much bigger then Irans and is with US blessing

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  12. peterAUS says:
    @Korenchkin

    Yes and no.

    They have no “teeth”. Never have and never will. Just money and ideology.

    The “teeth”, meaning, at this stage, intelligence and (para)military is Iranian stuff.

    Well..that’s at least what some Serbs I know, with contacts on the ground there, think. I tend to agree.
    Look at Houthis now.

    Oh, BTW, almost forgot: you do know where those anti-tank missiles came from in the games of nineties? You know, ships into port(s) in Croatia and the humanitarian trucks via road(s) straight into Muslim held territory there. Hehe….you know the make/origin? “Advisors”?
    Stuff like that.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Nodwink
  13. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    No, Iran doesn’t have presence anymore. Yeah they actually were main supplier, and best friend of Muslims(since 1993 changed name to Bosniaks), but at the moment war ended Shias got shunned, and Bosniaks split into pro-Arab, and pro-Turkish camp.

    So they were just using Iran, actually Iran nowadays has way better relationship with Serbia than any Muslim country in region, especially since Shiptars did the same, actually only Iranians present in Balkans are either some leftist terrorist groups with typical commie name, that are trained in Albania and Kosovo and Metohija under American supervision. And some fringe groups in Sarajevo (again heavily helped by USA).

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  14. peterAUS says:
    @anon

    No, Iran doesn’t have presence anymore.

    Aha….

    …Iran nowadays has way better relationship with Serbia than any Muslim country in region…

    Better than Muslims in Bosnia, Albania, and Turkey? Whoah…that’s great. Funny too.
    Remind us, again, what’s the regime in Tehran angle about Srebrenica? We know about Holocaust Tm. Srebrenica?!
    Oh, wait, no need. 5 seconds Google:
    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/07/12/2052310/iran-s-fm-zarif-pays-tribute-to-bosnian-muslims-killed-in-srebrenica-massacre

    …some fringe groups in Sarajevo….

    Sure…sure….

  15. Most of the “mass shootings” are FAKE!!!! Drills. I saw the vid on the Christchurch “shooting” it was more fake than 1960’s TV shows. I mean easily seen to be fake. No blood, no bullet holes, no one dying, no bleeding, no screaming, they all played dead an no one held their “wounds”. No pics of anyone getting shot. They had to pull that vid asap because it was so fake. No one can trust the lying mainstream media. They just CLAIM a shooting and the gullible public believes these liars with NO PROOF. Their used to be dozens of the fake shootings being exposed on YouTube, then YouTube started censoring like crazy and now most of those channels are gone due to YouTube censorship and blocking channels and cancelling channels for no reason. Paris had fakes also, London had multiple fakes too. God will judge these liars, eventually.

    • Replies: @Patric
  16. @Ron Unz

    Yes, my strong impression is that just about everyone in the Balkans hates just about everyone else.

    That’s something of an exaggeration, actually. It’s really only true of the ultranationalists there, which is pretty much true of ultranationalists everywhere. The people themselves get along well enough, for the most part. Many of them actively like each other, especially in the western diaspora. It would be a cinch to find Serbs who hate Albanians (and vice versa) in the diaspora; the surprising thing is how many friendships occur across these lines.

    A Serbian friend of mine in Australia is a huge nationalist, with a massive Serbian ‘samo sloga’ cross (big nationalist symbol) tattooed on his back, but half of his friends are Kosovo Albanians. I guess when your neighbors are Somalis and Sudanese, it’s the cultural similarities that come to the fore rather than the differences. It’s a nice model for the Balkans to follow: whatever reasons we have for hating each other, they pale in significance compared to the problems posed by third world scum.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Danesovic
  17. Yet another article that casually reaffirms the utter nonsense about Muslim highjackers on 9/11. I’m sorry but if you cannot even get that part straight then the rest of the article isn’t worth my time and I stopped reading right there. As long as these subtle lies are allowed to slip through unchallenged then the lies and the terror enabled by them will persist. Try harder next time Max Parry.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  18. peterAUS says:
    @silviosilver

    An interesting comment.

    I get a feeling that people like you could work, just a little, on their social intelligence. Especially about people from other cultural backgrounds. Balkans in particular.

    Make of that what you will.

  19. Max Parry says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    It says ‘allegedly’. Can you even read?

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Antares
  20. Danesovic says:
    @silviosilver

    I was thinking the same. Our only chance is to start hating somebody else, instead of each other.

  21. El Dato says:

    Nebojsa Malic, who definitely brings the Serbian view about the Yougoslav clusterfuck, wrote about that earlier this month:

    Blaming Bosnia for ‘alt-right’ and mass shootings is both ignorant and wrong

  22. Serbs certainly committed their share of war crimes, but why do Western journalists dare not speak of the thousands of Serbs ethnically cleansed in Croatia from the self-proclaimed quasi-state of Krajina?

    Ah, sod off. In Milošević’s own words, they fled like rabbits.

  23. Parfois1 says:

    Very instructive essay on a very controversial period of recent European history, still unfolding. It is almost self evident that, with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, no shred of a socialist territory was allowed to remain on the political map – hence the destruction of the successful experiment that was the federation harbouring the Southern Slavs under Tito.

    However, the most revealing item is that the “Intercept” (supposedly an anti-AngloZionist platform) is parroting the Globalist narrative about the Serbian guilty verdict for the war when all available evidence pointed the finger at the Croats goaded and badgered into violence of course by the usual suspects, an unholy alliance between NATO and aggressive Islam spawned by the Saudi largesse.

    Clear warning to the UR faithful: not all that shines is gold.

  24. Antares says:
    @Max Parry

    The critique should have aimed at what is written about Brendan Tarrant, whose selfie looks too big. The painted rifle is obviously the result of jewish thinking: religion, centuries old hatred and forgotten rifts, revenge and crazyness in order to ‘explain’ the violence. It also makes the rifle recognisable, and thus also the attack.

  25. @Europe realist

    The Serbs were way out of order in how they behaved during the Yugoslav wars

    Really? So the Croats, Muslims in Bosnia, and Albanians in Kosovo weren’t? That is, even though all those groups did things several orders of magnitude worse than Serbs and much more often. In fact, everything the Serbs did was completely reactive to the behavior of all of those groups.

    Also, who are you to tell Serbs that their behavior was out of order during the Yugoslav Wars?

    Serbs have behaved like a bunch of vicious thugs, anyone who defends them is either very naive and doesn’t understand the region or is a sociopath.

    How can you write such garbage?

    [Serbs] decided that they have some sort of absolute right to rule over the entire Balkans and to genocide anyone who stood in the way of that aim.

    Two things:

    1: Yugoslavia does not equal the whole Balkans. The two terms overlap, but they are not the same thing. Albania, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania also qualify as being part of the Balkans along with the area of the former Yugoslavia. Already, by definition, your statement is wrong because Serbs do not seriously aspire to “some sort of absolute right to rule over” many places outside of Yugoslavia that are in the Balkans.

    2: The Serbs have committed so much genocide against their neighbors that since the start of the 20th century in the pre-WW1 era until now in 2019, Serbs have gone from being 30% of the total population of current day Croatia to under 3% (Serbs used to be the majority population in Krajina, Slavonia and other regions), Serbs have been reduced from being the largest numbering ethnic group in Bosnia to a minority, and Serbs have also gone from being around 50% of the population of Kosovo to currently being an ethnic minority there. What a terrible genocide the Serbs committed against Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians on Kosovo! Oh wait …

    Seriously, how can you so shamelessly write such lies, falsehoods and distortions?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  26. @Korenchkin

    Milosevic was not a Greater Serbia nationalist

    Anyone who seriously believes that Slobodan Milosevic was a Serbian nationalist deserves to instantly be disqualified from being taken seriously about any topic to do with the Yugoslav Wars.

    Simply asking what someone thinks about this matter is an excellent test of whether its worth engaging in serious discussion about the Yugoslav Wars with them or not. Europe realist clearly seems to be someone who thinks that Slobodan Milosevic was a Serbian nationalist which makes it clear that it’s not worth engaging in serious discussion with him about this matter.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  27. A.R. says:

    “Yugoslavia did not implode simply because of its own internal contradictions, but was the subject of exploitation by a more powerful outside actor seeking to economically and militarily dominate the Caspian Sea region in order to gain access to its crude oil and natural gas resources.”

    I was wondering about your reference to the Caspian sea region as it is quite removed from the Balkans region. Is it a mistake or could you explain in more detail how it specifically relates to the situation that arose in the Balkans? Oil pipelines?

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  28. padre says:
    @Europe realist

    How very different from benevolent Croats and Muslims, isn’t it!They are all “Milk and Honney” as good old ex Brad Pitt wife puts it!

  29. Patric says:
    @Korenchkin

    Excellent comment Korenchkin!

    Another thing to think about………….imho Christchurch was a false flag if not a downright hoax. These references Tarrant supposedly had with Serbia is just another way to denigrate Serbia and nationalism in general. A good ‘psy op’ has these kind of elements and the idea that Tarrant knew all about this region to the point of putting all these names on his guns is dubious in the extreme. It’s all part of the demonization of nationalism………………..after all they hold Tarrant up as an example and a hate figure for anyone who might think of defending their country again immigration, mass vaccination, 5G or so many other globalist agenda. They have the money to run these kind of operations and I am surprised how many people take it as ‘real’. Then again what choice do people have?

  30. Nodwink says:
    @peterAUS

    I’m very suspicious of people who play down the role of the Saudis. It’s spook talk.

  31. Evidence presented by the prosecution itself at the ICTY shows that the vast majority of dead and missing Muslims from Srebrenica were men of military age, most of whom had military service records.

    What happened at Srebrenica was that the Serbs killed several hundred or several thousand Bosnian Muslim soldiers in a running battle in the hills and valleys as the Muslims retreated out of the safe zone. Those soldiers were concentrated, and relatively easy to hit with machine gun and artillery fire. Thus the high number of casualties. Possibly some civilians were killed in the heat of the moment, of course. But nothing like the most common allegations.

    And why were the Muslims in Srebrenica afraid of the Serbs? Because the Muslim commander had been using the Srebenrica “safe zone” as a NATO blank check to burn and loot surrounding towns!

    There were war crimes committed by all the sides, but the worst allegations about Srebrenica are farcical.

    Also, Bosnian Muslims themselves made a documentary alleging that their own government “betrayed” the town. I do not remember if this documentary admits to the war crimes committed by Naser Oric against the local Serbs, but, Bosnian Muslim bias aside, it is a very revealing film.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Max Parry
    , @peterAUS
  32. Patric says:
    @Dennis Gannon

    I couldn’t agree more Dennis Gannon. It’s amazing how most all of the discussion of these events assume they are ‘real’ they are not! El Paso was just another one, since when is this how people behave in the midst of mass casualties.
    Ck this out

    What’s really weird about this is all the regular people just pile in and start using shopping carts etc.

    Like since when is that how it is done! They had the same stuff in las vegas (also in the Pulse shooting just ‘regular’ people throwing the wounded into the back of pick up trucks and speeding them off to ‘hospitals’) just regular people start moving and bandaging people. that is just nuts NO WAY could that be ‘real’. But it seems to play into some fantasy about regular people getting ‘involved’.

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=7WSNX2B58W52

  33. @Ron Unz

    Yes, my strong impression is that just about everyone in the Balkans hates just about everyone else.

    I would not state that it is so much a case that everyone in the Balkans hates just about everyone else (although yes, there are indeed some serious hatreds), but more so that many ethnic groups desire and claim land that is currently inhabited or ruled by other groups.

    These claims range from those that are currently alive and viable as they are based on a given ethnic group’s population currently living on that territory, compared with claims of a more sentimental and purely irredentist nature based upon the fact that in the ancient past or hundreds of years ago a given population’s ethnic group used to live there, but it no longer lives there now. Obviously, the latter type of claims are currently quite unrealistic to be achieved by any group and a majority of people do not even seriously express, let alone actively try to achieve them, for obvious reasons.

    A 1917 book by Lothrop Stoddard had a very interesting analysis of the situation, and also some of the underlying historical reasons:

    Lothrop Stoddard’s work is quite good overall and despite being biased in certain matters and evading to mention some important things, it is still one of the few English language written pieces on the Balkans worth taking seriously. Mind you, I say this as an ethnic Serb.

    The only problem with Stoddard’s work is that it applies to relations between Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Romanians which were live and serious issues around 100 years ago in the Balkans. Those relations are quite calm and peaceful now (with the exception of the issues around Macedonia, North Macedonia or Monkeydonia, although this is more of a fun meme by now). The serious issues that cause current conflict in the Balkans, and maybe even future wars or violence, revolve around the ethnic groups of the former Yugoslavia and Albanians.

    If you are interested, you should also take the time to familiarize yourself with the pathological demonization of the Serbian nation and people that happened during the 1990’s:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.intermagazin.rs%2Fazbuka-satanizacije-srba-izjave-mrznje-koje-ne-smemo-zaboraviti%2F

    This is an English translation of a Serbian article on some, among many, of the anti-Serb statements made by powerful persons during the 1990’s and even some from Adolf Hitler in WW2.

    I would contend to you that the way the events of the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990’s were represented in Western media during this time period, are still discussed, and written about in history books amount to blatant lies, slander and outright hysterical hatred against the Serbian people on levels which reach those you have written articles on issues such as WW2 and the Holocaust. I would personally contend that the falsehoods and hatred against Serbs are on an even greater level.

  34. Muslims in America are a most unnatural prescence…deport them all…..

    What did Three Star General Casey say after the Fort Hood shooting by a Muslim “American” US Army General?

    After 9/11…All Muslims should have been sent packing……

    • Replies: @Contact Zone
  35. Avery says:
    @Anonymous

    {I BEG YOU RUSSIA, DESTROY THE U.S NOW!!!}

    Don’t be ridiculous: how exactly is Russia going to ‘ DESTROY THE U.S NOW!!!’?

    Both countries have nuke triads that will be impossible to completely wipe out with a first strike. Both US and Russia can take a massive nuke first-strike and then retaliate with more than enough warheads to destroy the attacker: both countries will be destroyed, and the rest of the world too.

    You really think 1,000s of nuke warheads exploding over US and Russia will not affect the rest of the world?

  36. So if the Australian-born gunman was incited by Balkan history, it is because he was as confused and unknowledgeable about the complex subject as Hussain, given that he also wrote the number 14 on his firearm in reference to “the 14 words” from Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

    The number 14 stands for the AH in alphanumeric code, the initials of Adolph Hitler, but the 14 words were created by David Lane and do not come from Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    Since Tarrant saw himself as a fighter against Islam it is natural that he should find inspiration in others who fought against muslims in the past, and he did write some other European heroes’ names too, and not just Serbian ones.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  37. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I disagree, if you go to even the most prestigious school in the US in the history courses on Yugoslavia you will be taught that Milosevic was a Greater Serbia ultranationalist
    Theres footage of obnoxious bugman liberal saints like Hitchens talking at Universities about evil Serbs and how Putin is also another Milosevic and the US must act out the End Of History manifesto to ensure Liberty and Freedom(tm) prevail.

    For some folks the game is rigged from the start man, so you gotta sometimes go easy on them, insults rarely change anyones mind

  38. @A.R.

    99% chance it’s a typo, he likely meant Adriatic,
    And in that context it was a success, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and Greece are all in NATO, meaning the Adriatic is now a NATO lake

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  39. @Commentator Mike

    He wrote Bulgarian, Croatian, Hungarian, Montenegrin, Polish, Russian, Spanish, Georgian, Armenian and Romanian names, among the Serbian ones
    His inspiration was basically every Christian led Anti-Muslim endeavour

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  40. Svevlad says:

    It’s a bunch of shit, yugophiles should be impaled

    The only reason Yugoslavia worked because T*to and his retards took out every single loan they possibly could, under insane rates, to buy “le social peace” instead of letting people finish what they should have in 1918, and our treasonous government still pays them, proving once again that it was a state planned to collapse from the start. The instant the money dried up, everyone went full retard, with the oh so coincidental w*stern support

    • Replies: @Epigon
  41. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    2: The Serbs have committed so much genocide against their neighbors that since the start of the 20th century in the pre-WW1 era until now in 2019, Serbs have gone from being 30% of the total population of current day Croatia to under 3% (Serbs used to be the majority population in Krajina, Slavonia and other regions), Serbs have been reduced from being the largest numbering ethnic group in Bosnia to a minority, and Serbs have also gone from being around 50% of the population of Kosovo to currently being an ethnic minority there.

    SOB mode.

    1. Serbs constituted in past 150 years at most 15% of what is now Croatia. They’d been ca. 22-25% of northern Croatia prior to WW1 & much less in Dalmatia. Before the war, 1991, Serbs were ca. 11% of Croatia’s population.

    2. there was never a “Krajina region”. There were two separate regions, directly controlled by Vienna, Croatian military border (Vojna krajina) & Slavonian military border. We cannot know the exact identity of those ethnic groups, but, if we follow the census of these areas until the dissolution of military border in 1881 & its unification with civil Croatia, Slavic-speaking Orthodox people were always in the minority, comprising less than 45%, and less than Slavic-speaking Catholics. Moreover, the center of Serbian rebellion/aggression, Knin- has never been in the military border.

    3. As for what is now Bosnia & Herzegovina, population patterns shifted. Serbs are Orthodox, Bosniaks are Muslim & Croats are Catholics. According to the first Ottoman census, as published by Turkish historians, the situation was:

    1528/29:

    Catholics–57%
    Muslims–34%
    Orthodox–9%

    1624:

    Catholics–22%
    Muslims–67%
    Orthodox–11%

    Muslims remained a majority of ca. 60-70% until the mid-18th C when they’ve been depopulated due to plague & constant warfare; Orthodox/Serbs became a plural majority of 40-44% & remained so until the census in 1971.

    4. What is now Kosovo had been an integral part of Serbian medieval state in 13th & 14th C. They have a strong cultural heritage there. After Ottoman conquest of Serbia in 14th & 15th C, the ethnic composition of the area remained, more or less, the same. But, after mass Serbian migrations at the end of 17th C to the northern, Austrian lands (now a Serbian province of Vojvodina), neighboring Albanians, most of them Muslims (Albanian people are ca. 70% Muslim, the rest are Catholics & Eastern Orthodox) moved in & became the majority.

    This was so until 19th C when Serbia, now a new duchy, then kingdom, during Balkan wars in 1913 occupied/liberated Kosovo. The region was then 63% Albanian, 25% Serbian & the rest were mostly Muslim Turks, Bosniaks and Gypsies. Serbian socialist Dimitrije Tucović openly wrote against that, condemning what he saw as extension of European imperialism to the provincial levels of Balkan tribalism (the classic work is “Srbija i Arbanija”, 1-2). Albanians were suppressed & forced to emigrate, while Serbian colonizers took their place (this was not too successful because of Albanian high fertility rate & unwillingness of most Serbs to move in that backward area).

    After WW II, Yugoslav policy toward Kosovo was ambiguous: on one hand, Yugoslav Communists wanted to placate Albanians who had been promised full independence & integration with neighboring Albania; on the other, they wanted to keep Serbs satisfied. So, the region was, according to Soviet model, given a semi-autonomous status in Serbia. In reality, oppression of Albanians continued from 1945 to 1966, the fall of Tito’s strongman Ranković (Serbian quasi-Stalinist politician). Until Tito’s death in 1980, Kosovo had been, economically, Yugoslav black hole, sucking in vast amounts of money from all republics that contributed to keep it quiet; in the meantime, Kosovo Albanians rose from 65% to over 90% in population after Tito’s death & created their own educated classes (Priština University has, after reforms in 1960s, taught both in Serbian & Albanian). The rise of modern nationalism among Albanians was not successfully quelled in the whole period leading to Milošević’s struggle to transform Yugoslavia from an uneasy consensus of South Slavic nations controlled by (theoretically) supra-national Communist Party to the open Serbian hegemony. After Milošević (and most Serbs) lost all wars in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina, Albanians- who had been living in past 15 years under police terror & intimidation- rose in revolt, but were losing due to numerous factors (poorly armed, untrained, their area studded with Serbian Army garrisons,..).

    Now, NATO was fed up with Milošević & knew that they’d lose all credibility if they remained passive as they’d been in past 10 years. Bombing ensued & Serbs lost; in the aftermath, most Serbian population fled & they remain only in a small area covering less than 5% of the province along the border with Serbia proper, less than 5% of the province’s population. Kosovo got independence, which is legally questionable, but politically not too much: Serbia, with some 6 million Serbs, would not know what to do or how to absorb extremely hostile 1.8 million Albanians- aliens in culture, identity, language, custom, religion,…-everything. And these extremely inimical aliens, now, unlike in all history from 19th C on, would be armed with tanks, howitzers, rocket launchers… anything they would like to possess.

    So, this is just a small piece on what was actually a sideshow in dissolution of Yugoslavia. These peoples are, with exception of Hungarians and Albanians, relatively related as are Scandinavian peoples (Danes, Swedes etc.). But- they differ in national identities, languages, religions, cultures, histories .. and had, in past 5-6 centuries, lived in parallel & non-intersecting economic, cultural, national & spiritual worlds.

    Small wonder that such an unnatural freak of a country did not fall apart earlier.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @silviosilver
  42. Epigon says:
    @Korenchkin

    There is 0 point in discussing Balkan and Russian history with Westerners.
    Anything written in USA and UK on Balkan and Russian history is a geopolitical tool and narrative
    distribution first, scientific work distant second.

    I would gladly debate the whole community of American and British “experts on Balkans, Yugoslavia”, “Balkan historians” – these people don’t speak the language in vast majority of cases, have never been to national archives and have never consulted primary sources. They are craftsmen, fiction writers in the employ of their imperial masters, not scientists and intellectuals.

    So instead of wasting time, emphasis should be placed on solid numbers, facts and material evidence.
    Exhibit 1:
    Croatia census 1991 – 586k Serbs, 100k Yugoslavs (de-nationalized, assimilated Serbs, Serbo-Croat mutts)
    Croatia census 2001 – 190 k Serbs, no Yugoslavs at all

    Regarding Bosnia&Herzegovina, I will break down the numbers by areas controlled by particular armies.
    In areas controlled by Bosniak army during the war, there are 357 000 Serbs less in recent census, compared to 1991.
    In areas controlled by Croat army in B&H, there are 60 000 less Serbs in recent census, compared to 1991.

    I have no intention of delving deeper into demographics of Militärgrenze, Slavonia, Kosovo and Metohija, Skadar/Shkodra.
    Nor will I quote German (von Horstenau memoirs, among others) and Italian WW2 accounts of Croat sadism and brutality.

    What the author missed regarding Srebrenica is the fact that all excavations have been completed and the total number of human remains is known, as well as the total number of skulls, femurs etc. Not to mention that bodies found with gunshot wounds in the back of the head or with wire around their hands were obvious executions.

    However, not a single Western media account mentions these exact, absolutely relevant numbers.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  43. @Korenchkin

    And the famous Frenchman Charles Martel partly visible in the above photo on the barrel of the gun. Some modern day ones too like the Canadian Alexandre Bissonnette.

  44. @Bardon Kaldian

    Serbs certainly committed their share of war crimes, but why do Western journalists dare not speak of the thousands of Serbs ethnically cleansed in Croatia from the self-proclaimed quasi-state of Krajina?

    Ah, sod off. In Milošević’s own words, they fled like rabbits.

    Ah, of course, a Croat has come to gloat about the ethnic cleansing of Serbs during the genocidal “Operation” Storm. No surprises here.

    On a more relevant note though, the reason why I have absolutely 0.00% empathy, care or concern for the Muslims killed in Srebrenica, besides the fact that they were soldiers and terrorists guilty of burning Serb villages and killing Serb civilians, is because Muslims have 0.00% concern and care about the suffering that Serbs endured because of Storm (Also, the Muslims participated in Operation Storm with the 5th Army Corps of the Muslim ArBiH, Armed forces of Bosnia and Herzegovina). Really, anyone who has nothing to say about Storm, has no right to whine about Srebrenica.

    The hypocrisy in the portrayal of the events of “Operation” Storm as a legitimate military operation by the same people who go on about the “genocide of poor and innocent Muslims” in Srebrenica just demonstrates how pathetic and political the nature of pushing the Srebrenica genocide hoax really is.

    PS: In a previous thread you stated that Serbs are the ones who are full of irrational hysteria, anger and hate towards Croats over the events of the 1990’s. The truth is the other way around. Take a look at how often Croat media mentions Serbs and goes on about the 1990’s wars compared to how often Serb media mentions Croats. It becomes very clear that Croats are the ones full of anti-Serb hysteria and pathological hatred. Croatian media literally goes into hysterics about the “evil JNA”, “Vukovar”, “Greater Serbian Aggression”, “Serb Chetniks” and so on, over a simple random and non-functional tank that Serbian soccer fans place outside a stadium in Serbia:

    https://www.firstpost.com/sports/red-star-belgrade-fans-criticised-for-parking-army-tank-outside-stadium-amidst-growing-tensions-between-serbia-and-croatia-7235831.html

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Malacaay
  45. Epigon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    1. Serbs constituted in past 150 years at most 15% of what is now Croatia. They’d been ca. 22-25% of northern Croatia prior to WW1 & much less in Dalmatia. Before the war, 1991, Serbs were ca. 11% of Croatia’s population.

    You’re acting as if no Austrian census and ethnographic data exists. Why are you lying in a such pathetic way?

    3. As for what is now Bosnia & Herzegovina, population patterns shifted. Serbs are Orthodox, Bosniaks are Muslim & Croats are Catholics. According to the first Ottoman census, as published by Turkish historians, the situation was:

    1528/29:

    Catholics–57%
    Muslims–34%
    Orthodox–9%

    1624:

    Catholics–22%
    Muslims–67%
    Orthodox–11%

    Post those sources. During Middle Ages, several bishop and papal crusades were called against Bosnia, and the center of Catholic Bosnian province was in Đakovo, Croatia.
    Riiight – must be due to Croat Catholics living in Bosnia, right?

    Proclaiming that all South Slavic Catholics are Croats is a 1900 thing, a doctrine agreed upon at the All-Catholic Congress held that year. The Vatican tried to meme Illyrism in late 16th, early 17th century to Uniatize and Catholicize Serbs of West Balkans, funding dictionaries and missionary work by Jesuits.

    In 14th, 15th, 16th century – not even close. Otherwise, a particularly deranged Croat (many of Croat historians) would proclaim Primorje Serbs or even Nemanjići as Croats, due to being Catholics or under Papal authority.

    Again, you are acting as if no primary evidence exists detailing the ethnic Serbhood of Bosnia and Herzegovina (named after Herzog of Saint Sava – Kosača, who finally united Serb Orthodox and Bosnian Church, and was directly descended from Tzar Dušan’s general) or Bosnian Church. And there are many, 4 Papal letters, dozens of charters (preserved in Dubrovnik) and even explicit letters and proclamations by Bosnian kings. The first, Stefan Tvrtko, crowned himself as King to Serbs, with a Nemanjić Lily Crown and called his ancestors – “Serbian lords”. The last Bosnian Queen fled to Rome, and was an ethnic Serb Catholic. Contemporary Vatican authors present her script and language, used on her epitaph as Serb.

    Because you are a lying piece of Croat shit.

    To further drive my point, will you be so kind and write down in which script and which language were Catholic manuscripts of Foča library and Friar Divković written?

    • Disagree: Malacaay
  46. Epigon says:
    @Svevlad

    Were you previously active on a particular regional forum based in Croatia?

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  47. @Korenchkin

    I disagree, if you go to even the most prestigious school in the US in the history courses on Yugoslavia you will be taught that Milosevic was a Greater Serbia ultranationalist

    I agree that they most probably do teach Milosevic was a Greater Serbian ultra-nationalist in the USA. I know that in Australia, even in high-schools, they teach the same thing. It just shows that if people get such a basic thing wrong, they’re going to have a completely distorted image of everything else regarding the events of the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990’s.

    For some folks the game is rigged from the start man, so you gotta sometimes go easy on them, insults rarely change anyones mind

    Perhaps you are right, but I would contend there is no point going further into discussing those events if a person seriously believes that Milosevic was a Greater Serbian ultra-nationalist. If they continue to stick to that perception, everything else is basically pointless.

  48. Malla says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Wow thanks for the video ‘Srebenica A Town Betrayed’. Just goes to show the media and official history are so fake. CNN, BBC are hardcore fake news, pure brainwash propaganda. And there is no justice by the “International Community’. In history either there are no good and bad sides or heroes are demonised and demons are heroised.
    The scumbag Naser oric got only 3 years imprisonment. So much for “Justice” at the Hague. Most probably Milosevic was murdered.
    Naser Oric a typical macho mafioso gangster was all brave when it came to killing helpless innocent Serbs but when it came to protecting his people (Muslim Bosnians) ran away like a rat and sacrificed his own people, the same people who though that mafioso rat was their ‘hero’. What a scumbag. No wonder the globalist elites (international community) who are themselves mafiaoso let him off easy, he is of their breed.

  49. Anonymous[590] • Disclaimer says:
    @Europe realist

    The origins of the Albanian language are still disputed – there is very little written material left from either Thracian or Illyrian to compare it with and the first mention of the Albanian language dates from 1284 (a witness to a murder heard someone on a hillside shouting in Albanian).

  50. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Sod off.

    Over 100,000 German civilians died in the final Battle of Berlin.

    And- so what?

    You reap what you sow.

  51. Antiwar7 says:
    @Anonymous

    Serbians aren’t the ones claiming other lands—you must be thinking of Greater Albania. Ethnic Serbs comprised the majority of refugees from the former Yugoslavia.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  52. @Epigon

    I was actually just about to go search for and post Austrian census and other ethnographic data about the population of Slavonia, Krajina, Dalmatia, Kosovo and other areas until I read your comment where you rightfully rebutted this repulsive Croat garbage.

    Thank you for saving me the time and effort from doing this. I will respectfully defer to you on such matters from now on.

  53. @Korenchkin

    I disagree, if you go to even the most prestigious school in the US in the history courses on Yugoslavia you will be taught that Milosevic was a Greater Serbia ultranationalist

    That is what the ICTY prosecution charged him with, but I think the general historical narrative is that Milosevic exploited the growth of Serbian nationalism in the 1980s as the vehicle to propel him to power and sideline his more cautious opponents. Once the nationalist genie was out of the bottle and Yugoslavia began to break up along nationalist lines, Milosevic had little choice but to play the role of nationalist if he wanted to retain his position.

    I think that is basically accurate, but of course by emphasizing certain details and downplaying others, it’s possible to make Milosevic look better or worse depending on personal political preference.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  54. @Antiwar7

    True. Also, ethnic Germans comprised the majority of European refugees in 1945 & in next years.

    That’s what you get when you try to conquer others & have your ass kicked.

    • Replies: @Wally
  55. @Bardon Kaldian

    Sod off.

    Over 100,000 German civilians died in the final Battle of Berlin.

    And- so what?

    Now, of course, because you were clearly proven wrong, who cares about civilian deaths! Right?

    How convenient.

    • Replies: @anon
  56. Max Parry says: • Website
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Srebrenica A Town Betrayed is an incredible documentary.

  57. Svevlad says:
    @Epigon

    Nope, don’t participate in those, arguing is futile nowadays, especially in these parts

  58. @Bardon Kaldian

    You reap what you sow.

    Serbs obviously deserve the lion’s share of the blame for igniting the wars, but out of curiosity, are you able to concede that Serbs in Croatia had good reason to feel fearful at the revival of Croatian nationalism and symbols which, rightly or wrongly, were associated in Serbs’ minds with the NDH regime? I don’t mean that this justifies their attempt to seize Krajina/Slavonia, just that their fear was understandable.

  59. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh wow so all the Muslims that were moved into Bosnia from Afghanistan and other parts Middle East, weren’t able to gain control alone and they needed their new leftist allies help? Dying in the name of Jesus?
    How sad it all really is.

  60. I don’t know Mr Hussain, but I am willing to wager a day’s earnings that he’s also a proponent of a regime change invasion of Syria.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Max Parry
  61. @Max Parry

    I would like to point out that “Bosniak” is a fictitious term dreamt up by the Western warmonger apparatus to justify calling its wars in Yugoslavia “humanitarian intervention” to prevent “genocide”. Bosnian Muslims are not a separate ethnicity from Bosnian Serbs and Croats.

  62. @silviosilver

    That is what the ICTY prosecution charged him with, but I think the general historical narrative is that Milosevic exploited the growth of Serbian nationalism in the 1980s as the vehicle to propel him to power and sideline his more cautious opponents.

    Two things:

    1: So the ICTY charged Milosevic with supposedly being a Greater Serbian ultra-nationalist or for the “crime” of exploiting “the growth of Serbian nationalism in the 1980’s as the vehicle to propel him to power and sideline his more cautious opponents”? Honestly, you should sometimes read aloud to yourself the things you write in order to see just how silly they sound.

    2: Anyway, just because the ICTY charges or sentences someone on some pretext, it is not a confirmation of any form of truth, justice or morality. The ICTY is a politically rigged court created by the USA, NATO and other international criminals and terrorist scum to humiliate, punish and prosecute their enemies. The ICTY or Hague’s fundamental practices are also farcical and a travesty of any form of justice, morality or basic human decency.

    Once the nationalist genie was out of the bottle and Yugoslavia began to break up along nationalist lines, Milosevic had little choice but to play the role of nationalist if he wanted to retain his position.

    The facts are such that in Communist Yugoslavia the nationalism of every single other ethnic group besides Serbs was de-facto acceptable (in a moderated form), and even openly promoted in some cases, while any form of Serbian nationalism was brutally suppressed until the 1980’s (Goli Otok prison camps and etc).

    For instance, in SR (Socialist Republic of) Croatia it was acceptable to sing the Croat national anthem, “Ljepa Nasa Domovina” (Our nice homeland) while singing any Serb nationalist song was a criminal offense in SR Serbia, even in the middle of Belgrade, that would lead to arrest, imprisonment or a disappearance and deportation to the Golit Otok labor camps (a Yugoslav or Balkan version of a Gulag on empty rocky islands of the Adriatic coast) until the late 1980’s. Also, Tito forbade the return of ethnic Serb refugees who fled from Kosovo due to the barbarism of the Albanian Axis collaborationist Prizren League terrorists during WW2.

    There are many other countless examples of Communist Yugoslavia’s bias against ethnic Serbs and Serbian nationalism that one could cite, but they are pointless to even discuss when the majority of English language speakers are just a bunch of brainwashed morons who believe in narratives about “evil Serbs” and “Greater Serbian hegemonism”.

  63. @Bardon Kaldian

    Muslims remained a majority of ca. 60-70% until the mid-18th C when they’ve been depopulated due to plague & constant warfare

    This is the first I’ve heard of this, and the explanation you provide strikes me as bizarre. Why would plague and warfare cause the muslim population to disproportionately decline? Surely their privileged economic position under Ottoman rule and the Ottoman armed forces should have meant that the Christian population was disproportionately affected.

    Albanians were suppressed & forced to emigrate, while Serbian colonizers took their place (this was not too successful because of Albanian high fertility rate & unwillingness of most Serbs to move in that backward area).

    The Serbian reluctance to expel the Albanian population after Kosovo fell into their hands or to massively settle the land makes a mockery of Serbian mythical claims of Kosovo forming some essential element of Serbian identity. If they were really serious about Kosovo, they should have undertaken mass expulsions within the limited time frame available for such actions. Hundreds of thousands of Turks traversed considerably greater distances under conditions of duress after the wars of 1878 and 1913, so it’s plausible that something similar could have been effected in Kosovo, especially considering the more convenient geographic compactness of Albanian settlement. Or if Serbs settled in Kosovo in great enough numbers such that by 1991 they were at least in parity with Albanians, it would have made sense to try to hold onto that territory. But by the end of the 20th century, after nearly a century of demographic neglect, the Serbian presence was pathetically insufficient to justify the effort necessary to keep Kosovo Serbian.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Malacaay
  64. Wally says:
    @anonymous

    Author Parry said:
    ” it was Muslim volunteers who formed the nucleus of the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian), whose foremost victims were Christian Orthodox Serbs, in addition to Jews and Roma .”

    Once again, he presents no proof.

    See Max Parry shredded here on his laughable ‘Nazi’ obsession:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=max+parry&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  65. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Oh please, ethnicity is not some essential, primordial category. Ethnic identities emerge in relation to conditions. Bosniak/Muslim ethnicity had ample historical material from which to be formed. You really have to be a sick asshole to deny people an identity simply because of your political disagreements with them.

  66. @Epigon

    I suppose that most people here don’t care for Croatian/Serbian/Bosniak squabbles & don’t know the languages. So, what you wrote is partially right & mostly wrong.

    In fact, Serbian nationhood (as is the case with other national identities) is mostly 19th C thing. Just: a) there were not “Catholic” (or “Muslim”) “Serbs” anywhere until mid-19th & early 20th C, when they disappeared because their identity was an artificial one (I am not questioning the sincerity of some of them- as I do not question sincerity of Orthodox Croats).

    But, historically, in past 1000 years, there had been no Croatian Orthodox identity, nor Serbian Catholic one. There is no identity & cultural continuity between contemporary Catholics & Serbdom, as there is no continuity between the Orthodox & Croatdom, while “Bosnian” adjective & noun had been, historically, almost exclusively applied to Catholics in Bosnia & Muslims, and never to the Orthodox.

    As for Divković, a 17th Bosnian Franciscan writer who wrote in “Slovin” (and never mentioned “Croatian”) & in “Serbian script”- he clearly distinguishes between language & script. Serbs never wrote in “Slovin language” (unlike Croats, for whom Slovin-Croatian-Dalmatian-Bosnian have been synonyms, as attested by Kašić’s, Mikalja’s & Stulić’s dictionaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Croatian_dictionaries).

    Since this is not an interesting issue here & because virtually all commenters don’t know the languages, I’ll leave only English language links re these issues.

    https://www.hercegbosna.org/STARO/engleski/download.html

    http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/et02.html

    http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/coat1.html

    https://www.britannica.com/art/Croatian-literature

  67. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    And nowadays beach resorts in Zadar, Split are filled with workers from Brazil, Philippines, Syria etc.

  68. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t have the source right now, but I believe a Finnish team excavated the grave sites and surmised that the dead were combat victims rather than being executed, and that the numbers were much, much less then claimed.

  69. @silviosilver

    Of course, they had their traumas. They were misused & later abandoned by Belgrade.

  70. Max Parry says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Yes, he and and others at the Intercept are of that ilk. His colleague Robert Mackey even wrote an article in very poor taste comparing the Syrian government’s attempt to rescue its population from terrorists to Franco and the Luftwaffe’s aerial bombardment of Guernica.

  71. Wally says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    said:
    “That’s what you get when you try to conquer others & have your ass kicked.”

    Yawn.
    Except that it has been demonstrated repeatedly at this site that the Germans did not try “try to conquer others”, you have no proof they did.

    See Bardon Kaldian spanked here:

    http://www.unz.com/?s=Bardon+Kaldian&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

  72. @silviosilver

    I don’t have much time now, so I’ll just comment on Muslims. I guess they’ve been the majority from early 1600s (first great wave of suppression of Catholics, who had been seen as the fifth column of Catholic Venice, Austria & Spain) until mid-18th C. There was no great pressure on the Orthodox because their spiritual head was located in Istanbul/Constantinople & was under Ottoman supervision.

    Bosnian Muslims suffered disproportionately from various contagions because they had been mostly city-dwellers, while Orthodox & Catholics lived in sparsely populated villages & were frequently nomadic; also, Muslims were recruited for Ottoman wars against Russia & Persia, so they lost, demographically, a significant number of population. Of course there were other reasons, but this is a short survey.

  73. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    One sentence of yours especially is exactly right and it shocks me that anyone, regardless of their beliefs about Balkan history or ethnography, could disagree with this basic statement:

    The ICTY is a politically rigged court created by the USA, NATO … to humiliate, punish and prosecute their enemies.

    I deleted some of your (in my belief justifiable) descriptions of the nature of the USA and NATO to keep the most basic opinion, which is totally on point.

    It takes only the simplest lay study of the conflict to come away with this conclusion, but here were the two reasons that swayed me from my original preconceived American belief that the Serbs were the monolithic “bad guys”:

    1) The total lack of justice for Serbian victims of ethnic cleansing, e.g. in Operation Storm. The reason is obvious: The Croatian Army was used as an American “junkyard dog” (actual quote from an American general) and it would not do to describe an American-trained and American-backed operation as entailing a massive crime of expulsion and brutality.
    2) That a great many witnesses against Serbs were obviously lying, particularly at the Milosevic trial.

    Also, the procedural nature of the trials was especially unjust.

    I invite all thinking persons to look into these matters for themselves.

  74. @silviosilver

    Serbs obviously deserve the lion’s share of the blame for igniting the wars…

    Emphasis mine. Only a crazy person or someone thoroughly brainwashed by our Western propaganda would be willing to make such single-minded judgments about a region like the Balkans.

  75. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I am glad that you have found out from this site that not all of us Americans are in chains to the anti-Serb conditioning.

    Perhaps you have heard of Colonel David Hackworth. He was a highly decorated American army officer who became a notable dissident from the prevailing American political orthodoxy. This was detailed in his autobiography, ‘About Face.’ Having served in the area of Trieste after World War Two, he became familiar with the Balkan peoples and held the Serbs in good respect for their notably brave acts to pick up and protect downed American fliers.

    Mr. Hackworth was always honest about the Balkan Wars, as can be seen in a brief snippet in this video. He influenced me to look past the American orthodoxy.

    https://www.amazon.com/About-Face-Odyssey-American-Warrior/dp/0671695347

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  76. @Wally

    Author Parry said:
    ” it was Muslim volunteers who formed the nucleus of the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian), whose foremost victims were Christian Orthodox Serbs, in addition to Jews and Roma .”

    Once again, he presents no proof.

    I understand that you are one of those types who seriously believes the Holocaust is a hoax, but not every and any genocide has to be a hoax just because you believe one genocide is not real.

    What Max Parry was referring to is SS divisions composed of Muslims in Bosnia that committed mass murder and genocide against Serbs from 1941-1945 along with other horrible atrocities.

    Here is the proof:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Kama_(2nd_Croatian)

    Just to be clear the Croats genuinely did commit a policy of genocide against Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia from 1941-1945, that involved a policy of killing 1/3rd of all Serbs, converting or assimilating the other 1/3rd and expelling the final 1/3rd of all Serbs:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

    If you have doubts, there are extensive pieces of evidence and sources that can be cited which confirm the authenticity of this genocide. These include the statements and writings from German, Italian and even Ustashe officials themselves from the time period. They also include ethnographic data that can easily be compared from the pre and post WW2 periods. Not to mention, of course, the remains of Serbs throughout the current territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Srem. There are also many other means which can be used to prove the authenticity of these crimes but the ones I mentioned were only those which I immediately thought of.

  77. Agent76 says:

    THE HIDDEN ENEMY INSIDE PSYCHIATRY’S COVERT AGENDA

    “We have never drugged our troops to this extent and the current increase in suicides is not a coincidence. “Why hasn’t psychiatry in the military been relieved of command of Mental Health Services? Psychiatrists say we need more psychiatry.

    http://www.cchr.org/videos/the-hidden-enemy.html

    MARCH 16, 2019 Christchurch Terrorist Attack: Many Unanswered Questions Remain

    The primary suspect in this anti-Muslim terrorist attack is said to 28 year old Brenton Harrison Tarrant (image, left), an Australian citizen from New South Wales.

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/03/16/christchurch-terrorist-attack-many-unanswered-questions-remain/

    Apr 16, 2014 Medicated to Death: SSRIs and Mass Killings

    SSRI stands for Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor, and it is a class of drugs that is often used to treat depression and anxiety.

  78. Max Parry says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I don’t think he was disputing whether there were Muslim divisions of the SS but, predictably, that they committed any atrocities against Serbs (there are archives of photographs of the Ustase posing with the bodies of their victims for god sake). I wouldn’t take such types seriously, I’m sure he also believes the WTC towers are still standing or whatever.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
  79. Alija Izetbegovic, the first Muslim president of Bosnia-Herzegovina, wrote in 1970 the “Islamic Declaration”. That is why he spent several years in jail at the time of the communist government.
    In the Declaration, Izetbegovic called for the “creation of an Islamic state from Morocco to Indonesia, from tropical Africa to the Russian steppes.”

  80. Epigon says:
    @silviosilver

    Serbs obviously deserve the lion’s share of the blame for igniting the wars

    Imagine being retarded enough to write down that Serbs started violent Slovenian, Croatian, Bosniak and Albanian separatism.

    Imagine being retarded enough to unironically believe that Serbs picked up a fight with Germany, Vatican, USA and UK all of whom staunchly supported the break-up of Yugoslavia.

    Imagine being retarded enough to believe that Serbs started a war in which 1 million Serbs were cleansed and which ended with US advisors (retired generals) leading Croat and Bosniak troops in attacks on UNPA zones, attacks which were precedeed by NATO airstrikes on radars and communication hubs of Serbs.

    There is not a single intelligent and informed individual capable of parroting a narrative as retarded as this one.

    BND smuggled weapons to Slovenia in 1990, East German and Hungarian weapons overflowed Croatia in 1991, Bundeswehr “volunteers” fought with UČK, Špegelj was caught on tape planning murder of Serb police and military men and their families, Tuđman publicly proclaimed that war was necessary and here we are, discussing how status quo, pro-Yugoslavia Serbs “started wars”.

    I can’t wait for the scores to be settled. Even if it means Serbia becoming a tributary of Eternal Chinese Imperium or Russian gubernia – any fate is preferable to having to suffer, bear witness to smug Croat dogs.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  81. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    1: So the ICTY charged Milosevic with supposedly being a Greater Serbian ultra-nationalist or for the “crime” of exploiting “the growth of Serbian nationalism in the 1980’s as the vehicle to propel him to power and sideline his more cautious opponents”? Honestly, you should sometimes read aloud to yourself the things you write in order to see just how silly they sound.

    I think this is simply a case of reading incomprehension on your part.

    When I wrote that “that is what the ITCY prosecution charged him with, but I think the general historical narrative is that…” then I clearly meant to contrast the fallacious ITCY claims with the more or less standard historical accounts which do not claim Milosevic was a Greater Serbian ultranationalist. In other words, I was saying the standard historical account rejects the ITCY position about Milosevic’s motives.

    There are many other countless examples of Communist Yugoslavia’s bias against ethnic Serbs and Serbian nationalism that one could cite,

    I’m sure there are. Of course, every nationalist group claims that Yugoslavia unjustly suppressed expressions of their national sentiments. This quickly gets tiresome. In the minds of nationalists, there was nothing that Yugoslavia could even theoretically have done right, because they rejected the legitimacy of Yugoslavism outright. These complaints, rather seeking legitimate redress, were ultimately just pretexts for tearing down Yugoslavia.

    Secondly, Serbs were the dominant ethnicity in Yugoslavia, so it’s understandable that expressions of Serbian nationalism were thought to require greater monitoring and suppression than other nationalities’. (Although Albanians hardly got off lightly in this regard.) In hindsight, this was a wrongheaded attitude, since it simply provided ammunition to Serbian nationalist claims that Yugoslavia was a hindrance to Serbian interests and aspirations.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  82. Epigon says:

    If someone is trying to portray Germans in a more positive light, he should definitely focus on German role in NDH, especially in 1941-1943. German commanders, officials and even Gestapo officers were appaled and expressed their utmost disgust at behaviour of Croats and the many atrocities they commited, including concentration camps for children.
    An interesting fact – a whole year before Reich had anti-Roma laws in effect, NDH had final solution style laws on Roma signed and applied in practice.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I am glad that you have found out from this site that not all of us Americans are in chains to the anti-Serb conditioning.

    Beforehand, I knew about some Americans who went completely against the anti-Serb conditioning, but unfortunately the majority of Americans either genuinely believe anti-Serb garbage or are simply clueless. The same applies for many West Europeans as well.

    Perhaps you have heard of Colonel David Hackworth. He was a highly decorated American army officer who became a notable dissident from the prevailing American political orthodoxy. This was detailed in his autobiography, ‘About Face.’ Having served in the area of Trieste after World War Two, he became familiar with the Balkan peoples and held the Serbs in good respect for their notably brave acts to pick up and protect downed American fliers.

    Mr. Hackworth was always honest about the Balkan Wars, as can be seen in a brief snippet in this video. He influenced me to look past the American orthodoxy.

    Thank you for informing me about him. This is the first time I have heard of him in my life. I will take the time to research him.

    The Croatian Army was used as an American “junkyard dog” (actual quote from an American general)

    The quote was actually “junkyard attack dogs”, and it was said by Richard Holbrooke, by the way.

  84. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Just to be clear the Croats genuinely did commit a policy of genocide against Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia from 1941-1945, that involved a policy of killing 1/3rd of all Serbs, converting or assimilating the other 1/3rd and expelling the final 1/3rd of all Serbs:

    Of course, the NDH was fanatically anti-Serb and did indeed persecute Serbs, but statements made by Ustase officials for their rhetorical effect shouldn’t be confused with actual policies. Or do you seriously imagine the authorities were tracking the number of Serbs who were converted, expelled or slaughtered in order to precisely maintain the 1/3 ratio? Lol. In practise, the policy was simply if you can kill them, kill them; if you can expel them, expel them; if you can convert them, convert them. Nobody in power was going to protest too strongly against any of these.

  85. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes, my strong impression is that just about everyone in the Balkans hates just about everyone else.

    I’m third generation out of Croatia, and yes, the hatred is real.

  86. @Epigon

    By mid-1991 Yugoslav authorities – most importantly the JNA – had decided they were not going to do what was necessary to keep Yugoslavia together. This amounted to a de facto recognition of Slovenian and Croatian independence. “Pro-Yugoslav Serbs” then became a convenient excuse for trying to carve territory out of Croatia. I make no claims that Serbs were the only side which was willing to resort to force, but in mid-1991 they were the side best positioned to use force and that is the course they decided upon. If Serbs didn’t shoot first, it’s possible that others might have shot first at Serbs. Indeed, it’s even likely they would have. But that’s speculative. The fact is, Serbs were the first to shoot and the first to ethnically cleanse. I know that’s awkward for you, but such facts matter.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  87. Wally says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    said;
    “I understand that you are one of those types who seriously believes the Holocaust is a hoax, but not every and any genocide has to be a hoax just because you believe one genocide is not real.”

    True, I am definitely “one of those types” who demands proof. Which you have not presented.

    And seriously, laughable Zionist controlled Wikipedia citations? LOL
    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for anything which Jews have a special interest in promoting. It’s rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
    http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

    Nothing in those Wikis present actual proof, only biased Zionist unsubstantiated claims.

  88. Wally says:
    @Max Parry

    said:
    “there are archives of photographs of the Ustase posing with the bodies of their victims for god sake).”

    Show them.
    Anything like this laughable fake of Babi Yar?
    caption: “Photo taken from the body of a dead German officer killed in Russia, showing a Nazi firing squad shooting Jews in the back as they sit beside their own mass grave, in Babi Yar, Kiev, 1942.”
    LOL

    See Max Parry shredded here on his laughable ‘Nazi’ obsession:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=max+parry&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

  89. Epigon says:
    @silviosilver

    Are you retarded?
    Slovenians ambushed and murdered Yugo Army conscripts, attacked military bases in 1991 before any hostilities.
    Croats surrounded army bases, cut off power and water, picked off sentries, killed and wounded guards in front of Admiralty in Split.

    In 1992, Bosniaks ambushed a retreating army column whose retreat had been negotiated to avoid any bloodshed, in Dobrovoljačka – murdering army doctors, nurses as well, starting the war in B&H.

    Any average army or country would Waco the shit out of terrorists and armed insurgents.

    A half-Croat half-Serb imbecile (practically every single high officer in Yugo Army was an incompetent party bootlicker) was head of the army – Kadijević.

    At the moment of Yugoslav break-up, a Croat Stipe Mesić was President and a Croat Ante Marković was Prime Minister. The same Stipe Mesić who was Croat President later on, and who was a distinished HDZ separatist politician and ridiculed Ustashe war crimes.

    If only the Serbs did fire the first shot – but there was not a single Serb high up in the army – the reason why low rank officers such as Mladić came to command Serbs in Bosnia. Yugocommunists were the worst commanders and army, rivaling Arabs.

    A single decisive armored throust could have reached Zagreb in 12 h timeframe, deblocked all besieged barracks and bases, and surrounded any separatist hotbeds in flatland Slavonia – there was very little AT weaponry, not to mention no heavy weapons under Croat paramilitary control – the capture of bases would provide the tanks, AT and artillery. But the whole army and secret service were compromised, full of CIA agents like Perišić, Simatović and Stanišić while average Serb was a denationised Yugoboomer retard unaware of what was going on.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @silviosilver
  90. Wally says:
    @Max Parry

    said:
    ” I wouldn’t take such types seriously, I’m sure he also believes the WTC towers are still standing or whatever.”

    So according to Communist Max Parry, Ron Unz is then one of those ‘types that are not to be taken seriously’.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    Quite predictably Parry resorts to a desperate strawman about 9/11 & the “WTC towers” … while he cannot prove what he claims, what he’s been challenged on.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  91. peterAUS says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    What happened at Srebrenica was that the Serbs killed several hundred or several thousand Bosnian Muslim soldiers in a running battle in the hills and valleys as the Muslims retreated out of the safe zone. Those soldiers were concentrated, and relatively easy to hit with machine gun and artillery fire. Thus the high number of casualties.

    Close.

    Possibly some civilians were killed in the heat of the moment, of course.

    Definitely, not possibly.

    But nothing like the most common allegations.

    Wrong.
    There was methodical and well-organized mass execution of captured POWs. The number of executed (by rifle/machinegun fire) is around 2500. The lead man on the ground was Captain Beara , Chief of Security from Mladic HQ, with members of the “10th Detachment” of Serbian Army as shooters.

  92. Max Parry says:
    @Wally

    When did I say I believed the official story about 9/11? (I don’t) You are the one who has built a strawman. You’ve already made up your mind about everything, and any contrary information I present you will mechanically dismiss as ‘fake’ as if you are a forgery expert.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Wally
  93. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Epigon

    The Italian writer and journalist Curzio Malaparte interviewed the poglavnik of Croatia, Ante Pavelic. A large container was in his office filled with what looked like mussels. It was the eyes of Serbs that his “loyal Ustase” sent him, according to Pavelic. If the Germans did anything to rein the Ustase in, it was very necessary.

  94. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    What the author missed regarding Srebrenica is the fact that all excavations have been completed and the total number of human remains is known, as well as the total number of skulls, femurs etc. Not to mention that bodies found with gunshot wounds in the back of the head or with wire around their hands were obvious executions.

    However, not a single Western media account mentions these exact, absolutely relevant numbers.

    It’s a bit more complicated than that.
    Among those complications a fact: certain number of bodies were exhumed and reburied somewhere else, outside of that region, by the Serbian regime, at the time.

    So…hehe…I know that the author and 99.9 % of people commenting on the Srebrenica thing are more or less clueless about it. That’s fine.

    Maybe you aren’t and willing to share that here. Maybe on both, especially…hehe…on the later.
    So…in your opinion….WHO, really, ordered the executions? Beara himself, Mladic…or somebody else? Who was the man?
    My take: something as “Becket thing”.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  95. schrub says:

    I am starting to get the sneaky suspicion that many these crackpots are being egged on by “mysterious” friends they encounter in the groups they frequent on either the mainstream internet or its much more anonymous “dark web” .

    I can also imagine that there is a division of the Mossad (or its junior and much lesser branch, the CIA) whose specific duty is to frequent these sites to deliberately seek out the wackiest and most grudge ridden of these nutjobs and then to encourage them to pursue their wildest fantasies.

    Always remember, cui bono.

  96. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    A single decisive armored throust could have reached Zagreb in 12 h timeframe, deblocked all besieged barracks and bases, and surrounded any separatist hotbeds in flatland Slavonia – there was very little AT weaponry, not to mention no heavy weapons under Croat paramilitary control – the capture of bases would provide the tanks, AT and artillery. But the whole army and secret service were compromised, full of CIA agents like Perišić, Simatović and Stanišić while average Serb was a denationised Yugoboomer retard unaware of what was going on.

    Actually….on second thought, please disregard my question re “The Man” in Srebrenica case.

  97. Epigon says:
    @peterAUS

    Mladić didn’t order it because he was aware of genocide convention (he explicitly went against Karadžić when he was proposing “relocation” and “ethnic engineering” – Mladić called it proposing a genocide and flatly refused) and importance of PR, as well as prisoners being useful for exchanges.
    This can be seen in the way he personally assured Bosniak civilians which were evacuated from the area by bus – nothing happened to them.
    He was sentenced to pin the blame on the whole of VRS.

    Other than that, I don’t know anything for sure and won’t claim anything.
    There is not a single Serb denying that a mass war crime took place and that hundreds/thousands of prisoners were executed.

    The point is that victim count has been thoroughly inflated over the years, every year they hold new burials, people from all over Bosnia are buried, while pushing the nonsensical genocide narrative.
    The most annoying part is that official Bosniak contemporary reports confirm that a major Bosniak Army corps got encircled and fought hard to break the encirclement, with some elements breaking through.

    Instead, we are presented with a ridiculous story of 8000 military age male civilians somehow led by a top Bosniak general finding themselves surrounded by Serbs and getting executed.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  98. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    Well, my previous comment feels a bit odd; you did put some effort and that’s appreciated.
    Besides, even if a person isn’t quite good at, say, “pure military matters”, he/she can be quite good at related (politics, intelligence business etc.)
    Just to be clear: that “armored thrust” of yours, yes, if it had been executed by US Armed Forces. Full, corps sized effort, as seen in, say, Desert Storm. Air force, SF, airborne, armored/mechanized, the full bag. Americans only at the time. Nobody else on the planet at the time. Maybe….maybe…with a stretch, Brits. Anyway, back to the topic.

    Other than that, I don’t know anything for sure and won’t claim anything.

    Fair enough and appreciated. I saw you mentioned “Perišić, Simatović and Stanišić” so, was hoping for some info along those lines. Anyway.

    The point is that victim count has been thoroughly inflated over the years, every year they hold new burials, people from all over Bosnia are buried, while pushing the nonsensical genocide narrative.

    Yes.

    The most annoying part is that official Bosniak contemporary reports confirm that a major Bosniak Army corps got encircled and fought hard to break the encirclement, with some elements breaking through.

    Actually..it was “10th Mountain Division” thing. I say thing because it had nothing to do with “division”. The heaviest weapon those guys had, during the breakout, was a medium machinegun.
    There is MUCH more to “division” than number of men. “Mountain” in particular.
    The bunch trying to break through to Zenica was a mass of armed civilians, mostly disorganized, by any standard.

    BTW, they weren’t lead by any “top Bosnian general”. They were lead by Oric deputy; by any standard a moderately competent company commander; stretch it to a battalion.
    Even Serbs didn’t put their best troops and commanders to their pursuit and destruction.
    It was a sideshow, for Serbs, at the time and the territory.

    Of course, facts don’t matter but that’s how this paradigm works.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  99. @silviosilver

    Secondly, Serbs were the dominant ethnicity in Yugoslavia, so it’s understandable that expressions of Serbian nationalism were thought to require greater monitoring and suppression than other nationalities’. (Although Albanians hardly got off lightly in this regard.) In hindsight, this was a wrongheaded attitude, since it simply provided ammunition to Serbian nationalist claims that Yugoslavia was a hindrance to Serbian interests and aspirations.

    This is not the case. Putting emotionalism aside, there are ca. 30-50 parameters showing who was “the most oppressed” during various periods from 1945 to 1991 (or from 1945 to 1980, Tito’s death). All nations had their ups & downs, but the Croats were definitely the people most under supervision & the most suppressed because Yugoslav authorities knew that the core Croat identity would not, in the 2nd half of the 20th C, tolerate any kind of Yugoslavia. They were well aware that Serbs prefer Yugoslavia, any Yugoslavia because they -or most of them- saw it as extended Serbia, while Croats saw Yugoslavia as the lunatic straitjacket choking their freedom & identity.

    For instance, Yugoslav secret political police prior to the fall of Serbian politician Ranković, Yugoslav number 3. until 1966, possessed dossiers of “suspicious persons”.

    This is how dossiers were distributed among socialist republics, by percentage of the working population:

    B&H– 13%
    Montenegro– 22%
    Croatia– 67%
    Macedonia– 17%
    Slovenia– 28%
    Serbia without Kosovo– 8%
    Kosovo– 36%

    From official statistics, published by Radelić et al. in: Croatia in Socialist Yugoslavia, 2004.

    So, 67% of citizens of Croatia (basically all Croats) were “suspicious elements”, as were 36% inhabitants of Kosovo (virtually all Albanians)-and just 8% citizens of Serbia proper plus Vojvodina.

    No need to elaborate further.

    Gallup polled following ex-Yugoslav republics in 2016: whether the collapse of Yugoslavia was good or bad for your country? Green is good, red is bad. Figures speak for themselves.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @FB
    , @silviosilver
  100. U.S. gun culture is a product of the Cold War

    It goes back much, much further than that, as does US interventionism.

  101. 0 Muslims in OUR AMERICA

    9/11 never happens

    0 probability event

    Which raises the most interesting question:WHY ARE MUSLIMS BEING IMPORTED LEGALLY INTO OUR AMERICA?

    Answer:So Muslim “Americans” can vote NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS-THE HISTORIC RACIAL MAJORITY OF AMERICA into a violently persecuted White Christian Racial Minority within the borders of America….18 years after 9/11…..

    Think about it…

  102. Just a gentle reminder:

    THE ADL=A JEWISH RACE HATE GROUP THAT AGITATES FOR THE GREAT REPLACEMENT-WHITE GENOCIDE….

  103. Dumbo says:
    @Europe realist

    Albanians are not even Slavic, not even European, they are an exogenous tribe mixed with Turks. They belong in Turkey. Certainly not in Kosovo.

    • Replies: @Europe realist
  104. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The degenerate ustachi croats were genocidal in WWII , they were so sadists that even the nazis were disgusted with them . The croats exterminated hundreds of thousands of people , serbian and others in the concentration camp of Jasenovac , and other concentration camps , during WW II ,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  105. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Man…I am getting old. Blame multitasking, or better, writing here during breaks.

    That…. outfit…. was “28th Mountain Division”, commanded (of sort…) by Major Ramiz Bećirović, Oric deputy/Chief of Staff at the time. 1oth Moutain Division is from another universe. US military.

  106. @Dumbo

    If Albanians are not from Europe then why is their language clearly Indo-European? For example, Hungarians are originally not from Europe and it shows in their language which is not Indo-European and looks quite obviously very different.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Malacaay
  107. FB says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interesting poll…it shows everyone other than Croats would prefer the old Yugoslavia…

    Not surprised at all…it was a wonderful country…even in Croatia the nays outnumber the yays by only two to one…I think this will only continue to reverse over time…

    Nobody’s that stupid to prefer servitude to masters in Brussels than having a real country…today’s Balkan statelets are a joke…they must by necessity be dependent on their house masters to the north…that’s not going to last…the South Slavs are a proud people…

    Even Slovenians who are considerably more prosperous than Croatia prefer the old Yugo…that says a lot…

    A lot of young Croatian intellectuals who weren’t even born during the Yugo era have this positive outlook about South Slav common ground…especially as a uniting theme is emerging that Serbs and Croats are in fact autochnonous to the Balkans, with a very old culture dating back to antiquity…

    This is a rejection of the established ‘European historical school’ of the 18’th and 19’th centuries about an alleged ‘Slavic migration’ into the Balkans in the seventh century…

    Genetic maps bear that out… South ‘Slavs’ actually don’t have a lot of the R1a haplogroup that defines Slavs [Slovenes have the most]…

    It’s the I2a haplogroup that dominates Serbs, Croats and Bosnians…from wikipedia…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

    It’s similar to how the Scandinavians are dominated not by the western European R1b, but By the I1 haplogroup…

    In fact it tells us that South ‘Slavs’ have more in common with Scandinavians than either Slavs or Germans…since they share the common I ancestor that dominates both populations…

    Whereas the Germans and Slavs have a different common ancestor the R1…

  108. @FB

    Not surprised at all…it was a wonderful country…even in Croatia the nays outnumber the yays by only two to one…I think this will only continue to reverse over time…

    Curb your enthusiasm.

  109. @Max Parry

    Many of the war crimes committed by Muslims against Serbs and Croats in the Yugoslav Wars were by foreign mujahideen volunteers whose ranks even consisted of two of the future 9/11 hijackers — the Saudi nationals Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — who allegedly seized American Airlines Flight 77 and crashed it into The Pentagon.

    Since you challenged my ability to read I showed the above sentence to several other people and asked them if they thought it served to dispel the myth of the 19 Saudi highjackers armed with boxcutters who perpetrated 9/11 or served to reinforce it. Everyone of them stated that it served to reinforce it. The weasel word “allegedly” didn’t appear to be a factor, but I’m sure that you knew that when you wrote it.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @Anonymous
  110. FB says: • Website
    @FB

    I meant to post this genetic map pf Europe…

    We see clearly here the dividing lines of Europe…the East is dominated by the Slavic R1a…while the west is dominated by R1b…

    Scandinavia AND Balkans are both dominated by the I haplogroup…I2a in the Balkans and I1 in Scandinavia…

    It’s clear that both of these populations have less to do with either the Slavic or western European genetic lineage than they do with each other…

  111. Rex says:

    Brilliant expose. Thanks Max.

  112. Max Parry says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    The way that the comment section on any article on this site, no matter the topic, inevitably becomes about 9/11 is truly yawn inducing.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  113. Wally says:
    @Max Parry

    said:
    “When did I say I believed the official story about 9/11? (I don’t) You are the one who has built a strawman. You’ve already made up your mind about everything, and any contrary information I present you will mechanically dismiss as ‘fake’ as if you are a forgery expert.”

    Hey, catch up & stop lying. I never said that.
    You are the one who posted out of the blue:
    “I’m sure he also believes the WTC towers are still standing or whatever.”
    Which had nothing to do with my comment. It is you who brings in fake arguments every step of the way and I just proved it.

    [MORE]

    – What “contrary information” have you presented?
    You’ve presented nothing.
    – You did claim that there is some sort of alleged “photo archive” …. which you cannot show us? LOL
    – So you belief the fake photo of Babi Yar that I presented is an actual photo of what allegedly happened? LOL
    see here for more:
    Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen ‘Killings’: http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
    I see you also dodged:

    So according to Communist Max Parry, Ron Unz is then one of those ‘types that are not to be taken seriously’.
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    You’re in over your head on subjects you know nothing about, obviously.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  114. @Max Parry

    I had anticipated a weak response from you and I haven’t been disappointed.

    9/11 will likely prove to be one the pivotal events of your lifetime and certainly one in the reduction and even destruction of America’s potential to provide a good life for the American people. That you refer to it as yawn inducing says far more about you than you perhaps intended.

    I feel that it’s only polite that I must thank you anyway for saving me any further time wasted reading anything that you write in future.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  115. Max Parry says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Do you have anything to say about Srebrenica or Christchurch? I’m well aware of how pivotal 9/11 was in my lifetime, and for the record I do not believe the official story at all. Splitting hairs about my mentioning that two of the people who fought for the mujahideen were accused of being involved is utterly tedious.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @peterAUS
  116. FB says: • Website
    @Europe realist

    Look at the genetic map I posted above…The Albanians are dominated by the E1b1b1a1 haplogroup, also known as E-V68…

    This is a haplogroup thought to originate in the Horn of Africa…

    E-V13 has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (approximately 20% in southern areas; up to almost 50% is some particular places and populations[12][13]) and Italy.

    Kosovar Albanians have the highest amount of this haplogroup, 45 percent…

    Albanians in Albania proper 35 percent…

    Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and Romanians also have a substantial amount of this genetic marker, about 20 percent each…Italians about 10 percent…

    Albanians also have about 25 percent of the West Asian haplogroup J2…which is dominant in the Middle East…

    So by looking at the genetics of Albanians they have very little of the dominant European genes like R1a, R1b, or the I family…

    You mentioned the Hungarians…If you look again at the genetic map of Europe above, you will see they have predominantly Slavic R1a and Balkan I2a…they also have the western European R1b in similar proportions…those three are the major haplogroups of Europeans, so Hungarians are dominated by the big three European genes…

    Albanians are dominated by the non-European E1b1b1a1, aka E-V68 [African] and the Middle Eastern J2…

    This tells us that Albanian are the most non-European of all…they came [or were brought] from Africa and the near east and simply picked up the Indo-European language that dominates in Europe…

    • Replies: @Europe realist
  117. peterAUS says:

    The interesting thing about this event is the level of common ignorance even among people who are interested in it, for any reason. Everything is painstakingly investigated and documented and yet……

    It appears that more we, people, can know, less we know actually.

    And, on top of it some desire, or need, to amp up everything. The truth, fact, itself isn’t enough. It must be amped up. All sides.

    In this particular case, one side is talking about 8000 massacred civilians, men and “boys”. Lined up and gunned down. 8000….
    The another about “mountain division”. A fearsome combat force in a determined, well-led, breakthrough.

    And, then, about the third party, of a sort, peacekeepers. A gutted down mechanized batallion with ROEs, and support, not good enough to keep them alive if attacked by an armed gang, let alone Serb forces around. White APCs, for fuck’s sake, in mountains of Bosnia…..

    BTW, I’d say that 99.9 % people reading this post don’t know that even those APCs were disarmed, by peacekeepers themselves, as per orders from “above”. Anti-tank missiles….anyone?
    And calling CAS….it was worse than calling a thermonuclear strike on Moscow now.
    All that documented to an observation post…..communications……air strike run…etc.

    True, facts shouldn’t get in the way of agenda. Left, right, this, that. What’s the expression: “the intelligence was shaped around the policy”. So…here…hehe…the contents of articles and comments are shaped around agendas and preconceived bias.

    Good.

  118. Max Parry says: • Website
    @Wally

    My apologies, in the thread I may have mixed you up with the other 9/11-fixated commenter I’m going back and forth with, as I have difficulty telling you apart.

    • Replies: @Wally
  119. @Max Parry

    No. I stopped reading the article, remember?

    As for splitting hairs, it has been 18 years since the event and nobody has been brought to justice. During that time those behind the real perpetrators have only strengthened their position. This is largely due to third rate “journalists” and hack “writers” either deliberately or unintentionally reinforcing the lies surrounding the event and preventing a tipping point of outrage from growing. Your boredom shows.

  120. peterAUS says:
    @Max Parry

    As for

    ….anything to say about Srebrenica or Christchurch?…

    it’s OBVIOUS what educated, well informed, reasonable and civilized people in the West..hehe…should…. think about them. The later in particular. Especially in public, online pubs as this too.

    Now, I just have a feeling that any Serb from Eastern Bosnia, at the time, Srebrenica in particular, has dramatically different sentiment and lines of thought.
    Like….say..”imagine if the guy had a PKM. What? Weak. You use .50 for the job. Nahh….Nothing beats 20/3. Nothing. What? Just listen.”Praga” is the king. Toast, guys. To “the guy” with “Praga”…….
    Etc.

  121. @silviosilver

    Ask anyone from ex Yugoslavia and they’ll tell you that Bosnian Muslims are the same ethnic group as Serbs and Croats. The only difference is religion.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  122. @Contact Zone

    If you believe Roots, he was. It’s been decades since I read the book though.

  123. Good read. Like your work Mr. Parry. Don’t let the OCD types here bother you too much. Everyone can be strange at times like this. Ol Wally cant get through 1 article without challenging someone/anyone to a shoah-down.

    Tarrant was inspired by Zionism. I agree that the nonstop war and mass murder has inevitably rubbed off on the population here at home. I think the mind altering Big Pharma drugs play a big role too, the way these drugs are over-prescribed and handed out to kids like candy is criminal.

    Add in the media pushing Islamophobia, Russophobia, identity politics, racism, money worship, and just dishonesty/manipulation in general…. its a recipe for disaster, and its intentional. Divide and rule, the oldest trick in the book of empire. It will come back to haunt them all one day, this I’m sure.

    Ukraine Attacks Journalists Who Reported Israeli Weapons Flow to Its Neo-Nazi Militia
    https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/10/ukraine-embassy-israel-arming-nazis-max-blumenthal/

    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @Wally
  124. Great article. I really like Max Parry.
    I realized “The Intercept” was a propaganda tool when I saw an article published there by your subject “staff writer Murtaza Hussain” enthusiastically supporting the western propoganda construct of the “humanitarian White Helmets” (ie the actual terrorists) in Syria.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/01/syrias-white-helmets-risk-everything-to-save-the-victims-of-airstrikes/

    Syria’s White Helmets Risk Everything to Save the Victims of Airstrikes
    Murtaza Hussain

    October 1 2016

  125. Max Parry says:
    @redmudhooch

    Lol, a ‘shoah-down’? Oy vey!

    Thanks for the kind words and for readin, I actually did a pierce earlier about how Tarrant is a Zio-Nazi:

    http://www.unz.com/article/lone-wolf-myth-covers-up-possible-mossad-role-in-new-zealand-terrorist-attack/

  126. @Bardon Kaldian

    but the Croats were definitely the people most under supervision & the most suppressed because Yugoslav authorities knew that the core Croat identity would not, in the 2nd half of the 20th C, tolerate any kind of Yugoslavia. They were well aware that Serbs prefer Yugoslavia, any Yugoslavia because they -or most of them- saw it as extended Serbia, while Croats saw Yugoslavia as the lunatic straitjacket choking their freedom & identity.

    By itself, however, Croatian nationalism would not have been able to bring down Yugoslavia. If there was any imminent threat of separatist maneuvering, the rest of Yugoslavia would have swiftly and willingly moved to clamp down on it. It’s precisely because this could have been done without arousing too much in the way of Serbian nationalist sentiment – since as you say, many/most Serbs already viewed Yugoslavia as an extension of Serbia (though less so with each passing year) – that Croatian nationalism posed a lesser threat to Yugoslav integrity.

    The emergence of Serbian nationalism, on the other hand, was rightly considered to risk inflaming nationalist passions in the other republics, thus very much threatening Yugoslav disintegration – which is ultimately what happened. Although Serbian nationalists err in assigning malicious intent to it, the SFRJ paradigm of ‘sto slabija Srbija, to jaca Jugoslavija’ [the weaker Serbia, the stronger Yugoslavia] was well reasoned.

    And thanks for posting that poll. Some interesting responses there.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  127. @FB

    Even Slovenians who are considerably more prosperous than Croatia prefer the old Yugo…that says a lot…

    The responses that the breakup of Yugoslavia did more harm than good shouldn’t be interpreted to mean these people would like to see a restoration of Yugoslavia. I personally would, but not by force; only if there was overwhelming demand for it, which for the time being there isn’t anything close to.

    In fact it tells us that South ‘Slavs’ have more in common with Scandinavians than either Slavs or Germans…since they share the common I ancestor that dominates both populations…

    Splendid. Just what the region needs: more reasons to hate each other, this time playing the “whiter than thou” game while larping as vikings.

    • Replies: @FB
  128. Miggle says:

    All so, so, so sad.

    The deep, deep evil of all the rulers of the West, the ruling elite, is very clearly shown.

    Further, the deep evil of Democracy, the religion that replaced Christianity, is made plain. (I mean universal suffrage, not the original Athenian approach of electing representatives by lot, and not the Marxist idea of rule by the poor, allowing them only to vote.)

    Someone commenting here has suggested that Russia should nuke the USA. It looks like a good idea, but the consequences, the USA nuking Russia too, make it too difficult.

    But this horror continues, the pretence that Russia threatens Europe so the USA’s instrument NATO moves its forces to the Russian border, i.e. the reverse of the truth. The West threatens Russia when Russia does not threaten the West, but is not amenable to being plundered by the West. And we have the slow destruction of Ukraine for the same purpose, to move US forces to the edge of Russia. And there’s Georgia. And that’s probably the real game relating to Iran. Iran is close to Russia yet is independent, which can’t be allowed.

    Nuking Poland might be a good approach, except that it’s too close to Russia: radiation would waft back, depending on the weather on the day Poland disappeared.

    There’s too much total insanity associated with this. Why does Poland want to self-destruct, to guarantee that it will cease to exist? Why the insanity of Germany, allowing itself still to be under occupation by US forces?

    At the time of the Skripal poisonings and the hostilities towards Russia by all of Europe so nicely cultivated by those poisonings I thought the provocateur, Britain, needed to be nuked by Russia.

    Now I think the same again. Britain is one of the most evil, and the disappearance of all life on the island could only be beneficial to the world. It would take about an hour, and it’s isolated by water from the rest of Europe so the side effects would not be great.

    If Russia did that, what would the USA do in response? Nothing. Make a lot of noises, but nothing else.

    Well, would France fire nuclear missiles at Russia? No.

    Let Britain act urgently to get Poland, Romania and Germany to expel all NATO and all American forces. If Britain can Brexit from the EU it can Brexit from NATO, and needs to realize that that is the most urgent.

    Otherwise, Russia, go ahead, nuke Britain. Problem solved.

  129. @Epigon

    Slovenians ambushed and murdered Yugo Army conscripts, attacked military bases in 1991 before any hostilities.
    Croats surrounded army bases, cut off power and water, picked off sentries, killed and wounded guards in front of Admiralty in Split.

    Firstly, those actions were intended to secure independence from Yugoslavia, they weren’t targeting Serbs for ethnic reasons. Secondly, they took place in 1991. Tell me: which year were “Serbian autonomous zones” formed?

    As for the rest of your post, I’m not sure what you think you’re disagreeing with. You’re really just confirming my claim that, by 1991, there was no will to hold Yugoslavia together. Let’s consider some of the personalities you named.

    General Kadijevic. It’s my understanding that the JNA officers existed in their own little world, separated from mainstream society and somewhat blind to its goings on. Yet Kadijevic clearly had his finger on the country’s pulse for he warned early and often that certain political developments were threatening to destroy Yugolavia and that the time to act was now. Ultimately, however, even he lacked the will to act.

    Ante Markovic. A forlorn figure, a Yugoslavist liberal reformer in a land bereft of Yugoslav liberal reformers, by 1991 it was clear he had no constituency for carrying out his reforms and he quietly exited the scene.

    Stipe Mesic. A man with obvious Croatian secessionist sympathies who, by the time he took office in the rotating presidency, clearly saw his task as facilitating Slovenian and Croatian independence. In this case, Yugoslavism fell victim to the political structure erected after Tito’s death; but that simply confirms my claim that the leadership of the country lacked sufficient Yugoslavists.

  130. Malacaay says:

    A nice song. Yet it’s typical Serbo trash story: they never had any intention of “removing kebab;” they not only allowed kebab to remain but adopted kebab’s many cultural norms. Do you know how Serbois came into possession of that crest/coat of arms of theirs, hmm? It is Byzantium’s coat of arms which they were given by Turkish sultan Mehmet as the payment for their deeds after the fall of Constantinople in 1453 (Serbois led by their chief Vuk Brankovic were Turkish dogs, and Turks rewarded them for their services). It’s all trash talk with the Sarmatians… the Serbois.

  131. Malacaay says:
    @Europe realist

    Albanians are not natives to Haemus Mons peninsula. They came here with the Turks. Albanians are native to the Caucasian region. They are like their relatives the Georgians, and if you look at them you will notice the same behavioral patterns, physiology and mental shapes as you will find with their Georgian or Armenian brethren. This is where they came from:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

    As for Illyrian language, we Illyrians adopted Latin lingua and Roman culture (as were our Thracian brethren), hence the name Illyro-Roman (or Thraco-Roman): the first part of the name referring to ethnic origin and the second to particular culture and civilizational realm. Illyrian and Thracian languages were lost long time ago, but they were closely related to the Latin lingua as evident by exact particular words and names which survived from Thracian lingua, words like the Thracian word “haemus” which means “blood” (the same word you can find in Latin and in many works of Roman literature) and words like “mons” which means “mountain” (mons is the name for hills and mountains in Latin too). Albanian language has nothing in common or share any origin with hracian or Illyrian. Thracian and Illyrian linguas were already gone for over than millenia after Albanins came here in Turco invasion. Thracians and Illyrians adopted Latin lingua and Roman culture.

    You see me using English in conversation with you? You think I am English because of that, hmm? People unfortunately never quite understood that culture doesn’t make you what you are. Only your blood does.

    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Europe realist
  132. Malacaay says:
    @anonymous

    Today Bosnia and Herzegovina is a mirror image of Yugoslavia, and as Yugoslavia it’s a freak show where Bosnians (a people formerly referred to as “Muslims” by the communists and their constitution of 1974) want to colonize Croats and take over our land Herzegovina as well as Serb people and their land Republic of Serbska. Serbs wished to do the same in Yugoslavian example… in both Yugoslavias. Only roles are different as now Bosnians have population number on their side and they are playing the collonizers while other 2 nations who were thrown in against their will into that cesspool known as Bosnian and Herzegovina are defending themselves afainst Bosnian colonization and economic exploitation they are subjected to. Bosnia. Isn’t that a disgusting place. Who has ever seen a river (for Bosnia is a river) having its realm, and what a moronic people those must be to call and identify themselves by the name of a river. That’s moronism only Slavic dogs from central Europa (for that’s how Bosnia came to be in the 12th century: it was formed by Slavo-Hunnic invasion and first Bosnian ruler was a Croat named Boric who was from Slavonia) could ever succumb to. Not even amphibians, who we are told lack cerebral power, would ever do something like that. Amphibians are… sensible creatures. Slavs, just like Sarmatians, are scum… scum which needs to be eradicated from Haemus Mons peninsula. It’s an invasive infection. When you add muslimes to the toxic combo you get a black hole. That’s what multiculturalism of that which doesn’t go together always is.

  133. @FB

    FB,

    Southern Slavs have a lot more in common with each other, culturally, linguistically, etc. than with any others yet hate each other most. Sort of like the Irish and the Muslims with their religious divisions. Obviously this is very useful when trying to implement divide and rule and get the dogs fighting each other, and it’s made use of by those with interests to do so and will be again, even, or especially, in the Balkans.

    Pan Southern Slavism or Yugoslavism was very popular in the early 20th Century and it was promoted by certain great powers as it served to break up the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires. It has run its course and Yugoslavia was dismantled to balkanise and weaken the region even further as other plans are under way.

    Similarly with communism. This ideology was extremely popular at one time, as was fascism, and these also served to divide the nations and pit one against the other. They served their purpose, and although they may have been of benefit to some populations at certain times they are largely dead and gone. Interesting from a historical perspective and to get people like Wally here arguing but I can’t really see a revival of either although almost everybody is smeared with being either or both at some point on fringe sites like these, and will be in the future, especially as new populist parties and political forces arise to challenge globalism.

    I think that Croatian nationalists initially supported Yugoslavia and then communism after WWI as a vehicle to get as much as they could for themselves but then threw their lot in with the Axis powers during WWII so as to get their independence. Personally I can’t see why Serbian and Croatian nationalists, even the ultra ultra types, can’t keep on hating each other but still cooperate in the future, as I would think they have a common enemy – the globalists who will eventually try to eradicate both their nations – as that is the project under way there now that Yugoslavia has been broken up. All the rest there, except for the unltranationalists, are just plain fifth columnists working on the globohomo project. That is among the politically active ones; the vast majority are just disinterested in anything except getting on with scarping a living. Much as anywhere else I guess.

    Of course Milosevic was demonised as he was one of the last leaders to resist the globalists. But there wasn’t much that he could have done given the geopolitical situation at the time. He should have just gone to Russia with his wife and family to live the rest of his life in peace instead of thinking he could somehow rehabilitate himself or the Serbs in that kangaroo globalist court in De Hague, a court set up by the biggest war criminals on the planet who were never arrested or brought to justice for all the crimes they committed in wars in Yugoslavia and elsewhere. Funnily enough the Serbs hate Milosevic as much as anyone else there in ex-Yugoslavia. Of course he was a plant by the international bankers, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, to get a job done – and I guess he did in a way. Still he seems to have woken up eventually to what it was all about and towards the end saw clearly what was coming. Here is his last official speech of 2 October 2000, one of the best anti-globalist speeches you’ll come across, with English subtitles:

    Or if you prefer just the English text:

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/spch-oc2000.htm

  134. Malacaay says:
    @Ron Unz

    Your impression is wrong. We Illyrians (that would be us Croats as we are described now) have no hate for Macedonians or Greeks. Hate was first created in the 1st Yugoslavia by the Serbs who tried to colonize us, and then masonic communist gave it an extra push and breathed big life into it. There is affection for Macedons in our people. Less so for the Greeks, but we don’t hate Greeks. Greeks are where they should be. But you know who isn’t? Serbs and Bosnians and our name “Croats.” We have no love for Slavic dogs, an invasive specie from Carpathian mountains and its basin. We can speak Slavic dosigned lingua, but that doesn’t make us Slavs anymore than speaking that le French filth of language for example makes Afrikans (there are hundreds of millions Afrikans who speak le French language, but they are no le French). Our plight came with invasive species, the same as everywhere else.

  135. Malacaay says:
    @Korenchkin

    No, Serbo. Serbs (Serbois) are Sarmatians. That native poeple you have in you are of our Illyrian and Thracian origins, but Serbois, Albanians or Croats are no Illyrians. Or Thracians. You are invasive species who were colonizing our people. That’s all.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Korenchkin
  136. Malacaay says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yea, Serois run like rabbits. When they had Yugoslav army fighting for them, they were strong and ethnically cleansed all the lands of Croats which they had taken before that. Also raping women, that Serbo specialty. That’s when Serbos were strong. But when Yugo army was matched in arms, suddenly they no longer were. Then they run like rabbits as Milosevic himself confessed. Serbo Krajina army was running over their own people in their flight.

  137. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Nothing could be clearer. He wasn’t writing about the various 9/11 issues that you and other truthers raise. He was identifying a couple of men as allegedly responsible for flying a plane into the Pentagon. No more no less, unless you are an obsessive. You are certainly ungracious given that uou even eent along with some of his crap about the Christchurch attack in his earlier article.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  138. Malacaay says:
    @Korenchkin

    That’s right. Montenegro, formerly called Dioclea, is Dalmatian – i.e. Illyrian realm always, and will always be so. Herzegovina too. Diocleans don’t like you Serbois. No need to wonder why. It’s because Diocleans are no Serbois. Diocleans are Dalmatians, Illyrians.

  139. Malacaay says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Serbs came as refugees to today Croatia. They have nothing in Croatia. Serbs expelled/ethnically occupied part of Croatia they called Krajina of all Croats from 1991 to 1995, when they finally left for their homelands in Serbia after spending centuries here and never assimilating. Serbs got Banat, Backa and Srijem which they merged into region known as Vojvodina today. What happened to 300.000 Germans who were living in region of today Vojvodina? They were expelled/ethnically cleansed. I don’t ever see Germans ever moaning about their harsh treatment by Slavs in the east and Serbois from Vojvodina (millions of Germans were expelled from the east for example), but Serbois always bitch, moan and cry in hope of getting something in return for their… snivels. I’ll tell you something. Serbois raped thousands of Croatian women in the first year of war when they were ethnically cleansing our land from our people, but Serbo women were not raped by Croatian army when we ethnically cleansed them.

  140. Malacaay says:
    @Epigon

    Proclaiming that Catholic or Orthodox Illyrian people are Serbois is great, hmm? Clown Diocleans or Montnegrins how you know them today are Orthodox people, but they are not Serbois. Macedonians are orthodox people but they are no Serbois. Catholics south of Korana and Sava rivers are no Serbois. Even muslimos would rather be dogs than Serbois as they often remark. Serbs of course did try to colonize and make Serbois out of Diocleans and Macedons, their fellow Orthodox people as they though. But they couldn’t because they don’t belong to Serboi people. They are no Sarmatians. Macedons are our old native people. Diocleans or Montenegrins are Illyrians, that is Dalmatians. Not Sarmatians. Not Slavs even though we all speak slavic lingua, although enriched and refined with many of our native words.

    You speak about Bosnian queen. Do you know how that region came to be, hmm? Do you know who fomed Bosnia and who was iots fits ruler (ban or duke). It was a Croat from Slavonia named Boric. He was Hunnic vassal (hence the title ban there).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Borić

    That degenerate land called after a river had Croatian founder from Pannonia. But today people who call themselves Bosnians have nothing in common with Slavs from Slavonia in Pannonia. Or Serbs. They are Turks. Turks who speak Slavic lingua. They have Turkish mentality, Turkish customs, Turkish morals, Turkish religion, even their names. That Croat dukedom of Bosnia is not today Bosnia. Herzegovina was always part of Dalmatia, it was Dalmazia Turca (Dalmatia occupied by the Turks) as Venetians always called it. Bosnia is Turkish. it’s neither Croatian or Serbian. Here.

  141. @silviosilver

    Here, the two themes are mixed: the level of suppression & the power of any nation’s nationalism to destroy Yugoslavia.

    Historians agree that only two nationalisms, Croatian and Serbian, were potentially a death threat to the existence of Yugoslavia (Slovene, Bosniak, Macedonian or even Albanian, not so). In the case of Croatian nationalism, it would have destroyed Yugoslavia by splitting it into two parts- hence old Slovene-Serbian axis of support & anti-Croatian collaboration. When this axis vanished in the late 1980s, Yugoslavia was ready for dissolution (peaceful or not).

    Serbian nationalism in more extreme forms had two faces: one is Serbo-slavia & another is Greater Serbia. In the first case, it would be the dominance (economic, political, social, cultural, military,..) in the whole of Yugoslavia; another is an open war against Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians (perhaps Macedonians, but it didn’t come to pass) with the intent of creating by war & ethnic cleansing a monolithic Serbian state which would have incorporated large chunks of neighboring lands (basically, it is Moljević’s plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia )

    As for the level of oppression, it is wrong to conflate this issue with the assessment of “who could endanger Yugoslavia’s existence the most”. By all significant parameters, and there are at least 20-30 of them (number of political prisoners, economic exploitation, suppression of cultural identity, percentage of forced economic migration as a tool for ethnic engineering, the number of people killed & imprisoned after 1945. because of their nationality & political associations, percentage of a nationality in the officer corps, percentage of a nationality’s unemployment due to Yugoslav economic policy of not developing “suspicious” regions, effects of central Yugoslav planning on a nation’s/republic’s prosperity, persecution of a nation’s cultural & religious elites, …)- there can be no doubt that Croats had been the most suppressed Yugoslav nation from 1945. to 1991.

    It is good that this country finally dissolved, although it would had been better had it been without war. As yet, only Bosnia & Herzegovina remains as a problem, but the future of that country is more in the hands of the international community. To put it shortly: with wise international policy, B & H is, although shaky, sustainable; with or without any international policy, Yugoslavia was doomed because most of their peoples wanted their own nation-states.

    Be as it may- this has nothing to do with Christchurch shooting. In ex-Yugoslavia case, it was about competing nations who lived there for centuries; in the NZ case, it was an act of terrorism provoked by fear of being swamped by an unassimilable, recently arrived ethnic-cultural-religious group that should not had been allowed to settle there in the first place.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  142. Malacaay says:
    @silviosilver

    Serboi reluctance to expel Albanians from Kosovo cost them Kosovo. But much worse yet, Orthodox reluctance to expel every last vestige of Muslimo presence after the Turkish occupiers were driven out has cost Haemus Mons a much more that. Muslimos are like a cancer here, a carcinogenic culture which does not belong to our part of world. And it ever seeks to spread. See what us Catholics did in Iberian peninsula, hmm? Reconquista. And Iberia went after that to rule the world… for a while anyhow. But Orthodox make majority on our peninsula, and they are worthless, so they made our Haemus Mons homeland a cesspool.

    Anyhow, when Orthodox people could have make things right, do you know what Serbois and their fellow Bulgarians and Greeks Orthodox did after Turkish occupiers were finally expelled, hmm? They started fighting among themselves about who would occupy and colonize Macedonia. They didn’t bother with Muslimos ever though Muslimos, Ottomans themselves even, were still present. They didn’t even seek to liberate Constantinople and they call themselves filthy Orthodox. Disgusting really. There can be no punishment light enough for these despicable kinds. Turkic Bulgars, Sarmatian Serbois and Greeks are all to blame. They yearn for guidance. They yearn for triumph, as we do all.

  143. @FB

    If national kinship was on ethnic grounds then the Irish and English would want to be part of the same state as they are almost genetically identical, yet from what I’ve read of Irish commentators there isn’t a country in the world that they would want to be united with less than England, same goes for many Scots.

    So clearly culture and historic rivalries/grievances trump genetics, at least in the case of the British Isles.

    • Replies: @FB
  144. Malacaay says:
    @Europe realist

    Huns are not European, while Magyars are Ugric people. It all depends on what one consider Europe in the end. These are Ugro-Finic people. They do resemble Europeans in appearance in ways Turkics do not.

  145. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Listen clown, nobody except Serbois would ever go into Yugoslavia. People remember better economic conditions which is natural considering that Yugoslavia had technological transfer the same as USSR did (USSR didn’t become an industrial juggernaut all of the sudden, it didn’t come out of backward agrarian, most in the world indebted country that Russia was, and leave the prime empire of the time, the British one, far away behind in the dust in such a short lifespan of just a couple of decades: it had technological transfer, and those cars riding in Tatar (or fake Russky) streets which were copies of European technological transfer were prime proof of that). Nobody would go back to be Serbo cesspool, rest assured clown. Montenegrins don’t like Serbois. I know better than most. Slovenians certainly wouldn’t tolerate Serbois ruling them either. Bosnians say they would rather be dogs than Serbs. Albanians hate Serbois with passion. I know. I live here. Where do you live clown to put out such preposterous claims, hmm?

    Did you know that if you had even a single Serboi living in your town in former Yugoslavia, that Serboi had to be director. And of course other Serbois would come too. Yugoslavia was a country made for Serbois, just like today Bosnia Herzegovina for example is a country made for Bosnians, even though Bosnians are just one of 3 constitutional nations making that “international” protectorate. Those other 2 nations are held there against their will. Now if Yugoslavia was such a success BIH must be even bigger as it’s smaller and had a big infusion of capital to make Bosnians happy (and employed in administration). But that’s not so, is it? On the contrary, the opposite is true as is evident by desire of other 2 nations/people – Serbo and Croat ones – to leave that exploitative cesspool of Bosnians as soon as possible. So was the case with Yugoslavia. The rule is, if you don’t have consent of the people for something, you have nothing, no legitimacy for anything. Yugoslavia didn’t have consent of others. Serbois thought it was theirs and they behaved like it was. But that is not the only cause, causes are many of course. It’s not possible to form political union with those you are in constant strife with, with whom you wage war after war, commit genocides or massacres, with someone who desires your land and wants to take it. These acts themselves speak, confirm and poof that fact alone. Anyone with with 3 neurons in their head can see that.

    • Replies: @FB
  146. Malacaay says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    They are not same ethnic group as Serbs, and neither are Croats the same ethnic group as the Serbs which is evident by different mentality, different culture, different understanding, comprehension, intellect, reasoning, disposition et al. The fact that multicultural society as Yugoslavia was, even though it spoke and still speaks the same language, couldn’t survive because of these differences in mentality is proof enough for the smart and intelligent people. Libtards like you won’t get it so your kind ever seeks repetitions, as if you will understand second time what first one you could not.

    Muslimes do not cherish intelligence or any other civilizational and cultural advancement. Or decency. Muslimes live to serve their foul pleasures and sensual desires much like white trash known as liberals and those Afrikans do. Muslimes are sensualists. Bosnians are a fine example of that. You know there was never any Bosnian in former Yugoslavia worthy of respect. A small population of Croato Catholics managed to give birth to 2 Nobels there, but 10 times more numeros Muslimes never managed to make anything other than breed and express their muslimo sexual depravity. Now the question is who would be willing to nurse these cancers, because that is what you will have to do. Nurse them. We are not. Serbois are not. Who is then? Best to send them to elysium in Russia/Tatarstan, the land where Turkics, Huns and Muslimos belong to. Tatarstan aka Russia is big enough to house all the Turks.

  147. Robjil says:

    What about this? Robert Baer talks about the CIA creation of this destruction of Yugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia was one of the founders of the non-align nation movement. After 1991, non-align nation was a forbidden concept. The ZUS wanted its Full Spectrum Dominance thing rolled out. Wolfowitz theme park had to go on. Iraq and Yugoslavia were the first targets for this ZUS theme park of our planet.

    Yugoslavia was divided up into seven pieces. Ironically, the next war was Destroying Seven nations for Yahweh’s Israel. This mania comes from the Tanakh/Old Testament – Deut. 7.1-2. Six are already messed up. Iran is the last one. So, Iran is in the ZUS news all the time for that.

    http://www.ebritic.com/?p=551270

    We all know of Srebrenica, can you say about it?

    Yes! In 1992 I was in Bosnia again, but this time we were supposed to train military units to represent Bosnia, a new state that had just declared independence. Srebrenica is an exaggerated story and unfortunately many people are being manipulated. The number of victims is the same as the number of Serbs and others killed but Srebrenica is political marketing. My boss, who was formerly a US Senator, stressed repeatedly that some kind of scam would go down in Bosnia. A month before the alleged genocide in Srebrenica, he told me that the town would be headline news around the world and ordered us to call the media. When I asked why, he said you’ll see. The new Bosnian army got the order to attack homes and civilians. These were of course citizens of Srebrenica. At the same moment, the Serbs attacked from the other side. Probably someone had paid to incite them!

  148. Malacaay says:

    There is also burning problem related with these invasive Muslimo kind in respect their occupation of Thracia, Constantinople and whole of Anatolia, the lands which do not belong to them yet which they still hold occupied centuries after their foul presence was first felt there. Troy or Ilium is not Turkish. Bythinia is not Turkish. Lydia are not Turkish. Cilicia is not Turkish. Phrygia, Caria, Cappadocia, Ephesus, Paphlagonia, Tarsus and Lycia is not Turkish. Bottom line is that Turks have to pay for their occupation of Constantinople, Thracia, Troy and Bythinia. Other things could be tolerated but not these, not their foul occupation of these sacred places. The price is their blood and expulsion.

  149. @FB

    J2 levels are higher in Greece than they are in Albania, so overall Greeks don’t appear to have much if any lower levels of non-European Haplogroups than Albanians do. So if you’re going to argue that Albanians are non-Europeans who started speaking a European language then you might as well make the same argument for modern Greeks.

    Of course, it all comes down to religion. People don’t claim Greeks are non-European because they’re Orthodox, whereas people claim that Albanians are non-European because they’re mostly Muslim but religion is not very concrete ground to base ethnicity on. I suspect the reason many but not all Albanians converted to Islam is because they didn’t have a very strong religious identity to begin with.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  150. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Then you might as well argue that English, Scottish and Irish are all fictional terms dreamed up by anti-British leftists who seek to divide the very ethnically and culturally similar people of the British Isles. Yet almost no one claims that.

  151. @Anonymous

    Everything is clearer than your poor excuse for a comment. The fact remains that the USA is on the ropes and time is running out. Exposing the crimes of the deep state against Yugoslavia is like a man dying of cancer complaining about his ingrown toenail. It is sad but in the big picture it is not relevant to very much of anything.

    The cancerous tissue needs to be identified, exposed and removed. 9/11 is by far the best shot as it is still an open wound. JFK was too long ago and the Holohoax mythology is much too well established. When a so-called “woke writer” such as Max Parry writes anything that serves to reinforce the nonsensical mythology of 9/11 it is even worse than when Zio-mouthpieces do it.

    I really don’t expect you to get it, your “comment” convinced me of that, but possibly others will.

  152. @Commentator Mike

    Personally I can’t see why Serbian and Croatian nationalists, even the ultra ultra types, can’t keep on hating each other but still cooperate in the future, as I would think they have a common enemy – the globalists who will eventually try to eradicate both their nations – as that is the project under way there now that Yugoslavia has been broken up.

    That’s quite logical, but logic cannot even begin to compete with emotion. The Greek example is instructive here. A slavophone Greek claiming a “Macedonian” identity is enough to incite street protests, but there are some 50-200 times as many Albanian immigrants, and who knows how many more non-European immigrants, in Greece as there are autochthonous slavophones, yet these don’t excite Greek passions a hundredth part as much. So it’s quite possible that Croats, for all their hard won freedom, will continue to focus their anger on Serbs as their country fills up with non-whites. (And the same thing with Serbia and elsewhere as their economies develop to the point they’re attractive to immigrants.)

  153. @Europe realist

    People don’t claim Greeks are non-European because they’re Orthodox, whereas people claim that Albanians are non-European because they’re mostly Muslim

    That’s not really true. Plenty of people question the whiteness of Greeks. Perhaps that’s not quite the same thing as claiming that Greeks aren’t culturally European, but their Christianity has certainly not spared them from racial criticism.

  154. Miggle says:
    @Malacaay

    Languages “borrow” (i.e. steal) words from other languages. A professional philologist needs to publish a thesis in support of what you are saying about the Illyrian language before it can be credible, Malacaay.

  155. @silviosilver

    The same can be said for why can’t the Irish and English unite against a common enemy and threat, as to an outsider they appear so similar. Yet there is no country that the Irish collectively hate more than England, they would rather be a vassal state of Germany than have anything to do with England/Britain especially Brexit Britain. It’s the same in Ireland as with the Greek example you gave, Ireland is full of violent non-white immigrants and yet most of the Irish don’t care, it’s their historic grievances with the English that angers them.

    I don’t see that ever changing, as time goes on the Irish only seem to hate England more and more. The situation doesn’t seem much different in the Balkans.

  156. @Europe realist

    Oh I agree with that. It’s almost too obvious for words. It’s just that some people seem to have the impression that the Balkans, with their infamous “hatreds,” might just prove to be an exception to the general European trend. So I wanted to point out that it’s probably not so.

  157. @Malacaay

    I agree that there isn’t enough evidence to say that the Albanian language is derived from Thracian or Illyrian, but structurally the Albanian language is clearly Indo-European. If they came from the Caucasus then why don’t they speak a Caucasian language?

    The only possible explanation I can think of is that the Albanians originally spoke an Indo-European language in their original Caucasian homeland, like how Armenian is an Indo-European language even though they are geographically part of the Caucasus.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  158. @silviosilver

    Yes I understand their passion, like of most who have historical grievances against their neighbours. However, I am not sure that most Greeks, or any others there or elsewhere, are happy about the immigrants. I don’t know, maybe it is more acceptable to have mass protests against someone from across the border rather than those who are in your country, because of PC or whatever. Look at the West, they obviously spread hate against foreign countries in their media, against many muslim nations, even calling for wars against them, but they sort of disguise it as being against regimes or dictators, yet they then go over there and kill ordinary people and destroy their countries while driving many of them to the West where then they receive them with open arms as refugees from the wars they themselves created. Yet in their own countries nobody can say anything against their local muslims or those refugees as it then suddenly becomes islamophobia and you can get slapped with hate charges. I’d say the case is the same with the Irish as a response to Europe realist’s comment below. This kind of situation is obviously something that is promoted by globalists and favours there plans so that you have to keep your mouth shut about those you can’t stand in your own country and then get sent into the army to go kill them in their own countries while others cheer you on. There’s that other article by Amalric on UR about how many in the West express their islamophobia vicariously by supporting Israel, as Israel can get away with doing what they themselves can’t or aren’t allowed to. Yes, forbidden by those same Jews, but many don’t take it that far, or they just keep even more quiet because of anti-semitism charges. Could be?

  159. @Commentator Mike

    almost everybody is smeared with being either or both at some point on fringe sites like these

    I didn’t word that quite correctly. My apologies for calling UR a fringe site. RU has shown that as far as intellectual sites go UR isn’t really fringe. And actually being called a fascist or communist as a slur is also common in MSM. I guess I’m spending too much time reading UR and noticing the frequency of those commenters who can’t restrain themselves from throwing insults around and tarnishing the image of the site which should aim for a more civilised level of debate. Well, just my opinion.

  160. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    Look you fucking peanut-brain…I’m not interested in a diarrhea-fest from some retarded tree monkey with a halitosis problem…

    What the fuck do you know about ‘technology’ you little squeaking gerbil…?

    After WW2 the nearly destroyed Soviet Union put the first human in space within a span of less than two decades…I suppose that was a technology transfer…?

    That’s real fucking brilliant right there, Einstein…

    Let me educate your bare-bottomed, illiterate ass about some real technology transfers…

    [MORE]

    In the early 1990s the Russians developed the first working scramjet engine…a revolutionary new means of air-breathing propulsion that is considered the ‘final frontier’ in aeronautics…

    The Kholod tesbed first flew in 1991…the new post-Soviet and western-friendly regime foolishly invited Nasa to participate in the flight tests…the US having zero scramjet technology at the time…[or anyone else for that matter…]

    Over the course of the 1990’s Nasa was allowed to participate in the Russian scramjet flight testing in at the Sary Shagan test range in Kazakhstan…a Nasa paper from 1998 describes the tests and the scramjet achieving a speed of Mach 6.5…

    …the Central Institute of Aviation Motors (CIAM), Moscow, Russia, conducted three rocket boosted flight tests of its axisymmetric dual-mode Mach 6 design scramjet (fig. 1). The first was in November 1991…

    In November 1994, NASA contracted with CIAM to continue exploring the scramjet operating envelope…

    But despite this massive cutting edge aerospace technology transfer back in the ’90s the US still hasn’t been able to field a production-ready scramjet engine more than two decades later…and is in fact still hopelessly behind…

    While Russia has been producing the scramjet-powered Zirkon hypersonic anti-ship missile for several years now…with a demonstrated top speed of over M 8…

    In the ’90s when I was working at Nasa Ames, Nasa relied on a massive transfer of space station technology from the Russians, in order to build the ISS…at that time the world’s only space station…the Russian Mir had already been in operation for years…the first space station with long-term, continuous human habitation…

    The US had ZERO space station technology…which is why the functional core of the ISS is the Russian Zvezda module…which was actually built during Soviet times as Mir 2…

    [Zvezda] provides all of the station’s life support systems, some of which are supplemented in the USOS…

    Zvezda provided early living quarters, a life support system, a communication system (Zvezda introduced a 10 Mbit/s Ethernet network to the ISS), electrical power distribution, a data processing system, a flight control system, and a propulsion system.

    These quarters and some, but not all, systems have since been supplemented by additional ISS components.

    Without Russian technology there would be no space station…another massive technology transfer which I witnessed personally, as the entire thing was basically run by Russian engineers, with my American colleagues playing the role of attentive apprentices…

    Expedition 43 crew celebrate a birthday in Zvezda module, 2015

    Let’s talk about rocket engine technology…it’s no secret to anyone that the US has been relying on Russian engines to launch vital national security payloads, including spy sats…

    In 2015, Julie Van Kleeck, vice president, advanced space and launch systems for Aerojet Rocketdyne, the nation’s flagship rocket engine maker, testified before the House Armed Services Committee…

    Russia is the world leader in hydrocarbon engines and a Russian produced engine,the RD-180 powers America’s most versatile U.S.launch vehicle, the Atlas V.

    The Russian RD-180 uses an advanced staged combustion cycle that provides significant launch vehicle performance benefit; thus it is not surprising that it was selected during the EELV competition to power the Atlas.

    There were no equivalent engines in the U.S.inventory at that time and, sadly, that situation still exists today.

    But not only is the US forced to buy advanced engine technology from Russia, the back story of this deal involved a HUGE technology transfer of these advanced engines, as told by Jim Sackett a Lockheed engineer working for Nasa in the ’90s…who was instrumental in clinching the RD-180 deal…

    The US Air Force, Lockheed’s main customer, demanded access to 10 key technologies needed to produce the RD-180, in case relations with Russia ever foundered and America had to make the engines itself.

    It was a big ask. The US was after a crown jewel of Soviet space technology, and the Russian government was not thrilled…

    But even with this massive technology transfer the US still isn’t able to build a copy of the RD-180…after 20 years…

    The Russian RD-180 engine has powered dozens of Atlas V launches, some carrying satellites designed to spy on, among other countries, the one where it was built.

    I could go on at some length…take the space toilet for instance… a rather fundamental piece of equipment for obvious reasons [unless you rely on Depends, which seems to be the case with your sorry ass…]

    …the Soyuz spacecraft had an onboard toilet facility since its introduction in 1967 (due to the additional space in the Orbital Module), all Gemini and Apollo spacecraft required astronauts to urinate in a so-called “relief tube” in which the contents were dumped into space (an example would be the urine dump scene in the movie Apollo 13), while fecal matter was collected in specially-designed bags.

    The US didn’t have a space toilet until Shuttle 14 years later…

    Zero Gravity Toilet on the International Space Station in the Zvezda Service Module…

    Then of course, we have the situation that the US has had zero capability to put humans into space for the last decade… relying on Russian spacecraft instead…

    The Chinese likewise relied on Russian technology in order to become the third nation to put a human in space…

    Shenzhou (/ˈʃɛnˈdʒoʊ/[1] or /ʃɛnˈzuː/; Chinese: 神舟; pinyin: Shénzhōu) is a spacecraft developed and operated by China using Soyuz technology to support its crewed spaceflight program.

    China signed a deal with Russia in 1995 for the transfer of Soyuz technology, including life support and docking systems.

    I’m not even going to get into the fact that Russia is already fielding the world’s first and only hypersonic glide vehicle, the Avangard…which flies at Mach 27 by skipping off the top of the atmosphere like a pebble over a pond…fullfilling a 70 year old dream of aerospace engineers, which originated with Eugene Sanger’s Silbervogel concept for an atmosphere skimming spaceplane during WW2…

    US boost-glide technology is generations behind…

    The fact is that huge amounts of Soviet technology have been transferred to the US…this is a result of the hugely successful Soviet focus on human development, especially in the hard sciences…

    The academic and scientific base they developed was a showcase for the whole world as to what was possible in advancing human capabilities in the most demanding and challenging technology human’s have ever grappled with…spaceflight…

    This kind of knowledge base is something you build, not transfer…it is the result of decades of building institutions of higher learning…something the Germans demonstrated over the course of decades of studious work in the first half of the last century…

    The Soviet communist system was even more focused and successful…even today Russia graduates twice as many enginers as the US, with half the population…

    Amazing that a completely technically illiterate moron like yourself can come on here and start squirting diarrhea out your nose…

    Apologies to Peter Griffin for comparing him to a mental midget like yourself…

    I hope this well deserved drubbing I have administered will serve to have the salutary effect of a good punch in head, which is often necessary in the case of aggressive, yet retarded morons who decide to make a nuisance of themselves…

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  161. Vojkan says:
    @Brabantian

    “70+ years of Serb dominance in what had been ‘Yugoslavia’. ” Undeniably, Serbs dominated Yugoslavia from 1918-1941 by sheer demography. Serbs didn’t dominate Yugoslavia since 1945. Croatian and Slovenian communists dominated Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1991. Even after Tito – who was Croat – died, Serbs who made up 40 to 45% of the population of Yugoslavia had only one voice of eight, the same as five times less numerous Slovenians and twice less numerous Croats. When Yugoslavia disintegrated, a third of all Serbs all of a sudden found themselves inside the borders of countries that never existed as foreigners on land they shed blood to liberate twice in a century.
    Alleged post-WWII Serb domination is one of the biggest lies of Western hysterical anti-Serb propaganda during the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia..

  162. FB says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    Splendid. Just what the region needs: more reasons to hate each other, this time playing the “whiter than thou” game while larping as vikings.

    What a fucking bonehead…instead of absorbing the valuable genetic data I have presented here to advance your primitive state of being, you rspond with rodent squeaking about Viking ‘larping’…

    Let me tell you something…if you had ever actually visited the region you would realize that South Slav males are among the most arrogant and with a distinct superiority complex…they could not give a shit about the Viking hoopla generated by Smellywood…which is only a fascination in the retarded US and its vassal states that consume the same ‘cultural’ crapola…

    The South Slav men are the tallest population in the world…according to many scientific studies…even though I stand at six-two myself I can’t help feeling like a midget when walking in Belgrade or Zagreb…or especially some of the smaller towns in Bosnia…

    The average man from Herzegovina is 183.4 centimetres tall, or just over 6 foot, finds the first detailed study of male height in Bosnia and Herzegovina since 1895…

    “The region of the Dinaric Alps has historically been renowned for the remarkable body size of its inhabitants,” the study authors write in the paper, led by Pavel Grasgruber of Masaryk University in the Czech Republic…

    “These results fill a long-term gap in the anthropological research of the Western Balkans and confirm older reports that the population of the Dinaric Alps is distinguished by extraordinary physical stature,” the authors write.

    Geneticists have linked physical stature to the haplogroup I-M170…

    …a particular genetic profile in men (called Y haplotype I-M170) is correlated with height. In the Netherlands, some 35% of all people have this gene, which is impressive, but in Herzegovina (the southern part of the country), 70% of men have the gene.

    I-M170 is one of the most numerous haplogroups among European males.[1] Subclades can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and South East European countries.

    Consequently, I-M170 represents up to one-fifth of the male population of Europe, being the continent’s second major Y-DNA haplogroup (behind Haplogroup R).

    The haplogroup reaches its maximum frequency in the Western Balkans (with the highest concentration in present-day Herzegovina).

    It may be associated with unusually tall males, since those in the Dinaric Alps have been reported to be the tallest in the world, with an average male height of the range 180 cm (5 ft 11 in)-182 cm (6 ft 0 in) in the cantons of Bosnia, 184 cm (6 ft 0 in) in Sarajevo, 182 cm (6 ft 0 in)-186 cm (6 ft 1 in) in the cantons of Herzegovina.

    Obviously your rodent like synaptic system is incapable of LEARNING…

    As you amply demonstrate with your diarrhea outbursts here…

  163. Vojkan says:
    @Malacaay

    Both archaeology and genetics beg to disagree with you.

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  164. FB says: • Website
    @Europe realist

    So clearly culture and historic rivalries/grievances trump genetics, at least in the case of the British Isles.

    The topic of discussion wasn’t about ‘grievances’…it was about the question of Albanians being a European people by genetic makeup…which they aren’t…

    J2 levels are higher in Greece than they are in Albania, so overall Greeks don’t appear to have much if any lower levels of non-European Haplogroups than Albanians do.

    That’s not actually the case at all…look at the genetic map again…

    Greeks do have substantial content of the African E1b1b1a1 [22 percent], as well as the West Asian J2 [17 percent] which gives a non-European makeup of about 39 percent…

    But they have about the same percentage of the Big Three European genes…the Albanians have 57 percent of the African and West Asian genes, and only a relatively small amount of the European genes…

    If you are going to argue…then don’t misrepresent facts that are in plain sight…

  165. Vojkan says:
    @Europe realist

    Why do Romanians speak a latin language? Why do the French, descendants of Franks, a Germanic tribe, speak a latin language? Why do Bulgarians speak a Slavic language? Genetics say Albanians, especially Kosovo Albanians are not Europeans. I trust genetics over self-justifying myths. Oh, and it isn’t true that Serbs are hated by all their neighbours, they’re only hated by those of their neighbours who indulge in mythomania because they lack a real history. Those of their neighbours with an actual history, namely the Hungarian, the Romanian, the Greek don’t hate Serbs. They all have friendly relations with Serbs, remarkably as far as Hungarians are concerned, regardless of past territorial disputes.

  166. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Imbecile, Russia was the agrarian backwater and the most indebted country in the world when Bolsheviks came to power. There was a trasfer of technology no doubt about it, the same as it was in today Chinese example only difference being that it has been done in incognito manner in the case of USSR. That is a fact. Now what Russkies have done during the Soviet time is another matter. They are no stupid people, although not inventive, original and genius one either. Russkies were ever like whores mimicking others in their endeavors. That is not a trait of a great culture much less so of a civilization, you clowinish imbecile.

    Why are you putting those cartoons there and making some personal threats, clown? I am probably twice your size imbecile. I could dominate you physically just like Africans can with your imbecilic whorish liberal white trash in Murica, you little rat. Who would you punch, you punk? You sould like a juvenile sclerotic senior who hasn’t taken his meds. Take your medications punk. No wonder Africans are beating you whorish liberal scum like they beat their bitches. All you know is to bark like those chihuahua dogs. O I hate dogs and whores. Find some Russky anal hole to crawl in, you punk. You seem to enjoy licking their anus and whatever comes out of it. Why do Russkies seek euro technology then when they are so advanced and who has been transferring them that technology since 2000, who has been building that filthy Russky land with intention to serve as a powerful power broker in Euroasian landmass, hmm, punk? You don’t know is that it you ignorant punk? It’s not that Russky despicable whorish kind. Such disgusting people those Russkies. Bolsheviks kept them in line and in order and they behaved honorably during that time, but ever since they were released and showed their inner selves that whorish and thuggish nature of theirs showed up. I have no love for your amero or russky kind. In fact I wouldn’t mind exterminating you all together. I see it as a cosmic justice finally brought to disgusting invasive kinds who genocided native people of the lands they invaded in order to take it over together with all the riches in contained. Still that scum years to steal from others. Tatar filth.

    • LOL: FB
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    , @Vojkan
  167. Malacaay says:
    @Vojkan

    What archaeology and genetics, Serbo? Some thousands of years old remains from the time you were living on your plains in central Asia or that Black Sea region, hmm? Those are not yours remains, you ignorant half-witted Sarmatian creature. Native genetics you partly contain comes from us natives to Haemus Mons peninsula, Illyrians and Thracians and no doubt Greek too. That is all native to Haemus Mons you have, Sarmatian.

  168. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    What a sputtering, impotent little gerbil…

    I am probably twice your size imbecile. I could dominate you physically…

    LOLOLOL

    Is that right, tiny hysterical one…?

    I cavalierly accept your Pee Wee Herman challenge…LOLOLOL

    Why don’t you contact me by way of my website if you would like to arrange a face to face meeting gerbil-boy…?

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  169. Vojkan says:

    Albanians. People among whom having a two-digit IQ is considered genius.

  170. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    You decrepit little rat. How old are you, 60? 65? I am 34, rat. I could break you into pieces even if you were of my age, but I am not going to travel thousands of km to beat some sclerotic old imbecile, you stupid rat like creature. A child could break your sclerotic bones, little rat. Take your medications. Go with double dosage as you have been exposed to unsettling emotional disturbance for your age no doubt.

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  171. Vojkan says:
    @Malacaay

    The great thing about you Albanians is that you truly are an unsophisticated breed. Serbs don’t have to convince the rest of the world of your rawness, all they have to do is let you speak for yourself.

    • LOL: FB
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  172. Wally says:
    @redmudhooch

    LOL

    Jews supplying ‘Nazis’ with armaments is further proof of the fraudulence of the laughable & impossible “holocaust”

  173. Wally says:
    @Max Parry

    You are truly “mixed up” about a lot of things.

    And I note that you continue to dodge my challenges.

  174. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    I could break you into pieces…but I am not going to travel thousands of km…

    You don’t have to Pee Wee…I’ll be glad to come to your location…homoland…

    The fucking mouse that roared…hilarious…

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  175. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    ….I think that Croatian nationalists initially supported Yugoslavia and then communism after WWI …

    They did not. They supported a certain version of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Slovenes,_Croats_and_Serbs
    Big difference.

    Personally I can’t see why Serbian and Croatian nationalists, even the ultra ultra types, can’t keep on hating each other but still cooperate in the future, as I would think they have a common enemy – the globalists who will eventually try to eradicate both their nations – as that is the project under way there now that Yugoslavia has been broken up.

    Them…….. cooperating!?
    Let’s put it this way: they know exactly who their only true and real enemy is.

    As you appear interested in Milosevic I’d suggest trying to figure out his wife and her role in all that. Just a thought.

  176. Malacaay says:
    @Vojkan

    Serbo Vojkan, are you sophisticated breed? ahahahahahaa You are just Sarmatian bipedals, an invasive specie without any culture whatsoever. Where is your Sarmatian culture, Serbo? You sophisticated? Ha. I’ve seen animals more sophisticated than Serbois. Serbo, you are nothing and noone. Just an invasive specie. Nomads from the Black Sea region.

  177. Malacaay says:

    O, and Serbo, not that I would ever expect this from your kind as it’s not one which is characterized by intelligence, I’ve revealed my ethnic origins on this thread or article a few times already. But I know your kind doesn’t notice something even if it has been said to it directly many a time. Then you know what happens, Serbo? You get beaten senseless and mercilessly massacred. That’s the only ways Serbo understand things… that is how you teach animals things… which Sarmatians clearly are.

  178. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Still playing with cartoon pictures, are you little rat. Juvenile senior.

  179. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    ….in the NZ case, it was an act of terrorism provoked by fear of being swamped by an unassimilable, recently arrived ethnic-cultural-religious group that should not had been allowed to settle there in the first place.

    Yes.
    Except, perhaps, that word “terrorism”. You know, terrorist/freedom fighter thing.

    Let’s wait…say….till 2047. Just 28 years.

    I mean, Mandela was a terrorist from 1962 to 1990. Just 28 years.

    Funny, a?

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  180. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Very good comment Mike…

    I agree with most of your well-reasoned thoughts…although I have a few minor quibbles…

    For instance Communism is certainly not an ideology of the past…case in point, China…unlike the Russians who threw the baby out with the bathwater, the wise Chinese kept refining the system…

    This is the approach that works in every serious human endeavor, especially science and engineering…Newton and Leibnitz formulated a fairly rudimentary form of calculus…but still a huge milestone that has provided the foundation stone for the entirety of our modern technological civilization…

    Later thinkers and innovators kept building on this base and that’s how progress is accomplished…

    As for the supposed hatred between Serbs and Croats, my own experience in my more recent travels there is that it’s mostly confined to a certain segment of haters within each respective population…

    In Croatia this minority is more vocal and hence visible…but there are a lot of mixed marriages across the former Yugo…Serbs travel to Croatia and Croats travel to Serbia…for most normal people on both sides there is no real animosity on a personal level…

    A few years ago, a Croatian blog ran an interesting piece about Zagreb girls going for weekend sex trips to Belgrade…an interesting read…

    Bottom line, the young people have more immediate and realistic views on things [including sexual urges]…but also on the practicalities of earning a living, raising a family etc…

    Hate provides poor sustenance in the real world…

  181. @peterAUS

    peterAUS

    They did not. They supported a certain version of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Slovenes,_Croats_and_Serbs
    Big difference.

    Of course you are correct, and that version lasted until 1929. It’s just that everyone refers to Yugoslavia having been created in 1918 at Versailles without going into the fine detail.

    Them…….. cooperating!?
    Let’s put it this way: they know exactly who their only true and real enemy is.

    Well yes. But I gather that during the Bosnian war there actually was some cooperation between these parties in the field. Wars out there can be quite confusing with people changing sides, allegiances. Stranger things can happen given time and circumstances.

    I think Milosevic’s wife was a big influence on him and meddling in state affairs but still some general features of his role are apparent regardless. The guy was a banker after all and for a long time maintained close links with international banking circles before coming to power. I would think that to UR readers trying to analyse a major event that would be of major significance. I should think his relationship with the international banking cartel in the lead up to the war would be more significant than that with his wife. And the state of the economy of Yugoslavia was a major factor in creating the conditions for its breakup. IMF, and the bankers were instrumental in that.

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  182. @peterAUS

    I don’t care for Mandela (and don’t know much about him), but he hadn’t personally gunned down any white.

    The problem with NZ & AUS is getting all those Chinese, Muslims, Indians, even Somalis… in. That’s suicidal.

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  183. @silviosilver

    So it’s quite possible that Croats, for all their hard won freedom, will continue to focus their anger on Serbs as their country fills up with non-whites. (And the same thing with Serbia and elsewhere as their economies develop to the point they’re attractive to immigrants.)

    That’s a dark scenario. We have some 500- 1000 of them, mostly settled; Serbia has got, I think, over 5000 of them.

    And, by the way, our police beat the crap out of them

  184. @peterAUS

    As you appear interested in Milosevic I’d suggest trying to figure out his wife and her role in all that.

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  185. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    …lasted until 1929…

    1921, actually. That is when it all, really, started.

    But I gather that during the Bosnian war there actually was some cooperation between these parties in the field.

    Yes, it was, temporarily, in Central Bosnia. Serbs and Croats (or Chetniks and Ustashe for fans) against Muslims. This element is, perhaps, interesting: Serbs, actually, helping Croats in that case. Of course, reaping benefits on the way, but, still.
    Now, naturally, soon after that Croats and Muslims, again, together, against Serbs.
    Make of that what you will.

    Stranger things can happen given time and circumstances.

    Yes. Especially in Balkans. Always bloody, naturally. Especially for cannon fodder, I mean, common people.

    As for Milosevic, well, to each his own. My take: a very competent player. Player, nothing more. No true beliefs, no vision. The other two guys in that game weren’t so good players, BUT, both had true beliefs and visions.
    Hehe…thinking about it, as we speak, see anyone similar making moves affecting our lives ? That “multi-dimensional chess” thing?

  186. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t care for Mandela (and don’t know much about him), but he hadn’t personally gunned down any white.

    C’mon….of all people here, you doing virtue-signaling?! Oh my.

    So…hehe…just for you: was Baresic a terrorist? Haha…how about Hrkac? He terrorist?! Or…hehe…yo don’t know much about them either?

    The problem with NZ & AUS is getting all those Chinese, Muslims, Indians, even Somalis… in. That’s suicidal.

    It is.
    Well, again, some of “us” here know all about that game. Who benefits, why, how..and who are the current and future losers should it continue.

    The thing is: what can “we” do about it?

    Haha…I mean, look at your people. What they did to get their independent state? Let me guess: “educate”, “inform”, “blog”, “vote”…..hahaha….

    I mean, the guy used semiauto rifle and shotgun. Your guys, I recollect, relied more upon howitzers and MLRS hardware. Well, small arms fire and hand grenades here and there too. Ahmici, for example.
    Ah, yes it was war, and self-defense.
    Of all people here……
    Just funny.

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  187. @Europe realist

    Very true. The IRA made the grave error of attacking the English commoner rather than the aristocracy that was oppressing them both, although to be fair, the murderous acts of some British soldiers were also done by commoners against Irish commoners with whom they actually had much in common.

    The Ulstermen are really Scotsmen and not are known for their willingness to compromise. They are tough, persistent and very hard-working people. Catholicism also kept many Irish poor and ignorant back then which also widened the gap. That the same thing is observed in the Balkans goes to show the power of Divide and Rule which is the future for the US and everywhere else. It is all so very sad as you have pointed out so well here.

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  188. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Things I do for love

    As, for those interested in the topic:

    Stambolić mysteriously disappeared on 25 August 2000, still during the rule of Slobodan Milošević. On 28 March 2003, the police revealed that he was murdered on Fruška Gora by eight Special Operations Unit officers.

  189. @peterAUS

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/304-father-his-country-franjo-tudjman-and-the-creation-contemporary-croatia

    Tudjman and Slobodan Milosevic have repeatedly been paired as Balkan dictators, but the two men were as different as bourgeois nationalism and bureaucratic socialism. When asked about Milosevic, Tudjman responded that the Serbian leader was an imperialist, and that he was defending Croatia from him. He could as easily have answered that he was a dissident intellectual fascinated by political power, while Milosevic was a technocrat who had made his career in the League of Communists and state-run businesses. The two men belonged to different generations (Tudjman was born in 1922, Milosevic in 1941) and, with the exception that both lost their parents in tragic circumstances, the events that shaped their beliefs and values were as different as those which shaped Martin Luther and John Calvin. Tudjman fought the German occupation and Ante Pavelic’s Independent State of Croatia (NDH); Milosevic grew up in Tito’s Yugoslavia under a communist regime that enforced brotherhood and unity. Tudjman believed in the power of communism, and then of nationalism, to transform Yugoslavia. Milosevic made a career in the Serbian communist party. Tudjman was an intellectual and a theorist, while Milosevic was a technocrat and a pragmatist. Tudjman wrote books and gathered honors while Milosevic made money and amassed power.

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  190. @peterAUS

    peterAUS,

    You’re generally better with the details but I got this from wikipedia:

    Later, the government renamed the country leading to the first official use of Yugoslavia in 1929.

    and

    On 6 January 1929 King Alexander I suspended the constitution, banned national political parties, assumed executive power and renamed the country Yugoslavia

    Maybe that’s what pissed off the Croats.

    Sure strange things. Like say the bio of Marko Mesic, a relative of Stipe Mesic the last president of SFRJ, and Stipe sure played a major role in the breakup of Yugoslavia. Marko Mesic was a colonel in the Royal Yugoslav army before WWII but after the German occupation he joined the Croatian Ustashi Legion and even commanded it on the Eastern Front. He and the other Croats were captured by the Soviets at Stalingrad, given different uniforms and recruited into the First Yugoslav Brigade then sent with the Red Army to liberate Serbia where they joined up with Tito’s Partisans and later became part of JNA. So a bunch of turncoat Ustashi helped to liberate Serbia from the Germans and then helped the partisans cleanse the Serbian chetniks, while in Croatia the chetniks and other ustashi were escaping to Austria while sporadically fighting each other or cooperating against the partisans chasing them as the case may be. That sort of thing happens in war.

    There was one NATO nation that was well disposed to the Serbs during the latest wars – Greece of course. Here’s an interesting article although the author has his own sensationalist angle and doesn’t represent the majority view there, as indicated by the critical comments, but you probably know most of this:

    https://medium.com/athenslivegr/the-greek-link-to-srebrenica-bf5f844e892

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  191. @peterAUS

    So…hehe…just for you: was Baresic a terrorist? Haha…how about Hrkac? He terrorist?! Or…hehe…yo don’t know much about them either?

    Sure they were terrorists, as was Stalin in his youth. Terrorism is sometimes a necessary step in the struggle for liberation. That said-I don’t know that Mandela personally killed anyone or that he, prior to his jail-time, ordered executions (I may be wrong, I’m not interested in the guy).

    The thing is: what can “we” do about it?

    Organize media discourse in your favor & from time to time, push the coloreds just to show them they’re aliens & not safe.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/23/opinions/gladys-liu-china-australia-opinion-intl-hnk/index.html

    Australia’s Gladys Liu scandal shows how the Chinese Communist Party is weaponizing race

    ……………………
    In May 2019, Gladys Liu from the Victorian seat of Chisholm became the first female Chinese-Australian elected to sit in the Australian Lower House of Parliament. That was a significant milestone and not before time given there are approximately 1.2 million citizens with Chinese ancestry in a nation of 25 million.
    ………………………………

    I mean, the guy used semiauto rifle and shotgun. Your guys, I recollect, relied more upon howitzers and MLRS hardware.

    When you mean business, you don’t waste your time on trifles.

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  192. @NoseytheDuke

    Nosey,

    At least the IRA got Lord Mountbatten the pedophile. Give them some credit. Oh, a couple of young boys got done as collateral – tough. And they nearly got Maggie Thatcher in the crapper in Brighton.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/lord-mountbatten-pedophile-allegations

    Oh yes, UDA and UDF were tough too.

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  193. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    …bourgeois nationalism and bureaucratic socialism….
    ….a dissident intellectual fascinated by political power, while Milosevic was a technocrat…
    …the events that shaped their beliefs and values were as different as those which shaped Martin Luther and John Calvin…
    …Tudjman was an intellectual and a theorist, while Milosevic was a technocrat and a pragmatist..

    Agree.

    One, consequently, could argue that, had Serbs had somebody like Tudjman, then and there, they could’ve fared much better from ’89 to today. Anyway.

    Much more importantly, though, for some of “us” here, if we had somebody as Tudjman and not Trump, well…….

    One can always hope, a?

  194. Max Parry says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Ulster loyalists might be the most self-loathing, pathetic people on earth.

  195. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Maybe that’s what pissed off the Croats

    Definitely, but what happened in 1921 started pissing them off. The new constitution…..That set the things into motion.

    I am sure that Bardon Kaldian could explain that much better than I can.

    There was one NATO nation that was well disposed to the Serbs during the latest wars – Greece of course.

    Yes.
    France, not NATO, but the same.

    Even certain circles in Great Britain. If….if…you are interested in some elements of that play try this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Mole
    You could, probably, find it interesting.

  196. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Terrorism is sometimes a necessary step in the struggle for liberation.

    Yep…………………………………………………….

    Australia’s Gladys Liu scandal shows how the Chinese Communist Party is weaponizing race…

    Everybody is……except Whites. At the moment.
    It will change.

    When you mean business, you don’t waste your time on trifles.

    Hehe….yep. Results speak for themselves.

    See, I have a deep respect for what Croats, and Slovenes, pulled off over there.

    I also believe that, until interested parties in the West, don’t, carefully, study “your” work, there won’t be any real progress in “our” cause.
    From the start of organizing to, well, full-fledged confrontation with the opponent.

    Just me….hehe….

  197. @Europe realist

    I suspect your information is long out of date. How do you inform yourself about the Irish (which Irish? Surely not Dubliners) attitude to the English? Apart from the charming Irish at home have you considered that nearly one in 10 live in England, mostly London, and, in relation to the 400,000 or so in Britain The Irish Times said;

    Britain has been the obvious destination of choice for the large majority of Irish emigrants for centuries, whatever their reasons for leaving.

    [Some went further]

    My first Australian ancestor even got free passage in 1797 courtesy of the English Crown…… and, though Catholic, he was able to marry in a Church of England chapel.

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  198. syd.bgd says:

    Well, well, well …

    Mr. Unz has just recently set rules for commentariat … and forgotten ’em so incredibly soon. I happen to understand that I have just 4 slots. That’ll be enough: “Procedure is mother of democracy”

    Let me say HI to Peter AUS. I’ve been thinking a bit … and got impression that you’re taking part in moonshining grapes along with some Serbs from Dalmatia (present day Croatia, coastal area). No offense: only a domestic liquor is a true liquor. And it is tons of fun, ain’t it? Have fun, we Balkanians know damn well how to enjoy life, and we are inclusive in that regard.

    Srebrenica: a man has spent tons of his time on that issue: http://srebrenica-project.org
    So go visit that collection. Friends of mine, who were called to be expert witnesses at Hague Inquisitia, tell me that he is very reliable. Comment on damn that

    Problem is Malacaay. Regardless of the rules set and published for all to obey he comments, and comments, and comments. No limits. There are some facts that this 34 young Roman Catholoic person presents, but there is a huge problem in facts he does not find relevant to expose.

    1. Ideology of Ante Starchevich, Croatian Pater Patriae (his mother was from Serbian Orthodox family), who – after he was rejected as non-competent to be accepted for law school professor in Belgrade, the only South Slav national law school at the time – switched to dehumanization of Serbs based on Hungarian view of Slavs in Balkans. His expression (slavjano-srpska paščad) is very hard to be translated, since it uses so-called “collective noun”, as leaves, as trees. That’s that so complicated Slav grammar purposefully used.
    2. Poor devil is still regarding himself as … Goth … even Adolf Hitler (in T.H. Rupert’s “Hitler Table Talk”) was deeply doubtful about Croatian brown nosing to Germans at the time. He projects his – none of his crap might have been possible without Starchevich deep in his spinal cord – antihihistorical intelectual load on (with silent approval by Ron Unz) just everyone.
    3. There exists something carved down in Yad Vashem stone, right between Mauthausen and Aushwitz: Jasenovac. Unfortunatelly, not Petrova rupa, or Pag. Jasnovac was and is, an example of Roman termination of non subjected Christians.

    So, Mr American Conservative founder? Ask Jews about Jasenovac. Let them delete that, make them. They are not programmed to forget, as we are not programmed to forgive.

    Think about it.

  199. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    That’s masonic “worker” from NGO “workshop” spreading liberal plague like what they are tasked to do, little rat libturd punk. You speak, i.e. have narrative, like a blighted libtard. Do you know that most zealous “nationalists” come from those mixed national background, hmm, little rat libturd punk? They don’t know where they belong to, and since they cannot belong to both words because they are in contradiction and conflict with each other, they pick one and become its very zealous supporters, advocates and adherent nationalists… so completely opposite of what foul masonic corrupters tried to make with their spread of mixing, brotherhoods and other foulnesses and degeneracies. In the end noone needs to look further away than the ruin and shambles left behind from masonic libturd interference, spread of corruption and contamination here. Social engineers these masons, hmm? They are engineers of degeneracy, ruin and collapse. Not a single civilization will survive their tainted touch of degeneracy. Murica went with that liburd masonic gospel when it was at its apex and it destroyed it in record time… no civilization fell down quicker than libturd Murica has in all of history. And that is while reserve currency and European patents still around. Your kind is the very last one who could offer

    O, and that few libturd NGO “workers” from Zagreb (many of whom are homos no doubt) are going to Belgrade to have sex with fish from Danube, donkeys or horses so they could have a story to spread their narrative, doesn’t concern us whatsoever. Don’t think animosity is not there because nobody is killing anyone. It is. Masons created infernos of animosity here. And don’t fantasize about some new Yugoslavias, little rat. That is over. The most laughable thing you can her from your kind are these fantasies and delusions of new Yugoslavia. “Is it forgotten yet?” – one can always hear from masonic communistic corners. No, it will never be forgotten. History exists. People remember. Slavias are over for good.

  200. @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard,

    So few Irish in the UK. Considering they’ve been emigrating to the UK for centuries that’s far less than Muslims in a few decades (wikipedia):

    results from the United Kingdom 2011 Census giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,516,000, 4.4% of the total population

    Those English will yet learn to love the Irish. And vice versa. But there could be more of the Irish than those numbers you quote (again wikipedia):

    It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have at least one Irish grandparent (around 10% of the UK population)

  201. Malacaay says:
    @syd.bgd

    I don’t care for Ante Starcevic. But he didn’t consdier himself to be some kind of mythic “Goth,” he was a zealous Croat. Very nationalistic. He did like to insult Serbois and had many insults for your kind no doubt, and that’s all you can say about Starcevic. You have confused NDH schoolbooks of some year which put that claim that Croats are actually some forgotten tribe of Goths, but Germans themselves intervened and righted that wrong I beleive. Austrians are Goths, certainly not us. It’s probably some cheap masonic propaganda in order to strengthen that “southern slav” fantasy. I’ve never seen any proof of any communist claim.

    Orthodox people are not Serbois. There are many Orthodoxs who are not Serbo people, but our subjects of interests are Montenegrins and Macedonians out of whom your kind is feverishly trying to make Serbs, because they were part of Serbo Orthodox Church so you claim they are Serbois because of it. They are no serbs. Many Croatos have become Serbs also. Banja Luka used to be capital of Croats. Those people were all Orthodox-zied and turned into Serbs. Croats have no problem with that. Croats are not trying to colonize Serbois, it is Serbois who have been attempting that, hence the “birth” of Starcevic, Pavelic et al. And then it’s war Serbo.

  202. Malacaay says:

    I should add that those led by Milorad Dodik, a Croat whose ancestors were baptized into Orthodoxy and turned into Serbs, have done so by their own will, and that is a very different thing than the current situation with that one of 3 constitutional nations – the Bosnians, claiming other 2 nations in that international protectorate do not exist, that they are actually “Bosnians of Orthodox and Catholic faith,” and those who think they are Croats or Serbois I believe they say should leave for Croatia or Serbia, and that protectorate is theirs is what they claim I beleive. It’s probably one of few major reasons why other 2 nations don’t want to live with them, why they want to be free. They were led into that protectorate against their will and they are still held there against their will of course, but these things only add to their will to leave and free themselves of Bosnian occupation. So these things should be differentiated. Those Croats whom Milorad Dodik is leading changed their nation and became Serbs have done so with their own consent and will, while others will resist colonization and that’s when violence and other things pop up.

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  203. @FB

    Thanks FB,

    For instance Communism is certainly not an ideology of the past…case in point, China…

    I wouldn’t go into that as there is a problem with definition of concepts when it comes to sites like this where the left and right meet to debate, and I’ve made comments about this before. Most of the alt-right see present day USA and the West as being communist while others, like say Miles Mathis, see them as being fascist. Some see PR China and North Korea as fascists regardless of paying lip service to communism. Some even see North Korea as being run by feudalistic hereditary dynasty. I have to say I also see communists as fascists waving red flags – up to a point.

    People ascribe many of the advances of certain countries, even Yugoslavia, to communism but I’m not so sure that they wouldn’t have developed into modern industrial societies even under different systems given that change was bound to happen anyway. The monarchies would have reformed just to keep up with the times, and a lot of bloodshed could have been avoided. Spain and Portugal went through a prolonged fascist phase after WWII and don’t seem to be any worse off or less developed than those East European countries that took the communist route.

  204. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    Listen up Chickenshit…

    I’m not interested in hearing any Chicken Scratchings from the likes of your cowering Albanian ass…

    You know the drill…my website contact awaits…I don’t fly into Albania very often…but can arrange to be there in two weeks…

    Otherwise fuck off…

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  205. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    I am no Albanian, you little rat-like imbecile. The fact that you still haven’t managed to figure that out speaks volumes about your chronic lack of intelligence (and yet you consider yourself smart, hmm?). Ask administrator to reveal you my IP address, little rat. Visit Croatia and I will meet with you. I will warn you though: the fact that you are old sclerotic imbecile won’t stop me from hurting you badly, from draining life out of your old and broken little body. Don’t expect any mercy, rat. I give none.

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  206. peterAUS says:
    @Malacaay

    Can’t help myself, apologies around. Even fast skimming was….interesting.

    Hey….”Malacay”…..may I ask you the question?

    “Where were you in 1991″?
    Say….from June to December.

    Please.

    Oh, BTW, assuming the answer, well, have you done any military service? Paramilitary police?
    You get points for being an ex-MP with a tour in Afghanistan.

    Ah, yes, what’s your take on the Christchurch shooting? Hehe…you could get some points for that too.

    Ups, sorry, one more:
    What’s better: having Serbs, or “migrants”, living in the Knin region? Permanently…..

    What say you?

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  207. Malacaay says:

    Whenever you come I’ll meet you, piloting little rat. Mail me here: [email protected] and I’ll come. We’ll see if those notions can be taken out of your skull. If they won’t come out, I’ll break your skull into pieces. Then we’ll see where that yugoslavia is.

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    , @FB
  208. Max Parry says:
    @Malacaay

    Gentlemen, cool your jets! I did not intend to reignite the regional conflict lol….

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  209. peterAUS says:
    @syd.bgd

    ..got impression that you’re taking part in moonshining grapes along with some Serbs from Dalmatia (present day Croatia, coastal area).

    Both Serbs and Croats. Not necessarily in that order. And not from Dalmatia only.
    BTW, didn’t the guys from “Radusa” come from here?! And, to “balance”, “Capt. Dragan’ of 4th/19th Prince of Wales’s Light Horse.

    No offense: only a domestic liquor is a true liquor. And it is tons of fun, ain’t it? Have fun, we Balkanians know damn well how to enjoy life, and we are inclusive in that regard.

    Well, FYI, people do travel a lot today and do bring “the liquids” from home. Agree….”domestic” is the king. Tried a bottle recently and, my God, was it good. Dare to say was better than JD.

    Srebrenica: a man has spent tons of his time on that issue: http://srebrenica-project.org
    So go visit that collection. Friends of mine, who were called to be expert witnesses at Hague Inquisitia, tell me that he is very reliable. Comment on damn that

    I’ll take a look.
    “Expert witnesses” as friends, you say? Nice. So, a question if I may. The one that has been “nicking” me for some time.
    WHO ordered the executions? Hehe…what do your friends say?
    Who was the top man?
    I just don’t think Beara was the guy. SOMEBODY must’ve been above him, with implicit/explicit support. So, what’s the speculation: who was that? Dimitrijevic? Perisic?
    Or another line: Simatovic? His boss? The boss of his boss? The wife of the boss of the boss?!
    Or somebody else?
    What’s the assumption/speculation?

  210. Malacaay says:
    @peterAUS

    What I say is no concern of yours, Australian. Worry about that Australo land you have taken from their native inhabitants while genociding them in the process. I was a child in 1991 attending 1st year of elementary school. I don’t have any combat military experience, but I don’t need one either. These things come naturally to me. Having migrants in Australia is a great place to start. Let me ask you, would you like hawthorn or silverthorn spike to pierce you with? What kind of a simpleton are you? We have our own, as well as friendly, similar and related people like Germans for example who need help with living space, to populate our land in Knin or any other part of Croatian land. Haemus Mons is our ancestral land. Not Turkish. Not Sarmatian and not Slavic. It will be we who decide who is welcomed and who is not. I won’t even adress Arabs and Africans. Or Turks. These kinds belong to other worlds than ours. Turks are holding occupied something which does not belong to them, and that is a major centuries old wrong which still hasn’t been resolved. We have had enough of all invasive hostile, foreign, enemy species. This is not hard to understand. As for Serbs, they can come as guests and leave afterwards. That is kind of relation we can have with them.

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  211. peterAUS says:
    @syd.bgd

    Srebrenica: a man has spent tons of his time on that issue: http://srebrenica-project.org
    So go visit that collection. Friends of mine, who were called to be expert witnesses at Hague Inquisitia, tell me that he is very reliable. Comment on damn that

    Quick look and comment:

    What follows is a quick overview of Srebrenica facts before I return to Jasenovac. The Srebrenica narrative is fraught with glaring anomalies which have gone largely unaddressed and unexamined critically.
    1. On July 11, 1995, Srebrenica passed under the control of the Army of the Serb Republic. The Dutch battalion was also there, but it did nothing, acting mainly in an observer capacity.

    Not quite.
    The DUCHBAT did what it could, based on weapons available, ROEs, support (or lack of it) and, the most important, convulted (understatement) chain of command. As I said before: calling CAS was almost impossible.

    2. After gaining control of Srebrenica, the Serbian Army evacuated to Muslim-held territory about 20,000 Muslims from Srebrenica – women, children, and elderly – who had gathered at the UN base in Potočari. The International Red Cross was present.

    Yes.

    4. Simultaneously, men of military age, soldiers of the 28th Division of the Bosnian Muslim army, numbering between 12,000 and 15,000, well-armed and in a combative mood literally until the day before, suddenly and inexplicably lost their will to fight.

    No. there wasn’t any “28th Division”. There was an unorganized mass of desperate men, poorly armed even for Balkans militia standards. They didn’t have even any company level heavy weaponry, lacked basic communications and had minimal ammunition. The heaviest weapon they had were medium machineguns. They were lead by a Major, Oric deputy/Chief of Staff.

    6. Instead of putting up an active defense in a situation where they had a 3 to 1 numerical advantage over the Serb attackers and where the rugged configuration of the landscape clearly favored them, they conducted a risky breakout manoeuvre out of Srebrenica enclave toward Tuzla, on the other side of the front-line.

    Yes.

    8. The 60-kilometre-long corridor they had to traverse through Serb territory had been prior to that heavily mined and the retreating column also encountered numerous ambushes set up by the Serbian army. The 28th Division suffered its most massive casualties as a result of combat with the Zvornik Brigade of the Bosnian Serb Army, leaving between 4,000 and 5,000 dead.

    Yes. Maybe not so many dead.

    10. However, the 28th Division column was a legitimate military target, as admitted by the Prosecution of the Hague Tribunal, and therefore no one was ever charged or convicted by the Tribunal for causing it casualties. In the end, part of the retreating column were killed in combat, part reached Muslim lines in Tuzla, and part surrendered.

    Yes.

    12. It is important to point out that the remains of the majority of the putative “genocide victims” were found in the proximity of sites where there had been clashes between the Muslim column and the Serbian forces.

    Yes.

    Now, here we go, really:

    14. Of those who were taken prisoner, some were transferred to prisoner of war camps and some, apparently the majority unfortunately, were executed.

    Yes. Majority. Between 1500 and 2500.

    16. A prominent role in the executions was played by the mysterious 10th Sabotage Detachment, an oddly multinational unit within the Bosnian Serb Army in the midst of an ethnic conflict, set up in 1994 for no apparent purpose and with no fixed position within the Serbian Army’s order of battle. The Detachment’s only significant operation turned out to be precisely the execution of Srebrenica prisoners in July of 1995. The famous “star witness” Dražen Erdemović, a condottiere of Croat ethnicity who fought in all three armies during the Bosnian conflict, and who ultimately became the Hague Tribunal’s sole witness to the executions after making a convenient plea bargain with the prosecution, was a member of that unit. What makes Erdemović exceptional is that he is simultaneously the Tribunal’s only witness and also an avowed perpetrator of genocide. He is also the beneficiary of an extraordinarily mild 3-year prison term for such a grave crime.

    NO.
    The “detachment” was a miniscule part of the execution operation. Miniscule. They were just shooters.
    The organizer, on the ground, was Captain (Navy) Ljubisa Beara, Chief of Military Security of Serbian armed forces in Bosnia. A senior member of Mladic staff. A person who could get his orders from two places only: Mladic and the Chief of Yugoslav Military Security apparatus, General Dimitrijevic.
    The killings were well organized and executed. A lot of other, local, units, were involved in it. Rounding out prisoners, transporting them to the killing fields, “delivering” them in manageable batches to shooters, taking away corpses, digging mass graves and burring corpses etc.

    All that is well known to people who spent some time on the topic.
    As I stated a couple of times in this pub: the only unknown is, really, who was the top man in the execution operation.
    It is possible that it was Beara himself. Possible. How much is open to debate. Say, he did come up with the idea himself and he did have power on the ground to execute it (pun intended).
    Stil…..a lot of people above him must’ve known what’s going on. Did they say…try to do anything?

    That’s the only, IMHO, important and unresolved, mystery of Srebrenica.
    Hehe..in my book anyway.

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  212. peterAUS says:
    @Malacaay

    …I was a child in 1991 attending 1st year of elementary school. I don’t have any combat military experience…

    I know.

    We have had enough of all invasive hostile, foreign, enemy species.

    So…what would you like to do about it?
    Any vision? Any plan? Any idea……whatsoever?

    Oh, BTW, again: what’s your take on the Christchurch shooting?

    Or, how about closer to home, so to speak: what’s your take on the Dretelj camp? You do know what I am talking about I guess. You were only 8 at the time, true, but the Internet is your friend.
    And people you apparently mix with. The older generation, that is.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  213. Malacaay says:
    @syd.bgd

    I didn’t read that part of your comment before. There are no Serbs from Dalmatia. We got rid of you in 1995 and you were never in coastal area but inland. Only coastal Illyrian Dalmatian land you managed to claim via Serbo Orthodox Church was Dioclea or Montenegro as you know it now. Montenegrins are Dalmatians, Illyrians. You Sarmatians have nothing “yours” on any part of Thracian or Illyrian land. Those of our people you collonized are welcomed to return to their roots and home, we will welcome them with open arms. Sarmatian Serbois must be disbanded as a gang it is. Just start moving again, you are nomads.

  214. @peterAUS

    peterAUS,

    Of course some Serb superior had to give the order but have you come across claims that Izetbegovic knew about this massacre in advance and that Clinton apparently demanded it? Or basically that even two years earlier Izetbegovic stated that there should be a major massacre in Srebrenica in order to provoke NATO intervention. And then later it happened. So could there have been some influence (or collusion) of others behind the scenes on those Serb commanders?

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  215. @Malacaay

    Spare me your bullshit, larper

  216. Max Parry says:
    @Commentator Mike

    if you read the article, this is exactly what the Srebrenica ex-mayor claimed as shown in the Wikileaks cable

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  217. peterAUS says:

    Well….fair comment/questions. I’ll try.

    One Rule to rule them all (when Balkans is concerned): it’s COMPLICATED.

    Layers and layers; smoke and mirrors; unspoken (mis)understandings. Stuff like that.
    Re events like this: official and non-official lines of Command and Control. (Un)spoken winks while writing down and transmitting orders. Confusing? Yes, as it’s supposed to be, by design.

    On practical level: a Brigade commanmder in his area of responsibility (say….40/20 kms) has no idea about, and more importantly, no power, over certain outfits. Some of his own Brigade units will listen to order from somebody else, even civilian, totally contrary to the Commander standing order.
    Confusing. Yes, per design.

    Hehe..call it East European approach to “plausible deniability”.

    Now, that’s for, in this play, for Serbs and Muslims.

    Even worse for the Internationals there. Yes..worse…..

    A chain of command from military commander international forces there. Over-ruled, most of the time, by the civilian powers in UN.
    And the last, but definitely not the least, both from above simply ignored by the regime in Washington.

    Still want to resolve the riddle of Srebrenica? That’s the spirit. Because I share the sentiment, here I go:

    Of course some Serb superior had to give the order….

    Yes and no. Commander I mean. Chain of command. General Dimitrijevic wasn’t in the chain of command. Milosevic, or any of his minions too. Hehe…you think that a local Brigade, even Corps commander would refuse the orders from them? I don’t. Write them down if ordered not to? Hehe…nope.

    …have you come across claims that Izetbegovic knew about this massacre in advance and that Clinton apparently demanded it?Or basically that even two years earlier Izetbegovic stated that there should be a major massacre in Srebrenica in order to provoke NATO intervention. And then later it happened.

    Yes, I have. Plausible. Likely.
    Question for you: how? How did he know that the massacre would take place? The collapse of the perimeter defense and general retreat didn’t need to be a massacre. As it wasn’t. It was, in the “trade” the hardest of military operations (breakthrough), by much weaker force, over hard terrain.

    So could there have been some influence (or collusion) of others behind the scenes on those Serb commanders?

    Of course. Plenty, on all sides.
    Still, the Serbs did the killings. Other made it easy, or easier, but, still.

    It all goes back, in my book, to Mr. Beara and those mass executions.
    Carefully prepared and methodically executed (pun intended) mass killings of POWs. Even some within Serb community say it’s around 2500. Why? Why kill all those men?
    In Balkans wars a POW was a valuable commodity. Always useful for trade. For your own POWs, or just for money, ammo, fuel…or simply points with the international community.
    Why is the question? And then who, really. Not triggermen, not even the top men on the ground there.
    Now, he died in prison keeping mum about all it. Makes you think, perhaps.

    But, the trail is somewhere. Somebody knows. So…hehe….that’s why we are blabbing in this thread.. Well, some of us, that is.

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  218. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    For that tiny…tiny….minority in this pub willing to spend some effort on the “case”. Hehe…maybe some of you have some insight. 0, 00001 % chance, but, still.

    Two elements to, perhaps, take into consideration.

    The “Srebrenica thing” was a sideshow, for Serbs, at the time. They had PLENTY of serious problems at the time in Bosnia, and Croatia. As soon as the town was taken the bulk of their forces engaged there simply moved on to somewhere else. Mladic included.
    That was the moment when Capt Beara and “the detachment” stepped in. Beara took control of local units he needed and ….bang. I mean, multiple “bangs”. All day…for days…one “batch” of POWs after another.

    The war in Bosnia was coming to end. The Serb “team” had huge differences within. Both between Serbs in Yugoslavia (clan Milosevic) and Bosnia (clan Karadzic) and, perhaps even more important, between “clans” within Serb team in Bosnia. Complicated? Of course.
    Practical: Beara belonged to one team within Serb thing in Bosnia. There were other “teams” connected to Milosevic and those teams in Serbia not witih Milosevic.
    Complicated, yes. Think “Game of Thrones” Serb way.

    Perhaps….the killings in Srebrenica were deemed useful for the team Beara belonged to. Not useful or outright harmful for other Serb teams both in Bosnia and Serbia.

    Hehe….there is a certain motto on Serb coat of arms.

    Anyway. Just a thought.

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  219. in reference to “the 14 words” from Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

    Stopped reading right there. Getting something this basic wrong is a huge red flag.

  220. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    What a fucking blubbering tree monkey…everything you’ve said here could be crapped out by a fucking Tirana pigeon…

    Croats have more Slavic genes than Serbs…look at the gene map of Europe…

    Croats also have less of the western European R1b than Serbs…

    As for Sarmatians…they were the descendants of the original Aryan people…who 5,000 years ago domesticated the horse, invented the wheel and thus were able to conquer far and wide…spreading Aryan genes and the Indo-European language…

    Read The Horse, The wheel and Language… by Prof David Anthony…

    What a fucking barefoot Shiptar…you and your Illyrian bullshit…your kind came from Africa and Asia as your genes prove…no wonder you hate the Yugoslavs…

    Croatian…?…LOLOLOL

    Read the Kurgan Hyothesis which details how the Aryans and Indo-European language originated in that very Sarmatia you dribble about you African-Albanian donkey…

    Or try this peer reviewed paper by geneticist Anatole Klyosov…

    Haplogroup R1a as the Proto Indo-Europeans and the Legendary Aryans as Witnessed by the DNA of Their Current Descendants

    This study focuses on the origin of Indo-Europeans and the Aryans who entered India (the Hindustan), Iran (Iranian plateau), and Anatolia (Mesopotamia) approximately 3500 years ago.

    The research findings…demystify the origin of the Aryans. For nearly two centuries, the “Aryan problem” (essentially—Who were the Aryans? Where did they come from? Where did they disappear?

    Were they a particular human race, different from others?) has posed many challenges, often controversial and conflicted, for researchers, archeologists and linguists; however, this study opens new ground for our consideration and is based on the data provided by DNA ge- nealogical test results.

    Be careful of the Turks as you beg for scraps on the streets of Tirana you little Shiptar urchin…little barefoot street imps like you have a habit of being swallowed by the dark…and ending up as a palace Eunuch in Arabia, where the faggot with tons of money will insist on shitting in your mouth…

    PS: thanks for the anonymous email…LOL…that’s actually pretty brave for an Albanian street beggar…

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  221. @peterAUS

    peterAUS,

    there is a certain motto on Serb coat of arms.

    Something about unity? I guess unity could save many. Good slogan but it’s just an illusion. Searching for a destiny … in all this confusion … and all that … and

  222. @Max Parry

    Oh, OK. I got that from a different source. Hakija Meholjic was apparently the chief of the Srebrenica police and member of the war presidium of the municipality, not the town mayor as I stated.

    re: Remove Kebab song. Brabantian in #1 mentions that the accordion player Novislav Djajic is not the same Novislav Djajic who was convicted in Germany for complicity in war crimes in Bosnia and sentenced to five years in jail. There is some indication that Nikola Jorgic was also involved in the production of the video as the cameraman, and he was sentenced to four life sentences in a German court for genocide in Bosnia, but I’m not sure about that. Anyway, there’s some info on the song here:

    New Information About Serbia Strong (Remove Kebab) Video Origin from serbia

  223. anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    The Muslim “soldiers” holed up there under Oric murdered over a thousand Serb civilians in raids which served no purpose other than to kill unarmed people. A situation like that can’t be tolerated by anyone so something was going to be done. If it were the US then it would just obliterate the whole area with bombs from the air. All the dead would just be collateral damage or combatants killed in a supposed surgical strike. No one would look any further and there would just be a news blackout regarding any untidy details. Indeed, how many people has the US killed around the world since 1945? People in a country that has killed, injured and displaced millions of people everywhere get on a high horse and give sermons on morality to others.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  224. If Albanians are not native to Europe then how do you explain the Albanian speaking population of Southern Italy that dates back to around the Ottoman invasion of the Balkans?

    Italy was obviously never part of the Ottoman Empire so why would there have been Albanians there for centuries if according to the Serbs, etc, Albanians are Muslim Asiatic invaders brought to Europe by the Turks?

  225. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Imbecilic rat, these are ancient Illyrian tribes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_tribes_in_Illyria

    As anyone can see, there are no any Albanians there. There were never any Albanians before the arrival of the Turks. How could they be “Illyrians” if they came on Illyrian land as an invasive specie the same way as the Serbois have, hmm, you imbecilic trash? Such idiocy. You are a laughing stock for 6yo children. 6yo children would understand imbecility of your view, rat.

    This is Roman province Dalmatia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatia_(Roman_province)

    Do you know who Dalmatae were, imbecile? Yes, Illyrians you imbecile. You are blathering about some models (those models of haplogroups are much bigger fiction and propaganda than that Darwin model and we all know what a huge pile of fictional speculation that model is: that is we intelligent folk do, you imbecilic trash couldn’t possibly; as everyone can see you cannot even comprehend such logical contradiction of your story I have been pointing out all this time and in this post have repeated it again). Serbois are Sarmatian invader filth. Aryans they can be all, it makes no difference to me. Sarmatian Aryans are certainly not someone I, or my kind, would ever tolerate to colonize us. Comprendo, imbecile? I sense I need to break your skull or at least some bones before you could ever “get” something. That is how animals learn. I am most apt in controlling animals. But I see again that you are like a fishwife that is always quarreling and bickeringin those gossiping manners. That’s why I called you a little rat. Cowardly creature through and trough. I see you little rat.

    I told you who I am and where I am from, did I not, rat? Unlike your kind and yourself, I do not lie. Slavs are minority in our country, little rat. Here to demonstrate in political theater, not for you, I don’t bother with imbeciles, but for those reading our posts:

    A. Plenkovic:

    Z. Milanovic:

    D. Bernardic:
    http://www.sdp.hr/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/davor.j

    See those 2 we mentioned earlier, Starcevic and Pavelic, also. We are Illyrians. These phenotypes are ours.

    This is a Slav (and he is from Slavonia naturally):
    https://www.jutarnji.hr/incoming/hss_hodocasce-180916jpg
    http://www.5portal.hr/portal/5portal_images/15409667901

    Croats are no Slavs, because we are designated as Croats, and we are no Slavs in any way shape or form, behaviorally or physically. Those models are just propaganda crap, little rat. Libtard rats chew that crap with gusto.

  226. Malacaay says:
    @peterAUS

    My plan is to finally liberate our sacred places: Constantinople, Thracia, Troy and Bythinia, all the way to Syria and Armenia Minor. Also to rid off our Haemus Mons homeland from foul Muslimo infection and forge a real imperium with its imperial lands. All our lands have their culture, its people, etc. but to have imperium, there must be a capital with its imperial lands who can take our people from all over imperium. That way we preserve our distinct culture and other distinctiveness. Imperial lands must be made to be the strongest in the imperium of course. There must be a language selected to serve as a common one which everyone will know alongside their native ones. Bureaucratic monstrosities and ideological idiocies cannot ever possibly work… in the long run. Only real imperiums can. Constantinople must be freed and take its place as our capital. There are other sacred places of ours also occupied there. Troy. Ilium. Thracia, our long suffering Haemus Mons land! It is imperative that Thracia, Constantinople, Troy, Bythinia, Pontus, Galatia, Paphlagonia, Mysia, Lydia, Caria, Lycia, Cilicia, Cappadocia and Lycaonia are freed and liberated from Turkish Asian occupation at long last! For centuries nomadic filth from Asiatic steppes have been polluting our sacred places. Destroying them. “Vengeance is ours!”, said the gods in unison.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @peterAUS
  227. @Malacaay

    This is some high quality larping. I’m particularly impressed by how seriously you manage to take yourself.

    • LOL: FB
  228. FB says: • Website

    Hoo Haw…the Afro-Albanian tree monkey squirts out more pigeon droppings…

    Albanians here on UNZ often pretend to be Croats…you can tell always by their fixation on Illyria…and their hatred of Slavs…

    Really the so-called ‘rebuttal’ you have crapped out here is so infantile and devoid of actual scientific facts, that it is clear you are severely retarded…I would place your IQ at about 70 tops…

    I’m sure everyone here sees your silly attempt to dispute actual genetic science as hopelessly moronic…

    Let’s start with your link to the tribes of Illyria…where are the Croats mentioned in there…?

    But the Albanians actually are…

    Albani or Albanoi (Greek: Ἀλβανοί) were an Illyrian tribe whose first historical account appears in a work of Ptolemy.[5] They were the citizens of Albanopolis (Ἀλβανόπολις), located in the center of modern Albania, in the Zgërdhesh hill fort, near the city of Krujë. The national ethnonym of the Albanians is derived from this tribe.

    Nothing of the sort for Croats…so what is the point of this silly article on so-called Illyrians…other than to prove that you are in fact an Afro-Shiptar…trying to pass yourself of as a Croat…?

    Nice try…no sale…

    As for the Slavic gene, haplogroup R1A…its distribution is seen clearly here…

    R1A distribution in Europe is summarized here…

    In Europe, the R1a1 sub-clade is found at highest levels among peoples of Central and Eastern European descent, with results ranging from 35-65% among Czechs, Hungarians, Poles, Slovaks, western Ukrainians (particularly Rusyns), Belarusians, Moldovans, and Russians.

    In the Baltics, R1a1a frequencies decrease from Lithuania (45%) to Estonia (around 30%).

    There is a significant presence in peoples of Scandinavian descent, with highest levels in Norway and Iceland, where between 20 and 30% of men are in R1a1a.

    Vikings and Normans may have also carried the R1a1a lineage westward; accounting for at least part of the small presence in the British Isles.

    In East Germany, where Haplogroup R1a1a reaches a peak frequency in Rostock at a percentage of 31.3%, it averages between 20 and 30%.

    The Balkans shows lower frequencies, and significant variation between areas, for example more than 30% in Slovenia, Croatia and Greek Macedonia, but less than 10% in Albania, Kosovo and parts of Greece.

    So there you have it Shiptar Donkey…

    I have already mentioned previously in this thread, that the so-called ‘South Slavs’ are actually not very Slavic…they are dominated by the I haplogroup, as are the Scandinavians…

    I had said previously…

    Scandinavia AND Balkans are both dominated by the I haplogroup…I2a in the Balkans and I1 in Scandinavia…

    It’s clear that both of these populations have less to do with either the Slavic or western European genetic lineage than they do with each other…

    This is the genetic information on the distribution of the I haplogroup, also called I-M170…

    I-M170 is one of the most numerous haplogroups among European males.[1] Subclades can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and South East European countries.

    I-M170 represents one fifth of the population of Europe and is the second major European haplogroup, behind R…

    The haplogroup reaches its maximum frequency in the Western Balkans (with the highest concentration in present-day Herzegovina). It may be associated with unusually tall males, since those in the Dinaric Alps have been reported to be the tallest in the world…

    So your fantasies about Illyrians and Dalmatians is supported by ZILCH…Afro-Shiptar Donkey…

    That is just pigeon droppings that Albanians like to fantasize about…no Croat would deny his own genetic lineage of which he should be proud…

    Look again at the genetic map of Europe…the Albanians have 35 percent of the AFRICAN E1a1a1b1 haplogroup…and another 25 percent of the West Asian [ie Middle Eastern] J2…making them 57 percent non-European…

    You’ve got a lot to learn…but soon you will have bigger problems anyway…

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  229. Malacaay says:

    O course that wikimap is a lie. Whenever you see our Liburnians (who are the heart of Dalmatae, the heart of Dalmatia) and Histrians designated as “Veneti tribes” you know it’s a big fat lie. Italianos have nothing “theirs” on eastern shores of Mare Adriaticum. Eastern coast of Mare Adriaticum has always been the land of Illyrians. Even in Roman Imprium we had the same status as Italianos: Dalmatia was of the same status as Italia. That’s for all to know. As for Albania, I see someone put some Albanai there. Albanian language has no connection what so ever with Illyrian or Thracian. It does look alike Georgian.

  230. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    I am not reading your your crap, rat trash. Anyone who thinks that even Albanians you see them today are African is mental case. You are a dumb piece of shit, piloting rat. Anglo propagandists tried to make connection between Africans and Greeks in order to prove their Darwinian claims that life originated in African because Africa has the by far the biggest amount of ape species, but the lies failed spectacularly. It’s not surprising since those studies have to correspond with reality and it’s very hard to fabricate reality. Impossible in fact. But styudies can be bought. Not to mention their casual contradictions regularly. These morons don’t even get what contradictions mean. “Scientists.” Just lowly propagandists. Like political scientists. Or economical scientists. Or psycho-analitical scientists. Or sociological scientists. There are many more such humanity-“scientists.”

    http://greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/greeks-sub-saharan.html

    I think breaking your skull would be doing the world a service: ridding the world of imbeciles are always admirabnle. Maybe I should be rewarded for it. But you are not going to fly here, will you, little rat? You are just some cowardly concentration of pus, bickering like an imbecile while repeating propaganda like libtard gospel.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Cyrano
  231. peterAUS says:
    @Malacaay

    You know……although I do wholeheartedly agree with the first sentence of the comment 229, this

    ….to rid off our Haemus Mons homeland from foul Muslimo infection..

    and

    …..Constantinople must be freed and take its place as our capital……

    proves that even a…peculiar….mind/personality can come up with something.

    Still…hehe….that project/vision of yours would demand a lot of spent casings.
    Interesting line of thought, then, coming for somebody who seems rather squeamish about even commenting on the Christchurch thing.

    It’s O.K.
    For your types, that is.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  232. Malacaay says:

    Just another remark regarding Albanians to demonstrate how stupid this rat-like flying imbecile is. Anyone who has seen Albanians knows that they are small people. 1.6m. Over 90% of Albanians are small 1.6m tall people. And there is no “in between” with them also, from what I heard: Either they are very tall or very short. That is very telling and indicative of invasive specie. Short people breed like rabbits. So imbecility of that flying rat is astounding, for if Albanians were Africans from eastern Africa, they would resemble Africans in appearance too. There are people there in east Africa still living and we can compare them easily. But anyone with a single neuron in their head and good eye-sight can imbecility of such claim. They resemble Georgians. Behaviorally too they are like Georgians, very quick, energetic, small people. I am not anti-Albanian though. If they abandon Muslimism and adopt our civilizational characteristics, then it’s fine and they can join us. But Muslimo Turkish cultural traits do not belong here and cannot stand either. Let them go to Caucasus region where Muslimos live then. Anyhow, someone brought them from Caucasus region. Could be wither the Greeks or Turks. It might be that Greeks saw them as their natural allies like they did Armenians and Georgians, or Turks used them as their vanguard. It doesn’t change the fact that they are from the Caucasus region, not from Africa like this rat imbecile is spiting out like some remembered slogans from received indoctrination.

  233. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    Anyone who thinks that even Albanians you see them today are African is mental case.

    I rest my case…the Afro-Shiptar donkey finally shows his true Afro-Shiptar colors…

    But you are not going to fly here, will you, little rat?

    Of course I will…you know the drill…fill out the contact form on my website…[but of course you’re too chicken to take that step…]

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  234. Malacaay says:
    @peterAUS

    Then we shall send Muslimos to Australia and problem solved. Why should we suffer from invasive species who came uninvited and unwelcomed? They can all then leave to Australia where you all came uninvited and unwelcome and exterminated indigenous people along the way. What is it with your dimwitted humanoids that you think that humanoids can only go in one direction: always in (and uninvited of course) and never out, hmm? If they got in, they can get out. Or do you think they should be allowed to pollute and destroy everything just like you have done? Not here. We shall take Antarctica for ourselves. Spend your time casing all your want, and I don’t care for Christchurch shooting either. What I think you europeans should do is pack up and leave for white european lands. Australia ought to belong to Asians. We can’t have Russkies taking from them east Asia and Anglos Australia. Either Tatars return them what they stole in east Asia, or Anglos give them Australia. Everyone knows that Australia belongs to Asia. Doesn’t belong to us. The question is where do you belong?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  235. Cyrano says:
    @Malacaay

    Listen Malakia (check with the Greeks on that one – what it means), Albanians are of African origin in a sense of middle eastern African, like the Arabs, not black Africans. Proof of this is their head gear – similar in fashion like the Jews wear – who are also of middle eastern origin. Since you like to pretend that you know much, I suggest you read this article about your wonderful country and its past accomplishments. It’s one of the best articles I’ve seen in a while.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/language-and-blood/

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  236. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Are you of that fake Jewish origin or you share some Serboi Sarmatian? Only these two kinds blather with passion and peddle their moronic chatter with such tenacity. I remember one Serboi offer to duel me (didn’t of course; it was all talk with them), strange that you little rat would too. As for Albanians, your claim of them having African origin is not even childish, it’s straight nuthouse material; you are a laughing stock for children, little rat. They don’t resemble Africans in any way shape or form. They are not Mulat race either, like some of those Berber Muslimos. These couldn’t possibly have African ancestry.

    All your legitimacy is already gone, little rat. Readers in the future will regard you as a clown. They will all say, remember that imbecilic little rat that Malacaay trashed like a can around.

    • Replies: @FB
  237. Malacaay says:
    @Cyrano

    You are a clown. Physiology of some of these Berbers cleraly tells of which origin they are, as do physiology of Albanians to Albanians.

    Berber of African origin. Mulat race.
    Whre are those African traits in Albanians, clown? Do you know how stupid you clowns are? This is not even childish level of stupidity, it’s straight madhouse level.

    As for Arabs, they are of no African origin either, except some Yemenis. I’ve seen some Yemenis with Afro physiology. Maybe there are a few half-breeds of Mular race, since Arabs allow Africans to settle in if they are Muslimo. Arabs are of no Afro origin either. Structure of their bones is very different than that of Africans.

  238. peterAUS says:
    @Malacaay

    Became boring. On “ignore”.

    Back to topic.

    Re “various teams in Serb thing” in Balkans, it pays, perhaps, to see the FULL story of two French pilots shot down over Bosnia.

    The problem the author, and almost all commenters have here, is seeing “Serbs” as one, unified, entity, working together on a common goal. Wrong. Actually…couldn’t be more wrong.

    Serbs were the party which had tremendous internal divisions during all those “troubles” there in 90’s.
    Croats didn’t. Muslims not as good as Croats but close enough.

    Serbs….well….different story. The motto on the coat of arms…

    THAT is one of the reasons, major in my book, for the “riddle of Srebrenica”.

    My take: Milosevic didn’t even know about it, even for weeks after it was done.
    Mladic didn’t know about it for more than a week after it was done.
    Karadzic the same.

    Some other people within “Serb thing”, both in Bosnia and Serbia did, of course. That “team” planned and executed it, for their own goals. The goals which were quite different from those of Milosevic, Mladic, and Karadzic.

    So..hehe…yes…Serbs did commit a mass atrocity in Srebrenica.
    At the same time, they did not.

    Not that matters, of course. Facts don’t matter in this paradigm. Right, left, Serbs, Muslims, international community…blah..blah…
    Applies to 99% of all sides above. Hehe…including here.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  239. Malacaay says:
    @peterAUS

    Serbs from Rep. of Serbska are the only good Serbois, as they don’t seek to take from others, but only to guard their own. And we do have the same interests: freeing our people from Bosnian exploitation, domination and colonization. Did you know that when Bosnian warlord Naser Oric committed those crimes against the Serbs in Srebrenica (they were killing Serbo women and children, from Serbian villages around Srebrenica), all those Serbs who lost their family members gathered and slaughtered Bosnians in return. I read somewhere that only 400 VRS soldiers (Army of Rep Serbska) who led by R.Mladic was enlarged by a couple of thousand local volunteers who came for revenge. They encircled Bosnian army of 5.000. That’s why those Bosnians were executed. In Croatia we had 600k Serbois who were strong and full of themselves when they had Yugoslav army behind them. But even then they were clealy focused on ethnic cleansing and mass raping of women, behaved like a gang or bandits. Out of 600k they only managed to form an army of 15k soldiers. Commit some petty crimes is all they were good for, like raping women and torturing prisoners. And when the Storm started they run away running over their own people in the flight. Look:

    This is what Serbo army did to their own people when they got scared: they run over column of their own Serbian refugees with tanks to protect their own skin.

  240. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    You can protest all you like Afro-Shiptar Donkey…

    The genetic science is well established…unlike your retarded Afro-Shiptar fantasies about Troy and Illyrians…

    The Albanians in Albania have 35 percent of the E haplogroup…the Kosovar Albanians fully 45 percent…facts right here, with references to genetic studies…

    Haplogroup E-V68, also known as E1b1b1a, is a major human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup found in North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia and Europe.

    Look at the genetic map again donkey turd…

    What do you see for Albania…35 percent of the E1b1b1a…PLUS another 25 of the Middle Eastern J2…

    E-M78 [ie E1b1b1a] is widely distributed in North Africa, Horn of Africa, West Asia (stretching as far as Southern Asia), and Europe.

    The highest frequencies of all the defined E-M78 sub-clades is primarily found amongst Afroasiatic-speaking populations in the large area stretching from the haplogroup’s putative place of origin in Upper Egypt to the Sudan and the Horn of Africa.

    We see that Kosovar Albanian total genetic makeup is CONSISTS OF NEARLY HALF OF THIS AFRICAN GENE…

    We see that Serbs have about 20 percent, and Greeks are up there too…but the dominant gene in Serbs and Croats and Bosnians is the I-M170, which makes up over 40 percent of their genetic makeup…[over 50 percent in Bosnians…]

    Albanians have none of this European gene,

    I-M170 is found predominantly in Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia and Northern Europe…Norwegians also have about 40 percent of I-M170…Swedes also over 40 percent…Dutch are over 30 percent…

    Here is a list by country, donkey…

    I already covered this in my previous comment in my previous comment here…

    I have nothing against Albanians…[I have met very fine folks who are of Albanian extraction…]or any other ethnic group…I treat people on their individual merits…but genetic facts are facts…

    The fact that you come on here and pretend to be a Croat is fucking ridiculous…your hissy fits and hysteria and your inability to understand even basic science points to profound mental retardation…and disturbing emotional instability

    Everyone here has pegged you as a pathetic noisemaker with no understanding of facts…do yourself a favor and hand yourself over to the white slave traders in the Albanian mafia…they will sell you as a eunuch to some rich Arab and the world will be better off by eliminating your obviously faulty genes from the human gene pool…

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  241. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Imbecilic rat, Albanians are no Illyrians any more than Serbois are. As for them being African origin, pictures themselves say everything one needs to know regarding that imbecility, rat. Regarding your “well-established” sciences like haplogroups that contradicts itself on every other place, or “well-established” political scientists, or “well-established” economic scientists, or “well-established” sociological scientists, we all know what kind of scientists these are: nothing like mathematicians or physicists. By far the most established sciences among the mentioned is economy. Yet take 3 economists you will get 3 different opinions regarding specific issue. With these haplogroup “scientists” yo get different results depending on political agenda they are pushing, because those who are paying for their studies are interested in political scheming their propaganda can produce. I see now that you are professional masonic scum. No other than someone on masonic payroll would spread that “brotherhood of bosnians, serbs and croats” packed into “science” with tenacity. Scum, know that your drivel will never get a last say or acceptance, no matter how many times you repeat your moronic blather. “Afro-Shiptar” Either they are afros or schiptars. They cannot be both, you imbecilic scum. And they have no connection with Troy whatsoever, rat imbecile. I didn’t read past the picture. This is not some Disney program, rat.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @FB
  242. peterAUS says:

    Had a quick chat with a connected fellow…..

    Re the killing of POWs.
    According to him:
    The very Commander of the Brigade which supplied the local units to the “Beara outfit” wasn’t there at the moment and didn’t know what’s going on. Actually, the best part of that Brigade, with him naturally, were heavily engaged somewhere else at the time.
    His deputy, who was left in the area, informed him about the requests by the “Beara outfit” and what’s going on.

    The same with Corps Commander. Same with Mladic himself. All of them, heavily, engaged/busy somewhere else.

    Etc.

    I know, bothersome details. Best to ignore all that, especially if “normie”.
    Well, 80 % of visitors/commentators here too, of course.
    The truth: it was The Genocide. Eight Thousand Boys and Men were slaughtered….etc. Easy.

    Now, I do know that some Serbs know the real truth. No way they are going to share it with anyone except people they TRUST. In private.

    So, we are left with trying to connect the dots. 1%, that is, here. In time…………………….

    As for The Shooter from Christchurch and inspiration, well, the guy apparently traveled to the region. Heard stories. One just needs to hear a couple of facts about what Oric and Co. did to Serbs there at the time………….

    And Constantinople—>Istanbul.
    Christchurch—>Īsā ibn Maryam plus,what, “kanisa”? Good?
    In time………….hehe..I mean the NZ PM showed the way. Haha..leading by example. That’s leadership.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  243. Cyrano says:
    @Malacaay

    On a more lighter note, you know what’s my favourite Croat song of all times? – “Danke, danke Deutschland. The artistry, the virtuosity of performance, it was just amazing. I think it should make it into the Rock ‘n Roll hall of fame. I am surprised that it hasn’t been already inducted.

    What where you danking the krauts for anyway? Were you danking them that you are donkeys? Why, oh, why do you believe that the krauts are in love with you? They hate all Slavs, and they love you? Is it because of the mongrel looks? Polish look like true Aryans and the krauts still wanted to exterminate them. And they fell in love with you? As long as you believe that, that’s’ all that matters.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Malacaay
  244. Malacaay says:
    @peterAUS

    They couldn’t find 8.000 remains. They only have c. 2.000 or two and a half. Something like that. Not more. It was a justice served. Those Bosnian army who were killing Serbos before got killed themselves. Serbos there weren’t killing women and children, they transported them to Bosnian land.

    Turskih istanbul and many other places will cease to be so when we take them are return things in their rightful place and original form.

    You are left with the fact that Australia is Asian and you have to leave.

  245. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    I didn’t read past the picture…

    Not surprised…Donkeys aren’t known for their reading comprehension…

    As for hard sciences…I happen to know a little about the subject, being an aerospace engineer…

    Genetics is a rigorous science based on organic chemistry and relies heavily on math and physics…it cannot be compared to political ‘science’ or ‘economics’ or some such silliness…proving once again what a hopeless donkey you are…

    Your gas eruptions about Illyrians and Troy…NOW THAT’S REAL SCIENCE…LOLOLOL

    At least you’re progressing in your ‘career’…soon you may be appointed Albania’s Idiot Laureate…LOLOLOL

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  246. peterAUS says:

    Sort of funny. The level of…….ah, whatever. Doesn’t matter.

    Just a quick question for a Serb lurker/anon here:
    What’s your take on Tomo Kovac and his take on Srebrenica?
    Yes, of course the man is the Player, but, still.

    So…
    1. Smooth operator (smoke and mirrors to protect Karadjic)?
    2. He is correct in his assessment (pointing to certain direction) ?
    3. Something else?

    Public WiFi, quick access to this site, anon…shouldn’t take more than 10 minutes….hehe…..

    Could add some value to all this blathering around.

    Or…perhaps, you can wait a bit. No rush.
    This topic will come up soon, again, here.

  247. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    I don’t read cartoons, rat. Or drivel from proven imbeciles and cowardly sleaze. Rat, you have proven yourself to be a complete and utter imbecile. A sleaze of cowardice and utter imbecility. Very disgusting kind. You’d be universally hated just like all masonic scum workers are everywhere around our part of the world. Agents of corruption, degeneracy and foulness. Albanians being of African origins when their very appearance from that picture itself proves total imbecility of your “well-established” propaganda source for all to see. Rat, people are not stupid or blind to fall from that kind of Teletubbies propaganda. Only imbecilic libtard mammals like yourself can fall for such gibberish, intelligence-insulting material. Like I said, you are a laughing shock for 6 yos. Children are not that stupid. Have you ever seen a Serb, rat? Obviously not.
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-79386a8ecc85fcab17ac1942770ebbb7

    As everyone can witness, those pictuers themselves prove that there is no physiognomic difference between Serbs and Albanians. Or us for that matter. We are of the same racial stock. Structure of their faces and their bones prove it without shred of a doubt. The same is true for Slavs and Aryans. Slavs are of lighter complexion and hair color. Not of different racial origin.

    I reply to you only to rip your innards out. We never back down, little rat. I’d follow you to the river of souls just to rip your guts out, and all of your kind. I’ll be fun to rip throats out of professional NGO workers, professional media spreaders of liberal degeneracy, professional political party activists (who are all liberals) and other liberal scum. That scum is universally hated in every corner of the planet due to liberal degeneracy they infest the host with. Masonic blight has no place in this world. There ought to be announced a worldwide prosecution of agents of degeneracy spreading liberal plague as well as capitalist parasites parroting their capitalist ideology of exploitation and theft. Their guilt is so pervasive that even death is mercy for them.

    • Replies: @FB
  248. Malacaay says:
    @Cyrano

    Doesn’t matter. We like Germans because Germans have never sought to take our land. That’s one of many reasons we like them. And Germans are behaviorally people we like. We get along very well. Slavs are not bad behaviorally speaking too. Some, not all of them. Those Czechs are disgusting people. Slovenians are parasites, thieves and scoundrels. We don’t like Chechs at all. Promiscuous people we hate. Whores we hate with passion. If Serbois didn’t try to steal our land we would get along just nicely. But they wanted to steal, and nobody steals from us. Slavic toponyms cannot be on Haemus Mons peninsula. They must be changed into original state. Name of peninsula itself must change into its native name: Haemus Mons, not that Turkish occupiers’ name “Balkan.” There will be peace once Tukish occupiers are sent to central Asia where they came from, following the rule of third.

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  249. FB says: • Website
    @Malacaay

    I reply to you only to rip your innards out.

    Aww…why so temperamental tiny one…did the live chicken the asylum guards throw you for supper last night put up a good fight before you were able to gnaw its head off with your rotten, falling out teeth…?

    LOLOLOL

    Btw…that article Cyrano posted was very interesting…

    Language and Blood…

    I looked up some interesting facts referenced therein…

    The Croat intellectuals of the early 19’th century [along with Slovenes and Serbs] discovered that their mutual language and its dialects had more in common than the many mutually unintelligeble German dialects, for instance…scattered among the dozens of principalities that existed before there was such a thing as the German nation, which was only formed later that century…same for Italy…

    Ie…within the German populated lands there was less of a common language than between the Slovenes, Croats and Serbs…in fact less than between ALL Slavs in general…all Slavs, from Russia, to Czechia to Slovenia could understand about 40 percent of each other’s language…something that was not the case in either Germany nor Italy…

    Thus was born the pan-Slavic movement known as the Illyrian movement…

    In the beginning of the 1830s, a group of young Croatian writers initially led by Ljudevit Gaj gathered in Zagreb and established a movement for national renewal and unity of all South Slavs…

    It’s pretty funny now how you African-Albanian Donkeys have latched on to the Illyrian thing and try to make it into your own myth…

    Btw…the great Croat ‘nationalist’ Ante Starcevic was born to a Serbian mother…and was also connected to the pan-Slavist Illyrian movement…

    It’s pretty clear you have ZERO connection to Croatia…just another Afro-Shiptar Donkey…who also happens to be clinically retarded…

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  250. Cyrano says:
    @Malacaay

    You know the Marshal – one of smarter Croats, despite all his faults? Anyway, you know what Tito once said about the Germans? It was so long ago, I don’t remember where I read it, or heard it on TV. It doesn’t matter. Here is what he roughly said about your beloved Germans. Apparently the Marshal was in position once to observe the visits of friends among the Germans and he noticed that when Germans visit friends, they bring food and drink with them, in order not to strain the budget of their friends. Seems pretty reasonable, right? Except the Slavs would never do that. It’s an offense against the hospitality capability of the host. Anyway, you know how the Marshall commented on this fine, fine German tradition? He said: “I realized what a cold and selfish people the Germans are”. He was basically appalled by the practice. Enjoy your friendship with the Germans. You are the same – not genetically of course, selfishness wise.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  251. peterAUS says:

    Let’s try to summarize.
    The “journalist and staff writer Murtaza Hussain” angle is that

    …many of the perpetrators behind mass shootings and domestic terrorism in the West — from the convicted far right extremist behind the 2011 Norway attacks to the suspect charged in the recent mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand — were influenced by ethnic cleansing committed by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims during the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s.

    That’s fine. His breed is incapable of critical thought. Pays well, probably.

    The truth is, some of the “perpetrators” above were influenced by ethnic cleansing committed by Bosnian Muslims against Serbs and Croats there.

    As for Srebrenica, in all that, it was the actions of Oric and Co. around Srebrenica, against Serbs there.

    And, of course, all that Bosnian Muslim effort then and there was supported by the very same players who support this “population replacement” in the West.
    Or, for simple minds, Serbs and Croats simply had the first taste of the game. Westerners are starting to learn it.

    To offset that Serbs and Croats used hardware up to and including air assets and heavy armor and artillery. Corps sized efforts. Serious work.
    The Westerners, so far, assault rifles and shotguns. Individuals. Pinpricks.

    Interesting times ahead.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  252. well considering both were Zionist hoaxes

  253. Max Parry says:
    @peterAUS

    The Croats were also supported by the West, not just the Muslims. You are making the same Western-centric projections onto Balkan history that liberals like Hussain and right-wingers like Tarrant are. You didn’t understand the article at all.

    • Agree: FB
  254. parkerd says:

    MAX PARRY, you are part of the problem. You should be ashamed for spreading western propaganda. You have swallowed hook, line and sinker all the fictions used to excuse the actual crimes against humanity and war crimes committed by the modern Croatian Catholic Ustashe and the Albanian Muslims. You are partly correct about imported Muslims being used by the CIA/US. There end your “facts”.
    Basically, until you read what actually happened and the background for it, as in Diane Johnstone’s Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO, and Western Delusions you remain ignorant. Also, to quote Noam Chomsky as an authority on the destruction of Yugoslavia and the key players is nauseating. Jared Israel exposes Chomsky uninformed comments, outright lies, and lack of character – http://tenc.net/yr/chomsky.htm

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  255. Max Parry says: • Website
    @parkerd

    Did you even read the article which is very obviously pro-Serbian? I’m probably as vehemently anti-Western as anyone can possibly be. I wrote at length about the crimes of the Ustase and the KLA, it’s center to the argument I make in the article. I’ve read Diana’s book as well as Michael Parenti, nothing I wrote here contradicts them. I only cited the Chomsky observation about Turkey because it was useful. You are clearly illiterate.

  256. @Max Parry

    The Croats were also supported by the West, not just the Muslims.

    This is mostly true, but not entirely so.

    In Bosnia, the Croats and Muslims were allied against Serbs in 1992, until October 1992, and then again from 1994 against the Serbs. During that in-between time period from late 1992 – early 1994 there was a war and conflict between Croats and Muslims in Bosnia. That is, during the same time period that Croats and Muslims were fighting against each other, both these groups were also fighting Serbs at the same time. This conflict is known as the Croat-Bosniak War from 1992-1994.

    It basically ended in 1994 when the USA strong-armed the Bosnian Croats to make peace with the Muslims in Bosnia in order for both of them to go and fight against Serbs. The outcome was unfavorable for the Bosnian Croats, since they basically had to be subordinated to fight against the Serbs as de facto Muslim subjects while after the war at the Dayton peace accords, they didn’t get their own entity at all, while the Serbs got Republika Srpska (RS) and the Muslims got their Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (FBiH).

    It is very clear that during the Yugoslav Wars, the West supported Muslims (Bosnian and Albanian) first and foremost over Serbs, and even Croats, but of course, the West supported literally anyone and everyone against Serbs right from the very beginning to the very end, and in fact, the same applies even to this day, but obviously there is no war in the region now.

    I am personally curious to learn from peterAUS as to what the exact causes of the Croat-Muslim 1992-1994 War were, as in whether it was the Muslims who started it by trying to make Croats into dhimni and ethnically cleansing them, or whether the Croats tried to unite West Herzegovina and other Croat areas in Bosnia with Croatia. Unfortunately, I suspect peterAUS put me on his ignore list due to a previous exchange, but I don’t really care either way.

  257. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I suspect peterAUS put me on his ignore list due to a previous exchange

    I don’t think so. I got the impression that his comment #248 was addressed at you or some similar anon with information or opinion on the matter he mentioned.

    To complicate matters further, Bosnian Serbs had their own Bosnian Muslim allies for a time in that war – the forces of Fikret Abdic. Sometime around 1993 I think.

  258. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    Serbs seem to believe that they are entitled to a hegemony over the Balkans, combine that with a large dose of Islamophobia and xenophobia generally in Serb society and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

    I don’t know why they have such an inflated and arrogant view of their position within the region, maybe it is because they are the largest country in the region which makes them believe that the other countries should submit to their rule? Serbs even today don’t seem to fully respect the right of the other countries to be independent, their view seems to be that they split Yugoslavia up therefore they deserved all they got. Serbs are definitely people will a big sense of entitlement.

  259. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Little rat, you are just an utterly ignorant and stupid sack of shit. Serb before told you who A. Starcevic is. He wasn’t born to Serbian mother, but Orthodox Christer mother. I mentioned who those “Serbs” from republic of Serbs were. So too many “Serbs” in Croatia became so via Serbo Orthodox Church baptism. Starcevic is not called “Farther of Homeland” because he was “nationalist.” He was no fake nationalist, he hated Serbois. Serb before himself told you so, so what kind of “history” you are peddling, you moronic piece of shit: “Pan-Slavist Illyrian” movement. Punk, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are an utter ignorant imbecile. The whole time here we were discussing completely different origin of Illyrians relative to Slavs.

    From my knowledge, only Serbois call Albanians Sciptars, as a kind of insult. But Albanianos call themselves Sciptars. This is common knowledge. You can see on wiki page that in Albanian they refer to themselves as Shqiptarët. Savvy people will notice connection with Armenian lingua. Armenian language has that vowel “ë.” Us natives never had such phonems.

    Illyrian and Thracian were similar to Latin, as evident by many common words. The native name of the peninsula itself is a proof of that. Albanianos colonized our souther tribes, the same way as Serbois or Croatos. Notice here, moronic rat punk, that only Croatos are Slavs. Neither Serbois or Albanianos are Slavic people. And punk, nobody here likes Slovenians. We have Slovenians in our Croat nation. They are kajkavian speakers. Completely different mentality than us. They too are scoundrels, thieves, stooges, bootlickers and serfs. We don’t get well at all. This relation we have with them was an ancient one. That prooves that invasive species weren’t numerous enough to change our souls so to speak.

  260. FB says: • Website

    Albanianos colonized our souther tribes, the same way as Serbois or Croatos.

    So now you are dissing the Croats as well…?

    Clearly you are a nutcase…

    Whatever…better luck with your live chicken supper tonight…

    [OTOH if they throw you a rooster, my bet is on the rooster EATING YOU…LOLOLOLOLOL]

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  261. Malacaay says:
    @Cyrano

    Tito, a humanoid phenomenon whose little finger magically managed to grow up after visiting USSR, hmm? That man. True Broz was murdered in USSR and replaced with a look-like person. A clone we would say. He couldn’t speak kajkavian, yet Broz himself was a Slovenian (you would say Croat, but that’s not true in its essence). True Broz lost his little finger sometime during his craft-learning years I think (he was a locksmith by profession). Nobody here has any respect for fake Broz. Not Serbs, not Croats, not Slovenians. Noone but masonic communists and those who are on their payroll. That tells me everything I need to know. A man who is universally despised among all the nations of former Yugoslavia, is not someone you should invoke. And I don’t care what jewish clone apparently said. Selfishness? Nobody is more selfish than Slovenians or Jews from whose stock fake Broz arose. Germans honor their words. They are no lying, dishonest, deceiving, despicable kind. That’s good enough for me. I see hundreds of thousands of Serbois, those shit-eaters of Tatars who call themselves Russkies (now that some deceiving there to start with that kind, isn’t it), residing and working in Germany. Who provided them with jobs? Germans did. How many of them can be found in Russia? Tatars have lots of unused land, but they never offered it to Serbois, not even after Albanianos expelled them from Kosovo. Such generosity not to let your best friends cultivating your unused land. I find these fake Russkies you so like disgusting. Their sexual behavior is revolting. They are just if not worse than that Czech scum. These Tatars are thugs and whores. Nomadic scum is worthy of contempt only. So keep your Tatars to yourself, Cy-ri-ano. We don’t need that scum. Further away from us, the better. And those Anglos and the French who are equally disgusting kind. We don’t like these kinds behaviorally. Their sexual habits and general behavior is revolting to us.

  262. Malacaay says:
    @FB

    Dissing, rat? I refer everyone by their proper name. Slavic kind that came from Carpathian Mountains has no place on our land, and I say this as a Croato nominally myself. Slavic Croatos, Iranian Serbois, Armenian or Georgian Albanians, Slavo-Turks Bosnians. They are all invasive species. I know. I live here. Once they are subjected to our colonization properly, things will be how they ought to be.

  263. peterAUS says:
    @Max Parry

    The Croats were also supported by the West, not just the Muslims.

    Not during
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat%E2%80%93Bosniak_War

    You didn’t understand the article at all.

    Good.
    You don’t understand the Balkan games in the nineties.
    You, actually, don’t understand Balkans at all. Tarrant, at least, got a bit of it. The important bit.

    BTW, if you go down this road

    …the article which is very obviously pro-Serbian?….

    you should improve your research skills.

    You and I made our differences clear here. Let’s skip the debate.

  264. peterAUS says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Unfortunately, I suspect peterAUS put me on his ignore list due to a previous exchange, but I don’t really care either way.

    Unfortunately, but don’t care…..
    Not on the ignore list (you are, still, civil, in your comments here) but let’s call it “fast skimming” approach. No offense. The reason is simple: you don’t appear to know much about the things that interest me and your “angle” isn’t mine. Definitely not.

    Having said that, I do believe that some commentators and lurkers can find some value in:

    …what the exact causes of the Croat-Muslim 1992-1994 War were, as in whether it was the Muslims who started it by trying to make Croats into dhimni and ethnically cleansing them, or whether the Croats tried to unite West Herzegovina and other Croat areas in Bosnia with Croatia.

    More importantly, for a couple of reasons, some lurkes/annons can chime in with interesting info.

    The answer is simple:
    Both.

    Wasn’t that the fundamental reason for Balkans games in the nineties? Resolving, finally, what is “ours”. Blood and soil.

    Serbs having all the lands up to Zagreb/Karlovac/whatever.
    Croats having all the lands up to Drina river plus Voivodina.
    Muslims having their Islamic state.
    Hehehe….the problem with above, obviously, was/is/will be Bosnia. In the middle of all that demand for land.

    That’s the general answer. Now into details. Disclaimer: some information I have, even if correct, I’d never share in public. Maybe some hints here and there. Whoever doesn’t understand that shouldn’t be part of this conversation. Hehe…I am sure you understand.

    Croats also, at the time, had different approaches to the thing. Similar to Serb problem of unity. Fractions.

    One fraction, old school, wanted the resurrection of the state from WW2. Alliance with Muslims and all that Drina/Voivodina.
    Another fraction, call it a new school, wanted something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banovina_of_Croatia
    I hope you know who was who in those groups. If not, just skip/ignore my comment.

    The issue was resolved on one hot day in August ’92, on a road in Herzegovina.
    The new school consolidated its power and the rest is history. Including General Praljak suicide.

    That’s for Croats.
    Muslims, well, just re-read
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Declaration

  265. peterAUS says:

    Actually, on re-read, a correction; let’s put it this way:
    Croats pre-empted Muslims. Pre-emptive strike, if you will.

    So, in purely technical terms, Croats started it. That fraction I mentioned.

    Muslims, at the time, were quite happy with bidding their time. Defeat Serbs, consolidate, and then go at Croats. Hehe…as they’ve been doing since Dayton.
    As what they are doing as we speak, actually.

    The primary objective, now, is to cancel Dayton (that’s what Srebrenica and “genocide” are REALLY all about). Then, “delete” Republika Srpska.
    Then, “delete” any self-rule in Herzeg -Bosna.
    Good plan, a?

    Makes sense? If not, just ignore.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  266. @peterAUS

    Unfortunately, but don’t care…..

    It would only be unfortunate because there are interesting things that I could learn from you and discuss, but otherwise, it really wouldn’t be the end of the world if you put me on your ignore list.

    Croats also, at the time, had different approaches to the thing. Similar to Serb problem of unity. Fractions.

    One fraction, old school, wanted the resurrection of the state from WW2. Alliance with Muslims and all that Drina/Voivodina.
    Another fraction, call it a new school, wanted something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banovina_of_Croatia
    I hope you know who was who in those groups. If not, just skip/ignore my comment.

    Makes sense. That divide has existed in the Croat nationalist movement for decades since the 1940’s, if not longer. Until now, I never really bothered to learn about one of my enemy groups.

    What I find heartwarming to see is that Serbs are now more united than since the 1990’s (putting aside the liberals, traitors and so on). The divide between Krajina Serbs, Bosnian Serbs, and east of the Drina Serbs was partly resolved in 1995, since currently, only Serbs in Bosnia and East of the Drina exist as serious regional powers. Nothing exists which would cause Serbs East of the Drina to have incompatible aims, goals and efforts compared to those of Bosnian Serbs. The only potential issue would be the desire of Serbs east of the Drina to retake Kosovo and other areas of Old Serbia first, before moving West. All in the right moment, of course.

    I know that I would personally prefer the Serbian Army to return to Kosovo first, before aiming to unite with Republika Srpska.

    The issue was resolved on one hot day in August ’92, on a road in Herzegovina.
    The new school consolidated its power and the rest is history. Including General Praljak suicide.

    That’s for Croats.

    Understood. I know I certainly don’t miss Blaž Kraljević.

    The primary objective, now, is to cancel Dayton (that’s what Srebrenica and “genocide” are REALLY all about). Then, “delete” Republika Srpska.
    Then, “delete” any self-rule in Herzeg -Bosna.
    Good plan, a?

    As much as I pressed agree with comment 267, which for the most part I do, I still don’t think the Bosnian Muslims will be able to pull this off successfully.

    The Bosnian Muslims main backer, the USA/NATO, is getting weaker as time passes, which makes their military presence in the Balkans and support for the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (FBiH) untenable in the long term. The Muslims have other backers, or potential backers, including Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey which will, or already are supporting them in their efforts, but without the decisive military intervention of the USA/NATO, they can’t defeat the Serbs.

    The Muslims simply can’t win. The geo-political alignment in the world is currently very different compared to the 1990’s, and Serbs are less divided now than in that time period. Overall, FBiH, as Dodik correctly highlights, would literally fall apart on itself and stop functioning in less than 2 days without any international support.

    Still, I think it’s important for Serbs east of the Drina to understand how much of a danger Muslims pose to Bosnian Serbs, and even them as well. Milorad Dodik with good reasons states that Bakir Izetbegovic is Serb enemy number 1 compared to literally everyone else in the region. Also, of course, Dodik is with good reason eager to publicly push for the secession of Republika Srpska from FBiH, the 9th January Republika Srpska Day celebrations and referendums, forming new reservist and armed police forces such as earlier this month when he managed to pull of creating the RS Gendermarie, and etc.

    Also, the demographic trends in Bosnia are also favorable for Serbs and Croats relative to Muslims as since 2000 (or 1995?), the Muslims have been having the least kids out of everyone in Bosnia, and have been emigrating the most compared to all other groups (despite being the majority population). For instance, Mostar is majority Croat now due to demographics working by itself over time, as Mostar gradually shifted from being majority Muslim, to currently being majority Croat.

    The current situation in Bosnia is indeed edgy and somewhat dicey for Bosnian Serbs, but I think they will survive and succeed in uniting with Serbia in the long term because demographics and world geopolitics, with the passing of time, are increasingly more and more in favor of Serbs. The Muslims are actually the ones who are in trouble in Bosnia, which is why they are so desperate to act quickly and aggressively to achieve their goal of an Islam State while they can. They know they are done for without their USA/NATO backers. Same thing applies for Albanians on Kosovo.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  267. @peterAUS

    Not on the ignore list (you are, still, civil, in your comments here) but let’s call it “fast skimming” approach. No offense. The reason is simple: you don’t appear to know much about the things that interest me and your “angle” isn’t mine. Definitely not.

    That’s fine. I’m certainly not an expert on the Yugoslav Wars, but I’m very interested in learning more, and I strongly distrust the mainstream narrative about those events. Otherwise, your angle is quite interesting and fringe. Most of it, that is. It has certainly gotten me to think more about all the creative ways in which ethno-demographic facts on the field can be changed, the practical merits of them, and to ponder the ethics or morality of it. Also, of course, to understand political power dynamics better (I’ll have to take the time to understand military-technical dynamics better too, though).

    I could be wrong, but your ultimate goal seems to be to encourage those of your “tribe” to realize the importance of, and ultimately, the need to use the various, “creative and culturally enriching ways of changing ethno-demographic facts on the ground” on certain populations in the areas that your “tribe” considers it owns.

    That’s not really my business, but good luck with that, since you and your tribe are going to need it.

  268. peterAUS says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I still don’t think the Bosnian Muslims will be able to pull this off successfully.

    The current rulers of the West, not Bosnian Muslims. Part of the real game. Step by step.
    Delete “Republika Srpska”, remove any Croat self-rule, “unite” Bosnia and Herzegovina under Muslim regime.
    Get that country in NATO/EU.
    Move on Serbia. Get Serbia in NATO/EU. “Little Russia” resolved on the southeast flank.
    Move on the East. The real prize in The Game.

    Something like that.

    …the USA/NATO, is getting weaker as time passes…

    That’s what some people believe. Some don’t. We’ll see.

    ….it’s important for Serbs east of the Drina to understand how much of a danger Muslims pose to Bosnian Serbs…

    That’s one look at it. Another is: it’s important for Serbs to understand WHO, REALLY, their true enemy is in this game. Don’t see that happening. Just me.

    ….The current situation in Bosnia is indeed edgy and somewhat dicey for Bosnian Serbs

    Yep. This “Srebrenica thing” and push for genocide is a well-planned initiative. Getting traction, obviously. It’s not “massacre” anymore, or “war crime”. It’s GENOCIDE.

    Oh, BTW, you didn’t mention that HUGE list of people who are charged, by Sarajevo, on Serb side, by genocide. 20 000 Serbs, is it?
    See this article? You think it’s a coincidence? And “your” guys can’t even come up, together, with what really happened there. What’s the problem? The only guys in Hague are “your” guys. Stanisic, Simatovic, Mladic. Coincidence?

    Anyway, interesting times ahead.

    As for the second and third paragraphs from the comment below, let’s keep it simple:
    What is good for Whites. In the West, that is.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
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