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Through the summer the world has watched as protests shook Hong Kong. As early as April they began as peaceful demonstrations which peaked in early June, with hundreds of thousands, in protest of an extradition bill. That bill would have allowed Hong Kong, a Special Administrative Region of China, to return criminals to Taiwan, mainland China or Macau for crimes committed there – after approval by multiple layers of the Hong Kong judiciary. In the wake of those enormous nonviolent demonstrations, Carrie Lam, CEO of Hong Kong, “suspended” consideration of the extradition bill, a face-saving ploy. To make sure she was understood, she declared it “dead.” The large rallies, an undeniable expression of the peaceful will of a large segment of the Hong Kong population had won an impressive victory. The unpopular extradition bill was slain.
But that was not the end of the story. A smaller segment continued the protests. (The Hong Kong police at one point estimated 4,000 hard core protesters.) pressed on with other demands, beginning with a demand that the bill be “withdrawn,” not simply “suspended.” To this writer death by “suspension” is every bit as terminal as death by “withdrawal.” As this piece is sent to press, news comes that Corrie Lam has now formally withdrawn the bill.
As the summer passed, two iconic photos presented us with two human faces that captured two crucial features of the ongoing protests; they were not shown widely in the West.
First, Fu Guohao, a reporter for the Chinese mainland newspaper, Global Times, was attacked, bound and beaten by protesters during their takeover of the Hong Kong International Airport. When police and rescuers tried to free him, the protesters blocked them and also attempted to block the ambulance that eventually bore him off to the hospital. The photos and videos of this ugly sequence were seen by netizens across the globe even though given scant attention in Western media. Where were the stalwart defenders of the press in the US as this happened? As one example, DemocracyNow! (DN!) was completely silent as was the rest of the U.S. mainstream media.
Fu’s beating came after many weeks when the protesters threw up barriers to stop traffic; blocked closure of subway doors, in defiance of commuters and police, to shut down mass transit; sacked and vandalized the HK legislature building; assaulted bystanders who disagreed with them; attacked the police with Molotov cocktails; and stormed and defaced police stations. Fu’s ordeal and all these actions shown in photos on Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, a paper leaning to the side of protesters, gave the lie to the image of these “democracy activists” as young Ghandis of East Asia. (The South China Morning Post is based in Hong Kong and its readership is concentrated there so it has to have some reasonable fidelity in reporting events; otherwise it loses credibility – and circulation. Similarly, much as the New York Times abhorred Occupy Wall Street, it could not fail to report on it.)
Which brings us to the second photo, much more important to U.S. citizens, that of a “Political Counselor” at the U.S. Consulate General in Hong Kong who in August was pictured meeting with, Joshua Long and Nathan Law, at a hotel there. The official was formerly a State Dept functionary in the Middle East – in Jerusalem, Riyadh, Beirut, Baghdad and Doha, certainly not an area lacking in imperial intrigues and regime change ops. That photo graphically contradicted the contention that there is no US “black hand,” as China calls it, in the Hong Kong riots. In fact, here the “black hand” was caught red-handed, leading Chen Weihua, a very perceptive China Daily columnist, to tweet the picture with the comment: “This is very very embarrassing. … a US diplomat in Hong Kong, was caught meeting HK protest leaders. It would be hard to imagine the US reaction if a Chinese diplomat were meeting leaders of Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter or Never Trump protesters.”
And that photo with the protest leaders is just a snap shot of the ample evidence of the hand of the U.S. government and its subsidiaries in the Hong Kong events. Perhaps the best documentation of the U.S. “black hand” is to be found in Dan Cohen’s superb article of August 17 in The Greyzone entitled, “Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence.” The article by Cohen deserves careful reading; it leaves little doubt that there is a very deep involvement of the US in the Hong Kong riots. Of special interest is the detailed role and funding, amounting to over $1.3 million, in Hong Kong alone in recent years, of the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy (NED), ever on the prowl for new regime change opportunities. Perhaps most important, the leaders of the “leaderless” protests have met with major US political figures such as John Bolton, Vice President Pence, Secretary Pompeo, Senator Marco Rubio, Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel, Nancy Pelosi and others, all of whom have heartily endorsed their efforts. This is not to deny that the protests were home grown at the outset in response to what was widely perceived as a legitimate grievance. But it would be equally absurd to deny that the U.S. is fishing in troubled Hong Kong waters to advance its anti-China crusade and regime change ambitions.
That said, where is the U.S. peace movement on the question of Hong Kong?
Let us be clear. One can sympathize with the demand of many citizens of Hong Kong to end the extradition bill or even the other four demands: an inquiry into police handling of their protests; the retraction of a government characterization of the demonstrations as riots; an amnesty for arrested protesters; and universal suffrage. (The first three all grow out of violence of the protests, be it noted.) But that is the business of the citizens of Hong Kong and all the rest of China. It is not the business of the U.S. government. Peace activists in the US should be hard at work documenting and denouncing the US government’s meddling in Hong Kong, which could set us on the road to war with China, potentially a nuclear war. And that is a mission for which we in the U.S. are uniquely suited since, at least in theory, we have some control over our government.
So, we should expect to hear the cry, “US Government, Hands Off Hong Kong”? Sadly, with a few principled exceptions it is nowhere to be heard on either the left or right.
Let’s take DemocracyNow! (DN!) as one example, a prominent one on the “progressive” end of the spectrum. From April through August 28, there have been 25 brief accounts (“headlines” as DN! calls them, each amounting to a few paragraphs) of the events in Hong Kong and 4 features, longer supposedly analytic pieces, on the same topic. Transcripts of the four features are here, here, here and here. There is not a single mention of possible US involvement or the meetings of the various leaders of the protest movement with Pompeo, Bolton, Pence, or the “Political Counselor” of the US Hong Kong consulate.
And this silence on US meddling is true not only of most progressive commentators but also most conservatives.
On the Left when someone cries “Democracy,” many forget all their pro-peace sentiment. And similarly on the Right when someone cries “Communism,” anti-interventionism too often goes down the tubes. Forgotten is John Quincy Adams’s 1823 dictum, endlessly quoted but little honored, “We do not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.” Where does this lapse on the part of activists come from? Is it a deep-seated loyalty to Empire, the result of endless indoctrination? Is it U.S. Exceptionalism, ingrained to the point of unconsciousness? Or is it at bottom a question of who the paymasters are?
On both sides anti-interventionism takes an especially hard hit when it comes to major competitors of the US, powers that could actually stand in the way of US global hegemony, like Russia or China. In fact on its August 12 program, DN! managed a story taking a swipe at Russia right next to the one on Hong Kong – and DN! was in the forefront of advancing the now debunked and disgraced Russiagate Conspiracy Theory. In contrast, the anti-interventionist movement is front and center when it comes to weaker nations, for example Venezuela – and quite properly so. But when one puts this advocacy for weaker nations together with the New Cold War stance on China and Russia, one must ask what is going on here. Does it betoken a sort of imperial paternalism on the part of DN and like-minded outlets? It certainly gains DN!, and others like it, considerable credibility among anti-interventionists which can help win them to a position in favor of DN!’s New Cold War stance. And the masters of Empire certainly understand how valuable such credibility can be at crucial moments when support for their adventures is needed from every quarter.
Fortunately, there are a handful of exceptions to this New Cold War attitude. For example, on the left Popular Resistance has provided a view of the events in Hong Kong and a superb interview with K.J. Noh that go beyond the line of the State Department, the mainstream media and DN! And on the libertarian Right there is the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and the work of its Executive Director Dan McAdams.
We would all do well to follow the example of these organizations in rejecting a New Cold War mentality which is extremely dangerous, perhaps fatally so. A good beginning for us in the U.S. is to demand of our government, “Hands Off Hong Kong.”
John V. Walsh can be reached at [email protected]
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Yawn. Other than the meeting what evidence is there of US involvement?
Thank you, especially for calling out DemocracyNow!
With few exceptions, America’s “Progressives,” especially since 2009, have been no threat to Uncle Sam’s Empire. That purring of Amy Goodman and her clones on NPR is just Team Blue’s answer to the barking of Rush Limbaugh.
All part of the show needed to keep enough Americans herded into the next Most Important Election Ever.
I agree the US needs to butt out of HK and everyone else’s business. Mike Pence, Pompeo and Bolton are the axis of evil that are puppets to the Zionist global banking cabal. The cabal knows China is the gold mine and wants to install a friendly regime that will protect their “investments” in China, i.e. allow them unfettered access to their central bank and control their money supply. The protesters in HK are just another group of useful idiots.
Moreover, anyone who’s ever visited HK knows how nasty and rude those people are. I have zero sympathy for those people, nor their mainland kin, just want all of these people to stay the hell out of the US. So yes, let’s start by the US staying the hell out of HK/China/Taiwan.
Deport anyone who supports those nasty protestors to HK, start with the axis of evil and their chihuahua, Marco Rubio.
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Yup, I’m sure two parties who have nothing to gain from each other’s involvement just decided to one day meet up and discuss their favorite cupcake recipes.
Troll.
Death to the Communist insect that preys upon the lives of the people!
The social networks and free media deleted thousands of accounts in preparation for this media blitz push on HK.
What is fascinating is do the us govt think this retarded riot can change China?
Just doing it to annoy them?
Part of the full spectrum pressure to see if the Chinese elite will cave like the USSR leaders did?
Or just another facet of the trade war like the arrest of the huawei CFO?
On a related note, if the Chinese govt know who the ring leaders are, why not straight up deep sixed them all? Why let them live?
We did not see democracy now activists in the Yellow Vest protests either.
Or when Andy Ngo was beaten by antifa.
Any time we want to bring China to heel, all we have to do is forbid Chinese goods access to our markets. Without their Wirtschaftwunder, the Chinese government will start feeling real discontent from below, and the Mandate of Heaven may well pass hands.
> Brexit bad, Chinxit good.
> coz democracy
Vely good! Rubbery descliption of leality.
Obviously if the protesters of the declining Hong Kong are carrying USA & UK flags , they are working for USA & UK . They are giving a hand to the USA in the frame of the very nasty commercial war USA-China going on . So the demostrators are traitors to China and to Hong Kong , they are contributing to the decline of Hong Kong .
‘bring China to heel’
Your metaphor is that of the dog-owner, who is of course assumed to own and control the dog. Sadly for ‘murca, the tables have turned and the dog has metamorphosed into the master. Anyone who supposes that the USA is still in a position to ‘bring China to heel’ is either daft, deluded or merely behind the game. That ship sailed long ago, and it is the USA (and no less the EU) that needs cheap Chinese goods in order to maintain the shallow and ultimately pointless Modernist culture of panem et circenses, without which the otherwise supine American populace might actually rise up and protest. There would, in short, be riots – and especially so among that class of American person mostly dependent upon benefits.
American manufacturing, to put it plainly, is so lamentably fallen away that the USA is no longer in any position to adopt an isolationist economic policy, least of all by an attempt to ‘forbid Chinese goods access to our markets’. This is the deliberate result of allowing laissez-faire economics to run amok, in furtherance of featherbedding the capitalist, at the expense of maintaining security and harmony among ordinary people. Or to put it another way, a failure to learn from the Chinese approach to social and economic strategy.
If one might paraphrase the words of Harold Macmillan in Capetown in 1960: “The wind of change is blowing through the continents. Whether we like it or not, the BRI and the SCO is a political fact.”
“What is fascinating is do the us govt think this retarded riot can change China?”
What does the US want ? Well, all the rioting etc etc is OK — embarrassing for Beijing.
But, better would be a repeat of Tiananmen Squ. Oh, how good would that be ! UN sanctions, never ending hand ringing & vitriol in the msm.
Best of all, maybe complete civil break down — & all for a few million $$. Bargain !
China should close the US,UK and Israeli missions and consulates in Hong Kong and tell them that all business with Hong Kong is to be done through the Beijing embassy.
If you see one cockroach in your kitchen, you can be sure there are plenty more.
Hey, there are limits to what Amy can do in a 24 hour 7 day week.
No problem , just do what the Mossad do. Send in some hit teams and kill the perpetrators that escape to HK . The message will get across – just – like the rest of the world has been targeted. Withdraw the extradition bill and watch those crowds – look for other plans. Thanks Unz Rew.
And all China has to do is put some of their US Treasury bonds on the market. Their stake in Dollar-based financial systems is not what it was even 10 years ago.
Amy Goodman has been all about selling neoliberal globalist projects to left-liberals for years. If her co-optation wasn’t obvious from her support of the “Arab Spring” regime change projects it should be now. The fate of Democracy Now! is a good lesson about putting so much narrative power in the hands of one colossal ego.
This Hong Kong CIA color revolution has really been useful in separating the wheat from the chaff.
Bit strange how Democracy Now, New York Times, CNN, BBC, Breitbart, Fox News, Huffington Post, ZeroHedge, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Mike Pompeo, Ilhan Omar, and Alex Jones can all come together to agree on this one matter, isn’t it? Hmm….
Indeed, that should have been done long ago, considering the US reputation for interference in other countries affairs.
The external affairs power of the Basic Law grants the PRC competence to deal with all matters relating to foreign matters. The restraint and goodwill of the Chinese government borders on naivety, unless there are some peculiar (?) reasons for so much tolerance.
The Chinese govt should ask advice from Bibi – he would know what to do.
But obviously nobody would demand justice in the recent case of the guy murdering his girlfriend in Taiwan and subsequently serving 18 months for mail fraud in HK.
CIA station chiefs must be getting careless on the photo-op front. Let us hope nobody can follow the money to NED.
There also very anti white there I’ve heard this from dozens of ex Pat’s they thought we were stupid
John V.Walsh says:“To this writer death by “suspension” is every bit as terminal as death by “withdrawal.” As this piece is sent to press, news comes that Corrie Lam has now formally withdrawn the bill.”
Which only illustrates exactly how naive you are. You really think that the bills withdrawal will be adhered to in any meaningful way?
Next you’ll be claiming that in the US we have a right to free speech, or to own and bear armaments for protection against the government, or that those accused of crimes have a right to due process!
Your naivete is further illustrated by a complete lack of consideration of the idea that most likely, there were/are probably many Chi-com agent provocateurs involved in the riots and anti-police attacks.
Also entirely ignored is the [supposedly] officially agreed on China takeover date of 2047.
But somehow, its all “just” about US interference. Yeah,right :-).
Yet another idiotic Chi-com sympathizer. It never ends.
No regards, onebornfree
A madam finds a waif in the streets and brings her back to the bordello to nurse her back to health and vigour. In time, the little slut grows up into a well developed whore, largely due to the generous care provided by the “house” and its devoted staff. Then one day, out of the clear blue sky, in ordet to test her own power, though once nearly on the brink of death due to forced starvation, the yellow jade challenges the strong but genteel “mamma” and gets done in by her own folly. Let that be the edification of all the strumpets out there who dare question the Empire!
CIA paw prints are all over the “protest” in Hong Kong.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protests/259202/
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/hong-kong-rioters-wage-sabotage-campaign-to-press-congress-into-punishing-china.html
Americans have this weird need to “trust” their preferred news source or their favorite talking head as if they are close friends of the family who they can safely leave the kids with for a weekend. When it is inevitably revealed that these people lie, serve masters/donors with an ideological agenda or are otherwise untrustworthy there are gasps of shock and disappointment all around as yet another “trusted” star falls from grace.
The moral of the story is don’t expect any news outfit or celebrity “journalist” to be completely honest and dedicated to truth telling. Learn to read between the lines and peruse a variety of sources, including ones that challenge your world view. Read books and in-depth articles from different perspectives and reflect on it all once in a while. That’s the only way to get a reasonably accurate idea of what is going on in the world.
I firmly don’t care about the people in HK.
Here in Germany you hardly read,heard or saw any of rioters violence against ordinary people ,police or public property either.Only recently a few news outlets reported about the violence perpetrated by the protesters.But the narrative still is”the protesters fight for democracy”.But the people isn’t that stupid anymore as to believe everything the MSM tells us.I stopped watching news or talk shows on public TV.
The CIA is behind the protests in Hong-kong and the zionist controlled US government also, as per usual , the zio/US is interfering in other countries to destabilize and subvert other governments for the zionist NWO!
I want to thank you on behalf of majority of HKer. I honestly hope all your compatriots are as insouciant and indifferent as you and can leave us the fuck alone.
You understand that there are bigger problems like mass shootings and Jewish dominations to deal with and HK is just a ruse used by the politicians to divert attention from the problems away from home.
HKer never questioned how Americans treat slaves and immigrants, let you guys bomb an kill whatever you want in the middle east with impunity.
Cut us some slack and let us handle this shit ourselves.
Sep 4, 2019 Hong Kong Withdraws Extradition Bill After Leaked Audio
But according to protesters, that’s not enough. The announcement comes just days after a secret recording of Hong Kong’s Chief Executive saying she would have resigned, if she had been allowed to—implying Beijing’s rule is.
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I agree.
ZUS has been busy destroying Seven Nations for a false flag it created with Israel in 2001.
This Seven Nations to Destroy theme comes from Deut. 7:1-2 written in 500 BC.
ZUS has its head in 500 BC.
At least China lives in the present.
“Hands Off Hong Kong” – the Cry That Seldom Is Heard
Where are the self-styled anti-war activists – like DemocracyNow?
I did not know that the United States had its hands on Hong Kong. If so, perhaps that explains Donald Trump’s quiescence on the matter.
As a Chinaman who have observed and interacted with white people for a life time , may I propose an explanation?
It is the messianic complex and the desire to feel sanctimonious.
The narcissistic need to feel not only physically or mentally superior but also morally superior.
It is the pinnacle of civilization to proselytize and inculcate noble ideals such as freedom and democracy to the lower races and to save them with it.
If they don’t get the message and submit to a higher power, then you save them by bombing them to the stone age.
The news program Democracy Now has covered the Hong Kong story. John V. Walsh needs to pay attention.
“Yawn. Other than the meeting what evidence is there of US involvement?”
There is meeting of VP Pence with Jimmy Lai, there is Congressional hawks making public statements of supports to the riots, there is evidence of funding of NED, there is waving of US flags, there are plenty of travelling of HK opposition party members to US before each major protests since 2012, there is alleged recording of conversation between opposition party members with NED, there is clear motive of CIA not wanting the Bill to pass, there are similarities with other CIA-sponsored color revolutions, … (and I am sure the true insiders can make a long list)
Yes, you guys are clumsy. You and your boss should be fired for wasting US taxpayers’ money.
Me honkie, me from Hongkong, but me like United Snake and Pissident Dumb vely munch.
Honest,
Me just want no condom, not freedom.
Me want porno, not demo crazy;
china no porno.
Pee kill commie so I can see slay neega do anoo to big boobie white .
Sorry, my english no good, u understand?
“… all we have to do is forbid Chinese goods access to our markets. ”
Why wait for the government to forbid Chinese goods? Why don’t you start doing it yourself FIRST, e.g. stop posting in Internet by unplugging your made-in-China laptop and iphone? No?
CIA/MI6 destabilisations since 1949…
1959
Tibet
1962
Indo/sino war,
1989
TAM,
2008
Tibet,
2009
Xinjiang
2014
HK
2019
HK
70 years after Tibet, 30 years after TAM,
[[[THEY]]] are still trying to destabilise and demonise China.
The barbarians have never really left the gate ever since the Opium war/.
well, tell that to the world’s no 1 shit stirrer, unitedsnake then., assholes
May be [[[they]]] wanna send another eight nations alliance into Beijing to enforce democracy eh
like the good ole days ?
hehehhe
One thing about these hyenas, they might frequently squabble and even fight over the booty, but they always hunt together.
P.S.
Dont get mixed up..
[[[ five liars]]] as deffer from (((_)))
Only thing I have seen is signs that China is taking steps to prevent this from going to the mainland by placing their army just across the bridges.
Outside of that, I will be laughing my ass off if China announces in one to two months that due to unstable conditions in HK, all trade and exports from mainland China will be rerouted to different China based coastal cities. It would be a move that makes HK complete invalid and useless to anyone as its main source of income is yanked away and reduced the deep state puppet to the ultimate fall guys.
Pelosi the bitch,
What’s Xi waiting for ?
Support Texas, California, Alakska etc independence !
Two can play at this game.
I had an argument on twitter about this, in this argument, I pointed out that all the news about Hong Kong he quotes and praises is coming from sources that he has been decrying as fake news for years on end.
I will admit, that I strongly accused him of cherry picking what he believes in based solely on his political viewpoints doing the argument.
His response to me was a tragicomical cry that the media only lies 90 percent of the time, that is nine out of ten times, and when it came to Hong Kong, they were telling the truth because muh socialism bad and capitalism good.
Now, I don’t know about the rest of you, but if someone is a proven liar nine out ten times I won’t trust anything they say.
You simply can’t trust anything a liar says.
kiddo
If a Chinese diplomat is caught meeting with murikkano separtists movement, he’d be given a booting order .
sobs in CONgress , state dept would go berserk and prolly demand sanction, may be even a missile down the chute., no less.
“Democracy”? No better in HK than the US.
The Myth of Democracy and the Downfall of America
By Gary D. Barnett
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/09/gary-d-barnett/the-myth-of-democracy-and-the-downfall-of-america/
excerpt:
A fact which often seems lost in the Western media is that it’s ‘their damned country’.
The Chinese State has every right to administer Hong Kong however it wishes – and that includes a very mild equalisation of laws for a city that seems to have grown arrogant in its special privileges.
Any agreement supposedly had with the British is irrelevant since the handover was never predicated on such agreements, nor would any current reality be subject to it now.
In fact the real law of nations (the real one governing statesmen, not the pretty words written down) suggests supporting a rebellion in another Great Power is an extremely hostile act, demanding an at least symmetric response – it would not be unreasonably be considered an act of war in certain circumstances.
What an lurid and apt description…
Genetic disposition, perhaps?
Pelosi, the Israel firster who loves Israel more than anything on this planet.
In her own words:
Video Link
Pelosi would not care about those states. It is only fundamental to her that Israel rules the US. The USA is Israel’s Golem. Everything can crumble to the ground in the world for Pelosi without a care except for that tiny speck of land called Israel.
Go China, be free of the ZUS for the sake of humanity.
A good beginning for us in the U.S. is to demand of our government
Hell no! We want to go!
Let’s do it now while we still have a chance to “win.”
I’m no expert on Chinese law, but isn’t it kind of weird that you would to have a special law to extradite someone from Hong Kong to the mainland for a crime committed there, when Hong Kong is already part of China? (Extraditions between US states, for example, are pretty much pro-forma.)
What’s going on here? Well, how about warmed-over Trotskyism?
I think They call it the whiteman’s burden
hehehe
Hong Kong is not Tiananmen Square — many more people to try to get under control in Hong Kong. And people there who are used to living under the Western rule of law (British in Hong Kong’s case), not Oriental despotism.
https://www.democracynow.org/topics/hong_kong
Their narrative is indistinguishable from that of pro-interventionist corporate media. It’s of a piece with their support for the “Arab Spring” regime change projects.
Why are foreign NGOs like Democracy Now allowed in any countries? They work with the CIA to destabilize governments as part of the American imperial project. And why is the US consulate official, who was photographed meeting with leaders of the demonstrations, still in China? She, and the rest of the US consular staff (read CIA) should have been on a plane home last week when she was photographed conspiring with the ringleaders. At what point do you kick them out of the country?
This is at least the second time that the US has tried to foment a color revolution in HK.
What would the US do if China began financing the neo-Bolshevik Antifa mobs in the US?
In response,
China;s spokewoman, Hua Chunyin
Viva Texas independence !
these guys are disgusting
said: “A fact which often seems lost in the Western media is that it’s ‘their damned country’.”
I agree.
China should just ignore the hooligans. Let the ‘rebels without a clue’ trash their own backyards and then see how those troublemakers like it when everything they need is unavailable and not working.
Reminds me of how blacks trash the stores in their neighborhoods and then blame others for the lack of stores in their neighborhoods.
The old ‘no fresh vegetables’ canard is a great example.
Democracy Now has not called for intervention in the struggle of the people of Hong Kong against the leeches of the Communist ruling class in Beijing.
As much as I dislike the regime in Beijing, this probably is the wisest course.
U.S. corporations see China as a source of cheap labor. They are in bed with the Communist Chinese ruling class.
You are absolutely correct. The only way to be well informed is read things from all perspectives. Then you can learn to pick out the real from the fake. Every soirce has some bias. The truth is usually somewhere in between. Some outright lie! Regardless of where one stands politiciallly one cam see the HK situation is vastly skewed in western reporting clearly is biased in favor of the protesters. Same with what went on in the Arab Spring and Ukraine.
Hitler on democracy ….
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The whip needs to be applied willy nilly.
In any event a bit of rock is going to bounce off the earth and leave a smear.Soon.I will confirm this event in 48 hours.
For the uniformed people:
Hong Kong is an autonomous region under the One country, Two systems. There is currently NO extradition treaty between mainland China and Hong Kong.
There was a recent murder case that was committed in Taiwan by a Hong Konger who has fled back to Hong Kong, this means that this alleged murderer could not go trial or face jail time for his crime. This is where the new Extradition bill comes in, and also the suspicions:
1. The Bill is written that extradition to be China is SPECIAL SURRENDER, and the document FOR extradition can be submitted WITHOUT FURTHER PROOF. The bill’s shortcomings are explained cleanly here: http://www.hklawsoc.org.hk/pub_e/news/submissions/20190605.pdf
2. Reaction from Taiwan: Taiwan police has contacted HK govt multiple times to resolve the murder case because Taiwan itself doesn’t want to recognize Beijing rule, but HK govt has ignored this, and only wants to push up the Bill. Taiwan has announced that they will not accept the extradition of said murderer EVEN if the bill is passed because it doesn’t want to risk extradition to China:
https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-wont-ask-murder-suspect-hk-passes-extradition-050405150.html
Now that the bill is formally withdrawn, the protest has achieved its victory. But now many parties and even China want to keep the protest going in in hope to smear the protesters as “entitled” and win back legitimacy, which is why I oppose continuing the protest.
There is many fake news inside this site, because it’s populated by pro-Beijing shills who are roused by their anti-western/US hatred when their favorite country got into a unpopular protest, but people should be well-informed of what’s going on, and that the protest IS about a legit issue.
Unlike the (((Anglo-American))) capitalist model, the Chinese, and to a lesser extent Indian, government is in this for the long run. The Chinese didn’t get a recorded history of over 5,000 years by only thinking about the year end bottom line. Closing the missions and consulates in Hong Kong at this point would be seen as a breach of the “2 systems” for 50 years agreement. They are prepared to let Hong Kong become irrelevant in the big scheme of things, which it will be by 2046, then close the missions and consulates that haven’t already been abandoned.
Well, no one is stopping Xi for that. Particularly, California independence and Texas independence. The wall needs to build around California to stop it leaking into other states.
@ d dan
Not all components inside laptop is made in China. And not everybody use iphone.
What does an extradition bill have to do with the takeover date? Hong Kong has extradition treaties with the US, UK, and other countries. Some are with the same countries as the mainland. The comparison is whether California has an extradition treaty with other US states and the federal government.
In case you forgot, the push for the treaty was due to a Hong Kong man murdering his girlfriend while visiting the mainland. Where are all the feminists and SJW soyboys complaining about Hong Kong males being misogynists for failing to send a murderer to trial?
The real opposition was from the Hong Kong business community. While people are quick to point out that Chinese products, such as the melamine tainted milk, are dangerous, few, if any will point out that the businessmen involved were tried and executed. The Marx lead paint scandal had no one in the corporation taking responsibility, meanwhile in China the owners and managers were committing suicide to avoid trial. Hong Kong has been a drug smuggling center for over 150 years. The Chinese execute drug smugglers.
Not quite. The CIA farmed out that part of its work to the National Endowment for Democracy. Any group or organization with democracy in its name is, most assuredly, working for dollar democracy – my dollar buys the same as your dollar. The fact that I may have 100 times the dollars that you do doesn’t enter into the equation.
NGOs like the NED are the biggest scam on the planet. As if any government or corporation would give an organization tens of millions of dollars and let them do whatever they want, if beyond belief. There is a reason for old maxims like ‘he who pays the piper, calls the tune’.
Indeed.
recommended:
Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe
https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
Funny, he doesn’t sound very “right wing” when he’s talking about how the elite f@ck over the working people.
“The CIA farmed out that part of its work to the National Endowment for Democracy. ”
May or may not be true. But CIA definitely have DIRECT interest and motive to kill the extradition bill – because if the bill is passed, many CIA staff stationed in Hong Kong would lost their jobs, or at least have to move away from Hong Kong, lest them be caught and extradited to China.
That is just prudence and common sense thinking from CIA point of views.
Fake news, fake news and fake news.
1. The proposition for extradition bill allows special extradition without further proof, which is different than what’s than the current US/UK extradition treaty with HK. And no, California is not an autonomous state like Hong Kong.
2. The murder case happens in Taiwan, NOT in the mainland. And Taiwan already backs off this because Taiwan doesn’t want to risk an extradition treaty with China, in fact, the SJWs and soyboys in Beijing want to howling at this case in order to DEMAND Hong Kong and Taiwan to accept the extradition bill.
3. The business community in HK has been convinced to favor the Bill, Beijing has more money and power. The only opposition comes from legal sector and people. Meanwhile, about the drug comment, China has more drug dealers than Hong Kong, in fact illegal Chinese drugs is flooding the world:
https://www.naturalnews.com/043566_China_methamphetamine_illegal_drugs.html
Mexico just caught a multi-ton shipment of it:
https://truepundit.com/major-fentanyl-shipment-from-china-seized-in-mexico/
When will China actually execute their own drug dealers?
Well I stand by what I said and would add that MI6 is also involved and the CIA has more fronts than you can shake a stick at, see the book The Secret Team by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, the late Col. Prouty was the pentagons man that the CIA had to go to when they needed the help of the military during the Eisenhower administration, this book can be had on amazon.
So where is the actual proof of CIA behind this, can the insiders share?
All of the above sound like politicians meeting other people, which is NOT enough to form a CIA connection. And no, the Yellow Vests are definitely similar to this protest, but the people here do not make the connection.
United Snakes, LOL. Good one.
Sadly you are not too far off. The Nose can smell the money from 10,000 miles away. Where there’s money to be made, The Nose will be there. The Nose smells a gold mountain in China, and The Nose needs to install a puppet regime in China to get at its gold.
There’s a reason why the bald eagle is the national bird of United Snakes. It has the same nose.
What was the meeting for?
This entire episode shows that liberal democracy will always interfere with other systems, meaning that nationalists should never rest until liberal democracy is wiped out in every corner of the world.
The “protests” in Hong Kong are primarily a response to an invasion of migrants from mainland China and the resulting pressure on jobs and housing. It’s the bloodless version of what will happen in the US within the next 15 years.
Nice allegory, you should regale us more with your talent in that genre. Cheerio!
People from mainland migrating to Hong Kong is not the problem. Hong Kong has a very low birthrate and replenishing the diminishing population from mainland actually is a good thing for Hong Kong. The problem for Hong Kong is there are more and more Indians. These low IQ rapists living off the welfare of Hong Kong will be a long term problem for Hong Kong for years to come. What Hong Kong needs to do is to send these people back to their shithole country.
Are you a Hong Kong nationalist or a chinese nationalist?
The difference is crucial.
I like that nickname for the clown. With your permission, I shall use it henceforth.
Even I, or Lenin, or anyone with a functioning brain, would agree with that. Hitler had his moments of sanity too!
South East Asians…I live next to a local school called rosaryhill that caters to them. They are descendants of brown people of every stripe who worked in HK. as most immigrants eveeywheee, they don’t assimilate and crime is an issue. But they do know who is in charge and speak Cantonese so I consider them much more desirable than the white “expats” In HK.
I rather have Indians and SE asian rather than white parasites anyday…
That’s only partially true.
People from everywhere around the world have swarmed HK.
200,000 Filipinos and SE Asians . HK will collapse tomorrow without them. We need more. I have 3 of them. Best people in the world.
Way too many white parasite in HK who think they are still in pattaya. Need to kick these fuckers out.
There are also too Tax refugees who rents a place, maintain residency here but don’t stay here. Raise property prices.
I try not to make any distinction between Chinese. Mainlanders are the main engine of the economy which is probably why they get so much hate. That’s the problem when you do good.
Hitler and the nationalists were the sane side of the war.
Not really. The PRC government has unfettered foreign affairs power in Hong Kong. There are some residual competences for the HK government in trade matters but only subject to the PRC government approval.
As I mentioned previously, it boggs the mind why Beijing allowed this to get out of hand so far so long. Smaks of Maidan – not wanting to offend the Western capitalist media and “partners”, always on the lookout for “trouble”and add fuel to the fire.
Hasn’t HK been part of China
for most of last 2000 years?
Does “Hong Kong nationalist” make any sense?
If it does get rid of the traitors.
Why would they do anything at all. They aren’t taking on antifa now, in any meaningful way, as far as I can tell.
Indians are the epitome of parasites. Just look at them in the West. Also read what the commentator TT says about them in Singapore. Plus Indians are the most anti Chinese people because their shithole government has been brainwashing them that China invaded India when the reverse is true. To this day India is still occupying a piece of China, South Tibet since 1951. South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. South Tibet is what the slum dog rapists refer to as Arunachal Pradesh since 1987. India is a bully and is hated by all its neighbors.
HK is not even a part of China 2000 years before.
I’m not sure if there is even a HK 2000 years before.
Hong Kong nationalist implies one who cares about the culture and people of HK above foreign interests.
Any kind of nationalist will eventually realize liberal democracy contradicts nationalism. Even if HK was its own country, liberal democracy would destroy its culture with diversity and turn it into an egalitarian shithole.
The dumb kids protesting don’t realize that Beijing’s autocracy is what protects them from degeneracy, or they’re degenerate liberals themselves. Probably the latter.
The dumb kids will grow up to be nationalists when they realize that it’s China’s democracy that stomps boot into their face.
And Beijing doesn’t protect them from “degeneracy”, Beijing straight out funds Hollywood movies and sells that crap to chinese and the rest of the world. As always, stay out of the big empires, both China and US want to genocide cantonese.
1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 徹底撤回送中修例
2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 成立獨立調查委員會 追究警隊濫暴
3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 取消暴動定性
4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 撤銷對今為所有反送中抗爭者控罪
5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive 以行政命令解散立法會 立即實行雙真普選
NOT ONE LESS.
These are the five current demands of the protesters, the 1st one is achieved (or at least said to be), the 5th is interesting but it should be that ONLY a native Hong Konger could take those positions. The others are born out of the protest.
There’s no point to this if somehow a Beijinger or Chicom plants their way into those positions.
Communist sympathizing louse
Chinaman,
Filipinos are mostly guest workers. I don’t see many other Southeast Asian residents in Hong Kong. Malays and Thais generally don’t like going and settling down in other people’s countries. The only other Southeast Asians you have there in substantial numbers are remnants of the Vietnamese boat people who are hard to distinguish by appearance from the Chinese, at least for a European. Most of those browns there are subcontinentals.
South Tibet? It doesn’t sound Chinese-y, now does it? You better stick to Hong Kong and Taiwan before you lose it to the yellow-cum-white man… I hope you know that the most hated people on the God ‘s green earth are the me-eat-anything-walking-crawling-flying-swimming-till-the-planet-finished-good Chinese!
It is not fair to the Eagle.
This is more like it !
What about TAM, kiddo ?
How old are you ?
YOu mean the same Brit that orchestrated the 1965 genocide on Chinese Indonesians and the 1998 mass rapes ?
Yeah sure,
After murikkano consulate official was caught ‘liaising’ with J Wong and Co…
State dept bitch…
Repost….
Couldnt help it, every time there’s a fukus color rev,
I just gotta post this…
———————————–
‘It is OUR money. Did anyone ask us, the taxpayers, if we cared to fork over a ton of money to the Democrat and Republican parties so a pack of hacks could spend it to overthrow an elected president? Of course not.
That’s because this government assumes we work for it, and not the other way around.
………….
Once again, we have a congress and a federal bureaucracy tossing around our money so some jerks can play at being power brokers around the world. The National Endowment for Democracy is a hoax. Now everyone in Latin America knows we were up to our ears n trying to get rid of Chavez. The whole thing backfired. The politicians walk away and we pick up the bill. Some democracy. But what I really want to know is, is there a Ritz in Caracas, so the hacks on the gravy train can meet to overturn a democratically elected government at our expense? And this stuff happens because we let it happen. If we choose to be a nation of sheep, we have only ourselves to blame. ‘
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2002/04/richard-cummings/i-met-her-in-venezuela/
Well Im trolling.
The Chinese dont stir shit for a living.
P.S.
why you’ve this knack of replying to the wrong poster. ?
Yeah, just ask Vietnam vs China’s history for 1000 years, not stirring shit for a living my ass.
Also, so you yourself admit you have no proof of any CIA connection, keep pop up that fake news.
Oh South Tibet is part of China for sure. Look at this map published by the National Geographic in 1912. You can see that South Tibet (including historic Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery) is clearly within China.
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:x633f939c
AP (Arunachal Pradesh) has been recognized by the United Nation as a disputed territory since 2009. No Chinese government has ever recognized the so called AP. In fact when India make South Tibet a state and renamed it to the so called AP, the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) issues a statement vehemently denouncing India’s travesty and vowing never to recognize AP. The People’s Republic of China similarly has repeatedly state that it has never recognize the so called AP part of India.
https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/chinese-news-40862957
Free South Tibet from the filthy smelly slimy rapey ugly cow piss drinking open defecating low IQ (average Indian IQ is 76) eat with bare right hand wipe ass with bare left hand disgusting India.
In case you forget….
IM saying Xi wont stoop to stirring shit in Texas the way uncle scam did in Tibet, Xinjiang
HK.
YOu wanna talk ancient history warfare ?
Typical ‘smith’ [sic] tactics,
when in trouble, change subject.
Well still no contest….
murikka has been at war 100% of time since birth., wins hand down !
hehehhe
Talk about fake news eh ?
When it comes to FF, everybody thought about UKUS, these are the default, ususal suspects.
If you wanna suggest China is suddenly adopting the fukus M.O., better have some gawd damned solid evidence, or else take it back and stuff it up yours….
Exactly. People like Smith (and those in CIA/NED…) thinks that:
1. They are doing US a favor – which isn’t because they are wasting US taxpayers money (not to mention reputation cost) for a non-strategic mission with no clear end-game in mind, and without any possible benefits to ordinary Americans.
2. They are causing Chinese government trouble – which isn’t because they are rallying Chinese support behind the Chinese government.
3. They even want you believe that they are doing Hong Kongers a favor – because Hong Kongers now have the rights to commit murder in mainland without fear of being extradited. Can’t get more idiotic than that.
Yes, they are the swamp that needed to be drained.
“If you wanna suggest China is suddenly adopting the fukus M.O., better have some gawd damned solid evidence, or else take it back and stuff it up yours….”
One of the strategy to distract people of your wrong doing is to accuse others for the wrong doing.
It is an obvious stunt.
‘smith’ is our resident chameleon,
some time he’s ‘Indian’, some time he’s
Viet, but he’s neither . 😉
I can almost guarantee that if the government cave in and appease the protestor by granting all the demands.
There will be the 6th-, HK independence.
Everyone knows that. The government or Beijing won’t move anymore, of course.
I don’t see any of the protest subsiding until the police escalating their action and impose strict curfews.
Lots from Myanmar, Indonesian and India, guest workers too.
They are there but may be not places you would hang out. It is funny but if you go to a bar or Resturant run by white people, they will ONLY hire Filipinos and other browns, no local Chinese. I generally don’t have a problem with that since they are better waiters.
I honestly do not know any scion of the boat people. As you said, indistinguishable.
Man, yeah, Xi can stir his shit is my point. I think he already does it with all the chinese abroad already so it’s nothing new.
We vietnamese just have experiences with this kind of thing, for more than 1000 years.
Yeah, nice strawman man.
1. Does anything anti-China mean doing US a favor now? Really? Even when US helps China cover up the violence by cops?
2. Again, there would be no trouble if the Chinese government doesn’t cause trouble in the first place, and the pro-CCP chinese basically talk like zombies with the same point over and over again.
3. Again, that’s fearmongering. Mainlanders can already kidnap HKer anyway, so it doesn’t matter jackshit, what they need is legitimacy i.e. showing HK is THEIR bitch. Too bad, HKer and Taiwanese don’t want this shit.
Yeah, you can guarantee everything, man. Your talking points and d dan mirror perfectly with the Beijing talking points.
Either ways, IF they do that, they lose every legitimacy they have. But so far, there’s nothing unreasonable there about the 5 demands (the 1st is achieved, and the 5th SHOULD be achieved in order this thing happening again).
I expect this to happen regardless, as well as an inquiry into protestor violence with particular focus on agent provocateurs.
This is so obviously nothing more than an attempt to evacuate Western agents under colour of law, or to leave them in place for the next “protest”. Of course, genuine protestors are also quite likely to support such demands as well. No reason not to.
Of course, at least from the protestors POV, but the point to this demand is to open the possibility of planting CIA/State Dept puppets in those positions.
Yeah find me one proof where I have said I’m indian.
I have been called a troll, a scumbag, a hasbarist, a US shill, and now an indian? Man, you guys give me so many titles it’s hard to keep track off.
Either ways, it’s objective fact that CCP tries to smear the protesters, evidences:
1. Online buzzing of the sample disproven or unsubstanced talking point (CIA – no proof, HK becoming a criminal haven – fearmongering, the murderer in Taiwan – that pro-China HK govt deliberately ignores communication from Taiwan).
2. Paid counter-protesters who have NO idea what the protest is about, and is mainly there to yell CHINA IS ONE! CHINA IS ONE!
3. Protesters being violent (actually, cops are the violent ones, and footage evidences hugely amount to this, but this is suppressed by both western and eastern media).
Then you have the case where cops just straight out plant evidences: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d0avcf/hong_kong_police_plant_evidence_to_citizen_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
This should have blown up everywhere, but zit, nada, we still see the same vids where some black masked “HKers” badmouth or attack some senior citizen, played again and again, even in Unz. What a joke.
Chi-com is infinitely preferable to COMINTERN, which is functionally what the US is the enforcer of. It’s like the joke in Yellow Dawn: Americans becoming 2nd-class citizens under Beijing rule is better than being 7th-class under Tel Aviv’s rule.
Are you that tone deaf? Majority of Hkers hate your guts. As more and more people lost their jobs and more and more public properties and public transit got vandalized and destroyed, they want their government act tougher. The public opinion already turned against you. Enjoy it while you can, because Hkers won’t let you destroy Hong Hong. Tell your riots friends get ready for prison.
Regarding your tone, “riot”, it seems you are a pro-CCP shill? The only riot here is the riot police.
Keep banging that drum, mate, the HKers are ready to face your thuggery.
discuss with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong
That’s funny. Didn’t you say you were born in Vietnam and live in Vietnam? Why are you Vietcong so interested in Hong Hong anyway? Is it because many of the rioters are children of Vietnamese refugees? Both my grandparents left Canton for Hong Kong in 1949. We know the land. Who cares more about Hong Hong? Chinese like me or a Vietcong like you.
Video Link
I’m interested in Hong Kong like I’m interested in most worldwide politics.
Besides, this issue is unfolding right next to Vietnam. I’m learning from this experience to see how effectively China smears its political dissidents and I’m not impressed.
That clip in particularly, do I hear Mandarin in it? Suspicious.
@ bjondo
Wow, I didn’t know Hong Kong was a part of China since the Qin dynasty, but there’s a brief period of Hong Kong is under Nanyue. Hmm, interesting.
“but there’s a brief period of Hong Kong is under Nanyue. Hmm, interesting.”
And Nanyue was part of China. Hmm, interesting.
Please explain. What did you hear? at where? What makes it suspicious to you?
Nanyue was a separate kingdom that splits from China actually.
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
The audio is not very good but I faintly hear mandarin spoken when the cops break in the train’s door.
As you know, cantonese is the popular language in HK. I have always associated mandarin with mainlanders.
https://www.rt.com/news/468301-hong-kong-protest-leaders-ties-us/
The real question is: is Tibet a part of China? Until that’s decided by the Tibetans themselves without the Han of China meddling in their affairs, one can never know. Only time will tell!
YOu’r repeating yourself.
I already call you out, Xi can, but he wont, unlike fukus , stirring shit for a living is not the Chinese cup of tea.
How does Xi ‘does it’ with oversea Chinese pray tell ?
Im saying you use multiple id, previously posted as ‘Indian’, now you’ve chameleoned into a ‘Viet’, LOL,
Washington /London are up to its eyeballs in the HK caper, they dont even bother to hide it.
yet You want ‘proof’ of CIA ?
LOL
Not so fast, what really happened ?
Cops ‘plant evidence’ in the open while being filmed no less , they couldnt be so stupid ?
Storming and vandalising court house, arson, assault police, aint considered riots. ?
Wow, I dont realise the West, never mind Nam, is such a paradise. !
hehhe
Mr. Smith’s been outed on the House Niggers thread. Quite probably, he’s less Vietnamese than you, Chinaman & d dan are, and I certainly wouldn’t put it past him to use multiple IDs.
Whatever else he is, he’s a Troll.
Good call.
If it looks like a troll, walks like a troll and quacks like a troll.
hehehhe
“Until that’s decided by the Tibetans themselves without the Han of China meddling in their affairs…”
So, Han can’t have a say about Tibet’s independence? Only Tibetans?
Can Californians decide to go independence without the approvals of other 49 states?
What about Arunachal Pradesh and northeast India? Can they just go independence if they decide so, without interference from other parts of India?
South Tibet (so called AP) is recognized by the United Nation as a disputed territory since 2009. This means the international communities do not recognized South Tibet part of India. India invaded and annexed South Tibet in 1951, four years after the British Raj has already left and renamed it to AP in 1987, clearly trying to fool the world that this is part of India. Occupied South Tibet includes Tawang, birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. The people there are restless and India knows it. This is the reason a law is imposed on AP that allows the state to legally detain or kill anyone with impunity. The law is called AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act). AFSPA is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as AP, the northeast and Kashmir. The MSM has been suppressing this news for decades. Shame on them.
Free South Tibet from the shithole India.
So you are saying Xi can’t, but he won’t? Explain the various chinese abroad?
And he does it the same way CIA does it abroad, with handlers and funding.
And evidence where I have been posting as an indian, wot?
Cops plant evidence and got filmed on broad daylight:
And yeah, I remember antifa/BLM doing worse shit in the US and I don’t remember they were called rioters even by the US government. In Vietnam, ANY big protest is called a riot by the government because they don’t want people acting up.
@ Erebus:
How have I been “outed” again? Can you provide evidence? And nah, I ain’t a troll either.
Read it here, Justin. Just follow the links.
I am so sick of this question.
Is California, Texas part of the US? In fact, all land in the USA was stolen.
China will give back Tibet when the US give back California to Mexico or pay reparations to Indians based on current market value of the land they stole.
That should settle the matter,
those in glass house, don’t throw bricks.
I read it, but what does that have to do with me?
I’m Smith, not Justin.
@ denk
Also, developing stories and actual proof of cop saboteurs blaming protesters:
Cops planting false evidence: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d0avcf/hong_kong_police_plant_evidence_to_citizen_in/
Masked “protestors” (i.e. cops) hammering sign of MTR station despite the gate is already locked from the public: https://www(dot)reddit(dot)com/r/HongKong/comments/d1aoa1/protestors_damaging_the_information_board_with_a/
Those are meetings, now where are the ties?
One doesn’t meet a Pompeo/Bolton/Whiton unless there’s an established history of important ties at lower levels. These guys don’t meet foreign 20-somethings for social reasons, numbskull. They meet them as a reward for performance and as encouragement to perform even better. Everybody but the “Smiths” knows that.
Read it again with the understanding that there can’t be 2 “Smiths” on this site unless they share email addresses, and quite likely other non-public criteria.
My advice to this bunch of “Smiths” is to pack it up. Collectively, you’re in far over your heads here. You’re too brainwashed to even know that nobody’s buying your sophomoric slogans and half-baked political platitudes. Your audience knows it even if you don’t.
Only incompetence on the part of your superiors, or a genuine shortage of talent keeps you here.
China has been executing drug dealers since before the Opium Wars.
If you want a recent example, just last year (June 26, 2018), a court in Hainan Province sentenced two drug traffickers to death in public, in front of hundreds of people (link).
So again, where are the ties? You can have your suspicion and all, but where are the actual proofs of CIA involvement in the Hong Kong protests? I know American NGO is involved, so that’s one, and US NGO is connected to the CIA, so that might be a connection there, but we are talking about DIRECT PROOFS, and not reach or connection.
How can there NOT be two Smith? Smith is not an uncommon name. Especially when me and that Justin use different email addresses?
@ Vidi
My question is still when will China actually start executing their drug dealers? The ones that are higher up and are in bed with the government, not the local riff raff.
For example, we never know who’s responsible for the recently Fenantyl shipment caught by Mexico.
YOu’r like broken record, all your points have been answered.
Re CIA,
We know NED is up to its eyeballs in HK,
. In 1991 NED’s first president, the historian Allen Weinstein, confessed to The Washington Post: “A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA” (1).
Too bad, CIA suspect Patrick Kern, the field commander who directs op on the ground, have fled.
BUt ‘smith’ still demand…’where’s the CIA’.
if only you’d apply the same ‘rigor’ to yourself….
ROFLMAO,
How did US helps China ‘cover up cops violence’ ?
PROOF ?
wHAT video footage were ‘suppressed by both western [sic] and eastern media ?
YOu’r really full of it !
tHERE’r dozens of known coups, assasinations., destabilisatons perpetrated by CIA/MI6.
That’s some shit stirring.
hOW many have Xi scored ?
and who might those big fish be ?
The miserable “Smiths.” To quote Erebus, “Only incompetence on the part of your superiors, or a genuine shortage of talent keeps you here.”
‘smith’ is not here for the truth as he claim,
cuz he and his soul mate onebornfreak both have been spewing B.S.
He’s here to play game.
I answered your question already: I showed that two drug dealers were sentenced to death in Hainan Province last year. We can be very sure (with 99.9% probability) that they will actually be executed, if they appeal and their appeals fail. If you demand more evidence of their deaths than that, like their rotting corpses, you are being an annoying, offensive twit.
I proved that you were wrong in assuming that China doesn’t execute drug dealers. So now you change your accusation. What is your proof that some drug dealers are “in bed with the government”? I’m not saying that there aren’t a few, but what is your evidence that some government officials in China are helping drug dealers?
By the way, Trump likes China’s execution of drug dealers. “Trump praises China for executing drug dealers: ‘I appreciate that very much’” (link).
You are a true slave of the Anglo Zionist Empire. As I demonstrated in a previous thread, you even spread their lies. Especially when the topic is China, your opinion is worthless to me.
You should eat some Mao’s shit. I am sure you will find it taste good. Now go fuck yourself you piece of shit. Why are you defending the Indians? Indians in Hong Kong has committed more than their fair share of rapes. You are a worthless piece of shit.
By the way I can understand you worship the fucking piece of shit Mao because of the brainwashing in the mainland. But defending the filthy land grabbing Indians? Seriously?
“Especially when the topic is China, your opinion is worthless to me.”
Big fucking deal.
@ denk
So coincidentally, a certain Patrick Kern (suspected to be CIA, again WITH NO PROOF) has fled the protests while the protests still go on, proving that there is no need for him to “handle” shit.
Paid counter-protesters in Australia, Canada or even Hong Kong, they ALL have the same talking points used by the pro-CCP shills (Erebus, annamaria) here, I doubt it’s a cohencidence.
Also, the footages of cops brutality, cops planting false evidence (that I have posted) is conveniently missing in ALL mainstream western and eastern media. Another Cohencidence?
And again, Xi has CCP shills all over the globe starting shit, every chinese who support CCP abroad can be put into the suspect clause.
@ Vidi
First off, I don’t care about the local riff raff CCP executed. I want the higher ups, for example who is responsible for the multi-ton fenantyl shipment recently caught by Mexico, you either have to be in a company or have a governmental position to let that slip by and if he’s executed or not. That’s whatimportant.
Not public execution of local drug dealers to scare children.
As I proved in a previous thread, you made a vicious lie about Mao refusing medical treatment to his friend Zhou Enlai. Feel free to insult me as much as you wish; a liar like you will always have a liar’s reputation.
That wasn’t what you asked for at first. Initially, you insinuated that China was not executing drug dealers. When I proved you wrong, you changed your tune.
I will not address your new assertions, as I don’t want you to ruin this thread as badly as you polluted Shamir’s thread.
Yeah, OK? That was what I asked in my OG post.
And no, you do not prove me wrong, local riff raffs kill each other daily everywhere in the world, while the big players are protected by the government.
YOur video of ‘police planting evidence’
could be any of these…
*police FF
*a bunch of over zealous police or.,
*fukus FF ,
Ergo, far from conclusive, subject to
a proper investigation.
In other words, you cannot back up any of your four accusations and yet you’r still repeating them ad nauseam
what an ass
A self-grouping of trained regime-changers, including the MI6-funded “moderate jihadis” of “White Helmets” and the ambitious little fool (and Bolton protege) from Hong-Kong: https://www.rt.com/news/468518-joshua-wong-white-helmets/
Surprisingly, Carl Gershman from the NED is not in the picture.
“National Endowment for Destabilization? CIA Funds for Latin America in 2018” https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/National-Endowment-for-Destabilization-CIA-Funds-for-Latin-America-in-2018-20190403-0042.html
“The National Endowment for (Meddling in) Democracy” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-national-endowment-for-political-meddling-democracy-ned/
Yeah, OK, or it could be police planting false evidence on broad daylight.
Either ways, public trust for HK police is getting to historically low level.
@ annamaria
Wait, Joshua Wong is Bolton protege? Bolton just got fired and even HKers do not want Joshua Wong to speak for them since it’s a leaderless movement.
Good for HK! Bad for Bolton and J. Wong.
And the day China gives up East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet etc… Japan will be willing to negotiate the Senkaku Islands.
The CIA-educated thugs in Hong Kong: “They are selling their own nation and people…” https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468508-hong-kong-protests-violent/
The “western democracy” of UK and the militant idiots in Hong Kong:
https://www.rt.com/news/468545-vivienne-westwood-assange-prison/
Assange faces 175 years in jail.
The CIA-trained puppies of Hong Kong still don’t get it: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/orwells-ministry-truth-alive-why-dont-we-hear-much-about-julian-assange
John Pilger
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@johnpilger
Do not forget Julian #Assange. Or you will lose him.
I saw him in Belmarsh prison and his health has deteriorated. Treated worse than a murderer, he is isolated, medicated and denied the tools to fight the bogus charges of a US extradition. I now fear for him. Do not forget him.
“And the day China gives up East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Tibet etc… Japan will be willing to negotiate the Senkaku Islands.”
Very funny. You sounds like a very “powerful” person.
Hong Kong Today: What do the people have to say?
Video Link
Video Link
State of the official journalism in the UK: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/11/uk-security-services-neutralized-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/#comments
Apology for the lengthy repost.
The comment section, by Abe:
Luke Harding, the leading presstitute for the UK establishment:
Just a word of thanks for bringing those links to the attention of Unz readers.
The “deep state” has found itself in uncomfortably shallow water, so they’re rather desperately trying to muddy it to compensate. That might work, until it doesn’t.
Just to add to that, Nathan Rich produces several media about western media bias and lies on China. Nathan, an American himself, stays in China, and is uniquely able to bridge the cultural gap between the two countries.
1, Nathan did an indepth rebuttal of a NY Times article on China’s healthcare.
2. And this one about how CNN creates fear on China’s military rise:
3. This one about BBC’s bias on Hong Kong riot:
4. This one about how youtube censors pro-China info:
Jesus guys, at least try to get the accent right if you’re taking the mickey. It’s the Japanese that confuse ‘l’ and ‘r’, not Cantonese speakers.
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