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I’m going to post my commentary below as I listen to the show.

Andrew Anglin (2:58): According to Andrew Anglin, there are “a hundred different viruses” that cause the flu and 7% to 15% are coronaviruses. In reality, there are seven coronaviruses that infect humans. There are four common coronaviruses that cause the common cold which aren’t the viruses that cause the flu. The other three coronaviruses are SARS-CoV (SARS), MERS-CoV (MERS) and SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). Both SARS and MERS cause acute respiratory disease. The former had a case fatality rate of 11%. The latter had a case fatality rate of 35%. The current global case fatality rate of COVID-19 is 19%.

It is true that the viruses which cause the common cold and the flu are constantly mutating as they move through the population year after year. This is why we are always coming up with new flu vaccines. This isn’t the same thing as a novel virus which is a virus that has never been seen before. The H1N1 virus, for example, which caused the 2009 swine flu pandemic isn’t a novel virus. It is the same virus that caused the Spanish Flu a century ago. SARS-CoV-2 wasn’t infecting humans until last year.

COVID-19 is not the flu. It is a disease which is caused solely by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The flu is caused by influenza viruses which is a different family of viruses with a completely different genus and species and subtypes that also circulates in birds and pigs. COVID-19 is not “just the flu.” It is a version of SARS which is a more familiar disease to Asians than Europeans. It is a different coronavirus that has jumped into humans from the same type of Chinese bat through either a natural or unnatural process.

Andrew Anglin (3:43): COVID-19 does not have the same symptoms or clinical course as the flu. There are similarities and differences. Both can cause fever, cough and fatigue. Both can result in pneumonia although with the flu this is usually a secondary bacterial infection. In contrast, SARS-CoV-2 attacks not only the lungs, but also the heart, the intestines, the brain, your liver and kidneys. It gets into your eyes. It causes blood clotting. It attacks the nervous system which is why people commonly lose their sense of taste and smell. The flu doesn’t normally kill people by causing strokes and heart attacks.

Andrew Anglin (3.48): COVID-19 and the flu do not have the same death rate. The current crude case fatality rate in the United States (this is a moving target because 4/5ths of confirmed cases are unresolved) is 5.67%. The common flu has a death rate of 0.1%.

Andrew Anglin (4:16): Andrew Anglin doesn’t know the difference between the case fatality rate (CFR) and the infection fatality rate (IFR) either. He jumbles the two together. They are not the same thing. The CFR measures deaths to confirmed cases. The IFR measures deaths to total infections. The latter is a lower number than the former.

Andrew Anglin (4:42): According to the CDC, 61,000 people are estimated to have died in the 2017/2018 flu season. This is not a body count of confirmed deaths. It is an estimate based on pneumonia data. This was the worst flu season in 40 years because we had a particularly brutal winter. In contrast, only 24,000 people have died of the flu in the 2019/2020 flu season.

As of March 1, 2020, a total of 4 people had died of the coronavirus. By March 15, 2020, only 65 people had died of coronavirus. It will be time to compare the death toll of the 2017/2018 flu season to COVID-19 on March 1, 2021. In the span of 45 days, over 57,000 Americans have died of COVID-19.

This chart which compares the 2017/2018 flu season to COVID-19 is a bit dated. The spike is even more dramatic now. This is what it roughly looks like though when 57,000 deaths are crammed into a month and a half. Notice how at the absolute peak of the 2017/2018 flu season that roughly 1,600 people died in a week which is a rate of about 228 people dying a day that week. Compare that rate to yesterday which was a relatively slow day in the middle of spring when only 1,384 Americans died of COVID-19. It is not normal for over a 1,000 people a day to die of the flu much less 2,000 people which is even more than heart disease and cancer which are the leading causes of death in the United States.

Andrew Anglin (4:57): We had the flu this year and 24,000 people died of it before a 45 state national lockdown. That’s because large swathes of the population are either immune to the flu or have been vaccinated and besides it only has a 0.1% case fatality rate. Over twice as many people have already died this year of COVID-19. At this point in the 2017-2018 flu season, all of 119 people died in the week ending on April 28th. It was 153 people the week before that. It was 214 the week before that.

Andrew Anglin (5:05) The death toll is not in the “average range” of a flu season. These deaths are also distributed evenly across the country over the course of the fall and winter.

Even Donald Trump agrees:

“THE PRESIDENT: Well, you have to make the decision. Look, we lose thousands — I brought some numbers here. We lose thousands and thousands of people a year to the flu. We don’t turn the country off — I mean, every year.

Now, when I heard the number — you know we average 37,000 people a year. Can you believe that? And actually, this year we’re having a bad flu season. But we lose thousands of people a year to the flu. We never turn the country off. We lose much more than that to automobile accidents. We didn’t call up the automobile companies and say, “Stop making cars. We don’t want any cars anymore.” We have to get back to work.”

Andrew Anglin (5:14): The current death toll is an undercount because it includes people who died either in a hospital or a nursing home with a confirmed positive test result. It doesn’t include people who died at home without a test. The exception is New York City which includes about three thousand presumed positive deaths. The spike in mortality in March and April is far greater than confirmed coronavirus deaths. In any case, this isn’t comparable to the 61,000 people who the CDC says died in the 2017/2018 flu season because that is only an estimate based on pneumonia deaths, not a body count. There will be an estimate for COVID-19 too.

Andrew Anglin (5:25): The case fatality rate of COVID-19 varies dramatically from country to country. In Iceland, the case fatality rate is 0.55%. In Sweden, which is held up as a model by Andrew Anglin, it is 12%. It is 5.67% in the United States. It is 13.5% in Italy and 13.4% in the UK.

How do we explain this difference? In countries like the United States, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Spain, Italy, France and so forth, there is widespread community transmission of the virus. Iceland is a small country which tested and caught imported cases and stopped community transmission of the virus through contract tracing. In contrast, Donald Trump and his donors decided to “ride it out” and treat it as “just the flu” and testing in the United States was almost non-existent for six weeks in February and early March. The case fatality rate is lower in Iceland and New Zealand because they stopped it.

Andrew Anglin (5:58): The CFR of COVID-19 in the UK is 13.36%, not 0.12%. Perhaps Anglin is confusing the CFR with the IFR again?

Andrew Anglin (6:29): There is a legitimate scientific debate going on about various studies that have come out regarding antibodies tests and how reliable these studies are and the tests are which is currently raging. The Stanford study that everyone has heard about from John Ioannidis has been heavily criticized for various sampling and mathematical errors.

Even if the most promising of these studies which is the one out of New York City is true, an IFR of 1% is 10x as deadly as the flu, which would make sense given that the current death toll of 16,673 in New York City is far beyond anything ever seen with the ordinary flu. Also, if 21.1% of New York City residents have coronavirus antibodies (assuming the test is flawless and accurate), the city is still nowhere near the 70% that would be required to achieve herd immunity.

“Just on Thursday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced the preliminary—unpublished—results of an antibody test in the state, which included finding that 21.1 percent of New York City residents may have been infected with the virus. New York City is known to be heavily hit by the pandemic, which has overwhelmed its healthcare system.

Though much of the details of the statistics are not yet known, the state health department noted that the antibody test used (which is different from the one used for the California studies) had an estimated specificity of 93 percent to 100 percent. That suggests that estimated prevalence might still be too high. Still, even with the estimate reported by Gov. Cuomo, the figures would put New York City’s IFR around one percent—10-times higher than seasonal flu.”

If the ordinary flu and COVID-19 actually have the same death rate, why doesn’t COVID-19 kill a similar number of New Yorkers?

Andrew Anglin (7.30): What percentage of the American population has comorbidities? How many people are old? How many people are obese? How many have diabetes or hypertension? Ultimately, it doesn’t matter because all these people died above (see illustration) from the same cause which is the disease that killed them all at once all over the world.

Those people wouldn’t have died if the coronavirus didn’t cause the swelling of the arteries that led to a heart attack, a blood clot that caused them to have a stroke or whether they suffocated to death and drowned in their own fluids from severe pneumonia because the air sacs in their lungs had been pulverized by COVID-19. That’s like saying the Americans who died on 9/11 didn’t die of the Twin Towers falling on them. They died with the Twin Towers falling on them. It is a crucial difference!

PART 2

Andrew Anglin (1:18): Andrew Anglin claims the lockdown has increased the infection rate for the virus in New York City. If that were true, then confirmed cases and deaths wouldn’t be falling in New York City. The R0 of the virus would have increased and would have shown up two weeks later. Instead, the peak of the chaos in New York City was April 7 which is 14 days after the lockdown began on March 22. New York is only reporting 243 deaths today because the lockdown worked and the virus has peaked.

Andrew Anglin (2:30): China locked down and quarantined Wuhan and Hubei province on January 23. The lockdown wasn’t lifted until the first week of April. In late January and early February, the CCP declared a People’s War on the virus and 780 million Chinese – nearly half the population of China – were locked down in multiple cities until the virus declined for 14 consecutive days. China has actually ridiculed people like Anglin as fools for wanting to Reopen America so soon.

Watch below:

Andrew Anglin (2:41): The U.S. Surgeon General pushed the “don’t wear masks” bullshit because of the supply shortage in the United States. The masks were needed for health care workers. It was always false but that was the reason. This was pointed out by smart people at the time.

Andrew Anglin (2:53): Lockdowns have succeeded i n eradicating the virus in New Zealand. China quelled its outbreak by locking down over half of its population. The lockdowns have succeeded everywhere in bringing down the R0 of the virus which is why the virus has peaked in Italy and Spain.

Andrew Anglin (3:17): The economy hasn’t collapsed in China which has emerged from its lockdown. It took a hit and has recovered somewhat in March and April. New Zealand is also emerging from its lockdown. The economy has also taken a hit there, but the virus has been eradicated. The economic pain in the United States will be far more severe BECAUSE Donald Trump spent six weeks downplaying the virus as “just the flu” and we have over a million confirmed cases now. Unfortunately, the coronavirus didn’t “disappear like a miracle” in April after the decision was made to “ride it out.”

Andrew Anglin (4:02): Where was the concern about small businesses and the middle class between late January when the Trump administration declared a public health emergency and early March when Donald Trump and FOX News briefly started to take the virus seriously? There was no concern because it Dr. Jared Kushner had read on Wikipedia that there are coronaviruses which cause the common cold. Notice how different the outcome was in Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam and other nations which took the virus much more seriously.

Andrew Anglin (4:55): There is no sign of the Great Depression in China. Why is that? Isn’t capitalism superior to socialism?

Andrew Anglin (5:11): If we really gave up our freedoms and the Constitution, why are so many states reopening? How are they able to do that now that the Constitution has been suspended?

Andrew Anglin (5:33): We don’t know for a fact that the case fatality rate is the same as the flu. It is not even remotely close to the flu. It is now 5.67%.

Andrew Anglin (6:04): Why on earth would any American politician have an agenda of mass death, economic collapse and the destruction of freedom? Does that make any sense at all? Is that the record that any politician wants to run on when up for reelection?

Andrew Anglin (6:12): If the media is behind this conspiracy, why did the media originally push the “just the flu” narrative in late January and early February?

Andrew Anglin (6:19): The media has always attacked Donald Trump so nothing has changed on that front. Initially, the mainstream media pushed the “just the flu, bro” narrative before pivoting in late February. BTW, Andrew Anglin has totally reversed himself on the coronavirus like two or three times since January. That’s because the goal here isn’t to tell the truth about the coronavirus. It is simply to draw attention to himself.

Andrew Anglin (6:32): There is no “world government.” The WHO gives advice to nations which they can choose to follow or ignore. Australia and New Zealand followed the WHO’s advice. Donald Trump ignored it because Jared Kushner suspected in February the virus was being exaggerated.

Andrew Anglin (7:04): Actually, the WHO disagrees with Bill Gates on immunity passports, but understand the goal here is to misinform people so that they can be distracted, stirred up and manipulated.

Greg Johnson (18:17): Very good opening statement from Greg. I think the strongest point was that conservative liberals and liberals are ideologically committed to an open society. Therefore, it had to be the flu because it was inconceivable even for a month to break with liberal norms. We’ve seen with the Coronavirus Tea Party how they have dealt with it. Contrast the American response with China, Taiwan and New Zealand. It reflects cultural differences.

Greg Johnson (21:20): Greg Johnson is correct to bring up New Zealand and Taiwan. China is an even more instructive example. Unlike New Zealand and Taiwan, the outbreak originated in China. The Chinese didn’t have months to prepare for the arrival of the virus like Donald Trump. Every country in the world outside of China like its neighbors Vietnam and Mongolia got the same information from the WHO. It wasn’t the WHO that advised Donald Trump that it was “just the flu.” Brazil is another country that has a coronavirus epidemic because Jair Bolsonaro has consistently downplayed and dismissed the threat posed by the virus. In contrast, only a few hundred people have died in Chile and Argentina. Venezuela isn’t even reporting any deaths from coronavirus. Ecuador has had a major outbreak. The countries in South America most inclined toward American neoliberalism have the largest outbreaks of coronavirus.

Greg Johnson (23:08): Donald Trump himself said that he was advised to “ride it out” and treat it “like the flu” in February by all the billionaires who he is constantly in communication with like Steve Schwarzman. It was the private equity and hedge fund billionaires who finance Trump who are responsible for the “just the flu” narrative. Don’t forget either how he ignored months of intelligence reports that actually it wasn’t the flu. American intelligence agencies told Israel that it wasn’t the flu in November.

Here is the smoking gun:

Greg Johnson (23:57): Good point about how the coronavirus has grounded all the globalists who are constantly flying all over the world. Suddenly, it became a big deal almost overnight because the realization hit the brighter parts of our political class that HOLY SHIT THIS COULD AFFECT US. LMAO at the conspiracy theorists who believe this is what THEY wanted. This is pretty much the last thing that cosmopolitan liberals wanted. The Deep State has been trying to get rid of Trump for years because he is a moron who was perceived as a threat to the stability of the system.

Andrew Anglin (27:25): The Imperial College report that 2.2 million Americans could die of coronavirus was the scenario that assumed no social distancing or lockdowns took place and it was allowed to run through the population until herd immunity was achieved.

Andrew Anglin (27:32): The scenario in which 120,000 to 220,000 people died comes from the IMHE model which is constantly updated with new data and the main reason it was off is because California went into a lockdown so early. In early April, it dropped the projection to 60,000, but that was clearly too optimistic and we are about to surpass that number of deaths. The model also only runs to August. It changes and spits out new numbers when new data comes in like any weather model.

Andrew Anglin (27:37): We’re not looking at “a normal flu season.” Instead, we are going to blow past the 2017/2018 flu season death toll estimate here shortly in the next couple of days. Donald Trump liked the IHME model because it was the most optimistic of all the COVID-19 models.

Andrew Anglin (28:00): Anglin doesn’t know the difference between the CFR and the IFR. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. The IFR of the New York City antibodies study showed it was 10x as deadly as the flu.

Andrew Anglin (28:36): Andrew Anglin believes the ordinary flu has forced all 6 members of the UN Security Council into a lockdown and has taken aircraft carriers out of commission and wiped trillions of dollars in wealth off the markets. Makes a lot of sense. THEY wanted it to happen!

Andrew Anglin (28:48): The CDC hasn’t stopped recording flu and pneumonia deaths. Feel free to visit their website.

Andrew Anglin (29:14): If we included all 380 people who died of the flu in Week 15 (an average of 54 people a day), how much would the death toll be inflated? So dumb.

Andrew Anglin (30:06): A pretty mild flu season would be significantly under >37,000 deaths over a year long period. 12,000 people died in the 2011/2012 flu season.

Andrew Anglin (30:30): If the vast majority of the population is locked in their homes before they are exposed to the virus, they won’t acquire it and transmit it to their family members, which is why the R0 is driven down by lockdowns and quarantines. This insight into the nature of infectious diseases was known centuries ago before it was forgotten by libertarians.

Andrew Anglin (30:44): Has anyone told Andrew Anglin that we are almost at the beginning of May and not in the middle of a brutal winter? Ecuador has a large outbreak. It is 2 degrees from the equator.

Andrew Anglin (31:30): The governor of New Jersey was correct to distinguish between an emergency situation and normal times. 6,442 people have died in New Jersey from COVID-19 even with a lockdown. In contrast, 1,000 died from the flu and pneumonia this year. Follow the link to see just how off the media was about the nature of the threat.

Andrew Anglin (32:09): A strong government doesn’t make any sense to conservative liberals and libertarians on ideological grounds. Elsewhere in the world, it made sense and the epidemic was stopped in its tracks.

Andrew Anglin (32:21): How did this “lunacy” work out in Australia and New Zealand? 84 and 19 people have died there respectively from it. Perhaps they should have followed our example? Only 58,682 people have died from COVID-19 here. The president is so stupid that he asks his public health advisers about whether it is possible for Americans to inject disinfectant into their bodies to cure the virus.

Andrew Anglin (32:44): Anglin says it is “over now.” We have 831,648 active confirmed cases of coronavirus. I see another 1,885 people are dead. Clearly, it is a long way from being over.

Andrew Anglin (32:55): This is another lie. Birx put together the official federal guidelines on reopening the country.

Andrew Anglin (33:20): There is no agenda to create a new society. The governors have shut down their states. The public health experts only make recommendations. The WHO doesn’t have any enforcement power either. It makes recommendations. All it does is give advice.

Andrew Anglin (35:06): Meat packing plants are closing down because the virus is flourishing in those working conditions, not because the government has shut those plants down.

Greg Johnson (35:26): As Greg points out here, the fact that the Trump administration is incompetent doesn’t mean that “government” is incompetent. It just means that our particular government is incompetent and our culture is incapable of handling the challenge. Vietnam’s government didn’t have any problem stopping the virus.

Greg Johnson (39:46): The death rate of confirmed cases in the United States has recently come down from 37% to 30%. After 1 million closed confirmed cases globally though, the death rate is 19% which is even worse than SARS, which was 11%. The sample size here is 1,169,114 confirmed cases of COVID-19 which had a known outcome.

Andrew Anglin (40:34): The death toll might still be over 100,000. The IHME model only out to August and said nothing about the fall and winter. Even still, if 19% of our current 834,502 confirmed active cases end in death, which is the global average after a million closed cases, it would mean 158,555 deaths IN ADDITION to the current death toll.

Andrew Anglin (41:11): Anglin says he prefers 2.2 million deaths of elderly and obese people to lockdowns.

Andrew Anglin (41:37): After saying he is fine with 2.2 million deaths, Anglin says the problem is that Bill Gates coming up with a vaccine!

Andrew Anglin (43:45): Anglin says the government will never give us back any of our rights. This is why the lockdowns are expiring, right? Even Wuhan in China which was the epicenter of the outbreak isn’t locked down anymore.

Andrew Anglin (44:10): Anglin says we are witnessing the NWO create a global government. No, we are witnessing the Trump administration reject the advice of the WHO in favor of “riding it out” because it is “just the flu.” Every country has gone in its own reaction. In the United States, there hasn’t even been a unified response from the federal government!

Greg Johnson (45:39): Even in South America, it was the countries which are more supportive of American neoliberalism – Brazil under Bolsonaro and Ecuador – where thousands of people have died of coronavirus. The coronavirus isn’t killing people so much as liberal ideology. Just look at Andrew Anglin who said that 2.2 million deaths are acceptable or DP84 who said that even 100 million deaths are acceptable. This is your brain on liberalism!

Andrew Anglin (49:18): Ebola was a nothingburger because it was an extraordinarily lethal hemorrhagic fever that was easy to contain. This is an interesting analogy because Anglin himself claims that the IFR of COVID-19 is the same as the flu because he assumes millions of asymptomatic carriers for every patient who presents symptoms. The nature of this virus as opposed to Evola is why it isn’t treated the same way.

Andrew Anglin (50:06): Anglin asks why should we even try to stop the virus when it has infected 20% of the population in New York City according to the antibodies study? It is because herd immunity isn’t reached until 70% have been infected and there is no proof that other parts of New York much less the country have been exposed to that degree.

Andrew Anglin (50:20): Anglin says Cuomo is a crank for doing the lockdown. Yeah, whatever bud.

Andrew Anglin (50:53): The difference between the liberal and non-liberal on the subject of freedom boils down to this: non-liberals believe that freedom is just one good in a basket of goods. Liberals believe that freedom is the only good as a matter of principle and that our whole society should be based on it. This is why they are incapable of prioritizing public health over freedom in an emergency situation like a pandemic.

Andrew Anglin (51:07): OnlyFans is an example of individual freedom. Feminism is also an example of individual freedom.

Andrew Anglin (51:50): Most of our problems are the result of too much liberalism whether it comes in the form of too much freedom, too much equality, too much tolerance, too many rights, etc.

Andrew Anglin (54:20): Our government has gone insane because of liberalism. It has taken liberal values (freedom, equality, tolerance, individualism) to absurd extremes which has produced this result. Contrast our government with China which is not a liberal government. The Chinese aren’t being replaced in their own country by foreigners.

Andrew Anglin (54:44): It is great that so few people have died of coronavirus in Oregon. If it was up to truthers and conspiracy theorists like Andrew Anglin, the result would have been far different.

Andrew Anglin (56:05): According to Andrew Anglin, Gov. Greg Abbott maliciously shutdown Texas only to reopen it as of yesterday. Gov. Kay Ivey here in Alabama shutdown our state on April 3 only to announce it was reopening this afternoon.

MUH CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WILL NEVER COME BACK! Give me a break! These conservative governors publicly agonized for weeks over shutting down their states.

Andrew Anglin (56:24): Anglin doesn’t realize that the meat packing plants were never shutdown by the government. The virus has shut them down.

Andrew Anglin (1:00:01): The “permanent virus regime” doesn’t even exist in Wuhan in China where life is returning to normal. The lockdown in Texas didn’t even last a month. The lockdown is unwinding in Italy and Spain and Denmark and other European countries. New Zealand and Australia are coming out of a lockdown. This is pure batshit insane paranoid conspiracy theorist nonsense.

END FIRST HOUR

Andrew Anglin (1:00:09): There wasn’t any need for SARS or MERS vaccine because those viruses were easy to contain. COVID-19 has officially infected over 3 million people on 6 continents.

Andrew Anglin (1:01:00): BTW, schools check to see if children have been vaccinated.

Andrew Anglin (1:01:23): Lots of Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan already have these tyrannical technocratic solutions. The same is true of Australia which is rolling out a COVID-19 app.

Andrew Anglin (1:02:00): The tyrannical system described here is already commonplace in China and other East Asian countries. Also, the military is not in the streets and a black helicopter isn’t circling Anglin’s house.

Andrew Anglin (1:02:42): The largest outbreaks in Alabama are in Chambers County, AL and Dougherty County, GA were due to church services and funerals. So that is why they are doing it.

Andrew Anglin (1:04:00): Grocery stores like Publix are doing deliveries. LMAO.

Andrew Anglin (1:10:21): Anglin believes that the globalists wanted to wipe out White people with a virus that has disproportionately killed Jews, Hispanics and blacks and which has bankrupted the airlines. New Zealand’s lockdown only lasted a month. It simply eradicated the virus.

Andrew Anglin (1:11:50): In Australia and New Zealand, White people haven’t been completely destroyed. They haven’t been destroyed in Iceland either. The only countries where significant numbers of White people have died were the ones who were too liberal in dealing with the virus.

Andrew Anglin (1:12:33): Wuhan was the fentanyl capital of China until the coronavirus hit in January. THEY wanted it to happen!

Andrew Anglin (1:13:10): The coronavirus caused the EU to close its borders. It also exacerbated tensions between nations. The Italians don’t believe the EU did enough to help Italy.

Andrew Anglin (1:13:52): Isn’t Sweden an EU member? Why didn’t the EU force Sweden to comply with the lockdown? LOL this makes no sense.

Greg Johnson (1:15:56): Now we know why the Deep State was so hostile to Donald Trump. It was because he is a moron who was unprepared to handle a real crisis. Just open a vein and inject yourself with Lysol!

Andrew Anglin (1:18:18): Why am I wasting my time with this crank? Anglin thinks New York City has herd immunity because an antibodies study showed that 21% of the population had been exposed.

Andrew Anglin (1:18:49): New York City’s reported deaths aren’t anywhere close to the flu.

Andrew Anglin (1:19:00): Andrew Anglin fled to the Philippines to live in the jungle after high school in the 2000s because he was afraid the Reptilians and the NWO were trying to plant a microchip in his brain to create a “worldwide slave grid.” There was so much crackpot nonsense on his previous websites OutlawJournalism.com and RealitySituation.com that he tried to remove all trace of both from the internet.

Andrew Anglin (1:20:00): It goes without saying that the flu doesn’t send people into cardiac arrest and cause heart attacks.

Andrew Anglin (1:21:00): A huge number of people in Sweden already work from home anyway. The most important reason that New York City has been hit so hard by the virus is the subway system there. Los Angeles hasn’t been nearly as hard hit because more people drive.

Andrew Anglin (1:21:23): In the beginning, the media also framed it as “just the flu.”

Andrew Anglin (1:22:09): If COVID-19 was an extremely infectious virus but had a death rate similar to the flu, it would have killed as many people as H1N1. Obviously, that hasn’t happened.

Andrew Anglin (1:29:00): Andrew Anglin recently wrote an article that celebrated the death of the elderly. This is shocking in China. Anglin would rather sacrifice the elderly than disrupt the stock market.

Greg Johnson (1:30:00): I think the jury is still out on whether people who have antibodies to the virus can be reinfected.

Andrew Anglin (1:31:00): Every virus is not the same. The flu doesn’t kill T cells. SARS-CoV-2 kills T cells like HIV.

Andrew Anglin (1:34:39): The shills and conspiracy theorists are the ones who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy in this. Notice how they quit talking about “what about swine flu” several weeks ago. The COVID-19 death toll is already well past the range of being a nothingburger like H1N1 or Ebola and into the territory of “this is a serious problem.”

Greg Johnson (1:35:14): No one has starved to death from coronavirus. Economy doomerism isn’t supported by the data.

Andrew Anglin (1:35:54): The government hasn’t taken over the food supply chain. A few meat packing plants have been disrupted by the virus, not the government.

Andrew Anglin (1:39:24): We don’t know that 50x more people are infected than who have been confirmed to have the virus. At best, the IFR is still in dispute. We are still very early in this.

Andrew Anglin (1:41:48): China’s economy hasn’t been destroyed by the lockdown. New Zealand’s economy hasn’t been destroyed either.

Andrew Anglin (1:45:52): Aside from New York City, I don’t believe presumptive positive COVID deaths have been included in the official count. I’m pretty sure New York state hasn’t even included its numbers.

Andrew Anglin (1:48:16): If there is an “agenda” here, then Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba and all of the sworn enemies of Washington are also in on the secret plot. Perhaps all of these oil producing countries secretly wanted oil to be basically free?

Andrew Anglin (1:49:00): David Icke was Andrew Anglin’s mentor. He believed for years that the Reptilians were trying to implant a microchip in his brain.

Andrew Anglin (1:55:23): After saying earlier that 2.2 million deaths are acceptable and writing an article celebrating the death of the elderly as a blessing, Anglin “doesn’t want to come across as callous” in his closing statement.

Andrew Anglin (1:56:00): The hysterical predictions of catastrophic economic collapse stemming from lockdowns haven’t materialized in China or Australia and New Zealand. Singapore is now in a lockdown.

Andrew Anglin (1:56:13): Andrew Anglin is plainly taking a libertarian perspective. Rewind to 41;11 when he talks about his extreme position on liberty and individual rights. He said it was better for 2.2 million people to die in the United States than to have a lockdown like New Zealand.

Andrew Anglin (1:56:54): The people who are really suffering here are those who are sitting on their couch, not the people suffocating to death on their own bodily fluids after SARS-CoV-2 has shredded their lungs. Tyranny is having to order through the drive thru and not being able to dine in at McDonald’s. This is some of the dumbest and most selfish and ignorant shit I have ever heard.

/ end

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  1. SOL says:

    There are still people who take Anglin seriously? THanks for the fisking.

  2. g8way says:

    I think a key to the sophistry here is frequent references to “case fatality rate”, which is not a meaningful number in the current climate, and is understandably dismissed by Anglin, who is interested in the likelihood of someone dying if they get infected, which most studies are showing is on the order of 0.1% for the population, which is of the same order of magnitude as the flu, so any suggestion there would a be risk of anywhere near a million Americans dying if not for government intervention would be ludicrous.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, AaronInMVD
    • Replies: @Hail
  3. I’m sitting here having a delicious meal and a fine pilsner in Stockholm. What’s wrong with your people? Are you nuts?

  4. Tusk says:

    Anglin is a nutcase – no surprise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. Hail says: • Website
    @g8way

    the likelihood of someone dying if they get infected, which most studies are showing is on the order of 0.1% for the population, which is of the same order of magnitude as the flu

    Right. The actual rate may not even reach 0.1% everywhere, but will respond to local conditions. In conditions less favorable to the virus, it’s likely <0.05%; in some places, it could be near 0.1%, or in worst-case places it may even exceed 0.15%. That is what the randomized studies are saying. Nowhere are we seeing anything particularly alarming. The original data was a fiasco based in large part on innumeracy (triggering a Panic for nothing). The other guilty parties are well known by now, but most disappointing to me has been the cavalcade of opportunists, of which I am sad to say that Hunter Wallace is one.

    _______________

    There remains no evidence that there is anything unusual about this particular flu-virus strain, except the media hype. Here is the now-almost-complete epidemic arc for Sweden:

    The space between the vertical lines are seven-day periods, starting Sundays. You can see that the epidemic’s “hit” lasts three weeks, exactly as expected for a flu-virus strain; a typical epidemic, not a Zombie Apocalypse. The epidemic is already over in Sweden as we speak.

    Here is the same epidemic curve (deaths; in blue) graphed against the wacko, extremist, pro-Panic Neil Ferguson predictions:

    (From Swedish Response Vindicated in Coronavirus Epidemic.)

    • Replies: @Hail
  6. Hail says: • Website
    @Peter D. Bredon

    What’s wrong with your people? Are you nuts?

    Sadly, many “caved in” to CoronaParanoia.

    I still don’t understand why good people suspended all skeptical inquiry and joined a destructive mob. I don’t understand why some continue to boldly ignore all the evidence that the Panic was unjustified and that we need to re-open now. I just…don’t get it.

    • Replies: @Quinsat
    , @Neuday
    , @Adam Smith
  7. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    I’m sitting here having a delicious meal and a fine pilsner in Stockholm. What’s wrong with your people? Are you nuts?

    Yes, my friend. Yes, we fucking are. We’re running around scared for our lives and shutting down our economies before even asking ourselves the simple question: how do we open back up without the same thing happening again???

    Yes, my friend from Sweden, we are completely fucking nuts. Perhaps it’s no coincidence that all our people decided to start killing each other about 80 years ago, while yours decided to sit it out… probably with a delicious meal and a Pilsner.

    Fuck South America and New Zealand…. next time the world goes crazy, I’m heading to Sweden.

  8. Hail says: • Website

    I’ve got to say, I am really disappointed in Hunter Wallace.

    He either emotionally caved in to a destructive Panic, or is full-on committed to a shockingly cynical attempt to “jockey for political advantage” as the Panic destroys the lives of many of the people he claims he represents (I’ve described latter as “to beg for table scraps as the demonic entity of CoronaPanic feasts on our national soul”).

    The contents of his CoronaPanic-era blog posts at Occidental Dissent suggest both may be at play. All for nothing, given what we now know about the virus (it was a flu virus all along, with a profile similar to any bad flu strain).

    This is very dark stuff.

    Snap out of it, for God’s sake.

  9. Dumbo says:

    So Andrew Anglin and Greg Johnson are now also specialists in virology?

    These “white nationalist intellectuals” (?) are a joke. Some would say they are part of plot by CIA/Mossad to discredit white resistance movements, but they are too dumb or insane, no one would fall for it, right? I mean the chance of them having any influence is zero.

    As for the “pandemic”, of course it’s mostly made-up hysteria. The lockdown and social distancing is much worse than the virus. The West is like a chicken with its head cut off.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  10. samisdat says:

    Make sure you trust Hunter “Nazi Rallies are a great thing” Wallace in any situation. Great judgment on that guy.

  11. @Peter D. Bredon

    Why would you import 800k Somalians? Are you nuts? The virus may not have killed as many people as was feared but I wouldn’t act so high and mighty. You are creating your own Detroits by choice. I’d be more worried about the loss of your city centers and the prospect of life in the deracinated exurbs that you will be forced to flee to.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Oikeamielinen
  12. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk

    To be fair, he actually did for a brief period condemn Trump and even endorsed Yang. This resulted in a plunge in readership. His whole strategy has been to appeal to “the masses,” and at least as far as the people who read his site, the “masses” don’t want to hear the truth. They want to hear the comforting falsehood that there’s this big and strong alpha male in the white house fighting for them.

  13. geokat62 says:

    The current global case fatality rate of COVID-19 is 19%.

    Coronavirus Cases:
    3,138,413

    Deaths:
    217,985

    CFR = 6.9%

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Hail
  14. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve really lost so much respect for alot of people I used to highly respect during this panic/ plandemic.
    If you fell for this you are either ignorant,stupid or currupt.
    I can’t see any other options.
    This isn’t even science, not to the best of my understanding.

    https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat, DaveE
  15. This article isn’t about a debate; it’s about Brad Griffin and how envious he is of Anglin because Anglin has an audience and Brad doesn’t.

    Brad never misses a chance to have a go at Anglin.

    But, Brad has repeatedly outed himself as an insecure fellow who pedestalizes women and virtue-signals against men who are critical of women and their behaviour in society.

    When Anglin gets publicity, Brad always goes to sleep crying.

    • Agree: Inverness
    • Replies: @James Stark
    , @Sunshine
  16. Quinsat says:
    @Hail

    ‘I still don’t understand why good people suspended all skeptical inquiry’.

    And forgot their Orwell. Maybe the Newspeak is right for once: that’s not an impossibility. On the other hand, the real meaning could be…

    Covid19 = Covid1984
    Control of Social Distances = Control of Social Dissent
    Temporary Police Powers = Permanent Police Powers
    Speedy PCR Diagnostic Test = Specious PCR Diagnostic Test
    Number of COVID Deaths = Number of COVID Death Certificates
    Develop Herd Immunity = Exploit Herd Instincts
    Global Plan for Vaccination = Globalist Plan to Axe the Nation State
    Protect the Elderly = Indebt the Young
    Save Our NHS = Sell Our NHS
    Crisis Ends = Crisis Starts (debt-deflation > hyperinflation > Oceania/Eastasia war)

  17. Dumbo says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Yes, but that doesn’t mean that Swedes are not also nuts, in other ways. Get rid of feminism and of Muslim immigration and then maybe we will think Sweden is great again.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  18. I got bored with this piece and could not get through it. I have no idea how he is coming up with a 19% death rate. I have never seen this figure before. I could tell early on that he hates Trump and he hates Anglin and he has an ax to grind.

    The ONLY rate that people want to know is the REAL death rate, which is NOT the CFR bullshit this dude is talking about. I have not seen reference to this anywhere. Yeah, the people who are sick enough to go to the hospital are far more likely to die. And I know for certain that the Covid deaths are inflated because there is solid info that supports it. The idea that deaths are being under reported is absolute horseshit.

    The INFECTION rate is the denominator. Deaths are the numerator. It’s seems simple enough, and it appears to be about the same as the flu at 0.1%.

    I do not think that the reason for the lockdown was the globalists fearing for their own lives.

    But I do agree 100% that the Trump administration totally fucked up by letting the virus reach our shores. We pay spooks to watch out for us, and the intelligence community surely told our leaders what was happening in China, because some of our dear leaders dumped their stocks before the crash.

    I thought JF did a great job debating Greg on The Public Space. JF provided a wealth of facts and figures and logic, while Greg supported the Jmedia narrative completely.

    While I do agree with Greg that the state has an obligation to protect the people….they dropped the ball by not closing the borders right away…..and the virus got here….and it’s going to spread, quickly or slowly…..I’m not convinced that the speed matters. Yeah yeah, flatten the curve, blah blah, but outside of NYC the hospitals in the rest of the country are empty and lying off staff.

    I still say that Sweden, Arkansas, SD, ND, Iowa, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, got it right.

  19. @Maple Curtain

    From what I read on his site, I get the feeling that Anglin hates women more than anything else he claims to dislike. He picks out the worst 1% of them and seems to think those disgusting thots are what all women are like. Women may be largely dumb and emotional, but the vast majority of girls are nothing like what Anglin portrays them as. If that’s what his audience likes then I would guess that they must be largely incels and simps who dole out sheckles to cam whores and hate themselves for it because someone with even a small amount of experience with real women would realize that these shit tier examples of the grossest whores in the population he berates are pretty rare. I think he wants his readership to remain incels for some reason. Not sure why, but that’s how it seems to me.

    I’m someone who thinks women should be staying home and raising their own children rather than having the state and the chosenites who run the media do it btw, which is what is happening in our current misanthropic society.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Robert Dolan
    , @MPO
  20. @Dumbo

    Neither Anglin or Johnson are dumb. They are both quite intelligent. Andrew is a gifted writer and writes some very funny stuff. Greg is a big brain, has done great work, and is totally committed to the cause.

    If you think that you can do better work, by all means DO IT.

    Those two men are PUBLIC faces of the pro-white movement and they have both been dealt massive PAIN for their efforts.

    Shame on you for shitting on them. They’re not perfect but they are TRYING, and that’s worth a bit of respect.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Evolvefest
  21. Rosie says:
    @James Stark

    I think he wants his readership to remain incels for some reason.

    For $ome rea$on.

    I’m someone who thinks women should be staying home and raising their own children

    If we’re “dumb and emotional,” why would you trust us with the responsibility of raising children? Shouldn’t our little boys go to military school at age 7 or something?

    This is why I don’t trust you reactionaries as far as I can throw you. Your baseless attacks on our character and competence will eventually strike at the heart of our most cherished rights.

  22. @James Stark

    Anglin is hard on women for sure. He blames women for what the jews have done to women. He blames boomers for what the jews have done to boomers.

    Andrew has some axes to grind.

    On the other hand, he’s a very persuasive writer, has a quirky and interesting sense of humor, and he’s been right about a lot of things.

    I still think he is basically right about Covid, and he is in good company since Ramzpaul, JF, Ron Paul, and Red Ice are in the same corner.

    • Agree: thordaddy
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  23. Debate Andrew Anglin? Especially on an important subject? What a ludicrous notion.

    It’s like waltzing with Curly.

  24. Emily says:

    Little doubt now that many who have died of the COVID – died because the treatment of those in hospital has been wrong and often fatal.
    Ventilators kill.
    Here in Britain it has become a dirty word.
    Hospitals are finally severely limiting their use.
    The MSM created an hysteria of anti government vitriol – using the claimed shortage of ventilators to do it.
    It has been blatant on various issues the whole way through this outbreak….
    Thank God there may of been a shortage – how many owe their lives to it?
    Now millions of pounds wasted on new ones.
    They have been treating a new disease as the ‘flu’.
    It isn’t.
    It is an attack on the red blood cells and the denial of oxygen to the body and its organs.
    We will never know how many have been killed by ignorance in the medical profession and the so called experts.
    Finally it seems the penny is dropping and the treatment of Boris was a public eye opener here..
    We are tiold at death’s door, but kept on oxygen and off the death machine.
    He survived.
    Others have not been so lucky one suspects.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. @Robert Dolan

    I have no idea how he is coming up with a 19% death rate.

    He probably meant the then current global fatality rate for those registered cases that had an outcome: either death or recovery. That rate therefore does not include new or still pending cases, for which the outcome has yet to be determined. This information is likely taken from the Worldometer figures, which get updated numerous times a day.

    Rate = Deaths / (Deaths + Recovered)

    This global rate has been around 19% lately, sometimes slightly above, sometimes slightly lower.

  26. gotmituns says:

    Here all you’ve got to know about this “pandemic.” There are three main groups affect by it. The elderly in Long Term care facilities (old age homes), foreigners/blacks and the obese. The people in those facilities of course mostly have preexisting problems, so the virus comes along and finishes them off. Not hard to figure out, They’re old so their immune systems are deficient because of age. The foreigners and blacks, are sickly people to begin with. mostly it’s poor diet and poor quality of life with them. mostly also it’s because they’re not smart enough to lift themselves up out of their environment so after awhile they are targets of virus’ just like the elderly. Same thing with al these massively obese people. People don’t say it or even realize it yet but obesity is itself an illness. Firstly, it’s a mental issue then of course, the gluttony becomes a physical issue making the person susceptible to other health issues such as heart and breathing problems.
    As far as our government and media goes, they know this but want people scared out of their wits. They want to change the society. I figure they weren’t happy at the pace of people working from home so “after” this passes there’ll be some major changes I our society, the biggest being that maybe close to half Americans will work from home.
    Just my 2 cents.

  27. What would John Wayne do?

    Wear a mask? Hide in a barn?

    • Replies: @450.org
  28. That’s like saying the Americans who died on 9/11 didn’t die of the Twin Towers falling on them. They died with the Twin Towers falling on them. It is a crucial difference!

    It’s like saying the 80 year old lady who trips over a garden hose and breaks her brittle hip bones and dies from sepsis during the trivial treatment would have lived forever if we banned garden hoses and grass lawns.

    No one dies of “old age”. Your constitution progressively becomes weaker until what would be a trivial insult to a youthful body becomes fatal.

    I typed in the first page of ages of death in Italy from this paper:
    Coronavirus, 1.732 casi in Alto Adige: impennata di positivi a Ora

    90 92 94 94 95 96 96 96 98
    82 82 82 82 83 84 85 85 85 86 87 88 88 89 89
    72 74 74 75 75 75 76 77 78 78 79 79
    66 67
    56

    .

    Psalms 90:10
    “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”

    Why hip fractures in the elderly are often a death sentence

  29. the current death toll of 16,673 in New York City is far beyond anything ever seen with the ordinary flu. Also, if 21.1% of New York City residents have coronavirus antibodies (assuming the test is flawless and accurate), the city is still nowhere near the 70% that would be required to achieve herd immunity.

    Fine. Declare NYC a plague city and blockade it. Reaper drone patrols can launch Plague Doctor class missles on anyone trying to escape. Leave the rest of the country alone. NYC is a an hideously overpopulated ****hole teeming with the World’s wretched refuse, of course it will have a hard time from communicable diseases brought in from foreign countries. But there is no need for small cities and towns in flyover country to obsess over that outlier and hide in their bomb shelters because of their example.

    • Replies: @128
  30. 128 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/25/the-south-is-likely-to-have-americas-highest-death-rate-from-covid-19

    Seeling as this virus is killing a lot of rural whites in Appalachia and Dixie. People like you should all be lined up against a wall and shot, or have a Predator drone deliver a Hellfire missile sent up to your bedroom window.

  31. @Hail

    He’s another example that the alt-right was one big psyop.

  32. @SOL

    All th retards do and did. Why do you think newspapers and major media had to print major headlines telling people not to inject disinfectants.

  33. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The ONLY rate that people want to know is the REAL death rate, which is NOT the CFR bullshit this dude is talking about

    We really have no idea how many people are potentially test-positive. In Malaysia, they’re only performing a few thousand tests a day. They’re selecting by contact tracing and they’ve ruled out any other way, such as double blind tests of random people from all over the country, which would be the only way to see the real spread of test-positives.

    My friends in UK tell me that the hospitals won’t test unless they’re serious enough to need hospitalisation, while the government’s drive through testing scheme has a slow website and a wait list that means the illness will have passed long before a slot is available.

    In other words, both countries are making the death rate look higher by selectively testing those who are already closer to death.

  34. Tlotsi says:
    @SOL

    There are still people who take Greg Johnson seriously?

  35. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emily

    It is an attack on the red blood cells and the denial of oxygen to the body and its organs.

    Fact checking: attack on red blood cells? Are you sure? I thought it hindered oxygen diffusion across the lung walls by creating a mucus barrier?

  36. NotMe says:

    IMO, COVID-19 is a massive psyop that will ultimately be used to justify universal mandatory vaccination. The COVID-19 morbidity figures cannot be trusted; they are hyped up, cherry picked, and fudged. The only people who will benefit from this COVID-19 b.s. are big pharma and psychopathic NWO control freaks.

  37. Douglas says:
    @Hail

    His hatred of Trump clouds his judgement. I have followed him and corresponded with him for several years. After failing to reason with him regarding this issue I finally decided it was best to move one.

  38. @Peter D. Bredon

    How much did that Pilsner cost you?

  39. As Anglin points out, even USA Vice President Mike Pence seems to know that covid-19 is an exaggerated, manipulated hoax

    Here’s Mike Pence visiting doctors and patients at the Mayo Clinic, the only person there without a mask on, Mike totally fearless and worried about nothing … despite Mike personally getting the highest-level intel agency briefings every morning

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8266575/Mike-Pence-tours-Mayo-Clinic-DOES-NOT-wear-mask-despite-policy.html

    • LOL: Agent76
    • Replies: @450.org
  40. trickster says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Yes most are. What you need to acknowledge is that the rabble prefer to be mad with everyone else rather than sane all by themselves. Fortunately there are many on this site who prefer to be sane together. We are the ones who use our heads for more than haircuts and baseball caps, the ones who have been up and about since January 1st because we are too dumb to understand what the experts and all their graphs are telling us. The others, hide under their beds, wearing masks, plastic overalls and insulated by rolls of toilet paper, afraid to even answer their phones less the germs erupt through the ear piece and infect them. The mob has become frightened of their own shadow, they tremble at every sound and quake at the latest doomsday articles, news reports and blogs updating every aspect of the virus. This is the environment the sensible readers of this site must live in. However, somebody has to do the job and we know that ultimately good sense will prevail by 2021 because next year everyone will come to their senses and say “Damn, this whole thing was a hoax! We should have known!” . The sensible ones here will be deaf to these proclamations because like you we will be sitting down to a fine meal of steak and lobster and a delicious jug of Corona ( I mean pilsner) while we get updates on the 2021 drama now being planned for the gullible and those easily lead by the nose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hail
  41. @Hail

    Yeah, Wallace has been a disgrace. He’s become such a devout Branch Covidian that he deleted all columns from Occidental Dissent taking the anti-panic view, apparently because he thinks that’s the only way to Save Lives.

    • Replies: @Hail
  42. @Dumbo

    Never. Their corrupt framing of Julian Assange has finished Sweden.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  43. Dumbo says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I’m not interested in doing what they do; if someone likes them, all the best. Personally, I used to read them, but I can’t stand any of them right now. But it’s a question of personal taste, I suppose.

    Anglin is basically a clown, I don’t think even himself takes his role, such as it is, seriously. As for Johnson, he’s smart and well-read but I also don’t care much about him, he seems shallow.

  44. trickster says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I had a good chuckle at your comment. This reminds me of the guy who bought the motor home. True story. The lunatic got on the freeway, set cruise control, exited the driver’s seat and went to the kitchenette for a brew. The rest is freeway history and also legal history because after the pileup the retard sued the manufacturer and won. Apparently there was no sign in the cab warning about such behaviour. Manufacturers have now corrected their evil ways with signage. These days we can plumb the depths of stupidity but there seems to be no bottom.

  45. @Rosie

    If we’re “dumb and emotional,” why would you trust us with the responsibility of raising children?

    Raising children does not require an exceptional amount of intelligence; after all, children are elementary humans. Emotionalism may help too: it strengthens the bond between the mother and the child, and thus makes her more alert and motivated. But the main point is that women are more like children than men are (their brain development is stunted, in comparison to that of males), so there is greater identification between carer and cared for.

    Shouldn’t our little boys go to military school at age 7 or something?

    Now who’s stereotyping? Not all males are military types, only the extreme ones.

  46. @Anonymous

    I don’t know which site you’re reading, but I read The Daily Stormer nearly every day and Anglin has been anti Trump for years now.

    Like a lot of people on the right, he supported him at first but has become completely disillusioned with him. Case in point;

    https://dailystormer.su/trump-orders-investigation-of-who-and-china-to-see-if-they-hid-information-about-the-deadly-flu/

  47. @Astuteobservor II

    What’s the relationship between Andrew Anglin and injecting disinfectants? Are you suggesting that he supported the idea? I know irony is tough for boomers to grasp, but I think you’ll find that Anglin was mocking the idea, as he should have.

    Do you have a link to a Daily Stormer article in which he supports the idea?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  48. Emslander says:

    America was conceived and born of the French Rationalist philosophers. They must be spinning in whatever fate they reached.

    If we needed any further proof that the Western civilization is unhinged, I’d put this atrocity out there as Exhibit #37,892,213.

  49. Saggy says: • Website

    Facebook posts from the group Reopen California –

    ‎Sharon Rowell‎ to Reopen California
    5 hrs ·
    Costco will start making you wear masks, or you will not be allowed in starting May1/2020.. hear is a response to hand them them.. Forced Wearing of Face Mask

    LEGAL NOTICE
    Dear State Agent,
    This letter constitutes a formal notification to you that if, as an agent of state government, you “subject[]…

    What follows is a long section of the Constitution which Reopen California contends makes it unconstitutional for Costco to require masks. My take away – the ‘right’ really is made up of mostly idiots.

    Another –

    Stats have shown us there is no need for lock downs, masks, social distancing or special requirements. We need to stop addressing a virus and acknowledge whats really happening. Using “safety” as an excuse to lock us down thru the election to remove Trump, implement this socialist agenda and ultimately get Newsom into the WH in 2024.
    We know our rights. Why are businesses/churches waiting even another day to open? Open NOW

    !

    There you have it, Trump was right, CV is a hoax, let’s get back to the usual programming ASAP.

  50. 450.org says:

    Why don’t Trump and the Neocons just drop the vulnerable into volcanos from helicopters instead? I mean, Trump is all about the optics and that would make for great optics. The School of the Americas has trained many a Latin American despot dictator on the art of this, so we could get it up and running in America proper rather quickly I would think considering America is now a full-fledged banana republic.

    Aren’t the protesters imploring us to sacrifice the weak? Dropping them from helicopters into volcanos is a true sacrifice and it would eliminate unnecessary and prolonged suffering. A quick split second sear and you’re gone versus suffocating to death for a couple of weeks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  51. 450.org says:
    @brabantian

    Or maybe he’s inoculated. If he was an Iranian politician, he’d be dead by now. It’s curious how this virus shows up in the damndest places, isn’t it? Iran’s parliament. New York City where Trump evacuated suddenly on November 1st when he received warning of the pandemic before China even knew. Meat packing plants to ensure the America’s food supply is compromised. It’s almost as though the spread is strategic and purposeful.

  52. 450.org says:
    @Priss Factor

    He’d buy a hairpiece, smoke a cigarette and die of lung cancer.

  53. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @450.org

    Have you spent some years in Japan, perchance?

    On a serious note, if more than half of America recognised that they’ve been scammed, Trump is guaranteed his second term.

  54. Rahan says:

    A strangely mean take on the debate.
    I expected better.
    The point of a debate is to generate wisdom, not to make points of each other, same for reporting the debate. At least that’s how western men do it when they act normal.

  55. Neuday says:
    @Hail

    You don’t seem to understand; if the economy stayed on the course it was on, with the Fed and Treasury essentially merging into one, either the economy would tank and the elites would get the blame, or it wouldn’t tank and Trump would get re-elected. Something had to be done.

    • Replies: @Hail
  56. Rosie says:

    Raising children does not require an exceptional amount of intelligence; after all, children are elementary humans.

    Uh-huh. And I guess you’ll agree with this Harvard professor that homeschooling shouldn’t be allowed. Surely you don’t think dumb women should be allowed to teach their own children?

    https://www.christianpost.com/news/harvard-prof-calls-for-ban-on-homeschooling-responses-emerge.html

    But the main point is that women are more like children than men are

    That must be why you are more likely to kill people in car wrecks, commit crimes, get addicted to drugs, gamble away your life savings, and screw anything that moves.

    Just the facts, sir.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  57. @Dumbo

    These white nationalists could not even determine their own ancestry with out a 123 and me test.

    Anglin was a college dropout who studied a semester at Ohio State University and spent some time in Mindanao.

    Richard Spencer was a “professional student” who was still in college in his early 30’s.

    Tommy Morrison was basically a bum who woke up one day to discover he was so lazy he had not bothered to sell his house in time and the Pakistanis were grooming his kid. He actually had some kind of prison record for minor offenses.

    Yeah…great leaders of the white ethnostate. I’d really want them to be running a country.

    So doubtlessly they’ll be medical experts.

  58. Dumbo says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Yes, and having an arrest order for basically fucking consensually two dumb sluts, while Muslim rapists walk free. Only in Sweden, as they say.

  59. Hail says: • Website
    @Neuday

    Given the Chinese Communist Party’s role at the top of the chain of this major international fiasco and/or “hoax,” the original motivation can’t be the one you describe, exactly, but there were opportunists along the way including (I don’t doubt) those as you describe, but also not limited to.

    What I don’t get is why individuals completely gave up their rational faculties and converted to an apocalyptic religious cult, the Corona Cult, when the data wasn’t there (the media drumbeat was, but that’s not data), and clung to the cult even as it began to unravel and became fully discredited.

    How this happened has no easy answer. There is a chain of events here that I believe will (and should be) studied for years: How a self-destructive panic, mass-hysteria, and social mass delusion can begin.

  60. @James Stark

    Well, some in Sweden are nuts. However, just as everywhere else, it it the nuts that suppress sanity. Sweden’s first political nut was Olaf Palme, champion of multiculturalism. Here’s a take on how that’s worked out. https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/02/swedish-communist-the-left-abandoned-the-working-class-for-multiculturalism-and-lgbt-issues/

  61. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @trickster

    Unfortunately, you’ll find that many others on this site prefer to join the masses in collective insanity.

  62. @Anonymous

    A worthwhile read on the nature of the “masses” is Ortega y Gasset’s Rebellion of the Masses.

  63. @Hail

    It’s a plandemic .

    A bioweapon being used to slowly usher in technocracy.

    All the big shots endorse it, just leave your weapons on the platform and get on the train goyimz…

  64. Hail says: • Website
    @geokat62

    The current global case fatality rate of COVID-19 is 19%.

    Coronavirus Cases:
    3,138,413

    Deaths:
    217,985

    CFR = 6.9%

    19%. 6.9%.

    Both those numbers are meaningless. Any person pushing them is either misinformed or maliciously lying.

    We know the real numbers from randomized population testing, and study after study comes back with an implied fatality rate of ca. 0.1%. No study in the world puts it even as high as 0.25% anymore. The best-off places will probably even be a lot closer to 0.025%!

    I’d have to lean towards thinking that anyone who writes “fatality rate…19%” is lying (motivations varying), or just recklessly parroting something, hoping it’s true and not checking into it (Doomers).

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @TomSchmidt
  65. Ah, the leading intellectuals of our time:

    1. Andrew Anglin, an internet troll.

    2. Greg Johnson, a semi-closeted history professor with a Nazi fetish and a knack for calling people “Deep State assets” working for “antifa.”

    3. Hunter Wallace, personal friends with “activists” like Matt Heimbach of the “National Socialist Movement” who likes to parade around in the streets for the TV cameras doing “Hitler salutes.”

    Truly, a cast of characters best positioned to comment on a pandemic..

  66. Hail says: • Website
    @Manfred Arcane

    Wallace has…become…a devout Branch Covidian

    Hunter Wallace on the anti-Panic side (writing April 17):

    [Their] minds are hobbled by ignorance, greed and paranoid conspiracy theories and [they] have made a virtue out of selfishness and a fetish out of abstract individual liberty and taken it to an unreasonable and shockingly immoral extreme in a national emergency

    Got that? If you make skeptical inquiries into Corona, you are “shockingly immoral.”

    This is cult talk. Enough said.

    • Replies: @Manfred Arcane
  67. Agent76 says:

    Apr 25, 2020 Relaxing 2020 Coronavirus Plandemic Music & Memes to Enjoy Your Lockdown

    StayWoke Parody Created by: AnonymousArtist

    Apr 10, 2020 Army’s Seattle Field Hospital Closes After 3 Days, Without Treating a Single Patient

    Medical equipment at the CenturyLink Field Event Center is being returned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency for use elsewhere, but the governor cautioned against reading too much into the move.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/10/armys-seattle-field-hospital-closes-after-3-days-without-treating-single-patient.html

    April 19, 2020 Stanford Study Proves Covid-19 Was Overhyped. “Death Rate Is Likely Under 0.2%”

    Stanford study proves many more people are infected – between 50-85 times more – than reported and thus the “death rate” is astronomically lower than we were told.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/mit-tech-review-smears-study-proving-covid-19-overhyped/5710088

    Apr 15, 2020 Healthcare Workers Furloughed From Empty Hospitals

  68. @Rosie

    I’m now officially an elderly male (73) with many years of interacting with women and I too disagree with that statement about childishness. The one area in which I’ve found that women have difficulty is in managing money and in forming a long term financial strategy and developing the tactics to implement it. I say this as a former professional financial and investment advisor. Don’t know why this is, but over the years I experienced one case after another with women who simply refused to act on advice for which they had paid and later suffered the consequences. I’d never have presumed to advise them on child raising, although I have my ideas about that and experience to boot, but for the sake of what I assume must be a perverted kind of pride, paid for advice was ignored; there were few exceptions.

    My daughter in law, a Latina with three children six and under, is a fortunate exception. I continue to struggle with other women I know who’ve been sent to me for advice but continue to insist (one example) that a “career” in tarot card reading is just fine for a 59 year old woman with no financial assets: “Gaia will provide”. I’m not making that up!

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  69. @BannedHipster

    Ah, the irony of Banned Hipster referring to someone else as a troll.

  70. Emslander says:
    @Hail

    Very well said. “How this happened has no easy answer.”

    I’d put it in the category of supernatural responses to an envronment that had already gotten too far from reality. Put together in time with the financial collapse and it becomes even stranger.

  71. @BannedHipster

    Yeah…these guys would be ideal to run a white ethno-state. Anglin, according to his bio, studied English for one semester at college.

    Johnson has a PHd in Philosophy. He teaches at a community college.

    Wallace, aged about 25, was sent to a mental hospital for observation by his parents.

    Yeah…experts on pandemics and architects of the white ethnostate.

  72. Neuday says:
    @Hail

    In the US, many people suffer from a malignant narcissism. We’re an atomized, alienated people, with very little control over our lives. We were told by the weaponized and highly synchronized ubiquitous media bullhorn that millions were going to die and the only hope was to stay home, spray alcohol on everything and wash our hands. Everybody wants to feel like special people living in special times.

    Also, being a feminized culture, we’ve taken on female characteristics; prone to neuroticism, a comfort in conformity, risk averse, an affinity for safety and submission to authority. Faced with uncertainty, rather than carrying on as normal until further information became available, or simply sequestering vulnerable populations, everybody had to self-quarantine indefinitely. “If it saves one life . . .”

    Our “public health professionals” displayed utter incoherence. You’d think that people would be used to government incompetence, even come to expect it, but I suppose we still had faith in our medical professionals at the CDC/NIH/WHO. In the end, they’ve all been exposed as frauds, charlatans and shills.

    My sense is that different factions took the uncertainty of this virus and molded their response to their own purposes. In the US this means a significant advance of the Totalitarian Socialist Globalism that is our most powerful faction.

    It’s all fun n’ games until China sinks a carrier group, or until the hyperinflation sets in.

    • Agree: Maple Curtain, Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
  73. @Rosie

    If we’re “dumb and emotional,” why would you trust us with the responsibility of raising children?

    Because raising children doesn’t take brains, it takes emotions.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Skeptikal
    , @mary-lou
  74. gotmituns says:
    @Montefrío

    Sir, with all due respect, it’s my view women have a big problem with basic logic. Add to that they’re not as physically strong as a man, then there are big problems. One og the big reason women cry at their husbands funerals is that they understand that man who was always there to help them is gone. Yes, their children and grandchildren will be of help to them but not like that guy in the box. I pity women alone who have never married (I see them every so often when I help with some charity work now and then). There is no “career” for a woman beyond marriage and motherhood. People can yell and jump up and down about that but that’s just the way it is.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
    , @Rosie
  75. geokat62 says:
    @Hail

    We know the real numbers…

    Unfortunately, there are many real numbers.

    While the numerator is pretty straightforward, it all depends on what goes in the denominator of your “fatality” ratio.

    When I saw the 19.6% figure, I thought it was a mistake. But it turns out to be correct. The denominator in this case includes deaths plus recoveries from recorded cases:

    D+R Fatality Rate (D+RFR) = Deaths / (Deaths + Recovered)

    The 3.4% quoted by WHO includes only the recorded cases in the denominator:

    Case Fatality Rate (CFR) = Deaths / (Recorded Cases)

    Finally, the most often quoted fatality rate, 0.1% includes the total number of people presumed to be infected in the population.

    Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / (number of people presumed to be infected with the virus in the population).

    So, next time someone quotes a fatality statistic, be sure to ask him what’s in the denominator.

    • Replies: @Partic
  76. @Hail

    The fascinating thing is that Wallace and other WN “leaders” who’ve gone full Doomer are, to put it mildly, sceptical of the mainstream Holocaust narrative, but are now using the exact same type of rhetoric against Covid Doom sceptics that the Mainstream uses against Holo-sceptics like them–i.e., if you even ask a question that indicates you’re not a 100% true believer, you must be EEEEEEEVIL and have to be censored and shunned lest your EEEEEEEVIL infect others.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  77. I am experimenting with a mixture of

    bleach used battery acid and cherry juice concentrate

    If you do not hear from me again ….. assume that I put in too much cherry juice

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  78. icanmath says:

    “According to Andrew Anglin, there are “a hundred different viruses” that cause the flu and 7% to 15% are coronaviruses. In reality, there are seven coronaviruses that infect humans.”

    7% of 100 is 7, you retard.

  79. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Who are Greg Johnson and Andrew Anglin and why should we care about what they have to say?

    • Agree: niceland
  80. Rosie says:
    @Felix Krull

    Because raising children doesn’t take brains, it takes emotions.

    Nonsense. The single most important job of a mother is to keep infants and toddlers alive, and dumb people are more accident prone.

    Of course that’s just in the beginning of life. Thereafter, you’re responsible for moral instruction as well as physical protection.

    https://consumer.healthday.com/cognitive-health-information-26/brain-health-news-80/lower-iqs-in-childhood-linked-to-accident-prone-adulthood-600855.html

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  81. @gotmituns

    I have a 44 year old daughter who has never married and is childless. She’s my only daughter. She’s a very accomplished professional, something of a celebrity, but I have to struggle to conceal my disappointment that she chose that path. She knows, of course, but I observe the unwritten rules and the topic is avoided when we talk; we don’t live in the same country. In short, in spite of my wish that it were otherwise, I must agree with you: “There is no “career” for a woman beyond marriage and motherhood”. That is the primordial, all else is window dressing.

  82. @Rosie

    Most things men do-gamble, lie, cheat, commit crimes-is an attempt to get laid.

    That is why all these things tend to diminish after the age of 35. Men are no longer as obsessed with getting laid.

    Let’s just be honest, men behave the way they do because they are trying to get laid. Most men are simply driven by the urge to get laid.

    Everything else follows, but primarily men are driven to get laid.

    Once a woman gets to a certain age, you’re resigned to the fact that most of what men do and decisions men make are to get laid.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @obwandiyag
  83. Rosie says:
    @gotmituns

    Sir, with all due respect, it’s my view women have a big problem with basic logic.

    You go ahead and keep underestimating us while we take over one niche after another. Query: Can you bullshit your way through organic chemistry?

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2019/12/11/women-now-majority-medical-schools

  84. Hank T says:

    Two gay nerds arguing about things they know nothing about.

  85. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Manfred Arcane

    Exactly. It’d be one thing if these (former) alt-rightists simply believed this was a legitimate public health crisis that necessitated a strong government response. But they’ve actually become carbon copies of the same media and mouthpieces they claimed to oppose just six weeks ago. This includes demonizing those who disagree with them (witness the truly ugly individuals who have been given free reign in this forum). So either they were opportunistic phonies all along, or some kind of government misinformation project (probably a combination). One thing’s for sure: their legitimacy is now shot, no honest person will ever take them seriously again.

  86. jsigur says:

    Who cares what AA thinks. I stopped listening to him when he implied 19 Muslims did 911 or “they would have if they could have.”

  87. Mefobills says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    They are just trying to figure things out like the rest of us.

    People always want to have a hero. Sorry, all humans pull their pants on and take a dump and are feeling their way around but won’t admit it. They are people with all of their foibles and random gifts. The “suits” and sociopaths who pretend they are more than that, are the ones you have to watch out for.

    Ultimately, it is up to each individual to use his god given brain and sift through the miasma of disinfo that is out there.

    So, we should judge pundits like Anglin on their “hit rate” vs our “hit rate.” It is a percentage game.

    Personally, if I were president’s advisor I would have recommended the jew “Brother Nathaniel’s” advice (he’s not really a jew anymore), and created a new private/public news operation. The private half would be citizen journalists who are paid from profits and taxes, who do not have to follow the dictates of their paymasters. In other words, citizen journalists hunt down the stories, and go wherever they lead. We need a real truth channel, so average viewers can become anchored to reality, and it is not so difficult to dig through all the BS. Average people don’t have the energy to dig and filter through BS that emits from Jewmedia, including hysteria about Coronavirus.

    Trump was not smart enough, or informed enough about perversion of mass media news, where it was all consolidated into Jew hands after Clinton’s 1996 Telecommunication Act. If Trump hates fake news media so much, then why is it such a giant mental leap to understand that journalists just do what their paymasters tell them to do? The president has the power to revoke licenses and put news media out of business if it operating against the common good.

    Trump also doesn’t trust CIA and other internal deep state intelligence operations. Why would he, they tried to impeach him. The Jew Coup even included people from the National Security Council. So, Trump is told by the intelligence operations something is going on in China, and Trump is skeptical, and instead uses his instincts – they are lying again. It is hard to figure out when they are lying and when they aren’t.

    Trump didn’t create a work around for the media, he didn’t create a work around for intelligence either. Robert David Steele even sent a memo soon after inauguration to Trump’s team to tell them how to create a new intelligence operation using open source intelligence.

    Steele also told Trump how to use feedback from voters using online polling/voting, which could be used to coerce congress critters. Trump has a dumb-ass team, and that means people like Anglin have to step into the void that clown world presents.

    There was also no work around to box in the FED either. This would be fairly easy to do by issuing TBills to fund new State Banks (each state has its own state bank) into existence. Then once the bank is on its feet, then the TBills can be recalled back to Treasury. This would bypass Wall Street with an alternate system. So, Trump has just fed speculators with purchasing power via the Treasury and Fed. The coronovirus hysteria was used by the (((usual suspects))) to bail out their speculation, and not working people or real sectors of the economy.

    In other words, the Trump team is confused, Anglin is confused (not always), and we live in Clown world.

    When you live in clown world, everything is upside down and it makes navigation difficult for almost everybody.

    We look through the glass darkly, and it is amazing when some people get it right. It won’t be the U.S. that gets things right by the way, it will tend to be other countries that have not fallen so far down into the rabbit hole.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  88. @450.org

    But not before making The Shootist, one of the best movies ever.

  89. @Robert Dolan

    Dumbo is obviously a slimy lying Jew. He is getting frenetic and spooked knowing that a real Holocaust is about to be unleashed upon the Synagogue of Satan and it can’t come soon enough. A Jew-free world is the real “Tikkun Olam”

  90. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    You go ahead and keep underestimating us while we take over one niche after another. Query: Can you bullshit your way through organic chemistry?
    __________________________________

    Your argument is disingenuous.

    Russia is using state funds as necessary to train doctors, especially to go into far-flung areas that are under-served.

    Women make excellent Doctors as they have compassion, and if given funding (like in Russia) they can fill those roles.

    None of that detracts from the imperative of reproduction, or otherwise your civilization will fall down. Look at the lengths that Hungary and Russia are going through to up their birth rates so they won’t collapse in future.

    Women are evolved to stay at home, preferably while young, and reproduce. They need a man to protect them while in their vulnerable state.

    After the Children are raised up to a certain age, then going back into the workforce is fine. There should always be state money for that eventuality, which would require some sort of Fascism or “illiberal” democracy as in Hungary or Russia.

    If you are supportive of having women in the workforce to become new debtors (new debts pay old debts) and wage slaves for industry, then you are a dupe who has been snared by false dialectic. Liberal demon-ocracy emits propaganda… get back to work grrrll. You can do it all! Virginia Slim, put it in the frying pan, go to work, and please your man.

    You’ve come a long way baby!

    • Replies: @Rosie
  91. We can argue this stuff until the sun expands. But at the end of the day we are living in anything resembling the John Ringo novel (human H5N1 with a 60% mortality rate). Thus the essential question is: Is it worth shutting down the economy for anything less than the John Ringo scenario?

  92. 450.org says:

    It is a different coronavirus that has jumped into humans from the same type of Chinese bat through either a natural or unnatural process.

    This is not proven. It’s conjecture. Convenient conjecture, at that.

  93. Johnson vs Gariepy may be more worth your time.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  94. Mefobills says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Everything else follows, but primarily men are driven to get laid.

    It is why any civilization needs plenty of cat-houses, call-girls, escorts and the like.

    It looks like “plastic dolls” are the future instead of using real women.

    Corona-virus has done a lot of damage to prostitute’s income.

    Nobody is discussing what happens to women once artificial wombs are created. Maybe the plastic dolls will be womb carriers in future? The natural order is already upside down with women being forced to work. The choice is always work, because it takes two incomes to survive for most. Being a stay at home mom is virtually impossible.

    (It is possible if you live in brown-town, and send your kids to substandard skools, so they grow up to be gang bangers. You can always choose low income and income transfers from the government and then squat out a bakers-dozen like Maria.)

    Go team Murica!

  95. 450.org says:

    Excellent rebuttal to these clowns otherwise, Brad. Perfect.

  96. @Jeff Stryker

    And then she wants to get laid and they don’t want to lay her.

    God is a comedian.

  97. @Robert Dolan

    Notice how all the libertarians are deniers. You would think it would be random: some people are deniers; some aren’t. Political affiliation should have nothing to do with it. And yet all the libertarians are deniers. All the non-libertarians aren’t.

    This one fact proves libertarians to be chumps. Or malicious liars, on or the other.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @Mefobills
  98. @Rosie

    Mefobills has a point. Garbled, but a point. Here’s how I put it in precis.

    Double the workforce: half the wages.

    In the 1960s, when official channels made sure everyone knew that it was a moral imperative that women go to work instead of staying home to raise children, they did in droves. As they were told to. Meanwhile thinking they were being all radical and all.

    Before this, a working-class man’s salary could support a family.

    After this, it took a working-class man’s salary, a working-class woman’s, and then some, to support a family.

    Thus it went from “Be free, express yourself, get a job if you want,” to “You better get a job or starve.”

    This is why some people suspect that American radicalism was all a scam. A shell game.’

    There should be no problem with women working. Who really cares? Except they should have stayed home in the 60s and supported their families by keeping the labor pool low so that their husbands’ (and thus their families’) income stayed high enough to live on.

    I know. You won’t get this. Oh, well. Congratulations on your radicalism. You’re not a tool of capitalism or anything. Don’t ever suspect your sacrosanct self.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  99. @Mefobills

    I was a Graphic Artist for a small city newspaper in my early twenties-small town papers are all but gone now-and the media post-internet has nowhere near the same degree of influence. More and more people get their news from the internet.

    Before the internet, you had a few television stations and the print press determining public opinion. There was no independent journalism, no cell phone cameras (For example these days the LA riots would not have happened because someone with a cell phone would have shown the entire episode of Rodney King attacking police officers before the video camera came on), no websites.

    By 1996 the internet was dislodging the print media anyhow. So Clinton’s decision was less relevant than it would have been ten years earlier.

    No President has ever kissed the ass of (THEM) like Trump. Nixon openly detested them. Reagan was hated by them. Clinton was equivocal towards them. Bush was cordial. Obama had the worst relations with them. Trump unequivocally likes them.

    Trump had his own TV show, he knows something about the electronic media.

    But like I said, the mass media is a joke now, compared to pre-internet and social media. It simply does not possess the ability for form public opinion compared to 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  100. @SOL

    I actually think Greg Johnson is a bigger clown. He has a faggy voice and he’s generally not that bright. Anglin has a bad reputation but I think he’s got more common sense than Greg Johnson.

  101. @James Stark

    Demographic changes are too slow for Swedes to notice. They live from pilsner to pilsner.

  102. @Priss Factor

    JF did a great job, but to be fair, Andrew mentioned most of the same info as JF did.

    Ramz has a new clip up today dealing with Greg/JF and it’s a solid analysis…..and it’s much better
    (and more accurate) than this bullshit piece.

  103. Skeptikal says:
    @Felix Krull

    Well, Felix, I guess when you think “emotions” what comes to mind is endless empathy, joy and laughter, love, nurturing—all the good stuff.

    Your own development seems to have stopped at the wish fulfillment age of maybe about 9.

    There are a lot of “emotions” out there, and they are not all the kind you probably project on the Velvet Rabbit.
    Such as anger, despair, jealousy, impatience, regret, disgust, selfishness, fear, frustration.

    It takes a great deal of intelligence to manage negative and destructive emotions—inlcuding the child’s— so that an infant or child is not damaged. Indeed, one of the prime tasks of mothers and other women everywhere, and in I believe many species, is to protect her children from becoming the targets of the wrath and other negative emotions, such as hunger, of their fathers.

    Please “shelter in place” until you have grown up a bit!

  104. @obwandiyag

    Notice how all the libertarians are deniers.

    Yep, Corocaust Deniers.

  105. Leo says:

    “The case fatality rate is lower in Iceland and New Zealand because they stopped it.”

    the must be something else in common between Iceland and New Zealand… what could it be?

  106. Leo says:

    “…the case fatality rate… In Sweden, which is held up as a model by Andrew Anglin, it is 12%”

    the death count in Sweden and many other countries is – fortunately – still too low to make any “death per capita” conclusions. if anything, the numbers demonstrate that there’s no difference between lockdown and no lockdown.

  107. @Hail

    I still don’t understand why good people suspended all skeptical inquiry and joined a destructive mob… I just…don’t get it.

    Hey Hail,
    Good day to you kind sir,

    Are you familiar with Stanley Milgram’s Obedience to Authority study and Solomon Asch’s Conformity experiment?

  108. Partic says:
    @geokat62

    I would argue the US CFR is ~ 5.7%.
    Total cases/deaths.

    Having said that I fail to see how anyone reaches the 0.1% figure without assuming a tremendously large unknown (both current and future) infection rate along with a minuscule death rate.

    Logically one must assume that as the virus digs deeper into the population the death rates will fall, but it does seem a leap to assume they will fall to a number close 0. It seems to me the best we can hope for is a IFR of 1 to 2%, and honestly that seems a stretch.

    Having said all that, as a 70+ yearold man I have never been in favor of the complete lockdown, as other than not overwhelming medical resources, its logic escapes me.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @geokat62
  109. gotmituns says:
    @Rosie

    I’m not against bringing back binding women’s feet. It keeps them out of trouble and mischief.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  110. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    The Swedish government might’ve made the first intelligent decision they’ve made in 50 years by not following the Corona virus lockdown, but what’s the point of you’re people surviving when the plan is to replace you with millions of muslims and negroes anyway? Enjoy your few last years of good food and fine wine because in the future you’ll be enjoying your fine halal meal washed down with a choice of dirty water or goat’s milk. Welcome to the new Sweden run by 85 IQ savages!

    • Agree: Tool Book and Rifle
  111. Mefobills says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    No disagreement… you are right of course.

    In fact, the 1996 Telecommunication act said there was new competition in the form of electronic media, and hence the consolidation of print/airwave type media could occur.

    You have to admit though, that there are still plenty of low information people who consume mass media.

    Some sort of truth channel to anchor people is still required regardless, even with the internet.

    The “fourth estate” is necessary even though it is not spelled out as such in the constitution. Good information is to truth-tell, so voters become informed….not propagandized.

    Demon-0cracy for sure cannot work with a dumbed down and duped population.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  112. MPO says:
    @James Stark

    Anglin’s shtick is partly humor and marketing for his site of course. But he’s smarter than most give him credit for; his insights and comments on “women” are almost always on the mark in their most salient points. Most feckless “men” just don’t want to accept the truth in that regard. As for HW, he’s just another compromised beta, with all the associated pathologies. I liked his historical material while it lasted, but he’s the essence of male weakness at this point.

    • Agree: Maple Curtain
  113. Mefobills says:
    @obwandiyag

    Kim Iverson is doing a good job and is fairly balanced.

    She is letting the science drive her reporting. While she is a “progressive” she is also blasting progressives for being stupid… so it is entertaining.

    Lolbertarian’s often (usually) have some sort of character flaw which draws them to the ideology. A lolbertarian conference is like going to the morgue, everybody is dour and cynical.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoJTOwZxbvq8Al8Qat2zgTA

  114. @Partic

    Fauci published a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine stating that the death rate of Covid is 0.1%.

  115. geokat62 says:
    @Partic

    I would argue the US CFR is ~ 5.7%.
    Total cases/deaths.

    Yes, 5.7% is the US CFR. The 3.4% quoted by WHO was the global CFR.

    Having said that I fail to see how anyone reaches the 0.1% figure without assuming a tremendously large unknown (both current and future) infection rate along with a minuscule death rate.

    The way to determine the IFR is to conduct serology tests that look for the presence of antibodies in the system of an individual. The scientists try and I emphasize try to develop a random sample that is representative of the society at large. To date, there have been a number of serology tests that have been conducted and they are coming back with results that suggest the IFR is 1/1,000 to 2/1,000. Very much align with the IFR of seasonal flus.

    It seems to me the best we can hope for is a IFR of 1 to 2%, and honestly that seems a stretch.

    In hotspots like NYC, the IFR is indeed much higher… in the 1% range you’ve noted. But this is just one hotspot in the country. To get the overall IFR for the US, you’d have to combine the IFRs from all the population centres and take the weighted average by pop. When this approach is taken, most expect the overall IFR will be within the range of those given by the serology studies – 1/1,000 to 2/1,000…. not 1/100 to 2/100.

    I have never been in favor of the complete lockdown, as other than not overwhelming medical resources, its logic escapes me.

    Your logic is better than most.

    • Replies: @Partic
  116. thordaddy says:

    I think TPTB are fairly confident that the next big “make tricks” will be the alien invasion in a decade or less. That cover will allow for the annihilation of a minimum of one billion people and probably upwards towards 2-2.5 billion.

  117. thordaddy says:

    Anglin, clown or not, has been more Right about this criminal conspiracy than any other alt-rite figure.

  118. Rosie says:
    @Mefobills

    None of that detracts from the imperative of reproduction, or otherwise your civilization will fall down.

    Well then I guess we’d better start affording housewives the rights, respect, and security they deserve.

    Motherhood is a pillar of civilization or it isn’t. It can’t be direly important when men are trying to exclude us from paid employment, but then all of a sudden not important when it comes to our rights in marriage, government, etc. You might consider pushing back against dissident right misogynists who constantly go on about how “men built civilization” blah blah blah.

    Why should we make sacrifices for “your” civilization?

    Just look at what happens to middle aged mothers in Australia.

    https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2019/01/many-older-australian-women-becoming-homelessness/

    (BTW, constantly insulting women’s intelligence and telling us we’re too dumb to do this or that is probably not the best way to get us to have your babies.)

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @Mefobills
  119. Hail says: • Website
    @trickster

    the rabble prefer to be mad with everyone else rather than sane all by themselves

    Good line.

    I think this explains the great majority, but not all; and crucially it doesn’t capture the motivations of key people like intellectuals and opinion-shapers. There are plenty of members of the pro-Panic side are used to being “all by themselves” in some matter of the public good (or public bad), but they still caved in. Motivations vary.

  120. Hail says: • Website
    @Neuday

    we’ve taken on female characteristics; prone to neuroticism, a comfort in conformity, risk averse, an affinity for safety and submission to authority. Faced with uncertainty, rather than carrying on as normal until further information became available, or simply sequestering vulnerable populations, everybody had to self-quarantine indefinitely. “If it saves one life . . .”

    Someone should do a study of (the rise of) the phrase “Out of an Abundance of Caution.”

  121. Rosie says:
    @obwandiyag

    Before this, a working-class man’s salary could support a family.

    Take it up with your plutocrat masters who have imported foreign scab labor and put native men out of work. Without women in the workforce, they’d have brayed for even more cheap labor, and gotten it, I have no doubt, since White men won’t stop voting for the treacherous GOP because muh taxes.

    And while you’re at it, you can thank this guy, the original “men’s rights advocate,” for leading the charge to abolish alimony such that women have to work if they want any semblance of economic security.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/145097/hugh-hefners-incomplete-sexual-revolution

    • Replies: @Neuday
    , @obwandiyag
  122. Neuday says:
    @Rosie

    Alimony still exists, they just call it Spousal Support. If a successful surgeon, for example, leaves his non-working wife of 20 years she’s going to get e v e r y t h i n g, plus Spousal Support. If she has a good lawyer or he has a poor one, she can even sleep around and still come out ahead if he files for divorce.

    If the wife has a degree and a career, in this age of no-fault divorce, why should she get alimony?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  123. Agent76 says:

    Apr 28, 2020 The World Has Gone Insane… Here’s Why

  124. KenH says:

    Overall a pretty good debate which remained professional and didn’t degenerate into mud slinging. I will say that Anglin knocked Johnson to the canvas when he called out Johnson’s seeming doubletalk when he (Johnson) said something to the effect that government can’t be trusted and are incompetent but then much later said that we must place full trust in them to combat coronavirus. Classic case of cognitive dissonance and Anglin rightly challenged Johnson on that point.

    Johnson seems to sometimes fantasize that we have a white nationalist government in power when in fact we have the polar opposite.

  125. Johnson is very well-spoken.
    Anglin less so.

    • Replies: @Kim
  126. Rosie says:
    @Neuday

    Alimony still exists, they just call it Spousal Support.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about. You only get permanent alimony if you’re an old woman who’s been married for thirty years. Still in your forties! Forget about it. Get ready to take orders from a teenager while you ask, “Would you like fries with that?”

    If the wife has a degree and a career, in this age of no-fault divorce, why should she get alimony?

    Because women aren’t cars that you trade in for a later model when you can afford it, that’s why. Why would you want to make life easier for double dippin’dirty ole men?

  127. @Rosie

    I sympathize but consider all the over-the-top remarks made by feminists and the general demonization of men. There needs to be push-back and some people take it too far.

  128. Rosie says:
    @gotmituns

    I’m not against bringing back binding women’s feet. It keeps them out of trouble and mischief.

    An idle threat. Then you wouldn’t have anyone to pick up after your azz.

  129. Does Ron ever get embarrassed by his homepage showcasing 4Chan memes?

  130. @Rosie

    Oh so you are happy now being a wage drone instead of living a natural human existence because I said something slightly mean about women? The male equivalent of women who have this attitude are called MGTOW. Feminism, MGTOW both astroturfed trash ideologies promoted by the donor class to direct anger away from them and onto each other instead. Nice straw-man btw, with the military school thing. Yes, any opposing view to yours will snowball into the worst thing you can imagine if left unchecked, surely. By saying “dumb and emotional” what I really mean is I want to see you chained to the kitchen and for your shoes to be confiscated, obviously. You saw right through me, and definitely disproved the “dumb and emotional” thing.

    • Replies: @Kim
  131. Partic says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks.
    I see my rather silly mistake.

  132. What about the now established fact that death rates are skyrocketing through the roof – 6X the normal death rate in New York? Deaths caused by the emergency measures could be rising (suicides, domestic violence, O.D.s, alcohol poisoning, etc. starvation maybe?) but surely not enough to account for this sharp increase in total deaths.

    • Agree: ziggurat
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  133. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Update to the Sweden Reality vs. Wild Predictions by Ferguson (a.k.a. “Frankensson“), with the death data through April 29; pointing out an important feature of the March 16 Ferguson predictions in a box at the bottom.

    Ferguson’s key prediction was swamped hospitals under a Swedish-style response causing many collateral non-coronavirus excess deaths, which did not happen in Sweden at all. (Ironically, excess non-virus deaths happened in some Lockdown places, clearly caused by the Panic/Lockdown.)

    (Posted originally in, and discussed further at, Against the Corona Panic, Pt. VII: Sweden’s vindication is complete; Graphing the actual coronavirus epidemic in Sweden against the pro-Panic side’s wild projections):

  134. A Anglin is a knucklehead, and a clown. Look in the dictionary by the word “distraction” you’ll find Anglins goofy ass mug. A shit stirrer extraordinaire.. Thats about all he is. I can see the appeal to the under 18 crowd of knuckleheads, but adults should know better.

    Alt-right will go the way of the KKK, seems obvious. I’m sure Anglin is probably on the payroll of some Adelson, Koch or Singer type. Spends 99% of his time attacking people with less power, influence or money than himself. Not a threat to the ruling class, an asset.

    Anglin, not that long ago was idolizing son of genocidal asshole Ben Netanyahu, because he said some kewl things. I’m willing to look past some things people may say or believe, and give them the benefit of the doubt when they do something I disagree with, but Anglin is a walking red flag.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  135. TRM says:

    Total BS when they count deaths like this:

    All deaths WITH covid-19 are counted as deaths FROM covid-19. With data like this how can anyone make intelligent decisions? GIGO.

  136. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    Nowhere did I say that women were dumb.

    I said their primary role is to have children, to insure the survival of the race and civilization. At some point in time, they can work and fulfill any other ambitions they have.

    I also said that in Russia, many women are fulfilling the role as doctors. It would be easy enough to channel state credit into training young women as doctors, and then they take a haitus, and have children – become mothers. When the time is right, they can embark/return to their medical career. That would probably be when the children start school.

    Facism and National Socialism upheld women in society, and did not demean them.

    It is only in liberal democracy, where women are expected to become substitute men, and become work slaves. You getting to push around power point and excel spread-sheets does not fulfill your biological role, nor is it of much benefit to civilization, but only benefits a small subset of finance capitalists extracting your life energy.

    I am saying you are dupe, and that is not the same thing as dumb. Being a dupe means that you have been baffled with the BS, and that is evident by the things you say.

    Go against the logos, or the natural order, then bad things will happen. Eject your brainwashing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  137. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    I have had more laugh out loud moments reading the Stormer than anything else I have read. I think Anglin is a hoot.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  138. @redmudhooch

    Are you a noseberg?

    If not…..you’re just another do nothing shitdick.

    Anglin isn’t perfect, but he was right about Covid.

  139. Rosie says:
    @Mefobills

    Nowhere did I say that women were dumb.

    There are generally two kinds of men on the dissident right: the kind that bash women, and the kind that listen politely while others bash women.

    I’ve got to hand it to you. This tepid disclaimer you offer here is uncommonly courageous around here.

    In any event, I wasn’t really talking about you, personally.

    I am saying you are dupe, and that is not the same thing as dumb. Being a dupe means that you have been baffled with the BS, and that is evident by the things you say.

    I’m a stay at home mother of six, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. But then, I’m the type to just throw caution to the wind and follow my convictions come what may. Most people aren’t like that, and I’m not going to preach what I practice so long as women who choose a traditional lifestyle remain as vulnerable as they are now.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  140. Kim says:
    @James Stark

    From the point of view of men who want children, the hands-down safest option is to go somewhere outside the US, contract with some woman or women for their eggs, and go with a surrogate to birth the children.

    This way, the man avoids many (most? all?) of the financial, emotional and social risks associated with breeding and cohabiting locally.

    I think the best way is to advertise for candidates (there may be agencies) and have the candidate egg-providers show that they have no family history of criminality, mental illness, alcoholism, physical illness like congenital diabetes, drug or gambling addictions, and an adequate level of education.

    How much would it cost, including surrogacy? I don’t know. But I do know that some people spend as much as $50,000 on a wedding. A man could easily lose multiples of that in a divorce and legal fees. Anyway, I imagine that $50,000 might get the job done in some parts of the world. A steady young man who is unmarried could save up that much pretty quickly.

    And he would never again have to worry that a wife might decide – her perfect right – that she is no longer happy with him and take his life’s work and his children. A man who spent $200,000 for a child or two would be getting out of it very cheap.

    • Replies: @James Stark
  141. @Jeff Stryker

    Yeah…great leaders of the white ethnostate. I’d really want them to be running a country.

    As opposed to the Jews, right? Yeah, they’re doing a great job.

    Compared to what we got now I’d take a ham sammich and a buck fiddy.

  142. Kim says:
    @jack daniels

    Johnson is very well-spoken.
    Anglin less so.

    You are confusing “well-spoken” with “says what I want to hear”.

  143. @Rosie

    What you do is called by many names. Diversion. Red Herring. Non sequitur. Off-topic.

    You didn’t read one thing I said and will never get it, because it is true and you don’t like the truth because the truth hurts. That is the definition of the truth. Stuff that hurts.

    And I wasn’t even dumping on feminism. I was saying middle-class women should have made common cause with middle-class men to save their livelihoods, instead of following Ms. magazine’s prescriptions about donning your pants suit and sneakers and bicycling to Wall Street, which were given to Gloria by, you guessed it, the plutocrats.

    And by the way, working class women always had to work. Getting to not work was a privilege. Squandered by propagandized suckers who believed themselves radicals when they were just doing the bidding of their owners, and going to work when they didn’t have to.

    Oh, bah. You don’t even know what I mean.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  144. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie… you said this:

    You go ahead and keep underestimating us while we take over one niche after another.

    That is false pride, indicating brainwashing. If women are taking over one niche after another, that is a sign of failure. Women are not substitute men. Women have a unique role to play in society. Taking over niche after niche is not good in any way.

    That our society doesn’t reward women for their unique and vital role is a different conversation. (Neoliberalism is a failed system.) Your cognitive dissonance is that you are proud of the “niche takeover” while simultaneously decrying being treated roughly by society, as if you were a substitute man. Your not a substitute man… on average, women can never do the things a man can do. This is self evident if you eject your brainwashing.

    I’m glad you are a stay at home mom of six, that is awesome. I also firmly believe that in a proper civilization, you would be rewarded for your efforts. You should be feeling no insecurity today due to the inherent wealth you have produced which your children represent. That you feel insecurity after your contribution is a tragedy. This insecurity is our reality unfortunately because we live in clown world.

    I didn’t create clown world, so don’t blame me!

    In Russia, large families are being held up as special, because it is understood just how hard it is, and necessary to rejuvenate their civilization.

    Putin awards order of Parental Glory:

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Sunshine
  145. Rosie says:
    @Mefobills

    Your cognitive dissonance is that you are proud of the “niche takeover” while simultaneously decrying being treated roughly by society, as if you were a substitute man. Your not a substitute man… on average, women can never do the things a man can do. This is self evident if you eject your brainwashing.

    I’m not particularly proud of taking over niches. What I am proud of is that women have the ability to take over niches. Whether it is a good thing that we are in fact doing so is another matter entirely.

    What I am trying to tell you is simply this: Telling us we’re dumb, incompetent parasites (or whatever the insult du journal happens to be) is most certainly not going to achieve the desired result of more women choosing to stay home and have large families.

    Again, I’m not saying you’re doing that. I’m just saying that lots of people on the dissident right do indeed do that, and they do so in the teeth of the evidence.

    If all of this seems trivial to you, I agree, but evidently it needs to be said, over and over and over again.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  146. Sunshine says:
    @Maple Curtain

    This, exactly. I’m a long time reader of the Stormer, and I really enjoy Anglin’s insights on things. I even agree with his opinions on women (and I am a woman).

    Anyone that reads the Stormer regularly, is probably aware of this Brad Griffin/Hunter Wallace/whoever guy’s fervent hatred of Anglin. I used to read Occidental Dissent too, and occasionally commented there. Then it got weird and kind of sad. I know I’m an atypical woman, I don’t like or engage in modern female behavior and I do think women should be called out and not enabled in their society destroying behaviors. I believe it’s called “shit testing”men, to see if they’ll put up with this behavior? Anyways, I just cringe at simp behavior.

    Like the saying goes, when you see a strong horse and a weak horse, people naturally gravitate towards the strong horse. I think in this instance, it’s Anglin. If nothing else, he openly espouses unpopular (but true) viewpoints and says what needs to be said.

    I didn’t realize who wrote this article at first and I kept thinking “what is this guy’s problem with Anglin?” I still don’t get it, really. This type of kvetching and attacking is so feminine, it’s unbecoming for men to behave this way. Knock it off, have some self respect! Good lord.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  147. Sunshine says:
    @Mefobills

    When I see that particular commenter, I totally understand why so many men are ready to walk away from women entirely. So many so called “traditional women”, simply aren’t traditional at all. A shame. But what do I know? I’m a stay at home mom of four, so I guess I ought to defer to one who has six!

    This sisterhood mentality is the weirdest thing ever. Women KNOW that their “sisters” can’t be trusted, that women will always seize any opportunity to backstab, humiliate or screw over one of their “sisters”, yet the majority of them clamor for MORE women in charge! I do not want women in charge of anything, ever! I don’t want to be in charge of anything!

    What sane person would look at modern women run society and think it’s better than the old patriarchal society? I guess the perverse desire to destroy anything good, is just part of being a woman. Too many would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. I, being the latter type of woman, am always viciously attacked for “betraying my fellow women”. As if I owe them anything because we share the same reproductive parts. It’s insanity and I’m so tired of clown world.

    If only men would stop caring what women think or want or feel, maybe we could get back to a decent society! Or maybe not. Who knows, but it certainly cannot be worse than what we have now.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Rosie
  148. @Mefobills

    Possibly, but the days of William Randall Hearst are over.

  149. @Johnny Smoggins

    The point of my comment was there are retards who would believe anything. Case in point, covid 19 hoaxers.

    So retards who still take anglin at his word would 100% exist. There are a lot, a lot of retards.

  150. We have nothing to cure but the cure itself.

  151. @Hail

    The NYC study showed 21% of the population had been infected. With 12,274 deaths, that’s an IFR of .68%. Not the .9% projected by Neil Ferguson, but far above the .1% level that id be comfortable with.

    Why is the IFR so different between NYC and California? Did so many people catch the virus that it found its way to the highly-susceptible population in NYC where it kills heavily? Using excess deaths over baseline in the city, you get up near an IFR of 1%.

    NYC is a lot more foreign than the USA generally. Perhaps it’s latent TB in many residents that got kicked into gear by the virus. I’ve seen age and co-morbidity breakdowns but not immigrant/native ones.

    Until there’s an explanation for the very high IFR in NYC and why it won’t happen in the rest of the country, it’s going to be hard to convince people to reopen. The only place that seems it should reopen is NYC, where it seems most of the hard dying has taken place.

  152. @Sunshine

    I’m afraid men will always care what women want or feel. So we will never get back to a decent society by your standard.

    I’m more hopeful than that.

  153. This is the only useful post to come out of Occidental Dissent for some time. Making Anglin look like the freak he is, is never a wasted effort.

    The discussion and debate over Coronavirus is a moot one. In the United States, each state is going to do what its own polity will put up with in terms of economic shutdown. In this regard, the Coronavirus has been a major victory for real people as it has shown once and for all that the power distance from mainstreet Washington is too far, and that lacknof accountabilty has resulted in an unacceptable level of incompetence and corruption.

    Neither Anglin, Johnson or Griffin has any impact on policy, and are just baiting for clicks with this stuff. Nobody recognizes any of these people as sources of insight or wisdom, and nobody is seeking their opinion as a way to navigate these treacherous times. Just as well, as none of them have given us anything resembling a measured view of the reality on the ground, which presumably would help us little people at least to decide what to do to strike a healthy balance of prudence and productivity.

    The dissident right was useful as a “movement” only while it provided utility to people by giving them insight into the reality on the ground in the real world, cutting through the establishment mainstream liberal dichotomy.

    It doesn’t do that anymore. In hard times, the fat gets cut since folks cant afford the wasted time and resources on indulgences. Hard times are coming. The dissident right bloggers and content creators don’t have much time left to grift off of us.

    They soon will either get their shit together, or have to get actual jobs. Either way we won’t have to deal with this inane content drought.

    Produce value, or starve.

  154. @Kim

    This is more insanity. What’s the point of living if you have to resort to things like that? Forget making a test tube baby, that’s some dystopian shit. Just find a good woman, it’s not that hard. It might be harder than it used to but 2/3rds of FIRST marriages last. The 50% number the media and MGTOW promoters gaslit you with is a count of total marriages which includes people who get married multiple times. Again, all women aren’t monstrous harpies. Many are, sure, but even more of them aren’t. Also, money ain’t everything friend. There are plenty of unhappy people with money.

  155. @Rosie

    Shouldn’t our little boys go to military school at age 7 or something?

  156. @128

    Seeling as this virus is killing a lot of rural whites in Appalachia and Dixie.

    Apr 30, West Virginia allegedly has 40 deaths.
    West Virginia: 40 ÷ 1,792,147 = 00.002%

    Apr 30, New York City has allegedly 17,589 deaths.
    New York City: 8,398,748 ÷ 17,589 = 00.209%

    00.209% ÷ 00.002% = 104

    New York City has a death rate 104 times that of West Virginia, as one would expect given the difference in population density. There is no need for low population density areas with little foreign population to need to observe the same quarantine policy as the world’s worst hotspot.

    or have a Predator drone deliver a Hellfire missile sent up to your bedroom window

    I’m sorry you object to drones enforcing quarantine, but they are already in the air.

    Westport, CT, Police Department announced that it had commenced testing five days earlier on “pandemic drones” to enforce social distancing as well as monitor the spread of the coronavirus through the tony suburb north of Manhattan

    Draganfly’s ‘Pandemic Drone’ technology Conducts Initial Flights Near New York City to Detect COVID-19 Symptoms and Identify Social Distancing

    Drone with speakers flies over Manhattan urging New Yorkers to ‘maintain social distancing’

  157. @Commentator Mike

    What are you talking about? Even according to the official statistics, both new cases as well as new deaths peaked about 2 weeks ago:

    https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-statistics-tracking-epidemic-new-york

  158. Rosie says:
    @obwandiyag

    Oh, bah. You don’t even know what I mean.

    You flatter yourself. I know exactly what you mean, and it’s not particularly profound.

    I was saying middle-class women should have made common cause with middle-class men to save their livelihoods, instead of following Ms. magazine’s prescriptions about donning your pants suit and sneakers and bicycling to Wall Street, which were given to Gloria by, you guessed it, the plutocrats.

    There are all sorts of problems with what you say here. First of all, I’m not convinced a majority of even middle-class women ever felt free to not go to work within living memory. The decline of the middle class was already well underway when women started entering the workforce en masse. As a result of desegregation, the cost of housing in “good” (read: White) neighborhoods was already escalating. The cost of the parallel Catholic education system was also going up because of secularization and a reduced clerical population. Manufacturing was in decline. The point of the two-paycheck model wasn’t to drive down wages. It was to make people feel better about lower wages.

    Second, even if they could have made common cause with middle-class men “instead of” going work, why should they have done so? You completely ignored my concerns about long-term financial security.

    Third, assuming they both could have and should have “made common cause with middle-class men,” what, precisely, would you like them to have done that they didn’t do? Middle class men themselves didn’t do anything to save their own livelihoods. South Park said only downscale rubes care about outsourcing, and believing that, middle-class men smugly congratulated themselves on being indispensable, thinking the alligator would never eat them.

    Going to work was not the ideological Fukk you that you seem to believe it was. It was driven by much more practical and mundane considerations. Your jab about the pantsuit (i.e. working women are unfeminine) is also unjust. Do any women even work on Wall Street? A disproportionate number of them are in the helping professions doing things women have always done (nursing, teaching, social work, etc.); only before they didn’t get paid.

    • Replies: @Exile
    , @obwandiyag
    , @Mefobills
  159. Rosie says:
    @Sunshine

    What sane person would look at modern women run society and think it’s better than the old patriarchal society?

    This here corporatocracy is run by greedy, treacherous men who run roughshod over the lower orders. I’m sure they are very grateful to you and the MGtards for running cover for them.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/negligible-gains-boardroom-diversity-white-men-dominate-study/story?id=45296129

    (Note: I don’t know if these are White men or “fellow White people,” but I do know that they are not women.

    • Replies: @Sunshine
  160. @TomSchmidt

    Who cares what level of IFR you’d be comfortable with? Why do you get to decide?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  161. @TomSchmidt

    No.

    There have been antibody studies all over the world at this point, Iceland, CA, etc. and they’ve found a significant percentage of people have been infected. So you can extrapolate and get a very high total number of infected…..which brings the death rate very low, about equal to the flu.

    I predict as they do more testing, this same pattern will repeat, a high incidence of infection and a low death rate.

    JF shows graphs that prove that overall deaths have not increased significantly, and this fact also reveals that they have obviously re-labeled/mis-labeled all kinds of deaths as attributed to “Covid.”

    I can’t get over the stupidity of claiming the death rate is figured by the number of “cases” that wind up at the hospital. This is monumental idiocy. Of COURSE the people who go the hospital are going to be in dire need and more likely to die! NO SHIT! This kind of accounting totally disregards the FACT that 80% of people exposed have zero to mild symptoms! Many people test positive and had no idea they had the fucking virus.

    When this is over and the dust clears people are going to wonder what the hell happened and why did we wreck our economy for so little justification.

    Okay, I’ll grant that at the start maybe they didn’t know what they were dealing with, but as time passed and we got more info and real numbers started coming in……it’s time to reassess the situation. Some people got caught up in the initial panic and now they refuse to admit they were wrong.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @TomSchmidt
  162. geokat62 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Some people got caught up in the initial panic and now they refuse to admit they were wrong.

    So true!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  163. Exile says:
    @Rosie

    Doubling the size of the labor pool by putting our women to work outside the home was strongly net-negative for the working/middle-classes.

    The 50-year flatline in purchasing power for those groups coincides with 1960’s feminism, the “civil rights” movement and mass immigration. Easy divorces mushroomed as women were “gamed” by workplace Casanovas and feminism sold them Eat Pray Love in place of traditional sex roles – the one-primary income married couple raising children together from childhood to adulthood.

    Worst of all, latchkey kids and divorce-torn families have produced social blowback exceeded only by the children of single moms in terms of negative child outcomes like addiction, crime, mental illness and simple unhappiness.

    It’s true that in our “new normal,” it’s no longer practical for many families to be single-income, but let’s not tell ourselves pretty lies about how we got here.

    Your white-knighting of feminism sounds fishy in the context of your claim to be a six-child stay-at-home mom. If it’s legit, you’re in the “we can have it all” state of denial.

    Feminism and working moms in particular have been so strongly net-negative that no amount of glass-ceiling breaking entryism by women can offset them. We can’t have one without all of the other.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  164. @geokat62

    That’s true in some cases, certainly. But I also think the alt-right was essentially constructed to discredit itself at the right time, and by extension support the legitimacy of the same US government the movement ostensibly opposes. This site is a perfect example: it sends the message that to criticize the American government requires supporting the Chinese government, which guarantees it permanent marginalization (and thus shuts down its previous Samizdat role).

  165. Obviously the extraordinarily high death rates cannot be maintained and are bound to decrease whether emergency measures are implemented or not. When that percentage of the aged that is susceptible to dying of this disease die out, the curve will flatten itself and then go back to more normal death rates. I was just asking of the deniers what is it that is/was killing so many people at unprecedented rates. It’s obviously not the seasonal flu as experienced in past years or decades.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  166. @Sunshine

    Who knows what AA really thinks? A few years ago he banned any discussion of religion on DS and now he promotes Christianity with almost every article, and Islam for Muslims. Roosh has gone the same way. I’m not saying anything’s wrong with this, just commenting on his changes. Anyway he is hilarious, and a good comedian does show good insight through his jokes. Sometimes, occasionally, he does try to be serious, but it’s hard to tell when.

  167. Rosie says:
    @Exile

    The 50-year flatline in purchasing power for those groups coincides with 1960’s feminism, the “civil rights” movement and mass immigration.

    That’s just it. How exactly do you purport to disentangle the role of each of these factors in destroying the middle class? Civil rights and mass immigration started before feminism even got started, and even then, it took another generation for working motherhood to become the norm. By then, the decline of the middle class was a done deal.

    Easy divorces mushroomed as women were “gamed” by workplace Casanovas and feminism sold them Eat Pray Love in place of traditional sex roles – the one-primary income married couple raising children together from childhood to adulthood.

    There is no evidence at all that “workplace Casanovas” (and, by implication, the feckless women who fall for them) are responsible for “easy divorce.” The last state to implement no-fault divorce was New York, and it was done over the objection of NOW (National Organization for Women) state chapter President Marcia Pappas.

    https://www.gothamgazette.com/columnists/center-for-an-urban-future/523

    It’s true that in our “new normal,” it’s no longer practical for many families to be single-income, but let’s not tell ourselves pretty lies about how we got here.

    Your bald-faced assertion that I am telling “pretty lies” is just that, a bald-faced assertion with no evidence to support it.

    Your white-knighting of feminism sounds fishy in the context of your claim to be a six-child stay-at-home mom. If it’s legit, you’re in the “we can have it all” state of denial.

    Look at this picture:

    This is the Mozart family. Mrs. Mozart had 7 children. Only two survived her. Women do have to have seven children apiece to keep the population stable anymore. We live for about 75 years. That leaves a lot of time for paid employment, without compromising children’s well-being.

    What is to be done about that fact? Shorter working hours for all? Jobs for men only? Should men monopolize even traditionally feminine roles like nursing? don’t know. That is a matter for debate. I will say my piece, and if you disagree with anything I have said, you’re welcome to say so, but please don’t accuse me of “white knighting for feminism.” It’s not constructive and does nothing to further the discussion.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  168. @Rosie

    Blahblahblah. You just talk and talk and talk and get nowhere.

    Double the workforce: half the wages. You still didn’t address this. All you do is man-bash and middle-class-bash and generally bash. Double the workforce: half the wages. Still true, no matter how you blabber and blabber and blabber about it.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @Rosie
  169. @Commentator Mike

    We don’t have abnormal death rates.

    That is (((MSM))) bullshit.

    JF (The Public Space) has repeatedly shown graphs of the total deaths in the USA (as well as other countries) and has clearly proved that there is NOT a significantly higher death rate this season.
    In fact, the death rate is actually LOWER than many previous years on the graph.
    And I trust JF to provide solid information as he is not ideologically driven and is a self proclaimed “autistic” when it comes to scientific facts.

    JF has also revealed that the flu and pneumonia deaths this year are LOWER, and he suspects that is because those deaths are now re-labeled “Covid.”

    There is massive proof, from trusted sources, that they are inflating the Covid numbers and blaming any and all deaths on Covid, and it’s obvious they are doing this because they have an agenda.

    The virus has become a political tool (and in fact it might have been that from the start)

    For many years I have ignored the Jmedia because all they do is lie. I have no reason to believe they are not lying about Covid. There are numerous reasons why the jewish owned media would push the killer virus narrative:
    1. To cover the trillions stolen from the Treasury by the jewish bankers.
    2. To destroy small businesses because they are independent/and to consolidate power for big business.
    3. To ramp up and test police state surveillance and decipher just how much shit the goyim will put up with.
    4. To wreck the economy to destroy Donald Trump.

  170. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    I believe below quote hits the mark. It represents the status of women today.

    The point the dissident right is making is that many women are riding the cock carousel, divorce raping their husbands, running around in pussy hats and doing vagina monologues.

    Women are acting out because they have become un-moored by liberalism. A lot of women fell for a swan-song. A male Patriarchy is the proper form of civilization, where women find their place. This Patriarchy upholds women for their vital role, and does not demean them, otherwise the Patriarchy is illegitimate.

    If you are for some sort of Matriarchy and girrrrll power, then you are simply wrong. It doesn’t work, and never will. You haven’t come a long way baby, there is some room for degrees of freedom, but women and liberalism have gone too far.

    And yes, you are correct to object when some on the right want to put you into a cage. National Socialism and Fascism always upheld women, but didn’t let them go around wearing Pussy Hats on their heads. There are limits, and overtaking niches is to be stopped… the limits are here. Other men like me think liberalism has gone too far and has to be rolled back. Some women won’t like it…. too bad, they are simply confused and brainwashed. Open the link to see the Gallup poll.

    https://national-justice.com/op-ed-theres-no-such-thing-libertarian-socialist

    Robinson writes that “because socialists deplore hierarchy and exploitation, the domination of women by men has historically been an important socialist concern.” Yet Robinson sees no problem in encouraging women to enter the wage-labor workforce. Democratic workplace or not, women will either be exploited by powerful men or otherwise use sex to get ahead in the workplace. The credible sexual exploitation accusations leveled at Joe Bernstein of Buzzfeed, Jack Smith IV of Mic, and Bernie Sanders campaign staffers, are evidence enough that the “wokest” workplaces will be filled with perverts.

    The solution is not to condemn women to be leered at by Brooklyn tech-cels, but to plan our society in a manner that encourages women to lead in the domestic sphere. By a 56% to 39% margin, American mothers responded to a 2015 Gallup poll that they “prefer the homemaker role” over “prefer[ing] to work outside the home.” Amazingly, 54% of employed mothers answered that they prefer to be homemakers, suggesting the decline in women staying home is a product of Neoliberalism’s plummeting standards of living, not a feminist awakening. This comes despite the intense pathologizing of stay-at-home mothers undertaken by physically repulsive Jewish feminists like Betty Friedan and Andrea Dworkin.

    Robinson’s women’s liberation shtick has already been tried by finance capitalism. The United States has planned its educational system and economy around treating women the same as men. Women are encouraged to defer childrearing for college and careers. We know the consequences! One in four American women are on anti-depressants and alcohol use disorder is up 83.7% among women since 2001. Despite having the right to abortion, free birth control, and access to executive positions, between 2000 to 2016 the U.S. suicide rate among women and girls increased by 50 percent!

    What happens when a society defends a mother’s right to be a homemaker? Well the declining numbers of unemployed were not the only measure of Germany’s improving economic outlook. Through a combination of economic recovery and monetary incentives, the number of marriages jumped by a quarter from 1932 to 1938. In 1933 Germany’s depression-era birthrate bottomed out at 14.7 live births per thousand population. Hitler’s exhortations for German couples to bear more children must have had some immediate effect, because the birthrate jumped to 18.0 in 1934 and increased steadily to 20.4 in 1939. By comparison the World Bank estimates that NATO-occupied Germany had 9.5 births per thousand in 2017, with roughly one-in-four babies born to foreign-born mothers.

  171. Sunshine says:
    @Rosie

    Thank you for proving my point. Because I don’t march in lockstep with the whole “sisterhood” BS, I’m somehow wrong. I’m also pretty sure they’re (((white people))) as almost everyone in business or positions of power, are. Even the women that are in those higher levels, are.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  172. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    Going to work was not the ideological Fukk you that you seem to believe it was. It was driven by much more practical and mundane considerations.

    In a debt money system, old debts are paid by new debts.

    After WW2, private debts had been canceled or paid down by public spending on war and via Reconstruction Finance Corporation.

    By the mid 1960’s the debt cycle was petering out, and the economy needed new debt slaves.

    Debt Free women were induced to enter into the workforce. Jewry was simultaneously issuing propaganda and spreading liberal nostrums.

    Your right, the practical and mundane consideration was due to price increases as a function of debt claims. Two income families is because of usury hidden in prices making prices go high and destroying one income families.

    The average woman, and many men are simple minded, and can be ensnared with platitudes. Evolution did not select women for guarding frontiers and being defenders of civilization.

    Allowing usury and debt mechanics (and Jews) into our white Patriarchy is our (white men) fault.

    You are simply a cork in the sea, bobbing on waves you cannot comprehend, and have lapped up feminist nostrums.

    Today, a speculative bubble of debt is being fueled by scab labor in the form of third world immigration.

    The Jew is our biggest problem, while simple minded white women are being used as tools and agents against their best interests. Go ride that cock carousel….you go girrrrl.

    Women in the 60’s and 70’s entering the workforce were scab labor and new debtors. Clown world has many authors, but mostly it is the malformed money system.

  173. Mefobills says:
    @Rosie

    That leaves a lot of time for paid employment, without compromising children’s well-being.

    What is to be done about that fact? Shorter working hours for all? Jobs for men only?

    I answered you earlier. You inject state capital. I didn’t belabor the point, so it flew over your head. In a finance capitalist system, the usurers deny that such a thing as state capital can exist. They lie.

    Women … AFTER THEY HAVE GIVEN BIRTH, and children return to school… there is room in the economy for women to fulfill their latent desires. You assume wrongly that a Patriarchy wants you to become useless and staring at the walls.

    In a fully robotized world that is coming, then goods will be produced with minimal labor. This problem is approaching fast.

    It will probably take war because most people cannot comprehend money (which means you). Doctrines such as Douglas Social Credit have already dealt with what you fear, and with the robotic revolution. What will labor do?

    You can do whatever improves the common weal, while finding fulfillment in being useful. Your survival is no longer contingent on laboring. You can labor and help others, start your own enterprise or not. It will take debt free money as Social Creditors have long proposed.

    How the debt free is taken up and injected so you can have a fulfilling life is beyond the scope here. The point remains, women …especially feminist women, have gone off the reservation – and that is due to clown world.

    I can’t predict the future, but there are answers.

  174. @Mefobills

    All encompassing truth in a single compound sentence followed by a necessary general statement of appropriate ridicule in a kind effort ot rehabilitate the self-destructive Jew-deceived:

    The Jew is our biggest problem, while simple minded white women are being used as tools and agents against their best interests. Go ride that cock carousel….you go girrrrl.

  175. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It’d be better if there were no virus, I’m sure you’d agree. An IFR of .1 is something I’m not going to worry about. .6 or .9%, given how easily the virus spreads, means everyone gets to experience the joy of mass death the way NY has.

    You likely have your own comfort level, as water seeks its own level. If yours is below .1%, I’m hoping you’re not too stressed by the disease confronting us, as its much worse than you are comfortable with.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  176. @Robert Dolan

    When this is over and the dust clears people are going to wonder what the hell happened and why did we wreck our economy for so little justification.

    I’ve been against the lockdown from the start. Reducing infection rate to prevent system collapse was likely obtainable with masking alone. I’m pretty sure the point of lockdown was to unemploy people who would then beg for a bailout; that bailout would include $.10 for the people, and $1 for Wall Street. Last time Wall Street asked for a bailout people opposed it. Not this time.

    There have been antibody studies all over the world at this point, Iceland, CA, etc. and they’ve found a significant percentage of people have been infected. So you can extrapolate and get a very high total number of infected…..which brings the death rate very low, about equal to the flu.

    New York City has a population of 8.9 million. A random survey of that population found 21% infected, about 1.87 million people. There have officially been 12247 deaths in NYC, maybe more since I looked it up. That’s over .6% for an IFR. If you look at the number of dead versus the population, all of whom cannot have been infected yet, 12247 constitutes .14% population death rate, which is much higher than the flu.

    Now, if that happens elsewhere in the USA, we are screwed. Got any ideas why it’s so high in NYC? I’d like some reassurance that if this thing gets as many infected in other places that a smaller percentage will die.

  177. Rosie says:
    @Sunshine

    Thank you for proving my point. Because I don’t march in lockstep with the whole “sisterhood” BS

    I don’t care what you think about “sisterhood.” I’d be willing to entertain you policy positions if you had any.

  178. @obwandiyag

    Double the workforce; half the wages.

    Absolutely true.

    Just one aspect of the jewish /feminist nation wrecking.

    A man used to be able to work ONE job and support a wife and children.

    Long gone.

    Now it takes a dual income to make ends meet.

    You can blame the Wall St. jews for outsourcing our jobs, while importing cheap brown labor, but certainly putting women to work was also a major disaster.

    Children pay a terrible price due to the neglect of working mothers.

    And family formation is curtailed as well.

    • Agree: Anti_barabas_ite
  179. Rosie says:
    @obwandiyag

    Double the workforce: half the wages. You still didn’t address this.

    Yes I did. You just didn’t get it.

    First of all, I’m not sure that’s true. You don’t seem like an economic expert to me, but then again I’m not either, and I’m generous enough to grant your premise.

    Let’s say it’s true. Even still, it doesn’t necessarily follow that excluding women is the correct way to address the issue. There are other ways to reduce the size of the workforce if that is in fact necessary, say by reducing the retirement age, or by reducing work hours.

    Your unwillingness to entertain any solution other than your own preferred backlash against women raises the suspicion that it’s not really about wages, for you, but something else.

  180. Rosie says:
    @Mefobills

    Your right, the practical and mundane consideration was due to price increases as a function of debt claims. Two income families is because of usury hidden in prices making prices go high and destroying one income families.

    The economics of this is above my pay grade, but ultimately the question isn’t where the low-income family came from, but whether it is good or bad, and what changes, if any, need to be made.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

    (BTW, I’m inclined to be sympathetic to the idea of social credit.)

    Evolution did not select women for guarding frontiers and being defenders of civilization.

    I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

    Go ride that cock carousel….you go girrrrl.

    What does the dread “cock carousel” have to do with women’s right to participate in aid employment. Are you suggesting that women shouldn’t be able to support themselves if they so choose so that men can control our sex lives?

    If so, that’s an awfully roundabout way to go about it, dontcha think? Wouldn’t an old-fashioned prohibition on fornication serve the purpose? Yes, men would also be liable to punishment under such a law, so there would be no double standard. Them’s the breaks. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  181. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    And it’d be better if we lived in the Garden of Eden, but we don’t, so there’s trade-offs. So what’s your point?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  182. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The official death count is a fabrication because any death accompanied by flu-like symptoms is attributed to Corona, and who knows how many deaths can be attributed to the lockdown itself. There is simply no reason to think this thing poses a sufficient threat to the general population to warrant scuttling the economy.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  183. @TomSchmidt

    .6% is still not something to panic about.

    That means you still have over a 99% chance of coming out fine.

    The whole episode reeks of manipulation of the populace.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Wielgus
  184. @Rosie

    You say that you agree with the “social credit system.”

    I doubt that you actually understand what that entails. It means that you no longer have any freedom and that you live under tyranny, and that your every move will be recorded and processed.

    We already have some aspects of the SCS operating here by way of the small hat control of social media and banking.

    The small hats WANT to transition into a China-like SCS with FR cameras everywhere….so if you criticize the jewish controlled government you get fired from your job.

    It’s insane.

    If you understand what the SCS is and you still approve of it, then you’re truly an idiot.

    The economic necessity of the two income family is a disaster for everyone concerned, and especially harmful to kids. The jews engineered this disaster by way of outsourcing jobs and production, importing foreign labor, and brainwashing women like yourself with stupid feminism.

    What the small hats did to women is tragic. They fixed it so that women are dependent on the state. They rewarded single moms and bastard children. They wrecked the family structure by attacking the white male “patriarchy.”

    Their goal was to curtail white family formation and they succeeded wildly.

    Whites are totally fucked.

    I don’t blame women. I blame the jews.

    But white women’s disloyalty is a sad fact as well.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  185. bjondo says:

    Best course of action for any gov’t to have taken
    regarding Fauxci-19 was to do nothing.
    Daily life as usual.

    Except China.
    China acted against an attack.

    Daily life as usual except for the orange suiting, disappearing of:
    Fauxci, Gates, various governors/mayors, other assorted fascists, profiteers.

    For ballpark F-19 deaths, divide reported Fauxi caused deaths by 1000 or 10000.

    5 dancing shlomos

  186. @Robert Dolan

    .6% of the USA population if 70% get infected is about 1.4 million people dying. Given that twice that number die every year, it’s not huge, but it’s going to cause a furor. By contrast, the current total, looking to end up about 100K nationally, will not give the press the body count to continue the ridiculous lockdowns.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @geokat62
  187. @Anonymous

    I’m not a person who agrees with the panic and lockdown. If we get .6% IFR, then not only do I worry a bit about myself, but I also know that there will be a pile of 1.4million dead in the USA, and that number will get any number of measures justified.

    You cannot un-eat the apple.

  188. Rosie says:
    @Robert Dolan

    “social credit system.”

    That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about debt-free currency.

    The economic necessity of the two income family is a disaster for everyone concerned, and especially harmful to kids.

    I don’t think anyone has said otherwise. Of course, the problem of latchkey kids could be solved by reducing the workday to match the school day. A woman only has preschool children for a few years, so if you want to control our lives beyond that, you’re going to have think of some other reason.

    brainwashing women like yourself with stupid feminism.

    You can carry on till Kingdom Come about how I’m “brainwashed,” but at the end of the day, you’re got have to come up with some sort of rational argument for your position that’s not a transparent pretext.

    They rewarded single moms and bastard children.

    Those of us born out-of-lock don’t like to be called “bastards.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/

    Their goal was to curtail white family formation and they succeeded wildly.

    Still waiting to see your evidence. I rather suspect the decline of marriage has more to do with secularism than women’s rights. Who knew killing God would result in pervasive despair, hedonism, despair, and anti-natalism? I mean really, noone could have predicted that!

    But white women’s disloyalty is a sad fact as well.

    What disloyalty? Go ahead and tell me what you think we did that was “disloyal”? I’ll wait.

    https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/affirmative-action-is-great-for-white-women-so-why-do-they-hate-it/

    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

    https://www.vogue.com/article/white-women-voters-conservative-trump-gop-problem

  189. @Anonymous

    You’re conflating two things there. This thing does not pose a threat to people under 50; it’s almost certain that the lockdown will kill more people by suicide from worsened circumstances in that group than the virus will. Since the median age in the USA is 38, more than half the people are locked down for a trifling threat to themselves.

    As to deaths, I’ve only paid attention to excess mortality as a real count; deaths are deaths, and hard to fake. I give most of the credit to Corona for that. In Europe, you see some extreme spikes, along with a number of countries with no corona death spike at all, in fact they are dying LESS during this time:
    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

    I think the lockdowns explain the under-dying; hard to die in a car crash when you cannot drive. But the spikes… Sweden has the same but lower spike other countries have. It went down without a lockdown. You cannot prove that the lockdowns were necessary in the forms adopted from those graphs.

  190. @TomSchmidt

    I’m not convinced the death rate is as high as .6%

    Fauci wrote a paper for the NEJM and said the virus has the same death rate as the flu at 0.1%.

    In any case…..the virus is here and it’s going to do what it’s going to do….either slowly or quickly.

    Sweden chose the smarter path, and as I said earlier, even the slimeballs at the WHO concede that Sweden might be right.

    The press, the govt., and the hospitals will continue to upsell/ lie regarding the numbers.

    There is no way this lockdown can continue without causing the complete and utter destruction of this country.

    I’m older….but I would rather go back to work and take my chances than see the country self destruct.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  191. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    For many years I have ignored the Jmedia because all they do is lie. I have no reason to believe they are not lying about Covid.

    I think this is how most of us doubters viewed coronavirus right from the start. We’ve just seen so many outrageous lies that we’ve learned to ignore them.

    The exception would be Ron Unz, who still seems to believe a sufficiently thorough reading of the MSM is enough to distill out hidden truths. He’s a slow learner.

  192. @TomSchmidt

    Reducing infection rate to prevent system collapse was likely obtainable with masking alone.

    The problem was that most countries initially did not even have enough masks for hospital staff, certainly not for their entire population. Those few countries that had enough masks did not collapse their systems.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @TomSchmidt
  193. geokat62 says:
    @TomSchmidt

    .6% of the USA population if 70% get infected is about 1.4 million people dying.

    Millions of Americans dying from this virus was never on the cards and this article by the Cato Institute explains why:

    Excerpts from, How One Model Simulated 2.2 Million U.S. Deaths from COVID-19:

    In short, the Imperial College projection that 81% of the U.S. population could be infected if everyone just did literally nothing to protect themselves or others is inconsistent with rational risk avoidance, history and recent experience. Even with a much smaller percentage infected, however, deaths could still end up extremely high if nearly 1% of those infected died, as the Ferguson team assumed…

    Epidemiologists have since found growing evidence that the number of undetected cases with few symptoms or none is much larger than merely doubling the small number of known and tested cases. A review of such research by the Oxford University Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine finds “a presumed estimate for the COVID-19 IFR somewhere between 0.1% and 0.36%.” A middling estimate of 0.22% would by itself reduce the infamous 2.2 million death estimate to half a million even if 81% were somehow infected.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  194. @Been_there_done_that

    Interesting thing is that this was a great example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. That there weren’t enough N95 masks to protect healthcare workers ought to lead to someone’s being fired. Won’t happen, but we can dream.

    The problem is, even with a less-than-ideal mask you cut down transmission. But that was actively opposed because a mask that cut down droplet load by, say, only 60% didn’t provide “protection.” Well, no: but it does cut down incoming particles and it does cut down outgoing, as well. If everyone wears one, you greatly reduce transmissibility even if people still are vulnerable.

    Czechia had that girl explaining masks, and showing home-made ones. We could have accomplished something like that with a face-covering order, but instead we got “masks don’t work”, except that they seemed to work for medical people.

  195. @Been_there_done_that

    Interesting thing is that this was a great example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. That there weren’t enough N95 masks to protect healthcare workers ought to lead to someone’s being fired. Won’t happen, but we can dream.

    The problem is, even with a less-than-ideal mask you cut down transmission. But that was actively opposed because a mask that cut down droplet load by, say, only 60% didn’t provide “protection.” Well, no: but it does cut down incoming particles and it does cut down outgoing, as well. If everyone wears one, you greatly reduce transmissibility even if people still are vulnerable.

    Czechia had that girl explaining masks, and showing home-made ones. We could have accomplished something like that with a face-covering order, but instead we got “masks don’t work”, except that they seemed to work for medical people.

  196. @Robert Dolan

    “There is no way this lockdown can continue without causing the complete and utter destruction of this country.”

    I think that ship has sailed. The lockdown is the deathknell for the neoliberal economic system. There won’t be a next bailout, since no one will buy the 8trillion in bonds that looks like the size of it. We are at the end.

    While it’s a disaster for the working class, at least they’ve been getting by on little. The wealthy and rentier class is in for a nightmare.

  197. bjondo says:

    “Infected”, such a terrifying word.

    Especially when the numbers and medical science
    are drawn out of a cracker jacks box.

    Current Fauxci-19 infection akin
    to a light breeze upon the skin for most.

    Watch out for dirt on hands.
    Might spread dirt.

    Gates and Fauxci are watching.

    5 dancing shlomos

  198. Ahhhh, I didn’t realize Andrew Anglin was a Doctor.

    That’s good to know, given he’s such a piece of S**t otherwise.

    • Disagree: Sunshine
  199. sb says:

    For the record

    Australia was quite selective in what WHO positions it followed . In fact the National Government has shown a distinct lack of enthusiasm for quoting any WHO viewpoints .
    (The Australian PM is a Conservative Evangelic Christian of the happy clappy variety whom I suspect is unenthusiastic about many of the UN agencies )
    For instance it stopped flights from China before the US and mandated that all travellers from China spend 14 days in a third country before embarking to Australia

  200. Smith says:

    Hoax or no hoax, the Tik Tok nurses phenomenon thing is the funniest shit ever.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=PbapuhCq1nk

    Nothing says a overwhelmed hospital and war zone and people dying than nurses twerking with BIG BOOTIES.

    I’ve been laughing at this shit for fucking hours.

    Holy shit, I wish WW3 happen and then we take our phones and make a tik tok dance video, just like Bollywood.

    • LOL: schnellandine
  201. Joe Webb says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    A conversation for the ages. A psychopath and a Lizard True Believer.

    Spencer ia an alcoholic and a narcissist. Don’t know Tommy Morrison.

    White Nationalism has allowed the Bad for Business 88 psychosis to infect at least half of itself.

    One small correction re GJ: Trump never suggested injecting Lysol, etc. GJ has been watching too much MSNBC….GJ’s obsession with Trump-as-Moron, suggests envy.

    Trump, complete with warts, is the only thing we have had until now with the Corona Virus which is the next best thing for saving Whites, besides Trump. The Third World and China are now feared by “ordinary” Americans..

    Joe Webb

  202. mary-lou says:
    @Felix Krull

    this is not a very nice thing to say. it’s also not quite true, shame on you.

  203. @TomSchmidt

    “Until there’s an explanation for the very high IFR in NYC…”

    There already is an explanation: the NYC numbers are bogus.

    “Here is NYC outstripping even the State of New York with an eye-watering 1.9 million New Yorkers
    per 100m population, or 2 in every 100, 1 in 50 of the entire population of New York City. And all this has happened in Lockdown making it the single greatest medical and policy failure in US history. Does he (Cuomo) have any reason to grin other than perhaps because he knows perfectly well that the figures are entirely bogus, in line with the empty hospitals shown to us on YouTube?”

  204. @Robert Dolan

    Robert,

    I agree with a lot of what you wrote, and the deaths reported for the coronavirus are open to manipulation, both the over-reporting and the under-reporting. But from what I can see so far, total deaths in many locations affected by the virus do seem to be overly high.

    I am still not convinced by JF. One thing is he mentions that the current running time-series of total deaths is over-imposed over the average of past seasons, and sure if data are so represented current deaths would appear more imposing than they actually are. However, there are graphs showing time series of deaths of each of the past years and still the peak of current deaths is apparent. Another thing he mentions is the areas under the curves. Of course there could be more deaths under a lower and wider curve than under a short but sharper one, but that really doesn’t say much. When an increase in deaths is observed in a short period of time at a specific location it is still a cause of concern and there must be some underlying cause, even though when averaged over the entire country or a longer time period, such deaths may not be as apparent. I’d like to see better data representation and more widely available data for more years going back longer in time to really be sure. We know statistical presentation of data can be misused to misrepresent reality, and while JF is correct in criticising how the MSM and the health authorities are doing this by being selective in what they show us and how they show it, I’m not sure he isn’t doing the same for the other side. I’d like to see a more unbiased analysis.

  205. Wielgus says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Compare this to about 30% mortality for smallpox, and perhaps 50%+ for the plague in the Middle Ages.

  206. @geokat62

    In short, the Imperial College projection that 81% of the U.S. population could be infected if everyone just did literally nothing to protect themselves or others is inconsistent with rational risk avoidance, history and recent experience.

    The problem right there: they really do think people outside their bubble are loing cattle, unable to take any self-protective actions.

    • Agree: geokat62
  207. geokat62 says:

    A policy for the enlightened:

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