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Funny how it goes with the Holocaust story: time and again, an ugly bit of truth slips out. When that happens, yet one more piece of the charade comes to light, for all to see. For a brief moment, one more embarrassing truth catches the public eye, only to quickly be cast into the depths of the memory hole. Only through diligence, hard work, and a bit of luck do such things come to assume a greater significance.

This time, sharp eyes caught the slip-up. The issue in question is an obscure World War II concentration camp in present-day Croatia, by the name of Jasenovac. The camp—which operated for around three and a half years, from mid-1941 until war’s end—is, by any reasonable accounting, all but irrelevant to the Holocaust story. Even according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, only some “12,000 to 20,000 Jews” died there, which means that the camp accounts for, at best, 0.33% of the presumed Jewish death toll of 6 million. Were it not for a recent blunder by the Jerusalem Post, I would likely never have spent a moment on the topic. In the grand Holocaust narrative, there are much larger fish to fry. But the latest gaff gives us a chance to shine a light on the on-going fraud that is the Holocaust. When the Jews themselves put a foot in their collective mouths, we should make the most of it.

The subject at hand is an article that briefly appeared on the Post website, titled “This disgraceful mocking of the Holocaust needs to stop now” (now available here; the original URL has been deleted). Written by an Australian journalist named David Goldman, the short essay obsesses over a three-year-old Croatian television interview in which historian and Croatian Jew Ivo Goldstein expounds on the “increasingly problematic” camp at Jasenovac. The interview, from 2018, included this question of Goldstein: “Many have commented on the lack of forensic evidence from this particular camp. Can you explain why this is the case?” (meaning, why there is an absence of evidence). Goldstein then dropped his “bombshell” reply: “Because in April 1945, Hitler flew in special machines to Jasenovac. These machines were used to dissolve the bones that were left.”

Several points here: One, in all of Holocaust historiography, there is no actual or even rumored documentation of any such “bone dissolving machines.” There were alleged bone crushers, driven by diesel engines; here is one alleged photo. But these have been shown to be fraudulent.[1]All alleged use of Nazi ’bone crushers’ to eliminate bodily evidence has been refuted in recent years. The machines in the few extant photos are likely conventional gravel ball mills used in road construction in the early 20th century. See the discussion in The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories (2018, C. Mattogno, Castle Hill Publishers), pp. 481-484. See also the online article “The bone mill of Lemberg” (2013). The Nazis also allegedly used chlorinated lime (quicklime) to try to decompose corpses at Treblinka and Belzec, but this chemical, when used, only reduces the odor; it does nothing to hasten decomposition. “Dissolving,” especially for bones, implies the use of acid or some other strong chemical process, but again, such claims are completely unknown in the literature. Hence Goldman rightly refers to these as “hitherto unheard-of machines.” Perhaps there was some confusion on Goldstein’s part, and he actually meant ‘crushing,’ not ‘dissolving.’ But again, we have no reliable evidence that such crushing machines were ever used by the Germans.

Two, this idea seems to be a pure invention by Goldstein to explain away a troublesome fact, namely, lack of forensic evidence at Jasenovac—meaning any corpses, ash, or other human remains. And by “pure invention,” I mean an outright lie. By all accounts, Goldstein lied to cover up a critical and damning fact. Anyone who has studied the Holocaust story knows that such lies are legion.[2]My all-time favorite Holocaust liar is Herman Rosenblat, who fabricated the whole “angel at the fence” story in the 1990s. His television interview in 2009, in which he openly confesses to the lie, is so audacious, so brazen, and so deluded that it stands as a monument to Jewish mendacity. The video is so instructive that it can’t be circulated enough.

Three, the whole premise that the Germans, in the final throes of defeat, would take the trouble to send anything like “bone dissolving machines” to an obscure camp in Croatia is patently absurd, as Goldman points out. The whole idea is nonsense.

Perhaps most significantly, this little episode brings to mind similar claims about the more important camps like Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Belzec. Lacking physical evidence, how can we justify claims of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or a million Holocaust victims at these camps? For the journalist Goldman, however, the lies about Jasenovac only “contaminate” the larger Holocaust story, which he accepts unquestioningly. As he says, “Why allow the contamination of Holocaust history with a place [Jasenovac] that cannot provide any independent forensic evidence past a few thousand victims, and that has an ever-increasing—including in 2021—victim list that has been repeatedly proven to have been doctored?” Indeed; and we can ask the same question about virtually all of the conventional Holocaust sites. The implications are dire for Jews everywhere.

A Short Course on Jasenovac

It is worthwhile taking a moment to review the conventional history of this camp, given the many lessons it offers here. It is undisputed that Jasenovac was established under the auspices of the Nazi-aligned government of occupied Croatia known as the Ustasa (or Ustase, or Ustashi). The camp was constructed in August 1941, not long after Hitler began his invasion of the Soviet Union. It consisted of five separate facilities, two of which were short-lived, but the other three—Ciglana, Kozara, and Stara Gradiska—operated right until the virtual end of the war in April 1945. The purpose of the camp is disputed; some claim it was strictly a detention and work camp, whereas others declare it to be an extermination center on par with the worst camps of Poland. By all accounts, several thousand people died there—mostly Serbs, but also Jews, Roma, and scattered numbers of Muslims and Croatian political enemies.

The numbers of victims, and especially the numbers of Jews, are the main points of contention. Like most Holocaust camps and death sites, the range of estimates is vast. Individuals sympathetic to the Ustasa regime, like former president Franjo Tudjman, regularly gave figures of just 3,000 to 4,000 total. Such numbers date back to the first forensic examinations of the camp in 1947. But by the 1970s and 1980s, the numbers were rising; the 1990 Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (p. 189) claimed, without evidence, that around 300,000 bodies were discovered and exhumed there.

Yet even this number was insufficient for our Holocaust propagandists. One recent article notes that, over past decades, “historians have estimated that between 700,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed at Jasenovac.” Serbian publications of the 1990s cited figures as high as 1.2 million.[3]Benčić, A. (2018). “Koncentracijski logor Jasenovac: konfliktno ratno nasljeđe i osporavani muzejski postav.” Polemos XXI (41): 37–63. Of these, around 15% are claimed to have been Jews—meaning, potentially 100,000 to 150,000. At that upper estimate, this would put Jasenovac well ahead of Majdanek in terms of Jewish death toll, and approaching the status of a Sobibor. If, on the other hand, Jews were 15% of, say, 3,000 fatalities, it would mean an utterly inconsequential 400 or 500 deaths. Much is at stake.

Today, though, the more commonly accepted estimates are much closer to the low end than the high. The current Croatian government seems to accept a figure of 83,000 total deaths. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum claims that “the Ustasa regime murdered between 77,000 and 99,000 people in Jasenovac between 1941 and 1945.” Of these, some 12,000 to 20,000 are claimed to have been Jews. Still, the USHMM is not very sanguine about their own estimates:

Determining the number of victims for…Jasenovac is highly problematic, due to the destruction of many relevant documents, the long-term inaccessibility to independent scholars of those documents that survived, and the ideological agendas of postwar partisan scholarship and journalism, which has been and remains influenced by ethnic tension, religious prejudice, and ideological conflict. The estimates offered here are based on the work of several historians who have used census records as well as whatever documentation was available in German, Croat, and other archives in the former Yugoslavia and elsewhere.

As I noted above, even 20,000 Jewish deaths are largely irrelevant to the broader Holocaust narrative.

A Rebuttal

Goldman’s short essay drew a quick and furious response from Dejan Ristic, the acting director of the Serbian Museum of Genocide Victims. It was published in the Jerusalem Post just two days after Goldman’s original piece. Serbia, of course, has an incentive to promote high numbers of victims, and especially high numbers of Serbs, because it enhances their victimhood status and promotes their nationalist agenda. But more important than high numbers is the overall integrity of the camp as a legitimate Holocaust site and not as a whimsical political ragdoll that has victim numbers ranging over nearly three orders of magnitude, and that is entirely lacking in relevant evidence.

Ristic’s rebuttal—“Shame on those who seek to revise history of the Holocaust”—is as poorly argued as it is poorly written. (Though, oddly, the Post website still displays this rebuttal, whereas the original essay is long gone.) Ristic expresses “astonishment” at the “pseudo-scientific and revisionist text” by Goldman, which contains, he says, little more than “a series of inaccurate statements and semi-information.” Ristic is incensed that Goldman dares to cite the ragged history of victim numbers; the Museum clearly accepts a figure in the mainstream range (80,000 to 90,000), though with the opportunity for higher figures in the future. Ristic writes, “As the research of the experts of the Museum…continues, it is to be expected that the number of Jasenovac victims will be corrected. … The estimated total number of victims is, unfortunately, far higher than the one that historical science will ever be able to identify with the precise data.” He is anxious to quell all thoughts of a mere few thousand deaths, and he equally seeks to avoid any suggestion that the figure approaches a million or more; as he well knows, both extremes threaten to undermine all credibility about the camp.

Most amusingly, in his entire lengthy rebuttal, Ristic never once mentions the “bombshell” about the bone-dissolving machines—not once. This is a tacit admission that the point holds, that no evidence was sought or found, and that the whole basis for Jasenovac as a top-tier death camp rests on little more than rumor and innuendo, if not outright falsehood.

The central problem for both Ristic and Goldman, however, is that their back-and-forth arguments promise to expose the far more consequential problems of the main Holocaust camps. In fact, Ristic does the nasty work for us. He writes, “we could ask a question as to whether it is possible to deny, in the same way, the number of 1,200,000 to 1,500,000 killed in Auschwitz since there is no forensic evidence for that claim either?” Touché, Mr. Ristic! The irony is that he is entirely correct, of course. No evidence (or scarcely any) for Auschwitz; none for Treblinka; none for Belzec—the same old story.

Grave Implications

Goldman’s main beef is with the ad hoc lie of the bone-dissolving machines, but this echoes the many, far more grievous lies about Auschwitz, Belzec, Treblinka, and indeed all six of the so-called death camps.[4]Such lies are vast, both in content and type. They cover all aspects of the Holocaust, and include overt lies, lies of omission, half-truths, dissembling, gross exaggeration, hyperbole, and many more. They were promoted by survivors, “eyewitnesses,” coerced and captive Germans, and present-day “experts.” I can’t begin to elaborate these here; they are the subject of several dedicated books. For starters, one might refer to Auschwitz Lies (G. Rudolf and C. Mattogno, 2017, Castle Hill), Treblinka (C. Mattogno and J. Graf, 2020, Castle Hill), or Belzec (C. Mattogno, 2016, Castle Hill). Or for a good overview of these issues, see my own work Debating the Holocaust (2020, Castle Hill). Of these, Goldman of course is silent. But he does decry the ongoing process of myth-formation surrounding a camp like Jasenovac, “where myths of Serbian and Jewish suffering were interwoven, providing a new series of national myths” (to cite the author David McDonald). Goldman, though, naturally avoids the similar but far greater myth-formation process about Auschwitz, the other camps, and the broader Holocaust. It is this very myth-formation process that has led to numbers like 1 million Jews gassed at Auschwitz, when, on the far more plausible revisionist thesis, perhaps 150,000 Jews died there—and none in gas chambers.

Likewise, Goldman ridicules the notion of human remains “yet to be discovered” at Jasenovac, and he rightly jabs a finger at the Yugoslav government, which, “during its 47-year rule of the site, never bothered once to try and locate these mysterious ‘missing’ remains.” The same, of course, can be said for the current Croatian government and its on-going 30-year rule. (One strongly suspects that there are simply no remains to be found there.) But this again raises the same question for the other camps: Where are the remains of anything approaching 1 million Jewish bodies at Auschwitz? Or 900,000 Jewish bodies at Treblinka? Or 600,000 Jewish bodies at Belzec? Do we have anything? Bodies, bones, ash—anything? Do we even have the holes in the ground where the Germans were said to bury the hundreds of thousands of victims, only to later dig them up and burn them “to ash” on open-air fires over wooden logs? Based on my years of research, the answer to all these questions is ‘no.’

What about the alleged 1 million Jews killed in the various ghettos? Where are their remains? What about the alleged 1.6 million Jews killed by shootings, mostly along the Eastern front; where are their remains? (Such figures are stated or implied by all of our experts, and are absolutely required to get us to the mandatory “6 million” total.) Not all of their remains, mind you, or even most of them. We would be satisfied with, say, half, or even a quarter, as long as we had a good explanation for the remainder. But instead we get stories of “600 bodies found here” and “250 bodies found there” and ashes consistent with perhaps “a few thousand bodies” at most. These are so far short of the “6 million” that they constitute an effective refutation of that very figure. Just as the “700,000 to 1 million” at Jasenovac is a farce, so too is the “6 million Jews” for the broader Holocaust.[5]This is not to deny that many thousands of Jews did die during the National Socialist era. By most revisionist accounts, perhaps 500,000 in total died, from all causes. But this is more than a 90% reduction from the claimed 6 million. And it reduces Jewish deaths to a mere footnote in the larger catastrophe that was World War II.

And yet, our intrepid reporter David Goldman has the gall to write, “Those who have conflated the only [!] wartime concentration camp without any verifiable data, with scientifically proven [!] Holocaust facts, have done immeasurable harm to Jewish history.” He is either ignorant of the truth or deliberately covering up the reality. The true “immeasurable harm” has been done by his fellow Jews and their intellectual lackeys who, for decades, have promoted an unsustainable myth of Jewish suffering.

The days of the “6 million” are numbered, and I suspect that Goldman, Goldstein, and friends know it. When that crumbles, so too collapses what little remains of Jewish credibility. When the orthodox Holocaust story goes down, the dominoes may well begin to fall. And when that happens, all bets are off.

Thomas Dalton, PhD, has authored or edited several books and articles on politics, history, and religion, with a special focus on National Socialism. His works include a new translation series of Mein Kampf, and the books Eternal Strangers (2020), The Jewish Hand in the World Wars (2019), and Debating the Holocaust (4th ed, 2020). Most recently he has edited a new edition of Rosenberg’s classic Myth of the 20th Century and a new book of political cartoons, Pan-Judah!. All these works are available at www.clemensandblair.com. For all his writings, see his personal website www.thomasdaltonphd.com.

Notes

[1] All alleged use of Nazi ’bone crushers’ to eliminate bodily evidence has been refuted in recent years. The machines in the few extant photos are likely conventional gravel ball mills used in road construction in the early 20th century. See the discussion in The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories (2018, C. Mattogno, Castle Hill Publishers), pp. 481-484. See also the online article “The bone mill of Lemberg” (2013).

[2] My all-time favorite Holocaust liar is Herman Rosenblat, who fabricated the whole “angel at the fence” story in the 1990s. His television interview in 2009, in which he openly confesses to the lie, is so audacious, so brazen, and so deluded that it stands as a monument to Jewish mendacity. The video is so instructive that it can’t be circulated enough.

[3] Benčić, A. (2018). “Koncentracijski logor Jasenovac: konfliktno ratno nasljeđe i osporavani muzejski postav.” Polemos XXI (41): 37–63.

[4] Such lies are vast, both in content and type. They cover all aspects of the Holocaust, and include overt lies, lies of omission, half-truths, dissembling, gross exaggeration, hyperbole, and many more. They were promoted by survivors, “eyewitnesses,” coerced and captive Germans, and present-day “experts.” I can’t begin to elaborate these here; they are the subject of several dedicated books. For starters, one might refer to Auschwitz Lies (G. Rudolf and C. Mattogno, 2017, Castle Hill), Treblinka (C. Mattogno and J. Graf, 2020, Castle Hill), or Belzec (C. Mattogno, 2016, Castle Hill). Or for a good overview of these issues, see my own work Debating the Holocaust (2020, Castle Hill).

[5] This is not to deny that many thousands of Jews did die during the National Socialist era. By most revisionist accounts, perhaps 500,000 in total died, from all causes. But this is more than a 90% reduction from the claimed 6 million. And it reduces Jewish deaths to a mere footnote in the larger catastrophe that was World War II.

(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. anarchyst says:

    One cannot counter the holohoax head-on.
    Doing so is not only too abrupt, but prevents people from thinking “outside the box” and (mistakenly) “offends their sensibilities” or “disrespects the dead”.
    Most people think that “it must be true” as “the big lie” has been disseminated and “set in stone” for the last seventy-years or so.
    The way to promote TRUTH about the holohoax is to use an oblique approach.
    Rather than stating that the holocaust™ is a hoax of massive proportion, possibly the greatest hoax in modern history, exposing peripheral claims is the way to go.
    Flyers exposing the holocaust™ con directly go nowhere because most people will not take them seriously or take the time to do the research themselves.
    Posting flyers with photos of Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer, Sylvia Stolz, and Ernst Zundel with the simple caption “Why were these elderly people imprisoned?” along with a website URL will pique the interest of almost everybody. The “hook” is then set. Pass these flyers out in front of the various jewish “freak shows” called holocaust™ museums.
    Another tactic to use is to expose the types of “death machines” that are claimed to have been used by “thenaziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews”. From “lampshades, soap, and shrunken heads (oh my)” to “jewish blood spurting out of the ground for weeks and months” to the “masturbation machines” and “electric floors”, all of these false, preposterous claims are easily debunked.
    A good method to use on those who are engineering and scientific types is to use basic scientific principles to bolster the impossibility of “gas chambers” without ventilation systems or “gas-tight doors” (that swing the wrong way making retrieval of the bodies impossible), to the “size” of the “gas chambers” which will demolish claims as to the quantity of people “gassed” at one time.
    Not only “gas chambers”, but crematoria which are designed to burn cleanly and emit no flames. Claims that flames shot out of the smokestacks are demonstrably false, as well as the claims that multiple bodies could be cremated in one “muffle” in 15 minutes without downtime for maintenance.
    Germans were and still are excellent engineers, but still cannot refute the laws of physics.
    The key is the use the holocaust™ promoters own absurdities and false claims against them.
    We can win this one. The TRUTH must prevail.

  2. Thanks for a very informative article. Jasenovac encapsulates the Holohoax in microcosm. You have called it a myth. It is better described as a fable – a fictitious narrative or story. Admittedly, there are some truthful elements or details, but all completely subsumed in a fictitious narrative.

    • Thanks: true.enough
  3. @anarchyst

    When you have people that believe in religion as something real and important in their lives, you must realize that you are dealing with people that haven’t the necessary intellect to understand anything scientific that is in contrast to their belief system.

    The majority of the world’s population has been propagandized to believe in nonsense such as religion and the need for government. They are programmed to want to be lied to and hence bold stories are eagerly consumed as undeniable fact.

  4. smiddy012 says:

    Maybe once we swallow this pill we can move on to the realization that Hitler was a crypto-Rothschild/British agent. Because nothing is more pathetic than white nationalists worshipping a crypto as if he were their martyred Messiah…

    Reminds me how the KKK was started by a freemason and that their bible was called The Kloran… Ethnocentric-first movements are particularly easy to Trojan Horse or create as controlled opposition from the start…

    Actually, understanding that Hitler was, in all likelihood, a crypto-Rothschild, ain’t even the hardest pill… The hardest pill for righties to swallow concerning WW2 is that the only major leader (of the big 4) who wasn’t completely controlled was Stalin…

    • Thanks: Bugey libre
  5. No such thing as a bone dissolving machine? On the contrary. The media has been “dissolving” the truth before our eyes for generations. The highlight being that the Nazis were never at the levers.

  6. ArthurK says:

    “Three, the whole premise that the Germans, in the final throes of defeat, would take the trouble to send anything like “bone dissolving machines” to an obscure camp in Croatia is patently absurd, as Goldman points out. The whole idea is nonsense.”

    Yes, very unlike the meritworthy pleas for me to send just \$19/month so that elderly Holocaust victims in the former Soviet Union won’t starve. After all, they have no one to count on but me.

    • Replies: @Charles
    , @Ray Caruso
  7. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Better to focus on cracking wide-open 9/11 first and to press for full accountability. The Hollowhoax will tumble far more easily in its wake.

    • Agree: Miro23
  8. There is one commonality between 9/11 and the 6 million.

    Jews have been prepping for major Wars for Israel. They needed something like 9/11, and by golly, it happened totally according to plan.

    Also, since at least World War I, Jews have been saying 6 million Jews were being killed here, there, everywhere. Anywhere there was some crisis involving Jews, 6 million Jews were threatened or killed.

    And then, WWII happened, and by golly, exactly 6 million Jews were said to have been killed.

    Are Jews super-lucky in their prognostications or what?

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  9. Tsigantes says:
    @smiddy012

    Exactly my conclusion too, thank you for writing this! Indeed, it should be obvious.

    It is the only explanation for the flagrant anomalies of both the Anglo-American narrative and the revisionists’ Hitler-as-Saint & Saviour narrative, neither of which look beyond their own Great Power “history”.

    Why would Hitler admire and illogically seek to avoid war with Britain, the country that promulgated WW1, fingered Germany for the blame and was largely responsible for the Versaille Treaty that eventually plunged interwar Germany into hyperinflation and reparation poverty? Revisionists claim that this is because the British are in fact really fellow Germans (!), which blithely ignores the Norman invasion, Celts, the indigenous Brits and other admixtures. (Do they really believe that the UK was empty until “Germans” filled it up?) Why would Hitler admire the country that dissolved the Austro-Hungarian empire – and 3 others –
    home of half the German speaking people, with whom Hitler sought union? Created the Palestine Mandate for his purportedly hated jews? Since Hitler supposedly embarked on his political career because of WW1 why would this particular outstanding enemy be so exceptionally excluded from his animus, from blame?

    [MORE]

    It also explains 1) the 10+ times Germany sued for peace with Britain – a grotesque historical anomaly which revisionists treat as a sign of German peacefulness [overlooking the war] and apparently assume to be normal : yet countries and fighting forces throughout history have never sued more than once, and rarely twice, for what should be self-evident reasons. It further explains the mystery of Rudolf Hess [highly educated purported author of Mein Kampf) and why he was held – uniquely and utterly absurdly – in cruel solitary confinement for the remaining decades of his life right up until his questionable death. If the Anglo-American narrative was true -which it isn’t – Hess, many times more than Speer, should have been endlessly deposed by the military, by governments and by historians and, like Speer, given a platform. We can also wonder why Hess and Speer were not executed. These factors alone point to conspiracy emanating from powerful elements of the British i.e. Anglo-American oligarchy pre-war and engineered placement of German ‘leaders’ – and subsequent betrayal by that oligarchy. The same oligarchy that the unelected Churchill was beholden to and whose orders he apparently fulfilled.

    Ditto for the absurd anomaly of Hitler’s hated Weimar Republic’s Central Banker Helmut Schacht (best friend and possible homosexual partner of Montagu Norman – many times head of the Bank of England, responsible for its transformation and for the creation of the BiS – with Germany as its first member) being :
    (1) appointed by Hitler and (2) sudden reversal of Schacht’s career course by turning into a national currency issuer. In fact this was the only way to pay for German re-armament and war infrastructure i.e. armaments, autobahns, reinforced and enlarged bridges, air strips etc. Hitler’s much vaunted Economic Miracle was in fact entirely focussed on war preparation, including the workers housing [siedlungen] needed near the new and enlarged industrial plants. Consider also the enormous American corporate investment into Germany’s war preparation after 1933.

    [Revisionists naively claim that Hitler invented national currency issuance, seemingly unaware that before the invention of Central Banks – by England! – all countries issued their own currency.]

    There are an infinite number of contemporaneous anomalies but stepping back from these details to view the entire post-war history up to the present, consider this: why would Hitler concentrate on carrying out Britain and Anglo-America’s ultimate and longstanding war aim of destroying and looting Russia – which is still in play 75 years later -and how did Anglo-America obfuscate their support for this? Military analysis of the Allies war in Europe provides much of the answer.

    Meanwhile, simple comprehension of the vastness of 11 time zone Russia, and USSR history, makes obvious that, then as no!, not only did Russia / USSR NOT need even more territory but that Stalin, – who had sent the Anglo-American agent Trotsky packing – (1) won his place as leader on the basis of ‘communism in one country]’ i.e. rebuilding and reinventing Russia on a communist model and (2) spent most of the interwar years struggling to achieve this aim. Stalin’s entire career was focussed on modernising the USSR (and eliminating its internal enemies). The last thing that he and the USSR needed was yet another war to further decimate the population and destroy what had been so painfully achieved to date. To prevent this USSR diplomats spent 5 fruitless interwar years being refused alliance by the western European Great Powers, to settle in desperation on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. These simple facts, attested to by every European archive, has been replaced by not only the revisionists’ claim of USSR warmongering – thus positioning Hitler as a mere “defender” [not only of Germany but, super-heroically, of the whole of Europe] – but in the present day the Anglo-American run EU’s 2020 declaration that the USSR was “co-responsible for WW2.”

    The Anglo-American oligarchy has waged an almost 200 year war against Russia on every conceivable front: this has not ceased but only increases in strength. Apart from MacKinder’s World Island theory (now dismissed as redundant but in fact self evident) this is due principally to Russia’s unimaginable resource wealth. We can remember the brief reign of the ‘Harvard Boys’….

    The entire post war ‘free world’ Narrative should raise eyebrows and questions about not only Hitler, the Nazis and WW2’s true European theatre’s war aims, but the sudden announcement of the Iron Curtain and Cold War, the pretence that Anglo-America defeated Hitler and won the war, the decision to position former enemy Germany as the leading industrial and political power in Europe and to be the deciding power in the CIA-formed EU, the mass importation of nazis to the US and appointment to leading positions inside the US, Europe and internationally, the downgrading of their actual WW2 allies in favour of ‘enemy’ Germany…..NONE of these decisions make sense even inside this fairy tale. And yet it persists, and even has its own recent, internal, Hitler-repositioning revisionists.

    And we should ask: is it merely coincidence that Hitler’s socialist (and fascist: combined corporate + government rule) is being defended and ‘revised’ today? In light of today’s censorship, racialism, euthanisation of the unproductive, preparations for war, evident government lies, de-sovereigned one worldism?

  10. Charles says:
    @ArthurK

    That International Fellowship of Christians and Jews infomercial – we must be referring to the same one – runs, as best I can tell, 24/7/365 on various cable channels.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @druid55
  11. The Big Lie is now a foundational pillar of the West. Millions of school children have been marched through the Holohoax remembrance centers to receive their indoctrination, and many tons of cement have been poured to create grand memorials to a falsehood.

    Propaganda movies and oceans of printer’s ink have reinforced the myth and dug the hole deeper.

    The big denouement is coming. All will be revealed. The Chinese-Russian Asian alliance will not allow the Big Lie to dominate their future. The rising East will flatly reject Holohoax mythology, and it will crumble in the West.

  12. anarchyst says:
    @Charles

    If Christians KNEW what jews REALLY thought of them, donations and funding for the International Fellowship of Christians and jews would dry up.
    Many of today’s Christians are “useful idiots” kowtowing to the jews and are too stupid to realize that ((they)) are being used.
    Harsh criticism?? YES, but true…

    • Replies: @OldWhiteMan
    , @anon
  13. Being a Croat who, as a kid, visited Jasenovac with school, and have later read not few books about the subject, I’ll just add a few points:

    * Tuđman thought that in Jasenovac CC died perhaps 40,000 people (malnutrition, typhoid, killing,…), not 4,000

    * bone cruncher is Goldstein’s fabrication; basically, he’s nuts. He cannot keep a civil discourse on the topic

    * how many people died there? I don’t know. There were no furnaces; nothing similar to some imaginary bone cruncher. It is true that some people were killed & thrown in the nearby river, but it couldn’t be a great number. I guess most of them were Gypsies who had been dispatched immediately.

    * one should not overlook one basic fact: the entire documentation on the camp had been transferred to Belgrade in 1945- and there was no serious attempt to analyze it dispassionately. So, ginormous figures are simply a fabrication.

    * yet, not a few people were really killed & died there. How many? I don’t know, but I’d say somewhere from 4,000 to max 30,000. Maybe less, maybe more. Be as it may, because the current Croatian government is basically a refurbished Yugoslav “deep state”- they don’t want to excavate the place to see what actually is there.

    * there are many Croats of Jewish ancestry who are vocal in their opinion that the whole number of Jews exterminated during the 1941-1945 period is overblown. It is true that NDH had “racial laws” for Jews and Gypsies; it is true that many local Jews were killed in various camps or extradited to Nazis; but it seems that figures are too big. Officially, I think that for Jews, the number of those who lost their lives in NDH is ca. 60,000. More realistic, it could be much lower. How much- I don’t know.

    Serbs could comprise most of the victims, perhaps 50-60%, Jews I don’t know, while about Gypsies I am clueless. The only two people who were killed there I know of were ancestors of my friends, Croatian Communists.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, John Wear
    • Replies: @tomo
    , @CroX
  14. Vanunu says:

    I always wondered what was used for fuel to cremate 6 million bodies

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @Hans
  15. the story of little red riding hood was better and more credible

  16. John_H says:

    I have visited Holocaust museums in the United States, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, and a resistance museum in Poland. I have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau Camps with their displays of the Holocaust horrors. I found that all of those experiences raised more questions than they answered about the existence of these camps for the singular purpose of death. The Holocaust propaganda machine of today would make Joseph Goebbels green with envy.

    • Agree: Derer, John Wear
    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  17. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    the following factual points about the phoniness of the holocaust story is very convincing:

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

    • Thanks: mark green
  18. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    when the jewish holocaust lie becomes common knowledge the jews will be stripped naked of their identity since the holocaust is the foundation of modern jewry identity. When that happens there will be no other identity of jews except the identitly that Hitler gave the Jews. Times are getting interesting.

    • Replies: @sally
  19. DanD says:

    This is one of the primary causes of the “Great Reset.” Zionism is not only NOT Judaism, it is anti-Jewish. In the end, Zionism will destroy the Jewish identity as anything that anyone would want to experience, because nobody wants to be an adherent of Satan’s agenda … and that’s how most Judeo-Christianites would ultimately perceive the current prevailing victory of any Zionist agenda.

    Anglican doctrine is a product of Zionist conquest.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  20. Where are the remains of the 666,666,666,666,666,666+ White Christians killed by the Jews?

  21. Where are the remains of anything approaching 1 million Jewish bodies at Auschwitz? Or 900,000 Jewish bodies at Treblinka? Or 600,000 Jewish bodies at Belzec? Do we have anything? Bodies, bones, ash—anything?

    yes. the ash is in the ground.

    Based on my years of research, the answer to all these questions is ‘no.’

    your “years of research” is irrelevant. go dig.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Da's Reich
  22. @Tsigantes

    The Anglo-US narrative of the Twentieth Century is absurd on it’s face. The management of the German-Polish conflict by the British is simply not part of the fairy tale spun for the people. Great Britain ran around the Mediterranean and pretended that the bizarre German aerial assault of 1940 somehow constituted a threat to the Empire. Germany constituted a legitimate alternative to the pre-1914 British and American economic orders. The same imperatives that drove the European wars after 1680 were the same in 1914, 1939, 1947 and 1999.

  23. @DanD

    You remind me of Miko Peled’s 2021/03/17 article here at UR, The Anti-Semitic Birth of the Zionist State: A History of Israel’s Self-Hating Founders.

    Yes, since the 19th Century or earlier there have been screams that six million Jews were about to be killed.

    But I infer from that Miko Peled article that the Zionists (aka Maccabeans) were determined to force Hitler to kill six million assimilated Jews for the wonderful justification of the creation of a Jewish state that that would bring.

    They didn’t succeed in that hope, and singling out the small proportion of Jews among those who died in the concentration camps is nasty, not being given special privileges makes them victims, of course.

    But ever since, they have been shouting success, that wonderful victimization of Jews really happened, when it didn’t, but that endless Holocaust shouting has worked so far.

    Miko Peled doesn’t exactly say that. My inference.

  24. @anarchyst

    Why were these elderly people imprisoned?

    Because they weren’t imprisoned when they were youngerly people.

    • Troll: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  25. anarchyst says:

    This post deserves to be an article on ts own…apologies for the long read…

    If “the holocaust” is thoroughly documented, why do all the documents show that it never happened?

    All of the German camp documents were stored at Bad Aralson since the end of the war. The Red Cross/ITS was the agency charged with controlling these records at Bad Aralson.

    In 1985, 40 years after the war, Dr Charles Beiderman was the head of the Red Cross/ITS, Beiderman was called to testify at the Zundel trial for the prosecution. Beiderman testified that QUOTE as of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468.

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing was noted or recorded about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp deaths total around 731,000-NOT 6 million. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war.

    [MORE]

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS??

    WHY would it build camps hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination?

    Things do not add up.

    Something BIG stinks in this whole jewish holocaust deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made deals with the German government in order to make life uncomfortable for jewish Germans.

    In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the yellow Star of David armband so that they could be easily identified. Most German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a homeland along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist dream since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage emigration to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the cream of German society (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish holocaust is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc.

    In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”. There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST.

    There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish holocaust has been turned into a de-facto religion in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish holocaust truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the tribe that FEAR the real truth of the jewish holocaust being exposed is evident.

    A questionable dishonest judicial “trick” used in holocaust trials is that of “judicial notice” in which TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE KANGAROO COURTS THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. Judicial notice, once invoked against a defendant, disallows the introduction of evidence that does not conform to “commonly accepted beliefs” about the “holocaust”, EVEN IF THE EVIDENCE EXPOSES THE HOLOCAUST LIES AND FABRICATIONS THAT CAN EASILY BE DEBUNKED. A question for you holocaust promoters-why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a cash cow that keeps on giving. . . “there’s NO business like SHOAH business”. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully covered up.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question official jewish holocaust orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the official jewish holocaust story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to all things holocaust. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest victims of holocaustianity are Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer and Sylvia Stolz, who are elderly grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prisons in Germany for incorrect thoughts.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the chosen) to engineer the jewish holocaust, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish holocaust was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state.

    In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many real holocausts of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish holocaust is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term holocaust to mean mass extermination was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that false guilt could be assigned and reparations could be procured. Follow the shekels…

    Look at the commercialization of the so-called jewish holocaust while the much larger jewish bolshevik communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten.

    To assure a continuing supply of jewish holocaust survivors, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean camp numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and disease “holocaust transference syndrome”. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust survivors” are infected with this disease and should also be considered “holocaust survivors”, eligible for holocaust reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals (jews only) can be “infected”with this jewish-only “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least)..

    This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a homeland Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, while the jewish boycott (actually the jewish declaration of war on Germany) started in1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Let’s not forget that as “world jewry” declared WAR on Germany in 1933, a vile evil book “Germany Must Perish” was authored by Theodore N. Kaufman, a jew, who advocated the complete destruction and extermination of Germany, it’s people and culture, and erasure from the world timeline and history.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a holocaust of 6 million for the same amount of time.

    Regarding that premier (jewish freak show) holocaust showplace Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called gas chambers. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called gassing took place. There is a gas chamber chimney that is not connected to anything.

    From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the operators of these supposed gas chambers. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these camps.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter traveled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported gas chambers, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the gas chambers did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the chimney for the supposed gas chamber does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH with his professional and personal character assassination by those of the tribe. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts law for practicing engineering without a license-a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets re-created the death camps for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were liberated by the allies, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be liberated by the Russian allies.

    It is said that the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth Unfortunately this quote does not apply to all things holocaust. It appears that there are those”holocaust promoters” who are afraid of the TRUTH as it would dry up their “cash cow”, hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all current holocaust believers to check these things out for yourselves IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find

  26. …I am of Ukrainian descent and grew up with Jews, Croatians (Chicago Land) , and I can safely say that Thomas Dalton did an excellent job of exposing a fairytale! The Croatian nation in WW2, was short on weaponry, man-power, fuel to send hapless victims (Gypsies, Serbs, Jews, Croat commies et.al!) to their supposed deaths at Jasenovac! The railways were always at risk of sabotage by Serbian Chetniks and later, the Serbian Partisans….so would it not be easier to “kill” them on site, instead of teansporting these poor victims to these “death” camps? The serbian Chetniks and partisans always had a continuous supply of weapons, from the British and later, the Americans! Ironically, it was William Colby (OSS and later CIA chief) who parachuted weapons to Joseph Tito in 1943. The daughter of Croatisn nationalist leader,Anton Pavelich, stated that Jasenovac was a work camp, NOT a death camp. Strange as it seems, this Joseph BROZ Tito’s name was rumoured to be Walter Weiss, Joseph Ambrose Mayer, Ledere Sonin, General Nikolai Lebedev, and he was not of Yugoskav origin, but one of the…cough, cough!

    • Replies: @padre
  27. Jasenovac is connected with the events of the Second World War in Yugoslavia, and as with just about everything connected with the Second World War in Yugoslavia, the truth seems impossible to ascertain.

    However, I wouldn’t see anything that is proven or disproven about Jasenovac as somehow indicative of the truth or falsity of the rest of the Holocaust narrative.

    • Disagree: Arthur MacBride
    • LOL: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @lavoisier
  28. The Tridolatry of Jew-Negro-Homo Worship must end.

    Otherwise, it’s all over.

    • LOL: Schuetze
    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  29. John Wear must be spreading toxic WWII truthiness deep in the heart of Texas:

    A senior school administrator in the Lone Star State was recorded telling educators that if they’re going to keep books about the Holocaust in their classrooms, they must also stock material representing “opposing” views or “other perspectives.”

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-texas-school-teach-other-side-of-holocaust-crt-20211014-vpah7kboh5hpzbfdlv7a35vvd4-story.html

    Incredulous gasping in response to the concept that there might — should – must be two sides to the story is so profound that ventilators might be back in style.

    Send some luv Texas-way, and also: Write to your favorite Texas school teacher or librarian and suggest three or four or twenty titles that “represent ‘opposing’ views or ‘other perspectives.’ ”

    Like Unz forum.
    Or many of the books in the Unz collection —
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    John Beaty, The Iron Curtain over America;
    Henry Elmer Barnes, Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace https://www.unz.com/book/harry_elmer_barnes__perpetual-war-for-perpetual-peace/
    Nicholas Kollerstrom, Breaking the Spell: The Holocaust, Myth and Reality
    John Wear, Germany’s War
    David Irving, Dresden; Hitler’s War; Churchill
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/index.html

    or the collections at Germar Rudolf’s Inconvenient History,
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com
    such as Holocaust Handbook,
    Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century
    IHR’s The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry

    This is our chance to non-violently influence local school boards.
    Do it!

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Thanks: John Wear
  30. mephisto says:

    If tomorrow, the official narrative is: 12 million Jews died in the holocaust, then that will be the line. And in a year, no one will remember the 6 million anymore. Such is the power of the Jews. So it’s pointless to talk about minor inconsistency or slip up. If you can’t see “the power”, then you’re doomed.

    • Replies: @Patricus
    , @Joe Levantine
  31. Weaver says:
    @anarchyst

    Whoever is in power makes stuff up. I don’t know that the history will change. Whites being blamed for many bad things will justify the colonization of Europe by Africans and Middle Easterners. Russians also like the story.

    So, they’ll probably keep the story. I think people just need to raise their kids right and not worry what the mainstream believes in.

  32. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    What about Jastrebarsko children’s concentration camp? Never heard in human history of the abomination to devise the rounding up of children, including toddlers, for locking them up and dieing in a concentration camp?

  33. Weaver says:
    @John_H

    Old people believe in it because of the tv. The Internet changes things.

    However, you also have, or had, these old survivors who’d tell others the stories were all true. They’d say they were there; they saw it. At least, they saw something. Maybe they lied for money. Maybe others tricked them into believing a falsity. Maybe they “saw” things as children. If your neighbor tells you he was there, it’s easy to believe him.

    At some point, someone with no life needs to write a WWII book that attempts an honest telling of the history that needs to be known about it. It’s just one war. Let’s tell what the Russians truly did, what the Jews did, Germans, everyone. And be done with it. It ought to be possible to gather the info that exists.

    We already have new nightmares to look at. It’s strange to constantly talk about WWII like it’s this unknown thing. A book for people’s kids is all that’s needed, in my view – a book that has no falsities, cannot be proven false or unfounded, is thus reliable.

    It does seem true that abuse happened, albeit not only under the Germans.

    • Agree: Thomasina
    • Replies: @Rooster111
  34. @anarchyst

    Christian Zionists are delusional people. The lie that Jews have some sort of title deed to Palestine is only eclipsed by the lie that Jews are “God’s chosen people”.
    If the “Holocaust” is indisputable truth, then why are men and women in prison all over the Western world for questioning it?

  35. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    “Individuals sympathetic to the Ustasa regime, like former president Franjo Tudjman, regularly gave figures of just 3,000 to 4,000 total. Such numbers date back to the first forensic examinations of the camp in 1947. But by the 1970s and 1980s, the numbers were rising; the 1990 Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (p. 189) claimed, without evidence, that around 300,000 bodies were discovered and exhumed there.”

    This is completely inaccurate and I would be embarrassed to write something like this.
    The history textbooks in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia cited 700,000 as the total number of victims at Jasenovac (~600,000 Serbians, 80,000 Roma, 30,000 Jews).
    And SFR Yugoslavia was under Tito (Croatian) who had absolute power and all the reasons to hide real number of victims.
    This number was result of forensic examination and was used from 1947. to the end of Yugoslavia 1990.
    Number of victims have never been small in beginning and inflated during time as you wrote. From the end of WW2 up to 1990s it was 700,000 victims. Contrary to that, recent (last 20 years) attempts to minimize number of victims are Croat nationalist lies and propaganda.

  36. Just look at how many words it takes to unravel the Big Lie. Mind-numbing, eye-glazing, thousands of words meant to excise the rotting, stinking lie. It is tedious and thankless work and the patient sees the surgeon as the bad guy because he is the one inflicting pain to try and get the gangrene out. The patient screams and demands the surgeon stop the operation. He insists the gangrene doesn’t matter. He will live or die with it, just stop the pain. Meanwhile vital organs become more and more poisoned as infection spreads Until finally the patient prays for death. Hitler wrote that if the Jews win, it will be a funeral wreath for humanity. I guess the only question now is do you prefer burial or cremation?

  37. LeoB says:

    if you’re trying to build your evidence on the amount of “remains” you won’t get too far with proving any atrocity.

    are you aware of any Holodomor remains? how many GULAG remains can you account for?

    there are very few known thorough investigations of remains such as the one performed by Germans in Katyn.

    • Replies: @Mackie
  38. Toza says:

    Jasenovac was built for a specific purpose: to exterminate Serbs living on the territory. An independent expert commission in the 1960s determined the number of those killed at around 800,000. A large majority was Serbian. All the other speculations, especially those by Croats, are just fabrications. The truth will soon have to be acknowledged.

    • Replies: @anon
  39. @Tsigantes

    We can remember the brief reign of the ‘Harvard Boys’….

    If only the Harvard Boys had some control over their greed, they would still be ruling Russia.

  40. Dube says:

    …an extermination center on par with the worst camps of Poland.

    For accuracy, it should not be difficult to replace two letters with two different letters:

    …an extermination center on par with the worst camps in Poland.

  41. Schuetze says:
    @Tsigantes

    why would Hitler concentrate on carrying out Britain and Anglo-America’s ultimate and longstanding war aim of destroying and looting Russia

    LOL. If “Britain and Anglo-America” had wanted to “destroy and loot Russia”, all they had to do was not bail out Stalin with Lend Lease and even join Hitler in stopping the Judeo-Communist take over of Europe. ((Churchill)) saved Stalin’s ass as Wehrmacht rolled across the steppe in 1941, and ((Roosevelt)) saved his ass from 1942-44. The amount of Jewish collusion and corruption involved in propping up of Stalin through Lend Lease in staggering, it even included the massive transver of Nuclear technology and Uranium.

    Clearly the plan all along was for the Judeo-Communists to take over of all of Eastern Europe, Manchuria, Mongolia, China, Korea and quite possibly western Europe as well. Whether some of the NSDAP, ie. Borman or Canaris, were in on the plan, or merely dupes in the operation, is not clear and certainly not proven. Claims that Hitler was a Rothschild are preposterous in light of his medals and near death experiences in the trenches of the first Jewish world war. One thing is for certain, both the UK and the US governments were chock full of Jewish spies whoring for the USSR and Israel.

    • Agree: Dystopian
  42. Ed Case says:

    Were bonecrushers around in the 1940s?
    It’s a fearsome piece of machinery, will turn a forequarter of beef into liquid in the blink of an eye.

    Germans either invented or perfected all slaughtering machinery, so it’s possible.
    Use of bonecrushers would remove the necessity of executing the victim beforehand, and the liquid could be pumped to a river.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  43. Ed Case says:
    @anarchyst

    In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war.

    Well, Jews were on top in Europe after 1945 so isn’t it reasonable to expect more of them putting their hands up once the Fascists had gone to the gallows?

  44. 1. This article is an example of what happen when you don’t know the subject you are writing about. Author should at least read few things about WWII in former Yugoslavia
    2. His point of view is the croatian Nazi point of view. Almost every Western point of view leads to the Nazi revival at the end. And it finishes up under the walls of some Stalingrad.
    3. Red Army didn’t finish the job on the West back in ’45. They didn’t make revenge for their 26 million dead.
    4. Same for the Serbs. They didn’t make revenge for their 1 million dead in WWII.
    6. These examples show that once you start the job, you should finish it. If you don’t – the job will finish you in 50 years time. That exactly what this article is showing to us.
    7. Next time, and that time is approaching, Russians and Serbs should finish the job. Because every time the West attack, we are left with millions of dead. We don’t have capacity for that game anymore. We have to end this.
    PS. For the “author”: Jasenovac camp was for Serbs. Jews were more the collateral damage there, to please their German masters. Nazi Croatian state (same as today Croatia) had fixation on complete extermination of Serbs. Now just check population of Serbs in Croatia before the WWII and today. Is it so hard to do?

  45. Miro23 says:

    All alleged use of Nazi ’bone crushers’ to eliminate bodily evidence has been refuted in recent years. The machines in the few extant photos are likely conventional gravel ball mills used in road construction in the early 20th century.

    These stupid arrogant lies seem to be a feature – same as kerosene simultaneously (and instantaneously) melting all the steel supports of the WTC 1, 2, 7.

    There’s a F…. You aspect to it. Everyone will worship at their tribal “holocaust” shrines because the tribal thugs will enforce it. It’s pure totalitarian sh.t.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  46. GMC says:

    Cambodias killing fields has/had all the evidence of a holocaust and a War. Eastern Europe has evidence of a war. But it doesn t have evidence of, a Jewish holocaust. The Zionist jews spit on the non jews and the peasant jews that were killed in WWIi.

  47. Schuetze says:

    We have to recognize that Tito was a complete pawn of Stalin, the murderer of tens if not hundreds of millions, and that Communist Jews have never stopped apologizing for Stalin nor have they ever apologized to his victims. The Serbs not only destroyed Yugoslavia twice with their lust for domination, but they also played a major role in the outbreak of both World Wars for Judea.

    Dinko Šakić was commander of Jasenovic until 1944, his wiki page has a few revealing tidbits:

    “Šakić is reported to have personally taken part in killing and torturing inmates.[2] Eyewitnesses stated that he shot prisoners numerous times, often killing for sport those who were sent to work in the fields surrounding Jasenovac.”

    LOL. Funny how Jews always claim that the labor camp commanders loved “killing for sport”. Or course it has to be true, we saw it with our own eyes in “Schindlers List”.

    “He [Šakić] showed no remorse and stated that Jasenovac was not an extermination camp but a work camp designed to hold the enemies of the NDH, whom he claimed were treated in a kind and benevolent manner. He claimed that no killings had occurred during his command. He maintained that the camp was organized to hold those complicit in the “Serbian genocidal policies” that he claimed were implemented against the Croats from 1919 until 1941.”

    The entire planet got a taste of “Serbian genocidal policies” during the Civil War of the early 1990’s. We know this is true. We also know about the crimes against the civilian population of Yugoslavia, and the butalities committed against the Donau Deutsche by Tito and his band of murdering rapist communist “partisans”.

    Here is Šakić’s statement to the Croatian ((kangaroo)) court:

    I am proud of what I did and would do it again. Jasenovac was a legal institution based on law, where all those proved to have worked for the destruction of the Croatian state, and who had been dangerous for public order and safety, were interned. Considering the duration and population of the camp, the death rate was natural and normal. If we shot people, we did it on the basis of the law. There are no states in the world that don’t have prisons and camps, and somebody has to perform this thankless duty. I regret that we hadn’t done all that is imputed to us, for, had we done that then, today Croatia would not have had problems. There wouldn’t have been people to write these lies.

    Šakić reminds me of Ursula Haverbeck.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
    , @Antiwar7
  48. tomo says:

    I have been to that place – when I was a kid in Serbia that was a museum.
    They did have a device to crush skulls – I still remember it – a giant sledge hammer – maybe 2 cubic ft in volume with spikes all over it.
    I also remember a glove with a knife attached to the bottom to make slitting throats more efficient.
    They killed a lot of Serbs there and gypsies – not sure how many jews.
    That was a museum everyone went to see when in primary school from all over Yugoslavia.
    I believe Croats hid evidence and tried to make a disnuland version of it after they split from Yugoslavia.

  49. profnasty says:
    @Tsigantes

    You conflate Communist/Jewish Soviet Union with Capitalist/Christian Russia.
    They are Beauty and Beast, but incompatible.
    Jews propensity to fashion reality from myth has created our present day Communist America.
    I’m sure you approve.

  50. padre says:
    @Common Time

    Well being “Ukrainian descent” says it all!

  51. profnasty says:
    @Vanunu

    Some believe 19th century Egyptians used mummies to fuel steam locomotives. Perhaps the Nazis dried old Jewish bodies to burn new Jewish bodies.
    Egypt, as Germany, is a land of engineering miracles.

  52. tomo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    that was my impression when I went there
    But I do remember a giant hammer there as big as a small kid with spikes all over it
    and a glove with a knife blade attached to it
    also a giant pile of shoes
    and a big amount of gold filling pulled out of people’s mouths etc

  53. brams says:
    @RoatanBill

    But atheism does not lead to jail as it does in most European countries with “free speech”.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  54. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    What happened to basic arithmetic? The narrative has always been 6 million Jews were murdered and that ground zero for massive extermination of Jews was at Auschwitz where a plaque commemorating the death of 4 million stood for decades.

    In 1989 the plaque was taken down and replaced with a plaque claiming 1 million (not 4 million) died at Auschwitz. So 3 million were taken out of the equation. 3 million from 6 leaves 3 million. Yet they’re still claiming 6 million???

    • Replies: @Jihadijew
    , @Mulegino1
  55. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    The entire holocaust narrative was established at the farcical Nuremberg trials, where it was decided that the evidentiary process would be dismissed and, under newly created Nuremberg “statutes”, the court declared it would recognize any testimony for the prosecution as “self-evident fact” and “common knowledge” without requiring any evidence whatsoever. Consequently, everyone with a grudge against the Germans appeared and offered their own bizarre horror fantasy, no evidence required to back it up. Under the statutes, defendants would have no opportunity to offer evidence to contradict any testimony.

    Given that corrupt process, the entire holocaust narrative should be swept off the books. Only charges with supporting evidence should be given any credence.

    Of course, the extension of the Nuremberg statutes is the new charge of “holocaust denial” which was instituted across Europe to prevent anyone from introducing any hard evidence into a court of law that contradicts the Jewish narrative.

    What the world needs is an international law against holocaust fraud under which all the holocaust hucksters can be imprisoned for truth denial.

  56. Anonimko says:

    It is unclear what is the intention of this text. The Australian ‘Goldman’ was hoax and it has been already established that this was organised by Ustasha successors in Croatia. It is well known that a Jew Goldstein from Zagreb is Ustasha’s collaborator. A Serb Ristic is a corrupted idiot. Before WW2, 75 K Jews lived in Yugoslavia, 15 K survived the war. Jasenovac was one of the most monstrous concentration camps where more than 700 K Serbs were killed and about 30 K Gypsies and Jews. This number was established by Croatian commission immediately after the ww2. Croats had another few dozens of camps and killing places where, under Vatican’s sponsorship, attempted the extermination of Serbs. About 120 years ago Serbs were the majority in the today’s Croatia. Now, there are only couple % of them, mostly old who remained to die in their birthplaces. Such atrocities performed by Croats, human civilisation haven’t seen before. Croats only in the history had concentration camps for children. The majority of killings were performed by special knives and Ustasha organised competition who can kill more Serbs in one day. Many corpses were thrown in the river Sava floated downstream to Belgrade. Few barrels of children’s eyes came from Croatia via river Sava with a message – a gift to Serbian children. Catholic priests were directly involved in all these atrocities and after the war organised Ustasha’s escape to Argentina via Vatican’s channels. The current Croatian politicians and intelligentsia, without one SINGLE exception, strongly support past and ongoing genocide on Serbs. In the 90-ies Croats in a coalition with Bosnian Muslims tried to finish the unfinished business from ww2 and exterminate Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia. For e.g. Serbs consisted one half of Sarajevo population (500K). There are not anymore Serbs in Sarajevo. The war is prepared and followed by never seen before propaganda and media satanization by mostly Jewish media in US (e.g. NYT).

  57. “operated right until the virtual end of the war in April 1945” should have been written:
    “operated right until virtually the end of the war in April 1945”

    How very American! Can’t remember how to write English properly? Just redefine grammar and make your text irritating to read…

  58. @brams

    If speech can land you in jail, then there is no “free speech” in that jurisdiction, regardless of what is claimed.

  59. Pascal says:
    @RoatanBill

    You mean Jesus didn’t make sandwiches out of thin air? Blasphemy! Look! That’s exactly the way the Fed makes dollars! Same folks too! :o)

  60. Mike Tre says:
    @Ed Case

    Germans invented the dreaded Lamp Shader. Jewish women and children were fed, still living, into the hopper of the Lamp Shader and after the demonic sound of screaming and sprockets rattling and steam venting, lamp shades by the thousands appeared on a conveyor belt exiting the Lamp Shader from the other side.

    The original Soapmaker, another fear inspiring contraption, is legendary. It’s design is what the modern Keurig coffee maker is based upon. Jewish men were loaded into a massive cylinder 100 at a time, the stainless steel floor perforated. A massive piston press would descend from overhead, with such heat and force, that the jews were liquefied as they were forced through the holes in the floor. The matter was then pumped through a process of stolen jewish technology, after which the paste was dispensed from a spigot into soap bar molds.

    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Ed Case
  61. Jihadijew says:

    So when are we going to see new movie/TV series/documentaries about this new found Holoux site Jasenovac. Spielberg’s new project.

    The bone dissolving machines are cement mixers or may be stone crushers.

    The magic 6 million will be new 7 million?

  62. Schuetze says:
    @Milan Krajinovic

    Jasenovac camp was for Serbs

    Actually no, it was for Croats, Slovenes, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians and Germans.


    Konz-Lager Jasenovac (Jesenovec)

    Jesenovec township lies in middle Croatia, at the entrance of Una tributary in major river Sava. This best known Croatian Konz-Lager via the falsified propaganda of antifascists and liberal-leftists became the disreputed ‘Jasenovac’: By their uncontrolled and unprofessional reversing of all related data, antifascists and liberalists falsified not only the shortened duration and inflated victims of this camp, but even falsified its name alone. The war and post-war history of that Konz-Lager was recently documented in details by Ljubica Stefan 1998:

    1. The original Croatian (Kaykavian) name of this site was Jesenovec (listen: Yessenovets), and actual false-propagandist ‘Jasenovac’ is its artifical-serbized variant (Јасеновац) and not original name of local Croats.

    2. This camp was not at all allegedly closed by Tito 1945, but it evidently continued to work intensely in its same site up to 1948; also its late closing was formal and in 1948 it was immediately translocated to disreputed Goli Otok camp – working up to 1990.

    3. In its secretely prologed function (false declaration was ‘closed’), Jasenovac was subsequently in 1945-1948 misused for post-war revenge with torturing and massacring of 40,000-50,000 Croats (now falsely added in back as Serbs killed in war).

    4. This later anti-Croat massacres in Jasenovac became a strong taboo up to Yugoslavia’s disaster 1990, when the related documents and survived witnesses became accessible: but mendacious leftist and antifascist propagandists till now repeat their former political fabrications (on its closing 1945, false name ‘Jasenovac’, any killed Croat, but ‘million’ or more massacred Serbs and others there). There is probably no any other Konz-Lager in World with so abundant falsified fabrications, as is now this missnamed ‘Jasenovac’.

    Just as the Judeo-Communists of the Red Army massacred thousands of Polish officers at Katyn in April 1941 and then blamed it on the German Army at Nuremberg in 1945, so did the Jews and Serbs of the Judeo-Communist Partisans murder many thousands of Croats, Slovenes, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians and Germans at “Jasenovac” and then blame in on the Croatians. The murder of Jews and Serbs at “Jasenovac” is just one of those typical Jewish projections perpetrated by their most useful idiots. Serbs, like Russians, who pride themselves in being Slav (Slave), seem to be the most easily and completely mislead by the Hebrew.

    Just as the Red Russian Rapist Army massacred all the officers of the Polish Home Army (Armia Kajowa or AK) after the war, so did Tito and his “partisans” massacre the Mihailović’s Chetniks, and so did Mao massacre Chang’s Nationalist Chinese officers. In all three cases, the same thing happened after the war, and was deliberately ignored and even encouraged by Truman and Churchill.

    Whereas the Chetniks and the AK were actually fighting the Wehrmacht and SS during the war, Tito’s Partisans were terrorizing civilians and trying to stab the Yugoslav resistance in the back.

    In Poland, Communist Poles and Jews in the ZPP were doing the same thing, terrorizing civilians and fighting the AK, while avoiding the Wehrmacht and SS in the same cowardly fashion.

    Of course the same pattern repeated in China, where Mao was not fighting the Japanese, but only terrorizing the peasants and fighting with Chang’s armies.

    After the defeat of Germany, the German labor camps in Poland and Croatia were turned into slave labor and torture centers used against anyone who had “collaborated” with the Germans.

    Even if someone could find heaps of bones in “Jasenovac”, one would have to be a fool to believe Serbs and Jews who claim that they weren’t Croation, Italian Hungarian and German.

    • Thanks: One-off
    • Replies: @One-off
  63. Jihadijew says:
    @Anonymous

    In those 1 million deaths at Auschwitz missing are gypsies, Polish criminals, and Political dissidents.

  64. papers says:

    I see that there are now *three* butthurt Serb nationalists in this thread, furiously attacking the author for exposing the hoax. We see the same thing in Poland where Simon Wiesenthal even admitted before he died that he made up the number of 5 million dead Poles to increase goy buy-in. It is a clever trick from the Holohoax™ industry to get buy-in from goys.

    The question these butthurt Serb nationalists should ask themselves is: if these fantastical numbers of 700K+ dead serbs are correct then where are the remains?

    All I see here are statements that “this has previously been established”, as if we’re supposed to take statements by governments at face value, LOL. If you have nothing to hide, then show us the evidence.

    Since there is no evidence to support insane claims of 700K+ dead, we simply get sputtering nonsense and fact-free statements. Nobody can deny that there had been brutality between these two ethnicities, but that does not mean we should honor outright fabrications and lies, whether from serbs or jews.

    One last time: If there is no evidence then we can conclude that there was no genocide. Simple as.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Mackie
  65. Schuetze says:

    One of the Big Lies about Yugoslavia centers around “Tito” himself. Just like his patriarch Stalin who only spoke crude Russian, “Tito” spoke SerboCroat with a heavy Polish accent. There is also the controversy concerning his missing finger. And just like Stalin, there are these persistent rumors and evidence of his mother being a Jew.

    The Fake Josip Broz

    “Josua Ambroz Mayer was born in Austrian capital Vienna on May 7, 1891. His true physical father was Samuel Mayer, a rich Polish Jew and owner of the Viennese factory of medical prostetics. Marija Javeršek then was his Slovene servant, and that correlation resulted by the birth of their son Josua Ambroz. In difference of his handicaped half-brother (Josip Broz), Josua Ambroz was healthy, robust, well educated and much more intelligent. ”

    Tito was as fake as the “Yugoslavia” created twice by Serb’s dead set to yoke all of the Balkans into their “pan-slavian” dream. For over 100 years the Balkans have suffered from macho Serbian fantasies and blood lust.

    As a Viennese Jew, Tito never learned a consistent Croatian speaking: In his numerous sermons across Yugoslavia, he mostly spoke in his original Inter-Slavic mixture of Polish, Slovene and Russian with few added Serbian words i.e. a hybrid language similar to modern artificial Slovio. When after WW2 he arrived in ‘native’ Kumrovec, many his neighbors and age-mates cannot recognize him (but mostly left tacit before his repressalies).
    Death and Consequences

    Tito died in Clinic centre of Ljubljana on May 4, 1980, from a gangrena in legs. In his last days of agony, Tito spoke mostly in Wiener-deutsch of his youth, and not in his usual Inter-Slavic as former president.

    Crypto-Jew Tito, like Crypto-Jew Stalin, was also a genocidal murder, and both are still beloved by slav useful idiots everywhere. Both of them went to great lengths to hide their true blood lines.

    Tito’s Yugoslav Massacres

    [MORE]

    After Soviet Stalinists and western Allies, Titoist Yugoslavia was the third major producer of massive massacres from 1945-1952. Under Tito’s communist regime perished together 1 100 000 victims, and his major massacres (each above 10,000 victims) were these of foibe, of Bleiburg, of Bacska, and of some concentration camps. His post-war victims of ethnic purifications were all non-Serbians i.e. mostly Croats, Italians, Hungarians, Germans, Albanians, …etc.

    Foiba Yazovka: The misuse of foibe (deep calcareous caves with vertical entrance) for killing in western Balkans started there with Turkish invasions after 16th century, and culminated by foibe massacres in WW2. The most reputed case is thirty foibe accross Istria peninsula where in 1945-1947 Yugoslav army killed between 5,000 to 16,000 Italians. But many other similar foibe with even more victims occur also in Adriatic islands of Dalmatia (Krk, Zirje, Brac, Korcula, etc.), and the largest one is foiba Yazovka with 9,000 – 12,000 Croatian victims from Zagreb city (mostly invalids, females, scholar children, etc.) – see also: Foibe yougoslaves.

    Bleiburg field is a site at Austrian / Slovenian border, where in May 1945 Allies arranged the extradition of many Croatian refugees to Yugoslav titoist army. Of about 200,000 refugees, 1/3 were Croatian soldiers and other 2/3 were civilians, villagers, females and children escaped from Serbian-communist invasion. Then all were tortured by Yugoslav executors lead by chetnik Simo Dubaic, and between 50,000 – 70,000 of them were massacred.

    Bacska massacre: before WW2, actual northwestern Serbia or Bacska county had a Serbian minority only, and the former majority there were Hungarians with also considerable Croatian and German minorities. By the Serbian invasion northwards under general Rukavina in 1944 with a Soviet support, they captured Bacska plain and tortured local Hungarians and Germans (Volksdeutscher) chiefly in towns Novi Sad, Sombor, Bezdan, Kanjiža, etc. So nearly 50.000 Hungarians and undefined number of Germans were massacred there; then others exiled in Hungary or Germany, and so this county after 1945 reached a new Serbian majority.

    Yugoslav Konzentrations-Lager: There is a perpetual falsified propaganda from antifascist Allies up today, that by the fall of Croatian puppet state (NDH) Yugoslav titoists allegedly deliberated and closed the Konzentrations-Lager established from 1941-45 to exterminate Jews, Tzigans, Serbs and other non-Croats. However in the field reality, the most reputed Jasenovac camp continued to work intensely up to 1948, then being misused for post-war torturing and massacring of 40,000-50,000 Croats (now falsely added as Serbs killed in war). Moreover, other two Croatian camps created in WW2, i.e. these in Lepoglava and Gradisca (Stara Gradiška) really continued to work throughout 7 next decennia up today, being the perpetual sites for iterative torturing and killing of many Croats: 3/4 of Croatian national-rightists so far passed through their prisons, and many ones also perished there.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @tomo
  66. Anonimko says:
    @Schuetze

    Only one complete idiot can assert that Serbs ‘played a major role in the outbreak of both WWs’. It is well known who prepared the ww1 and who had interest to start this war. Similarly, for the ww2. Again the same players, before our eyes they are trying to start the ww3. Serbs had ‘lust’ for domination? One year before ww1, Serbs just finished the liberation war against the Ottoman Empire where they suffered huge casualties. Only some moron can think that they had interest to start the First World (!) war where they lost 1/3 of total population (52% of male population plus 9% crippled). They did not need Yugoslavia but Croats asked them for permission to get into YU because they were a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire and they would be assimilated by Germans. YUG was a Serbian mistake which costed them dearly. During the ww1, Croats conducted many atrocities in occupied Serbia what was documented by Archibald Reiss. One of them was a Croat Tito, who was involved in the famous Cerska battle, the first Serbian and the first ally’s win against Austro-Germans. Since this time, he hated Serbs. Cominterna in Dresden 1928 decided to destroy Serbian corpus and this policy was executed in the following decades up to today. It is still unclear why Jews were so against Serbs, during the communist years (Cominterna) and up to today when all Jewish media in US and Soros organisations created a false picture about happenings in the Balkan including bombing of Serbia when 90% of Clinton administration were Jews. At the beginning of the 21st century, in the middle of Europe, about 1000 Nato aircrafts bombed for 3 months the area 600x400km with depleted uranium. Maybe some other moron could conclude that Serbs also had a ‘major role’ in their own bombardment because they tried in their ‘lust for domination’ to destroy Nato on their own when Russia was on the brink of destruction under a drunkard Yeltsin.

  67. Mackie says:

    This article by Thomas Dalton is basically a re-hashed version of an article by David Goldman, a jew, who has attacked Jasenovac, in order for Jasenovac “not to be equated with Auschwitz.”
    https://thegoldmanreport.org/blog/the-goldman-reports-direct-response-to-yad-vashems-press-release-dated-25821

    Maybe he feels that the only victims of WWII holocaust can be Jews…?

    Btw Serbia has recently reneged on recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Could this explain the timing of this attack by Goldman… ?

    As for the issue of human remains, unlike all other concentration camps, run by Nazi Germany, which were thoroughly examined, Jasenovac, due to the creation of Yugoslavia and in view of renewed Serb-Croat relations, was largely cleaned up.

  68. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jesus, we get it already: you’re a believer in good standing of the official narrative. You can stop posturing now.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  69. CroX says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Tudjman’s estimate of 30-40k was maximum, and probably much lower (multiple epidemics, poor nutrition, unhygienic and generally inadequate
    conditions, executions).

    the number of 83k is a product of Slavko Goldstein (Ivo Goldstein’s father). The last 20 years of his life in independent Croatia (in which ridiculous exaggerations of Jasenovac victim numbers were no longer a state-sanctioned policy and therefore no longer possible to abuse them) he took Tudjman’s maximum estimations and systematically pumped them trying to reach six figures).

    A team from the Jasenovac Memorial Center also got involved in his game, trying to give seriousness and scientificity so they invented a “list of victims” of Jasenovac, collecting names from literally everywhere.

    The list includes:
    1) people who died a natural death during the war or died of other causes;

    2) people who were killed or executed in other locations or members of their families who have nothing to do with Jasenovac;

    3) people who fought on the side of the Axis forces or members of their families;

    4) people who survived the war;

    The absolute highlight is: listing the names of people who died in the 60s in traffic accidents on the Zagreb-Belgrade highway!

    “Hrvatski list” (No. 854, February 4, 2021) published a study by two mathematicians who developed a computer analysis of names and other data and compared it with other similar databases. Result: The Jasenovac census deviates extremely from other analyzes by a similar team. The list is full of “clones”, ie several similar names that differ in, for example, only one letter or have no other information about the victims, data sources for them, etc.

    Most victims are still considered as suspicious today, even after being included in “official list”.

    The final result of the research is: 89% of the names on the list are dubious and more than 10% are false.

    The article was published in the international IEEE Access scientific journal in the STEM field. (“TVOR: Finding Discrete Total Variation Outliers Among Histograms”)
    https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9306761
    https://tvor.hr
    Code is on GitHub.

    In the same issue of the same magazine was an interview with an old Zagreb Jewish businessman whose 6 family members were on that “official” list: in reality, all six of them died after the war. There was even a photo of their crypt with REAL years of death.

    This whole thing concerns me privately as well: my father, searching the origins of our family on the Internet, discovered that his grandfather, my great-grandfather, was also on that “famous” list. In reality, he was not “killed in Jasenovac”, but died as an old pensioner in the American bombing of his city in 1944.

    Concerning the number of Jews killed in the NDH: It is not 60k. Official estimates for the whole of Yugoslavia range from 55-58k (source is wikipedia.sh created by the de facto alliance of all Ex-YU Anti-Fa). Approximately one-third of this official number falls on the NDH, which covered cca 35-40% of the ex-Yugoslav population (all ethnicities and territories).

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Mackie
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  70. kikl says:

    Thanks for this brilliant piece of writing and research Mr. Dalton.

    We should try to heat up the flames of strife between Australian journalist named DAVID GOLDMAN and the historian and the acting director of the Museum of Genocide Victims in Belgrade, DEJAN RISTIC.

    Let me quote the major arguments against Mr. Goldman’s point of view.

    1. “Shame on those who seek to revise history of the Holocaust
    2. “disgraceful mockery
    3. ” revisionist article
    4. “deny this tragic historical fact

    These are just the first two lines. The author is spuming with rage. He is making a fool of himself.

    In a series of problematic information contained in that revisionist review, we first point to the statement about forensic research conducted in Yugoslavia, which allegedly determined that the total number of Jasenovac victims was between 2,500 and 4,500, which is an absolute and shameful untruth.

    O.K. so what is the number of corpses they really discovered?

    Above all, no exhumations were performed in 1947 and 1948.
    During 1946, four graves near the Uskocka forests were excavated in which 967 remains were found (311 men, 467 women and 189 children)….It is also indicative that this article misses the opportunity to mention the actual forensic research conducted during 1964 by a commission of experts composed of Alojz Šercelj, Vida Brodar, Anton Pogacnik and Srboljub Živanovic. This research resulted in the discovery of the remains of a total of 284 victims in 7 probes (of which 197 were in one grave).

    967+284 = 1251 << between 2,500 and 4,500

    In reality "DAVID GOLDMAN" is accused of exaggerating the number of victims, right? Wrong!

    "Following the ridiculous, pseudo-scientific, anti-civilization and shameful logic which in this revisionist article denies the number of victims in Jasenovac solely on the grounds that there are no adequate forensic data (except for 2,500 to 4,500 victims, as the author falsely claims), we could ask a question as to whether it is possible to deny in the same way the number of 1,200,000 to 1,500,000 killed in Auschwitz since there is no forensic evidence for that claim either?"

    The obvious answer to his question is: Yes! This is indeed possible!

    No forensic data for Auschwitz? What was "The Jerusalem Post" thinking, when it published these articles? Were they thinking at all?

    Both antisemites and Jews usually tend to believe that Jews are exceedingly smart. DAVID GOLDMAN, DEJAN RISTIC and "THE JERUSALEM POST" proved these antisemites and Jews wrong.

  71. saggy says: • Website

    This article is preposterous

    If, on the other hand, Jews were 15% of, say, 3,000 fatalities, it would mean an utterly inconsequential 400 or 500 deaths. Much is at stake.

    Quibbling about numbers is utter nonsense, playing the Jews game. The reality is this, the number of Jews that died in the camps for being Jews is zero. There is not a shred of evidence that a single Jew was killed in a camp for being a Jew, i.e. if a Jew tried to escape he would be shot I presume, as would anyone else, so Jews may have been killed for trying to escape, but not for being a Jew. Futher, it is thoroughly documented that the Nazis aggressively investigated in crimes in the camp. There was a special investigator/prosecutor, Judge Konrad Morgen, who conducted over 800 investigations of camp personell and brought to trial over 200, including camp commandants, two of whom were executed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

  72. @Priss Factor

    The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost…

  73. @Ricardo Klement

    Ha Ha,

    What sort of a gobshite thinks that a statement or two from them constitutes engagement in a real discussion.

  74. Walter says:

    The war was the holocaust, murdering Jews was a part of the holocaust, but even at “6 Million” the “special Jewish holocaust” was less that 10% of the total. It is the Soviets, and the Chinese that have a far more valid claim to being victims.

    Since wealthy zionist forces curated the nazi rise to power and advocated for forced removal of Jews with a fascist’s eye to Palestine being repopulated with European Jews, some might think that their little game went further than they intended – thus their best tactic is to blame the criminal they themselves curated into “life” – seen that way the Jewish holocaust and indeed the second world war overall is a deflection away from their own guilt.

    Of course there were contributing agencies in UK and DC and in some fascist European States, and thus the guilt of the zionist agency is shared by many. The blame is quite wide.

  75. Anonimko says:

    The total number of people killed during the ww2 in Yugoslavia was about 1.7 million. The most of them were Serbs. What we can see here? Almost the whole World knows about Ustashas and Croats, who still 95% approve the genocide conducted on Serbs. Some here, who hate Jews are trying to accompany Serbs with them. They assert that it did not exist the genocide conducted on Jews so, it was not conducted Serbs, either. Ustasha’s massacres were the bottom of human civilisation and ALL Croats support this. Let see if we see ONE Croat here who would denounce Ustasha massacres – massacres that disgust all civilized people in the world.

    Text:

    https://www.neweurope.eu/article/jasenovac-the-forgotten-extermination-camp-of-the-balkans/

    Text:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

    Some photos:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jasenovac+slike&rlz=1C1GCEA_enAU802AU802&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Ie1Q-M9z1wdoYM%252C_SF6d_UE6WaaNM%252C_%253BDlA-YTkW1sfe4M%252CfwVsG5lYR5XM0M%252C_%253Bd98C3hYKmTT7PM%252CA6iq_7mNg7mSYM%252C_%253BTbaXszsylwt3PM%252CA6iq_7mNg7mSYM%252C_%253B9bTxfCBFVdRwWM%252CTUhM_alreYXQWM%252C_%253BAmqW-DPjBKCi0M%252C_SF6d_UE6WaaNM%252C_%253BhhXLuCDvpOnIqM%252Cb_wOrq7BPTXzpM%252C_%253BvbonK9YtL6tiFM%252Cgrb5puH_Zd_-MM%252C_%253Bq6uLkDw6Pukj6M%252CTUhM_alreYXQWM%252C_%253Bf4vvk9TqOVB8oM%252CgS8Eg8gNcBY8tM%252C_%253B7of7TpGUJ26iMM%252C3HR9VvbV1zGBxM%252C_%253Biafc6yAPCtp-mM%252ChvsGz6p_KNEDmM%252C_%253ByMEdpTlF1ZA4sM%252C0td77OXRZnYrnM%252C_%253Bf3ZnfHGPkM_4SM%252CTUhM_alreYXQWM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTPjOGJaFF1Ck7V1a-h1hjb9QjsWQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwik2MmJwtHzAhWUWX0KHYnOBYoQ9QF6BAgGEAE#imgrc=DvKw92Qtjw1UJM

    Some photos:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ustaski+zlocini+nad+srbima&rlz=1C1GCEA_enAU802AU802&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=g2k7HIX2Ux9vnM%252CLnS2DmokdD2HYM%252C_%253B144EXYgiVfEPAM%252Ce9e0tFZJ1GVMTM%252C_%253BpV5qF5Q7-tCgoM%252CuY_iIFT9AG4OPM%252C_%253BljFXMCQUNdzRyM%252CHyA6cmsq7-WgnM%252C_%253Bx_IcaDeCqVxERM%252C_H6YMpVLa2GbZM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQUBok8uBxnprqd55unqp6fkXKOCQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9x4TrwtHzAhXFdCsKHXreABsQ9QF6BAgHEAE#imgrc=g2k7HIX2Ux9vnM

    Some photos:

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/jasenovac-photographs

  76. anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    One quip footnoted in Nicholas Kellerstrom’s Breaking the Spell goes something like, “After the war, millions more Jews than lived in Germany and the occupied territories during the war applied for reparations. Tragically, the other six million were lost.”

    Some years ago when I was having dinner at a friend’s, his Jewish wife brought up the Holocaust and I pointed out that the official plaque at Auschwitz had been reduced by millions and that the legal principle falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus applied to the horror myths like lampshades and soap like no other falsified testimony in history. She furiously got on her iPad, did some searching, and then looked up at me and said in regard to Auschwitz, You’re right.

    Given the undeniable moral edification that can be drawn from the horrors aimed at Jews during the war, nonetheless, what’s so diabolically ironic is that Jews have fabricated these myths of Nazi atrocities while worse were inflicted on tens of millions of Russians by Jews in their capacity as the vanguard of communism. Even granting the Holocaust numbers, those Jews who served as the vanguard of communist regimes are an order of magnitude the worst mass murderers in human history.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  77. Mackie says:
    @CroX

    During the Armenian genocide many died of thirst, and exposure…
    It’s still considered genocide, or are the Zionists denying that genocide too?

    • Replies: @Bookish1
    , @Avery
  78. Mackie says:
    @LeoB

    Exactly!

    Also the case with the Armenian genocide which was mostly proven demographically ie population loss, not forensically…

    • Replies: @Bookish1
    , @Avery
  79. Anonimko says:

    Mr ISRAEL SHAMIR, could you please make a brief comment related to this topic? Thank you.

  80. Mackie says:
    @papers

    The Caribbean Indians were decimated by the British. No remains. Men, women, children were killed and thrown into the sea. Evidence of that genocide is revealed by their catastrophic demographic decline.

    What happened to the Orthodox population in Croatia?

    Also did European Jewry undergo a similar population decline?

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  81. I find it interesting that we have so much disagreement and so much zealousness of position concerning what happened 70 odd years ago and on the same site we have an article titled: What Really Happened at Charlottesville (Parts 1 & 2)

    If we can’t be sure of what really happened during an incident just recently, how is it that there can be such cock sure belief in what happened decades ago? All gov’ts lie and that becomes history; aged propaganda.

    The only reason the jew holocaust story has any traction is because you folks give it life. I don’t care what happened before I was born and the truth of the jew story, one way or the other, is of no concern to me. Why do you people keep breathing life into their hoax by endlessly propelling it into recent memory and thus keeping the story alive?

    Let it go and it will finally fade into obscurity.

  82. @beavertales

    Didn’t the holocaust lie start with the Soviets? Would the Russian Federation willingly take on their past and their sizeable Jewish population? Hope you are right, but very skeptical.

  83. How did I miss the bone cruncher element of this story? My collie is one. She could never eat 6 million.

    I’ll confess to never have giving the holocaust a second thought until I read David Irving’s Hitler’s War. When your country is running on fumes while being attacked on multiple fronts, you simply don’t use valuable resources killing prisoners. More likely you would forget all about them.

    Shortly after reading the book the freedom of speech war was mounted by Holocaust Inc and the ADL. Why bother with one if you have the facts on your side? Calling people names also seems like an admittance to not actually having either facts or an argument. Now little old me is a full fledged skeptic. Picking away at the entire WWII narrative from every which way might be the way to go to untie the Holocaust noose.

    For the record, I’m starting to soften on Hitler. Damn you ADL for that one.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  84. Anonimko says:
    @Mackie

    Professor Dr. Gideon Greif, chief researcher at the Holocaust Institute Shem Olam in Israel, has revealed information about the victims of torture in Jasenovac.

    Jasenovac was a death camp in Croatia for Serbs, Jews, and Roma, set up and operated by the Ustasha regime of the Nazi-allied Independent State of Croatia (NDH) during the Second World War.

    Based on information he received during his four-year work on a study entitled, “Jasenovac, the Auschwitz of the Balkans,” Greif said that at least 800,000 Serbs and about 40,000 Jews had been killed in Jasenovac in the most brutal manner. “Jasenovac was the empire of death,” Greif points out, adding that revisionism represents a second murder of the victims.

    “We must direct all our forces against revisionism, so that the victims would not become victims again. Facts are facts and we cannot sweep them under the rug, the truth always comes out. I consider all these attempts to revise history to be childish, they are all condemned to failure,” he stressed.

    In Jasenovac, Greif continued, there were “57 different ways of killing the victims.”

    “I am sure that there weren’t as many in Auschwitz. It’s a world record. There has not been something of the kind in the history of the humankind,” he said, adding that there should be no doubt about the number of the (overall) victims, and recalling that an investigation by a joint Croatian-Serbian commission showed that this number was 1.4 million.

    Greif said he had devoted four years to his research and that there was is not a single archive that he has not studied. “The results are shocking for their cruelty, sadism… The chain of camps known as Jasenovac, located on 46 square kilometers, six times larger than Auschwitz, was actually a reflection of pure cruelty. The Ustashas enjoyed their cruelty, they enjoyed torturing people. I would say that they had perfected the death,” said Greif.

    As for the differences between Jasenovac and Auschwitz, he said that the (German) National Socialists didn’t like to have their victims before their eyes, they liked “clean deaths” – whereas the Ustashas enjoyed feeling the suffering of their victims.

    “There is a difference, they wanted to see the process of the dying of the victims. We can see that from the photographs taken in Jasenovac, while the Germans preferred gas chambers, which, if nothing else, you didn’t have to look at. It was, so to speak, a sterile death,” said Greif.

    According to him, another difference is that the Germans, in addition to the humiliation and the torture meant for their victims – actually used their physical labour, while in Jasenovac, the suffering was the only purpose – the suffering of the victims, until their very death.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Colin Wright
  85. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anonymous

    Indeed.

    From 4 million to 1 million is an enormous reduction, but the death records at Auschwitz-Birkenau indicate a total of something like 67,000 deaths there- of all causes. It is possible that there may have been some unrecorded fatalities, but the lack of any traces of human remains and the fact that the crematory muffles or retorts were never replaced indicates a 150,000 or so maximum death toll there. More Catholic Poles died at the camp than Jews.

    The 6 million figure is pure Hollywood style Jewish exaggeration. The Talmud is replete with absurdities of this nature, e.g., the claim that in some small town the Romans murdered 600 million or so Jews by burning them wrapped in Torah scrolls.

    During the Second World War, the Jews, as a people or a collective, almost certainly suffered less than their gentile counterparts, i.e. Germans, Russians, Balkans, etc. Probably more Jews were killed by Anglo-American air forces strafing and bombing refugee columns or in Allied air raids than by any so called “holocaust.” Incidentally, the term “holocaust” refers to a sacrifice consumed entirely by fire- a burnt offering- so it would more appropriately be applied to the incendiary bombings of Dresden and Tokyo, or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  86. @Verymuchalive

    You have called it a myth. It is better described as a fable – a fictitious narrative or story. Admittedly, there are some truthful elements or details, but all completely subsumed in a fictitious narrative.

    The Old Testament is full of them. Jack and the Beanstalk and Alice in Wonderland could just have easily ended up there.

    Things change for most people, but right up to the present day, Jews have a penchant for telling tall tales they expect people to believe, without question.

  87. Bookish1 says:
    @RoatanBill

    Why do we breathe life into the holocaust story? Because that is the main thing keeping whites down. If we can prove it to be a lie (which it is) we can gain our self respect back and watch our number one enemy fall from power.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  88. @CroX

    I know a lot about the issue, just I don’t think that most people here would be interested in it, because for them Jews are an interesting group, while Serbs- and Gypsies even more- of marginal interest.

    So:

    * Tuđman gave a max 40,000 figure & I am inclined to agree with him. I’ve read the most important memoirs (Ante Ciliga, Egon Berger, Đorđe Miliša,…) & there is much truth in them, although they contradict one another re. some issues

    * official Yugoslav historiography number was first 600,000, then 700,000, and then at the end of SFRJ Serbs pumped it up to 1,000,000 or 1,500,000. Now they’re trying to revive old horror stories through paid ex-Yad Vashem historian Gideon Greif, but this is complete nonsense (the guy doesn’t know Croatian and Serbian and didn’t do any archival work- pure agitprop)

    * the figure published by Bosnian Institute from Zurich, Adil Zulfikašašić’s party, is ca. 50,000 or more, but, as I recall, that’s about the number of registered people who passed through the CC, not those who died/were killed

    * TVOR is a strong argument, but there is a newer work by some American Croatian guy who tries to show it’s inadequate or (mostly) wrong. This is his work, and my opinion is- let’s wait & see: first, TVOR: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.11574.pdf; then, a critique: https://mornik.web.illinois.edu/wp-content/uploads/O21.pdf A cynic could object- and what if USHMM content is wrong, too?

    * at the end of SFRJ, Vladimir Žerjavić came to the ca. 50,000 figure for Jasenovac and 55,000 figure for Bleiburg. So, that could be “even”. But, under pressure from Slavko Goldstein, he pumped up the Jasenovac figure to ca. 80-85,000, in order to accommodate local Jewish figures. Now, Goldstein jr. is trying to pump it over 100,000, let’s say to 120,000 or so. Just, excavations have shown that NDH forces & their families who were killed from Slovenia to Macedonia, and mostly in Croatia and Slovenia, are from 85,000 to 140,000 or more. Most excavations have been stopped, politically, in the name of “anti-fascism”.

    * what is, in my opinion, decisive are censuses. When analyzed dispassionately, those from 1931 and 1948 show that there are ca. 3,500 to 14,000 less Croats, in absolute numbers (and Yugoslavia had added Istria, Rijeka and 5 islands with Croatian population only), and 700,000 more Serbs (for Jews I didn’t follow the issue). Montenegrin historian Đorđe Borozan and Croatian demographer came to virtually the same conclusion: Šterc – https://www.hkv.hr/hrvatski-tjednik/26281-s-sterc-velikosrpska-statistika-stradanja-na-koljenima.html, Borozan :

    * as regards newer Croatian investigations, Igor Vukić should be taken into account, as well as Blanka Matković; Stjepan Razum is not to be taken seriously; Ljeljak- so-so; while Goldstein is unmasked.

    The best literature is, in English and Croatian, authored by Vladimir Geiger:

    https://hrcak.srce.hr/242114

    What is the purpose of Razum [Sanity]? On Dr. Stjepan Razum’s comment on my review of the book Jasenovac by Professor Ivo Goldstein, PhD, published in Časopis za suvremenu povijest [Journal of Contemporary History] 51 (2019), no. 1

    https://hrcak.srce.hr/242113

    Ivo Goldstein, Jasenovac (Zaprešić; Jasenovac: Fraktura; Public Institution Memorial Area Jasenovac, 2018) 958 pp., [32 pp.] with tables: illus., geographical maps; 24 cm

    https://hrcak.srce.hr/138629

    NUMERICAL INDICATORS OF THE VICTIMS OF THE JASENOVAC CAMP, 1941-1945 (ESTIMATES, CALCULATIONS, LISTS)

    http://historiografija.hr/?p=20204

    Vladimir Geiger – U povodu 10. travnja ili kako je Roman Leljak došao do „otkrića” o ukupnom broju jasenovačkih logoraša – 18.600 i ukupnom broju žrtava logora Jasenovac – 1654?

    So- how many people perished there?

    I don’t know, but I think it’s much more than 5,000, and perhaps somewhere between 20,000 and 40,000.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  89. Bookish1 says:
    @Mackie

    problems with that population loss argument. Who kept records of the number of armenians that existed vs deaths? Anyone can say anything about anything and without proof of anything nothing is to be believed.

    • Replies: @Mackie
  90. Maddaugh says:

    Jasenovac: the Latest Holocaust Embarrassment

    Do we need yet another Holohoax “Embarrassment” to convince us this tale of woe is utter bullshit ? The whole topic is so fucking boring as it is. I could give a shit what happened to Floyd or some half blind Palestinian just recently much less a bunch of Jews in the ’40’s.

    To do list:

    1. Convert to Jewism and claim lifetime benefits for all eternity.
    2. Check for African blood and join the payout for the coming reparations.

    At this rate of payouts for this and that victim group, we wont need to stock up on toilet paper for the next Covid variant lockdown. We can just use US currency to wipe our asses.

  91. @Weaver

    If only it were that easy. There’s many powerful groups that have no interest in ever letting the truth be known. Even so, there’s probably books/video series out there that come fairly close to telling the whole story of WW2.

    Let’s ask the UNZ readership: in your opinion, what is the most truthful book/video series on WW2?

    • Thanks: Weaver
    • Replies: @Weaver
  92. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    “It is well known who prepared the ww1 and who had interest to start this war.”

    LOL. It sure is. Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand, who were sponsored by Russia and the Tsar who wanted to gain control of the Dardanelles, assassinated the arch duke of Austria as a deliberate provocation. Of course Serbia wanted to create greater Serbia and Pan-Slavia, which is precisely the reward given to them at Versailles, which was the “Kingdom of Yugoslavia” with a Serbian King.

    In WWII On 25 March 1941, Yugoslavia signed the Tripartite Pact with the Axis powers.

    Mass popular demonstrations against the accession of Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact that followed the coup of March 27th, 1941 were organized by the Yugoslav communists, ie. by illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia (the CPY).

    Serbian officers, many of them Soviet stooges and the rest of them agents of the British, staged a coup in order to help the globalists kick off WWII.

    I would say that both of those two actions by war mongering Serbians qualify as “played a major role in the outbreak of both World Wars for Judea”.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  93. Bookish1 says:
    @Mackie

    Jews will at least deny that Jews had anything to do with it. But I heard ‘what’s his name’ was a donma jew.

  94. Anonimko says:

    Croatian historian Ivo GOLDSTEIN: Croatian historical revisionism rewrites the history of Jasenovac. In Gradina, on the right bank of the Sava, where corpses were mostly killed and buried during the war, in April 1945, a kind of grate was made on which corpses were placed and poured with oil. 500 people worked on it. For days, Jasenovac detainees from the left bank watched large bonfires on the other bank. ”

    Goldstein stated that there are strong indications that behind the controversial text about Jasenovac, which was published in the “Jerusalem Post”, officially signed with “David Goldman”, who seems to be a fictional person, there is a circle connected with historian Blanka Matkovic.

    – The questions that the so-called David Goldman asks and the text he signs in general are topics that Croatian revisionists impose when they try to say something about Jasenovac. There are strong indications that this is a circle connected with the historian Blanka Matković – Goldstein said, adding that Goldman is allegedly an Australian, about whom no one in the Jewish community there knows, that there is no address, no email, no phone number on his website.

    – No one has ever seen that man live or on the Internet in the last year and a half, since the beginning of the pandemic. After all, that page with Goldman has only been around since the spring of 2020. So, 99.9 percent is a fictional profile.

    The Jerusalem Post apologized to Goldstein for the mentioned article in which he was attacked and insulted for dealing with the victims in Jasenovac, that is, for endangering the memories of the Holocaust with some of his statements.

    – I concluded from everything that an editorial oversight happened to them: it was a time of vacations, there were fewer people in the editorial office, it was also a weekend, a column called “Opinions editor” had to be filled out. The person in charge of the column who received the text saw that he was writing the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, let him go, and when the people in charge came to work the next day, they grabbed their heads. That person is no longer doing that job.

  95. Avery says:
    @Mackie

    { or are the Zionists denying that genocide too?}

    Yes, they are, in a roundabout way.

    For decades, Jewish organizations* have worked hand-in-glove with denialist Turks to deny the Armenian Genocide. Most notoriously here in the US the fascist, hypocrite ADL worked for decades to prevent passage of AG resolution in US Congress. Congress finally passed it recently, but the damage was done. And ADL still will not acknowledge the AG.

    Really disgusting, vile scum.

    ______________________
    * notwithstanding the efforts of many brave, righteous Jews who condemn the efforts of their kin both here in US, outside US, and Israel.

  96. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Germany_and_partisans/resistance_movements#Partisan_atrocities_in_Yugoslavia

    The Communist Tito in Yugoslavia ordered partisans “(…to take of all identification badges, to hide the weapons and dress in German uniforms. In the Jastrebac Mountains 80% of the partisans wore German, the rest Bulgarian uniforms. Radio messages were intercepted recording the killing of German soldiers as ‘butchered’.)

    Again and again bodies of German soldiers were found with their eyes popped out, genitals cut off, heads split, and naked – almost impossible to identify (p. 40). The Red Cross emblem was no guarantee for safety, Persons wearing the Red Cross, buildings, trucks and trains marked with it were even singled out as targets, forcing the authorities to decrease the size of the emblem (p. 41). The armed forces compiled a whole collection of photos and reports of atrocities and handed them to representatives of the IRC (International Red Cross; p. 44).

    All of this was ignored at the IMT. On August 21, 1946 defense attorney Dr. Laternser presented evidence of the partisan tactics, pointing out that those illegal acts were the reason for German reprisals and that it was not the Germans who engaged in illicit warfare.”

    We know all about Jewish lies about the holofraud. Masturbation death machines, brain bashing bicycle machines, roller coaster gas chamber rides, and on and on. Jews lie, just like you. Hmmm, maybe there is some correlation here.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  97. @Anonimko

    ‘Based on information he received during his four-year work on a study entitled, “Jasenovac, the Auschwitz of the Balkans,” Greif said that at least 800,000 Serbs and about 40,000 Jews had been killed in Jasenovac in the most brutal manner. “Jasenovac was the empire of death,” Greif points out, adding that revisionism represents a second murder of the victims.’

    This just strikes me as improbable.

    First off, total war time deaths for Yugoslavia — for all sides and all groups, from all causes — is estimated at 1.75 million.

    Half of those died at Jasenovac? I doubt it. This would be like claiming twenty million were killed at Auschwitz.

    Second, the Ustache state was a new regime in a small and relatively backward country. Would they have organized such a vast and regimented killing operation as this implies?

    For what it’s worth, I would guess the Ustache killed most of their victims in place. I really can’t see these vast, docile columns of Serbs wending their way across the countryside to the vast, methodical slaughterhouse that Greif’s figures imply — and I can’t see the Croats running it.

    Then there’s the consideration that much of the ‘data’ we have are the fabrications of a Communist regime bent on discrediting its erstwhile rival.

    Eighty thousand is a more plausible figure than eight hundred thousand. I wouldn’t be startled to learn the true figure was eight thousand — although I doubt we will ever learn the true figure. It’s perfectly possible nobody ever knew it.

    However, if I had to guess: more than five thousand but less than a hundred thousand.

    ‘Professor Dr. Gideon Greif, chief researcher at the Holocaust Institute Shem Olam in Israel, has revealed information about the victims of torture in Jasenovac…’

    If the source is cited accurately, the figure of eight hundred thousand is nothing more than a comment on the usefulness and reliability of the Holocaust Institute as a source. ‘Professor Dr. Gideon Greif’ would be some species of charlatan.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  98. HT says:

    Arguments based on reason and logic disputing the Holocaust numbers are now largely irrelevant in our Orwellian culture. We have moved past reason being a factor in arguments because people have been conditioned to ignore it. Everything now is based on emotion and conditioning. You could have undisputed HD video evidence indicating the Holocaust was 95% overstated and no one would care now and the media would refuse to acknowledge it because the truth is not relevant to them either. In fact, if the media was convinced by evidence the Holocaust didn’t happen, they would double down on suppressing it.

  99. Avery says:
    @Mackie

    Agree.

    But there is voluminous documentation, eyewitness accounts by US missionaries, telegrams by Talat and other genocidal leaders to regional governors to carry out the AG,……,in addition to demographic deficit data. Turk author Taner Akçam, Ph.D. has published excellent documentation, including from Turkish archives.

    Nevertheless – as you write – the notion that just because there are no remains, therefore no genocide or crime was committed is absurd. Here in the US murder is proven and murderers jailed all the time based only on circumstantial evidence, even when a body is never found.
    Hoffa’s body was never found: how many people don’t accept he was murdered?

    And estimated 50-60 million people were killed during WW2, soldiers included: how many of those 50-60 million body remains were found, exhumed and identified?
    During the Dresden firebombing an estimated 25,000* German civilians were killed: was that estimate based on actual count of remains found and identified? Of course not: but it is widely accepted as accurate.

    The whole notion of “no remains not found, therefore…” is a deliberate misdirection to avoid responsibility for a crime or genocide.
    Disgusting.

    ___________________________
    * the number was about 100,000 killed at one time, but over the years it has been revised down: I don’t know by whom or why.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Mackie
    , @Nancy
  100. Mackie says:
    @Bookish1

    The numbers are there, Bookish.
    The population decline for Armenians, Caribs, Serbs are well documented…

    After looking into it for the Jews, didn’t David Irving wonder “if there was indeed a holocaust of 6 M Jews in Europe, then how come so many survived?”

    Any holocaust examination needs to focus on demographics not only on forensics (which is used for crimes of smaller scale).

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  101. Wild Bill says:
    @Verymuchalive

    You have a very clear view of the situation. The sad part is that people are supposed to learn from fables and they certainly have not in this case. The old con is just being replaced with the new one, but this time its for all the marbles. Premises like “just follow the science” and “everyone knows that” provide the illusion of a basis for judgment and then here we are again at “can you give me two tens for a five?” or “it will ensure your safety” from some imaginary threat.

  102. @John_H

    I have visited Holocaust museums in the United States, Denmark, Germany, Hungary, and a resistance museum in Poland. I have visited Auschwitz and Birkenau Camps with their displays of the Holocaust horrors.

    Sorry, but this is- funny.

    Some kind of horror tourism…

  103. Schuetze says:
    @Avery

    “The whole notion of “no remains not found, therefore…” is a deliberate misdirection to avoid responsibility for a crime or genocide.”

    LOL. Jews won’t even take responsibility when there are remains found providing direct proof of Jewish blood lust. Just take Katyn Forest as a very good example.

    But there is still a steady stream of remains being found in the former Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Jews of course will take no responsibility, just like they will take no responsibility for the nuking of Beruit. Daily we see Jews refusing to take responsibility for their ongoing genocide of Arabs in the Palestinian lands that they stole. Jews are murdering Palestinian children from behind massive concrete walls with US made high power sniper rifles, and yet even the best of the “good Jews” do nothing, refuse to take responsibility, and show no remorse what so ever. Jews are liars and thieves, the entire planet knows it now.

    Anyway, back to Yugoslavia, where remains of victims of Jewish communism keep being discovered. The problem for Jews here is that they are the remains of Slovenian, Croatian, Hungarian and Italian “collaborators” massacred by Jewish lead Serbian communist useful idiots from 1945-1950:

    Slovenia transfers mass grave remains of Nazi collaberators

    “Some 15,000 Croats and Slovenes executed for assisting Germans during WWII, often without trial, are believed buried in hundreds of sites”

    More Bodies Recovered from Post-WWII Mass Grave in Kočevski Rog

    4 August 2020 – In Kočevski Rog, a vast forest area riddled with chasms in the south-east of Slovenia, known for being a site of post WWII-executions, archaeologists have retrieved the remains of about 250 victims from a mass grave uncovered in May. Most of the victims were young men, mainly civilians, killed in the autumn of 1945.

    Jews and Goy Genocide. Like two peas in a pod.

    • Replies: @tomo
    , @Schuetze
  104. @Bookish1

    The main thing keeping whites, and other people, down is the concept of government with its idiotic rules manufactured by the sociopaths in the society commonly referred to as politicians. Gov’t provides the police and military muscle from the dolts in the society that are paid with the funds stolen from voters that agree to become victims of theft every election day. This gov’t is then up for grabs by those that have the most money to purchase the legislation they want.

    Get rid of the jews and maybe the christians will run things into the ground in a slightly different way with all their prohibitions. It is the mechanism that all cults use to achieve their ends and it is called government. Government is your problem.

    • Replies: @Realist
  105. Patricus says:
    @mephisto

    Talking with some younger people in their thirties I was surprised to note they are mostly dismissive of the Holocaust narrative. This is a generation who were periodically marched to Holocaust museums on school trips. They don’t buy it. In time the Holocaust story will be ignored and/or forgotten. How many remember the anti-German propaganda from WorldWar I? Fiendish Huns chopped off the hands of Belgian babies, or they would throw babies out of windows only to be speared on bayonets by savage Huns on the ground level. Of course the soap made from human fat came from that time. The propaganda ramped up few notches in World War II. Shrunken heads are a remarkable phenomenon for Europe. Gas chambers and bone grinding machines can not be supported by any material evidence. Pneumatic crushing machines and diesels of death show some active imagination for the time. The Soviet propaganda machine was working over time.

  106. @RoatanBill

    Jewish persons or organizations were major agitators of both events, WWII** and Charlottesville.

    _______
    ** “WWII” is actually a continuation of WWI. The whole affair — all the way to today’s destruction of Gaza (Palestine), Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and the zionist takeover of USA should be recorded in accurate history as the zionist war for world domination.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  107. tomo says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Apart from this bit:
    “…Serbia, of course, has an incentive to promote high numbers of victims, and especially high numbers of Serbs, because it enhances their victimhood status and promotes their nationalist agenda…”

    I am from and in Serbia – and I have never seen any evidence of Serbs trying to enhance our ‘victimhood’.
    The author obviously does not understand Serbian mentality – from what I have experienced with my fellow Serbs, victimhood is something almost embarrassing. Nothing to promote or emphasize – the attitude Serbs have is to move on and fight – not to ponder and milk the victimhood cow – as Jews do – we are in fact the exact opposite. I haven’t heard anyone complain about what Germans did to us in WW2 for decades. Or how they helped bomb Serbia more recently – we generally consider Germans as a nation – something to pity despite their money and whatever else they have.
    Serbs don’t do victimhood

  108. @Mackie

    Any holocaust examination needs to focus on demographics not only on forensics (which is used for crimes of smaller scale).

    My approach is to read and study the writings and activities of (predominantly) Jewish persons of influence in the era. It’s more fascinating than NYTimes best seller legal fiction.
    Just like Colombo/Perry Mason/John Grisham/Jack Reacher/Archer –the biographies-autobiographies of Weizmann, Wise, Churchill, Erich Mendelsohn and numerous others, they all end up fingering folks like Rabbi Stephen Wise, Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, Sam Untermyer & their sayanim & Shabbos goy.

    __
    Just finished a Dan Brown novel. If you want to know what zealous zionist Jews are hearing in their closed-door meeting rooms, read Brown (Brown’s novel Origin = Jews still butt-hurt over failing to defeat Franco), or Daniel Silva, or Steve Berry, even Baldacci gets Best Seller status only if he bashes Nazis at least three times.

  109. tomo says:
    @Schuetze

    “…Jews of course will take no responsibility..”

    no surprise here – all psychopaths in the world are that way.
    their whole identity/’religion’/ ‘culture’ is basically a Psychopath Support Group

    I have a degree in psychology and after I read that book Jewish History Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years – that became obvious to me.
    It’s a group structured exactly like a psychopath – no conscience, predatory, hidden agenda, no concept of good faith, extreme evil and no mercy- with a lot of fake charm. lying, pretending to be nice, cultured, compassionate and everything else they are not – so to confuse and disarm their victims and lots of staging and propaganda. No mercy – pure evil

    • Thanks: Zumbuddi
  110. tomo says:
    @Schuetze

    I am in Serbia – nobody here mentions of gives a fuck about Tito
    I wonder if younger generations even know who he is – they probably do – but I have not heard him mentioned in decades

    PS you are right about his accent – he never sounded like a Serb or a Croat – it was a very strange accent

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  111. Weaver says:
    @Rooster111

    There seems to be “new” info from Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years, who seems honest. That needs to be harmonized, and any reliable evidence from Russia. In the US, I had always assumed the Bolsheviks were entirely dominated by Jews, even that Stalin was possibly Jewish or his wives such. While they were dominant at one time, they weren’t fully dominant. It’s more nuanced than I expected. Obviously, there’s need for linking Jews to any mass murders they performed. Solzhenitsyn does this, but he also blames Stalin. The Armenian Holocaust is another that might be Jewish performed. South African Jews, Mao’s Jewish advisors. They were important.

    We need Russians and Germans to develop an accurate history, if possible. Nationalists from each group.

    Unz has an article up I missed or missed part of. I might need to read that. Anyway, you see what I mean. It might even be too late to save Europe in the sense we hope. But the Holocaust story is what’s killing whites in the world. Some book painting an honest history of what was really done and by whom is needed. I think we have the source material.

    If you’ve read any of Pat Buchanan’s books, most of the early ones aren’t well researched. They are well written. It might just be a case of “standing on the shoulders of giants” in a sense. Pat wrote excellent, necessary, useful books. But they weren’t like a David Irving book in research. He just filled gaps with solid writing.

    • Replies: @Rooster111
  112. @SolontoCroesus

    Arguing over past events really serves no purpose. After decades, the JFK assassination is still a ridiculous story as is the 911 fiasco. Nothing ever seems to get reexamined because TPTsB are in charge and bitching and moaning over it has never led to an enlightenment among the masses. As long as gov’t controls what happens, their crimes will forever be off limits.

    We have Hunter Biden’s laptop. What has happened since the contents were hinted at – nothing. He’s now an artist making a fortune using paintings as a ruse for the continued corruption that includes the president of the country and this is common knowledge. Still nothing happens.

    As long as history is written by gov’t, history will always be untrustworthy aged propaganda. You want truth to prevail? Get rid of gov’t, the pinnacle of evil in the world.

  113. Agent76 says:

    September 13th, 2021 THE REAL CRIMINALS WERE NEVER TRIED AT THE NUREMBERG TRIALS SO DON’T EXPECT NUREMBERG 2.0



    Video Link

    • LOL: Schuetze
  114. Schuetze says:
    @tomo

    “nobody here mentions of gives a fuck about Tito”

    Well perhaps they should. I certainly know lots about Roosevelt and Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Hitler, and yes, I know a little about Tito too.

    The break up of Yugoslavia in 1990 and the extraction of Kosovo from Serbia were all part of a the same long term plan that spans from the Protocols of Zion to the current Plandemic and off into the future. Serbians, renowned for their courage and fighting ability, could be a critical component in the global awakening and global liberation. Or they can continue hating Nazis and Fascists and believing in “western democracy”, and continue being tools to the Judaic tribe. Hungary is showing the way, and by all appearances Hungary is willing to let Serbian war crimes against Hungarians be bygone.

    Poland and Russia, and to a lesser degree Serbia, must get past the victimhood propaganda about WWII pushed by the Judaic media. Poland, Russia and Serbia need to set Germany free from their Holohoax “guilt”, and all of Europe must be allowed to finally identify their tormenters: The Jew. Poland holds the key through the control of the “concentration camps” where the supposed gas chambers were supposedly located.

    As long as Poles, Russians, and Serbs continue obsessing about “Nazi” this and “Nazi” that, the Jew will have the bludgeon to beat Germany and all of Christian Europe with. It is really that simple. And until Poland, Russia and Serbia wake up and recognize this reality, I will focus on their war crimes like a laser beam.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  115. @RoatanBill

    Earlier today I wrote that FL gov. DeSantis signed legislation requiring teaching holocaust in FL schools.

    Children’s minds are easily damaged (“15 years is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the ideology of the enemy . . . for 3 generations Marxist-Lenist ideology is being pumped into the minds of students, without being challenged . . . or counterbalanced.”)

    To “get rid of government” you’re going to need the support of a whole lot of people, and it’s going to take a whole lot of time.
    Kids who are being taught TODAY that Jews are the world’s chia pet, requiring perpetual watering and tender care because just before a Jew was born his mother was turned into a bar of soap — THEY are the people you will have to convince to “get rid of gov’t, the pinnacle of evil in the world.”

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  116. Quizzler says:
    @RoatanBill

    Rarely comment but RoatanBill I agree with you. I brought my sons up to do what they feel is right but I also told them that in my lifetime(I am 66) that the majority of people I have known in my life are weak and fragile. Why people believe in religion especially is a mystery to me, for me it is like everything else I have experienced, it is of course man made. But people are as you say, the majority need to be told what to do, when to do it but somehow think they are “free” to do what they like…..we are not. Someone, some group will always control. I like this site because many commenters on here have something to actually say though mainstream media here in the U.S. (especially) consider almost everything discussed here a conspiracy. If any doubt that go to mainstream media outlets that still allow comments….the purely ignorant, non critical thinkers are there in abundance. All 10 IQ points that they have are on display….though I do not need medication it seriously makes me think maybe I do need an anti-depressant. I come away sad that so many feel no need to question what they are being told but feel they are 100% correct in their “beliefs”.

  117. niceland says:

    If there was no holocaust – what’s this?

    [handwritten date]: February 26, 1942

    [letterhead]: Head of the Security Police and SD

    IV B 4 – 1456/41 gRs 1344

    Undersecretary of State Luther!

    Foreign Office

    Berlin W 8

    Wilhemstr. 74/76

    Dear Fellow Party Member [Parteigenosse] Luther!

    Enclosed I am sending you the minutes of the proceedings that took place on January 20,1942. Since the basic position regarding the practical execution of the final solution of the Jewish question has fortunately been established by now, and since there is a full agreement on the part of all agencies involved. I would like to ask you at the request of the Reich Marshal to make one of your specialist officials available for the necessary discussion of details in connection with the completion of the draft that shows the organizational, technical and material prerequisites bearing on the actual starting point of the projected solutions.

    I want to schedule the first discussion along these lines for 10:30 a.m. on March 6, 1942 at 116 Kurfürstenstrasse, Berlin. I therefore ask you that for this purpose your specialist official contact my functionary in charge there, SS-Obersturmbannführer Eichmann.

    Heil Hitler!

    Yours
    [handwritten signature]: Heydrich

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Marcali
  118. As usual, emotional confusion & a sort of mass hysteria here.

    1. there is no doubt, for anyone of sane mind, that Jews had been exterminated en masse in Europe during WW2 on a large scale. How many of them, I don’t know, but I guess it’s somewhere between 4 M and 6 M. A few gory stories had been debunked as anti-German propaganda, but it is relatively easy to ascertain they were truly victims of a genocide. Just look at the census data of various European countries before and after WW2 & you’ll see that a huge number of them are missing. The usual trope that they somehow “evade” being “numbered” is silly. No big group of people can hide from the 1920s to the 1950s. Some of them got to the US, some to Palestine, some…. but millions of them perished. They were targeted as a group because of Hitler’s fixation.

    No Hitler, no Shoah.

    No Shoah, no Israel.

    If one takes into account that many famous Jews or people who knew or had connections with Jews had victims among close relatives or friends (Freud’s and Kafka’s sisters perished in CC, as well as Chekhov’s fiance, a woman in her 80s who was murdered in a gas van; great mathematician Felix Hausdorff committed suicide to avoid deportation to Theresienburg..)- then, this all holo-denial stuff becomes tasteless & repellent. What about masses of ordinary, unnamed folks?

    I dislike Jewish nationalist exploitation of their disaster, but it has nothing to do with the fact it happened.

    2. As regards Jews in NDH/Independent State of Croatia (by the way- if you’re truly independent, why put “Independent” in the name?) they were subject to extermination. Some were killed in the country, some were extradited to Germany and Hungary. Historically, this has nothing to do with anti-Judaism which was non-existent in historical Croatian lands. There were no Jewish villages or anything similar. All Jews were, more or less, “Jews”. They were loyal citizens.

    And it is true that many of them were murdered. Emotions should not blind anyone to the fact. Most “Jews” in Croatia are basically Croatian nationalists of Jewish heritage, so they tend to minimize or completely dismiss these “unpleasant” facts (although many of them lost relatives in the Shoah). My position has always been: Sorry guys, but you’re wrong. This did happen. That’s how totalitarian tyrannies work.

    A small number of “professional Jews”, gathered around the Zagreb Jewish community, are a mixed bunch, and most of them are more ideological Yugoslavs and Tito’s fans than truly Jews in ethnic-national sense. That goes for Goldstein, Kraus & a few others.

    Jews definitely were persecuted & murdered in NDH & the rest of Yugoslavia, and there are rather strong indicators for that in pre- and post-war censuses.

    3. what is different is the situation with Serbs. Not going into historical nuances – their numbers actually grew. With Jews in the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, France, Lithuania, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Romania…- one can clearly see that something happened. Demographics had changed. Jews’ numbers were drastically reduced.

    But, unlike this- Serbs’ numbers have grown over the period of WW2, while Croatian numbers have diminished.

    This is the crucial difference.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  119. @SolontoCroesus

    Parents are not forced to send their children to a gov’t indoctrination center. They choose to do so because it’s the path of least resistance and least expense. The State robs them of tax money to build the indoctrination centers so parents have a lower likelihood of having the option to have their children educated in a private setting.

    Parents then keep voting for gov’t that absolutely never offers them the option of closing gov’t indoctrination centers and stealing from them less to be able to afford private education. Parents never seem to catch on that it isn’t just the school board that is their enemy, but the system that supports the school board, the indoctrination centers and the theft called taxes, namely, government.

    The average person is too stupid to understand how they are being manipulated. Anyone that tries to point it out to them is looked upon as some alien from outer space. I, long ago, gave up on humanity to do the right thing simply because the average person has no desire to be free.

    The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty – and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.
    H. L. Mencken

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  120. peterAUS says:

    By all accounts, several thousand people died there.

    The author is an idiot.
    Having established that fact let’s speed read through the rest of this shit.

    …..former president Franjo Tudjman, regularly gave figures of just 3,000 to 4,000 total…

    No, he didn’t.

    After this:

    …One strongly suspects that there are simply no remains to be found there….

    Skipped the rest.

    As for commenters, the usual.

    @ Colin Wright and @Tomo
    Take a look, if you wish:

    @ Anonymous[328]
    You mean this I presume?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrebarsko_children%27s_camp
    Won’t register here.

    Now, Balkans is….a peculiar….place.

    There WAS Jasenovac.
    Then, there was Bleiburg (it actually started there; it continued; grim story).
    Then, Communists themselves, there was “Goli Otok” ….facility……
    And, of course, there was Srebrenica.
    For now, as one of commenters said above. For …now….

    People seeking logic there, perhaps, shouldn’t.
    There is something ELSE at works here.

    Just my 2 cents.

  121. @Quizzler

    All one has to do is recommend defunding street cops to KNOW that people aren’t thinking, just reacting to programming that they received. I’ve tried numerous times to have individuals on this site seriously consider the fraud of police protection and make very little headway because they refuse to even consider it.

    I blame religions for so thoroughly propagandizing the population with their nonsense that the majority have no critical thinking abilities; all they have are belief systems and they refuse to entertain anything counter to their programming.

    Religion and government are two sides of the same coin. Both are fraudulent institutions and both have the weak minds of the population fully in their control. I’m waiting for a US CBDC to bring about feudalism 2.0 very soon. That will be the final nail in the coffin for liberty and all because people believe in the fiction of authority, religion and government.

    I collect quotes and have about 3000. Below is my favorite.

    Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  122. Agent76 says:

    Mar 14, 2012 Holocaust Uncovered (1945) – WARNING: Distressing Images

    English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate shows proof of the holocaust with shots from her visit to a German concentratino camp. Taken from the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel “German Atrocities – Proof”. This Pathe newsreel showed the world at the time what atrocities had been committed.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @SolontoCroesus
  123. Here is a question I asked on The Hill the other day and very surprisingly, no one could answer it…

    If the “Holocaust” is defined primarily as how so many Jews were killed and a person nonetheless accepts the number of Jewish deaths from Raul Hilberg’s research as 5.1 million but does not accept the industrial style of murder claimed overs o many years, how is this person thus viewed?

    Is this person a “Holocaust Denier” even though he accepts the Raul Hilberg number of 5.1 million deaths?

    It appears that my question provided no grist for anyone to respond to…

    • Replies: @W
  124. Hans says:
    @Vanunu

    Wind including flatus.

  125. Zumbuddi says:
    @anarchyst

    “This post deserves to be an article on its own.”

    How foolish of Unz not to have recognized the brilliance of this post-that-should-be-an-article.

    Hell, not just an article, a book!

    And given that you’ve written the same post-article about a hundred times, make it an encyclopedia. Or a long-running series!

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  126. Zumbuddi says:
    @niceland

    “What’s this?”

    “This” is a bit of ambiguous buteaucratese of dubious provenance.

    Next question?

    Heil Big Bird!

    • Replies: @niceland
  127. Schuetze says:
    @Agent76

    Well your Jewtube video clip is restricted. No loss anyway, since it was just a pack of judeo-communist lies.

    Instead, here is some truth, here is how Europe felt when it was finally freed from Jewish hegemony, and the Shabbez goyim were forced to flee or go into hiding. Freude Herrscht.

    Hitler In Vienna 1938

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
  128. @Agent76

    Have to give this to Mrs. Tate: her diction was superb.

    But did English MP Mrs. Mavis Tate visit Dresden? Did she speak with the same precise loathing of the “brutes” who firebombed Dresden?

    The first wave of Lancasters, British four-engined heavy bombers, appeared over Dresden on the night of Tuesday, February 13, 1945, around 10 p.m. After five hours of flight these 240 Royal Air Force (RAF) planes encountered practically no opposition in the skies and no anti-aircraft fire from below. They began an infamous aerial onslaught which devastated the Saxon city. . . .
    Ordered by Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Norman Bottomley to bomb the city, Air Marshal Arthur Harris, head of the RAF’s Bomber Command, envisioned massive raids on Dresden. Long wanting to target it, he intended to totally eliminate Dresden’s capacity to aid the Wehrmacht. Operation Gomorrah, the RAF’s obliteration of Hamburg in July 1943, provided a fearful precedent. So did the strikes against Kassel in October of that same year, and Darmstadt in September 1944. Tens of thousands of civilians had been killed in these operations. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/apocalypse-dresden-february-1945


    Were the British who killed so many in Dresden forced to bury them?

    Dresden remained ablaze for weeks. Bergander recalled how unceremoniously the dead were treated. Fear of disease led the Germans to pile the corpses on top of iron grates, soak them with benzene, and cremate them. SS personnel played a key role in creating these makeshift funeral pyres. The smell permeated everything. Allied prisoners of war were forced to help extract bodies from the rubble. We know of at least one case where an American POW was executed, purportedly for looting. Mass graves became the final resting places for thousands. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/apocalypse-dresden-february-1945

    IOW, No.

    Happily, however, not every body that was separated from its soul in Dresden had to be unceremoniously cremated on an iron grate pyre —

    “People’s shoes melted into the hot asphalt of the streets, and the fire moved so swiftly that many were reduced to atoms before they had time to remove their shoes. The fire melted iron and steel, turned stone into powder, and caused trees to explode from the heat of their own resin. People running from the fire could feel its heat through their backs, burning their lungs.” Miller also points out a forgotten fact, that 70 percent of the victims actually suffocated from carbon monoxide discharged by combustion.”

    Naughty me. Picking on the British.

    USAF only played CleanUp, but CleanUp they did,

    At noon the following day, Ash Wednesday, [Feb. 14] more than 300 B-17 Flying Fortresses from the United States Eighth Air Force struck Dresden. With towers of smoke from the RAF attacks still shooting 15,000 feet into the air, the Americans had enormous difficulty finding their targets. They did hit the beleaguered city’s marshaling yard but residential areas were also bombed. And this was not the finale.

    Again —

    On February 15, a fourth raid hit Dresden. More than 200 B-17s. . . The marshaling yards were not hit. The same could not be said about residential areas. Even that did not end Dresden’s torment. The Eighth Air Force returned on March 2

    and Again —
    And Again —

    and April 17, again going after the rail yards and industrial districts.

    Mrs. Mavis Tate’s video bears a warning label: AGE RESTRICTED!

    United States Eighth Air Force that bombed Dresden celebrates “the Mighty Eighth” at a museum in Georgia, just off I-95.
    It seems to have some Age Restrictions as well, based on this image:

    What psychopath wouldn’t just pop his bomber-buttons with pride as his little girl celebrates 16 years of life in a museum celebrating the bombing of Dresden?

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Thanks: Schuetze
  129. Rich says:
    @Quizzler

    Have you really lived 66 years and never actually spoken to a religious person? You think people come to Christ because they need to “feel they are 100% correct”? Most people who find Faith in Jesus, do so because they searched for truth and for some reason above your obviously gigantic IQ, found truth and peace in Christianity. Just because something is beyond your understanding, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. A religion that teaches a person to be honest, to take care of the poor, to be moderate in all things, is so good, I can’t understand the fierce opposition to it. It’s almost demonic.

    • Thanks: Hans
    • Replies: @RestiveUs
    , @Quizzler
  130. peterAUS says:
    @RoatanBill

    …the average person has no desire to be free.

    Yep.
    Some guys noticed that before:
    “Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.”

    The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty – and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.

    That was a deep thought before the Scamdemic we could debate.
    Now we know.

    I’m waiting for a US CBDC to bring about feudalism 2.0 very soon. That will be the final nail in the coffin for liberty and all because people believe in the fiction of authority, religion and government.

    I hear you. Well, I would’ve put “science” too.
    Hahaha…two of us “here”? Must be more. Six?

    Where we disagree is the religion thing. I think it’s just a tool, actually. Can be used for good or bad. Seen both.
    As “science”.
    I believe that “no free” thing goes much deeper; comes from our “cave” mind.
    Doesn’t matter.
    Theories to quibble about don’t matter anymore. The end result does.

    The Going Direct Reset.

  131. GeneralRipper [AKA "James McLaren"] says:

    It’s truly amazing to me that anyone in the West still believes in the Holoco\$t.

    It’s even more preposterous than the official US Government 9/11 report, and that’s saying something.

    All things obey money.

    • Agree: Druid55
  132. @Anon

    Yes. That’s the way to go about it.
    Get the ones behind 911 and you’ll also get the ones behind this covid fraud.

  133. HT says:

    Based on what I see in the world today, I would put 100% more credibility in what the German soldiers said over what the Jews said. When we see prominent Jews like Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Fink today, I doubt they have said an honest thing in their life. Why should we believe Jews in 1945 were any different?

    • Agree: John Wear, HdC
  134. niceland says:
    @Zumbuddi

    I agree with you, but this isn’t good enough of one is trying to convince hostile audience. I was hoping someone here might know more about this document.
    Thanks!

  135. @ArthurK

    You should help the starving old Jews in the former USSR because Jews are so poor. According to some estimates, their share of the national wealth of the United States doesn’t even reach 50 percent, being only in the high 40s! That is shameful given that they are the Chosen People and all the world’s wealth rightfully belongs to them.

    • LOL: Weaver
    • Replies: @HT
  136. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @beavertales

    Russia also has a post WWII ‘foundation myth’ that includes the “crushing of the nazis”. Where is it they placed personal items of Hitler? Weren’t they (at first at least, are they still there?) placed in some type of newly built National Military Orthodox Cathedral that included melted down German tanks in its construction?

  137. @Priss Factor

    There is probably some connection between their affinity for six million and 666. That they are of the devil should be considered orthodox Christian belief since Jesus himself said so and the accusation is repeated in the book of Revelation. And that’s to say nothing that their behavior is exactly what you would expect from a people committed to evil.

    • Replies: @Flubber
  138. MrFish says:

    “Serbia, of course, has an incentive to promote high numbers of victims, and especially high numbers of Serbs, because it enhances their victimhood status and promotes their nationalist agenda.”

    The Jacenovac concentration camp was constructed by the Roman Catholic Eustasha, led by Ante Pavelic (search online using this name for more about the situation), as one of about 26 similar sites for them to dispose of most non-Catholics. The primary victims were an unknown but very large number of Orthodox Christians, the ones who refused to convert to Roman Catholicism or refused to leave the country. It was a religion-based conflict in which the Vatican-supported Roman Catholic Eustasha expelled and/or viciously murdered most of the Orthodox population in the region, with the intent of converting Croatia into a 100-percent Roman Catholic nation (Croatia’s population is Catholic-majority today, and there are very few Jews left). All the orders of Roman Catholic priests and nuns participated in the mass murder of the Orthodox Christians and other non-Catholics. The Catholics formed a 5th column inside Yugoslavia’s government and assisted the Nazis to invade Yugoslavia. The Vatican intended its priests to follow the Nazis into the east, where they would forcibly convert all Eastern Orthodox and others to Roman Catholicism. The Jewish portion of Yugoslavia’s population was too small to merit an article like this one, which focuses on Jews only. The Croatian holocaust is an instance which shows that the Roman Catholic identity is capable of turning even ordinary Catholics into vicious murderers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @MrFish
  139. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    It would not dry up. They do not care what Jews think of them. They care what they’ve been taught the Bible/Yahweh says. They believe they are doing the will of their god – not the will of Jews. The less religious ‘fundamentalist’ kind are entirely brainwashed through pop culture & skewling. There is hope for neither.

  140. lavoisier says:
    @Colin Wright

    Lying always calls into question the liar and the reason for the lie.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  141. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Nothing ever seems to get reexamined because TPTsB are in charge and bitching and moaning over it has never led to an enlightenment among the masses. As long as gov’t controls what happens, their crimes will forever be off limits.

    Quite true, and that is why I am many times impatient with TUR writers with a litany of issues…always pissing and moaning…but never a hint of a solution. Paul Craig Roberts, Phillip Giraldi among others are especially egregious.

  142. Mackie says:
    @Avery

    Great points Avery.

    Old crimes cast long shadows…

  143. raga10 says:

    Leaving Holocaust aside, I just love the fact that some of you guys seriously believe there are nuclear-powered machines melting rocks and digging thousands of miles of tunnels across America… but possible existence of a bone-crushing machine is step too far for you.

    You guys crack me up… well, sometimes you drive me up the wall, but mostly you are really entertaining, so thank you!

  144. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Gov’t provides the police and military muscle from the dolts in the society that are paid with the funds stolen from voters that agree to become victims of theft every election day.

    That is why it’s so sad to see the police, whose average wage is \$25/hr, beating the crap out of peaceful protesters at school board meetings, vaccine mandates protests, and other peaceful protests. The police should have the same grievances as the protesters…they are in the same quandary…but too stupid to realize. Why does the U. S. populace continue to elect the same school board members and politicians that screw them…stupidity runs amuck?

    This gov’t is then up for grabs by those that have the most money to purchase the legislation they want.

    And as I have said before you have the SCOTUS to thank for that.

    The SCOTUS has passed down egregious decisions that abridge the First Amendment and show contempt for the concept of representative democracy. Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing stupid SCOTUS decisions First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission.
    These decisions have codified that money is free speech thereby giving entities of wealth and power total influence in elections.

    This was a betrayal of immense proportions against ninety-eight percent of the U. S. population by the SCOTUS.

    I remember at the time I thought this is a very bad thing…and I was right.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  145. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Toza

    Serbs are professional victims, like Armenians and Jews. Serbs have been whining about being killed, having their land stolen etc..while the Serbs were doing just that to other people. Serbs are up there with the most rotten nations besides negroes, Jews, south asians and hispanics.

    • Agree: Druid55
  146. Mulegino1 says:

    But there is still a steady stream of remains being found in the former Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Jews of course will take no responsibility, just like they will take no responsibility for the nuking of Beruit. Daily we see Jews refusing to take responsibility for their ongoing genocide of Arabs in the Palestinian lands that they stole. Jews are murdering Palestinian children from behind massive concrete walls with US made high power sniper rifles, and yet even the best of the “good Jews” do nothing, refuse to take responsibility, and show no remorse what so ever. Jews are liars and thieves, the entire planet knows it now.

    Talmudic Jewry/Rabbinism never takes (collective) responsibility for anything, since it imposes no moral imperative on its members vis a vis non-Jews, whom it considers soulless animals. By contrast, the moser/ informer- in actuality the truth teller- is absolutely vilified and ostracized by Jews, since he violates the one relevant practical imperative of Jewry- “that it be good for the Jews.”

    The problem with Jews, per se, is not their DNA or their upbringing. It is the conscience acceptance of their hateful Talmudic identity and heritage. Their DNA is obviously a matter beyond the individual’s control, as is their childhood education. Once they consciously accept the hive identity, they have thrown in their lot against the Truth, nature, and humanity in general.

    As candidly pointed out by Bernard Lazare, the pioneering Zionist, it is the behavior of the Jews as a people that has led to antisemitism or anti-Judaism, not any irrational hatred or gross superstition on the part of the non-Jews, since they as a people are almost universally despised throughout their history.

    Contemporary Jews, whether atheistic or Orthodox, have a special hatred for Christ and Christianity, but their hatred extends to all the manifestations of cosmic order since they declared war on the Logos Incarnate: they are restless and hateful enemies of the good, the true, and the beautiful. What they cannot destroy, they pervert, and what they cannot pervert, they ridicule, thus carrying on the legacy of their spiritual forebears, the Pharisees.

    The Shoah Business and pseudo-religion is a projection of the Jewish mindset of destruction and hatred upon the rest of the world. Jewry accuses the “best of the gentiles” of harboring and actually committing the same homicidal program that they would commit against non-Jews in a minute if they had total and universal power.

  147. @Weaver

    I think the Russians to some degree and definitely the Germans are in the same boat as us in the USA. Putin probably has a better grasp on actual numbers than many world leaders, but why start a global spat when it would hinder your relationships with strategic partners. Also, much of the terrible things the communists did in WW2 are overshadowed by the constant drumbeat of the evil Germans, Putin doesn’t want that distraction taken away and his people put in a bad light. Germany is currently run by the same nefarious element that we’re burdened with; expect nothing from them.

    • Agree: Robjil, Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Mulegino1
  148. Weaver says:
    @Rooster111

    In Russia, Putin allows historical debate, allows people to read what really happened. He doesn’t seem to like communism. What you say has a lot of truth to it, but Hitler still attacked Russia. Russians will always claim they fought in self defence. So, they have that.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @L.K
  149. Anonimko says:
    @Schuetze

    You have just confirmed my previous qualification in a couple occasions. What’s happened with Jasenovac? The above-mentioned evidence is known to the whole civilised world. You are talking about (pro-communist) partisans which were supported by British to win over royal forces. Replying on this British policy, Churchill said that it would be easier for Brits to control communists after the war because, if democrats win, they would be independent from the Brits. Communists followed old Cominterna agenda to destroy Serbian nation and, it is documented that they after liberation from Germans killed about 100 K Serbs, especially intelligentsia, business people and respected locals. For them, the first goal was to take the power and achieve the ideological win. Liberating the country from Germans was the secondary goal for them. It is also well documented their collaboration with Ustashas in fighting Serbian Chetniks what was hidden for many decades. They also did not attempt to liberate Jasenovac. The Croats Ustasha death factory worked until the May 1945.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  150. HT says:
    @Ray Caruso

    I love those starving Jew commercials. What a grift. All the wealthy Jews in the world and they hit on poor and middle class Christian suckers for money in those commercials on conservative outlets.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  151. @Realist

    Agreed.

    Let’s also ponder the 3 branches of gov’t nonsense. To have a Supreme Court do anything against the interests of the rest of the gov’t is asking for what can never happen. It’s one giant criminal enterprise with 3 departments.

    The structure of all successful criminal organizations is to use the division of labor and compartmentalization to always have the ability to profess plausible deniability. No one becomes responsible for anything as there are numerous actors required for any decision.

    Legislators write loose laws allowing departments and their regulations to interpret what those laws mean. Neither is responsible for the on the ground consequences. If the Supreme Court strikes something down, the deep state will simply go around it as in Fauci offshoring the gain of function business. Each one of these criminals can, with a straight face, say they didn’t do anything wrong and they can get away with it because within their domain, they didn’t break any laws. The overall enterprise might be guilty as hell, but you can’t touch the players because they all have excuses that the courts will readily accept.

    • Replies: @Realist
  152. Anonimko says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jasenovac was a tip of the iceberg. There were several hundreds (!) of other places where Ustashas conducted the genocide on Serbs. The second largest concentration camp system was Jadovno where several dozens of thousands of Serbs were killed including the complete extended family of Nikola Tesla. Ustashas, together with Bosnian Muslims exterminated the entire Serbian villages. Many Catholic priests directly killed many Serbs and were parts of Ustasha units. Such hatred is difficult to imagine by normal people. The most of killings were performed not by bullets than by specially invented knife ‘Serbcutter’. As I mentioned above, there were 57 different identified ways of killings by Ustashas.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srbosjek

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  153. @Schuetze

    ‘LOL. It sure is. Gavrilo Princip and the Black Hand, who were sponsored by Russia and the Tsar who wanted to gain control of the Dardanelles, assassinated the arch duke of Austria as a deliberate provocation. Of course Serbia wanted to create greater Serbia and Pan-Slavia, which is precisely the reward given to them at Versailles, which was the “Kingdom of Yugoslavia” with a Serbian King.’

    I’d be inclined to see France behind both of those. Loans for arms, strategic railroads, etc.

    Intriguingly, the French visited Russia right as the crisis broke. The records of what precisely was discussed seem to have been lost.

    France was the one ‘unsatisfied power’ in the whole set up. There were no innocents, and the Serbs were insane, but I’d argue France bore more responsibility than any other party for the outbreak of war.

  154. Mulegino1 says:
    @Rooster111

    The Russians have their own mythologized narrative, i.e., the “Great Patriotic War.”

    In contrast to the Shoah Business, though, this titanic conflict did take place- although its origins are shrouded in ongoing controversy.

    As for myself, I would opine that Operation Barbarossa was a preemptive strike against overwhelming military forces staging on the western frontiers of the USSR for an unprecedentedly enormous offensive against Europe. It was not a well planned, genocidal war of conquest for Lebensraum at all, but a desperate preemption of overwhelmingly superior military might.

    Early on in the conflict, Stalin realized that the Russian people would not fight for international Bolshevism or revolution, so he made the war an existential struggle for the Russian nation and soul.

    But there is no doubt that it did happen, and alongside this enormous conflict, the fake narrative of totally prioritizing Jewry as victim is rightly perceived as the tantrum of a spoiled child.

  155. @Anonimko

    ‘Jasenovac was a tip of the iceberg. There were several hundreds (!) of other places where Ustashas conducted the genocide on Serbs. The second largest concentration camp system was Jadovno where several dozens of thousands of Serbs were killed including the complete extended family of Nikola Tesla. Ustashas, together with Bosnian Muslims exterminated the entire Serbian villages. Many Catholic priests directly killed many Serbs and were parts of Ustasha units. Such hatred is difficult to imagine by normal people. The most of killings were performed not by bullets than by specially invented knife ‘Serbcutter’. As I mentioned above, there were 57 different identified ways of killings by Ustashas.’

    Quite likely. I wasn’t arguing that the Croats didn’t kill masses of Serbs. I just find the claim that Jasenovac was another Auschwitz implausible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    So do you believe the claims that the Germans (or Austrians, I guess) gassed 700K Serbs in WW1? You wouldn’t want to be accused of being a denier, would you?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Anonimko
  157. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    So the claims about concentration camps for Serbs are bullshit, but those re. the camps for Jews are basically correct?

    Yeah, I do see the “crucial difference” here.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  158. RestiveUs says:
    @Rich

    “Truth and peace”…or an emotional crutch? If human beings lived forever, there would be no religion, but there would still be con artists seeking to exploit them.

    • Replies: @Rich
  159. Anonimko says:

    The knife ‘Srbosjek’ (‘Serbcutter’) gained notoriety because it was used by the Croatian Ustashas during World War II for the killing of prisoners in the concentration camps of the Nazi-puppet Independent State of Croatia, most notably the Jasenovac concentration camp.

    The upper part of the knife was made of leather, as a sort of a glove, designed to be worn with the thumb going through the hole, so that only the blade protruded from the hand. It was a curved, 12 cm long knife with the edge on its concave side. The knife was fastened to a bowed oval copper plate, while the plate was fastened to a thick leather bangle. The knife was fixed on the glove plate in order to prevent injuries and to prevent taking care of a separate knife in order to improve the work speed.

    It is said that in the Jasenovac concentration camp competitions in speedy slaughter were organized by the Ustashas. The winner of one such competition, Petar Brzica slit the throats of 1360 Serbian and Jewish prisoners in a single night.

  160. JamesinNM says:

    Truth can withstand the most rigorous scrutiny, but a lie cannot.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  161. @Anonymous

    No, and don’t care, respectively.

  162. RestiveUs says:
    @RoatanBill

    Let it go and it will finally fade into obscurity.

    Who are you addressing with that? It is precisely those with the means and incentive to perpetuate the holocaust nonsense who are the ones that won’t let it go!

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  163. sally says:
    @anon

    The Oligarchy has complete and total control over the flow of information both the gathering and the distribution sides of the equation. .. Unless a Martin Luther nails facts to the church door, little is likely to happen. Some independent system of content distribution is needed to avoid oligarch suppression of information flows. Such a system must allow interactive analysis, study, and challenge re the holocaust narrative. Open access for analytical content to reach the public media is not possible. The likely hood of challenging holocaust narratives reaching significant numbers of the public is very low indeed.

    • Agree: John Wear
  164. Quizzler says:
    @Rich

    No Rich I have not lived 66 years and never spoken with a “religious person”…what gave you that idea? You also misunderstood the “feel they are 100% correct”. That referred to mainstream media articles on any topic, not necessarily involving religion per se at all. I do not oppose religion….you can believe whatever you like, I was actually raised in the church. I also strive to be honest, give to the poor, not covet what my neighbors may have…and I am not demonic. Why are there so many religions?

    • Replies: @Rich
  165. @lavoisier

    ‘Lying always calls into question the liar and the reason for the lie.’

    It does, and Jews as a group seem to have an incorrigible tendency to gild the lily. All people do, but as so often, it’s a case of Jews even more so.

    However (duck and cover) I see the evidence for the essentials of the Holocaust narrative as overwhelming and irrefutable. It’d be nice if it weren’t so — but it is so. Really. No foolin’. Congenial or not, it did happen.

    This doesn’t mean what some would propose as the Jasenovac ‘narrative’ is also true. On the contrary, it’s almost certainly a gross exaggeration. It doesn’t even fit with what I know of the texture of the Croat/Serb conflict in 1941-45.

    That the reality of the rest of the Holocaust somehow implies the claims about Jasenovac must be valid, or that the reverse must be the case is nonsense. It’s like trying to argue that because geese fly south in the winter, chickens must do so as well. Two different birds…

    • Agree: One-off
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @One-off
    , @Anonymous
  166. Anonimko says:
    @Anonymous

    In 1912, the Kingdom of Serbia had 2,784,000 inhabitants and 48,300 square km, and after the liberation from Turkey in the Balkan wars, it increased to 4,439,000 inhabitants and 87,300 square km.

    Formally, 1,250,000 Serb victims in the First World War made up 28 percent of the population of Serbia in 1914 (or 52% of the male population), but essentially, genocide against the population of Serbia (“punitive expeditions of Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria”) was mostly committed over that part of the territory and population that belonged to Serbia before the Balkan wars.

    In essence, 1,250,000 Serb victims, compared to 2,784,000 inhabitants, make up an even more horrific 44.89 percent of killed.

    • Replies: @anon
  167. MrFish says:
    @MrFish

    My spelling is incorrect on name of the Croatian Catholic fascist, nationalist organization. Correct spelling is Ustase or Ustasa. The correct spelling should provide accurate search results. Also important, the first Ustase extermination camp was Jadovno. It was unusual among such camps because it was operated by Roman Catholic nuns (all the extermination camps were Catholic-built and operated). Jasenovac is said to have been the largest of the 26 camps. One of the reasons that the number of victims is unknown is that many were thrown into deep ravines or forced to jump off cliffs and into the sea, and cremation was often used to dispose of the corpses. The Catholics usually used crude hand implements, such as axes, sledge hammers and saws to kill their mostly Orthodox victims (also Jews and Roma, just like the Nazis). Some writers note that the Catholics wanted the killings to be up close and personal, rather than using guns. In most Wikipedia articles about this, it is described as an ethnic conflict rather than religion-based, even though inside the articles the writers describe various perpetrators as Roman Catholics. This is a potentially serious issue for Catholics and the Vatican if the Roman Catholic vs. Orthodox religious basis of the Balkans conflict becomes widely known, so we’re always told, falsely, that it’s an ethnic conflict. Ustasa was one of several Catholic fascist groups in Europe at that time, including Leon Degrelle’s Rexist party in Belgium. They were all anti-Jewish, anti-Roma and anti-communist, but we’re never told that Orthodox Christians were targeted, too. Wikipedia, of course, by itself isn’t a reliable information source, but its articles provide lots of links to other articles about the Croatian holocaust.
    https://orthochristian.com/114594.html

    • Replies: @Rich
  168. @RestiveUs

    That the jews will attempt to keep their victim status up for as long as possible is a given. Arguing over what happened 70+ years ago by non jews serves no real purpose. All it does is help the jews with their propaganda effort.

    The available holocaust records are easily as accurate as the 911, JFK and Charlotte records, meaning, not at all. All gov’ts lie, so relying on any of their information is a fools errand. Why non jews give a shit and argue over this subject is puzzling as it solves absolutely nothing and just helps keep the jew’s narrative alive.

    The US is Israeli occupied territory. The jews own the place because they print the currency and run the banking system. With that edge, they can buy the congress, media and anything else they want. The holocaust is a vanity project for them. They no longer really need it but just want to rub everyone else’s nose in it. By going along, they win.

  169. People often confuse the estimate for number of killed with demographic losses.
    Demographic losses produce larger numbers because they include military dead, immigration, changing borders, and such.

    There was estimates of about 40,000 soon after the war made my opponents of Serbia.
    700,000 would be an exaggeration (similar to some of the early holocaust camp estimates).
    So the common view today is about 85,000-100,000 died in jasenovac.
    Around 1 million to 1.7 million died in Yugoslavia.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  170. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Making it a crime to question the Holocaust narrative is another reason to doubt the story.

    I have no substantial knowledge on this issue to make any claims one way or the other. Like most people, I just assumed that what I had been told was true.

    But the lies and the criminalization in so much of the so called free world of anyone questioning the holocaust narrative has put enormous doubt in my mind as to whether it happened in the way we have been told.

    Furthermore, the silence in much of the world over Bolshevik mass murder has been very disturbing.

    Truth should not require censorship or state sanctioned tyranny shutting down open inquiry.

    • Agree: One-off
  171. Antiwar7 says:
    @Schuetze

    The entire planet got a taste of “Serbian genocidal policies” during the Civil War of the early 1990’s. We know this is true.

    No one believes the bullshit propaganda about the wars in Yugoslavia anymore: 300,000 killed and 50,000 rapes in Bosnia, 100,000 killed in Kosovo. All lies.

    • Agree: One-off
    • Replies: @One-off
    , @peterAUS
  172. Reading this article leads me to only one simple conclusion.

    All of us, Europeans, Africans, Americans, Asians, Australians, African-Americans, Arabs, etc., we must all agree to stop killing Jewish people.

    Perhaps we can all develop hobbies or focus on our jobs, but the murder of Jews must end.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  173. Anonimko says:
    @Anonymous12890

    Common view? If 1.7 million died in Yugoslavia during the ww2, how they died if there were neither major battles nor large number of direct battle victims (probably cca 150 K in total). How other 1.5 million died and who were they?

  174. One-off says:
    @Schuetze

    While I find the Holocaust denialists as repugnant as the 6 Millionist frauds, it is good to read something and view a related link to remind me why I hate the former even more. Thank you. My personal awakening came about only after Clinton, for whom I had voted, massacred the Serbs to curry favor with the Israelis and Saudis, perhaps the most evil regimes in human history save our own and the earlier communists. God have mercy on our souls.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @Schuetze
  175. anaccount says:

    I think the author and many commenters here are too optimistic about the truth coming out. The truth has already come out and look where we are. Take the media for example. It has dropped all pretenses and just lies to the public. Because of mass censorship, no one can talk back, especially those that are qualified to do so. In the case of the holohoax most experts take it for granted or self-censor so that they can hold a job and feed their kids. More importantly, the average American can’t point to Germany on a map so even if you got through to them, it wouldn’t matter.

    ZOG owns the past and it controls the future. System collapse is our only hope and there are some encouraging signs that this might occur, sooner or later.

  176. @Reality Cheque

    Were you imprisoned when young?
    Are you in prison now?
    Then shut up.

    Sylivia Stolz, a lawyer, was imprisoned for defending her client. She didn’t steal anything and wasn’t violent. She asked questions that could be interpreted as “questioning the “Holocaust””.

  177. @RoatanBill

    ‘…Why non jews give a shit and argue over this subject is puzzling as it solves absolutely nothing and just helps keep the jew’s narrative alive.’

    This actually is an important point. When I was a boy (mid-Sixties) the ‘Holocaust’ wasn’t questioned.

    It just wasn’t that big a deal. To be precise, it was about as big a deal as it should have been. It was a significant but not overwhelming part of the general conflagration that was the Second World War.

    Now…look at the shelves at any public library. There’s a volume on this, and two volumes on that — and an entire shelf on ‘the Holocaust.’

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  178. @RoatanBill

    The holocaust is a vanity project for [the Jews who run the banking system]. They no longer really need it but just want to rub everyone else’s nose in it. By going along, they win.

    Really? They don’t need it? That tells me you know zilch about it and your over 3000 comments are just a vanity project for you. Why bother?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  179. Flubber says:
    @Ray Caruso

    It’s more prosaic than that. There were roughly 12 million Jews in the world at the time.

    So the 6 million was simply half.

  180. Iva says:

    Is not the first time Jews lie about numbers or try to exaggerate their suffering and minimize the suffering of others, or even blame other sufferens for the death of Jews. Jedwabne is a place in NE part of Poland . When Poles were accused by Gross of murdering Jews there, the Polish Institute started exhumation of the site. After some shells from German munitions were found, the rabbi put pressure on the Polish president to stop the process. Jews wanted to keep on lying that Poles killed Jews. Poles were oppressed as Jews and they risked their life hiding Jews, not killing them. Auschwitz was built as a death camp for Poles. First transport of Poles came there in June of 1941. Jews lived in ghettos ( closed parts of cities) administered mainly by a brutal jewish police force. World should see original films how Jewish police treated their people in ghettos. Two years ago a plate in Auschwitz that was listing all the nationalities of prisoners was taken off and replaced by “Jews, and other prisoners of other nations died here”, as the Jews only matter. For Jews there was another camp 6 km from Auschwitz. Now, they claim Auschwitz as a mainly Jews death camp”. Jews were taken to camps in 1943. In one of history books I read that Russians who were liberating the camps were taking all documents from camps. According to these documents, the death toll was 322,000. Why doesn’t Russia want to show them? I don’t know . Maybe this is their so-called “Trump card” against Israel so they live alone. So far Jews don’t ask Russia for “restitution” of properties left by Jews, like they ask Poland.

  181. One-off says:
    @Colin Wright

    You nailed it. Gross exaggeration doesn’t negate the reality of truth. Like so much in our post-truth society, the orthodoxy of the Six Million will hold until disproven, at which time the denialists will become received wisdom
    All of this is appalling.

  182. One-off says:
    @Antiwar7

    I appreciate Schuetz’s linkage, and acknowledged as much, but, yes. The propaganda we were fed was off the charts, and I feel nothing but shame over what “our” government did to the Serbs. That was unforgivable.

    • Agree: Antiwar7
  183. @Weaver

    Putin allows historical debate, allows people to read what really happened.

    Is that right. Would you please give some proofs of that b/c I think you’re just talking out of your hat.

    Russians can claim whatever they like, but there does exist the books by Viktor Suvorov that document how Stalin was planning an invasion of Germany & Europe. Hitler just beat him to it by only a few weeks. You should look into that; you’ll fine it on the Internet.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  184. peterAUS says:
    @Antiwar7

    …50,000 rapes in Bosnia….

    Altogether, from all three parties? Depends on how you count.
    From
    https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape
    at the time:

    ….forcible male penile penetration of a female vagina…..”

    If by above, more than that. MUCH more.

    As for killings, I guess that the execution of around 2500 (Two Thousand Five Hundred) Muslim POWs, in Srebrenica, qualify as something abnormal for the civilized world.
    Especially taking into account that a POW, in that conflict, was a very valuable commodity.

    There is something else going on there.
    And nasty.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  185. Franjo Tudjman was a Partisan general , which was not allied with the Ustasa , rather against.

  186. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    you don’t even have to dig up the whole thing.

    just take samples and use “remote sensing” to map where the ash begins and ends.

    it’s so easy anyone could do it with a little money. or is treblinka guarded by the poles?

    but because holocaust deniers would themselves have been liquidated by aktion t4, they don’t.

  187. Anonimko says:
    @Just another serf

    Just curious – if the murder of Serbs must end, too?

    During the ww2, only Croatians had a special concentration camp for children run by Catholic Church nuns. Before they killed children, Ustashas were digging their eyes, putting them in barrels and throwing to the river Sava with a message – ‘a gift to Serbian children’ to float downstream to Belgrade. Thousands of killed Serbs were also thrown in the river Sava to float to Belgrade where it was not possible to breath because of decaying corpses.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jastrebarsko+logor+slike&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wWgPIhwQ1pkFwM%252CA8TH3RP1r_B5HM%252C_%253BW-Bg_63iJQCy_M%252CcK_rL2geqU1b0M%252C_%253Baafyk_7Et_vTCM%252CcK_rL2geqU1b0M%252C_%253BNBWs8J4XxULCsM%252CtFtz756MO7FjiM%252C_%253BZtCiOCTSDOjt0M%252CejDBJGhLitJYjM%252C_%253BofwvzJ8OWJJIrM%252CtLNlLqU01uWjTM%252C_%253B_aNvbEKP794-nM%252CG8phmyW8IXF_nM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRW0sBhy329RFvO23bN5dUFDDeQOQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY3K7hgdPzAhWeumMGHUjHBsUQ9QF6BAgJEAE&biw=1745&bih=881&dpr=1.1#imgrc=wWgPIhwQ1pkFwM

    • Replies: @Just another serf
  188. @SolontoCroesus

    Opposing views on the “Holocaust” can’t be presented? If the “Holocaust” is everything it’s said to be, it should withstand every criticism, every doubt leveled against it, right?

    Or is there “no business. like \$hoah business?! . . .

  189. Anonimko says:

    In sum:

    1) Sc. “Goldman” and his evidence were a hoax;
    2) Attempt to revise the truthful history of Jasenovac failed;
    3) Together with facts about Jasenovac, so many linked facts about Croats Ustasha genocide conducted on Serbs came back on surface;
    4) Attempts of some Serbophobes to present the fake evidence about Balkan happenings in 90-ies failed.
    5) Impartial, thinking people with high integrity presented crucial evidence;
    6) Croatian Ustasha’s massacres are the black hole in the body of the human civilisation.
    6) As I predicted, not ONE Croat denounced Ustasha’s genocide.
    ALL Croats without one single exception still support Ustasha’s genocidal ideology.

  190. @Anonimko

    Just curious – if the murder of Serbs must end, too?

    Okay, this is a sort of a test here. The test being whether you belong on this web site or not.

    Since the late 19th century, we have seen reports of approximately six million Jews being killed across the European continent repeatedly. Now that’s a serious situation.

    Any other deaths, Serbs, Croatians or otherwise, would be nothing compared to the Jewish deaths since maybe the 1880. The Jewish deaths were many multiples of six million and far, way, more brutal.

    So now understanding the extent of deaths among totally innocent Jewish women and tiny children, do you still have a comment?

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  191. @One-off

    I’m trying to make sense of what you wrote. You find the promoters of the 6m holocaust to be repugnant frauds. You find equally repugnant people who say those promoters are lying.

    Yet you hate the truthists more than the frauds.
    Yet you call “israelis” an evil regime.
    But “israelis” promote the holocaust hugely.

    Is that about right?

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  192. Ed Case says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    When your country is running on fumes while being attacked on multiple fronts, you simply don’t use valuable resources killing prisoners.

    Abattoirs run on coal, something Germany was never short of.
    I’ve read that the Germans used bonecrushers on live victims in the Soviet Union, the waste piped into the sewers.

  193. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    “The Croats Ustasha death factory worked until the May 1945.”

    LOL. let me fix it for you:

    “The Croatian prison camp was in operation until the May 1945, when Yugoslavia returned to its prewar status the Serb bullies in charge, and Jasenovac became a Serbian death factory until 1948.”

    “Communists followed old Cominterna agenda to destroy Serbian nation and, it is documented that they after liberation from Germans killed about 100 K Serbs, especially intelligentsia, business people and respected locals.”

    Yugoslavia could have made it through the war neutral and unharmed as a member of the Triparte Pact, but the Serb “intelligentsia, business people and respected locals” could not accept being mere equals to the Croats and Slovenes. Instead they got civil war when they sided with the communists, and just like the idiot Poles, in the end they got stabbed in the back by the communist Jews.

    Even worse, all those Serbs deaths were ruthlessly blamed on Germany and Croatia. They remained Judeo-communist tools even in death. Slavs do this over and over and over again. Just look at the sad story of Poland. When Hitler told them about Katyn Forest, did they turn on the Soviets who had invaded and carved up half of Poland? No, they continued fighting the Germans while the communists and jews stabbed them in the back from 1943-45. Just look what happened in Warsaw in 1944, when the Red Rapist Army stopped at the gates of Warsaw and let the AK starve for food and ammunition while they duked it out with the Wehrmacht. Afterwards, the Red Rapist Army rounded up all the AK and sent them to the gulag to die, just as they had done to the Polish POW’s in 1939. That’s the slavs for you, too proud and too stupid to stop being slaves.

  194. syd.bgd says:

    Just another American humanities guy. What a moron.

  195. Schuetze says:
    @One-off

    “While I find the Holocaust denialists as repugnant as the 6 Millionist frauds”

    Bravo. Well done. You just called yourself repugnant, and then stated that you hate yourself even more after reading some unspecified link. Denial of the holy 6 million is denial of the “Holocaust”.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  196. Rich says:
    @RestiveUs

    If humans lived forever on Earth, you would have no religion. Others would still believe, and maybe, after living a very long time, more people would be drawn to Christ. I’m often amazed how those not called, left outside, can be so rock solid sure in their disbelief. But that’s your choice, good luck with it.

  197. Rich says:
    @Quizzler

    How do you know you aren’t “demonic”? If you were raised in the Faith and rejected it, I’m sure you’re familiar with the teaching, “Many are called, but few are chosen”? Doesn’t mean you’re a bad guy, you just came off a little smarmy and insulting. Your question about different religions isn’t an easy one, but for many of us Christians, at least those who try to follow New Testament teachings, we all seem to end up in the same place. At least that’s been my experience with those from different Faith traditions.

  198. @Anonymous

    The claims about ginormous numbers of Serbs perishing in CC are bullshit because no demographic stats confirm them (the sole concept of Serbs being killed in some CC is real; numbers & most of the concomitant mythology are bullshit). The number of Serbs in Yugoslavia rose in the WW2 period- something completely contrary to the Jewish WW2 story.

    As far as Jews go, stats confirm they were victims of a genocide.

    • Replies: @Mackie
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  199. @Colin Wright

    Agreed.

    I guess the good part of your observation is that fewer people use the library today than before given that there’s so much on the Internet, so all those books are just getting dusty sitting there.

  200. @Carolyn Yeager

    Face facts. The jews own or control the most important resources in the country. There are holocaust museums all over the place. I’ve never been to one and never will see the inside of one because I don’t care about their pet project.

    They control that corpse in the white house because he’s literally surrounded by jews. The last jerk in that spot was run by jews in his family and did a splendid job for Israel as his only real accomplishment. The jews are over represented in congress and even many of the non jews there are married to jews. Their wealth buys any legislation they want and they’re in the process of getting title to huge portions of the real estate market with currency their small hat friends in the Fed are handing them for free. They have no need to keep pushing the holocaust story because they already won. They won.

    What they are doing now is rubbing everyone’s nose in their success by having the whole country running around scared out of their minds for a minor ailment via their propaganda division in the media they own and forcing people to get jabbed to keep their jobs, all while they get rich because they also control the pharmaceutical scam.

    Of any identifiable group in the country, they’re sitting pretty, right at the top. Any current and new initiatives on their part are just to keep their hand in the game they already own outright. 9/11 should have made that clear.

    BTW – my commenting here is largely do to boredom since I shut down all business activity. I’ll wait this year out and possibly next year to decide what to do next, so you have an indeterminate interval of my commenting to look forward to. If you check out my comments, you’ll realize that I attempt to get people to step away from their conventional wisdom and look at things as they are, and not how they would like them to be.

    I regularly piss on religion, the police, the military, the gov’t, voters, warmers and anything that is illogical at its base. My aim is to get people to realize they’re still largely operating inside an environment the controllers prepared for them. If they don’t step outside that mental prison they’re wasting their time.

    • Agree: Iva, Joe Levantine
    • Thanks: John Wear
    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Realist
  201. Anonimko says:
    @Just another serf

    I don’t know what is your point? Are you saying that the figure of 6 M WW2 deaths, which Jews claim is too high or too low estimate? For e.g. – 27 M Russians were killed during the ww2. Serbs – 1.25 M (more than a half of men) were killed in the ww1 and 1.4M in the ww2. There are now about 8 million of Serbs in the Balkan and about 3-4 million worldwide. When Turks came to Balkan in the 14th c.AC, the number of Serbs and English was the same. Now, we have about 150 million English and 12 million Serbs worldwide. How all this fits in your methodology?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  202. Goldman claimed in his article that less than 4,500 people were killed at Jasenovac concentration camp during its operation. Utterly ridiculous. He’s an obvious troll and this is a joke. Funny how those here at UR who distrust any Goldman, Goldberg, Goldstein suddenly believe this Jew charlatan who claims to a historian. There is nothing to argue about with this Jew and his believers on UR; they’re to be laughed at and ridiculed. Fools!

  203. @SolontoCroesus

    This long series of bloodletting of hundreds of millions of innocent lives can be dated from Herzl’s 1897 Zionist Declaration in Basel.
    There can be no doubt that Zionist Jews aided by their corrupt/bonehead/masonic/satanist servants have and are now causing “rivers of blood” to flow.
    Ron Unz, who is Jewish, accurately describes Jews as the greatest mass-murders in all recorded history. Rabbi Weiss talks of illegality of Israel.

    And still the Hyena continues to this very day and hour.

  204. Marcali says:
    @niceland

    “The Holocaust storytellers maintain that a conference was held at a Wannsee villa outside Berlin in January 1942, at which the “final solution” was planned.
    The minutes to the Wannsee Conference survived the war in full, and are publicly available at the Wannsee Villa museum and elsewhere.
    A reading of the Wannsee Minutes shows the following:
    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;
    – The Wannsee Conference never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the claims made after the war.
    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);
    – The Wannsee Conference was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;
    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; all Jews over the age of 65; and all Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation, and be allowed to stay in Germany.
    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a “master plan for mass murder” and the media, Holocaust institutions and reference books which claim this, are simply lying.
    Many of the Holocaust “experts” actually admit that there is no plan for mass murder in the Wannsee Minutes, and try to explain this “problem” away by stating that “code words” were instead used, such as “Labor assignment in the East” and so on. There is, of course, absolutely no justification for any of these claims.

    Section 20: Wannsee “A Silly Story,” says Israel’s Leading Holocaust Scholar
    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.
    He is not, therefore, an obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.
    As long ago as 1992, Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing but a “silly story.”
    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992.
    Titled “NaziScheme Not Born at Wannsee, Israeli Holocaust Scholar Claims,” the JTA report continued:

    London (JTA)—An Israeli Holocaust scholar has de-bunked the Wannsee Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the “Final Solution.”
    According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, “but hardly a conference,” and “little of what was said there was executed in detail.” Bauer addressed the opening session of an international conference held here to mark the 50th anniversary of the decision to carry out the “Final Solution.” “But it was not made at Wannsee,” the Czech born scholar said.” (6 million fact or fiction, January 27, 2018.)

    • Replies: @John Wear
  205. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    LOL your pandering is just pathetic. Zero credibility.

  206. @Anonimko

    No, no, no. You should be more careful with your words. “The Holocaust” is the murder of 6m Jews by Hitler and the Germans in the second world war. Murder is deliberate, planned killing. There is also the Jewish Question of gas chambers.
    So please don’t jumble, deaths, killings, and murders. Whatever happened to Anne Frank?

    • Replies: @Anonimko
    , @John Wear
  207. Anonimko says:

    T.Dalton used a ‘Goldman’ hoax, a non-existing Jew, invented by Croatian Ustashas, to build his suspicious construction on shaky foundations. For some reason he involved Serbian victims of the Croatian ww2 genocide to make his case. He was followed by couple Croats-Ustashas and 1-2- morons who served here numerous lies, but these lies were quickly uncovered. During the ww2, one famous poet said – Croats are the bravest people on the Earth, not because they are not afraid of anything than because they don’t know for a shame. We can safely assume that every Croat is an Ustasha. Let see if anyone publicly denounce Ustashas and I will retract my assertion. The whole world, except few morons, knows who were Ustashas – the cancer and the bottom of the human civilisation. The author made a mistake when using Ustashas to support his case, whatever it was. Maybe next time, for change, he will use his brain.

  208. @Milan Krajinovic

    USA, EU, NATO and their assorted allies are just Nazis and fascists hiding under the shroud of “democracy” with much the same aims as the original wearers of blackshirts and Hugo Boss uniforms. Just because they will start a witch-hunt against the extreme idiot right wing nationalists and self-declared neo-Nazis doesn’t mean they’re not, as they’ll gladly exterminate them in a new Night of the Long Knives. And the fact that they’re run by Zionist Jews also doesn’t mean they’re not Nazis as there’s very little difference; just consider what goes on in Israel and who are its most ardent and dedicated supporters. Same old shit in new packaging to befuddle the masses.

  209. @Anonimko

    I disagree with the thesis that people get tired of war because they’ve just been in one and suffered great losses. War has its own momentum if you’ve been fighting one and especially if winning. Look at the Vietnamese. They invaded Cambodia and fought quite a successful war against the far more populous Chinese soon after driving out the Americans with great losses to themselves. Or the Chinese didn’t tire after fighting the Japs for so long and winning the civil war against the KMT but soon after piled into Korea to fight quite successfully against US and UN. After winning the Balkan wars Serbs may have been quite ready and willing to take anybody on, foolhardy though it may have been. And initially it was as their army was completely driven out of the country but recovered lost ground thanks to powerful allies

  210. @peterAUS

    “abnormal for a civilised world”? WWII was also fought in a “civilised world” and look at all the massive atrocities perpetrated by all sides. Something like Srebrenica would hardly have registered when “civilised nations” came to blows. But in that region there would have been killings no matter who would have won: communists, fascists, royalists, democrats. It was a struggle for power in which the idea was to kill, and thus neutralise, your opponents. But it’s probably the same everywhere. The question is which of those parties would have been best for the people, and whose people.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  211. @RoatanBill

    When you own the news media, and all three branches of government, things tend go your way.

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Realist
  212. @Badger Down

    Maybe his confusion is due to the fact that he is Serbian? Just a thought.

  213. @smiddy012

    You have no leaders goy! Submit to the Jew!

    Try to be less obvious next time Schlomo.

  214. John Wear says:
    @Marcali

    Thank you for your excellent analysis of the Wannsee Conference. You are correct that the genocide of Jews was never discussed at this conference.

    Leni Yahil on page 312 of her book “The Holocaust: The Fate of European Jewry, 1932-1945” has also stated in regard to the Wannsee Conference, “[I]t is often assumed that the decision to launch the Final Solution was taken on this occasion, but this is not so.”

    When asked in 1983 how the extermination of European Jewry took place without an order, Raul Hilberg replied:

    “What began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

    So we are supposed to believe that the so-called Holocaust happened not from an order, plan or organization, but rather from “a consensus mind reading from a far-flung bureaucracy.” Truly hilarious.

  215. Mackie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The tricky part of comparing demographic figures over time is that you have to be sure they cover the same regions.

    For example, “Anatolia” corresponds to the Ottoman Empire, but in some cases, there are statistics from Turkish Armenia, Ottoman Armenia, Asiatic Turkey etc.

    Axis -allied Croatia during WWII, included modern-day Croatia, the whole of modern-day Bosnia and Herzegovina and the eastern part of Serbia.

    Looking at demographics of modern day Croatia, or former Yugoslavia without taking into account shifting borders, renaming of admin regions etc is completely superficial and meaningless exercise.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  216. @Bardon Kaldian

    As far as Jews go, stats confirm they were victims of a genocide.

    Untrue. The “stats” you may be referring to are doctored and only those, like yourself, who WANT to believe them do so. Publish the stats you’re referring to.

    See (especially first part from Dr. Otwald Mueller): https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graves
    Also https://carolynyeager.net/jewish-population-figures-dont-add

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  217. I think we are getting off track here. The importance of this piece is what it says about the larger Holocaust, and how it is a trigger for a wider discussion. Check out the Holocaust Handbook series, which are the ONLY real books on the topic. Or better, Dalton’s “Debating the Holocaust”, which is the best single book I have seen. Spread the word!

  218. @RoatanBill

    Face facts.

    Ha! The facts are on my side, not yours. You are just opining and speculating based on little knowledge because you think it’s unimportant to gain the knowledge. I don’t disagree with anything you said in your first 3 paragraphs, but after that it is just your personal ego trip.

    I’ll say this: you’re a lot younger than me if you’re “waiting to see what you’ll do next.” Therefore, you’re in no position to advise me or correct me from your overblown high opinion of yourself and nothing else. You lack expertise in the subject, and even you must admit you accomplish nothing.

    My aim is to get people to realize they’re still largely operating inside an environment the controllers prepared for them.

    Oh wow. You and a million others, even myself. So what’s new with you?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  219. Anonimko says:
    @Badger Down

    I still don’t understand what the problem is. I do not negate the genocide conducted on Jews, regardless if 6M were killed or ‘only’ 3M as some here say. Is the word ‘holocaust’ a trade mark which is applicable only for Jewish victims? “Murder is deliberate, planned killing”. That was the case with Serbs in a Nazi-puppet Croatia. The most victims of 27M in Russia were civilians planned killed by Germans. What about the genocide conducted on Armenians? Was this a murder?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  220. John Wear says:
    @Badger Down

    You ask: “Whatever happened to Anne Frank?”

    My response: The fate of Anne Frank, who is known around the world for her famous diary, is typical of many Jews who died in German camps during the war. Anne and her father were first deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz in September 1944. Anne’s father contracted typhus at Auschwitz and was sent to the camp hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of Jews who remained at Auschwitz when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945. He survived the war and died in Switzerland in 1980.

    In the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne Frank was evacuated to Bergen-Belsen, where she died of typhus in March 1945. While Anne Frank’s fate was tragic, her story is not consistent with a German plan of extermination against the Jews. Along with thousands of others at Bergen-Belsen, Anne died from a typhus epidemic and not from a German plan to commit genocide against European Jewry.

    • Thanks: Badger Down
  221. @Carolyn Yeager

    There is no real knowledge to be gained when all is polluted by propaganda especially in gov’t records. There are no records that can be trusted to lay out the truth in any matter. The only truth is the one you personally experienced and almost no one has access to that truth today since most are dead.

    I’m 70. I never plan on retiring because I see what that does to people. They get fat, slow witted and die of preventable illnesses. My parents are in their mid 90’s now.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  222. @Mackie

    On the contrary- it is easy to count population in the pre-war Poland, the Baltic states, parts of the Soviet Union, and especially in the Netherlands, Belgium, ..- and you’ll see that there are ca. 3-4 million Jews missing in Poland & Ukraine. Lithuania etc. were even easier to count.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Poland#Second_Polish_Republic_and_World_War_II_(1918%E2%80%931945)

    As for Germany and Austria, it is well known that most of their Jews, over 80% had emigrated before 1939.

    As far as Yugoslavia goes- it is the same with Croatian-only (except parts of Slovenia, which is not disputable), as far as South Slavic populations go, added- so that there should be more Croats than before the war, because Croatian only territories had been added. That’s why I am talking about Yugoslav, and not about republic censuses. It is also attested that from what was NDH ca. 150,000 to 200,000 Serbs were expelled in 1941 to Serbia proper (many of them returned) & that more than 100,000 Serbs were colonized to Serbian province of Vojvodina, following the expulsion of Germans, immediately after the war and until 1948, when the 1st Communist census was conducted.

    So- there is a huge gap of Jews in Western Europe under the Axis powers, as well as in Poland (before and after), Baltic countries & Ukraine (before and after), Belarus and Russia proper.

    As far as South Slavic peoples in Yugoslavia, 1931 and 1948, borders changed thus that Slovenian territory enlarged (this is counted), and Croatia’s territory bigger by adding Croatian-only Istria, Rijeka and 5 islands. In thus redefined Yugoslavia, looking at those two censuses & their absolute numbers:

    Serbs: 700,000 more
    Croats: 14,000 less

    • Replies: @Mackie
  223. Rich says:
    @MrFish

    There were no “extermination camps”. There were “concentration” or work camps which were unpleasant, but there was never any plan to mass exterminate anyone. Stop trying to get sympathy as a victim. And don’t disgust people with you “nun fantasies”. Ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  224. anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps you pagan vermin should give a rest debating this myth (the juden have your societies by their jelly-balls, so you will get nowhere!), and focus your attentions on an immeasurably far greater myth. You know, the whole batcrap nonsense of “Son of God,” “3 persons in 1,” etc.

    You ask for proof of the smaller myth, but do you vermin have any proof of the greater myth? Even something as simple as a logical explanation, and not some “take it on faith” garbage?

    Sure, the juden can take you all to hell on earth, but the greater myth will take you all to the actual Hell itself. Worry about that first.

    So, fricking pagans, stfu!! Sheesh!!

  225. @Carolyn Yeager

    Alright- refute Jewish figures. I don’t see you’ve done it.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-worlds-jewry-still-2-million-shy-of-1939-numbers/

    Israel says world’s Jewry is still 2 million shy of 1939 numbers

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-population-of-europe-in-1933-population-data-by-country

    Jewish Population of Europe in 1933: Population Data by Country

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/remaining-jewish-population-of-europe-in-1945

    Remaining Jewish Population of Europe in 1945

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  226. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    The official 6 Million Gassed Jews history story/myth does not stand up to any remotely fair scientific, documented history examinations.

    But, it doesn’t matter because the power of the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust story/myth has never been based on fair, neutral honest historical research or honest scientific research.

    Instead the Holocaust myth functions 2 says:

    1) A Stalinist/George Orwell “1984” 100% politicized official party line:

    If THE PARTY or just the “Powers that be say “2+2= 5” or “Exactly 6 Million Jews were gassed to death” then the Party/Powers that Be are 100% right – anybody that disagrees, questions THE PARTY, the Powers that be – gets outed/doxed as an “Enemy of the State/People/Party” etc – and that person loses his job, becomes a societal out caste.

    THE PARTY/Powers That Be are always changing the official story in the past to navigate to get more power/support for what THE PARTY/Powers that be want now and in the future. One clear example of this was when Israel President Netanyahu changed the story/myth in the past saying Hitler didn’t want to kill many/any European Jews – just wanted to expel them from Europe, move them to Palestine/Israel but the bad guy Palestinian Arab Muslim Grand Mufti of Jerusalem talked him out of it and forced Hitler to sign on to killing EXACTLY 6 MILLION Jews. Thus the current Palestinian Arabs are more to blame for the 6 Million Holocaust , thus Israel is justified in pretty much doing anything they want to Palestinians contesting Israeli/Jewish policies to the Palestinians.

    OK that’s #1

    2) The 6 Million Gassed Jews myth is just another Fundamentalist ethno centric Jewish religious myth the same as the fundamentalist Religious Myths from the Jewish Old Testament Bible like the Books of Exodus and Esther. In these myths the Jewish Tribal God Jehovah is constantly bringing down plagues, intervening on the side of the Jews’ God’s Chosen People to cheat, enslave, mass slaughter the various non Jewish people like the Egyptians, Persians.

    Take that fundamentalist Jewish religious Myth that God Jehovah Parted the Red Sea to allow the Jews God’s Chosen people to escape across the bottom of the Red Sea and then when the Egyptians tried to follow, God brought down the waves and the Egyptians (definitely not God’s Chosen People) all drowned – a real genocide -but it’s OK because the Egyptians, like today’s Palestinians and US White Gentiles are all bad.

    Now how is that Parting of the Red Sea story even remotely possible from a fair, neutral scientific perspective. It’s impossible, plus nobody (Greeks and Egyptians) wrote about this amazing event at the time it supposedly happened – must have been a busy news day.

    But and this is where the power gets in: The 6 Million Gassed Jews religious Myth is TRUE because

    IT IS TRUE – IT’S A BIBLICAL TRUTH the same as that parting of the Red Sea Religious Myth.

    Anybody that doesn’t believe any small part of the 6 Million Fundamentalist Religious Myth is a religious heretic.

    “A Holocaust Denier”

    Might as well try to say or think something against the Muslim Prophet Muhammed in Saudi Arabia or in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    Yep that’s how it works – the Power of the 6 Million Gassed Jews story/myth:

    1) Stalinist/Orwell “1984” – it’s the Party Line 2+ 2+ 5 (same powers that be are ending basic math in USA Schools because Black African American students to poorly at basic math – but that’s OK, they should all get to go to the best colleges and get powerful jobs to defeat White racism)

    2) Fundamentalist Religious Myth same as the OT Bible

    Those of us oppose this evil power play need to attack the 6 Million Gassed Jews story/myth same as we did Stalinism and bad religions like Creationism.

    I’d enjoy discussing this with any and all fair minded people.

    J Ryan
    The Political Cesspool Radio Show

  227. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Great synopsis. Regardless of claims to the contrary, the SCOTUS is as much an active member of the Deep State as the other two bodies. After all, the President picks a candidate for SCOTUS justice, presents it to the Senate for confirmation, then the charade of impartiality begins.

    As I mentioned on this blog some time back, Andrew Napolitano made the assertion that the SCOTUS was not political. I never read any of his crap again.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  228. Anonimko says:
    @Rich

    “The Jastrebarsko children’s camp held Serb children who had been brought there from various areas of the Axis puppet state, the Independent State of Croatia during World War II. The children had been captured as a result of massacres and counter-insurgency operations conducted by the genocidal Ustaše-led government, its Axis allies and other collaborators since the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia and establishment of the NDH in April 1941. The camp was located in the town of Jastrebarsko, about 37 kilometres southwest of the NDH capital, Zagreb, and operated from 12 July until October 1942. Camp administration was provided by nuns of the Daughters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul order, with Ustaše guards….”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrebarsko_children%27s_camp

    • Disagree: Rich
  229. @Realist

    I could never stand Napolitano. He was a gov’t goon for a long time and then decided after retirement that the gov’t has some issues. He’s not to be trusted because his loyalties sway with the wind direction.

    His style of writing was annoying and I recently learned he’s wired incorrectly.

    • Agree: Realist
  230. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    They control that corpse in the white house because he’s literally surrounded by jews. The last jerk in that spot was run by jews in his family and did a splendid job for Israel as his only real accomplishment.

    Yes, as many on this blog refuse to accept, Trump was a willing enabler of the Deep State. This has been the case with U. S. Presidents for decades.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  231. “But the latest gaff gives us a chance to shine a light”

    Gaffe. A gaff is an iron hook with a handle.

  232. @Realist

    Why people can’t see that the entire Fed Gov is specifically aligned against their best interests is a mystery. The amount of evidence is staggering that administration after administration is hell bent on destroying what little is left of the country. The decades of looting has resulted in a mere shell of what once was.

    The only possible long term survival for the people of the US is to get rid of the Fed Gov and the leaches that are sucking the population dry to transfer all wealth into the hands of a small clique of sociopaths.

    Here’s a rule of thumb to follow: If the gov’t says to do something, do the opposite. If it says not to do something, do it in spades. Do not comply with the wishes of the amoral swine determined to kill you.

    • Replies: @Realist
  233. lavoisier says:

    Whatever happened to “Wally”?

    This is a topic that he never failed to comment on religiously.

    Given his undying support for Zion Don, I wonder if he may be one of the poor bastards caught up in the FBI dragnet on January 6th?

  234. druid55 says:
    @Charles

    On FOX a lot! Sickening Lies !

  235. Mackie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    That’s why I am talking about Yugoslav, and not about republic censuses”

    Why would you do that if the events being discussed here only occurred in the Independent State of Croatia, and not on the entire territory of Yugoslavia?

    By incorporating demographic data from the entire Yugoslavia, you would effectively dilute any demographic changes caused by the genocide in Croatia.

    As for population of post WWII Yugoslavia, this was a result of deaths, postwar baby-boom, and an emigration of certain ethnic groups, like the large-scale emigration of Croats. My understanding is that the Croatian diaspora in Australia is almost entirely a result of Croat post WWII migration..

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  236. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-accuses-israel-assassinating-former-member-parliament

    “Medhat al-Saleh “was martyred as the Israeli enemy targeted him with fire while returning home” on Saturday, according to Sana. The shooting took place in Ain al-Tineh, a village inside Syria overlooking the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights’ Majdal Shams.

    Saleh was killed by gunfire, according to reports, though it was not clear if he was shot from an aircraft or from the ground. Locals told Israeli newspaper Haaretz that there had been a heavy presence of helicopters and drones in Majdal Shams on Saturday.”

    Jews are swine. Jews would love to force us to argue whether this was a zionist or a hasidic or a sephardic or an ashkenazi or a communist assassin who committed this heinous act under the banner of “good for the jews”. This is just as irrelevant to as it was to the Jews if the “Nazi” they were about to murder by hanging at Nuremberg was Catholic, Protestant, Bavarian or Prussian. The reality here is that if ever in all of human history collective guilt was appropriate, it would apply to Jews today. It is simply not sufficient for a Jew to be able to find some shabbez goyim willing to call him a “good Jew” to absolve him of his collective guilt.

    See: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-remembering-the-liberty/ for more proof.

  237. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well, your comment No. 206 earned an answer to this one.

    You took that event out of context. You should’ve taken that level of atrocity within the same era (the post-Cold war period).
    Examples from THAT period show that there wasn’t similar level of atrocity. Or, I haven’t been able to find it. I did look.

    Hehe…before somebody comes with Rwanda I did state “civilized world”.

    So, First Iraqi War, no. First Chechen war….no. Similar ethnic conflicts within ex-Warsaw Pact..no. COIN operations by Western allies and Russians since 2001..no.

    Srebrenica IS unique in such regards.

    And, it’s not just the quality of organization and level of killings. For me, personally, it’s more about “why”, or “what the fuck just happened?!”.
    There was ZERO logic in that atrocity. It was actually AGAINST the interest of Serb nationalistic effort at the time/place. On all levels, from tactical to strategic.

    Well, then, if it wasn’t about logic it was about something else, I guess.
    Sounds …hahaha….logical to me.

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
    , @Commentator Mike
  238. @Mackie

    Are you capable of rational reasoning?

    Yugoslav censuses show the situation as it was; Serbs have grown in the whole country without any Serbian-only territory added, while Croats’ numbers were diminished absolutely.

    If Serbs had been such victims, their numbers would have been either diminished absolutely or would have risen less than Croatian ones, because their fertility was more or less like Croatian, or because of a more widespread primitivity, slightly higher. Croats’ numbers should be at least 200,000 to 300,000 more & they are 14,000 less.

    I don’t have time for trolls & their baloney.

    • Replies: @Mackie
  239. Attacking the Holocaust story is useless. It is like attacking a story of the Bible such as the Flood or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah or the parting of the Red Sea, or the murder of Christ : you will be ultimately answered that facts don’t really matter in that domain, and that only archetypes and narratives count and that you should care for your soul by believing the moral message underlying those stories including that of the Holocaust. You will be answered that even if the historical facts you allege are the right ones, their disclosing will risk justifying millions of real deaths in the future, namely countless holocausts of other peoples, and therefore must be reserved to very confidential documents not accessible to the general public. You will also be answered that America wouldn’t have existed without the firm belief in the stories of the Old Testament and that the same country wouldn’t have survived the 1940’s without believing the Holocaust story. The worst ones you would have to deal with wouldn’t be the Jews proper, who are starting to yawn for the most part when told too much about WWII, but the Evangelicals who voted for Trump.

    On the other side of the political spectrum it would be even worse : you would be answered by San Francisco old-time New Agers spending half of their vacations in Indian ashrams that clinging to historical facts rather than to myths is a perverse passion only West European Whites have shown to be prone to, and only lower-caste ones, and that even Eastern European Whites like the ancient Greeks or the Russians as well as Indian Indo-Europeans have proven to be much wiser by giving credence to myths first, and that attacking beliefs is a far greater act of cruelty than attacking facts. You would be answered that even though your intention is good the fact that it associates you with evil people such as the Taliban who really think that Germany killed to few Jews makes you co-responsible of that evil and that your way of reasoning is not worthy of you 160 IQ : most philosophers who have one of 180, like Plato, consider that the world of facts is not the world of truth as described by the sacred scriptures of so many traditions. When you start crying that those arguments are worthy of George Orwell you will be answered that George Orwell was a real anti-Indian racist and resenter of the first order like Rudhyar Kipling and that what he described as the future totalitarian mentality is in reality the Philosophy Eternal of India which states that the world of historical facts is composed only of lies hiding other lies at infinitum and that your clinging to such facts ties you to your lowest chakra. You will be answered that even superior philosophies such as that of the Dogons or of Credo Mutwa never consider historical documents but base their argumentation on pure structure and that it is ripe time for you to understand that the sources you quote owe their credibility to White privilege only.

    Even the few philosophical antisemites you would appeal to in Eastern Europe or in the Islamic world would tell you to hush because truth must be always concealed to the masses to remain truthful and that the very ambition of publishing facts is typically and perversely Jewish.

    Of course each one of those anwers you would get would cost you millions in legal sanctions, judicial expenses and in high level consultations. In brief there is no solvable demand for your offer of truth and preferring absolute truth to sellable myths has always been un-American from long before 1776 or even 1621.

    [MORE]

    If you want to set right the Holocaust story you have to do away with the US first. Anyway it is actually tantamount to word play. One thing is sure : 11 millions died for various reasons (famine, bombardment, gas or bullet execution for slight misdemeanors, medical experiments…) while doing time for no less various real or imagined offences (black market, ration card cheating, pimping, participating in degenerative art, gay activities, passing from door to door for Jehovah’s witness…) in German-run camps of all sorts during the course of WWII, about the same number who were likewise imprisoned and died of various reasons such as overwork or famine throughout USSR or the greater British Empire, and among these 11 millions +- 0,1 about 55% had been, generally among several labels of infamy and not only that one, labelled “Jewish” (most often a vague Jewish look or mimic was enough) and therefore marked by a star-formed ensign on their uniform rather than by a mere triangle, by a political regime which decided who was a Jew and who wasn’t, though contemporary official sources in Yad Vashem avow that among those about 6 000 000 only 1,3 at most would have qualified to make their aliya, the orthodox religious body agreeing on even lower figures. Yes, the official story is technically true by Nazi standards which were themselves arbitrary, but so what… Many other problems of evaluation arise that make a definite final assessment near impossible, like the main fact that we are always learning bit by bit that more and more of the executions that took place in the German-built camps actually happened under Soviet rather than Nazi guard as the Stalinist policy was that a Russian or even worse a Jewish Russian that hadn’t fought to death before being caught was guilty of surrender and had to be shot as soon as retaken. In those conditions arguing whether gas chambers were a regular mode of execution of undesirables or not, and whether the gas chambers worked well or not given the insulation in such or such camp appears to me as a very futile exercise.

    The problem is not worth the effort of investigation and as France’s infamous JM Le Pen once said (despite the fact he is rather a Reagan-like Zionist on most topics as a controlled opponent) this starts to look like “ancient history” (he told that otherwise pointful remark in the intention to be attacked and make his anti-immigration party lose yet another election). It must be noted that the French law that prohibits discussing the official figure of 6 millions (as if the other 5 millions of the 11 didn’t count) was not passed by a Zionist Jew but by an arch anti-American (and anti-Zionist in a marxist way) old-school communist really embittered by the dissolution of USSR that was then happening, lest more disclosing of the role of Soviet executioners happened in the future.

    It is clear that what is attacked by that prohibition is not even anti-Zionism or the critique of Jewish abuse of power, as Roger Garaudy and then Dieudonné thought, but rational speech in general : radical Muslims that go as far as glorifying the Holocaust in rap songs are never that much prosecuted.

    To me the Holocaust story discussion is a red flag : don’t charge the way they provoke you. The real problem is the existence of America which more and more appears to have been born of a real Faustian pact celebrated in 1776 by Jewish kabbalists at the demand of many masonic leaders : the new people thus proclaimed would renounce to much of its intelligence in exchange for the promise it would be the most affluent in the world for two centuries, after which everything was to be taken back by the kabbalists once the general intelligence would have descended too low to make any reaction possible. To me it was a revolution even more mendacious than that of October 1917 in the greater project of perverting the Western civilisation, and that pervaded the world with even far more lies apart from killing as many people in percentage. The Russian revolution of 1917, even though it was technically a mostly Jewish coup (in Petrograd : elsewhere in Russia that was not so true), not a Russian revolution, would not have been possible without a real desire for a violent, revengeful and murderous revolution that was persasive throughout the greater Russian people and that many great authors such as Chekhov and Dostoievsky saw coming. The American revolution was a revolution in absolutely no way : it was an already privileged and abusive class that conquered more privileges, namely businessmen that wanted to reach the status of new noblemen by removing many traditional freedoms of the kind all Anglo-Saxons had enjoyed traditionally (while proclaiming the more abstract liberties not removed as remarkable innovations), in the name of French philosophical doctrines that purported to crush for good the humbler classes for the exclusive benefit of a self-styled elite of experts, actually it was quite like the declaration of independence of Rhodesia and it took place under a flag that was then identical (13 stars in circle, 13 stripes) with that of the East India Company operated by the Sassoons in the Indian sub-continent that was being ravaged by Clive : legally the EIC was as sovereign a state as the new USA. That is the kind of angle you should attack the real Beast from.

    To me it is clear that the Moonlanding of 1969-72 never took place for the simple reason that by the present state of science humanity doesn’t know any mean to survive the cosmic rays beyond a very low orbit. All what could be done, as now on Mars and around other planets, was sending probes and robots that could perform various tasks better than humans in ideal conditions. Please don’t mistake the Moonlanding adventure for the last triumph of the late great White race : the clearly kabbalistic figures and names used to name each single operation prove that it was led by the very same crowd that runs Hollywood and that the Whites hired as in Hollywood were allowed only stunt actor roles and absolutely no decision making. The aim of that fraud was not even to win any real or fake space race against the Soviets but 1) to hide by a grand achievement the real work that was being done, the installation of a planet-wide surveillance system which since then makes any operation of guerilla or resistance impossible to lead in secret 2) to make sure that then onwards the greater American and Western public could be fed with virtual goods and images and that the production of those for a real high standard of living would be less and less necessary.

    Debunking the Moon race would be far more fruitful, but also far more painful : you would have among others to realize that JFK that officially ordered it never disobeyed the power elites in any way, and that, quite oppositely, he was the first 100% cinema-defined character to get to such a position. There was never one non-obedient head of state in America at any point of its history. JFK was thanks to his timely assassination transfigured into a Tiberius Gracchus like figure he never was : had he survived he would have been remembered as an Irish Obama for Catholics and his main task was to ensure that the Vatican II Council would unravel exactly as demanded by the Bnai Brith. He posed acts so dishonest that he had to be suppressed lest he repent.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  240. @RoatanBill

    There are records that tell the true story, they’re just hard to find. Clearly, you’ve never read a good revisionist book on the holocaust. If you look to Carlos Mattogno, Juergen Graf, Arthur Butz or Germar Rudolf — to name a few that have had the skills and dedication to go into the archives, which most of us don’t have either one or the other — you will find original documents that are not propaganda, or not propaganda/forgeries one can’t see through pretty easily. The effort that has gone into this research is enormous, so for unlearned know-it-alls like you to dismiss it out of hand as unavailable is a travesty.

    Then there’s the fact that those who SAY they were there and experienced it are lying about it. How do I know? There are known facts and realities of how the camps operated, when, where, etc. and these people tell a different story – one they created in their head, or is hearsay, or one they decided to embellish to make it more effective in their Jewish or Polish battle against the “evil Nazis” who didn’t think they were good enough to remain in the German nation. So your whole spiel about having to experience something personally to know whether it did or didn’t happen is nonsense. It’s ignorant. Time to catch up or to retire, Bill.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Badger Down
  241. @Bardon Kaldian

    REFUTE JEWISH FIGURES ?! Does anyone have any faith in Jewish figures, or Jewish/Israeli newspapers or USHMM? I didn’t know you were as bad as all that; I’ve never read your articles or blog. If I were ever curious to do so, I’m not now.

  242. syd.bgd says:
    @peterAUS

    Some hard facts to share On Srebrenica.
    http://us.srebrenica-project.org/

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  243. @Carolyn Yeager

    History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.
    Napoleon Bonaparte

    History would be a wonderful thing, if it were only true.
    Leo Tolstoy

    You must be dense as a brick. Digging through documents and claiming they are true is just an assertion. There is no way to know. Having experienced an event is to absolutely know what happened, in that person’s opinion and thus is still not proof of what actually did happen.

    Since history is written almost exclusively by the victor in any conflict, it is almost always a one sided distortion of what actually occurred. History in the aggregate is always just aged propaganda. To claim otherwise is to believe in unicorns. Even if some documents are true, they may not be the whole truth. There’s no way to know.

    The mere fact that books are written with different viewpoints and opinions should indicate that it is impossible to determine truth. To waste time reading them and then claiming to know what happened is hubris.

    And shove your snarky comments up your ass.

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  244. Mackie says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You’re using demographic data from Serbia to prove there was no demographic decline of the Serb minority in axis-allied Croatia…. Man, that’s genius.

    You take 1948 data without adjusting for
    -Post war baby boom
    -Emigration

    (Both were very common not just of Yugoslavia but of the entire European continent).

    You get an F for methodology.

    “I don’t have time for trolls & their baloney.”

    Good, because I don’t have time for idiots.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  245. peterAUS says:
    @syd.bgd

    Know that site.
    Know the Hague site as well.
    More importantly, have people who know the language.

    So, based on that (horse mouth) correct me if I am wrong, but, didn’t General (then Brigadier) Vinko Pandurevic state that number in one of online interviews? Some members of his Brigade were part of the execution crew.
    And General Mladic lawyer agreed, if I remember correctly.

    See, Serbs fucked up. All the way.
    Firstly, they did it. I guess we could agree it was IDIOTIC. You could’ve “traded” those POWs for a LOT.

    Then, they had been rejecting that fact for years. Removing/reburying the stiffs.

    And, then, it started: 200 (incident with MPs in the Warehouse first)….then 500…..800…that was a hard line to cross I remember…then 1200….then 2000. The LATEST is 2500.
    I guess that’s about it. No need to bicker about numbers, really. Everything above 1000 is a decent number for this chat.

    Question: why?

    I’ll refresh your memory: Mladic to Tolimir. Tolimir to Beara. Beara executed (pun intended) the job. But why?
    Beara would’ve reported the order to his “top” along his service line up to Belgrade. General Dimitrijevic knew. So, why?

    What’s your take on it?
    Some inside game? Inside power play?
    There was a LOT of that going on at the time. as that rift between Mladic and Karadzic. Milosevic/Karadzic before.
    Some inside fraction saw the massacre as an opportunity for…what?

    Or simply “fuck them”.
    Or….payback to the “Turks” for all those centuries? Now or never.

    Combination of above?

    Just curious.

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
  246. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Excellent. I think I have mentioned it before but if you are interested in the U. S. action against foreign nations since WWII try to get a copy of the book The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War by Stephen Kinzer. It is extensive, informative, and very interesting…but at four hundred-sixteen pages, fairly long. The new hardcover is priced in the upper \$50’s, but a softcover or used can be had for much less, electronic format is also much cheaper. As I have said before the U. S. kicked its hegemonic forces into gear just after WWII.

    Many think Eisenhower was against the overthrow of foreign governments…nothing could be further from the truth, he approved the CIA actions against Iran, Guatemala, and Vietnam…perhaps he felt guilty when he warned against the military/industrial complex. There is not one President that has not aided and abetted the Deep State since WWII…some more zealously than others.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  247. syd.bgd says:
    @peterAUS

    Hi, mate,
    Nice to see you around.
    Well, that’s a milion swiss francs question. Maybe Mr. Karganovic might have some hint. I have none.

    But, my point is that Srebrenica and Jasenovac have nothing in common.

    You know us ex-YU folks well and you’ll probably understand that folks from that area are kind of… harsh. It was not revenge for Kravica and other villages only, to my opinion, it was about ww2, and ww1, and what happened before, in B. Kalai’s Bosnia, and previously…

    And for many of people discussing here just a small note. Srebrenica was border town of Independent State of Croatia. Turn your Google maps on, locate it, and take a closer look at borders of present day Croatia. Interesting, ain’t it?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  248. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Any account of Jewish population figures pre- and post-war has to view Soviet figures skeptically, to put it mildly. A good place to start is here:

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/18/still-the-same-topic/

    I notice one of the holo-trolls above speaks of a number of deaths between 4 and 6 million. LOL, that’s not a small difference for “best documented event in history.” (Indeed, the number 6 appears to have some kind of kabbalistic/luciferian significance.) But if we’re going to allow a difference of 2 million, why not go down to 2 million total Jewish deaths (from all causes). That’s at least consistent with German documents and believable accounts. It vitiates the “extermination” narrative, of course, why is why farcical special pleading is relied upon.

    • Agree: John Wear
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  249. peterAUS says:
    @syd.bgd

    Hi, mate,
    Nice to see you around.

    That’s scary:).

    Well, that’s a milion swiss francs question.

    I know. I’ve been hoping to unravel that mystery.

    But, my point is that Srebrenica and Jasenovac have nothing in common.

    Well, they both have that “shocking” element. Feel of Evil, if you will.
    True, the sheer scale and the methods used in Jasenovac can’t be compared to Srebrenica. The later was a picnic; the former a heart of darkness, on the evil scale.
    Still, evil.

    I brought up Srebrenica because it happened in my lifetime and one would expect that we’d know all about it. Actually, I am sure that some players know exactly what happened. Hehe..I actually think I know what happened. Just not “why”. Something is missing there.

    It was not revenge for Kravica and other villages only, to my opinion, it was about ww2, and ww1, and what happened before, in B. Kalai’s Bosnia, and previously…

    Revenge? NOW we are talking.
    I disagree.

    The revenge part was done within first several hours of capture. From the first five seconds to, say, 8th hour, on average, in steep decline.
    That “window” took care of a couple of hundred men, tops. That’s part of a combat cycle and not relevant here.
    That includes breakthrough, taking the city, and fighting along the Muslim’s column escape route.

    Multiple places of surrender, acts of immediate violence and then transport of POWs to holding facilities. All up to the holding facility, yes, it can be considered as “revenge”.

    The point of relevancy starts when one had those POWs already processed by MPs and Security Service and stored at multiple holding facilities.

    Then, there was a lull of a day or two. That lull was then used to organize the mass execution. THAT part of the operation is what I am talking about.

    Multiple Serb COs and OCs REFUSED to participate in the killings. LOCAL people. Not one full unit from local Brigades (even squad) participated in killings. That rules out the “revenge”.

    The CiC team of the kill job was comprised of Bosnian Serb Army Security Services. NOT operations/combat/whatever. Like….NKVD/Red Army.
    The kill teams were brought up from outside of “revenge” zone. Just some individuals and small, informal, groups of local people were, mostly, coerced by Beara and his henchmen to participate in the killings. Those couple of local, willing, executioners were just the usual sociopaths that exist anywhere. Add alcohol and money and there you are, for those individuals.

    So, it wasn’t revenge. It was a well thought out, planned and organized mass slaughter of POWs at the moment when such an act was utterly counterproductive for Serb effort.
    I know “what” and “how”. I’d just like to know “why.
    One day, perhaps:).

    And, no, I don’t want to hijack the thread.
    Jasenovac IS something needing a HARD look at.

    Again, I, personally, think I know “what”, “how” and “why” there.
    That book I listed above is good at that, for starter.

    No point ……..ahm….”discussing/debating” it anywhere. For me, anyway.

    Most people don’t know, don’t care. Those who do are “political” and shall not concede anything which can affect their side of (Balkans), contemporary, politics. So, why bother?!

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
  250. @beavertales

    Are you kidding? Some of the craziest nonsense supporting this nonsense came from the Russians. Given the superlative nature of western state and corporate (where does one end and the other begin?) liars, one can’t really blame the Russians for the 1001 fairy tales vilifying the Germans after what happened on the Eastern Front, but there is no evidence that the fantasy is in any danger currently from some Russo-Chinese quest for reality.

  251. @Anonimko

    I still don’t understand what the problem is.

    The problem is this: “died” or “deaths” do not equal “was killed”:
    https://bloodywellwrite.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/died-vs-was-killed/

    And “murder” is different again:
    https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-killing-and-vs-murder/

    So it is possible that 3m Jews died in the war, 1m of those were killed, and 300,000 were murdered. I’m not saying those are the actual numbers, just that the numbers are different and the words are different. It would be nonsensical to say one million died, three million of whom were murdered.

    You ask about the word “holocaust” I take it literally: holo= whole, wholly, 100%; caust = burnt. If there was a holocaust of the Jews, no Jews are alive today. If you think Jews live, you deny the holocaust. So let’s call it a partiocaust.

    As for Serbs, Croats, and 27m Russians: I have no idea.

  252. @peterAUS

    Maybe not lining them up and shooting them but bombing undefended people from the air is no less a crime. Like say the road to Basra at the end of Gulf War I. Totally unnecessary and uncalled for. And in the other wars little atrocities here and there all add up. But you’re right about Srebrenica playing into the hands of Serb’s enemies to provoke NATO bombing, precisely what they wanted and needed. There are many traitors in that region doing jobs for whoever pays them.

  253. @RoatanBill

    My parents are in their mid 90’s now.

    Is there some way to check that? I mean they say that’s how old they are, and you believe them, and why would they lie, but how about going to the government office and checking the files? I expect you’d find written, official corroboration that they were born on those dates, with name of hospital, names of parents, maybe time and weight of baby. Believe it or not by Robert E. Ripley.

    As for myself, I believe I was born and “I have seen the evidence”, though I have no recollection of that day.

    • LOL: Carolyn Yeager
    • Troll: RoatanBill
  254. @Carolyn Yeager

    An excellent reply. Here’s an example of someone (Irene Zisblatt) making things up:

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
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  255. Weaver says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Unz has an article up on it. I haven’t read the book yet, but I’m aware of it.

    But yea, Putin has Russians openly questioning communism/Bolsheviks. His view seems to be that they didn’t need a revolution like that to create progress. Also, they seem to believe Hitler might not have attacked had they not been Bolsheviks.

    Whether or not Stalin was planning an attack is going to be the divide between Germans and Russians I think. And we should be able to get along if need be despite that divide. I’m a Southerner of Brit descent; my answer has always been that the US shouldn’t have gotten involved with WWII. Easy, low effort answer from me.

    Had Stalin taken Europe, then maybe the US could have attacked him later. The US wasn’t going to help Hitler, of course. But ignore my comments. I’m only explaining my position in things. Also, I am aware the South was eager to war with Germany. No group is perfect, but the South is otherwise close, or was.

    And I appreciate your reply.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  256. @Badger Down

    I have a very thorough investigative article up at cy.net on Irene Zisblatt: https://carolynyeager.net/fifth-diamond-special-jewel-genre-holocaust-horror-stories

    Not so much for you, but for others here who might want to see the way extensive lying is not just tolerated but encouraged in the Holocaust Industry. Irene Zisblatt, the diamond lady, is a prime example. Of course, she was also in the schools telling her stories, for years.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  257. @Weaver

    We were talking about the Holocaust. Putin’s political party passed Russia’s first hate speech laws banning Holocaust denial of any kind; also questioning the national narrative of the Great Patriotic War. I wrote about it when it happened several years ago. Being against Bolshevism or communism is alright because today’s ‘democratic’ Russia/Putin don’t support those things.

    Can they read Suvarov’s books in Russia? I can’t find an answer online to that question. If not, that is definite censorship. No, Russia is not a free as you want to think, but for the most part the people don’t care about that. They have bigger problems to deal with.

    What is the Unz article?

  258. Anonimko says:

    From the intro text:

    – ‘Written by an Australian journalist named David Goldman, the short essay…’
    – ‘Hence Goldman rightly refers to these as “hitherto unheard-of machines.”
    – ‘… to an obscure camp in Croatia is patently absurd, as Goldman points out.’
    – ‘For the journalist Goldman, however, the lies about Jasenovac only “contaminate” the larger Holocaust story…’
    – ‘Goldman’s short essay drew a quick and furious response…’
    – ‘It was published in the Jerusalem Post just two days after Goldman’s original piece.’
    – ‘Goldman’s main beef is with the ad hoc lie of the bone-dissolving machines…’
    – ‘And yet, our intrepid reporter David Goldman has the gall to write…’

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    David Goldman is a FAKE and non-existent person. He is not an Australian journalist. The alleged text assigned to him was published in the ‘Readers Letters’ not as a journalist’s column. This hoax compromises everything what was written in the Intro text.

    Who did this hoax? It is already established that it was done by two Croatian revisionist Ustasha supporters, historians Blanka Markovic and Igor Vukic. Their intention was to negate the Croatian ww2 genocide conducted on Serbs. This intention is continuous, it has been going on for decades, it is supported by Croatian government and it is approved by the all Croats without ANY exemption. The author of the text should apologize for using this hoax to fulfil his agenda and blame his own dumbness for such miscalculation. In his attempt to discredit Zionists and their Holocaust story, he sided, intentionally or not, with Ustasha sympathisers and tried to negate that Serbs were genocide victims to prove the non-existence of 6M Jewish victims. At the mildest, in his big anti-Zionist agenda, Serbs became a collateral damage.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Many people have different opinions about Serbs, but all must recognise their talent to unify all their enemies and make their coalition against themselves. Who is in this seemingly unnatural coalition?

    ZIONISTS – because they try to preserve the exclusivity that Jews were only genocide victims. They think that the term ‘Holocaust’ can be applied only in Jewish case. They consider the mentioning of Serbs as genocide victims as dilution of the Jewish case. This is one of explanations for ferocious, never seen before in human history, Jewish media (NYT, US TVs, etc) anti-Serb campaign for many years, especially during the bombing of Serbia. For e.g. Jasenovac is not mentioned in their US memorial centre because of this reason.

    ISLAMISTS – For centuries, Serbs are on their way to penetrate to Europe and because they support Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Since the 14 c.AC, Serbs with their lives protected Europe from Islam penetration. That is one of the reasons why there are 10 times less Serbs than English although it was the same number.

    VATICAN – Serbs are on their way for more than a thousand of years in their penetration to the East. They forcefully converted many Slavics (e.g. Polish) and use the frontier Slavs (e.g. Croat Ustashas) to do a dirty job for them, created artificial nations (e.g. Romanians created by Jesuits) to separate Serbs from Russians. They falsified the official history and invented non-existent Slavic migration to Balkan without one single evidence.

    COMMUNISTS (Cominterna) – Since Dresden congress (1928), Cominterna has a policy of destroying Serbian ‘hegemonistic’ corpus. During the ww2 communists often allied with Ustashas against Serbian Chetniks and after liberation killed 100 K Serbs (educated, business, respective locals). Marx and Engels wrote the worst things about Serbs and Slavics and supported Turkish occupation of Balkan. Communists invented artificial nations (Macedonians, Bosnians, Montenegrins) and split Serbs in 7 parts, in all except one were minority. For 50 years Croats (Tito) and Slovenes controlled the government with help of artificial, anti-Serb orientated ‘nations’, what finally led to the civil war during 90-ies with strong assistance from US, Germany, English.

    US LIBERALS – They consider Serbs as a danger for US interests because they have resisted all aggressors in the past, they promote national interests and give bad example to small nations by resisting corporatisation of the world. It is pathetic that G.Bush father organised a national security meeting at 4 am in the morning to sign the act that Serbs were a threat to US national security. It should be mentioned that Zionists are the backbone of ‘Liberals’ and ‘Communists’.

    ENGLISH – they also have for centuries anti-Serbian politics, support all Serbian enemies, especially islamists, use every opportunity to divide nations, organise assassinations of leaders, falsify history and basically, behind the scenes organised both world wars where stupid Germans executed the British politics and became a canon fodder by attacking Russians. There is almost no nation in the world which was not subjected to British aggression and multiple genocides. English also hide in their historiography the existence of Jasenovac.

    GERMANS – they hate Serbs because they lost two wars against them. The paradox is that the most of Germans are ethnically Serbs (e.g. Prussians, Leibnitz, Martin Luther, Empress Katarina, etc) which were Germanised in the past. Almost the entire East Germany was populated by Serbs and there are still many Serbian toponyms (Berlin, Lubeck, Dresden, Leipzig, Brandenburg-Branibor, etc).

  259. Weaver says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/

    Suvorov is mentioned – different spelling from yours but same guy.

    I see now what you mean about Putin. I was unaware. I’m fairly certain he is read in Russia, Suvorov I mean.

    Wiki suggests he is, or was, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov)

    I can’t cut and paste on this tablet, but near the bottom of that page is the “public reception” section. Read that for an answer which might be true or not.

    Amazon offers an Icelandic translation, wow. Amazon USA seems to reference unavailable Russian editions. I want to try reading the Icelandic version…

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  260. Weaver says:
    @Anonimko

    Dr. Srdja Trifkovic seems to like the Brits OK. I wonder if Epstein made Clinton bomb “Nazi” Serbia.

    I’m surprised by what you say of Germany being historically Serbian.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  261. @Schuetze

    ‘…Denial of the holy 6 million is denial of the “Holocaust”.’

    Doesn’t Raul Hilberg plump for 5.1 million?

  262. The Soibs have pushed their own Holohoax narrative so far, and Croatia’s grey emminence, Džu Ivo Goldstein, has been consumed by hubris while caught, time and again, spouting lamp-shadesque and skin-belt-esque fantastical lies—thus organized Džury had to throw the Jasenowitz myth to the dogs. It doesn’t hold water and it never did.

    They had to 86 it and nix Jasenowitz mythology because they know—boy do they now—that the entire Holohoax industry is hinged on the Jasenowitz fable. All one would have to do is research the lies about Jasenowitz to quickly realize what a fricking lie all of Holocaustanity is. And that’s why they’ve sacrificed it—after all these years—so to reinforce, not weaken, the rest of the Holohoax script. “The Soibs are lying (and they are), but we Džus ain’t!”

    [MORE]

    In the ‘90s, not a day went by without the Džu York Times claiming 700,000 Soibs, Džus and Đipsies were killed at Jasenowitz alone. All this went on while the Soib juggernaut was carving up Bosnia & Croatia and before that made a half-ass attempt at Slovenia.

    To be clear, the Soibian imperialist wars of the ‘90s almost perfectly match the wars in the Independent State of Croatia. Same actors, same armies, same irredentists sans the German and Italian occupiers. The Croats, not the Soibs, suffered the brunt of Džu Josef Walter Weiss’s genocidal policies. The Croats and the ethnic Germans who lived in Croatia for centuries. Tito completely eradicated the German ethnic populace while killing roughly 700,000 Croats. Yep, you guessed it, the same fricken number Džu Tito, his commies and the wily Soibs—to this day—claim the ustaše commited against Soibs. All of this occurred beginning in May 1945. And, unlike the Soibs and Džus, Croats have forensic and irrefutable evidence that proves genocide against them and the ethic Germans. 1,800 mass graves filled with bones stretching from Austria (Bleiburg) all the way down to what is today North Macedonia. 1,800 mass graves, most of which have been sondered but not fully excavated.

    What do the Džus and Soibs have? Tall tales. And that’s about it. 70+ years of lying on a global scale. The 70+ years of Džu/Soib lying is equivalent to the Džu York Times omitting/concealing the Holodomor in Ukraine, or pinning the Katyn Massacre on Germany. A simple switcharoo job, and nothing else.

    The Soibs are mad-men. They are genocidal, belong to a satanic cult (aka the Soibian Orthodox Choich) and are, through and through, a boot-legged people. As their, in essence, no such thing as Soibs. They are medieval Croat, Bulgar, Wallachian and Turkic refuse. Their entire postmodern identity is hinged on 3 factors: 1) Disparraging Croats as national sport and at every turn 2) Claiming the entire global populace is originally Soibian 3) The Jasenowitz mythos/ethos

    –1Take one of the 3 away, and the Soibs cease to exist. Their tennis player, Novak Đoković, is born of a Croat mother and Montenegrin father.

    —Their current bull-dyke Prime Minister is part Croat

    —Their President Vučić is the spawn of an Albanian

    Their leader in Bosnia has Croat-catholic ancestors who were as far back as only 80 years ago Croat and Catholic. Milorad Dodik (Dodig)is one of the staunchest supporters and promulgators of Jasenowitz mythology. Makes sense

    I could go on for hours, but this should suffice for anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of the history of South-Eastern Europe in the past 100 years.

  263. @Mackie

    Incapable of a rational thought.

    EOD

  264. @Anonimko

    ZIONISTS
    ISLAMISTS
    VATICAN
    COMMUNISTS (Cominterna)
    US LIBERALS
    ENGLISH
    GERMANS

    • LOL: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Anonimko
  265. @Carolyn Yeager

    Hi Carolyn, just wanted to let you know that Raches is vindictively refusing to allow my comments to appear in that other thread, where I was talking about my criticism of Greco-Roman depictions of the human form and discussing my turn to anti-natalism. This will give other commenters the false impression that I’m not replying because I have no answers, when in fact I’m still here and have plenty. Seems like a very dishonourable tactic, doesn’t it? Hardly befitting of an ubermensch. Was that also where I was talking to you and John Wear about the Polish diplomats and the midnight ultimatum? I can’t remember, but if it was, I won’t be able to respond there anymore. Mods with chips on their shoulders are the bane of my life.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  266. Dash it all.

    They never killed as many as claimed in the holocaust yet this author or anyone else cannot say exactly how many were killed.

    That then means both sides are lying.

  267. knowmore says:
    @smiddy012

    The crypto Rothschild accusation is based on 3 or 4 data points that have other explanations. I don’t believe he was a British agent simply for the fact that he demonstrated fierce loyalty and courage during WWI. He volunteered for hazardous duty running messages between trenches on the front lines under heavy fire. He was wounded by shrapnel and returned to the front, voluntarily, as soon as he was able and he was wounded again by British poison gas and was still in hospital when the war ended. He started the National Socialist party with only 6 other men and they were stalked and viciously attacked by communist gangs, he was thrown in jail for his politics and even wrote Mien Kampf in jail.

    Courage and a willingness to endure great hardship are not qualities one finds in a traitor. And what would he have gained for sacrificing his nation? A pile of money? He was a man of conscience and the people loved for him for his authenticity, his courage and intelligence.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  268. @Anonymous

    Awesome website, Dude! Paljon kiitoksia!

  269. @Carolyn Yeager

    Suffer the children!
    To educate, or not?
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=us+holocaust+education+&t=h_&ia=web
    To anyone who thinks the “holocaust” is ancient history: know that young minds are being scarred now, in 2021.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  270. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    “In his attempt to discredit Zionists and their Holocaust story, he sided, intentionally or not, with Ustasha sympathisers and tried to negate that Serbs were genocide victims”

    Back in my hippy days we had another expression for Karma, it was “What Comes Around, Goes Around”. It is also similar to the biblical “what ye sow, so shall ye reap “.

    Serbs started two world wars and twice tried to genocide all their neighbors, the Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians, Hungarians, Bulgarians and Albanians. In short, the Serbs stabbed every other country in the Balkans in the back after having dragged them into two world wars.

    But wait, it isn’t over yet. In 1990, the Serbs, under Milosivec, decided that if the other peoples of Yugoslavia, who had been chained into the communist slave state by Tito and Stalin, didn’t want to remain in this forced marriage, that the Serbs would take the military that the Serbs controlled, and all the cold war weapons, and wage genocidal war of ethnic cleansing on all their neighbors. Slovenia got away relatively unscathed, but Croatia, Bosnia and all the “Yugoslavs” of Albanian descent bore the brunt of the Serbian blood lust. Many thousands of Hungarians are still stuck within the borders of Serbia, and no doubt they would secede in a moments notice given the chance to do so without having to face Serbian sadists.

    So when Clinton and Albrecht pried the Serbian claws off of the necks of the rest of the “Yugoslavian” tribes in 1991-5, it was just Karma finally getting back to the Serbs, in a fashion similar to what happened to them in 1914 and 1941. Once again Serbians were taught a lesson, and once again they are butt hurt and behaving like the self-declared perpetual victims, the Jews. I say this as a person who despises everything to do with Clinton. But as they say about stopped clocks, Karma is a bitch.

    To paraphrase a famous saying about Jews and applying to to Serbs:

    “The Serb will always tell you what happened to him, but never why”

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  271. Anonimko says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Says who? An Ustasha supporter, a member of one primitive group without history, without language, without moral, without shame, which has only hatred toward Serbs. Why primitive? For those who yesterday fell from Mars, it is enough to see few photos above to see something what can be considered as the shame and the lowest level of human civilisation. As I predicted, there was no ONE Croats who would be denouncing Ustashas, one of the most barbaric groups in human history. Such primitivity and not one voice of dissent can be found only among Albanians who use this as a comparative advantage to become world leaders in narco-trafficking. Anyway, you have already got a mental diagnosis couple comments above.

    • Replies: @anon
  272. Anonimko says:
    @Weaver

    Big topic. It is a part of hidden or less known history. Even Hitler confessed that many Germans are of Slavic origin. Serbs had kingdoms in today’s northern Germany (e.g. king Pribislav, etc). If you know a little bit of genetics it is much simpler. There are still about 60 K original Serbs in Germany. They were for centuries subjected to germanization, discrimination and genocides. Hitler killed 90% of Serbs in Germany. But now, Germans publish maps of Germany with original Slavic names. Germans called Serbs – Wends. More about this when appropriate topic comes. What I mentioned above is not just black&white, there are so many nuances.

    https://sorbisches-museum.de/museum/?lang=en#geschichte

  273. Anonimko says:

    In the context of Jasenovac, the following can be indicative:

    “In the first half of the 17th century, Europe coined a slogan-curse that reads: “God save us from plague, famine and Croats!” This shameful mark for an entire nation surfaced on the European surface during the Thirty Years’ War of 1618-1648. g. which was conducted between European Catholics and Protestants. This religious war can freely be considered in history the First General European War in which certain regions of Central Europe remained literally devastated, and the Germans suffered the most convincingly. After this war, it is estimated that about one third of the German population was killed, and in some German areas even up to 90 percent.

    European outrage, and especially German, against Croats and their crimes remained in documented form as the above-mentioned inscription on the cathedral in the East German city of Magdeburg, which during the Thirty Years’ War was the first European city to feel the sadistic being of Croats on its skin and streets. which will come to full expression in Jasenovac and other execution sites during the Second World War 1941-1945. g. but also after that during the 1991-1995 civil war. One testimony about Croatian atrocities from the time of the Thirty Years’ War, in which Croats served their Viennese Catholic masters, was also recorded by a Swedish general who noted that the Swedes found baby heads placed on pickets in a Croatian military camp.”

    • LOL: Schuetze
  274. syd.bgd says:
    @peterAUS

    Well, tnx for the answer/questions.

    That ‘mate’ thing is aconto our previous… debates, let me use that neutral 🙂 also because I really enjoy relaxing by those gold hunters on Explorer Channel :). I got used to Aussienglish.
    It is kind of wired to write about this topic while playing Grateful Dead ‘Sugar Magnolia’ into my headset, ain’t it? Anyway…
    Whoever you are, you’re not amateur, I got it all right from your knowledge of moonshine brands in exYu diaspora and your very probable field experince. I can’t help your reserch, unfortunatelly, I’m not Naser Oric, but I might give you and others some perspective. Might, as a historian.
    Your obvious military counterinteligence? education might be a basis for understanding that ‘harsh folks’ remark I’ve posted previously. I AM aware of possible setup – even Frenki Simatovic used to be on CIA paylist – but that’s not direction I’d like, or rather might, go to.
    I just wanted you to pay attention to growth of idea that crime pays off. In Srebrenica and Podrinje in general: the very people who slained US will, after the war, will be promoted to meirs or some thing. The’ve decimated us every 50 years, and we will not give them an opportunity to do that again. That is the point of German / Western support for Croats and Moslems, as it was understood at the time. How come that all the West, German, Brits, Yenks support not Serbs, but those who were on A/H and later Nazi side?

    Just look at that Jasenovac bussines. Now the Texas jerk shits on Serbian bones to question Holocaust data, rather, precission of the data.
    Now comes a question for you and your investigation: how come that Nazi concentration camp Sajmiste in the very center of present Belgrade, at the time in Independent State of Croatia, is not marked at all? Not even today? Donja Gradina burrial pits are available for forensics, but nobody digs?

    Your turn.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  275. @Anonimko

    Since the 14 c.AC, Serbs with their lives protected Europe from Islam penetration.

    You should review the battle of Nikopolis. A huge multinational European army on land and fleet at sea converged on the Ottomans at Nikopolis and had victory snatched from their grasp by a small detachment of Serbian cavalry which rode in to defeat the crusaders and save Bayazit’s ass, just 10 years after the battle of Kosovo. Don’t they teach you this at school?

  276. @Anonimko

    I’m a little intrigued by those Croats at Magdeburg. I’ve heard that Krajina Serbs were the troops and police in Croatia under the Austrians, a kind of privileged status, compared to Croats who were confined to more lowly positions like stable hands. Austrians used the Serbs to guard the borders from the Ottomans but would have used them in their other wars and for suppressing civil disobedience and popular uprisings, like say in 1848. Are you sure that those “Croats” weren’t perhaps Croatian Serbs?

  277. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Francis Miville

    Francis Miville – yes, you have grasped the key fact:

    The 6 Million Gassed Jews is Fundamentalist Religion – same as the ethnographies centric Jewish myths of the Jewish Old Testament Bible.

    But, I think you are being too defeatist. Most people in the West/USA/Europe no longer believe these Old Testament Jews myths in their Bible are honest history, backed by science.

    Just look at that Cecil B Demille Movie “The Ten Commandments” with the scene of the pillar of fire and the parting of the Red Sea. That’s ridiculous to believe that’s honest history, backed by science. Might as well believe WWF fake wrestling is real, ore the lies of the Neo Conservative Zionists justifying their/our wars, interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan are real.

    We can and should attack the official 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust Myth as very bad, dishonest religion – Liberals who dismiss Bible Fundamentalist “Creationists” can be reached to take apart this other more deadly ethnocentric religious myth the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust.

    Please correspond with me:

    Jackryanod (at) protonmail (dot) com

  278. @Zumbuddi

    “ And given that you’ve written the same post-article about a hundred times, make it an encyclopedia. Or a long-running series!”

    Well, it is said that repetition can teach a donkey. I am positive the comment was not meant for smart people like you. And BTW, has anyone bothered to rebut fact with fact if the commenter is so redundant.

    The Holocaust story has been drilled into my head since my school years and reinforced by many relatives and friends for more than I can count. It is a pity that my faith in the story has began to wane after foolishly exposing myself to revisionists like the late Dr. Robert Faurisson, Ernest Zundell and Eric Hunt. Those people were a great distress to my life because they constantly pushed me into thought crime by doubting the Holocaust which makes me feel very insecure. So if you could help me restore my dwindling faith in the Holocaust, I would be much obliged.

  279. @mephisto

    “ Such is the power of the Jews.”

    More like such is the naivety if the sheeple who were indoctrinated to the point of totally failing to think for themselves.

  280. @anarchyst

    “A good method to use on those who are engineering and scientific types is to use basic scientific principles to bolster the impossibility of “gas chambers” without ventilation systems or “gas-tight doors” (that swing the wrong way making retrieval of the bodies impossible), to the “size” of the “gas chambers” which will demolish claims as to the quantity of people “gassed” at one time.”

    You could also point out that Zyklon B pellets,once activated, release cyanide fumes for 12 hours. 12 hours is the minimum time that you could have in between gassings unless Germans had hazmat suits and portable sealed breathing apparatus which were never recovered from any supposed “death camp”. They would have to have those even if they sent in their vast extensive sonderkommando team of Dario Gabbai,his brother,and two of his cousins who all mysteriously survived the gas chambers just like everyone else who was in the camps.

    Then there’s the fact that for years they said that the Zyklon B gas came out of the showerheads. The same showerheads that other jews said water came out of. You mentioned that you’re an engineer so maybe you could explain that gas and water don’t go through the same pipes and fittings. Otherwise,there wouldn’t be separate pipes for gas and water,you could just run one pipe around your house and get your propane and your water out of the same pipe.

    Then there’s the weird jewish claim that every jew in any camp during WW2 met,and was experimented on,by Dr. Mengele, who apparently was not subject to the same physical laws as the rest of us and didn’t need to sleep,shit,bathe,or eat and was able to teleport from camp to camp in order to just about have enough time to do an hour or two hour long unnecessary medical procedure on all 6 million jews who survived the “holocaust”.

    But honestly,one of the best ways to pique someone’s curiosity is just to play them a recording of the multiple jews who claim they were able to escape the final solution plan to exterminate all the jews in Europe by simply walking backwards out of the gas chamber they were in. Then ask the person you’re talking to “Are you willing to take this dude’s word for the rest of the shit he says after hearing that? Yes or no?”.

    • Replies: @lee
  281. @Hitler was a poofter

    “They never killed as many as claimed in the holocaust yet this author or anyone else cannot say exactly how many were killed.”

    I can tell you exactly how many jews were killed during World War 2 as part of a coordinated plan by Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP to exterminate the entirety of jewry in Europe using wooden gas chambers disguised as shower rooms. ZERO.

    You’re the ones making the claim that Germans had that plan,you’re gonna have to give me something better than “Dey used a secret coad when dey said transited to da east.” or “Dey trew da Zyklon b pellets trew holes dey cut in da roof with a sawzall instead of building an actual gas chambah because da Nazis wanted to keep it a secret dat dey were antisemitic.”

    • LOL: Arthur MacBride
  282. @Schuetze

    But as they say about stopped clocks,

    But a working clock goes round and round. I’m all for a speeding clock moving ever faster and let the fascists and neo-Nazis have another go at their Thousand Year Reich. Let them show their heads to get chopped down and wiped out yet again. And let them bring as many homos, Jews and Muslims into their fold, as they did originally and do now in the Ukraine, to get wiped out together with them so that humanity can finally wipe its ass with all this verminous scum. The wheels of time keep turning and karma sure is a bitch but you’ve got it wrong about who has accumulated the most of it, blinded by your own ignorance, hatred and narrow-minded prejudice. Nothing wrong about that but just keep it in the confines of your own Germania instead of trying to impose your alleged superiority over others who neither like you nor want you in their midst. That’s what borders are for, especially to keep Germans in Germany.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  283. @Autisticus Spasticus

    Thanks, it’s good to know this. I agree that when a commenter is prevented from REPLYING to further comments addressed to him/her, that is egregious. The best thing about UR is that this seldom happens. It’s never happened to me. But it’s a different story at The Occidental Observer (TOO), where the moderator is like the Pretorian Guard protecting the fragile Kevin MacDonald from any perceived criticism. I DON’T know if KMac knows what he does, or maybe doesn’t care to know. I’m now unofficially banned there, with my last 6 or so comments not published. One was a simple “Thank you” to a long-time favored commenter there who had (surprisingly) complimented me! So your last line is dead on right, in my experience. I’m not sorry because I was wasting my time there, anyway … same as I sometimes do here, lol. But at times it seems productive.

    I had doubts whether Raches would post both my 1st and 2nd comments criticizing his wish to play the role of “Hitler-3rd Reich” spokesperson or booster. So I credit him for doing so. However his answers/replies are unworthy and dishonest. He is unable to face up to any constructive criticism and give a constructive answer — he must vigorously defend himself from everything he perceives as a slight.

    P.S. I know what I wrote about the Polish diplomats was 100% historically correct, so I’d be interested to know how you replied to it. As I recall, all you had was some vague hearsay.

  284. Schuetze says:
    @Commentator Mike

    LOL. I am not German, your spittle missed the target. I am a citizen of a country that had the most to lose if it had been conquered by Germany, but managed to remain neutral throughout the war.

    You, just like Anonimko, know little about what you speak.

    Just because one is a racist, that does not mean that one has any malice or wishes ill to another race based on “inferiority” or any other Jewish racial sin projected onto the Germans. This is something that you cannot seem to get through your Jew addled brain. Take the SS as an example:

    The Red Rapist Army was devoid of racial pride. The Red Rapist Army was just a giant clump of Kalergian Communists hell bent on Rape, Plunder and escaping the wrath of their sadistic Jewish Kommisars.

    Germany was fighting communism, not other races, not even Jews, and certainly not Serbs. Anonimko even blames the Germans for killing communists, their sworn enemies whom they had declared war on.
    Hitler even said it himself, the only problem with jews was that they stick together like a clump of burrs. You cannot separate the “good jews” from the stinking communist ones.

    Unfortunately, the English, like the Serbs, still cannot get this into their thick skulls. And even more unfortunately, all of humanity suffers because of it, but the English and the Serbs suffer even more.

  285. @Schuetze

    LOL! Brotherly love and good will to all nations must have been a slogan of the Nazis.

  286. @Schuetze

    BTW I know all that and that’s what I’m saying.

    That headline in a Brit paper is total bollocks and you know it. So some Jew shopkeeper in Odessa had declared war on Germany and deserved to have the Nazis search the length and breadth of Europe to find him and cart him and his family off to some concentration camp. Give me a break.

    Sure I’d love to see a proper quaint Nazi Germany so when I visit I can go drinking with genuine German Nazis instead of what, or rather who, I have to put up with on the streets there. As I said borders are to keep the Germans in, inside Germany, and everybody else out, outside of Germany, other than of course genuine tourists who want to go drinking with Hugo Boss wearing locals in bierkellers and saluting as is customary among such gents, keeps the germs away instead of these unhygienic handshakes.. But the problem is that supremacists don’t know when to stop: today Berlin tomorrow the world! Drunk on good beer, fiery speeches and their own delusions of grandeur. Perhaps Germans realise that and so want to bring their own demise with the kind of politics they pursue, whether as Nazis or as liberal democrats, ultimately always leading to their own destruction.

  287. @Weaver

    Icebreaker was Suvorov’s first book. The Chief Culprit came out later and is the one I have and read, wrote and podcasted about. It just goes a little farther than Icebreaker. But there’s no Wikipedia entry for it. It’s possible that Putin’s Russia changed it’s mind about Suvorov in the interval. I don’t think that Wiki entry on Icebreaker is up to date.

    I think you should read The Chief Culprit rather than Icebreaker as it’s more complete. It’s on Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/TheChiefCulpritStalinsGrandDesignToStartWorldWarIi-ViktorSuvorov

    • Agree: John Wear
  288. Schuetze says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “some Jew shopkeeper in Odessa had declared war on Germany”

    As I said above, you don’t know what you are talking about:

    [MORE]

    The truth here is that it was this boycott by US and UK jews that drove Hitler into the hands of the Zionists and lead to the Havarra agreements. Perhaps that was the real goal of the Jews when they tried to starve Germans for a second time just 14 years after their attempted genocide of Germany in 1919.

    Of course the “Hitler was a Rothschild” Hasbara gang will claim that the Havarra agreements were proof that Hitler was in cahoots with the Zionists, but by all appearances this entire debate is way above your pay scale.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  289. @Commentator Mike

    So some Jew shopkeeper in Odessa had declared war on Germany and deserved to have the Nazis search the length and breadth of Europe to find him and cart him and his family off to some concentration camp. Give me a break.

    You need a break alright. You couldn’t be more wrong, and more silly as a commenter., but I know your game is just to undermine anything non-communist. History KNOWS that the Big Jews, the millionaire-billionaire bankers, the Jews in high political positions around the world, the Zionist Jews were united, and were already organized before 1933 against the Hitler menace which they had thought would never actually come. When it did, they were ready and THIS was their first public declaration.

    It is not a joke. Nor is the other headline 14 years later. Schuetze is doing a good job of presenting the true picture and you are no match for him.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  290. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Huh? Shopkeeper in Odessa? Hunting him down? What the fuck are you talking about? Try to make sense for once.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  291. Schuetze says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Raches is an arrogant prick. I knew so from the moment he appeared suddenly in the UR commecnts and was instantly given the golden shower treatment on his comments, which were far too wordy, far too long, and far too rambling.

    I tried commenting on his blog, but his imbecillic baiting was instantly overwhelming.

    To me the real question is why such a mediocre writer and analyst would be picked up so quickly and promoted by Ron Unz.

    It think that the answer lies in your typical and age old Jewish Nepotism. Raches, or his rich daddy or mommy, has some kind of blood or business connection with Ron Unz, and this is how Ron Unz is paying this hidden hebrew tax. Raches reminds me of some mediocre JAP who gets a job singing through her father. An Amy Winehouse of sorts.

  292. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    “was also recorded by a Swedish general who noted that the Swedes found baby heads placed on pickets in a Croatian military camp.”

    You do not provide any supporting links or evidence for this assertion. Warfare back then was very brutal. Vlad the impaler, IIRC a Serb, got his name how? Propaganda was also rampant, just as it is today. Here is some equivalent anti-German propaganda created in 2011 by genocidal Hebrew Hollywood and used in a never ending stream of anti-German hate:

    “This is a picture from the 2011 Movie Auschwitz. There are thousands of idiots propagating this as history, and tens of millions of idiots who believe it.

    Note: This was originally posted as a response to a meme (black and white), which seems to be removed. I added the picture from the movie, which is used in countless memes, typically in black and white.”

    I love the first comment:

    “Camera man is kind of right in line with the shot too. Liable to take one off the foot!”

  293. @Schuetze

    “I tried commenting on his blog, but his imbecillic baiting was instantly overwhelming.”

    My experience also.
    “Raches” has joined Fred Reed in entries I don’t access.

    For oppposite reasons —
    FR has contentless goofball rambling,
    Raches is a Hyena and an arrogant prick as you say.

  294. Nancy says:
    @Avery

    Reminds me of the ‘fable’ of Jesus and Satan walking together, when Jesus drops something. Satan asks, ‘What is that?” and Jesus answers, ‘Truth.” “Oh, let me organize that for you,” offers Satan…. as indeed he did and does, ‘weaponizing’ the best of intentions It’s a conundrum, how to ‘fight fire with fire’ without becoming the evil you are challenging.

  295. peterAUS says:
    @syd.bgd

    Your turn.

    Thank you.

    I can’t help your reserch, unfortunatelly, I’m not Naser Oric, but I might give you and others some perspective. Might, as a historian.

    Well, the people/chain I am interested in are:
    Line 1: Mladic–>Tolimir–>Beara
    Line 2: Beara–>Dimitrijevic

    I AM aware of possible setup – even Frenki Simatovic used to be on CIA paylist – but that’s not direction I’d like, or rather might, go to

    That idea has been floated around. Mr. Kovac was/is quite outspoken there. That’s why that “Line 2” above.

    How come that all the West, German, Brits, Yenks support not Serbs, but those who were on A/H and later Nazi side?

    Well…it’s a bit more complicated than that I am sure you are aware of.
    Bluntly: if your side had gone “capitalist” and not being stuck, with Milosevic regime, on “socialist”, perhaps things would’ve gone differently. Perhaps.
    Your problem was Milosevic (or it’s his wife……). Look, learn, from Tudjman.
    He had no problem switching, when “asked”, from annihilating Muslims in Herzegovina to working together with them, against you. He recognized the MOMENT. A good leader must be able to do that. Milosevic wasn’t that type.
    But that’s not the topic I am willing to discuss in this forum and this very topic. If….if you want to talk about it, well, here is my email address:
    [email protected]

    Now comes a question for you and your investigation: how come that Nazi concentration camp Sajmiste in the very center of present Belgrade, at the time in Independent State of Croatia, is not marked at all? Not even today? Donja Gradina burrial pits are available for forensics, but nobody digs?

    I am not sure I understand the question?!
    You could try to clarify it and we could go from there. That E-mail, please, not here.

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
  296. syd.bgd says:
    @peterAUS

    Fair enough. Tnx. Mailing you soon. Now Atletico Madrid 2 Liverpool 2. Second half,
    Griesman out.

  297. Oracle says:

    Contest idea: engineers (or laymen) with an appreciation for science fiction could design a bone dissolving machine. Then publish winners, runners up, honourable mentions. The results could be quite amusing.

  298. @Schuetze

    Could very well be. I’m only going to reply to what he actually says. But last I looked, I have two rather short replies to his last two to me waiting for ‘moderation’, still there after about 4 hours. Maybe he’s huddling with Ron Unz, or waiting to do so. I’d say he doesn’t know what to do — I think he’s really up s–ts creek w/o a paddle. I was not trying to do this to him, but he did it to himself.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  299. @Carolyn Yeager

    I just checked and they’re published. So I’m pleased with that. He made the right decision.

  300. PKZ says:

    I am Croat but I will try to be unbiased as much as possible.
    Long story short, Jasenovac camp is the MAIN reason Serbs started the war in 1991. that broke Yugoslavia. They wanted the revenge against Croats for 700000 Serbs killed in Jasenovac and 400000 Serbs killed elsewhere.
    The problem is, very few human bones have been found around Jasenovac, as well elsewhere. Also, victims of Jasenovac could have not been thrown in Sava river, because downstream the Jasenovac camp was pontoon bridge, which was literally floating on the river at the town of Stara Gradiska (google: Igor Vukic most Stara Gradiska).
    No functioning crematorium had been installed in Jasenovac.

    Jasenovac camp story was made up soon after WWII in order to get war reparations from Germany.

    The main thing is, Serbs would have never started the war in Yugoslavia if they didn’t believe in Jasenovac story. And Jews, who are moral authority of western world, didn’t allow for Jasenovac story to be examined. And they still don’t allow it.
    All deaths, rapes and ethnic cleansing during Yugoslavia breakup could have been avoided.
    So, lies about history aren’t just benign academic fallacy. They can cause the wars.
    And the new war is about to come. I hope it starts soon enough, so I can go to war, not my young boys.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Schuetze
  301. peterAUS says:
    @PKZ

    Oh boy….

    Now, before this becomes the usual…”debate“………:

    ..the new war is about to come….

    Curious. Why would you say that?

    • Replies: @PKZ
  302. Boy, them Jews sure are a pack of liars. They even have lies encompassing their whole people. Lies that none of their people will correct or denounce. Because they have completely opposite values and morals than Christians do.

    All nations would be well served to proscribe Jews from walking among them. We know them by their fruits. Which are legion.

  303. L.K says:
    @Weaver

    In Russia, Putin allows historical debate, allows people to read what really happened.

    Perhaps the above statement is an honest mistake, but it is nevertheless completely FALSE.
    After the fall of the Soviet Union, a considerable degree of freedom to exercise the historical profession in regards to WW2 did indeed come into being, BUT it did not last long. The so called New Russian Historians were poking too many holes into the great patriotic war mythology…

    In the 2018 book ‘Law and Memory: Towards Legal Governance of History’, chapter 14( Defending Stalinism by Means of Criminal Law ), Russian historian Nikolay Koposov writes:

    On 5 May 2014, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin signed a law that introduced criminal liability for ‘infringements on historical memory with regard to the events of the Second World War’. That law added the following article to the Penal Code of the Russian Federation:

    Article 354.1 Rehabilitation of Nazism

    The denial of facts established by the Judgment of the International Military Tribunal for the trial and punishment of major war criminals of European countries of the Axis, the approval of crimes established by the above-mentioned Judgment, as well as dissemination of knowingly false information on the activities of the USSR during the Second World War, committed publicly, are punishable by a fine of up to three hundred thousand roubles… or by deprivation of liberty for up to 3 years.”

    The law also increases the punishment to up to 5 years of imprisonment if ‘the same deeds[have been] committed with the use of one’s official position or through the mass media, as well as with an artificial fabrication of prosecution evidence’.

    In fact, the Russian authorities have been blocking something as innocuous as the attempts of Russian researchers to determine the REAL scope of Soviet military losses, in particular, irrecoverable ones… and that seems to be just done out of a sense of false pride or something, since they won the war.

    • Thanks: John Wear, Schuetze
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Weaver
  304. Anonimko says:

    “… In that capacity, General Glaise von Horstenau, the German High Command’s observer, complained to his superiors about the demoralizing effects of working with the Ustashas.

    His report detailed atrocities such as floggings and executions carried out on Serbs that left his officers speechless. The general complained about having to be a “mute witness” to the cleansing going on in Sarajevo and Zagreb.

    Things got so bad that an attaché for the Gestapo — the Nazi secret police known for its own brutality — wrote to SS leader Himmler:

    “The Ustashas committed their deeds in a bestial manner not only against males of conscript age, but especially against helpless old people, women, and children. The number of the Orthodox that the Croats have massacred and sadistically tortured to death is about three hundred thousand.”

  305. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    LOL I used to believe that and cherish it but that’s just more Serb bs. If that much Serbs died then Serbs would have had hardly any power demographically to control all of Yugoslavia thereafter. Serbs today would be less than a million since you have abysmal birth rate as is. It’s all myth which is typical of Serbs including their Kosovo myth. Serbs are professional victims, frauds, and generally unpleasant people that think they’re hot shit. You are like negroes and Jews, less violent than negroes, less cunning than Jews but just as unpleasant.

    • LOL: Schuetze
  306. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    > Such primitivity and not one voice of dissent can be found only among Albanians who use this as a comparative advantage to become world leaders in narco-trafficking.
    Funny you should say that since Serbs are heavily involved in running drugs from Latin America to USCanada. Russkies have Europe’s drug market all under control. Serbs love to smear others on charges they themselves are well known for. Typical Jewish behaviour I’d say. Call it hypocrisy for short.

  307. Anonimko says:

    anonko195, if you don’t like Serbs that is perfectly ok with me, even you did not present any fact but don’t be so nervous. Maybe Serbs were professional victims when they got bombarded with depleted uranium few years ago by 1000 Nato planes, maybe when Germans bombed and levelled Belgrade in 1941, maybe when English allies bombed Serbia in 1944 and killed thousands, maybe when Austro-Hungarian Empire with 100 M citizens attacked small Serbia with 3 M people, maybe when Ottomans attacked Serbia (and Europe) in 1389, maybe when all Serbs were expelled from Sarajevo (250 K, i.e. one half of population) in 1995, maybe when the percentage of Serbs in Kosovo dropped from 100% to 5-6% and who live under daily terror, maybe when Croats killed more than a million Serbs in ww2 and expelled the rest (several hundreds of thousands) in 1995, maybe…

    So, it would be much clearer if you told us what is your nationality (I am sure that you are coward to say). If you are not a Croat, you may find them more pleasant. Maybe because they ALL without exception support Ustashas. There are few photos above to see who were Ustashas and who are Croats who still today support Ustashas 100%, making them maybe the only group in human history which can be qualified as ‘genocidal’. Personally, I think you are a Croat but, anyway, thank you for carefully reading my comments and stay tuned for more.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Commentator Mike
  308. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    What facts? You’re just a typical Serbian nationalist spouting myths and lies and can’t be reasoned with. Tell me this, how did over 1 million Serbian males died in ww1 yet had the demographic wear with all to control all of Yugoslavia? And even after that. Tell me how a million plus Serbs died at the hands of Croats in ww2 and yet were still a great threat to every other ethnic group in Yugoslavia after ww2 proven by their savagery in the 90’s. Tell me how serbs were ever the owners of any piece of land in the Balkans when you migrated from your true homelands somewhere east of the Vistula after 600’ AD. Tell me how Kosovo was always your land when Serbs migrated there in the early 1200’s first via conquest stealing it from Bulgarians and Byzantines. Now that you’ve been conquered you whine. Still yet you whine about supposed genocides, ie total myths whilst doing those same things to other groups and those groups don’t care to use it as a means to promote a victimhood status. Serbs on the internet are all the same, promoting the same bs, same fables and same lies. You are no better than Jews. Anytime a Serb on the internet either shows himself directly or indirectly to be a Serb the same lies flow, sort of like spotting a Jew.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Anonimko
  309. Anonimko says:

    The Archbishop of Zagreb, Alojzije Stepinac, who is now proclaimed a saint by the Croats and the Vatican, in his letter to Pope Pius XII, dated June 14, 1941 says, among other things:
    “I believe that if the Chief (Prime Minister) Ante Pavelić had been the head of the government for 20 years, the schismatics (i.e. Serbs) would have been completely liquidated from Croatia.”

    The main Croatian newspaper (‘Slobodna Dalmacija’) writes (2013): Mass for Ante Pavelić was held in the centre of Zagreb this year as well:
    “A Mass of Remembrance was held in the Basilica of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in the centre of Zagreb for Ante Pavelić, the head of the Independent State of Croatia, who passed racial laws and liquidated more than 200,000 Serbs and Jews.”

  310. Schuetze says:
    @PKZ

    Thanks PKZ, that pretty much sums up my understanding of what the communists did to Yugoslavia during the war.

    A good friend of mine, a Croatian, was living in Sarajevo in the early 1990’s. He once told me the story of how he barely got out alive, how a group of practically teen age Serb militia had stopped his bus and lined all the passengers up along a ditch. He thought he was going to be executed at any moment. Eventually the orders came to let them go, and he managed to escape on foot. My Croatian friend also always reminisced about how wonderful Yugoslavia had been before Tito died.

    I would like to get your opinion, and anyone else’s, including Anonimko, about the story told by Robert Baer.

    Confession of a CIA Agent: They Gave Us Millions to Dismember Yugoslavia

    Although this wild, I suspect fake, story is quite incriminating for the US, it certainly does not provide any evidence to support Serbian claims of a “holocaust” at Jasenovac.

    Where and when was your first job in Yugoslavia?

    I arrived by helicopter with three agents. We landed on 12 January 1991 in Sarajevo. Our job was to keep an eye on alleged terrorists of Serbian nationality, who were expected to attack Sarajevo.

    Who were the terrorists in question and why were they supposed to carry out these attacks?

    They gave us files about a group called “Supreme Serbia” detailing plans to conduct a series of bomb attacks on key buildings in Sarajevo in opposition to Bosnia’s ambition to leave former Yugoslavia.

    Did that group ever exist and what exactly you were doing in Sarajevo under CIA command?

    No such group ever existed! Our headquarters lied to us. Our mission was to alarm and spread panic among politicians in Bosnia, simply to fill their heads with the idea that Serbs would attack. To begin with, we accepted the story, but after a while we started to wonder. Why were we raising such hysteria when the group clearly did not exist?”

    Baer also gets into Srebrenica:

    “Srebrenica should be blamed on Bosnians, Serbs and Americans – that is us! But in fact everything has been blamed on the Serbs. Unfortunately, many of the victims buried as Muslims were Serbs and other nationalities. A few years ago a friend of mine, a former CIA agent and now at the IMF, said that Srebrenica is the product of agreement between the US government and politicians in Bosnia. The town of Srebrenica was sacrificed to give America a motive to attack the Serbs for their alleged crimes.

    The closing of the interview is important for all the WWII butt-hurt Serbs like Anonimko:

    “Forget the past, it was staged and false. They manipulated you, they got what they wanted and it is stupid that you still hate one another, you must show that you are stronger and you realise who has created this ! I sincerely apologise! That’s why I have for a long time disclosed the secrets of the CIA and the White House!”

    • Replies: @PKZ
  311. Anonimko says:
    @anon

    Not only coward, moron, too. Serbs and their ancestors are indigenous European people who live in the Balkan since Lepenski Vir and Vinca. They have genetic, linguistic, anthropological, mythological continuity for 10 K years. Byzantine never existed (that is the name of the village close to Constantinople), East Roman Empire – yes. Few dozens of Roman Emperors were Serbs – Diocletian, Constantine, Jovian, Julian, Justin, Justinian, Licinius, etc. Bulgars came from Asia to Europe (firstly to today’s Romania and after several decades moved to today’s Bulgaria) at the end of the 7th c.AC, got assimilated within indigenous Serbs, accepted their language and Christianity. Albanians, by accident, first stepped on the soil of Balkan (today’s Albania, at that time it was Serbia) in 1043, got Serbian permission to remain on the mountain as shepherds, etc, etc. You are pretty dumb for one Croat. I don’t consider Croats to be dumb, I have few acquaintances, we play basketball, soccer but collectively – genocidal group, because no one denounced Ustashas genocide. That is the main (although, non-intended) takeaway from this thread. Happy to talk and argue even with genuine Ustashas but not with cowards and morons even if they are Serbs. Off.

    • Replies: @anon
  312. lee says:
    @AbrahamSteinblattbaumstein

    AS said:

    You could also point out that Zyklon B pellets,once activated, release cyanide fumes for 12 hours. 12 hours is the minimum time that you could have in between gassings unless Germans had hazmat suits and portable sealed breathing apparatus which were never recovered from any supposed “death camp”

    Despite your claim——–not recovering any breathing apparatus from the death camps doesn’t mean that they weren’t used.

    From Wiki:

    A special SS bureau known as the Hygienic Institute delivered the Zyklon B to the crematoria by ambulance.[36] The actual delivery of the gas to the victims was always handled by the SS, on the order of the supervising SS doctor. After the doors were shut, SS men dropped Zyklon B pellets through vents in the roof or holes in the side of the chamber. The victims were dead within 20 minutes.[42] Johann Kremer, an SS doctor who oversaw gassings, testified that the “shouting and screaming of the victims could be heard through the opening and it was clear that they fought for their lives”.[43]

    Sonderkommandos (special work crews forced to work at the gas chambers) wearing gas masks then dragged the bodies from the chamber. The victims’ glasses, artificial limbs, jewelry, and hair were removed, and any dental work was extracted so the gold could be melted down.[44] If the gas chamber was crowded, which they typically were, the corpses were found half-squatting, their skiheir ears.[42] The corpses were burned in the nearby incinerators, and the ashes were buried, thrownn discolored pink with red and green spots, with some foaming at the mouth or bleeding from their ears.[42] The corpses were burned in the nearby incinerators, and the ashes were buried, thrown in the river, or used as fertilizer.[44] With the Soviet Red Army approaching through Poland, the last mass gassing at Auschwitz took place on 30 October 1944.[45] In November 1944, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, ordered gassing operations to cease throughout the Reich.[46]

    Piper, Franciszek (1994). “Gas Chambers and Crematoria”. In Gutman, Yisrael; Berenbaum, Michael (eds.). Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press. pp. 157–182. ISBN 0-253-32684-2.

  313. PKZ says:
    @peterAUS

    I live there, so I know how people feel about each other.
    Hatred is worse than before breakup of Yugoslavia. Serbs want revenge even more than before, Bosnian Muslims want to expand territory under their control, and Croats just hope bad thing won’t happen.
    War starts when there is no balance of power. In few years, Serbia will overcome Croatia in economic power, and Serbian army, which is even now more powerful than Croatian, will get even stronger.
    As soon as NATO breaks apart, or America loses interest for Balkan, war will start.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @anon
  314. @Anonimko

    These people are neo-Nazi NATO scum who would dump their nuclear waste on your soil from the air in the form of munitions and then claim that you are the barbarians. They’ve done it to others (Libyans, Iraqis) who never did them anything wrong. Just put filth in human walking around in disguise.

  315. Ed Case says:
    @Mike Tre

    The original Soapmaker, another fear inspiring contraption, is legendary.

    Yeah, but it was a joke to begin with.
    The Nazis needed grease to run a war machine, no one’s ever found an alternative to animal tallow, so whaddya whaddya?
    How long ago did Germans invent bone crushing and rendering technology?
    1850?

  316. Bedros says:

    ‘(…) whereas others declare it to be an extermination center on par with the worst camps of Poland. (…)’ should be ‘of Nazi (or III Reich) OCCUPIED Poland’, as the camps Trevlinka, Sobibor or Majdanek were placed in the German created General Gouvernement, and the Auschwitz camp, was during the II WW placed in the incorporated in the Reich part of Poland.

  317. lavoisier says:
    @L.K

    Seem like no matter where you want to look, governments are not interested in allowing historians to study WWII history.

    Truth, as usual, is the casualty.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Anonimko
  318. @Realist

    “ Many think Eisenhower was against the overthrow of foreign governments…nothing could be further from the truth, he approved the CIA actions against Iran, Guatemala, and Vietnam…”

    Thanks for shedding light on Eisenhower, an overblown war hero in the minds of older Americans, but in reality a war criminal if we are to believe James Bacque’s book “Other Losses”. I have managed to see some pictures of German POW’s in Germany after the allied occupation and it looked quite macabre. It is an established fact that if a US President is decent and bent on working for the common good, internally or externally, his chances are nil for he will incur the wrath of the deep state and their oligarchic overlords.

    • Replies: @Realist
  319. PKZ says:
    @Schuetze

    From economic point of view, breakup of Yugoslavia was suicide for everyone: Serbs, Croats, Bosnians….They lost mutual markets, markets of Russia, East Europe and, the most important, markets of Independent block countries (Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, India…)
    Foreigners now own complete banking system of ex-Yugoslavia countries, including telecommunication companies and retail sector, in which they boycott domestic products and sell imports from foreign countries.
    But I don’t think that breakup of Yugoslavia was result of foreign conspiracy. It was the result of short term planning and lack of mutual respect.

    As for Srebrenica, Serbs intended to take over the city. There was 12000 lightly armed Muslims soldiers against 4000 well armed Serbian soldiers. Than suddenly Muslim president Izetbegovic orders his army to leave the city and sacrifice civilians in order to get NATO intervention. Some of the Muslims soldiers refused, stayed with civilians in the city, and took refuge in UN camp. They were all killed, approx. 2000 of them, after UN forces handed them over to Serbs.
    The rest of Muslims, approx. 5500, were killed during heavy shelling while they were leaving the city. But they were all soldiers under arms.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  320. Anonimko says:

    Slightly of the road (following previous Weaver’s remark)…
    I would ask TD if he is not angry with me because of my critic and considering that he translated Mein Kampf, if AH mentioned in his book that the most of Germans are of Serbian (AH calls them ‘Slavic’ although this term did not exist at that time) origin (e.g. Prussians, who were Germanised in the 12 c.AC but spoke Serbian until 200 years ago when it was prohibited by law)…

    “At the beginning of May, St. George’s Day was celebrated in the middle of Germany in several small towns, mostly in Lusatia, then in the provinces of Mecklenburg, Saxony, Brandenburg, Pomerania and the city of Berlin. Lusatian Serbs have lived there for centuries. These people still celebrate Easter and St. George’s Day in the Serbian and Orthodox way. Today, the Serbian Museum, which is located in a baroque palace in the city of Cottbus, about a hundred km south of Berlin, testifies to this historical fact.

    Serbs inhabited the entire area of East Germany – vast territories east of the river Elbe, all the way to the Odra and the Vistula in Poland. They were divided into numerous Serbian tribes: Bodriće, Ljutiće, Lužane, Milčane, Pomorane, Glomače – Dalemince, Rujane, Suselce, Neletiće.
    Even today, ninety percent of all geographical names of rivers, fields, lakes and settlements in the provinces of Mecklenburg, Saxony, Brandenburg, Pomerania and others, bear Serbian names (Kamenica, Bela Gora, Bela Voda, Ratibor, Dubravka, Rogozno, Strela, Drenovo, Trnovo , etc.) Although there are no more Serbs there, except in the Lusatia region, they are registered as Northern Serbs. That is, as Serbs in Germany and near Berlin.

    Eleven centuries ago, the Serbs were the first to give the name Berlin – Barljin. Namely, Berlin was originally a small Serbian fishing village, so after the fall of the Serbian principality, the German counts took the power. The small town of that time was known for its ponds and large cattle market. Even today, the Germans call Berlin – Barljin, because it comes from the word “berto”, which means bulkheads in the water, where fish are caught in a trap.

    According to some German sources, the city of Berlin did not develop from the original fishing village, but from a large estate with a castle that belonged to one of the prominent Serbian nobles. Numerous family names in that area, from Berlin to Dresden (Drežđani), are of Serbian origin and their surnames end in: ov, ski, ić, ć, etc.

    The people around Berlin still have legends about the Sorbens and their princes, and they refer to Serbian rulers, cities and temples and frequent wars. The Germanized Serbian population also cultivates these traditions. Lusatian Serbs also call themselves Serbia, Serb, Serbonjka, while Serbs from the Balkans call themselves Southern Serbs: Southern Serbia.

    Lusatian Serbs managed to preserve the language, customs, folklore, literature and originality, in a word, ethnic identity. The Germans call them Wends or Sorabs, who founded the cities of Lipsk, Zvikov, Stargrad and Dresden, descended also to the Balkans and reached Kievan Russia.”

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  321. @lavoisier

    governments are not interested in allowing historians to study WWII history.

    Truth, as usual, is the casualty.

    The truth is known. It’s there for the finding. Governments don’t want to let historians speak the truth. To be in good standing, historians have to lie and omit. This way, the vast majority will never learn the truth because they will not search out where it’s found. People have to have a thirst for “knowing” if they’re going to find the truth.
    Regards.

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  322. @Schuetze

    American Jews, or Jewish America, and their lackeys have officially, at governmental level, imposed economic sanctions on numerous countries and yet nobody has declared war on them or attacked them anywhere in the world. Yet Hitler thought that an unofficial boycott by Jews is sufficient reason to attack any neighbouring country he had his eyes on. You’re not telling me anything I don’t know or haven’t read and heard countless times. Well then, all the economic victims of America should unite and declare war on the US, according to the Hitler doctrine, or at least your interpretation of it.

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  323. Anonimko says:
    @lavoisier

    Not only WW2, Antoine. The entire so-called ‘ancient’ and the history of the first millennium is heavily falsified. The cornerstone of the world history falsifications is so-called ‘Slavic migration’ to Balkan in the 7th c.AC. There is no one single evidence of such migration which is at the core of the mainstream. A bottle of red, worldwide delivered, to anyone who find one primary evidence (e.g. within 200 years after this alleged migration).

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  324. Realist says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thanks for shedding light on Eisenhower, an overblown war hero in the minds of older Americans,…

    Not this one…I am in my upper seventies.

    Seriously consider reading the book: The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War by Stephen Kinzer.

    I think you would find it very informative.

  325. Schuetze says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “Hitler thought that an unofficial boycott by Jews is sufficient reason to attack any neighbouring country he had his eyes on.”

    LOL. What an Idiot.

    My best friend in grade school was named Michael. We called him Mike. He was a Jew. He wasn’t nearly as stupid, nor as big a liar as you.

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  326. Schuetze says:
    @Anonimko

    “Even today, ninety percent of all geographical names of rivers, fields, lakes and settlements in the provinces of Mecklenburg, Saxony, Brandenburg, Pomerania and others, bear Serbian names”

    Considering that upper Saxony, most of Pomerania and much of Brandenberg were gifted by Stalin, patron saint of all Serbs and Russians, to Poland, it seems a little rich for butt hurt Serbians to be whining about how there are no more Serbs in what is now Poland.

    Once again, Karma is a bitch and the Serbs in Saxony got bitch slapped by the Red Rapist Army that they love so well.

    I also noted above how you failed to mention that Poland also invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 and carved out Tchechen for herself.

    It didn’t bother Churchill and Roosevelt, or the Serbs, that the USSR has signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler and invaded Poland. It didn’t even bother the Serbs when Stalin and Jewish kommisars massacred the entire Polish officer corps at Katyn forest. Similarly, it didn’t bother the Serbs when Poland carved off part of Galicia. Finally, it didn’t bother Serbs when the Red Rapist Army ethnically cleansed Germans and SERBIANS, by your own admission, from upper Saxony, most of Pomerania and much of Brandenberg.

    So now, 75 years later, we have to listen to you bellyaching about how there are no Serbs in South West Poland. This completely confirms what PKZ has been telling us: Serbs are hopeless, they learn nothing from history. As soon as NATO and the EU breaks up, Serbs will once again be ethnically cleansing and starting world wars, and then blaming Germans and Croats for everything bad that happens to them afterwards.

  327. peterAUS says:
    @PKZ

    Hatred is worse than before breakup of Yugoslavia.

    That’s a cheerful thought.

    ..Croats just hope bad thing won’t happen….

    No need to be modest. Joining Croatia proper with Herzeg-Bosna is in the cards I am sure.
    Add pushing Muslims/Serbs from the coastline beyond MLRS range as well.
    Should things go well there, well, “Banovina Hrvatska” is the goal.

    ..and Serbian army, which is even now more powerful than Croatian…

    It is?
    O.K.

    As soon as NATO breaks apart, or America loses interest for Balkan, war will start.

    Sounds about right.

    Now, looking at your comment 323 you ARE showing surprisingly “unofficial” view of “Srebrenica” thing for a Croat.
    You are NOT entirely correct in some parts of what you’ve written in that paragraph, but, again, surprisingly good overall, IMHO.
    If…..if you want to get to the bottom of what happened there I suggest watching (multiple) videos online where some of participants, from Serb side, are talking about it.
    And compare that with transcripts from Hague.

    Ah, yes, you are a “local”. A question, if I may:
    WHO, in your opinion, ordered the execution of POWs in Srebrenica?
    And WHY?

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  328. Schuetze says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    This meme made me think of you….

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  329. PKZ says:
    @peterAUS

    Honestly, I don’t care much for what happened in Srebrenica. All those ethnically cleansed “poor” Muslims from Bijeljina and Prijedor later did to Croats (in Kakanj, Vares, Bugojno, Drusina…..) the same as Serbs did to them .
    I am not moralizing. Let the best win. I dislike (0K, hate), but respect Muslims and Serbs.

    I would guess that general Mladic ordered execution of Muslim male prisoners. They were defeated soldiers and he saw them as a future threat. Also, he wanted revenge for humiliations that Muslims did to Serbs during Ottoman occupation.
    Raping of Muslim women in Srebrenica was spontaneous act of Serbian army. They did same thing in Croatia, but nobody cares for that, because killing and raping of white Catholics is desirable in today’s world.
    You see, Serbs are NOT evil. They do atrocities in order to revenge innocent Serbian victims from the past (often made up ones). And they do not enjoy doing it, but they must do it, as if they are sacrificing themselves for the noble cause.

  330. peterAUS says:

    Honestly, I don’t care much for what happened in Srebrenica.

    O.K.

    All those ethnically cleansed “poor” Muslims from Bijeljina and Prijedor later did to Croats (in Kakanj, Vares, Bugojno, Drusina…..) the same as Serbs did to them .

    Yep.

    I would guess that general Mladic ordered execution of Muslim male prisoners.

    Agree.

    ..killing and raping of white Catholics is desirable in today’s world…

    An interesting point.
    That, could, perhaps, extend to

    … killing and raping of white Orthodox Christians is desirable in today’s world…

    In that region, but that would be, an understandable, stretch.

    You see, Serbs are NOT evil. They do atrocities in order to revenge innocent Serbian victims from the past (often made up ones). And they do not enjoy doing it, but they must do it, as if they are sacrificing themselves for the noble cause.

    I hear you. Now, I’d put “prevent” keyword somewhere above too. Just me.

    Just occurred to me, that applies to these guys too I presume?!:

    That Mercep at 16th second? You know the guy at 46-47th second? Joking, joking.

    What was that guy saying at 2.41-2.46? I guess he was joking too. Must’ve been.
    The……….”target” ….at 2.57? Nahh…..couldn’t have been.

    Another joke at 3.30? Anyway……

    Ah, one more thing: WHY recording all that?!? I could understand the “work”, but RECORDING it?
    Any theory?

    True, doesn’t even come close, on a “stupid” level, to this:

    the “last” part.

    But, still.

    Next time, a?

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  331. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    An explanation for those lacking brain cells reading all this.

    The links above, although a “war porn”, serve to make a point here.

    The point being: those acts (among countless similar examples….) were done at the time when the eyes of the World were focused on that region. In the time frame where such acts were actually sanctioned by TPTBs.

    Now, why is so hard to imagine that, in the similar cultural background, in the same region, places as Jasenovac existed? At the time when such acts were encouraged by the TPTBs there.

    “That simply makes no sense”. Not to you.
    Makes sense to the type of people in videos.

    Transfer the guys from those videos in the time of WW2 in that region and give them a camp as Jasenovac to rule over.

    Makes sense?

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  332. Anonimko says:
    @Anonimko

    It could be established a direct link between falsified history (mostly done by Vatican), Jasenovac and the civil war in 90-ies in YU. Jasenovac did not come from nowhere to become the darkest moment of human civilisation and an indescribable pathological eclipse of human consciousness. That would require much more space and very bright intellect to analyse this and establish if this collective mental disorder is inheritable (like schizophrenia – my thesis) or not.

    In this context, just to add to my previous comment on old Serbs in Germany. Some of the famous Germans who had Serbian origins were Leibnitz (the founder of the German Academy of Science) from the family Ljutic, (ljut=hot, like chilli), Martin Luther (the founder of the Protestant church and, as every convert who hates his roots, a distinct anti-Serb and anti-Slavic), Empress Katharina II, even Bismarck stated that his grandma could not speak one German word. The House of Hohenzollern dynasty (Dukes and Kings of Prussia) also has Serbian roots. This is just a small excerpt of the hidden or falsified history which can partially explain the irrational hatred, past and present, toward Serbs and where Jasenovac came on the surface as a smelly pus from the ulcer.

  333. @Schuetze

    Well, thank you, I take that as a compliment. Hanna Reitsch, an uncommon woman. Though tiny in stature, she liked the company of men and to do what men did! And boy, could she. I wrote what I think is one of the best accounts of her life because I was so impressed with it: https://carolynyeager.net/hanna-reitsch-%E2%80%93-warrior-flight-and-freedom
    If you haven’t read it yet, I hope you will. I used that very quote at the end.

    Although I used Hugh Trevor-Roper’s translation of “Hitler’s Table Talk” for my podcast series, as it was the only one available to me, I was assured by my Polish-German translator friend that it perfectly aligns with the original German versions. HT-R didn’t cheat on that.

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  334. @Schuetze

    Ad hominem – the last resort of the ignorant fool who has no answer.

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  335. @Carolyn Yeager

    Kevin MacDonald and his protégé Andrew Joyce, while they are exceptional writers from whom I have taken a great deal of inspiration, both seem to have a major blindspot with regard to Christianity. They both subscribe to monocausalism; they see the Jews as the be all and end all of white decline, placing little blame on whites themselves and their embrace of a foreign egalitarian religion. The Christian value system survived the so-called “death of god” lamented in the late 19th century, finding fertile ground in the mushy minds of liberal do-gooders and their meek, feckless secular humanism. Though this would leave many an effeminate liberal aghast, one cannot deny that Hitler’s lebensraum concept, for all its militant egoism, does constitute real politics, especially when contrasted with the trivial and boring matters that have defined politics both historically and contemporarily. I have always rejected the unquestioning and sycophantic adoration of Hitler commonly found within the Dissident Right, though. The man made some crucial and frankly unforgivable mistakes that have trapped us in a situation which I fear may prove inescapable.

    The information I had about the Polish diplomats was derived from mainstream sources, so obviously I had my doubts about it. I can’t remember his name, but it was said that one British diplomat nearly came to physical blows with a German diplomat (possibly Ribbentrop) when he found out about the “impossible ultimatum” they planned to deliver to the Poles. Do you know who this may have been, or if it there is a shred of truth to it at all?

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  336. @Autisticus Spasticus

    I don’t think there is a shred of truth in it, and Foreign Minister Ribbentrop cannot even be imagined to come to physical blows with a British diplomat. Such behavior was totally foreign to his upbringing and character (he was something of an aristocrat and was very comfortable in British upper class society), nor was it the habit or character of Brits and Germans in general. But I can’t vouch for the character and habits of Poles.

    I don’t know why you are hanging on to a story someone you don’t remember told you. You said you had doubts about it, so why be so persistent with it? I can tell you there was NO “impossible ultimatum”; the ultimatum was entirely possible, and normal in diplomatic circles, and no one would have been shocked by it. Case closed.

    You say Jews should not be entirely blamed for the decline in the fortunes of White Europeans, but Christianity can be entirely blamed. Really, what’s the difference?

    [Hitler] made some crucial and frankly unforgivable mistakes that have trapped us in a situation which I fear may prove inescapable.

    Why is it only Hitler who is blamed for “unforgiveable mistakes” that translate to the reason Whites are in decline? I don’t see any other leaders decisions labelled as ‘unforgivable.’ Plus it’s usually said by white men who are unable to accomplish anything close to what Hitler did. I mean, take your screen name, what’s that supposed to indicate? Should we have respect for you? You don’t seem very smart. Your specialty seems to be to blame Christianity because it’s a Jewish creation. Okay, what are you going to do about it? Well, how about blaming Hitler for not accomplishing what no one else has managed to do, even though it was White European peoples who stopped him; not the Churches.

    Maybe you need to think things through better.

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  337. @Carolyn Yeager

    Hanna Reitsch was one hell of a pilot. She test flew military aircraft. In fact, while test flying the Me-163 Komet rocket plane, Reitsch was badly injured during a crash landing. She recovered, and was awarded the Iron Cross, First Class.

    In May 1961, President Jack Kennedy invited Reitsch to the White House (she’s in the white coat, fourth from left):

    https://images.app.goo.gl/hxL3GSfNzeqk4f1s5

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    , @Schuetze
  338. @Carolyn Yeager

    My screen name is an exercise in self-deprecating humour, something we British are apparently infamous for. I hope you’ll forgive the lack of brevity in my reply. Here we go…

    I recognise that the Jewish Question and the Christian Question are synonymous. In his multi-volume work Christianity’s Criminal History, Karlheinz Deschner painstakingly chronicles how the new religion plunged classical philosophy into centuries of near-oblivion, clashing with the established and ancient European belief in the inequality of men. Spreading first among the slaves and lowest classes of the Roman Empire, the Christian faith came to teach that all men were equal in the eyes of a universal creator, an idea that was totally alien to traditional European thought, which had recognized a hierarchy of competence among men and even among the gods. Opposing the traditions of classical philosophy and scientific enquiry, Christianity introduced the concept of a single, omnipotent “God of History” who controlled all phenomena in the universe, with mankind being the pinnacle of his creation. Since all human beings were “the children of God”, all were equal before their Divine Maker. Faith in the church’s interpretation of supposedly prophetic revelations became more important than scientific or philosophical enquiry, and to question the church’s view of reality was blasphemy, heresy, sacrilege. It was a grave sin that could spell death for the outspoken individual in question.

    Nietzsche observed that the successful promotion of Christianity depended on a pretence of reciprocal hostility between Christians and Jews. It required making the Jewish cult, when peddled to gentiles, seem non-Jewish and even anti-Jewish. “Was it not a necessary feature of a truly brilliant politics of vengeance, a far-sighted, subterranean, slowly and carefully planned vengeance, that Israel had to deny its true instrument publicly and nail him to the cross like a mortal enemy, so that the whole world (meaning all the enemies of the Jews) might naively swallow the bait?” This policy, however, produced an unexpected backlash, which was only with great difficulty brought under control. It would, and indeed did, take many volumes to summarise the scandalous and scabrous history of Christianity, from its known beginnings around the middle of the second century to the triumph of a particularly shrewd and aggressive sect in the fifth century. There were hundreds of sects, each with its own bundle of gospels, peculiar doctrines, and adroit theologians, but among them were innumerable hoodwinked fools who took seriously the purported antagonism of the Jews to the new religion.

    Nietzsche noted that Christianity is anti-Darwinian, as its value system has dysgenic consequences. Time and again, computer algorithms identify black faces as non-human, as apes. This is because computer programs are objective. They have no concept of soul equality, since they have not been tainted by Christian axiology. If our people had never been infected by this Levantine poison, blacks would not be classed as human. They would be viewed as an infestation, a hostile species of ape in competition with us for our beautiful white women. If not for Christianity, we would have exterminated them with pitiless indifference long ago, as Darwin said we would. Christianity, in essence, means not the number of priests ordained, but the number of non-whites loved.

    Christians are unlikely to be motivated by ethno-nationalism, as their focus lies on God’s kingdom in the hereafter, not on any earthbound nation. Their priority is the salvation of immortal souls, and the importance of genetic purity will not resonate with them. It’s interesting to note that, while Christianity’s universalism and focus on transcending the material is what has negated explicit racialism within western culture for so long, universalism is the opposite of postmodernism, which has also undermined racialism. This seems less perplexing, however, when we take into account that Christian universalism, which is explicitly theological in origin, is not the same as the universality of science that opposes postmodernism.

    The Third Reich is an example of a culture that, for the first time in over a thousand years, rejected Judeo-Christian ethics and adopted a more organic, evolutionarily informed moral code. It was essentially a return to pagan values. While certainly not perfect, it did become the most scientifically advanced nation in the world, and in terms of politics and philosophy, the Germans had a very intimate understanding of certain realities that are to this day verboten to acknowledge. Viewed within the context of society as a living organism, a revolutionary concept at the time which is consistent with many contemporary findings in evolutionary psychology/biology, the Nazi movement was a healthy immune response to the latest manifestation of the subversive exploitation which the tribe had wrought with inexhaustible chutzpah upon their host nations since time immemorial. Nazism identified disease vectors in the body politic and neutralised them, with the SS functioning much like white blood cells; antibodies developed in response to the Jewish bacillus. Mercilessly exterminating this parasite without remorse would previously have been unthinkable, due to Christian axiology. The existential threat posed by the Jews had now bifurcated, manifesting in two forms: bolshevism in the east and international finance capitalism in the west, which would eventually form a pincer movement to encircle and destroy the one nation that stood in their way.

    [MORE]

    Regarding the Nazi war of conquest in the east, I find nothing objectionable in principle with the concept of lebensraum, and I certainly think the Germans were more deserving of the vast stretches of land that were occupied by amorphous masses with incomprehensible languages and backward cultures, as Himmler so astutely described them. With regard to Germany’s pre-war expansion, it doesn’t matter whether the territories absorbed by Germany were ever historically within the borders of the Reich. What matters is that these were ethnically and culturally German regions that had no reason to remain autonomous. Austria was excluded from the 1871 unification for sectarian reasons that have no bearing on reality, since religion is fictional and should have no place in determining policy. In short, the map of Europe was in disarray, deliberately and vindictively so, thanks to the victors of the Great War.

    I think if Hitler had died in 1939, he would probably be remembered as one of the greatest heads of state in history, but the reason I put more blame on him than his subordinates is for precisely that reason. Führerprinzip would dictate that Hitler himself must accept sole responsibility for the failure of his regime. Yes, there were ferocious forces arrayed against him, a powder keg of hostility waiting for any reason to ignite, but this doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have worked within those constraints more tactfully. For instance, what if Germany had decided not to pre-emptively invade Russia? The world would have had more sympathy for Germany if the Russians had made the first move. Better still, what if Hitler had decided to leave Poland intact in order to act as a buffer zone between Germany and Russia? I actually think Poland could have been very useful in such a role. Unfortunately the Poles were notoriously obstinate, an attitude that was encouraged by the British and French, and decided not to pursue diplomatic resolutions to territorial disputes created by the spiteful Treaty of Versailles. But as much as Germany was the aggrieved party with legitimate demands, I think it would have been better in the long run to just repatriate the Germans living in Poland back into the Reich proper. In this way a resettlement of a mere few million Germans could have been achieved relatively peacefully, and not the 13 million that ended up being expelled and murdered in what became the largest and most brutal forced population transfer in recorded history.

    Hitler was a brilliant political thinker but a poor military strategist. I think it was a mistake to form an alliance with Italy and Japan, as all they ever did was make disastrous military decisions that weighed Germany down. In hindsight they proved to be a total liability. Hitler’s biggest flaw was his unwavering faith in a mystical providence that he believed was guiding him to an assured victory. It was this belief that convinced him Germany was invincible and could wage war on several fronts simultaneously. It was this delusion of grandeur that lead to the destruction of Germany, which in the ensuing decades has metastasized into ethno-masochism and pathological altruism in the European peoples at large, which is leading to their destruction at the psychological and demographic level. It’s a very disturbing phenomenon, and quite possibly an entirely novel development. While I share fascism’s disdain for democracy and the concept of rotational governance, I think my commitment to anti-natalist philosophy would prohibit me from fully embracing fascism. On the micro scale, they were correct about many things, but on the macro scale, none of it really matters. Life is awful and then we die, obliterated for eternity. Once you accept this, all other considerations and commitments become fairly meaningless. I don’t think there are any real solutions, political or otherwise, to human problems. I think they are endemic to our species and will always be with us. The real problem, I think, is that humans exist at all. The mistake at the heart of Hitler’s vision is the attempt to perfect that which is inherently and irredeemably flawed.

    And inevitably, we come to the Jews. MacDonald has noted the seemingly paradoxical fact that they are invariably found promoting ideas, political movements and business practices that cause social decay. This foments antagonism towards them, and yet, by some miracle, this is apparently never their fault, or so they themselves insist. Jewish influence in Hollywood, for example, is something they admit to quite candidly and with pride. Despite this, many people still have trouble accepting the facticity of Jewish hegemony, not only because they’ve been conditioned for decades to perceive Jews as victims, but because it seems so statistically implausible. Jews are such a minuscule percentage of the global population, so how is it possible for them to be so staggeringly overrepresented in positions of power and influence? To the uninitiated, our vague references to “the Jews” being responsible for a given phenomenon, as if they were some omnipresent and omnipotent force, seem like the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic. But the answer, of course, in addition to their cognitive dexterity, is the unparalleled knack for ethnic networking and nepotism among Jews, which has allowed them to climb to the summit of our society in spite of their numerical inferiority. What few people understand is that a Jew being the head of a large corporation, for instance, is invariably enough to make said corporation and its activities de facto Jewish, no matter how many gentiles may toil on the factory floor and in office cubicles. Jews in these positions work tirelessly and ingeniously to advance Jewish interests and peddle the narrative of Jewish victimhood, which is always given centre stage, while their history of subversion and parasitism is never acknowledged. This is the martyrdom aspect, arguably the most quintessential component of the Jewish character, at least according to one Jewish scholar. Meanwhile, the 60 million victims of communism are never identified as such. Since 1945, the objective knowledge about Jews, their behaviour, and the vicious contempt they have for their gentile hosts has been all but expunged from Western discourse. The Jewish Question has long been supplanted by the Anti-Semitic Question, as the world’s most tenacious and cunning race shifted the focus away from their own provocative behaviour and instead shined the spotlight of suspicion onto the (perfectly justifiable) hostile reactions of their hosts. In the Jewish people can be observed the purist distillation of psychopathy, nepotism, and the cult of martyrology.

    Regarding the changing death toll at Auschwitz and the convenient fading of the more transparently preposterous Holocaust atrocity claims from public memory, it is important to note the following. Whenever the mainstream media has to come clean about something, it is always done with subtlety and as little fanfare as possible, and they quickly move on to something else. This is a very calculated sleight of hand; it ensures that hardly anyone witnesses their admission, and those who do are quickly distracted from what has just been disclosed, disrupting their ability to fully process and retain said information. This cunning misdirection ensures that the lies remain in circulation despite having been “officially” debunked. It will be put down in the official record that a correction was issued, and they are then free to use what I call “the smallprint defence” if they are ever interrogated in the future. “Well technically we did admit that we lied, but it’s not our fault if nobody was paying attention at the time.” The memory hole is an incredibly effective tool. I say tool, but it’s merely a naturally occurring defect of human cognition, and the powers that be never miss an opportunity to exploit it to their advantage. When they make concessions, they always do so covertly.

    When we examine the psychology of the Jewish victimhood complex, a shameless tradition of exaggeration and even outright fabrication of persecution begins to emerge, which in turn paints a consistently devious picture of the Jewish mind. Considering this, one is compelled to ask why anyone would be a pro-Semite? Given their remarkably consistent history of nepotism, political subversion, financial exploitation, white-collar crime, war mongering and arrogant contempt for gentiles, you would have to be mad to buy into their victimhood narrative, and yet it is believed unquestioningly. Why? Because the Jews have used their unsurpassed wealth, their monopoly of mass media, their unrivalled political influence, and their absolute censorship of any and all dissent to make sure we got the message. The saturation of the gentile mind has been relentless, and Christianity has played a pivotal role in that brainwashing.

    We have failed to instigate a revolt against the Jews among our people because their minds have been stewing in a culture shaped by two thousand years of Christian delusion, and to hope that a people imbued with the conviction that a Jew is God will revolt against Jewry is a fool’s errand. As more time passes, it will become clear that the evil in the West not only covers the Jew-dominated media and our treacherous elites, but also our own people, whose operating system contains malware implanted since the time of Constantine. As I have said so many times before, the only salvation lies in a Nietzschean transvaluation of values, a complete and total elimination of this virus from the psyche of our people until it reaches, once again, that pristine mental state before the Christian infection. This is what the Nazis were attempting to do in Germany, a renaissance that was promptly nipped in the bud by those traitorous nations that should have been her allies.

    We live today under the inescapable tyranny of usury, fiat currency, and the international system of interest-based debt slavery. Rampant government abuse of taxpayer funds has been an accepted part of life for so long now that few can remember a time when this was not the norm. Since the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913, a staggering 48 trillion dollars has been spent on actively undermining the political sovereignty, economic stability and demographic homogeneity of the United States. In every white country, the fruits of our own labour are used to finance our destruction. This constitutes nothing less than the most bare-faced betrayal in the history of human civilization, on a scale so unprecedented, utilising methods of subversion and deceit so vile and revolting, that it beggars comprehension. Few dare complain, and many are happy to turn a blind eye and make bank by exploiting the unparalleled opportunities that vulture capitalism has afforded them. Plutocracy and talentless internet celebrities becoming millionaires overnight are symptoms of a terminally ill civilisation.

    It’s too late for me, since I am already here, living a wretched life. I was born with genetic disorders that have ruined my life, because the neo-Christian liberal progressive value system dictates that it is better to let the genetic stock of humanity deteriorate than be “like those evil Nazis!” In the post-war era, to be the antithesis of Hitler in every way has become the paragon of virtue for white people. In many ways, the Nazis were a thousand years ahead of their time. I and countless others might have been spared our suffering if the fledgling science of eugenics had been allowed to progress unimpeded, but the egalitarian impulse of Christianity, so deeply implanted in the Western mind, held us back. Christianity is the progenitor of liberal progressivism and communism, both forged from the pacifist doctrine of the brotherhood of man. Pathological altruism, ethno-masochism and the worship of “the other” all have their antecedents in Christ’s teachings. “All are one in Christ” is the framework that secular liberalism is built on. Christians have no loyalty to whiteness or any of the material things of this world, because their focus is on the immaterial realm of God’s kingdom, and they seek to transcend the corporeal world. For them, all that matters is God, and all souls are worthy of salvation in God’s eyes. Genetics doesn’t even come into it. This is why Christianity, the arch nemesis of racialism and the greatest opponent of evolution, will always be locked in deadly enmity with eugenics.

    Setting my personal commitment to anti-natalism aside for a moment, if humans are indeed to reproduce, why on earth would we not utilise the wisdom of eugenics? Why would we not enact laws to prevent the carriers of dangerous and undesirable genes from passing them on and creating persons who will suffer for a lifetime, trapped inside a defective mind/body? All those who oppose eugenic betterment have a staggering amount to atone for. I am living one of those lives which has turned out wretchedly, and not a day goes by that I don’t wish I’d never been born. My life would not have taken the awful course it has if it weren’t for the egalitarian value system that suppressed for decades the science that could have granted me a life that doesn’t so closely resemble hell. Can you imagine the hatred I feel for the smug, self-righteous imbeciles who promulgate the liberal mindset which has condemned me to my fate? I know what I’ve lost, and I know what my mother has lost, and I know that this rancid society is responsible for depriving us of it. What we are now facing is a dysgenic calamity without precedent in human history. We’re already seeing the political ramifications of the proliferation of deleterious genes within our own societies. Wokeness, which we in the HBD community describe as the coalition of the fringes, is what happens when the weak, diseased and mentally ill are not subjected to the natural process of elimination that would have taken them out before they reached reproductive age in times gone by. This is one of the reasons, perhaps even the main reason, why society is getting sicker, physically and psychologically. We are now discovering in hindsight that many of the “advancements” of the 20th century were only beneficial in the short term. In the long term, they may indeed prove catastrophic. As a great man once said, a problem solved is a problem caused. Such is this world.

    Regarding the causes of the war which created the world we now live in, it is necessary to peel back the lies that conceal the true character of certain iconic figures who have long been venerated. Churchill was a drunkard and war-monger who systematically rejected or ignored all prior efforts at a negotiative settlement to the problem of Polish belligerence. He was motivated more by his antipathy to Germany and his personal desire for war and destruction than any commitment to the peaceful resolution of competing interests. The same is true of FDR and Eisenhower, both of whom hated Germany and were surrounded by a cadre of Levantine advisors. This is all documented in the books The Unnecessary War by Pat Buchanan, What the World Rejected by Friedrich Stieve, Germany’s War by John Wear, Other Losses and Crimes and Mercies by James Bacque, Savage Continent by Keith Lowe, and Hellstorm by Thomas Goodrich. It is inadvisable to read the last book unless one has a very strong stomach, as I was to discover.

    The Nazi defeat at Stalingrad set off a cataclysm, and at this point, our culture was well and truly finished. With the destruction of the Third Reich in 1945, western civilisation as it had existed, and is still perceived, died once and for all. 1945 was the year of the total inversion of Aryan values into Christian values. Hellstorm describes in graphic detail the suffering and torture the German people were forced to endure, all because they had upset the balance of power for international finance capitalism. It was a traumatising experience and the final nail in the coffin for me as an ethno-nationalist. I had been persuaded by David Benatar’s anti-natalist philosophy for some years prior, but Hellstorm cemented my commitment to it. I still support our movement in principle, since its goal of defeating the Jews and their third world hordes is a noble one, but I can no longer condone the creation of new sentient life. Our movement is ultimately a fertility cult, as it affirms and venerates nature. I can no longer bring myself to support procreation, given the merciless nature of the void, the certainty of suffering and the finality of death. My conscience will no longer allow it, as my compassion for our people comes before my desire to see us “win” nature’s absurd gladiatorial tournament.

    This ferocious desire to win for the sake of winning, for vengeance and justice at any price, no matter how many white lives it costs, is what really motivates the Dissident Right. I came to the conclusion, after many discussions, that white nationalism is not as concerned with the welfare of our people as it claims. I have asked, how can we ethically justify bringing a white child into a world where they can be Hellstormed? An answer is never provided, and on a few occasions the supposedly pro-white individual became markedly agitated and, in an astonishing reversal of principle, dismissed the suffering of prior (and even current) generations of whites. The welfare of our people ceases to be important for the white nationalist once he realises that it can be used to argue that creating white children is to condemn them to the significant possibility of immeasurable suffering and the absolute certainty of death. We are all ultimately just organic machines, replicating for the sake of replicating, with no genuine autonomy or purpose. I could never bring myself to condemn a white child to such an awful fate.

    Taking the long view is the most assured way to deflate one’s racial ego. Our oceans will evaporate about a billion years from now, then our sun will turn into a red giant and engulf all the planets in our solar system. Some time after that, our galaxy will collide with the andromeda galaxy, and then finally will come the heat death of the universe. Our destruction is inevitable. Life is merely the procrastination of death.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  339. PKZ says:
    @peterAUS

    Jasenovac existed. Many prisoners in it were starved to death and treated very harsh. But, it was not factory of death.
    As I see it, Jasenovac was primarily transit hub to German camps. Only that can explain chronic lack of forensic evidence contrasted to total demographic loss of Jewish population and much smaller demographic loss (measured in percentage) of Serbian population.

    Ustashe are guilty for many things, most importantly, civil war among Croats and deportation of Croatian Jews, who didn’t do nothing against Croatian interests. Jews were deported just to appease Germans, and to steal Jewish property.
    Treatment of Serbs by the Ustashe was complex: you certainly didn’t know that 12 out of 88 generals of Croatian WWII army were Serbs!

    Most Ustashe were just jobless punks and drafted boys, who wanted to be tough like Germans. That is why Serbs killed them all so easily, like sheep, after WWII.

    But after much blood is spilled, only hatred remains, and there is no way back.

  340. Anonimko says:

    Apologies if interfering, just a side comment.

    Re Poles – Agree with the first half of the first sentence. English (Churchill?) to lose any temper for some Poles over there? It is probably a joke, give me a break. The truth is, sorry to say, that my brothers, Poles, are the dumbest among ‘Slavics’ and demonstrated this many time including the present days. I think that the Catholicism brainwashed them (and not only them) and, after accepting the Christianity, they had a bad role to harass surrounding Slavic tribes.

    Re Christianity – do we really know everything about its origins? How can we know if the entire ancient history is falsified? What was (still is) the name of the mountain peak where Moses got commandments from the God? Who were Philistines? When (future) Greeks came to today’s Greece and where from? How they, at the time of Trojan battle, could have their Olympic mythology if they haven’t seen Mt Olympus in the following almost 1000 years? Who was Alexander the Great? What was the mother tongue of Constantine (legalised Christianity) and Justinian (built Hagia Sophia and introduced the Roman Law)? If we do not answer previous questions, we cannot properly answer about the origins of Christianity.

    Re AdHit – he was impressed with British who actually invented the Nazism and concentration camps. But, he was dumb to see the big picture. Wasted over 25M Russian whites, 8M German whites, 1.5M Serbs, etc, etc. I tend to agree with Spasticus that he ‘made some crucial and frankly unforgivable mistakes that have trapped us in a situation which I fear may prove inescapable.’ If Morgenthau plan was executed, we could hardly have Germans today. Whites are endangered species today. They are a fairly recent concept; do we know where was their birthplace? Morons no need to apply (reply).

  341. Weaver says:
    @L.K

    I didn’t know that. The other poster mentioned it’s now illegal to criticise the Holocaust there. I didn’t know that either.

    It’s good to speak up at a site like this. I wouldn’t have known otherwise, thanks.

    What do you think of the Baltic states? Is there anywhere for free discussion of WWII? I guess only the US… I now like Russia much less.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  342. @Orville H. Larson

    If you want to know more about Hanna Reitsch than you probably do now, read my very well researched article: https://carolynyeager.net/hanna-reitsch-%E2%80%93-warrior-flight-and-freedom
    It’s pretty exhaustive. The injuries she suffered in the crash landing you refer to were really, really bad and only someone like her, with an iron determination, could have recovered and go on to fly again. Although, Hitler and Goering would not let her test-pilot anymore because she was a “national treasure” who needed to stay alive. She was the one, however, who guided the small aircraft carrying her and FM Robert Ritter von Greim down into Berlin on April 26, 1945, after von Greim, who was piloting, was shot in the foot from the heavy Soviet flak. She had not lost her touch, and they landed safely by the Bunker.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  343. Schuetze says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    “In May 1961, President Jack Kennedy invited Reitsch to the White House (she’s in the white coat, fourth from left)”

    Thank you for that tidbit. Now we know why the Hebrews had to have Kennedy eliminated.

  344. anarchyst says:
    @Autisticus Spasticus

    Thank you for your concise article. It is appreciated.
    However, when you speak of Christianity, the reasons for modern-day Christian “jew worship” has its roots in greed by Christian leaders, both of the past and current.
    This whole term “judeo-Christian” is an invention that came up perhaps centuries ago with Calvinism being a prime example of the adoption of the “judeo-Christian” concept.
    Previous to that, Roman Catholicism WAS a “foil” against judaism, and was relatively successful in recognizing the evils of the jews, even going so far as to marginalize them. Yes, I realize that when Christian leaders and kings needed financing for their wars, “adventures and conquests”, they turned to the jews for financing as “usury” was still considered sinful and off-limits to Catholics.
    There has always been a “love-hate” relationship between Christians and jews, the “love” part being detrimental to civil societies. We are currently in a “love” phase with jews, not a good thing…
    Regards,

  345. @Carolyn Yeager

    I should have included that Reitsch was crammed behind Greim in a one-seater Fiesler Storch, and had to lean over him to use the hand controls (no feet) to land the plane at the Brandenburg Gate. She did it. This woman never failed at anything, I guess.

  346. @Autisticus Spasticus

    Well, you reveal yourself as a denizen of Caesar Tort’s blog, chechar.wordpress.com/, who has drifted over here in search of opportunity to express yourself. Or maybe you were banned. Tort invents his own version of German National-Socialism and it’s leaders in the fantasy world he lives in. You are the same, and an admitted physical defective on top of it!

    We are all ultimately just organic machines, replicating for the sake of replicating, with no genuine autonomy or purpose. I could never bring myself to condemn a white child to such an awful fate.

    You follow with this:

    Our destruction is inevitable. Life is merely the procrastination of death.

    This last part is true, but what is death? Knowing that makes all the difference.
    Don’t bother to reply. I’m not interested your self-indulgent ‘intellectualism’.

    • Replies: @Autisticus Spasticus
  347. @Schuetze

    To me the real question is why such a mediocre writer and analyst would be picked up so quickly and promoted by Ron Unz.

    Yes, I can say this whole thing with Raches is suspicious. But not only that. The doubt about Ron jumped with his dogged promotion of China’s Covid epidemic export to the world as biowarfare from the U.S. Hasn’t Ron always pooh-poohed conspiracy theories — unless they are his own.

    The underlying theme of UR now is hatred of the USA as the world’s foremost problem! That’s what Raches is selling. Both of them are reaching for the large segment of WWII-NS-Hitler enthusiasts whom they hope to “turn East” and abandon traditional Western values. Communism, here we come! I do now consider it more likely that Raches is a Jew, though he forbids me to say it, lol. His behavior is an exact fit; he’s in fact very similar to Mevashir, who admits his Jewishness (in this thread: https://www.unz.com/aanglin/germany-96-year-old-secretary-of-doom-on-the-run-after-being-charged-with-committing-the-holocaust/?showcomments#new_comments). Always sulking.

    • Agree: Alexandros
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  348. @Weaver

    Here you go, Weaver, I just came across this: https://carolynyeager.net/russia-extends-its-anti-nazi-ban-british-authored-history-books From August 2015 –

    Moscow (AFP) – Russian officials have ordered libraries to remove books by well-known British historians John Keegan and Antony Beevor, saying they promote Nazi-era stereotypes, a spokeswoman said Wednesday.
    The move is part of a broader official push in Russia that is seeing school curricula and textbooks reshaped to cut out alleged foreign influences and provide a Kremlin-backed narrative of history.

    • Thanks: Weaver
  349. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    I’m not Croat but Albanian and posting without a name only lets you post three times a thread, per day so I couldn’t expose more of your Serbian bs. It’s funny you call Albanians foreigners while Serbs are supposedly so ancient as to descend from the copper age vinca culture lol you’re a total clueless Serb moron. You can talk about Serbian genetic bullshit but funnily enough the genetic crap shows Albanians to be the real natives not Serbs. Look up all the ancient Neolithic genetic results from ancient graves in Croatia. None of them of Serb-Slav paternal origin. There’s of course hardly anything from Serbia because the genetic results would show Serbs are just foreigners if anything. Don’t believe me then look up The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe – (( http://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135616v4 )) I cant seem to post an image from my phone on this site but they have one image of all the ancient samples they collected and none of them in croatia at least was EVER northern Slav R1a or I2b.

    Serbs are proven to be just a northern transplant nothing more. However I must admit that Serbs have some native genes, Albanian genes. Google Europe PCA plot map and find one with Albanians, then draw a mental line between Albanians and Russians and you have Serbs in the middle, that’s what you are. Foreigners that raped a bunch of poor women not too different from what generally transpired in Bosnia and Kosovo! Moreover, most of written Serbian history is total bs concocted in the 19th century by crazed psychopathic nationalists that later cry about being killed by Albanians and other people. Just goes to show how Serbs are nothing more than typical Jews in the victimization complex. Please stop spreading lies, I think you know better but you are definitely an evil Serb trying to kill honesty and truth by propagandizing people that aren’t aware of anything in the Balkan’s.

    Facts :
    >40% of Serb males were NOT Murdered by Germans in ww1
    >1 million Serbs weren’t genocided in jasnoevac
    >Serbs killed more people in both wars than were killed
    >Serbs are hardly “natives” even if you accuse half of your genes arriving in 1042 you’re paternal lineage betrays you
    >Serbs migrated into Kosovo specifically in the early 1200‘s and lost it to Turks less than 200 years later
    >Serbs WHINE about being genocided by muslims and Catholics yet paradoxically at least about muslims claim they were the shield of Europe when in fact Serbs were the first to surrender against Muslim Turks whilst “Muslim” Albanians at the time were warring against Turks
    >Serbs have a knack of spreading loads of lies on the internet so much that people that aren’t clued into Balkan ongoings such as this author smelt the Serb bs and posted an article about the fictitious murder of Serbs

    • Thanks: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Weaver
  350. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @PKZ

    Bs, Serbs are dying out and Gypsies are 1/8 of your population now. Serbs have low birth rates and were bombed into submission by nato so hard that Serbs cannot muster any fight for generations to come.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  351. @anon

    ‘…Serbs cannot muster any fight for generations to come.’

    Serbs have their weak points but I doubt if this will prove to be one of them.

    • Replies: @anon
  352. Schuetze says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    At least we know that Ron Unz is a jew, and we can regard his writing and actions with that understanding. With many other commenters we can only have our suspicions. I can certainly understand why the NSDAP forced jews to wear the yellow star, this is something they forced on themselves by their continual conspiring against the goyim. Jews want to remove anonymity from goyim on the internet, I think we should do them one better: Jews should be forced to wear a “yellow star” whenever they write on the internet, unless of course they agree to migrate to “Israel”, where they have their own country and their own IP addresses that they dragged the planet through multiple genocides to achieve.

    Having to tolerate commenters like Raches, Mevashir, Aaron, Commenter Mike and many others, is the price we pay in todays Jewish Power dominated world to be able to comment anonymously. I respect your courage for being able to allow your internet presence to be directly connected to your life in the real world. If you called me a coward for hiding behind an anonymous handle, I would have to concede. I could claim that I remain anonymous because in the country I live I could be prosecuted and persecuted. I could claim that if I was doxxed it would have repercussions for my entire family. I understand this truth, and I might be willing to expose myself and my family to these risks if I believed that would achieve something tangeable. Perhaps we closet white nationalists need some kind of a mass unveiling and perhaps you, Carolyn, could play a role in that. Perhaps you could play an important role in that awakening and uprising. At this point in time I choose to remain hidden and to wait for the correct moment to rise up.

    Back to Ron Unz, I would like to mention the reason why I keep commenting here. For me, the anonymity is critical, although I strongly suspect that UR is some type of honeypot. I hate registering over email in order to be able to comment. Even supposedly “secure” email services like protonmail are owned by Jews, as is duckduckgo. UR also does not use SSL, which means NSA, Mossad and who knows who else could easily be intercepting all the communications. I also enjoy the UR commenting engine where we can link videos and images very easily and effectively. Years ago I used to post on Zerohedge, but to this day they only permit text and comments are constantly blocked for the most inane reasons. Winterwatch is a website I comment on occasionally, but it too is primitive compared to UR.

    So anyway, I tip my hat to you and I will continue to read your comments when they appear in threads that I am interested in.

  353. Weaver says:
    @anon

    Albanians always insist on their purity. You believe Serbs have foreign genes from which part of the world?

    You supported the US war over Kosovo?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonimko
  354. Weaver says:
    @Schuetze

    You’d really get a second economy if you unveil too many. That might be partly why Nick Griffin encourages readers to take up trades. Purism offers privacy, physical devices.

    I’m not sure Mossad, as opposed to ADL, would fully view WN as enemies. They might see as useful idiots who could be convinced into supporting Israel. Israel is not going to endure, but they’re going to try; they think they need allies, even though it’s futile. Both American whites and Jews are arrogant and deluded about what’s possible; it’ll be sad when both are humbled by reality. I understand that, but I don’t understand enough to know what I should do. Maybe I fail the IQ test then. Maybe in a bit I’ll try to model what coming demographic changes will mean. Complaining achieves nothing. Politics is just a math formula. People just need to figure what’s likely to happen, then figure how to survive with their families.

    Anyone studying 4th gen war understands survival is the primary objective for WN. Too many Zionists assume everyone’s out to get Israel. They’re totally deluded, far too arrogant and angry. They don’t think, don’t try to understand opponents. They’ve been strong; so, they’ve become spoiled and thus weak, in a sense. No one is out to get Israel…

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  355. Schuetze says:
    @Weaver

    We have to understand that the democratic institutions all around us have been completely and totally corrupted. Whether it is the courts, the police, the schools, the government or even the “health” industry, and it is the same across the entire planet.

    The NSDAP was able to achieve power using “democratic” institutions, they certainly stopped trying to respect corrupted democratic institutions once they got their hands on the reigns of power. Rightfully so, I would argue. But I just don’t see how that can happen today, whether in the US, Europe or any where where “whites” still have a majority or where they constitute the heart of economic activity (ie. South Africa, other parts of Africa, or much of South America).

    I simply do not see how any kind of “Purge” of Jewish Power can occur relying on “democracy”. Things will have to get worse before they can get better, and lets face it things were much worse in Germany in the 1920’s than they are across the west.

    The problem here is that the Davos elites are planning and coordinating their own financial and social collapse, and a genocide of humanity with this plandemic and the “great reset”. The corrupt are willingly participating in their own genocide, just like the useful idiots in Russia in 1917. Add to this their planned massive waves of Kalergian economic migration, I really don’t see much hope for my grandchildren.

    My strategy is basically the mountain goat strategy. Flee to the high mountains where the parasites cannot withstand the cold and rugged environment. Perhaps a single mountain goat cannot survive, but small herds just might.

  356. @Schuetze

    Right up front I’ll thank you and say that I don’t think myself brave for using my real name. I didn’t think there was anything for me to fear, and there hasn’t been – for almost 20 years now! This is a main reason I stand up to the America-haters –maybe they do “hate us for our freedoms.” LOL. I trusted in our First Amendment and it had never failed … but it’s never been under attack like it is now. I think it will survive though.

    Yesterday, Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan told the slippery Merrick Garland (appointed as Atty. General by long-time cheater Joe Biden and approved by Jew-loving Republican senators like Lindsay Graham) that “Americans, for the first time in history, are saying they are afraid of their government.” That was the best thing said yesterday, and I am one of those, though I didn’t say it to Jim Jordan. It’s a feeling I’ve never had before, so that’s how bad it’s gotten. But it has nothing to do with America’s guilt for the World Wars, nor is it “karma.”

    Considering all this, why would any ‘White’ non-American wish for the destruction of America, with its Constitution, Bill of Rights, trial by jury, etc. and etc? Do they really think that would destroy Jewish power? For what possible reason would they prefer the rule of Chinese, knowing the history of China? It seems like pure recklessness or lack of seriousness to me. Okay, I understand the banking issue, but do they really think the Chinese are benevolent? (I see a Chinese massage therapist every week who I like very much. I think Chinese traditional medical practice is great.)

    Living where you do, you would be foolish to give your real name and personal info. HOWEVER, I want to add that all those laws were passed in Europe (other than Germany-Austria-France) since the time my activism/awareness started. The majority of Europeans went along with them gladly!! Shame on them. But I know how difficult it is to prevent this “machine” once it gets rolling. I do know that. I only say that many ‘guys’ in the USA who COULD, don’t, and I think they should. The more who do, the better it is.

    Like you, the big draw at Unz for me is the very superior user-friendly features. There’s nothing like it anywhere that I know. I’ve never had a single comment not be promptly published, and that is important to commenters, so it’s addictive. It’s hard to resist typing out a comment when it’s so easy to do, with instant gratification! And isn’t it an example of how Jews got and get ahead in white societies by helping gentiles and easing their way. In many cases, making them rich too. But here just providing a great place to meet and talk.

    I read very few of the articles and therefore comment on very few. I don’t like it that RU “owns” my comments here, but at least he tells you so. Lol. I also consider this a honeypot, but there’s nothing they can’t get off my own websites, so I just don’t worry about it. I’m not doing anything illegal.

  357. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Perhaps if Rothschild & Co go back to supporting the Serbs as they did back in the later 1800’s and first half 1900’s then they can muster a fight but remember that the Balkan’s has the same problem as the west but instead of negroes, latinos and Arabs it’s Gypsies. There’s not a single ethnostate in the Balkans because the Gypsies have exploded in numbers after ww2. Romania, Bulgaria have it the worst but Serbia is also up there, places like North Macedonia, Albania, Kosovo have high numbers as well. Montenegro, Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia all the same problem but now as severe, even Greece as well.

  358. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Weaver

    Serbs come from the north east, the Serb anon says that the Slav migrations never happened but we don’t need to believe what a book said because we can see through genes genetic distribution and ancient copper/Bronze Age/early Iron Age grave samples showing zero Slavic genes in the Balkans. Albanians aren’t pure, nobody in Europe is pure. Europe is a product of mixture between indigenous abo hunter-gatherers, Anatolian farmer migrants, and central Asian nomads. Albanians are purer than serbs but Serbs still insist on spreading disinfo so I’ll provide a counter narrative that is based on facts.

  359. @Carolyn Yeager

    Cesar Tort (or Cesar Tortilla, as I fondly call him) is an eccentric character on the far fringes of what is already a marginal movement. I believe he is correct about Christianity, and like me, he has some serious personal issues. However, his private struggles inhibit his ability to see our reality in the broadest scope for what it really is. His obsession with Nordicism and blonde nymphs is obviously born of his own insecurities regarding his Mexican heritage. He is also inclined to go on meandering monologues about the evil of psychiatry, child abuse and the exploitation of animals. It’s obvious to most of us that psychiatry is bunk, both historically and contemporarily, and nobody in their right mind would condone child or animal abuse. However, it seems equally insane to believe that everyone who eats meat or uses products derived from animals should be exterminated. Tort would inevitably end up slaughtering most of the “Aryans” whom he professes to love.

    We are all defectives, if you hold high enough standards. A tormented consciousness forever trapped in a decaying flesh prison. Who would choose such a life? I know I certainly wouldn’t, but my status as a defective does not and should not prevent me from making my voice heard. Let us not forget that Goebbels himself had a deformed foot and Hess had a revolting unibrow. I won’t indict the Führer based on the unproven speculation that he had only one testicle, but it remains a salient observation that those who demand perfection and ideological purity seldom exhibit the virtues they wish to see in others.

    I get the impression that your question “what is death?” is either rhetorical or an invitation to speculate on whether the destruction of the corporeal body is really the end for us. Since the existence of an afterlife would require our universe to be anthropocentric, which it clearly isn’t, I don’t see the point in entertaining the notion. I can offer more nuanced reasons if you have the time, but it would be another long post.

    Of course I shall bother to reply, Carolyn. I’m not the sort of man who leaves his business unfinished. You have the same name as my mother, by the way.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  360. W says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Is this person a “Holocaust Denier” even though he accepts the Raul Hilberg number of 5.1 million deaths?

    Yes. A holocaust denier is one who questions the official narrative in any way.

  361. Anonimko says:
    @Weaver

    Albanians are probably the only group in Europe which did not reach yet the civilizational threshold. A group without history, faith, literacy (got alphabet in 1908), language has a very brief history. Originated in Caucasus where were Islamised. Escaped from Khazars and brought by Arabs to the Muslim part of Sicily.

    Byzantium invaded Serbia in 1042. The emperor of Serbia, Vojislav, crushed the Byzantine army in two battles. This heavy defeat in the war with Serbia caused riots in Constantinople. The Byzantine military commander in Sicily, named George Maniac, decided to rebel with the desire to take power in Constantinople. He loaded his army on ships and a part of the Albanians, which he took with him as auxiliary companies. They took their wives and children with them. He landed in Durres with that colourful army in March 1043. Maniac brought with him only a small part of the Albanians, most of them stayed in Sicily and southern Italy. All of them were baptized and Italianized over time, so that only the memory of their origin remains with them today.

    After disembarking in Durres, the Maniac set off with his army in the direction of Constantinople. The Byzantine army intercepted the Maniac and there was a great battle in which the Maniac was killed. After his death, the remaining army surrendered. The Byzantines received Maniac’s Byzantine soldiers, but not foreigners, Albanians. These could not go back, nor did they have a place to go … They begged the Serbs to allow them to settle somewhere in the mountains where they could live off livestock … The Serbs allowed them to settle on the mountain Jablanica (today’s Albania, still has its Serbian name). They paid a symbolic tax for using the grasslands and their status was regulated by law. So, they remained shepherds for 400 years until Turks came, joined them and terrorised Christian Serbs in the following 400 years, basically, up to today. In last few decades became the leading narco dealers in the world.

    They came to Kosovo from Albanian mountains couple hundreds of years ago. Kosovo is about 90 km in radius, it has 2000 Serbian churches, monasteries and other worship places, some 1000 years old. Albanians have NOT ONE monument in Kosovo. Between 1945-2000, Serbia spent billions of dollars trying to civilise Albanians, built for them factories, schools, gave them University on Albanian (!) language, founded Academy of Science for them (a jump from 95+% illiteracy!), Library, gave them top political and corporate positions, access to diplomacy, security, high level Army ranks, sports clubs, philharmonia, emancipated their women – WITHOUT success. What a waste of money, time and energy. At that time, Albanian families had 10 children because they were financed by Serbia and whole YU, they were de facto the cancer in the Serbian body.

    Since Americans came to Kosovo in 1999, their birth rate dropped from African to European, US neither give them subsidies nor build anything, economy hardly exist, mortality from depleted uranium is high and many Albanians emigrated from Kosovo, which became the global heroin hub and a staging area for Islamic forces, preparing to act in Europe or anywhere else.

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  362. Well now, I liked this reply much better than the last one, and I do want to answer it. I want to start with your 2nd paragraph. Happy to have another opportunity to defend the Führer’s manhood by objecting to your use of the words “unproven speculation”. It’s provably false in that his personal doctor stated that he was normal in every way; nothing unusual about his genital area. Not that having only one testicle is a problem – you only need one. So I found this comment not to reflect well on you.

    Moving on to the death question. Don’t assume that I have the typical idea of an afterlife. Is the universe anthropocentric? There is no universe–only what you or I see when we look for it; it’s there for us. I am the seer and what I see is up to me but it’s usually what I’ve learned to see in association with “others” that I also see in the same way–beginning with mother. Everything is consciousness, and that is all that really exists. So no, the destruction of the corporeal body is not the end of anything real. The body is not real. Consciousness is. Consciousness remains the same with the “addition” of the body and without it. You may recognize this as Vedanta.

    Cesar Tortilla – that is funny. Kind of mean. But then the damage Cesar tries to do to the German N-S men and women with his limited understanding and knowledge makes him deserving of ridicule. It’s true that almost all people will believe those who never met Adolf Hitler over those who were countrymen and friends and associates of the living Hitler. It’s really perverse.

    So now I can be confident you will reply, and if your comments on death are longer than mine, that’s okay. Just don’t get caught up in useless intellectualism, please.

  363. Anonimko says:

    There are some quite good comments in this thread but it is not moron proof, either. Morons are usually in same time liars and they write some comments assuming that all other readers are morons, too. Maybe the most of readers are not interested much in Jasenovac or Serbian history but they are sufficiently smart to draw some conclusion based on some facts and photos I presented above. One of several reasons why various groups hate Serbs is because of their history. It is genetically and anthropologically proven their continuity in Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) from the Ice Age up to today. Serbian language is several thousands of years old language, evolved directly from Vinca language and it is the oldest European language, older than Latin, ‘ancient’ Greek and Hebrew. From this language evolved all Slavic languages and influenced almost all European languages, which are not older than the 12th c.AC. One of younger derivatives is Sanskrit which was brought by Aryans to SAsia. It means that Serbs are European Aborigines and it is understandable why no one provided (so far) ONE single primary evidence that they migrated from somewhere to Balkan in the 7th c.AC (still, a bottle of red, globally delivered, will be waiting until the end of this thread).

    I skimmed some previous (non-moronic) comments and some key words resonate in my ears – e.g. Germans ‘lebensraum’, Aryans, etc (some other later).

    It is less known (probably totally unknown to the most of readers) how this ‘lebensraum’ process started. Well, historically, Germans lived on the west side of Rhein (today’s France) and Serbs lived on the east side. It is a long story how Germans over many centuries succeeded in pushing Serbs from their land and germanised many of them. However, this part of Serbian (and German) history is sufficiently well documented. For example, Niklot was a chief or prince of the Serbian tribe Bodrici and an ancestor of the House of Mecklenburg. His son, Pribislav, founded the longest ruling dynasty (1167 – 1918).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklot

    https://thereaderwiki.com/en/House_of_Mecklenburg

    There is a list of Serbian Bodric leaders (795 – 1167) who were the rulers of Bodric landsand who were later the Dukes and Grand Dukes of Mecklenburg. This list of dukes and grand dukes of Mecklenburg dates from the origins of the princely state of Mecklenburg’s royal house since 1167 AC to the monarchy’s abolition at the end of World War I (1918).

    https://thereaderwiki.com/en/Dukes_of_Mecklenburg

    There are many side links which can be used for the potential future research. Having expanded their lebensraum to today’s Germany, Germans did not stop than tried to push this space further on the east.

    In this context, we can ask about Aryans, who were instrumentalised by this ideology. After 200 years of research, have we finally established who were Aryans? Another bottle of red?
    It is not strange that some artificial nations, without own history, language and culture, which were created mostly from converts 70-100-200 years ago, so strongly hate Serbs because they are ever present witnesses of their conversion. This is one of main antecedents of such monstrous pathological killing place, the eclipse of human conscience, as it was Jasenovac.

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    , @anon
  364. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Schuetze

    I seriously doubt UR is a honeypot as there are many other avenues the intelligence organs have for monitoring dissent, they don’t need a site like this. More likely it’s a limited hangout, as evidenced by Ron’s stupidity on COVID, which is virtually indistinguishable from the MSM. (He thinks the US unleashed a deadly virus requiring lockdowns and experimental mass vaccination, the MSM think it’s China’s fault, same difference.)

    Put it this way: the global oligarchs don’t give a shit if anyone believes official nonsense about WW2 concentration camps, but you’d better not think the American Deep State and CCP are collaborating in any way in the scamdemic/plandemic.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  365. Schuetze says:
    @Anonymous

    Sure, it could be “limited hangout” in the sense that certain authors on the site create content that fits this limited information profile. Contributors like Derbyshire assiduously avoid any discussion of Jewish Power, while constantly defaming the NSDAP, and this is pretty much the definition of limited hangout.

    But I think UR, wittingly or not, serves as a honeypot in that various extreme opinion and positions are expressed that are instantly banned in other similar blogs or aggregators. This surely would prove a service to people trying to really measure opinion or mood when everything else is manipulated or distorted. It would be similar to the placebo control groups in the vaccine trials for Pfizer and Moderna. The importance of having these control groups is substantiated by the way that Pfizer and Moderna rapidly vaccinated all test subjects who had received the placebo as soon as the EUA was granted in order to cover their corrupted tracks.

  366. @Anonimko

    For people to hate/envy the Serbs for the reasons you point out they’d have to be aware of the ancient history you mention, and most, if not all, of them are ignorant of it. Until recently even the Serbs accepted 19th century Germanic historical fabrications about their own origins. Most people don’t have the time to care about Serbia. However it is another matter when it comes to politicians who are seeking to dominate geopolitical events in the Balkans and further afield and are guided by their traditional anti-Slavism, among other motives.

    • Replies: @Anonimko
  367. Incitatus says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “It’s provably false in that his personal doctor stated that he was normal in every way; nothing unusual about his genital area. Not that having only one testicle is a problem – you only need one.

    Score another win for the Hungarian Hausfrau (who’s antecedents fled Hungary for the USA, not Germany). She’s the expert in two-time felon suicidal vagabond Austrian testicle(s). And welcome to it!

    Perhaps Carolyn aspires to an advanced degree in NSDAP sexual plumbing? Coupled with the Führer’s oft mentioned death wish, culminating with poisoning his new frau and blowing his brains out with a Walther PPK 7.65? After poisoning his dog Blondi and having her pups shot?

    Good luck Carolyn.

  368. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    BTW, anyone who thinks the Russians are going to be any help here should ponder this:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-says-russia-will-allow-continued-attacks-syria-after-bennett-putin-talks

    Putin is absolutely fucking useless, worse than Trump. Russia needs a military coup, clearly. Can’t wait to hear the Team Russia nut-huggers here rationalize this.

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
  369. syd.bgd says:
    @Anonymous

    Ever heard ‘hasbara’ word? Or ‘hutzpa’ one? The article is classics of both.
    Only completely naive can believe that. Israelis fly their f35, Russian track them,and learn a lot. They have much bigger fish to fry.
    Syrians have to be alert and skilled, their land and upgraded soviet toys. Russian wil not defend them from israel, but tafkiri terrorists and ideology. As well as Iranians, by the way. So, they have a homework to do.
    When will you learn that Russia officialy pledged that she will protect their citizens in zarubeznaya?
    Litteraly 6/10 Israelis are imperial and post soviet jews.
    Think about damn it.

  370. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    Thinking about it, what we can conclude here is that the Iranian contribution to saving Syria from Mossad-CIA mercenaries (aka ISIS) is substantially greater than the Russian contribution. (As is well known, Hezbollah effectively defeated the IDF in Lebanon.) Like Trump, Putin is just playing a role here (also like Trump, not very convincingly either). Keep on riding those hypersonic missiles, Team Russia!

    • Replies: @Avery
  371. @Autisticus Spasticus

    My comment #366 is my reply to this. Somehow, it didn’t register.

  372. Avery says:
    @Anonymous

    You are either clearly misinformed or a disinformation ‘agent’.

    Go back and check what actually happened in Syria.

    Both SAA and IRG volunteers were fighting heroically, but SAA was slowly, relentlessly losing ground to the Islamist invasion army.

    The tide changed when RuAF came in and started pulverizing Islamist/IRIS cannibals: the terrorist filth had no defense against the RuAF and cruise missiles raining down on them from the Caspian sea. Plus, Russian presence completely eliminated the possibility of the NATO Criminals from declaring Syrian air space a “No Fly Zone”, which they were threatening to do and would have done. Without Russia, Syria would be gone.

    As to the zerohedge BS: nothing Israel publicly says can be taken as anything other than disinformation. They will lie, will twist things that were actually said, they will manufacture stuff…. If you believe what Israelis are saying your are either hopelessly naive or…..

    Nobody – other than Putin himself and his inner circle – knows what Kremlin is planning to do or will do. Russians never – never – telegraph what they are going to do. We will hear about it when they actually do it. And this needs repeating: Russians are not Americans. They do things their own way; they don’t react like the posters at UNZ — sitting safely in their offices — wish them to do. Russian leadership, unlike Western leaders, worry about Russia, Russian national interests, and citizens of Russia. They are not obligated to scratch anybody’s “Jew/Israel itch”.

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  373. @Realist

    I think I have mentioned it before but if you are interested in the U. S. action against foreign nations since WWII try to get a copy of the book The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War by Stephen Kinzer.

    Many seem to view Kinzer as some kind of “rebel,” or perhaps a “heretic,” who has spent decades engaged in actively interrogating the structures of systemic tribalism — but is he really? Let’s take a closer look:

    – He was employed as a narrative promoter by the Sulzberger Blog for many years — yeah that’s not a good sign.

    – He’s a notorious Armenian genocide denialist and all-around Armenophobe. In non-Turks, this is a real red flag for toxic semitism, as it’s a position promoted by many prominent semitic supremacist organizations, both because of the perceived “threat” to their “Supreme Victiim” status, and for historical reasons related to conflict between the two peoples for similar economic niches under the Ottoman Empire. [Jews referred to Armenians as “Amalekites,” which is a common semitic dog whistle for genocidal hatred.]

    – His wikipedia entry conspicuously lacks the customary “Early Life” section, but “Kinzer” is often an Ashkenazi surname — and he openly signals his semitic supremacist bona fides in the dedication to his book Reset, where he proudly declares that his grandparents were martyrs to the state religion of Holocaustianity.

    – Looking at a couple of Kinzer’s more notorious screeds, we can see a fairly obvious pattern in his narratives — take a story where semitic supremacism played an obvious, undeniable, and clearly malevolent role… and construct a modified limited hangout that targets his supposed “Fellow White People” as the real culprits, while minimizing the role of systemic tribalism:

    Bitter Fruit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Zemurray#Early_life

    Poisoner in Chief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Gottlieb#Early_years_and_education

    Does this mean that Kinzer’s works cite absolutely no useful facts? Of course not. But the instrumental purpose behind his narratives, and their overall message, clearly serve the interests of semitic supremacism.

  374. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    Really, that’s the story you’re going with? That Putin’s not really letting the Israelis continue their indiscriminate bombing of Syria (which they’ve been doing for years), this story is just Israeli disinformation? Wow, that’s an even stupider rationalization than I thought you clowns would come up with; good job!

    BTW, let me guess: you believe that Hitler sent a top secret bone crushing machine to Zagreb in 1945, right?

  375. Anonimko says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Agree with every your sentence, in ‘internal’ communication I am even much sharper. It is sad that to many is more interesting a dilemma of one or two testicles while they don’t know anything about the origins of European civilisation, culture and white race.

    I use this opportunity to give a credit to T.Dalton for publishing all my comments, in spite of this that I was critical on him because he unknowingly (I hope) tried to make a case based on Ustashas’ propaganda and lies (repeated here by couple Ustashas’ followers) and compromised his own conclusions.

  376. The days of the “6 million” are numbered, and I suspect that Goldman, Goldstein, and friends know it. When that crumbles, so too collapses what little remains of Jewish credibility. When the orthodox Holocaust story goes down, the dominoes may well begin to fall. And when that happens, all bets are off.

    I’m not too sure about that. Much of history has less to do with facts than the power of who gets to control the discourse. So, even if it’s proven beyond a doubt that 6 million didn’t die, the myth can go on as long as the Power decides if it must. The Power controls the knob and can amplify or mute whatever it wants — consider George Floyd, who died of overdose, has been canonized while Derek Chauvin will rot in prison for 22 yrs for merely having done his job of protecting blue city yuppie elites from black thugs. Most people don’t do independent research and, as normies, just go with the Official Narrative. Now, there are surely historians and the like who know the 6 million figure is a gross exaggeration, but they fear being ostracized and/or blacklisted. Being labeled a ‘denier’ is tantamount to heresy in our so-called secular order with new gods, namely the Tri-Idolatry or Tridolatry of Jews, Negroes, and Homos. The Power will denounce you, and the normies will reject you as a ‘neo-nazi’, ‘white supremacist’, ‘anti-semite’, or some nutjob crank because they almost never look or think beyond what they got from public education and Jewish-run ‘mainstream media’.

    This is why honest people fear telling the truth. They are caught between the Power and the People. The Power is mainly concerned with control and will spin any narrative, push any lie, and suppress any truth to maintain its grip(and the Power operates likewise all over the world, no less so in China, Iran, and Russia with their own sacraments and taboos). The People, most of whom are ‘normies’, are easily manipulated by the Power. In some ways, they are more easily manipulated in so-called ‘liberal democracies’ due to the conviction-bordering-on-faith that the People are free. In truth, people in so-called ‘democracies’ get to vote for whore-pawns vetted and bought/sold by the oligarchs who also own nearly all the media that hire mostly flunkies, careerists, propagandists, and activists(in line with oligarchic agendas). Under communism, people were more skeptical because they knew everything was propaganda.

    To be sure, in the so-called ‘liberal’ West, there was certainly lot more freedom than under Stalinism or Maoism, but the danger lay in the fallacy that better is best. If Bob the gangster is a better person than Tom the gangster, a real psychopath, it still doesn’t mean Bob is a good person. Though not as terrible as Tom, he too is a criminal, a thug, and even a killer. The so-called ‘liberal West’ was undoubtedly freer than communist systems(or other hardline forms of autocracy) and more kinds of speech were allowed, but that doesn’t mean it was the bastion of truth. But the cult of ‘muh democracy’ and ‘muh free speech’ fooled a lot of people that they are getting the truth from the media(because it’s part of the ‘free press’) in a society committed to free inquiry, free speech, and freedom of conscience. But like the hare that took for granted its lead over the tortoise, people in the West have been complacent in the assumption that they are living in the best of all possible worlds in terms of freedom and truth(and prosperity). This has resulted in ‘insouciance’, as Paul Craig Roberts calls it, that has led to so much erosion of liberties and rights before our eyes. Even as people in the West keep losing more liberties and rights, they always assure themselves, “I’m living in a liberal democracy, therefore I’m free… unlike those living in autocratic Russia or China.”

    Of course, the West was always under some kind of oligarchic power, but it’s getting worse because it’s ruled by Jews who refuse to even acknowledge their dominant position(fueled by a tribal sense of supremacism & contempt), lack any sense of magnanimity, have intoxicated themselves on moral narcissism, and are caught in the web of their own paranoia. In the West, never has so much power been concentrated in the hands of so few who are so hostile toward and derisive of those they rule over. Why else would they push for the Great Replacement or White Nakba? It’s because Jews don’t regard white folks as their own people but as the Goy Other that must be kept in their place, and what better and more permanent way to destroy white power than by demographically eclipsing whites with non-white goyim. Jews say O Vey, whites better Obey. The current West is something like an ‘oligomocracy’, i.e. it’s totally controlled by the oligarchy but within the framework of what appears to be a democracy.

    Honest people find themselves caught between the Power that prioritizes control and the People who gobble up whatever slop they’re fed. It’s the Glob and the Mob. Consider how the Twitter Mob works. Them ‘woke'(or Jewoke) idiots swallow all the crap fed them by the Jewish-controlled media and academia. They think they are more ‘sophisticated’, ‘evolved’, and ‘hip’ because they get their ideas and views from supposed ‘progressives’ with elevated elite credentials. Not that American ‘conservatives’ are much better as they wolf down all the crap fed them on Talk Radio which is mostly controlled by Neocon monopolists. (And even alternative voices like Alex Jones would have us believe Arabs own Hollywood and China has something to do with diminishing freedom in the West.) These proggies feel smarter because they hang around tonier parts of the city, attended fancier colleges, watch Young Turks, listen to NPR, and maybe have a subscription to the New Yorker. Now, one can get lots of valuable news and information from such sources — they sure beat the 700 Club and much of Talk Radio — , but all said and done, they dare not venture outside the boundaries of discourse as insisted by Jewish Power. Indeed, the sudden war on Free Speech by so-called ‘progressives’ has been instigated from above by Jewish supremacist opinion-makers.

    They are not about free-ranging intelligence in search of truth but corralled and tamed ‘intelligentry’ in service to Jewish Power and the gods it controls. Jews fear true secularism where people are free to use reason and facts in pursuit of worldview that comports with reality. Such secularism favors no side as plenty of dirt can be dug up about any group. It could dig up lots of dirt on Anglos, Germanics, and Slavs but also plenty on Jews, blacks, homos, and etc. Mao Zedong soon realized his system couldn’t be sustained by the principles of the Hundred Flowers Campaign. For a season or two, something like a real liberal spirit prevailed in China as people were allowed to say anything, even against the party. Few drips turned into a torrent that then threatened to break the dam of party authority. Likewise, the liberal experiments in Czechoslovakia in the mid 60s eventually led to Prague Spring that challenged the very authority of the Communist Party. Soviet tanks had to roll in to turn the tide. Mikhail Gorbachev had his own Hundred Flowers Campaign called Glasnost and, unlike Mao who soon reversed course, he allowed it to take root and grow. Result was a million complaints from the people and the utter demoralization of party members. It wasn’t long before the whole edifice of Soviet authority crumbled. (Of course, by then, all of Eastern Europe had given up on communism and looked to the West for aid, guidance, and investment.)
    In order for communism or at least communist party authority to remain, the Marxist brand of secularism had to enforce its sacraments and taboos. While lots of things could be questioned, certain things could not be. Marx and Lenin were gods, and communism was ‘scientific materialism’, and only a mentally ill person would dare question it.
    Truth and facts are neutral. So, the Power wants truth and facts to shed light on the bad of the enemies and rivals but not of itself. The Power encourages the educated class to dig up all manner of dirt about the other side(s), even rewarding those who manufacture falsehoods(as with the Russia Collusion Hoax, Assad Gas Attack Hoax, and Jussie Smollett Hoax). The Power seeks flaws in the arguments and ideologies of competing powers but not in its own. Thus, secularism can never be totally rational or factual because the Power favors its own control than the general truth.
    In a genuine liberal-secular democracy/republic, free speech and free discourse can boomerang on the Power as the educated class(often filled with resentment against the rich and privileged) may well critique the Power itself. Indeed, this is exactly what happened with the Anglo elites in US and UK. Even though they had plenty of educated men on their side, they also had to contend with the increasing chorus of criticism coming from within and without their own ranks, not least from Jews.
    In regards to the Power, there are two natural tendencies among the People: Submission and Rebellion, and the two tendencies often co-exist. As often as not, rebellion is borne of resentment of not having been favored and/or approved by the Power than based on any real principle, though all rebels pretend they are motivated by higher values, and the same goes for submission, i.e. people join the Power and collaborate for personal gain, careerism, and peace of mind(as dissent can lead to harassment, purging, and even death) than out of any deep conviction. Most people are benders than standers.

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    At any rate, the Power is likely to attract as much criticism and pushback as cooperation and support in a free society. The opposition could be a matter of partisanship or personal conscience, as is true of compliance. When Anglo-Americans ruled the US, they had both lots of supporters and lots of critics. Of course, the influence of criticism altered the character of the ruling elites, in which case the once-supporters could become the new critics and once-critics the new supporters. Or, the change came about because the character of the support was altered by the influence of media and academia. After all, even the supporters of the Anglo-American Christian Order were bombarded by the Jewish-controlled media, and their children(groomed to work for the Power) were shaped by the increasingly Jewish-dominated academia. Consider the fate of the GOP. At times, the leadership came under Jewish influence and mandated a new set of ‘values’ for American Conservatives to follow, but at other times, the rank-and-file were altered by Jewish Influence and exerted pressure on the leadership to change course; or else, they threatened to leave the Party for the Democrats or the Independents.

    No doubt, Jews understood this aspect of the secular-liberal dynamics of Power. Free Society meant free speech, and free speech meant the freedom of conscience and the free play of ideology to critique and challenge power and authority. Indeed, no group than the Jews did more to involve itself in taking apart, deconstructing, exposing, and invalidating the existing concentrations of Power, indeed so much so that, Jewish influence was seen almost as synonymous with social critique, dissent, ideological radicalism, and other modes of rebellion/dissidence, so much so that even anti-Jewish groups and those at odds with Jewish agendas developed grudging respect for Jews as standard-bearers of civil liberties. Now, we know it was either just a ploy or something Jews came to regret.

    Secular freedoms can support and protect any side but also subvert and tear it down. One can use free speech to spread and defend Christianity or to mock and expose it as a delusion or hypocrisy. One can use free speech for or against Marxism. Secularism, in and of itself, doesn’t have sacred cows, and that means ANYTHING can be critiqued, appraised, questioned, attacked, mocked, impugned, and etc.
    Marxists understood this very well, which is why they made Marx and Lenin the new sacred cows. You could question, criticize, and condemn religions, capitalism, feudalism, traditionalism, liberalism, and etc. in a Marxist state but one could not question the ‘scientific’ and ‘materialist’ truth of Marx and Engel’s ideas. After all, if secularism in a communist state could critique and diagnose Marxism like any other ideology or worldview, it could be delegitimized in the eyes of the public, not least because so many Marxist policies weren’t working according to plan.

    Jews are no different than Marxists in their grip on power. Though Jews today are super-capitalists and the LAST THING they want is communism, they know that the current Power Arrangement cannot allow total free speech founded on absolute commitment to secularism. They prefer a sacral-secularism, or ‘securalism’ whereby Jews get to pick and choose what is holy and unholy. Jews know that official religions aren’t possible in a secular order, and so, they use media and academia to generate sacral-emotions on certain topics. That way, Jews can have the cake and eat it too: Jews can maintain what is ostensibly a secular order without official religions but also have a population that feels, thinks, and behaves as virtual spiritualists on certain matters.
    Under this order, there are three kinds of qualities: Holy, Material, and Unholy. ‘Holy’ are those subjects that command reverence & piety and, therefore, cannot be discussed freely; one must idolize, mourn, and/or celebrate them. As the Michael Jackson and Oprah cults have shown, people can be made to feel ‘holy-schmoly’ about anyone or anything. ‘Material’ are those subjects that are unrelated to the Holy and, therefore, can be discussed freely: Like the science of dairy products or the migratory behavior of birds. ‘Unholy’ are those matters that pose a danger to the Holy and, therefore, cannot be discussed freely; they must be condemned outright and, in the absence of legal protection of free speech, banned, as is already the case in UK, Canada, and EU.

    MLK, Mandela, George Floyd, Globo-Homo, and Jews are holy. All Good People must gush about them. Covid-19 and ‘vaccines’ have also entered the realm of the Holy; the ‘jabs’ and the never-ending boosts are the new communion rituals. If you dare to discuss Covid-19 freely and speculate as to the effectiveness of Ivermectin, you are a heretic and must be mocked as a ‘horse-dewormer’ taking devil-worshiper. Most diseases and treatments are in the ‘Material’ realm, or open to free scientific discourse, but Covid-19 and the ‘vaccines’ are not; the only allowable ‘science’ is the one pushed by the Jewish Globalist World order that controls the Deep State, Big Pharma, and Big Media. Indeed, notice how the nay-sayers of the ‘vaccines’ are effectively ‘excommunicated’ from the church of ‘trust-the-science'(or schwience). And of course, anyone who dares to freely discuss the problems of racial differences, black crime, Jewish perfidy, homosexual decadence, tranny nuttery, and etc. are immediately deemed ‘Unholy’; everything is done to ban such voices from media, academia, and even internet platforms that once used to be bastions of free speech. Like the Marxists in communist nations, Jewish Supremacists realized their grip on supremacy isn’t tenable in a world of free flowing opinions and ideas where anyone and everything can come under scrutiny, criticism, and reappraisal. ‘Unholy’ views are immediately and roundly attacked as ‘far right’, ‘hateful’, and etc., funny coming from a people who’ve committed the most violence and mass killings since the end of the Cold War. Just ask the Arabs and Muslims whose policies led to the destruction of millions of them. They were victims of Jewish-Supremacist policies that animate the cuckish aggressions of the Anglo-managed US and UK.

    Something of the Jewish character can be glimpsed from a consideration of Anne Frank and Leo Frank. The comparison may seem perverse as one was an innocent victim of Nazi inhumanity whereas the latter was a pervert-murderer. But, not if the comparison focuses on the Jewish Reaction to the two individuals(or the two events they’re associated with), and it has to do with Denial, a term usually associated with the Holocaust but which applies so often to Jewish reactions to events. Even to this day, Jews are in USS Liberty Denial mode. While Nazi horrors were many times more murderous and destructive than Israel’s attack on the US ship, the nature of the lie is the same: A pathological inability to face up to the truth for purpose of ethnocentrism. (Ironically, Holocaust Denialists and Holocaust Dogmatists have more in common than they realize. Both are invested in History as Faith, either in the total innocence or absolute guilt of the Germans. This false dichotomy has made it virtually impossible to have a true historical discussion on the subject as anyone suspected of ‘revisionism’ is thrown into the Denial Camp.) What matters is the attack on USS Liberty was clearly a hostile act by Israel, but to this day, Jews refuse to own up to what happened. And not just the Israeli government, which would at least be understandable, but Jews all around the world. What does this say about Jewish Power and the general character of Jewishness when most Jews aren’t willing to face up to the most obvious facts?

    And if Jews aren’t willing to face up to what happened to USS Liberty, why would they be any more honest or principled on far graver matters? And if most Jews, ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’, so readily circle the wagons on something so obvious and undeniable, the only logical conclusion is that, for most Jews, ethnic unity and power take precedence uber alles. Besides, it’s not as if Jewish criminality has been limited to isolated incidents like the USS Liberty attack. Jewish finance played a significant role in the expansion of European Imperialism, not least the Anglo kind. Jews had a key role in the Atlantic Slave Trade(at least in South America) and the forced sale of opium to China. Jewish merchants played a role in the Westward expansion and the ‘genocide’ of the American Indians. Jews wiped Palestine off the map, and Jewish radicalism played a key, even decisive, role, in the spread of communism and its horrors that led to the deaths of millions. And since the end of the Cold War, World Jewry have been the main butchers of the world as overlords of the lone superpower, the US, the foreign policy priority of which has been appeasing Zion by serving as its murderous attack dog. Just ask the Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, and many others.
    Furthermore, Jews have been the main concocters of this ‘wokeness'(or Jewokeness) that plants poison seeds in the souls of whites(mainly via Afromania and Globo-Homo degeneracy) and prepares the West for White Nakba.

    But, because Jewish Power has been dispersed among various nations in which goy ‘buffers’ were often employed to do the bidding of Zion, much of Jewish Evil has been attributed to anyone but Jews. So, Iraq War is blamed on George W. Bush and ‘Neocons'(with Cheney and Rumsfeld as the most prominent faces), and most of the current lunatic policies are blamed on Joe Biden even though he’s just a puppet of his Jewish Handlers. Even when Jews were considerably less powerful in the past, they had sway over key members of the goy elites via the control of money.
    What all this means is that, while Jews have much to accuse the goy world of, they also have much to be accused of and much to answer for. Also, apart from the policies of National Socialist Germany that sought to be Jew-Free, thereby making its crimes its own, it’s not so easy to differentiate the Jewish Role from the Goy Role in much of the Modern West. Jews, like the Irish, collaborated in much of British Imperialism. If most Irish did it as foot-soldiers, Jews did it as financiers. So, ironically, National Socialism rendered Jews the most innocent of German crimes during the Nazi Era, whereas the Western Powers that allowed Jewish participation made Jews accomplices in their ‘racist’ domination of the world. Not that any of this matters in the current Jewish-controlled Historiography whereby we are to believe Jews were always pure-as-snow innocents who were totally blameless of Western Imperialism and, if anything, the main poor hapless victims of Western ‘antisemitism’.

    Though Anne Frank and Leo Frank are two very different individuals, both have been shrouded by Jewish Lies. Thus, what unites them is the culture of Jewish Mendacity. Never mind the stuff about Anne Frank story being partly created by her father. Never mind the rather ludicrous canonization of some Jewish Girl into the new madonna. We can accept that she was a nice girl and met a sad fate(though she died of disease than gassing or a bullet to her head). The LIE is in propping her cult as the main face of Jewishness, thereby creating a false impression as to why there was so much anti-Jewish hatred and why the Germans were driven to such extremes. It’d be like using some Japanese girl who died in Hiroshima as the main face of Japan’s place in World War II.
    Now, clearly many innocent children of all nationalities perished in the war, and there’s no problem in remembering and mourning Jewish children who died in the Shoah. And Japanese children who died in the war should be remembered as well. But the war against Japan wasn’t about some crazed desire to kill innocent Japanese girls. Rather, Japanese children were the unfortunate and tragic casualties of a war in which Japanese adults in powerful positions decided to play with fire. To understand Japan’s role in WWII, one needs to focus on the politicians, industrialists, military men, ideologues, and the Emperor. Likewise, even though many innocent Jews, even children, were persecuted and killed in WWII, no real understanding of the Jewish Role in the war can be understood without taking into account the dangerous and even reckless roles played by Jewish radicals, bankers, gangsters, fraudsters, corrupters, and perverts. Remembering Anne Frank as a sad child victim of History is a decent thing to do, but using her as the Face of Jewishness in the Modern Era is utterly bogus.
    After all, Germans could do the same. Consider all the innocent German children who were killed by bullets or bombs, or who were raped(most likely by Soviet troops), or perished from starvation and disease. All such lives should be remembered, but it’d be foolish to use her story as exemplary of Germany’s role in World War II. No, Germany got embroiled in the horrors because of Adolf Hitler and his reckless worldview(though it certainly wasn’t helped by Josef Stalin, FDR, Winston Churchill, and others itching for some kind of major conflagration). Anne Frank Cult as the face of the Holocaust Narrative overlooks the role of Jewish Power that led to the rise of Hitler and the National Socialists. Germans went to the dark side not because they wanted to hurt innocent Jewish children but had-it-up-to-here with the crimes and corruption of Jewish Power. However, in handing power to a bunch of radical Anti-Semites, there was the danger of innocent Jews getting it in the neck as well. But innocent Japanese also got burned for the crimes of their rulers.
    Granted, it’s never quite simple to draw a clear line between guilt and innocence. After all, many Japanese supported the policies of their rulers. But then, their minds were largely manipulated by the rulers who controlled the media, so there was a kind of circular logic to the mania. Likewise, many Jews did nothing to restrain the vileness of their tribal elites(and little has changed over the years as Jews like Norman Finkelstein and Max Blumenthal are exceptions than the rule) and a good number of them participated, though not as key players, in the vile machinations of their tribal leaders. So, absolute guilt and absolute innocence are virtually non-existent. One could say children are innocent, which is true enough, but it’s only a matter of time before children are indoctrinated into soldiers of the regime, much like it’s only a matter of time before tiger cubs grow into predators. Children are innocent in the moment but not in their destinies, most of which are controlled by external forces; besides, even the internal drives of human nature leads one to aggression, competition, domination, or service to dominant forces.

    If Jews used an innocent girl, Anne Frank, as the face of all Jews threatened or killed in the World War II period, Jews denied the guilt of Leo Frank altogether even though he was most certainly guilty of the rape-murder. A case of rape-murder denial. Though only one girl was raped and killed by Leo Frank, the Jewish pathology behind the denial isn’t much different in kind from the denial of those who naysay all documented details of the Shoah. In some ways, it’s worse among Jews because, whereas Holocaust Denial is a fringe phenom among goyim, Leo-Frank’s Rape-Murder Denial has been the mainstay of Jewish Power and Jewish Majority, much like USS Liberty Attack Denial. Add to this the Jewish Virtual-or-Emotional Denial of the Rosenbergs’ guilt in slippling atomic secrets to Stalin. While most Jews came to admit Rosenbergs were guilty of the act, they melodramatized the Narrative to make the Rosenbergs and other communists the ‘victims’ of ‘red-baiting’ and ‘paranoid’ anti-communists. So, even when Jews admit a good number of Jews were involved in treason and treachery, they canonize the guilty as ‘victims’ while reviling the prosecutors as subhuman persecutors of all things decent and humane.

    Leo Frank was eventually lynched by a mob that just about had enough. He was only one person, indeed the only Jew ever lynched on American Soil. Therefore, it may seem ridiculous and perverse to compare his case with the Holocaust where, purportedly, 6 million Jews perished(though the real number is probably half that), Anne Frank included. US was good to Jews, Germany of the Nazi period was horrible for Jews. And yet, history and truth aren’t merely about numbers. One Jew or Six Million Jews, the motivations of goy hatred could be the same. Thus, what the Leo Frank Case(the death of one Jew) and the Anne Frank Case(the death of millions of Jews) have in common is the Jewish tendency to commit horrific crimes and use the tribal network to circle the wagons.
    Lucky for Jews, such Jewish behavior led to minimum anti-Jewish violence in the US(relatively speaking), but consider the goy rage in both US and Germany. In the US, southern white goyim were more than willing to give Leo Frank the benefit of doubt and his day in court. Frank wasn’t treated like some Negro but had all the legal defense one could hope for. And yet, facts proved his guilt beyond a doubt, and the proper thing for Jews would have been to make him face justice. But, what did the Jewish community do? They circled the wagons. They chose tribal ethnocentrism over justice for the dead goy girl. Apparently, the life of a Jewish rapist-murderer was more precious than the life of a goy girl seen as little more than a shikse whore(later to replayed by Roman Polanski’s case). Jews not only refused to face up to facts but tried to frame a Negro. And then, the Jewish Press slandered southern whites(who’d been kindly to Jews) as a bunch of raving ‘anti-semites’ when they’d offered Leo Frank every opportunity to prove his innocence. The real issue isn’t that Leo Frank was a creep. All groups have their rapist-murderer creeps; John Gacy was no Jew. The issue was the Jewish Community went out on a limb to protect a fellow Jew despite his obvious guilt(and things are even worse today, with Jonathan Pollard giving the US a middle finger as he swaggers around Israel as a ‘hero’).

    The Southern White Goy community just about had enough and took matters into its own hands. They grabbed Leo Frank from the jail cell and lynched him. The goy rage wasn’t much different from what would happen among Germans during the Weimar Period, in which many German Jews, backed by World Jewry, did horrible things to the German economy, culture, and political process, which they would repeat all over again in Russia of the 1990s. But, the difference is German Rage put radical Anti-Semites in power, and the Nazis had a worldview not so different from that of Jews: supremacism. Just like so many Jews felt Jews could never do wrong and should always circle the wagons to protect other Jews, guilty or innocent, the National Socialist direction for Germany was Aryans Uber Alles.
    Still, the rage that many German citizens felt that drove them to support the National Socialists wasn’t much different from the rage felt by the Southern White mob that finally had had enough of Leo Frank and had him lynched. In both cases, goyim were driven to the limit by Jewish vileness. Historically, Germany had been less anti-Jewish than most European nations, but Germans came to believe that their relative niceness toward Jews only emboldened Jews to act more shitty. Likewise, historically the American South had been kinder to Jews, but how did Jews pay back this favoritism? They circled the wagons to defend the loathsome Leo Frank, the rapist-murderer of a white Christian girl.

    Most crucially, both the US and Germany failed to do the right thing. In the case of Germany, the new regime went after ALL Jews. Even if many Jews had acted badly, there was no reason to target all Jews as the majority of Jews hadn’t been gangsters, communist radicals, or financial thieves. And some were patriots who had fought in World War I and respected German culture. In going after all Jews, National Socialism disgraced itself and finally blackened German reputation with war and genocide.
    One would like to believe the American Example was infinitely better. After all, Americans didn’t go after all Jews but targeted one Jew, the guilty Leo Frank. Not that Jews ever appreciated this as they lionized Leo Frank as a saint, and the organization that grew out of the incident, ADL, now serves as the ‘moral’ muscle of Jewish Power and twists arms everywhere to push for Censchwarzship.
    Still, it’s surely far more sensible to go after the one guilty Jew than go after an entire community. Better to kill one bad person than kill ‘six million’, among whom the good are mixed with the bad. And yet, Americans also made a fatal mistake in the Leo Frank case. While only Leo Frank was responsible for the rape and murder of the white girl, much of the Jewish Community had been downright vile and verminous in trying to exonerate him out of tribal solidarity that smacked of racial supremacism: “We Jews are above the law when it comes to harming lowly goyim.” (What’s truly disgusting is that, even after all these years, Jews have doubled-down on the rape-murder denial and pretend as if Leo Frank is their own ‘Emmett Till’, all the funnier when even the real Emmett Till wasn’t the ‘Emmett Till’ of myth, though St. George Floyd takes the cake when it comes to perfidious Jewish-manufactured idolatry. Even though the white mob was pushed to extreme measures against Leo Frank because of the dirty Arnold-Rothstein machinations of the Jewish Community, Jews have blame only the whites, never themselves.)

    The real shame of the Leo Frank case isn’t that some lowlife Jew was lynched. It’s that White Americans didn’t go far enough and do more. While it’s a good thing that White Americans never became radically deranged like the Germans under National Socialism, they failed to realize that the main villain of the Leo Frank case wasn’t Leo Frank himself but the Jewish Power Network defined by Jewish Tribal Supremacism. Indeed, Leo Frank would have been summarily tried and sentenced, and that would have been that had it not been for obnoxious Jewish meddling. The case was prolonged and perverted because Jews pulled every string in the book to prevent justice for the rape-murder victim. So, while Leo Frank was guilty of his crime, the Jewish Power Network was guilty of something far more egregious and consequential: Corruption of the justice system, and for what? Jewish supremacism that holds in contempt the humanity of white girls regarded as ‘shikse’ whores. So, White Americans shouldn’t have stopped with Leo Frank. They should have started a movement to root out the networks of Jewish corruption and villainy. This doesn’t mean they should have become like raving Nazis and gone after innocent Jews or done what they did to the Japanese-American population during World War II. Rather, at the very least, they should have done everything to root out the widespread elements in the Jewish Community that form networks and work together in favor of Jewish lives and interests regardless of truth and/or justice. The failure to do that has led to the rise of Jewish Networks that now rob the world through Wall Street and Big Pharma, that perverts the law to let Antifa thugs and BLM lunatics to run free and get a slap on the wrist if arrested… while January 6 protesters are denied the most basic of legal rights and parents who protest anti-white CRT agenda are labeled as ‘domestic terrorists’ by vile Jewish supremacist Merrick Garland(who almost became Supreme Court justice).

    So, if Germans went too far in their reaction to Jewish Evil by going after ALL Jews, even good ones, White Americans didn’t go far enough by fixating on the individual Jew while overlooking the power of the Jewish Network. After all, it makes no sense to see Jonathan Pollard as merely a bad individual Jew. He did what he did as part of a Jewish Network, and this network, with tentacles in academia-media-government-banking-etc., eventually pulled all stops to spring that lowlife scum from prison. Germans under National Socialism, in going after bad Jews, even went after innocent Jews, destroying the lives of girls like Anne Frank as well. White Americans thought the problem would be solved by taking out Leo Frank the bad Jewish individual while overlooking the fact that Leo Frank managed to elude justice for so long because of the Jewish Power Network operating on the premise of Jewish Supremacism and total contempt for ‘filthy goyim’.

    The Ideal Way for Americans would have been to Name the Jewish Power, to expose the Jewish Network. Jewish Evil isn’t a simple matter of bad individuals doing their own thing but, more often than not, a matter of a bunch of Jews acting in concert within a network. It’s like the Mafia, which is why RICO laws were necessary to bring down the underworld empire. Just going after individual mafia hoodlums(as if they’re lone wolf street thugs) hardly made an impact on the mafia network; it was like cutting off one tentacle off an octopus that merely grew new ones. To take out the Mafia, the individual crooks had to be linked to the network and its bosses.
    Likewise, Leo Frank was protected by the Jewish Network, which later canonized him as a saint, much like Tony Kushner did for the Rosenbergs in ANGELS IN AMERICA. To prevent further such abuse, White America should have at least gone after the Jewish Network and exposed it for what it is. Granted, it would have been more difficult with Jews than with the Italian-Americans whose criminality was far more specific to a social milieu. Indeed, Italian-Americans who broke from the Criminal Community tended to assimilate into Anglo-Americanism or Generic Americanism. In contrast, even Jews who operated above ground retained a powerful sense of tribal identity and loyalty, rendering mafia-like much of the Jewish networks in academia, media, government, and etc. Rudy Giuliani became just a New York mayor and did little for the Italian-American community. The idiot Cuomo Brothers are mainly careerists and have nothing to do with Italian-ness. But look at Jews like Victoria Nuland, Wendy Sherman, Merrick Garland, Stinkin’ Blinken, and the rest of them, and they are NOTHING without Jewish Tribalism. Indeed, the demands of Jewish Tribalism are so strong that even goyim in politics cower before its will. Even Donald Trump who, in 2016 boasted that Jews don’t own him because he’s so rich, did little in office but take it up his ass from the Jewish Lobby and beg, “Can I suck your dic*?”

    What the West needs is a RICO-ist approrach against Jewish Power Network. The evil didn’t end with Leo Frank. He almost got away with rape/murder because of the Network, the same reason Roman Polanski has been able to sit nice and pretty all these years without facing justice. Indeed, can anyone explain the silence about USS Liberty without taking the Jewish Power Network into account? Or what really happened on 9/11 and how lies were spread in the media(essentially a Jewish Power Network) to rouse public support for Iraq War? Or how Jews managed to rape the Russian economy in the 1990s? Did just a handful of Jews, as mere individuals, manage to pull off the heist of the century all on their own? Or, were they enabled by the Worldwide Jewish Network? And consider the Russian Collusion Hoax. The Covid Hysteria and the rigging of the 2020 election. These were not done by isolated individuals but by the Network with links in government, media, academia, courts, finance, etc.

    So, the lesson of the 20th century in regard to Jewish Perfidy is that the Germans went too far and the Americans didn’t go far enough. Germans, in going after Jewish Evil, went after the entire population. Americans, in contrast, targeted only the individual while ignoring the power of the Jewish Network. Indeed, it is precisely because the Network was left alone in the US that Jews even managed to push the narrative that Leo Frank was some innocent saint lynched by a crazed ‘anti-semitic’ mob that, I supposed, one day just got off their ass to kill a totally innocent Jew for the hell of it.

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  377. @Carolyn Yeager

    Although that assumes we can trust what his personal physician says. It’s certainly possible that the Führer may have had some physical anomalies that, for understandable reasons, his doctors wouldn’t want to disclose, even after his death. I don’t have any particular views on this one way or the other. I am merely acknowledging the possibility that they may not have told the truth.

    I really couldn’t comment on such matters, because I’m not qualified to do so. It’s all very esoteric and mystical. Perhaps this is what Savitri Devi believed, but I’ve haven’t read any of her books. Consciousness does seem to be the one feature of this universe that doesn’t belong, though. It seems fundamentally out of place, and for this reason I think that consciousness must surely be the very definition of an anomaly.

    What do you think of Tort’s “exterminationist” stance? He has said that he would value the welfare of a single bunny over that of billions of people. It’s honestly a wonder that the man hasn’t gone on a killing spree. He has pretty much admitted that the suffering of individual white people doesn’t matter in the grand scheme. It was at this point I realised that the “Aryans” he so cherishes are merely a means to an end for him.

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  378. MrFish says:

    “Even according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, only some ‘12,000 to 20,000 Jews’ died there [Jacenovac], which means that the camp accounts for, at best, 0.33% of the presumed Jewish [“Holocaust”] death toll of 6 million.”

    Jacenovac was built by Ante Pavelic’s Catholic Ustasha, primarily to dispose of Orthodox Christians, as well as all other non-Catholics in the formerly Yugoslav region now known as the Independent State of Croatia. Orthodox Christians were the vast majority of genocide victims, the number of the dead unknown because all statistics were controlled by the Ustasha. Not many Jews show up in the numbers because they, along with Roma, were a tiny minority there at that time. “Orthodox” is generally synonymous with “Serbs,” since Serbs tend to be Orthodox Christians. “Serb,” rather than “Orthodox Christian,” is an ethnic term commonly used in the western media to avoid providing any clues that the Balkans conflict is based on simmering Christian religious differences, which arise from the 1054 Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox schism. Jacenovac was the largest of 26 Ustasha extermination camps that were part of the scheme to turn the break-away region into a 100-percent Catholic nation by eliminating all non-Catholics. The situation is similar to that of Pakistan, which broke away from India and became an independent state. Ante Pavelic and Mohammed Jenna were the nationalist instigators of each respective break-away movement. The Catholic fascist Ante Pavelic is the real “father” of today’s Independent State of Croatia, although this usually isn’t emphasized because he was one of the most prominent fascist leaders along with Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. The fact that today’s mostly Catholic Croatia was founded on fascism and genocide would be terrible PR, not good for the country’s reputation.

  379. @Autisticus Spasticus

    Although that assumes we can trust what his personal physician says.

    Are you suddenly stupid? Why should you trust an unverified rumor enough to repeat it, but not a professional medical authority, unless you were a low-life gossip-mongerer and jealous of men better than yourself?

    Of course I shall bother to reply, Carolyn. I’m not the sort of man who leaves his business unfinished.

    Well, I question the integrity of your reply. And, like you said about Hitler’s doctor, in your previous comments addressed to me you may not have told the truth about yourself. Thus we are left with no trust. Not a good place to be.

    Savitri Devi is not important, as you, as a Cesar Tort devotee, seem to have accepted her to be. She was a British woman who married an Indian man and then, dressed in a sari, became enamored of Hitler and National-Socialism for the same reasons as Tort-tilla did — AH’s promotion of animal welfare and environmental-health concerns. She never knew Hitler or any of them. As I said, you’d rather follow those types than any real German. Nietzsche was German but hated his fellow Germans; he is admired by the world but not all that relatable to Germans. Let’s remember that Adolf Hitler was a man of the people who cared about bettering the life of the common people, the working people, and preserving German culture and historic rights — not a ruthless, racist world-revolutionary as modern-day “nazis” want to make him out. Yes, he thought keeping one’s race pure (as possible) and intact was of supreme importance for the future of he race and we know he was right.

    You say you can’t comment on Consciousness, as you are unqualified. “Too esoteric and mystical” for you. Btw, Savitri Devi didn’t write about it, she was not that capable either and certainly not a Goddess. You call consciousness a ‘feature of the universe’ that seems ‘out of place’ to you!!! An anomaly! The substratum of all-that-is, the origin of the ‘activity’ of Mind, what mind-thought-the world come out of and return back into — consciousness — doesn’t fit into your conception of “What Is” !

    Your conception of the universe is mechanistic. Anything of a spiritual nature is “mystical” and therefore not measurable by your way of measuring/knowing things. You cling to this, yet you say your existence is miserable, almost unbearable, and you recommend EVERYONE stop procreating because YOU are unhappy with the world you live in. I wonder what it would take for you to have an epiphany?

    But thanks for replying. I always like to see you ‘intellectuals’ have your bubble burst, and reveal that you really know nothing. Again, no hard feelings I hope.

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  380. @Quizzler

    “Why people believe in religion”

    http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/MentalismCB.html

    As I mentioned above, Schreber interpreted his delusions as religious and mystical insights into reality, and to the extent that all theological thinking presupposes the existence of supernatural beings and a ‘psychic’ or ‘spiritual’ dimension to the human mind, you could see it as similarly hyper-mentalistic. Indeed, such an approach readily suggests an intriguing new evolutionary insight into religion. According to this way of looking at it, theory of mind originally evolved to facilitate purely psychological inter-personal interactions in primeval societies. However, in the absence of the more mechanistic, scientific understanding of the physical world that was not to evolve until recently, existing mentalistic adaptations were applied to the universe as a whole, transferring concepts like agency, intention, culpability and prescience to deities, demons and supernatural entities of all kinds. As a result, reality as a whole – and not just social reality – became peopled with mental agents who could be influenced in ways analogous to those in which ordinary humans could be: through supplication (prayer), generosity (sacrifice), or contrition (penance). In this way, personal needs, failings and frustrations beyond the remedy of mere mortals could be redressed, and a mentalistic pre-adaptation set the scene for the evolution of religion, magic and superstition as independent cognitive systems.

    Historically and socially, morality and religion are closely associated, and our routine tendency to name, blame and shame leaves little doubt that an ability to make and manipulate moral concepts such as justice, virtue and culpability are of enormous importance in our attempts to influence the behaviour of others by purely mental means (witness the frequency with which purely intellectual disagreements can lead to accusations of the ‘wickedness’ or ‘immorality’ of the view being criticized: (McKie & Thorpe, 2002).

  381. @Carolyn Yeager

    I’m not stupid, Carolyn. I simply don’t possess enough information to be persuaded in either direction. I would say that it’s more likely that he had normal anatomy, although I do recall reading that he had the juices from pulverized bull testicles added to his meals. Is that true? I don’t know, and it seems like the sort of thing someone who was insecure about their own masculinity and/or gonads might do. It also seems like a very strange thing for a vegetarian to do, so perhaps it is a lie.

    While I’m on that subject, did vegetarianism not seem somewhat “effeminate” to the Führer? Knowing the way he thought, I imagine this must have been something that crossed his mind. He must have had some cognitive dissonance regarding his obsession with masculine strength on the one hand and animal welfare on the other. Obviously the eating of meat is considered a primitive, red-blooded, masculine activity, and if he ever wished to apply his personal dietary choices to the entire nation, I very much doubt the men of the SS and the armed forces would be able to subsist on the Führer’s diet.

    I never said Savitri Devi was important. I know very little about her, so I’m not really in a position to say how much merit there is to her worldview. I say consciousness is out of place because the universe is about 14 and a half billion years old, by current estimations, and consciousness has existed for but a fraction of that time. The vacuum of the material world therefore has primacy over consciousness, from an external, empirical perspective. However, while the material world exists independently of our minds and preceded humanity by billions of years, consciousness and the metaphysical have ontological primacy over materialism from an internal perspective. But since the external world had to exist first in order for us to be born, the empirical world transcends this chicken-and-egg scenario, and this is why it is considered to be more “real” than the metaphysical realm of the mind.

    Anti-natalism is an incredibly complex subject which I have written about (An Indictment of Life: My Journey from White Nationalism to Anti-Natalism), but I’m reluctant to discuss it here because you have said that you are not interested in intellectualism. I don’t know exactly what you mean by this. Are you referring to intelligence itself, or the nefarious machinations of cunning minds? It is a somewhat ambiguous statement.

  382. @Autisticus Spasticus

    Alright AS, I’m going to begin here (as much for others reading this as for you): “Knowing the way [the Führer] thought, I imagine this must have been something that crossed his mind.” NO, you don’t know the way AH thought. Why would you say you do? You’re just guessing and entertaining thoughts that pass through your mind. You can’t call that ‘knowing.’

    I do recall reading that he had the juices from pulverized bull testicles added to his meals. Is that true? I don’t know, and it seems like the sort of thing someone who was insecure about their own masculinity and/or gonads might do. It also seems like a very strange thing for a vegetarian to do, so perhaps it is a lie.

    Do you see what you’re doing here? You have nothing but some flimsy scraps of hearsay, yet you want to verbalize it on a discussion forum. If you were really using intellect, you would reject it unless you had something of an authoritative source for it. What you’re doing is very childish. I’d like to know how old you are because you sound like a kid who reads a lot and has formed immature ideas because of lack of life experience. You do a lot of this, Examples

    I imagine this must have been something that crossed his mind. He must have had some cognitive dissonance regarding his obsession with masculine strength on the one hand and animal welfare on the other. Obviously the eating of meat is considered a primitive, red-blooded, masculine activity, and if he ever wished to apply his personal dietary choices to the entire nation, I very much doubt the men of the SS and the armed forces would be able to subsist on the Führer’s diet.

    You know nothing about Hitler; every thought about him is passed through your personal filter of what YOU THINK. So all you know is yourself, not Hitler. For example, he didn’t have an “obsession with masculine strength.” His interest was in the power of Will, which is why he liked Schopenhauer. Yes, he thought German boys should develop their physical strength, along with their agility, endurance, leadership and mental gifts. It was all for a purpose, it was not an “obsession.” Also, there is no evidence he “wished to apply his personal dietary choices to the entire nation.” Here, you’re creating something that doesn’t exist and pretending that it means something.

    You never provide evidence. It’s always “I read or I heard or I recall “… without saying where.

    I never said Savitri Devi was important. I know very little about her, so I’m not really in a position to say how much merit there is to her worldview.

    I never said you said that Savitri Devi was important. I told you she wasn’t important because you were mentioning her as to what she believed re German National Socialism, and because Cesar Tort creates a cult around her, as well as does Greg Johnson (more on that later). Once again, you’re not answering me, but yourself.

    I say consciousness is out of place because the universe is about 14 and a half billion years old, by current estimations, and consciousness has existed for but a fraction of that time.

    How do you know that? Is that a fact or a theory? It’s all theoretical – “to the best of their current knowledge.” It’s entirely laughable for you to say consciousness has existed for only a fraction of that 14 billion years (which itself isn’t even accurate). This is the best that intellect can do? These scientists are up against a total mystery that they can’t explain, so they come up with something so as not to disappoint those looking for answers. I’ll have to address this in another comment b/c I don’t like long replies.

  383. @Autisticus Spasticus

    What science has come up with are models of what could have happened. But even that is irrelevant because, as I stated in an earlier comment, according to Vedanta, the universe is not real but only an appearance–only consciousness is real—meaning having an independent, eternal and unchanging existence. So these model constructs of the universe 14 billion years ago, or later, are just guesses based on the knowledge they think they have.

    You keep ignoring that, I guess because it’s outside of your comprehension? But it means that space is illusory (Maya), and thus Time is also not real. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_time So where does that leave your conclusion that “the material world has primacy over consciousness, from an external, empirical perspective.”

    This is not “flat-earth” stuff. If an external, empirical perspective can’t be proven to be anything more than a model – then how can you say that

    while the material world exists independently of our minds

    No, it doesn’t.

    and preceded humanity by billions of years,

    Not, it didn’t.

    consciousness and the metaphysical have ontological primacy over materialism from an internal perspective. But since the external world had to exist first in order for us to be born, the empirical world transcends this chicken-and-egg scenario, and this is why it is considered to be more “real” than the metaphysical realm of the mind.

    What do you mean by “internal perspective?” [Wikipedia says: the terms “ontology” and “ontologies” refer not to the science of being but to theories within the science of being. Ontological theories can be divided into various types according to their theoretical commitments.] So this is another idea or an assumption of yours. It’s based on a belief in Time, and that there was a chronological element to creation. Actually, ‘the world’ and ‘humans’ appear together, and disappear together. You mention the “chichen-and-egg” where it can’t be determined which came first, and then contradict that by deciding that the world had to come long before it’s inhabitants.

    The truth is, I repeat, that both the “world” and “humans” are appearances, and only consciousness (actually Being-Consciousness which is extremely subtle and fine) is real in the sense of having an independent, eternal and unchanging existence.

    As you should know, the ‘material’ world is not solid, is mostly empty space, and is best understood as vibration. What is vibrating? I say it is reflected light (my best understanding, at present).

    Forgive me for not wanting to pursue anti-natalism at all since it is anti-life and I am not that. For you, intellectualism seems to trump Life itself, as you think your ‘ideas’ are superior to the reality of allowing Life to be what it is. You want to tinker and “improve.” I support Eugenics but up to a point; I think you would go much farther than I would—or Hitler did. I looked up your essay title and found your comment to Greg Johnson at Counter Currents. No one there seemed to take you seriously. I think the only place you fit in is at Cesar Tort’s blog. Or here.

    [Wiki: Intellect is the branch of intelligence that reflects the logical and the rational aspects of the human mind,
    In the field of philosophy, “intellectualism” is synonymous with rationalism, knowledge derived from reason.[2] Moreover, the term intellectualism can also have a socially negative connotation about a man or woman intellectual who gives “too much attention to thinking” (single-mindedness of purpose) and who shows an “absence of affection and feeling” (emotional coldness).[2][3] ]

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  384. @Carolyn Yeager

    You are very passive-aggressive in your replies to me, Carolyn. It’s unusual in a woman. It reminds me of Cesar, a very high-strung personality who rules his blog with an iron fist. Honestly, this feels more like an interrogation than a discussion. You analyse every word I say in minute, I’d dare say petty, detail. I’m not on trial here, and neither are you. A combative attitude really isn’t necessary.

    I never claimed to be able to read the Führer’s mind. I am merely making an inference based on what we know about his character and values. Since he is arguably the most studied historical figure, it would be disingenuous to say that we don’t know much about his psychology. I said if he was planning in the future to extend his dietary choices to the entire nation, and if was the pivotal word there. I have an immense amount of information stored in my head, and as I’m sure you can appreciate, it’s not always possible to remember where each piece of information originally came from. I may be autistic, but I’m hardly a flawless data retrieval system. I’m sure you are aware, though, that Schopenhauer expressed strong anti-natalist sentiments.

    To be fair, manliness and soldierly virtues were not unique to fascism. The Soviets were also preoccupied with masculine strength, but it goes back much further than that, back to Ancient Greece and Rome. When we examine the artistic depictions of the human form in classical antiquity, it is abundantly clear that androphilia predominated to such an intense degree that even the women are masculinised, or at the very least appear highly androgynous. A prominent nose, prominent chin, small mouth and small lips comprise the archetypal Greco-Roman countenance, and it does not make for a pleasant visage, for reasons both evolutionary and rational. This observation forms the bedrock of my essay The Historical Absence of Feminine Facial Morphology in European Art and Culture, which I have been working on intermittently for about three years now. It is currently around 30,000 words, but I see no end in sight just yet. Coming back to the Third Reich, if we take a look at some of the regime’s most popular artists, notably Wolfgang Willrich, a similar masculinisation of the female form is apparent in their depictions. It’s very disappointing.

    Cesar talks about Savitri Devi a lot, but I don’t know that he worships her as such. His shrine seems to be built around the likes of William Pierce, Revilo Oliver, Heinrich Himmler, and of course the Führer. In regards to the universe and consciousness, I will reply to your second comment with my answer to that. I am 28 years old, by the way.

  385. @Carolyn Yeager

    Science™ lies to us about many things, most obviously biological race and sex, but I’ve yet to conceive of any reason why they would deliberately mislead us with regard to the age and origins of the universe. In any case, it’s not my domain. My mother is the one who’s interested in space and time. I’ve always found the subject far too daunting. I prefer to keep my interests as terrestrial as possible. If you want to say that dinosaurs never existed and time is an illusion, I confess that I don’t really know what to say to that. Your mind must be operating in a different dimension to mine. I don’t know anything about Hinduism, and I have no idea what Vedanta is. But this does raise an interesting question: if time and the material world are an illusion, why do you care about things like race and culture?

    By “internal perspective” I mean our subjective experience, at the individual and collective level. By “ontology” I simply mean “that which exists.” I am saying that, chronologically, the material universe existed before consciousness. The world evidently existed before I was born, even though I wasn’t there to bear witness to the previous 4.3 billion years of life on Earth. When a tree falls in the forest and there’s nobody around to hear it, obviously it still makes a sound. I’m not saying there’s a genuine chicken-or-egg dilemma here, merely an ostensible one.

    I don’t think the situation can be improved. All of our problems are deep and intractable features of life itself. The logistical and existential dilemmas we face as a species are far beyond anything the Dissident Right, in its comparatively insular ethno-political scope, could ever comprehend. There was one person at Counter Currents who responded appreciatively to my essay. He acknowledged that my insight goes far beyond what the Dissident Right is accustomed to dealing with, and I am therefore guaranteed to be met with reflexive hostility by the patrons of sites like Counter Currents. They simply aren’t psychologically prepared for such a damning indictment of life.

    This video by Inmendham explains in brutally blunt terms what life is.

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  386. …recently an Albanian ( Kosovar) radio call-in show said that the ” Lady of Medjugorje” ( Ustase virgin in Bosnia!) will destroy the Serbian nation and people! This man is a Catholic maniac who hates the Serbs!

  387. @Autisticus Spasticus

    Science™ lies to us about many things, most obviously biological race and sex, but I’ve yet to conceive of any reason why they would deliberately mislead us with regard to the age and origins of the universe.

    Of course, I did not say Science was “lying”, did I? I said they were doing what they always do, coming up with the best answers they can in areas that are outside their domain of ability. Science does many things well, but not this. I’m not anti-science.

    if time and the material world are an illusion, why do you care about things like race and culture?

    That’s a legitimate question, which I even ask myself. The answer, though, is obvious. Habit and attachment. I’m still desiring to keep a foot in this world, but I sincerely believe I’m getting very close to the final escape. I want to do it while ‘alive’ in my body; that makes something of a difference. I’ve never been successful with going “cold turkey” when giving up habits or changing anything. Big and small changes, the same. I have been successful with the gradual approach. That’s what I’ve been doing throughout 2021 and I’m actually surprised and impressed with my progress. At the beginning of the year, when I made some New Year-like changes, I had no idea I would end up where I am. But I do recognize it as a lifetime quest, so I’ve adapted surprisingly quickly.

    We’re all different, in spite of the fact that what we think, and have always thought we are is mostly illusory. Go figure. There is no “figuring it out” which is why science and ‘intellectuals’ haven’t a clue. And as you confirm about yourself, the great majority of people living at any one time are not interested but just want to deal with what seems to be “real events” and people and things. What can be difficult for someone like me to recognize and accept is that I AM that different from others who appear just like me, in the extent or level or quality of my awareness. And my desire for freedom. That is the only difference, and it is only a difference of inclination, past-life experiences and choices – what some people call Karma, I guess would be an appropriate term though it’s not one I use.

    By “internal perspective” I mean our subjective experience, at the individual and collective level. By “ontology” I simply mean “that which exists.” I am saying that, chronologically, the material universe existed before consciousness.

    Why wouldn’t say ‘subjective experience’ and ‘that which exists’ in the first place? That’s what I mean by intellectualism, which is only meant to impress those who are impressed by such things, and want to elevate themselves into that company.

    When a tree falls in the forest and there’s nobody around to hear it, obviously it still makes a sound.

    I would have to say No. No hearer, no sound. Advaita Vedanta teaches only One, not two. Only the subject, no object except within the subject, part of the subject. Challenging, but I’ve gotten used to it so I’m comfortable with it. It’s not a shock, but a comfort!

    The world evidently existed before I was born, even though I wasn’t there to bear witness to the previous 4.3 billion years of life on Earth.

    You believe that because of what you’ve LEARNED since you were born (ie, entered human consciousness – by choice, surely – you are not a primitive soul by any stretch of the imagination). In fact, I’m wondering if you are my Korean friend from a few years back? Our connection is very similar and he would be age 28 now. Are you really British? I don’t like to guess because I’m often wrong when I do. Life is full of repetitions.

    I don’t think the situation can be improved. All of our problems are deep and intractable features of life itself.

    Not true. You see the “problems”, along with Inmendham. I’m not going to watch his video. This could account for your change of attitude toward the Führer since I knew you under your previous identity. You weren’t an anti-natalist then, although you may have been moving toward it. It can’t change anything for you.

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  388. Incitatus says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “You [Autisticus Spasticus] know nothing about Hitler; every thought about him is passed through your personal filter of what YOU THINK. So all you know is yourself, not Hitler. For example, he didn’t have an “obsession with masculine strength.””

    Really? Hope this helps:

    “I detest women who dabble in politics. And if their dabbling extends to military matters, it becomes utterly unendurable. In no local section of the Party has a woman ever had the right to hold even the smallest post…It has therefore often been said that we are a party of misogynists, who regarded a woman only as a machine for making children, or else as a plaything. That’s far from being the case.”
    -Adolf Hitler 26 Jan 1942 Table Talk

    SS Lebensborn child hatcheries must have been a big surprise. Then there’s the Führer’s ‘Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter’ [Mother’s Cross] decree 16 Dec 1938 – 1st Class (Gold) woman with 8 or more children; 2nd Class (Silver) for 6-7 children; and 3rd Class (Bronze) 4-5 children. Doubtless innocent happenstance, nothing to do with female children-machines. Pity there wasn’t a 4th Class (Tin?) for 2-3 children and 5th Class (Plastic?) for 1 child. Let alone a platinum Damenkreuz für Kanonenfutter for a dozen+.

    Women in Hitler’s (19C) view:

    “In 1924 we had a sudden upsurge of women who were attracted by politics: Frau von Treuenfels and Matilde von Kemnitz [PhD]. They wanted to join the Reichstag…I told them that 90 percent of the matters dealt with by parliament were masculine affairs, on which they could not have opinions of any value. A man who shouts is not a handsome sight. But if it’s a woman, it’s terribly shocking. The more she uses her lungs, the more strident her voice becomes. There she is, ready to pull hair out, with all her claws showing. In short, gallantry forbids one to give women an opportunity of putting themselves in situations that do not suit them. Everything that entails combat is exclusively men’s business. There are so many other fields in which men must rely upon women. Organizing a house, for example. Few men have Frau [Gerdy] Troost’s talent in matters concerning interior decoration. There were four women whom I give star roles: Frau Troost, Frau Wagner, Frau Scholtz-Klink and Leni Riefenstahl.”
    -Adolf Hitler 26 Jan 1942 Table Talk

    That stroke of genius came just as the first winter uniforms reached troops on the Eastern Front (a little late, but nobody’s perfect). A year later? Stalingrad, another brilliant achievement.

    Carolyn, kindly be faithful to the Führer’s 10% restriction on females: ponderous interior decoration, Wagner operas, woman’s social groups [Frauenschaft] or cinema. Everything else is a “shocking” display of ‘hair-pulling’ with “claws showing”.

    “Also, there is no evidence he “wished to apply his personal dietary choices to the entire nation.””

    Quite true, thank goodness:

    “Because the passionate cake-lover Hitler feared getting fat, he kept a strict eye on his weight. Corpulence, he believed, could reduce his standing in the eyes of the public. Therefore he often took strong purges and later opium to settle his stomach, followed by a medicine to kill gastric bacteria. He also resorted to these desperate cures when his stomach was very bad, which he now tended to blame on internal struggles with the military.”
    – SS-Obersturmbannführer Heinz Linge (Hitler’s valet) [‘With Hitler to the End’ p.111]

    Imagine a whole nation of bulimics scarfing strudel and throwing-up!

  389. anon[986] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    As always typical Serbian propaganda talking points. You people aren’t aware of anything and typical projectors with made up history as well. Shame you’re still below the threshold of humanity. Stop being subhuman for once, Serb.

  390. anon[986] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonimko

    You’re a dumbass subhuman there’s no hope in trying to be nice to you. There are genetic studies, genomic history of Southern Europe, look it up. Serbs are migrants, not different from the current Arab rapists and negroids. Your land is not in the Balkan’s, never was. Your genes are muddied.

  391. surly says:
    @Priss Factor

    You said this:

    MLK, Mandela, George Floyd, Globo-Homo, and Jews are holy. All Good People must gush about them. Covid-19 and ‘vaccines’ have also entered the realm of the Holy; the ‘jabs’ and the never-ending boosts are the new communion rituals. If you dare to discuss Covid-19 freely and speculate as to the effectiveness of Ivermectin, you are a heretic and must be mocked as a ‘horse-dewormer’ taking devil-worshiper. Most diseases and treatments are in the ‘Material’ realm, or open to free scientific discourse, but Covid-19 and the ‘vaccines’ are not; the only allowable ‘science’ is the one pushed by the Jewish Globalist World order that controls the Deep State, Big Pharma, and Big Media. Indeed, notice how the nay-sayers of the ‘vaccines’ are effectively ‘excommunicated’ from the church of ‘trust-the-science'(or schwience). And of course, anyone who dares to freely discuss the problems of racial differences, black crime, Jewish perfidy, homosexual decadence, tranny nuttery, and etc. are immediately deemed ‘Unholy’; everything is done to ban such voices from media, academia, and even internet platforms that once used to be bastions of free speech. Like the Marxists in communist nations, Jewish Supremacists realized their grip on supremacy isn’t tenable in a world of free flowing opinions and ideas where anyone and everything can come under scrutiny, criticism, and reappraisal. ‘Unholy’ views are immediately and roundly attacked as ‘far right’, ‘hateful’, and etc., funny coming from a people who’ve committed the most violence and mass killings since the end of the Cold War. Just ask the Arabs and Muslims whose policies led to the destruction of millions of them. They were victims of Jewish-Supremacist policies that animate the cuckish aggressions of the Anglo-managed US and UK.

    And this:

    Something of the Jewish character can be glimpsed from a consideration of Anne Frank and Leo Frank. The comparison may seem perverse as one was an innocent victim of Nazi inhumanity whereas the latter was a pervert-murderer. But, not if the comparison focuses on the Jewish Reaction to the two individuals(or the two events they’re associated with), and it has to do with Denial, a term usually associated with the Holocaust but which applies so often to Jewish reactions to events. Even to this day, Jews are in USS Liberty Denial mode. While Nazi horrors were many times more murderous and destructive than Israel’s attack on the US ship, the nature of the lie is the same: A pathological inability to face up to the truth for purpose of ethnocentrism. (Ironically, Holocaust Denialists and Holocaust Dogmatists have more in common than they realize. Both are invested in History as Faith, either in the total innocence or absolute guilt of the Germans. This false dichotomy has made it virtually impossible to have a true historical discussion on the subject as anyone suspected of ‘revisionism’ is thrown into the Denial Camp.) What matters is the attack on USS Liberty was clearly a hostile act by Israel, but to this day, Jews refuse to own up to what happened. And not just the Israeli government, which would at least be understandable, but Jews all around the world. What does this say about Jewish Power and the general character of Jewishness when most Jews aren’t willing to face up to the most obvious facts?

    And this:

    The real shame of the Leo Frank case isn’t that some lowlife Jew was lynched. It’s that White Americans didn’t go far enough and do more. While it’s a good thing that White Americans never became radically deranged like the Germans under National Socialism, they failed to realize that the main villain of the Leo Frank case wasn’t Leo Frank himself but the Jewish Power Network defined by Jewish Tribal Supremacism. Indeed, Leo Frank would have been summarily tried and sentenced, and that would have been that had it not been for obnoxious Jewish meddling. The case was prolonged and perverted because Jews pulled every string in the book to prevent justice for the rape-murder victim. So, while Leo Frank was guilty of his crime, the Jewish Power Network was guilty of something far more egregious and consequential: Corruption of the justice system, and for what? Jewish supremacism that holds in contempt the humanity of white girls regarded as ‘shikse’ whores. So, White Americans shouldn’t have stopped with Leo Frank. They should have started a movement to root out the networks of Jewish corruption and villainy. This doesn’t mean they should have become like raving Nazis and gone after innocent Jews or done what they did to the Japanese-American population during World War II. Rather, at the very least, they should have done everything to root out the widespread elements in the Jewish Community that form networks and work together in favor of Jewish lives and interests regardless of truth and/or justice. The failure to do that has led to the rise of Jewish Networks that now rob the world through Wall Street and Big Pharma, that perverts the law to let Antifa thugs and BLM lunatics to run free and get a slap on the wrist if arrested… while January 6 protesters are denied the most basic of legal rights and parents who protest anti-white CRT agenda are labeled as ‘domestic terrorists’ by vile Jewish supremacist Merrick Garland(who almost became Supreme Court justice).

    I will summarize.

    1. mild resistance to jewish control is religious taboo, aggressive resistance is genocide

    2.* germany sent them back (genocide)

    3. americans should have tried something more than mild resistance

    * i’ll trade you himmler’s several DIY mass machine gunnings for an eighth of dresden. i am feeling generous, most days i’d offer a tenth

  392. @Carolyn Yeager

    I’m anti-Science™ but not anti-science. I wouldn’t even say I’m anti-Enlightenment per se, although that is a stance I have seen several prominent figures in the Dissident Right taking recently. However, I object to the die-hard empiricism of modern science, which I think has fuelled postmodern alethic relativism, or at least it did in the early years. In more recent years, postmodernism has become equally relativistic about empirical matters, largely because everything is ultimately filtered through the mind, and postmodernism demands verification for truth claims come from outside the human subject, from some immutable force. I doubt even the testimony of a god would past muster with the postmodernists, as even a god would fall victim to the Euthyphro dilemma, much as we mortals fall victim to the Problem of the Criterion and Munchausen’s Trilemma. I prize reason very highly, but because reason is a metaphysical phenomenon, it is vulnerable to the vulgar relativism of our postmodernist opponents. If we go by the tenets of modern science, reason is not scientific, because it is not empirical. This is of course paradoxical, because reason is an integral component of science; you have to be a reasonable person to conduct science, because only a reasonable person would place value on logic and evidence.

    One of the charms of the English language is its vast array of synonyms. I choose the words that I feel flow the most gracefully in a sentence. Some might find this pretentious or even vain, but remember that an appreciation for the aesthetic is not a crime. That is an inhuman notion spawned by Christianity. All people of honour value beauty and appreciate the dedication that is required to hone a skill; even if one is naturally gifted, these things still take effort.

    I find that to be a very perplexing statement. By that logic, Napoleon could not have existed because I was not there to see him. If I have to choose between a 4.3 billion year old planet and the young earth creationist view, I will go with the former, but you believe there is a third option. But as you say, I don’t really know anything about it, so I won’t comment on that.

    I’m not Korean. I’m English. It pains me to admit that I’ve never even been outside my country. It has been a very dull life, through no fault of my own. That is what makes life so objectionable, the lack of free choice. Even if the terrible things in life are were extremely rare, this would be inconsequential to the anti-natalist position. The problem is that they can happen at all, and we take issue with this. Benatar’s wager describes experiences calibrated under controlled conditions that are unlikely to occur in a given life, but he achieves his goal of illustrating the asymmetry of intensity between utmost joy and utmost suffering. It goes without saying that a parent’s attachment to their child is what would make the loss of the child unbearable, and this does not invalidate the intensity asymmetry. It was a great joy for my mother to have a child, but she admits now, seeing how miserable my life has turned out, that she would never have had a child if she could have seen the outcome. She wishes that she had been aware of Benatar’s arguments before she followed her biological programming so blindly. But it is ultimately me who is paying for her mistake, not her. Having to witness a bad life unfolding is a comparatively minor inconvenience compared with the ordeal of the poor wretch who is having to live that life, in full knowledge that this is the only life they will ever get. There is nobody I have to answer to, no complaints I have to deal with, but those who procreate will have to answer to people like me. We are the casualties of unbridled optimism.

    What procreators would call a “decent chance of a good life” is nowhere near good enough, considering just how bad things can get. It isn’t even a decent chance, since even the most comparatively good lives end in obliteration, which is simply unacceptable. The risk that an innocent person can have all the misfortune conceivable poured upon them is justification enough to not make the gamble. Experiencing said misery for yourself is an eye-opening experience, even for woolly-eyed optimists. My commitment to anti-natalism was cemented after I read Hellstorm by Thomas Goodrich. You are no doubt familiar with it. It is a book about the worst atrocities known to man, though virtually nobody knows about the crimes described in this book. Nothing is worth the cost of the fates that befell all those people. Procreators have no idea how horrendous those “few negative lives” they relegate to the “acceptable losses” margin can be. This book is not a work of fiction, though many would prefer to believe so. Nobody who reads the book and accepts the truth of it can ever be the same again. Keep in mind that the risk of the scenarios described therein are a price that procreators have made it abundantly clear they are happy to pay.

    Procreators are comfortable playing a game of Russian roulette with the lives of potential people. So be it, but I would argue that those of us who have been born into terrible lives in which we are trapped should be provided reparations by those who uphold the optimistic pro-natalist ideology, since we exist and have been harmed by their value system. A breeder tax is something I would support. Of course there can be no true compensation for a life ruined, such as mine is, but some attempt at justice, however small, must be made. As it stands now, there is zero accountability, and this must change.

    I remember seeing some old footage years ago, of slums in 1900’s London. Through all the filth and depravity, misery and decay, a heavily pregnant stray dog was limping along. For me, that image said so much. It was the perfect illustration of the incorrigible, indomitable will of life to replicate itself, despite a complete lack of good reason to do so. We anti-natalists have the most herculean task before us. We have to rouse the apathetic, amorphous masses of festering humanity to address a question they never even knew existed. We are trying to get the fish to notice the water it has been swimming in its whole life. There is a great deal of exasperation in store for us, far more than is in store for the Dissident Right in its battle against wokeness.

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  393. @anon

    The fact is that your own propaganda is now in full swing, supported by fascist NATO and the West, just like it was during WWIi under Nazi occupation. What happened in the 1990s is pretty much what happened in the 1940s when Yugoslavia was broken up by the Nazis, a genocidal Ustasha state set up in Croatia, and anti-Serb hatred given full rein among the Kosovar Albanians and Bosnian Muslims. A part of Serbia is now under hard foreign occupation with foreign troops and military bases in Kosovo while the rest of Serbia is under soft occupation under a quisling pro-EU government. So enjoy spouting your bluster while you still can until the wheels of history turn yet again for you to find that you were on the wrong side of it.

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  394. “the ideological agendas of postwar partisan scholarship and journalism, which has been and remains influenced by ethnic tension, religious prejudice, and ideological conflict.”

    So say the JEWS?!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  395. @Anonimko

    “negate that Serbs were genocide victims”

    The lack of remains negates that all by itself.

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  396. We are spinning off on tangential issues once again. Deliberate? (Nice strategy for deflecting intelligent commentary on the author’s arguments…)

  397. @Anon

    I feel sorry to break it to you but uncovering zionist/jewish crimes never works. Your message will never reach the masses. Even if it does, they will be intentionally distracted and misdirected and it will never work as long as they have control over major nodes of communication.
    The 20th anniversary of 911 came and went without a whimper.
    Tru News, http://www.trunews.com, a Christian channel, produced a pay for view documentry about the USS Liberty attack by the Israelis in ’67. It features many surviving crew members from the “Liberty” giving evidence against Israel.
    The end result? Zero.
    You folks have lost. Zionists are really the masters of USA, like it or not. I’m not too sad. Americans elites are not good folks.

    • Replies: @Spam Houston
  398. @anon

    “You’re a dumbass subhuman there’s no hope in trying to be nice to you. There are genetic studies, genomic history of Southern Europe, look it up. Serbs are migrants, not different from the current Arab rapists and negroids.”

    LOL! Citation PLEASE!

    The only people that promote that kind of nonsense are jews and their stooges.

    • Replies: @anon
  399. @Rev. Spooner

    “You folks have lost.”

    Shlomo thanks you for your service.

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  400. Incitatus says:
    @Autisticus Spasticus

    “I’m anti-Science™ but not anti-science. I wouldn’t even say I’m anti-Enlightenment per se, although that is a stance I have seen several prominent figures in the Dissident Right taking recently. However, I object to the die-hard empiricism of modern science, which I think has fuelled postmodern alethic relativism, or at least it did in the early years…”

    Why not just admit – at age 28 – you’re a pretentious, ambivalent gas-bag? Not unlike appeaser (want it both ways) immensely wealthy Lord Londonderry?

    Know what his problem was? Like dimwits who assumed the sun revolved around the earth, Londonderry assumed the public cared about/trusted him as he traded away English sovereignty to the NSDAP. It did not.

  401. Anonimko says:
    @Spam Houston

    One excerpt:

    “First concentration camps – On April 15, only 5 days after the creation of the NDH, the Ustaše established the first concentration camp, Danica, at Koprivnica…”

    “In June 1941, the Ustaše established a new system of concentration camps, stretching from Gospič to the Velebit mountains, to the island of Pag. Ustaše sources state that they sent 28,700 people to these camps in the summer of 1941…”

    “The Jasenovac Memorial Area states that to date more than 160 mass graves have been discovered, including 105 mass graves at Gradina, covering a total area of 10,130 m².[154] A further 22 mass graves have been found at the same site, plus an additional 21 mass graves at Uštica, site of a camp for Roma and Serb women and children, the latter with a surface area of 1218 m².[155] At the Limani site, inside the Jasenovac III Camp site, seven mass graves are located, with a total surface area of 1,175 m².[156] An additional 3 mass graves are found at Krapje, where mostly Jewish victims were buried.[159] At the Jablanac and Mlaka sites, where mostly Serb women and children were held and murdered, 5 mass graves were found.[161] Four more mass graves were uncovered at Uskočke šume, with 947 exhumed bodies, and one large one at Međustrogovi, with some 1,000 bodies[157]”

    “In 1989, prior to the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbian anthropologist Srboljub Živanović published what he claimed were the full results of the 1964 studies, which in his words has been “suppressed by Tito’s government in the name of brotherhood and unity, in order to put less emphasis on the crimes of the Croatian Ustashas.”[235][236]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp

    • Replies: @Common Time
  402. @Spam Houston

    C’mon Spam Houston, your’e a small hat and trying to deflect.
    It won’t work.
    I don’t like Israel and their bulling of innocents and I certainly don’t like the zionist Occupied States of America.

  403. Common Time says: • Website
    @Anonimko

    ..Josip Broz Tito, did so much to destroy the Serbian nation, its religion, and its history! A CIA report some years back, said that Tito was NOT a Serb nor a Yugoslav!….perhaps a Polish/Russian jew, who couldn’t speak the Serbian language well!

  404. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spam Houston

    >post proof

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6091220/

    – any PCA map

    Serbs have no history, they spread disinformation about everything for nationalistic purposes. There medieval history is also almost entirely concocted as well but I have no desire to further debunk their horseshit. Just know this, 40% of Serb males died in ww1 yet somehow they magically had enough manpower to maintain control of Yugoslavia until ww2 and then some 1 million died in the fake jasenovac death camp and still had the man power to control Yugoslavia. After all the carnage the Serb people should be around 2-3 million today but every republic at that time was afraid of Serb chimp out, Serbs were never ever genocided even by the Turks during the ottoman era. Serbs are professional victims, a very Jewish like complex, couple that with disinformation spreading and lying about other ethnic groups and you get physical human excrement like anonimko spreading lies, dangerous lies that mislead people not familiar on the subject.

  405. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You assume Serbs are being bullied by the powers that be but Serbs are nothing, just violent animals that eventually had to be put in there place and even then the Serbs got off easy. There was never any conspiracy against the Serbs but there have been conspiracies against righteous people of which Serbs were used as tools to destroy them. The Serbs were useful idiots for the Jewish-Zionist powers in starting world war 1. The Serbs were used to deny Germany the Berlin-to-Baghdad railway line that would have made Germany energy independent much to the chagrin of the Rothschild owned ENGLAND, FRANCE AND CZARIST RUSSIA. The Serbs have no history in the balkans, they are Russian transplant mixed with locals but would you consider a half English mulatto as a native of England? Serbs are the mulatto in this case.

  406. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The number of killed was then mentioned by many responsible factors, among which historians most often single out German officers and officials. Having in mind the accuracy of their information, they emphasize that Harold Turner reported about 200 thousand killed in September 1941. In February 1942, Heinrich Himmler mentioned the liquidation of about 300,000 people, and Glese von Horstenau mentioned that the number of killed Serbs ranged from two to 700,000, but that he would “wish”, as stated in the report of the German embassy, ​​”to he considers the figure of 300,000 to be correct. ” The Ustasha government told him that “250,000 Croats and 200,000 Serbs lost their lives during the uprising and its suppression.”

    In his opinion, the number of Croats was “too high” and the number of Serbs “too small”. Knowing the circumstances, he concluded: “Really accurate establishment will probably never be possible to guess.” In his documents from November 1942, there is information that on the orders of Max Luburić, “the founder and first head of concentration camps in Croatia”, 80,000 people were killed in Stara Gradiška, 120,000 in Jasenovac and another 20,000 in other camps. Concerned about the strategic security of the area, the threat to communications and the increase in resistance, the Germans were dissatisfied to notice the growing number of Serb victims in later reports. Thus, in September 1943, Alexander Lehr wrote about 400 thousand killed, and Ernest Fick in March 1944 that the number of victims ranged between 600 and 700 thousand. According to Herman Neubacher, a little later, the Ustashas killed about 750,000 people. Most of these documents emphasize that the NDH authorities were primarily focused on the extermination of the Serb population.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
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