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Uncle Sam faces some formidable obstacles in trying to improve America’s image abroad. Sponsoring lectures on such topics as how Malcolm X and hip-hop might unite diverse Muslim immigrant communities in Europe was considered one way of doing it. But competition in the popularity contest from unfriendly foreign media as well as some of our government’s occasional dubious policies is fierce.

A reader commenting on my recent article touching on official US promotion of an LGBT agenda helpfully provided a State Department link to ex-Secretary Clinton’s official guidance a few years ago on that particular subject. It shows that American embassies abroad are getting full Washington backup for those public diplomacy outreach programs. The broader theme of official US “diversity” promotion does not lack support from on high either. In European countries, it involves helping Muslims promote their culture and traditions, and indirectly promoting parallel societies.

In fairness, US embassy PR programs mostly involve uncontroversial cultural events or discussions ranging from US history to current economic and political developments. But the Muslim outreach in many ways seems like attempted compensation for the many other US policies that have enraged Muslims over the decades. Arab Muslim ire over US political and financial subsidizing of Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians has been overshadowed of late by outrage at Washington for its inability to stop Muslims Arabs from mistreating each other. Rightly or wrongly, it adds up to a big image problem. The Malcolm X hip-hop lecture at the Amerika Haus in late 2013 was just one program sponsored by the US embassy in Vienna to tackle the dilemma. I happened to attend it, and it had struck me as indicative of a curious approach to promoting US interests.

Farid Hafez, a young Austrian professor with Egyptian background and a frequent TV talk-show campaigner against “Islamophobia,” had started his embassy-sponsored talk with a photo slide of Julie Andrews and her “Sound of Music” family. It was – news to me – the traditional “Christmas film” Americans watched on TV, he explained. And it wrongly misled Americans into thinking that Austrians looked like the film version of the von Trapp family singers and not like he and so many of the audience in head scarves did. But as misguided as Americans were on that issue, they offered much that Muslims in Austria could learn from. Such as how Malcolm X had influenced civil rights and hip-hop and how the latter could help unite ethnically diverse young Austrian Muslims among Turkish, Arab and other immigrant communities. Diversity can have its limits!

For good measure, Hafez praised the major Muslim role in emancipating African Americans. At that point, I couldn’t resist noting that Martin Luther King was a reverend, not an imam; that 19th century Abolitionists also tended to have Christian backgrounds; and that African slaves had been predominantly animists, not — as Hafez suggested — Muslims forced to convert. I resisted a temptation to point out the irony of an African American convert, such as boxing champ Muhammad Ali, having adopted the name of one of history’s great slave traders, 19th century founder of the eponymous Egyptian dynasty.

After the program, I asked the Embassy’s Public Affairs Officer why he thought that sponsoring such a lecture was in the US national interest. As a gay man and immigrant himself to America (born in Prague) he explained, he identified with other victimized people. He thought such efforts positively highlighted the US government’s openness and commitment to abolish discrimination. I’m more inclined to suspect that the “self-flagellating conscience of the West,” a phenomenon observed by our eminent late diplomat colleague George F. Kennan, partially explains this enthusiasm for spreading the culture of victimization. Another Kennan explanation for this and much else in our diplomatic efforts: “Our actions in the field of foreign affairs are the convulsive reactions of politicians to an internal political life dominated by vocal minorities.”

A certain amount of self-perpetuating bureaucracy is also at play. We had built up an enormous foreign affairs establishment during the Cold War. Institutions created to facilitate a mission became institutions in search of a mission. When not trying to placate Sen. John McCain, whom Pentagon wags purportedly think is “always one war away from perfect happiness,” we’re huckstering various forms of tribalism under the guise of diversity or multiculturalism. But we’re getting little credit among Europe’s progressive elites for the PR efforts regarding the latter.

Tendentiousness in European media reporting is probably no greater than in the US. The TV talk shows, especially in Germany, are often impressively substantive. But selected participants representing points of view favorable to US society and its foreign policy are inevitably outnumbered. And they get most of the annoying applause from studio audiences that are usually part of the shows. As I already suggested, many US policies are an understandably hard sell. But it might be helpful for those wanting to say a nice thing or two about them if off-the-shelf rebuttal arguments to the more predictable and repetitive anti-US carping were anticipated.

Vladimir Putin’s exclusion from the past weekend’s G7 Summit on the grounds that he didn’t share the participating nations’ values generated much criticism. In a German state television debate following the summit Monday, an American participant defending the exclusion decision was ridiculed by a Turkish-born German asserting that US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan were “identical” to Putin’s Ukraine transgressions. The implication that all invasions are equal got nods of support from at least one other panelist, as well as from many in the audience. It’s a tedious refrain. I first heard it in connection with Putin’s Ukraine annexation when the TV station’s former Moscow correspondent compared it last year to the 1983 US invasion of Grenada. Not a single American soldier was still in Grenada when I joined our embassy there over a year afterwards. More significantly, the US hasn’t been going around annexing these countries. But in a return to the familiar Cold War moral equivalency arguments, there is no difference between unilaterally annexing another country and liberating a country from tyrants, however badly some of our “liberations” have turned out.

Since it is not official policy to accept that we are better at invading countries than fixing them up afterwards, we can’t expect our overseas diplomatic missions to admit such either. We could, however, make better use of our elaborate public diplomacy apparatus in at least defending our motives. Before the US engaged militarily in Bosnia, Europeans claimed US reluctance stemmed from Bosnia’s lack of oil. The greed motive usually suffices for many who lack the imagination to see other possibilities at work. Iraq’s dictator, for example, might have been happy to cut a deal favorable to US oil companies if that would have gotten the US off his back. But the widespread perception remains, fueled to a large extent by a heavily biased anti-American media, that the US invaded mainly for the benefit of US firms.

US embassies will not be able to provide sufficient context to controversial policies and practices to offset media tendentiousness. Nevertheless, foreign public perceptions might improve somewhat if such context were given a higher priority. Austrian state TV, for example, played up the Ferguson rogue racist cop story and virtually ignored the exculpating circumstances detailed in two lengthy government follow-up investigations. Ever since the Vietnam War had cost the US its former “goody two-shoes” image, Europeans in former allied and enemy countries alike have delighted in highlighting America’s own racial and social problems.

Instead of offering context, however, we have public diplomacy abroad heavily engaged at spreading diversity and promiscuous concepts of what constitutes collective rights. Far right parties are rapidly gaining ground in Europe partially because citizens are growing fed up with their own governments’ handling of these issues. Official US exhibitionism and promotion of them won’t stem that tide. Hip-hop friendly diplomacy hasn’t noticeably won us friends among Europe’s Muslims either.

Gene Tuttle is a retired Foreign Service Officer living in Vienna, Austria.

 
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  1. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website

    As if Muslims are supportive of the LGBT agenda.

    How do you know if someone is a white liberal?

    Slap them in the face and see if they apologize.

  2. Kiza says:

    Ah, all these horribly mistaken people who believe that “… there is no difference between unilaterally annexing another country and liberating a country from tyrants, however badly some of our “liberations” have turned out.”

    Simple question: which country did Russia annex?

    Another question: where does the US grow characters such as this? In some secret underground lab for Foreign Service Mushrooms?

    But to answer his challenge: the stealing, the mass murder, the chaos and the terror that the US has unleashed on the World in the last 100 years really has no equivalence in human history. For example, the killing of 1 million people in Iraq cannot be compared with accession of formerly Russian peninsula back to Russia, except in the minds of some US psychos. Thus this article reads like whining about less that 100% success of the US Propaganda Machine, because some people are still not viewing the Russian peaceful “annexation” for the huge crime it is and US wars with millions of killed as a small price to pay for the Pax Americana.

    But this “article” mentions one other interesting and important point: the US establishment, through its Foreign Service, shoves LGBT life style down the throats of Eastern Europe. Beautiful Vienna has always been the center, especially for he control of Central and South Eastern Europe. The proportion of lesbian and gay foreign service officer in Vienna is higher than even in Disney.

    Shoving LGBR lifestyle down throats of conservative European South is a real experiment – how far can you push a population till pitchforks come out. They call it “changing the mindset”, seriously. Every Eastern European vassal country has a compulsory annual Mardi Gras parade of obedience to Washington. If not, then the leadership is not obedient enough and gets replaced.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  3. Ivy says:

    Hip-Hop, and other similar “music”, is a national disgrace and a poor way to portray anything positive about America. I look forward to the demise of that lamentable noise and replacement by music with intelligible voices and lyrics.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @jack shindo
  4. Renoman says:

    The best thing to say about Islam is nothing and the best thing to do with Hip Hop is ignore it and wait till it passes which won’t be long. It’s on the way out big time in the Concert world, 3 songs of Blacks complaining is enough for most people, the death bell has rung.
    The vast majority of Americans would like to get rid of both “problems” , why promote them?

  5. Sean says:

    The election of Obama probably had a lot to do the US polishing its self image. Hence the fury against Palin (who to me appears to have significant Amerindian ancestry) for spoiling things; She would never have got a international peace prize. The

    Far right parties are rapidly gaining ground in Europe partially because citizens are growing fed up with their own governments’ handling of these issues.

    No they aren’t, because the machinery of government such as the civil service is hand in glove with the establishment parties, which consider immigration the sourse of growth and innovation in the economy (because the US says so). Ireland is currently admitting more immigrants than ever before and it doesn’t even have a far right party. Denmark has a far right party but it also is admitting more none immigrants than ever. For the Scottish independence referendum anyone living in Scotland was eligible to vote. Popular nationalism in Europe is not of the ‘far right’, because people just won’t vote in sufficient numbers for anything of that nature. US insisted on the EU, and got it. Under the long shadow of American mass culture with its sermonizing about the backwardness of traditions, and Last Puritan style harping about its own racial atrocities, European culture is bidding farewell

  6. Tom Welsh says:

    It’s ridiculous to compare Putin’s involvement in Ukraine with the American attacks on nations such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya and Syria. In the first place, no Russian armed forces have attacked any part of Ukraine – ever. Crimea, which has been part of Russia since a few years before the USA was founded, voted overwhelmingly to remain part of Russia. What’s the matter with Americans – don’t they believe in the right of self-determination?

    Other differences include the damage and the butcher’s bills. As far as I know, no Ukrainian has been killed by the Russian armed forces. Whereas well over 3 million people – mostly civilians – were killed by the USA in South-East Asia (including non-combatant nations such as Laos and Cambodia), and the current body count in Iraq is 2.8 million. That’s (over) one Holocaust, and in just two of the 50 nations the USA has savagely attacked since 1945.

  7. I think we’re finally reaching the limits of liberalism in the West. From now liberals will have to start making choices – if they want to promote one progressive goal they have to sacrifice another. And since most liberals are white they will be forced to promote the interests of white people and white minorities at the expense of multiculturalism.

    The liberal left-depends quite heavily on big business for funding and the big business liberal right isn’t stupid, it can see a number of liberal agendas are conflicting and it’s starting to reign some things in. Examples include: the shift in attitude to Marine Le Pen by the western media, the softening in international attitudes to Australia’s tough policies on illegal immigration, and the left’s new global anti-slavery campaign, which is effectively an anti-immigration campaign from a feminist/progressive perspective.

  8. Pat Casey says:

    Why do we have anything to do with Muslims in Europe?

    I would not sweat the “outreach” programs for LGBT elsewhere people. Because it doesn’t exist elsewhere and everyone knows reaching out to strangers is what abnormally innocent morons do.

    Has any muslim ever left a PR event about, well, what america thinks its good and right to do to dirt-poor (because remember they would steal the dirt we gave them for playgrounds in Iraq) MUSLIM nations, nations whose children’s are taught a lot of rules and one fact, the fact that civilization began where they stand? Do muslims go to US PR puppet shows to change their mind? Does uncle sam have magical flaks?

    You didn’t know that the sound of music was an american christmas classic? I’m not joking, you worked for our foreign service and you didn’t know that? I come from an irish family that wears motley and yes Grandpa Casey put on the sound of music for us every year.

    But as misguided as Americans were on that issue, they offered much that Muslims in Austria could learn from. Such as how Malcolm X had influenced civil rights and hip-hop and how the latter could help unite ethnically diverse young Austrian Muslims among Turkish, Arab and other immigrant communities. Diversity can have its limits!

    So basically you go to moron conventions where the morons come to get brainwashed by the biggest crackpot I have ever heard of, who elides from the sound of music to malcolm x. O I believe it. What I can barely believe is that our Foreign Service Officers these days retire to be ply irony.

    And your eminent late diplomat colleague is properly referred to as George Kennan, because his deaf ears were just grated by something viciously cumbersome, and names that go down don’t get introductions.

    But what do I know, seriously?

  9. German_reader says:

    “Austrian state TV, for example, played up the Ferguson rogue racist cop story and virtually ignored the exculpating circumstances detailed in two lengthy government follow-up investigations. ”

    In this European media are merely following American liberals’ narrative…I don’t think media in Europe can really be called “anti-American” in a general sense. They may have an unflattering view of American whites in flyover states who are often caricaturized as gun-loving, racist, Christian fundamentalist rednecks. But they’re fully supportive of the core tenets of the modern American creed (proposition nation, mass immigration, multiculturalism etc.) so they’re not really anti-American in any fundamental sense and have no problem with American meddling in other countries’ internal affairs as long as it’s for the right cause (like gay rights, anti-racism). Just remember how enthusiastic they were about Obama’s election.
    Good article though, that George Kennan quote was brilliant.

  10. Emilio says:

    Brilliant essay. Mr. Tuttle has placed his finger on sensitive areas. Many countries are obsessed by the idea that the US administration have two faces like the Greek deity Janus, one being a stigma and the other a dogma. It is hard to deal with such a narrow vision.

  11. American society lives on a very short time-horizon, conveniently forgetting its actions and cultural behavior of the recent past and insisting that the rest of the world follow in its most recent fads. Hip-Hop, I dare to suggest, will sink into deserved historical obscurity within a couple of decades. Notable, of course, is the hypocrisy over homosexuality where it is now quite the fashion here for openly gay persons to hold high pubic office and for Government buildings to fly the “Pride” flag. There is loud condemnation that Russia, a society which, after all, has ‘come a long way over difficult ground’ during the past century, isn’t quite as ready to march in step just yet! It is only a scant, what, twelve years, since Lawrence vs. Texas saw the decriminalization of sodomy in the USA.

    So steady on! Perhaps we should give others a little breathing space in which to digest our latest obsession before ramming it down their throats – and indeed enough time to ensure that it is going to last – and not be replaced with some further nonsense.

  12. The Scalpel says: • Website

    “We could, however, make better use of our elaborate public diplomacy apparatus in at least defending our motives.”

    Pray tell me then, if not at least for greed, what were the motives behind such stupid and evil policies as the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the knowing lies which attempted to justify it? Same question for the the overt support of the violent coup which ended Ukraine’s democratically elected government after an international agreement for early elections was already in place? I could go on and on.

    Your article adresses a relatively trival concern while making apologies if not justifications for the evil “elephant in the room.” ” Pay no attention to all those dead civilians! Look there is a gay man! There is black rapper activist!” OMG

  13. But the widespread perception remains, fueled to a large extent by a heavily biased anti-American media, that the US invaded mainly for the benefit of US firms

    Ok, so this bit of nonsense grabbed my attention. How often is it true? More often than not, would be the clear and honest answer:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/05/26/counterfeit-coin/

    Economics and counter-insurgency are inextricably intertwined in the western democracies model; if anything, the French (example given) are simply more discreet than ’empire’ leader USA.

    And it can hurt to provide this bit of insight into corporate influence relating to our ‘national security’ state:

    Thousands of technology, finance and manufacturing companies are working closely with U.S. national security agencies, providing sensitive information and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence, four people familiar with the process said.

    These programs, whose participants are known as trusted partners, extend far beyond what was revealed by Edward Snowden, a computer technician who did work for the National Security Agency

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms

    Criminal liars/sociopaths at the director level, from Chevron to Raytheon must love Gene Tuttle:

    http://csis.org/event/launch-project-us-leadership-development

    ^ the above [linked] ‘national prayer breakfast’ personalities are a hand in glove fit with handing ISIS propaganda opportunities the parsimonious billionaires of empire would envy at the price, that is free, when excluding American soldiers’ blood:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/11/jesus-army-ranger-book-trouble/71062412/

    Meanwhile the armaments & ‘security’ firms are making money hand over fist and paying our generals handsomely in second careers:

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/12/26/defense_firms_lure_retired_generals/

    No soldiers in Grenada one year after? With Maurice Bishop dead and the New Jewel movement disarmed and decapitated, together with the several dozen Cubans expelled, they weren’t necessary, empire had prevailed.

    What a neo-con hack-job of a propaganda piece. Hip-hop & queers are the least of our problems by comparison –

  14. “an American participant defending the exclusion decision was ridiculed by a Turkish-born German asserting that US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan were “identical” to Putin’s Ukraine transgressions.”

    That is absurd. It would be true if Iraq was once part of the USA for decades, and the USA already had military bases in Iraq, and if most Iraqis were English speakers of American descent, and they voted in a public referendum that they would like to rejoin the USA, and there was zero armed opposition to rejoining Russia.

    I dislike Geraldo Rivera for his fake news reports and war cheerleading, but that is required for all prominent American “newsmen” these days. Yet he recently said that hip hop has done more damage to minorities than racism. This was ignored by the corporate media and Rivera was not denounced and forced to resign because of his minority status. This short clip of his comment deserves national debate:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/geraldo-rivera-hip-hop-racism_n_6701628.html

    And note the shocked reaction of the white interviewer who knows to move on and avoid that subject.

  15. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    But in a return to the familiar Cold War moral equivalency arguments, there is no difference between unilaterally annexing another country and liberating a country from tyrants, however badly some of our “liberations” have turned out.

    I’m not sure I’m reading this correctly. The US has caused hundreds of thousands of people to die in it’s invasions thousands of miles from it’s shores. The carnage goes on as a result and a previously functioning state like Iraq has been destroyed. This is supposed to be some sort of liberation from ‘tyrants’ as if the US is just some big boy scout who just wants to bring gifts to those in need? Wars of aggression are war crimes.

    Nevertheless, foreign public perceptions might improve somewhat if such context were given a higher priority

    It’s not just a matter of hoodwinking people with improved propaganda. It’s the reality of the US bombing and killing helpless people around the world as though it were a fun video game. That’s the reality. The writer of this article is amazingly blind to all this. This is a retired Foreign Service employee?

  16. Realist says:
    @Ivy

    “I look forward to the demise of that lamentable noise and replacement by music with intelligible voices and lyrics.”

    Hey good luck with that. This country is in the (c)rapper….going round and round.

  17. Julie Andrews and her “Sound of Music” family. It was – news to me – the traditional “Christmas film” Americans watched on TV, he explained.

    Christopher Plummer (who played Captain von Trapp in the film) called it The Sound of Mucus. During shooting, he was afraid the movie would “run overboard and become very mawkish and sentimental,” he later told Oprah Winfrey.

    “Sound of Music” grossly distorted the facts of how the von Trapp family left Austria:

    According to the movie, the head of the von Trapp family decides to flee the country with his wife and children to avoid having to serve in the German navy. While it’s true that Georg Ludwig von Trapp, who is played in the movie by Christopher Plummer, was a monarchist who was hostile to Hitler and National Socialism, he was never forced to choose between service in the German armed forces or emigration from the country.

    In the movie, the von Trapps flee Austria in secret, hiking over the mountains into Switzerland carrying their suitcases and musical instruments. In reality, they left the country by train, and they did so quite openly. And instead of going to Switzerland they traveled to Italy before ultimately settling in the United States. As daughter Maria said years later in an interview: “We did tell people that we were going to America to sing. And we did not climb over mountains with all our heavy suitcases and instruments. We left by train, pretending nothing,”

    The agenda embedded in “The Sound of Music,” then and now, apparently, was to demonize NSDAP Germany and the non-violent liberation and reunification of Austria to Germany.

    William R. Morrow made his bones by arranging for William Shirer to broadcast “uncensored” from London, on the Anschluss. That program and its follow-ups were innovations in the world of radio journalism; they created a sensation among the American public and a taste for more of the same; Morrow and Shirer were happy to oblige.

    Shirer devoted an entire chapter of “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” to his version of the Anschluss, which he labeled, “The Rape of Austria.”

    That version of events was not shared by a majority of Austrians who greeted unification and the subsequent economic boost.

    Nonviolent Austrian unification was, however, violently opposed by the minority Jewish population of Austria who were the elite in the land and controlled many of the economic levers, to their advantage.

    It’s also worth noting that Shirer uttered not one word about the mass rape of German women and its blatant incitement by Shirer’s and Morrow’s fellow-journalist, Ilya Ehrenburg.

    plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

    • Replies: @schmenz
  18. Some of this stuff has being going on for a long time.

    37 Years ago, when I was working for a government agency, a black speaker was brought in one day to give us a presentation or training session. This was an unusual event for us. About a hundred of us young Americans, pretty much all white, sat and listened to this man give a lecture about how the United States was going to fall like every other empire.

    He went on to describe how Africans had once had the world’s leading civilization — and how people of color or from another continent will soon again dominate the world.

    This little talk, paid for and required by our government, was given to young federal employees in 1978. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now.

    I write this here just so others can note it, and because I still can’t believe it was happening then. I had forgotten about it until now.

    • Replies: @Truth
  19. How do they train these people to be such facile liars?. I get the going along to get along, but these guys are obviously intelligent enough to know better. Do they break down the concept of objective truth, and substitute a working knowledge of the Cathedral’s goals, combined with an inflated sense of personal and group superiority?.

    I couldn’t figure out Mr.Tuttle’s p.o.v. until the mini-bio at the end. The odd part is that so many maintain the pretense after retirement: that’s got to chafe on anyone with a soul and more than three brain cells. He should have a long talk with Michael Scheuer before he embarrasses himself further. Ditto for the XXCommittee guy who also pretends to be dumb. “We’re” losing the propaganda war because the facts are against us, not because we aren’t lieing hard enough!

  20. schmenz says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Fascinating, SolontoCroesus. Thank you.

  21. @Kiza

    Another question: where does the US grow characters such as this? In some secret underground lab for Foreign Service Mushrooms?

    I think it’s at places like Stanford, the Hoover Institution, the Kennedy School of Government and Johns Hopkins. Keep in mind that superstar Ambassador Michael McFaul was a career diplomat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_McFaul These guys may be dangerously incompetent but at least their resumes are in order.

    I’m not American but I live in the Anglosphere West so I have a right now to critique the US foreign service talent pool. Why? Because we’re all so tied to your country that when you f**k up, we’re all along for the ride. In fact, I’m in Canada so when your country makes a bad move, mine feels the need to make the same bad move but take it a little further just to show what good team players we are. If you guys stick your tongue in the light socket we’re pushing and shoving to get our d**k in there, to put it coarsely.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  22. The old myth that the USA invaded Iraq for its oil just keeps reappearing.

    Actually the oil companies were absolutely terrified of an invasion of Iraq because of the fear that the invasion would disrupt the oil supply and hence lessen their profits and endanger the jobs of their leadership.

    In fact, the main proponents for the invasion were Israel and its lobby in the US. John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt proved this almost ten years ago in a magazine article that was entirely censored at the time under pressure by the US media. They could only have it published in the UK because of this censorship. Read about it here. Israel control US foreign policy,not the dreaded corporations.

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  23. @rabbitbait

    Multiple, convergent interests do not make one truth exclusive and, in process, all other interests a lie. Sure Israel wanted Saddam out and Iraq reduced to a train wreck, but in the same moment:

    Dr Zalloum added that he believes western oil companies have successfully acquired the lions’ share of Iraq’s oil, “but they gave a little piece of the cake for China and some of the other countries and companies to keep them silent”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html

    Oil companies terrified over supply disruption and profits? Laughs. They had no access to Iraqi oil (since 1973) and wanted access to the world’s 2nd largest reserves, that’s where the profits were to be found

  24. Mr. Tuttle is right about US embassies in Europe pushing hip hop culture and vibrancy. Your embassy in Paris has been especially egregious and it’s not gone unnoticed on the pro-Front National websites over there. These same websites are overwhelmingly pro-Putin and pro-Russian too, by the way. Maybe France is going to get some colour revolution therapy too?

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  25. Truth says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    He went on to describe how Africans had once had the world’s leading civilization — and how people of color or from another continent will soon again dominate the world.

    China’s not going to dominate the world at some point? That’s in direct contrast to everything I’ve read.

    This little talk, paid for and required by our government, was given to young federal employees in 1978. It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now.

    Is it “bullshit”, or have you just not lived long enough yet?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  26. Tuttle says:
    I’m more inclined to suspect that the “self-flagellating conscience of the West,” a phenomenon observed by our eminent late diplomat colleague George F. Kennan, partially explains this enthusiasm for spreading the culture of victimization. Another Kennan explanation for this and much else in our diplomatic efforts: “Our actions in the field of foreign affairs are the convulsive reactions of politicians to an internal political life dominated by vocal minorities.”

    Possibly, but one can be sure that a trendy-sounding, trendy-seeming “Malcolm X Lecture” put on by the US State Department is an exercise in the farcical. For most of his activist life Malcolm X was the enemy of the US government and State Department, scathing in his criticism of US policies overseas. His movements were monitored extensively both by the FBI and when overseas, the State Department, and he was considered a threatening figure. A “lecture” put on by a sworn enemy sounds like theater of the absurd.

    .
    I asked the Embassy’s Public Affairs Officer why he thought that sponsoring such a lecture was in the US national interest. As a gay man and immigrant himself to America (born in Prague) he explained, he identified with other victimized people. He thought such efforts positively highlighted the US government’s openness and commitment to abolish discrimination.

    LOL, more probably it highlighted liberal gesturalism- trendy gestures to appear “with it”, “chic”, current or “cool” and “into” such things as “diversity”, but all merely a veneer behind which old agendas and structures of power and deceit are perpetuated, and expanded. It’s like the bogus photos of “minority students” appearing in some college brochures for colleges where very few minorities either live or attend, to give the appearance of “diversity.” Malcolm X was a race realist if nothing else, unsparing in his condemnation of white hypocrisy, and said words to the effect that he preferred to deal with an honest conservative, than a deceptive liberal.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  27. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Enrique Cardova

    It’s reassuring to hear all this ‘Diversity’ stuff is merely a veneer, Enrique.

    I was getting the impression it was a real thing in the real world, but I guess it’s all just chic, happy talk.

  28. Kiza says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Similar situation here, I am in a very similar boat, living in an Anglo country which takes part in all the imperial follies of this declining hegemon.

    But, I would strongly disagree that all these “mushrooms with impressive resumes” are incompetent. Because chaos a carnage are so often the result of US interventions, we are tempted to interpret this as failure, but is it?

    The former World leader in natural sciences, the US is now falling behind. But the social sciences and applied humanities in the US are still the most advanced in the world. For example, the technology of color revolutions is an absolutely amazing achievement in social science. The US has managed to discover a revolutionary potential in almost any society in the world and create an ultimate formula for government and elite change. By pouring money into local NGOs, which then activate the society’s fringe (individuals not part of the local elite, who hope to become the new elite upon the color revolution). This results in a replacement of a nationalistic elite with a US-subservient elite. The whole process has been standardized – there is a network of people who do government (called regime) change as a project job, going from one country to another.

    In another area of social science, the area of public discourse the US Propaganda Machine has also reached unsurpassed levels. Only a few decades ago, it would have been unimaginable that someone could spin own mass killings and genocide into “care for humanity”, whilst making the opponents defensive action with zero deaths becomes a major crime. This is exactly what the US Image Shapers have been doing. Mr Tuttle is complaining in this article that the success of this effort has been only partial. Namely, the masses of the World are only equating Iraq and Crimea, which is a propaganda failure.

    Let us then define what a success would have been. The success would have been for the World to castigate Russia for returning a piece of its own territory with a vital defensive military facility under Western threat and, simultaneously, making the US a shining beacon of humanitarianism just for a well-intention Iraqi genocide which unfortunately ended up wrong. When the exceptional nation does a disaster, only its good intentions count.

    Another point Mr Tuttle is writing about in this article is the taking of the public discourse control formula from the domestic population and applying it onto the International population. The US domestic population is the most brainwashed in the World (just check out a few comments to this article by US citizens). The challenge for the US social engineers is to successfully apply this to the global population.

    In summary, this article is truly about the challenges that the US Foreign Service Spin-Meisters are facing.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  29. @Kiza

    But, I would strongly disagree that all these “mushrooms with impressive resumes” are incompetent. Because chaos a carnage are so often the result of US interventions, we are tempted to interpret this as failure, but is it?

    I’m undecided on this point. On the one hand I agree with you that the damage they do to others is deliberate and the chaos they sow is central to their technique but, on the other hand, the Americans were far better at this in the past. They were good at convincing others America wanted the same things they want and cared about what they care about. Now Americans with power seem to proudly insult and alienate others out of hubris or because it’s fun to them personally. We’ve all seen the video clip of the retired US general called Scales smiling and smirking as he says “we need to start killing Russians”.

    They want to draw Russian Federation troops into a war in eastern Ukraine in order to bring regime change to Russia itself. They do this because they can. Again, notice how often the people representing the West can’t stop themselves from sneering, smirking and delighting in the suffering they cause. John Kerry was producing David Letterman style “top 10” lists full of smart-assery while people were being massacred in Ukraine. Kerry’s like some 70yr old brat pulling the wings off flies. That Ambassador McFaul was constantly acting the fool as if he was just some merry prankster running around Moscow bankrolling opposition politicians.

    The foreign policy establishment of the West is grossly incompetent if one assumes their tasks are to prevent war and encourage peace, prosperity, order and good government abroad. If we see that their goal is to increase their own status, show off to their friends, impress billionaire saboteurs, spread global revolution and feed the dark side of their nature then they’re hyper-competent.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  30. @Cagey Beast

    “Mr. Tuttle is right about US embassies in Europe pushing hip hop culture and vibrancy. Your embassy in Paris has been especially egregious and it’s not gone unnoticed on the pro-Front National websites over there.”

    I’ve heard this as well, but isn’t this activity going to clash with the interests of French Jews and the LGBT movement?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    World War T and the LGBKTKXYZ stuff is promoted to let people stand against Islam without being obvious about it. To cover for this you have some money thrown at Muslim demagogues for them to waste.

    The US does not need to annex a country when it can force them to rewrite their laws while they look down the barrel of a gun. TPP is the most recent example of this. The banking changes that lead to 2009 happened in the 90s in the US and were then forced down the throats of every country the US controls.

    People everywhere are sick of this and tiny changes to State Department policy are not going to make a difference. Maybe stop forcing people to change their laws to fit the world view of your average New York yuppie and people might change their minds about the U.S.

  32. Use of understatement to make a point is always risky. My opening paragraph with a reference to “occasional dubious policies” and a few subsequent barbs were obviously not enough for some readers looking for a clear castigation of overall US actions abroad.

    The column’s point was not to analyze those actions or policies but to comment on some of the peculiar methods used by the US government to influence public opinion abroad. The US has long been a geo-strategic paradise, relatively speaking. A case can be made for having avoided overseas conflicts long before we developed the overseas meddling bug. But once policies have been decided, good or bad, it is not for overseas diplomatic missions to publicly challenge those policies.

    One can only fit so much into a single article. I focused on our PR efforts here. I can and have been scathing elsewhere about some policies themselves But in answer to a few objections raised here and in other reader comments:

    “Kiza” agrees at least with my point that US & Russian objectives in the areas mentioned are not the same. Kiza objects to my point that Russia’s “annexation” of part of the Ukraine was one of the factors that substantively differentiated the two countries’ actions. But the Ukraine’s geographical integrity had already been accepted by Russia, the UN etc. I do not find it unreasonable that it become part of Russia again. But this method of “correcting” borders in Europe has been rejected since Germany started “correcting” things through its “Heim ins Reich” policy that triggered WWII.

    Washington has a long record of withdrawing its armed forces from territories entered without permission of host government capitals at the time, e.g. France to name one of many. Not only has Moscow’s record been far more spotted, its intentions were different from the outset. This matters! Economic sanctions have been a mild reaction to Putin’s latest “corrections.” They will not reverse the annexation, but in showing that it was not cost-free, the appetite for more territory may get spoiled somewhat. In Europe and elsewhere, there are too many borders that have been less than ideally drawn. The US and others paid a price for the way we went about liberating countries. Putin’s methods should also have a price.

    Some readers scoff at the idea that Saddam was a tyrant! What can one say, other than we sometimes learn the hard way that prolonged civil war and chaos can sometimes be worse than tyranny. We should not be in the habit of deciding for others.

    Some readers still insist that the Iraq invasion was all about concessions for US oil companies.That’s simplistic. As I suggested, there were better ways to accomplish that goal. One might also recall Ronald Reagan’s ordering the US Occidental Oil company to terminate its Libyan investment in the 1980s. European companies picked up the concessions at bargain prices. There are other factors behind US policy in the region than oil companies alone.

    Ronald Thomas West, referring to my Grenada remark, also seems to miss the point about not all invasions being equal. The very week that this was raised in connection with the Putin/Ukraine TV discussion, Grenada’s government had again displayed its independence by cutting a deal with Venezuela’s President Maduro that Washington had actively opposed. This and much other defiance of Washington belies the claim that a quick military in-and-out action is the same as an annexation minus the necessity of an ongoing military occupation in order to maintain “empire.”

    As I said, the moral equivalency was around during the worst periods of Soviet repression. Not surprising it’s still popular with many on the left during this relatively benign period of Moscow’s rule. Though I eschewed discussing policies (other than PR) in my column, I’ll spare a few words here to correct any impression (not specifically stated) that Grenadian Prime Minister Maurice Bishop’s death was at the hands of the US.

    A week before the US invasion, the popular Maurice Bishop and seven others, including his mistress and some ministers, were summarily executed before a firing squad by their Stalinist comrades. It was an internal coup d’état by hard-liners within the government against moderate, self-declared “communists.” The executions and the follow-up curfew triggered widespread popular unrest and a trip to Washington and call for help by prime ministers of three other neighboring islands that were bound together with Grenada in the Organization of Easter Caribbean States (which shared a common judiciary, currency etc. but had no armies). Protection of US medical students was a major justification used by Washington and a highly dubious one at that. Nevertheless, the majority of the 100,000 island’s population flocked to cheer “Daddy Regan” when he later visited the island. The narrative sold well in the US as well. But our PR attempts at providing context were a dismal failure in much of Europe and Latin America.

  33. American society lives on a very short time-horizon, conveniently forgetting its actions and cultural behavior of the recent past and insisting that the rest of the world follow in its latest fads. Notable, of course, is the hypocrisy over homosexuality where it is now high fashion here for openly gay persons to hold pubic office and for Government buildings to fly the “Pride” flag. There is outrage that Russia, a society which, after all, has ‘come a long way over difficult ground’ during the past century, isn’t quite as ready to march in step just yet! It is only a scant, what, twelve years, since Lawrence vs. Texas saw the decriminalization of sodomy in the USA itself. Hip-Hop, I dare to suggest, will sink into deserved historical oblivion within a couple of decades.

    So steady on! Perhaps we should allow a little breathing space while we digest our latest obsession before ramming it down others’ throats – and indeed enough time to ensure that it is going to last and not be replaced with some further nonsense.

  34. @Kiza

    Thanks for saving me the bother.

    The LGBT agenda is a top-down social, cultural and political manipulations designed to advance the normalizing of Assisted Reproductive Technology or A.R.T. The agenda is even being implemented in the education system, in the guise of ‘sex-education’ aimed – not at teenagers – but elementary schoolchildren. That the Human Rights Campaign only narrowly voted against membership being extended to NAMBLA should tell you something about their ‘welfare’ concerns..

    The re-definition of marriage was considered to be the central plank of the agenda – as well as the rising inequality globally, which is essential to establishing a female underclass to exploit for their eggs/wombs. It is in full swing in California, birthplace of the eugenics movement (bankrolled by Rockfeller among others: the ubermensch rich have always been obsessed with ‘breeding’.)

    There is serious money behind this agenda. The same political Big Money donors are financing the promotion of LGBT via foreign policy as they offer the perfect platform for the complete dissociation of sexual relationships from procreation – the objective being the wealth-class ‘owning’ motherhood.

    As they are also globalists, with financial transnational interests, it is imperative their A.R.T. offspring have an unassailable international legal framework to keep assets within hereditary dynasties. It’s no accident that SCOTUS were not just instructed to re-define marriage, but to demand *international* recognition for it too.

    Always follow the money. Without the support of the 1%, LGBT groups (more than half now instantly ‘created’. not grass-roots) would have remained a relatively marginal lobby: much of the ‘activism’ – particularly in foreign countries – is of the Sorosian variety, as the Russians well know.
    The majority of gays- particularly gay men – do not experience significant differences in income, housing or any other civil metric. In fact, gay men have a high proportion of great wealth, as even a cursory glance at the entertainment industry would show. They are also major donors/actors in genetic research, much of it unethical.

    The irony of homofascism – the promotion of eugenics – paralleling the ‘untermensch’ colonialism of Israeli Jews has yet to fully surface in te States. But the French have fully understood the significance, despite gay marriage being passed by the despised Hollande government (funded by Rockfeller via oil interests in Quatar.)

    But perhaps the recent outcry over the obscene behaviour at the world’s largest Pride march in Brazil will act as a wake-up call: no, the lobby is not remotely about family values – quite the reverse.

  35. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Gene Tuttle

    But this method of “correcting” borders in Europe has been rejected since Germany started “correcting” things through its “Heim ins Reich” policy that triggered WWII. “

    The US changed borders in the Balkans in the 90’s with it’s arming, training, subversion and bombing campaign. Or have you forgotten?

    But once policies have been decided, good or bad, it is not for overseas diplomatic missions to publicly challenge those policies.

    It’s mission is to crank out Orwellian lies on it’s behalf. They make a desert and call it ‘liberation’.

    The US and others paid a price for the way we went about liberating countries. Putin’s methods should also have a price.

    What price should Putin pay? What price should we pay for killing hundreds of thousands of people and turning millions of people into penniless refugees forced to flee for their lives? Is there a price tag on that? Lying for a living must pay pretty well.

  36. @Gene Tuttle

    I do not find it unreasonable that it become part of Russia again. But this method of “correcting” borders in Europe has been rejected since Germany started “correcting” things through its “Heim ins Reich” policy that triggered WWII.

    Unfortunately it was the US/NATO/EU entity that reintroduced the changing of European borders by force back in 1999. Yugoslavia was bombed for failing to accept the de facto independence of the breakaway province of Kosovo and hundreds of Yugoslav civilians and about a thousand military were killed in the process. This precedent has repeatedly been cited by the Russian Federation and with good cause.

    You also mentioned a journalist on German TV compared the recent role of the Russian Federation in Crimea to the US invasion of Grenada and rightly said the two cases are apples and oranges. I myself would contrast the recent actions of the “polite green men” in Crimea with the US operation in Panama back in 1989-90. Both the Russian Federation in Crimea and the US in Panama had troops on the ground under treaty, both Crimea and Panama are strategically vital to Russia and the US respectively but the two military operations could not have been more different for the local populations.

    It could reasonably be argued that President Bush was acting as an American looking out for vital American interests but can the same be said about the many, many US interventions since? Bringing chaos and death to huge swaths of the world map might be in the interest of the great globalist blob but is it in the interest of Americans or westerners generally? The EU/NATO/US/IMF/G7/Bilderberg entity, blob or egregore might think these wars, these pride parades, colour revolutions, ambassadorial hip hop outreach campaigns, mass immigration policies are to its liking but is it good for the rest of us? This isn’t even about America anymore: the globalist blob doesn’t care if it uses US embassies in Europe to promote hip-hoppery any more than it cares about eyebrows raised over having a non-Brit running the Bank of England, having a disgraced Georgian President be made governor of Odessa, or having a mysterious Tropical-American in the White House. The globalist blob is beyond such 19th century concerns.

    The overlapping and interconnected cliques that make up the globalist blob have a problem with Putin but that doesn’t mean the rest of us do too.

  37. @unpc downunder

    Paid saboteurs don’t care if what they sabotage is viable over the long run.

  38. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    http://news.yahoo.com/over-100-000-tel-aviv-gay-pride-parade-121413631.html

    Global homosexual community blesses the Zionist occupation of Palestine. What else is new? What else is to be expected from a movement funded by Hollywood, Las Vegas, Silicon Valley, and Wall Street?

  39. Kiza says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Really nicely written. I feel the same that the sheer meanness of these Foreign Service “brats” is showing that the US empire is not a self-confident empire any more. One could call McFaul even a gentleman compared with Kerry. As a specialist in color revolutions McFaul appears to have been successfully blocked in Russia by FSB and/or whoever else. Although not such a specialist in revolutionary government change, Geoffrey Pyatt has “achieved” much more in Ukraine and has now become a legend within the US Foreign Service. Naturally, Ukraine was a much softer target, but it still required freshly printed $5B to bring down a very corrupt government and replace it with another even more corrupt but subservient to the US. This “achievement” in Ukraine is state-of-the-art of government change (social and political engineering), especially considering the size of the country. When the “revolution” is finished in another few years, even the bare bones of Ukraine will be picked – absolutely nothing will be left. For example, 95% of the Ukrainian national gold which the “corrupt” Yanukovytch accumulated for the country has been stolen within days of the US “revolution”.

    Many commentators say that the only way to pull a rug from under the US military and color revolutions is to change the status of the US$ as the reserve currency of the World. By using US$ as the reserve currency, countries are financing their own occupations and government changes. A race is now on – will the US bring down Russia and China, or will those two be able to replace the US$. I believe that the US$ will remain the leading currency of the Western block, but Chinese RMB will become the reserve currency of the rest of the World. It will not be pretty when all those zillions of printed US$ currently held by foreigners start coming back home to US.

  40. Kiza says:
    @Gene Tuttle

    “But the Ukraine’s geographical integrity had already been accepted by Russia, the UN etc.”

    I am glad that Mr Tuttle mentioned this point, because this is the key argument that the US Foreign Service makes at the international level (UN, G1+satellites etc). Interestingly, this same point is not used by the US Propaganda Machine, which emphasizes the emotional arguments, such as “you just do not take a piece of another country in the 21. century“.

    It is true that Russia has accepted Ukraine in the borders including Crimea. One could argue that this has been signed by Russia under Yeltsin, which was subservient to the US, but nevertheless a binding agreement has been signed.

    Yet, the US is a signatory of the UN Charter and this charter specifically states that one country cannot change government in another. There is ample evidence that the US Government has changed the government of Ukraine, before the Ukrainian border has been changed.

    The real chutzpah of the US Foreign Service and that of its Western satellites is to hold only Russia to international agreements, whilst excluding itself completely. If you did not comprehend what US as an “exceptional and indispensable nation” meant, now you know: anything US signs, anything US accepts, it does not apply to the US, only to others.

    In a real-politik way, which is such a favorite of the US and UK, a new “reality on the ground” has been established by Russia by accepting the accession of Crimea back into Russia (make fun of a referendum if you like, but at least there was one unlike the Obama’s acid-dream imaginary one in Kosovo).

    On top of this is, as other two commentators have pointed out, it is the US which changed the internationally and UN-accepted borders of the country Yugoslavia (which does not exist any more). The US killed several thousand (about 4000) civilians and draftees (Yugoslavia did not have a professional mercenary army like the US) and made about $100B of damage to the country, to separate a piece of its territory and build its big Bondsteel military base there (note that Russia has had its military base in Crimea for a couple of centuries). The US, Canadian and German corporations, headed by the leaders of this “humanitarian intervention”, are now making a killing on the above ground and underground riches of Kosovo.

    Mr Tuttle really needs to understand that the rest of the World will never have the chicken memory as the US population. Thus the verbal shenanigans of the US Foreign Service (Image Building) will never get far. President Obama may get an applause for his speech at the UN because the US still has the most powerful military in the World, but the US will never be able to isolate Russia (the goal all of all this border-rhetoric) on the basis of disrespect for the same international agreements that the US does not give a hoots about.

    Also, I believe I got an undeserved label of being left-wing by the author. I am as much left-wing as my idol Ron Paul.

  41. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Gene Tuttle

    You still didn’t “defend our motives” for the Iraq invasion in 2003 to name one. Pretty tall order huh? I think your article and this defense of it are just a foregin service professional’s continuing subtle efforts to disarm opposition to immoral US government policies by slight of hand. You are cagey enough to know that being an outright apologist for the polices that benefit certain special interests is a non-starter. Instead you use the issues of homosexuality and racism to distract from the real evils and then attempt take the edge off the war crimes by throwing in subtle implications that there were good motives behind them. Ronald West had it half right. Not a hack job of a propaganda piece, but a moderately sophistcated propaganda piece. Shameful nonetheless.

  42. I saw this story today at Infowars that I think it is relevant to this conversation:

    ‘Are you crazy?’ People in Moscow widely oppose fake petition to nuke America
    Calling the plan “crazy,” Russians refused to leave their signatures under a fake “petition” to send missiles to America

    http://www.infowars.com/are-you-crazy-people-in-moscow-widely-oppose-fake-petition-to-nuke-america-video/

    If you stand back and look at this story you see there’s a back-and-forth dialogue going on between the Texas-based Infowars and the Moscow-based RT and they’re talking around or past the mainstream media and foreign policy establishment. This particular exchange of “man on the street” video clips is trivial but the dis-intermediated conversation between middle Americans and Russians is not, especially when they’re coming to agreement on how much they’re both endangered by the Washington consensus.

    By the way, both Infowars and RT love replaying the video clips of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton saying “we’re losing the information war”.

  43. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @The Scalpel

    Many of us here don’t share your enthusiasm for social and cultural filth and Muslim Male Yoot gang-raping of European Teenage girls….the future Mothers of European Males. Your enthusiasm for homo normed culture and Muslim Male Gang Rape of European Women is brutal savage warfare against European People.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  44. @Truth

    You don’t seem to understand my point, which is this:

    It was absurd for my government to pay a speaker to tell us that our country will fall.

    This scenario was presented as inevitable, rather than something to be prevented. Implicit was the idea that we should just roll over and accept it. This was being said to a young, captive, white audience by a black man who was obviously taking pleasure in it.

    BTW, Sub-Saharan Africans, the ones this joker was referring to and identifying with (his people) have never had the world’s leading civilization. That was part of his bullshit. His other bullshit was telling us, in a government training session, that our team is going to lose. Can you imagine a coach saying things like that to his team?

    This is a zero-sum game, and you probably don’t realize it. I don’t want to be on a losing team. You apparently wish loss upon me and my country. For that you can go to hell.

    I realize you may find my attitude reprehensible, but I know that is because you have lived blissfully ignorant of what you will lose if you no longer have the dignity of this civilization.

    Hiring that speaker, in 1978, was an early act of suicide on the part of my country. You can rejoice that the schizophrenic effort to destroy ourselves from within has been going on that long.

    I am old enough that I will not be here to suffer in the shit hole you hope for. I hope you are young, so that if your wish comes true, you have to suffer the consequences.

  45. @Ivy

    Let us begin that Europeans and non Europeans have a different ethos concerning music. In non European societies music is spontaneous, and comes from the inner most parts of consciousness while the European ethos comes from putting notes together in a way that is second hand (this is not to say they are less prone to the sounds of music-just different). Hip-hop origins were about defiance to an aggressive cultural trait that had to be transcended and hip hop was that tool. It then spread to other parts of the world where foreign hegemony was confronted by this US form of defiance before an unholy regime.

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