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(Conducted via emails by Mohammad Homaeefar (MH) at

Muslim Press has conducted an interview with poet, writer, and columnist Gary Corseri to discuss the foreign policy of the United States.

Here’s the full text of this interview:

MP: Thank you for agreeing to give us an interview Mr. Corseri.

Gary Corseri: Thank you for asking!

MP: Let me begin by asking: how did you become a political activist?

Gary Corseri: You know, I’m almost embarrassed to call myself a “political activist”! In my own mind, I haven’t done enough! Yes, from age 14, I started writing “Letters to the Editor,” and some were published in respectable New York City newspapers.

Neither of my parents were “activist,” but my father, especially, could be outspoken about his opinions on the contemporaneous scene. He was a sharp judge of character, and when certain politicians would spew their nonsense on a TV news program, my father would yell at the TV! That could be funny, but it also taught me that I didn’t have to take the words of “authority figures” as gospel–I could question, and I had to think for myself, and then I could express myself–flamboyantly, as my father did, or, in time, more subtly, maybe more persuasively, depending on the occasion.

I was actually fairly reticent as a child. I stuttered and took special speech classes from grades 1 through 6. I learned how to enunciate more clearly, but I also learned that I could express myself as well as any other student–with a pen and paper.

MP: How did the Vietnam War affect you? What’s your take on this war?

Gary Corseri: For me, the “Vietnam War” started on November 22, 1963!

I know that in point of fact it started long before then–with French colonization of Indochina and with the rebellion against that colonization following the collapse of the Japanese Empire during WWII, and then the American involvement following the defeat of the French at Dien Bien Phu, etc.

But, all of that was a kind of distant music for me–an unpleasant dissonance, to be sure…, but, that war, and all the other wars, all the struggles for autonomy and liberty, exploded in my consciousness on the day that President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas.

I was 17 years old–a freshman at the University of Florida. How could such a thing happen? The cognitive dissonance was searing!

As a teen, I was mostly interested in literature, history, journalism. I read H. G. Wells’ magnificent tome, “The Outline of History,” so I had some sense of the checkered history of our striving, too-often conniving, species!

But, I was also a product of my upbringing in a comfortable, middle-class environment. My parents were mixed–Sicilian-Catholic and Ukrainian-Jewish, and that sort of “hybridicness” made me different back then; but, I was raised in a secular home, and I was open to all kinds of religious and philosophical thought: I read the Bible on my own; and I read books by or about Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Gandhi, Muhammad, Socrates and Aristotle. I read about Sufiism and the “Bhagavad Gita.” I read Tagore and Shakespeare, Freud and Jung.

Was the human race fated to make the same stupid mistakes over and over? War after war after war?

The Vietnam War (and the Kennedy Assassination) led me to question the values that my schools had tried to inculcate: ideas and ideals about American democracy, and, though we didn’t call it that then, a sense of American “exceptionalism.”

As the war years dragged on, I marched in anti-war demonstrations. I had a draft deferment as a teacher, and when that route closed, I had a deferment because of an extensive record of congenital asthma. I spoke out (I had found my voice!) and wrote against US imperialist policies. I am pretty sure my activism cost me a couple of good teaching jobs. (We were supposed to be quiet! We were supposed to just teach Literature or Literary Criticism, etc.!).

One time, as an Instructor at the University of Florida, I was involved in an anti-war demonstration, and the state militia had been called out. There were military armored cars in the street, and the National Guard were hurling tear gas canisters at the unarmed, peaceful demonstrators! I tasted that tear gas and coughed and coughed. Frankly, I much prefer the taste of spaghetti with clam sauce and white wine!

MP: Let’s move on to the Middle East. How do you compare Bush and Obama’s policies on this region?

Gary Corseri: What’s the diff?

Bush and Obama are “suits.” They dress according to the fashion of the time. But, they are essentially the same–Empire-builders, Empire-expansionists, Empire-apologists and preservationists.

After 911, George W. Bush could take his cowboy act on the road, act like a big sheriff, come out with his “Wanted Dead or Alive!” B.S. about Osama bin Laden. And, the US population, being rather ignorant about real-politic, history, and human character, bought into it, waved the flag, cheered on the troops, and celebrated “Shock and Awe” with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice, et. al.

There’s never any real contextualization in America! (Our “mainstream media” is mostly a joke, spouting the same-o same-o nonsense about “they hate us for our freedoms!”–as Cowboy Bush put it; and there’s almost no historical context, or if there is, it’s often fallacious.)

Obama is far more sophisticated than Bush, more “polished.” By the time Obama appeared magically on the scene (“hand-picked” by the “invisible hand”?), the “War on Terror” (which I have always called a “War OF Terror”) was not going smoothly. Yes, we had captured and hanged our former ally, Saddam Hussein, (who, I believe, never would have troubled us if we had paid him off for his role in the Iraq-Iran war!)…, but, bin Laden was still on the loose and General Norman Schwarzkopf’s “cake-walk” in Iraq had metamorphosed into chaos throughout the Middle East. On top of all that, the US economy had gone down the chute of depression (euphemistically called, “The Great Recession).

Obama came along to put a pretty face on all of these disasters! He robotized the war–adding “drones” to his weekly assassination menu. Thanks to the “bail-outs” of major US banks and hedge funds, etc., the economy seemed to improve here (though under the veneer of improvement there are really terrible boils festering; boils likely to pop during the next Administration!) The American-English poet T. S. Eliot probably got our time just right when he wrote in “The Wasteland”:

“I think we are in rats’ alley, where the dead men lost their bones.”

MP: Is there anyone (presidential candidates) who can truly change America? If so, what’s your take on his/her policies?

Gary Corseri: I suppose Jill Stein could change things–if she were ever given a real chance…. Her ideas are fine: anti-war, anti-imperialist, “progressive” (in the best sense). How likely is such a person to get a fair shake in the US system as it is now organized? Our media is controlled by 6 corporations!

I recently heard (on the “Russia Today” news channel) Ray McGovern, a former operative at the CIA (actually, one of the head-honchos there), define a “neo-con” as someone who sees no space between the interests of the US and Israel!

I’d build on that! I’d say it’s the same for “neo-liberals”!

I’d say the old labels no longer apply, but the masses have not awakened to the true realities. (Given our media mish-mash and our awful educational standards, how could they awaken? They are supposed to remain in a “Pokémon-Go” state of constant anticipation…. But, for what? A virtual reality of “good guys” and “bad guys”… and, well, wake me when it’s over!)

MP: What’s your opinion about Bernie Sanders? Did he betray progressives by endorsing Hillary Clinton?

Gary Corseri: I held my breath about Bernie Sanders at the beginning. Okay, give the old guy a shot! I admired his gumption and stamina at 74! I agreed with a fair bit of what he was saying.

But, I thought he blundered right at the beginning by calling himself “a Democratic Socialist” in a nation where Socialism is equated with Communism which is equated with Tyranny and Totalitarianism. A lot of people could never get past that–especially people on the “Right” who might like Sanders’ support of insane US gun laws, but could never vote for a Socialist! So, I wondered: Why not just call himself a “Progressive” (much less bothersome to most Americans) and then carefully explain his “Progressive” policies?

That was a strategic error! A tactical error was his performance at the first Democratic primary debate, when he chivalrously (so it might have seemed!) declared, “To hell with the e-mails!” What the hell was that? I happen to agree with Trump on that one! Bernie threw too much away then! All he had to say was: “There is an investigation underway, and it would not be fair or judicious or prudent of me to comment upon that investigation until conclusions are reached and the facts are disclosed.”

So, yes, I think he did “betray” Progressives by endorsing Clinton. And… and perhaps he had no choice! We have no idea what kind of pressures are brought upon these candidates behind the scenes. This is hardly a “do-good,” “open” society. We live in an Age of Distractions–false premises, false promises.

Gary Corseri has published and posted articles, fiction and poems at hundreds of venues, including Counterpunch, The New York Times, Village Voice, Redbook Magazine, The Palestine Chronicle, and Georgia Review. He has published 2 novels and 2 collections of poetry, and his dramas have been produced on PBS-Atlanta and elsewhere. He has performed his poems at the Carter Presidential Library and Museum, and he has taught in universities in the US and Japan, and in US public schools and prisons. Contact: [email protected]

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  1. Which president was or is a bigger war criminal and genocidal mass murderer of millions of people across the world: Bush, Clinton or Obongo? Now, that’s the topic I’d like to see some analysis on. I am particulary interested in how many millions of people have each Murican presidente killed. I think that answer to that question should give as an answer to the first one as well.

  2. Rehmat says:

    I don’t understand why the so-called ‘Islam Press’ has to interview Gary Corseri who doesn’t know or speak about Islam or why Muslims have been replace into Jews in the West in the past?

    Gary Corseri is wrong about Saddam Hussein. He was put in power by the Anglo-American colonial powers to curb the emerging political Islam in the Arab world. They used him to destroy Islamic regime in Iran. After 8-year war when he failed to do so, Saddam became a liability to the western interests in the region. Saddam never asked financial aid from Washington as he was sitting on one of the richest economy in the region. He never threatened Israel or United States interests in the region.

    Osama Bin Laden, like Saddam Hussein was an American asset. He and his organization, the so-called ‘al-Qaeda’ was blamed for “masterminding” September 11, 2001 attack were used as smokescreen to protect the real criminals – American Zionists and Israeli Mossad.

    Ray McGovern is right about the American traitors with the US-Israel dual citizen, who are mostly Zionist Jews. Therefore, the right term for them is ‘Zion-Conservatives.

    YES, Jill Stein is not a ‘con-Zionist Jew’ like Bernie Sanders and she may try to change America’s foreign policy towards the Muslim world – but she has a ‘zero chance’ to enter the White House considering Israel being the KING-MAKER.

    If the Muslim Press really wants to know about how an American feels – it should interview ‘Mint Press’ founder Mnar Muhawesh, or far better professor Deepa Kumar….

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  3. There’s never any real contextualization in America! (Our “mainstream media” is mostly a joke, spouting the same-o same-o nonsense about “they hate us for our freedoms!”–as Cowboy Bush put it; and there’s almost no historical context, or if there is, it’s often fallacious.)

    True, and it’s largely due to the brainwashing we ‘Merkins get exposed to in schools with the results often seen in comments sections even here on UR, and here’s evidence for the claim.:

    I am pretty sure my activism cost me a couple of good teaching jobs. (We were supposed to be quiet! We were supposed to just teach Literature or Literary Criticism, etc.!).

    Upton Sinclair exposed the scam it back in the 1920s in his excellent “The Goosestep,” and “The Goslings.”

  4. Thank you for your comments, Khan and Rehmat. Frankly, Khan, I don’t think anyone could ever determine “which president is a bigger war criminal and genocidal mass murderer of millions…” Such an analysis would have to examine the origins and execution of every war America has fought–including, alas, our “Civil War,” in which 600,000 Americans died (the equivalent of 6 million today!). Also, as I state in my last answer “perhaps he had no choice! We have no idea what kind of pressures are brought upon these candidates behind the scenes. This is hardly a “do-good,” “open” society. We live in an Age of Distractions–false premises, false promises.” That’s specifically about our present crop of candidates. What about our presidents? Do you see the image above the article–the marionettes? I think that’s the way our “System” has worked from Washington’s time onward. Lincoln, himself, bemoaned the rising power of corporations. Wilson wrote about hidden forces. As I suggest in the interview, our presidents are “suits,” dressing according to the fashion of the times. We have no idea how they are “hemmed in” once in office–what actual dangers they face to their persons and to their families. Need I mention JFK’s bitter relations with our CIA and FBI?

    Rehmat, I’m not sure why Muslim Press chose to interview me! The journalist who contacted me wrote that he had read some of my articles and poems here and there and liked them a lot. Perhaps they wanted a different point of view–not specifically from a political analyst, a “political scientist,” but from someone who has tried in various ways, for decades, to understand this “Age of Distractions,” the passing show…. I agree with you that Saddam Hussein was “put in power…to curb the emerging political Islam in the Arab world,” though I suspect it was mostly recrudescent Iranian power about which the Anglo-American-Zionist Cartel was most concerned! After the terrible 8-year war between Iraq and Iran (comparable in various ways to the trench warfare and massive human, “over the hill” charges of WWI!) in which Iran lost 1 million lives, “victorious” Iraq, while still rich, had its resources severely depleted. No doubt Saddam’s army was restive, and he himself felt threatened. The “Cartel” and others restricted the flow of oil from Iraq and then gave Saddam a “green light” to invade Kuwait (in order to recoup some capital, pay off his troops, etc.) Our ambassador to Iraq–April Glasspie, if I recall her name–said “America does not get involved in disputes between Arab neighbors.” That, of course, was B.S. Saddam was our patsy–and he paid the price with a necktie made of rope.

  5. I think that’s the way our “System” has worked from Washington’s time onward.

    Actually, our “system” has always worked that way. The anti-federalists were 99.9% correct.

    Nock sums it up well, which is pretty typical of him.:

    The Constitution looked fairly good on paper, but it was not a popular document; people were suspicious of it, and suspicious of the enabling legislation that was being erected upon it. There was some ground for this. The Constitution had been laid down under unacceptable auspices; its history had been that of a coup d’état.

    It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests. Four-fifths of them were public creditors, one-third were land speculators, and one-fifth represented interests in shipping, manufacturing, and merchandising. Most of them were lawyers. Not one of them represented the interest of production — Vilescit origine tali.

    Albert Jay Nock [Excerpted from chapter 5 of Albert Jay Nock’s Jefferson, published in 1926]

  6. Durruti says:
    @Gary Corseri

    Gari Corseri,

    Nicely stated.

    We have been circulating the enclosed flier and others – similar for years.

    The Coup d’etat of November 22, 1963 was the first modern Arab Spring, and the most successful. It is nice that you have understood that.

    As former President Carter has said, America is no longer a Democracy.,d.eWE

    Enclosing our Flier for your perusal.

    Durruti, alias Peter J. Antonsen



    “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles…”

    The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson.

    We submit the following facts to the citizens of the United States.

    The government of the United States has been a Totalitarian Oligarchy since the military financial aristocracy destroyed the Democratic Republic on November 22, 1963, when they assassinated the last democratically elected president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and overthrew his government. All following governments have been unconstitutional frauds. Attempts by Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King to restore the Republic were interrupted by their murder.

    A subsequent 12 year colonial war against Vietnam, conducted by the murderers of Kennedy, left 2 million dead in a wake of napalm and burning villages.

    In 1965, the U.S. government orchestrated the slaughter of 1 million unarmed Indonesian civilians.

    In the decade that followed the CIA murdered 100,000 Native Americans in Guatemala.

    In the 1970s, the Oligarchy began the destruction and looting of America’s middle class, by encouraging the export of industry and jobs to parts of the world where workers were paid bare subsistence wages. The 2008, Bailout of the Nation’s Oligarchs cost American taxpayers $13trillion. The long decline of the local economy has led to the political decline of our hard working citizens, as well as the decay of cities, towns, and infrastructure, such as education.

    The impoverishment of America’s middle class has undermined the nation’s financial stability. Without a productive foundation, the government has accumulated a huge debt in excess of $19trillion. This debt will have to be paid, or suffered by future generations. Concurrently, the top 1% of the nation’s population has benefited enormously from the discomfiture of the rest. The interest rate has been reduced to 0, thereby slowly robbing millions of depositors of their savings, as their savings cannot stay even with the inflation rate.

    The government spends the declining national wealth on bloody and never ending military adventures, and is or has recently conducted unconstitutional wars against 9 nations. The Oligarchs maintain 700 military bases in 131 countries; they spend as much on military weapons of terror as the rest of the nations of the world combined. Tellingly, more than half the government budget is spent on the military and 16 associated secret agencies.

    The nightmare of a powerful centralized government crushing the rights of the people, so feared by the Founders of the United States, has become a reality. The government of Obama/Biden, as with previous administrations such as Bush/Cheney, and whoever is chosen in November 2016, operates a Gulag of dozens of concentration camps, where prisoners are denied trials, and routinely tortured. The Patriot Act and The National Defense Authorizations Act, enacted by both Democratic and Republican factions of the oligarchy, serve to establish a legal cover for their terror.

    The nation’s media is controlled, and, with the school systems, serve to brainwash the population; the people are intimidated and treated with contempt.

    The United States is No longer Sovereign

    The United States is no longer a sovereign nation. Its government, The Executive, and Congress, is bought, utterly owned and controlled by foreign and domestic wealthy Oligarchs, such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and Duponts, to name only a few of the best known.

    The 2016 Electoral Circus will anoint new actors to occupy the same Unconstitutional Government, with its controlling International Oligarchs. Clinton, Trump, whomever, are willing accomplices for imperialist international murder, and destruction of nations, including ours.

    For Love of Country

    The Restoration of the Republic will be a Revolutionary Act, that will cancel all previous debts owed to that unconstitutional regime and its business supporters. All debts, including Student Debts, will be canceled. Our citizens will begin, anew, with a clean slate.

    As American Founder, Thomas Jefferson wrote, in a letter to James Madison:

    “I set out on this ground, which I suppose to be self evident, ‘that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living’:”

    “Then I say the earth belongs to each of these generations, during it’s course, fully, and in their own right. The 2d. Generation receives it clear of the debts and incumberances of the 1st. The 3d of the 2d. and so on. For if the 1st. Could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not the living generation.”

    Our Citizens must restore the centrality of the constitution, establishing a less powerful government which will ensure President Franklin Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms, freedom of speech and expression, freedom to worship God in ones own way, freedom from want “which…means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peace time life for its inhabitants…” and freedom from fear “which…means a world-wide reduction of armaments…”

    Once restored: The Constitution will become, once again, the law of the land and of a free people. We will establish a government, hold elections, begin to direct traffic, arrest criminal politicians of the tyrannical oligarchy, and, in short, repair the damage of the previous totalitarian governments.

    For the Democratic Republic!
    Sons and Daughters of Liberty
    [email protected]

  7. Thanks for your fine insights (and Nock’s!), Jacues Sheete.

    I agree that our “Constitution” had serious–let’s say “grave”–origins and auspices from the beginning. While he had no part in the actual “drafting” of the Constitution, I think it’s safe to say Washington was a “presence” in the emerging “Republic” since he had first appeared, in full, resplendent military garb, at one of the early meetings (the first one?) of the Continental Congress. (And he was, of course, one of those “land speculators” Nock mentions.) Lines my mother quoted to me when I was a child (I believe from Sir Walter Scott) may, I believe, be applicable:

    “Oh what a crooked web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive.”

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  8. Thank you for your info, Durruti. I’ll look over the flier by day’s end. I’m sure we have various points of agreement…. Will try to get back to you by the end of the long weekend.

  9. Bernie was not a stalking horse for Hillary although he was used that way. He made an honest run at the presidency from within the system. Personally, I think the nomination was stolen from him. But it was known that Bernie would endorse Hillary when it was over. If he had been the real deal he would have gone Green (Jill Stein said she would step aside) and destroyed Hillary’s candidacy.

    I served in the U.S. Army under Johnson and briefly under Nixon. Nothing changed. I learned at an early age that the D’s and R’s were on the same page. I support Donald Trump. He is neither D nor R. Neither liberal nor conservative. Trump is a populist which is exactly what we need right now. Yes, Trump speaks of restricting Muslim immigration. But what Hillary wants to do is continue killing Muslims in the MENA. It should be an easy choice for Muslims.

    Ideologically I am obsolete. I identify with Ugene Debs and the workers of the world. But I am also an American and alarmed by the rise of the Police State and loss of the Bill of Rights. Hillary is an imperialist and a war monger in the mold of her three immediate predecessors. She will be a disaster for the U.S. and the planet earth. Her only real opposition is Donald Trump. It should be an easy choice for Americans.

    • Replies: @Outwest
  10. @Gary Corseri

    Do you see the image above the article–the marionettes? I think that’s the way our “System” has worked from Washington’s time onward. Lincoln, himself, bemoaned the rising power of corporations. Wilson wrote about hidden forces. As I suggest in the interview, our presidents are “suits,” dressing according to the fashion of the times.

    I am not an educated man. But that doesn’t stop me from citing Lincoln and Wilson as the principle enablers of the urge to American imperialism. Yet I know American presidents are overseers and not emperors. Were I to wish upon a star I would wish for a president who would, upon entering the oval office, report back to us and tell us EXACTLY what he finds there.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  11. @WorkingClass

    I am not an educated man.

    Actually, your comments indicate otherwise!

    Here’s an example:

    I learned at an early age that the D’s and R’s were on the same page.

    I know plenty of lawyers, businessmen, teachers, nurses and physicians who, despite their schooling, have yet to figure that out. They’re typically highly trained, but very poorly educated. What’s really sad is that they think because they’re “intelligent” and well schooled they’ve got a huge handle on things outside their fields. However, they are clueless as to their ignorance even when it’s pointed out to them.

    Nock elaborates on the concept, and Mises is a great resource for educating oneself:

    The American Mercury is another particularly great source of info. (Thank you Mr. Unz!)

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  12. Rehmat:

    I always learn from your clear spoken comments, but with The Muslim Press interview selection of Gary Corseri, they made a very wise one. By reading your insightful & brave comments, above, perhaps either Mnar Muhawesh or you might get a Muslim Press muezzin call for an interview? Either that or a Neo-Chekist knock-on-the-door?

    Without a New England accent, Gary Corseri spoke (like JFK once did) about “The Hidden Hand,” and insinuated that Obama did not simply “magically happen.” Prior to the end of W. Bush’s two scary terms as POTUS, the Mainstream Media pounded into American shock-treated heads the fact that “The Decider’s” popularity rating had sunk to < 40%.

    "The Hidden Hand" intelligently realized that an educated, well-spoken (black) Democrat would perform totally better than either "Bomb-Bomb-Iran McCain" or Mormon Romney to carry on what Mr. Corseri wisely called, "The War of Terror."

    Maybe a percentage of the Muslim Press and its readership has yet to learn that millions of common Americans know that Obama did not just "magically happen"? (America will never see a credible "Big 6" opinion poll taken on such an important issue as the total demo of US presidential elections, eh Rehmat?)

    I must go grocery shopping now, (my wife Carol is on my ass to do so), and I'll end by sharing the You Tube video, (below). Other readers can ponder Obama's usefulness to "The Hidden hand" and Gary Corseri's essential message on how the same "magical" hand manages to balance & control the next 2-POTUS candidate puppets in line.

    Thank you, Gary, Rehmat, and Unz University for all the Continuing Ed.

  13. @Gary Corseri

    ” I agree with you that Saddam Hussein was “put in power…to curb the emerging political Islam in the Arab world,” though I suspect it was mostly recrudescent Iranian power about which the Anglo-American-Zionist Cartel was most concerned!”

    The “recrudescent” Iranian power that both the West and USSR were worried about was Iran under the late Shah. Their expressions of worry started in early 70s with hysterical propaganda as fiction depicting Imperial Iranian Amry taking over the “Gulf” states. The Ayatollah Khomeini flew on a fucking AirFrance liner to Iran, for God’s sake. Get a clue.

  14. @Jacques Sheete

    Thank you for the kind words and the links. I do learn from strangers in comm boxes.

  15. Outwest says:

    We come from the same workshop place but end up with different views; But the powers that be and were are such that we’re both on the same side now. Bernie may be a bit old now. But he’s charismatic and can raise money. Maybe his better move would be to forget Washington and start an independent colony of believers, i.e. just do it. He could opt out of the government rule –we’ve done it here in Colorado with the FDA and drug regulation. Bernie could just do what he has in mind, like the Quakers and other such idealistic producers. It wouldn’t have to be utopian to be an improvement on the last 50 years.

    Even when America was productive you never found an actual product that said Produced in Washington D. C.

  16. Biff says:

    By the time Obama appeared magically on the scene (“hand-picked” by the “invisible hand”?)

    Robert Rubin?

  17. @Rehmat

    I see that Rose Wilder Lane was mentioned in the link. I’ve read a lot of her , and consider her a genius, but I was unaware of her views on Islam. I find that very interesting and will have to look it up.

    Thanks for the info!!

  18. Rehmat:

    I have a different opinion on the career of Saddam Hussein. A former-CIA agent, he helped harm Iraq more than anyone in the nation’s rather short history.

    Saddam invaded Kuwait with Ambassador Glaspie’s “go ahead,” and as Pat Buchanan stated, his armies ended up in a “turkey shoot” and were immediately buried by US bulldozers.

    Then the 10-years of western economic sanctions on Iraq, and according to the UN, the deaths of 500,000 children!

    Then of course the most heavily advertised war in history, Shock & Awe, April 2003! Deceptive words by US leaders on Hussein’s W.M.D.s scared the hell out of the West and once again, the Iraqi people mightily suffered and a brutal civil war started.

    As advertised by the MSM, Saddam was a very evil man and he sat at the top of W. Bush’s Axis of Evil. Consider for a moment, why would such a wealthy and allegedly evil guy try to hang out (underground) in Iraq? Given CIA training and about 20-“doubles,” one would think he’d quickly scram away (in disguise) & seek asylum in maybe at Crawford Ranch or the Catskills?

    Lastly, I do not believe it was actually Saddam Hussein who innocent US soldiers found down in a hole. So wacky was his trial & hanging and even Pope Benedict issued a protest against the televised barbarity.

    As great map redrawing is likely underway in the Middle East, “The “Hidden Hand” is probably occupied by looking at particular resumes, the ones which best reflect the dictatorial services once performed by Saddam Hussein. Thank you for listening , Rehmat!

  19. Rehmat:

    Too much real life going on in N.E. Pennsylvania, & I missed making a major point about Saddam’s anti-rule of Iraq.

    Added to his “Judas Goat” credentials is the terrible 10-year war with the Islamic Republic of Iran. This quarrel was quite pitiful to even talk about, and The Reagan administration was militarily supporting both sides.

    Again, & although he’s widely considered DEAD and a major supporter of Palestinian suicide bombers, I do not believe Americans have heard “The Rest of the Saddam Story. ” (The late- Andy Rooney used to say the latter phrase on TV’s “60 Minutes”) Thank you!

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  20. gdpbull says:

    “General Norman Schwarzkopf’s “cake-walk” in Iraq had metamorphosed into chaos throughout the Middle East.”

    Could you have meant General Tommy Franks? Schwarzkopf was the general for the 1991 war when Iraq invaded Kuwait. He retired shortly after that 1st Gulf war. His objective (to liberate Kuwait) was quick and was sort of a cakewalk. And then Bush I wisely said that was it, now its time to leave. Or did you mean that it all kind of began back then?

  21. Rehmat says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Correction dear …..

    The Western-Iraq invasion of Islamic Republic lasted for eight years. When Iran was winning the war finally, America killed 290 civilian in air to force Tehran to accept a ceasefire.

    On July 3, 1988, Iranian passenger Flight 655 was destroyed in air by two SM-2MR deadly missiles fired from the USS Vincennes – killing all 290 on board including 66 children and 16 crew.

    Commanded by Captain William C. Rogers III, who under directions from the Pentagon, committed this terrorist attack to force Tehran to accept a ceasefire with Saddam Hussein’s forces which were losing the 8-year US-Israel proxy war against the newly established Islamic Republic.

    As usual, Washington tried to whitewash its crimes against Iran. The Hollywood actor in the White House, Ronald Reagan issued a statement calling the incident “a terrible human tragedy”, but justified the state terrorism “a proper defense action by the USS Vincennes” after the “aircraft failed to heed repeated warnings”. Flight 655 was shot while flying over international waters.

    Admiral William J. Crowe, the CJCS, added another lie in support of president Reagan’s story. He claimed that Rogers III mistook the Iranian aircraft (A-300 Airbus) to be Iranian Air Force F-14 which was going to attack USS Vincennes. Looking at the pictures of both F-14 and A-300 at the top of this post show that these anti-Iran Zionists were lying from both sides of their mouths.

    The record shows that the decision to fire was taken more or less calmly and deliberately on the basis of personal advice passed from junior officers to the senior AAWC, and from the AAWC to the CO–in the face of a stream of contrary evidence from the electronics aboard.

    While issuing notes of regret over the loss of human life, the US government has, to date, neither admitted any wrongdoing or responsibility in this tragedy, nor apologized, but continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the incident. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Commander Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, even won the navy’s Commendation Medal for “heroic achievement”, his “ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire” having enabled him to “quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure.” According to a 23 April 1990 article printed in The Washington Post, the Legion of Merit was presented to Captain Rogers and Lieutenant Commander Lustig for their performance in the Persian Gulf on 3 July 1988. The citations did not mention the downing of the Iran Air flight at all.

  22. Dear Rehmat:

    Looks like you might have missed my initial comment speculating upon Saddam’s “Judas Goat” role in the killing of his “beloved” country, Iraq?

    Otherwise thanks for the depressing information on Commander Lustig & Captain Rogers, the decorated officers of the Vincennes. I wonder if the Israeli pilots who attacked the USS Liberty & took American sailor lives were secretly commended for their action “in the line of duty”? Thank you very much.

  23. Rehmat and Charles Orloski,

    I’m much obliged for your informative, excellent comments above.

    I was very happy to be contacted initially by Mohammad Homaeefar to do this interview. I know that many Americans, who do not advance themselves beyond the mass-media memes and myths, have little understanding, and very biased views, of Iran–its people and its history. So, I was glad to have an opportunity to showcase the work of a principled Iranian journalist, working at a first-rate website there. I hoped that a discussion between Mohammad and me might “springboard” into deeper inquiries and more encompassing perspectives. My thanks to the Unz Review and its thoughtful readers for fulfilling that hope.

    The above discussion of the 1988 “downing of Iranian passenger Flight 655… destroyed in air by two SM-2MR deadly missiles fired from the USS Vincennes – killing all 290 on board including 66 children and 16 crew…” merits our closest scrutiny. In America’s media-education-culture complex, few people get beyond the memes and myths. Few know anything about wretched Anglo-American meddling in Iran in the 20th Century, the CIA overthrow of President Mossadegh in 1952, US support for the dictatorial “Shah,” the legitimate Iranian “anti-Americanism” that led to the “hostage crisis” of the 1970s, the background and horrors of the Iran-Iraq war, continued US and Israeli meddling, etc. If a couple of windows of inquiry have been opened, let us now hope for more light, better air and deeper understanding.

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