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Believe it or not, as Ripley used to say, Communist theoretician Karl Marx anticipated a key economic argument against mass immigration that VDARE.com has made since its beginning: Unfettered immigration depresses wages for host-nation workers. That Marx was wrong in his overall critique of capitalism, most notably his prediction that it was doomed, did not make him wrong on everything. On immigration, Marx was on the right side of the debate, if not necessarily for the right reasons. Oddly, America’s resurgent Communists don’t seem to have noticed.

Consider a letter of 1870 to Sigfrid Meyer and August Vogt, German friends in the United States. Citing the effects of large-scale Irish immigration upon England, Marx explained the destabilizing effect of cheap immigrant labor: “Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labor market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class,” the primordial Prussian Communist wrote [Marx to Sigfrid Meyer and August Vogt, Marxists.org, April 9, 1870].

That isn’t all he wrote on the subject, but that little gem suggests that Marx understood at least something about supply and demand, and wages, labor, and immigration. Mass immigration depressed 19th-century British wages j ust as it depresses American wages today.

A little history:

During the second half of the 19th century, the “Irish question” weighed heavily on English minds. Many Irish boarded ships for the short trip to England. Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, which had open borders for all its subjects. Even after 1921, residents of the “Irish Free State” did not need a passport or visa to enter the U.K.

Irish began migrating to England in the Middle Ages, but what began as a trickle became a flood during and after the Great Famine of 1845-52. Nor did they go to England for “a better life,” as the Treason Lobby cliché goes these days. Getting to the Sceptr’d Isle was a matter of life and death. The Irish depended for food almost entirely on the potato, but the blight had struck. Irish farmers couldn’t increase output on their tiny plots of land, and couldn’t do anything about it because of the entrenched system of British absentee ownership. Disaster was inevitable. Of roughly 8.25 million people living in Ireland in 1845, close to a million starved to death and another 2 million emigrated during the next several years. Most emigration occurred within Great Britain, with 1.52 million Irish migrating to England, Scotland and Wales between 1850 and 1888.

The Irish wanted the jobs available in London, Liverpool, Manchester and other cities, and employers wanted something else: cheap labor. More than their English counterparts, Irish laborers accepted minimal wages and brutal workplace conditions. Exploiting that desperation, factory owners had every incentive to treat Irish and English workers as expendable. After all, if the flood of Irish workers would accept a pittance to get a job, English workers would accept a pittance to keep a job.

Of course, workers could organize to improve their lot. To head that off, many employers hired the least organizable employees, especially from among the Irish: women and children. Writing in 1888, Annie Besant, a muckraking English reformer, noted the conditions for girls and women at the Bryant and May match factory in London’s East End: 14-hour work days, weekly wages of 4 to 8 shillings, excessive fines for petty offenses, and extreme health risks [Women and work in the 19th century, StrikingWomen.org].

Work began at 6:30 a.m. in the summer and 8 a.m. in the winter. The women worked until 6 p.m., with 30 minutes for breakfast and one hour for dinner. “A typical case is that of a girl of 16, a piece-worker; she earns 4s a week,” Besant wrote:

Out of the earnings, 2s is paid for the rent of one room; the child lives on only bread-and-butter and tea, alike for breakfast and dinner, but related with dancing eyes that once a month she went to a meal where “you get coffee, and bread and butter, and jam, and marmalade, and lots of it.” … The splendid salary of 4s is subject to deductions in the shape of fines; if the feet are dirty, or the ground under the bench is left untidy, a fine of 3d is inflicted.

[White slavery in London, The Link, June 23, 1888]

A month later, about 200 workers went on strike after three were fired for speaking to Besant. Most of the strikers were women with Irish surnames who lived near each other [The Match Workers Strike Fund Register, UnionHistory.info].

Remarkably, the strike succeeded. After three weeks, the employer met their demands, and the workers formed a match workers union.

Still, the Irish apparently accepted their lot in life. Echoing Marx, his collaborator Friedrich Engels described the appalling Irish slums of Manchester, where he lived from 1842 to 44. Engels’ wealthy father owned a textile factory.

“The Irishmen who migrate for four pence to England on the deck of a steamship on which they are often packed like cattle, insinuate themselves everywhere,” the coauthor of the Communist Manifesto wrote.

The worst dwellings are good enough for them; their clothing causes them little troubles, so long as it holds together by a single thread; shoes they know not; their food consists of potatoes and potatoes only; whatever they earn beyond these needs is usually spent upon drink. What does such a race want with high wages? The worst quarters of all the large towns are inhabited by Irishmen. Whenever a district is distinguished for especial filth and especial ruinousness, the explorer may safely count upon meeting chiefly those Celtic faces which one recognizes at first glance as different from the Saxon physiognomy of the native, and the singing, aspirate brogue which the true Irishman never loses.

[The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844]

But the Irish were stuck. Conditions were bad in England, but worse back home. Indeed, in 1836, almost a decade before the initial publication of Engels’ book and the start of Ireland’s Great Famine, the Royal Commission on the Condition of the Poorer Classes in Ireland explained the migration.:

Nothing seems more natural than that labourers should go from places where they are not wanted and wages are low, to places where they are wanted and wages are high. [Consequently] the emigration from Ireland to England and Scotland is of a very remarkable character, and is perhaps nearly unparalleled in the history of the world. … The kind of work at which they are employed is usually of the roughest, coarsest, and most repulsive description, and requiring the least skill and practice.

[Report into the State of the Irish Poor in Great Britain].

Put simply, English employers used the Irish to lower wages, as the commission noted. Textile master John Potter “criticized their submission to lower living standards,” and said “they seem as content with 9s or 10s a week, as an Englishman would with 14s or 16s.”

But back to Marx, who, again, noted that mass immigration lowers wages. “Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarianism,” Marx wrote to Meyer and Vogt.

It was a condition, he thought, that would hasten the revolution because of immigration’s effect on the little guy: “The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself.”

Marx continued:

He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.

This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organization. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.

Sound familiar? Ireland was to England in 1850, as Mexico and Central America are to the United States in 2021. The Irish did the jobs the English wouldn’t do! The parallels are clear:

  • Open Borders;
  • cheap foreign labor that lowers wages;
  • Government support for employers of low-wage labor;
  • and frustration among the host country’s low-paid workers.

Yet despite the parallels, differences abound:

  1. Marx believed Irish nationalism would end the exploitation of Irish labor. “After studying the Irish question for many years,” he wrote, “I have come to the conclusion that the decisive blow against the English ruling classes (and it will be decisive for the workers’ movement all over the world) cannot be delivered in England but only in Ireland.
    A half-century later, of course, Ireland did win independence from England. Neither country went Communist. Would Marx say the same thing today about Mexico, which won its independence from Spain in 1821? Not likely.
  2. Even had the English restricted immigration, the humanitarian case for admitting the Irish was compelling. The Potato Blight caused a famine. That is not the case in Mexico or Central America. Few are actually starving, as one can surmise from the ponderous girth of many immigrants. If they die prematurely, the cause is likely to be mayhem and murder linked to drug-trafficking.
  3. Despite inevitable economic and cultural antagonisms, the Irish were British subjects who could and did assimilate. If nothing else, they spoke the same language (mostly) and were ethnically close. They were also culturally close. Ireland was “deeply Victorian” [Victoria’s Ireland: Britishness and Irishness, 1837-1901, HistoryIreland.com]. By contrast, the Historic American Nation and the recent Amerindian/dark Mestizo arrivals are nothing alike. Time Magazine’s wet dream of a Café au lait “Amexica” is just that: a dream. Language alone impedes assimilation of those immigrants, thanks to that expensive and politicized contrivance called “bilingual education.”
  4. Unlike England 150 years ago, the United States has constructed a large welfare state that shifts the cost of labor from employers to taxpayers. The 19th-century Irish were not public charges, unlike a large portion of Hispanic immigrants here, as economists George Borjas of Harvard and Steve Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies have shown. Ideally, employers would cover employee expenses through better wages and benefits. Yet with immigration at current levels, they have little incentive to do so.

So what of the contemporary Left and its virulent if not unhinged opposition to immigration control? Leftists rightly call out employers for exploiting immigrant labor, although very often, immigrant workers are at the mercy of business owners either from the same country or whose ancestors were. Many arrived or were transported here illegally. Plus the heavy reliance by American employers on the H-2B and other nonagricultural entry-level work visas raises the likelihood that even the immigrants here legally are often at their mercy.

It is hardly a coincidence that low-wage sweatshops are most prevalent in urban centers with large populations of first-generation Asians and Hispanics. During April-July 2016, the U.S. Department of Labor investigated 77 garment operations in Los Angeles. Workers there were paid on average \$7 an hour—and often a good deal less—and worked 10 hours a day. Retailers such as Forever 21, Marshalls, Ross, and TJ Maxx enjoyed the benefits. At the time, workers who produced clothing for Forever 21 alone had filed hundreds of back-pay claims since 2007. “The whole problem devolved from the retailer,” noted David Weil, former head of the Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division. “They force the production costs to as low as they want because of their power in the supply chain, with the result ultimately the workers bearing the whole cost and risk of the system” [Behind a \$13 shirt, a \$6-an-hour worker, by Natalie Kitroeff and Victoria Kim, Los Angeles Times, August 31, 2017].

“Building The Wall” and otherwise cracking down on illegal immigration, by the way, will go only so far in combating such labor exploitation. Studies on human trafficking by the Urban Institute and the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit group Polaris reveal that exploited immigrant workers typically arrive here legally with temporary visas, then work illegally, only to be threatened with firing if they get too uppity with the boss about working conditions [Understanding the Organization, Operation, and Victimization Process of Labor Trafficking in the United States, by Colleen Owens, et al, October 21, 2014].

Yet the Left, which so concerns itself with immigration and labor exploitation, thwarted President Trump’s modest efforts to protect American workers with immigration controls at almost every turn. Where is the traditional patriotic constituency within the egalitarian Left to resist not only the exploitation of wage-lowering immigrant workers, but also lobby on behalf of American workers whom mass immigration harms?

Answer: Nowhere. Now that The Great Replacement is underway, the Left, almost exclusively focused on race, feels no obligation for those workers because most of them are white.

Left-wing unions consistently, and suicidally, support Democrats for elected office against the wishes and best interests of their members. Cornell University labor economist Vernon Briggs has noted that union leaders from the 1920s through the 1980s opposed large-scale immigration as undercutting their collective bargaining power. [Immigration Policy and Low Wage Workers: The Influence of American Unionism, by Vernon M. Briggs Jr., CIS.org, October 30, 2003]. But worried about sagging membership, which diminishes collective bargaining power, they now support mass immigration and Amnesty for illegals to replenish the ranks.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, once seemed an exception to the new rule that Leftists must support Open Borders. “It does not make a lot of sense to me to bring hundreds of thousands of those workers into this country to work for minimum wage and compete with American kids,” he said of the 2013’s Gang of Eight Amnesty. Open borders, he said, “was a Koch brothers proposal.” This apparent heresy even won him praise among some Republicans.

But predictably, Sanders reverted to type for his initial presidential campaign. “It is time to bring our neighbors out of the shadows,” he tweeted in June 2015. “It is time to give them legal status.” When he ran again four years later, he was another Open Borders cliché machine.

The cognitive dissonance of the American Left on immigration and the American worker is remarkable. On the one hand, the Left demands Open Borders to create the ethnic kaleidoscope supposedly envisioned by the Founders. On the other, they demand a \$15-per-hour federal minimum wage and coerced union membership.

Then again, the Left had apoplexy when middle-American workers backed Donald Trump for president because they believed, as Trump said, that mass immigration lowers wages and threatens their jobs!

A cross-ideological coalition to support an immigration moratorium is desperately needed. Increasingly resentful taxpayers and American workers, and not just whites, pay the tab for immigration. Along with reading Marx on immigration, contemporary Leftists should consider Philip Cafaro’s recent book, How Many Is Too Many?: The Progressive Argument for Reducing Immigration into the United States.

Right and Left inevitably will disagree on most things, and often ferociously. But they can stand together on the principle that governments should not permit the wage-crushing exploitation of foreign labor.

Even Marx understood that.

Carl F. Horowitz [Email him] is project director for National Legal and Policy Center, a Falls Church, Va.-based nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting ethics and accountability in American public life. He has a Ph.D. in urban planning and public policy, and has taught in the urban and regional planning program at Virginia Polytechnic Institute.

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  1. Exactly. Karl Marx, Bernie Sanders, Cesar Chavez, foam-at-the-mouth conservatives all, oppose immigration because it lowers wages and threatens jobs.

    I’m so glad to see the discussion of class issues on here. Because they are all that matters. Race issues are bunk, whether from the pro- or anti- side, doesn’t matter, because race is an elite, propaganda diversion from the only thing that matters–class, money, the elusive spondulics.

    PS Immigration hurts native-born blacks and Hispanics worst of all. Would that they listened to Adolph Reed, Jr. rather than their friendly neighborhood “Leader”s.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Disagree: Briggs, CSFurious
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  2. raga10 says:

    Because there is no such thing as resurgent communists in America. What you call “Leftist” should be properly called, at most, Liberal – meaning that they are “progressive” on social issues but conservative economically (that is, they fundamentally don’t oppose capitalism. Even Bernie Sanders is at best a social democrat rather than a socialist but sadly that’s a distinction lost on most of the public).

    When BILLIONAIRES can be called “leftist” and “communists” you know these labels lost all meaning. Or at least you would know if you weren’t part of the problem, going around parroting such nonsense.

    Socialist labour movements historically have often been anti-immigration for that reason precisely: they could see that ready supply of cheap labour does nothing to improve workers’ bargaining position.

    … and yes, Marx was right. Pretty much about everything.

    • Disagree: Raches
    • Troll: The Griffins
  3. Years ago I often used to amuse myself on internet forums by pointing out Marx’s comments on immigration to woke British lefties. I got the impression by their responses that it often took them by surprise and left them somewhat flustered. It could also be followed up by reminding them of Scottish miner’s hostility to ‘Polish’ immigrants in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century and also by pointing out that British historical lefty hero, Manny Shinwell organised a Seaman’s union which not only excluded black sailors but promoted hostility to them.

    I see myself as an old school Labour type, which doesn’t seem to exist anymore. I detest the modern woke left and enjoyed winding them up.

    Despite inevitable economic and cultural antagonisms, the Irish were British subjects who could and did assimilate.

    A bit off topic but IMHO the above is mostly true in England and Wales but less so in Scotland which to this day finds expression in such things as the passionate and from time to time blatantly sectarian nature of Celtic v Glasgow Rangers soccer clashes.

    I have wondered why Scotland is different to England and Wales in this respect. Both Manchester (Manchester United, Manchester City) and Liverpool (Liverpool FC, Everton FC) had Catholic (Irish) soccer teams and Protestant (English) soccer teams, but the history of that seems to have gone down the memory hole, unlike in Scotland.

    A Scot I put the question to of why parts of Scotland have this lingering sectarianism claimed it was because Glasgow had proportionally far higher number of Irish immigrants than cities in England and Wales. I never bothered to look into this, but the proportionately higher number of Irish immigrants to Scotland argument seems unconvincing to me. I think there might be something in the seeming hostility of Scottish Presbyterian religion to Catholicism of most of the Irish together with the close cultural and religious connections to the Protestants of Northern Ireland, a number of whom call themselves Ulster Scots. The English and Welsh were Anglican or non-conformist which may have been less hostile to Catholicism. But I don’t know. Its one of those curious cultural differences between the various nations of the British Isles that mostly don’t amount to much at all.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/hero-shinwell-incited-racist-clydeside-mob-2443339
    http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/467.html

    • Agree: James N. Kennett
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  4. Please dont confuse Socialists with the “left”. For instance saying a “left” union supports the Democrats demonstrates just how vacuous this so-called “left” is.
    Unfortunately, many socialists believe they can square the circle — allowing unrestricted immigration, but somehow obtaining things like a \$15 minimum. Perhaps it is possible — however, I wont be betting on it.
    Nor do they often recognise that a “tower of babel” approach to society is not an ideal means of fashioning the unity of working people.
    But to be fair, many socialists have understood that “wokism” is the Elites deliberate & intentional means of atomising workers. See, for example the WSWS’s determined attacks on the NYT’s ridiculous & toxic “1619” campaign.

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    , @Curmudgeon
  5. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Why won’t America’s resurgent communists admit it? Because they’re not really communists at all but are an instrument of the rich ruling class. They’ve substituted identity politics for Marxist class analysis. Billionaires can be touted as people’s champions by mandating non-binary bathrooms at their properties. It’s a bait and switch scam. Behind all this you’ll probably find the billionaire-corporate class pushing all this from behind the scenes, the critiques of them being toothless while enacting policies inimical to the vast majority of Americans.

  6. Marx was a brilliant economist, though not the world’s greatest political theoretician. In his crotchety old age he delighted in telling young acolytes, “I am not a Marxist!”

    There is ample precedent in our history of the use of immigration as a political weapon. Mass immigration of non-English speaking people was allowed for the first time in the corrupt Gilded Era that followed the Civil War because the victorious northern capitalists needed vast supplies of cheap, easily controllable labor. The struggling American labor movement got a huge boost from wartime manpower shortages, enabling workers to put muscle behind their long-ignored demands for fair pay and safe working conditions. Having just won a costly war that abolished the most grotesque form of exploitation of labor, newly organizing, aggressively militant American workers would no longer do hard manual and industrial labor for pittance wages. And no more could four million ex-slaves be compelled to work without getting paid at all. The grim, fortress-like armories that sprang up in every American city in the postwar era are reminders to this day of just how terrified our rulers were of class war – one which we the people would perhaps have had a chance of winning, had it been fought by battle hardened veterans of the War for the Union – and not undermined by millions of foreign workers imported to break the back of the American labor movement.

    Incidentally, the Statue of Liberty’s association with Emma Lazarus’ ode to immigration has eclipsed the original meaning of the great monument. French sculptor Bartholdi named his creation “Goddess Liberty Enlightening the World.” He conceived the idea for the statue on July Fourth, 1865, to commemorate the suppression of the slaveholder insurrection two months earlier. Bartholdi proposed to give the statue to the people of America as an enduring monument to their successful struggle to preserve the world’s lone experiment in self-government. Lazarus’ poem was added two generations later in 1903. Americans of 1865 understood it was their responsibility to strengthen the free institutions of their republic as an example to the world, not to function as an asylum for its poor and downtrodden. They challenged the world’s peoples to fight for free government in their own homelands, not to relocate to ours.

    You have only to look at the powerful photographs taken by Jacob Riis, of desperately poor souls clad in filthy rags, crammed into disease-ridden tenements, to understand how America really regarded its newest arrivals. WASP America had not the slightest interest in becoming a multiethnic society. Socialist Lazarus’ ideal was no more than wishful thinking.

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  7. Wielgus says:

    Marx’s daughter Jenny was photographed with her father, wearing a black cross to commemorate the Polish 1863 uprising, and with a green ribbon attached to it to commemorate the Irish Fenian martyrs. Engels’ mistress was Irish. Neither Marx nor Engels were unsympathetic to Irish causes, they merely rejected mass immigration and were aware of its use as a weapon against trade unionism.

  8. Wielgus says:
    @animalogic

    Well, that is when the WSWS takes time off from screaming with terror about Covid. If you believe the WSWS, the mass media have ignored Covid over the past year and a half. Really? The site is also a proponent of zero Covid, presumably to be achieved by the forever lockdown.

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  9. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Marx Got It Right: Mass Immigration Wrecks Wages. Why Won’t America’s Resurgent Communists Admit It?

    Because their political fortune 100% depends on not admitting it. That’s all there is there, no mystery.

  10. @raga10

    When BILLIONAIRES can be called “leftist” and “communists” you know these labels lost all meaning.

    … and yes, Marx was right. Pretty much about everything.

    It is necessary to address these in reverse order. Marx stole the ideas of his socialist/mutualist contemporary critics, who detested his “big government” ideology. Marx was not only related to the Rothschilds, but employed by them.
    https://theirishsentinel.com/2020/06/01/historians-confirm-karl-marx-was-employed-by-the-rothschilds/
    Bakunin’s quote on central banks goes further “and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, speculating with the Labour of the people, will be found. ”
    Labels mean what people want them to mean, and in “communist” it is all in how you define the commune. The left – right paradigm lost meaning decades ago.

    • Replies: @raga10
  11. @animalogic

    Please dont confuse Socialists with the “left”.

    I think you mean “Please don’t confuse the globalists calling themselves socialists with what the left used to be.”

  12. To address the question asked by the title of the article, it’s simple. Like true communists, they don’t really give a rats ass about wages. They care about power. When a dumb head Hollywood movie star visits some dictator, he doesn’t imagine being a peon in that country. He imagines being a commissar in charge over the peons.

    • Agree: Rich
  13. A123 says: • Website

    Bernie Sanders originally questioned H1B visas, and then flipped.

    Check out his original position: (1)

    “Last year, the top 10 employers of H-1B guest workers were all offshore outsourcing companies,” Sanders said in a Senate speech in 2013. “These firms are responsible for shipping large numbers of American information technology jobs to India and other countries.”

    The points raised by Sanders echo those made by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), who chairs the Senate’s Immigration subcommittee. In fact, Sanders was one of 10 senators who signed a recent letter by Sessions and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) to several federal departments seeking an investigation into H-1B use.

    The party alignment has permanently reversed:
        — MAGA/GOP = Workers Party
        — SJW/DNC = Wall Street Party

    If you want proof of that, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has gone DNC: (2)

    Every former administration took massive payments from the CoC and allowed the Chamber to write trade agreements language for decades. The CoC business model was to take payments from Wall Street multinationals and then write the agreements to their benefit.

    President Trump knew about the CoC business model; that’s why he never allowed them a seat at the ‘America First’ table. … the U.S. Chamber dropped their pretense and admitted they were now supporting democrats because the CoC effort can only succeed by destroying Main St.

    The CoC was never a “right wing organization”, nor was it a “republican organization”; it was always a multinational globalist organization structured to support Wall Street and destroy Main Street. It was always a feature, not a flaw…. but no-one would believe it.

    One has to work very hard at immoral behaviour to be More Evil than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) From 2015 — https://www.computerworld.com/article/2916827/bernie-sanders-h-1b-skeptic.html

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/28/the-bloom-is-off-the-ruse-tom-donohue-and-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-announce-support-for-far-left-democrats-in-2020/

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  14. raga10 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The left – right paradigm lost meaning decades ago.

    Yes, it has. I just don’t agree with the idea it just sort of happened, or that it became irrelevant. The meaning was obscured deliberately precisely to render the left impotent – gutting the core meaning of “leftism” was a win for the ruling class. Marxism with “cultural identity” replacing “class struggle” as the core tenet is like The Beatles but with Beyonce replacing John Lennon.

    Yet the good thing is that ideas, unlike people, can be resurrected.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  15. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Hopefully the US’s (((rulers))) starts a war with China. The glorious result would be that the disgusting United States and Canada would be wiped from the face of this earth. There’s no doubt that if such a conflict should start Russia would be allied with China and that she’d send an adequate number of nukes to cleanse the cesspit that the current United Kingdom is.

    (Think the dementia laden pederast in the White House is the worst white Christian leader on the planet? Check out the buffoon-clown sociopath currently in No 10 Downing St. He brought a slut he picked up from the sidewalk into Downing St with him, and this debauched air-headed whore regularly dictates what policy Johnson pursues and whom he appoints to government positions. The slutwhore has just had Johnson undertake a Cabinet reshuffle. Seems some of Johnson’s former Cabinet ministers had dissed her.)

    Cerebral China with glorious Russia standing at her side would not only be victorious in a nuclear conflict with the diseased and (((Satanically controlled))) United States, both would emerge from it relatively unscathed. Both Russian and China have the territory in which to keep safe large numbers of the more intelligent members of their educated populations, and between them they could easily recover from the loss of 3 or 4 hundred million.

    Whereas a loss of 3 hundred million in the US would mean that a great plague of disgusting losers had been wiped from the face of this earth. The tranny United Kingdom with its population of about 100 million (the official figure is 65 million, but they lie to their inane sheep due to not wanting to admit how many raping Muslims they’ve imported) would be little more than a sideshow for Russia. A couple of submarines in the North Atlantic would be all she’d need deploy to get rid of this (((Satanic controlled))) island.

    A defeated and devastated (and gloriously depopulated) US and UK would mean about 400 million less white trash losers (and their accompanying imported 3rd world trash) on the planet. The icing on this God-gifted cake would be for the glorious partnership of Russ/China to then obliterate the little patch of (((territory))) in the Middle East from which the white loser plagues in the US and UK sprang.

    I really believe that nukes have to be used to cleanse the plague-trash from the US and UK. I’ve no doubt that the disgusting loser bastards in both these countries have even contaminated the very earth in both places. The very ground in the US and UK needs to be irradiated and to remain radioactive for a least a century just to ensure that every single atom that made up the Americans and British contains no trace of their disgusting DNA.

    This current time is the best chance China will ever get to crush you despicable Americans and English. With the help of Glorious God, China and/or Russia will launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US and UK.

    And as you bastards watch your mongrel white children die with the skin peeling from their trash backs you can think of the 100 million White Russians and White Eastern Europeans your ancestors funded Stalin and his (((cohorts))) to murder.

    With the help of God, you’ll rot in the lowest levels of Hell before this year is over. And while there you’ll meet the (((people))) you fought so hard for in WW 1 and WW 2.

    Die you scum bastards.

  16. The jews that run the show are anti-white.

    Their goal is white genocide.

    They do not give a flying fuck about marx.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @JM
  17. @Anon

    LOL

    Bring it on, my man!

    I’d love to see Ohio Class boats dropping 20 megaton nukes on ChiCom cities.

    As long as everyone suffers and dies along with us, it’s cool.

    And those who survive will suffer even worse.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  18. SafeNow says:

    It’s not just a matter of lowering wages. Massive immigration has lowered standards. Here in California, proficient/conscientious/fastidious has unraveled into “get it basically okay.” This is rapidly becoming contagious across occupations, geography, and daily life. And so, we get the “basically okay” Boeing Max. The US ranked 27th internationally in “ competence and skill of medical staff.” (Japan was number one.) So-called plumbers and electricians. Almost all streets do not have homeless encampments, so, good enough.

    Wait, one clarification. When I say “ immigration“ I do not mean to include my Chinese-American doc. I’m sorry he has taken a traditional-American job, but he answers all of my questions with incredible patience and knowledge and smarts and decency. He has not caught the often-contagious “good enough” bug.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  19. Weaver says:
    @raga10

    Well, it’s like me, I don’t see serving capitalists as in any way “right wing.” The words mean less than nothing; they’re twisted.

    Right wing should mean nationalist, religious, traditional, orderly (not chaotic), hierarchical: period. And “traditional” can extend to all manner of preservation areas, including many taken incoherently by the “left.” If you’re preserving unique species in your area, that’s truly right wing, to give an example. And if you’re protecting drinking water for future generations, that’s also truly right wing.

    Classical liberalism was originally of the left. Marx took some arguments from conservative critics of liberalism.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  20. Weaver says:
    @Robert Dolan

    It’s not exclusively Jews to blame though. Small businesses hire illegals, advocate for more, advocate for guest workers.

    The system has flaws. WASP ideas have flaws. And Jews couldn’t be so damaging if the system were better designed.

    We put ethanol in our cars, though harmful, because Republican farmers like the profit. It’s not exclusively Jews to blame in the US. It can be difficult to pinpoint where Jews aren’t to blame, but cases like this can be found.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  21. utu says:
    @Ghastly Oik

    I think you are correct. Calvinists are the most hostile towards Catholics and also the most racist among Protestant denominations.

  22. Weaver says:

    I enjoyed this article, glad to see the George Borjas mention. A “cross-ideological coalition” is needed on foreign policy as well. A third such coalition is needed on auditing the Federal Reserve.

    In my experience, left and right agree far more than they like to admit. But we have insane events like wars and Covid to create imaginary divides. Republicans demand we have to attack Saddam to prevent another 9/11, because he’s pursuing nukes, when nothing like that happened. Democrats demand similarly insane things about Covid.

    I believe the following line is well written, it’s correct that it be included in the article, but it’s not true. It’s just something people want to hear, want to believe:

    Right and Left inevitably will disagree on most things, and often ferociously.

    Just to say, illegals aren’t just “exploited.” Little girls, pretty much all females, are routinely raped on the way here. They take birth control, because they expect to be raped. That’s pretty bad. And since bringing kids along makes entry into the US easier, I expect a lot of bad things are being done, within the US too.

    Illegals might badly want to come here, but it’d be better to have free trade with Central America and the Caribbean, something like that. Illegals need to stay in their own countries. Free trade with Puerto Rico could allow it to secede, making the US more Republican.

  23. I lived in London in the mid seventies, most salaries we’re around twenty pounds per week or \$40 us.
    You could rent a flat (apartment) and eat fish and chips (excellent North Sea Cod) and still have enough for a few pints each night before repeating the same bs the next day.
    I’m heart broken for what England and Ireland have become.

  24. FvS says:
    @obwandiyag

    Wrong. Race still matters. It’s not an either/or situation.

    • Thanks: Briggs
  25. utu says:
    @Wielgus

    The site is also a proponent of zero Covid, presumably to be achieved by the forever lockdown.

    Actually zero Covid was an excellent idea that unfortunately nobody put on the table in the US or Europe. It could have been accomplished with strict and relatively short lockdown, effective contact tracing and border closure with strict guarded involuntary quarantine for all new arrivals regardless of residence or citizenship status. If it was done in February or March 2020 there would be no lockdowns past May 2020.

    The rightoids of VDARE and UR if they had brains should have been for the zero Covid strategy because the immigration both legal and illegal would have been cut to zero for several years while life would go back to normal in 2-3 months. Also the anti-vaxxers should support the zero Covid if they did not share the condition of microcephaly with the rightoids. Instead their diminished mental capacity in combination with libertarian tendencies sent them into fits of hysteria following the meme “It’s just the flu” that was coined by pro China bots and trolls so they directed their full energies to fight mandatory masking as the greatest emasculating indignity they ever were faced with.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @Fred777
  26. Patjoe says:

    Yes and the Irish made up 40% of the British army in the 1800’s.

  27. utu says:

    VDARE is racist, libertarian and Zionist outfit that is funded by Charles Koch and Mercer family who are pro immigration and pro cheap labor. The article by Horowitz can’t be taken seriously as it was written in bad faith.

  28. Schuetze says:

    Name the Jew, or it ain’t true.

    Marx, of course, was a Jew. But just as bad, he was a Freemason, and his hidden hand in the image used by ((CARL HOROWITZ)) bitch slaps every reader across the face. I cannot help but think that this subliminal masonic messaging was deliberate.

    The Attempted Communist revolutions across Europe in 1948 were to a large degree the work of Marx and his Talmudic cadre. Many of the revolutionaries from these failed putsch attemps fled to the US, where many became Union officers and Union soldiers. Abe Lincoln loved Marx and clearly hated democratic principles like secession and freedom of association.

    Those murdering Marxist revolutionaries participated in the destruction and “reconstruction” of the South, just as the later Marxists burned, looted, raped and murdered their way across Russia in 1917 and Germany in 1945.

    Vdare is a limited hangout where most, if not all, authors prodigiously avoid the JQ (Jewish Question). As such we must assume that they are always pushing the most current Talmudic dialectic. In this case it would seem that Marx’s proclaimed distaste for immigrations effect on labor markets is being pushed to deflect from the fact the covid lockdowns, protests against mandatory clot shots, central bank currency manipulation and the push to UBI have created a labor market where there are more unfilled jobs than “unemployed”, and the Jew owned Central Banks across the planet are pouring out government gravy across the entire west.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  29. @Observator

    Everything you need to know about Marx is summed up in one of the few attempts he made at earning a living rather than mooching. He wrote for the New York Times.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Let's Rollover!!
  30. lee says:
    @Anon

    You should seek the services of a psychiatrist—–soon.

  31. @Wielgus

    Not trying to suggest that wsws doesn’t have it’s faults & issues. (it too often impliedly supports the Dem’s with its anti-Trump mania — it actually still pushes the line that Jan’ 6 was a genuine attempt at a coup, rather than a simple shambles.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  32. Mr. Horowitz, Peak Stupidity favorably reviewed your article yesterday in “More Marxism from Peak Stupidity”. (It even includes some Workingman’s Dead.) The title is facetious, of course. Not many people are stupid enough to believe the general Communist ideas of Karl Marx, but like a stopped clock with a 2-digit year display, he was right once per century.

    I see the naysayers in the comments above, but I am glad to see you use the word Communist for the modern ctrl-left in this country. I noticed a few more writers on VDare doing this too. Nobody says these people read Marx or Mao or know what the words proletariate and bourgeoisie mean (hell, even spell check can’t help ME on the latter), but the fact is that they are out to destroy traditional society. That’s what the Commies of a century ago were up to, and that’s what these resentidos (H/T to ex-Cuban Humberto Fontova) are always up to.

    I call ’em as I see ’em. The antifa, most of the D-squad at this point, and lots of people who have slowly infiltrated the Establishment over the last half century, they are Commies, plain and simple. It’d be best if we take this to heart and act accordingly.

    PS: I did wonder how a guy who seemed to understand Supply & Demand, at least for one example, was the proto-Communist, as you dubbed him.

  33. JM says:
    @Wielgus

    Yes…but they print the Financial Times, the house organ of Finance Capital, the ultimate force behind the conspiracy.

    And of course the wsws are long time open borders “socialists”.

  34. It is clear, because if immigration lowers wages but also increases consumption, it is a double business for men of money. Even deaths from misery can also be considered another source of good business.

  35. JM says:
    @Robert Dolan

    That’s the ultimate goal without a doubt. But I ‘m yet to see one Agenda they push that hasn’t got pretty immediate pecuniary rewards, in the case of “immigration” it was initially displacement of the native European working class and the destruction of their trade unions from which they fight back, along with a marginalisation of their social weight, this being replaced by a far more impressionable and malleable and atomised middle class/declassed mass.

    Just look at – say – i) the 9-11 inside job, ii) the ruinous ME wars that followed; iii) the Climate Change hoax; ii) the engineered great crash of 2007-8; v) the current coviditis hoax.

    ALL of them have uncanny multi-pronged benefits for the conspirators ALWAYS including great monetary rewards. Of course all of this is totally dependent on the fact that they can get away with it.

  36. The late Alexander Cockburn used to write in the pages of the Nation that California Agribusiness deserved to have a cheap labor subsidy…but what would you expect of someone who was a descendant of a Scottish land owing Aristocracy…

    Noam Chomsky is a Jew who hates the Native White White Working Class…genocidal hatred…

    Socialist Labor Leaders Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers..two immigrants…lead the movement to shut down Chinese Legal Immigration which led to the 1877 Chinese Exclusion Act…Newspaper owner Izzy Choyinski..Boxer Joe Choyinski’s father….referred to the Chinese in California as insects….You should read Denis Kearney’s and Samuel Gompers testimony before Congress in favor of the Chinese Exclusion Act….

  37. geokat62 says:

    Marx Got It Right: Mass Immigration Wrecks Wages. Why Won’t America’s Resurgent Communists Admit It?

    A more interesting article would have been…

    Prof. MacDonald Got It Right: Mass Immigration Wrecks Homelands. Why Won’t America’s Resurgent Cuckservatives Admit It?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  38. Wielgus says:
    @animalogic

    They are descended from a Trotskyist group headed by a certain Gerry Healy, who assumed military coups and fascism were just around the corner, and a certain hysteria is very much in the WSWS DNA. The ranting about January 6 is another issue they have. I haven’t decided whether the WSWS are state or corporate-sponsored shills, or merely nuts. They may be a small enough group that the leader having a nervous breakdown might be enough to make the entire organisation crazy. Who knows?

  39. Wielgus says:
    @Bill Jones

    He didn’t. He wrote for another New York newspaper. The “New York Tribune”, associated with Horace Greeley.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  40. Rich says:
    @utu

    Oh no, not “racist”!! Heaven’s to mergatroid , whatever will we do? And “libertarian” how frightening. Boy, you probably need a new pair of panties just writing those words. Take a pill and some seltzer water and rest for a while. Just writing “racist” probably wore you out.

  41. I laugh out loud at articles like this. Authors sympathetic to QAnon and supportive of it harping on about immigration when in fact QAnon is contrived by the very people in the Oligarchy who prefer immigration and employ the illegal immigrants because it is one way among many ways to suppress wages.

    I can’t tell you how many QAnon McDonald Trump supporting Russian Communist sympathizers there are in my neck of the woods who own their own small companies that employ nothing but illegal immigrants. Painting companies. Roofing companies. All of them managed by one or two or three lily white McDonald Trump supporting QAnon types — the ones dropping dead left and right from COVFEFE-45.

    QAnon — it’s so many things it can’t make up its enigmatic mind what it wants to be besides pure batsh*t insane hypocrisy.

  42. @Bill Jones

    Talk about mooching. The QAnon freaks are dying in droves from COVFEFE-45 and leaving us with the million dollar bills for their several week ICU care. What a bunch of welfare kings and queens they are. Considering their love for Putin, I guess they are communists through and through, sponging off others for exorbitant healthcare due to their reckless irresponsibility.

  43. @Schuetze

    Most modern “huwhites” are cowards in every sense of the word. Expect no whole truth from them.

  44. So are they going to cancel Marx and Engels under their cancel culture anytime soon? I’m sure they wrote something condescending about primitives at some point, which could be construed as being “racist” by today’s standards.

  45. @Weaver

    Celler and Javitz wrote the legislation to open the borders in 1965, then they had the gall to boldly lie to us and claim that the new law “would not change the demographics of America.”

    Organized jewry is ALWAYS at the forefront of the push for massive third world immigration, and they have thousands of well funded groups that have facilitated white genocide.

    They bleat constantly for bringing in more “refugees” to rape our women, bomb shit, and vote Democrat.

    The HIAS literally hires boats to bring in the military age radical muslims to every western country, while refusing to allow any to enter Israel.

    Chapter 7 of “The Culture of Critique” is an eye opener. There were literally no other lobby groups demanding open borders…..only jews and organized jewish groups.

    Diversity means chasing down the last white man.

    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Countries✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Cities✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Neighborhoods✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Workplaces✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Schools✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Sports✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no White Anything✓
    Anti-Whites say there should be no Whites✓
    Anti-racist is a >codeword< for anti-White.
    White geNOcide!

    • Replies: @Weaver
  46. @SafeNow

    Very good point, SafeNow. It’s more the Black Run America (TM – Paul Kersey) thing that has many things already running in a 3rd World manner. See “To the 3rd World – Warp Speed, Mr. Sulu!” for an anecdote or two.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  47. @utu

    I didn’t want to use the sarcastic LOL, as I hate that, and I didn’t want to reply to you at all, but man!:

    VDARE is racist, libertarian and Zionist outfit that is funded by Charles Koch and Mercer family who are pro immigration and pro cheap labor.

    Never go full retard, Utu, never!

    .

    BTW, I saw that Mr. Horowitz only has had a dozen articles published on VDare in 20 years. I would like to see more.

    • LOL: Zarathustra
  48. Trinity says:
    @obwandiyag

    (((Bernie Sanders))) SUPPORTS nonwhite immigration. Believe me, he really does.

    How can you tell when a Jew is lying? When you see his or her lips moving.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  49. Trinity says:

    Karl Marx looks like he might have a tad of Black in him.

  50. @geokat62

    Prof. MacDonald Got It Right: Mass Immigration Wrecks Homelands. Why Won’t America’s Resurgent Cuckservatives Admit It?

    cuckservatives have always known this and are handsomely compensated to remain silent. Before Trump was deballed he would constantly point out donors propping up recucks, one of the main reasons they aided demonrats in getting rid of him.

    Secession is the way forward. Same problems but within smaller, more manageable-sized territories.

  51. @Anon

    China has a very small nuclear arsenal, and isn’t going to nuke the planet, when the US is set for a total implosion, along with the UK. The 🌎 is there’s as it has been gifted to them by our stupidity.

  52. Marx continued:

    He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.

    This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organization. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.

    Excuse me, but Marx got very little wrong about capitalism. As he noted about immigrants, immigrants differeing from the English workers created ethnic and other identiy based differences that enabvles the capitalist to set them off fighting each other. Which is exactly what is happening in America today with all this ridiculous identity politics that entirely ignores the unifying force workers joining together to fight as onbe against capitalists despite all the tea water differences.

    But more than that. Marx got it entirely right that the natural development of capitalism was the ever greater concentration of indeed productive power and wealth. That concentration was indeed hastened by the boom-bust cycle of capitalism that repeatedly destroyed firms that were gobbled up by others. In fact, he was the only one who actually saw that. The remaining political economists expected capitalism would simply keep replicating itself as small scale industry, like the pin and candlestick makers Adam Smith used as his example for explaining capitalist production.

    Marx, howevcer, did not exactly foresee the development of finance capitalism that we have today when it is the bankers and financiers who control the economythrough central banks. Marx, of course saw the importance of banking for capitalism and for regulating the economy, which is why in the manifesto the nationalization of banks was a high priority.

    Now if, as you seem to think, Marx got so much wrong about capitalism and its develoment, why was it the top priority of capitalist idologues to denounce and discredit Marx’s thgeory? If it was indeed incorrect, people who believed and followewd it would get it all wrong about who their real enemies were and they would travel paths leading to nothing but dead ends.

    No, Marx had to be discredited to save capitalism because if the working class ever got his message, capitalist would be doomed once the productive forces had develped to the point where all production was social rather than individualized in small scale production.

    To realize just how socialized all production is today, look at yourself and see how many objects you will use today that you have produced entirely yourself. Is there even one item? How then can you imagine your being an entirely independent individidual who exists by depending only on himself? Nonsense.

    We just visited the “Hidden Valley” farm in Pennsylvania that reflects farming from the mid 18th to the late 19th century. The people who worked that farm indeed produced almost everything that they used and ate every day. That’s individualized production that exists almost nowhere in the world today.

    Another word for world socialized production is global capitalism. So we already have socialism because almost all production today is socialized and not individualized as it used to be. It’s the collectivization of the productive forces. Marx indeed foresaw that.

    It’s now extending even to the health care industry, where doctors are being pushed to join group practices controlled by hedge funds, and hospitalis are becoming national monopolies.

    And Marx also wrote that communism could not succeed until capitalism was collectivized on an international scale, and it is only then that the revolution against it could and would be as universalized as the productive forces had been universally socialized.

    We have now reached that point.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  53. Maddaugh says:

    ‘Mass immigration wrecks wages blah blah …..”

    Actually the title is at first amusing to me and then depressing but not for me. The days when an immigrant could come to the west and make it are long gone. The glory days have vanished !

    Yesterday I had a chat with the black clerk at the Dollar Store who advised me he has an engineering degree. The only thing he is constructing is the shelves for the Chinese goods. I see other immigrants, who could not afford a bicycle in Wakanda, driving around in Lexus and other high end SUV’s……and using them to deliver fast food LOL.

    Rapping with the coolie East Indian man at the pizza store he tells me he works from 5 am to midnight at several jobs, as does his wife, just to pay the bills. Who takes care of the kids. Well his Parents. It would have been crass to ask how THEY make their living !

    Mass immigration wrecks wages, not only those for existing residents but also those who think that giving up their mud huts and coming to America is a step up. The streets are indeed paved with gold, the type you use to fertilize your garden. The poor fuckers who come to the west these days find they are worse off.

    Back in the old country at least the shack was mortgage and rent free, the electricity pirated and water no cost at the nearest polluted stream or gutter. Here in the land of milk and honey everything costs and they exchange one type of slavery for another either working like dogs to pay the bills or sitting around like dogs waiting for the monthly handout in order to pay the bills.

    Welcome to America…Amerimutts…as Heeebhunter would say !

  54. If you haven’t notice most modern day Bolsheviks (they really aren’t Marxist or communists) are upper middle class, professional class types who loathe the unwashed working class with every fiber of their being. Immigration is wonderful for these type of individual due to cheapening the value of people they loathe and increasing the need for their own supply limited services. The Bolsheviks are at the end of the day, usury based capitalists. All this makes the oligarchs quite happy.

  55. An important tenet of Marxist philosophy is the idea that amongst the capitalist class there exists a great desirability to always having a ‘reserve army of labour’ to call upon. This is for several obvious reasons; most importantly it creates job insecurity, leading to wage suppression and the acceptance amongst the working class of ever poorer working conditions.

    Of course, having the even greater ranks of an international ‘reserve army of labour’ to be able to utilise is even more beneficial to the aims of the bourgeoisie in that it even further removes power from an already beleaguered and exploited proletariat, as the option of collective bargaining – unionisation and the threat of withdrawal of labour – is thus, more or less, completely neutralised.

    The EU situation is a prime example of this, though this was little articulated by the (rump) existant Left during the Brexit debate.

    The EU amounts to a population of some half-a-billion or more people. If you, as employee, won’t work for less money, and for reduced conditions, then you can be replaced by potentially several hundreds of millions of other people who will do, for even less money and on even poorer terms, all of whom having been given them the absolutely right to do so under Freedom of Movement rules. This set of circumstances, of course, was never arrived at by chance.

    The ruling modern liberal élite ‘Left’ never willlingly understood nor acknowledged this, and continue not to do so, being left absolutely astounded when the majority of people, mainly blue-collar, and often demonised and abused as ‘stupid’ and ‘racist’, ended up voting to leave this institution.

    It takes a hell of a persuasive argument to get a person to accept and embrace a situation where their own their and their families personal circumstances are greatly and demonstrably adversely effected, and even more to then get them out to actually vote in favour of it.

  56. The UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs Population Division Replacement Agenda is using unlimited illegal immigration to replace the white race in the EU and the US and this is why the southern border is wide open and the illegals do NOT have to get the covid-19 injection of mRNA as the global kult intends for these people to survive and the white race to die.

    The globalists are replacing the white race, if anyone doubts this, google the UN Dept. of Economic and and Social Affairs Population Division , it is all right there.

    • Replies: @GMC
  57. TG says:

    “It may appear to be the interest of the rulers, and the rich of a state, to force population, and thereby lower the price of labour, and consequently the expense of fleets and armies, and the cost of manufactures for foreign sale; but every attempt of the kind should be carefully watched and strenuously resisted by the friends of the poor, particularly when it comes under the deceitful guise of benevolence…”
    T.R. Malthus, “An Essay on the Principle of Population”, 1798

    What, you say that Malthus was wrong? Tell that to the people of India, who despite massive increases in food production are still locked at a low-level of subsistence, the physical standard of living is still inferior to late medieval Europe. Or tell that to the people of Bangladesh, or Pakistan, or Egypt, or Syria, or Yemen, or Nigeria, or Mexico, or Brazil…

    No, Malthus was not wrong. But the rich have a powerful vested interested in making you think that.

  58. Overlong commentary by a Jew on another Jew (how surprising), making the very obvious point that mass immigration depresses wages.

    Who could possibly have ever come to this conclusion ?
    Thank God for Jewish “Intellectuals” — where would we be without them ?

    Talking abt “Intellectuals”, the 1988 volume of that title by Paul Johnson reviews personal traits of such, including Marx who was work-shy and foul-mouthed. It’s worth reading imho, on sale and also free download.
    Better reading than this crass article anyway.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  59. HT says:

    The Jew communists leading the way destroying America, have two purposes for mass non-white immigration. Yes it provides cheaper labor but the main purpose Jew communists want this type of immigration is to game the voting system and destroy white Western culture and civilization.

  60. Schuetze says:

    “the black clerk at the Dollar Store who advised me he has an engineering degree.”

    LOL. Affirmative action in the University system has undermined job prospects for the negroes, trannies lesbians, feminists and all “people of color” who admitted and coddled through the entire system based on their minority, anti-white status. No merit based organization wants these over privileged negroes who already have a massive attitude problem and who are horny for any kind of “discrimination” law suit pushed by Jewish lawyers.

    It is a perfect example of karmic justice. This negro should have gotten a degree in Critical Race Theory and gone to work in government.

  61. Trinity says:

    Warts and all, the Irish were not as bad as the Italian. hehe. And definitely preferable over the nonwhites and Jew. Think about where America would be today if it had not taken in Jewish immigrants. We would still be almost a 90% White nation, we would not be involved in the Middle East, we would not have CRT in our public schools, and our public schools would still rank among the best in the world. The largest minority would still be Blacks, and Blacks would not have been indoctrinated with (((anti-White movies))) like “To Kill A Mockingbird,” “Mississippi Burning” and other trash.

    Immigration led by the Jew does far more than destroy wages. The first English word these immigrants learn is “racist.” Hell, they do not have to learn much English to survive in cities like Miami or Los Angeles. (((Leon Trotsky aka Lev Bronstein))) saw that classical Marxism was getting nowhere in the Soviet Union and sought out to expand his (((commie lies aka Judaism))) to the nonwhite masses. (((Bronstein))) knew that nonwhites would fall for his bullshit, hook, line and sinker because nonwhites would be easier to convince than poor Russkies. Ironic that the working poor and working class suffered far more than any other groups in the (((Workers Paradise))) set up in the old Soviet Union. Good ole (((Lev))) could preach to the colored folk how Whitey had either conquered them in battle, economically or through colonialism and they would accept each spoon full of Jewy horseshit lies because they were easily led. Mr. Bronstein probably didn’t bring up the Jew was behind enslaving nonwhites even more than Whitey and that poor Whites were not much better off than many nonwhites.

    Btw. I heard Anderson Cooper of CNN had ancestors who owned slaves. You can almost bet that people like former President Jimmy Carter probably had ancestors who owned slaves. How many people in Washington or other wealthy Jews/Whites in powerful positions are the descendants of former slave owners?? hahaha. Be interesting, would it not?

    Economy and immigration? Nonwhite immigration does a helluva lot more damage to America than just ruining wages. Don’t know about you, but I place more value on a safe America than a wealthy America. Think about all the crime these WMD bring to America. How about diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis, ebola, MRSA, hell even bed bugs.

  62. @Arthur MacBride

    PS. For any who may be interested in History, writings of Paul Johnson —

    “The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.” – from The Recovery of Freedom (1980).

    https://fee.org/articles/paul-johnson-on-why-we-should-beware-intellectuals/

  63. The kind of immigration and population nomadism occuring in normal times is part of a healthy society. However when an imperial power overextends itself and mismanages other countries as Rome, London and Washington did or do, the result is a flood of displaced people that get on the move and have the potential of dissolving the center of the empire from within. The population move may be the source of new construction projects and the cheap labour may help some second class businesses to survive for awhile. I think the largest impact is cultural. This is the challenge of creating a new society and living with it.

  64. Marx got NOTHING “right.” He was a Leftist pig in the disgusting tradition of the old Levelers.
    The essence of Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Leftism in general is to lower EVERYONE to an extremely low common denominator where they can be oppressed and controlled like lab rats.
    If Marx said he wanted higher wages for anybody, it was just a tactic to help destroy the producers of wealth and the creators of civilization.
    Of course once the (((Left))) takes over, EVERYBODY now works for (((Leftist pigs.))) Then the wages drop for everybody to barely subsistence levels. Nobody owns anything. Nobody is allowed to achieve anything. Nobody is allowed to dissent. In a (((Leftist tyranny))) it is all about rigid, brutal control.
    That’s happening in the U.S. TODAY. (((Leftists))) are parasites sucking on the body of civilization; that is to say White people.
    Of course the (((ruling elites))) in a (((Leftist tyranny))) have everything.
    A (((Leftist tyranny))) is like secular feudalism, but infinitely more brutal and murderous.
    And part of the (((Left’s))) project to lower everyone to the lowest common denominator is to import as many low-IQ, ugly, violent, third-world savages as possible. These Orcs are the foot soldiers used by the (((Left))) to destroy civilization.
    The solution is to utterly destroy the (((Left))) and begin expelling every single third-world savage infesting this country (and Europe and Australia and South Africa, etc.) That includes our domestic Blacks. They are not working out at all. Even after having been here since the 17th Century they are still barely civilized. And yet the (((Left))) forces us to worship these animals.

    • Agree: TheMoon
  65. GMC says:
    @Desert Fox

    Agree – all we have to do is look closely at who axed our pre 64 immigration laws that let only 700,000 immigrants in { 80% of them were from Europe} per year , then look at the Unlimited, Unvetted, Open Immigration laws that stopped that 80% European immigrants from entering the USA. It was the New York Jew lobby, NY Jew politicians, and their bought off Congress and President – Johnson.

    PS – they didn’t call it – Ground Zero – for nothin !

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  66. @The Old Philosopher

    If Marx ever predicted that capitalism would one day go bankrupt then he got that right. Capitalism has long been bankrupt and on life support, it’s just that nobody seems to have noticed it. Just look at the debts of all the countries, from USA to whoever, and all the companies, from the biggest to the smallest. Billionaires and banks getting bailouts. Why? If they’re all viable and profitable, why, why, why? I’m not saying they can’t keep running capitalism like this for a long time still, like repairing an old banger but with lower expectations of performance.

  67. @raga10

    I have to say that I think you are being naive – recent events in the USA look from where I am in Europe as an attempted Communist takeover.

    Communism or Leftism is best described as an upper class movement that is for billionaires too and has been since the time of Lenin and Trotsky. Of course it latches onto actual working class movements sometimes, but since the Weathermen in the 1960s it has latched onto the cause of the blacks and other oppressed minorities.

    The Weatherman were all upper middle class and like their proteges such as Barack Obama they live in the most upscale suburbs, went to private schools, and send their children to private schools. They are – even Obama – the epitome of ‘white saviours’ and certainly would never live near a ghetto.

    What they want is power, they maybe even sincerely believe power to create a utopia, but it is power. They are best understood as a rival elite, not an insurgency against the elites. And of course they are often and mostly Jewish because why should they care about a countries Christian heritage or national heritage. For the same reasons Leftists are anti-religion as long as it is Christianity, but pro religion as long as it anything but Christianity.

    • Agree: Pablo
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @raga10
  68. Another piece “owning the Left” for “hypocrisy.” It reminds me of Nanny Wilkins in Brideshead Revisited, who hears a speech on the radio and says “I don’t know if Mr. Hitler was listening, but if he was, he must feel very small now.”

    Look, no one on the Left cares about being a “hypocrite.” No one on the Right cares about the Left because of their hypocrisy, they are angry about what the Left is doing. Save the “Is X truly Y” stuff for doctoral dissertations.

    It’s very simple: Who/Whom is the only “principle” these folks have. Perhaps it could be called “Marxist” or “Leftist” because Lenin formulated it, but that’s the only connection with Marxism or the Left.

    These people simply want power — over you — and will do or say anything to get it.

    Every. Single. Time.

  69. Leftists such as Alexander Cockburn and Noam Chomsky are advocates of denying the Native Born White American Working Class the benefits of a severe labor scarcity which would have occurred if the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act had not been passed and if the 1882 Chinese LEGAL Immigrant Increase Act had remained in place and if a Hindu LEGAL IMMIGRANT Exclusion Act had been passed and if a Muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANT Exclusion Act had been passed……And the two great benefits of the aforementioned policies would have been 1)In 2021 America 90 percent demographically White and 2)a very high real wage for the Native Born White American Working Class……..Alex Cockburn and Noam Chomsky of course opposed 1) and 2)…

  70. Fred777 says:
    @Anon

    Please, don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.

  71. Pablo says:

    Why won’t “America’s Communists admit it”? Oh, they HAVE noticed what unfettered Immigration does to Labor Wages!! It is EXACTLY why they promote Open Borders!! You see, the Political Wh#res in D.C. push for Open Borders for different reasons. The Democrats do it to get Votes and stay in Power. Republicans promote Unlimited Immigration because they are mouthpieces for the Business Lobby with the goal being to depress wages. Reagan granted Immigration Amnesty to 3 million Illegals. Both the Republicans and Democrats have ZERO loyalty or concern for The American People! If BOTH these Parties throw the Economy into the trash heap, BOTH Parties are fine with that. As long as they stay in Power, it’s all good to them.

  72. Fred777 says:
    @utu

    “It could have been accomplished with strict and relatively short lockdown“

    Two weeks to flatten the curve, as it were.

  73. Ace says:
    @obwandiyag

    I don’t think class is the that useful unless one thinks of it in the sense of personal refinement. It’s truly available to all. The refusal pursue it is telling, if not determinative. Think Nancy, Stacey or Maxine and you see the problem right there.

    When America had a thriving middle class it achieved a classless society. A Sino-Vietnamese friend who came here in 1975 tellingly remarked that America is different from home in that you can’t look at an American and tell whether he’s rich or not. Careers were open to talent and the hand of government was light. A stat that I can no longer source was that the average family of four c. 1990 paid an average of 24% in income and employment taxes but that same family in 1948 paid only 2% for such taxes.

    Prosperity and normalcy, however, let to complacency and the belief that America could absorb any and all pathologies given enough money and good will, which we had in abundance.

    We failed as a nation to realize that the introduction of hostile, subversive foreigners and pandering to minorities who in the main never had the slightest intention of exerting themselves or not fanning the fires of their hatred for whites was a suicidal pastime. Nor did the nation care to exert itself to learn the most elementary lessons of history and then protect their Constitution and crucify the filth who presumed to embrace the progressive project of uplifting us all as per their flawed visions of what we were lacking and grasping for total power. In short, we failed to protect ourselves against power-hungry imbeciles intent on fouling their — and our — nest.

    Solzhenitsyn knew that man had erred tragically when he determined that he was no longer subject to the laws of God and the end result has been an Western world determined to worship hedonism and juvenile social policies.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: RichardDuck
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  74. Schuetze says:
    @GMC

    they didn’t call it – Ground Zero – for nothin !

    Hmmm. So in Jew York City at ground zero, 3000 people were killed by “moslem terrorists”. Yet despite the predominance of Jews working in WTC, virtually no Jews were killed.

    This kind of reminds me of Auschwitz, where supposedly, at least according to the world renowned Nuremberg trials, Honorable German officers were tortured to force confessions and they were charged with the execution of 4 million people. Yet the IRC reports only 188 thousand Jews died.

    I guess the recurring theme here is:

    Jew lie, Goyim die.

  75. Agent76 says:

    May 4, 2012 General Motors is becoming China Motors

    General Motors is becoming China Motors. Forget the spin. The evidence is clear and convincing. Did U.S. taxpayers save GM for China? Listen to the candid comments of GM’s CEO.

    Mar 4, 2014 Fair Trade, not “Free” Trade

    “Free” Trade is government policy and NOT a free market. Free Trade agreements are designed by large multi-national corporate entities to favor them over the small business owner and the local sovereignty of the people. The Trans-Pacific Partnership ( TPP ) and NAFTA are examples of how the World Trade Organization is slowly taking control over all trade and is the 3rd pillar supporting a New World Order government.

  76. Schuetze says:
    @The worm that turned

    “What they want is power, they maybe even sincerely believe power to create a utopia, but it is power.”

    Name the Jew, or it ain’t true.

    This mysterious “they” you talk about and refer to as an “upper class movement that is for billionaires too”, is not run by rich goyim. In the French and Russian revolutions, the goy aristocracy were the equivalent to the goy “billionaires”. Clearly they were the target of the revolution, and they lost everything including their lives and those of all their offspring.

    Both Marx and the Bolshevics were not about the “rich” getting power, they were about the Jews and their puppet Freemasons getting power and ownership of everything, including the lives, and even souls, of the white Christians. These revolutions, and the revolutionaries that led them, were Talmudic, not socialist, not communist. The enslavement, starvation and genocide of Russia, France and Spain had absolutely nothing to do with the facade of Socialism that Marx lied about and preached, and obviously didn’t believe in. Marx was a lifetime actor and puppet to Engels and the Rothschilds, he never hated “capitalism”, he merely created a dialectic and useful idiots for his owners to exploit. Just like Scofield and his bible.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, Ace
    • Thanks: Trinity
  77. Mevashir says:

    That Marx was wrong in his overall critique of capitalism, most notably his prediction that it was doomed, did not make him wrong on everything.

    Marx was right about almost everything he critiqued regarding capitalism: the constant suppression of wages in the interest of profits, the loss of consumer purchasing power and the rise of the debt-based creditor society, the constant resort to war to resuscitate the economy.

    See the writings of Notre Dame professor of Christian history David Bentley Hart:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/opinion/sunday/christianity-communism.html
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    Capitalism can’t be reconciled with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth – or so claims the New Testament translator David Bentley Hart. Christ condemned not just greed for riches, but their very possession, and Jesus’ first followers were voluntary communists. With technologized market forces dominating our world, is a truly Christian economics still possible? What, if anything, lies beyond capitalism?

  78. Briggs says:
    @obwandiyag

    Fuck you. I’d rather live in a 100% white poor communist shithole than a rich country full of brown and black people.

    It’s about race AND class.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  79. @The Griffins

    It is all nonsense. Do you think that Russians are imbeciles. Do you think that Russians would stay out of it? When US would attack China and the Russians be only watching inertly? Even idiots would figure it out.
    Russia would be totally aware that if US would destroy China, they would be next facing the destruction.
    So do not be so enthusiastic. Reality is if US attacks China, the Russian nukes will be falling on district of Columbia and New York, and many other places.
    The same thing would happen if US would attack Iran.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  80. @Weaver

    I’m for dropping the left/right labels permanently, irrespective of what they should, or should not, mean. Even the terms “conservative” and “liberal” are becoming fuzzy. What is it that “conservatives” are trying to “conserve”? It is a fallacy that the economic system in place 250 years ago was capitalism, the colonial scrip is proof of that, yet “conservatives” insist they are conserving what they founders intended. Three of the original 13 states are titled “commonwealth” meaning for the common good. It is reasonble to conclude the other 10 original states had similar inclinations. Capitalism is concentration of capital, something anti-trust laws sought to prevent, not about the common good.
    I won’t even start on what the “liberals” have become.

    • Agree: RichardDuck
    • Replies: @raga10
    , @Weaver
  81. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    America’s Resurgent Communists don’t exist.

    you sound retarded.

  82. @Ghastly Oik

    Indeed, the derogatory comments about the Irish, made by both Marx and Engels would be enough to get anybody else “cancelled”, irrespective of their achievements.

    It seems that socialist heroes are exempt from “cancellation”. Most early British socialists and feminists were eugenicists – including Emmeline Pankhurst. They are excused their sins, while anybody who is not a socialist/feminist hero but indulged in this early-20th-Century intellectual fashion is literally Hitler – for example the inventor of population genetics and modern statistics, Ronald Fisher.

  83. Well?
    Marks?
    Here is good news? Or bad news?
    Main point in Marks theory is that Communism will happen in the country that is most advanced technically, technologically, and spiritually.
    That is obviously USA.
    Lenin contradicted this point, and did make a point That Communist system is workable and be successful in any country. And he decided to prove it in USSR. Communism did fail in USSR.mainly for economic reasons.
    So far Marks was right and Lenin was wrong.
    ……………………………………………………………………………
    Now US is marching toward Communism with Giant steps. Will Communism be successful in US?
    Time only will confirm that Marks was correct.

  84. Agent76 says:

    Sep 16, 2021 Climate Math At The Economist by Tony Heller

    The prestigious Economist Magazine attempts to erase the 1970s.

  85. Schuetze says:
    @Zarathustra

    The slavs who inhabit “Russia” are no longer “Russian”. They are the weak jew puppets who managed to survive by selling out their neighbors and family to the sadistic and blood thirsty Judeo-Bolshevics.

    [MORE]
    As a result, Russians still worship the very people who murdered Russia. In effect, Russians have become nothing more than soulless Jewish stooges.

    Here is what Talmudic Hebrew did to the “Best Russians”. It is exactly the same thing they did to the best Poles at Katyn in 1939, and the best Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians in 1940, and to the best Hungarians, Czechs, Romanians, Serbians, Croatians, and Bulgarians in 1945. For centuries slavs were slaves to the Jewish slave traders, and at the end of the 20th century slavs became their blood sacrifice victims. The remaining slavs are little more than blood thirsty Jew Stooges.

    The paragraph from “The Forsaken an American Tragedy in Stalins Russia” explains what happened to the best Russians:

    “For the Red Army officers who had survived the Terror, the outbreak of war represented their best hope of salvation. Eighty percent of the Red Army command, from majors up, had already been killed by the NKVD. Marshal Rodion Malinovsky, the Soviet defense minister after Stalin’s death, later quoted a figure of eighty-two thousand executions. It was, said Malinovsky, as if a crystal vase containing their most experienced commanders had been wantonly smashed, and “on the eve of the war, we found ourselves decapitated.” For the Russian officers who survived the Terror, the Second World War would prove to be a safer experience. Fewer would die on the Eastern Front, the greatest theater of conflict in modern history, than had been already killed by the NKVD. Thus Konstantin Rokossovsky, a future marshal of the Soviet Union and defense minister of Poland, was flown back from Kolyma ready to resume his military career with his teeth kicked out. In the Kremlin, Stalin questioned him: “Konstantin Konstantinovich, did they beat you up there?” “They did, Comrade Stalin,” replied Rokossovsky.

    For ordinary citizens, the outbreak of war was a breathing space in Russia, a time of relative freedom after the overwhelming fear that had dominated their lives before. Foreigners discovered Muscovites to have become peculiarly more cheerful upon hearing the news of war. The visiting American writer Erskine Caldwell wrote: “On face after face smiles broke out, plainly indicating genuine happiness that at last they would give full vent to their long-pent-up emotions.” Meanwhile, Joseph Stalin had disappeared from sight altogether, refusing to meet any of his staff between June 24 and July 2, 1941, a week that Khrushchev later claimed had been lost to a drinking binge.”

    https://efrem.net/tzouliadis-tim/page,24,248534-the_forsaken_an_american_tragedy_in_stalins_russia.html

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  86. AReply says:

    Marx got it right, mass immigration wrecks wages..:

    Why? Because wages aren’t the be-all, end-all, you idiot.

    Immigration attends more serious problems such as war, persecution, starvation.

    Do you even know how to think?

    Why TF do any of the reactionary libertarians here even care about wages? You’re self-made, gentile geniuses, so you want war, persecution and strife on the hoof to cut wages! A dynamic labor sector is good for your business.

    Wait.. you want a healthy society with stable institutions and controls based on a sound set of social-economic postulates? Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Where are we? Unz Review? Controversial unwanted ideas?

    Go on…

    Right and Left inevitably will disagree on most things, and often ferociously. But they can stand together on the principle that governments should not permit the wage-crushing exploitation of foreign labor.

    Will they? Will they disagree on most things? Ferociously?We can stand together on white nativist fear mongering?

    What about all the jobs white boys won’t do? What about the churches that can’t keep ’em in line? Are we back in 1950?

    A cross-ideological coalition to support an immigration moratorium is desperately needed. Increasingly resentful taxpayers and American workers, and not just whites, pay the tab for immigration. Along with reading Marx on immigration, contemporary Leftists should consider Philip Cafaro’s recent book, How Many Is Too Many?: The Progressive Argument for Reducing Immigration into the United States.

    What about the taxpayers?! OMG Federal money is completely free! Just ask the Defense Industry.

    How many are too many?! Who here knew Marx and Engels were arguing for U.S. Republicans?

    Leftists: Please change your minds. It’s been proven Republicans can’t!

    Southern U.S. immigration is about the War on Drugs as an instrument of military oppression to destroy democracy in favor of key U.S. business interests and the New World Order everyone here is always jerking off about.

    There is no ethical or moral center to the shiite that’s published here! It’s beyond good and evil. It’s just pulled out of butts.

    This author is has escaped a assisted-care facility.

    What’s his name…? Horowitz?
    HOLY SHIITE!
    ***INVASION ALERT

  87. anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    VDare..You miss the Demographic/Political/Electoral part..The Capitalists oligarchs read Marx also..They turned him over his head..Marx also warned against RACE as a dividing tool of the capitaliist classes as well as religion, language, ethnicity etc. The DEM open borders fanatics bring into the USA thousand of illegal laborers, they UNleash them into the Economy and then the same DEM go blind over their wages, working conditions, child labaor, health, education etc. While at the same time cutting the rich owners taxes…NOW the operataion si much more sophisticated illegal workers are given temporary work visas..them they receive ELECTORAL registration ballots..those that failed to answer are threaten with deportation..its a well calculated operataion to dislodge Native Born citizens and to use the illegal laborers as political proxies..

  88. Lochearn says:

    Carl, your description of the Irish “Potato Famine” is complete English propaganda.

    By 1806 96% of the land had been taken at gunpoint by the English – compared to 97% Irish ownership of the land in 1600.

    Ireland starved because its food, from 40 to 70 shiploads per day, was removed at gunpoint by 12,000 British constables reinforced by the British militia, battleships, excise vessels, Coast Guard and by 200,000 British soldiers. It is a myth that Ireland had only potatoes:

    1845 – 3,251,907 quarters (8 bushels=1 quarter) of corn forcibly exported from Ireland to England

    1845 – 257,257 sheep forcibly exported to Britain

    1846 – 480,827 swine forcibly exported to Britain

    1846 – 186,383 0xen forcibly exported to England

    1847 – 4,000 ships carrying peas, beans, rabbits, salmon, honey and potatoes left Ireland for English ports

    1847 – 9,992 Irish cattle stolen and sent to England

    1847 – 4,000 Horses and Ponies stolen and sent to England

    1847 – Approximately 1,000,000 gallons of butter stolen and sent to England

    1847 – 400,000 Irish people died due to starvation

    (From: https://tlio.org.uk/land/land-rights-history/irish-holocaust-the-mass-graves-of-ireland/

    • Thanks: niceland
    • Replies: @Rich
    , @GomezAdddams
  89. @Schuetze

    You are off the point. Although Russia and China do not have any agreement of type of military pact Russia cannot allow China to sink.
    I do know and realize that Jews with their financial machinations and social engineering do and also did lot of harm around the world, but in some cases did some good.
    But in this case the subject have to be a very detailed analysis. So try to concentrate on details instead of generalizations supported by unverified quotes.
    Try to use your brain and speak to the point that is subject of the article.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  90. How many is too many?

    I would say anything over ten billion would be too many because we need at least one square foot to be able to stand without bumping into each other.

  91. ricpic says:

    There is no such thing as a multi-ethnic nation. A collection of peoples, yes. That is all that is possible when the person next to you is different than you in every way. Different appearance, different culture, different body language, different (if any) sense of humor. On and on. This is what The Left WANTS! The end of the United States as a nation. This is what the Left is engineering. Endless mass invasion by aliens. By hostiles. What is to come next? The Left DOESN’T CARE. The Left is all about DESTRUCTION.

    Yeats was right. The worst ARE full of passionate intensity. So they are winning. So they will win.

    Curtain down.

    • Agree: RestiveUs
  92. Seekers says:
    @utu

    Your comment is as incoherent as it is vile.

  93. But close ties between government and corporations, aka ‘crony capitalism’, have been common in the modern era. You can find the same relations in China, Russia, Japan, India, Turkey, Iran, and many other nations.

    Does that mean the US is just like those nations?

    Of course not. If anything, one ‘crony-capital’ country could be an enemy of another ‘crony-capital’ country. Iran vs Israel for instance.

    So, what distinguishes US from other nations with close ties between state and capital? It’s that the US is ruled by Jewish Supremacists. THAT factor makes the difference. US elite institutions and big industries are controlled by Jews, directly or indirectly(not least because Jews control the gods). So, the collusion of state and capital in the US(and West in general) goes to ultimately serve the Jewish agenda. That ethnic factor of US power is what really matters, not the generic fact that there are close ties between state and capital.

    So, the criticism that the US is ‘crony capitalist’ means nothing. The real question is WHO is controlling the connection between institutions and industries. That makes all the difference. Chinese control the connections in China. Putin’s circle control the connections in Russia. Jews control the connections in the US.

  94. raga10 says:
    @The worm that turned

    recent events in the USA look from where I am in Europe as an attempted Communist takeover.

    Yeah well, if you define Communism as “upper class movement for billionnaires” then I guess it does look that way. The trouble is, that is not a part of any actual definition of Communism that I’m aware of.

    That’s why definitions matter: you can’t have sensible conversation about anything when you use the same words to mean completely different things.

    • Agree: niceland
    • Disagree: Raches
    • Replies: @Raches
  95. A severe labor scarcity must never be used as an excuse to import Hindus in India LEGALLY to America….

  96. A severe labor scarcity must never be used as an excuse to import Chinese in China LEGALLY to America…

    God Bless Socialist Labor Leaders Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers!!!!

    Bring back the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!!

  97. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    … the primordial Prussian Communist wrote …

    Hey Jew, he was a Jew, not a Prussian.

  98. raga10 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I’m for dropping the left/right labels permanently, irrespective of what they should, or should not, mean.

    I’m inclined to agree; especially in American context where “the left” has come to mean simply “slightly less extreme version of the same policies that the other side proposes”.

    Americans sometimes reply that this is correct understanding in their American context, to which I reply that no, it isn’t. The Left is not supposed to be defined by its position as relative to The Right – it is supposed to have its own agenda.

    Historically the name came about because in the French National Assembly the progressive faction sat on the left side of the hall. That’s all it actually means.

  99. Ruckus says:
    @Ghastly Oik

    The Scots imo are a relatively defiant people due to their history of being mountainmen, which tends to breed tribalism. You see the same kind of general defiance in the Ulster Scots who largely populate the U.S. countryside. As an example, the Hatsfields and McCoys, both of Scots-Irish descent to my knowledge, had their bloody feuds, despite being in the same geographic area, due to the rugged terrain where they lived breeding intense tribalism.

  100. babu says:
    @A123

    Our people did not come to this country on Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria. Did not come on the Mayflower. Did not land on Plymouth Rock, the rock landed on us. Came here as dark skinned H1B workers and you expect that they should oppose immigration for the disenfranchisement of their own kind?

  101. IronForge says:

    Murica have roughly 330Million Residents of varying Citizenship Status.

    Plenty of Organic Growth – see for yourself who’re reproducing.

    Add Offshoring Jobs
    Add H-1bs
    Add OpenBorders

    No One in the WH or Congress have the Courage to Implement the Policies to suspend Immigration and force the Domestic Production of Goods and Services for the Murican Market.

  102. Rich says:
    @Lochearn

    Lesson to be learned – don’t lose the damn war. That’s what happens when you lose. I wonder, had the Irish populace left Roman Catholicism for the official Church of Ireland, would they have been treated just as badly? The way the Irish have deserted Mother Church recently, it would seem all those people starved for nothing.

  103. The British raped, pillaged, plundered and murdered their way across the length and breath of Ireland for many centuries, they made absolute shit of the place and a consequence of this was that the Irish poor had few good choices left to them,

    Emigration to Britain and indeed around the globe is almost an integral part of being Irish, even to this day,

    I have family in the UK myself now,

    We have always pushed out our poorest, and our best, which leaves us a beaten docket half nation, a portion of which (The Republic of Ireland) achieved a diluted form of independence a century ago and has demonstrably struggled to make much of itself since then,

    We have vaccine passports for indoor dining already in place here and a level of compliance with the covid narrative that is truly embarrassing,

    Brutalised countries and peoples take a long time to recover when subject to what the British crown subjected Ireland to.

    • Replies: @Rich
  104. Rich says:
    @Da's Reich

    Well, except for the roads, and the modern medicine and the education system and the legal system and modern technology and access to the colonies, other than that….The lesson is, don’t lose the war. Don’t abandon your country and move to the continent. Don’t invite a foreign king in to help settle internal disputes.

    • Replies: @Da's Reich
  105. Mike Tre says:
    @utu

    Jesus hated negroes. They’d listen to him preach for hours and never leave any coin in his fish basket.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  106. Mate says:

    “Irish were British subjects who could and did assimilate. If nothing else, they […] were ethnically close.”

    Not really. England’s North-South “wealth gap” is entirely rooted in ethnicity – not that you’ll hear that niggling bit from the standard huwhyte trashnalist.
    Most Irish men were – and still are – fat, boorish, drunken, potato-faced wastrels. Irish women are the biggest coal-burners in Europe (yes, even worse than Polish women).

    Here’s a game for you: whenever you see a “white woman” murdered by her buckaroo, note the names: nine times out of ten it’ll be a Sullivan, a Kelly, a Devaney, a Flanagan, a Maloney, Hogan, Murphy, O’Donnell, or an O’Connor. You get bonus points if the negro has an Irish surname as well, which they often do.

    • Replies: @Maxxx
  107. Jewish Moral Logic vs White Moral Logic.

    1. Jewish version: Diversity is good because it will replace and destroy whites, hee hee hee.

    2. White version: Diversity is bad because it will may hurt Jews, boo hoo hoo.

    Even when Jews do something to hurt whites, the only white argument is it must opposed because it might hurt Jews. White interests never come into play.

  108. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    i apologize. i’m a mean drunk. but idpol is the antithesis of left wing politics. the US simply does not have a left. idpol is a con of the vichy, corporate, dlc dems. mass media propaganda and likely soros and cia get idiots in the streets to protest for “black lives” but not to protest for universal healthcare or even the black murder rate. it’s professional wrestling. but most of america thinks it’s real. they don’t see the kayfabe. they’re brainwashed.

    the battle isn’t left vs right. it’s the 1% vs the 99%. or if you’re into antisemitism, it’s the 2% vs the 98%. but the kochs are just as evil as soros and they’re both in the 1%.

    democrats would celebrate the first transgendered slave owner. — jimmy dore.

  109. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    but it’s conceivable that some orthodox marxists think of the proletariat as global and believe that the proletariat of the developed world is guilty of “expropriation of surplus value” from that of the developing world. but in reality hardly any soi-disant marxists have ever read marx. or if they have, they haven’t understood him. just like all of marx’s haters.

    iceland has the highest rate of unionization in the world. it’s no coincidence that it’s small and homogeneous. it was the only country to send its banksters to prison. it’s as close to a workers’ paradise as any. size and diversity are the enemy of the proletariat.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  110. Raches says:
    @raga10

    Jumping in here on niceland’s reference from another thread:

    Yeah well, if you define Communism as “upper class movement for billionnaires” then I guess it does look that way. The trouble is, that is not a part of any actual definition of Communism that I’m aware of.

    The trouble is, you may be unaware of some political history—and of the deceptive nature of Communism.  It is naïf to take at face value the overt ideologies of a subversive, conspiratorial, ruthlessly pragmatic political movement—an international movement which has been dominated by Jews since Karl Marx himself, and which has always enjoyed the quiet, very generous support of bankers.

    For example, Jewish Wall Street banker Jacob Schiff spent out of pocket approximately the present-day equivalent of \$2 billion to support the Communist revolutionary overthrow of the Czar.  That is grand-scale “terrorist financing”!  However, nota bene that the only racial Jew depicted below is Karl Marx:  All five of the major American Capitalists thereby perceived as supporting Communism were Gentiles, actually or putatively—and I know of semi-plausible, unproved allegations of crypto-Jewry against only one of them.

    I will follow up later with a reply to self here, with a bit more information.  For now, I will establish at the threshold that the connection between the evil twins of Communism and Capitalism has been discussed in the United States for at least 110 years.

    This is by its nature a visual thing.  With due apologies to those who, as I, prefer plain text, I will embed the source citation and explanation in the graphic.  Stuff like this gets copied passed around the Internet without any source info, and I want for the explanation to travel with this old political cartoon:

    To be continued… ®

  111. Schuetze says:
    @Zarathustra

    LOL. Yet another Russian lashing out because he is ashamed of his country and its history of being such a willing and easy mark for Judeo-Communists like Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and Marx. Of course all of them were either Jews or Crypto-Jews, and all of them were Freemasons. But idiot Russians simply are incapable of connecting the dots.

    Marx and the rest of his fellow travelers never cared a bit about the “Proletariat”. It was always just pablum for useful idiots like Zarathustra. Marxism, Communism, Maoism, call it what ever you like, was never about anything but Jewish ownership of all property and the enslavement of the goyim. The hidden hand in the title picture explains it all, Marxism was always about a hidden agenda. Mass immigration was a tool added to their tool box after the goyim had been demoralized.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  112. @Trinity

    You are a fucking idiot. I wouldn’t believe you if you were right. Broken clocks are right twice a day. This ain’t one of those times.

  113. @Ace

    You are so stupid. Like so many stupid clotbrains on here, you don’t even know what I’m talking about. Stop typing. You can’t read. What you say is irrelevant nonsense.

  114. @Briggs

    You are an incredible shithead moron.

    I hope you get real poor. I pray it. You’ll learn your lesson, you dumb mook.

  115. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    marx was wrong that capitalists don’t do anything. he was right that they don’t do much. and then there are all the “social issues”.

    this is why the 1% vs the 99% isn’t exactly left vs right.

    in a genuine democracy the 99% might opt for social democracy rather than democratic socialism. and there is a difference.

  116. @Schuetze

    You are beyond help.
    You know what is shill ? (Monkey on the shoulder)

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  117. Weaver says:
    @Robert Dolan

    They were behind the 1965 push. There is tremendous, unrelenting hatred for whites, above anyone else, from that community. I just say, WASP classical liberalism is also bad. We have a revolving door of corruption in our government, between public and private sectors. And our system has empowered them, once they arrived.

    I think the original Jews here didn’t hate us as much, but I dunno that it matters to distinguish who did what. They traditionally seem to have just blamed everything on Europeans. And they weaponize their history, distort it to record that only bad things have been done against them for no reason, leading to the raw anti-white hatred of today.

    If you ask a Jew about some event in history, and many are nice people of course, they’ll tell you their relative told them such and such. They don’t even trust outside sources. It’s quite unusual. They get their children, who can be otherwise good people, to believe a warped history. Plus, they adopt dual morality. They don’t practice dual morality necessarily, but it’s in the religion.

    But whites need to correct our own flaws to survive, in my view. Hammers figure what needs to be done; anvils complain. That’s the point I want to make.

  118. Weaver says:

    On topic, Marx supported free trade, because it would hasten the revolution, tear down the old divisions, leading to a united, global worker revolution. So, maybe modern Marxists view open borders in the same way. They want to destroy everything, make us all into a mass precariat, then the reality sets in. Instead of uniting to overthrow our masters, we just serve them. True Trotskyite Marxism. We think we’re working towards freedom, but then the chains are added.

    This is why I suspect the woke Marxists are the true Marxists. They want mankind in total, perpetual enslavement.

  119. Weaver says:
    @anon

    Why did Marx say he supported free trade then? He would want to crush Iceland. M wanted a global movement.

    You say it’s the wrong way to help workers; I believe Marx didn’t want to actually help workers.

    https://www.panarchy.org/engels/freetrade.html

    • Replies: @anon
  120. Weaver says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I’ve been told Marx developed the term, “capitalism.” So, it’s a pejorative, but conservatives were arguing against such policies as we call capitalism previously. Political words in a democracy seem designed to hinder and direct thought, to confuse, and to divide. But we do need language.

    GK Chesterton tears into capitalism fiercely in his “Outline for Sanity” (not an exact quote bc on tablet) : “‘What are we coming to with all this Bolshevism?’ It is equally relevant to add, ‘What are we coming to, even without Bolshevism?’ The obvious answer is-Monopoly. It is certainly not private enterprise.” Later down he writes, “It exists to prevent private enterprise.”

    New words, and they’ll just be newly redefined. But it can be good to try.

    There is a certain meaning, for me, to the word “conservative,” for what it matters. The ideas have value to me, but they’re not the only political concept I value.

    I believe classical liberalism as well as socialism are both lies meant to trick the common people, the simple people. We’re promised things that aren’t true, and the simple come to believe in those promises, like a religion.

    To start over means new books, or a different set of the old. I don’t believe Marx cared for the poor. I believe he wanted to use the poor, as did the classical liberals. It’s a game, a battle. The simple are at a disadvantage. They can’t think for themselves, don’t have the education, the drive to learn, the confidence to think. Perhaps ability plays a part. They’re at the mercy of others, trusting those who claim to know better.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  121. Schuetze says:
    @Zarathustra

    LOL. I sometimes wonder what Russia would be like if the Sabbatean-Marxists hadn’t gulag’d all the best Russians, and what the world would be like as well. Of course if the Marxists hadn’t eliminated all the best Russians, there would have been some real leaders in the government and the military, instead of the psycopathic murderers that the remaining Russian untermensch still idolize. Those real Russian officers would not have allowed the “Red Army” to rape and murder its way across Europe. Those real Russian officers likely would never have allowed the Jewish Freemason Stalin to invade Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Bessarabia and Manchuria in 1939-40, starting WWII.

    Yes, the world is a much worse place for the Sabbatean-Marxists having eliminated the best Russians and having left us with the dregs, who are so effortlessly ruled by jews.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  122. Weaver says:
    @Weaver

    I erred posting so much. I didn’t know my earlier comments went through. But while I might be simple as well, I know enough to see these ideologies as a disease, not a blessing. I understand there’s a need for a political class that can become more than simple, to protect the simple. But who can be trusted to be master? If no one, then we’re back to force and conquest, subjugation. Older ideas considered this problem in different ways.

    Applied Socialism wants to offer a political class “for the people,” but what tie is there between international worker and his international master? It’s then a relationship of subjugation. Calls for the workers taking charge make as much sense as the AnCaps discussing anarchy. It’s then a trick, a lie. In the end, we all get a master, be he good or bad. We can try different ways to balance power, encourage good; but it’s different from how the ideologies promise.

  123. Maxxx says:
    @Mate

    I agree. I read recently about a 61 year old burner from Rome Georgia that married a black 37 years younger and what was her name? Cheryl McGregor. The Irish are the literal turds of Europe. The British should have done their job right and genocided every single one of them.

  124. @Lochearn

    You are absolutely 100% correct —the English robbed Ireland blind.

  125. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Weaver

    did you actually read the link?

    try harder mein herr.

  126. @Schuetze

    I do agree with most of what you did write. Jews did kill all Russian Nobility and Intelligentsia, and even some scientists.
    It was cruel and great loss for Russia. But Russia was a backward country stagnating.
    Russia did loose the war in far east with Japan and also kept loosing the war with Germany.
    The revolution was inevitable.
    I do suspect that most excesses in revolution were caused by fanatical Jews But nothing is proven.
    But we do have a hint in Stalin’s action when he eventually turned against the Jews and was arresting the Jews “an mass”.
    Shortly after Stalin’s death Jews invented this “Cult of personality” and started propaganda presenting
    Stalin as most evil person ever walking on the surface of the Earth.
    Some people on this site still believe in this Jewish propaganda.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  127. Schuetze says:
    @Zarathustra

    “Shortly after Stalin’s death Jews invented this “Cult of personality” and started propaganda presenting Stalin as most evil person ever walking on the surface of the Earth.”

    If the Jews had “invented” the cult of personality, why would they present him as evil? That is an illogical contradiction.

    Do you deny the millions that Stalin sent to the gulags? What about his role in the Holodomor and other massacres of his opposition, including his purges on the eve of Barbarossa?

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @Zarathustra
  128. @Wielgus

    I know that! but somehow my loathing for the Times forces the error. I’ve done it before,

  129. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Schuetze

    Being a collective of sociopaths due to systematic childhood trauma and subsequent brainwashing, ((Jews)) use and promote ethnicities, people, nations, ideologies etc. situationally and opportunistically. As history proceeds, when these individuals and peoples and ideologies are no longer useful to the Zionist agenda, or become inconvenient to their self-certain, cosmically and racially “chosen” (perfect) narrative, they throw them under the bus.

    They did this with Stalin, and they did this for example to “conservative” George W. Bush, who was useful to the ((Jews)) and neocons when they carried out 9/11 to get America into the “War on Terror”/war against Muslims. Their man Obama (financed by the ((Pritzkers)) and other wealthy ((Jews)) and promoted by “liberal” MSM) ran against the War on Terror once it proved to be a nominal failure, but as president maintained it in deed by knocking off Libya, trying to knock off Syria, and trying to knock off Putinist Russia.

    Bush, however, was already implicated in treason, and being vested in Zionism, had to continue down the treasonous path. This is why he’s currently cursing America Firsters. Trump, too, has been implicated in Zionist treason, and is trying to lead America Fisters into dead ends (being convinced that the Zionists hold all the cards).

    The ((Jewish)) narrative changes and evolves according to need. What remains the same is its claims that the ((Jews)) are perfect and infallible and destined to rule the world, when in fact — being brainwashed sociopaths, delusionally convinced of their superiority and their ordained license — they’re destined to ruin the world if left unchecked and allowed to continue to run amok.

    When the West lost its “anti-Semitic” Christian bearings, it gave them the opening they needed to implement the insane Zionist plan. But it only lost its Christian bearings because useful idiots allowed the ((Jews)) to maneuver it into wars, and hyper materialistic ideologies like Communism and Imperialism.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  130. @Schuetze

    You are pushing Jewish propaganda I cannot decide if you are pushing Jewish propaganda consciously, or you are just dumb.
    Stalin was not Lenin. Lenin was educated philosopher,theoretician in many subjects.
    Stalin had a leadership personality But his head was empty he did not understand practically anything.
    So he was easily controlled by Jews, who were giving him ideas. But he eventually even with his depressed wit, he realized that Jews are making fool of him, he really did hit back hard.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  131. It’s hilarious to read commenters here tying themselves up in knots about whether Marx was a Marxist, or what he really meant, or what he really really intended. They have no bearing on the contextual problem that Horowitz, in his role as yet another stupid conservative, reveals without ever realizing it.

    “The reason the right always loses to the left is that the right is trying to defeat moral claims with facts. This can never happen. Often, the appeal of the moral claim is that it seems to fly in the face of reality. Faith requires sacrifice, and there can be no greater spiritual sacrifice than to hold on to a belief in the face of reality. In this regard, the right’s arguments serve only to strengthen the moral certainty of the left.” Z-man

    Read the rest at
    https://www.takimag.com/article/27390/

  132. @Rich

    Who knows how Ireland would have developed without the British and indeed as Adolf Hitler said about the British empire, that when you are building something you have ‘Shavings’,

    So that’s us Irish – ‘shavings’,

    The thing is though that there is no way around the truth of how Britain treated Ireland and the Irish, and to describe it as despicably is being kind,

    Probably the worst part of British rule was the inculcation of a self hatred into the Irish people that rages to this day, but sure how else can a colonial power justify what they are doing to some native population other than by insisting that the natives are an inferior breed and so deserve the rule of their betters,

    you mention the “roads, and the modern medicine and the education system and the legal system and modern technology and access to the colonies

    Are you suggesting that left to our own devices we would never have such things as roads and schools etc,

    Of course there were advantages to British rule, the English language being the most obvious one but even with the benefit of using a world language came the other side of the balance sheet which was the loss of our own language and all that goes with that,

    Ireland today, as I said in my previous post, is a beaten docket with no real sense of itself, a country that hasn’t even worked out that it never achieved its freedom from British rule and will remain stuck where it is forevermore unless it wakes up, and I ain’t holding my breath,

    Those who fought for freedom from 1916 – 1922 were a tiny minority, scoffed at by the majority of little englanders that even now constitute the bulk of the people.

    The people of Dublin are referred to as ‘Jackeens’ or ‘The Jacks’ which came from a visit of Queen Victoria to Dublin in 1849, only four years after the genocide that is referred to as the ‘Famine’ and they were given the name because of their enthusiastic waving of the Union Jack in honour of their queen,

    As I said, we are a beaten docket nation, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Rich
  133. Schuetze says:
    @Zarathustra

    “[Stalin] really did hit back hard.”

    He sure did. Think Katyn Forest. He murdered millions of Poles, Finns, Estonian, Latvians, Lithuanians and especially Ukrainians. He murdered millions of Russians and sent millions more to the Gulag to die.

    If he was following Jew orders, and Stalin was a crypto jew and a Freemason anyway, then please identify precisely which jews were ordering, or “influencing” him. Don’t scrimp on supporting links to videos, blogs or even wiki.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  134. @Schuetze

    Baby feeding spoon just fell of the table. I am not gona pick it up again anymore.

  135. Rich says:
    @Da's Reich

    Having abandoned the Church and selling itself to the Europeans, there won’t be an Ireland in 50 years. A small country like Ireland won’t be able to assimilate the massive number of refugees the EU has in store for it. For all England did to Ireland, the Irish remained genetically Irish, how much black blood will it take to destroy this unique people?
    I can’t help but wonder how much better the British Isles would be today if conservative Ireland had listened to the West Britainers and remained part of the UK.

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