The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection$
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 Allan Wall Archive
MEMO from MIDDLE AMERICA: Southern Baptist Convention Leaders Adopt Black Lives Matter Heresy. Time for Christians and Patriots to Secede.
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information


Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • B
Show CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

Earlier: MEMO FROM MIDDLE AMERICA: Woke Southern Baptist Bureaucrats Move To Crush Local Church Rebels. Rebels Fight Back.

As an evangelical Christian I respect my Southern Baptist brothers and sisters in Christ and the good work they do. I hate to see them led astray, above all by their own treacherous leadership. My advice: Free your local church from the Wokeness that has infected the Southern Baptist Convention: secede!—as your forefathers did; and as many SBC congregations are already doing again.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in America, is generally thought as conservative because it is orthodox on questions of Baptist faith. But alas, it is now “Woke” and a fellow-traveler with the openly Marxist Black Lives Matter. (See here, here, and here for what other authors have said about the SBC’s Amnesty enthusiasm.)

And, not coincidentally, SBC is declining in membership: “For the 13th consecutive year, the Southern Baptist Convention reported a drop in its membership” [Southern Baptist Convention continues statistical decline, Floyd calls for rethinking ACP process, Staff Reports, Baptist Press, June 4, 2020]. But the Wokeness disease isn’t likely to cure itself because stems from depraved Southern Baptist higher education.

Thus Dr. Tom Buck, a Southern Baptist minister, has warned that Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (SEBTS) is now teaching “standpoint epistemology,” which means you can interpret the Bible the “Western way” or the “African way” [BUCK: Cancer growing in Southern Baptist Convention seminaries, Capstone Report, July 16, 2020].

“There is a cancer in our convention, and if we don’t wake up soon it’ll be too late,” Buck warned his coreligionists in a twitter thread. The cancer, Capstone reported, is “radical subjectivism” and a “Biblical hermeneutic that is culturally relativistic.”

Meanwhile, Southern Baptists’ flagship educational institution, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, recently pink-slipped Dr. Russell Fuller after 22 years. A professor of Biblical Hebrew, Fuller literally wrote the textbook used to teach the language, so he was no lightweight.

Fuller’s son, David, revealed why the school’s provost, Matthew Hall [Email him] canned his father:

David Fuller warned there is a serious problem of radical leftist thinking at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He wrote of his father, “He (Dr. Fuller) is unafraid to take a stand for orthodoxy even if it means losing his job. He condemned publicly the wicked social justice movement that now rages among the faculty and leaders of Southern Seminary.”

[BOMBSHELL: Fired Professor’s Family Breaks Their Silence about Mohler and SBTS, April 24, 2020].

And who is Matthew Hall? Paradoxically, he’s a confessed racist:

David Fuller said, “And in a final twist of irony, he was fired by the man he opposed so forcefully from being promoted to provost for his radically liberal views, the self-avowed racist, Matt Hall.”

Hall is a self-avowed racist. He incredibly claimed on video, “I’m a racist. … I’ll struggle with racism and white supremacy till the day I die.”

Hall has reached “Peak Wokeness,” as One News Now observed.[ Seminary leader reaches peak wokeness: ‘I am a racist’, August 9, 2019]

In May, Professor Fuller divulged that SBTS is teaching critical race theory [BREAKING: Former SBC Professor breaks silence about Identity Politics at SBTS, Capstone Report, May 16, 2020].

Perhaps even more shockingly, Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, Texas, recently expelled student Ashleigh Brock, but not for denying fundamental doctrine or spreading heresy, or even a night of drunken revelry, but for pointing out BLM’s hypocrisy. And that is heresy in the new Church of Wokeness.

On June 24, Brock posted a nine-second TikTok video ridiculing BLM and its fellow travelers. It contrasts the reactions of “People when a BLACK person kills another BLACK person” and “People when a BLACK person kills a WHITE person” (indifference), to “People when a WHITE person kills a BLACK person” (fire and outrage) [Student ousted from Christian school for TikTok ‘hate speech’ criticizing Black Lives Matter, by McKenna Dallmeyer, Campus Reform, July 1, 2020].

Of course Ashleigh’s video was attacked by Left Twitter. And two days later, HSU President Eric Brentmyer [Email him] addressed the university in a video.

It was a “deeply disappointing and unacceptable social media post by one of our students,” he said, which is “not reflective of the Christian values of our institution.”

Never did Brentmyer prove that Brock said or did something biblically or doctrinally unsound or evil, or “not reflective of our institution.” Instead, he intoned “we do not want to condone behavior that questions people’s worth, their value, their dignity, or their equality.”

Of course, this is nonsense. Brock merely exposed the hypocrisy of those who care about some victims but not others.

Capstone summed up the insanity:

Truth is now racist. … Apparently, truth and wit are not “Christian” values at HSU. But throwing a young student to the Woke Mob is. Whatever happened to protecting those under your care? Or tolerance? Oh well, there is a Woke Mob to please and whatever it says is racist is racist. Culture Jihad is right. This is the fruit of the Wokening of the Southern Baptist Convention.

[RACIST! Southern Baptist university cancels student for telling the truth, by Capstone Report, June 26, 2020]

For more evidence of how woke the SBC is, look no farther than J.D. Greear, SBC’s president [Tweet him].

In a video address to the entire denomination, the SBC president explained the proper way to think about BLM, its riots, and ideological agenda. Reformation Charlotte aptly explained it in the headline: SBC President Urges Christians to Ignore Facts and Statistics and Instead Chant Marxist Slogans, [June 10, 2020].

After the 11-minute mark, Greear addressed BLM:

[W]e need to say it clearly as a Gospel issue: Black Lives Matter. Of course black lives matter. Our black brothers and sisters are made in the image of God. Black lives matter because Jesus died for them. Black lives are a beautiful part of God’s creation and … we would be poorer as a people without them.

[2020 SBC President’s Message Addresses Diversity, Missions, Unity, Abuse Prevention Word and Way, June 10, 2020]


OK, but what’s Greear leading up to?

“And by the way, let’s not respond by saying oh well all lives matter. Of course all lives matter,” he continued:

[Let’s spare each other the quotation of stats right now. You know if you talk to some black friends, you’ll know that they can tell you about their experiences, how some of them can be quite different from others in our country. We want rights and privileges to be extended to everybody.

What? All lives matter but really only black lives matter?

And “stats” don’t matter? What “stats” might those be?

The truth, of course, is that “Black Lives Matter” is a blood libel on white America. But Greear is saying that truth doesn’t matter, a dangerous thing for a Christian leader to say.

So how does J.D. Greear get around BLM’s Marxist opposition to the traditional family?

[T]he movement and the website has been hijacked by some political operatives whose world view and policy prescriptions would be deeply at odds with my own. But that doesn’t mean that the sentiment behind it is untrue.

“Hijacked?” BLM has been Marxist from its beginning [BLM Co-Founder Admits; “We Are Trained Marxists,” Freedom Forum, July 2, 2020].

“I do not align myself with the Black Lives Matter organization,” Greear continued, “and I think saying bold things like defund the police is unhelpful and deeply disrespectful to many public servants.”

But as a practical matter he is aligning himself with BLM.

At SBC’s annual convention in June, Greear urged SBC to “retire” the historic Broadus gavel with which it has opened meetings since 1872. The gavel is named for John A. Broadus, slave-owner who supported the Confederacy and helped found Southern Baptists Seminary [J. D. Greear Urges SBC to Retire Historic Gavel from Slaveholding Preacher, by Adelle Banks, Religion News Service, June 10, 2020].

“Here we were, a convention of nearly 48,000 independent, autonomous churches, meeting in a city that has been filled with [a] horrific history of civil rights abuses, making historic moves in the areas of diversity, abuse, and mission, using a gavel named after a Southern Baptist who owned slaves and was deeply involved in our founding,” he said.

In other words, the leader of America’s biggest Protestant denomination is demonizing his church, founded by sincere Christians who were concerned about real problems, and his country.

Why the Baptist leadership’s radical shift left? Most likely, elite Baptists yearn for respect from secular society, which they sure won’t get for opposing abortion and same-sex marriage. Thus, they go overboard on the race issue.

And of course, Southern Baptists—Baptist Southerners—have twice as much to prove!

All patriotic members of Southern Baptist churches should be appalled.

There’s a solution: Secession.

Baptists believe in “local church autonomy,” as Greear himself said. SBC does not control the autonomous local congregations, nor does it own their local property—unlike the Episcopal church. A Southern Baptist church in Anytown, U.S.A. can secede from SBC and declare its independence.

Do it now!

American citizen Allan Wall (email him) moved back to the U.S.A. in 2008 after many years residing in Mexico. Allan’s wife is Mexican, and their two sons are bilingual. In 2005, Allan served a tour of duty in Iraq with the Texas Army National Guard. His VDARE.COM articles are archived here; his articles are archived here; his News With Views columns are archived here; and his website is here.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
Hide 30 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. Rational says:


    Thanks, Sir. I agree it is time to get out not just the SBC, but this Middle Eastern cult called Christianity. The Pope is so evil, he kisses the feet of cesspool colored alien invaders.

    “This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found I have letters that even the blind will be able to see. I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough, I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race.” — Friedrich Nietzsche

    Another reason is

    • Agree: Based Lad
  2. Druid says:

    That’s what happens when you f up your religion with things like the scoffed bible, trinity, etc. the goos own you, play you like fiddles and shite on you!

  3. Gordo says:

    Any organisation which is not explicitly pro-White will become anti-White as it is assimilated by the establishment.

    Any organisation which is explicitly pro-White will be attacked with lawfare by the establishment.

    Keeping your organisations small scale and networking informally can be useful.

    • Replies: @anon
  4. El Dato says:

    David Fuller is quoted as saying:

    Hall is a self-avowed racist. He incredibly claimed on video, “I’m a racist. … I’ll struggle with racism and white supremacy till the day I die.”

    That doesn’t mean he’s a racist. It means he’s a “struggler”.

    Same as if a Bolshie declares publicly that he’s a “reactionary”, that doesn’t mean he’s into Capitalism. It means he’s trying to keep the door to the upper Bolshie rangs open.

  5. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:

    The internationalist Jewish cult known as Christianity has been Blacked from its infancy. The Ethiopian eunuch was one of the first converts, and Acts 13:1 mentions Simeon the Nigger in a leadership position. Christianity cannot be “pro-White” and reject these Black Christians in the New Testament without blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

    • Replies: @Anon
  6. American Citizen 2.0 says:

    I was raised to be a Fundamentalist Christian, to believe the Bible is the literal, inspired word of God. Baptists, in our worldview, were not Scriptural Christians in myriad ways. Their approach to Christianity is deviant at best. They have been propelled into the 21st century mainly because they provide a much needed social outlet for a lot of people in small town America who would otherwise probably just be Methodists if push came to shove. Obviously, Methodists are the spawn of Satan along with Episcopalians from a 1st century literalist, fundamentalist point of view. I remember riding in the car with my grandpa as a kid going to church and whenever we would pass any other church but our own he would point out that they are all going to hell.

    What caused me to give up that worldview as an adult? One of the big things that changed how I see life is moving to a big city and seeing how Black churches are basically funded by wealthy white people to encourage all kinds of political organizing. I realized that in the olden days the same thing happened all over America. Churches were a kind of political headquarters for different groups. For the most part the mere fact that you were a member of the church sufficed and nothing about the doctrines or beliefs mattered all that much. They were early social networks financed by rich people for political ends. In the cold war, the fanatical adherence to Christianity underpinned our resistance to Soviet aggression. So the government encouraged faith institutions.

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging. I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense. I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation. It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned. We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
    , @Anon
  7. Smart Guy says:

    You can always tell a Baptist, you just can’t tell them much…..

  8. As far as I can see, that leaves only the Nederlaandse Reformed Church.
    (“The kaffir is my brother in Christ – yet nowhere does it say my brother-in-law” 😛 )

  9. Jasonn says:

    BLM is a Marxist outfit and that is ALL you need to know.

    • Agree: Based Lad
  10. For 3000 years — from Moses to Pope Leo X — charging interest on a loan was a mortal sin. Then Leo, a member of the De Medici banking family, overturned the ancient teaching in order “to help the poor.” Protestants quickly followed suit. How’s it going so far?

    Dante, who fled Florence to escape the De Medici, linked charging interest on a loan (usury) with sexual perversion (sodomy) in his masterwork The Inferno.

    Dante was right. People today are drowning in debt but also are beset by more sexual perversions than there are letters in the alphabet.

    • Thanks: Insouciant
  11. Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:

    The Bible has one meaning. It is coded and highly complex.

    Recent events are a good key to assist in clarification.

    Knowledge of other ancient Eurasian religions and myths can help, as there are parallel stories that reveal meaning and predict outcomes.

    However, all meaning is also contained within the Bible.

    Regardless, you either know what it means or you don’t. It isn’t open to interpretation. It’s open to guessing, but not authoritative interpretation.

    Anyone stating otherwise is a false teacher. That is not open to debate.

  12. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Christianity is not pro-Black.

    I don’t disagree that it is a cult, along with its associate religions.

    Indeed, we are now strapped into the workings of this world-encompassing cult ritual until its end.

    Whether the cult describes and has facilitated human development from the beginning, or it is a parasitical and fatal cancer, what it does its describe and is responsible for the current demographic structure and trajectory of human civilization.

    Whether or not the ritual has always been a part of human development and civilization, or is an aberrant artifact of copper age human psychopathy, is open for debate.

    It will be impossible to know until this is over.

    Which means that, in essence, at the moment it doesn’t matter if the cult is good or evil. We are strapped in for the ride over the cliff.

    Arguably everything that you are seeing now is that cult ritual. Everyone has a part to play, no exceptions.

    But the cult isn’t pro-Black. it is intentionally deceptive. It is intentionally and deeply coded. It is intentionally dualistic. it is a test. It does describe the current reality and what is expected. It isn’t Jewish in that Jews are not controlling it from both sides. Though, they do represent one of the two majors actors in the cult.

    The Jewish role is described both openly and in code, in the Bible. They are favored by one of the Gods in the Bible, which is for whom they speak and speak of, but not by the Other. Though they also speak of the Other.

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation. Begin looking for parallel identities, often coded with references to animals, farming, or animal husbandry, and keep your mind working as to what the confusing references (people, animals, insects, smoke, clothing, etc) could mean when decoded. Knowing how the rabbis decode such language will help.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  13. @American Citizen 2.0

    Just because you were fucked in the head as a youngster… but thanks for your advice on abandoning all Christianity: we’ll still have “Whiteness” to cling onto against the savage onslaught.

    • Replies: @American Citizen 2.0
  14. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Citizen 2.0

    I guess I quit being a Christian as an adult because I ended up feeling like I was being manipulated into serving other people’s, wealthy people’s, ends with no real benefit to myself other than a sense of belonging.

    That manipulation may have been true, but I think that the primary issue with your disconnect is that you misunderstand Christianity. Which is not a personal flaw of yours.

    Most professed Christians misunderstand it when they make a concerted effort to understand it at all. Even and perhaps especially literalists. It is easily misunderstood because its meanings are occluded. The Bible is literal in a manner of speaking, but the literal story is encoded in symbol.

    This should not be a surprise given Judaism’s well-known esoterism, as well as the practically indecipherable nature of many of Christianity’s precepts.

    To wit, I have never read anyone explain in plain and compelling (not to mention accurate) language why it is necessary for Christ to manifest on Earth and to die for our sins or why it is necessary to eat his body and drink his blood.

    We are expected simply to accept these actions as logical acts of our God. In reality, to do so makes no sense beyond a commitment to blind faith that is, in the end, necessary for virtually all long-term Christians due to the hidden meanings.

    Yet, there are concrete theological reasons for both of these acts, which are given in the Bible (but not stated to be such). The meanings of these acts are occluded, likely so that they survive Christianity’s enemies as the eternal conflict is accelerated according to the stated events.

    Then there is highly fantastical nature of the Genesis stories that form Christianity’s foundation. The meanings are occluded under talk of a Garden, a couple of Trees, a God, a Serpent, a Temptation, a Fall, and finally a murder.

    Understanding what these symbolically occluded events actually mean is essential to understanding Christianity’s meanings and sacraments. Because Christianity’s meanings primarily deal with these first and therefore most essential events.

    The most important themes repeat throughout the Bible.

    All of it matters to Christianity’s meanings, and none of it is explained. The meanings are kept hidden until, as Christ states, the apocalypse (literally “the uncovering”).

    Judaism and Christianity’s stories are the combined story of the political events of a cyclical civilizational cycle, but possibly also more.

    It may be the tale (and method) of the engineered development of the human race: similar to how one breeds show dogs, race horses, or, in more biblical terminology, fruit / crops.

    In other words, the nature of the Semitic religions is primarily political rather than spiritual.

    Which is why these religions specialize in the distasteful sects that you mention, instead of buddhist style Monastaries.

    Like its antithetical compliment Judaism, Christianity is more akin to a dictation of past and future political reality and a set of instructions for how to survive its enactment rather than a religion in the sense that the spiritual development of buddhism is a religion.

    For Christians, there is an aspect of the cultivation of the spirit. And if one remains blindly committed then it is true that is all one would need to realize Christ’s promises.

    Yet, the primary themes are not spiritiual development methods. Many themes are counter-intuitive morality instructions. However, mostly, in both the Tanakh and the New Testament ,the themes are a narrative progression of a hero’s journey. First Israel and one if its tribes, the Jews, and later for Christ.

    Those are the narratives of the conflict that is to be the world’s fate, or its cycle.

    Whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant as to whether or not it exists or will continue to happen as stated.

    It believes in you, whether it is a highly successful psychopathic cult that has somehow survived to dominate in the 21st century and entrap us in a worldwide cultic ritual that is stated to end in a mass human sacrifice and “harvest” of the best “fruit” or “wheat”.

    Or whether it is the core explanation of human existence, its methods are the probable cause of human existence, and its explanation and methods are the cause of civilization.

    Whatever it is, it is here and in control. One can’t opt out like one can for a spiritual development practice. By trying not to play a role, you are playing a role. Its’ narrative and mechanisms are comprehensive in that manner.

    I don’t believe that Jesus was God in any sense.

    That would depend on who you are according to how the Bible maps your specific existence onto the roles encoded in the Bible.

    There are two essential actors in the Bible. Everyone is mapped to one. Christ represents one of them, but he also has other identities in the Bible. If you are mapped to Christ’s people, then he is your God as what he represents is your origin and continuity. He represents your template. His defeat represents yours. His death represents your death. His resurrection represents yours. His avenging return represents your revenge. His victory represents yours, in every possible way. Which would be a deeper way to explain the Judeo-Christian concept of God.

    Naturally, your enemies will hate your God and want the worst for him – including death. Which means that they want the worst for you. Christ’s victory means their defeat and death and that of their god.

    I don’t believe that Israel was the chosen nation.

    For lack of space I’ll keep this vague: that depends both on which God is choosing which portion of Israel. Both portions of Israel are chosen, according to the dual-actor concept that I prior mentioned, but I will offer that the Bi-Ble is a story about more than one God. How many Gods are in the Garden? Who descends from them?

    It all just seemed like a way of manipulating lonely, confused, tired people who lived miserable lives of toil in small towns, a kind of predatory exploitation of their need to belong.

    It can be. But its also the likely core story of civilization as well as an encoded document of the mechanisms behind it.

    So, now I meditate instead. Not that I am a buddhist or anything, because that all seems like malarky too, but the mere act of meditating has been practiced for thousands of years all over the world by people in all kinds of circumstances. I get a sense of connection and belonging from being a part of that lineage and that’s good enough for me.

    There is nothing wrong with meditating. But you are mostly doing that whenever you are engaged in a task but thinking about something else.

    This Christianity nonsense has served it function and should be abandoned.

    Specifically, Christianity is both the method and the story of the release of the world from the evil force in the world. Though, even if one didn’t believe that – what is true is that Christianity explains the inescapable future. There is no way to abandon it. It will continue to play out whether or not you believe in it.

    We won the cold war. We don’t need an army of fanatical zealots willing to die for god and country anymore.

    Since when are the National Guard, the Reserves, or their civilian equivalents armies of “fanatical zealots” and not a righteous force of preservation against threats, for example, such as against the masses of revolutionary communists who are rioting in every major American city with backing of local governments and corporate America?

    There is no more cold war because the Soviets have always been here biding their time, and are now ready to act on American soil. But this is also covered in the Bible. Conceive of who gives them their power, and then find this described in Revelation.

    • Replies: @American Citizen 2.0
  15. Rahan says:

    A church is supposed to be “old-fashioned” this is its point. It acts as a spine connecting the past to the future. Fashions change, mores change, but the church remains an unchanging anchor to eternity, to which people flock for guidance and consolation when the worldly flux hurts them too deeply.

    The moment a church begins to follow current fashion, it has stopped being a church, and has instead become a “spiritual club” which might as well throw in yoga lessons and aroma therapy. When it begins to follow political fashion, it has sunk even below the spiritual club level and has become a player in the games of the wicked.

    This is what has happened to Catholicism (barring Poland for now), this is what is happening to western Protestantism, this is what GloboHomo will try to do to Orthodox Christianity, probably by infiltrating the Ukrainian branches.

    The church is a conduit between the world of mortals and God. It unites the fleeting “today” to eternity. If it sides with “today” and starts “updating” the “old-fashioned” stuff aggressively—it is not a church. It no longer connects man with God, it no longer connects today with eternity, it is no longer a place out of time where men and women can feel the presence of the divine.

  16. American Citizen 2.0 says:

    I don’t usually read the Anon comments but in this case, I think yours was a good one with lots of ideas worth thinking about. I appreciate the detailed discussion.

    As for why God appeared as Jesus in real life as a part of history, the bible does explain that fairly clearly. There are two realms: heaven and earth. Man, because of the soul, unites those two realms. But when people sin, they end up living in the earthly realm separated from God. Everyone sins. So, Jesus came here and reunited the two realms by giving himself as a sacrifice so that now we can live with God again in heaven. He couldn’t just show up out of the blue born anywhere because nobody would have known what the point of the sacrifice is/was, which is why God made a covenant with Abraham and unfolded the story in history by having him be born in a specific time and place to people who understood the nature of God’s plan to reconcile heaven and earth and who understood what sin is.

    Anyway that’s how it was explained to me when I was young.

  17. American Citizen 2.0 says:

    Do you think that kind of language and rage would attract anyone to Christianity or whiteness?

    I wouldn’t say I was “fucked in the head”. The people I went to Church with as a kid had a sincere belief in 1st Century Christianity and they had traditions that were founded on centuries of research and Biblical scholarship.

    But anyway, your comment is repulsive. The fact that you would reply to a sincere comment about faith in such a repulsive way speaks volumes. Disgusting man. Just disgusting.

    I will leave it at that.

  18. Zimriel says:

    I saw it years ago with the Intelligent Design movement. Very quick to say Darwin waz reel raciss, they were.
    They opened the door to this.

  19. Svevlad says:

    That’s what you get for adopting the masoretic text and generally being cringe.

    There’s a reason why it’s called the Orthodox Church. The donation of Constantine is fake, and basically every Pope was cringe anyway too.

    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. How nice that Allan is now on UR! He offers up a much more red-pilled view on Mexico than Fred Reed. Also, unlike Reed, he likes the United States. Hopefully all of his writings will be available from now on.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  21. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    The funny thing about it is that many of the people who are reading this will be nodding their head in anger, and then, the very same day, will navigate to another thread where they tell us we have to fight atheism, or else everyone will believe in wokeness instead.

  22. @Bragadocious

    Thank you, Bragaodcious. I was also glad to see an Allan Wall article here. Mr. Unz has argued agains the opinions of most of the VDare writers quite often, so I’m really amazed to see many of the main writers from that site having space here (and one can comment!)

    I have also compared Mr. Wall, a guy who has lived in Mexico for along period, to Mr. Reed, doing that in a number of the Fred Reed threads when he’d get just plain stupid on the immigration issues. If I can find it, I’ll give my impression of Fred Reed wrt immigration from south o’ the border. OK, found it, from this Peak Stupidity post – One more dig at Senor Fredrico Reed :

    [Fred Reed mode] America is decaying. There is no unified American culture anymore. There are lots of people mixed together from all over the world. There are bad ignorant Americans that are trying to prevent people from coming in from all over the world. Things don’t work well anymore. The new foreigners are better than those ignorant foreigner-hating Americans at working. America has changed for the worse from back when I was a kid when it was 90% white.

    Trump is a clown. The TV news that I watch all day is full of people criticizing the President for everything and making fun of him. TV sucks. Americans should see how bad their country is on the TV. Trump wants a wall built. Bad ignorant Americans want a border barrier built. Walls don’t work. Americans just don’t want we Mexicans to assimilate and exchange bodily fluids with them. Mexicans don’t want to assimilate and be part of the crass, new, sick American culture that I watch on TV. Mexican culture is better and we have great engineering schools and gated communities. Mexico is better, so Mexicans don’t want to go to America. There is no need for a wall, but they don’t work anyway. Bodily fluids! [/Fred Reed mode]

    That’s my take. Mr. Wall, if you are reading, you have been the most civil, unbiased, and informative writer I have read anything from regarding the complete political situation between America and Mexico. I’ve read your columns on VDare since well before you changed the title from “Memo from Mexico”. Thank you for all the great writing!

  23. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Which means either go Orthodox, or join those pathetic paganism larpers, lol

    We don’t need to “join” anything. There is no God, but if there was, A. A. Lewis would be his prophet.

  24. dvorak says:

    Soros Baptist Convention is led by homo-hipsters and goddess-worshipers.

  25. Howie says:

    Why the Baptist leadership’s radical shift left?

    Apart from the desperate virtue-signalling by the leadership offered by the author, may I suggest another reason is the “the long march through the institutions”, in this case educative ones, coming to fruition. The indoctrinated are continually coming of age.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  26. Howie says:

    Why the Baptist leadership’s radical shift left?

    Apart from the desperate virtue-signalling by the leadership, as offered by the author, may I suggest another reason is “the long march through the institutions”, in this case educative ones, coming to fruition.

    The indoctrinated are continually coming of age.

  27. @Anon

    Start with Genesis. The most pertinent information is within the first few chapters. Then read Revelation.

    Like many people, you are using a very broad brush, and miss context.
    It is true that the early RC Church was somewhat lenient toward Jews, however, they believed Jews would eventually convert. The Reformation was as much a financial rift as a theological rift. The Holy Roman Empire controlled trade, and the Northern German Princes weren’t happy about that. Luther gave them the excuse. In the beginning, Luther maintained the RC belief that Jews would eventually convert. He regretted including the Old Testament in his Bible translation, as his doctrine was that the Old Testament was irrelevant. It’s relevance ended when the New Testament was created. That is why this toy is Auntie Shem-itic.

    After reading the Talmud, Luther wrote “On The Jews and Their Lies”, which, of course, is Auntie Shem-itic. I was raised a Lutheran before the late 60s split. There was no praise of Jews in that doctrine, unlike the Baptists and other “Protestant” sects, and the Old Testament was only there for reference of how the Jews f’ed up their side of the bargain and what not to do. They aren’t chosen, Christians are.
    There is no question that the Christian Churches have been infiltrated, and much more successfully in the (((West))) than the East, but let’s keep things in perspective.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  28. @Curmudgeon

    before the late 60s split.

    Sorry! Late 50s split.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  29. @Curmudgeon

    Please explain the split, for us non-Lutherans of low IQ. The Lutheran Church fell apart in the 50s? What happened?

  30. There were a number of issues within, and at the time, like most kids, I was not really paying attention. My best recollection was that there was a branch that wanted to go whole hog evangelical, and another branch that went backwards. As best I can remember, after all was said and done, my church branch turned Sunday service into a Mass, and the minister sang it. That would have been a huge no-no in the old days, when it would have been more like United than Baptist. I do recall the geezer that was the minister for the catechism not being critical of other denominations per se (even RCs) rather explaining how they were different. I stopped attending, as the message, for all intents and purposes, was that what was in place before was wrong.
    Apparently, the Evangelicals have had more recent problems of their own over homosexuals. Whodda thunk it.

Current Commenter

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone

 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments have been licensed to The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Commenting Disabled While in Translation Mode
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Allan Wall Comments via RSS
How America was neoconned into World War IV
Analyzing the History of a Controversial Movement
Shouldn't they recuse themselves when dealing with the Middle East?
The Shaping Event of Our Modern World
The Surprising Elements of Talmudic Judaism