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In “Ted Gold and the Jews of Weatherman” (September 2017 in TOO), I wrote, in describing a envisioned takeover of the United States by the Jewish radical group Weatherman, “Cue the return of leather-jacketed coke-snorting Jewish secret police rounding up the gentiles for rape, torture and murder in dank abattoirs. It happened, look it up.” This somewhat jarring historical reference left one commenter, “Jim,” nonplussed. He wrote, whether ironically or seriously (but amusingly), “Where can I find info on coke snorting Jews raping people.” Somewhat belatedly, I thought I would review some of the evidence for the separate elements of my statement: leather jackets, cocaine, and torture, rape and murder in “dank abattoirs.” And, of course, Jewish Cheka agents.

The Cheka

When the Bolsheviks seized the power that was so famously “lying in the streets” in early November 1917, they didn’t disguise the fact that they meant to rule by force and terror. Within weeks they established the coercive arm of their permanent revolution, the “Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counterrevolution and Sabotage,” Ve-Cheka for short or Cheka for shorter. Lenin placed the fanatical Pole Felix Dzerzhinsky in charge of it, and he in turn recruited a cohort of Latvians, Jews, and renegade Russians to help him devastate the Russian nation. The Cheka almost immediately launched into one of the most horrifying orgies of mass murder ever recorded, and men of Jewish blood, who like other Jewish leftists, retained their Jewish identity, played a very prominent role in it.

It is very well-attested that Jews were, for the first twenty years of its history, vastly over-represented in the ranks of the Cheka in proportion to their numbers in the population of the Soviet Union. A few citations will suffice. The historian Richard Pipes quotes a member of the early Kiev Cheka to the effect that three-quarters of its personnel were Jewish.[1]Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (Vintage Books, 1991), p. 824. Another source shows that 37 of the top 96 NKVD (later nomenclature for the Cheka) officials in 1934 were Jews, an astounding number considering they made up only 1.7 percent of the population.[2]Paul Gregory, Terror by Quota: State Security from Lenin to Stalin (An Archival Study) (Yale University Press, 2009), p. 63. The Jews actually outnumbered ethnic Russians in these top positions all the way up to early 1937, when Stalin began purging them. The Soviet-born Israeli journalist Sever Plocker writes, “Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity”—at a time, incidentally, when celebrating the Bolshevik Revolution was entirely mainstream in the Jewish diaspora community in the West. At the same time, Jews were underrepresented in the population of the Gulag, by roughly twenty-five percent.[3]Terry Martin, The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 (Cornell University Press, 2001), p. 425. See also here, p. 1028.

Within months of the institution of the Cheka, provincial Chekas were sprouting up throughout the territory controlled by the beleaguered Bolshevik dictatorship. Because the central Cheka was essentially an extra-legal body, and had for some time little bureaucratic control over the provincial Chekas, the latter often amounted to little more than local strong-arm groups, composed of criminals and Jews, whose motives were plunder and revenge. Central authorities did eventually succeed in bringing their Cheka franchises under discipline, but the murder, torture, and plunder continued, the only change being central direction and a better paper trail.

The prestige and élan that surrounded the early Cheka and its personnel is strange to evoke at this point in time, but it was significant, at least among some circles. The organization had no problem recruiting. They affected a hard-edged style that featured leather jackets or trench coats. Yakov Sverdlov, an important early Jewish Bolshevik commissar—Chairman of the Central Executive Committee and thus de jure head of state—apparently spread the vogue for leather jackets and even leather trousers.[4]Yuri Slezkine, The House of Government: A Saga of the Russian Revolution (Princeton University Press, 2017), p. 152 Here he is, to the right of Lenin:

The Jewish functionary and terrorist Rozalia Zemliachka, best known for butchering 50,000 people in the Crimea after the Civil War, was also well-known for her fondness for leather jackets and a hardline persona: “In her forties when the Civil War began, Zemliachka dressed in the stereotypical garb of a Bolshevik commissar and killed with a vengeance.”[5]W. Bruce Lincoln, Red Victory: A History of the Russian Civil War (Simon and Schuster, 1989), p. 386. Another source relates that Dzerzhinsky commandeered a shipment of leather coats meant for air force pilots, and outfitted his men in them.[6]Donald Rayfield, Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him (Random House, 2004), p. 69. In the early days, every self-respecting Bolshevik commissar and Cheka officer sported leather jackets.

The Jews who flocked into the ranks of the secret police were burning for revenge on their Christian neighbors, and nobody nurses a grievance quite like the Jews—the pogroms, despite their exaggeration by Jewish activists at the time and since, were certainly a component of Jewish hatred toward the Russian Empire. A variety of sources confirm a sense of revenge as a motive. Yuri Slezkine reviews some of the works of early Soviet Jewish writers that illustrate the revenge theme. For example, the amorous advances of the Jewish protagonist of Eduard Bagritsky’s poem “February” are rebuffed by a Russian girl, but their positions are changed after the Revolution when he becomes a deputy commissar. Seeing the girl in a brothel, he has sex with her without taking off his boots, his gun, or his trench coat—an act of aggression and revenge:

I am taking you because so timid
Have I always been, and to take vengeance
For the shame of my exiled forefathers
And the twitter of an unknown fledgling!
I am taking you to wreak my vengeance
On the world I could not get away from!

Igor Shafarevich, a mathematician and member of the prestigious U. S. National Academy of Sciences reviewed Jewish literary works during the Soviet and post-Soviet period, finding a prominent theme of Jewish hatred mixed with a powerful desire for revenge toward pre-revolutionary Russia and its culture. But Shafarevich also suggests that the Jewish “Russophobia” that prompted the mass murder is not a unique phenomenon, but results from traditional Jewish hostility toward the non-Jewish world, considered tref (unclean), and toward non-Jews themselves, considered sub-human and as worthy of destruction—a very reasonable interpretation given traditional Jewish ethics in which non-Jews have no moral standing. People with such beliefs have no moral compunctions about the torture, rape, and murder of their perceived enemies. Hatred toward the peoples and cultures of non-Jews and the image of enslaved ancestors as victims of anti-Semitism have been the Jewish norm throughout history—much commented on, from Tacitus to the present.

Finally, the Jewish hatred and desire for revenge was not confined to the USSR. Jewish members of the internal security force in post-World War Poland often appear to have been motivated by personal rage and a desire for revenge related to their Jewish identity:

Their families had been murdered and the anti-Communist underground was, in their perception, a continuation of essentially the same anti-Semitic and anti-Communist tradition. They hated those who had collaborated with the Nazis and those who opposed the new order with almost the same intensity and knew that as Communists, or as both Communists and Jews, they were hated at least in the same way. In their eyes, the enemy was essentially the same. The old evil deeds had to be punished and new ones prevented and a merciless struggle was necessary before a better world could be built. (Schatz, J. (1991). The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland, 226)

“A ‘Continuous Spree’of Rape and Robbery.” And Torture and Murder

The Cheka official quoted by Pipes above said the early days in Kiev (1918–1919) amounted to a “continuous spree” of rape and robbery, though they were “careful to spare fellow Jews.”[7]Pipes, p. 824. For some reason, Pipes left out mention of horrific torture and murder, but I’ll fill in those details.[8]I am aware that Pipes is Jewish. A major element of revenge has always been humiliation of the target group and rape of its women, and the Red Terror had plenty of both. The acme of vengeance, for the truly dedicated, is torture and murder: the infliction of terrible suffering directly on the object of hatred, flaunting one’s dominance, then the total destruction of the victim. The frenzied nature of the excesses of the Red Terror resulted from a combination of factors, including an atmosphere of brutalization brought on by revolution and civil war and a perverse ideology, but an ethnic factor was also clearly present.

A recent historian of Stalin’s executioners affirms the Jews “ruthlessly avenged the victims of a century’s pogroms.”[9]Rayfield, p. 75. Another states that “the “ranks of the Cheka were filled with social elements anxious for revenge.”[10]S. Courtois, N. Werth, J.-L. Panne, Andrzej Paczkowski, K. Bartosek and J.-L. Margolin (eds), The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression (Harvard University Press, 1999), p. 102. A historian of the Russian Civil War states, “Always anxious to use national and racial hatreds to advantage, Dzerzhinskii placed Jews in seven of the Cheka’s top ten positions. . . . The victims of centuries of anti-Semitic abuse, the Jews of the Ukraine now had a chance to take revenge.”[11]W. Bruce Lincoln, p. 314

The Cheka officers, with literally nothing hindering their action, assaulted women on a mass scale. There is plenty of evidence for this.

“Convicted criminals and certified psychopaths appointed themselves officers of the Cheka and terrorized, raped, and murdered whom they liked.”[12]Rayfield, p. 83. “Rapes of female prisoners by Cheka guards and interrogators were so commonplace that they occasioned comment from superiors only if performed in some particularly brutal or perverted fashion.”[13]W. Bruce Lincoln, p. 383. Rape of Russian women by Cheka men “took on gigantic proportions, particularly in the second reconquest of Ukraine and the Cossack regions of the Crimea in 1920.”[14]S. Courtois et. al., p. 105.

Sergey Melgounov wrote the classic account of early Bolshevik rule, The Red Terror. On page 136 he describes Cheka “food detachments” that plundered the food in the countryside to feed the cities, the base of Bolshevik power: “Whenever an expedition that was collecting the grain tax in the Khvalinsky district reached a village the peasants were commanded to surrender their best-looking girls to the officials.”[15]Sergey Melgounov, The Red Terror in Russia (Hyperion Press, 1976), p. 136.

A story from Ekaterinodar in the Caucasus, c. 1919:

Madame Dombrovskaya, an ex-school teacher, was tortured in her solitary confinement cell . . . . The Che-Ka had been informed that she had . . . jewelery . . . in her keeping: wherefore . . . she was ordered to be tortured until she should reveal where the jewelery might be. For a beginning she was raped and outraged generally—the raping taking place in order of seniority of torturers, with a man called Friedmann raping her first, and the others in regular sequence. And, that done, she was questioned further as to the whereabouts of the jewelery, and further tortured by having incisions made into her body, and her finger tips nipped with pliers and pincers. Until at last, in her agony, with the blood pouring from her wounds, she confessed that the jewels were hidden in an outbuilding of her house. The same evening (the date being November 6) she was shot.[16]Melgounov, p. 163.

From southern Ukraine: “a witness testified before the Denikin Commission [an investigative body set up by the White Armies] that licentious orgies had been carried out systematically by the Che-Ka and tribunal of Nikolaev, and included even women who had come to beg for relatives’ release, with that inclusion as the price of their relatives’ freedom.”[17]Melgounov, p. 218.

Some local Chekas were so atrocious that even Bolsheviks were outraged. One—a Serafina Gopner—complained to Lenin about the Cheka in Ekaterinoslav in Ukraine:

This organization is rotten to the core: the canker of criminality, violence, and totally arbitrary decisions abounds, and it is filled with . . . the dregs of society, men armed to the teeth who simply execute anyone they don’t like. They steal, loot, rape, and throw anyone into prison, forge documents, practice extortion and blackmail, and will let anyone go in exchange for huge sums of money.[18]Courtois et. al., p. 103.

Virtually all of these poor women were Christian Russians; a great many of the rapists were revenge-minded Jews. I imagine that Jews, with their strong sense of respect for their martyred ancestors, would wish us, too, to “never forget” these victims.

As for cocaine, it was used very widely in the decades before and after 1900. The coca plant grows only in South America, but its properties became known in Europe by the early 1800s. The chemical was isolated from the leaf by a German chemist in 1860, and its use as a stimulant and local anesthetic quickly spread. An early booster of the drug was Sigmund Freud, who wrote a glowing report of its effects and pushed it on his friends and patients. (His addiction lasted twelve years.) By the 1880s, pharmaceutical companies were producing hundreds of thousands of pounds yearly, and Parke-Davis in the U.S. was actually marketing a little kit with cocaine and a syringe and needle for convenient use, although it could also be snorted as a powder. The drug was one ingredient of early Coca-Cola, at least until 1903, when there began a reaction against it because of its addictive and harmful properties. There were an estimated 200,000 addicts in the U.S. at the turn of the century. In addition, Americans became alarmed at the prospect of Blacks committing violent crimes under its influence. One authority maintained that “most of the attacks upon the white women of the South are the direct result of a cocaine-crazed Negro brain.” In 1914 the government placed it under federal control, which did not, of course, eradicate its availability.

Cocaine was also readily available in Russia. The following passages show that Cheka men used it commonly, even maniacally. Some of them claimed that the constant bloodshed and strain necessitated a resort to drugs, but it probably fueled some of the atrocities as well. Whatever the case may be, it was clear that many Cheka men were out of their minds with drugs and sadism. The combination led to mental breakdowns among Cheka agents. A number of them were committed to psychiatric wards.[19]George Leggett, The Cheka: Lenin’s Political Police (Oxford University Press, 1981), p. 271. Donald Rayfield tells of a Hungarian female Chekist who had to be confined to a psych ward after she began shooting witnesses of crimes. Rayfield, p. 83.

From a 1919 report on the Cheka in Yaroslavl: “The Cheka are looting and arresting everyone indiscriminately. . . . They have transformed the Cheka headquarters into a huge brothel where they take all the bourgeois women. Drunkenness is rife. Cocaine is being used quite widely among the supervisors.”[20]Courtois et. al., p. 103.

The White Armies freed Kiev from Cheka rule for a brief period in 1919. One of the resulting reports stated, “In almost every cupboard and, for that matter, in almost every drawer, we found empty cocaine bottles in piles.”[21]Melgounov, p. 201.

The Cheka placed their men in all Red Army units. Here is a report from a supervisor on certain of these units: “No administrative norm is being respected by these people. . . . Orgies and drunkenness are daily occurrences. Almost all the personnel of the Cheka are heavy cocaine users. They say that this helps them deal with the sight of so much blood on a daily basis.” The man who composed this report, Rozental, concluded that although these units needed tighter control and were “drunk with blood and violence,” they nevertheless “are doing their duty.”[22]Courtois et. al., p. 103-04. Well, that’s a relief.

Maks Deich, a Jew, was the head of the Odessa Cheka in 1920–1922. There “he earned [a] reputation for extreme cruelty, and suffered a neurosis and addiction to cocaine.”[23]Leggett, p. 447. What harrowing atrocities could have earned him notoriety for “extreme cruelty” in this milieu? A Cheka officer in Georgia named Schulmann, very likely a Jew, also earned notice. A prisoner witnessed “brutal executions . . . especially at the hands of a certain Schulmann, who was addicted to morphine and cocaine.”[24]Amy Knight, Beria: Stalin’s First Lieutenant (Princeton University Press, 1996), p. 236 note 12.

As for “dank abattoirs,” here is what the White Armies found in Kiev in late August 1919, after they drove out the Bolsheviks:

The place had formerly been a garage, and then the provincial Che-Ka’s main slaughter-house. And the whole of it was coated with blood—blood ankle deep, coagulated with the heat of the atmosphere, and horribly mixed with human brains, chips of skullbone, wisps of hair, and the like. Even the walls were bespattered with blood and similar fragments of brain and scalp, as well as riddled with thousands of bullet holes. In the centre was a drain about a quarter of a metre deep and wide, and about ten metres long. This led to the sanitary system of the neighbouring house, but was choked to the brim with blood. The horrible den contained 127 corpses, but the victims of the previous massacre had been hurriedly buried in the adjacent garden. What struck us most about the corpses was the shattering of their skulls, or the complete flattening out of those skulls, as though the victims had been brained with some such instrument as a heavy block. … And in every case the corpses were naked … [a grave in the courtyard] contained eighty bodies which in every instance bore almost unimaginably horrible wounds and mutilations. In this grave we found corpses with, variously, entrails ripped out, no limbs remaining (as though the bodies had literally been chopped up), eyes gouged out, and heads and necks and faces and trunks all studded with stab wounds. Again, we found a body which had had a pointed stake driven through its chest, whilst in several cases the tongue was missing.[25]Megounov, p. 176

This happened in Kiev, where, you remember, three-quarters of the Cheka staff were Jews.

The Cheka rampage continued for decades. The Terror would reach crescendos, such as “The Great Terror” of 1937–1938, but it never died down until after the death of Stalin in 1953. Robert Conquest, speaking of early 1937, used this chilling description: “Russians who had thought that the country was already in the grip of terrorists were now to see what terror really meant.”[26]Robert Conquest, The Great Terror: A Reassessment (Oxford University Press, 1990), p. 181. When I first read that sentence twenty-five years ago, I had a palpable sensation of horror, and profound sadness for the Russian people.

The German invasion of Russia in June 1941 lifted the curtain on later Bolshevik atrocities.[27]An even later account, and more directly tied to Jewish perpetrators, appears in An Eye For An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945 (Basic Books, 1993) by John Sack. It is the story of Jewish secret police in the Polish Communist regime after World War Two rounding up Germans in concentration camps for even more rape, torture, and murder. Nearly a quarter century of bloody vengeance had not quenched the Bolshevik/Jewish bloodthirst. The retreating Bolsheviks massacred their prisoners in the frontier prisons rather than transport them to the east, and the incoming Germans carefully preserved the evidence. They didn’t simply kill them, however. One witness, a German doctor, gives the following testimony concerning the scene in Lvov:

I ordered that the cellars [of Brygidky prison] should be immediately cleared, and in the course of the next three days 423 corpses were brought out . . . Among the bodies there were young boys aged 10, 12, and 14 and young women aged 18, 20, and 22, besides old women. . . . [At] the military prison in the northern part of the town . . . the stench of decomposition was so strong and there was so much blood under the mountain of corpses that we had to wear a Polish gas mask in order to enter the cellar. . . . Young women, men, and older women were piled up layer upon layer all the way to the ceiling. . . . The third and fourth cellars were only about three-quarters full. Over 460 corpses were taken out of these cellars. Many of the bodies showed evidence of serious torture, mutilations of arms and legs, and shackling.[28]Alfred M. de Zayas, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945 (University of Nebraska Press, 1995), p. 216.

Another witness saw

a large space, filled from top to bottom with corpses. . . . The bottom ones were still warm. The victims . . . laid in various poses, with open eyes and masks of terror on their faces. Among them were many women. On the left wall, three men were crucified, barely covered by clothing from their shoulders, with severed male organs. Underneath them on the floor in half-sitting, leaning positions – two nuns with those organs in their mouths. The victims of the NKVD’s sadism were killed with a shot in the mouth or the back of the head. But most were stabbed in the stomach with a bayonet. Some were naked or almost naked . . .

Citizens of Lvov searching for relatives among the victims of the NKVD
Citizens of Lvov searching for relatives among the victims of the NKVD

 

More victims. It looks like they endured severe beatings, and the man in the foreground is partially undressed. Both of the above photos are from https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1153801.
More victims. It looks like they endured severe beatings, and the man in the foreground is partially undressed. Both of the above photos are from https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1153801.

Other witnesses also stated that many of the dead were naked, which naturally leads to the question whether they were raped.[29]De Zayas, p. 220. The Ukrainian Red Cross estimated that 4,000 people had perished in Lvov alone.[30]De Zayas, p. 221. Another source says the victims numbered 10,000.[31]Courtois, et. al., p. 225.

When the local Ukrainian and Polish population saw the terrible scenes, they “immediately started to drag the Jews out of their homes and to abuse them in the streets.”[32]De Zayas, p. 223. Thousands were killed. The locals pinned the atrocities upon the Jews, so deep-set was the impression that Bolsheviks = Jews. I have not found information on Cheka agents in Lvov for this period, but Jews composed thirty percent of the population of the city.[33]Dov Levin, The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry Under Soviet Rule, 1939-1941 (The Jewish Publication Society, 1995), p. 54 The top-ranks of NKVD officials by this time had a much-reduced Jewish contingent, but that doesn’t mean the middle and lower ranks were reduced in the same proportion. Arkady Vaksberg writes, “But the NKVD was not free of Jews, despite the . . . purges. Among the sadists who came to fill the emptied slots, including very high ones, were “more of the same.”[34]Arkady Vaksberg, Stalin Against the Jews (Alfred Knopf, 1994), p. 101. The reaction of the local population is also telling; they had no doubt that Jews were to blame. One source states that there were almost 600 Jewish officers in the Ukrainian NKVD in January 1945.[35]Amir Weiner, Making Sense of War: The Second World War and the Fate of the Bolshevik Revolution (Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 269. Certainly there would have been many more in June 1941.

When I wrote the sentence that introduced this short essay, I was predicting what a Weatherman takeover in America would look like. The communists in Weatherman had important similarities with the Bolsheviks: a smug and fanatical superiority complex, a messianic ideology, slavering hatred of Whites/Christians, and plans for “re-education” camps. The Weathermen have mostly passed away, but the spirit that produced them is far stronger than it was in the 1960s; it is the same ancient and murderous hatred that propelled the Bolsheviks. A powerful desire to avenge the evils of the old social order. The Weathermen were not alone on the Jewish left with fantasies of hatred and revenge.

For many Jewish New Leftists “the revolution promises to avenge the sufferings and to right the wrongs which have, for so long, been inflicted on Jews with the permission or encouragement, or even at the command of, the authorities in prerevolutionary societies” (Cohen, P. S. (1980). Jewish Radicals and Radical Jews. London: Academic Press., 208; here, p. 85). Interviews with New Left Jewish radicals revealed that many had destructive fantasies in which the revolution would result in “humiliation, dispossession, imprisonment or execution of the oppressors” combined with the belief in their own omnipotence and their ability to create a non-oppressive social order (Ibid.). These findings are also entirely consistent with Kevin MacDonald’s personal experience among Jewish New Left activists at the University of Wisconsin in the 1960s (here, p. 103, note 13).

The body of this essay is a glimpse at a state of affairs that hovers over the horizon like a vast terrifying storm. No revolutionary overthrow will be needed at this point, for the levers of power are already in the hands of our enemies, awaiting only a situation where they can seize absolute power comparable to their power in the post-revolutionary USSR. Time is short; the great question of this generation is this: does the spirit of our ancestors, the warriors of the steppe, merely slumber in our countrymen? Or is it in fact dead? I’m not sure I want to know the answer to that question.

Notes

[1] Richard Pipes, The Russian Revolution (Vintage Books, 1991), p. 824.

[2] Paul Gregory, Terror by Quota: State Security from Lenin to Stalin (An Archival Study) (Yale University Press, 2009), p. 63.

[3] Terry Martin, The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 (Cornell University Press, 2001), p. 425. See also here, p. 1028.

[4] Yuri Slezkine, The House of Government: A Saga of the Russian Revolution (Princeton University Press, 2017), p. 152

[5] W. Bruce Lincoln, Red Victory: A History of the Russian Civil War (Simon and Schuster, 1989), p. 386.

[6] Donald Rayfield, Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him (Random House, 2004), p. 69.

[7] Pipes, p. 824.

[8] I am aware that Pipes is Jewish.

[9] Rayfield, p. 75.

[10] S. Courtois, N. Werth, J.-L. Panne, Andrzej Paczkowski, K. Bartosek and J.-L. Margolin (eds), The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression (Harvard University Press, 1999), p. 102.

[11] W. Bruce Lincoln, p. 314

[12] Rayfield, p. 83.

[13] W. Bruce Lincoln, p. 383.

[14] S. Courtois et. al., p. 105.

[15] Sergey Melgounov, The Red Terror in Russia (Hyperion Press, 1976), p. 136.

[16] Melgounov, p. 163.

[17] Melgounov, p. 218.

[18] Courtois et. al., p. 103.

[19] George Leggett, The Cheka: Lenin’s Political Police (Oxford University Press, 1981), p. 271. Donald Rayfield tells of a Hungarian female Chekist who had to be confined to a psych ward after she began shooting witnesses of crimes. Rayfield, p. 83.

[20] Courtois et. al., p. 103.

[21] Melgounov, p. 201.

[22] Courtois et. al., p. 103-04.

[23] Leggett, p. 447.

[24] Amy Knight, Beria: Stalin’s First Lieutenant (Princeton University Press, 1996), p. 236 note 12.

[25] Megounov, p. 176

[26] Robert Conquest, The Great Terror: A Reassessment (Oxford University Press, 1990), p. 181.

[27] An even later account, and more directly tied to Jewish perpetrators, appears in An Eye For An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945 (Basic Books, 1993) by John Sack. It is the story of Jewish secret police in the Polish Communist regime after World War Two rounding up Germans in concentration camps for even more rape, torture, and murder.

[28] Alfred M. de Zayas, The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 1939-1945 (University of Nebraska Press, 1995), p. 216.

[29] De Zayas, p. 220.

[30] De Zayas, p. 221.

[31] Courtois, et. al., p. 225.

[32] De Zayas, p. 223.

[33] Dov Levin, The Lesser of Two Evils: Eastern European Jewry Under Soviet Rule, 1939-1941 (The Jewish Publication Society, 1995), p. 54

[34] Arkady Vaksberg, Stalin Against the Jews (Alfred Knopf, 1994), p. 101. The reaction of the local population is also telling; they had no doubt that Jews were to blame.

[35] Amir Weiner, Making Sense of War: The Second World War and the Fate of the Bolshevik Revolution (Princeton University Press, 2002), p. 269.

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  1. Sparrow says:

    Thank you for this report. We are currently living in a propaganda mill where Nazi’s are attributed to these barbaric evils. Hasbara propaganda to the hilt on just about every article you read. Without research into the truth the reader is left with jew guilt projected lies onto the guiltless. These barbaric atrocities (there must be a stronger word for it)…even with its photos and witnesses are so far to understand/grasp, some would think it fiction however, with the terrorized and brainwashed minds of present day media it’s no wonder. One thing is certain…a curse will keep active in a circular time frame and it’s actions will, do and has done many manifestations in different ways but always have the very same hallmarks. Daesh (isis) certainly does. The kidnapping, torture and hell leveled on Palestinians do. In fact I can see it’s face all over the world now with it’s head in US/and it’s throne in occupied Palestine. The satanic worship in DC, the military and elites are ever more revealed day by day. Wake up America. Here’s hoping Putin has done everything possible to cleanse Russia of such horror. God bless the survivors and descendants of these poor victims…RIP.

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  2. JimDandy says:

    Ask and ye shall receive, Jim. Now go home and get your shinebox.

  3. Very informative article that should be shared far and wide….

  4. melpol says:

    Free markets combined with a meritocracy is the dream of world Jewry. Bolshevism was supposed to provide that dream. But civil wars and corruption stood in the way. Ten thousand Jews cannot be blamed for the crimes of fifty million Russians in a civil war. Jews have always been the sacrificial lamb.

  5. @melpol

    ” free markets and meritocracy are the dream world of jews” Are you sure you don’t mean the game of Two Card Monty? Jews have ethnically networked to gain positions of influence in western societies, while denying our children thier birthright as inheritors of the civilization of thier forefathers. But it ain’t over yet.

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  6. Tibor Szamuely

    Tibor Szamuely…was a Hungarian politician and journalist who was Deputy People’s Commissar of War and People’s Commissar of Public Education during the Hungarian Soviet Republic.

    On 21 March 1919 a coup by the communist members of the coalition government established the Hungarian Soviet Republic, under the leadership of Béla Kun. Szamuely became a prominent politician of the new government. He occupied a number of posts, but he then was made People’s Commissar for Military Affairs. He became a figure of the so-called “Red Terror” of Hungary. Szamuely’s guards became nicknamed the “Lenin Boys” or “Lenin Youth”. They were an element in the heightened political tension and suppression towards counterrevolutionaries and anti-communists. The Lenin Boys’ activities were sometimes aligned with another paramilitary, the Red Guard, led by József Cserny, in which, on an armoured train they travelled the country.[3]

    The foundation for the suppression was given as following by Szamuely in a speech delivered in Győr on April 20, 1919: “Power has fallen into our hands. Those who wish the old regime to return, must be hung without mercy. We must bite the throat of such individuals. The victory of the Hungarian Proletariat has not cost us major sacrifices so far. But now the situation demands that blood must flow. We must not be afraid of blood. Blood is steel: it strengthens our hearts, it strengthens the fist of the Proletariat. Blood will make us powerful. Blood will lead us to the true world of the Commune. We will exterminate the entire bourgeoisie if we have to!”[4]

    .
    AN OUTLAW’S DIARY

    Tibor Szamuelly has been brought up in
    the secret rites of hatred and belongs to an ultra-orthodox
    sect of oriental Jews which is stricter in the observance of
    its ceremonies than any other. The sect of Chesidem Chesidem
    resembles the Hebrews of the Old Testament, grave,
    prejudiced and dark. … In
    the person of Szamuelly the Revolutionary Cabinet has
    found an executioner for the Hungarian people who is
    blood of its blood, soul of its soul.

    Meanwhile Szamuelly’s special train is on the move all
    the time, and wherever it stops there are executions.

    A table was placed in the open, and the prisoners were
    led before Szamuelly one after another. He examined
    nobody and only asked who was possessed of property.
    Then he ordered some to the left and some to the right.
    No witnesses were called : Szamuelly alone represented
    the tribunal. ” To death ! ” he shouted to those on the
    left, and eighty started for the square in front of the church.

    Ignace Fekete, a telegraph operator, was dragged before him. Szamuelly
    inquired why his orders had not been obeyed ? ” Hang
    him ! ” Somebody told him that Fekete was a Jew. He
    made a sign to Kohn-Kerekes : ” Let him go ! ” Jews
    are only hanged by mistake.

  7. @Sparrow

    Frankly, I’ve had a theory (opinion) for many years… i.e. much of the evidence and photos presented at Nuremberg may have actually come from atrocities committed by Jewish Bolsheviks in Ukraine.

    My grandparents emigrated from Ukraine (west of Kiev) in the mid 1920’s. They were from a Prussian colony, and had been invited and granted land by Catherine the Great to bring their agricultural knowledge to greater Russia. Both Russia and Germany had to approve their application to emigrate to America. I still have one of the documents. My grandfather despised Bolsheviks and everything they represented. He got out in 1928, naturalized in USA in 1941… and loved America.

    • Agree: Wally, Trinity
    • Thanks: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Sparrow
    , @utu
    , @Wally
  8. Big Daddy says:

    Propagandized Americans have no clue as to the hell that will ensue if collectivists get their way here. And, yes, it is again Jews and Masons who wish to totally destroy western civilization who lead the way.

  9. Pheasant says:
    @melpol

    Bolshevism was supposed to provide free markets?

  10. Sparrow says:
    @CommonCents

    I’m glad for you CommonCents that your grandparents escaped such unimaginable horrors 🙂
    Passing this on:




    EUROPA: THE LAST BATTLE (2017) – FULL DOCUMENTARY HD

    • Agree: Druid
    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @Iva
  11. the kosher chain-of-command that ran the Holodomor, the communist terror famine in the Ukraine during 1931-33 that killed 5-8 million White Christians, led from Politburo Jew (((Kaganovich))) to NKVD Jew (((Yagoda))) to masses of Jew NKVD officers and Jewish face-to-face torturers and killers. Even a full decade later, the majority of the NKVD officers who carried out the Katyn Forest and other massacres of Polish officer-prisoners were Jews. Somewhere here there’s a (((pattern))).

    one notes that all the chief gun-grabbers in contemporary ‘Murka, (((Soros, Bloomberg, Steyer, et al.))) are also Jews. Because (((they))) fully intend to murder the entire White population. And, from (((Susan Sontag)))’s well-known 1967 remark onward, have bluntly and repeatedly said so.

    as re Nemmersdorf’s pessimistic conclusion:

    the Whites of today are not the Whites who built the great cathedrals or wrote the great symphonies. They are the genetic debris of the largely white-on-white 1914-45 catastrophe and, it so far appears,

    will happily go extinct provided they continue to receive a daily warm shower of Jewbucks on their way to the death pit.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  12. lloyd says: • Website

    Coronavirus, hint hint. Italy with the reputation of the most ill managed, helpless country in Western Europe and the victim of Operation Gladio suddenly manifests itself as an extemely affective police State. “What’s going on guys?” as Woody Alan once put it.>

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Johnwho
  13. utu says:
    @CommonCents

    There were cases when photographs of Soviet atrocities were attributed to Germans.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/battle-for-auschwitz-ii/#comment-3679467

    Germans were engaged in burials of prisoners massacred by NKVD and in exhumations of mass graves that NKVD left behind. Photographs of these events were taken. Strangely some of them were used in the (in-)famous exhibition on Wehrmacht crimes in Germany showing Wehrmacht officers next to mass graves attributing the victims to German crimes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmachtsausstellung

    Polish historian (Bogdan Musial) and a Hungarian historian recognized the pictures and the traveling exhibition had to be cancelled and overhauled. There was an investigation and the matter was hush-hush whitewashed.

  14. Yevardian says:

    Interesting information, but how is the author aiming to do anything but preach to the converted with such a title? Jesus.

  15. JimDandy says:
    @lloyd

    Yeah? Unlike the well-managed inner-cities and public schools of America?

    Now I’m scared. Thx.

    • LOL: Biff
  16. AaronB says:

    Best title ever 🙂

    as a Jew, I love it!

    • Replies: @Art
  17. This shows what it takes to carry out a revolution. 40 years from feudalism to leader in space.

    However, to my mind, kulaks get the wall, plain and simple and humane, this stuff is disgusting.

  18. Johnwho says:
    @lloyd

    Woody Allen never held any attraction for me. Saw him as a poor jokester who had next to no talent. Put him up against George Carlin when he dies and it would be ‘stain on the rug’ against the whole rug of humour. Sorry, woody’s jokes were always for the ‘in’ crowd of idiots whom I did not understand and could not have cared less about. Trouble with ‘in crowd’ humour is that one must learn what to laugh at and what one is not allowed to laught at. Sort of like having a helping of refried shit with every meal. I don’t need some idiot to tell me what is funny. I tried, you know? But it was kind of like learning to eat Korean kimshee and pretending it was actually edible. Do I actually have to subject myself to this? No. Say, ‘No thank you darling. I already have the shits.’
    Humour is about exposing truth in a visceral way and woody never even came close. ‘sss’ ‘sss’ snake in the grass. Lotsa multi-ethnic ‘my-clients-are-victims’ professionals who work the same way. Might even get alarming to be Jewish and realize your ‘victim’ schtick has been copied by other races. Suddenly you aren’t the only victim of a fake holocaust? Picture Jewish priests with yarmulkas fighting with east indian opportunists from Canada in turbans fighting to the death over who has the best right to exploit the white people of Canada. Throw in a few Natives from the NW coast of BC and you will have a memorable scrap alright.
    Natives also have a very earthy sense of humor which would put many hollywood shows to shame, I would bet on the Natives cuz I straight up like them better.

    • Replies: @lloyd
    , @Rogue
  19. There really is only one solution

  20. TKK says:

    Snorting cocaine does not make one psychotic- not by a country mile.

    Gregarious, sexual, motivated, hot blooded, jazzed, wired, ego driven and full of vigor- but not insane.

    Smoking cocaine precut with baking soda, e. g. crack, makes one a fiend and psychotic when the crack runs out. It’s a 3 minute high.

    Many people manage their lives snorting cocaine, especially preternaturally thin ” celebrities”. But , when they smoke it, it rapidly passes the blood/brain barrier and when the resulting euphoria fades, feral base cravings are unleashed for more more more.

    Meth would be my guess for goading an already craven personally to medieval violence. A small amount of meth produces a 12-16 hour high that blooms into sexual deviance, violence and obsessional fixated thought patterns.

    • Replies: @AWM
  21. Wally says:
    @CommonCents

    And to think that millions in the US support Communist-Millionaire-3 houses-Bolshevik Bernie.

    Bernie’s Communist lies about Castro’s Cuba:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/remember_when_they_were_called_communists.html

  22. Adûnâi says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    > “the kosher chain-of-command that ran the Holodomor, the communist terror famine in the Ukraine during 1931-33 that killed 5-8 million White Christians, led from Politburo Jew (((Kaganovich))) to NKVD Jew (((Yagoda))) to masses of Jew NKVD officers and Jewish face-to-face torturers and killers.”

    Dishonest NeoNazi bullshit.

    Why dishonest? Because now Ukraine has lost 20 mil. people, and nobody bats an eye. Whereas Bolshevik Socialist Ukraine prospered and grew for decades and decades. Up untill the Capitalist American Christian LGBT bloodsuckers took power in 1991.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

    • Troll: Lol just lol
    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  23. Adûnâi says:
    @Sparrow

    Europa: The Last Battle and The Greatest Story Never Told are a perfect example of low quality content NeoNazis consume and ask for more.

    Where is in those 10 useless hours full of muh’ Jews exclamations mentioned the small innocuous fact that Aryan people have been worshipping the literal god of the Jews – Jesus – for two millennia? Where? Is it not important enough to stress?

    Instead, it is to the brim full of American hopeless insanity, a spiritual desert – financial system talk! Social change! There is no sense of history, of continuity, of blood and soil, of great personalities! Of countries and of wars, of nations and of classes! No! 10 hours talking about some Jews somewhere taking over some financial sector – I guess, in the 20th century ‘Murka. NeoNazi-feed.

    Where is the fall of Rome? Where is the failure of the ancients? Where is the massacre of Saxony by Charlemagne? The rape and skinning of Hypatia? Where is the praise for the Iberians and the Russians? Where is the scorn for the greed-driven exploitation of the New World that moved Negroes to the lands of the West and wasted Spain? Where is the Judaized Reformation? Where is the Judaized French & American Revolutions?

    One National Socialist film – Jud Süss – has more references to history and culture than the entire 10-hour-long run of this suffocating Charles-Manson-level drivel. Nothing good can come out of America.

    • Replies: @Sparrow
    , @Florin
  24. If one were to scrutinise these claims to the same degree as one does the Holocaust, would they stand up?

    How do we know the descriptions given by the people are actually real or if they are just massive exaggerations?

    Surely there have been mass graves found around Russia and it’s occupied territories containing millions of bodies? Can anyone link me to the sites of these mass graves and pictures showing the 100s of thousands of skeletons and human remains? Many of the sites of the alleged mass graves have had monuments built over then to prevent I dependent surveys.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @jbwilson24
    , @Wally
  25. @melpol

    So, Melpol, little lamb, you are saying 10,000 Jews slaughtered 50,000,000 Russians. Sounds right. Since you are confessing, go all the and save your soul.

  26. Anonymous[939] • Disclaimer says:

    The Cheka was the sword/shield of the revolution necessary to slay enemies.

    This blog post does an excellent job of explaining the history of Russian law.

    You’ll notice there are no easy answers but there is a continuity in Marxism.

    https://eradica.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/old-and-new-gods/

  27. Vojkan says:
    @melpol

    “Free markets combined with a meritocracy is the dream of world Jewry.” I’m curious, you wrote that with a straight face?

  28. Jewish Bolsheviks… it’s ‘dat ‘ole tikkum olam urge again,
    only this time they’re going to make sure that everybody really gets with the program !!!

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  29. Truth3 says:

    Truth needs telling.

    God bless Ron Unz and the author of this article.

  30. @Just Passing Through

    The difference is that there was not a massive propaganda machine to manufacture atrocities on Allied side. They were busy transplanting their deeds onto the Germans. So witness testimony has a lot more credibility. It also comes from Germans, not lying Jews and Easterlings.

  31. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    The Jews are the Chosen People. They could nuke half the Earth and murder 1 trillion goyim and still EVERY JEW AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO HEAVEN. Go to church and learn this.

  32. @Wally

    This is somewhat unrelated but I thought I would ask you since you somewhat of an expert on these things.

    We have been told that the word ‘Nazi’ was invented as a derogatory term by Jewish opponents of the NSDAP, as the word ‘Nazi’ was used at the time to refer to someone who was slow-witted.

    But when I was reading about the Haavara Agreement, I found a photo of a coin minted to commemorate the deal

    [MORE]

    On the right hand side you can see the words NACH PALÄSTINA EIN NAZI FÄHRT which according to Google translate comes out as ‘A Nazi drives go Palestine’ but on reality was closer to ‘A Nazi travels to Palestine’

    Upon later research, this coin was minted as a commemorative souvenir by Joseph Goebbels’ newspaper Der Angriff (as seen on the other side of the coin, which completes the sentence ok the other side of the coin with the words ‘and tells about it in Der Angriff) they even ran articles on this trip to Palestine in the paper.

    So what is up with this? Why were they referring to themselves as ‘Nazi’ when they knew it was a slur? Was it just a playful joke or something else?

    • Replies: @IT'S ME
    , @the shadow
  33. No use. If it is Biden U S A is going to have a president who apologised to Jews for mentioning Shylock in one of his speech. If Trump reads this article he would congratulate the Jews. America is doomed to be slaves of Jews

  34. I’d like to see a Russian/Ukrainian/Polish etc, version of Indiana Jones peer round a corner to get a peek at some bolsheviks, then turn to his fellow adventurer and say with a sense of valid contempt…. “Jews, I hate these guys”

  35. 9593 says:

    It turns out, if indeed Jewish elements are stoking immigration from third-world countries, and raising resentment in minority populations – for the purpose of degrading Gentile solidarity, then there is a surprise. In Sweden, after Barbara Lerner Spectre took action: https://archive.org/details/EuropeWillNotSurvive the immigrant refugees came with an impression that Jews were the cause of their exile from the middle east and Afghanistan. Now the Jewish community of Malmo is terrorized by anger over events in Palestine:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/opinion/sweden-antisemitism-jews.html

    In Jersey City, New Jersey, the anger of the black population is raised by predatory behavior of Hasidic Jews “invading” the Greenville neighborhood:

    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2019/12/20/jersey-city-shooting-exposes-tensions-greenville-neighborhood/2697926001/

    https://christiansfortruth.com/how-jews-in-jersey-city-started-a-turf-war-that-culminated-in-a-mass-shooting-at-a-kosher-deli/

    As far as I know, the offending board member has NOT resigned, and is supported by fellow board members.

    Briefly, the “minorities” seem not to be universally charmed by the manipulations of Blacks against, Hispanics against, Asians against – – Whitey. We should not bulk-underestimate people who we really don’t know in detail.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  36. Emslander says:

    This shows the importance of widespread gun ownership in the United States. Even the thought that a farmhouse might be protected with a twelve guage is a strong deterrent. The first Cheka in should expect evisceration.

    • Agree: Mike P
  37. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Wally, how about American Thinker, which you link to, being a Jewish disinfo psy op itself? Its About page has been scrubbed from what I can see and apparently because perceptive readers drew attention to its earlier boast in so many words that whatever it reports must favorably influence American conservatives’ attitude toward Israel and the Jews. That’s about as straightforward a boast of being propaganda as you’ll find. In my case I became suspicious this was the case after noticing a distinct pattern of whitewashing Jewish complicity in articles written by their stable of nonJewish lackeys. It made American Thinker seem like a copycat of straightforward Jewish propaganda sites, such as National Review, American Spectator, and First Things.

    Just yesterday, I think it was, Pat Buchanan had some article whose omissions regarding Jewish influence are quite equivalent to shilling for International Jewry and Israel. Fox News, of course, is the most egregious example. It not merely whitewashes organized Jewry’s ownership of the Bolshevik horrors, but functions as a platform for the biological and intellectual descendants of those same Bolsheviks who apparently appear at will on any show at any time.

    Fox News, it should be obvious, uses that nauseating Country Western, flag-waving jingoism to encapsulate the lethal-for-America Israel-first meme. Ironically it’s coming from Trotskyites who run the talking heads, who in the former case were just yesterday calling our beleaguered troops in Vietnam “baby killers” when they knew that in 99 out of 100 cases those troops were bending over backwards to help the locals with food and medical supplies. But, no problem for the sort of blockhead who used to take notes watching former circus clown Glenn Beck.

    The irony is that we’re slated for a repeat here of what happened there when this upending or reality is whitewashed by Conservatism Inc and the Republican Party and our patriots are officially categorized as terrorists while the actual Jewish terrorists behind 9/11 control the government because of the complicity of Conservatism Inc. Écraser l’infamie républicaine!

    • Agree: ANZ
  38. @9593

    An interesting article by a prominent Jew on American demographic change, he seems to be having some reservations about it;

    https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography

    Details about Steinlight’s background;

    https://cis.org/Steinlight

  39. AWM says:
    @TKK

    TKK, I’m not disagreeing with you but enough “snorting” of high grade street cocaine can make you functionally insane and schizophrenic.

    I remember an amusing story from Gary, an old associate who was a very successful but ultimately tragic mid level dealer.
    Years before he got busted he had gotten so strung out the paranoias had set in pretty intensely.
    He had gotten so certain the Police were coming to get him one night that he took 5 kilos to the bathroom and was selectively crushing and snorting rocks while he methodically flushed the powder.
    He came to a realization when he reached the point where he said to himself, “Hell, if they don’t hurry up I’m not going to have any left!”

  40. Richard B says:
    @Sparrow

    Without research into the truth the reader is left with jew guilt projected lies onto the guiltless.

    Now that’s a quotable!

    It certainly accounts for a good chunk of White people.

    And Holy Mother of Pearl are they clueless. They’re also dangerous.

    But, unfortunately, not just to themselves, but to their children, grandchildren, and the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  41. Richard B says:
    @melpol

    Where’s the

    JIDF Troll

    button when you need it?

    • Agree: Druid
  42. Richard B says:
    @Richard B

    Just for the record, I’m a aware that there is an important distinction between the truly guiltless and the absolutely clueless.

    The latter being a great danger to the former.

    Especially since the clueless are often the very ones willing to go along to get along.

    Which means, of course, throwing the truly guiltless under the bus in order to protect their own opportunistic trough.

  43. The Jew nurses grievance unlike anyone else for his guidebook is the Old Testament (an eye for an eye) while the foolish Christian is told to turn the other cheek.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  44. The Russian movie The Chekist is (or was) available in its entirety on Youtube.

    I mention this only because of two things: (1) it vividly details the horror and arbitrariness of “murder by quota” and (2) it actually portrays the man who heads the local Cheka sympathetically (!!!)

    As for a Jewish-run pogrom in North America, it seems unlikely. The wisdom of Etienne de la Boetie’s Discourses on Voluntary Servitude from 500 years ago still applies; the widespread consent necessary to staff-up a Leftist system that repressive is utterly absent in (at least) the USA today. On the other hand, the sentiment to staff-up a Rightist regime that would invert the Who-Whom of Lenin’s Bolshevism is widespread. The mascots and darlings of The Left are those who would be on the receiving end of any kind of mass rage.

    Americans are used to ease and comfort. Take that away (for example, when this 40-60 year period of monetary madness and debt peonage finally ends in the greatest collapse of debt-based wealth ever recorded) and the search for scapegoats and those on whom to release rage-driven violence is most likely to locate the very people who actually ran the Big Con Game (and their pets.)

    And every month the NCIS “instant background check” system hits new records as a populace already better-armed than most entire nation-states adds to its armory.

    PS: People always worry about/fight the last war. In this regard, people today worry about monetary inflation even though the last 40 years witnessed the greatest credit inflation (and ensuing asset market bubble) ever recorded…even in fiction…, and people worry about the descendants of the Ashkenazim taking over when, in fact, they already did (via stealth and con-artistry, not violent revolution.) I strongly suspect that Peak Credit Inflation of today is parallel to Peak Dominance by those of Ashkenazi descent. Today people appear willing to pay $100 for a bond that promises to pay them $100 in thirty years. That’s pretty much pinning the needle on “peak.” It may not yet be over, but there’s not much more room above before debt prices simply reach escape velocity and head off toward Saturn.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Corvinus
    , @Adûnâi
  45. Hans says:
    @melpol

    Dat’s right, Mel, AND he left out da Six Gorillion who wuz lampshaded and soaped. My mother got soaped instantly after giving birth to me at the Def Camp. These lying goyim kill me.

  46. Che Guava says:

    Great article in many ways. The German NS Gestapo also adopted their style of clothing from that.

    The world would be a better place if the axis had won.

    I would add that the examples of leather-clad commisars are myriad, and that the rape of Slavonic (and Hungarian) women was re-intensified by Israeli human traffickimg after the Cold War.

    The U.S. Dept. nf State correctly listed Israel as a major force in hnman traffickimg, years ago. Of course, they were forced to rescind ij by your slave-like pnliticians.

    I have perronally witnessed (not the physical details, but the process) of a gang rape by Israeli Jews of a clearly drugged Japanese girl. I was too naive to have worked out what was really happening at the time.

    Only the next day.

    One of the greatest regrets in my life is not having run to the police to report it, before they finished.

    Soon after, our govt., which had been tolerant of post-conscription Israelis doing illegal work and
    trade, particularly in MDA and MDMA, some forms of canabbis, and their tactic of dumping passports, then going to the embasry in Thailand to get a new one, cracked down.

    Good.

  47. Ak. -O. says:

    Some aspects of the butcheries described in your article are very similar to the butcheries of the Odessa massacre organized by Nuland and friends in Ukraine a few years ago.

    The pictures of the Odessa massacre, which Facebook, now owned partially by NATO, censured.

  48. @Anonymous

    American Thinker – Thomas Lifson, Jew
    Breitbart – “The #1 pro-Israel website in the world” according to Jew editor-in-chief Joel Pollak
    Drudge Report – Matt Drudge, gay Jew
    Gateway Pundit – Jim Hoft, Jew
    Ace of Spades HQ – Ace, Jew; JJ Sefton, Jew; CBD, Jew; Weird Dave, Jew
    Frontpage Magazine – David Horowitz, Jew
    Daily Wire – Ben Shapiro, Jew
    Unz Review – Ron Unz, Jew
    Even Daily Stormer – rumor is Anglin’s a Jew; Weev for sure is.

    There are only a handful of “conservative” sites that aren’t run by Jews: Russia Insider, Benjamin Fulford, Jim Stone, Moon Over Alabama.

    I’m permanently banned at Breitbart for noticing all of their stories (which are exclusively designed to roil the deplorables and divide us) feature Jewish antagonists. I went through their front page one day pointing this out and was banned thereafter.

    Lifson @ AT is sneakier. Any deleterious comment simply disappears. I mentioned Jews hate free speech, and ironically my free speech comment never showed up.

    Permanently banned at Frontage. Temporary bans at Ace. “Gulag” bans at American Conservative.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  49. This is what zionists/ communists/ bolsheviks do and if they get our guns, we will all be put up against the wall.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  50. @Sparrow

    I feel, in this context, it might be interesting to review an excerpt from a book I once happened to come across, by an obscure German political writer in the 1920s, which touches on these same events in Russia at the time. From what I gather, this fellow, one Adolphus Schicklgruber, was apparently a somewhat crankish character in some respects, and sounds a little anti-Semitic at times, so we shouldn’t necessarily endorse everything he writes in his book (published in 1925 as “My Struggle: A Reckoning”). Certainly he blames the Jews for Communism, something that many eminent scholars have since worked to debunk as a conspiracy theory. Nonetheless, it’s interesting to compare these impressions by a contemporary to what we can now discern from the historical record a hundred years later. I offer the following strictly as a historical document:

    [MORE]

    Here the Jew’s procedure is as follows:

    He approaches the worker, simulates pity with his fate, or even indignation at his lot of misery and poverty, thus gaining his confidence. He takes pains to study all the various real or imaginary hardships of his life-and to arouse his longing for a change in such an existence. With infinite shrewdness he fans the need for social justice, somehow slumbering in every Aryan man, into hatred against those who have been better favored by fortune, and thus gives the struggle for the elimination of social evils a very definite philosophical stamp. He establishes the Marxist doctrine.

    By presenting it as inseparably bound up with a number of socially just demands, he promotes its spread and conversely the aversion of decent people to fulfill demands which, advanced in such form and company, seem from the outset unjust and impossible to fulfill. For under this cloak of purely social ideas truly diabolic purposes are hidden, yes, they are publicly proclaimed with the most insolent frankness. This theory represents an inseparable mixture of reason and human madness, but always in such a way that only the lunacy can become reality and never the reason. By the categorical rejection of the personality and hence of the nation and its racial content, it destroys the elementary foundations of all human culture which is dependent on just these factors. This is the true inner kernel of the Marxist philosophy in so far as this figment of a criminal brain can be designated as a ‘philosophy.’ With the shattering of the personality and the race, the essential obstacle is removed to the domination of the inferior being–and this is the Jew.

    (…)

    The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self-preservation begun by Freemasonry in the circles of the so-called intelligentsia is transmitted to the broad masses and above all to the bourgeoisie by the activity of the big papers which today are always Jewish. Added to these two weapons of disintegration comes a third and by far the most terrible, the organization of brute force. As a shock and storm troop, Marxism is intended to finish off what the preparatory softening up with the first two weapons has made ripe for collapse.

    (…)

    While from innate cowardice the upper classes turn away from a man whom the Jew attacks with lies and slander, the broad masses from stupidity or simplicity believe everything. The state authorities either cloak themselves in silence or, what usually happens, in order to put an end to the Jewish press campaign, they persecute the unjustly attacked, which, in the eyes of such an official ass, passes as the preservation of state authority and the safeguarding of law and order.

    Slowly fear of the Marxist weapon of Jewry descends like a nightmare on the mind and soul of decent people.

    They begin to tremble before the terrible enemy and thus have become his final victim.

    (…)

    And in politics he [still “the Jew”] begins to replace the idea of democracy by the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    In the organized mass of Marxism he has found the weapon which lets him dispense with democracy and in its stead allows him to subjugate and govern the peoples with a dictatorial and brutal fist.

    (…)

    In economics he undermines the states until the social enterprises which have become unprofitable are taken from the state and subjected to his financial control.

    In the political field he refuses the state the means for its self-preservation, destroys the foundations of all national self-maintenance and defense, destroys faith in the leadership, scoffs at its history and past, and drags everything that is truly great into the gutter.

    Culturally he contaminates art, literature, the theater, makes a mockery of natural feeling, overthrows all concepts of beauty and sublimity, of the noble and the good, and instead drags men down into the sphere of his own base nature.

    Religion is ridiculed, ethics and morality represented as outmoded, until the last props of a nation in its struggle for existence in this world have fallen.

    Now begins the great last revolution. In gaining political power, the Jew casts off the few cloaks that he still wears. The democratic people’s Jew becomes the blood-Jew and tyrant over peoples. In a few years he tries to exterminate the national intelligentsia and by robbing the peoples of their natural intellectual leadership makes them ripe for the slave’s lot of permanent subjugation.

    The most frightful example of this kind is offered by Russia, where he killed or starved about thirty million people with positively fanatical savagery, in part amid inhuman tortures, in order to give a gang of Jewish journalists and stock exchange bandits domination over a great people.

    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @Malla
    , @Alexandros
  51. ANZ says:

    It’s very disturbing that an obscenely wealthy, influential and powerful faction of world Jewry hates whites and covets the wealth that whites have built. The hatred is pathological and religiously sanctioned through the Talmud and rabbinical tradition. They control world finance to enslave the goyim for their benefit. If a nation decides to not play along and buck the usury system, the Jews don’t send in Jew armies. They just sick one group of Goy countries against another and sit back as they destroy one another. What do gentile lives matter to them? Get rich and destroy the West.

    This is a real dystopian nightmare. The same types of Jews that ran the early Soviet Union are running the West. Different tactics but the same result. Whites get hosed and dispossessed of their present and future. It’s Weimar 2.0. We need some Weimar solutions to unscrew ourselves.

    • Replies: @Jake
  52. Mulegino1 says:

    This is why revisionism is so important.

    There is no need to quibble about numbers of victims. The Soviet system- particularly when it was under the Jewish boot heel- was murderous. The only significant mass graves to have been found were of the victims of the NKVD or Cheka.

    National Socialism and Fascism, on the other hand, were not so. The latter could be brutal, at times- as liberal democracy could be and certainly was- but they were not characterized by homicidal intent.

    The so called “Holocaust” has been falsified, yet its proponents continue to redefine it and turn it into a kind of pop -up game. When it is evident that the homicidal mass gas chambers never existed, then there must have been a “Holocaust by bullets” which occurred “on the Eastern Front.” When Dachau and Belsen were shown to have been mere penal camps (and not “death camps”) it was necessary to invent the myth of Auschwitz and Majdanek thanks to Soviet propaganda. Since the idea of mass murder at these venues has been shown to be false, the venues of the alleged mass murders have to be moved farther east. One will hardly be surprised if Imperial Japan ultimately gets the blame for the fake Jewish pogroms.

    In the meantime, Jewry continues to bask in the glow of its innocence and its chronic “righteous victimhood.”

    • Agree: Mike P
  53. Trinity says:

    My, my, my, those poor Jews. Wonder if the Jews will talk about this on the HitlerChannel aka HistoryChannel? Will Spielberg make a movie about this event? Maybe rapist Harvey Weinstein can contact someone from his jail cell in Hellywood and see about making a movie about Ukrainians getting revenge on these sadistic Jews by bashing their skulls in with a baseball bat, you know, just like Weinstein did in that movie, “Inglorious Basterds” where he had a Jew bashing in the skulls of Nazis. I mean what is good for the goose is certainly good for the gander, right?

    I think most of the people who post on this site are well aware of the Jewish role in the Holodomor and who ran the torture chambers known as gulags. We are also well aware of how many European women were raped at the hands of those who controlled the reigns of power in Bolshevik run Soviet Union. Not only the 2 million or so German women during and after WWII but countless Polish, Russian, Ukrainian women, etc., were raped by these animals.

    This should be MANDATORY LEARNING in our schools. Better yet, share this article with one of your Christian Zionist friends out there or one of those Israel is our “bestest” best friend forever and ever type of morons.

    • Agree: Desert Fox, Vaterland
  54. @Just Passing Through

    “If one were to scrutinise these claims to the same degree as one does the Holocaust, would they stand up?”

    Bwahahha, the omnipresent scrutinization of the Holocaust… all those well funded ‘critical holocaust studies’ scholars at the Ivy Leagues, deconstructing the official narrative.

    Put it this way, the evidence for the Holocaust (TM) is all based on witness testimony. There are no documents detailing any mass extermination campaign, and we all know about the physical evidence (wooden doors on the gas chambers, etc).

    Therefore, the claims made in this article are at least as well supported, since there is witness testimony. There are also official statements by Bolshevik leaders about the necessity of imposing starvation and other ills on the populace.

    I don’t know if Russia has engaged in forensic work in order to investigate this sort of thing. I suspect not, but that doesn’t mean that there are no mass graves, photographs or other relevant artefacts lying around. It wouldn’t be a priority for the government, and the populace is pretty apathetic. It would be interesting to see what Russian historians have been working on.

    I seem to recall a mass grave was uncovered recently in the East, when a farmer or landowner was excavating land.

  55. @Monotonous Languor

    “Ye Olde Oded Yinon Plan” is for the whole wide world, the stupid gentiles misunderstood. It’s gone a bit awry in our ME neighborhood but in the US of A and Western Europe it’s been a tremendous success. /S

  56. Pandour says: • Website

    Unbelievable how many arm-chair illiterates here flippantly comment on Bolshevik crimes,even condoning them.The mental diagnosis of nearly all Bolshevik leaders shows that they were degenerates.Case in point,Professor Timofeie Florinsky of Kiev University,was brought before the so-called Revolutionary Tribunal in 1918 and spontaneously shot by one of the so-called judges for giving,quote,unquote,an irritating reply to a question.The murderous Commissar,Rosa Schwartz,a former prostitute,was drunk.

  57. ANZ says:
    @John Regan

    From what I gather, this fellow, one Adolphus Schicklgruber, was apparently a somewhat crankish character in some respects, and sounds a little anti-Semitic at times, so we shouldn’t necessarily endorse everything he writes in his book

    It is precisely because he “sounds a little anti-Semitic at times” that we should pay MORE attention to what he writes. Naming the Jew is critically important in serious political discourse.

  58. Caterina says:

    This website has an unmistakable and odious hatred for Jews. You make me sick, trying to camouflage your antisemitism behind a news site. Sickos!

  59. Malla says:
    @John Regan

    Wow, this Schicklgruber guy, whoever he was, was a genius and understood how the world really works. Why has this name not been more famous?

    something that many eminent scholars have since worked to debunk as a conspiracy theory.

    Anything which criticizes the holy Jews is obvious conspiracy theory, we all know that. Why do people only make such dumb theories about Jews? Why not such theories about the Masai of Kenya? or Eskimoes up north? Or the Tamils of India? Why only the Jews? Very Strange, no?

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  60. Mulegino1 says:

    This website has an unmistakable and odious hatred for Jews. You make me sick, trying to camouflage your antisemitism behind a news site. Sickos!

    This website is run by a Jew- albeit a righteous one.

    Antisemitism is a necessary immunological response of any healthy and vigorous society and culture against Jewry’s attempts to subvert it and overturn it. When the behavior of organized Jewry stops becoming subversive and toxic to its host societies, then perhaps antisemitism will stop being an issue. The ball is in the court of the Jews, not in any others’. Learn to get along with your host societies and not subvert them- that is the remedy for antisemitism.

    • Agree: Dannyboy, Miro23
  61. I read his article and the other ones about the WEATHERMAN. Really scary stuff. Chesa Boudin was elected in San Fran as D.A. The son of 2 of the convicts and who was then raised by 2 other Weatherman.

    The Radicalization of every big city in USA via D.A. office and Mayors. Chicago has Rahm Emanuel (who can be considered a radical) who was Chief of Staff for both Obama and Clinton. Obama has links to Weatherman Bill Ayers as does Hillary (and maybe bill).

    The connections start adding up and show that the “Weatherman” never really dissolved but morphed into something more strong and devious.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
  62. Rod says:

    This monument, “Bitter Memories of Childhood” in Regina Saskatchewan is understated and fuels the anger in my soul for what these Bolshevik Jews have done to European culture.

    In 2015, the Regina branch of the Ukrainian Canadian Congress undertook a special project to commemorate the millions of lives that were lost in the famine-genocide (Holodomor) in Ukraine in 1932-1933.
    https://tinyurl.com/sxxznm3

  63. @John Regan

    I know you are being sarcastic, but calling him Schicklgruber is a gross insult.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  64. Trinity says:

    And lest we forget that so-called, “anti-Semitism” was a crime in the Bolshevik led Soviet Union.

    And so Hitler was “evil” for trying to prevent this same takeover from happening in Germany? Was not Hitler and the German people allowed to defend themselves against psychotic racists bent on their destruction and protect the German women from being raped by Jewish communists?

    You definitely can see this same sort of thing happening right now in America and Europe. IF you don’t learn from history you are indeed doomed to repeat it. Thanks to Mr. Unz and the author of this article and other writers on this website, the truth is getting out there. People, share this website with your friends, relatives, whomever, I happened upon this site by chance a few months back and this is by far the best site out there for the TRUTH IMO.

    • Replies: @Hans
  65. AaronB says:

    Leather-Jacketed Coke-Snorting Jews in the Soviet Secret Police Torturing, Raping and Killing Gentiles: the Evidence

    By far the best headline on Unz ever!

    This is undoubtedly “peak Unz” – my only regret is, where do you go from here? You can’t get any better than perfection.

    But keep it coming Unz 🙂

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  66. Hans says:
    @Caterina

    The goyim definitely hate lies. Can you comment on Ovadia Yosef et al’s commentary on non-jews?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/

    Here’s one for starters:

    “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.” – Ovadia Yosef

  67. Anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @dc.sunsets

    Very well said and right on target, except for the part that it can’t happen here when the Ashkenazim have a greater hatred of Americans than they did of Russians.

  68. Anon[188] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe some people want a societal collapse because they have already arranged themselves into a urban military unit ready (for example, antifa, a cheka-like organization) to enact abuse on people they dont like come the revolution and/or a breakdown. Hence the cheerleading for insane numbers of refugees to produce this state of affairs.

    This its why its important whites are prepared to quickly congeal into grouos in case something bad occurs society-wide

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @refl
  69. Hans says:
    @Trinity

    Mr. Unz is a true American and global hero. Bravo, sir!

    • Agree: Trinity
  70. lloyd says: • Website
    @Johnwho

    This is a bit off track. But that was an “incrowd” statement by Woody addressed to the New York Times concerning Palestine. I agree with you about the “Natives”. In New Zealand, the Maori activists are very often hilarious comedians who can take a joke. I once replied to a Maori activist on Facebook with, “One day, we will all love Big Maori.” He returned a laughing meme. Once Jews perceive themselves under attack, all their humour disappears and they turn into the most dour humourless bullying crowd. Waititi, the famous New Zealand film director of Bo Rabbit is half Maori half Jew. He is about as funny as Woody. That is you don’t really laugh much but you remember.

  71. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caterina

    Can you refute the claims? No?

    Thanks for playing. Your fear and rage are noted.

  72. Truth3 says:
    @melpol

    Ten thousand Jews cannot be blamed for the crimes of fifty million Russians in a civil war.

    Wow.

    What a shithead liar you are.

    When you die, and they send you to Hell, your job will be to lick Yakov Sverdlov’s ass all day long.

    He hasn’t bathed since 1919.

    Enjoy.

  73. Jake says:

    One reason that so many Jews have made a religion out of endless telling, and often exaggerating, the atrocities of Nazis is that they know how much terror Jewish Marxists have committed.

    Jews are masters at deflecting their own guilt by pointing at the presumed guilt of others.

  74. Jake says:
    @ANZ

    Weimar solutions? Weimar solutions were miserable failures.

    Secularism fails, miserably. Any European paganism will fail. Anglpo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy, which all you need to know to know why WASP culture will always be pro-Jewish, even when its Elites pretend otherwise.

    It is either Christendom or several specific options all of which serve Jewish interests.

    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @Art
  75. Dannyboy says:
    @Desert Fox

    After they rape and murder your women and children while you watch, of course.

  76. annamaria says:
    @Really No Shit

    The Russian tragedy, known as the Bolshevik Revolution, is also a story of the incredible tolerance and forgiveness that Russians have shown towards the Jewish destroyers of Russain culture and Russian people. As a result of the Jewish Terror in Russia, the Russians had lost the best among the population: the Russian Orthodox clergy, productive peasantry, academicians, officer corps, and aristocracy. The losses were gigantic, in millions of human beings, and the genetic pool had suffered irreparably. https://www.defendevropa.com/2018/culture/100-years-later-why-they-killed-the-romanovs/ https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a8072/russian-tsar-execution/

    The execution of the Romanov Family was ordered by the central government in Moscow – the ruling Central Committee was 80% Jewish – and communicated to the local Soviet in Ekaterinburg. The deed itself was carried out by a squad led by Yakov Yurovsky, a brutal local Cheka commander…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Yurovsky

    Yakov Yurovsky was the chief executioner of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, his family, and four retainers on the night of 16 July 1918. The Yurovsky family were Jewish.

    Jews still do not get it how lucky they were by protecting themselves, for many years, with lies and whining while exploiting the goodwill of people of western civilization. It is long overdue for synagogues worldwide to announce a day of repentance for the enormous crimes committed by Jewish Bolsheviks against Russians. The activists of the AIPAC, ADL, Friends of Israel and such must be reminded constantly about the Jewish crimes in Russia.

    Here is another evidence of the tolerance of Russians towards the ingrateful Jews: “The Powerful Moscow Rabbi Who Wants Draconian Censorship of Any Criticism of Jews:” https://russia-insider.com/en/powerful-moscow-rabbi-who-wants-draconian-censorship-any-criticism-jews/ri28394

    Goldschmidt called on governments around the globe to regulate social media to avoid what he calls ‘its misuse’. This would make it a crime to expose holocaust related fraud and Zionist atrocities committed against Palestinians and other non-Jews. …

    Undeniably, Jews have enjoyed a virtual monopoly on the press and media for the last 100 years, but the free internet changed all that. The last thing Jews involved in malpractice want is an open, level playing field of public opinion because they know they will lose.

    An observer says, ‘they have it completely backwards: that so-called hate speech is still allowed in social media is proof that democracy is still alive and well. If all criticism of Jewish malpractice is removed, there is no democracy, there is only totalitarianism.’

    But we are dealing with a Jewish definition of democracy here. And in a Jewish form of democracy, any criticism of Jews is strictly forbidden, outlawed, and preferably a jailable offense.

    Russia, Poland, and Germany should demand from the Jewish Community at large the acknowledgment of the Jewish crimes, particularly considering the enormous amount of lies and hatred that have been directed towards the real victims, the Russians, Poles, and Germans

  77. Anonymous[487] • Disclaimer says:

    Incomplete work. “200 Years Together”, needed. Greatest 20th Century writer Alexandor
    Solzhenitsyn.

  78. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    MoA isn’t conservative, he’s a lefty, although his principled discussions of American foreign policy should be embraced by traditional, non-interventionist rightists.

  79. The most revealing part of this article, and any such discussion of the terror introduced by the Bolshevik Jews, is that the author(s) lead the readers to “Wikipedia” for additional reading on any individual that is mentioned. At such a link one can learn all about the rumored and totally fictitious passive events in the life of the Marxist operative in question. The “Wiki” version will make no reference to or mention of, the monstrous behavior of the Bolshevik being discussed. But even more importantly – there will only rarely, if ever, be a notation that the butcher in question was a Jew. When I click on such a link and am presented with a Wikipedia page, I’ve learned to close the link immediately – recognizing Zionist-organized disinformation for what it is.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  80. ANZ says:
    @Jake

    That’s not a fair assessment. Germany had 6 war free years under NSDAP leadership, during which time unprecedented economic and cultural revival took place. The next 6 years were
    marked by world war.

    The claim that solutions enacted during that time were miserable failures cannot be supported. In fact, the 180 degree turnaround in a few years time seems evidence that the program were effective. But we will never know their long term success since they were crushed in their infancy.

  81. Sparrow says:
    @Adûnâi

    lol….coming from a jew handle ‘Adunai’ which translated in Hebrew (LORD)! No shame extends your legacy. BTW…Jews are not ‘Hebrews’…they have stolen yet again what is not theirs. Assuming I’m stupid admits your arrogance.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  82. BAP says:

    The German Stasi was full of jews and did the same, the current Jew World Order, the Catholic Church and many other cases of the retarded normie masses sustaining jews on power and letting them do everything they want (including screwing the retards who help them maintain power).

  83. @Adûnâi

    first, the Jews killed the rural middle class. Then (post 1990)

    (((they))) killed the urban birthrate. This aside, it’s true

    that post-WW2 communism spared the SU from

    the Kosher Culture of Death: legal abortion, porn, sexperv, Judeo-“feminism”.

    once post-Jew communism collapsed, in poured the (((filth))).

  84. @Versengetorix

    compare English-language wiki to Russian wiki re the Red Jewess Zemlyachka @

    http://seductivejewess4.org/type-iii-f107-rozalia-sarah-zemlyachka

  85. Kanata says:

    What’s going on in Canada? Wasn’t this country allied against Hitler?

    “Foreign Minister Stephane Dion announced $8.1 million for the NPU, which replaced the former regime’s police. Canada has provided the force with thousands of uniforms and cameras and helped establish the country’s first national police academy.”


    Neo-Nazi’s arrest highlights Ottawa’s support for Ukrainian far right

    https://yvesengler.com/

  86. Iva says:

    It is sad, but it is a fact, that Jews who lived for hundreds of years in some countries felt no connection to that country. In Poland every time there was a up rise against occupying forces they always stood with occupant. They collaborated and gave away the participants of up rise. After World War II Poles faces a different occupant – communists who with a great pleasure killed and tortured thousands of Poles. There is a Jew name Stefan Michnik, who lives now in Sweden, who is responsible for thousands of lives of Poles . Poland demanded his extradition, but Sweden refuse. In England lived a very cruel Jewish women who tortured Poles. Poland could not get her expedited to face the justice. Same as in Russia after revolution, in Poland after WWII, Jews were majority in oppressive forces. The most famous one was Witold Pilecki, who let himself to be caught by Germans, taken to Auschwitz, escape and told the world what is going on in the camp. After WWII was imprisoned, tortured and killed by communists, most of them were Jewish. After WWII all people in power were Jewish or married to a Jew. Dzerzhinsky was married to a Jewish woman. Knowing from personal life what Russian Gulags were, I can imagine that after so many years Dzerzhinsky spend there it could have mental affect on him.  Russian revolution would not be possible without western bankers. Even the fact that American Red Cross went to St. Petersburg in June and left in November, after Lenin took aver the power, is very significant.  I am in process of reading Slozenicyn’s book “Two hundreds years together”. I hope to have even bigger picture of how Russian/Jewish relations were over 200 years.  

    • Replies: @ivan
  87. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    “Take that away (for example, when this 40-60 year period of monetary madness and debt peonage finally ends in the greatest collapse of debt-based wealth ever recorded) and the search for scapegoats and those on whom to release rage-driven violence is most likely to locate the very people who actually ran the Big Con Game (and their pets.)”.

    You are only speculating here, per usual. Why should we be astonished?

  88. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Best title ever 🙂

    as a Jew, I love it!

    Hey screw lose – make a joke about this!

    Israel Pharmaceutical Firms Test Medicines on Palestinian Prisoners

    Israeli Professor Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian revealed yesterday that the Israeli occupation authorities issues permits to large pharmaceutical firms to carry out tests on Palestinian and Arab prisoners, Felesteen.ps reported.

    The Hebrew University lecturer also revealed that the Israeli military firms are testing weapons on Palestinian children and carry out these tests in the Palestinian neighbourhoods of occupied Jerusalem

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-pharmaceutical-firms-test-medicines-on-palestinian-prisoners/5669606

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  89. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Maybe some people want a societal collapse because they have already arranged themselves into a urban military unit ready (for example, antifa, a cheka-like organization) to enact abuse on people they dont like come the revolution and/or a breakdown.”

    No. We would have heard about those groups in some way, shape, or form. I do note that there are a number of fine posters here who generally talk about how the hordes have crashed the gates and we are being inundated…but want someone else to take them out, or say it’s not the right time, or that waiting is best for now. Either there is a direct threat or there is not a direct threat.

  90. @Caterina

    ‘This website has an unmistakable and odious hatred for Jews. You make me sick, trying to camouflage your antisemitism behind a news site. Sickos!’

    Not speaking for myself, but many here would resent the slur that they’re trying to camouflage anything.

    The anti-semites here are quite frank about it. All better now?

  91. @Art

    ‘Hey screw lose – make a joke about this!’

    Aaron won’t respond.

  92. Art says:
    @Jake

    It is either Christendom or several specific options all of which serve Jewish interests.

    Without Christian idealism America is going to die – period!

    There can be not good without idealism — without cultural Christian goodness – ruthlessness will prevail. Look at the anti-Christ Jew slime that rules America.

  93. Iva says:

    ” Kapo “ by Tor Ben Mayor why I cannot find this documentary in English version?????

  94. lavoisier says: • Website
    @annamaria

    Russia, Poland, and Germany should demand from the Jewish Community at large the acknowledgment of the Jewish crimes, particularly considering the enormous amount of lies and hatred that have been directed towards the real victims, the Russians, Poles, and Germans

    No chance for that happening in Germany. They put old men and women in jail who dare to question the holocaust narrative. A truly cucked-up nation if there ever was one.

    And very sad that.

    The destruction of Germany was not just a physical destruction. It was also a spiritual destruction.

  95. @Corvinus

    You are only cucking here, per usual. Why should we be astonished?

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  96. Everything you say is true. But you left out the part about eating Blood Matzos, which we had to cancel this year because of Coronavirus.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Hans
  97. FRITZ says:

    What an article to start the day off! Then tonight I heard about Soviet propaganda posters which said “remember it’s wrong to eat your children” saw these graphic images horrible horrible

  98. Art says:
    @Caterina

    This website has an unmistakable and odious hatred for Jews. You make me sick, trying to camouflage your antisemitism behind a news site. Sickos!

    You are conning us — hear is the reason for anti-Semitism all over the world – the vicious treatment of the Palestinians by Jews.

    We refuse to accept your propaganda – we have eyes – we see your evil.

    A 15 year-old boy this time – this goes on day after day – by screw lose Israeli Jews (with your help).

    Israeli Forces Kill Palestinian Teenager near Nablus

    A Palestinian teen was killed on Wednesday by Israeli gunfire during confrontations that broke out at Mount Al-‘Arma, south of Nablus, Palestinian Health Ministry announced.

    The Ministry announced that Mohammad Hamayel, 15, succumbed to his critical injury at the Rafida Government Hospital after being hit in the head with a round of live ammunition shot by Israeli forces at Mount Al-‘Arma, also known in Arabic as Jabal al-‘Arma.

    https://alethonews.com/2020/03/11/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-teenager-near-nablus/

    The fix is idealistic Christianity.

  99. AaronB says:
    @Blood Drinking Jew

    Wait, its cancelled?!

    No one told me about that.

    I was really excited this year – developed a new sausage recipe specifically for gentile blood. Yum – you all would have loved it.

    Whoever’s in charge has got to do a better job letting people know if plans change.

    I even singled out the exact gentile whose blood I wanted to drink! Now he gets to live another year. Great. Just great.

  100. IT'S ME says:
    @Just Passing Through

    “Almost everything you think to know is a lie” NAtionalZIonist -For example Eichmann was a NAZIonist and several times an honored guest in Palestine – he spoke Jiddisch . . .

  101. @Just Passing Through

    Actually, the Nazi reference is to the first word of the name of the party. The addreviation of the full name was NSDAP which stood for “Nationalistische, Socialistische, Deutsche Arbeits Partei” which in English meant “National, German, Socialist, Workers Party. “Nazi” was how the first four letters of the first word are pronounced in German.

    Although I have not checked how the “Nazi” reference was used to characterise the party, it is certainly possible that it was used as a derogatory reference to belittle its members when it was still very weak and its program was a mish mash of conflicting ideologies as its name suggested. That, however, certainly changed once it became powerful, and its members were certainly no longer ashamed, if not proud to call themselves Nazis.

    • Replies: @IT'S ME
  102. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Not a direct threat while numbers are insufficient. When there are enough of them, and the economy goes through a recession/depression, conditions on the ground can quickly change.

    Frankly, I think you are a far-left type judging by your posts.

  103. ooooo, those super scary Jew communists again!

    I’ve still heard no story that made sense to explain how these few thousand Jewish warriors managed to conquer Russia in a few years, also fighting against the armies of a dozen or so other advanced nations including Europeans and America. Something that America and Europe NATO are still trying and failing to accomplish now a century later. Even Napoleon failed. Hitler failed.

    How in the world did these infamous Jews accomplish this? They need the most advanced and well funded military in the world today to defend them from rock throwing Palestinian teens and grannies, yet they took out the Tsar and Hitlers infamous Aryan armies. Hmmmmmm

    The Russians as well as the Germans must be extremely embarrassed to have had this happen to them! I reckon Napoleon and the Pentagon should have just had a few thousand of these commie Jewish warriors enlist, we could have conquered Russia and saved ourselves all these trillions of dollars and even had David Hasselhoff sing us an awesome song afterwards.

    Wonder why the Bolsheviks were mean? Look at what happens when you’re not. Bolivia being the most recent example. I have no sympathy for the likes of Menachem Begin being mistreated in the gulag. Thats exactly where his brethren like Elliot Abrams and John Bolton belong as well.

    Sorry folks, if it don’t make sense, probably didn’t happen. The other side of the story makes perfect sense. Its still happening today, even in this country.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Troll: anarchyst, L.K
    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  104. @Anon

    No, he’s just a worthless cuck.

  105. @Corvinus

    Yeah Antifa is totally like the Cheka.

    It’s anyone, just about anyone, who’s anti-fascist. That means me, at least a fair number of you, our parents/grandparents who fought in WWII, Charlie Chaplain, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Viet Cong, the Polish Resistance, pretty much every American Indian tribe and you can throw in every other indigenous group that’s been/is being steamrolled, etc.

    We’re not organized. I’d love to see us at least as organized as proper sight picture and proper follow-through but even that’s too much to ask.

    The Right’s freaking out over Antifa is right up there with Richard Nixon having buses put up as barricades around the White House and ranting about how “‘They’ are gonna git us!”

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  106. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Not a direct threat while numbers are insufficient.”

    Millions of immigrants since 1965 are “insufficient”?

    “When there are enough of them, and the economy goes through a recession/depression, conditions on the ground can quickly change.”

    I’ll wait for the movie to come out.

    “Frankly, I think you are a far-left type judging by your posts.”

    More like middle of the road.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Dannyboy
  107. ivan says:
    @Iva

    The is a site “the diary of a water engineer” run by an old Israeli, where he quotes – many years ago – some article as saying that some Jews in Poland actually invited the German Nazis with bread and salt, thinking that these were like the Kaiser’s Germans. Talk about being clueless and disloyal at the same time. When such things happen the Poles are supposed to look the other away and think only of the Jews Jesus, Mary and Joseph. But when others behave the same way towards Jews, it can only be because they are children of Amalek or the Pharoah or some other pet hate of the Jews. Double standards are the norm when it comes to excusing every Jewish inspired cruelty and excess.

  108. ivan says:

    Igor Shafaryevitch as it is clear when reading his “Socialist Phenomenon”, is a careful writer not given to racism or exaggerations. Yet that could not save him from the charge of “anti-Semitism” when he wrote Russophobia. Everything has be refracted through what would put the Jew in a good light. If he is merciless, that is because he had no choice. If he gives free rein to genocidal impulses, he is commanded by God to wipe out vice and backwardness from the face of the Earth, etc, etc. And the so called Christian Zionists, stand ever ready to lap it up every time. But its not just them , the stupid leftists who go around claiming that Stalin was the “bad Communist”, while Trotsky and Lenin were the “good Communists” are worse.

    • Replies: @Iva
  109. Adûnâi says:
    @Sparrow

    > “lol….coming from a jew handle ‘Adunai’ which translated in Hebrew (LORD)!”

    Time and time again, you Americans impress me with your intimate knowledge of the Hebrew language. And with your poor level of literacy.

    Adûnaic (“Language of the West”) was the Númenórean language, spoken by the Men of Númenor during the Second Age.

    About 2,000 years into the Second Age, the Númenóreans began to envy the immortality of the Firstborn, which extended to the languages of the Elves; the Kings and their followers used the Elven tongues less and less. Though the Kings and Queens had all taken their names in Quenya, after some time their supporters used their Adûnaic names to refer to them.

    Eventually Ar-Adûnakhôr took his name in Adûnaic and forbade anyone to speak the Elven tongues in his presence. Adûnaic was now the language of the royal court. Its supremacy was most strongly enforced by Ar-Gimilzôr: he outlawed the use of Elvish anywhere in Númenor, which antagonized the few Faithful Númenóreans still living in the land.

    http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Adûnaic

    What even is this thing with people’s familiarity with Hebrew to begin with? This is a gap of my knowledge of Amerikwa. Do your Christtard preachers go around and talk about Adonai? Is Protestantism that Judaized?

    > “BTW…Jews are not ‘Hebrews’…they have stolen yet again what is not theirs. Assuming I’m stupid admits your arrogance.”

    Are you from that hilarious cult Christian Identity? Are you one of those calling proud Aryan Scythians Jews? Are you badmouthing the name of your Anglo-Saxon ancestors as “Isaac’s sons”? Are you subscribing to the debunked Khazar theory of the origin of the Jews?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

    • Replies: @Sparrow
  110. refl says:
    @Anon

    Maybe some people want a societal collapse because they have already arranged themselves into a urban military unit ready (for example, antifa, a cheka-like organization) to enact abuse on people they dont like come the revolution and/or a breakdown. Hence the cheerleading for insane numbers of refugees to produce this state of affairs.

    As I see it, the creation of revolutionary militias is exactly the purpose, why western societies are being pumped up with migrants from a violent cultural background. As leftists are trying to turn society upside down, they are facing one insurmountable problem: Western people are simply not as violent as they would have to be for the proyect. Even the revolution in Russia was only possible after years of warfare had taught millions of men to become killers. The same goes for Germany. The generation that brought about the street fighting of 1932-33 had got used to violence in WWI and its aftermath.

    Todays Antifa adore violence, but they are certainly to weak for the real deal. To destroy western society, armies of invaders have to be generated, who have been taught to kill and die without the faintest thought.
    Several decades of destruction across the Muslim world have created the characters for this proyect. The only task left is to get them into western societies in sufficient numbers, while at the same time dissolving the little that is left in western men in terms of fighting spirit by destroying their last nerves with genderism.

    We are almost there.

  111. Malla says:

    Russian politician Zhirinovsky on the extreme brutality of Lenin and the Bolshevik takeover/ hijack of Russia also called a “revolution”. The mindless brutality the Bolsheviks unleashed on the hapless Russian people is very disturbing.

    Put on subs (if you do not understand Russian) and check it out. Worth it.

    And this is what the Germans would have faced, had if the commies would have come to power. This is what Russians faced. This is exactly what Hitler and the National Socialists were trying to avoid.
    And this brutality the Russians faced then maybe what Americans may face in the future, I see America sleepwalking into an Orwellian Communist future.

    “80% Of The 1st Soviet Government Members Were Jews” – President Putin admits During A Visit To Moscow’s Jewish Museum

    • Agree: S, Sparrow
  112. Vaterland says:

    Virtually all of these poor women were Christian Russians; a great many of the rapists were revenge-minded Jews. I imagine that Jews, with their strong sense of respect for their martyred ancestors, would wish us, too, to “never forget” these victims.

    It seems, official Russian narrative would disagree with you. One does not want to upset the sentiments of the Jewish oligarchs who back Putin’s rule for life now, or the Chabad Lubavitchers in the background. One would also not want to “taint” the glorious victory of the Red Army against the “fascist Nazi dogs” and “anti-Semitic pigs” in the Great Patriot War which was a combined Russian-Jewish effort. Including the enormous war crimes – mass rape and torture included. A war in which it was and is also quite practical to attribute at least some Soviet war crimes and Stalin’s decisions to the Wehrmacht and SS. Including against around 500,000 Jews who permanently disappeared in the Gulag, Joachim Hoffmann: https://www.amazon.com/Stalins-War-Extermination-1941-1945-Documentation/dp/0967985684 (looks like they are in the process of purging Hoffmann’s book again)

    And as Rabbi Lazar noted: anti-Semitism is all but extinct in Russia. What is not extinct in Russia, at least in Königsberg “Kaliningrad”? Well:

    https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/kant-monument-splashed-with-pink-paint-in-russia
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46440713

    Certain influential Russians, including Major Putin, have a shared interest with a great many Jews that the crimes of Bolshevism are covered up and forgotten. And when in doubt the continued propaganda, or convictions make sure that the Nazis will remain seen as worse than”Judeo-Bolshevism” and integrated in a long line of aggression of the West, the geographical Satan as Dugin called it, against Russia. Nazism – NATO – US Empire – EU.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  113. Robjil says:
    @Vaterland

    USisrael empire is under total control of the Zion Macht Frei agenda.

    Russia under Putin is not totally under its control.

    This is the reason for the Russia Russia hysteria in our ZMF press.

    Putin mentioned that 80 percent of the Soviets were Jewish in the early years of the Soviet Union. He mentioned that the genocidal famines of the peasants was wrong. He said that dividing up the Soviet Union into 15 republics was a time bomb to destroy Russia. He was right about that. Zukraine was the biggest time bomb.

    In Zgermany, one really goes to jail for questioning the big 6. This is not the case in Russia.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  114. Hans says:
    @Blood Drinking Jew

    Very doubtful. The only thing that was cancelled was Prof. Toaff’s book documenting the undeniable fact of jewish murder of Christians and the use of their blood – http://www.israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf

    Well documented by others but very nice to have an honest, expert jew appear an write the truth even if the threats against him forced him to retract the book. Bravo, A. Toaff!

  115. Richard B says:
    @annamaria

    Russia, Poland, and Germany should demand from the Jewish Community at large the acknowledgment of the Jewish crimes, particularly considering the enormous amount of lies and hatred that have been directed towards the real victims, the Russians, Poles, and Germans

    One of the best comments I’ve read here, or anywhere, so far this year. I couldn’t agree more. We could add The USA, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and New Zealand.

    The best model I’ve come across for understanding what I’ve come to refer to as Jewish Supremacy Inc. or JSI, is Family Systems Psychology (a powerful and effective way of understanding families that, unfortunately, but not surprisingly, JSI has also contaminated, for obvious reasons).

    note: JSI does not account for all Jews. Many will argue this and many have. That’s not near as important as being ABLE to argue it at all in the first place. I have come to use JSI because I know for a fact that it doesn’t include all Jews. Gilad Atzmon isn’t the only one.

    In any event, to lay it out in short template form:

    Shaming Narcissistic Parent (Who Can Do No Wrong) JSI
    Golden Child or Children (Parent’s mini me) JSI’s Proxies
    Flying Monkey Siblings (Go along to get along) MSM, Useful Idiot Shabbos Goys
    Family Scapegoat (Who Can Do No Right) Whites, especially the awake and aware

    Having worked in this field for 30 years it’s worth pointing out that there’s a reason it is suggested that the family scapegoat go No Contact. That’s not going to be all that easy for Whites and not just Whites. But, it’s not impossible.

    And there’s good reason to do so. Because, the more one studies JSI, especially in relation to other cultures the more obvious and disturbing their criminal insanity becomes. They’re psycho-bullies.

    Correspondingly, the more impossible it is to believe their impossible to believe in Myth Of Innocence (MOI). Which says, in effect, “We never do anything wrong! Things are done to us!”

    That brings us to yet another template of theirs that is getting easier to see.

    Victimize – Blame Victim – Play Victim

    Since they victimize to acquire power and do it so often, especially in the last 100+ years in the form of false flags, hate hoaxes, smear campaigns, etc, that leads to another template many have accurately identified.

    Destroy The Evidence
    Control The Narrative
    Enfore “The Law” (on anyone looking for evidence to question the narrative)

    And the reason they do all of the above brings us to the final template for understanding JSI and why it is the ONLY real supremacist ethnic group in the world (thereby making a mockery of their laughable and desperate smear of “White Supremacy” at a time when they control all of the choke points of what’s left of Western Civilization)

    They are the only group in the world with the power to effecuate their insane demands to be

    Place Above Criticism
    Loved Unconditionally
    Blindly Obeyed

    In short, JSI is exposed. And, true to type, psychopaths are tenaciously resistant to exposure.

    This, more than anything else, explains the need for, and value of, The Unz Review.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
    , @Bob
    , @BAP
  116. @AaronB

    “Perpetrators frequently Deny their behaviour, Attack the individual who is holding them to account and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender, so that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the victim into the alleged perpetrator.”

    A sober reminder of some darker aspects of Zionism and childhood sexual abuse which the general narrative of defence is avoiding and is one thing that both Zionists and Peadophiles have in common.

  117. @annamaria

    So what would be the moral of the story? Don’t turn the other cheek. Better yet, take a page out of the enemy’s book: slay him first, he who comes to slay you!

    • Replies: @annamaria
  118. @Robjil

    In Zgermany, one really goes to jail for questioning the big 6. This is not the case in Russia.

    Based Russia gives you 5 years in prison for questioning the Holohoax. Signed into law by half breed Putin, savior of the Aryan race, in 2014.

  119. @Corvinus

    Corry, baby, I keep telling you that I’m never going to ask you out for a date, so stop stalking me.

    I wouldn’t have asked you out anyway, because I don’t find fat chicks attractive. Go back to your cats and pet them. They need your attention far more than the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Corvinus
  120. annamaria says:
    @Caterina

    “trying to camouflage your antisemitism…”

    — You mean, the historical facts should be hushed because the facts are inconvenient for people like you? Why don’t you direct your indignation towards ziocon warriors and other war profiteers and fanatical zionists? No? Too close to home?

    “The torture and medical neglect of Julian Assange:” https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30383-4/fulltext

    The UK Parliament of the Friends of Israel cannot forgive Assange for the exposure of the crimes committed during the Wars for Israel in the Middle East.

    Here comes the repugnant pair Emma and James Arbuthnot — the war profiteers and rapists of the UK justice system.

    [James Arbuthnot used to be] chair of the Defence Select Committee, the body overseeing the Ministry of Defence and Britain’s armed forces. His watch covered ongoing military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the wars for regime change in Libya and Syria. He is currently co-chair of the UK advisory board for defence manufacturer Thales and is an advisory board member of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies (RUSI). … The activities of Lord Arbuthnot and his colleagues were the subject of thousands of WikiLeaks disclosures.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/07/11/assa-j11.html

    James Arbuthnot had previously chaired Conservative Friends of Israel. He also sat in the British parliament for 28 years. … Arbuthnot’s support for Israel cannot be disentangled from his work on strengthening the weapons industry.

    The same sadism and the same shameless profiteering. Nothing new. See the sadism of the leather-jacketed Bolshevik mass-murderers.

    While Ghislaine Maxwell, a Mossad agent and procuress of teenage girls for wealthy pedophiles, is safe in the UK, the courageous journalist Assange is in a high-security prison. The same fate is for Chelsea Manning: https://www.rt.com/usa/482887-manning-suicide-jail-testimony-wikileaks/

    Chelsea Manning attempted suicide while in jail for refusing to testify against WikiLeaks… Manning has been locked up since March 2019, when she refused to appear before the federal grand jury and testify against WikiLeaks.

    The profiteers and zionists scurry like roaches away from the light of truth.

    PS: Here is the same article but with horrific illustrations: https://russia-insider.com/en/leather-jacketed-coke-snorting-jews-soviet-secret-police-torturing-raping-and-killing-gentiles

  121. Adûnâi says:
    @Sparrow

    What a spotless neo-Nazi specimen!

    > “The kidnapping, torture and hell leveled on Palestinians do.”

    A pity for the brown Palestinian children? Check.

    > “The satanic worship in DC”

    A belief in “Satanic” conspiracy theories? Check.

    > “Here’s hoping Putin has done everything possible to cleanse Russia of such horror.”

    Sucking up to a Jewish capitalist puppet in Moscow? Check.

    > “God bless the survivors and descendants of these poor victims…RIP.”

    Worship of the god of Israel? Check.

    • Replies: @Malla
  122. @Alexandros

    Actually I’m not sure about this; others have posted in the forum (I’m too lazy to dig up the links) that this Russian law is not as egregious as the laws in Western Europe. It mainly concerns questioning “Great Patriotic War” rubbish (Russians have plenty of hangups here) than Jews as such.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  123. Adûnâi says:
    @dc.sunsets

    > “As for a Jewish-run pogrom in North America, it seems unlikely. The wisdom of Etienne de la Boetie’s Discourses on Voluntary Servitude from 500 years ago still applies; the widespread consent necessary to staff-up a Leftist system that repressive is utterly absent in (at least) the USA today.”

    Modern America was inhabited by a people consisting of 44% of non-Whites in 2010. Most of the remaining Whites are old, fat, dumb, and cucked. And here you are talking about… muh’ oppression, no less! What use is freedom to you if you have lost your country to bleeding women and Negroes?

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  124. Hans says:
    @Alexandros

    That horseshit is old and very dried out. No pungency left, I’m afraid. You’ll have to do better.

    See p. 32 – https://highlander.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/The-Barnes-Review-March-April-2019.pdf

  125. @Beefcake the Mighty

    The law introduced Article 354.1 to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, making it a criminal offense “to deny facts recognized by the international military tribunal that judged and punished the major war criminals of the European Axis countries [this refers to the Nuremberg trials], to approve of the crimes this tribunal judged, and to spread intentionally false information about the Soviet Union’s activities during World War II”

    At first it seems to be an even more extreme law than in the West.

    Works of two British historians, Antony Beevor and John Keegan, were banned in one of Russia’s regions as the authorities accused them of being influenced by Nazi propaganda.

    Kosher historian Beevor influenced by Nazi propaganda? Looks like Stalin’s USSR is back.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  126. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    What a spotless neo-Nazi specimen!
    A pity for the brown Palestinian children? Check.

    Wow, Jew media has been brainwashing us from childhood that evul Nazi and neo nazi only care for blue eyed blond children. So now according to great chosen Jews, “Neo nazi” definition has changed? Now it is brown children. Will it be black children tomorrow?

    A belief in “Satanic” conspiracy theories? Check.

    Don’t many Muslims and blacks believe in these things? So I am guessing a large number of Neo nazis in America are black. You holy Jews truly confuse us stupid goyim!!!. Holy Jews tell us Neo Nazis enemy of all non blue eyed blond Aryan peoples. But now neo nazis include blacks. Now neo nazis include Muslims of so many colours.
    “Holy” Jews confused and say bullshit.

    • Agree: Sparrow
  127. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    Despite all their talk about anti-Semitism and hate, Jews are the biggest purveyors of hate.
    Its funny how everytime there are problems, they always find some non-Jewish scapegoat
    to blame on, and run nonstop negative propaganda about them. Currently its Asians with the coronavirus. It seems Hitler was onto something about these hook-nosed inbred rats. Its a shame the so-called Holocaust never actually happened.

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  128. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    I didn’t realize challenging your line of thinking constitutes stalking. That’s weird. Remember, I’m not the one who used another handle on this blog or poses as anonymous to tout your positions.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  129. @Alexandros

    Well, the Russians are completely unbalanced on WW2, almost as bad as Jews. Any book that isn’t Red Army propaganda is viewed as biased.

    • Agree: ivan
  130. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    All fine & dandy, but so what?

    The facts in the article* are correct. You have not shown otherwise.

    Simple stuff really.

    * again:
    Bernie’s Communist lies about Castro’s Cuba:
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/remember_when_they_were_called_communists.html

  131. Vaterland says:
    @Alexandros

    Not only that. I read a translation of the Russian original. And it is considered hate speech, if you “defame the memory of the Soviet Union”. Would need to look up the exact wording again. It is basically a law that has and will be used to whitewash the Soviet Union and enshrine it as the great liberator and victor of the Great Patriotic War. Germany is a good example how you can allow enemy propaganda to subjugate you. Russia is becoming an example how domestic propaganda makes it impossible to overcome the past. Both, laws and propaganda, are of course just expressions of the currently dominant power system. But I do see KGB Major Putin increasingly as part of the problem.

  132. @anon

    “Perpetrators frequently Deny their behaviour, Attack the individual who is holding them to account and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender, so that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the victim into the alleged perpetrator.”

    A sober reminder of some darker aspects of Zionism and childhood sexual abuse which the general narrative of defence is avoiding and is one thing that both Zionists and Peadophiles have in common.

  133. Trinity says:

    “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type…”

    Captain Schuyler, American army intelligence officer in Russia during the revolution.

    On June 9, 1919, Schuyler cites Wilton as follows:

    A table made up in 1918, by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia, shows at that time there were 384 commissars including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number 264 had come from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.

    *excerpts from the book, “My Awakening” by Dr. David Duke

    • Replies: @Hans
  134. Wally says:
    @Just Passing Through

    1. The mass killings by the Communist Soviets did not defy laws of science like the absurd ‘Nazi gas chambers’ claims.

    2. Soviet / NKVD mass killings were not of the scale in very centralized locations compared to the impossible “holocaust” claims.
    quick examples:
    – 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered at Treblinka, their remains are said to exist at that site, yet there are no such remains.
    – 250,000 Jews were allegedly murdered at Sobibor, their at remains are said to exist at that site, yet there are no such remains.
    – 1,250,000 Jews are said to have been murdered at Auschwitz, their at remains are said to exist at that site, yet there are no such remains.
    The list is long.
    – Notice that I have left out the additionally alleged 5,000,000 ‘others’ for which there are no remains.

    3. Numerous Soviet / NKVD mass murder sites have been found, unearthed, & verified.
    A few examples:

    Soviet Mass Murders at Katyn / Katyn facts: ‘Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=758
    Soviet Mass Murders: Vinnytsia – The Katyn of Ukraine, By M. Seleshko : https://codoh.com/library/document/1966/?lang=en
    “Victims of the Nazis” murdered by Soviet NKVD: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3647
    More mass murders by Soviets: yet another mass grave found: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7535
    Indeed, Real Mass Graves / of Communist origin: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6787
    more:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=NKVD+mass+graves

  135. @Caterina

    Oh vey!
    Deh noticed!
    Shut it down! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  136. I’m guessing the author is using a pseudonym referring to this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemmersdorf_massacre

  137. Robjil says:
    @Alexandros

    Russia doesn’t enforce it. The courts throw it out. Roman Yushov case was the test balloon for the Zionists. They failed.

    https://europeansworldwide.wordpress.com/2020/01/24/russian-holocaust-denier-successfully-sues-for-unlawful-persecution/

    The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation acted as a defendant in the court. However, the court brought in the third parties as the committee investigating the criminal case against Yushkov and the prosecutor’s office, which approved it.

    The representative of the committee in the court made excuses for its grossly illegal actions, saying that the investigators, while unlawfully prosecuting Yushkov, were themselves subject to the law and their official instructions.

    Recall that a criminal case against Roman Yushkov was opened in 2017 for his reposting in a social network an article by Murmansk writer Anton Blagin ‘Jews! Return the German money for fraud with Holocaust six million jews!’ Roman Yushkov accompanied Blagin’s news report with his supporting comments.

    In September 2018, the jury of the Perm Regional Court did not heed the stance of the Investigative Committee and it acquitted Roman Yushkov. As a consequence, Roman Yushkov received the right to rehabilitation. Subsequently, the prosecutor’s office tried to appeal this decision, but the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation upheld it.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/history/holohoax-denial-not-illegal-russia-contrary-many-news-reports/ri27711

    The acquittal of Yushkov means that the touted “Rehabilitation of Nazism” law in Russia is a dead letter. The jury stated that no law may stop academic or journalistic research into a topic. His victory comes from the jury, but also the Russian press, the church and the local population.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  138. Sparrow says:
    @Adûnâi

    As usual the jew CAN NOT make an intelligent nor sound reply/rebuttal/anything! The jew hates the Truth and CAN NOT reply to it! How beautiful to be revealed like the naked scum you are. Your bs of this word is a lie. In fact EVERYTHING the jew say are LIES. And with that you have dug your own grave(s). Now your PSYCHOSIS is causing you demented demons to slash yourselves to blame the antisemite goy…lol!!! Divine Justice. Maybe you will start chopping off your d**ks next as the Divine retribution. Again when it comes to the Truth you have nothing to stand on….absolutely nothing.

    • Replies: @Sparrow
  139. Sparrow says:
    @Sparrow

    Your only Salvation is to REPENT…!!! REPENT of your idols!!! REPENT of murder!!!! REPENT of your theft!!!

    There is only ONE LORD….and it’s not the jew.

  140. @Robjil

    While Putin says this:

    “We are cooperating closely to counter attempts to falsify history and revise the outcomes of World War II, including [attempts] to deny the Holocaust and belittle the contribution of the Soviet Union in the victory over Nazi Germany.”

    I guess we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @annamaria
  141. @Adûnâi

    The rearview mirror is a lousy way to steer a car going forward.

    What do we see in history? One reversal after another. Things change, and afterward “wise people” claim to know why (although their explanations are largely laugh-worthy.)

    This, too, may change.

  142. Vaterland says:
    @Alexandros

    I’ve read the articles Robjil linked some months ago and didn’t come to the conclusion that they are dead laws. Frankly, I think the agenda Russia Insider is trying to push is totally fringe in Russia. Or that of Lana Lokteff for that matter. It’s true that the new right in Europe has contacts with Russia, but that swings between cooperation to subversion or being a useful idiot.

    Putin’s own words, actions and connections are also quite obvious. You have quoted one of them. There are many. To be clear: I don’t expect a pro-Nazi Russia. But the re-Sovietization in the last couple years or so I find very worrying. There is an enormous space between “Hitler did nothing wrong” and “Stalin was the greatest Russian who ever lived, praise the glorious Soviet Union”.

    Or maybe there isn’t and people tend to follow one extreme or the other. After all our will dictates much more what we want and not our reasoning, and the human will is an all or nothing creature.

    • Agree: John Regan
  143. annamaria says:
    @Really No Shit

    Protect the freedom of information and demand to open the archives.
    Stick the truth to the sanctimonious protectors of mass-murderers and mega-war profiteers.

    For example, the enormously profitable 9/11 “event” has had its designers and protectors. Why Dick Cheney is still not in prison? Why the owners of MSM, that had propagated the obvious lies to help to initiate the ziocons’ wars of aggression (see Nuremberg protocols) in the Middle East, have not been sued by the grieving families and by the handicapped victims of the ziocon plans?

    The families of Bush, Clintons, and Obama must be left destitute after paying for their crimes against humanity. Public shaming of their progeny is a good beginning.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  144. @Corvinus

    Corry, sweetie, playing “gotcha” on another website is the very definition of cyber-stalking. As to why, have you ever used different browsers? So I didn’t log in. Sue me. You obviously are either a paid shill or need to get a life and not spend your hours looking for me on line. Go on a diet, too, will ya? Your office chair is groaning so loud your neighbors are complaining.

    Never you worry, when the time comes that I consider your hilarity “challenging to my thinking,” you’ll be the first to know.

    As for my line of thinking, this very week the DJIA broke its 11 year diagonal support, price is way below the two exponential moving averages I watch, and those EMA’s have turned down. All I need to confirm that at LEAST another 2000-2002 or 2007-2009 bear market has begun is for those EMA’s to cross and price to stay below about 25,000. Given the look of things, I’d say that’s highly likely by May 1st (a monthly chart requires “months” to occur.) At the same time, while the recent panic drove the price on the US 30 year T-bond so high that its yield went below 1%, as stocks are falling now, the yield is RISING, aka the price of the Long Bond is falling. This is what I’ve long expected, and while we’re nowhere near a trend established, your grasp of these things is demonstrably so childish that I quite literally smile when I think about it (which is all of about ten seconds.)

    You think my “thinking” needs challenge (from you?) Sweetie, I grasp that you hope I’m dead wrong, or you’re going to be among the legions of people who circumstances leave in a void of hopelessness. Stupidity used to be punished by Natural Law. Damming that process for a time simply created a vast reservoir of people like you who will not pass Darwin’s muster when Nature’s culling simply resumes its programming. Maybe the Wu Flu will be the mechanism, or maybe it’s just a cofactor for a process already begun…or we’re not there yet. Who knows? Either way, Idiocracy isn’t a comedy, even if it’s your home town.

  145. annamaria says:
    @Alexandros

    You guessed by propagating your ‘assumptions’ and have been caught. The Russians had more than enough pain inflicted by the zionists’ collaboration with banderites in Ukraine and by the presstituting governments of the former Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Only satanists (like ziocons and their pious servants in the midget Baltic States and Poland) can enjoy destroying the graves of the young soldiers killed in the millions during the WWII (financed, designed, and initiated by banksters and for the banksters).

    If you are really interested in highlighting the persecution of honest historians in WWII, then look no farther then Germany and the UK. https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    The UK government is firmly under the thumb of the Friends of Israel. See the gross ‘lord’ Polak and the likes. https://www.ft.com/content/383e5caa-c4a2-11e7-b2bb-322b2cb39656

  146. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    Hitler was very foolish for launching Operation Barbarossa. The Moloto-Ribbentrop Pact was working well for both Germany and Russia and if they continued cooperation, the Jewish-run Anglo-American powers would be neutralized.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Vaterland
  147. @Vaterland

    Good comment. It is perfectly understandable that Russians would be hostile towards Naziism. What is not understandable is their extreme emotional attachment to the Soviet experience in WW2 that leads them into tactical mistakes in the present. For example, harping on “neo-Nazis” in the Ukraine (simply hired muscle), or allowing the Poles of all people to get under their skin. It should be obvious that the Nazi boogeyman serves a political purpose in the West that has nothing to do with (unquestioned) Slavic sacrifice and bravery during the war. Putin of all people should understand this and not play the West’s game. A pity he sometimes doesn’t.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  148. Malla says:
    @anon

    Hitler was very foolish for launching Operation Barbarossa.

    Not foolish, he had no option. Operation Barbarossa was a preemptive strike against the Soviet Union. The Soviets were planning to invade all of Europe (outside of Russia) anyways. Better to get them inside Soviet territory instead of facing Red Army tanks on German Autobahns.

    • Replies: @anon
  149. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    All Hitler did was destroy Germany, weaken Russia, and turn the US into the global demonic monster that it is to this day.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Malla
  150. Trinity says:

    So the “most evil man” ever, Hitler, was trying to prevent this type of thing happening to Germany. Hmm, so what (((historians))) are trying to tell us is that Hitler should have allowed these same people to takeover not only Germany, but Europe, and have their way with the German people and the rest of Europe like they did in the Soviet Union.

    Look at how often those old (((movies))) would even romanticize (((communism))) in movies, making (((communism))) seem noble. The (((commies))) were hardly ever depicted as the evil monsters they actually were, while the Nazis were always bloodthirsty, homicidal maniacs, and sexual deviants. Talk about self projecting and completely reversing REAL with REEL.

    • Agree: Wally, Truth3, Sparrow
  151. Wally says:
    @Vaterland

    said:
    ” There is an enormous space between “Hitler did nothing wrong” and “Stalin was the greatest Russian who ever lived, praise the glorious Soviet Union”.”

    Besides deportations, which were done by all parties in WWII, what do you think Hitler did that was “wrong”? Be specific, if you can,

  152. Wally says:
    @anon

    Get real.

    Hitler tried to prevent the destruction of Germany.

    recommended:

    American Pravda: When Stalin Almost Conquered Europe, by Ron Unz: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government, by John Wear https://codoh.com/library/document/6807/?lang=en

    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union, Hitler’s Declaration of War Against the USSR – Two Historic Documents by Mark Weber: https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Replies: @Culverin Peregrine
  153. Vaterland says:
    @anon

    Well, because my reply to this would be too long for a comment and because everyone’s favorite “Jew” has already written two very well put together articles on it:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    I will add that, because I am affiliated with Zen Buddhism, I know Karlfried Graf Dürkheim who had worked under Ribbentropp. It is clear to me from both him and Hitler’s own words https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

    That, according to Dürkheim, the partionin of Poland was part of a secret clause which Molotow had not disclosed to the 3rd Reich dispatch until it arrived in Moscow and that it was clear that, if the Hitler regime had not agreed on it, it would have meant immediate war with Stalin.

    Secondly from Hitler speaking in secret to Mannerheim we can clearly hear that Hitler himself clearly, without a shadow of a doubt, believed that Molotow had left his meeting with Hitler with the clear intention to start a full scale war and Hitler then had also immediately decided to get ahead of him with Barbarossa.

    Now, firstly, this recording of Hitler and Mannerheim was secret and leaked, meaning that you do not have the propaganda excuse that is attributed to Hitler’s public speech and Hitler had no reason to lie to Mannerheim. What we are left with is that Hitler could have falsely believed that Stalin intended to invade, but I do not think so.

    Reasons for this:
    1.) World Revolution is the implicit and necessary goal of Marxism
    2.) After the 3rd Reich was defeated the Americans immediately transitioned to the Cold War and Stalin was very obviously seen as a threat, as was the Warsaw Pact. Patton even wanted to keep the tanks rolling and crush Stalin. For which he may have paid the ultimate price.
    3.) Stalin offered Adenauer that a unified Germany would serve as a neutral bufferzone. Adenauer rejected and instead sought full integration into NATO and the West. – Here we have two explanations: either he was already a complete puppet, or Stalin was also seen as a leader who would have immediately conquered this isolated nation outside of NATO.

    The real tragedy is that we did not win the First World War. And everything follows from there: Bolshevism, Hitler, the dominance of international capital and world Jewry with this, the death of our true Europe and this entire artificial, ungodly and evil world order.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Malla
  154. Iva says:
    @ivan

    Yes, Jews did this for hundred of years , always cooperating with Germans and Russians during the occupation of Poland. They also greeted communists Russians with great joy and flowers.  They never showed loyalty to Russia ether when they lived there.You should also be aware that there is a big campaign of smearing Poles for cooperation with German just because world Jewish organizations try to extort money for something they are mot entitled. In 2018 US Congress passed the law, and Trump signed it, that Poland has to pay these organizations restitution for the heir less properties left by Jews who were polish citizens. All over the world, even in the US, such a property goes to Treasury of the country of which citizens they belonged. Pampeo and Pence last in Feb 2019, while visiting Poland, told Polish government that they have to pass a new law so the payment of “restitution” can be payed. Poles see it as robbery attempt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR217I6kQPk&t=161s…… American historian Edward Reid on this subject.  He said that this could open Pandora’s box and all Native American can start demanding restitution. Poles should be entitled to properties left by Pulaski. It would be lots of money because Chicago stand on his property. Last week Vatican gave Jewish historians all documents and correspondence of pope during WWII. Jewish organizations will study this to see if they can find Vatican “guilty” of not doing enough to demand restitution like they do this with Poland. Serbia gave in and is already paying them for few years. Germans said ENOUGH so they try wherever they can. 

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @ivan
  155. @Wally

    Helluva job he did there.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  156. Iva says:
    @Sparrow

    The “antisemitism” ( in parenthesis because criticism of the actions is not antisemitism) was punish by death. Now it is done by not allowing someone to do their profession and suffer financially. In the USA there is already 28 states who will not allow a person earn money ( more then $1000) unless it pledge allegiance to the state if Israel. Recently the journalist Abby Martin went though this, because she refused to pledge allegiance to Israel before the conference in SUG. Now, she is suing state of Georgia for violating her constitutional rights of Free Speech. Why Israel dictate American what they allowed to say, why such a law of pledging allegiance to foreign country in the US, …..??????????? Is US still independent???????

  157. Vaterland says:
    @Culverin Peregrine

    Helluva job Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill did there.

  158. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn confirmed this in his book ‘GULAG ARCHIPELAGO’ and also in photo captions of himself with the quotation “Jews ran the camps!”

    After the Zionist Bankers destroyed Germany post World War One, the Zionist International declared war on Germany in the late 1920’s. This declaration appeared in the Zionist’s own newspaper.

    The Hitler government then began the effort to resettle the Jews in Palestine, in order to remove them from the sphere of influence, as the Zionists were deeply entrenched in Jewish society, having taken over the same years before.

    The Zio-Jews were allowed to leave Germany in the late 1920’s and in the 1930’s. They were allowed to keep the proceeds from the sale of their businesses, homes, and took their savings and valuable assets with them to Pa;lestine.

    There was even a commemorative coin struck with the ‘Star of David’ on one side, and the Nazi Swastika on the other…

    Hitler, being Catholic, saw the effects of Zionist Communism, but borrowed the idea of Konzentration Kamps from the GULAG. The rest is confirmed, known history.

    Operation Barbarossa was launched under the guise of ‘Liebenstraum’, or ‘Living Space’ for Germany to expand eastward. However,

    It’s true effect was to stop *Stalin (*not his REAL name…) from secretly building up forces to roll over Eastern Europe projected to happen in 1944, and continuing into Western Europe in 1946 (projected logistical timelines).

    Germany didn’t have the industrial capacity to wage World War Two, and Russia received billions in ‘Foreign Aid’ under ‘Lend-Lease’.

    Sir Winston Churchill remarked near the end of World War Two that “We have backed the wrong monster!” & it was the Zionist influence in British Banking that caused Great Britain to declare war on Germany despite the fact that the UK hadn’t been invaded or attacked on 3 September 1939.

    Poland fell to the German Invasion which was launched due to a massive uptick in Zio-Communist activities which alarmed both the Polish Catholics and Germans living in eastern Germany.

    The effects of the GULAG, and Holodomor in both Russia and the Ukraine were well known by the Western Europeans.

    This is why many men joined the German Armed Forces in World War Two, as this seemed to be the only way to stop Zio-Communism from it’s hideous effects. The historical atrocities of both sides, however, are well documented!

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @annamaria
  159. IT'S ME says:
    @the shadow

    NSDAP -> Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

  160. Robjil says:
    @Vaterland

    It wasn’t Putin’s project. It was Medvedev’s project.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/history/holohoax-denial-not-illegal-russia-contrary-many-news-reports/ri27711

    Furthermore, the nature of this law is completely different from how it was presented by most writers in the west. It was never a “Holocaust denial” law. The condemnation of “Putin” on this, as always, is based on rumor. It was Medvedev’s project, not Putin’s and, in addition, it wasn’t aimed at the Jews at all. It was a patriotic law – of a sort. Its condemnation in the west proves that.

    There is freedom in Russia to deny the big 6. Chabad also tried to get an underground headquarters. It was squashed.

    During the trial itself, Yushkov said: “There are hundreds of thousands of publications in the Russian-language internet denying the myth of the Jewish Holocaust. . . with no problem. I was chosen for the first demonstration of [this law] in Russia because I fought Chabad to the point of blood.” The Jewish Religious Society of Perm, considered an opponent of Chabad, refused to join in the protests, but they also distanced themselves from the extremism of the sect. They’ve stated that they believe the proposed synagogue would be an “underground, subversive” headquarters rather than a religious center. Chabad’s refusal to explain what the land will be used for has spurred further speculation. The Jewish sect was enraged when Yushkov was successful. The land deal was voted down due to substantial protests he helped organize.

    It is not only this. Many Rabbis have been deported from Russia.

    https://crownheights.info/chabad-news/621009/shliach-to-omsk-siberia-being-deported/

    An Israeli-born rabbi serving as the chief rabbi for the Jewish community in Siberia is facing deportation, after apparently being accused of espionage.

    Previously, (rabbis) got expelled after being accused of minor violations like traffic offences. Today, expulsions are linked to accusations from the secret services,” said the federation’s spokesman, Rabbi Boruch Gorin.

    “Their case papers are classified as secret and even lawyers cannot access them. It’s easier to get rid of a foreigner when there are no concrete charges,” he said.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  161. Truth3 says:
    @annamaria

    It is long overdue for synagogues worldwide to announce a day of repentance for the enormous crimes committed by Jewish Bolsheviks against Russians.

    Fat Chance.

    They celebrate their crimes… look at their Holidays.

  162. Robjil says:
    @Iva

    The 300 billion number is often brought up about this bill.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fa_1519746916

    Jews want to extort 300 billion dollars from Poland [ENG sub]
    Conversation between former Israeli ambassador in Poland Shevach Weiss with the director, former presidential candidate Grzegorz BraunFrom Israeli point of view Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust weren’t Poles. There were Jews, so the compensation is a must. For that to happen, Israel demands from Poland to break it’s own inheritance law and create precedence or some sort of tribal inheritance law.
    From Polish point of view, there is no issue at all, because inheritance law makes the case crystal clear. If there are living heirs they have opened legal paths through Polish courts to claim compensation.
    Organisation like World Jewish Congress or State of Israel, that in no way are representing Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust, by Polish law have no right to demand any compensation whatsoever.
    By any objective legal measure, Poland hold the moral highground and does not need to worry about anything, however, Israel is a superpower, both militarily and in media. Plus, it’s no secret that Jews are over-represented in society elites.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  163. Truth3 says:
    @AaronB

    I even singled out the exact gentile whose blood I wanted to drink! Now he gets to live another year.

    You’re a sick phuquer.

  164. Vaterland says:
    @Robjil

    Link dead. Account shoad.

    Poles could have prevented all of this by allowing a completely independent examination team into Auschwitz, but they didn’t. Poland has been following the maxim, that it is good for Poland to Germany on its knees. Like Willy Brandt was and everything bad that followed from then ever since.

    • Agree: Robjil
  165. Robjil says:
    @Vaterland

    It is ridiculous how info is shoad. We are treated like street horses with blinders on by our Top Jewish rulers.

    I found this site. It is a protest from American Poles about this US law for Israel and Jewry world wide.

    https://stopacts447.org/about/

    The law was pushed through because of extreme pressure from many Jewish organizations like the ADL and WJRO. Polish Americans complained but “who cares” was the attitude from our ZUS congress.

    The US House of Representatives had no right to proceed S. 447 on April 24, 2018 on a motion to suspend the rules. Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives. S. 447 was a highly controversial bill. Polish Americans carried out in the period from January to May 2018 a series of educational campaigns in the US Congress, send thousands of petitions, and carried out countless meetings informing their US congressmen about illegal character of S. 447 (and its sister bill H.R. 1226). On April 24, 2018 the House proceeded S. 447 in an almost empty Chamber, and a handful of representatives agreed to S. 447 by highly controversial and almost inaudible voice vote. There was no quorum and there was no 2/3 votes “for” S. 447. Rep. Ed Royce from California admitted during the House session on April 24, 2018 that numerous Jewish organizations like WJRO and ADL exerted enormous pressure on representatives to pass Act S. 447 in favor of claims organizations. He did not mention the representatives of Polish Americans objecting the bill, and he rejected any talks with Polish Americans in the period from January to May 2018.

    This law is based on fantasy thinking to enrich Jewish groups. It is another huge shell game to grab wealth from another nation.

    S. 447 aims to enrich private Jewish American groups, which make absurd, unfounded claims for hundreds of billions of dollars, against Poland. S. 447 legitimizes extralegal demands of compensation and/or ”restitution of the heirless property”, a concept which carries a contradiction in terms, and which constitutes a departure from the existing law and the Western legal tradition. Heirless property always escheats to the state, and the groups attempting to make claims are not successors of the Polish citizens murdered by Germany between 1939 and 1945.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  166. @Alexandros

    My apologies, then, to whom they may concern. I had no intention to slight anyone, living or dead, with my post. Merely to indulge in a slight historical in-joke.

    In my defense, I may perhaps also raise the point that the gentleman himself was by all accounts a generous spirit in matters of this nature, and generally tolerant of jokes about his name and person, so long as they were made good-naturedly.

  167. @Vaterland

    Pretty typical, sadly. Poland can’t get along with Germany or Russia, pisses them off, and thinks the US or Britain will come to the rescue. Truly, you can’t fix stupid.

  168. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Yes, the millions of post 1965 immigrants are indeed still insufficient. Whites are still 63% of America. Im talking about when whites are a 1/3 of America coupled with an economic disruption.Then things could get revolutionary-looking here.

    You are never as far from anarchy as you think. About a week of empty grocery stores is all it would take.

  169. ivan says:
    @Iva

    Don’t play these silly games with the American Holocaust industry. Just say no. They did the same thing to Switzerland in the 90s. Even though the Volcker commission found accounts from possibly dead jews amounted to $360 millions the jews held out with backing from Clinton for nearly 2 billions and I think settled for 1.6 billions. They are masters at the shakedown game. Poland can hold better since she doesn’t have a large banking industry that can be blackballed from Jew York. Essentially whatever monies the Poles get in the name of confronting Russia will be siphoned by the Jews. It would be good if the Poles understand the shell game. As for the Vatican they’ve already opened the archives till WW2. But since there is nothing more to add about Pius xii , the Jews and other hyperventilators have lost interest.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @utu
  170. Rogue says:
    @Johnwho

    I hear what you’re saying, but I have found a couple of his movies quite funny.

    Not all, by any means.

    Also, I do believe many Jews or Israelis dislike the way he portrays Jews as weak and neurotic.

    Is he a scumbag for the whole Mia Farrow adopted daughter thing? For sure. But that’s Hollyweird for you.

  171. Miro23 says:
    @ivan

    Don’t play these silly games with the American Holocaust industry. Just say no. They did the same thing to Switzerland in the 90s. Even though the Volcker commission found accounts from possibly dead jews amounted to $360 millions the jews held out with backing from Clinton for nearly 2 billions and I think settled for 1.6 billions. They are masters at the shakedown game.

    The sub-text is that the US public no longer have representatives in Congress. They are now ruled by a powerful Jewish clique – which, as this article makes clear, is a very bad place to be.

    The direct result so far, has been the financialization (looting) of US society, neglect and off-shoring of industry, saddling the public with enormous debts, the 9/11 fakery, endless wars for Israel, wall to wall Hollywood sleaze, propaganda (MSM “news”) and a public fearful of being fined , arrested or losing their job for speaking the truth (“hate speech”).

    Next step is the arrest of “Domestic Terrorists” – those Deplorables that Hillary Clinton was talking about.

    The Russians and Chinese are well aware of what is happening. They rightly have a top priority of building up their militaries since thry’re clearly being threatened by this US Neo-Bolshevik madhouse.

    • Replies: @ivan
  172. utu says:
    @ivan

    Don’t play these silly games with the American Holocaust industry. Just say no.. – Agree and probably most Poles would also agree however Polish government somehow feels like engaging in playing the game.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/poland-wants-russia-to-pay-reparations-gibs/#comment-3683195
    I suspect that the whole stratagem of talking about reparations from Germany was invented when they realized that Jewish demands for restitutions for the so-called heirless property amounting to $300 bln were deadly serious and backed by America, so he (1) wanted to get Poles to get used to the idea of restitutions, in other words to make them think like a Jew about blood money transactions: “Once Germans pay we will pay the Jews” and (2) as the delaying tactics in secret negotiations with the Jews: (2a) wait till Poles get used to the whole idea after I apply (1) and (2b) “Once Germans pay we will pay you.” Though obviously Jews won’t buy the (2b) part.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Iva
  173. ivan says:
    @Miro23

    It looks very much like the Americans are caught in the proverbial Giordian Knot. The only way out is to hack it cleanly with no apologies.

  174. ivan says:
    @utu

    Why should anyone pay reparations to the Jews ? What is so special about them ? is anyone paying reparations say for the merchantmen who died in the thousands in high seas during WWII? It is only the Jews who are shaking people down for events of long ago. According to the Soviets 27 million Soviet citizens died during WWII. Have the Russians or Ukranians been demanding reparations till kingdom come? It is only the Jews who specialise in this seedy enterprise of milking guilt from the dead. Everyone else has moved on; bad things happen.

    In my lifetime the two worst genocides were perpetrated in Cambodia and Rwanda. We can also include East Timor. Yet the number of books covering these events would hardly fill one library shelf. On the other hand there seems to be no end to the spate of books on the Nazis and the Jews, right from medically informed books, to economic, sociological and theological themes. It would seem that Holocaustianity is the new religion of the West. But its ersatz and not going to save anyone.

    But as you know, they always have a class of viziers and chamberlains to do their dirty work of milking the proles. So the fact that there are a few Poles bought off by prospects of stints in so-called foundations, non-profits, international banks and sinecures at American universities, is no surprise. That is how they operate.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @utu
  175. Hans says:
    @Trinity

    “I might list a hundred other revolutionary leaders and every one of them would be a Jew. Wherever you read of an assassination or of the explosion of a bomb you will notice in the newspaper dispatches that the man was a Jew…every deed of that kind is done by Jews” – William Eleroy Curtis (p. 313), “The Revolution in Russia,” The National Geographic, Vol. 18, No. 5, (May, 1907)

    “Anyone who doesn’t know that Bolshevism is Jewish, must be a man who is taken in by our deplorable press.” – historian Hilaire Belloc, G. K.’s Weekly, February 4, 1937

    “From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, the world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization has been steadily growing…it has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century; and now has gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads…In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the terror under Bela Kun in Hungary.” – Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Feb 8, 1920, p.5

    “It is impossible to explain how a press usually so eager to exploit the little incidents of life has been able to remain silent about the horrors perpetrated in Russia…and that it should have so little to say concerning a world organization as vast as Russian Communism. This silence…is favored by various occult forces which for a long time have been working for the overthrow of the Christian Social Order” – Pope Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris, 1937

    • Thanks: Prajna
    • Replies: @Trinity
  176. annamaria says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “allowing the Poles of all people to get under their skin…”

    — The Poles have been very good at shooting themselves in the feet: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=shooting+feet&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    According to estimates from the Institute of the National Remembrance of Poland, about 230 out of 469 Soviet monuments in the country are going to be demolished within 12 months.

    Polish Parliament passed the law this year, on June 22, which is Russia’s National Day of Remembrance and Sorrow. It was on this date in 1941 that Hitler sent his army into Soviet territory. As a result, the day is considered to be the most solemn and tragic in Russia’s history. Russia reasonably interpreted the date of the law’s passing as a purposely intended insult.

    The ever-prostituting Poland: https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/02/20/poland-is-becoming-americas-key-nato-ally/

    West Germany was once the centerpiece of NATO’s anti-Soviet defense and host to hundreds of thousands of U.S. and Allied forces. Today that role is increasingly assumed by Poland, one of the most stalwart members of the alliance. It is one of only six countries to meet NATO’s goal of spending 2 percent of the gross domestic product on defense, has welcomed U.S. forces returning to Europe, and has undertaken a serious and sustained program of military modernization. …

    Geography dictates that Poland plays a leading role in NATO’s defense plans. Warsaw recognizes its place as the centerpiece of the alliance’s defense line vis-a-vis Russia. But Poland is much more than a passive player. It wants to punch at or even above its weight among NATO members. The U.S. government should do whatever it can to help the Polish military reach its modernization objectives.

    In short, onward Christian soldiers!

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Hibernian
  177. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @ivan

    Man leave East Timor out of this. Indonesians have every right to hold on to and control the primitive Melanesian savages near Papua island.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ivan
  178. annamaria says:
    @Rex, the King Lizard

    https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Run-Concentration-Camps-Soviet-Union/dp/1291002758:

    Jews were the commandants of 11 out of the 12 main Stalinist-era Gulags, or concentration camps, including the camp system directors Matvei Berman and Hershel Jehuda.

    Time for Russian to demand reparations from the American Jewish Community. The Jewish bankers like Jakob Schiff, his protege Leib Bronshtein, and the predominantly Jewish Bolechevisk government, had initiated the horrific mass-murders of the Russians as well as the looting of the country on the grandest scale ever.

    https://www.amazon.com/Historys-Greatest-Heist-Looting-Bolsheviks/dp/0300135580 The Bolshevik regime “accomplished history’s greatest heist between 1917 and 1922 and turned centuries of accumulated wealth into the sinews of class war.”

  179. annamaria says:
    @Robjil

    “It’s easier to get rid of a foreigner when there are no concrete charges,” he [Rabbi Boruch Gorin] said.

    — Splendid! Rabbi Boruch Gorin has explained clearly how members of any Jewish sect must be treated everywhere — as foreigners. And the sooner the US/EU/UK populations realize that all zionists are foreigners loyal to the foreign country of Israel, the greater are chances for survival for western civilization.

    • Agree: Robjil
  180. @annamaria

    I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph and as to Dick Cheney, he is just a dick that works for the war profiteers (the dupe doesn’t know that he is being used for some crumbs off the table).

  181. annamaria says:
    @Robjil

    The “most victimized” want the profitable holobiz schema to propagate indefinitely.

    Guess this is why the “most victimized” do not like the facts from the Soviet archives that document the horrific crimes committed by Jewish Bolsheviks against Russians.

    Here is a sample of a ‘professional’ defense of holobiz by certain Eric Heinze, Professor of Law at Queen Mary University of London: https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/russia-is-the-global-leader-in-jew-hate-1.433603

    Nazism inflicted history’s most horrendous crimes against Jews. But Germany has by no means been history’s top purveyor of global antisemitism.
    That distinction goes to Russia, which spread antisemitism more widely and durably.

    The author of this statement (https://www.thejc.com/landing/Author/Eric%20Heinze) needs to learn some history, and some Jewish names, before accusing others. For example, the ongoing Ukrainian tragedy is a result of a joint effort of American zionists/neocons and Ukrainian banderites (self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/). The dishonest Professor of Law in London also needs to google the names of Jakob Schiff, Trotsky, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrich Yagoda, Rozalia Zalkind, Matvej Berman, and the likes to inform himself about the enormous crimes against humanity committed by Jews in Russia.

    Instead of sanctimonious demand like this, “Until the Russian media and public self-critically examine the state’s role in sowing antisemitism, its effects will carry on,” Eric Heinze needs to make some research about the role of Jewish Bolsheviks in the Russain tragedy — in the mass slaughter of the best among the Russians (the aristocracy, including Tsar’s family, Orthodox clergy, merchants, skilled peasantry, academicians, officer corps) and in the wholesale looting of Russian treasures.

    It is long overdue for Jews to repent for the enormous and horrific crimes committed by Jewish bankers and Bolsheviks against Russia.

    • Agree: lavoisier, Malla
    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Poco
  182. Miro23 says:
    @annamaria

    West Germany was once the centerpiece of NATO’s anti-Soviet defense and host to hundreds of thousands of U.S. and Allied forces. Today that role is increasingly assumed by Poland, one of the most stalwart members of the alliance.

    Poland has to understand that the Zio-Glob USA is not its friend. At some point it is necessary to clear out the historical baggage and start from the way the world is today.

    Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan are long gone and so is the Soviet Union.

    In terms of cultural values Poland comfortably belongs in the Visegrad group, and they could usefully fade out the NATO aspect, develop their economic cooperation, better define their cultural values and emphasize the common ground with Russia (at present more common ground with Russia that with the USA).

    • Agree: Robjil
  183. Florin says:
    @Adûnâi

    you are, in my considered opinion, a verbose imbecile.

  184. Avery says:
    @annamaria

    {That distinction goes to Russia, which spread antisemitism more widely and durably.}

    A despicable libel by Eric Heinze against Russia and Russian people.

    [Russia Helped 1,750,000 Jews to Escape Nazis, Says James N. Rosenberg]
    https://www.jta.org/1943/07/02/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg

    [“Russia has saved over ten times as many Jews from Nazi extermination as all the rest of the world put together,” James N. Rosenberg, American Jewish leader, declared here today in an address of welcome which he delivered at a reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.]

    And if it weren’t for the Red Army, overwhelmingly Russians and other Slavic peoples, defeating the Nazi war machine, it is doubtful any Jews would be left alive West of the Urals.

    And as “Thanks” to the Russian people for their sacrifice, American Jewish Neocons have a relentless ongoing campaign to damage and dismember Russia.
    And many criminal oligarchs who looted Russia of 10s-100s of billions of dollars during the years of Yeltsin mis-rule were also of Jewish descent, e.g. Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky,…

    And, No, despite the lies of scum like Eric Heinze (…Russia, which spread antisemitism more widely and durably….) , nobody is after Jews in Russia because they are Jews. Quite a few Jewish billionaires in Russia living safely, some close to Russian government.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  185. S says:
    @Richard B

    You make a most important point. It’s simply a poisonous relationship that has long existed between many a European people and those that are Jewish. It’s been bad and unhealthy for both parties.

    Amicable (if at all possible) separation for those desiring it ought to be allowed, and tolerated. And, no, it doesn’t mean one ipso facto ‘hates’ another in so doing

  186. Trinity says:
    @Hans

    Yep, (((they))) stir up shit wherever (((they))) land. And (((they))) certainly led the hippie counter culture movement with names like Rubin, Hoffman, Ginsburg. And then you had a lass named Steinem stirring up the Feminism Movement. And we all know that it was Jews who instigated the Swindle Whites Movement more commonly known as the so-called, “civil rights movement,” which basically was meant to usurp power from Whites by taking away our civil rights and giving minorities like Blacks and Jews special privileges. Jacob Javits and Emanuel Celler sponsoring a bill that would increase nonwhite population to America and change our demographics within a few short decades. At the time of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, America was about 88-90% White, in 2020, Whites are lucky IF they are 63%.

    (((They))) seek to undermine every host nation that (((they))) inhabit. 109 times?? Would you rent an apartment out to someone who had been evicted 109 times??

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Thanks: anarchyst
    • Replies: @geokat62
  187. utu says:
    @ivan

    But as you know, they always have a class of viziers and chamberlains to do their dirty work of milking the proles. So the fact that there are a few Poles bought off by prospects of stints in so-called foundations, non-profits, international banks and sinecures at American universities, is no surprise. That is how they operate.

    You got it!

  188. Malla says:
    @anon

    All Hitler did was destroy Germany, weaken Russia, and turn the US into the global demonic monster that it is to this day.

    Wrong, it was the unnecessary war against Hitler by the Zio elites using their American and British and Soviet arms which has turned the world into a hell hole.

    • Agree: Trinity, Hans
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  189. Dannyboy says:
    @redmudhooch

    Sorry folks, if it don’t make sense, probably didn’t happen. The other side of the story makes perfect sense. Its still happening today, even in this country.

    So, I take it your sweet snowflake ass is starving to death or freezing or living in a plywood shack with no running water…or just otherwise being treated badly…lol

    Q: Why do indoctrinated Leftist college fags ( who obviously have internet access) bitch and moan so much?

    A: Because they’re lazy little candyasses who’ve been taught to hate their ancestors and expect everything should be given to them.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  190. Trinity says:
    @Dannyboy

    “Leftist college fags” have been taught their whining skills from the world champions of whiners, da Jooz. How many Jewish professors infest academia and spew their anti-White bullshit to self hating “anti-racist” and “anti-fascist” leftoid Whites? Of course these anti-White pieces of white traitor trash are all about being racist to other Whites while kissing nonwhite ass, and these cretins are about the most disgusting and obnoxious fascists on the planet.

    • Agree: Poco
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  191. geokat62 says:
    @Trinity

    (((They))) seek to undermine every host nation that (((they))) inhabit. 109 times?? Would you rent an apartment out to someone who had been evicted 109 times??

    Dr. Michael Brown addresses the 109 times “meme.”

    Dr. Brown: “Why Have Jews Been Kicked Out of So Many Countries?”

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Anonymous
    , @Wally
  192. Trinity says:
    @geokat62

    hahahaha. NEVER ever the Jews fault. They were kicked out because they “wouldn’t convert” to Christianity. lololol. “These countries persecuted Jews simply because they were Jews.” lololol.

    The eternal victim, the Jew. What is that old Polish proverb? Something about how the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you. lololol. I can see who taught Blacks the dindu nuffin technique.

  193. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    “You know what this is like?

    It would be like sending a black kid to, to one hundred different white racist schools, and he gets expelled from each one…”

    LOL!

    This excuse could only convince people who’d be incapable of consuming anything other than porn or cat videos on the Internet. So what’s the point? Dr. Brown is certainly living up to his name.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  194. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    No melanesians on East Timor.
    The elites are still Portuguese the language of Government is Portuguese and the mass of the population are native peasants speaking their own language.

  195. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous

    Dr. Brown is certainly living up to his name.

    Speaking of Brown, have y’all seen this great piece of art, BROWN POWER – Zeshan B?

  196. Poco says:
    @annamaria

    Jews are the also the victims of eskimos, choctaws, isolated amazonian tribes, laplanders, doberman pinschers, siamese cats, polar bears, corona bats, rattlesnakes, komodo dragons, dragonflies, dung beetles, dandelions, crabgrass, venus flytraps, halitosis, athletes foot, and palestinians. They’ll be suing all of them.

  197. ivan says:
    @anon

    Indonesia would be confined to all of Java if it were not for the Dutch. They are the successor state of the Dutch East Indies. They have no rights over Portuguese ruled East Timor. Or for that matter Borneo which was conquered and first denuded of all its forests and then turned into one giant palm oil plantation.

  198. Quintus says:

    The level of cruelty described is unfathomable. Even I, had I been placed in the same position as the Cheka and had total control over my worst enemies, I cannot see myself wishing to wallow in such perversity.

  199. Malla says:
    @Vaterland

    The real tragedy is that we did not win the First World War.

    The real tragedy was that WW1 ever happened.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  200. Wally says:
    @geokat62

    Complete list of Jewish Expulsions / Jews expelled from over 1,000 places in history:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12596

  201. Bob says:
    @Richard B

    Great comment. Took me decades to understand what you are saying about narcissistic family structure and how this applies to Jewish culture. I am sure you understand how difficult it is for scapegoats to understand their role and escape it. I would add one thought to yours: our need and desire to end this horrible relationship can only be fulfilled through Jewish understanding and repentance for everything they have done and continue to do. By this, I mean that the scapegoat can only get relief through the narcissistic parent’s complete acknowledgement and reform; their complete admission and abandonment of their narcissistic role. To gain this from a narcissist is rare and very difficult, but only this is right and only this will bring a satisfactory ending to the parts played by both parties.

  202. anarchyst says:
    @Trinity

    The “elephant in the room” is the jews who really spearheaded the so-called civil-rights (for some) “movement”.

    I came of age during the first so-called “civil-rights” movement and saw for myself the underhanded dealings, the demonization of decent, law-abiding whites, and in general, the deterioration of civil society.

    Almost all of the “civil-rights” workers and demonstration “handlers” were of one persuasion–New York based leftist communist jews. They cared not one wit about true “civil rights”, but were there to create hate and discontent among their black charges (who were too stupid or naive to see that they were being used to suborn and destroy legitimate government and society–a favorite communist tactic).

    These New York-based jew “carpetbaggers” fomented their hate and discontent, only to become future “civil-rights” attorneys, race-hustlers, and America-hating leftist communists…and the ADL, NAACP and $PLC being created.

    Those of us whites who were in the middle of this “civil-rights” revolution had a saying: “Behind every negro, there is a jew”. No truer words were spoken.

    Let’s not forget their infestation of the nation’s education and entertainment systems, (which continues to the present day), in which they can spread their jewish supremacist poison.

    The so-called “non-violent civil-rights demonstrations” were anything but “non-violent”.

    Robberies, rapes, and other criminal acts were common, but never reported, as even the “mainstream media” was “in on the game” and conveniently turned off their cameras during the acts of violence.

    You see, even then,”creating crises” was a part of the agenda.

    The “beginning of the end” of America was the use of federal troops against white Americans, which, in itself was a violation of “posse comitatus”–the prohibition on the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    As most whites were (and still are) law-abiding, they (we) were “steamrollered” by the use of federal troops to crush honest dissent. We never recovered from those unconstitutional actions. It was all downhill from there…

    • Agree: Miro23, John Regan
    • Replies: @Trinity
  203. Corvinus says:
    @dc.sunsets

    The fatal error in your message, Astonished, is that you believe anyone who opposes your line of thinking ought to be culled by way of “Natural Law” and “Darwinian mechanisms”. You are desperately praying for someone else to push the button. Well, just like your favorite character who had devilishly concocted a mad plan for the decent folk to blow themselves up to smithereens, the blend of common sense and reason prevailed. In the end, your Heath Ledger Jokeresque vision of regular everyday Joe’s and Jill’s slitting the throats of anyone deemed a mortal enemy will not materialize.

    “All I need to confirm that at LEAST another 2000-2002 or 2007-2009 bear market has begun…”

    You are not a soothsayer in this regard, as the market historically has undergone these ebbs and flow.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  204. Vaterland says:
    @Malla

    Well, many blame it on the incompetence and selfishness of the Monarchs in Russia, Germany and Britain who were all related to one another, one could even say all German by blood.

    But that war was unavoidable and inherent to the modern civilization structure since the decline of the feudal aristocracy and the rise of plutocratic money power which also went hand in hand with the gaining influence of Freemasonry and the emancipation, finally dominance of World Jewry. The land lost, the city triumphed; then the warrior lost and technology triumphed. As Ernst Jünger correctly observed: the young men went into the war in search for glory and warrior culture, but the war engineer had completely replaced them and decided it. Naturally Fed, Wall Street and American investment, plus Americas own rising ambitions would make sure an essentially European conflict would escalate to a World War. And the same powers remained decisive in WW 2 and are still dominant to this day.

    But when it comes to incompetent dilettantes who get abused by nefarious interests, I think Woodrow Wilson has the much a worse record than our Kaiser. And the patriotic illusion and self-delusion of Americans that a democratic government is much harder to subvert than a monarch is falsified by our own history. Elected officials, for the most part, were and remain the lying, cheating puppets of the money power which controls them and which also owns the mass media. Case in point: the Washington “democracy dies in darkness” Post is owned by Jeff Bezos and Trump by Sheldon Adelson, the GOP by Paul Singer. And they are, in reality, both not accountable to the people but the real power structure. This contributes immensely to the War Industry to this day and it includes the World Wars, not just the neocon wars.

    • Agree: Mike P, Malla, ivan
    • Replies: @Malla
  205. Vaterland says:
    @annamaria

    Russia, Poland, and Germany should demand from the Jewish Community at large the acknowledgment of the Jewish crimes, particularly considering the enormous amount of lies and hatred that have been directed towards the real victims, the Russians, Poles, and Germans

    Well, look, there is a reason why the Holocaust Industry and lobby could rise to such a dominant position: there are many factions who profit from it and use it to their own ends. The Military Industrial Complex and profiteers like Dick Cheney have formed a symbiotic relationship with the Neocons and it’s a multi-billion dollar industry. Then there is, of course, the FED and its trillion dollar monetary policy in the USA.

    But you should also not expect from KGB Major Putin who has now declared himself authoritarian president for life and is backed by Jewish oligarchs anything but the “official narrative”. And generally Russia, which to this has the Great Patriotic War, as its foundation myth also has an inherent interest to whitewash the red army which, as Putin himself put it, “liberated Europe”. Especially when Stalin remains so popular in Russia and the left. You yourself have given one of the best examples why a mixing of Neo-Zarism with Bolshevik apologism is totally absurd and based on lies. But that is exactly what Zarewitsch Putin is doing. Maybe necessary for a transition period, if we want to excuse it, but it is what it is.

    Then there are the Poles and Czechs who would like to bury the memory of their enormous war crimes after the war against 16 millions Germans in the Sudetenland and what is now occupied by Poland. Acts of which many of them are very proud to this day, I may add. In Czechia the Beneš decrees are still in effect. And Vaclav Klaus defends them with angry pride and yet gets invited to speak at events of the “patriotic” AfD. While it was the lobby work of Germany which got both in the European Union, which they strongly desired, in the first place. Naturally such a broken and defeated country, which Czechs and Poles enjoy to see, does not need to be taken into account.

    Which brings me to Germany: my country is ruled by traitorous Social Democrats, some even closet communists like Bodo Ramelow and FDJ secretary for agitation and propaganda Angela Kasmierczak/Kasner/Merkel herself. Or Stalinists like Sarah Wagenknecht. Aydan Özoğuz could even make openly anti-German politics as our minister for integration and get away with it. The left in this country profiteered enormously from the Holocaust and could effectively combat their right-wing opposition and snipe down any political opponent, if he was caught making “controversial” statements. And given their de facto absolute control of our media, especially the state media and if we take into account the trans-Atlantic networks, this won’t change any time soon.

    And ultimately there is the US Empire whose interest is to keep Germany down, Russia out and the USA in. To remain the hegemon of Europe. What better way is there to ensure this goal than German guilt? Neither France nor Eastern Europe would want a Bismarckian German Empire which could pack a punch and actually assert its national interests. Naturally they prefer the broken, confused and self-loathing mess which it is today. While the British boomers ran away from their own fruits with Brexit. And in the UK their own Spitfire and Bulldog nationalism is defined by anti-German resentment, ethnic nationalism = Hitler, philo-Semitism, Churchill glorification and total alignment with the US (Neocon) Empire. Fundamentally Bulldogs and Antifa believe the same thing: “Bomber Harris do it again!”

    Almost everyone on the right resents the EU for its universalist liberalism, social democratic consensus, anti-fascism and “cucked” nature. Where (ethno-)nationalism is condemned and the Holocaust remains the foundation myth of Western (post-national) identity and democracy. But this status quo is the result of the history of the last century. This also includes Polish fake and gay nationalism: chauvinistic and anti-German, divisive, but at the same time brown nosing the US Empire. But that’s also natural: Poland in its current form exists because the Allies wanted to punish, weaken and contain Germany; the USA and Britain even more so than Stalin. All things considered, it was and is either Germania or the EU. History has decided for the EU.

    Europe was always defined by the chauvinism, resentment and conflict between our nations. Naturally an internationalist people with centuries of experience in networking such as the Jews would profit from this. And so did the USA, far removed from its conflicts and more powerful than each individual nation state.

    For an Empire perspective you can read lead Neocon and PNAC founder Robert Kagan, husband of Victoria “fuck the EU” Nuland in Foreign Affairs:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/germany/2019-04-02/new-german-question

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  206. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “Wrong, it was the unnecessary war against Hitler by the Zio elites using their American and British and Soviet arms which has turned the world into a hell hole.”

    How is the statement you have responded to wrong? Did Hitler not start the war that led to the destruction of Germany? That is a plain fact.

    You will say Poland provoked him… As a Krylov fable proclaimed, “you are guilty for my wanting to eat”.

    …You are at fault that I am famished.

    https://russianuniverse.org/2014/11/16/ivan-krylov-wolf-lamb/

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Malla
  207. BAP says:
    @Richard B

    This has a certain feeling of damage control. I don’t want to explain it further.

  208. Iva says:
    @utu

    Polish government at this moment is doesn’t represent Poles. The head of the majority party is come from Jewish background. Both parents were Jewish and their uncle was a communist with blood on his hand of hundreds of Poles. The president is married to Jewish woman. The Jewish people in government go to the most popular priest  Rydzyk ( Jewish) and participate in mass to mislead people that they are Catholic. They do negotiate with Jewish organizations in secret and lie to people, that they not. The biggest club in Polish Parliament is “Friends of Israel”. Most of Jews in Poland they changed their manes to polish names and it is hard to tell who is who. However, there was something that Jews could recognize other Jews by polish equivalent of SS # by number 7 in certain order- fct disclosed recently. This gave them possibility to support each other. It is atoning to me that Jews will change their religion just to gain something. Just like in Germany during Marx era, if you were a Jew, you were not allowed to be lawyers, so all who wanted to be lawyers would change religion and get baptized. Jews in Europe and the US create misinformation of antisemitism in Poland. Recently ADL declared Poland as the most antisemitic country in the world, based on results of  questionnaire with tricky questions. However, there is no police next to synagogues or Jewish school , no attacks on Jews like in the US and EU. Most of judges in Poland are Jews or of Jewish background and are very lenient toward Jews ( a Jew who was driving drunk without permit and killed pedestrian did not spend one day in prison)  but give severe sentences to Pales for stupid things, like pagan tradition of drowning puppet doll in spring because it look to much as a Jew, or biting Judah, who betrayed Jesus on Easter, because he look to much as a Jew- Judah was a Jew. It is ridiculous what is is going there. 

  209. Revealing choice of sources. Just an example: Denikin’s army investigation of Bolshevik crimes is exactly as objective as Bolshevik investigation of Denikin’s army crimes. But that’s neither here nor there: everybody selects sources to fit his/her preset narrative. So, let’s focus on the veracity of author’s sweeping conclusions instead.

    Russian civil war was a multi-year affair where most areas changed hands many times. So, the outcome of the war largely depended on the battle for hearts and minds of the populace. If the events the author describes were widespread and typical, Bolsheviks would have lost that war. The Bolsheviks won it, and that’s a fact.

    WWII. Large proportion of the most populated and developed parts of the USSR was occupied by Germany in 1941-42. So, the outcome of that war was also largely determined by the battle for hearts and minds of the populace. If the events the author describes were widespread and typical, the USSR would have lost that war (unless occupying Germans were even worse than the Bolsheviks). The USSR won, and that’s also a fact.

    End of story.

    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @Karl Nemmersdorf
  210. Trinity says:
    @anarchyst

    Your post is SPOT ON !!! The Jews behind the Swindle Whites Movement were the exact same type of Jew that Captain Schuyler described in the Jewish takeover of the Soviet Union. Schuyler was on record stating that “the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning , guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type.” (((These people))) carry the same old disgusting habits with them wherever they go, is it any wonder they were kicked out of nations, cities, or towns on 109 different occasions. The Swindle Whites movement was about taking away the civil rights of Whites, and making them second class citizens in their own nation.

  211. @AnonFromTN

    If you think the Bolsheviks won the hearts and minds of their people in the period 1918-1945, and that was “largely” the cause of their victories in the Civil War and the World War, you are either naive or misinformed. Read “The Black Book of Communism” for starters. Read any modern bio of Lenin or Stalin. Read “The Great Terror” by Conquest. By March 1921 the very people responsible for the success of the Revolution, the sailors of Kronstadt, were in revolt, and were suppressed with thousands of executions. The peasants rebelled for years and had to be shelled and bombed from the air, with mass executions afterwards. The Russians used “blocking units” in WWII behind the front line troops to shoot them down if they dared retreat or refuse to fight. The Russians used massed formations of men to clear MINE FIELDS. Zhukov admitted to this. 13,000 Russian soldiers were executed just during the Battle of Stalingrad. Wars are won by the marshaling of vast resources, and the Soviets did this well, but they did not win the hearts and minds of many or most of their people.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Adûnâi
  212. annamaria says:
    @Avery

    “A despicable libel by Eric Heinze against Russia and Russian people.”

    — Eric Heinze has put the reputation of the Queen Mary University of London at risk. The well-documented facts are a good ground for disbarring the “Professor of Law” for defamation of the whole nation and for offending the memory of those who perished during WWII.

    Eric Heinze needs also to learn about the role of Jews in the Soviet secret police and in organizing and running the GULAG, a system of concentration camps.

    Jews were the commandants of 11 out of the 12 main Stalinist-era Gulags, or concentration camps, including the camp system directors Matvei Berman and Hershel Jehuda. Ultimately, some 14 million people would be detained in the 53 camps … According to official Soviet data, some 1,053,829 people died in the camps from various causes.

    Eric Heinze: https://www.thejc.com/landing/Author/Eric%20Heinze
    The hapless “Professor of Law” should also research materials about Holodomor, the man-made famine that exterminated several millions of Slavs. The most prominent figure among organizers of Holodomor was Lazar Kaganovich, the right hand of Stalin. https://www.deathofcommunism.com/lazar-kaganovich/

  213. @Karl Nemmersdorf

    You should be in politics. You ignored every point I have made and switched the conversation to entirely different things. That’s what politicians usually do.

    I do not argue against the brutality of Bolsheviks. BTW, it helps to know history, but I guess true Westerners want to live in the post-truth world and resist being dragged into the real one. Even before Kronstand rebellion, Bolsheviks brutally suppressed the strike of railway workers organized by their trade union, executing practically all leaders. In Petersburg Cheka daily took hostages after every anti-government act demanding that the perpetrators surrender, and as it never happened, it daily executed dozens of totally innocent hostages. One can continue in this vain for a long time.

    The Whites were exactly as brutal, robbing, raping, and summarily executing thousands of people. So, the civil war was not a competition in brutality: on this score the opposing forces were equal. Whites lost on two things: they proclaimed as their goal the restoration of monarchy and the return of the land to its “rightful owners”. That swayed the popular support to the forces opposing them, Bolsheviks and Left Socialist Revolutionaries. They did win hearts and minds, although in hindsight we can say that they achieved that by cheating: they established a dictatorship pretty much as insulated from the common people as the monarchy and they expropriated all land that was given to peasants at the beginning, forcibly creating “collective farms”.

    In WWII, very small fraction of the people who happened to be on the occupied territory collaborated with the occupiers. The majority did not. Many hated occupiers’ guts. Germans achieved that by being even more brutal than Bolsheviks. BTW, Germans preserved those “collective farms”, as a handy mechanism of robbing peasants. Conquest was a paid stooge of the anti-communist fat cats. His job was made easier by the fact that he had no first-hand knowledge of the Soviet reality. He probably could not even know that he was lying, which spared him and his ilk any pangs of conscience. The story of “blocking units” is repeated ad nauseam by those who never were in the USSR or never were at the war front. Nobody who served in the Red Army during the war has ever witnessed them. My nephew, when he was something like 10-12 years old, having watched a movie where the “blocking units” were alleged, asked a simple question: and who was behind those “blocking units”? I’ve never heard anyone promoting the story of “blocking units” answer this simple question.

    As for vast resources, they are useful only when you have huge number of people willingly using them. That’s what the USSR had. You can argue that in and of itself this does not mean that the populace supports the government. You’d be correct in that: after all, millions of peasants, who wanted to be free but weren’t, participated in the defeat of Napoleon armies in the early nineteenth century. Russians historically see foreign invaders as worse enemies than domestic thieves. But if the mindless brutality of the government approached the proportions your narrative alleges, Germans would be seen as a lesser evil. They weren’t.

    So, you are welcome to believe your narrative. After all, people believed all sorts of preposterous things for millennia. But beliefs do not change the reality. Just ask any lunatic asylum inmate.

  214. @AnonFromTN

    On the contrary, I directly addressed your central thesis: “So, the outcome of the war largely depended on the battle for hearts and minds of the populace. If the events the author describes were widespread and typical, Bolsheviks would have lost that war.” The events WERE widespread and typical, but the Bolsheviks won anyway because of various factors, not the least of which was their reliance on terror and coercion.

    Now you backtrack and say you are not arguing against the brutality of the Bolsheviks.

    As for “blocking units,” Chris Bellamy, a warm friend of the Soviets, describes the actions of the 10th NKVD Division at the Battle of Stalingrad in “Absolute War.” It’s interesting. You might want to take a look at it before speaking further on the matter. Catherine Merridale in “Ivan’s War,” and Antony Beevor in “Stalingrad” also describe blocking units.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  215. Adûnâi says:
    @Karl Nemmersdorf

    > “The Russians used massed formations of men to clear MINE FIELDS. Zhukov admitted to this. 13,000 Russian soldiers were executed just during the Battle of Stalingrad.”

    The Western Empires marched rows and rows of soldiers to certain death in the Third Battle of Ypres in World War One, 200k corpses, 400k corpses, 800k corpses from both sides. But the normie masses of the fat post-1945 world consider the Soviets as ants disregarding their men’s lives! Learn some perspective, bucko.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Passchendaele

    • Replies: @Karl Nemmersdorf
    , @Pandour
  216. @Adûnâi

    If I denied the abysmally stupid policies of WWI western governments you could accuse me of lack of perspective. But I don’t.

  217. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Well, the Red Army certainly didn’t behave as the lesser of two evils either when they marched into the Sudetenland or what is now East Germany. And I do not miss the Gestapo, but I sure as hell do not miss the Stasi and Bautzen, or the Berlin wall and the KGB either.

    But while Nazism is universally demonized in absolute terms, the Red Army is glorified and enshrined as liberators. The latter a lie built on the corpses, the raped, the expropriated and the ethnically cleansed: millions of Europeans and not just Germans, my family among them. Half of them occupied by the Soviet Union for over half a century, we ourselves now both still occupied by the USA to this day and at the same time witnessing the rebirth of the GDR under FDJ secretary for agitation and propaganda Angela Merkel and her far left regime.

    And that’s the problem: celebrating your victory in a war is one thing, respect for a good fight! And maybe even taking revenge can be understood, but collective punishment of millions of innocents remains wrong. Especially when it has thirty times the dimension of the Nakba. And love for Stalin or the Soviet Union is something I will never ever share.

  218. @Karl Nemmersdorf

    As far as “blocking units” go, I believe what I’ve heard from people who actually fought Nazis in 1941-45. None of the ones you mentioned belongs to this category. As you should be aware, hearsay is not admissible in the court of law. For a good reason, if you ask me.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    , @John Regan
    , @Kali
  219. @Vaterland

    I don’t like Stalin, either. He is personally responsible for a lot of reprehensible things. However, here are two facts: the USSR ended the occupation of Germany 30 years ago, whereas the US is still occupying Germany and Japan 75 years after the war.

    I would also like to point out that what you feel about Soviet occupation is what Soviet citizens felt about German occupation in 1941-44. Some scum served the Germans – there are always dregs in every society. But the majority did not. Many actively resisted the occupiers. They had a perfect right, some would say an obligation, to do that.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  220. Vaterland says:
    @AnonFromTN

    They may have had an obligation to do that, with and without Stalin, but they did not have a right to ethnically cleanse, rape, massacre and rob 16 million Germans. Most of which never voted for Hitler, let alone were NSDAP or Waffen SS members. Or even helped Ostarbeiter with food, water and blankets, as my great grand father did. Czechs and the Red Army treated us and millions of others exactly as you see it in Schindler’s List which is a work of fiction. But for my family and millions of others it was not fiction, but reality. Including deportations in cattle wagons like animals. IF you were lucky and were not beaten to death.

    And the old Genossen from the GDR are still around, like Gysi and Merkel. And their ideological minions march in Antifa.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  221. Avery says:
    @Vaterland

    { the Red Army is glorified and enshrined as liberators. }

    Because they were.

    How many East Germans were exterminated by the Soviets when they occupied East Germany?
    How many did the Nazi invaders exterminate in Poland alone (Jews and Christian Poles)?

    Nazi Germany invaded – repeat INVADED – USSR with the express purpose of gaining Lebensraum by exterminating the Slavic peoples living there (…..for centuries).
    Nazi invasion cost the lives of ~25 million Soviet citizens, soldiers and civilians.

    { millions of Europeans and not just Germans, my family among them}

    Cry me a river.
    Again, how many millions of those supposedly occupied lands did the Soviets exterminate?
    Nazis invaded and occupied ALL of Europe and most of the European part of the USSR.
    Where are your crocodile tears for the 10s millions that were murdered, killed, or lost their lives because Hitler decided to wage wars of aggression?

    btw: about GDR and Red Army occupation of Eastern Europe.
    Western Europe today is a Globalist occupied mess, being run by Globalist anti-Christian
    reptiles who are very methodically erasing the European culture and identity.
    The (formerly) Red Army occupied East Europe (e.g. Hungary, Poland,….), on the other
    hand, are today proud of their unique nationality, their unique ancestry,
    and Christian roots and are fiercely resisting the EU fascists.
    Maybe if Stalin has occupied all of Europe, Western Europe would still be Europe
    today instead of the Globalist s____hole it has become.

    • Troll: L.K
  222. @Vaterland

    You Germans voted for Merkel’s party and thus parteigenosse Merkel many times over. She follows the orders of Uncle Shmuel and even did not raise a cry when it transpired that Uncle Shmuel is listening to her phone calls. Chancellor Kohl in his book called her stupid. That might be the case, but her policies can only be fully explained by blackmail by the US. The thing that would be the most effective for this is if the US had proof that in DDR she worked for Stasi. Her personality and history in former DDR, as well as after 1991 reunification, suggest that as a distinct possibility. Arguably, Merkel did more damage to Germany than anyone else in German history. Yet her party still gets a lot of votes. That I do not understand.

  223. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    Did Hitler not start the war that led to the destruction of Germany?

    Britain and France declared war on Germany which started WW2. Germany did not declare war on Britain and France. Britain and France strangely did not declare war on the Soviets even if they conquered Poland from the East. There was no need or obligation for Britain and France to declare war on Germany, Poland did not belong to the British Empire or the French Empire.

    • Agree: Kali
  224. Malla says:
    @Avery

    Nazi Germany invaded – repeat INVADED – USSR with the express purpose of gaining Lebensraum by exterminating the Slavic peoples living there (…..for centuries).

    Wrong, NS Germany invaded the USSR to prevent a preemptive invasion of Central and Western Europe by the Soviets.

    • Agree: Trinity
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  225. Malla says:
    @Vaterland

    Woodrow Wilson has the much a worse record than our Kaiser.

    Willie was a toy played around by the banking elite. But go easy on him a bit. He at least admitted in his own words that he destroyed his own country and lamented it in his later years.

  226. ivan says:
    @AnonFromTN

    About the “blocking units”, there is a book out there replete with charts, diagrams, reminiscences, history and just about anything you wish to learn about them :

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  227. Miro23 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    As for vast resources, they are useful only when you have huge number of people willingly using them. That’s what the USSR had. You can argue that in and of itself this does not mean that the populace supports the government. You’d be correct in that: after all, millions of peasants, who wanted to be free but weren’t, participated in the defeat of Napoleon armies in the early nineteenth century. Russians historically see foreign invaders as worse enemies than domestic thieves. But if the mindless brutality of the government approached the proportions your narrative alleges, Germans would be seen as a lesser evil. They weren’t.

    Agree with that. It was the Great Patriotic War.

    It was no secret what Hitler had planned for the Russian people (the main theme of Table Talk), and by 1939 Stalin had tactically liquidated the old Jewish Bolshevik leadership and himself morphed into a Russian nationalist .

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  228. @Miro23

    Stain only “morphed” into a nationalist when he was desperate in the opening weeks of Barbarossa and needed a rallying cry. He knew that Russians would not fight for empty abstractions like socialism, but only for something real like the Russian nation. He cynically exploited this, and Russians continue to fall for it.

    It is ironically true that long-term Stalin did more to suppress Jewish power than Hitler.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  229. Vaterland says:
    @Avery

    Commenting on this website is a complete waste of time. I knew why I didn’t before.

    The worthless, genocide justifying drivel full of lies coming out of your mouth is the most insane rambling I have read in a long time. That you even find people agreeing with you speaks A LOT about the commenters here. Usually with the thousands of comments of the same predictable idiocy. As usual: those who think the least speak, write and shout the most.

    There is nothing to be learned from you, no insight to be gained, no new perspective to be discovered. Only the low IQ, vulgar trash to be endured that is even below the history channel.

    Utterly pathetic and disgusting.

    • Agree: Bookish1, Trinity
  230. Malla says:

    Check this out, very good.

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About the Russian Revolution Part I

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About the Russian Revolution Part II

    Part II of The Mad Monarchist’s Politically Incorrect Truth About the Russian Revolution, focusing on life in late Tsarist Russia -it was not the stagnant backwater most people think.

    Under Tsar Nicholas II, the Russian economy was growing faster than the USA.

    The Politically Incorrect Truth About the Russian Revolution Part III

    • Thanks: Robjil, annamaria
  231. Adûnâi says:
    @Vaterland

    At least 5,295 Belarusian settlements were destroyed by the Nazis and some or all their inhabitants killed (out of 9,200 settlements that were burned or otherwise destroyed in Belarus during World War II). More than 600 villages like Khatyn were annihilated with their entire population. Altogether, over 1 million were killed in Belarus during the three years of German occupation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Byelorussia_during_World_War_II

    During the occupation of the BSSR, over 140 punitive expeditions were carried out. The first of them – “Pripyat swamps” – took place in July – August 1941 in the territory of Brest, Minsk, Pinsk and Polesie regions. During the operation, 13,788 people were shot by German punitive detachments.

    German occupation authorities often used children as blood donors. The local population was involved in clearing the mined areas as a human shield.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Немецкая_оккупация_Белоруссии_(1941—1944)
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Коваленя,_Александр_Александрович

    > “But for my family and millions of others it was not fiction, but reality. Including deportations in cattle wagons like animals. IF you were lucky and were not beaten to death.”

    You deserved it for starting the war and invading Poland and Russia. You have no right to complain. You were beaten in a fair fight. And the help from the whole of Europe (Hungary, Romania, Finland, France, Italy, Spain) did not bring you victory. Suck it up. You deserved far worse.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Trinity
  232. @ivan

    There are books saying that the Earth is flat. Many are listed here:
    https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html

    There is a highly popular book saying that the Sun, the stars, the Earth, and everything on it, including every living thing, was created in six days a bit over six thousand years ago. The same book says that the Sun rotates around the Earth. You should know this book: in terms of the number of copies in circulation it is likely the record holder.

    Does the existence of these books prove what they are saying? If your answer is “yes”, further discussion is pointless.

    • Replies: @ivan
  233. annamaria says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Jugashvili also famously ‘forgot,’ overnight, the Marxian popular dictum “Religion is the opium of the people,” and restored the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church during WWII. https://www.rbth.com/history/331371-stalin-orthodox-church

    • LOL: Malla
  234. Malla says:

    This is interesting too. Russians in St. Petersburg asked about the Bolshevik revolution.

    Most Russians interviewed have a negative view of the revolution and consider it a big tragedy for Russia. The first person interviewed, the old man is very wise. Some had a positive opinion of the last Tsar some had a negative opinion. Very interesting.

  235. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    Boiled down, the innermost drive of Judaism is about the same exact thing that Black and all non-White hormonal drive is about:

    access to Aryan women for both mating and human trafficking.

    Which is revealed throughout the Jewish “religion”, but the central symbolism can be found in the Passover sacrifice of Aryan boys or “lambs”: the necessary murder to remove the primary obstacle to Aryan women.

    Today, Jewish politics is centered around making like as difficult as possible for White men, socially distancing White women from White men, and creating the conditions for the murder of White men when possible.

    The anti “idolatry” edict in Judaism is an externally focused mandate, aimed at gentile societies, whose sole meaning and purpose is to eradicate from view anything that objectively can be seen as Good (people/leaders, better architecture, other representations of our better selves, etc) in favor of a symbolcially stark existence wherein Jews are eventually the only functioning thing in view.

    Anti “idolatry” is primarily a means to eliminate anything that people can look to that is not of the Jews, thereby elevating Jews to top status and therefore, again, smoothing access to Aryan women.

    Archaic hominid and Neanderthal haplotypes both outbred (with Aryans) and inbred themselves into a higher IQ group, and then proceeded to use their ample leisure time to concoct a religious cult that would create the strongest possible strategy to open access to Aryan women and keep it open.

    The Jewish mixed-race ability to be international created economy boosting and hampering (depending on Jewish whim) trade and financial networks that allowed them to force their access into almost any society that didn’t wish to be dirt poor.

    Christianity, whether real anti-Judaism or a false promise, is presented as the counter Judaism that promises that the “Lamb” will rise again (after being murdered by Jews, as Abel was murdered by Cain) to smite the Jews. Which is why the Jews, above all else and in their deep texts, are anti-Christ.

    • Agree: Malla
  236. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    At least 5,295 Belarusian settlements were destroyed by the Nazis

    IF IT IS TRUE. This is very sad. Not something I would approve of.
    But didn’t the Commies kill Polish officers in the Katyn massacre. For a while, the massacre was blamed on the evul Nazis. Now we know that the commies killed the Polish officers, the cream of the Polish army. Killed them execution style. Who knows what else is falsely “blamed on the evul Nazi boogeymen” .

    You deserved it for starting the war and invading Poland

    Poland was invaded from the East by whom again? Oh yes, the Soviet communists. And yet the British and the French who ACTUALLY STARTED WW2 by declaring war on Germany di not declare War on the Soviets. How is that?
    I repeat Germany did not start WW2, it were Britain and France which started WW2 by declaring war on Germany. And not because the British Govt and French Govt really cared about Poland. It was just an excuse to get at Germany or else why did they both not declare war on the Soviet Union if they cared so much for the Poles? Why is it that at the end of WW2 when Communism was forced on the Polish people by the Soviet Union, suddenly the British Government conveniently lost all love for the Polish people and negotiated influence in Greece with Stalin in Exchange for influence in Poland for the Soviets. I say B.S. Poland was just an excuse to get at Germany by the bankers …er I mean, allies, who did not give a damn about Poland.

    The Truth is Hitler never wanted war, Poland was the last territorial border ethnic conflict of the Third Reich where the Jewish international bankers….oops, I mean Britain and France could get at the Third Reich. If the Polish and the German Governments would have come to a reasonable agreement (which Hitler was interested in) the bankers…oops again…the allies would have not got any such good opportunity to get at the Third Reich as all ethnic Germans would have come within the Reich and all border disputed with respect to the Reich would have been solved. WITH NO conflict in Western Europe it is very likely Stalin would have grudgingly scraped his dream of using the Red Army to conquer all of Europe and thus spread Communism.
    Hitler could then continue in developing Germany further, and Germany would have been a shining light to all the nations of the world in how to develop your nation outside the control of slimey bloodsucking international bankers. Developing your nation by rejecting both Wall Street Style vulture Capitalism and brutal Marxist Communism. Alas that could not be and now the World is a shithole.

  237. Malla says:
    @Avery

    One positive thing about the Soviet Union I read somewhere was that Stalin later after the war had a more kinder and sensible view of Germany than the Western allies. Stalin said something on the order that ‘ the national socialists as a government come and go, Germany is a NATION that will last thousands of years’. Compare and contrast to scumbags in the American Government like Morgenthau and his mantra of ‘Germany must Perish’, The German nation must be permanently destroyed.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Avery
  238. Avery says:
    @Malla

    There is a map of mosques in Germany today, shown as West Germany and East Germany. I have provided the link below, but if it does not work, you can find it on the web.

    https://9gag.com/gag/aXq45Dv/interesting-observation-on-the-left-the-map-of-the-mosques-in-germany-today-in-the-right-map-of-the-gdr-and-frg

    The formerly West German part is saturated with mosques: the Globalist/SorosaVirus’s success in erasing Christianity in West Europe demonstrated pictorially.
    In the former East German part there are hardly any mosques.
    (I doubt there are any mosques in Hungary, Poland, etc.)

    My guess is 70 years of Communist indoctrination(inoculation) left no room for the Globalist virus to establish itself and spread, like it has done so in most of West Europe.
    It is also interesting that 70 years of Soviet rule did not erase the Christian roots of East Europeans: as soon as Communists left, Christianity in Eastern Europe bloomed again (….same as in Russia and other Slavic lands).

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @Malla
  239. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “But didn’t the Commies kill Polish officers in the Katyn massacre. For a while, the massacre was blamed on the evul Nazis. Now we know that the commies killed the Polish officers, the cream of the Polish army. Killed them execution style. Who knows what else is falsely “blamed on the evul Nazi boogeymen”.”

    Obviously, Katyn was perpetrated by the Germans. You choose to believe Auschwitz did not exist (a version nobody supports). I choose to believe in the official Soviet narrative on Katyn (from before the faggots took power in Moscow in 1991).

    Imagine if Hillary had won in 2016 and announced that 9/11 was perpetrated by Russia. Russia is now occupied by Christian LGBT Russophobes.

    > “And yet the British and the French who ACTUALLY STARTED WW2 by declaring war on Germany di not declare War on the Soviets. How is that?”

    Because the secret clause only had a guarantee against German aggression. And because the Western Powers could not keep their word against Germany alone.

    > “The Truth is Hitler never wanted war, Poland was the last territorial border ethnic conflict of the Third Reich where the Jewish international bankers….oops, I mean Britain and France could get at the Third Reich.”

    Stop spewing this insanity. Why did France not invade Germany in 1936? Why? You have no answer. Germany broke the Treaty of Versailles, why no invasion?

    As a paranoid Nazi, you are as blindsided as those Stalinists who think the English helped Hitler for him to attack Russia.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @the shadow
    , @Malla
  240. Adûnâi says:
    @Avery

    > “It is also interesting that 70 years of Soviet rule did not erase the Christian roots of East Europeans: as soon as Communists left, Christianity in Eastern Europe bloomed again (….same as in Russia and other Slavic lands).”

    Your comment is decent, but why are you such a supporter of Jew-worshippers? The Christian Jew-worshippers are quite common in America, a third of the population believes that the Earth was created 6k years ago, and yet America is now a sodomite nation. Christianity is a poor shield against the Jewish worldview.

    Stalin’s gravest mistake was reopening the churches.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Avery
  241. @Vaterland

    Your comment that “maybe even taking revenge can be understood, but collective punishment of millions of innocents remains wrong” betrays a moralistic feel goodism used to demonize opponents while downgrading whatever is done by their side that ignores as do all the other comments along this line the fact that war is a collectiver enterprise waged on behalf of and by the members of one group against their opponents who are each jointly and severally responsibe for whatever is done by those operating on their side. No one is innocent in this endeavor, except, perhaps the group against whom a group launches a criminal wear of aggression that is now declared as such under the Untd Nations Charter is is today regiular;y and repeated violated by the US, Israel, and all government allied with the US in its imperialist wars of aggression.

    This lunacy has now gone so far that both Erdogan and Pompe have the gll o declare that their forces who are illegally engaged in accupying Iraq and Syria have the right of self defense to respond to attacks by zitizens of the country they are illegally occupying.

    So let’s get real. It was Germany that attcked Russi in June 194i rather than ther other way aropund. Did not the destruction the Grman invasion visited on Russi impose a collective punishment on the Russian people who were totally innocent or previously harming Russians?

    As the saying goes, “payback is a bitch,” so don’t start a war by attacking anyone unless you are certain to win it. That is the cardinal rule the US criminals running America have studiously followed, at least up to now, that has kept the American people insulted from the crimes committed in their name so they can avoid assuming responsibility for them.

    Another point bearing on this issue is how a few can somehow manage to force untold masses to fight for something against their will by sheer terror, giving, as an example, Zhukoz that the Red Army executed 13,000 at the battle of Stalingrad alone that presumably kept the remaining hindred of thousands who died sufficienmtly committed to defeat the German army in that battle.

    This notion of how terror can be used by a few to comple untold thousands to fight against their will entirely ignores the magic power generator in the sky that must be the source of the terror that produces the desired compulsion. The notion their opponents mst be relying on terror to generate the will to fight in their opponents is instead the explanation adopt by those who cannopt accept that their opponents are as dedicated to achoive their goals as they are to achieve their own because that recognition instantly calls into question the rightiousness of their own goals that justifies their actions.

    So you skip, for example, to the Vietnam war wen the mainstream media peddaled the illusion that the explanation for how the Viet Cong faught so fiercely was that they were being drugged by the commisars. The illusory basis for this explkanastionw as exposed when the US troops disillusioned by the war turned to drugs which, instead of emboldening them as it supposedly had done the Viet Cong instead led to their disintegration as an effective fighting force. Or that the Viet Cog were sing terror to force the population to support them when the CIA terror campaign of murdering more than 13,000 supposed Viet Cong leaders did not lead to their disintegration.

    It is, however, ever so much easier to genrate illusions to justify ones actions than to account honestly for the actions your own side is taking against others, and to examine your joint and several responsibility and culpability for aiding and abetting the actions your side takes against others..

  242. Trinity says:
    @Adûnâi

    Exactly when are people like you going to shut up about the so-called, “holocaust?” So shut your trap about people talking about ancient history because you people have been going on about the alleged “holocaust” 24/7/365 for decades and still counting. Muh holocaust, blah, blah, blah… change your tune, boy. “Fair fight?” It was basically Germany against the three GIANT POWERS of the British Empire, America, and the Soviet Empire and their colonial troops as well. Italy? Give me a break. France? What the hell are you talking about? Don’t know what the population of Germany was at the time, but when you take into account that Great Britain owned about a 1/4 of the world at the time and the gigantic size of populations of America and the Soviet Union, it hardly seems like a “fair fight.” Germany is about the size of the state of Montana. But then again you are the kind of person who thinks Israel shooting down rock throwing Palestinians is a “fair fight.” Truth be told, Germany, despite its small size and population would have probably kicked America, the Soviet Union, and Great Britain’s asses if she had the opportunity to fight each one in a “fair fight” which would be one at a time instead of fighting on two fronts.

    • Agree: Bookish1
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @AnonFromTN
  243. It must be said: unlike the Soviets, the retribution the Anglo-Americans inflicted on Germany was far, far, out of any conceivable proportion. Speaks very poorly of the Americans and British.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  244. Adûnâi says:
    @Trinity

    > “Exactly when are people like you going to shut up about the so-called, “holocaust?” So shut your trap about people talking about ancient history because you people have been going on about the alleged “holocaust” 24/7/365 for decades and still counting. Muh holocaust, blah, blah, blah…”

    Dude, you are such an American. The Holocaust was never a big deal outside Jew-worshipping America. Nobody in the USSR really cared about the Holocaust. Read Russian Wikipedia – notice how it talks about the Germans, whereas the Anglosphere talks about the “Nazis”. Americans never suspect history exists. To an American, it’s all about some individuals fighting for some ideologies (good versus evil), not about nations fighting for their life.

    > ““Fair fight?” It was basically Germany against the three GIANT POWERS of the British Empire, America, and the Soviet Empire and their colonial troops as well. Italy? Give me a break. France? What the hell are you talking about?”

    1. Germany took this foolish fight and lost it. Nobody forced Germany to go to war in 1939. Neither in 1941.

    2. The war had been going in German favour by 1943. Until then, it was quite equal. I am amazed at how Russia managed to survive through 1942.

    3. Italy sent 235k men to Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Army_in_Russia

    4. France? Are you for real? France was the strongest nation in Europe in 1940. Only by taking and losing a gamble in Belgium did they lose. We are having this conversation because Hitler lucked out on a massive scale. By all accounts, Germany should have lost by 1941.

    But of course, that insane victory in the Ardennes means that France does not exist to the Americans. But then, Russia does not exist either! WW2 was about Africa, yay! Africa, and the Jews, almost forgot.

  245. anarchyst says:
    @Adûnâi

    Your comment:

    “Stalin’s gravest mistake was reopening the churches.”

    is wrong.

    Stalin’s greatest mistake was in not shutting down and destroying or “repurposing the synagogues, the same as was done to Christian churches, the synagogues all of which were in full operation during the entire bolshevik era.

    As is always the case, it’s the JEWS, it’s always the JEWS.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  246. Adûnâi says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    > “It must be said: unlike the Soviets, the retribution the Anglo-Americans inflicted on Germany was far, far, out of any conceivable proportion. Speaks very poorly of the Americans and British.”

    Obviously. And the Americans actually have the right to talk about how Germany did not start the war. Because Germany did not attack America or England. They invaded Poland, and France. But not America. For America, it was a holy war, a crusade for Jesus and Israel.

    Not even a geopolitical war. As far as I understand, the Soviet Union from Germany to China was far stronger that Eurasia split among Germany, Italy, England and Japan. But Americans did not care for their geopolitical interests – they fought for their very religion.

    (In the end, however, ’tis a clown world, and both the USSR and the USA rotted away like bad homosexualist sodomites they were – both were infected by Christianity, and committed suicide at their peak. What a boring world. Axiology trumps geopolitics.)

  247. Dannyboy says:
    @AnonFromTN

    As far as “blocking units” go, I believe what I’ve heard from people who actually fought Nazis in 1941-45.

    Kinda like all those “first hand accounts” of the “Holoco$t”…lol

    You’re obviously full of shit.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  248. Dannyboy says:

    Obviously, Katyn was perpetrated by the Germans. You choose to believe Auschwitz did not exist (a version nobody supports).

    Yeah, EVERYONE knows those goddamn Nazis did Katyn, and in addition EVERYONE knows The Jew Disneyland (aka Auschwitz) existed exactly as the Jew victimology fairytales describe…lol

  249. @Trinity

    instead of fighting on two fronts

    The second front was opened in June 1944 (D day), when the outcome of the war between Germany and the USSR was not in doubt any longer. In essence, the US and UK wanted to partake in the victory on the cheap. What’s more, they succeeded. They even made France one of the victors. Could have made Burkina Faso a victor, too, if it existed at the time.

  250. Anyone who thinks America will succumb to a “Red Terror ” should visit a gun range sometime. The firepower in the hands of ordinary Americans is staggering.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  251. Avery says:
    @Adûnâi

    {…… but why are you such a supporter of Jew-worshippers?}

    I am not exactly sure what you mean, but here is my story:

    1. I am of Armenian ancestry: Armenian Apostolic (Orthodox) Church Christian.

    2. For whatever reason, most humans need some kind belief in Deity (not me).
    And I don’t believe for a second that Earth was created in 6 days or such.
    My train of thought below, in that regard, is to counter some specific red-herrings in that area.

    3. For better or worse, Armenia was the first nation on earth to officially adopt Christianityas a state religion 1,700 years.

    4. It was mixed bag: 1,000s of years of Armenian creations influenced by Armenian Deities were lost, forgotten, destroyed,….

    5. HOWEVER: as Monotheism was spreading in the region, Armenians chose Christianity.
    Our genetic cousins, Persians/Iranians, chose (….or were forced to “choose”) Islam.
    They were far more numerous and powerful than Armenians; they had their own
    religion, Zoroastrianism. They lost it all.

    6. It was either Islam or Christianity: there was no other choice. For some reason human soul,
    like Nature, abhors vacuum. Not everybody is Mr. Spock or Mr. Data.

    7. There is no doubt in my mind that if Iranians had kept Zoroastrianism or chosen Christianity, Iran would be a much better place to day.

    8. Armenian Christian religious men have carried our unique Armenian culture, etc over centuries. They were learned men, and were always at the front with the fighting men and women when needed. Mesrob of Mastots, a learned religious man, created the unique, rich Armenian alphabet reportedly inspired by God.

    9. Had Armenians fallen under the spell of Islam, there would be no such thing as ‘Armenian’ today. Everything Armenian would dissolve in the vast ocean of Islam.

    10. The notion that Christ was supposedly Jewish and Christianity is a Jewish religion is not logically possible. (yes: I know all about the “books” claiming this or that).

    11. Assuming one believes Jesus Christ is one and only Son of God, then it follows that He cannon be Jewish, nor any other ethnicity. Since God created all men and women and all ethnicities/nationalities, He could not possibly be of any ethnos. He is God. It therefore follows that His son cannot be of any ethnos either.

    Hopefully I was able to shed some light as to your ‘why’.
    Thanks for the complement and the rational inquiry.
    Avery.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  252. Trinity says:
    @Thomas Milton

    Dude, America doesn’t need to worry about a “Red Terror,” this is 2020 and not 1956. smdh. “The firepower in the hands of ordinary Americans is staggering.” I am American born and raised but the hubris exhibited by the average American is almost as bad as the Jew. Americans did little in both World Wars but act as if they alone conquered the “evil Axis” powers, smdh. America was a late entry both times and made relatively small sacrifices when compared to the millions of Germans and Soviets who died in WWII for example. Germany used its B-team on the Western Front against Americans and Brits, and Germans could not believe how inept and physically weak some of the Brits and American troops were as a matter of fact. A German officer who was captured was asked what he thought about American troops, the German officer replied that the way Americans viewed the Italians was the same way the Germans thought of American soldiers.

    Seriously though, most Americans are scared to death of being called a name like “racist,” “anti-Semite”, “xenophobic”, blah, blah, blah, so an attacking army can just start calling them names and they will drop their weapons. lololol. Think about it, we are being conquered by a bunch of unarmed Mexican and south of the border farm workers at the moment, and the once mighty Europe is even more pitiful than America. smdh. Do I honestly think America could win a war against someone like China and/or Russia at the moment? Hmm, not sure.

  253. Bookish1 says:
    @Vaterland

    The only good thing that I can report is that the world the Allied Victor’s gave us is crumbling before our eyes because it is based on lies and Jewish greed contradicting natures laws at every turn. That which contradicts nature’s laws cannot last. Merkel and her kind stand out like a sore thumb. Their days are numbered. A great international depression is what we need.

  254. @Dannyboy

    Only deranged people (Jews and gentiles alike) are fixated on the holocaust. More Russians were killed in WWII than Jews, so you guys can stuff that holocaust business right up yours.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    , @Nonny Mouse
  255. Dannyboy says:
    @AnonFromTN

    My thoughts exactly.

    Depending on your preference of fatality estimates in WW2, it’s quite clear many more Christian gentiles perished than Jews.

    Still wondering why it’s being used all over the West as an excuse to prohibit free speech, imprison people and to let freaks and criminals run wild as well as to instill hatred of White Christian Civilization.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  256. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    Frankly, I think you are a far-left type judging by your posts.

    No kidding. Check his commenting history especially on I-Steve.

  257. Hibernian says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Yea, lump American WW2 vets in with the VC. You are the lowest of the low.

  258. @Avery

    For whatever reason, most humans need some kind belief in Deity (not me)

    Most people are intellectually and psychologically immature, so they crave a father figure. Heavenly old man in a nightgown satisfies that need. People need a father figure so badly that they eagerly buy the most preposterous stories, like that old man sacrificing his own son to himself (to who else? He is supposed to be almighty) to expiate the sins of their ancestors.

    I agree that the Persians would be much better off preserving Zoroastrianism, or even adopting Christianity: historically, Islam has a tendency to drag the society down. A few years ago I found that they even lost original Persian script and now use Arabic instead. A pity.

    Yes, if you assume that Jesus was a son of god, at least half of him should have no ethnicity. But if you believe the same book, his mother was Jewish, and presented him in the temple strictly following the rules for a Jewish child. So, using modern reasoning, he was genetically half-Jewish and was certainly brought up as a Jewish boy.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Malla
  259. @Dannyboy

    Yes, if you count Christians of every persuasion, the number of Christian victims in WWII exceeds the number of Jewish ones many times over. But he who controls the media controls the narrative. Guess who owns most of the lugenpresse in most Western countries.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  260. Hibernian says:
    @annamaria

    Polish people don’t want to be ruled by Russians. They’ve already had their fill of Russian rule.

  261. Dannyboy says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Yes, if you count Christians of every persuasion, the number of Christian victims in WWII exceeds the number of Jewish ones many times over. But he who controls the media controls the narrative. Guess who owns most of the lugenpresse in most Western countries.

    Right, so what exactly is your point?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  262. @Hibernian

    Let me tell you a secret: Russians have already had their fill of Poles. They don’t want to touch Poland even with a ten-foot pole (pun intended).

  263. @Hibernian

    No Russian government in recent memory (certainly not Putin’s) has threatened Poland in any way.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  264. @Adûnâi

    You say, “Stop spewing this insanity. Why did France not invade Germany in 1936? Why? You have no answer. Germany broke the Treaty of Versailles, why no invasion?”

    Your comment reveals you need a crash course in real history about World War II. A good starting point is Carroll Quigley’s The Anglo-American Establishment where he fully answers all your questions starting at around page 261. As he makes clear, it was indeed British policy to build up Germany over France and to undo the Versailles treaty. To understand the answer to why France did not attack Germany in 1936 it is unnecessary to look beyond the Locarno Pact of 1936 that, as Quigley described it, was “…the most complicated and deceitful international agreement between the Treaty of Versailles and Munich Pact….In reality, the agreements gave France nothing, while they gave Britain a veto power over French fulfillment of her obligations with Poland and the Little Entente.” In effect, it rendered France impotent to invade Germany without British approval that would not have been forthcoming especially as the London naval agreement allowed Germany to build capital ships up to 35% of the British navy while the French could build up to only 30% that effectively gave Germany naval superiority over France in the Atlantic when France simultaneously had to guard its Med flank against the Italians that compelled France to rely on the British navy to protect it against Germany that clearly signaled where the British stood. It effectively tied France’s hands to British apron strings, and as Quigley makes clear, the British during this period favored Germany over France. The old British “divide and conquer” routine it had employed for hundreds of year to dominate European affairs.

    The history you refer to is the fake history of World War II that has been propagated by the US-British co-conspirators who plotted to kick off World War II to crush the Germans in a repeat performance of the plot the British cooked up to trigger off Word War I that is detailed in Hidden History by Doohrty and Macgregor the main plot lines of which are inadvertently confirmed by other recently published books on the war..

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @Malla
  265. ivan says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Have a look inside since you claim that nobody knows anything about “blocking units”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  266. @AnonFromTN

    Very few people know that they have been indoctrinated. They think they know the truth. Do you know anybody like that?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  267. @Dannyboy

    Maybe I am preaching to the choir, considering what site this is. From my perspective take home message is, if MSM “report” something, you can safely assume it’s a lie. If a major publisher prints a book, you can safely assume the contents are a bunch of lies. MSM include not only printed liars, like NYT, WaPo, The Guardian, Financial Times, and their ilk, but also TV liars like CNN, BBC, and MSNBC, as well as online liars, like Wiki. Even here on Unz, lots of commenters cite Wiki, as if it is more trustworthy than used car salesmen.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  268. @Avery

    France invaded —INVADED—Germany on 7 September 1939. I’m sure they were trying to being democracy. It is really hard to think straight, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Avery
  269. Though I remain a libertarian (let the slings and arrows begin!) since 2016 I’ve been red-pilled on the deep-rooted and abiding tribalism of the human species with its concomitant cycles of abuse and revenge. Reading MacDonald’s “Culture of Critique” enlightened me further. We need to recognize (and be free to express the fact) that Jews have not always been innocent victims. There have always been atrocities on all sides.

  270. Dannyboy says:
    @Corvinus

    More like middle of the road.

    Which is how Leftist filth describe themselves in 2020, since we all realize the political spectrum has shifted radically left since the Marxist Revolution in the 60’s.

    Keep cucking, Cuckvinus.

  271. @ivan

    nobody knows anything about “blocking units”

    My point was (and is) that people who served at the front in 1941-45 saw no evidence of those units. Natural exceptions are the people who try to win kudos from their new masters by spewing whatever lies are expected. A telling example: Jews who ran from the USSR to the US in the seventies were telling stories how they were oppressed by the Soviets. They’ve fooled a lot of dupes and got some freebees in the US, which was the whole point of that exercise.

    You mentioned “testimony” in your original post. I suggest you read the Book of Mormon. It starts with a testimony (in fact, two testimonies). Should we just believe those “testimonies” and ignore the interests of the people who “testified”?

    • Replies: @ivan
  272. @ploni almoni

    My professional attitude is: “never believe anything without experimental proof”. Theories are a penny a dozen until proven. My experience in the USSR taught me that anyone claiming to know the truth with a capital “T” is a liar.

    I talked to quite a few people who were in the fighting units of the Soviet army and served at the front, including my father. I believe what they told me, rather than what people who never were there write in their books for profit.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  273. @Malla

    Wrong, NS Germany invaded the USSR to prevent a preemptive invasion of Central and Western Europe by the Soviets.

    And how did that end for NS Germany? No need to answer, we all know it.

    • Replies: @Malla
  274. @Malla

    And yet the British and the French who ACTUALLY STARTED WW2 by declaring war on Germany di not declare War on the Soviets. How is that?

    Wow, that would have been the most stupid thing to do on the part of the British and the French. That would have cemented the Nazi-Soviet alliance and there would have been no stopping them. They may have come to blows eventually arguing how to split the world between themselves.

  275. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    Obviously, Katyn was perpetrated by the Germans.

    Nope, Katyn was carried by the Communists.

    You choose to believe Auschwitz did not exist

    Auschwitz exists as a place on a map. I never denied the existence of Auschwitz!!!

    And as far as the so called “holocaust”, it is interesting that the legal ramifications in many countries for speaking the truth about the Holohoax is very serious but any tom dick or harry can deny the Katyn massacres, no legal ramifications for that. One wonders why.

    Because the secret clause only had a guarantee against German aggression.

    And why would two Christian Capitalist countries have a secret clause against a nation which had nothing against their Empires, did not threaten their nations with a ideology which would have destroyed their way of life and yet they supported a nation whose ideology would have completely destroyed their way of life and was a major threat to their Empires. The Soviets were actively working against the British & French Empires. It does not make any sense.

    Stop spewing this insanity.

    Insanity?

    Why did France not invade Germany in 1936?

    Invasion is a military decision, declaring war is a political decision. France declared war, how the nations conduct their war, their war strategy, comes after. Hitler tried several times for peace with the Western allies but was rebuffed. Any sensible British or French politician would have known that war with Germany at that moment in time would have serious consequences. Germany had ethnic Germans in Poland to care about, they had East Prussia from whom they were separated. There were no ethnic British or French interests in Poland to take such an idiotic risk. It was obviously done against their own national interests and at the heckling of international bankers, who wanted war with the Third Reich at any cost. Even the Soviet Union being a border state with Poland had some national interest. And the war led to both Britain and France coming out much weaker in the international order of things. It was a stupid decision, for which both of them paid heavily.

    • Replies: @the shadow
    , @Adûnâi
  276. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    And how did that end for NS Germany? No need to answer, we all know it.

    So they should have allowed the gigantic army of the Soviets to invade Central and Western Europe and just enjoyed the show? See the rest of Europe turn Communist and go through the same possible horrors what the Russians went through decades ago.

  277. @Malla

    You skered him well on every point.

    • Thanks: Malla
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  278. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Most people are intellectually and psychologically immature, so they crave a father figure. Heavenly old man in a nightgown satisfies that need. People need a father figure so badly that they eagerly buy the most preposterous stories, like that old man sacrificing his own son to himself (to who else? He is supposed to be almighty) to expiate the sins of their ancestors.

    Very true. We are a continuation of a tribal primitive past where all the phenomenon of nature seemed cool and awesome and beyond any rational explanation (for its time). There is even this theory that Yahweh was a Vocano God. If you read Moses’s description of his encounter with God up the mountain, it is very likely, he was worshiping a god damn Volcano somewhere in Arabia. Volcano worship is common from Japan to the Pacific Islands all the way to the tribes of Kenya.

    One thing I do not understand bout this Prophet and avatar business. God sends Prophets and avatars to guide mankind. And all of them are historic, came in the past, people we have never seen. Why is it that God all powerful not send such prophets and avatars today? For an all powerful entity this should not be very hard, sending or choosing such individuals in every generation of mankind.
    Why the Shia and Sunni have a difference of opinion, send a prophet immediately to settle the issue. Orthodox and Catholic and Protestants and Mormons disagree on some things, killing each other over these differences, why send Jesus again to clear the differences and point out which of them are correct. Why did no avatar of Vishnu appeared in India when the Muslim invaders were destroying Hindu temples and enslaving scores of Hindus. It makes no sense. For an all powerful entity this should not be very hard.

    So, using modern reasoning, he was genetically half-Jewish and was certainly brought up as a Jewish boy.

    By Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  279. @the shadow

    Skered

    Intellectually inferior people aren’t big on spelling. Surprise, surprise…

  280. @AnonFromTN

    A Russian grammar Nazi; ironic, no?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  281. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    My comments are for smart people, people with the smarts to understand my comments irrespective of my shitty spellings and typos.
    Of course there are some who have the misfortune of having infantile brains who need everything mushed up like baby food. My shitty spellings are bothersome to these kinds and they have my deepest sympathy for their condition.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  282. Malla says:
    @Avery

    Yes it is strange how it all turned out. There is no doubt that Sovietism ended up doing more to protect European traditions and populations than Westernism. Communism in the East did take a more nationalist bent with time as compared to the Early Bolshevik days when the “Internationale” was the National Anthem of Soviet Russia. I think Stalin’s destruction of the earlier Soviet Government and his victory over Trotsky helped a lot to trigger this process. But what if Trotsky would have ended up wining the power struggle over Stalin? Who knows how the Soviet world would have turned out?

    Many of the Soviet movies and cartoons seemed more European than many of their Western counterparts. Like that time machine movie about Tzar Ivan the Terrible coming to the present. Hell, even the movie ‘Waterloo’ was produced & directed in the Soviet Union.

    In the last days of WW2, Germany, the Germans concentrated more on fighting the Soviets than the Western allies as the Germans wanted the least amount of German territory falling to Soviet Communism. But if I would have been top commander in the German army and had some time machine to see the future, how Europe would turn out in the future, I would have instructed the German army to concentrate in fighting the Western allies and even help the Soviets in conquering as much of Europe as possible. In the long term this would ended better for Europe and Germany.

    However Soviet Communism could not solve the problem of low birth rates. Post Warsaw Pact countries from Russia to Poland to the Czech Republic all suffer from low birth rates. Even North Korea suffers from low birth rates just like South Korea across the border.

    There is a map of mosques in Germany today, shown as West Germany and East Germany.

    However is it not true that Moscow is full of mosques too, Central Asians coming in large numbers and large numbers of Muslims doing Namaz in Moscow. Is Moscow going the same way as Paris?
    And there are rumours that a large chunk of the Russian Army are now full of Muslims, how true is that?

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  283. Miro23 says:
    @Malla

    So, using modern reasoning, he was genetically half-Jewish and was certainly brought up as a Jewish boy.

    By Jewish law, if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish.

    I thought that Jesus was a Christian, and what does Jewish law say if your father was God? Also, what about the Immaculate Conception? Does that change anything ?

    • Replies: @Malla
  284. Adûnâi says:
    @anarchyst

    > “Stalin’s greatest mistake was in not shutting down and destroying or “repurposing[“] the synagogues, the same as was done to Christian churches, the synagogues all of which were in full operation during the entire bolshevik era.”

    In 1926, the synagogue was closed down by the Soviet authorities. The building was converted into an artisan club. The building was devastated during the World War II by Nazis and was subsequently used as a puppet theatre. An additional facade was built in the 1970s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodsky_Synagogue_(Kiev)

    In 1920, all the synagogues in Odessa were taken away from the Jewish community. The Brodsky Synagogue was transformed into the “Rosa Luxemburg Workers Club”, as recorded in YIVO archives, which was a meeting place to push socialist propaganda. The Ten Commandments over the synagogue’s ark were covered with a photo of Vladimir Lenin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodsky_Synagogue_(Odessa)

    Lying in the Internet age works only for the most retarded of fools.

  285. ivan says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You didn’t hear things from your father or uncles so it didn’t happen. Got it. It may interest you to know that the Jews who left the Soviet Union in the 70s were not an anti-Russian bunch. Anti-Soviet yes but not anti-Russian.They were quite an idealistic bunch. Some like Nathan Sharansky sold their soul to Zioniism . But in in the main they were idealists.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  286. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Great comments by everyone both pro-Soviet and anti-Soviet alike. I’m also very impressed there are a few here who can view Soviet/Russian history in a balanced way. All perspectives and viewpoints are important in the free exchange of ideas so while we may bicker among ourselves it is important that we all value free speech. We may not agree with each others’ conclusions but we should value everyone’s input and acknowledge that they certainly know what they’re talking about.

    That said I do want to correct a few errors. Like it or not but people did support the communists first in 1905 and again in 1917. Even during the interwar periods they maintained widespread support and once again during WW2 the people proved their loyalty.

    There is no way Stalin was going to invade central/eastern Europe. Maybe if Trotsky ruled the Soviet Union sure but not Stalin. Stalin was a risk averse man. Would he exploit disunity and conflict among enemies? Sure but that doesn’t mean an invasion was planned.

    Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin are the three most important figures in 20th century history. Since the 20th century casts such a large shadow over the present they still matter in the 21st century as well. Russian history and capitalist history is intertwined with the fate of nations and perhaps the world decided in Russia.

    Russia/China are the only hope today.

  287. Adûnâi says:
    @AnonFromTN

    > “From my perspective take home message is, if MSM “report” something, you can safely assume it’s a lie. If a major publisher prints a book, you can safely assume the contents are a bunch of lies.”

    Then how come the Chinese Coronavirus has proved out to be a real thing? You seem paranoid. Media generally report the truth.

    The lie is not the news. The lie is axiology. Listen to this debate. A Jew-worshipper against a self-hating Jew!

    What is the truth and where is a lie here? When these folks consider genocide absolutely evil, and when they think a scientific worldview must beget the love for sodomites! Fags vs fags! Westerners are sick in the head.

  288. Adûnâi says:
    @the shadow

    > “It effectively tied France’s hands to British apron strings, and as Quigley makes clear, the British during this period favored Germany over France. The old British “divide and conquer” routine it had employed for hundreds of year to dominate European affairs.”

    But you should admit that England lost WW2? That their continuation of the war after the Fall of France was suicidal? And can only be explained on religious grounds?

    At the same time, if they hated NatSoc that much, they could have green lit a French invasion in 1936… but did not. Because, you think, they wanted to dominate European affairs… and thus threw away their colonial Empire to the Negroes, threw Europe to the Soviets, and their island to the Americans instead? Makes little sense.

    No, the official account seems far more credible. They were scared to start a war, but when they did, they fought till the destruction of the NSDAP.

    • Replies: @the shadow
  289. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “And why would two Christian Capitalist countries have a secret clause against a nation which had nothing against their Empires, did not threaten their nations with a ideology which would have destroyed their way of life and yet they supported a nation whose ideology would have completely destroyed their way of life and was a major threat to their Empires. The Soviets were actively working against the British & French Empires. It does not make any sense.”

    Hilarious that you think like that. Wasn’t it National Socialist Germany that was staunchly anti-Christian? Wasn’t it Hitler that put the life of an animal over that of a Jew? Do you believe Germany posed less of a threat to the capitalist world order – not geopolitically, but in the matters of religion?

    > “Invasion is a military decision, declaring war is a political decision. France declared war, how the nations conduct their war, their war strategy, comes after. Hitler tried several times for peace with the Western allies but was rebuffed. Any sensible British or French politician would have known that war with Germany at that moment in time would have serious consequences.”

    Not 1939. A war in 1936 after Germany had broken the Treaty of Versailles would have ended in a week. That’s what I’m saying – lazy degenerates. And Hitler got them all. Until it came to the Russians. Those Russians were not the gays of 1989, they still loved their race in 1941.

    https://www.marxists.org/subject/art/literature/mayakovsky/1929/my-soviet-passport.htm

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @AnonFromTN
  290. Malla says:
    @Miro23

    I thought that Jesus was a Christian, and what does Jewish law say if your father was God? Also, what about the Immaculate Conception? Does that change anything ?

    Wow, I will have to ask that to a Rabbi. Some heavy questions there.
    I have come across material in my research on Christianity which proved/claimed that Jesus’s family was not Jewish but Galilean or something like that, and that Jesus being Jewish is false. I cannot seem to find it now.
    Also many Jews became Christians in the early periods. Jewishness is a religion and a tribe while Christianity is not a tribe. Before Christianity, Jews actively did convert the goyim, but when many Jews became Christians in the early years of Christianity, the Jews came to the conclusion, either true or not, that these Jews who converted were the goy who converted to Judaism/Pharisee-ism earlier, not the true 100% Jews. And hence the Judaism as we know it (Post Christ) makes conversion very very difficult.

    Also there is this possibility that the Israelites (Check out the ‘Not so Chosen People’ series) were a different people than the Jews and may have been enemies of the Jews. So a lot of what is written in the Old Testament is not related to the people we call Jews.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  291. Malla says:
    @the shadow

    Hew bud check out this book.

    https://archive.org/download/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939ByDr.FriedrichStieve.pdf

    What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933-1940

    Friedrich Stieve
    Sandycroft Publications, 25-Oct-2016 – History – 94 pages

    Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe–and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

    The author lists all of Hitler’s offers in detail, complete with quotes, starting with his first offer of May 17, 1933, his second offer of December 18, 1933, his third offer of May 21, 1935, his fourth offer of March 31, 1936, his fifth offer of September 30, 1938, his sixth offer of December 6, 1938, his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally, his offer of world peace on October 6, 1939, just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).

    A new edition benefits from four new sections which did not appear in the original publication (am not sure if the above linked pdf is the new one or the old one). These are:

    – The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;

    – Hitler’s Political Testament, dictated just hours before his death on April 29, 1945, wherein he spelled out once again how he had tried to avoid the war, and blamed Jewish agitators for the refusal of other nations to accept his peace offers;

    – Hermann Göring’s final letter–from this death cell in Nuremberg–to Winston Churchill, in which he blamed the latter’s warmongering on behalf of “Jewish Bolsheviks” for the conflict; and

    An extract from The Forrestal Diaries, in which the US Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal quotes British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain as complaining that “the world Jews” have forced England into the war.

    As early as 1933 (and to this very day) Germany’s enemies have maintained that Adolf Hitler was the greatest disturber of peace known to history. But Hitler’s repeated attempts to induce the governments of other states to collaborate with him in a reconstruction of Europe are an ever-recurring pattern in his conduct. These attempts were wrecked every time because nowhere was there any willingness to give them due consideration. This synopsis from 1940 gives a brief overview of Hitler’s various peace plans from the early days of the Third Reich until after WW2 had already broken out – and it also shows how these efforts at preserving peace were thwarted by those who… simply did not want peace.

    • Thanks: annamaria, Trinity, John Regan
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  292. @AnonFromTN

    My typing sucks. It was supposed to read skewered. But you knew that, and that the properly spelled word said everything about the response to the comments being skewered.

    That you actually made a point about the typo also says everything about your intellectual capacity.

    • Agree: L.K
  293. Trinity says:
    @ivan

    Hey, Ivan, you sound more like a Shlomo than an Ivan. How much is Hasbara paying in shekels to type deceptive bullshit these days?

  294. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    Hilarious that you think like that. Wasn’t it National Socialist Germany that was staunchly anti-Christian? Wasn’t it Hitler that put the life of an animal over that of a Jew? Do you believe Germany posed less of a threat to the capitalist world order – not geopolitically, but in the matters of religion?

    Seriously???
    The Soviet Union was definitely a much bigger threat to the Western way of life than the Third Reich. Was a threat way before the NSDAP came into power. Contrary to propaganda, life in the Third Reich for average person was not that different than life of a commoner in Britain or France. Indeed the people were much happier as their quality of life had improved a lot.
    Hitler’s view about Christianity is ambiguous, mix of pro and anti. The National Socialists had not destroyed churches as the Soviets had. The Soviets on the other hand were definitely anti-Christian and anti-religious overall. There was not ambiguity here.
    Hitler was an Anglophile, if the common Briton was not told that by their controlled press, the establishment definitely knew that. He supported the British Empire as a bulwark against Communism (but turned totally against it much later on, even supporting Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose). The Soviet Union was working against the British Empire from day one, from the days of Lenin.
    The Third Reich was definitely a threat to the concept of democracy but come on, who are we kidding here, Soviet Russia was no friend of democracy either. The Bolsheviks were never voted into power. From a national perspective of Britain, the Soviets were always a bigger threat than the Third Reich.

    Do you believe Germany posed less of a threat to the capitalist world order

    No, to vulture Wall Street type Capitalism, the Third Reich was a more real threat than the fake threat of Soviet Russia. And hence the war against Germany.

    Not 1939. A war in 1936 after Germany had broken the Treaty of Versailles would have ended in a week.

    1936 or 1939, war with Germany was not in British interests. Besides there were political forces in both Britain and France who did not want war. The political forces in favour of war won out by 1939. The British and French populations were not eager for war as WW1 was fresh in everyone’s mind. They had to be built up. It was in Britain’s and America’s national interest to destroy the Soviets and Communism before even thinking of destroying Germany as Communism was obviously a far bigger threat to the British and American way of life than National Socialism. Communism was from its very beginning a global ideology which wanted to spread itself through out the world, remember “Workers of the World Unite” and anthems like ‘The Internationale’. Hitler had no or very little interest in spreading National Socialism in America or Britain, the Communists were surely interested in spreading their ideology in the USA, France and Great Britain. Anybody with half a brain knew this. Instead the USA gave Soviet Russia Land Lease supplies. In which sane universe would a country like the USA which “stood for freedom” provide resources to a country like Soviet Russia? Seriously?
    Ended in a week?? Yes with a possible German victory. Hitler always complained about the timing of WW2. If there was to be a war at all (he wanted peace before all else to rebuild and build up Germany), he would have preferred it earlier or much later than the period when WW2 took place.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  295. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    Those Russians were not the gays of 1989, they still loved their race in 1941.

    Ofcourse. “The Russians of 1941 were gays who did not love their race”, is a though so ridiculous, it would have never entered my mind ever. Where did I ever make such a ridiculous claim???I never had any doubts about the bravery of the Russian soldier (or other Soviet soldier) in WW1, WW2 or even the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. Nor have I any doubts about the technological abilities of the Soviets in WW2.

  296. @AnonFromTN

    More Russians than Jews were killed in WWII. Yes. But you’re missing the point. The “Holocaust” is essential to the Jews. If it were not for the “Holocaust” there probably would not be any Jews in the world today. Before it was possible to point to the delicious “6 million”, the Jews were forever pointing the finger at Chmielnitsky, a Cossack rebellion they claimed huge numbers for, supposedly aimed at the Jews as Jews. But now they had something better, and several Jewish, yes, Jewish historians suddenly pointed out that the number of Jewish deaths in that episode were several orders of magnitude lower than had been “commemorated” for the previous two centuries.

    Possibly, just possibly, I should be saying the Zionists rather than the Jews. That would bring me close to what Gilad Atzmon says about the “Holocaust religion” in The Wandering Who?

  297. BAP says:

    History repeats itself:

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/feb/21/un-rapporteur-warns-of-rise-of-cybertorture-to-bypass-physical-ban

    (the subject of remote physical torture wasn’t mentioned, curiously)

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  298. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I had quite a few American born and bred graduate students. Only one of them could be trusted to write paper drafts grammatically. She said that the reason for this is that she had a very strict English professor in college, who happened to be a Chinese guy.

  299. @Malla

    Malla,

    Douglas Reed in The Controversy of Zion, in Chapter 10 “The man from Galilee” states:

    If the statement, “Jesus was a Jew”, has meaning therefore, it must apply to the conditions prevailing in his time. In that case it would mean one of three things, or all of them: that Jesus was of the tribe of Judah (therefore Judahite); that he was of Judean domicile (and therefore Judean); that he was religiously “a Jew”, if any religion denoted by that term existed in his time.

    Race, residence, religion, then.

    He concludes that on all three accounts Jesus was not a Jew. I won’t bother posting his evidence. You can get a pdf version of the book for free on the www. Most of his arguments are on pages 51-52.

    • Thanks: Malla
  300. @Malla

    Excuses, excuses…

    • Replies: @Malla
  301. Trinity says:

    You people do realize that the same tribe that controlled the Soviet Union are the same tribe that controlled much of the British Empire before, during and after WWII, don’t you? You people do realize that 300 of the 384 commissars in the Soviet Union in 1918 were Jews, and of that 300, 264 had come from America since the downfall of the Imperial Government. The question isn’t was Germany or the Soviet Union a bigger threat to the West but should be is Jewish “capitalism” or Jewish “communism” a bigger threat to the West. Germany was trying her best to set the White race free from the Jewish stranglehold that held down the Soviet Union and the rest of the traditionally White nations like England and America ( of course, America wasn’t traditionally White, but it was built by Whites.)

    WWII was about the genocide of Whites in traditionally White nations. Tens of millions of our ancestors died, Europe crumbled, and for what? The same tribe that ruled back then is still ruling in 2020. What did Europe or America gain by defeating the Axis powers? Well we did stop hostile foreigners from invading our lands, raping our women and refusing to obey our laws didn’t we? Oh wait, that is happening today and our government doesn’t give two shits about it, in fact some in our government are encouraging it. And those poor Jews that we saved from those “evil Nazis,” they are front and center at pushing open borders for every White nation on earth while they push for a Jew only state of Israel and expanding Israel’s borders by using “our” soldiers to fight their Arab cousins for a Greater Israel. Russkies or Krauts? Was WWII ever really about which was worse for America and the West? Come on, man. A damn NYC Jewish banker bankrolled Japan in the Russo-Japanese war and then funded the Jewish takeover of the Soviet Union aka The “Bolshevik Revolution.” Why in the hell would a capitalist NYC banker bankroll a “commie” takeover? Pretty self explanatory isn’t it.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  302. Populists espoused the view that the capitalist system is a Jewish conspiracy and a part of a “Jewish world plot.” Many modern anti-Semites by an intellectual sleight-of-hand have added the communists and socialists as agencies to this “Jewish world plot.”
    https://archive.org/stream/ZygmundDobbsTheGreatDeceit/Zygmund%20Dobbs%20-%20The%20Great%20Deceit_djvu.txt

  303. BAP says:
    @Bert Bervoets

    Yet most of the political leaderships of every movement since before the fall of Rome were jewish or closely connected to them. What a coincidence, huh?

  304. @Adûnâi

    Those Russians were not the gays of 1989

    Yes, in 1989-91 many Russians were fooled by Western lies about democracy, prosperity, etc. A big chunk of the blame for that is squarely on the Soviet regime: it did not let its citizens travel to the “Western paradise”, let alone live and work there. People who have first-hand experience living and working in self-appointed “democratic countries” know the reality and therefore would never believe those lies.

    However, let’s be fair. Soviet Union was disbanded at the end of 1991, and as early as 1993 Russians rebelled. Traitorous Yeltsin regime had to spill a lot of blood to suppress that rebellion (with loud explicit approval of “democratic” governments spewing BS about human rights). However, popular rejection of self-proclaimed “democracy” of the 1990s not just persisted, it became deeper. That explains Putin’s popular support, which he often abuses.

  305. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “…his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully…”

    What an absolute joke. This utter moron comes out and tries to cut apart Poland peacefully, and gets turned down! What a shocker! No wonder the imbecile lost the war.

    Can you imagine Pakistan’s trying to resolve the Jammu predicament peacefully – by swallowing it? Would you blame India for laughing it off and nuking Islamabad in response? You neo-Nazis are hilarious.

    Hitlerism needs no foes with allies such as yourself. Lies and bullshit, and bullshit lies. It is incredible that I will agree with the oblivious-of-history Americans, and consider the Holocaust as the biggest achievement of Germany – but you deny it!

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Malla
  306. @Malla

    Many of the Soviet movies and cartoons seemed more European than many of their Western counterparts.

    If you have the chance check out a recent Russian film The legend of Kolovrat (2017) or Furious in English about a hero who fought the Mongol hordes. It is directed by an Uzbek director Dzhanik Fayziev, probably a Muslim, and the music is by Armenian Serj Tankian, the frontman of the American band System of a Down, . As far as I could interpret it, the film ends with a clear 14 word message (both of the 14 word messages actually – unspoken but obvious from the visuals), as the few survivors of battles send away the children and women down riverboats to safety and the narrator relates that years later the Russians came back to drive the Mongols away.

    Regarding internationalism of the former communist governments, I would say that it consisted mainly of supporting Third World countries in their struggle against colonialism and imperialism, and assisting them with their development. They never preached open borders or the importing of Third Worlders. Allowing some students to come and learn was about the limit; and if a few married locals and stayed on that was acceptable, but no way did they promote mass miscegenation or immigration.

    • Replies: @Malla
  307. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “The Soviet Union was definitely a much bigger threat to the Western way of life than the Third Reich. Was a threat way before the NSDAP came into power. Contrary to propaganda, life in the Third Reich for average person was not that different than life of a commoner in Britain or France.”

    Dude, I hate the West and capitalism. To me, it is praise to call NatSocs dangerous to the fat capitalist bourgeoisie.

    > “The National Socialists had not destroyed churches as the Soviets had.”

    See, to me, a good Christian is a crucified Christian. But you are missing the point. From the height of a century, we can see that the USSR was a hopelessly Christian country; internationalist and weak. Whereas Hitlerian Germany seems to have shown more signs of life with the millions of Jewish corpses they procured and hid in the ground like diamonds in the rough.

    > “Communism was from its very beginning a global ideology which wanted to spread itself through out the world, remember “Workers of the World Unite” and anthems like ‘The Internationale’.”

    Stalin was not an internationalist. Stalin murdered Trotsky with an axe.

    > “In which sane universe would a country like the USA which “stood for freedom” provide resources to a country like Soviet Russia? Seriously?”

    That is not to me. I don’t care about what Americans call “freedom”. Yes, helping Russia was suicidal for the nations of the West because Germany was their brotherly people.

    > “Ofcourse. “The Russians of 1941 were gays who did not love their race”, is a though so ridiculous, it would have never entered my mind ever.”

    Many neo-Nazis deny Russians the right to defend themselves. They think, Russians should have rolled over and died. To be fair, I hold this same opinion – the post-1945 world has shown Russians to have been mortally sick and lusting after that American dick. But their ancestors in the 1940s were indeed men, and deserved to win, no matter their faggot children that would sell out their fatherland for the American shekels.

    • Replies: @Malla
  308. Adûnâi says:
    @BAP

    “Cybertorture” is some of the most pathetic words I have ever seen. My god. The wimpiness of the Westerners knows no bounds. I hoped they would stop at “cyberbullying”…

    Back in my day, torture was about burning people alive, boiling them alive, cutting off their limbs, crushing their limbs, and pouring burning oil over their skin.

    One old man says at the fountain, that his right hand, armed with the knife, will be burnt off before his face; that, into wounds which will be made in his arms, his breast, and his legs, there will be poured boiling oil, melted lead, hot resin, wax, and sulphur; finally, that he will be torn limb from limb by four strong horses. […] and it was all done in open day, in the open streets of this city of Paris; and nothing was more noticed in the vast concourse that saw it done, than the crowd of ladies of quality and fashion, who were full eager attention to the last – to the last, Jacques, prolonged until nightfall, when he had lost two legs and an arm, and still breathed!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-François_Damiens

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  309. @Bert Bervoets

    That’s because capitalism and socialism have a Janus-faced relationship.

  310. Adûnâi says:
    @Trinity

    > “You people do realize that the same tribe that controlled the Soviet Union are the same tribe that controlled much of the British Empire before, during and after WWII, don’t you?”

    Sounds like bullshit.

    > “You people do realize that 300 of the 384 commissars in the Soviet Union in 1918 were Jews, and of that 300, 264 had come from America since the downfall of the Imperial Government.”

    300 Jews won the Russian Civil War. Understood. Sounds like anime.

    > “Germany was trying her best to set the White race free from the Jewish stranglehold that held down the Soviet Union and the rest of the traditionally White nations like England and America…”

    No, they were trying to defeat and genocide Russia for the German nation – but got beaten instead. And got a fair treatment at the hands of incredibly merciful Bolsheviks.

    > “What did Europe or America gain by defeating the Axis powers?”

    It was Russia that defeated Germany, you dolt. Look at the map.

    > “And those poor Jews that we saved from those “evil Nazis,” they are front and center at pushing open borders for every White nation on earth…”

    Stop it. Seriously. Stop blaming Jews for the open borders in the West. Jews were allowed in America in the 1890s. Who asked to allow them? Who made you allow them into the US? You yourselves.

    Who made you grant Negroes equal rights? Who gave Negroes your White women? You yourselves.

    The White race is suiciding like a sick dog. Because of Christianity. Not Jews.

  311. @Adûnâi

    Your questions about whether I “should admit that England lost WW2? That their continuation of the war after the Fall of France was suicidal?” reveals that you entirely missed the point I made about how WWII was just a reprise of WWI that was triggered by Britain as detsailed in the book Hidden History that I cited for you.

    As detailed in the book, the British began organizing their conspiracy with France, Belgium and Russia around the time of the Moroccan crisi of 1895 and going on to the Boer War when the Kaiser had the gall to chide the British for their mistreatment of Boer prisones who were dying by the thousands in the concetration camps the British set up. The Boer was intself was instigated by the British who set up the Boers to start it by various subterfuges that are too complicated to explain here especially when the book I cited lays them out in detail.

    It doesn’t take much research to discover that Britain was prompted to initiate its conspiracy to launch a war against Germany by maneuvering the situatuion to make the Germans appear to start it because GErmany was outstripping Britian technologically, scientifically, industrially, economically and socially at the dawning of the industrial age as exemplified by GErman scienists rabbing the lion’s share of Nobel prizes at that time. Just as important, the German education system was so extensive that more than 80% of German soldiers in WWI were literate compared to fewer than 20% of British and French soldiers. Guess whose work force was better trianed for the age of technology.

    GErmany had to be crushed to enable Britain to maintain her dominant p[osition in Europe.

    The conspiracy to start the war had been completed when the assassination of the Archduke conveniently provided the pretext for launching it and m,aking Germany appear to be the aggressor
    by feeling compelled to strike first against the forces of France, Rissua and clearly Britain mobilizing on her two frontiers.

    [MORE]

    The fact that Germany ignoring Belgian neutrality was purely a pretext rather than the real reason for British entry is made crystal clear by the German ambassador to England point blank asking Grey if Britain would commit to remaining neutral in a war with France if Germany respected Belgian neutrality, he refused to answer. That refusal told everything to the Kaiser who saw it that Britain was indeed part of the conspiracy to start a war with Germany, and he was right.

    The British then used the 37 days from the assassination to the start of the war to maneuver the situation by egging their allies into starting mobilization to force Germany’s hand. The signal event that shows how deeply the British were involved is that the Kaiser had sent a letter to his cousin the czar pleading with him to send to Berlin a trusted envoy so they could avoid the forthcoming bloodletting. The czar agreed and directed a trusted Field Marshall to undertake the journey. The British got wind of it, and had their trusted lackey in the Russian government arrest the Field Marshall at the St. Petersburg railroad station. The lie about Germany mobilizing first was propagated by, among others, Tuchman who embedded it into the public consciousness in her Guns of August.

    That WWII was merely a reprise of WWI that Britain conspired to launch but this time with her US ally is also made crystal clear by how they now used Poland as the pretext.

    As Quigley makes clear, the British policy the government laid out in 1934 was that “…concessions should be made to Germany to strengthen her on the Continent and Eastern Europe, while Britain would remain strong enough on the sea and in the air to prevent Hitler from using war to obtain these concessions (p. 269).” Indeed, Lord Halifax met for a long discussion with Hitler in 1937 that led Germany to believe, among other things, “…that Britain was prepared to allow Germany to liquidate Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland if this could be done without provoking a war into which … the British government, however unwillingly, would be dragged in opposition to Germany” (p. 275).

    As Quigley notes, to accomplish the British plan of allowing Germany to drive east against Russia,. the British had to do the three following things: “(1) to liquidate all the countries standing between Germany and Russia; (2) to prevent France from honoring her alliances with these countries; and (3) to hoodwink the English people into accepting this as a necessary, indeed, the only solution to the international problem.” Quigley concludes that the plan “…failed only because of the obstinacy of the Poles, the unseemly haste of Hitler, and the fact that at the eleventh hour the Milner group [that was the force behind the plan] realized the implications of their policy and tried to reverse it [e.a.]” (p. 266).

    Quigley unfortunately provides only a murky explanation of what prompted the “reversal” and when it occurred. He clearly identifies two of the three stages of the “appeasement” policy Britain followed that ended, the second running from 1934 to 1937, the last from 1937 to 1940 when Britain was already at war with Germany. The last gasp of the third stage apparently was that Britain was “…was prepared “to declare war” but not “to wage war” om Germany as a way out of the difficulty created by the government having “… to declare war to stay in office if public opinion was sufficiently aroused” (p. 275), without actually identifying who aroused it and why,

    The cardinal issue that Quigley avoids that tells the whole story is how the economies of Britain, the US and other countries were faring compared to Germany’s. Hitler in a 1938 speech in which he ridiculed Roosevelt’s puny efforts to deal with the US depression compared to how Germany had dealt with theirs pointed, among other things, that in the five years that they both had been in power, Germany no longer had unemployment while unemployment had been reduced by merely 1 million in America. Anyone interested in the full account simply Google up Hitler’s 1938 speech . Very eye opening.

    How did he do it. At its simplest, the government took over the central bank and the money Germany created by its bank was used solely to pay for actual goods and services produced by Germans. In one fell swoop, he cut out the bankers from the process creating money by making loans at interest that imposed a usury tribute on the economy. That, of course is still what is happening in America, with the Fed Reserve creating trillions of dollars out of thin air that they pump into the economy to keep it afloat while allowing the banks to steal trillions in interest from those who actually produce the real goods and services the public needs for survival.

    Hitler thus committed the unpardonable crime of demonstrating to the world how the economy could function without having to rely on the machinations of financers who used their power over money to fleece the people.

    The really interesting point is that the British sort of attempted to switch horses in mid-stream by supposedly reversing their policy. In point of fact, the reversal succeeding purely as a result of the “obstinacy of the Poles,” that Quigley identified as the reason for its failure. The really interesting question, however, is what prompted the obstinancy of the Poles, and what was it that they were so obstinately opposing?

    Their obstinacy was refusing even to discuss thrre criytical sticking points between Germany and Poland. These were: (1) transit of Grman goods across the Corridor from Germany to East Prussia that had been cut off from Germany, with GHermany seeing free transit while the Poles demanding payment of cutoms duties; (2) the status of the free city of Danzing, which the Poles were threatening by illegally sending police units within the city boundaries; and (3) the terrorism by POoles against German civilians who had remained in the corridor after it had been split off to Poland. Hitler offered one proposal after another to address these issues, with all of his proposals favorable to Poland.

    The files of the Polish foreign office that the Germans captured made it very clear that it was the US (especially Roosevelt) and British who were egging the Poles on insolently to refuse even to respond to Hitler’s offers. While both the US and Britain denounced them as forgeries, their authenticity has been proven beyond doubt and reveals the hidden hands fueling the crisis just as the hidden hands had done for the run up to World War I.

    It was the continuing terrorism against the German civilians that finally forced Hitler’s hand when nothing he did to resolve matters peacefully bore fruit. He could, after all, hardly stand up as the champion of the German people while allowing Poles to murder Germans in the corridor. That situation was inflaming German public opinion to force Hitler’s had as surely as Quigley notes that public opinion in England might force the hand of the government to declare war to remain in office. Except, of course, Quigley ignores this point entirely with respect to how the Poles were equally inflaming German public opinion to force Hitler’s hand.

    It was into this explosive mixure that two triggers were inserted that detonated it.

    The first was the blank check Chamberlain allegedly gave the Poles that Britain would defend their territorial integrity when he Poles deemed it to be threatened.

    The second was that when he British half-hearted tried to enslist the Russians to join them in securing Poland’s territorial integrity against anyone who threatened it, the Poles absolutely vetoed it by refusing to allow Rusian troops to entertheir territory that turned the Britsh promise into a mirage.

    The issue is now posed exactly where the asasassination of the archduke put Europe just before WWI, with the Polish integrity replacing Belgium’s neutraily as the pretext for starting it.

    The Russo-German Pact triggered it.

    Notice how cleverly the fuse had been primed.

    Had Britain been serious about avoiding war, instead of giving Poland an empty promise that it could not fulfill without Russian support, it would have made its support for Poland’s teroritial integrity conditioned upon Poland accepting that assistance. Failing that, Britain could have made clear Poland was then on its own.

    Ah, but in that case, since Poland was determined to keep the Soviets out of Poland when they had barely beaten the Red Army at the gates of Warsaw in the 1920’s, their only way out would have been to negotiate a fair treaty about outstnading issues with Germany that they could have had on favorable terms.

    Peace would have been maintained, but it would have left the Brits in a boat without paddles.

    Even worse would have been the Poles accepting the entry of the Red Army as the basis for the Polish guarantee. That would surely have stayed Hitler’s hand because he was not going to take on at once the coalition that had defeated Germany in WWI, and the generals would surely have overthrown him had he tried.

    Peace would again have been maintained. But that would have left the Brits high and dry somewhere.

    Thus the only way to trigger the war and again make Germany the aggressor was by England giving that unconditional guarantee (the equivalent of Belgian neutrality) while making its fulfillment impossible while leaving it open for Germany to reach an understanding with Russia that left its back protected and free to turn on the British and French should they seek to fulfill an impossible guarantee. The failure of the British to insist the Poles agree to conditions necessary for the British to fulfill their guarantee undoubtedly led Hitler to assume the British were not serious and would not start another World War over Poland.

    That was his cardinal mistake for not learning from how the British had tricked the kaiser into becoming the agressor with the pretext over Belgium.

    Lastly, you say it made little sense for the British not to greenlight the French to go against Germany in 1936 only to later throw away their empire and Europe to the Russians.

    What your comments ignore is that things don’t always go according to plan.

    What nobody expected, even the German generals, was the crushing defeat the Wehrmacht inflicted at lightening speed against everyone in 1940 that brought all of Western Europe under German control.

    That, howeveer, is another story for a different time

    • Thanks: Adûnâi
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  312. BAP says:
    @Adûnâi

    Yes, your fellow UN jews are trying to reframe human trafficking, remote physical torture, medical abuse, mass human experimentation, spying and sabotage as these new buzzwords, “psychological torture” and “cybertorture”, so the JEWstice system can let them get away with this. I know you are sad you can’t openly persecute people anymore.

    But you always did nothing wrong anyway.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  313. @Bert Bervoets

    No surprise there. Lots of people blame Jews for the 1917 Russian revolution and for the 1991 Russian counter-revolution, often in the same breath. They condemn Soviet system as Jewish conspiracy, and accuse that same system of oppressing the Jews.

    This attitude is expressed best in a Ukrainian joke (which sounds best in Ukrainian, but can be translated).
    – What’s that black thing over there? Is it Jews?
    – No, that’s a piano.
    – What’s that white thing over there? Is it Jews?
    – No, that’s piano keys.
    – What are they made of?
    – Ivory.
    – Those damn Jews killed such a nice elephant!

    • Replies: @BAP
  314. BAP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You are always unjustly oppressed, accused and persecuted angELs who did nothing wrong. This happened 1030 times in 109 countries and every single time it wasn’t your fault.

  315. @BAP

    There’s actually an old Russian proverb: “The Jew always tells you what happened to him, but he never tells you why.”

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  316. @Beefcake the Mighty

    There lots of Jewish jokes in Russia. I could have written a book full of them, but I am sure somebody already did that. My favorite is this one:
    – Why do Jews always answer the question with a question?
    – What do you think?

  317. @BAP

    Thanks for illustrating my point.

    Only little kids (and psychologically immature adults) always blame someone else for everything. Real men (and women) do not look for scapegoats, but address the actual problem, and therefore have a chance of solving it.

    • Replies: @BAP
    , @Trinity
  318. BAP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Nice projection, given you always flood the countries you want to wreck with immigrants then blame them for the collapse you caused, invent external threats (commies, fascists, …) and “enemies of the week” (white supremacists for SJWs, gays for rednecks, …), always dodge the blame for everything you caused and “did nothing wrong”, …
    I know facts don’t matter to stupid people and sociopaths like you, but I still pretend to have freedom of expression around here.

  319. Trinity says:
    @AnonFromTN

    It seems to me that anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that THEY were the problem after being 86’ed on 109 different occasions. IF your best friend had been kicked out of every restaurant or every bar in town over and over, shouldn’t you tell him or her that obviously THEY have the problem and not the other way around? And we still see the same behavioral patterns today. Self projection their guilt onto others like the “holocaust” which even if it were true, pales in comparison to the crimes committed in the Soviet Union by Jewish Bolsheviks, greed, usury, pornography, sex trafficking underage girls, organized crime, loyalty to only Israel, spy rings that spy on the host nation where they reside ala Jonathan Pollard, etc. The list goes on and on. Burying your head in the sand and denying the truth doesn’t sound very “mature” to me. I doubt that Jews were ever kicked out of any city, town, or nation because of their ethnicity or religion. The “anti-Semite” card is as worn out and abused as the “race card” and just about as truthful. The only people who are discriminated against in America and Europe are Whites, that is why so many Jews refuse to live in Israel full time and why so many nonwhites want to live in Europe, Australia, Canada, and America.

    • Agree: Bookish1, anarchyst
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  320. @Trinity

    Amazing. Only a totally blind person could have written all of this to a non-Jew. With friends like you, Jew-haters need no enemies.

  321. @AaronB

    ‘… I even singled out the exact gentile whose blood I wanted to drink! Now he gets to live another year. Great. Just great.’

    It’s okay from my point of view.

    • LOL: AaronB
  322. Hibernian says:
    @AnonFromTN

    People with the greatest access to the truth often have the greatest motivation to lie.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  323. @Hibernian

    I think you overestimate so-called “leaders”. Theoretically, they have access to the truth. In reality, they usually lack intelligence and imagination to seek and/or understand it. The dumbest ones sincerely believe their own propaganda. That’s why people with ordinary intelligence and a bit of street smarts, like Xi or Putin, look so great in comparison with pathetic nonentities passing for “leaders” elsewhere.

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  324. annamaria says:
    @Adûnâi

    Ms. Adûnâi, perhaps you are too temperamental in your discussion of the facts of WWII.
    No need to behave like an unruly teen and insult other readers. This forum is for intelligent adults.

    FYI: “In March of 1939, with Germany’s permission, Poland invaded Czechoslovakia…”

    “Poland’s participation in the annexation of Czechoslovakia in 1938 was not only an error, but above all a sin,” Kaczynski told an audience of world leaders … “This was and shall forever remain a wrong,” he added.

    President Kaczynski’s remarks were made in speeches commemorating the 70th anniversary of the start of WW II.

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  325. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia at the dawn of the 20th century was already woke and very much like the USA in the period running up to 2015/2016 a land of enormous potential but also immense despair. It had mass poverty, endless wars, free trade, high crime, social dysfunction, personal indebtedness, and weak rulers. The idle rich in Russia also embraced free love, extramarital affairs, bastard children, and homosexuality including the royals. This all culminated in Bloody Sunday a massacre of peaceful petitioners demanding dignity, prosperity, reform, and representation in public affairs.

    Once free speech, political parties, and the duma (parliament/congress) were legalized the radical press loved highlighting the degeneracy of the upper classes as a way to attack, muckrake, weaken, discredit, and delegitimize everything. They were constantly trying to incite riots even when no social discord existed after the Russian Revolution of 1905. The Great War was their chance to bring down the system, change the world, and win the soul of Russia forever. Russia should have been neutral during WW1 but if Russia had to pick a side they should have supported the Central Powers. In Trump I see shades of Lenin in the sense that both are wealthy, well bred, love politics, castigate opponents, and are purveyors of destruction like bulls in a china shop.

    The League of the Three Emperors were the natural alliance at the time, but the three imperial houses were still caught up in medieval thinking about who controlled Bosnia instead of recognizing the 20th century reality that their most important enemies were internal. With a bit of vision, this ought to have been obvious by 1848. To be oblivious to it after 1905 seems like willful stupidity.

    The Russian Social Democratic Labor party which later morphed into the communist party was very left wing. It was founded at the dawn of the 20th century from 1898-1900. It then became a major force in Russian politics in 1905 dominating the major cities and having power in the duma. They took executive power in 1917 and for the first time in history one political party accumulated all power legislative, executive, and judicial while also seizing all industry, commerce, wealth, and influence. There was no major difference between Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. Their conflicts were based around personal power not ideology, conquest, strategy, and tactics. The entire ruling elite and management body of the Soviet government was pro-Trotsky. Perhaps the only difference was that the system under Stalin was much stronger than what Lenin and Trotsky worked with although Stalin was not in full control until years/decades later. Stalin was also more brutish, thuggish, cunning, and gave off a ruthless killer vibe while Trotsky was more sophisticated, cultured, heroic, and charismatic. Trotsky’s agenda basically continued under Stalin who usurped the throne from him though the latter bungled and failed a lot as well. Had Trotsky ruled the Soviet Union as Lenin intended the USSR would still be intact today and likely would have gone much farther at a fraction of the cost as well.

    The conflict between Trotsky and Stalin is identical to the modern fight between Gulen and Erdogan complete with fake plots designed to create legal pretexts to purge the state administration, economic institutions, foreign service, secret police, military leadership, intelligence services, party structures, federal judiciary, etc. Unlike Trotsky Gulen resides in a mountain fortress and mansion in the United States under the protection of the CIA, FBI, state police, local police, and his own private security. He has a state of the art security system and apache helicopter gunships patrol his estate grounds from above searching for intruders. Not long ago a Turkish special ops team in complete high tech ninja regalia attempted to break into Gulen’s estate but were detected. A gun battle ensued but the assassins escaped.

    Trotsky has a lot in common with Putin. Both began their rise to power not in Moscow but Petersburg. Putin is the direct successor of Lenin and Trotsky complete with KGB mega millions which enabled him and his allies to reconquer power. Russia in general struggles with succession. Nobody expected Stalin to succeed Lenin likewise nobody expected Khrushchev to succeed Stalin, and nobody expected Putin to succeed Yelstin. Putin is wise to weaken, declaw, defang, and neuter the system while ensuring his own subordinates, allies, loyalists, and appointees dominate the institutions of power. He also wants to empower the regions and the legislature at the expense of the executive branch and central government ensuring a smooth transition and fresh start for Russia.

    Russia itself was an enlightenment power & the world’s largest capitalist country before the revolution. No such thing as the “west” existed until after WW2 just warring Europeans. The Russian Revolution itself was a continuation of the French Revolution. The Jacobin project was realized in Russia NOT France. There can be no revolution without terror. Soviet Russia under Trotsky was ruled with an iron fist through repression, fear, and massive violence which surpassed any Tsar. It’s called Jew Bolshevism for a reason because Trotsky was the soul of the revolution. Stalin was a dedicated communist but also a betrayer whose personal insecurities and weaknesses fatally crippled the USSR. If communism solved the contradictions of old Russia it introduced new ones like the conflict between Trotsky and Stalin. I’d highly recommend Netflix’s Trotsky series which was imported from Russia.

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  326. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    See, to me, a good Christian is a crucified Christian.

    Wow that is harsh.

    rom the height of a century, we can see that the USSR was a hopelessly Christian country; internationalist and weak. Whereas Hitlerian Germany seems to have shown more signs of life with the millions of Jewish corpses they procured and hid in the ground like diamonds in the rough.

    I do not understand what you wrote here. Jewish corpses?? I am not going there anymore. There have been many debates on this question on Unz. Wally was taken on many and won on this issue. 200000 Jews and Semi Jews fought for the Third Reich. The SS Wafen had Arab, Turkish, Central Asian and Indian divisions.

    Stalin was not an internationalist. Stalin murdered Trotsky with an axe.

    True but Marxist Communism is internationalist , in in a system/regime like that, there would have been some internationalist residues. Stalin disagreed with Trotsky’s spreading revolution and subversion around the world mantra but he believed in his Red Army. After Stalin went, Khrushchev came into power, who had more Trotskyite leanings.

    Yes, helping Russia was suicidal for the nations of the West because Germany was their brotherly people.
    Many neo-Nazis deny Russians the right to defend themselves. They think, Russians should have rolled over and died.

    You totally misunderstood me. For me at least, it is National Socialism vs Communism. It is not Germans vs Russians. It is ideological not ethnic. If history had gone a different way, say Russia would have National Socialism and Germany was a Communist regime and the Russian Hitler would have invaded Communist Germany because he feared that the German Stalin was planning to attack Russia and left Russia no option but to attack first, I would be supporting National Socialist Russia against Soviet Germany!
    I look at Communism as the fake opposition to Capitalism, both are sick and materialist, soul less. Both are extremes. Both loved by jewy, after all Karl Marx was a blood relative of the Rothschilds. All that Cold War, with all those trillions spent on both sides on weapons including nukes, it was justa family feud!!!!!!

  327. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    What an absolute joke. This utter moron comes out and tries to cut apart Poland peacefully, and gets turned down!

    Do you have his peace proposals in the original? How do you know this is what he proposed to Poland? You are just assuming things.

    Can you imagine Pakistan’s trying to resolve the Jammu predicament peacefully – by swallowing it?

    Jammu should be with India, it is Hindu majority but not the Kashmir Valley. We should not have been in the valley in the first place. It can be independent or join Pakistan via plebiscite, none of my business. Of course Buddhist Ladakh should be separated out of Kashmir before this happens which out government did and it was a good decision.

    The swallowing of half of Poland came later. Before that Hitler tried umpteen times to find a peaceful resolution with Poland about ethnic Germans within Poland and some form of link to East Prussia. That is what the book talks about.

    Hitlerism needs no foes with allies such as yourself. Lies and bullshit, and bullshit lies.

    Good for you, you must be sleeping easy since we are a bunch of lying morons. Communists have always prided themselves in their “intellectual superiority” over their enemies. People with such superiority complex feelings dream of bringing us a world of equality. Yeah rite!!!! I can see the problem there.
    And truth be told everything the mainstream controlled media propaganda machine told us about Hitler and the Third Reich can be described in exactly those words, ” Lies and bullshit, and bullshit lies”.

    he Holocaust as the biggest achievement of Germany

    Guess what? When my Grandpa had a cardiac arrest, he was saved in the nick of time because the ambulance service promptly reacted and got him to a hospital. The ambulance was running on a diesel engine, the same diesel engine driving millions of ambulances around the world saving billions of lives. To me the diesel engine, which Germany (Rudolf Diesel) gave the world is far more an achievement than some b.s. holohoax. And I do not know if this is the BIGGEST achievement of Germany but this humble engine is a far bigger achievement than the entire fake holohoax shaoh b.s. So no, your statement is obviously wrong.

  328. Adûnâi says:
    @BAP

    > “Yes, your fellow UN jews…”

    Can you explain why you are calling me a Jew? FFS, in my above comment, I was defending the French monarchy and its Christian torture methods.

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  329. Malla says:
    @the shadow

    Lastly, you say it made little sense for the British not to greenlight the French to go against Germany in 1936 only to later throw away their empire and Europe to the Russians.

    All very true except that it was the ((British Establishment)), not the common British people. In WW2, Americans, British, Russians etc… were all (unknown to them) slaves of the Jews fighting against a truly liberated people, the Germans (& Italians and Japanese).

  330. Adûnâi says:
    @annamaria

    > “Ms. Adûnâi, perhaps you are too temperamental in your discussion of the facts of WWII.
    No need to behave like an unruly teen and insult other readers. This forum is for intelligent adults.”

    Wait, are you calling me a woman now? Why? Because I called Hitler an imbecile that lost the war?

    > “FYI: “In March of 1939, with Germany’s permission, Poland invaded Czechoslovakia…””

    See, you are strawmanning. I never defended Poland on the basis of its peacefulness or whatever. I hate pacifism. I’m defending Poland on the basis of neo-Nazi self-contradictions and lies. The lie is that Germany did not start the war. The contradiction is that Hitler was justified in invading Slavdom – IMHO, he was if he had won, but he didn’t. From a Darwinian perspective, it is obvious that Hitler was a narrow-minded nationalist that bit too much and choked. And here come the neo-Nazis blaming the evil piece of Russia that stuck in his throat!

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  331. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Communism is a child of the enlightenment. Both the United States and Soviet Union in particular are deeply masonic creations.

    Stalin may or may not have crushed Bolshevik social liberalism, but to say Stalin was focused on exporting Communism or conquering Europe doesn’t seem accurate at all. He pioneered “socialism in one country”, dropping the push for “world revolution” that Lenin and Trotsky strongly favored.

    The mood of cross-border proselytization was entirely different in the Lenin/Trotsky years. It was under their influence and example that you had some temporarily successful Communist uprisings in central Europe.

    I would say Bolshevism was a key cause of WW2, but the line of causation clearly goes through Lenin/Trotsky and the Bavarian Soviet Republic, and the fear this generated on the German right. From everything Stalin did, I would say his focus was on, first, consolidating his own power and second, building a USSR that was powerful and self-sufficient enough to resist outside influence. There is very little to suggest he had the megalomaniacal dreams of conquest that Hitler did; the conquests he did make were to increase the buffer between the Russian heartland and possible threats to the West, thus cementing the security of his own rule. When his first set of conquests proved to be insufficient, he extended it even further by creating the Warsaw Pact satellite states.
    None of this is to defend Stalin, but to explain him.

    Plus in the event of a USSR first strike the United States would cease supporting the Soviet Union which was unwise because FDR was the only major world leader who liked communism. If anyone sought conflict it was America who wanted to weaken Europe and use a powerful Russia modernized with the latest industry/technology and armed to the teeth with state of the art weapons as a check against Germany. America against Europe, America against Germany, and America against the British, as well as the American desire to take all their lands, colonies, dominions, and markets was a major driver of WW2 almost as much as Nazi Germany.

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  332. @AnonFromTN

    AnonFromTN, post 219:

    BTW, it helps to know history, but I guess true Westerners want to live in the post-truth world and resist being dragged into the real one

    Karl Nemmersdorf, post 220:
    >Cites historians he bases his claims on

    AnonFromTN, post 224:

    I believe what I’ve heard from people who actually fought Nazis in 1941-45. None of the ones you mentioned belongs to this category

    —————

    As Titania McGrath would say: Game over, neo-Nazi!

  333. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Plus in the event of a USSR first strike the United States would cease supporting the Soviet Union which was unwise because FDR was the only major world leader who liked communism.

    Not so

    James Perloff on WW2

    Soviet Russia was quite a ‘teflon nation’ as far as any helpful reaction from the American Government was concerned. That is why the Germans and the Japanese understood pretty early that they could not count on the Americans to counter the Soviets. The above video discusses this.
    The United States destroyed the two powers which stood in the way of Communism spreading across Eurasia, Third Reich Germany and Imperial Japan. The USA is one of the biggest exporters of Communism around the world. The Rockefellers as well as the State Department supported Mao. The State Department supported Castro coming into power. There is a book on this written by the American ambassador to Cuba at that time, called the ‘Fourth Floor’. In Vietnam, just after WW2,the French were more scared of the American embassy than the Soviets as far as sedition and spreading of Communism in Vietnam was concerned, which which adds to the claim that Stalin was not as internationally driven as his predecessors as well as those who came after him. Indeed the Soviets recognized North Vietnam a few years later than the establishment of the regime.

    But the conquest of Europe has always been a high priority of the Communist world. The industrialized nations of the West not going Communist, left a big black hole in the heart of marxist philosophy. Indeed Cultural Marxism was invented to address this issue. And even though Stalin did not agree with the Trotsyite model of spreading revolution around the world, he believed in spreading communism using the Red Army. The true descendants of the Trotsyites are the American Neo Cons BTW, spreading democracy around the world has replaced, spreading revolutions around the world. Besides, the kind of guarantees that Molotov was asking regarding four nations left him no doubt that the Soviets were Planning an invasion of the rest of Europe.

    Now it is possible that Hitler misjudged the situation and his belief that Stalin had plans to invade the rest of Europe was wrong but in his own conversation with the Finnish leader Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, Adolf Hitler admitted that the Wehrmacht was not built for Eastern Europe but for Western Europe. If Hitler had planned an invasion of Eastern Europe either Poland or most importantly against the much more powerful Soviet Russia for lebensraum or whatever, he would have built up an army for the Eastern front. It seems Hitler had not anticipated a conflict in east at all when he came into power and the Wehrmacht was being rebuilt.

    Fuhrer of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler talking in his everyday voice to Finnish military commander Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim in 1942. Thor Damen, an engineer for the Finnish broadcasting company Yle, recorded the first 11 minutes of Hitler and Mannerheim’s private conversation.

    Adolf Hitler to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim : Our whole armament – you know, was – is a pure good weather armament. It is very capable, very good, but it is unfortunately just a good-weather armament. We have seen this in the war. Our weapons naturally were made for the West, and we all thought, and this was true’till that time, uh, it was the opinion from the earliest times; you cannot wage war in winter.
    And we too, have, the German tanks, they weren’t tested, for example, to prepare them for winter war. Instead we conducted trials to prove it was impossible to wage war in winter.

    …snip….

    Adolf Hitler to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim : This all was inevitable, you see. I had a conversation with Motolov [Soviet Minister] at that time, and it was absolutely certain at that time, and it was absolutely certain that Motolov departed with the decision to begin a war, and I dismissed the decision to have a war, and I dismissed him with the decision to – impossible, to forestall him. There was – this was the only – because the demands that man brought up was clearly aimed to rule Europe in the end. (Practically whispering here.) Then I have him – not publicly… (fades out).
    Already in the fall of 1940 we continuously faced the question, uh: shall we, consider a break up [in relations with the USSR]? At that time, I advised the Finnish government, to negotiate and, to gain time and, to act dilatory in this matter – because I always feared – that Russia suddenly would attack Romania in the late fall – and occupy the petroleum wells, and we would have not been ready in the late fall of 1940. If Russia indeed had taken Romanian petroleum wells, then Germany would have been lost. It would have required – just 60 Russian divisions to handle that matter.

    …snip….

    Adolf Hitler to Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim : till we would be strong enough to, counter those extortive demands [from Moscow] because – those demands were simply naked extortion’s. They were extortion’s. The Russians knew we were tied up in the west. They could really extort everything from us.

    but the line of causation clearly goes through Lenin/Trotsky and the Bavarian Soviet Republic, and the fear this generated on the German right.

    Yes the Bavarian Soviet Republic did cause a lot of fear in the minds of the National Socialists.

  334. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    In reality, they usually lack intelligence and imagination to seek and/or understand it.

    Why do you think it is these kinds of people who end up becoming leaders? Is it a flaw in us human beings or human society structures?
    People who can exercise power well do not seem to reach power.

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  335. BAP says:
    @Adûnâi

    Very few people are willing to damage control crimes like this one. And yes, I know.

  336. BAP says:
    @Malla

    Humans are extremely emotional and stupid, so whoever causes you the right feelings always wins, even if you get very screwed in the end.

    • Agree: Malla
  337. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    The idle rich in Russia also embraced free love, extramarital affairs, bastard children, and homosexuality including the royals.

    Too bad, the early, Bolsheviks spread this crap among the Russian commoners too. Vladimir Lenin advocated sexual freedom, nudist anarchists aboard trams, a nude beach near the cathedral of Christ the Savior… such was Russian life at the beginning of the Soviet state. What could possibly go wrong?
    “Stark naked people wearing armbands reading “Down With Shame!” have recently appeared in Moscow. A group was seen boarding a tram. The tram stopped, the public was outraged,” Mikhail Bulgakov, the famous Russian writer, wrote in his diary in 1924. Just 15 years prior to that, women could not think of going out in a knee-long dress. Well well who does this remind me of? Geroge Soros’s FEMEN!! History repeats itself!!!! or shall we say ((they)) never stop trying.

    And what did the evul Nazis do when they came to power? Promote the family, crush promiscuity of the Wiemar days . Whata difference in between both the revolutions.

    BTW even if a few aristocrats were gay, male homosexuality was a criminal offense under the Tsars until Bolsheviks came onto the scene. Ideologically, sexual liberation was one of the key weapons in fighting Orthodoxy, and the old order in general (Soros’s FEMEN wink wink). Among early Bolsheviks, the key propagandist of a new family order was Alexandra Kollontai, revolutionary and later, a diplomat. There’s a popular theory often attributed to Kollontai – that of the ‘glass of water.’ It states that love (and consequently, sex) should be available to anyone as easily as asking for a glass of water.
    A project for a performance in 1920s. The posters read:“Every communist male can and must satisfy his sexual needs” (right);
    “Every communist female must aid him, otherwise she’s a philistine” (left).

    Kollontai promoted a concept of the ‘new woman’ – one freed from the oppression of marriage, household work and the business of raising children; all these chores must be taken on by society and state. For Kollontai, love was to be freed, too – civil partnership would take the place of traditional marriage.

    Oy Vey, what does this remind us of? The CIA directed hippy movement/ Counter culture movement, Susan Sontag (who admitting being a CIA agent) and welfare moms depending on a state rather than husband.

    “On the abolition of marriage” and “On civil partnership, children and ownership” were among the first decrees of the Soviets in 1918. Church weddings were abolished, civil partnership introduced. Divorce was a matter of choice. Abortions were legalized. All of that implied a total liberation of family and sexual relations. A relaxed attitude to nudism was a a vivid sign of the times: on the bank of the Moskva river, near the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, a nude beach formed, the likes of which Western Europe could not have dreamed of at the time. The aforementioned “Down With Shame!” society had held numerous marches, one numbering as many as 10,000 people. Alexander Trushnovich, a monarchist, recalls one of their gatherings: “‘Down with philistines! Down with deceiving priests! We don’t need clothes – we’re children of the sun and air!’ – a naked spokesman was shouting from a stage in Krasnodar’s main square (Soros’s FEMEN predecessors again!!). Walking past this place in the evening, I saw the stage dismantled… and somebody beat up the ‘child of sun and air’”.

    Amnesties in 1917, 1919, 1920 and beyond freed a great many criminals in a country where state power had only begun to form. The masses of criminals were joined by defecting and discharged soldiers. Rape by 1920s has become an epidemic. Quite strikingly, sexual violence towards former noble and bourgeois women was for a time even considered “class justice” among the proletarian males. New laws on marriage and the overall atmosphere of breaking with the past encouraged promiscuity and casual approach to sex, unthinkable just years ago.

    However all that changed when Stalin came on the scene.
    The USSR was created by a faction of atheistic Jews. When Lenin died, a triumvirate took power (Kamenev, Zinoviev, Stalin), of whom Stalin was the only (possible) non-Jew. These Jewish conspirators wanted to appear incognito, and this helped Stalin gain power. He purged the usurpers and restored Russia to the Russian people – although in the end he was murdered.

    Trotsky is associated with the abolition of the state and the family; Stalin with their reintroduction. Trotskyism, promoted of Gay Marriage. Trotsky advocated abolishing the Family; Stalin advocated its restoration. The Social Realism Movement would work to undo all the damage to family and art done in the early Trotskyite Soviet era.

    Marxists, faced with the imperfection of the Soviet Union, often see it as “not living up to Marxist Principles”. They are thus able to remain believers in Marxism as an ideal, while criticising the USSR in practice. This criticism was often directed at Stalin, the scapegoat for all that went wrong.

    The West are already half-way through a Trotskyist Revolution, which is shattering family life. Stalinism fell, but the West is in the grip of Trotskyists promoting open borders, Gay Marriage, etc. Ironically the West with its combination of leftist Cultural Marxism and fake “rightist” NeoConservatism became the true descendant of Trotskyism. Call it Karma as after all the USA & Kaiser’s Germany funded the Bolshevik Revolution.

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    , @Miro23
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    , @S
  338. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Your condition is worse than I thought.

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  339. @Malla

    Why do you think it is these kinds of people who end up becoming leaders? Is it a flaw in us human beings or human society structures?

    I’d say, there are two factors.

    One, publicly demonstrated “leaders” are no more than figureheads, real power resides in the hands of the elites acting behind the scenes. The dumber and the dirtier the person, the more convenient (i.e., obedient) figurehead s/he is. Biden is a good example: he is corrupt to the core and clearly senile. A perfect figurehead: will do what he is told and won’t have his own ideas. If his senility becomes too obvious and/or a problem to handlers, there will be a VP, just as corrupt (hence easy to blackmail), but not senile, simply dumb.

    Two, the elites are degenerate, often no smarter than the figureheads they put forward. I think this is the result of a natural process. In a capitalist society, you belong to the elite wielding real power due to wealth. In each generation greater and greater fraction of wealthy people inherited their wealth, rather than achieved it themselves. Thus, among elites the fraction of people having at least personal qualities that are necessary to become wealthy is going down, whereas the fraction of morons and nonentities who just inherited money made by their ancestors is going up. Thus, a capitalist society with low inheritance tax needs a catastrophic shakeup once in two-three generations simply to remain viable, to get rid of degenerate elites and give new people with personal achievements a chance. Looks like we are going to get just that within the next 5-20 years.

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  340. @Malla

    Sure, doc, whatever you say.

    Russian joke.
    A counsel of physicians around a patient. One physician asks the others:
    – Do you think we should treat him, or let him live?

  341. @Malla

    My witness testimony:
    In the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s, communist party committees were much stricter than the Catholic Church in the West. Marital infidelity and promiscuity were severely punished, divorce was frowned upon. If the guilty were party members, they could be kicked out of the party for “immoral behavior”, with serious repercussions for their careers. If the guilty were not party members, they were punished in other ways, including ban on travel anywhere abroad, even to “socialist” satellites. Their careers were also in jeopardy. Gay/lesbian sex was a criminal offence, punishable by jail time. The borders were closed and guarded.

    So, what some people call “cultural Marxism” is in fact Trotskyism. It is the exact opposite of Soviet practices.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Malla
  342. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Yes I agree with you.

    The dumber and the dirtier the person, the more convenient (i.e., obedient) figurehead s/he is.

    Also more dirtier the person more ‘dirt’ there is to blackmail him/her and make sure the figurehead does not revolt against the elites.

  343. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    If you have the chance check out a recent Russian film The legend of Kolovrat (2017) or Furious in English about a hero who fought the Mongol hordes.

    Thanks I will have a look.

    Regarding internationalism ……mass miscegenation or immigration.

    Agree.

    Regarding internationalism of the former communist governments, I would say that it consisted mainly of supporting Third World countries in their struggle against colonialism and imperialism

    And they were in bed with Wall Street money in these noble endeavours. The Wall Street guys did not like all those European / Japanese Empires. But they hated the Third Reich the most.

  344. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    The lie is that Germany did not start the war.

    It is no lie. Germany did not start the war. Whore governments of the International bankers did. Which means all countries which considered themselves Capitalist democracies or Communists.

    Hitler was justified in invading Slavdom

    Hitler would not have to invade Slavdom if Poland would have been more sensible and not danced to the guarantees of the British and French Governments who themselves were probably egged on that slimeball FDR. And if Stalin would have decided to leave the rest of Europe alone.
    I mean Slavdom was invading Slavdom when Soviet Russia invaded Poland. I don’t blame the average Russian for that, and I think the average Pole today should not either.

  345. The Jews do not use the radical movement as part of a “plot” to
    control the world.
    It is the radical socialist-communist amalgam that plots to use the
    Jews, and everybody else, plus every conceivable institution, in its
    march to secure control over all of society.

    https://ia801909.us.archive.org/8/items/TheGreatDeceitSocialPseudo-sciencesSocialistWolvesInSheepsClothing/VERITASDobbsRoosevelt-The_Great_Deceit-Social_Pseudo_Sciences_1964.pdf

  346. Miro23 says:
    @Malla

    Ironically the West with its combination of leftist Cultural Marxism and fake “rightist” NeoConservatism became the true descendant of Trotskyism. Call it Karma as after all the USA & Kaiser’s Germany funded the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Excellent and well informed commentary. It’s a true picture of the arrogant snake Trotsky – still the hero of the Jewish counter-cultural left (JCCL).

    Ex British Prime Minister Tony Blair (the person who tricked the UK into the Iraq war) was a JCCL favourite who found out early that glorifying Trotsky was a politically advantageous move.

    From the Guardian:

    Tony Blair has said that he “toyed with Marxism” as a young man after being inspired by a biography of Leon Trotsky that detailed “extraordinary causes and injustices”.

    The former prime minister, who rebranded his party “New Labour” in the belief it would be most electable as a centre-ground party, said yes when asked in a BBC interview if he was “briefly a Trot”.

    The politician – who faced repeated rebellion from leftwing Labour MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn, who believed Blairism had dragged the party to the right – said the first volume of Isaac Deutscher’s trilogy “opened a different world” for him and changed his life.

    “Here’s this guy Trotsky who was so inspired by all of this that he went out to create a Russian revolution and changed the world. I think it’s a very odd thing – just literally it was like a light going on,” Blair told Reflections with Peter Hennessy on Radio 4.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/10/blair-reveals-he-toyed-with-marxism-after-reading-book-on-trotsky

    As far a Stalin was concerned, he kept a meticulous record of the activities of the leading Bolsheviks from the earliest days. Lenin’s heirs laughed about their Donkey Bureaucrat (Stalin) with Trotsky holidaying in the Crimea while Stalin tapped their telephones and built loyalties to himself after the death of Lenin.

    The useful book by Oleg Khlevniuk (“Master of the House. Stalin and his Inner Circle”) shows that this operation only grew over time, until, under his eventual dictatorship, no major decision was taken without his agreement, usually working through his chairmanship of the Bureau of the Council of People’s Commissars.

    Khlevniuk shows that the suggested splits in the Party in the 1930’s and theories about independent power groups were not at all supported by the evidence. All Russians from the Politburo downwards lived in fear of Stalin as a matter of life and death, and the most that one could say was that the heads of different ministries would compete with each other for resources (ie. to produce some results).

    • Agree: Malla
  347. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    @ Malla

    There is nothing wrong with destroying the state, destroying the monarchy, destroying nationalism, destroying the church, and destroying the family. Those are not just Marxist ideas or particularly unique to Trotsky. Those are the ideals of the enlightenment which left globalists like Lenin/Trotsky openly embraced. They’re also the basis of modernity which has delivered a great standard of living and quality of life. It’s not the year 1400 anymore and rightists need to live in the present.

    Nobody wants to live in squalor, poverty, ignorance, and superstition anymore either. People also dislike bourgeois society which is characterized by crime, disorder, danger, and weakness. Marxism-Leninism was the correct path for Russia and the world.

    Neocons are just repackaged imperialists as well. The reason there is a massive backlash going on now is because people want a center-left ideology, party, state, and empire. Soviet/Russian society delivered that for nearly a century and Russia/China continue to deliver that now.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Malla
  348. @Anonymous

    Marxism-Leninism was the correct path for Russia and the world.

    First, Marxism (if by that you mean what Marx wrote) is very different from Leninism. Second, what Marx wrote in the first 10-15 years of his career is very different from what he wrote later.

    According to his early writings, capitalism will disappear when it no longer fits the production. Capitalism (even the ideal free-market variety with level-field competition, which is as realistic as an ideal gas in Physics, and never existed, like that ideal gas) is suitable for things that lose value when consumed, like food, clothes, machinery, etc. Science and art produce things that do not lose value when consumed, so their products are inherently unsuitable for the capitalist system. Novel does not lose value when you read it, music does not lose value when you listen to it, scientific discoveries do not lose value when you learn their essence. That’s why capitalist society developed crutches, like copyright, to make these products fit. According to Marx’ early writings, only when the products unfit for capitalist distribution become prevalent, it would change to another system. Humans are moving in this direction, but we are far from that point yet.

    So, an attempt to build “socialism” before that point was doomed: you cannot build a society on principles that do not fit the bulk of its production. That’s exactly why so called “socialism” in the USSR was in effect state capitalism.

    Let me lighten the mood by a Soviet-era students’ joke.
    – What is philosophy?
    – It’s trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room.
    – What is Marxist philosophy?
    – It’s trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room, knowing that it’s not there.
    – What is Marxist-Leninist philosophy?
    – It’s trying to catch an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room, knowing that it’s not there, and from time to time exclaiming “Gotcha!”

    • Thanks: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  349. Malla says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Thanks for your testimony. Of course that is why my post was about the early days of the Soviet state.
    That is why the fall of the USSR in 1990s was actually a tragedy.

  350. Hibernian says:
    @AnonFromTN

    which is as realistic as an ideal gas in Physics

    The nature of gases is such that ideal gas theory is a pretty good approximation. With liquids and solids you get all kinds of complications.

    Free market economic economics is the worst kind of economics, except for all of the others. It’s not all that realistic, but it’s a lot more realistic than Marxism.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  351. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    There is no need to destroy the state, destroy the monarchy, destroy nationalism, destroy the church, and destroy the family to have a great standard of living and quality of life. That is the impression they give us, the need to destroy traditions for a better future. Yes there is a need to destroy some of the negative elements of traditional society, you are right but not all of it, no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
    Look at the USA, in the last few decades we have seen more destruction of religion & destruction of family and the real standard of living is going down from the days of the 1950s. Both the working & middle Class are collapsing, there is more misery and the drug problem is more rampant. Culturally the United States has definitely gone left since the 1950s but now more wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few than it was during the 1950s.
    Compare that to Third Reich Germany, where the new NSDAP Government supported the family, supported nationalism, supported traditionalism and crushed the socially destructive forces of the Wiemar Republic and yet the standard of living and quality of life of the German working classes (& even the middle classes up to some extent) improved by miles since the misery of the Wiemar days.

    • Agree: Miro23
  352. @Hibernian

    Free market economics is a myth. It might work as a theoretical construct, like ideal gas, but it does not exist in real life. Competition inevitably leads to monopolization, which destroys competition. I’ve seen it many times with my own eyes in scientific products. As soon as a small start-up comes up with any superior product, it is bought up by one of the big companies. Superior product gets discontinued, while inferior product of that big company remains and becomes more expensive.

    • Agree: Malla, Miro23
  353. Avery says:
    @ploni almoni

    If you want to play ‘Abbott & Costello “Who’s On First” “INVADED” ‘ game, we can: as long as you want, and as long as UNZ moderators allow it.

    Nazi Germany re-militarization of the Rhineland was on 7 March 1936, looooong before France declared war on Nazi Germany – for INVADING Poland, Frances ally by treaty. German military forces entering the Rhineland was in direct contravention of the Treaty of Versailles and the Locarno Treaties.

    Before INVADING Poland, Nazi Germany INVADED Czechoslovakia in October 1938, and grabbed the Sudetenland. France and England (reluctantly) agreed with the Nazi land grab.
    …….
    Would you like to go back to WW1 and start from there or would you like to go back to – ohhhh, I don’t know – to when Roman empire was battling fierce Germanic tribes……

    • Agree: Adûnâi, AnonFromTN
  354. Avery says:
    @Avery

    Troll: L.K

    You are still the same low-grade, low-intellect troglodyte Brownshirt Schweinhund who started spewing your Hitlerite nonsense to me years ago. I logically and intellectually crushed you so thoroughly that you had nowhere else to go but start with insults in frustrated desperation.

    (anyone who is interested can go back since about the start of UNZ.com and see for themselves that the Hitler apologist started the chain of insults. to which I amply responded, and have since)

    Ron should have awarded you a red swastika instead of a gold star for your service to der Führer.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    • Troll: John Regan
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @L.K
  355. Adûnâi says:
    @Malla

    > “male homosexuality was a criminal offense under the Tsars until Bolsheviks came onto the scene”

    A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that 30 percent of those polled felt that homosexuals should be liquidated.[35] In a 1991 public opinion poll conducted in Chelyabinsk, 30 percent of the respondents aged 16 to 30 years old felt that homosexuals should be “isolated from society”, 5 percent felt they should be “liquidated”, 60 percent had a “negative” attitude toward gay people and 5 percent labeled their sexual orientation “unfortunate”.[48]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia

    > “Marxists, faced with the imperfection of the Soviet Union, often see it as “not living up to Marxist Principles”. They are thus able to remain believers in Marxism as an ideal, while criticising the USSR in practice. This criticism was often directed at Stalin, the scapegoat for all that went wrong.”

    Alright, that is correct.

    • Replies: @Malla
  356. @Avery

    Agree with one correction: the swastika should have been black on white, as approved by parteigenosse Hitler, not red.

  357. Kali says:
    @AnonFromTN

    As far as “blocking units” go, I believe what I’ve heard

    Then:

    hearsay is not admissible

    Could this be why I find your other comments in this thread so confusing?

    You talk of hearts and minds, but forget the terror. You dismiss historians cited by the author, whilst presenting “what you’ve heard” as something other than hearsay.

    And unless you heard from men who fought the Germans within the USSR (who later defected to TN?) what they say about conditions there should count for nothing at all really.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  358. @Kali

    Here is the clarification. Yes, when I repeat something I’ve heard, it is hearsay, legally speaking. When someone repeats something that “historians” say based on what they have heard (not necessarily from the actual witnesses), it is hearsay squared or cubed. Take your pick.

    I’ve talked to the people who fought Germans in 1941-45 in the USSR. None of them defected anywhere, I talked to them in the USSR. I moved to the US (eventually to TN) myself in 1991 to continue working in my research field. Even though the US Congress is doing its level best to destroy American science, it is still better than in most places, including present-day Russia.

    Did I clarify things for you?

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Karl Nemmersdorf
  359. L.K says:
    @Avery

    Avery

    Ron should have awarded you a red swastika instead of a gold star for your service to der Führer.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    Dear daisy, you are clearly pretending not to know where you are, since Ron Unz’s position re WW2 is actually quite similar to my own & Unz is hands down the best writer around here. Why don’t you try your pathetic Nazi routine on him, daisy? We know why.

    ARTICLES by Ron Unz re WW2, the first 2 must’ve given sad little liar, avery, nightmares:

    American Pravda: When Stalin Almost Conquered Europe
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    American Pravda: Understanding World War II
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    American Pravda: Secrets of Military Intelligence
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/

    American Pravda: Post-War France and Post-War Germany
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    So you “logically and intellectually crushed” me, did you? LOL
    Joker, you never even touched me! Your idiotic comments are nothing but fact-free TROLLING.
    I notice you are still pushing the notion that people from Turkey are “nomadic Uighur savages” from China, year 2020, even after plenty of people showed you the genetic evidence proving you a LIAR. You would not know logic/intellectual honesty if you bumped your lying face into it.
    Phil Giraldi described you best: “sh*thead”! LOL

  360. S says:
    @Malla

    New [USSR] laws on marriage and the overall atmosphere of breaking with the past encouraged promiscuity and casual approach to sex, unthinkable just years ago.

    Am reminded here of George de Mohrenschildt reminiscences of Marina Oswald and the purported ‘Soviet type orgies’ she described having taken part in before having met Oswald.

    But she [Marina Oswald] would remember some handsome fellows she had met and shared [her] bed with, of real Soviet type orgies. She confided in Jeanne. Those parties were organized in Minsk by richer sons of the bureaucrats who disposed of comfortable apartments while their parents were gone. The kids drank and slept indiscriminately. “This was terrific,” she [Marina] reminisced.

    http://22november1963.org.uk/george-de-mohrenschildt-i-am-a-patsy-chapter07

    • Thanks: Malla
  361. @AnonFromTN

    “When someone repeats something that “historians” say based on what they have heard (not necessarily from the actual witnesses), it is hearsay squared or cubed.”

    We’re not in the days of Herodotus anymore, when historians traveled around and recorded what their informers told them, with little verification. Historians now (and have for a long time) actually do research in official government archives, and quote actual documents that have all sorts of official information, such as, but not limited to, the orders that led to the establishment of such blocking units, their unit names, their commanders, their objectives and scope, and their actions. When a historian puts this in his book, it is subject to the investigations of other historians, who can verify or disprove what the first historian wrote. This is how modern historiography works. A sloppy historian will quickly become exposed and discredited.

    The fact that you “heard” from several participants in the Russo-German war and that they disavowed knowledge of such blocking units, has practically zero weight compared to what the professional historians have concluded on the matter.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @the shadow
  362. @Karl Nemmersdorf

    There are lots of historians that publish contradictory accounts of pretty much every event. So, one has to select what appears more plausible. That’s exactly what I do. Every “historian”, just like every “political scientist”, only cites what agrees with his/her preconceived ideas, and ignores everything that contradicts them. Objective historian is a contradiction in terms. As the joke puts it, if you have two witnesses, you get three versions of what happened.

    professional historians

    We all know what the most ancient profession in human societies was. Self-appointed historians (of all persuasions) are no farther from it than presstitutes.

  363. @Karl Nemmersdorf

    The problem with relying on the tools historian use for writing and documenting history is not a very sound basis for assessing the credibility of issues like whether a military used terror to compel its soldiers to fight against their will such as by using so called blocking units. For one thing, its unlikely such orders would ever be written down so actual participants in combat would most likely be the only real source of such information.

    The real reason for doubting that any military organization relied on, and effectively used terror to instill compliance on a large scale is that it wouldn’t and didn’t work, neither in the Red nor the German army during the opposite periods in the war when each side tried on a limited scale to do so.

    The reason such efforrts would not work on a significant scale is that were the soldiers ordered to attack or defend and did so only because of the fear of blocking units shooting them from behind were they to refuse, their easiest recourse for avoiding that fate was surrendering to the enemy and avoid entiely the blocking units behind them that were allegedly forcing them to fight.

    That even if they had tried it, that it didn’t work for the Soviets in 1941 and 1942 is evidenced by the millions of the Red Army who then surrendered to the Germans. The Germans ran into the same problem in late 44 and 45 when Germans oftent surrendered by the thousands, especially on the Western front. The Germans were more likely to fight to the end on the Eastern front not because being terrorized by the threat of being hanged as also happened, but because they feared reprisal from the Soviets.

    By the same token, relatively few German soldiers surrendered while the war was going favorbale for them, just as relatively few Russian soldiers surendered once the war was going in their favor after 1942. Thus it was really the military conditions the armies faced that was most telling about whether the combatants were prepared to fight or not, rather than their side obtaining compliance by terror blocking units generated.

    The situation in which executing or simply shooting soldiers on the spot for failing to or for unwillingness to fight can work is stopping sudden panic or temporary demoralization that may be induced by significant but apparently temporary setbacks that could be turned around by renewing the determination of the soldiers to fight by ferreting out defeatists from the ranks. Thus when Zhukhov acknowledged that 13,000 had been executed by the Soviets during the battle of Stalingrad, that was a paltry number compared to the hundreds of thousands who did their duty and were killed in action. There is simply no way that “blocking units” would have generated that kind of determination no matter how many were lurking in the rear to mete out summary punishment to alleged shirkers.

    The claim that this is how the other side got their soldiers to fight is almost always made by their actual opponents or by their ideological opposition who cannot imagine why their opponents could be so determined to fight them when they know that God is on their own side that convinces them they are in the right and their opponents must obviously be in the wrong and could not therefore be as determined as they are to fight them.

    • Replies: @Karl Nemmersdorf
  364. @the shadow

    The problem with relying on the tools historian use for writing and documenting history is not a very sound basis for assessing the credibility of issues like whether a military used terror to compel its soldiers to fight against their will such as by using so called blocking units. For one thing, its unlikely such orders would ever be written down so actual participants in combat would most likely be the only real source of such information.

    You are arguing from ignorance. Actually, relying on the work of good historians and archival evidence is usually the very best way to assess such historical questions. The documents describing blocking units exist and are cited in a number of books. One good example is “SMERSH: Stalin’s Secret Weapon” by Vadim Birstein, who cites actual documents as well as first-hand testimony of Russian soldiers, pp. 133-35.

    The real reason for doubting that any military organization relied on, and effectively used terror to instill compliance on a large scale is that it wouldn’t and didn’t work …

    Governments very frequently implement strategies that don’t work. The real reason you doubt it is that you are ignorant of this patch of history, and of modern historiography in general. There’s no shame in that, but there is in attempting to give lectures to those who are not.

    • Replies: @the shadow
  365. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    The Shadow is right. Plus the world of education, schools, colleges, universities, and academia is tightly controlled by the powers that be. Like medieval rulers who once endowed these institutions our current rulers own them today as well. Private schools are still good but they’re not perfect.

    People go on endlessly about politics when the state and the institutions of the state be they political, economic, diplomatic, intelligence, and military remain the same across time.

    Many modern researchers, historians, academics, and writers aren’t educated as lawyers and therefore struggle to separate fact from fiction. They fail to weigh the scales of justice evenly. They routinely engage in myth making as well. They also exaggerate beyond belief going into every possible detail when in reality nothing has changed much in human history. People are the same today as they were ten thousand years ago being driven by the same goals, motives, ambitions, and desires. The role of money, power, status, and sex is never discussed just a series of dates, figures, facts, and tragedies.

  366. @Karl Nemmersdorf

    Your rebuttal that relying on the good work of historians and archival material is the best way of assessing such historical questioins (presumably referring to my point about ising terror to compel soldiers to fight) reveals you are thoroughly intellectually challenged about these matters. Nor do you have the slightest idea about what I know about these matters, having thoroughly delved into especially the subject of the Russian front.

    Col. General Balck is one of the best examples of someone who explains in his book “Order in Chaos” what it takes to get soldiers to fight and what doesn’t work. You are obviously clueless about the issue if you imagine that blocking units were what kept the Red Army fighting when they would obviously have been most needed in 1941 and early 42 when millions of Russians surrendered. Where were these blocking units then and how effective could they have been given those mass surrenders.

    Clear thinking should tell you that soldiers who lack the will to fight can never be compelled to do so by terrorizing them with force because first, the soldiers themselves are armed and could destroy the puny blocking forces and two, they could simply choose to surrender. It’s the simple unwillingness of soldiers to continue fighting plus political agitation by the Bolsheviks that brought about the collapse of the Russian army in WWI. The scene in Dr. Zhivago where the troops leaving the front shoot officers of fresh recruits headed to the front perfectly illustrates this phenomenon that does not, however account for it.

    Yes, tell me about all the good historians and their works. The fact is that the most revered and cited are court historians who are nothing more than propagandists for the history the ruling elite want told that enable them to gain and maintain their grip on power. It is these court historians who selectively use records and document that support their predetermined points of view of how history is to be told and what is to be buried.

    Indeed, the only real sources for those “blocking unit” stories are Germans who failed to comprehend how the Red Army could be offering the such determined resistance after they had inflicted massive losses on them, and anti-Soviet Russians who relied on it to account for why their fellow Russians were fighting so hard for a system they detested. I can certainly understand why he Germans felt that way. What accounts for Russians who do the same? Their refugee from Communism status accounts for most of it.

    The fact is that during the Vietnam war the Viet Cong determination to fight the invaders was explained as drug induced fanaticism. Explain how well that worked to promote the drug induced soldiers in Vietnam to fight hard against the Viet Cong. They however certainty turned to fragging their officers.

    Oh, and by the way, do you realize that Herbert Hoover, in the guise of engaging in relief work after WWI went around securing the documents of the foreign offices of the major warring powers and relocated them to his institute where they have remained under lock and key for over a century, available if at all only to a select few. How is that for an effective way to bury the truth.

    If you doubt it, look it up in “Hidden History” by Dockerty and Macgregor who do document that the court historian account of Germany starting the war is complete hokum. And then read all about it in the books by court historians who used reams of document crammed into the Warren Report to insist it was Oswald with an unaligned scope who fired a magic bullet that went through two bodies, struck 2 ribs and a wrist bone and landed on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital in practically pristine condition.

    I knew it was nonsense the moment they said it. But I bet you still believe it because it is historians using those methods that tell you so.

    • Replies: @Karl Nemmersdorf
  367. Malla says:
    @Adûnâi

    A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that…people and 5 percent labeled their sexual orientation “unfortunate”.[48]

    I wrote about the early Soviet State. All that promiscuity, homosexuality was repressed later as time went on in the Soviet State.

  368. @the shadow

    You are obviously clueless about the issue if you imagine that blocking units were what kept the Red Army fighting when they would obviously have been most needed in 1941 and early 42 when millions of Russians surrendered. Where were these blocking units then and how effective could they have been given those mass surrenders.

    I didn’t say blocking units “kept the Red Army fighting.” I simply said they existed. Vadim Birstein quotes a report from Milshtein to Beria (you know who they are, of course!) to the effect that blocking units and NKVD units behind the lines detained 657,000 Russian soldiers in the three months after war started, amid all the chaos and men cut off from units. 632,000 of them were sent back to the front and 3321 of them were shot. Apparently they were very effective. But you wouldn’t know that, would you?

    Unfortunately, true, no historian is perfect and many essentially work for the establishment. A man who is well-read in history can distinguish the good from the bad, of course. You point out a researcher you evidently believe. Why do you believe that one? How do you make the judgment? Your case is not helped much when you cite movies as evidence, by the way.

    • Agree: Mike P, L.K
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  369. As to your last point first, it obviously escaped you that I cited that example merely to illustrate the futility of using force in such situations as the movie depicted which was all too real rather than as evidence of the point at issue. That was when the czarist armies disintegrated starting in 1917 when no amount of force would keep them fighting.

    AS to your second point that you didn’t really say blocking kept the red army fighting but were merely saying they existed, citing Beria and Milshtein (obviously Jews) as sources, it reveals your striving to make yourself into a moving target to avoid being hit by the barrage aimed at your last position.

    The point isn’t whether they existed as you now claim, but their purpose. When this issue was first raised, their clear purpose was setting up commissars behind the lines to terrorize soldiers to keep fighting or they would be shot by those blockers. My initial comments addressed the point by explaining why terror would not and could not work to compel masses of soldiers to keep fighting.

    So now you actually acknowledge that the purpose of those “blocking forces” “detained 657,000 soldiers in the three months after war started, amid all the chaos and men cut off from units. 632,000 of them were sent back to the front and 3321 of them were shot.”

    Although I am sure you missed the irony in your remarks, they fully proved my point. Let’s see, the 3321 who were shot makes up .00002 percent (that’s right, four zeroes before the decimal sign) of all who retreated rather than stand up to the Germans. When only such a miniscule proportion of all those who had engaged in a headless retreat were actually shot, it is clear that the terror of being shot by the blocking forces is not what got them back into line because they could and would easily have crushed them had they been determined to stop fighting.

    Your admission exposes that the real purpose of these so called “blocking forces” was not to terrorize the soldiers to stay in the line and compel them to fight but to act as collection points for soldiers streaming back from units that had been disintegrated by the German attacks and merely needed to be reorganized and replenished to be able to resume the fight.

    Indeed, if you actually knew anything at all about fighting on the Eastern front, you would know that Guderian’s pig headedness in rushing headlong forward as far and fast as he could and ignoring his flanks rather than conducting a closer encirclement of bypassed Russian forces that became impossible when his armored forces raced too far ahead of the following infantry created encirclements that the Russian forces could easily break through that actually aided the Russian in saving those forces. Moreover, not only did it help the Russians save those forces, the loose encirclements actually ensured that only those most determined to keep fighting and had become experienced to do it more effectively were the ones who were most likely to escape, and that it was the faint hearted who were left behind. Thus the loose encirclements unintentionally acted as a sieve that sorted out the strong from the weak and worked to strengthen the fighting spirit of the Red Army.

    But your remarks make clear you sure wouldn’t know a damn thing about any of this.

    As to how ones makes the judgment about which historians or accounts to believe, check out Col. Boyd’s OODA loop and it will explain it to you.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Mike P
  370. L.K says:
    @the shadow

    For the record: The reality of the use of blocking/barrier units and other terror measures in the Red Army is well documented by various Soviet directives and orders as well as by testimony.

    Beyond the numerous Soviet directives and orders in this connection there are also specific reports detailing specific incidents.
    For example, a “special communication” report from the Special Department of the NKVD of the 264th infantry division to the Chief of the Special Department of the NKVD of the 26th Army, reported on the first battle of the 1060th infantry regiment in 1941. When the soldiers of the 4th company, 2nd Battalion failed in the attack, heavy MGs opened up on them from behind, killing ‘at least 60′. The commander and the political leader also shot all who tried to surrender.

    The Stalinist regime was so ruthless that Soviet airstrikes targeted, on purpose, overcrowded Soviet POW camps, such as Orel and Novgorod-Severkij. In the Soviet military, surrender was not allowed. Officers, if they surrendered, would be executed if taken back (or later repatriated) and their families arrested.
    Conscripts faced same fate but families ‘only’ lost state support. Many soviet soldiers who were captured, from lowly privates to Generals, expressed their great fear of the NKVD. It also terribly affected the performance of Soviet forces. Major General Kirpichnikov stated that because of the commissars they were totally stifled in their tactical creativeness and operational thinking.
    Despite all this terror, millions of Soviet soldiers surrendered or deserted.
    This does not fit very well with a view of mass patriotism. Initially, Soviet propaganda aimed at fighting for Stalin and Communism, as it was ineffective, this was later changed to defense of the motherland which proved much more efficient. Still, terror measures remained an important component in keeping the Red Army fighting.

    Soviet data shows that during the war, more than 2.5 million Red Army personnel were sentenced and 217.000 soldiers were shot.
    SMERSH: Stalin’s Secret Weapon

    “During the war, military tribunals sentenced more than 2.5 million Soviet military men and women. … and a total of 217,000 were shot; of those, 135,000 were sentenced by military tribunals of the Red Army. Death sentences were usually executed by an OO (later SMERSH) officer or a Red Army platoon attached to the OO/SMERSH Department, before the eyes of the formation.
    The enormity of these executions becomes evident from a comparison with death sentences in foreign armies.”

    As Marshal Georgi Zhukov noted:

    “In the Red Army, it takes a very brave man to be a coward.”

    • Thanks: Mike P, John Regan
    • Replies: @the shadow
  371. Dressing in leather as did the NKVD, the SS, is a sign of “Maennerbund” reversion, that is, a throwback to Werewolf associations (cave man initiations), like the Hell’s Angels and other Motorbike gangs, and many others.

  372. @L.K

    Wow. Now that’s very impressive. In bold face no less. For the record the terror methods are well document by various directives and testimony.

    NEWSFLASH: THE HOLOCAUST IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN RECORDS PRODUCED AT THE NURENBERG TRIAL OF MAJOR AR CRIMINALS BY RECORDS INTRODUCED THAT GERMANS USED GAS CHAMBERS, ELECTROCUTED RUSSIAN BY PUTTING THE OPN FLOORS COVERED WITH WATER AND ELECTECUTING THEM AS WELL AS GAS FUELED BY DIESEL ENGINES AND BEST OF ALL, IN HUTS BY USING THE ENGINES OF T-34 TANKS.

    You of course, believe all this, especially when the sources are the Soviets.

    Okay, all governments lie. It’s not the source but the content of the lie that discredits it as all those documents proving the ridiculous

    I am, however, impressed your citing “special communications” reports “from the Special Department of the NKVD of the 264th infantry division to the Chief of the Special Department of the NKVD of the 26th Army, reported on the first battle of the 1060th infantry regiment in 1941. When the soldiers of the 4th company, 2nd Battalion failed in the attack, heavy MGs opened up on them from behind, killing ‘at least 60′. The commander and the political leader also shot all who tried to surrender.

    What an incredibly detailed report. Who could doubt any of it? At least not until you notice that the citation is at one and the same time too detailed and vastly too vague to count that is the sure sign of deception. Given that it is as detailed and specific as you make it, it has to come from a particular document or record originally written by the persons identified that has to be sourced to a specific file or book.

    So, did you personally read the original document? If you did, do you speak Russian? Where is the document filed? Who wrote it? What is its date? To whom was it sent? And if you didn’t personally review the document, in what book or documented contained the information, and what is the identifying citation?

    You see, if the document contained information as detailed as you identify it, all that other authenticating information should be readily available to you that you could have shared with everyone to give your detailed claim real credibility. The fact it’s all missing relegates your claim to the scrap pile until you furnish it.

    I am not holding my breath waiting for it because your identifying the source as a “‘special communications’” report again says both too much and too little by using entirely redundant words. Thus, the information contained in it would be identified in a real message either as a “special communication” or as a report, but never by combining the redundant identifiers since doing so makes the sender look stupid.

    That you are, however, completely unfamiliar with Soviet practice is made clear by your referring to the “political leader” joining the commander to kill all who wanted to surrender. The title in the Red Army of such political leaders was “commissars” or political commissars. But if you really know what your were talking about, you would have known that.

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  373. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Communism is a child of the enlightenment. Both the United States and Soviet Union in particular are deeply masonic creations.

    In one way of looking at it, it is true. The “Russian” Revolution was a long continuation of many revolutions such as the “French” revolution, “English” Revolution (Cromwell), “Mexican” Revolution etc… But to understand the Bolshevik revolution, we may have to go all the way back to Ancient Egypt, the trick is using the goyim commoners to revolt against their own elites, so that Jews can replace the old goyim elite and become lords of the lowly goyim masses who they had used for the “revolution” anyways.This is the best explanation of the Bolshevik Revolution

    From http://www.racerealist.com/eckart_1.htm
    Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin: A Dialogue Between Adolf Hitler and Me

    “And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother and every one against his neighbor; city against city and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fall in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards (Isaiah 19:2-3).

    …snip…

    “And in 1871, in Paris, the Jewish defense also ran according to plan. There the communists destroyed whatever they could, but the many places and houses of the Rothschilds remained completely intact. [4] All this enables us to understand the place in Exodus according to which ‘a mixed multitude’ also left Egypt with the Jews.”

    “In Egypt the scoundrels’ scheme succeed only about halfway,” he finished. “The Egyptians became masters of the situation at the last moment and sent the ‘mixed multitude’ to the devil, together with the Jews. There must have been a desperate struggle. The slaughter of the firstborn reveals that clearly enough. Just as they have done with us, the Jews had won the great lower stratum of the population for themselves — ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!’ — until one night they sent out the order, ‘Down with the bourgeois! Kill them, the dogs!’ but things didn’t turn out so well as they had expected. That portion of the Egyptian nation that had remained patriotic turned the tables and booted Moses, Cohn, and Levi out of the country, followed by the inhabitants whom they had incited. During this exodus they carried along as much stolen booty as they could manage, the Bible reports with satisfaction. It also reports, in no uncertain terms, that the Egyptians were glad to be rid of them (Exodus 12:35-36; Psalms 105:38). The best, though, was the reward the Jews gave their stupid accomplices. Suddenly they began calling them ‘rabble,’ [5] whereas formerly they had called them ‘comrade’ and pretended to love them. Imagine the faces these deluded ones must have made in the desert when they heard this.”

    “The murder of seventy-five thousand Persians, in the Book of Esther, no doubt had the same Bolshevist background,” I answered. “The Jews certainly didn’t accomplish that all by themselves.”

    “No more,” he confirmed, “than the dreadful bloodbath over half the Roman Empire, which took place during the reign of Emperor Trajan. Hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish nobles in Babylonia, in Cyrenaica, in Egypt, and on Cyprus butchered like cattle, most of them after the most abominable torture! [6] And today the Jews still rejoice over that. ‘

    …snip…

    “By now, the Egyptians had forgotten dear Joseph, who was dead and gone but there was no lack of others on whom to blame the state of affairs, namely the landowners, the industrialists, the bourgeois. According to the Jews, no one else was responsible. ‘Proletarians of all countries, unite!’ And the masses believed it and turned on their own flesh and blood for the sake of the ‘chosen people,’ who had brought on all their distress in the first place. But to us they touchingly read aloud in school the beautiful story of Joseph and his brothers. No doubt many teachers ‘wept a good while.’ It’s enough to drive one to despair.”

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  374. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Further from http://www.racerealist.com/eckart_2.htm

    Moses Mendelssohn passed for a downright wonder of wisdom. Yet, lo and behold, he found it actually shocking that the Jews still didn’t have the dominion over the earth which was due them!” [57]

    [MORE]

    “From long years of experience,” I brought out, “Dostoevski depicted the hair-raising conceit of the Russian Jew. [58] For a long time he lived with all kinds of convicts, including several Jews, sleeping on the same wooden bunks with them. Everyone treated these Jews in a friendly manner, he reported, not even taking offense at their raving-mad manner of praying. Probably their own religion had once been like that, thought the Russians to themselves, and they quietly let the Jews do as they pleased. But, on the other hand, the Jews haughtily rejected the Russians, didn’t want to eat with them, and looked down on them. And where was this? In a Siberian prison! All over Russia Dostoevski found this antipathy and loathing of the Jews for the natives. Nowhere, however, did the Russian people resent their behavior, indulgently believing it to be a part of the Jewish religion.”

    “Yes, indeed, and what a religion!” he said scornfully. “It is the character of a people which determines the nature of their religion, not the other way around.”

    “Dostoevski,” I continued, “was compassion itself but, like Christ, he took exception to the Jews. With foreboding, he asked what would happen in Russia if ever the Jews should get the upper hand there. Would they even approximately give the natives the same rights they themselves enjoyed? Would they likewise allow them to pray in the manner they wished or would they not simply make slaves of them? Still worse, ‘wouldn’t they skin and fleece them?’ Wouldn’t they even exterminate them, as they had so often done with other peoples in their history?”

    “Ah, could our workers but share his forebodings, particularly those who hope for salvation from the Soviets!” he cried. “Famine, mass graves, slavery, Jewish whips. Whoever goes on strike is hanged. ‘Come hither, all ye who are weary and heavy laden.’ How they whistle, the dogs! And how fine that sounds, in front of the curtain! Behind it, however, lurk the pampered ‘Pöbelvolk’ the Red Army, the dregs of non-Jewish humanity.”

    “The toll of Russians sacrificed since the beginning of Bolshevik domination is estimated by the authorities at about thirty million,” I answered. “Those who weren’t summarily executed fell to famine and disease. Were they all bourgeois? Only an imbecile could believe that. Who among us then has the most to suffer? The thousands who every day stand for long hours at their various occupations. Capitalists are hardly a majority among them. But that hasn’t dawned on our workers. In their eagerness to be the masters, they let themselves be led about by the nose like children.

    Ebert [59] has thundered against capitalism his whole life. Now he is president. And? At every street corner banks sprout from the ground like mushrooms. That is certainly a fact. Everyone sees it. Anyone can reach out and touch it. But does that lead anyone to smell a rat? Not on your life!

    “The first thing the Jew Eisner [60] did after the revolution was have the banks guarded by the army. Capitalists smuggled their enormous hordes of money out of the country for months, and he didn’t raise a finger to stop them. He felt it was more important to travel to the Socialist Congress in Switzerland and there place the entire guilt for the world war on Germany. Do penance, he said, and the French will forgivingly clasp you to their hearts. Quite likely! Experience has gloriously confirmed it.”

    “The same Eisner,” he nodded, “who, at the beginning of the war, sent a flood of telegrams to the other Social Democrat leaders, entreating them to remain true to the Kaiser. A disgraceful stab in the back must be avoided at all costs, said he. It went like that until the Treaty of Brest Litovsk. [61] Up till then all German Jews were inspired monarchists. But then came the about-face. The Moor had done his duty and crushed Czarist Russia; now for him to crush himself. The rest is silence. Visible to all eyes, the Jew also made his bid in Germany.

    “Oh, workers! To let yourselves be thus deceived! Things are different than which innocents let themselves dream. The Communist Party in Germany still has fewer than a quarter of a million members; yet it owns over fifty newspapers. What that costs is simply incalculable. Millions. Who pays these enormous sums? We National Socialists have our hands full just keeping our one Beobachter [62] going. If we had an arrangement with the Jews, we would have a prodigious number of party newspapers in an instant. Are there comrades who doubt that? I’d like to meet one. And, look here, this is the incredible thing: they know that the Jews are secretly behind things, but they act as if it weren’t so at all. Is that honest? Can that lead to a happy outcome? To rush to destruction unsuspectingly is one thing, but to do it knowingly and to single out one’s grimmest enemy as an accomplice is another.”

    [Also, how does “history’ or the “international community’ determine if your nation are the good guys or the bad guys]

    I reminded him of Russia. “Before the revolution, the Jews condemned her as a downright sewer of vileness, even though they were the evident vermin in that sewer; now, the same Jews are at the helm, and, the same Russia is a great nation.”

    “In the year 1870,” he rejoined, “we Germans had the privilege of being a great people. The Jews considered that the time had arrived for replacing the French emperor, who had become undependable, with a pliable president. This also seemed an excellent opportunity to establish the Commune; [21] thus the ‘heroic German people.’ No wonder that right behind our princes and generals a pack of gesticulating Jewish financiers rode into Paris. Meanwhile, though, we have sunk back down into the pack again. The press, ‘that select tool of the Anti-christ,’ as Bismarck called it, has designated us as ‘Boches’ and as ‘Huns.’ But have patience! The more quickly we approach Bolshevism, the more glorious we will become again. And one fine day it will be the English and the French who are the scoundrels.

  375. Mike P says:
    @the shadow

    632,000 of them were sent back to the front and 3321 of them were shot.

    Although I am sure you missed the irony in your remarks, they fully proved my point. Let’s see, the 3321 who were shot makes up .00002 percent (that’s right, four zeroes before the decimal sign) of all who retreated rather than stand up to the Germans. When only such a miniscule proportion of all those who had engaged in a headless retreat were actually shot, …

    3,000 out of 600,000 is 0.5%. The percentage you quote amounts to one eighth of a single soldier. So it’s back to school for you.

    It may be that most of the 632,000 were not actually deserters but arrived still as intact units, or at least as dispersed parts that simply had become separated from their larger units during the fighting. Such groups would of course be sent back.

    The shooting of deserters is commonplace not just in the Russian army; it also happened in the German army, particularly when they had entered their losing streak in 1943/4. As far as I know, General Ferdinand Schoerner earned quite a reputation in this regard.

    As for the immediate Darwinian selection of Russian troops on the battlefield, with the brave ones breaking out but the fainthearted perishing – that is very imaginative, but nothing more than that. Surely the vast majority of the soldiers broke out or were captured with their entire units, not as individuals. You probably just watch too much TV.

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  376. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia is a land based civilization and Russian nobility is different than abroad. Russia needs unity to survive and being surrounded by enemies on all sides (as well as internal enemies) it cannot afford weakness, cowardice, disgrace, and defeat. Like it or not people were loyal to the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party later the Communist Party and subsequently the Soviet/Russian state. People who say otherwise are mostly rightwing and Russia’s foreign enemies. Russia splitting its massive army into several regional commands and numerous smaller local commands protecting the north, south, east, west, all while maintain domestic order was no easy feat. They had to satisfy domestic needs while funding security and defense. They also had to improve, modernize, upgrade, and reform constantly since they were never under treaty imposed restrictions.

    After massive investment in human capital via good wages, less work, better conditions, more vacations, generous subsidies, cushy pensions, low prices, tax breaks, and heavy state support in medicine/education the Soviet/Russian elite had a right to expect political loyalty and a certain level of work performance. Tens of millions were mobilized during WW2 in a wide number of areas civilian, government, economic, and military. If some executions were conducted on the front even in large numbers (still miniscule) then they were legitimate. The purpose of SMERH which was the Red Army’s wartime counterintelligence agency staffed by NKVD officers but overseen by Red Army commanders and the Red Army high command was to hunt traitors, spies, cowards, and defeatists. They also secured the rear executing criminals, looters, degenerates, and filth. While Soviet artillery was the greatest killer during the war SMERSH did an excellent job as well preventing Nazi penetration of Soviet wartime efforts. Given the Soviet victory and final conquest of Berlin I’d rate SMERSH highly. In a war of mass extermination the Soviets had every right to believe prisoners captured by the Germans were traitors. After the war they were arrested, processed, screened, and imprisoned if necessary while most were forced to live with the disgrace of being cowards rightly so given their surrender.

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  377. @Mike P

    Damn, you’re right, my percentage was way wrong. I can only blame my calculater since I took it right off the screen. The number seemed odd, but how could the calculator be wrong. See, never trust without verifying. I can’t exaplin it, maybe I punched the wrong numbers.

    But even .5% or .005 is still a tiny number.

    Of course deserters are shot in every army. People who run from the enemy can’t be decorated or who would stick around and fight. In fact, the conditions that produce cohesion or disintegration of armies is a very complex matter. The issue was actually studied after the war to understnad how the German army in the main maintained its cohesion almost to the end. The final conclusion of the study was that it wasn’t ideoplogy or politics that did it, but belonging to primary groups who fought for each other. That was, however, only partly right as is evidenced by the cohesion in the primary groups in Vietnam bringing them together to to smoke pot and avoid contact rather than fight that, among other things, compelled Nixon to start Vietnamizing the war and drawing down US troops.

    As for your claim that the Darwinian selection of troops on the battlefield being imaginative but nothing more than that, in point of fact, the same thing happened during the battle of the Falaise pocket. The determined German soldiers broke out to fight again and were reconstituted, held up the allies and even inflicted defeats. On the other hand, thousands of the much less determined and faint hearted quit and became prisoners. Many of each were also killed. The key thing that led to the demoralization of the Germans was the overwhelming Allied air superiority against which they were more or less powerless. Even worse was rarely seeing the Luftwaffe in action on their behalf. That will inspire a defeatist attitude that shooting deserters is not going to change.

    And no, I don’t take my history from TV. I rely on books written by those who led and who studied campaign. Two perfect examples that tell you about Guderian is his own book”Panzer Leader, and the one written by Hoth, who commander Panzergruppe 3 and who guardedly criticized Guderian for his failure to close both the Minsk and Smolensk pockets. Gudeerian’s reputation has taken a hit since the Russian campaign has started to be scrutinzed by “revisionist” authors who have started digging beneath the tale first told by key participants who mostly sought to exhonerate themselves.

  378. @Anonymous

    You nailed it. That’s period, paragraph, end of story.

  379. Pandour says: • Website
    @Adûnâi

    Perspective you say-truly an Orwellian inversion.Ask yourself why over a million Soviet citizens fought for Germany in WW II,bucko.Maybe you can enlighten us on the use of Shtrafbats,Soviet penal battalions.At Stalingrad alone the Soviets shot 13,500 men within a few weeks.Between July and October 1942 more than 650.000 Soviet soldiers were arrested for desertion or being away from their units.The real nature of the Soviet regime and leadership is revealed by the Chartsysk massacre of Sept. 18th 1941 where the NKVD murdered 370 children aged 14 to 16.The children were members of the F.S.U. Trade and Craft School in Stalino.As the Germans neared the city the victims were force-marched 60 km. Utterly exhausted they begged for transport.Instead they were machine-gunned by the NKVD.

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  380. @Pandour

    These stories, repeated ad nauseam by people with clear selfish interest that has nothing to do with establishing the truth, do not gibe with the fact (which cannot be disputed) that the USSR won the war with Germany. That was in sharp contrast to many “democratic” European countries that lost it, in many cases in the most ignoble manner.

    Germans lost more soldiers storming “Pavlov’s house” in Stalingrad, which was surrounded by Germans and where NKVD had no access, that taking Paris. While Paris was taken by Germans, Pavlov’s house was not. Now how do you explain that?

    • Troll: L.K
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    , @Pandour
  381. Hibernian says:
    @Karl Nemmersdorf

    One of the main weaknesses of Saadam Hussein’s forces in the First Gulf war was that he had to keep some of the best troops in the rear to shoot deserters.

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  382. L.K says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Up to yer old tricks again, I see…

    Except that in the past you idiotically claimed that the Germans had lost more men fighting over Pavlov’s house than during all of the 1940 summer campaign in France, a RIDICULOUS LIE.

    Now you have changed that by saying the Germans lost more men ‘storming “Pavlov’s house” in Stalingrad … that taking Paris’.
    Very “clever”, since there was no battle for Paris, given that the French government declared Paris to be an open city in order to avoid its needless destruction.

    Now, had the Soviet Union been the same size of France in territory and manpower, it would have been crushed just as quickly as the French were, if not faster.
    The many crushing defeats the Soviets endured in 1941 should serve as sufficient proof to anyone, trolls such as yourself excluded.
    Yes, the Soviets won the war but they did NOT do it alone, not even close. In fact the notion they did is one of the 3 key Soviet myths, one which has gained considerable traction in the West as well.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  383. @L.K

    No answer on substance? Why am I not surprised? Your side lost the war 70 years ago. Still butthurt? Take heart: the South lost the war more than 150 years ago, and some people are still butthurt.

  384. @Hibernian

    It was hardly necessary for them to do that when there was barely a phantom army in Kuwait to contest the imperialist forces.

    One clear sign that Saddam had few troops in Kuwait is that a private company obtained satellite photos of the area Saddam’s troops had occupied, but there waere few if any signs of tread tracks armor would have left in the desert had large numbers of them been deployed there. Conclusion: no tread tracks, no armor. Second, number of casualties claimed didn’t even closely match the bodies that had to be buried. My favorite example, however, was a photo of a Syrian tank allegedly destroyed by the valiant allied forces beating up Saddam’s army that was carried by all the media. Major problem with it that destroyed its authenticity as a casualty of the Kuwait war. The track on the left side of the tank was entirely missing; it was not on the bogeys nor under them; it was not anywhere in the area where the hull was positioned. The fact the tank was intact indicated clearly it had not suffered a catastrophic hit, but its track had instead been hit and the tank kept rolling on the tread as it kept moving until the break reached the sprocket roller, and in that case, the segment the tank had run over up to the break would have been on the ground in front of or behind the direction it had been moving. The the segment that stopped moving after the break reached the sprocket wheel would have then been left under the tank.

    The absence of the tread anywhere in the area where it was is proof to a certainty the tank had been damaged elsewhwere (on the Iran-Iraq front, most likely), and had been moved there from the front and positioned by the Iraqi Army where it was found as a dummy target. Having one dummy target like that is the sound foundation for inferring that Iraq had place dozens if not hundereds in the area to place a phantom army into Kuwait. That’s the army the invasion forces pulverized.

    As for how Bush triggered that war to make Hussein appear as the agressor, read all about it in how Bismarck suckered Napoleon III into declaring war on Prussia to trigger the Franco-Prussian war that led to France’s catastrophic defeat at Sedan or, in more recent times, how the British triggered WWI while making the Kaiser out to be the aggressor.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  385. L.K says:
    @the shadow

    NEWSFLASH: THE HOLOCAUST IS WELL DOCUMENTED IN RECORDS PRODUCED AT THE NURENBERG TRIAL OF MAJOR AR CRIMINALS BY RECORDS INTRODUCED THAT GERMANS USED GAS CHAMBERS, ELECTROCUTED RUSSIAN BY PUTTING THE OPN FLOORS COVERED WITH WATER AND ELECTECUTING THEM AS WELL AS GAS FUELED BY DIESEL ENGINES AND BEST OF ALL, IN HUTS BY USING THE ENGINES OF T-34 TANKS.

    You of course, believe all this, especially when the sources are the Soviets.

    Pure SOPHISTRY…

    Your pathetic false analogy is to compare Soviet or other Allied atrocity propaganda with actual Soviet records made available after the fall of the Soviet Union when the Russian government partially opened their archives to researchers.
    When an increasing number of Russian historians who researched the archives began to reveal too many unsavory facts, particularly those shattering the myth of a purely defensive Soviet foreign policy, the archives were again closed & legislation was passed in Russia to punish those historians who disputed the “facts” established at the Nürnberg show trials, especially those re the “great patriotic war”.

    As for the holocaust atrocity propaganda no documentation exists, to say nothing of material evidence.
    Already in 1951 the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946),

    stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone:
    the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote,
    “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)

    You have also stupidly stated that the Red Army would not have used terror measures such as barrier troops because that would be ineffective or something; yet they did do it and it is well known from Soviet archival materials.
    According to your “logic” the Stalinist regime should not have used terror measures in its modernization drive of the Soviet economy since in theory it would be less efficient but it did & it is also very well documented, including all the human suffering and the sometimes disastrous effects, such as with Soviet agriculture.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @the shadow
  386. L.K says:
    @L.K

    For the record:
    Soviet General Dmitri Volkogonov, who was Director of the Institute for Military History and had unrivalled access to Soviet military archives, Communist Party documents and secret presidential files, wrote in “Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy”

    “To repeat: the restructuring of the agrarian economy could have been accomplished entirely without recourse to the terror and the tragedy that, both in scale and consequence, exceeded the repressions of 1937-38. It goes without saying that in both cases the use of force was criminal. The successful ‘liquidation of the kulaks as a class’ inflated Stalin’s confidence in himself as a dictator and he did not hesitate to liquidate all those who either had or might still come out against him. …

    Stalin’s forced ‘agrarian revolution’ condemned Soviet agriculture to decades of stagnation. The bloody experiment costing millions of lives brought the country no relief.”

    In another book, ‘Autopsy for an Empire: The Seven Leaders Who Built the Soviet Regime’, General Volkogonov stated that between 1929 and 1953 the Soviet regime caused the deaths of 21.5 million Soviet people.

    The marks left by Stalin on the face of the earth cannot easily be wiped away. Whether the thousands of buildings in the Stalinist style of architecture, the canals, highways, blast furnaces, mines and factories – built to a large extent by the slave labor of millions of anonymous inmates of his Gulag – or nuclear weapons, his traces are steeped in blood.

    Between 1929 and 1953 the state created by Lenin and set in motion by Stalin deprived 21.5 million Soviet citizens of their lives. No one in history has ever waged such war on his own people.
    Dmitri Volkogonov. Autopsy for an Empire: The Seven Leaders Who Built the Soviet Regime. pp. 139

    Another leading Russian historian of the Stalinist period, Oleg Khlevniuk, a senior researcher at the State Archive of the Russian Federation in Moscow, wrote in his book “Stalin: new biography of a dictator”, regarding the victims of the regime:

    Between 1930 and 1952, some 20 million people were sentenced to incarceration in labor camps, penal colonies, or prisons. During that same period no fewer than 6 million, primarily “kulaks” and members of “repressed peoples,” were subjected to “administrative exile”: forced resettlement to a remote area of the USSR. On average, over the more than twenty-year span of Stalin’s rule, 1 million people were shot, incarcerated, or deported to barely habitable areas of the Soviet Union every year.

    Furthermore, in addition to the 26 million who were shot, imprisoned, or subjected to internal exile, tens of millions were forced to labor on difficult and dangerous projects, arrested, subjected to lengthy imprisonment without charges, or fired from their jobs and evicted from their homes for being relatives of “enemies of the people.” Overall, the Stalinist dictatorship subjected at least 60 million people to some sort of “hard” or “soft” repression and discrimination.

    To this figure we must add the victims of periodic famines or starvation, which during 1932–1933 alone took the lives of between 5 and 7 million people. The Stalinist famine was largely the result of political decisions. In its campaign to break peasant opposition to collectivization, the Stalinist government used famine as a means of “punishing” the countryside. All opportunities to relieve the situation—such as purchasing grain abroad—were rejected. Starving villages had their last stores of food expropriated.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @ivan
  387. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Soviet Russia used every tool of statecraft to win WW2 political, economic, diplomatic, intelligence, and military. They won WW2 basically on their own fair and square but if America supported the Soviets then its fair to say all of Europe supported the Nazis.

  388. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia at the dawn of the 20th century was already a powder keg with a major conflict between the regime and the revolutionaries underway from 1900-1905 and again from 1905-1917 long before Soviet power was declared preeminent and supreme. Did some of you miss the fact Russia was invaded FIRST after the October Revolution during the Russian Civil War both by the Allies and Central Powers? That was the true start of the Cold War. Their puppets also waged a brutal war on Soviet power. Plus various gangs, warlords, armies, and terrorists began carving out their own states as well but all were defeated. They were not only given a good beating but crushed and their foreign backers given a bloody nose. However they continued to support various uprisings, rebellions, espionage, and subversion hence harsh repressive measures. In their next phase against Soviet power they built up Nazi Germany but they were not only defeated but destroyed with the enemies of Soviet power both in Europe/Asia castrated so as to never rise again. The global mafia being gangsters also fought among themselves weakening and crippling each other instead of uniting against their common foe world communism and Russia.

  389. Pandour says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    I talk about apples you babble about avocados-what does anything you wrote have to do with what I said.During the Soviet retreat in June and July 1941 the NKVD rearguard murdered nearly 100,000 prisoners,this thoroughly detailed in Soviet archives.For example,according to Soviet sources-Novaia i Noveishaia Istoria no.5,1990,the NKVD during the evacuation of Lvov murdered 1,384 prisoners.Also from Soviet archives-from June 22 to 19th October 1941 NKVD tribunals shot 10,321 deserters.The document detailing the executions was signed by Beria.When the Germans,approached the Soviets,through Sweden,to negotiate observance of the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war,Stalin refused.Please tell me why Stalin did not sign the Geneva Convention-maybe some things might become clear to you.Russian historian G.F. Krivosheev,on the basis of NKVD documents writes that after the war,the NKVD send 233,400 former Russian POWs to the Gulag.The total does not include Soviet citizens who served in the German forces,such as Cossacks-an entire Cossack corps under German command fought in Yugoslavia.

    • Agree: L.K
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  390. Adûnâi says:
    @L.K

    > “In another book, ‘Autopsy for an Empire: The Seven Leaders Who Built the Soviet Regime’, General Volkogonov stated that between 1929 and 1953 the Soviet regime caused the deaths of 21.5 million Soviet people.”

    A little-known fact – WW2 was started by Germany. German aggression against Russia in 1941 cost the lives of 27 mil. Soviet citizens. It would have costed even more – had it not been for Stalin’s successful defence of Russian statehood and race.

    > “On average, over the more than twenty-year span of Stalin’s rule, 1 million people were shot, incarcerated, or deported to barely habitable areas of the Soviet Union every year.”

    Yeah, so what? Russia is big. And the population increased nonetheless from 137.7 mil. in 1920 to 168.5 mil in 1939. That means the population of Russia grew by 1.6 mil. every year under Stalin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union

    (No, not because of Uzbeks.)

  391. ivan says:
    @L.K

    Heroic. Both shadow and AnonfromTN respond to replies based on documentation with irrelevancies. TN for example refers to flat earthers and Mormons. Then comes up with some silly jokes . .shadow instead uses the old tried and true method of pissing in every other direction except the urinal. If the responses get longer and belabour points already responded to with a rearrangement of sentences , without adducing new facts then its a sure sign of a Rogerian kind of argument. A childish solophism where they respond by rearranging the sentences.

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  392. Hibernian says:
    @the shadow

    The ground operation was an end run around the concentrated Iraqi forces in Kuwait.

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  393. Pandour says: • Website

    Russian field commanders had little regard for human life and relied on senseless and meaningless frontal attacks to obliterate even minor nests of opposition,incurring hundreds of thousands of needless casualties.The Russian State Military Archive has a data base confirming 167,976 killed or missing in only 105 days during the Winter War against Finland in 1940 along with the soldiers names,dates of birth and ranks.There were 5,572 Soviet prisoners-fate unknown after repatriation -probably all shot by the NKVD,as Western sources claim,aside from at least 152 who who enlisted in the Russian Liberation Army in Finland.Can you imagine the fate of British or American commanders for such criminal mishandling of troops under their command.

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  394. @L.K

    I guess you missed my point I was not comparing the records themselves but their credility as sources for the truth. Of course everyhing piled up at the Nurenberg trials about the holocaust was trash. Including the finding that Germans committed the Katyn massacres.

    Moreover, I notice that while you claim that the proof that the Soviets used blocking forces to coerce cohesion and instill the will to fight in Russians is in the records that substantiate it, those advocating using them as evidence and proof are extrmely light in citing any credible documents that was the point of my NEWS FLASH.

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  395. @ivan

    Excuse me. It’ s you folks who keep pissing into the wind with no idea where the urinals eveer are by your continuing to shift positions whenever your last one was devastated.

    I see we have now switched from using barrier troops to terrorize unwilling soldiers to fight for a cuse they obviously detest to how terror was used to collectivise agriculture. Wow. Talk about missing urinals while pissing into a hurricane.

    You now want to talk about the Soviets using terror to collectivise agriculture, a practice that by comparison is obviously completely foreign to the democratic west. Then how do you suppose all those family farm in America were “collectivized” into the enormous corporate farms operating hundred of thousands of acres, or small dairy farms with herds of 80 to 100 cows being turned into milk production factories of hundred of cows each?

    What got all those millions of farmers off their thousands of small farms, a process that is emptying rural America? I’ll tell you what – it was the quiet terrorism of bankruptcy and foreclosures that compelled them to leave slowly rather than the direct force the Soviets used to achieve the same aim more quickly because the small farmers could never produce the surplus food to feed the work force required for rapidly industrializing he country.

    Let’s say Uncle Joe realized he should instead proceed with the more benign methods of capitalist America and merely nudged the peasants into corporate (collective) farming. How far do you think he would have gotten from the end of the Civil War around 1920 to 1941? How many T-34 would they have been able to build by then, not to say modern airplanes, artillery and everything else that goes to waging modern war?

    Had Stalin been the nice guy you want him to be, the Wehrmacht would have been celebrating in Moscow in July 1941.

    I notice also, for example, that one of your crew who cited communications reports allegedly from specific units that included referene to a politial “officer” along with a commander killing soldiers who didn’t obey has not addressed the the missing identifying information issues I raised for authenticating those reports that should have been readily at hand had he hjad them. Run and hide is your answer when specific issues are raised about your claims.

    Yup, change the topic, launch feints in different directions. You’re experts at it. But address issues with real facts, logic. knowledge, truth? That’s unknown to you.

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  396. L.K says:
    @the shadow

    I guess you missed my point I was not comparing the records themselves but their credility as sources for the truth.

    NOPE. Your “point” was and is simply the crudest misdirection.

    Soviet propaganda against the Germans is obviously NOT credible and not a source for the truth.
    Actual Soviet archival materials, often quite incriminating stuff, is a different story altogether.
    It seems you are demanding that we transcribe the exact archival record data here, and I could even do that, but I ain’t your slave, have better things to do, and then again, what for? You’d just question the validity of it all. Ain’t gonna play that game.

    So I have made my case, you made your “point”, those interested can check it out and decide for themselves.

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  397. @Hibernian

    Since thatwas a phantom army, there was no end run around it, merely pasding empty desert.

    And just as I though. The US flagrantly disregarded and indeed violated the uathorizing UN resolution 678 which merely authorized uysing all “means” not force necessary for gaining compliance with the obligation imposed by resolution 660 of 1990 which only called on Iraq to withdraw its forces into positions occupied by them before they entered Kuwait. Since there was actually only a phantom presence in Kuwait, Iraq had effectively complied before a shot as fired. The US instead used this resulotion as a pretext for sending their forces into Iraq after full compliance with Resolutioin 660 had already been obtained. The US then did the same thing over Libya and used the allegedly humnanitarian purpose of protecting civilians to demolish Libya and murder their leader.

    Saddam could have stopped all this by admitting the obvious. He did not because doing so meant losing face, and I think he couldn’t believe his former ally on whose behalf he had fought the Iranians would double cross and do this to him. Little did he realize that Bush had headed the CIA who cuts anyone’s throat who gets in their way.

    That’s why Russia and China have wised up and veto any US resolution that even hints at the use of force.

  398. L.K says:
    @Pandour

    I talk about apples you babble about avocados-what does anything you wrote have to do with what I said.

    Well, InaneFromTN is just a Troll, so his behavior is the expected.
    This sad little liar is still pushing Katyn on the Germans, year 2020!

    You mentioned the NKVD murder of 1,384 prisoners during the evacuation of Lvov… and the Soviet propaganda machine already blamed the Germans for that, shades of the later Katyn episode.
    I wonder how many of the quite unknown number of Soviet civilian losses during the war resulted directly from Stalin’s policies, such as scorched earth. A lot anyway.
    You mentioned Stalin’s war on Soviet POWs;

    Historian Nikolai Tolstoy, writes in his book ‘Victims of Yalta: The Secret Betrayal of the Allies 1944-1947’:

    “…nor did it(Soviet government) become a signatory of the Geneva Convention of 1929, which defined more precisely the conditions to be accorded to prisoners of war.

    Despite this, immediately after war broke out in June 1941, the German Government approached the International Red Cross Committee with a view to regulating the conditions of prisoners on both sides. Lists of Russian prisoners were passed to the Soviet Government until September 1941. They then stopped, in the face of continued Soviet refusal to reciprocate. Over the winter the Germans made further efforts to establish relations with the Soviets with a view to introducing the provisions of the Hague and Geneva Conventions, but were rebuffed again.4 The Red Cross Committee itself then took a hand, approaching the Soviet ambassadors in London and Sweden; these made favourable noises, but on referring the matter to Moscow reverted to an impassive refusal.5

    Meanwhile Germany’s allies, Italy, Rumania and Finland, after likewise trying in vain to come to any mutual arrangement, decided to apply the terms of the Conventions unilaterally to the Russian prisoners in their hands. This generous gesture evoked no response either.6….

    Not surprisingly, the attitude of the German Government to their Russian prisoners began to harden,8 and those sections of opinion that opposed ill-treatment lost the influence they might otherwise have had. …

    Hitler himself urged Red Cross inspection of camps. But an appeal to Stalin for prisoners’ postal services received a reply that clinched the matter:
    ‘There are no Russian prisoners of war. The Russian soldier fights on till death. If he chooses to become a prisoner, he is automatically excluded from the Russian community.”

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  399. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Why would Stalin or anyone else in the Soviet/Russian government enter into negotiations with Nazi Germany after they broke the non-aggression pact? You don’t ever trust an intriguer and betrayer. Nazi apologists falsely claim the Soviets were the aggressors citing some traitor with a book to peddle decades later. In reality Hitler violated every treaty and obligation imposed on Germany. He invaded neighbors as well and broke pacts regularly. This is the international consensus on his regime and not “Soviet propaganda”. The idea that you can ignore everything leading up to another ploy this time on the pretext of “prisoner conditions” is insane. There are no Russian prisoners and Stalin applied that to his own son who later died in Nazi custody after Stalin refused a trade.

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  400. @L.K

    This sad little liar is still pushing Katyn on the Germans, year 2020!

    Do you mean to say that they found that time machine that transported German bullets to the past, bullets that were found at Katyn but weren’t even produced before Germany occupied that area? Can I use it, please?

  401. @L.K

    What case? Blabber? When I rely on specific documentsa, I cite them. When I rely on specific authors, I cite them. That makes it available for everyone to check up on me. Anyone really interested and able to engage in discussions based on evidence can and will do the same.

    So when someone cites “communication reports” from specifically identified military units, if they had that information, they would also have the necessary detailed evidence that establish who wrote it, when, etc. or they wouldn’t be able to cite the details they have. If they can’t cite the additional corroborating details, then that discredits the ones they cite.

    From lengthy experience about identifying, preventing, protecting, writing legislation and developing policies to prevent deception, fraud and misrepresentation in the marketplace, I am well aware of the importance of relying on details to expose it. That’s Mark Twain’s point about “if you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” Right, because having experienced it, you will know all the details of the experience that you can recite to verify and validate it. It’s the liar who gets tripped up by details because he can’t remember and won’t know all the details that would be present if the event occurred as the details he provides appear to prove. It is also precisely because someone making up a story and not having experienced the actual details involved is unsure about how the event actually happened and what evidence he should provide to substantiate it. And then to make it believable, they are prompted to add some extra detail that doesn’t fit the others they provide that exposes it.

    That was the clear tell-tale sign that exposes the claims about communications reports from one unit to another without also giving the other relevant details that should have been readily available had the other parts been true.

    Or to give you another live example from the Simpson case. Clark presented a witness (Shively) to the grand jury who claimed to have been driving on San Vicente at about 45 mph and had seen Simpson racing away on Bundy from the crime scene at the Bundy and San Vicente intersection. She remembered him because as he whizzed by on Bundy, after she stopped she could then clearly see him from the driver’s window after she stopped and he stopped to void hitting a car going in the other direction on San Vicente. That sounded reasonable and here was a key witness who put Simpson near the murder scene around the time of the murder. Hey, that’s it, lock him up for murder.

    Clark sure bought it, and no one would have known the difference until she had to ask a simple question posed by knowledgeable jurors about how far she was from Simpson when you “first saw him.” And she answered as close as a chair which Clark said was about three feet away. And she stupidly expanded by saying “Maybe closer. And she missed him when she was moving at 45 mph. Really.

    Clark the next day dumped her as a witness for reasons I won’t bother to detail. But it’s all there in the grand jury transcripts for June 21 and 23, 1994 that provide the foundation for clear inferences that must necessarily be drawn from the facts that are presented. And the prosecution almost immediately thereafter called for dismissing the grand jury.

    Done in by those details that made her account a physical impossibility.

    It’s such details that expose all lies, especially those holohoax stories.

    And I am not asking you to be my researcher. Merely suggesting that when you fail to present evidence that has to be there given your other claims, you definitely don’t count for me but you can also be sure I won’t let pass anything you say that fails the laugh test..

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  402. ivan says:
    @the shadow

    Yes I understand that bank foreclosures drove people off the land. That ruthless capitalism is in many ways indistinguishable from collectivisation in terms of the suffering it inflicts on the poor and the landless. Acknowledging one does not preclude the others. Some orders from Stalin such as the “not one step back” order was in all likelihood necessary to hold the line. Similarly Hitler’s orders to the Sixth Army to hold fast in Stalingrad is supposed to have bought time for the other elements to regroup. All that may well be the case. But nonetheless the plain fact of the commisars in the rear shooting at those attempting to flee remains and so does the mass deaths of collectivisation.

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  403. Pandour says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Wrong take,pal.Stalin did not sign the Geneva convention because he knew that in the case of war,mass desertion and surrender were inevitable and that no one would fight for that satanic system.To discourage such behavior he deliberately left his soldiers without protection under international law.We have no prisoners,only traitors to the motherland,the Great Humanitarian stated. Order 270 issued 18 August 1941 equated surrender with treason.To discourage soldiers from laying down their arms the government announced that family members of POWs were to be deprived of state assistance and families of commanders were subject to arrest.Generals Nikolay Kirillov and Pavel Poledelin,taken prisoner by the Germans in July 1941,after their return,were executed for treason in 1950.Ponedelins father and wife were sentenced to five years in camps as relatives of a traitor.Today in Russia Soviet POWs are still seen as a source of shame and are regarded as traitors and collaborators,Nice system,nice fellow Stalin,wonderful legacy. Stalin despised his son-after he attempted suicide,Stalin said that he couldnt even kill himself properly.Stalin was a degenerate and coward par excellence and cared about no one but himself.

  404. Pandour says: • Website
    @L.K

    Some of these people are way beyond the pale-past hope,past help,past care.The Soviets admitted and apologized for the Katyn massacre in April 1990,declaring it one of the most heinous crimes of the Stalin era.Russian military dead were four times greater than German,thanks in large part to Soviet tactics.Stalins whim to take to take Kiev by the 26th anniversary of the October Revolution on Nov. 7th alone cost 417,000 lives.Russian historians put the number of service personnel executed by the Soviets at 135,000.Russian historian Mark Solonin claims that 6-9 million Soviets were killed in Stalins repressions during the war.Documents from the Soviet archives number the total number of deaths in the Gulag from 1941 to 1945 at 621,627.In a report in 1995 Russian historian Viktor Zemskov noted-Due to general difficulties in 1941-1945,in the camps,the GULAG and prisons about 1.0 million prisoners died.Here is an interesting little aside.Bruno Bušić,a Croatian dissident,in former Yugoslavia worked at the Institute of the Workers Movement in 1965 in Zagreb,today the Croatian History Institute.There he amassed all available evidence at his disposal and concluded that in Croatia and Bosnia and Hercegovina,territories which roughly comprised the Independent State of Croatia during the war 1941-1945, 356,327 Partisans and civilians were killed in battle or were killed by Ustaša,Italians,Četniks-Serb royalists,Italians,Germans and Moslem militias or perished in camps.The number of those killed by the Partisans,military and civilians, and NOT listed in official sources was 454,983.This total only partially covers those killed in the immediate postwar period,May-Sept. 1945- to this one can add at around 150,000.In 1966 Bušić was sentenced to 10 months for reading immigrant publications and so-called enemy propaganda.He fled to Austria the same year.He was assassinated by the Yugoslav secret police in Paris on Oct. 16th 1971 for publishing his findings abroad.

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  405. @ivan

    At last someone acknowledges

    That ruthless capitalism is in many ways indistinguishable from collectivisation in terms of the suffering it inflicts on the poor and the landless.

    Except your next sentence that “acknowledging one does not preclude the other” is neither logical or practical conclusioin to be drawn from it since it appears t affirm what no one could argue. After all, it’s simple common sense that denying that Simpson committed the Bundy mrders does not at one and the same time deny that Stalin, communists or the NKVD murdered anyone. Of course not. Any school child knows that. Nor have I ever written anything that remotely even suggests it.

    So I have never denied that Soviets used harsh methods to promote industrialization nor that they also used harsh methods to maintain the cohesion needed to secure victory against the Germans. Of course they did. My initial comments were directed to questioning and denying the Soviets relied on blocking units in the immediate front line to compel their solkdiers to fight against their will. The proponents of this idea then started off on wild goose chases to bring up one new issue after another after their last poisitioned was shattered.

    So now we have come to the issue to the harsh methods the Soviets used to collectivise and industrialize Russia while the proponents of this idea apparently imagine the insutrialzation of the West occurred in a worker’s paradise and freedom

    The whole poiunt at issue is what it takes industrialize and agricultural economy. It was actually he physiocrats in France who took up this issue that has since then been mainly ignored except to the extent that some efforts were made by social scientists especially in the US in the 1960’s and 70’s to explain how development could be kick started in the underdeveloped countries when the key issue was whether the communist or capitalist road was best. China and India were seen as the test cases. The test is over. India and the capitalist road lost long ago and the issue of which was best died a quiet death.

    So anyone who really wants to address this issue needs realize that kley requirement for transforming a traditional, agricultural soiety into an industrialized one is generating the surplus agricultural production that is necessary for feeding workers taken off the farms and into factopries, and in turn creating surplus production in the industrialized sector that can be used for increasing the productive forces in society. The key issue to be resolved is how to extract from the producers and also accumulate the surplus production necessary to fund the dervelopment of technoloy and construct the tools that will greatly increase the productivity of labor to increase the suprplus that can be produced and extracted through each cycle of production.

    And the capitalist ideologists wag their fingers at the Communist and denouncing them for engaging in terror and murder to achieve those aims while silently only implying that nothing like that ever happened under capitalism where capitalists were doing the same in the paradise they made for workers .

    Really. Aside from using loans to bankrupt small farmers to drive them off the land, how aboput the tens of thousands of workers who were killed or maimed in industrial accidents while he apitlist owners compelklked them to produce under unsafe condiions. For example, while vising a coal mine in the Scranton area, the guiide told us how 30,000 workers had been killed in accidents while that mine had operated. That didn’t, of course count children under 14 who were discardable.

    The capitalist owners, oif course,denied all responsibility. Aftert all, they had in place safety measures designed to protect the miners. The small flaw was that they also imposed a per ton daily productiong quota on miners who were docked for failing to fulfill it. Thje time it took to follow the safety standards like shoring up the mine shaft were, of curse, not inluded in the quota. So the onlyn way the minors could satisfy their production quota was to ignore the safety standards. See. It was their own fault if they got killed by failing to follow the safety standards the owners had in place. It was all pefectly legal, and the mnne owners made sure the state legislaure kept it that way. See how democracy works.

    The, of course, there is slavery. Thouisands of balcks died on slave ships while beiong shipped here from Africa. And then they were subjugated to conditions slave owners imposed on them. How is that for working in gulags. Not only did the slave trade itself generate a handsome profit for the traders (mostly Jews), but the surplus stolen from the salves in the form of cotton generated a foreign trade surplus that circulated throughn the north to help fueld the growth of Northern industrial development.

    And let’s not forget the extermination of the native Americans whose lands were stolen at gun point by white settlers wgo were given grants to land used for producing the food needed by city workers.

    The refusal of the American Indians voluntarily to submit and part way with their traditions and wage war to protect them perfectly illustrates that force is always necessary to make any group of people give up their traditional life styles. The impetus for change within a group, however, depends entirely on whether the conditions under which they exist enables them to acquire the necesseties of life under their traditional ways. The main reason the Indians were not prompted to engage in technological innovation was that the Indian population was sufficiently sparse to enable them to produce the necessities of life without developing more productive technologies or to become sedentary and congregate in larger communities which gave individuals opportunities to become innovative and develop new technologies.

    But even within societies it’s not easy to give up traditional ways.

    And then the advocates of capitalism just wag their fingers and demonize the Communists for using force to achieve technological developments, while sanctifying whatever capitalists have done to achieve it that differs little in practice from what they demoinize.

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  406. L.K says:
    @the shadow

    Not really doing this for you, but since I’m on a dreadful Covid19 lockdown, I might as well do it for the record.

    From ‘Absolute War’ by C. Bellamy

    During the withdrawal there were frequent cases of Soviet troops panicking, and Kirponos ordered the formation of ‘blocking detachments’, which would become infamous across the front, to shoot any soldiers who withdrew without orders. At this stage, these were drawn from the Red Army, and not provided by the NKVD.

    Two days later, with typical contempt for the chain of command, Stalin and Shaposhnikov signed a Stavka Directive to all Front, Army and Division commanders, and to Timoshenko, commanding the South-Western Strategic Direction, ordering the formation of ‘blocking detachments’ in all divisions.
    Each division would have such a detachment, made up of ‘reliable fighters’, of not more than a battalion, and typically a company. These were to be formed within the usual five days and would come under the divisional commander’s direct control. In addition to its normal equipment, a blocking detachment would have some trucks and tanks or armoured vehicles. Its role was to prevent ‘panic and flight’. It seems extraordinarily self-destructive that, in every division, some of the best fighting men, with more and better equipment than usual, should be employed to shoot Russians rather than Germans. However, that was seen as the way to ‘reinforce the order and discipline of divisions’.[55] …

    [55]FSB Archives, Vol. II, Bk 2, Doc. 550, ‘Direktiva Stavki VGK No 001919 komanduyushchim voyskami frontov, armii, komandiram diviziy, glavnokomanduyushchemu Yugo-Zapadnogo napravleniya o sozdanii zagraditeVnykh otryadov v strelkovykh diiviziyakh.’, 12 September 1941, pp. 85-6.

    IVAN’S WAR – THE RED ARMY 1939–1945 by Catherine Merridale

    …These ‘blocking units’ were to supplement existing zagradotryady, the NKVD troops whose task had always been to guard the rear. Their orders were to kill anyone who lagged behind or attempted to run away.[11]
    Order no. 227 was not made public until 1988, when it was printed as part of the policy of glasnost, or openness.
    Velikaya Otechestvennaya, 2 (2), p. 278

    The incident I described upthread involving the Soviet 164th infantry div. can be found in p.130 of the English translation of German military historian Joachim Hoffmann’s Stalins Vernichtungskrieg 1941-1945 (“Stalin’s War of Extermination”), footnote 12 provides the archival ref.

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  407. Adûnâi says:
    @Pandour

    > “Russian field commanders had little regard for human life and relied on senseless and meaningless frontal attacks to obliterate even minor nests of opposition,incurring hundreds of thousands of needless casualties.”

    > “Can you imagine the fate of British or American commanders for such criminal mishandling of troops under their command.”

    Hey, dude, have you forgotten of that little historical event called… World War 1? Where your beloved Britishers and Americans and Frenchmen sent exactly millions and millions of soldiers in human waves to die over the course of four years?

    This is reality! People such as yourself exist! People that consider the Red Army as having a unique disregard for human life! After Verdun and the Somme! The anti-Soviet propaganda is mind-bogglingly widespread.

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  408. @L.K

    Thank you for the citation. I of course checked up on the author in Wikkepedia that was most easily available.

    First, the translation of the title is slightly inaccurate and reflects its political bias. It’s more accurate rendering is “Stalin’s War of Annihilation” rather than “Extermination” that more aptly fits the subject matter.

    Second, he has apparently been criticized for being too sympathetic toward the Nazi regime which, of course, is a big no no in today’s Germany. But that doesn’t as such discredit him in my eyes.

    Third, his main thesis in that book is that Stalin was planning to attack Germany, and Hitler was sort of waging a preventative war, but not technically because Hitler was not actually aware of Stalin’s plans to attack.

    So what we have here is a strongly anti-communist German author of military affairs who is seeking to rehabilitate and sort of validate Hitler’s attack on Russia. One of the ways he is evidently doing it is by demonizing the Soviets, Stalin and his commanders as brutal thugs and thereby elevating by comparison the stature of the Wehrmacht for seeking to do them in. But he can’t quite canonize them, so he tries to elevate them by debasing their opponents.

    Thus his approach differs substantially from how the German generals sought to rehabilitate themselves after WWII by stressing how they fought honorably for Germany but had their hands tied behind their backs by Hitler the evil dictator who disregarded their sound military advice that would have enabled them to succeed and avoid defeat. That tack preserved their honor and enabled them to avoid responsibility for the defeat Germany suffered. That’s the best they could do after Nurenberg,

    I therefore do not trust what he is serving up as evidence about the brutality of Soviet commanders using terror to generate cohesion in the Russian army and generating the will to fight that enabled them to defeat the upstanding Germany army that would never stoop to such measures.

    And in point of fact, since he was a military historian for the Bundeswehr, he should have known better that to refer to commissars in the Red Army as “political officers” as you cited it. Had they really been called that, then Hitler’s “commissar order” calling for the peremptory execution of such officers would have been called the “political officer” order. The fact it was not tells all. Of course, the incorrect identification could have resulted from a bad translation from German.

    But let me cite another more balanced account about what was going on where Kirponos commanded Soviet forces.

    “In he huge land mass of White Russia …. the fittest to command survived. A few commissars together with some Red Army officers of courage and foresight struggled day and night to form fresh units out of unarmed reservists, wandering stragglers, men on leave, and garrison brigades which littered the area…. Over the whole scene brooded [and here is what you are looking for] the ‘rear security detachments’ of the NKVD, machine gunners held ready ‘to check panic … and prevent unauthorized withdrawals.’” Indeed, several commanders were returned to Moscow and shot for cowardice. (Alan Clark, “The Russian-German Conflict 1941-1945“, p. 55).

    Panic is what had to be stopped when an attack has inflicted a crushing defeat on military units and the situation appears hopeless, making it every man for himself for the survivors. It is then that shooting a few of the panicked soldier can stop it in its tracks. But that’s vastly different than supposedly using terror to compel men to fight against their will, as was originally claimed. It would also obviously be ridiculous to shoot them all, making it all that much easier for the enemy to advance against dead enemies.

    That it wasn’t security detachments using terror that got Russians to fight is exemplified by the comment of a captain in the 18th Panzer division who Clark cites who noted that “‘. . . there was no feeling, as there had been in France, of entry into a defeated nation. Instead, there was “resistance, always resistance, however hopeless (e.a.). A single gun, a group of men with rifles . . . once a chap ran out of a cottage by the roadside with a grenade in each hand . . .’” (p. 56).

    You simply do not generate that kind of resistance by terror.

    That was and remains my point on this matter, and none of those contesting it have provided any credible evidence that disputes or refutes it.

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  409. Pandour says: • Website
    @Adûnâi

    They say arguing with an idiot makes two of them so Ill just leave you alone on this one.

  410. Pandour says: • Website

    Quite amusing how many on this site suffer from ideological and methodological blindness.After 74 years of mayhem,mass murder and misery the Bolshevik Revolution failed.The biggest country on earth,with abundant natural resources of all kinds could not meet the basic needs of its citizens.Along with political tyranny,Soviet history is a record of economic deprivation,The Bolshevik barbarians biggest targets were the family,religion and civil society.Murder of children became a norm after the syphilitic mongoloid Lenin ordered the extermination of Czar Nicholas II,his wife Alexandra,and their five children.In 1935 Stalin introduced Article 12 of the USSR Criminal Code,which permitted that children aged 12 and older be sentenced to death or imprisonment as adults.This so-called law was directed at the orphans of victims of the regime.Millions of families were rounded up and forcibly relocated to remote regions in Siberia and Khazakstan.Hundreds of thousands of children died of starvation or disease,many en route, and were buried in mass unmarked graves.On an island settlment in Siberia,of the 14,000 deportees who died there between June and August 1931 76 per cent were children.By June 1st 1938 in Moscow alone 15,347 children had been sent to orphanages.Starvation and malnutrition were a routine occurrence in orphanages.When one mentions the Russian Revolution,the first thing that comes to my mind-I cant remember who wrote it-is that it was the second greatest crime in human history,the first being the murder of Christ.

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  411. ivan says:
    @the shadow

    Thanks for the added perspective. I agree with much of what you wrote.

  412. Popeye says:

    Just a comment. Stalin’s last secret police chief , beria, was Georgian. According to many sources beria was a serial rapist of both adult women and juvenile females. I’d guess Stalin knew about bestial rapes by beria but did nothing to stop it or punish beria. Within a year of Stalin’s death beria was executed. However no public show trial. Secret trial then executed. A public trial of beria on abuse of power would have resulted in the implication of others in Stalin’s inner orbit. Thus secret trial and speedy execution

  413. anarchyst says:
    @Pandour

    “When one mentions the Russian Revolution,the first thing that comes to my mind-I cant remember who wrote it-is that it was the second greatest crime in human history, the first being the murder of Christ.”

    …and the jews were responsible for both of them.

  414. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    A proud Chekist rules Russia in the 21st century so I’m pretty sure most people liked communism. However just because anti-Soviet ideologues are stupid doesn’t mean everyone else should reduce themselves to their level.

    For example slavery didn’t exist anywhere in the world after antiquity and there was certainly no negro slavery only negro serfdom. So yes feudalism/serfdom existed in the west for nearly as much time as it existed in the east. Feudalism or semi-feudalism appears to be the most popular form of human economic organization since the advent of civilization.

    Communism is a child of the Enlightenment. Unlike other forms of socialism like religious socialism, agrarian socialism, anarchist socialism, and national socialism Marxism had a scientific basis. Marx was pro-labor but also very technocratic.

    The ghoulish conditions of Victorian and modern industrial society came later but were very real. It was Germany and Russia who led the way against them. The Kingdom of Prussia was the first state to embrace Marxism unifying much of central Europe under the Prussian banner forging the German Empire. Karl Marx himself approved and other socialists particularly anarchists often resented Marx for being too friendly and cooperative toward moneyed interests.

    At the dawn of the 20th century Russia also embraced Marxism or more importantly Marxism-Leninism long before Soviet power was declared preeminent and supreme. It was the communists who refused to let Russian money, arms, manpower, and capital be squandered against Germany. The purpose of both world wars was to pit Germany and Russia against each other but Nazi apologists being puppets of capitalism refuse to see that.

    This link was already posted above but it deserves a another reposting because it discusses the issues in depth.

    https://eradica.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/old-and-new-gods/

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  415. Pandour says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I remember a joke going around the Soviet Union in the 1960s.At the usual stultyfingly boring after-work party meeting which typically lasted into the evening the theparty trade union leader gave a speech announcing that the Soviet Union would pass the United States in industrial and food production within two years.One worker stood up and stated that it would be a bad idea for the Soviet Union to pass the United State.Bewildered,the leader asked why.Because,the worker said,if we did so they would see our bare asses hanging out of our torn trousers.

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  416. Adûnâi says:
    @Pandour

    > “After 74 years of mayhem,mass murder and misery the Bolshevik Revolution failed.”

    The population of the Ukraine reached its absolute historical peak – 53 mil. – in 1993, thanks to the Bolshevik rule. Whereas Christian globohomo have run the country into the ground – 20 mil. gone! Where is your condemnation?

    > “The biggest country on earth,with abundant natural resources of all kinds could not meet the basic needs of its citizens.”

    The population was growing. Unemployment was a criminal offense. Art was created. Women wore modest clothing.

    > “The Bolshevik barbarians biggest targets were the family,religion and civil society.”

    Bolsheviks used to say, “family is a cell of the society”. Religion? No, faggotry was not allowed.

    > “When one mentions the Russian Revolution,the first thing that comes to my mind-I cant remember who wrote it-is that it was the second greatest crime in human history,the first being the murder of Christ.”

    1. The Russian Civil War was waged by native Bolsheviks against foreign occupiers and interventionists.

    2. Why should a White man care about the fate of one Jew Jesus?

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  417. @Pandour

    Copper, flatfoot, plod, fuzz, filth, pig!

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  418. Pandour says: • Website
    @Adûnâi

    I never met or heard of a red who had a sense of haha.No wonder your kind never amounted to anything aside from being a plague on mankind.So emotionally constipated and mirthless.You would be far,far better of if you had Corona.The disease you have is the deadliest imaginable.

  419. Pandour says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    In a flippant mood I see.Come he slow or come he fast,it is death who comes at last.Are you ready.

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  420. @Pandour

    Lol. You chose it, so live with it. No skin off my back, cop.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  421. Pandour says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Crow now cry later,thats my vision of the future for you.

  422. @Commentator Mike

    Children and grandchildren of Polish refugees from Communism suffered worst in Detroit and other Michigan automobile factories as a result of the post-industrial collapse.

    Having fled Communism, these Polish flooded into Michigan’s factory cities for labor jobs.

    After the collapse of Detroit, these Polish-Americans suffered the worst. Their poverty in Michigan is incredible-many fled to smaller rural areas of Michigan because of exploding black crime in Detroit and Flint.

    So which system was worse? Poland, or the raw capitalism of the US which left Poland’s kids trapped in semi-abandoned Michigan factory towns filled with violent gangs and crack houses.

  423. Pandour says: • Website

    One of the greatest movie lines ever,Al Pacino in Scarface-I kill a communist for fun,but for a green card I gonna carve him up real nice-.

  424. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    @ Pandour

    I’m glad Marxist-Leninist Cuba was able to rid itself of criminals, unemployables, degenerates, and undesirables but it came at the expense of middle class white Americans with the area in and around Miami, Florida undergoing a massive crime wave which the movie Scarface highlights. White Europeans shouldn’t be upset now when their lands are flooded with rapefugees who are the armies their governments employ to topple foreign adversaries.

    At least the communists always stood for good wages, generous subsidies, pension systems, law/order, and closed borders. Most people living in crapitalism countries could only wish for that now. Just look at the recent pandemic only Russia/China have handled the crisis well but cucks like you would call them “authoritarian” states. What that really means is regular people live well enjoying security, safety, health, and prosperity. We’re witnessing the discrediting of crapitalism and constitutionalism across the globe today.

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  425. Pandour says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    An American dog,a Polish dog and a Soviet dog sit together.The American dog says-In my country,if you bark long enough,you will be heard and given some meat.The Polish dog says-Whats meat.The Soviet dog says What is bark-.Here is another old-time Soviet one.A man walks into a shop.He asks the clerk-Do you have any meat.The clerk says -No we dont have any fish,the shop that doesnt have any meat is across the street-.In every communist country thus far the worst and most worthless shit shit floats to the top.Not one self described-commie such as yourself sees himself as an ordinary working Joe.Every communist experiment thus far has imploded miserably and Karl Marx is still your favorite fantasy author-what a Sad Sack.Im just waiting for you to to give me the old line-But that wasnt real communism.You dont know shit about Russia or China.The Communist Party membership in China comprises 6.5 per cent of the population of 1.4 billion yet 90 per cent of the 1,000 richest people in China are Communist Party members.The richest man in China is Party member Jack Ma,net worth 42.3 billion U.S.All this while 800 million Chinese citizens live on less than 15 U.S. a day.

  426. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Marxism-Leninism was the defining movement of the 20th century. The Russian Social Democratic Labor party and its Bolshevik faction which became the Communist Party are historically important unlike you and your stupid jokes.

    There was no widespread prosperity prior to the 20th century either. Something big happened in a relatively short period of time which transformed the globe because mass poverty wasn’t just a third world phenomena it was common in so called advance countries as well. That changed only due to the Cold War and the threat posed by communist parties. That mass poverty has remerged in the 21st century in a big way. The middle class is slated to be the new poor hence why we see rebellion like Trump, Brexit, Yellow Vests, etc across the so called “free world”.

    Law and ideology are forms of subjugation and control. Your bitterness is mostly due to political defeat and personal pride. Progressive minded people who cared about the middle class and poor people supported communism but its fair to say nobody wants to be part of someone else’s empire either.

    The Russian Empire/Soviet Union Europe’s last great empire collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions like most empires do. Its legacy however remains strong and intact. The Cold War may have ended in Europe but never ended in the far east. Marxism-Leninism’s “second Rome” Red China still exists and thrives. Nations are only judged by economic/military power, who represents them internationally, and whether the productive forces of society are satisfied. By those metrics Russia/China are doing great today much better than most countries in fact and their people widely support their rulers. The rulers themselves are only judged by their character, quality, judgement, achievements, and successes. Mass man with all his vices, waywardness, follies, and other lowbrow shit that you pander to doesn’t matter anywhere and has never mattered at anytime in history.

  427. Pandour says: • Website

    In 2014 a State Commission opened Titos personal safe in the National Bank of Serbia.Inside were 29,366 kg of gold in bars and dust,2,663 gold coins,a numismatic collection of 1,271 coins,26,219 U.S. dollars,36.000 German Marks,149 pieces of jewelry belonging to the Karađorđević royal dynasty,a blue sapphire that once belonged to the Romanovs,18 sets of silver cutlery and 83 pieces of gold pins,cigarette cases and medals,many of them jewel-encrusted.This representative of the working class had the best hunting lodges in former Jugoslavija reserved especially for him,countless wine cellars throughout the country and a private estate on the Brijuni islands which had a private zoo-among the critters was a parrot,to my knowledge still alive,which was taught to squawk Tito,Tito.Four naval vessels cruised around Brijuni each day costing two million Dinars a day in fuel alone.He had a private aircraft-helicopter fleet,yachts, a private train and ship.When he went abroad he took dozens of suitcases of suits and dresses for the wife.Aside from the White Villa on Brijuni ,he had the Villa Dunavka near the town of Illok,the Villa Dalmacija in Split,a villa on the Lapad peninsula near Dubrovnik,a villa in Kumrovec which was converted into his residence in 1962,a villa in the Plitvica Lakes,the most luxurious one built between 1948,which cost 150 million in todays Euros and a villa in Zagreb not to mention other residences which included castles an manor houses.Titos bunker in Konjic built between 1953 and 1979 as a nuclear fallout shelter 300 metres underground cost 4,6 billion U.S. dollars.Boy,how those working-class heroes loved those capitalist dollars and German marks.Whats the European aristocracy compared to the red one.

  428. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting facts. However as long man exists hierarchy will exist and elites will exist which is not unique. Donald Trump is also the wealthiest man to be elected president yet his support mostly comes from poor people, working class people, and middle class people. In fact he represents their interests far better than the frauds, charlatans, corrupt stooges, and two faces from those classes pretending to do that for the past twenty years AKA controlled opposition. When you can’t be socially shunned, fired from your job, blacklisted from working, and sued out of existence by the powers that be well now you’re extremely dangerous.

    All that’s left is the use of force either from them or from you hence why political change and revolutions are violent. It’s called Marxism-Leninism because Marxists did not oppose capitalism they instead viewed capitalism as a necessary stage of history which was coming to an end and the conflicts of the modern era are all tied to that fact. Leninism represents Lenin who was rich, highly educated, and even a nobleman. So nothing wrong with being rich as long as rich people don’t dominate the political system at the expense of everyone else.

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  429. @Anonymous

    Force is indeed all that’s left. As Marx put it, between two rights, force decides. The point is exemplified in the tale of Robin Hood where he first meets up with Little John as they both seek to cross over a tree that had fallen and created a bridge over a creek. They meet in the middle, and Little John throws Robin Hood into the creek. That settled by force who had the right to cross first when each insisted on having that right.

    It’s exactly the same between the capitalists class and the working lass. The capitalist ideologues keeps insisting they are right. The proletariat insists they are right.

    The capialists rely on force to keep them in power, brooking no opposition and murdering millions to stay on top. Like the strikes they broke by shooting workers, imposing poverty on millions by compelling them to work for starvation wages, etc, etc. That’s all okay as long as force kept them on top.

    Then the worm turns. The workers unite and now they use force against the capitalists to strike them down. And now we hear nothing but yammering from them about how terrible it is that force is being used against them. Like the Cuban exiles denouncing Castro and his revolutionaries for depriving them of their freedom to exploit and murder their peasants and workers to keep them in line. And what was the by word when the criminals were put before the people? “To the wall!” That scum really hated that, and continue to dream of a comeback.

    I know. Payback is such a bitch. Get used to it. It’s coming. And I won’t hear you when it hits, like you don’t want to hear me now when I explain what a rotten bunch you are, and what it takes to create a more just and equitable community.

    To put this all simplky into the proper place. At one time, humanity was under kings who ruled by divine rights. The capitalists transformed it the hallowed divine right of property because they, of course, own the property that are the material resources that are the essential foundation for producing the necessities of life that enables them to compel propertyless workers to toil for slave wages while the capitalists take from them the product of their labor.

    This fictional divine right of propety is about to be transformed again into the real right of humanity to live equitably in a community.

  430. This fictional divine right of propety is about to be transformed again into the real right of humanity to live equitably in a community.

    If you mean Communism, that invariably turns into another elite class oppressing the ordinary man even worse than before. It’s essentially the old tyranny in the hands of less sophisticated, less emphatic people. That’s why the system has so much support from the capitalist class and originated with Jews, the two most loathsome groups in the history of the world.

    What they both hate is National Socialism.

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  431. @Alexandros

    And National Socialism was not run by just “. . . another elite class oppressing the ordinary man even worse than before”? In fact, it was the old capitalist class hiding behind Hitler who were prepared to tolerate modest increases in the living standards of workers to mollify them and entice them away from Communism who were most served by National Socialism.

    Moreover, note I said nothing nor tried to identify what the transformation would produce. The result will be the product of the dialectical transformation resulting from the struggle between the opposite of the divine right of property and the divine right of humanity to live equitable in community. It’s identified by the German word “aufheben” that Hegel referred to as the dialectical transformation that both destroys and preserves the old in the new.

    That new will be the product of that struggle, and we in the present can at best have only a vague idea as to what it will be. Engels at best suggested it would tranform society from controlling people into administering things. Or as Marx put it, from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs, with the satisfaction of the full hierarchy of needs Maslow identified being the driving principal behind the organization of the community as opposed to the driving principles of divine right of property under which it is the satisfaction of the most preponents needs of the tiny few at the expense of consigning the many to barely satisfying physiological and safety needs, and stultifying their ability to regularly satisfy the more preponent belongingness, self esteem and self actualizing needs whereby human beings can realize their full human potential.

    It is the capitalist denying the masses from achieving the higher needs by the imposing servile conditions on them through the wage slavery system that the diving right of property enables them to do that is their real crime against humanity.

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  432. @the shadow

    No. Conditions in Germany under Adolf Hitler and National Socialism were such that even former enemies like Lloyd George described it as the happiest people in the world. Hitler enjoyed immense support from the ordinary worker. Those who were lukewarm were the old order. Aristocrats, liberals and the priesthood. The capitalist class was content with the economic upswing, but would of course turn to the enemy when the war was lost. They were not however in any position to oppress the worker in Germany under Hitler. And the National Socialist government were not so irrational as to extinguish those in charge of heavy industry and entrepreneurship. They might view it as mollifying the worker, but National Socialism certainly did not see it that way.

    The problem with capitalism and marxism is that they are extreme ideologies. Hitler’s ideology is a balance of the two, choosing what is best and what works. It also introduces ideas of its own, like the racial and heroic component. The result was spectacular. Which is why the elite class from both ends of the spectrum fiercely opposes it to this very day. They have no problem with communism though, because as every capitalist knows, it’s just the other side of their coin. The rich and resourceful will always gravitate towards the top in any society. The key is to keep them from taking control over the State. Not to give them free reign or slaughter them in the streets.

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