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Earlier by F. Roger Devlin: Charles Murray’s FACING REALITY: Ruling Class Must Accept Race Differences—Or Provoke The “Disaster” Of White Identity Politics

Charles Murray (The Bell Curve, Coming Apart, Human Diversity) is rightly bitter about the disgraceful shut-out of his latest book Facing Reality: Two Truths About Race from the current U.S. and international debate—actually, dogma—about “systemic racism.” But what this shutout shows is that what John Derbyshire has called a “Murraytopia”— “people accept reality, including the reality of race differences, and social advancement is strictly meritocratic”—is impossible. And, more immediately, it shows that “Murrayism”—trying reasonably to discuss racial differences while making many concessions to the anti-science Left and suppressing Politically Incorrect science that goes further—has failed. Now what?

Murray laid out his disillusionment and despair in a Twitter thread this summer:

Perhaps indicative of this despair, Murray has petulantly refused to review Kathryn Paige Harden’s disingenuous attempt to make genetics palatable to progressives, The Genetic Lottery, because she used him —again disgracefully—as a strawman:

This is ironic because both Harden and Murray indulge in what I call “bravery signalling.” Thus Murray engages with the Great Taboo, but ignores scientific explorations of race differences that go even further, such as by showing that these race differences in IQ are almost certainly genetic (which I discussed in my own book Making Sense of Race). I have earlier argued this was the case with his Human Diversity [Bravery Signaling, Geopol.institute, February 16, 2020].

“Bravery signalling” means you avoid the furore that might be caused by really engaging with the Great Taboo. In doing so, you hope to gain the support of “moderates” and thus more easily influence the national conversation.

Murray has explicitly admitted this:

But, as Razib Khan has pointed out, unlike in the case of The Bell Curve in 1994, mainstream newspapers are still not even prepared to review Murray’s book.

Written in response to the American anarchy of 2020-1, brought about by the death of George Floyd, Black Lives Matter and the disputed presidential election, Murray’s essay was a call—albeit delivered calmly and with reference to persuasive data—to a return to an America of individuals in which all Americans have equal rights and are judged as individuals.

Murray argues that this really is the founding creed of the United States, which Martin Luther King successfully argued should be fully extended to all African-Americans: that all Americans should be treated as individuals, rather than as manifestations of their race or class, and should be permitted to flourish, or not flourish, accordingly.

In Facing Reality, Murray charts that way in which this, from his perspective, noble idea has been gradually distorted such that Americans now live in a kind of fairground mirror version of the Jim Crow Deep South—although, needless to say, he does not put it in these terms.

Now, the prevailing ideology appears to be that White people should be discriminated against in law in order to atone for the wrongs historically done to American black people by white people. And black people should have, in effect, privileges—in education, in employment and in much else—because their ancestors, or simply people that looked like them, experienced slavery and discrimination at the hands of white people.

Murray spells this situation out very well. He notes that it is rationalized by the claim that racial differences in economic outcomes, or even in crime rates, are entirely the result of environmental factors and in particular of “systemic racism” at the hands of whites.

But Murray proves, as patiently as anyone can, that this is simply not the case. He looks at the issue of “intelligence” and the most reasonable definition of it, refutes the criticisms of IQ tests in detail including the argument that they are racially biased, and then shows that there exist mean race differences in average IQ scores, and that IQ is a highly significant factor behind socioeconomic status.

Not only that, but the more complex the job, the higher the average IQ required. This being so, he proves that the lack equal racial outcomes does not imply “systemic racism” or “white privilege.” It just happens if you treat people as individuals.

Murray then turns to the idea that “police are racist against black people.” He demonstrates that is untrue. Black people commit far more crime, per capita, than white people and, in particular, serious crimes such as robberies and murders. If anything, Murray shows, it is whites who are arrested at a higher rate than they should be based on race differences based on per capita race difference in criminality.

Thus, these two “facts” are cogently presented and two Leftist myths are comprehensively refuted.

Murray concludes by arguing that the current situation—in which white people are legally discriminated against—is in new danger to the America in which “All men are created equal.” He claims it is likely to result, and is resulting in, a gradual white backlash in which white people—just as black people have been doing, especially since the Civil Rights Era—start to create a strong sense that their identity and interests are based around being “white” and that they must stand up for themselves as white people. Murray believes that if this happens again, with the Republican Party becoming the de facto white party and whites decreasingly trusting the government, it will potentially be the end for America’s Founding Ideals.

My view: Murray’s book is about 40 years too late. America is already too divided, too low in trust, too angry; too emotional. As VDARE.com has reported, America is extremely polarized, to extent that it was on the eve of the Civil War. Over a quarter of white evangelicals are firm believers in Q-Anon and thus regard the US government as literally Satanic [How QAnon captured the American church, by Oliver Wiseman, Unherd, June 16, 2021]. Conversely, although less widely reported, extraordinary numbers of Democrats believe Russia actually hacked voting machines in 2016 to install Donald Trump as President[ALTERNATE REALITY: 58 Percent Of Dems Think Russia Rigged Vote Count To Get Trump Elected, by Peter Hasson, Daily Caller, May 31, 2017].

Murray’s book is clear, concise, and well-argued. But I’m not really sure who he was trying to convince. It’s not for people like me, or VDARE.com readers. It’s not even for most conservatives: they know these things even if they are careful not to discuss them, let alone review books that discuss them.

Does Murray feel that there is a new generation—Generation Z—a portion of whom have been inculcated with Woke ideas, but are intelligent and questioning enough to be dissuaded of them, and have an insufficient attention span to read The Bell Curve?

If so, then it could be argued that by presenting his argument in a dry style, with little anecdote, Murray is making a point of not patronizing these people; of treating them as intellectual equals and hoping that they’ll appreciate it. But shouldn’t the book more clearly aimed at them in particular?

Why has Murrayism failed? As I have noted in my book At Our Wits’ End: Why We’re Becoming Less Intelligent and What It Means for Future, America shows every sign of being in the Winter of Civilization. Once you are questioning all the old ways, mocking your civic religion, riven by ethnic diversity and its inherent conflicts, utterly polarized, and effectively taken over by foreigners whose ancestors did not found the nation, there is no going back.

America is too far gone. It is “Coming Apart”—at breakneck speed.

Edward Dutton (email him | Tweet him) is Professor of Evolutionary Psychology at Asbiro University, Łódź, Poland. You can see him on his Jolly Heretic video channels on YouTube and Bitchute.

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  1. Absolutely correct. America is done for.

  2. Murray concludes by arguing that the current situation—in which white people are legally discriminated against—is in new danger to the America in which “All men are created equal.” He claims it is likely to result, and is resulting in, a gradual white backlash in which white people … start to create a strong sense that their identity and interests are based around being “white” and that they must stand up for themselves as white people.

    For Murray and the “woke” left, white people identifying with their race and looking out for their own interests is a problem. It goes against the grain of 1950s and 1960s mass-produced liberalism that sees social progress in racial color-blindness. Many wish that idea had worked as it was supposed to; some of us recognize that it overwhelmingly hasn’t.

    Charles Murray is a thoughtful but tragic figure. A man who collects no end of data that show human biodiversity accounts for most racial division and conflict, and presents his findings clearly, he just can’t accept the consequences and argue for a realistic response.

    Of course the mainstream media ignoring his book is typical of their corruption. Did Murray actually expect to get a fair hearing? If so that itself suggests how much he still leases space in an ivory tower.

  3. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    So, Murray thinks that discrimination against whites will lead to a sense of racial solidarity and unity among whites that will — somehow — cause the end of the founding ideals of America (which was specifically intended by the Founders to be a white nation per the Citizenship Act of 1790)?

    Murray wants a nation based on ideals that only whites — by themselves — can create and maintain, but at the same time, he wants multiracialism and multiculturalism. His prescription is self-defeating. He is just another “conservative” conserving nothing.

    And it should go without saying that an America based on the Founders’ ideals is impossible if Jews have significant power and influence. The “chosen people” always try to take over. And they have a special grudge against Christians and whites: See John 8:44 and the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D.

  4. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage-the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. ” Ayn Rand

    Regards, onebornfree

  5. big daddy says:

    Murray lives in the real world of fact. Collectivists have all their answers and they are wrong. Unfortunately collectivists always seek to force everybody to obey collectivist fantasies which destroy society.

    Things look bleak.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  6. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    “Murray argues that this really is the founding creed of the United States, which Martin Luther King successfully argued should be fully extended to all African-Americans: that all Americans should be treated as individuals, rather than as manifestations of their race or class, and should be permitted to flourish, or not flourish, accordingly.”

    Regression to the mean is why people should not be judged or treated only as individuals, but as members of their race and class. This obsession with individualism is one of the root ideological causes of the collapse of the West.

    • Replies: @Tucker
    , @AndrewR
  7. Murray must be completely unaware that Jews exist or that they were behind such things as communism, usury, the 1965 immigration act, the federal reserve act, feminism, the NWO, or any of the hundred other crimes against humanity that resulted in Murray’s experience with a ruined civilization.

  8. @onebornfree

    “The individual is weak and vulnerable; the tribe is strong and war-ready.” Human History

    Charles Murray lives in an 83% white Maryland suburb with a \$675,000 admission fee. Whites who don’t have those advantages will form tribes; this is inevitable.

    • Agree: Thim
    • Disagree: Drapetomaniac
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  9. @onebornfree

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage-the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. ” Ayn Rand

    Regards, onebornfree

    Intellectual and character traits are biology which means they are in fact body chemistry.

    Libertarianism is tied to biology denial just as much as liberalism.

    This is because Rand knew the whole thing falls apart when you allow for race. Suddenly it’s not such a wise idea to bring in millions of third world individualists if traits for first world living standards are not distributed equally.

    You might as well quote Lysenko. Genes for creativity, self-control, aggression and empathy have already been identified. Those are character traits so stop wasting our time with Rand’s gene denial. She is just trying to sucker her readers into a globalist plan.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Rahan
  10. @Etruscan Film Star

    Of course the mainstream media ignoring his book is typical of their corruption. Did Murray actually expect to get a fair hearing? If so that itself suggests how much he still leases space in an ivory tower.

    I said a long time ago that Murray is wasting his time because of the ivory tower. It fact it seemed bizarre to me that he has been in the college system and thinks anything related to race will be studied honestly.

    College professors already know that race exists. They don’t need charts and graphs to tell them. They see it all the time in the classroom and it drives them mad.

    If they really thought that race didn’t exist then they would welcome the Murrays of the world. If you are confident that A = B then you would not just accept criticism but welcome anyone that seeks to disprove it. That is actually how it is supposed to work but any type of study related to race goes through the social sciences where critical theory suppresses the opposition. The Frankfurt school created a protection system because they correctly assessed that if race is studied objectively then the left will lose.

    Liberals aren’t as naive as Murray seems to assume. They didn’t reach their conclusions from a lack of information. They have all reached the same conclusion which is that race exists and we must lie to the public for their own good.

    Of course they don’t care about his books. I’m honestly surprised that no one pulled him aside and said we already know. Liberal professors would rather hang themselves than admit that race exists. Their political narratives are all built around theories of Whites ruining everything. What would they have left? We are talking decades and decades of collective work thrown in the garbage.

    What Murray should do is bypass the colleges and write about corruption in the social sciences and the Frankfurt school. Go directly to the people and stop trying to convince what is really a league of liars.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, W
  11. @big daddy

    Murray lives in the real world of fact. Collectivists have all their answers and they are wrong. Unfortunately collectivists always seek to force everybody to obey collectivist fantasies which destroy society.

    Well technically it was Murray that tried appealing to the establishment collective by swearing he wasn’t like those other Whites. He wanted to be accepted as part of the collective.

    In his mind the establishment would embrace racial realism in policy while maintaining existing multi-racial ideals. But that means admitting they have been lying this entire time and unfairly blaming Whites for inequality while demanding that Whites submit to programs that work against them. Why would Whites continue to submit to the system if they find out it is based on lies?

    Of course it is much easier and safer to just ignore Murray and continue business as usual.

    There is nothing wrong with working collectively. White people have been duped into believing otherwise and both conservatives and liberals become terrified when asked why some racial groups can work collectively but others can’t.

  12. Vinnie O says:

    I was reminded again of the “New Jersey Expressway Speeding Tickets” thing. There were complaints (from New York Black folks passing through New Jersey) that People of Color were being stopped and ticketed by New Jersey cops more often than White drivers. A review quickly demonstrated that this was TRUE, but then New Jersey staged a series of tests wherein actors were PAID to exceed the posted limits. And it turned out that the New Jersey cops did in fact pull over and ticket ANYONE, regard less of skin tone, who exceeded the posted limit or violated other basic highway laws (e.g., changing lanes without signalling).

    But what the tests more clearly showed was that Black Drivers ROUTINELY violated New Jersey traffic laws more frequently than other races. The early tests where WIDELY condemned as Racist, but EVERY subsequent test came back with the same result: Black Drivers speed. This was tested and confirmed so many times that courts won’t even accept the argument any more. But of course to bring up FACTS is to demonstrate that YOU are a Racist.

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
    , @Peter Johnson
  13. Dutton is absolutely right. The issues that should be under discussion are far beyond Murray. Society is collapsing because of (1) declining intelligence and the resulting (2) destruction of our financial system through promiscuous money printing and (3) absolute failure to reproduce ourselves either in number or in kind.

    The topic to be discussed is how to survive and rebuild after the coming cataclysm. It is gene pools, not individuals, that survive events such as the upcoming catastrophe. How and why will our genome survive? That’s a question that transcends political and economic systems.

  14. @Vinnie O

    That happened under Obama’s DOJ. He initially wanted studies like this done in several States. But upon looking at the NJ (R- Christie Governor, his initial GOP target) conclusions, Obama immediately called his dog Holder off and canceled any additional investigations into alleged racism.

  15. @onebornfree

    Ayn Rand seems to have reduced every issue to collectivism is bad, as in this quote. Did she ever even hint that questions about the best form of society are complicated?

    Ms. Rand had some valuable insights, but this isn’t one of them.

    • Replies: @james wilson
  16. @Forgotton_name

    Murray must be completely unaware that Jews exist …

    He was raised in some all-American state (Iowa? Nebraska?) and to this day has probably had little contact with Jews other than college professors.

  17. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Charles Murray lives in an 83% white Maryland suburb with a \$675,000 admission fee.”

    Lol, you moved from Georgia to Virginia, from what I pieced together, and are a lawyer whose wife is a public school teacher (referred to many here unfortunately on this fine opinion webzine as a pig whose snout is in taxpayer trough). I would imagine you are doing quite well financially as an elitist couple, you hypocrite.

    “Whites who don’t have those advantages will form tribes; this is inevitable.”

    What tribe do you belong to—the Alexandria Supper Club, complete with squatty Guatemalans at your beck and call?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  18. And, more immediately, it shows that “Murrayism”—trying reasonably to discuss racial differences while making many concessions to the anti-science Left and suppressing Politically Incorrect science that goes further—has failed. Now what?

    That is a really good question.

    I think what has also failed is the theory that the left is unaware of racial differences and just needs to be educated.

    That is the basis that leads Murrayism into futility.

    This idea that some liberal professor making 6 figures teaching egalitarian fiction just needs one more spreadsheet of data and she will reverse course. I really don’t see how Murray ever thought that was possible if he has been around college professors.

    We are not dealing with fair minded thinkers. The social sciences are a liberal collective that is paid by the establishment to lie about race. Even most conservatives in DC support telling lies for the sake of social stability. They are correctly afraid that Whites may backlash after finding out their education system has been lying to them. Conservatives fear Whites losing faith in racial egalitarianism and then moving on to question everything else. Both sides prefer lies for stability and want everyone to work and then go watch TV. They don’t want rabble rouser Whites asking big questions.

    I honestly never took Murray seriously because I never could decide if he was that naive or knew the score and just wanted to sell books. Well judging by his tweets it looks like the former.

    It puzzles me as to how he seems unaware of the overwhelming bias that exists. Early on in college I caught a liberal professor cheating the White students which quickly ended any trust I had in the system. Maybe it was ultimately to my benefit as I stopped assuming that liberals had some basic level of principles.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Miro23
  19. @Corvinus

    You’re an idiot. Not even wrong.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @vinteuil
    , @vinteuil
  20. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    All your lies are belong to us.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  21. Bill says:
    @onebornfree

    Gold medal in the unintentional self-parody olympics.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  22. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Crummy editing. Had to quit in the middle.

  23. @onebornfree

    the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry

    Which is why terminal sig-fagger OneBF plans to marry a raccoon. Or a railway tie. Or a Pop-tart wrapper. Musn’t be a ‘collectivist’. BTW, isn’t a family collectivist? Rand’s NYC cult was collectivist.

    I’m starting a collective to mute all sig fags. We will triumph in the war against sig-faggotry. With SF’s trounced, perhaps Ayn Rand’s true legacy will emerge unobscured, untwisted.

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  24. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Bill

    Yet another pissed off collectivist response to the super incisive, “let’s cut to the chase”, Rand quote I posted. She shoots, she scores! Oh what fun! 😜

    “Regards”onebornfree

  25. Às a counter-argument, isn’t it possible that Murrayism with seep out into the conventional wisdom, slowly over time? The long-run “power of the pen” will eventually triumph?

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    , @Goddard
  26. @Vinnie O

    You have described the findings correctly (Black motorists receive more speeding tickets because they speed more) but not the data collection method. The study used speed cameras with linked photo cameras, and then identified motorists in the cars (independently by “blind” data gatherers looking at the photos) as Black, White, Hispanic, or other. This method allowed for massive data collection with no possibility of racial bias. The study was hushed up since it reached the politically “wrong” but factually true conclusion.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/27/nj.speeding.study/index.html

  27. onebornfree says: • Website
    @schnellandine

    “The question of whether one alleges the Superiority or Inferiority of any given race is irrelevant; racism has only one psychological root: the racist’s sense of his own Inferiority.”
    Ayn Rand

    “Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals.”
    Ron Paul

    “Regards” onebornfree

  28. @onebornfree

    Are you still quoting Rand?

    Numerous genes have been associated with self-control:
    https://neurosciencenews.com/genetics-behavior-addiction-19198/

    Empathy is highly heritable
    https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/is_your_empathy_determined_by_your_genes

    Genes for aggression were identified over a decade ago
    https://www.tutor2u.net/psychology/reference/aggression-genetic-factors

    So yes character traits are tied to body chemistry which means Rand was wrong.

    Not sure why you continue a follow a psychopathic woman who denied that basic genetics apply to human. Might as well follow Lysenko. Of course she knew the truth but her ideology falls apart once you allow for race.

    She also believed that Israeli Jews were free to act as a collectivist group cause that’s different. Here she is calling Arabs primitive savages:

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/10/10/flashback-clip-of-ayn-rand-boldly-calling-arabs-savages-watch-host-phil-donahue-tear-into-her-262155/comment-page-1/

    Take your legal crack/open borders cult somewhere else. We all know the message of that gene denying hypocrite. This was a good article and you are spamming it with Rand quotes.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  29. onebornfree says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    “Take your legal crack/open borders cult somewhere else. We all know the message of that gene denying hypocrite. This was a good article and you are spamming it with Rand quotes” 😆😂😜😄

    She shoots, she scores!

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @GenFranco
  30. @onebornfree

    The intellectual vacancy of career plunderer Ron ‘Thou shalt not plunder’ Paul has been noted at UR before.

    Libertarianism is concerned solely with whether an act is the initiation of force. Because racism does not entail the initiation of force, but rather freedom of association, it is of no concern for infantile principle-bereft sig-fags on the ‘I’m better than you’ warpath. Ron Paul, your hero, is such a political whore that he attempted through vague damnation-by-association to corral freedom of association into an act prohibited under libertarian ethics. It is not. It cannot be.

    You despise liberty, apparently, for freedom to dislike trends one has noticed, and their generally associated participants, is 100% covered under peaceable mutual liberty. Ultimately, your ‘libertarian’ dogma is one which forces a man to associate with a race he finds objectionable. Therefore, you are not a libertarian, but an authoritarian.

    BTW, I knew Ron Paul probably while you were still pulling on the teat. Until he removed his balls to head out on the ‘campaign trail’ and subsequently disavow his own newsletters, he was vocal and clear on his opinion of the so-called ‘Civil Rights Act’. He said it was wrong to force free men to associate with those they found not to their liking, and should not have been passed. There’s a saying you can shove.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  31. onebornfree says: • Website
    @schnellandine

    “You despise liberty, apparently, for freedom to dislike trends one has noticed, and their generally associated participants, is 100% covered under peaceable mutual liberty. Ultimately, your ‘libertarian’ dogma is one which forces a man to associate with a race he finds objectionable.”

    One thing for sure you reveal. You have a hell of a “talent” for making totally unproven( and unprovable), idiotic assumptions about me and my beliefs, based on a couple of quotes by others that I posted in this thread. Keep it up, I need my entertainment.😎

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  32. @onebornfree

    based on a couple of quotes by others that I posted

    You’ve been bapping keys here since the end of 2018, and I’ve read many of your posts—until they became so ridiculously predictable it became pointless insofar as figuring out how full of it you are. Did you think you were ‘publishing’ in private? You are a broken record regarding the criminality of the state. When one of your bugbears is tweaked, however, you become a yardstick-wielding kindergarten spinster.

    I’ve been reading posts here since ~2015, so you’re no stranger. Consider posting less if you don’t want people to know what you’re up to. Or, post less regardless. There might be only one thing more forum-faggoty than sig-fagging, and that’s pretending to refute by pasting quotes, alleged or otherwise. You refute nothing.

    Now say something evasively whimsical, sigfag.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @onebornfree
  33. @onebornfree

    Yes we can see that you are unable to face her blatant hypocrisy and just let Rand do the thinking for you by quoting her.

    You don’t even sign your name properly. There is no reason to quote regards.

    It’s a standard salutation. Like this:

    Regards,

    A complete tool of the libertarian movement.

  34. onebornfree says: • Website
    @schnellandine

    You have the option to completely ignore all of my posts, or is that ability too far above your intelligence level?

    “Regards” onebornfree

  35. It’s not races that are dispositive, it is tribes.

    The tribe of the educated class is the entire global community of educated people.

    The tribe of the ordinary middle class is the nation.

    The tribe of the lower class is the racial or ethnic group.

    Our politics is defined by the decision of the educated class to be the noble protectors of the lower class. Because Nazi Carl Schmitt says that politics is always about friend vs. enemy this means that the ordinary middle class must be the enemy of the educated class. Because in politics there must be an enemy.

  36. onebornfree says: • Website
    @schnellandine

    “…. I’ve read many of your posts—until they became so ridiculously predictable it became pointless…….You are a broken record regarding the criminality of the state.”

    Yes, you’re right, and I fully, gladly admit that. I’m “broken record regarding the criminality of the state.”

    So what? I’m proud of it. 😎

    Every article I’ve ever read at this site, except for (possibly) a few movie reviews, is either an open, “in yer face” paen to the state, regardless of whether it’s author is “left”, or “right”, or a vaguely concealed paen to the state.

    In both instances ( “in yer face or vaguely concealed), the author (left or right), inevitably complains about what the state has done, but then, out of the other side of his or her mouth they then fantasize about a state enforced solution to the very thing caused by the state that they’re now complaining about.😆

    If you’re going to talk about “broken records”, then the Unz review far outstrips anything I have had to say here.

    So, quite naturally I’m going to post something along the lines of:

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    …or perhaps:

    Government doesn’t work” Harry Browne
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    As I said before, if you’re sick of my posts, simply ignore them all. Myself, I’m sick of all the worship/ idolization of the state here, and plan to keep on keeping on with my boring repetitive posts pointing out the inherent, unchangeable criminal nature of all states past present and future. So get used to it😎

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Drapetomaniac
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  37. @onebornfree

    Your libertarian cult is going down.

    Somalia and Haiti have had decades to become “free market” models for the world and the opposite has happened. They are complete sh-tholes and the people can only dream of living in a “big government” country like the US.

    There just isn’t room for an ideology that combines minimal government and race denial. Both theories have massive logic holes.

    People only like the libertarian theory when they first hear about it and think it is about basic freedoms. Then later they find out the rest which is that it is a group of nutcases that would actually let every Haitian and Somalian come here because Rand said it would be collectivist if we didn’t. If that isn’t bad enough the same libertarians think those Haitians should be able to buy a m249 at Wal-mart.

    The more people hear the full truth about the libertarian party the less they want anything to do with it. It’s a terrible base of ideas that cannot be saved.

    Give off the sinking ship while you can.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  38. onebornfree says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    “There just isn’t room for an ideology that combines minimal government and race denial. Both theories have massive logic holes.”

    And so…..: Mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint! 😂😄😆

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Regards” onebornfree

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  39. Murray is a good man. He is the equivalent of an anti-biotic for a life threatening infection. Not the wrong antibiotic but too weak to cure and remove and pathogen/parasite.

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  40. @onebornfree

    Right.

    You just keep telling people that we should remove all pollution controls and bring in millions of third worlders. Be sure to tell them that auto and plane safety requirements are bad idea because people came up with them and used the government to implement them. Yes the libertarian party actually opposes Federal safety standards for airplanes. We are just supposed to trust multi-national corporations to do the right thing. Rand hath spoken.

    The Libertarian party polled 1.2% in the 2021 presidential election. That is half of what they had in 2016.

    Your cult is losing and quoting Rand isn’t going to save it.

    Oh and H.L. Mencken was privately pro-Nazi and hated Jews which was revealed in his diary. So probably shouldn’t quote him in support of libertarian politics just because he wrote a few one liners that criticized the government. Research it yourself.

  41. onebornfree says: • Website

    “You just keep telling people that we should remove all pollution controls and bring in millions of third worlders. Be sure to tell them that auto and plane safety requirements are bad idea because people came up with them and used the government to implement them. Yes the libertarian party actually opposes Federal safety standards for airplanes. ”

    This “just” in:

    Government solutions never work. Never have, never will. The government is not going to protect you from crack cocaine, illegal immigrants, black people, Covid-19, faulty aircraft design, environmental pollution, nor from anything else that scares/worries you.

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Government doesn’t work” Harry Browne
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    “Regards”, onebornfree

  42. Government solutions never work. Never have, never will. The government is not going to protect you from crack cocaine, illegal immigrants, black people, Covid-19, faulty aircraft design, environmental pollution, nor from anything else that scares/worries you.

    Do you not read the news? The government grounded the 737 because of a design flaw that Boeing tried to cover up. So more 737s would have gone into the ocean if not for government regulation.

    This is the problem with libertarianism. You are required to attach yourself to these ridiculous extremes of the government can never do anything for the people and then a simple example makes you look like a complete ass.

    Delude yourself all you want but in open debate the libertarian position is weak and not at all rational. This is what happens when you sign up for an ideology from a bitter psychopath and hypocrite. Rand called Arabs savages and wanted the Israeli government to keep them out which goes against her own preachings. So your own wench obviously believed in the utility of the government when it comes to keeping out Arabs. She just wanted minions like yourself to support open borders for US/EU but not Israel.

    As with all libertarians you don’t want to talk about Rand and Israel. You just like her feel-good quotes about government and don’t actually want to think critically about any of this. This is exactly like liberalism where no one is actually thinking. It’s all feel-good reality avoidance.

  43. Gd says:

    Why didn’t Ayn Rand write under her real name

  44. Tom F. says:

    Finished ‘Facing Reality’ last night. Quick read, 125 pages. All the data is there, plus some anecdotal conversations Murray has had to endure which demonstrate the futility of ‘facts don’t care about your feelings.’

    SPOILER ALERT: Murray’s suggested solution is to remove Affirmative Action, which he correctly states has led to 60 years of toxicity and resentment. He also notes that government jobs disproportionately are filled with minorities, women, and whatever else can fit themselves into AA.

    Unfortunately, there is no mention of the ongoing white version of Affirmative Action, which includes nepotism, strategic donations, etc.

    I’m ‘facing reality’ as I have all my life, and my conclusion is to avoid the ‘groid, and this subject. But thanks to Murray for trying, I suppose.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
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    , @JackOH
  45. Tom F. says:
    @Tom F.

  46. Written in response to the American anarchy of 2020-1, brought about by the death of George Floyd, Black Lives Matter and the disputed presidential election, Murray’s essay was a call—albeit delivered calmly and with reference to persuasive data—to a return to an America of individuals in which all Americans have equal rights and are judged as individuals.

    Was that ever the case? I don’t think so. Everybody may not be for sale, but enough are that an army of lawyer politicians can be assembled to take control of the country and mold it into whatever they want.

    Now, who has enough money to buy the politicians of both parties? To get them elected. To get them tossed out if they stray from the party line.

    Say the secret word and win twenty five dollars. (But not out loud.)

    • Replies: @Automatic Slim
  47. JimDandy says:

    WHAT?!!!!!! Charles Murray’s new book didn’t totally change the conversation about race?!!!!

  48. @John Johnson

    So more 737s would have gone into the ocean if not for government regulation.

    …the same 737s approved by ‘government regulation’. Damn, but you love the state; even its most embarrassing failures are strengths.

    BTW, that whole MCAS disaster was prompted by an arguably unsafe federal requirement for back pressure approaching and in a wing stall (14 CFR § 25.203). Far as we know, federal ‘regulation’ triggered the 737 murders. And your conclusion:

    This is the problem with libertarianism.

    Of course! ROFLMAO

    So back to Rand…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  49. @John Johnson

    Superbly argued John that ridiculous bot was long overdue for a righteous asskicking.

    Thanks.

  50. @onebornfree

    Rand’s Communist collectivists in the Soviet Union enforced color blindness across its empire of twelve time zones as well as anti-racism protocols in all Socialist development programs and attacked 1960s America for its treatment of blacks and the radical capitalist inequality that they suffered at the hands of John Galt. Rand’s laughable and painfully inescapable Jewish contradictions show up here. No doubt she supported the 1965 Hart-Celler Act. John Galt was probably a collectivist Globalist just as Rand was.

  51. JackOH says:
    @Tom F.

    . . . the ongoing white version of Affirmative Action, which includes nepotism, strategic donations, etc.

    Tom F., I regard affirmative action as a great evil, but there’s plenty enough non-AA, non-merit hiring of Whites by Whites. Nepotism, patronage, co-ethnicity, outright criminal practices, such as kickbacks.

    I knew a guy whose prominent daughter suggested he take a retirement job at her company. He himself had been somewhat important in his prior occupation. So he filled out an application, then got interviewed, right? No way. He filled out his application after he started work, and just backdated it for appearances.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  52. @schnellandine

    …the same 737s approved by ‘government regulation’. Damn, but you love the state; even its most embarrassing failures are strengths.

    So your position is that we would be safer without the FAA? No rules at all for planes and just let Boeing/Airbus cut all the corners they want?

    Libertarians should put that on a flyer and hand it out. That along with their other goals of open borders and full-auto machine guns for felons.

    Should be able to take that reliable 1% voting bloc down to half a point.

    The more libertarians explain themselves the less support they get. Half their voters just want legal drugs and have no idea that libertarians want to get rid of borders and safety regulations for airplanes.

    • Replies: @Bro43rd
    , @schnellandine
  53. Dr. Doom says:

    “onebornfree” and “Corvinus” are Jews. They cannot be reasoned with at all.
    The Jews are the enemy. Treat them as such.

    Mock. Subvert.Undermine.
    Mock the shibboleths of the Enemy.
    Subvert society through guile.
    Undermine it by not playing by their rules.

    This is WAR. “democracy” is OVER and DONE.
    Get ready for violent conflict, as the rule of law has been killed by the Jew.

    Get into a WAR mindset. Gun up, buy supplies and ammo.
    You’ll need food for six months. Buy dry goods and cans.

    Do not assist, RESIST.
    Do not contribute, except to your OWN KIND.
    Remove yourself from the Petrodollar system.

    Barter. Trade with others like you.
    Do not buy from stores.
    Minimize your taxable income.

    STARVE THE BEAST AND HELP KILL IT!

    • Replies: @Alt Right Moderate
  54. Pixo says:
    @john cronk

    Done? No. Large areas are still 90% white, and NY, LA, and SF are global capitals of major industries.

    Hordes of low IQ people settling here will make everything worse, but gradually and with lots of opportunities to partially isolate from them.

    • Replies: @Realist
  55. Sanjay P. says:

    This is a message I sent Mr. Dutton, and I want to post it here please:

    Greetings Professor Dutton,

    Please discuss my following thoughts on your show:

    You have said on your show several times recently that the Elites don’t play a part in the destruction of a Group Selected society. But, would not everyone play a part if the ethnicity in question has been under centuries of Dysgenics and Mutational Load? You yourself acknowledged that Woodley of Menie concluded that since the Elites have had more wealth, they were able to provide a better environment for their offspring, resulting in more of their mutated and dysgenic offspring surviving, offspring that were increasingly Psychopathic, among other things. Thus, after years of this process, one would expect most Elites of Europeans and East Asians to be Genetic Psychopaths and following Individual Selection. As such, they seek to increase their individual fitness, at a cost to the group fitness, by seeking bribes from the Ashkenazim in exchange for agreeing to exclusively serve the ethnic interests of the Ashkenazim. The European and East Asian Elites, being above average in intelligence, have discovered the unparalleled power of the Ashkenazim, thus it’s a logical choice for them to become their prostitutes.

    Now, you made an assumption on your show that people who hold the Gentile elites culpable for the destruction of Group Selection are assuming that the non-Elites are innocent. Perhaps. What data are you basing this on? However, I understand that both the Elites and non-Elites are culpable. I discussed above how the Elites have become genetically deteriorated. However, the non-Elites also face such processes. So, the non-Elites of the Europeans and East Asians are also no longer Group Selected and follow Individual Selection. The non-Elites have become genetically stupid, lazy, neurotic, atheistic/nihilistic, non-Ethnocentric, and Psychopathic. Each non-Elite wakes up every morning asking themselves “What can I do for myself today?” instead of “What can I do for my race today?” Thus, the Gentile Elites only have power because the non-Elites allow them to. If this was 1600 and the Elites behaved the way they do today, the non-Elites would immediately ethnically unite and fight to the death in the attempt to publicly execute all the Psychopathic elites. Thus, I agree that the current state of matters is not exclusively the fault of the Elites, but of both the Elites and non-Elites.

    [MORE]

    Also, you then asked the question “Who are the elites?” I often impulsively jump to the conclusion that you are often intentionally being deceptive/dishonest in your comments. But, this would just be conjecture, and perhaps even Psychopathic on my part. I can’t read your mind. Or perhaps you often engage in ‘strategic altruistic dishonesty,’ which is understandable, given today’s punitive Marxist society. But back to the point, when people say ‘Elites,’ they tend to mean the individuals that actually possess a resource level that allows them dictate national policy and cultural trajectories. Basically, these are individuals who control the money and the coercive forces such as the military, police, CIA, FBI, and the Deep State machinery. Again, the average non-Elite Gentile, having completely genetically deteriorated, don’t offer any effective resistance and just go along with what the Elites say. And regarding the Elites, there are different levels of them. The highest level who actually have the final say on everything are a core of Ashkenazi elites. Then, these Ashkenazi elites choose a second tier Gentile Elite based on their talents and willingly to be obedient prostitutes. So then, to name the top tier Ashkenazi Elites, these would be, for example, the Ashkenazi billionaires who provide 50% or more of all Democratic and Republican party financial contributions here in the USA. Ashkenazi billionaires also own most of our national companies such as Dell computers, HP computers, Google company, Intel semiconductor company, K-Mart, Sears, Reddit company, most of the media, etc. And the top positions in the American military, CIA, FBI, and Deep State are dominated by the Ashkenazim and Mossad. Second tier Gentile Elites include people like Biden, Mitch McConnel, Linsey Graham, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Trump, Elizabeth Warren, Nancy Pelosi, etc. Again, the only reason that both the Ashkenazim and Gentile Elites have power is because the non-Elites allow it since they have completely genetically deteriorated. So, I agree with you that the non-Elites are just as culpable as the Elites.

    Another point: you often take issue with the works of Professor Kevin MacDonald. I partly agree with you. I agree with you that the only reason the Ashkenazim dominate the European non-Elite Gentiles is because these very Gentiles allow it since they have completely genetically deteriorated. Metaphorically speaking, the Ashkenazim are like a fatal microbial infection, and the ethnic Europeans are a people whose immune system has become completely dysfunctional due to mutations and accelerated aging processes; Europeans are ‘sitting ducks’ at the genetic level.

    In MacDonald’s “Culture of Critique,” he documents how the Ashkenazim intentionally attempted to impede European Group Selection by promoting Cultural Marxism. This is factual, since MacDonald thoroughly documents all the political and cultural activities of a core of highly intelligent, ethnocentric, and Industrious Ashkenazi individuals. However, I believe that even though the Ashkenazim attempted this, it had no effect on the Europeans since behavior is highly genetically determined and is not malleable by cultural indoctrination. Rather, I accept Dr. Woodley’s theory on what actually destroyed European Group Selection, which is Dysgenics and Mutational Load. Thus, I believe that MacDonald’s “Culture of Critique” is an excellent history book on Ashkenazi political and cultural activities and a piece of evidence in support of the reality of extremely high Ashkenazi intelligence, ethnocentrism, and Industriousness. But, it fails in explaining the actual cause of the destruction of European Group Selection.

    Also, do you and Woodley of Menie agree with the conclusions in MacDonald’s first two books of his Trilogy regarding how the Ashkenazim acquired their intellectual and personality traits? Macdonald’s first two books discusses Eugenics practices enshrined in Talmudic rules of behavior, such as being wary of the inherited traits of prospective mates and their families, as well as the practice of facilitating the highest fertility among the most intelligent and accomplished male scholars wedded to the daughters of the most successful businessmen. Why are his first two books never studied and discussed by you and Woodley of Menie? I consider those books to be just as important as the “Culture of Critique.”

    Next point: when we define ‘Genetic Psychopath,’ we compare a person relative to his contemporary community with respect to how much Altruism he dispenses to others in his community. However, I ask this – why should I personally accept this approach if I personally value much higher expectations from the members of a Group Selected nation? You see, I support a political model called “Transhuman Eugenic National Communism.” It’s the ‘ultimate’ synthetic man-made version of a Group Selected nation. In this nation, I expect every citizen to be genetically designed to wake up not asking “What can I do for myself today,” but rather “What can I do for my Race, Culture, Nation, and God today?” Relative to this synthetic nation I envision, anyone who is not genetically built to ask themselves this question every morning would be defined as a ‘Genetic Psychopath.” I see no reason to define human elementary behaviors based on natural models solely, but rather to redefine them according to how I envision to genetically engineer a man-made model. Relative to this model, I would create a General Factor of Altruism that subsumes the neurological-level emotions of Sympathy, Empathy, and Guilt. Think about it: these three emotions exclusively influence how we treat other people. Sympathy makes us ‘feel bad’ when others are unhappy/in pain, motivating us to help. Empathy allows us to manifest in our own minds the specific pain another person is feeling, thus activating Sympathy. And Guilt is a subjective feeling that makes us ‘feel bad’ if we harm others or don’t contribute to others to a certain level. My above paragraph may be confusing. Let’s look at basic neurological level behaviors: Empathy/Sympathy, Guilt, Industriousness, Fear, Depression, Anger, Disgust, Religiosity/Spirituality/Monumentalism/Open-to-Experience, Ethnocentrism, and Nuclear Family Unit Centrism. Contemporary scientists use a composite trait called Psychopathology in which they combine ‘low’ Agreeableness (sympathy) with ‘low’ Conscientiousness (basically Industriousness). However, what quantity defines this “low” level of Agreeableness and Conscientiousness? My standards are much higher for what is required to define a specific human organism as Agreeable. Mainstream scientists say that only 1% of the population are Psychopaths. How can this be if we know that modern populations have genetically de-evolved into Individually Selected organisms? Every individual wakes up every morning asking themselves “What can I do for myself today” instead of “What can I do for my race, culture, nation, and God today?” Yet mainstream scientists define all these people, the 99%, as non-Psychopaths. Again, how can this be, when they are all selfish? I suppose that as long as the 99% don’t openly go around stabbing people, shooting people, raping people, robbing cars, and mugging people at gunpoint, they are defined as healthy non-Psychopaths. Does this make sense to you? Not to me – my standards are much higher. Based on my standards, I define all those 99% as actually being extreme Genetic Psychopaths because none of them wake up every morning asking themselves “What can I do today to advance my Race, Culture, and Racial Lands, and my Race’s relationship with God?” Also, I see no value in using the trait of Conscientiousness to create the composite trait of Psychopathology. I would redefine the word ‘Conscientiousness’ as simply Industriousness, which is the innate desire to be productive in all aspects of life. Industriousness is linked to Fear and Depression, in that if one does not follow their natural inclination to be Industrious, they experience Depression and anxiety (low level fear), which then motivates them to reach their productive potential in order to deactivate their Depression and anxiety. I personally am extremely Industrious, and when incidents occur where various impediments prevent me from reaching my productive potential, I end up feeling depressed and anxious. But, my main point here is that I see Industriousness and Altruism as two separate traits that just “muddy the waters” when combined to create the composite of “Psychopathology.” I would prefer to keep Industriousness as separate, but then sometimes use a composite that I will here just define as “Altruism” which will combine the basic neurological behaviors of Sympathy, Empathy, and Guilt.

    Another point: you and Woodley of Menie are highly trepid about eugenics/transhumanism. You personally argued that we have not acquired enough evolutionary knowledge to successfully carry it out. However, the Ashkenazim also possessed limited knowledge about evolutionary psychology, yet they had successfully practiced eugenics/transhumanism for 3,500 years, resulting in them advancing beyond all other ethnic groups. They are proof that eugenics/transhumanism works. You also make the argument that eugenics/transhumanism is not ‘natural’ and thus we should just ‘let nature direct our gene frequencies,’ instead of us synthetically engineering a culture that self-directs our gene frequencies. Well, your perspective of ‘letting nature take care of things’ is a subjective ideological/philosophical/religious view, and so is my perspective. I have a religious/monumental/spiritual belief that my envisioned Group-Selected nation should collectively seek to approach the realm of God by working together as a national family to become god-like ourselves via eugenics/transhumanism. It does not matter if we succeed or fail – it’s the effort that counts, and it’s the effort that gives our lives meaning and a purpose, which is to attempt to touch the realm of God together as a united national family, for God is pro-family, and we honor God in our attempt to become one with Him. God only helps those who helps themselves, and He is pleased and honored by our attempt to ourselves reach His realm. God understands that laziness leads to entropy, while hard work leads to higher orders of existence, thus He declares hard work to be a virtue, and laziness to be a Sin. Eugenics/transhumanism is the highest manifestation of hard work, and God is honored by our attempt to become one with Him. Again, in God’s eyes, it’s the attempt that counts, and as long as we try our best in the attempt to implement eugenics/transhumanism, we please God and increase our chances for transcendence into the next level of existence/After-Life/’Heaven.’

    Another point: as you know, I have spent a lot of time debating Russians on Russian websites, debates which I have shared with you. I no longer have these debates, for I have conclusively concluded that Russia has genetically deteriorated to a hopeless state. First, my hypothesis is that ethnic Russian billionaire oligarchs control and run Russia, and just like the non-Elites in the West, the non-Elites in Russia have genetically deteriorated to the point to where they refuse to ethnically unite and fight to the death in a civil war to remove the oligarchs from power and incorporate Group Selection. My hypothesis is Vladimir Putin is a prostitute of the oligarchs who promotes their interests in exchange for bribes. Thus, any laws that he signs into existence are actually written by the oligarchs. The oligarchs, being Genetic Psychopaths, want to weaken the non-Elite citizens by promoting diversity. Putin, following this directive, has facilitated many policies to promote diversity in Russia. For example, Putin has passed a law criminalizing any political party in Russia that promotes Russian Group Selection. Second, Putin has incorporated Western style Anti-Hate Speech Laws in Russia – it is illegal to question the “official” historical accounts of WWII and the Ashkenazi Holocaust, and it is illegal to make any scientifically accurate claims about ethnic and gender differences. Putin every year gives Russian citizenship to 100,000 Brown immigrants and strives to reincorporate into Russia the former Brown nations of the Soviet Union. And Putin supports feminist extremism in Russia. As you know, the United Nations just held its annual conference on how to successfully promote international feminist extremism, this year being held in St. Petersburg, Russia. ‘President’ Putin gave a speech in which he claimed that the incorporation of feminist extremism in Russia is a highly desired aspiration, and Putin extolled the fact that 56% of the Russian work force was occupied by females. Putin stated that every Russian female has an inalienable right to become a self-empowered independent woman, instead of just a baby-manufacturing house-wife. His speech solidified my conclusion that Russia has genetically deteriorated beyond repair. However, you have hypothesized in one of your videos that Russians (Slavics) were always a Psychopathic r-selected ethnicity due to an environment of constant chaos via constant wars and invasions, especially by Muslims. On a final note here, Putin has criminalized the Death Penalty in Russia, which I speculate was done in order to make sure this penalty is never used on the oligarchs. One last final note here: you may ask why I argue that the Russian oligarchs are trying to destroy the non-Elite Russian citizens with diversity? I hypothesize that they are promoting genetic diversity to dilute the ethnic Slavic Russians to ensure they can never ethnically unite to have a civil war and remove the oligarchs from power. And the promotion of Feminism emasculates the males, rendering them less martial.

    The East Asians have also completely genetically deteriorated, which is why they are all now Individually Selected Psychopaths who refuse to reproduce or ethnically unite and fight to the death in a civil war to get rid of their Elites and reincorporate Group Selection once again. In China, Emperor Jinping removed all maximum child-birth quotas laws in the hopes that females will start reproducing again to reverse China’s population decline. However, the females still choose not to reproduce because they prefer their careers and their self-empowerment and gender independence to a life of a married house-wife raising multiple offspring. The males, who have all genetically deteriorated, just go along with the Cultural Marxism incorporated by the Genetically Psychopathic Emperor Jinping who possesses no innate altruistic behaviors and sees all of China’s 1.3 billion people as his physical property who are needed to create resources for him. Jinping has also stated that the incorporation of Feminist Extremism into every aspect of China is paramount, and that continued work is needed to bring forth 100% socio-economic equality between the sexes and to successfully eliminate differential gender roles. Again, just like with the Russian oligarchs, I hypothesis that Emperor Jinping does not actually possess any Altruistic sentiments towards China’s females, but instead just seeks to emasculate all the Chinese males to ensure they don’t become too martial and carry out a civil war to remove him from power. Again, the Chinese non-Elite males, all 650 million of them, have genetically deteriorated and thus just let Jinping do whatever he wants. We must remember that China’s Emperors used to have eight-year terms, and at the end of the term, each Emperor would hand-pick his successor. However, Jinping removed this policy and declared himself the Emperor for life, and the 650 million Chinese male citizens did nothing. However, this is not to say that in theory, a life-long national King is necessarily a bad idea, for in a highly Group Selected nation, a King could be highly competent, Altruistic, and Ethnocentric, and thus there would be no practical reason to ever remove him as long as he keeps on doing a good job, just as good or better than any replacement King. However, this is clearly not the case with Jinping.

    Finally, I have one more point to make. Consider the following a “thought experiment,” or a hypothesis/conjecture/speculation. Will the Hassidic/Haredi Ashkenazim inherit the Earth? Now, we already know that ethnic Europeans and East Asians reproduce at below-replacement levels, so they will shrink in size to a completely impotent state. However, at least with respect to the ethnic Europeans, the small percent of them that are innately highly fertile may end up exponentially increasing in numbers. But, they will also be of very low intelligence since overall intelligence of Europeans is declining. This exponentially growing population of low IQ Europeans though will quickly die off once their large size is no longer self-sustainable due to their very low intelligence, as predicted by Dr. Woodley of Menie. And though in the short term the Brown and Black races will grow in absolute numbers, they will quickly reduce in population by 99% once the Europeans and East Asians are too genetically unintelligent to sustain their welfare.

    Now, let’s consider the Haredi/Hassidic Ashkenazim. They are the only Group-Selected population left on Earth, and they are relatively intelligent. They are the most anti-feminist population group, where females are forbidden to work and must get married around age eighteen and have ten children by age thirty – roughly one child per year, but not past age 30, since reproduction beyond this age can lead to defective offspring. Thus, their population is increasing exponentially by a power of ten. There is the question though of how much dysgenics/mutational load they may be experiencing. The requirements of continuing membership in Hassidic/Haredi communities is quite demanding. One must be hyper-religious to accept their highly intricate religious code of conduct. Their religion regulates every aspect of their lives, such as their sophisticated all black head to toe religious costume, how they maintain their hair, how they eat, what time they eat, what time they sleep and wake up, what activities they do at every hour of the day, the exact course of study males must pursue in school, their marital and reproductive duties, etc. One would also have to be highly Industrious to be persistent in carrying out all these rituals, and intelligent enough to read, study, and often memorize all the hundreds of religious books. Thus, mutated and dysgenic offspring who did not acquire the genes to maintain this lifestyle will leave the community and instead choose an alternative community such as the Reform Judaism sect or the secular Ashkenazi sect. However, the Haredi/Hassidic community possesses no mechanism to remove genetic mutations for overall physical health, or a possible overall incrementally decreasing IQ average. And, the Haredi/Hassidic community use modern technology in every aspect of their lives, such as cell phones, homes, clothes, and cars manufactured in factories, modern medicine resources such pharmaceutical medicines and hospitals, IVF and computer genetic databases to prevent two prospective mates from marrying each other if they both carry recessive genes for diseases, foods prepared via high-tech farming methods, etc. And, the Haredi/Hassidic don’t study science and mathematics in school, but only religious texts, so they will not have the knowledge to self-design and manufacture all their required products and services. Thus, there is the important question of how they will sustain themselves once the Gentiles become too unintelligent to make all their products and services for them. If we can overlook this, then the Hassidic/Haredi are indeed growing exponentially by a power of ten, and they are relatively intelligent compared to the Gentiles. They also have more political and economic clout than the Gentiles, as well as the most powerful ally in the world – the highly intelligent Elite secular Ashkenazim. What this all allows the Haredi/Hassidic to do is exponentially expand their land in an outwards direction and combine a multitude of resources to remove any Gentiles out of their way. They will soon, here in America, expand outwards from New York City washing away all the Gentile inhabitants and making all of New York City an exclusively Haredi/Hassidic community. Then they will take all of New York State, all of the East Coast, Eastern America, all of America, all of North America, all of South America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Russia, and Asia. The Gentiles will go extinct, and the Haredi/Hassidic will represent a new major leap in Hominid evolution, as significant as when the Homo Sapiens replaced the Neanderthals. The entire world will be exclusively populated by perhaps six billion Haredi/Hassidic Ashkenazim. However, over time, the Ashkenazim of the different regions of Earth may end up becoming genetically different due to different environmental pressures selecting for different gene frequencies. One of the sub-groups of the Ashkenazim may end up acquiring the prerequisite genes to alter their brains to one that embraces radical eugenics/transhumanism, and this group may end up successfully applying it, becoming God-like and expanding throughout the Milky Way Galaxy.

  56. papers says:

    Murray has always been a low-tax liberal. This group is often misidentified as “conservatives”. Like any principled liberal, he wants a race-blind world and he prefers to have a regime of low taxes. That’s it. His main gripe is with other liberals, who he sees as being hypocritical in their professed anti-racism.

    In Murray’s ideal world, these corrupted strains of liberalism would be replaced by his more principled version. He is basically a moderate liberal out of the 1950s.

    In a world where you cannot count on a racial supermajority, he has no answers. His view that everyone should be an individualist is noble, but ultimately foolish. For someone who stresses genetics so much, it is strange that he refuses to accept that tribalism is inherently a human trait – even among whites. I also find it bizarre that as whites are already a minority of the population in the US under the age of 18, why does he solely focus on white identity politics given that the majority groups in this age bracket all practice it? That is hypocritical too.

    In the end, Murray will be seen as a roadblock, someone who tried to save a system that didn’t deserve to be saved because it was never liberal, just anti-white. History will not judge him kindly.

  57. Ghali says:

    It is Great news if Murray is right, that “America is self-destructing, discarding its [fascist] ideals, unwilling to confront [heinous war crimes and crimes against humanity]”. There will be very few who will shed tears on the disappearance of fascist America.

  58. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    Then stop looking back and look to the future. What will North America look like or maybe look like in a Post-American future. What happens when reality returns, all politics turns into a struggle for group advantage and ideals are only for group advantage and otherwise held in contempt?

    No one will be influenced to give up their cherished myths until they receive a boot in the face. Not even then in some cases. Books that contradict cherished assumptions will not be read at best or they will be burned in rage. When the boot arrives a book will not be necessary to explain its arrival though it may be helpful.

  59. With the current embrace of GlobalHomo/BLM/Rx/Zio/BIGs/MIC3 overlords now ruling humanity, I would prefer to return to a pagan lifestyle that thrived in the Neolithic culture of 6500-3500 BCE which emerged after the last Ice Age. This was an age of a peaceful agrarian society which worshipped only a Mother Goddess, with no images of a Father god. It was an epoch of peace and sexual equality. Technology was used to improve life rather than oppress and degrade people, or destroy the Earth. Time was regarded as cyclic and regenerative rather than culminating in an apocalypse where unbelievers of messiah cults are consigned to eternal torture. May this time return once again.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  60. If you want historical context for why America is coming apart, read an essay by Sir John Glubb entitled ‘The Fate of Empires’. It was written in 1976, and its about the British Empire, but the information applies to the current situation of America.

    We are following an ancient pattern that has held since the Bronze age, where great and powerful nations rise in a particular way, flourish for a while, and then decline in a predictable manner – As we are clearly doing right now. Sir Glubb’s essay delineates numerous factors that coincide with decline, and while he was talking about empires of the distant past, his description is dead-on accurate to what we experiencing and participating in right now.

    It’s striking to find, for instance, that the spread of education and enlightenment is not an unalloyed good. It produces liberalism, empathy, civility, and causes people to identify with the plight of strangers. It also produces decadence and perversity. It also causes people to sympathize with strangers as much or even more than with one’s own kin and countrymen. As the prosperity and creativity of the nation in question attracts foreigners, they are welcomed in with open arms and granted the full rights of citizenship. And everything starts to go straight to hell.

    The whole thing can be boiled down to a meme we’ve all seen before:
    Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.
    This essay just fills in the details and gives the specific information about how it happens. It also lists the time-frame involved. Empires seem to consistently rise and fall withing a window of ~10 human generations, or 250 years. America’s Bicentennial celebration was in 1976, so we don’t have much time left if we hold to the pattern.

    You can find it on several YouTube channels, read aloud in full, discussed and reviewed. Don’t expect to feel optimistic afterwords, however.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  61. @Peter Johnson

    There no longer exists a “long run “ for the USA.

    Sane reform ideas needed to have taken flight by the end of the 1950’s. Those never gained traction etc indeed the opposite occurred

    The USA long run runway hardly exists. We are at the precipice. Hence the sputtering embrace of the vertical take off idea, namely secession. But secession is traumatic for true believers in Americas civic religion and civic nationalism. Was the last 250 years / 10 generations for naught ? Civic nationalist wonder if they can retreat to a new exurb, and hope that things will get better …. that we can return to a Thornton Wilderize small town America that need not fight wars in the ME ad nauseam because the domestic lobby no longer exists that might tilts public opinion and policy in that direction. Etc etc

  62. Franz says:

    Over a quarter of white evangelicals are firm believers in Q-Anon …

    I find that hard to believe. Q was mainly smashed on the wreckage of Trump himself, starting with his failure to pardon the January 6th protestors, which should have been a given. Along with that is the current dictatorial state; the general tenor of Sleepy Joe’s high-handedness. The current state of the nation is proof Q was hot air. For those who needed proof.

  63. gte757n says: • Website

    I don’t blame Charles Murray for not aggressively promoting his own body of work. Unlike many professors, he’s not necessarily an “activist”. It’s up to us to aggressively republish parts of his work, and promote the public racial consciousness.

    The only thing “taboo” is discussion of the obvious final solution to the negro problem.

    https://www.clements757.com/#two

  64. And, more immediately, it shows that “Murrayism”—trying reasonably to discuss racial differences while making many concessions to the anti-science Left and suppressing Politically Incorrect science that goes further—has failed. Now what?

    Name the Jewish Supremacism and call for White Liberation from it.

    And never ever use ‘racist’ as epithet. Take it from the only true race-ist.

    Spell it as ‘race-ism’ to accentuate the meaning of -Ism. -Ism means belief, and race-ism should mean belief in the reality of race and the need for racial consciousness.

    Also, repeat BAMMAMA or blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    And how about JASAS? Jews are smarter and supremacist.

    ——————————

    Chucky Cucky Murray: “America is self-destructing, discarding its founding ideals…”

    ROTFL.

    What made America great was not its founding ideals but its founding practices, which was AWESOME RACE-ISM.

    AWESOM WHITE RACE-ISM made America great. It took land from red savages. It kept black savages down. It took SW from lazy Mexicans. It limited the yellow horde. It told Jews that this a CHRISTO-RACE-IST country, and Jews got the message and wrote X-mas songs and made Jesus movies.

    It’s like the magnificent movie THE BIG COUNTRY. Enlightened Race-ism made America great.
    But when whites began to trade their tough-pants founding practices with pansy-ass founding ideals, it was doomed.

    I want BIG COUNTRY America, the only one I believe in.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Troll: Corvinus
  65. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Focusing on the wrong Race, as usual.

    It’s the Jews, stupid.

  66. @Dr. Doom

    I think mutual aid is an excellent idea for struggling anti-globalists dissidents, given how hard it is change other people’s opinions in an age of affluence and complacency, but I strongly disagree with the idea of withdrawing from the world and not investing in it. The world can stay crazy for much longer than a survivalist can stay solvent.

    Why not take advantage of upper-middle class virtue signaling and invest in undervalued oil and gas companies, uranium miners, or share funds in politically incorrect markets like Russia and Poland?

    There’s are lots of opportunities for making money out of liberal irrationality, but not many people bother to explore them.

  67. Dumbo says:

    The issue is much deeper than “IQ differences”. Harping on that issue is pointless. The Left doesn’t care that (on average) blacks are dumber than whites, and different from whites. They know it and even like it. They just pretend that any black kid from the ghetto can be a rocket scientist, the same way that they pretend to believe that transgenders are “real women”.

    Plus, even taking into account the average differences, “50% of people are dumber than average”. There are lots of dumb whites too.

    Murray and all the others who focus on IQ miss the main landscape. It’s about being a specific people, with a history and an identity. This includes ancestry, and culture, and religion, but it’s more than that.

    America was doomed from the beginning, what with all the freemason stuff, but especially since 1965.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  68. @Etruscan Film Star

    She did make valuable contributions. But as Chesterton might have said, Libertarianism is to Communism as polished steel is to rust.

  69. gotmituns says:

    Nothing new here. The time for reading books about all this stuff is over. It’s time to make yourselves the best marksman you can be – one round, one hit.

  70. Ed says:

    Murray did his best. He has a family and at the end of the day most of us want peace of mind. As he said others can pick up his baton if they choose to.

  71. Altai says:

    Facing Reality

    Things Libertarians don’t do by definition.

    The smart ones know it’s just a self-serving ideology for people without a social conscience. The dumb ones are amazing. You’re a Southern WASP working a minimum wage job and are investing in Bitcoin? You’re the exact person Milton Friedman hated the most and invented abstract moral arguments to best keep poor.

  72. Goddard says:
    @Peter Johnson

    The long-run “power of the pen” will eventually triumph?

    We are running out of time.

  73. Old Prude says:

    Look up at the Moon. America is never going back there. That country was a different people. This new country is a flop house for foreign grifters. It’s not really even a country any more. But its hard and sorrowful to break the habit of pretending that it is.

  74. @onebornfree

    Democracy worst form of government only outdone by anarchy —-USA now sliding towards the nadir of that scale –Plato’s Republic—- where is that philospher king ? At seven- 11???

  75. Bro43rd says:
    @John Johnson

    Liability torte reform & insurance companies could easily replace the faa. Government interference in the market is the trouble.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
  76. Realist says:

    My view: Murray’s book is about 40 years too late. America is already too divided, too low in trust, too angry; too emotional.

    I believe this is true. and White people are right about not trusting the government. We now live in a plutocratic oligarchy…where the wealthy/powerful are in control….the Deep State.

    It appears to me the east Asians, Chinese, in particular, will be the next race/ethnicity to make advancements for humanity.

  77. Realist says:
    @Pixo

    Done? No. Large areas are still 90% white, and NY, LA, and SF are global capitals of major industries.

    That is patently false. You live in a dream world. Nothing of value is manufactured in NY, LA, and SF, or any other large city. Essentials for an advanced life are produced in fly-over-country. in medium-sized cities. Large cities are just shitholes with useless people the majority. Wake up.

    • Replies: @Anon
  78. Realist says:
    @John Johnson

    Intellectual and character traits are biology which means they are in fact body chemistry.

    Libertarianism is tied to biology denial just as much as liberalism.

    This is absolutely correct and denial changes nothing.

  79. Anybody who has worked and spent a lot of time with blacks will know they are not lacking in intelligence. Will know they do not have less intelligence than whites, or Asians, or Jews, or whichever ethnic or racial group you choose. Most black kids lack training to take IQ tests. Middle class and above white kids — and even the poor white kids who still end up at the white school — are trained from their day care center days how to take multiple choice IQ tests. Put Einstein in the middle of the Kalahari with a bushman and see who is smarter at figuring out how to survive. IQ — what we call IQ — is function of environment. Blacks live in environments where nobody teaches them how to take IQ tests.I suggest everybody spend more time together with black people.

    • LOL: Realist, Thim
    • Troll: schnellandine
    • Replies: @Automatic Slim
  80. @john cronk

    Not if the Whites stand together… it’s still not too late to reverse the damage of the last fifty years.

    • Replies: @Realist
  81. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude

    Look up at the Moon. America is never going back there. That country was a different people. This new country is a flop house for foreign grifters. It’s not really even a country any more. But its hard and sorrowful to break the habit of pretending that it is.

    Manned American space flight a half-century ago:

    Cutting-edge manned American space flight in 2021:

    Know about Blue Origin’s Indian-born engineer who helped make a historic rocket
    https://techstory.in/know-indian-born-engineer-blue-origin-team-that-built-new-shepard/

  82. @John Johnson

    No rules at all for planes and just let Boeing/Airbus cut all the corners they want?

    Cathy Newman alert! Naturally, as with most Cathy Newmans, you don’t wait for the answer. All false-dichotomy bluster and bullshit, as usual. C’mon, let’s hear more about Ayn Rand and what a horrible person she was. Tell us of everything but the libertarian prohibition against the initiation of force. You tell of the horrors of libertarianism (via 100% straw man), while running from discussing even tangentially the single principle of libertarianism. How many other political beliefs may be summed in a single sentence, yet it’s that one sentence you avoid as though it were bubonic. You’ll talk about Ayn Rand for days. The initiation of force? Not a word. Intellectual fraud.

    [MORE]

    Should be able to take that reliable 1% voting bloc down to half a point.

    Then what do you care? What do any of the anti-‘libertarian’ foamers here care about this rejected political principle? They are bothered to their core by what the libertarian principle has in store for their ludicrous beliefs if matched against the principle and viewed without fear of consequence. Your problem with mutual liberty is psychological, not intellectual.

    and have no idea that libertarians want to get rid of borders and safety regulations for airplanes.

    It’s an age-old delusion, this fallacy of yours. You are in love with the state.

    Never mind that libertarians (not leftists trading under the name) want more borders, and more safety. No group is more obsessed with the concept of private property (borders) and zero tyrannical ‘welfare’ (immigrant bait). How much of that enters your head? Nothing, of course, because you decided long ago that you despise libertarianism, with the inconvenient cart/horse problem of hearing the definition only after forming the hate.

    Always curious why state lovers like you don’t argue for the removal of all private enterprise. Only the state may be trusted (stocked with such magnificent folk, miraculously), so why not have the state do everything instead of simply issuing edicts from heaven? One fast-food restaurant chain (the state). One shipper (the state). One medical entity (the state). Bypass the middlemen and let the angels rule all.

    Published in 1850, still relevant:

    Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

    We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.

    By what right do you require that all passengers on the 737 Max entrust their safety to a bungling POS FAA? It’s none of your business to interfere in my preference for safety. In a market for plane certification, FAA would fare worse than USPS (violent monopoly) does in their supposed arena. According to your foolish authoritarianism, however, there must be only one certification agency. And when that agency approves a deadly airliner, they must be congratulated for pulling the plug after only hundreds of fatalities. Well done. Only a state/monopolism-worshiper could twist an FAA-born aviation disaster into the miracle of FAA socialism.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Drapetomaniac
    • Replies: @Exile
  83. Rahan says:
    @John Johnson

    I think it would be a beneficial habit, whenever mentioning Ayn Rand, to always mention her real name as well: Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum, as well as her country of origins (Soviet Russia).

    Just for context. Sometimes one needs context.

  84. Agreed. We are too far gone, too enamored of lies and self-referential mythology and our petroleum-soaked imperial tributes and privileges on both sides of the imperial “aisle” to see things clearly, and everything will continue to fall apart.

    Maybe once we hit the brick wall of reality, and after a decade or two of the terrors, madness and squalor to follow, will we have a chance to pick up the pieces and be a nice “Zone B” country, as The Saker might say.

    In the meantime, Nemesis and Karma will have their way with us, but food still grows, the sun still shines, beauty is all around, and God is good. Peace!

  85. Realist says:
    @John Johnson

    We are not dealing with fair minded thinkers. The social sciences are a liberal collective that is paid by the establishment to lie about race. Even most conservatives in DC support telling lies for the sake of social stability. They are correctly afraid that Whites may backlash after finding out their education system has been lying to them. Conservatives fear Whites losing faith in racial egalitarianism and then moving on to question everything else. Both sides prefer lies for stability and want everyone to work and then go watch TV. They don’t want rabble rouser Whites asking big questions.

    This is true…since both parties are sycophants for the Deep State.

    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the two parties as long as their important issues are advanced (wealth and power). As a matter of fact it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting. In fact, we live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

    The Deep State does not care what U. S. citizens want. They know that most U. S. citizens are inane fools and will believe anything. Most Americans would rather watch America’s Got Talent, or Dancing With The Stars or The Masked Singer than be informed about important issues.

  86. Rahan says:

    There’s a window of opportunity about to open in 2022.

    The timeline goes like this:

    1) Winter of 2021-22 — the fully jabbed societies start getting “super-flues” and “worst colds ever” and likely waves of pneumonia, as their collective natural immunity starts tanking.

    2) Spring 2022 — it is no longer possible to hide that the clot shots don’t lower even by 20% transmission of the corona, and that any alleged personal protection exists for a month. First public analysis admits that most deaths in hospital “from the corona” were due to crap treatment.

    3) Summer 2022 — it is no longer possible to hide that thousands died through denial of medical services due to being unvaxed. It is also no longer possible to deny that millions of women experienced miscarriages and stillbirths at monstrous rates.

    4) Autumn 2022 — it is no longer possible to deny that after the fourth booster shot the population’s immune system becomes like that of AIDS patients and they have to take “immune booster meds” for the rest of their lives.

    Thus, between summer of 2022 and winter of 2022-23 will the window of opportunity to push back on everything, while the incompetence entropy of the globohomo system has peaked. In 2023 it will be too late, they will have regrouped.

  87. @HallParvey

    Now, who has enough money to buy the politicians of both parties? To get them elected. To get them tossed out if they stray from the party line.
    Say the secret word and win twenty five dollars. (But not out loud.)

    The secret word is Shlomo. Thanks in advance for the 25 clams.

  88. @Anon

    Do you hide behind Anon so you can avoid being regarded as insane when mischievously spouting nonsense for some private purpose?

    The “chosen people” always try to take over. And they have a special grudge against Christians and whites: See John 8:44 and the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D.

    It would be good to think that you realised that your evidence is on a par with saying “We have the opportunity and must take it. Redheads have threatened only conquest and murder for a hundred generations. Revelations 108:95. Extermination is the only remedy”.

  89. @Matt Lazarus

    Thanks for the laugh, D’Shawn

    • Thanks: TKK
  90. Miro23 says:
    @John Johnson

    This idea that some liberal professor making 6 figures teaching egalitarian fiction just needs one more spreadsheet of data and she will reverse course. I really don’t see how Murray ever thought that was possible if he has been around college professors.

    Job security and a steady high income are not something to take lightly, as college professors, Congressmen and MSM media executives know very well.

    In the Soviet Union it took a general political/economic collapse to prise the Nomenklatura limpets off their rocks – only for them to overnight convert to free market Neoliberalism and once again offer themselves for sale.

    The US isn’t going to be fixed through individual self interest – it will likely come through some kind of spiritual community millenarianism that subsumes the individual.

  91. @personfellowindividual

    Better than youtube, you can find a copy to read.

    http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

    “The heroes of declining nations are always the same—the athlete, the singer or the actor. “

    Perhaps the most dangerous by-product of the Age of Intellect is the unconscious growth of the idea that the human brain can solve the problems of the world. Even on the low level of practical affairs this is patently untrue. Any small human activity, the local bowls club or the ladies’ luncheon club, requires for its survival a measure of self-sacrifice and service on the part of the members. In a wider national sphere, the survival of the nation depends basically on the loyalty and self-sacrifice of the citizens. The impression that the situation can be saved by mental cleverness, without unselfishness or human self-dedication, can only lead to collapse. Thus we see that the cultivation of the human intellect seems to be a magnificent ideal, but only on condition that it does not weaken unselfishness and human dedication to service. Yet this, judging by historical precedent, seems to be exactly what it does do.

    “many of the foreign immigrants will probably belong to races originally conquered by and absorbed into the empire. While the empire is enjoying its High Noon of prosperity, all these people are proud and glad to be imperial citizens. But when decline sets in, it is extraordinary how the memory of ancient wars, perhaps centuries before, is suddenly revived, and local or provincial
    movements appear demanding secession or independence. Some day this phenomenon will doubtless appear in the now apparently monolithic and authoritarian Soviet empire. It is amazing for how long such provincial sentiments can survive. ”

    Written in the 1970s.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  92. Cking says:

    The Democratic Party’s ‘Woke’ Left power, Wall St.’s infantry, has simply implemented the new national policy that put every American, no matter the color, nominal status, etc., in a perpetual state of criminality with no rights, social, economic, or Constitutional. Your rights and the US Constitutional government have been suspended indefinitely. It’s the irrational, Bolshevik, reaction to Trump’s ‘Make America Great Again’ political platform. The 2021 election result should have been contested more vigorously; we’re in trouble now, we’re sinking into a murderous ‘French Revolution’ without a Patriotic Elite that can recognize and/or discern the immediate, monstrous, implications and dimensions.

  93. US of A is a sick, sick nation as reflected in the writings of the author and that of the commentary, and it looks to spread that sickness violently across Earth.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Poco
  94. ricpic says:

    Murrayism can only succeed in a reasonable, i.e. civilized society. Yes, the veneer of civilization is always thin. But there is a world of difference between America mid-twentieth century (thin veneer) and America today (naked barbarism CELEBRATED).

    A simpler way of putting it would be that, in our benighted day, the man who stretches out his hand and says “We’re all in it together” is not rejected, his gesture is INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the “vanguard” opposition.

  95. @Old Prude

    The Americans never went there, period. America started falling seriously when they all fell for that story voiced by JFK but in which JFK confided just thereafter that the US should send only probes, chariots and robots to bring back to scientists far more data and materials than clumsy spacesuited astronauts could ever dream to handle as cosmic and solar rays made a manned mission impossible, while the commoners should be fed with the dream. Since that date (1969-72) the US people can be provided with mere images and no longer need real houses, cars, turkeys… to be bribed and that was JFK’s project, crowned with big success by Nixon. For your information, the US had always been, as per their own parlance, the Israel, the promised homeland of all foreign grifters and among those grifters there was Von Braun, a former German employer of slave prison manpower for his own ego. Space projects are cheap though : they are ideally pulled off by rather poor oriental despotic states such as USSR was that go for prestige shows rather than for real mass economic growth and that have masses of free labour at their disposal. If there is to be another lunar mission or men on Mars it will be probably pulled off by the Republic of Congo or by some Emirate, as they hire foreign grifters to do it like the US did, but we’ll know much sooner that it has been faked.

  96. Realist says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Democracy worst form of government only outdone by anarchy.

    Agreed, a meritocratic government is the best hope. China is is in the process of developing a meritocratic society…if successful they will prevail.

  97. “The Bell Curve” is great work and we can be thankful for it.

    But….it was organized jewry that deracinated whites, pushed race denial and egalitarian nonsense.

    It was marxist jews that invented the term “racism” to demonize innocent white people, so that marxist jews can blame whites for the failures of non-whites. And it’s marxist jews that push massive third world immigration to genocide whites.

    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Countries✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Cities✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Neighborhoods✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Workplaces✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Schools✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Sports✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Anything✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no Whites✓
    Anti-racist is a >codeword< for anti-White.
    White geNOcide!

    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/mini-mantras-pro/

  98. Realist says:
    @Chinaman's Nightmare

    Not if the Whites stand together… it’s still not too late to reverse the damage of the last fifty years.

    There is no sign of that happening.

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  99. @CelestiaQuesta

    Stop dreaming. It has been well shown again and again that contrary to a modern man’s first impression that civilisations believing in cyclical time, India being a well-known example of large scale, are characterized by a much higher level of despair and competition as all games considered legitimate are zero-sum game and any project to bequeath a world better or just as good as the one you inherited from is ridiculed in advance. Improvement of life doesn’t exist even in theory. There may or may not be long periods of peace at state level but between individual it is cult-throat competition for limited ressources. The only livable civilisations of the past always believed in a linear history ending with some kind of ultimate separation of the good from the evil. Persia was one, though it was quite near India and Aryan in the same way brahmanic India was. The same can be said for civilisations of Mother Goddess : there is no limit to their barbarity. The less barbaric and more rational states of civilisation are always patriarchical. The US were far more livable before feminism. In India, the worst states as for general violence are those where Hinduism is Great Mother oriented. In Greece the most militaristic cities were systematically those who had a feminine tutelary deity : contrary to what you may imagine Sparta’s tutelary deity was not Ares but Artemis.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  100. Realist says:
    @Stephen Allen

    US of A is a sick, sick nation as reflected in the writings of the author and that of the commentary, and it looks to spread that sickness violently across Earth.

    A meaningless comment…with no context or substance…troll-like.

  101. Poco says:
    @Stephen Allen

    Hey dummy. The US spreads the opposite of the commentariat and the author. That’s why you think as you do.

  102. Murray is as useless as Chomsky. Only thing that matters is who controls the money pump.

  103. Tucker says:
    @Anonymous

    ” This obsession with individualism is one of the root ideological causes of the collapse of the West”

    I have to wholeheartedly agree. And, let me give an example of how this particular point was driven home to me, because up until it was – I have always had very powerful instincts associated with individualism.

    It was my reading of a news story of something that happened in Zimbabwe, the former Rhodesia. There was a former South Afrikaner Special Forces veteran who owned a farm and was living there with his wife and children. Due to the on-going threat of black terrorist invasions of White South Afrikaner farms, which were accompanied by gang rapes of both the female and small male children, followed by gruesome and sadistic torture and horrible dismemberment of certain unmentionable body parts. the White South Afrikaner farmers had established a radio communications network where farmers could send out warnings to their neighbors if they spotted a gang of roving blacks who were planning to attack these farms. The White former Special Forces fellow in this news story had received such a warning, so he sent his wife and children away to a far away neighbor or family member’s homes for their safety. Then, he barricaded himself inside his house with his arsenal of weapons and decided he would defend himself from the gangs of murderous blacks.

    Let’s consider the logistics of his situation. A normal house has four different sides, each pointing in a different direction. A single White man, no matter how big his weapons arsenal was and no matter how much ammunition he had in his stockpile can only keep an eye on one side of his house at a time. He can only fire his weapon out of one of his windows at a time. And, while this White Lone Ranger was busy firing his weapon front the front side of his home – these black savages simply scurried around to the back of his house and were able to get close enough to set his house on fire. In was only a matter of time before this highly trained, former Special Ops vet was forced to either let himself get burned alive – or vacate the house. He chose to exit the house, and he was
    promptly murdered by blacks wielding AK-47s who filled him up with a few hundred bullets.

    This news story is what I give credit to for jolting me out of my love affair with the idea of ‘rugged individualism’. Had that White man had four or five other armed White men inside his house, and as a team, they could have laid down fire from all four sides of his farm house – their chances of survival would have skyrocketed. And, had they been able to use CB or Ham radios to request backup support, and had that support responded in a timely fashion – there would have been stacks and stacks of the corpses of dead, bullet ridden black terrorists.

    The lesson I learned from that news story is that playing the Lone Ranger game is a perfect way to wind up dead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Charon
  104. @Poupon Marx

    An antibiotic too weak to cure and remove the pathogen is the worst antibiotic : not only it won’t cure but it will help the pathogen growing far more resistant to all antibiotics. The only effect it might have is to convince all teaching bodies that moral values such as equality between humans have such a precedence over the technical utility brought by theknowledge of genetics that the science of genetics should be reserved to a tiny elite of researchers having promised never to divulge their information, like what is done with the technologies of sophisticated armament (imagine what a microwave lamp could do if every one knew it can be weapnized for cheap) lest racism and tribalism make such a comeback that the who trust making public education possible dissolves and results in all schools being closed. We are now at a time when works are judged by the good vibrations they help reinforce not by the information they might help spread. Most people in the American school system know that what they teach are lies and consider anybody who wants to teach truth as low IQ himself. Murray should rather have attacked education as we know it now as one of the main dangers extant not only for the genome but for America as well as for the planet. He should not have inststed that much upon race and genetics but on how too much schooling is bad for both the gifted and the under-gifted, both the Whites and the Blacks and how both would benefit from less indoctrination.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
  105. GenFranco says:
    @onebornfree

    Because it’s 2021 I have to consider the real possibility that you are not a Rand fan but an obese marxist LARPing as an Objectivist in order to discredit Rand and her views with quote-bombing and snark (and a juvenile use of emojis).

    Let me be the first to congratulate you on your success in making Randians look like simpletons. Anyone Rand-curious would, after reading your remarks here, scratch Objectivism off their list.

    We shoot. We score.

  106. @Anon

    The American Founders’ ideals were a Jewish-sponsored project to destroy and preclude what Jews wanted least, a Christian utopia as was then the dream of most grassroot Americans : a Christian state without feudal overlords being given undue privileges to defend it militarily. The American constitutional project had even more to do with Jewish supremacism than the 1917 revolution in Petrograd. Most first founders were Jews themselves actually when they were not jewer than jew masons. B’nai B’rith was founded in America as an American-born organization to conquer the world for Jews, it was not an organization conquering America from without for Jews.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @Anon
  107. I don’t know that I’d dignify it with the name “Murrayism”, for his core delusion is shared by many who didn’t get it from him. A most literate proponent, I’ll give him that.

    The racial reality Murray cannot face is living together in peace and harmony was permanently taken off the table by the Democrats in the summer of 2020.

    The corollary to that (it’s only now sinking in for me) is that it was never on the table.
    Not ever. Not in the 1960s, not in the 1860s.

    We were deliberately deceived, but it worked so well because we wanted it so much.
    The usual suspects did their thing, but in the end we fooled ourselves.

  108. @Francis Miville

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…….that’s why voting was restricted to white land owners.

    That’s why CRT demonizes the Founding Fathers.

    That’s why the Jleft is tearing down statues all over the country.

    Because Washington and Jefferson were jews.

    I had no idea. Thanks for the clarification.

    • Replies: @anon
  109. @Francis Miville

    I was out boating around a local lake yesterday, forty feet below its peak level as runoff flows into the sea, where I watched a roadrunner, eagles and various migratory birds enjoy nature as much as I. It’s imagery like this that makes living in paradise worth defending, even if it’s only dreaming or imaginary. It also helps having a few bottles of wine around to sip into starry nights.
    Then I awaken to another beautiful day in paradise and repeat the cycle over again.
    I am truly blessed.

  110. CSFurious says:

    America will continue to decline and will more closely resemble South Africa in the near future. I do see America breaking up into smaller areas within the next 10 to 20 years.

  111. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage-the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. ” Ayn Rand

    No author has ever captured in writing ‘how women imagine men think’ like Ms. Alisa Rosenbaum, her penetration into the obtuse angles forming the framework of the feminine mind is unsurpassed.

  112. AndrewR says:
    @onebornfree

    Tell that to the jews and their anti white minions

  113. nsa says:

    “Ayn Rand blah blah blah…..”
    Alisa Rosenbaum is the reason Cliff Notes exist. Pompous unreadable prose with no feel for the English language, ridiculous stilted dialogue, incredibly trivial ideas, grandiosity enveloped in verbiosity enveloped in grandiosity….like those russkie nesting dolls.
    Stuff so bad even the Cliff Note version is unreadable.

  114. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    MLK’s daughter is open about her hatred of whites. The replies are full of white normiecons saying her father would be ashamed. In response, shitlibs and black kangz and kweens are (almost certainly accurately) correcting them.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1299340664409395202

  115. Mr. Dutton is hyping an author who believes Black People are stupid. Indeed, Mr. Dutton himself has a book at Amazon titled “How to Judge People by What They Look Like“. I won’t be reading it, but a review I found said he thinks “that those with ‘blonde hair and blues eyes’ have a higher intelligence.”

    Asbiro University claims to have “graduated” 3000 people in 11 years. It seems to be a glorified business conference whose website claims it is “The Only University where All Tutors are Entrepreneurs.”

    Mr. Dutton appears to be a guest lecturer at this joint.

    No, thanks.

  116. anon[750] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    You seem to love bashing Catholics for being shabbos goyim, yet it was the only Irish Catholic president JFK who was wacked for going against the Federal Reserve, CIA, and opposing Israel becoming nuclear. Meanwhile vast majority of Anglo Protestant-descended old stock Americans (not just Southern evangelicals) seem to be the true goyim sheeple that the jews love to use. Be honest, how many Protestants in America are red-pilled on the Jewish question?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Robert Dolan
  117. @nsa

    , incredibly trivial ideas,

    Name some, without the obvious dodge that they’re so trivial that you couldn’t be bothered.

  118. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Typical Ayn Rand: why say in 10 words what you can say in 100? Brevity is the soul of wit, and brevity is something no one associates with the author of the book Fountainhead or worse, Atlas Shrugged.

    So according to Ayn Rand, Charles Murray and all those who agree with him that intellect and character are affected by genetics is a racist? And she’s a conservative?

    “Conservative” Ayn Rand’s books pushed for individualism over collectivism(Atlas Shrugged), modernism over conservatism(Fountainhead), alongside her liberal co-ethnics in Hollywood through supposed “conservative” maverick characters like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood. The result is, whites adopted individualism wholesale and abandoned the church and other whites, eschewed beautiful classical music, art and architecture in favor of hideous and soulless modern art, music and architecture. Meanwhile, these same promoters of individualism and modernism on whites pushed for the exact opposite on ethnic minorities including their own group — collectivism over individualism. The result is what we see today: whites and conservatives divided and weakened from within, while minorities and liberals are strengthened and united.

    Perhaps it’s time for conservatives to rethink holding Ayn Rand as their icon.

  119. Exile says:
    @schnellandine

    Not real libertarians, not real capitalists, always the same copes.

    As an ex-Objectivist I used to say these kinds of things all the time.

    When no one is able to practice the “real” version of your ideology, maybe the problem is your fantasy ideology.

  120. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    poor Charly. he reminds me of how hitler described aktion t4’s target population.

    Hitler gave as examples Charles Murray who he said could only be “bedded on sawdust or sand” because he “perpetually dirtied himself” and “put his own excrement into his mouth”.

    These issues are pathetically misunderstood by Charles Murray. In a CNN interview reported in The New Republic (January 2, 1995), Murray declared “When I – when we – say 60 percent heritability, it’s not 60 percent of the variation. It is 60 percent of the IQ in any given person.” Later, he repeated that for the average person, “60 percent of the intelligence comes from heredity” and added that this was true of the “human species,” missing the point that heritability makes no sense for an individual and that heritability statistics are population-relative. In a letter to the editor in which Murray complains about being quoted out of context (January 30, 1995), Murray quotes more of what he had said: “. . . your IQ may have been determined overwhelmingly by genes or it may have been – yours personally – or overwhelmingly by environment. That can vary a lot from individual to individual. In the human species as a whole, you have a large genetic component.” The Bell Curve itself does not make these embarrassing mistakes. Herrnstein, the late co-author, was a professional on these topics. But the upshot of part of this essay is that the book’s main argument depends for some of its persuasive force on a more subtle conflation of heritability and genetic determination. And Murray’s confusion serves to underscore just how difficult these concepts can be, even for someone so numerate as Murray.

    typical HBDer like Charly and steve:


  121. anarchyst says:
    @anon

    There is a lot of misinformation about traditional Catholicism that needs to be addressed. In order to do so, one must look at the “roots” of traditional Catholicism in which the Roman Catholic Church was not formally commissioned until centuries after Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection.

    [MORE]

    To start, many people have the mistaken conception that all jewish sects were the same and that Jesus Christ was a member of the dominant jewish sect, the Pharisees.

    Actually, Jesus Christ’s bloodline was a part of the Essenes, a minor jewish sect, looked down upon by the Pharisees, but which espoused many Christian-like principles, which were contrary to Pharasaic doctrines. For example, the Essenes did not look down on or negatively on “outsiders” or gentiles, unlike their Pharisee brethren.

    This is where much of the hatred for Catholicism comes from especially from those who have a negative jewish animus. This is understandable, as today’s Catholicism not only absolved the jews of responsibility for Jesus Christ’s murder, but created another fiction, the jews being “our elder brothers”, thereby giving the jews “respectability” in Catholic circles, despite the vitriolic hatred that jews still have for both Catholics and Christians worldwide to this day. Pre-Vatican II Catholicism did not absolve the jews for Jesus Christ’s death. That all changed with the “coup” of Vatican II.

    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council did much to (attempt to) destroy traditional Catholicism, to which they have been partially successful. Those Catholics who came of age or grew up under Vatican II have no idea that the changes wrought were both encompassing and destructive to traditional Catholic teachings and doctrine.

    There are many Catholics who have never attended a Tridentine Mass, which is much more expressive and beautiful than the Novus Ordo Mass that is prescribed for today’s Catholics. In fact, the present “Pope” is attempting to restrict and eventually prohibit the celebration of the Tridentine Mass.

    This is a result of Vatican II which was actually a coup by both jews and to a lesser degree, Protestants.

    Fortunately, there are Catholic sects that still subscribe to pre-Vatican II teachings. Despite attempts by Rome to both marginalize them and eventually prohibit their practices, they are thriving.

    There are a few falsehoods about Catholicism that need to be corrected.

    One being that Catholics pray to saints…nothing could be further from the truth. Catholics venerate and honor saints but do not pray to them. Saints are looked upon as those who livied exemplary lives, being good examples to emulate. Those who have been martyred are especially honored as they gave their lives for the faith.

    Another fallacy is that Catholics have “graven images” in their churches which are biblically forbidden. Nothing could be further from the truth. Graven images are not biblically prohibited.

    It is said that Catholics do not follow the bible. Catholics do reference the bible, but do not follow it literally. Let’s not forget that the bible was written by men and that many passages were changed in order to espouse a certain viewpoint, a good example of the King James Version being established (and rewritten) to promote and codify the “rights of kings”–royalty over the rights of commoners.
    In more recent times, a charlatan named Schofield wrote his interpretation of the bible which elevated the jews to their present-day supremacist position.
    Sad to say, Protestants have bought the Schofield interpretation of the bible, “hook line and sinker”…not good. This is why Catholics recognize that the bible is to be used as a reference, not as the literal word of God as it has been written by men, and interpreted and reinterpreted by men.

    Let’s look at “indulgences” which are considered by some to be “get out of jail free” cards or permissions to “sin”. Although they were abused in the past, indulgences depend on those receiving them doing “good works”. Indulgences are not a fast track to heaven and should never have been thought of as such. Yes, there were abuses in the past and in certain situations to this day they still exist, one being marriage annulments. Since the Catholic Church expressly prohibits divorce, annulments are an easy way to get around the prohibition on divorce. Annulments, when successful declare that a valid marriage did not exist, most of the time immaturity being declared a reason. Of course, a large “donation” (indulgence) to the church can “grease the skids” and get an annulment approved. This is one area of Catholicism that needs to be researched.

    Another departure from Protestantism is the command for Catholics to do “good works”. Protestantism teaches that only the grace of God can assure “salvation” and that “good works” have absolutely no place in assuring salvation. Under Protestant doctrine, a person can be a ne-er-do-well, criminal or shyster, one who takes unfair and criminal advantage of his fellow man all of his life, and then on his deathbed proclaim his request for “forgiveness” and he will be “saved”. Something is definitely wrong with THAT picture…

    What Protestants seem to forget is that it was the Catholic Church that established hospitals, institutions of higher learning such as colleges and universities, and adopted scientific principles to guide humanity utilizing scientific observation and principles for the good of all mankind. Even if “good works” are not applicable to salvation, they can’t hurt.

    When it comes to unbridled capitalism, many of the successes of the Protestant leaders of capitalism (who became very wealthy beyond most people’s dreams) exercised their power ruthlessly without regards for their fellow man. Dog-eat-dog capitalism was the rule of the day—pay your workers the bare minimum, even not enough to exist on, while raking in the wealth for yourself, always pleading poverty. This is one reason why Catholics have not been as successful as Protestants in business. Catholic teachings required tempering unbridled capitalism with the need to look out for one’s fellow man—not a Protestant ethic.

    As to the primacy of the Pope, infallibility is a more recent phenomenon which deserves to be questioned. Infallibility is only supposed to apply to articles and doctrines of faith—not social issues. The pope cannot change the basic precepts of Catholicism. Recently, the mainstream media was taking the pope’s pronouncements on social issues as being under the blanket of infallibility—not true at all. The pope is a man just like any other and is subject to making errors in judgment when it comes to social issues of the day. However, Catholic doctrine cannot be changed.

    I have attempted to correct misconceptions that many good people have about the Catholic Church and faith. I welcome responses to my assertions and statements.

  122. anonymous[597] • Disclaimer says:

    The people who need to face reality are those on the alt-right. Currently, 10% of birhts are to Hispanic-white hybrids. While 40% are white. By the year 2100, there won’t be any pure white newborns in the US because of race mixing. Racial reality will simply be changed through mixing.

  123. JLK says:

    Charles Murray has an influential underground following. I wouldn’t say his works have failed.

  124. @john cronk

    “Absolutely correct. America is done for.”

    Only technological civilization is important. The sum of man’s useful knowledge and the rejection of animal behaviors by society. Both are under assault by primitive mindsets possessed by the majority of the world’s population.

    America is just one of many horses that civilization has ridden and it is now being put out to pasture.

  125. onebornfree says: • Website
    @GomezAdddams

    GA said: “Democracy worst form of government only outdone by anarchy.”

    “The market is a democracy in which every penny gives a right to vote.” Ludwig von Mises

    “The real bosses, in the capitalist system of market economy, are the consumers.”
    Ludwig von Mises

    Regards, onebornfree

  126. @Exile

    Perhaps someday you will understand that virtually all of your behaviors are derived from animal behaviors, not human behaviors.

  127. Insofar as “Murrayism” has failed to garner support in academia it is because “psychometrics” and socio-biology are debunked pseudosciences, not because of some evil liberal conspiracy to persecute the sainted Eugenicists who only care about the Truth (and have absolutely no political biases of their own.)

  128. @onebornfree

    “Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage-the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. ” Ayn Rand

    And yet, what goes for ‘anti-racism’ in the US is a game of ascribing moral, social or political significance to Jewish and black genetic lineage-the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry.

    And Rand was pro-Zionist and had a way of generalizing Jewish Israelis as individuals of progress while ascribing savagery to ALL Arabs.

    Now, I would half-agree with Rand. It’s stupid to assign virtues, values, or abilities to any individual based on his race. While certain races have more particular abilities and positive tendencies than others, it just doesn’t follow that just because one happens to be ____, one possesses those particular virtues/values. Germany produced many great musical composers, but most Germans had no musical talent. Singapore is relatively a cleaner country, but it too has corrupt people.
    Virtue even goes for religious affiliation. Just because one is a Christian doesn’t mean he acts Christian. Plenty of Buddhists are thugs and gangsters.

    But a saner concept of race-ism is NOT about ascribing virtues based on race. Rather, it’s a sense that an individual isn’t just some atomized creature defined by ideology or ideas but an inheritor of a long history, genetic and cultural and that he should have a sense of solidarity with others of his racial family. While every individual can claim something unique(especially if he’s gifted), so much of what he is the product of heritage and history in how he looks, what he alludes to, what he remembers, and etc. What is history but collectivity and continuity of memory? Biography is part of History.

    One should never assume that some individuals are better simply because they are of his or any tribe. He should always remind himself that there are cretins among his own kind and good people among other tribes/races. Still, his people are his people, just like his family is his family. He is part of the culture and history, and it’s his duty to preserve them and ensure their survival. Putting individuality at the center would maybe make sense if people could live eternally. But every individual is born, live, and die, and what really lives is the people-and-culture.

    Also, most individuals lack individuality. Rand’s hero individual is maybe one in a million. While the truly gifted can define their worth in terms of their genius, most people find meaning as part of a community and tradition. And even decadents who reject tradition and community go off to form their own subcultures or dogmaville, which is why most people fall under the spell of Toohey in THE FOUNTAINHEAD. Tooheyism is presented as villainous, but most people will always be Tooheyian, and therefore, the real solution is arrive at a better Tooheyism than fall for the delusion that Howard-Roarkism can be the model for most people, something that Rand herself didn’t believe because she went out of her way to show how Roark is innately superior in every way. He was born superior, with rare gifts of talent, will, and fiber.

    A better Tooheyism is found in IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE that takes community into account but for its good than for vanity of power, which is what Toohey is really about. He actually feels contempt for the masses but knows how to use them.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  129. @Exile

    Most of mankind’s social world is built by rules created and enforced by the State.

    So, the 400 million dead, \$100 trillion or so stolen, and a like amount destroyed in the 20th century, were because of the State, not because of its absence.

    When one is “only able to practice the REAL version of your ideology”, maybe the problem is your fantasy ideology.

  130. @anon

    Believe me, I take no great pleasure in speaking the truth about shabbos goy Catholics as fully half of my family is Catholic as well as a number of close friends.

    Ted Kennedy fronted for Celler and Javitz to open the borders.

    Roberts, ACB, and BK are shabbos goy SC judges and they do the bidding of the small hats for the most part.

    Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Biden, Pelosi…..I could go on and on…..doesn’t matter if they are on the right or the left, the Catholics in power go along with jewish globohomo.

    The current Pope takes his orders directly from the Sanhedrin…..he is a vile scumbag pos.

    Catholics vote LEFT for the most part.

    I’ve said many times that I do not understand this at all. On the issue of abortion alone I would think that Catholics would vote conservative, but they do not.

    So….I guess maybe it comes down to the possibility that Catholics aid the jews in nation wrecking because Catholics have a hard on for Protestants (and there is historical friction between the two groups)

    The greatest disappointment came from a Catholic professor friend, a highly intelligent person, head of the department at an elite college…..read The Culture of Critique,” praised Macdonald…..then voted for Hillary anyway……and swears that the “Democrats are not anti-white.”

    Are Catholics crazy? Stupid? Perverse?

    You tell me. I can’t figure it out.

  131. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Ron Unz is open to the idea of giving you a column. Why don’t you ask?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Truth
  132. vinteuil says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Corvinus may be the single busiest commenter on this site.

    14,000 comments, 2,000,000 words so far.

    I assume he’s being paid for this, based perhaps on some combination of word count & reactions.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  133. anon[750] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Of course, in the disgusting world of 2021, I’d say Catholics and Protestants, both elite and common folks, are equally on globohomo’s train. Don’t forget all those Southern Baptist Evangeli-cucks shilling for Israel and Mideast wars during the Dubya era (and still continuing today).

  134. Charles Murray says:

    I am also aware of a paradox: I want America to return to the ideal of treating people as individuals, so I have to write a book that treats Americans as groups. But there’s no way around it. Those of us who want to defend the American creed have been unwilling to say openly that races have significant group differences. Since we have been unwilling to say that, we have been defenseless against claims that racism is to blame for unequal outcomes. What else could it be? We have been afraid to answer candidly.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/last-men-standing-charles-murray-vs-ibram-x-kendi/

    I say:

    You gotta talk about group differences in IQ because if you don’t the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire will just use their propaganda apparatus to harp on about so-called “White Supremacy” and so-called “White Nationalism” and all the other anti-White propaganda endlessly repeated in the ruling class controlled mass media.

    Blacks and Mestizos/Amerindians are less intelligent, on average, than Whites and Northeastern Asians(Chinese, Koreans, Japanese…) and Blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA.

    Murray must be ignored when he frets about WHITES organizing politically to advance and defend their interests as WHITES, and Murray seems to be carrying water for the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

  135. vinteuil says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Oops – forgot about Priss Factor: 15,000+ comments, 3,000,000+ words.

    But I’m fairly sure that nobody’s paying that guy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Priss Factor
  136. @Forgotton_name

    Murray must be completely unaware that Jews exist

    Paradoxically, he pretends he’s unaware because he’s always aware of Jewish Power. Even in his disadvantaged and disgraced state, his only venue of respectability is through Jewish Power. While most Jews dump on him, some Jews(neocons) find him useful because, for all his talk of racial differences, he is hostile to white identity and utterly submissive to Zionism and Jewish supremacism. So, his books still get published by respectable press.
    If Murray spoke of the need for Wower(white power) and pointed to Jews as anti-white agents, he would lose whatever remains of his respectability. His last remaining credibility as a decent scholar would vanish, and he would be tossed in the same pen with Kevin MacDonald(who does name the Jew) and Jared Taylor(Senator-Geary-like craven cuck who won’t name the Jew despite Jews tarring-and-feathering his ass until the cows come home). He would lose all access to respectable community. I heard the bald-headed cuck lowlife voted for Biden. Now, I can understand not voting for Trump the scump but for Biden? Murray also bent over for ‘gay marriage’. If he’s gonna be craven, why not cuck all the way? The fool doesn’t know what he wants.

    Andrew Breitbart said politics is downstream from culture. It’s no less true that ideology is downstream from idolatry. If Murray was a bit more self-aware, he would understand why there’s such a taboo about blacks. After all, he self-imposes a taboo about Jews in his writings. He laments how others cannot speak honesty about the Black Problem, but he doesn’t probe as to why he cannot speak critically about the Jewish Question.
    Being less enamored of blacks, he can be more factual and rational in his discussion of them. But he is so enamored of Jews that he cannot write critically of them even though it’s the Jews who are slapping his silly bald head and cackling with hideous glee. In a Commentary piece, Charles Murray tackled the Harpending-Cochran theory on Jewish Intelligence. In a way, he took on a controversial topic, but it was such a gushing tone, and his last words were, “Uh gosh gee whiz by golly, maybe Jews are just the Chosen People… Can I suck you Jewish Wiener now?”
    So, while Murray is just controversial-courageous enough to ponder higher Jewish IQ(which makes some Jews nervous), it is only as flattery and hero-worship. It never occurs to Murray that IQ doesn’t equal virtue and that Jews have often used their higher smarts to do all sorts of no good.

    This is the idiotic side of HBD, a kind of IQ worship. Just like little boys worship baseball players based on batting stats, HBD clowns worship people based on IQ. As Jews are smarter, HBD-ers are in awe and dream of Jews finally coming around to their side. While Murray is right to admire higher IQ among Jews(as intelligence is pretty amazing), he is wrong to pretend that Jewish IQ = Jewish wisdom/virtue. But because he’s so devoted to IQ-worship, he seems incapable of critical perspective on Jewish Power.
    So, even though he talks of blacks and street crime, he doesn’t talk of Jews and white-collar crime. How many Russians died as the result of Jewish Rape of Russian Economy? How many Arabs/Muslims died as the result of High-IQ Jews in media, think-tanks, academia, and government pushing the Iron-Zion Curtain policy?

    If Murry had any sense, he’d realize that the silence about black pathology isn’t much different in kind from his silence about Jewish pathology. Just like his gushing reverence toward Jews shuts him up about the Jewish Question, the white awe of blacks as loud rappers, winning athletes, booty-shakers, long-dongers, and bellowing orators has made it impossible for them to think rationally or factually about the black problem.

    Indeed, what was the real appeal of MLK? His message of equality? Is that why he came to be deified? Or was it because he could holler and howl up a storm like King Kong of Morality? The Civil Rights Movement soon became a Racial Cult Movement. Not only was MLK howling up a storm as the new voice of god but there was Muhammad Ali whupping everyone and calling himself the greatest and there were so many white musical groups taking inspiration from black music. And it was eventually followed by Jungle Fever and white cuckery, sexual as well as spiritual.
    That is why white people cannot be rational about blacks. In MLK, they hear not just some reiteration of the founding principles of dead white males but the voice of god hisself; MLK be the real founding father or brotha.
    Blacks are seen as physical and spiritual superior race because of their racial attributes. This is why even black criminality cannot be seen rationally. When people worship something, even the terrible things it does is deemed as just and awesome. Did the Aztecs condemn their terrifying gods? No, they knelt before the gods and offered more sacrifices. Did the Jews ever blame their God for sending floods and pestilence and etc? No, God was always right, and Jews blamed themselves as unworthy and deserving of the punishment. Likewise, whites now worship blacks to such extent that whatever blacks does is divine. It’s divine gift, like jungle music, jungle fever, and jungle sports. Or, it’s divine retribution for bad whitey’s ‘racism’, historical, systemic, individual, subconscious, and etc. So, no matter what blacks do, they are righteous and justified whereas whites must find fault within themselves for the deserved punishment. It’s all about idolatry than ideology based on universal morality. Whites feel guilty about blacks cuz they see blacks as a wrong SUPERIOR people. Notice whites feel ZERO sympathy for Palestinian plight cuz Pallies are regarded as losers. And no one cares about ‘white trash’, brown, or yellow victims of black crime cuz they’re just a bunch of ‘losers’ or ‘lame’.

    [MORE]

    When whites were proudly race-ist in the past, they made sure blacks didn’t gain such power over whites. Even though whites didn’t spell it out, they understood that blacks posed a special threat to the white race because black guys could thump white guys and hump white women(infected with jungle fever). Whites understood the biological ‘raceality’ of nature and countered it with social race-ism. Because nature made blacks tougher and more aggressive than whites, whites needed social defenses against blacks.
    But the prosperity of post WWII years made whites drop their guard. They became more complacent, especially when white youths got turned onto black music. Also, the Cold War made US vie for hearts and minds of the non-white world, and so, the US had to suppress his ‘racist’ past and practices. Also, Jews took over the institutions and industries and figured on using ‘white guilt’ and ‘white fever’ for blacks to weaken and paralyze white identity and power.
    The combination of Jewish brains and black brawn proved fatal of whites who lost their crucial race-ist defenses. The result is the current American of Cuckery, Jungle Fever, Iron Zion, Idolatry of St. George Floyd, Merrick Garfinkle’s war on whites, and etc. And what do whites have as their spokesmen? Lindsey Graham and Ben Sasse. LOL.

    By the way, I haven’t read Chuck the Cuck Murray’s latest book, but I’ll bet he doesn’t discuss BAMMAMA or blacks are more muscular and more aggressive. If he did, I admit wrong. At any rate, THAT, more than IQ differences, explain why blacks are so problematic. If blacks were low IQ but were a bunch of Gary Colemans or Emmanuel Lewis, would they pose much of a problem? No, blacks are dangerous because they can whup the white race. Paradoxically, this danger that turns whites off to blacks also turns them onto blacks. Black-White relations is like one where a black guy beats up and humiliates a white guy who then cheers for a black athlete who beats up whites on TV. White guy hates a black guy for kicking his butt but then loves a black athlete beating a white athletes on TV. It’s the same in France and UK. The very white guy who hates being beaten up by African or Jamaican immigrants will worship the black athlete as his national hero. (And same thing is happening in Japan.) Sports Imperialism is very lucrative to blacks, and Jewish globalists know it’s a potent weapon for subverting national unity and pride among goyim. Black guy comes to France and beats up a white French guy, and the French cheer him as the New French National Hero. It’d be like Poles praising the German Wehrmacht as the New Polish Military. It’s utterly laughable.

    Not only Murray but Edward Dutton would rather discuss IQ because it’s drier and cleaner. Also, as whites have higher IQ than blacks, it makes them feel better. But the problem isn’t IQ. Lower IQ doesn’t necessarily translate into criminality. Poor whites are far less criminal than blacks. Mexicans aren’t high-crime. The real problem is blacks are tougher and more aggressive. If whites weren’t crazy about sports and pop music, black thuggery might be seen for what it is. But because this thug-advantage is sensationalized in sports(that defines American pride and even cult of virtue) and because pop music sensationalizes rappers as ‘prophets’, black bad behavior actually is tremendous profitable to blacks in terms of business and prestige.
    So, if Dutton wants to be serious, he needs to be more portnoic and discuss song-strong-dong factor than babble on and on about IQ. We need more vulgar discourse. When a surgeon must remove a cancer, he must cut into flesh and see the ugliness inside. To understand what is really happening, we need to understand that the real forces of power in history are ‘vulgar’ and crude. And only neo-fascism can deal with the pornographics of power. Not that one should surrender to such crudity of power. Rather, one should understand the true nature of power before finding ways to tame it. But idiot Murray lives with the fantasy that Real America was shaped by ‘founding ideals’. Total BS.

    If US had been settled by Imperial Germany under autocracy, it would have developed just the same. Germans had talent and the New Land had tons of great land and resources. Germany in the late 19th century was autocratic but shot past UK and, pound for pound, achieved more than the US.
    Meanwhile, democracy spread to Latin America, and the result has hardly been spectacular.

    The secret of American Rise was the Anglo-Germanic stock, something like the Protestant Work Ethic, property rights, and tons of resources and land to be exploited.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  137. @anonymous

    1. I never honed my writing skills.

    2. Counterpunching is my forte.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  138. Mefobills says:
    @John Johnson

    Nice examples of how caved-in-head Libertarian ideology is. It is bedtime stories for kiddies.

    Parenti explains how the world really works. Class interest and conspiracy are not part of Lolbertarianism, and don’t exist in their worldview. If something doesn’t exist, or there is no language, then you cannot resist.

    Empire is expensive, and it takes rents and usury to sustain it. To do so, requires war on the periphery, while extracting from the center.

    The center is then told Libertarian shibboleths, to disarm their intellect. The center is the heartland of producers, who build and make things.

    The periphery is warred upon, to then acquire foreign real assets, while the center is extracted from and abused with mass immigration and unequal taxes.

    All of this is “privateering” not government. The class interest and conspiracy evolve out of the free market, as free market ideology says that “markets are god.” In other words, Libertarianism is a faith based ideology, and its adherents cannot be swayed by facts, even when their very ideology is damaging to their own interests.

    Who wants their neighborhood to become Somolia?

  139. @onebornfree

    Rand was a plug-ugly liar whose reductive observation about race eviscerates the stereotyping individuals wisely engage in.

  140. @onebornfree

    Now can only be a libertarian in a country that allows them freedom.

    Rothbard was a Messias-Denying Jew whose thoughts Christians wrongly consider of value

  141. @Priss Factor

    The admiration of blacks took a wrong turn after the 60’s. Trinity has alluded to this. Black music used to be really great. Old R&B, soul, Isley Brothers, Al Green…..love songs, nice harmony, fairly positive messages for the most part. Bone Thugs even had some good songs, “Crossroads” for example.
    The turn came I think with gangster rap, and instead of innocent love songs the topics became guns and sex and drugs and gangs and hoes and killing.

    Of course the promotion of blacks is strictly a jewish endeavor…..and the jews have used blacks to tear down white society. The pattern is fairly clear in that blacks were initially presented as wholesome characters who learned to sing in the church choir…..then the jews turned the swtich and inverted the black artists into characters that now promote degeneracy.

    The very same pattern can be seen with what they do to little white girls….what’s her name….Hannah Montana…..or Brittany…..hard to keep track because they are all the same…..but they start out as innocent virginal Disney characters….next thing you know they’re shoving crosses up their cooch on stage.

    This is DELIBERATE. The jews establish a fan base for something that is fairly wholesome and positive, then they twist and pervert the product…..and before you know it your daughter is dressing like a slut and doing drugs and acting like a ghetto black….just like Arianna Grande.

    MLK was always a pos…..but the jews’ marketed him as a black savior….while he was fucking and beating the shit out of white prostitutes.

    The merchants do the marketing and promotion. It’s hard to blame our people for being duped.
    The Jmedia is just a tsunami of lies and nonsense.

    Recently someone made the comment that people are now separated between those who watch TV and those who don’t. That’s a pretty accurate observation.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Truth
  142. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil

    Oops – forgot about Priss Factor: 15,000+ comments, 3,000,000+ words.

    But I’m fairly sure that nobody’s paying that guy.

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • Agree: mark green
  143. vinteuil says:
    @Priss Factor

    Ron Unz is open to the idea of giving you a column. Why don’t you ask?

    1. I never honed my writing skills.

    2. Counterpunching is my forte.

    1: yes you have.

    2:no it isn’t.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  144. @vinteuil

    What might be useful for the site is a music section.

    1. There’s a rich history, classical and folk from around the world.

    2. Music is a major factor in fashion, culture, attitudes, and yes, politics.

    3. Boomers changed history, and their music culture was a big part of it.

    4. The main passion of many people, young and old, is music.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  145. @Robert Dolan

    White libby-dib mentality went from Uncle Tom’s Cabin to Jungle Jim’s Crib.

  146. Truth says:
    @anonymous

    His server farm isn’t big enough.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  147. Truth says:
    @Robert Dolan

    fairly positive messages for the most part. Bone Thugs even had some good songs, “Crossroads” for example.

    The turn came I think with gangster rap, and instead of innocent love songs the topics became guns and sex and drugs and gangs and hoes and killing.

    Missed it by, that much…

  148. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Murray got goaded into co-publishing The Bell Curve with Richard Hernstein. Hernstein wanted to brag about Jews having the highest IQ but was afraid no one would believe him since he’s a Jew, so he dragged in a goy to lend him legitimacy, then promptly died to leave Murray to deal with the commotion the book caused. Murray doesn’t have the status as a Jew to protect him, so he’s been a pariah ever since.

    In 2016, he went out of his way to denounce Trump and yet still got attacked by an angry mob at Middlebury College. He mistakenly thought they were only angry at him because of Trump, when in fact they only cared about him because of Trump. Now that Trump’s gone he’s gone back to his pariah status and being totally ignored. Meanwhile, he’s also annoyed the right by denouncing Trump and white nationalism so he’s in no man’s land.

    • Thanks: schnellandine
  149. Anon[862] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Engineering/natural science is useless?

    • Replies: @Realist
  150. @Robert Dolan

    Are Catholics crazy? Stupid? Perverse?
    You tell me. I can’t figure it out.

    Just when I think the current “pope” Frank can’t act any more un-Catholic, he outdoes himself.
    Apparently he has just met with pro-gay, pro-tranny, pro-abortion Joe Biden, and told him he was a “good Catholic.” And Frank is only part of the problem.

    As a one-time staunch Catholic, it saddens me to say that anyone still supporting the Church is simply ate up with the dumb ass.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  151. @onebornfree

    You are a nobody with no gravitas. Simply claiming gov’t does not work and positing another retard who makes the same claim means nothing.

    My city government works just fine. They shut down the rioters last summer lickity split. The streets are clean and the police keep order. Most cities in the USA are just like mine. Our water board is a government that has provided clean water to my city for decades. Our school board operates schools that teach kids to read write and do math. The schools are clean and well maintained.

    Your claim gov’t never works is retarded. I want to live in an orderly society and am willing to be taxed for it. You claiming I am being ripped off is idiotic.

    Go live in Somalia if you don’t like government. You won’t do that because you are a total fraud.

  152. @Truth

    Missed it by, that much…

    You just busted yourself. Niggers didn’t watch Get Smart.

  153. vinteuil says:
    @Priss Factor

    The main passion of many people, young and old, is music.

    Well, yeah.

    Remember that Ali G bit where Sascha Baron Cohen asks Donald John Trump what’s the most popular thing in the world – & Trump immediately answers: music?

    And then Ali G counters with: no – ice cream! – at which point Trump contemptuously shuts down the interview…

    Music is not only more popular than ice cream – it might even be more popular than sex.

    Which, from an evolutionary point of view, is a bit of a puzzle.

  154. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I wonder how old Murray has to get before he finally realizes that he was used by the Jews to legitimize the claim that Ashkenazi Jews are the smartest race on earth. Thanks to that claim from The Bell Curve, they could legitimately demand maximum spots in elite college admissions, faculty and admin positions, and grab top spots across all fields from journalism to law, medicine, finance, business, politics, and politicized/guilt-tripped the Nobel committee into giving them lots of Nobel prizes after WWII.

    If Jews were so smart, why didn’t they come up with the industrial revolution? Invented planes, trains, automobiles, or computers? Put man on the moon? Built the most beautiful cities and churches? Developed most of the vaccines? Wrote the most beautiful operas, classical music, ballet, the most enduring classic literature? Developed classical scientific, math theories and philosophy? Instead, all they could muster was hideous architecture like Bauhause and Brutalism, and hideous music like Bob Dylan’s. The only thing Jews are good at is selling, anything – others’ inventions, ideas, lies…we all know what makes a good salesman – they are the best bullshitters, dishonest and shameless.

    Some time before he dies, I hope Murray finds the courage to tell the truth: that Jews succeed not because they are the smartest but because they are most dishonest and clannish. They only thrive in Protestant white societies because Protestant whites are the most honest, trusting people and, the dishonest always makes the honest look stupid by comparison. They even have a word for it, it’s called “chutzpah”, which Alan Dershowitz claims is behind the Jews’ success. It means “shameless dishonesty” in English. Notice the Jews didn’t achieve similar success in the Soviet Union or elsewhere, because the Ruskies and others who are equally dishonest were on to their game soon enough.

    Murray needs to tell the world that Ashkenazi Jews are not only not the smartest tribe on earth, but are in fact among the wickedest, responsible for destroying the best civilization in history solely due to jealousy and need for revenge, like what Salieri did to Mozart in Amadeus.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  155. @Truth

    Not sure what your point is……Bone Thugs “Crossroads” is actually a very positive message regarding God’s judgement. I’m a guitar player so I am well aware of Robert Johnson, Eric Clapton, etc.
    The Clapton/Cream version of “Crossroads” is one of my favorite tunes.

    But the topic at hand is black music and how it has steadily degenerated.

    I think Bone Thugs got a Grammy for this (best rap performance)

  156. vinteuil says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Are Catholics crazy? Stupid? Perverse?

    The Holy Roman Catholic & Apostolic Church today may be the best illustration ever of the third of Robert Conquest’s three laws:

    The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.

  157. @Realist

    Truly, that’s then pitiful!

    • Agree: Realist
  158. @GomezAdddams

    “Democracy worst form of government only outdone by anarchy”

    Well, since anarchy is the absence of government that is completely meaningless. And within the various forms of government all are bad so size is more important than type. As per Ringo, everything government touches turns to crap and if it is able to touch everything then it is highly likely everything will be crappy.

  159. @James Scott

    “Your claim gov’t never works is retarded. I want to live in an orderly society and am willing to be taxed for it.”

    It works very well for those running it. Always has. And I’m fairly certain most people want to live in an orderly society.

    The point of contention is how to create one. I’m not at all interested in government killing hundreds of millions of people, nor stealing many many trillions of dollars to do that and, for a bonus, easily destroy as much wealth.

    Sane people keep predatory animals out of society. I am one of those people – keep the predatory animals out of society.

    Including those like yourself who pretend to be human.

    • Agree: schnellandine
  160. Treg says:

    Well Hello, Hello, Hello! America is done for, its all over for her. Well not so fast Professor Dutton. Let’s recall what makes societies and nation-states grow into being, rise and fall and get absorbed in the first place. And no, IQ is not a the relevant factor.

    But, yes i do agree with professor Dutton that its always darkest before the dawn, but then again, its not even dark yet, in America its still twilight. And so no, she’s not gone. Its depressing, yes I am sure of it, but she is not gone.

    Lets again think back to what are the relevant factors that create a nation-state, why they arise and expand and fall and get absorbed in the first place. Once you remind yourself of these things, you will realize that America, or “She” is just a few power equations behind 8 ball, that’s all.

    Perhaps we can all agree that power is found within a nest of culturally enforced power equations and all those relationships rest upon one thing, “the technology of power” itself. And as the “Cost of the Technology of Power” rises or falls, so do civilizations. Watch them over time, here (enjoy or turn down music): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI.

    Anarchists are a funny lot, they are against the State, yet cannot see that Mankind creates the State as naturally as do Robins build nests in the fall. Understanding the fundamentals of how and why Nation-States are created in the first place, will help us all understand better America’s twilight hours, as well as a crazy course that could easily happen and turn the lights of Liberty & Individual Rights right back on, and even shining brightly. Perhaps Professor Dutton would enjoy watching that old show “Connections” to get kind of an insight to what I am speaking of here.

    The Cost of the Technology of Power, which way is it going? Which way do you & I want it to go? Once we get that part right, then our arms and legs can pull together in the same direction on the very long social rope. The short answer is we want the Cost of the Technology of Power to go down, not up. We want it to go down to the individual level and the technology to be well distributed. There is much more to say here, but that is enough for now.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  161. @anon

    High IQ whites FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR outnumber high IQ jews by hundreds of thousands, simply by the fact that our population is so much larger.

    Yes, jews get ahead by utilizing ingroup preference that they disallow for us. (This is not going to continue, however.)

    Let’s not make this a shit on Murray comment thread. The man has balls to deal with race and IQ, period. He’s a decent man and should not be vilified.

    “The Bell Curve” was one of my big redpills and ranks up there with the must reads:
    The Gulag Archipeligo
    The Culture of Critique (all of KMAC’s work)
    The Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds
    The Israel Lobby
    My Awakening (all of Duke’s work)
    The Holocaust Industry
    David Irvings books and lectures

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
  162. Maddaugh says:

    Murray is another of those academics who chill in their rocking chair and wax about how the world operates ie in their illusions and delusions.

    Unfortunately, reality always makes an unexpected appearance and an unwelcome visit and both academics and the average reader is forced to concede that 99% of the stuff coming from these “Experts” is sheer drivel.

    Yet, they continue to vomit up all their nonsense to the vulgar applause of their similarly silly colleagues.

    The “”rabble, the deplorables, the scum of society, the filth of the gutter, the uneducated or the educated with just a high school diploma”” are far too street smart and sharp sighted and after a few seconds reading or listening to the piffle of the highly educated. come to realize that what they think and say is just more hogwash, shaken and stirred (LOL) and served in a fine glass.

    Alas, only the fawning upper class and elite seem to sip all this rectal brew, or at least they appear to because it is a proven fact that the ones who cheer enthusiastically and heap on the praise, in their private moments, hate themselves for being false and the ass kissers of jackasses…..like Murray !

  163. Black guy says:

    I only come here for the geopolitical news and events. Most of the audience here mostly white racist who can’t fathom there entire institutions are collapsing ,and point the blame on others when clearly it is their group that is in charge and control. John Derbyshire and the other racists on these sites make it seem like black own and control their political organizations and have sway over political process in the country. America is founded on white supremacy hell the entire so called “ rules based order “ is white supremacy. Stop acting your like victims when you are clearly the perpetrators

  164. @Treg

    Actually…..IQ is the primary determinant regarding GDP and most other gauges of societal success.

    Prior to the jews’ destruction of western nations by opening the borders, Christendom was far and away the most successful human experiment in history.

    For an education (and I know I repeat myself….sorry!) google world maps for “IQ correlates with crime,” and “IQ correlates with GDP.”

    And there’s even a humorous map for “IQ correlates with penis size” (an inverse correlation)

    Such maps are an education in themselves because they reveal secrets in stark graphs what race realists have been saying for many years.

  165. Anon[862] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tucker

    So individualism is about being all alone, not about the absence of forced “cooperation”/”altruism”?

  166. Anon[862] • Disclaimer says:
    @Black guy

    Jews are quite influential? It’s not unheard of that white people fight among themselves (various European tribes), and some of them enter into alliances with nonwhites.

  167. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Francis Miville

    You are the tipical jew that wish to subject everything to the ” judeo – cristian ” narrative in sintony with the ones spawned by jews.

    The american founders no matter how much you wish to claim were inspired like their european counterpart previously by the seculralist and humanist view ​that wanted to recreate the glory of ancient graeco roman world , a long process that started hundred years before in the reinassance .

    All of the founding fathers were well educated people and the classical education was almost fully based on the Roman and Greek studies. Their heroes were the Roman republicans and defenders of liberty. All of the Founders’ Roman heroes lived at a time when the Roman republic was being threatened by power-hungry demagogues, bloodthirsty dictators and shadowy conspirators. The Founders’ principal Roman heroes were Roman statesmen: Cato the Younger, Brutus, Cassius and Cicero — all of whom sacrificed their lives in unsuccessful endeavors to save the republic.

    The larping went as far that every one of the founding fathers identified thenselfs
    with distingished figures of the roman roman republic

    “”-George Washington: others were calling him American Cincinnatus. While he preferred to call himself Cato the Younger,
    John Adams was called Cicero, the greatest attorney of the ancient world,
    Besides their differences with Adams, Thomas Jefferson was called Cicero too,
    James Madison was known as Publius (Valerius Publicola),
    Alexander Hamilton was most surprisingly identified with Caesar.
    John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Callee hinself Publius (Cornelius Tacitus).”

    “”The legislative processes they utilized — veto, sine die — were Latin. Many of their political symbols the eagle, the fasces, the image of a leader on a coin were Roman in inspiration . America’s advent of the executive, judicial, and legislative branches were directly derived from the Ancient Roman model, the architecture of the capitol , supreme court…. were consciously selected to mimic the architectural splendor of ancient Rome.” ”
    Etc , etc etc

    There are a lot of books that cover this thematic , this peer reviewed article is a good start with bibligrafical sources if you want to deep later on .

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/494218

    Even masonry in ots origin is nothing is more than other spawn of the italian reinassance whose original founding myth and ” heroes” are purely european in origin , in the regious poem( the first masonic proto constitution) is related how ancient helenes created and difunded science revering those artisans and scientists as the new secularist gods of the masonic cult , is hundred years later with the rise of jewish power in the 18 century in england that masonry is coopted and its founding myth and heroes end up judaized .

    Jews like you can still proudly claim the intelectual creation and difusion of postmodernism , comunism and cristianity lol.

  168. @Black guy

    You are quite an unintelligent fellow, spewing mealy mouthed bullshit.

    Whites are not in control of anything; jews control nearly everything.

    jews use dumb blacks to destroy white nations.

    Blacks don’t own and control any organizations that I know of. All of the black organizations are actually controlled and funded by jews. The NAACP was started and run by jews for many years. BLM is funded and run by jews. I could go on and on.

    Your main problem is low IQ and low impulse control…..race envy….and anti-white bigotry.

    Yes, entire institutions are collapsing because the jews are engineering the collapse. The ordinary white person has no control over anything, has no voice, no power whatsoever…..
    while negroes run wild in the streets, burning and looting and killing people.

    Now that I’ve educated you on what is happening, say thank you and get the fuck out of here.

  169. @Robert Dolan

    At least dolan is not bitching about the jews .He can give them a break.for now. And the rest of the clowns that think catholics and the jews run the world can have a voice.

  170. Allow me to ask a question that is going to sound conspiratorial: is Charles Murray a CIA operative whose written works are meant to divide people? Early in his career, Murray worked for the CIA in its covert counter insurgency program in Thailand. Murray admits his worldview was formed by what he learned in those Thai villages. Sure, Murray advocated against government intervention in rural villages. But there are other questions about Murray.

    In 1989, Murray and Catherine Cox co-authored Apollo: The Race to the Moon. But the last time anyone from any country landed on the moon was 1972. Why has no other nation land there? Were these moon landings a hoax to further a psy ops to puff up the image of American power? Astronaut Buzz Aldrin admitted on TV that the moon landings were “animated”. Astronauts placed a reflector on the surface of the moon that still works today. But was the reflector placed there by humans, or by robot? Again, was Murray’s book yet another CIA operation?

    [MORE]

    Murray’s writings propound a social fiction of sorts that there is a difference in intelligence by race as manifested in a paper and pencil test of IQ. But Murray, unlike say Thomas Sowell, doesn’t point out that Blacks who emigrated to the US from the West Indies have high IQ’s and are very successful. How did this come about? Because of the cultural legacy of British Colonialism and schooling. West Indian Blacks have more “modernized” minds but not destroyed family structures (see sociologist Peter Berger, The Homeless Mind: Modernization and Technology).

    Again, if I were a conspiracy theorist I would suspect that Murray’s role is to perpetuate the social construction of racial inferiority of American Blacks to brain wash conservatives that Blacks are inherently inferior and to brain wash policy makers into justifying Affirmative Action (while at the same time condemning it). Isn’t this just an intended diversionary tactic to keep us from seeing the real racism afoot in America on the part of the Left?

    The horrible legacy of Reconstruction, the War on Poverty, the ruining of urban schools, have decimated Black families, co-opted Black religion (ML King and his speech writer Stanley Levison), destroyed Black males perhaps except for professional sports, as well as denying Blacks real property which is a financial legacy that can be passed on. There is now no way to assess intelligence based on a paper and pen test (that actually measures the degree of modernization of the mind, not race). IQ is a diversion to keep us from seeing how social policies have ruined the intellect of American Blacks. Blacks are culturally “backward” having been confined to plantations, ghettos, and now brain washing re-education camp universities.

    American conservatives and libertarians can be seduced into believing Murray’s social construction of racial reality without recognizing that social class and culture, not race, are more important. And religion, however co-opted, is also important. American liberals and Leftists don’t need to be so seduced because they are the fabricators and beneficiaries of such a social fiction. There is no such thing as race — but there is culture and class.

    Italian sociologist Vilfredo Pareto wrote: “When it is useful to them, men can believe a theory of which they know nothing more than its name….Men follow their sentiments and self interest, but it pleases them to imagine that they follow reason”. Such is the theory of Charles Murray, diversionist par excellence.

    White males also have been so discriminated against that they may want to believe in Murray’s studies that “prove” there are inherent racial differences in intelligence. But beyond confirmation bias, is there anything at all to Murray’s IQ studies beyond a psy ops?

  171. The worst tragedy that can befall a man of stature is that he is ignored. No one on the other side will engage with Murray because (a) they know they would lose the conversation and (b) ignoring him will serve to marginalize him.

    I’ve read all his books. I am a fan. Charles Murray is a gentleman and a scholar.

    Neither of those qualities are useful in today’s collapsing nation, empire, society. Calm dispassionate intellectualizing is so yesterday. The angry parents in front of the Loudon County school board recently are more effective than a Charles Murray, despite Murray’s almost certain intellectual superiority.

    Anger and fighting are the only weapons now. Those may likely fail, but who knows? Maybe some good will come of the anger and fighting.

    But a cogently argued book with irrefutable claims and evidence that cut against the narrative? Doesn’t matter a whit.

  172. Polistra says:
    @JackOH

    So your n=1 survey of family businesses proves that white people are racist. You could get a job with the MSM providing news analysis, what with that incisive mind of yours. If only there weren’t 50 million brainwashed people just like you, ahead in line.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  173. Charon says:
    @Tucker

    These stories, along with similar ones from South Africa, are suppressed by the mass media but are too numerous and credible to dismiss.

    My only question, in the context of the story you related, is what’s happening meanwhile with the farms owned by the four or five other guys who’ve come to help.

    Because in the real world, one or more of them are being attacked at the same time. What happens with those farms? What happens with those families, the women and children?

    This is frankly a matter of some urgency because the story is actually a microcosm of what’s happening to white people in our western societies today.

    And it clarifies why our ‘tribal’ enemies have made vilification and eradication of white solidarity their number one focus.

  174. @vinteuil

    I’d be Bill Gates if I got paid for posting stuff.

  175. onebornfree says: • Website
    @James Scott

    “You are a nobody with no gravitas. Simply claiming gov’t does not work and positing another retard who makes the same claim means nothing. My city government works just fine.”You are a nobody with no gravitas. Simply claiming gov’t does not work and positing another retard who makes the same claim means nothing. My city government works just fine.”

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Government doesn’t work” Harry Browne
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Regards” onebornfree

  176. JackOH says:
    @Polistra

    Polistra, my use of “her company” likely suggested to you she was a proprietor or co-proprietor of a business owned by herself or her family. She was a trustee of a public institution with no formal hiring authority, but plenty of influence. The hiring was nepotistic, not racist, but still non-AA, non-meritocratic, and I know for a fact the man (an elderly sick White guy already on a full government pension) was not fully able to do his job.

    There was some ambiguity or lack of clarity in my comment.

  177. Realist says:
    @Anon

    Engineering/natural science is useless?

    Where did I say that? STEM is essential to an advanced technological society. My comment was Nothing of value is manufactured in NY, LA, and SF, or any other large city.…give an example where this is wrong. Most colleges that are strong in STEM studies are in small to medium-sized cities.
    The subject was manufacturing areas.

    I have a STEM degree.

    Here is a list of United States technological universities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_technological_universities
    All but one are located in small to medium-sized cities.

    Try to stay on point.

    • Replies: @Anon
  178. @vinteuil

    I think he’s just retired with time on his hands for the only blog that hasn’t banned him.

  179. I have heard Charles Murry speak in an interview with the Glen Loury.

    I found him to be a very thoughtful and erudite speaker who presents his material in a completely non-partial manner that many have taken issue with for seemingly no reason.

    Mr. Murray is certainly one who is completely open to civil debate as he should be but unfortunately, many today cannot see the realities beyond their own rose-tinted glasses (as they used to say)…

  180. @Black guy

    You are correct, that many articles on this site elicit all forms of racist drivel from very unintelligent people. However, there are quite a few writers that make an attempt to write cognizant pieces that attempt to get valid points across.

    It is my belief that it is the Black organizations in the United States will help this country lift itself out of the current abyss we are currently facing falling into.

    However, on the other hand there are quite a few members of the Black Community who are as racist as the people you find here. And they foment as much hatred as any White racist may.

    And no, neither side has any legitimate excuse for it…

    For example, recently at Rutgers University, a Black professor has announced that Whites should be “taken out” among other diatribes. She should be immediately fired as anyone should for spouting such asinine statements about anyone. A White professor who said such things would be but Rutgers has gone silent on the issue.

    Does this do anything for the reduction of racism in the US that you want to see? I think not. Just as coddling racist Whites does not do anything.

    So what do we do? Do we continue to spite each other when we need each other more than ever. Or do we just devolve into internecine violence among Whites, Blacks, other peoples of color, Republicans and Democrats, and all the other lunacy that The Left can conjure up with their idiotic concerns over gender?

    The United States is devolving into a quagmire of hatred and discord that if not remedied will surely destroy us leaving no one with anything…

  181. vinteuil says:
    @Truth

    Oops, sorry – forgot all about you, Troof.

    17,000 posts, 850,000 words.

    Compared to 587,287 words in War & Peace.

    That’s some serious trolling.

    • LOL: schnellandine
    • Replies: @Truth
  182. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    There’s no Engineering/natural science being utilized in NY, LA, and SF, or any other large city, in contribution to the manufacturing of something of value?

    • Replies: @Realist
  183. @Black guy

    “Most of the audience here mostly white racist…”
    “…who can’t fathom there entire institutions are collapsing”
    “make it seem like black own and control…”
    “Stop acting your like victims…”

    Your lack of education and poor command of English only help validate much of what us mean old “racists” say. And you saying our “entire rules based order is white supremacy” is especially funny, as I have told people for years that the vast majority of blacks honestly cannot comprehend or abide by the White-invented “Rule Of Law.” Thanks for the confirming that you and most of your racial cousins simply cannot conceive of laws or civilized behavior. That such concepts are alien, “White-supremacist” ideals.

  184. @anon

    “Totally ignored?” “Facing Reality” has 613 reviews on Amazon. Not huge, but a few people paid attention.

  185. @Robert Dolan

    What makes you think Black guy is a black guy? Probably some jew broad working for the ADL or SPLC.

  186. Murray says the IQ of the average black american is 91. More like 65. Murray is controlled opposition.

  187. Truth says:
    @vinteuil

    Well, I mean, I love Tolstoy but it could credibly be argued that my canon has more international and historical influence.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @vinteuil
  188. Murray’s book is clear, concise, and well-argued. But I’m not really sure who he was trying to convince… It’s not even for most conservatives: they know these things even if they are careful not to discuss them, let alone review books that discuss them.

    But then, why are ‘conservatives’ afraid to discuss such subjects? Why do they submit to the taboo and remain silent or speak only in whispers among one another, and worse, more often than not, condemn others in their camp when such individuals are exposed as having spouted such views?

    Why is it that people know the facts but fear to speak them? Part of the reason may be careerism and peer pressure, but it’s not like people will be dragged off to concentration camps and be shot. Or literally burned at the stake. Why the excessive fear then?

    It’s because even ‘conservatives’ have internalized the faith-based sacraments of the current idolatry. Even if they know about the Black Problem, they too worship MLK, believe in America’s ‘historical sin’, and hope for redemption via the coming of some Magic Negro. And they are too are so enamored of blacks as sports and music stars that they are too starry-eyed about blacks as idols and ‘heroes’ that they cannot speak the facts. After all, the taboos around ‘racism’ only really applies to blacks. To be ‘racist’ means to be blaspheme against the idolatry of black coolery and cast doubts on the coming of the Magic Negro as messiah.
    Also, as ‘racism’ has been so relentlessly associated with Nazism, KKK, and ‘white supremacism’, anything suggestive of even the slightest hint of ‘racism’ is immediately associated with Extremism. Such association occurs both institutionally and psychologically. The Jewish-run media go all out to associate even the cuckish likes of Charles Murray with ‘white supremacism’ and ‘extremism’, and all those who came under PC-indoctrination have been conditioned to immediately connect with any sign of ‘racism’ with the most extreme forms of murderous hatred.
    No wonder then that so many kids in elite colleges react to the invitation of Charles Murray as if the Grand Wizard of the KKK has been invited to speak to the student body.

    Facts are cold but Faith is warm, and people prefer fuzzy warmth. Also, the art of hope is an easier way to cope than dealing with hard facts that call for real action. Facts about blacks imply we must find ways to deal with the harsh reality, but Faith about blacks allows people to ignore inconvenient facts and keep dreaming for a better future where blacks finally realize their messianic role and serve to redeem the white race from sin.
    This is why people react to violently to Black Facts or ignore them altogether. Trying to shake them out of Faith is like taking away their security blankets. So many ‘liberals’ and even ‘conservatives’ are really delusionals.

    Of course, in the long run, their Faith will destroy them as they refuse to face up to the stark facts about blacks and what they mean for the white race. But, they’d rather kick the can into the future and cling to the hope that things will somehow turn out alright if they worship MLK enough and sing paeans to St. George Floyd. And Jews want it this way because white spiritual and sensual submission to blacks means the extinguishment of white identity and pride, all the better for Jews to manipulate and exploit white energies.

    To understand the power of Faith, consider the modern ‘conservatives’ who are very much part of the secular world but still believe in God. Now, they’ve gone to the same modern schools and studied science. They know there’s no factual evidence of God or empirical data on miracles. But they still believe in God. Why? It just so happens that their sense of the sacred is deeply meaningful to them regardless of evidence. Secular ‘Liberals’ might scoff at such incorrigible ‘conservative’ need for Faith, but they are fooling themselves because most so-called ‘liberals’ are no less psychologically prone to faith-thinking. They may not believe in Jesus as the Son of God but, for some reason or other, they believe they see the holy in the homo’s anus or George Floyd’s thug-face consecrated by the Jewish-run media and academia. They may not go for communion but line up to wash stinky Negro’s feet. And they’d rather repeat the dogmatic catechisms of Political Correctness than question all things with a critical mind.

    So, if people really want to address the issue of PC or ‘wokery’, the approach must be psychological as well as factual. One must get to the psychological ROOT of why people allow faith-centered feelings take precedence over facts and logic. It’s like the ending in STAR WARS. It wasn’t enough to blast at the exterior of the Death Star. Luke Skywalker had to shoot laser beams into its very core to blow it up. When facts are lobbed at the ‘woke’ or timid ‘conzos’, they hardly dent the ideological armor. One must penetrate into their interior and strike at the idolatrous root.

    Now, what distinguishes whites from Jews and blacks(and Hindus and some others) is that so many root for the other team. Most Jews and blacks(and Hindus) root for their own team, and this is simply natural. So, their worldview has less to do with facts or faith than with simple fidelity to their own kind. They are into Fidelism, or belief in fidelity to one’s own race, tribe, ethnicity, nation, or etc. Fidelity is more basic than faith. It’s like one’s fidelity to one’s family has little to with ideology, spirituality, or morality. It’s just a sense of belonging and gut loyalty. Whites used to be fidelist, i.e. they believe in the fidelity between whites and white lands, between white men and white women, between white parents and white children, between white elites and white masses, between white heritage and white future. But fidelism broke down among blacks, and whites are losing because Jews and blacks(and Hindus) are still in fidelist mode.

    Many whites reject fidelism and go for faithism, which makes them root for the other side. Faithism imbues many whites with the magical myth that Jews and blacks are holier than whites whereas whites are almost irredeemably tainted with the historical ‘sin’ of ‘racism’, ‘slavery’, and ‘antisemitism’, which means the ONLY way whites have any hope of salvation is by cucking to Jews and Blacks as their masters. Unless whites regain their fidelist ways, they are finished because whites are divided between those who still cling to some vestiges of fidelism and those who are full-fledged faithists who believe the highest holiness emanates from Jews and blacks(and homos, even if they’re white, which is why whites favor white homos over white real-sexuals).

  189. Realist says:
    @Anon

    There’s no Engineering/natural science being utilized in NY, LA, and SF, or any other large city, in contribution to the manufacturing of something of value?

    Correct…or very little. If you think differently, state your case with examples…I have asked before only to have you ignore it.

    The fact is the production of essentials, scientific research and education happens in small to medium-size cities.

    This country would do just fine without large cities…people in large cities would perish without the support of people in flyover country.

  190. vinteuil says:
    @Truth

    I love Tolstoy

    Well, you should. The gullible goodwhite lefty par excellence.

    Personally, I have a hard time deciding which of his excretions I despise the most.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  191. @Exile

    When no one is able to practice the “real” version of your ideology, maybe the problem is your fantasy ideology.

    Pulled that out of your flashcard pile for internet arguments?

    Yes, there’s a running joke about ‘real’ whatever after something fools pushed ended in disaster. Irrelevant to the thread you entered, which was about people who can’t even figure out what libertarianism is, not how it allegedly performed somewhere. Worse, things that were not pushed by libertarians, and which have nothing to do with libertarianism, are blamed on liberty after failure.

    Happened in this same thread, when a situation created by the commenter’s state hero was blamed on libertarianism. It’s almost funny witnessing the flails.

    Worse than that, people who weren’t even libertarian—usually a woman who complained that she wasn’t a libertarian and shouldn’t be mistaken for one—are hung in effigy as evidence that libertarianism sucks. Anything to avoid discussing libertarianism. Like watching robots running into walls.

    On the other hand, there are a bunch of stupid people calling themselves libertarians, so casual, ignorant confusion is almost understandable. But you’re just flash-carding without thought.

  192. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    1000 years ago the average Arab had a higher IQ than the average German. 1000 years before that the average German had the same average IQ as the average subsaharan African with black Africans in Sudan/Ethiopia having higher IQs.

    I believe genetics and IQ’s are correlated only when there is a soft-eugenics event such as the strong but dumb men dying in wars while the smarty pants and risk averse avoid it. The average black African is more violent and hardy than the average German not because he is naturally more violent and hardy but because Germans have removed those genes from their gene pool and opted to have a higher IQ populace. Education is ultimately the key to increasing IQ’s and thus improving the wealth of a nation.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  193. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    oohh. . . Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. . . boy you’re a real sensitive type aintcha?

    Dude, are you still holding that grudge about the black dude who stole yer first girlfriend and his friends who beat on you in front of her? True her laughing at you was cruel but that was just her you know.

    ps: The other guys from “?? high-school”who pulled yer pants down in front of the girls in gym class say “hi” as well. We’re real happy to meet yer again Bobby, real happy. Couldn’t believe it when I first heard. . . but ahhh .. . Bobby, Bobby. . . we’re gonna have so much fun with you again it’ll be just like high school all over again . . .

    Promise. LOL!!!

    • Replies: @Automatic Slim
    , @anon
  194. @anon

    This is one of the more childish and unoriginal comments I’ve ever seen on Unz. That means you are either an average black or a dumber-than-average jew or White liberal.

    I’d rather have 100 Robert Dolans living in my neighborhood than one of you.. whatever you are.

  195. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    There’s a high chance that Bobby contributes more to the betterment and well-being of society than his high school negroe rival that stole is white coal burning slut gf.

  196. @nsa

    Been 4 days. Improve the world with your list of AR’s ‘incredibly trivial ideas’.

    • Replies: @nsa
  197. nsa says:
    @schnellandine

    Hi Schnell,
    The wretched old jewess pushed the “objectivist” idea that “no man may obtain any value from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others”……except if you happen to be an American Indian or indigenous Palestinian. The ole coot actually claimed white euros were fully justified in invading the new world, slaughtering the indigenous population, and stealing what little they had. Likewise, the ugly old jewess claimed her vile little tribe was fully justified in invading Palestine, slaughtering the indigenous population, and stealing what little they had. In short, besides being a hypocrite, her actual outlook was little more than a talmudic version of the trivial sandbox idea that Might Makes Right.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  198. @nsa

    In other words, not trivial. Her primary ideas were so not trivial that, after running into one obtuse fool after another, she felt pressure to restate them 10 different ways, each more expansive than the other, yet still with absurd repetition. Thus, one of your true complaints about her writing; one doesn’t need to repeat when speaking to equals.

    That shouldn’t be construed as defense of her failures, which were surprising. However, given her background, I find her achievements extraordinary.

    I’m puzzled why you’d pile on with such obvious crap as an accusation of triviality. Hypocrisy, duplicity? Okay. Trivial? Laughably off target. Her principal writings were against ‘might makes right’. Some of her stupidest opinions were emitted on the fly, verbally.

    The trivial is not shocking. AR was a shock.

  199. Sanjay P. says:

    Hello, I again wrote the following new message for Professor Dutton, and I don’t know how on-topic it will considered here, but if the moderator finds any value to its content, then it will make me happy if approved, thank you:

    Hello Professor Dutton,

    [MORE]

    I noticed that you publicly disregarded my explanation to you of the differences between the words “Conspiracy Theory,” “Conspiracy Hypothesis,” and “Fraud Hypothesis/Theory.” Let me quickly repeat: Since “Conspiracy Theories” for the most part have not been vindicated by an adequate body of evidence, they should be referenced as “Conspiracy Hypothesis,” or more simply “Fraud Hypothesis.” A “Theory” by definition is an established fact supported by scientifically valid evidence. Thus, you lesson the meaning of the phrase “The Scientific Method” when you keep on repeating the phrase “Conspiracy Theory.” The origins of this was an attempt by the Ashkenazim to confuse the public about the difference between Scientific Theories and Conspiracy Hypothesis to enable them to more successfully promote fraud and Cultural Marxism.

    Regarding Extroversion/Introversion, I don’t consider these to be valid personality descriptors. Extroversion should be re-quantified and qualified as Altruistic people who value other people and thus enjoy their company, while Introversion should similarly be re-formulated as people possessing Genetic Psychopathology who do not value other people and thus their company. I consider the Big-Five traits to be flawed. On your show, you mentioned that people who have “fun” are Extroverted and these “fun” people like to go to parties and theme parks and gluttonously eat and drink, abuse alcohol, be sexually promiscuous, and basically engage all of the African behaviors. I believe you are wrong. “Fun” is subjective, and its associated behaviors vary based one being relatively ‘r’ or ‘k’ selected individuals. Since I am relatively ‘k’ selected, “fun” to me is writing this message, reading about science and mathematics, listening to classical music, debating, and so forth. The question for me is, why do people engage in “fun?” I would hypothesis that evolution has molded the brain to environmentally enforce their adaptive behaviors by engaging in practice, and the act of this type of practice is subjectively experienced as “fun” (or objectively observed as increased dopaminergic activity). Thus, when I find science and mathematics “fun,” I am motivated to engage in these activities in my free time which is linked to resource acquisition among relatively ‘k’ selected people. And the reason Africans find rape, murder, excessive eating, and stealing “fun” is because it hones their skills in their adaptive ‘r’ selected behaviors.

    I was thinking that Dysgenics and Mutational Load would result in people innately having a less and less potent dopaminergic system each generation. Dopamine systems are linked to motivation to survive and evolutionarily thrive, acts which are subjectively experienced as “pleasure” and “happiness.” Before the Industrial Revolution, all our current sensory stimulating elements of our environment did not exist. Back then, they did not have television, instant access digital music, video games, instant junk foods, instant alcohol and tobacco, instant opportunities for copulation via promiscuity or pornography, indoor lighting to enjoy activities 24 hours a day, individually owned cars to travel anywhere instantly to engage in activities that are stimulating, etc. Thus, for one to choose to survive and thrive, he would have to possess an extra potent dopaminergic system which would enable him to find “simple” things adequately stimulating/”fun.” Simple things like just being out in the sun, taking walks in nature, farming long hours, interacting with your family by candlelight in the evenings, socializing during religious gatherings, etc. would be sufficiently “fun” and happiness-manifesting by these early people.

    How many people today would commit suicide if they suddenly found themselves in a pre-Industrial Revolution environment and not possessing the potent dopaminergic system to find these conditions stimulating/fun? I surely would go into depression (actually, I already possess extreme depression). The highly potent dopaminergic systems of the past have no longer been selected for because it has decreasingly been required to survive and thrive due to modern technology and the loosening of ‘k’ selected behavioral restraints (promiscuity to get a dopamine high, alcohol, drug, and food indulgence, etc.) providing powerful stimulating effects to compensate for an incrementally weakening dopaminergic system. I propose that Dr. Woodley of Menie/Emil Kirkegaard test this hypothesis by comparing the dopaminergic systems of current populations who have isolated themselves from much of the post-Industrial Revolution environment with the rest of the population. Good examples of the former would be the Amish, hunter-gatherer tribes (Yanomamo, Sentinelese, etc.), and the Haredi/Hasidic, whom I speculate would have dopaminergic systems that possess a potency level intermediate between the two extremes, given the fact that they do embrace some, but certainly not all, of modern cultural elements.

    I am also curious to know if more powerful dopaminergic systems are linked to higher likeliness of individuals possessing Religiosity, Spirituality, Monumentalism/Open-to-Experience. I am suggesting this possibility strictly based on personal experience. My natural default state of mind is high depression, high anxiety and fear, and agnosticism. However, when I ingest high amounts of psychedelic substances such as alcohol, I experience very high Religious/Spiritual/Monumental/Open-to-Experience states (consumption of psychedelic substances results in the flooding of the brain with dopamine). During these states, my suicidality is suppressed, and I want to live and experience everything in life. I feel like there is a great purpose to life, something that is eternal and paranormal in nature; I feel there is definitely an After-Life and a Spiritual world. Once the psychedelic substances leave by body, I default back to my original state. Could the current increase in atheism be partly (or fully) linked to genetic changes resulting in progressively less potent dopaminergic systems in the population?

  200. @anon

    1000 years ago the average Arab had a higher IQ than the average German. 1000 years before that the average German had the same average IQ as the average subsaharan African with black Africans in Sudan/Ethiopia having higher IQs.

    None of that is true. Innate intelligence isn’t going to change that much over 1000 years.

    Germans lived in tribes that were crude compared to other societies at the time but they still had German brains. Ethiopia should have surpassed them long ago if civilized society is merely a matter of educational influence.

    Education is ultimately the key to increasing IQ’s and thus improving the wealth of a nation.

    That has already been tried. Repeatedly.

    Everyone seems to agree that you can’t educate someone with downs into a genius. Well genes don’t somehow go away for everyone else.

    Genes matter. Kind of harsh but that is how God/nature designed things. Society has tried to pretend this isn’t true and the results have been disastrous. The fact that we can only talk about this on the dark edges of the internet speaks volumes. Society really, really doesn’t want to believe it is true and pays college professors 6 figure salaries to lie about genetics while critical thinkers can only discuss the results of this lie on the internet.

  201. @vinteuil

    Yea I’m sure troof loves Tolstoy. I can just imagine him staying up all night in college reading War and Peace.

    Probably read the cliff notes over a bowl of Trix and then had his White girlfriend finish his paper.

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