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[Excerpted from Chapter 11 of Wild Life: Adventures of an Evolutionary Biologist by Prof. Robert Trivers.]

One of the few benefits of moving from Harvard to the University of California at Santa Cruz in 1978 was the chance to meet the legendary founder of the Black Panther Party Huey Newton. Indeed he was waved in front of me as a reason to come to Santa Cruz. He was a graduate student in “History of Social Consciousness” – roughly equivalent to Western Civilization – who had the wit to see that “social consciousness” started long before the Greeks and, in some form, by the time of the insects. He had gotten his undergraduate degree from Santa Cruz in 1974 and befriended Dr. Burney Le Boeuf, the celebrated student of elephant seals. Burney had been preaching the beauties of evolutionary biology – my own work in particular – to Huey, and so I had the good fortune of meeting him after he had already been well-primed.

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I needed no priming. In the early ’60s I had come to believe that African Americans should take a page out of Jewish history and murder those murderers of their own people who did not and could not receive justice in any other way. Just as the Jews had caught, tried, convicted, and executed Adolf Eichmann, I fantasized about a crack infiltration team doing the same in Mississippi to Byron de la Beckwith, who had murdered the courageous black NAACP leader Medgar Evers and then been duly acquitted by an all-male, all white jury in that state “drenched in racism.” I had fantasies of doing so myself, but they were very short-lived ones – most likely I would not have reached the city limits before a cop pulled me over and said, “Let’s see what this nice little white boy from Harvard has to say about the murder of dear old Byron.”

So when I first read that so-called Black Panthers in Oakland were patrolling, and, if necessary, killing racist white police officers and appearing to get away with it I said, “Right on.” And I say it to this day. Some deserve the death penalty, others multiple years in prison. I remain convinced that the Panthers were largely on the right side of justice.

The Trick of the Panthers

The Panthers began with patrolling the police. They would follow police at night or patrol until they came across police-citizen interactions. Huey might then emerge from a car with a law book in his hand and read out in a loud voice that, by law, “excessive” force cannot be used during an arrest. The police would invariably answer, “Our force isn’t excessive.” Huey would read them the legal evidence on that point. They would say, “Get the fuck out of here.” He would answer that a citizen is allowed to remain within a reasonable distance of an arrest. They would say, “Your distance is unreasonable.” He would flip to the relevant page and read the appellate ruling that declared a reasonable distance was ten yards or whatever, and it would go on like this.

Huey didn’t invent patrolling police behavior. It was started by an L.A. organization called US in 1965, but there was one critical difference in their approach: US were unarmed. One night the LAPD beat all of them up, and that was the end of that. He was armed. He knew he had the right to be armed, and he knew he had the courage. So when he emerged from the car there was usually a gun beneath the law book so that, should the interaction turn hostile or threatening, he could be ready with a response. All this waslegal back then, riding shotgun, in effect, on the police themselves.

During the war the Panthers waged between 1967 and 1973, roughly fifteen officers died for every thirty-five Panthers. Not a bad kill-ratio when fighting the United States of America. I believe the Panthers had the largest single effect on integrating police forces in this country. The reasoning being: hey, if black people are firing at our officers, let’s have some black officers firing back.

First Meeting

Dr. William Moore called in the fall of 1978 to say that Huey, who was then in prison, charged with beating up a tailor in his home for calling him “boy,” wanted to take a reading course from me. I said that was fine but I wanted a paragraph from Mr. Newton on what he wanted to read. Before he could reply he was released from lock-up and traveled to Santa Cruz to meet me. We met at Dr. LeBoeuf’s home. Huey was accompanied by Dr. Moore, his aide-de-camp Mark Alexander, and his bodyguard Larry Henson. When he told me that he had spent three years in solitary confinement, I asked him if he’d ever feared or endured a mental breakdown in all that solitude. He described a night when his whole psyche seemed to fragment and tear apart and he had to struggle to hold himself together and fight the fragmentation. This he acted out, with strong arm muscles acting to compress some exploding object. So we formed a strong psychological bond on the spot. I had suffered the fragmentation and collapse, he had fought it off, and he was open about it.

By the way, if you had a feeling for “vibes” (as Californians called it) you could feel Huey shivering as he sat talking. This was a result, I believe, of his having just come out of two months of the male-male hell that is prison.

We decided to do a reading course on deceit and self-deception, a subject I was eager to develop and on which Huey turned out to be a master. He was a master at propagating deception, at seeing through deception in others, and at beating your self-deception out of you. He fell down, as do we all, when it came to his own self-deception.

A Day with Huey

Shortly after that first meeting at Dr. LeBouf’s house, I was invited to Huey’s home for our first class together. This is hardly how it would have gone with any other student. But this wasn’t any other student, so I drove to Oakland and spent seven hours in his home as his guest, the intensity of the situation leavened by the presence of his beautiful wife Gwen.

Huey Newton was certainly one of the five or six brightest human beings I have ever met. Each of those five or six has had a different sort of intelligence, and Huey’s forte was aggressive logic. While you had to lean over to hear what Bill Hamilton was saying, sometimes you would be blasted against the back wall by what Huey was saying. And he moved his logical sentences as if they were chess pieces meant to trap you and render you impotent. “Oh, so if that is the case, then this must be true.” If you moved away from where he was pushing you, he would say, “Well, if that is true, then surely so-and so must be true.” So he was maneuvering you via logic into an indefensible position. The argument often had a double-or-nothing quality about it where, in effect, he was doubling the stakes for each logical alternative, giving you the unpleasant sensation that you were losing more heavily as the argument wore on, making more and more costly mistakes.

The shortest form of this argument could be called the “Huey two-step,” as in the following. Huey was angry at me one day for allowing myself to be described in a popular scientific magazine article as knowledgeable about both cocaine and marijuana prices on the streets of Montego Bay. It was a mistake to mix the two, was Huey’s contention; one was enough. And since I was already widely associated with marijuana, which in turn had numerous redeeming qualities, Huey felt I should not be publicly associated with cocaine. Of course he was right. So I came up with some feeble argument about how if it was useful to others to know this fact (though I had no reason to suspect it would be) then the cost of self-revelation to me didn’t matter. Almost like Jesus volunteering to be tortured on the cross. To which he replied, “In thatcase, why don’t you lecture naked?” Newton two-step. Argument over.

Speaking of cocaine, I was naïve enough that, during that first independent study session at his house, I never noticed the white powder around his nostrils, nor how often he left the room and returned. I was only told later that he stayed up the whole night before our visit, snorting cocaine throughout, as his wife begged him to get some rest and not destroy another important meeting. Cocaine was Huey’s drug and his downfall, but in this case I think it only buzzed him enough to overwhelm me – indeed, I had to take my customary nap before heading back down the road. He made me take the nap in his own bed while all was silent throughout the house. That was Huey Newton: if you were his guest in his home, you came first. That was the warmth of the man. As for cocaine, at that time in Oakland it was known as “the dancing lady” and you were warned, “Mind that she dances off with you some night.”

After that trip, my wife and I had them down to Santa Cruz and shortly after he arrived, having already mastered the basics of evolutionary logic, he took me aside and said, “There is only one thing we might disagree on – do you believe in free will?” I answered that I didn’t know what people actually meant when they used the term but that I believed organisms had the ability to look back on their actions and decide whether they wanted to repeat them. He embraced me. We apparently disagreed on nothing.

My First Night Out with Huey

The next time I saw Huey we met for a men’s night out – me, Huey, and two of his top guards, Larry and George, set out to hit a few clubs in West Oakland. We ended up at a very pleasant club, filled with people of both sexes, and we had plenty of laughs and fun interactions with the larger crew, but, as would happen so often, we stayed too long. The club thinned down to us at a table and three drinkers at the bar. Huey called for a final drink. It was 1:50 a.m.

The waitress came back to say that it was too near closing time (2:00 a.m.) and she couldn’t serve him a drink. He told her to tell the bartender that he wanted a drink. She returned to say that the bartender couldn’t do what he’d asked, since it was closing time. Larry and George got up and stood by the front door and the door to the men’s room, each unbuttoning his jacket. Huey now walked up to the bar and said, “If you don’t serve me I’ll knock this place over.” Wow, I thought, this is getting exciting. I’m about to be the getaway driver on an armed robbery! I later learned that knocking the place over meant robbery of the entire club, including all its patrons. There was a deep silence. Then a tall, thin, gray-haired, light skinned, African-American man of perhaps seventy spoke up: “Well serve the man a drink!” Brilliant stroke. Problem solved, bartender busy at work, Huey back in his chair.

The drink arrived. Huey had a five-dollar bill to cover the two dollar cost. No, it was on the house, said the waitress. No I insist, said Huey. No, no, no, no – no charge for your drink. Huey insisted, the five dollars went on her tray, he drank the drink and we rolled on out.

I felt great. Huey explained the details of what we’d just been through to me as we roared off laughing. Fast departure because you never know when reinforcements will arrive. Absolute necessity of paying for the drink because in the eyes of the law if you accept a free drink under threat of armed robbery, you have committed armed robbery.

Huey incidentally was an expert in the law, especially misdemeanor law. His familiarity with the field began with his father, who taught him that the police use misdemeanors to catch you in your felonies, so you had to pay close attention to misdemeanor law. His father also taught him that you can take a killing but you can’t take a beating and warned him to avoid, “Liars, thieves and gamblers.”

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The importance of attention to misdemeanor law was brought home to me very forcefully late one night when we were driving around in West Oakland, me at the wheel. Huey told me to turn around, so I made a U-turn. Immediately, he began to berate me: “It’s illegal to make a U-turn within the city limits.” “But it’s three in the morning.” “The law applies 24/7.” “But there’s nobody around to see us.” “You don’t know that. You only know you can’t see anyone.” He proceeded to instruct me on the proper move, which was to turn left into someone’s driveway and back out facing in the opposite direction.

So misdemeanors were off the table. And if he was committing a felony, he always warned you. Sometimes he would get in my car and say, “I’m dirty.” This meant either that he was carrying a gun or a quarter pound of cocaine. He carried each on a couple of occasions with me. In one case we were on our way to see some ex-Party members who were now into cocaine full-time in West Oakland and lived in the Acorn apartment complex. In the Acorn complex, you were in danger of being robbed on the way in and robbed on the way out. Either way, this put both of us in jeopardy. But I had chosen to become a Panther as a mere foot soldier; Huey was dominant and so I rolled with Huey. We were not robbed and no police officer ever stopped us. One of Huey’s legs was a bit shorter than the other and Huey could exaggerate the resulting limp so people would see quickly it was Huey Newton arriving with security in the form of me.

(Republished from Wild Life by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Wow. Talk about a combination of “self-aware” and “oblivious”…

  2. He fell down, as do we all, when it came to his own self-deception.

    This piece shows Trivers falling down more than most.

  3. Whaddaya know. Gonzo biology.

  4. Hubbub says:

    “History of Social Consciousness” – roughly equivalent to Western Civilization.” LOL

    Huey = con man

    Robert = patsy

  5. Rehmat says:

    Hmmmmm! Does Trivers know that his confessed association with Black Panther Party would classify him “antisemite” by Ben Carson and Hillary Clinton?

    On May 18, 2013, the Anti-Defamation League, the powerful Israeli advocacy group, declared Malik Zulu Shabazz, Nadia Assata Shakur and the New Black Panther Party (NBPP) being anti-Israel and anti-Jews; thus “antisemite”, even though studies after studies have proved that a great majority of Jews are not Semite people.

    In 2013, FBI offered $2 million for Assata Shakur captured “alive or dead”. A former Black Panther Party activist hiding in Cuba.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/09/18/assata-shakur-from-civil-rights-activist-to-terrorist/

  6. averages are important in designing functioning societies. Blacks on average make a civilized life with them impossible, even slavery and jim crow was not workable and also cruel. The fact of you outlier black friends being so nice is irrelevant. whats going on is people are trying to live and even upraise blacks while liberals point at the injustices of a few and propagandize away the reality of the many. The problem is blacks are not evolved for western environment anymore than we are for hunter gathering on a Savannah or cooperative rice farming on a east asian hillside. multiculturalism destroys everyones culture and dignity. The alternative to heavy handed policing og blacks proved over and over is haiti. blacks should be returned to their natural environment and all western technology and aid removed let them subside to a sustainable level of large fauna living traditional african ways.

  7. Rehmat says:
    @Colleen Pater

    The White neo-Nazis are so stupid they even don’t know they are used as “sheep” by the Organized Jewry. From KKK to English Defense League are all funded by Zionists.

    Evan Hughes in his June 28, 2011 article in The AWL says that the Jewish inventer of Sea-Monkeys, Harold von Braunhut (d. 2003), helped Klansman buy 83 guns in 1980.

    “It’s tempting to think that von Braunhut’s biggest con was convincing himself to buy into preposterous and despicable ideas. Unfortunately for the world, however, that’s not so unusual. More extraordinary is this: Richard Girnt Butler (leader of Aryan Nations), who preached that Jews were descended from Satan, had a man who was known to be born Jewish preside over his wife’s funeral in 1995. Harold von Braunhut had won Butler (d. 2004) over. That’s what salesmen do,” wrote Hughes. Who could argue with that – after all the current best con-man, Benji Netanyahu, was a furniture salesman in the US.

    Some people say Harold von Braunhut was an anti-Zionist Jew, which makes sense – otherwise why he is still hunted in his grave by pro-Israel media.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/07/07/von-braunhut-kkks-jewish-helper/

  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Not amusing. King of the nerds Trivers has a homoerotic fascination for Newton what with his gushing over his “strong arm muscles” and macho strut. Bartenders and waitresses are working people trying to earn a living. Threatening them is not very cute but it’s ok if they’re mere white people being threatened by a revolutionary ‘star’ such as the muscled crackhead Newton who doesn’t seem to have ever actually held a job himself. That Newton killed some people and ruined people’s lives doesn’t seem to bother nerd Trivers; as long as Newton could spout some Franz Fanon all is well. Newton was inherently a criminal who was brighter than the average thug and so had better game, creating a radical persona that paid off and made him a well known public figure. Trivers hung on Newton’s coattails for the ride and the excitement it would bring, a groupie putting himself into proximity with Newton and trying to get the spillover glow from him. Hanging on Newton because he’s so smart and has such big muscles and is really, oh my, so tough and macho, he’s just such a maaaan!!

  9. “been duly acquitted by an all-male, all white jury”

    Actually, Byron de la Beckwith’s first two trials resulted in hung juries, not acquittals. His third trial resulted in a conviction and life sentence, albeit after the time described in the article. Still, one would expect a greater attachment to facts from a Harvard academic who wears his credentials on his sleeve.

  10. J1234 says:

    Trivers is fucked in the head. He makes the mistake of many accomplished people in believing that his elevated competence in one area imputes an elevated competence in all areas. In turn, a black guy manipulates him verbally, so that black guy must be one of the world’s great geniuses. In my younger days, I worked with the mentally retarded in human services, and found that they (or many of them) could also routinely manipulate people who had higher IQ’s, in one fashion or another. I guess they were geniuses, too.

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    , @JackOH
  11. Robert Trivers may be the only public figure who is genuinely alt-left.

  12. RobinG says:
    @J1234

    He makes the mistake of many accomplished people in believing that his elevated competence in one area imputes an elevated competence in all areas

    File this under Universal Truths.

  13. When good ole’ Huey stated that if he didn’t get his way he’d produce mayhem, an employee of the place should have put the front sight of a rifle on his chest and pressed the go lever.

    I’m getting pretty sick of celebrating those who think they set the rules in other people’s lives. If Huey and his ilk wish to live like that, I’m all in favor of moving them all to a particular geography (I don’t much care where) and telling them that if they try to access the side of the line where I and mine live they’ll be shot on sight. Same fate should await anyone engaging in a chimp-out.

    Take 40 million US blacks and put them in a nice state or two. Let them bring with them whatever they own. Then No. More. Support. No free food. No free clothes or shoes or Obamaphones. No free water, sewage treatment, electricity or heat. Only a free ticket, at any time they wish, back to the continent of their ancestors.

    And if any decide that life with YT was better, tough. Anyone crossing the bridge gets put in the running for the Darwin Award.

  14. @anonymous

    That Newton killed some people and ruined people’s lives doesn’t seem to bother nerd Trivers

    Trivers displays all the obvious signs of a man addicted to the dopamine rush of a false sense of moral superiority. That he exhibits such signs is like suggesting that a finned, gilled creature looks like a fish.

    Addicts stick to observably destructive patterns, providing often sophisticated rationalizations that justify their belief in magic (in this case, Magic Negroes.)

  15. JackOH says:
    @J1234

    “He makes the mistake . . . that his elevated competence in one area imputes an elevated competence in all areas.” Exactly true for a noticeable number of Ph. D. holders. With the exceptions of their earned doctorate, specific teaching and research experience, and, perhaps, expertise in specific hobbies, the average academic has no better knowledge or judgment than your average moderately educated Joe.

    I don’t know how someone who writes ” . . . murder those murderers of their own people . . .” expects to be regarded.

  16. pyrrhus says:

    Trivers is an extremely bright and inquisitive fellow, but lacked real world knowledge about the US because of his sheltered upbringing. He apparently didn’t notice that Boston was having very negative reactions to school busing and other forced integration–racist even, haha,–during his time at Harvard….it is remarkable how easily academics are sucked in by high class, intelligent con men like Huey Newton.

  17. Hepp says:

    So when I first read that so-called Black Panthers in Oakland were patrolling, and, if necessary, killing racist white police officers and appearing to get away with it I said, “Right on.” And I say it to this day. Some deserve the death penalty, others multiple years in prison. I remain convinced that the Panthers were largely on the right side of justice.

    What evil BS. The crime rate went up like 6 times in the 1960s, yet people stupidly believe that the problem is “racist cops.” Tens of thousands have been killed thanks to this attitude, and entire cities destroyed. Yet this nonsense continues.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
  18. Hepp says:

    And since I was already widely associated with marijuana, which in turn had numerous redeeming qualities, Huey felt I should not be publicly associated with cocaine. Of course he was right. So I came up with some feeble argument about how if it was useful to others to know this fact (though I had no reason to suspect it would be) then the cost of self-revelation to me didn’t matter. Almost like Jesus volunteering to be tortured on the cross. To which he replied, “In thatcase, why don’t you lecture naked?” Newton two-step. Argument over.

    That’s the best example from one of the 5 or 6 brightest minds you ever met? Sound like perhaps a 110-120 IQ, but mixed with enough confidence to overwhelm those looking for a chocolate messiah.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  19. Ron Unz compared this guy to Richard Feynman favorably. Mr Unz is very smart in some ways but apparently not in all.

  20. JackOH says:
    @Hepp

    Hepp, I read that, too, and scratched my head that Prof. Trivers would allow himself to publish this nonsense.

  21. spandrell says: • Website

    Gotta appreciate the irony of posting this just after Trivers’ getting almost killed during a home invasion in Jamaica.

    Boomers are funny.

  22. Rich says:

    The author of this article should be tried, convicted and deported to the sub-Saharan nation of his choice. The obviously homoerotic fixation he had on this low life murderer is sickening. How does drivel like this even get published?

  23. Wow. This was 40+ years ago and this guy is still high from the excitement of rolling with Hughie. Loved the bar at closing time story. To turn an insane, over the top, potentially homicidal altercation over nothing into a whimsical morality play about the alluring dangers of the trumped up misdemeanor to the unwary criminal was just amazing. Written while on a bad acid trip I can only assume.

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  24. @anonymous

    Finally someone said it. The picture looks as though he he’s pleased that Newton gave him his phone number for their first date. In this instance, Newton will be the man, of course.

    Honestly can’t imagine any black man, then or now, being that buggered head over heels a la exhibiting gushing homoerotic fanboy tendencies toward a well known nationally famous “studly/manly” white man. (e.g. Peyton Manning).

    Its quite pathetic that a grown up with an IQ probably in the top 3% of the nation would exhibit such immature tendencies. ‘He’s mine, fellas! He’s alllll mine!” Utter pathetic.

    One has to also wonder if Trivers’s fiancee left him for a “real” man and the professor is thinking ‘well, if you can’t beat them, join them.’

    Really quite pathetic.

  25. Hepp says:
    @Clearpoint

    What struck me about the bar story is that the earlier stuff you could justify as racist cops and fighting back and unjust system and all that nonsense. But what’s the moral justification for threatening to rob a bar and everyone in it so that they serve you a drink? Pure joy in sadism and thuggery, without the most feeble attempt at a moral justification. That anecdote in particular caused me to lose the last shred of respect I had for Trivers.

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  26. Big Bill says:
    @Hepp

    Cut Travers some slack. He’s Jewish. It goes with the territory.

  27. Art says:

    Huey Newton aside – Robert Trivers is a major figure in science. The field of Sociobiology is a giant step in the field of Darwinian evolution.

    Out of respect, knowledgeable people, give those in his intellectual class great leeway.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    , @Jay
  28. @Hepp

    I gathered that the closing time was a ruse. If possible, they preferred to avoid serving Newton. After all, can’t you normally buy a drink up to closing time (following last call)?

    Why must Trivers moralize about it? I’m not moralizing either, but everyone ignores that the context suggests that Newton had no intention of robbing anyone (he wouldn’t even take the drink for free) and that the threat was made as part of a racial power struggle, conceived as nationalist.

    • Replies: @Hepp
  29. @Art

    “Out of respect, knowledgeable people, give those in his intellectual class great leeway.”

    Uh,….no. That’s not how life works.

    If a respected scholar, scientist, etc. held an opposite viewpoints from the political Left, and he were to espouse various opinions regarding say, David Duke, and held to views that are more consistent with Duke’s ideology regarding race, and racial relations, etc., would this person be given slack and leeway in the MSM and/or the popular culture at large?

    Answer: No. He’d be lucky not to be indicted for a hate crime, especially if it was published in an autobiography. Witness the treatment that esteemed scientist James Watson received for his opinions. Was it anywhere near what this person is receiving? The answer is obvious.

    If one should be given a pass, based on his academic credentials then so too should all academics be given a pass, based on academic credentials/prowess. In the ideal world, this consistency shown to academics would certainly occur.

    Unfortunately, however, we do not live in the ideal world and must face the world head on as it really is.

    • Replies: @Art
  30. Bill P says:

    I needed no priming. In the early ’60s I had come to believe that African Americans should take a page out of Jewish history and murder those murderers of their own people who did not and could not receive justice in any other way. Just as the Jews had caught, tried, convicted, and executed Adolf Eichmann, I fantasized about a crack infiltration team doing the same in Mississippi to Byron de la Beckwith, who had murdered the courageous black NAACP leader Medgar Evers and then been duly acquitted by an all-male, all white jury in that state “drenched in racism.”

    I don’t really have a dog in this fight (I’m not a southerner, a Jew or a black), but what if blacks decided to exact vigilante justice on Jewish slumlords? Would that be OK, or is there something fundamentally different where Christian whites are involved?

    Point is that Jews have at least as much to answer for on a man to man basis as white Christians when it comes to maltreatment of blacks in the United States. Probably more when you go back to the days of slavery. Abolitionism was a distinctly unpopular position among Jews prior to the Civil War, you know.

    So to bring up one’s Jewishness to justify black grievances strikes me as somewhat discordant with the facts on the ground, if we’re going to be honest here.

    • Replies: @Rich
  31. Hepp says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Why must Trivers moralize about it? I’m not moralizing either, but everyone ignores that the context suggests that Newton had no intention of robbing anyone (he wouldn’t even take the drink for free) and that the threat was made as part of a racial power struggle, conceived as nationalist.

    He had the intention of at the very least scaring them into serving him, and if that’s “part of a racial power struggle, conceived as nationalist” then I don’t know what isn’t. I don’t see why you would doubt that Newton would’ve been capable of robbing the place, considering he spent his life as a drug-addicted violent criminal.

    By the way, we’re told that “knocking the place up” meant robbing everyone in the bar, and there were at least some blacks there. If Newton just wanted to rob whites I guess that Trivers would justify it as fighting racism. But I guess part of the nationalist struggle means that blacks and whites must be threatened so that Huey Newton gets to drink when he wants.

  32. Art says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Out of respect, knowledgeable people, give those in his intellectual class great leeway.”

    Uh,….no. That’s not how life works.

    From lesser minds – yes. Not from equal minds.

    A Robert Ingersoll quote regarding an attacker of Thomas Paine “Once an ass kicked a lion – the lion was dead.”

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  33. @Colleen Pater

    Oh, I see, it’s a matter of what you’ve evolved into. Somehow, I have a hard time believing that evolving towards hatred is superior to, actually productive things like hunting and growing rice.

    Not that I actually believe any of the crap you’re spewing.

    Outlier Whiteboy

    • Replies: @Jay
  34. Robert,

    I like your hero worship story. You got to meet your hero, few of us are so lucky.

    Oh course, even Huey is just a human, like the rest of us, so he had his flaws too. Clearly he was hooked on coke, but whatever, I was hooked on speed back in the 80s so who am I to judge. It doesn’t mean his ideas are worth less.

    I hope you see that you were gullible. When a guy gets in your car and says “I’m dirty”, you have to make a choice: “get the fuck out of my car” or “oh, sure, I’ll aid and abet your crime.” If you were driving with Huey when he had a “quarter pound” of coke and got busted, you could have been doing 20 years with him. The good news is, the statute of limitations has expired. I truly hope you didn’t drive him to go commit a murder because, well, you could still get punished.

    Like you said, Huey understood the “misdemeanor” aspect of the law. I hope you can see now how that means he understood exactly how much he put you, the unwitting dupe, at risk as you drove him to commit felonies.

  35. Jay says:
    @Art

    Sociobiology was a step forward, but not a giant one. It seems important because it deals with phenomena that form our lives, but they are irrelevant or much less important in most species.

    Evolutionary biology still doesn’t have a theory of whole-organism adaptation. When that is created, then the step forward in level of understanding will be gigantic. Until then we are left with the fatuous formulation: “Evolution is the change of gene frequencies.”

    • Replies: @art
  36. Jay says:
    @Tattood White Trash

    Apparently you are unaware of the hugely greater per capita black-against-white violent crime in the U.S., and unaware of the black genocide against white farmers in South Africa. You are unaware also of the hbd theory that northern Europeans are especially cooperative, which is why they have been able to create civilization worthy of the name. This is the necessary knowledge to understand v’s comments. You don’t seem to have it.

  37. @Priss Factor

    My takeaway from that video — just say no!

  38. art says:
    @Jay

    Sociobiology was a step forward, but not a giant one.

    Not to be argumentative – but isn’t the idea that the personality of groups and cultures can evolve genetically, a very big deal for human kind?

    Isn’t the understanding that an intellectual culture can be selective of which genetic emotional traits that are passed on, of major importance? Isn’t that what Sociobiology is about? Isn’t Sociobiology about social group organization and genetic makeup?

    Is not the European mind and the Arab mind actually different? Does not the Euro and Arab mind have different sociobiological reactions to the same situations?

    In 1776 the Christian people of America were genetically capable of extending freedom to each other. They had the sociobiological intellectual and emotional tools to do so. They had the right genetic emotional makeup to organize themselves for freedom.

    It could be argued, that today the Arab peoples do not have the genetic emotional makeup to foster democracy or freedom. Their sociobiological culture does not foster the emotional makeup that is required for organized freedom.

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  39. Qasim says:

    I recently read Trivers’ previous book, “The Folly of Fools”. It was a surreal experience. The book is filled with incredible insights on human nature, his treatment on how self-deception is a central aspect of human life is really illuminating. Readers of this website would really love his treatment of the social sciences and how political and ideological considerations basically make most of academia’s conclusions suspect, if not worthless.

    But the book is also filled with his juvenile and laughably biased political views, his own self-delusion is stunning. This article is just further proof that genius in one domain and idiocy in another are often linked.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  40. JackOH says:
    @Qasim

    ” . . . [G]enius in one domain and idiocy in another are often linked.” I hadn’t considered that an astonishing abundance of one characteristic or ability may actually be connected, causally or strongly correlated, with an equally astonishing deficit in other characteristics. I’d always thought the deficits were accident, not, as you suggest, an essential counterpoise.

  41. @Art

    “Out of respect, knowledgeable people, give those in his intellectual class great leeway.”

    Uh,….no. That’s not how life works.

    “”From lesser minds – yes. Not from equal minds.””

    Now that’s a lie. That is a lie. Scientist James Watson is one of his generations, if not from the entire 20th century, premier elite scientists. Did he receive great leeway? Answer: No, he did not.

    What part of the phrase “It is best to observe life as it really is, not how one wishes or desires it to be”, isn’t comprehendible?

    In the second decade of the 21st century, political realities and the Narrative regarding Who/Whom trump getting leeway of any sort or kind.

    All one would have to do is ask this question: By objective standards, would not a Yale graduate/Paris U. Political Institute graduate; fluent in both French and Japanese; a pioneer in coverage of the tech/PC industry be given great leeway in his public opinions? If this were 1916, one might think that that would be the case indeed.

    But it is now 2016, and the person just mentioned is Jarred Taylor.

    One would not expect any, repeat ANY “equal minds” or those part of the intellectual/scientific class to publicly line up and support Mr. Taylor’s right to publicly express his opinions. In point of fact, the vast majority of scientists on the order of a James Watson or Robert Trivers would be wholeheartedly on the other side–publicly condemning Taylor and calling for him to receive some sort of punishment in the public realm of ideas a la SPLC. Very, very few intellectuals scientists etc would support Mr Taylors right to express his opinion and the younger generations wholeheartedly support his censure if not outright eventual imprisonment for expressing what they deem to be Hate Crimes.

  42. Jay says:
    @art

    I completely agree with what you are saying about gene-culture evolution in human beings. As human beings we find sociobiology extremely pertinent. My point in the earlier post was that there are harder problems in evolutionary biology, which when solved will elucidate evolution of all species, over all of evolutionary time. From the viewpoint of evolutionary biology, sociobiology is applicable only to a small subset of biodiversity. On the other hand, when cogitating as one attached to Western Civilization, a person will find sociobiology invaluable.

  43. Rich says:
    @Bill P

    I’m a White man who has absolutely nothing to answer for on any so-called “maltreatment of blacks.” I didn’t bring them here, I never owned any and I avoid them as much as possible, yet I have to pay for their welfare, their food stamps and their section 8 housing. When my great-great grandfather volunteered to fight for the Union Army back in 1863, he made a tragic mistake, no black man ever thanked him, or, as a matter of fact, thanked me for being his descendant.

    • Replies: @J1234
  44. J1234 says:
    @Rich

    I’ve said it before; when it comes to blacks, I believe in reparations for past debts. Every black family in America descended from slaves owes the descendants of Union soldiers $5000 each because their ancestors freed the slaves. $10,000 to every descendant of Union soldiers who died in the war. And $15,000 to every Southerner whose ancestors lived in South while it was being decimated by the North in an unnecessary war.

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