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On Tuesday, the jury heard opening statements in Wisconsin v. Kyle Rittenhouse, one of the most closely watched criminal cases likely to be tried this year. Here are the events that led up to the case, and a point-by-point summary of the arguments both sides will make.

In August 2020, a Kenosha, Wisconsin police officer shot a black man named Jacob Blake, and black activists, already on hair trigger over the killing of George Floyd in May, rioted. Kyle Rittenhouse, a white teenager, went out to help protect a local business. During the course of the evening of August 26, he shot three people, killing Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. He promptly turned himself in to the police and is now standing trial in Kenosha. He is now on trial for first-degree murder.

Kyle Rittenhouse during his trial at the Kenosha County Courthouse, Nov. 4, 2021. (Credit Image: © Sean Krajacic/The Kenosha News-POOL via ZUMA Press Wire)
Kyle Rittenhouse during his trial at the Kenosha County Courthouse, Nov. 4, 2021. (Credit Image: © Sean Krajacic/The Kenosha News-POOL via ZUMA Press Wire)

The prosecutor is Thomas Binger, who has worked in the DA’s office for seven years. In 2016 he ran as a Democrat for district attorney in next door Racine County, but lost. In his opening statement, he told the story of a young man who armed himself with a rifle he was not old enough to use and then chased down and killed an unarmed man by shooting him in the back. Mr. Binger told the jury that Mr. Rittenhouse fled the scene without offering aid, even though Mr. Rittenhouse was supposedly there as a medic. After word spread that there was a shooter in the area, citizens tried to stop him. Anthony Huber took “a swing” at Mr. Rittenhouse’s head with his skateboard, causing him to fall, then an unidentified man kicked Mr. Rittenhouse in the face. Mr. Rittenhouse fired his rifle but missed.

Anthony Huber then grabbed the gun, but was unable to disarm Mr. Rittenhouse, because the gun was strapped to his body. Mr. Rittenhouse pulled the trigger as Huber stood over him, shooting him fatally. Gaige Grosskreutz tried to intervene with a phone in one hand and a pistol in another. Mr. Rittenhouse shot him in the arm.

Mr. Binger told the jury that following the Jacob Blake shooting on a Sunday night, the uptown area of Kenosha suffered severe damage, but all of the damage was property damage, and life is more important than property. The prosecutor painted a picture of a town that was not in serious trouble until own-of-towners interfered: “Like moths to a flame, tourists from outside our community were drawn to the chaos in Kenosha.”

“Out of the hundreds of people that came to Kenosha during that week,” Mr. Binger said, “the only person who killed anyone was the defendant, Kyle Rittenhouse.” The prosecutor repeated the phase “hundreds of people” several times, as he told the jury about many hostile arguments that took place that night, re-emphasizing that in this volatile situation, only Kyle Rittenhouse was a killer.

Mr. Binger told the jury that Mr. Rittenhouse got his sister’s boyfriend, Dominick Black, to buy the gun for him, since he was a minor.

On August 25, Mr. Rittenhouse was in Kenosha cleaning up graffiti. Later, he and Mr. Black spoke to the owner of Car Source, a used-car dealership, about protecting his business. They bought straps to hold their guns across their bodies, and then met others who wanted to protect the property. Mr. Binger conceded that it was lawful to protect property with firearms, and that Mr. Rittenhouse was not the only person doing so that night.

The riots of August 25, 2020 raged right outside the courthouse where the trial is now taking place. Protesters threw things at the police, and the police fired rubber bullets. Mr. Binger described how Mr. Rittenhouse met a group of protestors, after one of them started a dumpster fire. There was a harsh exchange, but Mr. Binger blamed Mr. Rittenhouse: “This is not a safe crowd to be in. This is a crowd that does not view him as an ally. This is a crowd that if he ventures out into it, there could be problems.”

He told the jury that Mr. Rittenhouse crossed a police line and “ventured out” among hostile protestors after Car Source seemed safe. At that time Joseph Rosenbaum was on the streets, carrying a clear-plastic drawstring bag, which he got when he was released earlier from a hospital. The bag was for his personal belongings. Rosenbaum, who was 5’3” and weighed 150 lbs., came up to a few men armed as Mr. Rittenhouse was and shouted at them, but they pushed him away.

Mr. Rittenhouse was walking alone, carrying a fire extinguisher in case there were fires. Rosenbaum was behind him. Mr. Binger told the jury that the state will show aerial infrared video taken by the FBI, which proves that Mr. Rittenhouse “initiated something unknown” with Rosenbaum, and that made Rosenbaum run towards him. Mr. Rittenhouse dropped the fire extinguisher and ran. Thirty feet from where Mr. Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum were running, Joshua Ziminski, 35, fired a pistol into the air, and 2.5 seconds later, Mr. Rittenhouse fired four shots at Rosenbaum. The first two hit Rosenbaum’s pelvis and thigh, causing him to fall forward. As he fell, Mr. Rittenhouse fired two more shots, one of which hit Rosenbaum’s back and killed him.

Richie McGinness, chief video director of the Daily Caller, was filming all this, and he said that a shot whizzed past him. For this, Mr. Rittenhouse has been charged with reckless endangerment.

Mr. Binger insisted that when considering whether Mr. Rittenhouse’s action were reasonable it is important to remember that no one else shot anyone that day. “You will get the full story here in the courtroom,” Mr. Binger said. “You will see some things that have not been made public yet.” Judge Bruce Schroeder ordered a recess after Mr. Binger’s opening statement.

Mr. Rittenhouse’s lead defense counsel is Mark Richards. He is a high-profile local lawyer who, over a 34-year career, has worked as both a prosecutor and a defense lawyer. According to his website, he has argued more than 100 cases before juries.

November 4, 2021: Mark Richards cross-examines Richard ”Richie” McGinniss on Nov. 4, 2021. (Credit Image: © Sean Krajacic/The Kenosha News-POOL via ZUMA Press Wire)
November 4, 2021: Mark Richards cross-examines Richard ”Richie” McGinniss on Nov. 4, 2021. (Credit Image: © Sean Krajacic/The Kenosha News-POOL via ZUMA Press Wire)

Before the jury returned from recess, there was a discussion about Rosenbaum, the first man who was killed. There had been a conflict with his girlfriend, and he was forbidden to have any contact with her. He went to her house on the night of the riots, but could not stay. Mr. Binger mentioned this in his opening, but did not explain why Rosenbaum had left. Mr. Richards argued that mentioning this opened the door to explaining the reason Rosenbaum had to leave, but Mr. Binger said that was irrelevant.

Mr. Richards argued that “he can’t have it both ways. He can’t go and say ‘He was at the house and he couldn’t stay there.’ Why can’t we tell the jury why?”

Mr. Richards said it wasn’t fair for Mr. Binger to criticize Kyle Rittenhouse for going to Kenosha while suggesting that Joseph Rosenbaum had a good reason not to be home that night. The jury should know Rosenbaum could not stay with his girlfriend because he was under a no-contact order.

Mr. Richards also argued that he should be able to tell the jury that the hospital Rosenbaum had just been released from was a mental hospital, and that he was in for a suicide attempt. Many would think it relevant whether someone who ran after a man with a rifle had a death wish, but Judge Schroeder thought that might be inadmissible. He said he would rule on it later. He also told the defense not to mention in the opening that that Rosenbaum had violated terms of a bond hearing and that he had attempted suicide.

When the jury returned, Mr. Richards opened by explaining that Kyle Rittenhouse had seen videos of looting and arson in Kenosha, including video that showed part of Car Source on fire. The next day, he went to downtown Kenosha to look at the damage, and helped clean up. He met the owner of Car Source and offered to help protect the lot that night.

Mr. Rittenhouse has strong ties to Kenosha. His father lived there and his mother lived a half-hour away in Antioch, Illinois. Mr. Rittenhouse also worked in Kenosha County as a lifeguard.

Mr. Richards said this trial would not be a whodunit; the case is about whether Mr. Rittenhouse’s actions were self-defense. He told the jury that they are required to look at the case from the standpoint of a 17-year-old in the circumstances Mr. Rittenhouse found himself in. Mr. Richards said it’s true that Mr. Rittenhouse was the only person to shoot someone that night, but he was also the only person to be chased by Joseph Rosenbaum.

Mr. Richards showed pictures of Rosenbaum among the crowd on the street. Someone had started a dumpster fire very close to a gas station. After the fire was put out, Rosenbaum got angry and yelled that he wanted to be shot. He menaced other armed people.

Mr. Richards also showed a picture of Joshua Ziminski, who fired the shot while Rosenbaum was chasing Mr. Rittenhouse. Mr. Ziminski is facing charges for his own actions that night, but Mr. Richards did not tell this to the jury. Mr. Richards showed jurors photos of Rosenbaum and Mr. Ziminski at the dumpster fire, and pictures of Mr. Ziminski carrying a gun and holding a heavy chain.

Mr. Richards told the jury that although Kyle Rittenhouse told Gaige Grosskreutz — the man whom he shot in the arm — that he was going to turn himself in to the police, Mr. Grosskreutz ran after Rittenhouse and pulled out a pistol. He showed a photo of Mr. Grosskreutz reaching for his gun. Other still photos showed that an unknown person known only as “Jump Kick Man” then attacked Mr. Rittenhouse, who fired twice but missed. “Jump Kick Man” disappeared into the night and has never come forward. While Mr. Rittenhouse was on the ground after being jump-kicked, Anthony Huber hit him with a skateboard.

Huber’s girlfriend refused to turn the skateboard over to police, so it will not be in court. “I would love to be able to hold up that skateboard as evidence today,” Mr. Richards said, “Because then you could see it; you could see the weight and the heft of what a skateboard is, and what a skateboard would do when somebody takes it . . . and swings down on somebody’s shoulder, head and neck, trying to separate the head from the body.”

This graphic description was met with an objection from the State, saying that this was Mr. Richards’s interpretation, but Judge Schroeder overruled.

Mr. Richards cited an example of Mr. Rittenhouse avoiding trouble that night. At 11:40 pm, a man accused him of pointing a laser sight at him, but Mr. Rittenhouse walked away.

Dominic Black called Mr. Rittenhouse at 11:45 pm, telling him that rioters were breaking windows and starting fires at a location the court calls “Car Source 3.” Mr. Rittenhouse got a fire extinguisher and went to help, but ran into Joseph Rosenbaum.

Mr. Richards played a portion of the FBI’s thermal imaging video. People appear only as dots of light, and on first viewing, it’s hard to make out what is happening. The jury was warned it would see this “a hundred times.” Mr. Richards said the video shows that Mr. Rittenhouse ran away from Rosenbaum, in contrast to the State’s claim that he was hunting and chasing Rosenbaum.

Mr. Richards told the jury that Kyle Rittenhouse will take the stand. The lawyer said that both Mr. Rittenhouse and another witness will tell the jury that Joseph Rosenbaum threatened to kill them.

Describing the argument between Rosenbaum and Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Richards said, “Mr. Rosenbaum is wearing that maroon shirt on his face as a mask, covering up his identity, because he wants to steal my client’s firearm, and use it against him to carry out the threat he made earlier.”

Mr. Rittenhouse fired four shots after Rosenbaum screamed at him, and the shooting, which took 76 hundredths of a second, will be analyzed by an expert witness.

A video taken by Gaige Grosskreuz was shown during opening statements. Mr. Rittenhouse is running while Mr. Grosskreuz asks him what’s going on and who got shot.

Mr. Richards showed photographic evidence that Mr. Grosskreuz pulled a weapon before Mr. Rittenhouse shot him. Mr. Grosskreutz lied in his statement to the police, claiming he was unarmed. He told police he was trying to stop Huber from beating Rittenhouse with the skateboard.

The defense played a familiar video of Mr. Rittenhouse trying to surrender while police vehicles roll by. Mr. Richards told the jury that the police told him to go away and sprayed pepper spray towards him. At 1:20am, Mr. Rittenhouse, accompanied by his mother, turned himself in at a police station in Antioch.

These are the charges against Mr. Rittenhouse:

First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Dangerous Weapon – for killing Anthony Huber, the skateboard attacker. The charge carries a mandatory life sentence. The weapons modifier adds an additional five years to the sentence for each charge.

First Degree Reckless Homicide, Use of a Dangerous Weapon – for killing Joseph Rosenbaum. It is a felony punishable by up to 60 years in prison.

Attempted First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Dangerous Weapon – for shooting Gaige Grosskreutz in the arm. It carries a maximum sentence of 60 years, plus five years for the weapons modifier.

Two counts of First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety, Use of a Dangerous Weapon – The first count is because Richie McGinniss was in the line of fire when Mr. Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum. The second is for the shots fired at “Jump Kick Man.” Each charge is punishable by 12 -1/2 years in prison.

Possession of a Dangerous Weapon by a Person Under 18 – This is a misdemeanor punishable by up to nine months in prison.

Failure to Comply with an Emergency Order from State or Local Government – There was an 8 p.m. curfew for the night of the shootings, and Mr. Rittenhouse was out well after that hour. This offense carries a \$200 fine.

Judge Schroeder told the jury what the state must prove in order to find Kyle Rittenhouse guilty of these charges. His actions easily meet these criteria for homicide, but he is innocent if he acted in self-defense. These were the judge’s instructions on self-defense:

“Self-defense allows the defendant to threaten or intentionally use force against another only if the defendant believed there was an actual and unlawful interference with his own person and that he believed the amount of force he used or threatened to use was necessary to prevent or terminate the interference and that his beliefs were reasonable. The defendant may intentionally use force which was intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm, only if the defendant reasonably believed that the force used was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, a belief may be reasonable, even though it is mistaken. The standard is what a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence would have believed in the defendant’s position.”

Judge Schroeder further stated that the burden is on the state to prove that Mr. Rittenhouse did not act lawfully in self-defense.

We cannot cover every day of the trial, but these are the arguments that testimony is expected to flesh out.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. How the Rittenhouse Trial Will Unfold

    The title for a summary of the trial to date?

    , but these are the arguments that testimony is expected to flesh out.

    C’mon.

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
    , @Richard B
    , @anon
  2. If the jury follows the judge’s instructions on what constitutes self-defense, it seems to be a slam dunk that Rittenhouse should be found not guilty of murder. But he may not get totally off the hook, as he was a 17 y/o minor illegally in possession of a firearm. His friend, who purchased it for Kyle, and who was the legal owner, may have also committed a crime. I wonder if the DA charging him?

    Let’s hope the jury isn’t intimidated by factors outside of the court room, as may have occurred in the murder conviction of Officer Chauvin. Jurors in these high profile cases must live with the fear that they will be doxxed someday – if they don’t give the MOB the verdict it demands.

  3. But he may not get totally off the hook, as he was a 17 y/o minor illegally in possession of a firearm.

    The multiple laws on that are so iffy the judge said he might just declare them to be unconstitutionally vague. It’s also a misdemeanor as our host pointed out.

    Let’s hope the jury isn’t intimidated by factors outside of the court room

    That’s a real possibility, voiced by some of the prospective jurors, and the judge didn’t help when he said in his thirty plus years on the bench I think it was that while no juror had ever come to harm, even judges only get assassinated every 10-14 years…. But overall the judge seems to be a straight shooter so to speak, although I haven’t read self-defense law specialist lawyer Andrew Branca’s Legal Insurrection coverage of the trial for the last day or two, if you want all the details that’s the place to look.

    • Replies: @USA1943
  4. Franz says:

    Show a video of Johnny Tremain, the 1956 movie by Walt Disney.

    The title character was nowhere near legal age when Lexington and Concord were going on. Surprising for a cheap 50s movie, it has Johnny not only bagging his share of redcoats, but doing it with a gun stolen from one of the dead ones.

    Why it matters now: The movie shows a state of war, when the “Law, the rules, break down” as George Patton put it to his 3rd Army staff. When that happens the law must RE-established by force. The politicians allowed a state of anarchy and disorder on the streets of a nation of laws. Consequently, bringing it back was the concern of every citizen. The details of age, time of day, are irrelevant when the wheels are coming off the wagon.

    If the authorities had done their jobs no law would have been broken. Since Kyle was establishing order in the area he was in the right. Can’t break a law where there is none.

    • Thanks: GMC, bruce county
    • Replies: @Alden
  5. “He shoots–he scores !” —NRA

  6. How many of the “protesters” were charged with felony arson and vandalism or property destruction vs how many people trying to prevent crimes from occurring were charged?

    I doubt it would be “just property” if these people smashed in the windows of Binger’s property and started throwing molotov cocktails through them. Then it would be,what? Some sort of felony crime that they would definitely go to prison for. How about applying that standard to the unwashed masses so that people like Kyle Rittenhouse aren’t needed?

    By the way the people in the local governments react,you’d almost think these riots where billions of dollars in property get damaged by rioters were some sort of insurance scam the local government and leaders of the riots all agreed to beforehand. That sounds like a reason to punish anyone trying to prevent rioting the same way you’d normally,in a sane country,punish anyone engaged in a riot. Doesn’t it?

    • Agree: Realist, 3g4me
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  7. Joseph Rosenbaum ranting “shoot me” at the riots.

    Ike the Spike attacking Agent Cooper played by Kyle Maclachan. An uncanny resemblance between Rosenbaum and Ike 🙂

  8. The patterns. Absurd lies relating to Kyle Rittenouse’s self defense. Derek Chauvin and Floyd’s fentanyl overdose. The Jan 6 trespassers. The death of Ahmaud Arbery. Fields sentenced to 400 years for a traffic accident.

    These are patterns that tell you that your government has become your enemy. Why, is hard to explain. But the patterns should be clear to anyone.

  9. It’s never the religousness of the cuntry,is it? Is it always the individuals on trial?

    IF “we” had more laws,lawyers,judges,police,rules,regulations,policies,politicians,
    educators,personal trainers,sherriffs,deputies,national guard,intelligence agencies,
    community organizers,bussiness associations,prisons,universities,mentors,elders,
    surveillance sytems,security companies,scout leaders,big brothers,parents…

    and…more nice,smart,moral,virtuous,obese,diabetic,alcoholic,holy jurors,

    then…”the people” would be able to praise our perpetual progress with “true” faith.

    Good luck to all the Kyles’,it looks like he’ll need MORE money as well

  10. Z-man says:

    Sadly he only killed two. Only two of the ‘un-Chosen ones’.
    Free Rittenhouse.

    • Agree: Realist
  11. Dumbo says:

    It’s not about the crime, it’s about who you are or what you represent.

    I doubt they’ll let him go free. But perhaps the courts are not completely corrupted.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  12. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:

    Unfortunately I think the January 6, Aubrey, Charlottesville and Rittenhouse convictions are predetermined, the government will continue prosecuting these defendants until they are sent to horrible prisons, families rendered indigent and driven insane. In slow motion over many years to come.

    Innocent and sympathetic as the defendants all are, these prosecutions mean that self defense, peaceful protest and protecting your property are extinguished for White (or light) wage slaves, err, citizens.

  13. The British Common Law definition of second-degree murder –
    “participation in a crime where there is a death (even if it´s a perp)” –
    is clearly more applicable.
    Rioting is a federal felony on par with a lynch mob – would the prosecutor
    in that case still dare say the victim “initiated something unknown”?
    (I would say the state, in failing to uphold the law, has lost standing
    but I´m more the Dick the Butcher type than a lawyer 😀 )

    Kyle will be railroaded.

    • Replies: @Alden
  14. Petermx says:
    @follyofwar

    The DA is charging Kyle’s friend (and boyfriend of Kyle’s sister). When he was questioned by the prosecutor he must have felt uncomfortable that his testimony would be used against his friend Kyle. Despite being charged with “breaking the law” what you don’t read here is how responsible Kyle and his friend behaved. Kyle paid for the gun and in that sense it was his but not in any other way. Being under 18, Kyle’s friend insisted he would keep the gun in his house under lock and key until Kyle turns 18. Then Kyle would take possession of the gun. Kyle came over to his friends house for target practice and I think he used his gun at that time. Legally the gun was not Kyle’s and he paid for it but it was treated as if it was owned by his friend. I consider this very responsible of those young guys. The problem is Kyle took the gun when he was at the house at the time they were planning to go to town to protect the businesses and Kyle’s friend, if I recall the testimony correctly, said he was unaware Kyle took the gun. That is why Kyle’s friend is being charged.

    • Thanks: follyofwar
  15. gotmituns says:

    From what I’ve read, it seems the trial is going very well for Kyle. But nowadays, you just don’t know what people hear (the jury). They may be sitting there and just hearing a buzzing going on in their collective heads. You just never know anymore in this upside down world we live in now.

  16. Guilty as charged for the following two charges:

    “Possession of a Dangerous Weapon by a Person Under 18 – This is a misdemeanor punishable by up to nine months in prison.”

    “Failure to Comply with an Emergency Order from State or Local Government – There was an 8 p.m. curfew for the night of the shootings, and Mr. Rittenhouse was out well after that hour. This offense carries a \$200 fine.””

    Outcome: suspended sentence for the first charge and a fine of \$200.00 for the second charge. Case closed!

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @mike99588
  17. Dr. Doom says:

    Good boy shoots three Zionist terrorists, Jew DA engages in malicious prosecution.
    Every. Single. Time.

    BTW, the Aubrey malicious prosecution is going on right now also.
    That felonious monkey has his baby daddy looking for the ghetto lottery.

    The Zionist Occupation must be burned off of America like a giant leech.
    The Rule of Law is no longer in effect.

    Do not trust the polecats with badges. Judges are just COLLABORATORS.
    When this Civil War gets hot, know your role. Polecats and Zionist collaborators are targets.

    Pick your shots carefully. Aim for the head. They have lots of kevlar vests.
    The media are domestic terrorists. ADL, SPLC and alphabet are high value targets.

    Its gonna get worse before it gets better.
    Do as you wilt is now the whole of The Law.

    • Replies: @Thim
    , @Anonymous
  18. BuelahMan says:
    @schnellandine

    Yeah. I was expecting to see some crazy prediction. Just clickbait for Am Ren (with Unz getting a little of the action).

    I predict that Rittenhouse gets off because it is obviously self-defense.

    How’s that?

  19. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    “These are patterns that tell you that your government has become your enemy.”

    “Has _become_??????

    This “just” in:

    “The State is, and always has been, the great single enemy of the human race, its liberty, happiness, and progress.” Murray Rothbard

    “The State is a gang of thieves writ large – the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society.” Murray Rothbard

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. None of the Kyle-shot dead are black, they’re gonna sit this one out, I bet. Blaxx, riot over crazy-ass jews getting what they had coming? Doubtful. There will be an incident that will more directly incite them soon enough. That train is never late.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Petermx
  21. Maddaugh says:

    And the “victims” are Hubba, Rosebum and Grosscuz. Hmmmmmm. There is a certain ethnic similarity to those names which I just cannot put my hands on. LOL. As well, all were known to the Police.

    What I found astounding is that had Grosscruz not flinched he could have capped Ritten while he was on the ground. Such are the vagaries of combat. If you dont have the will and instinct at the moment of truth things will go bad for you as it did for the Gross.

    Good combat skills on the part of Ritten. It looks like he had some solid training. I laughed when Grosscruz got it in the arm, jumped and started hollering like a baby while the fourth guy put up his hands. Ritten should have finished both off as well, or at least the Gross should have received a double tap to the chest as he was holding a pistol ! Might as well go for the hat trick.

    Its always amusing when a posse thinks they have the upper hand only to experience being obliterated. Memories of the Goetz subway shooting when the tables got turned on those Afros.

    If the law allowed citizens to take care of business our problems with lawlessness in this country would be solved in a short time.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  22. I watched as much of the trial on YouTube as I had time for. The judge seems to be a fair man, but he is not moving the trial along, and is allowing the prosecution to pursue too much irrelevant testimony (IMHO). A few of the prosecutions witnesses provided testimony which harmed the state’s case (for example, the guy who worked for the Daily Caller), which I thought was funny.

    Also, the immigrant (perhaps from India) whose father owned the car dealership which Kyle was defending, was obviously lying. His lies were obvious when he was cross-examined by the defense. He claimed not to know anything, and played dumb. Things aren’t going well for the prosecution. But you can never tell how a 12 person jury will rule. All it takes is one obstinate juror to cause a mistrial, and they’ll have to do it all again.

  23. Maddaugh says:
    @Chinaman's Nightmare

    Outcome: suspended sentence for the first charge and a fine of \$200.00 for the second charge. Case closed!

    What about some medals or at least acknowledgement that Ritten the Kid was as good as Wyatt .

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  24. KenH says:

    Rittenhouse defense attorney Mark Richards is a liberal Democrat. He says he has tried over 100 cases yet he never mentions how many wins he’s logged which probably means his win total isn’t very impressive. Time will tell if he’s sincerely defending Rittenhouse or will just throw the case as happened to some of the defendents in UtR cases.

    Rittenhouse is being charged and overcharged because he is a white kid on the wrong side of the political spectrum. This is a clear cut case of self defense and if this was the America of old instead of the communist hell we’ve descended into he would not have been charged or only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon for someone under 18yrs.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  25. Kyle Rittenhouse did more to stop BoweLMovement and fagtifa terrorists than all National Slouch and do-nothing donut chokers combined. Post-Kyle, riots by both terrorist groups seemed way less enthusiastic. He is a hero.

    Unz readers have an unlimited number of dates and events from the last 100 years to announce the federal mob became fully and irredeemably corrupt, and be correct. This includes the Just Us system. Chauvin should’ve had a mistrial the moment whichever Chosenite in Fraudsident Shittenpants’ earpiece that day decided to weigh-in on that case.

    Rittenhouse should never have been charged with anything except a joke-fine for littering with confetti from a Kenosha parade in his honor!

  26. gotmituns says:
    @follyofwar

    But you can never tell how a 12 person jury will rule
    —————————————————————

    Exactly, you never know anymore what people hear and how that information evolves in people’s minds and what thought comes out the other end. Many/most people have no idea of basic logic. Such as “For every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction,” Sir Issacc Newton. This case is a classic example of that theory.

  27. @follyofwar

    I was a jury foreman on a felony assault trial. One or two blacks were on the jury. The defendant and all of the “victims” were all unsympathetic White trash, so race (as far as a mixed race jury was concerned) was not an issue.

    Among other take-a-ways from the experience, I can say that juries do not always follow judges’ instructions.

  28. Agent76 says:

    Aug 26, 2020 CONTEXT: The TRUTH Behind Jacob Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse And The KENOSHA SHOOTING!!!

    17 year old Kyle Rittenhouse was arrested today after two people were fatally shot and another was injured in Kenosha Wisconsin. Rittenhouse was there protecting private property during a riot which followed the shooting of Jacob Blake a violent individual who had a warrant out for his arrest, defied police orders and was subsequently shot in the back 7 times!

  29. @Maddaugh

    I laughed when Grosscruz got it in the arm, jumped and started hollering like a baby while the fourth guy put up his hands. Ritten should have finished both off as well, or at least the Gross should have received a double tap to the chest as he was holding a pistol ! Might as well go for the hat trick.

    Found the Fed, or or one of them.

    If Rittenhouse had done that he’d definitely be convicted of murder, the threat from Grosskreutz had been very neatly removed, and “the fourth guy” was genuinely surrendering rather than making perfidious (legal concept, at least in the laws of war) feigned surrender like Grosskreutz did. This advice would not only be politically disastrous for the rest of us, it only makes sense for Rittenhouse if he had perfect foreknowledge of the outcome of future legal battles, in which case he would had assuredly done something different that night. As it is, with the law, facts, and judge on his side, as of now he’s doing pretty well.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Maddaugh
  30. @KenH

    Rittenhouse defense attorney Mark Richards is a liberal Democrat. He says he has tried over 100 cases yet he never mentions how many wins he’s logged which probably means his win total isn’t very impressive. Time will tell if he’s sincerely defending Rittenhouse or will just throw the case as happened to some of the defendents in UtR cases.

    “Liberal Democrat” does not mean “revolutionary Democrat,” and aside from questions about jury selection, there’s not the slightest sign so far that he’s throwing the defense. Anyone looking closely like he is also notes it doesn’t fit the normal tropes, the initial lethal encounter wasn’t with a “protester,” they were generally physically restraining Rosenbaum and making it clear he wasn’t one of them, but a genuinely crazy man who’d just been discharged from a mental hospital for a suicide attempt.

    There’s there’s every sign Rosenbaum was attempting suicide by armed citizen, which is a thing like suicide by cop. Also doesn’t help all three shot by Rittenhouse were already felons, the first two who died of heinous crimes, and the last was clearly attempting to murder Rittenhouse through a perfidious feigned surrender (open handed approach before pulling his Glock, Rittenhouse was about a second from getting killed, all this obvious in videos unlike the first encounter).

    Richards did very well in the critical pre-trial pre-jury selection phase, again helped by the law, facts (most of the indictment (“criminal complaint”) reads like a brief for the defense), and judge, because the latter is very experienced and sane. He’s suitably destroyed the bogus prosecution witnesses on cross-examination, didn’t have so much work to do for the ones who the idiot prosecutor called who strengthened the defense’s case. In one case the prosecutor then tried to impeach his own witness! After which Richards suitably responded in cross examination.

    • Replies: @KenH
  31. @AbrahamSteinblattbaumstein

    How many of the “protesters” were charged with felony arson and vandalism or property destruction vs how many people trying to prevent crimes from occurring were charged?

    The first guy to start shooting in Kenosha was a “protestor,” and we now know there’s some evidence he was firing at Rittenhouse. “Curiously” the charges against him just happened to be dropped three weeks ago.

  32. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    “These are patterns that tell you that your government has become your enemy.”

    “Has _become_??????

    It’s a subtle change that isn’t well captured in English.

    Roughly speaking, the Roman Republic had 3 classifications for foreigners.
    Amicus — friends of the Republic by treaty. Example: The net of Italian client states during the war with Carthage.
    Inamicus — No treaty, so not friends. What we, today, would call “competitors”. (“enemies” comes from this word, but has been promoted to the next stage, active opponents.) Example: any obscure city state that didn’t trade with Rome.
    Hostis — Enemies, possibly in a state of active war (hostilities). Example: Carthage when not the subject of active combat.

    Under the Roman classification, Just another serf appears to be asserting that Western government has graduated from unfriendly tax farmers (inamicus) whose goal was asset stripping to a new goal: seeking, essentially, the genocide of some identifiable part of its population.

    Note that the original description of “genocide” included the extinction by force (such as police power) of the way of life that defines an ethnicity. BLM, anti-Whiteness, and “transforming America” would still fit that definition if not a single White were harmed by direct physical means.

    Inamicus to Hostis would be a significant jump.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  33. Hmm, just imagine what a trial this would have been if Rittenhouse had been black…

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @usNthem
  34. A question for the author. What was going on with the FBI? I mean why did they seem to withhold the aerial footage? Did the defense counsel have to pressure them to release it? Did they throw up the usual roadblocks when politicial issues are involved?

  35. Thirty feet from where Mr. Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum were running, Joshua Ziminski, 35, fired a pistol “into the air

    Only in the sense that he didn’t fire it directly into the ground. I have not seen any video evidence that clearly documents Ziminski’s direction of fire, and the author does not present any — just slips in this naked assertion and moves on.

    One interesting note about this case: people tend to think of the virulently anti-White BLM/ antifa riots and the associated propaganda campaign as largely a semitic supremacist phenomenon, but the town of Kenosha is actually run by a different ethnonarcissistic clan — Armenians.

    One of the lead detectives in the Kyle Rittenhouse case has close family ties with the mayor of Kenosha and other Democrat politicians. Detective Benjamin Antaramian is the nephew of Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian, who was re-elected to another four-year term in 2020. Antaramian, a Democrat, first served as mayor from 1992-2008 and was again elected in 2020.

    Through his family relationship with Mayor Antaramian, Detective Benjamin Antaramian, has several other family members serving in government positions: The mayor’s cousin is the Kenosha City Attorney, Ed Antaramian (D); his nephew is the Kenosha City Judge Michael Easton (D); his other nephew is Thaddeus “Tip” McGuire (D), State Representative; and his other cousin is Laura Belsky (D), County Board Supervisor.

    “Dog that didn’t bark” note:

    Antaramian is the detective who opted not to record Kenosha PD’s interview with armed rioter Gaige Grosskreutz, the only witness or person of interest where this was done. Kenosha police also opted not to execute a search warrant they had obtained in order to seize Grosskreutz’s phone.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  36. @follyofwar

    A few of the prosecutions witnesses provided testimony which harmed the state’s case (for example, the guy who worked for the Daily Caller), which I thought was funny.

    Was that this guy?

    Yeah that’s not the sort of result you’re supposed to get from direct examination of your own witness…

  37. KenH says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    “Liberal Democrat” does not mean “revolutionary Democrat,” and aside from questions about jury selection, there’s not the slightest sign so far that he’s throwing the defense.

    Fair enough but given what’s happened with James Fields, a few other UtR defendants and now some of the January 6th trespassers there’s reason to be skeptical and cynical.

    OTOH, the D.A. appears to be very sympathetic with the far left and antifa.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @follyofwar
  38. (Spoiler Alert: Dreamer living in a nightmare)
    Unlike low life pos George Floyd elevated to worship status as a Wakandian King, Kyle Rittenhouse should be celebrated as an American hero, and praised by National media and government for defending America.
    I can’t think of one American who risked his life and stood up to a bunch of despicable BLM/Antifa scum than he.

    LETS GO BRANDON should be graffitied on every government building in America.

    • Replies: @starthorn
  39. Is this antifa group a Mossad patsy operation or are they made men? Aren’t they something the banksters and Obama grew out of his destabilization of occupy wall street? Inter-agency, international color revolutionary spook operation out of the Gene Sharp playbook of escalatory passive aggressive violence?

    The have to have significant grease behind them to rate the federal logistics support and the kneejerk media sob sisters. Such a waste of resources when you know their dupes lose in any formation they attempt.

  40. USA1943 says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Rittenhouse could have asked for a Bench Trial (Basically Judge is the Jury) if he was worried about the Jury being intimidated (Chauvin could have as well)

  41. Rob McX says:
    @Morosamguten

    If he were black…what trial?

    • Replies: @Morosamguten
  42. Rob McX says:
    @USA1943

    Yes, I wondered why neither Rittenhouse nor Chauvin did so. I’m not saying judges are impartial, but I think I’d rather take my chances with one than play ghetto roulette with twelve aspiring rappers good and true.

  43. mike99588 says:
    @Chinaman's Nightmare

    That’s still overcharging.

    The 18 yo rule is likely constitutionally vague due to interplay of various statutes.

    Since he was responding to arsonists’ fire, while exiting from private property that his group has some claim of permission, the proposed emergency order violation seems like a huge unequal application (protection) of the law at least.

    The kid should be set free with an attaboy.
    If he needs (re)education, maybe a good CCW course will better his legal thinking and responses.

  44. @USA1943

    Rittenhouse could have asked for a Bench Trial (Basically Judge is the Jury) if he was worried about the Jury being intimidated (Chauvin could have as well)

    When was the last time someone tried that in a politically charged trial and it worked? Rittenhouse’s judge certainly knows that assassination is on the table for him from his comments on that during jury selection.

    • Replies: @USA1943
  45. mike99588 says:
    @KenH

    ADA DumbAss is a woke turd that needs to be charged with malicious prosecution.

  46. mike99588 says:
    @James Forrestal

    The video I saw, the gun is momentarily raised in the air and pointed up greater than 45 degrees around the time of discharge. Then a few seconds later Rittenhouse takes out the garbage.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  47. RobinG says:
    @Jim Christian

    But it’s Antifa White Tranny that’s threatening violence. Back in Portland, it was (still is) Antifa running the action. Last summer many BLM tried to get them to cool it, w/o success. It may not go anywhere, but that’s where the threat’s coming from.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  48. Wisconsin is a hunting state with the majority of white men owning multiple firearms. Not sure what the “possession of a deadly weapon by someone under 18” is about since its ok to shoot small game and deer from age 12 with hunter’s safety.

    Let’s hope the jury is filled with good sense.

  49. @mike99588

    maybe a good CCW course will better his legal thinking and responses

    He’s going to teach it?

  50. RobinG says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    You are way too logical thinking for the Madd Dogg. Pearls before up-chuck. [Or did you mean Maddog is the BS spouting Fed provocateur?]

  51. So Rittenhouse brought an assault weapon because he was bent on killing people?

  52. Wielgus says:
    @Rob McX

    In most European countries there are no juries and it is all on the judge. Can’t say I prefer it.

  53. @KenH

    Mark Richards, per his website, has been a criminal defense attorney for 30 years, taking on all kinds of cases. He is not a public defender, as was the case with the lawyer(s) in the Fields trial, who didn’t put up much of a defense in that kangaroo court. His political views should be irrelevant. No good lawyer would want to lose such a high profile case, regardless of his politics. His bald assistant, Corey Chirafisi, seems pretty good too.

    Too bad that Kyle’s original attorney, Lin Wood, went off the deep end in the 2020 election, which made him unacceptable to defend Kyle. A more concerning matter is why well-known attorney Robert Barnes left the defense team at the last minute. Per PJ Media, Barnes said that someone is “deliberately sabotaging Kyle’s defense.” It may have something to do with Richard’s opening statement, where he said that young Kyle would be put on the stand. For even a non-lawyer like me, saying that at the beginning of the trial is unnecessarily risky.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @James Forrestal
  54. @RobinG

    Or did you mean Maddog is the BS spouting Fed provocateur?

    That; very possibly a real one, but more likely someone LARPing or just an idiot. Such people should be shunned, nothing good comes from having anything to do with them.

    • LOL: Maddaugh
    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  55. @Rob McX

    Judges are some of the most politically corrupt people you’ll come across. If he would have asked for a bench trial, you can be assured he would have been assigned the farthest left, most rabid-liberal judge there is. For an example, check out Judge Emmett Sullivan assigned to General Flynn’s case; he dragged out that case with every dirty trick there is. With a jury of 12, you just need one person on your side. You must realize one of the major cornerstones of our country, the justice system, has been completely corrupted.

  56. The system can rid itself of criminal gangsters, but the ones who hold the most power will always act like gangsters. It’s like the FBI got rid of much of the mafia but gained in power by acting like gangsters themselves.

    And Jewish Power has two sides. The respectable side that smiles and puts forth arguments and recommendations. But when this side of Jewish Power doesn’t get what it wants, there are other wings that use blackmail, threats, smear campaigns, and other forms of muscle. Behind every ‘reasonable’ Jew there is a mean Jew with a cattle prod.

    The Rittenhouse Trial goes to show how utterly corrupted the legal system is. It’s not controlled by criminal gangsters but by pedigreed gangstoids, ones who are ‘legitimate’ but break every rule and violate every principle to get what they want. Jewish Gangstoids run the West.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  57. Wake Up says:

    Our Country needs more people like Kyle Rittenhouse and a lot less of the type of people he shot.

    • Agree: USA1943
    • Replies: @anonymous
  58. @RobinG

    Oh really. Are you high. Like your black brothas are always and not Whites. Except for Whites that follow and worship black irresponsibility and degeneracy. When Chaz/Chop was the thing it was blacks and White cucks like you that worship everything black 365 and love blacks in the National Felon League(it ain’t the Amish) that were rioting and burning shit to the ground. All the White “yoof” that are running around robbing,looting and calling Cops ACAB are White wigger POS losers who love black “culcha” like you. When Chaz started all the White wiggers soon got their asses kicked when the rapper African warlord wannebe showed up and started handing out AK47’s from his trunk. It wasn’t White Antifa pussie Wiggers that were handing out AK’s from the trunk of their cars.Then it turned into Chop and all the kneegrows starting all the killing and 100% of all the killings were black on black and all the White underage teenage girls that were WOKE were getting raped and sodomized by all the black trash that you worship and pay for by buying rap and watching football and basketball, got it loser. Don’t YOU EVER open your F’in mouth to me about what happened EVER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME> An all the soy cucks like you did NOTHING to save those poor White girls from being brutalized by all your black friends.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @RobinG
  59. @Maddaugh

    I would say a medal for poise, the way in which he calmly protected himself from deadly violence by the SJW.

    • Agree: Maddaugh
  60. Petermx says:
    @Jim Christian

    I wonder if the time might come when people can talk honestly about Black behavior; high rates of criminality, extreme violence, rape, a much greater tendency to cause trouble wherever they are? Right now they are treated like they are angels and all the trouble they bring on themselves is the fault of White “racists”. It would be so enjoyable to see a White speak frankly on all these issues on national television for once and put it on the line. He could say “Africa is a backwards hellhole because you populate it and you make the parts of the US a hellhole where you live”. That is harsh but I don’t know how we can change this bizarre narrative that Blacks are being kept down by Whites without some honesty.

    Another annoying one is Anna Navarro. She only hurts the perception of Hispanics. She is an immigrant from central America and disrespects Whites right to their faces on national TV. She is the immigrant but she shouts down people whose lineage in America goes back 300 years or longer and no one tells her to shut up. She is the expert. In one instance she’s whining again and I guess something happened that will benefit Hispanics in the US, or maybe its the massive illegal immigration that she is cheering and she says “Whites have been here for 300 years” and says its about time others get a chance. Similar to blacks, I wish someone would explain to her that the USA was a predominantly White country until its immigration law was changed to let people like her into the country. The 10% minority that lived in the US played a very minor role in defining the USA. The USA was a country founded by Europeans and with a European culture. Those people made the USA successful. Anna was born in Nicaragua, a backwards country. She should be asked if she believes there is something about the land in North America that makes the US so much better than Nicaragua and Latin America in general or are Europeans (including White Americans) just more advanced than the indigenous and mestizos that populate South America?

    I don’t know how else the narratives can be corrected as long as BLM and Anna Navarro are doing all the talking.

  61. Maddaugh says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Found the Fed, or or one of them.

    I dont understand what point you are trying to make !?

    If Rittenhouse had done that he’d definitely be convicted of murder,

    You are assuming a conviction before any trial takes place. You cannot possibly be a criminal lawyer or you would not make that statement. Convictions are decided in COURT and not on the supposition of people who look at too much TV

    the threat from Grosskreutz had been very neatly removed, and “the fourth guy” was genuinely surrendering rather than making perfidious (legal concept, at least in the laws of war) feigned surrender like Grosskreutz did

    .

    Again debatable to the benefit of Kyle. GrossK was still holding the gun albeit for a few seconds after his elbow git busted open. In fact it seemed to me that the shot to the elbow was a snap shot ! As for the fourth guy surrendering again in the heat of the moment that is debatable. If I remember my video, Kyle turned his back and walked away from this fellow. If #4 was armed and decided to rumble Kyle would have taken it in the back. I say again though in the heat of the moment two for GrossK and two for #4. With 4 attackers the action is generally over in seconds therefore there is little if any time to think. Training and reflex is the difference between ending up on one side of the line or the other ! You can do as you wish but I prefer to err on the life side.

    this advice would not only be politically disastrous for the rest of us,

    Well this is a matter of interpretation ! What is the choice when seconds count.Politically disastrous or physically disastrous ?? In any case you are using this incident as a blanket example for “the rest us”. That is nonsense.

    it only makes sense for Rittenhouse if he had perfect foreknowledge of the outcome of future legal battles, in which case he would had assuredly done something different that night.

    Contradictory to your prediction above ie “he would have definitely been convicted of murder”. You dont KNOW at the time of the action. All you KNOW at that point is you want to live !

    As it is, with the law, facts, and judge on his side, as of now he’s doing pretty well.

    So far !!! But you know it aint over till the Fat Lady sings.

  62. @Petermx

    Another annoying one is Anna Navarro. She only hurts the perception of Hispanics. She is an immigrant from central America and disrespects Whites right to their faces on national TV. She is the immigrant but she shouts down people whose lineage in America goes back 300 years or longer and no one tells her to shut up.

    Per Wikipedia she’s on CNN and ABC, the later is owned by Disney. You’re asking the Jews who pay her to be on those media outlets to tell her to shut it when it’s obvious she’s on them to spew her agitprop. If some Hispanics get hurt as a result, they and I doubt her care, that will only be used to further push the narrative of “white supremacists” of all colors, “domestic terrorists” and that “Republicans” are axiomatically a threat to our national security.

  63. Maddaugh says:
    @RobinG

    You are way too logical thinking for the Madd Dogg. Pearls before up-chuck. [Or did you mean Maddog is the BS spouting Fed provocateur?]

    Even if That Would be Telling ( an idiotic handle to begin with) were a high priced, experienced criminal lawyer and the most logical one at that what he asserts is sheer nonsense ! No trial hinges entirely on facts and evidence. As well, No one in the heat of the moment with 4 attackers on top of him thinks about the legal consequences or the law.

    You and That Would Be Telling need to ease up on the Perry Mason reruns. You are confusing Hollywood with reality in an area in which you are both completely ignorant.

    Your comment is also stupid.

    Nothing wrong with trying to troll Maddaugh and good luck with that. I do it sometimes just for fun but both your comments are sheer drivel. Stick with your night job moonlighting as a Tranny streetwalker and avoid discussions about the law ! Trying to be logical will cause you both to get severe headaches LOL.

  64. @Rob McX

    The right to a jury is above all a protection against getting railroaded by the state. In Europe, it had to be fought for long and hard
    (one of the major demands of the 1848 revolution), in the US it is usually circumvented through plea bargaining; like it or not, “jury nullification” is the way it is supposed to work.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  65. Maddaugh says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Bro, you are a dunce ! If your IQ were soubled you would be as smart as a worm. You made all sorts of stupid assumptions and statements which I refuted as being sheer rubbish and your riposte ? “TROLL”

    You are the one who claimed to be “logical”.

    LOL, when your Mother was pregnant with you her outside boyfriend must have damaged your brain pan with his Johnston. You should stay off this site. Your comments reflect a serious bovine stagnation more suitable for kindergarten playtime.

  66. Kyle Rittenhouse is a natural born operator.
    Knocked to the ground then surrounded and attacked still able to remain focused and deadly.
    Damn and he is just a boy.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  67. USA1943 says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    The last Bench Trial in a Racially Charged High Profile Case, I can think of was The Freddy Grey Case, The Judge Acquitted the 6 cops (Actually he acquitted 3-4 cops and the Prosecution gave up and dropped the charges on the remaining cops)

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  68. @Spender_CGB

    I’m glad he got what he asked for.

  69. @nokangaroos

    The right to a jury is above all a protection against getting railroaded by the state. […] like it or not, “jury nullification” is the way it is supposed to work.

    Back when I was young in what’s now deep Red state America, this would be 1970 plus or minus, we were actually taught this in the public school system! The subject was the 1734 libel case of John Peter Zenger who I now see was defended by no less than Andrew Hamilton (I suspect this doesn’t come up in the stage production…).

    In Europe, [the right to a jury trial] had to be fought for long and hard (one of the major demands of the 1848 revolution)

    Not surprised about the latter, and I’ll note that the history in Britain was pretty rough early on, the powerful did not like it when juries failed to deliver the correct verdict.

    Skimming the Wikipedia entry I see things like in Belgium that while serious crimes and libel have the protection of a jury, “racism” is excluded. “Most” German states indeed got it after 1848, but it was lost in 1924 which holds to this day (there are “lay judges” for some types of cases, but for the worst accusations they’re safely outnumbered by the state’s).

    Italy nullifies its lay judges by requiring mandatory explanations for verdicts to be written by “stipendiary” judges, and I’m sure some of us have heard about crazy they can be. Sounds like an extension of the saying “traduttore, traditore” which Wikipedia does not mention pertains to a time when in some parts of Italy legal matters had to be transcribed in a language other than the vernacular, so the common people were at the mercy of those who did that. Or so I’ve read from disreputable sources akin to Unz.com….

    In New Zealand of course “in exceptional circumstances a judge-alone trial may be ordered” for the most serious crimes. In no longer Soviet Russia “In 2008, the anti-state criminal cases (treason, espionage, armed rebellion, sabotage, mass riot, creating an illegal paramilitary group, forcible seizure of power, terrorism) were removed from the jurisdiction of the jury trial.”

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  70. “Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz”

    What happened, Rittenhouse didn’t kill Rosencrantz and Guildenstern as well?

    • LOL: Right_On
  71. @USA1943

    I suspect we can agree judges acquitting cops is a special case, although as I remember and just confirmed with a quick skim of Wikipedia a lot of the Freddy Grey case prosecutions were bogus, like the grand jury and whomever was steering them went after the cops who initially caught him vs. those who appeared to have caused his death after that. Which of course had the desired chilling effect on arresting blacks.

  72. @littlewing

    “Kyle Rittenhouse is a natural born operator.”

    Spooky isn’t it? Just like a highly trained special operative.

    Maybe just another hoax event involving a young man and a firearm.
    Adam Lanza
    Dylann Storm Roof
    Nikolas Cruz

  73. They are hiding all kinds of things about Rosenbaum.
    1. He is bipolar
    2. He was in a mental hospital and was just let out for attempting suicide.
    3. He sodomized 3 boys ages 9-12 plus 3 others from another time 2002.
    4. He was under an order “no contact’ with his girlfriend.
    5. Started 2 dumpster fires put out by others the last by Rittenhouse. Said “Shoot me Nigga” in the gas station over the dumpsters.
    Then tried to grab his gun.
    Only an insane person would vote to convict.
    Everyone who came after him had a either a gun or skateboard and tried to grab his gun.

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool
  74. @CauCasiAnn

    Underage hunting license is limited to hunting with an adult present.
    Similar to a learner’s permit for driving.
    I grew up in Minnesota with similar laws to Wisconsin.

    That’s the thing with the Kenosha project. Someone was there capturing video of Kyle moving with a firearm, with no adult supervision, and got the whole event.

    Kid ain’t right in the head. Underage, going solo, he’s a natural born killer.

    No store is worth his life. That’s what insurance is for. Unless he wasn’t worried about getting hurt.

    A street theater production.

    Where were his parents?
    Didn’t know that he had an illegally straw purchased firearm.
    Didn’t know where he was going when he left the house.
    His parents should have been charged.

  75. Michelle says:
    @usNthem

    Inner City Blacks are way too street smart to run up on someone carrying a gun. they scatter at the first, sight of, or sound of a weapon being fired in close proximity.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  76. @Michelle

    Inner City Blacks are way too street smart to run up on someone carrying a gun. they scatter at the first, sight of, or sound of a weapon being fired in close proximity.

    That’s not always true when they’re dedicated to the act of committing a crime, as were these three Jewish or white “victims” of Rittenhouse who were deadly serious about killing him. Modulo Rosenbaum who might have, or also have wanted to commit suicide by armed citizen, which as I’ve noted above is a thing like suicide by cop is.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  77. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Doom

    ADL, SPLC and alphabet are high value targets.

    Not so long ago, the ACLU had honor. It fought to not only let neo-Nazis march in public, but do so in Skokie, IL (home to many Holcausteers!)…in full uniforms while carrying swastika-festooned flags. It knew that banning speech/protest/assemblies just leads to war.

    Today? It’s devolved into the Anti-white Chosenite Leeching Untermenschen.

    Nearly all Dems/Reps are now “Israel Uber Alles” droids. They know nothing of history, willingly repeating Socialism’s horrors.

    Most Congressperps are weak, cucked weenies who “take knees” for Juden, the better to fellate Yahwehstan.

  78. Maddaugh says:

    RobinG is just another elementary school Nigger drop out anxious to hang out with the Whites on UR. Dont know what he is doing here but reading his comments …….whew…….too bad abortion is not retroactive. He would be an ideal candidate.

    He and Troof are battling for Jackass of the Year Award. One with one liner of drivel and the other with paragraphs of twaddle.

    Who will be number one ?? Its going to be close but I think Robin Red Breast will win by a whisker LOL

  79. Right_On says:

    Rittenhouse’s bail included the condition that he cannot associate with persons or groups known to be a threat to others based on race or religion.

    I trust the court provided Rittenhouse with a list of the groups and named individuals “known to be a threat” (what exactly does that even mean?) so he could figure out whom to avoid.

  80. Hibernian says:
    @USA1943

    Then you’re rolling the dice on one man, or woman, as the case may be. It’s not a panacea.

  81. Lagertha says:

    He will be declared innocent because the photographs/images/video show that this late-teen was fighting got his life. There was never a case against him – can not be proven.

    The court officials residing over this will be doomed (we know who you are). – the judges, and everyone, will be arrested because you have all wasted public time, attention, and more importantly, money, on an unwinnable and false (non-Constitutional) case for 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Slit your throats now….we are coming for you – Black Flags. No fucking deals – you are done. I so hate these shitty, phony Americans….they need to suffer – their children will suffer for their lies and innuendo and pedo shit.

  82. Richard B says:
    @schnellandine

    The real point of this trial is that the hostile elite can do whatever they want.

    They could find him guilty of murder and given him the death penalty even though Wisconsin doesn’t have it. And what are you going to do Mr. Concerned Citizen?

    Would anyone put it past them?

    At this point, it would be crazy for them not to do that. Because, if they did it would be a crushing blow exactly because those who do care are powerless to respond. Except maybe in the case of some lone wolf who loses it and goes postal.

    Aside from that most people have long since given up and are ready for some long-term and highly aggressive bootlicking. That is until the boot finally stomps them to death.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  83. Rittenhouse’s best bet is he didn’t kill a Negro. Still, he killed a Jew, and THAT counts a lot.

    It’s really about who/whom.

    Neo-religiosity defines so much of ‘wokeness’ and its irrational responses to events. It’s about praying and hoping for Black Nobility because blacks are holy and can’t be blamed for anything, EVEN WHEN THEY DO BAD.
    How is this like religious thinking? Because gods can’t be blamed. Given that gods are more powerful than humans, if something goes wrong, then it’s only natural to place most of the blame on the gods… but that isn’t allowed because gods are holy, and it isn’t the place for humans to blame the gods. So, even when gods do bad, they must be revered, and all that humans can do is pray that gods will act justly.

    Likewise, because PC and ‘wokery’ don’t allow us to judge blacks(who are deemed holy), what else is there but prayer and hope that Negroes will be noble and just?

    The ones killed by Rittenhouse were deeply into Negrolatry. Blacks ruin cities and murder people, but these moron whites riot and commit mayhem in the name of justice for blacks. But it’s less about justice than worship. They worship blackness and believe all must kneel before the Holy Negro.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  84. RobinG says:
    @dindunuffins

    White on White…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl

    White threat…as seen here…
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/our-boy-kyle-should-have-just-gone-to-mexico-hes-gonna-be-crucified/
    “Potland trans #antifa member Andrea Lane Mun, formerly known as Jacob Andrew Camello, promises mass political violence if Kyle Rittenhouse isn’t convicted. Andrea was charged with multiple violent felonies in April but the case was dismissed. https://archive.md/tKho4”

  85. JimDandy says:
    @USA1943

    The Chauvin judge was clearly an owned pussy slave. Kyle’s judge, maybe not.

  86. @Richard B

    That’s some Grade A demoralization.

    The parties have names and addresses, which at this point are pasted all over the internet. They’re hated now, with cause. That hate will glow incandescent if Rittenhouse does a day in prison.

    Some nutter going postal is always a background threat. But the real threat is one of the million or so operators who might volunteer as Karmic Agent, strike, and fade into the woods like a cat.

    Similar dynamics exist, in their schizotypal way, among those sitting on the wrong side of the courtroom. Could be the hapless prosecutors have signed themselves up for John Brown duty.

  87. @SaneClownPosse

    My comment was about the mindset of the jury being from Wisconsin. Other than that, I don’t give a shit about him being 17 and owning a firearm. What kind of fags are you?

    • LOL: schnellandine
  88. @Priss Factor

    I’ve seen no evidence despite their names that Rosembaum, Huber or Grosskreutz were jews. Rosenbaum is almost certainly not a jew, dig the phyzz.

    Though he was a midget, which raises the index of suspicion above the 50:1 baseline.

    Did you see Huber’s Holstein aunt on the stand? No jewess, not even Andrea Dworkin, presents as such a bang-on 10-tit ungulate stand in as that, to mix metaphors, pig. Huber itself is maybe a 1-2/10 hit on the jewdar.

    The duly disarmed Grosskreutz is the only mix-breed maybe.

    His beard covers much of his lower face. So no info there. He lacks a prominent nasolabial fold. The nose has no sagittal convexity (merchant hook). The only weak indicia are the Norwood 2 hairline recession in a late 20s male and the dark pupils.

    Jack D pointed out that the name means “great cross”. Without further info, I would lay 30:1 against Grosskreutz being a jew.

  89. @SaneClownPosse

    Kyle is exemplary of the type that builds civilization.

    Your post, not addressing its errors, is exemplary of the type that hides on the outskirts and watches it burn.

    • Thanks: Alden
  90. @Priss Factor

    The Jews pushed out the Italians. See Las Vegas, payday loans, inter alia. Now the Jewish Mafia is hegemon.

    None of the parties in the KR trial are Jews. They are far worse, traitors.

  91. @mike99588

    “That’s still overcharging.”

    The \$200.00 fine would merely be a slap on the wrist to remind the young man that something very terrible did happen that unfortunate night and it would hardly be called punishment for a serious injury and two deaths. Let’s not be greedy.

    • Disagree: schnellandine
  92. Why do whites kill one another over some black ghetto bullshit?

    I was 18 in 1992 during the LA Riots & white Gen X just said “Oh well, the blacks are rioting again”.

    Why did Kyle want to get involved, or Rosenbaum?

    BTW, why aren’t black people lamenting the deaths of Huber or Rosenbaum as SJW’s since they died protesting as part of BLM?

    Why hasn’t a single black commented?

    • Agree: Alden
  93. kevinH says:

    It really doesn’t matter what happens in the State trial. If Kyle is correctly aquitted on self defense grounds, the evil DOJ will charge him with civil rights violations. He is going to be sentenced to prison one way or the other. He will be a political prisoner, just like the J6 protesters.

    • Replies: @Alden
  94. KenH says:
    @follyofwar

    Lin Wood seems to have lost his mind. It’s kind of sad since I used to respect what he did for people like Richard Jewell, the Covington Kids and others.

    Even though I lost some respect for Barnes after his taking personal shots at Fuentes he did seem to be working very hard and for the best interests of Kyle and tried to help assemble a ‘dream team” of attorneys and experts that would ensure a not guilty verdict. But Mark Richards and Kyle’s representatives recently put Barnes and the rest of this team out in the cold so I think Barnes was rightfully alarmed by this turn of events.

    Time will tell if this inexplicable move by Richards helps, hurts or has no effect on Kyle’s defense.

    If Kyle had ever uttered pro-white sentiment on social media then no prominent individuals would have come to his defense and he’d be stuck with a public defender and likely facing a long prison sentence. Pro-whites are the only people in America who can be completely cancelled and destroyed and who are deemed guilty and never innocent.

  95. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wake Up

    Actually, the world needs a lot less of both kinds… the whitevil supremacist faggots (look at that ugly little mofer), and the judenscum.

    The little mofer would be lucky to be found guilty. It would be easier as a “martyr” to go on to become a whitevil nationalist politician, etc. Make a killing over time, in so many ways. He has already learned the required experience so early in life. He will go far, into the depths of Hell. 😀

  96. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    This kind of barbaric gun violence is very strange in the society I come from. So, I do take it to heart what they portray in movies… you know, how taking a life corrupts the human soul (recently saw, Run All Night).

    This little whitevil supremacist faggot doesn’t appear to have a soul. Look into those dead eyes, the eyes of a typical psychopath, which given his “colour,” or lack thereof, is totally true to form. Basically, a bastard spawn of an evil bloodthirsty society, a Whitevil Christian society.

    The little vermin, with the help of his sister’s pimp, chose to put himself in a situation where he was clearly itching to take another life, and live out his psychopathic wet dreams. In the process, he was also hoping to earn a few dollars (eking out a living from a pajeet, no less, rofl!) to sustain his worthless loser existence.

    Incredible!

    The “Great” Satan is simply running on its past momentum. It surely can’t be because of soul-diseased faggots/whores like these, almost 70~100mil of them, including all the murder apologist scum who lurk around here. 😀

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @GeneralRipper
  97. geokat62 says:
    @anonymous

    Basically, a bastard spawn of an evil bloodthirsty society, a Whitevil Christian society.

    Deborah Lipstadt is that you?

  98. Does BLM really represent the black community? I say it doesn’t. It is nothing but an AstroTurf movement created to attack Donald Trump. That is all.

  99. GeneralRipper [AKA "J.S. Tomlin"] says:
    @anonymous

    You just mad cuz Kyle bagged (((Jojo Rosenbaum.)))

    This one goes out to Jojo.

    Of course I doubt he can hear it, while he’s being sodomized by demons in Hell…lol

  100. @Rob McX

    You are quite correct of course. In fact way more that that. If Rittenhouse had been black he would already be swimming in book contracts by now. Ghost written books like:

    “Kaboom! How I defended myself and my community and my rights and shit, and fought them honkey ass racist MFs and stuff! (You’ll get a lot of bling for a million dollar book contract, you see..)

    And in a few years, he would die flat broke with mortgages and child support unpaid, but a real hero in the streets around his re-possessed house. End of story.

  101. @usNthem

    Or shot a black…

    Nah, nothing to see here folks, just keep moving. But don’t crash that wide-screen yo’ got in that store, then we gotta’ go back for another one…

  102. anarchyst says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Your statement: /”inner City Blacks are way too street smart to run up on someone carrying a gun. they scatter at the first, sight of, or sound of a weapon being fired in close proximity.”/ …quite often is not always the case.
    In fact, blacks like to show their prowess by “getting in people’s faces” even when there is a chance of that person fighting back.
    Observe “jogger” Amaud Arbery who was casing construction sites for tools and other items to steal. Arbery ran toward the people who were questioning his presence and attempted to grab the shotgun from one of the white men. Arbery could have run off in any other direction to avoid the white men, but it is Arbery who caused the confrontation by attempting to take the shotgun away from the white man. Stupid move on Arbery’s part…
    Of course, the white men are already demonized by the “mainstream media” and will be railroaded by the so-called “justice system”.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @starthorn
  103. @anarchyst

    attempting to take the shotgun away from the white man. Stupid move on Arbery’s part…

    So Arbery was a problem solver.

  104. @Spender_CGB

    The green things in his ears lets you know he is a child rapist.

  105. @kerdasi amaq

    BLM is run by Susan Rosenberg, at least the cash donation end of it.
    No way Rosenbaum isn’t Jewish, haha
    both his parents are lawyers in Arizona where he was convicted of sodomizing BOYS.
    They got that stricken from the record.
    All 3 of these guys were Jews expt one big black guy who tried to stomp him, oh wait a minute maybe is a black hebrew Israelite. Now they think they are the original Chinese too.
    Ran away when Rittenhouse shot while on the ground. “Oops…….Operator”

  106. snag says:
    @kerdasi amaq

    They’re a naive suckers manipulated by Marxists like Susan Rosenberg who’s is a convicted terrorist who has sat on the board of directors of Thousand Currents, an organization which handles fundraising for the Black Lives Matter Global Network.

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
  107. Alden says:
    @snag

    Doesn’t Rosenberg send the BLM funds directly to the Democrat central committee in Washington?

    • Replies: @littlewing
  108. Alden says:
    @nokangaroos

    Ummm I believe Wisconsin Penal Code 2nd degree murder definition is more important. Consider the Chicago projects invasions of the last 60 years Its probable that the homicide laws and procedures have become more and more lenient over the years. I believe Milwaukee is about 45 percent black and on its way to becoming another Sr Louis.

    But Rittenhouse is White.

  109. @kerdasi amaq

    [BLM] is nothing but an AstroTurf movement created to attack Donald Trump. That is all.

    “We Wuz Time Machine Inventors.” Maybe it was astroturfed in 2020 and the lead up to it, but it goes back to 2013, was dismantling cities long before 2016.

  110. Alden says:
    @kevinH

    Right. Remember the cops that subdued drug crazed Rodney King to arrest him. Not even badly hurt. In the ER for a couple of hours. Most of which involved waiting for medical attention. Acquitted in the first trial. Then the feds got them. There’s an 800 number 24/7 manned by a real person in the DOJ All the black preachers and activists have it. Plus their websites.

    Kyle a White man who did what Whites should have been doing for the last 75 years. James Field, Chauvin, all the White martyrs and victims of black on White crime and destroyed great cities.
    We contributed to his defense fund.

  111. anon[676] • Disclaimer says:
    @schnellandine

    “but these are the arguments that testimony is expected to flesh out. ”
    Didn’t see it at the time but that is a very acute observation.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  112. Alden says:
    @Franz

    Teen boys can do amazing things.
    Edward 4 of England . Became a general at 16 and won the battles of Mortimer’s cross and Towton at 18 and overthrew Henry 6 and Queen Margaret at 18. Well , almost 19. Chisum trail the first drive was carried out by a 14 year old his father considered capable And he was. Kit Carson, Prince Rupert lots of powerful men began their careers in their teens. The first Hershey began as a teen. The original John Rockefeller started his career at 14 in a family commodities brokerage.

    Johnny Tremain and Rebecca’s war were favorite books when I was a kid.

    • Thanks: Franz
    • Replies: @Alden
  113. @anon

    Thanks. Dunno about acute, but the artifice of publishing is often stunningly apparent. Saw it from the inside long ago, and never recovered.

  114. @Just another serf

    Explanation is simple, if you’re not gutless.

    The genocidal Jewish Establishment has captured all three branches of government and they are hellbent on exterminating Whites.

    • Agree: Alden, acementhead
  115. starthorn says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    “Wakandian King” made me lose my coffee through my nose.

  116. starthorn says:
    @anarchyst

    Arberey thought all middle aged white men were cowards and cucks and they’d surrender when he went full African on them. He effed around and found out.

    • Agree: Alden
  117. geokat62 says:

    Gab comment posted by Eighth Century Woodchipper:

    The more I watch of the Rittenhouse trial, the stronger my conviction that he is a really good kid becomes, and the idea that these monsters are prosecuting him (and not the now-bicep-less communist cell leader who tried to execute him point blank) makes me sick.

    https://gab.com/BonifaceOption/posts/107249209063896031

  118. Alden says:
    @Alden

    Two more young teens. Mark Twain ran away from home at 14. Somehow found the \$500 to apprentice himself to a Mississippi Missouri River boat pilot. Became a master pilot while still a teen. On that river one of the most difficult waterways to pilot on earth. Partly because it changes monthly. Then went on to become a best selling author. I’m sure his works will soon be banned from every library in America because he was a White man. And anti Semitic . Because in Life on the Mississippi 1880 he wrote about Jewish store owners cheating and Shylocking their black customers.

    Louis Vuitton . Parents farmers. Not starving oppressed peasants. Middle class. But there was a wicked step mother unsympathetic father problem . Ran away at 12. He had no money to buy an apprenticeship in a well paid occupation. So he did room and board apprenticeships. A tanner learned how to make leather. Did simple leather work. Learned a bit about metal work. Buckles and simple locks.

    Went to work in a trunk and suit case factory. In those days suitcases leather and sturdy fabric. Trunks wood covered with leather and sturdy fabric. But in hot humid climates leather and fabric rotted and mildewed.

    So Louis who by then had a big shop decided to use mildew proof canvas stiffened with layers of glue. His luggage took off with all those rich people traveling from S America to Europe Europe to India China French Indonesia.

    Now Vuitton is a multi billion dollar company.

    Look in your own 19th even early 20th century family. You’ll probably find some macho Rittenhouse boys.

    Husband’s gr gr gr great grand father. Interesting story of what teens can do. Boston 1846. Teen brother and sister , her 13 him 16 were orphans. There was no money and no relatives to help them. Their future was her being a maid. His an unskilled day laborer.

    So they converted to Mormonism because it was the only way people without a wagon, oxen horses mules equipment and grown men to join a wagon train.

    But the Mormons knew exactly what was going on with these false converts. So the brother and sister got a free ride on a Mormon wagon train. But the train was closely guarded to keep them from stopping in Nebraska or splitting north to head to Oregon.

    So the kids plotted and waited and managed to get away with a stolen string of horses to sell. They made it to San Francisco just in time for the Gold Rush. Through the moon scape of western Utah.

    Jamestown settlers. 20 gentlemen good for fighting the Indians but nor for building or much farming. Except gentleman John Rolfe tobacco farmer and breeder of tobacco. 4 crafts men blacksmith mason a carpenter and another trade. And several boys. Not apprentices who would be somewhat protected employees. Just boys of all work.

    For most of human history 12 to 25 year old men have been the most important demographic.

  119. @Petermx

    Forget narratives. What you need is distance. The U.S. is fractured, it’s now only a land mass with a fractured population, so there’s nothing to do but find your place and forget all others. Oh, by all means, enjoy the decline, but with a sense of detachment. Don’t get too sentimental over the breakup. Once the legislative depravity of 1964 and 1965 took place, the only question was how long the breakup would take. The so-called ‘greatest’ generation sold out their children, then each generation since doubled down.

    It’s over.

    • Replies: @Alden
  120. Alden says:
    @Jim Christian

    Why is it that the MEN OF UNZ are totally unaware of the worst law ever passedin America. The law that made it illegal to hire White men ? Do you and the other MEN OF UNZ even know what that law is? I doubt it. Do the MEN OF UNZ know the effects of that law???

    Hint; that law is the one and only reason why the millennial men you all sneer at can’t get jobs and careers, will never entire adult life, don’t have children because they can’t afford to support them and why many are homeless.

    But no. The MEN OF UNZ prefer to blame White men under 40’s problems on their tattoos and hair styles. Not the law that made it illegal to employ White men.

    White men could have held their own with the effects of the 1964 and 1964 laws. But the 1968 law, the law the MEN OF UNZ are totally ignorant of; was the law that destroyed White men.

    • Replies: @USA1943
    , @Jim Christian
  121. USA1943 says:
    @Alden

    Very interested to know? What, How and Why?

  122. On the leftist forums, they are making it clear that they want this white kid in the electric chair. Despite all the clear evidence that he was defending himself in each case, it’s not good enough for them.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  123. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    On the leftist forums, they are making it clear that they want this white kid in the electric chair. Despite all the clear evidence….

    Your profound misunderstanding of the modern Left is doing you and yours and us no good at all.

    The evidence doesn’t matter, it never matters. All that matters is the current Party Line (which in this context of a holiness spiral is a mess, but that’s for another discussion). It’s now pure “Who, Whom?” Who is going to do what to whom purely based on power?

    One of the best essays I’ve come across to explain this is “Leninthink.”

  124. @Alden

    Whats the law? I don’t blame youth. I blame my father’s generation. The damage was done when I was 6 and 7. By the time I got back from the military in 84, the destruction was in full swing. My father’s generation cost. Cost a lot.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  125. anarchyst says:
    @Jim Christian

    Actually it goes back to the “greatest generation” who foisted the unconstitutional “civil-rights (for some)” and “affirmative action (for some)” laws on us. We were still too young to put up a fuss. Those of us who did were met with federal troops sent there by those of the “greatest generation”. To paraphrase billy joel, “We didn’t start the fire”…

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  126. A picture of Bernie Sanders and Charles Schumer had a heading underneath that said,”Why are democrats pushing to give the rich a new tax break? I thought about it and all I could come up with is that it would relieve Sanders of paying more taxes on his lakeside homes. Good capitalist/communist.

    What does this have to do with the above story? Absolutely nothing, other than highlighting the kind of people who want to burn Rittenhouse.

  127. @mike99588

    Got a link to back up that claim?

    The tactics utilized in the mob assault on Rittenhouse by the BLM/ antifa terrorists are interesting. Rosenbaum is clearly out of control — ranting, threatening everyone in sight. Seemed pretty determined to kill or die that night.

    If you look at Rosenbaum’s past, the relevant part of his criminal history in terms of explaining his behavior on the night of the BLM/ antifa riots is not so much the kiddie-raping, but the history of 40+ administrative infractions while incarcerated — many of them involving assaults on guards. Clearly a low impulse control, violent guy. [If you’re imprisoned for child molesting, it’s probably not a great idea to piss off the guards: “Psst — you know that puto Rosenbaum over there? You know what he’s in here for?”]

    Apparently Rosenbaum had a history of bipolar disorder. People tend to think of the manic [“up”] phase as super-happy, full of energy, hypersexual, etc. — but it can manifest as rage, too. And if you add meth or cocaine to that…

    But Joshua Ziminski — what was his intent in firing that shot? It’s clearly not, by any stretch of the imagination, self-defense — he’s careful to steer clear of direct confrontation, waits until the target of the mob assault is running away with the out-of-control Rosenbaum chasing him, and then fires. What, he was celebrating the New Year?

    Clearly, there are only 2 possibilities here:

    1. Ziminski was attempting to murder Rittenhouse, hoping for a lucky shot at long range at zero risk to himself, or

    2. He was hoping to trigger a scenario similar to what actually happened — Rittenhouse heard the shot and turned to evaluate the threat, allowing Rosenbaum to catch up to him. At that point, the outcome would either be:
    – Rosenbaum grabs the weapon and murders Rittenhouse, or
    – Rittenhouse defends himself against Rosenbaum’s crazed assault, “justifying” the further attacks on Rittenhouse by the semitic supremacist street gang.

    Or perhaps a combination of the two? Either way, Ziminski comes across as pretty Machiavellian/ cold-blooded, while Rosenbaum is just chaotic evil.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Replies: @mike99588
  128. Ziminski comes across as pretty Machiavellian/ cold-blooded, while Rosenbaum is just chaotic evil.

    Rittenhouse testified that, shortly before Rosenbaum’s ill-fated attack, he overheard Joshua Ziminski order Rosenbaum to “Get him [Rittenhouse] and kill him.”

    Given Rittenhouse’s legal situation, that’s not necessarily probative, of course. But it’s… interesting, especially given the overall pattern of Ziminski’s behavior. Not only did he fire the first shot at Rittenhouse and (possibly) order Rosenbaum to attack him, but if you watch the FBI video taken from the surveillance plane that was tracking the “progress” of their BLM/ antifa assets — and that was deliberately and illegally hidden from the defense for many months — what happens immediately after Rosenbaum’s attack results in his own death?

    Joshua Ziminski and his wife Kelly stroll calmly away, without a care in the world, while the rest of the mob of hate-crazed anti-White terrorists pursue their intended victim.

    And Ziminski claims that, shortly after the riot, his weapon was somehow “lost” or “stolen” or “fell into the lake while fishing” or some similarly-likely story…

    • Replies: @RobinG
  129. RobinG says:
    @James Forrestal

    Joshua Ziminski and his wife Kelly stroll calmly away, without a care in the world, while the rest of the mob of hate-crazed anti-White terrorists pursue their intended victim.

    Calm, okay, but hardly ” without a care in the world.” They were neither crazed nor innocent. They knew he was involved in the killing, so better lie low and get rid of the gun.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  130. @follyofwar

    Mark Richards, per his website, has been a criminal defense attorney for 30 years, taking on all kinds of cases. He is not a public defender, as was the case with the lawyer(s) in the Fields trial, who didn’t put up much of a defense in that kangaroo court.

    That’s putting it mildly. More like Fields’ “defense attorney” actively collaborated with the persecution to throw her client under the bus. Though strictly speaking, she wasn’t a full-time public defender. The public defenders office was (appropriately) judged to have an obvious conflict of interest, as its staff had multiple antifa connections. Fields was originally assigned an attorney named Charles Weber by the court.

    A couple of days later, Judge Robert H. Downer Jr. decided that Weber had a “conflict of interest” which precluded his serving as Fields’ defense attorney. What was this alleged “conflict of interest?” Weber was involved in a lawsuit to protect Civil War monuments against mindless, hate-filled anti-White vandals. That’s not a “conflict of interest,” of course — it’s a convergence of interests. Apparently the judge suspected that Weber might actually mount an effective defense for Fields, which was apparently something to be avoided at all costs.

    Denise Lunsford was appointed as Weber’s replacement. She’s a former Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney (DA). Charlottesville is located in Albemarle County. Lunsford was voted out of office a couple of years before the Fields trial — partly due to some sort of sordid sex scandal, but mostly due to blatant prosecutorial misconduct (she deliberately framed an innocent man):

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/william-l-anderson/when-prosecutors-lie-and-judges-collude/

    Yeah, but that’s Lew Rockwell, right? Maybe those Mises Institute libertarians just hate Lunford because she’s a liberal Democrat? Slate:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/07/mark_weiner_conviction_vacated_chelsea_steiniger_text_case_finally_overturned.html

    The prosecutor, Nina-Alice Antony, is a good friend of Jeff Fogel, one of the primary organizers of the BLM/ antifa attack on the peaceful protesters in Charlottesville. Fogel works for the (((National Lawyers Guild))), the legal defense/ lawfare arm of antifa:
    https://www.nlg.org/legal-support-for-anti-fascist-action/

    Needless to say, this relationship was not viewed as a conflict of interest.

    Did I mention that Antony is the proud recipient of the so-called “Shield Award” from the notorious semitic supremacist hate group “ADL?” What a surprise.

    There’s another layer to it, though. Not just the reality, but the media narrative of the two trials is markedly different. The Fields trial got mostly local coverage while it was ongoing, and then brief national coverage to trumpet the verdict and the sentence — very similar to the current trial of the Georgia men who were forced to shoot Armed Robbery when he attacked them. There was zero video coverage of the trial. The Rittenhouse trial, however, has been heavily covered in near-real time by the major narrative promotion agencies, and video favorable to the defense has not only been allowed out, and not censored from social media, but promoted to a certain degree by “conservative” media.

    So obviously the role that the “criminal” trial plays in the two narratives is strikingly different. For Fields, the goal was just to get him convicted and locked away, but for Rittenhouse, the trial itself plays an important role in the “news” media narrative for some reason…

  131. @RobinG

    Well sure — “without a care in the world” is deliberate hyperbole. Not by much, though. Ziminski set up the whole thing, and what happened? He was charged with some kind of misdemeanor, and got out on \$1000 bail. He’ll be fine — just as planned. All in a day’s work for a career criminal like him.

    I just threw it in there to emphasize the obvious difference in mindset between the Ziminskis and, not only an obvious crazy like Rosenbaum, but most of the other antifags on scene, who clearly cared deeply about killing Rittenhouse, given the way the mob chased after Rittenhouse with obvious homicidal intent.

    It’s evident from his actions that Ziminski was operating according to some kind of plan, while a lot of the other people on the scene were in “fight or flight” [or mob] mode. Once he set his plan in motion, Ziminski mostly cared about getting away unobtrusively, while most of the others cared about attacking Rittenhouse.

    • Agree: mike99588, acementhead
    • Replies: @RobinG
  132. mike99588 says:
    @James Forrestal

    The gun I’m talking about up in the air is Ziminski’s when Z fires.
    Not Rittenhouse’s imagined provocation made up by Binger.

    We’re on the same page.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  133. RobinG says:
    @mike99588

    … provocation made up by Binger.

    He’s a devil. I hope the jury can see thru him.

  134. TimothyS says:
    @follyofwar

    But he may not get totally off the hook, as he was a 17 y/o minor illegally in possession of a firearm.

    It turns out that is incorrect. It is not illegal for a minor to possess a rifle or shotgun in public and that charge was thrown out.

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