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Lev Gumilev

Lev Nikolaevich Gumilev (1912-1992) is a Russian historian, geographer and ethnologist who occupies an important place in the post-Soviet Russian cultural landscape. His positive reappraisal of the alliance between Russian Muscovy and the Tatar Golden Horde makes him the prime academic reference in the widening circle of Neo-Eurasianist intellectuals. Countless monuments, conferences, publications and doctoral theses are dedicated to him. Vladimir Putin mentioned him several times in public speeches, praising his “unique contribution to the development of national and world scientific thought.”

Gumilev’s groundbreaking revisionism of the “Tatar yoke” is interesting in its own right. But what makes him all the more fascinating is that he also carries a solid reputation for anti-Semitism, as illustrated, for example, by chapter VI of the book Russia Between East and West (Brill, 2007), titled “Anti-Semitism In Eurasian Historiography: The Case Of Lev Gumilev,” where the author claims that “the very edifice of Gumilev’s theory promotes an anti-Semitic agenda.” While Gumilev’s depiction of some Jewish communities as “ethno-parasites” comparable to “pernicious bacterias” would earn him utter dishonor in the West—if his name were to become known—they do not seem to tarnish his fame in Russia and in Central Asia. There hardly seems to be any controversy about it.

For those two reasons—the significance of Gumilev’s work in Eurasian geopolitics, and the lack of condemnation of his critic of Jewish parasitism in Russia—it seems interesting to get better acquainted with this remarkable figure. Unfortunately, I do not read Russian, and none of Gumilev’s work is available in French, while only one of his books has been translated into English, Searches for an Imaginary Kingdom: The Legend of the Kingdom of Prester John (Cambridge University Press, 1989, available here). I am therefore relying mostly on one book by the American Jewish scholar Mark Bassin, The Gumilev Mystique, critical of him but nevertheless well informed, and, I assume, honest in his translations. A few articles by Bassin are also available on Internet.

Lev Gumilev is the son of two of Russia’s greatest poets of the twentieth century, Nikolai Gumilev and Anna Akhmatova, both persecuted by Soviet authorities. His father was arrested and executed by the Bolsheviks as a counterrevolutionary in 1921. Lev spent himself thirteen years in Stalinist prisons and labor camps, and even after his return from banishment in 1956, remained under surveillance by the KGB until his retirement in the early 1980s.

In 1962, he was appointed as a research associate on the faculty of Geography in Leningrad State University, and his ideas developed as part of a broader movement among Soviet ethnographers seeking new perspectives on the nature of ethnicity. His rise to celebrity began during Gorbachev’s perestroika at the end of the 1980s, and since the collapse of the USSR it has continued to the present day. Russian nationalists and many members of today’s ruling elite have embraced his work. With perhaps some exaggeration, Mark Bassin writes:

His stature and reputation today are indeed immense, not only in Russia but across the former Soviet Union as well. Gumilev is freely compared to Herodotus and Karl Marx, Oswald Spengler and Albert Einstein, and his works have sold literally millions of copies. In bookstores they fill not shelves but entire bookcases. Since the 1990s, there have been at least half a dozen competing projects to publish his collected writings, and many books and dozens of graduate dissertations have been written about his life and work. One of his books has been adopted as a textbook for Russian high schools, and his ideas can be found littered throughout the curriculum. Organizations have been established dedicated exclusively to developing his legacy, the largest of which—the Lev Gumilev Center based in Moscow—has branches in St. Petersburg, Baku, and Bishkek, and continues to expand. There is a Lev Gumilev Street in the capital of the Kalmyk republic Elista, a large public monument to him in the center of Kazan, and his bust is prominently displayed in scientific institutes in Moscow, Ufa, Yakutsk, and elsewhere. In Kazakhstan, a major university in the capital Astana proudly bears his name. On the centenary of his birth in 2012 the Kazakh government reaffirmed its veneration of his memory by naming a mountain in the Altai range in the eastern part of the country “Gumilev Peak” and issuing a commemorative postage stamp in his honor. Gumilev’s ideas are regularly invoked by leading politicians across the former Soviet Union, not least the Russian president Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who praises Gumilev’s “extraordinary talents” and the “unique impact” that his ideas have had. Indeed, Putin makes very clear the Gumilevian inspiration behind a major foreign-policy initiative of his third term—the establishment of a “Eurasian Union” among the former Soviet states.

The Russian-Turkic Ethnic Fusion

Gumilev is mostly respected as an expert on the steppe tribes of inner Eurasia: the Scythians, the Xiongnu, the Huns, Turks, Khitai, Tanguts and Mongols. The most influential part of his work is about the relations that developed between the Russians and the steppe nomads, from Mongolia to Eastern Europe. This research is synthesized in his magnum opus, Ancient Rus and the Great Steppe, published three years before his death. Gumilev’s principal interest was in the khaganate known as the Golden Horde, which in the thirteenth century invaded and conquered the lands of ancient Russia.

He interpreted the reign of national hero and Orthodox saint Alexander Nevsky as the most important example of interethnic complementarity between the Slavs and the Tatars. He underscored the presence and influence of Nestorian Christians among the latter, and the historical importance of Nevsky’s friendship with the son of the great khan Batu. Their sworn “eternal brotherhood” formed an alliance “to halt the advance of the Germans, who wanted to reduce the remnants of the ancient Russian population to serfdom.” For his part, Nevsky sent his own troops to help the Golden Horde fight the Alans and other nomadic groups. This alliance enabled ancient Rus′ to resist the encroachment of the forces of the West under papal mandate, and was the key to Muscovy’s emergence as a great power. Ultimately, the interaction between Russo-Slavs and Tatar-Mongols must be viewed “not as the subjugation of Rus′ by the Golden Horde,” as traditionally depicted by the Westernized historiography elaborated under the Romanovs, but rather as an “ethnic symbiosis,” a union between two ethnies for their mutual benefit. Russia began its modern existence as a “Russian-Tatar country” and has remained so ever since.

Alexander Nevsky meets a Mongol ambassador in Sergei Eisenstein’s masterpiece (1938)
Alexander Nevsky meets a Mongol ambassador in Sergei Eisenstein’s masterpiece (1938)

The value of this new interpretation of Russian identity in geopolitical diplomacy cannot be overestimated. It justifies, for one thing, Gumilev’s stardom in the Russian republic of Tatarstan. After Gumilev’s death in 1992, the government of Tatarstan sponsored a memorial at his gravesite in the Alexander Nevsky Monastery in St. Petersburg, and a memorial plaque on the apartment block where he last lived (photo on the book cover of Bassin’s The Gumilev Mystique). A large international conference on “The Ideas of Eurasianism in the Scientific Legacy of Lev Nikolaevich Gumilev” was held in 2004 in the capital of Tatarstan (Kazan). The following year, on the occasion of the thousand-year anniversary of the city, a statue of Gumilev was erected, bearing the inscription of his memorable declaration: “I am a Russian who has spent his entire life defending Tatars against insults.” Vladimir Putin attended the unveiling of the monument together with Tatar president Mintimer Shaimiev. Shaimiev’s successor, Rustam Minnikhanov, confirmed the “enormous respect and deep gratitude” of the Tatar people to Gumilev’s memory.

Gumilev is equally honored as a great benefactor in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet Republic that became independent in 1991. Kazakh president Nursultan Nazarbaev (1990-2019), the first post-Soviet leader to call for the creation of a “Eurasian Union,” inaugurated in 1996 the Lev-Gumilev Eurasian National University in his new capital city of Astana. In October 2000 Putin traveled to Astana to sign a convention establishing a Eurasian Economic Community, and a few years later, speaking at the Lev-Gumilev University, called attention to the importance of Gumilev for this Eurasianism project. Gumilev, he said, had made a “brilliant contribution not only to the development of historical thinking but also to the affirmation of the ideas of commonality through the ages and the interrelatedness of the peoples who settled the massive spaces of Eurasia, from the Baltic to the Carpathians and the Pacific Ocean.” In 2012 Vladimir Putin gave his public endorsement to Nazarbaev’s project, and in January 2015 the Eurasian Economic Union came into existence.

Vladimir Putin meets Nursultan Nazarbaev
Vladimir Putin meets Nursultan Nazarbaev

Although I have not found any information regarding public interest for Gumilev in Turkey, it is obvious that his assertion of the common ethnic bond between Turks and Russians is also potentially significant for future relations between Turkey and Russia, two empires which have often been at war in the nineteenth century, for the benefit of the British empire which used the former to “contain” the second. Israel Shamir has made this point in a magnificent article titled “Ottoman Empire, Please Come Back!”, dated August 29, 2005. Quoting Gumilev’s word that “Russia is unbeatable in its union with the brave Turks,” Shamir wished that Moscow and Constantinople—now Istanbul—those two heirs to the glory of Byzantium, would join in a new great civilization capable of resisting the pernicious influence of the West. He mentions that:

In a recent book, The Eurasian Symphony by St Petersburg writer van Zaichik, an alternative history of our [Eastern] part of the world is proposed. What would have happened if the Turkic Golden Horde’s enlightened ruler Sartak Khan, a friend of St Alexander Nevsky, had survived an assassination attempt and, as a consequence, the Russians and the Turks had remained in one prosperous state? Van Zaichik calls this resulting empire ‘Ordus’, an amalgam of Horde and Rus, embracing the bulk of the Eurasian landmass. Ordus is a land where modernity has incorporated tradition and religion; the family has remained intact; and even though there are wealthy men, the unbridled pursuit of wealth is frowned upon.

This vision of a new Russia reunited with Turkey owes much to Gumilev. But it has a long prior history in Russian geopolitical philosophy. Gumilev’s reappraisal of the “Tatar yoke” as a positive ethnic and civilizational bond expounded on the writings of earlier Russian historians such as Nikolay Karamzin (1766-1826) who, in one chapter of his 12-volume History of the Russian State, underscored the positive outcomes of the Turko-Mongol rule. Constantin Leontiev (1831-1891), a major pioneer of Eurasianism, also contributed greatly to raising awareness of Russia’s Asian history and destiny. Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1822-1881) himself became a prophet of Eurasianism at the height of his fame and the end of his life. I found in one of his latest entry in his Writer’s Diary an interesting comparison between what America has meant for Europeans, and what Asia should now mean for Russians: “to us Asia is like the then undiscovered America. With our aspiration for Asia, our spirit and forces will be regenerated” (January 1881, ch. II, §4). If we consider that the spiritual degradation of the West ultimately goes back to the way Europeans dealt with the natives in the Americas, then we can hope that a win-win Russian-Asian alliance will foster a new world order of a completely different nature.

Gumilev’s Theory of Ethnogenesis

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Goumilev is a theorist of ethnogenesis. He is regarded as an essentialist who sees ethnos as a fundamental category of human social life. All ethnies, he believes, are distinguished from one another by their “special behavioral language,” or “behavioral stereotype.” This refers to “a strictly defined norm governing the relationships between the collective and the individual and between the individuals themselves. This norm operates imperceptibly in all aspects of life and daily routine.” It is passed between generations by “signal inheritance,” a process that enables children spontaneously “to assimilate a behavioral stereotype that represents adaptive skills,” and in the final analysis is the key to all ethnic survival.

Gumilev stresses the intrinsic interconnection between organic life and geographical environment. “Regardless of their size, the overwhelming majority of ethnies live or lived in particular territories, where they formed a part of the biocenosis of the respective landscape, and together with it formed a sort of ‘closed system.’” Only in its natural home could an ethnos secure its survival in a healthy manner. Its behavioral stereotype, its material culture, economy , and spiritual life were all inextricably tied to the specific environmental conditions of its “ecological niche”. When a people migrates into a substantially different landscape, the settlers eventually develop entirely new ethnic traits, a process Gumilev calls “ethnic divergence.” If an ethnic group moves into another people’s territory, several outcomes can result, from the group’s demise to its amalgamation with the natives.

There is, however, a specially “unhealthy” mode of ethnic interaction, by which a migrant ethnos can survive intact despite displacement, at the expense of the native ethnos. Unable to establish itself as an organic part of the new region and to draw sustenance from it in a normal fashion, the invader ethnos resorts to the exploitation of indigenous ethno-ecological systems. Gumilev famously termed this particular situation, in which two ethnies occupy a single ecological niche, a “chimera” (khimera). He borrowed the designation from the natural sciences.

An example of a chimeric relationship in zoology is that which forms when tapeworms are present inside an animal’s organs. Whereas the animal is able to exist without the parasite, the parasite will perish without its host. When the parasite lives in the body of the former, however, it takes part in its life cycle. By necessitating an increased inflow of nutrition and introducing its hormones into the blood and bile of its host organism, the parasite alters its host’s biochemistry.

In the realm of the ethnosphere, Gumilev characterized a chimera as an “ethno-parasite” that “exploits the indigenous population of the country, along with its flora, fauna, and precious minerals.” Just like “a population of bacteria or infusoria [a type of single-celled organisms]” that “spreads through the internal organs of the person or animal,” a chimeric invasion can be fatal for the indigenous ethnos, as it draws on the life energies and resources of their host organisms. Gumilev also compared the relationship between a chimera and an indigenous ethnos to a cancerous tumor. “The latter can grow only with the organism and not beyond it, and it lives exclusively at the expense of the host organism.” Just like a cancer, an ethnic chimera “sucks its sustenance out of the indigenous ethnos.”

The invader ethnos is itself also irredeemably degraded, but in a way that strengthens rather than weakens it. Uprooted ethnies survive precisely by developing traits that, however unnatural, give them critical advantages over their cohabitants. As their rootlessness becomes structural, it is turned into internalized skills to penetrate and prosper virtually anywhere.

A Jewish coup in Khazaria

Gumilev mentions several rather obscure examples of “chimera”, but he was mostly concerned with the particular case of the Jewish people. According to Mark Bassin,

Gumilev’s singular preoccupation with this particular problem runs like a red thread through the entirety of his work, indeed it can be argued that all of his theories and historical reconstructions are driven in significant measure by it. In Gumilev’s understanding, the Jews … emerge as a prototypical chimera and antisystem whose ethnic life history provides the best evidence of the disruption and devastation that this sort of negative ethnic contact is certain to entail.

Because their rupture with their original environment occurred at an early stage in their ethnogenetic cycle, Jews developed the ability to penetrate into all types of natural landscapes, and even codified their strategies in the Talmud. Wherever they settled, they acted as a chimera in regard to indigenous populations, deliberately fostering “skepticism and indifference” in order to erode the spiritual and moral resistance of their hosts and extend their dominance over them.

Gumilev, unlike Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn later, did not elaborate on the effect of the Jewish chimera on modern Russia. Rather, he invested his energy into the archeological, ethnographic, historical and geographical study of the Central Asian kingdom of Khazaria in the early Middle Ages. Gumilev treated Khazaria as his most fully developed illustration of an ethnic chimera. According to him, the Khazars developed harmonious interactions with all of their neighboring ethnies, to the exception of the Talmudic Jews. They had no problem with the Karaite Jews, who ignored the Talmud and recognized only the Torah, being therefore closer in spirit to Christianity and Islam. Everything changed in the seventh century when Jewish immigrants fleeing persecution in Persia and Byzantium poured into the Eurasian steppe. The most aggressive of these newcomers were the Radhanite Jews—medieval merchants active in the trade routes that connected the Christian and Islamic worlds with the Far East at the end of the first millennium AD.

Unlike the Karaites, the Radhanites were followers of the Rabbinic tradition. They were a “brutal ethnos” without moral scruples. Their monopolization of the caravan trade brought them fabulous wealth, which came in great part from the slave trade—mostly young girls and boys taken from the indigenous populations of eastern Europe. The fact that “Slav” came to mean “slave” testifies to the extent of this trade.

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These Jewish merchants settled in large number in the Khazar capital Itil, and by the eighth century they had formed a foreign elite and gained ever-increasing political influence. The situation came to a head in the early ninth century when a Jewish prince seized power and made Rabbinic Judaism the official religion of state. The coup was resisted by the local population, and led to a bloody civil war which the Jewish caste won by hiring mercenaries. Although the mass of ethnic Khazars were eventually constrained to submit to the authority of the Jewish elite, they never converted to Judaism, which remained exclusively the faith of the political authorities. With this, Gumilev concludes, Khazaria was transformed into a full-fledged ethnic chimera. “In their very own country,” the Khazars became “the conquered, disenfranchised, and powerless subjects of a government that was foreign to them in terms of its ethnicity, its religion, and it goals.”

Jewish Khazaria became a “merchant octopus,” building an elaborate international network of alliances with major foreign powers, including the Tan dynasty in China, the Carolingians and their successors in Northern Europe, the Bagdad caliphate, and the Varangians from Scandinavia.

Kievan Rus’ came into competition and conflict with the Khazars and, in 965, the Khazar empire collapsed under the blows of the Kievian prince Sviatoslav. The surviving Judeo-Khazar elite scattered across Eurasia and Europe. Some retreated to Crimea, others fled to the West. Many, according to Gumilev, remained active in Rus′ lands, encouraging hostilities between the Russian princes and inciting the steppe peoples to attack the Russians.

Conclusion

Obviously, Gumilev’s extremely negative interpretation of the Jewish diaspora, and of the Radhanite Jews in particular, falls clearly under the category of the worst anti-Semitic tropes according to today’s Western (Jewish) standard. His depiction of uprooted Jews as ethno-parasites is reminiscent of the words printed by Henry Ford in 1920:

the genius of the Jew is to live off people; not off land, nor off the production of commodities from raw material, but off people. Let other people till the soil; the Jew, if he can, will live off the tiller. Let other people toil at trades and manufacture; the Jew will exploit the fruits of their work. That is his peculiar genius. If this genius be described as parasitic, the term would seem to be justified by a certain fitness. (The International Jew, November 13, 1920)

It is therefore highly significant that, rather than being “cancelled” and persecuted as is for example in America Kevin MacDonald, Gumilev’s name is held in great esteem in Russia and among peoples aspiring to play their part in the emerging Eurasia, notably the Kazhaks, whose country overlaps the ancient land of the indigenous Khazars (although the identity of the two ethnies cannot be confirmed).

Gumilev’s celebrity is more extraordinary than Solzhenitsyn’s, because Gumilev’s writings about Jews is an integral part of his scholarly work, whereas Solzhenitsyn published his two volumes on the relationship between Russians and Jews (Two Centuries Together: 1795-1995) only at the end of his life. Both men, however, are held as cultural giants in Russia, and neither suffered any official blame from their criticism of Jews.

Since Solzhenitsyn’s last work has been banned by the Judeo-Anglo-American publishing community (but translated in French), it is appropriate to end this article by mentioning that his analysis is consistent with Gumilev’s theory of the chimera. One of the most parasitic influences of Jews on Russians that Solzhenitsyn mentions came from their monopoly on the manufacture and sale of vodka that had been granted to them by the Polish nobility. Solzhenitsyn based his claim on official documents, such as a report from the Belarusian administration stating: “The presence of Jews in the countryside has harmful consequences for the material and moral state of the peasant population, because the Jews … promote drunkenness of the local population.” The Russian poet and statesman Gavrila Derzhavin wrote, in an investigative report intended for the emperor and the high dignitaries of the empire:

In every village there is one and sometimes several taverns built by the landlords, in which, for the profit of the Jewish tenants, vodka is sold day and night… In this way the Jews succeed to extract from them not only their daily bread, but also that which is sown in the ground, as well as their agricultural tools, their goods, their time, their health, their very life.

Solzhenitsyn was violently criticized in the West for having expressed aloud this ancient grievance of the Russians against the Jews. It is therefore heartening to know that an Israeli professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Dr Judith Kalik, is now vindicating him, implicitly. Her thesis was even relayed by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz under the title “The Link Between the History of Vodka and Antisemitism: Historical research reveals a gloomy chapter in the relations between Jews and Christians in Eastern Europe.” In this short video titled “Vodka and Rural Jews in Eastern Europe,” she summarizes her findings:

 
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  1. enlightening essay. Gumilev is, of course,

    fundamentally correct: the Jews, particularly the Khazar-derived Ashkenaz,

    are a combination of tapeworm and scorpion:

    (((they))) bloodsuck a particular civilizational Host for awhile,

    then kill it and slither on to the next.

    • Agree: Rev. Spooner, annamaria
  2. So, “a solid reputation for anti-Semitism”. Wow! Such magnificent praise!

    • Replies: @Anon
  3. Because their rupture with their original environment occurred at an early stage in their ethnogenetic cycle, Jews […]

    I hope the great author of this great article will pardon my ignorance, but … what rupture? The nasty bunch of Egyptians that went and settled in Canaan to escape murder charges? The incredible number of Jews who sprung up all over Europe and Persia following the incredible conquests and the death of Alexander the Great, and the rabbinical proselytizing that swarmed all over that region in consequence? Or the Talmudists’ extermination of the Hellenistic Jews? Or the false pretence that the Romans drove all the Hebrews out of that part of South Syria near Jerusalem?

    I didn’t know there was a “rupture”. Please enlighten me.

  4. I think its still possible that some Ashkenazi could derive from multiple locations. Perhaps a combination of Rhineland Hypothesis and Khazaria and Turkey.

    Remember the elite Jews (merchants and bankers) would spread and travel everywhere. They would be close to kings. Later as small groups they would create societies that attract other Jews and finally gentiles into freemasonry. This would lead to emancipation of Jews. Its tempting for kings and those seeking power or emancipation.

    Also being a very old people and travelling/getting kicked out, they could possibly have knowledge of ancient groups like the Assassins in the Middle East, perhaps the Templars, and others.

    The vodka selling seems similar to Jews making money during prohibition in more recent times. One example would be the Bronfman crime family.

    Apparently the Jews can pass on their genes through not only the motherline but also through the
    fatherline. The Levite and Cohanim. They can assimilate with gentiles and convert or remain hidden along with other crypto Jews.

  5. anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    The Russian people are generations ahead of Americans when it comes to understanding of the jew. They endured the jew at the cost of millions of Russian lives – tens of millions, in fact. The Americans, because they are decadent, low-IQ types, welcomed the jews as friends and saviors even after the carnage jews spread elsewhere. I doubt that Americans will ever have a nuanced understanding of jews because they have conflated jews with worship of God. Because of that, I hope the parasite kills them off. That a huge number of Americans see Russia as their true enemy, and not Israel, shows just how idiotic and irresponsible the average americunt is. Think of all of the destructive “isms” that hollowed out American society, and note that all of them were spearheaded by jews. It is about accruing power to the tribe, not serving America, even as they pretend to be Americans. The world would be better served if the US fell. It has outlived its useful life.

  6. Kali says:

    then we can hope that a win-win Russian-Asian alliance will foster a new world order of a completely different nature.

    “There will be an answer,
    Let it be.”

    With love,
    Kali.

    Now going back to reading this wonderful essay…

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  7. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Good questions, but I’m merely summarizing, paraphrasing or quoting Gumilev’s view here, as Bassin exposes them. Nowhere in this article did I express personal views about the history of the Jews, Hebrews, Israelites, etc.

  8. Very interesting article, Mr. Guyénot. Thanks!

    • Agree: Liza
  9. Kali says:

    Ordus is a land where modernity has incorporated tradition and religion; the family has remained intact; and even though there are wealthy men, the unbridled pursuit of wealth is frowned upon.

    You bring us the gift of a glimps through the macroscope toward an unfolding historic proccess, as it reaches forward towards a possible (and even possibly inevitable?) future.

    This is food for the soul, dear author. The “pilgrim” in me feels like I’ve found my way home.

    Many thanks,
    Kali.

  10. Oh Wow, what an intellectual giant.
    Deepest respect for L. N. Gumilev.

    And I had never encountered his name here in the stupid Mickey Mouse west.
    Nothing of this stature exists here.

    Merci Laurent Guyénot for this coverage of such a brilliant star.

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  11. Thank you for this. I read the Prester John book years ago and enjoyed it immensely. I never had any inkling the author had these views on Khazars. I have been looking for information on this topic for well over a year and still have not found one single trustworthy source.

  12. Tristero says:

    Regarding Turkish receptivity to Gumilev’s ideas, I recall seeing Turkish translations of some of his books on sale there 20 years ago.

    Searching under “Gumilev” on a large Turkish booksite, roughly equivalent to Amazon, I see that there are three titles now in print:

    https://www.kitapyurdu.com/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=gumilev

    Finally, some other books by and/or about Gumilev, in various languages, can be found for download here:

    http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=gumilev&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def

  13. Thank you, Monsieur Guyenot for conveying to Western eyes and minds the amazing intellectual achievements of Lev Gumilev. Thanks also to Kali for alerting me to this mind-opening essay.

    Among my takes are that the subtle insinuations of those posters on Unz and elsewhere that Putin is in league with the Cabal and the WEF types and THEIR “rules based” New World Order. With some secondary understanding of Solzhenitsyn’s “200 Years Together” and now this brief on the Eurasian philosophy elicited and substantiated by Gumilev; it becomes abundantly clear that those insinuations are likely the clever machinations of Western and Mossad intel types.

    Long have I come to the realization that Talmudic Judaism is culturally parasitic. Historical underpinnings of ethno-parasitism as conceptualized by Gumilev and the role of the Radhanite Jews in inducing a Khazarian prince to overthrow the government of the Khazarian “folk” was an eye-opening aperture into a deeper understanding of the process of deracination and how that tribal nation was alienated from amicable relationships with their Slavic, Turkic and Persian neighbors.

    Noteworthy, was the role of the ruler of Kievan Rus, Sviatoslav, in his destruction of that deracinated and parasitized Khazarian state in 965 AD. The slave-taking raids on peaceful Slavic villages apparently was the proverbial straw which broke the camel’s back and thus, induced the destruction of the Khazarian empire. Most interesting as a historical resonance is the currently proposed move by the Talmudist government in Kiev to evacuate the place.

    Talmudist revanchism knows no bounds, contemporary or historical. Some 1,057 years after Kievan Rus, a political and cultural entity which was the product of a Swedish Varangian yeast amongst previously tribal Slavic folk; demolished the Khazarian Talmudist empire; the assault on the population of Kiev is proof of the pudding. Yes, the undergirding agenda for a NovoKhazaria is quite visible between the lines.

    It is unfortunate that the demolition of the slavetaking empire has historically become something like throwing water upon a gasoline fire. The ethnographic-parasites have spread all over the place and have succeeded in transforming America, the land of hope, into a hollow shell of its onetime dream. The current U$$A, due in large measure to the Federal Reserve Act and the Income Tax Act three years later, has indeed become a ruptured republic.

    Perhaps, under the helmsmanship of V.V. Putin, in fair measure a product of the historically based ethnography of Gumilev and Solzhenitsyn, will become the template for a renaissance culture, stretching from the Black and Baltic seas in the far west clear to the Pacific shores of Vladivostok and the Bering Straits…the Eurasian Millennium may be segueing from its infancy into its toddlerhood. Much credit may be due to the three aforementioned men of vision, foresight and deeply considered action.

  14. Solzhenitsyn based his claim on official documents, such as a report from the Belarusian administration stating: “The presence of Jews in the countryside has harmful consequences for the material and moral state of the peasant population, because the Jews … promote drunkenness of the local population.”

    Once again, Jews promote and profit from the debauchery and drunkenness of the goyim. The same applies to their promotion of porn, societal deviancy, and revolutionary and soul-destroying ideologies among the goy. I remember years ago an Orthodox rabbi telling me that it’s okay for young Jewish males to fornicate with non-Jews, but this sort of thing is prohibited among Jewish girls. They are not to be used in the same fashion. Gentile girls are okay to ‘sow one’s wild oats’ with so long as the Jewish man brings home a nice Jewish girl.

    It’s another indicator that while most modern Jews may not speak of gentiles as “dogs” and “beasts” as does their Talmud, yet they have no problem treating us as if we were.

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  15. IronForge says:

    Khazar-Ashkenazi.

    The corridor of Khazaria and Northeastern Turkic Ishkenaz (confirmed by an Israeli Geneticist) appear to be the Regions the “Ashkenazi Jewish” – mostly Converts – gained their Critical Mass to become one Ethnic Jewish Faction.

    Many Ashkenazi who Emigrated from Europe were refuting the Geneticist’s Claims until recently.

    So we have the Major Factions of Khazar-Ashkenazi and Sephardi (MENA/Mediterranean), Mitzrahim (Iran/Iraq), and minor Migrant Diaspora Enclaves.

    When I studied Judaism for awhile in the latter 00s, I recalled that J4Jeezus/ChristoCults/Mormons were engaged in the Stalking/Proselytization of “Newly Discovered Jewish Enclaves” and people just studying Judaism. What’s worse is that the Conservative/Masorti/Masonic Jews (I later became more aware of the Masonic/Illuminati/Chabad Zionists clustering amongst the Conservative Congregations. Had I been better informed, I probably would have found an Independent/ModernOrthodox/Sephardi/Reformed Congregation as a Host.

    Thanks to Masons, Chabad, J4Js, Mormons, JWs, Christian “Deprogramming Interventionists, Mitzrahim, and other hateful amongst the Congregations – I didn’t “Integrate”. Perhaps if I were back in the East Coast taking courses through the ModernOrthodox/Sephardim, I may have joined them after leaving Christianity.

    Glad it didn’t take. I’ve met some good people; but since I didn’t Court/Marry a Jewish Dame, I wasn’t obligated to continue my studies. Imagine the Semesters of Modern Hebrew, Judaism+Cantoral Classes where there’s always some disruptive Stalker CultMonkey trying to start socializing with you – while their JW/Mormon associates keep showing up at your Door as you tell them to get lost…

    So glad to find out that Jesus Never Existed and Christianity was a 4thCE Cult Sponsored by Constantine. Took awhile to deal with the fact that my Cultural upbringing was partly ingrained by the Foul Christian Demagoguery/Pedagogy that actually carried on for centuries – and now Humanity can be freed from the Cultural/Spiritual/Ideological Entrapments of the ChristoCult, their Derivatives, and Masonic-Zionist Associates.

  16. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Kali

    If Kali liked the essay, then it’s likely I’ll like it, too. So I put a pin in it with this comment. Hope things are going well for you. I thought of you when I harvested my first potato which I had planted with your encouragement. I turned it into a yummy hasselback potato! Blessings to you!!! IreneAthena

    • Replies: @Kali
  17. I am confused by some statements here. Khazaria was an alien ruled empire, and the aliens were Jews, and the bulk of the population remained unconverted to Judaism, according to this article. But then, were they ethnically different?

    Because, the present day descendants of Khazaria’s Jews are ethnically closer to Turks than to either Mongols or Hebrews. Therefore their ancestors who captured Khazaria must have been ethnically closer to Turks. And the bulk of the Khazaria’s unconverted population in those days was Turk, Mongol or Russian, to various degrees of mixture. Therefore the Jewish ruling class must have been ethnically closer to Turks, a sizeable section of Khazaria’s population. Then the Jews who captured Khazaria were not rank alien Hebrews, but local Turks who converted to Judaism.

    • Replies: @Liza
    , @Anon
    , @gT
  18. Kelcegil says:

    Gumilev’s 4 books translated into Turkish, he known in Turkey and many academicians study on him …

    • Thanks: Kali
  19. @anonymous

    While I agree with you in principle, I wonder about the not inconsiderable number of Americans who are not “decadent, low-IQ types,” who did not “welcome the jews as friends and saviors.” I wonder about those Americans who do “have a nuanced understanding of jews,” and have not “conflated jews with worship of God.” Do those informed and based Americans deserve to be killed off by the parasite? These same Americans do not see Russia as their true enemy, and abhor the activities of Israel and the International Jew in general. Are they idiotic, irresponsible and average americunts? There are indeed many destructive “isms” that have hollowed out American society, many spearheaded by jews; but is your abandonment of your less-informed fellows any better?

    Get to work, you cynical twit.

    • Agree: Bert
  20. ‘…These Jewish merchants settled in large number in the Khazar capital Itil, and by the eighth century they had formed a foreign elite and gained ever-increasing political influence. The situation came to a head in the early ninth century when a Jewish prince seized power and made Rabbinic Judaism the official religion of state. The coup was resisted by the local population, and led to a bloody civil war which the Jewish caste won by hiring mercenaries. Although the mass of ethnic Khazars were eventually constrained to submit to the authority of the Jewish elite, they never converted to Judaism, which remained exclusively the faith of the political authorities. With this, Gumilev concludes, Khazaria was transformed into a full-fledged ethnic chimera. “In their very own country,” the Khazars became “the conquered, disenfranchised, and powerless subjects of a government that was foreign to them in terms of its ethnicity, its religion, and it goals.”…’

    Rings a bell.

    • Agree: Durruti
  21. GMC says:

    Thanks for the Article Mr. Guyenot – We can also see the Zionists fuming at the Russians, for taking back the Таврида { Tavrida } . With Crimea, Donbas, Kherson and hopefully Odecca, the main part of the old Khazarian lands are back where they should be. At a great human loss of life, of course.

    And , as Gumilev wished to keep his research alive , writing about the Parasites was a great way to do it. Unfortunately, the Parasites have evolved along with the times. Zelensky, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Nuland, Netanyahoo, and hundreds of others are a bad example.

  22. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The nasty bunch of Egyptians that went and settled in Canaan

    As I wrote elsewhere, Jews are a grouping of part of the ORIGINAL inhabitants of “Cana’an” https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/adam-green-on-rabbis-abrahamic-conspiracy/#comment-5476239 – no “nasty Egyptians ” anyway

    • Replies: @sarz
  23. Bankotsu says:

    Some similar works:

    The Mongol Connection: Russia’s Asian Entry into European Politics
    by Iver B. Neumann

    https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/wps/nupi/0002017/f_0002017_1038.pdf

    The Mongols and Russia
    by George Vernadsky

    https://archive.org/details/mongolsrussia0000geor

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @GMC
  24. Jim H says:
    @anonymous

    ‘I doubt that Americans will ever have a nuanced understanding of jews because they have conflated jews with worship of God.’ — anon

    As a child in a rural part of the US where everyone had surnames such as Smith, Brown, Williams, Jones, Murphy, etc, I had heard of Israelites and Jews through the Christian Bible long before ever actually meeting any, after we moved to a larger city on the coast.

    Indeed I was surprised to learn they were still around, having thought that they were just another ancient historical tribe like the Ammanites or the Hittites.

    Why are Christians attached to religious scriptures which glorify a culture other than their own? Why do they regard a distant, troubled corner of the Mediterranean as ‘the holy land’? It seems to be the largest-scale, longest-lasting chimeric invasion in human history.

    Merci to Laurent Guyénot for his consistently thoughtful, well-researched articles.

    • Agree: JR Foley, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Sarah
  25. The accuracy of Lev Gumilev’s views I do not know. However, as an important Russian figure, his major works should have been translated into English and other Western languages. Likewise there should be critical works debating his works and their accuracy. There appears to be one translation of his minor works and one critical study by Bassin. That’s it.

    Nearly all the Russian Studies people you hear in the media are the Globalist-Atlanticist- European integrationist hacks. They will ignore important figures like Gumilev who run counter to their ideology. Nearly all the rest of Western academia has been cowed into silence. Only the rare independent scholar will deal with these matters. As Edward Dutton is wont to say, such is the state of the West’s woke, joke universities.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    , @Harry E
  26. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Because everyone here except you freaks here for money understand what this means. It’s a synonym for “a man of bravery, integrity and truth”. Anyone who speaks truth about reality is classified as an ‘antisemite’, how could you not be? The idea that such people have some sort of demonic black heart of hate, what you freaks think, is delusional. You even now are para-sitting off of another human’s life essence. While at the same time deliberately trying to harm others around him with your garbage snark. You vampires haven’t changed in 1000 years – you prove the point in your comment!

  27. UNZ seems like a garbage can. Here they pick every piece of garbage and proclaim it real deal. Solzhenitsyn who is universally despised in Russia is a hero here. Gumilev, who is fairy tales spreader with his anti scientific ideas not based in reality or confirmed by historical sources is another one. Real historians in Russia do not even mention this guy with his fantasies. Now, using screenshots even from such excellent films as Alexander Nevsky as some proof is laughable. It is same as many use as if Stalin words “no man, no problem, which was invented in his opus book by Rybakov as Stalin real words.

    • LOL: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @werpor
    , @hillaire
  28. anon[806] • Disclaimer says:

    If the Khazar theory had any validity, most ashkenazi kikes would look like the Kazakh president Nazarbayev, his photo shown in this article. The Khazar theory seems to be a smokescreen to once again scapegoat Mongoloids/Asiatics (since kikes have been shitting on Asian men in Hollywood media LONG before they began shitting on whites). Are we supposed to be believe these hook-nosed curly haired bug-eyed mutants are descended from Turkic-Mongolic tribes? Its obvious the kikes are Phoenician-descended East Mediterranean types.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Slav
    , @RadicalCenter
  29. Anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You’re assuming ancient Turks were all Mongoloid looking, but that’s not the case. The Khazars’ ruling class was described as blue eyed, red bearded, tall and “princely” looking. And we know from ancient DNA that the Turks, particularly the Kipchak branches, even in Mongolia, were an amalgamation of Indo-Iranians and Mongoloids, with most posessing haplogroups R1a, R1b, and J1. People like Nazarbayev are from later waves of East Asian migrants in to Kazakhstan, who came in the second century AD. The earlier Kipchak Turks before them were bybrid descendendants of Indo-Iranians and Siberians, and many of them were Caucasoid..

  30. How odd that everyone who has been acquainted with the Askenazim draws the exact same conclusions about their collective behaviour.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  31. I’m not going to shit on this essay about Eurasianist politics which have for the last thousand years seemed to be what the author is conveying. My issue is always going to westerners who fetishize this race mixing alliance of Rus-Slav and Steppe-Mongol with some type of bulwark against jewish parasitism and incorporation. Just look how many Jewish billionaires are around Putin and that should tell you everything you need to know.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymous12890
  32. I have been studying Gumilev for 2 or 3 years. I am not going to hold myself as any kind of an expert, nor refute nor correct anything written here. I have found most of his books are downloadable in Russian for free. I started translating them slowly, including about 7 that are available in abridged versions. I’ve read 2-3 full books, and another comprehensive work about him by another author. It takes some study, because many of his ideas are revolutionary. I have read some twice, and take notes too.

    I had been working on his two major works, and then I got side-tracked into “From RUS to RUSSIA”, because it is illustrated with about 300 plates of medieval art, which I lay into the translation. I also have Khazaria, which is a lower priority for me.

    I tell you all of this to demonstrate how fascinating he is (for me anyway). His first major thrust is the ancient history of all Eurasia. He has major works on all the peoples of the Steppes, including the Huns, Turks and Mongols. He speaks much about the ancient Chinese. Of course Eastern Europe and the Caspian basin, really covers all of Europe. Ancient means from about 2,000 BC.

    From watching the rise and fall of all these cultures (and civilizations) that he studied, he has developed his theory of Ethnogenesis. What allowed these peoples to expand their power and territory, and in the end what caused them to decline and disappear? His major conclusion he calls their “Passion”. Perhaps all people have ideas, but only a few have the energy and drive to act upon their ideas. He traces this passion in many civilizations to demonstrate the stages of rise and fall.

    Many of us talk about the “deep state”, but he points to the “deep people”, which political desire or economic forces cannot easily change. This level of passion has to go through its own cycle. We can see it now in Europe, Russia, and the Ukraine. I know what he means by Chimera, but I wouldn’t say that is a major point.

    Like I said, I did not get to Khazaria, but I don’t see him as a scientist about Judaism. There is so much more that he talks about, that the Jewish questions are just another detail in passing. But here in the west the Jews are a major topic, so that seems to be the focus we grasp for. (Let it go for a moment.)

    He was persecuted by the Soviets, so he doesn’t talk much of anything about them either. (Persecuted means about 15 years in prison at various times, and held out of the university on and off until about 50.)

    One of the most important distinctions he calls “system people” and anti-system. System people try to create (for themselves of course), the anti-system people only seek to destroy, (everything). Anti-system people are always present, but they are suppressed during the rise of civilizations, and they “come out of the woodwork”, during, and are actually the cause the fall of civilization. Just look around. There is so much destruction in the world.

    Many things are going to fall, many things are going to change. Somebody will have the passion to make it happen again. Maybe not who you think.

    I am glad to see this article.

  33. A curious and abrupt ending. Did no conclusion suggest itself?

  34. @Global Advances

    (I guess that I could send some translated pdf files for those interested.)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  35. C’est toujours un plaisir de te lire, Laurent.

  36. Slav says:
    @anon

    Does it matter where they originated? The ethno antisemitism is what helps to keep the cabal from assimilating and disappearance. No wonder the funders of Zionist movement also funded AH.

  37. Slav says:

    Really ridiculous to see so many primitive ethno antisemites on website run by a man of Jewish ancestry under an article about man of Jewish ancestry.

    Assimilated Jews can be patriots, Lev Gumilev as a true Marxist did not consider Jewishness an ethnicity.

    People should read Marx’s “Jewish Question” and stop associating Marxism with Trotsky’s Jewish chauvinism and cosmopolitanism.

    “Among real communists, the ones who knew Marxism at first hand, Lev Gumilev did not have enemies.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/ede1e5c6-e0c5-11e5-8d9b-e88a2a889797

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  38. Slav says:

    Also interesting the many veterans of work camps including Solzhenitsyn reconciled with Stalin later in their lives when they learned the true nature of liberalism, imperialism and revisionism.

  39. @We are all Dumb

    I have to agree with your general statement on race.

    Russian ethnic should mostly be:

    Russian Slavs
    or Slavs with Baltic in western Russia
    or Slavs with Nordic/Finnic from up north

    Too much with the Turks, Mongols and Caucasians mixing.

  40. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @emerging majority

    Perhaps, . . ., will become the template for a renaissance culture, stretching from the Black and Baltic seas in the far west clear to the Pacific shores of Vladivostok and the Bering Straits…the Eurasian Millennium may be segueing from its infancy into its toddlerhood.

    Interesting idea, and one that I really hadn’t thought of.

    In its favor is that Russia is exposed (more than it likes) to other societies, has been through a collapse in the 1990s, has a reasonably competent leader, and has considerable intellectual depth, all of which appears to be operating in Russia’s favor during the current Ukraine/Russian Federation war.

    Against is that Russia has poor demographics and the Slavs have never quite adopted the Protestant Ethic and Vocation (that one does one’s job well and one specializes in a vocation for God or for some other abstract concept (glory of the Emperor in Shinto, for example), not for the business owner).
    Not internalizing the need to do good work has retarded industrialization, although Slavs have shown themselves as adept intellectually as any other human ethnicity and more than most human ethnicities.

    To form the kernel of a new civilization, Russia would have to join the industrialization of Europe with the internal cohesion and intellectual leadership of the Slavs while ending demographic decline (which seems to be a byproduct of contemporary industrialization) and the over-extension of rationality to rationally indeterminate beliefs. This involves rejecting European social thought since the French Revolution and Rousseau [1]. No existing society / civilization [2] can do that, which is why it is interesting that Russia may develop the necessary synthesis.

    Alternately, of course, it is possible that nobody will develop a society that supports industrialization, and H. Sap. will last perhaps some geologically short interval and then vanish, as has every other species. It’s all one to the universe, and, after all, what has posterity ever done for us?

    Not one would mind
    neither bird, nor bee
    if all mankind
    perished, utterly.
    And Spring, herself,
    when she awoke at dawn
    would scarcely know
    that we all had gone.

    ************************************************************
    1] Rousseau and the French Philosophes grossly overextended Newtonian physics and astronomy into “rationality”, the idea that everything was determinate and so everything could be deduced from observation. Subsequent work by real scientists/mathematicians in chaos theory, quantum mechanics, critical self organizing systems, and complexity theory has shown that many important things are either not determinate or determinate in theory but not deducible from observation. The Philosophes were just anticipating the later Marxists, and trying to destabilize their monarchy by generating clouds of lies.

    2] No, not even China. The PRC is simply repeating the Chinese Imperial model, which ends blindly following ritual and ignoring real problems until the current dynasty is deposed or foreigners conquer China (again!).

  41. J says: • Website

    It is strange to blame the Jews for the Russian love of vodka. Jews were not allowed in Russia till Revolution.

    BTW, Russians were defeated and conquered by Batu’s Mongol hordes. They suffered 150 years under “the Mongol yoke”. That may hurt a proud Russian’s self-image, but Gumilev’s thesis that they were equals and allies is wishful phantasy.

  42. Kali says:
    @emerging majority

    It’s like clouds paiting to reveal a clear blue sky.

    I’m very pleased to share the experience with you, Author McBride and others, em.

    Much love,
    Kali.

  43. Alden says:

    Very interesting article about an area of the world about which I know little. Thanks.

  44. Kali says:
    @IreneAthena

    With the promise that this magnificant essay brings to a weary and frustrated people, dear Irene, for the first time since the beginning of the Ukraine debarcle, I can whole-heartedly write…

    GO PUTIN!

    UP THE RUS!

    🙂

    Sending much love and appreciation for the news of your spud hearvest,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  45. anon[342] • Disclaimer says:

    To sum:

    1 – Russians were the party responsible for enabling the golden horde to devastate and set back Asian civilization centers for the past 1000 years.

    2 – This is something to be celebrated if you are Russian because it is better than having been the vassals of the golden horde.

    3 – Russians forgot all that when they got to be imperial and began their long career of serving British Empire interests by attacking others, including “symbiotic” Turks.

    4 – The cycle repeats. Russia is not a potential vassal of China, rather in a “symbiotic” relationship with The Borg with Chinese Characteristics.

    5 – Xi’s visit to Central Asia and the comments he made there required the publication of this article on unz.com to allay any tankie concerns.”See, it happened before and it all turned out so well.”

  46. “The surviving Judeo-Khazar elite scattered across Eurasia and Europe.”

    A shame.

    Jews never forgot their well earned trouncing by Russia then, and more recently, by the Czars.

    Of course, in their minds it was Russias’ fault.

    Someone should sit down and teach the Jew that “chosen” is a perverted pharasaic fantasy conjured up and perpetuated over the ages as a methodical mantra to dampen the conscience for actions taken against all not-Jews.

    Pharasaic Judaism is institutionalized psychopathology. I believe that Jewish neurosis is largely borne out of the struggle to suppress conscience imposed by the Jewish institution.

    (Thanks Laurent)

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @JWalters
  47. sarz says:
    @René Fries

    René Fries and Ann Nonny Mouse might be interested in the work of a neglected Lebanese Christian scholar, Kamal Salibi, The Bible Came from Arabia. He contends, on the remarkable coincidence of the place names in the Jewish bible with the original names of Arabian villages in a since-suppressed Saudi survey, that the original homeland of the Hebrews was not Palestine but a 200 by 600 kilometre region of coastal West Arabia.

    It was from here that the Hebrews were rounded up for their Babylonian captivity. The Jerusalem where they ended up after their liberation was not the original one.

    The Israelis are aware of the work and they and the Saudis would rather that you did not hear about it.

    You can easily get the book as a free download from Z-Library (https://b-ok.cc/).

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @René Fries
  48. @J

    It is strange to blame the Jews for the Russian love of vodka

    This is not exactly what I meant. According to the old Russian Primary Chronicle, Vladimir the Great was baptized in 988 after considering the options of Islam and Judaism. He was attracted to Islam for its tolerance of polygamy, but then turned away by its prohibition of alcool. “In Rus’”, he said, “we have the joy of drinking, without it we could not be.”

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @JWalters
  49. @anonymous

    Very interesting perspective. May be you are right concerning most of the Americans.

  50. @emerging majority

    “ Perhaps, under the helmsmanship of V.V. Putin, in fair measure a product of the historically based ethnography of Gumilev and Solzhenitsyn, will become the template for a renaissance culture, stretching from the Black and Baltic seas in the far west clear to the Pacific shores of Vladivostok and the Bering Straits…”

    But we have to take into account the various mix of religions that such a geographical expanse encompasses. An important part of Russia’s ethnicity is defined by Orthodox Christianity, and while historically this Christian denomination has proven to be much better adept at coexisting with Muslims than Catholics, there has been some tragic clashes of civilizations between the two religions, with the Talmudist Jews acting as a catalyst. Erdogan’s recent transformation of Aya Sofia into a mosque for the sake of political gain does not bode well for the kind of cultural union that the article advocates.

    Your thoughts would be much appreciated.

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  51. Jim H says:
    @J

    ‘Jews were not allowed in Russia till Revolution.’ – J

    WHAT?

    ‘In 1897, according to Russian census of 1897, the total Jewish population of Russia was 5,189,401. About 450,000 Jewish soldiers served in the Russian Army during World War I.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia#:~:text=In%201897%2C%20according%20to%20Russian,of%20the%20Pale%20of%20Settlement.

    Research much?

    • Replies: @J
  52. @Global Advances

    Thanks. I did suspect that Bassin and Jewish Russophobes in general overblow both Gumilev’s preoccupation with the Jews, and his fame in Russia, for obvious reasons (“see, Russia is irremediably anti-Semitic”). So your well-informed correction is welcome. Bassin himself tells in his introduction that he tried to interview Gumilev while an exchange student in the USSR, but felt Gumilev’s hostility on learning he was American AND Jewish! Nevertheless, I assume Gumilev did write about the Jewish Radhanites as prime examples of an ethno-parasitic chimera and that in itself makes his fame in Russia quite remarkable.
    As I regretted not having found more material about Gumilev, I would gladly read your pdf, if you can send them to [email protected]

  53. ariadna says:

    I am curious to know why Gumilev enjoys such a great reputation and respect in today’s Russia while Solzhenitsyn is reviled by many and ignored by most. To Russian commentators who now provide their analyses on the conflict with Ukraine, or rather the “collective West,” mentioning Solzhenitsyn’s name is like waving a red cape to a bull: denigrations an insults pour in a torrent.
    It cannot be his deep religious faith because that does not seem to annoy certain Russians who are declared atheists when it comes to Dostoyevsky for whom they profess admiration. Could it be because Solzhenitsyn criticized the Soviet Union and exposed the horrors of the gulag system and now Russia seems to have embraced all its past as a continuum without bumps and even denies the existence of the gulags and claims they were vast “exaggerations”? Dostoyevsky is perhaps saved by not having living long enough…

  54. ariadna says:
    @Passing By

    and use similar biology-derived metaphors

  55. ariadna says:
    @ariadna

    CX: “by not having lived long enough”

  56. FifthDim says:

    The social bacterium already developed colonies all around the planet, I would even risk that it already rooted in China too.
    I am wondering in which social body this bacterium will reside once it killed the residing body, all of us. I hope, as many bacteria do, they will enter in a self-destructive cycle and gone for good. AMEN.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. Liza says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Because, the present day descendants of Khazaria’s Jews are ethnically closer to Turks than to either Mongols or Hebrews. Therefore their ancestors who captured Khazaria must have been ethnically closer to Turks.

    Just to confuse things, some of the new arrivals were from Persia. What portion, large or small, I don’t know. The Persians are a hard to classify bunch. Look at Ahmadinejad, for example.

    I found this question on quora:

    Would Persian people be considered white, Asian, or Eurasian?

    The answers were quite enlightening, I thought.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  58. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr Guyenot, I always enjoy your thought-provoking work (even when I do not agree) and this one is no different. I may brush up on my Russian, in which I used to be fairly fluent, to read Gumilev.

    In the meantime, might I ask you to elaborate on this sentence?

    If we consider that the spiritual degradation of the West ultimately goes back to the way Europeans dealt with the natives in the Americas

    Best regards.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  59. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    “the Khazars became “the conquered, disenfranchised, and powerless subjects of a government that was foreign to them in terms of its ethnicity, its religion, and it goals.”

    Just like the Ukraine of today … what a clever people!

  60. @J

    “ It is strange to blame the Jews for the Russian love of vodka. Jews were not allowed in Russia till Revolution.”

    After the partition of Poland between 1772 and 1795, the Polish Jews who became part of Imperial Russia, were settled in the Pale of Settlement, from where they started their revolutionary activities against the Tsarist reign and Tsar Alexander II tried to assimilate the rebel Jews by letting them move into Russian cities and enter Russian universities, which only added fuel to the fire of the Jewish revolutionary spirit leading to the Tsar’s assassination in 1881.

    The attempted assimilation of the Jews by imperial Russia was the poison pill that destroyed the Romanov dynasty.

    For a comprehensive history of the relationship between Jews and Imperial Russia, you could refer to Dr. E. Michael Jones’ “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit”.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Thanks: emerging majority
    • Replies: @J
  61. @anon

    Turks genetically are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern/Semitic (Arab) and European, in that order, followed by Central Asian genes typically in a distant third.

    This is readily observable just walking around Turkey, as we did for extended periods the past two years. Not many people look very Asian, let alone more asian than white and Arab. (And by the way, the really white people seem to be taller and sometimes more solidly built. But that’s just a tentative preliminary observation.)

    The present-day Turkish genome reflect mostly the diverse non-Asian peoples whom their ancestors conquered en masse through battle, or enslaved by raids. My Turkish teacher is straight-up white European-looking, perhaps with some Arab influence, and she knows that her family immigrated from Macedonia to Turkey 125-150 years ago (and used to be Christian).

    My acquaintance in Izmir is slightly whiter than I am, has blue eyes, is of above-average height for the USA or Turkey, and looks like some Balkan/Slavic mixture (which is what his grandparents told him). And of course, millions of “Turks” are a substantial part Greek — including Recip Tayyip Erdogan himself — especially in the Aegean Sea region, and to a lesser extent Armenian.

    The “Turkish” population becomes less white European, somewhat more Arab, and very heavily Kurdish as one goes to the east and southeast of Turkey. So like many of the Turks themselves, I don’t count Kurds as Turks.

    ………..

    Ashkenazi Jews are typically a substantial minority European. One much-discussed study by Jon Entine at Genetic Literacy Project reported the tested Ashkenazi population at 40% Italian (through the maternal line).

    In that Genetic Literacy Project study, the rest of the Ashekenazim genes were overwhelmingly “Middle Eastern”/Semitic (I.e. like Arabs and Sepphardic Jews) through the paternal line. That part fits with your comment that they’re primarily Eastern Mediterranean people, though you overstate the case.

    I haven’t yet seen genetic studies or other sound evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are any meaningful part North African or any kind of African.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @emerging majority
  62. @Verymuchalive

    Churchill spoke about the Iron Curtain right after WWII. Little did he know that the Iron Curtain had already blinded much of Western Europe decades before the start of the war. Or maybe he knew but chose to keep mum for fear of being relegated to the political wilderness.

    European universities have become tools for group think under the Talmudist-cum-globalist dominance. The censorship is getting worse by the day and the light of truth, free and critical thinking is quivering like a candle in the wind.

    The light from the East looks like the last hope for an intellectually liberated Europe, if Russia prevails.

  63. @Global Advances

    Definitely your 1 creme of the creme example I would be interested in having a look at!

  64. “–According to him, the Khazars developed harmonious interactions with all of their neighboring ethnies, to the exception of the Talmudic Jews. They had no problem with the Karaite Jews, who ignored the Talmud and recognized only the Torah, being therefore closer in spirit to Christianity and Islam. Everything changed in the seventh century when Jewish immigrants fleeing persecution in Persia and Byzantium poured into the Eurasian steppe. The most aggressive of these newcomers were the Radhanite Jews—medieval merchants active in the trade routes that connected the Christian and Islamic worlds with the Far East at the end of the first millennium AD.
    Unlike the Karaites, the Radhanites were followers of the Rabbinic tradition. They were a “brutal ethnos” without moral scruples. Their monopolization of the caravan trade brought them fabulous wealth, which came in great part from the slave trade—mostly young girls and boys taken from the indigenous populations of eastern Europe. The fact that “Slav” came to mean “slave” testifies to the extent of this trade.–“

    ARE THE ROOTS OF JEWISH BANKERS’ NWO-MAFIA (‘GREAT RESET’) IN THEESE RADHANITES?
    The Khazars already saw the difference between Karaite (Toora) and Radhanite (Talmud) Jews. Why are the Jewish people today not able to see this difference and broadly condemn the Zionist mafia’s attempt to conquer the world and turn against it with the BRICS-countries and live in harmony with other people?

    • Agree: Kali
  65. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    One of the propaganda lies of jews is: “It’s not us, it’s the Turks.” Of course the parasites infiltrated the Turkish population just like they infiltrate every population. Another such lie is: “It’s not us, it’s the Khazars.”

    Right now in the U.S., the same lie takes this form, “It’s not us, it’s the Whites.” (Fellow White People)

    A different lie they promote is “You’re the real jews (not us).” Thus Christian Identity and Black Hebrewism.

    You see these Section 8200 tactics in every comments section, but jews have been using them and others for centuries. An old dodge is that jew is a religious category – that reciting some Christian dogma out of the Old Testament “converts” one into a non-jew. Many a usurer and sex trafficker in old Spain saved his skin by becoming a converso.

  66. gT says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    The original Jews moving on Khazaria were from the Persian part of the world, so they had picked up plenty of dna there. Then they probably did their slow, cancerous invasion of the Khazars by marrying in with the elite over centuries. Like with currently how the English elite and Jews are inseparable. And when the Jews finally took charge in Khazaria, the local population also converted to Judaism. That explains why the Khazarian Jews are so ethnically close to the Turks. Many articles over the years have stated that the ordinary Khazarians converted to Judaism after their elite chose Judaism, but until now I’ve never read anywhere that the Khazarian elite were Jewish already.

    The idea and the manner in which the Jews took over Khazaria does fit in with their modus operandi, so it can’t all be fairy tales Serge, some truth in there somewhere. And the Mongols conquered Russia, not the Tatars. The Tartars were subservient to the Mongols. Maybe the Mongols grew to accept the Russians just like they accepted the Tatars, and the Russians and Tatars did fight together at times.

  67. Zumbuddi says:
    @sarz

    “the original homeland of the Hebrews was not Palestine but a 200 by 600 kilometre region of coastal West Arabia.”

    Oddly enough, novelist Steve Berry’s The Alexandria Link is based on the same premise: that place-names in Hebrew scripture are located in southern Arabia, not in the Levant.
    Note the strident distress in ‘Josh’s’ linked review:

    “what I detested about this novel. . . . Steve Berry posits that the Library of Alexandria will reveal that the present day location of Israel is wrong. That it in fact lies in an entirely different region all together. Wholly implausible, but Berry uses it to thrust his novel along. His pulls in the Saudis, Israelis, and Americans into this story. He says the Bible was mis-translated either intentionally or by a lack of understanding of languages. All fine for a fictional story. What really upset me is that the book is filled with page after page of anti-Semitism and anti-Israeli feelings. . . . After awhile, reading the story became quite distasteful. I guess Berry could hide behind his characters and say that he was only writing what his characters would feel, but the amount of it and the level of animosity shown is clearly coming from somewhere else. It was unnecessary and it doesn’t really add anything to the book.

    “Wholly implausible” and “the Bible was mis-translated . . .”: Sorry, Josh; Berry’s “implausible” notions are evidence-based.
    Berry referred to correspondence between Augustine and St. Jerome, who translated Hebrew scripture from Hebrew and from Greek, and found discrepancies. He sought guidance from Augustine, who urged Jerome to accept the commonly agreed-upon interpretations rather than the linguistically based translations, https://www.bible-researcher.com/vulgate2.html

    If your translation begins to be more generally read in many churches, it will be a grievous thing that, in the reading of Scripture, differences must arise between the Latin Churches and the Greek Churches, especially seeing that the discrepancy is easily condemned in a Latin version by the production of the original in Greek, which is a language very widely known; whereas, if any one has been disturbed by the occurrence of something to which he was not accustomed in the translation taken from the Hebrew, and alleges that the new translation is wrong, it will be found difficult, if not impossible, to get at the Hebrew documents by which the version to which exception is taken may be defended. And when they are obtained, who will submit, to have so many Latin and Greek authorities pronounced to be in the wrong? Besides all this, Jews, if consulted as to the meaning of the Hebrew text, may give a different opinion from yours: in which case it will seem as if your presence were indispensable, as being the only one who could refute their view; and it would be a miracle if one could be found capable of acting as arbiter between you and them.

    The correspondence is real, and Augustine, ever the (cuck) politician, aptly foretold the conflict that would arise should faithfulness-to-the-evidence be made known, rather than affirmation of the common (mis)understanding.

    _______
    An initial insight into characteristics of Jewry came from a lecture on ancient Assyrians — how an Assyrian leader provoked fights between two enemies of the Assyrians, “let other people fight your enemies for you.”

    Some Jewish historians begin with Assyrian defeats of Jews; that is, very early on Jews/Hebrews were associated with, likely intermingled with, Assyrians.
    One would think Jews would boast of this association, for though frequently castigated as “warlike,” Assyrians developed an early and highly advanced civilization, equally in waging of war.

  68. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @FifthDim

    Marx, a jew, was Mao’s guiding star. Epstein, Rittenberg, Shapiro, and other jews were among Mao’s closest advisors.

    Mao’s “Cultural Revolution” destroyed how many million Chinese lives? More than 6 million.

    The infection in China is far along. See: https://www.vnnforum.com/blog.php?b=1424

    • Replies: @Slav
  69. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Turks genetically are overwhelmingly Middle Eastern/Semitic (Arab) and European, in that order, followed by Central Asian genes typically in a distant third.

    This is readily observable just walking around Turkey, as we did for extended periods the past two years. Not many people look very Asian, let alone more asian than white and Arab. (And by the way, the really white people seem to be taller and sometimes more solidly built. But that’s just a tentative preliminary observation.)

    The present-day Turkish genome reflect mostly the diverse non-Asian peoples whom their ancestors conquered en masse through battle, or enslaved by raids.

    Like the other commenter, you are under the delusion that those ancestors were “Asian looking”. Some were but most were West Eurasian looking, as the central Asian Turks were mixed long before they migrated to Anatolia, being a mix of the Iranians who lived in the Altai-Sayan region and the Eastern Asian Turks.

    That is why Turks don’t look Asian: the central Asian Turks weren’t all Asian to begin with. The central Asian ones look Asian today because they kept mixing with Asians. In medieval Chinese sources many Turkic groups like the Kipchaks are said to have been fair-haired, foreign looking, and blue-eyed, a legacy of the early intermixing between Iranian and East Asian people in the Altai-Sayan region.

    This is also why, in the 900s AD, quite a while before Turks had gotten in to Anatolia, the White Khazars were described as “strikingly handsome with reddish hair, white skin, and blue eyes” while others (the Black Khazars) were described as being Asian looking.

    The Turks also didn’t “enslave” Anatolians. Sex bias for Asian ancestry in Turks shows that it was mostly imparted by both genders.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14747049211066599

    Genetic studies of present-day Turkey point to similar rates of male and female Turkic admixture, a finding inconsistent with the notion of male-biased immigration and reproductive success (Di Benedetto et al., 2001;Hodoglugil & Mahley, 2012).

    Ashkenazi Jews are typically a substantial minority European. One much-discussed study by Jon Entine at Genetic Literacy Project reported the tested Ashkenazi population at 40% Italian (through the maternal line).

    In that Genetic Literacy Project study, the rest of the Ashekenazim genes were overwhelmingly “Middle Eastern”/Semitic (I.e. like Arabs and Sepphardic Jews) through the paternal line. That part fits with your comment that they’re primarily Eastern Mediterranean people, though you overstate the case.

    You’re certifiably 100% wrong about this but I don’t have enough time to educate a buffoon like you, who probably couldn’t learn anyway. Ashkenazi Jews on their paternal line are extremely diverse, but frequently of Iranian/Turkic and ultimatelty European origin. Many Jews carry varieties of haplogroups Q-M378 and R1a-Z93, as well as J2, which represent descent from Turkic and Iranian groups. Benjamin Netanyahu for example is R1a-Z93, which makes him a descendant of Indo-Iranians or Turkics, not Semites.

    I never said Turks were eastern Mediterranean or any of that other shit you out in my mouth.

    You need to stop expressing your faulty opinions. The genetic research is miles and miles ahead of you and whatever singular paper you read. Get your head out of your enormous ass and stop acting like you’re some kind of expert.

  70. antibeast says:
    @ariadna

    I am curious to know why Gumilev enjoys such a great reputation and respect in today’s Russia while Solzhenitsyn is reviled by many and ignored by most. To Russian commentators who now provide their analyses on the conflict with Ukraine, or rather the “collective West,” mentioning Solzhenitsyn’s name is like waving a red cape to a bull: denigrations an insults pour in a torrent.

    Because Solzhenitsyn betrayed his country by criticizing the Soviet Union which is tantamount to selling his soul to the West.

    Could it be because Solzhenitsyn criticized the Soviet Union and exposed the horrors of the gulag system and now Russia seems to have embraced all its past as a continuum without bumps and even denies the existence of the gulags and claims they were vast “exaggerations”?

    His treacherous naïveté in serving the geopolitical interests of the West ultimately destroyed his intellectual repute. Not saying Solzhenitsyn didn’t have the moral responsibility to ‘criticize the Soviet Union by exposing the horrors of the gulag system’ but he should have realized that the West was exploiting his work as an ideological weapon against the Soviet Union. That was bad judgement and treacherous naïveté for a Russian emigre of his intellectual stature. The best thing he could have done was to keep his mouth shut while enjoying a life of caviar in the West. But Solzhenitsyn wanted to have his cake and eat it too which must have been hard to swallow so he had to spit it out after discovering what he had just done.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  71. building7 says: • Website

    Brilliant essay …where else do you publish your work?

    • Agree: Odd Rabbit
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  72. annamaria says:

    “a “brutal ethnos” without moral scruples.”

    — Talmudists cannot be reformed because they lack the prerequisites for being moral.

    Look at the US state department, infested with Jewish idiots who are drunk on the blood of people of Iraq & Syria & Libya & Ukraine. Behind this genocidal scum, there are genocidal Jewish banksters and mega-war profiteers — the real Owners of the dying collective west. Talmud must be treated as supremacist stuff degrading all humans. Talmudic rabbis must be expelled from Russia and western countries to Israel, forever. They should be fitted with satellite-based GPS tracking technology to protect humanity from the “brutal ethnos” without moral scruples.”

    • Replies: @A B Coreopsis
    , @Passing By
  73. @Joe Levantine

    Under Erdogan, the Turks have been establishing themselves as near perpetual wildcards. The Turkish leader will face another election in the not too distant future, so all his moves and maneuvers have to be made with that domestic reality under prime consideration.

    Internationally, through a broad sweep of Central Asia, most particularly Turkestan, his Pan-Turanic appeals make him a player. His relationship with both the Zionist $tate and the U$$A have become a bit tenuous, though not exactly shaky. Neither of those nations are highly tempted to upset him.

    In part, because of the looming election, Putin’s gambit of transforming Turkyie into an oil and gas transfer hub, while inflation and economic uncertainty will heavily influence his constituents; that combination of ingredients has the capability of becoming the game-changer. Also the Chinese Bridge and Road combination must be very tempting.

    Needless to say, Erdogan will hold those cards very close to his chest. The current Russian MOD announcement to evacuate Kherson and the right bank of the Dnieper will cool things off a bit, right up to the point when Putin and Shoigu get all their chessmen properly arrayed and then launch their General Winter offensive. A rapid collapse of the Ukrainian military followed by the Kiev administration fleeing to the West, should be the teller. I would expect Erdogan to opt eastwards come February.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine, JWalters
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. Gumilev’s name is held in great esteem in Russia and among peoples aspiring to play their part in the emerging Eurasia, notably the Kazhaks, whose country overlaps the ancient land of the indigenous Khazars

    Most people in the West think of Kazakstan as Borat’s home country. Borat is of course comically and extremely anti-Semitic. Played by Sasha Baron-Cohen.

    I’ve noticed a common rhetorical technique of Jews: exaggerate a characteristic to absurd levels when describing the enemy. Then the enemy is forced to deny, and in the future feels the need to be more circumspect.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  75. @RadicalCenter

    Good intro to the massively diverse ethnic origins of the contemporary Turks. One influence which you may have overlooked on the European side of the equation would be the Galatians, as per that book in the N.T. The Galatians are related to the Gauls of France and the Celts of Spain and thence into Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany.

    As to proportional numbers with significant DNA from that source, I will happily leave to a more diligent researcher than myself.

  76. rabbit says:

    Half baked as is Gumilov himself. “Radhanite Jews” is a meaningless term even though it is now being repeated over and over again by people talking to themselves. It first appeared in a geographical treatise by a 9th century `Abbasid bureaucrat, Ibn Khurdadhbih, head of the ex-Persian “Postal System.” that is, chief of secret intelligence. Ibn Khurdadhbih was a Persian whose grandfather had “converted to Islam.” Which means he had been a Manichean disguised as a Zoroastrian, and became instead a Manichean disguised as a Muslim, as were most of the `Abbasid cadres. The only possible sense of “Radhanites” is as misspelling for “Rabbinics,” that is, Talmudic Pharisees, as opposed to Karaites or non-Talmudic neo-Sadducees. This is supported by the fact that a fake “tomb of Ezra” appeared as a money making tourist attraction on the Jewish merchant route of travel in Iraq. Such a tomb could only cater to the fancies of Pharisees and not Karaites.

    “Itil” (near Astrakhan) on the Volga was the third capital of the Khazars. Ibn Khurdadhbih called it Khamlij. The first capital, Samandar, was near Derbent, on the Caspian, and vulnerable to Arab attacks, and the second was in what is now Chechnya. The first capital was moved in the face of Arab attacks, and another defensive measure, in addition to moving the capital, was the adoption of Karaite Judaism around 732 in order to claim “People of the Book” status. Which also took the Byzantines off their case, since they had been some kind of atrocious phallus worshipping heathens, odious to Christians as to Muslims. This conversion of a whole ethnic group to Karaism alarmed the Sephardic Pharisee Headquarters in Toledo, arch rivals of the Karaite neo-Sadducees, who, at that time, were still 40% of all Jews.

    Toledo took measures to set the Khazars on the right track. (Arab Spain was under Jewish control why is why when the Spanish took it back the first step was to expel the Jews, who had been the thorn in the back of Spanish rulers since Roman times.) These measures are described in the Toledan book the Kuzari, written in Arabic but in Hebrew letters, and whose hero is its imaginary author Yehudah ben Halevi, a forerunner of Superman, the Jewish comic book hero. The crucial argument was that as Karaites the Khazars were Jews but not descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and “therefore had no access” to “Jewish Luck.” But if they became Pharisees they would be adopted into the Mishpukha and become virtual descendants of Jacob and therefore have this somewhat dark and sinister luck. That worked as the “King Obadiya Reforms” among the Khazars that imposed Rabbinic Judaism in the place of Karaism in the latter 9th century.

    The Khazars had a ruling military caste known as the “Black,” and a ruling Sacerdotal Caste known as the “White.” This gives us “Schvarz” and “Weiss.” (Lenin was a “Weiss,” or, as his Grandfather Moishe registered it, hoity-toity, “Blank,” that is, “Blanc” in French.) The Blaus, Gruns, Roths, Gelbers are other clans, denoted, in Turkic fashion, by colors. The Sephardis don’t have these because they were Semitic Phoenicians, not Turkics.

    “Ashkenaz” comes from Akkadian meaning “Scythians” or people beyond the Caucasus. “Sephardim,” from the Phoenician name Sepharad for Spain, comes from a Phoenician mother city in the Levant. The Sephardim, who only claimed to be Jews as a defensive measure after the fall of Carthage, are, for all intents and purposes the Ten Lost Tribes come home, having been, once upon a time, the “Northern Kingdom of Israel.” But the Sephardi claim to be of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, which is all that Pharisees recognize, is as real as that of the Khazars. But that’s all right.

    There are still some Karaite Jews in Crimea and Lithuania (and a few elsewhere). The Crimean Karaites say that they are not Jews, by which they mean something like “genetic or Halakhic Jews” by Pharisee rules, but that they are really Khazars who converted. (Unaware that the Ashkenazim are also Khazars that converted, but Khazars who think they are actually descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph.) And as Karaites they do not recognize, not only the Talmud, but they do not recognize the Second Temple either. (Although they have bought into Ezra’s Torah as being authentic, with reservations.) When the Nazis occupied Crimea they recognized the Karaites as completely different from the Pharisees back home, who were Khazars that moved West. (The Ashkenazim learned Yiddish not in the Rhineland, but in the Baltics, from the Teutonic and Livonian overlords whom they sought to emulate for reasons of social prestige.)

  77. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    the crimean karaites were spared the final solution, weren’t they?

    the khazar theory is…who cares? it was popularized by a jew, koestler. it is defended by a jew, elhaik.

    or so says wikipedia.

    people who talk about khazar jews should be gassed, like all french people.

  78. @ariadna

    Interesting. I didn’t know Solzhenitsyn was so reviled. Perhaps that is because he was depicted as a capitalist traitor during the Cold War, and it stuck to him. Gumilev went to the gulag, but remained in the USSR and even behaved as a good Marxist. Putin met Solzhenitsyn several times and decorated him, though, so I suppose he is esteemed by at least a large part of today’s ruling elite.

  79. @Anonymous

    In one word: karma.
    I’m not sure if such a thing exist, but at least, it seems plausible that peoples, like individuals, can bear and repress guilt, such as the guilt of having murdered someone to steal his property, and that will affect their spirit. And if so, then the collective guilt for the genocide of native Americans is on Europeans at large.
    It reminds me of Chief Seattle’s words in 1890 (probably not strictly authentic, but never mind), which I quoted in this article: https://www.unz.com/article/bring-out-your-dead/

    A few more moons, a few more winters, and not one of the descendants of the mighty hosts that once moved over this broad land or lived in happy homes, protected by the Great Spirit, will remain to mourn over the graves of a people once more powerful and hopeful than yours. . . . And when the last Red Man shall have perished, and the memory of my tribe shall have become a myth among the White Men, these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe . . . The White Man will never be alone. Let him be just and deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not powerless. Dead, did I say? There is no death, only a change of worlds.

    I would make the same hypothesis of karma (or repressed guilt) regarding the Latin West, guilty of having murdered Constantinople and pillaged its culture. (my article https://www.unz.com/article/a-byzantine-view-of-russia-and-europe/)
    Just an hypothesis!

    • Replies: @Alden
  80. @RockaBoatus

    but this sort of thing is prohibited among Jewish girls.

    If only rabbis knew what their daughters were up to on the weekends…

  81. @antibeast

    Whatever repute that Solzhenitsyn may have amongst some proportion of the Russian people, he has long been celebrated as a heroic elder by none other than V.V.Putin. Currently, I’m reading in an old Life magazine, a feature titled “Khrushchev Remembers”. The Gulags and the camps during the Stalin era were somewhat less murderous than the Cheka and other enforcement arms of the Talmudist grounded Bolsheviks.

    Khrushchev, along with JFK, saved the world from nuclear annihilation in October of ’62. He also had the stones to drag out the dirty linen in a speech to the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR.

    Although Putin, the Duma and other elements of the RU government, have quietly played down the sins of their Soviet predecessors; they are very well aware of their nation’s history and the role of Solzhenitsyn in bringing out the facts and details for a public audience.

    Many Russians are uncomfortable with nearly 80 years of their own history. On a personal basis, I have become even more uncomfortable with American history as I delve deeper and deeper into the rot which was present even during George Washington’s administration, beginning with it’s putting down of two rebellions, Shay’s screwed over Revolutionary veterans and the Whiskey Rebellion of the far frontier Scots-Irish folk which was put down by no fewer than 14,000 Federal troops, a larger force than Washington himself led during the bulk of the Revolutionary War.

    Once the Rottenchild’s Panic of 1837 when they called in numerous loans and nearly destroyed the American economy in the process and then sent in their minion August Belmont (nee Schoenberg) to run American financial affairs; the stage was set for the Talmudist conquest of the U.$., an already greedy and ambitious bunch, and transforming our ruptured republic into their puppet regime, best known contemporarily as the U$$A.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Skeptikal
  82. ariadna says:
    @antibeast

    “Not saying Solzhenitsyn didn’t have the moral responsibility to ‘criticize the Soviet Union by exposing the horrors of the gulag system’ but he should have realized that the West was exploiting his work as an ideological weapon against the Soviet Union.”

    So speaking the truth is … situational? Whisper it so the enemy doesn’t find a way to use it against you?
    Yours is exactly the same rationale Jews employ when they try to silence other Jews who criticize Israel for its crimes against the Palestinians: “Pas devant les Goyim!” Your criticism may be used by anti-semites”…”

    “The best thing he could have done was to keep his mouth shut while enjoying a life of caviar in the West. But Solzhenitsyn wanted to have his cake and eat it too which must have been hard to swallow so he had to spit it out after discovering what he had just done.”

    Glaringly wrong and untrue. He did not want to leave Russia. He was expulsed. He did not want to have which “cake” and eat it? He lived in Vermont a life of seclusion and writing and returned to Russia when the USSR crumbled. Caviar, incidentally, has always been more readily available and more cheaply to a Russian than to a Westerner, in case you don’t know it: the Caspian sea sturgeons. He did not “spit” anything becasue he had not “done” anything that was not moral and honest. He also criticized the decaying West strongly while he was still in the US.
    Your animus seems a tad personal.

    • Agree: Passing By
    • Thanks: Rurik, annamaria
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  83. Rurik says:

    Interesting article, well done.

    This part however, tweaked me a bit, I must confess.

    Ultimately, the interaction between Russo-Slavs and Tatar-Mongols must be viewed “not as the subjugation of Rus′ by the Golden Horde,” as traditionally depicted by the Westernized historiography elaborated under the Romanovs, but rather as an “ethnic symbiosis,” a union between two ethnies for their mutual benefit.

    But it was the subjugation of the Russian people by the Mongols who conquered Russia, (with all that such a thing meant, (just as with the Moorish conquest of Spain), was it not. With lots and lots of unidirectional ‘ethnic synthesis’, no?

    It seems as tho it’s being suggested by Gumilev that the effects of the Mongol and Tartar conquest and slave raids, respectively, upon the Russian people was a boon, of some kind, because it helped Russia to stave off too close an assimilation with the West? (And ultimately the fate happening to the dying West today?). Or something like that? But I’d hardly think the Russians at the time would agree that it was anything other than horrific.

    IOW, in every case, from the Mongol subjugation of Russia, to the European subjugation of the Americas, to to the Khazar subjugation of its myriad victims, (then and now), being the subjugated is always a nasty affair.

    While I agree that being the subjugator, often (as we see so clearly today), debases the subjugated and the subjugator, I would say the lesson is in every case to be neither.

    • Agree: Alden
  84. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    But it was the subjugation of the Russian people by the Mongols who conquered Russia, (with all that such a thing meant, (just as with the Moorish conquest of Spain), was it not. With lots and lots of unidirectional ‘ethnic synthesis’, no?

    It seems as tho it’s being suggested by Gumilev that the effects of the Mongol and Tartar conquest and slave raids, respectively, upon the Russian people was a boon, of some kind,

    No it wasn’t and there weren’t slave raids by the Mongol empire in Russia. It is also not a uniquely Russian narrative in Russia that the Mongol empire was largely bebeficial to Russia, as this is the narrative in Western history as well.

    Aside from the brutality of the initial invasion of southern Russia, the relationship between the Mongols and the Rus dynasties (who were by no means a unified whole) was egalitarian and beneficial.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  85. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The spread of the Mongol empire was not a Mongol subjugation but a result of Rus nobility allying with Mongols and using Mongol corces to fight other Rus principalities. There was not “unidirectional ethnic synthesis” as the Mongols gave their soldiers and even married wives to the Rus who allied with them. They generally left Russians alone.

    Another important reminder, which is almost always forgotten by laypeople, is that the Mongols never had any intention of invading or conquering Russia. The Mongol envoy told the Russians before the battle of Khalka that they had no interest in them, and no intention of invading, something all modern scholars accept as factual. The only reason the Mongols attacked Russia is because the Rus killed the Mongol envoys despite being told they weren’t going to attack Russia. This is a recurring theme in Mongol imperial history; one niggardly kingdom brutally kills Mongol envoys who promised peace, which incites a brutal Mongol retaliation. The Rus brought the initial invasion upon themselves.

    Interestingly, the Orthodox church at the time approved of the Mongol rule in spite of the initial brutality of the destruction of Kiev, and saw it as a divine intervention for the widespread sinliness of the Kievan Rus society. Mongol support of the Church notwithstsnding.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Arthur MacBride
  86. Alden says:
    @emerging majority

    Thanks, I’m familiar with the whiskey rebellion Shay Rebellion and the results of the 1837 recession.

    Reason for the whiskey tax was to repay about one billion in British pounds we, America borrowed from France to pay for our revolution. The coastal plantation owners shippers merchants didn’t want to repay it out of property and other taxes. So Alexander Hamilton devised the whiskey tax. BTW, America never paid France that loan back.

    And the Rothschild bank of Frankfurt Hesse was involved. The French treasury borrowed some of the money France lent the USA from the Prince of Hesse. After the 30 years war, the Princes of Hesse decided no more war. From now on Hesse will lend money to warring nations. And manufacture armaments equipment uniforms horses mules military supplies to sell to warring nations. And breed and rent soldiers to warring nations.

    The Princes of Hesse were the foremost bankers of Europe. And Rothschild was one of their Frankfurt partners. At least America didn’t pay that loan back. Rothschilds were involved from the beginning. But the Prince of Hesse and his Frankfurt bankers including Mayer Rothschild were much more honorable than our founding fathers . The richest people in America. And refused to pay back the loan that paid for the Revolution. The frontiersmen didn’t even have the help of the US army to help fight the Indians and keep order. Just the help of their women and children.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  87. @Rurik

    A good example is Israel. Seventy years of ethnic cleansing, massacres, daily murders, ghastly repression and sadistic humiliation of the imprisoned Palestinians, often by young Israeli conscripts, has even further coarsened and brutalised Israeli society. That many Israeli Jews still hold out against this Evil tide and actually attempt to find a decent solution to the abomination is proof that not all Jews by any means are sadistic racists.
    Unfortunately, Zionazi political control in the West, achieved by straight bribery, relentless propaganda, espionage, blackmail and religious fundamentalist idiocy, has also depraved Western politics. Whereas support for the Palestinians was once common in the West, in Europe in particular, now that is virtually criminalised by the ‘antisemitism’ hysteria and witch-hunt, which has poisoned politics to the extent that the Zionazis can control the politics of entire States, often in league with the most morally corrupt elements, as happened with Corbyn in the UK. Where the Zionazi State, so exemplified by the racist monster thug, Nutty-yahoo, was once a cancer on the Middle East, it is now a cancer on the entire West.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Rurik
  88. @ariadna

    Whatever happened in the USSR, under unceasing Western attack, subversion and sabotage, and which has been endlessly fabricated and exaggerated by fascists like the Banderites now aiding the USA in driving to DESTROY Russia, having destroyed the USSR, was BY FAR the lesser Evil compared to the horrors of the West’s neo-imperial and neo-colonial barbarities inflicted on the rest of humanity, ‘the jungle’ as the EU Foreign Minister, Josep Borrell described the non-Western world (in comparison to ‘the garden’ of Europe)just recently.

  89. I entirely reject a genetic basis for Jewishness. Jews have bigger noses because air is free.

    • Replies: @Ron Chapman
  90. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    The Turks and the Mongols were not friends. They were enemies for centuries. 600, 700 AD the Turks were united tribes southwest of China. Then the Mongolians stsrted moving. And the Turks fled west before the Mongols. Just as the Goths Germans Alan’s and other tribes did 300 to 500AD

    The Turks and mongols fought an ongoing war for centuries. With the mongols usually winning. When the Mongolia conquered and destroyed Baghdad it was Turkish territory.

    Before they became Muslims the pagan Turkish religion worshiped iron. Because it made weapons. One of the pre Muslim religious stories is the Gray Wolf. A totem type figure that led the tribes west away from the Mongols.

    The founder of the Turkish people was Ertugul. He became chief and united the tribes that became the Turkish people. His life was spent fighting the Mongols. Always leading the Turks west away from the Mongols. . And negotiating with Arabs and Persians for settlement of the Turks in their lands. Where they would be safe from the Mongols.

    Turkish history does not claim any allied relationship with the Mongols. Except intermittent warfare for centuries. The Mongols chased the Turks from the borders of western China to the shores of the Atlantic

    Turkish DNA is 30 percent Slavic overall. Due to more than a thousand years roughly 900 AD till 1900AD of slave raiding of Slavic peoples. Plus Arabs Greeks Persians Armenians Africans Europeans including raiding Greenland and Iceland.

    When I read his article about the Popes changing the calendar I did some research and found it just wasn’t true. From what I know about Turkish history they were at war with Mongolia off and on for centuries. I’m sure there were some armistice treaties and decades of peace. But the Turkish people would not be living in present day Turkey if the Mongols had left them alone in their ancestral lands southwest of China.

    Considering that Guyenot is a very fervent Orthodox Christian and Slav chauvinist , I find it strange that he claims Russia was allied with the Mongols and Turks who enslaved so many Russian Slavs.

    To the point the Turks lost their central asian looks and now have 30 percent Slav DNA. From about 1,300 AD to the very end 1912?? the Turkish Sultans didn’t marry Turkish women. Just had children with Slavic Greek European Arab etc slave women. By about 1,500 AD the Turkish Sultans were about 90 percent Slav.

    1,300 AD One full Turk father one full Slav mother equals a half Turk Sultan whose sons are only one quarter Turk. Great grandsons are only one eighth Turk. Great grandsons only one sixteenths Turk. Great great grandsons only one thirty seconds Turk. The Turk and mongol custom was for all but one son to be killed when the chief died.

    But the numerous daughters of the slightly Turk Sultans married into the leadership and their children blended into the Turkish people.

    Hundreds of years of Turks slave raiding and conflict on the southern borderlands of Russia with Turks contradicts this article about Mongolian Russian Turkish alliance against the Germans.

    The Turks always considered Russians to be a people to be plundered. Until the Russians pushed back . At which time Russia and Turkey became enemies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rurik
  91. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    No it wasn’t and there weren’t slave raids by the Mongol empire in Russia.

    this is from the quote of mine you quoted:

    “…the Mongol and Tartar conquest and slave raids, respectively,…”

    Do you know what the word ‘respectively’ means?

    the Mongol empire was largely bebeficial to Russia, as this is the narrative in Western history as well.

    Yes, this is what I’ve always heard about the African Moorish conquest of white Christian Spain was from every (((narrative in Western history))) I’ve always been taught. A great benefit to the enslaved white Christians of Spain.

    I’ll share this anecdote, because it’s on topic. I was watching some documentary the other day, and it was about the Moorish architecture in Andalusia, and how the “Christians slaves” would have been required to make endless trips to the well at the bottom of the mosque (formerly church) to bring water to their Muslim masters. And I was struck at how they used an honest description for the Christian as a slave. Which when I was learning history, they would have never characterized the status as such. Our entire history having been written with a certain ‘understanding’ about historical events, like the Crusades or Inquisition and such. What you can pretty much generalize, is that in every case, bar none, the official narrative taught in the West today, is that the white man was in every historical case – evil, and all others were in every case – his victims. Perhaps when the Tartars were slave raiding in Russia to sell Russian slaves to the Ottomans, it was the Russian’s fault, for having too many children.

    the relationship between the Mongols and the Rus dynasties (who were by no means a unified whole) was egalitarian and beneficial.

    that’s what the narrative will be in the history books that tell of the early struggles in Palestine, until 1948 and beyond, when the relationship between Arab and Jew was ‘egalitarian and beneficial’.

    It all depends on who’s telling the history.

    I don’t doubt that there were some benefits, (however dismissive considering the horrors of being subjugated and enslaved), but those days are long over, and thank God for it.

    Today, is a different time. Today the mutual respect, admiration and cooperation between Russia and its neighbors to the East, are a testament to the greatness of all those peoples, whose histories are intertwined, and who understand far better than those of us in the West, the terribly folly of blind imperial ambitions and hubris. That, sadly is a lesson the Khazars will learn, perhaps only when it all is a scorched and dead rock.

    Let’s hope cooler heads prevail.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bankotsu
    , @Bankotsu
  92. Alden says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    The Venetians didn’t murder Constantinople. The Turks did in 1452. Emperor Constantine had no children. He did have 2 nephews and a daughter. Who were rescued by the Pope and sheltered in Rome. That daughter married the son of the Duke of Muscovy. Grand mother of Ivan the terrible. Who fought both Turks and Mongols.

    I suppose you approve of the fact that Hagia Sophia is now a Muslim Mosque.

  93. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    … brutally kills Mongol envoys who promised peace, which incites a brutal Mongol retaliation. The Rus brought the initial invasion upon themselves.

    Yes, that’s what I’ve read.

    And when the Mongols conquered the arrogant Russian princes, they had a feast on a platform that was placed upon those same Russian princes.

    It must have been a hearty, Cossack-like affair.

  94. @Alden

    Reason why Hollywood (and all that implies) as well as the theatrical industry made such a big hooha about Hamilton was that he was a bad apple. Washington was personally quite enamored with him and that was his ladder to the heights. He had a talent for drawing in those plantation owners, major merchants and land speculators…and of course, bankers such as the Biddles of Philadelphia.

    Sometime in the future I should re-read Gore Vidal’s “Burr”. I’m wondering whether there was something about these propensities of Hamiltons which led to the fatal duel. Vidal is frequently a subtle and insinuating novelist…very psychological. Would Hamilton become the Federalist nominee to run against Jefferson? Their visions were almost totally diametrically opposed. Jefferson championed the yeoman farmer as the foundation-stone for the nation. Hamilton was all about getting in good with the greedy and power-hungry “players”.

    The man was instrumental in establishing the First Bank of the United States. Instead of becoming a broadly-based institution, his vision was a concert of the well established types, including the then premiere English bankers, the Venetian originated Jewish family, the Montefiores. At the time, the Rottenchilds were still relative newcomers to the English banking consortium. Had Hamilton lived, he likely would have become that crime clan’s chief American minion.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
    • Thanks: Alden
  95. Rurik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Unfortunately, Zionazi political control in the West, achieved by straight bribery, relentless propaganda, espionage, blackmail and religious fundamentalist idiocy, has also depraved Western politics.

    and worse, Western society, culture and spiritual and moral health

    the America of my youth would have abhorred the idea of America torturing people as an abomination beyond comprehension. But with enough Zionist “morality”, now America openly operates a torture facility. Back during the ‘Indian’ wars, one of the motivations for subjugating (killing, if you prefer) the ‘Indians’ was because of how they tortured settlers, and the outrage it caused. Now ‘we’ are the savages. There surly is a karma to that. Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that “America is great because she is good.” Well, now that America slaughters and bombs and displaces innocent people by the millions, and operates a torture camp, I don’t know what America is, but it sure the hell isn’t good.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  96. Avianthro says:

    So the Jews became masters of banking-finance and consumer economics, i.e. today’s primary parasitical/waste-based economic sectors. Why? By instinct, epigenetic predisposition + environmental factors?

    Nietzsche’s thesis was that in the pre-“democracy” period when we still had royals with real power and a regal, noble class value system which looked down on jobs in banking and finance as dirty work, the Jews naturally gravitated to those types of activities because they were not as readily accepted into other fields, or maybe because the Jews didn’t feel any shame in doing activities that non-Jews around them eschewed…the Jews were not respecters of the culture around them, seeing themselves as God’s chosen. This resulted then in Jews becoming predominant, disproportionately-represented in banking-finance and business as they remain today.

    We can then carry Nietzsche’s thinking a bit further: When the royals were dethroned-de-powered and “democratic” values came to be dominant, the Jews were in the position to gain a disproportionate share of the new power center…Democracy was precisely a vehicle, either by opportunity or design, by which those with financial power became the master-elites, and the Jews were the ethnic group that most benefited from this transition of power from royal-hereditary-basis to simple material wealth…financialplex control of energy & resource flows…economic-political power. Those who hold the economic power and their MICs are today’s de facto “royalty”, “royal” mafias also holding the political power, the plutocrats, and democracy is the facade by which they fool the sheeple into thinking that they too have a fair share of power.

  97. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Perhaps he was referring to something Israel Shahak mentioned in his Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The weight of 3000 years. Shahak said that Rabbinical Judaism severed it links with its own peasant class to adopt the chimerical model.

    It reminds me of some species of ants. They discard their own workers and become colonizers of other ant colonies who do the work for them.

  98. I would like to raise a vodka toast to Russia and her newly found independence from western crime cartels aka governments.

    Thanks a bunch for this wonderful piece of history. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  99. tumi says:

    US is applying same method now to Central Asian Stans that it successfully had done earlier under Clinton to Russia’s western ,northern and southern -western neighbors .

    1- https://thediplomat.com/2022/11/us-focuses-attention-on-central-asia-with-new-economic-initiative/

    2– ACURA ViewPoint: James W. Carden: November 1992: The Hinge of History

    ACURA VIEWPOINTNovember 8, 2022

    Bill Clinton’s wholesale rejection of his predecessor’s Russia policy laid the groundwork for the current crisis between Russia and the West.—– https://usrussiaaccord.org/acura-viewpoint-james-w-carden-november-1992-the-hinge-of-history/

    ——-

    Golden Horde exempted the Church from the taxation .Church was not only richer but also more powerful throughout the emerging new country- Russia .

    Anglo Saxon Jewish complex not so much defended the truth and historical realities as they distorted both . The legacy continues.

    1- https://www.mintpressnews.com/bbc-connections-conservative-party-israel-unit-8200-social-media/282545/
    2- https://www.mintpressnews.com/revealed-former-israeli-spies-working-top-jobs-google-facebook-amazon/282413/
    3- https://www.mintpressnews.com/honest-reporting-israel-linked-group-getting-palestinian-journalists-fired/282593/
    4- https://thecradle.co/Article/Investigations/17985 (How British intelligence weaponizes the Sunni clergy class)
    5- https://thecradle.co/Article/Investigations/15142 ( uS support for ISIS)

    6 https://thecradle.co/Article/news/7541

  100. @Liza

    Would Persian people be considered white, Asian, or Eurasian?

    Persian people are from the same lot that went into India, worshipped Devas, hated Asuras, and called themselves “Arya”; only they went south-west instead of south-east, worshipped Asuras and hated Devas, and called themselves Aryans. The ancient Persian language, now called Avestan, is the closest relative of Vedic language. Persians are certainly more Aryan than Indians.

    • Agree: Odyssey
    • Thanks: Liza
  101. @annamaria

    A concrete proposal which, whether it is possible to enact or nay, is lucid and convincing.

  102. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    No, you are referring to something that has nothing to do with the conwuest of Russia, but merely a battle between one Russian prince who had attacked Mongols without provocation.

    The image you posted, “Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks”, has nothing to do with Mongols or Russian history.

    You are clearly an extremely ignorant but stubbornly resistant individual whose only purpose here is to run his or her mouth and speak lots of bullshit. I know that all efforts to educate you will fail, so from now on I’m just gonna cattle prod you.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  103. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    this is from the quote of mine you quoted:

    “…the Mongol and Tartar conquest and slave raids, respectively,…”

    Do you know what the word ‘respectively’ means?

    Do you know that fhe ethnonyms ‘Mongol’ and ‘Tatar’ are interchangeable in Russian history? Of course you don’t because you have no clue what you’re talking about and are trying to save face. There were no Mongol/Tatar slave raids in the Mongol empire in Russia, other than those which came from Norsemen and Turks.

    Yes, this is what I’ve always heard about the African Moorish conquest of white Christian Spain was from every (((narrative in Western history))) I’ve always been taught. A great benefit to the enslaved white Christians of Spain.

    Again the Mongols never enslaved Russians and comparing apples and oranges only proves your shitty attitude.

    I’ll share this anecdote, because it’s on topic.

    I don’t give a flying fuck about your stupid hallucinations. There were no slave raids in Russia during the Mongol imperial period. You’re imagining Kazakh Khanate raids which have nothing to do with the Mongol empire and happened way after.

    It all depends on who’s telling the history.

    This is contemporary history as told directly by the Rus themselves and the Orthodox church

    I don’t doubt that there were some benefits, (however dismissive considering the horrors of being subjugated and enslaved), but those days are long over, and thank God for it.

    And for the last time the Russians weren’t enslaved or subjugated by the Mongols. Russian principalities sought Mongol aliances and the Mongols helped them defeat their Russian enemies, and Russia became a vassal state that the Mongols left alone for a century, taking only measely animal skins as tributary payments in exchange for protection from Viking raiders, Turks, and other bellicose assholes. The Russians were to Mongols what Puerto Ricans are to Americans. They weren’t like what Indians were to the British, or Indians to the Spaniards.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  104. Well, hooray for old Hollywood. I never thought I’d see Robert Mitchum on a Kazakhstani postage stamp.

  105. Seraphim says:
    @Slav

    People should read ”The Jewish Question” of Dostoevsky, part of the ‘The Diary of a Writer” (March 1877, Chapter II). Actually, they should read the whole ‘Diary’ (with the rest of Dostoevsky’s writings). They may learn more about Russia (and about the Jews, BTW) from it than from Marx and his epigones.

  106. including the Tan dynasty in China

    Tang dynasty.

    The Tang emperors held the Turkic title Khan of Heaven,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khagan#Chinese_Khagans

    But they were themselves was partly Xianbei 鲜卑, a proto-Mongolic people known to have light hair and eyes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Anthropology

  107. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Turkish DNA is 30 percent Slavic overall. Due to more than a thousand years roughly 900 AD till 1900AD of slave raiding of Slavic peoples. Plus Arabs Greeks Persians Armenians Africans Europeans including raiding Greenland and Iceland.

    LOL! Post a source that says that. You can’t. You made it up out of thin air.

    To the point the Turks lost their central asian looks and now have 30 percent Slav DNA. From about 1,300 AD to the very end 1912?? the Turkish Sultans didn’t marry Turkish women. Just had children with Slavic Greek European Arab etc slave women. By about 1,500 AD the Turkish Sultans were about 90 percent Slav.

    What do you mean by “central Asian looks”? In 1200 AD that frequently meant tall, blue eyed or blonde individuals who may have been indistinguishable from Europeans. Turks already had genes for European looks before they invaded Anatolia.

    Sultan Orhan Gazi who was described as blond and blue eyed, born 1281 to two Turkish parents, not an ounce of Slavic blood in him.

    The Turks in central Asia at this time like Kipchaks were mostly European looking. So they wouldn’t lose anything by marrying European women. But did Ottoman Turks really marry European women? DNA evidence suggests no, they did not. The Central Asian *female* contribution in modern Turks is nearly double what the male Central Asian contribution was, which suggests preferential marriages in Anatolia to Central Asian women. Slavic maternal DNA is rarer in Turks, most of it is Anatolian or Central Asian.

    A 2006 study concluded that the true Central Asian contributions to Anatolia was 13% for males and 22% for females (with wide ranges of confidence intervals), and the language replacement in Turkey and might not have been in accordance with the elite dominance model.[10]

    Much of the details about who Ottoman Sultans married are sketchy. There are many instances where it is unknown if one woman was a Turk or a Slav. Seems you’re assuming all these women were Slavs, even when “Slav” could mean 50% Turkic from Khazarian admixture, or when they could have been just flat out Turkic.

  108. @Zumbuddi

    All that does is add to the lands claimed by certain Judeosupremacists as part and parcel of ‘Eretz Yisrael’. Who cares where the Jews ‘came from’? I’ll tell you where-southern and central east Africa, like the rest of us. And there were other humans living all over ‘Eretz Yisrael’ for tens of thousands of years before the Jews invented themselves. Who says that it must be the Judaic Johnny-come-latelys who have the supreme claim over all others?

    • Replies: @René Fries
  109. @anonymous

    This experiment as a republic will only survive when the 2nd amendment starts protecting and enforcing the 1st.

  110. Odyssey says:

    In order to understand some things, it is necessary to start from the beginning, i.e. from the arrival of the Aryans in SE Asia. That arrival lasted for several hundred years and along the way the Aryans mixed with the inhabitants of Central Asia. That is why many peoples in Central Asia have a European appearance and a lot of European genetics. The Aryans mixed with the locals in India, and you can see that the further you go to the south the population is less and less white. The whitest ones are at the beginning (Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan and then Pakistan, Punjab, etc.)

    A part of the Aryans went towards Tibet, China, Kyrgyzstan. Aryans lived in Xinjiang for more than 2000 years before the arrival of the Chinese and even more before the arrival of the Uyghurs. They coexisted with the Chinese for almost 1500 years, sometimes fighting wars and often being allies in the fight against the Mongols. Sometimes Aryans protected the Chinese from the Mongols and were paid for it. Due to the increase in the birth rate of the local population, some had to flee from there and some even reached their ancestral homeland in the Balkans. Many remained somewhere on the way (e.g. Anatolia). Others fled north towards Siberia, which was named after them. The third remained and were assimilated over time. There are a lot of clips on the internet about Chinese people who look like Europeans, and some have almond blue eyes and blonde hair. They are the descendants of those Aryans.

    The language brought by the Aryans was the ancient Serbian language from which Sanskrit (and Avestan) and much later the Slavic languages developed. Even today, Sanskrit and modern Serbian have thousands of identical or very similar words. The Serbian word ‘Stan’ found a place in the names of many C.Asian countries (Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tatarstan, Kurdistan, Uzbekistan, Rajasthan, etc.)

    The name Mogul is from the Persian form of the name Mogol for Mongol, which comes from Aryan – mangula, evil, misfortune, trouble, but also means a mistake or violation of principles, from where the medical term “mongolism” comes from.

    • Replies: @Druid55
  111. @annamaria

    Christian morals:

    the end doesn’t justify the means.

    Talmudic (and free-masonic) utilitarianism:

    the end does justify the means.

    The Talmudists aren’t the only ones who should be fitted with GPS anklets. Members of the “brotherhood” should have to wear them too.

  112. Bankotsu says:
    @Rurik

    And I was struck at how they used an honest description for the Christian as a slave. Which when I was learning history, they would have never characterized the status as such.

    White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam’s One Million White Slaves by Giles Milton

    [MORE]

    The Forgotten Slave Trade: The White European Slaves of Islam
    by Simon Webb

    • Thanks: Rurik
  113. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Kali

    Hi Kali — “I want to be in America, Everything’s free in America. For a small fee in AMER – I – CA! ”

    I’ve been so disgusted about the actions of American neoconservative hawks (e.g., Victoria Nuland, Senator John McCain) going where they’d no business being… into Ukraine c. 2014 and stirring up more animosity toward the Russians…

    INSERT MORE TAG HERE. PLEASE.

    I was so disgusted seeing Americans who couldn’t tell Ukraine from Cocaine, OVERNIGHT superimposing their social media headshots with the sunflower flag… and watching the sleezy Military industrial complex fatcats getting richer and richer with all the blood money…

    ….the lifeblood of young men on both sides draining out….

    …and there’s the small matter of the possibility of nuclear fallout near where I live…

    …and reports of some people in Europe freezing to death.

    America’s major export is FEAR, DEATH and SUFFERING.

    I hope the article calms me down, Kali. I need to go to my “Happy Place” — a thread on Unz where NO BOYS ARE ALLOWED IN THE COMMENTS.

    • Replies: @Kali
  114. Bankotsu says:
    @Rurik

    What you can pretty much generalize, is that in every case, bar none, the official narrative taught in the West today, is that the white man was in every historical case – evil, and all others were in every case – his victims.

    Slavery, in fact, was a central feature of life in the Mediterranean world, especially in Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, Greece, Imperial Rome and the Islamic societies of the Middle East and North Africa.

    “The most important source of slaves in medieval Europe,” Clarke’s research shows, “was the coast of Bosnia on the eastern shores of the Adriatic Sea. The word ‘slave’ and its cognates in most modern European languages is itself derived from ‘sclavus’ meaning ‘slav’, the ethnic name for the inhabitants of this region…

    “For various reasons, including the harshness of the terrain and endemic warfare among local clans, Bosnia proved the most convenient and long-lasting of these slave-supplying regions. Whichever clan gained a temporary upper hand was always willing to sell its captured rivals in exchange for the goods of the Mediterranean world in the markets of the ancient Romanised city of Ragusa (present day Dubrovnik). From there, Slavs were shipped as slaves by Venetian merchants, to supply new markets in the Islamic world.”

    Thus, “for the Islamic world,” Clarke continues, “Slavs provided the major source of slaves in the 250 or so years between the defeat at the battle of Poitiers in AD 732 that forced the consolidation of their dramatic conquests across North Africa and the Iberian peninsula, cutting back the flow of war captives, and the expansion of the im port of black Africans across the Sahara from around AD 1000.”

    The trade in slaves ended when the Ottoman Turk s conquered the region in 1463. “The effective closure of the last major source of slaves on the European continent,” says Clarke, “thus co-incidentally took place at the same time as the Portuguese explorations of the West African coast which were to open up the second and most devastating route for the exploitation of Africans as slaves.”

    Figures on the Arab slave trade in Africa are hard to come by, but the historian Paul Lovejoy estimates that some 9.85 million Africans were shipped out as slaves to Arabia and, in small numbers, to the Indian subcontinent. Lovejoy breaks his figures down as follows:

    Between AD 650 and 1600, an average of 5,000 Africans were shipped out by the Arabs. This makes a rough total of 7.25 million.

    Then, between 1600 and 1800, another 1.4 million Africans were shipped out by the Arabs. The 19th century represented the highest point of the Arabian trade where 12,000 Africans were shipped out every year. The total figure for the 19th century alone was 1.2 million slaves to Arabia.

    The numbers game

    Thus, in terms of numbers, Arabia’s 9.85 million is not far behind the conservative estimate of nearly 12 million African victims of the Atlantic slave trade. Some African historians, though, reject these figures on the grounds that they are too low. They suggest over 50 million Africans were shipped out during the Atlantic trade alone…

    https://newafricanmagazine.com/16616/

    • Thanks: Rurik
  115. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    One of the generalized misconceptions which came from a perfunctory reading of the ‘Primary Chronicle’, about Russians’ baptism is that Prince Vladimir was seeking to ‘adopt a religion’ and window-shopped around. An attentive reading would show that he was assaulted by missionaries of the Mahomedan Bulgars, ‘Zhidovi’ Khazars, Catholic Germans and Orthodox Greeks. Only after he sent his agents to study these ‘religions’ on the ground and was positively disgusted by what they reported back, with the exception of the reports of his envoys to Constantinople who convinced him of the superiority of Orthodoxy.
    Somehow it is overlooked that the grandmother of Vladimir, Olga was baptized at Constantinople in 957 and that there was already a Christian community in Kiev during the reign of her husband Igor (+945). The process of Christianization of the ‘Rus’ was initiated around 860, with the mission of Constantin/Cyrill to the Khazars, who rejected it.
    Gumilev payed little attention to Orthodoxy and ‘Byzantium’ and their paramount role in the history, politics, society and culture of Russia, hence his denial of the ‘Mongol yoke’, which he considered an invention of the Westernized historiography elaborated under the Romanovs (a good Marxist must be against Tsarism) but has little to do with the documented history of the Russians relations with the Turko-Mongols.

  116. Regarding the Mongols (Russians call them Tatars, so there is no distinction here), it still seems to be a very mysterious and debated affair. One source recommended by Bakotsu in comment #23 is helpful (I haven’t read the other, but will):
    https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/wps/nupi/0002017/f_0002017_1038.pdf
    It shows that there are today a variety of interpretations. Charles Halperin, mentionned in this article and readable here (haven’t read it yet) https://archive.org/details/russiagoldenhord0000halp
    seems to say that the unity of Russia was basically built by the Mongols: all the Russians had to do is take it over and claim it as their own. (Well, I’m probably exaggerating his thesis here, but the main point is that there was a great deal of cooperation and ethnic interaction between the two. It must be taken into account that falsification of national history is a much more general phenomenon than usually admitted by historians, and it is fairly plausible, even certain, to me that the Romanov westernizers falsified the history of Russia to downplay the Tatar root of their state.
    Another point made by earlier commenters, is that the Tatars were not necessarily the typical Asians that we imagine today. In other words, they were probably very different than today’s inhabitants of today’s Mongolia)
    But I’m just a student here, of this fascinating subject!

  117. @sarz

    Not unknown to me: “Judaism also featured strongly, in particular in the northwest. According to S. Trimingham, there existed a corridor of Jewish culture extending from Midyān via Wādī l-Qurā as far as Yathrib, with centers in Fadak, Taima’, Khaibar, and Yathrib (cf. fig. 1)”, in: Die Entstshung einer Weltreligion V, Verlag Schiler & Mücke, Berlin/Tübingen 2020, pp. 551-2 (English in the original).

    I have the “Inârah” (http://inarah.net/ ) series complete = 10 books = 6977 pages and I am sure that there are some other precise references, the above named being the one I still had in mind after recent reading.

  118. GMC says:
    @Bankotsu

    Many Thanks for these readings – the Mongol Connection – Russia’s Asian Entry…… is a must read – 24 pages, and it cleared the way for understanding, some of the problems of Today . In regards to the Western world – not understanding much of Russian History, we can certainly see where the Eastern political, societal, and military Chess Games comes into play, as the West has/had no desire, or cares to understand the History.

  119. J says: • Website
    @Jim H

    Jim H: You are confusing the Russian Empire, which included the Pale where Jews were allowed to live, and proper Russia, Holy Russia, where Jews were forbidden to stay even a day. The Pale was, mostly, what today is Ukraine. BTW, the author clarified the concept in these comments section. Look it up. Russians always thirsted for alcohol, and in this, there are not different from other Nordic peoples.

  120. @emerging majority

    @emerging majority

    respectfully, what happens if there is not “A rapid collapse of the Ukrainian military followed by the Kiev administration fleeing to the West” come end of feb 23?

    the khazarians are going to just collapse and give up on Eretz Israel North? the children of us “leadership” lost a lot of money once putin took lnr/dpr including the 2nd largest proven gas reserves in europe(1Trillion Cu. ft), theyre not going to let ukraine just collapse, the billions they stole from russia in dollar reserves and boats and planes and houses, pales in comparison to what russia got in oil gas coal and land, by at least a factor of 10.

  121. J says: • Website
    @Joe Levantine

    Joe, Your comment disputes a statement that I did not dispute. I was referring to the Russians undisputable love of drinking. Even the author agrees that Jews did not do it. BTW, there are practically no Jews in Russia but the Russians still drink a lot. They are good people and they are ruining their livers.

  122. Sarah says:
    @Jim H

    Why are Christians attached to religious scriptures which glorify a culture other than their own? Why do they regard a distant, troubled corner of the Mediterranean as ‘the holy land’? It seems to be the largest-scale, longest-lasting chimeric invasion in human history.

    Yes, it is unnatural🤷

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  123. @Zumbuddi

    place-names in Hebrew scripture are located in southern Arabia

    That is the thesis of Kamal Salibi, The Bible Came from Arabia (although I don’t remember if he places them in Southern Arabia, or in the North-West part, where the actual Sinai is). In any case, there is strong evidence (in the Bible itself) that Yahweh was originally found by Moses in the crater of an Arabian volcano. See my article:
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-arabian-cradle-of-zion/

    • Thanks: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  124. @Anonymous

    The spread of the Mongol empire was not a Mongol subjugation but a result of Rus nobility allying with Mongols and using Mongol corces to fight other Rus principalities

    I also have seen this account and believe it to be accurate.
    It corresponds with a general history of the European races. One might regard Perfidious Albion with justified contempt, but the question needs to be asked as to how far this unlovely name and reputation fits westerners, including Slavs.

    Our Euro history is largely one of Perfidy, even and perhaps expecially to our own selves. A casual glance at “white” history will confirm this.
    My own area of interest is the first half of the bloody 20th century.
    The hundreds of millions dead, wholesale devastation more or less relate to Herzl’s 1897 Zionist Declaration. There is NO WAY that it could have been achieved without bought and paid for euro help.
    The same payroll is still active today, especially in USUK/5 Eyes, EU.

    Currently there is disquiet, putting it mildly, about Russia’s evacuation of Kherson.
    Accounts relate of the RF Army running out, even abandoning tons of viable equipment. There is suspicion of a secret accommodation with the western talmudist forces which wish to establish Jewkraine.
    Perhaps it is a tactical withdrawal as the Rus command says.
    But perhaps it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  125. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @emerging majority

    The current Russian MOD announcement to evacuate Kherson and the right bank of the Dnieper will cool things off a bit, right up to the point when Putin and Shoigu get all their chessmen properly arrayed and then launch their General Winter offensive. A rapid collapse of the Ukrainian military followed by the Kiev administration fleeing to the West, should be the teller. I would expect Erdogan to opt eastwards come February.

    February (2023/01) will also be about the time that the northern European population realizes just how much it has lost with the loss of Russian resources, and how much more it has to lose should resource loss continue. At that point, either northern Europe rejects US suzerainty or is deindustrialized and suffers important civil casualties from continued loss of Russian resources. Either decision means that the US can’t borrow money from northern Europe to roll over the US governmental debt, and will be unable to intervene militarily to retain its suzerainty. Erdogan would thus have to face only Russian Federation resistance to Turkish occupation of areas in Central Europe. Given the Ukraine/Russian Federation conflict and the uncertainty of the US reaction to loss of Northern Europe as a tributary region, it is doubtful that the Russian Federation would intervene in the above hypothetical Turkish occupation.

    The above situation is in part an indirect result of the US election of 2022/11/07, the results of which have precluded any change in US policy towards the Ukraine/Russian Federation conflict.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  126. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    It was not the Romanov westernizers who falsified the history of Russia.
    It is the Western interpretation of the Russian history seen through the glasses of Eurocentrism. Was not Napoleon who famously said: ”Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare”? He was poorly inspired to scratch them. Like the Poles before him or Hitler after him.
    Anyway, the accusations that the Romanovs falsified the history have been brought in the context of ‘Normanism vs Anti-Normanism’, whether the state of Russia was founded by the Germans or the Slavs, a few hundred years before the Tartars.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @ariadna
  127. @Arthur MacBride

    Completely agree. But if I may, don’t be too hard on the “Mickey Mouse” west. It’s entirely a deliberate construct of T.H.E.Y. The Hierarchy Exploiting You.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  128. Slav says:
    @Anon

    Mao’s cultural revolution only destroyed relicts of feudal class system. Allowed subsequent 40 years of rapid development by unleashing country’s full human potential.

    Have Americans ever considered sending kids of their wealthy urbanite classes to countryside for reeducation? Would make them decent beings and solve many of your problems with not only jews.

    Or keep sending them to elite universities disconnected from rest if the society and complain about them being “commies”. You people are brainwashed by bourgeoise media lies about communists.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  129. annamaria says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    The Kazakhs were the most suffering group under the Bolshevik boot:

    The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, also known as the Kazakh catastrophe or Goloshchyokin genocide after Filipp Goloshchyokin (born Shaya Itsikovich). An estimated 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed by the Soviet famine of 1930–1933.

    Filipp Goloshchyokin (born Shaya Itsikovich) was the First Secretary of the Communist Party in the Kazakh ASSR and is also known as one of the primary perpetrators of the execution of the Romanov family.
    A contemporary about Goloshchyokin (Shaya Itsikovich):

    This is a man who does not stop the blood. This trait is especially noticeable in his nature: the executioner, cruel, with some elements of degeneration. In party life he was arrogant, was a demagogue, a cynic. He did not count the Kazakhs as people at all.

    Never again, indeed. They don’t teach at yeashivas about this genocidal Jew.

    The handling of collectivizatio under Goloshchyokin leadership in Kazakhstan is remembered by a feeling of hatred and horror by the Kazakh people.

    Americans and the EU people need to take this story about Shaya Itsikovich (Goloshchyokin) into account.
    A minor detail: https://hyperleap.com/topic/Filipp_Goloshchyokin/Nikolai_YezhovNikolai
    Yezhov was a high-level functionary in the Soviet secret police and eventually a head of the NKVD. He was one of the principal executioners of Stalinist repression during the Great Purge (1936–1938).

    When Yezhov was arrested, he stated during his interrogation that he was the lover of Filipp Goloshchyokin, leader of the Kazakh ASSR and that they had shared an apartment.

    These mass murderers, they knew where to find each other.

    • Thanks: JWalters
  130. @Seraphim

    Was not Napoleon who famously said: ”Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare”?

    It was Joseph De Maistre, but Napoléon might have repeated it.
    Agreed for the rest. Anyway, the original Rus’ are supposed to be Swedes vikings, aren’t they?

  131. werpor says:
    @Serge Krieger

    Historical sources? And whose sources might they be? Western studies? The studies written by court historians? Maybe you are referring to the studies relegating 99% of the worlds history to a cipher; the typical parochial view which constitutes the bulk or received wisdom, which sadly constitutes a dangerous sweet blindness. As my father used to remind me; “ignorance” is bliss, or rather more colloquially, “what you don’t know can’t hurt you.”

    The world view as inculcated and received in the west today is a synopsis — rather like a Reader’s Digest version of the complete novel. For those who only watch TV, like a Walt Disney version of the Monkeys Paw. The Disney version would have the distraught protagonists discovering the paw concealed a magic claw which granted one final wish; and everyone lived happily ever after.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  132. Rurik says:
    @Alden

    Before they became Muslims the pagan Turkish religion worshiped iron. Because it made weapons.

    that’s the first I’ve heard of such a religion since I was a teenager and read Robert E. Howard books about ancient and mythical Cimmerians who worshiped steel, because swords were made from it. Perhaps that’s where he got the idea.

    I find it strange that he claims Russia was allied with the Mongols and Turks who enslaved so many Russian Slavs.

    Or the Tartars, who enslaved or sold into slavery, millions of Russians.

    Tartars are not Mongols, but are a conglomeration of Turks with lots of intermixed Mongol and other Asiatic, Khazar and other mystery meat. They were conflated with Mongols in Russia for a time, because both were considered a hellish menace on the Russian people, (with good reason – in spite of curious ‘scholarly’ suggestions to the contrary).

    The most famous modern (half) Tartar is Charles Bronson

    Mongolians, on the other hand, have very east Asian features

    Hundreds of years of Turks slave raiding and conflict on the southern borderlands of Russia with Turks contradicts this article about Mongolian Russian Turkish alliance …

    yes, I’d only add that what you’re referring to as ‘Turkish’, I’d suggest is more Tartar. (as I mentioned, who are a genetic conglomeration of Turks and Mongols and Khazars and Greeks and God knows whom else was blended into what is know as the various tribes of Tartars). The Tartars over the centuries, were well known slave raiders in Russia and Eastern Europe. And they’d often sell the white slaves to the Ottomans, (who I’d say were the Turks).

    Lots of blending at the seams, including into Russia and elsewhere. Just like the Moors in Spain. When a people are conquered, (like the people of the West today), there is much blending going on between the conquered and the conqueror. The modern Mexican is perhaps the most notable ethnotype whose ancestors were a combination of Spanish (and some Portuguese) with the indigenous Aztecs, Maya and Incas. A whole new race was formed. The same thing with the Tartars of Crimea and elsewhere.

    Today, these people all get along; the Russians along with the Muslims of the Caucasus (a huge feather in Putin’s cap) and the many Asiatics and Turks and others in the region. No more slave raids or warring tribes, but rather mutual respect and trade and mutual prosperity.

    This is what the Khazars (who’ve conquered the West) are trying to undo. Unlike the Russians and Turks and Asians of the region, (among so many others) who want peace and prosperity, the Khazars seem to be genetically inclined to intractable tribal hatreds and scheming. They sow discord in every place they settle, and do all they can to disrupt and deprave.

    My hope is that all the tribes and nationalities and ethnicities and religions, will find a way to repudiate this eternally irascible people. Before they cause a nuclear war. The people of the ninth and twelfth and sixteen centuries could wage brutal wars against each other, and slave raid and torture and torment each other to their heart’s content, and it seem that was thier wont.

    But now is a new time. Now the tribes aren’t fighting on horseback with arrows or swords, but with hypersonic intercontinental ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads.

    Humanities weapons have evolved at at million times the rate as human nature. Or, at least some ((one)) tribe’s human nature. It sure would be a shame if the old blood-lusts from the seventh or thirteenth century struggles, were to manifest today as RS-28 Sarmats unleashed from their silos, as the only language the eternal Khazars ultimately understand.

    • Replies: @Brosi
  133. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    No, you are referring to something that has nothing to do with the conwuest of Russia, but merely a battle between one Russian prince who had attacked Mongols without provocation.

    you’re wrong

    The image you posted, “Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks”, has nothing to do with Mongols or Russian history.

    I posted it and described it as a photo depicting what the feast on the Russian princes might have looked like, (and every-time I’ve seen it described, it is exactly so). I didn’t characterize it as being a direct representation of the Mongol feast, but what it might have looked like, (idiot).

    You are clearly an extremely ignorant but stubbornly resistant individual whose only purpose here is to run his or her mouth and speak lots of bullshit.

    have you ever heard of ‘projection’?

    so from now on I’m just gonna cattle prod you.

    I’ve been trolled before, (imbecile), you’re not even in the league of trolls I’ve happily dispatched.

    First off, for a big-talking coward, using a ‘name’ would be the first start to a shred of credibility, rather than crying threats while crumpled into the fetal position and hiding behind Anonymous.

    Pick a name, stick to it, and get your humiliation like the sniveling little cur you are, eh?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  134. @TheTrumanShow

    Thanks, TTS.
    I have some sympathy with your view, but it’s limited tbh.

    Please consider. The Greater Israel plan would collapse without e.g. US soldiers looting Syrian oil, their fathers having fired DU into civilians in Fallujah, their gfathers having firebombed Hamburg and Dresden or administered Reinwiesenlager. Etc etc for well over a century all over the world.
    Similar UK, France, Holland…

    Ordinary sons of the soil enthusiastically killing for the sanhedrin/Masons.
    The power that views them with open contempt.
    And is killing them, their pathetically eager servants, in turn.

    And they are still doing it.
    Lining up at Recruiting Offices.
    Even volunteering to “fight for freedom” and bring Jewkraine into being.

    Stupidity is inadequate term for this ongoing stultifying insanity.

  135. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    And for the last time the Russians weren’t enslaved or subjugated by the Mongols.

    So the Mongols were welcomed in by Russians all too happy to live under Mongol rule for centuries?

    That’s pretty much what I was taught in the government schools about the Moorish rule of Spain. That is was a great benefit to the European Spanish Christians to be ruled by African Moors for centuries. And we should all feel terrible that the mean Queen Isabella was so mean and racist and mean and made the Moors (and their Jewish enablers) leave Spain.

    You should get a job in an American middle school, where you can ‘educate’ young students to your brand of ‘history’. That is, if you aren’t already doing so.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Anon
  136. Rurik says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    original Rus’ are supposed to be Swedes vikings, aren’t they?

    just in case anyone is curious, I chose my screen name when I started posting here, because it was around the time ZOG was fomenting strife between Ukraine and Russia, and I picked ‘Rurik’ because I considered it the name of an historical persona who was poised between the nations of Russia and Ukraine, and I wanted to be a voice of neutrality and peace, between these historically intertwined peoples, who’ve been so ill-used by the tribe for so terribly long. (Especially during the 20th century).

    Alas, insofar as I did what I could to discourage war, and point everyone to Russia’s and Ukraine’s (and America’s and Europe’s and Islam’s) common enemy, war happened regardless.

  137. Zumbuddi says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Thanks for the link, Laurent.

    I should read it before asking if you are acquainted with the work of Italian Naval Commander (Ret) & amateur archeologist Flavio Barbiero —
    The Secret Society of Moses
    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Secret-Society-of-Moses/Flavio-Barbiero/9781594772733

    A radical reexamination of Western history that suggests the descendants of Moses were the architects of the rise of the Roman Church and the ancestors of European aristocracy
    • Answers the inexplicable disappearance of all mention of Moses’s descendants from the Bible
    • Reveals the key role played by Josephus Flavius in shaping early Christianity

    Barbiero’s interest was piqued when he noticed that the family of Moses disappeared from Hebrew scripture; and also that Flavius Josephus and the hundred-or-so priests who accompanied him to Rome after Titus destroyed the temple in 70AD, likewise disappeared from historical record.

  138. Zumbuddi says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Currently there is disquiet, putting it mildly, about Russia’s evacuation of Kherson.
    Accounts relate of the RF Army running out, even abandoning tons of viable equipment. There is suspicion of a secret accommodation with the western talmudist forces which wish to establish Jewkraine.
    Perhaps it is a tactical withdrawal as the Rus command says.
    But perhaps it isn’t.

    AGREE

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  139. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Stick your head in a warm bucket of Jew shit.

    That should enlighten you.

    What? Your owed some explanation? For anything?

    Grow up.

  140. GMC says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Not sure if you wrote that the Crimea TaTar are different than the Eastern Russian TaTar.It was one of the first things I was told here. Enjoy your writings. Spasibo

  141. @Zumbuddi

    Z
    You may be aware that there are currently some very serious allegations against Putin. Personally I hope they are not true.

    Additional to the Kherson retreat there is also the matter of the non destruction of the Ukraine railway.
    Used to carry troops and war material which kill Russian soldiers.
    It is said that this railway has not been destroyed because it carries Titanium exports to the west, a trade controlled by russian oligarchs, and Putin is in their pocket.

    There are also AFU incursions into Russia.
    Currently repelled, but maybe will be repeated.

    There is a furore abt this.
    Calls for Army coup. Putin to be arrested, even executed …

    I’d hate to find that VVP is a Rottenchild lackey.
    But some evidently think so.

  142. @Sarah

    Unnatural? Of course. An abstract, desert-based religion, including elements of other beliefs and traditions “borrowed” from many different cultures; together with a bloodthirsty Tribal WarGod, happens to be as un-natural as you can get for folks of the forests, plains and mountains of Europe.

    Sooner or later others will catch on to the nutshell of the whole matter: Rome imposed upon its subjects a double enslavement, first to the Empire and secondly to the slavery inherent in the religion concocted by the ancient Hebrews and massively exacerbated by the Babylonian Talmudists and their world domination agenda.

    It IS the JudieChristie MagickMindfuck.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  143. @Anonymous

    Several countries, beginning to the north-central region with Czechia, thence through Hungary and crescendoing with Serbia are already about to dump the EU/NATOstan consortium. I’m not talking the current regime in Prague, a bunch of Quislings, but the Czech people.

    If the improbable invasion by the Turks occurs, the Greeks, Bulgarians and even Austrians would promptly get on board. I’m sure Erdogan realizes this eventuality and therefore would not be tempted by a move into Europe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Barr says:

    Distortion of Slav -Tartar – Mongol. history was par the course the Anglo Saxon embarked upon few hundred years ago . That enduring legacy could still be felt in Indian subcontinent in addition to man -made calamities and famines .

    They created new fissures and identities and personally tried to balance depending on who they needed at any particular time .

    World stands at the juncture of a new major change .
    One can only hope that it wouldn’t be dominated by same class, same thuggery , same polarization and abuse .
    There is a different entirely opposite possibility .
    But the entitled amoral violent regime steeped into the culture of getting away , will try not let it happen without a fight or major subversion .

  145. Zumbuddi says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Just listened to Duran from two days ago (perhaps before big news of Kherson pullout?).

    The Alexes discussed Xi’s meeting with Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) and the Saudi prince’s intention to join Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to BRICS (Brazil, China, Russia, India, China, South Africa) (Pepe Escobar mentioned this a week or so ago https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/17447 ), which would lead to KSA detaching from Dollar reserve in favor of developing a currency more amenable to facility of Belt-Road participants’s transactions.

    I did not know of the threats to Putin, though it surely comes with the territory.

    I share your concern that Putin is more pro-zionist than makes me comfortable. The pressures on Putin must be enormous.

    but more importantly, FETTERMAN!!!!

  146. Zumbuddi says:
    @emerging majority

    Rome imposed upon its subjects a double enslavement, first to the Empire and secondly to the slavery inherent in the religion concocted by the ancient Hebrews and massively exacerbated by the Babylonian Talmudists and their world domination agenda.

    You consider that Rome’s intentional project?

    Rome had functioned reasonably well — was actually built around — a constitutional system centered on pagan** practices.

    I view the “massive exacerbation by the Babylonian Talmudists” and their psychopathic god as one of — perhaps the second of the Judeo-zionists successful overthrows of an empire (the first being the weakening unto death of the Persian empire, which Jews later suborned to the point of using Persian (Parthian) forces to destroy Jerusalem in the 7th century). That is, in my view, Rome was “cornered” into incorporating/appeasing the “Talmudists and their world domination agenda.”

    Some argue that Constantine never renounced Mithraism, but that his “conversion” to Christianity was one of convenience and a bid to find a compromise and impose order on a chaotic situation in the Empire
    https://www.q-mag.org/mithras-jesus-and-josephus-flavius.html
    Perhaps Jewish financiers were funding the warriors whose battle standards were switched to the Cross?? [sheer speculation]

    **While filibustering Adam Green, Kevin Barrett introduced the ideas of René Girard, who:

    saw pagan religion as basically emerging from a situation where, when the community, because of the clash of memetic desires ended up against each other’s throats in a kind of Hobbesian war of all against all, . . . breakdown in massive human bloodshed.
    But then everybody turns against a scapegoat and then lynch him, and that brings the community back together and releases the bad energy and [regains] harmony. And so they build a statue to that guy they lynched, and he becomes their pagan god. . . .
    This ubiquity of pagan human sacrifice as the basic force holding human groups together uh René Girard REALLY shows us CLEARLY and has been rolled back by the Abrahamic tradition.

    Paganism in Rome and elsewhere in the West was far more complex — and Roman paganism was far less centered on “human sacrifice” than Girard avers. Some historians argue that Carthage was destroyed by Rome because (among other reasons) Carthaginian Phoenicians practiced child sacrifice.

    Further, Barrett’s claim that the “Abrahamic tradition . . . ” universal monotheism reversed the “ubiquity” of “pagan human sacrifice” as the “basic force holding human groups together” is not credible. Not at all.

  147. Bert says:
    @anonymous

    “nuanced” understanding of Jews??? That word has no place in the thinking of any true anti-semite. One doesn’t have a nuanced understanding of someone who is cutting, or would cut, his throat.

  148. @Rurik

    Under the Moors, in Spain the Moslems, Christians and Jews lived amicably together, with the occasional outburst of violence. Under the ‘Christians’, terror reigned, and was exported as genocide to the New World. Ask the Taino about ‘Christian’ charity.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  149. @Zumbuddi

    Yes, I got very interested by Barbiero’s thesis, and included in this article:
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-yahweh-conquered-rome/

    • Thanks: Zumbuddi
  150. @Passing By

    Which end? Which means? The real Judaic problem is one morality for the fellow Chosen, another, less friendly, for the goyim.

    • Replies: @Passing By
  151. @Rurik

    That scene is depicted in the Russian movie “Kolovrat” (“Furious” in English).

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @Odyssey
  152. Brosi says:
    @Rurik

    A meme speaks a 1000 words….

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, Rurik
  153. Rurik says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Under the Moors, in Spain the Moslems, Christians and Jews lived amicably together, with the occasional outburst of violence. Under the ‘Christians’, terror reigned, and was exported as genocide to the New World.

    after centuries of domination by foreign conquerors, subjugation, enslavement, and seeing their daughters dragged off to the local harem, their sons conscripted to fight in their wars and being forced to live under a foreign people’s rule, generation after grueling generation, the newly freed, and re-ascendant Spanish, like a beach-ball held under the water, and finally allowed to burst forth to freedom – the consequent explosion of pent-up human spirit, subdued for endless generations, was an imperial tsunami, I agree.

    It is my eternal belief, and almost, you could say my secular religion, that

    all peoples are entitled to self-determination.

    It is this insidious lack of respect for other people’s right to self-determination, that drives so much of the suffering and misery of the world. Was it wrong and an abomination against everything holy and good, that Moors crossed into Christian lands, with sword in hand, and imposed their ways upon the European Spanish people? Yes, of course it was. Only a cretin would disagree. Just as it was wrong for the Spanish to pillage and plunder and rape their way across South America, and elsewhere. This seems obvious to me, but some people have a remarkable capacity for myopia, when looking at the respective abuses dished out over history, depending on who was the ‘pitcher’, and who was the ‘catcher’. Lots of people rapturize the Moorish enslavement of Spain, as the ultimate comeuppance to whitey for all his crimes, real or imagined, past or present.

    Sort of like I’ve seen Russians gloating over how many German (and Eastern European) women were force-impregnated after Germany’s defeat. How did Ehrenburg exhort the Red Army soldier?

    “…Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty…”

    To many so-called humans, this treatment of German (and Polish and other) women and girls, wasn’t just justified, but glorious! ‘Where’s mine?!’ you can almost hear the chorus of sub-human ‘men’ shouting.

    This too, is the “morality” of those who would sugar-coat the cruel subjugation of the Russian or Spanish people by Mongols or Moors, respectively. Good! They squish. How do you like that, little Russian girl?! What’s it like to be a slave, Spanish Christian?!

    Well Mulgla, they didn’t like it too much, but sadly, the world wasn’t yet ready to learn the real lessons of subjugation and self-determination. IOW, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Yes, there is the argument that the Aztecs were practicing human sacrifice on a massive scale, and that is to be frowned upon, but that doesn’t justify (at least from our modern and enlightened perspective) the enslavement of others. So there was blame to go around. I agree with you on that.

    Let’s just try to avoid a myopic view of history, (like the one taught in all the official history books and Hollywood, et al), that in every case, whitey is the evil one, and conversely, from the Mongols to the Moors to the Red Army rapists, the darker the skin, the move benevolent and compassionate and noble and honorable. Just as the converse is not true either.

    • Thanks: emerging majority
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  154. Iva says:

    “Solzhenitsyn published his two volumes on the relationship between Russians and Jews (Two Centuries Together: 1795-1995) only at the end of his life.”….. Was Solzhenitsyn “200 years together” translated and published in English? A while ago I read it wasn’t and I bought in different language.

  155. Skeptikal says:

    Fascinating video of Judith Kalik.

    Thanks.

    The Haaretz article is behind a paywall.

  156. Odyssey says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    We already established that Goths were NOT German(ic)s what was one of the greatest history falsifications. Now, we should establish that ‘Vikings’ were neither Nordics, nor German(ic)s. They were (mostly) ‘Slavs’. There are sci papers which confirm this by using genetics, even simple Google search gives the same results. In addition, they were not as regularly presented in the cartoons.

  157. Odyssey says:
    @Passing By

    To be more specific and correct. The first assertion is applicable for Orthodox Christianity only, not for Catholicism which is closer to the later example.

    • Replies: @Passing By
  158. Skeptikal says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I have seen a documentary that shows how Norse traders penetrated the Slavic lands via riverine trade routes that took them all the way to Constantinople and Baghdad. Such as along the Dnieper and the Volga. But I can’t find that documentary now. Supposedly the Norsemen founded trading centers along the way, and the name Rus was a Swedish word mean “rower.” Supposedly “Ruthenia” is of similar derivation.

    Regarding the Tatars, the Mongolian Empire is described by Wiki as “the largest contiguous land empire in history.[5] Originating in present-day Mongolia in East Asia, the Mongol Empire at its height stretched from the Sea of Japan to parts of Eastern Europe, extending northward into parts of the Arctic;[6] eastward and southward into parts of the Indian subcontinent, attempted invasions of Southeast Asia and conquered the Iranian Plateau; and westward as far as the Levant and the Carpathian Mountains.” So it seems like the Mongol Empire was the first unifying trans-Eurasian power.

    Marco Polo lived during the period of the greatest extent and power of the Mongolian Empire.
    A very readable and well documented book, Marco Polo: From Venice to Xanadu, by Lawrence Bergreen, contains a lot of information about the Mongols, their customs, their administration, their cross-continental communication routes, and also their genetic legacy.

    This seems to me to have relevance to the study of the blending of Russian and Mongol or Tatar components in the creation of the Russian Empire and people. One interesting factoid from the book (p. 103): “One in twelve Asian men . . . carries a Y chromosome originating in Mongolia at the time of Genghis Khan. . . . A group of Oxford University researchers evaluated genetic markers in men across Asia; 8 percent of those studied were virtually identical, meaning that the individuals were closely related even though they lived thousands of miles apart. The geneticists concluded that the 8 percent were direct descendants of Genghis Khan.”

    Sources for Bergreen’s chapters on the Mongolian Empire at this time (which ruled China) are provided on pp. 371-72.

    The index is quite detailed for entries relating to the Mongolian Empire and how it was run.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  159. JWalters says:
    @USA Invades Israel

    I agree. The problem is not merely that the Jewish community focused on careers in finance and middle-men. The problem is their organized dishonesty and criminality, codified and justified by their banker-rabbis in their “holy” books.

    I too thank Laurent for another great contribution to our understanding on this foundational topic.

    • Replies: @USA Invades Israel
  160. JWalters says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    For interested readers, here’s some further detail on that alcohol business.
    A Closer Look At Poland And Eastern Europe
    http://www.whenvictimsrule.blogspot.com/search/label/07__Poland_and_Eastern_Europe

  161. Odyssey says:

    Who were Norsemen? Vikings? What was their genetics? ‘Rus’ – a Swedish word. When was Swedish language formed? It means that Russians (and Prussians) got their names based on Swedish ‘rowers’? Maybe Serbs, too (this is the alternative name for them). And Thracians (Greek reading of this word)? Maybe even Etruscans (who called themselves Raseni)?

  162. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    A quotation from a French newspaper:
    ”Dans une de ses approximations, l’Histoire nous livre une citation qu’elle hésite à attribuer à Joseph de Maistre où à Napoléon : « Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare. » Pour être apocryphe, cette formule n’en demeure pas moins d’actualité. Car dans sa soif de conquête, Vladimir Poutine, pourtant né à Saint-Pétersbourg, semble l’héritier de ces lointaines peuplades d’Extrême orient à qui rien ne devait résister sur leur passage”.
    It matters little whether it was pronounced by Joseph de Maistre or by Napoleon. It stems from the same frame of mind (the unholy alliance of Papism with Empire and the de-legitimization, even demonization, of ‘Byzantium’ and its successors). Joseph de Maistre was an ‘ultramontanist’ (cum Freemason), a hater of the ‘oriental schism’ (”Le déplorable schisme des Grecs et l’invasion des Tartares empêchèrent les Russes de participer au grand mouvement de la civilisation européenne et légitime qui partait de Rome”) and a propagandist of Papism in Russia (« un grand semeur de catholicisme ») which eventually pissed off even the tolerant Emperor Alexander I who asked the King of Piedmot-Sardinia* to terminate the ambassadorial appointment of de Maistre (along with the banishment of the Jesuits from Russia).
    *De Maistre was not ‘French’ but a Savoyard, subject of the Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia

    • Agree: Laurent Guyénot
  163. @Rurik

    Of course what you say is true, and at different times ‘peoples’ can act in either an harmonious and benevolent way towards other ‘peoples’ (and other ‘classes’ and religions within their own people)and thereby live in peace and to mutual benefit, or they can attack ‘others’ with vigour. In other words we forget our often imagined or constructed differences, or we make them the excuse for slaughter.
    Generally speaking I agree with those who believe that human groups tended to live more amicably under ancient matrilinear and matriarchal, goddess worshipping, social arrangements, where social roles and power were shared by the sexes. The later dominance of patriarchy and monotheism were not, in my opinion, an advance in human development. The propensity for aggressive violence is humanity’s downfall. We’ve tried to find some religion or philosophy to get human destructiveness under control, but the destroyers have a great advantage. The peaceful leave the violent alive, but not vice versa, handing the violent a great selective advantage. And, as we know from Judaism (but no-one dare say so) a cult that sees murdering its enemies as a religiously sanctioned ‘good deed’ is not going to have a benevolent effect on its neighbours, or itself. And religiously ordained murder has infiltrated both Islam and Christianity and political systems as well.

    • Agree: Rurik
  164. @mulga mumblebrain

    Whatever ends the “chosen” pursue, whatever means they deem expedient to achieve them.

  165. @Odyssey

    In theory, it applies to Catholicism too. In theory.

    • Agree: Odyssey
  166. Are Turks even real?

    There’s clearly no such thing as an ethnic Turk.

    Laurent, you should look into Fomenko’s work. He denies the existences of an asiatic Mongol horde entirely. He says that it was all just Romanonv propaganda to justify their wars against the south, which was against their ascension to the throne.

    Basically, Scythians were proto-Russians and are survived by Cossacks. Or at least were.

    Big fan of your work, sir!

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  167. @werpor

    I am talking historians who do not use Western sources. All are Russian. There was a good video by Evgenij Spicyn where he was talking about Gumilev and his “historical” books. The man was inventing things out of thin air. Gumelev is hardly a serious historian. He was basically bending facts to fit his little “theories”. The only reason he is so much loved here is because of that Khazarian Khaganat thing.

  168. Poor Turks / Mongol / “Khazarian jew”people ! Heavily insulted on this site, maybe with some reason sometimes. Also somehow an insult to east asian in a way… It’s true the turks / mongol can be very mean. The had Attila, they massacred christian armenian and cut black slaves their testes during the Ottoman empire (as recent as the white slaves trade, if not more recent). But nevertheless the Anglozionist can’t be reduced eactly to “Kahzarian” or “Turks”. It’s more like an anti-race drawing elements from what’s worst in each race. I’s an identity to which you go to maybe more than you come from. There are askenaz jews (I’m not…) who are embarrassed by theses psychopaths I guess.Then if these psychopaths claim themselves to be “jews” so let’s call them by the name they give themselves. It’s their problem.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  169. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @emerging majority

    Apologies.
    My post as displayed on unz.com read “Erdogan would thus have to face only Russian Federation resistance to Turkish occupation of areas in Central Europe

    It was intended to read:

    Erdogan would thus have to face only Russian Federation resistance to Turkish occupation of areas in Central Asia

    My apologies; not catching the foulup was a major error on my part.

    Erdogan would face certain defeat should he attempt an invasion of Central Europe, even if he did so after all nations in Central Europe renounced protection from the US.

    • Thanks: emerging majority
  170. @Zumbuddi

    The “family of Moses disappeared from the picture” because he never existed in the first place. Having created him (on the basis of an earlier more mythical version) Ezra had to explain why no one knew where he was buried and why there were no descendants around. So… God tells Moses to go die alone, and no one must know where, and then one lone Moses descendant is sent off with the Ten Lost Tribes. History is Bunk and don’t believe everything you read.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
  171. @Arthur MacBride

    I have heard the same thing about Biden.

  172. ariadna says:
    @Seraphim

    “Was not Napoleon who famously said: ”Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare”?”
    Interestingly a NYC Jew once told me :“Scratch a Russian, find a Hun, scratch a Hun, find a Jew.”
    I think he believed that the Jews were the most numerous ethnic group in all Eurasia.

    • Replies: @Slav
  173. Kali says:
    @IreneAthena

    Dearest Irene,

    [MORE]

    The world seems to be at a tipping point right now, which is why I was so pleased to read that in the East, in and around Russia, the people have a better understanding/knowledge of their history than we do in the West. Including an awarness of the very destructive role played by a certain ethnocentric tribe. – If it’s true that Gumilev’s theories are part of the curriculum in Russian schools, then a Russian victory may be worth hoping for. – Although, to be perfectly honest, there isn’t a single politician, living or bast, that I would trust not to be a double-dealing, self-serving, con-artist. – Still, a multipolar technocracy may be easier to beat than a unipolar one. Only time will tell.

    Also contained in the article is the notion of two (or more) ethnicities coming together for mutual benefit and support. An idea, as you know, that’s very close to my heart, and which also reflects what we’re experiencing here on the mountain in micrcosm. And though there’s naturally some debate regarding the historical accuracy of the claim, from the perspective of “little people” coming together to make life easier, more prosperous and abundant, it fits nicely into my own view of mankind (the best in us anyway).

    I understand completely your distress regarding our current place in history, and what “tptb” seem to be contemplating (at least for public consumption). But personally, I’m not so sure they’ll go there.

    We only have tales of nuclear holocaust to perpetuate fear and anxiety, but none of us truly knows what those alledged WMDs can do. But if those tales are true, then whoever pushes the button can expect to be caught up in the blow-back. The overlords of the west are lots of things, but I’m not sure “suicidal” is one of them. Again, only time will tell.

    With no offence meant to the boys (and several girls) of the forum, I do know what you mean by having a “no boys allowed” place. (They surely do love to ponificate on military matters, don’t they! lol) My own life over the last ten years has been spent bredominantly (often exclusively) in the company/community of men. At last this is changing and women are finally arriving here. So I can attest to the many significant differences in our nature and even our conversation! – What a releaf it is to finally have some female company on the mountain!

    I’m finding long walks out with the goats and dogs (often the cat too), whilst singing aloud and chanting my mantra help to keep me happy and positive.

    Right now is olive harvest here – lots of really hard work (which I’m shirking this afternoon!) aching muscles and filth, followed by long, hot showers/baths. All of this is food for the soul. So grounding. So REAL.

    I mention it because I hope you may find some similar activity(ies) in which to emerse yourself and leave behind cares over things you cannot possibly affect. Autumn is such a lovely time of year for taking long walks through the wilderness. 🙂

    What Laurent brings to light with this article is a glimpse toward a possible future fit for our progyny to inherrit. – I’ve always believed that such a future is not only possible, but inevitable. But to have a tangible trajectory from the ancient past to a possibly harmonious future helps too.

    I also believe that the energy we distill out into the ether also has a tangible impact on our collective consciousness, collective well-being and on our future. – This is one reason that the megolamainiacs who call themselves “elite” do all they can to keep us in a low vibrational state. So not buying in to thier lies and distortions is crucial (though not always easy).

    Sending love, courage and fortitude to you dear Irene – on the wings of angels,
    Kali.

    (kazz67 at gmail dot com)

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  174. annamaria says:
    @Christophe GJ

    Jews are immersed in a sick supremacist milieu from Infancy. No wonder Jewish tribe produces inordinate numbers of traitors, criminals, and warmongers: Rabbi Ariel Israel: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140511-israeli-settler-violence-against-palestinian-civilians/

    A Jew who kills a non-Jew is exempt from human judgment, and has not violated the prohibition of murder.

    Jews should live in Jewish colonies, away from normal humans. The tribe has been cultivating mental illness forever. https://hakirah.org/Vol%2016%20Balk.pdf

    The Zohar, the primary source of Jewish mystical thought, firmly establishes the perspective distinguishing between the souls of Jews and non-Jews. … The people of Israel, the Zohar states, possess a living, holy, and elevated soul (“nefesh ḥayah kadisha ila’ah”), as opposed to the other nations, who are described as akin to animals and crawling creatures, which lack this “Divine” soul and possess only an “animal” soul.

    This parasitic ideology supports all kinds of Jewish crimes against humanity, from organ trafficking and pedophile rings to major false-flag operations.

    The enormous crimes and sadism of Jewish Bolsheviks should have been studied and discussed instead of being carefully hidden and then obstructed by the profitable and slanderous schema of holobiz.
    The ongoing war in Ukraine is a joint project of Jews and self-proclaimed Nazis (Banderites). The project is a practical and logical expression of the talmudists’ murderous mindset.

  175. Slav says:
    @ariadna

    This is bullshit. Russian Jews mostly originate from Galitsia, Galitsian Jews mostly originate from further west. The whole Khazarian theory sounds like a bullshit to me.

  176. @Slav

    If it is good for nothing else it can send a person on a wild goose chase. Or in my own case a wild name-stealer chase. The internet has one prominent motor mouth who has made a detailed claim. He says the Khazars are named as the famed name-stealers both in the Oera Linda Book and in Journey to the West. The first is a European source, the second a Chinese. The Frisians considered this eastern tribe the most evil in memory. The Chinese considered this western tribe the most evil in memory. (This is the detailed claim.) Non copyright versions of these works can be downloaded and searched for the string.

    It is a futile but short exercise.

    Veterans Today seems to love this topic for some reason. No doubt the people who ran Khazaria were criminal all over the time and place. The word for this: typical.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  177. Druid55 says:
    @Odyssey

    Of note is that for you everything is Serbian. What a joke!

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  178. annamaria says:

    The Jewish chimerians are like lemmings running to their goal by all means: https://www.voltairenet.org/article218388.html

    The Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas created a “Disinformation Governance Board” … Nina Jankowicz was presented as a young researcher, and specialist in “Russian disinformation”. In reality, she was an employee of [the criminal] Madeleine Albright’s National Democratic Institute, responsible for defending the interests of the Bidens in Ukraine. She worked in the team of the candidate Volodymyr Zelensky, the current president of Ukraine.

    Nina Jankowicz was previously, in the midst of the civil war, in the service of Pavlo Klimkin, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of President Petro Poroshenko. She then opposed the Minsk agreements, although they had been endorsed by the United Nations Security Council. During this long stay in Ukraine, she developed a theory on Russian disinformation … Unaware of the reality of the civil war and its 20,000 dead, she exposed all the current clichés about the bad Russians who wanted to extend their empire to Donbas by lying to the Europeans.

    During this period, Nina Jankowicz used the Ukrainian association StopFake, subsidized by the National Endowment for Democracy (in other words by the CIA), the British government, and George Soros, to make believe that the Maidan coup was a popular revolution.

    The pest Nina Jankowicz is Jewish “because her grandparents were Jewish in the ghetto, as she claims.”

    • Replies: @JWalters
  179. @Slav

    You may care to read “Russia and the Khazars” by John Beaty published in 1951.

    https://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/russiaandkhazarschapter2.shtml

    I just realised the entire book is also on UR

    https://www.unz.com/book/john_beaty__the-iron-curtain-over-america/

    • Agree: JWalters
    • Thanks: Kali
  180. What is most unfortunate is that it is nearly impossible to openly investigate the veracity of the theory about Khazaria. The entire subject is vaporous in the west.

  181. Zumbuddi says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Sean MacBride:

    You may be interested in this interview of Gen. MacGregor, especially the last 8 min. or so when he explains the Grand Plan of the Kherson pullout.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  182. Seraphim says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you consider ‘Oera Linda Book’ an authentic historical document (or the ‘Book of Veles’), you may as well use the Harry Potter series.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  183. @Zumbuddi

    Yes, thanks.
    I’ve seen this elsewhere, see below.
    It looks valid, too, and I hope this analysis is correct.

    The telling sign will be if VVP falls for the increasingly desperate west’s ploy and is foolish enough to enter negotiations with them.
    That is what to watch for.

    Meanwhile, as Col McGregor says, Russians are mad as hell about this entire situation and want their Army to retake all russian territory.
    This means most of Ukraine.
    Imho, and if as we hope that VVP is playing a straight game, this is what will happen from the Winter freeze on.

    • Replies: @JWalters
    , @Arthur MacBride
  184. JWalters says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    There’s an excellent discussion on the Duran today with Garland Nixon, discussing the Russian Kherson strategy and the Russian public’s reaction. In his analysis it’s a very rational tactical retreat, and well-understood by the public.

    At about 20:00 he discusses a fascinating theory about why the US wants to sink the EU. It’s only weakness is that he doesn’t mention the Jewish mafia chimera pulling all the Western strings. He does reference the “neocons” several times though.
    Freeze this conflict or escalate w/Garland Nixon
    https://rumble.com/v1tk95q-freeze-this-conflict-or-escalate-wgarland-nixon-live.html

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  185. @Arthur MacBride

    It must be understood that this is not just a battle for Donbass, or even for Ukraine. The entire ziomasonic jwo bankster pedophile gay parade west picked this fight with Russia eight years ago. They failed in 1905, in 1917 with judeo bolshevism, again with Clinton’s organised looting in the 1990s.

    This is their push to invade, loot, dismember Russia (then China).
    Set up a second Jewish State in Kiev.
    As they have done all over the world.

    They are failing.
    It will be important to give them no quarter.
    And no mercy. They need to go down hard.

    • Agree: JWalters, Seraphim, Slav
    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  186. JWalters says:
    @annamaria

    Thanks for this bio of Nina Jankowicz. This makes it clear she is a utility player for the Jewish mafia, switching easily from their massive Ukraine heist to their efforts to destroy the US Constitution. A perfect example of a chimera gang.

  187. @JWalters

    Thanks JW,
    I’ll watch it on your suggestion.

    I used to follow Alex and Alexander more or less daily.
    Less so now since they consistently fail to name the elephant in the room.
    Also Alexander was prone to conduct lengthy analyses of UK “newspapers” which eventually caused me to tune their channel out.

    A generally very good knowledge base, though.
    Usually instant recall of sometimes obscure names, events, places etc.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  188. JWalters says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I’ve come to the conclusion that almost no public figure mentions the elephant the room for fear of being murdered. The Jewish mafia are vicious thugs.

    Hopefully their attack on Russia will be their Waterloo. Hopefully the German and British people will wake up soon to how these parasites are destroying their societies. And eventually the Americans too. This sneaky, cruel gang needs to be extinguished decisively.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  189. @Arthur MacBride

    For whatever it may be worth.
    This is the latest on the Titanium/Uke Railways.

    It seems to be from VDV, the Rus paratrooper div.
    Very elite, high reputation soldiers.

    Disclaimer.
    This is from Telegram.
    I don’t know how genuine it is.

    https://t.me/TXDPR/3081

  190. @Seraphim

    1. You comment seems odd addressed to me. I am not the one who supports the book; I just looked at what it did not say that somebody else said it did say.

    2. I downloaded the Bassin book w/ libgen. In the very first paragraph of the Khazar chapter Bassin has the following Gumilev quote-snip:

    His reconstructions involved a good deal of barely concealed speculation and even guesswork, which he did not deny but rather affirmed, declaring at one point that the difference between a mythic or a real event “is not important for us.”

    p. 81-82

  191. Seraphim says:

    Yes, probably I should have said ‘if one considers…’.

  192. Odyssey says:
    @Druid55

    Still, no one pointed on any incorrect thing in my comments. It would be illusory to expect this from one pre-modern Albanian. You don’t know even the meaning of your pseudonym and after been asked two times you disappeared and did not come back for a couple months. So, Shoo-Shiptar!

    • Troll: Druid55
    • Replies: @Druid55
  193. Odyssey says:
    @Rolo Slavskiy

    Just building on your comment, Rolo.

    The fact is that only btw 50K-250K (different sources) ‘real’ Kazakhs looking Turkish warriors came to the East Roman Empire (‘Byzantine’) where 6 million people lived. It would mean that many of the modern Turks are genetically Greeks (and Serbs, Kurds, Armenians, etc). I think that it is prohibited in Turkey to investigate personal origins.

    Re: Scythians as proto-Russians. The meaning of their name is – tramps (nomads). Which language they spoke and where their language was formed? You should find at least 3K-4K years period, for e.g. from the first consonant (e.g. RRRRRRR…) to the first sentence, and some semi-urban place without ice where people could live and interact.

    Just to remind you, if you already did not know, that Lauren gave a great, globally significant contribution, in debunking the myth (i.e. falsification) that Germans were Goths.

    I follow your texts here, too.

  194. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    ‘Cossacks writing a letter to the Turkish Sultan’ is a famous painting by Ilya Repin which has many modern replicas with modern people.

    Kolovrat (spinning wheel) is an old Slavic sign that signifies the endless cycle of birth and death. It is related to the Vinca’s swastika. The word consists of two parts – a wheel which means the Sun and a neck which means a spin.

    In Slavic culture, the wheel symbolized the god Svarog. The sign is also found on many ornaments. In recent times, it has become the most important sign of Rodnoverje, the renewed faith of the pre-Christian Slavs, and other non-Christian religious communities such as Slavic Vedantism. The name Kolovrat has survived as a surname. Now, it is becoming a unifying Slavic symbol as it was originally before ancient Vinca’s Serbs and their language diverged in several Slavic directions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnvao-V6fw (about modern Kolovrat, 14 min)

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @Slav
  195. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    For the origin of the first rupture, suggest consult Kamal Salibi’s ‘The Bible came from Arabia’ where the Israelites settled following the Exodus. Returning Judahites from their Exile to Babylonia found
    picking up their former lifestyle in their homeland too hard, migrated North to what the Egyptians called ‘God’s Land’ which we now know as Palestine.

  196. @ariadna

    Solzhenitsyn was brought back to Russia on a chariot of laurels during Gorbachov’s catastroika to be made into a moral beacon and a new intellectual leader. He was supposed to keep on pursuing the Western agenda of destroying and smearing Russia’s past by perpetuating the stories of Stalin’s atrocities and millions of Gulag victims. However, this did not happen.

    To begin with, while many younger people swallowed the bait about Gulag, the majority of the population did not have any relatives or family members persecuted under Stalin, so they just did not believe Solzhenitsyn. Later they researched about him and made it widely public: he was a librarian in Gulag most of his term, a pretty warm and comfy job. Next, he had a cancer there, and he was treated for it in Moscow’s best cancer clinic. Sure enough, he put his heart-wriggling observations during the treatment in his book Cancer Ward. Do you see the incredible cruelty of the Gulag system and the Soviet Union? They put a prisoner among book stacks and when he gets a cancer, they send him to a cancer clinic, for free. This could never have happened in the democratic West, only in the totalitarian Soviet Union! The treatment was good and he recovered unlike many of the others he described in the Cancer Ward. Obviously, these facts did not present him as a poor innocent victim of the barbarous regime, and he lost the aura of a courageous lone fighter against Soviet evil.

    Thus he did not meet the expectations of the Russians, and he failed to wag his tail for his Western masters as well – rather than toil in the direction he was told to, he wrote 200 Years Together, a pretty neat documentary research about Jews in the Russian Empire and the USSR compiled largely by his wife. Although he had been given the Nobel Prize for his Archipelago, the new publication immediately cut him from the publicity manger, and most liberal Russian outlets gibbeted him and deleted from the list of personalities to be ever mentioned.

    Thus Solzhenitsyn is indeed perceived in present-day Russia more like a subservient guy of the West. The horrors of the Gulag system are painfully vivid and scraping your soul in Varlam Shalamov’s stories, that’s what Russians also read. But again, Gulag is a minor episode in the country’s history for most Russians, not really as bad as the 1921/22 famine or the one a decade later to say nothing of the Great War. Meanwhile, the hammering down of Gulag into Westerners heads made it more than an overarching concept for them. It is something like a religion for them. And it cannot be hammered back. Poor guys.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  197. annamaria says:
    @JWalters

    “The Jewish mafia are vicious thugs.”

    — And yet, the colossus has feet of clay. To save humanity, Russians need to strike and demolish the talmudic financial system. The new polarity must introduce exceptionally strict rules against banksters, which would prevent private interests completely from influencing national currencies. Otherwise, there should be extremely steep punishments, including long prison terms, for any attempts at dragging the world to the subhuman model of the current Rothschilds/City of London/Federal Reserve policies.

    The talmudic Parasite must perish.

  198. Druid55 says:
    @Odyssey

    Your mother is probably Albanian!

  199. annamaria says:
    @JWalters

    The poisonous insect unable to control its murderous impulses:

    The 2nd of July 1943 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency announced, “Russia has saved over ten times as many Jews from Nazi extermination as all the rest of the world put together,” James N. Rosenberg, American Jewish leader, declared here today in an address of welcome which he delivered at a reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.
    Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
    “We Jews,” Mr. Rosenberg said, “rightly give thanks for the innumerable resolutions of sympathy for Jews, adopted by well-meaning men and groups horrified by the hideous tragedy which has befallen our people. Russia has chosen deeds. She has given life, asylum, bread, and shelter to a vast Jewish population. These facts are not sufficiently known. To make them known to every Jew in this country is a task of supreme importance for the Jewish Council for Russian War Relief. Need I ask what would have happened to those Jews had Russia left them where they were?”

    Talmudist Bankers should not be trusted under any circumstances.

  200. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Kali

    Howdy, sweet Kali! I live a very compartmentalized life. In my private world, I am much like you, joyfully singing as I garden and cook and prepare! When I’m online, I absorb and react to the negativity of the whole world. Re: NO BOYS ALLOWED category [Ron Unz, do you think you could arrange it please?] I want an environment free of — not males in general– but the immaturity of boys (and girls) who reply with such viciousness to the most anodyne of comments. Imagine giving the back of one’s hand to someone who has just shared a link to the beautiful “I shall arise and go now” poem! Ah well, I’ve had a few of my sarcastic comebacks fail to get the moderator’s ok, which is probably just as well. PS Re: this article, and the beauty of cross-cultural cooperation and support: a thousand times YES!

    [MORE]

    Oh, I could go on and on! I hope one day we will be able to sit down in real life and have a chat over a cup of [coffee, tea, wine.] Email Addy noted! And thanks for your very comforting, sensible-perspective-restoring, comment!

    • Replies: @Kali
  201. Kali says:
    @IreneAthena

    You wouldn’t be the first Unzer to visit us on the mountain, sis. Hopefully one day you make it here.

    Lots of love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: IreneAthena
  202. hillaire says:
    @Serge Krieger

    Most of the imbeciles on Unz have no idea what a thoroughly jewed criminal rat hole Russia really is and how it plays bagman for the NWO.. (the rest of the thoroughly jewed criminal rat holes)..

    They think Putin’s going to save them..and how bought and paid for propagandists parrot this line..just like those greedy venal kings and princes convinced themselves jew gold was good for their countries when really they were just on the take… and ended up owned or dead…and their states ruined…

    because Putin and his fifth column’s con job is to deep six what’s left of the Slavs steal their resources and turn Europe into a formerly white version of Africa… using the most absurd War ever conducted..

    For the same characters this article describes.. and undoubtedly of which you are one…

    But little children can’t be told such stories..because they will get frightened and cry…

    and have tantrums..deedums..

    • Replies: @annamaria
  203. Slav says:
    @Odyssey

    What can you say about identity of so-called Celts? Is it possible that some of those people spoke Slavic languages?

    I am not talking about modern Celts but the ones of Roman era who’s languages are lost.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  204. annamaria says:
    @hillaire

    Calm down. You sound hysterical. https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/09/israel-keeps-flights-coming-jews-flee-russia

    When Russia invaded Ukraine, Israel prepared for a wave of Ukrainian Jewish and non-Jewish refugees. The number of Jewish immigrants arriving from Ukraine was much lower than expected, but not negligible. The total number of immigrants arriving to Israel in 2022 is projected to reach about 64,000, a quarter of them from Ukraine and almost half from Russia. Many more Russian Jews already hold double Israeli/Russian citizenship and are not counted as new immigrants or refugees.
    Russia’s Chief Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt left Russia following its invasion of Ukraine. Interviewed by Israel’s public broadcaster, Goldschmidt said, “The situation will only get worse. I recommend to everyone who can get out to get out.”

    — Good riddance!
    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-719410 September 2022:

    Some 40,000 immigrants have arrived since the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, with 24,000 of them coming from Russia.

    No great enthusiasm for moving to Israel among Jews in the Russian Federation.

    This cheesy and snotty article about ‘antisemitism” has totally missed the role of the Jewish American Community in the Nazification of Ukraine.: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1133608843/antisemitic-rhetoric-kanye-jewish-communities-reaction
    There was not a peep from American Jews about the CIA training of self-proclaimed nazis in Ukraine and about Nuland-Kagan’s collaboration with the founders of the Nazi Party in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @hillaire
  205. @JWalters

    Just found this link via Kevin MacDonalds twitter feed. The psychopathic plot aspect thickens.

    https://kirkegaard.substack.com/p/a-theory-of-ashkenazi-genius-intelligence

  206. hillaire says:
    @annamaria

    Dear dear… you just can’t see it can you?.. well…

    undoubtedly you will…

    not that it pleases me…

    So l’d gird yourself for a big disappointment..because the so called war is already ahem…lost..(the big reveal)…

    the strategic objectives of those that staged this theatre having now been accomplished…

    l’ll have a little bet with you Anna just notional and sporting …say a million dollars…

    one of us may be able to buy a loaf with that in around six months time… or perhaps some good real estate out on the black sea..

    NB:there is a video on one of my recent comments worth a peep… wont post again but if you care to you will find it…

    • Replies: @annamaria
  207. annamaria says:
    @hillaire

    Your Talmudic upbringing shines in your messed-up response.
    Ukraine was Nazified by Talmudists on orders from Talmudists. Ukraine lost its sovereignty in 2014. Ukraine is a domain of Zio-Nazism.

    “Another Ukrainian soldier spotted with Nazi insignia:” https://www.rt.com/russia/566414-ukraine-nazi-insignia-soldiers/

    Known as the Black Hunters, and later into WWII as the 36th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, the brigade was a penal unit composed of convicted criminals and led by a notorious war criminal Oskar Dirlewanger. The brigade is known for its role in suppressing the Warsaw uprising and the Wola massacre – the indiscriminate and systematic killing of between 40,000 and 50,000 civilians, including women and children, in the Wola district of the Polish capital.

    Close your holobiz museums already, “hillaire.” We understand that all Ziocons are Banderites now.

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @hillaire
  208. Harry E says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Only the rare independent scholar will deal with these matters.

    Dr Matthew Raphael Johnson has several articles in which he references Gumilev’s writings. You can find them at Johnson’s website https://www.rusjournal.org/

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Monomax_Jews.pdf

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The-Horde.pdf

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Kulish.pdf

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  209. Odyssey says:
    @Slav

    Joshua Whatmough, the Chairman of the Linguistics, Harvard University, collected old Celtic names which they brought from the Balkans, hundreds of years before the alleged migration of the Serbs. Celtic names and language were banned in the 13th century by Edward Longshanks (of ‘Braveheart’ fame). The following are some personal Serbian names which Celts had until they were prohibited:

    Bako, Beli, Belo, Belia, Belik, Boriša, Borust, Borut, Branko, Brus, Buda, Budak, Bukura, Vasonije, Velidor, Venikomed, Vita, Vlatuna, Vratar, Vrbica, Vrsina, Vrša, Davilo, Danko, Danomir, Dediša, Derkojed, Dravko, Jarila, Jeka Jovina, Jovinka, Kamen, Kojo, Ladan, Mato, Matulo, Meda, Miro, Nedo, Niza, Ranilo, Rasia, Rasin, Rodanik, Ruso, Ruma, Savo, Samo, Samonikia, Sarmo, Satara, Sveto, Seleuk, Suria, Tatin, Togimir, Ubila, Dana.

    We have already established that Goths were not German(ic)s. Wiki says: “Gothic is an extinct East Germanic language that was spoken by the Goths. It is known primarily from the Codex Argenteus, a 6th-century copy of a 4th-century Bible translation and is the only East Germanic language with a sizeable text corpus.”

    This Bible is a falsification.

    More Wiki’s crap:
    “The Visigoths spoke an eastern Germanic language that was distinct by the 4th century. Eventually the Gothic language died as a result of contact with other European people during the Middle Ages.”

    It would be interesting to find out which language spoke Frederick Barbarossa.

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  210. Seraphim says:
    @Russian, just Russian

    Solzhenitsyn was a pariah in the West since his scathing criticism of the ‘West’ in the ‘Harvard Address’ 1978 (”The West is spiritually sick”). That he was brought back to Russia ”to keep on pursuing the Western agenda of destroying and smearing Russia” is a lie peddled by the trotsko/liberal ”antistalinist/antitotalitarian left” angry that he didn’t give them the first place in his description of the Gulag (the same that he ‘defames’ for their role in the ‘Russian’ revolution in ”The Red Wheel” and ”2000 years…”).
    BTW he was not given the Nobel Prize for his ”Archipelago” (that shows how well informed are his ‘sovok’ detractors) but for “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”, published in USSR in 1962, where for a while was material for schools.
    The defamation of Solzhenitsyn is a direct attack against Putin.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Ed Case
  211. Folkvangr says:

    However, not only ethnic integrity was lost by the Khazars. Dark Light took away from them into the intergalactic abysses what seems to be inalienable – memory, or, strictly speaking scientifically, ethnic tradition.
    The descendants of the Khazars have forgotten that they were the Khazars, and the descendants of the Khazar Jews have forgotten about the country where their ancestors lived and acted. The latter is understandable: for the Jews, the lower Volga was not their homeland, but a stadium for testing their strength; therefore, it did not make practical sense for them to remember the tragic failure. For these reasons, Khazaria became a country without historical sources: written, physical and ethnographic, that is recorded in the rites and beliefs. And since before the 20th century, any history was based on the collection and criticism of sources, the history of Khazaria could not be written.
    Thanks to the systematic method had the opportunity to get rid of mythmaking, a disease of science, which arises when there is insufficient information about the subject, when unstudied sections of the topic are filled with the historian’s fabrications. Khazar history was repeatedly plagued by this disease and continues to be plagued by it. (Lev Gumilev. Discovery of Khazaria)

  212. @Odyssey

    It would be interesting to learn more about the Germanization and genocide of the Sorbs throughout German history. Not only are the Sorbs being suppressed in Germany but the history of their suppression seems to have been suppressed. Now they are just a marginalised tiny minority. Not satisfied with having exterminated their own Sorbian Slavic population, the Germans set out to exterminate them elsewhere across the borders.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-sorbian-minority-risks-losing-their-language/a-5665556

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @Odyssey
  213. Ed Case says:
    @Seraphim

    Martyanov also has a very negative take on Solzhenitsyn.
    From recent memory, a ” traitor”.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  214. Seraphim says:
    @Ed Case

    Martyanov was educated in the Soviet Union and he absorbed the anti-Solzhenitsyn propaganda from his most tender age. I doubt that he ever knew anything about Solzhenitsyn than the talking points of the propaganda.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  215. hillaire says:
    @annamaria

    lmbeciles of your calibre were a rare thing once and were patiently humoured so as not to excite them and reinforce their delusions…

    Nowadays they are legion.. and just like your good self they all have pink hair.. chips on their shoulders.. social science degrees and a whining screeching accusatory disposition and (to our eternal misfortune) have all been released into the wider world where their terminal ignorance gets the better of them…notably by spitting venom at the perspicacious from behind the bars of their own tiny little minds…

    l must confess..
    The good old days were orders of magnitude more preferable…

    and l’m sure you would agree…

    • Troll: Druid55
    • Replies: @annamaria
  216. @Commentator Mike

    The Germans did not exterminate the Sorbs or do anything like it. Even under the NS they were classed as ethnically German with their own language. Pressure to assimilate does not equate to extermination.

  217. Anonymous[845] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Translation: “I’m an historically illiterate moron who has nothing to offer against the facts so I’ll just dish out ad hominems to the Anonymous comment I am replying to”.

    You got pwned bad, buddy. Accept it and move on.

    • Disagree: Kali
  218. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    So the Mongols were welcomed in by Russians all too happy to live under Mongol rule for centuries?

    They didn’t live under Mongol rule, idiot. They allied with Mongols who left them alone and never took women from them or soldiers, ever. Mongols gave more women to thr Rus princes than the other way around, and protected the Rus state from the Norse subhumans in exchange for animal skins and other mainl symbolic forms of tributary payment. It was a mutually beneficial pact although it really favored Russia.

    That’s pretty much what I was taught in the government schools about the Moorish rule of Spain.

    Yeah well you sound like the type of dipshit who had a real hard time in school. Stubbornly defiant idiots with a learning disability usually do.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @emerging majority
  219. @Seraphim

    That this world-class writer’s book on the Jews remains unavailable in any English language book shop is nearly all that I need to know. The Russians’ complaints against the man seem towards the hollow range.

    Maybe the Putin photo op was 4D chess? These kind of explanations fall pretty flat.

  220. @Irish Savant

    OK, perhaps I used the wrong word, but then I don’t know much of what happened in the historical past and if there could have been physical extermination, like say during the 30 years war. Pressure to assimilate may be characterised as “genocide” according to the UN definition.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  221. For those interested, I came across another Russian author emphasizing the positive impact of the Mongols on Russian civilization: N. S. Trubetzkoy, a linguist and a precursor of Gumiliev. He wrote an article in 1925 about “the Turanian ((ie Tatar)) element in Russian culture” which I could not find in English. But I found his book The Legacy of Genghis Khan and Other Essays on Russia’s Identity, downloadable for free here
    https://vdoc.pub/download/the-legacy-of-genghis-khan-2m7vcjqm0qlg
    His manifesto Europe and Humankind is also interessting: Partial translation here https://sashamaps.net/docs/writings/europe-and-mankind/

    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Seraphim
  222. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    They didn’t live under Mongol rule, idiot.

    how many sniveling little cowards are going to keep popping up with anonymous accounts?

    Of course they ruled, you agenda-driven simpleton.

    Here’s a nice movie Russia made about the period, well the trailer in any case. Where you can get a little glimpse of the love the Russian people had for the Mongols who subjugated them for centuries.

    Now, the last time I had to speak to you clods, I told you to pick a name, so you can be properly humiliated for your ignorant impudence and ignoble impertinence. Especially if you’re going to insist on something as patently idiotic as the Mongol rule of Russia was welcomed, and the Mongols never had any interest in any Russian maidens EVER! Such a thing would have NEVER, EVER happened! The Mongols (and their Tartar offspring from all the Turkish and Slavic women they raped), were a beloved blessing to the Russians, huh? Even as the Mongoloid Tartars raided Russian villages for slaves to sell to the Muslims by the millions, when they weren’t raping them themselves. Indeed, I’ve read that the worst of the notorious Red Army rapists that were unleashed upon Germany and Eastern Europe, were often these Asiatic men from the eastern provinces of the Soviet Union.

    Or, would you have us all believe that the Red Army, (like the Mongol invaders) were never interested any any women or girls, and were simply there to assist and show endless kindness and compassion and benevolence to any and all the people they invaded and conquered?

    There really doesn’t seem to be any depth of idiocy that your ilk will slither to, in your stupid and pointless attempts to rewrite history.

    I don’t say any of that to malign any people or ethnicities. Only pointing out what really happened, for the sake of the truth. The Mongols and Tatars and Turks today are nothing like what they were back then. Today the Mongol people are a wonderful people with a strong heritage, and if they were cruel and ruthless conquerors back in those days, well guess what? So were my people. It’s not a blame game, but a simple respect for honesty and integrity when examining historical events.

    What is important and salient and of existential and critical immediacy, is the one tribe who didn’t learn to be peaceful, and are today an imminent threat to us all. These people are still living in some Darwinian Dark Age, when tribal ascendancy was all the rage. It is these rabid dogs, frothing at Russia today, that are the real concern.

    In some ways, you can compare the subjugation of the West by these ((fiends)), to the subjugation of Russia by the Mongols. In the first place, any subjugation by any foreign peoples is an abomination to a free people. Then there are the endless petty humiliations and genuflecting that goes with it. Just as the tribe forces all would-be puppets to abase themselves at ‘the wall’, in public submission and fealty.

    This is the exact kind of thing the Mongols did to the Russian princes. A constant and relentless procession of genuflecting and bowing, to a poser who deserved the ‘This is Sparta” treatment. Thankfully, that day eventuality came, when the Mongols were tossed out on their arses by a resurgent Russian vigor.

    No harm, no foul. That is the way the game was played back then. But it must be made abundantly clear to that other tribe, that it is no longer acceptable to attempt to subjugate Russia, like they’ve subjected so many others. I’m certain there are a lot of Jewish supremacists and other cretins who will demand that it will be good for Russia to capitulate, and accept homosexual weddings in their Orthodox Churches and transgender kindergartners and vassalage to Israel, but thankfully, Russia is having none of it. (It’s enough just to see what ((they’re)) doing to the West, to point out that nuclear weapons will fly, before we Russians allow you to do that to Russia and Russia’s children).

    [BTW, I’m not even ‘speaking’ to the various anonymous cowards and losers. They’re clearly too far gone for reason, and are just juvenile spit-slinging clods. So they can marinate in their Mongolphile juices and twist in their dishonest bile, all to my amusement ; )

    But I do hope they take the time out to go see that movie. It should be good entertainment for them for a couple hours of respite from their Russia-phobic butt-hurt.

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Replies: @Slav
  223. @Anon

    Anon259

    “Norse subhumans”. My, my what brilliant repartee. As you are posting this in the English language, perhaps you ought to consider the origins of that language.

    In ca 1943 the Norwegian government in exile, produced a stamp featuring a Norse destroyer named the “Sleipnir”. Text on that stamp was in Norwegian: “Vi Vil Vin”. (we will win). Over the centuries, the English language went through a number of accretions and mutations. However the orthography and grammar is based primarily on the “Gamle Norsk” (Old Norse). “Kan Du dette forstor?” (can you understand that?)

    Switching to the Germanic branch of the Nordic languages, one simple word describes you. “Aus das Deutsch” it is colorfully clear: “Dumkopf”.

    As idiots go, you are a prima facie examplar.

    • Agree: Rurik
  224. @Commentator Mike

    The best description of the Sorbs, the Borussians, the Kashubians, the Wends, the Old Prussians and other smallish Slavic tribal groupings, would hardly be genocide. Absorbtion is the word.

    I have known “German” Americans with surnames such as Teslow, Nienow and Turnow, all of which names indicate Slavic origins quite similar to “Ov” and “Off” amongst the Eastern Slavics and “Ovitch” and “ich” amongst the Southern ones. It’s patronymic….meaning is simply “son of”.

    Another twist: Years ago, the executive editor under whom I labored as a wordsmith was a gentleman name of Wisniewski, an archetypical Polish name, as was his personal identification. Twice now, I’ve read of Germans with that exact same surname. What that suggests to me is the logical conclusion that some of those small Slavic tribes were assimilated into the German culture, while others (with identical monickers, mind you) ultimately identified as Polish. Thus, we can assume that both the Germans and the Poles were larger and quite absorptive cultures.

    The same pattern can be observed in the British Isles. Does anyone in Scotland today speak Pictish? Not quite hardly, they were absorbed culturally and linguistically by the Celtic Irish who moved into Scotland and whose language and culture ultimately prevailed. A reversal occurred in the northern and northeastern sections of England, where Viking settlers, primarily from Denmark and secondly from Norway, absorbed the native Celtic speaking population.

    That tendency was evidently never practiced by the Germanic Saxons, who along with Danish Jutes and Angles, as well as Frisians from the eastern fringes of the North Sea, settled the more southerly portions of England. To this day, in parts of the Scots Highlands and throughout most of Ireland, the term “Sassenach” is almost spit out by those folks. Reason? Apparently, instead of absorbing the Celtic population, those Germanics drove them out of their controlled areas in the island of Britain, excepting for the Welsh and the Cornish, who lived in rather mountainous regions with generally poor soils. The Germanics did not covet those lands, leaving those folks in situ.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  225. Rurik says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    His manifesto Europe and Humankind is also interessting

    Is a society based on cannibalism = equal to a society based on and aspiring to the intrinsic value and God-ordained equality of all men and women as equals under the law?

    If you were the captain of a seventeenth century ship that arrived at a remote island somewhere in the Pacific, and you encountered two societies, one tribe that practiced cannibalism, and the other tribe of fishermen and farmers who were on the former’s menu, would you intervene? And put an end to the practice, or consider cannibalism as just one more cultural expression and way of life equal to all others?

    I just added women as equals under the law, because it used to be taken for granted when you said ‘mankind, or whatnot, but I figured I’d add it just for the record.

    And then something occurred to me, when you read his thesis, what one wonders, is his view of the respective treatment of women, in all those societies he heralds as utterly equal to all others.

    In the West, women are treated as equals. In many primitive societies, women are treated like property. Would it be chauvinistic to make a judgement call about that?

    From the beginning of time, humans practiced slavery, until the West put an end to it. But it still lingers in certain parts of the world. Would it be culturally chauvinistic to make a judgment call about those societies still practicing slavery. Would it be presumptuous of me to say the world is better off without slavery or cannibalism or treating women as property, or mass human sacrifice as a religions rite?

    Are not putting an end to slavery, and cannibalism and women as property, something to aspire to?

    We were all shown images of ISIS jihadists torturing men and boys before executing them, often cutting off their heads. They set men on fire who they considered infidels. In my own heart, I condemned their actions as barbaric and heinous, just as I abhor and vociferously condemn the way the Palestinians are treated. Is that wrong and culturally chauvinistic of me to do so?

    Is even suggesting, that such things are misguided and even immoral, at some level, just more evidence of a preening mentality of cultural chauvinism and cosmopolitanism and pretentiousness?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  226. @Rurik

    Those ISIS jihadis were probably encouraged by their Western intelligence handlers. The Brits encouraged the head hunters of Borneo against the Japanese and paid them for each head of a Jap they brought. And the Japs turned to cannibalism eating their Indian POWs. I suppose it’s good to have principles but there are no absolutes. And more non-combatants have been killed in wars than in human sacrifices by those societies that practice it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Arthur MacBride
  227. Slav says:
    @Rurik

    “Here’s a nice movie Russia made about the period, well the trailer in any case. Where you can get a little glimpse of the love the Russian people had for the Mongols who subjugated them for centuries.”

    I have seen that movie, it doesn’t have anti-Mongol message. It is more like a Russian Marco Polo story.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  228. Slav says:
    @Irish Savant

    Forced assimilation is a form of extermination.

  229. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Those ISIS jihadis were probably encouraged by their Western intelligence handlers.

    Western intelligence handlers who are 100% under the thrall of a stone age, Middle Eastern genocidal regime, whose values and morality are the equivalent of your typical lizard.

    Talmudists make cannibals look like saints, by comparison.

    The West is exemplified by an aspiration to free the human spirit from the bonds of ignorance. It isn’t for everybody, and no one should be compelled to join. I agree with that part. And obviously, it isn’t without its past sins.

    But the aspirations that led to The Enlightenment and Renaissance and Magna Carta and Bill of Rights, were not folly, in my humble opinion, but of merit. At least for those whom such things are of value. Like I said, it’s not for everybody.

    Sadly, today those values, (as you point out) are being systematically dismantled as anathema to the ruling regime in the West today. But that doesn’t mean those (Western) values (like freedom and fair play) are intrinsically nefarious. They’re just dormant, as the fiend wields its Satanic reign over the beleaguered and currently profaned West.

    If you were to consider a nation that isn’t under the thrall of the fiend, and generally (at least insofar as it can be neutral), follows its own destiny, without malice or covetousness for any.. it would be a nation like Switzerland, or Iceland, for instance. Whose motto seems to be live and let live.

    If I were a Swiss, and made a judgement call about the current imposed culture of the U.S., as an immoral murderous goon on the world’s stage, menacing and slaughtering its way across entire swaths of the planet, would that be cultural chauvinism on my part? Or does it only apply when you’re pooh-poohing a relatively primitive society?

    Also, for the record, I have personally and often had a lot of admiration for some primitive societies, even feeling a little jealous at times. But not those that practice cannibalism, or other practices I find off-putting, for some reason.

    If I could live like an American Indian, somewhere on the coast of Georgia, for instance, fishing and hunting in a pristine environment, with crystal clear lakes and streams and flora and fauna galore, and loving my wives and family, and participating in the affairs of the tribe, in a primitive lifestyle, without taxes or politicians, it would seem to me idyllic. Provided of course there wasn’t a rival tribe tying to torture and kill me and enslave (or worse) my family.

    There always has to be a snake in the garden, I guess.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  230. This story is crooked. It is fact that some 100 Iewes came from Persia, rest were million Khazars who converted to judaism.

    So after the invention of the new word “Jews” in the 18th century, of these European “Jews” 91 to 94% are KHAZARS

  231. Rurik says:
    @Slav

    I read that some Russian Tartars were critical of the movie because of some of the characterizations.

    And Marco Polo was one of my favorite books when I was young. I always wanted to live like that, and travel everywhere. Still do.

    My only point is that being ruled by others sucks. Whether it’s European colonizers ruling over people in Africa or Asia or South America, or Moors ruling over the Spanish, or Mongols ruling over Russians and others. A lot of people romanticize the Ottoman Empire as beneficent and even glorious. And maybe it was, for some people. But it was never good for Europeans to be ruled by foreigners. Any more than Africans want Europeans ruling over them.

    In all cases, as far as I’m concerned, self-determination is the way to go.

    What I don’t understand is why that perspective is so rare. People seem to feel as though people need to be ruled, and then it’s just a matter of whom should rule whom.

    For me, it’s nobody, thankyouverymuch. In either case. I have no desire to rule anyone, and I’d impale anyone (and watch them twitch) who presumed to rule me.

    That should be the default position of all people, I would think.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Slav
    , @Druid55
  232. @Commentator Mike

    “Those ISIS jihadis …”

    Interesting when those US mercenaries captured, tortured and killed two Russian soldiers in Syria via an informer.
    Wagner tracked and captured the informer, then the ISIS.
    There is a vdo. It is not pretty.
    Life for the US proxies ended being strung up by the ankles, doused in petrol and set on fire after feet/hands smashed with a sledgehammer.

    Wagner paid them in their own coin.
    What they did to the two Russians.

    Learn the lesson, whoever is wise.

  233. annamaria says:
    @hillaire

    You forgot to confess about your Talmudic upbringing.
    By the way, you’re verbose like an old woman.

    • Replies: @hillaire
  234. @Folkvangr

    Persian merchants touring Khazaria one century after conversion of Khazaria people to judaism from phallus adoring religion wrote into chronicles this:

    It is interesant that only one hundred years after conversion ALL Khazaria people now practice judaism.

    So 91 to 94% of today “Jews” are Khazars, rest are Sephardim, Falash etc.

  235. Slav says:
    @Rurik

    But the movie doesn’t show Mongols as bad or uncivilized people, if you actually watch it.

    “And Marco Polo was one of my favorite books when I was young. I always wanted to live like that, and travel everywhere. Still do.”

    Ok, I am glad I never had this desire, makes it easier staying unvaxed. Hopefully, I will never have to leave my country. What is interesting I find settled people like myself having more respect towards different cultures than the nomadic rootless cosmopolitans.

    Btw, the main take from Marco Polo is the Mongols, not only the Chinese, were pretty advanced.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  236. @Rurik

    The grass is always greener. As much as you taunt and hate the Zionist, you maybe wishing for them someday. Just saying.

    • LOL: Druid55
  237. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    A useful repost: “America’s Neo-Nazi bedfellows in Ukraine are latest in a long line of odious allies Washington has used against Russia” https://www.rt.com/news/566262-americas-nazi-collaborators/

    The piquant thing about the Nazification of Ukraine is that the Nazification was done by American Ziocons (Neo-conservative Jews). The US Jewish community is conveniently silent about the shameful role of Nuland-Kagan, Sullivan, Gershman, Sherman, Price, and the whole Kagans’ clan in the Nazification. In 2014, Nuland-Kagan established special relationships with the founders of the Ukrainian Nazi Party, Tyahnibock and Parubyj. Not a peep from the 9000 Jewish American organizations and the 37 Jewish members of the US Congress. Actually, the Jewish congresspeople are wholeheartedly for weaponizing the self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine. Jewish Russophobia has no limits.

    So much for “hitler & nazi” quetching.

    Another repost: “Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has suggested that Washington may continue to punish Moscow even after the conflict ends”

    So Mrs. Yellen is in love with Nazis. “Yellen was born on August 13, 1946, to a family of Polish Jewish ancestry.” Is it not sweet to spit on the graves of victims of WWII? The spitting has become a specialty of American Ziocons.

    • Replies: @Druid55
  238. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Thanks for opening this unresearched topic; we will discuss this in the future, but only a short preview. To reiterate the fact established here at unz (Lauren contributed a lot) that German(ic) were NOT Goths. To give credit to all Germans here that no one complained, not even nutzi, fake-Gothic and fake-Aryan CY lady. As payback, I will explain why Serbs gave them the name ‘German’, which was adopted in English.

    We should start with modern Germany being a Serbian indigenous land before Asian (future) Germans came to Europe. Serbs founded and named almost all settlements (Berlin, Dresden, Leipzig, Brandenburg, etc). Serbs had their principalities in the Baltic (Pomerania is a Serbian word). I will skip the long history of fighting between Germans and Serbs, especially after the Christian church split. Serbs were subjected to genocide and the destruction of their identity.

    This situation was even worse than under the Ottomans. They did not enforce their language (Serbian was one of their diplomatic languages and a dominant language in the army). The religious freedom was reasonable (the Ottoman prime minister, a janissary who remembered his Serbian roots, built the church, which is now a patriarchal church in Kosovo). However, the fact is also that the Ottoman economy was non-existent and that on a couple of occasions after the Serbian uprising, they killed all Serbs they could find and were on the edge of extinction. TBC.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
    , @Commentator Mike
  239. Odyssey says:
    @Odyssey

    Germans prohibited the Serbian language (Prussians spoke Serbian until 200 years ago when it was forbidden by law), prohibited Serbs from wearing shoes (they had to carry wooden shoes), prohibited marriages to people who spoke Serbian, etc. Before the ww2, after all these genocides and conversions, there were still 500K Serbs immediately after the war, and now, hardly 60K.

    The paradox is that an ethnic Serb unified Germany (Bismarck), founded the Germans Academy of Science (Leibnitz), founded the Protestant church (Luther), and the empress Katherine was a Serb, too. Serbs gave Germans their ‘typical’ look (e.g. Prussians), and we can recognise Serbian genes by watching East German sportsmen, who were the best in the world. Berliners still remember Serbian nobility before the Germans’ arrival. Some of these old nobilities with Serbian roots, survived up to today – the House of Mecklenburg (founded by Niklot in 1160) ruled up to 1918 as the House of Hohenzollern (1061-1918).

    In the 19c Serbs emigrated to US and Australia. Their centre in the US is the town of Serbin, Texas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hohenzollern
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbin,_Texas

    • Thanks: annamaria
  240. Druid55 says:
    @Rurik

    You should consider reading Ibn Battuta

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @Slav
  241. Druid55 says:
    @annamaria

    This is exactly why it’s all Jews, not just a few. They’re ultimately with their tribalists no matter what.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  242. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Prince Nikolai Sergeevich Trubetskoi is one of the founders of the “Eurasianist doctrine”, together with a group of Russian émigrés in Bulgaria in 1920 among whom Peter Struve, political economist, philosopher, historian who evolved from Marxism to liberal and anti-Communist, Father Georgii
    Vasilievich Florovski, the Church historian and theologian, and Prince Andrei Aleksandrovich Lieven, a poet and eventually an Orthodox priest and even agents of the Soviet Government. A rather eclectic group in their political and cultural orientations. Its first goal was to find answers as to the causes and outcomes of the Russian Revolution and Civil War. It was mainly a “reaction” to the dislocations produced by the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Civil War, and the remaking of the Russian imperial state as a socialist federation of nations. From the beginning it displayed a range of interests, ideas, and intellectual lineages so different that one cannot speak of a unitary ‘doctrine’ but of several Eurasianist streams of thought. For all of them Orthodoxy was central, either positively or negatively.
    But whereas for the Russians ‘Eurasianism’ was an objective inquiry into the historical, economic, social, cultural, political relations of Russia with ‘Asia’ (resulted from the Eastward expansion of Russia and integration of various populations into the Russian Empire) and the ever-aggressive Catholic West, for the ‘West’ it represented just another (mis)step on the eternal Russians’ search for ‘their identity’. For the ‘West’ Russian history is not the history of a people and his state, religion and civilization, but just a collection of ‘myths’ meant to justify Muscovite ‘despotism’. One couldn’t fail to see at work this mentality in the present conflict in ‘Ukraine’.

  243. @Seraphim

    All the major threats facing humanity eg ecological collapse, rampant militarism, WMD, particularly bio-weapons, the economic implosion of capitalism etc can only be cured through global co-operation. The deadliest threat to humanity is the West, and its belligerence, arrogance and destructiveness.

  244. @Druid55

    Garbage. Many, many Jews reject Judaic arrogance and Zionazi belligerence. They are the ones abused by the Judeofascists and Zionazis as ‘self-hating Jews’ and even ‘antisemites’. Blaming ALL Jews simply because they are Jews is detestable, plays into the hands of the worst of the Jews, and does not encourage Jews with a human conscience from joining the likes of B’tselem, Gush Shalom and Jewish Voice for Labour in the UK.

    • Agree: Slav, IreneAthena
  245. @Fran Taubman

    Why would anyone ‘wish’ for a group of racist, terrorist, fascist, land-stealing colonisers and child-murderers? One might as well have wished for the German Nazis in the 30s, as many Zionazis did, under the unmentionable Haavara Agreement. I imagine that you would have been one.

  246. @Seraphim

    Thanks. I am now reading Trubetskoi’s “The legacy of Genghis Khan” and find it one of the most profound analysis of Russian history and identity I have read so far. I have started studying everything I can find on Russian political philosophy, which is how I came across Gumilev. Not so many things are translated in English or French, unfortunately. So far, I have been able to get some understanding of Nicholai Danilevsky, Alexis Khomiakov (who wrote some letters in French), Constantin Leontiev, and of course Nicolas Berdiaev, who is fully translated in French (perhaps even wrote in French). It is all very enlightening and inspiring, and helpful for understanding what Putin is trying to do (although I have yet to find some book on Putin’s inspiration in this tradition). I’ll see if I can get some information about the other Eurasianists you mention.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  247. @Odyssey

    Yeah, what happened to the Prussians? A great militaristic nation completely erased. I guess they say it was just absorbed by Germany. Also, there must have been mass murders of the Protestant Sorbs by the Catholics during the 30 years war, like at Magdeburg. You blame the Croats for the burning of people inside Magdeburg cathedral. They seem to have a propensity for killing people inside churches, like they did to the southern Serbs centuries later at Glina.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glina_massacres

    • Replies: @gT
  248. @Odyssey

    Yes, seems like German integration, assimilation and Germanisation of Sorbs and other Slavs proceeds now as some kind of quiet, silent genocide. But I think they will be less successful in using these methods on the newly arrived Muslims.

  249. gT says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Prussia created Germany, only Prussia was strong enough to unite all the various smaller German principalities. So Prussia now exists as Germany. Germany’s military tradition comes from Prussia. There would be no Germany without Prussia. Prussia was always the eastern most German area and the biggest German area, and Prussia was always mainly Germanized Slavs, the King of Prussia became the German emperor.

    • Agree: Odyssey
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  250. @Odyssey

    You are correct in referring to Serbs not Sorbs. If you remember some time ago I showed an old German map showing Serbia, not Sorbia, in Germany, so this term “Sorb” must be a more recent development. But as the original is Srb it doesn’t matter much which vowel is used.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  251. Rurik says:
    @Slav

    I find settled people like myself having more respect towards different cultures than the nomadic rootless cosmopolitans.

    Well, I would suggest that there is a big difference between the “rootless cosmopolitans” vs. the wayfarers who love to travel and experience unusual places and cultures and peoples.

    Sort of the difference between the ‘cosmopolitan’ who wants to assimilate every culture into the great whole, vs. the traveler who loves the strange and mysterious.

    the main take from Marco Polo is the Mongols, not only the Chinese, were pretty advanced.

    my take was that the world is full of astounding marvels and fascinating cultures and peoples and ways of life, that the more provincial will never experience, and we only have one life to see and experience as much of it as we’re inclined.

    I don’t pooh-pooh those who love their hometowns and have no desire to travel. But I doubt that as a group they’re more respectful of other cultures and people than travelers.

    “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.”

    ~ Mark Twain

    another traveler’s perspective, (that I agree with)

    http://watsonwanders.com/tips-quips/2017/11/14/traveling-is-the-antidote-to-ignorance

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  252. Rurik says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There always has to be a snake in the garden, I guess.

    Fran Taubman says:

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  253. Slav says:
    @Druid55

    Ibn Battuta’s travel story is a fiction based on accounts of other travelers.

    I can understand value of long travels in the middle ages as it was accompanied with dangers.

    I don’t understand the value of that in the age of jet aircraft. What kind of achievement? Boasting about how many places you visited only tells you have no better way of spending time and money.

  254. @Rurik

    Just a word for Fran.

    Actually a picture, worth a 1 000 words (at least).

    https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/kqVp1ELfiQIh

    • Thanks: Rurik
  255. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Do remember. There are few similar forms, e.g. Greek Zorba (George Serb), empress Catherine von Zerbst, Zorben, etc. All come with vowels what means that they are younger languages. ‘Srb’ (and ‘Srbija’) is the oldest form with consonants only what means that it is closer to the pra-language. Even Russian, which is the second oldest Serbian language derivative (after Sanskrit), has ‘serb’ and is very soft. While in Serbian, the letter Ч (i.e. Č) is pronounced like in CHarles, Russians pronounce this as in Italian – Ciao. That is a ‘quick and clean’ methodology to establish if the language is old or not.

    Btw, Vandals (Wends) were a Serbian tribe, too (one of 3 Swedish crowns symbolizes them), not Germanic as wiki says. I haven’t studied but maybe their early move to Spain (they gave name to [V]Andalusia) and after to island Djerba, Tunisia was after very early push from (future) Germans. They are known for the sack of Rome but, in fact, they had very high culture, developed architecture, buildings, poetry, music and ruled in the Mediterranean.

    The paradox is that another imperial oriented Serb (Justinian) sent his Serb general (Belisarius, Velizar) to destroy their kingdom and include them into Roman Empire. Wiki mentioned my name in this context:

    “Legend has it that Djerba was the island of the lotus-eaters[1][4] where Odysseus was stranded on his voyage through the Mediterranean Sea. Strabo writes that there was an altar of Odysseus.[8]”

    Bellow is a Serbian museum in Germany. Germans recognised the falsifications of their historical school, published maps with original Serbian, pre-German, toponyms, opened museum but it seems they run out of gas and the museum is now closed.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/the-sorbische-museum.html?sortBy=relevant

  256. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I am very diffident about Berdiaev. Even Trubetskoi wrote about him: “I know Berdiaev. He appears to me first of all as a light-minded person. A while ago he told me that Christianity is outdated and needs a female deity”. Ditto about Solovyov, Bulgakov, Florenski, the “Silver Age” and about ”L’Idée russe”, ”Russian messianism”, “Third Rome”. I know that the French have a particular fondness for them, perhaps because of the influence of French symbolism on the symbolism of the ‘Silver Age’ (and of the semi-subterranean influence of Freemasonry, Martinism, Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, ‘Staroverya’) and their ‘engoument’ for the ”Ballets russes” and ‘Avangardism’. Their ideas were actually a ‘Western’ projection on Russian realities. Not a few of them were Catholics, Greek-Catholics or on the way to become Catholics.
    You should read Fr. Georges Florovski’s “Ways of Russian theology”, and more of Konstantin Leontiev, the ‘Byzantinists’.

  257. Seraphim says:
    @Seraphim

    For a more historical approach of Russia’s relations with Byzantium and with the Mongols and their respective impact on Russian polity, society, culture (and political culture) Dimitry Obolenski’s “The Byzantine Commonwealth” is mandatory reading.
    I would recommend also the book of Dominic Lieven “Russia against Napoleon. The battle for Europe, 1807 to 1814”. It adumbrates the present situation and its misrepresentation by ‘Europe’.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @Rurik
  258. @Slav

    Ibn Battuta’s travel story is a fiction based on accounts of other travelers

    .

    Isn’t it the same with Marco Polo?

  259. Rurik says:
    @Seraphim

    It adumbrates the present situation and its misrepresentation by ‘Europe’.

    many of us are not scholars of Byzantium, and are too distracted making a living and getting by, to delve too deeply into that particular branch of knowledge and study.

    My admittedly benighted understanding of those times were that for centuries, following the fall of Rome, more or less absolute power in was held between the monarchs and priests of Europe, extending into Russia, as together they made common cause to keep the people under the thrall of of their ‘divinely ordained’ rule, as absolute masters of the lands and peoples, who were basically their feudal serfs. That is when they weren’t slaughtering each other seeking to enlarge their share of the feudal gelt. With the Ottomans obsessed with rapine and plunder to the north and west, with the Vikings doing their bit to spread culture and vibrancy and the Mongols with their fun time of rapine and plunder to the east.

    It was The Enlightenment that eventually brought an end to the state of Europe as mass slaves to the priests and monarchs. Without which, we’d all still be there today. Building cathedrals, (the best and most noble heritage from that era), and bowing and scraping and fighting in the assorted wars of the lords and priests.

    How, I ask, am I in error about all of that, and how is it that the present situation is being misrepresented by ‘Europe’?

    I realize one can write endless tomes about Byzantium, or the Vikings or Mongols or Ottomans. Their respective exploits and mirths and melancholies could fill endless libraries. But this is a comment section, so I’m striving for rhetorical thrift.

    Is it your impression, that the Mongol period of Russia, from around the middle of the thirteenth century to the end of the fifteenth, the people of Russia were blessed to be so ruled? And should be grateful for the all the benefits the Mongols and Tartars have graced them with over the centuries?

    I’ve heard similar things about Stalin, and how he had to break a few eggs to make the Soviet omelet, so to speak. But industrialization was eventually a great boon for Russia. Is how the narrative goes.

    It’s been suggested that the Christians of Spain, were basically grunting in the mud, they were so primitive until the Moors civilized them. Is that sort of what the Mongols did for the Russians?

  260. hillaire says:
    @annamaria

    l’m an Englishman idiot..a limey..an anglo saxon….a sassenach..a briton.

    And you are an hysterical imbecile that ghosts internet comment sections accusing everyone you disagree with of being a ‘jew’…which in itself is questionable and pathetic…

    Any idiot can copy pasta nonsense and hurl epithets..for example..l could say you are ‘jew’ tranny sat in the fucking ‘bowels’ of a Langley call centre scratching its genital scars and blowing bubbles at the fucking moon and dreaming of benny nuts to you too dancing the fucking fandango in Noo Yoyk..

    See.. it’s easy..even for an imbecile of your calibre..

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @rabbit redux
  261. @Rurik

    Mr. R your comments in this thread have been only very very slightly imperfect. But I believe your reading on this item is completely different to my own. The way I would summarize the argument is: albeit they were all time greats at winning battles, the Mongols were out of their depth when it came to governing. They could barely keep control for a short time in Mesopotamia where all the local power was concentrated along the banks of the Euphrates and Tigris. The idea that they could govern a dispersed loose community of clans like Russia was a non-starter and basically it never happened.

    (I am not an expert!)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  262. @Laurent Guyénot

    Russians call them Tatars, so there is no distinction here

    C’est comme appeler les francs les français. Tatar est une identité plus large.

    La « Tartarie moscovite » à l’ouest6 voir aussi Kalmoukie.
    La « Tartarie russe » ou « Russie asiatique », correspondant aujourd’hui à la Sibérie7.
    La « Tartarie de Youpi », italien : « Tartari di Yupi », réunissant en 1640, les îles de Sakhaline et l’actuelle île d’Hokkaido, séparé d’Honshu par le détroit de Dzungar (stretto di Züngar, détroit de Tsugaru), en référence à une ville de Züngar (aujourd’hui Tsugaru)8.
    La « Tartarie chinoise », incluant à l’est, la Dzoungarie (appelé par les Anglais Turkestan oriental au xixe siècle et aujourd’hui Xinjiang), la Mongolie, la Mandchourie, Sakhaline, l’actuelle province de Qinghai (ou Kokonor), le Tibet, et le petit Tibet (ou Ladakh), inclus dans l’Empire Chinois9,10,11 ;

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarie

    Grattez le Russe et vous trouverez le Tartare

    C’est une vision étroite. Les nomades eurasiens avaient une relation similaire avec les Chinois et les Persans, comme cela avait été le cas avec les Russes. Mais vous ne diriez pas “Grattez le Chinois et vous trouverez le Tartare.”

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  263. Rurik says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    have been only very very slightly imperfect.

    thanks, I’ll take that all day long ; )

    they could govern a dispersed loose community of clans like Russia was a non-starter and basically it never happened.

    I think it’s pretty well established that the Golden Horde (Mongol rule) subjugated parts of Asia and Russia, even up to Hungary during the 13th though 15th centuries. What is in dispute, apparently, is the degree of gratitude modern Russians and other should have for that period. The claim is that the Mongols provided Russia with a kind of organization by making vassals out of the Russian princes, and by doing to, it taught them how to organize a modern state, or some such thing.

    Also, that the Tartars, (a word sometimes used for the Mongols, because it refers to people from Tartarus – Hell), who were considered demons by the people they conquered. The Tartars are sort of what the Mongols left behind as a genetic reminder of their reign over the region. Tartar raiders captured and sold into slavery to the Ottomans, millions of Russian men, women and children over the centuries. One can only imagine their hapless fate.

    But the debate now concerns the question of whether or not Russians (and I suppose Persians and Iraqis and other Asians and all the other subjugated peoples) should be grateful to the Mongols for their ‘beneficial’ legacy. Which as I’ve mentioned, I’ve heard the same thing said about the Moorish subjugation of Spain, as a wonderful blessing, both in architecture and presumably the genetic “blessings”.

    I suppose it’s sort of like telling the Amerindian that he is blessed by whitey coming here, because he has the white man’s law and order and money.

    But I wonder if deep in his heart, he feels all that grateful and blessed.

    • Replies: @Bankotsu
  264. annamaria says:
    @hillaire

    You are not of noble Saxon stock. The kind of language you use betrays an Israeli. Don’t even bother to refute this fact.

    • Replies: @hillaire
  265. Seraphim says:
    @Rurik

    You are in error because you misunderstood what I was talking about.
    I was recommending the lecture of a book of history of the war of 1812 which put it in its historical and political context describing the policies and strategies of the Russian state in confrontation with ‘Europe’ and dispels the distortions of the French, German, British, American historiography of the period (resulted from an ignorance of Russian history) which had difficulties to swallow the fact that the most formidable war machine that the ‘Enlightened’ Europe had produced was destroyed by a ‘backward, incompetent, ill-equipped’ army, which eventually brought about the fall of Napoleon and the reorganization of Europe. The ‘present situation’ I was referring to is the SMO in Ukraine and its misrepresentation (i.e. blatant lies) by the ‘West’.
    I can hardly understand what gave you the impression that I am under the impression ”that the Mongol period of Russia, from around the middle of the thirteenth century to the end of the fifteenth, the people of Russia were blessed to be so ruled”. I always stressed the primordiality of Byzantine influence in Russian society.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  266. Rurik says:
    @Seraphim

    You are in error because you misunderstood what I was talking about.

    Ok, thank you for clearing that up.

    I can hardly understand what gave you the impression that I am under the impression ”that the Mongol period of Russia,…

    only because of this sentence in the post I was replying to.

    For a more historical approach of Russia’s relations with Byzantium and with the Mongols and their respective impact on Russian polity, society, culture (and political culture) Dimitry Obolenski’s “The Byzantine Commonwealth” is mandatory reading.

    It’s been sort of a theme of this thread, the respective effects of the period of Mongol rule in and on Russia. And the relative characterization of that period as one of beneficence, vs. one of rue. Like for instance, ‘should the Russian people feel grateful for the Tartar influence in Russia? (past and present) Or, not so much?

    I was just wondering how the The Byzantine Commonwealth might have characterized the period, is all. (without having to read it myself, of course ; )

  267. Seraphim says:

    The recommendation to read “The Byzantine Commonwealth” was made to Laurent, who seems to be intent to broaden his knowledge about Russia beyond the highly ideologized narrative (including the benighted marxist/populist ‘understanding’) that passes as knowledge of the ‘Russian World’ for the ‘West’ (unfortunately adopted by many Russians).

    • Replies: @Rurik
  268. Bankotsu says:
    @Rurik

    The claim is that the Mongols provided Russia with a kind of organization by making vassals out of the Russian princes, and by doing to, it taught them how to organize a modern state, or some such thing.

    I think one positive outcome of Mongol rule over Russia was that duchy of Moscow gained in power and prestige under the vassalage rule of the Golden Horde. The Mongols gave the Duchy of Moscow authority to collect taxes of all the Rus Duchies on behalf of the Golden Horde. Moscow thus gained power and even spiritual authority over the rest of the Rus Duchies. Moscow was thus able to play the role that Prussia played in unification of all the Rus duchies into a single powerful empire.

    Before the Mongols, Rus was just a bunch of small weak and backward duchies that were completely unable to form any sort of unified entity and play a larger political role in history.

    As for Byzantine history, a short summary of a few dozen pages can be found here on page 641:

    Weapons Systems and Political Stability

    http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Weapons%20Systems%20and%20Political%20Stability.pdf
    http://www.carrollquigley.net/books.htm

    • Replies: @Rurik
  269. hillaire says:
    @annamaria

    Thanks for the compliment..good to see you ‘jews’ hold us in the high regard we truly deserve for civilizing the world.. We truly are ‘a light unto the nations’…

    after all without the English you would still be selling rags in Poland…or stealing loaves in Sicily..

  270. @Seraphim

    You should read Fr. Georges Florovski’s “Ways of Russian theology”, and more of Konstantin Leontiev, the ‘Byzantinists’.

    I will, thanks.

  271. @hillaire

    You don’t sound Jewish at all.

  272. @Slav

    Shakespeare was not written by Shakespeare but by someone else with the same name.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  273. Rurik says:
    @Seraphim

    to broaden his knowledge about Russia beyond the highly ideologized narrative (including the benighted marxist/populist ‘understanding’) that passes as knowledge of the ‘Russian World’ for the ‘West’ (unfortunately adopted by many Russians).

    Which of course is laudable, and to many, a pleasure in and of itself.

    I’m not a scholar, but have taken a layman’s interest in Russia and it’s history.

    But these days, I’m more concerned about the war going on as I write this. A war I consider has been forced upon Russia by America’s neocons and those to whom they answer; Rothschild and his ilk.

    The principle underlying rift that the neocons are cynically exploiting to foment war, are the lingering hostilities between Russia and the former Soviet satellite states. Some of that hostility is due to the Bolshevik atrocities committed by genocidal psychopaths like Lazar Kaganovitch, which, unlike the Mongol period, many people alive today know people who lost loved ones to the Holodomor. Then there is the war itself, and how many Eastern Europeans fought on the side of Germany, (perhaps having lost loved ones to the murderous Bolshevik/Soviets), and to this day, Russia still would malign those heroic men, as traitors. Can you imagine anything so twisted and vile, as declaring a man fighting against the Bolsheviks who murdered his family, as a traitor?

    Then, of course there is the legacy of the Red Army as “liberators”, when they weren’t. (to say the least!) And the memorials to the Red Army and Soviet genocidal fiends that continue to profane the soil of Eastern Europe, but Russia demands (insanely) that Eastern Europe honor those abominations upon their lands, to the murderers and rapists who so cruelly tormented their people.

    These are the lingering wounds that the neocons are picking at, and opening up, in order to force these conflicting views of history into a hot conflict, that the neocons can exploit.

    I’m staunchly on Russia’s side today, as I see the nefarious and treacherous intrigues and aims of the neocons all too clearly. But not too many Poles or Balts or Ukrainians are aware of what’s really going on. All they know is that Russia continues to be bellicose vis-a-vis the terrors and horrors of the Soviet period and legacy, (that untold millions of Russians also suffered). And that makes them vulnerable to the exploits of the neocons – who, ironically (or not so ironically) are the heirs of the genocidal Bolsheviks, who murdered so many Russians and Eastern Europeans in the last century. Kagonovich = Kagan / Nuland

    I’m aware that is somewhat off topic on this thread about the respective effects of the Mongols and Tartars on historic Russia, but because this article and thread are nominally about Russia, and because Russia is embroiled in a tragic war as I write this, and because much of the reasons for the current war, are due to ignorance and neocon treachery, I figured I’d take the opportunity to write a perspective that I hope one day leads to a wider understanding of the people over there’s grievances. Of Russians and Ukrainians and Poles, and others. I don’t want them killing each other, as tools of their mutual and eternal enemies. Russian’s and Ukrainian’s ties go back to my Unz handle Rurik’s era, (which is why I picked it, as a subtle reminder that these people all have a common heritage).

    The main weapon the neocons are using to foment hatred and war and slaughter and suffering, is ignorance. I’m convinced that if we can defeat ignorance, then all the absurd pretexts for war, will fall away like so many ‘wisps of tow’.

    • Thanks: Kali
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  274. Rurik says:
    @Bankotsu

    I think one positive outcome of Mongol rule over Russia was that duchy of Moscow gained in power and prestige under the vassalage rule of the Golden Horde.

    Ok, but it seems to me there is a manifest contradiction in (especially) my emboldened part of that sentence.

    Perhaps sort of like the “prestige” Biden enjoys today as a vassal and puppet of the Deepstate fiends.
    He holds the title of potus, but is there even one person on this planet that has even a shred of respect for the man? Remember when he couldn’t even get Obama to notice him, and was grabbing at his shoulder, as if trying to say, ‘I’m the president! While everyone ignored him. How is that for prestige?

    Moscow was thus able to play the role that Prussia played in unification of all the Rus duchies into a single powerful empire.

    Before the Mongols, Rus was just a bunch of small weak and backward duchies that were completely unable to form any sort of unified entity and play a larger political role in history.

    I wonder if it was more pleasant to live in a ‘small and weak backward duchy, (even minus the duke or duchess), than in a huge nation-state. Stalin made Russia (and Stalin) stronger by industrializing, but in order to do so, he sent millions of ordinary Russian to an early and cruel death, building his imperial ‘worker’s paradise’ empire. Only the actual workers were ground into dirt, in the process.

    I would give anything for my country to be a small and backward nation like Uruguay or Portugal, than the current behemoth of imperial death and domination menacing the planet. Does playing a “larger political role in history” make the sacrifices in personal liberty, and national spiritual and moral iniquity – worth it?

    When was there ever a large and powerful empire that didn’t abuse its own citizens and other’s well-being? Even as yes, the elites profit from all the wars and abuses.

    As for Byzantine history, a short summary of a few dozen pages can be found here on page 641:

    I read it, and it doesn’t sound far off from my characterization a few comments up, no?

    “.. that for centuries, following the fall of Rome, more or less absolute power in was held between the monarchs and priests of Europe, extending into Russia, as together they made common cause to keep the people under the thrall of of their ‘divinely ordained’ rule, as absolute masters of the lands and peoples, who were basically their feudal serfs.”

    • Agree: Kali
  275. @Irish Savant

    Nevertheless, it is easier to be a Slav living together with other Slavs. For this reason, “German” Sorbs were the greatest supporters of the Polish-Czechoslovak union which was planned during WWII for the post-war period, and the union which Sorbs wanted to join as a third party.

    In Czechoslovakia, mutual intelligibility between Czechs and Slovaks (now lost in the young generation) was provided (among else) by mandated hours of Slovak-language programs in the national television & radio. This could only work because of the similarity of Czech and Slovak languages. To compare, in Switzerland there are completely separate programs for the French part (Romandie) and the German part of the country.

  276. Seraphim says:
    @rabbit redux

    Shakespeare was Shakespeare. The problem is who wrote his plays and sonnets. All bets are for Sir Francis Bacon, Baron Verulam, 1st Viscount St Alban.

  277. Talking about Jews and alcohol in East Europe, one must not forget the generally positive attitude of peasants towards alcohol as expressed in popular songs. For example, the popular Polish folk song “Oj, chmielu, chmielu” says that “hop makes women from maidens”; yet the song probably comes from pre-Christian times… Already then, inebriation seemed to be indispensable part of relations between sexes, and that despite strong, negative biblical view of alcohol, where it is associated with disaster (Noah) or paganism; oh well, except the rabbis-approved apocryphical Book of Esther and rabbis-mandated feast of Purim… but rabbis HAD TO MANDATE inebriation, peasants didn’t need that at all…

    So no, Jews did not exactly act in the way of dealers of modern drugs. The culture they came into was deeply flawed too (and still is). And basing it on my own experience, alcohol as experience is strongly over-advertised.

  278. Odyssey says:

    I am taking this opportunity, while we’re still here, to suggest something to Lauren who has played a major role in exposing some major historical forgeries. The repeatedly mentioned ‘Byzantium’ in this thread, reminded me of that. It is a big deal that here at unz was revealed that the Goths were not Germans. There are several things related to that forgery. One is the effort of the Germans to portray themselves as the heirs of the Roman Empire, which is untrue. To this end, they invented the false name of Byzantium, which was never used, in order to deprive the ‘eastern half’ of its Roman heritage. It will take some time until this truth finds its place in history textbooks and the ways in which the forgery was done are investigated (false Bible translation and false Gothic language).

    I might suggest Lauren to continue those defalsifications of history where there are several potential threads. One topic could be the false immigration of the so-called Slavs (i.e. Serbs) to the Balkans. In my opinion, this is a cornerstone of the falsifications of European and world history and for which there is not a single proof provided. In fact, the only one mentioned is Porphyrogenite’s work, which was falsified in the 17th century. Dissecting that obvious forgery would reveal the truths about the Western and Eastern Roman Empire, about early Christianity, about the so-called ‘ancient’ Greece, about the Aryans, Alexander, etc. Currently, there is not a single free media outlet in the world that could expose historical falsifications that affect our daily lives, including the situation in Ukraine and the civilizational conflict between the West and Russia.

  279. Seraphim says:
    @Rurik

    You don’t need to be a scholar yourself to form an idea about a given subject (in our case the history of Russia and her place in the world). But you need to acquaint yourself with the scholarly appreciation of the subject (result of comprehensive research of all its aspects, which is the only way to form an objective judgement, especially in politics, formulate realistic policies and apply them, correct past mistakes). You would have understood to what extent the present ‘war’ is a consequence of all the past history of Russia. Emotional responses to challenges are not the best recipe.
    You might have learned that Rurik was in reality the Jutish-Danish prince Rorik of Dorestad, or of Friesland, or of Jutland, a personage of note (choosing for a while a career of piracy and pretender to the Danish throne) in the ‘Viking/Norse’ history. And that he might have had a hand in the great Norman attack on Constantinople in the year 860. The failure of this attack marked the initial phase of the Christianization of Russia.

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  280. @Odyssey

    Most people know that Byzantium is the Eastern Roman Empire. But you may be right that those who tried to replace the term “Roman Empire” with “Byzantium” could have been the ones who claimed to be the Holy Roman Empire, with the Pope’s approval of course.

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  281. @Seraphim

    Oh, right, of course. Bacon wrote: “Out, out, brief candle! Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” And Hamlet’s “instructions to the actors,” and Midsummer Night’s send up of theater critics. Sure. At least some one sees reality as it is. How could a nobody, a mere actor, write Shakespeare. But a Viscount, well, that seems right. To a proper, conventional mind, that is. And Ibn Batuta never went anywhere, the smart money says.

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  282. Seraphim says:
    @rabbit redux

    Well, the ‘conventional minds’ of the researchers of the intellectual revolution induced by the works of Francis Bacon have noticed that the plays of Shakespeare follow a program which fits nicely into the Baconian programs of ‘Instauration Magna’, ‘Advancement of Learning’, ‘Novum Organum’. Education of the masses through entertainment.

  283. @Seraphim

    A not so bright Seraphim.

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  284. Seraphim says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Unfortunately, the term ‘Byzantium/Byzance’ became so entrenched in common parlance that it is hard to avoid it, but it is generally qualified (”Byzantium” is incorrect, it is the Eastern Roman Empire…etc).
    In fact, the real name of the ‘Eastern Roman Empire’ was ‘ἡ Ῥωμανία/Romania’, ἡ Ῥωμαίων Ἀρχή , ἡ Ῥωμαίων Βασιλεία, “the Empire of the Romans,” and its population name was Romani/ Ῥωμαῖοι. They never thought of themselves other than ‘Romani’ and the Empire other than the ‘Roman Empire’ (without qualification). Arabs and Turks called it ‘Rûm’.

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  285. Seraphim says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I was also under the false impression that you are brighter than you are.

  286. @Odyssey

    Thanks for your encouragement, Odyssey. I need to find some time to dig into this subject and follow up on my first millennium revisionism research. Regarding the Goths, I think mainstream scholarly research is moving in the right direction, which is toward serious criticism of the sources. I just came across an article by Walter Goffart, “Jordanes’s ‘Getica’ and the Disputed Authenticity of Gothic Origins from Scandinavia”, online on http://www.jstor.org, which calls into question the credibility of Jordanes’ theory that the Goths came from Scandinavia. He writes:

    “Great efforts have gone into the defense of Gothic origins from Scandinavia. This has been a matter of urgent concern to well-intentioned persons, a way of affirming continuity and identity with a precious part of the supposed past. But Jordanes, Goth though he claimed to be, is not a spokesman for that past. He was, on the contrary, one of the obedient agents of Justinian’s campaign of destruction. For the true end of the Getica was the affirmation that they (and their barbarian cousins) belongs outside, not within, the world of Rome in which they had lived and striven to exist enduringly for close to two centuries. That is the message of exclusion that Constantinople would propagate, via Jordanes and others, including Procopius, so that it might be more secure—even in a barbarous present—in claiming for itself alone the great heritage of imperial and Christian Rome.”

    Jordanes claims to be a Goth, but nothing he writes supports his claim. He doesn’t even know the name of one pre-Christian gothic god! Probably even never interviewed a Goth.
    So yes, there is every reason to consider that Goths were Slavs who had always lived in and around the Balkans , from where they migrated to Italy and Spain.

  287. Rurik says:
    @Seraphim

    You would have understood to what extent the present ‘war’ is a consequence of all the past history of Russia. Emotional responses to challenges are not the best recipe.

    OK, then why so esoteric?

    What do you mean by ‘past history and emotional responses’, vis-a-vis the current situation?

    For what it’s worth, I see Russia’s response to the neocon provocations as the act of the proverbial dog who’s cornered and being menaced, with no where left to turn, except to fight. IOW, ether capitulate [to ((NATO))], or fight.

    So, what am I missing?

    The failure of this attack marked the initial phase of the Christianization of Russia.

    can’t win ’em all

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  288. @Seraphim

    Thanks. Now they have given the name “Romani” to the Gypsies. Constant revisionism and mislabelling at work.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  289. @Laurent Guyénot

    This fellow is an old German linguistics PhD and has a novel examination of the linguistic evidence.

    Unfortunately the genetic evidence is hopelessly polluted by political hacks which makes looking for needles in haystacks of zero reliability.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  290. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks. Intimately connected the “mystery of the Goths” is the mystery of Arianism. The story goes that Constantine the Great, who founded the Christian Roman empire, was baptized by Eusebius of Nicodemia, an Arian Patriarch of Constantinople, who, with Constantine’s approval, sent Ulfila convert the Goths (to Arianism). How can we reconcile this with the other story that Constantine convened and presided the Council of Nicaea, and forced all bishop to sign its Credo under threat of exile? It doesn’t make any sense, and the odds are the the story of the Council of Nicaea, of which no record survive, is a fiction fabricated long after Constantine’s death. In other words: Arianism was the original Christianity. Just a theory that popped up in my mind!

  291. Seraphim says:
    @Rurik

    What’s so ‘esoteric’ in what I said?
    What I meant by the ‘past history’ was that from the very beginning of its existence as a state, Russia was under external as well as internal attacks aiming at its conquest or fragmentation. Attacks history shows that have been thwarted again and again. Russia came on top every time, even after apparently crushing defeats, by its determination in the pursuit of the political objective of maintaining the integrity of the state and protection of its inhabitants (and ‘way of life’, culture, religion), destroying the ability of the enemy to repeat his aggression, by a combination of ‘politics’, diplomacy, armed resistance, resilience of people in face of adversities, willingness to make sacrifices, clear assessment of the available means to implement them, correct assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the adversary, patient preparation for the right moment when it could react with maximum result. That implies skillful leadership working to direct events in a rational fashion (a professional political class which thinks in long terms).
    ‘Emotional responses’ would be acting on impulses. Believing that Russia can lose and giving in to panic.
    I am curious what do you understand by your last quip ”can’t win’em all”?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Rurik
  292. Odyssey says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Thank you, looking forward to reading your future work. Just a few dots on the margins for future research. The most concise contribution is the name which Romans used for Goths – Dacians. So, who were Dacians? Modern Romanians consider them their ancestors. One Romanian guy told me that it is virtually prohibited to study the Dacian language. My explanation is that it would be established that it was the Serbian language, i.e. Getae and Goths, and Dacians are the same people. In addition, the term ‘Slav’ appeared when the word ‘Goths’ was stopped from being used.

    Also, we can see what the situation in Scandinavia was. Who was Beowulf? Who ruled in Scandinavia before the Swedes? In ‘Beowulf’ Sweden is – The Getae. Gothenburg, Gothland (Geatland, Gothenland), etc. Goths and Vandals were parts of the official title of Swedish/Danish kings until 1973. Vandals (>[V]Andalusia) were followers of Arianism and ruled most of the Mediterranean. Justinian (another Serb) was very imperial, crashed the Vandals’ kingdom and included them in the Empire. He also tried to smash the young, independent Serbian state forming on the West R Empire ruins. It is also interesting about Constantine (also a Serb) and the (non)existence of the Council of Nicaea.

    It is little known that the head office of the Christian church was in Sirmium (later in Salona) and that Justinian tried to put the church under his control and created the parallel archiepiscopal church in Thessaloniki under his command, while the original Sirmium diocese (which was the first in the world, founded in 34 AC ) was outside of his control and which survived until 640 AC when was crashed by Avars. Etc, etc.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  293. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The root word is ‘Ruma’ which Serbian tribes gave to the newly established city of Rome. It means ‘place/space for living’. There is also a city 40 km from Belgrade named Ruma. English word ‘room’ came from this ‘ruma’. The Serbian word for a basement is ‘podrum’ (=under room). Later derivations were Romans, Romania, Romani, etc.

  294. @Odyssey

    Getae and Goths, and Dacians are the same people

    In all probability, yes. There still is much mystery about their language, though. According to this Romanian documentary, the Dacians were the original Romans, and their language was the origin of Latin.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
    , @Seraphim
  295. Odyssey says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    That is technically correct. Very important information is presented, and I can hardly find anything that is incorrect. But, the context is not well presented. The Dacians were part of the Thracians, not the other way around. It is avoided to mention that the Dacians have the same genetics as Serbs and it is mentioned similarity with Bulgarians (who are 90%+ genetic Serbs) and Greeks (probably the northern part who are also Hellenized Serbs).

    The Latin language was born under the auspices of the Serbian language. A careful reader can see this by reading Virgilio’s’ Aeneid. If you look for information on Thracian, Dacian, Illyrian, Phrygian, Lydian, Moesian, Dalmatian, (Visi)Gothic and other languages on wiki, you will find everywhere that the language is extinct, but it is not explained how this could happen. It is paradoxical that there is no information about the mother tongue of Justinian or Constantine who were Roman emperors or about the language of the Visigoths who had a kingdom until the 7th century in Spain.

    It is very simple. The pra-language could only have arisen in Vinca because there was no other place during and after the Ice Age. That language has been developing over thousands of years, and those people called themselves ‘srb’, so their language was also Serbian. It has remained in continuity to this day, and in the meantime Sanskrit and, more recently, the Slavic languages evolved from this language. Anthony also said that the key to the solution is in the language.

    So, there is another big task for you, to show that the theory of Indo-European languages is a nonsense and that the term itself is meaningless. I don’t know why those in the video wonder why the Dacians are depicted on the Arch of Constantine. The emperor Galerius was a Dacian, born in eastern Serbia where he built the new city of Felix Romuliana. There are some Roman texts about him that he was unsophisticated, refereeing to his herdsman origins. He was Diocletian’s son-in-law and grew up together with the emperor Licinius, who, together with Constantine, legalized Christianity at the wedding ceremony in Milan where he married Constantine’s sister. They were all Serbs.

    Dacians were one of the Serbian speaking tribes. Romania had a continuity of Dacian language until couple hundreds of years ago when Jesuits (Transylvanian School) introduced their current Esperanto-Romanian language. At that time all Romanian toponyms were Serbian and subsequently they were replaced. There are still 9000 Serbian words in this new Romanian language which remained from previous Dacian (i.e. Serbian) language but video does not talk about this.
    You probably saw that Decebalus has the Phrygian cap that I wrote about earlier and that is present in your text about Mithraism.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  296. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    This video would bring the ire of our friend Odyssey as it upsets his maniacal Pan-Serbism.
    The problem of the origins of Romanian language was defined by the very important Italian linguist Carlo Tagliavini as ”l’intricatissimo problema delle origini del Rumeno…con i suoi aspetti perfino enigmatici”, echoing the formula of the great French historian Ferdinand Lot in his ”La Fin du monde antique et le début du Moyen Age”: ‘Une enigme et un miracle historique: Le peuple roumain’.
    But the origins of the languages and peoples of Europe is no less intricate. The extensive studies of the late Professor Mario Alinei, Italian linguist, professor emeritus at the University of Utrecht, President of ‘Atlas Linguarum Europae’ at UNESCO until 1997, and proponent of the ”Paleolithic Continuity Theory that Indo-European languages originated in Europe during the Upper Paleolithic”, which created an entire school that have brought a ‘change of paradigm’ in the study of ‘Indo-Europeans’.
    His “Origini delle lingue d’Europa, vol. I – La teoria della continuità. Vol. II: Continuità dal Mesolitico all’età del Ferro nelle principali aree etnolinguistiche” represents a synthesis of his research.
    For an overview one should peruse ”THE PALEOLITHIC CONTINUITY PARADIGM
    FOR THE ORIGINS OF INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES” @http://www.continuitas.org/ and follow also the links (like ones that might be of particular interest to you: ”Mediaeval Sophia. Studi e ricerche sui saperi medievali”, ”Centre de Recherche Bretonne et Celtique. Laboratoire pluridisciplinaire de l’Université de Bretagne Occidentale (Brest)”.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  297. Odyssey says:

    I’m not sure you even understood this video. It looks like you didn’t even understand your comment. I saw this video a couple of years ago. First, Laurent confirmed that the Goths, Getae, and Dacians were the same people and asserted they were Slavs. They were proto-Slavs, since that term did not exist then, and we could call them Serbs, how they called themselves at the time of Vinča. I don’t mind, we can also call them Dacians instead, and the language they spoke will be called Dacian. As I have said many times, it was one nation anyway, and genetics confirms it.

    The video nicely shows that the modern Romanian language did not originate from Latin. Laurent knows that neither Spanish nor French originated from Latin. So, at the time of Trajan, the Dacian language was spoken in what is now Romania. That language was replaced a couple of hundred years ago, and the current one was imposed. The activity of the Jesuits is beautifully described in the video. In Serbia, the language did not change, and the Dacian language continued to be spoken there until today.

    Alinei, whom you quote, says precisely that. The oldest language originated in the Balkans, in Vinca. This is actually the mysterious so-called ‘Indo-European’ language that influenced the formation of other European and many Asian languages. There is a continuity of this language from the Paleolithic up to today. From a specific moment in time, this Vinca language can be called the Dacian language (I can say exactly from which moment). At 34.24 min in the video, you can see the territory where the Thracians lived (‘the largest nation in the world after the Indians’), although it is often implied in the video that they lived only in modern Romania. The Thracian, i.e., the Dacian language, was spoken in that territory. We still can find Dacian toponyms all over that territory (including India, Tibet, Xinjiang, etc). As I said, in Romania, the Dacian toponyms were changed by the order of the Jesuits.

    To summarize – the Dacian language is the oldest European language that originated in Vinca. Serbs and Romanians are genetically very similar and are descendants of the Dacians (Goths, Getas) who originated in Vinča. The Dacian language, thousands of years old, is still spoken by Serbs in continuity from Vinca up to today. The Sanskrit and other Slavic languages evolved from the Dacian language. But, Romanians speak neither Latin nor Dacian, but Jesuitic language. Why? Because they were needed as canon fodder to fight under Stalingrad, where 160K Romanians died while attacking their genetic brothers. Because it is now again the time when it is expected Romanians to be again cannon fodder in Ukraine, Russia or wherever is needed.

  298. @Seraphim

    Have you seen this Russian documentary on the fall of Byzantium?

    The fall of an empire—the Lesson of Byzantium

    There are interesting parallels to what is going on in Russia in recent decades, and in the West too. The video identifies various factors that led to the decline of Byzantium: power of the oligarchs, growing private armies, corruption, decadence, demographic problems due to immigration and low birth rates, growing influence of the Vatican, growth of nationalism and separatism, hostility of the West which sacked and plundered Constantinople, etc. with the Ottomans just adding the final touches. However, I don’t think it mentions the Jews even once by name or their role in all this.

  299. @Commentator Mike

    Sorry, it does mention Jewish money en passant. But I expected more about their treachery.

  300. @Commentator Mike

    Very nice film. The implicit comparison between Constantinople’s oligarchs with Russia’s recent oligarchs is well made: a clear message to Putin and his successors. And the following point is quite interesting, regarding the DNA of Western Europe (that’s where Jews are mentioned, but I can’t get the last word:

    “Byzantine treasures were carried away in an uninterrupted flow over the course of fifty years. Hundreds of tons of precious coins alone were carried away at a time when the annual budget of the wealthiest European countries was no more than two tons of gold. At first, most of the booty was easily taken by sea to Venice and Lombardy… The first European banks began to spring up like mushrooms after a good rain. The English and Dutch, more reserved than their contemporary Italians and Germans, joined the activity a little later, and, with the help of Byzantine riches pouring in, developed that famous capitalism with its inevitable lust for profits, which is essentially a sort of genetic continuation of the sport of military plunder. The first significant Jewish capital was amassed as a result of speculation in Byzantine **

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
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  301. @Odyssey

    Romanians won their independence thanks to the Russians during the Russo-Turkish war in 1877-78, so I assume Russia would have had a greater influence on the newly founded country of Orthodox faith than the Vatican. Now why did the Jesuits target only Romania for Romanisation of their language? Why not also the Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats, or even the Hungarians? It doesn’t make sense to only target Romania for this project while bypassing all those others.

    I see people on the internet are interested to know what language Vlad Tepes “the Impaler” spoke, and can’t agree about the Wallachian language, or even if it existed or was just a dialect of Romanian.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  302. @Laurent Guyénot

    My other criticism is that the video does not emphasise that Byzantium had already lost most of its territories in Spain, North Africa and the Middle East to the onslaught of Arabs/Muslims. By the time of the period the video deals with, Byzantium controlled a far smaller territory than at the height of its power which lasted only for a few centuries after the breakup of the Roman Empire. It could have done with showing this time series gif:

    I like a memorable quotable quote from the video: One Russian pilgrim wrote bitterly during the mid-14th Century: “Greeks are those who have no love”.

  303. Rurik says:
    @Seraphim

    Russia came on top every time,

    but if Russia was under the rule of the Golden Horde, it sure took a long time to come out on top, no?

    From my perspective, it took Russia about seventy years to come out on top following the defeat to the Bolsheviks.

    destroying the ability of the enemy to repeat his aggression,

    which today, as I see it, they didn’t do quite a good enough job, because the threat today, is by the very same Bolsheviks of the last century. As I mentioned, Kaganovitch = Kagan / Nuland

    But I’m confident that Russia will prevail in this latest attempt by the aggressor to destroy Russia.

    That implies skillful leadership working to direct events in a rational fashion (a professional political class which thinks in long terms).

    was it luck that Putin replaced Yeltsin, or strategy?

    quip ”can’t win’em all”?

    I was being a bit flip. (A bit ; )

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  304. Seraphim says:
    @Odyssey

    It is evident that the Serbs were Getae/Daci and not the other way round, irrespective of the fact that they might have spoken a ‘Slavic’ language. They were named as such by ancient historians on the same territory where we found the present Romanians (north and south of the Danube) centuries before the ‘Serbs’ are mentioned. That the Vinca population called itself ‘Serbs’ is pure fantasy.
    The fact that the Jesuits realized the propagandistic advantages offered by the predominately Latin character of the language spoken by the majority of the inhabitants of Transylvania and by the tradition that Romanians are the descendants of the Roman colonists in Dacia for their attraction into the Union with the Latin Church does not mean that they ‘invented’ the Romanian language (actually the first text in Romanian date from 1521 – 20 years before the Jesuit Order came into existence). This is an ignorant and irresponsible assertion. Why didn’t the Jesuits impose a ‘Latin’ language upon the Ruthenians when they forced them into Unia and marshalled them to fight against their ‘genetic brothers’ as they continued to do to our very days?
    Your assertion that ”Romanians speak neither Latin nor Dacian, but Jesuitic language… Because they were needed as canon fodder to fight under Stalingrad, where 160K Romanians died while attacking their genetic brothers” is a silly joke.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  305. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    There are few things, for now just briefly. I have noticed that you are a sceptic regarding Jesuits. In recent exchange with a ‘guy in denial’ he did not mention Jesuits. They were not mentioned in the video either, but they were talking about the Transylvanian school (Școala Ardeleană aka Jesuits) and what they did (killing Eminescu i.e. Eminovic). There is much more what was not mentioned. It was the Vatican project ‘East Latins’ which Jesuits executed for 300 years. Just saw the comment (will reply) of the ‘guy in denial’ where he laughs in his last sentence. He still did not get it. Fake Latins, but real Goths were fighting their Slavic brothers for the benefits of the fake Goths (aka Romanians under Stalingrad).

    Later, I will explain the ‘Orthodox brothers’ although you can see for yourself what was done in Ukraine for less than 30 years. There are parallels btw Jesuits’ Romania and Jewish/Yanks’ Ukraine. Re your interactive map – there are few small errors, but you may notice that, at some point in time, there were three Serbias – Illyrian, Dacian and Baltic and Serbs lived from Peloponnese up to the Baltic. The whole point of ‘East Latin’ project was to separate Balkan Serbs from Russia and prevent them to have an exit to Mediterranean and, later on, to make easier drang nach osten. Brits had this politics for hundreds of years and because they were always supporting Ottomans against Serbs and Russians.

    Even now, you probably remember what has happened recently in Melitopol. Why Ukies were pressurised to defend this town for Nato and UK at any cost? Because the Nato policy is to close the arch between Black Sea and Baltic Sea and prevent Russians (now Chinese, too) to come to Europe. That is the geo-politics (btw, from Serbian word ‘gaya’ > Greek ‘gea’ > Geti i.e. Goths = ploughmen, peasants, people who work on the land). That was the meaning of the name ‘Goths’.

    Also, have you noticed that old names for Black and Baltic Seas were – Wendish and Getian Seas (i.e. both seas were – ‘Serbian sea’). The name of Carpathians in Roman times was ‘Serbian Mountains’ (Montes Serrorum, as recorded by Ammianus Marcellinus (325–391). The term Romania’ and the ‘Romanian language’ did not exist at Vlad’s time. They spoke the language in which they were baptized and in which the inscriptions were written on their medieval churches.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  306. Seraphim says:
    @Rurik

    It did take a long time, but eventually they did come on top. It was grand strategy and not just luck (or ‘Ded Moroz’). ”Fortuna audaces iuvat”.
    I do think that the replacement of Yeltsin with Putin was strategy. I believe that even perestroika and glasnost was strategy (many people have been convinced of that straightaway at the time).

    • Agree: Rurik
  307. Odyssey says:
    @Seraphim

    It seems that only the term ‘Serbs’ is a problem. Otherwise, if we replace this with Dacians, everything is ok. I don’t mind, but some questions should be answered. E.g. what about Thracians, the name Greek used for Serbs? At least you made a little progress by recognizing that Serbs and Getae/Daci are the same people with the same language.

    It is comical that you connect the ancient Dacian language with modern Romanian. Everyone in Romania says there is no information about Dacian (wiki: it is an extinct language), but now, maybe it was a predecessor of Dacian? So if Serbs were a subset of Dacians, they now speak Dacian? Not only Serbs, all other Slavic, too. All except Romanians?

    “…predominately Latin character of the language spoken by the majority of the inhabitants of Transylvania and by the tradition that Romanians are the descendants of the Roman colonists in Dacia”. You must be joking; the guy in the video explained that 14% of the territory occupied for 165 years is insufficient to spread the language on 100%. Which Roman colonists? I think you have no idea who Romans were. The guy in the video mentioned that there were 270 nationalities (I guess tribes/languages) in Roman Empire. The Latin language was not a spoken language but a church and admin language. Do you think emperor Galerius was talking Latin with his childhood friend, the future emperor Licinius, while they were looking after their pigs and sheep in their village? Singing lonely shepherd songs in Latin? Or, emperor Justinian in his secluded mountain birthplace village? What was their mother tongue?

    I already told you. ‘Srb’ is the oldest name that proto-Slavic called each other (=cousin, member of the same race). Because we call their language ‘srbski’ (Serbian), this language did not change from the palaeolithic until today (Alinei). Nations did not exist at that time. Only tribes lived; there were about 750 different names/tribes which spoke Serbian. Even the word ‘tribe’ originated from the name of one of these tribes (Tribals). Tell us about the Romanian language and several campaigns to eradicate Serbian words and toponyms. But still, guys in the video many times mentioned Serbian ‘izvor’ (source, wellspring). I am all ears.

  308. Seraphim says:

    No, the problem it’s you. What’s the point in being ‘all ears’ when you don’t want to listen (and learn)? What’s the point in me talking to the walls? You are talking to the walls and listen to the echo. Annoying like the obnoxious attention seeking smart-ass child who wants to mingle in the adults’ conversation and teach them his kindergarten ‘knowledge’.

  309. @Odyssey

    Considering how many peoples went through the Balkans since the distant past of the Vincha culture, I’d say whatever remains of the genes, language and culture of those ancient people would be fairly dilute by now. It’s interesting to speculate what remains but hard to prove.

    Seraphim mentioned that first texts in Romanian date from 1521 but there must be other documents from that region even before. Vlad’s signature is available from even before then.

    It looks Latinic (Wladislaus Dragwlya)

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    , @Odyssey
    , @Seraphim
  310. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    CM, I feel sorry for a guy. It must be some shock to realize the real role of Jesuits in Romania. They did not come to future Romania to do humanitarian work for 300 years. They even pushed hard after the ww1 the Romanian Orthodox Church (ROC), to get autocephaly tomos from Constantinople’s Phanar and to separate from the Serbian Orthodox Church where it belonged. SOC rejected this, but they used a new Yugoslavian queen from Romania to influence her husband, king Alexander, to pressure SOC to accept this separation, so ROC became an independent church in 1925.

    Hope he does not believe that the US installed rocket launchers in a Romanian village to protect Europe from Iranian rockets because they can be converted to launch offensive missiles in a few minutes. Btw, this village still has its old Serbian name (meaning God’s village). It was founded 1500+AC by Radul Paisie with (wiki) ‘little known origins and early life’ (it usually indicates that he was a Serb).

    We will talk about Vlad; he requires more space. To say that ‘vampire’ is a Serbian (Dacian, if you prefer) word accepted worldwide, and Drak(ula) is the old Serbian name for a dragon. In this knight rank, he belonged (as Milos Obilic, who killed Ottoman sultan Murad in the Kosovo battle).

    If you assert that one language is autochthone, you must provide 5000 years of its previous history; otherwise, it is derived from another language. E.g. it took probably thousands of years for guys from the begging of Odyssey2001 to pronounce RRRRR…, another 1K+ to say ‘RRRRRRB’, another (for example) 1K to pronounce ‘SRRRRRRRB’ and another couple thousand to make a simple sentence. So it is easy to conclude that Latin (especially new Romanian) did not have such a history. The guy could realize this if he actually read the reference he provided (Alinei).

    I had big expectations from him, and I would ask you to pass the message (he is not talking to me) to research Denmark and Danes (they are actually Dacians) and surrounding areas. No one did this before. Also, to find out about Dacian kings who became kings of Italy and Illyrian Serbia (his capital was in Shkodër [Skadar], modern Albania) and who fought Justinian. If he solves this, he can become Serco, the Brave of Romanian history.

  311. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    PS: As a matter of my good will one Dacian song for lonely Serco the Brave and for all of us:

  312. Seraphim says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It is Latin, all right. It is the signature of Vlad Țepeș (the Impaler) on a document redacted in Latin.
    But for what language the ‘Valachians’ spoke before the Jesuits we have a report of Francesco Della Valle, a Venetian envoy to Constantinople who travelled through Valachia and Transylvania between 1531-1535, to the Doge of Venice.
    “The inhabitants live according to the Greek law…Their language is slightly different from our Italian language; they call themselves in their own language Romei, saying that they have come in ancient times from Rome and settled in this country. And if someone ask whether someone can speak their valachian language they ask thus: ‘Sti Rominest’? which means ‘Sai tu romano’?, because their language has been corrupted….
    The first written text (so far) with Latin letters is a collection of hymns translated from Hungarian about 1570-75 for Calvinist proselytism by a Saxon writer and printer Gaspar Heltai from Cisnădie (near Sibiu). Where are the Jesuits? The language is very close to modern Romanian.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  313. @Odyssey

    Too many tribes not enough time, or knowledge on my part. I really can’t tell which were truly different and which were the same tribe with different names given to them by others, or re-named in different epochs. Then of course they also mixed. Both Croats and Albanians claim the Illyrians, and now the Serbs too. Serbs and Croats are quite close but the Albanians are quite different, yet all Illyrian? But then many Albanians could be Serbs and Greeks. Even their national hero Gjergj Kastrioti aka Skenderbeg wasn’t quite Albanian.

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    , @Anon001
  314. @Odyssey

    Danes are very easy; it is enough to follow their name: they are remnant (at least some of them) of the tribe of Dan. This is why they constantly fought Hanza, the local incarnation of Carthage.

    It is like in these movies where enemies stay the same through time and space; so cultural incarnations of Rome fight cultural incarnations of Carthage, and genetic incarnations of Jews fight genetic incarnations of Canaanites.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
  315. Odyssey says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Albanians have nothing to do with Illyrians. They first accidentally set foot on the soil of the Balkans (as accompanying units of the Byzantine general) in 1043 in today’s Albania, which was then Serbia. The general died and they could not return to Sicily, so they asked the Serbian ruler to stay and engage in animal husbandry. They received permission with a symbolic tax in the heads of cattle. They did this for 400 years until the arrival of the Turks, when they became their national holiday. And they did that for 400 years. Skederbeg is 100% Serb and is known 10 generations before him. He was a nobleman, his father became a monk, lived and buried at Hilandar. His parents and all 8 siblings were Serbs with Serbian names.

    Albanians appropriated him because he had estates in today’s Albania and they wanted to show the rest of the world that they also fought against the Turks. They got an instant false history from the Austrians that they are the natives of the Balkans, and it is comical to see how they give their children the names Ilyr or Dardan, which were the names of Serbian tribes. Croats (and muslim Bosniacs) did not exist at the time of the Illyrians, but technically they could be considered if they acknowledged their Serbian (i.e, Illyrian) origins. Until the 19th century, the Illyrian office operated in Vienna, which was the unofficial Serbian embassy in Austria-Hungary.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  316. Odyssey says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    This is one of Lauren’s future projects. Even Google, answering the question ‘what race were the Vikings?’, says: “A lot of the Vikings are mixed individuals” with ancestry from both Southern Europe and Scandinavia, for example, or even a mix of Sami (Indigenous Scandinavian) and European ancestry.

    Actually, the genetics says that the Vikings were mostly Slavic.

    PS. In my previous comment, the spell checker somehow automatically changed ‘Bashi-bazouk’ to ‘national holiday’ – unbelievable and funny.

  317. Anon001 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Hi Mike, here’s some condensed info in case you find some time later on.

    Muslim Albanians are neither Illyrians nor anything ancient. There was no Albanian nation before 1912 AD (yes, the 20th century) when it was artificially created through nation/social engineering project. Today, they are the biggest criminals and drug dealers in Europe and terrorist for hire.

    Below are two well researched videos [1][2] exposing details of the creation of artificial Albanian nation in 1912 by Vatican and Austro-Hungarian Empire out of several primitive Shqiptar tribes that did not even speak common language. This nation-engineering project included common language/grammar, history, epics, myths, indigenous claims, etc. Shqiptars came to the Balkans in 1043 AD with George Maniakes. They territory theft is still in progress and supported by the West [4].

    Teodora Toleva, Bulgarian researcher that discovered this nation-building project documents in Vienna archives and wrote a PhD thesis on it, died under suspicious circumstances at the age of 43. Her book is available in German [3].

    P.S. I believe that Croats changed their story in the meantime – I think they now claim to be descendants of either Iranians or from some people that used to live in today’s territory of Iran at the time. It’s hard to catch up, as they change their fictional stories as they see fit and after they discover some hidden Serbian history they are trying to run away and distance themselves from – as most them are descendants of Serbs that converted to Catholicism, and who were then forced to declare themselves as Croats, instead of Serbs of Catholic faith, around 1900s under the pressure and threats from AHE and Vatican.

    [1] The Austro-Hungarian Invention Of The Albanian Nation – YouTube:

    [2] Who Was Skanderbeg? Factual Data Exposes The Hidden Truth – YouTube:

    [3] Der Einfluss Österreich-Ungarns auf die Bildung der albanischen Nation 1896-1908
    Teodora Toleva | ISBN-10: 3708607562 | ISBN-13‏: 978-3708607566

    [MORE]

    [4] Map of Greater Albania – showing land grab plans of Muslim Shqiptars/Albanians.
    Greater Albania Map – Wikimedia Commons:

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  318. Ed Case says:
    @Odyssey

    Are Gypsies Serbs?
    Is there any connection?

  319. Ron Chapman says: • Website
    @Chris in Cackalacky

    I agree that there is no genetic basis for Jewishness; it is a socio-political control ideology. Arguably though, the Khazarian Mafia who only started calling themselves ‘Jews’ around 1775 AD, probably enjoy stealing and expropriating everything rather than being freely given it.

    Although the Levites may have learned about the money meme and money manipulation in Babylon, the Pharisees seem to have emerged from Canaanite origins, and were probably responsible for spreading the money meme and proliferating fraudulent money changing long after the Levites, Judahites and Benjamites were eliminated by the Romans and Muslims.
    That appears to have been the opinion of Eustace Mullins who wrote:

    [MORE]

    ‘The Babylonian Talmud says: “Five things did Canaan charge his sons:
    love one another, love robbery, love lewdness, hate your masters, and
    do not speak the truth” – The Last Will of Canaan, Babylonian Talmud,
    Peshachim 113b.
    These five points have been the modus operandi of the Canaanites for
    three thousand years. “the Will of Canaan today remains the operating
    instructions of the Canaanite heirs, who presently control the World
    Order. At the same time, it remains unknown to the peoples whom the
    Canaanites continue to rob, enslave, and massacre.” The instructions
    are a command to commit genocide against the people of Shem (Genesis 27:39-41)’

    The implication is that the Talmudists derived from the Canaanites which would be consistent with their Satanic Ritual Sacrifice (SRA) practices, especially their torture and killing of babies and children, and their practice of cannabilism and extracting adrenochrome from children.

    The Khazarians apparently adopted Talmudism in the 9th Century AD becoming the neo-Pharisees. They didn’t adopt the name ‘Jew’ until around 1775 when they started their overt campaign to dominate and enslave Europe and the whole planet. The term did not exist prior to that time. So now they obviously represent those who ‘say they are Jews but are not’ as Christ Jesus reportedly said.

    Arguably the Khazars elite accepted the Talmud and Torah because it was a tribal ideology that plausibly mirrored their murderous barbarism while cloaking it in pseudo religious rituals.
    They had to do that to placate their neighbours, the Rus, the Muslims and the Byzantine Empire, because their overtly murderous empire was no longer being tolerated and faced invasion if they didn’t. Their barbarity and bad faith continued however and so the Rus (the nascent Russian empire) and the Byzantine empire combined to eliminate the Khazarian empire in the 11th and 12th centuries.

    The Talmudic Khazarian ruling class dispersed heading north west towards modern day Poland and Germanic lands where they morphed into the Askenazis that, because of their ethno-centric nepotism and hatred of the Christian Rus and Byzantines who destroyed their empire, congregated in apartheid shtetls and enclaves which enabled their leaders (rabbis) to mind control and hence dominate their Khazarian inmates from cradle to grave. That tyrannical collectivist ideological mechanism has become apparent in our wider world as the Ashkenazis have created various essentially collectivist ideologies notably, Capitalism, Communism, Bolshevism, Fascism, Nazism and neo-Marxist Wokeism which they have imposed on various areas of global society.

    Before Khazaria was dissolved they were known ln Europe and Asia as the name stealers because they used to provide hospitality to travelers from both the east and the west, learn all about them and their business and then murder them, steal their belongings and pretend to be them and carry on their trade and defraud the murdered traders’ contacts in neighbouring lands.(See eg: The new jew question https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/the-new-jew-question?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta
    And See: Space Aliens – https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/space-aliens?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta

    Because of their trading skills and knowledge, and because they harboured fierce hatred for all non-Khazars, and lived apart in tight knit shtetl communities repelling and pillaging outsiders, Khazarian leaders were able, over centuries, to mind control the ordinary members of their communities. That enabled them to act cohesively within other societies such that they became very distinctive (the Pharisees’ use of “goyim” and related terminolgy and their ethno-centric collectivist ideology greatly facilitated this tribal indoctrination and enabled their leaders to become rich and competent in the manipulative arts which they then practiced on Christian and other non-Khazarian societies.

    Today the neo-Pharisee leaders of those who call themselves Jews still adhere to the Talmud but most of them are of Khazarian origins. The Khazars nurture a deep seated albeit concealed hatred of Christians and especially of Russian Christians because the Rus destroyed their empire and scattered their tribe in the 11th and 12th centuries. Russia’s SMO in Ukraine is finally putting an end to that episode.

    For centuries the Khazarian tribal leadership fostered it’s ethnocentric hatred of all goyim in their followers by isolating them in shtetls and apartheid community situations where they could clandestinely use mind control techniques to foster that hatred of all ‘others’ from birth to death.
    Arguably Talmudic ideology was and still is designed as a brain washing socio-political control mechanism. Jewish leaders are indoctrinated in Talmudic ethnocentric, genocidal ideology from cradle to grave and impose it on the rest of the “tribe”.

    That ethnocentricity and its inherent collectivist nepotism has garnered enormous financial, political and social success for those who say they are ‘Jews’. While that situation is maintained by the Talmudic Khazarian, i.e. non-Semitic, controllers of global Jewry, (both the Bolshevik NWO globalists and the Zionist, Israel Firsters) the brain washed general Jewish population will remain in the fold. Why not? After all, the educational, vocational, financial and political rewards of covertly not assimilating to the rest of humanity appear to be very substantial.

    Those who say or think that they are ‘Jews’ falsely believe they are because they have been mind controlled, often from birth, to accept that status. Arguably huge numbers of those who think they are Jews although they are not Talmudists and haven’t been thoroughly indoctrinated into Talmudic ideology, actively promote their “Jewishness” because of the social, educational, vocational, financial and political advantages they accrue from that status. In other words, most ‘Jews’ are not guilty of the crimes of their Talmudic leaders.

    Arguably also, a large portion of the general Jewish population that are either not sayanim or hasbara, or even if they are, ‘only ‘go along’ with the directives of their Jewish leaders in order ‘to get along’, just as, for example, most USans and Brits and “Five Eyes” populations fund via taxation, and otherwise ‘go along to get along’ with their leaders’ invasions and other war crimes in foreign nations on the other side of the world. Arguably most people, whether they are goyem or think they are Jews, ‘know not what they do’; but they are still culpable for their apathy, ignorance and cognitive dissonance although not consciously murderous or ‘satanic.’

    Apparently most people who profess to being ‘Jews’ don’t realise that they are not genetically descendants of Shem but rather most of them have Japhethian, ie Finno-Turkic-Mongol genetic origins. Apparently a much smaller number of people who think that they are ‘Jews’ have Separdic or other ancestral origins. Also occasionally “converts” from other ethnicities are accepted. It is widely accepted today that virtually no people who say they are ‘Jews’ actually have significant Shemite DNA; nor were their ancestors Hebrews or Israelites. Most ‘Jews’ don’t know that let alone understand what it means.

    The Canaanite/Phoenician culture of the Pharisees (while they existed as such) and the neo-Pharisees, i.e. the Khazarians who, in the 9th century embraced the Talmud and Torah and the trappings of the Pharisees’ tribal religion in order to pretend that they were changing their murderous and barbaric ways, is essentially devious, deceptive and genocidal.

    The Khazarian leadership was devious, deceptive and genocidal before converting their empire to Talmudism and nothing changed thereafter. BUT to avoid the overt wrath of goyim societies, they redoubled their deceptive efforts to pretend to be religious and to seem like the rest of humanity while merely going underground with their blood thirsty, cannibalistic and satanic behaviours. Thus today, about 75% of ‘Jews’ are atheists and the remainder worship a jealous, vindictive, genocidal entity that is no god at all.

    To survive and carry out their plot to seek vengeance on Christians and all non Talmudists, the neo-Pharisees, have not only hidden the truth about themselves but also they’ve embarked upon a successful millennia long campaign to conceal and falsify not only the teachings of Christ Jesus but also they have successful concealed and falsified virtually all of our planet’s history just as the Pharisees had previously distorted and hidden the truth about Christ Jesus’s divine revelations by influencing Roman emperors to create the Christian religion. Jesus didn’t incarnate to establish a religion and didn’t. He came to teach divine truths lost and corrupted over millenia by Pharisees and others. In recent centuries the Christian religion and especially the Catholic Church, has been a prime neo-Pharisaic mechanism for destroying human spirituality and knowledge. That doesn’t mean that many Catholics, and religious people generally, are not spiritual and moral any more than that many non Talmudic ‘Jews’ are not spiritual and moral people.

    The neo-Pharisees ethnocentric lifestyle, distinctive customs and avarice, and their tendency to parasitically exploit every society in which they live, makes them very distinctive and causes resentment and hatred by those they exploit. As a result they have been expelled from well over a hundred societies and countries.
    Never-the-less they persisted and their dominance in trade, ‘money changing’ and banking has enabled them to dominate societies, countries and empires.

    That collectivist exclusivity and ethno-centricity will rapidly dissipate once the Khazarian Mafia’s control of global finance and banking is broken and they can no longer reward, and where necessary, coerce rank and file Jews and others to do their bidding. THAT process is visibly underway now in the Ukraine and less obviously all over this planet.
    Or so I think.
    Peace and Blessings,
    Ron

  320. @Ron Chapman

    You almost had it right.
    You just swapped the sides: it is mostly the Sephardi Jews who are false Jews, not mostly Askhenazi ones (even if false Jews are everywhere). Sephardim are descendants of Carthaginians who are descendant of Phoenicians who are descendants of Canaanites. As converts they are all members of Benjamin tribe, known to be an offshoot of Sodom among Israel (story of Gibeah, Judges 19-21).

    The Khazar chimera is indeed chimera. First, there was no long-range caravan trade which they could take over: this trade, indeed a massive one – a trade between China and Roman Empire – ended with the demise of the latter.
    Second, people do not change their mindset so completely: the proposed transformation of nomad Khazars into merchant Jews in such a short time is impossible. It is the opposite: the character stays, the names change, like with Carthaginians who suddenly disappeared and Jews – false Jews – appeared in Spain. Likewise, Germans are Germans from their character, not just from their names. Third, all those stories about travelling merchant Jews start in formerly Carthagian Spain (Ibrahim ibn Jacoub tales of Poland) or Mezopotamia/Babylon (Radhanite Jews). I wouldn’t be completely surprised that they simply found in Khazaria some remnants of former Phoenician colonies which were set up in the Black Sea area too (Odessa was one). Plus, remember that after the demise of Carthage, Phoenicians merged not just with Jews but also with Greeks, so in the Black Sea we may have situation similar to Alexandria: it is known to us as a great Hellenic city, but at its beginning it was Phoenician colony (the island of Pharos), and a very old one too.

    The Khazar chimera exists in order to smear Askhenazi whereas Sephardi are always left in peace. No woke tried to publicly smear Sassons, who peddled to the Chinese a thing much worse than vodka – opium. Ask yourself why.

  321. @Another Polish Perspective

    By the myth of Kadmos, Greeks were Phoenicians half-brothers, but Jews, the original ones, certainly were not (but Jesus was, through Tamar, Ruth, Bathsheba), even if Tyre strived to become indispensable for Salomon. Tyre was successful in its ingratiating; so precious were Tyrian services that Solomon paid them in land – with Galilea. Well, did you notice that all apostles and Jesus himself did come from Galilea? So, they ultimately were Jews or Phoenicians..?
    A tough question, but with the above knowledge, Jesus’ similarity to Phoenician god Adonis becomes both more striking and credible…

    • Replies: @Odyssey
    , @Ron Chapman
  322. Odyssey says:
    @Ron Chapman

    That is a pretty good and insightful comment. Usually, we only have a superficial description. Can you give us more information about mind control, what is the glue that keeps all members in one column and how is it that no one tries to jump out of the species? I have two similar but much smaller examples from the neighborhood. Albanians are the closest to that example with their horde behavior. That gives them an advantage in businesses such as narco-trafficking. It is based on primitivism because almost everyone was illiterate until 100 years ago. For the first 400 years, after they arrived in Serbia, they only engaged in animal husbandry in the mountains. After the Turks, they were terrorists of Christians for 400 years; that kept them together and this is their entire history.

    Croats are a fairly recent construct, and for them, the connective tissue is their conversion and the genocide against Serbs followed by the never seen before atrocities committed in human civilization. That is why a vow of denial binds them; they are 100% unified in supporting this genocide. This can also be seen here, where they are 100% on the side of the Ukrainians.

    Those artificial nations that do not have the prerequisites to be nations and must continually prove themselves by executing genocides and dirty jobs to be recognized as a nation. Some work-in-progress local groups (North Macedonians and Montenegrins) are also envisaged for similar tasks. Bosnian Muslims are very compatible because their supreme ethical law is taqiyya. The Vatican is also grooming Poles and Romanians to become the new Croats.

    So, how is the mind control achieved in this case, which prevents the most educated and the richest and the most creative and rebels from stepping out of that scheme, as we see from the case of Ye, where it could be seen how different branches of that system work in sync.

  323. Odyssey says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    How come this is against the mainstream? If the future Greeks (they got this name at Alexander’s time and widely used after the Roman conquering in the 2nd c.BC) came from Africa/M. East to Europe (when this happened?), how could they have Olympic mythology more than a thousand years before they went to the Balkan and actually saw this mountain? I think that they are genetically closer to Jews. Does the story say that they were together expelled from Egypt and found refuge among Serbs in Sinai (former name Serbal) and on Mediterranean islands (Rhodes)?

  324. Ron Chapman says: • Website

    G’day Odyssey,

    Thank you.
    Arguably Jews aren’t a species. The Talmud is an ideology. At a spiritual level ensouled individuals choose to accept and follow the dictates of that evil, anti-human ideology, or not. In fact though, we are all programmed by our parents, society and environment. So if, for instance, your parents, schooling, governments and the MSM constantly provide direct or subliminally aggressive or negative fear laden messages your brain and body develops a typically negative emotional and physical response thereto. So, for instance, although the average ‘Jew’ may not study the 63 books of the Talmud or any of them; if he is regaled with lies about the HoloHoax etc from birth to bar mitzvah he will, at least subconsciously, absorb the negative messages involved.

    A similar mechanism was employed by the CIA in Ukraine for many years before the Maidan putsch in 2014. Victoria Nuland boasted that the US spent over five billion USD socially engineering that outcome via schooling and other propaganda avenues. The CIA and various US NGOs have routinely done this in the Ukraine, Poland, Croatia, Abania, all of the Balkans and in many places around the world. Indeed ‘Jews’ instigated the murderous incident in Serbia that triggered WWI. So there’s no mystery about how Tavistock and the Khazarians creates and stimulates societal hostility and conflicts today.

    Bear in mind also that about half of the global population are NOT ensouled humans. Their genetics were downgraded by demonic physical interference at some time in their past heredity. Parents who have deficient DNA cannot transmit better DNA than they have. Unensouled individuals have no moral compass and live by primitive instincts. They imitate those around them and seek to blend with their surroundings whatever they may be. One of the Tavistock Institute’s current projects involves its machinations around Wokeism and gender dysphoria which is just another attempt to destroy human consciousness and DNA. There are many others. The demonic forces that downgraded human genetics in the past are still trying to destroy anyone who still has healthy genetics.

    Remember also, that most ensouled humans with healthy DNA start adult life lacking higher consciousness because they are essentially programmed by parents, community and nation to accept a false view of themselves from in utero to age seven whereafter, as the Jesuits said: ‘give me a child to age seven and I’ll show you the man’ or words to that effect. EVERYONE is programmed by their upbringing. That can be changed but only if the individual becomes aware of his/her programming and diligently seeks to consciously reprogram his/her subconscious socially conditioned thought processes. See eg: Part three of: Bruce Lipton The Biology of Belief Full Lecture:

    And: The Biology of Belief: Here’s How to Change Your Reality: ardic

    And:
    Conversation with Dr. Bruce lipton about sound healing:

    This subject is huge.
    Be aware that the demonic controllers of the Khazarian Mafia (primarily Ashkenazis) have, for millennia, been using them and their minions and enablers to enslave and destroy humanity. Their efforts have become explicit with the COVID-19 scamdemic and the globalists’ One World Government initiatives. The XTN money laundering fiasco in Ukraine evidences that Khazarians (Gog and Magog) ARE the problem.

    The Rothchilds’ initially funded the Sephardic John D Rockefeller and other ‘Jews’ in the late 1800s to ruin rugged individuality, education and health in the US by introducing satanic schooling and allopathic healthcare, both of which have spread worldwide, dumbing down and sickening billions of people. That, combined with the Ashkenazi’s looting of the US via usurious banking has assisted the Talmudists to mind control USans and humans everywhere to passively accept the killing of hundreds of millions of people through healthcare and wars etc.

    In the West and increasingly everywhere else, as TV and smartphones etc proliferate, governments, advertisers and the MSM have zombified a majority of many populations. THAT is why it has been so hard for Trump and his local and global supporters to wake up USans and Westerners to the diabolical reality in which we live. Before people can begin to develop higher consciousness they have to become genuinely self conscious.

    For instance most people are not psychopaths or sociopaths and don’t consciously seek to destroy others BUT they are sooo unconscious and unaware that their apathy, ignorance and cognitive dissonance allows governments, institutions and the MSM et al, to create a dystopic hell on earth all around them. The joke is that their indifference is allowing those who control their lives to destroy them also. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

    We’ve arrived at the tipping point. The fat, happy and complaisant Western masses are being shaken out of their psychic slumber by increasing power, fuel and food shortages, the slow-motion global financial crash and the the effects of war all of which are being visited upon their Western doorsteps instead of in distant Third World nations. People WILL wake up or die.

    Peace and Blessings,
    Ron
    **************

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  325. Ron Chapman says: • Website
    @Another Polish Perspective

    G’day Odyssey,

    Christ Jesus wasn’t a Jew or a Phoenician.
    His mother was of Sumerian extraction and his father’s seed was supplied by The Gabriel who was Christ Michael Aton’s 2IC in charge of the Nebadon universe while Christ Michael was overshadowing Esu Immanuel Kumara during his incarnation on this planet.
    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/468304061258260443/
    Peace and Blessings,
    Ron
    *************

  326. Ron Chapman says: • Website
    @Another Polish Perspective

    G’day Another Polish Perspective,

    Thanks for your views.

    I understand that over 90% of ‘those who call themselves Jews but are not’ are of Khazarian extraction. There is no doubt that Khazarians assumed the Talmudic mantle at some stage. There’s no evidence that Ashkenazis were really Sephardics.
    Sephardics appear to have been African converts to Judaism.
    Is it suggested that Sephardics in Germany decided to call themselves “Ashkenazis”?

    It’s possible that Talmudists from Babylon infiltrated Khazaria much earlier than when the Khazarian empire “came out” as Talmudic in the 9th century because the Khazars appear to have developed a reputation as ‘name stealers’ long before that time. Part of that reputation was that they indulged in the travelling merchant trade by killing merchants and stealing their goods and identities and passing themselves off as those they had murdered.

    The behaviour of the Black Nobility in Venice is said to have been evil and Talmudic. They certainly traded extensively in gold, silver and slaves etc with the Mongols via the Black Sea and apparently infiltrated the Vatican in the 12th century if not before that; and they organised and funded the Crusades in order to wrest ports for that trade from the Byzantines. Question whether they were of Khazarian or Sephardic extraction? The Black Nobility in Venice apparently moved their banking HQ to Holland in the 16th century and then to London in the 17th, although the 13 families must have retained castles in Venice because Trump organised to have the military take them out in Venice in December 2016.
    Whatever the truth of the matter is, virtually none of those who claim they are “Jews” appear to have DNA evidencing that they derive from Semites, Hebrews or Israelites.
    IF that is the case then anyone claiming to be a “Jew”, ISN’T; if that is supposed to mean they had ancestors in Palestine.
    Peace and Blessings,
    Ron
    ******************

  327. Odyssey says:
    @Ron Chapman

    The ‘species’ was an attempt of metaphor. I’m still fixated with the concept of this mind control. It seems incredible that a geographically dispersed individuals line up without exception. Many of them are highly educated and have great results in various fields, but they simply cannot break away from that control even in their mature age.

    It is enough to see those who comment here. Their comments are carbon copies of each other. You read one and you know all others. It’s incredible that everyone thinks the same about everything, whether it is Putin, Trump, the Russian military operation, European politics, etc. What you say about Americans is absolutely true. That’s why the average Americans are perceived here as overweight morons, who only eat junk food and coke and watch TV. Also, watching for example Christian Zionists looks like watching reality show from the madhouse.

    I think that one of the main tools of the mind control is good knowledge of psychology and I think there is no coincidence that these members are the greatest authors of the books and good connoisseurs of the human psyches, above all its dark sides. This is used, for example, in the design of reality programs or public policies or in advertising. It is really interesting how the simplest process, for example, buying (shoes, car, house, whatever) is divided into 5-6 stages and you know exactly the point where a decision is made and that is where it is possible to influence someone to make the appropriate decision.

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