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The Pentagon’s B-Movie
Looking Closely at the September 2001 Attacks
by Graeme MacQueen
rat haus reality press, 15 March 2023

This free eBook (click on the links above) by Graeme MacQueen contains a collection of his articles and essays on the attacks of September 11, 2001, the subsequent anthrax attacks, and analyses of other false flag operations. They are profoundly important and shatter the official versions of those events. No one reading this book can come away from it not convinced that the U.S. government is a terrorist state. MacQueen’s conclusions are not based on rhetoric but on a deep empirical analyses, facts not propaganda. With this volume, Graeme MacQueen takes his place alongside David Ray Griffin as a prophet without honor in his own time. History will declare him a hero. To write the following introduction is a great honor, for my esteem for Graeme and his work is immense.



by Edward Curtin

Graeme MacQueen’s work is a testament to a man devoted to the search for truth and the freedom and peace that ensue from its discovery. I think it is surely not an accident that he is a Buddhist scholar and a former professor of religious and peace studies. In this regard, he reminds me of two other inspired theologians who carry the message of love and peace into the political realm where their extraordinary writing has given great hope to those yearning for truth and justice: James W. Douglass and David Ray Griffin, the former the great JFK scholar and the latter the author of a dozen or so groundbreaking books on the events of September 11, 2001.

In this book, which is a primer on government propaganda, Graeme continues to teach how illusions must be punctured and the veil of government secrecy parted, lessons gleaned from the core of the world’s religions. That the truth will set us free is the essence of these teachings. Yet truth is a hard taskmaster and requires great courage, fortitude, and determination, which Graeme possesses in abundance, both in his person and in his writing.

Exposing the lies of the official versions of September 11, 2001, the anthrax attacks, etc. takes guts, for it causes conflict with family, friends, and authorities. It brands one a ”conspiracy theorist” who has lost his reason. In Graeme’s case this is hilarious, for you will nowhere find a writer who is less doctrinaire and who sticks more closely to evidence. In fact, I, an impetuous type, have sometimes found his approach a bit too cautious, but I have always come around to see the value in it and to trust that his conclusions are based on rigorous logic and evidence.

Sometimes a photograph can reveal a person’s soul. I think the photo of Graeme that precedes his preface, taken in 2006 when he first embarked on his writing about the official lies of September 11, 2001, truly shows his spirit. Although in his late fifties, he looks very boyish, a bit of a rake, but with the countenance of a man deeply disturbed by what he is seeing through the eidola of official propaganda. There is a trace of both sorrow and determination in his eyes. His behatted head suggests a man ready to fish for truth in the deepest depths of an ocean of lies.

As a Buddhist scholar who has long known that creative writing and speech come freely from a state of mind different from, and higher than, the normal, I think it is self-evident that his inspired writing in this book is the result of a mind clarified by the realization that the inner and outer cannot be divorced, that life and death are one, and that looking out involves looking in.

For it seems to me self-evident, that those who oppose the consensus realty of a cruel and violent social order are also trying to redeem themselves from the profound tricks the ego plays on us all, while they probe the deceptions of official propaganda. And while Graeme does not explicitly state the connections between his religious writing and research and the political analyses in this book, it is evident that his work makes manifest that “Reality” is one whole, and that the isolated individual self that separates the personal from the political has led to a badly broken world.

About a decade ago, I had the privilege of being asked to review his brilliant book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, that forms the basis for a few of the chapters in this collection. We became great friends. And if I have yet to say anything about the content of The Pentagon’s B-Movie, it is because while it is obvious that books are written by human beings (although this is changing with AI), who those authors really are is often elided.

“Great men do not play stage tricks with the doctrines of life and death: only little men do that,” wrote John Ruskin. As a compelling exposer of official stage tricks, Graeme is great, but you would never hear it from him.

He is humble and self-deprecating in the extreme. His laugh and sense of humor is contagious, although his writing only reflects this in a sentence here or there. But I have learned that those without a sense of humor or the ability to laugh at themselves are not to be trusted. Egos block the door to truth. And even as he has battled very serious illness over recent years, Graeme’s laughter on the subject of death is to me a sign of a man pure of heart and grateful for his life in all its complexity.

The articles in this collection were written over a span of sixteen years. Divided into three sections, they intersect to form a devastating critique of multiple matters, such as the government assassinations of JFK and MLK, various false flag events, but most especially September 11, 2001 and the subsequent anthrax attacks. It is impossible to read them sequentially and not be convinced of their truths. Each in its turn, reinforces the adage that “the emperor has no clothes.” More so, by stripping away every claim of the official narratives step-by-step, we see the emperor skinless as well, a skeleton caught dead to rights with its lethal lies conclusively exposed.

In many ways, the opening chapter, “9/11: The Pentagon’s B-Movie,” a tour-de-force, serves to foreshadow many of the themes that follow, concluding with “The Triumph of the Official Narrative: How the TV Networks Hid the Twin Towers Explosive Demolition on 9/11” with co-author Ted Walter.

Graeme makes clear from the start that it is the moving images of television and film that are central to the official propaganda. This is Plato’s allegory of the cave updated where shadows on the wall are used to delude people into not seeing what obviously happened if they turned toward the light. As he writes:

This “9/11 movie” reveals itself to careful investigators as scripted, directed and produced by the U.S. national security state. The movie does not represent the real world. It violates the rules operative in the real world, including the laws of physics. Audiences will remain in thrall to the spectacle and violence of the War on Terror only as long as they remain mesmerized by the B-movie of 9/11.

But as he knows, B-movies are often popular, especially when they are of the horror genre with their ability to traumatize the viewers, even when they might suspect they are being taken for a ride. One enters a monster film with belief suspended and often leaves it forgetting it was an illusion, for the movie has penetrated deep into one’s psyche. “Only when people sense the genuine danger,” he tells us, “and leave behind fiction and special effects will they be in a position to deal with the real monster that confronts us.” This demands seeing the evil and pitiless oligarchy responsible for 9/11 as the monsters they are.

Such truth can only be distinguished from the shadows when the audience leaves the theater of the absurd, exits into the light, and snaps out of the hypnotic state. Many never do, especially because the movies are not confined to movie theaters anymore. They are integral to modern day-to-day screen life. The moving images in people’s heads often supplant reality, as Graeme makes clear:

But imagine what would happen if audiences remained convinced by the suspension of the laws of physics after they left the theatre? This, it seems to me, is what has happened with the events of September 11, 2001. Many people are still deceived by the special effects. They are still captured by the movie of 9/11.

And since the only way to exit from such horrors is mental, one often needs a wise guide. Graeme is that guide.

This book will jolt you back to reality with its concluding chapters where TV video news reports are used to show how the official narrative was quickly fashioned after initial television reports clearly showed that the buildings were blown up from within. MacQueen again:

Our conclusion was that evidence-free claims, combined with repetition and a dramatic yarn, were the major mechanisms used. We also found that the evident precision and coordination demonstrate the existence of—yes, we should acknowledge it—an extremely ambitious and detailed conspiracy.[my emphasis]

In conclusion, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention how Graeme uses the concept of imagination as a probe to understand how it can be used to manipulate images by propagandists, particularly through moving images, but also how it can be used as a first step in undermining those official narratives. In this regard his castigation of leftists — Noam Chomsky Alexander Cockburn, Chris Hedges, et al. – and leftist media for their acceptance of the official lies of the JFK assassination and September 11, is significant. These people, by their overt or covert support of the government’s propaganda, have been key cogs in its success. Graeme writes:

Indeed, much of the Western left leadership and associated media not only trusted the FBI while ignoring Furtado, Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly and Fidel Castro; they also, through silence and ridicule, worked to prevent serious public discussion of the 9/11 controversy.

Among the U.S. left media that kept the silence, partially or wholly, are:

Monthly Review
Common Dreams
Huffington Post
The Nation
The Real News
Democracy Now!
Z Magazine
The Progressive
Mother Jones

Thus all these leftists, no matter what they say in their defense, bear great moral responsibility for the so-called War on Terror, the Patriot Act, the invasion of Iraq, the deaths of Muslims, etc., all of which emanate from the insider attacks of September 11 and the subsequent anthrax attacks. With leftists like these, the CIA’s courting of “the compatible left” (a term coined by the CIA’s Cord Meyer), begun in the 1950s, has achieved its greatest success. The pacification of the liberal/left bourgeoise has been extremely successful and continues to the present day.

There is no need for me to tell you more about the material in this great book. Just read it. As an adjunct to Graeme’s fundamental book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, this work tears off the veil of lies that has become the normative order for so many over the past few decades.

Whether this work frees many from the official lies or not, it is clear that Graeme has fulfilled his destiny to set us all free, if we so choose.

He pulls no punches and shows how September 11, 2001 and the anthrax attacks are an integrated inside job, serving to reinforce each other. You can ask no more of anyone.

He is an exemplar of a beautiful human being and a writer of profound importance.

This collection confirms that.

(Republished from Edward Curtin by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Ron Unz says:

    I’d very strongly recommend MacQueen’s anthrax book, which was excellent. I’ve also seen him give an excellent 9/11 presentation on the testimony of so many of the first responders that they’d heard explosions throughout the towers, obviously contradicting the standard narrative. And although I haven’t read this collection of articles, I’d assume they’re also very solid.

    However, I’ve been told that MacQueen apparently leaves out any discussion of the likely “Who” and “Why” behind the 9/11 Attacks, an unfortunate but very understandable omission. However, I personally consider that issue of great importance, and for those interested in my own analysis, I’d recommend my summary discussion from the twentieth anniversary:

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski, TKK, follyofwar
  2. Kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    However, I’ve been told that MacQueen apparently leaves out any discussion of the likely “Who” and “Why” behind the 9/11 Attacks, an unfortunate but very understandable omission.

    Agreed, Mr Ron. And to your own important work exploring the “who and why” questions, I’d also recommend Laurent Guynot’s essays.

    As for the above forword by Mr Curtin, my own appetite is wetted (and I speak as one already very jaded by the 9.11 and the JFK topics after so many years of reading about them).

    I can also think of several “normies” and/or fence-sitters who may well be tempted to read on, based on the glowing words above.

    Brother notsofast, if you happen to see this comment, maybe Mr Curtin’s article will stimulate the interest of your own beloved sister..?

    Many thanks, Mr Curtin, and much love to all,

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Gerry K
  3. A. Clifton says: • Website

    cui bono….?

    hint : The Synagogue of Satan

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  4. Notsofast says:

    just found it now, sister kali and look forward to reading it. as to my much beloved biological sister, she has made it clear to me that she is uncomfortable discussing any of my “conspiracy theories”, she will dismiss out of hand anything i attempt to offer her. i gave her bobby kennedy’s book and she refused to open the cover, as he is a “nut case anti-vaxxer”. she sent me a holiday card with a family pic and in her letter she said they will never go out in public again without a mask. this is woman with a degree in biology from cornell university. quite frankly i have given up trying because i don’t want to damage our relationship. i just pray my niece doesn’t give her kids any boosters, but i dare not ask as it is a sore subject.

    the worst part of all of this, is that propaganda and brainwashing are incredibly effective tools at getting a population to police themselves in an orwellian police state, where “leftists” demand more state sponsored censorship and lgbtq’s demand more weapons for ukraine.

    at least i don’t have to worry about you giving your kids boosters, tell poly, horu and their kids, uncle notsofast says haaaày.

    • Agree: follyofwar
    • Thanks: GMC, Kali
  5. It was the night before 911 and all through the night
    Undertaker and Big Boss Man were going against
    Those Towers of Doom —
    George was to be in Miami and all the floors wired
    Someone in the basement of White House—

  6. saggy says: • Website

    How the TV Networks Hid the Twin Towers Explosive Demolition on 9/11” with co-author Ted Walter.

    More garbage from UR.

    • Troll: MarkU
  7. Oggidi says:

    Did not find the free ebook link for download. Is there one?

    • Replies: @RestiveUs
  8. Yes, the Who? and the Why? are the important questions. “Inside job” doesn’t explain anything. Anyone who’s hasn’t already rejected the Miracle of the Two Airplanes, Three Skyscrapers is a hopeless sheep anyway.

  9. What a stupid article. Author didn’t say anything. Anyway – most people know 9/11 was an obvious inside job but it was over 21 years ago and nothing has been done. People should have protested at the time but we didn’t and now it’s too late.

    • Agree: Legba
    • Replies: @QCIC
  10. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    If he won’t “name names” ,doesn’t that kind of let the air out of his work? The whole purpose of 9/11 research is to expose the guilty.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  11. onebornfree says: • Website

    “This “9/11 movie” reveals itself to careful investigators as scripted, directed and produced by the U.S. national security state. The movie does not represent the real world. It violates the rules operative in the real world, including the laws of physics. “

    Graeme who? Never heard of him before.

    This just in:

    The original 9/11 movie lasted 102 minutes and was simultaneously broadcast “live” on all 5 MSM US networks, [ABC,CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC], on the morning of Sept. 11 2001.

    As researcher Simon Shack has clearly demonstrated in his 2008 “September Clues” series, ALL of the “live” footage broadcast that morning, including that depicting the Fl.175 collision with WTC2 , and the subsequent “collapses” of WTC’s 1, 2 and 7, is 100% fake footage, pre-fabricated on computers [i.e computer generated imagery , or “C.G.I.”].

    See: “Simon Shacks Incredible “September Clues” 9/11 Research Series”;

    Regards, onebornfree

  12. About a decade ago, I had the privilege of being asked to review his brilliant book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, that forms the basis for a few of the chapters in this collection.

    If Author Curtin had the high regard for Graeme MacQueen he claims, he’d have restricted the suggested reading to the stuff MacQueen does well. The Anthrax of course was of course a way to frighten Representatives and Senators into mindless compliance.

    2. War On Terror or War On Democracy? The Physical Intimidation of Legislatures
    8. False Flag Terror and the Passage of the Patriot Act, 2001

    Why couldn’t you just pretend the baloney he wrote didn’t exist?

    Remember Pearl Harbor: Provoking Japan, Provoking North Korea, 6 Dec 2020
    This one was evidence MacQueen knows nothing about WW2. From the above piece:

    Robert Stinnett served in the U.S. Navy in WWII. He spent 17 years researching the Pearl Harbor events before bringing out, in 2000, his book, Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor. I find his argument, based on solid documentary evidence unearthed through Freedom of Information requests, convincing.

    Stinnett was a fanatical fool whose book I once purchased, then finally threw into a fire. It was that bad.

    Mr. MacQueen knows nothing about technology either. Prepared demolitions weren’t the only way explosions could have happened in the Twin Towers. The man may be a fantastic religious scholar, but on some topics he’s as gullible as an elementary school kid.

    • Troll: bike-anarkist
  13. As an Israeli dissident who does not accept the Zionist narrative nor the biblical narrative upon which it is based, I would like to clarify that being a dissident and being a vocal dissident, has its price. It does cause disharmony in the family, it does bring about broken friendships and relationships, it does create social and emotional isolation for the dissident, and it does make social life very difficult at times. On the other hand it opens up new social opportunities and the opportunity for new friendships and relationships. However, above all, it provides one with a unity between one’s mind one’s soul and one’s emotions. One does not have to live in a state of disassociation nor in a state of denial. Rather it permits an overall unity of being.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Thanks: GomezAdddams, Vito Klein
  14. Wild Man says:
    @A. Clifton

    Yes, ….. the recent economic discussions on other threads has reminded me that the correct perspective to take (as I have offered all along, in other threads, with respect to other false narrative topics occurring in our culture), in order to untangle and identify ‘who benefited’, would be to question who the common parties are (at the interfaces), among those that populate these camps:

    1) Those that have more-so benefited, in the period since 1980, at which approx. time the U.S. embarked on a transition towards financialization of the overall economy, as such rewarding those with enough capital so as to have access to lower interest debt that is generally offered (to these folks) at a rate lower than the non-jigged CPI measures, ….. that has been a feature of the overall economy that has been more or less fixed in place for the past 40 years, …. rendering the non-jigged price deflation the overall economy would otherwise be enjoying (because of the continuance of the ongoing fruits of human ingenuity) as some price inflation action instead (though I do think the controllers of this racket aim for only mild price inflation, generally ….. isn’t this fed policy after all?), ….. with the resulting ‘vig’ (i.e. – ‘vig’ as in the profits available, for the very biggest fish, by way of taking on debt at rates less than a static [not growing] non-monopolized business would be expected to throw off, on average, each year, …. rendering the business project for these biggest fish as ‘rent-seeking’ simply by reinvesting these debt-fueled funds towards any which enterprise). Of course, across the biggest-fish spectrum, there was a variety of risk profiles applied (added on) to this basic risk-free backbone. As such the biggest fish, over the last 40 years, began to eat the lunch of everyone else (the vast, vast majority), by way of ‘eating’ (stealing) the asset growth the average person would have otherwise enjoyed, by way of the additional savings that would accrue for the average person due to a price deflation enjoyed by all. More recently, this dynamic has only seemed to strengthen. This dynamic has resulted in a big skew in the measure of overall assets owned by the very richest.

    So who precisely, are the individuals in this camp? Well, primarily, first and foremost, it is the billionaires – no?

    2) Technocratic insiders, who themselves do not possess capital at the level of the biggest fish (but generally, this group is still very wealthy), but are well positioned to skim off the #1 racket, as per the rewards that accrue to those technocrats within the various silos of expertise within the overall culture, that are at the top echelon of that particular silo (i.e. – they are well-paid to ensure, in a variety of ways over a variety of cultural silos, that the racket outlined in #1, is left to continue to run rampant)

    3) Everyone else

    Look, …. I am just going to say it. Though all this is sponsored first and foremost within the financial power structures in the U.S. and UK, it is a worldwide phenomenon nevertheless, by way of the impetus towards globalization among these faux-west financial power structures. In terms of whole world demographic, #1 camp is 25% Jewish, and #2 camp appears to be 25% Jewish, which, …. as measured in terms of whole world demographics works out to be about a 100x over-weighting for the Jewish tribe – no? So, …. to answer the question in my first paragraph above, …. who are the common parties (at the interfaces), among those that populate these 3 camps? Well, …. I think you could make the case that it wasn’t 25% Jewish (with the resultant 100x over-weighting) 40 years ago, within camp #2, though of course muchly elevated even then (and perhaps the same is true of camp #1). It has become a phenomenon that is even more and more Jewish, as the last 40 years has transpired.

    I think the larger worldwide Jewish community proper needs to address this. This dynamic I am pointing to, seems to be sponsored by the larger Jewish community proper, because of the growing one-sided (tribe-wise) interfaces between #2 and #3, ….. which is problematic, to say the least – no?

  15. The two “Jack Ruby” moments for me with respect to the 9-11 incident were always the anthrax angle and of course the destruction of WTC 7.

    The anthrax episode was immediately memory-holed because I suppose the tie in with 9-11 would have been too difficult to develop for a zombified audience used to 3 second soundbites on TV that are framed towards an instant conclusion not needing further scrutiny unless you are one of those deranged “conspiracy theorists”.

    Maybe it was also an early beta test for Covid, both for introduction and shut-off. If so, the shutoff certainly worked for those who noticed how the Ukraine situation immediately displaced 24/7/365 pandemic reporting.

    The WTC 7 moment I thought would be problematic but again I fooled myself with my naive assumption that people like to think or at least take pause when their lying eyes see something as huge as a 47 story building fall into it’s footprint in a downtown area for no apparent reason.

    No such luck as apparently the boobies suckle from the boob tube much more than I thought possible.

    Personal anecdote. I met a friend at a reunion for our championship chess team from high school days and we all went for a big lunch. He was a successful civil engineer who had just sold his firm for large change. During lunch, another friend who shares the 911 anomalies with me asked him about WTC 7. He replied that he doesn’t know what is being asked. I interjected and said it was related to 9-11. He mumbled something with a giggle about conspiracy theories and stated that he is not ignorant of the topic having not long ago attended an engineering conference dedicated to 9-11.

    I asked him how many engineers were in attendance. He replied about 600. I further asked him if anything about WTC7 was discussed. He replied “no”.

    My other friend was about to launch into a WTC7 diatribe but I waved him off. No point. It would just ruin a lunch and I hadn’t seen some of these guys for 40 years.

    So the ignorance, willful or otherwise is far more profound than one can imagine. For those who can see through the MSM bullshit, it borders on mind boggling. We are essentially strangers in a strange land. And not welcome even by the ‘good’ people.


    • Agree: Rev. Spooner
    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  16. On January 11, 2001 during a speaking engagement, Lyndon LaRouche warned that the nomination o John Ashcroft would mean that Congress is finished and we would be looking at a Reichstag Fire event in the United States. The assessment was correct, Ashcroft was nominated, 9/11 took place and we had what had been warned about.

    • Replies: @Durangojo
  17. To give the devil his due (his column was called BEAT the DEVIL) and if my memory serves me well, Alexander Cockburn’s support of the Oswald as sole gunman theory was apparently due to Cockburn’s celebration of Oswald as a successful leftist hero fighting the capitalist establishment, like the successful anarchist assassins of the late 19th and early 20th century.

    This same mindset led Cockburn to a belief in the sept 11th narrative of the “little guys” socking it to the “man” ie the capitalist/state symbols of the twin towers and the pentagon.

    This same anti establishment mindset led Cockburn to throw his weight against Al Gore’s global warming racket.

    Batting .333 ain’t so bad in baseball. In politics? You be the judge.

  18. DanFromCT says:

    More garbage from UR

    Do I understand you correctly? Do you actually believe that nineteen Arabs who couldn’t handle a Cessna 150 trainer with a flight instructor sitting next to them one day were magically able on the next day to fly Boeing jetliners into the Twin Towers at break up speed, or fly into the Pentagon using maneuvers that seasoned airline pilots with thousands of hours have said they couldn’t duplicate? Sure, happens all the time in fantasyland.

    And when it’s magical, of course, even the natural laws of physics are no obstacle to buildings demo-ing at free-fall speed into their own footprint or steel in the wreckage remaining molten for weeks. Of course it happened that way if the TV networks say so, saggy, with at least a hundred other magical anomalies waved away by fairytales for fools and children.

    • Agree: TKK
  19. FifthDim says:

    Why not believe our honorable government investigation conclusion.

    The government found a passport from one of the attackers that fell out of his jacket right after the aircraft hit the tower,
    This led them to investigate the connection to Osama Ben Laden, since there was strong evidence that the passport owner went to school with Osama.
    The rest of the terrorist were trained to fly Cessnas using Microsoft’s flight simulator in a cave in Afghanistan, since Cessnas had the same flight controls technology the aircrafts that hit building 1, 2 had.
    BBC had information that building 6 was going to collapse 1 minute before it happened. This is sufficient evidence of our security agencies investigating efficiency.

    Based on all this irrefutable evidence, why believe in conspiracy theorists?

    In 50 years we will still be reading conspiracy scrap because some people cannot accept the government truth.

    Sorry, I am so upset that tonight I will take 3 Soma pills. The Telescreen started working again after Oceania was attacked, so, I will stop here.
    Tomorrow Ministry of Truth release will be amazing.

    • LOL: MarkU
  20. wilsonization

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  21. @onebornfree

    You know OBF, I’d never heard of this Simon Shack bloke until some other individuals in another UR thread mentioned his name. And the more I heard of his assertions, the more I knew WITH CERTAINTY, that he was a fraud.
    And there’s a reason for my never having heard his name before, despite having done a ton of research on the 9/11 False Flag.

    It’s because I only focus on info from 9/11 researchers with integrity. And NOT ONE of them ever mentioned this bloke.

    You’re saying that this Shack bloke claims that UA.175’s collision with WTC2 , and the subsequent “collapses” of WTC’s 1, 2 and 7, is 100% fake footage.
    And you believed him ?

    Have a look at this video below (you need only watch the few minutes after 2:00 if you’re pressed for time:

    That is a REAL video showing the plane impacting with WTC 2 (the Sth tower).
    Those are REAL people expressing their shock and horror in REAL time.
    Nothing fake in that video, no CGI whatsoever.

    The plane that impacted with WTC 2 was NOT UA175, the plane that the official bogus USG narrative claims was hijacked.
    It was a drone 767 that was remotely guided and thus was capable of the precision manoeuvres and impact with the designated spot on WTC, likely guided by a homing device.
    Needless to say, there were no passengers and crew on board.

    Similarly, even though there is only one piece of film footage showing the impact with the Nth tower (the Naudet brothers film), it too is real.

    The plane that struck WTC 1, was also a drone.

    So OBF, first step in learning the truth about 9/11 is avoiding obvious disinfo peddlers like this Shack-of-shit bloke.
    Stick to the tried and trusted researchers like Christopher Bollyn and USMC Lt-Col (ret) Field McConnell. and you won’t go wrong.

  22. It was only natural that the violence and destruction inherent in the US Empire’s conquest of the periphery would work back towards the center. Many countries suffering under US military occupation and illegal economic sanctions (an act of war in the UN Charter) suffer their own 9/11 once a month or so, and nobody inside the Matrix says squat. Just ask Libya, Afghanistan, Venezuela, or Syria, just to name a few.

    When our conversations give the same gravitas and meaning to people and planet that we now reserve for ugly 70’s corporate temples filled with bankers and CIA front organizations, it might start to feel like we learned something. At the very least the perps would need to stop getting reelected and celebrated daily by the Uniparty and her media enablers. What a joke.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  23. dearieme says:

    How odd. The daughter of a friend was there when the second plane struck. Was she hallucinating?

  24. Edward Curtin writes:

    He [Graeme MacQueen] reminds me of two other inspired theologians who carry the message of love and peace …. [who have] given great hope to those yearning for truth and justice: James W. Douglass and David Ray Griffin, the former the great JFK scholar ….

    Is this the same James W. Douglass that was too GUTLESS to mention in his book the Dimona nuclear facility in the Apartheid Israeli state that JFK sought to shut down ?

    Is this the same Douglass that does not mention the heated arguments that JFK had with David Ben Gurion over inspections of said nuclear facility (the latter claiming falsely that it was not for the manufacture of nuclear weapons but instead for nuclear power generation) ?

    Is this the same Douglass who makes very little mention (if any) of the 180 degree reversal in U.S foreign policy in the Middle East that instantly occurred when the first Jewish President (LBJ) took the reins of power ?

    Is this the same Douglass that make no mention of LBJ’s role in JFK’s murder and the subsequent cover up of the crime ?

    Bottom Line: If you’re yearning for TRUTH and JUSTICE on the JFK assassination, I would suggest you give James W. Douglass a wide berth.

    Douglass knew that mentioning the Zionist/Israeli angle would ensure that he’d never get his book published with any of the major book publishers (since the Zio miscreants own or control all of them).
    And if Douglass can’t get published he forfeits a ton of money in book royalties.

    So Douglass opted for the 30 shekels of silver on offer and prostituted himself to his Zio overlords – who were only too happy to widely promote YET ANOTHER BOOK THAT DEFLECTS* ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS of the JFK coup d’etat.

    (*That’s not to say that the CIA’s James Angleton wasn’t a pivotal figure in orchestrating JFK’s demise. But what Douglass is too much of a COWARD to point out is that the CIA, like the Mossad and Britain’s MI6, is a SUBORDINATE ENTITY that is subservient to ZOG, and always has been from the day of its creation).

    • Replies: @Tony Hall
    , @Corpse Tooth
  25. Durangojo says:
    @Abdul Alhazred

    Thanks Abdul, I’ve never seen this video, very enlightening.

  26. Anonymous[867] • Disclaimer says:

    8 wars, millions dead, 1 nobel peace prize, 0 sanctions, 0 ICC arrest warrants

    Why the criminal ICC does not arrest the following WAR CRIMINALS?

  27. MarkU says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    You are right, there are loads of people out there promoting ludicrous, deliberately unbelievable garbage in a blatant attempt to fit us all up for tinfoil hats.

  28. MarkU says:

    There really ought to be a credulous moron button.

  29. MGB says:
    @Priss Factor

    Not a damn thing humorous about that video. You could add the clip of Charlton Heston on the beach cursing what had been done to his civilization.

  30. Edward Curtin, your article is long-winded, elitist-supremacist tripe. Who does MacQueen say did 9/11? Just answer the question without any crap.

  31. @Truth Vigilante

    It was a drone 767 that was remotely guided and thus was capable of the precision manoeuvres and impact with the designated spot on WTC, likely guided by a homing device.
    Needless to say, there were no passengers and crew on board.

    Similarly, even though there is only one piece of film footage showing the impact with the Nth tower (the Naudet brothers film), it too is real.

    The plane that struck WTC 1, was also a drone.

    What about the passengers and crew members? Their family, friends and coworkers? Are they all part of the conspiracy? Crisis actors? A couple of hundred people (passengers and crew members) are missing. If they did not perish in the four hijacked planes, where are they?

    • Agree: mark green
  32. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    One book I found interesting is’ The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror’ by the late (suicide) Philip Marshall who also penned a previous 9/11 book. A retired airline pilot, he approached the subject from his field of expertise, flying. He departs from most 9/11 skeptics in that he is dismissive of the pre-planted explosives idea and also claimed to have been somewhat involved in the Iran-Contra goings-on which can’t really be verified. However, he shows how tightly planned and coordinated the 9/11 attacks really were. The level of skill shown in flying those jumbo jets required intensive and lengthy training, instructors, airplanes to practice on and discrete airfields where such training could take place, manuals linguistically understandable to the trainees, a security system where all this could take place out of the eye of too many people and so on. Only a state actor has the resources to do all this. He points a finger at the Saudis and since most of the supposed hijackers were Saudis it’s reasonable to suspect their government of being the recruiter in the Arab world of sucker martyrdom seekers. There’s a number of nuggets to be extracted to go along with some of the other writers.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  33. Tony Hall says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    No doubt the same phenomena will kick in when well-paid Cass Sunstein-style infiltrators go to work to plant nonsense narratives in order to discredit the solidly-based interpretations unmasking the full extent of the dishonesty pushed on us throughout the ongoing manufactured COVID crisis.

  34. Tony Hall says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    And what About Prof. DRG on the same subject of what gets highlighted and what gets left out?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  35. dms578 says:

    here we go again. My brother a highly decorated FDNY HAZMAT expert was in charge of the examination of site both in ’01 and ’93. He found exactly ZERO EVIDENCE of any incendiary devices in any of the buildings. He almost had an apoplexy when this conspiracy garbage started Building 7 was a storage site for NYPD contraband as I recall and NO ONE DOWN THERE WAS AT ALL SURPRISED IT EXPLODED. They would have been more surprised if it hadn’t. I saw some video yeas ago of a few firemen sitting outside talking about the so called explosion sounds from site. I believe my brother said it was due to the edifices “pancaking” as they collapsed.
    He personally contacted every single Chief in the department to ask whether they found ANY credibility in these claims and all said NO.
    He still is unable to locate one responder who agrees with this although for his sanity he had to stop contacting some of the arm chair actors. It appears some of these people have affected families of victims and they should be ashamed of themselves.
    I am not saying I have reached any firm conclusions about the actors behind this attack but I do know with absolute certainty there was no incendiary devices in use.

  36. @Sam Hildebrand

    On that point, and any other mass shootings confirmed or denied, wouldn’t the best way of checking the veracity of the incident being checking advertised funeral announcements in the given area?

    I have never understood this lapse, nor had the time or inclination to check further because it is not my issue but most importantly, it gives me the creeps.



  37. Nobody is going to mention this amazing documentary by Massimo Mazzucco:

    Part 1/3

    Part 2/3

    Part 3/3

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  38. @Truth Vigilante

    Why go through the elaborate procedure of substituting the planes with empty drones and not just fly the planes with passengers and crew by remote into the buildings? It saves flying those passengers and crew in the other planes to some base for their execution. The planes can be flown by remote as easily as drones, no?(You may have answered this before but it’s hard to keep up with so much information).

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  39. QCIC says:
    @Hang All Text Drivers

    Most people accept the official narrative 100%. The middle ground is probably made up of people who accept the story of the twin towers but wonder why the USA attacked Iraq after the hijackers were identified as Saudi.

  40. @dms578

    The surprise is not that the buildings exploded or collapsed; the surprise is that the buildings collapsed exactly on their footprints, an impossible feat for a randomly collapsing building. Three skyscrapers collapsed exactly on their footprints that day. Even well planned controlled demolitions go wrong – check Youtube for videos; here there are three uncontrolled collapses, on the same day, next to each other, following fires, and yet all the three buildings exactly collapsed like a controlled demolition, no strike that, like a concertino. Isn’t surprising?

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
  41. Thomasina says:

    “If he won’t “name names” ,doesn’t that kind of let the air out of his work? The whole purpose of 9/11 research is to expose the guilty.”

    Not really. It just keeps him from being sued. If he were to name names and he got something wrong, even something minor, they’d come after him.

    Better for him to just present the evidence/facts. If people begin to question the official narrative, they’re more open to examine other narratives they believed in (Anthrax, JFK, WMD, Russiagate, Covid, etc.) This creates doubt, and the next time they’re asked to swallow something whole, they’re not going to. Eventually the “evil monsters” wouldn’t even dare to try to pull off another 9-11. Once trust is lost, there’s nothing left (except government guns making you comply).

    Liars and thieves always do themselves in. Arrogance.

  42. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Lots of people saying what you should think over and over, louder and louder. Not too many people saying what MacQueen thinks. His investigation of AMERITHRAX concluded that the tight coordination and foreshadowing of the two crimes shows that banned biological weapons attacks were an integral part of the WTC extravaganza.

    So ask yourself, who can demolish a state-owned infrastructure enterprise of zip-code scale AND break banned biological weapons out of secure storage?

    Nobody but the command structure of the US government. And not just any old command structure but a command structure with the arbitrary power to break federal and conventional international law and direct law enforcement at all levels. To attack its own population, enforcing public acquiescence to a pretext for the crime of aggression and illegal repression.

    One institution has the impunity that takes. CIA.

    • Thanks: 1jonny
  43. @Ron Unz

    “… I personally consider that issue of great importance”

    9/11 had aspects of a ritual common in a religious system developed in BCE Babylon. It’s a system that has infected most indigenous religions and cultures of the Near East and Europe. It’s the religion of the not-so hidden breakaway civilization that controls advanced technologies, actual science (not the Scientism garbage), and high-finance sectors.

  44. @Old Brown Fool

    “Three skyscrapers collapsed exactly on their footprints that day.”

    What does that say about the capabilities of the network responsible for 9/11?

  45. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    TV: “That is a REAL video showing the plane impacting with WTC 2 (the Sth tower).
    Those are REAL people expressing their shock and horror in REAL time.
    Nothing fake in that video, no CGI whatsoever.”

    Hah! Too funny! I watched it. As with 100’s of other similar clips, it’s 100% fake, , for numerous reasons, none of which I will get into here – no need to discuss/argue here, its pointless- way too messy outside of a 1 on 1 situation. {If you , or someone else here wants some specific reasons as to why its fake, email me from the address given at my website and I’ll see what I can do.}

    That being said, if you and other dupes want to believe the clip is genuine, fine, have at it. It’s no skin off my nose 🙂

    At least we agree on the big picture: 9/11 was an inside job, right?

    Having experienced your type of responce to my “wacky” assertions many times in the last 15 years [ie post 2008] I was fully expecting this type of comment from somebody here, its just “par for the course”.

    However, I’m still, even after those 15 years of similar responses, alternately amused or dismayed by such responses from otherwise intelligent- sounding individuals.

    Fact: The 9/11 “Truth” Movement appears to 99% consist of willing dupes, [i.e “controlled opposition”] – practically all of it engaged in the entirely superficial and mostly useless analysis of 100% fake footage [which has, without any actual evidence, has been automatically, conveniently, unquestioningly assumed to be genuine], of “plane into building” or “tower collapse” video sequences, in order to “prove” to the world that: drones [ or holograms] were employed, and that the towers were demolished [top down, no less, 🙂 ] , via nukes or mini-nukes or some-such.

    It all gets, very, very tedious.

    I’ll repeat my “ridiculous” assertions:

    Regardless of origin, all footage [either network MSM TV or “amateur”], of Fl. 175 striking WTC2 is 100% pre-fabricated CGI imagery, as is all footage depicting the top-down collapse of WTC’s 1&2, and the bottom-up destruction of WTC7.

    But “Big Picture”, we still both agree that 9/11 was an inside job, right? Why not leave it there and agree to disagree?

    Some informative links:
    Simon Shacks movie:”September Clues”:

    Simon Shacks “Nosed Out”:
    [This analysis of the famous “live” Fox5 footage of Fl.175’s “argument” with WTC2 reveals the fraudulence of the entire sequence:]

    Video Link

    Simon Shacks “9/11 “AMATEUR” FOOTAGE”:

    Video Link

    Regards, onebornfree

  46. saggy says: • Website

    Do I understand you correctly?

    The demolition claim is really extraordinary. It is preposterous on its face, but, I’ve listed 4 reasons below. But I left out the main reason – here it is – the demolition claim effectively accuses the entire US govt., top to bottom, to planning the attack. The president, FBI, CIA, military, investigative agencies, everybody had to have been in on it. Months of planning and months to carry out. And not a single leak! Do you realize how truly extraordinary the claim is? It is really the culture of critique amplified 1000 fold. The fact that many can claim to believe this idiocy is indicative of what a truly precarious position we are in.

    The idea that demolition brought the building down is absurd, i.e. more than false, for at least 4 reasons
    1 – 3 buildings came down but there were only 2 planes (which were supposed to ‘cover’ the demolitions)
    2 – a cursory look at how the first two buildings came down, starting from the top, shows that demolition charges which are placed at the base were not the reason
    3 – demolition requires not only placing charges, but cutting support columns, stairwells, etc.
    4 – the persons who actually know how buildings fail have given detailed analyses of how the buildings came down, none think demolition was the cause.

    I have references for all this but as I given them n times I won’t bother to do it 1 more time. The idea that the building came down from demolition is absurd, idiotic, and promoted by idiots and people who want to undermine any confidence in the US govt., i.e. the usual suspects.

  47. @Truth Vigilante

    “… the CIA’s James Angleton wasn’t a pivotal figure in orchestrating JFK’s demise.”

    He was the top executive in Allen Dulles’s post-CIA operation to murder Kennedy. It’s true that Angleton was essentially a servant of the Zionists. But whether Israeli leadership wanted JFK removed for their own purposes or not is not at issue in the JFK hit. Allen Dulles and his brother, John Foster, were the godfathers of the post war American empire; they were instruments of global capital in the 1940s – 1960s time-frame. JFK’s removal was imperative for globalists invested in the American MIC. Post war American foreign policy has been calculated to serve the interests of global capital aka breakaway civilization. The Zionist shit show in Palestine serves as one of the many technology hubs for the global consortium, but it exists primarily as an emotional/religious symbol for powerful American, European, and Israeli oligarchs.

  48. Badaboom says:

    We call it no planes 9-11. Well excluding the blue beam plane projecting the holograms. How about that plane that hit the building then stopped with it’s nose sticking out. They accidentally showed it on msn. Funny as hell. More info:

  49. Obvious a guy like Graeme MacQueen who chickens away from naming/suggesting the culprits of 911 taking center stage here on unz.

    Divert, divert the urge to agency in current matters, use a block-head as a banner for goyim failure.

    When is Julian Assange coming up?

  50. Jamali says:

    Why NO one is talking about the criminal invasion of US based on LIES into Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and US staged of many color revolution in Iran where so many people have been killed using their terrorists MEK and Kurdish terrorist groups? It is the time to expose what these war criminals have done against the people of the regional states, yet they are walking free and none of these war criminals has been arrested yet, to put on trial and be executed. Stop painting US as a victim. US is an evil empire and must be kicked out of the region.
    Why there is no article to talk about these crimes against humanity. No article about Israel’s crimes against Palestinians. There is plenty of articles about US as a ‘victim’, either by the jews or other criminals. Stop it and write about the US crimes against humanity where none of its war criminals have not been arrested.

    “Bush lied, people died” is a common takeaway from the Iraq War, which began 20 years ago this weekend. But it’s a misleading takeaway, one that obscures important lessons of the war and shields from accountability influential Americans whose poor judgment helped get hundreds of thousands of people killed. It’s of course true that the Bush administration claimed falsely that Saddam Hussein had active nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs. And it’s true that lots of American politicians, think tankers, columnists, and assorted other opinion leaders believed these claims and backed a disastrous war.
    One source of frustration to those of us who opposed the invasion is that it was followed by roughly zero accountability. The American think tanks and media outlets whose luminaries led their country into a catastrophic war continued, in its aftermath, to be run and staffed by those luminaries. Indeed, some luminaries were elevated to new heights.
    Maybe this lack of turnover in the US foreign policy establishment helps explain some foreign policy mistakes that have accumulated in the meanwhile, such as: (1) a disastrous regime change war in Libya (begun under the seductive guise of a limited humanitarian intervention that carried UN Security Council approval); (2) the decision by the US and some of its friends in the Middle East to flood Syria with weapons, turning what would have been a brutal but finite crackdown into an epic, massively lethal, and widely destabilizing civil war that failed to accomplish the goal of regime change; (3) a mindless and ever-expanding sanctions policy that continues to bring pointless suffering to people in Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, and Iran, among other places.”

    • Thanks: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  51. @dms578

    He almost had an apoplexy when this conspiracy garbage started Building 7 was a storage site for NYPD contraband as I recall and NO ONE DOWN THERE WAS AT ALL SURPRISED IT EXPLODED

    Building 7 imploded WTC 1 and 2 exploded, perhaps you mixed up your lies.

    saw some video yeas ago of a few firemen sitting outside talking about the so called explosion sounds from site. I believe my brother said it was due to the edifices “pancaking” as they collapsed.

    Yet we don’t hear these “edifices” from demo videos.

    I do know with absolute certainty there was no incendiary devices in use.

    I know with absolute certainly that fire cannot make building a building explode.

    • Replies: @Badaboom
    , @dms578
  52. @onebornfree


    Since you don’t think nukes were used to collapse WTC1 and WTC2 on 9/11 and turn them into pyroclastic dust, what do you think caused them to collapse and turn into pyroclastic dust?

    Also, please give me your opinion on the number of Jews you think were gassed to death by the Nazis during WWII? You may give a range of +/- 500,000, so don’t feel you need to be exact.

  53. March 19,2003–Operation Freedom Iraq —the one which gave Saddam Hussein USA/European chemical weapons for exclusive use against Iranian citizens and Iranian defence forces. Saddam wanted the oil rich province in Iran and later Kuwait BUT years back Kuwait was part of Iraq. Without the USA –Iraq would be a different place today but now it has Freedom–a value principle and right !!

  54. Thomasina says:

    Peter Michael Ketcham, former N.I.S.T. employee, has this to say at 17:50 of the video linked below:

    “If the top of the building became unstable due to the weakening of columns, one would reasonably expect the top of the building to start to lean, start to creak, connections start to break, and the top of the building would simply fall off to the side and come crashing down on the buildings next door, and the rest of the tower would remain. That’s what one would expect.

    Instead we saw something quite different. It is not reasonable to think that the weakening of some columns near the impact zone could somehow lead to an entire building collapsing entirely down on itself symmetrically, into its own footprint, with nothing left but bits of dust. That’s not plausible, that’s not reasonable.

    Watch some of the videos of the collapses. Look for several things. Look for sudden onset. When the collapses start they happen very fast and they complete within 10, 11, 12 seconds.

    Second, look at the symmetry. These buildings come straight down, or almost straight down. Asymmetric damage does not lead to symmetric collapse. It’s very difficult to get something to collapse symmetrically because it is the law of physics that things tend towards chaos. Collapsing symmetrically represents ORDER, very strict order. It is not the nature of physics to gravitate towards order for no reason; it will gravitate towards chaos. It is very difficult to get a building to collapse symmetrically.

    Third, look at the rubble that is left. It is not big pieces of steel, big chunks of cement. It is fine particles.

    And they might also look at those videos to see the explosive nature of those collapses. You can see essentially a wave of explosive demolition travelling down the building as it collapses, explosions coming out of windows, huge chunks of steel perimeter beams flying hundreds of feet off to the side. Steel does not fly off to the side hundreds of feet due to gravity. Gravity works vertically, not laterally. There has to be a force there pushing it to the side, otherwise it would just fall down to the ground. It would be like dropping a ball out of a window; it would just fall straight down.”

    I don’t care what your brother has to say. They needed a force to provide order (the symmetrical collapse), and they got it somehow. It is the law of physics.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @dms578
  55. Agent76 says:

    Mar 15, 2015 George Bush Sr. Had Breakfast with Bin Laden’s Brother on 9/11

    George W. Bush’s father was meeting with Osama Bin Laden’s brother, Shafig Bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11.

    5 September 2010 The Imperial Anatomy of Al-Qaeda The CIA’s Drug-Running Terrorists and the “Arc of Crisis”

    Part 1 examines the origins of the intelligence network known as the Safari Club, which financed and organized an international conglomerate of terrorists, the CIA’s role in the global drug trade, the emergence of the Taliban and the origins of al-Qaeda.

    9/11 Community Hub

    Richard Gage, AIA, Architect Mission: With your help we will continue to educate the design & technical professionals, Congress, the media, and the public about the truth of the explosive destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Skyscrapers on 9/11, and to obtain a world-awakening unimpeachable investigation!

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  56. Agent76 says:

    Good reminder and share Jamali, and this myth busts the Shock, and Awe propaganda.

    September 11, 2013 9/11 Debunked in Under 5 Minutes

    • Replies: @Jamali
  57. Badaboom says:

    To do what your saying, explode d building, you need a special type of fire. Instead of two sticks you use two “rocks”.

  58. @Agent76

    “George W. Bush’s father was meeting with Osama Bin Laden’s brother, Shafig Bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11.”

    Did they actually meet?

    “Carlyle emerged from the shadows in spite of itself on September 11, 2001. That day, the group had organized a meeting at Washington’s Ritz Carlton Hotel with five hundred of its largest investors. Frank Carlucci and James Baker III played masters of ceremony. George Bush senior made a lightning appearance at the beginning of the day. The presentation was quickly interrupted, but one detail escaped no one. One of the guests wore the name bin Laden on his badge. It was Shafiq bin Laden, one of Osama’s many brothers.”

    So, 500 people attend a meeting, Bush makes a lightning appearance at the beginning of the day, and Shafiq was one of the 500 guests. Nothing implies that Bush and Shafiq actually met.

  59. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:

    Uh oh, uncensored discussion of evident state crime!

    This is a job for bignosed CIA cunt Renée DiResta!

  60. @saggy


    Your assertions that a whole train of government agencies, the military, the President, etc. would have had to have been in the know about the planning and execution of what to do on 9/11, and that somebody would have leaked what really happened that day by now, shows you don’t understand how compartmented, large scale false flag operations are done, and how the people in control maintain ignorance and silence.

    (You probably believe the idea that clones of political figures and entertainers exist and walk among us is preposterous, too.)

    As for your 4 reasons:

    1) WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by nuclear devices planted in their basements. WTC7 was done through conventional demolition charges.

    2) WTC1 and WTC2’s collapse appear to have started at or near the top of the buildings because that is where the nuclear blast waves that went up through the buildings terminated, resulting in mushroom-cloud-like explosions there, while everything structural below them was molecularly disturbed/pulverized/disintegrated and turned into microscopic dust. This dust then became hot pyroclastic flow as the collapse of the buildings compressed the millions and millions of pounds of pulverized dust and dispersed them outward.

    3) When nuclear bombs are detonated, you obviously need not worry about puny cutting charges to weaken the support structures. The energy and power of the nuclear blast wave going up through the buildings disintegrated and pulverized everything. However, the planners of 9/11 did place thermite cutting charges at some places in WTC1 and WTC2 for cover story and testing purposes. WTC7 was obviously done using conventional demolition charges of the type you talk about.

    4) You are incorrect about this. Please look up Dimitri Khalezov on YouTube and 9/11 on for actual analysis of how the 9/11 demolition and 9/11 false flag operation were done.

    I assure you, the people who understand that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 came down because of nuclear demolition and conventional demolition are not the ones who are IDiots.

    • Replies: @Badaboom
  61. RestiveUs says:

    Looks like it’s all HTML.

  62. @Timur The Lame

    When children find out that those in charge of them are betraying them, they tend to obliterate the evidence from their mind. Same with trusting citizens and their betraying governments.

  63. annamaria says:
    @Thor Walhovd

    “It was only natural that the violence and destruction inherent in the US Empire’s conquest of the periphery would work back towards the center.”

    — Agree. The sadistic and genocidal violence and destruction are “inherent in the US Empire’s conquest of the periphery…” Here is Blair the Pious, who, for some dirty reasons, is still not excommunicated by the Catholic Church. Shame on the Catholic Church! “Tony Blair defends Iraq war:”
    Heart-breaking comments:

    Blair needs to be hung with Bush and others that planned this war for “oil” and Israel. “It’s common now in Fallujah for newborns to come out with massive multiple systemic defects, immune problems, massive central nervous system problems, massive heart problems, skeletal disorders, baby’s being born with two heads, babies being born with half of their internal organs outside of their bodies, cyclops babies literally with one eye—really, really, really horrific nightmarish types of birth defects. And it is ongoing.”

    Despite the copious studies reporting the worryingly increasing rates of congenital birth defects in Iraq and condemning the toxic crimes of the U.S., and after a long-awaited report co-funded by the Iraqi Ministry of Health (MoH), the WHO failed humanity once it covered up for the USA and reported that “no clear evidence to suggest an unusually high rate of congenital birth defects in Iraq.” … This is because the USA used Iraq as a dumping ground for depleted uranium munitions, so the whole country is radioactive.

    Yes, the False Flag of 9/11 was conducted to spur the implementation of the Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel (destruction of all functioning neighbor-states of the supremacist Jewish monstrosity), and initiation of gigantic war profiteering along with massive looting of natural resources and cultural artifacts in the Middle East. The unexplorable “loss” of trillions of dollars at the Pentagon was a “minor detail” for the warmongers. Millions of innocents died, and millions were maimed, displaced, and traumatized thanks to owners of the collective west – banksters and mega-corporations – and the sadistic activity of neocons, ziocons, and dishonorable US/NATO brass.

    The Devil’s loyal servant:

  64. Badaboom says:

    Check out my links above on nuclear 9-11. They go to the archives of VT. I don’t recommend the VT dot com site.

    • Replies: @everclear76
  65. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Mossad’s execution of 9-11 should have been a wake up call.
    You guys subscribed to the phony WMD and coyote planes dissapearing into the babylonian twin towers whilst your intuition should have kicked in and told you something is not right.
    9-11 should have been the litmus test for truth but you conveniently ignored it. You looked the other way due to cognitive dissonance.
    You followed Bush’s order to go on a spending spree with more credit card debt jacked up with high interest to feed the satanic cabal instead.
    With all these bogus wars on terror and non-ending hoaxes you have unwittingly supported the Zionist Satanic push for one world disorder.
    At this point, all you can do is repent for your sins and start fighting back the criminal enterprize who are in charge of orchestrating all these bogus war on terror, creating these monstrous, diabolical, sinister ISISraHELL with the help of al-CIA-da and MOSSAD.
    Alternate would be to sit back and enjoy bigger fireworks than 9-11 coming near you whilst they prepare greater IzraHELL for the coming of their Yahweh, The Anti-Christ dajjal who will globalize his reign of terror from Jerusalem.
    Either way buckle up for a roller coaster ride with some of these demonic, totally psychopathic, diabolical, sinister, pathological liars and corrupters of mother earth. You reap what you sow.

    There is a lie. Then there is a BIG LIE. Then there is 911. Santa Claus is beyond a LIE. Tel LIE vised 911 EvangeLIED are being taken for a ride by way of Deception to think Jesus Christ died for their Evils. Everyone shall have to account for deeds, either good or evil to enter Paradise or eternal abode in Hell fire.

    The infuriating thing about 9/11 and the multitude of lesser false flags which both preceded and followed it is that, although most Americans know it was as phoney as a three and a half dollar fed reserve note, everyone seems content to put up with the extremely phoney “war on terror” it was designed to create and which has already destroyed a hand full of countries in the world, caused the murder of upwards of two million people, mostly using U.S. military, and turned the U.S. into a ruthlessly insane police state wherein everyone is made to obey patently unlawful statutes in the name of “emergency” while the ruling elite has quit obeying any laws at all while gathering a massive military presence to cow the now resentful public. Truth shall set your souls free

  66. Nadim says:

    [Mossad’s execution of 9-11 should have been a wake up call.]

    Stop hiding the role of US in 9/11. Both US/Israel designed and staged the 9/11 terror to start their wars against the Islamic countries. Whoever ignores involvement of US in 9/11 cannot be trusted. George Bush and its regime was involved in 9/11 terror hundred percent. All who are sitting in Washington and Tel Aviv are war criminals and must be held accountable and be PUNISHED.

    CHINA MUST WIN THIS WAR. The evil empire and its dog, Israel, must be destroyed in order to have peace on earth.

  67. @Badaboom

    Thanks, I already know about VT archives and everything I need to know about how 9/11 was done. What I’m interested in is, who were the actual people who made the decision to do 9/11, and who worked out the operational planning.


    Article shown in the talk (min. 90): “You Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science.”

    Quote: “Unless we start valuing the actual expertise that legitimate experts have spent lifetimes developing, ‘doing our own research’ could lead to immeasurable, unnecessary suffering.” (Yeah, especially when it’s about WW2, Jews, Israel and their/its hoaxed “origin myth”!)

    Of course, a (son of a) “Jewish postal worker”. This ontological impossibility (oxymoron) is obviously so “cockamamie” that it is still used today only in quotation marks!

    “Starts With A Bang” (Siegel). It would be just “astronomically” fantastic if this whole hocus-pocus of a soon day ends with a tremendous bang! The self-portraits chosen by the author Siegel himself are obviously intended to depict his seriousness in the most unadulterated way.

    The old tall tale of the infallible “experts”. There was a time when heretics who disproved the “experts” that the Earth was “a disc in the center of the universe” were burned at the stake, still recall dat, Jewboy? “Trust the science” (and Soros-sponsored “fact checkers”)!

    As if “science” (or what he considers to be as it) has not been corruptible for a long time and does not act in the interest of multinational pharmaceutical conglomerates, but exclusively in the name of humanity. This Siegel thing is about as “credible” as his tribal bro who gets a kick out of being mistaken for “God”.

  69. @Sam Hildebrand

    What about the passengers and crew members? Their family, friends and coworkers? Crisis actors?
    A couple of hundred people (passengers and crew members) are missing. If they did not perish in the four hijacked planes, where are they?

    We haven’t seen them in the interim, so it’s a safe bet they were all killed.

    The following audio recording was made by flight attendant Cee Cee Lyles who was on UA93.
    She called home to her husband who missed the call as he was in the shower. So it was recorded on the answering machine (1 min audio):

    This phone call was NOT made from the airphone on the plane (assuming that UA93 even had an airphone – as many did not).
    We KNOW that the call was made from the personal mobile phone of Cee Cee Lyles because her caller ID showed up on the answering machine.

    However, with the technology that existed 22 years ago, IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE to make a call from a fast moving plane at high altitude for more than a few seconds (assuming a connection could be made at all) to someone on the ground.

    FACT: Cee Cee Lyles made that call to her husband FROM THE GROUND.

    All four (4) of the planes that were alleged to have been hijacked by 19 Muslims that day in the bogus official USG narrative of 9/11 were indeed hijacked – but NOT BY MUSLIMS.

    They were electronically commandeered from the ground by the BUAP (Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Auto Pilot) technology.
    In other words, starting around 1989 for Airbus and a few years later for Boeing, ALL wide bodied commercial aircraft are fitted with the BUAP which means that at ANY TIME, once the auto pilot has been engaged, a malevolent entity from the ground can electronically commandeer that aircraft and take control of it.
    They can then safely land it at a destination of their choosing – fuel load permitting.
    That is exactly what happened to Malaysian Airlines MH370 in 2014, and it landed safely on the U.S Air Force base on the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia. (All its passengers and crew were killed).

    So, getting back to Cee Cee Lyles and her message, she was obviously reading from a script when she made that call and, her words of:
    ‘I hope I see you again baby’ message says it all.

    She clearly knew this was going to end badly for her.

    Despite the obvious stress she was under, she still had the presence of mind to say:
    ‘It’s a frame’.

    ie: obviously a hint to her man that what she just told him was phony and that she was ‘framed’.
    Cee Cee Lyles was one of the heroes of 9/11 for having the guts to say what she did.

    Are they all part of the conspiracy?

    Clearly they were woven into the fabric of the conspiracy by the ZOG perpetrators of this egregious crime.

  70. @anonymous

    He {Philip Marshall I presume you’re alluding to ?] shows how tightly planned and coordinated the 9/11 attacks really were.
    The level of skill shown in flying those jumbo jets required intensive and lengthy training, instructors, airplanes to practice on and discrete airfields where such training could take place, manuals linguistically understandable to the trainees, a security system where all this could take place out of the eye of too many people and so on.
    Only a state actor has the resources to do all this.

    No ‘jumbo’ jets were involved in the 9/11 False Flag. The original planes that were electronically commandeered (AA11, UA175, AA77, UA93) were two 767’s and two 757’s – hence not 747 ‘jumbo’ jets.
    Not that it mattered, since NO commercial aircraft with passengers and crew ever impacted with the WTC towers, Pentagon etc.

    The Two 767’s that struck the Nth and Sth towers were remotely flown DRONES.
    ie: aircraft that had NO passengers or crew and were likely following a homing device planted in each tower and thus able to perform a precision manoeuvre (steep high speed dive and banking to the left at exactly the right moment in the case of UA175, to hit the Sth tower) that few professional pilots could achieve.

    As for the alleged 757 {AA77] that was claimed to have done a descending 270 degree corkscrew turn from an 8000 foot altitude at high speed and come up a few feet above the Pentagon lawn, NO PILOT ON EARTH could have done that with a Boeing 757 or ANY wide bodied commercial aircraft – no matter how much of a Top Gun he was.

    The plane would simply have exceeded its G load flight envelope parameters and either broken up or become uncontrollable.

    The plane that struck the Pentagon was a Raytheon owned and operated modified Douglas A-3 Skywarrior.
    Just prior to impacting with the Pentagon, it fired an Air to Ground bunker buster missile, quite possibly an AGM-65 Maverick, which explained the nice round holes punched in the C, D and E rings of the Pentagon.
    Or, if it wasn’t an AGM-65 that was fired, it may well have been a Lockheed Martin manufactured Rocket-boosted guided hard target penetrator missile:

    whose application for a patent was granted exactly three weeks before 9/11 – refer to the sidebar on the right that reads:

    2001-08-21 Application granted

    You also write:

    He points a finger at the Saudis and since most of the supposed hijackers were Saudis it’s reasonable to suspect their government of being the recruiter in the Arab world ….

    The Saudis had nothing to do with the orchestration of the 9/11 False Flag.
    As with all major crimes that ZOG perpetrates, they leave all manner of clues that point to the possible involvement of other state actors. eg: Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s ISI.

    ZOG did likewise for the JFK coup d’etat and left clues suggesting that:

    i) The Soviets did it
    ii) Fidel Castro ordered it
    iii) the Texas Oilmen did it
    iv) The anti-Castro Cubans did it, etc.

    There’s no question that as far as M.M.O is concerned, that iii) and iv) would’ve had a motive for doing it, but they certainly lacked the MEANS and the OPPORTUNITY.

    Meanwhile, ZOG had M.M.O in spades – especially motive*.

    (*ZOG/aka the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel headquartered in the City of London, felt that JFK was an existential threat to the Apartheid Israeli state, which they had gone to great lengths to bring into existence).
    ZOG was not going to tolerate the possibility that all their hard work over many decades (eg: Balfour Declaration, orchestration of the Holohoax etc), was going to be ruined by this young upstart Jack Kennedy.

  71. @Tony Hall

    Tony, I’m sure I’ll recognise it once you remind me, but I’ve drawn a total blank as to what ‘DRG’ stands for.

    Can you enlighten me ?

    BTW, in relation to your comment # 35 and the ‘Cass Sunstein-style infiltrators’, there appear to be more than a few of them here in the UR commentariat.
    They’ve certainly been busy in the UR threads that relate to the Covid Psyop and even busier planting disinfo in the Ukraine proxy war threads.

    For those UR readers not familiar with Tony Hall and the veracity of anything he has to say, here is a very brief bio:

    He is Professor Emeritus Anthony J. Hall, an individual of unimpeachable integrity who co-hosted False Flag Weekly News (FFWN) for many years with Dr Kevin Barrett.
    He was formerly Professor of Globalisation Studies at University of Lethbridge in Alberta Canada.

    I hope I got all of that right Tony, as I don’t want to mislead anyone. Please advise if I have.

    I’ve been following Tony Hall’s commentary for many years and cannot fault a single thing he’s said in all that time. He’s as honest a man as you’ll find anywhere.

    You can read some of his archival contributions posted at Global Research here:

    Why Ron Unz doesn’t invite Tony Hall to post his well researched articles here is a mystery to me.

  72. @Del Plinto

    Nobody is going to mention this amazing documentary by Massimo Mazzucco:

    Actually, I’ve mentioned it dozens of times in previous UR 9/11 related threads.
    Why don’t you open this link to a UR article from last year and scroll through my commentary there – and see how many times I’ve referenced it:

    In fact, if you scroll up a few comments in this very thread, you’ll see I posted a 1 min video/audio featuring the phone call that flight attendant Cee Cee Lyles (from UA93) made on the morning of 9/11.

    That audio segment was taken from Massimo Mazzucco’s ‘September 11: The New Pearl Harbour’.

    Anyway Del, it’s good to see you’re referencing this superb video. No video on 9/11 is perfect and contains all the relevant facts and figures.
    But Massimo Mazzucco’s documentary is the closest thing you’ll find among things that haven’t yet been purged by ZOG.

    [USMC Lt-Col (ret) Field McConnell had some of the best material on 9/11 and the disappearance of MH370, but it was so damaging to ZOG that they disappeared most of his good stuff from the internet].

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  73. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh come on. CIA’s demolition of the WTC is water under the bridge. Why can’t you let bygones be bygones? Everybody makes mistakes!

    What’s important here is to look out for the next time CIA blows thousands of us up and attacks us with germ warfare to scare us into a war. As our president said, when CIA committed the crime against against humanity of systematic and widespread torture of bewildered Muzzie randos and totally got away with it, We need to look forward, not back.

    Now here is what you have to look forward to. CIA mad scientist Robert Garry is working on the next banned biological weapon. This is what he’ll mail you or squirt from his perfume bottles, or put into the HVAC system at O’Hare. Lassa fever!

  74. @Commentator Mike

    Why go through the elaborate procedure of substituting the planes with empty drones and not just fly the planes with passengers and crew by remote into the buildings?
    It saves flying those passengers and crew in the other planes to some base for their execution. The planes can be flown by remote as easily as drones, no?

    You are correct in saying NO at the end. Commercial planes CANNOT be flown anywhere near as easily as a lightweight stripped down drone*.
    (I believe that said drones would no doubt have also had upgraded engine specifications that enabled far higher output than the conventional engine settings on a commercial aircraft which are geared towards maximum fuel economy).

    And the reason for the poor performance dynamics of a commercial 767 can be encapsulated in one word: INERTIA.

    Understand this: A commercial 767 is designed to carry over 300 passengers from point A to point B in comfort.
    It is not a Concorde, it breaks no sound barriers to get to its destination as fast as possible.
    It is one big, HEAVY bus.

    It has row upon row of heavy seating, it has a couple of kitchen galleys for food and beverage preparation/dispensing.
    It has (from memory) two lavatories/washrooms, with thousands of litres of water for washing/flushing etc.
    It has cargo hold with bulky/heavy/fittings for storing luggage/items sent by Air Mail etc.

    The G load characteristics that relate to the flight envelope parameters of the handling and performance dynamics of this ‘bus’ are a function of its WEIGHT.

    There are many people claiming a commercial 767 could not fly at over 500 knots at sea level because of the drag from air resistance.
    I would agree that starting at sea level after take off and trying to get up to that speed whilst being at sea level the whole time, is a Herculean task and likely not achievable.

    BUT, the planes that impacted with the WTC towers did not start at sea level. They were at great altitude and were tracked by Air Traffic Controllers as they went into an extremely steep dive that would have recorded speeds of well over 600 knots (ie: not that far off the speed of sound), and then only pulling out in the final 30-60 seconds before impacting with the towers.

    In other words, they were only in the denser air at sea level for a SHORT TIME and thus only scrubbed off a small portion of their speed before impacting.

    Now, could a regular commercial 767 achieve those speeds in a steep dive ?
    Answer: YES.
    EgyptAir flight 990 achieved a speed of Mach 0.99 after it went into a steep dive and crashed into the ocean. (Flight data recorder data showed this speed was achieved shortly before impact and thus it was achieved at sea level).

    BUT, a commercial 767 ‘bus’ would have had too much inertia to bank sharply left like UA175 did just prior to striking the Sth tower.
    If a commercial 767 attempted this it would have missed the building and/or become uncontrollable as G loads on the airframe were exceeded.

    Mike, you talk about ‘elaborate procedure’ and indeed the 9/11 False Flag was IMMENSELY elaborate when judged from the standpoint of an individual person with finite means.

    But you have to understand that the 9/11 False Flag was a NO EXPENSE SPARED operation conducted by the Zionist Usury Banking Cartel (aka ZOG).

    This is an entity that has multiples of U.S GDP in financial wherewithal with the capacity to print/digitally conjure up scores of trillions more from the western central banks it owns/controls.

    I mean, it’s not as though they worked for the money.
    They conjured it into existence with a few key strokes on their keyboard in the first place.

    As far as the execution of those passengers and crew that were on the original planes that were electronically commandeered, why does it surprise anyone that they met this fate ?
    I mean, the 9/11 False Flag ended up killing over 2500 people in the WTC towers and the Pentagon, and led to wars that, in the words of Paul Craig Roberts:

    ‘Killed, maimed, orphaned, displaced and dispossessed tens of millions of people’.

    Do you really think that ZOG has that much of a conscience ?
    They despise the goyim and would be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect that a few hundred more had met their maker – just as they were chuckling when people were jumping from the Nth tower to their deaths.

    Lastly, you wrote this:

    (You may have answered this before but it’s hard to keep up with so much information).

    Yes I have answered that question of yours Mike and in many previous 9/11 threads which I know you were participating in.
    But, seeing as you’re a sincere bloke I took the time to explain it to you again.
    Next time, try and keep up my friend.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  75. Jamali says:

    Excellent video. Thank you

  76. @onebornfree

    OBF, you’re a sincere bloke and you’ve demonstrated you’re very well informed on a variety of topics from interactions I’ve had with you in the past.

    But I can tell you that this Shack bloke is a fraud and that real planes impacted with the WTC towers and the Pentagon.

    OBF, just absorb the following info before you commit yourself one way or the other:

    The depraved Talmudic misfits that committed 9/11 (the same ones that killed JFK/RFK/JFK Jr), have incalculable resources to make elaborate videos/make movies/report all manner of stories in the western MSM which they own lock, stock and barrel/print books with [superficially at least] plausible alternative explanations for who killed JFK and how 9/11 transpired.

    Courtesy of the Hollywood movie making industry that they own, they have all the special effects tricks in the world at their disposal to make videos that will fool the simpletons.
    And you might counter that they also did the special effects for that plane in the video I posted in comment # 22.*

    (*Although I encourage UR readers to compare the crystal clear images of the plane in the video from my comment # 22 Vs the blurry/crude imagery in those videos from Simon Shack that you posted in comment # 50, and note the night and day difference in clarity).


    People like these:

    Those clips from the video above that have audio attached are made by REAL people who saw REAL planes and their remarks were made in REAL time.

    The people behind 9/11 are busy making fake videos with fake explanations 24/7. Your crude videos from Simon Shack are proof of that.

    You’ve been sucked in my friend – I tell you that with 100% certainty.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  77. dms578 says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    you are out of your mind what in the hell are you talking about ? I know several people who happened to be standing on or around west street near stuyvesant street that lovely morning who saw PLANES IMPACT THE TRADE CENTER. One was my now deceased second husband who worked around the area. He was a brilliant talented scientist and technologist. His IQ in range of the one percent of the one percent. I think he may have had an accurate report of what happened. As you may or may not know the F train in the MTA system goes elevated for two stops in brooklyn both providing a direct view of the towers. I was awakened that AM by a friend who was on the F and saw the entire thing. She said clearly OMIGOD I JUST SAW A PLANE FLY INTO THE TRADE CENTER”. She assumed it was accidental. I turned on TV panicked as my daughter was working in section of city which used a subway line i knew would be affected. She was delayed that AM and I found her in her bed. I can conjure up other eyewitnesses if you like. NO ONE SAW A DRONE
    So stick to those who were on SITE, saw it happen or lived in the area. Never mind these armchair “experts” opining remotely. My brother ran the HAZMAT teams at site. There was NOT ONE in uniformed services who put any credence in this garbage. My brother spent a good amount of time contacting some of these opportunists talking crap not even having seen the site. He was able to explain to some who were receptive to reason and logic provided by an actual LIVE PERSON who knew what he was talking about and happened to be there.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  78. dms578 says:

    another dope. lets not split hairs here. Bldg 7 exploded imploded whatever due to the types of contraband the NYPD stored there which not exactly something they were particularly anxious to emphasize for not to difficult reasons to comprehend \
    there were no incendiary devices in the towers. So unless you are attempting to infer my brother is liar why not consider the testimony of a highly trained specialist who was actually on site for two months.
    I don’t know enough about physics to provide an adequate explanation for the “pancaking” phenomenon present in the collapse. My brother was also in belle harbor queens on Nov. 12 when flight 587 crashed next to our family home. He was resting and preparing our father’s funeral when he had to run into the fuselage to ascertain potential for successive explosion. In the aftermath which left beach 130th strewn with dead bodies many people came to help who were medical professionals A few years ago a nurse who had been participating in attempting to locate survivors told me she had seen a victim whose clothes were burned off She was quite startled that this person had no bodily injuries with burns wondering how this was possible.
    Physics of fire is the answer in a rare interplay of laws. very unusual things can occur in these scenarios
    there were no drones i know many EYEWITNESSES on west street at time they saw PLANES and they were not lying either.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  79. @saggy

    The idea that the building came down from demolition is absurd, idiotic, and promoted by idiots and people who want to undermine any confidence in the US govt., i.e. the usual suspects.

    Saggy, the fact that you’re sticking up for the U.S govt, an institution that lies through its teeth on just about everything (eg: Covid Psyop, Ukraine proxy war just for starters), says a lot about you.

    And what’s this about ‘undermining confidence in the USG’ ?
    No one with a brain has any confidence in the USG – it is the most corrupt and murderous entity in all of human history.

    The official USG narrative for how the WTC towers and Bldg 7 came down CONTRAVENES:

    1) Newton’s Third Law of Motion
    2) The Law of Conservation of Energy
    3) The Law of Conservation of Momentum.

    That you don’t know these thing is indicative of how little you know about the basic laws of physics – this is High School stuff.

    Anyone who can’t see that these were clear cases of controlled demolition is an imbecile.
    Saggy, you have a documented history of being an apologist for ZOG in the UR commentariat and posting the most nonsensical things.

    UR readers would be well advised to keep a watchful eye on this sayan that is part of the 50 cent hasbara army.

    BTW, in relation to your claim that there hasn’t been a single leak, the reality is that there have been COUNTLESS leaks, enabling us to know as much as we do.
    Many have paid for it with their lives (there is a long list of 9/11 whistle blowers that is comparable to the numerous people related to the JFK coup d’etat that had an early demise).

    So Saggy (so named by an ex-girlfriend because of his erectile issues), quit with the B.S.
    People can see right through you.

    • Replies: @saggy
  80. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    Yeah, I know, I’ve been sucked in – the fake”live” 9/11 videos you continually post here are all genuine simply because you, being an “expert” in video analysis, “know” they are genuine , apparently mostly because the soundtrack sounds real to you, without having:

    1] any proof of provenance of said videos

    2] without having bothered with any tedious S. Shack style frame by frame analysis of said videos, such as :

    Video Link
    None of that’s important, right?

    Both of those features [1 and 2] _are_ important to me, however.

    But what else would you expect from some fool stupid enough to also believe that :

    1] the moon landings films and photos are all fakes {Just as with 9/11}
    2] viruses don’t exist
    3[ nobody died at Sandy Hook

    Obviously, I’m just another “crazy old fool” 🙂

    Regards, obf

  81. Old Bean says:

    @Truth Vigilante

    I was very impressed with comment number 80. I wondered whether you have a blog or website? I’ve literally just signed up so that I could ask.

    I am 99.99% convinced 9/11 was a false flag. There are simply too many coincidences (e.g. WTC being bought a couple of months before the ‘attacks’; the PNAC’s need for a ‘new Pearl Harbour’), unexplained or illogical occurrences (the footage of the ‘plane’ impacting the Pentagon never released), and, of course, WTC7 is the smoking gun.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  82. @saggy

    Months of planning and months to carry out. And not a single leak

    Ah, the No Secret Falliacy. Those who support the INGSOC narrative use it to ignore evidence of truthers, yet they don’t believe that the terrorists attack planned by cave dwellers was leaked; the CIA, FBI and the NSA had no idea…

    And the cave dwellers didn’t have the benefit of using drills of planes hitting towers as cover.

    Besides there were leaks, several countries warned the US Gov about possible terrorist attacks, but these leaks didn’t get to US citizens.

  83. @Truth Vigilante

    Thanks. No harm in repeating for the benefit of any newcomers to the debate like Old Bean. You did refer me to the Laurent Guyenot article of September last year which I missed at the time and had trouble loading the thread with over 2,000 comments on one page.

    Sure, I don’t think these people have any conscience and could have well flown those passengers to an air base and executed them. Presumably Cee Cee Lyles was told what to say in that phone call before she was executed.

    Anyway 911 is part of a far bigger conspiracy involving even more people, like Tony Blair and the British government lying about Iraqi WMDs, the anthrax affair, etc. to start wars in the Middle East.

    Obviously the official story is lies and a cover up for the inside job but I am undecided what really happened. I prefer to think it was a controlled demolition but I’m not sure if real planes were used for added effect.

  84. dms578 says:

    yes I know it was a law of physics but i gather you do not understand all of them You don’t care what a living eye witness professional who oversaw the investigation had to say ? what kind of moronic comment is that. you should tell the professor it did fall straight down idiot. They all spoke of the the so called “pancake” phenomenon in this collapse.
    there are also types of so called “anomalies” in laws of physics which although they are in fact law conformable defy easy explanation. I mentioned he oversaw the crash of flight 587 on Nov. 12 ’01 right next to our family home. A few years ago a nurse from the community recollecting the experience told me she saw one a naked victim who it was clear clothing had been burned off but the body did not have any signs of burns. Physics of fire maybe you can ask the prof above to explain that.
    She was haunted by it after all those years.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  85. @dms578

    you are out of your mind what in the hell are you talking about ?

    I know several people who happened to be standing on or around west street near stuyvesant street that lovely morning who saw PLANES IMPACT THE TRADE CENTER.

    I don’t follow. WHY am I out of my mind ?

    There are some in this thread that are claiming that NO PLANES struck the WTC/Pentagon on 9/11, while I am vociferously arguing that there is overwhelming proof that real planes impacted with these buildings and have furnished plenty of proof in this thread to that end.

    If you’re still not satisfied with that, open up the link below to a UR article from last year and scroll through and read my comments (and those of Rurik and Old Philosopher – two well researched individuals of the utmost integrity) in the link below:

    You’ll see that commentators Rurik, Old Philosopher and myself are subjected to a barrage of smears by the NPN’s (No Planes Nutters) for stating the case that real planes struck those buildings.
    Old Philosopher was in NYC and SAW WITH HIS OWN EYES the plane that struck the Sth tower.
    The NPN’s are convinced that the images of planes we see in those videos impacting with the WTC towers is all CGI (Computer Graphic Image) generated.

    SUMMARY: Most people in NYC on the day of 9/11 did not witness the plane impacting with the Nth tower – although more than a few did.

    Once the Nth tower was hit and was belching smoke, amid rumours flying around that a plane had impacted with it, EVERY MAN AND HIS DOG IN NYC that was not working and/or had an obscured view of the WTC towers because other buildings were in the way, was WATCHING SKYWARD LOOKING AT THE BURNING NTH TOWER and thus would have witnessed a REAL plane impact with the Sth tower some 16-17 mins or so later.

    Many tens of thousands (at an absolute minimum) of New Yorkers and tourists/out of town visitors and those New Yorkers that had the morning off from work that day, would have seen that plane impact with WTC 2.

    The eyewitness testimony if all these people (like the people you know ‘dms’ that witnessed it), is all the proof we need that the fake planes/CGI story is Zio concocted B.S fable that was manufactured to muddy the waters.

  86. To accelerate this national dilution

    The Enemy used deception and illusion


    As before, his confidence never greater

    In the power of his demonic theater

    Over a degraded population.

    He broadcast live on every station

    The brazen, calculated murders

    Of two thousand souls among the girders

    Of gigantic towers he demolished,

    Then celebrated as his golem rushed

    Obediently to attack the muslim tools

    He fingered. The mind-rape of his fools

    For mass conditioning was brutal

    Past telling but control was not total,

    For Aryan genius had lately created

    An information medium that defeated

    His stranglehold on what could be known,

    And through this brief window were thrown

    To minds among the somnolent and feral

    Seeds of awareness of their peril.

    The truth that in their ready soil took root

    Would curse and bless and make resolute

    That generation destined again to be,

    Grown among ruin, a mighty tree.

  87. @dms578

    Bldg 7 exploded imploded whatever due to the types of contraband the NYPD stored there

    Bldg 7 came down in a CLASSIC conventional controlled demolition.
    The ONLY way it could have come down symmetrically is if all load bearing columns were severed SYNCHRONOUSLY.

    In other words, if load bearing columns on one side were severed a second or two later than those of the other side, the building would have TOPPLED OVER TO ONE SIDE.

    Unless this ‘NYPD contraband’ you speak of were high explosive charges, each positioned at exactly the right place adjacent to a load bearing column and each detonating at precisely the right moment (ie: beyond a one in a quadrillion chance), then your assertion is LUDICROUS.

    Watch this video from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to get up to speed about Bldg 7:

    You also write:

    there were no drones i know many EYEWITNESSES on west street at time they saw PLANES and they were not lying either.

    Firstly, do you understand what a ‘DRONE’ is ?

    Yes, there are those drones used by the military that look like no commercial aircraft you’ve ever seen. That is one type of drone – what one would call a purpose built drone.
    But the word ‘drone’ also refers to:

    ANY AIRCRAFT THAT ARE REMOTELY GUIDED. ie: no pilot to fly them.

    On the day of 9/11, the real aircraft containing the real passengers and crew, were electronically commandeered and flown to an alternative location where, seeing as we haven’t heard from the since, we can assume they were all killed.

    Mid flight, said real planes were SUBSTITUTED by 767 drones that were painted in the same livery (American and United Airlines) to appear identical to the actual commercial 767 planes.

    You say you know EYEWITNESSES on West St that can confirm that these planes were not drones.

    Are you serious ?

    Your friends, from their position on the ground, could see whether or not there were pilots in the cockpit of a fast moving aircraft travelling high above them ??

  88. @Old Bean

    I was very impressed with comment number 80.

    Thanks for that Beany. It impressed me also.

    No, I do not have a blog or website. But, if you liked my comment and want to learn more about what transpired on 9/11, open up this link and scroll through my comments there from a previous UR article (Warning: there are a lot of them):

    If that doesn’t quench you thirst, go through the comments for this article below in UR from two years ago (my comments start approx after the first 200 comments):

    Be sure to watch the videos I’ve posted in those comments as they are a treasure trove of information. That should keep you busy for the next few months.

    BTW, I left out an extremely important reason why 767 drones were used to impact with the WTC towers on 9/11.
    Watch the few minutes from 1:17:50 – 1:20:00 in this presentation from Christopher Bollyn, a man who (along with USMC Lt-Col (ret) Field McConnell), is the best 9/11 researcher on the planet:

    That’s right UR readers, these 767 drones were fitted with forward firing ordnance – enabling them to fire a DU missile that could punch a hole through the building.

    I recommend readers watch the whole 2 hrs of that Christopher Bollyn presentation.
    He is really among the best of the best and an individual of the utmost integrity.
    CLEARLY, he knows what he knows because all manner of whistleblowers within the U.S government/military/three letter agencies have come forward and furnished him this info.

    • Replies: @Old Bean
  89. @dms578

    You directed this unwarranted remark at Thomasina:

    what kind of moronic comment is that. you should tell the professor it did fall straight down idiot.

    I’ve been very fortunate to have had some interaction with Thomasina and read many a comment of hers in UR (I assume Thomasina is a ‘she’ ?) over a long period of time.
    She is one very knowledgeable individual, and for a fool like yourself to be calling her names really is a standout case of the ‘pot calling the kettle … ‘.

    If I were you I’d STFU for the next couple of years until you’d done some actual research on the 9/11 False Flag from objective sources, because it is clear that you’re one very ignorant individual at this point in time.

    Hopefully Thomasina will be gracious enough to impart some of her wisdom on you, despite the shameful way you’ve behaved so far.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  90. saggy says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    That you don’t know these thing is indicative of how little you know about the basic laws of physics – this is High School stuff.

    You damned idiot, I am a PhD engineer with a resume as long as your arm.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  91. Thomasina says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Thank you for the kind words, Truth Vigilante, and thanks also for the eye-opening and informative education on 9/11. You did a great job! I listened to Christopher Bollyn (at least from 1:17:50 to the conclusion), and he was superb. I’ll listen to the first part tomorrow. Keep up the good fight.

  92. @Truth Vigilante

    I know it had been mention several times in previous occasions when this topic arose, but I just was meaning once again, because some people could have arrived for the first time and not be aware of its existence.
    Anyway, thank you, for your ample explanation.

    • Replies: @Del Plinto
  93. @Del Plinto

    In fact, it is quite difficult to find it on Youtube, because they have not purged it, instead they have made it almost impossible to find.

  94. @saggy

    If you are an engineer then you’re an unprincipled LIAR to be making those assertions of yours which contradict Newtonian core principles.

    Evidently you’ve sold out to your neocon benefactors in the U.S government, with whom you’re so infatuated.

    • Replies: @everclear76
  95. @Truth Vigilante

    Truth Vigilante,

    You are a totally transparent fraud. Give us your education, major in college and degree, and your opinion on the Gas Chambers of WWII and Benjamin Netanyahu.

    What’s your reply?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Sparkon
  96. Old Bean says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Many thanks. I will do as you have suggested. As I say, I’m utterly convinced it was an inside job. Indeed, I find it hard to believe anybody who has done a bit of independent research can conclude that it is anything else. The official narrative is ludicrous. However, it is good to see folk still attempting to awaken the masses. I’m more or less resigned to the fact most folk are ovine in nature, sadly.

  97. onebornfree says: • Website

    To anyone out there with an open mind [ i.e. _not_ “Truth Vigilante 🙂 ] :

    “A plane will travel faster through air than a skyscraper…..obviously….so lets see if this holds true with one of the WTC crash videos”:

    Video ” Air Vs. Skyscraper”

    Remember: “A mind is like a parachute, it doesn’t work unless its open” Frank Zappa

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  98. @everclear76

    You are a totally transparent fraud.

    Thanks for your endorsement. My opinions on the Holohoax, the Apartheid Israel state and much more are to be found in my comments archival history.
    Feel free to browse it and it’ll answer all your questions.

    Meanwhile, you’re new here – it appears you’re yet another sayan posted here by Unit 8200 of the IDF to muddy the waters.

    You can tell your controllers you’re not needed. There is already an abundance of your small hat ilk in the UR pages trying (and failing) in their efforts to obfuscate and deflect blame away from ZOG.

  99. @onebornfree

    Unfortunately, the video did not show up in your comment (at least, not for me).

    In any case, I think I’m familiar with the thrust of what you wanted to demonstrate.
    You’re asking why the plane that impacts with the WTC doesn’t appear to slow down as its entering the building and appears to be travelling at the same speed as when it was travelling in air.
    Is that correct ?

    There are many reasons :

    1) You have to understand, the clone 767 did not strike a solid brick wall. It impacted with a ‘skeletal shell’ which, at that height in the building, was constructed of MUCH THINNER/WEAKER structural steel members than in the lower floors – where the I-beams and such were much more robust.

    In other words, like Frank De Martini says (the structural engineer involved in the construction of the WTC towers says), the skeletal exterior of the WTC is like ‘mosquito netting’ on a screen door.
    A plane will easily puncture said ‘netting’, like a pencil thrust through a screen door, but the surrounding netting will maintain its structural integrity:

    2) Travelling at near to that of a speeding bullet, this 100 tonne 767 had enormous Kinetic Energy (around ONE HUNDRED TIMES MORE K.E than the B-25 Mitchell bomber that impacted with the Empire State building in 1945 and punched one hell of a big hole in that structure).

    3) The fuselage of the drone 767 entered into a CAVITY*.

    (*Refer to the 2 mins of video from my comment # 96 in this thread, in the presentation by Christopher Bollyn.
    This 767 drone was no ordinary Boeing aircraft. It had been modified with an under fuselage appendage to enable it to fire a DU missile some milliseconds before impact.
    Said missile punched a huge hole in the structure and the fuselage went into the cavity unimpeded).

    So stay well OBF. I like to think we’re still friends.

    It’s good that we can engage in robust exchanges of information and thrash things out that appear contentious to some observers.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  100. Sparkon says:

    Truth Vigilante,

    You are a totally transparent fraud. Give us your education, major in college and degree…

    Yes, you are absolutely correct. Any number of commenters here at UR have seen through this loudmouth swaggering scribbler, who in his response to you has failed to provide the educational background you requested, probably because there is none.

    @Truth Vigilante

    You are so incredibly stupid, so hopelessly soaked in Jewish deception and Jewish propaganda that no discussion with you is possible.

    @Truth Vigilante

    You have proved time and again in ALL your comments that you are INCAPABLE OF THINKING.

    @Truth Vigilante

    Again, TV, you are too bombastic and histrionic. And in this respect you are as knee-jerk a reactionary as any ZOG police spokesman.

    You abused Sparkon here by saying lies and posting a video (#293) which you claimed was of him, yet you knew was not.

    TV’s usual style is to heap abuse on anyone who disagrees with him, but now I see he’s trying to cajole onebornfree, who in my experience is a knowledgeable and unshakable no planes theorist (NPT) and CGI advocate unlikely to be swayed by TV’s silly arguments about cavities and paper-mache-like box columns that seemingly offered no resistance on Sept. 11, 2001, just like the pixels they were.

    Finally, due to TV’s clumsy but varying style, commonly marred with grammatical, logical and factual flubs, often in the Internet crank’s trademark ALL CAPS, my educated guess would be this calumnious clod never even finished high school.

    At the same time, it’s certainly possible our Vig Truful Auntie (yuk yuk) is not merely a clod, or even just a single brash megamouth from Sydney, but is rather either a team of liars, or a chatbot.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
  101. @Sparkon

    Thanks for your endorsement Sparkie – I’m touched.

    As for my academic background, as I’ve posted previously in UR, responding to others that posed that question, I told them that I have a hard sciences S.T.E.M background that is very much capable of an analysis of many of the core issues of the 9/11 False Flag.

    Beyond that, I don’t reveal much about myself.

    Unfortunately, I live in a country that does not have Freedom Of Speech First Amendment protection rights (not that they mean a hell of a lot in the U.S anyway).
    ZOG may well have a dossier on my activities over the years – activities that are focused on bringing about its demise.
    But, on the off chance that I’m not on their radar, I won’t be revealing specifics about my background.

    As for this comment of yours:

    ‘ TV’s silly arguments about cavities and paper-mache-like box columns that seemingly offered no resistance on Sept. 11, 2001 …. ‘

    it is evident that you too are one of the NPN’s (No Planes Nutters*).

    (*For UR readers not familiar with the term, NPN’s are a subset of individuals that were sucked in by some Talmudic propagandists, one of whom uses the handle ‘Ace Baker’ – but whose real name is Mordechai Moshe Baruch Shlongstein.
    Said propagandists have posted some of the crudest of crude propaganda videos claiming that No Planes struck the WTC towers on 9/11.

    Believe it or not UR readers, they’re actually claiming that the TENS OF THOUSANDS (if not hundreds of thousands) of New Yorkers that were staring at the burning Nth tower in the minutes after it was impacted, and thus SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES the 767 drone impact with the Sth tower – as in the video I posted in comment # 22 of this thread, Sparkie and his fellow NPN’s are claiming that what New Yorkers saw was CGI generated.

    That’s right UR readers, Sparkie claims that CGI had progressed to such an extent in 2001, that ZOG was capable of making a plane appear above their heads (accompanied by the cacophony of noise that goes with a jet plane at full throttle), that then crashed into the WTC.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    There are actually people in the world that are THAT gullible*.

    (*Oh, and did I tell you that Sparkie wore a face mask throughout the Covid Payop and still refuses to concede that FACE MASKS DO DIDDLY SQUAT to prevent contraction of an airborne virus – despite the torrent of scientific research that proves it ?

    Yes UR readers, Sparkie was one of those Muppets that did exactly as his wise [ZOG] overlords instructed, and is now fully vaxxed – having just taken his 9th booster).

  102. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Truth Vigilante

    “Unfortunately, the video did not show up in your comment (at least, not for me).”

    Here’s a Youtube link to the same video analysis that I just found.

    As with Simon Shacks videos, predictably, this video has been scrubbed from YT many times over the years [2007-23] yet gets reposted by different, persistent users, so this link will probably disappear shortly as well :

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  103. onebornfree says: • Website

    To whom it may concern 🙂 :

    9/11 Video Fakery: “Fl. 175’s Speed: Fairbanks [290+ mph] or Fox [540 + mph]?”

    9/11 Video Fakery: “So Exactly Where Did Fl.175 Hit WTC2 ?”

    9/11 Video Fakery:”ABC’s Magic “Spinning Towers””

    9/11 Video Fakery: “The Fake,13 Foot Tall WTC Tower Jumpers”

    Regards, onebornfree

  104. @Ron Unz

    9/11 – WHO Did It and HOW

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