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This is adapted from remarks given at the 18th American Renaissance conference on November 13, 2021.

Even before I begin, I imagine most of you have probably sensed at one time or another that envy does play such a role in race relations. Many writers have alluded to it in passing, but I have never come across a thematic discussion. There is a tendency among our people to underestimate the importance of envy because Western civilization has been unusually successful in overcoming its effects, for reasons I will go into later. Today we are witnessing the collapse of this earlier resistance.

Envy is a negative feeling aroused by noticing an advantage enjoyed by someone else. Sometimes unfavorable comparisons of this kind motivate people to try to get a similar advantage for themselves. In that case, the result is emulation, not envy. The envious man dwells on his perceived inferiority, which humiliates him and often arouses a sense of impotence or self-pity. The differences in status that provoke such feelings need not be great. In fact, truly enormous differences such as between a peasant and a king tend not to arouse envy, because the peasant has a hard time even imagining himself in the king’s place. Invidious comparisons arise most easily among relative peers.

Envy is also distinct from any desire to possess the advantage in question. Very often, it is aroused by advantages which by their very nature cannot be transferred from one person to another, or by things that would be of no benefit to the envious man if he did come into their possession. So, it is not a form of covetousness. An envious man with a broken leg does not so much want to be whole again as to see everyone else break their legs. His concern is not primarily with his leg per se, but with a sense of inferiority in comparison with others, which he would like to avenge upon others. This is one reason schemes for redistributing wealth do not solve the problem of envy. A person with an envious disposition tends to see whatever confirms his envy, and he can always find new inequalities to focus on once one has been removed.

This essentially futile character of envy, its lack of constructive purpose, has traditionally caused it to be considered an especially shameful fault. Few people are prepared to admit to serious feelings of envy. Occasionally one may hear people say “I envy you” in relation to some small advantage, but the speaker does not mean he would rather see his friend lose the advantage or come to grief. Real envy is a serious matter. Crimes, including murder, have been motivated by it. People are therefore reluctant to admit, even to themselves, that they are envious. The fault often is disguised, for example, as righteous indignation or a zeal for justice.

To study envy and its effects, we would naturally want to look at some especially envy-ridden societies. Many of these turn out, not coincidentally, to be among the most primitive known to anthropology. In his book Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior, the German scholar Helmut Schoeck has studied the ethnographic literature. A study of the Jivaro Indians of the western Amazon, for example, describes a difficult boat trip up a flooded river amid rains that had gone on for weeks. When the crew finally reaches its destination, one man says he will perform the magical rites necessary to make the rains continue “so that other travelers would have the same difficulties as we had.”

Helmut Schoeck
Helmut Schoeck

The ethnographer who reported this says that it is no isolated case: “When the Indians try to produce rain by magical means they nearly always do so merely out of wickedness, that is, to cause their fellow tribesmen harm or annoyance,” rather than to make crops grow, for instance. In the story cited, the object of envy was not even any definite person, but a hypothetical class of possible future travelers. This is an unusually clear example of envious behavior since the man could not benefit in any way from the difficulties he proposed to create for others. His own hardship was in the past. But the memory of it caused him to begrudge others an easier time of it.

My favorite ethnographic account, however, is of the Siriono Indians of Eastern Bolivia. When a Siriono hunter manages to kill an animal, he dare not be seen bringing it back the village. He finds a hiding place for it and returns to the group feigning dejection over his supposedly unsuccessful hunt. Only after dark does he return to retrieve and eat the meat. This is because any Siriono bold enough to eat in broad daylight usually finds himself surrounded by a small crowd of hungry fellow-villagers staring enviously at him. Most Siriono in such a situation do not share their food, and the staring bothers them. Siriono are constantly accusing one another of stealing food, which is another reason to keep anything edible hidden. This in turn leads to accusations of hoarding, and the tribe has found no way out of these sentiments.

As we see from this example, envy is harmful not only (or even mainly) to the envious man himself, but also to its object, the successful man, even where “success” means only having gotten food. Life in envy-ridden societies is haunted by a fear of arousing envy in others. The Siriono practice of hiding food is a form of envy-avoidance, and it is costly. The tribe is unlikely ever to become prosperous, for no one has discovered how to raise prosperity simultaneously for everyone. Someone always has to prosper first, and this leads to envy.

Schoeck even found examples of tribes without any concept of personal success or achievement at all. Anyone who prospers is thought to have done so at the expense of someone else. In order to justify this view, goods of which the supply is not limited are treated as if they were scarce. Among the Dobu Islanders of Melanesia, any man who farms more yams than his neighbors is accused of having stolen them, usually through black magic. People will not admit the possibility that a man might be eating better than his neighbor because he has put in more honest work tilling his yam field. All prosperity is caused by the deprivation of others. The result, of course, is a general fear of good crops, and an entire society is kept at the level of bare subsistence.

“Chief Gaganamole and his wife on Dobu at the turn of the 20th century.” (Source)
“Chief Gaganamole and his wife on Dobu at the turn of the 20th century.” (Source)

In the West, a man lacking an advantage he finds in his neighbor may console himself with the thought that the unequal distribution is the effect of mere luck, an impersonal force for which no one is responsible. But we find that envy-ridden primitive tribes sometimes lack any concept of luck. In such a society, anyone who suffers a misfortune automatically attributes it to black magic on the part of someone who envies him. There even exist peoples with no concept of natural death. All deaths, however elderly the person, are ascribed to malicious magic. If an outbreak of some disease kills certain tribesmen and not others, the explanation is that the survivors practiced witchcraft. At the root of all such beliefs is the incorrect assumption that one man’s gain must mean some other man’s loss, as if there were a fixed amount of success or prosperity in the world, which can only be distributed in varying amounts.

People in these simple societies think it is somehow normal for everyone’s situation to be identical, even though reality never matches this expectation. Since they do not understand the real causes of inequalities, they explain all deviations from it by assuming the use of magic. The man with less is thought to practice magic out of envy, but the man with more is assumed to have gotten it through magic of his own.

Envy avoidance takes many forms, sometimes including concealment not only of prosperity but even of any striving for it, through work, for example. Schoeck cites the Lovedu of Southern Africa. If one passes a field where Lovedu are working and calls out “working hard, eh?” they respond: “We’re hardly working!” Conspicuous hard work might provoke envy of the wealth others suspect might result. The Lovedu avoid all competition. In their language, the word for good or virtuous is supposedly identical to the word for slow. When the Lovedu pray to their ancestors for help or favor, they add the qualifier: “but only in the same measure as others.”

Among some primitive peoples, the successful man averts envy by apparent generosity. Some Polynesian fishermen prefer to give away the only fish they have caught all day rather than run the risk that a man who failed to catch any fish will go about saying: “That fish he caught, he did not give it to me but kept it for himself.” This preemptive generosity is called “the blocking of envy.” Unfortunately, such appeasement does not always work. An envious man may view his benefactor as an enemy.

Perhaps some of you have run into people incapable of accepting even small favors. They resent the idea of being under an obligation. This is because the ability to bestow a benefit is a kind of superiority, and can arouse feelings of humiliation in the beneficiary. The more sincere the generosity, the clearer the benefactor’s superiority. For this reason, it has often been observed that the better an envious man is treated, the worse he gets. Even raising him to one’s own level may not solve the problem, for any equality so established is artificial and the beneficiary can never rid himself of the memory that it resulted from charity.

Sometimes resentment and suspicion of benefactors can be found on a mass scale. Following the Second World War, the Marshall Plan was viewed with extreme skepticism in parts of Europe. If Americans were helping rebuild their ruined countries, people reasoned, it could only be part of a cunning plot to distract public attention from another and larger flow of wealth out of Europe and towards America itself. Such people often admitted that they had not yet been able to uncover the precise workings of the swindle, but a swindle there had to be. No one could possibly be trying to benefit them merely for the sake of benefitting them.

According to Schoeck, such attitudes are common in Latin America. One study of lower-class village life in Mexico found that “doing favors is rare and creates suspicion.” When children impulsively show kindness to outsiders, their parents “correct” this misbehavior. Doing favors is associated with more educated people who, it is assumed, do them in order to get favors in return.

During the 1960s and 70s, Latin Americans developed an influential body of economic thought called “dependency theory.” It is out of fashion now for good reason: Predictions based upon it have been falsified, and there is too much it cannot explain. But it is a wonderful example of the kind of thinking Schoeck found among primitive tribes translated into more sophisticated language. According to dependency theory, Western prosperity causes poverty in the rest of the world. The West controls the terms of international trade, locking up the market for technology and sophisticated manufactured goods while forcing everyone else to supply them with raw materials, thus condemning them to perpetual backwardness.

There was an obvious racial aspect to dependency theory, or at least to its popularity in the third world, with the white man like the well-fed Dobu islander who must have spirited his extra yams out of other men’s gardens. Whether Melanesian headhunter or third world economist, the constant claim of the envious man is that the advantages enjoyed by others were got unfairly and at their expense.

The downfall of dependency theory among serious economists, by the way, was its inability to explain the rise of East Asian countries, most of which started out with fewer natural resources than Latin America. The case is exactly analogous to the inability of our opponents to explain why the “white supremacists” who supposedly designed IQ tests should have done so in a way that lets Asians outscore whites.

Envy has long blinded men to the real causes of economic prosperity, which include intelligence, hard work, a future orientation, and an ability to calculate risk and defer gratification. To these, Helmut Schoeck’s review of the literature allows us to add another: the possibility of disregarding envy, whether because it is not prevalent in one’s society or because one is bold enough to defy it.

Schoeck mentions an awareness of this among the Tiv people of northern Nigeria. Most better-off Tiv disperse their wealth among their dependents and kinsmen, or by paying for elaborate religious sacrifices. But a few men capitalize on their wealth to get even more. They are not intimidated by the possible envy of others. Such men are said to have “strong hearts,” and are both respected and feared.

“Cultural dressing of the Tiv indigenous people of Nigeria.” Tzb8060, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons.
“Cultural dressing of the Tiv indigenous people of Nigeria.” Tzb8060, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons.

The Tiv believe envy can be defied only by those with a magical essence called tsav. Anyone who presumes to excel at anything, even dancing or singing, is thought to need at least some tsav. But the preeminent example of a “man of tsav” among them is the rich, healthy man with a large family and extensive, productive farmlands. Without loads of tsav, he could never ward off the envy-inspired black magic of others.

As I said, European civilization has historically been successful — perhaps uniquely successful — in overcoming the debilitating effects of envy, even to the extent that we tend to forget its dangers and badly underestimate its influence on others. Post-World War II development theorists generally assumed that teaching a few technical or agricultural skills to a few third-world peasants would be enough for them to spread quickly from village to village, rapidly increasing the wealth of entire societies. But people act to maximize prosperity only when they are not afraid they will provoke envy. In such a society, peasants might not practice new skills at all or do so secretly.

How did the West tame envy? Is there a racial factor involved? Unfortunately, I am not aware of any research on this. Schoeck emphasizes the influence of Christianity. The pre-Christian Greeks were keenly aware of the problem of envy, and believed that excessive human prosperity might even arouse envy in the gods, who could then bring overly successful men to grief. In contrast, the transcendent God of Christianity is so far above the human level that any thought of his envying his own creatures is absurd. There are a number of passages in the Gospels against envy, the clearest probably being the parable of the workers in the vineyard who are paid the same amount whether they labored all day or only began an hour before sunset. Christianity teaches that the advantages that commonly provoke envy are of no consequence in man’s relation to God, in which the king enjoys no advantage over the pauper.

But an awareness of the harmful effects of envy is not unique to Christianity, and other religious traditions have developed ways of combatting them. The essential point is that the envious man must somehow have his attention drawn away from the advantages enjoyed by others and toward realistic goals within his own power. This is the only way he can begin to act constructively to improve his own situation. Historically, various religious conceptions have refocused men’s attention this way.

The most cursory look at the sort of thinking now dominant in the West shows that it is doing the reverse. Anti-racism never concerns itself with the spiritual self-improvement of its beneficiaries. It is concerned with worldly goods, but does nothing to help people improve their lot through effective means such as learning skills or deferring gratification and planning for the future. Its constant message is: You have less because the white man has more, and he has more because he has rigged the game in his favor.

“Critical race theory” is a pretentious name for what is in fact a reemergence of the most primitive, envy-driven form of reasoning. Emotionally, its appeal is identical to that of the Dobu Islander’s belief that his neighbor is eating better only by spiriting yams out of other people’s gardens. And it is not merely a rationalization of and justification for envy but, insofar as it is successfully propagated, it’s a means of creating envy where none previously existed. Critical race theory inculcates resentment among children to whom it might otherwise not have occurred to compare themselves invidiously with their white neighbors, and directs their attention away from practical ways to improve their own lives. As we have seen, many societies have been dominated by envy, but I cannot think of another case of a regime systematically trying to maximize envy in the rising generation. It is genuinely cruel to the non-white children who are supposedly its intended beneficiaries, but as we would expect from envy-inspired behavior, the aim appears to be to harm us rather than to help them.

The harm involves first of all the inculcation of guilt, which is the modern counterpart of the primitive’s fear of envious black magic. Nonracial precedents for such guilt are easy to find. You have probably seen, perhaps on some liberal neighbor’s bumper-sticker, the injunction “Live simply, so that others may simply live.” At bottom, this is the same Dobu-Islander fallacy of assuming there must be a fixed number of yams, so that if you take more than your share, others must go hungry.

Socialist intellectuals of the last century poisoned their lives with this sort of guilt, imagining that any enjoyment they permitted themselves amounted to robbing the toiling masses. Today, progressive academics with no understanding of how wealth is created advocate massive capital transfers to the third world in order to assuage their guilt over living in a prosperous society. It cannot be overemphasized that this is a fallacy, that the world’s good things do not exist in any fixed quantity and, therefore, enjoying a few of them does not deprive anyone else.

Today, young whites are being targeted for prosperity-guilt. Many, of course, are not even prosperous, living in communities ravaged by opioids and long-term unemployment. Yet these children are now being taught that they are responsible for the problems of the ghetto. Since this cannot directly benefit anyone in the ghetto, we are forced to ask ourselves what is really going on. Don’t let yourself be put off by any talk about the need to “foster difficult conversations about race.” The inculcation of guilt and resentment is not a conversation, and the children involved are too young to talk meaningfully about race anyway.

The most important historical precedent for critical race theory’s deliberate cultivation of racial guilt and resentment, I believe, is communism, which harnessed class-envy not to improve the lives of the working class, but to subvert society and let a tiny, ideologically-defined elite rule over the ruins, unconstrained by law or custom. In the same way, the only beneficiaries of critical racial theory are likely to be those who are already powerful.

But critical race theory is simply the most recent in a series of bad policies due in part to a failure to understand the social effects of envy. Racial integration already followed the same pattern more than half a century ago. Envy is a phenomenon of proximity; distance, both social and physical, tends to diminish it by making comparison harder. At one time, segregation served this important social function. Whether averting envy was among the purposes of those who started it in the late 19th century I do not know, but it was certainly an effect of their actions.

In his book Race and Education, the late Raymond Wolters offers many examples of black racial resentment enflamed by integration. Whites’ participation in class discussions, for example, appeared to some blacks “as an arrogant display, a deliberate flaunting of knowledge that downgrades other class members.” Some suspected the only reason white children even bothered working for good grades was to look better than blacks. One black girl, asked why she picked on a smaller white girl, said she was annoyed by the girl’s “attitude in class. She knows all the answers. She gets them right all the time.” It may have been wiser to segregate the races and let people suspect black children were less smart than to integrate them and remove all doubt.

One of the commonest effects of school integration was a rise in vandalism. Wolters notes a dramatic instance that occurred in Topeka, Kansas, the school system directly at issue in the Brown decision. In 1970, a principal refused to authorize an assembly on the Thursday of his school’s official “Black Culture Week” celebration. There had already been assemblies and presentations that week, and by Thursday this principal thought that enough instruction time had been lost. In response to his refusal, a group of black students set fire to the school auditorium, doing over \$27,000 worth of damage.

Vandalism is destruction without any corresponding gain to the vandal, and sometimes even involves effort or risk. Such acts are commonly described as senseless, but we can often begin to make sense of them once we understand envy. Schoeck discusses a case in which someone painstakingly slashed the tires of 20 cars in a single night. Detectives could not discover any motive. But Schoeck asks whether it is really so hard to put oneself in the position of a young lout who has failed his driver’s test and is driven into a rage by the sight of a row of shiny new cars waiting for their lucky owners. He quotes a similar case in which a man arrested for setting fire to eight cars told the police: “I couldn’t afford to own an automobile . . . and I didn’t want anyone else to have one.” Vandalism was better than stealing a car.

In the 1950s, at the same time as school desegregation, many white liberals began to worry that schools in white neighborhoods were getting more funding than those in black neighborhoods. A campaign to build new, state-of-the-art schools for the underprivileged was launched. The immediate result was widespread vandalism. In 1958, the New York Department of Education was forced to replace 160,000 windows and make good the damage done by 75 cases of arson. Schoeck notes that envy was probably the motive:

To the slum child, the daily contrast between his “home” and the school’s air-conditioned chrome-and-glass luxury is an irritant. If he is burdened with learning difficulties, he sees school as a world to which he will never belong. He knows that when his schooldays are over there will be no comparable place of work waiting for him. What, then, is more probable than that he should give free rein in vandalism to his rage and resentment? The culprits may be turning against too perfect an environment which they themselves did not help create.

Within a few years, schools were being built with fewer windows, and they had iron bars. Many noted the resemblance to prisons.

Eventually the envy directed against successful white students and shiny new buildings began to include high-achieving blacks. They found themselves accused of being sellouts and “acting white.” Roland Fryer of Harvard devised a quantitative study of this “acting white” effect. He discovered that in integrated classrooms, as the grade-point averages of black students increases beyond the level of a B+, they tend to have fewer friends. In schools that were almost all black, he found “no evidence at all that getting good grades adversely affects students’ popularity.” A president of Atlanta’s Spelman College also noted that “an oppositional identity that disdains academic achievement has not always been characteristic of black adolescent peer groups. It seems to be a post-desegregation phenomenon.” The reason should be obvious: invidious comparisons depend upon proximity. School integration is a classic example of the harm that can be done by failing to understand the importance of envy in human relations.

Integrated students at Anacostia High School: 1957.
Integrated students at Anacostia High School: 1957.

Most of Schoeck’s examples of envy are of people in more or less homogeneous societies, but he does cite one example of its influence on group dynamics that is based on a study of a small Colorado town around 1950. The town consisted of two well-defined groups, a white, English-speaking upper stratum and a slightly larger Spanish-speaking population with lower occupations. The dominant, English-speaking group, though having a certain caste spirit, was open enough to absorb the most capable members of the Spanish-speaking group. Other Spanish-speakers saw them as traitors who had sold out to the Anglos, practicing subservience to them while climbing over the backs of their own people. Even Spanish-speakers who had attained an only slightly better-than-average economic position were accused of arrogance and viewing other members of their own group with contempt.

Obviously, this behavior of Spanish-speakers in Colorado in 1950 perfectly parallels the more recent controversy over successful black students accused of “acting white.” Then as now, an envious group may be driven to embrace even failure itself as a badge of identity and claim to moral superiority. There is nothing new under the sun.

I’d like to focus now on the charge of arrogance that appears in both the school integration anecdotes and Schoeck’s Colorado study. It is classic envy to accuse others of “thinking they are better.” Most often, this is psychological projection: It is not the envied man who thinks he is better, but the envier who perceives himself as inferior. How likely do you think it is that even a single white child in America works for good grades specifically to humiliate black classmates? And yet black children are perfectly capable of imagining this. Whites do not compare themselves to blacks; they are far more likely to compare themselves to other whites.

As you know, American Renaissance has enemies. A lot of people would like nothing better than to shut us down by force. Most of them have little idea what actually happens at our conferences. They have never bothered to find out. The visceral anger they express toward our generally friendly and mild-mannered attendees and writers usually amounts to the accusation: “You think you are better.” They imagine we have these meetings so we can congratulate ourselves on our superiority and pour contempt on the rest of the human race. But do any of you actually know a white person who would travel hundreds of miles for that?

To state the obvious, our purpose in discussing IQ, for example, is not to pat ourselves on the back, but to refute the notion that we are conspiring to keep other people down. Equality of natural endowments is not something in our power, or anyone’s power, to grant. Natural selection is an impersonal process that from the human point of view scarcely differs from chance. But, as I noted earlier, there are primitive societies that altogether lack any concept of chance or luck. They think all differences between men are the result of intentional action, usually magical. Some similar superstition probably underlies the thinking of our enemies.

Occasionally we discuss the high proportion of human achievement originating in Europe and its people. Until fairly recently, this historical fact was considered so obvious that it was not worth talking about. And this does not mean, by the way, that Western man ever sought to deny the genuine achievements of others; a self-confident people feels no need to begrudge due recognition to others. Today, the basic facts of Western accomplishment are under attack, and a response has become necessary. Many of you will be familiar with the important work done by Prof. Ricardo Duchesne in this area. Once again, self-congratulation is not the point. Speaking personally, contemplation of the vastness of Western achievement is more likely to inspire me with a feeling of humility than one of pride or arrogance. Measured against what our ancestors wrought, our personal achievements are laughably modest.

It has sometimes occurred to me that the biggest problem with the idea of racial equality is that whites are the only people who can be made to believe in it. The resentment so often evinced towards whites arises deep in the limbic part of the brain and thus remains uninfluenced by egalitarian exhortation, which operates only at the more superficial level of the cortex and rational thought. That is why decades of efforts have done so little to assuage feelings of racial inferiority.

What can be done to combat racial envy? This is not an easy question. If we look to our own tradition of ethical thought developed over many centuries within Christendom, we find envy characterized as a sin. It is one of the seven cardinal sins upon which most more specific sins hinge. Sin is an essentially spiritual phenomenon which means, among other things, that it must be combatted at the level of the individual soul. There is no possible political or legislative program to eliminate envy any more than pride or wrath. These are timeless temptations intrinsic to the human condition.

As already stated, the best way to overcome envy is to have goals of one’s own. Once a man begins to concentrate on achieving something through his own efforts, invidious comparisons with others begin to seem like distractions. He loses interest in them. But this shift in focus is not the kind of thing one man can achieve on behalf of another, still less that one social or racial group can confer upon another. It is a spiritual challenge for each individual. The best we can probably do is to remove direct incitements to envy such as critical race theory. Also, as previously noted, distance can diminish the effects of envy, but under a regime of forced and micro-managed association, this is impossible to achieve.

Another lesson is that we should not take too literally the accusations about slavery and colonialism constantly cast in our teeth. No one would care about the sins of our great-grandfathers, real or imagined, if we were not more successful than certain other races today. It is observed superiority that inspires resentment, not the wrongs of past centuries, which are at most post facto ways of rationalizing resentment.

But perhaps the most important lesson for us to learn is the futility of appeasement. As Helmut Schoeck observes, people who find themselves the targets of envy have difficulty responding rationally. In particular, they are prone to imagine envy arises as a direct consequence of their being better off and will, therefore, necessarily wane if even unrealistic demands are pandered to. American Renaissance has run countless stories about racial pandering, as you know. Repulsive as it is, a certain amount might be tolerable if it were effective. But in the long run, it never is. As noted, envious people often get worse, the better they are treated. The more generous we are in benefitting the envious, the more clearly we demonstrate (in their eyes) our own superiority. The best we can probably do is to insist upon two truths: 1) that any advantages we may enjoy are not the cause of others being deprived of them, and 2) that the future of other racial groups is in their own hands, not ours.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I find it really strange that ‘pro-White’ publications, such as AmRen, never would say (and correctly so) “race A is inferior” or “race B is primitive” but they do say REALLY similar things like “primitive societies” and get away with it (!) – for me, that’s incorrect: There is NO such thing as a primitive society.
    Natural Selection made the races DIFFERENT – each race is fitter for the particular environment it inhabits. Likewise, the so-called “primitive society” of the, say, Dobu Islanders is simply the BEST way for this people to transmit their genes.

  2. I read Schoeck’s book as a young man–great stuff.

    The best example I ever heard was from a black attorney I knew who visited her husband’s family in a small village in Nigeria.

    His family lived in a dilapidated house and from the outside it looked like they were in dire poverty.

    This was a total ruse–but it was explained to them that the slightest sign of wealth would result in gangs arriving at gunpoint to steal anything of value.

    They had quickly learned to wear old clothes, look dirty, and even beg for food on the street to “prove” they were poor.

    The attorney told me they had incredible feasts as meals–she had never eaten better in her life.

  3. If you resent the influence of Jews on what basis?

    • Replies: @Marcali
    , @Realist
  4. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    Re. Chief Gaganamole: if he’s the chief, and that’s his wife, you assume she’s the hottest woman in the tribe. Yikes. Someone didn’t walk through there with an ugly stick, they used an ugly fucking bomb.

    • Replies: @Brooklyn Dave
  5. How does one overcome a crabs in a bucket culture?

    By the total removal of that culture.

    Lots of envy-based ideas are implicitly stating that the less fortunate lack agency. The idea that a wealthy yam farmer is wealthy because he steals is based on the misperception that humans lack agency to change the world. What can be done is to give/teach agency to people. This article dove talks with these articles https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/10/jean-piaget-superior-psychogenetic-cognition-europeans-part-one.html https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/10/jean-piaget-and-superior-psychogenetic-cognition-europeans-part2.html
    Where the idea of certain cultures being invaluable of self consciousness and therefore self awareness of agency. There is a gene – culture conexion but how strong, I can’t say.

    One thing that I do dislike is the lazy and wealthy dismissing criticism of their station in life as envy. One does have a right to be in contempt of property not earned through agency but rewarded by fortune.

    Wealth does not correspond to nobility or other traits we wish to have in the ruling class. At extreme levels of wealth, the traits match more with those whose hands should be kept away from power and influence.

    One more thing, this article seems to suggests envy corresponds to poverty and low IQ, but that is untrue in the case of the jew and in case of organized crime.

  6. @Vergissmeinnicht

    This framing smacks of glib obtuseness and logomachy. The difference between the inferior/superior hierarchy (pertaining to relative spatial or moral value) and the primitive/modern spectrum (pertaining to relative cultural or technological advancement) is obvious. That said, it’s a matter of opinion and aesthetic whether it’s “incorrect” to posit one phenomenon as “superior” to another. Your remark about natural selection implies its own hierarchical value judgement. You imply that God (Nature) has ordained each clade of mankind as Superior in its own historical niche.

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool
  7. Another lesson is that we should not take too literally the accusations about slavery and colonialism constantly cast in our teeth

    “The fact is, there has been slavery in every period of history, and just about everywhere. The Greeks and Romans had it, the ancient Egyptians had it, it’s all over the Bible, the Chinese and the pre-Columbian Indians had it, the Maoris in New Zealand had it, and the Muslims had it in spades. But I have never, ever heard of slavery being anyone else’s ‘original sin’.” https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/wait-slavery-is-our-original-sin/

    • Agree: Z-man
  8. Jimmy1969 says:

    Devlin. A great article. But look up a book I studied in University by Max Scheler. It is called Resssentiment. Your rant is incomplete without considering it…or maybe you studied it and didn’t mention where you got most of your ideas.

  9. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    America is very envious of China. One British woman in 1992 responded to the finical gesture of a Kuwaiti prince by saying that her daughter’s medical care should be borne by the Kuwaitis because they had so much money . It was envy that shaped the bloody murderous period of European history both abroad and in the continent and its marches e to wars, pillage and corruptions . Envy was the reaction of the Europeans to the splendor of the Chinese and Indian buildings ,the jewels ,and to envy to the lifestyles .

  10. @anyone with a brain

    Holy shit so many auto correct errors

    tl;dr envy is caused by being blind to human agency.
    Some individuals are incapable of seeing themselves as agents in the world i.e they have a fatalistic approach to the world and if someone does better it is because they have cheated the system or others.
    To remedy this the culture needs to change so that people do believe in their own agency and responsibilities, on an individual and collective level.

    On the other hand human agency has its limits and it would be ridiculous to be blind to those limits and use that blindness to justify socially disastrous concentrated wealth and power.

  11. @anon

    You don’t even need to look at the historical envy that Europeans had of the East. Just look at the anti-China hysteria all over the West today and you’ll understand how envy is embedded in the western civilization. They abhor that a non-white race has through hard work become more successful than themselves — and the Chinese did it without shooting even a single bullet outside of their own borders.

  12. sic says:

    gratitude is the cure to envy

  13. @Mary Marianne

    No, westerners are too foolish to be envious of China. Fear is not envy. White English teachers in China are enough to arouse Chinese envy.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @littlereddot
  14. Thomasina says:
    @Mary Marianne

    Don’t make me laugh. If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, its discoveries and technology, China would still be back in the Dark Ages.

    The capitalists from the West transferred their manufacturing to China to take advantage of cheap labor and no environmental controls. They teamed up with the corrupt Chinese elite, and the rest is history. The elite have made out like bandits.

    This was all handed to China on a silver platter. It’s like being handed a bag of diamonds and all you have to do is string them together to make a necklace. What’s to envy there?

    Any anti-China hysteria is only just pretend. The Western elite know they’ve sold out their own countrymen, but their griping about China allows them to distance themselves from what they’ve done. Western elite don’t want to end their association with China any more than the Chinese do. For them it has been a ticket to print money.

  15. Biff says:
    @Justvisiting

    This was a total ruse–but it was explained to them that the slightest sign of wealth would result in gangs arriving at gunpoint to steal anything of value.

    A common proverb in Africa is – “Reach too high and you get your hand chopped off”

  16. All this blabber about envy and not one mention of the gini index. My god are you people stupid.

    Here’s your pal Jordan Peterson explaining how the gini coefficient is what causes violence. It’s an incredibly reliable indicator.

    “You always hear this idea that poverty causes crime…but it’s wrong. It’s seriously wrong…There’s no argument about this, it’s already been established. What causes crime, especially aggressive crime, is relative poverty. Relative poverty is not the same thing as poverty at all…Poverty is when you don’t have enough to eat, relative poverty is when the guy next door has a better car than you…What’s really interesting about the Gini Coefficient is that if you go to places where everyone, roughly speaking, is poor…there’s almost no crime. And if you go to places where everyone is rich, there’s almost no crime. If you go places where there are poor people, and moderately well off people, and rich people, and the distribution is really steep, then the rate of aggressive behavior among young men… begins to spiral out of control.”

    Thus: guillotines (for the rich) prevent crime.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
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    , @gabon 45
  17. anon[536] • Disclaimer says:
    @GazaPlanet

    No its envy and projection.These bastards once told Saddam not envy the wealth of the Kuwait and Saudi after being paid and bribed to wage war against Saddam .

    Idiot Trump was envious with hate and arrogance when he demanded Libyan and Iraiqi oil to be seized .

    McCain was seething with impotent hate when he angrily called Russia a giant gas station . Envy is often nothing but the expression of the mixed raw negative emotion against someone with resources.

    China, has been called by a quite a few morons a Walmart forgetting that they are the fat shoppers on the wheelchair in the checkout with the cart loaded with junk foods and liquors.

  18. lee says:
    @Mary Marianne

    Lots of food for thought in this article—thanks for posting it.

    anon said:

    They abhor that a non-white race has through hard work become more successful than themselves — and the Chinese did it without shooting even a single bullet outside of their own borders.

    The Chinese had no need to fire a bullet outside of their borders.Programs like Maos Great Leap Forward simply starved 15-55 million Chinese to death to obtain its goals.Bullets costs money but starvation allows the state to continue to profit from soneone elses work right up to their death.

    Admittedly,I do abhor mass genocide.

    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @Petermx
  19. Paladin says:
    @Mary Marianne

    I do not agree with your assertion, “Just look at the anti-China hysteria all over the West today.” Westerners, especially Americans, may fear modern China for we know our well being, nay our very existence, has become economically dependent on them. In actuality we wish them well and despite differences would like to work in cooperation with the Chinese. For ideological reasons that may not be possible, but failure to do so will not result from our wish to see them humbled.

    Excellent article, btw.

  20. Petermx says:

    I watch FOX news regularly. I like Tucker Carlson and some others they have. I don’t agree with everything they say but they appeal to me more than other networks. I detested them in the 2000’s when they played a prominent role in promoting the war on Iraq. They are called “conservative” and they regularly point out people, including those in the media, that speak of “White supremacy” (a non-existent problem) and other anti-White talk but they don’t go nearly far enough.

    They point out the statements, but they don’t call it what it is, “anti-White racist hatred” and when a Black is espousing such views the next thought to be spoken would be envy Blacks have for others. Of course, it’s not only Blacks. Some Latin Americans (but not so many) have also come to the US and talk down to Whites whose descendants came to America 300 years ago and they also express anti-White animus. I’m thinking in particular of Ana Navarro, an immigrant from Nicaragua who once said Whites have run things long enough in the USA. It’s about time others get a chance. I was waiting for the reply, that’s because the USA was until recently a White country, or overwhelmingly so. Ana also could have been told, didn’t you have a chance in Nicaragua to build that into a successful country? What about the rest of central and South America? Why didn’t you create more successful countries there? Do you think by travelling to North America all of a sudden you will have the qualities that create great societies? Do you think that all is required is you cross the border and you instantly obtain these qualities?

    • Agree: Realist, HdC, Avery
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Anon
  21. Daemon says:
    @lee

    Please explain how starving your citizens to death helped the chinese achieve their goals and what those goals happened to be.

  22. Petermx says:
    @lee

    I don’t think starving millions of Chinese helped advance China. I suspect several factors have contributed to China and other east Asian countries achieving prosperity. One, as the Japanese correctly pointed out before WW II, others (mostly British) running things in Asia kept Asia from its true potential. After WW II and becoming independent, Singapore and others have flourished. The fact that these are ancient societies with a record of success in the past also points out why a dirt poor country like China could change things so dramatically. I also believe Europe’s change from having proud people’s who wanted to be the leaders and the best into less competitive societies that took self criticism to a new level helped others surpass Europe, so that Europe is now third rate (after the USA and Asia) after having thousands of years of success.

    • Replies: @martin_2
  23. Methinks the author just makes a feeble attempt at rationalizing robberbaronism.

    “What isn´t nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose isn´t nailed down.”
    – ascribed to Colin P. Huntington

    Both the God-killer and the anabaptist abomination regard successful appropriation as the visible mark of Chosenness; in reality it only makes manifest which god they worship
    (-> Matt. 6:19-24).

    – Capuchin monkeys already display a “sense of fairness” – the difference being they also protest when preferentially treated i.e. the social opprobrium is so overwhelming it does not pay to be a monkey sociopath. Clearly the mechanism serves to protect the social fabric as well as the Commons from exploitation – as these are the major problems we are facing today, how did so-called “envy” end up as a mortal sin? (three guesses 😛 )

    (The one criticism I will allow to stand is that it hinders progress – but there has to be a better way)

    • Agree: anyone with a brain
  24. @GazaPlanet

    I do agree. The present trouble in relations between the US and China is not about envy. Americans do not know enough about China to be envious. And what they do think they know, is hardly flattering.

    The cause of the bad relations is fear.

    1. Fear of China which is so alien to the US, that people can hardly fathom it. They throw labels like Communist, but cannot reconcile China’s market success. All in all, they do not understand China, but dread its rapid rise.

    2. The fear when one finds his living standards falling despite working hard. Someone has to be blamed for the their problems. Enter the politicians…”your problems are caused by those dastardly foreigners. Elect me, and I will stop those evil Chinese from hurting you”.

    3. The projection that China somehow wants to rule the world. It would take too long to explain. Sigh. But I think you know what I mean.

    The sum of these 3 fears is a potent mix I would say.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  25. gotmituns says:

    While I think the Orientals are disciplined, and can expand on an idea, invariably, the original idea always comes from a Round Eye.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  26. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mary Marianne

    Excellently put.tnx

  27. @Thomasina

    If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, its discoveries and technology, China would still be back in the Dark Ages.

    “If it wasn’t for” Chinese inventions like the compass, the rudder, etc. the whites would still be stuck in Europe. By the time the Chinese made such inventions, it had ALREADY past its “Dark Ages”.

    The capitalists from the West transferred their manufacturing to China to take advantage of cheap labor and no environmental controls.

    The Chinese did pay for all such services. When the Europeans got from the non-whites the inventions, skills they needed, and used, to advance their societies before the modern era, they simply stole them.

    This was all handed to China on a silver platter. It’s like being handed a bag of diamonds and all you have to do is string them together to make a necklace. What’s to envy there?

    Pure delusion! The whites NEVER “handed a bag of diamonds” to the Chinese. It was the Chinese diaspora, who genuinely wanted to help their fellow Chinese and made their pots of gold while doing so. Seeing that, the Japs, murrikans and, belatedly, the Europeans following the smell of money and “invested” in China– because, if they didn’t do so, they would be out-competed, and steam-rolled over, by their competitors who DID. It was NOT done out of kindness.

    The Western elite know they’ve sold out their own countrymen, but their griping about China allows them to distance themselves from what they’ve done. Western elite don’t want to end their association with China any more than the Chinese do. For them it has been a ticket to print money.

    The white elites sell out anyone and everyone– even their own mothers– when there is a dime to be made by doing so. That is why the Chinese NEVER trust them:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2171548/why-china-no-longer-relies-wisdom-old-white-guys

    • Replies: @Z-man
  28. @Thomasina

    Chinese STEM grads are now in the throngs and G5 has one million stations installed –ouch.

  29. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    You Chink no? U no like whites. (LOL)

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @anon
  30. @gotmituns

    Lets revisit this topic again in 30 years.

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  31. AaronB says:

    For most of history, most cultures did not feel that accomplishment in the material world was the point of life. In fact they scorned excessive preoccupation with this kind of accomplishment.

    What they sought, was spiritual and philosophical contentment, and enjoyment of life.

    When the West first started encountering other cultures, whether civilizations in Europe or indigenous tribes, they all took note of the West’s superiority in material accompaniment – however, none of them envied the West. The historical record shows a uniform reaction of indifference or even scorn and pity for a culture so preoccupied with material things, for a culture so lacking in spiritual contentment, and one so unfree.

    The American Indians, for instance, far from envying the West, thought the Western lifestyle to be unfree and slavish, and productive of unhappy people. This critique of Western culture had a profound impact on Enlightenment thinkers.

    Indeed, whenever anyone had a choice between Western lifestyle and the Indian lifestyle, they invariably chose the Indian lifestyle. Children captured by Indians and later returned to their White parents, invariably returned to life among the Indians. The reverse was never true.

    When the West tried to impress China initially with it’s material superiority, China was completely uninterested. They could care less. It’s highly significant, that the West had to use violence and force to “open up” places like China and Japan.

    Far from envying the Wests material superiority and wanting to emulate it, they saw no point in it and thought their own way of life infinitely preferable. Only violence made them see the necessity if catching up with the West.

    It’s difficult for us today, to understand that this obsession with material accomplishment, which today spans the entire globe, was initially a recent development in only the West.

    And that far from envying the Wests material accomplishment, most pitied it or scorned it, or were indifferent to it.

    Today, of course, things are very different. The disease that began in the West, spans the whole globe. The behavior of today’s China, is clearly motivated entirely by bitter envy, for instance.

    But that is only because the Western disease has now covered the globe (I don’t blame the West – the disease merely began there, but clearly, all of humanity was susceptible).

    As already stated, the best way to overcome envy is to have goals of one’s own. Once a man begins to concentrate on achieving something through his own efforts, invidious comparisons with others begin to seem like distractions. He loses interest in them

    This is of course completely untrue. Preoccupation with accomplishment is inherently competitive. It is the enemy of spiritual contentment, acceptance, and the sense of “enough”.

    Western culture is Faustian – characterized by a competitive desire to surpass all limits and bounds and achieve an unrivalled superiority. This is not an “innocent” desire, and it’s false to characterize it that way.

    • Thanks: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Exile
    , @Craig Nelsen
    , @Barr
  32. Z-man says:
    @Petermx

    Speaking of Tucker, I watch him religiously to the detriment of my family relationships, it’s amazing how quickly he replaced Bill O’ (O’Reilly) when Bill O’ imploded, exploded whatever. The Tucker crew didn’t skip a beat, quickly took the ratings lead and thus made few if anyone miss ol’Bill O’. Interesting no?

    • Replies: @Petermx
  33. Z-man says:

    How did the discussion get to China? Wasn’t the author writing about the ‘White Man’s Burden’, negroes and browns? But if you want to include the Asians I have a solution that I posted earlier.

    Speaking of culling I made this brilliant post a few days ago.

    “Ideally 500 million Asiatics would be eliminated along with 500 million negros in Africa and 500 million south Asians. At first that sounds harsh but when you distribute this culling among the constituent groups (eg. south Asia-India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Ceylon) it’s not that bad. (Grin)
    Oh, include 25 million Ay-rabs, 25 million central Americans, 25 million minorities in the USA (the lowest of the low) and of course the magical 6 Million Jews and then you really have something good going on. (Evil grin)
    PS. Include some of the stupidest shit lib whites from all over the world in this culling and you’ll really have a home run.”

    • Replies: @denk
  34. @Z-man

    Truth hurts!

    Tsktsktsk…

    • Replies: @Z-man
  35. @Anonymous

    For a moment I thought that pic was the Melanesian version of Penthouse. The article in general covers the topic of envy brilliantly. I would think that most readers of TOO would have a general opinion something like this: Jews, intelligent and successful. Pretty much all White people admire the Jews’ intelligence, but would have a problem how many of them attained their wealth and influence. Blacks (in America) many intelligent and successful individuals, but collective severely lacking as a group -overdependent on Whites. My personal take on Black achievement and success is that I want to see more and more of it. The more successful Blacks are, it should follow that there should be less dependence on the larger White community. This is true individually (although a certain percentage of that success is due to affirmative action – but that is not the point I want to make) but the finger always points back the poor disadvantaged Negro in the ghetto. An unwillingness to let go of victimhood status – which the Blacks learned from Marxist Jews who led most, if not all civil rights organizations.

  36. Petermx says:
    @Z-man

    I didn’t watch FOX when Bill was there. From what I saw of him, I didn’t really care for him. I didn’t like Hannity either because of his pro war stance.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  37. gotmituns says:

    An unwillingness to let go of victimhood status
    ———————————————————–
    It’s not “unwillingness”, it’s inability to raise their status.

  38. geokat62 says:
    @Thomasina

    The capitalists from the West transferred their manufacturing to China to take advantage of cheap labor and no environmental controls. They teamed up with the corrupt Chinese elite, and the rest is history. The elite have made out like bandits.

    A few minor edits…

    The (((capitalists))) from the West transferred their manufacturing to China to take advantage of cheap labor and no environmental controls. (((They))) teamed up with the corrupt Chinese elite, and the rest is history. The (((elite))) have made out like bandits.

  39. Trinity says:

    Look at the physique of Chief Gaganamole taken at the turn of the 20th century. The dude doesn’t look like a spring chicken and looks weathered a bit but still has a tight body. No man boobs, no protruding gut or love handles. No barbells, exercise bikes, protein powders or supplements, etc. No bloated pumped up muscles but just a trim, well defined and muscular physique from physical work and eating off the land. Envy? Would the old Chief be envious of some early 20th century soft bankster like Jacob Schiff? I highly doubt it. This is the way of life for the Chief and he was happier than a pig in mud living that way. How many middle aged White softies would be envious of Chief’s physique?

    Blacks were not meant to live in White societies NOR IS THE JEW. It isn’t as much “envy” as it is incompatibility. Talking to a friend on the phone last night and he mentioned a story about some ex NFL player, a Black guy named Zac Stacey who beat his wife/girlfriend in front of a child/infant. I have yet to google the video but my friend said the woman was White and I guess the small child is their mixed baby. According to my friend this woman beater threw the tiny woman around like a rag doll. The good news is they caught Mr. Tough Guy in Orlando.

  40. Maddaugh says:

    Quite frankly, these days it is best to keep a low profile and be invisible in the crowd.

    Driving the Bentley, flashing the bling, keeping a fat stack in the back pocket and a high end house attracts a lot of flies. Family, friends and people you barely know suddenly, and for a variety of reasons, have wants and needs that can only be satisfied with YOUR money.

    If you dont got it, dont waste time being envious. Get out and work. If you got it, remember the world is full of lazy fucks with a hard luck story looking for a sucker.

    You make yourself a target by being high profile, no pun intended .

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  41. JackOH says:
    @AaronB

    It’s difficult for us today, to understand that this obsession with material accomplishment, which today spans the entire globe, was initially a recent development in only the West.

    AaronB, agree. I don’t have the chops for a detailed criticism of modern consumerism/consumptionism, but I’m pretty sure things like good relations with God and sovereign, good relations with folks in one’s village, and so on were regarded as more important than whether one had an extra dollop of oatmeal in one’s porridge.

    • Agree: AaronB
  42. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes envy is a major factor in human racial relations.
    Non Whites, especially brown and black peoples are extremely envious of White people, especially Northern Europeans or White people with light hair and light eyes.
    Many reasons for this envy
    1] Looks: The looks of White people create envy in darker races. This is more intense in their envy for Northern Europeans.
    2] Traditional White mannerisms: Too posh for most non Whites, even White Working Class mannerisms seem posh. Traditional White mannerisms + looks made them darker races feel like monkeys in front of a race of Gods/ angels/space-men.
    3] Technological achievements: White men with their genius have invented the modern magical world of electricity, air flight, automobiles, advanced medicine, space stations etc….
    4] Military and Political power: White people have pretty good military success rate, though not 100%. From ancient times may they be Aryans, Greeks, Romans etc… till now. This was especially the case in the last 5 centuries when White people have been militarily very successful when fighting non Whites, though not 100%. White people nearly conquered the entire World.
    Millions of brown and black people saw a White American President holding talks with a White Soviet leader to discuss the future of the World. It was as if White people ran the World. Now with China, it is White people + Yellow people (actually a century back with Japan) thus including Yellow East Asians in the envied category sometimes.
    5] Economic success of nations: Until some decades ago White societies were extremely prosperous and functioning well, unlike the failures of darker nations. Yellow nations do well too.
    Sometimes we see similar envy but to a lessor extent within Whites. For example Southern European envy towards Northern Europeans. Eastern Europeans towards the West.
    Sometimes Yellow East Asians are the object of envy by darker races too for similar reasons. For example Brown Indian envy towards Yellow China. Blacks attacking East Asians in Western countries.
    Sometimes we see envy within East Asians. Chinese and Korean envy of Japan, for example. Japanese mannerisms plays its part.
    We can see similar envy among blacks towards brown Caucasians like Arabs or Asian Indians or sometimes even Hispanics. Example Idi Amin and native Ugandan envy towards Asian Indians once the British Empire receded from that part. Sometimes blacks envy other blacks. Like Hutus envying better looking, taller Tutsis. Bantu blacks envying more Caucasoid looking Ethiopians.
    Then we have the superiority complex feelings mixing up with inferiority complex feelings.
    Arrogant people like the Hindus, Chinese, Muslims etc… arrogantly believed themselves to be the most superior civilization only to be all eclipsed by the White World. Superiority complex feelings meet inferiority complex feelings, creating enormous hatred and envy. Similarly on this basis we can explain Jewish envy for gentile Whites. Or Southern European envy towards Northern Europeans. Or Chinese + Korean envy towards the Japanese.

    The best way to solve this envy problem is more isolation from “lower races” and not advertising your success to them as far as possible. Keep them ignorant, happy and contented with their backward ways. Forever.

  43. “This is one reason schemes for redistributing wealth do not solve the problem of envy.”

    It being a black and white issue but the thing overlooked is gray, as in the middleman, who not only facilitates but is going to take a large chunk of the booty when transfer is completed. Cui bono?

  44. Trinity says:

    I will take HEALTH OVER WEALTH any day of the week and that includes MENTAL HEALTH. Why waste energy on being envious of another person, all we obtain in this world is only temporary anyhow. Be grateful for what you have and deal with the cards you were dealt. EVERYONE has something to offer but unfortunately those with the largest soap boxes and most wealth choose to use it for evil than for good and even more so now thanks to years of Jewy indoctrination.

    IF this nation were being run by competent White men from long ago, disabled vets and people over 70 would have been able to receive free housing, free medical, in either independent or assisted living facilities. I personally know of someone who receives 20 grand a month in retirement. Was that person really worth that or did they make that more contributions to humanity than you or me? Probably, but not that much more. Is it jealousy or just a sense of morality to call out greediness and a system that keeps the majority down.

    Our nation might as well be 90% Jewish. People charging 1200-1500 a month for one bedroom apartments that look like dumps, this MANUFACTURED gas price hikes where a gallon of gas ranges from 3.25 to 5 or 6 bucks a gallon. Henry Ford made sure his workers were paid a decent wage. Men like Henry Ford don’t last long in Clown World aka Jew World where everyone is out to get the other guy and no one trusts anyone. In Jew world I have to even stop giving money to the crooks out there with “Help Family In Need” signs because more than half of them are overweight and well clothed. Of course, the real smart ones dress down and go unshaven for a few days to look the part. Used to be I was always willing to offer money and/or a fast food meal. Yeah, I know damn well what they did with the money, but if being high or drunk helped them make it through another day, than I did the right thing.

    Next time you worry about making ends meet, think of all your money being stolen by crooks in Washington and all your money being sent overseas especially to Israel

    • Agree: HdC
  45. @Maddaugh

    Family, friends and people you barely know suddenly, and for a variety of reasons, have wants and needs that can only be satisfied with YOUR money.

    Great point–and it is hilarious that a lot of professional athletes and well paid performers of other types have to learn this the hard way.

    Envy explains a lot of human behavior–and it is actionable intel.

    If people feel sorry for “poor me”, mission accomplished!

  46. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Petermx

    “Ana also could have been told, didn’t you have a chance in Nicaragua to build that into a successful country? What about the rest of central and South America?
    Why didn’t you create more success”

    You should ask :
    Why not Nicaragua but Guatemalan . Honduran , Salvadoran in the borders ?

    Fox possibly also tells you the reasons for the failures witnessed by these countries .
    I am sure you will swallow those Fox-lie.

    Are you waiting to hear from Fox why Libya and Iraq have been failing ? Their conservative , Bible thumper,End -timers and neocon mono loyalists posing as Americans have right explanation and solution . Ask them .

    To find envy against America , you need to travel to the Fox land itself where neocons congregated in late 90s . From there you need to walk to the minds of the Likud who could twirl America ‘ like this ‘ .

  47. Alfred says:

    the Marshall Plan was viewed with extreme skepticism in parts of Europe.

    The Americans wanted to starve the Germans. To eliminate them. They starved captured German soldiers in large numbers.

    The Marshall Plan was only agreed in 1948 – long after the end of hostilities. It took around a year for it to actually come into effect. It was only agreed because the Americans decided that they needed the Germans to counter the Soviets. The point I am making is that there was nothing altruistic about the Marshall Plan.

    Paris is supposed to house around 1/3 of the art, by value, in the world. However, these wealthy French ensure that the exterior of their houses look quite drab. The interiors are another matter. Few outsiders are ever invited into the homes of these people. They live in perennial fear of the taxman.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  48. @littlereddot

    The Littleredsnatch will never accept the obvious that Whites are infinitely better than the Yellows. In another thirty years, there won’t be any China!

  49. Avery says:
    @Thomasina

    { If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, its discoveries and technology, China would still be back in the Dark Ages.}

    Hardly.
    Chinese have had an advanced civilization (in relative terms) for 1,000s of years.
    In their day, they have invented quite a few advanced things, like gunpowder and primitive rockets (fireworks), for example.

    Europeans* excellent past 500 years or so: physics, math, engineering, medicine,….
    Chinese took a pause for some reason or other, but they have good genes (…..Japanese too): American innovation and knowledge transferred via American factories built there accelerated their advancement quite a lot of course, but they would have eventually figured it out by themselves**.


    { to take advantage of cheap labor and no environmental controls.}

    When US was developing before WW2 and also after, there was plenty of cheap labor and hardly any environmental controls. This is the story of development: you don’t really care about the environment, if you have to develop. Long after US became prosperous, did she start worrying about the environment. Same with Western Europe.
    ______________________________________________
    * US benefited greatly from the brain-drain from Europe into US, particularly before and after WW2. But the atmosphere for innovation, strong support for starting businesses and entrepreneurship is uniquely American.

    ** Exhibit A: North Koreans. They are under complete Western/American technology embargo, yet they have managed to develop quite a bit of advanced technology pretty much all by themselves (…with some help from Soviets and Chinese).

  50. barr says:

    “In a chapter on the geopolitical risks posed by A.I., the authors conclude that————- A brief section about TikTok — an app used by more than a billion people worldwide, whose ownership by a Chinese company raises legitimately fascinating questions about national sovereignty and free speech “—https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/21/books/review/the-age-of-ai-henry-kissinger-eric-schmidt-daniel-huttenlocher.html

    Envy of China is in full display in the bold italics.

  51. @littlereddot

    The sum of these 3 fears is a potent mix I would say.

    “We have nothing to fear except fear itself”. Somebody once said that. Probably a politician.

    2. The fear when one finds his living standards falling despite working hard.

    Working hard??? Maybe. Then maybe not.

    Compare the efficiency of the nearest Chinese restaurant to any other in the area. Note the differences. The explanation is right there.

  52. Jake Dee says:
    @Thomasina

    If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, its discoveries and technology, China would still be back in the Dark Ages.

    That makes it rather hard explain what actually happened in the Dark Ages. Even in the Dark Ages China wasn’t in the Dark Ages. That was their Tang dynasty;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty
    Generally considered to be a time of high culture, poetry, art and cosmopolitan sophistication.
    There have been things in history that weren’t either stolen from Whitey or a plot by the Jews.

    • Replies: @anon
  53. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    You wouldn’t know the truth if it kicked you in the face.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  54. barr says:
    @Thomasina

    “If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, its discoveries and technology, China would still be back in the Dark Age” -irrespective whether its true, remotely true or false, this view shows failing America becoming more and more envious of the thriving Chinese .The envy is getting to a dangerous level where MAGA orange moron can stupefy the rest unable to get to the inside of his mega rally.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  55. @Z-man

    You have no choice but know it because Truth has kicked you between the legs!

    Tsktsktsk…

    • Replies: @Z-man
  56. Z-man says:
    @Petermx

    I was a regular Bill ‘O viewer who became disillusioned as I saw he was owned just as much as anybody on the MSM by the ‘yew know who’. I recall one night he defended the ‘yew know who’ while discussing one of his books ‘Killing Jesus’ by putting the blame of Jesus’s crucifixion squarely on the Romans, disgusting lies and pandering to his paymasters. That was enough of Bill’o. Hopefully Tucker won’t disappoint as the tall Muldoon did.
    Oh BTW, as soon as Carlson signs off I switch channels (I stop watching cable news), just the sight of Hannity makes me nauseous.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @anarchyst
  57. Exile says:
    @AaronB

    I’m not one to demonize China or say we’re “enemies” but no one had to teach materialism and greed to the Chinese, FFS.

    The American Abos were not a uniform group of Noble Savages Living in Harmony With Nature either. When they settled in large groups (e.g. Cahokia) they deforested and otherwise wrecked the environment just like the ebil Faustians did. Their societies were less likely to fall into hubristic excess because they lacked the means, not the motives.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  58. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    Yes I have balls, something you lack.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  59. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake Dee

    Dark age is the trope the rest of the world is supposed to swallow because the poor uneductaed infighting and inbreeding Europeans for ecnturies forgot how to count upto 10. What a chutzhpah to behold!
    Its the same shitload one is regaled with by the morons everyday- if west goes,so goes the world.

    • Agree: Jake Dee
  60. @obwandiyag

    Ron Unz demonstrated that violent crime rates by zipcode strongly correlate with the proportion of blacks living there, with an R^2 of nearly .9.

    That amounts to a conclusive refutation of the relative poverty theory of criminogenesis, at least with respect to 330 million Americans.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @nokangaroos
  61. @Z-man

    Decades ago I worked in the cable TV industry, and the start of 24/7 cable TV news had great potential to cover all kinds of otherwise uncovered stories all over the world with independent reporting.

    That went south in a hurry–like the great Motor City turning into a desolate wasteland.

    • Thanks: Z-man
  62. FvS says:
    @Thomasina

    But…but…muh gunpowder! Meanwhile…

    And in the 1960’s when European Americans were watching The Andy Griffith Show, the Chinese were eating each other…and not out of starvation. LOL
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  63. @Alfred

    The author’s take on the Marshall Plan struck me as a major flaw. A small number of the wealthy and powerful indeed benefitted greatly from it, and it’s reasonable to assume that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

    It seems naive, possibly even neurotically subordinate, to think that pure benevolence is reliably a main motivating factor among the wealthy and powerful. But I suppose that assertion leaves me open to the charge of having an envious mindset…

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @HdC
  64. @Sollipsist

    Pure benevolence is easy to spot–for starters the giver does not want their name associated with the building, scholarship, etc. that was donated. It would be truly anonymous.

    They also avoid gatherings of the rich and powerful where they can be “seen” as one of them.

    They also avoid any public claims of “virtue” or public support of politically correct causes.

    The rich who put their name on everything and are publicity seekers are egomaniacs at a minimum–dangerous ones in some cases.

    Conclusion: The only rich people you have ever heard of are the jerks.

    • Agree: Alfred
  65. Trinity says:

    I see Bill O’LIElly’s name has been brought up. Not long before that asshole was booted from (((Fox News))) for some kind of sex scandal he had David Duke on his program. I never saw anyone so rude to Duke before and that is saying a lot considering all the barbs that Duke has taken sparring with (((television talk show hosts))) over the years. O’LIElly even scoffed at the idea of a NAAWP and thought is was ridiculous for a White man to be concerned for his own people.

    O’LIElly is the type of White man who is more to blame than any Black or even the Jew for the destruction of TRADITIONAL AMERICA.

  66. @Z-man

    Dolly Parton won’t need to tell people that she has teats!!!

    Tsktsktsk…

    • Replies: @Z-man
  67. martin_2 says:
    @Petermx

    The only reason that Singapore and Hong kong have flourished is precisely because they had the benefit of British rule. They introduced institutions and a legal framework in the British style, which made a modern capitalist economy possible.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @dogbumbreath
    , @Petermx
  68. Bert33 says:

    ‘Wealth’ is relative, if you have just the right amount, are you rich or poor or well-off or ‘just right’?
    How much is ‘enough’? Do you need to have uncountable billions like corporate executives, does there come a point when too much material worth in goods, property, r money, becomes an albatross around your neck? Does the home then own YOU? Be civil to others, be they richer or poorer than you. Life is not fair and people with more goods than you may be miserable as a result of their effort to gain. There are tradeoffs and no paycheck is worth a heart attack.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  69. @Negrolphin Pool

    No, it doesn’t at all, you idiot. You don’t know what comparison or refutation means. My god are you an idiot.

    • LOL: Negrolphin Pool
  70. @FvS

    Those European Americans who landed in the Mayflower would have died of starvation if not for the helpful, pathologically altruistic native Indians who taught them how to plant corn and survive in the environment of the New World. And how did the whites act? Kept their head down, stayed quiet, keeping their innate cunning, greed and vile intentions hidden from the natives while learning from the Indians all they could until they needed them no more to show their true face and pounce on the natives to annihilate them and take over their living space. Who should envy whom or why?

    • Replies: @FvS
  71. @Vergissmeinnicht

    I disagree with the other comments. You are right. As Sailer has been pointing out for 30 years, race is just a very big, very extended, somewhat inbred family.

    So yeah, it would be dumb to argue over whether my mother is superior to yours, or to claim my mother is objectively the top mother in the world. But it is acceptable to say you love your mother because she’s your mother and she’s the best mother in the world to you.

  72. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    ‘Doesn’t need’ that’s the correct way to say it Wang Chung.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  73. gabon 45 says:
    @obwandiyag

    nonsense – in NYC – before the black migration to the north – there was extreme rich and poor as well as a middle class –

    Jews / Asians / Italians / Irish / Germans – for the most part – no muggings / rapes / burning buildings / looting stores. why?

    This type of social behavior was alien to any of these races and cultures.

    This is a black phenomena due to very low IQ and the associated limiting culture and marginal work ethic that come with extremely low IQ – they recognize the fact they have no chance of overcoming their reactive mind to stimulus since there is no capacity for analytics. There is no hope for uSA.

    … which is why China / Koreans / Japanese do not allow the blacks to become citizens to avoid any long term problems

  74. Avery says:
    @martin_2

    {….because they had the benefit of British rule. }

    Then why hasn’t India flourished?
    They also had British rule.
    Clearly, there is more than one variable that determines which societies flourish and which don’t.

    And if you compare India and China now, China has clearly left India in the dust.

  75. @AaronB

    For most of history, most cultures did not feel that accomplishment in the material world was the point of life. In fact they scorned excessive preoccupation with this kind of accomplishment.

    You never disappoint. Anything to tear down Christiandom, no matter how dopey. Humans, guy, are acquisitive. If they don’t have manufactures to acquire, they acquire wives, or cows, or scalps, or feathers in their caps.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Daemon
  76. AaronB says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Nothing to do with Christianity – the Faustian culture of the modern period is obviously anti Christian.

    Acquisitiveness is a universal human trait. Faustian culture – in other words, endless acquisitiveness without limit – is an unusual thing that first arose in Europe in the modern period.

    But it has since spread over the entire globe, and I am not “blaming” European culture for it. Everyone appears to have succumbed to this disease. No one has resisted. China today has perhaps the most acute version of this disease.

    Europeans are no more at fault, then Asians are because the Black Death originated among them.

    This disease clearly doesn’t distinguish among groups, wherever it originated.

    In Christian terms, Faustian culture is a “power and principality”, a supra-hunan “force” that has to be fought on that level. The enemy isn’t a people or a culture, but an attitude towards life.

  77. AaronB says:
    @Exile

    American Indians had specific cultural values that emphasized restraint, limitations on acquisitiveness, and a level of harmony with the natural world, of which they saw themselves as part.

    It’s true that they had an impact on the natural landscape and shaped it and changed it, and thus was sometimes destructive, but mostly, they did not encourage reckless and limitless exploitation of it. It is also true they had a natural human acquisitiveness as well, but it was not limitless.

    Modern Faustian European culture, encouraged limitless exploitation of natural resources, and explicitly valued breaking of all natural bounds and limits.

    Not were the Indians envious of European life when they first encountered it – they thought it the life of a slave; chained endless hard work to secure superfluous and unnecessary things, in a harsh and unfree social hierarchy. Their own life was free and happier.

    The Chinese certainly had a greedy, materialistic, and acquisitive streak – but similarly, this was limited. A man might strive to become rich, but then he would retire to enjoy life.

    The idea of limitless and boundless acquisitiveness, of never relaxing to enjoy your wealth but constantly working for more, is unique to Faustian culture.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Mevashir
  78. @Negrolphin Pool

    I´d say Obi-wan offered what is called a “testable hypothesis”.
    Were I to venture a guess, Gini and murder should correlate on the order of +0.5.

    Yours amounts neither to “conclusive” nor a “refutation” at all
    (look up “independent variable” if you have a problem).

    • Agree: Jake Dee
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  79. FvS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Haha, I’m sure you believe that, but the actual history is slightly more complicated.

  80. Not sure you have the Marshall Plan right.

    From what I’ve read the plan was twofold:

    1. to reduce the attraction of Soviet propaganda, by demonstrating that the US wasn’t an imperial overlord but a friend, and that the capitalist model that it offered produced material comfort/security/prosperity;

    2. to put dollars in the hands of others, who would then use those dollars to purchase either American goods or raw materials; this promoted the circulation and use of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, which was a key US policy aim (your currency can’t be the reserve currency if nobody has any to spend or invest); those dollars then either came back to US banks or were invested in US financial assets, so the US got back what it gave anyway.

    O/T: This sort of thing shows just how much more clever our grandparents and great-grandparents were than the miseducated degenerates at the financial controls these days. Perhaps you could turn your talents to explaining how we got to where we are, given those same grandparents and great-grandparents weren’t able to transmit their knowledge, their experience and their values to their children, so that our society has found itself trapped in an ever-degenerating swamp.

  81. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    A dumb Honkie living in mother’s basement? LOL !!!

  82. gotmituns says:
    @AaronB

    Not were the Indians envious of European life when they first encountered it – they thought it the life of a slave; chained endless hard work to secure superfluous and unnecessary things, in a harsh and unfree social hierarchy. Their own life was free and happier.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    They might’ve been happier but they wanted what the Whites had because it made their hard lives easier.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  83. Thomasina says:
    @barr

    No one is envious of the Chinese, no wish for ill will. The Chinese elite aligned themselves with the Western elite, copied the Western world, and now it’s China’s turn to run on the treadmill. We’re supposed to envy that? Have at it.

    If there IS any anger directed towards the Chinese, it is misplaced anger. The real anger ought to be directed at the traitors who sold out their fellow Americans in order to further enrich themselves.

    These are the traitors who pretend and say out loud that they do not like China, who get the natives all stirred up in order to deflect blame away from themselves, but behind closed doors at the gentlemen’s club, they’re laughing. And the Chinese elite also know it’s all pretend, part of the show.

    The Chinese elite know that the ONLY way the U.S. comes after them would be if they don’t play ball nicely and follow the orders of the Western elite. Since they’re also busy enriching themselves, do you think there’s any chance they don’t play nicely? Not a chance.

    China should thank those traitors, maybe erect some statues in their honor, for without them, China would not be where they are. China is Western-made.

    • Replies: @barr
    , @anon
    , @Deep Thought
  84. Daemon says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Acquisitiveness is naturally balanced out by the fear of envy of others as described in this very article. Christianity having dealt with the envy portion, left acquisitiveness to essentially run unchecked. The guy ain’t wrong.

  85. AaronB says:
    @gotmituns

    Interestingly, it seems to have been the other way around. The Indians led lives of relative leisure compared to Europeans. One of the main things Indians criticized European culture for, was that they worked extremely hard, for things that were superfluous.

    Sure, technology is supposed to be the invention of labor saving devices. The problem is, the Faustian mindset that invents technology, does not believe in “enough”. So you can’t invent a labor saving device, and relax and enjoy the fruits of your labor. You must immediately work on the next thing.

    The Faustian mindset, is to be on an endless treadmill.

    Have you ever wondered why even though we’ve invented all these marvelous labor saving devices, we work harder than ever? Or why, it’s notorious that people in developed countries work much harder than people in undeveloped ones? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

    Well, there’s your answer.

    • Agree: Thomasina
  86. @martin_2

    The only reason that Singapore and Hong kong have flourished is precisely because they had the benefit of British rule. They introduced institutions and a legal framework in the British style, which made a modern capitalist economy possible.

    How are you measuring flourished? Have you been to Hong Kong to see how regular people live (pre handover agreement and post handover)? Have you spent time with regular working families? You’re repeating the propaganda “cool-aid”. People there do not have a good life by first World standards (i.e. Scandinavia, Switzerland, Germany, Italy etc..). When the British were in charge, life was much worse than now. During British rule, housing was a nightmare. Jobs were scarce. People ate instant noodles to make ends meet. Ever heard of Kowloon City. That happened under British rule:

    https://tekdeeps.com/kowloon-slums-in-hong-kong-the-creepy-story-of-the-most-dangerous-area-where-even-the-police-were-afraid-to-enter/

    Hong Kong is a “rent-seeking” paradise where people work 10 hrs plus (Monday to Friday) to try and pay off an overpriced shoe box (over 1 million USD average) and have weekends off to gorge on huge amounts of food and shop in underground malls devoid of natural sunlight. If you think this is life then you are a fool.

  87. SafeNow says:

    Insightful, engaging, interesting comments; these made me envious – – why didn’t I think of that? But then I thought of something I could add. As the blue states continue to unravel, people there will look at functional red States, and feel envious. There will be a massive self-segregation in the U.S., and it will be based upon envy.

  88. anarchyst says:
    @Z-man

    Hannity is just as bad…if not worse.
    One of the biggest shills for israel and the “deep state” is hannity. On hannity’s radio show, a caller asked him about the deliberate israeli attack on the USS liberty (GTR-5) on 8 June 1967. Hannity abruptly cut off the caller and declared that “israel is our “friend” and never would have done such a thing”. I dam near fell out of my chair when I heard THAT.
    On another front, 8 June 2017 was the fiftieth anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5). Normally, the fiftieth anniversary of any event rates at least a mention in the mainstream media. Not so for the USS Liberty (GTR-5). There was not a peep from the so-called “mainstream media” about this “act of war” by our “friend and ally”, israel.
    This is merely more proof of who owns the “mainstream media”. Hint: It isn’t gentiles…

    • Replies: @Z-man
  89. @Vergissmeinnicht

    There is NO such thing as a primitive society.

    Reminds me of a Mexican joke, as recounted in Conversations With Moctezuma, by Dick Reavis. And by Mexican joke, I mean a joke told by Mexicans. One guy says, “Poor Mexico. The gringos took half our land.” The other one replies, “Yes, and they took the half with all the paved roads.”
    Some societies are more developed than others. And some less developed. Or, you know, more primitive. Like the ones without air forces. Or paved roads.

  90. @Vergissmeinnicht

    True. Natural selection chose those most endowed with aggression, greed, murderousness and sanctimonious hypocrisy, and least endowed with empathy and compassion, and-hey presto!-Western Man. It is an evolutionary dead-end of course, once technology reaches the stage where the Western ‘bellum omnium contra omnes’ climaxes in ‘omnes-cide’. That is, now.

  91. @Justvisiting

    Whereas, in the past, any sign of wealth attracted European thugs, to murder, steal, dispossess and colonise. It’s a matter of degree. Western Man is only satisfied with BIG crimes.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  92. @anyone with a brain

    ‘…the jew’ (small case?). They are ALL exactly the same, are they? Puerile idiocy.

    • Agree: René Fries
  93. barr says:
    @Thomasina

    “Chinese, it is misplaced anger. The real anger ought to be directed at the traitors who sold out their fellow Americans in order to further enrich themselves.”
    But isnt that the nature of ambition,greed,self -service ,and above all capitalism?
    We may like and may want it to be otherwise but it never will be . We may get deeply in thoughts that the nation,religion,community we inhabit are going to be immutable enjoying collective stability for generations to come. We may look at these and label them as traitors. In the broad scheme of things,we are as transients as were the Roman citizen who looked with horors at the importation of foreign cultures,habits,religions,and even leaders born in foreign countries or occupied countries and saw the enormous expenditure of the wealth and human blood for unnecessary wars.
    Did they sale Italy to Germany or Britain or to Syria?

    A new Europe was born whcih we want to see stay immutable and fixed .But it also will face slow and drastic changes .

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  94. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomasina

    Wow, another second-to-none white genius!!! LOL!!!

    • Thanks: Thomasina
    • Replies: @anon
  95. JackOH says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB, good comment.

    “One of the main things Indians criticized European culture for, was that they worked extremely hard, for things that were superfluous.” I’m not a moral philosopher, but there ought to be a good literature on the consequences of superfluity, excess, “too-much-ness”. There’s King Crimson: “Nothing he’s got he really needs”. from “21st Century Schizoid Man”.

    ” . . . marvelous labor saving devices . . .”. Yes. There’s at least one skein of thought out there that has it that technology disempowers and dumbs down those who are its apparent beneficiaries. I think the idea is that new technology obsoletes skills that had been relatively commonplace; new tech lures its beneficiaries into behaviors whose ill consequences are not clear, and so on.

    Years ago I toured a housing development so distant from ordinary commercial amenities, you’d have to drive a few miles to buy milk and bread. I don’t think Henry Ford envisioned the car as driving ever more need for a car to do ordinary business.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  96. Thomasina says:
    @barr

    You’re probably Chinese and, if you are, you’re probably living in the West.

    Yeah, come and talk to me when China is overrun by foreigners – or when Israel is – or Japan.

    Of course nations can be stable generation after generation after generation. If not for traitors who could care less about their citizens, countries and nations could flourish. Selling out your country DOES NOT have to be the outcome. It actually takes tremendous force to destroy nations (as in a lot of money changing hands and people looking the other way).

    And look at the destruction to the planet. Over a billion people in both China and India, and Africa set to explode. The capitalist destroyers must be rubbing their hands together. “Make room for the excess.”

    None of this is by accident. The traitors should be strung up for destroying countries.

    • Replies: @Barr
  97. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You are very welcome, LOL !!!

  98. @nokangaroos

    Does Gini explain the murder rate better than the proportion of blacks?

    Hint: The answer is no. And, as you allude to, it’s not even close.

    The refutation is as close to conclusive as you get in social data. By refutation here, I mean that the relationship is specious because the much weaker Gini predictor is covariant with the much stronger predictor of proportion of black residents.

    Frankly, that should have been quite clear.

    Moreover, we have good reason to believe that the proportion of black residents is causally related to the Gini coefficient, indeed that the former largely drives the latter, though it is admittedly a complex question. The “Gini is best predictor of violent crime” hypothesis is refuted in the sense that it is demonstrated to be specious. It’s specious because the fact that the Gini coefficient predicts crime at all, at least in the United States, is an artifact of its own strong correlation with the proportion of black residents.

    If you think that’s not true, ask yourself how much more powerful a model would be that used both the Gini coefficient and the proportion of black residents. If the proportion of black residents explains a statistically near-unheard of 85% of the variance in violent crime, how much do you reckon the Gini coefficient will add to that in a multi-predictor model? 5% would be a charitable guess.

    As a reminder to some here who are obviously unversed in statistics, R^2 literally means the percentage of the variance in the observed sample that can be explained by the predictor variable. This means using the above numbers that, at most, the Gini coefficient could only explain an additional 15% of the variance*. And that is operating on the absurd hypothesis that the Gini coefficient and proportion of black residents explains all the variance in violent crime, which it clearly doesn’t because crime exists both where blacks don’t and where inequality is relatively small.

    What we do have is a Gini coefficient that is driven by the proportion of blacks. We also have a readily plausible hypothesis on causality within that relationship, namely that blacks exhibit few of the traits known to produce economic success amid a backdrop of the richest or formerly richest country on Earth.

    *Unz didn’t actually arrive at an R^2 of .9. I believe it was .8 or .85. But he gave reasons as to why his own estimate may well have been conservative. I haven’t read the article in like 3 years. But even .8 is so staggeringly high that the arguments are unaffected. I don’t feel like wading back through the methodological weeds. So use .8 if you’d like.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  99. Barr says:
    @Thomasina

    I don’t know what makes you think I am Chinese .I am no where near that ethnic group. But I know that Trump has caused serious brain damages to a lot by his hyperbole and the mindset of seeking out at any cost to the truth a villain to unload his genre’s( he is a category and he tops the list ) incapacity to comprehend the basic ideas.

  100. The Marschell Plan was not about altruism. There is no such thing as altruism. There is always a selfish payoff for our good deed’s. Yes, the Marschell plan was extraordinarily successful assisting Europe to rebuild but it also made it difficult for the Europeans not to support the patrician of Israel. The altruism of the Marschell plan was not extended to Russia for good reasons.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  101. Uncle Sam says:

    In the context of black/white relations, the author is certainly right. Most blacks know, in their heart of hearts, that they are not on the same level as whites. They know whites are more advanced, more intelligent, better looking, more successful, more creative and more productive. This frustrates them because they are intrinsically not capable of performing like whites. To compound matters, they know they cannot survive and prosper without whites holding them by the hand. That is why they want to live around whites, integrate with whites and try to enter white countries illegally.

    The end result is jealousy and then hatred. That explains the antagonism and violence directed against whites. It also explains the irrational attitude concerning police shootings of blacks as well total disregard of the law, facts and evidence involved in such cases.

    Altho there are certainly exceptions, the vast majority of blacks cannot and should not live in white countries. Unless the races are separated, we are headed for a bloody race war. Anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fool’s paradise. So it is a moral imperative for both races to separate.

    The last 60 years has shown that you cannot make whites out of blacks, despite the enormous effort to do so. In fact, under most parameters, blacks are worse off now than they were under segregation or before the civil rights movement began.

    White America is rapidly reaching the point, if it hasn’t already, wherein it will have to choose between its survival on the one hand and on the other hurting black peoples feelings or perhaps some thing much worse.

    I might add parenthetically that this same jealousy and hatred is directed toward Asians, largely because they know that they cannot compete intellectually with Asians.

  102. Z-man says:
    @anarchyst

    Oh yeah, Hannity is worse than O’Reilly. He is the biggest Zionist boot licker on TV.
    Our ‘bestest’ friend Izra-hell. Sure NOT.

  103. Mevashir says: • Website

    BLANKET BS OF THE BLANK BLANC BLOC

    I would like to offer some observations to the Whining White Wictims who cackle so loudly on this website. White is Blanc in French, hence the alliterative title.

    I would like to make three points. RU has been censoring me heavily lately, so I don’t know if this comment will post but I hope it does. I think it is extremely important:

    1. Whites present themselves as a unified block, but nothing could be further from the truth. Any honest examination of European history over the last two thousand years will show a continent racked with incessant warfare and ethnic slaughter. The Catholic Church was a moderating influence on this evil behavior, but not perfectly and often very imperfectly. English and French were constantly at war. Germans and Poles. Italians and Greeks. Russians against other Slavs. So your claim to be a singular unified family unit is tragically and laughably false.

    2. I don’t think anybody hates whites because of the color of their skin or their physique or physiognomy. The simple reason there’s so much resentment towards whites is because of their arrogance. For the last five hundred years since the time of the Renaissance and Reformation, European whites have presented themselves as culturally superior to everyone else on Earth. On top of that they treated other races and ethnic groups with tremendous condescension, claiming to desire their improvement via missionary activities and colonial settlements. (This is not even to mention the industrial scale genocide European White’s perpetrated against indigenous peoples all across the globe, all in the name of their cultural and religious superiority!) But after five hundred years the world looks back and sees that white Europeans used this flowery rhetoric as a smokescreen for the fact that they simply wanted to help themselves to the resources and manpower of everyone else in the world. That is the simple and clear reason why people resent white culture today. Because of their arrogance. Their condescension. And their hypocrisy.

    3. This website promotes a lot of revisionist ideas. Reluctantly I have examined — both here and on other websites over the last 10 years or so — many of these revisionist claims. I have come to see merit in some of them. I’ve even come to see that Hitler was a great leader for his people. As a Jewish person, I am willing to acknowledge these things even though it has imperiled my standing with relatives friends and other people in the larger Jewish community. I paid the price for being truthful and honest. Now I would exhort the white whiners on this website to do the same thing and to examine your own history and culture with a critical eye. I’m curious to see if you even have a conscience at all. You seem to excel in portraying yourselves as victims and constantly blaming other people for your own shortcomings and failings.

    As unattractive as this victimization mentality is, it does have a silver lining. If you continue with this negative mindset, your vanishing political and social influence will only accelerate because nobody likes negative messaging. Any business school graduate will tell you that the worst way to market a product is by emphasizing the negative. Nobody will buy such a product and nobody will buy the ideology being promoted here by all the whining white wictims. So I hope you can rise to the challenge of greater honesty and self-scrutiny. I hope you can manifest a conscience. But I’m reassured that if you fail to do these things it will be a sure sign of your coming eradication as a meaningful cultural force.

    SO HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE IT’S A WIN-WIN FOR THE REST OF US. AMEN! 🦃🤠😇

  104. @Negrolphin Pool

    I should add that if you used Unz’s method of breaking out data by zip code you would probably find no correlation or even a negative one between inequality and violent crime; I would expect Englewood, IL, to have dramatically less inequality than somewhere on Long Island, for example.

  105. I wouldn’t trade places with anyone. I’m awesome.

  106. @AaronB

    Yes, this is true, but you’ll have a hard time getting it through the thick skulls of the Unzian STEM-worshipers.

    Once, back on the Audacious Epigone blog, I made the point that machines do not actually “save labor” as is often claimed. They do ameliorate tediousness at the point of use, that much is certain; but they do not reduce labor in general, because a machine economy requires a vastly greater throughput of energy and resources and an almost unimaginably larger investment of brainpower and organizational will to keep the whole thing moving, than does a subsistence economy.

    For example, the STEM-worshipers look at an automobile and only see that driving from A to B requires less effort for you than does walking from A to B. They don’t seem to realize that the very existence of the automobile rests on a whole pyramid of extremely laborious antecedents. It requires the whole automobile manufacturing industry and all the subsidiary industries that make auto parts. It requires the existence of a serviceable road from A to B, without which the automobile is useless. It requires the mining and smelting of iron ore, the pouring and shaping of glass, rubber, plastics, etc. For fuel, it requires the gigantic efforts of the petroleum extraction and refining industries. And we have yet to mention the supervisory tasks of organizing workers and getting them paid, or the brainwork of the finance capitalists who provide the credit wherewithal for these endeavors. Traditional societies have no equivalent of the the investment banker who works 110 hours per week.

    What machines really do, therefore, is not to reduce the total amount of labor required for some given result. Such a thing would be magical and contrary to the laws of thermodynamics. Machines affect something akin to a Bagehotian “maturity transformation” whereby a reservoir of stored, illiquid, surplus capital is quickly liquidated and liberated to be applied at a single point of use. It may seem to save labor within this limited horizon, just as spending on credit makes it seem like you have more money in the short term. But in the one case as in the other, it all eventually has to be paid back.

    For this—I think, rather obvious—observation, I was lambasted worse than for anything else I’ve ever written on this site, which is really saying something. I was called an “idiot” and a “liar” and a “piece of shit,” simply for pointing out something that ought to go without saying, viz. you cannot get something for nothing. My point was hardly original to me; Marshall McLuhan would have considered it patently obvious, as would G. K. Chesterton, Oswald Spengler, James Burnham, Karl Marx, and a host of other thinkers who tried to seriously grapple with the realities of industrial economies. They all understood this; Unzian autists with parental issues, not so much.

    Today we have more machines than ever before, yet we have also have more people working harder than ever before. As you say, if machines saved us labor, it should be the other way around. The machine has exercised a dark tyranny over the human race. Instead of doing the work for us, it has enslaved us. This is the secret of the Faustian will-to-power, hidden in plain sight. Man has become enslaved by his own invention; we now work at the pace of the machine. All our efforts are devoted to keeping up with the machine so that it can exist, so that it can continue to “save us labor.”

    Once this secret is fully realized, it will break the spell of the Faustian will-to-power and cause people to turn away in disgust from machine industry. This is the great catastrophe of our time, as it will bring about the end of the “mass man” and obviate the meaning of existence for the untold millions of useless, despirited, and now superfluous human beings whom the machine kept alive. Just as, in the Roman world, the classical slave existed mainly to be used as a form of money when the supply of fungible objects became inadequate to cover expenses (and most of these were not chattel slaves and did no work at all), so is the Western “worker” in the process of becoming an unnecessary and antiquated type. Wage-work will fade out in the decades to come as the tensions of industrial society break down, and with them the whole tangle of complex economic compromises known as modern finance. There will still be many residues of machine industry in operation, but they will be managed in the same way that a military general manages his supply lines, with eye towards brute effectiveness rather than the mollycoddling of modern neuroses about “job security” and the like. Some industry will live on, but the spirit of the Industrial Revolution—the optimism of science, the yearn to cure social ills, the humanism and FDRism and giant social security systems—all that will be gone.

    This is the future in store for us, which it is not in our power to change. Anybody not talking and thinking about this is simply wasting time.

    • Thanks: Thomasina
  107. Envy? Maybe. “Victim-hood”? I’d say that’s more like it. That is, not actual victims (such as abused and trafficked children or or putting old folks with “covid” on respirators that kill them on purpose), but “victims” who blame everyone else (or a specific group such as whites or Christians…thank you, racist “victim” black supremacists or (in the case of Christians) “victim” Talmudic Jewry!)…who blame everyone else or a specific group of the failures they themselves brought about? Because it isn’t just envy that causes “victimhood”, but also a mode of self-hatred disguised as supremacy. In other words, COWARDOUS, not just envy!

  108. Thomasina says:
    @Mevashir

    Thanks for the perfect example of “projection”: unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don’t like about yourself and attributing them to someone else.

    • LOL: Trinity
  109. The Marschell Plan was not about altruism. There is no such thing as altruism. There is always a selfish payoff for our good deed’s. Yes, the Marschell plan was extraordinarily successful assisting Europe to rebuild but it also made it difficult for the Europeans not to support the patrician of Israel. The altruism of the Marschell plan was not extended to Russia to make it difficult for them to develop.

  110. @Chinaman's Nightmare

    Name calling …. the first recourse of a small intellect.

    China has been around for a long time. She has see lots of young upstart empires come and go.

    Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Arabs, Ottomans, Spanish, Dutch English, and now the latest brash kid bully on the block…the USA.

    China will still be around when the USA is but a chapter in the history books.

    I wish there was a way for us to wager on this. How about \$1000?. Please advise me of any reputable institution that we use to make this wager.

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  111. @Mevashir

    Many whites here on UR justify colonialism by stating the obvious fact that tribes always warred and conquered each other. Well the immigrants, the new colonists, could use the same arguments to justify their invasions. In fact there are parallels between how whites initially colonised North America by stealth rather than conquest and only started using violent means later on as they expanded their territory, as well as spreading their Christian religion, which they considered superior to native religions, by missionary work or otherwise. The Muslims colonising Europe are doing much the same and are also on a missionary trip of spreading their, by them superior, religion in Europe. If one considers how many churches have been converted to mosques in Western Europe the religious replacement is well on the way. And the violence of the new colonists is only in its early stage with sporadic individual acts of what is for now called “terrorism”. Will this evolve into wars of conquest for more territory and forced religious conversion as the numbers of new colonists rise much as it did when whites were colonising the New World? Most white supremacists don’t believe in rights and justice but power and force so really why are they complaining when they become the victims? It’s just the natural order of things and if other races, even despite their low IQ, but by sheer strength of numbers, cunning and conniving, ethnic solidarity, and by whatever other means gain the upper hand then it was meant to be so why complain? At least that’s how it should be according to the arguments they present to justify their own conquests and colonisation. Muslims also think they’re actually doing good by converting people to their “superior” religion just like Christian missionaries did when they were accompanying the colonists around the world, and they don’t understand why someone should hold fast to, or even be willing to die for, what is to them a clearly “inferior” religion.

    BTW Linh Dinh has banned me from his blog so I can’t join the discussions on his blog where lately you raised some important points, especially about the role of UR. I see you were thinking of leaving this site and a few others have done that in the past. PeterAUS had similar misgivings as you and left the site for a while but is now back. I guess there aren’t many other places for free speech style debate, although censorship is creeping in here too, now that we spend more time in these virtual pubs during the pandemic, or plandemic. If you know of any other such internet bars where one can debate freely about relevant issues do give the links. Sure they’re all spied on, that’s just the way it is.

  112. Barr says:
    @AaronB

    “ As already stated, the best way to overcome envy is to have goals of one’s own. Once a man begins to concentrate on achieving something through his own efforts, invidious comparisons with others begin to seem like distractions. He loses interest in them”
    There is a serious truth to this claim.
    When goals set by other are achieved , an emptiness envelops the mind . It doesn’t have to be set by other .We might decide that we have to get the same result , reach same height, achieve same fame like the person next door . Once that is done , we don’t feel at peace . We find emptiness . But a set of goals defined and targeted out of curiosity, interest , or real widespread need offer a different mental reward when achieved .

    Second :
    Competition has a negative element that is jealousy . Jealousy is not part of the activity . It is caked in the bake of the panoply of the secondary events and developments that follow the success at the completion of the activity.

    As example we can think of the endorsement , advertisement, celebrity status. opinion making , and power of influencing that follow winning Oscar or professional baseball or grand slam .

    • Replies: @AaronB
  113. @Z-man

    Yes. That is correct, and formal, English but English is my 2nd language.

    Still, it is nice to know that my mistake in the use of the English language has caused you to lose sight of your balls.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  114. @Thomasina

    China should thank those traitors, maybe erect some statues in their honor, for without them, China would not be where they are. China is Western-made.

    I had already replied to your post BEFORE your submitted it!!! 😀

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-envy-causes-racial-conflict/#comment-5019264

  115. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    That was actually a funny reply but you have to get your mind off my balls. LOL 😆

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  116. @littlereddot

    Who, me name calling, no! But it improves your handle, don’t think?

    And a thousand dollars bet? Why would risk the future of your clan working 80 hours a week and bringing home paltry 100 yuan? You’re a naughty girl!

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  117. @Deep Thought

    Thot

    Your inferiority complex vis a vis Indians must be very alarming to Chinaman She and the politburo. You must work hard to raise your self-esteem. If you allow Tibet to become an independent and neutral country, it will help with your prestige in the world because right now your reputation is very low due to your leadership molesting the tennis players.Taiwan for Tibet. Is that a deal?

    CN

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  118. HdC says:
    @Sollipsist

    Reading about the Marshall Plan perhaps 50 years a go or so, the narrative stated how the money was spent in the different recipient countries.
    Germany stood out in this regard because the German government spent that money to speed up the rebuilding of the civil infrastructure, beginning with the bridges over the Rhein and other rivers.

    • Replies: @Petermx
  119. @Z-man

    Look back at the post. You are the one who put your mind, and words, on your balls. My mind is on Dolly’s teats. Your balls can never match them– in size or shape!! 😀

    • Replies: @Z-man
  120. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    No it’s your fixation. U like big white women aye, Wang Chung? Those Dolly jugs gotta be hanging kinda low now…

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  121. Petermx says:
    @martin_2

    I believe that but I think by becoming independent they have been able to achieve much more.

  122. @Z-man

    No need for “fixation”– Just some rational thinking.

    In order to properly appreciate Dolly’s big and beautiful teats, I need something small and ugly to compare them with. Once you offered your balls on a platter, I can find no better comparison!! 😀

    Now, there is no escape for your balls– because I can’t get Dolly’s teats off my mind! LOL

    Those Dolly jugs gotta be hanging kinda low now…

    So, what does that say about the height your balls are hanging… Tsktsktsk…

  123. Truth says:
    @Deep Thought

    Dolly Parton won’t need to tell people that she has teats!!!

    Still, it is nice to know that my mistake in the use of the English language has caused you to lose sight of your balls.

    That was actually a funny reply but you have to get your mind off my balls. LOL

    Look back at the post. You are the one who put your mind, and words, on your balls. My mind is on Dolly’s teats. Your balls can never match them– in size or shape!! 😀

    No it’s your fixation. U like big white women aye, Wang Chung? Those Dolly jugs gotta be hanging kinda low now…

    So, what does that say about the height your balls are hanging… Tsktsktsk…

    Well, it’s 500 years early, but I guess Mr. Judge was right about the audience for the #1 TV show in America…

    OK gentlemen, continue your witty repartee, and I will pop open a Brawdo and continue reading along…

  124. @Deep Thought

    You guys need to take your conversation elsewhere. You’re cluttering up the thread with this bullshit.

    • Replies: @Truth
  125. Petermx says:
    @HdC

    I remember things differently. I remember hearing frequently that Germany received Marshall Plan money but never hearing Great Britain and France received Marshall Plan money and that they actually received much more money than Germany. I did not learn until many years later that Great Britain and France also received aid. For a few decades Germany was doing comparatively well (70’s and 80’s) and the US was jealous of Germany and Japan’s success so they said they built up their former enemies who were outperforming the US, or so some people thought.

  126. Truth says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hey guys, ignore Telly, he’s one of those pencil-neck nerds, not a cool sexy jock like us!

    He does some kind of brainiac, intellectual, rocket-science, shit for his paycheck, like managing a McDonalds.

    • Agree: Deep Thought
    • LOL: Z-man
  127. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    What’s with this teats shit, ‘write like a man!’ It’s Dolly’s tits!
    As far as my hanging jewels, actually I’ve been complimented on the relatively tight, young looking sack I have for my age. It makes my chest swell with pride. LOL

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  128. AaronB says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Excellent point.

    I remember you making that comment, and I too was irritated at it 🙂 I thought you were defending typical conservative capitalist “work-worship” – worldliness and materialism – and I had recently decided that technological development had reached a point freeing us from pointless drudge work.

    It’s a good reminder, that you should always understand what someone is arguing against, and not consider his argument in a vacuum. I did not realize you were arguing against technology in favor of a simpler lifestyle.

    The idea that technology requires a whole infrastructure of support, and must be analyzed as a system, and this may require more actual labor overall than simple work to sustain oneself, is a good point.

    It dovetails nicely with the fact that the Faustian mentality, can never achieve sufficiency, but after each new invention, strive for “more”.

    In both cases, human interest and energy is sacrificed to the Machine.

    I am not surprised you were attacked so fiercely for attacking the Machine – this shows what we today really worship, what our true God is, and what we will sacrifice ourselves for.

    I had a similar experience on Anatoly Karlins blog from some commenters, like Daniel Chieh and Tritelia Laxa. The worst personal attacks and vicious attempts to shut me up, and even wishing me dead, only came when I started to really question the Machine and the mentality behind it.

    Daniel Chieh was an interesting case – most worshipers of the Machine will not openly admit what they are doing it, or even be fully conscious of it. Chieh was open in his worship of the Machines, and even practiced magic to control the physical world.

    Instead of doing the work for us, it has enslaved us. This is the secret of the Faustian will-to-power, hidden in plain sight. Man has become enslaved by his own invention; we now work at the pace of the machine. All our efforts are devoted to keeping up with the machine so that it can exist, so that it can continue to “save us labor.”

    Yes, I agree with this. It’s a strange state of affairs – we sacrifice ourselves for the Machine, rather than limit it and utilize it in a way that benefits human interests. It’s quite remarkable – the underlying premise of the Faustian world view, is that we must sacrifice ourselves for the Machine – for technological progress.

    Writers from Lewis Mumford to Jacques Ellul, have made similar points (writers I have just begun to read).

    Once this secret is fully realized, it will break the spell of the Faustian will-to-power and cause people to turn away in disgust from machine industry

    I hope you are right. But if the Machine is a sacred object, then people may see it as natural to be sacrificed to it.

    On the other hand, the entire thing may be unconscious – brought to light, the spell may be broken, that is true.

    This is the great catastrophe of our time, as it will bring about the end of the “mass man” and obviate the meaning of existence for the untold millions of useless, despirited, and now superfluous human beings whom the machine kept alive

    Yes, this is why people react with such rage and panic when you challenge the Machine – their existential rug is bring pulled out from under them, what gave their life meaning and purpose.

    Some industry will live on, but the spirit of the Industrial Revolution—the optimism of science, the yearn to cure social ills, the humanism and FDRism and giant social security systems—all that will be gone.

    Yes, and we are already seeing this. 19th and 20th century faith in the salvation that science will provide – even the faith of ten years ago – is distingetrating before our eyes.

    It is the great wrenching dislocation of our times – this old Story that has captivated us for 500 years, is vanishing.

    Surely there is no greater drama today. It’s like when Nietzsche said God is dead but no one heard the news yet.

    Similarly, a Steve Sailer continues to chatter about science as if it’s 1995, but the Machine is already dead, and it’s corpse rotting.

    This is the future in store for us, which it is not in our power to change. Anybody not talking and thinking about this is simply wasting time.

    Agree.

    We are undergoing one of those cataclysmic moments where mankind is shifting to a new Story – to hear people chatter on as if the old pieties and verities remain undisturbed, is a surreal experience.

    To borrow a little more from Nietzsche, our idols are hollow – is the era of The Twilight of the Idos – and all that is needed to expose this, is a little knock with a hammer that exposes their hollowness.

    Ironically, though, Nietzsche’s dead God, in some form or another, will undergo a resurrection 🙂

  129. AaronB says:
    @JackOH

    Thanks.

    I think that’s quite correct. Technology, which is supposed to give us mastery, actually reduces our personal ability to successfully interact with the natural world.

    I take trips into the wilderness a lot, and it is a great and empowering joy, to be free from the assistance of technology for a while, and to fend for myself.

    I’m not a moral philosopher, but there ought to be a good literature on the consequences of superfluity, excess, “too-much-ness”. There’s King Crimson: “Nothing he’s got he really needs”. from “21st Century Schizoid Man”.

    Oh, there is indeed a vast literature 🙂 All spiritual traditions write about this extensively, and there are also many independent spiritual writers like Thoreau, Montaigne, etc, who write about this also.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  130. denk says:
    @Z-man

    Zman, chinanightmare, bombthe3gorges, raga10, maddog….

    Speaking of culling I made this brilliant post a few days ago.

    “Ideally 500 million Asiatics would be eliminated along with 500 million negros in Africa and 500 million south Asians.

    Great men think alike…
    YOu’r in very distinguished companies…

    [MORE]

    FUK
    Jack London

    China’s population must be seven hundred millions, eight hundred millions, nobody knew how many millions, but at any rate it would soon be a billion. There were two Chinese for every white-skinned human in the world… There was talk of all countries putting bounties on children to increase the birth rate, but it was laughed to scorn by the arithmeticians, who pointed out that China was too far in the lead in that direction.

    The Western nations set aside their differences and mobilized. The mission was for containment. Biological warfare did the dirty work—a pretty grim end.

    Five years and hundreds of millions of treasure were consumed, and then the world moved in—

    After Western nations repopulated the desolate land that was China…

    Prince Philip

    “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels,

    [The royal’s distastes of slitty eye chicoms are well known]

    Australia,
    Nobel Prize-winning Australian microbiologist Sir Macfarlane Burnet

    Its imperative that we develop bio-weapons for use against the ‘overpopulated countries of South-East Asia.’

    FUS
    Obama

    “the Earth can’t substain 1.4 billion Chinese having the same living standard as American and Australian, so we can’t allow China to be rich

    Anglo Saxon obsession with the yellow peril are well documented

    Thats why they have this task force, FUKUSA [obfuscated as AUKUS] to carry out this
    Anglo Saxon Mission.

    China will catch a cold….

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_endgame10.htm

  131. JackOH says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB, thanks. I’d forgotten Lewis Mumford, although I still have several of his books hiding somewhere. There’s Ivan Illich’s oeuvre. Montaigne, for me, always provides worldly wisdom.

    I think many of us know people–including ourselves–who’ve become selective “de-consumers”, “tech-skeptics”, “under-spenders”, etc. They’re–we’re–not a constituency, not a movement.

    I think Europe at one time inadvertently mitigated the worst aspects of consumerism/consumptionism through value-added taxes on consumption, regulated retail sales hours, the onetime common practice of shunning consumer credit in favor of saving up for major purchases, even cars.

    I occasionally send postcards to people and merchants. Old-fashioned picture postcards with a 15-word handwritten note. “Great service fixing my watchband”; “The show was great. Cast deserves a lot of credit”. The recipients are delighted, often extraordinarily so.. I don’t know what it means. I think it says something that old-fashioned paper-and-pen technology seems to have more impact than an e-mail or phone call.

    Thanks again for commenting.

    • Thanks: AaronB
  132. denk says:
    @Al Ross

    Sorry , may be you’r the rare case.

    But gringo mugs do like Indian cow dung.

    This is a true story, UNZ vet can testify to it.

    [MORE]

    ———-

    Prologue

    PIlger

    gringo mug are like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed BS all day long

    ————-

    Indian to his gringo mates

    If not for us , Nepal would be gobbled up by China long ago

    gringo being fed BS is bad enough, they dont deserve this crap.
    I tried to help…

    If not for China, Nepal would be swallowed up by Indian long ago, like Sikkim and bHutan

    FIFY

    Guess what ?
    The idiots deleted all my posts and called me Tianamen butcher !

    Sorry,
    Gringo and Indians do deserve each other.

  133. Mevashir says:
    @AaronB

    I agree. It is weird that the author of this essay indict blacks and other underprivileged groups for having envy when the entire American economic system is built upon envy, induced by advertising, which creates a culture of acquisitiveness greed and insatiable unhappiness. All foisted on the entire world in the name of progress!

    This culture of envy and greed is unique to white civilization or at least perfected by it using every diabolical tool of science and technology to constantly stoke the fires of greed and unhappiness.

    You are to be commended for seeking a way out of it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  134. I remember hearing an anecdote about a hunter gatherer group. If a young man caught an especially large specimen, the other men would play it down,

    “It’s not so big. Maybe even on the tiny side.”

    This was supposedly for the benefit of group cohesion as they did not want the young man to become too cocky. I wonder if it was a real prosocial custom, or a product of envy.

  135. @Z-man

    What’s with this teats shit, ‘write like a man!’ It’s Dolly’s tits!

    You have progressed and not lost sight of your balls this time despite my English mistake. So, congratulations! 😀

    As far as my hanging jewels, actually I’ve been complimented on the relatively tight, young looking sack I have for my age.

    If so, you ought to proudly show them to the audience on UNZ.com. Maybe, someone here is willing to pay an emperor’s ransom to own them!!!

    • Replies: @Z-man
  136. Envy is fault line in mankind and is not confined to one race.

    “When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
    I all alone beweep my outcast state,
    And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
    And look upon myself and curse my fate,
    Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
    Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
    Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
    With what I most enjoy contented least;
    Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
    Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
    (Like to the lark at break of day arising
    From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;
    For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
    That then I scorn to change my state with kings.”
    https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes

    Shakespeare was a keen observer of the whole man including himself.

  137. @Chinaman's Nightmare

    Ah yes, you are what they call in Texas “All hat, no cattle”.

    Its too bad, I was going to make some easy money.

  138. Z-man says:
    @Deep Thought

    Disgusting!
    How much? (Greedy hooked nose emoji here) LOL 😆

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  139. Wyatt says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I’m fine with that. I get to live in great comfort and ease because whitey murdered and plagued his way through a bunch of darkies and then advanced science n’ shieet. If I get to sit on my ass eating fancy foods from halfway around the world and play some video games after because there’s a mountain of barely-smarter-than-gorillas colored folk skulls supporting it, consider me a follower of Khorne.

    • Replies: @RJ Macready
  140. AaronB says:
    @Mevashir

    I wouldn’t say it’s unique to White civilization, only that in the modern period it arose first in Europe. But there has also always been a very strong and significant counter-tradition that has been anti-Faustisn in the West, from both the political right and the political left. And today, everyone despoils the world in the name of progress and countries like China embrace the Faustian and technocratic mindset uncritically.

    But Faustian culture has ancient roots. The biblical myth of the Tower of Babel is clearly aimed at Faustian culture.

    Lewis Mumford suggests that ancient Babylon and Egypt and the ancient Near East in general were examples of Faustian culture, and the building of the pyramids were examples of the soulless technocratic mindset – man as machine – on a vast scale.

    Confining Faustian and technocratic culture to any one people, race, culture, or civilization trivializes it and makes us much less able to see it’s true significance and how best to nullify it.

    The enemy is not “out there” – it’s within us. The biblical myth of the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Good and Evil makes clear this is a human problem, not the province of any one people.

    When you make the enemy a people, a culture, a race, and not a force within yourself, and a reflection of a “supernatural” force, Faustian culture can triumph.

    I am not a Christian, and every spiritual tradition has it’s way of describing this phenomenon, but in Christian terms it’s a “power and principality” – a supernatural demonic force that reflects itself within the human being on the principle of “as above, so below” – that exerts influence on mankind, and mankind succumbs to.

    And the more we defeat this force within us, the more we weaken it spiritually and “loosen” it’s ability to influence us, do to speak, based on the principle of, as above, so below.

    • Replies: @anon
  141. anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks for this reply. Marxism claims that technocracy and agricultural surpluses allow the formation of a dominant upper class and nobility (coupled to monarchy) and served by a compliant priesthood that allows the 0.1% to flourish at the expense of everyone else. You are correct that this problem has occurred throughout history.

    I once took a Breslov pilgrimage trip to Ukraine. We flew to Budapest and then took a train into the USSR, which was in its very last year before the system collapsed. On the way home we took a train from Budapest to Vienna from where we flew home. The contrast between then communist Hungary and Austria was glaring. Literally as soon as we crossed the border, the beautiful fields of Hungary were suddenly filled with ugly towering billboards promoting every form of capitalist desire greed and envy. I wish I had a photo of the border crossing. It was an incredible statement about the values of the two systems.

    America is a vulgar brain dead society that lives vicariously through tv and movies. Americans, unlike Europeans, are mostly passive and live in the realm of fantasy rather than direct experience. I’ve lived in many countries around the world, and American society is by far the most vulgar coarse and lowclass that I’ve ever experienced.

    I apologize for the Anon posting, but I’ve been all but completely blocked from participating in this site. I am praying that God break all soul-ties I’ve formed with this community so I can be set free.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @JackOH
  142. AaronB says:
    @Barr

    But a set of goals defined and targeted out of curiosity, interest , or real widespread need offer a different mental reward when achieved .

    Sure, but this is not a competitive activity. This kind of activity actually presupposes a shift in mentality and philosophy away from competition.

    So that is the key – if you notice yourself envious of another’s accomplishments, the solution is not to try and compete with him. That will exacerbate the situation.

    The solution is to examine your philosophy of life and the value of competition – as I mentioned, envy at material accomplishment is not inevitable. The Indians, Chinese, etc, did not immediately feel it.

    First, they had to be converted to the Faustian mindset.

    In the West, it was during the Enlightenment that envy and competition, which previously were morally criticized, were encouraged as engines of progress.

    Envy is a “latent” emotion – it has the potential to become actualized, but it requires philosophical preconditions to do so. It is a flame easily doused with a counter-philosophy.

  143. JackOH says:
    @anon

    The contrast between then communist Hungary and Austria was glaring. Literally as soon as we crossed the border, the beautiful fields of Hungary were suddenly filled with ugly towering billboards promoting every form of capitalist desire greed and envy.

    I recall something similar from an American who’d received a grant to study in the former Soviet bloc countries.

    IIRC, the writer remarked favorably on the absence of advertising. I think he went into some detail, which I don’t recall. Also, the writer claimed that the generally recognized untrustworthiness of the authorities/regime resulted in a strengthening–when possible–of family and other social relations. Again, there was some detail, none of which I recall.

    America is a vulgar brain dead society that lives vicariously through tv and movies. Americans, unlike Europeans, are mostly passive and live in the realm of fantasy rather than direct experience. I’ve lived in many countries around the world, and American society is by far the most vulgar coarse and lowclass that I’ve ever experienced.

    Sounds harsh, but I can’t overly disagree. The Europe I sometimes visited from the 1960s to the early 1990s (when I went seriously broke) was a delight–the people warm and genuine. Their governments were flawed, but connected to their publics through meaningful democratic socialist programs. (None of that “trick-bag”/”loophole-ism” stuff.)

    FWIW-when I saw that Fukuyama had ranked America among the “high-trust” countries, I damn near shit myself. Maybe I’m a bit cranky in early old age, but I find neither people nor institutions especially trustworthy in the States; nowhere close to the Scandinavian countries, e. g.

  144. @Wyatt

    Then why crib about multiculturalism and immigration LMAO. You get the best food from all around the world. All the cultures. I think it’s cool.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  145. Wyatt says:
    @RJ Macready

    A shipping container will do. I don’t need the Dark Ones to come here to prepare the food.

  146. @Intelligent Dasein

    This just came up today as my Father and I were disassembling some old chairs to burn; namely, the amount of screws, nuts, bolts, and washers. It was a truly surprising amount per chair, and he noted why in the past (when a screw or nut had to be hand crafted, with great difficulty) it made so much more sense to make joiners, snug-lines, or simply wooden pin systems.

    In the event of any long-term break down in supply where such materials and the machines that make them need to be rationed, one woukd very quickly see a return to “more immediately time intensive” but overall “lower energy” forms of things. This is large part of the point a Twitter poster from Japan, WrathofGnon, makes often when he discusses old fashioned urban and home design.

    Machines can be the great liberator of Mankind. Ultimately to reach the stars and scatter to infinity, a species must either develop the spiritual powers of Gods or the tools that are equivalent to such power. While individuals can achieve this, it’s difficult for most, and even in the Occult realm people often uses items to help manifest their power. The real issue though is our machines (at least publicly) aren’t there yet. We are enslaved to our current industry and the stagnation. Something must give, so that something new can come.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  147. AaronB says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Ultimately to reach the stars and scatter to infinity, a species must either develop the spiritual powers of Gods or the tools that are equivalent to such power

    Why do you have such a feeling of crushing inadequacy, that this is desirable? Are you not full and complete already?

    Once you reach the stars and spread into infinity, is it then enough, or do you still need more? Do you experience yourself – and life – as an infinite lack, as an infinite hole that can never be filled?

    Perhaps, what you need is not to spread outward into space infinitely, but to begin exploring inwardly, and find your connection to Bring.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Boomthorkell
  148. Mike Tre says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I’d rather turn wrenches than pick cotton. But that’s just me.

  149. JackOH says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB, On Desire: Why We Want What We Want by William B. Irvine may be worth a look. Irvine’s a Wright State philosophy prof. Stoic tradition, I think. He has his critics, but my dim memory recalls a clear, elegant presentation and deft writing.

    Happy Thanksgiving Day to all, and best wishes for the prospering of UR and its readers.

    • Thanks: AaronB
  150. @AaronB

    Inadequacy?

    No, I just want people to be free-in-practice.

    True freedom requires freedom of energy and freedom of mobility. With these two, a person can simply pick up and leave somewhere else if they have issues. The need for conflict over resources, rules, and space loses its greatest motivation.

    Finally, while their are species/civilizational advantages (less concentrated in one place), I think humans need to have something to explore. I certainly meant somewhere new to explore! I mean, this is exactly why Astral Traveling isn’t considered sinful. Looking about is a healthy and natural thing.

    So, to look inwards, we should also look outwards, and by looking inwards, maybe we can reach the outwards faster.

    Ah, as the guy said above, Happy Thanksgiving All!

    • Replies: @AaronB
  151. AaronB says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Thanks.

    I can certainly get behind freedom and the love of exploring – sounds like you want a galactic version of the hunter-gathering life 🙂

    That’s a cool idea that hadn’t occurred to me – I thought you were advocating some kind of Faustian-technological “conquest” of the stars, or some such thing.

    Still, I think if humanity can learn to feel like it’s “existentially enough” – which would require an inner attunement to Being and the infinity inside us – life on earth can become one of infinite exploration (it’s been said that a lifetime is not enough to fully explore a five mile radius), as we no longer need to “grow”.

    In my book, endless freedom and exploration – yes! Conquest, control, “growth”, all come from existential inadequacy, and the next step is for humanity to overcome this.

    Thanks – and Happy Thanksgiving to All!

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  152. Whatever path people choose for themselves.

    If there is conquest, it won’t be a centralized empire likely, but more sporadic old-fashioned tribal conquests. The new system just makes it hard to be an Empire as there isn’t a need to buy-in to one (the technology that would make it possible makes it also infeasible to have a central power.) This is assuming Space isn’t some 40k nightmare.

    Sure, and I want people to do that too. I just want them to have options. Limitless freedom and the gutting of any centralized rules reason for existence! They can’t control what they can’t catch. They can’t obligate those who aren’t dependent.

  153. @Z-man

    Disgusting!

    Yes, it would look disgusting.

    As far as my hanging jewels, actually I’ve been complimented on the relatively tight, young looking sack I have for my age.

    Still, you would have to hang your balls on your waist to have any chance of putting them higher than Dolly’s tits. 😀

  154. barr says:

    “France’s retired diplomat and writer Stéphane Gompertz openly speculated on the potential for Abiy to be forced from power. “Even if Abiy sticks to his guns, which unfortunately he seems to be doing, you either hope that people around him either in government or in the military realize that this is going nowhere and might force him to, well, accept the cessation of hostilities or force him to step down?”
    The Western powers — Britain, the EU and especially the United States — have been posturing for months that they have not taken sides in the conflict and are pushing negotiations only in the interests of peace. But the Zoom talk rips away the façade, ”

    https://jeffpearce.medium.com/ethiopia-the-wests-diplomats-meet-in-secret-to-decide-how-to-help-the-tplf-cb87f2d30777

    EU and US are determined to breal Ethiopia to the lmages of Iraq and Syria . Racism is what these 2 are promoting.

  155. @Vergissmeinnicht

    each race is fitter for the particular environment it inhabits.

    Whites often say that in an attempt to be fair to primitive hominids, but it’s not true. Whites live infinitely better in Australia, for instance, than the Aborigines who had 40,000 years to adapt to local conditions ever did. The Abos themselves have much more comfortable lives than their ancestors thanks to the White man’s technology. And, of course, what is true of Australia is true of every place melanistic hominids are native to.

    • Agree: HdC
  156. What the author describes about Envy also applies to certain White folks. Working-class people in Appalachia come to mind. My Appalachian father-in-law was the only one in his family to graduate college (or for that matter, even attend college). He is routinely mocked by his family members for “thinking he’s better than them”.

  157. @anon

    You and all non-Whites like you have always been envious of what Europeans as a people were able to achieve once a stop was put to the Muslim predations and went on to create the modern world. Our success in conquest angers and humiliates you. We as a people WILLINGLY gave you back your countries and independence but you followed us to ours. Our magnanimity paid back with hatred and a desire for revenge, our generosity with our science and technology turned against us, your populations exploding. Knowing full well that if you had been in our shoes you would have never relinquished your power over us and our lands. You’re jealous of and covet the height, coloring and living standard of the European and the beauty of the White woman, the masses of brown skinned, black eyed, black haired humanity looks at a blonde, blue eyed woman with a mixture of rage, hatred, envy and desire to posses and destroy her.

    Sure, we were envious of China’s filthy, disease ridden streets, of talking gown wooden temples, cannibalismm, wars that killed tens of millions before the advent of modern weaponry. Jealous of a bug-like race of bureaucrats without empathy, ready to eat anything that moves, which at it’s Apex would rather pay off people they massively outnumbered rather than fight them. China was subjugated and invaded by all it’s neighbors numerous times. Its only real monument is the wall, as the only other impressive archeological ruin us the Terracota Army and it was made by Greco-Roman sculptures. Show me please China’s equivalent to the Sistine Chapel, where’s the Chinese David? It’s Acropolis? Since it’s so old, where’s it’s Antikithera mechanism? It’s Colosseum? Where’s the Chinese Beethoven? It’s Bach or Michaelangelo?. But yes we Europeans were jealous if China. Won’t even get into the stinking mass of filth that was and is India.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  158. @NeoNietzche

    made by Greco-Roman sculptures. Show me please China’s equivalent to the Sistine Chapel, where’s the Chinese David? It’s Acropolis? Since it’s so old, where’s it’s Antikithera mechanism? It’s Colosseum?

    Firstly ….. Are you Greek or Roman? Why do you claim the glories of these cultures as your own?

    Talk about cultural appropriation.

    You claim the pride of Whitehood because you have NO PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS of your own.

    I don’t see Elon Musks or Mother Teresas going around talking about White pride.

    This is why Rednecks are so proud to be White. They have no other way of feeling good about themselves.

  159. @Thomasina

    The envy is practically spilling from this diatribe… 🤭

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