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The People of the Lie

Primo Levi, Italian author of If this is a man (1947) — “a pillar of Holocaust literature” according to Wikipedia —, wrote a short fictional story titled “un testamento”, consisting of the last recommendation of a member of the guild of the “tooth-pullers” to his son. Its ends with these words:

From all that you have just read you can deduce that lying is a sin for others, and for us a virtue. Lying is one with our job: we should lie by words, by eyes, by smile, by clothing. Not only to deceive patients; as you know, our purpose is higher, and the lie, not the twist of hand, makes our real strength. With the lie, patiently learned and piously exercised, if God helps us we will come to dominate this country and perhaps the world: but this can only be done on the condition of having been able to lie better and longer than our enemies. I will not see that day, but you will see it: it will be a new golden age, when only the last resorts will force us to pluck out teeth again, while it will be enough for us to govern the State and administer public affairs, to lavish the pious lies that we have learned to bring to perfection. If we prove ourselves capable of this, the empire of the tooth-pullers will extend from East to West until the most distant islands, and it will have no end.[1]Translated from the French: Primo Levi, Lilith et autres nouvelles, Le Livre de Poche, 1989.

There is no literary value in this prose. Its only interest is the question it begs: Who does Levi mean by this society of professional liars, whose trade is passed on from father to son, and whose plan is to conquer the world? Of whom are they the metaphor? And perhaps this other question: What is this “testament” of theirs?

Even if we didn’t know what gang of professional liars Levi belonged to, their “God” would give them away: there is only one god who trained his people to lie and promised them world domination, and that is the god of Israel. “Israel,” remember, is the name Yahweh gave to Jacob, after Jacob lied to his aging father Isaac, by words and by clothing: “I am Esau your first-born,” he said, dressed up in “Esau’s best clothes,” in order to cheat Esau out of his birthright (Genesis 27:15-19). This is, in the literal—and literary—sense, the founding story of Israel. As long as Christians fail to see the malice of it, and its correlation with Jewish behavior, they will continue to play the part of Esau.

What is the biggest Jewish lie in history? Without contest, it is the claim that Jews, of all the nations inhabiting this earth, were once “chosen” by the almighty Creator of the Universe to enlighten and rule over mankind—while all their enemies were cursed by the same Creator. What is truly bewildering is not the enormity of the lie: many individuals may feel chosen by God, and even nations have done so. But only the Jews have managed to convince billions of non-Jews (Christians and Muslims) of their chosenness. How did they do it? “Almost by accident,” wrote Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage in his must-read 1928 article “A real case against the Jews.” I think the accidental factor was rather minor.

The Christians’ theory that, after choosing the Jews, God cursed them for their rejection of Christ doesn’t contradict, but rather validates the Jews’ claim that they are the only ethnic group that God chose, loved exclusively and guided personally through his prophets for thousands of years. I have argued in “The Holy Hook” that this has given the Jews an ambivalent but decisive spiritual authority over Gentiles. In fact, even the Jews’ “cursedness” that goes with their chosenness in the Christian view has been beneficial to them, because Jewishness cannot survive without hostility to and from the Gentile world; that’s part of its biblical DNA. Jesus saved the Jews in the sense that their hatred of Christianity preserved their identity, which might otherwise have perished without the Temple. According to Jacob Neusner “Judaism as we know it was born in the encounter with triumphant Christianity.”[2]Jacob Neusner, Judaism and Christianity in the Age of Constantine: History, Messiah, Israel, and the Initial Confrontation, University of Chicago Press, 1987 , pp. ix-xi. Christian Judeophobia had an advantage over Pagan Judeophobia: with Christianity, the Jews were not just hated as atavistically antisocial (i.e., Tacitus’ Histories v, 3-5), but as God’s once chosen people, and their Torah became the world bestseller. Chosenness is an unbeatable trump card in the game of nations. If you doubt its power, just ask yourself: would the Jews have gotten Palestine in 1948 without that card? The Holocaust joker alone would not have done it!

As I have become increasingly aware of the resonance between the spiritual and the genetic, as well as of the Jewish war against White identity, I have come to wonder if the revealed notion of Jewish divine preference and predestination has not been a slow debilitating poison injected into our collective soul. Jewish chosenness means a metaphysical superiority that makes us, non-Jews, God’s second choice at best. Sure, this is not an explicit dogma of Christianity—the Credo doesn’t include “I believe that God chose the Jews”—, but only an underlying postulate of Christology. Does that make it less, or more efficient against our rational immune system? It is hard to tell. I believe that Jews have carried their chosenness by the Jealous One as a kind of spooky aura not unlike the mark of Cain that says, “Whoever kills Cain will suffer a sevenfold vengeance” (Genesis 4:15). (It is appropriate to mention here that Cain is the eponymous ancestor of the Kenites, a Midianite tribe allied to the Israelites during the conquest of Canaan, and that according to the scholarly “Kenite hypothesis,” the Yahwist cult is of Kenite origin.)[3]Read Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2015, pp. 137-138, or Hyam Maccoby, The Sacred Executioner, Thames & Hudson, 1982, pp. 13-51. I broached on this topic in my book “Our God Is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us”: Essays on Jewish Power, AFNIL, 2020, pp. 42-45.

How did they do it? How did the Jews manage to smuggle their Big Lie into the exclusive religion of European nations? That is a legitimate and important question, isn’t it? From a purely historical perspective, it remains one of the greatest puzzles; one that secular historians prefer to leave to Church historians, who are comfortable with Constantine hearing voices near the Milvius Bridge. The question is, very simply: How is it that Rome ended up adopting as its spiritual foundation a doctrine and a book claiming that God chose the Jews, at a period of widespread Roman Judeophobia? And how is it possible, that, less than two centuries after turning Jerusalem into a Greek city named Aelia Capitolina, where Jews were forbidden to enter, Rome adopted officially a religion that announced the fall of Rome and a new Jerusalem?

One part of the answer is that uniting the Empire under a common religion has been a major concern of Roman emperors from the very beginning. Before Christianity, it was not a question of eliminating local religions, but of creating a common cult to give a divine legitimacy and a religious bond to the Empire. When they searched for religious inspiration, the Romans generally turned to Egypt. The cults of Osiris (or Serapis, as he came to be called from the third century BC), of his sister-spouse Isis, and of their son Horus (or Harpocrates, Horus the Child) were extremely popular all around the Mediterranean, and provided the Romans with the closest thing to an international religion.

Hadrian (117-138) gave Osiris the features of Antinous, to whom he also dedicated a new city, new games, and a constellation. The origin of Antinous is unclear. The Augustan History tells us that he was the gay lover (eromenos) of Emperor Hadrian, and many historians still reproduce that story, even though the Augustan History has been exposed as the work of an impostor. In all likelihood this story is a Christian propaganda against a competing religion. Antinous, whose name is formed of anti, “like”, and nous, “spirit”, is supposed to have drowned in the Nile on a 24th of October, just like Osiris, and his death was interpreted as a sacrifice. As a divinity, Antinous was assimilated to Osiris, and by extension to Hermes, Dionysos and Bacchus, all divinities of the Afterworld. On a monolithic obelisque found in Rome but built in Antinopolis, Antinous is designated as Osiris Antinous. His cult must therefore be seen as a new expression of the cult of Osiris sponsored by the Empire. Antinous’ face and body, sculpted in thousands of copies, were a self-celebration of the White race that then dominated the world, from Anatolia to Spain, and from Great Britain to Egypt.[4]Royston Lambert, Beloved and God: The Story of Hadrian and Antinous, Phoenix Giant, 1984; Christopher Jones, New Heroes in Antiquity, op. cit., pp. 75–83.

Antinous as Bacchus, colossal sculpture presumed to have been from Hadrian’s villa in Palestrina
Antinous as Bacchus, colossal sculpture presumed to have been from Hadrian’s villa in Palestrina

What a contrast with its competitor, the cult of the Crucified. The question, then, becomes: Why did Christ ultimately supplant Osiris, even absorbing the cult of Isis? How is it that the glorious and self-confident Roman Empire converted to the cult of a Jewish healer tortured and executed by Roman authorities for sedition? This is the Jewish question that few people want to ask. Assuming that Christianity is a human creation—and that’s my premise—, it is obviously a Jewish creation to a large extent. How did Jews manage to create a religion for Gentiles that would ultimately eradicate all other religions in the Empire—beginning with the imperial cult?

A full understanding of this question will probably never be reached, but with what we have learned about Jewish ways in the last hundred years, we can try to formulate some reasonable scenario, one that doesn’t involve God talking to emperors, but another talking device—money—as well as political leverage by a Jewish transgenerational network determined to seize control of the religious policy of the Empire. We, today, know that such Jewish transgenerational networks, capable of driving their host Empires or nations to their ruin, do exist. We also know that they are good at fabricating and promoting their Judeocentric macabre religion for the Goyim.

The Two Sides of the Big Lie

Is this quest really necessary? Can there be any benefit for Western civilization in questioning its already shaky Christian foundation? And is the Big Lie such a big deal? Before proceeding, I want to share my viewpoint on these questions, on which I have thought long and hard.

“The greatness of White civilization sprung from the Christian faith.” Such a statement seems hardly controversial. And yet, I think it is completely mistaken. The achievements of our civilization stem from the inner strength of our race, which include an exceptional propensity to “idealize”, by which I mean both to generate ideas and work toward their realization. The genius of our race is to be creators of powerful Ideas that drive us forward and upward. This capacity, which Søren Kierkegaard calls ideality (In Vino Veritas, 1845), is not to be confused with what we commonly call idealism, although it may be argued that idealism is our vulnerability, the weakness inherent to our strength.

For centuries, the Christian faith has been a vehicle—one could almost say a superstructure—for our yearning to idealize and realize; it has not produced it. Priests did not build the Cathedrals in which they officiated (most churches were collective ventures of cities, towns and villages); the troubadours and poets who elaborated the sublime ideal of love which is our “civilization’s miracle” (Stendhal)[5]Stendhal, Love, Penguin Classics, 2000, p. 83., were not monks; Johann Sebastian Bach wrote Church music, but he was not an clergyman, and his Ave Maria would sound just as great if sung to Isis; many geniuses of our European pantheons, like Dante, Leonardo da Vinci or Galilee, were nominal Catholics by obligation, but secret lovers of Sophia (read “The Crucifixion of the Goddess”). The source of the artistic, scientific and cultural genius of the White race is not Christianity.

Kevin MacDonald makes a discreet but crucial point in his preface to Giles Corey’s The Sword of Christ when he writes that “the adaptive aspects of Christianity” are what “produced Western expansion, innovation, discovery, individual freedom, economic prosperity, and strong family bonds.”[6]Giles Corey, The Sword of Christ: Christianity from the Right, or The Christian Question, Independently published, 2020, p. xiii. This is true if by “the adaptive aspects of Christianity” we mean the aspects that are adopted and adapted from the ancient Greco-Roman-Germanic world, rather than from the Old and New Testament. Among the adaptive aspects of Christianity must be counted its various national colors. Russian Orthodoxy is good for Russia for the same reason that Confucianism is good for China: because it is a national Church, so that being a Russian Orthodox means being a patriot. The same could be said in the past about Lutheranism for Germany or, in a narrower context, Catholicism for Ireland. But these national versions of Christianity are, in fact, in opposition to its universal (katholikos) mission statement—and to papal Rome. Family values are also adaptive aspects of Christianity. Jesus disavowed his family (Matthew 12:46-50) and Paul taught that, “it is good for a man not to marry,” marriage being recommended only for those who cannot help fornicating (1 Corinthians 7). “Christian values” are not Christian at all, they are simply conservative. In fact, if we look at its popular expressions, Catholicism has been so adaptive that it can be said to be more pagan than Jewish. What’s Jewish about Christmas or Mother Mary?

The problem with Christianity is with its non-adaptive and now prominent Jewish aspects. It is not just the grotesque notion that Jews are chosen, but the even more grotesque character of the god who chose them. Paradoxically, with its anthropomorphic—or should we say Judeomorphic—image of God inherited from the Torah, Christianity has laid the foundation for modern atheism, and, perhaps, harmed Gentile ideality irremediably. Because the Old Testament God is “a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a […] capriciously malevolent bully,” Richard Dawkins decided to be an atheist, like the vast majority of scholars from Christian background.[7]Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Houghton Mifflin, 2006, p. 51. They have all, by their own admission, confused God with Yahweh, and fallen victim to the Big Biblical Lie. And because they cannot conceive God outside of the Biblical paradigm, they ban Intelligent Design from universities under the slanderous accusation that it is another name for the biblical God (watch the documentary Expelled: No Intelligent Allowed), whereas it is in fact a vindication of the Greek Sophia. The sociopathic Yahweh has ruined the reputation of God and led to modern Western godlessness.

And so the Big Jewish Lie begot the Big Atheist Lie—or shall we call it the Darwinian Lie? “Yahweh is God” and “God is dead” are opposed like the two sides of the same coin. Our materialistic civilization is in fact more Jewish than the Christianity it rejected, because materialism (the denial of any otherworld) is the metaphysical core of the Hebrew Bible (read “Israel as One Man”).

If Christianity could include, among its adaptive aspects, the rejection of the Old Testament’s Jealous God and the Big Lie of Jewish chosenness, then it would be redeemable. But Christians would rather sell their souls to the devil than become Marcionites. In two thousand years of existence, institutional Christianity has consistently evolved in the opposite direction, becoming more and more scriptural, Judaized, and Israel-centered: from Orthodoxy to Catholicism, and from Catholicism to Protestantism, the trend is unmistakable. What else can you expect from an institution that has always invited the Jews, and declared that they cease being Jews the moment they receive baptism?

And so Christianity is a dead end. It is now part of the problem, not the solution. It may have served us well for some centuries, but in the long run, it has been an instrument of Gentile enslavement to Jewish power. At least, it has not helped us to prevent it, and it cannot help us to overcome it. Many today ask: why are we so weak? It is high time to consider the obvious: having been taught for generations to worship and emulate the man nailed on the cross under Jewish pressure is not the best incentive to resist martyrdom. There is an obvious correlation between being told yesterday that it is moral to “love your enemies” and getting jailed today for “hate speech.”

I hold no personal grudge against Christianity. Catholicism is a part of my happiest childhood memories, and the sound of Church bells never fails to strike a deep chord in me. My grandparents on my mother’s side were Catholic bourgeois who raised a large and happy family with sound moral values. If I could see any hope in this social class, I would be a political Catholic like Balzac, or a romantic Catholic like Chateaubriand. But Catholic bourgeoisie is near extinct, having never recovered from Maréchal Petain’s demise. Their children called them fascists and their grandchildren are addicted to pornography. Catholicism has deserted the country too: there are no priests, and what good is a country priest anyway if he cannot bless the crops at Easter? Therefore, since I don’t believe that Jesus literally rose from his tomb, I consider that institutional Christianity has exhausted its potential for civilization in the West. Look at our pope, for Christ’s sake!

I speak as a Frenchman, but I doubt that American Catholicism has much more Holy Spirit left. It died in Dallas with Arlen Specter’s magic bullet. Of course, there are brave Catholics like E. Michael Jones, who has captured the evil genius of the Jewish race in his indispensable book on The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. But Professor Jones is the exception that proves the rule. And I am not even talking of American Protestantism, today a mercenary force for Zion.

Jews in Rome Before the Jewish Wars

Long before it was repackaged for the Gentiles, the Big Lie was a Jewish self-delusion. As I have detailed at the end of my long article “Zionism, Crypto-Judaism and the Biblical Hoax,” in the sixth and the fifth century BC in Babylon, a priestly elite from Jerusalem decided that Yahweh, the national god of Israel, although apparently vanquished, was in fact the only real god, and, by way of consequence, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. A laughable claim, but when the Persians conquered Babylon, those Jews, who found themselves in a favorable position after helping the Persians, set out to pretend that their theoclastic monotheism, based on the exclusion of all other gods, was identical to the tolerant monotheism of the Persians; in other words, that their tribal god Yahweh was Ahura Mazda, the God of Heaven. I have shown that the deception is clearly apparent in the Books of Ezra and Nehemiah, where only Persians are portrayed as believing that Yahweh is “the God of Heaven,” while for the Israelites he is just “the god of Israel.”

What the priestly Jews achieved in Babylon in the fifth century BC was a preliminary stage for what another generation of the same priestly cast would start planning in the first century AD in Rome, after having been brought there in similar conditions of captivity. While Yahweh seemed again vanquished, he set out to conquer his victor from within. The conspiracy of Babylon’s Jews to fool the Persians with their phony monotheism was the blueprint for the more sophisticated conspiracy of Rome’s Jews to fool the Romans with Christianity.

Between those two stages, Jews seem to have convinced a portion of the Roman aristocracy that they were the first true monotheists, the worshipers of the true God. For Greeks and Romans, the supreme Creator was a philosophical concept, while religious cults were polytheistic by definition. That’s why, around 315 BC, the Aristotelian Theophrastus of Eresus thought of the Jews as “philosophers by birth,” although he was troubled by their primitive holocausts. Some Jewish writers (Aristobulus of Paneas, Artapanos of Alexandria, or even Philo of Alexandria) had even succeeded in bluffing some Greeks with the wild claim that Homer, Hesiod, Pythagoras, Socrates and Plato had been inspired by Moses.[8]Joseph Mélèze Modrzejewski, The Jews of Egypt, From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian, Princeton University Press, 1995, pp. 48-49, 66.

Jews are mentioned in Rome as early as the second century BC. It has been surmised that they were mostly converted Phoenicians. Martin Bernal defends that thesis in Jews and Phoenicians,” with the argument that “there is no evidence of Jews in the West Mediterranean before the destruction of Carthage [146 BC],” but “after that date, they were widely reported there,” while Phoenicians faded from the pages of history. Phoenicians and Jews’ languages and cultures were virtually identical.[9]Martin Bernal, Geography of a Life, chap. 45, “Jews and Phoenicians,” pp. 386-394. Peter Myers brings additional light in his well-sourced article “Carthaginians, Phoenicians & Berbers became Jews”, arguing that, “After the destruction of Carthage by Rome, many Carthaginians and Phoenicians converted to Judaism, because Jerusalem was the only remaining centre of West Semitic civilization.” The Encyclopedia Judaica’s article on Carthage, quoted by Myers, supports that hypothesis, adding that the Phoenicians, by converting to Judaism after their political decline, “preserved their Semitic identity and were not assimilated by the Roman-Hellenistic culture which they hated.” This theory, which also explains the mysterious origin of the Sephardim in Spain—a Carthaginian colony—, is of obvious importance to comprehend the attitude of Jews towards the Roman Empire, destroyer of the Phoenician civilization.

Flavius Josephus highlights the ancient affinity between Phoenicians and Jews
Flavius Josephus highlights the ancient affinity between Phoenicians and Jews

In 63 BC, Rome’s Jewish community was enlarged with thousands of captives brought back from Judea by Pompey, and progressively freed (Philo of Alexandria, Legatio ad Caium, 156). It is believed that Julius Cesar introduced legislation to guarantee their religious liberty, and that the law was confirmed by Augustus, who also exempted them from military service. Emperor Claudius (41-54 AD) is said to have expelled the Jews from Rome (Suetonius, Claudius xv, 4; Acts 18:2), or at least forbidden them to congregate (Cassius Dio lx, 6). But they seem to have known favorable times under Nero (54-68), whose wife Poppaea Sabina is regarded as an Esther-type secret Jewess in Jewish tradition, because Jewish historian Flavius Josephus calls her “a God-worshipper” (Antiquities of the Jews, xx, 195) and mentions her support for the release of Jewish priests prosecuted in Rome (Vita 16).[10]Nahum Goldmann, Le Paradoxe juif. Conversations en français avec Léon Abramowicz, Stock, 1976, p. 36; Heinrich Graetz, Histoire des Juifs, A. Lévy, 1882 (on fr.wikisource.org), tome I, p. 413-428.

The Foundation of the Roman Church Under the Flavian dynasty

In 70, newly proclaimed emperor Vespasian and his son Titus brought to Rome about 97,000 Jewish captives (Josephus, Jewish War vi, 9), as well as members of the Jewish nobility rewarded for their support in the war in Judea—Josephus being the most famous of them. Soon after, as Josephus started working on his Antiquities of the Jews in 20 volumes, we are told that the Gospels were written.[11]The earliest gospel, the Gospel of Mark, is commonly dated in the late 60s, but that date is much too early, especially since it mentions the destruction of the Temple. In the same period, according to standard Church history, we already have in Rome a Christian church, headed by a certain Clement of Rome (88-99). Clement must have been an educated Jew like Josephus, because his only genuine epistle is characterized by numerous Hebraisms, abundant references to the Old Testament, and a Levitical mindset. An ancient and credible tradition makes him a freedman of consul Titus Flavius Clemens, a cousin of the Flavian emperors. We learn from Cassius Dio that Flavius Clemens was executed by Domitian, brother and successor of Titus, for “atheism” and “deviation toward Judaic customs.” His wife Flavia Domitilla was banished to the island of Pandateria (Ventotene). Over time, Flavius Clemens came to be regarded as a Christian martyr, and this gave rise to the idea of Domitian’s persecution of Christians. But historians now dismiss this notion (there is no clearly attested persecution of Christians prior to the middle of the third century),[12]Tacitus wrote in the Annals (xv, 44) that Nero accused Christians of starting the great fire of Rome in 64, and had many of them “thrown to the beasts, crucified, and burned alive.” But this is the only attestation of that story, and some modern scholars have cast doubt on its credibility: Richard Carrier sees it as a later Christian interpolation, and Brent Shaw argues that Nero’s persecution is a myth (Wikipedia.). There is one other mention of persecution against Christians before the third century, in a letter written to Trajan by Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia (north of Asia Minor). But this letter is of dubious authenticity as well, belonging to a book of 121 letters found in the sixteenth century, copied, and lost again. and assume that Flavius Clemens and Flavia Domitilla were simply accused of Judaizing, and the former perhaps of circumcising himself.[13]Paul Mattei, Le Christianisme antique: De Jésus à Constantin, Armand Colin, 2011, p. 119. One of Domitian’s assassins in 96 was a steward of Domitilla named Stephanus, which may suggests a Jewish vengeance.

The attitude of the Flavians towards the Jews was apparently twofold. On the one hand, they seemed determined to do away with the Jewish religion, which they saw, correctly, as the source of Jewish separatism. Not content with having destroyed the Jewish temple in Jerusalem, Vespasian also ordered the destruction of the one in Leontopolis, Egypt. In general, the Romans used to integrate the vanquished gods with a ceremony of evocatio deorum, by which the god was granted a sanctuary in Rome. But the god Yahweh was considered inassimilable, which is why his objects of worship were treated as mere booty, according to Emily Schmidt: “The treatment of the Jewish god can be seen as an inversion of the typical Roman treatment of or attitude towards foreign gods, perhaps as an anti-evocatio.”[14]Emily A. Schmidt, “The Flavian Triumph and the Arch of Titus: The Jewish God in Flavian Rome,” UC Santa Barbara: Ancient Borderlands Research Focus Group, 2010, retrieved from https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9xw0k5kh

On the other hand, Josephus’ biography shows that Vespasian and Titus were not just merciful, but even grateful to the Jews who had rallied to them in Judea. There is no contradiction between those two aspects of the Flavians’ Jewish policy: they repressed Jewish separatism and forbade Jewish proselytizing but encouraged Jewish assimilation. Assimilationist Jews abandoned circumcision and had no objection to the syncretic assimilation of Yahweh with Zeus or Jupiter. The same basic twofold policy was followed by the Flavians’ successors Trajan (98-117) and Hadrian (117-138).[15]Trajan is said to have had a pro-Jewish wife, Pompeia Plotina, and he once sentenced to death a Greek dignitary named Hermaiskos for having complained that the emperor’s entourage was “full of impious Jews.” (Joseph Mélèze Modrzejewski, The Jews of Egypt – From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian, Princeton University Press, 1997, p. 193-196). But Hadrian is credited for having banned circumcision, and, when faced in 132 with a new anti-Roman Jewish uprising in Judea, led by Simon bar Kokhba, he destroyed Jerusalem once more, converted it into a Greek city named Aelia Capitolina, and forbade Jews to enter it.

From these basic facts, and keeping in mind the pattern set by Ezra’s priestly circle in Babylon, it is not difficult to imagine what was going on in Rome in the first century. The theory I’m going to discuss now goes like this: the cornerstone of the Roman Catholic Church was first laid by a secret brotherhood of priestly Jews, who had been brought to Rome by Vespasian and Titus in the aftermath of the Jewish War that destroyed their Temple in 70 AD. Some had gained Vespasian’s favor and protection by handing him the fabulous Temple treasure that made possible his ascension to the imperial throne. Flavius Josephus, who had defected to the Romans in Galilee and was rewarded beyond measure by Vespasian, may have been an influential member of that Jewish circle. Those powerful, wealthy and self-conscious Jews, using assimilation for dissimulation, had the motive, the means and the opportunity to fabricate the syncretic religion that could serve as their Trojan horse.

I borrow this theory from Flavio Barbiero’s book The Secret Society of Moses: The Mosaic Bloodline and a Conspiracy Spanning Three Millennia (2010). The author is not a trained historian, but a scientist with a sharp inquisitive and logical mind combined with a great imagination and a taste for sweeping theories. There is a great deal of speculation in the grand story he unfolds, from Moses to modern times, but it is insightful and consistent. At least it is a good starting point for trying to answer the question of how the Jews created Christianity.

According to that thesis, these priestly Jews brought to Rome by Vespasian and Titus had come to terms with the ruin of their nation and Temple, but they had not given up on their biblical program of Jewish supremacy; they simply reinterpreted it from their new vantage point inside the Empire’s capital. Still jealous of their birth and strictly endogamous, they retained and passed on to their progeny a sense of mission to pave for Israel a new road towards its destiny. Can we not even assume that, under their apparent loyalty to the Emperor, they shared the same hatred of Rome that inspired first-century Jewish texts like the Apocalypses of Ezra and of Baruch? In Ezra, the roar of the Lion of Judah makes the Roman eagle bursts into flame, and a reunited and free Israel is gathered in Palestine. In Baruch, the Messiah routs and destroys the Roman armies, then brings the Roman emperor in chains to Mount Zion and puts him to death.[16]Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium, Essential Books, 1957, p. 4. The same hatred of Rome permeates the Book of Revelation, where Rome, under the thin veil of Babylon, is called the Great Harlot, whose flesh will be consumed by God’s wrath, to make way for a brand new Jerusalem.

Let us consider, as a working hypothesis, that these Jewish priests had a plan. They adopted the network strategy that had allowed their distant ancestors to infiltrate the Persian court and thereby regain their lost power under the patronage of Ezra. Their goal, according to Flavio Barbiero, was “taking possession of the newborn Christian religion and transforming it into a solid power basis for the priestly family” (p. 146). There existed already a cult of Christ, attested by Paul’s epistles written in the 50s, but the Gospels gave it a completely different orientation in the decades following the destruction of the Temple. The Law-abiding Peter, presented as the head of the Jerusalem Church by the Gospel of Matthew, was made the founder of the Roman papacy in the literature attributed to Clement of Rome, thus establishing a spiritual bond between Rome and Jerusalem.

To get a better understanding of the Jewish community that elaborated these traditions, we must take a closer look at the first Jewish War. In 67, emperor Nero sent his army commander Vespasian to crush the rebellion of the priestly Sadducees who had defied Roman power by banning from the Temple the daily sacrifices offered in the name and at the expense of the Emperor. When, after Nero’s death, Vespasian was declared emperor in December 69, his son Titus was left in Judea to finish putting down the rebellion. In Book vi of Josephus’ Jewish War, we learn that, from the early stage of Titus’ siege of Jerusalem, many Jews went over to the Romans, including “heads of the priestly families.” Titus “not only received these men very kindly in other respects, but […] told them, that when he was gotten clear of this war, he would restore each of them to their possessions again.” Until the last days of the siege, Josephus informs us, some priests obtained safe conduct under the condition that they handed to Titus some of the Temple’s wealth. One, named Jesus, delivered “two candlesticks similar to those that were deposited in the Temple, some tables, some drinking chalices and cups, all of solid gold. He also handed over the curtains [those that were torn as Jesus expired according to Matthew 27:51], the robes of the high priest, with the precious stones and many other objects used for sacrifices.” Another, named Phineas, introduced by Josephus as “the guardian of the Temple treasure,” handed over “the priests’ tunics and belts, a large quantity of purple and scarlet cloth […] and a large quantity of the sacred ornaments, thanks to which, even if he was a prisoner of war, he obtained the amnesty reserved for deserters.”

Those priests obviously bargained their lives and their freedom with parts of the Temple treasure. The Temple was not just a religious sanctuary, it was, in a real sense, a central bank and a giant vault, harboring enormous quantities of gold, silver, and precious artifacts financed by tithes from around the world. One of the purposes of the Temple, we could say, was to satisfy Yahweh’s greed: “I shall fill this Temple with glory, says Yahweh Sabaoth. Mine is the silver, mine the gold!” (Haggai 2:7).[17]According to 1Kings 10:14, the amount of gold hoarded each year into Salomon’s temple was “666 talents of gold” (1 talent = 30kg). Salomon’s treasure may be legendary, but it illustrates what the Jerusalem Temple still meant for the priests of the first century AD. According to the Copper Scroll found near the Dead Sea in 1952, the Temple treasure, amounting to tons of gold, silver, and precious items, had been hidden during the siege in 64 locations.[18]Because the Copper Scroll is part of the so-called Dead Sea Scrolls, which have been wrongly assigned an Essenian origin for decades, its content was long considered fictional. The revision of this misguided theory, pioneered by Norman Golb in Who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls?: The search for the secret of Qumran, Scribner, 1995, has corrected that bias. So it is logical to assume, as Barbiero does, that Titus and Vespasian were only able to get their hands on it with the help of high-ranking priests.

This huge booty, of which the symbolic centerpiece was the enormous menorah depicted on the Arch of Titus (opening picture), certainly helped Vespasian to earn the acclamation of his troops as emperor, and then to convince the Senate. The construction of the Coliseum, between 70 and 80, was entirely financed by this booty.

Flavius Josephus and Christianity

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Barbiero makes the plausible assumption that Josephus had contributed his share of the Temple treasure to Vespasian. Since Josephus plays a big role in Barbiero’s theory, let us first outline what we know about him. Born Yosef ben Matityahu, he was from the first of the twenty-four priestly classes by his father, according to his autobiography. He also tells us that, in his mid twenties, he had spent more than two years in Rome to negotiate with Emperor Nero for the release of some Jewish priests who were prosecuted, probably for tax evasion (Vita 16). In 67, aged thirty, he served as a commander in the Jewish army, then defected to the Roman side the same year. He then served as a translator for Titus and Vespasian, and was able to save the lives of two hundred and fifty members of his priestly circle. When Vespasian became emperor in 69, he granted Josephus his freedom, at which time Josephus assumed the emperor’s family name. Back in Rome, Vespasian lodged him in his own villa (having built for himself a luxurious palace), and granted him a salary for life from the state treasury, as well as a huge estate in Judea. Josephus devoted the rest of his life to writing books celebrating Jewish history, his last book, Against Apion, being a defense of Judaism. Until his death at the turn of the century, he was a prominent member of the Jewish community in Rome, which comprised many other priests.

In Book iv of the Jewish War, Josephus recounts how, after his capture in Galilee, he was brought to Vespasian, and convinced the general to hear him in private. Vespasian consented and asked every one to withdraw, save Titus and two of their friends. Then Josephus delivered to Vespasian a “prophecy” from God, that Nero would soon die and Vespasian rise to imperial power. Vespasian kept Josephus with him and rewarded him for his prophecy when it came true. That particular story lacks the credibility that generally characterizes Josephus’ book. Flavio Barbiero therefore assumes that it should be understood as an embarrassed euphemism: in reality, Josephus provided Vespasian not with a prediction of his becoming emperor, but with the means for becoming emperor. That means was the Temple treasure.

Josephus Flavius was the first of the Jewish priests to fall into the hands of the Romans, and he was the one who obtained the greatest favors. Seeing that he not only belonged to the first of the priestly families, but also occupied a very high position of responsibility in Israel, as governor of Galilee, and that he had a profound knowledge of the desert of Judah, where he had spent three years of his youth, it is legitimate to believe that he knew about the operations to hide the treasure and was perfectly capable of finding the hiding places. During his private audience with Vespasian immediately after his capture, Josephus must have negotiated his own safety and future prosperity in exchange for the Temple treasure. The proposal would have been irresistible for the penniless Roman general, who thus saw the possibility of securing the necessary means for his ascent to imperial power. On that occasion, the two of them probably made a pact, which was to change the destinies of the world.[19]Flavio Barbiero, The Secret Society of Moses: The Mosaic Bloodline and a Conspiracy Spanning Three Millennia, Inner Traditions, 2010, p. 111.

This, rather than some “prophecy”, can explain the extraordinary favor that Josephus received from Vespasian, which, Josephus admits, stirred much jealousy among the Roman aristocracy.

Nevertheless, there is some significance in Josephus’ prophecy that Barbiero misses. It is a reversal of the messianic expectation that had stirred the Jewish uprising against Rome. As Josephus writes in The Jewish War (vi, 5), “the thing that most moved the people to revolt against Rome was an ambiguous prophecy from their Scripture that ‘one from their country should rule the entire world.’” The Jews were deceived in their interpretation of this prophecy, Josephus writes, because it applied in reality to Vespasian, “who was appointed emperor in Judea.” But by turning Jewish messianic prophecy on its head, was Josephus giving up on the destiny of the Jews to rule the world, or was he elaborating a Plan B, one that relied on using the strength of the Roman Empire rather than opposing it? In other words, by recognizing Vespasian as the Messiah, was he not thinking of turning Rome into the long-term instrument of Jewish messianism?

Perhaps he was even thinking already of the rebuilding of Jerusalem. We know that early Jewish Christians did. Two generations after Josephus, Justin Martyr (died 165), born in Samaria and most probably Jewish, but preaching in Rome, wrote in his Dialogue with Trypho that he answered affirmatively the question: “Do you Christians really maintain that this place, Jerusalem, will be built up again, and do you really believe that your people will assemble here in joy, under Christ…?”[20]Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium, Essential Books, 1957, p. 10.

Barbiero suggests that Josephus was intimately connected to the Jewish founding fathers of Roman Christianity. This hypothesis derives from Josephus’ own writings, which contain three indirect references to Christianity. Book xviii, chapter 3 of the Antiquities includes the famous passage about Jesus, “a wise man” and “a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure,” who was condemned to the cross by Pilate. “And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” The authenticity of this Testimonium Flavianum is debated, but the dominant scholarly opinion is that it is a genuine passage with Christian interpolations. In xviii, 5, Josephus speaks with great admiration about “John, who was called the Baptist,” underlining his great popularity and condemning Herod Antipas for his murder. This is considered a genuine passage. In xx, 9, Josephus expresses the same sympathy for James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ,” and presents him as a respected figure in Pharisaic circles: when he was stoned to death by order of the high priest Anan, it provoked the indignation of all those zealous for the Law, and ultimately the end of Anan’s career. This is also considered a genuine passage, with only the reference to Jesus being called Christ a Christian insertion.

Barbiero’s thesis of Josephus’ involvement with Christianity is plausible. If we accept the consensus that the Roman Church was already organized in the 90s, with a bishop of Jewish priestly blood, then it is unconceivable that Josephus could have been unaware of it. Being aware of it, he could either be hostile or supportive of it. If furthermore we accept the consensus regarding Josephus’ positive references to Jesus, to his forerunner John the Baptist, and to his brother James, we must conclude that Josephus was supportive of the early Christian Church. Was he secretly a Christian?

The question brings to mind another Joseph, a mysterious character present in all four canonical Gospels: Joseph of Arimathea, who assumed responsibility for the burial of Jesus after his crucifixion. He is described as “a prominent member of the Sanhedrin” (Mark 15:43), “a good and upright man” who “had not consented to what the others had planned and carried out” (Luke 23:51), and “who was a disciple of Jesus—though a secret one because he was afraid of the Jews” (John 19:38), and sufficiently connected to Pilate to get his permission to take the body of Jesus from the cross, and bury him in his private tomb. The reason I mention Joseph of Arimathea here is to suggest—this is my contribution to Barbiero’s theory—that he might have been invented as a symbolic alter ego of Flavius Josephus.

That being said, Barbiero perhaps overrates the authenticity of Josephus’ references to Jesus, John the Baptist and James. The question remains unsettled. I find the whole Testimonium Flavianum entirely, and not just partially suspicious. It figures in all Greek manuscripts, but could have been added in the second or third century. I’ll get back to this problem.

The Mystery Cult of Mithras

To explain how a secret brotherhood of priestly Jews could ultimately convert the Empire to the cult of a Jewish messiah, Barbiero puts forward another bold theory, based on the intimate connection between Christianity and Mithraism.

The cult of Mithras, associated to Sol Invictus, experienced its rapid development in Rome at the time of Domitian. As Barbiero explains, it “was not a religion, but an esoteric association reserved exclusively for men. All the participants were priests, at least from the fourth level up, and among them, there were differences only of hierarchy determined by the level of initiation” (p. 164). Most mithraea were underground crypts, and many are now found under churches. “Both the written sources and the archaeological testimonies demonstrate that from Domitian on, Rome always remained the most important center of this organization, which had become deeply rooted at the very heart of the imperial administration both in the palace and among the Praetorian Guard” (p. 160).

Mithras slaughtering the bull, c. 150 AD
Mithras slaughtering the bull, c. 150 AD

Tertullian and other Christian authors note the parallels between Mithraism and Christianity and attribute them to imitatio diabolica: Mithras is said to be a demon who imitated the Christian sacraments to lead men astray. Historians generally agree that the imitation proceeded in the opposite direction.

The parallels should not be overstated. For instance, the fact that both Mithras and Jesus were born at the winter solstice is hardly significant since that is a late development in the case of Christianity (it has no basis in the Gospels), and applies to many other divinities. But there are many other similarities, such as the Mithraic ceremony “during which they consumed consecrated bread and wine in memory of the last supper of Mithras” (p. 162).

The Mithraic organization was presided over by a supreme head known as the pater partum [shortened as papa], who governed from a grotto on the Vatican hill in Rome, where Constantine had the basilica of St. Peter built in 322. This cave of the Vatican (the so-called Phrygianum, which is still situated at the foot of the present basilica) remained the central seat of the cult of Mithras until the death of the last pater patrum, the senator Vectius Agorius Praetextatus, in AD 384. Immediately afterward, the cult of Mithras was officially abolished and the cave was occupied by Syricius (the successor of the bishop of Rome, Damasus), who adopted the name of the head of the Mithraic sect, pater patrum, or pope, for the first time in the history of the church. He also adopted the same clothing and sat on the same chair, which became the throne of St. Peter in Rome. Mithraic designs were—and still are—engraved on this throne. Sol Invictus Mithras, who, according to historians, had the belief of the majority in the Roman senate, in the army, and in the public administration, vanished almost immediately, without any killing, persecution, exile, or forced abjuration. Overnight, the Roman senate, stronghold of the cult of Mithras, discovered that it was totally Christian. […] The seat, the robes, the title, and the prerogatives of the pater patrum were not the only things that passed from the cult of Mithras to the church. Besides the similarities in doctrines and rituals, we find in Christian churches the stone table in front of the apse—the altar where the disc of the sun was exhibited in the mithraea. We also find the stole, the bishop’s headpiece (still called a mitre), the robes, the colors, the use of incense, the aspergillum, the candles lit in front of the altar, the genuflexions, and not least of all, the most representative object that dominates the Christian rite: the exhibition of the Host, which is contained in a disc from which the sun radiates, the monstrance. (pp. 162-164)

The cult of Mithras, notes Barbiero, “prospered almost in symbiosis with Christianity—to the point that Christian churches very often rise above or next to places of Mithraic worship. This is the case, for example, with the basilicas of St. Clement, St. Stephen Rotundus, St. Prisca, and so on, which sprang up over grottos dedicated to the worship of Sol Invictus” (p. 32).

Barbiero concludes that Mithraism and Christianity “were not two religions in competition, as we often read, but were two institutions of a different nature that were closely connected,” or “two sides of the same coin.” (p. 163). He gathers that the initiatory cult of Mithras had been transformed under the Flavians into a kind of freemasonry, which promoted Christianity as an exoteric religion for the people.

But obviously Christianity does not derive entirely from Mithraism: it has Jewish roots. How did Mithraism mix with Judaism? This Barbiero explains with the hypothesis that, under the Flavians, the priestly Jews entered the Mithraic priesthood in a concerted strategy to take it over and Judaize it—just like they would do with Freemasonry centuries later. From the time of Domitian, the followers of Mithraism “were freedmen of the imperial family of the Flavians—and consequently, in all likelihood, Romanized Jews” (p. 159). “Sol Invictus Mithras was the cover behind which hid the secret esoteric organization re-created in Rome by the Mosaic priestly family that had escaped the massacre in Jerusalem” (p. 173). I am not convinced here. The hypothesis of the takeover of Mithraism by Jewish priests is a weak link in Barbiero’s chain of hypotheses. Mithraism is clearly not a Jewish cult, and the thesis of its subversion by Jewish priests in the first century AD rests on very little evidence.

However, a closer look at the Eastern origin of Mithraism may enlighten us. Plutarch explains (Parallel Lives xxiv, 7) that the cult of Mithras was first brought from Asia Minor after Pompey defeated Mithridates VI, king of Pontus, who, although of Persian origin, ruled over Anatolia. Mithras is a Phrygian god—hence his Phrygian hat—, and Mithridates means “gift of Mithras.” Roman historian Appian of Alexandria, in The Foreign Wars, describes the third Mithridatic war as a world war, and says that “in the end it brought the greatest gain to the Romans; for it pushed the boundaries of their dominion from the setting of the sun to the river Euphrates.”[21]Cyril Glassé, Mithraism, the Virus that Destroyed Rome, Revelation , 2016. While searching for more information on Mithraism, I came across a book by Cyril Glassé titled in Mithraism, the Virus that Destroyed Rome (2016). Although the book is of unscholarly quality, its central insight is worth considering:

The religion of Mithraism was a Trojan Horse left behind on the beach by Mithridates VI of Pontus as a poison for the Romans to be taken with a bowl of cherries. […] Mithraism was a cult of himself designed to subvert and destroy Rome. That cult has left its mark on Western Civilization.

According to Glassé, the sacrifice of the bull, or Taurobolium, which is represented on countless reliefs, was a cryptic call for vengeance against Rome: the bull represents Rome, while Mithras is Mithridates , This theory is strikingly similar to Barbiero’s, only with Phrygians instead of Judeans as the conspirators against Rome. Glassé’s thesis is also just as unsubstantiated as Barbiero’s, but both can reinforce each other if we remember that Phrygians and Judeans had been vanquished by Pompey during the same military campaign in 63 BC, that there were many Jews in Mithridates’ kingdom, and that many captives of both nations were brought together to Rome in the first century BC. They shared a common fate and, perhaps, a common aspiration for revenge.

I can’t think of a particular reason why the bull would symbolize Rome for the Jewish captives of Pompey, but I came across an interesting detail that could explain why it could symbolize Rome for the Jewish captives of Vespasian: the Roman Legio X Fretensis, who was centrally involved during the Jewish war—from the attack of Judea in 66 to the capture of Masada in 72, through the siege of Jerusalem leading to the destruction of the Temple in 70—, had the bull as its symbol.

The banner of the Legio X Fretensis, and a golden aureus in its honor
The banner of the Legio X Fretensis, and a golden aureus in its honor

Barbiero is leading up to the notion that Jews not only imposed a Jewish religion to the Empire, but actually took over its leadership when the emperor was replaced by the pope:

The goal of the strategy was the complete substitution of the ruling class of the Roman Empire with the descendants of the priestly family that had survived the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. This result was achieved in less than three centuries, by which time all the ancient religions had been eliminated and substituted with Christianity, and the primitive Roman nobility had been virtually annihilated and replaced by members of the family of priestly origin that had accumulated all the power and wealth of the Empire. (p. 184)

This thesis is the groundwork for the last two parts of Barbiero’s book, on “The Judeo-Christian Roots of European Aristocracy,” and on the “the Mosaic Origins of Modern Secret Societies.” These parts, although quite speculative, are rife with informative tidbits and fresh insights into those mysterious and fascinating subjects. The first part about Moses’ bloodline is also original and well argued, but not directly relevant to the issue discussed here.

The Jesus Question: How fake is the Good News?

I regard Barbiero’s book as a fruitful attempt to solve the mystery of how the Jews created Christianity and made it the Roman religion. But it certainly doesn’t give the full story. Much happened in the next three centuries that needs to be clarified. One important context, which is seldom considered, is the “Crisis of the Third Century” (235-284), during which “the Roman Empire nearly collapsed under the combined pressures of barbarian invasions and migrations into the Roman territory, civil wars, peasant rebellions, political instability” (Wikipedia), but also cataclysmic events and widespread diseases such as the Plague of Cyprian (c. 249-262), that was said to kill up to 5,000 people a day in Rome.[22]Kyle Harper, The Fate of Rome: Climate, Disease, and the End of an Empire, Princeton UP, 2017. In such a context, the apocalyptic flavor of early Christianity must have been a key factor of its success. Interestingly, the apocalyptic Book of Revelation, the latest included into the Christian canon, is considered by some scholars to be a Christianized edition of a Jewish apocalypse, because, except for its prologue and epilogue (from 4:1 to 22:15), it contains no recognizable Christian motif.[23]See for example James Charlesworth, Jesus within Judaism, SPCK, 1989.

There are also two important building blocks of Christianity that Barbiero’s focus on Roman Mithraism leaves out: the Gospels’ life of Jesus, and Paul’s mystical Christ. How did they originate, and how were they integrated? The connection between them is one of the most difficult problems concerning the birth of Christianity. For, as Earl Doherty writes in The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity begin with a mythical Christ (1999), a book that has sent a shockwave in Jesus scholarship (here quoted from this 600-page pdf): “Not once does Paul or any other first century epistle writer identify their divine Christ Jesus with the recent historical man known from the Gospels. Nor do they attribute the ethical teachings they put forward to such a man.” Christ is simply for Paul a celestial deity who has endured an ordeal of incarnation, death, burial and resurrection, and who communicates to his devotees through dreams, visions and prophecies. Such gnostic Christology has roots in mystery religions long predating Jesus. It is difficult to explain how a human Jesus could be transformed into such a divine Christ in a few decades, during the lifetime of those who knew him.

The first difficulty is that the vast majority of the earliest Christians were, of course, Jews. ‘God is One,’ says the most fundamental of Jewish theological tenets. Moreover, the Jewish mind had an obsession against associating anything human with God. He could not be represented by even the suggestion of a human image, and Jews in their thousands had bared their necks before Pilate’s swords simply to protest against the mounting of military standards bearing Caesar’s image within sight of the Temple. The idea that a man was a literal part of God would have been met by any Jew with horror and apoplexy.

And yet we are to believe that Jews were immediately led to elevate Jesus of Nazareth to divine levels unprecedented in the entire history of human religion. We are to believe not only that they identified a crucified criminal with the ancient God of Abraham, but that they went about the empire and practically overnight converted huge numbers of other Jews to the same outrageous—and thoroughly blasphemous—proposition. Within a handful of years of Jesus’ supposed death, we know of Christian communities in many major cities of the empire, all presumably having accepted that a man they had never met, crucified as a political rebel on a hill outside Jerusalem, had risen from the dead and was in fact the pre-existent Son of God, creator, sustainer, and redeemer of the world. / Since many of the Christian communities Paul worked in existed before he got there, and since Paul’s letters do not support the picture Acts paints of intense missionary activity on the part of the Jerusalem group around Peter and James, history does not record who performed this astounding feat.[24]Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle: Was There no Historical Jesus? on this 600-page pdf, pp. 33 and 16.

The simplest way to overcome this difficulty is to assume that the transformation of the human Jesus into the cosmic Christ (or the other way round, as Doherty suggests) didn’t happen spontaneously, but was engineered by connecting several elements, with the aim of fabricating a Judeo-Hellenistic syncretic religion.

Paul’s letters were first collected in the first half of the second century by Marcion of Sinope who also included in his canon a short evangelion (he was the first to use the term), but rejected the Jewish Tanakh. Around 208, Tertullian, a Carthaginian of probable Jewish origin, complained that “the heretical tradition of Marcion filled the universe” (Against Marcion v, 19). He also tells us that, during the time of Marcion, another Gnostic teacher named Valentinus almost became bishop of Rome. In the third century AD appeared the Persian Mani, who called himself “apostle of Jesus Christ,” but rejected any Jewish influence. Manicheans became the label pinned by the Catholic Church on all the Gnostic movements that came from the East, such as the Paulicians from Anatolia in the eighth century, or the Bogomils from Bulgaria in the ninth century, the ancestors of the Cathars who were eradicated from the south of France in the early thirteenth century. All these movements, which can be seen as successive waves of the same movement, venerated Paul and rejected the Torah, whose god they regarded either as an evil demiurge, a deceptive demon, or a malicious fiction.

In the fourth century, Gnostic Christianity was still alive and flourishing. The monastic library of the Egyptian Brotherhood of Saint Pachomius, the first known Christian monastery, contained a great wealth of Gnostic literature (including the Gospel of Thomas), amid Platonic, Hermetic, and Zoroastrian books. As New Testament scholar Robert Price tells in his fascinating book Deconstructing Jesus (2000):

Apparently when the monks received the Easter Letter from Athanasius in 367 C.E., which contains the first known listing of the canonical twenty-seven New Testament books, warning the faithful to read no others, the brethren must have decided to hide their cherished “heretical” gospels, lest they fall into the hands of the ecclesiastical book burners.[25]Robert Price, Deconstructing Jesus, Prometheus Book, 2000, archive.org, pp. 44-45.

All these codices were hidden in a graveyard at Nag Hammadi, where they were discovered in 1945, revolutionizing our image of early Christianity. Scholars have since started to question the traditional view of Gnostics as dissenters who broke away from the Orthodox Church; rather, the Gnostics who never ceased claiming that Roman Catholics were corrupting the Gospel under Jewish influence, may have been right all along.

As I started delving into these questions, I discovered that a new school of New Testament exegesis, pioneered by Earl Doherty’s Jesus Puzzle, claims that Christianity was born in myth, not in history. I had always assumed that Jesus’ biography was too historically plausible to be a fiction. In my thirties, I had become fascinated by the quest for the historical Jesus and wrote a book on the “legendary” relationship between Jesus and John the Baptist, which argued that the Gospel writers falsified the genuine prophecies of John, and forged spurious praises of Jesus by John, and that much of the sayings attributed to Jesus (from the hypothetical Q document) were originally attributed to John.[26]Recent scholars arguing along those lines include Karl H. Kraeling, John the Baptist, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1951; Charles H. H. Scobie, John the Baptist, Fortress Press, 1964; W. Barnes Tatum, John the Baptist and Jesus: A Report of the Jesus Seminar, Polebridge Press, 1994; Joan Taylor, The Immerser: John the Baptist within Second Temple Judaism, Wm B. Eerdmans, 1996; Robert L. Webb, John the Baptizer and Prophet: A Socio-Historical Study, Sheffield Academic Press, 1991; Walter Wink, John the Baptist in the Gospel Tradition, Cambridge UP, 1968. Nevertheless, I didn’t doubt the historicity of Jesus. But my recent journey into the “Christ Myth” theory has convinced me that the historical Jesus is more elusive than I thought. The Gospels, for one thing, are not as old as generally admitted (between the 70s and the 90s), for, as Doherty points out:

Only in Justin Martyr, writing in the 150s, do we find the first identifiable quotations from some of the Gospels, though he calls them simply “memoirs of the Apostles,” with no names. And those quotations usually do not agree with the texts of the canonical versions we now have, showing that such documents were still undergoing evolution and revision.[27]Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle, op. cit., p. 52 .

A late second-century date for the first narrative about Jesus is consistent with the hypothesis—that goes contrary to Barbiero’s theory—that Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews originally contained a reference to John the Baptist and one to James the Just, but no reference to Jesus, who was later inserted between the two so that John could be presented as Jesus’ precursor and James as his brother and heir. There is much evidence that James, like John the Baptist before him, was a famous figure in his own right. According to biblical scholar Robert Eisenman, author of James, the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls, James is identical to “the Teacher of Righteousness” mentioned in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which have been dated too early. Strangely,

the person of James is almost diametrically opposed to the Jesus of Scripture and our ordinary understanding of him. Whereas the Jesus of Scripture is anti-nationalist, cosmopolitan, antinomian—that is, against the direct application of Jewish Law—and accepting foreigners and other persons of perceived impurities, the Historical James will turn out to be zealous for the Law, and rejecting of foreigners and polluted persons generally.

His death by stoning in 62 “was connected in popular imagination with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE in a way that Jesus’ some four decades before could not have been.”

Variant manuscripts of the works of Josephus, reported by Church fathers like Origen, Eusebius and Jerome, all of whom at one time or another spent time in Palestine, contain materials associating the fall of Jerusalem with the death of James—not with the death of Jesus. Their shrill protests, particularly Origen’s and Eusebius’, have probably not a little to do with the disappearance of this passage from all manuscripts of the Jewish War that have come down to us.[28]Robert Eisenman, James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Viking Penguin, 1996.

Jesus scholars of the “mythicist” school—by opposition to “historicist”—refrain from expressing their conclusion in conspiratorial terms. In his book On the Historicity of Jesus, Why We Might Have Reason For Doubt, Richard Carrier writes: “the Jesus we know originated as a mythical character,” and only “later, this myth was mistaken for history (or deliberately repackaged that way).” But I find “mistaken” very unlikely, and “deliberately repackaged” much more probable. Carrier actually suggests that the fundamental structure of the narrative was borrowed from a well-established Roman mythical pattern:

In Plutarch’s biography of Romulus, the founder of Rome, we are told he was the son of god, born of a lowly shepherd; then as a man he becomes beloved by the people, hailed as king, and killed by the conniving elite; then he rises from the dead, appears to a friend to tell the good news to his people, and ascends to heaven to rule from on high. Just like Jesus.

Plutarch also tells us about annual public ceremonies that were still being performed, which celebrated the day Romulus ascended to heaven. The sacred story told at this event went basically as follows: at the end of his life, amid rumors he was murdered by a conspiracy of the Senate (just as Jesus was “murdered” by a conspiracy of the Jews—in fact by the Sanhedrin, the Jewish equivalent of the Senate), the sun went dark (just as it did when Jesus died), and Romulus’s body vanished (just as Jesus’ did). The people wanted to search for him but the Senate told them not to, “for he had risen to join the gods” (much as a mysterious young man tells the women in Mark’s Gospel). Most went away happy, hoping for good things from their new god, but “some doubted” (just as all later Gospels say of Jesus: Mt 28.17; Lk 24.11; Jn 20.24-25; even Mk 16.8 implies this). Soon after, Proculus, a close friend of Romulus, reported that he met Romulus “on the road” between Rome and a nearby town and asked him, “Why have you abandoned us?”, to which Romulus replied that he had been a god all along but had come down to earth and become incarnate to establish a great kingdom, and now had to return to his home in heaven (pretty much as happens to Cleopas in Lk 24.13-32). Then Romulus told his friend to tell the Romans that if they are virtuous they will have all worldly power.

[…] Livy’s account [History 1.16], just like Mark’s, emphasizes that “fear and bereavement” kept the people “silent for a long time”, and only later did they proclaim Romulus “God, Son of God, King, and Father”, thus matching Mark’s “they said nothing to anyone”, yet obviously assuming that somehow word got out.

It certainly seems as if Mark is fashioning Jesus into the new Romulus, with a new, superior message, establishing a new, superior kingdom. This Romulan tale looks a lot like a skeletal model for the passion narrative: a great man, founder of a great kingdom, despite coming from lowly origins and of suspect parentage, is actually an incarnated son of god, but dies as a result of a conspiracy of the ruling council, then a darkness covers the land at his death and his body vanishes, at which those who followed him flee in fear (just like the Gospel women, Mk 16.8; and men, Mk 14.50-52), and like them, too, we look for his body but are told he is not here, he has risen; and some doubt, but then the risen god ‘appears’ to select followers to deliver his gospel.

There are many differences in the two stories, surely. But the similarities are too numerous to be a coincidence—and the differences are likely deliberate. For instance, Romulus’s material kingdom favoring the mighty is transformed into a spiritual one favoring the humble. It certainly looks like the Christian passion narrative is an intentional transvaluation of the Roman Empire’s ceremony of their own founding savior’s incarnation, death and resurrection. Other elements have been added to the Gospels—the story heavily Judaized, and many other symbols and motifs pulled in to transform it—and the narrative has been modified, in structure and content, to suit the Christians’ own moral and spiritual agenda. But the basic structure is not original.[29]Richard Carrier, On the Historicity of Jesus, Why We Might Have Reason For Doubt, Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2014, p. 56.

Other scholars have long identified strong parallels between the life of Jesus and the legendary lives of holy men such as Pythagoras or Appolonius of Tyana. In the later, for example, we find that Appolonius, after a lifetime of doing miracles, healing the sick, casting out demons, and raising the dead, was delivered by his enemies to the Roman authorities. “Still,” according to Bart D. Ehrman’s summary, “after he left this world, he returned to meet his followers in order to convince them that he was not really dead but lived on in the heavenly realm.”[30]Bart D. Ehrman Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, HarperCollins, USA. 2012, p. 208, quoted from Wikipedia.

Robert Price has pointed another likely source for the Gospel narratives: Greek novels such as Chariton’s Chaereas and Callirhoe, Xenophon’s Ephesian Tale, Achilles Tatius’ Leucippe and Clitophon, Heliodorus’ Ethiopian Story, Longus’ Daphnis and Chloe, The Story of Apollonius, King of Tyre, Iamblichus’ Babylonian Story, and Petronius’ Satyricon.

Three major plot devices recur like clockwork in the ancient novels, which were usually about the adventures of star-crossed lovers, somewhat like modern soap operas. First, the heroine, a princess, collapses into a coma and is taken for dead. Prematurely buried, she awakens later in the darkness of the tomb. Ironically, she is discovered in the nick of time by grave robbers who have broken into the opulent mausoleum, looking for rich funerary tokens […]. The crooks save her life but also kidnap her, since they can’t afford to leave a witness behind. When her fiancé or husband comes to the tomb to mourn, he is stunned to find the tomb empty and first guesses that his beloved has been taken up to heaven because the gods envied her beauty. In one tale, the man sees the shroud left behind, just as in John 20:6-7.

The second stock plot device is that the hero, finally realizing what has happened, goes in search of the heroine and eventually runs afoul of a governor or king who wants her and, to get him out of the way, has the hero crucified. Of course, the hero always manages to get a last-minute pardon, even once affixed to the cross, or he survives crucifixion by some stroke of luck. Sometimes the heroine, too, appears to have been killed but winds up alive after all.

Third, we eventually have a joyous reunion of the two lovers, each of whom has despaired of ever seeing the other again. They at first cannot believe they are not seeing a ghost come to comfort them. Finally, disbelieving for joy, they are convinced that their loved one has survived in the flesh.

As I have noted in my article “The Crucifixion of the Goddess,” the love romance pattern is still apparent in the Gospel, where the risen Jesus appears first to his longtime follower Mary Magdalene, who, perhaps for that reason, was regarded as Jesus’ soul mate by many Gnostics.[31]Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1979.

Price quotes the following passage from Chariton’s Chaereas and Callirhoe, where Chaereas discovers the empty tomb of his beloved:

When he reached the tomb, he found that the stones had been moved and the entrance was open. [Cf. John 20:1] He was astonished at the sight and overcome by fearful perplexity at what had happened. [Cf. Mark 16:5] Rumor—a swift messenger—told the Syracusans this amazing news. They all quickly crowded round the tomb, but no one dared go inside until Hermocrates gave an order to do so. [Cf. John 20:4-6] The man who went in reported the whole situation accurately. [Cf. John 19:35; 21:24] It seemed incredible that even the corpse was not lying there. Then Chaereas himself determined to go in, in his desire to see Callirhoe again even dead; but though he hunted through the tomb, he could find nothing. Many people could not believe it and went in after him. They were all seized by helplessness. One of those standing there said, “The funeral offerings have been carried off [Cartlidge’s translation reads: “The shroud has been stripped off”—cf. John 20:6-7]—it is tomb robbers who have done that; but what about the corpse—where is it?” Many different suggestions circulated in the crowd. Chaereas looked towards the heavens, stretched up his arms, and cried: “Which of the gods is it, then, who has become my rival in love and carried off Callirhoe and is now keeping her with him…?

Later on, Callirhoe, reflecting on her vicissitudes, says, “I have died and come to life again.” Later still, she laments, “I have died and been buried; I have been stolen from my tomb.” In the meantime, poor Chaereas is condemned to the cross, which he has to carry himself. But in the last minute, just before being nailed, his sentence is commuted, and he is taken down from the cross. “Here, then,” comments Price, “is a hero who went to the cross for his beloved and returned alive. In the same story, a villain is likewise crucified, though since he is gaining his just deserts, he is not reprieved. This is Theron, the pirate who carried poor Callirhoe into slavery. ‘He was crucified in front of Callirhoe’s tomb.’”

Did some Jews, by some concerted and persistent Hasbara, brainwash the Romans with an unbelievable Jewish tale plagiarized from Greek novels, Roman myths, and Mithraic cult? Surely there are other ways to look at Christianity than as a Jewish trick. But I find the hypothesis worth considering. I hear on this webzine a lot of complaint against Jewish cultural colonization. I am merely suggesting that it didn’t start yesterday.

Laurent Guyénot has an engineer’s degree (ENSTA, Paris) and a PhD in Medieval Studies (Sorbonne, Paris). He is the author of From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land … Clash of Civilizations, and “Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us”: Essays on Jewish Power (a collection of earlier Unz Review articles). He has also written JFK-9/11: 50 years of Deep State (banned from Amazon) and is the co-author of a new film on “Israel and the Assassinations of the Kennedy Brothers.”

Notes

[1] Translated from the French: Primo Levi, Lilith et autres nouvelles, Le Livre de Poche, 1989.

[2] Jacob Neusner, Judaism and Christianity in the Age of Constantine: History, Messiah, Israel, and the Initial Confrontation, University of Chicago Press, 1987 , pp. ix-xi.

[3] Read Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2015, pp. 137-138, or Hyam Maccoby, The Sacred Executioner, Thames & Hudson, 1982, pp. 13-51. I broached on this topic in my book “Our God Is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us”: Essays on Jewish Power, AFNIL, 2020, pp. 42-45.

[4] Royston Lambert, Beloved and God: The Story of Hadrian and Antinous, Phoenix Giant, 1984; Christopher Jones, New Heroes in Antiquity, op. cit., pp. 75–83.

[5] Stendhal, Love, Penguin Classics, 2000, p. 83.

[6] Giles Corey, The Sword of Christ: Christianity from the Right, or The Christian Question, Independently published, 2020, p. xiii.

[7] Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Houghton Mifflin, 2006, p. 51.

[8] Joseph Mélèze Modrzejewski, The Jews of Egypt, From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian, Princeton University Press, 1995, pp. 48-49, 66.

[9] Martin Bernal, Geography of a Life, chap. 45, Jews and Phoenicians,” pp. 386-394.

[10] Nahum Goldmann, Le Paradoxe juif. Conversations en français avec Léon Abramowicz, Stock, 1976, p. 36; Heinrich Graetz, Histoire des Juifs, A. Lévy, 1882 (on fr.wikisource.org), tome I, p. 413-428.

[11] The earliest gospel, the Gospel of Mark, is commonly dated in the late 60s, but that date is much too early, especially since it mentions the destruction of the Temple.

[12] Tacitus wrote in the Annals (xv, 44) that Nero accused Christians of starting the great fire of Rome in 64, and had many of them “thrown to the beasts, crucified, and burned alive.” But this is the only attestation of that story, and some modern scholars have cast doubt on its credibility: Richard Carrier sees it as a later Christian interpolation, and Brent Shaw argues that Nero’s persecution is a myth (Wikipedia.). There is one other mention of persecution against Christians before the third century, in a letter written to Trajan by Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia (north of Asia Minor). But this letter is of dubious authenticity as well, belonging to a book of 121 letters found in the sixteenth century, copied, and lost again.

[13] Paul Mattei, Le Christianisme antique: De Jésus à Constantin, Armand Colin, 2011, p. 119.

[14] Emily A. Schmidt, “The Flavian Triumph and the Arch of Titus: The Jewish God in Flavian Rome,” UC Santa Barbara: Ancient Borderlands Research Focus Group, 2010, retrieved from https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9xw0k5kh

[15] Trajan is said to have had a pro-Jewish wife, Pompeia Plotina, and he once sentenced to death a Greek dignitary named Hermaiskos for having complained that the emperor’s entourage was “full of impious Jews.” (Joseph Mélèze Modrzejewski, The Jews of Egypt – From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian, Princeton University Press, 1997, p. 193-196). But Hadrian is credited for having banned circumcision, and, when faced in 132 with a new anti-Roman Jewish uprising in Judea, led by Simon bar Kokhba, he destroyed Jerusalem once more, converted it into a Greek city named Aelia Capitolina, and forbade Jews to enter it.

[16] Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium, Essential Books, 1957, p. 4.

[17] According to 1Kings 10:14, the amount of gold hoarded each year into Salomon’s temple was “666 talents of gold” (1 talent = 30kg). Salomon’s treasure may be legendary, but it illustrates what the Jerusalem Temple still meant for the priests of the first century AD.

[18] Because the Copper Scroll is part of the so-called Dead Sea Scrolls, which have been wrongly assigned an Essenian origin for decades, its content was long considered fictional. The revision of this misguided theory, pioneered by Norman Golb in Who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls?: The search for the secret of Qumran, Scribner, 1995, has corrected that bias.

[19] Flavio Barbiero, The Secret Society of Moses: The Mosaic Bloodline and a Conspiracy Spanning Three Millennia, Inner Traditions, 2010, p. 111.

[20] Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium, Essential Books, 1957, p. 10.

[21] Cyril Glassé, Mithraism, the Virus that Destroyed Rome, Revelation , 2016.

[22] Kyle Harper, The Fate of Rome: Climate, Disease, and the End of an Empire, Princeton UP, 2017.

[23] See for example James Charlesworth, Jesus within Judaism, SPCK, 1989.

[24] Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle: Was There no Historical Jesus? on this 600-page pdf, pp. 33 and 16.

[25] Robert Price, Deconstructing Jesus, Prometheus Book, 2000, archive.org, pp. 44-45.

[26] Recent scholars arguing along those lines include Karl H. Kraeling, John the Baptist, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1951; Charles H. H. Scobie, John the Baptist, Fortress Press, 1964; W. Barnes Tatum, John the Baptist and Jesus: A Report of the Jesus Seminar, Polebridge Press, 1994; Joan Taylor, The Immerser: John the Baptist within Second Temple Judaism, Wm B. Eerdmans, 1996; Robert L. Webb, John the Baptizer and Prophet: A Socio-Historical Study, Sheffield Academic Press, 1991; Walter Wink, John the Baptist in the Gospel Tradition, Cambridge UP, 1968.

[27] Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle, op. cit., p. 52 .

[28] Robert Eisenman, James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Viking Penguin, 1996.

[29] Richard Carrier, On the Historicity of Jesus, Why We Might Have Reason For Doubt, Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2014, p. 56.

[30] Bart D. Ehrman Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, HarperCollins, USA. 2012, p. 208, quoted from Wikipedia.

[31] Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1979.

 
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  1. Levtraro says:

    This capacity, which Søren Kierkegaard calls ideality (In Vino Veritas, 1845), is not to be confused with what we commonly call idealism, although it may be argued that idealism is our vulnerability, the weakness inherent to our strength.

    This a great insight though it is a much more serious danger than represented here. The transition from Kierkegaard’s ideality to idealism is fast and easy and is the source of most evil. Humans and humans of the white race in particular have great many ideas but eventually ideas possess them: they become intoxicated with ideas. The idea of a burial ceremony turns into a religion. The idea of having the best hunting leader turns into a parasitic king or president. A useful hierarchy of a pack of hunters turns into a large exploitative and aggresive state bureaucracy.

  2. Another classic essay from M. Guyenot.

    All roads lead to mythicism; that’s why the priests are terrified of real historical scholarship. Mythicism, especially of the Dutch Radicals, was becoming academic orthodoxy in the early 20th century, until the Evangelicals staged a counter-revolution, filling academic departments with their toadies and lickspittles, and even creating their own “Bible Colleges”. The books you refer to, especially Carrier’s, are not “fringe conspiracy rants” but the building of a new paradigm. (Carrier’s is fully peer reviewed, whatever value that has). Poor Bart Ehrman, his credentials as a “radical” in tatters as he is forced to defend orthodoxy from these upstarts (“But I was hip once!”), is reduced to defending as “conclusive evidence” a vague rumor of some “oral tradition” that was looted by the Evangelists.

    As I have noted in several essays on the midcentury New Thought guru Neville Goddard, (*) the key to extracting what is of value in Christian writings from the poison of both Judaic Supremacy and Church dogma is to recognize that, as he insisted, the Bible is a document of mystical psychology, like an alchemical treatise, not history.

    “This Bible of ours has nothing to do with history. Some of you may yet be inclined tonight to believe that, although we can give it a psychological interpretation, it still could be left in its present form and be interpreted literally. You cannot do it. The Bible has no reference at all to people or to events as you have been taught to believe. The sooner you begin to rub out that picture the better.”

    So much for “God gave this land to us,” “You must tithe to the Church,” etc.

    (*) “The (Not so) New (And Really Rather Traditional) Thought of Neville Goddard,” collected with other in my “Mysticism After Modernism: Crowley, Evola, Neville, Watts, Colin Wilson and Other Populist Gurus” (Manticore, 2020)

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  3. @Levtraro

    Max Stirner called this “being haunted by spooks.” We create ideas, then forget they are ours and instead force ourselves to obey THEM. Obey God, obey society, obey “the Truth” etc.

    https://counter-currents.com/2017/08/the-sad-sour-spook-max-stirner-and-his-proper-ties/

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  4. Anomander says:

    Jewish author Marcus Eli Ravage in his must-read 1928 article “A real case against the Jews.”

    Very interesting take, thank you for having brought it to my attention (could not make your link work but [url= https://www.yumpu.com/xx/document/view/62616817/a-real-case-against-the-jews-by-marcus-eli-ravage ] this one [/url] did the job for me.

    I think it’s piffle though. Constantin (an Illyrian) was the major enabler of Christianity, not Paul, and he certainly did not become so out of any jewish cultural concern or determination.

    And the idea that anti-jewish sentiment is ultimately born from the jewish origin of christianity, which destroyed the healthy pagan culture, seems like an overly complex intellectual construction to me. I find it more plausible for it to stem from the (real or perceived) “clannish and exclusive and unassimilable” nature of the jewish communities (citing Ravage here), from the smug assertion of being God’s only chosen people (noone likes a smugass) and maybe from the (real or perceived) jewish embrace of usury (see [url=https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-moneylending/] here [/url] for an interesting, albeit short, piece on the subject – has the merit of putting to rest the somewhat prevalent idea of jews being forced into the usury profession)

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  5. gay troll says: • Website

    Nice essay, I think a definite thesis on the evolution of Christianity is at hand. As you say, it begins with the Babylonian captivity and the fantasy of redeeming the Jewish covenant with Yahweh. Paul later invents the cosmic Jesus Christ and argues that even though Jewish prophecies have not been fulfilled on Earth, they are being fulfilled in Heaven. Paul admits that he is marketing Judaism to Gentiles, a circumcision of their hearts if not their genitals. So in Paul we see the origin of Jesus Christ, and it truly is Judaism for Gentiles.

    But then Rome destroyed Jerusalem, and some Roman interest, possibly the Flavians, adapted Paul to a new purpose. Paul wrote in Greek because his intended audience was Gentile. But the Gospels are only written in Greek to mimic Paul. They may be wholly or partially intended for a Jewish audience. In fact, Jesus Christ in the Gospels says his teachings are only for Jews (whom he calls evil). He has left the mission of Paul to the Gentiles behind.

    And the Gospels are clearly a satire. They were not written until after the fall of Jerusalem, which Jesus predicts as the judgment of the Son of Man. The Gospel Christ is a lovable trickster at best and a diabolical hypocrite at worst. He appears to be the seed of David, but Joseph is not really his father. He claims to fulfill the law of Moses while conspicuously rejecting the rules laid down in the Torah. He claims to offer salvation to the Jews but his practical advice is to forsake their families and their laws, give away their wealth and become like animals, not resist their enemies and follow him unto death. He says he speaks in parable and should not be taken literally. The glory of Rome is invoked throughout the Gospels. This is our big clue: Paul wants glory for Jerusalem, but the Gospel Christ wants glory for Rome. Another clue is that Paul’s teachings are now coming out of Christ’s mouth.

    It’s important to note that Paul’s version of Christianity, despite being the original, was not popular at all. There is no evidence of a historical Paul. Christianity only became popular with the Gospels. And the New Testament, to hide the truth of its evolution, placed Paul after the Gospels, and invented the Book of Acts to provide a plausible transition.

    Please see the essay on my website explaining how the “Cephas” of Paul became the “Simon Peter” of the Gospels, possibly in order to mock the fate of Simon bar Giora, who was taken back to Rome by Titus and executed. When Jesus says Simon Peter is the rock on which his church will be built, he may actually be referring to the head of Simon bar Giora.

  6. Franz says:

    I hear on this webzine a lot of complaint against Jewish cultural colonization. I am merely suggesting that it didn’t start yesterday.

    And it’s a completely logical suggestion. Most American Christians will still take it as an attack.

    “We can’t question our basic values” is what they’ll say, and having been raised Roman Catholic I am aware of the conflation of morality with religion. There is a refusal that is automatic when the subject comes up. And in the States, Catholics are no longer the major group that refuses to hear dissent.

    When Cal Thomas, former member of the Moral Majority and long time columnist, spoke at a Zionist meeting and addressed them in Hebrew, he was representative of a lot of this new American Protestant.

    Or to quote on of their own bumper stickers: KING DAVID NOT CAMP DAVID.

    Given this version of Jesus, who needs treason?

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  7. joe2.5 says:

    Good article, but allow me a little pedantry:

    There is no literary value in this prose.

    It’s rather hard to judge literary value based, as you indicate, on a Livre de poche translation. In the original it’s not indifferent prose, as Italian prose goes.

    Its only interest is the question it begs: Who does Levi mean by this society of professional liars…

    You mean the question it raises. Or the question it implies, etc. Not the question it *begs (begging the question = pétition de principe)

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  8. Jordan says:
    @gay troll

    What a load of tosh. If what you say is even remotely true then the entire existence of the Catholic Church is based on a lie. The gospels are probably the most investigated pieces of literature in history. You’re peddling myths.

  9. (…) they ban Intelligent Design from universities (…)

    (…) or shall we call it the Darwinian Lie (…)

    Why is Darwin’s theory viewed as incompatible with so-called “intelligent design”? One may understand Intelligent Design in a narrow way, as the direct action of an intelligent being upon biological development, or, alternatively, as acting upon the initial configuration of the Universe in such a way that its constants and laws would inevitably lead to the development of life in general and intelligent life in particular. In the latter sense, Darwin’s theory is not contradictory with Intelligent Design, is it?

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  10. anon[791] • Disclaimer says:

    Christianity from it very inception has tried to ride the coattails of the kings and the emperors and then seize the population under the royals jurisdiction. Constantine was the first and Trump is the latest .Bush jr was effusively praised for doing the bidding for the Jews but was also criticized for not doing enough . Constantine did not serve the interest of the Jews .Though he was instrumental in elevating tJesus to God officially Wilson,Truman,LBJ Regan Bush jr and Trump did serve the jews by serving the current dominant thoughts and faiths of the Protestants.

    Religious Christianity and secular Judaism have always tried to control the levers of the powers to further their objectives . Armenian king’s conversions and later Nordic countries’s conversions or even the conversiosn Russian (Novogiord’s) Vladimir – all were followed by mass forced conversions of the inhabitants -have served as the leitmotif for the spread of the religion later in Asia and S America and in some countries of Africa ( or of the conversions of the tribes )

  11. BSDN says:

    It’s hard to take this kind of grand conspiratorial explanation seriously.
    If our author can’t give us a recognizable account of Christianity to begin with, why would we listen to his critique of it, much more essentially take his supposed historical exposition on faith?

    Nor does growing up in the Roman church in which implicit faith – i.e. ignorance is the mother of devotion – necessarily prepare one to the task of reasonably propounding the faith.

    Which is why there was a Reformation. Rome had debased things to the point, reform or secession was inevitable.

    One might care to think Judaism, along with Christianity is the root of all evil, but the Russian Orthodox Solzhenitsyn at least knew that the border between good and evil ran through every man’s heart.

    Unz.com is to be commended for its commitment to publishing material other websites won’t even think of mentioning, much more permitting to see the light of day, but really. The first rule in an argument is to present your opponent as they are and not a straw man particularly since the New Testament, if not the Old, makes it abundantly clear that God is no respecter of persons.

    All men are sinners, whether Jew or Gentile and consequently all men need a savior. That Christ was born a Jew is ultimately not the point, however much the Pharisees then or our modern day Gentile counterparts get hung up on bloodlines and genealogy.

    Nor for that matter is Zionism tantamount to Judaism. There are even Jews who know that whatever the Zionists or the Evangelical subset of Protestantism believe.

    Long story short, Mr. Guyenot would do well to get out a bit more.

    Thank you.

  12. @James O'Meara

    All roads lead to mythicism

    They do indeed.

    Late last century the grifters’ rearguard action was focused on preventing (or forestalling) the acceptance of mythicism with respect to Avram, Isaac, Jacob, Moses… and the rest of the characters and events in the Old Nonsense.

    A hundred years earlier, mythicist interpretations of Genesis were controversial.

    Fifty years before that, the dominant paradigm was that the whole gallimaufry of primitive drivel was history: entirely true and inerrant, from soup to nuts.

    Nowadays only the most indoctrinated mouth-breathers consider Genesis to be anything other than fable; the rest of the Torah is understood to be myth (by anyone not indoctrinated since birth); most of the New Nonsense is understood to post-date the events described by more than 100 years.

    Jesus was as much of a historical figure as Clark Kent. That was the conclusion I reached in my early teens – the same time I reached the same conclusion about the Old Nonsense.

    I have watched the prevailing orthodoxy shift position over time, ceding ground bit by bit: by the time we all virtualise, it will be understood that the whole of Christianity has no more factual, historical basis than the Elder Edda, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of the Dead or Guardians of the Galaxy.

    The scientific method is a glorious achievement: it is a crying shame that Jesus-Grifters did their level best to stymie it for almost two millennia. Their time is over, and they should be expropriated for their fraud.

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  13. Rich says:

    Except that under the Banner of Christ, the Caucasian race reached its highest level. It was Christian Spaniards that conquered the New World, British Christians whose empire never saw a setting sun, Russian Christians who created a vast land empire. The first man to step on the moon, and the engineers who put him there, were Christians. Christian Americans carved a nation out of a wilderness and rose up to run the world. French atheists were the ones who first gave Jews the franchise, atheistic Germans followed suit. As the West has drifted from Christianity, it has become weaker. The small Christian-Zionist sects get a lot of attention, but they are hardly a majority and their doctrine calls for the conversion of the Jews. A return to the strong, manly Christianity of our not too distant past would save the Caucasians, and the world.

    A few out of context Bible quotes don’t quite cut it about conservative Christian behavior. Jesus didn’t “abandon” his family, His mother was present at his crucifixion. He outlawed divorce, except in the case of adultery and directed his followers to treat women with respect, not even looking at them lustfully. From the very beginning of Christianity, “conservative” values have not only been followed, they’ve been demanded by both the New Testament and Church leaders. It’s only as the Church has grown weaker that its leaders have softened and cozied up to the atheists teachings.

  14. Laurent, thanks for using “Judeophobia” rather than the beastly, lying, weapon word.

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  15. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Yes, it did. Europe did conquer . So did many other religious elites. Rome , Persia, Mongol snd rven Budchist Tibetian b empires did reach apogees ,zenith of powrs before European did.

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  16. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I should have said thanks for the article itself. Super-impressive. But I’ll need a long long time to study it properly.

  17. Ah, yes … “The Big Lie.” More in a moment …

    Jewish chosenness means a metaphysical superiority that makes us, non-Jews, God’s second choice at best.

    I understand where you’re coming from here, though I find it necessary to clarify the Islamic perspective of Israel’s “election.”

    Concerning Christianity, you write:

    The Christians’ theory that, after choosing the Jews, God cursed them for their rejection of Christ doesn’t contradict, but rather validates the Jews’ claim that they are the only ethnic group that God chose, loved exclusively and guided personally through his prophets for thousands of years.

    In Islam, we do not hold this perspective of Jews. Yes, they were among those to whom God sent messengers, but not exclusively. We affirm that unto every people/nation, God has sent a messenger. [Qur’an 14:4; 16:36] This, of course, would include contemporaries of Israel elsewhere on earth, though their shari’ah (path that leads to water) would have been distinct but for the fundamental convinction in God’s oneness and conduct comporting with that faith.

    Israel’s distinction lies in The Book. Muslims do not hold the content of its record to be authentic at face value, but rather, use The Qur’an as The Criterion by which the veracity or applicability of it may be determined.

    Certainly, The Book is an important distinction, and in the eyes of many here, Islam’s repeated reverence for the prophets and messengers of Israel, as well as its apparent similarity in some respects, would likely appear to validate Jewish claims of exclusivity as well.

    But for us, The Lie is not that Jews “were once ‘chosen’ by the almighty Creator of the Universe to enlighten and rule over mankind—while all their enemies were cursed by the same Creator.” Rather, it is that salvation comes exclusively in and through Israel. Now you’ve made a case that Pauline Christianity has been the primary vehicle for promulgating this dogma throughout Europe (and beyond), which has also resulted in serial atheism.

    In stark contrast, Islam explicitly rejects The Lie. On the surface, it shares with Judaism conviction in God and God alone, yet how this conviction is manifest makes all the difference. While Europe would not tolerate any religion other than Christianity — an intolerance that mirrors that of Judaism for any religion it regards as pagan — Islam protected the religious liberty of Jews, Christians, and others living under its auspices for centuries.

    Granted, this mandate was not always applied as it should have been, though it is safe to say that, absent the introduction of Islam in the Iberian Peninsula, the Renaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment would not have occurred.

  18. sarz says:

    One does not always struggle with what M Guyénot is trying to say, but this one seems to be almost as bad as his countrymen get in the world of abstraction. Imaginary things are not agents, sir.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  19. And I meant to add that this was an exceptionally informative read.

    Well done.

  20. Religion is certainly needed but for the West, it should be a Western version of the Asian meditation yoga etc religions, fostering rituals and paths to divine experience … a reincarnation spirituality which rejects all of animal sacrifice, human mutilation, and slavery to barbarism in ‘holy books’

    • Agree: MrVoid
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    , @Montefrío
  21. Levtraro says:
    @James O'Meara

    Yes. But in defense of humans, there is not much experience of dealing with ideas on this planet. Humans are the first species to have produced them on a large scale. If they continue evolving, they will realize they have mismanaged the resource, then State and God will be displayed in museums.

  22. @Brás Cubas

    In short: Intelligent Design is compatible with evolution, but is, by definition, opposed to what we call today Darwinism, understood as the dogma that evolution happened by chance or accident (random or accidental mutations filttered by natural selection). The main argument for Intelligent Design is the complecity of living organism at the cellular and molecular level, and the fact that this complexity is based on information. By definition, information is produced by intelligence.

  23. I just found out that three articles I wrote on Jesus and John the Baptist for the Downside Review are online: https://journals.sagepub.com/action/doSearch?filterOption=thisJournal&SeriesKey=tdra&AllField=Guy%C3%A9not

  24. utu says:

    The Anti-Jewish Warriors (AJW) like Laurent Guyenot concluded that going after Christianity is the best move in the preparation for the war against Jews. Is this really a smart move? Would Clausewitz approve? What about becoming a Muslim? Could this be a part of Guyenot’s brilliant strategy? I can easily imagine a squadron of Guyenot’s whirling Dervishes attacking Chabad-Lubavitch centers in Paris after burning down several more churches.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  25. Fine article, thank you. The major problem with the “Testamentum Flavianum” is that no Christian writer before the fourth century makes a single reference to these two sentences in all their defenses against paganism. In the third century, Origen quotes from Josephus extensively, yet he makes no reference to the “golden paragraph” which would have clinched his argument against those who proposed that the Christ figure was merely a literary fiction.

    It seems reasonable to conclude that Origen did not quote the 127 word passage because it had not yet been written. It did not appear in Origen’s third century version of Josephus, referenced in his “Contra Celsum.” It does not match Josephus’ customary style or vocabulary, and is found inserted awkwardly within a chapter on a different topic, the miseries suffered by Jews during Pilate’s term as Prefect. As an observant Jew, Josephus would never have referred to Jesus as “a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works… the anointed one [the literal translation of ‘Messiah’].”

    Interestingly, Josephus does report that when he was sixteen, in our year 53, he made a spiritual pilgrimage throughout Judea, where he reported his encounters with Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, and “a fourth sect of Jewish philosophy … which laid the foundation of our future miseries,” which centered on a Galilean who had been crucified by Rome for leading an insurrection – not Jesus, but Judah, who met his well-documented fate in 6 CE, a generation before Jesus. No mention is made of the numerous Christian communities that Acts of Apostles later claimed were flourishing in Judea at that time.

    The first person known to have quoted this paragraph was Eusebius, that self-described “liar-for-god”, about the year 340 CE. This was the period that Christians, backed by the power of the fanatic emperor Constantius II, Constantine’s son, began the wholesale destruction of the storehouses of the ancient world’s knowledge. As extreme as today’s Taliban or ISIS, they torched great public and private libraries throughout the empire, along with the archives of literally hundreds of temples and universities.

    • Replies: @jay
    , @Seraphim
  26. Franz says:
    @utu

    The Anti-Jewish Warriors (AJW) like Laurent Guyenot concluded that going after Christianity is the best move in the preparation for the war against Jews.

    No.

    This is more in the spirit of Marcion of Sinope and Thomas Jefferson, both of whom felt Jesus was fine but the connection of Christ to Judaism is weak.

    At the moment, Christianity is in a Jew-Daze, as someone once put it, and if it takes a good whack at most of Christianity to save it from that malaise, so be it.

    The one necessary and sufficient tactic to rid Europeans from the Zionist yoke is simply the ability of enough Christians to agree to what Jews have always maintained: Jesus was not one of them.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
    , @Anonymous
  27. G. Poulin says:
    @brabantian

    Yes, and in our more rational scientific age men cut off their own dicks and ingest chemicals to make tits grow from their chests, and millions of people don’t think this is crazy. We’ve come a long way, baby.

    • Agree: Nisbe, Z-man
  28. What a BS article …. Jesus was white , son of GOD, Killed by JEWS….

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  29. Levtraro says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Instead of Intelligent Design, it seems evolution is compatible with Inefficient Design: to create a universe where 99.999999999…999% of anything 99.999999999…999% of the time is inanimate matter and vacuum, just to have 0.000000000…001% of life for 0.000000000…001% of the time, of which a very very very small fraction is intelligent life, well, that would be Inefficient Design.

    Or maybe it is Misleading Design, where Intelligent Designer left lots of misleading evidence planted all over the universe to mislead a particular primate species inhabiting a little corner of one galaxy composed of billions of stars among billion other galaxies.

    Or it could be Intelligent Design after all if you are willing to admit that Intelligent Designer created trillions of distinct soul populations scattered across the Universe, of which humans are just one.

    Intelligent Designer may have plans for squirrels on Earth. After Humankind go extinct on Earth, Squirrelkind will raise. Currently they are dexterous, can stand on two feet, have binocular vision, and sport a cunning ability to exploit human-made habitats. I am looking at one just now. The tail will make for great fashion development. They will write about the tail-less primate that went to meet Intelligent Designer for good.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @animalogic
    , @Alexandros
  30. @Laurent Guyénot

    I want to make clear that what you say is *not* what I said.

    Darwin was not a physicist. He did not make a theory about whether the Universe was created, or how. What I said is that if there was intelligent design at the primordial level of the Universe creation, then “chance” is bounded by those initial parameters which may have been intelligently designed. It’s like throwing a coin enough times. The individual outcomes are ruled by 50/50 chance, but it is practically certain that heads will come up eventually. All a designer had to do was set up the possible outcomes and the number of throws.

    What you say is clearly at odds with that version of intelligent design. You are clearly advocating intelligent design at a biological level, rather than at a cosmological level. Evolution, in your version, occurs by divine intervention, rather than by a natural process. In other words, the creator of the Universe was not powerful enough, or did not want, to make it in such a way as to produce his desired outcome only through the Universe’s intrinsic properties. He had, or preferred, to intervene later. That makes for an unstable Universe whose Laws can be broken at any time at its Creator’s whim.

    Basically, you’re saying it would be a miracle if Life had emerged by chance. What I’m saying is that, per the definition of miracles, it would be a miracle if it hadn’t.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  31. Katrinka says:
    @gay troll

    Horse sh*t. The Book of Romans begins with:

    I, Paul…

    So, according to you someone else wrote the Book of Romans and assumed the identity of Paul? A person who in your opinion never existed? All the ingenuity of destructive criticism has never been able to impugn the authenticity of the epistle.

    Nice try.

    • Replies: @gay troll
    , @James O'Meara
  32. Rich says:
    @anon

    Did any of these other conquerors reach the heights of the Christioans? Every nation on earth has knelt before Pale Christians. Mankind had never been wealthier, its people more free, than under the Cross. Mind boggling inventions, the greatest music, literature, feats of engineering, mathematical advances, artwork, sailing, exploring. No other empires, no other peoples, ever accomplished what Pale skinned Christians did. None. As we drift back into paganism and atheism, we’ll find ourselves and the world much worse off, under much worse despotism, the kind found in the empires of your Persians, Mongols and Tibetans.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  33. gay troll says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Actually intelligence is produced by information.

  34. @Brás Cubas

    “Intelligent Design” is an expression coined by biologists to designate a set of evidence refuting Darwinism. That is the general understanding of this expression (for example in the documentary Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed). You are using it is a different sense. That is a bit confusing. And I thought you were asking a question.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  35. gay troll says:
    @Katrinka

    Have you read Paul? Have you noticed that he admits he is willing to say anything to get what he wants? He impugns his own credibility more than once. I believe Paul is genuine literature of the first century, and the earliest Christian literature there is. But I don’t think he was a traveling preacher.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  36. @Jordan

    The gospels are probably the most investigated pieces of literature in history.

    You mean there is a myth more intensely investigated and thus “proven” than the hollow cau$e?
    Just imagine that!

  37. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Those powers came before the industrialization . Thats why.

    Europe reached its highest point after Darwin ,Discovery of Dinosaurs ,Calculus,Small pox vaccine, use of campus, or the roundness of the the earth.

    By that time basic tenet of Christianity has found its intellectual terminator.

    Next power can challenge Christianity -Europe-West only and if only it can fix the current crisis points in science economy technology and philosophy .

    • Replies: @Rich
  38. Ugetit says:

    This sounds somewhat interesting to me, but 12,000+ words? Gimmee a break.

    How’s about authors of mini-tomes, out of a sense of respect for others’ time, at a minimum, provide a summary or abstract of the main point(s) like what’s done with scientific journals?

    • Agree: Odin
    • Replies: @nsa
  39. Chris Moore says: • Website

    And so the Big Jewish Lie begot the Big Atheist Lie—or shall we call it the Darwinian Lie? “Yahweh is God” and “God is dead” are opposed like the two sides of the same coin. Our materialistic civilization is in fact more Jewish than the Christianity it rejected, because materialism (the denial of any otherworld) is the metaphysical core of the Hebrew Bible

    Jewry/Zionists ultimately destroy everything they touch. They are a negative energy force, a great black hole of nothingness. They destroy the best of their own, as Jesus found out.

    That’s true Christianity — the knowledge of Jewry’s negative essence, and a willingness to do something about it, but without destroying the world in the process.

    A tricky proposition, particularly in the nuclear age.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  40. @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes, the argument (if talking to stubborn dogmatists who would rather die than acknowledge anything “spooky” can be called an argument) is NOT against evolution (a concept Darwin stole from Wallace anyway, and which goes back to Plotinus and Neoplatonism) but a common sense rejection of the idea the only acceptable (note the word: not proven, but acceptable) is blind chance.

    Today ID is associated with “knuckle-dragging Bible-bangers” but who are the real “knuckle-draggers”? In a broader historical perspective…

    As another example of what might be called “strange not so new respect,” a reader of Watts’ Beyond Theology (Pantheon, 1965) finds that the hip, Zen-meditated, LSD-expanded young intelligentsia of 1965 were applying their psychedelic insights against dreary old Dad by advocating . . . intelligent design:

    “A universe which grows human beings is as much a human, or humaning, universe as a tree which grows apples is an apple tree. . . . There is still much to be said for the old theistic argument that the materialist-mechanistic atheist is declaring his own intelligence to be no more than a special form of unintelligence. . . .

    “The real theological problem for today is that it is, first of all, utterly implausible to think of this Ground as having the monarchical and paternal character of the Biblical Lord God. But, secondly, there is the much more serious difficulty of freeing oneself from the insidious plausibility of the mythology of nineteenth-century scientism, from the notion that the universe is gyrating stupidity in which the mind of man is nothing but a chemical fantasy doomed to frustration. It is insufficiently recognized that this is a vision of the world inspired by the revolt against the Lord God of those who had formerly held the role of his slaves. This reductionist, nothing-but-ist view of the universe with its muscular claims to realism and facing-factuality is at root a proletarian and servile resentment against quality, genius, imagination, poetry, fantasy, inventiveness and gaiety. Within twenty or thirty years it will seem as superstitious as flat-earthism.”

    Well, he seems to have been a little off on that prediction; the argument is still valid, though. Archeo-futurism: who’s more “old fashioned” than a “free-thinking” atheist/materialist?

    More on Watts in my fore-mentioned book.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  41. Rich says:
    @anon

    Darwin was born in 1809, his novel was published in 1859, Britain already had expanded around the world, as had Spain, Portugal and Holland. The Russian empire was already at its apex, priests and all.The inventor of calculus, Gottfried Lebniz was a devout Christian. Cotton Mather innoculated hundreds for smallpox in 1721, I believe he was a pretty seriious Christian, no? Columbus, a big proponent of your “round world theory” was a devout Christian, too. So much so that he left his son ion the care of priests when he sailed the ocean blue.

    The industrializtion of the world was brought to you by devout Christians in the West, too, all Pale skinned, all found in Church on Sunday. The new crew has never set foot in a Christian Church and advocates degeneracy and leads the West into its steep decline.

    • Agree: Stonehands, FLgeezer
    • Replies: @anon
  42. @Katrinka

    “The Book of Romans begins with: I, Paul…So, according to you someone else wrote the Book of Romans and assumed the identity of Paul?”

    As Thomas Huxley said about his debate with Bishop Wilberforce, when the latter opened with a self-refuting argument, “Thank you, Lord, for delivering mine enemy into mine hands.”

    Self-reference in a document is ALWAYS evidence of forgery. Paleography 101. Why does Paul need to tell the congo at Rome that it’s a letter from him? Can’t they see his signature?

    In another place, “Paul” writes “See what big letters I am using!” Um, if you were reading the letter, wouldn’t that be obvious? Why would “Paul” point it out?

    In both cases, we have evidence of the forger trying to cover his tracks.

    The real author of Romans (i.e, the original document, which has been censored, added to, and rewritten by many hands to make it less heretical) is likely Marcion, or a disciple of Marcion, No hypothetical “Paul” is needed. See Robert M. Price, “The Incredible Colossal Apostle: In Search of the Historical Paul.”

    • Agree: Franz
  43. @Rich

    “Except that under the Banner of Christ, the Caucasian race reached its highest level. It was Christian Spaniards that conquered the New World, British Christians whose empire never saw a setting sun, Russian Christians who created a vast land empire. The first man to step on the moon, and the engineers who put him there, were Christians.”

    Except that He says simply calling his name won’t save people in the end. Those Spaniards and British who set up those empires did many many many many things that don’t fit Christian behavior. The type it is recorded in the gospels where He will tell those types in the Judgement “depart from me – I never knew you”.
    An same with the man on the moon… It was Nazi scientists who helped NASA get to where it got. Point being – religious banners mean nothing in terms of worldly power. In fact the bible says the poor tend to be more faithful than the wealthy. The weak more faithful than the mighty… Etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @F. Galton
  44. @AnonStarter

    “Yes, they were among those to whom God sent messengers, but not exclusively.”
    The Torah relates that Jethro the Midianite was the one who gave Moses counsel on how to form what became the “supreme court” of Israel – the Sanhedrin. Moses married his daughter…. In fact his sister Miriam (Mary for Europeans) was struck with leprosy for complaining that Moses had a mixed ethnic marriage.

    Europeans just seem to go crazy for racial issues.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  45. @gay troll

    “Have you read Paul? Have you noticed that he admits he is willing to say anything to get what he wants? ”

    False reckoning… What he was saying is depending on his audience – he tailors his message to make it relatable to them so he can get his point across… Which is why Peter wrote that many people don’t understand Paul because a lot of things are too difficult for people to put together and take him out of context.

  46. @Laurent Guyénot

    Thanks for the reply. I now see what your point of view is on that question. My apologies for the first sentence in my previous comment. It stemmed from a misunderstanding on my part.

  47. Rich says:
    @showmethereal

    You are certainly entitled to your interpretation of the Bible. I know the Amish and a few other sects agree with your pacifistic conclusions. Others have come to different conclusions, including those Pale skinned Christians who conquered the world and brought peace and prosperity with them.

    Werner von Braun, the great German scientist you referenced, was a Christian. As were just about all the engineers at NASA.

    How do you know “religious banners” don’t matter? History shows us the world’s most successful race was Christian. Maybe that means it does matter.

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @showmethereal
  48. I´m not convinced …

    Christianity emerged victorious from the Hellenistic/late Roman religious miasma but I doubt we can put together a thread any more than we can grasp the Axis of evolution (“orthogenesis”).
    All the mystery cults shared the archetype of the interestingly born, sacrificed and resurrected, law-giving vegetation deity –
    but is Mithras Jesus, Osiris, Tammuz, Ahura, Zalmoxis, Orpheus or who else?

    What we can see is the Neolithic Revolution (“Demetric phase”
    sensu J.J.Bachofen “Das Mutterrecht” 1869), further that Judaism is actively
    anti-neolithic (favoring the vagrant chicken thief over the hard-working farmer, the crafty impostor over the rightful heir etc.) and Islam a monotheist superstructure on a pre-neolithic substrate.

    Postulating a “conspiracy” would mean Jews invented work ethic and universalism in order for the goyim to better serve them, and – sorry – that´s a little too farfetched.

    • Thanks: gay troll
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  49. Phoenix says:

    Roman Christianity as a Jewish creation – that sounds possible. It helps explain why the new testament focuses on creating blind obedience to the hierarchy of bishops.

    If it was a Jewish operation, then why so much persecution of Jews by the Catholic church in later centuries?

    When doing research to answer the question for myself, “Was there a human Jesus, and if so, what are the facts of his existence?” I concluded there was virtually no reliable historical or archaeological evidence to support the idea that a human Jesus-type figure lived during the claimed period.

    • Replies: @Franz
  50. The foundations of your thesis are absurd.

    1) Nothing is more anti jewish than the new testament, which states explicitly in numerous places that being a bloodline Jew means nothing spiritually.

    2) Babylon in the Book of Revelations was Jerusalem, clearly and obviously, not Rome.

    Christ himself condemns the Jews as children of the devil, the father of lies.

    • Agree: Rich, gay troll
    • Replies: @saggy
    , @RadicalCenter
  51. joe2.5 says:

    They have all, by their own admission, confused God with Yahweh, and fallen victim to the Big Biblical Lie. And because they cannot conceive God outside of the Biblical paradigm, they ban Intelligent Design from universities…

    That “all” is a more than gross generalization. Very many (probably a majority, but that’s moot) of the people in positive sciences did not confuse the Christian divinity with Yahweh. Vishnu, shamanic animism, Buddha or Mazda, these people never had a tendency to believe anything, or an interest in any super- or extranatural forces at all, and would have rejected anything that, as children, they had not seen or touched. Fact is, such a systematically incredulous frame of mind from the start (as well as intolerance of authority, equally important) is a strong selective force for a successful pursuit of science (as the word is generally intended among scientists.) One Dawkins does not represent the mass of science people.

  52. I have always enjoyed Guyénot’s articles here at Unz, and this one is no exception. Very provocative, much food for thought.

    But I’m wondering how this article squares with some of his earlier ones, such as ‘How Fake Was Romans History,’ and ‘How Fake Was Church History,’ etc.? For example, should we regard Vespasian as being a duplicate of some Byzantine emperor? And while its effect on the Catholic Church is obvious and not even generally contested by most mainstream church historians, there remains the question of what sort of influence Mithraism would have had on what later became known as the Orthodox Church?

    I am also wondering how James could be regarded as an actual historical figure if his brother never even existed. Or was Guyénot not trying to imply that he actually did believe in James’ existence at all?

  53. Franz says:
    @Phoenix

    This is a good analysis.

    A good warning sign of a fraudulent system is when you are told, from the start, that asking for proof or even consistency is wrong or even sinful.

    Tom Jefferson was right to note that if any such god exists, he would expect men to question it. Otherwise why give humans the ability?

  54. Schuetze says:

    “This Barbiero explains with the hypothesis that, under the Flavians, the priestly Jews entered the Mithraic priesthood in a concerted strategy to take it over and Judaize it—just like they would do with Freemasonry centuries later.”

    I am really a newbie when it comes to all this Roman/Jewish subterfuge/history, but one thing that strikes me reading this article is the confluence between the treasure of Solomons Temple, where the Knights Templar supposedly got their initial wealth, Mithras, Freemasonry, Jewish infiltration, and the Phygians.

    To me it seems that all these historical forces seem to converge during the French Revolution, which of course was very anti-Catholic and very Masonic. Likely they were also converging during the American Revolution too, but in a less obvious manner.

    If anyone could tie this together and explain it to me, and how this all ties back to Titus and Josephus Flavius, I would be very interested….

    • Replies: @Schuetze
    , @Ann K.
  55. @showmethereal

    Europeans just seem to go crazy for racial issues.

    Some basic logic: If one holds that God is one and good and created all that is, he should also conclude that God would provide a means of guidance for every people. Such guidance as given to different people in different times may share certain fundamental characteristics, yet differ in many other respects.

    This isn’t multi-culti secular claptrap. It’s a conviction that arises from reason, which is the root of faith.

  56. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Expansion brutauity occupation forceful cinversion slavery ,yes . Those things occurred while Europe was devoutly Christian ,possibly as devout as was the early Chrstian fathers of Alexandria ,Asia minor and of Spain.
    No differnet than the Mongol.

    Christianity tried but failed to to prevent the establishment of the ’round world theory ‘. It is as Chrustian as claming hundred years from now that gay marriage was aChristian thing anf abortion was an apprived solution to incest ,rape,and to health concerns.
    Christianity fought against vaccination,agsinst calculus against womans emancipation,against evolution.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Wally
  57. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    Is this “Misraïm” freemason group the same as the Mithraism?

    “Most Masons, as still happens today, were merely part of a philanthropic society (16); however the rear of the lodges, more secret and powerful, led the others forward, in the direction they wanted (17). Out of them broke the ruthless and invariable orientation: exterminate all the kings and the race of the Bourbons, destroy the power of the Pope, preach freedom of peoples and found a universal republic (18). The Jews had inspired Masonic rites and secretly ran their obedience. The rite of Clermont, created in 1754, had been scattered in throughout Germany, by the outrageous Protestant pastor, the Jew of Portuguese origin Samuel Rosas. The three rites that divided the so-called Egyptian Freemasonry came from Jewish sources: the Coptic, from the Sicilian Jew Joseph Balsamo, who used the pseudonym of Count Cagliostro; the Misraïm, name of Egypt in the Bible, from the three Bedarride brothers, Jews of Avignon; the Memphis, from Samuel Honis, Jew from Cairo (19). The Jew of Lusitanian origin, Martinez de Pasqualis, founded the Rite of Elected Cohens. His disciple, Luiz Claudio de Saint-Martin, surnamed the Unknown Philosopher, founded the Martinist and was the creator of the motto that would run the world and become as the symbol of the intangible Modern liberalism: Liberty – Equality – Fraternity (20).”

    [MORE]

    Since 1781, the Jew Samuel Morin was the Freemasonry General Grand Inspector in Paris. Mirabeau, when in Germany, frequented the salon of the famous Israelite Moses Mendelssohn, which had made contact with the enlightened Jew Weishaupt. The Portuguese Jewess Henriqueta Lêmos, married to the Jew Hertz, drew him to the body of Judaism, out of which would be one of the revolutionary mahouts. Secret societies established the necessary connections and joints through two mysterious adventurers, who spread gold handfuls: Count Cagliostro, Sicilian Jew, and Count of St. Germain, Portuguese Jew. The infamous pamphlets against Marie Antoinette came from London, where they were made by the Italian Jew Angelucci, disguised with the name of W. Hatkinson. Organizing a smear campaign against the Queen in France was the Jew Ephraim (21).

    The conscientious La Tour du Pin recognizes that “in great social destructions that marked the end of the century and ended by sinking the throne and reign of the executioner, you can not distinguish which is the part of Judaism, Calvinism, Rousseau or Freemason, in such a way were hand in hand, with the same spirit and under the same flag, the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizens (22)”. Jewish newspaper Haschopet is more explicit and claims the French Revolution as “purely Jewish work (23).” Its suspected of Danton, who was called Jaques, be a Jew. Certain authors state that Robespierre himself was merely a Jew named Rubinstein. Marat was an escaped Jew adventurer from Switzerland. And the famous National Guard of Paris, one of the levers of the movement, was infested with Israelites (read jews) that handled it in the propitious occasions (24). Claviere, finance minister in 1792, was a Jew expelled from Geneva due to shenanigans, who made his fortune speculating on the Paris stock market (25).

    Jews fermented in all sectors of the Revolution: Haller, the great moneylender; Bidermann, Speaker of the Commune; Pereyra, whose real name was Jacob Judah; the two Clootz brothers, millionaires, one of which Anacharsis, the conventional, was auto-proclaimed baron; Isaiah Spire, Army supplier; Isaac Calmer, president of one of the revolutionary clubs; Benjamin Calmer, liquidator of the property of the Duke of Orleans, whose vanity had been seized by the Masons; Heyemen, who acted in legal means; Isaiah Beer Bing, adviser of the Mason La Fayette; Cerf Beer, judge of the Revolutionary Court; Hagen, member the Joint Surveillance; Da Costa, Portuguese, commander of the National Guard; Rosenthal, head of the Temple, where was incarcerated the Royal Family; Simon, the headsman shoemaker of the Little Dauphin of France; Calman, district commissioner; Kermen, prominent member of the Tuileries Club; Boyd and Ken, bankers and secret agents of England; Hourwitz, Lithuanian, keeper of the Library of the King’s ancient manuscripts, in possession of the best archives in the country; Mayer, the great speculator; Jacob dos Reis, another Portuguese, Leon Azur, Fould and Weisweiler, members of the Revolutionary Junta; Goldsmith, Laguna – also Portuguese – Benjamin Fernandes, – idem – Levi, Jacob, Trenelle, Elias, Delcampo, Brandon, Mardoché, Silveyra, yet another Portuguese, sent to the Constituent Assembly.

    At the Jacobin club, appeared the following jews of English, Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, Spanish, Italian and German background: Abbema, Bidermann, Bitaubé, Cabarrus, Doppet, Desfieux, Dufourny, Erdmann, Fougolis, Halem, Hesse, Klispich, Loen, Miles, Oelsner, Pio, Schalendorf, Schasvatv, Joung, Bolts, Coitam, Hanker, Kauffmann, Knapen, Mendoza, Mermilliod, Pulcherberg, Raek, Schluter, Scnutz, Signi, Stourm, Walwein (26).

    Will be necessary to add anything else? To complete the list, Emanuel and Junius Frey brothers, terrible agitators, members of the Board of Insurrection, Jews of Moravia, whose real names were Jacob and Moses Dobruska, which generally acted behind of a fac-totum, the jew Diederichsen (27); and the very mysterious Falc, Great Rabbi of Paris synagogue, damned soul of the secret societies, whose silent action only now is beginning to be properly studied (28).

    The results of the earthquake were uniquely favorable to the Jews, who, besides taking a big step in their march to match the Old Christians with recognition on equality of political rights, engrossed the furniture and confiscated wealth of castles, treasures of monasteries and churches, and most of the farm (29).”

    https://boards.christogenea.org/forum/historical-studies/modern-history/3315-the-jewish-role-in-french-revolution

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  58. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish infiltration of Soviet and of America after years of pogroms, wars , victimization by Nazi
    parrale the journey that Jews took some 2000 yrs ago to infiltrate Rome .

    it might seem impossible that Rome would allow . But west,white,Christian America did allow as the west ,white,Christian Europe was not allowing but hounding them out . Rome was duped . Soviet and USA were duped as well.

    Loss of temple to Rome was to common Jews was loss of religion with utter despondency and dusbelief . To the priestly class, it was an opportunity of revenge and secularization of belief.
    Secularization of belief would make it easy for the jews to alllow the Christology develop the way it did.

    One thing is sure that a similar reengineering of the society is in the offing .

    What I find is that so little information on the Jesus has never triubled any devout Christian to wonder how this was possible.
    Jesus is born,may have been counted by Rome,appears as teacher at 28 after rumors circled that John tge Baptist has said that the messiah had arrived . Soon we find 12 people joining him and accomoanying him to sermonizing ,healing ,observing him doing miracles and trying to understand his nature,dutues,and fates.
    After his capture and treatment by Rome, he appears 3 days later ,then disappears only to appear to a few again and disappear for good.
    Now the followers try to invite his presence by talking in tongues and by concebtrating on his thiught.

    They continue to stay within Judaism . They go to the same Synagogue and read same book .The differnce is that they also refer to Jesus as messiah.

    It will be the destruction of temple that woukd break the bond . This new sect would then write down memoirs ideas imganiation about Jesus whuch become as gospel which with letters become NT.

    Myth.miracle,inconsistency,contradictions are rife in NT. Myths have shaped and formed the basis of the birth,growing up,initian into messiahood ,and death . Myths have enveloped his activities as priest and mentor and advisor with incinsistencies and contradictions.

    Without the fire power of Rome,it woukd have reamined just another recycled episode of Osiris.

  59. Rich says:
    @anon

    The fact that devoutly Christian individuals discovered and used vaccinations, invented calculus, set out and sailed the round world is meaningless? That Christianity forbid divorce in order to protect women from being abandoned and taught love, kindness and chastity is much more important than what you call “women’s emancipation”.

    Anyone with a Bible knows homosexuality is forbidden and that abortion is wrong. Anyone who says what you wrote would only be pretending to be a Christian.

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    , @Franz
  60. @gay troll

    I read your essay on Simon/Peter/Cephas. https://gaytroll.substack.com/p/on-this-head-i-will-build-my-church
    Very interesting and puzzling. It convinces me that I should (have) read Joseph Atwill’s Caesar’s Messiah.
    I’ve read also your two other essays, also interesting. Regarding the name Yesu, Robert M. Price makes this remark in Deconstructing Jesus :

    By far the strongest piece of evidence for an early use of “Jesus” for a mythic figure is the so-called Kenosis hymn quoted in Phil. 2:6-11. M. Couchoud ((M. Couchoud, “The Historicity of Jesus: A Reply to Alfred Loisy,” The Hibbert Journal 37, no. 2 (1938): 193-214)) long ago pointed out a startling detail never even mentioned in the great number of exegetical studies of the passage. What he was alone in noticing was the fact that the hymn has the exalted Christ being rewarded for his humiliation by the bestowal of the name of “Jesus.” “Therefore he was highly exalted and given the name that is above every name, that at the name Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Exegetes universally take for granted that the “name that is above every name” is the title Kyrios, “Lord.” But Kyrios is not a name. “Jesus,” on the other hand, is. … Here is a fossil of an early belief according to which a heavenly entity (perhaps already called Christ, like the Valentinian Christ-Aion) subsequently received the cult name Jesus. In all this there is no historical Jesus the Nazorean.

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  61. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Why doesn’t devout Christian follow the directives on marriage, sex ,education of women, status of women, serving the military and why does it bother to listen to democratic leaders ? Church fathers and priests wise in Bible should guide their lifestyles ,live a communal life and question themselves who they are following- Esubeius,Athansius,Marcion,Auguistine,Cyril,Nestorius , Mani,or Jesus or Emeoror Constantine ? They should ask if they are following Alexandrian school or Asia minor or western Mediterranean, Manichian Theopphilus, Arian ?

    If Rome were even with many competing gods,so were Christianity with many different concepts and variants ides of Jesus ,his life, sermons,attitudfes and status .It was settled almost after 400 years of Jesus birth by Constantine . Meanwhile behind the scene went a lot of horsetarding illegal seizures and suppression of views

    One can be Christian as long as one says Jesus is savior . This elasticity allows anybody ready to take that simple plunge be called a Christian . It doesn’t make one more intelligent or stupid . I am not even gong to talk about Hitler.

    Lets talk about reborn Bush jr He was reborn in early 1990 . But his Thierry butchery and lying with mass killings happened after that and he continued to be held as a good Christian . Hitler would have met the same destination had he not lost . Columbus is a saint .-supposed to have ascended heaven and sitting on the right side of the God.

    Columbus ’s faith had nothing to do with ethics navigation . If he held fast to his belief ,he would have never tried even.

    Other mass collection of tyrants would come and shape the world but they couldn’t until they surpass the existing technology ,and find a better glue that holds the society better .

    So little is known about Jesus and so much myth is woven around that little knowledge we have , that one is forced to come to conclude a myth was born on 25th .

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  62. FedUp says:

    Thank God that this is finally being presented on a popular platform frequented by “white nationalists”! I was born & indoctrinated into the catholic cult of Judah.

    It took me over 5 years AFTER having consciously realized+accepted that the Jewish bible is untrue to start feeling free of the terrifying teachings of eternal damnation for so much as even questioning the various teachings of the volcano demon yahweh & his (probably) non-existent son rabbi yeshu.

    How is it anything but sick for Aryan parents to send their kids off to indoctrination camps who’s “teachers” & “priests” tell 5 YEAR OLD’s IN KINDERGARTEN that to so much as question the teachings they were presenting meant that the “all loving” deity will send you to a place of eternal terror & damnation? To teach kids that not only do we have “free will,” but that we also are born dirty wicked “sinners” but that this “all loving” deity also “has a plan for all of us”?

    To teach young children that not only do we somehow simultaneously have “free will” at the same time as a pre-determined divinely ordained fate, but this “all loving” deity knows all that was/is/shall ever be, including your own most personal innermost thoughts, BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK THEM? And that this “all loving” (big bad Jewish) deity is watching you, constantly. And if you are a bad goy, there is Hell to pay, literally?

    Talk about a recipe to create schizophrenia! I was 13 when I realized it was bullshit, which christianity most assuredly is; and yet, despite that painful but healthy breakthrough, I was still paranoid & irrationally terrified of “..yea bro it’s nonsense but, wut if!? Wut if it’s tru tho?” Again, it took 5 years before I began to feel healthy in this regard wherein I started to feel congruent to my own darn thoughts/perception of reality.

    Before I realized that christianity is untrue, as a young boy, I walked around paranoid believing I was being watched, judged, and that my innermost thoughts were being monitored. Thoughts I had yet to even think!!! I often had “conversations” with the “jealous & vengeful” volcano demon wherein I felt deep guilt & shame EVEN THOUGH I WASN’T ACTUALLY DO-ING “SINS.” I was worried I might have an automatic involuntary thought (((yahweh or rabbi yeshu))) wouldn’t appreciate. No, I didn’t literally hear voices in a literal sense, there was never any audible voice/s or vision/s perceptible to my eyes or ears, but with healthy reflection & the benefit of hindsight, I clearly understand that the process is deeply unhealthy mentally/psychologically/etc. It is a recipe for madness.

    I don’t have a problem with religions/myths that aren’t utterly toxic to our souls and which preach values/ethics which destroy our people. Religions that don’t preach self-hatred, love only for the Alien with hatred for your own, or toxic shame.

    Shame is a double edged sword…in all practicality, sometimes, it is (imo) legitimately the only tool short of execution to deter people from engaging in evil behaviors, but too much of it & it more than any other emotional state causes humans to become literal abominations, monsters. And the (((Cult From Judea))) absolutely pumps it’s victims chock full of toxic shame (& delusional style fear/paranoia/self-hatred/hypocrisy/infantilism/etc), and destroys many individuals who were born full of potential. It is a curse, a mindvirus, and one remarkably difficult to break.

    Christianity is the worst thing that’s ever happened to the white Aryan man, and despite as it may seem at face value, christianity is stronger than ever. Though I do not like him in a personal sense very much & I’m sure he feels the same about me, a man named Cesar Tort has made several extremely simple yet profound insights.

    [MORE]

    Christianity is not only a supernatural creed; it is also a secularized set of ethics. Liberalism is the bastard spawn of christianity (christianity’s ethics minus the raising worm food dead humans from the dead nonsense). As Linder notes, christianity is the original source of the individualism that has infected us & caused – among many other very bad things – a pandemic of malignant psychopathic Narcissism that has transformed vast swathes of Aryans into the body snatched zombies, full on collaborating slave golem of the Jews (who despise you & your kids with every fiber of their being).

    Zombies who lack the most basic self awareness…

    Take a look at many white nationalists, who go around preaching – very loudly & sanctimoniously – how much they “hate the Jews” while simultaneously lecturing & scolding “non-believers” that we all must put up & shut up & stop “being divisive” because we must worship crucified rabbi yeshu & volcano demon yahweh to be truly brave/honorable “patriots” like they insist to be. They are proud that they were traumatized and brainwashed wherein they live every moment of their conscious lives meekly enslaved to this hostile alien deity of who they go around saying is their worst mortal enemy.

    Confronting this stuff is just beyond them, cuz it is painful. No way Mommy & Daddy – who sent us to be preyed upon by mostly degenerate scumbag priests peddling fear porn, & self hatred, & hatred for our own kind & love for our own executioners – to children (& oftentimes pedophile sexual torture) could have fucked up & really let us down in at least one way!

    No way, “mommy & daddy were/are rockstars” who spared us the also traumatic hell of attending a ghetto public school…we ought to be grateful for that, and so we must just put up & shut up (& be a traitor cuck coward who worships the Jews). (Sheesh y’all, we all experience pain!)

    We are all susceptible to sweet denial, & it doesn’t automatically mean your parent/s are purely evil, but if we – the best of the best Aryans that are left, our people’s only real hope – refuse to confront just how god-awful & dangerous the Cult From Judea is then we truly are just a bunch of loser coward cucks a club of/for women, as that Cesar fellow claims, because if you give even HALF A DAMN ABOUT YOUR KIDS – YOUR POSTERITY – then the (((Cult From Judea))) must be smashed!!! You aren’t going to be sent to “hell” for starting to trust your own damn eyes; you’re already in Hell, but if you will accept this painful obvious truth, we & our posterity can have a much much much much less shitty existence here.

    What sort of deity – much less an “all loving” one – would forgive you for refusing to fight to protect your own children? Think you will go to “heaven” after death if you refuse to do your very best to motivate yourself & at least your fellow comrades to defend ourselves from a hostile alien tribe who fantasizes constantly & is determined to torture our children in front of us as they cackle like hyena’s?

    If there’s a supernatural type hell after death, how would you not deserve to go there for selling out yourself & your children by continuing to worship a suicidal ethnomasochistic “turn the other cheek…love thy enemy…reject your family (yeshua said this, ever read the damn bible!?)..etc” alien cult that perhaps you have tried insisting is not Jewish? It is Jewish, and you damn well know it regardless whether you will admit it or not. Grow up! No, your thoughts are not being hacked and no your bodyless soul is not going to boil in a lava pit for all of eternity for not “believing just cuz maybe its tru tho & i like fitting in anyway.” We Aryans wuzn’t da real hebrews n sheyeiiit, deal with it. Our heritage is far more glorious, and beautiful.

    It’s just despicable, the defining feature of some pathetic Aryan male who clings to the Jewish drug aka christianity (while usually loudly condemning ppl addicted to less harmful types of addictions) is he suffers from a profound lack of courage. And he is a vile cowarsly cuck like no other, because the christian Aryan (alt Jew) praises himself for his lack of courage by inverting the traditional understanding of it and turns cowardice into a “virtue,” while demanding the few of his fellow Aryans not actively strung out on the christian virus drug join him. The Aryan christ-cuck condemns and feels hysterical histrionic homicidal rage especially towards Aryan non-christians. Same as libtards want to burn heretics at the stake.

    As Linder has said, the most annoying thing about the supposed “pro-white” christ-cuck is that they do not even know the teachings & certainly not the history of their own “church”/religion. Think christianity created civilization itself or is where the first laws came from? Ever hear of Ancient (Aryan created) Sumer/Persia/India/Egypt/Greece/Rome? Ever hear of the wicked shit christians did to Aryans? Ever hear of the Dark Ages?

    My earliest ancestor to have come to the New World (N.America) came around the time of the Mayflower and he was the last surviving male of his family in Europe. He fled here due to the christian caused Brother Wars (in just one of those christian war over 1/3 of ALL Germans were slaughtered). Think that Aryans just instantly accepted/adopted/”converted” (aka dripping water on someone) to christianity? Wrong! It was imposed by terror, rape, and murder. By fire and sword. As Hitler said, “christianity was the heaviest blow humanity ever suffered….christianity was the Bolshevism of Antiquity.”

    Read “The Darkening Age” by Catherine Nixey & “Rome Contra Judea” by Evropa Soberana & “March of the Titans” by Arthur Kemp. It was imposed upon us by revolting non Aryan slaves. As soon as “pagans” were slaughtered & “converted,” christ cucks turned on each other acting like ISIS, and they’ve been slaughtering each other arguing about minor details of the same damn thing ever since, while in truth ALWAYS protecting Jews. Always!

    Think christianity “defended” Europe from the muslims? It’s not a stretch to argue that to the contrary, the Dark Ages – the breakdown of advanced technological civilization that christianity absolutely caused (“odor of sanctity,” aka never bathing,very popular among early christians, same as was kidnapping children & sending our brightest to monasteries to become nuts who didnt reproduce) – actually were what enabled the muslim invasions to take place in the first place. Anything good that happened since christianity was imposed by terror & torture for Aryans was/is a result of our blood. Did Ethiopians manage to create the same culture as did Europeans?

    If “true” christianity was ever “pro-white,” why then did Jews never try to destroy it with the same thoroughly merciless ruthlessness that they destroyed National Socialist Germany? Why do the Jews allow it today (ever consider they know most stupid goyim Aryans automatically dislike anything/one Jews praise & we automatically trust in/like anything/one that Jews mock? Reverse psychology? If you were a Jew, why wouldn’t you pretend to “hate & fear” christianity, knowing that by doing so you are pushing the minority of Aryans who do understand you are their enemy into a trap that literally has “sacred prophecy” that demands Jews survive on this world? Can rabbi yeshua return to Earth without the Jews? Without Israel created? Nope)?

    Why do Jewish banks help christians build churches if they are sooooo scared of christianity?

    If you wish to be a hysterical cuck by claiming that modern christianity is not the “true/real” christianity, why then did our race wind up in this position? Why did the church always protect Jews and allow them to charge Aryans interest (usury) while forbidding Aryans to do the same to Jews? Why did the church force the Spaniards south of the Rio Grande to mix with the red indians wherein the Spanish now are a tiny minority down there (this happened before Jews went to the New World in significant numbers).

    Why were almost all of the asshole traitor cucks who intentionally used all their power to make Germany lose WWII like Hans Oster or quartermaster Wagner (who lied to Hitler that winter clothing was being provided to the freezing German army in Russia & who intentionally did all in his immense power to ensure it didn’t arrive, he was the guy in charge of making it happen) motivated by “their faith,” by christianity. The head of the bomb plot (which took place on my birthday) to kill Hitler was a devout christian who definitely justified his clique’s systematic sabotage of the German war effort using christ-cuck ethics as the justification.

    The christian motivated traitors within sabotage definitely was one of the few things that made all the difference that caused Germany to not just lose WWII militarily, but caused Germany to be totally annihilated in the hellstorm perpetrated by our brainwashed cuck war criminal grandparents. Of course, Hitler fucked up by not purging the aristocracy and the high command of the German armed forces, but I still also give him a break, because he was one man against time, who repeatedly fought hopeless odds. And he got many more things spot on correctly than did he fuck up.

    Traitors were everywhere in the Third Reich (read excellent “Hitler’s Revolution” by Richard Tedor & “Hitler’s War” by David Irving), and most of them specifically justified their treason by citing christianity’s ethics. As Cicero said (paraphrased), “a nation can survive it’s fools, it’s dimwits…but not it’s traitors.”

    Back to the early “true christianity” church of Europe, ever hear of Sicut Judaes Non? It specifically prohibits any christian from harming Jews. As Linder has put it, you can trap the rat after it gets into your house, you can throw it outside, but you cannot kill it, even though the rat will not stop continuing to invade your house. Thus, under christianity, we have to protect ourselves & succeed literally every single time against relentless Jewish attacks, but the Jews only need to succeed once, and it’s game over for us, forever. We are halfway to permanent defeat. They are winning. That’s the truth. And christianity is at least 50% of the cause as to why we are the laughing stock of our own women and of the entire world…praising ourselves for letting savage cannibals who failed to invent the wheel to flood in & just take our women from us so we don’t get called names by other hostile aliens.

    Praising ourselves for allowing savages who were literally still stuck in the Stone Age a mere 400 years ago to come right up to us and take “dare craaakah bitch” – our daughters – and defile them. And mock us as they do so.

    Why are Aryans a minority of christians? Why are there more non-whites than whites who adhere to christianity today? Why is christian garbage allowed on television/radio/etc if its sooooo grave a threat to Jewry? Why are there churches everywhere in even the most decadent cities and why do they ALL openly hate whites?

    Can you name even just 5 actual physically existing christian churches from ANYWHERE in all of North America that openly are pro-Aryan? There are literally thousands of christian churches in my city of approximately 500,000 individuals alone. There must be tens of millions of christian churches in America alone. But i’ll include Canada too. Can you name 5 christian churches anywhere in the JewSA or Canada i could go visit that are openly pro-white & only pro-white? Just that. I won’t even require they name the Jews as our/their enemies.

    Does your church allow you to preach pro-white racialist beliefs?

  63. Franz says:
    @Rich

    …devoutly Christian individuals discovered and used vaccinations, invented calculus, set out and sailed the round world is meaningless? That Christianity forbid divorce in order to protect women … Anyone with a Bible knows homosexuality is forbidden…

    This just means Christians stole from the best: Ancient European cultures did all this first. Even monogamy is a pagan accretion allowing humans to participate with their goddess here on Earth with their chosen mate; in that era there wasn’t even a word for divorce.

    Not just vaccinations in primitive forms all come from cultures old when High Mycenae and Egypt were up and running. Brain surgery was taught at the academies at both Sais and Memphis when Zeus and Osiris ruled the Eastern Mediterranean.

    What we now call homosexuality was forbidden in most cultures also, but they wisely made exceptions when they knew it might arise anyway, such as in all-male institutions for education and military service. They protected their women and children with all-encompassing statutes such as pater familias which is where sensible exceptions could be made and controlled.

    But all this adds up to more than a rebuttal: European “pagans”* created civilization; some of the more brilliant ones gave us most of our lofty ideals. Christians simply plundered Rome on its way down and replicated, with NO improvements beyond tinkering and mimicry, which is what we’ve been stuck with ever since.

    * Robert Graves discusses the word “pagan” and the fact it has a false etymology in The White Goddess (1949). Gore Vidal discusses the underhanded stratagems Christians used to infiltrate and then dominate the Roman world in Julian (1964). Both authors read the original sources in Greek and Latin. The did not “attack” Christianity, they properly analyzed the phenomenon and allowed intelligent readers to judge for themselves.

  64. @utu

    Is that the best you can do, utu? I am disapointed. What are your arguments in defense of Christianity? I am sincerely interested. Can you tell me why it still deserves our support, and how it will save us? Are your church-raised children ready for the fight? Perhaps you need to take this article more seriously.

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    , @FatR
    , @Emslander
  65. @Digital Samizdat

    Regarding James, I suspect he was a historical character but never had a brother called Jesus. That would have been added into Josephus, and later into Luke’s Acts. This is suggested by the case of John th Baptist: most scholars who have studied the question (see my endnote 26) agree that there was a historical John the Baptist, whose movement persisted in Judea and then in the East (Mandeans, etc), but that the figure of John was fraudulently connected to Jesus in the Gospels. So I suspect that the same happened with James the Just, whether or not he was the Teacher of Righteousness of the Dead Sea Scroll, as Eisenman suggests.

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  66. Rich says:
    @Franz

    Whether in some cases Christians learned from past civilizations, or “stole” wise ideas from them, doesn’t matter. The point that you, and Mr Guyonet, miss, is that as Christians, the White race ruled the world and reached their highest accomplishments. As the West has abandoned Christianity, it has begun. to fall. Only by returning to its Christian roots can the White race secure the future for its children.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @showmethereal
  67. utu says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    “Can you tell me why it still deserves our support, and how it will save us? ” – (1) Christianity≠it (2) The fact that you can use the term “our” in unironic sense is only because of Christian identity even if only implicit.

    “Are your church-raised children ready for the fight? ” – What fight do you propose? So far you are just making some semi-coherent utterances that Christianity is bad because it is false because it was created as Jewish operation against Rome. What identity your neo-heathen children will have that would sustain them in the opposition to the Jews? Undeceived by Jews Neo-Roman identity?

    As I understand you, as not being Christian anymore, do not care about Christianity but you care about Jews. Jews are important while Christianity is not while being an obstacle in getting at Jews. And the only reason you want to undermine Christianity is because you think or just rationalize that w/o the shackles of Christianity you will be more free and thus stronger fighting the Jews. This is all about Jews, right?

    There was no other institution in the last 2000 years that succeeded in keeping Jewish influence and expansion in check better than the Church. The Church is not responsible for Luther, Calvin, Freemasonry, French Revolution, Napoleon, the Spring of Nations, Bolshevik Revolution, Frankfurt School. Each of those events marked the erosion of Church power and increased Jewish power. It almost seems that Church and Jewry were engaged in the zero sum game. But you think they were in cahoots.

    People like you, your ideas are not original or new, tell us that it was all a sham. The Church pretended to abolish slavery of Christians by Jewish slavers in Middle Ages. The Church pretended to speak against usury. The Church pretended to curtail Jewish proselytism. The Church pretended to speak against excesses of Capitalism and Communism. Only what Church did not pretend is when it spoke on behalf of Jews to protect them against persecution by mobs. Is this what you are dreaming about? That physical annihilation of Jews would be possible? At the moment you can’t do it because you are held back by the pernicious Jewish 10 Commandments which you do not believe but that those damn Christians are holding back people from following you. Yes, Hitler had similar sentiments about Christianity.

    Your believe that as soon as the plug from Christianity is pulled the power of Jews will receive a deadly blow. Through the wisdom of your intellectual inquiry you came to possess a secret weapon that Jews should fear the most. Are you in the hiding? How many Mossad agents have been sent after you a person who wants to bring down Christianity without which there would be no Jews? Perhaps they haven’t heard of you yet. So far you are not on the enemy list of RaionalWiki, SPLC, AIPAC and ADL. I wonder why. Perhaps they are stupid and do not know what you know that without the Church they are nothing.

  68. The Talmud says God….Yahweh?….reads the Talmud. I wonder if God….Yahweh?…reads Laurent Guyenot in His spare time…. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah!

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  69. bluefire says:
    @Jordan

    tVatican archives should be exposed to the world. Maybe this nut Pope will in fact do it.

  70. bluefire says:
    @James O'Meara

    Recently learned some think Paul was created as a counter narrative to Simon Magus.

  71. Biff says:
    @Levtraro

    Brilliant, and model prose illustrating how ID and evolution are endless circular arguments – you could sooner find the value of pi.

  72. Seraphim says:

    Conclusions drawn from false premises are false.
    The premise of Mr. Guyenot: ‘Christianity is a human creation’ is false. The irony is that the premise itself is Jewish!
    The apparition of his type of false teachers was predicted by Saint Paul:
    “For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound teaching, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths”, ”paying attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth”. He became ‘hooked’ to Eisenmans and Ehrmans and other ‘barbers’ and tall stories tellers.

  73. Druid says:
    @Rich

    Christian is not a race

    • Replies: @Rich
  74. Wally says:
    @anon

    Yawn.
    That would be slavery that black Africa engaged in and then enabled it’s existence in the New World.

  75. Schuetze says:
    @FedUp

    A very well written and fascinating comment, FedUp. It is very similar to what Yukon Jack writes in his comments. He is one of my favorites, and I will spend some time in the next few days reading your past comments too.

    Since you have clearly spent much time reading and thinking about our plight, can you elucidate on the role of Freemasonry in this giant Judean psyop? Hitler banned the Masons, as did Franco and Mussolini, yet the Masons would at least superficially appear to have been agents of change against the stranglehold of the Church on the ebb and flow of European civilization.

    Were/are the Freemasons, like the communists too, merely another Hegelian Dialectic subterfuge, or were/are they something else?

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  76. The author is dishonest in pretending he doesn’t know that his criticisms of the Biblical narrative have not already been dealt with, more than thoroughly, and quite long ago. It would be better to just admit that you don’t believe in God and leave it at that.

    • Agree: Change that Matters
    • Replies: @Albertus
    , @RadicalCenter
  77. dimples says:

    Guyenot finds Jews under every rock. When a Jew looks under a rock, he hopes to find gold. When a follower of Jesus looks under a rock, he hopes to find a mushroom.

  78. @James O'Meara

    Self-reference in a document is ALWAYS evidence of forgery.

    Sez who and since when?

    Why does Paul need to tell the congo at Rome that it’s a letter from him? Can’t they see his signature?

    Because the letters were read aloud to the congregation and Paul wanted them to know who was writing to them. This is the most common format for the Epistles. I think they probably didn’t care if you approved of their approach.

    In another place, “Paul” writes “See what big letters I am using!” Um, if you were reading the letter, wouldn’t that be obvious? Why would “Paul” point it out?

    Read the context and find out. It says why right there. Interesting how you decontextualized it. Yep, a real shocker. Never saw that before.

  79. @James O'Meara

    Ideas may or may not be problematic — however is dangerous is the western habit of reification. That is, to make the idea “real” & self subsisting, as if the idea is a “thing” apart from its thinkers.

  80. dimples says:
    @utu

    I’m inclined to agree. Prior to WWII, Jews were suppressed, or at least unpopular. I recall reading Jules Verne books on the internet and the late 19th century European anti-semitism revealed is extraordinary, even by modern anti-semitic standards. Much of this I assume was due to Christianity as well as the generally distasteful and ghastly nature of the average Jew. After WWII came the holocaust religion, and Jews were now a cool new protected species. At the same time Christianity fell away because of the continuing effects of its bastard child, secular humanism. So it’s not complicated.

    Guyenot, like all French philosophers, massively over complicates everything in order to appear more intelligent. This is normal practice in academia everywhere in fact, but let us not forget that the French invented post-modernism. Unless he can show that Jews invented this as well, it appears that the French are the greater sinners. This is sad because surely they are stylish and likeable otherwise.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  81. @utu

    If we had a contest counting non sequiturs and strawmen per post your last long winded reply would win handily. Where does one even begin to descontruct your multiple logic fallacies??

  82. @BSDN

    “That Christ was born a Jew is ultimately not the point,”
    Was he born at all ? I am no longer even sure about that…. & if he was “born” does the historical Jesus have any connection with the Gospel’s & Pauline Jesus?

  83. @Levtraro

    You seem less than convinced about the universe…. welcome to the club. (Of course , goes without saying tho, that the universe could give a rat’s arse about our convictions or lack of same)

  84. Hmm, if I didn’t know any better I would of clapped my hands.
    Who pays for you to publish this nonsense? Massimo or Pallavicini family?

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  85. I’m reading Joseph Atwill’s book Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus (2011). For some reason, it had escaped my attention. It is quite complementary to Barbiero’s, and contains a lot of additional arguments to link Christianity to the Flavians, who were great engineers of religions. Like Barbiero, Atwill thinks that Christianity was first fabricated in Rome under the Flavians. But, whereas Barbiero thinks it was fabricated by Jews as a religion for the Gentiles (more or less), Atwill argues that it was fabricated by the Flavian emperors (with the help of Josephus and other Jewish Hellenizers) for the Jews. As far as I have read, though, he doesn’t explain how it was finally appropriated by the Jews to convert the Gentiles, and there are quite a few other objections that he doesn’t address. I find Atwill overconfident with his parallel between Jesus and Titus. Yet it is a useful book in the quest of the inventors of Christianity. Here are a few quotes from my kindle edition:

    page 387 | sometime after the war between the Romans and the Jews, Christianity was created by intellectuals working for the Flavian emperors. They created the religion to serve as a theological barrier to prevent messianic Judaism from again erupting against the empire.page 13 | Following the war, the Flavians shared control over this region between Egypt and Syria with two families of powerful Hellenized Jews: the Herods and the Alexanders. These three families shared a common financial interest in preventing any future revolts. They also shared a long-standing and intricate personal relationship that can be traced to the household of Antonia, the mother of the Emperor Claudius. Antonia employed Julius Alexander Lysimachus, the Abalarch, or ruler, of the Jews of Alexandria, as her financial steward in around 45 C.E. … Though the three families had been able to put down the revolt, they still faced a potential threat. Many Jews continued to believe that God would send a Messiah, a son of David, who would lead them against the enemies of Judea. Flavius Josephus records that what had “most elevated” the Sicarii to fight against Rome was their belief that God would send a Messiah to Israel who would lead his faithful to military victory. Though the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders had ended the Jewish revolt, the families had not destroyed the messianic religion of the Jewish rebels. The families needed to find a way to prevent the Zealots from inspiring future uprisings through their belief in a coming warrior Messiah. Then someone from within this circle had an inspiration, one that changed history. The way to tame messianic Judaism would be to simply transform it into a religion that would cooperate with the Roman Empire. To achieve this goal would require a new type of messianic literature. Thus, what we know as the Christian Gospels were created. In a convergence unique in history, the Flavians, Herods, and Alexanders brought together the elements necessary for the creation and implementation of Christianity. They had the financial motivation to replace the militaristic religion of the Sicarii, the expertise in Judaism and philosophy necessary to create the Gospels, and the knowledge and bureaucracy required to implement a religion (the Flavians created and maintained a number of religions other than Christianity). Moreover, these families were the absolute rulers over the territories where the first Christian congregations began. To produce the Gospels required a deep understanding of Judaic literature. The Gospels would not simply replace the literature of the old religion, but would be written in such a way as to demonstrate that Christianity was the fulfillment of the prophecies of Judaism and had therefore grown directly from it.
    page 21 | intellectuals working for Titus Flavius, the second of the three Flavian Caesars, created Christianity. Their main purpose was to replace the xenophobic Jewish Messianism that waged war against the Roman Empire with a version of Judaism that would be obedient to Rome.
    page 32 | However, the New Testament and the histories of Josephus each imply that the Messiah was not this nationalist leader who had been foreseen, but rather a pacifist who encouraged cooperation with Rome. For example, consider Jesus’ instruction in Matthew 5:41: “when anyone conscripts you for one mile, go along two.” Roman military law permitted its soldiers to conscript, which is to demand that civilians carry their 65-pound packs for a length of one mile. Roman roads had mile markers (milestones), so that there would be no dispute over whether or not this requirement had been met. Why would the Messiah foreseen by Judaism’s xenophobic world-ruler prophecies urge Jews to “go the extra mile” for the Roman army?
    page 33 | A Roman origin would explain why the bishop of Rome was later made the supreme pontiff of the church. And why Rome became its headquarters. It would explain how a Judean cult eventually became the state religion of the Roman Empire. A Roman origin would also explain why so many members of a Roman imperial family, the Flavians, were recorded as being among the first Christians. The Flavians would have been among the first Christians because, having invented the religion, they were, in fact, the first Christians.
    page 34 | Josephus, in proclaiming himself God’s minister, also described an ending of God’s “contract” with Judaism that was quite similar to the position that the New Testament takes concerning Christianity—the only difference being that Josephus believed that God’s good fortune had gone over not to Christianity but to Rome and its imperial family, the Flavians.
    “Since it pleaseth thee, who hast created the Jewish nation, to depress the same, and since all their good fortune is gone over to the Romans, and since thou hast made choice of this soul of mine to foretell what is to come to pass hereafter, I willingly give them my hands, and am content to live. And I protest openly that I do not go over to the Romans as a deserter of the Jews, but as a minister from thee.”
    page 41 | Titus Flavius fulfilled all of Jesus’ doomsday prophecies. As mentioned above, the parallels between the description of Titus’ campaign in Wars of the Jews and Jesus’ prophecies caused early church scholars to believe that Christ had seen into the future. The destruction of the temple, the encircling of Jerusalem with a wall, the towns of Galilee being “brought low,” the destruction of what Jesus described as the “wicked generation,” etc., had all been prophesied by Jesus and then came to pass during Titus’ military campaign through Judea—a campaign that, like Jesus’ ministry, began in Galilee and ended in Jerusalem.
    page 42 | If Christianity was invented by the Flavians to assist them in their struggle with Judaism, it would merely have been a variation upon a long-established theme. Using religion for the good of the state was a Roman technique long before the Flavians. In the following quote, which could well have been studied by the young Titus Flavius during his education at the imperial court, Cicero not only prefigures much of Christian theology but also actually advocates for the state to persuade the masses to adopt the theology most appropriate for the empire. “We must persuade our citizens that the gods are the lords and rulers of all things and what is done, is done by their will and authority; and they are the great benefactors of men, and know who everyone is, and what he does, and what sins he commits, and what he intends to do, and with what piety he fulfills his religious duties.” (Cicero, The Laws, 2:15-16). Rome attempted not to replace the gods of its provinces but to absorb them. By the end of the first century, Rome had accumulated so many foreign gods that virtually every day of the year celebrated some divinity. Roman citizens were encouraged to give offerings to all these gods as a way of maintaining the Pax Deorum, the “peace of the gods,” a condition that the Caesars saw as beneficial to the empire. The Romans also used religion as a tool to assist them in conquest. The leader of the Roman army, the consul, was a religious leader capable of communicating with the gods. The Romans developed a specific ritual for inducing the gods of their enemies to defect to Rome. In this particular ritual, the devotio, a Roman soldier, sacrificed himself to all the gods, including those of the enemy. In this way the Romans sought to neutralize their opponents’ divine assistance. Thus, when Rome went to war with the Zealots in Judea it had a long tradition of absorbing the religions of its opponents. If Romans did invent Christianity, it would have been yet another example of neutralizing an enemy’s religion by making it their own, rather than fighting against it. Rome would simply have transformed the militant Judaism of first-century Judea into a pacifist religion, to more easily absorb it into the empire. In any event, it is certain that the Caesars did attempt to control Judaism. From Julius Caesar on, the Roman emperor claimed personal authority over the religion and selected its high priests. Caius Julius Caesar, imperator and high priest, and dictator sendeth greeting … I will that Hyrcanus, the son of Alexander, and his children … have the high priesthood of the Jews for ever … and if at any time hereafter there arise any questions about the Jewish customs, I will that he determine the same… 38 Roman emperors appointed all the high priests recorded within the New Testament from a restricted circle of families who were allied to Rome. By selecting the individual who would determine any issue of “Jewish customs,” the Caesars were managing Jewish theology for their own self-interest. Of course, what other way would a Caesar have managed a religion? Rome exercised control over the religion in a way that was unique in the history of its provincial governments. Rome micromanaged Second Temple Judaism, to the extent of even determining when its priests could wear their holy vestments. … the Romans took possession of these vestments of the high priest, and had them reposited in a stone-chamber … and seven days before a festival they were delivered to … the high priest … Josephus, Antiquities, 18, 4, 93-94 In spite of these efforts, Rome’s normal policy of absorbing the gods of its provinces did not succeed in Judea. Judaism would not permit its God to be just one among many, and Rome was forced to battle one Jewish insurrection after another. Having failed to control Judaism by naming its high priests, the imperial family would next attempt to control the religion by rewriting its Torah. I believe they took this step and created the Gospels to initiate a version of Judaism more acceptable to the Empire, a religion that instead of waging war against its enemies would “turn the other cheek.”

  86. FatR says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    What are your arguments in defense of Christianity? I am sincerely interested.

    I am not feeling motivated to make an effort constructing historical arguments against someone whose attack on Christianity is based on playing word games with textual evidence from the period whose very existence as a period of history he rejected entirely in his previous articles. The only possible rebuttal here is that you cannot have your cake and eat it, you cannot make any conclusions whatever based on documents from centuries which are supposed to be fictitious in their entirety.

    You are clearly unconcerned with theological arguments, either. The questions of religion only concern you insofar as they can advance or impede your intended struggle for secular power. (It’s not really clear what are your reasons, as a materialist, for siding with the clearly weaker side in that struggle may be, besides lingering indoctrination by some sort of national/racial mythology or the dominant power not wanting you.)

    As for practical arguments, your choices in the long term are as follows: Christianity or Islam. “Atheism” or “rationalism” when applied outside of a tiny self-proclaimed intellectual elite are just reversions to more primitive forms of spirituality, like the ancestor worship that was de-facto prevalent in Soviet Union, and those more primitive forms of spirituality demonstrably fail to provide any form of stable common identity. (When applied within that elite they usually are little more than rationalisations for sexual degeneracy.) The Chinese model of the nominally secular elite presiding over a crazy mix of sectarian superstition among common people has not shown itself to be stable outside of China. The only paganism that is or can be remotely relevant in the foreseeable future is Hindu paganism, and it’s not going to sell itself to anyone not already immersed in it, because it is too obviously ugly and discivilizational. So make your choice for the future identity of European people – or for whatever you think is the better ideology to combat the Jew threat – out of these two options, Christianity or Islam, and stick to it, or be irrelevant.

    Are your church-raised children ready for the fight?

    You are a writer on a marginal website for crackpots, waaaaaay outside of anything acceptable in the mainstream politics. You are opposing what – according to your writings – is the greatest political and ideological juggernaut to ever exist, which had utterly dominated intellectual life of Europeans since – according to your writings – the very beginning of accurate recorded history. And here you are, spoiling for a fight with some of the very few people who may read you at all, instead of dismissing you right away, as a cooky conspiratard. That’s totally gonna accomplish something positive.

  87. Articles like this one are rapidly convincing me that the Unz Review is no longer worthy of my time. This sort of fake-and-gay, century-old, Albert Schweitzer-esque anti-Christianity has got to be the lamest masturbatory exercise ever, and its Dunning-Kruger adherents are too stupid to realize that they aren’t the cutting edge revolutionaries they believe themselves to be, but yesterday’s derivative hacks.

    Sheesh. Somebody open a window.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
  88. @utu

    That’s a little better, but still pretty weak.
    This is an important debate, and my purpose is to put the Christian question on the table and seriously address it. As you say, I’m not the first to do it, and this is an essential issue to discuss. I’m willing to be convinced that I’m wrong.

    The fact that you can use the term “our” in unironic sense is only because of Christian identity even if only implicit.

    That’s true, I don’t deny it. I’m a product of Catholic civilization and I am attached to it. I don’t deny that it has had its some positive influence (and negative ones too, nothing is perfect in this world, not even religions). As I wrote, I wish it could still serve us. But I have come to the conclusion that it can’t.

    What identity your neo-heathen children will have that would sustain them in the opposition to the Jews? Undeceived by Jews Neo-Roman identity?

    I don’t know. I don’t claim to have the solution, except wait for the next cataclysm in survival mode.

    This is all about Jews, right?

    Well, yes, sort of. WWI, II and III were the result of Jewish conspiracies, and the destruction of our civilization was, to a great extent, engineered by Jews. You and I agree that Kennedy was killed by a Jewish conspiracy, don’t we? And it was a coup, the takeover of US foreign policy by Israel, wasn’t it? Who did 9/11? Etc.

    There was no other institution in the last 2000 years that succeeded in keeping Jewish influence and expansion in check better than the Church. The Church is not responsible for Luther, Calvin, Freemasonry, French Revolution, Napoleon, the Spring of Nations, Bolshevik Revolution, Frankfurt School. Each of those events marked the erosion of Church power and increased Jewish power.

    Exactly. And the erosion of Church power is now complete. We are left with only the negative aspect of Christianity. Something new needs to be built on this ruin. A new form a Christianity? Do you think it can work to convince those billions former Christians back to the notion that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and rose from his tomb ? It will not work.

    It almost seems that Church and Jewry were engaged in the zero sum game. But you think they were in cahoots.

    No, it’s more complicated. But certainly Jewish infiltration in the Church has been massive. Isn’t the current pope a Jewish creation?

    People like you, your ideas are not original or new, tell us that it was all a sham. The Church pretended to abolish slavery of Christians by Jewish slavers in Middle Ages. The Church pretended to speak against usury. The Church pretended to curtail Jewish proselytism. The Church pretended to speak against excesses of Capitalism and Communism. Only what Church did not pretend is when it spoke on behalf of Jews to protect them against persecution by mobs. Is this what you are dreaming about? That physical annihilation of Jews would be possible? At the moment you can’t do it because you are held back by the pernicious Jewish 10 Commandments which you do not believe but that those damn Christians are holding back people from following you. Yes, Hitler had similar sentiments about Christianity.

    Now you’re losing your temper. You don’t need to put words in my mouth. I have expressed all I wanted to express in my article. Do I secretly wish to exterminate the Jews? No. I’m focusing on exposing the Biblical foundation of their corrosive thinking.

    Your believe that as soon as the plug from Christianity is pulled the power of Jews will receive a deadly blow.

    Certainly not.

    Through the wisdom of your intellectual inquiry you came to possess a secret weapon that Jews should fear the most. Are you in the hiding? How many Mossad agents have been sent after you a person who wants to bring down Christianity without which there would be no Jews? Perhaps they haven’t heard of you yet. So far you are not on the enemy list of RaionalWiki, SPLC, AIPAC and ADL. I wonder why. Perhaps they are stupid and do not know what you know that without the Church they are nothing.

    Well, it seems that you ran out of arguments against my article, so you are resorting to sneering. I am not impressed, nor hurt. You think I am writing all this out of some kind of Luciferian French hubris? I am well aware that thinking and writing on the Unz Review is of little impact. Well, that’s all I can do. And if possible, I want to avoid going to prison like my friend Hervé Ryssen.

    • Replies: @utu
  89. Paul’s epistles written in the 50s,

    There is no evidence these “letters” were written before the middle of the second century. They were brought by Marcion who could well be the author. There is no evidence of the existence of Saul of Tarsis outside the Acts of the Apostles. It is very strange that some authors doubt of the existence of Yeshua, but not that of Saul.

  90. Richard B says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Intelligent Design is compatible with evolution, but is, by definition, opposed to what we call today Darwinism, understood as the dogma that evolution happened by chance or accident (random or accidental mutations filttered by natural selection).

    There’s a difference between what Darwin wrote and what people have said about Darwin in general and his Origin in particular.

    Since the name of Darwin has magnetized to itself countless ideas not to be found in the book, a useful distinction would be between Darwinian and Darwinistic. Darwinian refering to what’s actually in his Origin and Darwinistic having to do with interpretations and assumptions regarding the book.

    One great and typical source of confusion is the introduction of value statements into a descriptive construct, which is what Origin of Species is. Or, better yet, the misinterpretation of descriptive terms by ascribing a moral interpretation to the book and a moral intention to the author.

    Orwell wrote once about the importance of facing unpleasant facts. He even referred to it as a power, for a reason. It is a power. And one very unpleasant fact confronting the intellectual world ever since 1859 when Darwin’s book was published is this: only a tiny fraction of human beings can accept the fact that value statements can not be verified in the same way as predictive statements.

    Newsflash! Darwin was a scientist, not a moralist or metaphysician, and he knew it!

    Yet his book has been relentlessly subjected to moral interpretations and even metaphysical interpretations that have dismissed the book without even understanding it.

    Darwinism refers to what’s in the Origin. For that reason, I’m not at all that interested in what other people have to say about what they think is in the book. Especially when it’s obvious they don’t even know what a scientist is or does. They’re too obsessed with their morals and metaphysics to even bother finding out.

    But worse, it’s even more obvious that such people have no experience in questioning their own assumptions. This would explain why their statements are chock-o-block full of paralogisms, unconscious violations of their own logic. They’re simply incapable of self-criticism. It’s as if their whole world would fall apart, or their entire explanatory system (same thing).

    Darwin simply proposed a theory. So Darwinism can not be a “dogma.” Especially considering the fact that Darwin himself referred to all scientific theories, including his own, as a “mental convenience.” Calling his work “dogma” is yet another example of projection.

    The main argument for Intelligent Design is the complecity of living organism at the cellular and molecular level, and the fact that this complexity is based on information. By definition, information is produced by intelligence.

    What argument isn’t based on information?

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  91. Saint Peter and Saint Paul died as martyrs in Rome, also persecuted by the Jews, as recorded in the New Testament.
    Just like so many other Christians.
    Christianity was built on the blood of martyrs.
    The civilization of the “whites” would be a pagan barbarism that would destroy itself without Christianity.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  92. Seraphim says:
    @omegabooks

    God wouldn’t waste His time reading the Talmud, right. But what makes you think that He would waste any time reading the ‘charabia’ of the aspiring ‘melameds’ who don’t understand even what the Talmud said?

  93. noname27 says: • Website

    Even if we didn’t know what gang of professional liars Levi belonged to, their “God” would give them away: there is only one god who trained his people to lie and promised them world domination, and that is the god of Israel. “Israel,” remember, is the name Yahweh gave to Jacob, after Jacob lied to his aging father Isaac, by words and by clothing: “I am Esau your first-born,” he said, dressed up in “Esau’s best clothes,” in order to cheat Esau out of his birthright (Genesis 27:15-19). This is, in the literal—and literary—sense, the founding story of Israel. As long as Christians fail to see the malice of it, and its correlation with Jewish behavior, they will continue to play the part of Esau.

    So many errors in this nonsense. Jews are nothing to do with Jacob/Israel. The Jews are from Judah and his female Canaanite creature Bathshuah – see Genesis 38.

    Jews take their lineage from the female side, thereby neutering any claim to being a descendants of Judah or Israel. Judah’s true descendants come from the Semite Tamar to the twins Pharez and Zarah.

    Pharez and Zarah were the first Royal Judahites – Pharez to King David and Jesus Christ and Zarah to Ireland (The Irish kings) via Spain.

    Esau was disinherited by Rebekah, his mother, due to his race mixing with Hittite Canaanites:

    Genesis 26:34-35 (KJV) And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite: 35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.

    Esau also despised his birthright:

    Genesis 25:32-34 (KJV) And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.

    “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew’. The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all…”

    — 1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3.

    Were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Jews?
    https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/were-abraham-isaac-and-jacob-jews-part-1-the-beginning/

    Origins of the Royal Judahites and Canaanite Jews explained:
    https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/were-abraham-isaac-and-jacob-jews-genesis-38-royal-judahites-and-the-canaanite-jews-part-1-of-2/

  94. The author erects a pyramid made of toothpicks. Standing at the pinnacle, one feels it shaking beneath his feet, supported by nothing except air. No there there. Best to have a good yawn and go back to sleep.

    This essay is a typical fruit of post-modernism. It wants to arrive at some sort of “knowledge,” but cannot, since its raw materials for discussion are themselves the detritus of deconstruction.

    Nietsche predicted that such a crisis in “scholarship” would arise, “the twilight of the idols.” And that when it did, European society would disintegrate into nihilism, chaos, and war. This collapse is shown in the paintings of Ludwig Meidner: cities burning, ground upheaving, buildings toppling over. Since they have nothing solid to build upon, post-modern society and thought collapse in upon themselves. So does the author’s aery pyramid.

  95. Nisbe says:

    An interesting read although I don’t think your hypothesis is correct.

    I am curious about what you make of the fact that Jewish collective power has always been against Christ and Christians (still is).

    • Replies: @Jake
  96. Richard B says:
    @James O'Meara

    evolution (a concept Darwin stole from Wallace

    The Darwin-Wallace affair was an example of cultural convergence. Plagarism had nothing to do with it.

    To understand this one would have to know what cultural convergence is. Sadly, the Left, or Jewish Supremacy Inc. or whatever one wants to refer to it as, has hijacked all terminology so as to subject them to definitions suitable to their purposes. And they have definitely done this to the term cultural convergence.

    Cultural convergence is when individuals in the same culture arrive at the same solution to a problem, but independently of each other. They perceive the problem independently, and independently arrive at the same solution.

    The fact that this is a recurrent phenomenon, especially in the last 200+ years, is why the term was coined.

    Certain innovations emerged during the industrial revolution that became commercially valuable. This exaplains patent laws, which recognized two different kinds of innovation as well as the problem of cultural convergence. The two kinds of innovation were a novel innovation (the first of its kind) and an original innovation (one independently arrived at but after the first of its kind).

    Darwin’s receipt of Wallace’s theory is simply one of the more famous examples. The two theories were so similar that some of the phrases were identical. It’s exactly because this kind of thing had happened before that Wallace deferred gracefully to the older Darwin at the next Linnaean Society meeting.

    All interested parties, Darwin, Wallace and the members of The Linnaean Society all accepted without question the grounds of priority, the legal grounds established by the patent laws.

  97. dimples says:

    I watched most of “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” but cannot say that I was impressed. In an era of Climate Change Consensus and extreme leftist PC orthodoxy, the suppression of supernaturalist explanations for evolution is hardly surprising.

    There is ‘science’ and there is ‘Big Science’, an entirely different animal. We all know and are taught what science is, but Big Science, like Big Anything, tends on the one hand, since it has all the money, to produce most of the goods, but is nevertheless a bloated caricature of the real thing. If you want to be a scientific professional, and thus desire money and reputation, you have to deal the institutions, the journals, the grant organisations and so forth. Since it is the crud that always rises to the top, these institutions are filled at the top with administrators and the less intelligent of the scientific breed. So you are not dealing with ‘science’ any longer but a simplified political or religious version of the concept that is more acceptable to the administrative mind.

    Big Science has its ‘accepted wisdom’, outside of which it is heresy to inquire. Darwinism or neo-Darwinism is the accepted wisdom of the day, so it automatically becomes heresy to look at something like Intelligent Design, whatever one’s motive. One might as well say that it is a conspiracy theory. The scientific administrative class believes that scarce resources are wasted on the subject, so that is the end of the story.

    Cold fusion might be a similar example, which at least does not invoke visions of a supernatural entity meddling in his/her/their creation. I have read on the internet rants by physicists who believe that scientists otherwise legitimately involved in the subject should be summarily executed, such is the fanaticism which extreme scientific belief engenders. Since Big Physics owns the Universe and everything in it, this fanaticism is hardly surprising. The Old Priesthood has merely been replaced by the New Priesthood.

    In my opinion cold fusion is caused by an undetectable exotic matter contamination of the electrodes, but since Big Physics says that exotic matter does not exist (except in socially acceptable forms such as dark matter) this view is clearly a superstition. Apparently the EU has just coughed up 4 billion euros for cold fusion research. Lets hope they don’t give it to idiots, but unfortunately that’s normal for bureaucrats.

    • Replies: @dimples
  98. chuckywiz says:

    Great article. Good for learning. I am looking forward to reading different perspective in comments section. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
    Thanks

  99. GMC says:

    Sure seems like us so called Christians aren’t half as Afraid, of discovering the truth about History, as the Jews are – with keeping it – very hidden . And I love the word Merry Christ mas – and I hope it makes them, maybe skwurm alittle – knowing that we know that – they killed him. And we know they killed the Son of God because — We were taught that – for centuries. Soooo Religion or not – we hate the Hebes for doing that to a – good honest Holy man . And Revenge should be 10 fold – eye for an eye – at least. lol What a strange pack of old world degenerates.

  100. @gay troll

    There is no evidence of a historical Paul.

    Exactly.

  101. cranc says:
    @utu

    There was no other institution in the last 2000 years that succeeded in keeping Jewish influence and expansion in check better than the Church. The Church is not responsible for Luther, Calvin, Freemasonry, French Revolution, Napoleon, the Spring of Nations, Bolshevik Revolution, Frankfurt School. Each of those events marked the erosion of Church power and increased Jewish power.

    What is the church supposed to be responsible for if not the souls of Christians ? (in fact the yet to be converted as well ? ) If the church has not succeeded in checking the rise of Jewish power in the form of those developments you list (and thereby endangered the souls of its flock), then is this not the starting observation which leads the inquirer to ask, ‘Why didn’t it do so well?’.
    I am self admittedly out of my depth here, but just to throw in the observation of someone coming to these subjects anew, it is rather striking that the ‘Christian’ civilisation in which I live has had a Holy book on every shelf, in every legislature, in every court, in every school room and on every college lecturn which tells us of a God and His chosen.
    Surely the church had something to do with that ?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  102. cranc says:

    Would be interested to read of Laurent’s opinion of Rudolf Steiner and his assertion that spiritual science regards the Incarnation simply as a ‘spiritual fact’ regardless of religious interpretation or manipulation?
    He would claim that this is as observable as the electrolysis of water or the oxidation of metals to anyone with the requisite subtle senses.
    If this were true, would it affect any of your hypotheses here ?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  103. dimples says:
    @dimples

    Oops, that’s 4 million euros, not 4 billion. Can’t upset the windmill lobby!

  104. Ask Stephen–he should know—-Saul of Taursus was a rough man out for Christians—

  105. @cranc

    What is the church supposed to be responsible for if not the souls of Christians ? (in fact the yet to be converted as well ? ) If the church has not succeeded in checking the rise of Jewish power in the form of those developments you list (and thereby endangered the souls of its flock), then is this not the starting observation which leads the inquirer to ask, ‘Why didn’t it do so well?’.

    That’s a very good point. In particular, if “psychology” is the science of the psyche/spirit/soul, where is Christian psychology? Why bother about theology if you can’t even produce a psychology that tells people who they are? Apart from the writing of heterodox or heretical mystics, there is no Christian psychology worthy of this name, no Christian “depth psychology”, and so Freud had an open field. The only thing approaching a christian psychology is centered on guilt and salvation, and is partly responsible for laying the foundation for Western individualism: one person, one soul, one salvation. Catholic fathers such as Augustin fought relentlessly against all notions of spiritual solidarity with one’s ancestors. As I explained in “Israel as One Man”, the great truth that Jews have known all the time and that Christianity has hidden from us is that we are collective beings spiritually, and that part of our soul is collective. This kind of thinking is compatible with Platonism (check Rupert Sheldrake) but not with Christian psychology. The only collective soul that the Church talked about is itself. And to some degree, yes, the Church managed for some time to create a collective being, with the Pope as its head, but it did so by destroying all other collective beings, in order to have only individuals. Christianity has also destroyed the precious ideal of the hero, who gives his life for his community, and replaced it with the saint, who dies for his faith, preferable without offsprings.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  106. Seraphim says:
    @dimples

    Yes, the French are not yet fully aware of their massive contribution to the intellectual debacle of ‘Europe’. That they are at the origin of ‘modernism’ in the first place.
    But anyway, Jacques Derrida was “born into a Sephardic Jewish family (originally from Toledo, ‘crème de la crème’, c’est a dire! ) that became French in 1870 when the Crémieux Decree granted full French citizenship to the indigenous Arabic-speaking Jews of Algeria” (where does the French fondness for ‘Soufisme’ comes from?). They don’t love ‘l’infâme’ (the Catholic Church, that is). Neither does Mr. Guyenot, despite his ‘marcionite’ vituperations against the ‘psychopatic jealous Yahve’. Maybe he alights from the ‘Pays Cathare’.

    • Replies: @R2b
  107. Jake says:
    @James O'Meara

    It is either Christ and Christendom or Chaos, which will be dominated by Jews.

    Guyenot is for Chaos.

    • Agree: R2b
    • Replies: @Anon
  108. dimples says:

    “As I have noted in my article “The Crucifixion of the Goddess,” the love romance pattern is still apparent in the Gospel, where the risen Jesus appears first to his longtime follower Mary Magdalene, who, perhaps for that reason, was regarded as Jesus’ soul mate by many Gnostics.”

    I’m sure the opposite was true. Mary Magdalene was very probably an ugly mad tart who lived on the street giving head for food to casual passers-by. If she had been good looking at all she would have been appropriated by some rich man and cleaned up to become his personal sex object.

    The only conclusion possible is that Mary Magdalene was a horror-head that, once cured by Jesus of madness, became a codependent empty personality stuck to him like glue so that he, a polite person, couldn’t get rid of her. Sadly for Jesus, she is even the first person hanging around the tomb when he is resurrected, either by God or perhaps by aliens. Jesus clearly needed instruction on how to get rid of unattractive female hangers-on.

  109. Jake says:
    @Nisbe

    That is too obvious to matter.

    But let’s make your terms specific, precise. Jews always easily use Christian heresy, turning even fairly insignificant heresies into political and cultural tools with which to wage kulturkampf. So your second sentence should read: what does Guyenot make of the fact that Jewish collective power has always been against Christ, and against historic, orthodox Christianity, and against European peoples identified as belonging to Christ and Christendom?

    Then your need this sentence: What does it say about Guyenot that the basic ‘white’ culture he advances is one defined by the very anti-Christ and anti-Christendom associations that Jews collectively always support?

    Guyenot’s basic views are identical to those of Russian Freemasons steeped in 2 and a half millennia of Gnosticism who swore that a revolution against Tsar and Church, and resulting thorough secularizing of Russia culture and politics, would save Russia, including save Russia from predatory Jews.

    The evil Jews today love people like Guyenot because all they fear is a reviving Christendom.

    • Agree: Hockamaw
    • Replies: @Nisbe
    , @R2b
    , @Majority of One
  110. Belchazar says:

    Laurent would have Frodo burned because Tolkein has left Gollum in the story- need to wait for the finish before you judge God.

  111. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Josephus says that Jesus had four thousand brothers in Judea, not counting those elsewhere. Perhaps Acts had in mind that Josephus and Jesus had the same post, in that James was a successor to Jesus.

  112. @Richard B

    The manifest appearance of function and purpose in living systems is responsible for the prevalence of apparently teleological explanations of organismic structure and behavior in biology. Although the attribution of function and purpose to living systems is an ancient practice, teleological notions are largely considered ineliminable from modern biological sciences, such as evolutionary biology, genetics, medicine, ethology, and psychiatry, because they play an important explanatory role.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleology-biology/

    Is an interesting read!

  113. Cido says:
    @utu

    The fight against superstitions is worthwell. All superstitions, including Christianity.

  114. Schuetze says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    CAESAR’S MESSIAH DOCUMENTARY

    “Seven of today’s most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill, this documentary shows that Jesus is not a historical figure, the events of Jesus’ life were based on a Roman military campaign, his supposed second coming refers to a historical event that already occurred, the teachings of Christ came from the ancient pagan mystery schools, and the Gospels were written by a family of Caesars and their supporters, who left us documents to prove it.

    Dissecting the history and literature of this time, the scholars show that the Gospels are a sophisticated pro-Roman multi-layered allegorical text that could not have been written by simple Jewish fishermen. Noting that the history officially provided by the Church does not hold up to rigorous scrutiny, the scholars agree that Christianity was used as a political tool to control the masses of the day, and is still being used this way today.
    Much like the ancient era from which Christianity emerged, we are currently on the brink of an immense paradigm shift, and studying this history can help us understand modern-day politics, and give us the much-needed perspective for coming up with solutions to today’s problems, in order to create the better world that we envision. “

  115. Nisbe says:
    @Jake

    Out of thanks, so thanks!

  116. Rich says:
    @Druid

    You’ve misread my comment.

  117. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    the Jews have managed to convince billions of non-Jews (Christians and Muslims)

    Regarding Muslims and Islam,

    Please do not write about things you do not understand. Kindly stop publishing misinformation.

    Islam in no way shape or form accepts in toto the claims of Judeans. I know of no Muslim authority (past, we ignore all divine$ of the pre$ent age) that even remotely tips a hat to that notion.

    What you biggoted types in the West fail to recognize is that Islam fully innoculates a person against monstrous “lies”: those being “Jews as God”, and a “Man as God”. It reminds us that “There is no ‘god’ but The God, and ITs Messenger is Muhammad”.

    Muhammad, O “Goyim”, is called “The Unlettered Prophet” by God in Qur’an. That means The Gentile Prophet. So do take note: God ITself has Answered the Lie.

    Islam is the Answer.

    • LOL: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @Nisbe
  118. Mefobills says:

    As I have become increasingly aware of the resonance between the spiritual and the genetic, as well as of the Jewish war against White identity, I have come to wonder if the revealed notion of Jewish divine preference and predestination has not been a slow debilitating poison injected into our collective soul.

    In reply to Laurent,

    I’m on the same journey, and I believe we have discussed this, especially regards Sheldrake’s theories. Any sort of experiment that can be repeated is part of the scientific method, and cannot be dismissed. If one dismisses, they are not rational.

    The resonance likely requires a large number of people thinking the same way. Ergo, religion becomes manifestly important. How that religion is codified, should then occupy the thoughts of thinking humans.

    In terms of pressure and leverage, it is good to push on a force that is already in motion, and going in the direction you want. There are already a large number of Christians in the world, and programming them with new knowledge is easier than creating a new religion.

    The new knowledge is actually old knowledge. If you go back to the original teachings of Christ, there is not much you can object to.

    The old knowledge has been brought further to light by Hudson.

    https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Forgive+us+our+debts&updated-max=2020-02-04T09:58:00-08:00&max-results=20&by-date=false

    To say that Michael Hudson’s new book And Forgive Them Their Debts: Lending, Foreclosure, and Redemption from Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year (ISLET 2018) is profound is an understatement on the order of saying that the Mariana Trench is deep. To grasp his central argument is so alien to our modern way of thinking about civilization and barbarism that Hudson quite matter-of-factly agreed with me that the book is, to the extent that it will be understood, “earth-shattering” in both intent and effect

    It is earth shattering in that it up-ends Jewish usury, and puts Jesus’ actual words into context. It also reveals how to balance civilization.

    So, we will need a new bible, something like what our Jewish friends did with the Scofield bible. A new bible that teaches what Jesus actually said in footnotes.

    Solonto Croseus has also brought it to our attention that Thomas Jefferson re-wrote his bible. Jefferson’s frequency was such that he could not accept jewish usury and deception coded into the bible.

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/the-fascist-scale-revisited/#comment-4367937

    “To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other. ”

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  119. @brabantian

    Metaphysics, yes, but not a “religion”. I drew that conclusion after having been exposed at 15 to the Chinese T’ang Dynasty Taoist/Zennist Han Shan and the 20th century Zen writer D.T. Suzuki. My metaphysic is personal, not “Western”, and with full faith in it, I’ve practiced it ever since, nearly sixty years now, while continuing study as the number of volumes in translation increased.

    It is a metaphysic of utter simplicity: no rituals, no “rules”, no special costumes, no dietary laws… I think of it as the “Six-S Way”: simplicity, solitude, study, silence, spontaneity and simultaneity. “Simultaneity”according to me, is a state of consciousness in which the material world and the matrix of energy underlying and coexisting with it are simultaneously experienced. My “faith” is that said experience reveals the true state of the cosmos, a state of timeless Being rather than a dualistic “created” existence. Being IS.

    Read the Daodeching (Red Pine translation) and then read it again. And again. And again. No cathedrals will be built, but neither will those built by others be destroyed in the name of Taoism or Zen.

    It pains me to say it, but it is beyond my understanding how so many still adhere to the “Religions of the Book”, as in Judaism, Christianity and Islam in all their variants. I can’t imagine an exclusionary metaphysic being considered the one and only “Truth”, even by those who profess it.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  120. @Jordan

    You do know that the Vatican was built on and named for the occult “City of the Dead.” From what I have read there are rows and stacks of pre Christianity skeletons underneath the city. How about the obelisk built in front of the dome cathedral? Why an obelisk at all, since it is originally built as a tribute to the ancient Egyptian sun god? Some historians say dome structures built at near the obelisk represent the female uterus, and the obelisk represents the sun god’s wiener. No clue, but it seems awfully occult for a Church that wiped out our ancient occult religions. Throw in that the original Hebrews were likely Phoenicians with a cooked up modern religion to mock the beliefs of its enemies, I’d be surprised if there isn’t a child sacrificial stone somewhere built under an alter somewhere in the Vatican City. Also weren’t a good many of the early Popes from Venice? The original Italian mafia and perfecters of the usury. Sounds very Jewish to me.

  121. Emslander says:

    Historians generally agree that the imitation proceeded in the opposite direction.

    Hogwash! This essay is a brilliant confluence of stupid theology, bad history and unrepentant blasphemy.

    May Yahweh have mercy on your soul.

  122. Getaclue says:
    @gay troll

    Meanwhile in reality… — please tell the Egyptian Government which fully investigated and stated this DID occur — that there is “no evidence”: https://www.churchpop.com/2016/03/15/witnessed-millions-unexplanable-apparition-lady-zeitoun/

    This time She actually allowed photos to be taken, She has in fact appeared many times historically on behalf of the God you deny but no photos previously, She did so finally allow said photos so even the dullest “atheist”, or “gay troll”, would have no excuse for their denial of reality at death — zero. Such denial could only then be an informed choice with consequences Eternal.

    Previously in 1917 at Fatima She showed those She appeared to there Hell. So that no one could continue denying that it existed. Of course, they just denied She did appear — with Her appearance at Zeitoun, Egypt for over a year and the photographs taken of Her (not to mention the millions who saw her and accompanying miracles– my MD friends partner was there and saw her as a child) you can also take it to the bank She appeared in 1917 at Fatima and did in fact show that Hell is real.

    What exactly then do you need? A personal appearance to feel the wounds a la St. Thomas? This is worth reading– if you are really being honest in what you say — then make the “investment” and buy it and read it so you don’t continue misleading others as to something that has the most serious consequences possible?: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579181775/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    • Replies: @Rocha
  123. I have to admit to wondering if Christ was all a big psyop. Would our ancient tribes just let the Jews wander in if it weren’t for Christ? They’d likely be considered invaders just like the Romans. Also what little I have read on gnostic Christianity has fascinated me. It also makes me wonder how much the Bible was crafted for propaganda? It does amuse me how much Jews hate Jesus. He’s been their true savior most of the time. They really aren’t very bright, but sadly we have been whipped into naïve fools.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
  124. Guyenot’s book “From Yahweh to Zion” is a must read for anyone interested in Judaism, Jews, and Christianity. But what interests me much more today is the rise of Jewish influence in the United States since 1776 and in the heavy influence of Jews on the political parties. What can we expect from the Biden/Harris administration, where so many Jews will be in positions of power? What about all these policy makers who are married to Jews? Why did Trump’s attempt to inoculate himself from Jewish opposition by adopting pro Israel policies fail to help him in any meaningful way. Why are so many Jews in positions of influence outside the political establishment? Jews are the editors of practically all the famous NY publications, including the Times, the New Yorker, and the New York Review of Books? Why has Harvard had two of its last three presidents as Jews?
    Why is Hollywood so deeply controlled by Jewish financiers and directors? Etc. What happened two thousand years ago no longer matters much for those of us living today.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  125. Nisbe says:
    @anon

    Islam might be the answer for Muslim Countries, but Islam has no place in the West.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  126. I toured an Egyptian display at our local museum recently, and was struck for the first time, though it should have long been obvious, how religion dominated every aspect of their lives, in essence, what a religous people they were. And their civilization lasted for something like 2,500 years, and was an incredible civilization. I had to compare it to how irreligious we are today.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  127. Ugetit says:
    @anon

    I am not even gong to talk about Hitler… Hitler would have met the same destination had he not lost .

    You should have stopped while you could.

    What’s the problem with Hitler? He was, after all, trying to protect Germany, Europe and Western “civilization” from the vicious, gawdless, atheist, satanists, no?

  128. Z-man says:
    @Jordan

    Agreed.
    The lie that this is a Jew hoax on Europeans is as old as… the Jew. (As old as the internet at least) LOL!
    BTW, long live Bishop Williamson and most of the doctrine of The Society of Pius X.

  129. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Montefrío

    Islam and Christianity are not exclusionary metaphysics. But they are also belief systems, and that makes them vulnerable to human nature. Human nature is subject to the law of proteins, which are exclusionary, to the point of rejecting vital organ transplants than can save a life. There are Buddhists and Taoists who are also exclusionary. But not all humans have the same nature and the same limitations. It pains me to say it, but there are many who imagine they understand “metaphysics” but cannot understand “religion” and exclude it from metaphysics.

  130. Liza says:

    Johann Sebastian Bach wrote Church music, but he was not an clergyman, and his Ave Maria would sound just as great if sung to Isis

    Bach never did write Ave Maria as the song known today. Another composer (Gounod) took Bach’s first prelude (for solo keyboard) and glommed Ave Maria onto it. Should’ve left the prelude alone. It didn’t need to be hybridized into a Christian song.

    What was Mary’s contribution to the world anyway? Happily allowing God’s and her only son to be tortured to death. Wow. That’s not a person I want to hear nice songs about.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anon
  131. @Franz

    The one necessary and sufficient tactic to rid Europeans from the Zionist yoke is simply the ability of enough Christians to agree to what Jews have always maintained: Jesus was not one of them.

    And, the Old Testament is NOT True word of God as believed by Christians. Two contradictory Gods of Old Testament and New Testament.

    Mohamed!

    • Agree: Franz
  132. Emslander says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    What are your arguments in defense of Christianity?

    They fill volumes and libraries. They are expostulated at the millions of Roman Catholic masses said every day in every part of the world. They are sung without end at monasteries everywhere. They ended human sacrifice, slavery and paganism.

    Read the Church’s own histories, which are supported by recorded events, impeccable sources and persistent existence through persecutions, rampant heresies and idiot writers like yourself.

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    , @anonymous
  133. KenR says:
    @utu

    “Can you tell me why it still deserves our support, and how it will save us? ” – (1) Christianity≠it (2) The fact that you can use the term “our” in unironic sense is only because of Christian identity even if only implicit.

    Agreed. My first thought upon reading Laurent’s challenge was, “Who is this ‘we’ you speak of, Kemosabe?” Don’t know about you, but I am not riding in the boat with wormtongues. And disappointingly this is what we are dealing with here.

    Our view of the ancient world is indeed fragmentary and imperfect. On this very site we have interesting and compelling articles about how may have even had the basic chronologies wrong, to the extent that say Augustus and Diocletian were contemporaries, etc. And more scholarship than sources exist from all points of view – how trivial is it to construct any narrative in support of one’s various emotional or philosophical subsidies?

    Laurent’s thesis here is that Jews used Christianity to undermine paganism and replace it with something more amenable. A neat trick. One might reasonably construct an argument that this very site is an attempt by Jews to undermine both Christianity and Judaism. Yet another neat trick!

    I do appreciate that Laurent has presented this argument, however. The period and the topic are fascinating. I read it with interest and will continue to read his work. But now I know to take him with no small grain of salt, for I’m not getting the boat with a wormtongue.

  134. Since in the Old Testament many were taken up to Heaven when they died. Two were taken up without ever dying (Enoch and Elijah). The whole of the OT was about His people, God’s people.
    So since His people were being taken up to Heaven after death why the need for the New Testament? Why the sudden need for a Savior? And it just so happens the Savior is Jewish so the Bible claims. Nobody can now be saved if he/she doesn’t accept the Jewish Jesus.
    Nobody but the Jews benefit from a Jewish Savior. Seems about the time the Scriptures were made into paper books (with the Jewish Jesus) is about the same time white nations and societies stopped kicking the Jews out of their territories and nations. And now roughly 400 years later look at what the world has become.
    Despite how the Bible reads it’s my belief that Satan was the father of Cain. That “mark” on Cain was a big hooked nose and any Jew (perhaps too some who no longer refer to themselves as Jews) are descendants of Cain … of Satan as well. And the hooked noses of today are often removed by plastic surgery so the mark of Cain can no longer be seen.
    I’ve known some Jews who are good people and considered ordinary. However the evil Jews use them as a ruse by having us believe all Jews are just like them. I did believe that for over 5 decades until I learned differently from courageous former Jews who have abdicated from that clan. Churches and Jewry are in bed with each other. The Bible has been altered. No Christian organization, radio or tv station, pastor, Christian leader or Christian author never ever criticizes Israel or the Jews. In fact they embrace them tightly.
    I’m at the point in life where I’m not sure what to believe any more. Jesus could not have been Jewish because if he was then the Creator Himself must be Jewish.
    Concerning marriage in the protestant realm, every pastor is married with children and if he (now she too) isn’t he soon will be. Concerning the rest of “Christianity” it is a corrupt mess and the people are too brain dead to know it. “Love your enemies” the New Testament says then later it says you must hate your spouse, parents, children and selves if you “want to be Jesus’ disciple.”
    What to believe ?

  135. gay troll says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    How about the obelisk built in front of the dome cathedral? Why an obelisk at all, since it is originally built as a tribute to the ancient Egyptian sun god?

    I don’t know if the dome represents a uterus, but note the keyhole shape that outlines the obelisk. It is a classic yoni and lingam.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @anonymous
  136. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Wonderful article. Jesus was clearly fictional.

    I don’t know of a song “Ave Maria” written by Bach. A very well known “Ave Maria” was written by Schubert.

  137. F. Galton says:

    So we Westerners should dump Christianity and go back to worshipping nature gods? What foolishness is this?

    Christianity is an organ of Western culture. If you cut Christianity away, the West will die. The enemies of the West seem to know this, and so Christianity is under assault. With this article the author is standing with the enemies of the West.

    If the West is to be saved, it won’t be done by atheist intellectuals. It’ll be done by healthy, vibrant communities of Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, etc.

    • Agree: Hockamaw
  138. Z-man says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Also weren’t a good many of the early Popes from Venice?

    No. Next.

  139. R2b says:
    @Seraphim

    Very true Seraphim!
    Deconstruction and Derrida, I met before being aware of the zionist influence in Christian churches.
    A very strange thought disease, this post-modern philosophy.
    He had a forebearer in the USA, who actually was a nazi.
    Forgotten his name.

    • Replies: @R2b
    , @Seraphim
  140. R2b says:
    @Jake

    Really good point.
    Many of these Christianity critics, are doin the iewes job

  141. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Let us consider, as a working hypothesis, that these Jewish priests had a plan. They adopted the network strategy that had allowed their distant ancestors to infiltrate the Persian court and thereby regain their lost power under the patronage of Ezra.

    You have this completely backwards.

    First nonsensical assertion, and I say this as a son of Iran and a Persian, is to paint the Persian Kings with the same brush as these lesser men that have warmed the throne in various Western climes.

    One need merely read this entirely unambiguous declaration of the 3rd Persian Shahanshah (“King of Kings”) of Hakha-Manesh dynasty to apply a corrective to the latter-day projection of the “Jewish problem” of the Westerners to the Persians (who have -never- had a “Jewish problem” until 40 years ago.)

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Sculptures_and_Inscription_of_Darius_the_Great_on_the_Rock_of_Behist%C3%BBn_in_Persia/Annotated/The_Persian_Text

    It is typical of the Jew to wish to claim all glory of the world for itself. It is a rather sad spectacle.

    Here are the facts:

    The first Persian King of Kings, Ku’rosh (“Cyrus”) the Great, an Aryan, with Aryan beliefs, applied a new paradigm of governance of multi-confessional and multi-ethinic empires. A remnant, possibly Pheonician, of aristocratic captives in Babylon were sent to _bewildered_ Hebrews with the express purpose of creating a Temple State to contain Pharonic Egypt. These “returnees” brought with them an alien religion that (for the very first time in Judea) asserted that there is only one God, and that there are Angels, and a judgment, and a Resurrection of the dead. And a whole bunch of purity laws.

    Per the Jewish bible, this project spanned multiple decades, and multiple Persian Kings, and met with great resistance by the locals.

    This work-in-progress Persian Empire project (which the Jewish bible records as having fits and starts and required massive injection of capital and manpower from Empire into Judea), later mutated to “Judaism” after the unexpected collapse of the Persian Empire. These “returnees” and their priestly caste were known as Pharisee, Farsi, meaning ‘from Persia’!

    (The idea in Persian court was that each son of the “Cyrus the Messiah” would continue to give edicts to the “Israelites”.)

    While the Persian Empire was up and running, the Judeans’ “Messiah” was in fact the Persian Emperor (Isa 45) and the “land grant” to “Abraham” was effectively the Satrap of Judea, extending west from the river in Iraq to the one in Egypt. The Temple State boundaries promised by “God” via his “Annointed” Cyrus the Great to the ruling caste that this very king had installed in what is now Palestine.

    When the Macedonians and the Greeks put an _abrupt_ end to the Persian Empire, the ruling priestly caste in Judea upped the ante and started creating the fantasies of “King” solomon and david without any fear of censure from Susa (Persian Empire), and the rest of it. Whenever you read about all the nations bringing goods to the court of “King Solomon”, do yourself a favor and take a look at PERSEPOLIS. It’s right there in relief.

    It is a very safe assumption to take anything “Jewish” prior to the return of these supposed “exiled” Israelites as fantasy unsupported by any source outside of that tribe. Heck, we still have the boot licking letters written to Akhenaten (Amarna Letters), but please kindly someone show any of the fabled “letters” (((Josephus))) claims to have existed. There is NO historic basis to any of the Jewish fables. None.

    The end of imperial patrons of Pharisees, and emergence of a new Hellenic power, gave rise to a now permanent division amongst “Jews” between Talmudic and Hellenic Jews.

    This division persists to this day.

  142. anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liza

    “Mary” did not “allow” her son to be tortured to death. It was people. Are you people? Or are you something else?

    • Replies: @Liza
    , @Seraphim
  143. F. Galton says:
    @showmethereal

    Nazi scientists? Werner von Braun and most other German scientists joined the Nazi party because it was the politically expedient thing to do. I don’t think it’s fair to assume that these expat scientists’ hearts were all in with the Nazis.

  144. nsa says:
    @Ugetit

    “……….but 12,000+ words?”
    Yup. 12k words elaborating on the theme that chrissies are essentially jooie-lite tools, and both are charter members of a vile maniacal Cock Cutter Cult.

  145. Well?
    St Augustine did say it all.
    Human mind will never be capable to understand concept of infinity. Human mind will never be capable to understand infinity of time infinity of space infinity of volume of matter and infinity of energy. What human mind see is that everything has beginning, time of existence and time of the of end. That is why human mind created God because God could be the only explanation. Jews invented God who does care only about them. Than came Christians that invented God who cares about all human beings.
    Big bang is not really a beginning of anything. It is only part of continuous process that happened in our little place in universe.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
    , @Oemiktlob
  146. Oemiktlob says:
    @G. Poulin

    Agreed, but in brabantian’s defense he did not imply your brilliant and astute observation of the current state of affairs is any more acceptable or understandable to him either.

  147. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Being a spiritualist, and a believer in a “creator” , I believe that if every book regarding “Religion” in any form, was burned for eternity, we would have, like the saying goes “peace in the valley”

    If there ever was a definition of evil, or total stupidity, is to discuss totally unprovable fables, whose only purpose is for some people to have control over others.

    • Agree: Majority of One
  148. @FedUp

    Thanks for your insigthful comment, FedUp!
    Reading it is the proverbial sight for sore eyes. Raised Catholic in the (((communist))) Poland, the oppression I was subjected to (as a child and as a young adult) – surprisingly enough- was mostly due to the Catholic dogmas that – for some reason – reigned supreme despite the official anti-religious policies. I have under many years wondered why the communist regime could restrain its harrassment of Poland’s clergy to the few prelates with the audacity to be nationalist- minded. I see it now when the “liberated” Poland that has enthroned Jesus as king is playing the part of the great defender of European values. Recently even of the freedom of speach! Apart from the shoah/holocaust and corona-plandemic, I find Poland’s pretending to be a conservative – and by nationalists governed country the greatest hoax. Yes, Poland doesn’t take “refugees” from MENA, but the number of “experts” from India and Vietnam is growing, not to mention all poor people from Ukraine; all this allegedly due to a shortness on the labour market. Poles, are of course, still going abroad to make a living, not seldom to Germany, a country that nowadays is smeread almost as much as it was before WWII.
    Since most Poles are brainwashed by the in Poland specially elaborated/improved (?) catholicism, they swallow the lies about their country’s shortcomings being caused by Germany, because allt of significance (allegedly) is owned by Germans.

    As I live abroad (alas, in Sweden, a country where people have internalised the anti-White propaganda despite abandoning Christendom) I can look at what happens in Poland without the in Poland unavoidable catholic scales over the eyes. What I see is definitely miserable; a chauvinism founded on Polish Catholic chosennes. According to this kind of nationalism one is Polish if one was baptized, has a perfect command of the language and looks down on the “other”; Germans and Russians especially.
    Poles are once more used as a tool in the globalist game: Divide and rule!

  149. @Laurent Guyénot

    “As I explained in “Israel as One Man”, the great truth that Jews have known all the time and that Christianity has hidden from us is that we are collective beings spiritually, and that part of our soul is collective. This kind of thinking is compatible with Platonism (check Rupert Sheldrake) but not with Christian psychology. The only collective soul that the Church talked about is itself.”

    I do not understand how you could write such a thing. The gospel of John is a discourse on the Body of Christ in which all Christians are supposed to be part. Neither do I understand how anyone other than an enemy of Jesus and sincere Christians would publish this on Christmas day.

    How about an article describing in detail how the Catholic Church constrained the activities of the Jews throughout much of her history instead of doing the work of the Jews in destroying Christianity.

    So much of this kind of critique betrays a fundamentalist outlook. Such people can switch quickly from “belief” to “unbelief” but still remain fundamentalist at heart. Faith is a spiritual state primarily and not purely an intellectual affair, indeed the latter is a good a way as anything for blocking out the light through insane pride.

  150. Corvinus says:
    @Rich

    “The point that you, and Mr Guyonet, miss, is that as Christians, the White race ruled the world and reached their highest accomplishments.”

    By way of brutality, which you patently gloss over. Thankfully, we have the historical record to demonstrate the true nature of Christianity, and not you bastardized version.

    Bartolomé de Las Casas defends the Indians, 1542

    Now this infinite multitude of Men are by the Creation of God innocently simple, altogether void of and averse to all manner of Craft, Subtlety and Malice, and most Obedient and Loyal Subjects to their Native Sovereigns; and behave themselves very patiently, submissively and quietly towards the Spaniards, to whom they are subservient and subject; so that finally they live without the least thirst after revenge, laying aside all litigiousness, Commotion and hatred…As to the firm land, we are certainly satisfied, and assured, that the Spaniards by their barbarous and execrable Actions have absolutely depopulated Ten Kingdoms, of greater extent than all Spain, together with the Kingdoms of Aragon and Portugal, that is to say, above One Thousand Miles, which now lye waste and desolate, and are absolutely ruined, when as formerly no other Country whatsoever was more populous.

    William Jennings Bryan, 1899

    …It is argued by some that the Filipinos are incapable of self-government and that therefore we owe it to the world to take control of them. Admiral Dewey…declared the Filipinos more capable of self-government than the Cubans and said that he based his opinion upon a knowledge of both races…A war of conquest would still leave its legacy of perpetual hatred, for it was God himself who placed in every human heart the love of liberty. He never made a race of people so low in the scale of civilization or intelligence that it would welcome a foreign master…There are degrees of proficiency in the art of self-government, but it is a reflection upon the Creator to say that He denied to any people the capacity of self-government, and that others are not, and that the capable people have a right to seize upon and govern the incapable, and you make force–brute force–the only foundation of government and invite the reign of the despot.

    Furthermore, “white inventions” or “western science” or “Christian technology”, while noteworthy in their original ideas and innovations, of course owe much to gunpowder, paper, the compass, and movable type (Chinese), to the number 0 (India), and to the idea of a rule-based, law-giving universal Creator (Middle East).

    The rise of white people to jackbooting status, I mean bearers of civilization, was built on these discoveries.

    Keep in mind there are few inventions that are “purely” white. Take this comment for example. It depends on the Internet and computers – “white inventions”. But it also depends on the alphabet, a Phoenician invention, and the idea of writing itself, which in the West comes from Egypt. At any point in history, most inventions will come from one part of the world because it is the most advanced at that particular time. So while most important inventions of the past few hundred years were made by white people, that is only because they have been on top during that time frame. The Egyptians and the Chinese had a far longer reign compared to Europeans when it came to technological advancements.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @GeneralRipper
  151. Rocha says:
    @Getaclue

    St. John of the Cross very wisely advised Catholics to ignore all personal revelations both good and bad AS THEY ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION.
    The reasons being that all revelation ceased with the Apostles; personal revelations depend on the audio and visual senses which can be fallible, and they may be diabolical in inspiration.
    With regard to Fatima, besides being in the Apocalyptic tradition of the Puritans , do you really believe that Our Lady the Mother of God would not know who was really responsible for the errors of communism and that was certainly not the Russians!
    I hate that after the Church abandoned the Faith at Vatican II, the Faith has been reduced to a superstitious belief in the hallucinations of adolescent girls. I am very suspicious of anyone whose Faith needs the support of these visions.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Getaclue
  152. @Zarathustra

    Big bang is not really a beginning of anything. It is only part of continuous process that happened in our little place in universe.

    Did God create Space?
    Or Space created God?
    A body needs Space!

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  153. @Johnny Johnny

    Herodotus in the 5th century BC described them as the most religious of all peoples.

  154. Oemiktlob says:
    @Zarathustra

    “That is why human mind created God because God could be the only explanation.”

    I believe you’ve committed a logic fallacy here and therefore erred in the conclusions you draw from it. A simple illustration illuminates the error.

    Let us imagine a child shopping with his/her parent in a department store. Like most children as the parent peruses the merchants wares, the child occupies him/herself by hiding in racks of clothing and loses track of his/her parent and becomes frightened, crying out for the parent. The point being that the child obviously was aware and cognitive of the parents existence prior to being lost; the child didn’t make up the existence of the parent to satiate some want or need.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  155. @Emslander

    “They ended human sacrifice, slavery and paganism”

    The sacrifice of the mass perpetuates the concept. Jephtah sacrifices his daughter explicitly under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

    Popes owned slaves, indeed the Holy Office as late as the 19th century affirmed slavery was not prohibited or against the divine will so long as certain things were observed.

    The destruction of “paganism” is nothing to boast about but rather something to feel shame.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  156. “In xx, 9, Josephus expresses the same sympathy for James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ,” and presents him as a respected figure in Pharisaic circles: when he was stoned to death by order of the high priest Anan, it provoked the indignation of all those zealous for the Law, and ultimately the end of Anan’s career.”

    Just like Anan, the current troublemakers will get away with a slap on the wrist as well.

  157. Levtraro says:
    @phillip sawicki

    What happened two thousand years ago no longer matters much for those of us living today.

    Perhaps it matters because it’s still in the minds of so many peoples.

  158. IronForge says:

    Author FAILS at around AD/CE 70.

    His Source Accts of the Gospels being written are FALSE – because those Texts Do Not Exist.

    Josephus’ comments on Jesus was Fabricated. They were written in Anachronistic Prose.

    No One wrote about Jesus and his Disciples until the First Gospels were Published – in the 4thCE.

    The Earliest Gospels on Record were Completed Works Incorporated into the First New Testaments, which were Completed Works, which also happen to be Incorporated into the First Christian Bibles, which were Commissioned by Constantine and Published Post Nicea.

    Christianity was Fabricated in Nicea as a Favor to the Disdained Chrestus Cult. As their Texts state, the Believers became known as Christians at Nicea…because they were Chrestus Cultists.

    As the Empire began to Collapse, Christians took over and dragged Europe into the Dark Ages of Dogma.

    A Monk in the 6thCE Made Up the AD01 Chronological Order. Backdated the Hoax Birth 530 or so Years.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  159. HA says:

    What could possibly convince anyone to take this drivel seriously? You admit that you don’t believe Jesus literally rose from the dead. Isn’t that the more important “lie” you need to debunk rather than some downhill domino that is bound to tumble once that first one is knocked over?

    This obsession over how Jewish/Roman/Greek/Babylonian/Persian Jesus truly was reminds me of that Catholic theologian (a doctor of the church, if I recall) who puzzled over the anatomical implications of the Incarnation to the extent that he eventually concluded that Mary must have remained a virgin even after giving birth to Jesus. Mind you, I don’t deny that, not having been there two thousand years ago to offer any expert obstetrical analysis. Rather, I simply suspect that from the vantage point of the typical believer in the pews that Jesus purportedly came to save, it is counter-productive to spend more than a hymn passage or two fixating on the actual mechanics of something that ultimately must be taken on faith anyway.

    Whether one obsesses over the Incarnation by way of Mary’s unruptured hymen or else on whether Christianity, that vast synthesis (at the very least Canaanite/Judaeo/Graeco/Roman/Persian/Babylonian — maybe even Buddhist, depending on how far along the Silk Road’s antecedents Ashoka’s missionaries ventured, along with who knows that else) was in fact overly preferential, from a socio-political perspective, to any one of those innumerable influences, it’s all meaningless if Jesus is dead. If that is what you truly believe, then nothing more needs to be said. Leave it at that, and get a life. Otherwise, the very fact that you’re still shaking your fist so vehemently will lead people to suspect that you don’t really think the Galilean is dead after all.

    What an annoying waste of time you are. An illiterate peasant reciting his daily Angelus has seventy times seven times more profundity and consistency than an entire volume of this nonsense you’re trying to peddle.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  160. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jordan

    I think we can see the divine nature of the Roman Catholic Church simply by noticing her enemies over the past 2000 years.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anon
  161. Thank god I’m an atheist.
    Now that Christmas has turned to ashes for all you faithful, maybe a closer look at nature will convince you that all that grows and lives is God.
    As Mr Guyonet says, the sociopathic Yahweh has ruined the reputation of God and led to modern Western godlessness.
    Get rid of all ideologies and just look. You will find.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  162. R2b says:
    @R2b

    Paul de Man, was it?
    Anyone here heard of the bloke?
    I mean who was a follow influencer of that dubious quasi-philosophical movement called deconstruction.

  163. @IronForge

    “No One wrote about Jesus and his Disciples until the First Gospels were Published – in the 4thCE”.

    Nope. The earliest substantial critique of Christianity and Jesus is c. 175 AD. That Jesus was a historical figure was not subject to question. The rest of what you write is of a similar quality.

    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
  164. The idea that Christianity was a Jewish subversive ideology invented by Saint Paul to undermine the Roman Empire was entertained by Adolf Hitler, as it comes out in his Table Talk.

    • Replies: @utu
  165. Liza says:
    @anonymous

    Mary knew she would be the mother of the only son of God, if you interpret everything literally. She went along with the program – her own and her son’s horrible suffering.

    What do you mean am I people? What else could I be? Does everyone in the world have to fit into some tight little compartment where they have to buy the whole story including the worship of Mary as well? Geeeeze, anonymous!

  166. @HA

    “reminds me of that Catholic theologian (a doctor of the church, if I recall) who puzzled over the anatomical implications of the Incarnation to the extent that he eventually concluded that Mary must have remained a virgin even after giving birth to Jesus. ”

    As Jesus entered the world through a closed “door” when incarnating so does he repeat the same with an actual door in John 2o:19 post resurrection. There are Ancient Egyptian antecedents.

    • Replies: @HA
  167. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Laurent, your essays are a gift, thank you.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  168. @Larchmonter420

    I do understand your point.
    Naturally time and space does not apply to God.
    Everything about God said or written is only human imagination. Nothing else.
    There is only one point in history of humanity that could be scrutinized. That is the events after crucifixion of Christ. Were all those people liars? Were those people consciously by lying aware of purposely creating the new religion Christianity? (I do not think so!!!)

  169. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Liza

    Please explain how Mary could have prevented her son being arrested tortured and executed.

    • Replies: @Liza
  170. @Oemiktlob

    I am sorry! But I am unable to catch your point. The child was aware that he has parents somewhere.
    Stone age man certainly was not aware that there is God somewhere.

    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
  171. R2b says:
    @utu

    You should not include Martin Luther in that count.
    He had great hope, firstly, in the iewes conversion.
    When he, in later years learned about, what they taught in the Talmud, he reacted instantly.
    He understod the rabbis power over the little iewe.
    Full of indignation he raved against Talmudic Pharisaism.

    • Replies: @utu
  172. mcohen says:

    there are those,who in times of plenty make sacrifices to the corn god.

    these are the good years filled with the first and second rains.

    the rains cease and hunger and despair  demand the sacrifices of human hearts to the god of blood and gold.

    then there are those who look to the skies and choose to follow the rains as they move across the earth.they make no sacrifices to the gods.they have no need for them.

  173. ivan says:
    @utu

    Well said, utu. Whatever is the content of this article is old news to anyone who has followed St Augustine on Mithras or any of the old gods. It is really a tedious rehash of stuff that was stale even in St Augustine’s time. A fitting response.

  174. @Rocha

    Speaking of “hallucinations of adolescent girls”, what about Saint Joan of Arc? Was she a product of Vatican II too?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. Oemiktlob says:
    @Jack McArthur

    “That Jesus was a historical figure was not subject to question.”

    You raise a great point. If the historical Jesus of scripture did not exist, why are there no records of attempts to silence the growth of the early Christian church on that basis? Surely someone, somewhere (especially the Jewish religious authorities of all groups) at that time would have basically said “Hey, you guys are talking about a guy that’s nothing more than a figment of your imaginations.”, but there is no record of that. Certain people and groups wanted Christians silenced for other reasons but not that one. This alone doesn’t prove conclusively and definitively that he did historically exist but I don’t believe it’s the slam-dunk some believe it is that he didn’t historically exist.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  176. Art says:

    For centuries, the Christian faith has been a vehicle—one could almost say a superstructure—for our yearning to idealize and realize; it has not produced it.

    A great mistake of intellectual humanity is to see religion as one dimensional. Religions are viewed as human intellectual superstructures “connecting us to a deity.” The mistake is that religions also give us an intellectual framework to “connect to each other.” All major religions provide us with a philosophical method to live with each other.

    Jesus said “to love God with our heart, soul, and MIND” (i.e., religion). He also said “to love our neighbor, as we love ourselves (i.e., philosophy). Philosophies are a mind thing that guide our actions. Christian philosophy has an intellectual idealistic framework and structure.

    Loving your neighbor is an ideal. Jesus spoke words of hope, love, sacred life, truth, forgiveness, and grace. Those words are ideals. Of course, they are NOT 100% achievable – but they do not have to be in order to achieve success. Those Christian idealistic words are the engine of Western culture.

    Cold weather Northern Europeans need to be cooperative in order to survive. Christian philosophy is both individualistic and idealistically cooperative. They are made for each other. They form a push push intellectual biological structure that has evolved into Western culture.

    There is no question but that the Christian religion has carried the philosophy to humanity. But is also true, that it is the philosophy that has benefited mankind.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Featherless
  177. Moi says:
    @Franz

    I’ve been mulling whether there is an difference between the Chosen and the Exceptional since both have much in common. Therefore pox on both.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Featherless
  178. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    @Jake

    “It is either Christ and Christendom or Chaos”

    Which make about as much sense as saying that the world was nothing but chaos BC, and wherever this man on the cross has not been known.

  179. Oemiktlob says:
    @Zarathustra

    “I am sorry! But I am unable to catch your point. The child was aware that he has parents somewhere.”

    Yes, it’s analogous. If the child did not know that the parent existed prior, why would the child make the idea of the parent up from whole-cloth with no reference point? It doesn’t make sense logically. In other words, the child cries out for the parent because the child knows the parent exists.

    “Stone age man certainly was not aware that there is God somewhere.”

    Proof? This is just an assertion.

    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
  180. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I agree on the sentiment of your thoughts, but:

    “Their time is over, and they should be expropriated for their fraud.”

    Sorry – but they are alive and kicking as liberals. Yet another group that is to be saved by ‘faith alone’.

  181. @Jordan

    What a load of tosh. …You’re peddling myths.

    it’s what certain writers on this website do, sadly. they quote each other and use each other in bibliographies. it’s funny. to quote the writer: “there is no literary value in this prose”…

    just a mish mash of horeshiet with the same gay angry tone as nietzsche.

    hey laurent…cool it with your anti-romanism.

  182. ivan says:

    The article is a useful summary of why anyone who calls himself Christian should not go overboard with Judenhass. Christianity was spread by the Disciples of Jesus. They were Jews who saw in Him the fulfillment of the promises to their ancestors. Now Jesus is a materialised being, he had to appear in some form, the form chosen was as a babe in a Jewish household. All that exists has to have an origin and Jesus in His earthly form was a Jew. But they were already numerous indicators in the Gospels that His message of Salvation was for all men. From his apparently reluctant cure of the Canaanite woman, to whom he told that her faith had saved, to the Roman centurion who asked that Jesus merely orders and that his servant would be cured, and of who Jesus said he did not find anyone in Israel with greater faith than that centurion. He had alluded to “other sheep who are not of this flock” to whom the message of Salvation should be brought and gave the Great Commission to spread the Good News among the nations upon His Resurrection.

    Anyway among the best debunking of articles such as these are to be found in

    https://historyforatheists.com

    written by would you believe a self-confessed atheist !

  183. R2b says:

    Laurent Guyenot, this is also more about theology. To that you seem oblivious. That is the coherence between the Gospels and the Epistles. Luthers Sola Fide, pointed again directly at the Law that killed. The iewes formulated all sorts of escape and pilpul, obliterating the law. They should have stayed put with their sacrifices, prefiguring Christ. Instead they in derridian fashion deconstructed the law, and first oral, later written down, continously, for how long I do not know, maybe indefinitely, in their Talmud.
    Christianity is per revelation older than judaism and Talmudic Pharisaism. It is the oldest religion, taught through the prophets, and revealed in Jesus Christ, who created the World.
    It is centre core of western civilisation, and spread out to the whole world. Oikumene.
    It has abolished human sacrifice, and put the individual as equipped with inalienable rights, the woman got recognition, slavery or the selling and buying of humans, seen as despicable.
    All that you scorn, all that you do not recognize, all that is coming back, and all of you neo-iewe-nazis, are now just sittning down, regarding what you wish, developing before our eyes in covid1984-circus!
    What you preach for rabbi Guyenot, is almost accomplished!
    As long as the day exists, call for the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Soon it will be very dark.

    • Replies: @R2b
  184. Oemiktlob says:
    @Oemiktlob

    To put a finer point on it, while the child may go to a stranger at the moment of distress, the child will not be fully comforted by the presence of the stranger because the child recognizes that the stranger is not their parent. The child knows what the parent looks and sounds like because the child has seen the parent and recognizes the qualities and attributes of the parent because the “idea” of the parent existed in the child’s mind prior to the moment of distress in the illustration.

    • Replies: @Oemiktlob
  185. @ivan

    Jesus was a Jew ? Really ? That’s what the reworded Bible has us believe and that only benefits godless Jews in their quest for world domination for their father the devil. That’s where everyone must worship the devil, Jew and non Jew …… or else.
    Jesus became like Santa Claus, just send him your desires and wants and he’ll give them all to you. He loves everyone so no one is evil. All will be saved. That’s just way too difficult to believe.

    • Replies: @ivan
  186. utu says:
    @Zyraxes Rex

    Adolf Hitler was nowhere near as anti-Christian as Laurent Guyenot. Quite the opposite. Next to Laurent Guyenot Adolf Hitler was still a nice Sunday school boy.

    “Hitler’s Table Talk”: Troubling Finds
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/1432747?seq=1
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1639/32e5df466246c1b5c289181956049ef9832f.pdf?_ga=2.70057936.1598654292.1609186631-1479227351.1585524089

    The author shows that Table Talk texts are unreliable. There are many versions and many distortion and interpolations. And he concludes:

    “All this is not to say that Hitler doesn’t criticize Christianity even in Picker’s and Jochmann’s version of the Table Talk. For instance, again on 13 December 1941, Hitler argues against the idea of a physical resurrection and in favor of a spiritual one, and there and elsewhere he takes a very cynical view of Catholicism, voicing many of the same criticisms one might hear from a candid (and bigoted) Protestant. Yet even there he makes it clear that he believes in God, Christ, the immortality of the soul, and divine providence.”

  187. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    The key figure in forcing the Philosemitic Jewish cult of Judeo Christianity on the Classical Greko Roman world is St. Paul, the former Jewish Pharisee high priest Saul of Tarsus.

    The German Philosopher Frederick Nietzsche blames St. Paul/Rabbi Saul for deliberately creating a universalist, slave religion cult Judeo Christianity that kept the highly ethno centric Old Testament Jewish myths that Jews were God’s Chosen People and this Jewish tribal God Jehovah spread plagues to the Egyptian children, parted the Red Sea to get his Chosen Israelites to flee that Egyptians (definitely not God’s Chosen People) and do other horrible anti Gentile things like slaughter all the Persians in the Jewish holiday of Purim.

    Grimstad’s Anti Zion features this Nietzsche quote about early Christianity:

    “The Point to remember here is that you are amongst Jews, that’s the key if one is not to lose the scent. Better to hob nob with Polish Jewish than with early Christians, neither smells good” (Something Like that – well go to the English translation yourself)

    http://www.colchestercollection.com/titles/pdf/A/antizion.pdf

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Anon
  188. @Dube

    “Information” in Creationistspeak is the immaterial quality of the way material things are arranged – as their basic (fallacious) claim is sensible information cannot form spontaneously; insofar as they only claim gradualism is an oversimplification, it is not utter bovine feces 😀

  189. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think we can see the divine nature of the Roman Catholic Church simply by noticing her enemies over the past 2000 years.

    I notice that she’s been a friend to, and refuge for, child fuckers – truly a testament to the ‘divine’ nature and character of Yahweh as revealed in the Torah.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @HA
    , @Anonymous
  190. utu says:
    @ivan

    Thanks for the link. They do not have an entry matching Laurent Guyenot’s atheism. Laurent Guyenot’s atheism should be called False Flag Atheism because (1) it is not about atheism and (2) it is strictly anti-Christian attack under the banner of anti-Judaism and anti-Semitism. Unlike Freud who was in touch with his deepest motives by dreaming about being Hannibal who would destroy Rome Laurent Guyenot, if indeed acting in good faith must be clueless,. A patsy, a useful idiot.

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  191. HA says:
    @Jack McArthur

    “There are Ancient Egyptian antecedents.”

    Ah yes, I should have added Egyptian to that already lengthy list of Canaanite/Judeo/Roman/…. influences. Apart from that, I already said that I do not presume to refute (or even understand) a theologian as elevated as Alphonsus Liguori, except to say that if you or I were to reduce the Incarnation to a bizarre fixation on the physical parameters of Mary’s hymen we’d be about as wrongheaded as the author of this silly article.

    In Christianity, anyone who aspires to greatness must serve the rest. Whatever claim any Jews have to “rule over mankind” in any other manner does not come by way of Jesus’ teachings, whatever bizarre fixations afflict the author.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  192. @ivan

    Anyway among the best debunking of articles such as these are to be found in

    https://historyforatheists.com

    written by would you believe a self-confessed atheist !

    Thanks for the interesting and useful link. A clip from the site about “rationalist” blogger Tim O’Neill follows:

    ‘After over ten years of seeing supposed “rationalists”, most of them with no background in or even knowledge of history, using patent pseudo history as the basis for arguments against and attacks on religion, I felt someone needed to start correcting the popular misconceptions about history which are rife among many vocal atheist activists.’

    Much discussion of Jesus mythicism on the site. Jesus is no myth. His death and Resurrection open the Door to communion with God and eternal life for those who repent. “Blessed is he who has My Word and keeps My Word.”

    If one wants physical evidence for Christ, they should examine the photographic evidence for His Resurrection on sites like Shroud.com. The evidence transcends any understanding of physics and will shake the most hardened skepticism.

    For the Feast of His Nativity, “Christ is born—Glorify Him!”

    • Replies: @ivan
  193. @Jack McArthur

    Well it’s real shame you can’t do some time travel and go back to live with those pagans, Jack. That would be a real hoot.

    You’d be lucky if you lasted a couple of days, before the bitching started.

    Same with the Lefty gals who idolize the Injuns…lol

    What Christian Civilization has given the world is priceless and the debt can NEVER be repaid. Problem is you’re too stupid/egotistical to realize it.

    The least you can do is be thankful for it.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Troll: gay troll
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  194. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brás Cubas

    Speaking of “hallucinations of adolescent girls”, what about Saint Joan of Arc? Was she a product of Vatican II too?

    Why are trads so often such uncharitable heresy hunters?

    I can think of another young girl from Normandy as well. A girl whom Pope St. Pius X (hero of the Sedevacantists) said was “the greatest saint of modern times.” At the age of 13 she was dragged away from Leo XIII by papal guards when she pleaded with him to allow her to enter the Carmelites. That girl went on to become St. Thérèse of Lisieux, who with no formal education and an early death at 24, became one of only 36 Doctors of the Church.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  195. utu says:
    @R2b

    Maybe. It seems that Martin Luther was acting in a good faith and he did not intend all the consequences of what he started and even some claim that he was instigated by an idea of salvation for Jews (like Jan Hus) and that’s why he turned against Jews in the end when he realized it was a lie, however ignorance usually is not a mitigating circumstance.

    • Replies: @R2b
  196. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    So what? As usual, you forgot to state your conclusions, or the way you reached them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  197. One would think that having such tremendous power for a the last few thousand years or so, “the Jews” might have something to show for it. Yet nothing is evident, and everything appears to the contrary.

    Their members are not even one-half of 1% of the current world population. Their modern homeland might as well be a penal colony, given the existential hostility of its general environs. As a nation they are not currently self-sufficient and depend on the political and military charity of foreign populations. They have fared very badly at decisive points in history where, if they had any real political influence, they might have prevented the various calamities and catastrophes of their race. They are unable to practice their religion, which forms their identity, even in their homeland, for they have no temple and have no prospect of regaining one. Many people hate their entire race since some of their members are pretty good at banking, science, entertaining the goyim, and at broadcasting and printing the news. Their conspiracy does not seem to be doing them much good as a whole.

  198. utu says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    ” I want to avoid going to prison ” – You have nothing to worry about. Attacking Christianity even under the anti-Jewish banner in this Jewish Zeitgeist is the safest intellectual endeavor one can think of. Leading the Judeo-skeptics to their doom even might be rewarded, perhaps.

    • Agree: ivan
  199. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    The Torah of the Jews of Ancient Rome.

    Tal Ilan

    Jewish Studies Quarterly
    Vol. 16, No. 4 (2009), pp. 363-395

    Offers a lot of telltale clues to the rise of the Jewish emigre to the tier of Roman elite .Rome was to them a cultural political and financial center .Libraries housed Jewish books and even scroll .

    They wrote about geography local culture arts poetry theater Jewish wars but did not write anything about the Jewish life post 1 st century CE .
    But there are more than Jewish 600 catacombs with simple rudimentary information inscribed in stones dating from those early centuries in Rome.

    What happened to the community after Roman decline couldn’t t be ascertained from any contemporaneous evidence

  200. Agent76 says:

    MARCH 22, 2017 Science Confirms Biblical Creation

    Ironically, many scientists attempt to disprove the Bible using disciplines like genetics and geology. But these fields continue to produce research that confirms the Bible. What steps should we take to promote biblical creation? What has science revealed?

    https://www.icr.org/article/science-confirms-biblical-creation

    Dec 5, 2020 IRAN: From Atheist to Persecuted Pastor

    When Robert Aserian first prayed to Jesus, it was an atheist’s prayer: I don’t know if you are real, Jesus, but if You are please show Yourself to me. Jesus answered that prayer, and Robert has been following Him passionately—and encouraging others, including Iranian Muslims, also to follow—ever since. He even taught a class on Christian theology to Islamic clergy members.

    The Resurrection Painting

    Artist Ron DiCianni who is known for his murals of Christianity discusses The Resurrection Painting which he was recently commissioned to paint. Painting The Resurrection took Ron two years to complete due to the murals size and level of detail.

  201. @utu

    Because I don’t believe God chose the Jews, I am an atheist? Because I refuse to think of God as having anything in common with the biblical Yahweh, I am an atheist? Because I don’t believe Jesus is God, I am an atheist? And if I declare I’m a theist, that proves I’m an atheist? You should write Christianity for Dummies

    • Agree: gay troll, Gulnare
  202. ivan says:
    @John Q Duped

    You have to follow the rules :

    “If anyone keeps my commandments, My Father and I would sup with him”. Its pretty demanding stuff, not at all wishy-washy.

    Well it was Jesus Himself who told some of the Jews that their father was the Devil, and that had God wanted He could have made of the very stones the Jewish people. So Jesus was not very much into the Chosen People rhetoric.

    Although a Jew he was from the Sea of Galilee, well known for its openness to foreign influence. There were many books that the Disciples and their successors could have chosen to add to the biblical canon, but they chose those that showed that God delivers on Salvation. The Christian Bible has to be read that way by believers, as that was the way the Disciples intended the coherence of their account to come across.

    • Replies: @John Q Duped
  203. @HA

    As it happens the name you use has an Ancient Egyptian antecedent:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha_(mythology)

    • Thanks: HA
  204. ivan says:
    @anonymous

    Yeah well that makes St Paul a foundational figure in world history. It should be better known that the Pauline synthesis of Greek and Jewish thought and beliefs in the context of the reach of the Roman Empire, laid the foundation of Western Civ, when it was becoming moribund with decadence. It was not Christians who defeated Rome by force of arms, it was the barbarian invaders. But without the Christianisation of the barbarians, achieved through great sacrifices by the missionaries, there would be no Western Civilisation to speak of. Not for nothing did Jesus throw Saul down his horse, to turn him into motormouth Paul. He was the right man for the job, a man in a million.

  205. Oemiktlob says:
    @Oemiktlob

    In other words, how could the child conceive and recognize the parent unless the parent existed prior to the child?

    You’ve put the cart before the horse.

  206. @GeneralRipper

    Which points do you disagree with and what evidence do you have? I can back up with scholarly sources what I have written. Based on your previous comments can I assume you are a homosexual in denial?

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  207. @Corvinus

    By way of brutality, which you patently gloss over. Thankfully, we have the historical record to demonstrate the true nature of Christianity, and not you bastardized version.

    Actually, brutality was usually resorted to last and most times with restraint ( compared to what is recorded with regard to the pagan world ).

    Christian charity did much more than force of arms could ever hope to do.

    Once again we see you in the act of blatant lying.

    Do you ever tire of it, Cuckvinus?

  208. ivan says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Tim O’Neill clears the clutter, sometimes the boulders thrown up by various would be debunkers of the historicity of Jesus, and the wailers who blame everything on Christians from the eclipse of paganism to the spread of ignorance. He himself may not believe in Christianity, but his blog is a treasure trove for those who want to debunk much of the anti-Christian propaganda whether from the atheists or those who claim to follow a higher form of religion.

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  209. HA says:
    @Anon

    “I notice that she’s been a friend to, and refuge for, child f*ckers…”

    Ah yes, if the truth isn’t enough to bring down the Catholics, you can always resort to Black Legends and such. In fact, Catholics have indeed been guilty of violating children, but in somewhat lower numbers per capita than their secular counterparts. And unlike Sartre and Foucault and other such enlightened atheists still lionized in our secular temples, Catholics actually have the audacity to call sex with children a vice. It’s no wonder they are so reviled — projection is real.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @Anon
  210. somerset says:

    No it isn’t. You start your massive article based on a single error. The jews are NOT the Hebrews of the Bible. They only pretend to be. They are an asiatic people from southern Russia who converted to rabbinic pharisaism 300-400 years AFTER the crucifiction. The word ‘jew’ didn’t exist until then, when they renamed their new faith judaism making them judaists or jews. The Bible only uses the word since the 1770s when they started to buy printing presses and slowly substituted the word ‘jew’ for the original Judahite or Hebrew.
    You’re right about the character of the Hebrews though and that of yahweh, don’t forget, the Bible is a collection of books by different writers about different subjects. God and yahweh are mutually exclusive.

  211. @Laurent Guyénot

    You sound like a convert to Islam, Laurent.

    Or soon to be, anyway.

    Don’t worry, you’ll probably be among friends in about 20 years.

    Like they say, if you can’t beat em’, join em’.

    Right?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  212. Anonymous[560] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I notice that she’s been a friend to, and refuge for, child fuckers – truly a testament to the ‘divine’ nature and character of Yahweh as revealed in the Torah.

    Not only that but even at the very foundation of the Catholic Church around one-twelfth of her apostles were accessories to deicide. And the corruption problem hasn’t gotten any better since then. Yet 2000 years later and the Roman Catholic Church is going strong (in some places more than others, just like in other periods of her long history). Yet another good argument for the divine nature of the Roman Catholic Church! 👊🏻

    But to your silly attack, non-Catholic scholar Philip Jenkins (currently professor at Baylor University) studied the issue of Catholic clergy sex abuse cases and came to the conclusion that:

    “…research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination—or indeed, than non-clergy. However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported.”

    Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis (Oxford University Press, 1996).

    That aside, the “Catholic clergy abuse scandal” is largely a psyops orchestrated by the enemies of Christ and His Church. They think they have found the most effective way to attack and weaken the moral authority of the Church and so they have gone with this line of attack supported by their demonic conspirators in the media and law. So the average, gullible person out there believes the ludicrous narrative. “Priests are pedophiles!” “Trump is a Kremlin agent!” “Cops are committing genocide against people of color!” Etc., etc…

    E. Michael Jones tells us who’s behind the anti-Catholic psyops narrative of the Catholic clergy sexual abuse:

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: ivan
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @mcohen
    , @redflame
  213. @Old and Grumpy

    You do know that the Vatican was built on and named for the occult “City of the Dead.”

    lol what? do you have any idea how wrong you are? lmao.

    From what I have read there are rows and stacks of pre Christianity skeletons underneath the city.

    whoah no way? sorta like the christian catacombs? maybe that was what italic civilization did at the time? whoahhhh man far out

    How about the obelisk built in front of the dome cathedral?

    you mean the monument taken from Heliopolis Egypt? Put into a circus by a proud emperor? That has a cross on the top of it? With inscriptions in it declaring the triumph over paganism? that obelisk monument in the st pete square? ya i’ve walked by it before. have you? did you not see it? you could even google it, if you weren’t so bogged down in “da popery is da evil” searches- which will fk up your algorithm and day.

    Why an obelisk at all, since it is originally built as a tribute to the ancient Egyptian sun god?

    why not? ask the old Romans instead of whining. Or just go read the damn inscription on it from the popes…

    the obelisk represents the sun god’s wiener

    according to the oVo sun dick worship people, ya. so what are you saying? you’re saying the vatican conquered the pagan cock??!? sounds gay man. (it’s only gay if you worship phallic symbology lololol)

    Church that wiped out our ancient occult religions

    wait i thought the katholic church is pagan?!?!?!?! that’s what these pagans keep saying? which is it? did you get wiped out or not? is a christmas tree pagan? you love claiming that…make up your mind old man.

    Throw in that the original Hebrews were likely Phoenicians with a cooked up modern religion to mock the beliefs of its enemies, I’d be surprised if there isn’t a child sacrificial stone somewhere built under an alter somewhere in the Vatican City.

    riiiiiight. your incorrect assumption of da heeeebruzzzz makes it so you don’t even know that the freemason mormon scam leader brigham young built a shrine to lucifer in the lower level of the salt lake city utah temple. those people actually are into human child sacrifice and have the written history of it. in fact as i type this i am opening the pages of “15 years among the mormons” published by a traumatized ex-mormon lady on the frontier in 1860. since you seem keen on child sacrifice, please look into the judeomasonic scam called the mormon temple. thanks!

    Also weren’t a good many of the early Popes from Venice?

    maybe a few. so? your point? do you know how many genius romans came from the south of italy? enough to found a civilization that none of your ancestors could possibly dream of. what part of the boot they came from doesn’t really matter to me, so what’s it to you?

    The original Italian mafia and perfecters of the usury. Sounds very Jewish to me

    the romans are indeed the master race, just ask the jews. the original italian mafia perfected the destruction of saracens on the beaches of the boot, using their WILL! and weapons. the jewish bankers wish they were italian, and jewish women wish to date italian bankers because ultimately they know the italian banker will treat them better than a jewish banker. jewish men wish their sons to hang out with italian bankers and marry an italian bankers’ sister. you got it correct. italians are good at things and jews seem to piggy back while hating on them. yea, it sounds very jewish to me.

  214. @Jack McArthur

    Based on your previous comments can I assume you are a homosexual in denial?

    LOL

    You must be reading too much about those later Greek and Roman boys, Jack.

    Maybe living vicariously through Phillip of Macedon or Caligula?

    Present all the bullshit “scholarly” sources you wish, retard.

    Here’s the facts, Jack.

    Western Christian Civilization is the greatest in recorded history. Period. Full Stop.

    I’m grateful and proud to be a small part of it.

  215. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The key figure in forcing the Philosemitic Jewish cult of Judeo Christianity on the Classical Greko Roman world is St. Paul, the former Jewish Pharisee high priest Saul of Tarsus.

    Rather than dignifying the debate with academic phrases such as ‘Philosemitic Cult’, call it all for what it actually is (Judiaism, Christanity, Islam, & Atheism), ‘Kikeianity’ – with Capitalism/Communism, Facisim/Marxism, & etc. the mere physical manifestation of the faith.

  216. Seraphim says:
    @R2b

    ‘Deconstructionism’ has its origins in ‘Dadaism’, co-founded by such ‘avant-garde’ artists like the ‘Romanians’ Tristan Tzara (aka Samuel ‘Samy’ Rosenstock), Marcel Janco (aka Marcel Hermann Iancu, ‘Romanian and Israeli visual artist, architect and art theorist).

  217. R2b says:
    @utu

    Well, you dont seem to know nothingeh!
    Mitigated!
    Are you daft?
    You dont know nothing!
    Why do you comment.
    You should have a good spank, if it wasnt that you loved it.
    Dont come talking about heavy things.
    Yes, they are really heavy, and they are on your head.
    Martin Luther is the hero.
    Jean Calvin is the traitor.
    ”Judaizing Calvin”.
    The End is near.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  218. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “So what?”

    OK, let’s begin a dialogue against my better judgement. Perhaps you are an anony who engages in dialectic.

    Are you of the mindset that “might makes right”? Why/why not?

    “As usual, you forgot to state your conclusions, or the way you reached them.”

    The reasoning and conclusions are found in the two sources I linked to.

  219. Laurent, I think you would greatly appreciate ‘Saint Néron’, by Jean-Charles Pichon (e-dite 2000).

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  220. RT says:

    Excellent article, thanks Mr. Guyenot.
    I understand that you are not an atheist or denounce Christianity, it is part of our history and civilization for too long. As you mentioned, it has been adapted to a great degree to the ancient belief systems and these adaptations made the plot you describe to fail. Christianity resisted for a very long time the persistent attempts of full judaisation. Very long, but probably not anymore. Christianity needs dusting.
    It is interesting that Emperor Julian Apostate who was raised as a Christian, in his Letters (80) and Oration calls Christians only “Galilaei” and churches “ossuaries”.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  221. R2b says:
    @R2b

    Not only the coherence of the Godpels and the Epistels. Also the absolute coherence of the Old Testament and the New Testament.
    Jesus himself references many times to it.
    God has many names in the OT procession.
    The Lord of the hosts.
    Sebaot.
    Elohim.
    Yahweh.
    Last is tetragrammaton.
    It is different apparitions.

    Laurent Guyenot, you do not use the word Jew, appropiately.
    The Jews of today, are not the jews of jester.
    Nothing but religion in common.
    No flesh.
    No Abraham.
    You just have no point.
    You just defend the attack on Christianity, without any good measures.
    As I have said earlier, what you are promoting, we live in, and what you want is coming through covid1984!

  222. @nokangaroos

    I doubt we can put together a thread any more than we can grasp the Axis of evolution (“orthogenesis”).

    Wherein you reveal yourself to be a disciple of the mystic priest Teilhard de Chardin, who wrote such essays as Some Notes on the Mystical Sense, The Formation of the Noosphere and From the Pre-Human to the Ultra-Human. He preached that mankind was the pre-ordained top of the evolutionary scale and rather intimated that the human mind would soon evolve as an entity independent of the body..

    Those of us who occasionally self-identify as sessile shellfish will of course be sending a lawyer’s letter to you forthwith. Inciting-hate charges to follow.

    What we can see is the Neolithic Revolution (“Demetric phase” sensu J.J.Bachofen “Das Mutterrecht” 1869)

    In a futile attempt to figure out what you meant by that little pedantry, I actually googled your phrase “Demetric phase”. Surprise: For the first time in several years, I got only one item back. Next surprise (not): it was self-referential — to another comment you made earlier this year:

    The universal neolithic archetype of the unnaturally born, sacrificed and resurrected, law-giving vegetation deity (= “Demetric Phase” Bachofen 1869).

    Well, that didn’t help much since there’s but little correspondence between the two sentences. But never one to give up easily, I checked out Bachofen and discovered that Demetric refers not to some obscure unit of the metric system but rather to the ancient goddess Demeter. Bachofen allowed that matriarchy and monogamy originated as a rebellion against promiscuity, because of the sexual strains it caused. His book Das Mutterecht postulated a matriarchal ‘lunar’ phase based on agriculture, characterized by the emergence of chthonic mystery cults and law. Its dominant deity was an early Demeter, the Olympian goddess of the harvest and agriculture, presiding over grains and the fertility of the earth.

    How and why did I get into this little diversion? How are you relating it to this article? God only knows.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  223. gay troll says:

    I posted another essay on my website today arguing that the myth of Moses and the Hebrews was modeled on historical knowledge of Akhenaten and the Habiru. I also argue that Isaiah is the foundation of Christian Zionism, revealing the furious, brutal underpinnings of Christian thought. Isaiah proves that Yahweh himself invented anti Semitism; Yahweh is perfectly willing to despise Jews and Israelites. He has no actual tribe of his own. Therefore belief in Yahweh is not just monotheism, it is xenotheism. It is faith in an alien deity.

    https://gaytroll.substack.com/p/xenotheism-the-faith-of-abraham

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  224. @Schuetze

    Will be necessary to add anything else?

    I would add the confiscation of church property, the exile or imprisonment of clergy and the Vendée genocide of 1793, which massacred at least a hundred thousand, with special emphasis on the clergy. They are still digging up bodies.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/10/the-french-genocide-that-has-been-air-brushed-from-history/

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Schuetze
  225. Much as I appreciate the time and effort Mr. Guyenot puts into his work, I have to part ways with him where his general assessment of Christianity is concerned.

    One needn’t embrace Christianity to appreciate it as a force for good, from the maintenance of soup kitchens and homeless shelters to conduct consciously inspired by the beatitudes — to briefly cite but a small portion of observable benevolence. It doesn’t matter if we find antecedents to these phenomena in other religions or even within a secular milieu. What matters is how people identify the motivation, and it is clear that all too many find it in Christianity.

    Now his intent may have been directed at the failure of Christendom to forestall the more pernicious influences of Israel (the diaspora) upon the west. As a Muslim, I certainly would not object to a similar critique directed at the millenial Muslim world.

    Yet relegating Christianity per se to an “instrument of Gentile enslavement to Jewish power” will only serve a divide et impera objective, regardless of how well cognized many of Mr. Guyenot’s claims may be. Perhaps he has no concern for the division and animus such commentary will precipitate, which is quite possible.

    Personally, I find his work would reach a larger audience without the broadside attack. Let the reader draw conclusions for himself. Otherwise, it becomes just a sermon from a rival religion.

    • Agree: Jack McArthur, utu
  226. @Nisbe

    Islam has no place in the West

    That’s a peculiar statement, seeing as how Islam introduced the federalist model of government mirrored in the early American republic:

    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/Public/focus/essay1009_jefferson.html

    Reflections of the Constitution of Medina and the Qur’an can also be discerned from the U.S. Constitution. The first Amendment to the Constitution, guaranteeing freedom of religion, was originally called the “Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom.” In his autobiography, Jefferson recounted that the contents of the bill and that he was emphatic that the language of the bill should name precisely the groups protected, writing that “the Jew, the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every [emphasis mine] denomination” should be protected under the law.xi Despite not knowing what Jefferson’s familiarity may have been with the Constitution of Medina, we can still see the influence of certain elements of its teaching within the Qur’an, in particular Surah 2:62: “Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”xii The interpretation of this verse is traditionally that those who are members of the Abrahamic family of faiths are protected from both spiritual and social persecution.

    Three decades. That’s the breadth of my experience working and living with and among Muslims, the lion’s share of it in America, whose Muslim minority — contrary to the fallacy often repeated here — hasn’t been problematic for about five generations and counting. That’s because most Muslims here recognize its promise of religious liberty as they do the back of their hand.

    Islam has had a place in the west since before we were born. It’s just more transparently so than most folks realize.

    • Replies: @Afterthought
    , @HA
  227. @Rev. Spooner

    Now that Christmas has turned to ashes for all you faithful, maybe a closer look at nature will convince you that all that grows and lives is God.

    Just as our Pagan ancestors did when they celebrated Noel.

  228. @Laurent Guyénot

    I find Atwill overconfident with his parallel between Jesus and Titus. Yet it is a useful book in the quest of the inventors of Christianity.

    It’s a few years since I read Atwill, but I found him compelling in several respects. He explains the miracles surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as the Jewish animosity to Christianity and the intimate knowledge of Jewish society in the New Testament. On the other hand he does not fit the Gnostic tradition into early Christianity, though I have heard others say that was just a Jewish cult.

    A lot of the debate in this thread is between those who see religious history as a synthesis of documentary evidence that may not be questioned and those who see it as a set of data needing to be explained by the best hypothesis or set of hypotheses. A paradigm perhaps. In that scheme truth is best served by allowing a diversity of viewpoints.

    I await your further essays on this topic. Thanks for this.

  229. @Intelligent Dasein

    Articles like this one are rapidly convincing me that the Unz Review is no longer worthy of my time.

    Close the door on your way out.

  230. @GeneralRipper

    Well I have never heard of the journalist but on doing a web search I see that he wrote that the New York Times “really ought to change its name to Holocaust Update” and laughter defuses much . As for you – there is an Ancient Egyptian proverb about never arguing with a fool that comes to mind.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  231. @GeneralRipper

    Well I have never heard of the journalist but on doing a web search I see that he wrote that the New York Times “really ought to change its name to Holocaust Update” and laughter defuses much. As for you – there is an Ancient Egyptian proverb about never arguing with a fool that comes to mind.

  232. @ivan

    No I don’t have to follow the rules. They corrupted the Bible and made corrupted rules. Babylonian Talmudism is fascinated with the number 6. 666, 6 million, 6 day war, 6 points, 6 triangles and 6 sides. The Bible happens to have 66 Books. That number of 66 Books wasn’t chosen by the the disciples but probably was selected by devils. My how the devil’s children are so smart, their father is very intelligent which is why they have us believing nearly anything he wants, including making God Jewish.

    • LOL: ivan
    • Replies: @Protogonus
  233. @AnonStarter

    Jesus is an historical figure in the Quran as well. A Muslim would be in a strange place if ever they attacked Jesus directly because of bad Christians or questioned his very existence.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  234. The Movement of Judas the Galilean that morphed into the movement of The Egyptian. In any event, it is dead.

  235. @AnonStarter

    Islam is the evolution of Ebionite Judaism: the religion of Jesus and James, but not of Saul the Herodian.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  236. Dacian says:
    @Seraphim

    “ Conclusions drawn from false premises are false.”

    This is in fact not true. One of the principles of formal and symbolic logic is that:

    Valid arguments may have:

    True premises, true conclusion
    False premises, false conclusion
    False premises, true conclusion
    Valid arguments can never have:

    True premises, false conclusion.

    Premise: The Earth is Flat. Therefore, the Sun always rises from the East. This is True statement.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  237. Alden says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Don’t forget that the infamous French penal colony DevilsIsland began during the Revolution. It was established as a prison for priests and monks. It was feared that the continuing sight of the local priests and monks who ran the local schools welfare organizations and other necessary institutions being guillotined in the town plaza would lead to counter revolutions.

    I have a rare copy of Renee Bouedereau’s Memoirs. It wasn’t just Vendee either. If possible, the revolutionaries would have done to France and nearby countries what their Bolshevik descendants did in Russia.

    Reading the conventional history of the glorious French Revolution is one of the reasons I’m such a cynic about anything snd everything in the media. It’s just lies lies and more lies.

    Unlike those who blame Jews, I know where the blame lies, Phillipe d’Orleans.

  238. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    The supreme irony of the Jewish media southern holy roller campaign against gay catholic priests is that the Jewish media was campaigning that the Boy Scouts admit overt gay leaders at the same time they were pointing with shock and horror at gay catholic priests.

    So gay catholic priests going after teen boys was bad bad bad. But gay Boy Scout leaders going after teen boys was good good food.

    And now we see call 800-bad-guys if you were ever molested by your Boy Scout leaders ADs in late night TV.

    Whenever the subject cane up, I enjoyed telling my Jewish friends that the priests were homosexuals and technically not pedophiles, but just mundane gays after teen boys.

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  239. Consider the source Primo Levi. Levi.

    Levi is a descendant of the tribe of Levi known as Levites.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4254752/jewish/Who-Were-the-Levites.htm

    “The Levites, descendants of Jacob ‘s son Levi, were selected to serve G‑d in the Holy Temple. Most served in peripheral roles, playing music, opening and closing the gates, and standing guard.”

    The Temple priests were known as Kohanim, aka Kohan, Cohan, Cohen, Cohn, et al.

    So many holocaust survivors, one would think that the Germans would have been more rigorous and thorough.

    Maybe the Germans used magic gas to pull off the holocaust.

  240. @Laurent Guyénot

    God did chose the Jews. God did give the Jews his Ten commandments. God inspired many Jewish man to be his prophets. God wanted Jews to be shining example for all humanity.
    But as we see it now it did not worked out. Jews with their greed for money, power,and fame did miss their opportunity to be shining example for humanity.
    It culminated with Jews rejecting his son Jesus. And not only they rejected Jesus they crucified Jesus and they did end Jesus mission on earth. It does not absolve the guilt of Jews that the actual job was done by Romans. Jews forced Romans hands.
    Jews by their greed for money and power become servants of Mamon Antichrist and Devil.
    Jews are no servants of God. All Jews are now atheists.

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  241. @Peripatetic Itch

    Das Mutterrecht is a book every feminist claims to have read (much like Mein Kampf) but none understood; Bachofen attempts a kind of stratigraphy of Greek mythology –
    the lowest (= oldest) layer he calls “Aphroditic”, characterized by matrilineality, mud, moon, drugs, orgiastic fertility rites and human sacrifice (= the moist dream of every feminist; eh bien, send them to the mudderland 😛 ), followed by the “Demetric” with Law, monogamy (the horror!), patrilineality, agriculture and work ethic (= neolithic racist) which in turn is superseded by the “Apollinic” and Sun, reason and spiritual fatherhood (of course this is not universally applicable but the idea was revolutionary).

    – Religions and ideologies are biological entities and as such open to function analysis and genealogy, is all I said; generations of gods like the above can mean invasions (usually) or reforms.
    None of the founders was terribly original – even Zarathustra regarded his as a renewal (after a temporary lapse into the swamp) of the Aryan Father-in-heaven (dyaus pitah).
    Every feat of a religion, monotheism or not, djenndah (sometimes nonbinary, sometimes dualistic), simple law or not (complicated law always means depravity), universal or not, kinds of sacrifice etc. can be tied to a function and underlying life form +/- racial substrate and stage of development.

    IOW the blood-and-smoke-craving donkey-headed tribal god of a vagrant band of chicken thieves would have been laughed off the stage in Rome – but what exactly happened remains conjecture.

    (Simple enough? Go sue me 😀 )

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  242. Getaclue says:
    @Rocha

    Do you pray the Rosary? Do you then believe it is the product of a hallucination? “According to a Dominican tradition, in 1208 the rosary was given to St. Dominic in an apparition by the Blessed Virgin Mary in the church of Prouille. This Marian apparition received the title of Our Lady of the Rosary.” — I think you are way off based on your comment given documented Church history and the intense review that is given before any such event is given approval by the Church.

    The Mystical is in fact a very important part of the true historical Catholic religion, anyone who studies in good faith the Saints cannot avoid this conclusion, in fact Vatican 2 (accomplished by infiltrated Masons — Our Lord appeared in 1903 and predicted this would happen to the Holy Stigmatist Marie Julie Jahenny — that His Mass given the Saints would be switched out for theirs by a “secret society” after long planning to do so…was that a “hallucination” by her?) which you obviously dislike was very much about removing that part of the religion and protestantizing it or, as you put it, making it more of Puritanical outlook by stripping out the Mystical….

    Based on the actual history of what happened in Zeitoun and Fatima (not to mention Lourdes, St. Dominic etc. — and the many documented medical miracles occurring at Lourdes thereafter acclaimed even by Atheists i.e. they are undeniable) I don’t think any reasonable person actually doing the research on these would reach your conclusion — I certainly didn’t when I came across Fatima in 2012 never having heard of it before, it totally changed my life after I fully researched it, I had been a Buddhist/Hindu/Yoga type and had just attended a Born Again Church when I came across it, after fully researching it I had zero doubt it happened and wasn’t a “hallucination” — I’ve served the Traditional Latin Mass at an FSSP Parish now for years post my discovery of Fatima and the resulting life changes caused by that event….

    — So the Devil made Our Lady appear in Zeitoun and/or that’s him in the photo and the Rosary was given to St. Dominic by the Devil also in your worldview? Those photographs taken at Zeitoun and the millions who saw Her there — all “hallucinations”? The predictions made at Fatima all occurred — if you actually read what happened there it is literally impossible to claim there were any “hallucinations” involved.

    Your “suspicious of anyone whose Faith needs the support of these visions” — who claimed such was needed? It might in fact cause someone to investigate — and as a result bring them into the one true faith after investigating and determining these were real events. Does your claim of this “suspicion” mean these events didn’t happen? Do you have some insight over and above God as to why He decided for these events to happen? Your denial of Fatima and Zeitoun is more of the “Puritan” nature in my view — clearly with the associated Miracles accompanying these events there is no doubt God wants us to take notice of them — often they are used as warnings as to possible Chastisements if there isn’t serious reparations and amendment of evil conduct (Our Lady of LaSalette is an example of that also…) — God has been doing this type thing since the beginning of time and the Old Testament is full of it…warning, chance for Amendment, possible punishment depending on same…– Nineveh?

    St. John of the Cross was speaking as to those who wanted to receive extraordinary visions/revelations not to anything of the nature that happened at both Fatima, Lourdes, or Zeitoun: “And so the devil rejoices greatly when a soul DESIRES to receive revelations, and when he sees it inclined to them, for he has then a great occasion and opportunity to insinuate errors and, in so far as he is able, to derogate from faith; for, as I have said, he renders the soul that desires them very gross, and at times even leads it into many temptations and unseemly ways.”

    — St. Teresa of Avila made this point also very clear. There is no evidence of anyone at Fatima, Zeitoun or Lourdes “DESIRING” such event to happen — the appearances and related miracles happened independent of such. What he is talking about is people who in their lives desire such to happen to them individually and then can hallucinate that such did occur — in such cases we don’t end up with the photographic evidence of Zeitoun nor the associated miracles of it and Fatima/Lourdes and the records that beyond dispute prove there were no “hallucinations” occurring.

    Neither St. John of the Cross nor St. Teresa of Avila ever claimed that the Mother of God had not appeared before to various Saints– do you think St. John of the Cross thought St. Dominic “hallucinated” his being given the Rosary by Our Lady? — in fact Our Lord was appearing to St. Teresa of Avila, who recorded her locutions with same which led to her being made a Saint and being greatly revered, she was the foremost disciple of St. John of the Cross — was she “hallucinating”? He knew of her locutions and the appearances of Our Lord to her — Did he state she was hallucinating?

    Such visitations are “not necessary for Salvation” but they are absolutely provided by God for what can only be important reasons — often as a warning of things to come, as I stated above, if there is not widespread repentance and amendment of evil conduct — warnings are always given in these times — in the Old Testament also — before great Chastisements because God does not always wait until death to punish and punishment at some historical points where things become very evil is collective.

    The statements made as to Russia by Our Lady and what occurred there were historically accurate regardless of whatever certain “actors” joined in as to instituting those errors. I have thoroughly researched various apparitions and some are clearly false but I don’t know of any that have been approved of by the Church — such as Fatima, Lourdes, Zeitoun (the Church deferred to the Coptic authority over the Church She appeared at (built on where the Holy Family lived in Egypt after fleeing Herod) and they approved it). Was this a hallucination too?: https://www.miraclesofthechurch.com/2010/10/miraculous-crucifix-of-limpias-jesus.html

  243. HA says:
    @AnonStarter

    “Despite not knowing what Jefferson’s familiarity may have been with the Constitution of Medina, we can still see the influence of certain elements of its teaching within the Qur’an”

    If that is the totality of your case, it amounts to little more than wishful thinking. Jefferson may have known nothing of the Constitution of Medina or which of its pretty ideals were subsequently abrogated and so forth, as the author of the above words himself admits. But Jefferson definitely knew about the Muslim views on religious coexistence endorsed by, say, the Barbary pirates:

    In March 1786 [i.e., a year and a half before the US Constitution was written], Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:

    It was written in their Koran, (that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise).

    How fascinating and sad it is (given all the headlines ISIS generated in the last couple of years) that some things never seem to change.

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  244. jay says:
    @Observator

    Library destructions were either complete fabrications or simply political. Not in any way related to Christianity:
    https://www.tektonics.org/af/crimeline.php

    It simply didn’t happen or didn’t happen because of Christianity.

  245. @Levtraro

    All roads lead to mythicism; that’s why the priests are terrified of real historical scholarship.

    Where a spooked brain beats the bushes of his myths into consonant sentences for purposes of influencing the mythical properties of another’s subjective agreement forged into the weight of “empirical” evidence which allows a coward, by crying “myth”, to immunize himself against the unknowable , you’ve simply got another preacher passing the plate in the Church of I Am Not Scared Unless You Are.

    What a wimp author, what a wimp story on behalf of myth-busters. Truth to the wimp is a plot, and truth to myth buster is but a wimp looking for a home among the godly myth busters of this world who are always found in numbers surrounding any sententious babbler of revisionary “facts” which nevertheless an article of faith. oops

    Don’t go hard on yourself. Admit you did not receive a love for the same “truth” which others allege seeing and profess to love, and let it go. If you don’t love it, do not look at it, stop obsessing. Let the others go, confess doubt of yourself–not others–and you’ll feel better. Mind: there is no escape from confession, but suicide, and suicide is confession. So confess and stop being god for fear of the unknown things in your life which you label as myth because they do not succeed for you.
    _____________
    “To judge between good or bad, between successful and unsuccessful would take the eye of a God.” -Anton Chekhov.

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  246. @BSDN

    Paul said it best. If the resurrection is not true then Christians are to be pitied. That’s why this article is important and welcome.

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  247. @G. Poulin

    Cancel, cancel cancel YOU !

    Why are you trying to transform our myth-free world with your pesky little facts …??
    I think you’ve scared my son, he is transitioning to a woman soon and I really want to see him shine!

  248. Albertus says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Thank you for this comment. I always read his new articles in full, I find them fascinating. I’ve learned much about early Christian movements through him and his sources, but cannot agree with his new found full-throated anti-Christianity. I wonder if he’s ever seen a miracle— or achieved one through Christian prayer. It’s all about perspective. He’s found Caesar’s Messiah and that gives him more fuel to fire his atheism. I found the book “The Jesus mysteries: Was Jesus a Pagan God” years ago and instead of it fueling atheism, it strengthened my attachment to Christianity. I was glad to learn that some pagan elements became part of Christianity, so that the treasury of our pagan past continues in our faith.

    Don’t give up on the faith Mr. Guyenot! Christ is real. Pray on it. Count on it!

  249. anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Mind boggling …

    Lol! That amply applies to your core creed too, in a mind-bogglingly twisted sense.

    For you pagan godless supremacist vermin… god is human-like, man is god-like; god is 100%man-100%god; god is like the 3 states of H2O and 3 dimensional geometry; god “begets” children like the lowly man; god has a wife, or a mother, or both; god resurrects himself like the dindoo pagan dieties; god encourages ritualistic cannibalism; and so on.

    This is the pestilence “Pale skinned” Chrizzies have wrought on mankind. You may exult in your music, literature, feats of science and engineering — which was possible only through unabashed colonial psychopathy, plunder, mayhem, death, destruction & suffering of others –, but you pagan godless vermin will always remain spiritual paupers, who will burn forever for your godlessness and supremacism.

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  250. @Jake

    But the counter-revolutionary “October Revolution” was almost entirely the project of Khazarian Talmudists who hated all Russians, particularly the Orthodox.

  251. Dube says:

    If Christ be not risen then we are the most miserable and pitiable for believing it, says Paul. So one might take interest in the Flavian staff writers who are posited here as having composed the official narrative. Though why the awkward peculiarities like Jesus mixing dirt with spittle to make a paste to put on the blind man’s eyes? Please. What if he’d had to say, I can’t do this, this is the wrong kind of dirt? Smooth that away, don’t provoke doubt. And then sending the blind man stumbling across town to the pool at Siloam, instead of direct and immediate action, which could have been written up quite beautifully in a simpler scene. Staff might have been enjoying themselves a bit too much. Were they being paid per word? To save the West it may be time now to update the script here and there. No worry about being accursed of course — but do retain that nifty phrase, it’s got snap.

  252. @Schuetze

    Among the many changes implicit in this theory are those found in our calendar (an extension) of the old Roman Calends. The currently accepted switchover allegedly begins with Christ’s birth, with the propounded reasoning being B.C. and A. D. . Theoretically, these postulations are to mean “Before Christ” and “Anno Domini”. In all truth as this was an Imperial Roman device, B.C. alludes to the rule of the Caesars, commencing with the “Divine Julius”. “Anno Domini” (the year of the Lord) is taken to refer to Jesus, but was it, really? To me A.D. stands for the year of Domination-Dome-in-Nation–Dominionism (a somewhat covert Christian heresy)–Damn Nation and Damnation.

    Sometimes hidden truths reveal themselves in related, cognate and homonymic words.

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  253. Seraphim says:
    @Observator

    You start on the wrong foot talking of the ”Testamentum Flavianum”, thus showing your lack of familiarity with the problem. It is ‘Testimonium Flavianum’.
    Origen did not reference it to refute ‘those who proposed that the Christ figure was merely a literary fiction’, because it was not what Celsus said in principal, he did not deny that Jesus ever existed, nor that he performed miracles. Origen refutes the calumnies and accusations of the Jews against Jesus and the Christians, relayed by Celsus. Actually Celsus was putting a Jew to do most of the talk, namely that Jesus was no God, not the Messiah they expected, an impostor born in adultery, etc., and that he was rightly punished as a sorcerer and trouble-maker, rebel (as there are the ‘secret society’ of Christians), and above all that he did not rise again and the whole story was invented by his disciples and ‘hysterical women’. All these ‘ideas’and sophisms are the intellectual fodder ruminated and regurgitated periodically by the atheists and ‘theists’, by agnostics and ‘gnostics’, but that they present as their own ‘discoveries’.
    In fact Origen references Josephus in relation to Jesus: “Now this writer, although not believing in Jesus as the Christ, in seeking after the cause of the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple, whereas he ought to have said that the conspiracy against Jesus was the cause of these calamities befalling the people, since they put to death Christ, who was a prophet, says nevertheless — being, although against his will, not far from the truth— that these disasters happened to the Jews as a punishment for the death of James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus (called Christ), — the Jews having put him to death, although he was a man most distinguished for his justice” (Contra Celsum I, 47).

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  254. @HA

    which of its pretty ideals were subsequently abrogated and so forth, as the author of the above words himself admits

    It’s safe to conclude that either you haven’t understood the article, or your understanding of abrogation in Islam is misinformed — or, quite possibly, both.

    The first conflict between America and Maghrebi Muslims occurred in 1784. Jefferson had purchased his first copy of George Sale’s translation of The Qur’an nearly two decades earlier, in 1765. In the interim, Jefferson had authored the Declaration of Independence and been very active in advancing legislation to protect religious liberty. (See, for example, A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom, introduced officially on June 18, 1779, though Jefferson himself stated that the first draft was drawn in 1777.) These were obvious forerunners to the First Amendment which had been introduced well before Jefferson and Adams’ meeting with AbdulRahman.

    What’s more, Jefferson’s decision to go to war in the Maghreb had nothing to do with disdain for Islam. (In fact, he pressed for war two years prior to his meeting with AbdulRahman.) From historian Frank Lambert’s Barbary Wars, we read that these campaigns “were primarily about trade, not theology, and that rather than being holy wars, they were extensions of America’s War of Independence.” This fact has been corroborated by every historian who delves into the subject.

    So … What exactly is the point you’re trying to make? That the federalism introduced by Islam finds no approximation in the early American republic because Jefferson, like many men of his time and place, didn’t care for organized religion and, as such, couldn’t possibly have been influenced by Islam in any way, shape, or form?

    I’d say you’re in no position to admonish others about wishful thinking.

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  255. @Afterthought

    Islam is the evolution of Ebionite Judaism: the religion of Jesus and James, but not of Saul the Herodian.

    Well, that appears to be a tempting take, though I hesitate upon the term “evolution” for the simple fact that Islam is not an outgrowth of the Ebionite worldview, but rather, a continuum extending from the dawn of man to the Last Day.

    Where we find any indication of the affirmation of God, there is evidence of Islam’s reach. Among Native Americans, He is The Great Spirit. Among Australia’s aboriginal people, He is Atnatu, “one without anus.” The ancient Chinese perceived Him as Shangdi, the Central Asians as Tanri. Even where such affirmation is accompanied by, inter alia, pantheistic or polytheistic conviction, there is always recognition of One Above all, without question.

    Socrates himself referred to “The God,” distinguishing Him from the Greek pantheon by use of the definite article.

    Islam as manifest in seventh century Arabia is distinguished by The Book that came with it, one which does not mandate compulsion to monotheism in spite of its affirmation of the same.

  256. Levtraro says:
    @The Soft Parade

    I did not write the piece you are quoting.

  257. @nokangaroos

    Teilhard de Chardin´s is a nice little speculation aiming high, and as coming from my corner (Catholicism-cum-science brutalism) I can relate to it as the last Catholic stand this side of Dawkins.
    (Le Phénomène Humain is the most concise layout)
    He gets a little vitalist but never struck me as transhumanist or mysticist.

  258. @Zarathustra

    God did chose the Jews.

    Why not the Persians, Zarathustra?

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  259. @AnonStarter

    One needn’t embrace Christianity to appreciate it as a force for good… What matters is how people identify the motivation (for doing good), and it is clear that all too many find it in Christianity.

    I agree, of course. And I do think that faith in both a Creator and in immortality are the necessary foundation for public morality. I explained it in this article https://www.unz.com/article/enshrining-god-in-the-constitution-robespierres-great-idea/
    Any religion (almost) is better than no religion. My point is not to get rid of religion, but on the contrary, to argue out that Christianity is a sinking boat, and has a fundamental flaw in its design.

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  260. @André Lemelin

    It looks interesting, I’ll certainly read it, thanks.

  261. Garliv says:

    The way i understand the essay is that it argues that Christianity favours Jews and that it was concocted by Jews to advance their “specialness.” That in itself necessitates clear understanding of Christian theology and the best place to start with is in the Holy Bible considered and declared to be God’s inspired word. It matters little that whether Bible is regarded as historical account or myth. What matters for this purpose that Christians believe it and depend on it as Holy Book. The Spiritual understanding of the Bible is what is crucial.

    That the Bible is selectively quoted to support some partisan arguments, promote false claims and or support dubious doctrines is not new. To begin with Laurent Guyenot partially retell the story of Jacob and Esau concentrating on Jacob “cheating” his elder brother Esau of his birthright. What he fails to state in this essay is that Jacob was aided by his mother Rebekah. There is background to that Issac preferred Esau whom he considered “manly” as a hunter than Jacob who was kind of “stay at home mummy’s boy” whom Rebekah loved more. Another thing to note is that Esau had “sold” his birthright over bowl of soup to his younger brother Jacob. In theological terms Esau didn’t value his birthright that much anyway which counted less for him before God. More importantly in God’s plan for redemption of mankind since the fall of man at Garden of Eden, it is God’s election or choice that mattered. For example when Abraham and his wife Sarah got impatient waiting for Sarah to conceive, Sarah asked Abraham to sleep with her Egyptian servant Hagar who readily conceived. The result was Ishmael. But even though God blessed Ishmael and no problem with him His redemptive plan was to wait for birth of Issac. My point being there is much more theological underpinning in the story of Esau and Jacob and not simply that “Jacob cheated”.

    Central issue of this essay is the concept of “the chosen people.” I find this issue straightforward as the Bible is clear. There should be no dispute as theological underpinnings are stated in the Bible itself. However for some inexplicable reasons this concept has been misinterpreted, misunderstood, abused and deliberately bastardized. Simply incredible. Jews have declared themselves the chosen ones and some Christians have for all intent and purposes established a cult of Isreal-worship based on this. I find it puzzling that Laurent Guyenot in this long essay doesn’t point out how the Scripture identify the chosen ones so as to help determine whether it is truly Bible based or something made up.
    Major overriding point to understand is that the concept of “Chosen Ones” has nothing to do with DNA/biology. The Scripture is clear on it. When Adam and Eve committed the original sin and were expelled from the Garden of Eden humans kept on expanding their proclivities to sin with Cain killing his brother Abel and all the way to when one of Cain descendant Lamech multiplied sin/murders exponentially. In Genesis 4:23-24 NIV
    Lamech said to his wives, “Adah and Zillah, listen to me; wives of Lamech, hear my words. I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for injuring me. [24] If Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech seventy-seven times. ”
    The Book of Genesis goes on to tell the story of how world became increasingly sinful and people started calling on God to restore personal relationship. And God poured His wrath through floods but He planned to redeem humans through Noah the descendant of Seth, Adam and Eve son after Cain and Abel. Thus Noah and his family were saved to establish anew a people/nations that would always have personal relationship with God. Obviously it did not work out exactly that way because as it is stated in Genesis 6: 5-6 “The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. [6] The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.”

    [MORE]

    As human race is inclined to always sin God in His redemption plan chose to go through Abram (Abraham). Bible is clear one of the reason Abraham was chosen was because he” was constantly seeking God…. ” Promises to Abraham are fairly well known but for present purposes two of those promises are important: (1). Abraham is to be the father of a singular seed who will conquer all enemies. And (2). Abraham and his seed are to possess the land of Canaan for ever.

    For number one, the Bible itself gives us an answer. In Galatians 3:16 NIV
    “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.” Thus Abraham seed referred to in Genesis is Christ Jesus. This makes anyone and everyone who receives Christ to be heir to Abraham promises. For Galatians 3:26-29 NIV
    ” So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, [27] for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

    And just to emphasis that Abraham Seed was NEVER meant to be based on DNA/biology in Galatians Chapter 4 Apostle Paul expounds on the difference between Hagar’s child and Sarah’s. Hagar’s (slave woman) child Ishmael was as biological Abraham son as Issac, but he (Ishmael) was not part of God’s redemptive plan. Abraham had other sons and daughters but they too didn’t share. Similar story extend to Jacob and Esau. It’s Jacob line elected/chosen to be part of God’s plan. Then of course there are lots of intermarriages. For example Joseph son of Jacob (Israel) married and had sons with an Egyptian woman. And when Joseph took his sons to be blessed by Jacob, Ephraim was chosen (2nd born). Thus for Jews or anyone else to rely on some genealogy is not only impractical but foolhardy. It is carnality at its best. For even today on what basis does today’s Jew claim to be Abraham descendant? How many generations do you have to go through from Abraham to present? Besides even if we are to get to historicity, it is known some who identify as Jews NEVER had any connection with ancient Middle East. As Apostle Paul write to 1 Timothy 1:3-4 NIV
    “…. stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer [4] or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.”
    This is what all this debate about Jews being chosen people is all about: false doctrine, myths and endless genealogies. Purely without sound theological basis.

    The promise that Abraham and his Seed will occupy land of Canaan has brought misery to millions of people today and concoction of some political philosophy sometimes referred to as Zionism. There are clear verses in the Bible that this promise was FULFILLED 3,000 years ago. In Joshua 21:43, 45 (KJV) – “So the LORD gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it . . . Not a word failed of any good thing which the LORD had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass” Isn’t Joshua the one who led Israelites into Canaan and they conquered those who dwelt on that land? Did they not divide the land according to tribes? Where’s controversy in this if we as Christians believe in the Bible as inspired God’s word?
    In Nehemiah times, Levites are recorded as praying in Nehemiah 9:7-8 NIV
    “You are the Lord God, who chose Abram and brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham. [8] You found his heart faithful to you, and you made a covenant with him to give to his descendants the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Jebusites and Girgashites. You have kept your promise because you are righteous.”

    The promise was kept. Further proof in the Scripture is in 1 Kings 4:21 (KJV) – “So Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the River to the land of the Philistines, as far as the border of Egypt.”

    Israelites were to be to possess or remain in the land of Canaan SO LONG AS THEY WERE OBEDIENT TO GOD. In Deuteronomy 30:17-18 (KJV) – “But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.” Thus when Israelites couldn’t obey God’s command they were scattered all over the world.
    To claim that establishment of Israel in 20th Century is fulfilment of God’s promise to Abraham is simply a lie: a fraud. It’s undertaking pursued pursuant to flesh (human imperialism) rather than soundly based on Scripture. The problem has actually to do with Christians who have perverted true meaning of the Scripture. They either do not read it so they are not aware of what it contain while others are just self seekers in earthly pursuits.

    Finally i think there is a huge disconnect between what most Christians think/assume Judaism to be and what it is in actuality. We assume that Hebrew Bible is Old Testament and that therefore Christianity and Judaism are almost similar with exception of Christ Jesus. Truth is that is just a very small part of the story. Because in Judaism Talmud is the king. And Talmud determine what old testament mean. And reading through Talmud one is simply shocked. It’s a religion of self worship, hatred of others, lies, xenophobia all masked as some intellectual debates. I think most Christians would be shocked were they to find out what actually Talmud teach about Jesus and Christianity. It’s just mindboggling. I wonder how Christian Zionists would take it were they to learn that Talmud claim Jesus learned and practiced magic in Egypt or that Jews claim Jesus in hell boiling in excrement!! And am just finding out!
    As an aside I think it’s curious that it’s not easy to get copy of Babylonian Talmud in libraries. Bible, Quran, Bhagavad-Gita and others are easily available. But not the Talmud. But then it’s also written that whoever teaches goyim what Talmud teaches against them, he/she deserve death. How come it isn’t widely known? Just curious.

    Therefore on my part I conclude that even if historical fathers of Christianity were Jews, looking purely on the Scripture it does not advance Jews claim for being chosen ones for it is clear whoever believes in Christ is the Chosen One. If Christians everywhere in Churches, in governments, in position of power/influence, in arts, at homes etc just take time to understand what Bible is all about, then such issues as “Jewish problem” won’t exist. However if especially Christian leaders in governments and in churches fall under the spell of promoting dubious doctrines and heresies for sake of conformity, money, fame and or greed, then the problem is Christian themselves. For it would matter little to such characters whether they espouse Buddhism, European mysticism, or even Judaism.

  262. mcohen says:
    @Anonymous

    No ……….the catholic clergy abuse scandal is hilarious.

    All those altar boys sigh with pleasure.and the priests swoon at the moon.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/17/pope-francis-ends-pontifical-secrecy-rule-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church

    See asshole (exscuse the pun)…… pressure from the “psyops” forced the pope to finally take action.

    Whats that disgusting brown smear on his white dress.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  263. Robjil says:
    @Albertus

    Mexico also has a long tradition with visions of Virgin Mary. It is still very strong in Mexico.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/our-lady-guadalupe-powerful-symbol-mexican-identity-n694216

    According to lore, it was a winter’s day in 1531 when the Virgin Mary first appeared to Juan Diego, a peasant, as he was crossing a hillside near present-day Mexico City. She appeared as a dark-skinned woman who spoke Nahuatl, Juan Diego’s native language. This woman asked Juan Diego to build her a little house, a casita, on the hill. Twice Juan Diego reported this to his local bishop, who didn’t believe him. The second time, the bishop asked for proof of the apparitions.

    Early on the morning of December 12th, the lady appeared again to Juan Diego and told him to gather some flowers at the top of the hill – a strange request because flowers were not in season in December. Juan Diego did as he was instructed, and found an array of Castilian roses. The lady helped him arrange them in his tilma (cloak), and he returned to the bishop with them as evidence. As Juan Diego presented the tilma to the bishop, the flowers tumbled out and the two men discovered a life-size image of the Virgin Mary on the inside of the cloak. This image is known as Our Lady of Guadalupe.

  264. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    God wanted Jews to be shining example for all humanity.

    Again, you have this backwards.

    God is using Jews as an example, and given that any God worth the name is Omniscient, we can safely conclude, based on behavioral evidence of the “chosen” to date in matters related to god and godliness, that God’s intention was to use them as a negative example for all the nations.

    For example, this Joker, who is using the name Zarathustra but writes more like a displaced son of lizzard eaters of Arabia quoting Arabic scripture, will not be able to give us all a single instance of Jews as a nation setting a “shining example” for anyone, ever. Please cite one lousy shining example!

    Let’s review the “Shining Example” of Jews per their own records:

    1 – As soon as Moses is not watching them like a hawk, they build themselves an idol made of gold, the “god” closest to their hearts, then as is now. Does anyone know of any other nation that treated their liberating savior (Moses) with such disdain? Let’s think about this: these idol worshipers are the analogs of the first generation of believers of other faith. Compare fidelity, holiness, and sanctity of those first believers and these “examples”.

    2 – There are numerous false prophets of sorts always present among the “shining example”. If we were to compare a tribe to a field, this is a field that has always been infested with weeds. (c.f. Jesus and harvest ..)

    3 – Baal-worship (likely the actual Hebrew religion before the return of Persian Empire’s “chosen religion” for the “chosen people” of the chosen Temple State) appears to be the natural religion of Hebrews. They always revert to it.

    4 – Inherent love of violence apparent in some Hebrews. Seriously read the instructions of the Jewish god to Moses and Aaron regarding the bloodbath that is the Jewish religious ritual. Someone should do a short historic documentary and put those instructions into moving picture for the feeble minded latter day humans. (Are all those (((Holywood))) blood drentched and violent pictures the true expression of the deep unconscious self of the Hebrews? Did “God” know the Hebrew Baal Worshipers to be so expecting of acts of violence against living beings that in creating a priestly ritual for them “God” insisted on spraying warm blood of an animal all over the “holy of holies”?)

    5 – Attacking other men of god and other religions on earth. Who is foremost in attacking messengers of god and religion? Which tribe has furnished humanity with such “shining examples”?

    The extent of the mind-fuck committed against western hemisphere is mind boggling. (Asians to a huge extent dodged the bullet before the Catholic predator colonialists appeared on their shores and preached the gospel of Jew Man-God.) But then again, we consider 21st century Americans buying steel skyscapers turning into dust in seconds because of “fire”, and consider the actual germinal question:

    How much of anything we read as history is ancient “fake news”?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @nokangaroos
  265. Schuetze says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    Thanks, PI. That was a fascinating article. The similarities between the French “Revolution” and the Russian “Revolution” are far greater that I had ever realized.

    First there is all the Crypto-jews managing the affair, then there is all the Christian hate, then there is all the looting of Churches and murder of Priests, and finally we have the genocide of the very peasants that the revolution was really supposed to serve. This “Crusade for Liberty” really has many of the hallmarks of the Holodomor which started with the purge of the Kulaks.

    I also found this paragraph to be particularly revealing of in light of centuries of jewish projection:

    “Not all brigand corpses were dumped, or left in the ruins of their homes. Many bodies were skinned for their leather. On April 5 1794 at Clisson, General Crouzat’s soldiers burned 150 women alive to extract their fat to use as grease.”

    I would also be interested in knowing the role of the planning for this by the money changers in the John Law and the Mississippi bubbles as well in the decades prior. I catch a very strong whiff of talmudic stench to Loius XV’s famous quip: “Apres moi le Deluge” which easily could be uttered by Donald Trump today.

    And that brings us to another interesting parallel between the “revolutions” in France in 1789, Russia in 1917 and now this jew-coup in the US. Trump has wasted so many trillions of the nations wealth that nobody can keep track any more, just like Louis XV. When the deplorables in flyover country rise up like the Vendeen’s in Normandy likely they will be mowed down with DEW’s, drones and other modern weapons.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  266. anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Montefrío

    I think of it as the “Six-S Way”: simplicity, solitude, study, silence, spontaneity and simultaneity. “Simultaneity”according to me, is a state of consciousness in which the material world and the matrix of energy underlying and coexisting with it are simultaneously experienced. My “faith” is that said experience reveals the true state of the cosmos, a state of timeless Being rather than a dualistic “created” existence. Being IS.

    Sir, do you people even truly comprehend what you write?! I most certainly doubt it. 😀

    All of what you hilariously wrote is just pretentious nonsense! Indeed, Asian spiritualism is being in a constant state of hallucinatory existentialism. Some of those who propound it talk about a “Nirvana” no human seems to have ever attained, others talk of attaining “godhood,” etc. Just batshit pagan nonsense.

    It pains me to say it, but it is beyond my understanding how so many still adhere to the “Religions of the Book”, as in … and Islam in all their variants.

    Normal people have a life to lead, a family to take care of, amongst other normal things. They do not have time to constantly ponder/meditate, and waste a lifetime, on said pretentious nonsense. Can you imagine if everybody started renouncing normal life, and became monks? It all points to fatal flaws in your pagan beliefs, but you fuzzy minded people will be loathe to see it.

    So, spiritually intelligent people like the Muslims say… God is One, Creator of all existence, and the only One worthy of worship… and thus while they worship Him alone without making any associations, they have easily accomplished the most important aspect of life. They are thus spared these mental contortions, which is just a road to nowhere.

    There should be absolutely no need to read all that pretentious nonsense, “again, and again, and again,” like a person stuck in an imaginary time loop.

    Finally, let me return the favour and say… it pains me to say it, but it is beyond my understanding how so many still adhere to the batshit delusions of eastern Dindooism, Taoism, Zen-ism, etc., and not just those too, but including the pagan polytheist mangods-worshipping godlessness of Chrizzianity & Judenism.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  267. @Albertus

    …that gives him more fuel to fire his atheism

    My atheism? Isn’t it incredible that I denounce atheism as another big lie, and then I’m called an atheist? This is symptomatic of Christianity (in the medical sense, I mean).

    Don’t give up on the faith Mr. Guyenot! Christ is real. Pray on it. Count on it!

    My faith is strong, thanks. I have never felt so close to God. As a matter of fact, I do pray Mary, the eternal Asherah, who is also Sophia, the feminine manifestation of Truth. Truth is God, and Truth is a Woman. When you love her inconditionnally, you feel her love in return. Try it.

    • Thanks: Gulnare
  268. @GeneralRipper

    Do you think I could ever believe, or pretend to believe, that God dictated such nonsense as the Quran? The God that speaks (Hebrew, Arab, whatever) is such a ridiculous concept! If you are sincerely interested in my faith, you may want to read: https://www.unz.com/article/enshrining-god-in-the-constitution-robespierres-great-idea/
    But of course, you are not. Your comment is proof enough that truth is no concern of yours. That goes with being a Christian.

  269. @Mefobills

    In terms of pressure and leverage, it is good to push on a force that is already in motion, and going in the direction you want. There are already a large number of Christians in the world, and programming them with new knowledge is easier than creating a new religion.

    I doubt it. Christians are not interested in new knowledge. They are not interested in truth, because their criterion for truth is dogma. In their eyes, truth seekers who depart from dogma are “enemies of the truth.” Deep down, they fear truth, because they know that if they start to doubt that Jesus is their Savior, they might never believe again. Doubt is the way to truth, but doubt is fatal to dogma. Once you doubt dogma, you can never go back to it.

  270. Levtraro says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    And I do think that faith in both a Creator and in immortality are the necessary foundation for public morality.

    Those ideas are not a necessary foundation for public morality. If anything, religion facilitates vice, indecency, hate, tyranny and crime because it provides dogmatic excuses for anti-social behaviour. Religion has highjacked natural morality in the same way that the State has highjacked natural hierarchy.

    Having said that, I still like christianity far better than the other two major abrahamic superstitions, on account of being, as the latest edition of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy says of the Earth, “mostly harmless”.

  271. If Christianity is an intellectual Jewish subversive movement against the goyim then why have they been vehemently trying to destroy it at all costs over the last 2000 years.
    You do not create a subversive movement that points a finger at the corrupt Jewish elite, Dilutes the membership into a new religion, results in the persecution and death of the founders, Elevates your enemies to the greatest civilization ever seen on earth, negates any significance of the temple and temple sacrifice.
    There is no doubt that modern-day Christianity has been corrupted by Jewish subversion, but the original movement perhaps until the early 1900s was vehemently anti-Jew.

    • Agree: Garliv, GeneralRipper
  272. @Laurent Guyénot

    Well?
    You have to ask God not me!
    The proof is in the 10 commandments.
    But if you ask me for the reason, I can give you my opinion.
    The Persians were wealthy people with powerful empire.
    The Jews were proletariat of the world. Leaving Egypt they had no country, no land and no wealth.
    Not even houses to live in.
    So God was thinking that he could work with them.

  273. @anon

    Your mind is clouded by hatred!
    Have a few drinks to loosen up.

  274. Emslander says:

    Ron Unz is the classic loser. He must possess superb publishing design talents to come up with the best potential opinion page and comment accessibility on the internet. Given those talents, he has consistently gone the extra mile to insult the intelligence of his most natural readers with an article like this. Then to have the author of the article join in the comments and further exacerbate the offenses with mindless anti-Christian drivel only tends to send once loyal readers away.

    For the third and last time, so long.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  275. @Laurent Guyénot

    I denounce atheism as another big lie

    Quelle délusion, je pensais que vous aviez compris beaucoup de choses, et là plouf, vous faites partie des vaticinateurs de mensonges… Mais bon, si vous avez besoin de béquilles…

    What a delusion, I thought you had understood so many things, and here bang, you are one of the vaticinators of lies… But OK, if you need crutches…

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Featherless
  276. “Not once does Paul or any other first century epistle writer identify their divine Christ Jesus with the recent historical man known from the Gospels. Nor do they attribute the ethical teachings they put forward to such a man.”

    This is Paul in 1 Corinthians.

    For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

    Since Christ died, he had to have lived as a human. And Paul mentions crucifixion in the same letter.

    But we preach Christ crucified-a stumbling block to Jews and an absurdity to Gentiles.”

    “I determined that while I was with you I would speak of nothing but Jesus Christ and him crucified.”

    If you wanted to believe in some kind of Jewish founder of Christianity it can only be Paul. Nothing else makes sense. Jews setting up a religion to benefit Jews but one which is opposed to them from the get go makes little sense, a once off convert who tries to convert Jews and Gentiles does make sense.

    The claims that Christianity copied Mithras is another dead end. Mithraism is more like a militaristic Masonic cult. It’s catechism is unknown. In many ways it appealed to the exact opposite people – military men and not slaves and women.

    ( I’m an atheist by the way. )

  277. When did Jesus become a Jew? When the “Jewish” John the Baptist baptized him? When did Jews ever baptize? According to Benjamin Freedman the English word “Jew” never even existed until about 250 years ago so why would Christians so readily accept it that Jesus was Jewish? To have all of Christianity accept a Jewish Jesus it was a slow but well planned process full of bribes, trickery and re-writing the Bible using clowns like Cyrus Scofield and other known and unknown so-called “Christian” leaders but they got it done. It also helped to buy up or own the best publishing companies and media. So now if someone says Jesus was not Jewish they are attacked and scorned by Christians themselves.
    How does one hold onto their faith when their beliefs (and spiritual leaders) have betrayed them time and time again wearing them down to the point where nothing makes sense and a shattered life is all that remains of a once hopeful faithful person ? Churches are full of people like that. They know nothing else.

    • Replies: @Garliv
    , @DaveE
  278. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @mcohen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/17/pope-francis-ends-pontifical-secrecy-rule-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church

    See asshole (exscuse the pun)…… pressure from the “psyops” forced the pope to finally take action.

    Yeah, whatever. The percentage of Catholic priests involved in child sex abuse is no higher than other denominations and actually lower than the general population or among public educators. But we know who controls the narrative and their agenda.

    I’m amused at your suggestion that the pope taking action is evidence of the extent of the problem rather than the Church showing her willingness to be more proactive against bad priests. Because nowadays public actions taken to mitigate a problem or threat are never proportionate to the actual problem or threat.

    And one Jamaican Brit Islamic convert tried to set off some C-4 explosive in his shoe (w/ visco fuse and wet matches) in 2001 and 5 years later the problem of shoe bombs on planes was deemed such a problem that the TSA started to require billions of air travelers to remove their shoes. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    A total of 0.05% of the U.S. population has died from health conditions with COVID-19 and 0.003% of the population has died from COVID-19 only. Yet the widespread threat of death from COVID-19 requires us to shut down our economy, shut down our schools, wear face masks everywhere (even outdoors), and stay away from family and friends. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    Again, we know who controls the narrative and their agenda.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  279. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    Early Christianity or more correctly it’s evolution leave many questions that threaten the foundation of the Christianity as we know .
    Lets start with the gatherings of the 12 disciples at first passover since the crucifixion ,the rise of Jesus and the permanent disappearance . Passover was sacrificial. Why did they come ? Wasn’t already “banned “and disproved by Jesus ”

    Let’s talk of the first martyr – Stephen His violent demise by the crowds took place because his denunciation of the animal sacrifice and preaching of the fact that the temple had been rendered unnecessary by Jesus Christ .

    Temple was not made redundant . It became the permanent fixture and face of Christianity the for next 2000 years .They simply relocated it to Rome within a few hundred years . Meanwhile they joined the congregants at the same temple to worship with other Jews for decades until it was blown to pieces .

    ” All four Gospels imagine Jesus moving in a world where the Temple still stood (Mt. 8:3–4/Mk. 1:40–44/Lk. 5:13–14; Mt. 26:17–19/Mk. 14:12–16/Lk. 22:7–14/Jn. 2:13–16). Although the Temple’s destruction is “predicted” (these “predictions” date from a period after the Temple was, in fact, destroyed) (Mt. 24:1–3/Mk. 13:1–4/Lk. 21:5–7/Jn. 2:19), there is no rejection of sacrifice to be found in these texts. Scholars have sometimes pointed to Jesus’ violent actions in the Temple (Mt. 21:12–13/Mk. 11:15–17/Lk. 19:45–46) as an example of his rejection of the Temple rituals, but such an interpretation is far from clear. The scene depicts Jesus objecting to buying and selling in the Temple, but he makes no objection to the rituals themselves. ” and

    ” Thus, the Synoptic authors have no qualms in imaging Jesus eating sacrificial meat and thereby participating in the Judean sacrificial rituals. This is also evidence that the Synoptic authors themselves do not see the Temple incident as Jesus’ rejection of sacrifice. If they believed Jesus rejected sacrifice upon his entry into Jerusalem (the Synoptic chronology; note that John puts this event years earlier [Jn. 2:14–16]), why would they portray him participating the Passover sacrifice just a few days later?” and

    “Acts furthers this picture by imagining the disciples frequenting the Temple after Jesus’ death (for example, 2:26; 3:1; 5:12, 20, 42). Even more explicitly, Acts depicts Paul performing animal sacrifice in Jerusalem (21:23–26; 24:17).”-http://www.oxfordbiblicalstudies.com/resource/sacrifice_nt.xhtml

    Jesus teachings on worldly sins ,on family ,judgment day and on observational rites were pretty transparent and direct compared to the issues of his mission nature and relationship with God.

    Sacrifice was a problem for following reasons- 1 poor Christians s possibly couldn’t afford .2 Rome was demanding sacrifice but to glorify and submit to Roman gods .By ridding itself of the sacrifice Christians had found a way of not challenging while observing the new religion
    3 There was no central place to gather and sacrifice .
    4 By emphasizing the crucifixion as the cosmic sacrifice ,early Christians elevated the sufferings of Jesus to religiously meaningful level which also leaves no room for intellectual support for additional sacrifice . Ultimate price for all humanity (sin) has been paid ,no need for new recurring annual sacrifice .
    5 Jesus was portrayed as lamb . How could one sacrifice a lamb anymore ? It offered nice escape hatch to claim that Jesus was all love and peace and god is all forgiving benevolent . Sacrifice is cruelty and Jesus would have none of it .But the facts dont hold up that claim .

    Christianity is a mix of paganism and monotheism . A story was available to make it suitable for the masses Early fathers of the church used it to it’s fullest with muscle power of the police and the military and financial strength of the Roma empire .

  280. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @mcohen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/17/pope-francis-ends-pontifical-secrecy-rule-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church

    See asshole (exscuse the pun)…… pressure from the “psyops” forced the pope to finally take action.

    Yeah, whatever. The percentage of Catholic priests involved in child sex abuse is no higher than other denominations and actually lower than the general population or public educators. But we know who controls the narrative and their agenda.

    I’m amused at your suggestion that the pope taking action is evidence of the extent of the problem rather than an opportunity for the Church to show her responsiveness and transparency. Because nowadays public actions taken to mitigate a problem or threat are never proportionate to the actual problem or threat.

    And one Jamaican Brit Islamic convert tried to set off some C-4 explosive in his shoe (w/ visco fuse and wet matches) in 2001 and 5 years later the problem of shoe bombs on planes was deemed such a problem that the TSA started to require billions of air travelers to remove their shoes. Again, there was just one attempted shoe bombing. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    A total of 0.05% of the U.S. population has died from health conditions with COVID-19 and 0.003% of the population has died from COVID-19 only. Yet the widespread threat of death from COVID-19 requires us to shut down our economy, shut down our schools, wear face masks everywhere (even outdoors), and stay away from family and friends. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    Again, we know who controls the narrative and their agenda.

  281. gay troll says: • Website
    @Seraphim

    “James the brother of Jesus who was called Christ”. First of all, there were a ton of Jesuses in 1st century Judea. They were all named after the Hebrew savior Joshua. Josephus mentions over a dozen different Jesuses. Second, there were a ton of aspiring Christs. Jerusalem needed and anticipated a Messiah to destroy Rome and rule the nations. Both Jesus as a translation for Joshua and Christ as translation for Messiah were in use since the creation of the Septuagint in ~250 BCE. They were common terms for 300 years before Josephus wrote them down. Finally, assuming Josephus is actually referencing the Pauline Christ and not a random messiah reject, his use of the term “brother” is metaphorical. As Paul says, all Christians are brothers. The bottom line is that Josephus, despite being a historian, does not corroborate a single detail of the life of Christ presented in the Gospels.

    the Jews having put him to death, although he was a man most distinguished for his justice

    Josephus doesn’t actually say this, Origen is misrepresenting his source like a good apologist. Josephus says the high priest Ananus “assembled the Sanhedrin of judges and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned.”

    Acharya S argues that the part about “Christ” is an interpolation, just like the Flavian Testimony which Eusebius concocted decades later. She writes, “Because in the same section Josephus discusses Jesus, the high priest replacing Annas, it is possible that the phrase “brother of Jesus” is genuine and refers to that Jesus” (Suns of God p.391).

    No matter how charitably we interpret Josephus, or even Paul, nothing changes the fact that the Gospels are fake history texts, fiction deliberately presented as history: satire, propaganda, plagiarism, heresy. Neither Paul, nor Josephus, nor any other witness of the first century can even begin to validate the events described in the Gospels.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper, Seraphim
  282. @anon

    How much of anything we read as history is ancient “fake news”?

    – In the case of the Flavians, most of Josephus and Suetonius.
    – In the case of the Hebrews, their boasts are hilarious and even the lipsticked version of their exploits makes a pig barf; a sicker collection of revenge fantasies would be hard to find.

    But what did you expect? It´s history 😀

  283. Garliv says:
    @John Q Duped

    Thank you. Bible is subtly but surely being rewritten. There lots of Bible study “guides” and new translations that keep on twisting, actually falsifying, Scriptures. You now find translations which now no longer talk of Abraham Seed, but translate it as “descendants” or “offsprings” of course murking the original so as Zionists and other frauds can find justification. And they claim they are “making it easier” for majority to read.
    Church leaders and preachers are now worse. They interpret to make people happy or to serve some political agenda. Am aware of well known preacher featured on TVs and Radios and he had to almost always exhort “special place of Israel and Jews” in the Bible. Turna out he started doing it so that various TV and radios stations could broadcast him across US and beyond.

    Then Christians are passive lots. For example, no one can comfortably dismiss Islam or Judaism as easily as Christianity get trashed. Woe unto any person especially in the West who would critique Judaism. He would be silenced within no time or worse be jailed on crime of hate.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @John Q Duped
  284. gay troll says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    My faith is strong, thanks. I have never felt so close to God. As a matter of fact, I do pray Mary, the eternal Asherah, who is also Sophia, the feminine manifestation of Truth. Truth is God, and Truth is a Woman. When you love her inconditionnally, you feel her love in return. Try it.

    Amen.

  285. @Emslander

    You have a ridiculously small mind. Ron has no time to read analyze and judge every article which is published. You have to take good staff with dose of garbage. It is up to you to voice your opinion on the article. Mother selects the food for her baby to eat.
    ………………………………………
    You are not a baby!!!!

    • Disagree: Stan d Mute
  286. Garliv says:
    @Eugene Norman

    To be honest the writer of the essay makes does not seem to have thoroughly read the Bible itself. Or appreciate theological underpinnings on what the essay seek to critique. Even mistake Babylon in the Book of Revelation as referring to Rome while Christians understand to be Jerusalem. Bible itself has clues to that.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  287. I enjoyed this very much. I’ve been convinced for a long time that religious scripts, no matter the era or location of origin, are manmade. They always reek of human interests, they are mere carrot-and-stick people control mechanisms, keeping the masses obedient and granting power and privileges to the “middlemen”. This is the first time i see this scenario brought up with such unveiled clarity. It is an excellent starting point for a search for more sources like these.

    • Agree: Majority of One
  288. @Laurent Guyénot

    Jesus is quoted at John 8:44 as saying to the Jews of the oral tradition which became the Talmud:

    “You are the children of your father the devil and your father’s lusts you eagerly pursue. He was a murder from the beginning and is the father of lies…”

    Learning as we have been doing of the evils that ethnic group of the Talmudic tradition has been committing relentlessly from the time He spoke those words to today, no further proof of His Divinity is reasonably necessary.

    Lets end that diabolical evil by the only effective defense humans have mustered since He spoke of it: The traditional Roman Catholic Church.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
  289. Art says:
    @Art

    There is no question but that the Christian religion has carried the philosophy to humanity. But is also true, that it is the philosophy that has benefited mankind.

    There can be no question but that idealistic Christian philosophy is the mother of liberty for humanity.

  290. @AnonStarter

    As Jefferson’s self-referent cognomen was “Majority of One”, I feel the need to point out that though TJ–as a universalist polymath–sought out understandings and wisdom from numerous sources, including, as you point out, contemporary Islamic thought; that train of consideration was rather secondary to his realizations, as mentored by Franklin, were primarily based on a more truly American tradition, native specifically, created by those wise women and men who developed the Iroquois Confederacy.

    It is a historical fact that the prime progenitor of America’s first federated government, under the Articles of Confederation, were the principles underlying the brotherhood unification of the previously internecine warring Iroquoian tribes.

    “Out of many, One” or “E Pluribus, Unum”, was the lodestone for that confederated assembly of states which was titled “These United States of America”. That appellation was also employed in the original preamble to the 1787 Constitution. Devious redactions by the likes of the arch-Federalist, John Marshall and his egregious successors made a seemingly slight but ultimately telling change into “THE United States of America”.

    Interesting the homonymic resonance between lawyers and liars.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  291. Liza says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for asking.

    Well, inasmuch as the beautiful Christmas & Easter stories are illustrations/metaphors for new ideas (at least new to the folks in the area now known as the ME), the mythologists could have had her do whatever was necessary, when she saw how much her Son pissed off the powerful long before the persecution and execution. Maybe Mary should have sacrificed herself the way that Corleone’s mother did in Godfather #2 when the terrible time came to pass. Now, that was a real mother. True believers should be angry over the depiction of the mother of Christ.

    So I could ask, why did she not even attempt to change the trajectory of her Son’s life? What is it about this whole story that has seized so many? Because we see ourselves as helpless, hopeless and in need of a Savior? The majority of the world doesn’t seem to think in this manner.

    I hope that my answer to your question will not be rejected out of hand.

  292. Art says:

    Oh’ dear – 12,400 well done words mostly extolling the achievements of the traitorous Jew – Josephus’ and his historical cohorts.

    Oh’ – And the mother of human liberty – idealistic Christian philosophy is trashed.

    Hmm – what is wrong here?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  293. Mefobills says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I doubt it. Christians are not interested in new knowledge. They are not interested in truth, because their criterion for truth is dogma. In their eyes, truth seekers who depart from dogma are “enemies of the truth.

    You are conflating classes. There are a class of people who are truth seekers, and another class that are followers. This is true within a church and outside of a church.

    In the absence of religion, the human animal will create one; to then make sense of the world and give them a set of software to define behavior.

    A large segment of any population just wants to go along to get along. Women especially are driven by emotion or shaming. They need their narrative programming otherwise they will malfunction.

    So, a large group of humans, including Christians meeting in their Sunday pews, are ready to receive instruction.

    We can blame the instruction, or what you call dogma.

    I am saying that the dogma needs to be changed to be in alignment and in context of what Jesus actually said. In other words, the “dogma” blowers no longer have a leg to stand on. They are wrong, and this is an existential crises for Christianity. It is now proven that they are wrong, and this will be a slowly dawning realization, despite your dismissal.

    https://michael-hudson.com/2017/12/he-died-for-our-debt-not-our-sins/

    Jesus Christ was a socialist activist for the continuity of regular debt jubilees that were considered essential to the wellbeing of ancient economies

    Just this one quote above, is completely at variance with the “teachings” from the pulpit.

    There are Christians who are interested in the Logos, to find what the natural order is. Jesus actually defined the natural order, and this definition is timeless. Unfortunately, as you say – those who benefit from dogma, have twisted the scripture – to self aggrandize.

    Some examples of Christian thinkers in the past who weren’t self aggrandizing, include the Schoolastics, such as Thomas Aquinas’s school.

    The schoolastics were shouted down by the usual dogma types.

    Catholic tradition, stemming from the schoolastics, defined usurious loans, and kept the Jew and usury at bay for centuries.

    Agnosticism or Atheism dogma doesn’t have what it takes to regulate the roughly 60-80 percent of the population that are not critical thinkers; this unthinking class of people just want to be told what to do, and that they are doing good. BLM virtue signalers are of this cohort.

    Popular memes from a few years ago showed NPC’s, non player characters – waiting for their download.

    The real questions are: what is the prevailing dogma (narrative), and how is the hierarchy constructed?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  294. Robjil says:
    @Schuetze

    The French Revolutionaries had no respect for the past. A bit like Isis, Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, of today. Isis does the same things in Syria and Iraq.
    https://www.medieval.eu/the-sound-of-the-maior-ecclesia-of-cluny/

    The Romanesque church of Cluny was arguably one of the great wonders of the high Middle Ages. In fact, it was the largest church before the building of the present St. Peter’s in Rome. Founded in 910, the Abbey itself played a profound role as a theological as well as political and economical centre of Europe until the beginning of the 13th century.

    Unfortunately, the Abbey with its church – the Maior Ecclesia – suffered a terrible destruction after the French revolution. Today, no more than 8% of the abbatial church is left standing.

  295. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Did any of these other conquerors reach the heights of the Christioans?

    Yep. Islam took the Southern and Western Mediterranean shores back from the Greeks/Romans and eventually destroyed the Byzantine Empire, last significant trace of the Romans’ Empire.
    Lamaistic Buddhism (also Tibetan Buddhism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism) is what finally stopped Islam cold in its expansion to its East, by resisting Islamic proselytism. You can still see that resistance today (https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306).

    As we drift back into paganism and atheism, we’ll find ourselves and the world much worse off, under much worse despotism, the kind found in the empires of your Persians, Mongols and Tibetans.

    Yes, indeed. We find ourselves in a world overflowing with unskilled labor, and the unskilled labor is displacing the automation and industrialization that has characterized the West. The West could very well end in the same Malthusian trap that afflicted China: labor costs decline to the absolute minimum costs of food, clothing, and shelter. The population becomes unskilled (as there is no surplus for education) and the political need to keep the population too busy to rebel forbids automation, and also consumes the capital needed for investments in automation. In the present world, automated machines that are tended by humans satisfies this criterion by employing large numbers of unskilled people.

    As you can see, unskilled labor has led to a failure of meat supply, as the workers are attacked by a bioweapon.

    In any case, if industrialization fails, then the West’s achievements will be remembered as a “Well, that didn’t work” episode, sort of like the stories of the “golden age”, and will be considered as comparable to the Islamic and Tibetan successes. History doesn’t give many trophies for participation, as we all know.

    Which brings me to a point I often repeat: Justifying the West’s current losses by citing its glorious past doesn’t save my children from a bleak future right now.

    If you want a parallel case, consider this:

    Christianity had best stop sacrificing its adherents, ere it end up like the Skoptics (https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2016/08/25/the-skoptsy-the-story-of-the-russian-sect-that-maimed-for-its-beliefs_624175)

    • Replies: @Rich
  296. @Rich

    Except that under the Banner of Christ, the Caucasian race reached its highest level.

    It is the most vile of calumnies spun by morosophs that the greatness of my people was due to the insipid fabulist bullshit mythology foisted on many of them by Jews. I’d also note that this same diseased confabulation falsely elevates the Jew and provides his only plausible connection with white genius before the 20th century.

    • Disagree: Rich
  297. HA says:
    @AnonStarter

    “your understanding of abrogation in Islam is misinformed — or, quite possibly, both.”

    Tell it to those Barbary pirates who doubtless took a different view, acting as they were on a tradition that extended back to their prophet. And tell ISIS while you’re at it. In short, sort out your own household before you presume to dictate to mine.

    “Jefferson had purchased his first copy of George Sale’s translation of The Qur’an nearly two decades earlier, in 1765”

    And the Barbary pirates and their antecedents have, as I noted, been around since about the 7th century. Which do you think he learned about first? Moreover, I read the Quran four times before the concept of abrogation was explained to me. Now THAT was a revelation, and having received it, I learned at that point never to trust anyone’s opinion on Islam — no matter how flattering — until they too had that notion drilled into them. I don’t know when Jefferson become aware of it, if ever, but I’m guessing the words of the ambassador that I cited ultimately proved more relevant in day to day dealings with Islam as it is, as opposed to whatever he might have hoped it was back in Medina.

    And no one is saying that one needs a disdain for Islam to want to go to war with Barbary pirates. Whether they are renegade Muslims, or else acting out of utmost piety doesn’t change the fact that they’re…how shall I put this?… oh yeah, PIRATES!, carrying on a long unbroken tradition extending back to the founding of their religion. Of course one goes to war with them — haven’t we all learned that by now? Nonetheless, the fact that they took blithe justification and inspiration from their book for all those centuries in doing what they did says far more about what religious tolerance means in Islam than seeing “the influence of certain elements of its teaching” or whatever delicate little phrases with which one grasps at establishing a connection that simply isn’t there.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  298. @anonymous

    “Spiritually intelligent people”, to reconsider your term, do NOT adhere to any form of manmade “revealed” religion. Spiritually connected folk, the “Pagani” as the civic/urbane ancient Romans would call us, walk what the Lakota people call “the Red Road”, where some damnable book created by man, is but chaff in the wind.

    An excellent spiritual primer, by an author who is not burdened with religioistic hubris is a Metis natives man: Roger Thunderhands Gilbert. Title of his book, filled with simple parables and anecdotes rather than theological angels dancing on the head of a pin, is “Listen to the Wind—speak from the heart”.

    The root word “Pagani” which I referenced, is known today by religionists such as yourself as “Pagans”—a putdown term by those of a fallen state who are determinedly intent on separation from the natural world given unto our use by Creator. It is through daily intercourse with the natural environment where we can achieve the simple wisdom that All is One and One is All. As humans we are as Rupert Sheldrake might term it, holographic extensions of Creator. One of the real wisdom teachings accorded to Jesus is that god is within.

    I present a novel (perhaps) and unbutressed theory: It is based on an earlier theory, that of Nuclear Metaphysics. The destructive force embodied within the smashing of the atom (nuclear physics) is ultimately balanced by an equal but opposite force—that being Nuclear Metaphysics. There is wisdom to be found within the Tao which you dismissingly deride—the elementary principle of balanced polarities. The Taoistic understanding (realization) is symbolized by what we in the West call the Yin-Yang formulation. The white element contains a dot of black as it’s “eye”. Correspondingly, the black features a similarly placed dot of white. Balance.

    The ultimate denouement of this civilization which I describe as the “Judie-Christie Magick-Mindfuck is the prime result of revealed religiosity damming up the cohesion of the Created world and thus of humanity’s intuitive understanding of the oneness of all being. At Woodstock in 1969 this realization was beautifully expressed in the lines “back to the garden”. Earth itself IS the Garden of Eden. Separation from this simple connectivity is the prime cause of our devolving demise.

    No Creator in his right mind would even consider espousing a “Chosen People”. Such is the theology, though, of the JudieChristie MagickMindfuck. Yahweh is either a discarnate evil spirit or the degraded concoction of the ancient Hebrews as their tribal WarGod. As the enabling precondition for the development of Christianity, Yahweh is the poisoned tree, of which Christianity is the poisoned fruit.

    We are entering upon the denouement of the Age of Pisces, symbolized by the fish, but subsumed and superseded by Constantine’s Cross: “In Hoc Signe Vincis”–in this sign conquer. Thus was the Gnostic inspired Jesusite seeking of a spiritualized replacement for Talmudic Judaism replaced by the horrors of the manmade monstrosity (complete with Monstrances) which calls itself Christianity, but in fact is nothing more than Churchianity—a state-sponsored, priestcraft enforced—form of mind-control.

  299. DaveE says:
    @John Q Duped

    To have all of Christianity accept a Jewish Jesus it was a slow but well planned process full of bribes, trickery and re-writing the Bible using clowns like Cyrus Scofield and other known and unknown so-called “Christian” leaders but they got it done.

    I think this nails it, Thank You. I also think you summarized this brilliant piece by Mr. Guyanot, albeit pointing more directly to Jewish subversion and infil-traition of The Church, with the intent of destroying the underlying concepts of decency, as taught by Jesus, that Shlomo finds so threatening to his World Takeover Agenda.

    Anyway, I won’t add more noise to this already deafening pissing contest, other than to say that I find it quite profound that the basic truths taught by Christ, identical to those taught by Buddha 500 years prior, have somehow managed to survive the endless machinations of Shlomo for the last few thousand years.

    Thank you both and especially to Mr. Guyanot for another brilliant essay. You are truly a genius, Sir.

    • Thanks: John Q Duped
  300. Rich says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    “Many are called, few are chosen.” It would appear obvious that you aren’t one of the chosen. That’s okay, I still wish you a happy life. That being said, you are completely wrong about Christians not seeking “Truth”. Those who call themselves Christians, have in fact searched for, and found the Truth. When Pilate stood before Christ and asked “What is truth?”, he didn’t realize Truth was standing right in front of him.

    I see little chance of uniting the indigenous European people under atheism, paganism or philosophy. We were united once, in Christendom, and that is the best path for saving our homelands and securing our children’s futures.

  301. @Rich

    From the very beginning of Christianity, “conservative” values have not only been followed, they’ve been demanded by both the New Testament and Church leaders.

    You are simple aren’t you? You think that the JewGod who genocides without a thought, who slaughters infants, who condones every war crime imaginable, is a moral authority? You slander my ancestors Jew. Your bullshit was foisted on unsuspecting rubes who probably accepted it only because it did little more than rename their holidays. It’s a yoke under which we have suffered and slaved for two millennia and is of such great utility to you chosenites that it still terrifies you to think about.

    • Disagree: Rich
  302. @Art

    Oh’ – And the mother of human liberty – idealistic Christian philosophy is trashed.

    Hmm – what is wrong here?

    You guys are hilarious. You spend your lives making us believe that you hate hate hate jeebus & santy claws, but at the first suggestion of their abandonment, your real terror emerges. The Goy-Oxen may slip their bi-millennial yoke? That’s an existential problem back in TelAvivision land huh?

  303. @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    John is writing after the final schism when Christians break away from Jews. This again goes against the idea that Jews created Christianity deliberately. They wouldn’t have written John.

  304. @gay troll

    With apologies to Schopenhauer, only the French could have come up with the notion that Truth is female.

  305. Monsieur Guyanot: Merci pour votre essai admirable. So much for my two years of American high school lessons en Francaise (ca 1960-62). You have called the question, sir. As I stated a few posters back, Christianity is essentially the fruit of the poisoned tree; that tree being the (take your choice) discarnate evil entity or manmade tribal WarGod, Yahweh, of the ancient Hebrews as amplified by the Babylonian Talmud.

    The Irish Poet, William Butler Yeats wrote, almost exactly a century ago in ‘Second Coming’: “The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loose upon the land.” Yeats was a visionary, much like Nietsche, who roughly a generation before Yeats, wrote his now famous line “God is Dead”. His proposition was more in mourning than in celebration. Based on his understanding of history and realizations of the general thrust of denouement within the Western tradition, Nietzsche full well realized that the very foundation of the contra-Hellenic rootstock of our common cultural grundlage was in a state of deepening decay and would ultimately crumble, and with it the superstructure of some 1,700 years would self-destruct in resonance with the exegetical German Lutheran theologians’ conclusion (along, in a sense, with the awakening micro-understandings of atheists, agnostics and humanists).

    Thusly, we are at a major crossroads in time and in space. Human hubris and greed is ultimately, under capitalist overlordship, destructive of the natural, created environment. The majority of humans now live in massive urban concentrations—pure abstraction as an obstruction to intuitive connection with the natural world.

    Western humanity–and along with it most of the modern world– is spiritually adrift—essentially vacant. In the words of Gertrude Stein in describing Oakland, California: “There is no there, there”. Ironically today, the Oakland Hills features a major enclave of “mother knows best” lesbians.

    Currently, humanit tap dances on a tightrope. We appear to be positioned in a thunderous current, midway between Charibdis and Skylla. Many live in a depressed state, mourning that there is “No Exit to Brooklyn”. That is the negative point of view. Spiritually infused individuals, ever seekers of truth and perhaps endowed with Bucke’s “cosmic consciousness” realize that we are spirits, living a material lifetime, as extensions of Creator’s own being, experiencing all that we conjointly could imagine.

    Balanced opposites. We most certainly are at the denouement of the Age of Pisces—thus the inevitable dissolution of the Judaic and Philo-semitic element within Western culture. Our task is one of syncretization between and among the visions of the Hellenes of the Periclean Era, the balance to be found in the East Asian Tao and finally, the intuitive understandings achieved by all indigenous cultures throughout the planet and most tangibly achievable via the anthropological studies and the contemporary resurgence of Native American wholistic perceptivity. Perhaps there are additional streams which may be added to this flowage–entheogenics comes to mind. The writings of Terrence McKenna might be helpful in that. Most of the answers to our dilemma are to be ferreted out by the seekers of truth.

    Again, Monsieur, I much appreciate your endeavors and am rather envious of your capacity for deep research…the qualities of a true scholar.

    • Agree: Levtraro
    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  306. Art says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Christians are not interested in new knowledge. They are not interested in truth, because their criterion for truth is dogma.

    Please – what about Isaac Newton – a strong Christian.

    You are totally missing the whole picture of Christianity.

    Concentrating on the machinations of the hierarchy leads to missing the essence of the intellectual goodness and success of Christian philosophy.

    Jesus “the truth will set you free”

    There is no better philosophy then those words.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  307. @Emslander

    Then to have the author of the article join in the comments and further exacerbate the offenses with mindless anti-Christian drivel only tends to…

    …make me laugh. seriously it was the best part of the entire thing. absolutely hilarious. the (usually gay) secular judeomasonic types are a comedy and a tragedy all wrapped up into an apocalypse. if they aren’t homosexuals they are full blown seculars who marry the imported muslima woman, at least that’s what the one homo soy boy “master” at the local lodge did. this particular frenchman fancies himself fancy and sophisticated but the writing just comes off angry and gay like that one angry gay kraut guy, nietzsche (another homo soy boy who loved the confines of the windowless empty room to hide with other gay soy boys; who they seem to love; whom they boost up to be something he was not; their idol). personally i know the franc to be more sophisticated than the kraut, so what is your deal laurent? why so gay-secular and anti-christian? are you getting good boy points redeemed wherever that may be? why do i get the feeling laurent would have guillotined Christ and dipped his unwashed clothing in his blood and declared himself a king? is laurent a homosexual? what is the anti-Christ obsession?

    Ron Unz is the classic loser.- ehhh noho to haavard ain’t bad. hopefully he laughs at this shiet too.

  308. @Rich

    I see little chance of uniting the indigenous European people under atheism, paganism or philosophy. We were united once, in Christendom, and that is the best path for saving our homelands and securing our children’s futures.

    This is a reasonable way to put it, and believe me, I respect this viewpoint. I used to share it, more or less. As I wrote, I would support that path if I believed it had a chance to save our civilization. The White genius gave Christianity all those adaptive aspects that made it a positive unifying force, despite its severe drawbacks. But seen from my standpoint here in France, I would be a fool to invest any hope in Christianity today. Again, look at our pope! Look at American churches in general. You believe that Christianity is the only path; I believe we have to find a new path: it is not atheism, not paganism (in the sense you probably understand it: I am definitely not a neo-pagan), but it certainly includes philosophy. Since you’re asking, I’ll think about a new path and let you know on this Unz Review when I have thought it out. Cheers.

    • Agree: DaveE
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @anonymous
  309. @Mefobills

    I’m not sure I understand your strategy, and I don’t know exactly your viewpoint from which your strategy derives, but here are some thoughts.
    You say “In the absence of religion, the human animal will create one,” but I don’t consider religion that way. The very term religion is problematic, because we use that term using Christianity as our model (that is why we think Judaism is a religion). Man, basically, believes that this visible world is not the only reality, and that there is another world, in fact more real. This is the world of spirits, and this is where the dead go. This is “natural religion”. In my view, men believe this because it is a fundamental truth, and this is the truth that elevates man, from individual level up to all collective levels. This is an eternal truth. Religions are not eternal, and I really don’t think that mankind needs anything resembling this pattern of religion based on holy books.
    Strategically, as I wrote, I would support Christianity, like so many non believers in the past, if I could see it as a vital organ of nations or of the White race. But at this point, I think that trying to save it is a loss of time. You are surely right that most Christian followers could easily be let to change their beliefs if they were taught that the new beliefs were Christians. Most of them, after all, don’t care about the Trinity or anything but the notion of God and the notion of their soul’s immortality. But Christians are, by definition, subservient to authority, and the new beliefs would have to come from the leading Christians, not you or me. And leading Christians, by my experience, dogmatic: they are the gardians of dogma (virgin birth, resurrection, etc., the very things that are alienating our rational mind). And, worse, their deepest loyalty goes to their imaginary Savior, not to their own kind. White civilization will not be saved by them, because it can only be saved by people whose deepest, sacrificial loyalty is their own kind; people who are ready to die for their people, not people who are ready to die for their belief system. Again, Christianity is fundamentally, metaphysically individualistic: it cannot produce a sense of belonging to your own kins, a sense of collective soul. (Actually, I’m going to read Jared Taylor’s book on Japan, and perhaps I’ll get a clue there).
    If I had to elaborate a strategy, I would also start from the premise that Whites need to be saved from materialism. Christianity cannot do that either, because the way to overcome materialism is not through dogma, but through truth-seeking (philosophia in the original sense). That is why I am so interested in Intelligent Design and neo-Platonist science of the Rupert Sheldrake kind.
    There would be more to say, of course. One aspect of “natural religion” is hero-worship. We need to honor great men. On that point, I think Thomas Carlyle is right (On Heroes, Hero-Worship, and the Heroic in History, 1840).

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Gulnare
    , @Vaterland
  310. Robjil says:

    This theory, which also explains the mysterious origin of the Sephardim in Spain—a Carthaginian colony—, is of obvious importance to comprehend the attitude of Jews towards the Roman Empire, destroyer of the Phoenician civilization.

    http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2010/06/jews-are-phoenicians-palestinians-are.html

    H.G. Wells already suggested this Phoenician true origin of Jews. In his book A Short History of the World, chapter XXII, he wrote, speaking of Semitic peoples, once all powerful but then defeated by the Indoeuropeans (Persians, Greeks, Romans):

    Is it any miracle that in their days of overthrow and subjugation many Babylonians and Syrians and so forth, and later on many Phoenicians, speaking practically the same language and having endless customs, habits, tastes and traditions in common, should be attracted by this inspiring cult [Judaism] and should seek to share in its fellowship and its promise? After the fall of Tyre, Sidon, Carthage and the Spanish Phoenician cities, the Phoenicians suddenly vanish from history; and as suddenly, we find not simply in Jerusalem but in Spain, Africa, Egypt, the East, wherever the Phoenicians had set their feet, communities of Jews.

    This Spanish Phoenician DNA has been “labeled” Jewish these days. Do any of these DNA studies ever study history? There were many Phoenician colonies in Spain. Phoenicians would have a similar DNA to other West Asians like the Jews of West Asia.

    https://www.jpost.com/magazine/genetic-research-almost-25-percent-of-latinos-hispanics-have-jewish-dna-581959

    Genetic research: almost 25% of Latinos, Hispanics have Jewish DNA
    Unprecedented genetic research undertaken by dozens of professors from around the world has provided evidence that almost a quarter of Latinos and Hispanics have significant Jewish DNA.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  311. @nokangaroos

    Truth is a woman because the love of truth is the essential masculine impulse. Truth is a woman because truth is gracious and beautiful. I’m sorry for you that I had to spell it out!

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  312. @Eugene Norman

    Thank you for the testimony of First Corinthians, a great gem of truth. You seem to be an intelligent and fair-minded reader of the text. I believe your insight and understanding are a gift. Can you let Paul’s faith take you further on the way? God bless. (From a former near-atheist and logical positivist.)

  313. @Laurent Guyénot

    Good luck in your endeavor.
    (Your are probably only naive. Not really gay Jewish propagandist)

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  314. @Zarathustra

    And.
    You need few lectures from Jehovah witnesses.

  315. Mefobills says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I don’t disagree with much, just the approach. What are the weak points where leverage can be applied? Where can you apply pressure to move the ball in the direction you want it to go?

    Here is something that is in alignment with your thesis:

    https://counter-currents.com/2020/12/race-in-the-spanish-empire/

    Though many of the conquistadors made bastards with the Indians, they still saw them as a different people — and the criollos didn’t want them as full members of their society. The clergy strongly opposed that view. The priests saw the Indians as no different from Europeans and urged their full incorporation into colonial society. This impasse inspired the most famous dispute in Imperial Spain’s long history: the Valladolid debate. It pitted the Dominican theologian Bartolome de Las Casas against the philosopher Juan Gines de Sepulveda. Las Casas argued for the clergy, Sepulveda for the colonial hidalgos. The Valladolid controversy was another battle in the eternal battle between the warrior caste and the priestly caste. There’s a good reason Right-wing writers such as Julius Evola and others don’t admire the latter.

    With regards to the priestly class, or caste, the economist Thorstein Vleben had plenty to say:

    https://michael-hudson.com/2012/10/the-social-economics-of-thorstein-veblen/

    Veblen and his fellow institutionalists understood that “the market” was distorted by special “free lunch” privileges to extract income without really contributing to production.

    Conspicuous consumption and leisure characterizes the priestly class.

    https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/veblen/ImperialGermany.pdf

    Altogether its most impressive traits are a certain industrial efficiency, particularly efficiency in the mechanic arts, and its conduciveness to the multiplication of its people; whereas its achievements in political organisation or in the domain of art and religion are relatively slight. It is a civilisation of workmanship and fecundity rather than of dynastic power, statecraft, priestcraft or artistic achievement.

    What you are after is a political organization in the domain of civilization where there is no (((dynastic power))) or a priestcraft acting to self-aggrandize and take rents in the form of leisure. The priestcraft especially likes low wage low IQ brown people as they are easy to dupe and maneuver, to then extract from. It is also fun to have Maria give you B.J’s while Manuel mows the lawn.

    It would take a warrior caste to put the priestly caste back into their box. And to my point from earlier, Christianity is now in a crises and needs reform. During the reform is the time to adjust the code. Statecraft needs a religion that is in alignment.

  316. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anomander

    It is revealing that the article makes sweeping excuses without any supportive evidence or verifiable references, entirely gratuitous apologia. So (((stereotypical))).

  317. @Schuetze

    Great documentary. I find it more compelling than the book (which, in truth, I haven’t read in full yet, but will do). The conclusion, from about 1:15, is really outstanding: keep Christ as a powerful symbol of crucifixion and resurrection, as the Gnostic did, and as all mystery religions did. Biblical revisionists need not be at war against the Christ myth (which is, more of less, Pauline christianity). I’m also happy to see that, at 1:04, Atwill actually shows that Joseph of Arimathea is a fictitious alter ego of Joseph bar Mathias, Josephus’s jewish name. Just like his fictitious alter ego, Josephus pleaded with Titus to remove three of his friends from the cross, and only one survived.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  318. Mr. Guyenot, the questions you arouse are deep. As a man who has believed in the Christ for 65 years this is troubling. What isn’t up for argument is how Biblical this war for the world truly is. The hypothesis put forward here doesn’t explain the centuries deep hatred jews hold in their hearts for Jesus Christ and the cross. Jewish law avainst idoltry isn’t enough. Though I agree the Catholic church has been compromised, and if it began as a conspiracy, why has the hatred been kept alive so long?. 3,000 years to gain rule over this planet seems like too long a time. Unless perpetual division of the masses is necessary. Is Judaism Luciferian?

  319. @Laurent Guyénot

    But still, there is something missing in Atwill’s perspective, which can be completed from Barbiero’s approach: if Christianity was a religion designed for the Jews, how did it become a Gentile religion rejected by the Jews? Did the Flavians’ strategy backfire? Did the Jews outsmart the Romans and used their propaganda as a Trojan horse. The solution is probably to see, as Atwill actually does, Christianity as a joint creation of the Flavians and Jewish priestly families, based on some kind of covenant between them.

  320. Art says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Any religion (almost) is better than no religion. My point is not to get rid of religion, but on the contrary, to argue out that Christianity is a sinking boat, and has a fundamental flaw in its design.

    The Christian Church must modernize its message. Christianity is sinking because it is getting too far afield from modern day physics and understanding. The God that interferes in every day human activity is no longer believable to most minds. But a “God the creator” is believable. The human mind likes the idea of a beginning of time – it is logical. Clearly, God’s universe allows long term good things and advancements to occur. There is a major difference between two thousand years ago and today. That difference is the intellectual philosophical advancements made by Christian culture. The Church must sell its success at creating freedom and liberty and longer life.

    The human mind is a wonderful thing – it naturally likes beauty. The ideals set forth by Jesus’s words are: live with hope, honor life, love your neighbor, seek truth, forgive the past, and extend grace to all – are all simple and beautiful. They advance the future, they never get in the way of the future. They promote longer, safer lives. Thus the church must focus on Jesus, his life and his words. It cannot go wrong.

  321. In their passion for building white towers of Babel, many of the esteemed commentators here do not seem to be ready to accept that for YAHWEH striving towards such perfection which enables such buildings is DOUBLE PLUS BAD.
    For all these reasons, the Gnostics rightly named the god of this material world, demiurgos, a rather unpleasant being.

    Our time is full of hints. Maybe the oh-so-popular meme of relativism should be a hint to you? What is good for you is not good for ….Jews? Jahwe? Someone else?
    The Age of Pisces, which started in the null year A.D. is coming to the end. Everyone looked to the cross, and no one looked to the sky: and two fishes are simply a sign of Christ being a fisherman of people, right?! Hahaha: Jahweh played you again.
    I imagine two fishes swimming in the opposite directions expressed a precarious balance of this age, a balance between EL and Elohim, Jews and Whites.
    Think again: didn’t you commit the most serious sin of Bablism? You see, Jews are misdirection, there are much more serious sins against El, sins for which the punishment is a complete destruction (and yet sins against Jews are not such sins).
    Why is LGBTQ white movement waving the INVERSED rainbow flag of Inca empire, a flag which once was the sign of deliverance from Deluge?! Isn’t like the white catamites screaming to Yahwe, we want more fire and more brimstone, we want more punishment! Rain Fire Yahweh rain! We are the incorrigible, in want of total destruction!
    And as we know, Yahwe is very strong on generational responsibility.

    Something says to me that the coming era of the sixth sun will be a time without both Jews and Whites.
    You guys better free yourself of your covid confinements and look up into the sky!
    Maybe Yahwe is coming, hiding as much as he can behind clouds: never a sign of good intentions.
    Remember the crop circle from 2002, Crabwood, which said “Beware the bearers of FALSE GIFTS and their BROKEN PROMISES. We oppose DECEPTION.” Your only hope is in “we” who oppose DECEPTION, that is that YAHWEH becomes a COSMIC EMBARRASSMENT. That Cosmos itself will be moved to free the island of Earth from YAHWE, The Doctor Moreau.
    Anyway, here a wail of a white woman, the wail of a child never loved by her god:

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  322. @Laurent Guyénot

    The ‘truth’ is a feminine gender in Serbian language (‘Istina’) so as in other Slavic languages, e.g. ‘Pravda’ in Russian.

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    , @Zarathustra
  323. Kapyong says:
    @Oemiktlob

    Surely someone, somewhere (especially the Jewish religious authorities of all groups) at that time would have basically said “Hey, you guys are talking about a guy that’s nothing more than a figment of your imaginations.”, but there is no record of that.

    Celsus, in late 2nd century, attacked the Gospels as fiction based on myths :

    “Clearly the christians have used…myths… in fabricating the story of Jesus’ birth…It is clear to me that the writings of the christians are a lie and that your fables are not well-enough constructed to conceal this monstrous fiction.”

    Porphyry, in late 3rd century, claimed the Gospels were invented :

    “… the evangelists were inventors – not historians”

    Julian, in the 4th century, claimed Jesus was spurious, counterfeit, invented :

    “why do you worship this spurious son…a counterfeit son”, “you have invented your new kind of sacrifice “.

    Julian was “convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness.. ”

    Not to mention various early Christians who denied Jesus came in the flesh, or claimed he was a phantasm.

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  324. Schuetze says:
    @Robjil

    As I understand it, the Phoenicians really came to an end with the end of the age of Taurus, the bull.
    This was also the a large part of the myth of Crete, the Minotaur, which would make it parallel the secret Mithraim cult as LG has linked to in the article.

    Robert Sepehr has all kinds of great videos about Atlantis, the Phoenicians and even Crete. His Atlantean Garden channel is chock full of fascinating information about ancient cultures and history.

  325. @Garliv

    Nicely said Garliv and very true.

    I also Thank You.

  326. Art says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Christianity as a joint creation of the Flavians and Jewish priestly families, based on some kind of covenant between them.

    That is insulting.

    How about Christianity is a creation of Jesus!

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  327. @nokangaroos

    The Ancient Egyptian deity of truth is the goddess Maat.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat

    Wisdom is also personified in the OT as female e.g. Book of Proverbs. This is likely no coincidence as The Ancient Egyptian Instructions of Amenemope in part made its way into the OT Book of Proverbs at the same time (majority view) and wisdom literature is synonym for Maat litteraure.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_of_Amenemope

  328. @the grand wazoo

    The reason why Catholic Church has been hated so long by the Jews was because it was understood as the political organization of the people of Unicorn. Why the criticism always goes like “religion yes, Church no” ?
    It is unicorn horns and crowns bestowed by the pope that adorn the beast of Apocalypse.
    It was a racial war all along.

    The problem for you as a Catholic (or Protestant in a state church) is that we don’t know whether Catholic Church was intended by any means by Jesus, who, after all, limited himself to preaching in Israel and Judea. The Catholic Church affinity for all things Egyptian (which were also things Babylonian) somehow justifies calling it a “Babylonian whore”, which also says who is the first enemy of Jews. Now ask why?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady_and_the_Unicorn
    Those tapestries are not about senses. They are about the Unicorn as a lover (“À Mon Seul Désir”).

  329. @Majority of One

    It is a historical fact that the prime progenitor of America’s first federated government, under the Articles of Confederation, were the principles underlying the brotherhood unification of the previously internecine warring Iroquoian tribes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/04/opinion/the-founding-sachems.html

    The Iroquois confederation was governed by a constitution, the Great Law of Peace, which established the league’s Great Council: 50 male royaneh (religious-political leaders), each representing one of the female-led clans of the alliance’s nations. What was striking to the contemporary eye was that the 117 codicils of the Great Law were concerned as much with constraining the Great Council as with granting it authority. “Their whole civil policy was averse to the concentration of power in the hands of any single individual,” explained Lewis Henry Morgan, a pioneering ethnographer of the Iroquois.

    The founding of this confederation occurred within the same century, sometime after 172o. I certainly cannot deny its influence of it upon America’s founders, though there are a few points of distinction that should be noted …

    In the Iroquois Confederation, leaders were not elected by popular consent. Member nations were all matrilineal societies, inheriting status and property through the mother’s bloodline. Additionally, representation therein was not premised upon any principle of equity. Rather, it was based upon a traditional hierarchy of nations.

    In these significant respects, American government is more akin to Islamic administration. Both election by consent of the governed and consultation irrespective of tribal affiliation or lineage are mandated. Primogeniture was clearly not the mandate of Islam, though shi’ah Muslims contend otherwise.

    But, with the martyrdom of ‘Ali and his family, Arab Muslims soon regressed into dynastic tyranny and failed to preserve what they had been given just as Americans did not succeed in maintaining their republic — precisely as Franklin had warned them to.

    Being a freemason, Benjamin Franklin — whom you identify as mentor to Jefferson — would have been familiar with Islam, as fraternal lodges were the primary means in western society of preserving, transmitting, and applying knowledge that would have been made otherwise impossible given contemporary prejudice and convention. Some of Europe’s oldest lodges were established by veterans of the crusader campaigns, more than a few of whom remained in the Holy Land for years before returning home.

    In any event, Islam’s introduction of federalism to the world predated the Sachems’ by at least one millennium. Of course, we’re not claiming that the Iroquois knew about Islam in the Arabian Peninsula, though when drawing comparisons, it’s evident that American and Islamic government share more similarities.

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  330. @Schuetze

    The current incarnation of Phoenicians, known for their red hairs, seems to be the Irish.
    That would also explain the ancient hatred of French Normans ruling over England towards the Irish, it simply was the hatred of Nordic Romans towards Phoenicians. It is at least clear that such a hatred did not exist before the Norman rule over British Islands.

    The ancient land of Tarshish (Semitic name), partly colonized by Phoenicians, is Cornwall, and Ireland is pretty close, so close that it was a natural place to escape when Romans took over Cornwall.
    Since Phoenicians are “people of Phoenix” it is only natural that Eire got a legend of being an island which preserved/restored Western Christianity (allegedly).

  331. MrVoid says:

    I quit Christianity about 25 years ago. I flirted with Paganism and then I became a generic Buddhist. Like I’ve been saying, I do not know what the originators of Christianity truly wanted. In truth, many of the originators probably had different motivations (some wholesome, some not), and Christianity became a focus of those different motivations. Some of Christianity is like Buddhism. For instance when Jesus said “as you sow, ye shall reap” is very Buddhist. Likewise his affirmation of life’s perpetuation even after death is Buddhist, although Buddhist’s do not believe that that existence in any realm (heaven, hell or on earth) is eternal and we do not believe in God.

    I don’t like beating up on Christianity. In some ways it makes me feel awful like I’m beating up something innocent, but I cannot deny that I also have parallell feelings of some kind of deep betrayal when I think of Christianity. I still consider myself to be a Christian to an extent, because I think there’s enough common ground between it and Buddhism for me to say that, and I still take communion when in church, just a token of good will.

    The following is what I think Christianity did wrong.
    1) It didn’t cleanly separate itself from Judaism. One day God is an evil genocidalist. The next day he is the God of love. This can never be reconciled. Apparently God so loves the world that he will curse all those who object to his chosen one’s actions, no matter what those actions are. In the same vein, Jews have successfully exploited Christianity’s Jewishness historically. Cromwell let them return to England based on some Biblical belief and in America we are cursed with the Scofield bible.
    2) It practiced race denialism. The “no Jew and no Greek” part of the bible is unmistakably race denialism. I believe that religion should just be focused on the truth and everything else should be subserviant, even morality. I don’t believe that any religion should celebrate racial differences, but neither should a religion deny them. Anything real should be acknowledged for what it is. The no Jew and no Greek stuff goes along with the “not of this world” idea. I would argue that we are very much a part of this world. We don’t have souls. Karma is the cause of our perpetuation after death and it is not due to the existence of a soul. Denying that we belong in this world where our desires led us to, will only lead to suffering.
    3) Free will. Some Buddhists believe in free will, but it has never been a central part of Buddhist thinking. The idea of free will contradicts what we observe when we observe that some people are born with inherent tendencies, some of which can be sociopathic. If you believe that they have free will even so, then ask yourself why a loving God would give people harder challenges than others? Wouldn’t he at least distribute life’s challenges equally? The free will idea becomes even more problematic when we observe entire population groups behaving sociopathically relative to the White norm. The fundamentalist Christian (and the normie conserative) will put it down to free will, and they will say that Blacks just have to use their free will and everything will be OK. The leftist Christian will say that it’s because of White racism, and we Whites must use our free will to become less racist. Free will was a sort of mysterious force invoked to explain differences in human behaviour and I note that “racism” is another mysterious force now added on top of free will. It’s a tower of artificial philosophical contrivances invented by Jews, and that’s an area in which Jews really score. I’m expecting a book about the holocaust to be added to the New Testament any day now.

  332. MrVoid says:

    I’m going to add one further thing to my previous comment.

    Modern day churches seem to be making obedience to status quo politics a sort of holy virtue. I know for a fact that many churches are now enthusiastically engaging in Covid LARP-ing, even closing their doors when requested. I’m inclined to point out to them, that, anyone can do this. We’eve already got all kinds of secular institutions for that. The churches may be digging their graves with their eagerness to be one of the cool kids (which they will never be in any case).

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  333. I found that this text is excellent and explores pretty unknown beginnings of Christianity even some historical things can be questioned. Readers here often cite some historical events not knowing that the 1st millennia period in Europe was heavily falsified mostly by Catholic Church. I found many history falsifications and I may list them in a near dictionary list. How everything is relative we can see in the questioning if St Paul or even Jesus himself existed at all. What we then can say about other things?

    My opinion is that the cornerstone of all falsifications was a false migration of Slavic (i.e. Serbs, because the term Slavic still did not exist) to Balkan. In this context, this disguise the fact that the first centuries of Christianity in the Roman Empire was shifted from Rome to today’s Serbia where was the Roman capital Sirmium. All key emperors, who mostly came from military, were of Serbian origins – Diocletian, Constantine, Licinius, Julian, Jovian, later Justin and Justinian. They persecuted Christians, legalised Christianity, suppressed and returned to the paganism, again revived Christianity making it the official religion and later built the biggest church in Constantinople.

    Just a brief notice re the Phrygian photo and Mithraism. Phrygians are a Greek reading of Brigi(ans) who were Serbian speaking tribes and came from today’s Montenegro to Asia Minor. Plato wrote that Old Greek language took many words from them. Their recognisable hats can be seen in many ancient pictures and also is reflected in the Venetian Doge’s ceremonial hat.

    It is also pretty unknown the fact that the first Christian diocese was established in today’s Serbia (Sirmium) and that St Peter and Paul first visited Serbia before going to Rome where finished as Nero’s victims. The word ‘apostle’ is also Serbian so as the origin of the name Maria (Latin version), Miriam (Jewish version). That Moses got 10 commandments on the Serbian peak (still the same name in Arabic) in Sinai where other peaks also have Serbian name – Nebo (Sky), Banat, etc, what can be seen on the map or travel leaflets from the area. These are just a few indications as visible parts of the icebergs about the things which are suppressed, or which general public doesn’t know.

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  334. Seraphim says:
    @Dacian

    ‘Homo est asinus, ergo baculus stat in angulo’.

    “This implication is true since its first member is false; but from false the truth can be deduced; therefore baculus stat in angulo, a materially true proposition (if it is true in fact) is a conclusion drawn from false propositions. But it is drawn by accident”.
    “It is possible that none of the parts of syllogism be true and nevertheless the conclusion is true, only it is not (true) necessarily. The reason of this fact is that two things being in such a relation that the existence of one of them entails necessarily the existence of the other, the non-existence of the last will entail the non-existence of the first, while the existence of the last will not entail necessarily the existence of the first. But it is impossible that the existence and the non-existence of the same thing entail necessarily the existence of one and the same thing”.
    ‘Ex falsis verum ex veris nil nisi verum’.
    (Anton Dumitriu: NECESSARY AND CONTINGENT DEDUCTION).

    Mr. Guyenot starts from the false premise that ‘Christianity is a human creation’ (Jewish) to demonstrate through a series of false arguments that… Christianity is a human creation (Jewish).

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  335. @Schuetze

    The Irish and the Jews have one thing in common at least: the positive ideology of diaspora, even the expression ‘Irish diaspora’ is quite common. On the surface, emigration is ‘sad necessity’ but if you look more deeply, you realize this is a part of their itinerant way of life too.
    It is valid for ideologies too: it is from an Irish communist that years ago I had heard that it was ‘quite normal’ to be first a communist and then an IRA member or vice versa. That you could so freely move between socialism and nationalism was a discovery for me at that time… but well, what about being both a Zionist and a socialist… looks like the same pattern.
    I only wondered where the Irish nationalists go who don’t like socialism…if not to IRA.
    All in all, as far as I know, the Irish and the Jews have a quite good history of being together as well: no expulsions, no ghetto laws, no pogroms.

  336. @White Men Can’t Jump

    Talking B.S. Only living creatures have gender in all Slavic languages. Stop inventing things.
    Objects do not have a gender.

  337. Seraphim says:
    @Garliv

    He did not read the Bible at all, let alone understand the ‘theological underpinnings’.

  338. Let’s not waste time with all this nonsense. Christianity conquered Rome because it offered the people an easy road to travel. You can be forgiven for all your sins, etc, and be on your way to heaven without much ado. On the other hand, the polytheistic religions of the Greeks and Roman made very large demands of their adherents.

  339. Seraphim says:
    @anonymous

    She is a brainless feminist. ‘Femen’?

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  340. @Zarathustra

    Objects have genders too. So at least in Polish.
    Noun genders determine the adjective declination.
    “prawda” (truth) is feminine in Polish too.

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  341. Seraphim says:
    @Olivier1973

    Je vous remercie! Vous nous donnez l’espoir que les Français n’ont pas complètement perdu la tête. En ce qui concerne M. Guyenot, il est une cause perdue depuis longtemps. Il n’est pas récupérable.

  342. @Zarathustra

    [Too much off-topic Serbian nonsense. Stop it or most of your future comments will be trashed.]

  343. Truth is a woman because truth is gracious and beautiful.

    comment 271:

    Truth is God, and Truth is a Woman.

    Please first define truth.

    Truth is usually taken as either reality (what is) or a particular relation between reality and a knower, such as a relation of correspondence. If correspondence (harmony, whatever) then you have a true relationship (the earth is round); if not then your knowing is false (the earth is flat). (Please don’t bicker about the “correspondence” relation. Either you have a criterion by which “knowing” can be true/false or not. If no criterion exists, then one cannot distinguish between true and false.)

    So, do you mean truth as reality, or truth as having a required particular relation between object (reality) and subject (knower)?

    If you mean truth as reality, then much in reality is not “gracious and beautiful” (and good), unless you equate all of reality with being “true and beautiful” (and “good”), relegating their antonyms of “false and ugly” (and “bad”) to meaninglessness. Likewise, much of reality, and thus truth, stinks. It is senseless to argue about whether the better or worse part is greater, since it depends on our subjective criteria.

    If you mean truth as knowing that satisfies the required criterion (of e.g. correspondence) then calling such knowing or its criterion God, blurs the clear distinction between theists and atheists, because atheists likewise believe in such definition of “truth”.

    So, what is extra in your “truth” that makes it “God” and “gracious and beautiful”, that is absent in the atheists’ “truth”?

    Sorry to question you.

    Comment 313:

    Man, basically, believes that this visible world is not the only reality, and that there is another world, in fact more real. This is the world of spirits, and this is where the dead go. This is “natural religion”. In my view, men believe this because it is a fundamental truth, and this is the truth that elevates man, from individual level up to all collective levels. This is an eternal truth.

    I then, am not a man, for I do not believe, even basically, in a world of spirits where the dead go, just as I do not believe in Santa and Valhalla – just like you? I do believe in the existence of a mentality that can think and imagine and create fictions that have no material counterparts. For that I need a material brain just as a computer (matter) is required to run a software program (mentality, roughly). As for our brains’ mental objects – if Santa is real in a Platonic or spiritual realm of ideal objects because someone once thought him – well, then I stand corrected and would like to meet him there – once I pass on, and have him take me for a really real ride in his really real sleigh.

  344. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Bit late, but very Feliz Navidad and a happy and healthy Año Nuevo! Best wishes.

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  345. @Laurent Guyénot

    What about the idea like that: Christianity was initially a Jewish sect, later taken over by (some) Romans and raised to a state religion by Constantin the Great, and yet later Jewish reconquista has taken place?
    The fact that there is not one truly active Gentile apostle (Luke seems to have written just his own Gospel) suggests that the initial design was rather clannish. The title ‘Gentiles Apostles’ for Paul/Saul seems to have been a forced re-interpretation contra Judeorum, as it was a replacement of very Jewish ‘Saul’ with Paul. I mean ‘Paul is the Apostle of Gentiles’ is an answer for what ? For claims like ‘Christianity is Jewish because it is by Jews for Jews’.
    On the other hand, I agree that there may be some Flavian connection, especially in connection with Titus who was allegedly a perfect ruler in making. Sadly, like many promised, he died early (someone wanted it?).
    What I suspect is that maybe Titus wanted to make Yahweh his personal god-protector, in the way Venus was a protector of Julii-Claudian dynasty. That surely wouldn’t be very well seen in Rome, especially since the times of ‘religious and moral corruption’ of Marc Anthony and Ceasar by Cleopathra were still remembered.

    I have a problem with believing that any grand designs of Jewish priesthood on the imperial scale could have a chance simply because Rome had much more money, both gold and silver, than they could ever offer to Romans. If the Temple was a place of really immense riches, they could have simply bought a Persian/Parthian army to protect them from Romans, couldn’t they? That would be much more logical in the context of the time, when Parthians were still a threat: it MUST be mentioned that the very reason why Vespasian was in the East with his legions was because Nero was preparing a war with Parthia and thus he had shifted Vespasian from Britain to Syria. There is even a view that Nero deliberately provoked the Jews into uprising in order to pacify the pro-Persian Jewish sympathizers just before the planned great war with Partha. The Romans tried to prepare their wars well: they knew what a potentially hostile population at their backs may mean for a war.
    Also, the idea of placing emperor’s imago in the Temple seems to have been just one of the tools of Roman divide et impera policy: it was mainly used as a stres tool against Jewish monarchs there (yes! besides priests, Jews had kings too, and priesthood and kingship were SEPARATED!), for example by Caligula against Herod Agrippa, the king of Judea.
    Placing the emperor’s imago in the Temple would delegitimize and dethrone any Jewish ruler, so it was a tool of imperial blackmail. And Herod Agrippa got so scared that it personally came to Rome to visit Caligula: it wasn’t Caligula who went to Judea to visit Herod. It follows the visit was in interest of Herod, not of Caligula.
    Therefore, it is important to remember that besides Jews, other peoples and designs existed at that time. And maybe this broad historical context explains the history enough, without need for grand designs of dethroned (!) Jewish priesthood [dethroned= without power].

  346. @Another Polish Perspective

    That the threat of Jewish backstabbing during war with Persia was very real was proved years later during Traian campaign against Parthia. It was only then when Jews were forbidden to live in Jerusalem, which was renamed to Aelia Capitolina.

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  347. @AnonStarter

    Hmm… “under its auspices”. The key issue. Separation of Church and State absolutely not allowed. Try it and your head comes off. The ugly face of Islam.

    But agreed, under its auspices Judaism and Christianity have freedom of worship where there is no freedom of religion.

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  348. @Art

    Yes !! I was raised and educated a Catholic, and had no problem understanding the moral content, and Jesus’s « character » and values. They always rung true to me. But going to church, with all the rituals, often just seemed so « off », didn’t feel like Jesus’s character anymore. So I never « practiced », and Jesus remained a role model more than anything else.

    Years later, repeatedly, I tried getting myself to « believe », to give it an honest shot, and it always felt like cow bells to me. Especially when I learned that apparently good deeds and bad deeds don’t really matter squat, what’s important is « accepting Jesus as my Saviour ». That just seemed odd to me. Probably I was not sufficiently indoctrinated, so I had an idealized (personal) understanding of Jesus’s philosophy.

    Years later, I recognize that my personal, non-dogma-approved version of Jesus has made me mostly a decent person. But I believe that ANY decent role model(s) would have done as good a job, and probably made me feel less conflicted, because of all the hoaky stuff.

    Now, I don’t know whether Jesus existed or not, but I am curious about all this.

  349. Rich says:
    @Anonymous

    Okay, find some oddball sect with a handful of adherents and make that the whole. You’re joking, right? Your children’s futures, and mine, can be saved if enough Caucasians return to the conservative Christian faith that helped build us up, and sustain us for over a thousand years. We have a historical record that shows how far we got, the mistakes we made, and how to tweak those mistakes and rebuild what was only recently lost. Honesty, moderation, chastity and a belief in a God that loves and preserves you and your people is not a bad thing. And we have solid proof it works. Why not go with what worked?

  350. @Moi

    Of course there’s a difference. The Exceptionals are expendable.

  351. @Another Polish Perspective

    Truth in Polish is not prawda. It is pravda. You impostor! Yes you say ta pravda. (fem) but is practically never used.

  352. In the world of ideas, reconquista is often a case of re-branding: and so Paul/Saul of “Gentile Apostolate” has recently become Saul/Paul of “Apostolate of Open Christianity”. So at least echos which come to me.

  353. @AnonStarter

    Thanks for doing the research. Most of that which I post is drawn from my slowly sagging memory glands.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  354. Abrahamism is a group of anti-religions designed to subvert Western societies.

    Hebraism started as an anti-religion designed to subvert Egyptian state religion and political hierarchy: https://www.amazon.com/Moses-Egyptian-Memory-Western-Monotheism/dp/0674587391

    Messianic Judaism was formed later as an anti-Roman, semitic revenge cult after the Romans destroyed Carthage and while the Greeks occupied much of the East.

    When the Romans appointed Hellenized Jews to administer Palestine, this caused multiple revolts which eventually required the amalgamation of Messianism into the Imperial Cult. Antony sought to blend Hellenistic, Greco-Roman and Imperial cult practices. His “marriage” to Cleopatra accomplished this.

    Chrestianity was fostered by Antony’s household after his death and attempted to subdue Messianic Judaism to Hellenistic syncretic cults. Antony’s daughter fostered multiple Herodians in the imperial household under Augustus.

    https://www.quora.com/q/conjuringjesus

    This is why the first non-Latin Emperor (Severus, a Carthaginian) a few centuries later married the daughter of a Semitic Priest descended from Antony and Cleopatra. Chrestianity fostered public support for this claim and for Zenobia’s claim in the 3rd Century. Severus’ son would give universal citizenship to the Empire. The first attempt to yoke Rome to a semitic cult outright was Elagabulus, from the same household.

    Lastly, the earliest accounts of Islam describe it as an anti-Roman revenge cult fostered by Jews in Arabia to punish Rome for destroying the Pharaisaical Temple: https://archive.org/details/Hagarism

    While Hagarism transformed to Islam, Chrestianity transformed into Christianity long after its original purpose had been fulfilled, by amalgamating multiple Hellenistic and Semitic syncretic cults such as Mithraism, Manichaeism and others. These cults were carried across the Empire by slaves and the soldiery. The practice of amalgamating Semitic and Hellenistic cults was common in the Greek East since the time of Alexander.

    Islam succeeded in destroying the Eastern Empire while Christianity weakened the West and destroyed virtually every Latin, Greek, German and Celtic religious and political institution.

    Only 1% of classical text survived this cataclysm. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073XBS8S5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    Abrahamism has always, by design, sought to undermine European imperial and political orientation and Indo-European religion, which was patriarchal, heroic, and hierarchical, by fostering multi-culturalism, cults of the oppressed, and appealing to womanly emotions, such as pity, materialism, mercy and agreeableness.

    When the Greeks and Romans tried to accomodate these slavish, anti-religious, materialist cults into the classical Pantheon, they unknowingly admitted a poison into the Western tradition.

  355. @HA

    In short, sort out your own household before you presume to dictate to mine.

    I’m not sure how it is you imagine I’m “dictating” to you or anyone else.

    In response to my citation of the Oxford article and personal experience with Muslim America, you implied that it was Jefferson’s meeting with AbdulRahman prior to ratification of the Constitution that informed his views on Islam and not his personal study of the religion. I then demonstrated with precise facts and dates how your suggestion was obviously baseless.

    Now you’re raging like fire, not only accusing me of something I haven’t done, but engaging in guilt-by-association smear tactics in order to save face, your anger boiling over into every word you type.

    You appear to be beyond help, so I’ll write the remainder for the audience who, unlike you, isn’t pretending to possess expertise on Islam:

    9: 29 of The Qur’an is the verse commonly cited as an imperative for offensive war. Yet upon closer examination, it mandates no such thing:

    https://abuaminaelias.com/verse-929-and-the-battle-of-tabuk/

    The verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

    Reading the entire exegesis, which cites classical scholarship, we conclude that, far from abrogating 2: 190 (“Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Surely, God does not love aggressors.”), there is no conflict between it and 9: 29.

    Now, in my opinion, Tripoli erred greatly in its diplomacy with America. Unlike Spain and other European polities, America had no protracted history of aggression against the Maghreb by which Muslims such as AbdulRahman could justifiably cite 9: 29 as an active imperative. America had no Knights of St. John of Malta, nor French, nor British privateers (a.k.a. pirates) who attacked Muslim vessels and enslaved their crew.

    One might speculate as to what might have been had AbdulRahman proved wiser, forging an alliance with the newfound American republic that could have changed the entire course of history …

    Fun fact: The line from the Marine Corps Hymn that reads “to the shores of Tripoli” commemorates the Battle of Derna on April 27, 1805, made possible after consul William Eaton convinced an exiled brother of Pasha Yusuf Karamanli to join forces with America in an attempted coup. A grand total of eight marines, a smattering of Europeans, and a largely Arab army — totaling about 500 — took Derna that day; however, they weren’t able to reach Tripoli.

    In other words, the first American coalition to fight in the Muslim world consisted largely of Arab Muslims.

    • Replies: @HA
  356. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Hmm… “under its auspices”. The key issue. Separation of Church and State absolutely not allowed. Try it and your head comes off. The ugly face of Islam.

    There’s clear misapprehension in what you write.

    What you call “separation of church and state” is commonly referred to as the establishment clause in American law: “Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion, …” In other words, no law can favor one establishment of religion to the exclusion of another. The free exercise clause completes the first sentence: “… nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

    In principle, the same concepts are binding in shari’ah law. Under the auspices of Muslim rule, administrators are not permitted to give preferential treatment to one religious community over another; nor are they permitted to compel religious exercise.

    Indeed, in practice, these principles were not always applied in dar al-Islam, though they’re certainly codified in The Qur’an, and their implementation did, in fact, inspire institutional reform throughout Europe.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  357. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    I am trying to answer but it seems we are not all equal on this site. Serbian language, Sanskrit and some other languages have three grammatical genders – masculine, feminine and neuter. Every noun, regardless if alive or not, has one of these genders. For example, masculine grammatical gender are – man, desk, stove, bull, computer, vacuum-cleaner, horse, car, bicycle, bed, plate, dick, knife, etc. Feminine genders are – woman, pen, cow, building, truth, happiness, glass, lamp, picture, stamp, fork, etc. The neuter gender are – child, sky, childhood, letter, shit, egg, etc.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
  358. @Julian the Apostate

    Lastly, the earliest accounts of Islam describe it as an anti-Roman revenge cult fostered by Jews in Arabia to punish Rome for destroying the Pharaisaical Temple

    The thesis of Crone and Cook’s Hagarism has been largely discredited:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagarism#Scholarly_reviews

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  359. It’s ludicrous to argue that Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus was from a celestial Christ that had nothing to do with the historical Jesus. Why?

    Paul was of the Pharisee school and persecuted Jesus’s direct disciples, including being present at the stoning of St. Stephen (the first Christian Martyr) in Jerusalem. He was well acquainted with the historical Jesus group, if not Jesus himself.

    And Paul , to be cured by the blindness caused by the theophany, must wait until Jesus’s disciple Ananias to cures it!

    And then Paul went about linking up with Jesus’s disciples—including St. Peter himself, Jesus’s right-hand man, whom Paul chastises for not adhering to Jesus’s law.

    And Paul repeatedly mentions Jesus by name and cites his doctrines in the numerous letters that Paul wrote.

    The idea that Paul was off worshiping some other God that was later melded with Jesus is belied by the entire historical account of Paul.

    Poppycock.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  360. Seraphim says:
    @AnonStarter

    It wasn’t. You are deceiving yourself, but not us.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  361. Seraphim says:
    @Julian the Apostate

    Remember what happened to Julian the Apostate (who wanted to restore the Temple of Jerusalem BTW).

  362. Sam J. says:

    It seems to me self evident that this whole essay is misguided, misplaced and doesn’t even remotely get to the meat of the problem.

    It’s not the Christians that are the problem or the Mystery Cult of Mithras or the Romans or the US Constitution or anyone else. It’s the Jews. The problem we have is the Jews.

    We keep going on about how the Jews have done this or that but the answer is relatively easy. The Jews as a group appear to be or are at least undeniably the same in function as a tribe of psychopaths. I’m not saying all Jews psychopaths but it’s undeniable that the effect of a mass of Jews moving into your territory can in no way be distinguished from a tribe of psychopaths moving into your territory. This is fairly impossible to deny with all the cascade of abuses by the Jews and the echos of “every single time”. It is self evident.

    That being the case we need to get beyond describing the Jews or categorizing their abuses and get to the what to do. We’ve tried every thing. Conversion, special laws, all sorts of incantations for thousands of years but the only one that has worked 100% of the time is to get rid of them. Deport them and allow them no say so in your finances, lives or society by any means. This not surprisingly is what psychologist say you should do about psychopaths in your lives. Get rid of them. We should get rid Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means necessary they must go. We should focus all our efforts on getting rid of the Jews and never let them come back.

    If you will keep it in mind that the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths then you will never be surprised at their behavior and many times be able to predict it.

  363. Protogonus says: • Website
    @John Q Duped

    J. Fichte (d. 1814) found the final solution to this false assertion of “God being Jewish” by showing (1) Jesus (a name actually suggested in a divine dream or vision), is the name of the eternal Heart of God and nothing else, and (2) that Jesus of Nazareth was no more (and no less) God than any other human being, since WE ARE ALL sons of God; (3) that the preaching of Jesus of Nazareth (when seen through the best lens of the Apostle John) said likewise.

    The deepest view (that of Jacob Boehme and probably also that of the poet Goethe) is that WE ARE GOD in human disguise, acting out our parts of moral self-clarification now so that the City of God will know forever what good and evil really are. The satanic and condemned remainder is constituted of all sorts, tribes, and nations. The blameworthy is constituted of self-assertion, writ small and large, ultimately being the Lie of Lies, same as King Lucifer thought and thinks.

  364. Dube says:

    Unfortunately Laurent lacks a grip on basic doctrine, and is giddy with excitements over historical epiphenomena. So a serious debate is not possible regarding fundamentals.

    The obsession with Christian origins in Judaism would be relieved entirely if he understood the significance of Abraham paying a tithe to Melchizedek — king of Salem, king and priest forever.

    Who is Melchizedek? Answer that correctly and there’s no need to update Santa Claus and tiny reindeer to save the West. Nor the East.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  365. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @MrVoid

    Modern day churches seem to be making obedience to status quo politics a sort of holy virtue.

    Yep. Contemporary government says “Bankrupt (sacrifice) your parishioners because we say so”, the churches comply before the government can get to “because”. The entire Christian religion in the West has deteriorated into a cult of human sacrifice, despite the OT’s severe criticism of the practice (God Himself said it was forbidden).

    Perhaps that is why Christianity’s membership is down.

  366. Garliv says:
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Interesting perspective. Never encountered Serbian angle. Any link? Other Sources?

  367. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Zarathustra

    Objects do not have a gender.

    That was true 60 years ago. Back then, “gender” had to do with word endings. Very roughly: Some languages had different word endings for male and female organisms, and used these endings for inanimate objects, such as tables. The general practice was subsumed under the word “gender”. At that time (1960), your statement was correct. Objects did not have a gender, words did. One could refer to men and women using the word “gender”, but it was a euphemism and arguably a misuse of a technical word.

    Then the Left got involved in “sexual politics” and decided that “sex” would mean what had previously been called “mating” and “gender” would take over the male/female meaning previously assigned to “sex”. The Left’s objective was the usual for the Left: confuse thought and legitimize the introduction of new political groups. The general theme was and is “gender” is brand new, and therefore can claim absolute political power.

    So, whether you are right depends on the meaning of words, always a very hazy subject because it is self-referential, describing the meaning of words using words means one can ask about the meaning of the words in the description and then things get confusing.

    As for me, I’d prefer the 1960 way. More precise, one knew what one was talking about. Threatening mobs should be treated as threatening mobs, even when they are trying to change the dictionary.

    • Thanks: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Dumb4asterisks
  368. @FedUp

    Dear Fedup

    I am sorry to hear you were traumatised by the false doctrines presented to you as a child, but which were false doctrines and not taught in the Bible.

    The error of eternal torments of damned, supposedly immortal souls is not taught in the Bible, because the error of the immortality of the soul is not taught in the Bible. The Bible teaches conditional immortality to the faithful only, and not immediately at death, but at the return of Jesus Christ to the earth, and via resurrection of the body, which will then be glorified into an immortal, spiritual body.

    Those faithful saints will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years on this earth, after Jesus establishes the kingdom of God promised for him by the Angel Gabriel to his mother Mary: ” he will inherit the throne of his father David, and rule over the house of Jacob forever”. Luke 2:32. Jesus was correctly crucified as the King of the Jews, and this prophecy will become a reality then.

    We are all currently mortal souls, not immortal souls. The verses which seem to imply eternal torments have been misinterpreted, and used by unscrupulous professional religious persons to terrify their flocks into submission, in which state they are more easily controlled and fleeced.

    There is no heaven-going of immortal souls at death, and hell is merely the grave, and all men including Jesus Christ go there at death. The Apostles Creed says that Jesus Christ “descended into hell, the third day he rose again from the dead”. Acts 2:32 says his soul ” was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption”. The soul consists of organised dust plus the breath of life Gen 2:7, and at death the organised dust corrupts after the respiration breath of life and consciousness ceases.

    Souls can die : “the soul that sinneth, it shall die” . Ezekiel 18.
    “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to the earth, in that very day his thoughts perish” Psalm 146:6.
    “Man that is in honour and understands not is like the beasts that perish”. Psalm 49, last few verses.
    “To those who seek for glory honour and immortality, eternal, but to those who are perverse, indignation and wrath”. Romans 2. The wrath is that they will cease to exist forever in total unconsciousness, which is not cruel.

    The God of heaven is loving, merciful and gracious, but He will not reward those who treat Him and his laws with contempt.

    The apostle Paul in Romans 11 tells us that the unfaithful Jews, those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and messiah,are currently cut out of the olive tree of faith, but that in future they will be grafted back in again at Jesus’s second coming, after they have been humbled by a catastrophic invasion which will happen to Israel (Zechariah 12-14; Ezekiel 37-39). After that they will “look upon me whom they have pierced, and mourn as one mourns for an only son”.

    These teachings are far more hope-filled than the offerings of L Guyenot, who can only offer pessimism about the Jews.

    Christians who are baptised into Christ become spiritual Israelites and heirs of the promises made to Abraham. Galatians 3:26-29. The Old Testament prophets taught that Jesus, though born an Israelite, would be a “light to the Gentiles”.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  369. Garliv says:
    @Sam J.

    Maybe also start by exposing what actually Judaism is all about. Maybe have Talmud in schools to expose what these people believe in. Thanks to this webzine I got curious and recently started online reading of Talmud plus Jewish encyclopedia of 1906. Going through it makes it clear that people who believe in such writings can only end up as psychopathic and sense of self worship and total disdain for others. Truly truly Christians need to understand what they been dealing with for overwhelming majority have this assumption Judaism and Christianity are similar. It’s a dangerous assumption for it make it easier for Jews to camouflage any way they like.

    The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia states that “The Talmud is the real “bible” of the Jews and that it supersedes the Old Testament. Some quotes…

    The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.”
    – RABBI Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book

    “Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.”
    – Tractate Mechilla/Me’ilah

    “The Jew…is not content merely to destroy Christianity, but he preaches the gospel of Judaism; he not only assails the Catholic or the Protestant faith, but he incites to the unbelief, and then imposes on those whose faith he has undermined his own conception of the world, of morality and of life. He is engaged in his historic mission, the annihilation of the religion of Christ.” – Benard Lazare

    “Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100-million of them, and the end is not yet.” – Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859, RABBI Reichorn

    “A Judeo-Christian heritage or tradition in the proper sense of that hyphenated word does not exist; it has no foundation in historical fact.” There is Edom [Esau is called Edom in Genesis 36:8] And Edom is Modern Jewry.” – Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  370. @Julian the Apostate

    Thank you.

    When the Greeks and Romans tried to accommodate these slavish, anti-religious, materialist cults into the classical Pantheon, they unknowingly admitted a poison into the Western tradition.

    Why do you regard the Abrahamic religions as anti-religious and materialistic, in contrast with the classical Pantheon, by which I assume you mean the Greek, Roman (and Indo-European?) polytheism? Is it because you think Abrahamic religions’ design was more politically motivated than in other religions, considering Seneca’s view that religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful?

  371. @Anonymous

    Thanks.

    So, whether you are right depends on the meaning of words, always a very hazy subject because it is self-referential, describing the meaning of words using words means one can ask about the meaning of the words in the description and then things get confusing.

    “But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument,’” Alice objected.
    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpt said in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master — that’s all.” My emphasis.
    Alice’s adventures in wonderland by Lewis Carroll

    In any case, that the word “truth” has a feminine gender in some languages proves that “truth is a woman”, seems really grasping at straws to determine the epistemological meaning of the word truth. In German, die Wahrheid is also feminine because of the grammatical rule that words ending in “heid” are feminine, and has nothing to do with whether the word or its meaning has a vagina.

  372. Sam J. says:
    @Garliv

    “…I got curious and recently started online reading of Talmud plus Jewish encyclopedia of 1906. Going through it makes it clear that people who believe in such writings can only end up as psychopathic…”

    You’ve got it backwards. They didn’t end up psychopathic. They were already psychopaths and that’s why they wrote what they did. It was just a manifestation of who they already were.

  373. @Sam J.

    The problem is that at beginning when Jews settle they do help the nation, but then when they gain power they simultaneously start the harm the nation with their feminism and liberalism, and in US as with forcing US into wars.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  374. Sam J. says:
    @Zarathustra

    “…The problem is that at beginning when Jews settle they do help the nation…”

    False. The Jews move to nations they feel are moving up so that they can better exploit them. If in the beginning they are less harmful and pozzed it’s only because they are not in control of enough of the society to do much damage so they lay low.

  375. @Laurent Guyénot

    The Second Jewish War, the war with the Jewish disapora, has certain parallels with the Second Punic War, especially taking into account how ferocious both wars were. Afterwards, the Romans stopped just short of treating Jerusalem like Carthagine, which was condemned to the really total destruction.
    If some Christian hand was directing this act of mercy, I wouldn’t be entirely surprised. The political advantage of being Christian over being Jewish at that time in itself could be the explanation of Jewish interest in Christianity, as it is the answer for the question who at that time could save Jerusalem, Jews or Christians. All in all, it is a strong argument for Jewish interest in this ‘political’ taking over/influencing Christianity.
    And Christianity really started spreading in the second century A.D., exactly at the time when Jewry finally lost the wars with Romans. The Gnosticism, which could have been a reaction to the early judeochristianity concept (the idea that to be a Christian you must first be a Jew), at least partly, started at that time as well.

    I base this idea on the knowledge of what was the main strength of early Christianity, which guaranteed its fast spread over the empire: it was networking.

  376. @Another Polish Perspective

    In other words, Jews may have saved Jerusalem for the price of ‘sharing’ it with two large religions: Christianity and Islam.
    Now at least Jerusalem is ‘safe’, guarded by three religions, so no one will think about its destruction.

    The Jewish obsession with Jerusalem is really strange and deserves a separate article, plus how this obsession could take over Christianity, where Jerusalem was initially just a seat of patriarch (together with Antiochia, Constantinople, Rome etc), not a holy place.

    • Agree: Laurent Guyénot
  377. @Dube

    So, who is Melchizedek?

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  378. @Eugene Norman

    John is writing after the final schism when Christians break away from Jews. This again goes against the idea that Jews created Christianity deliberately. They wouldn’t have written John.

    Thank you, Eugene Norman, this necessary insight unrefutably persuasive of the inaccuracy of the theory that The Jesus Story is a contrivance by Jews to dupe whitey.

    The Jesus Story is true which is why the Jews had mortal hatred for Him and have genocidal designs on the descendants of Christendom.

    Thus the Jews’ Media vilification of all of Euro ancestry, particularly white males for their unmatched ability for leadership and constructive activity.

    So all this means that White Nationalists who dismiss Christianity as a Jew ploy are Jew duped – they are in fact controlled opposition appearing and maybe even intending to opposed Jew tyranny but in fact under the mind control of Jews.

    Just as all of Protestantism is Jew induced heresy, so is the idea that Christianity specifically The Roman Catholic Church is anything other than the sole effective method to keep the devil and his children the Jews from stealing souls here on Earth for eternal torture in Hell.

    Jesus both named humanity’s eternal threat at John 8:44 then provided the only solution to that threat with His founding of The Roman Catholic Church.

    Providing that diagnosis and its cure establishes Him as omni good and thus Almighty God.

    Every whitey is descended of lineage which was minimally a millennium in The Roman Catholic Church.

    So every whitey who is no longer in The Roman Catholic Church is a dupe of diabolical Jew treachery.

  379. @Another Polish Perspective

    Wait! Just remembered that the wife of Traian (and Hadrian’s partisan as well) was rumoured to be a closeted Christian/a Christian sympathizer.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  380. Hillaire says:

    jewish finance or criminality define it how you will, has always been the gruel on which so called ‘civilization’ feeds, christendom was no different..

    Every court had a visit from the merchant, the torah is full of such tales.. usually ending in disaster for the host, sound familiar ?

  381. Hillaire says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    jehova is simply jove or jupiter, quite possibly the father god/planet, collecting for himself all that chronos throws at us.. but hardly a novel god nor singularly worshipped, most of what the jews have scribbled theologically like everything else they have ….is either stolen or gibberish.

    however as you say, he isn’t the light, merely a jealous god …..one of many.

  382. Art says:

    In the last centuries of the Roman Empire, Rome fell to the Christians because they where the modern educated class, that got everything done. Euro Christians where the smart ones. What followed the fall of Rome, was a period of relative peace where local people where in charge of their cities. The “dark ages” where not dark – they where peaceful.

    To the curse of all mankind, in the following centuries, nation states formed and large-scale war returned to humanity.

    We must return to the city state.

  383. Oemiktlob says:
    @Kapyong

    Irrelevant to my point. Everything you cite is from much later.

    The religious and political authorities in Jesus’s lifetime had every reason to want to silence him and his ministry and his followers due to the disruptions (namely to religious and political power) they were causing. If Jesus did not historically exist, why is their no record, to my knowledge at least, of someone or a group to point this out and silence his followers thus silencing the spread and growth of his teachings and ministry immediately? I mean, who in their right mind would have followed someone that did not exist, even to the point of death? If he did not historically exist, many of the early followers would have said “Uh uh, I’m not dying for a figment of a fertile imagination”, after they saw how others were put down for following and there would be a record of that.

    Put another way, I just don’t see any solid arguments that possess the explanatory scope and power required to explain the history of Christianity absent a real, historical Jesus.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @Kapyong
  384. Oemiktlob says:
    @Kapyong

    “Not to mention various early Christians who denied Jesus came in the flesh, or claimed he was a phantasm.”

    My apologies, I didn’t see this until after I posted initially.

    The problem with this claim is that it too lacks the explanatory scope and power required for what I have pointed out in my prior post.

  385. @Laurent Guyénot

    “Before Abraham was I Am” (John 8:58)

    Arnold Toynbee : “It is not inconceivable that they [the pyramids] may outlast man himself, and that in a world where there are no longer human minds to read their message, they will continue to testify: Before Abraham was, I Am”
    A Study of History”, Arnold Joseph Toynbee, Oxford University Press US, 1987, ISBN 0195050800 (org pub 1947)

  386. @Monotheistic Christian

    “The error of eternal torments of damned, supposedly immortal souls is not taught in the Bible”

    Mainstream Christianity disagrees e.g read the Book of Revelations (Islam is the same). Thomas Aquinas wrote that one of the joys of heaven was watching the suffering of the dammed.

  387. This article is bilge. When I read the author’s reference dating the book of Mark, and stating the book mentions the destruction of the temple, it was obvious the man did not know what he was talking about. Mark was written about AD 40, and the rest of the New Testament was written before AD 65, with Revelation, the only exception, being written in the 90s.

    Mark does not mention destruction of the Temple. The book does report Jesus prophecy that the Temple would be destroyed. The Temple was destroyed in AD 70.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  388. @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    So every whitey who is no longer in The Roman Catholic Church is a dupe of diabolical Jew treachery.

    🤔 ??? 😟

  389. HA says:
    @AnonStarter

    “I’m not sure how it is you imagine I’m “dictating” to you or anyone else.”

    You are dictating your version of what has and has not been abrogated (if not explicitly, then in terms of day to day reality) when it comes to all those pretty lies about “no compulsion” and so forth. You are dictating your interpretation of when the Qu’ran mandates offensive war. Clearly, neither the Barbary pirates and their many antecedents, nor an alarmingly large fraction of Muslims today (witness ISIS and related support for so-called extremist ideology that has actually been a steadfastly mainstream staple of Islam since its beginnings) accept your airy Jeffersonian version of Islam. They are the ones you need to convince and sort out before dictating what I’m supposed to see there.

    But I get it, preaching to a bunch of people who haven’t been educated about what Islam really means on the ground is a lot easier and is less likely to get your head chopped off — even if I myself am long past the point where I can be taken in by that bait-and-switch between what the Qu’ran supposedly says (or did at one point, before it was abrogated), and what actually happens once Sharia takes hold.

    “the first American coalition to fight in the Muslim world consisted largely of Arab Muslims.”

    A guiding principle of Islamic statecraft — almost as dear as raping and pillaging in the name of the Prophet — is “enemy of my enemy”. Any support the Americans received from the Islamic world was far more likely based on that than any supposedly mutual affinity for federated government. In short, this is yet another con job. Whether you’re just cribbing from MuslimBrotherhood propaganda or doing your own thing doesn’t change the fact that this is a tiresome broken record.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  390. @Oemiktlob

    I just don’t see any solid arguments that possess the explanatory scope and power required to explain the history of Christianity absent a real, historical Jesus.

    I would have said just the same not so long ago. Word for word. I’m still not 100% sure that Jesus is 100% fictitious, but after reading the arguments of the mythicists, I radically changed my view. Your objection is quite easy to deal with, if you consider that Christian sources are not as old as said. Even according to standard scholarship, the Gospels were written under the Flavians, at least 40 years after Jesus’s supposed death, probably much later according to others. There was no christianity before, in this scenario. The Church was established when no one was around who could tell that it was all a fiction. The only serious objection I see is Paul. Neither Atwill not Barbiero deal seriously with him. Did he really write in the 50s, and if so, is it possible that his Christ had nothing to do with a human Messiah? I haven’t solved that question, but I tend to think, as one commenter wrote, that there was no Pauline Epistle before Marcion collected them in the mid-second century. After all, everybody agree that Marcion was the first to collect them, and so there is a serious problem with the notion that they existed in the 50s (where?). I would advise you to read Doherty and Price, as a start, to get acquainted with the mythicist arguments.

  391. @Quartermaster

    Your suggested early dates for the Gospels are rejected by virtually all scholars, including Christian ones. If I understand you right, the fact that Mark does not report the destruction of the Temple but “does report Jesus prophecy that the Temple would be destroyed” is proof that when Mark wrote, the Temple was not yet destroyed. Is that right? That’s incredibly naive.

  392. Long live Emperor Julian !

    • Replies: @ViktorTempleton
  393. @Laurent Guyénot

    George Orwell, 1984: “It was therefore necessary to rewrite a paragraph of Big Brother’s speech, in such a way as to make him predict the thing that had actually happened.”

  394. @Hillaire

    The hopelessly intertwined religions, Abrahamic and not, just look for me like the build up from the mixed languages of Babel.
    I have read a comparison of a religion to a human operating system and it looks pretty good for me, actually.
    What if Judaism is DOS, rather cranky, with direct commands for everything (600+ mishnahs)
    Christianity – so “pretty” – Windows, and isn’t one of the newest versions called Unicorn?!
    And Islam would be some form of Unix system (no central authority/central release); like Unix it is a good system for networks, and it does a few things exceptionally well
    …?

    • Replies: @Hillaire
    , @ViktorTempleton
  395. mcohen says:

    With relegion one has to look beyond the facts to the intentions.Will and intent are the cornerstones of survival and this is what relegion provides…..the will and intent to survive.Basically a tool.

    The virgin birth,the parting of the red sea,the flying off on a winged horse.just stories made up for ignorant people centuries ago,before that the old gods of the greeks and vikings and before that the even older gods of Egypt,and so on.

    Priests today stand before people who are a lot wiser as the Internet has changed peoples perception of relegion,but has it changed the intentions of relegion.like charity,diet, etc.
    No.

    All these debates on unz are just entertainment.Personally I think that after 60 or there abouts one should start to move beyond relegion and try to understand the spiritual of nature and where we fit in.

    I came up with this awhile go.this is my personal journey.i have posted it before

    In the tradition of the great jewish kabbalist isaac luria.

    When the soul leaves the body and becomes an electro magnetic entity that moves in the gravitational field of the earth it chooses a suitable living tree and occupies a tree with access to both the world above and below and resides there in its new home.

    There it joins the cycle of life.One should always endeavor to plant at least one tree in your short life on this sacred earth so the souls of dead have a place to reside.Just as the souls of the living reside in houses made from dead trees,so do the souls of the dead reside in the houses made of living trees.

  396. @mcohen

    Interesting hypothesis, the trees. “If we could be as beautiful in our lives as trees are when the green is gone, we would be living in paradise.” Something I composed a few years back and which will serve as an opening statement when I make a public release of my experiences as a sculptor of Diamond Willow, one of the three most rare tree species on this continent.

    With upwards of 10,000 hours invested in the meditative carving in this most magical of tree-forms; my total output is in the neighborhood of 200 sculptural pieces and about a hundred walking-sticks, dancing-sticks, staffs, staves, wands and scepters. My interplay with this medium is merely that of a midwife, as other facilitators have been at work creating the magic. 5 subspecies of Salix are “invaded” at their branch-nodes by a fungus (which I believe to be a meteorite-derived cosmic messenger. In the process of the dying off of one of the multipartite trunks, the second “sculptural” elements go to work as various grubs, ants and other re-formulators. Rot frequently follows the insect “infestations”, as a third activator. At times birds, woodpeckers, seek out their prey in these habitats. Finally, intuitively interpreting the chorus of creative elements, I sculpt the greatly transformed wood.

    My work is called Transformative, Transmutational Realism. As the art world has long been dominated by human hubris and our fascinations with our own thoughts and workings, the greater world of nature is usually overlooked. Yet, the natural world has much to teach us. It is my hope that my endeavors will be of assistance in sharing such perspectives with those who seek out new directions in human artistic expression.

  397. Hillaire says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    It seems you have aquired gnosis Mr Guyenot may all lapsed french papists find their way back to the Languedoc and the truth.

  398. @Jack McArthur

    Revelations does not mention immortal souls being roasted forever. Rev 20 symbolises the total destruction of all organised and personal human opposition to Jesus Christ at the end of his Millennial reign on earth in future. The book of Revelations says it is written in symbols (Rev 1:1 “signified”) and the symbols must be interpreted in harmony with other Bible teachings.

    The devil and Satan, interchangeable terms, symbolise mortal human opposition to God, His laws and his people. Jesus described Peter as Satan in Matt 16. Satan means adversary, and devil (Greek diabolos) means false accuser.

    Rev 20:14 says death and even hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire. How can there be a continuing hell if hell itself is burnt up in the lake of fire. There will be no need for hell (the grave) after that because there will be no more mortal population left to die.

    “Thomas Aquinas wrote that one of the joys of heaven was watching the suffering of the dammed.”

    He must have had a sadistic streak if he wrote that, but he was teaching all these wrong doctrines, such as immortal souls, anyway. It was probably the only way he could console himself for having unnecessarily inflicted a lifetime of celibacy on himself.

  399. @Laurent Guyénot

    Well?
    There is nobody around who could tell us what is truth and what is a lie.
    So we will never know.
    ………………………….
    In the mean time we could only entertain ourself.

  400. @Laurent Guyénot

    Your suggested early dates for the Gospels are rejected by virtually all scholars, including Christian ones.

    Ad populum and ab auctoritate fallacies.

    En Français, des sophismes.

    Like believing that the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark and Luken when the authors are completely unknown. It is really funny to see soooo many people not able to understand the meaning of the gospels and how they were fabricated.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  401. @mcohen

    “When the soul leaves the body and becomes an electro magnetic entity that moves in the gravitational field of the earth it chooses a suitable living tree and occupies a tree with access to both the world above and below and resides there in its new home.”

    https://fineartamerica.com/featured/as-loving-mother-goddess-mut-pours-mary-evans-picture-library.html

    Not far away from Ancient Egyptian depictions. The bird at the bottom of the tree is the Ba of the man (commonly translated as soul). The name of the tree goddess is Ancient Egyptian for “mother”. I am told that military chaplains in both world wars reported that the most common last word of dying servicemen was “mother”. As you come into this world through your mother so the same repeats with the heavenly mother when you leave this earth.

    • Replies: @mcohen
  402. @Garliv

    Not allowed to answer, probably political (in)correctness.

  403. Seraphim says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    The ‘sole effective method’ is faith in the ‘One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church’. The meaning of ‘Catholic catholicus/ καθολικός (katholikos), is “universal”, coming from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou), meaning “on the whole”. The Church is the same in any place, at all times, in any people, because it keeps, and as long as it keeps unaltered (this is the meaning of Orthodoxy- the correct faith) the faith in the tradition (teaching and worship) handed down by the Christ to all the Apostles. The ‘Roman’ Church started a process of alteration of the tradition, opening the gates to Jewish subversion. The ‘correct method’ is preserved nowadays in the Churches who remained Orthodox after the schism of the ‘West’. So, back to Orthodoxy.

  404. @Monotheistic Christian

    Much as I admire anyone who refuses to attribute evil to god I do not see much support for it in the bible. You have to go back much further in time to Ancient Egypt when judgment scenes first appear and when the unrighteous are first punished and then annihilated.

    “And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever”. (Revelations 14:11)
    “And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.(Revelations 20:9-10)
    “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matt 25:46)
    “His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” (Math 3:12)
    “It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:44)
    “The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: “Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?””(Isaiah 33:14)

    • Agree: Seraphim
  405. @HA

    Lol

    Okay, I wasn’t going to bother with this, but here goes …

    You originally wrote:

    In short, sort out your own household before you presume to dictate to mine.

    The usual takeaway from this sentence is that I’m somehow criticizing your “household” — whatever or wherever that may be — which is obviously false. Now you’re telling us that, in presenting my understanding of Islam, I’m attempting to impose it upon my audience, which is also false.

    Mr. Guyenot has aroused a lot of critical sentiment in presenting his essay, but none of the critics here are under any obligation to accept his findings. At the end of day, he’s not “dictating” to them what they should believe; he’s merely presenting an alternative perspective. Same goes for me, HA.

    I don’t know where your household is, but I’m assuming — perhaps incorrectly — there’s a dictionary somewhere in it. Best to crack the binding every now and then before you launch into that keyboard — if, that is, you want to be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @HA
  406. @Laurent Guyénot

    I seemed to have missed this response. Thank you for reminding me of that essay.

  407. Seraphim says:

    And there are people who say that the Bible does not speak of the Hell.

  408. mcohen says:
    @Jack McArthur

    The drawing is interesting.i will read up on it.

    I also find Elephantine Island in Egypt a mystery and the connection between the Jews who lived in Egypt and ancient Egyptian beliefs.This is a quote from the link below

    The Jews had their own temple to Yahweh[5] which functioned alongside that of the Egyptian god Khnum. Along with Yahweh, other deities – ʿAnat Betel and Asham Bethel – seem to have been worshiped by these Jews, evincing polytheistic beliefs.[6]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantine_papyri

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  409. mcohen says:
    @Majority of One

    Great a fellow artist.i work mostly in copper but occasionally in wood I pickup in forests.
    Would like to see some pics.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  410. Looks like Good Goy Guyenot is at it again, pushing gnosticism and Anti-Christianity of his Jewish masters.

    Before I continue, definitive proof for the existence and divinity of Christ may be found in the many laboratory verified Eucharistic miracles, which to my knowledge no atheist has addressed without dismissal or deflection.

    Now, there’s little here that warrants a fresh appraisal, so the bulk of what I write is going to be reworked an an earlier blogpost I wrote on Mr. Guyenot. In brief, his entire career is based on misdirection, attacking the Bible to direct scrutiny away from the Talmud, which is itself a judeo-pagan subversion of the true Old Testament paganism. The Jews themselves are the largest promoters of paganism, and they founded freemasonry for this exact purpose. But even before that, the Jews promoted gnosticism and gnostic heresies such as the ones Guyenot advocates for , to undermine the establishment and authority of the young church.

    This is also why Jews have been active in promoting New Age spirituality such as Busshism and Hinduism to the West (English Jews established a great masonic network in India and South East Asia, and the Dalai Lama himself has praised Judaism).

    But paganism is not the end goal of the Jews, the destruction of Christianity is, which is why nearly all leading figures in the atheist movement are Jews (Lawrence Krauss, Sam Harris, David Silverman, Michael Newdow, Gregory Epstein, Sherman Wine, Bill Maher, Eric Kaufmann) or have Jewish interests (Dawkin’s mother was a Jew).

    Now ask yourself, has the de-Christianization of the West made it stronger or weaker? Have Atheism, Buddhism or pagan revivalism salvages anything our Christian ancestors spent centuries building? The average western buddhist is an aging hippie at Whole Foods. So far the biggest advocates for paganism are sodomites like Jack Donovan, James O’Meara and Greg Johnson. To follow that lot would be to lower men to the state of pigs fornicating in the mud.

    There is no “West” without Christianity. This can be seen in statistics which show how much more committed the average Church-goer is to preserving ethnic identity than the secularist.

    https://www.axios.com/western-european-christians-immigration-religion-4aaa2667-52a0-44e5-8acc-635bf53d73cb.html

    I’ll conclude with a comment from Michael Hoffman that perfectly encapsulates Guyenot’s m.o.:

    For Mr. Guyenot to state that he has “never heard a Zionist quote the Talmud or the Kabbalah, whereas they quote the Bible every day,” probably tells us all we need to know about his knowledge of the subject matter. Zionists quote the Bible because they dare not cite the Talmud lest they reveal the true stature of their holiest book, which is the Babylonian Talmud (the oral Torah — “Torah she beal peh”), not the written Torah of Moses, which it contradicts and nullifies.

    The author writes further: “Inevitably, Jewish nationalism, or patriotic love for Israel, resonates with the destiny of Israel as outlined in the Bible: Yahweh your God will raise you higher than every other nation in the world.”

    He seems to overlook the fact that a little something known as Christendom, the religious, social and cultural behemoth that coalesced Europe into the powerhouse that first emerged in the early Middle Ages, rejected the rabbinic claims to an Old Testament mandate over humanity. Those Christians had studied something which Guyenot apparently discounts: the New Testament, and in particular Revelation 2:9: “I know them that say they are Jews and are not, but are of the Synagogue of Satan.”

    Counterfeit Jews are those who reject Jesus Christ. They constitute not the Synagogue of the Hebrew Old Testament, but that of Satan. They have no legitimate claim on Palestine or any other land on earth. This was the Christian dogma for nineteen hundred years and remains so among authentic Christians.

    The hypothesis advanced by Mr. Guyenot is nothing less than an attack on Jesus Christ, make no mistake about that. Jesus quoted the Old Testament approvingly hundreds of times. He employed it for prophetic, admonitory and pedagogical purposes. There is no true Christianity without the Bible, both Hebrew and Greek Testaments.

    And another, from Lancelot Addison on the Jewish contempt for the Bible:

    “…there are no Jews to be met with who adhere to the Old Bible without Talmud-Traditions …the word Talmud (which makes so great a Noise in the World) it may suffice to observe, that by a sort of Metonymy, it signifies the Book containing the main Doctrines of the Jews…For it is very observable, that the Talmud is oftener brought in Vindication of their religion, than Moses, the Prophets, and Holy Writings: insomuch that they make it, and not the Old Bible, the touchstone of their doctrine, and that into which they resolve the decision of all their cases…the Talmud of Babylon…this later hath obtain’d public honor and belief among them: and at this day is universally received as the authentic body of their Law.
    “The first among Christians who took more solemn cognizance of the Talmud, was Justinian the Emperor, who about the 551 year of Christ, gave Toleration to the Jews to read the Sacred Bible in their synagogues in the Greek Tongue; but utterly prohibited them the reading of the Mishnah, as being neither adjoyned to the Sacred Books, nor delivered from above to the Prophets; but a mere invention of earthly men, who had nothing of Heaven in them. …the Mishnah Torah was composed out of the kabbalistics and anagogics of the Jews…allegorical interpretations, pretended to be derived from Moses. When the Jews were setled in Italy and France, the bishops of Rome began to take severe cognizance of the Talmud. For Pope Innocent IV. commanded all the copies thereof that could be found in France to be burned, because it contained manifest blasphemies against God, Christ, and the Virgin Mary, inextricable abuses, erroneous and unheard-of fooleries.’

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  411. @Laurent Guyénot

    Your suggested early dates for the Gospels are rejected by virtually all scholars, including Christian ones.

    Appeal to authority? Classic pilpul. I see you learned much from the Talmud, including denying the prophecies of Christ that undercut the claims of the Jews.

    We have fragments of Mark in the caves of Qumran which were sealed off long before the Temple was destroyed.

    https://csm.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Frag-from-Qumran-chapter-1.pdf

    That’s incredibly naive.

    This from the man who thinks worshiping New Age Love Goddesses will save the West.

  412. @Robert Anderson

    Long live Emperor Julian !

    You mean the guy who wanted to help the Jews rebuild the temple to stick it to the Christians? Seems pagans can’t help but do the Jew’s bidding.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  413. Seraphim says:
    @Olivier1973

    I was about to believe that the French have not completely lost their heads. I was wrong.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  414. Art says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Christianity as a joint creation of the Flavians and Jewish priestly families, based on some kind of covenant between them.

    Cannot believe that a committee created Christianity.

  415. HA says:
    @AnonStarter

    “The usual takeaway from this sentence is that I’m somehow criticizing your “household” — whatever or wherever that may be — which is obviously false.”

    Oh, so now you’re dictating what the word ‘dicating’ means? And claiming that “either [I] haven’t understood the article, or [my] understanding of abrogation in Islam is misinformed” sure sounds like criticism to me.

    In other words, your obvious distortions of words you yourself typed are a lot like your distortion of Islam and the Qu’ran.

    “Now you’re telling us that, in presenting my understanding of Islam, I’m attempting to impose it upon my audience, which is also false.”

    I’m noting the obvious truth, which is that your particular dictates of what the Qu’ran actually says have been steadfastly ignored by large and powerful contingents in Islam since its very inception. If you are truly in the business of getting people to stop misunderstanding Islam, it would behoove you to focus more of your attention there — i.e. your household. It really isn’t that puzzling.

    But if that’s the best defense you can offer — pointless evasions and semantic games regarding what everyone can see you yourself wrote — that speaks for itself.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  416. Robjil says:
    @ViktorTempleton

    It is quite bizarre. This Julian wasn’t so pagan after all. He is like the “pagans” of today tumbling over hand and foot all over the west to do anything for our ruling Jewish supremacists.

    http://cojs.org/julian-the-apostate-plan-to-rebuild-temple/

    Before his death, Julian appointed his friend and general, Alypius, to oversee the construction. According to the church father Gregory of Nazianzus, writing in Asia Minor within a year of the project, the Jews “in large number and with great zeal set about the work”; women contributed precious ornaments and carried dirt in their gowns.(8) Another contemporary, Ephraem of Syria, a monk famous for his poetic hymns, reported that the Jews “raged and raved and sounded the trumpets” and that “all of them raged madly and were without restraint.” (9)

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  417. Seraphim says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Plotina, like her husband ‘Optimus Princeps’ Trajan, was known as a sympathizer of Jews. It is known from the ”Acta Alexandrinorum/The Acts of the Pagan Martyrs”, that in one of the perennial conflicts between the Jews and Greeks from Alexandria (who sent delegations to the Emperor), she convinced Trajan and the Senators to take the part of the Jews and threaten the Alexandrians because they ‘dared to do bad thing to the Jews’ and that they accused him to surround himself with Jews in his Council, and ”playing the advocate for the impious Jews”. The date of the delegations is 113 AD, shortly before the start of the bloody Jewish rebellions of Cyrenaica and Cyprus.
    Plotina must have been a ‘God-fearer’. The Godfearers (φοβούμενοι τὸν Θεόν, phoboumenoi ton Theon) or ‘God-worshippers (θεοσεβεῖς, Theosebeis) were a numerous class of Gentile sympathizers to Hellenistic Judaism that existed in the Greco-Roman world, which observed certain Jewish religious rites and traditions without becoming full converts to Judaism.
    Trajan is credited with a tolerant attitude towards Christians, when in reality he was the first to declare Christianity ‘religio illicita’ and persecute it. His ‘tolerance’ was shown to “who denies that he is a Christian and really proves it–that is, by worshiping our gods–even though he was under suspicion in the past, shall obtain pardon through repentance”. Trajan executed several Christian leaders including Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, and Simeon, Bishop of Jerusalem.

  418. Who were Philistines, where originated the worship of Dagon?

  419. If Jews are so afraid of pagans, why does Jewish media constantly praise paganism and denigrate Christianity through programs like Vikings and the Last Kingdom, movies like Beowulf, and video games like the Assassin’s Creed series?

    Paganism, like atheism is a Jew-promoted playpen to keep the goyim away from Christianity. Neither atheists nor pagans have even bee a threat to Jewry, and even atheistic and pagan Neo-Rightist movements end up doing little more than spinning in circles and imbibing and promoting Jewish rhetoric against Christ. An anti-Christian, or even Non-Christian right is self defeating enterprise because it involves an implicit retreat from what made the West in the first place. Fools like Andrew Joyce and Guyenot will never find their way back to the castle.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  420. @Franz

    Gore Vidal discusses the underhanded stratagems Christians used to infiltrate and then dominate the Roman world in Julian (1964)

    Gore Vidal was a Jewish sodomite and pedophile who hated Christianity because Christian morals encouraged laws against faggot sex. This is so typical of pagans. Your hatred of Christianity forces you to take Jewish anti-Christian propaganda at face value.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Franz
  421. Dacian says:

    This is just hocus-pocus. You said:

    “ Conclusions drawn from false premises are false.” It’s a Universal. This is false. Period.

    “Conclusions drawn from false premises can be true.” It’s a Particular. This is true.

    And yes, that’s how knowledge unfolds. Columbus had the false premise of finding India by going West. That’s how he discovered America. True conclusion.

    Trowing more latinisms doesn’t make your assertion True.

    In our case, the proposition that ‘Christianity is a human creation’ happens to be factually true. In what you describe above Mr. Guyenot’s conclusion, i.e. ‘Christianity is a human creation’ is a tautology. The premise and the conclusion are the same. We don’t even have a syllogism here. Just a series of facts in between what you call ‘arguments’.

    I guess, you need to go back to your seminarians’ to take comfort in the belief that ‘Christianity is NOT a human creation’. But for the rest of us this is not a Premise or a Conclusion, but a statement of fact. Mr. Guyenot is presenting facts here not logical deductions.
    (It happens that I studied with acad. A. Joja.)

    • Replies: @ViktorTempleton
    , @Seraphim
  422. bjondo says:

    The Western Church is a weak leader.
    The Western Church is a failed leader.
    The Protestant World is confused, lost.
    Both are on their knees.

    The Russian Church is rising stronger every day.
    The Russian Church is The Church.

    The French are confused and weak.

    5 dancing shlomos

  423. Ann K. says:
    @Schuetze

    Fr. Seraphim Rose does a good job of explaining the historical convergence: http://orthodoxaustralia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/course.pdf

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  424. @Dacian

    Mr. Guyenot is presenting facts here

    Really? I’ve seen nothing but thin conjecture.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  425. @HA

    Oh, so now you’re dictating what the word ‘dicating’ means?

    No, we’re merely informing you. You’re taking it far too personally, which is why you erroneously perceive it as “dictation.”

    And claiming that “either [I] haven’t understood the article, or [my] understanding of abrogation in Islam is misinformed” sure sounds like criticism to me.

    Ah, but you weren’t complaining about criticism of your statements, you were complaining about criticism of your “household,” or did you forget this so soon?

    Now here’s something for you to consider …

    Let us concede, arguendo, that Islam is my “household” and the Muslim world is in need of reformation. If so, then the best way to “clean house” is for me, as a Muslim, to offer a means by which they should understand their faith, providing a means to reformation. That’s exactly what I do here, where there are Muslims and non-Muslims alike who read my material.

    If, however, you claim that the perspective I offer is not consonant with Islam, you cannot — without self-contradiction — tell me to reform my own house, since that house — according to you — is already living according to the “proper” understanding of Islam.

    You see, HA? It’s all so simple, even you should be able to understand it.

    • Replies: @HA
  426. The context of this thread can explain enormous anti-Russian hysteria in US, a declaration that (Christian) Orthodoxy is the biggest enemy of the ‘West’, bigger than ISIL, strong support for Bosnian Muslims by American Jews and never seen before in history media satanisation of Serbs, seemingly irrational but enormous constant push for narco-Kosovo to be recognised as an independent state after heavy bombardment, huge investment to prevent Russian ‘maligned’ influence in Balkan. Complementary with this is support to Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople to create artificial Ukrainian Orthodox Church and introduce Orthodox papacy, Soros-Armenia, tolerance of Greek Orthodox Churches which switched to Catholics calendar and because they had few secret agreements with Vatican and support for Vatican Corporation itself so as Protestants which are run as companies with marketing, fluid ‘business’ strategy, modernisation, innovation, stakeholders, PR, etc. The target are Orthodox churches which follow original tenets, do not want to change their service/calendar and not very receptive for outside infiltrations.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  427. Seraphim says:
    @Robjil

    Now it is worth reminding what happened to the rebuilding of the temple, as recorded by Ammianus Marcellinus (not a Christian to be suspected of bias), Book XXIII,1:1-4:
    ”These were the events of that year [362], to pass over minor details. But Julian, who had already been consul three times, assumed the chief magistracy for the fourth time, taking as his colleague in the office Sallustius, prefect of Gaul.1 And for a private citizen to be associated with the reigning emperor seemed an innovation which no one recalled to have been made since Diocletian and Aristobulus.2 2 And although he weighed every possible variety of events with anxious thought, and pushed on with burning zeal at many preparations for his campaign, yet turning his activity to every part, and eager to extend the memory of his reign by great works, he planned at vast cost to restore the once splendid temple at Jerusalem, which after many mortal combats during the siege by Vespasian and later by Titus, had barely been stormed. He had entrusted the speedy performance of this work to Alypius of Antioch, who had once been vice-prefect of Britain. 3 But, though this Alypius pushed the work on with vigour, aided by the governor of the province, terrifying balls of flame kept bursting forth near the foundations of the temple, and made the place inaccessible to the workmen, some of whom were burned to death; and since in this way the element persistently repelled them, the enterprise halted”.

    For good measure let’s see what the Christian writers said.

    Gregory Nazianzen:
    ”[Julian] stirred up against us the nation of the Jews, making his accomplice in his machinations their well-known credulity, as well as that hatred for us which has smouldered in them from the very beginning; prophesying to them out of their own books and mysteries that now was the appointed time come for them to return into their own land, and to rebuild the Temple, and restore the reign of their hereditary institutions thus hiding his true purpose under the mark of benevolence.
    And when he had formed this plan, and made them believe it (for whatever suits one’s wishes is a ready engine for deceiving people), they began to debate about rebuilding the Temple, and in large number and with great zeal set about the work… But they being driven against one another, as though by a furious blast of wind, and sudden heaving of the earth, some rushed to one of the neighbouring sacred places to pray for mercy; others, as is wont to happen in such cases, made use of what came to hand to shelter themselves; others were carried away blindly by the panic, and struck against those who were running up to see what was the matter. There are some who say that neither did the sacred place admit them, but that when they approached the folding doors that stood wide open, on coming up to them they found them closed in their faces by an unseen and invisible power which works wonders of the sort for the confusion of the impious and the saving of the godly. But what all people nowadays report and believe is that when they were forcing their way and struggling about the entrance a flame issued forth from the sacred place and stopped them, and some it burnt up and consumed so that a fate befell them similar to the disaster of the people of Sodom, or to the miracle about Nadab and Abiud, who offered incense and perished so strangely: whilst others it maimed in the principal parts of the body, and so left them for a living monument of God’s threatening and wrath against sinners. Such then was this event; and let no one disbelieve, unless he doubts likewise the other mighty works of God! But what is yet more strange and more conspicuous, there stood in the heavens a light circumscribing a Cross, and that which before on earth was contemned by the ungodly both in figure and in name is now exhibited in heaven, and is made by God a trophy of His victory over the impious, a trophy more lofty than any other!”

    For other accounts see @https://www.joshuatcharles.com/blog/2019/3/13/did-god-prevent-the-rebuilding-of-the-jewish-temple

  428. @Olivier1973

    It’s clear you’re not agnostic. Some of us consider the awareness of not knowing a spiritually positive thing. I was an atheist when I was a teenager and young adult. Then I understood that making a definitive statement on the existence or non-existence of « god(s) » was pretty much the same as making a definitive statement on the existence or non-existence of extraterrestrial intelligent life. I’d be talking about something I don’t know about. I’m happier and feel truer just saying « I don’t know. »

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  429. Kapyong says:
    @Oemiktlob

    Irrelevant to my point. Everything you cite is from much later.

    It’s directly relevant – and evidence you claimed did not exist.

    Gospels & historical Jesus unknown till mid-late 2nd century
    Celsus was the first outsider to review the Gospels – in about 172 AD. Before that, no non Christian had ever heard of them. He dismissed them as fiction based on myths, so the Christians burned his book – but much of it was recovered from Origen’s book Against Celsus.

    The first use of the word ‘gospel’ as the written Jesus story is around 140-150 or so (Justin Martyr, 2 Clement, to Diognetus, or maybe the annoyingly ambiguous Aristides.)

    The first Christian to quote proto Gospels was Justin Martyr in the 150s (Gospels still in flux, and not yet named.) Before that, no Christian writer shows clear knowledge of the Gospels (maybe Papias via Eusebius in the 130s? Aristides?) Clement, Barnabas, or the Didakhe are good examples – c.100 but no mention of a historical Jesus or Gospels.

    No-one ever even heard of the historical Gospel stories until published in the second century, lifetimes after the alleged events, far from Jerusalem. Who do you think would argue with them Oemiktlob ? As if the Gospels were published in Jerusalem in the 30s.

    Disciples as much myth as Jesus

    If Jesus did not historically exist, why is their no record, to my knowledge at least, of someone or a group to point this out and silence his followers thus silencing the spread and growth of his teachings and ministry immediately?

    Because there was no teachings or ministry of Jesus.
    Because there were no disciples of a historical Jesus – they are just part of the story.

    The disciples were unknown to Paul and the early epistles – they are just as fictional as Jesus and the Gospel stories – there is no evidence of any Christian ever following a historical Jesus. Consider the letter of James, supposedly Jesus’ brother – yet not a hint in there of a historical Jesus, let alone any hint of being his brother. The letters of Peter are late forgeries.

    The original Jesus (as found in Paul and the early epistles) was a heavenly being, not a historical one. They never place Jesus in history – no places, no dates, no connection to historical events or people, no disciples, no healings, no miracles, no trial, no teachings (no, ‘received from the Lord’ does not mean Jesus – Paul tells us he got it all through revelation/scripture.) No Virgin Mary, no Bethlehem, no Nazareth, no Lazarus, no Galilee, no Cana wedding, no triumphal entry, no Temple actions. Nothing. Nothing there to argue with.

    Paul never mentions the word ‘disciples’ or any followers of a historical Jesus – he actually says the opposite : that he is just as much an apostle as the disparaged Peter or James because he too has ‘seen the Lord’. That Jesus was a heavenly being, who was seen in visions.

    The Empty Tomb mystery
    Consider the Empty Tomb story – a key part of the Jesus story. But no Christian writer mentions the Empty Tomb until Justin Martyr in the 150s – I count 43 Christian books before then that do not mention it. How can that be ? If Jesus existed, and had followers, then they must have known of the Empty Tomb story (regardless of whether a resurrection really happened.) How can you explain that over 40 of the earliest Christian writings do not mention that critical story until the mid 150s ? (Not counting the Gospels, the point in question.)

    It can easily be expained if Jesus was a myth of literature –
    The first to mention the Empty Tomb story was Justin Martyr, because he was the first to have proto gospels in his hand to quote from. Clearly the Empty Tomb story came from the Gospels, just like the entire historical Jesus story came from the Gospels. Before the Gospels arose, there was no historical Jesus story, just the heavenly crucified Christ story. (Of course a heavenly, fictional or mythical man can die – cf Adam, Attis, Osiris, Heracles, Boromir, Sherlock Holmes – must they be historical because they died?)

    It should be noted that an empty tomb theme was popular in fiction of those times.

    G.Mark the origin of the historical Jesus story
    It all started with the Gospel of Mark – from an unknown hand in an unknown location at an unknown time – a literary work based on : 1) Jewish scriptures, 2) Paul, 3) classical literature. The synoptics just copied from it, with G.John later and even more magical and mythical. Not one Gospel, nor any book of the NT was written by anyone who ever met the alleged historical Jesus. There is only one claim in the whole NT to have met Jesus – the magical event in the latest and most obvious forgery in the whole bible : 2 Peter. (The ‘we know it’s true’ in amended G.John is frankly ridiculous.)

    Fiction or Phantom
    Several lifetimes afterwards, when people did finally hear the Gospel stories, we see two reactions :

    * Christians claiming Jesus never came in the flesh, and/or that he was a phantom.

    * Pagans claiming the Gospels are fiction, myths, lies, fabrications.

    Then the growing church burned the books, and sometimes even the people, who disagreed. For over a thousand years disbelief in the Gospels risked punishment, exile or even death – all giving this result :

    I just don’t see any solid arguments…

    It’s quite clear to me that the Gospels are not historical – but rather mythical literature from long after the alleged events. Jesus is a myth, a fiction, a character of religious literature, like Adam, Noah, Moses etc.

    You may have the last word on this Oemiktlob – it goes on forever.

  430. Seraphim says:
    @Dacian

    Ah, Tovarășul Academician Joja! The memory of the stench of ‘dialectical materialism’ and ‘scientific atheism’ courses that was blowing through the corridors of the ‘educational and cultural institutions’ makes me curiously nostalgic. It doesn’t last long, especially when I see that it is back when you thought that the air was cleansed, albeit coated in ‘dialectical’ gibberish a la Liiceanu (‘Isus al meu’). Vrem spitale, nu catedrale!

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  431. If Christianity could include, among its adaptive aspects, the rejection of the Old Testament’s Jealous God and the Big Lie of Jewish chosenness, then it would be redeemable. But Christians would rather sell their souls to the devil than become Marcionites. In two thousand years of existence, institutional Christianity has consistently evolved in the opposite direction, becoming more and more scriptural, Judaized, and Israel-centered: from Orthodoxy to Catholicism, and from Catholicism to Protestantism, the trend is unmistakable. What else can you expect from an institution that has always invited the Jews, and declared that they cease being Jews the moment they receive baptism?

    And so Christianity is a dead end. It is now part of the problem, not the solution. It may have served us well for some centuries, but in the long run, it has been an instrument of Gentile enslavement to Jewish power. At least, it has not helped us to prevent it, and it cannot help us to overcome it. Many today ask: why are we so weak? It is high time to consider the obvious: having been taught for generations to worship and emulate the man nailed on the cross under Jewish pressure is not the best incentive to resist martyrdom. There is an obvious correlation between being told yesterday that it is moral to “love your enemies” and getting jailed today for “hate speech”.

    I think you are sort of missing the point here Mr. GUYÉNOT. No doubt the Jews and the Christians have merged together to be one under capitalism. The merger is complete we live in a Judeo-Christian country/world. The two are now indistinguishable. To some that might seem like an invasion of the body snatchers but horror movies aside the Jews and Christians are one. You blame the Jews for infiltrating and denigrating Christianity with their irresistible pre ordained cosmic energy to defeat Christianity and subvert white people. A hostile takeover, born of a conspiracy.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Firstly like all of us you know nothing. We are all clueless as to the purpose of the divine cosmic blueprint.The history of the 3 Abrahamic religions is a stupid one. Who could think up such a mess, and why would any divine God pit three competing religions against each other. For what purpose? We are all awaiting answers.

    The recent desire for Christians to be more like the Jews, is their idea. Jews are just as shocked at the Christian Zionist fighting so hard for Israel. The two religions have merged around capitalism and have become a coherent force of nature, except for the atheist progressive identity that makes global godlessness desirable, which many wrongly blame on the Jews. Like communism Jews may be over represented but the decline western values is as much Christianity’s fault as Jewish progressives. Many Jews hate progressives as much as anyone.

    To prove the power of the Jewish Christian merger is a two way tango, look no further then the recent Abraham accords with the Arab Muslims. They want to merge as well. They want to hug and kiss. It is emotional to witness. The only Jew haters over in the ME are the Shia;s.

    Jew hatred is over not because of any great cosmic realization It is over because it has to be over for the world to move on. No one cares about the inexplicable riddle of the Jews, except for some left over Shia and Neo Nazi’s. No-one except people like you where the Jews have rented a room in your head.

    The Arabs have tried everything to defeat the Jews, from wars to massive propaganda designed to demonize the Jews as thieves, who inflict torture on women and children. It has gotten them no where, other then a population behind in commerce and technology, and education. The Arabs need the Jews not the other way around. You really do not have to study this to figure out why, it is common sense that the Jews and Muslims need to make up and move on. But the phenomena of how quickly the hatred has dissipated is mind boggling. Country after country. The Palestinians??

    If you want to try and figure the whys, knock yourself out. For me stories like yours and Kmacs have formed circuitous circles, and an intellectually dead end. Primarily because there does not exist a remedy to the Jew problem that would REALISTICALLY WORK. Intellectually Jew hatred is dead. What you are left with is a bunch of crazy people and Neo Nazi’s hanging on to people like you and Kmac for dear life. Most Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc like Jews. And as you have correctly pointed out the other two religions have made the Jews famous and seemingly invinceable.

    The Christians’ theory that, after choosing the Jews, God cursed them for their rejection of Christ doesn’t contradict, but rather validates the Jews’ claim that they are the only ethnic group that God chose, loved exclusively and guided personally through his prophets for thousands of years. I have argued in “The Holy Hook” that this has given the Jews an ambivalent but decisive spiritual authority over Gentiles.

    P.S

    The “chosen” part of the Jew story what you call the big lie as you describe it is incorrect. The Jews were never chosen in the sense of being the teachers pet, or superior to non Jews. The Jews were chosen only to tell the story. That is it. The Jews are nothing more then the ancient version of a newspaper They are suppose to be the history teachers for the code of the divine nothing more. If you think that Jews feel superior you are nuts. Who would chose to be a Jew. I personally always wanted to be a viking. No one who is Jewish would not jump ship if they could, but to most of us that seems phony.

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  432. gay troll says: • Website

    There are a lot of screeching dogmatists on this thread, projecting the inadequacies of their own belief system onto others. The historicity of Christ is premised wholly on the Gospels, that’s why these books appear first in the New Testament. But the events they describe are not corroborated by any witness of the 1st century, and in fact make no sense in the context of the Jewish-Roman war underway at that time. The Gospels are largely copies and embellishments of each other, and the only other source we have is Paul. But Paul does not describe any of the events of the Gospels, except incarnation, death on a stake, and resurrection. He knows no detail of Jesus Christ’s life. Yet despite this he articulates Christian philosophy.

    We know the Gospels were written after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE, because they pointedly allude to that event. Now, if the Gospels were accurate historical records, and Paul was written later than the Gospels, why would Paul erase every detail from Christ’s life, claim Christ’s teachings as his own, and imply that he only learned about Jesus Christ through Old Testament scriptures and visions? How could Paul expect anyone to take him seriously? The fact is that Paul does not present Jesus Christ as a historical person. This only makes sense if Paul is the earliest Christian literature. If Jesus Christ had really existed, Paul’s gospel would have been a laughingstock. Despite being the oldest Christian text, Paul cannot be placed first in the New Testament because it would give away the fraud.

    One thing we must remember is that the book of Acts was written by the author of Luke and not the author of Paul. It is a patent forgery, just like the Gospels, and similar to Paul himself, who basically admits to inventing Jesus Christ and definitely admits to being a con artist. But at least Paul was honest, unlike those who came after.

  433. Oemiktlob says:
    @ViktorTempleton

    “Paganism, like atheism is a Jew-promoted playpen to keep the goyim away from Christianity”

    I believe you’re onto something here.

  434. idealogus says: • Website

    The article brings some interesting ideas but the main objective is too visible. The main objective of the article is the defamation of Christianity and for this the author uses all kinds of intellectual juggling, statements with practically non-existent evidence, insinuations etc.
    Here is an example:
    “” Kevin MacDonald makes a discreet but crucial point in his preface to Giles Corey’s The Sword of Christ when he writes that “the adaptive aspects of Christianity” are what produced Western expansion, innovation, discovery, individual freedom, economic prosperity, and strong family bonds. ”
    The autor turn the statement upside down and said:
    “This is true if by “the adaptive aspects of Christianity” we mean the aspects that are adopted and adapted from the ancient Greco-Roman-Germanic world, rather than from the Old and New Testament.”
    so they are not the merits of Christianity but of paganism Greco-Roman-Germanic.
    Although I highly respect Mr. Guyenot considers this CRUCIAL POINT to be completely wrong.
    1) strong family bonds.
    This point is perhaps the most wrong to the point of being an idiot. There were no strong family ties in Ancient Rome. There were probably exceptions, but the rule was different. The man was practically the absolute master of the house. The woman was a property. The man could give up the woman at any time. The child was an object until adulthood. Abortion was widespread. At the gates of Rome there were landfills full of broken pottery, rotten food and aborted children.
    In Christianity, the man and the woman at the moment of marriage merge and become one body. The child is a gift from God. What kind strong family ties is Mr. Guyenot in antic Rome. In ancient Greece, during the period of prosperity and expansion of the Greeks, there were really strong family ties. A famous dialogue between an Athenian and a Spartan woman comes to mind. The Spartan woman asks what treasure she gave to the man on her wedding day. He was talking about money. The woman from Athens replies that she gave him the greatest treasure – her virginity. This is a Christian attitude. During the Roman period, Greece fell in decadence and became a widespread practice of pedophilia in which young boys were cared for by adult men who raped them analy and practically distorted their natural tendency to unite with women. For those who don’t know, Spartan women were taught how to “rape” their uber-men on their wedding night. Spartan men lived from childrenhood in military barracks where they had anal sex. As a result, during marriage, it was the only thing they practiced. Understanding the seriousness of the problem, the Spartans taught men to be passive and women to “rape” them in the right way so that children would result. Sparta failed to avoid the demographic winter and became extinct like dinosaurs. Pedophilia has become widespread in Greece. The emergence of Christianity meant a return to normalcy.
    The Roman Empire collapsed, among other things, due to political instability. The emperors did not have strong families and there was no system of inheritance of the throne to ensure continuity and stability. Emperors often adopted adults as “children”. Nero, for example, had sex more often than a rabbit. Nero went to a wedding and slept with the bride and groom. Nero slept with his mother. Nero had only one child after 1,000,000 sex games – Claudia. Then he killed Claudia and her mother. Such strong family ties that i don’t see them.
    Among the first things required of pagans who converted to Christianity was to give up abortions. Mister Guyenot really throws out false ideas that catch on to this site of Christians haters.
    Not to mention freedom. What freedom is Mr. Guyenot? In ancient times, the unanimous opinion was that humans are powerless dolls caught in the game of the gods. All Greek theatric plays speak of the tragic fate of people who do not have the freedom to shape their destiny. People are slaves to gods and destiny. Christianity and Judaism brought the idea of ​​freedom. Here you can talk to God as a loving parent and you can persuade him through prayer to change his plans. And the God who loves us listens to us and fulfills our prayers. Thus man is no longer the prisoner of destiny and can carve his own destiny.
    I will not prolong the post with other evidence.
    In conclusion, it is Christianity that has made Europe (small, divided and poor in resources) an insignificant appendage of Asia and a dwarf compared to Africa to become the master of the planet and the creator of the civilized world.

  435. @ViktorTempleton

    definitive proof for the existence and divinity of Christ may be found in the many laboratory verified Eucharistic miracles,

    Miracles (supernatural manifestations of faith) happen in all religions. They happen every day in hinduism.

  436. Seraphim says:
    @ViktorTempleton

    Mr. Guyenot makes a total fool of himself by taking at face value Robert Price, who makes a fool of himself ”by pointing to another ‘likely’ (at lest he doesn’t say ‘highly likely’ – which in modern parlance came to be a decisive ‘proof’) source for the Gospel narratives: Greek novels such as Chariton’s ‘Chaereas and Callirhoe’, Xenophon’s ‘Ephesian Tale’, Achilles Tatius’ ‘Leucippe and Clitophon’, Heliodorus’ ‘Ethiopian Story’, Longus’ ‘Daphnis and Chloe’, ‘The Story of Apollonius, King of Tyre’, Iamblichus’ ‘Babylonian Story’, and Petronius’’Satyricon”’, unaware that all these novels have been dated, with great generosity, in the 2nd century AD. at the very earliest, and they might actually be considered (in conformity to his own thesis that all classical histories are Renaissance forgeries) at least medieval forgeries. Mais enfin, il faut ‘faire flèche de tout bois’ when you want to show ‘How fake is the Good News’ (à bon entendeur, salut).

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  437. @Laurent Guyénot

    Hinduism originated from Aryans (Rg)Vedas. From Vedism evolved in various directions Brahmanism, Mazdaism and Mithraism. Can you pls close the circle – who were Aryans, who made Vedas and what is the link with the topic of this thread? Txs.

  438. @Seraphim

    Taking into account judeochristianity of early Christians (and Alexandria, besides Rome and Antioch was so called Apostolic Seat, being a city of Apostle Marcus. In comparision, Jerusalem was initially under the bishop of Palestinian Cesarea ), Plotina could sympathize with Chrystians too, at least with Jewish Chrystians. But Hadrian did not sympathize, and finally had thrown out Jews from Jerusalem/Aelia.
    Alexandria was a city notorious for its tumults, first Jewish-Greeks, then Chrystians-pagan Greeks (hm…Hypathia), and then Chrystians-Chrystians (Bishop Athanasius and his opponents)… but not Christians-Jews, strangely. Fanaticism of Alexandrian Christians had something Jewish in it, and famous apologists from Alexandria (Clemens, Origenes) were actually a Jewish school of Philon, so to say.
    But it is not correct to say that paganism was not a danger for Judaism. The Jewish historians of antiquity, like Arnaldo Momigliano, were mulling over and over the theme of ‘Hellenism and Judaism’, Hellenized Judaism etc.
    It is clear that Hellenism was attractive for at least some Jews, enough to evoke fears of assimilation, fears that Christianity per se did not arouse, which could mean that Jews had seen it as their sect for a long time after all, what does support the concept of Judeochristianity.

  439. @Another Polish Perspective

    Mr Guyenot’ article after all is a speculation/variation upon the ancient Judeochristianity concept (not modern, which just speaks of ‘common heritage’) , expanding it not even to Roman Aristocracy – which Flavians WERE NOT – but to equites, which were kind of like the Roman version of bourgeoisie class. Since equites engaged in all kinds of money trades (Vespasian is known for his saying ‘Pecunia non olet’: meaning, all revenue is good revenue), they naturally had more opportunities to meet the Jews and to like them, so to say. Their relatively low origins meant that Flavians were naturally interested in raising their status, so maybe Titus did dream about becoming a Jewish ‘king’ as a husband of Berenice or so.

    ‘Vespasian was the first emperor who hailed from an equestrian family’
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespasian

    In the shortest possible way this article could be summed up as: ‘Christianity has been a conspiracy of money lenders, both Jewish and Roman ones’.

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  440. Dacian says:
    @Seraphim

    You are an idiot.

    I left that part of the world before you were born, as a political refugee. I hate Christianity more than you hate “dialectical materialism”, and all the stupid seminarians confusing thinking with belief.

    So your lack of competence on matters of logic (formal and symbolic) was exposed. What is your response? At hominem slander and hiding behind the use of ignoratio elenchi tricks.

    Is that the best of what a bigot religious hypocrite can do in a discussion by a group of secular thinkers?

    Shame on you! Go back to your monastery.

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  441. @Art

    Please – what about Isaac Newton – a strong Christian.

    Old Isaac was more a Freemason than a Christian, have a look for yourself.
    https://thenarrowgateweb.com/2016/07/27/templars-cross-square-and-compass-and-the-night-owl/

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  442. Dumbo says:

    May God have mercy on the poor fool who wrote this article. Hitler was wrong about many (most?) things, but he was partly right in his despise for intellectuals. Words, words, words…

    When push comes to the shove, Laurence Guyénot will likely convert to Islam, like half of the country formerly known as France. But Christianity will survive.

  443. @Digital Samizdat

    According to Heinsohn, the Jewish Wars of 66-136 AD (against Legio X Fretensis) are the same as the Jewish Wars of 350-420 AD (against Legio X Fretensis), which seems to be consistent with the fact that the Constantinian dynasty considered themselves members of the Flavius family, as is evidence by their full names. That must have happened in reality (seen from our 21st century), in the 8th century. But Heinsohn does not give any clue as to the birth of Christianity in that period, since it sees Christianity as a post-tenth-century-collapse religion.
    https://q-mag.org/gunnar-heinsohn-anno-domini-and-the-distortion-of-scientific-dating.html

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  444. The current version of Messiah story from our drivers:
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4973831/jewish/The-Concealed-End-of-Times.htm

    Do we sense a certain anxiety? Has the great patriarch Jacob [Frank] experienced Colonel Kurtz “Horror” Moment? Are you believers, believers, believers?

    That problem statement, however, seems to be about right:
    “This idea is expressed in the following talmudic passage: “All the prophets prophesied only regarding the days of the Messiah, but regarding the World to Come, ‘No eye has seen, O God, but You.”

    Is this what aliens meant in their 2002 Crabwood message “Beware the bearers of FALSE GIFTS and their BROKEN PROMISES. We oppose DECEPTION.”….?

  445. @Seraphim

    Of course I am aware that these novels are dated in the 2nd century AD. That is why I mentioned that the Gospels may also date from the 2nd century, quoting Doherty:

    Only in Justin Martyr, writing in the 150s, do we find the first identifiable quotations from some of the Gospels, though he calls them simply “memoirs of the Apostles,” with no names. And those quotations usually do not agree with the texts of the canonical versions we now have, showing that such documents were still undergoing evolution and revision.

    Datations of written sources for that period are very uncertain anyway.

  446. Final comments n°1: First, my gratitude to all who read this article, and to all who commented. Thanks to some comments, I have learned much, for instance about Atwill’s theory. I am happy to see that some disagree but express it in a rational way. On this subject more than on any other, I am strongly inclined to disagree with myself, and have no problem engaging in the debate over the question that I formulated thus: “Can there be any benefit for Western civilization in questioning its already shaky Christian foundation?” With those who argue in favor of Christianity not on political ground, but on dogmatic ground, I cannot really dialog. I am saddened by the fact that they see my quest as coming from an evil, blasphemous, Luciferian, French intention. And I find disturbing that I am basically accused by them of engaging of “hate speech” against Christians. Such comments have reinforced my general impression of dogmatic Christians (I use “dogmatic” not pejoratively, simply to mean those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, born of a Virgin and Resurrected from the dead). I may occasionally get a bit upset at Christian arrogance (the credo-quia-absurdum type of arrogance), but I have no hate at all toward Christians. I also find very revealing that, although I explicitely claim to be a theist, I am called an atheist. This is proof that Christians have lost their ability to think creatively about God or metaphysics in general. It’s Yahweh or nothing!
    For my statement of faith, or, more importantly, my view on the utmost importance of religion for civilization, you can read my article: “Enshrining God in the Constitution: Robespierre’s Great Idea” on https://www.unz.com/article/enshrining-god-in-the-constitution-robespierres-great-idea/

  447. @Another Polish Perspective

    Say what you want but these Jews are BELIEVERS in capitals.
    “Doing God’s job”, driving the world to the verge of abyss, all that not even knowing that there will be a cookie for them at the end.
    No wonder, some of them are nasty. Maybe having felt duped, they love duping others.

    For fun, here their take on truthfulness of the Scripture:
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/748106/jewish/Is-There-a-Flawless-Proof-That-Torah-Is-True.htm

  448. @Dacian

    I hate Christianity more than you hate “dialectical materialism”, and all the stupid seminarians confusing thinking with belief.

    Is that the best of what a bigot religious hypocrite can do in a discussion by a group of secular thinkers?

    Typical pilpul. Crying “Bigot!” when confronted with dissent. Well done, Rabbi, well done.

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  449. @Laurent Guyénot

    They happen every day in hinduism.

    Then show me a heathen miracle that was withstood to same scrutiny and verification, or displayed the same sublime character.

    I should expect more than a typical sidestep retort from someone who calls himself a doctor. Is this the best you can do to rationalize your unbelief? Are you that afraid?

  450. @Laurent Guyénot

    This is proof that Christians have lost their ability to think creatively about God or metaphysics in general.

    So you would have us dig of the idols of primitive Gnostic gods and pray to them instead? Reject 2000 years of theology that enabled the West to prosper?

    Anybody remember the media blitz when the Da Vinci Code was first released? How the Jewish media networks and magazines pushed Elaine Pagels and all the other new age feminists to the forefront to discredit early Christianity? How with the blessing of the Jewish oligarchs they claimed that Gnostic Feminists were the real deal and that the mean old Church suppressed them? Because that’s word for the message of this and the rest of the author’s articles;”Turn your back on the God of your ancestors and worship the gnostic goddess.” So says Laurent Guyenot, pute à juifs.

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  451. @mcohen

    Lost access to my camera, but did get a trac-phone. Hoping to access the technology in next few days. Being a 76 y.o. technophobe, it’s not something I much look forward to accomplishing. Meanwhile, if you have copper items you’d like to share in photos, I’d be happy to see them. Just possibly we could ultimately do a combined project or two.

  452. @ViktorTempleton

    “Paganism”, so called by those of the Judie-Christie Magick-mindfuck persuasion, is nothing other than the indigenous spiritual wisdom of virtually all folk cultures throughout the planet. From the original Latin, the very term “Pagani” refers to countryfolk, those too unsophisticated to adopt urban belief systems based on mind-control memes and tropes fashioned by t