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Michael Kellogg
The Russian Roots of Nazism: White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917–1945
Cambridge University Press, 2005

With the near-universal demonization of the Third Reich, historians have developed a blind spot for the genesis of German anti-Semitism. Michael Kellogg, in his 2005 work The Russian Roots of Nazism, sheds a sharp light on this topic and points our attention eastward. He reveals how the post-World War I atrocities of the Soviet Union along with the presence of a large, vengeful, and politically active White émigré population in Weimar Germany played a critical role in developing National Socialist attitudes on Jews and Bolshevism. And in making this argument, he not only addresses the errors of other historians, but he also makes an indirect case for much of Nazism itself.

Kellogg’s work is crucial for several reasons, most prominent being the facts themselves. The interwar period in Germany, the Baltic states, and Ukraine were roiled in conflict, intrigue, revolution, and, most of all, uncertainty. It was an interesting time. More importantly, it was consequential. Any history that discloses previously unknown or overlooked events from that time and place will have value.

Kellogg also exhibits remarkable academic discipline by not taking sides in the political drama he unfolds. There is nothing tendentious about The Russian Roots of Nazism aside from its pointed historiography. This is good since it lets the facts speak for themselves. On the other hand, Kellogg’s avoidance of a broader political schema makes the book a bit of a slog. It’s not biased, but it’s not sexy, either. But Kellogg’s prose is tight and serviceable, and he offers concise summaries at the end of each chapter and at the end of the book for those who wish to skim.

The Russian Roots of Nazism can also be viewed as a strike against the anti-German racism of Jewish writers such as Daniel Goldhagen. In his 1996 work, Hitler’s Willing Executioners, Goldhagen accuses the Germans of being inherently racist, anti-Semitic, and “eliminationist.” This takes the extreme form of what’s known as the Sonderweg (special path) thesis, which posits the inevitability of the Third Reich, given the weakness of the German bourgeoisie. Kellogg demolishes this idea by uncovering the foreign influences of National Socialism during its formative years and also by portraying Adolf Hitler in his mid-thirties and other early-period Nazis as three-dimensional human beings rather than comic book villains.

Most importantly, Kellogg demonstrates how the Nazis may have had excellent reasons for their anti-Semitism and their anti-Bolshevism, thereby justifying much of what they did during the interwar period. This may not have been Kellogg’s intention. Regardless, by eschewing a political agenda and by relying so heavily upon National Socialist primary sources (rather than the mountain of secondary sources that condemn the Nazis), Kellogg leaves the door open for a revisionist, and much more positive, interpretation of National Socialism.

Our story may as well begin in German-occupied Ukraine in 1918. After Soviet Russia’s capitulation in the war, many disaffected Russian and Ukrainian officers began cooperating with their German counterparts, bonding over their shared sense of nationalism and their mutual hatred for the Bolsheviks. When the Germans abandoned Ukraine the following year, they took thousands of these so-called “White” officers with them, including some, such as Vladimir Biskupsky, Ivan Poltavets-Ostranitsa, Pavel Bermondt-Avalov, Fedor Vinberg, and Piotr Shabelsky-Bork, who would work closely with the Nazis in years to come. Shabelsky-Bork deserves special mention because he was the first to transfer the forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to the West, thereby unleashing one of the most famous conspiracy theories upon the world.

As the Ukrainian Biskupsky became a leader among the 600,000 White émigrés in Weimar Germany, he also became one of two de facto leaders of a secret, conspiratorial organization known as Aufbau (or, Reconstruction) which promoted a particularly urgent strain of apocalyptic anti-Semitism. Max von Scheubner-Richter, a Baltic German émigré from Latvia, was the other, and soon this organization had had great influence upon the nascent Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler himself. In fact, Scheubner-Richter grew quite close to Hitler and marched arm-in-arm with him during the failed 1923 Putsch in Munich where he was shot and killed. Thereafter, Hitler considered him a martyr for National Socialism.

Two other White émigrés, Alfred Rosenberg, another Baltic German, and the Russian Fedor Vinberg, became leading theorists of National Socialism, with Rosenberg ultimately gaining the most stature in the Nazi Party. Publisher and early Hitler mentor Dietrich Eckart introduced Rosenberg to Hitler, and the men quickly grew to admire each other. When Hitler was imprisoned after the Munich Putsch, he appointed Rosenberg as his successor. By World War II, this émigré was so embedded in high-level Nazi operations that the Allies rewarded him at Nuremburg with a sentence of hanging.

Bavaria in the early 1920s was a unique petri dish of nationalist and anti-Semitic ideas and action. Stirred into the mix were the völkisch Germans. These were Aryan identitarians, Teutonic traditionalists, and Thule Society people who drew racialist ideas from the likes of Arthur Schopenhauer, Richard Wagner, and Houston Stewart Chamberlain. Many of these people were still smarting over the revolution of 1918, which forced the Kaiser to abdicate, and shared a distrust of Jews for their materialistic and “world-affirming” (that is, non-heroic, non-transcendent) behavior.

Add to this the White émigrés who brought with them not only The Protocols but the hyper-nationalist ideas of Fyodor Dostoevsky and Vladimir Solovev. A militaristic form of Christianity played into this as well, with the great Jew-Gentile struggle often being portrayed in Biblical terms. These were people who had witnessed firsthand Red atrocities during the October Revolution and the Russian Civil War and had experience in the Tsar’s army or in the reactionary organization, the Black Hundreds. It’s no wonder they blamed the Jews for upending their world. Their world had been upended, and they couldn’t help but notice how a disproportionate number of Bolsheviks were Jews, especially at the top.

The result was an explosive burst of national and anti-Jewish sentiment which culminated in 1933 when Adolf Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany. Kellogg repeatedly stresses that without the Whites who were more anti-Semitic and anti-Bolshevik than the Germans after World War I, the National Socialists would likely not have been as successful as they were. No so-called “far-Right” organization in Germany before the Nazis had garnered popular support. This does away with the notion that the Germans were somehow inherently anti-Semitic. Where Goldhagen insists that “German antisemitism was sui generis,” Kellogg demonstrates that it was the powerful gestalt of the German völkisch movement and the White fear and fascination with Jewish Bolshevism which was sui generis.

Hitler harbored standard socialist views well into 1919. Hitler’s former immediate commander on the Western Front in World War I, Aide-de-Camp Hans Mend, asserted that his earlier underling had exclaimed towards the end of 1918 in Munich, “Thank God that the kings’ crowns have fallen from the tree. Now we proletarians have something to say”. . .

Hitler only began to develop a detailed anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic ideology beginning in the second half of 1919 through his collaboration with Eckart and Rosenberg, who served as his early mentors. Mend confirmed Hitler’s rapid political lurch from the far left to the far right in postwar Munich. When he heard Hitler speak publicly at the beginning of 1920, he thought, “Adi has changed his colors, the red lad!” In addition to borrowing anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic ideas from Eckart and Rosenberg, Hitler soon learned far-right concepts that castigated “Jewish Bolshevism” from the Aufbau ideologues Scheubner-Richter and Vinberg as well.

The White émigrés from 1918 to 1923 lent a sense of Manichean urgency to the postwar German zeitgeist. It was, in effect, good versus evil, Christ versus Anti-Christ, and the slew of conspiracy theories emanating from the Aufbau circle painted this struggle in the starkest black and white. For example, one theory posited that Leon Trotsky was a Satanist who practiced Black Mass rituals in the Kremlin and prayed to the Devil for the defeat of the Whites. But this alliance was also practical. If the v ölkisch Germans and the émigré Whites didn’t have the exact same enemies, their shared ethnocentrism gave them similar goals. Whereas the Whites aimed to conquer the Soviet Union and remove the Jewish yoke from the Slavic peoples, the Germans needed to defy the Entente and overthrow the socialist, pro-Soviet Weimar government. There was quite of bit of overlap here, and Hitler’s Nazi Party approved of the White plan to invade the Soviet Union and liberate independent republics such as Russia and Ukraine. Hitler indeed had a great interest in Nazifying Ukraine, which Kellogg believes was the deciding factor behind his disastrous order for the Wehrmacht to strike south in August 1941 when it was a mere 200 miles from Moscow.Hitler only began to develop a detailed anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic ideology beginning in the second half of 1919 through his collaboration with Eckart and Rosenberg, who served as his early mentors. Mend confirmed Hitler’s rapid political lurch from the far left to the far right in postwar Munich. When he heard Hitler speak publicly at the beginning of 1920, he thought, “Adi has changed his colors, the red lad!” In addition to borrowing anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic ideas from Eckart and Rosenberg, Hitler soon learned far-right concepts that castigated “Jewish Bolshevism” from the Aufbau ideologues Scheubner-Richter and Vinberg as well.

The Whites contributed more than energy and ideas to the National Socialist cause before 1923. It also provided money and manpower. Many who marched during the doomed Munich Putsch were Whites, as were many of the soldiers who fought alongside the Germans against the Bolsheviks during the Latvian Intervention of 1919. Boris Brazol, a white émigré in the United States funneled much-needed funds from industrialist Henry Ford and worked closely with Scheubner-Richter. Brazol, notably, was a contributor to Ford’s anti-Semitic newspaper The Dearborn Independent and also translated Dostoevsky’s Diary of a Writer into English. More importantly, Kirill Romanov, exiled heir apparent to Tsardom in Russia, gave tremendous sums to the White-Nazi alliance. Many Whites supported his bid for power, and so did Hitler.

Sadly, many White émigrés opposed Kirill in favor of his cousin Nikolai who also aspired to Tsardom. The Nikolai faction, led by the émigré Nikolai Markov II, was Russian imperialist in nature and supported restoring Russia to its pre-1917 borders. Hitler and the Aufbau contingent preferred the more ethnocentric solution of petty nationalism in the defeated Soviet Union, with Russia, Ukraine, and other republics becoming independent entities. This impasse festered into acrimony and hatred among the Whites, and effectively prevented the invasion of the Soviet Union that they all so desperately wanted.

After the failed Putsch in 1923, White influence began to wane. Regardless, it never went away and, in some ways, enjoyed a resurgence in the 1930s with Alfred Rosenberg’s success in the Nazi Party. However, if there is a flaw to The Russian Roots of Nazism, in my mind, it’s that Kellogg fails to adequately address the issue of Lebensraum, or living space. He gives it minimal attention and quotes the famous passage in Mein Kampf Volume II (1926) in which Hitler insists the Germans “ . . . shift to the soil policy of the future” and “have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.” Lebensraum, with its all imperial implications, clearly violates Aufbau ’s ethnocentric notions of Nazifying Ukraine for the sake of the Ukrainians.

Kellogg seems to think it adequate to demonstrate that Hitler fully developed his Lebensraum ideas only after the 1923 Putsch. Thus, Kellogg abides by his thesis of the Russian roots of Nazism, that is, of how White émigré thought influenced early — and not middle or late — National Socialism. But this is too easy. If Aufbau ideas were truly the roots of Nazism, then why did Hitler reverse some of these ideas by the late 1920s? Kellogg doesn’t quite tell us.

Overshadowing this, however, is Kellogg’s assertion that Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 after his 1939 non-aggression pact with Stalin in part because of the feverish anti-Bolshevism and anti-Semitism of the pre-Putsch White émigrés. The pact had devastated the Whites that were still living in Germany at that time. However,

[T]he cooperation between Hitler and Stalin that so discomfited Germany’s White émigré community did not last long. Hitler soon returned to his intense anti-Bolshevik roots, which he had largely developed during his close interaction with Aufbau in the early 1920s. Even while German armed forces were still engaged in the French campaign in June 1940, Hitler expressed his intention “to take action against the menace of the Soviet Union the moment our military position makes it at all possible.” He issued the first directive for the invasion of the Soviet Union in August 1940 under the telling name Aufbau Ost (Reconstruction East). In titling his planned Soviet campaign Aufbau Ost, Hitler demonstrated the lasting impression that Aufbau’s warnings against “Jewish Bolshevism” had made on his thinking.

Adding to this was how Rosenberg himself had urged Hitler to invade the Soviet Union as well.

Kellogg’s most valuable and revolutionary contribution to our understanding of this time involves his admirable academic restraint. Rarely does he pass judgment on his subjects, and certainly never during the 1918-1923 period on which his book mostly focuses — except in the few cases in which certain émigrés committed crimes such as embezzlement. Yes, in the last few pages, Kellogg rightly deplores the mass murder and extermination of Jews at the hand of Hitler — although, interestingly, he very rarely uses the term “Holocaust.” Rosenberg, who served as the State Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories during the war, greatly facilitated these horrific actions. But note how Kellogg insists on placing these actions within the larger context of Soviet atrocities from decades prior:

Rosenberg viewed his genocidal anti-Semitic actions in the occupied East as retaliation for the depredations of “Jewish Bolshevism.” The November 18, 1941 press release dealing with Rosenberg’s public assumption of the State Minister post stressed that the White émigré had entered politics since “he wanted to protect the German people from the same fate that he had lived through in Moscow.”

And what were these depredations?

In Mein Kampf, Hitler again treated the “Jewish Bolshevik” annihilation of the nationalist Russian intelligentsia. He drew upon Aufbau and Eckartian thought to describe a ruthless Jewish drive for world domination. With the stage set for the “last great revolution,” Hitler argued:

The democratic people’s Jew becomes the blood-Jew and tyrant over people. In a few years he tries to exterminate the national intelligentsia and by robbing the peoples of their natural intellectual leadership makes them ripe for the slave’s lot of permanent subjugation.

He further asserted, “The most frightful example of this kind is offered by Russia, where [the Jew] killed or starved about thirty million people with positively fanatical savagery, in part amid inhuman tortures.”

Kellogg later quotes Mein Kampf, demonstrating how Hitler “combined völkisch German and anti-Bolshevik, anti-Semitic White émigré beliefs” when stating of “the Jew” that

[H]is ultimate goal is denationalization, the muddled half-breeding of the other peoples, the lowering of the racial level of the most superior, as well as the domination of this racial mush through the extermination of the völkisch intelligentsias and their replacement by the members of his own people.

Now, is any of this true? Kellogg doesn’t say — indeed, it’s not his job to say. And we should be thankful for that. A Goldhagian approach, however, would be to dismiss it all as anti-Semitic lies and canards (just like The Protocols!) and smear anyone swayed by them as being irredeemably racist and anti-Semitic.

But with enough research under our belt from historians such as Robert Conquest, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Kevin MacDonald, and others, we now know that Hitler and the White émigrés were much closer to the truth than not. Tens of millions were starved or murdered in the Soviet Union during the 1920s and 1930s, and millions more died in the Great Terror and the Gulag Archipelago. From such authors, we have also learned that a disproportionate amount of the Soviet leadership in all facets of its military and government was indeed Jewish. Soviet Jews as a bloc remained enthusiastic for the Soviet Union even when it was committing its greatest atrocities. Lenin himself (as reported by Yuri Slezkine in The Jewish Century) attributed much of the success of the October Revolution to the Jews:

The fact that there were many Jewish intelligentsia members in the Russian cities was of great importance to the revolution. They put an end to the general sabotage that we were confronted with after the October Revolution. . . . The Jewish elements were mobilized . . . and thus saved the revolution at a difficult time. It was only thanks to this pool of a rational and literate labor force that we succeeded in taking over the state apparatus.

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The Whites and the Nazis may have somewhat exaggerated Soviet crimes and often entertained fanciful conspiracy theories, but they were not wrong in linking Bolshevism to Jews and believing that the Soviet Union posed a dire threat to the West. By not shutting the door on such an interpretation of history, Kellogg indirectly allows the reader to develop a revisionist view of the Nazis as protectors rather than destroyers of civilization. Of course, it’s extremely difficult to justify Nazi atrocities during World War II (and Kellogg does no such thing), but after we read The Russian Roots of Nazism we learn that it was even more difficult to justify the Soviet atrocities which were greater, took place beforehand, and caused millions of Whites to emigrate westward to begin with.

The Whites knew this and they made sure the Nazi knew this. And thanks to Michael Kellogg, we know it too.

(Republished from Counter-Currents Publishing by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Rahan says:

    Excellent!

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  2. - says:

    The more they write about…
    Nazis! Nazis! Nazis!

    the clearer it becomes that…
    Nazis! Nazis! Nazis!

    WERE RIGHT.

    • Agree: BuelahMan
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  3. stozi says: • Website

    As an ethnic German of Russia and (against all reason perhaps) a Tsarist, I agree that this White influence on Nazis is an important story to tell. But there is a glaring gap in the chain of logic in this article. “they were not wrong in linking Bolshevism to Jews and believing that the Soviet Union”. “Linked” is a very vague word. Yes, many Old Bolsheviks were jews, many of whom were precisely the ones purged and killed in the Great Terror. I’m sure there are those who claim Stalin was a jew, but come on. The famines we ordered personally by this non-Jewish Georgian dictator who surrounded himself with a disproportionate number of other Georgians/Transcaucasians in the halls of power. The famines were arranged/permitted as you like by confiscating grain to export and fund rapid industrialization in preparation for war, and, to discipline the peasantry as a class from Ukraine to Kazakhstan whatever their ethnic makeup. Jews were overrepresented earlier on largely because they didn’t have any other options, they were banned from academia and various professions. Don’t under-estimate the proportion of really poor jews in the Russian Empire up to this time who had no schemes but getting by. The biases of a bunch of pogromists shouldn’t be taken as gospel truth. It’s always easy to blame someone else for your defeat. In the same way, my fiercly anti-soviet orthodox co-religionists need to consider how the conduct of the pre-revolutionary church establishment allowed it’s virtual abolishment to be broadly accepted. The church has always been flawed because it is made up of human beings, but people were truly sick of everything establishmentarian by 1917 and were, as a Tsarist one must admit, broadly apathetic or even happy when the last Emperor abdicated. Also remember that there are other far more intellectually interesting movements within the whites like the Eurasianists.

  4. John Hagan says: • Website

    This short video is a satire regarding the US obsession with antisemitism and Israel. Why do you imagie that here are 50 states in the US and 32 Holocaust museums, yet there are only 25 civil war museums. US population is 2% Jewish. Even universities in the US understand that Jewish equity studies have a higher academic appeal than trans gender equity studies.


    Regarding the above article it seems that history can repeat itself.

  5. Wally says:

    Quinn reveals his own pathetic indoctrination, and that of Kellogg, by writing:

    “Yes, in the last few pages, Kellogg rightly deplores the mass murder and extermination of Jews at the hand of Hitler — although, interestingly, he very rarely uses the term “Holocaust.” Rosenberg, who served as the State Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories during the war, greatly facilitated these horrific actions.”

    That would be the “holocaust” / “extermination of Jews” that have easily been proven to be an impossible fraud.

    As for the obviously ridiculous nonsense about Rosenberg see:
    Rosenberg Diary : “The Most Revealing Nazi Documents Ever Found”, By David Merlin: https://codoh.com/library/document/4189/
    exc.:

    “There is no place in the diary where we have Rosenberg or Hitler saying that the Jews should be exterminated,”… “All it said was ‘move them out of Europe’.
    For all his public rants against Jews, Rosenberg rarely dwelled on the central Nazi obsession when he picked up his fountain pen and added to his growing private diary.”

    Rosenberg made the following statement at Nuremberg:

    “The thought of a physical annihilation of Slavs and Jews, that is to say, the actual murder of entire peoples, has never entered my mind and I most certainly did not advocate it in any way. I was of the opinion that the existing Jewish question would have to be solved by the creation of a minority right, by emigration, or by settling the Jews in a national territory over a ten-year period of time.”

    More on the false claims about Alfred Rosenberg: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12541

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  6. GMC says:

    When there are Ghosts in the Closet, one has to be very very careful about keeping them there. When other people know about those ghosts – they can use them – against you. I’ve hinted to a few Russian friends concerning the fact that Germany had been under the Jewish yoke and that Germany was under the impression that the Bolsheviks, that murdered and tortured millions, were in fact Jews – and some were from the US and helped fund the Revolution. I stopped my conversation after saying Hitler was very afraid of this Bolshevik Jewish – Soviet Union. I’ve never gotten a response from my friends , so I dropped it. Maybe, the Russian people are aware of these facts , but don’t wish to bring up the past . Afterall, I’m a Gringo in Russia – what do I know……look at all the skeletons in Washington’s closet .

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  7. Pure anti-Russian propaganda and bullshit. The roots of hitlerism are in Nietzsche.

  8. gotmituns says:

    It doesn’t really matter where the concept of Nazism started. What matters was/is the idea worked until the bankers/Jews started WW2 and we didn’t get to see the outcome of how Hitler’s revolution would have worked. I my own mind, it would he worked well and the Jews couldn’t allow that because their game would have been up. That’s why all these years later after the end of WW2, the anti Nazi/Hitler propaganda is still so intense.

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  9. In WW I Germany was not anti-Semitic to any significant degree. Jews had full rights in Germany which was in marked contrast to Tsarist Russia. East European Jews tended to regard the Germans as liberators when they advanced into parts of the Russian Empire.

    Lloyd George later admitted one of the reasons for the Balfour Declaration was to secure support among east European Jews for the allies and prevent them supporting Germany.

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  10. Furthermore there is evidence Hitler may not have been Anti-Semitic as late as 1919. There is a photograph showing him leading an Army delegation and wearing a mourning armband at the funeral of Kurt Eisner in February 1919.

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  11. @stozi

    You live in America. I just know. Tell me I’m wrong.

    Maybe New York or Florida?

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  12. Another stupid book serving the demonization of Russia.

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  13. … the Nazis may have had excellent reasons for their anti-Semitism and their anti-Bolshevism…

    No shit.

    So do the rest of us.

    So there.

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  14. @Olivier1973

    (((Crétin))): @nokangaroos

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  15. Ugetit says:

    Good article, but what’s with the references to the Protocols being fake?

    On what basis does anyone make the claim?

  16. @Jon Halpenny

    Indeed the Movement struggled for a long time to cross the
    Weißwurst equator (= Main river) – the Prussian intelligentsia regarded them as hooligans; a certain Bavarian/Catholic element – apart from experience with Soviet Munich (((Kurt Eisner))) – is undeniable.
    White Russian emigrés helped to make them respectable.

    A certain pivoting during during the 20s is probably due to Soviet/Reichswehr cooperation (continued under-the-table long after 1928).

  17. Ugetit says:
    @GMC

    I stopped my conversation after saying Hitler was very afraid of this Bolshevik Jewish – Soviet Union. I’ve never gotten a response from my friends …

    I’ve taken to asking the Hitler bashers what they would have done in his place. The only response I’ve ever had, from both friends and foes, is silence. Good thing, too, or they’d get an earful of what I know of legitimate German grievances.

  18. padre says:

    In other words, blaming Russians is not taking sides?

  19. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Russia is starting to recover from over 70 years of Bolshevik looting of her wealth, then anudda 112+ or so years of organized looting by Wall Street financial sharpies that helped those ‘Russian’ oligarchs steal hundreds of billions more.

    Damn near everyone was a Jew, but we can’t speak truths like that in the USA anymore, why that would be anti-Semitic!

    The Silence of the Jews

    After the collapse of the Soviet empire, a group of Zionists in Russia seemingly steeped in ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, lied, cheated, stole, and murdered, their way into virtually all positions of power throughout the country. They used gangs (some of which probably included mossad agents) to intimidate and murder their opponents in order to gain control of between 70-85% of Russia’s industries including most of its natural resources. They also took control of Russia’s media which they then used to elect Boris Yeltsin as President of Russia despite the fact that he was a brain-dead, vodka soaked, alcoholic. Within a matter of years these Russian traitors had become billionaires having stolen vast quantities of Russian assets. They exported as much as possible of their ill-gotten wealth to the Zionist state in Palestine just in case the Russians might ask for their money back.

    https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/the-silence-of-the-jews-documenting-silence-that-russian-oligarchs-are-israelis/

    As for me, I’m still trying to figure out how one gets NAZI from the term National Socialist?

    But you can get NAZI from this term, Ashkenazi.

    While Russia’s infrastructure has vastly improved over the last decade, the USA’s has went to hell, since we spend that on propping up those Wall Street Casinos–owned by whom?–and fighting endless wars for the glory of Apartheid Israel.

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  20. @stozi

    Mostly right, as resident dumb anti-judaists cannot comprehend a bit.

    But, at instinctual level, they’re partly right (just, they’re exaggerating). I’ve long since come to the conclusion:

    1. the vast majority of Jews or people of Jewish extraction are OK. More, they are creative & valuable contributors to the society where they reside.

    2. but there is a segment of Jews, whether ethnically conscious or not, which is profoundly alien & inimical to the Western world (not so much in Islamic & similar cultures). This segment is very influential (or has become) & it is incurable in its hatred towards the Western historical identity (under West, I include all European Christendom, east & west, as well as their descendants).

    There is no grand plan for anything. It’s just that tribal Jewish activists, when they acquire power, tend to be bad news & they may form a hostile elite or sub-elite. Some Jewish persons have noticed that, too: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jewrys-disgraceful-hypocrisy/

    American Jewry’s Disgraceful Hypocrisy

  21. onebornfree says: • Website

    Article synopsis: yet another frickin’ idiot Unz contributor promoting the “benefits” and “joys” of totalitarian Nazism [aka National Socialism], as opposed to its [imagined] opposite , totalitarian Communism, as if there’s any real difference between the two, when, either way, you end up with a top down centrally run society and economy- i.e the few lording it over the many.

    And if anyone out there thinks that somehow, the modern left technocratic, New World Order “green new dealers” are any different from the Commies or national socialists of old, then I would say that they are all “a cup and saucer shy of a full set” , to say the least.

    “If you have total government it makes little difference whether you call it Communism, Fascism, Socialism, Caesarism or Pharaohism. It’s all pretty much the same from the standpoint of the people who must live and suffer under it.” -Gary Allen

    “Why are the super-rich for socialism? Don’t they have the most to lose? I take a look at my bank account and compare it with Nelson Rockefeller’s and it seems funny that I’m against socialism and he’s out promoting it.” Or is it funny? In reality, there is a vast difference between what the promoters define as socialism and what it is in actual practice. The idea that socialism is a share-the-wealth program is strictly a confidence game to get the people to surrender their freedom to an all-powerful collectivist government. While the Insiders tell us we are building a paradise on earth, we are actually constructing a jail for ourselves.” ― Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

    “Regards” onebornfree

    P.s. This “just” in: “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

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    , @JxA
  22. conatus says:

    The Russian Roots of Nazism perhaps would be more about the millions of Deaths caused by the Bolsheviks and inflicted on a seemingly passive population(much like US YTs now) from 1917 to 1935.R.J. Rummel, researched ‘Democide’ or ‘the murder of a people by their own government’ has the Bolseviks Communists murdering over 16 million of their own people.
    Perhaps Hitler had a reason to fear the Communists and invade the Bolshevik Bloodlands. Hitler wanted to prevent the Communist takeover of Germany and the ensuing Democide of Germans. Thus the real Russian roots of Nazism.

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
    Chapter 2. 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period 1917 to 1922 Figure 2.1. Range in Civil War Democide EstimatesTable 2.1. Civil War Period Democide and Other KilledFigure 2.2. Democide Components and Soviet War/RebellionKilled 1917-1922Appendix 2.1Table 2.A. 3,284,000 Victims: SourcesChapter 3. 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928Figure 3.1. Range in NEP Democide EstimatesTable 3.1. NEP Period DemocideFigure 3.2. Democide Components for Civil War andNEP PeriodsFigure 3.3. Soviet Democide and Annual Rate by PeriodAppendix 3.1Table 3.A. 2,200,000 Victims During the NEP Period: Sources, Calculations, and EstimatesChapter 4. 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period 1928-1935 Figure 4.1. Range of Collectivization Democide EstimatesTable 4.1. Collectivization Period DemocideFigure 4.2. Democide Components for Three PeriodsFigure 4.3. Soviet Democide and Annual Rate by Period

  23. Jake says:
    @Rahan

    Good grief, says Charlie Brown.

    The ideas that formed the German National Socialist Worker’s Party were all in place long before WW! started, which means that even if all (rather than a small minority of) Russian emigres had gone to Germany and had done so by 1918, the Russian impact on the formation of the Nazis would have been minimal.

  24. @Rahan

    “Excellent!”

    Is that the best you can do? I would think that the first comment on a given article should be trenchant enough to spur further debate on views expressed thereof not some vapid one word malarkey.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
    , @Rahan
  25. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ugetit

    I believe the arguments over whether the Protocols were real or forged usually ends up as a distraction that only serves to reinforce Jewish victimization.

    The irony is that everything in the Protocols, real or not–and much worse–is already spelled out in horrifying detail in the authentic Jewish Talmud. The Talmud is a blatant manifesto for Jewish supremacy and world domination through what could only be described as satanic principles.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  26. Anti semitism need not be rational if Jews are on their way to dominate the world by hook or crook because no one in their right mind wants to have a yoke around their neck.

  27. Jake says:
    @onebornfree

    This article reads like something commissioned by a coalition of Neocons as justification for permanent war against Russia. It could have been written in an AIPAC office. Idiots of various stripes fall for such reused rubbish almost every time.

    There’s a sucker born every minute.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Disagree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  28. JxA says:
    @onebornfree

    Taxes are not theft. Taxes are the subscription fees you pay to live in civilization. It’s just basic economies of scale. Otherwise good luck building your own personal road, or training yourself to be your own fireman, policeman, and surgeon, on top of your regular job.

    It’s funny how the same people who think taxation is theft are the exact same people who think profiteering is good. Profit is unearned money, by definition. Who do you think pays for profit margins, and how is that not also a form of theft? Why is it bad to give your money to a government, but good to give your money to a multinational corporation?

    I’d rather give my money to a government and get something back than give it to corporations who have no obligation to serve me in any way.

    Government will always exist because governance will always exist whether you’re planning a picnic, an invasion, or a marketing campaign. The question is what sort. Corporatism is just feudalism, a massive step down from modern government models. No thanks, we left the dark ages behind for a reason.

  29. Jake says:
    @Olivier1973

    The roots of Hitler are also in: Hegel, Bismarck, Frederick the Great, Luther, the late 19th century German ‘back to nature/nudist/proto-hippie’ movement, Germanic romanticizing of Germanic paganism.

    The roots of Hitler also are set firmly in his Germanic adoration of the Anglo-Saxon empire, his desire to have a Continental Germanic version.

    The roots of Hitler are anti-Slavic to the core.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  30. This writer recasts Slezkine’s “many Jewish intelligentsia members” as “the Jews”, which is typical for Hitler-worshiping genocide inciters.

    They will never write an honest word about the origins of Russian socialism, both intellectual and activist, which trace back to the 1850’s and earlier, even before Marxism emerged. The members of these radical literary clubs were gentile blue-bloods; they came from army families and large landowning families, and had the best religious educations. They were disgusted by the misery of the peasants in the face of the opulence of manor and church.

    Decades later, with the empire continuing to decline, some secular Jews politicized, joining many anti-tsarist liberal and socialist movements. Around the time of the revolution, some threw in with Lenin’s Bolsheviks, while others, such as Lenin’s would-be assassin, did not. After the revolution, being literate and good at logistics, they filled important roles. In a context of civil war, with much savagery on both sides, not to mention experience of pogroms and predations of such as the Black Hundreds, some of these Jews became terrible butchers.

    But what of “the Jews”? Both before and after the revolution, they were fleeing by the hundred thousand. (A rapid influx of often dishevelled and not sweet-smelling Jews into Germany in the inter-war years created problems.)

    This is not what people do when they feel their co-ethnics are assuming prominence, bringing hopes of good treatment and opportunity.

    The “Judeo-Bolshevism” lie is deployed by those with dreams of personal advancement through butchery and piracy, in order to mesmerize the frustrated, disenchanted and ignorant.

    • Agree: RT
    • LOL: GazaPlanet
    • Troll: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @G J T
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  31. BuelahMan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    1. the vast majority of Jews or people of Jewish extraction are OK. More, they are creative & valuable contributors to the society where they reside.

    According to whom? Name all these valuable contributors’ societal aims.

    I bet you at the very least it is arguable, if not outright lies.

    Since 2007, I have been on a search for the elusive ‘decent jew’ and yet to find one that didn’t lie with abandon, take advantage of me and my good will, outright steal from me, or treat me as an underling.

    From a national perspective, all I have seen is a destruction of the white man’s Great Experiment with a goal of taking full control.

    A majority of jews may stay silent about this (although I imagine that, too, is a blatant lie), but they ALL have benefited from whitey’s orchestrated and purposeful demise by the jew.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  32. More or less ridiculous but hell why not.
    This is totally offensive to Germans.
    Whites did not have a territory, no government and no army.
    Basically Whites were horseman mostly Ukrainian Cossack.
    And ?
    And all Rosenbergs are Jewish clan. Nice people. (I did met some.)
    (You find nice people even amongst Jews.)

    • Replies: @Hillaire
  33. @Carlton Meyer

    Note that millions of ethnic Germans once lived in Russia.

    There importance was far more than their numbers alone would suggest. From Slezjine’s Jewish Century:

    From the late eighteenth to the twentieth century, Germans constituted from 18 to more than 33 percent of the top tsarist officials, especially at the royal court, in the officer corps, diplomatic service, police, and provincial administration (including many newly colonized areas). According to John A. Armstrong, all through the nineteenth century the Russian Germans “carried about half the burden of imperial foreign relations. Equally indicative is the fact that even in 1915 (during the World War I anti-Germanism), 16 of the 53 top officials in the Minindel [Ministry of Foreign Affairs] had German names” … In the 1880s, the Russian Germans (1.4 percent of the population) made up 62 percent of the high officials in the Ministry of Posts and Commerce and 46 percent in the War Ministry.

    … Germans were, occupationally and conceptually, the Jews of ethnic Russia (as well as much of Eastern Europe). Or rather, the Russian Germans were to Russia what the German Jews were to Germany—only much more so.

    The Russian Revolution, according to Slezkine, essentially served to replace the German elite by a Jewish one.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Jett Rucker
  34. Tony C says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    And he was never published at the Times of Israel again…

  35. G J T says:

    In his 1996 work, Hitler’s Willing Executioners, Goldhagen accuses the Germans of being inherently racist, anti-Semitic, and “eliminationist”

    Isn’t this what all Jews claim? Isn’t this the very basis for the current world order and systematic Holocaust™️-prevention program of multiculturalism and white genocide? ‘Germany Must Perish’ laid the blueprint for this deranged belief.

    Ever unable to hold their cards tight to the vest, the psychopathic demon spawn Jews reveal their modus operandi of projection + inversion when they make such claims about Germanic people. All the traits and characteristics attributed to the German people by the synagogue of Satan are manifestly those of Jews themselves, with over 2,000 years of evidence to illustrate the fact. Once it becomes clear that everything the Jew says follows the projection + inversion model, one is baffled that they’ve been able to mindfuck the western world so thoroughly. I shudder to think what that says about us and our ability to throw off this Hebraic yolk.

    The only way, of course, to overcome this Jewish psyop of projection+inversion, as a race rather than as individuals, and see these creatures for what they truly are is to listen to the words of Jesus Christ and embrace him as Lord and Savior. This is the only effective defense against the demonic Jews that transcends politics and therefore assures long-term success. The dissident-right has to find the discernment to disassociate the Zionists calling themselves Christians from the true Christian spirit and Christ himself. This is the ONLY way white Europeans will ever permanently free themselves from Jewish subjugation, because it is the only COMPLETE explanation for the nature and essence of the tribe.

    Jewry isn’t out to destroy the white race merely because we are their most competent ethnic rival; they are out to destroy us because we are their spiritual rival, and they have co-opted and perverted our very identity. With white Europeans out of the picture, they not only have unchallenged supremacy and no one left to expose their biggest lie (yes, even bigger than The Holocaust™️), they will have then overturned the natural order and the will of God Himself. Everything the Jew does is ultimately to accomplish this aim, whether the whole of world Jewry consciously realizes it or not (and certainly many do not). Jewry has stolen far, far more from white Europeans than just our ancestral homelands, and if my brothers and sisters in the dissident-right ever come to understand all that has in fact been stolen from them, Shlomo will finally have something real to kvetch about.

  36. Robjil says:

    Where Goldhagen insists that “German antisemitism was sui generis,” Kellogg demonstrates that it was the powerful gestalt of the German völkisch movement and the White fear and fascination with Jewish Bolshevism which was sui generis.

    Shabelsky-Bork deserves special mention because he was the first to transfer the forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to the West, thereby unleashing one of the most famous conspiracy theories upon the world.

    Mr. Goldhagen lives in the past. What is happening in the present time with Zionism/Jewish Sumpremacism. Will Mr. Goldhagen address that? The Protocols look quite real in our time.

    Here is quote about all this from Patrick Grimm.

    https://rense.com/general81/how.htm

    And on and on it goes. Everything on this list can be easily verified. Jews, mostly Zionist in nature, have spearheaded every movement or cause that now threatens our destruction and brings us to the edge of extinction and annihilation.

    And now the leviathan of Zionism and Talmudic Judaism extends its tentacles into every facet of our country and indeed into almost every other nation and culture residing upon the earth. With its expansion comes the debauching and sundering of all peoples, all heritages and all traditions.

    What will we do to stop it? Will we fear and quake before the strawmen buzzwords of “anti-Semite” and “hater”, or will we stand and battle for the survival of civilization? It is up to all of us, Christians of both the right and the left, moderate Muslims who eschew violence, anti-Zionist Jews of conscience and indeed people of no particular religious persuasion. We must rage against the dying of the light, but that is not enough. All of us must kick at the evil and the darkness of Zionism and Jewish supremacism until it bleeds daylight.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  37. stozi says:
    @Fallingwater

    Belgrade Serbia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    couchsurfing.com/people/stozi

    • Replies: @Fallingwater
  38. gotmituns says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s much more than you suggest. The jews’ve been kicked out of so many countries because they live by no moral code. Nobody can tolerate such horrible people in their midst.

  39. @JxA

    I can see your basic point, but where you are wrong is that gov’t is a monopoly by definition…have you ever dealt with a gov’t bureaucrat vs the owner of the auto body shop, coffee shop, even returns dept at a big company…gov’t operates by force…with gov’t protection multi-nationals can too, but the problem still comes back to gov’t….right now our gov’t is using the forced income tax you pay to surveil you, take away your rights, violate the constitution, and generally enslave you….and you HAVE to pay your tax…noone is forcing you to buy anything from a given company.

  40. GeeBee says:

    Yes, in the last few pages, Kellogg rightly deplores the mass murder and extermination of Jews at the hand of Hitler — although, interestingly, he very rarely uses the term “Holocaust.”

    I find it hard to believe that there are still professional writers whose attempts at research are so feeble that they still don’t understand how flawed this endlessly repeated rubbish about ‘mass murder and exterminations’ is. No-one who has conducted meaningful research into this admittedly fraught subject comes out of it with his belief in the endless ‘evil Nazis’ propaganda intact.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Bookish1
  41. @BuelahMan

    Perhaps 50% overblown, but much of it stands: http://www.jinfo.org/

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  42. @stozi

    Nice Zionist apology. It won’t work. Jews were so thoroughly intertwined with Bolshevism that any and all Talmudic sophistry and manipulation won’t make it not so—it is far too obvious.

    • Replies: @stozi
  43. @Bardon Kaldian

    Completely wrong. Gentile zionists like you two cannot understand that anyone who is intellectually honest, and refuses to do the mental gymnastics required, sees the picture quite clearly.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  44. saggy says:

    With the near-universal demonization of the Third Reich, historians have developed a blind spot for the genesis of German anti-Semitism.

    LOL. Blind spot? You’ve got to be kidding, it is a complete and conscious deception, an Orwellian creation of false history. And it’s so easy to set straight, as Rabbi ben Porat does in this 10 minute video, or, you could read Mein Kampf:




  45. G J T says:
    @Olivier1973

    The roots of “Hitlerism” are in the laws of nature and the human instinct of self-preservation. National Socialism came to power because the German people were under a regime of Jewish enslavement and degradation, in one of the most shocking historical examples of the lack of restraint & self-awareness Jews possess. “Hitlerism” was, in the eyes of the German people, a return to their natural state of being. There was nothing extraordinary, complex or diabolical about it.

    If I had a nickel for every internet commenter, “journalist” and “historian” who tried to psycho-analyze Hitler to fit their own political and historical preconceptions…

    • Agree: GeeBee, Ugetit
  46. HT says:
    @-

    Compare their approach to ours whereby we gave the non-white groups everything they wanted and even turned them into victims that cannot even be criticized. Now we are enemies of our own country who are not even allowed to speak the truth in our own defense. Who can criticize the Nazi approach after seeing what charity and altruism gets you trying to appease angry non-whites.

    • Agree: anaccount
  47. RT says:

    The Russian Roots of Nazism – Ostranitsa, Bermondt, Vinberg, Bork, Scheubner- Richter, Rosenberg…
    Where are the Russians (ethnic Russians) on this list, who were the “roots of nazism”?

  48. G J T says:
    @04398436986

    Stalin’s eventual cleaning of house aside, it takes a special kind of chutzpah to try and untangle Jews from the Bolshevik regime.

    How’s the weather in Tel Aviv?

    • Agree: HT
  49. Schuetze says:
    @GeeBee

    It is no surprise that a “holocaust” believing useful idiot named “Quinn the Eskimo” writes drivel like: “he was the first to transfer the forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

  50. “It is my considered judgement that, had it not been for the Russian Revolution, there would very likely have been no National Socialism; probably no Second World War and no decolonization; and certainly, no Cold War, which once dominated our lives”

    Richard Pipes

  51. Schuetze says:
    @Greg Bacon

    9/11 was a result of the necessity for this same gang of blood sacrificing thieves to cover up the billions of counterfeit 10y treasuries, issued in 1991 and about to mature, that they had used to bankrupt the USSR that they had deliberately stashed in the Solomon Building (Building 7). Conveniently all these treasuries were paid out money good by the Treasury in the ensuing financial crisis in 2001/2. The blood sucking Kazarian vampires not only got away with the theft of the entire resource and industrial base of Russia, they also bilked the US to pay for it. And the world still falls for their claims that the “Nazis” were supremely evil.

  52. Bookish1 says:
    @Olivier1973

    Give me some examples of Nietzsche’s influence on the development of National Socialism

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  53. Schuetze says:
    @Robjil

    Isn’t funny how they NEVER call their book of lies, “The Talmud” a forgery? “Forgery” is the description of the only book that tells only the truth about Satan’s Chosen People.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  54. @Nicolas Bonnal

    Another stupid book serving the demonization of Russia.

    Perhaps you’re correct.

    Identifying the anti-bolshevik sentiment that (probably) played a part in the months and days leading up to National Socialist victory/leadership is not the same thing as blaming Russia for any crimes (real or perceived) that may have been committed by the same…but the average clown who reads the title will not know that.

    I’ll see Kyle later. Will you see Kyle with me?

  55. Bookish1 says:
    @GeeBee

    my idea is that they think that they have to mention holocaust or they wouldn’t get their work published.

  56. Rahan says:
    @Temporary Insanity

    …the first comment on a given article should be trenchant enough to spur further debate on views expressed thereof not some vapid one word malarkey.

    What kind of dog faced pony soldier one horse pony stuff is this?
    Sad!

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  57. @Ugetit

    Actually, I prefer the Henry Ford response to the allegation: It does not matter if they are fake, it fits what is happening today.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Ugetit
  58. Ron Unz says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Actually, I prefer the Henry Ford response to the allegation: It does not matter if they are fake, it fits what is happening today.

    There’s an interesting tidbit relating to the Protocols and the Venona Decrypts that I mentioned in a long article last year:

    The Venona Project constituted the definitive proof of the massive extent of Soviet espionage activities in America, which for many decades had been routinely denied by many mainstream journalists and historians, and its findings also played a crucial secret role in dismantling that hostile spy network during the late 1940s and early 1950s. But Venona was nearly snuffed out just a year after its birth. In 1944 Soviet agents became aware of the crucial code-breaking effort, and soon afterwards arranged for the Roosevelt White House to issue a directive ordering the project shut down and all efforts to uncover Soviet spying abandoned. The only reason that Venona survived, allowing us to later reconstruct the fateful politics of that era, was that the determined Military Intelligence officer in charge of the project risked a court-martial by directly disobeying that explicit Presidential order and continuing his work.

    That officer was Col. Carter W. Clarke, but his place in Bendersky’s book is a much less favorable one, being described as a prominent member of the anti-Semitic “clique” who constitute the villains of the narrative. Indeed, Bendersky particularly condemns Clarke for still seeming to believe in the essential reality of the Protocols as late as the 1970s, quoting from a letter he wrote to a brother officer in 1977:

    If, and a big—damned big IF, as the Jews claim the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were f—- cooked up by Russian Secret Police, why is it that so much they contain has already come to pass, and the rest so strongly advocated by the Washington Post and the New York Times.

    Our historians must surely have a difficult time digesting the remarkable fact that the officer in charge of the vital Venona Project, whose selfless determination saved it from destruction by the Roosevelt Administration, actually remained a lifelong believer in the importance of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Schuetze
  59. @Johnny Johnny

    What you describe is the product of what you elect. The shitbags that end up “representing” you, do no such thing. Sure the odd one seeking to do good for all gets elected, but they are promptly indoctrinated by (((aides))), (((media))), AIPAC and a dozen other entities. By the time re-election comes, they are just another whore for the system. None of that is going to be fixed until election campaigns are funded entirely out of the public purse. Better yet, ban political parties right after banning lobbying, registered or otherwise.
    In my work life I dealt with government on a regular basis. The overwhelming majority of people try to help you, but they are stuck being the messenger for a policy created by a megalomaniac political hack, or the political will of a shitbag politician. The DF that “represents” me avoids answering bluntly asked questions on “politically incorrect” issues, like immigration. That means he only represents his re-election campaign. The POS that opposed him almost ran away from me when I asked him about why his party supported high immigration when we have so many unemployed.
    Government has become discredited, and rightly so, because money supplier, not the candidate, is what you elect.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  60. Cyrano says:

    Inspirational people, those Russians. First they inspired the “civilized” Germans to fight Bolshevik “barbarity”, then they inspired the nazi monkeys to plagiarize the name of the Soviet system, by calling themselves national “socialists”.

    You can’t have it both ways – either the socialism is evil and should be fought tooth and nails – in which case, you don’t pay a homage to it – by calling yourselves “socialists” too, or socialism is actually good, and the nazi agenda was to camouflage themselves as being part of something good, while being pure evil.

  61. In World War I the Germans were pro-Jewish and the Jews of Eastern Europe were pro-German.

    Lloyd George admitted that issuing the Balfour Declaration was motivated largely by the need to wean Jews away from supporting Germany.

    “It seems strange to say that the Germans were the first to realise the war value of the Jews of the dispersal. In Poland it was they who helped the German Army to conquer the Czarist oppressor who had so cruelly persecuted their race. They had their influence in other lands – notably in America, where some of their most powerful leaders exerted a retarding influence on President Wilson’s impulses in the direction of the Allies. {ed. – before the Balfour Declaration} The German General Staff in 1916 urged the Turks to concede the demands of the Zionists in respect of Palestine. Fortunately the Turk was too stupid to understand or too sluggish to move. ”

    http://qumsiyeh.org/balfourdeclaration/

  62. DinoN says:
    @JxA

    Are you aware that your Government collects “Jewish Tax” on stuff you buy in your Supermarket?

  63. @Ron Unz

    Thanks. I did a quick re-read to re-fresh my memory.
    I have always tried to approach things from the perspective of their being 3 sides to a story – yours, mine, and the truth. Any story with a smidgen of credibility will have truth somewhere in it. It is often hidden by failing to understand the context in which it appears, which in itself, can be influenced by perception.
    As one commenter on your site noted some time ago, the Bletchley transcripts were being quietly released, and, like the Venona Transcripts, tell a very different story than the official narrative.
    As for Henry Ford, I was never convinced he was “anti-Semitic”, rather “anti” the conduct of high profile individuals, most of whom were Jews. That he had Jewish engineers and preferred a Jewish architect for many of his plants, in my mind, supports that notion. I have Jewish friends that are openly hostile to some of the “politics” of the local Jewish groups. About the only topic off limits for us is the Holocaust, which is a time bomb best to be avoided.

  64. @Jake

    The roots of Hitler are anti-Slavic to the core.

    C’mon, Hitler was baptized and confirmed as catholic, age 15 in 1904.

    As a bohemian mary worshipper, Adolph loved slavs who loved mary worship.
    Unlike you lad, who hate those opposed to your woman god–such as the Christ.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  65. Schuetze says:
    @Ron Unz

    From the Protocols:

    “But you yourselves perfectly know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people’s relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, by want, so that the goyim see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and all else.

    But if we give nations of the world a breathing space, the moment we long for is hardly likely to ever arrive.”

    Hmm. The second wave of the Spanish Flu was perfectly synchronized with Communist Revolutions across the entire planet in November 1918 – June 1919. The Covid Flu was perfectly synchronized with the “Great Reset”, “Climate Crisis” and of course the “Food Revolution” of 2020.

    Nothing to see here, move along. The Protocols are a just a historically perfectly synchronized forgery .

    • Replies: @Hillaire
  66. stozi says:
    @RedpilledAF

    okay… explain how bolshevism and zionism are the same thing. I’m critical of both, I just don’t buy into your particularly mythology

    • Replies: @G J T
    , @stozi
  67. Alfred says:

    he also became one of two de facto leaders of a secret, conspiratorial organization known as Aufbau (or, Reconstruction)

    Aufbau is another way of saying “build back better” 🙂

    I guess we are lucky not to have a repeat of WW1 before the rebuild.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  68. You can download Kellogg’s book. Click on the cover > get > save on your computer.

    http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=7AD09680C10253CC574DE0715B3BFEA1

  69. Conspiracy Theory of the Hour.

    Did they pull a ‘Pantengeli’ on Epstein?

    • Replies: @Hillaire
  70. @Jon Halpenny

    The Jewish roots of Nazism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln

    The article tiptoes around it but Trebitsch-Lincoln met the Great One at the airport after the Kapp putsch collapsed and saved him from getting arrested 😀

  71. @Wally

    If the first quote in this comment is accurate, then Kellogg’s book does not deserve the reviewer’s praise that K.s book is an accurate accounting that “corrects history.” There can be no compromise with the too prevalent idea that ‘because there is a lot we like, we should overlook the few falsehoods that are there’. This is why the “Holocaust” myth lives on.

    I would never recommend such a book.

  72. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks, Library Genesis is a great website, I must have saved almost £1,000 during my university years by getting PDFs of textbooks from there as opposed to buying physical copies of them. You can also access academic papers from LibGen. Thank God for the countries that host these websites, imagine actually paying for books!

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  73. @gotmituns

    I wish you’d be careful of your language. There is no such thing as Nazism — since Nazi is a creation of National Socialism’s enemies, and used only in a detracting and disparaging way, even today. That’s what ‘Nazism’ is associated with.
    Yes, I know it was sometimes used as a shortened form of NS but the party frowned on it and the word doesn’t represent the full reality of the National Socialist worldview and programs. Use Hitlerism instead. Hitlerism is valid because Hitler represents his movement. Nazism is not because it only represents enemy propaganda by Jews (first) and then the allied forces both big and small.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @soll
  74. G J T says:
    @stozi

    Bolshevism and Zionism are parallel movements in the quest for global Jewish supremacy, the latter of which owing a great deal of its success and staying power to the former. Both involved subjugation and genocide of a hated enemy population, and they are the two most devastating manifestations of the Jewish revolutionary spirit in modern history.

    How many Jewish revolutionaries from the Russian empire went on to play a critical role in establishing the state of Israel? One begat the other.

    Any differences between the Zionist regime and Bolshevik regime are purely superficial, as both are inherently Jewish in character and furthered the exact same aims.

    It would be more of a task to try and explain ways in which they are different.

    • Agree: anaccount
  75. @Greg Bacon

    But you can get NAZI from this term, Ashkenazi.

    There is no end to those who fall for this Ashkenazi term. Be advised that all research leads to the same conclusion – there is no relation between that and the use of ‘nazi’ for German National Socialists. It’s just a coincidence. See my comment #80.

    Na-zi is short for National Sozialist

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  76. @JxA

    ” Otherwise good luck building your own personal road, or training yourself to be your own fireman, policeman, and surgeon, on top of your regular job.”

    I bet Ayn Rand couldn’t boil water.

  77. @Schuetze

    Magnificent point; quite the chutzpah to accuse one book of “forgery” after spending 25 centuries defending “The Books of Moses”, the “Wisdom of Solomon” etc. etc.

    As always, they accuse YOU of what THEY are doing. Grasp that, and the last 3 millennia become crystal clear; fail to do so, and you are simply another High IQ idiot.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  78. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Jake

    This article reads like something commissioned by a coalition of Neocons as justification for permanent war against Russia. It could have been written in an AIPAC office. Idiots of various stripes fall for such reused rubbish almost every time.

    Paging Ron Unz.

    As a follow-up, Alfred Rosenberg disliked Russia. In turn, the White Russians hated him. See what’s said of Rosenberg in this below statement:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20050205051751/http://russian-americans.org/CRA_Art_Captive.htm

    Not all of the White Russians in Germany and elsewhere had embraced Nazism. Denikin and Ilyin were two of numerous such individuals.

  79. @The Soft Parade

    Hindenburg called the Great One “the Bohemian PFC” because he mistook Braunau (now Broumov) on the Polish border for Braunau am Inn (Upper Austria).

  80. Hillaire says:
    @Schuetze

    Indeed if they are a forgery then they are a prophetic forgery..

    also, they are often described as forgery, a forgery is merely a copy of an original, a fake also..

    the implication being that there is an original.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  81. Wyatt says:

    Kellogg demonstrates how the Nazis may have had excellent reasons for their anti-Semitism

    Everyone has those.

    • Replies: @Frank johnson
  82. Skeptikal says:
    @for-the-record

    Catherine the Great was a German princess. It was Catherine who picked up the baton of Peter the Great and transformed Russia into a great European power

    From Wiki:

    ” she strongly encouraged the migration of the Volga Germans, farmers from Germany who settled mostly in the Volga River Valley region. They indeed helped modernise the sector that totally dominated the Russian economy. They introduced numerous innovations regarding wheat production and flour milling, tobacco culture, sheep raising, and small-scale manufacturing.”[55]

    55. “The Economic Contributions of the German Russians to the Imperial Russian Economy.” Journal of the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia (2012) 35#2 pp. 1–34.

  83. Ugetit says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Actually, I prefer the Henry Ford response to the allegation: It does not matter if they are fake, it fits what is happening today.

    Well I’ll be…

    I bet ‘Ol Henry and I would be good friends; for one thing I have long responded that way and never knew he said it, so thanks! And another thing that I find interesting is that it’s happening here, today as well. Some things never change.

  84. Schuetze says:
    @Hillaire

    The real question here is “forgery of what”. I have read that both Jacob Schiff (Russian Revolution) and Henry Morgentau (Morgentau Plan) carried their own special “versions” of the Protocols. Clearly there are various translations from various sources, but from which language and which source was “the forgery” originally written?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2019/10/09/another-look-at-the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion/

    [MORE]

    “According to De Michelis the version that Nilius published in 1905 does not directly derive from the earliest known version published by Krusevan in 1903. This is evidence that there was an earlier version than Krusevan (1903).

    “The story goes that Sergei Nilius got the document in 1897 but Okhrana learned of it and Pyotr Rachkovsky forbade him from publishing the document. In 1902 an unknown woman, probably not from Okhrana, had offered a different version of Protocols to Menshikov in April 1902 and this version had been published by Krusevan in 1903, but the Nilius version was not yet published.”

    After Napoleon III had fallen, French governments included many Jews and Freemasons all the time until the world war. As Rachkovsky wanted the Franco-Russian alliance, he would not have ordered any of his men to write the Protocols, which states that minister Léon Bourgeois is a trusted agent of Judeo-Masonic Elders and implies that the document is from the time circa 1895, and he would not base the conspiracy to France. At the time London and New York were the banking centers of the world. Thus, Okhrana did not write the Protocols.

    The Protocols are most probably based on real documents of the Paris Mizraim lodge, L’Arc en Ciel, and these documents may have been obtained around 1884, agreeing with the story how Glinka got them. But the Protocols have been worked out of these papers and the book of Maurice Joly, and the Protocols were finished around 1895.”

    https://christianobserver.net/maurice-joly-plagiarized-protocols-of-zion-not-vice-versa/

    “Joly, a Jew whose real name was Joseph Levy, was a lifelong Mason and member of the “Lodge of Mizraim” where the Protocols document originated. He was the protege of Adolph Cremieux (Isaac Moise Cremieux 1796-1880) the head of the lodge, founder of the Alliance Israélite Universelle and a Minister in the Jewish-backed government of Leon Gambetta.

    The plot is described in the Protocols as “centuries-old.” It most likely predates “Dialogue.” Joly was well versed in the Protocols and borrowed from it to flesh out the unpopular authoritarian position of Machiavelli, which he ascribed to Napoleon III.

    Joly, who committed suicide in 1879, was in the habit of “borrowing.” He is accused of plagiarizing a popular novel by Eugene Sue, namely “Les Mystères du Paris.” (1845) Also his work is predated by another of Cremieux’s proteges, Jacob Venedy, entitled, “Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau.” (1850)

    In 1884 Mme. Justine Glinka, the daughter of a Russian General living in Paris, hired Joseph Schorst, a member of Joly’s Mizraim Lodge to obtain sensitive information. For the sum of 2500 francs, Schorst provided Glinka with “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” He was subsequently tracked down and murdered in Egypt.”

    https://pedoempire.org/chapter-27-the-rothschild-banking-dynasty-how-zionist-luciferian-overlords-came-to-rule-the-earth/

    “Were it not for Justine Glinka, daughter of a Russian general in 1884 living in France notifying General Orgevskii in St. Petersburg,[160] who sent 2,500 francs for Justine to buy a pilfered copy of the Protocols from her assistant Joseph Schoerst, a member of the Paris Jewish Mizraim Masonic Lodge, the world may never have even known about this historically revealing document.”

    https://boards.christogenea.org/forum/historical-studies/modern-history/3315-the-jewish-role-in-french-revolution

    “Out of them broke the ruthless and invariable orientation: exterminate all the kings and the race of the Bourbons, destroy the power of the Pope, preach freedom of peoples and found a universal republic (18). The Jews had inspired Masonic rites and secretly ran their obedience. The rite of Clermont, created in 1754, had been scattered in throughout Germany, by the outrageous Protestant pastor, the Jew of Portuguese origin Samuel Rosas. The three rites that divided the so-called Egyptian Freemasonry came from Jewish sources: the Coptic, from the Sicilian Jew Joseph Balsamo, who used the pseudonym of Count Cagliostro; the Misraïm, name of Egypt in the Bible, from the three Bedarride brothers, Jews of Avignon; the Memphis, from Samuel Honis, Jew from Cairo (19).”

    So the Misraim/Mizraim lodge was the original “source” of the Protocols, and that very same lodge was also played a significant role in the Jacobian destruction of Christian France in 1789. Yet from LAURENT GUYÉNOT we recently learnt that the Misraim cult was active back when the entire Christian Church got started with their Gospels and New Testament, or likely even hundreds or thousands of years earlier.

    • Replies: @Hillaire
  85. Hillaire says:
    @Zarathustra

    True, the National Socialists were riddled with jews and mischlings at all levels, an uncomfortable truth for some.. Somewhat like their close dealings with financial zionists are memory holed.
    Also, see jews in the Wehrmacht and enlisted men. There were many traitors….
    Unsurprisingly.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  86. @Ugetit

    Because jews make the fallacious claim that the Protocols were literal in their claim to being the actual minutes of a meeting of jews. They can’t perceive the council as a narrative device to describe very real things going on. The inability (or unwillingness) of jews to make this distinction leads to the Protocols being called a “forgery” and allowing its critics to throw out the entirety of the work

  87. ebear says:

    Who were these White Russians that failed to notice the Nazi attitude towards Slavs? Lebensraum as a concept predated the Nazis by at least 20 years. Where did they think all that “living room” was going to come from?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  88. FB says: • Website

    So Hitler’s Nazi ideology was pretty much molded by those pesky Russians?

    Brilliant. Another fantastic installment in the ‘Hitler dindu nuffin’ genre.

    I can guess we can now wave goodbye to the notion that the entire underpinnings of Nazi racialism were developed in the US, by the likes of Madison Grant [The Passing of the Great Race, 1916], Lothrop Stoddard [Untermensch, 1922], and ‘anthropologist’ Carleton Coon [the ‘Jewish nose’] et al.

    Hitler simply transplanted to Germany the racial ‘hygiene’ and eugenics theories that were already fully formed in the US long before.

  89. White émigrés

    I dunno why, but that sounds a lot like butthurt jews to me…

    Correct me when I’m wrong.

  90. Hillaire says:
    @Schuetze

    Exactly.. it is never explicitly stated that they are a fabrication, there are many theories and much static but no real refutation.

    My view is they ‘fit’ into a canon of literature the jews have passed between themselves offering instruction and elucidation of method in their struggle with amalek.

    The goal being subjugation of the cattle and world dominion, this is undeniable, yet academics and suchlike won’t go near it.

    Or rather those who have paid dearly.

  91. @FB

    So true .Eugenics was well establisheded before the National Socialists came on the scene In fact , the Germans used laws on sterilization that were on books in several states in America as a defense at Nurenberg.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  92. Hillaire says:
    @Priss Factor

    Curiously, though he was probably insane, epstein was heavily involved with the jewish transhumanist agenda, kurzweil etc {came up with an interesting synthesizer, kurzweil that is}

    epstein believed in atomic particles that would increase the size of his balls and wanted to father a master race…using teenage prostitutes.. in murica of all places.

    or something like that..

    I feel they may of kept his head alive.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  93. @Curmudgeon

    “None of that is going to be fixed until election campaigns are funded entirely out of the public purse.”

    I have been arguing that point for nearly 25 years, and the argument I most always get in return is, “It’ll cost too much. Not workable.”

    Penny wise, dollar foolish…….

    Nice comment. Happy New Year.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  94. Ugetit says:
    @JxA

    Taxes are not theft.

    Wrong. But don’t just take my word for it.

    “Taxation is theft, purely and simply even though it is theft on a grand and colossal scale which no acknowledged criminals could hope to match. It is a compulsory seizure of the property of the State’s inhabitants, or subjects.”

    ― Murray N. Rothbard, The Ethics of Liberty, p162. (2005)

    “To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical…

    -Thomas Jefferson, “Bill for the Establishment of Religious Freedom,” chapter lxxxii (82),Section I.
    https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/jefferson-the-works-vol-2-1771-1779#lf0054-02_head_051

    The same could be reasonably said for many other actions of government besides the propagation of opinions.

    Taxes are the subscription fees you pay to live in civilization.

    You can make all the specious “justifications” for taxes that you want, but they’re still theft. And what are you calling civilization?

  95. @Alfred

    World war is now simply too risky for the elites, what with nukes and all that.

    Let’s just lockdown the world and drive a large portion of the populace into grinding poverty over a virus that is no more deadly than seasonal flu. Let’s then further use it for a “Great Reset” that will likewise leave vast swathes of humanity without means of support. Let’s also start a ‘green revolution’ that will be unsustainable and cause social upheaval and societal collapse as we force these changes on everyone, despite the fact that green technologies cannot sustain industry nor can carbon-neutral farming feed the world.

    Same result, and no radiation. While the stock market booms, as Wall Street is utterly disconnected from Main Street. What’s not to like (if you’re an ‘elite’)?

    Well, I guess it’s better than war.

    (But then again there’s pesky old China to deal with……. )

    Happy New Year, Alfred.

  96. @Pop Warner

    It does occur to me that the Czar’s police and intelligence services may have had quite a few plants in Jewish organisations, most likely Jewish of mischlings who could easily affect to be genuine Jews.

  97. @Dingo bay rum

    Until the Nazis ruined it Eugenics was what every intelligent family attempted to practice automatically, originally by proxies for IQ etc like being able to make a living and support a family (Cf. Jane Austen’s characters). The Jews were about as good at it as anyone, quite consciously. See Rabbi Max Reichler’s “Jewish Eugenics”2015).

    • Replies: @fnn
  98. @Johnny Johnny

    RANT…gov’t bureaucrat vs the owner of the auto body shop

    Correct on all points, as no one forces you to buy from either. Now, get over your trifle and choose which sovereign and which body shop, among all of them out there, which you may choose to choose.

    Or is this another sovereign citizen who simply got ripped off. Woke up, and it was gone.
    Why not view it as the price of orginal sin; you weren’t born perfect (and to mirror el Curmudgeon), you get the government that you deserve, as either paid for with tyrants’ blood, or as paid for by the tyrants, with your own.

    Oh. And I forgot to mention those embalming bastards. Before you head out, get it in writing they will not try to shake hands with your family or tell them, “Hello, it’s an honor to meet you; I’m sorry it had to be under such unfortunate circumstances.”

  99. Incitatus says:
    @JxA

    “Taxes are not theft. Taxes are the subscription fees you pay to live in civilization.”

    Agree. Virginia and Massachusetts (states with high parental rights for the USA) were, with reason, styled ‘Commonwealths’ after 1775. Benefits are not free of obligation.

    Prior to “Government is the Problem” Reagan (whose supporters bought him a ranch), paying a high tax rate was a mark of achievement – one was successful, a benefactor of the commonwealth.

    [MORE]

    Tax avoidance is now the vogue (with giant loopholes for real estate, hedge funds, favorite business political donors, etc.). All crave something for nothing. Parasites. As unsustainable as the Ancien Régime. If all pursue this, the nation is dead.

    Example: Kushner Company raised $850 million in Federally backed (Freddie May) backed Interest Only loans to purchase 6000-7000 Maryland and Virginia properties in pandemic times. ‘Senior Advisor’ Jared (member of the Trump inept pandemic task force that let COVID ravage the country) has never severed ties with the family firm. Does he now profit from undue privilege/COVID incompetence/intentional inaction?

    Case two, Jared’s not distanced himself from his brother’s firm (in which he retains active interest) in raising $90 million in opaque offshore funds while servicing Israel with miraculous relations with Bahrain and the UAE (reputed to involve transfers of advanced US weaponry). Does he again profit from undue privilege?

    Case three: Kushner Company is raising $100 million in bonds in Israel (Jerusalem Post 30 Dec 2020). See Case two and ‘undue privilege’.

    Trump promised to ‘drain the swamp’, but it seems nepotism and easy access to government (taxpayer-funded) credit has created a new, deeper swamp.

    And how much tax does Jared Kushner pay? Read for yourself:

    ‘Jared Kushner Paid No Federal Income Tax for Years, Documents Suggest’
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/business/jared-kushner-taxes.html

    We’ve fallen to nadir when a president who styled himself ‘king of debt’; who’s incompetent multiple business bankruptcies ruined those who faithfully worked for him; who makes no excuse for a secret Chinese bank account nor paying $188,561 tax to China 2013-2015 (according to Forbes) while proudly owns doing all in his power to avoid support of the government he leads (paying no tax in ten of fifteen years, $750 in 2016 and 2017.

    Deadbeat Don, the Parasite POTUS. Whose golf outings – 298 days, average 1.5 days per week (most to his own money-losing resorts) have cost taxpayers $144,000,000.
    https://www.trumpgolfcount.com

    “Corporatism is just feudalism, a massive step down from modern government models.”

    Agree. Many (GE, Amazon, etc.), the biggest users of communal resources, pay no tax at all. Benefits accrue the seigneurs, the comtes, the ducs of our age. All with their hands out for pissant taxpayer funds for their ingenious self-enriching ventures. Justified as enriching constituencies as gentle rain from heaven (i.e. CEOs).

  100. Mikhail says: • Website
    @ebear

    Who were these White Russians that failed to notice the Nazi attitude towards Slavs? Lebensraum as a concept predated the Nazis by at least 20 years. Where did they think all that “living room” was going to come from?

    Many and most of them appear to have done just that. Lumping some with all has at times led to some misconceived historical notions of reality.

    Reminded of this book which came out in the 1970s:

    BTW, some might recall the periodic White Russian character in the 1960s WW II sitcom Hogan’s Heroes

  101. Mikhail says:
    @FB

    So Hitler’s Nazi ideology was pretty much molded by those pesky Russians?

    Brilliant. Another fantastic installment in the ‘Hitler dindu nuffin’ genre.

    I can guess we can now wave goodbye to the notion that the entire underpinnings of Nazi racialism were developed in the US, by the likes of Madison Grant [The Passing of the Great Race, 1916], Lothrop Stoddard [Untermensch, 1922], and ‘anthropologist’ Carleton Coon [the ‘Jewish nose’] et al.

    Hitler simply transplanted to Germany the racial ‘hygiene’ and eugenics theories that were already fully formed in the US long before.

    With the Russians getting the blame. Reminded of the Diehard movie with Samuel Jackson and Bruce Willis. The US version depicts bad guy Germans. In Germany, they’re portrayed as Russians.

  102. @James O'Meara

    Moses and Solomon = Isaac’s seed.

    The so-called “Jews” = Ashkenazi turk, at best.

    This is how every time that myth-buster O’Meara opens his mouth on the bible, “Jews” coming running out of his ass. The “Jews” defend those books for purposes of proving that they are the people who they are not. Hence, how would anyone in O’Meara’s position not want to blame their cluelessness on their jew-induced diarrhea, rather than having to admit that, as a myth-buster, they are now owned by their own myths. Ohhhh, those dirty jews!

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  103. Incitatus says:

    “The result was an explosive burst of national and anti-Jewish sentiment which culminated in 1933 when Adolf Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany.”

    Sorry.

    Hitler wasn’t “elected Chancellor”. He was appointed 30 Jan 1933 by corrupt 86-year-old Hindenburg (guarantee of his controversial tax-exempt family Neudeck estate transfer to son Otto?) in a cynical compromise between authoritarian monarchists who thought they could control Hitler.

    ‘Russian Roots of Naziasm’?

    Interesting Stalin forbid the KPD from attacking the NSDAP, preferring they combat the SPD (rivals in engaging the working man). Sad that’s nowhere in this piece.

    As for high-priest Rosenberg, having fled Berlin for Flensburg, relieved of his ministry 6 May 1945 by Dönitz, what need one say? Listen to Albert Speer:

    “He [Rosenberg] was found almost lifeless. He spoke of having poisoned himself, and a suicide attempt was suspected, but it turned out that he was merely drunk.”
    -Albert Speer ‘Inside the Third Reich’ p.496; Devil’s Diary p.388

    Aryan genes at work?

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  104. @stozi

    they didn’t have any other options, they were banned from academia and various professions

    That is a myth. Jews in Tsarist Russia were often privileged recipients of government employment n assistance. They were strongly encouraged to settle outside the Pale, at times wherever they wished, but they routinely refused preferring to remain within the Pale under the thumb of their tyrannical jealous ignorant rabbis. The notion that Jews were always restricted to the Pale is part of the Jewish PR campaign that seeks to always present themselves as victims n involuntary refugees instead of self-isolating bigots whose overpopulation in Russia n refusal to serve in the army or to farm led them to migrate to urban centers in the West where they would not be expected to assimilate or farm n where they could more easily evade military service in host countries. The Pale was honored more in the breach than in the observance. Solzhetisyn traces these facts in detail in Two Hundred Years Together, which is still banned by Jewish owned New York publishers in the US who push the perpetual victim agenda.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, G J T
    • Replies: @stozi
  105. fnn says:
    @FB

    NSDAP was also the world’s first Green Party. It’s easy to find books and articles on the “Greenness” of the Nazis so I won’t provide links. Madison Grant of course was also a pioneer environmentalist, but he didn’t have his own party. Some free market extremists/libertarians used to make claims about the nazi roots of environmentalism.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  106. @The Soft Parade

    Solomon’s mother was Bathsheba who was Palestinian. So Solomon could not be a Jew according to Jewish laws.

    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  107. @Incitatus

    Sorry you are wrong. German Law was that after every election, Members of the parliament voted for Chancellor. NSDAP elected the most representatives and so they did vote for Hitler.
    But The Chancellor had to be confirmed by head of state Hindenburg. (Mainly formality.)
    (Hitler was not running in general election. People were not voting for him. )

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  108. Petermx says:
    @FB

    I suspect the whole idea of “Nazi racialism” is a gross exaggeration with the help of Hollywood studios and maybe some creative Jewish authors. The narrative today is different than 40 years ago. Now, according to the narrative, all Europeans were racist (and all whites still are today). Prior to 1945 Europe and Europeans dominated the world for centuries. They were so powerful, they killed each other off because all the top nations were European and the hatred they felt for each other unfortunately far exceeded any “racism” they felt for others. The problem the world (which was basically Europe) had for so long was the hatred Europeans had for each other, not any hatred for non-whites which most Europeans never even met during their lives, so they had no reasons to hate them. Europe ran the world for so long so they did feel like great cultures, which they were, and hopefully will be again.

  109. @Bardon Kaldian

    I’ll agree that the vast majority of Jews I’ve met are just normal people and it’s absurd to consider them to be part of the Talmudist agenda of elitist Judaeo-supremacists. And certainly there’s a segment of Jews who hate Western and Christian civilization. But that doesn’t prove there’s no grand plan. Say whatever else you want about the Ashkenazi, they’re not stupid.

  110. @JxA

    Sorry, the first guy was right. Taxation IS theft. Corporatism sucks as well. Corporations aren’t people and should be completely abolished.

  111. Wally says:
    @JxA

    said:
    “I’d rather give my money to a government and get something back than give it to corporations who have no obligation to serve me in any way.”

    – If so then taxes would be voluntary.

  112. @Bardon Kaldian

    Winston Churchill expressed it best…Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People–Winston Churchill
    https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/zionism-versus-bolshevism-a-struggle-for-the-soul-of-the-jewish-people-winston-churchill-2/

  113. Jimmy1969 says:

    A silly little summary ridden with contradictions and grade nine reasoning. Spenser J Quinn. Could you imagine any normal University Department or News outlet hiring a guy like him who chases his tail all day like some rapid dog. His novel about White people…did it sell even one copy.

    • Troll: fnn
  114. @Fidelios Automata

    For historical upheavals (Renaissance, the Age of Exploration, Reformation, Enlightenment, Industrial revolution, WW1 & WW2, decolonization, the counter-cultural 60’s, rise of Islamism, fall of global Communism,…)- there had been no grand plans, never.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  115. @Bardon Kaldian

    The opposite. There are always plans. The plans are general and overarching, not particular usually.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  116. @Fidelios Automata

    True that most are not part of the bigger organized evil, however, they are evil all the same. Anyone who has interacted with them for more time than just in passing can attest to their repulsive nature. Every single one is an atheist, pro-abortion (they think unborn children are “parasites”), feminists or supporters of the women’s rights movement, etc., etc., etc…

    They are Talmudic even if they have never read the Talmud. All Jews, especially ashkenazi, are never to be trusted.

  117. stozi says:
    @stozi

    More like Nazism and Zionism are the same, just with a different master race. More like the US keeps the Zionist project afloat. List the ‘soviet jewish revolutionaries’ who went on to found Israel. How does jewish-Russian Ayn Rand fit in? The nazis were sure the multinational makeup of the USSR would shatter as soon as they invaded. they were wrong. This ‘friendship of nations’ ideology is used to prop up Transnistria to this day in contrast to monoethnic Romano-Moldovan nationalism. Which side of that equation does zionism fall on? And explain this, Here are the most prominent Jewish old Bolsheviks: Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Sverdlov, Yagoda. All dead by 1938 (great terror). Less prominent ones also killed in the great terror: Yakovleva, Rosengolts, Radek, Krestinsky and Kun (both only maybe jewish), Litvinov – killed by Stalin in 1951. Yezhov – from Lithuania, supposedly not Jewish, anyway dead by 1940. Dzherzhinsky was Polish. Stalin Georgian. Beria Georgian. Mikoyan Armenian. Molotov- bog-standard Russian whose jewish wife was imprisoned by Stalin.

    How does the Germans sending Lenin back to Russia in a sealed train to get Russia out of the war fit in with any of this? Or the Doctor’s plot?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  118. stozi says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Strawman, I didn’t say they were always restricted to the pale. Sure, especially in Ukraine, they were employed as tax collectors in certain periods, earning widespread hate. Doesn’t contract what I said.

  119. One cannot ignore the ways that different countries around the world attempted to survive and recreate themselves in the aftermath of The Great Depression. In America, those that were most reponsible for The Great Depression, and who also reaped most of the rewards during The Roaring Twenties, should have been imprisoned and were exalted as national heroes in the eyes of some for their Superman Complexes in providing false solutions designed to fail as a response to the problems that they largely created, among the Rockefellers, Morgans, Carnegies, and Mellons. 

    Now the individuals largely responsible are the Silicon Valley Titans in concert with banks run by morally depraved and mentally incompetent people, and the government filled with morally depraved and mentally incompetent people as well. 

    The Nazis made many mistakes, and to single out an entire minority race, in addition to be willing to look the other way when many of  the guilty parties were Christian Germans is irrational. 

    The corruption was the problem during The Roaring Twenties and The Great Depression, just as corruption is currently the problem. 

    The corrupt Machine demands authoritarianism so that it is not held accountable for crimes against humanity and fraud. 

    [MORE]

    I am glad that I am not the only one so outraged that profanity is required to express it, not that I am incapable of expressing outrage or criticism without resorting to profanity, but because those guilty parties in the media that are propagandists and pseudo-intellectuals, the majority of whom have PhDs. and claim to be experts, attempting to intimidate people into silence through an elitist meritocracy devoid of all intellect, reason, and truth, including and especially in universities where they hope and prey ( not a typo) that people will succumb to expert bias, because it is their only hope. The profanity is intended to humiliate them for their crimes against humanity. They are not entitled to be treated with respect. They have earned contempt.

    The Alembic Files Ominous Parallels episode 13: 


    It is not in my best intertests to save psychopaths that have destroyed my life, country, and world, even if they happen to be from the same race, country, and religion that I am.

    Obviously, it is a one way street with them! Of course not everyone from my country, race, and religion are guilty, but they sure as hell did not give one flying fuck that I happen to be a white American Christian while they were destroying my and my families lives, so they can expect the same from me! Blacks and Jews have also been involved in this sick targeting as well. So have Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. They are all just cold, lifeless, brainless, heartless, souless, spineless, gutless cogs in the wheel of the meat grinding serial killing machine. Ot is a blood sport for them. It is senseless and sadistic violence, so sick that I was revived from the dead strictly for the sake of being tortured and prevented from living my life. It just does not get anymore evil than that. It is torture strictly for the sport of it. Truly sick as hell!  

    Andrea Iravani

  120. @Hillaire

    “… riddled with jews and mischlings at all levels, an uncomfortable truth for some.. Somewhat like their close dealings with financial zionists are memory holed….jws in the Wehrmacht and enlisted men. There were many traitors….Unsurprisingly.”

    The Third Reich sounds a lot like the Trump administration. Perhaps he really was the Orange Hitler?

  121. @Pop Warner

    “They can’t perceive the council as a narrative device to describe very real things going on”

    Unlikely. If Jews understand anything, it’s narrative devices. They are the greatest storytellers of all time. Look at they’ve had the goyim larping for centuries trying to imitate Jewish “history”. If anything, claiming it as a forgery is a deliberate misdirection — something else they’re good at.

  122. @Hillaire

    “I feel they may of kept his head alive.”

    As for his balls… a typical Jew. Transhumanists theoretically should be interested in consciousness, not gross animal copulation. As Laurent Guyénot has pointed out here, the Jewish “religion” is uniquely materialistic, lacking any concept of spirituality, immortality, etc. He quotes one Jewish writer on how “wisely we Jews have never seen any kind of romance or spirituality in sex and marriage, only reproduction” (paraphrased; see his article here on “The Death of the Goddess”).

    For someone like Epstein, marriage, romance, the Goddess, Mother Mary, preserving the race, evolving to a higher level etc. is just so much chin music; it’s “really” all about banging chicks. (See, Freud, Woody Allen, etc.).

    Their obsession with mating, Master Races, “zoological racism” etc. marks the Nazis as fatally Judaic, just like the larping Mormons and Evangelicals.

  123. @Mustapha Mond

    “I have been arguing that point for nearly 25 years, and the argument I most always get in return is, “It’ll cost too much. Not workable.””

    Like national health insurance, or $1200 covid relief checks. Thank God the Republicans are there to make sure the Democrats don’t waste our money, so that we will have trillions for those necessary Israeli wars and Wall St. bailouts.

  124. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Carolyn Yeager

    > “Na-zi is short for National Sozialist”

    Are you sure? I’ve heard that it comes from a term for a Bavarian hillbilly, Ignatius. Quite plausible, as the traditional Catholics were less culturally evolved than the atheist neo-Christians of the time such as liberals.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  125. @Adûnâi

    Nah.

    The wordplay on “Ignatius” (“Inter-Nazi” for “communist”) was already used by Wilhelm Busch (“Pater Filucius”) but is strictly for native speakah.
    OTOH socialists had been called “Sozi” since times immemorial – slightly derogatory but handy.

  126. @stozi

    – A certain closeness between National Socialism and Zionism is undeniable; I guess that Eichmann was the SS liaison to Feivel Polkes of the Haganah is common knowledge.
    (in wartime principles are a losing proposition)
    It is also true Stalin could not abide the Hechaluz (for reasons unclear).

    – I notice quite an amount of goy-washing going on …
    Dsershinsky, Berija, Kùn? Who´s next, Ràkosi?!
    A watered herring is still a herring (and Stalin was, if not Jew, Ossetian).

    – The Lenin plan? Israil Lasarevich Gelfand (aka Dr. Alexander Helphand aka “Parvus”) had made a fortune as economic adviser of the (((Turks))) then got filthy rich peddling contraband in the triangle Hamburg-Stockholm-St. Petersburg, laundering the money over (((PrivatBank SA))), as a hobby financed the St. Petersburg Bolshevik cell, and he made the Germans (((Erzberger))) an offer they couldn´t refuse: Take Russia out of the war – for a modest fee (More exactly an insane amount, in hard currency, but the times were rough).
    Lenin in Switzerland, as was de rigueur for Jewish revolutzers since Marx, had no dicernible income but insisted on living large, and the rest is history (it should be noted that Helphand had hoped for a cabinet post, and he was worthier than a lot of others – I mean he was really brilliant – but considered too embarrassing).

    – The Doctors´Plot? Fairly standard dictators´coke paranoia AFAIK.

  127. Ron Unz says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    There is no such thing as Nazism — since Nazi is a creation of National Socialism’s enemies, and used only in a detracting and disparaging way, even today.

    I’ve frequently seen that claim made on the Internet, including by you, but I’m really pretty skeptical…

    As I’ve pointed out in the past, after the establishment of the Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s, Goebbel’s Der Angriff, the flagship media organ of the Nazi Party, published a massive 12-part series bearing the descriptive title “A Nazi Goes to Palestine.” They also struck a famous commemorative medal bearing that same slogan. If the most prestigious Nazi publication freely used the word “Nazi” I doubt it was considered too disparaging.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    Moreover, when Lothrop Stoddard was sent by an American news syndicate to visit Germany in 1940, he met with top German leaders, including a private audience with Hitler. And after he returned to the US, he published his very even-handed book on what he had seen, in which he freely used the term “Nazi” more than 200 times, and with the original subtitle being “Nazi Germany Today.” Stoddard seems to have been a very fastidious fellow who spoke fluent German, and surely if “Nazi” had been a contemptuous term he surely should have been aware of it:

    https://www.unz.com/book/lothrop_stoddard__into-the-darkness/

    My strong impression is that “Nazi” was widely used as a casual term for “National Socialist”, much like “Yank” was a casual term for “American.” Can you provide any solid evidence that it was considered disparaging?

    • Agree: utu, RedpilledAF
  128. @gotmituns

    The most welcomed people in history. The most wanted to be in your country people in history. Those are the true facts. That Jews were also often kicked out is a mere consequence of that. Other groups would never have been welcomed in the first place, or kicked out instantaneously.

  129. soll says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Carolyn Yeager says “Hitlerism is valid because Hitler represents his movement.”

    Did Hitler represent the German people when in 1934 having been fired 400,000 marks on his then annual income of 1.2. million marks forcefully made himself tax-exempt through 1934-45 while he continued lying to the German people that he was a poor man? In his Nov 10th, 1934 speech at the Siemens Factory when he made such a claim his then income was 40 times that of the German workers he was speaking too.

    In the same year 1934, Hitler blocked the Reich budget reports from the German people so that they could not follow the fiscal policies of the German economy (he did this to hide his armament spending) all while driving their economy into the ground.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/17/hitler.tax/
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1844922

    • Troll: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Bookish1
  130. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Der Nazi-Sozi: 1926 Goebbels publication

    Ten Commandments for Each National Socialist

    1. Your fatherland is Germany. Love it more than anything else, and more in deed than in word.

    2. Germany’s enemies are your enemies; hate them with your whole heart.

    3. Each people’s comrade, even the poorest, is a part of Germany; love him as you love yourself.

    4. Ask for yourself only duties. Then Germany will regain its rights.

    5. Be proud of Germany; You may take pride in a fatherland for which millions gave their lives.

    6. He who insults Germany insults you and your dead. Punch him.

    7. Don’t cause mischief, but where someone denies you your rights, God gives you the right to use your fists.

    8. Do not be a crackpot anti-Semite, but keep away from the Berliner Tageblatt.

    9. Live your life such that you will not need to be ashamed in a New Germany.

    10. Believe in the future, for that is the only way you will gain it.

    https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/nazi-sozi.htm

  131. BuelahMan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    jews don’t lie at 50%. They lie whenever possible and as often as their mouths are open (or fingers typing).

    So, what does one do? Give me a list created by jews to bolster the jewish claims (aka “lies”).

    When I see a list of “Nobel Prize” winners being jewish, should I be impressed that a jewish run organization makes a way to highlight their jewish picks like Obama?

    Please.

    They supposedly gave one to Kary Mullis, who is now seemingly a liar (in the jews’ eyes), when they promote that stinking jew Fauci.

  132. fnn says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Somehow the NS regime didn’t turn the Anglo-Judaics away in disgust from ballistic and cruise missiles, Volkswagens, environmentalism, anti-vivisectionism and anti-smoking campaigns (But maybe Adolf was posthumously responsible for the 30-year-delay in implementing the last one in the postwar American Empire).

  133. Kirt says:

    This book and the discussion about it brings to mind the fable about the time traveler from 1913 who jumps ahead about 25 years and returns to report what he has found. Terrible news – one of the most powerful European countries has fallen to socialist revolutionaries who have wiped out millions of people and are trying to spread their ideology throughout the world, even as they build up powerful armed forces. Another powerful European country is in the hands of a party of Jew-haters who are stamping out all opposition, building powerful armed forces and threatening to eliminate all the Jews of Europe. The time traveler then invites his audience to identify the countries he’s talking about and which has been subject to which sort of revolution.

    Undoubtedly Jewish friendly and already semi-socialist Germany would have got the votes for most likely to fall to Communism while pogromist Russia with its cossacks and Black Hundreds would have got the votes for the anti-Semitic takeover. That the opposite took place simply shows that ideas can be contagious in weird ways and you generally learn a lot and often too much from your enemies. After centuries of fighting the Persians, most Roman soldiers had adopted their own version of Persian Mithraism, which in turn had been influenced by Christianity.

  134. @Ron Unz

    Yes, what you say is true and I have made the same case over the years myself. Please see what I wrote in 2012 in my podcast description [“To say Nazi or not to say Nazi – that is the question”] : https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-say-nazi-or-not-say-nazi-question
    The use of the term is nuanced and cannot be made into a cut-and-dried rule or an ‘always’ or ‘never.’
    I’ve researched and written about the two examples you give here, and more. I admit to giving a simplified version of the reason not to use ‘Nazi’ to ‘gottmituns’ simply because I only wanted to write a short comment and that is something he and others here understand (I think). But it’s not the full truth of the matter at all, as you rightly state.

    The nuance is in the German culture, which of course anti-Hitler assholes don’t take into account in their ignorant hate talk. Germans famously make use of shortened versions of words and names to perhaps a greater degree than other national peoples. For an example, Adolf could be called Adi by those intimate enough with him (especially family), but if that person introduced him or addressed him in a fairly formal setting, calling him “Adi” would be highly inappropriate. I believe the word ‘Nazi’ is the same. National Socialists was naturally shortened for ease and convenience by those members and friends of the NSDAP, but enemies of the party also used it with an unfriendly intention. Who used it first is unknown. Because of the reach of their media, the enemies of National Socialists have won the propaganda war. It’s fine to say we should not be prevented from using it by them, but their far greater influence has, in fact, ruined the name. Even at that time, the NSDAP only officially or publicaly used the full word National Socialism’. Do you know of an instance when Hitler said “Nazi?’ I do, in fact, but he was telling a funny story in private that began: “There was a Nazi in …” [This is in Table Talk.]

    The newspaper series in Der Angriff was the brainchild of Leopold von Mildenstein, an SS officer who was known in the party as a supporter of some of the aims of Zionism during the 1930s., (Wikipedia)
    The SS had an interest in removing Jews from Germany. After a trip to Palestine, Mildenstein was impressed and wrote the series of articles that were published in Der Angriff as a circulation builder, nothing more. The commemorative medallion gimmick was the same.
    It should be noted that use of the word ‘Nazi’ in these articles didn’t go anywhere from there, did it.

    Lothrop Stoddard, for all his virtues, was still an American and didn’t want to be called a traitor. In America, the term Nazi was already de riguer. But probably more important, that word draws attention far more strongly than the mouthful National Socialist. ‘Nazi’ means clicks and reads, while ‘National Socialist’ not so much. Everybody likes the word Nazi, including me. It’s hard to give it up, but it should be, at least for now. One big advantage would be more of a distinction between them and us. WE don’t use the word Nazi.

  135. JackOH says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m not sure what Carolyn’s getting at, but it doesn’t take much energy to recognize that “Nazi”, like “Fascist”, had strong and straightforward denotative meanings up until 1945. A member of the Party, a non-member who strongly supported the Party, and so on. After 1945, mostly connotative meanings, such as “someone I disagree with violently but whose arguments I can’t refute”, and the like.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Bookish1
  136. @Ron Unz

    Oops, I left off the last part of my answer:

    Can you provide any solid evidence that it was considered disparaging?

    There is overwhelming evidence that all Germans were aware that “Nazi” was being used disparagingly in the foreign press. By that, they knew it to be disparaging. “Nazi” in particular has become a more universally irredeemable term over the years, as they very well intended, so its overuse only reinforces the negative image, I am truly sorry to have to conclude.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Ron Unz
  137. @Carolyn Yeager

    By that, they knew it to be disparaging.

    Ran out of time. Should read: In addition to the foreign press, the numerous left and far-left enemies of Hitler’s regime inside Germany also used it that way. It just sort of lends itself.

  138. Ron Unz says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    There is overwhelming evidence that all Germans were aware that “Nazi” was being used disparagingly in the foreign press. By that, they knew it to be disparaging. “Nazi” in particular has become a more universally irredeemable term over the years…

    Sure, but that has nothing to do with the issue. For similar reasons, the term “Hitler” has become overwhelmingly disparaging, so that calling someone “another Hitler” is an insult, sometimes an extreme one. But that doesn’t mean “Hitler” was a disparaging term in Nazi Germany.

    All sorts of words may acquire disparaging meanings, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they originally began that way. Just consider the evolution of the terms “Colored” => “Negro” => “Black” => “African-American” => “Black.”

  139. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    All sorts of words may acquire disparaging meanings, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they originally began that way. Just consider the evolution of the terms “Colored” => “Negro” => “Black” => “African-American” => “Black.”

    Heh, it makes me think, that like a company with a particularly dodgy business record, ¡Blacks! feel the need to change their group-label every few decades or so, as the previous appellation gets tarnished by their own behaviour, and the old official term gets relegated to a racist slur.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  140. utu says:
    @JackOH

    Soviet propaganda did not adopt the term Nazi. They used fascist, German fascists or Hitlerites.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Svidomyatheart
  141. JackOH says:
    @utu

    Yeah, that sounds right from my memory of WWII buff reading. For added complication, East Germany’s leadership dubbed the Berlin Wall an “anti-fascist barrier” a generation after Mussolini, Hitler, and their movements had crashed.

  142. @utu

    Reason was because Nazi means National Socialism and since it is actually socialism, and the USSR was all about socialism they didnt want to have people to start questioning and thinking wrong thoughts like

    “hey wait but arent they socialists too so why are against them”

  143. Rashid says:

    So the AshkeNAZI jews originated in Russia? I don’t think so. And the fake news cover up of the AshkeNAZI contraction into just plain nazi’s originated in the American press. Of course, it could have been a Russian jew, working in the American communist press at the time.

  144. @Ron Unz

    Nothing to do with the issue? What is the issue?

    You gave me two examples that you claim to be strong evidence that ‘Nazi’ was “widely used as a casual term for National Socialist” in Third Reich Germany.

    But your examples do not show that, therefore I’m turning around on you your objections to what I replied to you. I think what I said about the Angriff series was sufficient (and there’s this from 2011: https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-disinformation-internet-part-one), but now I’ve actually looked into Lothrop Stoddard’s book and will report what I’ve found. You wrote,

    when Lothrop Stoddard was sent by an American news syndicate to visit Germany in 1940, he met with top German leaders, including a private audience with Hitler. And after he returned to the US, he published his very even-handed book on what he had seen, in which he freely used the term “Nazi” more than 200 times, plus the original subtitle was “Nazi Germany Today.” Stoddard seems to have been a very fastidious fellow who spoke fluent German, and surely if “Nazi” had been a contemptuous term he surely should have been aware of it.

    In comment #149 you then wrote that my reply to that “has nothing to do with the issue .” But as I look into Stoddard’s book again, you seem not to be as familiar with it as you purport. I’ll number my objections and findings for easier identification.
    1) “even-handed book” – no, it’s not all that even-handed. He clearly doesn’t think well of the NSDAP or their leadership. He’s cynical in his judgements about them.
    2) “he freely used the term Nazi”, you said. It doesn’t come across that way at all, and more importantly it was he who used it, not the Germans he was talking to. In Chapt. 5, “The Party,” 19 pages (p 245 to 263), where you’d think you’d be most likely to find it, the word ‘Nazi’ appears 8 times and Nazidom one time, with ‘National Socialist” probably just as many times. In no case, either, was it by an NS person or directed to an NS person, but only by Stoddard himself directly to the reader. So it’s only Stoddard using the word! Interviews with Dr. Robert Ley and Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler were quoted, plus several statements by Fuehrer Adolf Hitler, with not one use of the word ‘Nazi’ or anything related to it.
    How does this indicate “widespread use in Germany.” It doesn’t!
    By judging a book by word count of certain words, as you do, you can surely miss the importance of said words.
    3) The original subtitle you say was “Nazi Germany Today,” changed to “An uncensored report from inside the Third Reich at war.” Why was it changed? Does it have anything to do with the issue?

    Bottom line: you’ve given no evidence for widespread use of the word Nazi, yet you want me to prove that it wasn’t used. It’s too complex an issue for you. You still need to supply some evidence from those who were there, not just theorizing on your part.

    I’ll add that the use of “Hitler” and “Nazi” are not in any way similar situations. If they were, why didn’t the top NSs refrain from using the word “Hitler” as they did from using “Nazi?” I say again: Hitler means something; Nazi doesn’t. That’s why Hitlerism should be substituted for Nazism.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  145. Bookish1 says:
    @JackOH

    To use the term Nazi in modern lingo is to denote that someone is a part of an organization with National Socialist beliefs. So a person can be a backer of Hitlers ideas and not be a Nazi.

  146. Bookish1 says:
    @soll

    I say that is bullshit about Hitler deceiving his own people. Hitler was as straight as an arrow with the German people.

  147. @Ron Unz

    From Wikipedia article for Nazism:

    The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National-Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they officially used the acronym NSDAP. The term “Nazi” was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant, characterizing an awkward and clumsy person. In this sense, the word Nazi was a hypocorism of the German male name Igna(t)z (itself a variation of the name Ignatius)—Igna(t)z being a common name at the time in Bavaria, the area from which the NSDAP emerged.

    In the 1920s, political opponents of the NSDAP in the German labour movement seized on this. Using the earlier abbreviated term “Sozi” for Sozialist (English: Socialist) as an example, they shortened NSDAP’s name, Nationalsozialistische, to the dismissive “Nazi”, in order to associate them with the derogatory use of the term mentioned above. The first use of the term “Nazi” by the National Socialists occurred in 1926 in a publication by Joseph Goebbels called Der Nazi-Sozi [“The Nazi-Sozi”]. In Goebbels’ pamphlet, the word “Nazi” only appears when linked with the word “Sozi” as an abbreviation of “National Socialism”.

    After the NSDAP’s rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term “Nazi” by itself or in terms such as “Nazi Germany”, “Nazi regime” and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. From them, the term spread into other languages and it was eventually brought back into Germany after World War II. The NSDAP briefly adopted the designation “Nazi” in an attempt to reappropriate the term, but it soon gave up this effort and generally avoided using the term while it was in power. In each case, the authors refer to themselves as “National Socialists” and their movement as “National Socialism” but never as “Nazis.” A compendium of conversations of Hitler from 1941 through 1944 entitled Hitler’s Table Talk does not contain the word “Nazi” either. In speeches by Hermann Göring, he never uses the term “Nazi.” Hitler Youth leader Melita Maschmann wrote a book about her experience entitled Account Rendered. She did not refer to herself as a “Nazi”, even though she was writing well after World War II. In 1933, 581 members of the National Socialist Party answered interview questions put to them by Professor Theodore Abel from Columbia University. They similarly did not refer to themselves as “Nazis.”

    The Goebbels article can be found here.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  148. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @for-the-record

    Can’t Agree because I haven’t commented enough in the past … X days/weeks/months.
    But I Agree.

  149. Ron Unz says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    From Wikipedia article for Nazism:

    Sure, at first glance that explanation seems perfectly plausible. But I tend to be very cautious about trusting Wikipedia on “controversial” topics, and anything involving Nazi Germany are extreme in that regard.

    Consider that I pointed out how in 1934 Goebbel’s Der Angriff, the flagship media organ of the Nazi Party, published a massive 12-part series bearing the descriptive title “A Nazi Goes to Palestine.” I’d think if the top Nazi newspaper ran a 12-part series in 1934 with “Nazi” in the title, then the Wikipedia claims seem a little doubtful, at least in that year.

    Probably the only real way to resolve this dispute would be to browse the archives of 3 or 4 of the leading Nazi publications, if they exist anywhere, and see whether they occasionally used that term.

    As one more (weak) datapoint, British historian Arthur Bryant published Unfinished Victory in early 1940, a reasonably favorable treatment of Nazi Germany, which he’d been working on during the 1930s and then desperately tried to suppress and destroy once the war turned bitter. It’s available on Archive.org, and I found he uses the term “National Socialist/ism” 18 times and “Nazi” 54 times.

    Anyway, I claim no great expertise in Nazi Germany, and I’ve now completely exhausted the limits of my knowledge in this minor and rather irrelevant issue.

  150. @Ron Unz

    Probably the only real way to resolve this dispute would be to browse the archives of 3 or 4 of the leading Nazi publications, if they exist anywhere, and see whether they occasionally used that term.

    You’re dug in on this, aren’t you? First, there is no “dispute” about this, but only you ignorantly clinging to your wrong ideas. I can already tell you if you did “browse the archives of 3 or 4 of the leading Nazi publications,” you would NOT find the word used.
    But you like to use it, and probably will not give it up no matter what you would find in the archives.
    This has all been very revealing.

  151. @Ron Unz

    Indeed a minor issue but Australians also tend to the kind of abbreviation Caroline Yeager attributes to Germans (like Adi for Adolf). Thus Libs for Liberal Party of Australia, Nats for National Party – Nats used to be Country Party but I don’t remember any abbreviation of that. So I can get the feel of the choice made by an editor to print “A Nazi Goes to Palestine”. It’s a friendly title like one for a children’s book rather than one insisting on upholding the full dignity of membership of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Even a Nazi bureaucrat may not have thought “A Member of the NSDAP goes to Palestine” very catchy.

  152. @Carolyn Yeager

    A little self-deprecation maybe – but as an adherent of the brothers Strasser (known as “the reasonable Nazis”, purged in 1931 and 1934 respectively) I assure you there was no particular odium attached to the term.
    “Hitlerism”, OTOH, brings to mind the Esoteric Hitlerists (“Gylph”) who await the Coming of the Third Sargon (on a silver disk in the heavens; he will raise the armies of the Three Empires that succumbed to the forces of Darkness – Bab Ilu, Karthago, Germany – and lead them in the Last Battle in Greenland (roughly: Middle Earth))
    I am not an adherent of them 😀

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Adûnâi
  153. @Ron Unz

    Eh, “National Socialist” is quite unwieldy, I could see foreign observers using the term as they had no real skin in the game but apart from very rare instances of official German publications using the term, it was not very much used by actual NSDAP ideologues and adherents. I think the title of the Palestine article in Der Angriff may have been tongue in cheek somewhat.

    But maybe you are correct in that the term Nazi was not regarded as a grave slur by the Germans, but it was still nonetheless very rarely used. Hitler does not use the term in his speeches at all.

  154. Scotist says:

    ‘Writing in Slavic Review, demographers Barbara Anderson and Brian Silver maintained that limited census data make a precise death count impossible. Instead, they offer a probable range of 3.2 to 5.5 million “excess deaths” for the entire Soviet Union from 1926 to 1939, a period that covers collectivization, the civil war in the countryside, the purges of the late 1930s and major epidemics of typhus and malaria. According to Anderson and Silver, historians such as Robert Conquest made the most primitive of errors. These Cold Warriors overestimated fertility rates and underrated the impact of assimilation, through which many Ukrainians were “redesignated” as Russians in the 1939 census, confusing population deficits, which included unborn children, with excess deaths.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#Total_number_of_victims

  155. @Yevardian

    Heh, it makes me think, that like a company with a particularly dodgy business record, ¡Blacks! feel the need to change their group-label every few decades or so, as the previous appellation gets tarnished by their own behaviour, and the old official term gets relegated to a racist slur.

  156. @nokangaroos

    I will NOT get into a debate about Strassism here, but do want to declare that you are not in a position to “assure me” of anything. What are your credentials that credit you with any expertise? What is your “assurance” based on?

    Just because the idiot esotericists call their fanciful theories some form of “Hitlerism”, they are not known to the general public and thus can be ignored. Forget them. Hitler always spoke against all occult or esoteric interpretations of his worldview. And, National Socialism as defined and practiced by the NSDAP between 1920 and 1945 WAS the worldview (Weltanschauung) of Adolf Hitler, not some generic type of nationalist or socialist philosophy.

    It’s on that basis that I have come to think Hitlerism is the better word to use to counter the negative intention now embedded in Nazism. You’re a good example of why it’s better–in that it can’t be stretched or distorted into non-German, non-Hitler forms and flavors. Anyone can create their own movement and call it National Socialism, and many do. But the only successful form of it came under Adolf Hitler with the German people. Does that sound too exclusive? Well it is. It’s not just the theory, but the people needed to carry it out. This is also the cause of the super-hatred against Hitler and his Germans from the Allied nations and Jews … to this day.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  157. @Wyatt

    You do realize that the word “nazi’s” Is a contraction of AshkeNAZI, one of the jewish tribes, right? So “nazi’s” could not be anti semitic. It was/is inter tribal warfare. So the AshkeNAZI jews were against the Sephardic jews. The rest of the world was drawn in to do the fighting for them. So the holocaust was not the death of a few million jews, at the hands of other jews! The holocaust was the death of the tens of millions of non jews who were misdrawn into the battle.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  158. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @nokangaroos

    > ““Hitlerism”, OTOH, brings to mind the Esoteric Hitlerists (“Gylph”)…”

    Are you not aware that what the Americans call “the Allies” is officially called in the Russian historiography the Anti-Hitler Coalition? And the fascist régime of Germany is likewise referred to by Russians as gitlerovtsi, the Hitlerists/Hitlerians.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Антигитлеровская_коалиция

    On another, philological, note, I wonder whether anyone has noticed how the Anglos, usually so averse to pronouncing the [ts] sound, have no trouble doing it for Nazi! It’s as if the Anglo hatred of Germany is so great, they can fake a German/Yiddish accent in service of their Christian morals and to please the Jew.

    > “…the brothers Strasser (known as “the reasonable Nazis”, purged in 1931 and 1934 respectively)…”

    Are you sure the folks who were trying to continue the revolution against the capitalist parasites were reasonable? It always struck me that it was Hitler who succeeded in stopping the fighting in the streets (unlike what Herbert Wells had predicted in The Shape of Things to Come), all for the sake of silly national unity. I actually prefer Strasserism because they would have had a higher chance of hanging the Christian priests.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  159. @Carolyn Yeager

    Hitler was not part of the theorists of the Party. That was Eckart, Rosenberg, Darre, etc. Hitler was an orator, and starting in 1927, a fundraiser. That is also when Hitler started veering the party politics more and more center (from the left) to give assurances to the German industrialists and capitalists who he was trying to woo to his party (financially).

    National Socialism was the form of socialism, as opposed to international socialism, that many left wing parties in Germany were advocating at that time. The NDSAP did not practice or advocate the same ideology and theory from when it started to when it ended. It started very far left and moved center, never right though.

    The term Nazi was used interchangeably with other terms. Though not the standard term, it was used.

    • Agree: Reaper
    • Disagree: Carolyn Yeager
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  160. Reaper says:

    Atrticle was fine, jet come as a surprise: need to explain there was notable influence in the birth of NS from the White Russians (means any white force from the former empire). This was always obvious and common knowledge here.
    But influence not limited to the origin/ early era of NS.

    Do not forget alliance is exist from the earliest interwar period up today.
    Shared interest and alliance started right after ww1, in ww2 many who did not emigrated join the war against the reds/ jews, continue in ww2.
    WW2 officially lost/ ended in 1945, but the white resistance not.
    Up untill the 1950`s as various white partisans/ white guards units deny to abadon the war range from Siberia, till the Volga-Don region, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary, Poland, Manchukuo.
    Real end dates of ww2 was about 1953-54 in Ukraine, 1956 in Hungary, but for example the last (original) white partisan captured in the mid 1970`s in Estonia.
    And in the USSR the resistance did continue in the gulag/ prison system right after the end of “The war of the bitches”, till the collapse of the USSR, and among the first memebers of C18 Russia (same true for other organizations) there were many who was trained in the prison system of the USSR.

    This have eng subs:




    Deleted many times, but always re-uploaded somewhere.

    Just noticed holodomorinfo website deleted – off course jews did not liked that when told to the world how jew-communist killed millions because people there were against the jewish-communist occupation.

  161. @RedpilledAF

    Not that I think left and right are all that useful terms, but Hitlers ideas on race and nationalism definitely does not belong left or center. If we are to use such terms, National Socialism is obviously an amalgamation of left and right.

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  162. @Alexandros

    No, he was very left. His introduction to the party was in an argument with an economics professor, where he defended socialism. It took place in 1919. Also, his race views are absolutely leftist. It is the left that is now, and has always been obsessed with race—and as such creating even more racism. The notion of the Nazi party being right wing or far right is based on the view of international socialism, more specifically the Soviet Marxist line. They attached the term rightwing on to the Nazis because they are in fact to their right—on the left side of the spectrum. But, more so, because they want to make national socialism (not just the Nazi party) as something other than socialism so as to get a monopoly on the economic, political, and social theory. It seems to have worked.

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  163. @RedpilledAF

    Positive race views are not leftist. You can not name a single lefist government or ideological leader who espoused such ideas.

    The leftist view of race is negative. If it’s good it needs to be destroyed, if it is bad, it does not exist. They seek to destroy all racial homogenity. This to you is similar to Hitlerism? Yes indeed you have plenty of racists on the left, in the sense Jews attach to the word, ie. hatred towards others. That was not Hitler. His racism was not going around hating people. It was about preserving and protecting what is good.

    The only similarity with Hitler and the left is that they both use direct state power to force a certain mode of behavior in the nation. But really, of what government is that not true? So they are only alike where everybody is alike. National Socialism is a direct antithesis to leftism.

  164. @Alexandros

    You have no idea what you are talking about. They themselves, the party, considered themselves as leftists and socialists. Hitler’s first meeting as a visitor, where he impressed the party (before the name change) was him arguing for socialism against an economics professor who was attacking it. Hitler referred to himself and the party as socialist. They actively campaigned through the 1920s with flyers and, pamphlets, and journal articles proudly boasting of their left wing ideology. The party shifted center to attract wealthy financiers who were afraid of the parties leftist politics. Hitler began fundraising in 1927. He went on tour through parts of the nation for the next several years meeting with those possible donors convincing them that the party was not as leftist as it seemed, while the party was holding workers rallies and espousing points that would often be indistinguishable from a socialist or Marxist texts.

    The racial element was not to strong except for a general hate (and rightfully so) of Jews as—international capitalist who are destroyers of nations. The Jew was a wealthy parasite. The element of the party that was racist in the way people picture today was the “Nordicists” and they really became more prevalent after Ricardo Darre came along. Interestingly, he was previously from a left wing “green” party and he brought to the Nazis “Blut und Boden” in its most memorable and finalized form (1930). That is the leftist racism, in German national socialist form. Many parts of the party, especially between 1919-1933, were not racists at all and had pan-Aryan viewpoints with only a hatred of Jews and Judaism (to varying degrees and forms).

    Also, I think you are projecting back contemporary understandings, which is a horrible mistake in general, but importantly when it comes to theNazi party—As well as obviously having no idea about the party social and political theory 1919-1933, which were the formative years. Upon ascendancy many things changed or were readjusted or nuanced or simply erased. Hitler is not who you think he was. He changed himself a few times over the years 1919-1945.

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  165. Incitatus says:
    @Zarathustra

    “German (Weimar) Law” compromised authoritarian monarchist Hindenburg’s increased reliance on granting chancellors (Brüning, Papen, Schleicher) ’emergency powers’ as Reichstag sessions declined into dysfunction.

    The high point of NSDAP popularity was the 31 Jul 1932 election: NSDAP won 230 of 608 seats (38%) in the Reichstag: 305 (50.2%) are required for a majority. SPD (Social Democrats) won 133 (21.9%), KPD (Communists) 89 (14.6%). Why wasn’t Hitler, by your logic, appointed chancellor (rather than Papen)?

    Amidst declining party revenue and continued lack of office, the Führer was desperate:

    “If the party falls apart, I’ll finish myself off with a pistol within three minutes”
    -Adolf Hitler quoted by Joseph Göbbels, Tagebücher 2 Sep 1932 p.297

    Not his first public suicide threat (see 1923, 1924). How rational is that in an adult?

    File under declining fortunes the 6 Nov 1932 German Federal Election: NSDAP won 196 seats (32.2%), SPD 121 (19.9%), KPD 100 (16.4%). NSDAP support fell 15%. Schleicher assumed office 3 Dec 1932.

    30 Jan 1933? Maybe it had something to do Neudeck, conservative underestimation of Hitler, and with 400,000 SA outnumbering 100,000 Reichswehr 4:1.

    Just a thought.

  166. @Alexandros

    Hi Alexandros – This guy “redpilled” is the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. When you really try to make out what he’s saying, it becomes empty rhetoric. He picks out a few factual or semi-factual tidbits and presents them as the whole story. I refuse to recognize him, so am writing to you to emphasize the very important point that Hitler was NOT concerned with race. What people like redpilled (Strasserites, Leftists, Socialists, etc) completely miss is the importance of being German. Hitler was a German Patriot whose whole aim was to help his fellow Germans and Germany as a nation and empire. He was not racist except for classifying Germans according to their racial characteristic. The Jew thing was a result of the harm Jews had done and were doing to Germans in their own homeland. Jews didn’t belong. (Of course, today that is considered racial hate.)

    Hitler was not concerned with the “White race,” either, because at that time the “white race” wasn’t threatened in any way. “Europeanism” came into the picture because of the 2nd war (1940-45) that was forced upon Germany, resulting in its need to occupy so many European countries after conquering them (only because they couldn’t be trusted not to attack or sabotage the German homeland). The left wing of the NSDAP, centered mostly in Berlin, was defeated by Hitler in Operation Hummingbird because it wanted to take over the leadership.

    Pulling together all social and occupational classes under the banner of “German” rather than dividing Germans by social and occupational class, is not leftist or rightest. No, it is NATIONALIST. That’s what Hitler was, a nationalist. The “socialist” part was for two reasons. At that time socialism was extremely popular with the working classes, so to win them over it was smart to include it. Secondly, it was about providing social programs and a certain amount of state welfare from and to Germans, assuring dignity and respect for every German person, which had not been the case previously.

    IOW, non-Germans like ‘redpilled’ want to take what was a German movement and judge it from their international socialist-communist perspective. They want to look at a great German LEADER and judge him by their non-German standards and values. They don’t contribute anything worthwhile and don’t deserve the time of day.

    • Agree: Alexandros, Bookish1, Reaper
    • Replies: @Incitatus
    , @RedpilledAF
  167. @Zarathustra

    Solomon’s mother was Bathsheba who was Palestinian. So Solomon could not be a Jew according to Jewish laws.

    You confuse Bathsheba the Israelite—with her husband (Uriah the Hittite who was a Palestinian) (Forget about “Jews” for just one moment)…

    The father of Bathsheba was one Eliam as ALSO* spelled “Ammiel” in I Chronicles 3:5,
    “And these were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shimea, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon, four, of Bathshua the daughter of Ammiel”

    Eliam (Ammiel) was the name of a son of Ahithophel, one of King David’s trusted counselors.

    History: For the following reasons it is believed Bathsheba was a granddaughter of Ahithophel, the trusted counselor of King David (Psalm 41:9; 55:12–14), who nevertheless supported David’s son, Absalom, in his attempt to wrest the throne from his own father (2 Samuel 15:12). …Note where David sent his friend Hushai back to Absalom, in order to counteract the betrayed counsel of Ahitophel (2 Samuel 15:31–37).

    What drove Ahithophel to turn his back on King David? Get a big clue here on Bathsheba and her father in 2 Sam. 23:34,

    [MORE]

    where we learn that Ahithophel, of Giloh, Israel, had a son named “Eliam”, and that in 2 Sam. 11:3, where David, upon seeing Bathsheba on the roof,

    “He [David] sent someone to find out who she was, and he was told, ‘She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.’”

    See a connection yet? Ahithophel as the grandfather of Bathsheba–the daughter of his son Amiel–had a tragic end to her own marriage because of King David’s lust for that woman’s body. And that body must have been unworldly. Uriah, Bathsheba’s husband, was immensely faithful to king David, yet he was nevertheless sent to the head of a suicidal battle charge with the enemy in order to conceal the fact that David was the father of the child that Bathsheba was now carrying. And that child died following its birth, for David’s sins.

    IN SUM, when David learned that the woman he desired was married and the granddaughter of Ahithophel–his most trusted advisor–he should have come to his senses and scratched his itch with his own harem and avoided the foreseeable consequences.

    As a result, it seems very possible that David’s counselor Ahithophel never got over David’s betrayal. Bathsheba was an Israelite. The word “Jew” is a word derived following the captivity and exile of the twelve tribes of Israel, and refers to the tiny fragment of survivors of only two tribes who were allowed to return after 70 years. This is when and where in the bible the word “Jew” began, whose history (((sshhh))) for purposes at hand, is irrelevant.
    _____________________________

    * Ammiel and Eliam are transposed forms of the same name, meaning “El is a tribesman” (‘am=gens, el = deus). (cf: Ahaziah and Jehoahaz, Nethaniah and Jehonathan, and many similar transpositions. In “Ammiel,” for “Eliam,” the two elements which form the name are inverted, as in Jehoiachin equals Jechoniah, and the like. Much as in Greek, Theodoros and Dorotheos, Philotheos and Theophilos exist side by side.

  168. @Frank johnson

    Nonsense. I think, have a vague memory that, there’d been an official change in German spelling, the z, pronounced ts, replacing c, pronounced ts, a bad error.

    I have no knowledge of the German language, but still, NSDAP stands for Nazional Socialist Deutsche Arbeiters Party i.e. National Socialist German Workers’ Party, approx.

    So it is definitely not the end of the word Ashkenazi.

    The latter is taken from the name of the man Ashkenaz which appears at Genesis 10:3.

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  169. Sean says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rienzi#Rienzi_and_Adolf_Hitler
    “You know, Ley, it isn’t by chance that I have the Party Rallies open with the overture to Rienzi. [..] Listening to this blessed music as a young man in the theater at Linz, I had the vision that I too must someday succeed in uniting the German Empire and making it great once more.”

    I have read quite a bit by and about Hitler. Mein Kampf, his ‘Second Book’ and biographical studies such as The Psycopathic God (few people know it as well as I) and both Stofi and Simms’s more recent ones. The formative experiences of Hitler’s life were a boyhood fascination with Karl May then as a youth Wagner, Bohemian period in Vienna, people who knew him there said Hitler was already strongly prejudiced against Jews and loss of status, the death of his mother from a horrible disease (he may have later come to see a parallel to the German nation), service as an Austrian volunteer in the German Army, becoming one of the very few of his rank to win the Iron Cross First Class, being driven to despair at the defeat by the British and Americans who he saw as substantially of German descent; the socialist revolution in Bavaria being basically led by Jews while he was still a soldier in Munich was the spark. What Hitler took from his all this was a fear that Germany would suffer population decline though commercial policy and capable people leaving, and so was doomed unless it achieved a continental territorial based economy such as America had.

    There were alternatives “restriction of births, internal colonization, overseas colonialism—he rejected….” With explicit reference to the United States, he then argued that the only acceptable course was a continental war of conquest. “What is refused to amicable methods must be taken by force,” ( Fest 1973)

    To survive the Germans (who Hitler had a rather low opinion of as he thought the best German blood had emigrated) had to conquer and colonize the East. Expansion into the space of Russia was explicitly mentioned by Hitler in Mein Kampf , the aim was to raise the birthrate. The conquered peoples would be reduced to serfs and very gradually dwindle away over the generations. Hitler called the Russians ‘Indians’ he didn’t take their achievements–whether technical or cultural–very seriously. The Jews of Russia were of far less importance to Hitler than Jewish Americans were. America was the international capitalist octopus that was smothering Germany and Jews were important in the “American Union’s financial dealings financial dealings. That is why he was so interested in Henry Ford. Ernst Hanfstaeng said that in the 1920s–when German had a youth bulge–Hitler had unparalleled gifts as a speaker, and it must never be forgotten that he wrote his own speeches. Ethnic Germans in the East provided the skeleton of an empire.

    The root cause of Nazism was Hitler’s plan of making Germany a world power the equal of the USA was not pie in the sky, but quite realistic given a man of action of his decisiveness directing a state punching far above its WW1 weight due to Weimar reforms. Germany had the military wherewithal to win in the West and then turn East. Hitler fooled Stalin, also the Russians were too stupid to pull back their main forces once the attack began, but the diversion of the drive on Moscow doomed the enterprise. Nothing succeeds like success, and whether Germans like Heisenberg would have built Germany a atomic bomb if Russia had been conquered in 1941 is a possibility that cannot be discounted. If Hitler came back and saw Germany as it is today with a flourishing manufacturing-for-export focused economy and highly qualified women having few if any children he would say “That’s exactly what I predicted would happen”.

    • Agree: Reaper
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  170. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Sean

    > “If Hitler came back and saw Germany as it is today with a flourishing manufacturing-for-export focused economy and highly qualified women having few if any children he would say “That’s exactly what I predicted would happen”.”

    But America is totally the same corpse. And is the “shrinking markets” hypothesis viable? So far, Russia has not come to dominate world economy – it fell apart.
    https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/c0fx3c/the_shrinking_markets_problem_forced_hitler_to/

    Your comment is quite insightful, but it has always fascinated me that Hitler and other NS could not see the madness of Christianity and account for it. Why were their Anglo brother nations their enemies at all? Why did they condemn the Italian invasion of Abyssinia (which even helped Hitler)? Why did they cast aside their empires for Poland? It is all a matter of axiology, of culture. Not economics or geopolitics…

    > “The root cause of Nazism was Hitler’s plan of making Germany a world power the equal of the USA was not pie in the sky…”

    The irony is that for making your country an equal of America, mere survival is sufficient. Because America was clearly on the course to self-destruction. I.e., modern Juche Korea is more successful. Conversely, a war of conquest did not make America or Russia healthy – they both served lesser races just like Jesus had washed the feet of a prostitute, and then crucified themselves out of their own volition (in 1991 and 2020-). All the while having the power of the atom to remold the world as they saw fit!

    Did deranged people such as myself simply not get their voice out back then? Why was nobody amazed at how the Philippinos were not systematically exterminated by their supposed American masters? This is not retrospective vision.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines_(1898–1946)

    • Replies: @Sean
  171. Incitatus says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “He [Austrain gefreiter Hitler] was not racist except for classifying Germans according to their racial characteristic”

    “Pulling together all social and occupational classes under the banner of “German” rather than dividing Germans by social and occupational class, is not leftist or rightest. No, it is NATIONALIST. That’s what Hitler was, a nationalist.

    Great. Sadly:

    “[The Eastern Front has] no winter clothing, no protection against the cold and no means for sufficient supply. Hitler was very agitated.”
    — Hitler’s Luftwaffe adjutant Oberst Nicolaus von Below on the supply situation late Dec 1941 [Below ‘Als Hitlers Adjutant p. 297; Stahel ‘Retreat from Moscow’ p.186]

    “Because of supply problems, out rations have been halved. Some days there is only fifty grams of bread [133 calories], which means a bite in the morning and a mouthful in the evening. Since yesterday, the daily bread ration has been raised to two hundred and fifty grams [663 calories]. Everything depends on the weather, since when it is foggy our transport planes cannot fly because of the danger of freezing up…”
    – Deutsche Landser at Stalingrad, Letter to his Mother 8 Dec 1942 [Burleigh ‘The Third Reich’ p.507]

    “On the first day of the holidays, we had goose with rice for dinner, on the second day, goose with peas. We have been eating geese a long time. Only our geese have got four legs and horseshoes.”
    – Deutsche Soldat, Sixth Army at Stalingrad Dec 1942 [Beevor ‘The Second World War’ p. 397]

    Why didn’t great “NATIONALIST” Austrian gefeiter Reichswehr spy Hitler provide for his troops? Why didn’t ordinary Germans have winter uniforms before the end of January 1942? Why were there widespread supply (fuel, ammunition, equipment) shortages just three months into Barbarossa?

    Tell us, Hungarian Hausfrau.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  172. @Incitatus

    Why didn’t great “NATIONALIST” Austrian gefeiter Reichswehr spy Hitler provide for his troops? Why didn’t ordinary Germans have winter uniforms before the end of January 1942? Why were there widespread supply (fuel, ammunition, equipment) shortages just three months into Barbarossa?

    Tell us, Hungarian Hausfrau.

    That’s a lazy effort even for you. In this case the answer will be quite succinct.

    “I’m a soldier woman, not a fucking magician.”

  173. Reaper says:
    @Alexandros

    “The leftist view of race is negative. If it’s good it needs to be destroyed, if it is bad, it does not exist. They seek to destroy all racial homogenity. ”

    True for the liberal-left/ green parties, or what we call in recent decades left.

    If we consider communism left, then not.

    USSR:
    There were a strong favor for Russians.
    Just put near each other how much % of the population considered Russian during the Russian Empire, and at the fall of USSR.
    Russian language was mandatory, countries like in Belarus/ Ukraine still large % did not speak the native languages, even if they describe themselves for example Ukrainian, but speak only Russian.

    China:
    There for centuries was, and still is a strong favor for Han Chinese.
    Up untill mandatory slave work and genocide for other races/ folks in China.

    They do not tried to destroy their race.
    Actually done things intentionally to create more racial hegemony, included work camps, forced relocations, building of new cities and populate with their folks, change population in geographical areas, deny education/ medical/ other from other races, etc…

    Lesser examples:

    Communist/ socialist Yugoslavia:
    During it`s existence was a strong favor towards Serbians.
    War crimes/ genocides against other folks, especially against Hungarians during/ after ww2.

    Communist Czechoslovakia :
    Again pogroms/ work camps, butchery against folks and forced relocations of Germans, Hungarians, Polish.

    Ban other languages, forcibly rename people (give them Slavic names) who remained by avoid relocation, forcinbly put their kids to state care, and educate them to be different nationals/ culture group/ know only state language.

    Actually in both artificial countries was the ultimate goal the racial/ national/ cultural/ language hegemony, eliminate/ supress/ or re-educate other people. Yes during communism (so much for internationale 😛 ), and afterwards, some elemets still exist in the remains of the collapsed artificial countries.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @Jean-Marie L.
  174. Wyatt says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Isn’t it terrifying that that guy can vote?

  175. @Reaper

    There were a strong favor for Russians.
    Just put near each other how much % of the population considered Russian during the Russian Empire, and at the fall of USSR.
    Russian language was mandatory, countries like in Belarus/ Ukraine still large % did not speak the native languages, even if they describe themselves for example Ukrainian, but speak only Russian.

    It’s true that Russia became less Jewish when they found richer victims to squeeze in America. Still a very strange statement, considering the only Russian they hired was so they could have somebody to sign death lists on the Sabbath. Joke of course, but goes to show how much the Soviet government was dominated by Jews and other foreigners.

    If we don’t count all the good genetic material that was Judaized (ie. killed) in the revolution, Russia has kept their ethnicity more or less intact. As far as we can use such terms in a country that has been a multicultural Empire for all of its existence. But that of course has little to do with communism. People don’t move to Russia because it’s a shitty place to live. If somehow that was to change, do you suppose there is anything in Russian law or even culture that will enable them to deny entry on racial grounds?

    I think you’ll find that any nationalism under communist rule is for pragmatic reasons only. You simply can not rule over millions of racists by openly pushing racial replacement. Even in the West it took centuries of softening up the minds of the people to this idea. So far Russia, China et.al. has not been a priority in that regard. But they have been sucking up the cool aid nonetheless, so when the time comes, they will also fold.

    What you call Chinese care for their racial brethren is just millennia old oppression of the poor classes in favor of the rich. Communism has done absolutely nothing to change this. Have you seen how servile the average citizen is? The poor conditions they live under?

    Germany on the other hand, that was a happy country with high standards of living for all.

    • Replies: @Reaper
    , @Adûnâi
  176. Reaper says:
    @RedpilledAF

    There are reasons why it named NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
    Or in modern times why have a song by Division Germania – National und Sozial.

    NS is a unique, also a mix – incorporate elements from other ideologies, something new than the ones before.
    Changed during times.
    Became something new again from the end of ww2 till nowdays.

    What is left, or right, or anything in politics changed too, and people have their own bias how perceive those, or what include into those.
    What called liberalism in mid 1800`s is entirely different what called liberalism in the past 50+ years. The first one was so-so acceptable, the present: enemy which need to be eliminated without any remorse or mercy.

    In your comment there are valid points how rhetoric/ ideology formed/ changed in the NSDAP.
    To argue with people how much NS left, or right pointless as we all have recent perception what does left/ right means NOWDAYS.

    Who try to put NS to a left-right, liberal-conservative double-axis (political compass) model will for sure fail. NS is unique: not any of those, by the way in some regard all of those… does it make it centrist: sure not.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  177. Reaper says:
    @Alexandros

    In the previous comment atthe begining there were a sentence: “If we consider communism left”

    Same true for race.
    For many that means white, black, or other colors.
    Even eugenics was a mess, some take it back for skin color, others to inherited genes, others for nations, or the mix of all that.

    “Russia has kept their ethnicity more or less intact”
    In regard for: physical apperance, culture, language, shared opinions/ attitudes/ customs there were far more % of Russians not only in the Russian SSR, but in the other SSR`s too when USSR fallen than during the Tsars.
    There were a mass national depression/ emigration, also certain folks from Caucasus “occupied” parts of big Russian cities/ districts in the 90`s.
    Things start to get back into the majority favor after 2000.

    “do you suppose there is anything in Russian law or even culture that will enable them to deny entry on racial grounds? ”

    Not suppose, sure.
    As for legalization there are quite much expectations, regulations to be eligable to be there for longer term, and mainly to get citizenship.
    Putin once in live TV get faced with it as the reporter in short told him she lives in Russia for some 15 years, speaks Russian, married there, works there, lives there, and still did not get citizenship, if I remember correctly she was Serbian, so Slavic too.
    Off course who is Russian but for any reason lived abroad, born in a different country, easily get Russian citizenship.

    So with a joke which was common in years back:
    “Off course we have a strict free competition rule for the public procurement (tender) for new buses.
    Any country of origin eligable but it`s capital must called Stocholm.”

    “culture that will enable them to deny entry on racial grounds”
    In culture? 🙂
    Even if we not count on organizations/ groups where for that privilage to get in wannabe members must kill/ or at least publicly beat (and record on camera) an outlander/ tourist/ jew/ somebody from south Caucasus .
    So when exlude them, as radicals the question is still: 🙂 – sorry man.

    But anybody welcome to try to order a coffee in English or German, or whatever far from the tourist areas and trust in luck. For a negro not sure need to speak for the first luck check.
    Very trivial things can lead to trouble.

    Same here: when some years ago I visited comrades – and that is inside my country, not a different one, just a different area.
    There was a strict rule always need somebody with me when go out (as a “stranger”) no matter that is the sister of a friend, or a 10 years old boy, but be somebody local, who can vouch for me/ say “He is with us.”.
    Otherwise no other reason needed to end up badly, even as a corpse in the river than: stranger.
    But the same true the brave can try luck what happens when on the top of stranger plus do not speak local language, or visibly different, like in skin color.
    Wellcome in East Europe. 😉

  178. @Reaper

    There are documents and collections of documents for the NDSAP. No one can change that. It is the facts. What people wish and the reality are far different it seems. The Nazi party was a self-proclaimed left wing and socialist party. They considered Marxism and international socialism as the enemy (and not real socialism). There were many national socialist parties, the NDSAP was not the only one. Hitler suggested the name change from German workers party to national socialist German workers party. The myth of it being “right wing” was Soviet in origin and leftist American/western academics whose hearts lie with the Bolsheviks continued that absurdity.

    The party was left wing and when Hitler was fundraising in the late 1920s he had to assure and satisfy the wealthy corporate, industrialist, and capitalists who were afraid of the socialist/workers element, but were nationalists. Hitler moved the party center slowly and steadily to appease them and make the party more popular across social-economic classes. They were never a right wing party. Nationalism is not based on right and left political spectrum, and it has been harnessed by all sides.

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  179. @Carolyn Yeager

    You literally have no idea what you are talking about. There are documents and you cannot change the facts. I am not part of the groups you listed. I am as far from a leftist as can be.

    You have never studied or researched this topic. It is obvious. I have. I repeat, there are documents, journal articles from the party theorists, and academic books written regarding the 1919-1933 party. You are making stuff up with no formal background or capability in proper research. I don’t think you even have a clue about the document collections I am referring to.

    You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

    Hitler was an opportunist that changed stripes several times. When being hardcore leftist was “in” he played the part. He impressed the early party with his militant socialism contra capitalism. He changed when financing became an issue for the purpose of political power.

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  180. @RedpilledAF

    You have never studied or researched this topic.

    Wrong. Who’s making things up?

    It is obvious. I have. I repeat, there are documents, journal articles from the party theorists, and academic books written regarding the 1919-1933 party.

    How could it be obvious when you haven’t named a single document, party article or academic book that you’ve drawn your information from. I know these things have been said somewhere by someone, but that doesn’t make them meaningful or true in explaining Adolf Hitler.

    I don’t think you even have a clue about the document collections I am referring to.

    LOL. Even if you did name a document collection (which you haven’t), you still have to cite specifics and then show how that applies to the real life and thinking of A. Hitler.

    Hitler was an opportunist that changed stripes several times.

    Hitler was amazingly consistent throughout his entire life. He was always focused on what would help Germany, and his views on what that was shifted only slightly as time went on – that’s not opportunism. When building a functioning political party and actually winning elections, financing and wide support are necessary. Being a dilettante purist, or just a critic of what is, doesn’t work.

    I think you wrote such a childish reply to me in order to get me to reply to you. You succeeded … this time.

  181. Sean says:
    @Adûnâi

    Conflict between people and countries can be fruitful though. Don’t be so sure that Hitler did not think taking his country into a racial war win would do it a lot of good win or lose. He said all life was bound up in three theses.
    1.Struggle is the father of all things
    2. Virtue lies in blood (we’d say DNA).
    3. Leadership is primary and decisive.

    The freest human being is not one who acts on reasons he has chosen for himself, but one who never has to choose. Rather than agonizing about alternatives he responds effortlessly to situations as they arise. He lives not as he chooses but as he must. (John N. Gray)

    I suppose that is what Hitler’s first philosophical hero, Schopenhauer, meant by “Will”. Although his mother was a practicing Catholic, I think Hitler was highly religious in his Wagnerism; if you take seriously his own accounts of what inspired him then Hitler was created by Rienzi. In his very early years in politics in Bavaria he tried to emphasize to Catholics by that he was being a true Christian as a fighter for justice rather than turning the other cheek as a coward. Some of the local Nazis in Bavaria tried to take crucifixes of of the walls of schoolrooms after Hitler came to power. Catholic Bavaria was regarded with suspicion by German leaders long before Hitler of course.

    At first Hitler’s only real donator of funds outside Bavaria was Catholic Fritz Thyssen, who eventually broke with the Nazis over their closing down of the Catholic party, newspapers, schools and all Catholic institutions that were not strictly limited to religious worship. Thyssen clearly overestimated the danger of communism in Germany when he backed Hitler. It must be remembered that although Hitler was quite modest in what he hoped to personally achieve in the style of Schopenhauer, when he started to think in Nietzschean terms he shortened the timeframe. The overheating of the German economy under mobilization for hostilities meant he had nothing to gain by way of relative advantage over his rapidly rearming future enemies by waiting.

    Hitler first went to prison in 1921 for beating up a Bavarian separatist leader at his own meeting. At the begining of his political career, Hitler was concerned with Bavarian and other German separatist tendencies being aided by France, the strength of socialism in Northern Germany, an a desire to reverse the Weimar reforms that centralized power away from regions like Bavaria. Once in power, Hitler did not fear attack from the Soviet Union. Being a Marxist, Stalin thought the West must get into another internecine war and was intent on waiting until Western Europe became exhausted in the bloody near stalemate and eventual loss for Germany that almost everyone assumed another world war would become).

    Hitler aimed at a world-historical reset for Germany, whereby it would escape the ‘supranational stock exchange power’ of the American-based capitalist octopus, of which Bolshevism was merely a weapon. Germany was still quite rural-agricultural in Hitler’s time. He thought a commercial export policy would lead to uneven development and degenerated living through urbanization and peace was not worth paying that price. Now Germany is militarily secure (no hostile state on its borders for the first time in history) and Germans just as Hitler predicted are becoming the workers for the world while suffering inequality, visible in the surprising number of poor, and a collapsing birthrate.

    I am not sure that the US is in as bad a shape as Germany with the birthrate. Maybe it is because America’s territory is so big and there is still some living space. Not a lot of people know it but SS men did not have any larger families than anyone else in Hitler’s Germany, ideology does not matter very much obviously. it wasn’t why the German army fought so well either. Germany is now in the hands of Thysenns: industrialists. The whole economy is being run and Germans taxed to subsidize the export of manufactured goods though the single currency for the EU. As with their soldiers in WW2, the German people will not break ranks no matter what disasters unfold.

  182. @RedpilledAF

    Let’s put an end to this silly game. The left right spectrum dates back to the French Revolution. Cuckservatives on the right, Commies on the left. In no way does Hitler or the NSDAP fit either of those.

    You can very loosely place them on the left because they want some form of change, but you can also place them on the right because they want to conserve. Then you have the racial factor which fits nowhere. The left might hate blood, but they certainly don’t love it. The right used to like blood, but now they’ve run away scared.

    So no matter if you are talking about 1920 or 2020, the NSDAP was never left or right. It was National Socialism. Something unique.

    They were definitely socialist though. In the real sense.

    “The people does not live for the economy, and the economy does not exist for capital. Rather capital serves the economy, and the economy serves the people.” – Adolf Hitler

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    , @Svigor
  183. Sean says:

    The one who got Hitler started as a political speaker was Captain Karl Mayr, who also introduced him to Ludendorff, who was the one that convinced Thyssen to fund Hitler. Ludendorff was interested in the East (he left too many troops there in 1918) but I don’t think Hitler was particularly anti slav at that point. Ludendorff’s 1918 stormtrooper attack almost won Germany WW1, it was a Blitzkrieg that used men as panzers, but with legs rather than engines and wheels having to cover so much ground placed tremendous strain on the stormtroops. And then the second wave of the 1918 influenza pandemic struck down a fifth of German soldiers at the crucial point. So the Stab In the Back was more up the nose. When WW2 started German and West European Jews were going to be held responsible for Germany’s troubles, but the Jews of the East were simply going to be immediately shot by German forces during their advance. Hitler thought Russia was far less a threat than he would have if he had known about the massive factories constructed by American experts.

    In a few words: there is no such thing as Soviet technology. Almost all — perhaps 90-95 percent — came directly or indirectly from the United States and its allies. In effect the United States and the NATO countries have built the Soviet Union. Its industrial and its military capabilities. This massive construction job has taken 50 years. Since the Revolution in 1917. It has been carried out through trade and the sale of plants, equipment and technical assistance. (Sutton 1972)

    Harvard educated acquaintance of both Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, Walter Lippmann and John Reed, the half American Ernst ‘Putzi” Hanfstaengl was far more influential in Hitler’s thinking than Rosenberg was. Unlike Rosenberg, Hanfstaengl gave the young movement invaluable practical help; after being introduced Hitler ‘ rhetoric as an observer while doing a favour for the US Embassy not only was he the only person funding it, and giving Hitler entrée to elite circles where he became respectable to crucial non Bavarian funders, but he edited the party newspaper using US-style salesmanship (he had headed an art house publishing firm in NYC) which was highly successful is growing the party, although there were complaints he was “Americanizing” it. Like Hitler Hanfstaengl was a Wagnerite, and a very good pianist due to his superb training, natural ability, and huge hands, which Hitler greatly admired.

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  184. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Alexandros

    > “You simply can not rule over millions of racists by openly pushing racial replacement.”

    The USSR withered away because they did not push for the racial replacement of Germany – by Russians. Or to be more precise, this cuckoldry syndrome comes from their Christian axiology. The same is with America which helped the Philippino population to grow instead of culling them.

    > “Have you seen how servile the average citizen is? The poor conditions they live under?”

    The Chinese live better than ever thanks to the Party guidance. Their conditions could not be improved further because America has nuclear weapons. The moment Pax Americana ends, the Chinese will get the Lebensraum for their swelled population by dint of iron and blood.

  185. soll says:
    @Alexandros

    Alexandros:

    “The people does not live for the economy, and the economy does not exist for capital. Rather capital serves the economy, and the economy serves the people.” – Adolf Hitler”

    Considering that Hitler was Germany’s lead tax evader, having been fined 400,000 marks on his then 1.2 million marks annual income in 1934, to forcefully making himself tax-exempt before he blocked the Reich budgets in the same year so that the Germans could not follow the fiscal policies throughout 1934-45, Hitler made sure that the economy served himself.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/17/hitler.tax/

    He even sold off Germany’s gold holdings.

    “When he [Hitler] took office, the Reichbank had reserves totaling 937 million Reichmarks; four years later, that figure was down to only 72 million Reichmarks. Massive government borrowing financed the rest of the government-driven economy…”

    https://reason.com/1999/08/01/nazi-economics/

    While Hitler drove their economy into the ground, they struggled to even reach the peak of 1927 as under the Weimar Republic, all without cooking the books, removing women and Jews from the figures, sending layabouts and threats of concentration camps and without mass armament spending. In modern comparisons stated by Adam Tooze, living standards and income under the Third Reich was as living today in South America.

  186. soll says:
    @Sean

    Sean says:

    “The one who got Hitler started as a political speaker was Captain Karl Mayr, who also introduced him to Ludendorff, who was the one that convinced Thyssen to fund Hitler. Ludendorff was interested in the East (he left too many troops there in 1918) but I don’t think Hitler was particularly anti slav at that point.”

    According to Thomas Weber, Hitler turned in 1924 following Lenin’s death.

  187. Sean says:

    I happen to think Max Richter was too soft hearted, as shown by the way he tried to save the Armenians while a German diplomat, to influence Hitler who saw the Young Turks as a model for national rejuvenation after disastrous defeat. Richter was not a real White Russian émigré if that is understood to mean on the losing side in the civil war, because he joined the German army in WW1 and was thus fighting the Tsar’s Russia.

    https://academic-eb-com.eres.qnl.qa/levels/collegiate/article/20th-century-international-relations/105970
    In March 1931, Stresemann’s successor as German foreign minister, Julius Curtius, signed an agreement with Vienna for a German–Austrian customs union, but French objections to what they saw as a first step toward the dreaded Anschluss provoked a run on the Creditanstalt and forced Berlin and Vienna to renounce the union on September 3. The panic then spread to Germany, rendering the Reichsbank unable to meet its obligations under the Young Plan. President Hoover responded on June 20, 1931, with a proposal for a one-year moratorium on all intergovernmental debts …

    In Wall Street And The Rise of Hitler Anthony C. Sutton points out that the solution of the Nazis to the Depression was a program of forced cartelisation, and the subsequent New Deal in the US was something that the Nazi’s saw had sticking similarities to their own Now Order economic program. Hitler’s economic competence must be judged by how wisely he spent. As for him not matching 1927, in WW1 Wilhelmine Germany was hamstrung by inability to heavily tax the powerful regions for military purposes, and the Weimar constitution was deliberately designed to centralised Germany’s financial resources and make it better able to exert its strength. So it was was not a weakened Germany at all in 1927, and its spending on armaments’ had to be very clandestine because of the Treaty.

    This paper explores the period of military cooperation between the Weimar Period German Army (the Reichswehr), and the Soviet Union. […] The most influential of the four facilities was the tank testing and training grounds… , near Kazan in NorthCentral Russia. Soviet and German students studied and worked side by side; German officers in fact often wore the Soviet uniform while at the school, to show solidarity with their fellow officers. Among the German alumni of the school were many of the most famous practitioners of mobile warfare during the Second World War, such as Guderian, Manstein, Kleist and Model

    Moreover, Weimar German foreign policy under Gustav Stresemann was to reverse the terms of the Treaty Of Versailles, in furtherance of which he would have used–or credibly threaten to use–the German armored force he secretly created. Stresemann was not intending to conquer Russia, so the policies of this post’s putative White-Russian-influenced Hitler before 1923 and Stresemann and can hardly be separated. It ought to be borne in mind that although Hitler was in private conversation anti Semitic in his Vienna days, stridently against Jews in public statements during 1919 while still in the army and very early in his political speechmaking was calling for war, he toned all this hard core stuff down considerably when he began to be a national political figure. His policies maybe were not so much changed by exposure to White Russians of German extraction, but always very different to those of other Germans of his time whom Stresemann is an example. Of course Hitler had an unbroken run of successes, and that leads one to push one’s luck. Maybe the most vital attribute of Hitler was his optimism.

    I listed Hitler’s formative influences and the Eastern bias of Ludendorff who annexed the Baltic and Ukraine through his treaty with Lenin above, but one I left out was the example of Mussolini. Italy and Turkey were Hitler’s models immediately post WW1. He wanted to make Germany strong, and only then try to take territory by force, which could mean a very long time in the future. But his coming to power and the ” dreaded Anschluss” provoked a response and an arms race he could not win if he stuck to his original timetable. I think if Hitler’s aims were conquest of the East, he can hardly be called incompetent for a non-sustainable increase in armaments spending, if I remember rightly he got quite a bit of bang for his timely buck. It wasn’t military Keynesianism, if he was planning on using the armaments, which he did to such effect he came astonishingly close to total victory in a Promethean project that beforehand none thought had the slightest chance of success.

  188. Svigor says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    People who stick up for jevvs fall into a couple of types.

    1. Jevvs, like you, who make a big show of not being jevvish (or at least, of taking advantage of the assumption in the untrained mind that you aren’t jevvish) so as to train the dumb goyim that defending jevvs is goyish moral imperative (probably one of the most bizarre values in the history of mankind.

    (If you were honest everyone would be like “yeah of course he always says jevvs dindunuffin, he’s a jevv, what else is he gonna say? Defending jevvs is jevvs’ problem, let them handle it”). Because if the universe rights itself to the natural position of letting jevvs worry about jevvs and letting everyone else worry about everyone else, let alone the natural position of looking at all the absolutely vile disgusting shit your tribe is up to and has been up to for generations now, then you people are fucked, and rightly so.

    2. Goys who are well-meaning and/or indoctrinated but who are just plain ignorant and and don’t know any better. And maybe a bit slow. Nice white ladies, etc. Never met a white man with anything on the ball who actually gave a flying fuck about you people. Lots of them might back away from you if you go frothing at the mouth about jevvs, because social status fears, but they don’t actually give a flying fuck about you people. And why would they?

    3. Jevvs’ paid servants.

    Go fuck yourself, if the preceding didn’t make the sentiment clear already.

  189. Svigor says:

    I mean, let’s just condense it down to a nutshell:

    Jevvs: rich powerful white men bad!
    Also jevvs: rich powerful jevv white men beyond reproach!

    Jevvs really do expect you to feel guilt and shame (things they’re largely incapable of feeling, outside the particularist/ethnocentric context) for criticizing the world’s most powerful, privileged, and wealthy group. So, how much of a schmuck are you, goy?

  190. Svigor says:
    @Alexandros

    “The people does not live for the economy, and the economy does not exist for capital. Rather capital serves the economy, and the economy serves the people.”

    WTF, I love socialism now.

  191. @Reaper

    countries like in Belarus/ Ukraine still large % did not speak the native languages, even if they describe themselves for example Ukrainian, but speak only Russian.

    This is imperialist (anglo-zionist) disinformation. I know ethnic Russians who lived in the Ukraine under Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev and speak much better Ukrainian and have much better knowledge of Ukrainian culture than the current Ukrainian youth who kowtow to the McDonald’s culture.

    There never was any repression of local languages. Of course Russian was an official language throughout the USSR; what is a country without an official language?

    When I visited Kiev in Brezhnev times, all signs in the streets were in Ukrainian, and the languages heard reflected the mix of ethnic Russians and Ukrainians typical of the Kiev area. I was able to buy a book in Ukrainian by the Ukraine’s national poet Taras Shevshchenko from a government store, whereas Russian classics were only available on the black market.

    What is not realized is the very strong proportion of ethnic Russians in all of the Ukraine except the West, as well as in Byelorussia. Now, in the post-Maidan tyrany, many of these ethnic Russians have become russophobic…

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