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Alan Dershowitz, in Guilt by Accusation, writes, referring to accusations concerning his alleged sexual misconduct,

“Evidence was no longer important. It was the accusation that mattered, as well as the identities of the accuser and accused. The presumption shifted from innocence to guilt. For a man to call a false accuser a liar became a political sin, even if the accused had hard evidence of the accuser’s lies, as I did.”

The main purpose of his short book is to dent the credibility of Virginia Roberts Giuffre who, as well as being a leading witness against Dershowitz’s friend and former client Jeffrey Epstein, has claimed that the latter trafficked her for sex with Mr Dershowitz.

Now that Jeffrey Epstein is dead and Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested and charged we can only hope that the courts get to the bottom of the matter and find out what actually did or did not happen.

However, Mr Dershowitz, as well as writing his case-for-the-defence in relation to Virginia Giuffre, has also expended effort to discredit another person who has made accusations damaging to him. That person is Maria Farmer, who worked for Epstein and whose allegations against him and others are recounted in the Netflix documentary Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich.

Although Farmer does not claim to have been abused by Dershowitz, she does state in an affidavit that she saw Dershowitz on a number of occasions at Epstein’s New York mansion where she worked, “going upstairs at the same time there were young girls under the age of 18 who were present upstairs in the house.” Dershowitz vigorously denies that this was even possible, saying that he only met Epstein “well after she [Farmer] stopped working for him”. According to Dershowitz, Farmer stopped working for Epstein in the “early summer of 1996” with Dershowitz only meeting Epstein for the first time, via Lynn Forester (Lady d’Rothschild), in the summer of 1996. However, Farmer claims in an interview with the journalist Whitney Webb that Dershowitz met Epstein years before he claims, via Bert Fields, the husband of Barbara Guggenheim.

Curiously Dershowitz, in his recent article aiming to discredit Farmer, does not mention the one time he is referred to by name in Webb’s lengthy phone interview. Instead, he sets out to depict Farmer as someone who may have“been motivated by the anti-Semitic attitudes she has long harboured, to falsely accuse prominent Jews of sexual misconduct.”

It is this suggestion and others made in the article that I want to examine here. Note that Farmer’s claims about Dershowitz are in fact relatively mild and hardly the high-coloured stuff we might expect of an anti-Semitic liar; indeed, Dershowitz’s reference to “prominent Jews” in the plural may suggest that he is attempting to undermine Farmer’s claims about Epstein, Maxwell and perhaps others, rather than just himself.

The claims that Dershowitz makes about Farmer’s alleged anti-Semitism are a large part of the ‘evidence’ he brings forward to undermine the testimonial authority that Farmer claims to have as an alleged victim of Epstein. If Farmer can be shown to be a raving anti-Semite with a vicious attitude towards Jewish people, then her testimony becomes more questionable both in the eyes of the public and in the eyes of judges.

Dershowitz, referring to Farmer’s interview with Webb (which is available on Youtube in two parts here and here makes the following claims in his NewsMax article entitled Key Witness in Epstein Case Made Anti-Semitic Claims

Dershowitz opens the article by citing, in quotation marks, six statements that he asserts Farmer uttered in the course of the interview.

Here they are:

  • “I had a hard time with all Jewish people.”
  • “I think it’s all the Jews.”
  • “They think Jewish DNA is better than the rest of us.”
  • “These people truly believe they are chosen every one of them.”
  • “All the Jewish people I met are pedophiles that run the world economy.”
  • “They are ‘Jewish supremacists'” and they are “all connected” through a mysterious organization called MEGA, which is run by Leslie Wexner who is “the head of the snake.”

Most readers, on seeing these statements, would conclude that whoever uttered them was someone with very bigoted attitudes towards Jews in general and prone to the kind of conspiratorial thinking that takes hold in the minds of people with paranoid tendencies.

What happens if we actually listen to the interview, to which Dershowitz provided no link or reference? As there is no transcript of the interview I have transcribed the relevant sections of it myself, together with timings so that readers can check for accuracy.

Exhibit 1

“They think Jewish DNA is better than the rest of us.”

This is cited by Dershowitz as an example of the“bigotry Maria Farmer spewed during a recorded two-hour interview that can be heard online.”

What Farmer actually said, in the relevant section of the interview (and the only time she mentioned DNA) is as follows:

14.09-14.41 DNA

“When I called Ghislaine [Maxwell] and asked why I couldn’t eat there [at a private and exclusive country club] she said “it’s a Jewish country club, you’re not Jewish, they’re not going to serve you.” This is how this woman spoke to me, yeah. This is how these people think Whitney. They, honest to God, think their DNA is better than everybody else’s, I swear to you. It was a theme all the time with them. With Eileen Guggenheim, with Jeffrey Epstein, with Ghislaine. It was a theme.”

It is quite clear from the context that Farmer, when she says “They”, is referring to the set of people she mentions and not all Jewish people. Yet Dershowitz, by stripping away the context of the quotation, leads the reader to assume that “They” is a universal ascription of certain views to Jews in general of the kind that might be made by a genuinely bigoted person.

Exhibit 2

“I had a hard time with all Jewish people.”

“I think it’s all the Jews”.

“All the Jewish people I met are pedophiles that run the world economy.”

The context of these quotations can be seen below.

“1hr 24.05 “I was actually glad I was in hiding in obscure hillbilly town. Like I’ve had to live in horrible places full of ignorant hillbillies and it was a relief because they weren’t elites, you know. It was just, it’s, for a long time I had a hard time with all Jewish people, I’m gonna be honest with you. For a long time I was like, I think it’s all the Jews. Like I don’t know, because my sister is like, “Maria, it’s just the ones you met, it’s these people.” It’s just unfortunate that all the Jewish people I met also happen to be pedophiles that run the world economy, you know. So it gives like a bad taste in your mouth. But David Icke has kind of helped me with that. I kind of understand it better now, but like er that looks hard. You know, they did a number on all of us. We’ve all had a hard time with, like, a lot of it because of the abuse, you know. So it’s hard to not then go, all these people are like this when it’s not true, not all of them, just a huge chunk of elites are like this.”

The first thing to notice here is that Dershowitz removes the words “For a long time” from both the first and second quotes. Had he kept the phrase in, this might have led readers to ask what Maria Farmer’s evolving attitudes were and whether she has distanced herself or is in the process of doing so from previous attitudes. Compare how you might react on hearing that someone had said, “For a long time, I thought, black people are inferior”, as opposed to hearing the person had simply said “black people are inferior”.

Farmer explicitly distances herself from a bigoted stance towards “all Jewish people” seeing herself as trying to recover from such an attitude. In this context, she refers to the advice of her sister and, alarmingly, that of David Icke who certainly has trafficked in wild conspiracy theories concerning lizards and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Not the best choice for a guide, to put it mildly, and a worrying sign of Farmer’s naivete – but the point here is that she is actively resisting a tendency to bigotry she presents as arising from her traumatic experiences.

Again she refers to the specific people she came across in the Epstein set, who she claims are powerful pedophiles that run the world economy. And she suggests that as a result of the abuse she says she suffered at the hands of people within this elite set, she developed an attitude towards Jews that was bigoted and which she is trying to resist. She does not deny that she has sometimes blurred the line between Jews generally and the arrogant criminal conduct of the elite set, but it must be recalled that she was a young woman at the time of the alleged abuse and has since struggled with her prejudice, hoping to overcome it.

It is hardly unusual for abuse victims to develop negative and irrational attitudes to groups of people who share features with their abusers. Female rape victims not uncommonly struggle not to have negative attitudes to all men, or to all men who share certain physical characteristics with the men who raped them. Very often such victims know that such attitudes are irrational and struggle with them. Or think of the attitudes to ‘all Germans’ of some Holocaust victims, or to ‘the Japanese’ of British prisoners of the Japanese in World War II, or of the attitudes of Jewish and Palestinian victims of Palestinian and Israeli terrorism to those they identify with the terrorists. To quote Maria Farmer in a way that deliberately suppresses her struggles with past attitudes and depict her as a straightforward bigot to be excoriated is to suppress the voice of someone who may simply be trying to recover from damage inflicted upon her.

Exhibit 3

“These people truly believe they are chosen every one of them.”

Maria Farmer does not actually say what Dershowitz has her saying (by combining two clauses in different sentences). Again, “every one of them” clearly refers to a specific group, the Epstein set.

1hr 32.04-1hr 32.47

“You wouldn’t believe the way Jeffrey and Ghislaine spoke about African-Americans. It was like, it made my skin crawl. Anybody who was not Jewish, and you should write about this, but the way they spoke about them, it was really horrifying and it showed me a great deal about how these people truly believe that they are chosen to do something here. I don’t know, it’s unbelievable to me. I mean, and it was every one of them, the way they spoke. And one time I heard Isabelle say to her mother Eileen [Guggenheim] “Mommy, why do you call Maria a nobody” and she said “Honey, Isabelle, Maria is not a Jew, she is a nobody. So you can see why, for about 20 years…”

Exhibit 4

“They are “Jewish Supremacists”

1hr 33.45-1hr34.04

“This is a problem, this elitism is very deep and these are the people pushing racism, these are the people saying, pushing white, saying there is White Supremacy, which maybe there is in some ignorant Southern hillbilly groups, but I don’t know any White Supremacists but I know a lot of Jewish Supremacists they’re all elites and they are all connected. And they are the biggest Supremacists I have ever met. And the things they said about Black people made me cry. Honest to God. It made me sick.”

Note that Dershowitz completely misquotes Farmer here and again, by stripping the quotation of context leads his readers to assume that “They” refers to all Jews, rather than Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their set. Presumably for Dershowitz, someone condemning White Supremacists they had met, and referring to that particular group as ‘they’, could be condemned as having a bigoted attitude to all white people – even if they said in the same interview that they know this isn’t about white people as a group.

It is worth now quoting Farmer at length to gain an insight into the levels of dishonesty Dershowitz is to employ.

PART 2

34.19 – 37.27

“So Jeffrey and Ghislaine they were at the estate, they came like three times to visit Wexner while I was there. And they would go meet with him and then they would come back. And Ghislaine said they were working on all these Israeli charities for students and for,you know,Jewish people. And I remember thinking, oh that’s weird. And she was like, she was like “you don’t understand our loyalty to Israel, Maria. You don’t understand our loyalty.” She’s like, “unless you’re a dual citizen you just don’t get it”. She’s like “your people could never understand.” She would say “My people, your people, The Chosen Ones”, all that bullshit. And I’m just like…Let me tell you something, if I walk out of here not at all racist it’s a freaking miracle. Because I struggle every day with it. I’m like urgh I was so abused. I guess it could have happened from any group but because they are the ones that happen to control the world. It’s hard, it’s really hard, like this specific group of elites. It’s really hard to not just hate them, you know. So I haven’t gotten over hating that Ghislaine and the way she…

WW: I think they try and lump everyone in by design too, you know, in order to give themselves protection.

MF: Yes.

WW: I think it’s very intentional.

MF: It is very intentional.

WW: I can’t blame you for feeling that way considering what you had to go through so.

MF: Right. Well I don’t really feel that way. Let me tell you my background. Every boyfriend I’ve ever had was very Jewish, like 100 per cent, and never, I mean I had the best relationships in New York, I mean these were like the most patient guys, I don’t know why they put up with me, I think back on it and like those were the nicest guys. So there were the four boyfriends I had and everybody who got in touch with them says you know what Maria your boyfriends loved you so much and say nothing but nice things. So I have had very good experiences.But it was the Eileen Guggenheim thing and the Ghislaine all of that really soured me on like the religious, on religion in general, if you wanna know the truth. Like religion being used against people. And erm just all of it. It just really soured me. And I don’t, I don’t totally trust people, even though I have friends that are Jewish, like I still havefraught trust issues because, and it’s so unfair to them – rationally I know it’s unfair, but I was so, you know, scalded by the hot water, you know, I just can’t, I just can’t, I just can’t stick my hand back in. Like it’s too hard right now.

WW: That’s ok, it makes sense.

MF: But I don’t totally feel that way. I’m just being honest. I’m like a really honest person Whitney. And so, most people will never talk about that stuff. And I’m not…and the other thing that pisses me off is this whole anti-semitic bs because they call Bernie Sanders anti-semitic.

WW: Oh yeah, I know.

MF: I’m like, when is it going to end.

WW: It’s out of control. And the whole dual loyalty thing, you can’t say that even though you just mentioned what Ghislaine told you, right? Sheldon Adelson, he’s on video saying, all I care about is being a good citizen of Israel and he’s the top political donor in the United States. So the fact you’re not allowed to talk about is I think very troubling, right so…”

Whatever one makes of Farmer’s claims, there can be no doubt that Dershowitz has concocted a grotesque smear, depicting her as something she is not to a wide readership who will never hear the interview. Perhaps, using his own standards, we should begin to question his own reliability as a witness, using his actual – not fabricated or misleadingly presented – words.

It is not as though Dershowitz doesn’t have an impressive track record when it comes to smears and character assassination; in particular, blaming victims is something he has shown himself very willing to do.

Just a few examples will suffice here, but those looking for more documentation on Dershowitz’s reliability should consult, for starters, David Samel; Norman Finkelstein and Tim Wilkinson.

Dershowitz falsely claimed that Norman Finkelstein suspected his mother of being a ‘kapo’ by distorting a moving account of her experiences Finkelstein had recalled. He falsely and without evidence claimed that Walt and Mearsheimer drew from “neo-Nazi” websites for their work on the Israel Lobby. He called Richard Goldstone a “moser” and accused Robert Fisk of anti-Semitism when he attempted to look for the possible motivational causes of the hijackers of 911, telling listeners that Fisk was anti-American and that “anti-Americanism is the same as anti-Semitism”[1]The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East (London: Harper Perennial 2006) p. 1034..

Readers can look up Finkelstein’s thorough refutation of Dershowitz’s book The Case for Israel in Beyond Chutzpah, for examples of his deeply biased, deeply unreliable approach and well-documented attempts to justify numerous war crimes and his defence of torture.

As Finkelstein points out, Dershowitz asserts in Chutzpah,

“Anti-Semitism is the problem of bigots…Nothing we do can profoundly affect the twisted mind of the anti-Semite”. As Finkelstein puts it, “In sum, Jews can never be culpable for the antipathy others bear towards them: it’s always of their making, not ours.” (p81 Beyond Chutzpah)

Such a point is worth remembering when examining Dershowitz’s book The Case Against Israel’s Enemies. In this later book, he argues that the dispossession of the Palestinians was deserved because of their support for Hitler during World War II (in this he differs from Joan Peters whom he heavily relied on in writing his earlier The Case for Israel which largely adopted her debunked conclusions). He states that “The truth is that the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler’s Holocaust.” (p. 196) There is, of course, not the slightest evidence of this ‘significant role’, but Dershowitz thinks it acceptable to smear an entire people and use such statements to justify ongoing human rights abuses against that same people to this day.

It’s a familiar story. Ignoring the historical context, the Occupation, “they” deserve what they get because, well, they are bigoted towards Zionists for no reason whatsoever. And as a result, we can safely ignore their testimonial authority with regard to what Dershowitz calls the “so-called Palestinian Nakba” (p.206).

Maria Farmer is only the latest victim of Dershowitz’s smears. Before you throw people under the bus, it’s best to dehumanise them, ignoring the harms done to them in order to justify your character assassination (or, when it comes to Israel, the ‘targeted’ assassinations Dershowitz supports).

Dershowitz’s latest article is of a piece with his advocacy for Israel’s crimes over the years. Blaming the victim, while making oneself invulnerable to criticism by demeaning those who dare to criticise, is a hallmark of Dershowitz’s career.

Notes

[1] The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East (London: Harper Perennial 2006) p. 1034.

 
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  1. Vernon, I think you’ve classified me as a bigot, though a clear and precise definition of bigot is hard to find. It may be just a label thrown around by bigots.

    I believe that only Jews could be so evil as to nuke Beirut, as Israel has just done. The Jews collectively are evil. I think it’s splitting hairs to dispute that. But that the Jews collectively are evil does not mean all Jews individually are evil. That is certainly not the case.

    Ann the Bigot

  2. Who could trust a single word that emanates from that ghoulish visage? For a textbook example of sophistry just watch the recent Kennedy vs Dershowitz debate, in which Dersh falls flat on his face attempting to justify his appalling assertion that the state has the right to compel citizens to accept mandatory experimental sars-cov-2 vaccines.

  3. @William Oliver

    You beat me to it; I was about to reference the recent debate with RFK Jr. Dersh’s position on mando vaccination is made more appalling by his lack of familiarity with the facts possessed by the anti- mandatory side.

  4. I had listened to the full interview of MF by WW months ago. Only a douche with an interest in suppressing truth would mischaracterize her comments so. So Dershowitz reminds me of a line from a song by the late, great Charlie Daniels. His heels are on fire and his ass is catching.

    But don’t be unkind to David Icke. Even his far out theories are interesting. And if he wasn’t able to entertain no one would know him. I wouldn’t be surprised to find an essay on Unz about the Sabbatean-Frankist cult that Maria Farmer must’ve been referring to when she said Icke was helping her overcome her anti Jewish sentiments.

    • Replies: @jsigur
    , @Franz
    , @chris
  5. Exile says:

    Dershowitz doth cry out too much as he strikes her.

    The harder he spins on this, the more guilt I assume.

    And his shenanigans with Cernovich over the sealed discovery should be grounds for bar complaints against both of them.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  6. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    ‘I believe that only Jews could be so evil as to nuke Beirut, as Israel has just done…’

    I’d say this is a common error of anti-semites (I say that as someone who could reasonably be labelled an anti-semite himself).

    Jews do not have a monopoly on evil. Wouldn’t the world be wonderfully simplified if that were the case?

  7. @Colin Wright

    The difference is that it is open season to hate whites without losing your livelihood while taboo to criticize jews, even where it’s justified. They’re even crushing the 1A a little more in order to prevent BDS movement from having a say.

    They’re the same in that neither elite whites nor elite jews really give a shit about the opinions of the proles because they feel like they’re Teflon coated. They do what they want.

  8. @Colin Wright

    I was referring to a specific, monstrous act. I didn’t say the Jews are the only people who do evil.

  9. Hubert says:

    Good analysis of Dershowitz’s methods. He relies on people not looking up sources and giving himself plausible deniability.

  10. It would be good to see Dershowitz go to prison before he dies of old age.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @DaveE
  11. Druid says:
    @Hubert

    A true “scumbag” if ever there was one! The man is relentlessly evil! I don’t know how else to say it. And there are many more of his ilk: Abrams,Wolfowitz, Adelson, Goldstein, retc., etc., etc

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. Miro23 says:

    Maria Farmer is only the latest victim of Dershowitz’s smears. Before you throw people under the bus, it’s best to dehumanise them…

    And right now, the Chosen are doing precisely that with the whole of Anglo America.

    Starting with the youngest children, Anglos are hammered with the message in school, films, government policy, literature, academia, MSM etc. they are racists – children of racists and are really bad people, and everything to do with their culture and traditions is bad. The aim is to destabilize, disorientate and dominate them.

    The gaslighting isn’t in any way random. It’s an organized and highly coordinated race attack by the US Jewish elite on Anglo Americans.

    Maybe it gives Dershowitz pause for thought that Ghislaine Maxwell is currently in a hellhole of a cell in Brooklyn’s Metropolitan Detention Centre. That was never supposed to happen. Also why did the whole Little St. George party blow up? The foundations of US Jewish power are showing some cracks, which is something to worry about from their POV. With more subversive activity, and breaks in the structure, the whole edifice could come down faster that the Twin Towers.

  13. Tom says:
    @William Oliver

    Who could trust a single word that emanates from that ghoulish visage?
    Love that one!

    Dershitwitz is totalitarian at heart.

    Alan Dershowitz would likely defend Satan if the money was right.He is everything that has gone wrong with American…

    Posted by Tom Briggs on Tuesday, May 26, 2020

  14. The problem is that Dershowitz’s quotes will be repeated thousands of times by the Jewish controlled media to destroy this girl. The ADL now believes it’s Antisemitic to say anything about George Soros. I find it kind of funny that the Jewish Country Club only wanted Jews. Years ago the Jews couldn’t get into some “White Country Clubs.” So much for diversity that the Jews preach.

    • Agree: Tom, Iva
  15. Without any evidence, only discussing bullshit, minor details and using pilpul doesn’t change anything.
    Given jews have decades of practice in being criminals, you can rarely find solid evidence for this kind of crime so you only have the testimonials.
    For some mysterious reason nobody can research about improved lie detectors to help this kind of case (or research about diagnosing methods to screen for psychopaths and sociopaths).

  16. Ghali says:

    Dershowits is the inventor of dishonesty and corruption. He is a self-confessed liar. Just listen to his lies about the Palestinians and how much he hates the Arabs. He is the most uneducated racist Fascist.

    I hope his book of Rubbish will never influence the judge handling the case against him and his criminal associates.

  17. @William Oliver

    I have seen Dershowitz interviewed on TV more than a half-dozen times now, over the last year, related to his activities in the Epstein universe and every time I’ve said to the TV, “He doth protest the loudest!”

    His over-eagerness to “explain” and defend is completely apparent. He talks like a guilty guy.

    • Replies: @William Oliver
  18. “They, honest to God, think their DNA is better than everybody else’s”

    It’s really hard to argue with that when there are so many public statements to choose from. Ovadia Yosef (late Sephardic rabbi of Israel) was a perennial source of such material. Nevermind the numerous studies on Jews and IQ.

    Yes, if confronted Jews will say that the ‘chosen people’ business means that they are ‘chosen to lead’.

    Yet listen to what they say when gentiles aren’t around. A sample:

    “We are better and smarter. That’s why!” All the assembled nodded in approval and went on to talk about the election of Benjamin Netanyahu…

    Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America, Stephen Bloom.

  19. R2b says:

    Good journalism!
    Dershowitz seems to be caught in the webb!
    Doth scream too much.
    Using same old trick, spreading out the genetic net, using the little jew.
    But you know, its ”because they feared the Jews”, St John 9:22.

  20. The woman’s name is not Virginia Roberts Guiffre, but Virginia Roberts Giuffre. This misspelling occurs twice in the article and should be corrected.

  21. jsigur says:

    Miss Farmer clearly understands that the Protocols of Zion is a real subversive Jewish document and her apologizing for her honest views about Jewish behavior is her way of hoping not to become so censored she can no longer be relevant.
    While I understand the author’s claims about Dershowitz’s exaggerated smear campaign, IMO, his claims are more accurate than many other smears that I have seen various Jews engage in when someone comes too close to exposing subversive Jewish power.
    These antisemitism claims work because they system defines these accusers as “good” and those exposing as “bad” or”Nazi’s”
    This is also why the left gets away with violence while the extreme right gets targeted as “the new alkaida” for doing roughly the same thing ( there’s a clear case to be made that the right’s violence is usually defensive in nature while that is obscured by the media’s distorting the occurrence with smears while leaving out justifications that cause the violence engaged in)
    The over-riding truth hear is that the US government and the Jewish media will smear anyone that sheds a light on real Jewish power.
    Many of us here at Unz clearly have known this for quite awhile but an article like this may educate the normies that still believe America has a free press

    • Replies: @chuckywiz
  22. jsigur says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Isn’t it sad that Charlie in his old age was a clear supporter of blind patriotism ( It turns out that many of the singer- song writers, from the sixties,were gatekeepers as well though their songs often had a transcendental effect-individually)?

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  23. Dersh likes to analyze others statements, particularly statements by comely young “shiksas”, and draw his own conclusions? Then let us analyze one of Dersh’s own statements: “The only massage I had at Epstein’s was from a fifty year old Russian woman, and I didn’t like it. I kept my underwear on. I’m not a massage kind of guy”. OK, Dersh. You admit you have had a massage at Epstein’s house, so you have been in Epstein’s infamous “massage room”, where Epstein sexually abused and even raped minor females, and that you were undressed, except, you say, for your underwear. If you are “not a massage kind of guy”, why were you in Epstein’s infamous “massage room” receiving a massage? You say you “didn’t like it”, but give no reason why you “didn’t like it”, except bracketing “I didn’t like it”, are the statements “… from a fifty year old Russian woman.” and “I kept my underwear on.” Is it reasonable to conclude the reason you “didn’t like it” was because the massage was being given by a fifty year old woman, and that you had your underwear on? Perhaps you would have liked it if the girl was much younger than fifty years old, perhaps thirty five years younger? Perhaps you would have liked it if you were not wearing underwear, or any clothing at all? You have stated you “are not a massage kind of guy”, perhaps you would have liked it if it wasn’t a legitimate “massage”, for example the type of “massage” offered at a place with flashing pink lights around the doorway and called “Lucky Spa”? Perhaps “Lucky Spa” would not have been to your taste as the masseuses would have been adult women and you would have had to fork over cash for your “massage”? Whereas at Epstein’s massage room the massages were free of charge and the masseuses were minor females?

    • Replies: @Rich
  24. The complainant Joffre has little to gain from her accusation other than peace in her mind and the restoration of her identity

    That is clear enough

    On the other hand, those in high places that ploughed young gentile meat with the pork sword likewise have their precious identity at stake

  25. Franz says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    But don’t be unkind to David Icke

    Most true and I second the thought.

    10 years ago the wife and I were selling books online, quite a few, and got to know ONE market real well. The United States Prison System.

    The most hot and in-demand titles at the time for that demographic were anything from the “two Davids”. That being David Duke and David Icke.

    Probably the only crack of light and truth those people were getting came from those two. I’ve no doubt some have straightened out, got released, and are building on the knowledge they gleaned from either or both.

    As the Emperor Julian put it: Who can say what door wisdom will walk through?

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
  26. Please recall Dershowitz pulled out the anti-Semitism canard when he was working for that scumbag, junk bond king, Michael Milken. Only anti-Semites can have a problem with fraud, theft, financial misconduct on an epic scale.

  27. “been motivated by the anti-Semitic attitudes she has long harboured, to falsely accuse prominent Jews of sexual misconduct.”

    One need not be motivated by antisemitism to falsely accuse prominent Jews of sexual misconduct–or anybody of anything for that matter.

    Nor need one be motivated by antisemitism to justly accuse prominent Jews of sexual misconduct.

    If this weren’t the case, then Epstein would be alive and happily living out his fantasies on his island today.

    Everything Dershovitz takes from the Farmer interview above is slanted in just that direction which would make him appear as the innocent victim of her relentless, unprovoked persecution. But more; standing alone he’s suspect and therefore vulnerable, so he has to make all Jews the victims.

    It’s not just he who is being accused, but all Jews, through all time, everywhere.

  28. Anti-Semitism mechanism Alan Dershowitz.

  29. chuckywiz says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    There got to be some way to differentiate the so called labels. Not All Israelis or all Jews are zionists. All Muslims are lumped into a very negative way. Consider Saudis, Qataris, and similar ignorant countries. Lot different than Indonesia (Largest Islamic country) Malaysia, Pakistan, Uzbekistan or even Russia (2nd largest population is Muslim after Orthodox). India-Modi’s party does not reflect ordinary Indians. Not every Christians in US is Billy Graham or Jerry Fawlwell or Pat Robertson.

    The point is: if there is anything counter to the propaganda or lumping the entire population– making it responsible for the actions of a few powerful. Time for the philosophers to chip in.

    I have been to Israel and have found a diversified public opinion on several issues that I dont find in US and its poodle states in Europe when it comes to action os Zionists.

    Glad to see something on this bully Dershowitz, over rated, and always using the word anti-semitism like using a big cross in front of Dracula to repel.

    Wonder if still is wearing same famous underwear as a proof for his innocence in rape charges.

  30. Reading this article reminds me of the techniques (selective and out of context quotations) the Dersh employed to slander Norman Finkelstein.

  31. chuckywiz says:
    @jsigur

    He is still wearing his underwear that he wore while getting his famous massage from the young girls. He has not changed that underwear since then and wears it all the time to preserve the evidence.
    A typical over rated bully whose time has come.

  32. @Exile

    And his shenanigans with Cernovich over the sealed discovery should be grounds for bar complaints against both of them.

    And, there, my friend, you put your thumb on the nub of the axle around which spins Justice. You want to call them before the BAR? Are you a lawyer? Can you afford such a lawyer? And once you get them there, inside their own Boys’ Club, what can we expect in terms of justice?
    The sooner we dismantle the so-called “Independent Judiciary”, the sooner we can regain our promised equality under the law.
    If it was not for the ‘right to representation’ these people would have to answer for their deeds, instead they send a shyster to talk nicely to the other shysters who all belong to the same BAR.
    I reember when Maria’s story first came out, the bit about the restaurant, within context, made my mind go: “what the hell are they doing there they don’t want her to see?” In my experience, Jews don’t really mind eating with Goyim, provided the milleu makes it clear you “belong” to one of them.

    Oh, and I doubt Icke held this woman’s hand. Most every one of his books preach endelssly about the pitfalls of racism and classism and every other …ism the Zionist Grey Bolshevist Satanists have spent so much time and money teaching every Goy out there. He got me to seriously reconsider the way I think about other people, discerning between them and their culture, for example. I cannot explain to you, for example, how much Englishmen revolt me, yet I do not call for their extermination (anymore). Icke gave me some needed perspective at a time when I needed it. Also, before reading him, I totally missed the bit in the Protocols where it explains how the Jews will be used to rile the world up into a final war and the ultimate destruction of all Goy institutions. Not that I like the man; tickets to his show here were rather discriminatory against normal working class people, to say the least.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  33. Lee says:

    It should be remembered that AD had the cajones to testify against some of the BS that was going on in the Trump impeachment trial. It would have been a lot easier and caused himself far less grief from the Left if he had simply stayed out of it.

    On the other hand, AD was on Fox News a couple of weeks ago and proclaimed his innocence about this case so forcefully that the Fox media guy couldn’t get a word in. I thought as I watching the broadcast of the old adage:

    The guilty dog yelps the loudest.

  34. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Not nuke, but zap Beirut with a directed energy weapon

  35. Z-man says:

    Any pain caused to Douche a witz is ‘aces in my book’. (Grin)

  36. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I see the belief system as demanding of hate of the outsider (in this case, unjustified, instant hate, since you believe there is some value to hate as a reaction to injustice! 🙂 ).. those that don’t subscribe to the faith (and still call themselves Jews through birth or whatnot), aren’t really in that category of ‘evil’. The fraction of faithful Jews that don’t hate on Gentiles as their teachings poke them to, also aren’t.. they are probably even better than those of us that start without the hindrance of unqualified hate for anyone ‘other’, as they have had to climb out of a ravine to get to our more common ‘normality’.

    Personally I suspect Judaism is currently again splitting like it did when Christ led some of them away from hate. I don’t think the world needs much of a prophet these days, we have so much information in front of us, it is much easier to make up your own mind.

    It will be interesting to see what reform Judaism will morph into. They don’t accept ritual to the same level as the classical faith, and that is certainly an important start to true morality.

    As for nukes in Beirut – surely someone has a Geiger counter and has popped down to the blast site and uploaded a video to YouTube? The nuke hypothesis will be the easiest of all to (dis)prove. I personally don’t think you need a nuke though – 3 kilotons of explosive is really enough for a nuclear like blast!

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  37. vot tak says:

    It’s been clear for a very long time that dershovitz is a thoroughly dishonest and repugnant individual. A psychopath.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  38. Rich says:
    @Bombercommand

    Pretty goof point. And now that I think about it, I’ve been to the homes of friends, associates and family members, never got a “massage” at any of them. Never stripped down to my underwear, either. Is that a normal thing people do at the homes of people they barely know, let alone close friends?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  39. Dershowitz is an anti-Semite’s dream.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  40. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    The core concern in all of this should be the Israeli crimes against America. How many politicians were compromised by this Mossad operation? Why aren’t the Israelis being held responsible?

    Where’s the congressional/senate investigations?

    And who gets to keep the video evidence of these sexcapades for future use? The deep state intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA, etc?

    • Replies: @ariadna
    , @Rev. Spooner
  41. G J T says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jews do not have a monopoly on evil.

    Nope. But then again, no one ever claims they do. This is just a stupid strawman people bust out when they want to run cover for Jews to whatever extent.

    What Jews do have is many unique traits that can reasonably be classified as evil. Traits that are distinctly Jewish and almost never found in other races. Traits that not only exist in most or all of them, but are actually a part of their identity, and which they embrace. While there are a few here and there that buck the trend, collectively Jews are indeed evil. Whether or not they have a “monopoly” on evil is irrelevant.

  42. Sam J. says:
    @Colin Wright

    “…Jews do not have a monopoly on evil…”

    No. Just more practice.

  43. Sam J. says:

    Maria Farmer ought to find a lawyer and sue him for character assassination. It seems clear to me that that’s what this is. Is there not one lawyer in the US that could use a little money from Dershowitz’s pockets?

  44. None of this is surprising.

    I’ve been engaged in online discussion of religion and politics for more than a quarter of a century and witnessed this sort of mendacity more often than I care to enumerate. Dershowitz just happens to be a high-profile example of the prototype.

    It’s a familiar story. Ignoring the historical context, the Occupation, “they” deserve what they get because, well, they are bigoted towards Zionists for no reason whatsoever.

    Yes. “Anti-Semitism” must be conjured out of thin air because, well, Jews never act offensively or belligerently. Palestinians were simply supposed to lay down and let the Jews walk all over them.

    Same old shtick, different day.

  45. I couldn’t have a lower opinion of Mr. Dershowitz but I would defend the devil himself against these slanderous, lying whores…. I wish him all the best in his struggle against this angry female “me too” tyranny.

    • Troll: G J T
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
    , @anon
    , @Alden
  46. Loula says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Forget Dershowitz.

    Biden
    Com’la
    for president

    Unless you prefer ……

    Biden
    MILF
    for president

  47. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    If you’ve worked with and for NY Jews on Wall Street, what Maria Farmer has to say about them is mild and tempered, probably by her female inclination to see the best in the worst of people. My wife and I went to a party in our building in the City where we were the only non-Jews. Our hosts were delightful people but a group had just returned from Israel from volunteering during the ’73 war and, after finding out I’d been in Vietnam in combat, started talking in that we/you condescension Maria talks about, going so far as to say “we Jews don’t need your military, we just want your money.” This seething hatred was from the sort of New Yorkers Maria dealt with every day.

    I could relate a hundred stories of straightforward Jewish hatred working on Wall Street, and in fact, a fellow working for Jim Cramer and a Jew himself did just that, proving that Jewish hedge fund genius is actually criminal collusion and conspiracy from start to finish. The Jewish anchor at MSNBC, for example, as well as top Jewish analysts at the big houses, would call Cramer to tip him off to market-moving stories and analysis. Their power is immense and it’s worthwhile recalling General George S. Patton’s diary reflections on who these people really are and what their longterm objectives are going back 65 years, which are summarized in an article available on rense.

    It’s also worth pointing out that Fox News, which gives “Dersh” an open disinfo platform, probably for deflecting attention from Wexner as the “head of the snake” in America, is largely responsible for covering up Israel and its fifth column’s commission of 9-11. Nothing will come of that, of course, considering Richard Perle’s retort to a question about Jewish power that they control the re-election chances of all but maybe 5 out of 535 members of Congress, while the President’s chief advisor openly represents the Chabad Lubavitcher crime syndicate, passing itself off as some sort of self-worshiping religion.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Thanks: mark green
  48. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Make that CNBC, not MSNBC.

  49. Dershowitz is a typical arrogant zionist, who like all of his kind feels that he is superior to we goyim who the zionists view as cattle, insects, etc., and is above the law in the ZUSS, which he and his ilk rule and have for over 100 years.

    Read the Protocols of Zion and The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, to see who and what the zionists are.

  50. @Jaroslav Hašek

    The girls were MINORS at the time the activity occurred, THEREFORE they could not have been “whores”.

  51. Moi says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Are Dersh and Woody Allen related? Just asking 🙂

  52. ariadna says:
    @Anonymous

    Excellent point. Lamentably the salacious aspects of it misdirect attention.

  53. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    >”the attitudes of Jewish and Palestinian victims of Palestinian and Israeli terrorism”

    As if they’re equal!

    Was the Wehrmacht’s violence against Juden in Warsaw equal in quantity or morality to that of the violence Juden ZOB inflicted on Stroop’s Heer troops during the 1943 intifada?

    Is the violence that the IDF (Israeli Donkey Fellators) inflicts on Palestinians equal to the response of Hamas defending Arabs against a nuclear-armed state backed by Uncle Sucker?

    Odd, too, how the Tribe never asks why descendants of helots never demand reparations from Sparta. Or if there are more Holodomor museums than Holycausty ones since 10,000,000 Ukrainians perished in the former shoah.

    Dershowitz pretends to hate vile aspersions being cast while himself freely tossing antisemitic grenades at anyone daring to call HIM to account. So…is it now also antiteutonic to note the crimes of the Aryan State, too?

    Funny how alike Adolf, Inc. and Bibi Enterprises are.

    • Agree: acementhead
  54. @jsigur

    Seems so. But. I was blind as Charlie for a long time.

    Have you ever read anything by Dave McGowan? He understood the subversive nature and falseness of the sixties counterculture.

  55. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hubert

    Well, it’s not plausible when one looks at the sources, is it?

    This is a very common Jewish mistake. They’re not very bright but believe that the goyim are much dumber so they end up spewing transparent, almost childish, lies. In this particular case, a goy can simply look at the source and find out that the toad is a bold-faced liar.

    It’s hard to believe that someone like this can be considered a “legal scholar” but then again we live in the Western Clown World in which (((sub-mediocrities))) like this are calling the shots.

    Luckily, this situation can’t, and won’t, last and this time we’ll have to expel them much, much farther than usual. I’ll chip in for the fuel.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  56. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    > “Anti-Semitism is the problem of bigots…Nothing we do can profoundly affect the twisted mind of the anti-Semite.”

    First, Dersh continues to ignore that Palestinians are Semites, too.

    Second, Alan’s own twisted view is that there are never-ever-EVAK flies on Juden.

    Third, he insists that while he and his buddies were tossed out of 109 bars, the problem always was…the pubs!

    >”Dershowitz…argues that the dispossession of the Palestinians was deserved because of their support for Hitler during World War II”

    Right. ‘Cuz Zionazi AshkeNAZIS never worked with Reich Nazis themselves:

    https://tinyurl.com/gmvhbcm

  57. @Rich

    The most important point missed by everyone is that Dershowitz has stated, unsolicited and on the record, that he received a “massage” at Jeffrey Epstein’s residence. Everything unravels for him from there. A mistake no lawyer should have made.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  58. I do not get why anyone on Earth cares about Epstein, Maxwell, and Dersh. The “charges” are spurious and over 2 decades old. This is garden variety escort work and I’m pretty sure Maxwell will walk. I don’t care who Dersh had sex with and either should you or anyone.

  59. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Excellent post.

  60. Trinity says:

    So telling the truth about the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF JEWS is bigoted? Hmm. Did not a certain (((group of people))) start proclaiming we have “White Privilege” in America when CLEARLY WHITES ARE THE LEAST PRIVILEGED GROUP IN AMERICA?

    For the MOST part, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF JEWS are indeed racist, always work for Jewish interest ONLY, have no loyalty to the nation they reside in with the exception of Israel, and they RIDICULOUSLY think that they are better than the Gentiles. Even IF one were to believe the Holy Bible, God Almighty broke his covenant with the Jews and Jesus died on the Cross so that all men who accept the Son of God are now the NEW CHOSEN. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SON TO GET TO THE FATHER. Of course, this is my belief, just like the Jews have their belief, the Muslims and Hindus have their belief. The difference with me and some FANATICAL JEW OR MUSLIM is that I would rather be tolerant of others and live and let live. You believe in what you want and I will do the same. Jews believing they are above all Gentiles? Talk about “bigoted” and racism. That is psychotic and I am sure God Almighty doesn’t approve.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  61. Adam Carolla has a weekly podcast with ambulance chaser Mark Geragos called “Reasonable Doubt,” where the two discuss various legal issues of the day. Two weeks ago Alan Dershowitz was a guest on the show, and it was a disgrace. Dersh spent the whole time laying out his defamatory case against Farmer, exactly as depicted in this article.

    Carolla blithely let him get away with it, and I lost my respect for all three of them.

    P.S. Even without context, Farmer nails it. Sign me up.

  62. Trinity says:

    Same old SHIT. High profile Jewish person is accused of something terrible so the messenger is ACCUSED OF BEING “ANTI-SEMITIC.”

    Have we not all heard this tune before, people? Blacks do the same thing. Even other nonwhite groups have latched on to this occasionally. Jews are of course, the original DINDU NUFFINS. The Jews DINDU NUFFIN at least 109 times MINIMUM. I mentioned the Bible earlier, look at the Old Testament. I surely don’t know a lot about the Bible and next to nothing about the Old Testament, but what little I have read, the Jews WERE ALWAYS HAVING CONFLICTS WITH SOMEONE. Whether it be Egyptians, Germans, Russians, Poles, Lebanese, whether it be 100 BC or 2020 AD, Houston, we have a pathological problem.

    IF the American media wasn’t so BIGOTED, they would have ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE Epstein saga as AN ALLEGED JEWISH SEX RING. All the major players behind this operation seem to be Jewish, while the pathetic “Johns” are ALLEGEDLY white traitor trash aka princes, dignitaries and other so-called world leaders, and assorted Jewish perverts. God only knows that IF it were Russians involved, the media would have no problem labeling it a RUSSIAN UNDERAGE SEX RING.

  63. @Colin Wright

    “Jews do not have a monopoly on evil.”

    In every Gotham City, the Joker has his henchmen.

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  64. Hubert says:
    @restless94110

    But the point of the article is surely that Dersh has no right to blatantly misrepresent and smear his accusers and grant effective immunity to himself on account of being Jewish.

    • Agree: The Real World
    • Replies: @restless94110
  65. @G J T

    So you label me a troll because I have a different opinion than the rest of the Jew baiting commenters on this thread, yourself included? How courageous of you.

    • Replies: @Derer
  66. My name is Edward Manfredonia.

    I have been called an anti-Semite by Jewish individuals, who were involved in the Crazy Eddie stock fraud.

    Why?

    Well years ago I was told that the class action attorney involved in the case had let Eddie Antar and the Antar family keep a sum estimated to be $30 to $100 million.

    Who would tell me this? The relatives of Eddie Antar’s first wife, Debbie. It is confusing because Eddie Antar’s second wife was also named Debbie.

    I was also told that the class action attorney had split his fees with the Plaintiff. This proved to be true in the case

    And even worse I was told that the attorney, who represented Eddie Antar before the Securities and Exchange Commission, had allowed Eddie Antar to keep money.

    Well, the Class action attorney admitted that for 26 years he had split fees with the Plaintiff.

    This attorney, who is Jewish and grew up with the Antars, had threatened to sue an individual, who had linked him to illegal activities. The crooked attorney bragged I have discovery.

    It must be noted that Mel Weiss went to prison for splitting fees.

    Here is part of the decision in Ballan v Sirota:

    Thus, the agreement is illegal and plaintiff is foreclosed from seeking the assistance of the courts in enforcing it * * *.” (Bonilla v. Rotter, 36 A.D.3d 534, 535; see Prins v. Itkowitz & Gottlieb, 279 A.D.2d 274; Matter of Ungar v. Matarazzo Blumberg & Assocs., 260 A.D.2d 485; Van Bergh v. Simons, 286 F.2d 325.) It does not matter that the plaintiffs are not attorneys. (See, Bonilla v Rotter, supra; Prins v. Itkowitz & Gottlieb, P.C., supra; Matter of Ungar v. Matarazzo Blumberg & Assocs., supra.) Finally, the plaintiffs have not sought to reargue the dismissal of their claims founded on, inter alia, tort, and those claims are deemed abandoned. In any event, the complaint otherwise fails to state a cause of action (see, e.g, Merin v Precinct Developers LLC, 74 A.D.3d 688), and “[i]t is a well-established principle that a simple breach of contract is not to be considered a tort unless a legal duty independent of the contract itself has been violated * * *.” (Clark-Fitzpatrick, Inc. v Long Island R.R. Co., 70 N.Y.2d 382, 389; Heffez v L & G General Const., Inc., 56 A.D.3d 526.)

    Lawyers lie and commit perjury everyday so do not be surprised.

    As for Jeffrey Epstein, the fix was in. Some individuals wanted the case ended on terms beneficial to Jeffrey Epstein. The outcome of the case had nothing to do with the legal abilities of Dershowitz. The fix was in.

    Thank you.

    Edward Manfredonia

    • Agree: Alden, Arcturus
  67. Here is the entire relevant part of the decision in Ballan v Sirota.

    In the case at bar, the parties entered into a contract which was criminal in nature, and no exception to the general rule against enforcing illegal contracts or allowing recovery on an equitable theory applies. Section 491 of the Judiciary Law prohibits fee-splitting with non-attorneys, and goes on to provide: “2. Any person violating any of the provisions of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.” (See, In re D’Emic, 111 A.D.3d 158.) “The agreement alleged by the plaintiff is one between a non-lawyer and attorneys to split legal fees which is proscribed by Judiciary Law § 491.
    Thus, the agreement is illegal and plaintiff is foreclosed from seeking the assistance of the courts in enforcing it * * *.” (Bonilla v. Rotter, 36 A.D.3d 534, 535; see Prins v. Itkowitz & Gottlieb, 279 A.D.2d 274; Matter of Ungar v. Matarazzo Blumberg & Assocs., 260 A.D.2d 485; Van Bergh v. Simons, 286 F.2d 325.) It does not matter that the plaintiffs are not attorneys. (See, Bonilla v Rotter, supra; Prins v. Itkowitz & Gottlieb, P.C., supra; Matter of Ungar v. Matarazzo Blumberg & Assocs., supra.) Finally, the plaintiffs have not sought to reargue the dismissal of their claims founded on, inter alia, tort, and those claims are deemed abandoned. In any event, the complaint otherwise fails to state a cause of action (see, e.g, Merin v Precinct Developers LLC, 74 A.D.3d 688), and “[i]t is a well-established principle that a simple breach of contract is not to be considered a tort unless a legal duty independent of the contract itself has been violated * * *.” (Clark-Fitzpatrick, Inc. v Long Island R.R. Co., 70 N.Y.2d 382, 389; Heffez v L & G General Const., Inc., 56 A.D.3d 526.)

  68. @restless94110

    MINORS, by definition, cannot engage in “escort work”. The only position you have left is to try to insist, like “Sean”, that the girls were not minors, and that will get you nowhere at warp speed.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  69. @G J T

    ‘Nope. But then again, no one ever claims they do. This is just a stupid strawman people bust out when they want to run cover for Jews to whatever extent…’

    Well, there are several beliefs common among antisemites that I disagree with.

    To judge by the rest of your post, you demonize Jews, which is not an attitude I share. That’ll just have to lie for the time being. However, there’s another tendency that you may agree is unjustified.

    Not only are Jews demonized, but everyone else, by implication, becomes virtuous. Sheldon Adelson is indeed a vile troglodyte — but does it follow that Samuel Walton was therefore good and good for America?

    The point is that some antisemites tend to replace all the ambiguity reality actually has with a Manichaean fantasy in which all evil is attributed to Jews and all gentiles are assumed to be at least well-intentioned, even if deluded. I have noticed this in several posts, if not yours.

    I suppose someone else if not you will abuse me for this post. I’ll note that this gets tedious: the most extreme possible view is not always the correct one. Sometimes the truth really does lie somewhere in the middle. If I don’t see Jews as snowy-white lambs of virtue, neither do I see them as a monolithic army of Satan, constantly and consciously working to make the rest of us as miserable as possible.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
    , @Alden
    , @ivan
    , @sarz
  70. @Bombercommand

    The age of consent in Britain and well over half of U.S. states is 16 years old… so clearly this is not such a big deal as white knights like yourself make it out to be.
    Awaiting hard evidence that ANY of these gold diggers were under the age of 16 at the time of their alleged mistreatment. That’s for a court to decide, not the Jew baiting commenters on this thread, yourself included.

  71. Ivan says:

    Dershowitz’s selective and slanted reading of what Ms Farmer said is of the same type of of lies that are spread by many latter day Jewish savants. It is the main reason why for the past decade or so I would check if the authour is Jewish when reading an article. I did not find the earlier generations of Jews to be greater liars than anyone else. But this breed of post Holocaust Jews lie as effortlessly as they breathe.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  72. @Anonymous

    Thanks for an inside view.

    BTW, they have succeeded in de-platforming The Occidental Observer. https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1293363127162007552. “The TOO website is down because Sucuri says we violated their terms of service. They provide services to secure websites against hacking, etc. First it was PayPal, then credit card processors, now this. It will take a while to get it back up and running.”

    Freedom of thought and speech are essentially a dead letter in academia. The next target is the internet.

    Soon the Dershowitz’s of the world will be in total control unless something drastic is done.

  73. @Joe Incognito

    Dershowitz is an anti-Semite’s dream.

    Dershowitz as a shameless advocate of Israel is nothing unique among today’s Jews, most of whom are zionists. We have more Dershowitz types running interference for Israel online than you can shake a thumb drive at.

    Thankfully, their influence is quite marginal here, where they’ve been reduced to transparently dishonest hasbara, clichéd ad hominem, and/or infantile sockpuppetry.

    It would be in the best interest of Jews to be less like Alan Dershowitz, of course. Whether or not they’ll realize this before it’s too late is a live question.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Joe Incognito
  74. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Of course, everyone knows that apparently ONLY the German people are collectively of anything their nation did historically, because they aren’t individuals at all according to the relentless propaganda put out by the “winning side”…..Everyone else in the world, can’t be held accountable for what their nations did historically, because they are individuals and can’t be held responsible for their nations evils….etc.,

  75. @restless94110

    I do not get why anyone on Earth cares about Epstein, Maxwell, and Dersh. The “charges” are spurious and over 2 decades old. This is garden variety escort work and I’m pretty sure Maxwell will walk. I don’t care who Dersh had sex with and either should you or anyone.

    It’s too bad the Agree/Disagree Box Menu doesn’t include entries for Hasbara and Idiot. I think that both probably apply here.

    Providing underage girls to prominent and powerful figures and recording the results for future blackmail is an ongoing criminal enterprise and is definitely not “garden variety escort work”.

    This thing stinks of Mossad involvement, particularly the Maxwell family’s involvement.

  76. Hubert says:
    @Jaroslav Hašek

    The article doesn’t take a position on these matters – it merely points out that Alan Dershowitz lied about and smeared Farmer and that he has a demonstrable history of accusing people who simply disagree with him (Jewish and non-Jewish) of anti-Semitism. It is surely right to point out that he or anyone else has not right to do this. If the girls are lying let a court decide – but Dershowitz telling lies won’t help anyone.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  77. @Ivan

    ‘Dershowitz’s selective and slanted reading of what Ms Farmer said is of the same type of of lies that are spread by many latter day Jewish savants. It is the main reason why for the past decade or so I would check if the authour is Jewish when reading an article. I did not find the earlier generations of Jews to be greater liars than anyone else. But this breed of post Holocaust Jews lie as effortlessly as they breathe.’

    A rather unpleasant hypothesis here would be that as the earlier generations of Jews entered the more rarefied heights of Anglo-Saxon intellectual life they at first wrote in accord with the standards of intellectual integrity that obtained back in the day — such as they were.

    With the passage of time, they realized they could get away with simply lying, and started to do it.

    …thus corrupting the world for all of us.

    Whether there is any actual merit to this I genuinely don’t know. It’s just a possibility.

    • Replies: @ivan
  78. Trinity says:

    Lest we forget, this pervert has appeared on Tucker Carlson show numerous times and is The Donald’s pal. I WILL ADMIT that I am voting for the Orange Man out of fear but do I really have a choice. Donald or anti-White Joe? Not much of a choice. In a just world, this clown would more than likely be convicted because he stinks to high heaven, but more than likely this clown will slither away unscathed.

    Btw, glad that this story is being highlighted HERE, because the (((MSM))) has all but buried the Ghislane Maxwell story. Oddly that story is never talked about. Saw a recent show on one accused murderer, Robert (((Durst))) the other night on the television. First time I had heard about this case. Seems this psycho chopped up some old guy and literally got away with murder, went out and murdered someone else and now awaits trial in April 2021. Dig this, the guy’s trial has been put off due to Covid-19. This (((Durst))) clown is some wealthy Jewish fellow. Nice to know we live in a land where Lady Justice is fair and square, right kids.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  79. @restless94110

    ‘I do not get why anyone on Earth cares about Epstein, Maxwell, and Dersh. The “charges” are spurious and over 2 decades old. This is garden variety escort work and I’m pretty sure Maxwell will walk. I don’t care who Dersh had sex with and either should you or anyone.’

    Dershowitz, shmershowitz. It is of significance when the verified clients of somebody offering something grossly illegal include a former president of the United States and a former premier of Israel.

    The evidence of moral corruption among our supposed betters aside, those people become completely at the mercy of whoever is providing the service. Whenever he — or whoever is backing him says ‘jump,’ all they can say is ‘how high?’

    Yes, we should care. For example, Hillary Clinton almost won the presidency in 2016, and had she done so, her husband would have had to influence the direction of the United States exactly as Epstein et al instructed.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  80. unit472 says:

    Maria Farmer could be the granddaughter of Adolf Eichmann but that does not make Dershowitz innocent of being a sexual pervert. Donald Trump knew there was something ‘wrong’ about Epstein after he met him a few times at social events. For Dershowitz to pal around with Epstein for years, visiting him at his residences and not notice what was going on isn’t credible. The only believable reason for Dershowitz to continue his relationship was he was enjoying Epstein’s company and the benefits that came with that.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  81. @Anonymous

    You are absolutely correct. This was a long running blackmail operation against the ruling elite of USA and Americans should fight to bring it out in the open. It’s the only way they can cleanse their system. Think of it as an opportunity, the evidence is there but hidden in FBI vault. Bring it out and expose and exterminate the termites or suffer a bigger 911.

    • Agree: Derer
  82. Is that creature truly human? Dear God….

  83. Anyone who does the back flips that Alan did over his “massage” has something to hide

  84. Trinity says:
    @unit472

    Dersh, DINDU NUFFIN. Dis is pathological anti-Semitic behavior from the goyim. Oy vey.

    Hey, lets not forget that Ron (((Jeremy))) is yet another, ahem, entertainer being “accused” of rape and/or sexual assault.

  85. @Trinity

    I am sure God Almighty doesn’t approve

    Depends on “who” or what they identify as being God. When their God is THE God, well, what you or I think doesn’t mean a damn thing.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  86. Trinity says:
    @InnerCynic

    What IF (((they))) believe they are God? lmao.

    Seriously, I often wonder IF there is in fact NO GOD. I mean, not everyone can be right, and THAT IS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE between someone LIKE ME, and a FANATICAL JEW, MUSLIM OR EVEN CHRISTIAN. I am TOLERANT OF OTHERS OPINION, whereas a LARGE SECTOR of RELIGIOUS AND NON-RELIGIOUS JEWS are BIGOTED towards others who believe different. The way evil runs the world, even Mother Teresa herself, once questioned the existence of a God. I am sure a JUST AND RIGHTEOUS God, would not approve of what is happening to Palestinians or Whites in America, my opinion of course, for what it is worth.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  87. HT says:

    He is about as likely to be charged as a Clinton, Obama, or any of the other people in our elite ruling class who are exempt from accountability.

  88. Scott Weiner, San Francisco supervisor, has just put forth a bill to decriminalize sex with young boys.
    https://www.infowars.com/san-francisco-sen-scott-wiener-introduces-bill-to-decriminalize-men-having-sex-with-boys/
    If the goyim don’t react seriously and grievously to this assault, it points out why we’re losing the culture war.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  89. @paranoid goy

    I reember when Maria’s story first came out, the bit about the restaurant, within context, made my mind go: “what the hell are they doing there they don’t want her to see?” In my experience, Jews don’t really mind eating with Goyim, provided the milleu makes it clear you “belong” to one of them.

    I wouldn´t go as far as you ‘belong’ to them, but certainly showing who is in charge.
    I have no use for Dershowitz, but he doing what lawyers do daily, and “journalists” have done for decades – misquote and or take out of context.
    People are missing is his point that evidence has become irrelevant. After watching his interview with Tucker Carlson, I becoming tired of his droning on about what a swell guy he was, but at the end, was struck by his claim that he invited the FBI to investigate him, and his claims of having recordings of her. He said Giuffre is the one blocking the unsealing of documents, because she knows her lies will be exposed, not just for him, but others as well. Those are strange things to say and do, if you are guilty.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6177182518001?playlist_id=5198073478001#sp=show-clips

  90. @Bombercommand

    Geez, you must live in a wonderful place. In my city, there is a race for gangs to have girls on the street before their second menses.

  91. cassandra says:

    Just trolling along:

    I sometimes look at political issues through the lens of Karl Popper’s principle of falsifiability. Dershowitz’ behavior in this episode, along with other cited examples, might lead one to propose the hypothesis that he is a self-serving sleazebag. This can be falsified by counter-example(s) where Dershowitz behaves in a way where his sense of integrity overrides his self-interest. Can readers here provide any?

  92. Anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Dershowitz always strikes me as an arrogant Harvard douche, even though he never even went there, just taught there; he went to Brooklyn College then Yale Law. Per his Wiki page his high school teachers hated him and told him to get a job that requires “no brains but a big mouth”. He wins cases by being an utter bully and extreme arrogance. The man does not know shame or honor if it hits him in the face. I suppose that’s what he meant by “chutzpah” — shameless dishonesty.

    Regardless of how this case turns out, his legacy is already in tatters. There is guilt by association. Everyone knows he is chums with Epstein, regardless of whether he actually slept with these women. Crying anti-Semitism just makes him look desperate, and even more of a douche.

    I wish I could say this interview is eye opening but it isn’t. Most of us who visit this website already know about this Jewish cabal that’s running the world and doing whatever they damn well please without consequences. Still, it’s nice to hear it confirmed. Maria Farmer is one brave woman, so is Virginia Giuffre. Where is the #MeToo squad to defend them? Rose McGowan? Ronan Farrow? Too afraid of Mossad?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  93. Derer says:
    @Jaroslav Hašek

    I am surprised you did not used that derogatory phrase, although it is losing effectiveness, “you are anti-semite”. The article is about accusing victims of Epstein filth being anti-semitic. It is despicable to call accusers of Epstein ring being antisemitic when the whole scam was directed by American Jews (even cover-up for years) for influence peddling for Israel annexation of West bank and Golan heights. The crimes of using under-aged girls was only side effect of the main objective to compromise influential people.

    • Replies: @The Real World
    , @Sam J.
  94. @Hubert

    The article doesn’t take a position on these matters – it merely points out that Alan Dershowitz lied about and smeared Farmer and that he has a demonstrable history of accusing people who simply disagree with him (Jewish and non-Jewish) of anti-Semitism.

    1. What Dershowitz says, is no different than what lawyers and journalists do daily – misquote and take things out of context. Trump`s “grab em by the pussy” is a prime example of that.
    2. Claiming Dershowitz lied is an opinion. Misled for sure, but lying is a stretch.
    3. At some point, all Jews under attack play the “J card”. It is no different than visible minorities screaming screaming “racism” when things are not going their way.
    The article actually does take a position, by floating the proposition that everything Maria Farmer said in the interview with Webb is true. We have no way of knowing what is and is not true.
    I have no use for Dersh O`Shits, but as the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

  95. @Frog in da Pot

    What is it about guys named Weiner?

  96. @Jaroslav Hašek

    “Age Of Consent” is irrelevant to the criminal charges. The criminal charges are Sex Trafficking Of Minors. All of these minor girls were transported across State lines for the purpose of being offered as sexual companions, hence the Federal Indictment. When you are indicted by the Federal Government you are caught in jaws of steel, their preparation is meticulous and thorough and your conviction is a certainty. You jews seem scared of something, you have resorted to calling these minor girls “whores”, “gold diggers”, “prostitutes”, “engaged in escort work”, and that defense will blow up in your face it is so repugnant to the average juror, besides the obvious fact that minors, by definition, cannot “engage in escort work”. Even “Sean”, who is brighter than the average jew troll, has given up trying to claim the minor girls were not minors, but adults, a hopelessly futile ploy. You jews seem scared of something. Jeffrey Epstein appears to have “no visible means of support”. Is it that Jeffrey Epstein made no money of his own, that it was provided to him by propertied class jews, and that therefore Epstein was not the top of the sex trafficking of minors organization? That there are unnamed jews that were the kingpins? Certainly Epstein did not purchase his Manhattan townhouse, it was given to him, and many crimes took place there, did money given to Epstein buy the jet airliner the minor girls were transported in? Was money gifted to Epstein to cover the vast sums housing, feeding, entertaining the minor girls and their “johns”, and the fees paid to the minor girls for providing the sexual services? What about Ghislaine Maxwell’s Manhattan townhouse, basically given to her by a “Rothschild”? Was money given to Maxwell to enable her the extensive free time needed to procure minor girls? Were Epstein and Maxwell de facto employees of unnamed well heeled “Megapimps”? Notice the informal group Wexner and his friends had was called “Mega”? I notice not one media outlet, MSM or “alternative” asks these questions. Les Wexner has quietly stepped into the shadows, likely he is one step above Epstein, having given Epstein the townhouse, but being so visible Wexner likely has superiors in this sordid organization. The jewish kingpins are silent, enveloped in shadow. In this sad world, the place where dreams are crushed, a house of cards with a lie written on every card, truth can only be found in the shadows and silences.

    • Thanks: ivan, Parsnipitous
  97. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Druid

    You have to work with Jews to comprehend the preternatural evil oozing from the baleful look you catch now and then as you’re turning away, or the hideous evil lurking behind that signature Jewish shit-eating grin that’s always on Dershowitz’s face. They’re paranoid in the extreme, and those darting eyes as they size you up are looking for signs you recognize how much they hate you, or worse, that you’re on to them. I worked with and for them in NYC, and as a native New Yorker, for the life of me I cannot understand what sort of groveling whore like the talking heads on Fox News let an evil little bastard like Dershowitz, who’s too clever by half as this article proves and not half as smart as he thinks he is, get away with lying through his teeth with all that double talk. The fact is that more than the Twin Towers and the Trade Center’s Buildings 6 and 7 were incinerated by Israel and American Jewry on 9-11, all set in motion going back to their execution of JFK and his brother, assassination of 34 sailors and the wounding of 171 more on board the USS Liberty, and so on. Everything else is second rate theater, beginning with Congress and the bureaucracies in DC.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  98. Miro23 says:
    @AnonStarter

    It would be in the best interest of Jews to be less like Alan Dershowitz, of course. Whether or not they’ll realize this before it’s too late is a live question.

    That’s like asking a dog not to bark. Things follow their pre-determined course, the dogs bark and day turns to night and night turns to day. The present stage of US Judaization is different from its stage on 1968 and a whole confluence of trends (not just J’s) are building towards the historic collapse of the USA. IMO it’s too late now to try and change anything – although there’s still time to get out of the way.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  99. Hubert says:
    @Curmudgeon

    1. A basic rule of journalistic ethics is to ensure that what you put in quotation marks is what was actually said by the person (especially easy in this case as it’s recorded and publicly available). That journalists and lawyers show scant regard for truth on a regular basis is surely no defence. Moreover, Dershowitz complains the loudest when he says he has been misquoted and insists that journalists and lawyers respect basic ethics in their fields.

    2. The article demonstrates that Dershowitz misled – and deliberately misleading people at least beyond a certain point is one way of lying. This is especially the case when we look at what he did by removing “For a long time”, deliberately changing the entire meaning of the quote. It is the kind of deliberate untruth that courts frequently count as a ‘lie’.

    3. Nowhere does the article assume the truth of all Farmer is saying and there are in fact some cautious phrases here and there (“alleged” more than once “whatever one makes of Farmer’s claims”)- the focus is more on Dershowitz’s dishonest rendering of her words. It’s actually quite non-committal over the question of Dershowitz’s innocence or guilt, though it does note that if he can dismiss witnesses on account of their alleged vices, then it is open for others to question his reliability given his dishonesty, as shown both in the article and via many other sources.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  100. Trinity says:
    @Anon

    haha. Good point. WHERE IS THE #MeToo Squad?????????????????

    Kind of like all those “anti-racists” when we have a Christian-Newsom murder or the little 5 year old White kid shot by the Black guy the other day. All the “anti-racists” ARE HIDING. smdh and SMIRKING.

  101. @Anonymous

    ‘You have to work with Jews to comprehend the preternatural evil oozing from the baleful look you catch now and then as you’re turning away, or the hideous evil lurking behind that signature Jewish shit-eating grin that’s always on Dershowitz’s face. They’re paranoid in the extreme…’

    Lol. Speaking of paranoia…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  102. @Bombercommand

    ‘… When you are indicted by the Federal Government you are caught in jaws of steel, their preparation is meticulous and thorough and your conviction is a certainty…’

    Uh huh. There may yet prove to be exceptions.

  103. @Bombercommand

    ‘The most important point missed by everyone is that Dershowitz has stated, unsolicited and on the record, that he received a “massage” at Jeffrey Epstein’s residence. Everything unravels for him from there. A mistake no lawyer should have made.’

    He’s probably aware that at least one likely witness can testify that she saw him go into a room with fifteen year-old x. It’s perhaps less likely that anyone can actually testify they saw him engaging in sex with her.

    It’s not illegal to get a massage. Admitting it won’t be good for his reputation — but it won’t get him put in the slammer, either.

  104. @Miro23

    That’s like asking a dog not to bark.

    For a large number of them, this would seem to be the case, but it isn’t a foregone conclusion for every one.

    Racial predetermination is a religious article for them. Because so many of them hold fast to it, it will prove the millstone necklace that takes them under.

  105. Alden says:
    @Bombercommand

    Thanks. It’s amazing to me that some commenters still defend Epstein and Maxwell. And refuse to acknowledge the age of consent, the 1910 interstate trafficking for the purpose of prostitution, and numerous other laws that Epstein and Maxwell violated for at least 25 years.

    These are the same commenters who rage against short skirts, tattoos, abortion, , even birth control, movies, catholic priests who molested teen boys; but rant and rave that there’s nothing wrong with sex with 13-17 year old girls.

    Something very sick about these commenters. They must belong to a version of NAMBLA for creepy old perverts who want girls instead of boys.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @The Real World
  106. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    If the 15 year old testified that he exposed his penis, balls or buttocks or made her touch it or touched her on the breasts groin vagina buttocks and upper thighs or had oral anal or vaginal sex, he would be convicted and imprisoned for violating the age of consent laws and the soliciting prostitution of minors, another felony.

    You really don’t think the laws apply to your enjoyment of perverted sex acts with minor girls do you? Sick mofa Don’t your porn sites have chat rooms or something where you creepy old perverts can get together?

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
  107. Trinity says:

    Are all the VICTIMS of this PEDOPHILE SEX RING, White, female and Gentile? I wouldn’t doubt that one of these fruits, nuts or flakes had an underage boy as well. Were there any Jewish girls? Any Black girls? Any Hispanic girls? IF all the victims were White female Gentiles, could not this be prosecuted as a HATE CRIME. I am sure if a bunch of Russians had a honey pot that featured underage Jewish girl, the crime would very well be prosecuted as a “hate crime.” Another thing that bothers me. I truly wonder IF any of these girls might have been murdered. You always see these missing children and God only knows what happens to them. Prayers go out to the victims and hope that someone with enough balls will prosecute all those who abused these LITTLE GIRLS. Considering who is in charge right now, I am not holding my breath though.

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
    • Replies: @Alden
  108. @Alden

    You really don’t think the laws apply to your enjoyment of perverted sex acts with minor girls do you? Sick mofa Don’t your porn sites have chat rooms or something where you creepy old perverts can get together?

    Colin Wright is a sick Zionist, a wolf disguised in sheep clothing!

    President Trump is a man of his word, and he is draining the swamp for sure. God bless him and God bless USA.

    Amen,

    Mohamed

  109. @Alden

    ‘f the 15 year old testified that he exposed his penis, balls or buttocks or made her touch it or touched her on the breasts groin vagina buttocks and upper thighs or had oral anal or vaginal sex, he would be convicted and imprisoned for violating the age of consent laws and the soliciting prostitution of minors, another felony.

    You really don’t think the laws apply to your enjoyment of perverted sex acts with minor girls do you? Sick mofa Don’t your porn sites have chat rooms or something where you creepy old perverts can get together?’

    I’m having a hard time figuring out how you got that from what I posted.

    Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote rather than what you appear to have assumed I wrote.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  110. Skeptikal says:

    Dersh clerked for and was mentored by Judge David Bazelon, the ueber-corrupt judge who as the head of the OAP (oversaw the wholesale theft of the property of the Nisei in California after WW2. Houses, buseinesses, land, farms, everything. Pennies on the dollar or outright stolen. (Also a lot of German businesses and thousands of patents that had nothing to do with WW2 or the Nazis. )

    “In 1947, Assistant Attorney General David L. Bazelon took over as head of the Office of Alien Property Custodian.[23][24] He remained in this post until he received a recess appointment from President Harry S. Truman on October 21, 1949, to a new seat on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.[25] ”

    Bazelon was the head of the OAP. He arranged things so that the Chicago mob (Jewish and Italian combo–all tight with Capone; virtually all of the Jewish mob originated in small area of the Russian Pale of Settlement, near Kiev) was able to take over the California economy and politics, starting with Nisei real estate, on to Hollywood, then to taking over large tracts of land, mainly from the Nisei, and developing it with homes, opening their own banks, on to taking over the Dem Party, putting Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan in positions of power (Reagan later switched parties).

    Lots of corruption hanky-panky when Truman came to town, esp. when it came to Israel.
    Then Bazelon is off to assume the most powerful judgship in the USA, the DC Circuit.

    You can read about Bazelon and his racketeering antics—paradigm of how to transform from mob to legit—in Gus Russo’s great book Supermob, which I am just reading.

    I’ll repeat that: Gus Russo, Supermob. Tons of documentation. Except of course when FBI and other investigations were buried, or otherwise derailed. And all of the documents of many investigations in the Library of Congress and elsewhere strangely disappeared . . .

    Unbe-effng-lievable, what these people did, the depth and breadth of the criminality and corruption. Abe Pritzker very deep into the same shite. Pritzker family pushed Obama forward and upward.

    So this Bazelon mentored DERSHOWITZ.

    This is the guy who showed Dersh the ropes.

    Hard to know which one is more disgusting. Both of them were hard-core Zionists. As were most of the Chicago mobsters, those who took over California and those who stayed in Chicago.

    ‘Scuse me while I upchuck.

    • Replies: @ivan
  111. Skeptikal says:
    @Bombercommand

    “The jewish kingpins a”

    Kosher Nostra, Tribe, Chosenites—they are bonded and controlled by Omerta.

    No one will speak out of turn.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  112. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    No, Moshe, it’s your knee-jerk, paranoid tu quoque in commenting on my straightforward observation any New Yorker will back up that’s as predictable as it’s laughable.

  113. Art says:

    Natural Hate.

    It is not a crime to hate. Sometimes, it is necessary. Hate is a natural feeling – it is part of our natural biological emotional makeup. Hate is needed to get us to take a defensive action against the powerful. Mature people do not physically or verbally attack people without cause. They need to build up their nerve to fight back against someone powerful that is abusing them. We label this emotional process as hate.

    The above describes the situation that Maria Farmer was in. The Jews she was surrounded by, had power over her – and they were all those bad things that she described. Her Jews were tribal bullies, arrogant supremacists, mean, and sexually deviant. They gave her natural reason to hate them. If she did not hate them, there would be something wrong with her.

    Hate naturally falls on the Jews, generation after generation, century after century, millennia after millennia – because of their anti-social tribal culture. End of story!

    • Agree: Trinity
  114. DaveE says:
    @Colin Wright

    It would be good to see Dershowitz go to prison before he dies of old age.

    If that “prison” happens to be in a place called Hell, I would agree. But far as “old age” goes, I don’t think “eternity” differentiates between old and young.

    Hopefully he’ll just WISH he would/could die.

  115. @Derer

    EXACTLY!

    I edit slightly, for clarity: “The crimes of using under-aged girls was only the mechanism used for the main objective to compromise influential people and force them to do the blackmailers bidding.”

    That is the primary point of the underage trafficking and exploitation. However, most Americans have no awareness of that yet. We’ll see if that gets exposed.

    (Separately, there was, supposedly, an adrenochrome-harvesting aspect to the activities on Little St James Island [and probably elsewhere. New Mexico seems a good location for that – using trafficked kids from Mexico}.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  116. iffen says:

    Well, you can just look at that face and know that he would think that bonking teenage girls would be abhorrent.

  117. Alan doesn’t care about facts and the truth. He happily provides readers with what he believes is ‘the best evidence [out of context]’ to convince a jury [you] and find Ms. Farmer ‘guilty.’

    The rest be damned.

    Time for the gods of justice to claim this serpent’s illustrious soul.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  118. Rebelkiah says:

    Well done!!
    Thank you for writing this. I believe Epstein’s victims. They have proven to be credible. That’s more than I can say for Douchewitz.

  119. Trinity says:

    Didn’t this douchebag already admit that he received a massage while only wearing his underwear? Of course, nothing wrong with stripping down to your underwear to receive a LEGIT massage if it is a grown ass lady massaging you. HOWEVER, the weird thing is when a crusty, dried up, old man strips down to his undies to be massaged by a teenage girl. Not kosher at all, Shlomo. This weirdo admitting he stripped down to his undies to receive a massage from a GIRL is enough to discredit him IF we lived in a healthy and sane environment. At the very least, this clown should not be appearing on Fox News or anywhere else UNTIL HE CLEARS HIS NAME. I will still say innocent until proven guilty, but this guy looks guilty as hell. Lets hope THE TRUTH PREVAILS.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Alden
  120. >Now that Jeffrey Epstein is allegedly dead…

    There. Ftfy.

  121. I don’t see any good guys here. Giuffre was seventeen. That’s plenty old enough to consent (and it is legally is many parts of the world). Just what was she doing on Epstein’s Island in the first place? I figure that she didn’t realize how degrading it really would be, hence the buyer’s remorse. The picture of her partying in the company of the rich and powerful doesn’t evoke a lot of sympathy from me.

    OTO I think Dershowitz could be lying. Certainly the whole “anti-semitism!” thing inclines me in that direction. However, his assumption of an aggressive defense is understandable. If he’s convicted of this type of crime it will destroy him. If he is lying, then perhaps he feels that he must use any tactic at his disposal to avoid a ferocious punishment completely out of proportion to the crime.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Alden
  122. @Trinity

    ‘Didn’t this douchebag already admit that he received a massage while only wearing his underwear? Of course, nothing wrong with stripping down to your underwear to receive a LEGIT massage if it is a grown ass lady massaging you. HOWEVER, the weird thing is when a crusty, dried up, old man strips down to his undies to be massaged by a teenage girl. Not kosher at all, Shlomo…’

    Not kosher, no. But it’s not actually a crime.

    That would be why he’s admitting to it. He’s admitting to what he knows people can testify they saw. That reduces the case to ‘can you prove I actually had sex?’

    If anyone does say they actually saw him have sex with an actual minor, he’ll simply deny it; it’ll be his word against theirs. But he will have already set aside the supporting testimony — to at least some extent. He’s playing his hand as best he can.

    Apparently, he’s in serious trouble, as otherwise, he wouldn’t admit to what he has.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  123. neutral says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jews do not have a monopoly on evil

    Nobody comes close to what the jews have done.

  124. @The Real World

    ‘…We’ll see if that gets exposed…’

    Wake me up if it does. That’s the aspect that’s been assiduously concealed from the start.

  125. Sam J. says:
    @Colin Wright

    “…Not only are Jews demonized, but everyone else, by implication, becomes virtuous. Sheldon Adelson is indeed a vile troglodyte — but does it follow that Samuel Walton was therefore good and good for America?…”

    Another stupid Jew trick. What another does has nothing to do what one does. The Jews behavior is evil no matter what anyone else does. Genghis Khan was evil but so was Lenin. Just because Genghis Kan was evil doesn’t make Lenin or any other Jew, less evil.

    Another part of this stupid Jew trick it to try and point away from Dirtawitz by comparing people that have noting at all to do with the point at hand.

  126. @Trinity

    Was God the first social construct?

  127. Sam J. says:
    @Derer

    “… It is despicable to call accusers of Epstein ring being antisemitic…”

    What this conclusively proves is that the anti-Semites are right. In most all cases, probably 99.9%, when an anti-Semite says something about the Jews, he’s right.

  128. Iva says:

    Haha,ha……….the more he talks the more guilty he looks. MF is not ant-…… when you read whole text.

  129. Hey, Alan said he kept his underwear on….LOL

  130. Trinity says:
    @Colin Wright

    Point taken. No wonder I am confined to the cheap seats, I just don’t think like these scumbags. Is it any wonder how the bad guys are always one step ahead of the good guys. Decent people just don’t think like these creeps. They are like cockroaches.

    While not a crime, I still say this guy’s name should be mud. But then again, we live in a world where Al Sharpton can have his own television show.

  131. ariadna says:
    @Anonymous

    “It’s hard to believe that someone like this can be considered a “legal scholar” but then again we live in the Western Clown World in which (((sub-mediocrities))) like this are calling the shots.”

    I’ll see your Dersh the “legal scholar” in the US and raise you a Bernard-Henri Levy as “preeminent philosopher” in the land once of Voltaire and Diderot et co.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Petermx
  132. @Colin Wright

    My point is Dersh has, by flapping his mouth, opened himself to a conviction for perjury. He has made the mistake of speaking an obviously phony story. He may receive a subpoena in the Maxwell case. He must stick to his phony story, and in the expectation of further questions, bring his phony chronology of events he has foolishly stated he has put together. The prosecutor will pick his story apart and force Dersh into a corner from which there is no escape.

  133. Listening to Douchevitz is like listening to the class weakling after begging to get his sneakers back. He’s a condescending arse, one who needs a really solid punch to his grill. It was the jews who backed Hitler, until he took over Germany’s banks. That’s the only mistake he made. Never touch their precious money.
    Here’s something you may not know: both Winston Churchill and Dwight Eisenhower were in debt to Bernard Baruch. Which may account for their similar attitude towards Germans.

    Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September 1944 wrote: “God, I hate the Germans…”
    (General George Patton, letter to his wife, August 27, 1945) Interestingly, both Eisenhower and Churchill were financed by Bernard Baruch. Ike’s attitude towards Germans mirrored Churchill’s.
    52 GERARD MENUHIN · TELL THE TRUTH & SHAME THE DEVIL

  134. anon[799] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaroslav Hašek

    No you have a pretty good soft spot for Dersh . You are hiding that side by calling these women whores . By wishing “all the best “you are proving that you are very concerned about any effort to expose the Jewish business in the sexual slavery.

    Its Derhso talk .

  135. @Skeptikal

    Of course they won’t speak, but the money will speak for them. Epstein did not work, yet spent vast sums on an absurdly extravagant lifestyle. On top of that the spending on ridiculous residences. The propertied class, despite what the peasantry thinks, do not spend like Epstein, if they did they would go broke. Wexner claims Epstein embezzled millions from him, a claim that will not survive forensic accounting, and anyway it is not enough to support Epstein’s lifestyle. This flood of money had to have multiple sources, perhaps dozens of sources, and these sources are real people alive in the world. As their money enabled Epstein’s sex trafficking in minors operation, they are as guilty as Epstein and Maxwell.

  136. Petermx says:

    It’s worth listening to the interview. When Maria talked to the FBI they told her to get lost in the most unfriendly way, they wanted nothing to do with her. If there is a better reason than they would be scared out of their wits of being called anti-Semitic themselves for taking on her case, even if they wanted to go after the rapists, I’d like to know what it is.

    Maria is naive about certain things and this could be used against her in court. But in other ways she is very insightful when she speaks of there being Jewish supremacism but no hint of white supremacism. Try to imagine the media coverage if a group of powerful whites (I’m not talking about a small group of people that nobody heard of before – e.g., “Aryan Nations”) that were caught talking like the Jews around Maria were talking. What if Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other powerful whites talked about whites the way these Jewish, sex criminal billionaires, with connections to the most powerful people in the world talk? I can’t even imagine the media coverage. That demonstrates clear Jewish supremacy, exactly as Maria says. The “NAZIS” didn’t talk like these Jews, as a matter of fact, they didn’t talk like that at all. They had a war to fight and fighting for survival and didn’t have the time on their hands that these Jewish sex criminals have.

    But the evidence of a total lack of a unified group of American whites with racial pride is overwhelming. If American whites had even a tiny iota of pride they would not have allowed the USA’s immigration policy to be changed in 1965 to welcoming in people from all over the world, regardless of race, from what it had been, overwhelmingly in favor of European immigration. The result transformed the USA from being an ethnic European country to being a multi-racial country that is now on the verge of collapse. That is no exaggeration.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @sarz
  137. @Colin Wright

    It’s perhaps less likely that anyone can actually testify they saw him engaging in sex with her.

    Ya well, somebody has the video tapes! Unless Epstein gave him a pass, because he did legal work for him, and turned them off.

    No doubt, there were cameras at the entrance also. Video from those could help prove how many times Dersh went there, if it ever came to that. (It won’t…..he’s too protected.)

    P.S. We all KNOW what kind of “massage” he got…..from a kid. Probably on many occasions…..creep.

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
  138. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    Some of the girls were Hispanic.

    I was a probation officer remember. Prostitutes are murdered by their pimps. Most of the time it’s black pimps murdering their women and girls. Because the black pimps demand all the money be given to the pimp, no split, pimp gets it all. The black pimps usually require the women to live together, not in their own homes. The pimp pays the rent food clothes drugs drink incidentals. The girls rebel against the harsh regime and are often tortured and killed.

    Hispanic pimps tend to keep the women in brothels. Or drive them around in vans. Asians run massage businesses the women live in the premises.

    Whites tend to run the escort agencies. The women are treated well except for the money. Since most of the payments are by credit card when the appointment is made, the women don’t have access to cash. So the agencies often cheat the women. And men as well.

    Epstein Maxwell may or may not have murdered some one. The usual reason prostitutes are murdered is the prostitute wants her share of the money she earned.

    • Replies: @sarz
  139. @Alden

    Alden – Many would shudder to realize that a huge percentage of males WOULD have sex with a teenage girl if they felt assured they’d never get busted for it.

    I knew a guy a few years back; a retired corporate lawyer who was divorced. After having a couple of drinks, he’d often state how much he’s dying to have sex. Finally, I said to him one time, “You know, there are people you can hire for that if you want it so bad.”

    His reply astonished me! He said, “Gee, if I’m going to go that far, I’d want her to be really young.” I asked what he meant by that, he sheepishly chuckled and said, “Well, college-age, maybe 18 or 19.” (Frankly, he may have only said that age range b/c he knows any lower would make him appear a pervert.) So, he wants to fvck his granddaughter, essentially.

    Jayzus! This was a 72 yr old, silver-haired, Southern gentleman type. The mental picture of that sexual combo almost made me hurl. After I quietly collected myself, I said to him, “It’s a good thing you said that to ME. Because I won’t repeat it but, I strongly advise you to not disclose that preference to anyone else”.

    Smh…….!!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  140. @Hubert

    Good analysis of Dershowitz’s methods. He relies on people not looking up sources and giving himself plausible deniability.

    It’s pilpul – or, to give it a more mundane name, bullshit (albeit in the very specific sense used by Harry Frankfurter in “On Bullshit“).

    Dershowitz is a professional bullshitter – nothing more. The fact that this enables him to grift a decent living is not unusual – Western society has been prey to two classes of grifting bullshitters for the best part of two millennia: the ecclesiasts and the secular ruling caste.

    In modern Western society the legal fraternity has taken over the historical role of the ecclesiasts – even adopting their theatrics (whereby the proles must approach as supplicants and address the participants using highly-ritualised formal language and actions). They even aped the ecclesiastic mode of dress until relatively recently.

    And of course legal doctrine is impenetrable to even the most-educated commoner, and only the cognoscenti can properly divine the actual meaning of words on a page, let alone navigate the ridiculous rituals without a guide from the Guild.

  141. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Nuking refers to a nuclear explosion, The Lebanese Government says it was 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate that was stored at the port for 6 years. Hezbollah and the Lebanese Government both say there was no air attack.

    There is no evidence of a small planted bomb to detonate the ammonium nitrate and there was a fire before the explosion. It would only have required 1 stick of dynamite but who would have been interested.

    There is no evidence Israel had anything to do with the explosion. There is no evidence against anybody else either.

    I can easily imagine France wanted to collapse Lebanon to take back control but that’s just imagining. I can easily imagine the USA or Israel or the UK doing it for the same reason but that’s just imagining.

    If there’s a strong campaign by the Western infotainment industry to blame Hezbollah , Syria, Turkey, China, Russia or Iran etc, I’ll suspect Israel, the USA or one of its allies but suspicion is just suspicion. You need more than a vivid imagination. [email protected]

    • Agree: Miro23
  142. ivan says:
    @Colin Wright

    There are high class Jews and there are low class Jews. The good impression that people all had were formed by their encounters with the high class Jews. People such as Einstein, Hannah Arendt and even Dr Strangelove, Edward Teller. Men such as the Jewish publisher Victor Gollancz in the UK, never harboured great enmity to the Germans. They were forgiving and rational (though Einstein in his contempt for all Germans was an outlier when it came to the Germans.) But the low life types were always there; those who cared for the truth only to the extent that they can grift the goyim. It is a sad outcome for these United States, the most philo-semitic nation ever to have existed, that it is being two-timed by these types of nasty Jews, to its own detriment. The image I have is of a harmless grasshopper petrified and eaten within by parasitic fledgling wasps.

    • Replies: @Petermx
    , @Skeptikal
  143. Alden says:
    @Jaroslav Hašek

    You’re a totally ignorant moron who has no idea of the law Epstein Maxwell and their other pimp
    employees violated continually over at least 25 years.

    It’s not a me too law whipped up in the last 5 years by feminazis. It’s the law passed by a huge majority of federal senators and congress men back in 1910, 110 years ago.

    18 USC SS 2421 2422 2423 2424 2425 forbids the interstate and international transportation of women and girls across state, territorial and foreign borders for the purposes of prostitution and or any other illegal sexual activity.

    Prostitution is illegal in every state and territory except a few counties in the state of Nevada. Certain sexual activities are illegal in every state, such as sex with minors under the age of consent and or other sexual acts that are illegal.

    18 USC has been modified to include men and boys.

    The minute a ship bearing a container load of Asian girls destined for prostitution in America hits the 3 mile American waters mark, the pimps procurers crew and ship owner have violated 18 USC.

    Prostitution is illegal no matter what the age of the prostitute, 6, 10, 13, 25, 35, 65. Get that moron, prostitution is illegal. So is pimping, procuring, making appointments driving the prostitutes to the appointments keeping a brothel or massage parlor that doesn’t hire certified medical masseuse, and all phases of what’s legally termed soliciting for prostitution.

    Whether you’re a Jewish supremacist who thinks G d’s chosen have the absolute right to violate shiksa women; or just another creepy pervert who lurks around middle and high schools in the afternoon, you’re wrong to argue that prostitution, pimping or transporting prostitutes is legal in this country.

    Go back to Israel where you can rape a Slavic slave girl shiksa on the 16 days of the month your perverted G d forbids you from touching your wife. But allows you to wallow in prostitutes on the 16 days of the month your wife might be harboring a molecule of leftover menstrual blood somewhere.

    The Epstein Maxwell prostitution organization was in violation of 18 USC. And that’s the law the federal prosecutors have charged them with.

    • Thanks: Miro23
  144. Mefobills says:
    @the grand wazoo

    It was the jews who backed Hitler, until he took over Germany’s banks. That’s the only mistake he made. Never touch their precious money.

    The national socialist party was funded into existence by small donations from the German people. They collected this money by passing a plate around during the very popular rallys.

    Any Jewish money funneled into the National Socialist by international banksters, was small potatoes. Or, in the case of Schiff, he said that they didn’t even know he was a jew when he was donating. It was mostly to embarrass the Bruning government.

    Hitler made a lot of mistakes, but national socialist party taking donor money was not one of them. These donors had no influence on the subsequent injection of national purchasing power (Germany’s own money), especially with Oeffa and Mefobills starting in 1933/34.

    https://truthtopowernews.com/history/hitlers-economic-miracle-how-national-socialist-germany-abolished-interest-slavery-n3246

    The Jews and finance capital attacked because Germany STOPPED taking their ill gotten money. Germany divorced itself from finance international.

  145. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    I doubt Adelson or Walton ever violated 18 SS 2421 2422 2423 2424 2425 for at least 25 years as Epstein Maxwell and their employees did.

  146. Alden says:
    @Jaroslav Hašek

    There is a vast amount of hard evidence that the girls were under 16, 17 in New York and 18 in Florida when they were abused by Epstein Maxwell and their creepy old cronies.

    The evidence is a matter of public record, the girl’s birth certificates.

    Where do you live? I doubt you live in America where pimping procuring , prostituting and soliciting for prostitution is illegal. Maybe your primitive country doesn’t have birth certificates? Maybe prostitution of girls no matter how young is legal?

  147. ivan says:
    @Skeptikal

    Supermob aka the Jewish Mob , kissing cousin of Murder Inc. But one would be hard pressed to find a movie or another as detailed book about the Jewish Mafiya. Meanwhile let us entertain you with Bugsy Malone of the Irish Mob or daddy Vito Corleone from Sicily. And please do watch out for the KGB/Russian Mafiya or the ever present Vatican predators, conspirators since the Fall of Jerusalem.

    LOL!!! The way we were taken in by these Jews.

  148. @Jaroslav Hašek

    ‘The age of consent in Britain and well over half of U.S. states is 16 years old… so clearly this is not such a big deal as white knights like yourself make it out to be.’

    You actually have this backwards.

    Indeed, the morality of sex always has a great deal to do with a myriad of intangibles; who initiated the relationship, how they treated each other, was this a unique event or a matter of serial molestation, etc, etc. What’s physically the same act can have an almost infinite range of complexions, morally.

    In the case of Epstein, Maxwell, Dershowitz, Clinton, Ehud Barak, et al, though, all the intangibles go the wrong way. This wasn’t Dante and Beatrice. It wasn’t even Abelard and Heloise. These are powerful men who sought out vulnerable girls, used them, and tossed them aside when they’d had their fill.

    Their acts were precisely what statutory rape laws were written to prevent.

  149. Fran800 says:
    @Bombercommand

    Were they minors? Again and again we hear Epstein’s island as “pedo island”, and such statements are “He liked them the younger the better.” And “Some were as young as 15.” But most of them were older. Whether or not they were minors depends on the legal age for sec in the place where they were. Having sex with a female below that age used to be called “Statutory rape”, whether the girl was willing or not. But a real pedophile would not scorn sex with an 18 year old but seek sex with a 15 year old. Real pedophiles go after real children — starting with 12-13 year olds maybe and down from there. A real pedophile would have no interest in any of these girls. It seems this case rests on the technical definition of legal age for sex — a process crime, something like “mail fraud”. Dershowitz and the Epstein gang may be unpleasant Jews. But is the crime we are going after them for engaging in pedophiliac activity for girls in their late teens?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Alden
  150. ivan says:
    @Colin Wright

    The problem here, the only problem actually is that while other races have their fair of criminals, the Jews are special in that they expect everyone else not to think of them as criminals. This game is quite peculiar to the Jews, though some Muslims are not far behind. They will never accept that they other than lily-white. When Madoff was convicted – largely it seems because he cheated his fellow Jews – his wife claimed it was all a plot by the Gojim. When the thief Michael Milken, and let us not forget such movers and shakers as messers Kohlberg Kravits and Roberts were berated for destroying American industry and finance for the benefit of a buccaneering class that has ever since sat with its great fat arse on the United States, the accusation that their opponents were motivated by anti-semitism was never far behind.

    Finance type Jews know how to work on the weakness of the Gojim for sex, cheap loans, drugs, booze and schmaltz to enslave them. They are basically a rentier class built on addictions and sins.

  151. The Dershowitz cries out in pain as he strikes you…whoops, somebody used that already.

    Regarding Virginia Roberts, for me Dersh seemed to poke enough holes to impugn her credibility. Plus, he doesn’t seem like much of a sexual being, except for maybe getting off to scenes from “Inglourious Basterds”.

    Then comes Maria Farmer. She didn’t catch him in flagrante – probably he should have left it at that, and left her out of his defense. Instead he does his creative editing, which brings attention to her story.
    And her story is hardly one of “anti-semitism” (4 different Jewish boyfriends?), but of wanting to be included by Jews. Her complaints were not so much against their character but against their insularity in relation to her. In fact, from her story, what one learns about how certain Jews feel about the goyim is more than the average goyim has learned in a lifetime.

  152. Alden says:
    @Fran800

    Epstein&Maxwell are not charged with statutory rape. They are charged with pimping procuring enticing and soliciting both minors and girls over 18 for prostitution which is illegal. Prostitution of anyone, no matter what the age is illegal. Pimping and procuring and keeping a brothel which is what Epstein was doing in his houses in NYC, Florida and Little St James Island is illegal.

    Another moron who pretends that pimping pandering procuring and soliciting for prostitution and brothel keeping is statutory rape. Big difference.

    Ask google about the laws instead of making ignorant, moronic claims that the charges are statutory rape instead of pimping.

    You are a moronic mofa Go back to your porn sites.

  153. @Fran800

    ‘Were they minors? Again and again we hear Epstein’s island as “pedo island”, and such statements are “He liked them the younger the better.” And “Some were as young as 15.” But most of them were older…’

    And some of them were younger. Supposedly someone ‘gave’ Epstein a pair of twelve year-old twins from France.

    Epstein et al really were indefensible. I find it peculiar that some are driven to excuse their behavior. Do we actually want a world where the rich and the powerful can behave this way and get away with it?

  154. @The Real World

    ‘…Jayzus! This was a 72 yr old, silver-haired, Southern gentleman type. The mental picture of that sexual combo almost made me hurl. After I quietly collected myself, I said to him, “It’s a good thing you said that to ME. Because I won’t repeat it but, I strongly advise you to not disclose that preference to anyone else”.’

    Well, to be brutally honest, let’s look at what you’re proposing as alternatives.

    Either (1) you’re going to find your fellow 72 year olds sexually attractive when you’re 72 yourself, or (2) you’re going to have no sexual urges at all.

    Which fate were you planning on picking?

    What people do is up to them. What they want is what they want.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  155. Alden says:
    @Alan Marson

    Another moron who confuses statutory rape, age of consent and prostitution pimping procuring and running a brothel which Epstein did innall his homes.

    A moron who insisted Virginia was over the age of consent because she was 17. A moron who doesn’t even know the age of consent in Florida was and is 18.

    A moron who blathers on and can’t even check the prostitution and pimping laws and the age of consent in Florida.

    The Palm Beach Police Department discovered Virginia was 15 when she began seeing Epstein in spring summer of 1999.

    Birth certificate says DOB August 9 1983. Mar a Lago employment records state she began working there April 1999 when she was 15.

    About 3 dozen witnesses, house employees, drivers and other girls stated that Virginia began frequently Epstein’s brothel in late spring summer of 1999.

    When asked by investigators witnesses stated she began to frequent Epstein’s place “ around the time school let out”. “ early summer June”
    “ before July 4”

    Virginia turned 16 on August 9 1999. Numerous witnesses saw her coming in through the kitchen door and going upstairs to Epstein’s massage room in June and July 1999 when she was 15 years old.

    Whatever the age of the prostitute. Pimping, procuring, soliciting for prostitution and prostitution are illegal.

    But you are such a moron you haven’t grasped that although they are illegal in every state in the country.

    You really are a moron if you don’t understand the difference between age of consent illegal sex with a minor and illegal prostitution and pimping

    • Thanks: Bombercommand
    • Replies: @Alan Marson
  156. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    Being a total moron completely ignorant of the rules of evidence you made the ignorant assumption about another girl seeing a girl going into a room with Dershowitz as though that would be the only evidence.

    The actual victim would need to testify about the various illegal acts Dershowitz did to her.

    Before ignorant blathering about evidence and trials you should learn something about the rules of evidence and criminal procedure.

    Every post you make just reveals more and more ignorance about the laws and criminal procedure.

    Go back to your porn sites.

  157. @Anonymous

    Abraham Lincoln had Jewish advisors. Judah Benjamin was involved in funding the civil war. US Grant interceded on Russian Jews’ behalf due to representations by Simon Wolff who gave his son the name “Grant” in part in the 1800s. They have been behind seats of power, working on their own kind’s behalf forever. I don’t grudge them the group interest they grudge us, and always have – it is not to do with the “holocaust”. I do grudge our own traitors to our own kind, white “mosers” I suppose. To imagine the Jews don’t work on their own behalf you would have to ignore the thousands of groups, associations, foundations, orders, councils, leagues, unions etc that advance exclusively Jewish interests in the world.

    • Replies: @Semite
  158. @AnonStarter

    My comment wasn’t directed at you, Anon. I despise Dershowitz and I pray that he will be brought low. I enjoy your comments when I read the comments here, and I’m an avid reader of unz and very occasional commenter. Comment was an attempt at sarcasm.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  159. Semite says:
    @Colin Wright

    The most honorable man I ever knew was a jew. So yes the true sons of Israel, the twelve tribes are like the rest of mankind, mostly good with a 6% psychopaths mixed in.
    However, if you look at the history of these unfortunate people you will start with a place called Judea. It seems all the psychopaths from each of the 12 tribes gathered in Judea. Hence Juden or the Jew not the Israelite, big distinction. Judea is referred to as the 13th tribe sometimes. Whether they are called the 13th tribe or the Levites, the Talmudists or the Zionists, this tribe has acted throughout history as the seed of pure evil. Only such a high concentration of psychopaths can produce evil everywhere they went. One must add that the rest of the falsely named Jews, the Israelites-semites have always been their sacrificial lambs as recent as 1948 when the zionist killed a ship load of survivors of the holocaust. Unlike the 12 tribes whom intermarried and sought equitable trade relations with their neighbors, the 13th tribe considered themselves the chosen ones and refuse to deal with their neighbors except through deception and exploitation.
    The occupation of Palestian has two purposes in the Divine scheme. The first is to expose their utter cruelty when in ascendancy as is the case with Palestine; to the point where human beings around the world will wonder when the real Semites will stand up.
    The second purpose is to gather them in this part of the world from every nation. This will happen after every nation has expelled them for their constant warring, economically and socially against humaty.
    Without their ability to leech of Humanity, the tables will be turned and the true Semites will erradicate that 13th tribe to the utter disinterest ofMankind. Palestine is the Divine final solution for the Zionist psychopaths or the fake Israelits. You even the name Israel is a lie.
    If you ever wish to know the condition of Humanity always look at the condition of Jerusalem and who is causing it.

  160. Semite says:
    @Van der hum

    Have you ever considered that White “Mosers” could the those who protested and brought the Bank of England in existence?

  161. @Joe Incognito

    Thanks for the accolade and clarification, Joe.

    Take care.

  162. @Colin Wright

    Either (1) you’re going to find your fellow 72 year olds sexually attractive when you’re 72 yourself, or (2) you’re going to have no sexual urges at all.

    WTF? You have a bizarre, immature and extremely limited way of thinking. So, the choice is only someone else 72 yrs old or fvck the 18 year old granddaughters friend?

    Why stop there? Just screw the granddaughter herself. Then move on to her 15 year old sister — it’s a grand time!

    You appear to be sick, like that guy is. Stay away from minors.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  163. Trinity says:

    Well I can certainly say that my opinion of Jews has changed dramatically in my 50 plus years on planet Earth. I, like, everyone in the Western World, if not the entire World, was subjected to endless portrayals of Jews as humble, persecuted and holier than thou people in my younger days courtesy of (((Hollywood))) movies, Jewish produced documentaries, and books granted worthy of publishing by Jewish publishing companies. I was told Jews were enslaved by Egyptians, and of course the granddaddy of all stories of Jewish persecution, “the Holocaust.” Treated to skeletal Jews walking around, stories of bars of soap, shrunken heads, lampshades, etc., well the bars of soap, the lampshades and shrunken heads have all been proven to be fabricated lies, and the skeletal Jews walking around were the result of starving POW, who were starving because lack of food supplies thanks to constant Allied bombing. Btw, have you ever seen an overweight American POW in camps in Vietnam? There was an old “myth” in Europe where Jews would kill Gentile children. Ridiculous, I said back then when I read it, but now, I am not so sure. While I would need proof, I certainly don’t shrug this statement off as a ridiculous myth anymore.

    Roman Polanski, Epstein, Weinstein, Leo Frank, etc. Look at how many Jewish men were named on those #MeToo accusations. And now as mentioned, we have a porn star, Ron Jeremy accused of rape. We all know who has run Hollywood for its entire existence, and we all have heard about the casting couch. How many child stars over the years have been raped or sexually abused by these Hollywood cretins? Hell, how many adults have been raped or pressured into sex by those who run Hollywood for fear of being blackmailed, shunned from the industry, etc.? IF I recall right, the FBI made over 270 arrests during a sting on a pedophile sex ring in southern California a few years back. But how many of these arrests were of men in positions of power or authority? Do the rich and powerful ever have to pay? Roman Polanski is still celebrated in Hollywood and walks around free as a bird. My guess is Epstein is walking around in the Middle East. And my guess is Dersh will walk as well. America and the World are run by evil and very, very corrupt men and women.

  164. Petermx says:
    @ivan

    “People such as Einstein, Hannah Arendt and even Dr Strangelove, Edward Teller. Men such as the Jewish publisher Victor Gollancz in the UK, never harboured great enmity to the Germans.” Right, they only wrote to the President of the USA and encouraged him to build an atomic bomb for the specific purpose of killing hundreds of thousands or even millions of their “fellow” Germans because they liked them. It was precisely this kind of hostility towards Germans, exhibited by Jews all across Europe and the world, that meant Jews were generally (with some exceptions) considered enemies of the state by Germany and were arrested and sent to concentration camps (aka detention camps) when they became a threat.

    Whenever the war escalated or came closer to Germany, Jews were arrested because Jews were the most hostile and chose to place themselves into the center of the conflict when they could have stayed out of it to a much greater degree. In 1941 German Jews were detained and sent to camps because the war was now a full blown world war and Jews would play a central role as leaders of their beloved USSR, which they founded and dominated, making up 80 to 85% of its government according to Russian President Putin. Jews were often commissars and played a leading role as partisans, which under the rules of war could be shot immediately because they did not wear uniforms and behaved as civilians when not fighting. When the British and Americans were getting closer to Germany the French Jews were arrested and sent east. This was in 1944 because Jews were expected to join the fighting as partisans once the allies got close. The Jews were the most hostile of Germany’s enemies, did the most to make the war a world war and from all across Europe and the world strongly supported Germany’s biggest military threat, the USSR, which they played such a large role in.

    In international politics and in actual fighting Jews entered the conflict and made themselves a central player in the war. More than anyone else, they made it a world war.

  165. Trinity says:

    Someone brought up 72 year old adults and sex? Hell, I don’t know what she looks like now, but at 72, I would have gladly jumped in the sack with Raquel Welch.

    I think most NORMAL males when they are young, 15-25 years of age or so, fantasize about older females. And by older, I mean a hot 30 something to 40 something, not a granny. It is a common fantasy of males, I know I had one or two, about hooking up with an attractive teacher from school, mom’s attractive friend, etc. Of course, back when I was growing up, it was EXTREMELY RARE for female teachers to actually have sex with 14 year old male students, HOWEVER, the women have been as bad as the men for several decades . Still, whether people want to admit it or not, a 15 year old male is not traumatized by having an older woman seduce or even force herself on him. Hell, if he is NORMAL, he LOVES IT.

    I think as males grow older, they probably do the opposite and fantasize about younger WOMEN. NORMAL 40-50 men probably start fantasizing about the hot 22-26 year old in her prime, BUT NO NORMAL old fart is going to go after girls 15-17 years of age, much less 12 year olds.

  166. I find Jews to be far more monolithic than hillbillies. Hillbillies (if there is such a thing) are far less prone to being supremacists of any sort. Jews on the other hand……

    • Replies: @Trinity
  167. Alden says:
    @restless94110

    What Epstein Maxwell did was an egregious violation of a federal law passed way back in 1910 by an all male US Senate and congress. 18 USC SS. 2421, 2422,2423,2424,2425. That’s why the case is in federal court. And even if you believe prostitution should be legalized and sex with minors should be legalized neither are legal in America.

    Your perverted moronic opinion doesn’t matter. What matters is the law. And Epstein Maxwell violates numerous state and federal laws.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  168. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    You missed my point because you are so completely ignorant of the rules of evidence and criminal procedure. Yes, a witness testifying that she saw a girl go into a room with Dershowitz would not be clear evidence.

    But the victim of sex abuse by the withered old creep Dershowitz testifying that he committed illegal sex acts against a minor by exposing his genitalia to her and all the touching and pawing that went on would be clear and present compelling evidence to convict him.

    If you plan to pontificate about criminal procedure and the rules of evidence moron, then read about it and try to understand it. You have the internet. Use it moron

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  169. Trinity says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    And I think that inbreeding is more prevalent among Jews than “hillbillies” as well. Self projection is yet another Jewish trait. The Jew accuses the Nazis and Hitler of wanting take over the world and genocide Jews? Hmm. The Jew talks about “White Supremacists” and “White Privilege” in America? Hmm. We could go on and on.

  170. @Hubert

    I seriously think he’s refreshing in his ferocity. It’s about time a male came back at these addled harpies. I don’t like hiding behind Jewisshness, but much of what he says about things is correct and should be said by every man accused by people like this.

    • Troll: Trinity
  171. @Bombercommand

    No one cares about legal constructs. They aren’t real and they aren’t the way real life is. Grow up. Spouting Puritan feminist talking points is lame.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  172. @Colin Wright

    The evidence of moral corruption among our supposed betters aside, those people become completely at the mercy of whoever is providing the service. Whenever he — or whoever is backing him says ‘jump,’ all they can say is ‘how high?’

    The simplest way to remove that issue completely is you become a country where garden variety sex work is not a shocking and/or criminal thing.

    There. Fixed it for ya.

    As for Bill having influence on Hillary. She’s in bed with Mossad as it is, so you are obviously wrong in your theory.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  173. @Alden

    ‘… You have the internet. Use it moron…’

    That’s about enough. Fuck off.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Curmudgeon
  174. @The Real World

    ‘WTF? You have a bizarre, immature and extremely limited way of thinking. So, the choice is only someone else 72 yrs old or fvck the 18 year old granddaughters friend?

    Why stop there? Just screw the granddaughter herself. Then move on to her 15 year old sister — it’s a grand time!’

    Sure, you can pick somewhere in the middle — I’d suggest that — but that’s not the point.

    The point is that while we are responsible for our actions, we’re hardly responsible for our desires.

    In fact, absent sinful desires, how can there be such a thing as virtue? If I don’t even want your stupid lawnmower, it’s not to my credit that I refrained from stealing it when you accidentally left it out front.

    Now, you may apologize for your gratuitous insults. That would be your chance to demonstrate your maturity.

  175. @restless94110

    ‘The simplest way to remove that issue completely is you become a country where garden variety sex work is not a shocking and/or criminal thing.’

    This was not garden variety prostitution — a transaction between two experienced and willing partners.

    This was the cynical exploitation of vulnerable minors. They were eaten up like candy and then tossed aside.

    I find this whole thread curious. On the one hand, we have people who ferociously denounce even the thought that someone might find teenage girls sexually attractive — really, a decidedly unrealistic attitude, and I suspect a hypocritical one. On the other, we have people who want to insist that seducing a troubled fourteen year-old by waving all your wealth and power in front of her and then dragging her off to a remote island where she can be mounted by a succession of lascivious sixty-somethings is just fine.

    In both camps, I’d say there’re a lot of people have yet to come to terms with their own sexual desires. Admit what you actually want — but don’t try to pretend that therefore it’s just fine.

    No, just because you want it doesn’t mean you should have it. That would appear to be beyond Alan Dershowitz et al — but presumably some of the readers here can rise to that rather modest moral height.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @restless94110
  176. Derer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Epstein, Dershowitz, Polanski, Weinstein, Clinton, Weiner…hmm hmm one of these names is not like the other…hmm hmm one of these names is not like the other.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  177. Alden says:
    @Fran800

    Another moron who doesn’t even know the definition of pedophile. A pedophile has sex with children 12 and under. Pedophilia ends on the child’s 13 birthday. The penalties get worse depending on the age of the victim. Same with sex assault against teen minors.

  178. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    The law is the law. If the age of consent is 18 in your state, go across the border and try to pick up a 16 or 17 year old high school girl in a state where the age of consent is 16. But don’t pay her money for sex because prostitution is also against the law everywhere in the United States.

    What I find unreal about the Epstein Maxwell threads is that a few, very few, commenters are such morons they confuse age of consent, statutory rape and prostitution, soliciting for prostitution, pimping procuring and keeping a brothel. According to the standard criminal law definition that’s what Epstein and his hench women were doing in his 4 houses.

    Prostitution is prostitution and it’s illegal.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  179. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it.

  180. @Derer

    ‘Epstein, Dershowitz, Polanski, Weinstein, Clinton, Weiner…hmm hmm one of these names is not like the other…hmm hmm one of these names is not like the other.’

    I think we can confer an honorary membership on him.

  181. @Hubert

    1. I agree with you about quotations and showing scant regard. However, context is also important. I dealt with “journalists” during my work life, and was an interim spokesperson several times. While individual journalists contacted me before publication or broadcast to apologize for what was coming, it is the ownership that drives the bus, and the ownership literally owns the editors. My point is that what Dershowitz has done is accepted as normal, except when it runs contrary to the media narrative.

    2. Deliberately misleading is lying. So is placing stories or quotes out of context. Farmer claims that Dersh “met” Epstein previously. What does “met” mean? I have “met” hundreds of people that I wouldn’t recognize and had nothing to do with, post “meeting”. The latter includes several politicians, and famous entertainers, who probably would not remember “meeting” me. This goes to the entire bullshit method of “ties”. Am I “tied” to someone I met through a friend but have never seen again?

    3. My point about Farmer is that she is telling a story that may, or may not be true. While Whitney Webb has done some excellent work, there is a whole lot of, as yet, uncorroborated statements made by a lot of people, including Farmer that she accepts as fact. There is no evidence of the author of this article scrutinizing Farmer’s narrative (or Webb’s) in the way he scrutinized Dersh O’Shits.

    No one here, including Alden, actually “knows” anything. Statements and depositions, until proven, are nothing but accusations.

    • Replies: @Hubert
    , @Art
    , @anon
    , @Alden
  182. @Colin Wright

    This was not garden variety prostitution — a transaction between two experienced and willing partners.

    This was the cynical exploitation of vulnerable minors. They were eaten up like candy and then tossed aside.

    Puleez. So you subscribe to the view the Suzi Q was just going to Church and suddenly the big bad woman took her away from all of that?

    Are you insane? Porn is being looked at by everyone all the time. This means that humans know about sex. The idea of some innocent dove? That’s bullshit, dude.

    Wake up.

    On the other, we have people who want to insist that seducing a troubled fourteen year-old by waving all your wealth and power in front of her and then dragging her off to a remote island where she can be mounted by a succession of lascivious sixty-somethings is just fine.

    Seducing? So saying I’ll give you 500 dollars is seduction now? And why did you add “troubled?” Are you troubled if you want to have sex? So in other words, a 40 year old is troubled? Do you think about what you write? And they were “dragged?” So, saying hey baby here’s 500 bucks, let’s go. That’s dragging??????? Dude, what is wrong with you?

    So she was “mounted?” Seriously, this reveals your pornographic desires. What if she gave the guy a blow job? Why did you go to her being “mounted” by a bunch of old men? Why not her being “mounted” by a bunch of young men? Why not her being “mounted” by a bunch of Lego toys? Why not her not being “mounted” by anyone?

    Why not her having screwed since she was 12, and then later being “mounted” for a bunch of money?

    Dude, this 2020. Not 1890. Try to keep up.

    I can’t go too much more into your reply, but you apparently think that people should come to terms with their sexual desires. What does that even mean? People just have sexual desires. They don’t come to terms with them. They just do them. It’s none of our business. None of anyone’s business.

    And no one cares about this issues except lawheads and totalitarians.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  183. @Colin Wright

    I have internet.
    https://thelawdictionary.org/testimony/

    Note the latter part re: evidence. Most people here cannot accept that reality, including your biggest “fan”.

  184. sarz says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sheldon Adelson is indeed a vile troglodyte — but does it follow that Samuel Walton was therefore good and good for America?

    There is a Jewess in the woodwork, either Sam Walton’s wife or mother, who changed the entire tenor of the family.

  185. @Alden

    But of course you illustrate so eloquently that it should not be illegal as should not all of the constructs you listed. So eloquently.

    • Replies: @Alden
  186. @restless94110

    ‘… People just have sexual desires. They don’t come to terms with them. They just do them…’

    If they’re utterly amoral and indifferent to the effect on their prospective partner, sure.

    ‘…It’s none of our business. None of anyone’s business…’

    That depends a lot on what they did, to whom they did it, and who it is who is aware of the act. I’ll refrain from formulating the rather disgusting possible examples.

    You want sex to be some kind of magically clean, consequence-free act. It can be — but often, it’s not. That’s why all societies ring it round with masses of ritualistic bumph.

  187. sarz says:
    @Petermx

    What if Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and some other powerful whites talked about whites the way these Jewish, sex criminal billionaires, with connections to the most powerful people in the world talk?

    Bill Gates is likely a Jew. The case was made by a person who was probably killed by the ADL for his work, the guy who ran judicial-inc.biz. Also, Trump is no doubt, like his father before him a Jew pretending in the interest of Jews to be a Christian. Warren Buffet decided early in his career to go the shabbos goy way. If a white is powerful these days he’s either a Jew or a shabbos goy. If there were four or five of the other sort, why would they not have bought up media properties to fight back?

  188. @Colin Wright

    Define immoral.

    What is disgusting for you about consensual sex? Pray do tell.

    So sex is not clean? Sex is dirty? That sounds like the 1890s. Are you from those times?

    What is a ritualistic bumph?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @acementhead
  189. sarz says:
    @Alden

    Epstein Maxwell may or may not have murdered some one.

    Epstein and Maxwell’s big sin was not the Judaic sexual violation of Christian girls. Don’t forget the Moloch temple. Look up Laurent Guyénot’s articles here to see what that’s about. Maria Farmer says she can’t understand why there are so few girls coming forth. There were thousands she says.

    Think of Epstein and Maxwell as Judaic hierophants paid for by the top level of satanic Jews. Maria says that Ghislaine has intimate connections with the Rothschilds and British royalty (whose family got their postion as the servants of the big Jews).

    When Epstein’s arrest was imminent he bought a large cement truck at urgent premium for delivery to his island. What was that about if not to get rid of the stains of satanically violated and sacrificed children? The entrance was from some enclosed space below, where it seems a small sub could dock. Ghislaine has shown off about having helicopter snd submarine licences.

    • Replies: @Alden
  190. @Alden

    What was egregious about it? Could it just be a violation without your scare adjective?

    Who cares whether men passed a stupid old fashioned asinine law before your grand mama was born?

    Who cares if it is in federal court. When the law is an ass it doesn’t matter what court it is in..

    Your perverted moronic opinion doesn’t matter. What matters is justice and truth not laws made up by hysterical fools like yourself.

    Maxwell violated nothing. She will be free within 12 months.

  191. Hubert says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Don’t disagree re evidence. But AD made specific claims about a publicly available interview. These were deliberately misleading and defamatory. This was demonstrated in the article. As regards Farmer’s statements – agreed – who knows whether she is telling the truth or not. Hence the need for these issues to be thrashed out in court, challenged by AD and others etc. But if one limits oneself to what can currently be demonstrated then AD’s assertions can be shown to be deliberately misleading in a way Farmer’s can’t (at least with regard to what is publicly accessible at this point). All you can say so far is that we need to hear more re Farmer’s claims (e.g. what she means by ‘met’ etc. which you are right about).

  192. Skeptikal says:
    @ivan

    These nasties are the boys who came from the Pale of Russia.
    Kieve area.
    Read Gus Russo, Supermob.

    • Agree: Druid
  193. @restless94110

    I’m afraid you’ve gotten boring.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  194. @restless94110

    The Police and the Courts care about “legal constructs” and have the power to enforce it, and that power is very “real”. The Public certainly cares about protecting minors from being Sex Trafficked and fully supports the Police and Courts. Prison is real life and an intolerable place to live if you did what Ghislaine Maxwell is guilty of, she will have a miserable time. You talk like a mediocre arrogant jewish kid, which I believe you are. “Sean”, one of your hasbara troll buddies, is so much better at this. “Sean” resorted to gaslighting that jew-Epstein’s minor victims were lying about being minors, but that blew up in his face. We haven’t seen “Sean” lately, but you pop up spouting the same jew-party line. Is “Sean” training you right now? You write like a jew-boy hasbara trainee. You jews are scared of something, from your desperate venom I can feel it. You are scared that the big money jews that bankrolled the-guy-that-didnt-work-Epstein will lose their cover, because they would be guilty of what Maxwell is guilty of….

  195. Art says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The Jews are in a self-imposed cultural trap, having to defend a real shithead.

    Don’t know about the legal courts, but in the court of public opinion – Dershowitz trashing Farmer, is a loser for the tribe. The problem is that more and more people know she is telling the truth about the elite Jews and the coercive tribe that backs them. They correctly see him as a bullying elite Jew, not as a victim.

    You can only go to the well so many times. Dershowitz is rapidly using up what little grace water the Jews have.

    From now on, every time Dershowitz opens his mouth using the Jew war cry of “anti-Semitism” – defending himself and attacking the true victim, he brings down the Jew tribe.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Curmudgeon
  196. Miro23 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Time for the gods of justice to claim this serpent’s illustrious soul.

    No need for divine intervention. There are some earthly specialists to deal with these guys.

  197. @Art

    ‘… Don’t know about the legal courts, but in the court of public opinion – Dershowitz trashing Farmer, is a loser for the tribe…’

    It’s only a loser for the tribe if it gets mainstream media attention.

    I’ll be overjoyed to be proven wrong, but watch the curtain of silence descend.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Miro23
  198. Rubicon says:

    Let’s stop even for 2 minutes and put into perpsective the huge difference between Jewish Power in
    the US vs in Europe.

    The difference is quite remarkable.
    I have a very close Italian friend who is very well educated and well-informed of societal/financial/economic interests in Europe and elsewhere.

    When I relate to him some of the nonsense going on with Jewish power in the US, my friend clearly states that most all Jews in Western Europe do NOT behave as does Dershowitz and others of his kind.
    He states: tens of thousands of Jews have NOT infiltrated each nation’s federal/regional/local governments. Ditto with their legal, judicial, financial systems. It’s a stark contrast to the American scene.

    We think it has to do with Europe being around the block for several centuries, where the moneyed people very closely preserve their riches for several generations, even centuries.

    Instead, American Jews have been able to infiltrate thousands of times over in capturing both huge amounts of wealth, but prestige, too.

    It’s a remarkable difference and you may want to consider this.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Skeptikal
  199. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    … Don’t know about the legal courts, but in the court of public opinion – Dershowitz trashing Farmer, is a loser for the tribe…’

    It’s only a loser for the tribe if it gets mainstream media attention.

    I’ll be overjoyed to be proven wrong, but watch the curtain of silence descend.

    Of course you are right. I think that the Jew tribe has already put out the word too not give Dershowitz face time on TV. Him screeching victim, using the Jew war-cry “anti-Semite” regarding Farmer, is turning people off.

    We now hear the old war-cries of “anti-Semite, six million, and holocaust” less and less. Those mendacious lies achieved their goal – they got the Jews accepted into power.

    Today they are in a new mode – they are boldly out to crush any talk about their use of that power.

    The poor old warhorse Dershowitz is still stuck in his ways – they are putting him out to pasture.

  200. Art says:
    @Rubicon

    Hmm — very interesting – what about the UK – in this last election the Jews played a public overarching role. Thanks!

  201. @Colin Wright

    I am not afraid at all. You can’t reply so you act bored.. What a fop.

  202. @Colin Wright

    Amoral? What does that even mean? That is obviously your personal view.

    That depends a lot on what they did, to whom they did it, and who it is who is aware of the act. I’ll refrain from formulating the rather disgusting possible examples.

    No. It does not. Mind your own fucking business.

    You want sex to be some kind of magically clean, consequence-free act. It can be — but often, it’s not. That’s why all societies ring it round with masses of ritualistic bumph.

    I didn’t say I wanted sex to be magical and clean. You did. And for the last time what the fuck is bumph?

    • Replies: @acementhead
  203. @Alden

    A moron who insisted Virginia was over the age of consent because she was 17. A moron who doesn’t even know the age of consent in Florida was and is 18.

    I’m aware of the Florida law. I’m pointing out that the laws do vary by geographic location, indicating that any kind of mass consensus on morality, simply does not exist. Some people don’t think laws should be based on arbitrary distinctions and emotion. What I think has happened is that men were given the right to vote at 18 because they were considered conscriptable at that age (that’s the age at which males are considered physically mature). 18 then became a sort of magic legal number. Ages of consent (in many jurisdictions in the western world) have been steadily creeping upwards and I think that female political power is the reason. Women want to be infantilized, but they never want to admit it.

    As for prostitution, you sure are in full-on white knight mode about it. I hope your white knighting augments your social status or whatever it is you think you’re hoping to achieve with it. Many things could be defined as prostitution. Men provide, women give sex in return. That’s the basis of marriage, btw. Anyway even Guiffre was effectively a prostitute, I don’t see why she had to go along with it. She could have said “no” and left the island but she wanted to be there.

    BTW I notice you excitedly citing laws X,Y,and Z. Pretty soon web sites such as Unz will be illegal in the US (hate speech laws A, B and C, you know). When that happens are you still going to be all preachy about the law?

    • Replies: @Alden
  204. @restless94110

    “Define immoral.”

    restless94110 you asked Colin Wright to “define immoral” and he ran away with a stupid excuse. I have Colin Wright on “ignore” but read his response. He had to run away because to define immoral correctly would make his position, on this matter, absurd. He’d have looked even more stupid.

    People constantly talk about ‘morality’ but nobody ever defines it. It is absurd to discuss something which is undefined. The vast majority of people could not provide a concise definition of ‘morality’. I can, and here it is.

    Moral behavior is that behavior which maximises the probability of individual and species survival.

    That definition is valid at all times and places; I’m unable to think of a circumstance in which it is not correct.

    It is clear that the absurd ‘blue laws’ of the US are not only archaic but the act of passing them into legislation was grossly immoral. The making of prostitution illegal in the US has, without a doubt, been the cause of huge economic destruction, untold misery due to violence, engendered solely by the immoral laws, and the deaths of thousands of women.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  205. Miro23 says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘… Don’t know about the legal courts, but in the court of public opinion – Dershowitz trashing Farmer, is a loser for the tribe…’

    It’s only a loser for the tribe if it gets mainstream media attention.

    I’ll be overjoyed to be proven wrong, but watch the curtain of silence descend.

    That’s assuming that the MSM has the power that it once had. Their 2016 anti-Trump attacks were blatant lies and smears that lost them plenty of credibility with the public (Trump got elected despite their best efforts), and the MSM is having trouble controlling internet news sources (example RT). Then there’s the iconic 9/11 story that has gone from full acceptance to a majority opinion of lies and fakery. Somehow the truth filters out – and as it does – the risks for insiders rise and they tend to jump ship or get cancelled by their own team (Dershowitz?)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  206. @restless94110

    ” what the fuck is bumph?”

    bumph is the acronym from a generic, archaic, aircraft pre-landing checklist.

    Brakes – Off
    Undercarriage – Down
    Mixture – Rich
    Pitch – Fine
    Harness – Tight

    so I suppose bumph means something like mindlessly repeated boilerplate. Maybe.

  207. Trinity says:

    Every time you see a story like this, Americans should curse the so-called, “Greatest Generation” and their traitorous leaders and beg Hitler & Germany for forgiveness. When you see or read about a 5 year old white boy being shot in the head execution style you can curse the same people along with the Kennedy clan, the Bush clan, the Clinton family, Nixon,etc. , and all those responsible for creating a social environment where white children are subjected to be killed, beaten, and raped by their nonwhite neighbor. You can also beg forgiveness from those Southern Whites from yesteryear ( today’s White Southerner is usually just as bad as a New England Yankee when it comes to obeying political correctness) who tried their best to keep this nation segregated. White Southerners, out of sheer ignorance to the JQ, piss me off when it comes to kissing Jew ass, but it is the Yankee Whites who had turned over all the power in this country to Jews, White Southerners had little to no power in this country all those years ago. Thank you, “greatest generation.” Thank you, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, Richard and Ronnie, Bush family, Bill and Hillary, Obama ( our first Jewish President) and thank you Orange Man.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @sarz
  208. @acementhead

    I agree with you 100 percent. You can add to that though the ludicrous name switch from prostitution to sex trafficked victim. Further lunacies are the near-constant assertions of child sex trafficking. I believe the percentage stands at 95 percent of child sex abuse is done by someone known by the victim.

    Aren’t we all so sick of hearing these terms thrown around carelessly, endlessly? Meaninglessly.

    I am not sure about your definition of morality, however. I wouldn’t look at it that way. I’d start with the 10 Commandments perhaps and then finish with some of the sayings found in the Tao Te Ching. Your definition sounds hard to assess. You’re going all evolutionary psychology on me.

  209. Jiminy says:

    He seems to be another who lives his life by the motto, “never let the truth spoil a good story”.

  210. chris says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    As good as this article is, if it’s result is to have people listen to the Maria Farmer interview, it will have done more to increase public understanding of how these “elite” scumbags operate, with the active participation of secret services, etc., than 10000 articles on the subject!

    Funny how Maria’s interview should be linked here, days after Israel Shamir’s extremely transparent attempt to obfuscate and whitewash the whole thing. What a perfect refutation (FAIL!)

    • Agree: Jefferson Temple
    • Replies: @Art
  211. @restless94110

    I do not get why anyone on Earth cares about Epstein, Maxwell, and Dersh

    Interesting. That would suggest to any impartial observer that you simply do not possess the intellect necessary to comprehend the legal issues involved. Your problem – not mine.

    The “charges” are spurious and over 2 decades old

    2 decades or 10 – the length of time passed is irrelevant. The spuriousness or otherwise of the charges is precisely the issue for which the legally-constituted Court of Prosecution is set up and is scheduled to debate. In the meantime, your opinion is worthless.

    This is garden variety escort work

    Solicitation, transportation, pimping and imprisonment of Minors for sexual purposes is illegal in every civilised nation on earth. Is that what you believe is “garden variety escort work” ? You must have had a strange – and very illegal – life.

    I’m pretty sure Maxwell will walk

    We’ll see. In the meantime, as above, your opinion is worthless.

    I don’t care who Dersh had sex with and either should you or anyone

    No one in their right mind gives a shit whether the lying, degenerate, paedophile scumbag Dershowitz has shafted every donkey and camel in the Negev. The question is, whether or not he should be in prison for felony convictions as above.

    Please don’t reply. Your ignorance is lowering the site’s average IQ.

  212. Corvinus says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “I believe that only Jews could be so evil as to nuke Beirut, as Israel has just done.”

    That is Fake News.

    “The Jews collectively are evil. I think it’s splitting hairs to dispute that”.

    No, it’s patently false.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  213. Art says:
    @chris

    Funny how Maria’s interview should be linked here, days after Israel Shamir’s extremely transparent attempt to obfuscate and whitewash the whole thing. What a perfect refutation (FAIL!)

    Hear hear — Shamir’s article was a bait and switch ploy. He cited examples of unjust sexual attacks on Gentiles – then switched to defending obvious scumbag Jews like Weinstein and Epstein.

    How long will it be before the use of the words Weinstein and Epstein, will be considered “anti-Semitic?”

    This is another concrete example of how most all Jews, defend immoral Jews who have done wrong.

    Jews act together as a tribe – period.

    • Replies: @chris
  214. Druid says:
    @chuckywiz

    One big difference is that 99% of jews will ultimately side with each other against everybody else. It’s a Talmud and a tribal/club thing. Other people’s don’t support their horrible leaders blindly in such numbers!

    • Replies: @Trinity
  215. chris says:
    @Art

    Yeah, hi Art.

    I actually liked many of Israel Shamir’s articles and his unique take on most things, but the last one has made me a lot more weary of him than before. The last one was so easy to debunk that you’d have to take notice and to start questioning his trustworthiness completely.

    Once I got on that path I discovered one of the major inconsistencies about him which I hadn’t thought about before. For a convert to Orthodox Christianity, which he claims to be, he seems a little too proud of the purported sexual prowess of his youth. I mean, everyone might have indulged in something like that at one point or another in his life, but if at one point in your life you declare yourself a Christian, it seems a little odd that you would later bring this aspect of your youth up in glowing terms as much as he does. I mean, there are Christians of course who do that, but someone who took the step of converting, presumably in their adult life, I don’t know, you would assume a little more humility in “matters of the flesh” as they say. This is like a give-away that his story isn’t quite ‘kosher,’ as it were 🙂

    Still, the greatest contribution to these pages, for me is the thing he wrote about Putin, that Putin had been schooled in Jewish practices by friendly Jewish neighbors. Which is to say that Putin may be Jewish, because which system opportunistic Russian family might have, in Communist times risked taking religious instruction, and which Jewish family would have instructed a gentile in that matter? That might well be true and may explain certain things about Putin, certainly about how he was so positively accepted by Russia and the West, … initially.

    • Thanks: Art
  216. @Art

    From my original reply to Hubert:

    At some point, all Jews under attack play the “J card”. It is no different than visible minorities screaming screaming “racism” when things are not going their way.

    which is why I stated that what Dersh has done is accepted as normal, unless it runs counter to the media narrative. In this case, the media narrative is going to hang him out to dry, but leave Jews untouched.

    My only “support” for Dersh is that the media has already tried and convicted him, Maxwell, and others, when, other than statements by women making allegations, there is no hard evidence, only inference.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Art
    , @Alden
  217. @Miro23

    ‘That’s assuming that the MSM has the power that it once had…’

    To be frank, I wonder. I had an exchange today with a true believer in the virus. A year and a half ago I watched the Superbowl with a casual acquaintance — and I was taken aback to hear him seriously arguing that sexually integrated combat units are a good idea. People really do still believe in Santa Claus.

    Particularly in the internet age, we can wind up off in these little intellectual sects — Unz Review would be a good example — where we start developing our own notion of what is ordinary received wisdom.

    An awful lot of people — most people? — still watch the mainstream media, think it all must be true, and believe what they’re told.

    To what extent the dominant paradigm is collapsing is a good question — and I’m not at all sure of the answer. It’s taken some pretty savage hits, that’s for sure — particularly over the last few months — but is it 30% intact, 65% intact, 95% intact? I don’t know.

  218. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    The evidence was collected between 2004-2006 by the Palm Beach Police Department, New York City PD and the FBI.

    Police listen to allegations, then do a preliminary investigation. A decision is made to either drop the matter because no evidence if found, or continue the evidence until indictable evidence is found.

    In the cases of Epstein and Maxwell, plenty of indictable evidence was found. In the case of Dershowitz indictable evidence has not been found. Such evidence may or may not yet be found.

    You’re just another creepy old pervert like Epstein who thinks 14 year old girls should be available to you. That’s why you are defending the molesters of underage minors.

    • Troll: Hubert
  219. Art says:
    @Curmudgeon

    My only “support” for Dersh is that the media has already tried and convicted him, Maxwell, and others, when, other than statements by women making allegations, there is no hard evidence, only inference.

    Really — I think you are defending them because they are Jews. One Jew defending another Jew, not matter what – is the norm.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  220. Trinity says:
    @Druid

    MOST nonwhites support their own kind no matter what they do, especially Blacks. How many Blacks stood up and said they knew OJ Simpson was guilty? Case closed. Whites are the only group that will go against their own kind even when they know their own kind is telling the truth. Whites attack Whites who dare and stand up for their own rights, go figure that one out. I guess a lot of Whites love being treated like shit.

  221. Alden says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Restless94110, Curmudgeon and a few others spend so much time wanking away on porn sites like Horny Teen Harlots Love Creepy Old Codgers their brains have significantly deteriorated.

    Their ignorance of the criminal justice system from the initial police report, through investigation, rules of evidence, criminal procedure, pretending that age of consent and prostitution are the same thing isn’t low IQ. It’s just proof that they are either molesters of underage minors or wannabe molesters of underage minors who spend their lives wanking away watching porn sites like Horny Young Hatlots Love Creepy Old Codgers.

    And even , pretending to be unaware that , interstate transport of anyone of any age for prostitution and other illegal sexual acts is a violation of 18 USC SS 2421 2422 2423 2424 2425 passed in 1910 by an all male senate and congress

    If they keep up advocating sex with under age minors I hope law enforcement flags them. They deserve it.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  222. Alden says:
    @Alan Marson

    I’m not a knight. I’m not eligible to be a knight. The law is the law. Court rulings set precedents that become law. Go back to wanking away as you watch your favorite porn site Horny Young Harlots Love Creepy Old Codgers.

    Everybody defends what they like and approve of. You are defending molesters of underage minors. Doesn’t matter what you think or do. The law is the law. Get caught with a girl you think is a hot and horny teen harlot and accept the consequences.

    Or find a woman your own age.

    When I was a probation officer there were some black molesters of their underage nieces daughters sisters and grand daughters.

    Like you, they thought they did nothing wrong.
    Like you they thought the laws were unjust. Like you they had many arguments against the laws; especially “ isn’t it better she learns from her father than some kid”

    Unlike you, they went to prison for molesting underage girls.

    Or maybe you’re in a prison library typing justifications of illegal sex acts with underage minors because you got caught.

    • Replies: @Alan Marson
  223. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    How can you say the media has “ convicted “ him when he hasn’t even been interviewed by investigators or charged by prosecutors?

    You’re such a moron you don’t even know what conviction or convicted means.

    The media is Jewish and I haven’t seen anything either written on the internet it TV news that the media has convicted the Jew Dershowitz. If anything the media is covering it up because he is Jewish.

    Look up conviction and spare us your moronic ignorance.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  224. Skeptikal says:
    @Rubicon

    To understand how the Jews took over the USA, read Gus Russo, Supermob.
    It starts with the lawyers, interacting with and acting for mobsters.
    It is all about money.
    Skimming, hiding, every thing you can do with money to avoid paying any taxes, but instead use it to buy influence so that you remain (1) undetected, and (2) can make more money to hide and use to buy influence (including cultural influence). Wash and repeat at ever higher levels of influence and “respect.” Don’t forget the philanthropic money laundering!

    The story of how Jewish power originating in Chicago took over the labor movement, robbed the pension funds, then California (not just Hollywood but the the whole political apparatus), Nevada, Arizona, television . . .

    It is breathtaking. Everyone who comments here should read this book.

    Just the story of the Sunrise Hospital in Las Vegas is incredible—how the deals were made with the Teamsters.

    You will be flabbergasted.

    You will not longer be stabbing around in the dark as to how the Jews took over the USA and subverted the purposes of the American govt. It is all about Benjamins. And the Jews, of course.
    They already started playing the “anti-semitism” card in the ’30s and ’40s to fend off legitimate investigations.

    Once you look at the phrase “avoid paying taxes” you can’t help notice that this is one of the main prerogatives of the British royal family (the queen pays a bit of tax, but the *wealth* is untaxed, and the taxpayers actually pay the royal family!!) , and naturally the raison d’etre of all the offshore tax havens spawned by the City of London after the UK “lost” WW2. Basically this issue of tax havens is a spinoff of the normal mob mission, which is to make money and keep it all, using to do so all of the infrastructure of a civilized country whose taxpayers have paid for said infrastructure, but contributing nothing (excpet maybe some paltry “philanthropy” for window dressing).

    It is incredible, when one thinks about it, that the Brits keep on letting the royal family rob them blind.
    https://www.statista.com/chart/18569/total-cost-of-the-uks-royal-family-by-year/

    All of these supergrifters are parasites on the hosts where they live.
    Maybe not so bad in Europe, but give it time . . .

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Alden
  225. Hubert says:

    I notice that Harvard has recently honoured Alan Dershowitz. Aside from the examples of dishonesty and sloppiness outlined and referred to in this article, can anyone – ANYONE, actually point me to his legal scholarship (papers in journals, original legal scholarship etc.). I haven’t been able to track down anything and on his website under ‘Scholarly Writings’ are journalistic hit pieces written for the Gatestone Institute https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/ . Do write here if you can find anything – surely Harvard is supposed to have SOME strandards!

  226. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    ” I have “met” hundreds of people that I wouldn’t recognize and had nothing to do with, post “
    Countries have managed to wage wars because someone met somebody Countries have managed to put people away in Gitmo because someone met somebody . Sometimes somebody lied about meeting someone making that a crime worthy of getting removed from society for years .

    That argument and consequences must have been heard many times but Dershowitz himself just like any other avid supporters of that arguments and the consequences .

    Unlike these girls,Dershowitz is known to have made atrocious claims ,have disparaged less powerful ,people have forced universities to capitulate and raised the specter of financial squeezing of the institutes. He has a background that these girls dont have . He is lawyer with no moral bone .

    By the way , why these people from Clinton to Prince Andrew – why were they meeting Epstein and meeting him in a sordid island known for being nothing but a sex lab? Were they planning next golf outing or next injection of the heroin ? Were they discussing state polices on health education or finances ?

    Did Epstein meet with any person ever who did not have either money or status as a celebrity ?

    • Replies: @anon
  227. Skeptikal says:
    @Dave Bowman

    The Epstein-Maxwell story is not about sex. It is about politics. Sex is just the plot driver.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  228. Art says:
    @Skeptikal

    The story of how Jewish power originating in Chicago took over the labor movement, robbed the pension funds, then California (not just Hollywood but the the whole political apparatus), Nevada, Arizona, television . . .

    Here is Ron Unz on the subject.

    American Pravda: the Power of Organized Crime
    How a Young Syndicate Lawyer from Chicago Earned a Fortune Looting the Property of the Japanese-Americans, then Lived Happily Ever After as America’s Most Respected Civil Libertarian Federal Appellate Court Judge.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/

  229. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I may not know the facts of the case, but I do know the laws re underage prostitution and transporting persons across state borders for the purposes of prostitution and illegal sex acts.

  230. Alden says:
    @restless94110

    You opinion and my opinion about underage prostitution don’t mean a thing. It’s not a matter of should or should not be illegal.

    It’s a fact that the activities you advocate are already illegal. The law is the law. Violate it and face the consequences as Maxwell will.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  231. Alden says:
    @Skeptikal

    I have Supermob, great book

  232. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    Chester the molester Harvard prof. “ Jeffrey, I’d like you to meet the famous defense attorney, Alan Dershowitz “

    Epstein “. I’ve wanted to meet you for a long time”. I’m in New York for a few weeks. Chester is coming down next weekend. Would you like to join him at my house for lunch and a massage”

    Dershowitz “. I’ve heard so much about you and your contributions to science technology and Harvard. I’m delighted to join you for lunch and a massage next weekend.”

    Chester the molester “ great, let’s schedule for Saturday, and we can fly down together”

  233. Alden says:
    @sarz

    You reminded me of horrible crimes against teen boys and young men when I was a Probation Officer. I had nothing to do with it, but I heard about it because some San Francisco gay sadist perverts were involved. One owned a well known restaurant.

    The murderer kidnappers weren’t famous or powerful like Dirtshowitz, but they spent a lot of money on their torture murder chamber.

    The state charges were tried in some rural Texas county because they had the best evidence. The federal charges tried in one of the big cities in Texas, I forget which one.

    Anyway they kidnapped teens and young men all over the south west and Louisiana and brought them to a country place in rural Texas. Some of the boys were probably hookers. Others were approached in the parks playing basketball. Swimming pools, Video game arcades. Others were just grabbed off the street, man handled into a van, gagged cuffed and wrist and ankles and given a shot of morphine, heroin something to keep them groggy.

    Gay Perverts came from all over the country to enjoy raping torturing and murdering the boys. One thing the gay perverts enjoyed was this.

    Several sheets of 3/4 plywood were glued and nailed together. Then a naked boy was positioned kneeling with his legs spread butt up head down. Then his arms and calves were fastened to the plywood. Then his hands ankles feet and ankles were nailed to the plywood, then they got raped till they died.

    There were all sorts of dungeons whips torture instruments etc

    About 40 boys were killed. I remember that the gay perverts didn’t do the spotting and kidnapping and running the prison the boys were held in. They just flew in to enjoy the torturing and murdering. They had to pay for their pleasures, joining a secret club with a big membership fee and extra whenever they cane to to enjoy the activities.

    If some moderately rich men could run an operation like this, think what Epstein Maxwell and Werner could do with the hundreds of millions at their disposal.

    John Wayne Gary managed to murder and hide under his house about 25-30? young men with no help from anyone.

    His MO was to go to bars near factories warehouses auto repair shops etc on Friday night. He’d start talking to a young man. Tell the man he was a carpenter doing a big remodel job somewhere and he needed extra help on weekends. So the arrangement would be made, I’ll pick you up at 8AM tomorrow.

    Or he’d tell the victim he had some good weed at home or anything to entice the victim to go to his house.

    Gay perverts sometimes torture and murder. Hetero perverts do the same thing.

    That Texas thing was really shocking. Glad I wasn’t involved.

  234. @Dave Bowman

    nteresting. That would suggest to any impartial observer that you simply do not possess the intellect necessary to comprehend the legal issues involved. Your problem – not mine.

    It might suggest it to you, but you would be wrong. Furthermore you are hardly impartial.

    2 decades or 10 – the length of time passed is irrelevant. The spuriousness or otherwise of the charges is precisely the issue for which the legally-constituted Court of Prosecution is set up and is scheduled to debate. In the meantime, your opinion is worthless.

    This would suggest to the impartial observer that you simply do not possess the intellect necessary to comprehend the legal issues involved in statute of limitations rules that have governed jurisprudence for centuries.

    Solicitation, transportation, pimping and imprisonment of Minors for sexual purposes is illegal in every civilised nation on earth. Is that what you believe is “garden variety escort work” ? You must have had a strange – and very illegal – life.

    The terms you use are not proven and the age of minority is fluid over time and throughout all civilized societies. The hysterical screaming is over common garden variety sex escort work. Talking nonsense using common scare words does not change it. The girls were paid for sex. They were not forced. They were not imprisoned. Period.

    We’ll see. In the meantime, as above, your opinion is worthless.

    As is yours. Especially yours.

    No one in their right mind gives a shit whether the lying, degenerate, paedophile scumbag Dershowitz has shafted every donkey and camel in the Negev. The question is, whether or not he should be in prison for felony convictions as above.

    No one in their right mind gives a shit about your hateful prejudiced spew. You lower the collective IQ of the world with your nonsense.

    Please don’t reply and make yourself look worse than you have already made yourself so far.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  235. @Alden

    People that disagree with you and question the law and the overzealous prosecutors lead you to conclude nasty stupidities. You rattle off a few statutes and some laws and that makes you think you are making a point.

    In this case, the law is an ass. And people like you who quote the law are asses.

    • Replies: @Alden
  236. @Skeptikal

    Exactly It has nothing to do with sex or so-called “victims.” It’s all about the ruining of the Western structure of justice under attack by hateful puritans and feminists.

  237. sarz says:
    @Trinity

    Thank you, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, Richard and Ronnie, Bush family, Bill and Hillary, Obama ( our first Jewish President) and thank you Orange Man.

    Trinity is being sarcastic, ‘thanking’ the “greatest generation” for selling out to the Jews. But, sadly, Trinity has not heard the news. FDR, like Teddy and Eleanor, was descended from the biggest pair of slave-trading Jews, the Roosevelt brothers. Truman’s only child Margaret, was married to a Jew, Daniels. Eisenhower’s class yearbook at West Point refers to him as a Swedish Jew. That’s why it was a big deal when Billy Graham baptised his brother, Milton, president of Johns Hopkins. LBJ was a secret Sephardic Jew, as Salvador Astucia establishes in his book about the Kennedy assassination. It was very much a Jewish act for him to help the Israelis murder Kennedy. Christopher Bollyn discovered that the head of the Jews in America in the 1700s was a Bush. Since the Jews went from slave traders to paricipants in the Jew-organised Opium Wars that’s a place to look for the Bush family history. Hillary had one Jewish grandparent and she’s milking that for all it’s worth, including framing stories of the mishpucha. And Obama’s mother’s family had a good mixture of Judaic in their makeup, including her participation in pornography and miscegenation with Obama’s biological father, Frank Marshall Davis, a communist activist. Orange Man Trump is, as his elder brother confessed to his frat brothers at his Jewish fraternity at Lehigh, the son of a German Jew father pretending to be a Christian.

    So you see, Trinity, these guys were not after all selling out their own people to the Jews. The Jews were their people.

  238. Some commentators here have said that Israel used a nuclear weapon against Lebanon. This is false because the truth is that Israel used the same directed energy weapon against Lebanon that Israel used against Iran in the prior weeks causing the fires in Iran at key installations.

  239. @Alden

    Everybody defends what they like and approve of. You are defending molesters of underage minors. Doesn’t matter what you think or do. The law is the law. Get caught with a girl you think is a hot and horny teen harlot and accept the consequences.

    For one thing, what I personally want in life and what I think should be legal are two different (albeit not entirely independent) things. For example I don’t drink or take recreational drugs, but I oppose prohibition entirely, simply because I don’t want to empower guys like you (or the criminal organizations who are effectively granted a monopoly by virtue of market being illegal to enter). For another thing, I advise everyone to be maximally aware of the law in all things sexual. So, were I to advise someone, for his own good, I would certainly advise him to never to run afoul of one of these laws.

    So you say you’ve been hanging around sex offenders, some of whom have said similar things to what I previously said. I don’t know their individual cases. Certainly I would never say that it’s OK to have any kind of sexual relations with a family member, especially a daughter or grand daughter, so as far as I am concerned you just clouded the issue with a giant straw man. Epstein wasn’t like that. He was a rich moneybags and young females were attracted to that even if they generally ended up with a sour aftertaste. OTO I have no doubt that some of the offenders you worked were indeed hard done by by the law (but without seeing the individual cases for myself I couldn’t say for sure).

    So I gather you want anyone who enunciates non status-quo opinions on this subject flagged by LE. You’re swimming in a sea of hypocricy here without even seeing it. Before you carry on about how the laws says this and the law says that, take a look in the mirror. If you live in Florida, your opinions may be illegal under their new “anti-Semitism” law. Even supporting BDS may violate the law in Florida. Expect more of these laws to crop up with minimal resistance from the courts. That’s the direction of things. Also Donald Trump signed a new executive order that directs the government to investigate anti-Semitism, so according to the law, the federal government now has an actual mandate to investigate you. As for me, I’ve one of those highly unfashionable people who believes in free speech.

  240. Please folks be careful and watch your words. Be concise and accurate with each word. Do not get carried away. Do not paint a broad brush over all Jewish people. There are a lot of good Jews and i Love those good Jews… However…I do agree that the Zionist lobby has a death grip on the USA and unless that death grip is released, our country is toast. A Jewish lady that i know told me that calling you anti semitic is one of their tricks to not have to answer for their actions. PS Israel did not nuke Lebanon, they used the same directed energy weapon against Lebanon that they used against Iran causing those fires at key installations in the preceding weeks.

    • Replies: @Chuckywiz
  241. @restless94110

    …statute of limitations rules…

    Those limitations don’t invalidate any crime, just whether they can be prosecuted or not.

    Is that your daughter over there…?

  242. Those limitations don’t invalidate any crime, just whether they can be prosecuted or not.

    Is that your daughter over there…?Who cares? And who cares about my daughter?

    Try to focus.

    You seem to think that there was a crime committed. The statute of limitations is in place because, as time passes, it gets harder and harder to judge if a crime was committed at all.

    It is apparent in this case that whatever happened 25 years ago, it could have and should have been reported and prosecuted 25 years ago if it was an actual crime. It wasn’t.

    This makes a mockery of a thousand years of English jurisprudence. You can not claim a crime was committed 20 years later! That is insane. But more than that, it is unjust.

    Instead of talking about my daughter, think about your son. They are hunting males,, fool. And guess what? In the 1890s women were looked upon as without agency. They were all considered fragile flowers who fainted at every moment.

    Tell, me, fool. What is different now about how this case is treating females???? So feminism is not about women’s rights? It is instead about a new Puritanism? Yeah. It is. Take care of your sons, bud, and leave me and my daughter out of your lunacy.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  243. @Art

    I’m not a Jew, but I am acquainted with several, and have had dealings with them for over 50 years. They are not a monolith, except for those active participants of organized Jewry, in which Maxwell and Dershowitz are well established, which is a monolith.
    It would make no difference to me whether they were Roman Catholics, Baptists or Jains. Trial by opinion is dangerous for everyone.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Art
  244. Alden says:
    @restless94110

    The law is the law. Violators will be investigated prosecuted convicted and punished. The statute of limitations on rape and molestation of minors was extended decades ago.

    You don’t know that the statutes of limitations on the crimes Maxwell committed was extended decades ago. I do know their crimes fall with the statute of limitations

    You’re wrong because you’re just defending Jewish pimps and molesters if underage minors. What matters here is the law.

    Fluid over time and place means that Maxwell the pimp and her molesters of underaged girls will be investigated at the time (now) and place (America, specifically New York and Florida)

    What was done against those girls was a crime when it was done, falls within the statute of limitations and is a crime now

    • Replies: @restless94110
  245. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Only place trials occur is in courtrooms moron.
    Maxwell’s trial is set for next July. Dershowitz hasn’t even been interviewed by investigators yet let alone charged with anything.

    Only a moron would claim Dershowitz has been charged and is on trial.

  246. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Dershowitz called Binary a Nazi , railed against S African civil rights lawyer with most vicious language who documented Israeli atrocities against Gaza requested by UN . Dershowitz lobbies for the criminal Israeli looter, Dan Gertler, defended the repulsive Steve Bannon, decried Daniel Berrigan, the heroic pacifist priest as anti semite

    He said : “Israel must always remain a bipartisan issue. We never want to see Israel become a referendum issue in an election. Why? We could lose! … Who could have predicted the outcome of the last election. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket” at a pep talk on Jewish influence to an orthodox audience in Scarsdale .

    His opinion about anti Zionst academic!! “ The dog “, “3rd rate “ , who won’t get job because they are attack dog -attacking Israel !

    About his tribe “People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….

    We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming, here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/influence-dershowitz-scarsdale/

    Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz encouraged his audience to blackmail academic institutions into giving Israel their undivided loyalty and support, during a book signing at New York’s Young Israel of Scarsdale synagogue.

    “We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever, ever, be embarrassed about using Jewish power,” Dershowitz said, according to online media outlet Mondoweiss.

    “Jewish power, whether it be intellectual, academic, economic, political – in the interest of justice is the right thing to do.” https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/5/11/harvard-professor-suggests-whitewashing-israel-crimes-with-jewish-power

    This cheap man doesn’t want American voters decide how USA should deal with Israel He wants some bribed AIPAC endorsed lawmakers do that .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  247. @Alden

    The law in this case is an ass.

    Sorry but not sorry. I’m not reading beyond your first line, because you have not understood what I am saying.

    Go to Google. Type in: The Law is an Ass. Read what comes up.

    Then, post something new. Only once you understand. But not until you do understand.

    The law is an ass. And you are an ass for not taking the time to look that up.

    Correct yourself.

    Then we’ll talk. Not until.

    • Replies: @Alden
  248. @restless94110

    Max & Ep did underage girls and have all the steamy details on digital recordings [you know, the ones supposedly confiscated by the cops], so there should be ample evidence of either them or any other pedorast breaking the law, poking underage girls.

    There simply isn’t any excuse for this behavior [no matter how hard you try].

    Oh, and name calling is really a sign of moral weakness.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  249. Alden says:
    @restless94110

    I’m stating the laws that exist here and now in America.

    You’re off in a fantasy world claiming that because you believe it should be legal have sex with underage minors, turn your homes into brothels, and violate 18 USC by transporting men and women of any age back and forth between your brothels for the purposes of prostitution, the laws should be changed to allow you establish brothels full of underage girls.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  250. @Alden

    I’m in no fantasy world.

    I don’t care what laws exist today that didn’t exist at another time.

    I haven’t said a word about any of that idiotic nonsense you are saying that I “want.” What’s wrong with you, man? You are screaming like a hysterical old woman. Calm down.

    This is a fake prosecution. Maxwell will walk within 12 months.

  251. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Good post.

  252. @Daniel Rich

    You don’t know any of that. It has been alleged. Max denies it. No one has seen the “steamy” detail videos. It happened a long time ago. Most if not all of the girls were within months of the phony “age of consent.” All of them were paid. None of them were raped. A pederast is someone who is interested in sex with boys, so you are wrong there, as well.

    I agree with you on one thing though. The ones that have been calling me names for stating obvious truth do show a weakness morally but also weakness of being able to think and reason.

    You should ask yourself: Maxwell had 3 (or more?) legal passports and millions of dollars. She could have gone to France which does not honor extradition. Instead she bought a home in the United States. This is the opposite behavior of someone who is guilty of a crime in the US.

    It’s obvious she will walk. Only the hysterical overzealous prosecutor and her associates and those that are over her are pushing. They don’t care about justice. Being tried in the press used to be frowned upon. It can prejudice a jury. And all of this hysterical nonsense will be dismantled by competent legal counsel in the long run.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @anon
  253. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @restless94110

    May be this is the problem:

    Seth Rosen” “I’m afraid of Jews. I’m 100 percent afraid of Jews.”

    “On 27 July 2020 Rogen was interviewed on fellow Jewish comedian Marc Maron’s “insanely popular podcast” WTF. While on Maron’s program, Rogen questioned why those with “a secular Jewish identity” should feel “any cultural identification with the state of Israel.” Indeed, he admitted that the notion of a Jewish state made little sense to him. He said “Jewish statehood was the result of an “antiquated thought process” and was in truth, counterproductive. “Encouraging all Jews to live in one Jewish state is a nonsensical strategy for the preservation of Jewish peoplehood.”

    How did Rogen come to these conclusions? He credited his outlook to overcoming an incomplete and deceitful Jewish educational process. He explained that he had been “fed a huge amount of lies about Israel my entire life. You know, they never tell you, that oh by the way, there were people there.” In other words, the history of Israel he was taught never mentioned the Nakba, Occupied Territories, and collective imprisonment of the residents of the Gaza Strip and the like. It was just the story of “only democracy in the Middle East” and the “most moral army in the world.” As Marc Maron would say, “WTF”!

    Asked why a famous guy like himself had not previously spoken publicly about Israel, he noted that “I’m afraid of Jews. I’m 100 percent afraid of Jews.” Presumably not all Jews, just those allied to the State of Israel. Who can blame him? Most of the U.S. Congress feels the same way.”

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/18/seth-rogen-turns-the-truth-into-a-joke/

    • Replies: @restless94110
  254. @anon

    This is A problem, obviously.

    But it is not THE problem in this case.

    Rogen has never been funny in anything he has ever done. He has been promoted by Judd Apted, also Jewish. He is so stupid that it is no surprise he accidentally spilled the beans. But did you mention he later retracted it all and apologized?

    The Epstein thing was clearly a Mossad thing meant to take advantage of the Puritan nature of Americans: get a few girls to give a few blowjobs to rich and powerful Americans, video it and then use it to extract whatever it is you can extract.

    The venality of Mossad has been clear for at least 5 decades. But you should understand that the reason they could pull this kind of thing off is the fundamental weakness of America: the anti-sex Puritanism that still shines brightly, this time under the guise of feminism.

    Like shooting fish in a barrel. Epstein is no doubt happily enjoying life somewhere in the world. Maxwell will walk. Game over.

  255. @Alden

    No one cares at all about people who sell sex for money except hysterical females over 50. So why do you?

    I advocate nothing, fool. It’s illegal to smoke weed. Are you advocating long sentences for weed smokers? It sounds like you are. You really just hate human behavior, don’t you?

    The law is an ass. Violate it and face draconian cruel and unusual punishments (something prevented supposedly by the Constitution).

    Hang ’em high, citizen fascist. Against the founding principles of the United States. You fiddle while Rome burns. What a fool.

    Maxwell faces no consequences for anything. She will walk within 12 months.

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  256. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Most of the problems with Jews is with reformists. Orthodox do not recognize them as Jews, and it has cause conservatives some problems. The ones that dress in black with hats and curls for sideburns, are what the Pharisees became, and many of them still recognize them as such. I’ve had a few run-ins with them. They are often just as hateful as their religious predecessors.

  257. @restless94110

    No one cares at all about people who sell sex for money except hysterical females over 50. So why do you?

    I’m fairly sure that Alden is a hysterical female, and well over fifty(retired probation officer) so that’s why. Fits to a t.

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    , @restless94110
  258. @the grand wazoo

    Gerard Menuhin’s “Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil” is a book anyone who wants to understand the real reasons for both world wars needs to make its reading a priority. This is such a well-researched and significant book that I bought 5 copies from Castle Hill books in merry ole England.
    You won’t find it on Amazon, friends…no surprise there!

  259. Alden says:
    @acementhead

    Laws are laws and you, like restless probably violate them every day by looking at under age porn sites.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  260. @acementhead

    That would explain much of it. Thanks.

  261. @Alden

    Don’t project your own perversions on others, it’s a dead giveaway like the politician who gives speeches against homosexuality then is caught in a motel room with two men.

    Since you are retired and hysterical, I urge you to calm yourself and to help I recommend Harvey A Silverglate’s “Three Felonies a Day” That’s the estimate of how many laws each person in America violates every day.

    Hope this helps you some.

    And Maxwell will walk in 12 months or under.

  262. @Curmudgeon

    Sorry, I’m not buying it. Although it is technically true that we don’t “know” that Dershowitz is lying, the probability that he is telling the truth is somewhere on the order of 1.0 x 10^-15 — i.e., virtually 0. We didn’t have cameras in the room, but we ought to be able to make correct inferences.

  263. Art says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I’m not a Jew, but I am acquainted with several, and have had dealings with them for over 50 years. They are not a monolith,

    Hmm — question Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and you will see monolith – end of story.

  264. I have been acquainted with several Jews who do, in fact, question the treatment of Palestinians. One old couple, now deceased, were huge supporters of “the homeland” but very opposed to Israeli expansion. I repeat, Jews are not a monolith.

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  265. Hubert says:

    Funny how Dershowitz never seems to retract any of his disgusting slurs against people, even when it can be conclusively shown that they are nothing but slurs. https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/11227/dershowitz-v-finkelstein Here is a link of Finkelstein confronting him in a restaurant about one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktlBCXrZXHE

  266. Art says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I have been acquainted with several Jews who do, in fact, question the treatment of Palestinians. One old couple, now deceased, were huge supporters of “the homeland” but very opposed to Israeli expansion. I repeat, Jews are not a monolith.

    Some time ago, a Jew posted that 85% of all Jews are Israeli supporters. He was saying that these Jews are “true believers” – that they will irrationally support Israel through thick and thin.

    Your old Jew friends prove the point. We can be sure that every Jew has a little different take on Israel. After all they are Jews. “Two Jews – three opinions.”

  267. then there’s that photo taken at Harvard of Dershowitz standing before Epstein (wearing a Harvard t-shirt) – smiling reverently at the pedophile
    gag
    even clever psycopaths drop their guard sometimes

  268. chuckywiz says:
    @the grand wazoo

    ANTI-SEMITE ALERT
    CODE COLOR MAGENTA

    Where is my anti semite detector when I needed it most.

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