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By killing top Iranian military commander, Qasem Soleimani, American and Israeli leaders demonstrated the idiom ‘out of the frying pan into the fire.’

US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are both politically and legally embattled – the former has just been impeached and the latter is dogged by an Attorney General indictment and investigation into major corruption cases.

Despairing, out of options and united by a common cause, both leaders were on the lookout for a major disruption – that would situate them in a positive light within their countries’ respective media – and they found it.

The assassination of the Iranian major general in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and commander of its Quds Force, Soleimani, on January 3, along with several Iranian military leaders by a US drone was a testament to the degree of that US and Israeli desperation.

Although there has been no official confirmation or denial of the Israeli role in the US operation, it is only logical to assume indirect or even direct Israeli involvement in the assassination.

Over the last few months, the possibility of a war against Iran has once more gained momentum, topping the agenda of Israel’s foreign policy makers. Politically beleaguered Netanyahu has repeatedly and tirelessly asked his friends in Washington to increase pressure on Teheran.

“Iran is increasing its aggression as we speak,” Netanyahu claimed on December 4, during a meeting with US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo. “We are actively engaging in countering that aggression.”

One can only assume what “active engagement” from the overtly militant Israeli point of view can possibly mean in this context.

Moreover, the fingerprints of the Israeli intelligence, the Mossad, are unmistakably present in the assassination. It is plausible that the attack at Soleimani’s convoy near the Baghdad International airport was a joint CIA-Mossad operation.

It is well-known that Israel has more experience in targeted assassinations in the region than all Middle Eastern countries combined. It has killed hundreds of Palestinian and Arab activists this way. The assassination of Hezbollah’s top military leader – the movement’s second in command – Imad Mughniyah in February 2008, in Syria, was only one of numerous such killings.

The scene of the Israeli car bomb attack in Damascus, Syria that killed Imad Mughniyeh. HO| AFP
The scene of the Israeli car bomb attack in Damascus, Syria that killed Imad Mughniyeh. HO| AFP

It is no secret that Israel is itching for a war against Iran. Yet all of Tel Aviv’s efforts have failed to bring about US-led war similar to the Iraq invasion in 2003. The most that Netanyahu could achieve in terms of US support in that regard was a decision by the Trump administration to renege on the US commitment to the international community by withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Treaty in May 2018.

That coveted Israeli war seemed assured when Iran, after various provocations and the slapping by Washington of yet more sanctions, shot down a US unmanned aerial vehicle that, as Iran maintained, violated the country’s airspace, on June 20, 2019.

Even then, the US response fell short of achieving the all-out war that Netanyahu has been so frantically seeking.

But much has happened since then, including a repeat of Netanyahu’s failure to win a decisive election, thus securing another term in office, compounding the Israeli Prime Minister’s fully justified fear that he could eventually find himself behind bars for operating a massive racket of bribes and misuse of power.

Trump, too, has his own political woes, thus his own reasons to act erratically and irresponsibly. His official impeachment by the US House of Representatives on December 18 was the last of such bad news. He too needed to up the political ante.

If there is one thing that many Democratic and Republican lawmakers have in common is their desire for more Middle East military interventions and to maintain a stronger military presence in the oil and gas-rich region. This was reflected in the near-celebratory tone that US officials, generals, and media commentators have used following the assassination of the Iranian commander in Baghdad.

Israeli officials too were visibly excited. Immediately following the killing of General Soleimani, Israeli leaders and officials issued statements and tweets in support of the US action.

For his part, Netanyahu declared that “Israel has the right to defend itself. The US has the same right exactly.” “Soleimani,” he added, “is responsible for the deaths of innocent US citizens and many others. He was planning further attacks.”

The last statement in particular, “he was planning further attacks,” points to the obvious joint intelligence and information sharing between Washington and Tel Aviv.

Benny Gantz, mistakenly celebrated for being a “centrist”, was no less militant in his views. When it comes to matters of national security, “there is no coalition and opposition,” he stated.

“The killing of Soleimani is a message to all the head of global terror: on your own heads be it,” the Israeli general, responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere, also added.

Iran will certainly respond, not only against American targets but Israeli targets as well, for Teheran is convinced that Israel has played a major role in the operation. The pressing questions are more about the nature and the timing of the Iranian response: How far will Iran go to send even a stronger message back to Washington and Tel Aviv? and could Teheran communicate a decisive message without granting Netanyahu his wish of an all-out war between Iran and the United States?

Recent events in Iraq – the mass protests and attempt by unarmed protesters to storm the US embassy in Baghdad on December 31 – were, to some extent, a game changer. Initially, they were understood as an angry response to US airstrikes on an Iranian-backed militia group on Sunday, but the protests had unintended consequences as well, particularly dangerous from a US military and strategic perspective. For the first time since the phony US ‘withdrawal’ from Iraq under the previous administration of Barack Obama in 2012, a new collective understanding began maturing among ordinary Iraqis and their representatives that the US must leave the country for good.

Acting quickly, the US, with palpable Israeli giddiness, assassinated Soleimani to send a clear message to Iraq and Iran that demanding or expecting an American withdrawal is a red line that cannot be crossed – and to the whole Middle East that the evident US retreat from the region will not be duplicated in Iraq.

The great game is afoot

Soleimani’s assassination was followed by yet more US airstrikes on Iran’s allies in Iraq, as to also emphasize the level of US seriousness and willingness to seek violent confrontation as a matter of course.

While Iran is now weighing in its responses, it must also be aware of the geostrategic consequences of its decisions. An Iranian move against US-Israeli interests would have to be convincing from the point of view of Iran and its allies, yet, again, without engaging in an all-out war.

Either way, Iran’s next move will define the Iranian-US-Israeli relations in the region for years to come and will further intensify the ongoing regional and international “Great Game” on full display throughout the Middle East.

Soleimani’s assassination could also be understood as a clear message to both Russia and China as well, that the US is prepared to set the whole region on fire, if necessary, in order to maintain its strategic presence and to serve its economic interests – which mostly lie in Iraqi and Arab oil and gas.

This comes at the heel of a joint Russian, Chinese and Iranian naval drill in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman, starting on December 27. The news of the military exercises must have been particularly alarming to the Pentagon, as Iran, which was meant to be isolated and browbeaten, is increasingly becoming a regional access point to the emergent and resurfacing Chinese and Russian military powers respectively.

Soleimani was an Iranian commander, but his massive network and military alliances in the region and beyond made his assassination a powerful message sent by Washington and Tel Aviv that they are ready and unafraid to up their game.

The ball is now in the court of Iran and its allies.

Judging by past experiences, it is likely that Washington will regret assassinating the Iranian general for many years to come.

Ramzy Baroud is a journalist and the Editor of The Palestine Chronicle. He is the author of five books. His latest is “These Chains Will Be Broken: Palestinian Stories of Struggle and Defiance in Israeli Prisons” (Clarity Press, Atlanta). Dr. Baroud is a Non-resident Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Islam and Global Affairs (CIGA), Istanbul Zaim University (IZU). His website is

Romana Rubeo is an Italian writer, translator and an editor at The Palestine Chronicle. Rubeo holds a Master’s Degree in Foreign Languages and Literature and specializes in Audio-Visual and Journalism Translation.

(Republished from Mint Press News by permission of author or representative)
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  1. “It is no secret that Israel is itching for a war against Iran.”

    More accurately, the zionists are itching for a US war with Iran. Israel could have attacked Iran at any time, if their IDF was capable of war on soldiers, but they can only fight unarmed civilians, including women and children. Iran’s Republican Guard can make mincemeat of the IDF and all of Israel knows this.

    Trump’s impeachment isn’t yet complete, lacking presentation to the Senate; just a little clarification for the authors on US Congressional procedure.

  2. Rational says:


    How did the US know where Soleimani was? His location and movements were obviously classified, and known only to a few. So the Iranians have somebody in the inner circle who leaked this info to Mossad/CIA.

    Or there are Mossad agents in the Iranian top brass.

  3. Hossein says:

    I would suspect that some hot shot either in Damascus or bagdad provided the info on his movement.

    After the recent uprising against the Iranian influence and the fact that many Iraqis considered Suleimani as colonial governor of Iraq i would not be surprised that someone in the top provided the info to the US to get rid of him.

  4. @Twodees Partain

    Useful to read Martin Van Creveld (Israeli military historian) and his latest book on the topic, “Pussycats”:

    If Israel ever got into a fair fight with Turkey, Hezbollah, Iran, or (worse) Chechens, it would be lights out for the IDF. Without complete air superiority they would be mincemeat in a battle. Hezbollah even beat them WITH Israeli air superiority.

    My favourite quote was an Israeli commander complaining that he “just doesn’t understand these modern computer kids’.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  5. ‘It is no secret that Israel is itching for a war against Iran.’

    Let’s fix that.

    ‘It is no secret that Israel is itching for the US to fight a war against Iran.’

    Israel herself fighting a war with Iran could only lead to Israel’s isolation and eventual extinction.

    As it happens, that will also be the result of the US fighting a war with Iran — but Israel doesn’t think very far ahead.

    …too bad we all have to pay for that.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  6. ‘… Judging by past experiences, it is likely that Washington will regret assassinating the Iranian general for many years to come.’

    Too bad ‘regret’ rhymes with ‘smegret.’

    That is to say, it’s meaningless.

    We can’t take this back. We’re fucked. Everyone else is too — but that won’t do us any good.

  7. The first rule of intelligence is: do not believe what is demonstrated to you; seek what is hidden.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  8. As I posted earlier on another article, why not kill two birds with one stone by going to the source?

    Since it’s sufficiently clear that Israel and various Jewish forces are behind the push for the US destruction of Iran, it’s time to admit, confront, and promulgate that fact publicly. Virtually the entire media ignore the elephant in the room. And the way to deal with it is to go to the source. No need to make war with the Banker’s Private Army when you can just kill the banker.

  9. @jbwilson24

    “If Israel ever got into a fair fight with Turkey, Hezbollah, Iran, or (worse) Chechens, it would be lights out for the IDF.”

    I agree with that. In fact, the IDF would lose against any of the larger drug cartels in Mexico, probably. For a bunch of rabid warmongers, Israel’s “leaders” certainly don’t have a military to conduct their wars for them.

    • Replies: @journey80
  10. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    “It is plausible that the attack at Soleimani’s convoy near the Baghdad International airport was a joint CIA-Mossad operation.”

    Ya think? The bruited departure of the military cannon fodder was a clear response to CIA’s “let’s you and him fight” policy. Headquarters, at least, knows enough to cut and run. It’s gratifying to see even a feeble military mutiny against the CIA command structure. The parallels with Vietnam are increasingly unmistakable: having wrecked the region all they can, CIA turns it over to the New Standards Men. Don’t waste your time marching on Washington. If you want to stop this war you have to march on the NHB. As always, the most effective curbs on CIA crime will be imposed from without. CIA’s targeteers only want to hide in their forts and cause trouble, but they will be looking over their shoulder for life – in accordance with the universal jurisdiction law of murder, which provides for no statute of limitations. CIA has dispersed quite a lot since the cold war but Russia knows where to find them. They’ve traditionally thought a lot about decapitation.

    CIA’s war crime of perfidy justifies regime annihilation because CIA’s latest murder has shown that any US terms are presumptively a ruse.

  11. journey80 says:

    I devoutly wish it would be only Washington that will regret this.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  12. journey80 says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Israel doesn’t do fair fights.

  13. Of course Israel was behind this attack. I’d bet 99% of Unz Review readers have no doubt that this attack and murder happened because Israel ordered. And I don’t think this was a spur of the moment decision. Trump was selected to lead the US to conflict with Iran, but Killary would have done the same thing too.

    Regarding Iran’s response, all the pundits seem to be saying “Iran must find a way to retaliate with out starting a major war”. The US and Israel can not win a total war against Iran even if they use nukes. All they can do is stand off Iran and fire missiles. A US ground invasion of Iran will not happen.

    If the US uses nukes to kill Iranians it doesn’t mean the Iranians will capitulate. Iran is a huge county and there are plenty of places to hide. On top of which no American or Israeli or their dictator proxy’s will be safe in the ME after an nuke attack. It is likely if the US/Israel uses nukes the murdering dictators in Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia will be toast.

    My hope as an American who wants to see the end of Jew/Israeli control of my country is for total war. This will make even the mindless fucks that are my fellow countrymen sit up and take notice.

  14. @Twodees Partain

    You are correct that the IDF is a weak group of supposed military soldiers. They look good killing Palestinians especially children. Israel has never defined their borders. They believe they own and can do anything they want because they are the “Chosen.” And we are their slaves dying for their sick beliefs.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  15. Paul says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Whether President Trump has been impeached if the articles have not been handed over to the Senate yet is a subject of debate.

  16. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    If I were to look at motives, Israeli intelligence was worried by the two potential impeachments and said to itself, “If Netty and Trump are kicked out and the left takes over in both countries, Israel is screwed and might come under massive assault. Therefore, it was time to take out the chief mastermind who would be behind such an attack.”

    It was a preemptive strike to protect Israeli targets, not US ones, and Trump went along because if Israel were destroyed during his tenure, he’d lose the Jewish vote, which he has been trying to woo.

  17. Brewer says:

    My aunt Agatha in the rest home half gone with dementia knows Israel is up to its yarmulke in this affair Ramzy but for goodness’ sake, the highly unlikely impeachment has little to do with Trump’s actions.
    Consider Trump’s backdown speech after Iran demonstrated the ineffectiveness of the U.S. Patriot defense system (known to be 0 -10% effective for years), the accuracy of its new generation of missiles and the Iraqi eviction order – especially this bit:

    “And options in the Middle East became available. We are now the number-one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world. We are independent, and we do not need Middle East oil.”

    What is that doing in there? Hmmmmm. Looks like Yankees once again declaring victory and going home. Guaranteed vote winner for Trump in the coming election n’est ce pas?
    Superbly played, as one would expect from the culture that invented Chess and Algebra don’t you think?

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  18. vot tak says:

    This article on RT by Ritter answered a lot of questions I had about the Iranian missile attack.

    Iran didn’t want to kill US troops with its strike, it wanted to make point to Trump about its missile tech & resolve. It did that

    “In the early hours of Wednesday morning, that task completed, Soleimani’s IRGC comrades, acting on the orders of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, launched some 22 ballistic missiles from Iranian territory into neighboring Iraq, targeting the huge US air base Al Asad, in western Iraq, and the US consulate in the city of Erbil, in Iraqi Kurdistan.

    In the hours following the announcement of these attacks, which were broadcast on Iranian television for the Iranian people, the world held its breath, waiting for the results. Shortly after the missiles were launched, Iran signaled its desire for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis through a tweet sent out by its Foreign Minister, Javad Zarif, who described the attacks as “proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter.” Zarif concluded by noting that “We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.”

    However, in launching its missile attack on US targets in Iraq, Iran appeared to go out of its way to signal that it considered the matter of retaliation for the assassination of Soleimani closed. First and foremost, Iran communicated its intent to strike US targets in Iraq directly to the Iraqi Prime Minister a full two hours prior to the missiles being launched; Iraq then shared this information with US military commanders, who were able to ensure all US troops were in hardened shelters at the time of the attack.

    But the most important aspect of Iran’s actions was the way its missiles were targeted.

    The missile attack on the US incorporated new, advanced missiles—the Qaim 1 and Fahad-110—possessing advanced guidance and control capable of pinpoint precision. Iran had used these weapons previously, striking targets inside Syria affiliated with the Islamic State. But this was the first time these weapons had been used against the US. From the US perspective, the results were sobering. The Iranian missile attacks resulted in no casualties among US, Iraqi or coalition forces stationed in either Al Asad or Erbil. But the lack of lethality, however, is actually Tehran’s way of proving the accuracy of its ballistic missiles.

    Commercial satellite images of the Al Asad air base taken after the attack show that the Iranian missiles struck buildings containing equipment with a precision previously only thought possible by advanced powers such as the US, NATO, Russia and China. Iran fired 17 missiles at Al Asad, and 15 hit their targets (two missiles failed to detonate).

    Iran also fired five additional missiles at the US consulate in Erbil; US commanders on the ground said that it appeared Iran deliberately avoided striking the consulate, but in doing so sent a clear signal that had it wanted, the consulate would have been destroyed.

    Iran also fired five additional missiles at the US consulate in Erbil; US commanders on the ground said that it appeared Iran deliberately avoided striking the consulate, but in doing so sent a clear signal that had it wanted, the consulate would have been destroyed.

    Surrounded by his national security team, Trump had to back down from that threat, knowing full well that if he were to attack Iran, the Iranian response would be devastating for both the US and its regional allies, including Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The US might be able to inflict unimaginable devastation on Iran, but the cost paid would be unacceptably high.”

    I am reminded of a story from The Crusades reading about this Iranian demonstration. In a meet between Richard the Lion Heart and Saladin (I think it was these 2), they showed off their favourite toys. Richard cleaved a mace with his massive 2 hand sword. Saladin plucked a hair from his head and divided lengthwise with his sword.

    The Iranians and their allies made it clear if Iran is attacked, israel gets attacked, along with its colonials. This I think was crucial. I noticed netanyahoo went out of his way to distance israel from the murder of Soleimani, saying it was between Iranians and americans, that israel wasn’t involved. A lie, obviously. Facing accurate Iranian missiles and a mass blitz from Hizbullah’s missile/rocket inventory, the israelis would see serious casualties and devastation. Right now the israeli regime is in a sort of limbo state, with the haggling over forming a new government. I don’t think they are up for it at the moment. The chaos such a massed strike could create would be multiplied. My guess once they figured out what could well happen to israel, trump’s zionazi overlords ordered trump to stand down.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @FvS
  19. Ghali says:

    The deliberate murder of General Soleimani required NO experience or skill. It is a terrorist operation on a guest of the Iraqi regime who landed at Baghdad Airport which is completely controlled by the US Occupation forces. Trump is completely controlled by Zionist Jews who have evidence of Paedophilia to bully and coerce Trump. Remember, Trump was best friend of Epstein. They were bonded by Paedophilia.

    The murder of the Iranian General is an act of terrorism in broad daylight on behalf of Israel. In fact if you look carefully, Trump has been serving Israel from the first day in the White House.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas, Tom Welsh
  20. AZ says:

    Sooner or later ISRAHELL will be vaporized since these people do not know how to coexist with the other inhabitants in the region. The world is fed up with them. It is prudent fro the US to have a balanced relationship with the Middle east nations and stop this unfair treatment of them.

  21. There is the theory that the leader of Iran wanted to get rid of the #2 guy for political reasons. And so, all this has been a bit of show. We get rid of Soleimani. Iranian leaders pretend to be “outraged”. They do their little retaliation that hurts no one.

    And both sides call a truce.

  22. Tom Welsh says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “More accurately, the zionists are itching for a US war with Iran”.

    In the vivid American idiom,

    “Let’s you and him fight”.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  23. Don’t believe what’ s demonstrated to you; seek what is hidden. Israeli footprints are all over the place in the terror attack that killed Major General Qasem Soleimani. The mainstream media are carefully hiding the elephant in the room, the Zionist regime. Netanyahu has been doing everything to involve the US in a hot war with Iran. Will Trump play Israel’s useful idiot again and pull the trigger for an all-out war with Iran for the only benefit of the Zionist regime? Let’s wait and see who will have the final say.

  24. PADOJO says:

    I can’t believe that no one has mentioned this act as being the (potential) precursor for the next CIA/Mossad false flagger. It’s dead obvious and right out of the Tavistock Institute’s playbook. Brainwashing done up the right way with all the preliminary steps included. Certainly the Zio God is laughing so hard he’s pissing his holy drawers right through his circumsized wiener.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  25. gotmituns says:

    Trump just made the conciliatory statement as a political gesture. Now the false flag operation will kill a bunch of Americans and that’ll give Trump and the Israelis what they need to go in and kick the butts of the Iranians.

  26. GMC says:
    @vot tak

    Excellent post – Thanks for the synopsis.

  27. As children my baby brother and I would always blame the mysterious “third boy” for things for which we did not want to take the blame. It is much too easy to say “Mossad did it.” Mossad is given far too much credit for bad acts. In so many of the old school mafia hits in New York crime families, much of the violence was families eating their own. Why not assume that the U.S. and Iran talk, and that Iran agreed to remove a hardliner who blocked conversations? Why not assume that Iran agreed to sell out one of its own? Press accounts of the funeral show the big PR win at home for Iran. No damage at home. Deputy takes over, no operational slip ups. But going forward, who knows what conversations will happen. Lots of showy missile strikes so far–few dead. Which is the point. Ukranian airliner shot down leaving Iran (probably by an F22), which may have been the real target all along. Indeed, it may have been the dead man who blocked cooperation about more serious issues. Ideologues always block real progress.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  28. To those who speculate about a sustained missile attack on Israel by Iran please take note of the fact that it is near unanimously accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons.

    The recent and coordinated MSM campaigns on the resurgence of the horrors of anti-semitism may be an exercise in softening goy brains in the event that such weapons are used.


  29. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    But my Christian neighbors in the Midwest told me Jews are more moral than Jesus. Surely the chosen people of God are moral and pure????

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  30. Biff says:

    Israel’s Fingerprint Are All Over the Assassination of Qasem Soleimani

    Kind of like “Duh!” But you’ll never hear about in the media. As far as appearances go Israel has the lipstick, high heels, and hairy legs..

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  31. FvS says:
    @vot tak

    I noticed netanyahoo went out of his way to distance israel from the murder of Soleimani, saying it was between Iranians and americans, that israel wasn’t involved. A lie, obviously.

    Yes, do all you can to start the war and then slink into the shadows to watch your goyim slaves fight it for you.

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @Sean O'Farrell
  32. @Biff

    “…But you’ll never hear about in the media…”

    Because whose fingerprints are all over the media too ?

  33. @Anon

    But my Christian neighbors in the Midwest told me Jews are more moral than Jesus. Surely the chosen people of God are moral and pure????

    Just ask them why these righteous Jews crucified Jesus. You can also tell them that the Christian church taught for nearly two millennia that God took the land off them because of their iniquity.

    And if they tell you about the “Holy” land, remind them that in the Book of Revelation, God describes that place in these terms; “The city of Sodom and Egypt, wherein our Lord was crucified.” (Rev 11: 8)

    Happy hunting.

  34. Contrary to conventional opinion, test Iranian missile attack actually reveals Al-Assad base is indefensible.

    Missiles Attack on Al Assad Base Shows Iran is No Paper Tiger

  35. Does anyone doubt that Israel is also behind the shooting down of the Ukrainian airliner? What a perfect false flag to draw not just the US, but also newly minted “ally” Ukraine into it as well.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Tucker
  36. It seems to me that the Persian Empire is played today by the American Empire, and Iran has the role of the Hellenes who 2400 years ago resisted the Empire, also very successfully. Nothing changes under the sun.

    • LOL: Alfred
  37. Tucker says:

    To Rational:

    Check out this article for a possible answer to your question:

    “Because, when you realize that Soleimani was in Baghdad to deliver Iran’s opening terms for a negotiated peace with Saudi Arabia, this attack was a blunder.

    When you further realize that Soleimani was there at Trump’s behest with Iraqi Prime Minister Mahdi as broker, this attack looks like patently insane.

    Soleimani was in Baghdad to begin the peace process, again, at Trump’s request. He was uniquely positioned within the Iranian government to handle said negotiations because of his position as head of the IRGC Quds Forces.”

    So, if this Luongo assertion is true – and I tend to believe that it has a hell of lot more credibility than ANY baloney that I hear coming out of Trump or Pompeo or any US media outlet – this means that Trump invited this Soleimani guy to help broker a negotiated peace deal that would deescalate the tension in the region and then sneakily lured him and his entourage into position under a good faith agreement and then had the guy murdered.

    Whether that was Trump’s original intention, or whether his neocon war mongering cabal suckered him into issuing the invitation (knowing his past reluctance to increase military aggression in favor of negotiating) and then, once they had sucked Trump into setting their trap – they went lone wolf and had the CIA/MOSSAD murder the guy to deliberately PREVENT deescalation, because these evil sonsabitches want to goad the USA into a war with Iran – in either case, this smells like premeditated, cold blooded murder to me. And in either case, Trump is either an accessory to this crime for letting these neocon rats sucker him like this – or, it was his original intent when he issued what was supposed to be a good faith invitation to Soleimani to help broker a peace negotiation.

    This is really a disgusting ‘bitch move’, no matter which you look at it. It is equivalent to an opponent on a battlefield hoisting the White flag and requesting for a parlay with the leader of the opposing force and then, when the opposing leader agrees to meet in the center of the battlefield, the guy holding his White flag pulls out a pistol and gut-shoots the guy who shows up to have what he thought was a good faith peaceful parlay.

    For those who are Trump toe suckers and apologists, let me point out that, if Trump had been suckered in the way I suggested might be possible, a truly decent and honest man would have been outraged by the sneaky betrayal by his neocons and he would had everyone involved arrested and charged with treason and murder. He would have then gotten on TV and announced to the world what had happened, apologized for it profusely, and promised to make sure these neocon rats were tried, convicted and then swiftly executed for having damaged his Presidential reputation as a honest broker of peace in the Middle East. But, Trump didn’t do that. Instead he shows up on TV with a gigantic smirk on his face, with his right hand cupping his pea sized little gonads and starts boasting about how he ‘took out a horrible terrorist’ and then, to add frosting to his bull manure cake he was serving up, he says Soleimani had supposedly killed 600 Americans and that’s why he deserved to be killed.

    Well, if killing 600 Americans is just cause to be the recipient of a drone missile – what about the estimated murder of about 2 million Iraqis who died as a result of the lies that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Condo Rice, and the rest of the lying war criminal neocons told when they invaded Iraq based on pure lies and fabricated B.S.? 2 million vs an alleged 600, for which no proof has yet been produced. Aren’t there a few drone missile assignments yet to be fulfilled?

  38. Anonymous[844] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if the Democrat stooges will use the President’s threat to destroy Iran’s cultural heritage, meaning Persepolis, to cast the President as a dangerous megalomaniac to humanity at large. This, I’d think, would ruin his chances for reelection, not by Dem knavery, but by the hand of the neocons who set him up. He might then be convinced he has to redeem himself after this fiasco by taking this country into a losing war like Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Almost by definition the President is very much a prisoner to kosher intel, as are the members of Congress. Like the insect parasite Ampulex compressa, the Zionist parasite takes control of the head of its prey by commandeering the prey’s antenna, very much in the way the Jews take control of this country’s interaction with the external world via the msm, so directing the prey’s every movement. Because the Jews control the msm they control America’s public forum and this country’s perception of the external world no less than Jews in Hollywood have transformed America domestically to suit their purposes. The resurfaced video tape of Biden supporting the war against Iraq, for example, isn’t a testimony to Biden’s inconsistency as much as it reveals the Israeli lies Senate leaders were fed by America’s kosher intel apparatus. They obviously still operate without constraint inasmuch as they’re stronger than ever despite having been wrong at every possible turn.

    I remember reading years ago that the FBI has Chabad and other Jewish agents who’re plants intercepting investigation of the Jewish crime network that owns much of this country. No whistleblowers to be seen, I’d guess, since most have families and realize that it’s the Mossad and its sayanim that has free rein over this country and the support of Congress, not them. Why would anyone in his right mind risk his family when virtually the entire government is guilty of at least concealing 9/11 and so guilty of capital treason? As Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski innocently observed in the aftermath of 9/11, Israeli brass assigned to the Pentagon have no compunction walking in on confidential meetings at the Pentagon as if they own the place because, as the facts bear out, they do.

  39. @RichardTaylor

    I am starting to think this is the most likely scenario, and that we’ve all been played.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  40. sally says:
    @Twodees Partain

    regarding … the zionists are itching for a US war with Iran. yes.. <=Twodees Partain @ 1. and the statements made in the article "It is no secret that Israel is itching for a war against Iran." Israel is nation state, but I bet its people are not itching for a war against Iran, its just the X%#@#@%^%s that run the nation state on behalf of, and for the benefit of investors, banksters, and corporations .

    Increasingly these global wars are revealing the nature of the problem with the nation state system itself. The nation state has become, and probably always was, the means by which small but well armed persons, found ways to put themselves in charge of the law making, military and propaganda production and distribution systems that account for the institutions that permeate the nation state.

    These few venturesome persons have discovered they can control large masses of humanity; actually imprison the humanity in rule of law chains, and contain the captured humanity in a 24/7 totally engineered environment, where in mind control propaganda can be guided by psychological technology to invade and permeate the minds and to establish beliefs (true or not) of the governed. The nation state allows the top-down governors to control the thinking and manage the behaviors of the entire nation state contained populations. In other words, the media is the syringe that streams mind control propaganda to the thinking and belief systems (as in blood stream) of the nation state captured humanity. Its propaganda and rule of law that controls and enforces the behaviors of the populations contained in the top down controlled nation state.
    What makes this top down arrangement dangerous is that 2000 years of experience has taught, there is no way to control the greedy few, they rise to the top because they want something, and when they do, they decimate humanity to get whatever it is they want. I think 2000 years is long enough to put up with that.

    The American people are governed by a nation state, the British people are governed by a nation state, the Israeli people are governed by a nation state, the Saudi people are governed by a nation state, the French people are governed by a nation state. and on and on..

    Typically a few are the governors who occupy the positions of power in the nation state, and the masses are the governed who must do the work that keeps the economy rolling. For example, 349,999,473 Americans are governed by 527 people ( 350,000,000 Americans), in England the ratio is about the same, in Israel the ratio is about the same.. the ratio of governors to the governed is very very all nation states.

    Next, the problem is that the nation state documents do not allow the governed to have a say in the nation state. The governed are the slaves, the governors are the slave drivers, and the wealthy few are the in charge owners.

    When is the first time, the last time, or any time in which you the governed were asked to vote on a law or to help the nation state decide who to bomb, or when to go to war, or when to change the law ? virtually never is the answer, he the mere act of demanding such a thing can land the demanders in jail.

    We need a bottom up system of governance. or we need a nation state of governments (top down) and a human rights system of governance to audit the occupants of the nation state structures. The human rights government, would be the first and only global government. The rights of humanity would be come the basis for international law. and the human rights government would place auditors in inside of every top down government in the world. and audit the activities of those who animate one or more of the positions in the top down government, not for job performance, not to interfere with the operations of the top down government, but to nab anyone in the top down governmental system who violates or authorizes the violation of the universal rights of mankind or who violates or who authorizes the violation of the international laws, that apply to all relations between mankind and the top down governments.

    to do this a 2nd government (reciprocal I call it) would be instituted to enforce human rights on the top down governing systems of the world. A separate court system, with judges not trained, authorized or licensed by the top down governments, but judges trained in universal maker given laws of humanity and in the international laws governing the relations between top down governments and humanity.

    The object is to prevent ever again to have one nation state leader decide to pit the nation state he or she commanded against the people of another target top-down led nation state. In not just about war, its also about the fair distribution of wealth, its also about privileges, entitlements and opportunities which project one's effort to one's success that needs 2nd tier intervention.

    So a system of bottom up human rights auditors would be instituted, and they would invade the top down governments that control the people in the nation state separated world. Violators of the bottom up human rights rules or violators of the international relations between nations with mankind will be removed from their office, pending court trials, and if they are found guilty, they will be permanently barred for ever again being connected with a top government and punished with jail time, for their crime against humanity.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  41. I must admit I am fascinated by the sand mongrel proclivity to talk smack while getting smacked. It’s both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

    Iran is the puppy who spoiled the rug and got its nose slapped. Now it’s in the corner sulking – but it knows better than to crap in the house again.

    • Troll: Truth3
    • Replies: @anonymous
  42. “It is no secret that Israel is itching for a war against Iran. Yet all of Tel Aviv’s efforts have failed to bring about US-led war similar to the Iraq invasion in 2003. ” Actually, the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. And I think you know that, but prefer to be a putz.

    Also, Israel would like to see the crazies ruling Iran ousted and replaced by rational men. Who wouldn’t? You?

    • Agree: TKK
    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
  43. @Tucker

    And those 600 Americans were no civilians but soldiers, i.e. legitimate targets for a national resistance group or its allies. The hypocrisy is staggering.

  44. gotmituns says:

    Actually, there is no such thing as “fair.” That’s a child’s concept of the world.

  45. The countdown for this crisis began last summer when Israel began bombing Iraqi militias. The Iraqis realized America had given permission for the strikes and so they began to strike American bases. This led to the death of the US contractor.

    This is another crisis caused by American subservience to Israel.

  46. Truth3 says:

    No amount of truth about the Jews will ever stop them for their evil ways.


    Because people that are convinced they are “Chosen” and are in effect a collective of Gods, made to lord over the rest of mankind, that they consider “cattle”… will never see themselves as part of a human race that by Divine Right are equal under God.

    Until Christians shame Jews one by one into leaving the Tribe, the Devil’s people will continue to get stronger, until AntiChrist comes and does his worst.

    Kushner 666 is a warning.

  47. @ayatollah smith

    As in the crash of the Ukrainian airliner, perhaps? Or, that Trump was on the phone with the Saudi king the night of the Iranian fake missile attack, who told him to stand down due to Iran’s threat to attack their oil fields and blow up the world’s economy?

  48. @RichardTaylor

    Yes, it does have the markings of the all too familiar “made for TV drama” we are bombarded with on an almost daily basis here in America.

  49. Tucker says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Regarding that commercial airliner that was shot down – and my sincere condolences go out to the families who lost a loved one who died in that incident – the jew media is apparently in some kind of melt down panic, trying to spin that shoot down. Can’t seem to settle on one narrative. Oy Vey, so many enemies we hate – who can we pin this on?

    They started out laughing and poking fun of Iran and claiming that they were soiling their britches so badly and were quaking in fear of the Mighty Orange Draft Dodging Stooge in the White House that they panicked and accidentally shot down this commercial airplane and then refused to give up the black box because they were hiding something.

    One day goes by, and now they are claiming that evil old Russia and a Russian missile shot the plane out of the sky.

    I’m waiting for their next narrative switch to claim that some cabal of moonshine slurping, Confederate Flag waving, redneck White ‘Supremacists’ built a missile and a missile launch system and attached it to the roof of their log cabin, hidden deep in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas or Tennessee and using Top Secret Global GPS missile guidance technology provided to them by the honorary White Nationalist, aka the jewish Steven Miller – fired the missile that flew half way around the world and took down that commercial airplane.

    Its becoming increasingly obvious that it was likely Israel who murdered everyone on that plane and then tried to blame it on Iran. Or on Russia. And now, on those ‘awful red pilled on the JQ White Nationalists’ who enjoy a sip of shine on a leisurely evening.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  50. MLK says:

    This article is an exercise in Bias Confirmation. The retconning is so broad and crude, in fact, it is (or should be) an insult to the intelligence to parse the particulars.

    Though I do give the authors’ credit for at least mentioning the Imad Mughniyah analogue. Would that they had dispassionately considered the similarities and differences. I suspect that’s unappealing because — and someone please correct me if I’m wrong — Hezbollah/Iran had to just shake that one off, and that’s not a narrative they or most of the commenters here are interested in pursuing.

    Another obvious one in my view is Turkey’s shoot down of a Russian fighter jet. But that, too, makes so many observers feel bad because it suggests that the Iranian government/nation won’t go Kamikaze (as they so clearly wish it would).

    Apply common sense. In recent weeks, conventional wisdom (and media), finally began to get their minds around what could no longer be denied — Trump was on track for reelection in a landslide Because Peace and Prosperity. Even Iran said until the moment that Soleimani was killed that it believed he didn’t want war with Iran.

    Conversely, while it apparently is too boring to even speculate upon, The Resistance — domestic and foreign — to Trump, even before he took the oath, has made it indisputably clear it desires his removal from office by any means necessary.

    Iran, under Maximum Pressure and with the most to lose given its 2003-2016 gains, may well have decided — or at least a faction within the Iranian regime — that it was in a position vis-à-vis the US akin to Japan before Pearl Harbor. Is that really such a stretch, regardless of how much it makes the commenters here feel bad about themselves?

    Suffice it to say, it isn’t even a close question whether Iran wanted Trump denied a second term. But simplistic Qui Bono is a fool’s errand. In other words, except for a tiny handful of countries, all the rest want him gone and a return to business as usual. The irony is that no one more than these authors and most of the commenters here would put Israel at the very top of the exceptions to that rule.

    My essential point is that even if Netanyahu personally benefitted from killing Soleimani, it was emphatically contra Israel’s nation interest. It not only potentially derailed Trump’s reelection prospects, but it essentially made an enemy of him. How does that make any sense.

    All of the commentary I’ve seen here has assiduously avoided Occam’s Razor. Soleimani’s actions (and more) raised the prospect that he was planning a game-changer operation. Seizure of American hostages at the embassy, held until after Trump lost the 2020 election, would fit the bill. Khamenei jumped the narrative gun (“You can’t do a damn thing about it”) as had Democrat Senator Murphy (“impotent”).

    • Replies: @MLK
  51. Harbinger says:

    The other day I was out with my nephew’s father. I stated “did you hear they, murdered Soleimani, the Iranian Al Quds general, who is a hero to the Iranian and Iraqi people” and his reply “well, that’s good. Another terrorist dead. America points the weapon, pulls the trigger and the bad men are gone”.

    This is what happens when you receive all your news from the msm.
    This, sadly, sums up the majority of the western civilisation. And I mean ‘high’ majority.
    Here in the UK, the BBC, ITV, CH4, CH5, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph……all Zionist mouthpieces, along with all the rest of the media outlets in the UK. All receive all their information from Reuters News Agency in Canary Wharf London. It’s just a simple case of copy and paste. There is only one new’s source, effectively throughout the whole of the western civilisation. And this is why people parrot what they do. Whenever they go into a pub, they’ll see, most likely Sky TV, again, another Reuter’s copy and paste media outlet. When they go home the terrestrial TV channels. It’s just constant, side by side, indoctrination. Very little people actually scour the internet for the news. Some ‘may’ use Russia Today on their phones, but that’s still a semi controlled media outlet.

    What really do you expect, when they’re all sitting inside Pluto’s cave, with the head Shaman being Rothschild, telling them how life really is, who’s good, who’s bad, who to like and who to dislike. It’s just one, big, state controlled brain laundry.

  52. jc says:

    while people here seem to know what the problem in the US gov is..a great many US people are just plain comments over on is just a love affair with any military killing the US does and no one gets to do anything about it..the state of stupidity in the USA is at an all-time high imo

  53. Agree with this article, it fits with the book By Way of Deception by former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky, this book can be had on

  54. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “The hypocrisy is staggering.”. As always.

    Also, Perhaps I’ve missed it but no one appears to pointing out the hypocrisy of the “Christian” Trump ordering the pre-crime , no due process assassination of this [admitted] scumbag. [disclaimer: and no, I’m not a “christian”] .

    And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

  55. Soleimani was traveling from Riyadh at the invitation of the President of Iraq, to bring a regional peace proposal from Saudi Arabia. Both nations are nominal US allies, but to succeed in creating a real peace, the United States must be made to withdraw from the Middle East. This is a good enough reason to kill the messenger.

    It seems more likely that the downing in Teheran of the Ukrainian airliner might be a Mossad operation. It’s their style, plenty of collateral damage to use as raw material for a new propaganda narrative as yet unpublished.

    Iran’s strikes were remarkably precise. The missiles easily defeated the base’s air defenses, just as the missiles that hit the Saudi oil refinery did. Their use in this way was a clear warning of the consequences of further US aggression, as was the promise that an attack on Iran would be met with immediate heavy reprisals against the region’s chief enemy of peace, Israel.

    The war is not off. The Bluffer-in-Chief, with obvious egg on his face, is buying time for the Pentagon to gather its forces even as he smarts in humiliation.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  56. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The gist of the media narrative seems to be that Iran is bad because it was providing support and weapons to Iraqi Shia militant groups who were killing U.S. soldiers, therefore the Iranian government has been fighting a covert war against America. CNN and friends are trying to score petty political points against Trump by whining about how he didn’t inform Congress, Fox and friends are lauding Trump for being the guy with the balls to stop Iran in its track when no other president (Obama is always emphasised) could do so.

    The truth of the matter is that homegrown Iraqi militias, such as the Mahada Army, started a resistance campaign against the Americans who they saw not as liberators but occupiers and colonialists of sorts. This militia was obviously on good terms with Iran due to their shared Shia ideology but they were by no means Iran’s proxy and in fact opposed Iranian influence on Iraq in any form.

    Most of these 600 were killed during the surge in 2007, which is hardly surprising, more troops = more casualties and deaths. Americans allaged Iran was supplying militias with explosively-formed projectiles -basically and improvised artiller7 shell that doesn’t need an artillery piece to be fired and is compact enough to be hidden in sneaky places – which were the cause of a lot of deaths as these EFPs were slicing though MRAPs.

    To this day they have not managed to find evidence that these EFPs were being supplied by Iran. They were initially claiming that since there were no EFP factories found, they must be coming from outside Iraq and therefore Iran must be the bad guy. But then they started finding EFP factores around Iraq and the parts for the EFP were sourced from all over the Middle East.

    Of coure the whole thing is completely retarded and Hollywood-esque which is why it works so well on the masses. Americans in particular have not managed to get over their fetish of soldiers and treat them like gods, despite it being obvious for some time that they have never defended American soil and are just the footsoldiers of globalist types. As such any attack on U.S. soldiers serving globalist interests is seen as an affront to the U.S. people and they start supporting wars.

  57. Z-man says:

    As much as I would like to see 1000 dead Israelis in Iranian retaliation it would be a lose-lose operation for Iran. It doesn’t have the military power to go against the Anglo-Zionist Beast. Israel would not hesitate to use the Samson option on Iran. More likely Trump would use the power of the USA to fight Iz’rael’s war and the Jew owned MSM would provide cover for either scenario.
    So Iran is doing the smart thing in it’s feeble response, so far. If the Iranians and their allies ‘bide their time’ they will get benefits from this assassination. Trump, either intentionally or not, has handed Iran and Iraq a great opportunity to get American forces out of Iraq. Trump intuitively wants them out and now he has the cover to do that by the Iraqi’s Parliament’s vote to have them leave. He has bent over backwards for the Zionists the last three years but even for a cynical guy like Trump there’s just so much pandering you can do.
    But crazed Christian Zionists like Pompeo should be removed from office, one way or another.

  58. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    I hate seeing that fat Zionist stooge’s face all the time. Pompeon looks like he should be a Dunkin Doughnut’s manager.

  59. Yes, about Pompeo. The propaganda chaff is more than ‘Israel did it.’ There’s something for everyone in there.

    The above is a priceless specimen of CIA’s bad-apple canard. Pompeo Pompeo Pompeo Pompeo PomPEo Pompeo.

    I see. “Pompeo and his allies” fooled Trump into criminal aggression. I’m trying to remember the last time a Secretary of State first got rotated through the DCI billet. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Uh, Never? Closest thing was Walter Bedell Smith, also a general, who went from DCI to Under Secretary, also at a time when CIA was consolidating its grip on the state. Attentive readers will recall that this period was the original efflorescence of ‘focal points,’ denounced by Fletcher Prouty, pioneered by Allen Dulles. CIA focal points now infiltrate the cabinet and the COG succession nomenklatura. Pompeo doesn’t have allies, he has dotted-line reports at CIA.

    With CIA’s government-issue doctrinal fixation on individual agency, the crucial institutional substructure of the Langley regime goes unexamined.

  60. Mefobills says:

    For those who are Trump toe suckers and apologists, let me point out that, if Trump had been suckered in the way I suggested might be possible, a truly decent and honest man would have been outraged by the sneaky betrayal by his neocons and he would had everyone involved arrested and charged with treason and murder.

    You would have to be an Aryan, and hence instinctively outraged by sneaky (((neo-cons))). It is a world view and an instinct, probably genetic to be outraged by usury and immoral Talmudic conditional logic. Jews are leading advocates of situational law, which leads toward Plutocracy and Kritarchies. Tell me I’m wrong on this. I’m not. Jews will adjust the law to fit their needs, including maintaining their plutocratic parasite status. If it is good for the Jew, is the only law that matters.

    Trumps exposure to Jew York real-estate, and the influence of other maneuvering tribesters like Roy Cohn, has to have had an impact on Trump. We don’t want to look right at it, but we should – we should not delude ourselves. Proof of Jew impact on Trump is allowing his daughter to marry and then convert to Judaism. My daughters have already been warned if they ever did something like that, they would be disowned. Trump is Jew-wise in the wrong way. How many c*cks can Trump fit into his mouth? A real Aryan will resist and fight.

    We can observe that Trump is using Chabbad element of Jewry which means he has sided against liberal Jewish reform types, and hence is a participant of Jewish dialectic. (Liberal Jews are the main agents for Jew Coup impeachment – they tend to be diaspora Ashkenazim from Pale of Settlement.)

    We have all been sucked into Zio world, and this is completely antithetical to our genetic and moral belief system.

    Iran/Persia are our natural allies, while ZOG and Sunni Arabs are NOT! (This is a general statement, we could probably find some honorable Sunni’s, but the case remains that Sunni Semites are not our natural allies – their worldview is foreign to Aryans.)

    The U.S. is on the wrong side of history, and we are on that wrong side because our brain was and is now parasitized by the worst types of (((people))). Making money with money, and screwing over others just because you can, is not the Aryan way.

    The money power is truly a fearsome power and it has overcome the west, and thrust us into nightmare ZOG world, where we have to become like Jews and Semites, and then act immorally and against our true nature. The true god of Judaism is Moloch and Mammon, and that God is being thrust up our rectum, against our will. In order to survive in their reality, we have to accept its premise. Go along to get along, if you want to survive.

    Dog eat dog, I’ve got mine, and screw you is the mantra of ZOG reality, and that mantra is upside down from our true nature. The original Aryan tribes were for win/win scenarios and moral law, which is why Ind0-Aryan languages and tribes spread and became successful over large swaths of the earth.

    Every now and then I see glimpses of Aryan morality slip out of Trump – as if it wants to escape from spider web zog matrix. Then we are all pulled back in by the (((spiders ))) and we all have to go along for the ride.

    The reason U.S. is a great Satan, is because we have been usurped. Most rational and moral people feel this, they just cannot put their finger on why.

    Democracy controlled by usury based Moloch money is antithetical to Aryan belief systems, as its outputs must, by definition – be immoral and satanic.

    • Replies: @PADOJO
    , @Druid55
  61. Truth3 says:

    No Ukrainians (except crew) and no Israelis on that plane.

    Iranians and Canadians (leaving Iran) were the bulk of the dead.

    Mossad? Probably 50/50 chance.

    The Jew Billionaire that owns the airline is a known Mossad actor.

  62. While there is profit in war , there will be no peace . : “Gaza ,drones and the booming business of war in Israel – battle-tested on Palestinians ” “Congress needs to end war profiteering now ” by Sarah Anderson :
    “…General Atomics (the manufacturer of the MQ-9 reaper that carried out the assassination of Soleimani ) raked in $2.8 billion in tax-payer funded contracts in 2018 . Its CEO has apparently prospered handsomely from such contracts as , according to Forbes ,he is worth close to $4.1 billion .”
    “Profits of war:inside the secret US-Israel arms network ” By Ari Ben-Menashe :
    “The profits of war : Planning to bomb Iran “
    “Aggressive existential tendencies of the US military – industrial empire to war and militarism are shaped by its own dynamics : continued need for arms production as a lucrative business which depends on permanent war and international convulsion …the Zionist lobby …or the occupant of the Whitehouse …will no doubt exert significant influences …”

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  63. Yes, the orange-haired outrage has again done the unthinkable. He cold-bloodedly orchestrated assassinations of the top Iranian general and a key Iraqi commander for maximum global media impact. Then, seizing on Iran’s anticipated (or mutually agreed?) token retaliation to his provocation, he took to the airwaves to proclaim this undiplomatic tit-for-tat as the making of a deal he called peace. Is he crazy or calculating?

    If the measure of the leader can be read in the breed of enemies he makes, it is not so easy to claim that the avowed America Firster is really just another stooge of Israel and its domestic Neocons. David Frum, the Canadian-born Republican Hillary supporter who enshrined Iran in the “Axis of Evil” slogan he coined in speeches written for George W. Bush, has grave doubts. He denounced Trump a day ago as a “sham president” who ignominiously failed to follow through with Israel’s long sought U.S. war on Iran. ( Has Trump strayed off the reservation built by Benjamins?

    MSM pundits and U.S. client states abroad have lacerated Trump unisono for the deplorably criminal assassinations of selected individuals but, without Frum’s candor, seem vaguely disappointed that the same wild man has decided against carpet-bombing 80 million Iranians. They can’t have it both ways. Maybe Trump, the consummate showman, has simply found the perfect way to finally cut away the decades-old Gordian knot of “Bomb Iran” from D.C.’s Neoconned U.S. policy. Has the Israel-First lobby been snoockered?

    If the Trump peace holds, Neocon false-flag spoilers notwithstanding, the better part of the president’s 63 million voters should come back for an encore next November, while his treasonous domestic foes in the Deep State, the hypocritical legacy media and elite Democratic kingmakers continue to choke on their own discredited poison pill of Russiagate-Impeachgate.

    What just took place in plain sight in Iraq and Iran is a major game-changing event, crafted solo by Trump. With one cunningly brilliant play, he now takes control of the foreign-policy reins going into his second term. As even reluctant Pentagon brass now see, their unwelcome occupation troops will have to come out of hostile Iraq and Syria, as candidate Trump once promised. That would mark the end of the Carter Doctrine and an unencumbered new beginning for America First. In effect. Trump has trashed the Bush II-Obama series of endless Asian wars for Israel-oil-empire, much as he hinted he would do in his 2016 campaign.

    Trump’s action has also shown up NATO (and the failing EU) once again for irrelevant paper-tigers. He sarcastically invited the NATO’s EU freeloaders to send their armies to Iraq and Syria if they don’t like the outcome of his past week’s solo performance. The pregnant silence of China and Russia suggests they are not unsatisfied with the less kinetic future Trump has at least envisioned for Iran and the rest of their continent.

    Trump has demonstrated spectacularly that he can (obviously create and) personally settle grave matters of war or peace directly and on the same wavelength with (ostensible arch-enemy of choice) Iran, whose leaders may also appreciate a worthy opponent at geostrategic chess. Iran simply sacrificed a knight in order to clear the board of Western mercenary pawns. It looks like clear win-win for both Iran and dealmaker Trump, whose political action theatre can scarcely be criticized as whimpish by even his most hawkish domestic opponents.

    Blocked at every turn in his first term, Trump has now given himself a free hand to achieve his other stated or implied campaign goals; namely: rapproachment with nuke-ready Russia, a peaceful end to the seven-decade cold-war standoff on the Korean peninsula and a withdrawal from the lost and pointless 19-year-old Bush-Obama war remote Afghanistan

    No war with Iran may also clear the way for a reelected Trump to concentrate on the revival of the hollowed-out, offshored American manufacturing economy and the plight of the disenfranchised working millions who put him in the White House. Ultimately that agenda would require rollbacks of neoliberal One World globalization, destructive oligarchic financialization and runaway credit expansion, and much of the $1 trillion a year military-industrial-congressional complex that thrives on inventing imaginiary enemies in order to redistribute national income to the highest corporate echelon.

    Had he spelled all that out in the beginning he would have been JFK-ed long ago. But Trump seems to have a knack for working toward unspoken ends by sharpening existing issues or creating sudden conditions that invite pivotal actions like that of Jan. 2 and its surprising aftermath. Observers have called him a master of 4D chess, always thinking several moves ahead. Wishful thinking, perhaps. But in the end, nobody — certainly not the electorate — can argue with success.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @gsjackson
  64. Cowboy says:

    Likely the shoot down of the Boeing 737 was a Mossad operation as well. The airline is under the Ashkenazi jew Komoisky’s control, and the Ashkenazi gangsters running Ukraine certainly know how to play the victim in an airline shoot down. It would also serve the purpose of causing Ukrainian leaders to start kvetching and throw some kind of hissy fit and cut off relations with Iran, further isolating Iran.

    I still think that the best explanation for the completely limp and ineffective Iranian response is that the Iranian Mullah’s were in on the Soleimi hit, likely as their part of the bargain concerning improving relations with the crypto-jews running Saudi Arabia.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  65. Truth3 says:

    US Laws (EO and traditional) against carrying out assassinations were for very good reason.

    Mossad historical assasinations were from a different mindset. It was their main activity.

    No American Politicians are doing anything other than talking the Joo book on this one.

    The US has gone Full Joo.

  66. @Harbinger

    Yes, when you receive all your news from the msm you believe that the Iranians shot down their own airliner .

  67. MLK says:

    Per my argument:

    Watch the question and answer from Trump beginning at 58:14:

    Nor is it coincidental timing that he waited until after Pelosi publicly climbed out fo the tree on transmitting the impeachment articles earlier today before revealing the centrality of this attack in his decision-making.

  68. onebornfree says: • Website

    ” Top 10 Warmongering Ideas Of The Day”:

    1] “It’s OK to kill someone today if there is reason to believe they may do something wrong in the future……….. Apparently only the US has this right……..”:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  69. Cowboy says:

    Maybe these two guys bumped Soleimani off because he was becoming a threat, even dealing with the Saudi’s:

  70. @Harbinger

    I think you meant “Plato’s cave,” but given the hell things are becoming, “Pluto’s cave” would be the perfect Freudian slip.

  71. Sean says:

    Numerous typos, even the title has one.

    Hezbollah’s top military leader


    Soleimani was defending his lands….” No one has the right to give Arab lands to Persians, and the Quds Force is not engaged inside Iran.

    It is well-known that Israel has more experience in targeted assassinations in the region than all Middle Eastern countries combined. It has killed hundreds of Palestinian and Arab activists this way. The assassination of Hezbollah’s top military leader – the movement’s second in command – Imad Mughniyah in February 2008, in Syria, was only one of numerous such killings.

    Israel’s strength is in lobbying by Jewish Americans. Their tactical level capabilities are greatly exaggerated and you get killed at the tactical level. The Pentagon’s Joint Special Operations Command killed all over Iraq and Afghanistan under Generals McChrystal and Flynn. Both those officers were cashiered, while their opposite number Soleimani was the most popular man in Iran. The Middle East including Israel seems fundamentally primitive in its addiction to military men as leaders.

    Soleimani at least stayed out of politics, he battled hard for his country then died for it which as Field Marshal Von Bock said is the greatest honour of all for a soldier, The prosecutors have just asked for six months imprisonment for Flynn. You can say that McChrystal and Flynn had no right to kill Arabs in their own countries. But by the same token why did Soleimani have such a right?

  72. @Harbinger ” BREAKING NEWS! The Ukrainian jet that crashed in Tehran WAS hit by an Iranian missile …” Well that proves it ! : “Wikipedia bans Daily Mail as unreliable source ” Unfortunately , you can’t always trust Wikipedia and the Guardian but in this case I find them credible .

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  73. onebornfree says: • Website
    @9/11 Inside job

    9/11 Inside job says: “While there is profit in war , there will be no peace .”

    Or, as historian Randolph Bourne stated all those years ago:

    “War is the health of the state”:

    Or, as I might say: ” If you want states/governments in the first place, then you will always have government initiated wars.”

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  74. SteveH says:

    The “very little people” who scour the internet for news – would these be leprechauns, by any chance? (and do you mean Plato’s cave, not Pluto’s?).

  75. Mefobills says:


    You would probably like this link, which describes Trumps Chaos theory of management, which “prepares the field” for change-making deals.

    I’m always balancing your view of second order effects with the actual thrust of history. The actual thrust of history can be understood by “following the money.” Usually the money power wins – not always, but usually.

    There are elements in U.S. military (Air Force mostly) who saw U.S. supply chain becoming “international” and hence the ability of the U.S. to protect itself becoming at risk. The air force also learned to trust Russians using de-confliction hot line while in Syria. My view is that U.S. Army and NSA is also now on the “nationalist” side. In other words, there are people who see this international ZOG construct of finance capitalism as a failed ideology – which of course it is. Steve Bannon calls the failed people as “Davos Man.” Bannon did have an impact on the Trump administration thinking.

    So far, Trump has sent mixed messages… he has given the finance capitalists everything they wanted, especially with tax breaks and pumping up of stock market, along with FED infinite backstop of Repo market – which increases financialization. Financialization is yet another form of usury that Davos man uses to screw over the planet.

    There are elements of MIC (Navy, CIA, State Department) who are in alignment with Atlanticism, finance capitalism, and hence ZOG and International Credit (corporate bank money).

    So far the second order effects are not as clear to me as they are to you.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  76. Harbinger says:

    I was typing on my phone and it must have put in Pluto after I’d typed Plato during text recognition mode.
    Sorry for the error, although considering that both are God’s of the underworld, then as a commenter suggested it was a good Freudian slip.

    • Replies: @SteveH
  77. Harbinger says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    There you go. The missile, most certainly fired by the Jew puppets in the Ukraine, who failed to kick off a war with Russia. As for wikipedia, yes, in this case I disagree, but most certainly it not being a reliable source, no doubt after it did a story on the 12 Israelis who raped the girl in Cyprus, creating doubt that the girl made the story up as the courts in Cyprus suggested.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  78. @Tucker

    Jews showed a willingness to murder 3000 of their fellow Americans on 911 so what are a couple hundred Ukrainian and Iranian lives to them?

    It will be interesting to see what the black box reveals. The Iranians have wisely chosen not to share it with America.

  79. @Hannah Katz

    Actually the capital of Israel is Tel Aviv. Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine.

  80. Ridiculous. The Empire in its desperate madness perpetrates mafia-style assassination, and some people keep blaming Israel. Of course, Israeli criminals (Bibi and his gang) kept egging the US on, but the blame for every crime is squarely on the perpetrator. BTW, neither Clinton, nor Bush Jr, nor Cheney, nor Obama, nor Trump is a Jew. Yet all of them are war criminals.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  81. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    It is no secret that Israel, Neocons, and Christian Evangelicals support a war on Iran.

    However, that doesn’t mean Israel was involved in this particular action or that there was even much planning behind it.

    There was an escalation of events in the last few weeks w attacks on US bases, the death of a contractor, the storming of the US embassy in Baghdad, etc. This was just another action in that chain of events. Trump was given a list of options and -stupidly- chose the most extreme one. His impulsiveness, ego, lack of understanding and deliberation was all it took.

    What’s more shocking is the US military put it on the list of options and didn’t talk him out of it. There is a reason previous presidents didn’t kill Soleimani.

  82. @onebornfree

    Recommend reading The Report From Iron Mountain, can be googled, came out in the 1960s , lays out the elites plans for perpetual war, and they have accomplished their goal.

  83. @FvS

    New DoD recruiting poster:

    Uncle Shlomo wants you, goyim, to join the Israeli Foreign Legion (f/k/a the U.S. military) to fight and die for Israel.

  84. @AnonFromTN

    The Empire in its desperate madness perpetrates mafia-style assassination, and some people keep blaming Israel.

    The jury is out on whether this was an act of madness on the part of Trump, or an act of blackmail by Israel/Israel-firsters, directed at Trump. There is a lot of speculation on the net that it is the latter, however, we may never know for sure. I know what I believe, though.

  85. barr says:
    @Twodees Partain

    My hunch is Israel is afraid of real war breaking out between Iran and USA. Otherwise Israel would have ratcheted up the pressure this time by attacking Syria/Iraq or Lebanon.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  86. anonymous[582] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

    You know, every people/civilisation have some peculiarities which others find “both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.”

    In the case of whitrash soul-rots, such as your specific kind, what I have found to be eminently “hilarious and pathetic at the same time,” would be your civilisation’s mind-bending pagan polytheist mangods-worship, which is spun as “monotheism.” A faith which is simply a derivation of the most extreme form of Paganism and Polytheism known to mankind, namely Hindooism, is spun as “monotheism.” To comprehend my point, check out the similarity between the Trinity and the Trimurthi.

    The Trinity is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    The Trimurthi is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: The Creator, the Preserver, the Destroyer.

    Also this;

    A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic, or as a trinity) is three deities that are worshipped as one.

    Indeed, it is both hilarious and pathetic at the same time, especially because how you spiritual paupers self-perceive yourselves as the “superior” race.

    A “superior” kind of people who are so utterly lost spiritually. 😀

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Ozymandias
  87. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’m sorry. Who’s “we” again?

  88. @Twodees Partain

    Thank you kindly for your present. I did not use it.
    I did put it in my vitrine to remind me that some people have a blessed heart.

    • Thanks: Twodees Partain
  89. Anastasia says:

    I belong to the newspaperarchivr. I read over all articles about soleimani and Iran. What could not be more apparent is that we are in the Mideast solely for Israel. Further soleimani is not a terrorist. He was labeled such in April 2019 albeit they say in later articles that he was labeled as such during Obama admin. What is readily apparent in reading the articles chronologically is that war against Iran has been progressing through the years, slowly progressing. I have no doubt that if Trump is re-elected or probably anyone else we will see war with Iran in the next term Everyone in the Mid East who is not on the side of Israel or the US is terrorist. Assad Iran the Houthis in Yemen and every Shia Muslim in the Mideast. They are all considered terrorists. From US view the all have no rights

  90. ld says:

    We have come to save you
    and relieve your daily strife
    We’ve come to free your people
    amd impose our way of life
    We are right and moral
    with only good intentions
    But if by chance you don’t concede
    We’ll stage an intervention
    Our Democratic love bombs
    Will convince you we are right
    We want your oil and riches
    We hope you’ll see the light

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  91. @Z-man

    Re: “Christian” Zionists (like Pompeo).

    It’s called riding the short bus to heaven.

  92. Anastasia says:

    What we don’t know and can never know is whether soleimani truly acted to kill Americans. I tend to doubt it nor will I ever give my govt bind faith without evidence, evidence that rises to the level of proof.

  93. gsjackson says:

    Thanks to you and St Germain for taking the discussion to this level. I was about to hop off the Q train into the slough of despond, but for the time being I’ll continue to hold out hope that, whatever the motivating forces might be, Trump could be taking things in a positive direction. He does, after all, have an absolutely impeccable set of enemies — all the usual Zio-suspects — and it’s hard to imagine them attacking him every single day if they really thought he was kosher.

  94. Robjil says:

    Even oneness is a count.

    God is one, is a number.

    God is all is a better way to perceive God.

    Three, one, two thousands gods are in all-ness.

    Thus, everything is OK.

    The only thing that is worth it, unlike what Mad Albright would say, is compassion for all.

  95. oh I get it now. Damnit. I forgot to do the background check to find out “Ron Keeva Unz (born September 20, 1961) is a former American businessman, known for an unsuccessful race in the California gubernatorial election, 1994… He was publisher of The American Conservative from March 2007 to August 2013. He now publishes The Unz Review…Born in California, to a Ukrainian-Jewish immigrant, Unz was raised in a Yiddish-speaking household.[3] His mother, Esther-Laio Avrutin, met his father on an airplane heading for Israel.”

    That explains this site. See ya

    • Replies: @Christopher Marlowe
  96. @Harbinger

    The airline (Ukraine International Airlines) is owned by Jew Ihor Kolomoyskyi. This guy was also involved in arming Ukrainian rebels like Azov battalion and whatnot. In the aftermath of the shootdown of Malaysia Air flight 17, it also transpired that these rebels were also in possession of the Buk missile system used to bring that plane down, and that possession of the Buk system was not limited to pro-Russian forces as was initially claimed.

    It is a hell of a coincidence that of all the planes that could have been ‘shot down’ near Tehran, it just happened to be the one owned by a Jew who is engaged in anti-Russian terror activities and who might have been involved in the MH17 case. Kolomoyskyi also has Israeli citizenship and a person of his stature and wealth no doubt has links to the Israeli establishment.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  97. renfro says:

    So the Iranians have somebody in the inner circle who leaked this info to Mossad/CIA.

    Not necessarily. The Saudis knew Soleimani would be in Iraq. They had sent a message to the Iraq PM to be discussed with Soleimani and relayed back to Iran.
    Just because Saudi is making peace noises with Iran doesnt mean they wouldn’t take out Iran’s top military man…..its a typical Saudi two faced tactic to lure someone into a trap.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  98. PADOJO says:

    Just remember that the Ashkenazim have no ancestry to those semites returned to Judea by Cyrus the Great! (Oops, he was Persian wasn’t he? Me thinks that more or less means Iranian). Bet he’s regretting that edict of his somewhere in the spiritual demension right about now. If any readers have not read ‘The Bible Unearthed’ or ‘David and Soloman’ by Finkelstein and Silbermann, do so. The biblical Jew history is a fraud tantamount to the 9-11 Commission Report. (Oops again, another Jew dominated enterprise). You can fool some of the people some of the time… Bottom line; Israel will probably end up like a shit stained pair of shorts after three wash cycles and (it’s) still there but barely dectectable. What goes around…

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  99. Robjil says:

    Saudis are a nothing burger.

    Israel is real burger.

    Saudis have control of nothing.

    It is a charade to think Saudis could do anything on their own.

    • Replies: @renfro
  100. Harbinger says:

    The Chosen:

    We are the chosen people, of Abraham we be,
    We’ll take control of continents, lands, air and sea.
    We’ll manage every land we live in, but are hidden in plain sight,
    And through manipulation, the goyim will fight our fight.
    For centuries on this earth, revolution’s been our game,
    We’ve pitted brother against brother, all for financial gain.
    We’ve told you we’re the persecuted, that we’re hated and disliked
    And you call us many, many names; the hebe, the hook nose and the kike.
    You tell us that we’re liars, that deception is our plan,
    And in return we’ll call you anti semite and bring about a ban,
    on every one of your freedoms, through such we’ll take control,
    then create our Greater Israel and death will take its toll,
    on nations that we will destroy, through war, through guile and bribe
    For this earth is our earth, we are the Jewish tribe.


    • Replies: @ld
  101. Shaman911 says:

    Israels footprints are also all over the Iranian Jet that was just shot down.

  102. Cowboy says:

    PavewayIV made a comment at MoA:

    “As far as I know, the US does not have a Patriot in Iraq and hasn’t in years. Why would we? ISIS and al Qaeda have no air force, and they’re on our side anyway. Iraqis have a few pieces of old soviet air defense equipment, but I don’t think it’s even functional or used. And they have no reason to ‘protect’ American bases anyway.

    We didn’t shoot down the Iranian ballistic missiles because we had nothing that could do that in Iraq. I think that was kind of the message Iran wanted to send the US. If we do stay there, we’ll have to consolidate US and Coalition of Evil troops into a few bases that can be protected by Patriots. Careful for the occasional boomerang PAC-2 attacking the Patriot batteries – those things are dangerous as hell.

    The US could probably see the missiles at some point – we have plenty of SPY-1 radars ‘watching’ Iran from Turkey, GCC and probably Iraqi ‘Kurdistan’. But the only nearby Patriots would have to be fired from Kuwait, Bahrain or Israel – useless against a much closer Iranian cross border missile attack on Ain Al Assad or Erbil even if they could be intercepted. PAC-2/3 range ~70 km or 45 miles. They would have to be at the bases hit to be of any use in an Iranian missile attack.

    We might have SHORAD or other short-range small-caliber rocket defense at Iraqi bases (don’t know), but nothing that would have protected them from a ballistic missile.”

    …The USAF has no presence there aside from drone boys that I know of. Its mainly a marine and army/SOF base with their related aviation helicopter support – CH-60s. 1500 troops more or less. In Pentagon terms, not worth a valuable Patriot battery. It has a long runway and can handle big cargo aircraft, but the pace of those operations is a drop in the bucket compared to those during the Iraq war. It’s mostly used as a training, staging and logistics base for Anbar supporting many more deeper FOBs supposedly doing anti-ISIS ops. Why (before the Suleimani assassination) would Iran give a damn about it?

    Iran recently threatened to target 104 US bases around its periphery. The majority of these bases are vulnerable, even naked. Thousands of American lives are at risk spread across Africa and the ME in a lillypad drone grid strategy that is indefensible without local collusion. Trump made a deal with the Mullah’s and Soleimani got punked.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  103. ld says:

    Meanwhile, anti war protesters are attacked by a bunch of Zionists in Pittsburgh
    Watch how fast a gang is assembled to shut them down.
    I have seen this behaviour over and over in university. Anytime there was a protest for Gaza no matter how impromptu… Zionists came out of nowhere to shout them down.

  104. renfro says:

    Trump is ‘dangerous and incapacitated’ and urgent action must be taken, psychiatrists say in wake of Iran crisis
    A coalition of mental health professionals says Congress must take war-making powers out of the president’s hands

    ”A group of mental health professionals have warned Congress it must act urgently to demand Donald Trump undergo an evaluation to determine his continued fitness for office after nearly a week of heightened tensions with Iran.
    The World Mental Health Coalition made the statement a month after warning Congress that the stress of impeachment could cause Mr Trump’s mental state to deteriorate to a dangerous level.
    “We have been seriously warning about this for some time. The US Congress must act immediately and forcefully without further delay,” the group said in a statement obtained by The Independent shortly after the president struggled to pronounce words and sniffed repeatedly while delivering a scripted statement on the Iran crisis at the White House.


    Mr Trump, they said, is “psychologically and mentally both dangerous and incapacitated” and has a presentation that is “consistent with a person who, when his falsely inflated self-image is questioned, or when his emotional need for adulation is thwarted, lashes out in an attempt to restore his sense of potency and command over others”.
    The group noted that while senior military leaders must pass yearly psychological evaluations, their commander-in-chief is exempt from such a requirement despite being “the person in most need and who is a maximum danger”, and added that current tensions in the Middle East make this a “critical time”, at which Americans “cannot wait any longer to deal with the dangerous situation caused by a mentally compromised person acting in erratic, reckless, impulsive, and destructive ways”.
    Because Congress has the constitutional power to declare and finance wars, it must “act immediately to take any war-making powers out of his hands”, they said, adding that it is “imperative that the Congress be equipped with accurate information” from those in the medical community who are qualified in “assessment and management of psychological dangers”.
    “We urge Congress to consult with us for a profile, if not evaluation, and to take seriously the mental health aspects that are at play in this mentally impaired president,” they said.
    While no one in the group has examined the president personally, one member, George Washington University Professor Dr John Zinner, told The Independent last month that the so-called “Goldwater Rule” which purportedly prohibits psychiatrists from diagnosing a person they have not examined is “more of a principle or a standard”, which is different from a rule “because the preamble of the code of ethics of the American Psychiatric Association that establishes the basic guidelines for the ethical canons says that a psychiatrist’s responsibility, first and foremost, is to his or her patients and to society and to his colleagues and himself in that order”.
    The group’s president, Yale University professor Dr Bandy Lee, told The Independent that Mr Trump’s decision to respond to an incursion into the US embassy in Baghdad with an airstrike against Iranian General Qassem Soleimani was expected because he opted for the most extreme of the options with which he was presented.
    Dr Lee noted that more than 800 of her colleagues had signed a petition warning Congress that the stress caused by the impeachment proceedings against him “would most certainly send him into a seething rage” because Mr Trump’s “fragile, falsely inflated self-image could scarcely withstand such a wound”. She added that from her perspective as a physician and mental health professional, it would be “inconceivable” for someone who meets full criteria for an involuntary mental health evaluation since long ago, based on dangerousness to others and the self” to be able to retain “full command over warmaking powers and nuclear weapons”.
    “The fact that the Pentagon officials were stunned, and even considered presenting him with the assassination option, starkly reveals how little those around him understand him and how ill-equipped they are to manage him,” she said. “They essentially handed him the craved match to throw into a field of gasoline”.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  105. renfro says:

    Saudis are cowards.
    But they are capable of playing the same deceptive games Israel plays.
    Saudi and Israel are currently allies in igniting a war against Iran…..they work together on that.

  106. SteveH says:

    Plato was an Athenian philosopher, born in the 4th Century BC – definitely NOT a god of the underworld.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  107. Mefobills says:

    Just remember that the Ashkenazim have no ancestry to those semites returned to Judea by Cyrus the Great!

    Padojo…not much ancestry instead of no ancestry.

    When King Bulan converted his Kingdom between 8’th and 9’th centuries, there was some “dirty dancing” going on between middle eastern Sephardi men and Khazar Turkic women.

    So, DNA introgression of Semite peoples is through the male line initially. Modern DNA testing focuses on the matri-lineal.

    There were two major neanderthal movements down from the Caucasus into the black sea region, and then onward into the middle east. So, Balun’s people looked across their hooked noses and some similar looking people from the middle east when Judaism was adopted.

    Ashkenazi had a population bottle-neck during their Western movement, which concentrated their genetic line.

    Judge a tree by its fruit, and their fruit is rotten. A few fruits are excellent, and those few people deserve our protection.

  108. Harbinger says:

    Sorry, it was an error, due to the fact that I was thinking of Hades at the time, the Greek equivalent of the Roman Pluto. This is why I stated ‘both’. Yes, I do know that Plato was not a God.

  109. Cowboy says:

    Hitler could not handle the stress either, especially after the attempted assassination/bombing. How many assassination attempts have there been on Trump? All the presidents become loopy, maintaining the lie eventually consumes what little soul they have left.

    There is also the issue of drugs. Trump could unknowingly be chemically, or even electromagnetically, manipulated. Just imagine all the toxic chemicals and emissions at these old nuclear bunkers and waste sites called “army bases” emit.

    These are the risks you run when you are ruled by a massive and corrupt empire. Switzerland, population 8 million, has 26 highly independent Cantons in the Confederation, some with less than 100,000 people.

  110. ld says:

    @ Harbinger
    Thank you
    I am in the midst of writing a poem called The Chosen.
    I shall have to change the title 🙂

  111. @journey80

    I would add that Israel doesn’t do fights at all. They commit murders and flee. If Iran actually retaliates at all, it should be on Israel.

  112. @niteranger

    True. Israel would dry up and blow away if US aid and military alliance was withdrawn. It seems to be odds-on to happen sooner or later due to an economic collapse.

  113. Harbinger says:
    @Just passing through

    Thanks for that.
    Yes, you, I and everyone on this forum (well other than the usual suspects) know that it stinks to high heaven of Israel. The only people who won’t cotton onto this, sadly happen to be the mass majority of westerners, gorging on the msm nonsense. The minute you bring up Jew, you’re instantly lambasted as an anti Semite. Reminds me of the Monty Python ‘blasphemer’ sketch.


    • Replies: @Just passing through
  114. Quantum says:

    No Corbyn in the UK, a guy almost every0ne here had a hard-on for turned into air pollution in Iraq. It brings me so much joy seeing the rats in this cesspit so miserable. Keep up the work.

  115. @anonymous

    “…your civilisation’s mind-bending pagan polytheist mangods-worship, which is spun as “monotheism.” A faith which is simply a derivation of the most extreme form of Paganism and Polytheism known to mankind, namely Hindooism, is spun as “monotheism.”

    Blah, blah, blah. I’m agnostic. Try harder.

  116. Razor says:

    Soleimani travelled openly and was unafraid of assassination. He flew on a scheduled flight from Damascus, and was in Iraq partly to bring the Iranian response to Saudi overtures for detente between them, to the Iraqi Prime Minister, who was the intermediary, and the US was aware of this.

    He was a man of faith, who was unafraid of martyrdom, something which he saw as a desirable and welcome way to die. There was no need for spies to follow his movements. He even casually used his mobile phone, which obviously could easily be tracked.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Moi
  117. renfro says:

    There are more people inside our government working for Israel than working for the US.

    ‘Think Tank’ FDD That Promotes War and Regime Change in Iran Paid Salary of Departing Trump NSC Staffer Jeffery Goldberg

    Bloomberg reported last week that Richard Goldberg — one of the National Security Council’s (NSC) most outspoken Iran hawks was departing the council “for personal reasons.” However, the Bloomberg story didn’t deliver its real bombshell until the last sentence: “Goldberg will return to [the Foundation for Defense of Democracies], which continued to pay his salary during his time on the National Security Council.”

    (Goldberg lived in Israel, was a prison guard in the IDF , works for the FDD, is editor of the Atlantic and promoted the invasion of Iraq and bombing of Iran.)
    (*BTW…in the 1963 Senator Fulbright Senate hearings on the ZOA it was revealed that the ZOA was paying the Atlantic $50,000 to write articles favorable to Israel)

    “Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Inc. (‘FDD’) was incorporated in New York on April 24, 2001 as EMET: An Educational Initiative, Inc. (‘EMET’),” FDD’s April, 2001, IRS application for non-profit status reads. “The initial purpose of EMET was to provide education meant to enhance Israel’s image in North America and the public’s understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations. The attached brochure illustrates EMET’s initial purposes, and the methods by which EMET was to attain such goals. These goals continue as part of FDD’s purpose.”

    “When you’re a National Security Council employee, you’re supposed to advance the interests of the U.S. government and only those interests,” Tommy Vietor, former National Security Council spokesman under President Obama, told Responsible Statecraft. “The fact that an outside group with murky funding sources and hawkish leanings could place an individual at NSC is fucking crazy.”


    • Agree: Cloak And Dagger
  118. @Harbinger

    New York Times shows footage of missile allegedly hitting the plane.

    My question now is why was some guy randomly filming a random section of the sky with his smartphone camera…just when the missile allegedly hit the plane?

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  119. Mr Baroud you are absolutely correct! The “FAT MEN AND THE BABY” were involved in Gen Soleimani’s assassination! The idea has come from the baby being MbS in Saudi as he assassinated Khashoggi in Turkey! The two desperate fat men executed the idea in Iraq to assassinate Soleimani!
    Because of their itching for a war in Iran they were expecting a hard hit from Iran with many US casualties in retaliation of Soleimani’s killing! The American casualties would have been an excellent pretext for Israel to force the US into an all out war with Iran! But the smart Iranians designed their attack with precision w/o inflicting any casualties so it’s enemies plan for attacking Iran was nothing more than smoke in the air! Now the two fat men have to deal with their own domestic demise! Bravo Iran!

  120. jsigur says:

    Israel may have done it but they like to share the joy with others. They prefer others get the credit and the blame and don’t forget the holocaust. We almost lost all our Jews!

  121. @journey80

    Your devotion looks evil to me.

  122. Harbinger says:
    @Just passing through

    You and I laugh at this. We know how incredibly fake all of this is. It’s nothing but fake news, but again, you could be in a pub, or in a coffee shop and overhear people talking stating: “And what’s more, someone on the ground caught the plane actually being hit by the missile. Isn’t that amazing? Talk about luck. It’s just so fantastic that we have video recording capability on our phones…..blah…..blah….blah……”

    Welcome to the society that polices itself. It’s ‘Lives of Others’ for the 21st century! Yay!!!!

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  123. Of course the “Israelis” played a role, the Saudis and Emaratis probably did as well. All part of the empire. I’m sure Adelsons millions help tip the scales as well. Where many of you go wrong, including Mr. Travis, is the ludicrous idea that this is ALL “Israel” or Da Jews. Thinking that if “Israel” just went away everything would be peaches and cream like it once was. America has been at war its entire existence folks, minus 20 years or so, way before “Israel” was even a thing.

    These wars are for resources money and control, extracting/stealing wealth, privatization and exploiting labor in new markets AKA capitalism. What these demons seek is monopolization, of everything. Monopoly of Resources (food, water, air, shelter), Monopoly of Control, Monopoly of Propaganda, Monopoly of Policy, Monopoly of Money, Monopoly of War. New world order as they say. The role of government eliminated, rule by the corporation, which is pretty much where we already are. Capitalism!

    For every “Jew” you can name, there is a gentile who is just as guilty. For every Israeli, theres an American or a European. John and Allen Dulles = not Jews. Bushs = not Jews. Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Obama, Kerry all non Jews. Condoleeza and Susan Rice = not Jews………… Most of these “Israelis” couldn’t care less about Judaism, they worship money folks. They’re just greedy ass white dudes! When “Israel” is no more, they’ll be running back to Poland or Russia from where they came!

    Hassan Nasrallah: Israel is only a US tool

    Should also be acknowledged that we have the literal “merchants of death” Raytheon execs now as Secretary of Defense, it should be pretty obvious who is dictating policy. The war profiteers don’t even hide anymore. Smedley Butler must be proud!

    Hassan Nasrallah: US ruled by huge Oil & Weapons Corporations

    I trust Nasrallah knows what he’s talking about. Not influenced by our propaganda.
    But by God carry on!

    • Agree: Biff
    • Disagree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Robjil
  124. Hmmm. Is Israel’s fingerprints also all over Epstein’s death?

  125. gsjackson says:

    Great take, eloquently stated. I certainly hope it’s a lot closer to the mark of what’s actually happening than the more customary reactions hereabouts.

    BTW, are you aware that in certain …. I guess you’d call them New Age/occult/Q circles … Trump is regarded as the latest incarnation of St Germain, an ascended master — I suppose is his status — who enjoys sticking his nose into history by incarnating as prominent characters such as Napoleon? This young girl — who actually has a lot of interesting things to say — thinks he’s the second beast of Revelation, though decidedly better than the Synagogue of Satan that he (as Trump) will replace.

  126. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “Russia provided Israel security codes to access Iran’s Tor- M1 air-defense systems in exchange for an Israeli handover of codes to “hack” drones sold to Georgia, according to a leaked email from a private American intelligence company”.

    “An employee for Stratfor wrote the report, dated February 2009, and cited a “Mexican source,” described as a former police officer and a current military analyst.”

    Israel basically had administrative super-user level backdoor access to the Iranian missile defence systems.

    That’s per the Jerusalem Post – so it has to be true. Blowing up that plane is probably a scenario they had considered. This also indicates Russia has less independence that one might have thought. Those poor Slavs in the Ukraine and Russia, just endlessly raped and subjugated. They have so much sadness.

    One can only imagine the kind of access Israel will have to American hardware.

    Now I’m not saying it was Israel.

    But it did feel strange to me that Iranians would kill so many of their own people trying to flee into the Ukraine.

    There was a Tor warhead. It is quite possible it was staged, but the plane was in fact destroyed by a Tor Iranian SAM system controlled remotely. Iranians then claiming responsibility might just indicate that their military is compromised.

    I just feel really sad for those white Ukranians on board that plane. I have recurring nightmares about that exact scenario – flying over the Mediterranean or the gulf, and getting hit by a Stinger missile or a SAM or a stealth sidewinder and slowing burning to death as my aircraft spirals into oblivion and I remember I missed confession.

    I’ve been an Israel supporter all my life. But I just don’t understand the mindset of killing all those people. What is the benefit? Make Iran look bad? They already look bad.

    I think I’m just going to have to marry a Jewish girl and deal with the complexities.

    I don’t want to be on a plane flying near the gulf and because of some stupid posturing shit I posted when I was a teen and then a pre-boomer someone decides to blow me into a million pieces because I was young and stupid.

    If the Unz really is a honey-pot and a limited hangout to collect identities then understand that things change, okay? People suddenly plummet into a bottomless ocean and then they need to come out for air.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  127. Cowboy says:

    Paveway made another great comment on the next MoA thread. To me it is clear, the 737 was brought down in a nefarious fashion. As the Iran vilification for “shooting down a Ukrainian jet” heats up, the dirty hands of the talmudic usual suspects will become clear.


    “TOR M-1s that Iran bought from Russia (2007 or so) are a short range area-defense system. They would not have been ‘on alert’ in the sense people are led to believe because they are not operated as stand-alone systems.

    TOR crews don’t get to decide anything

    A TOR crew outside Tehran would have ZERO authority on their own to target anything they thought was a threat within their TORs 15 km surveillance range. That’s just not the way it works in an integrated, layered defense of fixed sites. Someone at the brigade level or above would have been operating medium-range (BUK) and long-range (S-300 or Bavar-373) sites with layered radar coverage. Someone way above the TOR crew’s pay grade would have properly identified any threatening target much further away with multiple other radars and handled it appropriately.

    Spoofed entire AD network with ‘threat’?

    Even in an unlikely, hypothetical case, I can’t imagine Iran (or any AD forces) clearing a TOR as the sole responder in this scenario, especially for a target ‘suddenly appearing’ but moving away from Tehran and the airport. What, exactly, would have been the threat to let a point-defense unit to start blasting away?

    I also can’t imagine a TOR being the first/only one to detect a threatening aircraft even if it was moving directly towards Tehran. Nobody has cloaking devices, and the TOR’s little engagement radar has no magical sensitivity that they could have seen anything that all the longer-range radars would have missed. The crews understand this. They’re not suppose to make command decisions to destroy aircraft like they’re playing a video game, and their commanders would not simply have used the closest TOR to blast an unidentified target near Tehran’s airport when they had plenty of time to figure out what was going on and opportunity to blast it if it ever was identified as a threat.

    TOR or AD network hacked to fire?

    Remotely technically possible, but odd timing/opportunity to give up your secret hack to Iran. I can think of higher value targets to use a one-time trick like that for (if it even exists).

    What about the TOR warhead/fuse/pointy-thingy?

    The nose and its movable fins are the guidance unit, not a warhead. No fuse, no explosives. The warhead is behind it. As b points out, TOR guidance units have be found where TORs (the 9M331 missile) have detonated. First, Bellingcat said the picture came from the crash site. Then they said from the same neighborhood where the video guy was standing. I’m sure it was wherever MEK thought it was a good idea to toss it. If this ‘incriminating’ evidence was turned in to authorities, the Iranians will be able to trace it back to the unit that supposedly fired it. Of course, they could just drive out to that TOR site and look for an empty launch tube. I’m guessing they will never retrieve it because MEK doesn’t want Iran to know it was last attached to, say, a Cypriot, Egyptian or Azerbaijani TOR M-1.

    What about the video? Fake?

    If it’s real, then I would say a MANPADS. The aircraft was easily within range and engagement envelope of any modern shoulder-fired rocket (or two). Explosive residue and shrapnel will help identify the specific one. The area it would have been fired from is low, rocky hills. Easy to conceal actual launch site minus the sound, but someone would have reported it. All MANPADS solid-fuel motors are really damn loud, so anyone within a few km would have heard it launched and at least seen it after a few seconds.

    Easy enough to fake a video like that though, but that’s not the most damning evidence against it. I’m having problems with

    1) The aircraft stopped transmitting ADS-B (the Flightradar data) too early. Whether it was a MANPADS or TOR, that doesn’t explain the gap between the last ADS-B transmission and the supposed missile strike. That’s not proof of anything, but it seems odd. Did the aircraft lose electrical power or radios 15 seconds before ‘being hit’? Why? Other flights taking off from Tehran kept transmitting every 5-6 seconds, and ground stations ‘heard’ ADS-B in that area, so it’s not coverage.

    2) An IR-seeking MANPAD does not discriminate between engines. It goes towards the brightest IR signature it sees, which would be the closest engine. Considering the aircraft’s abrupt right turn, it would have been the starboard engine that failed, not the port one on the side the missile came from.

    3) The vertical stabilizer (rudder) was torn off the tail just prior to impact and found at the leading edge of the debris field. That’s a really, really strong part of the aircraft. Usually you’ll find the vertical stabilizer (elevator) wings still attached to the horizontal stabilizer if the aircraft comes apart. For aerodynamic forces to rip that thing off, the aircraft would have to be spinning or encountered some other catastrophic forces just prior to impact. The final tens of seconds seem to have been in a relatively straight line, but I don’t know for sure. We haven’t seen any radar, and no final-seconds video to see how the aircraft was reacting. The debris field was long and it appears the aircraft didn’t hit in a near vertical attitude, so it was ‘kind of’ flying the last few seconds. That’s just an odd time for the vertical stabilizer to come off first considering everything else that was disintegrating. Don’t know what to make of that.”

  128. Tucker says:


    Don’t you suppose that, despite their evil and psychopathic, default nature, the Israelis are intelligent enough to realize that any use of their illegally owned, stolen nukes against Iran presents a very serious problem for Israel – since Iran is so geographically close to Israel?

    It is impossible to control where the radioactive fallout will travel; that’s up to Mother Nature and the jet-stream. Winds would carry fallout all across the Middle East, initially, and rains would carry the deadly residue of any nuclear explosion down to Earth, where it would contaminate the agricultural areas, contaminate fresh water lakes, rivers, and streams and also fall upon these sorry excuses for humans.

    I think that’s why nukes are really a very lousy offensive weapon. Its also why nations who might be neighbors to any nation that gets hit with a nuke would be extremely unhappy for anyone to start using nukes. Innocent people would suffer and millions would die from the consequences of exposure to radioactive fallout.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Anastasia
  129. Robjil says:

    This doesn’t address the Jewish advisors that stir up all this.

    If we had Italian advisors stirring up wars for the past hundred years, we would be OK to talk about it.

    We can’t talk about the Jewish advisors who stirred up wars because it is “anti- Semitic” to talk about it. Douglas Reed’s “Controversy of Zion” explains how Jewish advisors stirred up WWI and WWII. The same type of Jewish advisors stirred up WW III for Eretz Israel since the Israel/ Zion USA nine eleven false flag.

    If anyone who does something bad, they are a criminal first and not Jewish first, Christian first, Muslim first, Chinese first, Russian first, European American first, etc.

    The great power of Jewish Mafias is that one can’t talk about them. It is anti-S to do so.

    The ZUS empire spent trillions of fake printed money to terrorize the Middle East with nothing to show. The only thing it has “shown” there, is that it is loyal to little Israel.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  130. @Anon

    “If the UNZ really is a honey-pot and a limited hangout to collect identities…” which, if true , explains why I am getting “SSSS” on my boarding pass , see Eric Striker’s new article . It’s too late for me I am now in the database .

  131. @9/11 Inside job

    You’d be in the database anyway. The NSA and other such organs already know who’s reliable and who’s not, I doubt they need the IP addresses from a samizdat website forum.

  132. @9/11 Inside job

    For decades the deep state has had every phone call, every email, every post, on everyone, we live in a time worse that Orwell even could ever dream about, 1984 is a walk in the park compared to todays ZUS.

  133. onebornfree says: • Website

    Harbinger says: “We know how incredibly fake all of this is. It’s nothing but fake news, but again, you could be in a pub, or in a coffee shop and overhear people talking stating: “And what’s more, someone on the ground caught the plane actually being hit by the missile. Isn’t that amazing? Talk about luck. It’s just so fantastic that we have video recording capability on our phones…..blah…..blah….blah……” ”

    Have you considered the possibility that [horror of horrors!] that video is 100% fake?

    After all : “The 9/11 Scam-The Faked “Live” MSM Imagery”:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  134. Z-man says:

    If the Persians inflicted a lot of pain on the Zionists, thousands dead, Tel Aviv airport in ruins, they would not hesitate in using the Samson option, despite their inteligence.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    , @hotrod31
  135. Ram says:

    There were no Iranian leaker/s.

    Soleimani had been invited to Iraq by the Prime Minister to present the Iranian reply to Saudi Arabian request to reduce tensions between the countries, and apparently had Trump’s blessing. Trump had been informed by the Iraqi PM, and the information was available on the computer system of the airline.

  136. Harbinger says:

    “Have you considered the possibility that [horror of horrors!] that video is 100% fake?”

    Yes, I have. I also do not believe that planes hit the WTC on 9/11 either. I haven’t watched the video but there’s certainly, a high possibility, it’s CGI on the msm, yet again. The fact that someone video recorded it, gives it even more possibility of being fake.

  137. @Z-man

    I have a theory that evil people don’t have intelligence, just a kind of low animal cunning. That and ruthlessness can be mistaken for intelligence until the evil people do something totally self destructive and stupid.

    There’s also the possibility that Israel doesn’t have any functioning nukes. The idea that Israeli nukes are hidden here and there in the US and abroad fails to take into account that nukes must be maintained in a state of readiness. That’s hard to do when they are hidden.

    • Replies: @Popeye
  138. hotrod31 says:

    “Or, there are MOSSAD agents in the Iranian top brass.” That is a given.

    There are not many government agencies, anywhere in the world, without MOSSAD agents. I dare say that Putin and Xi are probably well aware of their in-house problems with their resident moles, Iran should have been. After all, many native Iranians are Jews.

  139. hotrod31 says:

    Is it intelligence that the Israelis have, or is it; shit-house rat cunning?

    • LOL: Z-man
  140. @Rational

    The way I understand it, and as detailed by ‘b’ at, Soleimani was in Bagdad at the invitation of Premier Mahdi to meet with a certain Saudi to discuss de-escalation. Something the US must have been privy to. Soleimani traveled to Iraq openly in a commercial jet. so, to me it appears he was duped into lowering his guard. A fatal mistake when dealing with Americans, Jews and Saudi’s. There wasn’t need for a snitch. Saudi Arabia played Judas, and we know the rest.

  141. Druid55 says:

    Well said. Jews have been causing chaos wherever they go for over 2000 years

  142. @simpleton11

    This site gives voice to ideas that you cannot find anywhere in the Jewish MSM. And the commenting policy is similarly very free and open.

    Ron Unz has a Jewish heritage, but I think that he is very honest and highly principled. Also he has a very high IQ, and a giant head, and I would vote for him any day.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  143. Popeye says:
    @Twodees Partain

    The general figure on Israeli nuclear warheads is @100, perhaps 150. The vast majority positioned on diesel submarines in Mediterranean. Many of these subs are German built. Nothing like embedded USA or USSR icbm sites in remote areas, nor mobile warheads on railcars. Possibly some on planes, such as tactical warheads on cruise missiles. But the vast majority on subs.

  144. @Hannah Katz

    Rational Americans don’t give a shit about Iran or any other country in the middle east. The question is how long Americans will put up with perpetual war.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  145. @Popeye

    In the 1990s put the number of nukes that Israel had at around 400, they no doubt have thousands by now.

  146. @Christopher Marlowe

    It’s not nice to observe that the host has a big head. He can’t help it. Probably all the bullies in school called him ‘Bighead’ and now here you go.

  147. @Popeye

    That just isn’t any more credible than the theory that they have nukes hidden everywhere, ready to go off. One commenter here has said several times that he thinks that’s the case. It sounds like nonsense to me.

    When has Israel tested a nuke?

  148. anarchyst says:

    I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that israel’s nukes are on its submarines.

    Israel’s nukes are already “embedded” in cities around the world and are ready to be detonated (remotely) at a moment’s notice.

    Of course, the blame will be put on israel’s favorite “enemy of the week” and will be used to “jump start” the next “war” for israel’s “interests”.

    Look for a nuke to be detonated in Rome or Brussels, Rome being the jews’ European favorite as it is the seat of Catholic Christianity, the jews’ mortal enemy.

    In the United States, Chicago, Atlanta or Los Angeles are likely targets.

    New York City is “off limits” to israeli nukes as it is full of jews.

    Of course, that could change, if the jewish “powers that be” decide on a REAL “holocaust™” this time…unlike the last phony “holocaust™”.

  149. “Although there has been no official confirmation or denial of the Israeli role in the US operation, it is only logical to assume indirect or even direct Israeli involvement in the assassination.”

    This is not finding fingerprints but reasoning a priori that since it is the sort of act Israel would support or advocate, they must have done it.

    Not convincing.

  150. Anastasia says:

    The country most likely to use them in the Mideast has them

    • Agree: anarchyst
  151. Moi says:

    He was a true patriot!

  152. @Paul

    It may be debated by those who don’t know the process. Comparing it to a regular criminal process, the House procedure amounts to the same as an indictment, and the Senate phase is the trial. To claim that Trump has been impeached at this point is the same as claiming that a shoplifter has been convicted after being indicted, before the trial is held.

    The House has made an accusation. Nobody is guilty by accusation. Guilt is determined by trial. As long as the articles of impeachment haven’t been forwarded to the Senate, the state of the process is the same as one in which a prosecutor has simply made the accusation, without even taking the case to the initial hearing in court.

    Once the Senate has the accusation in hand, it will hold a hearing on the evidence before moving to a trial, in which evidence from both sides will be presented. The process is still in the beginning stages, and the prosecution (House) hasn’t moved forward.

  153. @sally

    That is quite a system you describe. Sadly, it’s as unwieldy as anything humans design as a means to control humanity’s condition. Ultimately, it appears to be impossible to safeguard the rights of individuals by collective action.

    Butler Shaffer wrote: “Civilizations are built by individuals and destroyed by collectives”. That’s something to remember when designing governments.

  154. @barr

    There’s still time for the Likudniks to show their asses. Certainly, all Israelis are not hoping for a US/Iran war, but there are some in power there who are.

  155. barr says:
    @Hannah Katz

    ” Iranian-American Saghar Erica Kasraie. In the video Kasraie states she is a “human rights activist” and proclaims that Iranians are celebrating the assassination of Soleimani. .
    What is not being said about Kasraie is that she is a conservative Christian evangelical who has been involved in rightwing politics in Washington DC for years. She worked for the Institute of World Politics, a neo- conservative think tank .—

    Wurmser “who became a significant force behind the push for war with Iraq in 2003, as an informal adviser to the Trump administration, Wurmser helped make the case for the recent drone strike that assassinated Iranian Gen. Qassim Suleimani.
    Wurmser wrote to John Bolton in May and June of 2019. . — such as the killing of Suleimani — would,
    A 2005 article in the New Yorker by Seymour Hersh quoted a government consultant who described the perspective of these officials as being that a bombing campaign against Iran’s nuclear facilities would spur a revolution led by “secular nationalists and reformers.” The consultant summarized their view: “The minute the aura of invincibility which the mullahs enjoy is shattered, and with it the ability to hoodwink the West, the Iranian regime will collapse.”

    Wurmser’s outlook seems not to have changed one bit. , he wrote that the U.S. will not need “boots on the ground” because “Iranians would both be impressed and potentially encouraged by a targeted attack on symbols of repression.”

    Wurmser holds a Ph.D. in international affairs and worked for the AIPAC-spinoff Washington Institute for Near East Policy in the mid-1990s. In 1996, he was one of the main thinkers behind a policy document titled “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” t

    In 1999, Wurmser wrote a book titled “Tyranny’s Ally: America’s Failure to Defeat Saddam Hussein,” ,” Wurmser said, adding that “the menace from Saddam’s Iraq will continue to grow” if the U.S. did not remove him from power.
    Wurmser was appointed to a two-man intelligence unit by Douglas Feith.
    Wurmser then became a senior adviser to Bolton,

    Notably, the article about Wurmser’s current accomplishments, by neoconservative Bloomberg journalist Eli Lake, does not mention any of Wurmser’s unfortunate history.

    Wurmser Feith Eli Lake and Bolton,this Christian evangelical are most happy that to be sure .

    “A new poll from Politico-Morning Consult shows the American public substantially less on board with escalatory violence against Iran than media coverage of the situation would generally lead one to believe.

    The poll showed the decision to assassinate top Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani was highly controversial. Despite weeks of vilifying Soleimani, only 44% support his killing, and 38% continue to disapprov” Thursday 01/16/2020

  156. anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hannah Katz

    What’s the name of that guy ? David Frum!
    Didn’t he call those against war traitor ?

    He will call 40% American traitors because they refuse to go with Neocons , and their interconnected deals through diaspora double citizens AIPAC. MEK’s financier Israel , and bribed Bolton , for Israel .

  157. KA says:

    ‘Pete Takes Money From Fossil Fuel Billionaires’: Climate Activists Disrupt Buttigieg Rally in New Hampshire

    We have never seen anyone disrupting the rallies of any politicians supporting ME wars in the past and in the present but being accused of taking money from lobbyists- individuals or groups like Adelshon or Saban or AIPAC.

    But we are supposed to accept that fossil fuel lobby is most powerful and is deciding ME war “ for oil”

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