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“The Bucha Massacre” has now become the driving force for the propaganda push for even more NATO involvement in the conflict in Ukraine.

Yet the claim that this is a Russian war crime is so patently false that a rational observer can only be left astounded by the combination of bare-faced nerve and slapdash incompetence displayed by the media outlets and politicians pushing this disgusting smear.

The latest effort of the Western media to deny Russian rebuttals is the claim that satellite photos show the bodies were there for weeks. Far from ‘proving’ the case against Russian troops, however, this new assertion in fact raises yet more questions which undermine the Western story.

The satellite photos certainly appear to show bodies, but they also show no sign at all of the burnt out cars which are such a prominent feature of the ground photos and videos. Are we supposed to believe that these vehicles were carefully driven in and positioned between the corpses after the shooting spree?

A similar suspension of belief is required when considering the dates involved. The ‘Bucha Massacre’ entry in Wiki (accessed 09.25 on 5th April 2022) reads as follows:

‘On 4 April, satellite images were provided to The New York Times by Maxar Technologies. The Times compared images to video evidence and concluded: “many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia’s military was in control of the town.” The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 “dark objects of similar size to a human body” appearing between 9 March and 11 March”.’

Wiki also tells us that Ukrainian troops re-entered Bucha on April 1st, following the redeployment of the Russian force to south eastern Ukraine.

Maxar Technologies, as a major contractor for NASA, is of course an integral part of the NATO military-industrial complex. As such its assertions with regards to the conduct of the conflict in Ukraine have to be regarded with caution. That said, Maxar’s dates of 9th– 11th March seem to be causing some concern in mainstream media outlets promoting the Russian massacre claim.

The Maxar dates should indeed raise eyebrows. The idea that bodies could lie in the open air for three whole weeks without undergoing massive decay is only remotely credible because the average Westerner thinks that Ukraine is in some kind of winter weather deep-freeze in late March.

Yet a look at the weather data for Kiev for March 2022 reveals that there has not been one single day in the city (of which Bucha is a suburb) with temperatures below freezing since March 11th. The average daily temperature in the last few days of the month was 6 degrees centigrade – the same as the English city of Leeds. That average in turn of course includes highs in the spring sunshine. The weather graph for Kiev for the last week in March shows the situation very clearly, with temperatures up to 15 and 17 degrees:

March weather in Kiev
March weather in Kiev

Anyone who has walked past an animal killed and left on the road for a few days under such conditions will be able to imagine the appalling stench which would come from so many human bodies left in the spring sunshine for three weeks, yet not one of the Ukrainian soldiers or police shown examine the bodies can be seen wearing a mask, making any expression of revulsion or mentioning the smell.

As more graphic images have emerged of the victims, the evident freshness of the corpses seems to have prompted a revision of the dates of the alleged ‘Russian massacre’. By 5th April, for example, the UK Daily Mail’s lead story was claiming that the satellite photos showing the bodies on the road were taken on 19th March. No explanation was given for the ten-day change.

But even accepting the revised time-line, there is still the problem that none of the bodies shown in videos or photos has any sign of decay or damage from carrion-eaters. In order to believe the accounts and videos put out by Kiev and the Western media, it is also necessary to believe that Ukraine has no stray dogs, no rats and not one single crow or other carnivorous bird.

Look again at the video footage of the Ukrainian troops driving along the corpse-lined road. Do you see any carrion-eating birds flying up from any of the bodies?

For that matter, why were some of the bodies not crushed by the Russian tanks which withdrew from and through the town? Do you really believe that soldiers brutal enough to slaughter dozens of defenceless civilians would then be considerate enough to slow down their withdrawal from the area by carefully weaving their heavy armour around each corpse?

Returning to the weather, there was of course rain during the three weeks the bodies are supposed to have laid (not) rotting in the road. Looking at the cardboard of the green boxes of the food aid packages lying near some of the (clearly fresh) corpses, it is clear that they have not been subjected to bad weather. The presence of those packages is also, of course, another important pointer as to the truth in this matter – for they are Russian.

Screenshot © Photo : Twitter
Screenshot © Photo : Twitter

Thus, in order to believe the Western propaganda narrative, we must swallow yet another ridiculous tall tale: The ‘analysts’ have spent the last month repeatedly telling us that the Russian army cannot even supply its own troops with fuel or food; but now they would have us believe that the Russians went to all the trouble of taking vast quantities of emergency food parcels to the occupied suburbs of Kiev, handed them out to civilians – and then promptly shot them.

Food parcels © Photo
Food parcels © Photo

On top of all this, there are four key facts which have already received considerable attention on Telegram (the last uncensored social media platform of any size in the West), though which have predictably enough been routinely ignored by the warmongering mainstream media.

The first of these is the video of the Mayor of Bucha speaking about how the Russian troops have left and that a ‘clean-up’ is now underway. As a non-Russian speaker I cannot judge for myself, but the comments by Russian-speakers accompanying this video on Telegram say that he does not mention the bodies of civilians.

The second fact, closely related to this, is the video which shows a detachment of the paramilitary Ukrainian National Police clearing the roads of burnt out and abandoned vehicles. Again, there is no sign of the bodies which appeared on the streets the following day.

Third, and perhaps most devastating of all, are the white armbands on a number of the bodies. These are clearly shown in the main video of Ukrainian troops driving along the corpse-strewn road, and they are also visible on several of the bodies of victims of torture and murder in cellars in Bucha.

The fact that Ukrainian forces wear blue armbands, while Russian troops wear white ones, is universally accepted. A number of videos from various parts of the conflict zone also show civilians wearing white armbands, as a sign either of sympathy with the Russians or at least neutrality.

Thus the appearance of white armbands on the victims of ‘the Bucha Massacre’ is overwhelming evidence that the victims were ethnic Russians. They were murdered not by Russian troops – who were of course sent in with a key aim of stopping the persecution of Russian-speakers by racist neo-Nazis – but by Ukrainians.

This should come as no surprise, for the whole history of Ukrainian nationalism is based on the mass murder of ‘unclean’ and ‘sub-human’ civilians from other ethnic groups, most notably the Poles of Wolyn and Eastern Galicia, Jews, Hungarians, Romanians and, of course, Russians.

Finally, we come to the video clip from the streets of Bucha, which was posted and then removed from the social media account of the known Ukrainian neo-Nazi ‘Botman’: “There are guys without blue armbands. Can we shoot them?” “F**k, yeah!”

The truth of the massacre is so clear that we can see why Western leaders such as Boris Johnson are so adamant that there should not be a proper international investigation into the crime.

Instead, they are using the most blatant fake news to justify imposing another round of sanctions pain on their own people, and to excuse the sending of billions of pounds, dollars and euros worth of high-tech weapons in order to prolong the war. One has to wonder about the scale of the kick-backs these real war criminals are getting from their military-industrial complex cronies!

(Republished from Sputnik International by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Mr. Hack says:

    The same guys (Ukro-Nazis & Americans) that ordered the massacres within Bucha were also the ones that actually gave the orders for Russia’s military to invade Ukraine. Putin, never actually ordered this “special operation” but was impersonated by no one else but Cookies Nuland. The complete devastation of Mariupol was also done at the behest of Nazis. Russians were only interested in creating a peaceful environment, perhaps got a little pissed off when the locals didn’t greet them with flowers and wine. Still haven’t greeted them? Noone is there. Will have to wait till the Russians colonise and rebuild Mariupol to have a great big party….

  2. Notsofast says:

    while this nato false flag and ensuing mockingbird media blitz might look like ameteur hour with it’s bad production values, it’s real purpose might prove even more sinister. by inciting people (who have been kept in a purposeful state of ignorance), with obviously fake propaganda, they ensure an emotional rather than logical response. anyone who does take a logical approach and realizes that the “evidence” is not credible, is faced with a dilemma: speak out and face an angry mob hurling abuse in their 2 minutes of hate, or not say anything and accept that 2+2=5. they are breeding willful blindness, they are trying to turn us not-see’s and there are none so blind as those who will not-see.

  3. Toxik says:

    despite this false flag, amongst others, and other than the “West,” no one believes the Russian army would kill civilians. I see no neutral country joining in chorus for more sanctions. That is fortunate because now everyone can see how the US and the West works. They will befriend you, bribe you, then use you until you are no longer useful.

  4. Boo says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukro-dumbass, do you have any shred of humanity left in you? Ron Unz need to permanently ban you from his site.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Emslander
  5. Leave it to the criminal psycho elites to give the false flag game away by having victims with white armbands…. But since the sheeple won’t do the research claiming white armbands are warn by Russians to know the victims were Russians and sympathizers and the murderers are Azov… As soon as I saw the white armbands, I knew this had to be a flase flag. After all, they said they needed a false flag to bame it all on Russia. Their thirst for war and blood knows no bounds…

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Brás Cubas
  6. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Notsofast

    The Western organs of propaganda have become so bureaucratized and their product so stale from having too many cooks and they’re not even aware of how shoddy the product is.

    • Agree: Ulf Thorsen
  7. saggy says: • Website

    From the wiki article –

    The Guardian cited eyewitness accounts who said that the Russian forces placed Ukrainian children on their vehicles while moving in order to use them as human shields.[41]

    @notsofast

    with obviously fake propaganda, they ensure an emotional rather than logical response. anyone who does take a logical approach and realizes that the “evidence” is not credible,

    Indeed, from Wiesel’s ‘Night’

    Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  8. Mr. Hack says:
    @Boo

    Humanity? Look at what the Russian military has done all throughout Ukraine, to see what real unhumanity is all about. No amount of Kremlin stoogery will ever be able to conceal the war crimes emanating from Putler and his Kremlin lackeys and slaves.

  9. UA = blue, RUS = red, Donbass = white;

  10. @Notsofast

    Yes, you are totally correct. Believing in nonsense has always been the goal, just like that covid fairytale that took over the world. This is the final test. Can you keep your head when everyone else is refusing to admit they ever had one?

  11. …how much are the “Russian Troll Farms” paying the Unz Review, Pat Buchanan, Drudge, et.al., to say nice things about the Russkies?

  12. Rogue says:
    @Notsofast

    anyone who does take a logical approach and realizes that the “evidence” is not credible, is faced with a dilemma: speak out and face an angry mob hurling abuse in their 2 minutes of hate, or not say anything and accept that 2+2=5.

    Fundamentally, we cannot be cowards. It is so easy to be, but we must not be. I absolutely do not say this as someone brave, but rather as someone all too keen to duck below the parapet and let others do the heavy lifting.

    But we all need to stand up, and make our voices heard.

    The vilification of Russia, and the utter hypocrisy of the USA regarding their own evils in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria – is utterly breathtaking.

  13. grannypox says:

    If you run over bodies, you have to clean the mess out of your tracks, with a hose. See “Death of the Ball Turret Gunner”. Undoubtedly the tank commander would delegate that task to the driver.

  14. The meticulous details drscribed by Griffin pointing to an obvious genocide false flag by the MSM along with the combined propaganda machine would not serve or benefit a counter narrative that destroys the preposterous claims of Russian genocide.

    It is intriguing to note that the Daily Mail is also used as a source of one of these false flag narratives. My own assessment of that poor excuse for journalism comes from occasionally reading pieces on football in the English Premier League. The site is clearly sensationalist with an obvious bias for some clubs with racist targeting of some non-English players for hate mongering and vilification. It must rank as Britain’s worst claim to journalistic credibility. Anyone with a passing acquaintance with that site cannot take their superficial journalism seriously.

    Having said that, even without the evidence shown here and just going by precedence alone, lies, brazen lies, have fueled every single one of America’s wars in the post-WWII era. It is America, in concert with lapdog “allies” that has taken the lead in the ceaseless propaganda and false flag campaigns in the run up to the criminal wars that followed. No exceptions.

    • Agree: Ulf Thorsen
    • Replies: @Shafar Nullifidian
  15. Maxar’s dates of 9th– 11th March seem to be causing some concern…
    No explanation was given for the ten-day change.

    Perhaps the author should have considered the elementary fact that different satellite images of that area were captured on multiple days. Repeated flyovers directly above the same spots on the earth are a basic feature of satellite reconnaissance, so as to be able to detect changes over time by comparisons.

    This entire piece contains implied conjectures intended to raise doubts about the authenticity of the images, but which can easily be reconciled. At least the initial reflexive defense, propagated before the public emergence of these satellite images, has been dropped, namely that the corpses were merely crisis actors who were faking the killings. So now we are being presented with the next round of cynical spin control.

    The city had a population of over 40 thousand. On the first day the Ukrainian forces reclaimed the city, its mayor would not have had perfect information regarding all the instances of killings. The fact that he did not immediately mention all of them indicates that it took some time to assess the situation and then get the word out.

    The ground videos appear to show some corpses that have been covered up. In one case a fragment blew in the wind and caused some to think it was a moving arm. The comparison with animals is disingenuous. Dead animals that have been mauled and then partially eaten, with exposed innards, are obviously more pungent after a few days than clothed corpses with a bullet entry wound at the back of their head.

    It was likely the case that no tanks rolled over that particular street. Why should Russian tanks have been expected to roll through it and over the bodies at the side of the road? Drone videos that show the man who was pushing his bicycle on that street and getting killed at a corner, by a projectile shot from a tank, also highlighted the long line of tanks on a parallel street nearby, prior to their eventual destruction.

    If the victims of the shootings lying in the street were ethnic Russians shot by Ukrainian troops, as the author suggested, then the logical implication would be that all the satellite images from last month had been retroactively faked in a short period of time, with corpses inserted to conform with their positions on the ground, captured by videos this month.

    Since this web site is becoming a desired destination from which Vlad-cultists get their daily dose of Russian war propaganda and other related narratives, I have no doubt there will be a few readers who are so gullible that they would believe the implications of the innuendos presented in this story, just as there were people who readily accepted the contradictory explanation of a staged scene, with live actors, just a few days ago.

  16. Dumbo says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You really are a hack. Of course only a Serb-hating Croatian like Kaldian would say “Thanks”. Russian-haters and Serb-haters unite…

    Look, no one is saying that Russia did not invade. However, killing random civilians in Bucha makes absolutely no sense for the Russians. It does make sense, however, for the Ukrainians to kill those they see as “collaborators” or “Russian sympathizers” (as they’ve been doing for a while), and them display their corpses, and blame it on Russia.

    Only an idiot wouldn’t see beyond this obvious farce.

    • Agree: Ulf Thorsen, michael888
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @martin_2
  17. False accusations of ‘genocide’ eg Srebrenica, Kosovo, Syria, Libya, Xinjiang, Ukraine are a dime a dozen from Western psychopaths, themselves the greatest genocidists ever. At this stage in the aggression against Iraq in 2003 the Yanks had slaughtered c.300,000 Iraqis, after years of murderous sanctions. No ‘War Crimes Tribunal’ for Bush, Blair, Howard or any of the lesser lights.

  18. @saggy

    Whereas we know from video evidence that the Israel Death Forces have tied children to their vehicles on the West Bank to deter stone-throwers. As usual the Western Satanists falsely accuse others of crimes the like of which they themselves have committed, often on numerous occasions.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  19. anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding the Maxar Tech firm mentioned in the article, so central supplying alleged ‘photo evidence’ for the anti-Russia propaganda apparatus, here is the Maxar CEO … Jablonskys being usually of a certain ethnicity
    https://www.maxar.com/leadership

    • Thanks: geokat62
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  20. SafeNow says:

    I remember reading around 20 years ago how the US knew Syria had poison gas, because a satellite or spy plane was able to read the label of the container. (!) (I think this was an intel breach, because it told the world exactly how good the resolution was from US cameras.) The resolution must be even better now. I suspect that U.S. agencies have super-high-res photos that they are keeping to themselves, because these would show evidence of faked and staged events. And then people would ask: If these, what else?

  21. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Notsofast

    Stop posting word-salad. Or stop posting comments.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  22. Karl1906 says:

    This war is basically over. Only ignorant warmongers hope they can still turn it into WW3. And nobody of any importance on NATO’s side listens to them. No matter how much MSNBC and CNN try with their bunch of “experts”. Always lying eyes wide open and a steady gaze into nowhere if it’s live and with a crowd (e.a. like the Democrats).

    The only other option are the Ukraine’s goons getting really desperate. But there are way too many inconvenient witnesses for their crimes already. Just check out Busha and now the NATO-personal over at Azovsteel that they want to evacuate so desperately (4 helis of 7 shot down already). And each and every single one of these actions will come out and bite them in the ass in the end.

  23. Sepp says:

    When Putin calls it the “Empire of Lies”, Putin is lying himself. Putin knows that this in reality is the Khazarian Empire. Nato and the US army are two branches of the Khazarian military.

    As I watch this entire Judeo atrocity porn false flag called Bucha unfold, I cannot help but be reminded of the Holofraud. Putin must see it too. These lying Jews still blather on today about their sacred 6 million with incredibly ridiculous and absurd “facts” supporting their allegations. The most pathetic thing about this is that Putin wants to imprison deniers of one massive Jewish lie, while demanding that they recognize the absurdity of the other.

    Russophiles like to pretend that Putin is playing 5d- chess, when in reality he cannot even play checkers.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  24. Tarquin says:

    MI6 involvement needs to be highlighted. It’s role in the Ukraine is to plan and SBU operatives to carry out. It is MI6 who are responsible for the planning of this ‘massacre’.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  25. Miha says:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/07/intercepted-radio-messages-prove-russia-planned-bucha-atrocities/

    “Radio messages which prove Russian forces deliberately murdered Ukrainian civilians in Bucha have reportedly been intercepted by German intelligence. The intercepted messages could play a key role in establishing that Russia committed war crimes in Ukraine. Russian soldiers openly discuss the killings in the recordings, according to details leaked to Spiegel magazine. In one instance, a Russian soldier says he has just shot a cyclist. The description matches pictures and video from the town. One video recorded during the fighting shows two armoured vehicles opening fire on a cyclist. A second video shot after Russian forces withdrew shows the dead body of a cyclist wearing the same clothes.

  26. @Mr. Hack

    Exactly the sort of subhuman disrespect for life I’d expect from a Ukro-Nazi.

    • Agree: col from OZ, JR Foley
  27. The latest effort of the Western media to deny Russian rebuttals…

    Russian responses were not rebuttals but transparently incredible denials. The latest corroboration of Russian culpability was revealed a few hours ago. The German federal intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst – BND) had taped radio communications of Russian troops in Bucha.

    https://pleasemynews.com/news/massacre-in-ukraine-bnd-russian-soldiers-planned-killings-in-bucha-by-radio/

    Russian soldiers discussed the killing of civilians in Bucha on the radio. Some of the radio messages should also be able to be assigned to some bodies photographed in Butscha, such as those found along the main road. In a radio message, one soldier is said to have told another that he and his colleagues had shot someone from a bicycle. The photo of a dead body on his bicycle went around the world. In another radio message, a man is said to have said: First interrogate the soldiers, then shoot them.

    The material is also said to show that employees of Russian mercenary troops such as the “Wagner Group” played a key role in the atrocities.

    This latest revelations are just emerging in the media:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10695223/The-PROOF-Putins-soldiers-Wagner-mercenaries-carried-Bucha-atrocities-leaked-messages.html

    The PROOF Putin’s soldiers and Wagner mercenaries carried out Bucha atrocities: German intelligence ‘intercepts Russian troop messages discussing murders as part of strategy to sow terror’

    The wiretap recordings also show that the Wagner Group was present in the city and played ‘a key role’ in the massacre, and that there are likely similar scenes of slaughter elsewhere in the country.

    The BND recordings indicate the atrocities were neither accidental nor carried out by individual out-of-control soldiers.

    Messages show the troops regularly discussed the potential war crimes as if they were talking about their everyday lives.

    The BND told German leaders this shows how the killings were normalised and part of a deliberate strategy intended to sow fear and terror among the civilian population.

    Additional communications are being analyzed, so there will be additional revelations. Now the totalitarian Vlad cultists that congregate here can style themselves as promoters of and apologists for Russian terrorism.

  28. Fred777 says:

    The ukronazis won’t repeat these mistakes in their next massacre of civilians.

  29. Anonymous[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    You must be one of the shills that gets paid by word count. Half the comments in this section already are made by shills paid by Western agencies. You can easily check who the shills are by reviewing their past comments and seeing that every post they make defends and repeats the narrative points promoted by the Western media.

  30. Rahan says:

    I hereby propose two catchy descriptors:
    1) The Bucha Butchery
    2) The Butcher of Bucha

    Spreading them around deadpan should produce exciting reactions.

  31. Notsofast says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    sorry that you were unable to comprehend the meaning of my statement. as to your writing, i have to agree with ron unz that you are a “dim-witted” “pompous windbag”.

  32. Angove says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    “Drone videos that show the man who was pushing his bicycle on that street and getting killed at a corner, by a projectile shot from a tank”

    Did you notice that during the whole drone footage coving a very wide area, not one vehicle, animal or human moved at all. Its like everything else was frozen in time, and only the man on the bike moved, and a tank gun showed a puff of smoke.

    Very strange that.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  33. Angove says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Its funny how Western governments and media must always be believed, but Russian government and media must never be believed.

    Isnt that kinda strange?

  34. @Toxik

    Nice analysis by Scott Ritter (who of course was immediately censored/ banned by Twitter):

    • Replies: @GMC
  35. Realist says:

    It is so shameful to see what the United States has turned into since WWII.

  36. 1. The area is now under the control of Ukraine (or whatever is left of it)

    2. Russian army has retreated; Mayor of Bucha declared “liberation on 31st March itself; now anyone in Bucha can say anything against Russia and Putin.

    3. The dead people belong to Bucha; they could be identified

    4. Their families are still around, at least a few families are left, right?

    5. Where are the interviews of the family members? Where is the wife, accusing Russians of murdering her husband? Where are the sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, describing how Russians dragged their loved ones and shot them in cold blood?

    • Replies: @awry
    , @Dave Bowman
  37. Why has nobody raised a stink about undisputable Ukrainian war crimes of which there is ample evidence, such as Ukrainian soldiers murdering unarmed civilians recorded in real time as it happens?

    • Replies: @Passing By
  38. geokat62 says:
    @Dumbo

    Only an idiot wouldn’t see beyond this obvious farce.

    …. or a deceptive lying hasbarist like Been_there_done_that.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
  39. whataliar says:

    reminds me of swimming pools for death camps. logic

  40. The Deep State hate truth & love perversion (except in israel). That’s why the Frankfurter rats banned RT, and won’t allow a private legitimate political party like the BNP to function.

    (((Michael Grade))) now head of OFSCUM!

  41. martin_2 says:
    @Dumbo

    It might make sense if the Russian soldiers were in fact from Chechnya and did not feel any ethnic fellowship with the Ukrainian civilians.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @Wizard of Oz
  42. @Mr. Hack

    Humanity definitely isn’t a concept I’d use to describe you. P o s beseems you better.

  43. Arnieus says:
    @Common Time

    How much do the Criminals In Action pay you?

  44. @Anonymous

    …every post they make defends and repeats the narrative points promoted by the Western media.

    You are generalizing. My focus has been to expose the Russian propaganda lies. This is an objective endeavor and does not equate with defending or repeating Western narrative points, which tend not to deconstruct the false Russian propaganda in detail because most writers (so-called “journalists” or “bloggers“) in the corporate or alternative media had not followed events closely in 2014 nor have critical or analytical thinking skills, or even bother to research an issue in detail. The nonsense promoted by some authors featured at this site is an excellent example of this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. @Angove

    …funny how Western governments and media must always be believed…

    You are using a simplistic heuristic because you have not yet developed a bullshit filter. One must always assess every media story objectively for its content, on a case-by-case basis, rather than automatically jumping to conclusions based on the publication that decided to feature the story.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  46. @Commentator Mike

    B/c as per the ADL, the victims aren’t Jews therefore nazi Ukrotards’ crimes against them don’t matter. According to Jewish logic, goyim are fair game.

  47. jonjon says:

    Nazism died the minute Hitler shot himself, these so-called neo nazis in Ukraine are actually using the fear name “Nazi” to induce fear amongst outside forces, we do have to keep remembering that the so-called neo nazis in Ukraine have a Jewish leader, let that sink in when pretending the world is up against nazis again.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @The_Masterwang
  48. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    The German federal intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst – BND) had taped radio communications of Russian troops in Bucha.

    Lol, ok, sure. Stopped reading right there.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Figmund Fraud
  49. @Been_there_done_that

    If German Signals Intelligence gathering is so good, they must also be aware of the real atrocities carried out by Ukrainians, both in the videos online and the verbal accounts from civilians given to independent news services.

    German signals intelligence is filtered for political ends. Right now that means establishing casus belli to have NATO get involved in the fighting.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  50. JR Foley says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Russians pulled out of Bucha for 4 days before these bodies came to light. However, were they executed 96 hours (minimum) these bodies would display black blood and be in rigor mortis condition. Oddly enough—the blood appears red and one had a great pool of red under the skull–recent execution. The odd thing is the Azov crew arrived after the Russians departed and had a party of executing these civilians and then —the Russians did it. Nazi Playbook tactic. However back to WWII when the German Nazis were hammered out –600,000 of them were marched back to Moscow for a parade of Losers the Moscow citizens got to see for themselves who these scumbags were firsthand. Now if these Bucha characters were that bad —-would it not have been likewise the case to make an example of them to the Moscow crowds? Personally hope Mariopul is going to be a Last Curtain for this Nazi scum =- the Azov Army with Canada’s support from Justin Jackboot Troodoe.

  51. @Miha

    Yo Ivan, Whassup?
    Not much. Just shot a cyclist: blue jeans, beige jacket. You?
    Yeah, we want to get a few civilians, too. C-ya.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  52. Cui Bono?
    also gives that answer.
    And why should Russia conduct such a slow military operation to reduce civilian casualties instead of doing a much quicker US style drone and carpet bombing one and then commit such atrocities?
    But when the evilness of the Western elites meets the IQs below room temperatures of the by now deliberately dumbed down Western masses, you get and can get away with such stories like Bucha.

    • Agree: col from OZ
  53. @Angove

    Its like everything else was frozen in time, and only the man on the bike moved…

    Why should that be unusual? Were you expecting to see kids playing soccer in the street and heavy vehicle traffic?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  54. The elites and the media ignore actual genocides.

    But they carry on like jewish women about fake ones.

  55. @martin_2

    and they don’t speak Russian so they thought the whole idea was to kill everyone. And Putin forgot to tell them half the Ukrainian civilians count as Russians as far as he’s concerned. You might make more sense if you said the Russian Russian soldiers felt ethnic fellowship blah blah

    • Replies: @Ulrich von Kafkanien
  56. “In order to believe the accounts and videos put out by Kiev and the Western media, it is also necessary to believe that Ukraine has no stray dogs, no rats and not one single crow or other carnivorous bird.”

    That’s because the Ukraine is and always has been a Gan Eden. That’s where their worst of the worst go to make a truckload of loot because they’re better than the best of our best. Their mere presence, be it among oligarchy or the presidential palace, brings sublimity to the land. All nations of the world will have to accept their supremacy or it’ll turned into Iraq or Libya.

  57. JR Foley says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The Russian Investigative Committee has opened a total of 146 criminal cases against representatives of the Ukrainian military since February. Over 3,000 criminal cases of alleged crimes against civilians by the Ukrainian military are being processed separately by the Donetsk People’s Republic’s Prosecutor’s Office. DPR prosecutors have been collecting evidence on artillery shelling, mortar, sniper and sabotage attacks against the region and its population since 2014.

  58. Belarus had to conduct a special police operation within the Ukraine to save its citizens from attacks by lunatic thoroughly Nazified members of the Ukrainian nation and state.

    Greece has asked for NATO to defend Odessa. They never asked for this when it was under attack by Azov Nazis for the past 8 years.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  59. sayless says:
    @Anonymous

    The internet is still up and running in Ukraine but there is no mention of this atrocity on social media coming out of Bucha between the date the Russians left, and April 2 according to the Saker.

    • Agree: JR Foley
  60. Agent76 says:

    11/20/17 U.S. Government Planned False Flag Attacks to Start War With Soviet Union, JFK Documents Show

    The U.S. government once wanted to plan false flag attacks with Soviet aircraft to justify war with the USSR or its allies, newly declassified documents surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy show.

    https://www.newsweek.com/us-soviet-aircraft-jfk-docs-cover-operations-717460

  61. @beavertales

    If German Signals Intelligence gathering is so good…

    It requires having an antenna system to intercept the signals. I have no idea if the communications were picked up from installations nearby, in Kiev, or from an AWACS aircraft or drones flying over Poland. In any case they were not monitored in real time but recorded and stored, for possible retrieval and processing, like books in a library.

    …establishing casus belli to have NATO get involved in the fighting

    You are just projecting. NATO will emerge in a stronger position by not getting involved in the actual fighting.

  62. Emslander says:
    @Boo

    I guess this point has to be expressed.

    Let’s not ban anybody from making comments. So long as the material isn’t pornographic, I welcome it! I’m sure that Mr. Unz can be counted on to follow this principle consistently.

    Banning is for the ruling class. Real thinkers can draw correct conclusions from the broadest range of opinion.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  63. Emslander says:
    @omegabooks

    As soon as I saw the white armbands, I knew this had to be a flase flag.

    Anyone who reads Agatha Christy would hesitate immediately from drawing conclusions.

    Poirot would say, “Chief Inspector Japp, I am not so quick to agree with you that these bodies were left by the Russians. Let us see what kind of bullets were used and how long these bodies have been dead. Our forensic experts will take some time to give us these facts, n’est pas?”

  64. Amon says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Lol, you should turn down the light show glowie.

  65. geokat62 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Greece has asked for NATO to defend Odessa.

    Not too long ago Greece was an independent and sovereign nation. This is no longer the case.

    It must be made to repent for the sin of voting “No” in the 1947 UN vote on the Partition of Palestine.

    … an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

    • Thanks: Towey
  66. Anonymous[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Everyhing you post is in defense of the Western narrative and against any alternative one. You’re on a site whose main purpose is to give voice to opinions which the West is trying to suppress through censorship. That’s proof enough that you’re a shill. The fact that you spend an insane amount of time shilling, writing all this long-winded sophistry in support of the Western narrative strongly suggests that you’re getting paid for it.

    • Agree: DevilAdvocate
    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  67. saggy says: • Website

    Changing the subject –
    “Around-the-clock NATO air patrols fly to keep Russia at bay” –
    https://www.yahoo.com/video/around-clock-nato-air-patrols-224351635.html

    More than 60 NATO planes are on “high alert” at all times to await possible airspace violations, the alliance said in December. That’s grown to more than 100 combat aircraft now rotating through the sky in shifts.

    Imagine if Russia had armed aircraft patrolling US borders. It’s as if the US wants to start WW III.

  68. Eudion2 says:

    So the Russians massacred 11 Ukrainians on one street but the rest of the streets are clear of bodies? Because I assume they would show us satellite photos of bodies on other streets if they were there. The fact that they are showing us only this one street photo indicates the rest of the city was unscathed.

    Thousands die on US streets from murders, shootouts, drunk driving, homelessness, drug addiction, but we’ve got to spend tens of billions of dollars on WW3 because a grand total 11 Ukrainians died three weeks ago.

    Get vaxxed, people!.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  69. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Where’s Waldo – the Bucha Version.

    Can you find Waldo & with his automatic rifle?
    Wreaking havoc & committing genocide wherever he goes?

  70. @Mr. Hack

    No amount of Kremlin stoogery will ever be able to conceal the war crimes emanating from Putler and his Kremlin lackeys and slaves.

    Congressman Kinzinger? Is that you, sir?

  71. @Been_there_done_that

    There are 2 massacre sites, the one on the street that is depicted in the satellite photo and the one between the fence and the house (which is shown above). The site between the fence and the house appears to be open to the sky. So any satellite pass that photographed the area of the massacre site on the road would also have photographed the area of the massacre site between the fence and the house.

    Have the satellite photos of the area of the massacre site between the fence and the house been released yet? I haven’t seen them. If they exist, as they should, then why haven’t we seen them? Legitimate photos from this massacre site would certainly enhance our understanding of the timeline for this tragic event. Perhaps, as it now stands, they don’t fit the narrative.

  72. EugeneGur says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    One must always assess every media story objectively for its content, on a case-by-case basis

    When it comes to the Western media, the objective assessment is very simple. As one smart person once remarked: “What which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. Since the stories propagated by the Western media do not present any evidence of their assertions, and the Western media as a rule make categorical pronouncements assigning blame before any evidence can even be obtained, the only way to deal with these stories is to disregard them in their entirety.

    Furthermore, the Western countries as a rule actively prevent others from obtaining or presenting objective evidence. The case in point – what would the UK block, twice, the SC UN meeting on Bucha Russia has requested? This suggests to me that they know exactly what happened – perhaps, because they organized the whole thing themselves? – and it is not what they are saying to the public.

    After a dozen or so of such stories combined with squirming of the Western media and governments, it is sensible to start disregarding the whole source – life’s too short, you know, to analyze each individual BS they come up with. I think it works very well as a bullshit filter, don’t you?

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  73. @Badger Down

    Putin told his army that half a year ago. That’s one of the reasons why Anti-Empire predicted this invasion while the russophile altmedia denied it would happen. The Russian army coming to “liberate” their Ukrainian brothers and sisters. That’s the Russian story. Then it makes no sense killing lots of civilians.

  74. The zionists are experts at false flags, take for instance their attack on the WTC on 911 which was done by Israel and the traitors in the ZUS government and every thinking American knows it. There are numerous false flags being used in the Ukraine by the zionists and the false flags are apparent to anyone who thinks rather than just looks, they have had people wrapped in body bags who when the wind blew reached out and pulled the bags flaps down, etc., this is a propaganda war as the zionists are losing the real war.

    The zionist terrorist organization NATO and their Operation Gladio are the masters of false flags as they have done dozens and dozens of false flags in Iraq and Syria and Libya and Afghanistan.

  75. 57.5 Million Cell Phone numbers are registered in Ukraine. Where is all the Cell Phone footage?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use

    Do Ukrainians not have iPhones or Android Phones? Are we to believe they have only the old-style flip phones with no video or photo capabilities??

    Do they not have access to the Internet??

    Can they not smuggle out iPhone images to neighboring countries??

    Do Ukrainians have computers with thumb drives?

    The total complete blackout of cell phone imagery is SHOCKING. How is this being accomplished? Where are the YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook posts???

    How is it possible that no footage of this supposed massacre exists? Anyone with a cell phone could simply record it from a window or behind a bush.

    HOW is this complete blackout and silencing of all 41 Million Citizens of Ukraine being accomplished??? What technology is being used? The orchestrated collusion of US MSM and Big Tech to push a singular narrative is ASTONISHING.

    Even if all the cell phone towers, satellites, and hardlines were cut to this country – (By Russia or Ukraine), you still have at least 30 Million Cellphones taking pictures and videos. These videos will be stored on their iPhones and Android phones. What is the plan to censor these pictures and videos once this war is OVER and the internet connection is restored? Or when fleeing Ukrainian refugees get access to the Internet in neighboring countries?? How are they going to suppress the truth once the Ukrainian people start posting this information to the world???

    This should concern everyone in America. If our government can suppress the communication of this many people halfway around the world, it can certainly do the same here on US Soil.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  76. There shit sure better be some massacres.

    Russia is dealing with a despicable enemy.

  77. @Toxik

    “ That is fortunate because now everyone can see how the US and the West works.“

    Aren’t the US and the West occupied territories? The same modus operandi of false flags from the explosion of The USS Main, to Pearl Harbour, to the JFK assassination by a lone gunman, to the Gulf of Tonkin, to 911, to Iraqi WMD, to Assad’s gassing his own people, to the Covid hoax and now the Bucha massacre, and the Western masses have still not caught up with the lying trend of the masters of discourse, that alien race that has occupied not only the Western lands but the also the Western mind. Yet many of these hoaxes were by and large revealed by many courageous analysts only to see the cycle repeat itself. But still most Westerners think of themselves as the smartest race in the world!

  78. @Miha

    One video recorded during the fighting shows two armoured vehicles opening fire on a cyclist. A second video shot after Russian forces withdrew shows the dead body of a cyclist wearing the same clothes.

    The 2nd cyclist stole the clothes from the 1st cyclist? The bastard!!

    or…wait! Perhaps there were 2 cyclists from the same cycling club. They were wearing the same gear! Bastards!!

    hmmm…wait! The dead body found could have been the victim of a cycling accident which took place earlier in the day! Ukie traffic has been hell recently. Bastards!!

    AND: do you notice that there is no mention of the bicycles? Someone stole the bicycles! Bastards!!

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  79. @Anonymous

    You’re on a site whose main purpose is to give voice to opinions which the West is trying to suppress through censorship.

    If the opinions are based on false premises, which I have repeatedly shown, or flawed reasoning, or are just repetitions of carefully crafted Russian propaganda, readers deserve to also be exposed to an objective presentation that exposes when they have not been getting the truth but were being bombarded with gross distortions.

    Many readers do prefer finding out the truth, though others – the cultists – prefer to believe nonsense because it makes them feel better, even though it reinforces self-deception. Providing information that is impossible to refute is not being a shill. The actual shills are those who still repeat narratives that have been deconstructed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. Lurker says:
    @Common Time

    How much do you zogbots get?

  81. @Anonymous

    Stopped reading at dailymail.co.uk

  82. @Eudion2

    The fact that they are showing us only this one street photo indicates the rest of the city was unscathed.

    You are making wrong presumptions and are drawing invalid conclusions. Hundreds of corpses were thrown into a pit in that town, and some of those images were shown too. The Russian soldiers had to leave in a hurry and apparently didn’t have any time left to dump those who remained on that particular street. Perhaps the town was too small to warrant those mobile crematoria that have purportedly been sent to the bigger port city of Mariupol to hide evidence of the much larger massacres that were committed there.

  83. GMC says:
    @michael888

    Finally, a man that understands Russians and the Russian Orthodox burial culture. Anyone who knows the R O burial process, including Alaskans and Alaskan natives u derstand that we bury people. The Alaskan natives take it one more step and build spirit houses over the graves. The Catholics and Jews bury people so they can keep count – like their money.

  84. Ron Unz says:

    As many of you probably know, Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter was banned from Twitter for challenging the Bucha Massacre story, but later reinstated.

    Here’s his interview from late yesterday in which he explains his analysis of the Bucha Massacre evidence:

  85. Anonymous[791] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    “If the opinions are based on false premises, which I have repeatedly shown, or flawed reasoning, or are just repetitions of carefully crafted Russian propaganda, readers deserve to also be exposed to an objective presentation that exposes when they have not been getting the truth but were being bombarded with gross distortions. ”

    But why would they deserve that? Why would you care that they are being exposed to “Russian propaganda”? What’s in this for you exactly? I mean judging by your posting history, you probably spend at least 5 hours a day reading and posting here. What is the recompense for all this effort you’re putting to “enlighten” others and fight all this “disinformation”?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  86. @Been_there_done_that

    Radio communications? Hahahahaha…. presented by the biggest liars on the planet. Enough.

  87. @EugeneGur

    …Western countries as a rule actively prevent others from obtaining or presenting objective evidence. The case in point – what would the UK block, twice, the SC UN meeting on Bucha Russia has requested?

    Forensic specialists are already there to collect evidence. The UN Security Council meeting that Russia called for (before the satellite images were revealed) was explicitly framed under the premise that Ukraine had fabricated the incident, so such a meeting would have likely devolved to a shameful amplification by Russia of its aggressive propaganda claims.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  88. GMC says:
    @jonjon

    Who cares what the names are – correct. The US/Isreal has created dozens of proxy armies like Nazis – dba Isis, al Qaeda, alNusra, al Sham, Boko Harem, Chinese “weghurs” trained in Turkey, the Colombian army, CIA, FBI, Swat/Police, Nato, and the list could go on. Next up – the new German SS.

  89. @omegabooks

    Actually, the armbands in and of themselves are not reliable evidence of anything, because — supposing the Russians were the perpetrators — they coud have put the armbands on the corpses with the precise intention of making people draw the inferences you are drawing.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  90. @Been_there_done_that

    Additional communications are being analyzed, …

    you have misspoken. It is “Additional communications are being created so there will be additional bullshit revelations.”

  91. S says:

    The truth of the massacre is so clear that we can see why Western leaders such as [British Prime Minister] Boris Johnson are so adamant that there should not be a proper international investigation into the crime.

    A cautionary note below from WWI in regards to British propaganda:

    Atrocity propaganda was widespread during World War I, when it was used by all belligerents, playing a major role in creating the wave of patriotism that characterised the early stages of the war. British propaganda is regarded as having made the most extensive use of fictitious atrocities to promote the war effort.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

  92. Ron Unz says:
    @Brás Cubas

    Actually, the armbands in and of themselves are not reliable evidence of anything, because — supposing the Russians were the perpetrators — they coud have put the armbands on the corpses with the precise intention of making people draw the inferences you are drawing.

    No, that doesn’t make any sense.

    The Official Narrative is that the Russians randomly massacred a bunch of Ukrainians and left their bodies to lie on the road. Probably incorrect, but at least possible.

    But your scenario is that the Russians massacred a bunch of Ukrainians then tied white armbands on their corpses as a deliberate false-flag operation so it would be blamed upon the Ukrainian military. Then they left those corpses to lie on the road and rot for THREE WEEKS before they finally pulled out, thereby allowing the massacre to be blamed on the other side. Since it’s the easiest thing in the world for someone to determine whether a body has been dead for one day or for THREE WEEKS, they must have been absolutely sure there wouldn’t be any investigation. Oddly enough, the Russians themselves requested a UN investigation, but NATO members blocked it.

  93. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Why can’t Jews be Nazis? Isn’t it about national socialism and a master race? No one said it had to be blonde haired blue eyed Germans if they are neo Nazis. It can be what ever the neo Nazis decide.

    • Agree: Jeffrey A Freeman
  94. @Notsofast

    @Notsofast: You say “while this nato false flag and ensuing mockingbird media blitz might look like ameteur hour with it’s bad production values, it’s real purpose might prove even more sinister.”

    Yes, exactly. I am reminded of this quote:
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” – Theodore Dalrymple

  95. @Common Time

    How much are the “Russian Troll Farms” paying the Unz Review, Pat Buchanan, Drudge, et.al., to say nice things about the Russkies?

    There are no Russian troll farms, but NATO countries have a bunch of them.

    The Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG). Behavioural Science Support for JTRIG’S Effects and Online HUMINT Operations.

    https://theintercept.com/document/2015/06/22/behavioural-science-support-jtrig/

    A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command to develop an “online persona management service” that will allow one US serviceman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

    And Ukrainians have a whole professional troll army.

    https://www.instagram.com/ukrainian.internet.army/?hl=en

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  96. EugeneGur says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    The UN Security Council meeting that Russia called for (before the satellite images were revealed) was explicitly framed under the premise that Ukraine had fabricated the incident

    First of it, it’s impossible to achieve, for all representatives are free to speak at the meeting. Second, so much for your objectivity: you presume, before any evidence have been or can be collected, that Russia is to blame and the Russia version is propaganda. And that is despite all the doubts the images so far presented caused.

    Have you ever heard of the rule that the onus is always on the accuser to show proof? Yes, I know it’s all aggressive Russian propaganda. No one, of course, is to be bothered to answer a simple question: why would Russia do that? To achieve what exactly? Russia could’ve obliterated any Ukrainian town from the air and yet refrained from doing so, using its air power very selectively. But here it takes the time to bind people’s hands behind their backs and shoot them – and all that before withdrawing it forces. Oh, for goodness’ sake, get real. The whole thing just smells “staged” and staged badly as usual.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  97. Zelenskyy’s qualifications to call for WWII:

    1. Plays with himself on piano keys.

    2. Dances topless (pot belly included) in high heels.

    3. Is a “star” on Dancing With the Stars.

    Enough, where do I sign up.

  98. @EugeneGur

    No one, of course, is to be bothered to answer a simple question: why would Russia do that?

    They have a long-running reputation for such behavior. It is their traditional modus operandi. Soldiers will do these things when they think they can get away with it. They were just too primitive to realize that modern technology has improved. Why do you think millions of young women fled weeks ago already? They had anticipated this.

    Yet you cling to the benevolent occupier narrative, feigning superficial outrage that somehow this was all “staged“, without committing an opinion. Was it crisis actors after Russians left the area, and all the satellite imagery and taped conversations were faked? If not, then what is your explanation, other than that everything is imaginary until proven?

  99. GMC says:

    The Ru. Army should have been more like the Red Army. Dnepropetrovsk ( Kolomoisky s Nazi stronghold) should have been leveled, right from the start. America and their jew media will butcher Russia in the world newsie scene – regardless. Nice guys finish last – esp. When going up against the US NWO Crime syndicate. Russia needs to cut loose and destroy parts of Ukraine. Otherwise they will be fighting the US for another 10 years. You either show the enemy you are more ruthless than they are or fight for another decade. After a few deztroyed cities the Ukis will get the message but Ru. Will be always be denounced by the West, so fuck it. China needs to show the same message, if they wish to break the Weztern yoke. It s now or Never. Otherwise, this is just a big Globalist Show.

    • Replies: @Sepp
  100. @Badger Down

    “Right; gotta get more of them, before we pull out.”

    “Sure… Hei, I see a bunch of civvies walking down the road. Some are wearing the band.”

    “Fuck it. Light them up! Let the Ukies know how we do.”

    “Roger that!”

    “Shoot them in the head, man.”

    “Aiight…”

    “Think I got them. Let’s go rape some bitches now.”

    “Excellent idea! Meet me at the house of that hot teen.”

    “Roger that!”

  101. @Angove

    There is nothing strange about powerful propaganda.

  102. @Miha

    I’m sure we will get the proof that can be inspected, right?
    “reportedly”, “could”, “according to” LOL
    Yeah, Spiegel, publish your evidence, please.

  103. @jonjon

    Zelensky isn’t their leader. Azov had openly and publicly defied his order. The Ukrainian army struck them once weeks ago to force them to get back in line.

  104. @Been_there_done_that

    Thank you for your analysis. One point I disagree with is this:

    Since this web site is becoming a desired destination from which Vlad-cultists get their daily dose of Russian war propaganda and other related narratives, I have no doubt there will be a few readers who are so gullible that they would believe the implications of the innuendos presented in this story, just as there were people who readily accepted the contradictory explanation of a staged scene, with live actors, just a few days ago.

    I prefer to hear the points of view that are absent from the MSM. If the arguments presented in this article are the best case that can be made that Russians did not massacre Ukrainian non-combatants, then on this occasion the MSM narrative might actually be close to the truth.

    The evidence mounts. Since this article was written, we have learned that Germany’s BND intercepted incriminating messages between Russian soldiers concerning the killings in Bucha.

  105. @Been_there_done_that

    What are “ethnic Russians” doing in the suburbs of Kiev? How would anyone know their “ethnicity” when everyone is Russian anyway?

    Anyone can see the pain and fear on the faces of people now getting interviewed by news video, and they are very real. Who strewed trash and garbage everywhere?

    Who wrecked the inside of all the buildings, making it look like foreclosure property occupied by hoarders in Baltimore?

  106. @Been_there_done_that

    They have a long-running reputation for such behavior. It is their traditional modus operandi.

    Liar. Shameless liar.

    They were just too primitive to realize that modern technology has improved.

    Russian people were the pioneers of space exploration. Their Sputnik was the first artificial Earth satellite. A Russian person was the first human in space, and Russians were the first to reach the surface of the Moon. Russian were the first to reach Venus and Mars. And Russians designed and launched the first space station. Russians are not primitive.

    Russians are intelligent. And Russian engineers are good at IT as well.

  107. Nonplused says:

    Well, we don’t have to worry about the arms, especially the small arms like Stingers and Javelins too much. What the Russians don’t destroy in convoys or distribution centers with stand off missiles, the Ukrainian military members sell on the black market and uses the money to fund their “escape plan”. How hard is it to say the missile was shot, mark it as such in the paper work, and then sell it to the Taliban? Not hard in that part of the world.

    So in a way, the shipment of wester arms to the Ukraine is helping Russia de-nazify Ukraine by funding the Nazi’s retirement in Greece. The question is where are the discounted weapons going? Where is the next planned hot spot? The US can’t be so stupid as to assume any but a fraction of the small arms will actually get used in Ukraine. They know where they are going.

    And why does NATO keep trying to give Ukraine old MiG 27’s and T-74’s? Do they think Russia does not know how to dispatch their own old hardware?

  108. peterAUS says:
    @Anonymous

    But why would they deserve that? Why would you care that they are being exposed to “Russian propaganda”? What’s in this for you exactly? I mean judging by your posting history, you probably spend at least 5 hours a day reading and posting here. What is the recompense for all this effort you’re putting to “enlighten” others and fight all this “disinformation”?

    Sharp…hehe.

    You appear to be an exception in this thread, so a question:
    What do you think happened in Bucha?

    I, personally, just can’t see any reason for Russians to commit such an atrocity.
    Accident/nervous gunner(s) while retreating? Possible.
    Breakdown of discipline? In practical terms a couple of psychopaths/enraged men opened up. Possible.

    Three elements (killings, if you will) as far as I’ve read about it. Admitelly, not much.

    One: mass grave. Irrelevant. It’s a war zone. Now, did some of those get executed, possible. Doesn’t matter. People get executed in war zone all the time for multitude of reasons.

    Two: occasional killings of civilians moving around. Irrelevant. Idiots/desperate people moving around in combat zone where any individual could be an enemy.

    Three: this one, people lying in the street. For me those two possibilities: accident/nervous, or psychopath/enraged.

    In any case not a war crime.

    Doesn’t matter of course. Some of us who’ve been paying attention to this game for some time do remember Markale (what?), Ahmici (what!?), Racak (what’s that?!) etc. Worked wonders even then. Racak in particular.

    • Replies: @Sepp
    , @Badger Down
  109. @Notsofast

    Western man has been so thoroughly propagandized, so thoroughly dumbed down for nearly the last 100 years that I don’t think there is any real way to combat it. Most Americans I know are some of the dumbest most ignorant people I have ever met in my life. They’ll claim they don’t trust or believe MSM yet look at how so many fell for the fear mongering with Covid. Same thing with Ukraine. The same MSM they so often claim they don’t trust they believe wholeheartedly when it came to these 2 stories. What can you do with such brain damaged humanity? As far as being attacked because you express an opinion that riles up their propagandized minds, I could care less. I speak anyway and often quite loudly. I am also finally convinced that the only thing that will stop these scumbags in the various Western governments is brute force. They remind me of bullies who can’t seem to help themselves and seem also to have some odd underlying psychology of actually wishing someone would kick their teeth in for them and put a stop to their behavior because they can’t do it themselves. That said, I do not believe anyone, and I don’t care who they are or who they think they are, can run around the world behaving any way they please before someone(s) finally sharpen their knives and put a stop to it.

    • Agree: peterAUS
    • Replies: @Quizzler
  110. @Anonymous

    Agree and Stockwell should know. That said, when you’re dealing with people as ignorant and emotionally driven as most Americans in particular are, the fact that the playbook is shoddy doesn’t seem to matter. I always used to wonder why they kept using such worn out transparent methods and I realized they do it because it works. It’s that simple.

  111. They were murdered not by Russian troops – who were of course sent in with a key aim of stopping the persecution of Russian-speakers by racist neo-Nazis

    It is sad seeing Griffin spouting this drivel. Like many commentators he totally ignores the very obvious Jewish/Zionist/Israeli involvement in all of this. Ihor Kholomoisky, the most prominent Ukrainian Jewish oligarch bankrolled Zelensky, another Zionist Jew, in his bid to become President. He boasts about having Zelensky in his pocket, and the Israeli paper, Haaretz, claims he is the most powerful Jew in the world. Haaretz is the top selling israeli newspaper.

    Kholomoisky is also the principal backer of the “Azov Battalion”, a supposedly “Neo-Nazi” paramalitary organisation. Rolo Slavskiy, another UR columnist, regards them as Kholomoisky’s private army. In reality, they a Regiment of 2,500 men in the Ukraine National Guard since 2017. In a military of 240,oo0, they are militarily insignificant. How many actually hold “Neo-Nazi” views is open to question. Many consider it low, as even this hostile appraisal admits.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

    Then we have the US side. Blinken and his 4 State Department underlings are all Zionist Jews. This includes the notorious Victoria Nuland, who was heavily involved in the Maidan Coup in 2014, which is the ultima causa of all of this. I could continue, but it would be a long list.

    As regards the harassment of Russian speakers, that has been going on since 2004. Harassment and persecution of minority language speakers requires no “Neo-Nazis”, it has been carried out by governments and organisations of all political, religious and social hues, going back well into antiquity.

    My overall impression is Ukraine = Fake State ( too many ethnic Russians )
    Azov Regiment = Fake “Neo-Nazis” ( controlled by Zionist Oligarch.)

    So why is Griffin doing this? Is he trying to distance himself from his past as leader of the Britsh National Party and build a new career for himself ? Writing for Sputnik, I doubt it ?
    Does any reader have an idea ?

    • Replies: @S
    , @Dave Bowman
  112. These are logical conclusions. How will this struggle for influence in the area of the former USSR end? In the Book of Daniel, we read, “And both these kings [Great Britain and Russia], their hearts (will be) to do mischief, and at one table (they) will speak a lie; but it will not succeed. Indeed yet (the) completion to (the) appointed time. And [the king of the north] will go back (to) his land with great wealth [1945. This detail indicated that after the previous victories Hitler will attack the Soviet Union and will fight to the bitter end]; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant [Soviet Union introduced state atheism and believers were repressed]; and will act [it means a lot of activity in the international arena]; and go back to his own land [1991-1993. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. The troops from the Soviet military bases returned to their country]. At the appointed time [he] will return back [Russian troops will return to where they were previously stationed. It also means the big crisis, plus the break-up of the EU and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern block will return to a military alliance with Russia], and will enter into the south [because of ethnic conflict (Matthew 24:7)], but it will not be as the former [Georgia – 2008] or as the latter [Ukraine – now. It also will not evolve into WW3. This will happen only later, after Russia returns], for the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the distant West] will come against him, and (he) will broke down [mentally], and will go back.” (11:27-30a) This will be a mutual slaughter. This time it will be a world war not only by name. “The great power sword” will also be used. (Revelation 6:4) Jesus characterized him in this way: “A frightening things both and extraordinary (related to unusual phenomena) from sky powerful will be.” For that reason there will be significant tremors along the length and breadth of the regions [of strategic importance] and famines, and pestilences. Some ancient manuscripts contain the words “and frosts”. The Aramaic Peshitta: “and will be great frosts”. (Luke 21:11) We call this today “nuclear winter”. In Mark 13:8 there are also words of Jesus: “and disorders” (in the sense of confusion and chaos). The Aramaic Peshitta: “and confusion” (on the state of public order). This extremely detailed sign fits only one war. Jesus stated: “All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.” (Matthew 24:8) This will be a sign that the “day of the Lord” (the day of judgment) has indeed begun. (Revelation 1:10; 2 Thessalonians 2:2)

  113. Sepp says:
    @GMC

    Basically what you are saying GMC, is that Russia should commit genocide against Ukrainians in order to make Khazarian Jews sit up and pay attention.

    Why not skip all this bullshit and send a few Kinzahl missiles into Tel Aviv? Or even New York? After all, that is the source of the problem.

    PeterAUS has been arguing that Russia’s lack of JDAM style guided bombs is one big reason Russia’s apparent ambitious plans stalled. It appears that the Kinzahl is accurate enough though. The question is why didn’t they just take out Kolomoisky with a Kinzahl.

    There still remains a big question as to whether Putin is really an “anti-globalist”, or if he is just fighting for his position of “respect” among the globalist overlords.

    This is an interesting discussion of this critical issue by some of the alternative medias leading voices:


    Panel: “Russia & the Great Reset – Resistance or Complicity?”

    • Replies: @S
    , @GMC
  114. @Common Time

    And no doubt you would say you aren’t being paid to keep the propaganda train running. You enjoy being on your k**** so much you do it for free!

  115. darabi says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    [Liar. Shameless liar.]

    Absolutely. She is a Troll.

    It was American soldiers in Iraq and other invaded countries that RAPED 14 year teen, older women and other living creatures. She is a LIAR.

    The American rapist said:

    ‘I didn’t think of Iraqis as humans,’ says U.S. soldier who raped 14-year-old girl before killing her and her family. This is ONLY one case that has been documented. There are numerous cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340207/I-didnt-think-Iraqis-humans-says-U-S-soldier-raped-14-year-old-girl-killing-her-family.html

  116. Sepp says:
    @peterAUS

    One: mass grave. Irrelevant. It’s a war zone. Now, did some of those get executed, possible. Doesn’t matter. People get executed in war zone all the time for multitude of reasons.

    That Nato cavalier attitude to terrorism and war crimes finally escapes from the facade of “democracy” and “empathy”. Dead civilians are “collateral damage”. Just look at any one of dozens of Nato “Police actions”, from Korea to Yugoslavia to Iraq to Libya and now to Ukraine. What are a few dozen more dead civilians and destroyed families when you have already murdered millions in your wars for Khazaria 2.0? Depleted uranium, phosphorus bombs, cluster munitions, mini nukes, chlorine gas even and false claims of crimes against humanity that Nato committed themselves are just the trivial details to be brushed aside in the perpetual Nato drive for Eretz Israel.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  117. GKWillie says:
    @Anonymous

    The truly astonishing part, to me, is how a sizeable portion of people in the US, and the West in general, continue to be easy marks for this type of obvious horseshit.

    I see poor deluded TV watching souls in the town I live in lighting up their house in blue and yellow and flying the Ukrainian flag…lol

    PT Barnum’s famous dictum is proven correct time and time again.

  118. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    The truth of the massacre is so clear

    Reminds one of the Sarajevo marketplace shell massacre back in the 90’s. Cameras just coincidentally were in place beforehand. It can’t get any scummier than this. Will Zelensky ever be put on trial for all the atrocities carried out under him or will he be celebrated in the west as a hero?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  119. S says:
    @Verymuchalive

    So why is Griffin doing this?…Does any reader have an idea ?

    Filthy lucre, perhaps..

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  120. Dumbo says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    You’re a liar and a fool, you have already been outed as a Hasbara troll, likely typing from Israel. What is wrong with people like you? Are you doing it for money?

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  121. Kuwait Ambassador: “Saddam;s troops are raping mothers and bayoneting babies blah blah”

    Assad during the Syrian War : “We are winning. Lets piss off the local and international population by using chemical weapons”

    Putin during the Uke War : “We are winning. Lets piss off the local Russian population and international community with a nice massacre”

    These are just the three recent lies I can remember. There were many more before them and no doubt many more will follow.

    Americans, are too emotional and believe any shit shovelled their way. The atrocity pimps roll out the same scenario time after time because the dunces take the bait. Dumb as the US population is though, after the liar has been exposed for the umpteenth time, should there not be a drip of sense left to figure that its recycled bullshit ?

  122. Looking at the cardboard of the green boxes of the food aid packages lying near some of the (clearly fresh) corpses, it is clear that they have not been subjected to bad weather.

    Thats because the victims were approached by the Ukes and given a meal in exchange for a photo.

    “Lie on the ground for a photo. Say Cheese ! Cool, resume your snack. Say those cheese and crackers look delicious. Anyway thanks for helping the propaganda Ministry”

    Presto : We have a photo showing an “atrocity”

  123. peterAUS says:
    @anonymous

    Reminds one of the Sarajevo marketplace shell massacre back in the 90’s. Cameras just coincidentally were in place beforehand.

    Yep.
    Still, I believe this case is closest to Racak.

    It can’t get any scummier than this. Will Zelensky ever be put on trial for all the atrocities carried out under him or will he be celebrated in the west as a hero?

    Depends on how this episode completes. Most likely similar to the examples we’ve mentioned here.
    So, in time, he could get into Hashim Thaci (current) shoes. Use and discard thing.
    BUT, he IS one of THEM, so probably retirement in Israel.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  124. Dumbo says:

    You know what’s funny? People are not allowed to be “nationalistic” anymore in the west, certainly not in any European country, but now everyone is expected to be an ultra-nationalist for the Ukraine…

    I guess, you shouldn’t care about the borders (or the population replacement) of your own country, but you should care a lot for the borders of the Ukraine, Syria, Kosovo, whatever…

    I saw some video of some homosexual with a rainbow flag singing along someone dressed in military garb with the flag of the Ukraine. The perfect image for our crazy times.

    “Slava Ukraina” is the new BLM.

  125. S says:
    @Sepp

    There still remains a big question as to whether Putin is really an “anti-globalist”, or if he is just fighting for his position of “respect” among the globalist overlords.

    That’s a good question. I think Putin, Trump, and Zelensky, are controlled opposition, each placed where they are to give false hopes.

    Each has ‘poison pilled’ the idea of peoplehood in their respective domains with the subtle, and not so subtle, inclusion (I submit, deliberate) of discredited WWII era NS imagery.

    As an example, I’ve recently posted about the most prominent feature on the new post Soviet era Russian army parade uniforms, it’s collar insignia, being quite reminescent of that of the German Wehrmacht.

    Check out the Russian separatist Novorossiy Confederation defacto flag (under ‘More’ below) and it’s close parallel with the Southern Confederacy’s Battle flag, also now discredited as an NS equivalent, the ‘Stars and Bars’.

    As with Trump and Zelensky, stuff like that is too obvious not to be deliberate on Putin, and, or, his adviser’s part.

  126. darabi says:

    2 religious scholars who worked in the deprived neighborhoods of Mashhad City were murdered in the Imam Reza Shrine by a young Wahhabi.

    The Salafi/Wahhabi takfiri disease is a creation of NATO intelligence agencies & allied despots & has brought ruin upon much of our region. To watch the view click on VIEW

  127. Poco says:
    @Common Time

    Those naughty Rooskies use their invisible mind control rays like they did in the presidential election of 2016.

  128. Poco says:
    @Miha

    You do know of course it was an intercept because Western media says so.

  129. Mefobills says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    PILPUL and propaganda techniques require ignoring salient points, as if they do not exist.

    It also requires negation techniques.

    Three of the techniques at link below:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-coming-global-financial-revolution-russia-is-following-the-american-playbook/#comment-5278467

    In other words, FREEZE IT (find some minor point of contention), ISOLATE IT (make it the focus, but not other salient point), DEMONIZE IT.

    UNZ readers are going to need to step up their game if they are to survive the professional onslaught.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  130. Griffin forgot about a pretty significant piece of evidence, namely, the locals (women and elderly) testifying to the Russians looking for military age men and then that age group being found with bullets in their heads. Nothing to do with blue or white armbands.

    But it’s really all about old Vlad hunting down those nazis and making Ukraine safe for democracy, or whatever kind of system he thinks he has in Russia. The thing for Vlad to do is – after a couple of decades in power – make his society one that the Ukrainian cousins would want to emulate, not flee from. Instead, to get Ukrainians to see things his way, he begins a slaughter and leveling of the country because he is SO threatened by a nation without any nukes when he has thousands.

    • Troll: Olivier1973
  131. @Been_there_done_that

    Yet another pitiful argument, Old Been. Cars move, people walk, dogs trot.

  132. Yngvar says:

    Anyone who has walked past an animal killed and left on the road for a few days under such conditions will be able to imagine the appalling stench.

    That was what a Norwegian News reporter mentioned — the worst foul smell of putrid flesh he, as a seasoned war correspondent, had ever experienced.

    Give it up. Bucha is real.

  133. Mefobills says:
    @Sepp

    The drive for de-racinated finance capital to make profits, turns many humans into oblivious work units, desperate to pay their debts. So desperate, they look the other way. Evil prospers when it is not countered.

    Hitler and Thomas Jefferson wanted a yeoman class of farmers, who were debt free and anchored to soil, to then be the conscious of the nation.

    Depleted uranium, phosphorus bombs, cluster munitions, mini nukes, chlorine gas even and false claims of crimes against humanity that Nato committed themselves are just the trivial details to be brushed aside in the perpetual Nato drive for Eretz Israel.

    Clinton, partly in order to appease his psycho wife after the Lewinsky affair:

    …..rained down bombs and shells for 78 days straight on Serbia that contained depleted uranium, which has a half-life of BILLIONS of years!

    Result: a wave of cancer for the innocent Serbians.

    Serbia rejected the “independence” of Kosovo, an area full of illegal immigrants from Albania that NATO Jews wanted for their own reasons.

    This was comparable to the US Southwest some day declaring independence from the US because it had illegally become majority-Mexican.

    Serbia is also “Russia West” and since Nato hates Russia, then the Serbian Orthodox were to be killed in preference for Kosovar Muslims.

    (((Globo Homo))) does what is good for globo homo, or rather international finance capital.

    It is hard to keep up with shifting alliances, but there is always one constant, and that is the desire of international capital to take sordid gain. Bomb countries to smithereens, import orcs, emit hypnosis, and have a paid troll army.

    Russia, with its immense resources is to be busted out and turned into new dollarized debt instruments. This cancerous action is already well advanced in poor Ukraine.

    • Agree: Sepp
  134. 1click says:

    NOTO in Ukraine ? here they are:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/more-nato-officers-serving-with-azov-in-mariupol-ask-russia-to-save-them/

    I call them NAZOs already, they are acting, like the german SS last time.

    VeteransToday is a good source just now, for Bucha as well

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  135. @S

    Would you prefer Z instead of X on that flag?

    • LOL: S
  136. Mefobills says:
    @S

    As an example, I’ve recently posted about the most prominent feature on the new post Soviet era Russian army parade uniforms, it’s collar insignia, being quite reminescent of that of the German Wehrmacht.

    NSDAP Germany was fighting for its survival against globo-homo international finance capital.

    Russian Christianity has a nationalist attribute, called symphony of church and state.

    This is NOT the case with Judaized Christianity in the West, which is separation of church and state.

    Judaized Christianity is “international” and fits in well with Jewish methods, to “debt spread” the world. Protestant missionaries were always advance guards for finance capital.

    Who else has a coat of arms with four Christian Symbols:

    Western Christianity may be the death of the West in that it has no testicles (universality disarms altruistic whites), but that is not the case for Slavs.

    Russia is not part of globo homo, as is becoming more evident day after day. Many of the Oligarchs are being driven out of Russia by the West blindly sanctioning them.

    • Replies: @S
    , @S
  137. Quizzler says:
    @Ulf Thorsen

    Ulf….couldn’t hit “agree” but I certainly do…especially the part “Most Americans I know are some of the dumbest most ignorant people I have ever met in my life.” Everything after that just falls into line. I have MANY times wanted to express that myself but just never bothered, thank you for stating it.

  138. Mefobills says:
    @1click

    The Waffen SS had very high standards of behavior.

    I get it, it takes some time for people to overcome their brainwashing.

    The AZOV neo-nazis were left in place after WW2, so MI6 and CIA could play them AGAINST the Soviet Union.

    They hated the Soviet Union because of the Bolsheviks. But, now they just have generalized hate against the Russians, despite Russia having shaken off the parasite.

    Meanwhile, the ukro ne0-nazis have been parasitized.

    Watch the video from a Waffen SS survivor, who also was in Ukraine:

    In the videotaped interview of former Waffen SS man Hans Von der Heide by revisionist historian Michael Hoffman, Herr Von der Heide remarked that he and the other soldiers thought of their military as the first NATO or the first United Nations force because they were fighting shoulder to shoulder with men from nearly all of the nations in Europe, including France and Britain.



    Video Link

  139. peterAUS says:

    Actually….more I read about this event more I am reminded of several similar events from Balkans.
    There are some eerie parallels.

    Just a gut feeling.

    Three groups: enablers, organizers and killers.
    All three groups being members of RF military/paramilitary/security services, BUT, with true loyalties not quite aligned with the current cabal in Kremlin.

    Something like that.

    Interesting, looks like it.

  140. Maths says:

    Thanks all of you for cheering on Russia, un-conditionally and at all times. This will definitely bring down Russia. Keep up the good work

  141. Dario says:

    Many write stupid things.
    You don’t understand living in the US, can you comment at all?
    In Russia the Prosecutor’s Office closes newspapers, TV and radio stations.
    Keep complaining you fools… 🙂

    https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/28/roskomnadzor-zablokiroval-sait-ekaterinburgskogo-izdaniia-its-my-city-news

  142. Ellinas says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Nick Griffin,
    why you bother with these maaaa-humpers

    On 1991 we show it with this little bitch, the arab “nurse” Nearyah who lied about the Iraqi soldiers grabbing babies from the incubators.
    We have then, the chemical weapons of Saddam, but way before we heard about Hitler’s “ovens and gas showers”, we heard about Iran’s nuclear weapons, we heard about Assad chemicals against his people, as well Gaddafi, Hamas “killing rockets”, as well the ……….”terrorist bricks” that Palestinians throw at jews who stole their country.

    hhhh don’t forget the 19 eye-rabs who destroy three skyscrapers on 9/11/2001

  143. Mark Dankof says: • Website
    @Common Time

    The discussion Nick Griffin and I had with Sputnik International on the Bucha atrocity video as a false flag took me back to so many episodes over the decades. The most distressing conclusion I have drawn since February 24th is that the American public has learned absolutely nothing since 9-11 and the War on Terror—-or Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy Assassination.

    My recent Open Letter to the Russian People made reference to growing older and wiser after so many years of living in the midst of the mythological maze of the American Empire. The events of the last two decades leading up to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict underscore the sad reality that few Americans of my vintage and those two decades younger have connected any dots at all.

    https://mark1marti2.wordpress.com/2022/03/05/mark-dankofs-open-letter-to-the-russian-people-growing-older-but-wiser-in-the-mythologies-of-the-american-empire/

  144. anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    …it is also necessary to believe that Ukraine has no stray dogs, no rats and not one single crow or other carnivorous bird.

    These dogs, rats, carrion eaters are in DC, NYC.

  145. @Dumbo

    …liar and a fool…Hasbara troll…

    Just more name-calling, very shallow indeed, that’s all you have to offer. Just a few days ago you announced that you had put my comments in ignore mode, yet you were soon back again. I wonder why you decided to read my subsequent comments anyway. There must be some weird masochistic aspect among the Vlad-cultists; it seems they desperately want to be lied to, but they need a dose of reality too, so as to reaffirm that the lies are more soothing for their mental framework.

  146. …it is also necessary to believe that Ukraine has no stray dogs, no rats and not one single crow or other carnivorous bird.

    A few hours ago I saw a short interview with a guy from Bucha who complained about the corpses lying outdoors for so long. (It was likely the stench.) He claimed one man had been fully devoured, basically just the bones remaining. Perhaps that unlucky fellow had been hit by tank ammunition that caused a huge open wound, so that it would have been more opportune for hungry animals to focus their attention on him.

    The Kiev region may not be full with animals, such as tree kangaroos, that like to eat brains, such as those of people shot in the back of the head, so those cadavers would have rotted less.

    5 animals that eat brains
    https://theweek.com/articles/443843/5-animals-that-eat-brains

  147. @anonymous

    Maxtor seems to be a real business. Why would it endanger its future by making up lies about atrocities in Ukraine which, readily discovered, will ruin the credibility needed for future business?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  148. @Anonymous

    BS. You can’t even count.

  149. S says:
    @Mefobills

    Russia is not part of globo homo, as is becoming more evident day after day.

    Russian sovereignty, imperfect as it may have been at the time with the Czar, was majorly compromised with the revolutions of 1917. I’m not particularly convinced the Russian people have regained that sovereignty since Communism’s purported ‘fall’ in 1989, a little over thirty years ago now, a mere blink of the eye in time, particularly at the behest of a committed Communist and former career KGB officer by the name of Vladimir Putin.

    Limited (ie controlled and often ‘poison pilled’) hangouts of nationalism are being tolerated, if not somewhat encouraged, in Eastern Europe, Japan, the US under Trump, Russia, and China, as this will be useful for fighting WWIII. I think the idea may be that what is left of the identity of these peoples (physically and culturally) is to be destroyed in such a war.

  150. @Here Be Dragon

    And Russians designed and launched the first space station. Russians are not primitive.

    Both Salyut and Skylab space stations launched in the early 1970s, but Skylab, which was brought into space by the last Saturn V rocket, was bigger. I am aware of Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, the Russian scientist and pioneer of theoretical astronautics, who developed the rocket equation.

    However, you completely misconstrued my comment, probably intentionally. I was not referring to all Russians. Certainly you ought to know that there are big differences between different strata of society, for instance between scientific elites and the young yet expendable cannon fodder.

    How many times have we seen police officers going crazy in the past few years, oblivious to the fact that they might be recorded by a cell phone? Likewise, the Russian soldiers must have presumed impunity and were probably unaware of modern camera, signal processing and antenna technology.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  151. S says:
    @Mefobills

    NSDAP Germany was fighting for its survival against globo-homo international finance capital.

    Since 1945 National Socialism (NS) has been a broken ideal. Provided a people wanted that system, it would have to be rehabilitated first, which isn’t likely anytime soon. I wouldn’t touch it (or its imagery) with a ten foot pole. [Having said that I think the US should of stayed out of WWII].

    Most people in the US have historically been content with a republic, though desiring one not marred with peoplehood destroying/genocidal slavery, either in the form of chattel, or, it’s more malignant manifestation, wage slavery, the latter being the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern ‘progressive’ multi-cultural society.

  152. @Been_there_done_that

    Now we get the real low down from the truthteller for the Empire of lies:

    Russian responses were not rebuttals but transparently incredible denials. The latest corroboration of Russian culpability was revealed a few hours ago. The German federal intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst – BND) had taped radio communications of Russian troops in Bucha.

    Right. Absolutely. This communication is completely believeable as the full and complete evidence proving the Russians committed the atrocities until the gnawing doubt intrudes about it’s authenticity.

    Perhaps you could lay all doubt to rest by submitting an affdavit signed by god, witnessed by Jesus and affirmed by the holy ghost that affirmed the authenticity of those intercepts.

    That would definitely get me to accept this revelation of yours as unassailable evidence it happened as the radio intercept claims.

    But until then, I just wonder how hard it would be to make up alleged radio intercepts that confirmed the occurrence of events that exactly matched what had already been found but without any evidence it had happened until after the Russians had left and the NY Times publishing satellite images allegedly showing the victims had been killed more than 2 weeks before the Russians ;left but with no evidence that bodies had been lying around outside for that long.

    And who but a brain dead imbecile would still believe anything the advocates of WWIII spew out to sucker the public into rushing off to nuclear war.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  153. @Ron Unz

    This is the first time I have found Scott Ritter prima facie reasonable, careful, balanced and so plausible that I have an uneasy feeling that he might have helped blow a great hole in the propaganda balance. Still there is a lot of the video for me still to see/listen to.

    Nonetheless my bet is still that Ukraine will win because Russia’s resources are so inferior to the West’s and Ukraine can be armed and assisted in a lot of ways that become possible when careful assessment determines that Putin is not going to start a WMD war.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  154. @Been_there_done_that

    What do you make of the Scott Ritter interview video posted by our host? It is the first time I have found him plausible – at least in the first 15 minutes or so.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  155. @Justrambling

    The brazen lies go farther back than just post WWII. Try a review of the Spanish American War!

  156. @Been_there_done_that

    You ought to know that there are big differences between between scientific elites and the expendable cannon fodder.

    Russian soldiers are professional contractors, and not cannon fodder.

    How many times have we seen police officers going crazy in the past few years, oblivious to the fact that they might be recorded by a cell phone?

    Not in Russia. Police in Russia is a lot less brutal than police in the US.

    The Russian soldiers were unaware of modern camera, signal processing…

    You can’t be serious.

  157. @S

    You could well be right. Maybe Sputnik are paying him a retainer. Nothing would surprise.

  158. Sepp says:
    @S

    In the “Russia & the Great Reset – Resistance or Complicity?” debate I linked to above, it is interesting that “Russia is complicit” side came up with many examples: digital surveillance, mandatory vaccinations, vaxx-pass, CBDC. Another way that Russia toes the Khazarian line that they failed to mention is through Putin’s never ending stream of Nazi this, Nazi that. If Putin really was truly an anti-globalist he could simply let slip a few WWII truths to jerk on Nato’s chains.

    • Replies: @S
  159. @Wizard of Oz

    Mr Unz has berated you for spending your time watching videos, and not reading books. Now he wants you to watch a video.
    I am sure you are well aware of the irony of the situation.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  160. GMC says:
    @Sepp

    And who started the” Genocide “to begin with.? 45,000 dead and wounded in mostly east Ukraine that has never been dealt with, even with the fake Osce homesteading in Donbass for years. Same goes for Israels apartheid on the Palestinians. The word geocide is reserved for jews only – period.

    Notice the Oligarchs are always Russian or Ukie Oligarchs, not Israeli Oligarchs, which automatically tells the whole story. Notice the US Neocons are never called dual passport Zionist Jews. Notice that the puppet Ukie Prez wants Ukraine to become another apartied Israel.

    Most the Ukies have been totally programed and propagandized – I ve seen this happen to friends and the wifes family. 100% programed, and they aren t coming back to normal. They hate Russia now.

    I see one person on the video that lives in Moscow ( Riley) – the others don t but I respect them. But none of them were here 6 years before the Maidan and 8 years after.
    so my views are more radical due to some military service and observations. Rumours have it that a high ranking American was killed or captured in Mariupol, everyone in Russia needs to see this if true. Otherwise, the globalist scam continues. Spacibo S.

  161. GMC says:
    @S

    The flag was picked because they call themselves – Rebels – and the Russians know more about our history than most people think. That s all.

    • Replies: @S
  162. awry says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Where are the interviews of the family members? Where is the wife, accusing Russians of murdering her husband? Where are the sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, describing how Russians dragged their loved ones and shot them in cold blood?

    There were such interviews in the mainstream media, of course they may be staged, just like the civilians accusing Azov with murders etc. interviewed in Russian-affiliated media videos in Mariupol etc. may be staged.

    • Thanks: Old Brown Fool
  163. @The Old Philosopher

    Oh, the BND, formerly the Gehlen Network, the Nazi intelligence apparatus in eastern Europe. VERY believable.

  164. @Wizard of Oz

    My, you are a caution, Wizz. A figure or group in the West suffering from being revealed to be a liar? You ARE joking surely? As for matters of paramount interest, like, say, keeping the global Atlanticist Empire dominating the planet, no amount of exposed lies by the West will EVER be revealed by the Western MSM sewer. NOT EVER! Memory Hole time in a now totalitarian propaganda system.
    After the bare-faced lies of Vietnam, Kosovo, Saddam’s WMD, Iran’s nukes, Assad’s gas attacks, the Uighur ‘genocide’, the Srebrenica genocide, etc, etc, etc, every and every time, the Western MSM scum repeat the next batch of lies without question, because their jobs depend on it. Why shills like you believe, or pretend to believe, known, recidivist, liars is between you and your confessor.

  165. @James N. Kennett

    You actually believe the BND, the former Gehlen Network. Are you really that stupid, fatuously gullible or mendacious? Still hoping Saddam’s WMD, hidden in the Kremlin I hear, will turn up, when the victorious Azov Battalion enters Moscow?

  166. Tactical operations mannequin!

    They use these is all the fake massacre false flag stories…last time they were caught using these red handed was the most fake mass shooting of all time, the Las Vegas hoax! With enough silicone, the sheep can be fooled into believing ANYTHING!!!

    Nothing, absolutely nothing, is true about this “war”. This might be the first TV only war they’ve tried! Seems like the sheep are falling for it! “Omg nazis! Omg bioweapons! Omg nukes!” And those reasons are hoaxes too! Especially the nukes….100% miltary fear porn problem reaction solution propaganda with biden putin and zelenski all working together behind the curtain to steal the Ukrainian people’s natural resources for discount prices, as to kick off stage 2 of the Great reset, which, brought on by Klaus Schwab, and his young global leaders school, which putin was an alumni, with many other leaders, like almost all of them….went to school together, but enemies? Only for us on TV, so the agenda can march on….

    You fools choosing side in this, think, before you condemn a side using evidence from sources that would never hold up in any court, from reporters who own personal reputation and recognizance wouldn’t have thier testimony admitted into the record due to the amount of lies they’ve told….

    It’s a 100% hoax….start there, connect the dots…otherwise, you’ve lost the plot here…..

  167. @true.enough

    LOL

    Thank you, Sir. I’d forgotten quite how much this site needs a little innocent stand-up comedy now and then, just to dull the pain.

  168. @Rahan

    I hereby propose two catchy descriptors:
    1) The Bucha Butchery
    2) The Butcher of Bucha

    Bad news, old chap. The British tabloids have already beaten you to it, as they already started to use (2) above early last week, as they began their “hunt” for the (of course) Russian General responsible for the atrocities.

    (As you do, when you’re a worthless lying mass-media pawn in the devil’s game).

    And no doubt they have (TM)’d it in readiness for the eventual trial at the Hague in absence in a few years’ time of the Russian General no one ever heard of, who is deemed (by the media) to have been “responsible” based on the available (non-existent) evidence.

    • Replies: @Rahan
  169. @Wizard of Oz

    What do you make of the Scott Ritter interview video posted by our host?

    Having already watched two interviews with Ritter over the past week, including a very long one with the Corona Investigative Committee (Session 98), not to mention a bunch before that, I have seen and heard enough of him recently and was therefore not interested in another three hours, so I did not even click on it. Propaganda presentations are usually intended to appear plausible.

  170. The reincarnation of history in Butch is now in Kramatorsk.
    A rocket attack was launched on a crowd of people. What is the difference between Russian and Ukrainian army missiles

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  171. @Old Brown Fool

    Where are the interviews of the family members? Where is the wife, accusing Russians of murdering her husband? Where are the sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, describing how Russians dragged their loved ones and shot them in cold blood?

    Good question – but you seem to be forgetting that, by a very conservative estimate, more than 3 and a half million civilians have already physically left Ukraine as refugees, so there’s going to be a limited pool of eye-witnesses to events still around to tel the tale – especially those who think there’s still a risk attached in even talking about it.

    But here’s a new story from Yahoo, which regularly publishes accounts the BBC won’t touch – and gar ahead of them when they do. At least one back-from -the-dead survivor who states the murderers of a group of men he was with were Russian soldiers.

    Unless you’re a person who automatically disbelieves every word of every article published by the msm (and there are now countless millions who do for good reason), it’s hard to discredit eye-witness accounts like this.

    • Thanks: Old Brown Fool
  172. @Here Be Dragon

    Russians were the first to reach the surface of the Moon

    Umm… But… I seem to remember something about the moon landings being carried out by Americans…

    Ahh, Yes.. Here it is:

    https://www.britannica.com/story/how-many-people-have-been-to-the-moon

    So, to be honest, I’m quite intrigued by your statement above. Could you please let me and other enquiring minds have a little more… you know… Evidence… if you’re actually planning to re-write history quite so extensively ? I don’t really think that’s too much to ask.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  173. EugeneGur says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    They have a long-running reputation for such behavior. It is their traditional modus operandi.

    Oh, the Untermenschen argument – haven’t heard that one for some time. But apparently some things are never quite go out of the Western soul. It’s convenient, don’t you think? The Russians are such primitive savages, they’d kill any chance they get without sense or reason. That eliminates the need for the accusers to provide a plausible motive, and even when the action is obviously counterproductive for the accused, you could simply say – as you do – Oh well, they are just like that, the Untermenschen, what do you expect?
    Just out of curiosity, any examples of that “traditional” behavior by the Russians? In comparison with the Western traditional behavior, if you please.

    that somehow this was all “staged“

    I sincerely do hope it was just staged. Because these guys from Azov and the likes are not above shooting half of the town to provide a good picture for the CNN.

    all the satellite imagery and taped conversations were faked?

    Wouldn’t be the first time, would it?

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  174. EugeneGur says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Since this article was written, we have learned that Germany’s BND intercepted incriminating messages between Russian soldiers concerning the killings in Bucha.

    You’ve learned that the Germans said that – can you see the difference? The Western narrative relies on “intercepted messages” a lot, doesn’t it?
    They didn’t say anything but I was wondering how these “messages” were conveyed exactly. Surely not on the military communication channels, which are encrypted BTW, and there is no reason to believe the Germans have penetrated them. The Russian soldiers are prohibited from carrying cell phones while on a mission. So, one more time, how did they convey these “incriminating” messages?

    You are a very trusting person, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  175. @Mike Fridelle

    This poses no problem. First of all as of now there is glut of scenes of gore coming from Ukraine for amateurs of gore and what makes a video sell is that the acts of gore are guaranteed real and non simulated. Moreover Ukraine is a world-wide region of the world admired for its culture of prostitution. The volume of porn videos to be process will always outweigh by a factor of 100 or 200 those who argue whether or not a massacre has taken place in Butcha. And the volume of gore videos claiming that the gore was real no matter the massacre was performed by Russians or rather by gore-salesmen will always eclipse by a factor of 20 0r 30 those who bicker whether is was a false flag or true flag Russian operation. Video cameras don’t help debunkers but apathetic watching crowds. Most of the American and Israeli Intelligence agencies are not operating to convince people of counter-truths but rather that facts don’t matter and that people still attached to facts are inferior beings, and that gore is beautiful no matter who commits it.

  176. @EugeneGur

    You’ve learned that the Germans said that – can you see the difference?

    Of course. Note that the Germans, unlike the Poles or Romanians, had a good relationship with Russia; they are also heavily dependent on Russian gas. If anything the Germans have a motive to support the Russian viewpoint, and then be grateful that they will not freeze to death next winter. The reported intercepts will have brought German politicians no pleasure.

    They didn’t say anything but I was wondering how these “messages” were conveyed exactly. Surely not on the military communication channels, which are encrypted BTW, and there is no reason to believe the Germans have penetrated them. The Russian soldiers are prohibited from carrying cell phones while on a mission. So, one more time, how did they convey these “incriminating” messages?

    The Russian command and control is a shambles, with Generals getting killed on the front lines. If it is true that some Russian soldiers are using rifles from the 1940s, despite the brilliance of Russia’s Kalashnikov factories, it is probably also true that not all Russian units have the latest communications equipment with digital encryption.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  177. Anne Lid says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Uncle Vanya Skyba got shot in his side and then played dead? Very tough man! I would be skirming and crying.

  178. Ron Unz says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Mr Unz has berated you for spending your time watching videos, and not reading books. Now he wants you to watch a video.
    I am sure you are well aware of the irony of the situation.

    There’s a misunderstanding. I’ve never had anything against simple, unadorned discussions of an issue, whether those are in audio or video form, and I actually find them very useful, at least if I have respect for the individuals talking.

    My criticism of videos was more directed at “produced videos,” involving all sorts of music and images, which often seem to dilute the factual information presented by an enormous volume of psychological techniques, and generally amount to propaganda for that reason.

  179. @EugeneGur

    The Russians are such primitive savages, they’d kill any chance they get without sense or reason.

    Yes, as I wrote, they have had that reputation. After I had written this the following interview came out at the Octavian Report. The expert confirms in greater length what I had explained with one word:in comment #153 above: “impunity

    https://octavian.substack.com/p/the-killer-in-the-kremlin-samuel?s=r

    …Samuel Ramani, a leading expert on Russia’s foreign policy. The Canadian-born scholar teaches international relations at the University of Oxford, is an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in London, and has two books coming out this year…

    Ramani: …Due to pervasive control of the state media, the Russian public isn’t aware of the extent to which their forces are committing atrocities.

    The Russian state media isn’t showing any condemnation of atrocities or acceptance that civilian lives are being lost. What they show instead is the Russians doing their best to protect civilians.

    OR: But that doesn’t really explain why Russia’s leaders consider atrocities a legitimate tool of foreign policy. Do you have a theory about that?

    Ramani: I do. One, they know they’re not going to be found out about domestically. Two, Russia has long suffered chronic logistical and planning difficulties in major combat operations, such as the First Chechen War, when a much inferior opposition held out for 16 months…

    And until recently, he’s enjoyed impunity. Russia isn’t a member of the International Criminal Court, it has nuclear weapons, and until recently, it was deemed too large and powerful to sanction in a crippling way. It didn’t see any downside to waging war this way, so it did it.

  180. @Mike_from_Russia

    The difference is that we were led to believe that Russia had virtually demilitarised Ukraine in those first couple of days of aerial bombardment or at least eliminated all the major hardware. Or were we? Yet we see the Ukraine still has airplanes, helicopters, anti-aircraft missiles and most importantly ballistic missiles that it still on Donbass after more than a month of war. I would have thought that the first priority, after taking out the anti-aircraft capability, would have been to destroy the ballistic missile launchers and stocks of missiles. So what is going on? Could it be that the Ukrainians are clever in disguising there missile launchers while the Russians have been destroying decoys?

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Inflatable-military-decoy-inflatable-Defense-Missile_60731054529.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.b849639e9XsUat

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Customized-large-inflatable-missile-inflatable-cartoon_60763833195.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.b849639e9XsUat

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Mike_from_Russia
  181. @Ron Unz

    UR has expanded so much that you could have decided that it was above all necessary to keep things manageable simple. So I admire your willingness to take on the bigger task of making proper use of intellectually respectable product in media other than books and long articles. I hope BTW that you get as much efficiency out of podcasts that your readers suggest you should listen to as your readers now can from your own podcasts as one walks should the park or to the PO.

    Your last paragraph does elicit a quibble. It can be in the very features and techniques of the videos you criticise that find evidence to infer motive, partiality or the likely direction of distortion. As in “Hmm, why is he saying it that way? Why is it shown that way? Whose side is he on and why?”.

    Having just been sent a link to this I want to make sure you don’t miss it. It makes me think the legendary Irishman would be saying of most discussions on Ukraine, including on UR, “I wouldn’t be starting from there”.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-genocide-handbook?s=r

  182. Dumbo says:
    @Commentator Mike

    But the Ukrainians keep getting new weapons from the US, Germany, etc.

    I remember a scene in a comic book by Hergé (Tintin) where an American businessman sold weapons to one side, then to the other, then created a provocation and watched both fight. Not much has changed in all those decades…

  183. @Been_there_done_that

    I am sorry not to get your opinion. I don’t think your final sentence is quite fair. The video seems to show an improved performance cognitively and in lucidity by Scott Ritter rather than in propaganda production values. I must now return yo it and watch a little more.

  184. anastasia says:

    The precipitating factor that caused Putin to go into Ukraine was because of an imminent attack on Donbass by the Kiev forces. This was the precipitating event. There were even reports that this attack had already commenced, and it was not like past attacks. This one was going to be mammoth, or so it was threatened. We never heard a word about it from our media.

    They have been threatening to make Ukraine a Nato member for at least a decade; they have their NATO exercises in Poland and Ukraine,using “nuclear planes” to fly to the perimeter of Russia in “mock” bombing attacks; the Russian most certainly knew about their biological labs (years ago Putin made a speech wondering out loud why the US was in his country collecting the DNA of his people); there was the coupd’etat in 2014 that we instigated; the weaponry given to Kiev to kill their own people in eastern Ukraine; the CIA training the Kiev forces including the Azov and other Nazi battalions, NATO putting up missile bases in all eastern NATO countries as soon as the ink was dry on their memberships.

    These are a long line of provocations, and none of them worked to accomplish this invasion until this threat of an imminent attack on Dombass. The Dombass people also requested recognition of their autonomy and requested the aid of the Russian government. Before then, during the shelling of that Dombass area, there were only voluntary Russians going into Dombass to help them, but no Russian troops under the authority of the government ever entered the Dombass regions, albeit we accused them of such. There were also men from other countries helping the Dombasspeople, as well as mercenaries from other countries helping the Kiev forces. This would include Americans, French, British, and even Al Queda (helping Kiev). They also have a contingent of people nestled in Russia engaging in all kinds of provocations, i.e. LGBQT protests, etc. to bring that government down.

    I have come to believe that this imminent attack was simply a way to get Putin to go into Ukraine so they could use it as another excuse for more sanctions. The sanctions must be very important to them. They act to weaken Russia, or so they think. That is why false flags would come in handy as well, as additional reasons to impose sanctions.

    I thought their sanctioning in the past was also based on alot of baloney. They sanctioned Russia and passed the Magnitsky Act on the strength of one man’s testimony, Bill Browder, who, as it turns out, appears to be a notorious liar and an obvious sociopath. How did Congress ever go along with this, I don’t know? Browder was in Ru ssia when the Soviet Union fell, raping that country along with others from the west and Israel. Browder was financed by Edmond Safra. Safra was a banker and the CIA was said to launder their Iran contra and drug money through Safra’s bank. (Safra died in a suspicious fire in France). Browder looks like someone on the CIA payroll. Sanctions were also imposed by Obama on Russia on the strength of the Steele dossier, another piece of baloney that Obama had to know about. All these reasons for sanctioning turned out to be completely bogus. The reasons are nothing but phony excuses to sanction, so we have to see at this point that their sanctions are very, very important to them. Could it be that after hearing Trump say that he wanted better relations with Russia that they figured out how to use him to sanction Russia again? Maybe it wasn’t about Trump so much as it was about Putin.

    After the Soviet Union fell, they must have thought it was a tremendous bonanza for these “elites” to take over that country. They bought the country’s assets for pennies, with the resultant effect of causing inflation and the Russian people to lose their pensions – all their savings. They wound of virtually starving. Did we ever hear about that at the time it was happening No. They never forgave Putin for putting a stop to it. They obviously want that country back as their playground.

    I find it very hard to believe that the entire Congress is going along with this charade. Does Congress know? If they do, it must be because they have so much to gain personally.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  185. @Commentator Mike

    Ukraine itself was preparing to start a war somewhere in early March. Obviously, they expected Russia’s reaction and hid a significant part of their weapons in places such as warehouses and large retail premises. A huge number of weapons remained from the USSR in Ukraine. Simple types of weapons have entered the legal and shadow sale. The sale of more serious weapons was problematic, and they remained in Ukraine.
    Targets for Russian weapons are very often given by local Russian people, and the Ukrainian military talk about it. The colossal number of people killed in Bucha was most likely intimidation of the local population loyal to Russia

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  186. @Verymuchalive

    I have read scores of articles and essays by Nick Griffin in very different publications and on different websites over very many years. I can’t speak for his inner ambitions or political goals – though I have no reason to believe anything about his political or international views has changed since he was finally unceremoniously and un-democratically ejected from British public debate – courtesy of the far-left Jew-controlled BBC – some years ago.

    But I know one thing which is much more important: I will never forget – NO ONE should ever forget – seeing one of the greatest and boldest, most earnest, sincere, intelligent, perceptive and honest spokesmen for a generation of suffering British people sneered-at and condemned out-of-hand by the hundreds of worthless television-show talking-heads, shouted down in a thousand one-sided “interviews” by the talentless, gutless, ignorant media whores of the day, and lied about from dawn till dusk in every newspaper, magazine and political publication across more than 40 years, simply because he spoke the devastating truth about the DELIBERATE destruction of a culture and an ancient nation by the floods of Blacks, Moslems and uncounted millions of other third-world detritus shipped in by the machinations of international Jewry. This despite the undoubted fact that he has the political perception of an earlier-day Peter or Christopher Hitchens – and the intellectual sharpness of a Jordan Peterson – but he was never taken as a favourite by the “establishment” as they were, simply because his convictions were far too scary – and too close to home – for a British viewership brought upon myths and legends of the second world war, and trained by the Jew-corrupted media always to look for Nazis under every bed – just as the Americans after the war looked – and still look – for Communists.

    And No, Nick Griffin did NOT of course ever once publicly mention the rotting, stinking, poisonous can of worms called the JQ EVER – because he was more than intelligent enough to understand that, had he ever done so, his political termination would have come even more quickly than it eventually did.

    So instead, he fought largely alone for a political voice and visibility for the mass of ignored, dis-enfranchised, sneered-at, indigenous White British people swamped by a tidal wave of Jew-led nation-wrecking multicultural evil despite the endless attempts by his enemies to silence him, and the disloyalty on many levels of some of even his own closest friends and advisors in the BNP. His history has long since persuaded me that he is hands-down simply one of the most highly-intelligent, historically well-read, perceptive, balanced and deeply nationally-loyal, honest men this nation has ever produced. He is, and always was, a Nigel Farage, but for the really hard stuff – like trying to convince a stupid, brainwashed and deeply lazy people that their own national interests are being compromised and fatally undermined – but by mortal enemies at home and in full political power instead of by the socialist fools, liars and losers in the EU.

    So as for your question, I would think he is very unlikely to be even remotely interested in “trying to distance himself from his past as leader of the British National Party” as, in the minds of most observers, he already completed that particular exercise in political masochism many years ago. But, unlike his erstwhile ally and ideological one-time friend Tommy Robinson, Nick Griffin never decided to take the Jew money to support him in his efforts to publish the truth about “British Moslems” – or take the freebie publicity trips to Israel which went with it – preferring instead to go on telling the un-Jewed facts about the state of Britain and the reasons why. For which reason, the last I heard, Nick Griffin – one of the most loyal Britons who ever lived – was still living in a cramped flat, having been repeatedly sued to near-bankruptcy by ((( those who never forget ))), and ekes out a kind of living by writing articles for many and various disrespected publications and websites as available.

    Like… this one. Don’t forget this one.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  187. @Dave Bowman

    I seem to remember something about the moon landings being carried out by Americans.

    Of course. Not without help of Stanley Kubrick.

    The Soviet Union performed the first hard Moon landing in 1959.

    In 1966, the USSR accomplished the first soft landings and took the first pictures from the lunar surface during the Luna 9 and Luna 13 missions.

    The Soviet Union achieved the first uncrewed lunar soil sample return with the Luna 16 probe on 24 September 1970.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing

  188. @Been_there_done_that

    OMG! Scott Ritter may have been sound about the evidence for the Bucha massacre being dodgy. That’s about his lay grade. But after that he sounds quite lunatic about Germany rearming. (Apart from anything else he gives no glimpse of understanding the new demographics between say 1913 when 2 million Germans were born and today when, for a long time now, Germany’s TFR has been well below replacement. Then he goes on about Russia being prepared for sanctions so the ruble will be able to replace the dollar!

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  189. @Mike_from_Russia

    I gather as much. Each side tries to anticipate the other side’s actions and responses and prepares for them and should have a reasonable assessment of the other side’s strengths and weaknesses. The Ukraine cannot possibly be a walk over and I doubt the Russian high command thought so but many of us observers on the Internet did. Yugoslavia was able to survive the three month bombardment by NATO and save much of its tank force and other heavy military equipment and I don’t think Ukrainians are any less smarter.

    1999 war against Yugoslavia

    Yugoslav material losses:
    NATO estimate: 120 tanks, 220 APCs, 450 artillery pieces and 121 aircraft destroyed
    Yugoslav estimate: 13 tanks, 6 APCs, and 6 artillery pieces destroyed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

    So only this after three months! And the Ukraine is far bigger and with far more military hardware. And they’re being resupplied, especially with old Soviet hardware from former Warsaw block countries. It won’t be easy.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_Russia
  190. @Ron Unz

    I was too quick to say good things about Scott Ritter because he sounded measured and sensible enough on the Bucha massacre. However, after that he went right off his head as I have just said to Been_there_done_that.

  191. @peterAUS

    BUT, he IS one of THEM, so probably retirement in Israel

    I doubt it. He has a mansion in Miami – courtesy of his friend, sponsor and private advisor, the parasite ((( Kholomoisky ))) – creator of the Azov Battalion, defrauder of a Russian bank on an almost incomprehensible scale, hater of Putin as a result of his exile – and easily one of the richest – and most dangerous – men in Europe.

    Where are the real Nazis when you need them ?

  192. @Commentator Mike

    Now there is a largely contact war going on. The S-300 complexes were identified before destruction not by a static picture, but by a dynamic picture from the drones of their concealment after use.

  193. @Ron Unz

    I am certainly in agreement with you about these “documentaries”.

    PS As per my comment #12 on the latest Pat Buchanan article

    Paul Craig Roberts, Mike Whitney, Pepe Escobar, Boyd Cathey, Michael Hudson, Nick Griffin, Rolo Slavskiy and others all deal with Ukraine and the fallout. Your obsession with Sailer and Unz is completely misplaced – neither have any real military knowledge.

    The point you should be making is this.
    All of the above writers deal very largely with the political, economic and social ramifications of the Conflict. UR has no specialist military columnist to deal with the actual military aspects of the Conflict and give his assessment. The best that Mr Unz can recommend is that we watch a video of ex-UN Weapons Inspector and convicted sex offender, Scott Ritter. ( #85, MSM’s Bucha Tall Tale by Nick Griffin )

    There have been a very small number of military writers at UR, none recent. Patrick Lang didn’t find it congenial and quickly left. Andrei Martyanov and Mr Unz seem to have fallen out terminally. The lack of a military columnist at UR is a glaring weakness of the website. There are a lot of wars out there and they need to be covered from a military perspective. I’m sure Mr Unz is well aware of the weakness and is trying to do something about it. Let’s hope he is able to do so quickly.

  194. @Mefobills

    Yes, it’s been obvious (at least for me) that he is quite professional in his comments. This looks the work of either someone quite trained in propaganda techniques, or/and the work of a team.

    I found the best way to deal with him is to ignore him. Because when someone tries to engage, he never stops.

  195. EugeneGur says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Note that the Germans, unlike the Poles or Romanians, had a good relationship with Russia; they are also heavily dependent on Russian gas.

    Yes, they are dependent on the Russian gas. However, that doesn’t translate into anything like “good relationship”. May I remind you that Germany was one of the ardent supporters of the Ukrainian coup; Germany was among those countries that made an agreement with the ousted President Yanukovich and then let him be betrayed the very next day; Germany was one of the “guarantors” of the MinskII agreement and did absolutely nothing to stop a war against Donbass always taking the side of Ukraine. In short, Germany in Ukraine supported exactly the same type of people, the Ukrainian Nazis, the Nazi Germany used to employ to do its dirty work. Just because Russia didn’t bring this up for some time doesn’t mean we failed to notice. Not to mention that Navalny escapade. This latest “revelation” is exactly along the same lines.

    If it is true that some Russian soldiers are using rifles from the 1940s,

    You like fairy tales, don’t you? Such rifles weren’t in use even in 1945, and today they are probably prized rarities. However derelict the Russian communications systems might be, it’s doubtful they are used by soldiers for private chats.

    • Replies: @JR Foley
  196. S says:

    By now most have probably heard about the recent Kramatorsk train station attack and the dozens tragically reported to have died. As Orwell cautioned us, be weary and retain a healthy skepticism in regards to any claims made surrounding such events. Do your own independent research regarding them and draw your own conclusions.

    ‘The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself..’

    1984 Part 2, Chapter 5

    ‘As though to harmonize with the general mood, the rocket bombs had been killing larger numbers of people than usual. One fell on a crowded film theatre in Stepney, burying several hundred victims among the ruins. The whole population of the neighbourhood turned out for a long, trailing funeral which went on for hours and was in effect an indignation meeting. Another bomb fell on a piece of waste ground which was used as a playground and several dozen children were blown to pieces.’

    ‘There were further angry demonstrations, Goldstein was burned in effigy, hundreds of copies of the poster of the Eurasian soldier were torn down and added to the flames, and a number of shops were looted in the turmoil; then a rumour flew round that spies were directing the rocket bombs by means of wireless waves, and an old couple who were suspected of being of foreign extraction had their house set on fire and perished of suffocation.’

    Yet according to Winston’s girlfriend Julia:

    ‘The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, ‘just to keep people frightened’. This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.’

    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/12.html

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  197. S says:
    @GMC

    The flag was picked because they call themselves – Rebels –

    Sure, but couldn’t they have found a more positive and uplifting symbol for themselves than a design that closely parallels a flag associated with chattel slavery, that has been succesfully equated in the public’s mind with National Socialism and it’s swastika, and represents an effort referred to historically as the ‘Lost Cause’, because, after all, they lost.

    It’s bad enough when people in the US do such nonsensical things, but worse still when foreigners do it.

    Again, poison pilling.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

    • Replies: @GMC
  198. Wielgus says:
    @S

    Terry Gilliam’s film Brazil has “terrorist” bombs going off periodically, with the strong implication that they are false flags to justify the film’s highly oppressive police state.

    • Thanks: S
  199. S says:
    @Sepp

    In the “Russia & the Great Reset – Resistance or Complicity?” debate I linked to above, it is interesting that “Russia is complicit” side came up with many examples: digital surveillance, mandatory vaccinations, vaxx-pass, CBDC.

    Trump and Putin are counterparts to each other.

    When times are bad and people are desperate, they often lose their healthy skepticism and believe in things (and people) they normally wouldn’t.

  200. @Dave Bowman

    Impassioned defence of Mr Griffin. you seem to know him very well.

    But I have 2 questions.

    1) Now that his political career is completely over, as you insist, why does he continue to omit all mention of Jewish and Zionist involvement.

    2) I was unaware that Tommy Robinson was “the erstwhile ally and ideological one-time friend” of Mr Griffin. Please elucidate

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  201. @Dave Bowman

    Wow! That guy is good at recognising regional accents. It’s like a Brit copping that someone’s from Languedoc, or a USAmerican thinking that Mexican must be from Oaxaca.

  202. No mainstream story is complete without the MI6 and a Judah…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  203. JR Foley says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Makes complete sense if you follow the Ukrainian calendar: March 30 the Russian army departs and on April 1 the Western Ukrainian arrives and NO REPORT of civilian murders but April 3 arrives Azov crew and then —the shootings–same as Mariopul —-you shoot and kill civilians and bomb infrastructure to blame the Russians. However we all know in the Ukraine April 3 comes before March 30 and Chrystia Freeland’s grandfather was Stepan Bandera’s Newsman—–and Chomiak wen to Canada and now his granddaughter is Justin Jackboot’s second in command —a she Himmler.

  204. JR Foley says:
    @EugeneGur

    Nazi —both Germany and Ukraine —exactly—peach of a pair ???

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  205. @Hiram of Tyre

    Not a big deal if understood in forensic legal terms as our side pitching the weight of expert evidence against evidence purporting to be of fact but actually false.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  206. EugeneGur says:
    @JR Foley

    Nazi —both Germany and Ukraine —exactly—peach of a pair ???

    Sure seems like a match made in heaven.

  207. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Scott Ritter may have been sound about the evidence for the Bucha massacre being dodgy. That’s about his lay grade. But after that he sounds quite lunatic about Germany rearming.

    Well, I only watched about the first 45m of the almost 4 hour(!!!) video interview, so I can’t say about those other things you mention. In a previous interview, I thought his political analysis of the China/Taiwan conflict was very doubtful, but he’s a military expert so I don’t really care about his opinion on those other matters.

    One thing that I really noticed was that Ritter is extremely “conventional/mainstream” in his views about WWII and Nazi Germany, which I think he sincerely believes is the most evil regime in the history of the world. Personally, I think he’d benefit from reading my long WWII article or even my recent Putin/Hitler piece, but he’s obviously busy with other things right now.

    Perhaps at some point, he’ll start to consider that standard history is often merely the congealed version of past propaganda, and if he’s so skeptical about what the MSM today says about Russia, perhaps he should be equally skeptical about what it said about Germany 70-odd years ago.

    I did glance at that Timothy Snyder column about genocide, which looked foolish to me. Sure, the Russians are saying ridiculous things about “genocide” in Ukraine, but America has been saying even more ridiculous things about the “genocide” of the Uighurs in China. It’s just the standard inflation of political rhetoric, and everything is called “genocide” these days.

    Even worse, he seemed totally ignorant about the important alliance between the Zionist Jews and Nazi Germany, so he’d certainly benefit from reading my article on that subject.

    I think Bloodlands from a dozen years ago made Snyder’s career, and since so much of it deals with Ukraine, I finally decided to read it a few weeks ago. It wasn’t terrible, but I also wasn’t terribly impressed since the author seemed to credulously accept all sorts of very doubtful Jewish Holocaust narratives without question, which I’m sure was good for his career.

  208. Telegram channels about current events in Ukraine that I trust
    Gonzalo Lira (in English)
    https://t.me/s/realCRP

    Patrick Lancaster News Today (in English)
    https://t.me/PatrickLancaterNewsToday

    Rybar (in Russian)
    https://t.me/s/rybar

    The world of Mikhail Onufrienko( in Russian)
    https://t.me/Mikle1On

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  209. @Rahan

    Surely the town was chosen for that false flag exactly because the name invites such wordplay in English. Mr Zelenski’s CIA and MI6 handlers know how to exploit a soundbute for English speaking sheeple.

    • Agree: acementhead
  210. GMC says:
    @S

    Go ask the Donbass guys. Then remember that this flag was a legitimate Confederate Military flag and had ZERO racist meanings until the ADL got a hold of it. Obviously the Russians understand more about our Civil War ” politics” than Americans do.

  211. Thanks. One quibble. It is not comparing likes with likes when you compare Western blather about genocide of the Uighurs** with what Snyder quotes from the Russians themselves through their state controlled media. I suggest more than a “glance”.

    As it happens I followed up on a Commenter writing off Snyder for comparing Trump to Hitler. By Googling “Snyder Hitler Trump” I came across the learned and readable

    https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2021/01/why-trump-isnt-fascist

    by David Irving’s nemesis as exprrt witness Richard Evans. It mildly reproved Snyder and others for applying “fascist” to Trump and to me is convincing though not particularly relevant to answering the charge against Russia which the commenter wished to do.

    ** Contemporary extended definitions of genocide would affirm that China was intending cultural genocide. I am still waiting for applause and acclamation for my pointing out that excellent high minded precedent was set by the Christian orders who ran the cosy little concentration camps which educated Native Canadians and Australian Aborigines.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
  212. @Ron Unz

    As I said to a commenter who liked getting his military advice from all those loud-mouthed former junior officers of long ago maybe he would also listen to a recently retired general about whom I know nothing except that he is/was an Australian general whose motivation almost certainly is to be kept on as an op ed columnist because he gets things right.

    Here

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-s-defence-strategy-is-masterful-and-may-yet-deliver-a-victory-20220328-p5a8qf.html

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  213. @Ron Unz

    One thing that I really noticed was that Ritter is extremely “conventional/mainstream” in his views about WWII and Nazi Germany, which I think he sincerely believes is the most evil regime in the history of the world

    Thank you very much, Ron, on behalf of all, for your whole fine and clear-headed comment. Perhaps with your knowledge and wide contacts you might be able to clear something up for me – which certainly no one else seems able to:

    Is Scott Ritter Jewish ?

    1) His Wikipedia entry seems very determined to mention NOTHING whatever of his family background, other than:

    Ritter was born into a military family in 1961 in Gainesville, Florida

    As a Brit I’m open to correction, but I understood that some parts of Florida are very heavily Jewish. Circumstantial, obviously, but is it relevant ?

    2) I almost thought this was a Wikipedia bad joke – but I suspect not:

    Ritter was amongst a group of UNSCOM weapons inspectors that regularly took Lockheed U-2 imagery to Israel for analysis, as UNSCOM was not getting sufficient analysis assistance from the US and UK. This was authorized by UNSCOM, the US U-2 having been loaned to UNSCOM, but caused Ritter to be subjected to criticism and investigation by US authorities. Iraq protested about the supply of such information to Israel.

    A military man, a partial career history with the United Nations, then… Israel. Spying, by any other name. Really ?

    3) This gem – tossed in almost as an afterthought by Wikipedia at the end of it’s intro. I guess it’s pretty surprising it’s there at all:

    Ritter is a registered sex offender, having been convicted of unlawful contact with a minor and five other charges in a 2011 trial.

    4) And finally, the face. Between the eyes, the wiry hair, and the… umm… nose… he certainly looks pretty “standardly” Jewish to me:

    (This main Wiki page photo even being taken by a Jew).

    So, given all of the above, I don’t think it’s irrelevant to ask the question – and to point out my own view that it’s really hardly surprising that Ritter “sincerely believes”…

    [Nazi Germany] … is the most evil regime in the history of the world

    And Yes, I’m sure he (might) benefit from reading your long WWII article – but I rather doubt he’d ever have a moment’s interest in doing so> And if he did – and if he is Jewish – nothing in it would be likely to have the slightest effect on his ” extremely “conventional/mainstream” ” views.

  214. @Verymuchalive

    For clarification:

    No, I have never met Nick Griffin in person, and he certainly wouldn’t know me from Adam. But I admire and deeply respect his life course, dedicated wholly to the rescue and better future and welfare of his suffering and near-destroyed nation – and mine.

    1) I have no idea. Perhaps he just doesn’t want any more bankruptcy. Perhaps he’s tired of the “powerless minority” (TM) effortlessly destroying his life. Perhaps he’s just given up.

    2) My meaning was simply that, for much of their early careers, Griffin and Robinson, as committed White British activists, shared a broad ideological goal of somehow ultimately ridding the UK of the millions of criminally-minded Blacks, and Moslem parasites and religious maniacs who have beaten, raped, trafficked and murdered our females, infiltrated our political life with their endless (Jew-funded) lobbying for, first, “equality”, then “favoured status” above and beyond the indigenous British people in everything from job recruitment to social benefit handouts (but mostly handouts), and who have between them transformed the inner-city face of this nation to just another filthy, stinking third-world hellhole in just a few horrific decades of continuous un-debated, un-voted and completely unwanted mass-immigration.

    But other than that very broad shared goal, Robinson (Yaxley-Lennon) and Griffin have taken a diametrically-opposite approach to the problem – the former preferring to concentrate entirely on the “here-and-now” reality of the Moslem corruption of the nation – and to make many Jewish “friends” in the process, seemingly without any comprehension of the “useful idiot” he has become to those who control the narrative, and the latter ( I believe due to an infinitely superior intellect) seeing from the very beginning the much deeper and long-standing, well-understood, and seemingly intractable problem of the “man behind the curtain” in the Western world, whose hand controls all things – and ruthlessly destroys all committed opponents.

    But having said all that, and despite their initial broad shared political goals many years ago, to the best of my knowledge (and I have searched), at no time have Robinson and Griffin ever actually publicly met – even to the point of sharing a platform at any event. Make of that what you will.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  215. @Ron Unz

    I did glance at that Timothy Snyder column about genocide, which looked foolish to me. Sure, the Russians are saying ridiculous things about “genocide” in Ukraine, but America has been saying even more ridiculous things about the “genocide” of the Uighurs in China. It’s just the standard inflation of political rhetoric, and everything is called “genocide” these days.

    The difference is that the article that Snyder quotes is ostensibly written by a pro-Russian, and is published on the website of an official Russian news agency. Yet the genocide that it frankly espouses is to be committed by its own side, not by the enemy!

    It is the opposite of saying “Yes, there was a massacre in Bucha, but the Ukrainians did it.” It is saying that the bulk of the Ukrainian population has been nazified, and we are going to denazify them, including by killing the hard-line Nazis, and following up with a 25-year program of re-education.

    Looking at aspects of the document other than the genocidal, it seems to describe Russian military plans: the division of Ukraine into a Western, neutral country to be inhabited by “haters of Russia”, the remainder to be under Russian jurisdiction. This seems consistent with what has actually happened, except that the Western part may turn out larger than the Russians had expected. The Russian view of Ukraine’s Western aspirations is as negative as if the territory were being conquered by the Germans. Russia expects to cut its ties with the West.

    Bur why has this been published? Are the author Timofey Sergeytsev and the state-owned publisher RIA Novosti so gung-ho that they do not care if we know Russia’s plans? Or is it disinformation, intended to scare the Ukrainians into defending the entire country while Russia redeploys its forces to achieve more limited goals in the Donbas? Perhaps it is intended for domestic consumption.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  216. crabew says:

    see, if the Russians would not have invaded the Ukraine,
    nothing like that would have happend.

    Instead of screaming about Ukraine Nazis,
    it would be better, to put all these Russian IDIOTS into jail — not killing them.

    You must understand, that there are a lot of humans in this world,
    who do know and have a good feeling about good or bad,
    right or wrong.
    With your verbal tries to dis-inform all humans, you will be totally unsuccessful.

    Drag your asses back to Russia, worship Putin and die happy!!!

    Your friends of GOD !!!

    • Troll: DevilAdvocate
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  217. @Dave Bowman

    I can understand Nick Griffin’s reluctance now, given all he has undergone. Thanks for telling me

    My understanding re Robinson is that he has been a Deep State, probably MI5, asset almost from the start. On the one hand, he acts as a sort of controlled opposition, on the other he attracts the more gullible “white nationalists”( at least these people think they are) who can then be tracked and monitored by MI5. The strong suspicion must be that some of these dupes will be used in future false flag operations.

    I was sure that someone of Nick Griffin’s intelligence, education and experience would know this and avoid Robinson and his associates accordingly. Thank you for confirming my belief.

  218. “During the offensive operation of the People’s Militia units of the LPR, a portable identifier of Verifinder SN20 radioisotopes manufactured by the American company Symetrica was found on the positions recaptured from the armed formations of Ukraine.
    According to official data, this equipment was not supplied to the territory of Ukraine as part of military assistance, and is also not on free sale, as it is intended directly for supplies to the law enforcement agencies of the United States of America.”
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/41051

  219. @anastasia

    “I find it very hard to believe that the entire Congress is going along with this charade. Does Congress know? If they do, it must be because they have so much to gain personally.”

    “I find it very hard to believe…”

    I don’t. It’s not that which they stand to gain, by going along, but that which they stand to lose if they don’t.

    You must have missed

    the servile US congress.

  220. @Mike_from_Russia

    Thanks. Particularly for Rybar. The others I knew from Youtube but haven’t checked their telegram channels. I can’t read russian but the automatic translation works fairly well.
    Intel Slava Z also looks good and it’s in english.

  221. @Sepp

    He does play chess but you don’t play chess when the adversary plays black magic in your brain. You then play yoga. But when your formation is that of a secret agent, they wouldn’t have hired you if you had done yoga.

  222. @Wizard of Oz

    That was bizarre! Your Aussie general has swallowed the (((media))) hook, line, and stinko. His first picture is of “israel”! He thinks Russia invades and Ukraine defends. No mention of the (((US))) coup. Blithely ignores the eight years of Ukrainians killing other Ukrainians and shelling their cities.

    Russia offered peace first. That sinister Jewish comedian forced Ukraine to war instead. Russia has moved slowly, letting civilians escape so the battlefield becomes clearer. Ukrainian militants are shooting their own civilians.

    Your Aussie thinks this is about Russia attacking Ukraine. He doesn’t see the US attacking Europe. Russia will win, of course. Ukraine may survive as a demilitarised rump state with no-one speaking Polish, Hungarian, or Russian. Zelensky is batting for another team altogether.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  223. @crabew

    Rubbish, crabew! It had already been happening for eight years. How many Ukrainians have been killed by Ukrainians since 2014?
    https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/the-curious-butchers-of-bucha

  224. @Badger Down

    Thank you for making so clear how I can save time in future.

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