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In the last few years, there have been lots of news reports (e.g., here), documentary films (e.g., Yoland Zauberman’s “M”), and articles (e.g., here and here) about sexual abuse of children in Orthodox Jewish communities. In March 2017, for instance, Haaretz reported that the Israeli police arrested 22 ultra-Orthodox Jews for sex crimes against minors and women, and in July 2019 The Times of Israel reported that “Deputy Health Minister Yaakov Litzman was alleged to have improperly intervened to aid at least 10 sex offenders from Israel’s ultra-Orthodox community.” In 2015, Jewish attorney Michael Lesher wrote Sex Abuse, Shonda and Concealment in Orthodox Jewish Communities, to document

“the dismal history of how far too many of those cases have been assiduously concealed both from the public and from the police: how influential rabbis and community leaders have sided with the alleged abusers against their victims; how victims and witnesses of sexual abuse have been pressured, even threatened, not to turn to secular law enforcement for help; how autonomous Jewish ‘patrols,’ displacing the role of official police in some large and heavily religious Jewish neighbourhoods, have played an inglorious part in the history of cover-ups; … how some Jewish communities have even succeeded in manipulating law enforcement officials to protect suspected abusers.”

This reminds me of the story of how Freud, having stumbled upon the widespread reality of child abuse among his mostly Jewish clientele, covered it up with the theory that all little girls desire their fathers’ penis and all little boys dream of screwing their mothers — and named his theory after a Gentile myth.

2. Freud’s Assault on Truth

The story has been told by Jeffrey Masson in The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory (1984).[1]Jeffrey Masson, The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory, Farrar Strauss & Giroud, 1984. In 1895 and 1896, Freud, listening to his neurotic and hysterical patients, became convinced that most of them had suffered from traumatic sexual abuse in their childhood. The traumatic origin of “hysteria” (an overused diagnosis in those days) had already been discussed by neurologists, including Jean-Martin Charcot, whose conferences Freud had attended in Paris, and Hermann Oppenheim, who published in Berlin in 1889 a treatise on traumatic neuroses. Yet psychological traumas of sexual nature were rarely discussed openly. On the other hand, there were medical publications, known to Freud, documenting the frequency of violence on children, including sexual assaults, but they focused on the physical consequences. In April 1896, confident to have made a major breakthrough in psychiatry, Freud presented his findings to the Society for Psychiatry and Neurology in Vienna, his first major public address to his peers. His lecture met with total silence. According to Masson, Freud was urged never to publish it, lest his reputation be damaged beyond repair. He found himself isolated, but nevertheless published his paper, “The Aetiology of hysteria.”

Freud’s conclusions are drawn from 18 case studies (6 men and 12 women), all of which, he claims, bear his general thesis:

“I therefore put forward the thesis that at the bottom of every case of hysteria there are one or more occurrences of premature sexual experience, occurrences which belong to the earliest years of childhood but which can be reproduced through the work of psycho-analysis in spite of the intervening decades. I believe that this is an important finding, the discovery of a caput Nili in neuropathology.”

“Sexual experiences in childhood consisting in stimulation of the genitals, coitus-like acts, and so on, must therefore be recognized, in the last analysis, as being the traumas which lead to a hysterical reaction to events at puberty and to the development of hysterical symptoms.”

Freud suggests that this conclusion applies not only to hysteria but to most neuroses. Among other remarks, he suggests that children who aggress sexually other children do so as a result of having been sexually abused themselves: “children cannot find their way to acts of sexual aggression unless they have been seduced previously.”

However, one year after this article, Freud decided that he had made a mistake in believing his patients. He determined that what he had taken as repressed memories of sexual abuse, were in fact “phantasies.” For the rest of his life, he would keep telling how he overcame his error and discovered that “these phantasies were intended to cover up the auto-erotic activity of the first years of childhood, to embellish it and raise it to a higher plane. And now, from behind the phantasies, the whole range of a child’s sexual life came to light” (The History of the Psychoanalytic Movement, 1919).

From the standpoint of Freud’s earlier theory—which he euphemistically called the “seduction theory”—his new theory of spontaneous infantile sexual fantasies can be seen as a projection, not unlike sex offenders’ tendency to blame their victims: the patients themselves are now accused of both sexual passion and murderous fantasies toward their parents. By repressing these self-generated impulses, says Freudian orthodoxy, they have created their own neuroses which may, in hysterics, take the forms of false memories of abuse.

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Thirty-five years later, Freud’s most gifted disciple, once president of the International Psychoanalytical Association, stumbled on the same realization that Freud had shared in “The Aetiology of hysteria.” Sandor Ferenczi wrote in his diary in July 1932 that the Oedipus complex could well be “the result of real acts on the part of adults, namely violent passions directed toward the child, who then develops a fixation, not from desire [as Freud maintained], but from fear. ‘My mother and father will kill me if I don’t love them, and identify with their wishes.’” Overcoming his apprehension of Freud’s reaction, Ferenczi dared present his conclusions before the 12th International Psycho-Analytic Congress in a lecture titled “Confusion of tongues between the adults and the child”. His paper contains a number of important ideas confirmed by later research, such as the victims’ psychological “identification with the aggressor,” or “introjection”: “the aggressor disappears as external reality and becomes intrapsychic instead of extrapsychic,” so that even the guilt feelings of the aggressor are introjected. Ferenczi hypothesized that helplessness causes the victim to empathize with the aggressor, a process today known as “Stockholm syndrome”.

“Extreme adversity, especially fear of death,” may also trigger a premature development, for which Ferenczi uses the metaphor of “a fruit that ripens or becomes sweet prematurely when injured by the beak of a bird, or of the premature ripening of wormy fruit. Shock can cause a part of the person to mature suddenly, not only emotionally but intellectually as well.” Such traumatic maturation happens at the expense of psychological integration, and Ferenczi brings in the notion of a personality split: “there can be no shock, no fright, without traces of a personality split.” In his personal diary, reflecting on a patient who cannot remember having been raped, but dreams of it ceaselessly, Ferenczi writes:

“I know from other analyses that a part of our being can ‘die’ and while the remaining part of our self may survive the trauma, it awakens with a gap in its memory. Actually it is a gap in the personality, because not only is the memory of the struggle-to-the-death effaced, but all other associatively linked memories disappear… perhaps forever.”

1922 group portrait, with Ferenczi sitting next to Freud
1922 group portrait, with Ferenczi sitting next to Freud

This observation is consistent with the findings of French medical doctor and psychologist Pierre Janet (1859-1947), whose work has long been overshadowed by Freudian psychology but has generated increased interest since the 1980s. Janet theorized the first model of “dissociative identity disorders,” now included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. In Les Névroses (1909), Janet wrote: “Just as synthesis and association are the great characteristics of all normal psychological operations, so dissociation is the essential characteristic of all diseases of the mind.” Dissociation accounts for the evolution of traumatic memories, composed of physiological, sensory, affective, and cognitive experiences, which Janet calls “idées fixes.” These fragmented aspects of the experience do not allow a real memory to integrate the biography of the subject, and instead develop into separate psychic entities, which nevertheless interfere with the main personnality. In the most severe cases, it can develop into schizophrenia or multiple personnalities.

Ferenczi’s lecture “Confusion of tongues” met with the same disapproval from members of the Psycho-Analytic Association as Freud’s “Aetiology of hysteria” had met from Viennese psychiatrists. Ferenczi was ostracized by Freud and his sectarian disciples, and his paper was never translated in English for the International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, as was customary. He died a few years later, a broken man.

3. The hidden fault of the father

This story raises two questions: First, what is it that made Freud change his mind in the first place, and made him shun Ferenczi’s work thirty years later? Secondly, and more importantly, why was Freud’s theory so successful, despite being long proven scientifically flawed, and its therapeutic value baseless?

On the first question, Masson shares his “conviction that what Freud had uncovered in 1896—that, in many instances, children are the victims of sexual violence and abuse within their own families—became such a liability that he literally had to banish it from his consciousness.” This theory has been challenged, and Masson has been criticized for exaggerating the negative reaction to Freud’s seduction theory (read here). All that can be said with confidence is that his paper didn’t bring him the instant fame he expected.

Masson takes other factors into account. He believes that Freud was influenced by the wacky otorhinolaryngologist Wilhelm Fliess, unhappy inventor of the “nasal reflex neuroses,” with whom Freud had developed a very peculiar emotional bond (incidentally, Fliess’ son Robert would later write on sexual abuse and hint of his own abuse by his father). Masson is the editor of the unexpurgated version of Freud’s letters to Fliess (Freud destroyed Fliess’ letters, but failed to have his own letters destroyed), which provide unique information on the way Freud elaborated his theories (most important excerpts here). Yet at the end of his fascinating investigation, Masson admits that the full explanation for Freud’s sudden conversion eludes him.

Additional insight has been supplied by two books published almost simultaneously (1979), one in French and one in German, both translated in English in 1982: Marie Balmary, Freud and the Hidden Fault of the Father, and Marianne Krüll, Freud and His Father. Both draw extensively from Freud’s letters to Fliess, which document how Freud was led to his theoretical about-face by his introspective self-analysis. Balmary and Krüll point out that Freud undertook this self-analysis just after the death of his father Jacob. On November 2, 1896, ten days after his father’s death, Freud wrote to Fliess about a dream he had the night before the funeral, in which appeared a sign saying, “You are requested to close the eyes,” which he interpreted as referring to “one’s duty to the dead.” Yet on February 11, 1897, after mentioning that forced oral sex on children can result in neurotic symptoms, he adds: “Unfortunately, my own father was one of these perverts and is responsible for the hysteria of my brother (all of whose symptoms are identifications) and those of several younger sisters. The frequency of this circumstance often makes me wonder.” The following summer, he went through a depressive episode, and wrote on July 7: “I still do not know what has been happening to me. Something from the deepest depths of my own neurosis set itself against any advance in the understanding of the neuroses, and you have somehow been involved in it.” Soon after, September 21, he announced to his friend: “I want to confide in you immediately the great secret that has been slowly dawning on me in the last few months. I no longer believe in my neurotica [his seduction theory].” He gave as one explanation, “the surprise that in all cases, the father, not excluding my own, had to be accused of being perverse.” In the next letter, October 3, he wrote confidently that in the case of his own neurosis, “the old man plays no active part.” Finally, October 15, he referred to the Oedipus story:

“A single idea of general value dawned on me. I have found, in my own case too, [the phenomenon of] being in love with my mother and jealous of my father, and I now consider it a universal event in early childhood.”

Sigmund and his father Jacob in 1854
Sigmund and his father Jacob in 1854

Balmary and Krüll independently build a strong case that Freud backed off from a theory which tarnished the ideal image of the father he was grieving. After his father’s death, Freud felt constrained by a mandate that he was unable to resist, and hence, “dutiful son that he was, took the guilt upon his own shoulders with the help of his Oedipus theory” (Krüll, p. 179). Balmary and Krüll bring in the equation a recent biographical discovery of Jacob Freud’s less than perfect behavior; a forgotten second wife named Rebecca, who mysteriously disappears, possibly by suicide, at the time of Jacob’s marriage with his third wife, the beautiful Amelia Nathansohn, half his age and already pregnant of Sigmund (a fact Jacob tried to conceal by falsifying Sigmund’s date of birth). In light of post-Freudian developments in transgenerational depth-psychology,[2]For instance, Nicolas Abraham and Maria Török, L’Écorce et le Noyau, Aubier-Flammarion, 1978. it is possible that Freud had from early age an intuitive sense of a “hidden fault of the father” linked to his own identity, which may have combined with memories of his father’s sexual abuse on himself and his brother and sisters. During his self-analysis at the age of 40, the whole thing came knocking at the door of his consciousness, but he finally surrendered to the subconscious imperative to “close the eyes.” To cover-up the menacing truth of his father’s faults, Freud invented the Oedipus complex, charging children themselves of “polymorphous perversion.”

Balmary points out that, in his personnal identification with the hero Oedipus (who solved the riddle of the Sphinx), Freud truncated the myth. According to Greek tragedians, Oedipus’ father Laius was cursed by the gods for seducing a young teenage boy and leading to his suicide. Then, frightened by the oracle’s prophecy that he would be killed by his own son if he conceived one, Laius had his newborn son abandoned in the forest, “ankles pierced by the middle with iron spikes” (Euripides, The Phoenician Maidens). Thus, in the complete myth, Oedipus’ predestination to kill his father and marry his mother is not determined by his own impulses, but by the fault of his father. For Balmary, Freud’s ignorance of this part of the myth reveals and symbolizes his own blind spot, his failure to discover the secret guilt of the father—both his own father and, by consequence, the fathers of his neurotic and hysterical patients.

4. The “dark, emotional powers” of Jewishness

Neither Masson not Balmary deal with the Jewish aspect of the issue. Marianne Krüll hints that the father’s mandate to “close the eyes” was a question of “filial piety on which, ultimately, the entire Jewish tradition is based” (Krüll, p. 178), but, although Jewish herself, she does not insist on that aspect.

For an interesting reflection on the Jewish hidden background of the Oedipus complex, we can turn to the very stimulating book of John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility.[3]John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), chapter 4, pp. 48-57. The author points out that Freud had been fascinated by Sophocles’ play Oedipus Rex from his adolescence. When he saw it played in 1885, it made again a deep and mysterious impression on him. Twelve years later, he wrote to Fliess (October 15, 1897) that he has found, with his new theory of universal repressed wishes of incest and parricide, the explanation for “the gripping power of Oedipus Rex.” In other words, comments Cuddihy, Freud “proposes a theory to explain the play’s power over him and to make ‘intelligible’ why he should identify so deeply with its hero, Oedipus. It is in the course of that effort that the core of the theory of psychoanalysis is born.”

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But then, Cuddihy suggests that Freud failed to see the real origin of his fascination with Oedipus Rex. What had resonated deeply in him from the time he first read Oedipus Rex was not so much the general plot of the play (the hero killing his father and marrying his mother), as the circumstances in which Oedipus killed his father: coming down a narrow road, Oedipus was rudely ordered to step aside by the herald of the king, then was struck on the head by the king himself. Enraged, Oedipus slew the king, his herald and the rest of his retinue except one. This story—not acted but narrated in the play—bears an uncanny resemblance with another story that had made a lasting impression on Freud a few years earlier, as he explained in The Interpretation of Dreams. This is a story that his father, a shtetl Jew from Moravia—where Sigmund was born—, had told him when he was ten or twelve years old,

“to show how much better things were now than they had been in his days. ‘When I was a young man,’ he said, ‘I went for a walk one Saturday in the streets of your birthplace; I was well dressed, and had a new cap on my head. A Christian came up to me and with a single blow knocked off my cap into the mud and shouted: ‘Jew! get off the pavement!’ ‘And what did you do?’ I asked. ‘I went into the roadway and picked up my cap,’ was his quiet reply. This struck me as unheroic conduct on the part of the big, strong man who was holding the little boy by the hand. I had contrasted this situation with another which befitted my feelings better: the scene in which Hannibal’s father, Hamilcar Barca, made his boy swear before the household altar to take vengeance on the Romans. Ever since that time Hannibal had had a place in my fantasies.”

Freud, Cuddihy argues, had experienced shame of his father, and “to be ashamed of a father is a kind of ‘moral parricide.’”

“Freud presumably experienced not only this rage and shame, but guilt about the rage and shame. He quickly ‘censored’ these unacceptable feelings, unacceptable to a dutiful son ostensibly proud of his father; he ‘repressed’ them. Years later he encounters Sophocles’ tragedy and it lays a spell on him.”

Still later, after his father’s death, he rationalized this spell with a universal theory that discharged him from further inquiry into his own family story. “But the idee fixe that Oedipus was to become for Freud,” Cuddihy maintains, “hinges on a small detail (small, but structurally indispensable for the action of the story) that Freud never mentions in all the countless times he retells the ‘legend’: … a social insult, a discourtesy on the road, stemming from someone in a position of social superiority (King Laius to the unknown wayfarer, Oedipus, just as the Christian in Freiberg who forced Jacob Freud into the gutter).” According to Cuddihy, the supposedly universal “Oedipus Complex” that Freud thought he discovered was in reality the veil of a characteristically Jewish complex of his time.

Even if we judge that thesis overstrained (it is questionable how the phantasies of avenging and killing the father could merge), we can appreciate how Cuddihy draws attention to the fact that Freud’s father—the father whom he felt compelled to exculpate, but toward whom he nevertheless experienced a murder wish—was a Jewish father recently immigrated from Yiddishland into the heart of European civilization.

Freud’s disciple and first biographer Ernest Jones remarks that Freud “felt himself to be Jewish to the core, and evidently it meant a great deal to him.”[4]Ernest Jones, The Life and Work of Sigmund Freud, vol. 1, The FormativeYears and the Great Discoveries, 1856-1900, Basic Books, 1953, p. 22, quoted by John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), p. 24. Books dealing specifically with Freud’s Jewishness (such as Moshe Gresser, Dual Allegiance: Freud as a Modern Jew, Sunny Press, 1994) can rely on several statements made by Freud himself, either in private correspondence or in Jewish environment. In the preface for the Hebrew translation of Totem and Taboo, for example, asking himself rhetorically what is Jewish in his work, Freud answered: “a very great deal, and probably its very essence.”[5]Richard J. Bernstein, Freud and the Legacy of Moses, Cambridge UP, 1998, p. 1, on http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216/30962/sample/9...eb.pdf In a speech prepared for delivery at the B’nai B’rith Lodge in Vienna in 1926, Freud explained his motivation for joining thirty years earlier (1897):

“Whenever I have experienced feelings of national exaltation, I have tried to suppress them as disastrous and unfair, frightened by the warning example of those nations among which we Jews live. But there remained enough to make the attraction of Judaism and the Jews irresistible, many dark emotional powers all the stronger the less they could be expressed in words, as well as the clear consciousness of an inner identity, the familiarity of the same psychological structure. … So I became one of you.”[6]Sigmund Freud, “On Being of the B’nai B’rith,” reprinted in Commentary, March 1946, pp. 23-24, quoted in Peter Homans, The Ability to Mourn: Disillusionment and the Social Origins of Psychoanalysis, University of Chicago Press, 1989, p. 71.

This statement is an excellent illustration of what Cuddihy calls “the ordeal of civility,” the struggle of every Jew who wishes to assimilate yet feels unable to overcome the “dark emotional powers” of his ancestral Jewishness, with its implicit imperative not to assimilate. Jewishness has much to do with what Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy calls those “invisible loyalties” that can bind a person to his ancestors, by an irresistible system of values, obligations and debts.[7]Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy, Invisible Loyalties: Reciprocity in Intergenerational Family Therapy, Harper & Row, 1973. The question is to what extent Freud’s psychoanalytical theory is the result of Freud’s surrender to those “dark emotional powers.”

We must take Freud seriously when he tells us, in The Interpretation of Dreams, that his own Jewishness took the form of an identification with Hannibal, and the fantasy of “taking vengeance on the Romans.” He went on to say:

“I myself had walked in Hannibal’s footsteps … Hannibal, with whom I had achieved this point of similarity, had been my favourite hero during my years at the Gymnasium; … Moreover, when I finally came to realize the consequences of belonging to an alien race, and was forced by the anti-Semitic feeling among my classmates to take a definite stand, the figure of the Semitic commander assumed still greater proportions in my imagination. Hannibal and Rome symbolized, in my youthful eyes, the struggle between the tenacity of the Jews and the organization of the Catholic Church. The significance for our emotional life which the anti-Semitic movement has since assumed helped to fix the thoughts and impressions of those earlier days. Thus the desire to go to Rome has in my dream-life become the mask and symbol for a number of warmly cherished wishes, for whose realization one had to work with the tenacity and single-mindedness of the Punic general, though their fulfillment at times seemed as remote as Hannibal’s life-long wish to enter Rome.”

The significance of this public confession, printed in 1899 for all the world to read, cannot be overestimated. Here Freud names as the driving force in his life the fantasy of entering Rome (the Christian world) and destroying it to avenge the Phoenicians (the Jews).

If Freud was deeply influenced by his Jewish background, so were the other founding members of the psychoanalytical movement. Dennis Klein writes in Jewish Origins of the Psychoanalytic Movement:

“From its beginning in 1902 to 1906, all 17 members were Jewish. The full significance of this number lies again in the way their viewed themselves, for the analysts were aware of their Jewishness and frequently maintained a sense of Jewish purpose and solidarity. … this feeling of positive Jewish pride formed the matrix of the movement in the psychoanalytic circle: As a spur to renewed independence, it tightened the bond among the members and powered their self-image of a redemptive elite.”[8]Dennis B Klein, Jewish origins of the psychoanalytic movement, The University of Chicago press, 1985, p. xi.

The exception is Carl Jung, whom Freud named president of the International Psychoanalytical Association in 1910 precisely to deflect the reproach that psychoanalysis was a “Jewish science.”[9]Andrew Heinze, Jews and the American Soul: Human Nature in the Twentieth Century, Princeton University Press, 2004. Interestingly, Jung is the only member who never subscribed to Freud’s theory of infantile sexuality. In response to a letter by Karl Abraham, who complained that “Jung seems to be reverting to his former spiritualistic inclinations,” Freud explained : “it is really easier for you than it is for Jung to follow my ideas, for … you stand nearer to my intellectual constitution because of racial kinship (Rassenverwandtschaft).” Freud asked Abraham not to antagonize Jung because “it was only by his appearance on the scene that psychoanalysis escaped the danger of becoming a Jewish national affair.”[10]Moshe Gresser, Dual Allegiance: Freud as a Modern Jew, State University of New York Press, 1994, p. 138; Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility, op. cit., p. 77.

In contrast to Jung, Abraham was the most zealot supporter of Freud’s theory of infantile sexuality. In The History of the Psychoanalytic Movement, 1919, Freud wrote that, “The last word in the question of traumatic etiology was later on said by Abraham, when he drew attention to the fact that just the peculiar nature of the child’s sexual constitution enables it to provoke sexual experiences of a peculiar kind, that is to say, traumas” (self-inflicted traumas, so to speak). Freud was referring to a 1907 paper by Abraham, “The Experiencing of Sexual Trauma as a Form of Sexual Activity.” It is perhaps significant that Abraham, son of an Orthodox rabbi, was also the most ethnocentric of Freud’s disciples. He wrote in 1913 an essay “On Neurotic Exogamy,” diagnosing Jewish men who say they “could never marry a Jewess” with a neurosis resulting from “disappointed incestuous love.”[11]Karl Abraham, “On Neurotic Exogamy,” in Clinical Papers and Essays on Psycho-analysis: The Selected Papers of Karl Abraham, ed. Hilda Abraham, trans. Hilda Abraham and D. R. Elison, Basic Books, 1955, p. 48-50.

5. Denial, projection, inversion

I suggest that Freud’s abandon of the seduction theory and its cover-up by the Oedipus complex were motivated, half-unconsciously at least, by Freud’s loyalty, not only to his father, but to his Jewish community. In the 1890s, Freud’s clientele was drawn exclusively from the Jewish middle class. Imagine if Freud’s seduction theory had earned him the recognition he craved for: although he disguised the identity of his patients in his case studies, it would not have been long before his work was attacked, not just as “Jewish science,” but as evidence of the depravity of Jewish mores.

However, I don’t think Freud reasoned consciously in this manner. As he was turning a blind eye on the incestuous sexuality of his patients’ families, his blindness was not fake, but psychologically constrained; it is the blindness that characterizes Jewishness. At the core, Jewishness is the conviction, deeply internalized from the earliest age, of the superiority of Jews over non-Jews—“chosenness”. Anything contradicting this superiority creates a cognitive dissonance which is overcome by denial.

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Denial means projection: to protect the dirty secret of child abuse in Jewish families—including his own—, Freud projected an imaginary repressed infantile perversion on all mankind. Projection, in turn, means inversion: Freud’s close disciple Otto Rank claimed that Jews had a more primitive, and therefore more healthy sexuality than Gentiles (Rank, “The Essence of Judaism,” 1905). Freudians and Freudo-Marxists have systematically denounced Christian civilization as suffering from sexual repression. According to Wilhelm Reich, anti-Semitism is itself a symptom of sexual frustration, and could be cured by sexual liberation (The Mass Psychology of Fascism, 1934)—an improvement from Leo Pinsker’s theory that Judeophobia was a “hereditary” and “incurable” “disease transmitted for two thousand years.”[12]Leon Pinsker, Auto-Emancipation: An Appeal to His People by a Russian Jew, 1882, on www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/pinsker.html In order to understand the psychological background of this Reichian messianic mission to cure the Christian West, and in order to see more clearly the projective nature of the psychoanalytical theory of repression, it is helpful to know the personal story of Wilhelm Reich, which reads as a caricature of Freud’s: At ten years old, when he realized that his mother was having an affair with his tutor, the young Wilhelm thought of blackmailing his mother into having sex with him. Eventually, he confided in his father about his mother’s adultery. In 1910, after a period of beatings from his father, his mother committed suicide, for which Reich blamed himself.[13]Myron Sharaf, Fury on Earth: A Biography of Wilhelm Reich, St. Martin’s Press, 1983, retold by Gilad Atzmon in Being in Time: A Post-Political Manifesto, Skyscraper, 2017, pp. 93-94.

One of the most puzzling aspects of Jews’ relationship with their host nations is its ambivalence—patterned on biblical “history”: within Jewish thinking, saving the nations and destroying them are not two sides of the same coin, but one and the same, because what nations are supposed to be cured of is their very identity (their gods, in biblical terms). According to Andrew Heinze, author of Jews and the American Soul, Jews have shaped “American ideas about the mind and soul” with the preoccupation “to purge the evils they associated with Christian civilization.”[14]Andrew Heinze, Jews and the American Soul: Human Nature in the Twentieth Century, Princeton University Press, 2006, pp. 3, 352. It really started with Freud. In September 1909, invited to give a series of lectures in New England, Freud jokingly asked his companions, Sandor Ferenczi and Carl Jung: “Don‘t they know we’re bringing them the plague?”[15]George Prochnik, Putnam Camp: Sigmund Freud, James Jackson Putnam, and the Purpose of American Psychology, Other Press, 2006, p. 422. An extraordinary statement for a medical doctor pretending to have found a “cure” for neurosis. And a prophetic one: Freudism became a justification for a sexual “liberation” that can be seen in retrospect as a massive sexual abuse of the youth.

Sigmund’s grandson Sir Clement Freud, British MP, pedophile, rapist, and suspected murderer of a three-year-old girl
Sigmund’s grandson Sir Clement Freud, British MP, pedophile, rapist, and suspected murderer of a three-year-old girl

6. B’nai B’rith and the road to fame

By a stunning coincidence, Freud was initiated into the recently founded B’nai B’rith in September 1897, precisely the time of his conversion to the dogma of infantile sexuality. Dennis Klein writes in chapter 3 of his book (“The Prefiguring of the Psychoanalytic Movement: Freud and the B’nai B’rith”) that after the bitter disappointment of being denied professorship, “Freud filled, through the B’nai B’rith, the professional as well as the social vacuum in his life.” He was a very active member attending almost every meeting during the first decade, his most productive years. He recruited at least three members and in 1901 was a founding father of a second lodge in Vienna, the Harmony Lodge. The same year, he gave a talk on “Goals and Purposes of the B’nai B’rith Societies.” Freud often presented his work to the B’nai B’rith before publishing it. In this respect, writes Klein, the Viennese B’nai B’rith lodge “was a precursor of the movement of psychoanalysis.” “After his death in 1939, the B’nai B’rith of Vienna continued, relentlessly, the support granted during his lifetime to the famous ‘brother.’”[16]Dennis B. Klein, Jewish origins of the psychoanalytic movement, The University of Chicago press, 1985, p. 74; Alain Lelouch, “Freud (1856-1939) au B’nai B’rith,” on https://www.bbfrance.org/Freud-1856-1939-au-B-nai-B-...4.html

To what extent were the B’nai B’rith masonic meetings influential in Freud’s swing from the seduction theory to the Oedipus theory? No one can say. However, we can hold as fairly certain that Freud’s membership in the B’nai B’rith was influential in his becoming one of the major intellectual stars and gurus of modernity.

As a scientist, Freud was a failure, duped by his own unconscious and his unrealistic confidence that he could solve the human enigma by self-analysis alone. He was also an impostor who, in his published case studies, invented cures when they was none (as investigations into the real biographies of his patients have shown).[17]Richard Webster, Why Freud was Wrong, Orwell Edition, 2005. True, he was sometimes insightful. But the hagiographic image of Freud as the “discoverer of the unconscious” is totally unwarranted, as Henri Ellenberger has shown in his classic study, The Discovery of the Unconscious:

“throughout the nineteenth century there existed a well-rounded system of dynamic psychiatry. … The basic features of the first dynamic psychiatry were the use of hypnosis as an approach to the unconscious mind, the interest in certain specific conditions called ‘magnetic diseases,’ the concept of a dual model of the mind with a conscious and an unconscious ego, the belief in the psychogenesis of many emotional and physical conditions, and the use of specific psychotherapeutic procedures; the therapeutic channel was seen as being the ‘rapport’ between hypnotist and patient. … the cultural impact of the first dynamic psychiatry was far greater than is generally believed.”[18]Henri F. Ellenberger, The Discovery of the Unconscious: The History and Evolution of Dynamic Psychiatry, Basic Books, 1981, p. vii.

It could easily be argued that, in matters of psychology, every sensible thing that Freud said had been said before him, and that almost everything he said that hadn’t been said before has been proven wrong.

So why did Freud become so famous? The long answer is that Freud benefitted from the same kind of communication networking that produced many other Jewish intellectual “geniuses”, and made French novelist André Gide comment in 1914 (in his diary) about “this tendency to constantly emphasize the Jew, … this predisposition to recognizing in him talent, even genius”[19]André Gide, Œuvres complètes, Gallimard, 1933, tome VIII, p. 571. The shorter answer to the question above is: B’nai B’rith. I will not suggest that the B’nai B’rith supported Freud’s Oedipus theory because they saw its potential for the moral corruption of the West. Nor do I suggest that the B’nai B’rith and Freud conspired to ruin Western civilization with the pestilential idea of infantile sexuality. But I do suggest that, had Freud maintained his earlier conviction in the reality of the abuses suffered by his Jewish patients, he would not have received as much support.

To clarify this point, it is appropriate to recall a memorable demonstration of power by the B’nai B’rith, which has an obvious relevance to Freud’s intellectual biography. In 1913, the B’nai B’rith created the Anti-Defamation League to save the life and the reputation of Leo Frank, the wealthy young president of the Atlanta chapter of B’nai B’rith, who was convicted of the rape and murder of Mary Phagan, a thirteen-year-old girl working in his pencil factory. The evidence for Frank’s guilt was overwhelming, but tremendous financial resources were deployed for his legal defense—including false testimonies—and an intense publicity was orchestrated in the news media, with the New York Times devoting enormous coverage to the case. I quote from Ron Unz’s article:

“For almost two years, the nearly limitless funds deployed by Frank’s supporters covered the costs of thirteen separate appeals on the state and federal levels, including to the U.S. Supreme Court, while the national media was used to endlessly vilify Georgia’s system of justice in the harshest possible terms. Naturally, this soon generated a local reaction, and during this period outraged Georgians began denouncing the wealthy Jews who were spending such enormous sums to subvert the local criminal justice system. … All appeals were ultimately rejected and Frank’s execution date for the rape and murder of the young girl finally drew near. But just days before he was scheduled to leave office, Georgia’s outgoing governor commuted Frank’s sentence, provoking an enormous storm of popular protest, especially since he was the legal partner of Frank’s chief defense lawyer, an obvious conflict of interest. … A few weeks later, a group of Georgia citizens stormed Frank’s prison farm, abducting and hanging him, with Frank becoming the first and only Jew lynched in American history.”

Thanks to the mobilization of the Jewish power elite—“as one man”—, Leo Frank has been turned from a convicted pedophile and child murderer into a martyr of anti-Semitism. We don’t know what Freud thought of the case, but there is an obvious resonance between his “assault on truth” and the B’nai B’rith’s. If young Mary Phagan had visited a Freudian psychoanalyst before her atrocious death, and complained of her boss’ sexual overtures, she probably would have been told about her own “penis envy”; had she protested, she would have been told that her protest proved her sexual repression—exactly as happened to Freud’s patient Dora, Ida Bauer by her real name, an eighteen-year-old girl suffering from hysterical symptoms.[20]Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, Praeger, 1998, p. 124.

Mary Phagan
Mary Phagan

7. The Isaac complex

The son’s repressed wish to murder his father is perhaps Freud’s most fertile intuition. The problem is with Freud’s abusive generalization. Only the neurotic son of a destructive and manipulative father has a repressed wish to “kill the father.” Freud discovered this impulse in himself, and, confounding his self-analysis for a scientific quest of universal laws, he projected it on all mankind. But the fact that Freud’s Jewish disciples all discovered the same impulse, and that Freudism became so widely accepted by Jews, suggests that Freud’s generalization was not without merit. It only suffered from the tendency of Jewish intellectuals to project Jewish issues on all humankind. The child’s repressed wish to kill his father is not universally human, but may be characteristically Jewish. For the Jewish father is the guardian of Jewishness and the representative of the Jewish god. And every Jew aspires in the depth of his soul to free himself from Yahweh, the archetypal abusive and castrating Father. As Philip Roth’s character Smilesburger says in Operation Shylock: “To appeal to a crazy, violent father, and for three thousand years, that is what it is to be a crazy Jew!”[21]Philip Roth, Operation Shylock: A Confession, Simon & Schuster, 1993, p. 110. And so the secret wish to murder the Jewish father is also a secret wish for the death of the Jewish god. It is therefore identical with the so-called “Jewish self-hatred” that Theodor Lessing saw as affecting every Jew without exception: “There is not a single man of Jewish blood in whom cannot be detected at least the beginning of Jewish self-hatred.”[22]Theodor Lessing, La Haine de soi: ou le refus d’être juif (1930), Pocket, 2011, pp. 68.

By choosing a Greek myth as a metaphor for his theory, Freud was projecting on Gentiles a Jewish problem. Had he recognized the Jewish overtone of the complex, he might have called it the “Isaac complex,” since Isaac is the son that Abraham was willing to slaughter.

The expression “Isaac complex” has actually been used by French heterodox psychoanalyst Jean-Pierre Fresco, who defines it as “the overall consequences in the son’s psyche of a father perceived as psychologically menacing, destroying or murderous.”[23]Jean-Pierre Fresco, “Kafka et le complexe d’Isaac ,” Le Coq-Héron, 2003/2 (n° 173), pp. 108-120, on www.cairn.info/revue-le-coq-heron-2003-2-page-108.htm Fresco calls such a father “Abrahamic.” He draws his insight from a reading of Franz Kafka’s autobiographical and posthumously published Letter to the father, in which Kafka describes the devastating effect on his personality of a father whose means of education were “abuse, threats, irony, spiteful laughter, and—oddly enough—self-pity.” Kafka also wrote to his father: “My writing was all about you, all I did there, after all, was to bemoan what I could not bemoan upon your breast.”

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Kafka’s major novels refer autobiographically to his relationship with his father and its deleterious psychic consequences. The Metamorphosis tells of Gregor Samsa’s transformation into a repulsive insect chased and killed by his father, whose incestuous violence is suggested in the scene where the father attacks his son from behind with a cane, tapping his feet and “pushing out sibilants, like a wild man.” After the death of Gregor appears his sister Grete, his double in the other sex, the homosexualized son. In The Verdict, Georg (anagram of Gregor) has just become engaged with Frieda Brandenfeld (same initials as Felice Bauer, the woman that Kafka had just started dating), and announces it to his father. The father opposes a terrible prohibition to this project of marriage, accompanied by extreme narcissistic violence. The paternal prohibition of emancipation through marriage is linked to an incestuous domination that becomes clear when Georg submissively proposes to the father to exchange beds. Fresco also finds the psychic trace of the father in Kafka’s novel The Trial, whose narrator Joseph K. was arrested without knowing who slandered him nor who will judge him. According to Fresco, this uncomprehensible and omnipotent slanderer-accuser-judge is “the palimpsest of an archaic Abrahamic father unconsciously introjected as an archaic and sadistic superego, and turned into an inner persecutor.”

I find it very significant that Kafka—by his own admission—drew his inspiration from his experience as the son of a psychopathic father, while his Jewish literary critics consider him quintessentially Jewish. “By common consent,” said Harold Bloom, “Kafka is not only the strongest modern Jewish writer, but the Jewish writer.”[24]“Foreword” in Yosef Hayim Yerushalmi, Zakhor: Jewish History and Jewish Memory (1982), University of Washington Press, 2011. (Hence Israel’s decade-long legal battle to secure his autograph manuscripts as national treasure.) Who is right, of Kafka and his critics? Does his genius come from his being Jewish, or from his having a psychopathic father? Obviously, it is impossible to distinguish the two factors, because the psychopathic father happens to be Jewish; he is, in Fresco’s terms, the typical “Abrahamic father.” But are not all Jewish fathers Abrahamic in the measure of their Jewishness? Is not the Jewish god a psychopathic father—and the psychopathic father a Jewish god?

Kafka perceived his sadistic father as a cruel divinity, whose laws were totally arbitrary and yet unquestionable, just like the Jewish god: “for me as a child everything you called out to me was positively a heavenly commandment,” he wrote in his Letter to the Father. “From your armchair you ruled the world. Your opinion was correct, every other was mad, wild, meshugge, not normal. Your self-confidence indeed was so great that you had no need to be consistent at all and yet never ceased to be in the right.”

“Hence the world was for me divided into three parts: one in which I, the slave, lived under laws that had been invented only for me and which I could, I did not know why, never completely comply with; then a second world, which was infinitely remote from mine, in which you lived, concerned with government, with the issuing of orders and with the annoyance about their not being obeyed; and finally a third world where everybody else lived happily and free from orders and from having to obey. I was continually in disgrace; either I obeyed your orders, and that was a disgrace, for they applied, after all, only to me; or I was defiant, and that was a disgrace too, for how could I presume to defy you; or I could not obey because I did not, for instance, have your strength, your appetite, your skill, although you expected it of me as a matter of course; this was the greatest disgrace of all.”

8. The trauma of eight-day circumcision

Above all, the Abrahamic father is the executionneer of the commandment given to Abraham: “As soon as he is eight days old, every one of your males, generation after generation, must be circumcised” (Genesis 17:12). Had Freud preserved his original insight into the psychological damage of sexual abuse on children, he might have eventually reflected on the impact of neonatal circumcision. But he has been rather discreet on the subject—though he didn’t have his own sons circumcised. He broaches it in his latest books, but only in the context of anthropological speculations. In New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis, he speculated that “during the human family’s primeval period, castration used to be carried out by a jealous and cruel father upon growing boys,” and that “circumcision, which so frequently plays a part in puberty rites among primitive people, is a clearly recognizable relic of it.”[25]Sigmund Freud, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis (1933), Hogarth Press, 1964, p. 86. Freud went further in Moses and Monotheism:

“Circumcision is a symbolical substitute of castration, a punishment which the primeval father dealt his sons long ago out of the awfulness of his power, and whosoever accepted this symbol showed by so doing that he was ready to submit to his father’s will, although it was at the cost of a painful sacrifice.”[26]Sigmund Freud, Moses and Monotheism, Hogarth Press, 1939, p. 192.

Interestingly, Freud originally got that idea from Sandor Ferenczi, who had written in an article that greatly impressed Freud, that circumcision is “a means of inspiring terror, a symbol of castration by the father.”[27]Sandor Ferenczi, Further Contributions to the Theory and Technique of Psycho-Analysis (1926), Hogart Press, 1999, p. 228.

But we note that in the above quotations Freud isn’t referring to Jewish circumcision of eight-day-old children, only to circumcision of adolescent boys. Given the Jewish undercurrent in Freud’s intellectual biography, it is reasonable to assume that his inability to deal with the issue of Jewish neonatal circumcision is connected to his refusal to face the devastating reality of child abuse. Isn’t the first abuse suffered by every Jewish male from the part of his parents and kins, circumcision on the eighth day? It physically impresses on every Jew, and on all Jews collectively, the traumatic domination of Yahweh and his Covenant.

The psychological impact of neonatal circumcision, performed without anesthesia and causing unbearable pain, has been studied by Professor Ronald Goldman, author of Circumcision, the Hidden Trauma. His research shows a disturbance in the mother-child bonding process after the ritual.[28]Ronald Goldman, Circumcision, the Hidden Trauma: How an American Cultural Practice Affects Infants and Ultimately Us All, Vanguard, 1997. Testimonies from “Mothers Who Observed Circumcision” show that the mothers’ guilt is also part of the equation. Here is one, from Elizabeth Pickard-Ginsburg:

“I don’t feel I can recover from it. […] We had this beautiful baby boy and seven beautiful days and this beautiful rhythm starting, and it was like something had been shattered! … When he was first born there was a tie with my young one, my newborn. And when the circumcision happened, in order to allow it I had to cut off the bond. I had to cut off my natural instincts, and in doing so I cut off a lot of feelings towards Jesse. I cut it off to repress the pain and to repress the natural instinct to stop the circumcision.”

The unnatural incestuous wish that Freud and his Jewish male disciples discovered in their repressed unconscious could perhaps be explained as a result of the inhibition in mother-child bonding caused by the trauma of neonatal circumcision. A trauma caused at this age has little chance to ever be brought back into consciousness and be healed. More research is perhaps needed on the possible link between Jewish circumcision and the fact, according to the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, that “the Jews are more subject to diseases of the nervous system than the other races and peoples among which they dwell.”[29]“Nervous diseases,” by Joseph Jacobs and Maurice Fishberg, on www.jewishency
clopedia.com/articles/11446-nervous-diseases.
Research done by sociologist Leo Srole in 1962 showed that the rate of neuroses and character disorders among Jews was about three times as high as among Catholics and Protestants.[30]Leo Srole, Mental Health in the Metropolis: The Midtown Manhattan Study, McGraw-Hill, 1962, New York UP, 1978; Nathan Agi, “The Neurotic Jew,” The Beacon, December 5, 2011.

In The Future of an Illusion, Sigmund Freud describes “religion”—meaning essentially Christianity—as a “universal obsessional neurosis” which has for believers the merit that “their acceptance of the universal neurosis spares them the task of constructing a personal one.”[31]Sigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion, Hogarth Press, 1928 , p. 76. With a similar approach, Judaism can be described as a “collective sociopathy.” This does not mean that “the Jews” are sociopaths, but rather that, in proportion to the degree of their identification as Jews, they are victims of a sociopathic mindset patterned from the Tanakh, “marked in their flesh” (impressed traumatically in their subconscious) by circumcision, and fuel by their elites with the paranoia of anti-Semitism. The difference between collective sociopathy and individual sociopathy is the same as between collective neurosis and individual neurosis according to Freud: participation in a collective sociopathic mentality allows members of the community to channel sociopathic tendencies toward the outside of the community, and to maintain inside a high degree of sociability.

Laurent Guyénot, Ph.D., is the author of From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land … Clash of Civilizations, 2018, and JFK-9/11: 50 years of Deep State, Progressive Press, 2014.

Notes

[1] Jeffrey Masson, The Assault on Truth: Freud’s Suppression of the Seduction Theory, Farrar Strauss & Giroud, 1984.

[2] For instance, Nicolas Abraham and Maria Török, L’Écorce et le Noyau, Aubier-Flammarion, 1978.

[3] John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), chapter 4, pp. 48-57.

[4] Ernest Jones, The Life and Work of Sigmund Freud, vol. 1, The FormativeYears and the Great Discoveries, 1856-1900, Basic Books, 1953, p. 22, quoted by John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), p. 24.

[5] Richard J. Bernstein, Freud and the Legacy of Moses, Cambridge UP, 1998, p. 1, on http://assets.cambridge.org/97805216/30962/sample/9780521630962web.pdf

[6] Sigmund Freud, “On Being of the B’nai B’rith,” reprinted in Commentary, March 1946, pp. 23-24, quoted in Peter Homans, The Ability to Mourn: Disillusionment and the Social Origins of Psychoanalysis, University of Chicago Press, 1989, p. 71.

[7] Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy, Invisible Loyalties: Reciprocity in Intergenerational Family Therapy, Harper & Row, 1973.

[8] Dennis B Klein, Jewish origins of the psychoanalytic movement, The University of Chicago press, 1985, p. xi.

[9] Andrew Heinze, Jews and the American Soul: Human Nature in the Twentieth Century, Princeton University Press, 2004.

[10] Moshe Gresser, Dual Allegiance: Freud as a Modern Jew, State University of New York Press, 1994, p. 138; Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility, op. cit., p. 77.

[11] Karl Abraham, “On Neurotic Exogamy,” in Clinical Papers and Essays on Psycho-analysis: The Selected Papers of Karl Abraham, ed. Hilda Abraham, trans. Hilda Abraham and D. R. Elison, Basic Books, 1955, p. 48-50.

[12] Leon Pinsker, Auto-Emancipation: An Appeal to His People by a Russian Jew, 1882, on www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/pinsker.html

[13] Myron Sharaf, Fury on Earth: A Biography of Wilhelm Reich, St. Martin’s Press, 1983, retold by Gilad Atzmon in Being in Time: A Post-Political Manifesto, Skyscraper, 2017, pp. 93-94.

[14] Andrew Heinze, Jews and the American Soul: Human Nature in the Twentieth Century, Princeton University Press, 2006, pp. 3, 352.

[15] George Prochnik, Putnam Camp: Sigmund Freud, James Jackson Putnam, and the Purpose of American Psychology, Other Press, 2006, p. 422.

[16] Dennis B. Klein, Jewish origins of the psychoanalytic movement, The University of Chicago press, 1985, p. 74; Alain Lelouch, “Freud (1856-1939) au B’nai B’rith,” on https://www.bbfrance.org/Freud-1856-1939-au-B-nai-B-rith_a24.html

[17] Richard Webster, Why Freud was Wrong, Orwell Edition, 2005.

[18] Henri F. Ellenberger, The Discovery of the Unconscious: The History and Evolution of Dynamic Psychiatry, Basic Books, 1981, p. vii.

[19] André Gide, Œuvres complètes, Gallimard, 1933, tome VIII, p. 571.

[20] Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, Praeger, 1998, p. 124.

[21] Philip Roth, Operation Shylock: A Confession, Simon & Schuster, 1993, p. 110.

[22] Theodor Lessing, La Haine de soi: ou le refus d’être juif (1930), Pocket, 2011, pp. 68.

[23] Jean-Pierre Fresco, “Kafka et le complexe d’Isaac ,” Le Coq-Héron, 2003/2 (n° 173), pp. 108-120, on www.cairn.info/revue-le-coq-heron-2003-2-page-108.htm

[24] “Foreword” in Yosef Hayim Yerushalmi, Zakhor: Jewish History and Jewish Memory (1982), University of Washington Press, 2011.

[25] Sigmund Freud, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis (1933), Hogarth Press, 1964, p. 86.

[26] Sigmund Freud, Moses and Monotheism, Hogarth Press, 1939, p. 192.

[27] Sandor Ferenczi, Further Contributions to the Theory and Technique of Psycho-Analysis (1926), Hogart Press, 1999, p. 228.

[28] Ronald Goldman, Circumcision, the Hidden Trauma: How an American Cultural Practice Affects Infants and Ultimately Us All, Vanguard, 1997.

[29] “Nervous diseases,” by Joseph Jacobs and Maurice Fishberg, on www.jewishency
clopedia.com/articles/11446-nervous-diseases.

[30] Leo Srole, Mental Health in the Metropolis: The Midtown Manhattan Study, McGraw-Hill, 1962, New York UP, 1978; Nathan Agi, “The Neurotic Jew,” The Beacon, December 5, 2011.

[31] Sigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion, Hogarth Press, 1928 , p. 76.

 
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  1. It’s an interesting piece. Two related questions come to mind.

    First, the piece is of course about Freud’s psychology and that of Jews in general, and that psychology is portrayed as diseased, which perhaps it is…but it’s implicitly contrasted with the undefined but apparently uniform and healthy psychology of everyone else.

    Is that really at all accurate? Leaving aside the question of how ‘healthy’ the psychology of each group is, are the psychologies of, say, German gentiles, Mexicans, and Japanese really all that similar? One suspects that Jewish psychology might be better seen as merely one of a variety of group psychologies — each of which has its unique and variously pleasant or unpleasant aspects. For example, on Hawaii, I have seen a ‘local’ woman break down in a market and start crying and complaining of the voices in her head — perhaps something peculiar to her ethnicity and culture? In Malay culture, running ‘amok’ is an established response to stress (perhaps we’ve hit upon the same mechanism ourselves of late).

    And so on. I’d say my point is that whatever the peculiarities of Jewish psychology, it should be borne in mind that the psychologies of other groups may be equally peculiar and twisted — perhaps even more so.

    Second, this piece is discussing the psychology of a partially assimilated Ashkenazi Jew and his kin. Is it really all that descriptive of Jews in all places and times? Would it, for example, have any relevance at all to the mentality of a Sephardic Jew in twelfth century Muslim Spain? A Yemeni Jew today? All this tells us a lot about Freud et al — does it describe Maimonides? Possibly — but to say the least, that has yet to be demonstrated. There’s Abraham and circumcision and all that — but even then, is the significance and effect of these uniform across time and culture? Do Bokharan Jews experience a castration complex?

    None of this is to dismiss the piece — which I actually found unusually thought provoking. It’s just that like most things worth reading, it in turn raises further questions.

  2. Alden says:

    Off topic history channel has a program about the DNA of holocaust survivors being permanently altered by the stress or whatever. And all their descendants from now have this altered DNA. Program cited a scientific American article supposedly proved this.

    In other news Anti Pope Francis, satan’s minion, has desecrated Bernini and Michelangelo’s masterpiece., St Peter’s square with a hideous 2 ton statute of African refugees and immigrants with angel wings. The Vatican wall was hastily built cerca 850AD as a defensive wall because that part of Italy was occupied by Muslim bandits. Now this anti Pope welcomes them.

  3. Paul says:

    The problem with Freud: Where was his data?

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  4. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    I think Freud drew general inferences, not always valid, about human sexuality from the rather peculiar society of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Especially Vienna. This was a society in which military officers were almost expected to seduce servant girls, yet also killed one another over “matters of honour” at a time when fatal duels had ended elsewhere in Europe.
    Arthur Schnitzler, himself of Jewish origin, wrote about this in often controversial stories or plays. One of them was taken by Stanley Kubrick as the basis for Eyes Wide Shut and the somewhat hothoused sexuality of the film seemed to me more fin de siècle Vienna than the USA in the 1990s. The death of Crown Prince Rudolf with a mistress in possible suicide-murder circumstances was another example of the atmosphere of the time.

  5. mastodon says:

    Thankyou Laurent.

    Your input, that of Ron Unz and others on this site has helped complete the picture.

    As a species we really do have a problem, it is all interlinked and this tribe is a significant part of our intentional misdirection and I am certain more than likely our ultimate demise.

    Keep up the excellent work.

    Peace

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  6. A.R. says:

    Again a very interesting and thought-provoking article from Mr. Guyenot.

  7. Franz says:

    Excellent points as always, Mr. Guyénot.

    For my latest excursions into Judaism it brings up a further and more troubling possibility.

    Freud did not take into account the destructive “father” of Judaism himself, Abraham, because if he had there would be a rich trove of criminality in the “idol smashing” account in the Book of Jubilees.

    Abraham, then called Abram, destroys his father’s shop and business by smashing and burning all the “lifeless idols” on site. Yet there is no description of what the idols actually were. Perhaps only sports mascots, business logos, or even only family bric-a-brak. Abram never says, he simply destroys and giggles his way out into the world to start “monotheism”.

    I detect a “kill the father” motive in that, because the story as either legend OR history makes zero sense.

    But either way, Judaism starts with an attack by the Founder on his father, and a more perfect account of psychotic destruction with total lack of remorse is not available.

    Jews themselves appear quite proud of their creed’s founder. A short, lucid and totally amoral account of it is a recent arrival called The Gods Are Broken:

    And the idea that Abraham was simply a felon who didn’t get caught never crosses the rabbi/author’s mind. Amazing!

  8. annamaria says:

    “In 1913, the B’nai B’rith created the Anti-Defamation League to save the life and the reputation of Leo Frank, the wealthy young president of the Atlanta chapter of B’nai B’rith, who was convicted of the rape and murder of Mary Phagan, a thirteen-year-old girl working in his pencil factory. The evidence for Frank’s guilt was overwhelming, but tremendous financial resources were deployed for his legal defense—including false testimonies…”

    — It is never too often to remind the B’nai B’rith, and its dirty creation the Anti-Defamation League, about the crime of Leo Frank — the rape and murder of Mary Phagan, a thirteen-year-old girl.

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  9. Richard B says:

    This reminds me of the story of how Freud, having stumbled upon the widespread reality of child abuse among his mostly Jewish clientele, covered it up with the theory that all little girls desire their fathers’ penis and all little boys dream of screwing their mothers — and named his theory after a Gentile myth.

    And this great quote reminds me of a line from the movie The Departed.

    There’s that one scene (chock-o-block full of pseudo-intellectual cringe) where Matt Damon’s character is talking to the woman psychologist and she mentions a quote from Fraud, I mean Freud, about the Irish.

    “The Irish are the only race impervious to psychoanalysis.”

    As soon as I heard that line I leaned over and said to my friends, “Pfft. Why do you think he made up psychoanalysis? So THEY could hide.”

    This was in NYC too.

    Of course, I spoke in hushed tones to avoid having the rest of our night disrupted by The KKK.

    The Kvetcching Kosher Khazars.

    One good thing that’s happening today is that Jewish Supremacy Inc. is being deconstructed and with far better and more profound intellectual tools than the ones they use to fabricate lies about Whites (and anyone else who goes off the JSI reservation). Something that, so far at least, they’ve been able to do with impunity (so much for White Supremacy).

    The bad news is, though JSI is being deconstructed, it’s not being dismantled.

    At least not yet.

    What needs to be done is perfectly obvious. The superstructure of JSI needs to be dismantled so that people can recover their freedom.

    They know that much. Which is why they’re pumping up the volume, so to speak, and pulling all the stops.

    Whether it ever will be dismantled or not I don’t know.

    But I have no doubt that it will collapse on its own.

    In fact, we’re witnessing is The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Who ever heard of rebuilding civilization on a foundation of ridicule, sarcasm, shame, blame, misrepresentation, denial and projection?

    Who ever heard of building one’s future on a Ponzi Scheme?

    How can you sustain power by continuously violating people you’re dependent on?

    JSI = Criminal Psychopathy.

    Just as their DNC = Demonic Narcissistic Communists and their RNC = Repressed Neo Cucks.

    This is why they’re destroying our basic freedoms. So they can rewrite history based on an impossible to believe in Myth Of Innocence that says, in effect, “We never do anything wrong. Things are done to us!”

    The real Supremacists are those who have the power to effectuate their insane demands to be

    1. placed above criticism
    2. loved unconditionally
    3. blindly obeyed

    That’s the reason and ultimate objective for their many scams, including psychoanalysis.

  10. Miggle says:

    Thanks, Laurent. Mind boggling!

    It would take me a few more readings to digest all this, but the essence seems to be an objective demonstration that Judaism is an imposed psychiatric disorder. That explains a lot of things, all the lying, the false inventions of Jewish history etc. etc.

    And of course, the insane accusations of “anti-Semitism” when other religions have never hated the Jews but the Jews have always hated everyone else. Very psychotic. It’s high time “Holocaust remembrance” was prosecuted as hate speech, which is all it is.

    You make that spectacular by observing that in the USA only one Jew has ever been lynched, and then for excellent, imperative reasons. Yet hundreds, I guess thousands of non-Jews have been lynched, and if there had been any “anti-Semitism” in America, the rope was always at hand, there would undoubtedly have been many lynchings of Jews.

    There are claims that the US is different from other countries in this regard. Let’s remember that for a considerable period of US history a very high proportion of its Gentile citizens were of German birth or German descent. The screams of “anti-Semitism” are always bogus. Jews have only ever received justified punishment. (Not necessarily justified in every individual case, except that every one of them is psychotic by definition.)

  11. It could easily be argued that, in matters of psychology, every sensible thing that Freud said had been said before him, and that almost everything he said that hadn’t been said before has been proven wrong.

    This is probably the best & most truthful part of the article.

    Most other contentions are dubious.

    There is no indication that Jewish family dynamics is more violent & incestuous in comparison with other families we know of & which belong to other cultures. In the case of Freud- his theories are about supposed incestuous heterosexual inclinations in a family & not about pedo homo abuse, as the author, following other investigators, suggests. In fact, one of peculiarities of Freudian theory has been his treatment of homosexuality & especially homosexual pedophilia. His ideas about it reflect Freud’s deep conviction that homosexuality is unhealthy infantile proclivity (he didn’t think it was rooted in biology of brain etc.).

    Then, although many of his clients had been Jewish, most of them were not. They belonged to ordinary Viennese fin de siecle bourgeoisie, both Christian & Jewish (with some Christianized Jews).

    Freud was faced with troublesome question: had so many of his patients been sexually abused by their parents, percentage being 20-30% & more? Of course, numbers are incredible. So he came with Oedipus & Electra complexes etc. And basically- he was right, although not completely. The rate of sex abuse of children by their parents, in any stable modern society, is not even close to the percentages Freud was faced with. Hysteria about that matter resurfaced in American society during the 80s & 90s, with false memory syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome#Sexual_abuse_cases , https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/07/sexual-abuse-false-memory-syndrome ,..).

    Freud was completely right when he dumped most of these stories as fictional. Too many witch-hunt like “inquiries” in America during the 90s destroyed so many otherwise normal families (most of them, by the way, not Jewish).

    The author is correct when he states the obvious: virtually all Freud’s core disciples were Jewish; he emotionally identified with Judaism; Kafka was a genius psycho; Freud was not an original thinker; …

    But: most Freud’s literary & artistic enthusiastic supporters had not been Jewish (Salvador Dali, Thomas Mann, Alfred Hitchcock, ..); apart from Jung, his main detractors were Jewish, the most prominent among them Alfred Adler, as well as more empirically-oriented psychologists & philosophers like Adolf Grunbaum; ..

    And re circumcision, wouldn’t Muslims be even more neurotic than Jews? Can’t we ascribe higher levels of Jewish neuroticism in the Western world to their precarious position of a minority which both does & does not belong to a highly dynamic wider society? As far as I know, Jews in Iran, North Africa or India are not particularly neurotic.

    I could write tons of words in a comment, but this all is probably superfluous. Freud thought of himself as “Darwin of the Mind” & hoped that his “metaphysics of mind” would prove to be as exact as biology or physiology at the turn of the century. There is nothing “subversive” about it, just a failed science & great literature. Freud’s work remains one of the monuments of modern German (and Western) literature, similar to that of literary philosophers like Schopenhauer & Nietzsche- but it is basically useless either as a branch of psychiatry or a therapy. Essentially, Freud was a mythmaker (primal horde, the dynamic unconscious which is subconscious, triple division of mind, complexes, defense mechanisms, eros & thanatos,..). You have all this (and more) in Sophocles, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer & Dostoevsky.

    [MORE]

    And his work is better dissected here:

    and of course

  12. Miggle says:
    @Colin Wright

    it’s implicitly contrasted with the undefined but apparently uniform and healthy psychology of everyone else.

    No it’s not. Anyone call fall prey to psychiatric disorder, paranoia or other insanity. But the point is that the Jews have paranoia imposed on them, and that defines Judaism.

    Look at the victimhood. Every little Jewish child is, before all else, instructed that he or she is a victim of the non-Jews.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @freedom-cat
  13. @Alden

    ‘Off topic history channel has a program about the DNA of holocaust survivors being permanently altered by the stress or whatever. And all their descendants from now have this altered DNA. Program cited a scientific American article supposedly proved this…’

    Lysenko vindicated! We’re back on the right track — or something.

  14. Isabella says:
    @Alden

    As a one time geneticist, let me say here that although this hypothesis – that stress can alter gene expression – has long held a place in Alternative Health field, that it can cause a transmissible change has never been proven. There is no experimental data, neither is there any change seen in biochemical studies.
    It remains a “maybe it’s so, maybe it aint” idea and should therefor be given very limited credence.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Patric
  15. Isabella says:

    There is one very relevant observation about the entire “Oedipus Theory” claim, and that is that it overlooks the main point of the Greek story. It was used as an illustration of what was claimed to be the basis of reality; however it was cut from whole cloth, with nary a single bit of factual, objective, forensic evidence to support it.

    This ignored error is that Oedipus didn’t know the relationship he had towards the King and Queen. It had been forecast that Oedipus would kill the king. Thus he was sent away as a baby, and grew up not knowing who he was, nor his parents. Thus his killing of the King and the marriage to his mother were not the product of some twisted universal psyche, but of ignorance. He married his mother, not because of some sick desire for a woman he knew to have been his mother, but because he saw and knew her as an unknown woman to whom he felt an overwhelming attraction [this is a proven reality – called “Same DNA Attraction].
    But he had no knowledge of this.
    That you cannot escape destiny and make matters worse by trying was the point, the central moral, of the story.
    Freud misunderstood it, twisted it and mis-used it for a very sick version of humanity which he successfully sold to a large part of humanity for a very long time. We can see some results of this in effect today.
    It should be added that traditional Jewish religion carries some pretty sick ideas. I’ve never been so close to throwing up as seeing the photos supportive of a report that when the priests carry out their Infant Genital Mutilation of baby boys, lopping off the protective foreskin of their tiny penis, as the babe lay screaming in agony and bleeding, the priest will bend over and suck the blood. I cannot think of anything more perverse and sickening – and that it is practised says so much about how unhealthy much of this religion is.

  16. JoannF says:

    The “collective sociopathy” theory certainly rings true – Maurice Samuel might have nodded – and so we have the sociopaths installing another abrahamic dad on top of the world (when a prior version has just been discarded), projecting their paternal castration complex on the subhumans they hope to rule and simultaneously, sexually, “liberate.”
    Human psychology (or sexuality) isn’t more complicated than that of the Bonobos (sexuality is by nature
    universally simple) – the endless, language-enabled associations are. If we had any real genius, we would by now have crawled out of this and other mental traps, but it looks more as if we might be falling back into another religious dream phase, where ancient traumata prevail till AI switches them off.
    I can hardly wait.

  17. JoannF says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Muslims are neurotic as hell.
    This is why the never let psychologists near them,

  18. @Isabella

    The “Oedipous complex” was in reality a “Freud complex” projected on the Gentile world. Jews are apt to project their own vices on others. “Anti-Semitism” is their own hatred of “Goyim” projected on the world.

  19. @Colin Wright

    The generation of “Holocaust survivors” is dying out, and with it the flow of financial “reparations”. This Jewish “discovery” of transgenerational trauma via altered DNA is a trick to keep the flow of reparations going. When this second generation starts dying out, expect a new “discovery” that the trauma is being transmitted even to the third generation. And so on and so on. What is the correct translation of chutzpah again? Right : shamelesness!

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Wally
  20. Alden says:
    @Isabella

    I certainly don’t believe it. It’s always been my opinion that although Fraudian psychology benefited from Jewish solidarity, it really spread because of sex sex sex. As we all know, sex sells, from pretty girls in laundry soap
    And toothpaste ADs to selling Dr Fraud’s perversions

    • Replies: @annamaria
  21. @Isabella

    That’s old & correct objection. Harold Bloom, (Jewish) American critic, said (and I thought it myself before I’ve read him) that “Hamlet’s complex” would have been more appropriate, because Hamlet hated his mother banging another man (his uncle & stepfather).

    Of course, there remains a question what would Hamlet have felt, had his mother remained a “chaste widow”. Anyway, Plato wrote in one of his dialogs that in dreams (young) men & boys frequently wanted to have sex with their mothers. He didn’t further elaborate on the issue….

    • Replies: @Alfred
  22. JoannF says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s not dubious that Freud was Jewish and would have been partial to typically Jewish influences.
    As to Muslims, they are NOT noble savages, there is a very HIGH percentage of neuroticism – at least if you according to the very few psychologists who manage to get an impression, because psychology is one of the many things Islam does not really allow. You have to understand that every Muslim man tries to be as similar to Mohammed as he can, and that Mohammed was not a neurotic, or even a psychopath – he was the IDEAL MAN.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  23. A very interesting article that brings up a lot of my own thoughts about Freud and his work. Above all, Freud was a talented writer, but I’ve always suspected his theories were psychological fairy tales.

  24. Miggle says:
    @Franz

    Franz, pardon my ignorance. I’ve never heard of the Book of Jubilees. Is that in the Old Testament, or where?

    • Replies: @Franz
  25. The article suggests that circumcision could be the origin of many Jewish pathologies (and by extension Muslim pathologies). Is there any research on psychological outcomes of circumcised and non-circumcised men?

    I wonder if the theories outlined in the article have any bearing on the meetoo perpetrators, who are vastly disproportionately Jewish?

  26. Patric says:
    @Isabella

    Look at the possibilities though………….Jews could continue to get money from Germany indefinitely based on this kind of theory! We can picture in the year 3000AD them STILL collecting money because of this ancient ‘trauma’. What’s not to like about that! For the Jews at least

  27. Whitewolf says:

    I can understand a lot of behaviour by Jews even if a lot of it disgusts me. I’ll never understand how they still allow their infants to suffer from ritual gential mutilation. It’s simply barbaric and indefensible.

    • Replies: @James J OMeara
  28. Alfred says:

    rate of neuroses and character disorders among Jews was about three times as high as among Catholics and Protestants

    Plenty of other peoples of the Middle East, including Christians, circumcise their baby boys but they don’t seem to suffer from the neurosis referred to at the end of this article.

    Circumcision – Middle East, Africa and Europe

    The earliest historical record of circumcision comes from Egypt, in the form of an image of the circumcision of an adult carved into the tomb of Ankh-Mahor at Saqqara, dating to about 2400–2300 BCE. Circumcision was done by the Egyptians possibly for hygienic reasons, but also was part of their obsession with purity and was associated with spiritual and intellectual development.

  29. @Anonymous

    The surgical mutilation of the male infant’s penis is the first initiation rite for a Jewish man. So, given that the correct appearance of male genitals is given such primacy, one should be surprised that more do not become as morbidly sex-obsessed as did Freud, with exceptions, of course, for Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Jeffrey Epstein, Louis C.K., Harvey Weinstein…

    To top it off, it’s not simply presented as just a cultural custom, it’s presented as the sign of the covenant with the supreme being. (If Moses had had a lick of sense, he would have laughed in Yahweh’s face and told him he was nuts.)

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  30. @Alden

    Epigenetics.

    Any research done into how many tens of millions of Russians are scarred because their ancestors enduredterror of the Cheka, the NKVD or of the KGB? How about the number of Poles and Lithuanians who had their DNA altered by cruel overlords?

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Reality Cheque
  31. @Franz

    Like Moses Abraham is just a myth.

    • Replies: @Franz
  32. @JoannF

    Of course Muslims are not noble savages. I mean- not noble. And they’re too dumb to be neurotic.

    Anyway, any sane man’s maxim should be: do not mess with my schlong- except you’re a desirable female.

  33. @Isabella

    Also, central to the Oedipus story is the aspect that tragedy is inherent in human existence.

    Not only does Oedipus not know the King is his father, he does not know the Queen is his mother, Jocasta. His father, the King, had sent Oedipus to die as an infant, when he had been warned that his infant son would one day kill him. His father, Laius, trying to forestall the prophecy, thereby set in motion the events that culminated in his murder by his son.

    (How Freudian of Freud to disregard a thesis so central to the entire story.)

  34. annamaria says:
    @Alden

    “Off topic history channel has a program about the DNA of holocaust survivors being permanently altered by the stress or whatever. And all their descendants from now have this altered DNA. Program cited a scientific American article supposedly proved this.”

    — This is an area of epigenetics. The Palestinians have been having the really bad times under the bloody boot of Jewish State. Before Palestinians, there were Russians exterminated by millions on the orders of Jewish Bolsheviks who organized and made “efficient” both the secret police and GULAG (the net of concentration camps in the Soviet Union). And don’t forget Holodomor when some 6-7 million human beings died of starvation in Ukraine; the Holodomor was conducted by Lazar Kaganovich, the First Secretary of Communist Party of Ukraine.

    Let Israel-firsters continue making their fancy claims — the inevitable pushback will hurt them badly. The vicious dreamers about Eretz Israel have put the Middle East on fire, altering permanently the DNA of people living there. Each Holobiz Museum must be fitted with the pictures of murdered children, the victims of the ongoing Wars for Israel. There are enough pictures to cover all Holobiz Museums.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-many-wars/
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/how-pro-israel-foundations-in-washington-are-pushing-a-us-war-with-iran/255782/
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/fighting-israels-wars-u-s-military-government-become-zionized/
    http://www.thecactusland.com/2014/08/what-if-children-dying-in-gaza-were-jews.html
    https://www.dailystar.com.lb/ArticlePrint.aspx?id=355024&mode=print

    • Agree: Alden, Druid
  35. Parfois1 says:
    @Isabella

    Freud misunderstood it, twisted it and mis-used it for a very sick version of humanity which he successfully sold to a large part of humanity for a very long time. We can see some results of this in effect today.

    It may be a case of blowing my own trumpet (or a Freudian slip?) but I remember sounding a discordant note when I came across Freud in Psychology 100 – his theories seemed so outrageous to the point of arguing with the lecturer and questioning why we were being taught such nonsense.

    Later on I realised that most of modern Social Science was a Jewish preserve and most textbooks from the US. And it went across the whole field, from Anthropology to Economics, the English-speaking academia was taught a fraudulent view of mankind as seen from the Jewish mind. No wonder a cultural revolution is needed… and a real one a la Francaise, ou Russe, as well to get rid of the malignant kleptocracy.

  36. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Freud’s work remains one of the monuments of modern German (and Western) literature…”

    — No, it is not. Freud was a fraud and he knew that. Where is his data? Moreover, he was deeply concerned with the improvement of his patients’ psychological state, namely, he did not want them to improve because that would hurt his pocket.
    He was just another miserable product of shtetl, who pretended on being an intellectual and original thinker. Freud was an obnoxious pretender and falsificator. Nothing more.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  37. Auyamsar8 says:

    Circumcision has an extensive history in Judaism of being performed to control and damage sexuality, from Philo of Alexandria to Moses Maimonides. Even today, one can find many Orthodox Jews openly attesting to this- just a small sampling of some articles on Chabad:

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/376074/jewish/The-Mark-of-Truth.htm

    [MORE]

    “Circumcision purifies and refines. It forces us to make a sacrifice. Removing the foreskin diminishes the pleasure and enjoyment of intercourse. We sacrifice such pleasure and proclaim that, on our scale, Divine instruction is a greater priority than self-gratification.”

    https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2917521/jewish/The-Circumcision-of-Desire.htm

    “Now we understand why the sign of the covenant is circumcision, a commandment given in Tazria. For faith to be more than the worship of power, it must affect the most intimate relationship between men and women. In a society founded on covenant, male-female relationships are built on something other and gentler than male dominance, masculine power, sexual desire and the drive to own, control and possess. Baal must become ish. The alpha male must become the caring husband. Sex must be sanctified and tempered by mutual respect. The sexual drive must be circumcised and circumscribed so that it no longer seeks to possess and is instead content to love. ”

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379485/jewish/Healing-Swollen-Ego.htm

    “The foreskin of the male reproductive organ effects his experience of marital relations in two ways: it increases his gross sensual pleasure and decreases his sensitivity to his wife by insulating him from her to a certain extent. By removing the foreskin, the experience of marital relations becomes for the man less of a narcissistic indulgence and more of a true spiritual coupling between him and his wife. Once the spiritual dimension of marital relations is allowed into the picture, it enhances the physical dimension as well. The sages of the Talmud therefore state that ideally, at least, it is the Jewish couple that experiences the truest enjoyment in marital relations.”

    https://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/2287938/jewish/Why-Women-Dont-Need-Circumcision.htm

    “Circumcision is a tangible reminder to all men that they are the masters of their bodies, that they are in control of their sexual urges. Cutting back the foreskin represents tapering the self-centered nature of lust. It’s not only about me, but about another person’s dignity and desires. It’s not all about the pleasure that I want, but about the pleasure that G‑d wants me to have.

    Perhaps this reasoning behind circumcision can account for the Talmud’s statement that women are born naturally circumcised. Generally speaking, a woman’s nature is not to dominate someone whom she desires. Studies show that female sexual predators make up such a small percentage that there is little known about them as a group.1 Although women may have many imperfections, it seems that they are naturally less in danger of violating the dignity of others through their lustful impulses.”

    “Both men and women are entrusted to serve G‑d with dignity and consciousness. At the core of this service is the challenge to infuse meaning into the most mundane aspects of our life. To imprint the covenant on our physical body. And perhaps it is in this arena that women are naturally gifted. This gift of “natural circumcision”—the perspective of fluidity between the holy and the mundane—empowers (and obligates) women to become leaders. In the era preceding the global redemption, when the schism between what is worldly and what is G‑dly will vanish, feminine leadership is vital.”

    And I really like the author of this one: “Mrs Rochel Holzkenner is a mother of four children and the co-director of Chabad of Las Olas, Fla., serving the community of young professionals. She is a high-school teacher and a freelance writer—and a frequent contributor to Chabad.org. She lectures extensively on topics of Kabbalah and feminism, and their application to everyday life.”

    What was that about feminism being a Jewish plot? What was that about Orthodox Jewish treatment of women?

    I’m also shocked the article didn’t touch upon Metzitzah B’Peh, AKA “oral circumcision”, which was a widespread to universal component of circumcision in Judaism until the 19th century. It’s still common among some Ultra-Orthodox and is perfectly legal in the US, being performed about 3,000 times per year in NYC alone (according to a 2012 survey) despite repeated cases of herpes infections, some leading to brain damage and even death.

    And is still pretty common among the Ultra-Orthodox: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/nyregion/regulation-of-circumcision-method-divides-some-jews-in-new-york.html

    “The mohel, A. Romi Cohn, said he had performed more than 25,000 circumcisions, on babies and adults, in New York City and elsewhere over the last 40 years. When he circumcises an infant, he said, he almost always put his mouth on the baby’s penis to pull blood away from the wound in an ancient part of the circumcision ritual, known in Hebrew as metzitzah b’peh, that is still commonplace in parts of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community but is rare in other branches of Judaism.”

    “The city estimates that metzitzah b’peh is used in some 3,600 local circumcisions each year. The city’s health department says that, between 2000 and 2011, 11 babies contracted herpes as a result, and 2 of them died. This spring, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared that the procedure created a risk for transmission of herpes and other pathogens and was “not safe.”

    Remember also that Chabad is the movement Jared Kushner belongs to and is the group that sent Iceland their first rabbi, which culminated in the ADL threatening to destroy Iceland’s tourist industry with propaganda smearing them as Nazis.

    Chabad was also previously led by Menachem Mendel Schneerson- in addition to being a virulent Jewish supremacist (https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/), he was also a fan of Metzitzah B’Peh. He didn’t endorse it on the traditional grounds of it being for cleanliness though, it was something else: https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/70775/jewish/Likkutei-Sichot-Tazria.htm

    “This work involves both milah, cutting the thick foreskin, and priyah, ripping open the thin membrane, which on a spiritual plane alludes to the subduing of our material desires.25 Afterwards, one must perform metzitzah (sucking out the blood), thus removing the excitement generated by material things from one’s body as a whole.”

    Try to think of what someone might mean by “excitement generated by the material things” of the body of an 8 month old and how this must be sucked out through his freshly mutilated penis.

    Knowing these things really puts into perspective American conservatives- particularly boomers- who sputter in fury about Islamic FGM and Islam’s treatment of women while they fetishize these pedophilic, misandrist cultists (and sexually mutilate their own boys, in contrast to millenia of Christian and Western history.)

    • Replies: @James J OMeara
  38. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “This Jewish “discovery” of transgenerational trauma via altered DNA is a trick to keep the flow of reparations going. … What is the correct translation of chutzpah again? Right: shamelessness!”

    — Agree. This is all about the profitable schema of holobiz and the special status of the “most moral and victimized victim.”

    Plain disgusting, considering the bloody fruits of the still ongoing Wars for Eretz Israel and the horrendous exploits of Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  39. annamaria says:
    @Alden

    “Freudian psychology … spread because of sex sex sex. As we all know, sex sells…”

    — Agree. Freudian psychology emanates the joy of exploring the dirty linen.

  40. @annamaria

    You’re obscurantist. Most great literature is a fraud.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  41. @annamaria

    Freud’s personal musings are interesting, (and most of his writing is mostly musings), much as those hiddenly deeply by people of high intelligence are. But, that being said, little remains therein of universal utility or application.

    They are more the diaries of a madman than any guide to the human psyche.

  42. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    This is from the one who informs us that “Man doesn’t think”, but doesn’t inform us whether he sees himself as not a man, or not thinking.
    My favourite author at the site since then.

  43. @annamaria

    How about a study to see if American taxpayer DNA has been altered by the trauma of being slaves to the Fed, of being robbed of trillions to pay for the WOT and to bankroll our best “friend” in the Middle East?

    (God only knows how many millions of innocent lives have been destroyed or damaged by the misguided war on terror.)

    • Agree: annamaria
  44. I’ll just add a few points I think are worth mentioning.

    1. one frequently encounters the idea that Jews are more pervy than us (Europeans). Well, if we think historically- this is an unsubstantiated claim. First, you got ordinary, hormonal sexuality. This is a natural stage of human development. However, higher cultures had come up with eroticism, which is something more developed & refined. Broadly speaking, we have eastern & western types of eroticism. Eastern (India, China, some parts of Islam,…) are more “materialistic”, with focus on their traditional medicines & physical exercises of these cultures (Kama Sutra, Nefzewi, various Chinese erotic treatises,…). They are, so to speak, variations on erotic gymnastics. Western approach, from ancient Greece & Rome through Christianity to secular West is more along lines of erotic imagination (Ars amatoria, Roman pornography, medieval romances & later Aretino,… to John Cleland, Casanova, Sacher Masoch & later western erotica). Western erotic way is more focused on imagining situations & numerous pervy acts, mind games & nuances.

    Jews do not have their own erotic tradition, but have adopted, as much as they could, Western attitudes (great Jewish pervy author, although anonymous for quite a while, was Felix Salten of “Bambi” fame). But, as I said- they were mostly followers of the West, without developed indigenous erotic imagination.

    2. Freud was not into “sexual liberation”, this is nonsense. He thought that suppression & sublimation of sex drive was necessary for civilization. He would have been horrified with “sexual revolution” because for him simply a suppression wouldn’t work (it produces neuroses) & “free sex” was even worse (its result would be a collapse of civilization). It is sublimation into other spheres of human activity, combined with a healthy dose of regulated sexuality through essential sexual morality, that is the best way (attainable at various degrees).

    3. as far as I know, it’s not modern (or ancient) Jews who are/were obsessed with sexuality, but Victorians. They were so crazy about masturbation that they imposed dick-clipping throughout their cultural sphere (they thought it reduced sex drive in male youths & horrors of wanking). Thanks to them, circumcision is present in the US & through Anglosphere.

    4. Freud was, it is well known, very influenced by Janet, Charcot, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, …. but I think he owns much more to Plato, where one can find most crucial Freud’s ideas. Basically, most – though not all -of Freud is Plato without spiritual dimension & reduced to biological mechanicism.

    • Troll: renfro
  45. @Whitewolf

    Actually, lots of “liberal” or “modern” Jews have replaced this with a symbolic rite. This is typical of how religions become more “sensible” as older traditions become embarrassing; and it’s EXACTLY the sort of thing most of you guys CONDEMN when Christians try to do it.

    If Pope Gregory is to be preferred to Pope Francis, actual circumcision is to be preferred to symbolic.

    Or is it ‘traditionalism for me, but not for thee’?

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
    , @Jake
  46. @Auyamsar8

    “Knowing these things really puts into perspective American conservatives- particularly boomers- who sputter in fury about Islamic FGM and Islam’s treatment of women while they fetishize these pedophilic, misandrist cultists (and sexually mutilate their own boys, in contrast to millenia of Christian and Western history.)”

    Indeed. Yet most here still look to the Jews for their ideas of sexual morality. Oddly, anything else they call “liberalism” — which they also think is promoted by Jews. As Mayor Curley of Boston said: the Anglo-Saxons are a strange and stupid race.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Druid
  47. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well said, Franklin. Follow the money.

    Other factors:

    Does the strong Jew tendency towards mental illness assist in their ‘holocaust’ fantasies?
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12239

    Scientists Discover Gene That Predisposes Ashkenazi Jews to Schizophrenia
    Variations of the DNST3 gene make Ashkenazi Jews 40 percent more likely to develop schizophrenia and similar diseases.

    https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-ashkenazi-gene-increases-schizophrenia-1.5294333

    • Replies: @acementhead
  48. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thank you for this constructive critic.
    I assumed that most of Freud’s patients were Jewish, from the fact that all his identified case studies were, as far I know. And I believe that, at least until 1899, he only had access to a Jewish clientele. But my assumption may be wrong. And I agree that the notion that Freud’s turn-around was linked to that fact is a weak point in my argument. But, as I wrote, I don’t think Freud consciously reasoned in this way: I don’t suspect Freud of conscious, deliberate deception, but rather of self-deception induced by his own family and ethnic background. That is the main point.
    True also, Freud might have been right in suspecting that some of his patients’ “memories” of sexual abuse were false memories. He was using then a form of hypnosis inspired by what he learned from Charcot and others. So his patients’ memories were, in many cases at least, not real memories but “recovered memories”, and therefore unreliable.
    But what about the knowledge that Freud expressed to Fliess about his father’s sexual abuses? Freud didn’t hypnotize himself, did he? We’ll never know the details. But I admit it is also conceivable that Freud at one point developed false memories/speculations about his father, and then came to the conviction that they were baseless.
    Whatever the case may be, the questions remain as to why Freud settled for spontaneous infantile sexual wishes transformed into fantasies (=false memories)? There are many other alternative explanations. Why didn’t he consider that he had himself implanted those false memories in his patients (it is a fact that “regressive therapists” who believe in reincarnation implant, even unwillingly, memories of past lives in their patients, and those who believe in aliens are happy when their patients remember having been abducted by aliens, etc.)
    If we consider psychoanalysis in general, and not only Freud, I think it is clear that the Oedipus theory has been used as a cover-up for the widespread reality of sexual abuse on children (at least until the 80s, when all kinds of heterodox “psychoanalysts” started challenging Freudian dogmas), and therefore as a protection for abusers, as well as a justification of the sexualisation of our culture.
    Regarding circumcision, we must distinguish between adolescent circumcision, practiced in most Muslim countries after 8, generally after 12 (as among ancient Egyptians), from infantile circumcision. The psychological impact is totally different. Although adolescent circumcision raises serious issues, it can be compared to initiation rites in many ceremonies, which involve the capacity of the child to symbolize the experience and use it for his own construction (at least ideally; don’t get me wrong, I am not endorsing it). Infantile circumcision, I suspect, imprints on the deepest layers of the subconscious a trauma that can never be healed.
    As I am hoping one day to integrate my articles into a book, I’ll take into account your points, and follow your reading suggestions.

  49. @Bardon Kaldian

    “…Basically, most – though not all -of Freud is Plato without spiritual dimension & reduced to biological mechanicism…”

    This reduction of idealism to materialism is typically Jewish. Compare Karl Marx’ reduction of Hegel’s idealism to materialism.

  50. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Most great literature is a fraud.”

    — Don’t project your choice of literature on others.

  51. utu says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Freud pseudo-science is Jewish through and through regardless of what was the gentile-to-Jew ratio of his patients. He did not discover anything but he postulated the existence of the phenomena for which he concocted quasi-empirical evidence. The story of sexual foundations of all human motives was too good and too powerful to left untold.

    [MORE]

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f46e/c78c0ba8e9acdd7ccadbd53a832ae5295136.pdf
    Another historian who found the Jewish issue critical to Freud’s theories and to the psychoanalytic movement was Sander L. Gilman. His argument focuses on the question of language. Gilman asserts that Freud, by adopting the scientific language of psychoanalysis, aimed at distancing himself from the anti- Semitic socio-cultural environment of fin-de-siècle Vienna. Freud discovered the sexual origins of neurosis through the sexual discourse of Jewish jokes told by Jews of East European origin, los Ostjuden37. But Freud, as a Jew threatened by the anti-Semitic racial discourse of science and of post-liberal politics, did not discuss the language of Jewish jokes in a feminine language, in a Jewish language or in the accepted scientific one. He did so in a new scientific language: that of psychoanalysis, which aims at becoming a universal language of the unconscious, present in every human being38. “The exercise of collecting and retelling the Jewish jokes, of removing them from the daily world in which Freud must live to the higher plane of the new scientific discourse, that of psychoanalysis enables Freud to purge himself of the insecurity felt by his status as a Jew in fin-de-siècle Vienna”

    Indeed, Freud’s scientific discourse has to be seen in the context of the scientific discourse of his time. Gilman criticizes Frank J. Sulloway40 and Peter Gay because, he argues, they did not appreciate the importance of the racial element of the fin-de-siècle scientific discourse. He mentions Cesare Lombroso and Rafael Becker, two Jewish scientists who themselves wrote in this mode. Masculinity became connected with the Aryan race, while the Jewish male was characterized with feminine and sickly attributes such as nervosa and other such diseases.

    For a Jew, to become a man of science could be his emancipating ticket to masculinity41. Freud’s constant criticism of the values of the bourgeois society ‘from inside’ is confirmed by Gilman as well: “It is necessary to understand that Freud on one level of his self-definition as Jew and scientist accepted the centrality of race as an epistemological category while constantly needing to draw it into question”42.

    Concerning the Jewish members of the circle and their sensitivity to the anti-Semitic atmosphere, Jones wrote: “I became aware, somewhat to my astonishment, of how extraordinarily suspicious Jews could be of the faintest sign of anti-Semitism and of how many remarks or actions could be interpreted in that sense. The members most sensitive were Ferenczi and Sachs; Abraham and Rank were less so. Freud himself was pretty sensitive in this respect”. [from Jones account]

    Freud in conflict between Abraham and Jung admits that psychoanalysis is Jewish and thus foreign to gentiles:

    To lower the tension between Abraham and Jung, for example, Freud wrote to the former:

    Please be tolerant and do not forget that it is really easier for you than it is for Jung to follow my ideas, for in the first place you are completely independent, and you are closer to my intellectual constitution because of racial kinship [Rassenverwandschaft], while he as a Christian pastor’s son finds his way to me only against great inner resistances. His association with us is more valuable for that. I nearly said that it was only by his appearance on the scene that psycho-analysis escaped the danger of becoming a Jewish national affair [eine jüdisch nationale Angelegenheit]

    Another instance shows how sharply Freud’s public statements differed from his private utterances about his Jewish feelings, even attributing specific qualities based on racial considerations. In another attempt to calm the waters between Abraham and “the Swiss”, he wrote to the former on July 23, 1908:
    I surmise that the repressed anti-Semitism of the Swiss, from which I am to be spared, has been directed against you in increased force. But my opinion is that we must as Jews [wir mussen als Juden], if we want to cooperate with other people, develop a little masochism and be prepared to endure a little injustice…. Why cannot I harness Jung and you together, your keenness [Ihre Schärfe] and his élan [seinen Schwung]?

    And here is Ferenczi:

    “Budapest seems after all, not to be such an absolutely bad place. The audience was naturally composed of nine tenths Jews!”

  52. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘There is no indication that Jewish family dynamics is more violent & incestuous in comparison with other families we know of & which belong to other cultures…’

    Oh, au contraire. There are indications that Jewish family dynamics — at least among ultra-orthodox Jews — are more incestuous, if not necessarily more violent.

    New York City has an embarrassingly rich harvest of such cases from its ultra-orthodox Jewish community — particularly now in the #metoo era. Moreover, I remember a curious episode from about ten-fifteen years ago.

    In Israel, there’s a great deal of hostility between all the various segments of the Jewish community — but particularly between the ‘progressive’ secular segment and the ultra-orthodox. Sometimes it seems that Haaretz, for example, all but starts figuratively foaming at the mouth with hate when it comes to ultra-orthodox Jewry.

    So anyway, Haaretz started joyfully reporting every single case of incest coming to the attention of the authorities in those enormous, caged Haredi families; adolescent boys molesting their pre-pubescent sisters, group juvenile sex, etc.

    For a while there — a few months, as I recall — there was a real flood. Daily revelations: who’d a thought it was so common?

    Then, apparently, it dawned on someone at Haaretz that as much fun as this was, it wasn’t ‘good for the Jews’ — and the reportage stopped.

    But it was a revelation. And of course, with those enormous families — up to twenty children — all kept at home and deprived of most of the forms of recreation available to children of normal families, sexual perversion was as likely to break out as it is in prison.

  53. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The following works were transmitted under Plato’s name, most of them already considered spurious in antiquity, and so were not included by Thrasyllus in his tetralogical arrangement. These works are labelled as Notheuomenoi (“spurious”) or Apocrypha.

    Axiochus, Definitions, Demodocus, Epigrams, Eryxias, Halcyon, On Justice, On Virtue, Sisyphus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato#Family

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  54. @Priss Factor

    Sorry, I don’t have much time now. You can check Daniels’/Dalrymple’s critique of Freud (Daniels is of Jewish extraction, so there is no ethnic animus present):

  55. @Laurent Guyénot

    ‘… There are many other alternative explanations. Why didn’t he consider that he had himself implanted those false memories in his patients (it is a fact that “regressive therapists” who believe in reincarnation implant, even unwillingly, memories of past lives in their patients, and those who believe in aliens are happy when their patients remember having been abducted by aliens, etc.)…’

    And remember that wave of ‘day care molestation’ cases in the early nineties or something. Entirely earnest investigators were uncovering bushelfuls of cases of ‘molestation’ simply by questioning small children in a leading manner. The children, unconsciously trying to meet the equally unconscious desire of the investigators, were literally inventing the most lurid and (these being four-year-olds) fantastic tales of sex abuse.

    People — particularly women and children — usually strive to say what is expected of them. Obviously, this could have led to Freud ‘finding’ exactly what he wanted to find.

    Now that you mention it, it seems most likely that this must have accounted for at least some of his ‘evidence’. Unconsciously, he wanted to make his own family ‘normal’ — and succeeded. He assiduously amassed evidence that everyone else was the same way.

    I recall an episode from when I was a kid. My younger brother decided to slide down a particularly muddy hillside — with regrettable results, even from the point of view of a ten year old boy. He wanted me to do it too — and became almost hysterical when I wouldn’t.

    I’d guess we all feel the need to establish that everyone else is doing whatever we’re doing — at least if it’s something we wish hadn’t happened. Hence Freud.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  56. bjondo says:
    @Miggle

    No it’s not. Anyone call fall prey to psychiatric disorder, paranoia or other insanity. But the point is that the Jews have paranoia imposed on them, and that defines Judaism.

    Look at the victimhood. Every little Jewish child is, before all else, instructed that he or she is a victim of the non-Jews.

    Both accurate.

    From a diseased belief system,
    diseased minds.
    The disease passed generation to generation.

    5ds

  57. Art says:

    This article is saying that Freud projected his screwed-up Jew family life onto the whole human species. He created a false sick orthodoxy about sex. Inordinate male Jew family dominance is the offender. It is the heavy hand of the religious dominant Jew father, that leaves children traumatized. Children that are not traumatized at a young age do not have the sexual dysfunctions described by Freud.

    Freud’s obsession with sex is abnormal – it is clear he was seriously sexually screwed up.

    The whole male Jew culture is sexually obsessed. Normal male/female sexual intimacy does not satisfy the Jew male. He demands sex that is goes beyond what is culturally normal and acceptable.

    The Orthodox Jew culture is a power structure where women and children are subservient to the powerful Jew male. This leads to a sick culture – period.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  58. @Laurent Guyénot

    I meant to post Daniels as a response here:

    There is much to write about Freud, but I think he’s dead now as a cultural influence; I disagree that his theories, essentially an eclectic mix of his practice & ideas he absorbed from others, from Plato to Janet, were somehow “Jewish”- doubtless, Freud possessed emotional Jewish identity, but was, except for a few platitudes, clueless about Jewish traditional culture & ideas; intellectually, he belongs to the 19th C of ideas, not to the 20th C (Darwin as the ideal).

    He is in the past 50-70 years being dismissed by scientifically-oriented psychologists & psychiatrists & his cultural influence has dimmed. Also, I don’t think he has much, or anything, to offer with regard to our current problems.

    I guess his attraction was due to the timing & the right place. In 16th & 17th C European culture (Rabelais, Burton, Montaigne, Shakespeare, Aretino, Giordano Bruno, Boehme, LaRochefoucauld..), he would not have been such a big deal.

    • Replies: @AP
  59. Richard B says:
    @James J OMeara

    the Anglo-Saxons are a strange and stupid race.

    As opposed to who?

  60. @annamaria

    Plato’s “Republic”, 9, I=571 A- 573 B. Stop embarrassing yourself.

    [the beastly part of the soul] does not shrink from attempting to lie with a mother in fancy..

    • Replies: @annamaria
  61. AaronB says:

    Jews serve as the psychological safety pressure valve for Europeans.

    The European Shadow is projected onto Jews, who are then slaughtered.

    For instance, it is obvious to everyone that the “culture of critique” is the Enlightenment, which is indeed destroying traditional cultures. Yet European gentiles project this onto Jews, the people of Faith, in a brazen act of misdirection.

    Europeans invented Darwinism, a psychopathic and sociopathic system that influences all gentile thought systems to this day, and is completely at odds with Jewish morality, yet project sociopathy onto Jews, who created the morality of the Prophets.

    The unhealthy preoccupation with sex is clearly a European historical problem, not a Jewish one, which is far more balanced in this regard. No celibate monks and no advice to be celibate if you wish to be perfect etc, etc, but a healthy integration of sexuality into life.

    So on and so forth.

    Classic European anti-Semitism, which is being resurrected on this site today, has been simply a matter of projecting European negative traits onto Jews – objectifying the European Shadow – and then despising, harassing, and ultimately, destroying and killing Jews.

    And it is not at all surprising that those people who see themselves as standing for European revival feel a need to project their Shadow onto Jews as part of their psychological regeneration. This appears to be a traditional part of European nationalism.

    I did not want to think so, but it may be that European nationalism is indeed uniquely diseased – it’s classic form cannot exist without creating a Scapegoat out of Jews and others.

    Perhaps its truly is necessary for Jews to oppose European nationalism whenever they can – at least in its classic form.

    This is very interesting. I had not thought about this before. This site is making me understand things about European history and the diseased European psyche I had not understood before.

    Thank you, Ron.

  62. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    This need for Europeans to project their Shadow onto others, rather than integrate into their psyches in a healthy fashion, surely related to the generally unbalanced character of European history.

    An unbalanced people, who cannot face, accept, and integrate their Shadow, displaying an extreme history of constant shifts, restless and unable to relax with itself, and ultimately bringing misery to the whole world.

    Poor Europeans – we should not hate them despite the fact they’ve destroyed the world. They hate themselves – the best of them know what they’ve done. We should seek to understand them and heal them.

    What made them this way? And how can we change it?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  63. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    “I therefore put forward the thesis that at the bottom of every case of hysteria there are one or more occurrences of premature sexual experience

    Like a Jew Mohel Rabbi first mutilating the baby boy’s penis, then using his mouth to slurp up the blood from the bleeding stump, which is called brit milah.

    That practice is beyond sick. It’s a license for pedos to orally molest baby boy’s under the guise of a religion.

    But you won’t her much about that, unless it’s stories about the baby boy’s getting Herpes from the Rabbi and you’ll only see that in NYC media.

    Now if this was a Muslim practice, every night, Wolf Blitzer would be foaming at the mouth, reporting on the latest baby rape.

    But since it’s Jews, mum’s the word.

  64. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    My final clarifying comment –

    Europeans deserve a healthy nationalism that involves self love and self respect without demonizing others. The problem is that the classic European nationalism up till now has been diseased, as witnessed by all the crazy wars, imperialism, creation of thought systems like Darwinism, etc.

    The psychology of classic European nationalism is exhibited on this site.

    Classic European nationalism seeks scapegoats, demonizes others, and is forever at war with itself and the world. It cannot be at peace.

    What to do? It would be immoral and wrong to simply write Europeans off as “intrinsically” diseased, as a people who will always seek to destroy the world through wars, technology, creation of psychopathic systems of thought like Darwinism, destruction of traditional cultures, etc.

    We need to understand what is going on and help them get better, help them become at peace with themselves so they don’t have to hate everyone else.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Druid
  65. If Woody Allen was undergoing this therapy then spare us normies all this verbiage.

  66. Whitewolf says:
    @James J OMeara

    Or is it ‘traditionalism for me, but not for thee’?

    Any traditionalism that involves genital mutilation of children and especially infants is wrong. Regardless of religion.

  67. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Biographers say that Freud saw only about 100 patients in his life , even considering that they were rich patients , it is a mistery how Freud could live a very bourgeois life in Vienna , have a big flat in Bergasse 19 , with just 100 patients, in his life , plus his writings .

    But the nephew of Freud , Edward Bernays born in New York , using the ideas of his uncle , was able to lower the level of intellligence of the masses , and to enhance the ” unconscious ” ( affects and instincts ) . He is the founder of modern propaganda in New York , with his publicity campaigns he could sell from cigaretttes to US Presidents , he became very rich and influencial , he introduced his uncle`s ideas in the USA , and I speculate that Sigmund got some royalties . Nobody cares for a few neurotics , but how to handle the masses politically and commercially is worth a fortune . Bernays tecnics still dominante propaganda .

    See this documental about Freud`s nephew , the father of modern propaganda , it is 53 minutes , but it it more than worth it .

    • Replies: @utu
  68. @Franz

    And the idea that Abraham was simply a felon who didn’t get caught never crosses the rabbi/author’s mind.

    Or a guy suffering from acute schizophrenia, constantly hearing the ‘voice of God’ in his head telling him to do crazy stuff.

    • Replies: @Franz
  69. Excellent work, Laurent!

    In The Future of an Illusion, Sigmund Freud describes “religion”—meaning essentially Christianity—as a “universal obsessional neurosis” which has for believers the merit that “their acceptance of the universal neurosis spares them the task of constructing a personal one.”

    In this quote, Freud nicely sums up Freudianism, too.

  70. anarchyst says:
    @Greg Bacon

    It is long overdue to define “circumcision” as “male genital mutilation”, just as “female genital mutilation” is defined.

    When it come to “genital mutilation”, “male genital mutilation” is more extreme than “female genital mutilation” as the male foreskin, a complete body part is removed, whereas in “female genital mutilation”, only a portion of the clitoris and labia is removed.

    Both male and female genital mutilation are barbaric procedures that should be outlawed worldwide.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  71. @AaronB

    ‘Jews serve as the psychological safety pressure valve for Europeans.

    The European Shadow is projected onto Jews, who are then slaughtered…’

    Either that, or exploited and abused peasants rise up and kill their oppressors.

    One of the two…

    It is classic, though, that you feel compelled to reduce anti-semitism to some form of irrational, morally inexcusable impulse. It’s not particularly pretty — but don’t you think you’re falling back on that morally immaculate, perfectly passive victim schtick again?

    One way or another, there can be no connection between Jewish behavior and their persecution, can there?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  72. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Perhaps its truly is necessary for Jews to oppose European nationalism whenever they can – at least in its classic form.

    But it’s OK for Israel to have nationalism?

    You seem to be fairly well informed on Jewish behavior, so maybe you can answer a question that many refuse to: Why are historical facts and many truths deemed anti-Semitic?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AaronB
  73. utu says:
    @Anon

    … it is a mistery how Freud could live a very bourgeois life in Vienna , have a big flat in Bergasse 19 , with just 100 patients, in his life , plus his writings…

    This is a good questions. Do we know of rich sponsors?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2695505
    Sigmund Freud and money

    Drucker contends that Freud unconsciously misrepresented his parents’ financial situation by creating the myth that they lived in poverty. Furthermore, Freud also developed another myth that it was because of the strong anti-Semitism in Vienna that he was so delayed in being appointed a professor of psychiatry.

    Drucker points out that the majority of the Viennese physicians were Jewish and that Freud’s becoming a professor did not entail a delay and was not affected by any anti-Semitism in Vienna. Another area of conflict between Freud and the other Viennese physicians was Freud’s refusal to treat any of his psychoanalytic patients without a fee. Freud believed that treating a patient in analysis for free created a transference-countertransference problem that might doom the treatment to failure. Freud’s transference explanation for not taking on charity patients did not satisfy many of his Viennese physician colleagues. They believed that Freud was given an opportunity to accept their traditional standards and turned it down. In their eyes, Freud rejected them, they did not reject him.

  74. @AaronB

    ‘…The unhealthy preoccupation with sex is clearly a European historical problem, not a Jewish one, which is far more balanced in this regard…’

    ! Isaac Bashevis Singer, Philip Roth, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein…

    Maybe you shouldn’t go there. Necessarily, all people place importance on sex, and gentiles such as Warren Beatty are notoriously preoccupied by it, but…

    There is a strain of frenetic, often abusive sexuality running through Jewish culture — one that, moreover, is reflected in some of the statistics on sexual trafficking and sexual abuse that come out of Israel.

    It’s okay with me, more or less — people vary, and by culture as well as individually, and who would want to be undersexed?

    You can’t win — but still. For a Jew to claim the mantle of sexual ‘balance’ is a bit much.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  75. @Greg Bacon

    ‘…You seem to be fairly well informed on Jewish behavior, so maybe you can answer a question that many refuse to: Why are historical facts and many truths deemed anti-Semitic?’

    Something that in no way reflects badly on Jews, we can be sure.

  76. @AaronB

    ‘Europeans deserve a healthy nationalism that involves self love and self respect without demonizing others. ‘

    For example, we can’t we learn from Israel?

    See the respect, equality, and security they confer on their gentile subjects and neighbors. Consider their laudable record in international affairs and treatment of their allies. Look at the care and concern they take to avoid involvement in international criminal activity.

    Of course, this would explain why a Zionist is lecturing the rest of us on this topic; his nation is such an examplar.

    • Agree: annamaria
  77. @Laurent Guyénot

    Regarding circumcision, we must distinguish between adolescent circumcision, practiced in most Muslim countries after 8, generally after 12 (as among ancient Egyptians), from infantile circumcision. The psychological impact is totally different.

    The Jewish and Islamic circumcision differ in concept and intention.

    [MORE]

    Jews: Jewish circumcision is done for covenant with God and therefore blood is to be drawn to bind the Jew person with his Creator. In OT, Abram was already circumcised, before he made covenant with God. He takes a stone and beats his penis to draw blood for covenant with Yahweh, and then he was named Abraham. It has nothing to cleaniness.

    In Judaism male blood and animal blood are glory, but the blood of women is filth and pollution. Read your OT.

    Muslims: Blood is dangerous if exposed to air, whether it is man, woman and/or animal blood. And, it is not filth and pollution. Science has taught us to be extra careful when handling blood. In Islam it is done for cleanliness. Under the foreskin, cheesy stuff grows, which breeds and becomes home to bacteria and germs, if not thoroughly cleaned all the times. Water is a precious resource in most countries and the access to it.

    My son is 30 now, he was two days old infant when he was circumcision in the hospital.

    https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/circumcision-what-expect#1

    Three different kinds of clamps or plastic rings are used for circumcision: the Gomco clamp, the Plastibell device, and the Mogen clamp. But the procedure is similar for all. The clamp or ring is attached to the penis and the doctor clips off excess foreskin. The ring stays on and will fall off later. The doctor then applies an ointment like petroleum jelly to the penis and wraps it in gauze. It’s usually over in about 10 minutes. If it’s done in the hospital, your baby should be ready to go home in a few hours.

    Female circumcision has nothing to do with religion, it is African practice.

  78. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Obviously Jews like any other people do bad things.

    Anti-Semitism is extreme and unbalanced hatred of Jews and distortion of facts to justify that. Its not just pointing out that Jews do bad things and have some bad characteristics like everyone else.

    Some European Jews did assist European nobility and royalty in exploiting their subjects, in some places and times yes – equally obviously, this cannot justify a phenomenon like anti-Semitism, where Jews are responsible for all the evil in the world.

    But beyond that there is curious symmetry and parallelism in right wing Europeans attitude towards Jews.

    Take Kevin MacDonald – whites invented the Enlightenment, obviously the “culture of critique” that destroys all traditional culture, including their own. Yet precisely this most distinctive European achievement is projected o to Jews!

    Its uncanny.

    Likewise with psychopathy – surely, Darwinism is a psychopathic philosophy if ever there was one. Yet this distinctly European attitude towards the world is projected onto Jews, the people who made morality and Faith their life!

    So there is a very interesting and uncanny process going on in the European psyche, and I think the best way to understand is as a projection of the European Shadow onto a Scapegoat.

    And I think this opens up into the wider and more interesting question about why European history was so extreme and unbalanced in general.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  79. AaronB says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Its the distortion of facts, the selective use of facts, the use of historical truths to exaggerate and inflate claims, etc, in order to demonize Jews that is anti-Semitic.

    As for Israel, it is basically different than what I call classic European nationalism. It isn’t imperialistic but centred on one small piece of land – it doesn’t seek to absorb the world like Islam and Europeans. It is defensive in nature, it doesn’t hate or demonize others, doesn’t seek scapegoats for its problems, etc.

    I accept that Europeans deserve and should have a healthy nationalism – but classic European nationalism, which the alt right seeks to resurrect, was a diseased state of mind.

    Why not learn from your mistakes? All this hatred of Jews, Hispanics, blacks, – haven’t we been there already?

    Why not drip the psychopathy, stop projecting your shadow and accept your negative traits like all humans have, stop seeking Scapegoats, and love yourself without demonizing others?

    Learn, grow, be on healthy – don’t just seek to recreate the mistakes of the past.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
  80. Art says:

    I believe that Freud stated that the human mind is compartmentalized – this in fact true. Modern science says the same.

    Was he the first to say so – or did he copy someone else’s work?????

    Maybe that was the only thing that he got right?

  81. @Greg Bacon

    Like a Jew Mohel Rabbi first mutilating the baby boy’s penis, then using his mouth to slurp up the blood from the bleeding stump, which is called brit milah.

    That practice is beyond sick. It’s a license for pedos to orally molest baby boy’s under the guise of a religion.

    But you won’t her much about that, unless it’s stories about the baby boy’s getting Herpes from the Rabbi and you’ll only see that in NYC media.

    Now if this was a Muslim practice, every night, Wolf Blitzer would be foaming at the mouth, reporting on the latest baby rape.
    But since it’s Jews, mum’s the word.

    Touché

    Check out my post #78.

  82. @anarchyst

    It is long overdue to define “circumcision” as “male genital mutilation”, just as “female genital mutilation” is defined.

    You seems to be living under a rock and lack knowledge of modern science. Please read my post #78 very, very carefully.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    , @anarchyst
  83. Agent76 says:

    Jun 20, 2016 The Century of the Self – Part 1: “Happiness Machines”

    The story of the relationship between Sigmund Freud and his American nephew, Edward Bernays. Bernays invented the public relations profession in the 1920s and was the first person to take Freud’s ideas to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations how they could make people want things they didn’t need by systematically linking mass-produced goods to their unconscious desires.

    SIGMUND FREUD began his researches into the workings of the human mind in 1881

    After a century during which Europe and America saw the reform of the insane asylum and an ever-increasing interest in “abnormal” psychological states, especially the issue of “nervous diseases” (which was the first phenomenon that Freud studied, examining the nervous system of fish while gaining his medical degree at the University of Vienna from 1873 to 1881). Freud turned to the issue of psychology after reading in 1884 about Breuer’s treatment of hysteria by hypnosis and after studying under Charcot at the Sorbonne in 1885. Freud faced opposition and even ridicule for many of his ideas until a group of young doctors began to follow him to Vienna in 1902, leading to the creation of the Viennese Psycho-Analytic Society and, then later in 1910, the formation of the International Psycho-Analytic Association.

    http://www.purdue.edu/guidetotheory/psychoanalysis/freud.html

    Sigmund Freud (1856–1939). Three Contributions to the Sexual Theory. 1910.

    II. The Infantile Sexuality

    IT is a part of popular belief about the sexual impulse that it is absent in childhood and that it first appears in the period of life known as puberty.

    http://www.bartleby.com/278/2.html

    • Replies: @Anon
  84. @AaronB

    You start out alright; measured criticism of Jews and their works is okay; it’s only the extremes that would be ‘anti-semitism.’ Put together with your other posts, you’re equivocating, but alright…

    However here you drift into absurdity.

    ‘…Likewise with psychopathy – surely, Darwinism is a psychopathic philosophy if ever there was one. Yet this distinctly European attitude towards the world is projected onto Jews, the people who made morality and Faith their life!

    So there is a very interesting and uncanny process going on in the European psyche, and I think the best way to understand is as a projection of the European Shadow onto a Scapegoat.

    And I think this opens up into the wider and more interesting question about why European history was so extreme and unbalanced in general.’

    So apparently Darwinism is to be dismissed. Natural selection is a canard, etc,

    The Enlightenment was bad. Aside from everything else, this is definitely a matter of biting the hand that feeds you. Absent the Enlightenment, you’d still be confined to the Pale, trying to work out where to get food for the (large) family for tonight’s dinner. Would you prefer smallpox or cholera tonight Monsieur? We’re running a special on Plague…

    European civilization — that fount of roughly eighty percent of what makes modern life tolerable — is apparently some sort of pathology.

    Really want to go without it, do you? After all, don’t fantasize you’d be living in David’s mythological kingdom; you’d be huddled in some paleolithic cave with all the rest of the denizens of Europe — since they never created their civilization.

    …or perhaps — irony of ironies, you’d be a Muslim in the greater caliphate by now, your ancestors having been enslaved and sold down the Danube five hundred years ago. That wouldn’t be so bad. Not Europe. No electricity. But not so bad. Running water!

    Honestly (pun not intended). You’re so relentlessly dishonest — and all you accomplish is to tie yourself in knots. Most of what you say is indefensible, and the rest gibberish. Is it because you’re trying to pretend you’re smarter than you are?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  85. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    word seems to be getting out on the Leo Frank case. Lee Stranahan covered it recently in 2 youtube videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGFjSRhmrrw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTYDhwT4rC4

  86. Anne Lid says:
    @Assad al-islam

    If you have it for cleanliness and because of scarcity of water, why don’t you have it done at the beginning of puberty?

  87. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Anti-Semitism is extreme and unbalanced hatred of Jews and distortion of facts to justify that. Its not just pointing out that Jews do bad things and have some bad characteristics like everyone else.

    these days any criticism of jews, no matter how valid, is often labeled as “Anti-semitism”

    Yet this distinctly European attitude towards the world is projected onto Jews, the people who made morality and Faith their life!

    if this was the case, jews would be loved the world over

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  88. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ok, but whatever you think of the Enlightenment, you can’t deny that it is the culture of critique that destroys traditional cultures.

    You are even admitting that Jewish culture would be primitive and backwards if not for the Enlightenment – in other words, the Enlightenment destroyed traditional Jewish culture.

    You may think this is a good thing, and you may think the physical benefits were worth it.

    But you have to admit that its profoundly weird that Europeans, whose distinctive and original contribution to the world is precisely and exactly the culture of critique that destroys all traditions, are projecting this on to Jews, who are the source of the three Western religious traditions?

    How can any person not find this significant – a clear case of projecting the Shadow?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Colin Wright
  89. scrub says:

    Anybody who thinks that Freud’s reputation has become entirely tarnished because of his fraudulent research or behavior is sadly mistaken.

    I was recently watching a Hoover Institute video on TV. For those who don’t know, The Hoover Institute at Stanford University is where old Neocons are put out to (a very lucrative) pasture. The interview involved Atheism and Darwinism and included on its panel three guests. Two of of the three guests were Jews (and “prominent public intellectuals”) David Berlinski and David Gelertner.

    When the very proper and goyish host Peter Robinson at one point in the encounter made what he thought was an offhand and innocent comment about Freud having been being discredited, the two Jews immediately joined in and very vociferously claimed in unison that Freud (despite all the evidence against him) simply hadn’t been discredited. They seemed to a viewer like myself to be spoiling for a fight about this comment.

    Robinson was taken aback by their strength of their denial and immediately realized that he had entered the dangerous realm of “saying things that Jews don’t like to hear” . With a panicked look on he face he immediately went into into “goyish survival mode” and tried to backtrack on his original remark by sheepishly implying that maybe Freud hadn’t quite been as discredited as he had previously thought. The two Jews were only mildly appeased by his rather abject apology.

    Freud still has a very pivotal role in Jewish culture because he had been very effective in making antisemitism a mental aberration/disease rather than a response to Jewish behavior. Most Jews still accept his claims. Freud still makes Jews feel very good about themselves in their often contentious relations with “irrational or crazy” gentiles. Jews are not about to easily give up that feeling.

    Freud had long ago become a Jewish totem. Like Capt. Dreyfus Like Leo Frank, Like the Spanish Civil War with its Jewish led International Brigades killing Spanish Catholics in order to “teach Hitler a lesson”. Like their Jewish ancestor’s membership in the “idealistic” 1930s Communist Party USA (where the word Holmodor was curiousoly unknown). To question a totem is heresy.

    Anti-totem-ism in action: A few years ago a couple of French army generals said publicly that they thought famous Capt. Dreyfus might have been, in fact, guilty of the charges lodged against him.

    Their punishment for this “anti-totem-ism” was amazingly quick and especially fierce. They were not only thoroughly blacklisted. They also lost their army pensions. Even their decades of service did not protect them. This was done in order to teach all others the dangers of questioning a Jewish totem.

    Hoover Institute TV host Peter Robinson will be especially vigilant in the future to never make his little “mistake” again.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Alden
    • Replies: @utu
  90. @Greg Bacon

    ‘…Now if this was a Muslim practice, every night, Wolf Blitzer would be foaming at the mouth, reporting on the latest baby rape.
    But since it’s Jews, mum’s the word.’

    That much is probably true. That the rabbi gets a sexual thrill out of it, I doubt.

    • Replies: @anon
  91. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Christianity is Greek you halfwit

    • Replies: @utu
  92. Freud was initiated into the recently founded B’nai B’rith in September 1897

    Excellent research!

  93. @AaronB

    ‘…But you have to admit that its profoundly weird that Europeans, whose distinctive and original contribution to the world is precisely and exactly the culture of critique that destroys all traditions, are projecting this on to Jews, who are the source of the three Western religious traditions?’

    This would be all well and good — except that it’s not true.

    For the last hundred years and more, Jews have been disproportionately represented in every movement aimed at destroying traditional society. Revolutionary socialism, radical feminism, the promotion of sexual deviance, aggressive anti-white propaganda: Jews have always been very prominent in these, sometimes by an order of magnitude.

    So it’s not ‘projection.’ It’s observing the actual state of affairs.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @The Dark Night
    , @Poco
  94. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Agent76

    Freud was a postgraduate student with Charcot at the Salpetrière Hospital in Paris from October 1885 to february 1886 . Charcot received students from all over Europe .

    Charcot provoked great attacks of histeria in women with hypnosis in front of his students , and suggested that they were caused by sexual traumas . At that time europeans were very puritan in sexual matters . Some people said that the women were payed by Charcot to simulate being hypnotized and perform the hysteric fits , those ” scientists ” you know…..

    Back to Vienna Freud tried to hypnotize the patients , but failed , and then he decided to switch to the armchair , patients lying , he at the side and behind .. et voilà …..the word and the dreams would be the way to the ” unconscious ” .

    Freud also tried to cure depressions with cocaine , even himself tried cocaine , when a phisician friend of him got adicted to cocaine and suicided he stopped his cocaine trials .

  95. @anon

    ‘…these days any criticism of jews, no matter how valid, is often labeled as “Anti-semitism”’

    Be fair. These days the tag is generally used to inhibit criticism of Israel.

    If you want to rant about circumcision or even go on and on about the Protocols, you can pretty much knock yourself out; no one will care.

  96. @Assad al-islam

    ‘The Jewish and Islamic circumcision differ in concept and intention…’

    I see no reason to doubt most of what you say about circumcision — but I doubt it is practiced in Islam for the reasons you offer.

    Rather, it would be because Islam was Judaism/Christianity purified of corruption; a return to what God really said. So circumcision is a valid practice in Judaism; therefore it is in Islam as well.

    Naturally, any practice that offers health benefits will tend to be perpetuated — if only by natural selection. However, I’d bet the reason for the mandate in Islam is theological, not hygenic. This is what God wants you to do.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  97. AaronB says:
    @anon

    if this was the case, jews would be loved the world over

    Unfortunately, that’s not how the world. Morality is hated – people want to be bad.

    these days any criticism of jews, no matter how valid, is often labeled as “Anti-semitism”

    I think both sides are at fault here.

    Many people who criticize Jews or Israel are clearly anti-Semites, while at the same time, Jews probably leverage this to stigmatize even legitimate criticism.

    But if so much of the criticism wasn’t unhinged, Jews would be much less successful at stigmatizing ordinary criticism.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Druid
  98. AaronB says:
    @anon

    if this was the case, jews would be loved the world over

    Unfortunately, that’s not how the world. Morality is hated – people want to be bad.

    these days any criticism of jews, no matter how valid, is often labeled as “Anti-semitism”

    I think both sides are at fault here.

    Many people who criticize Jews or Israel are clearly anti-Semites, while at the same time, Jews probably leverage this to stigmatize even legitimate criticism.

    But if so much of the criticism wasn’t unhinged, Jews would be much less successful at stigmatizing ordinary criticism.

  99. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Christianity is Greek you halfwit

    This is true but a special role of Jews can’t be denied. This role assured a position of Jews of not being pagans or heathens which protected them from forceful conversions. This was the greatest mistake of the Church that it did not treat Jews just like any other pagans and heathens. Then Judaism and Jewry would have survived only outside of Christendom and the Western Civilization would be protected from their negative influence.

  100. anarchyst says:
    @Assad al-islam

    “Modern science” does not support removal of a healthy body part. Circumcision IS “male genital mutilation”, no matter way you look at it.

    The “health aspect” of circumcision can be compared to “climate change”. Both ar frauds of the highest order.

  101. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @mastodon

    …I am certain more than likely our ultimate demise.

    Hopefully not. One thing is certain: they will never stop on their own. They will either exterminate themselves or… exterminate themselves and the rest of humanity.

  102. Wally says:
    @mastodon

    The question is why are so many Jew big deals fraudulent?
    From Freud to Einstein, the fake ‘pogroms’, the fake “holocaust”, the list seems endless.
    What is their problem?

    And why must Jews be “the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral“.

    Plus, I assume that since their lies are so easily debunked the only recourse is suppression of free speech about them.
    ex.:
    Singer / songwiter Alison Chabloz Jailed Again, This Time for Using Blog: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12760
    exc:

    Chabloz, from Charlesworth in Derbyshire, was convicted last year for writing, performing and publishing songs which mocked Jews and the Holocaust.

    The charges related to songs titled Nemo’s Antisemitic Universe, I Like It How It Is, performed at the right-wing London Forum in 2016, and a third, titled (((survivors))).

    In the latter, Chabloz mocked Jewish figures, including Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel, as well as Anne and Otto Frank, to the tune of Hava Nagila.

  103. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Culture of critique theory doesn’t merely note that ethnic Jews have been heavily involved in Enlightenment-derived efforts to destroy traditional cultures in modern times.

    That would be fine. There are plenty of Hellenized apostate Jews who have assimilated into European culture. Secular Jews are ambitious, and many will strive for leadership positions in their new European cultural home.

    MacDonald completely fails to mention that the Enlightenment is the source of these tradition destroying ideas, but seeks precisely to link it to Jewish culture and religion.

    This is what is so profoundly perverse, when the unique European contribution to world culture is precisely the “culture of critique” – rationality, analysis, rationalism, science, philosophy, the Enlightenment. Any child will tell you that rationalism, analysis, etc, refusing to accept things on tradition or faith, is Europe’s “gift” to the world.

    So to locate tradition destroying culture in Jewish religion and culture, is clearly a case of Shadow projection of the most startling and astonishing sort.

  104. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    “but it’s implicitly contrasted with the undefined but apparently uniform and healthy psychology of everyone else.”

    No, it is not.
    These ideas are not analogous to a law of physics or mechanics whereby a force in one direction automatically engenders an equal force in the opposite direction, or what ever the actual law is.

    Sociopathologies of Judaism don’t automatically exclude the existence of sociopathological patterns arising from other religious beliefs. If you are a Catholic, say, why don’t your write about that menu of sociopathologies?

    Don’t expect Guyenot to do so!

    So, the whole comment is predicated on a faulty assumption:
    “Is that really at all accurate? ”

    No it isn’t accurate. You just made it up. Classic misdirectional maneuver.

    This comment sounds like a complicated variation on whatabouttism. I expect better from Colin Wright.

  105. @AaronB

    Its the distortion of facts, the selective use of facts, the use of historical truths to exaggerate and inflate claims, etc, in order to demonize Jews that is anti-Semitic.

    Heard this in too many permutations to enumerate.

    The problem, Aaron, is that Jews have been more active about advancing legislation to criminalize or suppress expression than any other contemporary interest group (e.g. anti-BDS laws, laws against Holocaust revisionism, etc.). FWIW, it disturbs me when Muslims seek to join Jews in advocating “hate crime” legislation. We should play no part in this fiasco.

    Why do Jews do this? They regard this variety of expression as “anti-Semitic,” and as such, threatening to their safety and security.

    Now imagine if we were to apply this same pattern of legislation to anyone who felt offended or similarly “threatened.”

    Is this supposed to be God’s light unto the nations, leading us to a better existence?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  106. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    As for Darwinism, there is no denying that it is utterly amoral and promotes an outlook on life that can only be described as psychopathic.

    And Darwinism has become the explanation of the meaning of life in the West.

    Again, you may think Darwinism is correct and has benefits, but you must admit only one culture in the entire world invented and then adopted an explanation for the meaning of life that is utterly psychopathic, and pushes morality out of its traditional role at the center of life’s meaning.

    (This is a big part of why whites feel a crushing burden of guilt, but that’s another issue)

    One may ignore the high morality of the Prophets and focus on what some people see as some of the less sublime teachings of the Talmud – but even these do not dispense entirely with moral calculations and simply embrace an amoral attitude. The opposite, actually.

    So again, for the one culture which invented and adopted a psychopathic outlook on life to then seek to define Judaism, where moral concern is at its core, as essentially psychopathic can only be seen as another profoundly weird and astonishing case of Shadow projection.

  107. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Isabella

    Isabella , besides the mythological aspects , Freud was also a clinician and some times made good clinical observations . In one ocasion regarding the Edipus theory , he complained that many phychiatrist were pesting him for saying what any woman raising children knew .

    Many clinicians see the Edipus this way . The baby is born from the mother and is milked and cared by the mother , and thus identifies with the mother , the baby girls being women identify with the mother for the rest of their lifes . But the baby boy first identifies with the mother and in a second stage has to disidentify with the mother and identify with the father .

    In order to do that the mother has to enpower the father , the masculine figure , and ” give ” the boy to the father , baby girl is like mommy and baby boy is like daddy . If the mother disempowers the figure of the father , rejects the masculinity of the father , or is so egoist that wants the baby boy only for herself , she creates what the italians call with just one word , a ” mamone ” , a tit ( mama ) sucker , ( or a mamòn in spanish ) ,with low virility , effeminated , who is under the power of the mother , of women , and does not completely identify with the figure of the father , like a man .

    It is a sexual thing , but not a genital thing .

    Given the attitudes of western women , and of western men , and the sexual politics of Governments , is easy to understant why there are so many ” mamones ” in the west , isn`t it ?

    The Gods punishment for edipic ” mamones ” is blindness , that`s to say mental blindness , stupidity , lack of inteligence , lack of Logos .

  108. Franz says:
    @Miggle

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8944-jubilees-book-of

    Early Jewish apocalypto. Rabbi Salkin notes that most of the secular Jews he talks to remember nothing about their early religious training but they do remember the “breaking the gods” story, which tells me they are quite clued to the Jewish destructive tradition, like or no.

    Actually they also have the Noahide laws in them, which is fairly well known in some quarters.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  109. @Alden

    When watching the History channel one must consider: who owns the channel, is there inherent bias, does the channel have ulterior goals?
    If the jews can convince the world that the (alleged) holocaust was so traumatic it altered only their DNA, can they ever sufficiently be compensated? $$$$$$.

  110. Franz says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Like Moses Abraham is just a myth.

    Agree completely.

    But as the Irish researcher Herbie Brennan used to say, don’t bother with the story itself, ask why the story has such enduring popularity among large numbers of people? Why do Jews like the fact their history starts with an act of flat out deliquency and destruction?

  111. @Paul

    No corroborating data needed when you have B’nai B’rth on your side.
    Read the author’s book From Yaweh to Zion. Interesting stuff.

  112. Franz says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    a guy suffering from acute schizophrenia, constantly hearing the ‘voice of God’ in his head

    For my money that’s a pretty good description of every religious leader since we hung out in caves.

    But some have more staying power than others, and nobody has a formula to get rid of them once they take root.

  113. Skeptikal says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I find Guyenot’s comments about the psychic trauma of circumcision to all who must be dragged into the ritual (mother, father, everyone else who knows what is to come, what he/she must do to his/her own male child, and on and on) to be sharply inciteful I mean insightful.

    I have long felt that the circumcision circus was sociopathic and, well, disgusting.
    Taken out of its Jewish religious setting and put into any other setting it would be recognized as the primitive but also hugely damaging mumbo-jumbo that it is.

    Imagine a group of people forced to gather to observe and witness the ritual mutilation of any other person in, say, a gym or a swimming pool or a library or any other specific place. That would be highly illegal and forcing people to watch would be considered psychological torture. Indeed, forcing a person to watch or hear another–in particular a relative or spouse, or ny other person with whom one has a strong psychic bond—being tortured is a classic form of psychological torture. E.g., “Drop the gun or I cut off one of your son’s fingers. ” The stomach churns just imagining it. How is that different from “We are going to cut off a piece of your son’s penis and you will watch and if you don’t like it you will be cast into social and psychic isolation forever and ever.”

    That this traumatic mutilation is the basis of the Jewish convenant with God is sick sick sick.

    Glad to read such a searching essay on the psychic sickness and the manner of the success of its projection onto Gentiles.

  114. Skeptikal says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon always has to argue and prove his better credentials.
    He tries with bald assertion to disprove the writer’s complex thesis and hammer home his own conclusion:
    That Freud was a towering genius of Western thought.
    But just saying so does not make it true.
    The whole point of Guyenot’s essay is that he was not.
    Freud was an interesting product of his time and place, and many of his nutty ideas (such as the existence of penis envy; in light of the circumcision horror it is likely that penis envy, envy of an intact penis, that is, was a Jewish problem and projection) are deeply misogynistic. His and Fliess’s treatment of [can’t recall name] was criminal medical malpractice. Freud and Fliess were two quacks involved in a folie a deux.

    But Bard0n I guess thinks he can come out on top by listing a bunch of links to books that he suggests that Guyenot should read. No one is a more serious intellectual and scholar than Bardon! To understand his own errors of interpretation, Guyenot has only to apply himself to Bardian’s reading list to understand and accept Bardon’s views.
    The arrogance and smugness of this guy are unbelievable and extremely predictable.

    • Agree: utu
  115. And so it goes … the ever persecuted jews … and for what reason? One can not find an existing problem on this planet that doesn’t circle back to the jews. It’s as if they are a cancer infecting the very soul of society. Tossed out of nations over 100 times is very telling, and of their ability to deflect blame on others takes a very concerted investment by the tribes in time and money. They have even perfected ways to cause their victims to assume their inbred guilt and actually fund their operations. Look at what happened to Germany after 2 wars, the holocaust museums erected across the planet, all paid for by others taxes. Today all of the Western nations have governments infested with jews. They have almost completely captured Christianity, both Catholic and Protestant, well over 7 million in America alone.
    Now that they have a nation of their own jews should be shipped to it. Forced if need be.

  116. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    “I’d bet ”

    How about providing some actual information?

    FYI, y’all:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_(circumcision)

  117. AP says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    He is in the past 50-70 years being dismissed by scientifically-oriented psychologists & psychiatrists

    I’ve written this before, but the abandonment of Freud in psychiatry (say, in favor of Skinner’s behaviorism) and the adoption of his ideas outside psychiatry both represent a process of degeneration.

    Within psychiatry or neurology, the backlash against him has partially reversed. Clinically his ideas are anachronistic and many are ridiculous, but the theories of post-Freudians such as Otto Kernberg and Heinz Kohut are considered to be useful, particularly in the diagnosis and treatment of people with disordered personalities.

    This forensic book is a classic:

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @annamaria
  118. Jake says:

    “According to Andrew Heinze, author of Jews and the American Soul, Jews have shaped “American ideas about the mind and soul” with the preoccupation “to purge the evils they associated with Christian civilization.”[14] It really started with Freud.”

    No, it did not begin with Freud. It began with Anglo-Saxon Puritans coming here and bringing a Judaizing theology and a national culture formed by that Judaizing theology that was all about replacing Christendom with a Judaized form of a Germanic tribal identity.

    This descent into horrors cannot be reversed while bowing to WASP culture, while failing to act to re-embrace historic Christianity and rebuild Christendom.

  119. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You seem to present yourself as a moralist, and yet somehow you did not notice that the passage you are so fond of belongs to a critique of a tyrant. Where Plato looked for the man, Freud was sniffing bodily fluids, profitably.

    “The moralists are determined that the tyrant, driven to excess, is less than a man.” https://books.google.com/books?id=LlEVDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA261&lpg=#v=onepage&q&f=false

  120. Skeptikal says:
    @Art

    Right.
    Freud’s own family life was pretty incestuous. Or at least, his love life was majorly tangled. He very likely had an ongoing affair with his wife’s younger sister, Minna.

  121. Svevlad says:

    It’s not just a Jew thing, it’s a general MENA thing. Who else practices genital mutilation so fervently even today, who is stereotyped to lust after starlets, offering money to them to commit acts humiliating to the payer? Heck, abos had the weird dick splitting thing and even they stopped with the bullshit (but if they had a bit more IQ without a doubt the world would have TWO “jew” groups – the Jews, and that one australoid one)

  122. Skeptikal says:
    @Alden

    “Off topic history channel has a program about the DNA of holocaust survivors being permanently altered by the stress or whatever. And all their descendants from now have this altered DNA. Program cited a scientific American article supposedly proved this. ”

    Has anyone tested the Roma to see whether they have this mysterious DNA change as a result of their trauma?
    The Roma/Sinti genocide was more horrific and more complete than what happened to the Jews, and the Gypsies didn’t have any friends with German society to help and hide them, or friends in foreign countries to help them, or a land grab in some other territory set up especially for them to flee to. Of course they didn’t have any money to barter for their lives. Even their caravans and household items were stolen from them before they were sent to be gassed.

    But strangely enough we only hear about the Jewish trauma, not the Gypsy one.

  123. annamaria says:
    @AaronB

    “Morality is hated – people want to be bad.”

    — Well. Let’s invoke some names.
    Trotsky (Bronshtein) was a mass murderer financed by Jakob Schiff (who also financed the Russo-Japanese war of 1905 against Russia).

    Kaganovitch, the Wolf of Kremlin and butcher of the peasantry in Ukraine: “On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found the Jewish Cheka guard Lazar Kaganovich guilty of genocide against Ukrainians for his participation in the 1932-33 Holodomor.”

    Rozalia Zalkind (Zemlyachka) who was called the “fury of the Communist terror.” https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/
    Naftali Frankel and Matvei Berman, the organizers of GULAG.
    Genrikh Yagoda, “chief of Soviet Secret Police (NKVD which became the KGB), probably the biggest mass murderer of all time:” http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2017/05/soviet-crimes.html

    Kristol, Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, the Kagans’ clan of warmongers, Carl Gershman of NED fame (the NED is a school of regime-changing and arranging civil wars). Madeleine Albright-Korbelova, the murderess and daughter of a thief.
    Epstein, Maxwell, Wexner, Adelson, Dershowitz, Alperovitch … — are you still a passionate believer in a superior Jewish morality? Keep your belief if you wish but don’t expect from others to trust your mythology of the most moral victimhood. https://www.bh.org.il/blog-items/story-zvi-migdal-infamous-jewish-prostitution-cartel/

    It is intolerable for you that people criticize zionists for the crimes against humanity, hence your sleight of hand — to call the well-deserved criticism of the crimes the antisemitism. Does not work anymore. Zionists have shown so much hatred and shamelessness that any attempts at sanctifying zionism (and the profiteering schema of holohoax) became impotent.

    “AaronB” proclaimed, “Israel is defensive in nature.”
    Where have you been to miss the history of the self-proclaimed Jewish terrorism, Nakba, and land theft? https://thesaker.is/the-real-reason-behind-democrats-impeachment-of-trump/

    … leaders and representatives of so many world states expressed harsh criticism of Israel’s occupation and murder of Palestinians living in this open air concentration camp and used as live targets by Israelis. Even the Chinese offered Israel to clear off the occupied territories

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Poco
  124. @mastodon

    And that brings us to the million dollar question. How do we even begin to remedy this??

    Unless these conversations are taken out of this echo chamber, into the “real world” aka the matrix, nothing will come out of such well researched essays. It’ll be difficult and threatening, but it has to be done

    For my part, I ve made it a point to discuss these and other things with the “good thinkers”, in an intelligent, non threatening way as much as I can. And put in very solid arguments that are difficult to get around. All this with a smile on my lips and without looking smug or overbearing

  125. @AaronB

    ‘…So to locate tradition destroying culture in Jewish religion and culture, is clearly a case of Shadow projection of the most startling and astonishing sort.’

    Others may do that; I don’t. It’s a bit much to see a lot of benighted Galician tailors, Yemeni whatevers, etc as the saboteurs of Western civilization.

    I’m merely observing the role Jews have played since their emancipation.

    I think you’re going to extraordinary lengths to erect a singularly unconvincing straw man in the pursuit of the obviously inane goal of absolving Jews of responsibility for anything.

    We’ve all sinned. The difficulty is that Jewry’s worst sin — Israel — is going on right now, and with my involuntary support. Absent that obscene little Nazi statelet, I really don’t think I’d bother my pretty little head about what Jews were or weren’t doing more frequently than what other white groups were doing. After all, in modern America, one’s particular religion really is pretty inconsequential; I know at least one perfectly intelligent — in fact, very intelligent — individual who wasn’t even aware Bernie Sanders was Jewish.

    I suspect that’s actually part of the reason so many less-secure Jews are such fanatic Zionists. They’ve little to cling to otherwise in the way of a meaningful identity — but that’s another subject.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  126. Judaism is a mental disease transmitted by viral memes. At some point in the past it jumped its host and morphed into leftism that now thoroughly infects gentiles.

  127. @Colin Wright

    His first books are brilliant. I learned to interpret dreams through his book. But later he kind of lost it. He was a cocaine addict. And also a materialist. Perhaps this explains it.

    However in the end of his life he wrote one last piece in which he reassessed his opinions about a lot of things – religion, intuition – right before he died. He was brilliant.

    Free associations technique which he developed opens the doors of understanding. From there we start. He shouldn’t be underestimated and bashed, as he has been in this article.

  128. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    I have no problem admitting Jews do bad things. Half the Bible is Jews doing bad things and being punished by God.

    So I’m certainly not trying to absolve Jews of all responsibility for various bad things they played a part in.

    What I am concerned with is correcting misperceptions of Jewish culture and religion, and having a correct understanding of Western culture and its self destruction.

    I think European guilt for having destroyed traditional cultures through excessive rationalism, and for inventing and then living by monstrous ideologies like Darwinism, is too heavy and crushing a load to bear – so many project the guilt onto a Scapegoat, the Jews. Other whites merely collapse in self hatred and idealize other races and cultures, which is equally bad.

    The one thing needful – atonement and repentance, ceasing to live by monstrosities like Darwinism, they do not do.

    As for Israel, your attitude toward Israel is not balanced. A person may oppose certain Israeli actions, or even oppose the manner in which it came into existence. But to ascribe all evil to one country and ardently wish for its destruction is not a healthy and balanced point of view.

    Even though I support Israel, my attitude is merely that it is more on the right than its adversaries. Not that it is without blemish. And even though I think, in the main, Arab countries and the Palestinians are the ones acting immorally and viciously here, I do not see them as utterly without virtue and without the right to exist, and I appreciate aspects of their culture.

  129. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Most of the Jews involved in this are not traditional, and yes, they are definitely acting in a foolish and heavy handed manner – at least according to examples I’ve heard about.

    However, this whole process must be seen as a skirmish in the larger process of Enlightenment ideas unfolding in a predetermined manner.

    Criminalizing “intolerance” is criminalizing offenses against an Enlightenment virtue.

    Most of the world does not have free speech laws. America, being founded on Enlightenment principles, does. The interesting development now is that two Enlightenment principles – free speech and tolerance – are in direct conflict.

    As for Jewish involvement, to some extent it is leveraging emerging trends in Enlightenment culture towards deciding in favor of criminalizing intolerance rather than protecting free speech.

    No traditional culture is free of censorship, and absolute free speech is certainly not a Jewish value.

    Certainly traditional Islamic culture does not value absolute free speech, nor does Christian, nor Buddhist, etc.

    But yes, the specific way this is being done in America seems stupid and wrong to me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  130. Alden says:

    Off topic again

    The big airport in Orange County Ca is named John Wayne Airport. There’s a move to change the name because he was a racist. ( Also one of the few Golden EraHollywood stars who was neither communist or Jewish ). Forgot his wife was Mexican and his kids were half Mexican. Of course in those days she was White with a Spanish last name.

    A San Francisco model minority entrepreneur restaurant owner, Robert Chang claims that signs in super markets that say Ethnic Foods Latin Asian whatever is Jim Crow racist and segregationist.

    San Francisco asian restaurants; illegal slave labor who live in the restaurant, mystery meat masquerading as chicken beef pork, drug sales, money laundering immigration fraud.

    Or why we refuse to eat in Asian restaurants It’s just spice, starch and slaves. Fattening too, all that rice noodles crepes and scraps of dubious meat.

  131. As a veteran analysand and reader of Jeffrey Masson’s book (The Assault on Truth) I read this with considerable interest. It’s “curious” that I never understood from “The Assault on Truth” that the appalling degree of sexual abuse/incest he described was in fact, peculiar to only ONE culture, and one culture only. Rather, I got the impression pretty much ALL middle-class and upper middle class Europeans of the day were diddling and raping their daughters and nieces like it was going out of style… Dissembling and deceitful to the bitter end I suppose…

    … And it wasn’t till the age of 45 that I finally began to grasp what a atrocious, bullshit, empty bill of goods had been sold me (GASP!) with psychoanalysis: The utter contempt of the Gentile writ large in Judaism is epitomized with Psychoanalysis; as it is with Marxism, the pernicious and abhorrent philosophies that have made such a culminate and deadly impact on Western Civilization… Made to believe there was something deeply, unfixably wrong with me, that I would never be right, that I was grossly inferior, that I would have to lean on psychiatrists and counselors for the rest of my life …

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  132. @AaronB

    Aaron, aren’t Jews Europeans?

    Your comment is good. But there’s something missing. Perhaps the Church should have been mentioned, to complete the picture. I think the Church for the most part painted it.

    I mean, a nation cannot claim being of a high moral standard if people are burned at the stake for not following them, can it? And then, once the Church is gone people go bananas.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Parfois1
  133. @AaronB

    ‘As for Israel, your attitude toward Israel is not balanced. A person may oppose certain Israeli actions, or even oppose the manner in which it came into existence…’

    My attitude towards forcible rape of four year olds is not ‘balanced,’ either. That doesn’t mean it’s unjustified.

    How’s your attitude about the Holocaust? ‘Balanced’ or ‘unbalanced’?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  134. @AaronB

    ‘…As for Jewish involvement, to some extent it is leveraging emerging trends in Enlightenment culture towards deciding in favor of criminalizing intolerance rather than protecting free speech…’

    You mean, ‘towards deciding in favor of criminalizing criticism of Israel.’ Jews would be all for free speech if it wasn’t that Israel is so indefensible.

  135. Gilles says:

    Bonjour Laurent,
    Avez-vous le texte français ou est-ce écrit directement en anglais ? J’aimerais bien non seulement lire ce texte en français mais aussi le relayer à mes contacts du Canada français. Bien à vous. Haut les coeurs !

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  136. @The Dark Night

    ‘Aaron, aren’t Jews Europeans?’

    Depends on which Jews. Like Christians or Muslims, Jews belong to all sorts of cultures, and have little in common with each other beyond what texts they read in their church. Aaron and a Yemeni Jew share nothing that a Swedish Lutheran and a Filipino Catholic don’t share.

    …this is one of the many, many reasons Israel is such dysfunctional, indefensible enterprise. You might as well declare a ‘Christianland’ and populate it with various Christians from various random but unappetizing places and expect it to work.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  137. @AaronB

    ‘…Again, you may think Darwinism is correct and has benefits, but you must admit only one culture in the entire world invented and then adopted an explanation for the meaning of life that is utterly psychopathic, and pushes morality out of its traditional role at the center of life’s meaning.

    (This is a big part of why whites feel a crushing burden of guilt, but that’s another issue)…’

    Okay. That’s just strange. Aside from its logical indefensibility, I strongly suspect you don’t ‘feel a crushing burden of guilt’ on that account, and I know I don’t.

    I think you need to back up and rethink your drink. You’ve obviously imbibed or invented a bunch of little formulas that work — as long as no one examines them critically.

    It’s like if we all agree that the earth is flat. Well, that works — until someone comes along and points out what happens if we look at a tower from a great distance.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  138. @Colin Wright

    For two millenias almost until before two centuries ago more or less the Jews had to exist among people whose minds were twisted to the extent when the people couldn’t tell good from evil. Even standing and looking at “heretics” being burned those people couldn’t tell good from evil. And now the same people, or their descendants to be correct, are talking about traditions? Please.

    This is what I read some time ago –

    [MORE]

    I recall being fascinated at the strangeness and creativity of tales like the 16th-century Jewish woman said to have given birth to twin piglets, the common 15th-century belief that Jewish males menstruate, and speculation that Jews buried their dead with small rocks to throw at Christ in the afterlife.

    Of all the artistic manifestations of anti-Jewish folklore, few are more acute, vehement, and scatological than the imagery of the Judensau, or ‘Jew-Pig.’ In brief, the image, depicted in woodcuts or in stone, often on churches between the 13th and 15th centuries, is an allegorical reference to Jews drawing sustenance from the Talmud, with Jews shown suckling from a sow and examining or eating its feces.

    In one legend, for example, the aversion to pork dated from the time of Christ, when a sneering Jew challenged Christ to guess the contents of a barrel that the Jew knew to contain a slaughtered pig. Unknown to the Jew, the pig had been removed and his own children were hiding in the barrel. When Jesus answered that the man’s children were in the barrel, he was mocked and told there was a pig inside. “Let them be pigs then,” replied Jesus, and the children were transformed into piglets. From that day onward, so goes the tale, Jews avoided eating pork because for them that would be cannibalism.

    The specific implication of the Judensau image is that Jews, in their spiritual blindness or as a result of possessing a perverted nature prefer to seek spiritual nourishment from something filthy and disgusting – the Talmud, rather than a pure and healthy source – the New Testament.

    This is astonishing.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Robjil
  139. Wally says:
    @Gilles

    Oh please, give us a break.

    Cut the ‘I speak French, I’m so special’ silliness.

    This an English language site.

  140. @AaronB

    As for Jewish involvement, to some extent it is leveraging emerging trends in Enlightenment culture towards deciding in favor of criminalizing intolerance rather than protecting free speech.

    No traditional culture is free of censorship, and absolute free speech is certainly not a Jewish value.

    Your segue is misleading.

    We weren’t discussing the internal checks and balances within any given religious culture; we were referring to explicitly secular law and the restrictions that Jews have brought to bear upon it, for everyone.

    The shari’ah is for Muslims, not for anyone else. It also commands protection of religious liberty.

    Certainly traditional Islamic culture does not value absolute free speech

    America is a dar al-‘ahd [abode of treaty], sworn to protect the religious liberty of its residents, and as such, we abide by the terms of its contract, enjoying full rights under the aegis of its Constitution.

    Muslim American culture absolutely values that liberty, even if it should be exploited by its enemies to incite hatred of Muslims. Trusting in God, they know truth will prevail when nobody is fettered for telling it.

    But yes, the specific way this is being done in America seems stupid and wrong to me.

    There you have it.

    Another Jewish coup writ large upon America’s purportedly secular institutions of government.

    How much longer do you imagine Americans will remain oblivious to the patterns?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  141. @Colin Wright

    And of course, with those enormous families — up to twenty children — all kept at home and deprived of most of the forms of recreation available to children of normal families, sexual perversion was as likely to break out as it is in prison.
    ========================
    I guess they had no access to farm animals like rural kids do? No, I am not joking. A professional once told me that rural children often….I was horrified needless to say.
    It seems strange to me to equate children to prisoners. I personally think this is an ‘idle hands is the devil’s workshop’ argument. I’m not arguing against opportunity and environment having some influence in the sense of providing options. But, culture seems much more relevant.

  142. Freud: “I had contrasted this situation with another which befitted my feelings better: the scene in which Hannibal’s father, Hamilcar Barca, made his boy [Hannibal] swear before the household altar to take vengeance on the Romans. Ever since that time Hannibal had had a place in my fantasies.”

    There is more here than meets the eye. Sephardim are “Spanish and North African Jews.” And who are “Spanish Jews?” They are descendants of Carthaginian Phoenicians and their Berber Allies. (The Barca family gave their name to Barcelona.) Sepharad is the name of a Phoenician city in the Levant. So “Sephardim” is actually Hebrew for Phoenicians who were worshipers of Moloch. Yahweh was a divinity from the Northern Kingdom of Israel which was in the Levant. So Moloch and Yahweh are cousins. Who built the Temple for Solomon? Hiram of Tyre. Tyre was the principal Phoenician city, until subdued by Alexander the Great. Hiram is the victim/hero of the Freemasons. And after being defeated by the Romans, and incorporated into the Roman Empire, many of the surviving Punics of Spain and North Africa and their Berber allies became Jews to benefit from the privileges the Romans already accorded to Jews. So Phoenicians and Jews are as related as Moloch and Yahweh. Hence Freud could identify with Hannibal. And he could identify with the hatred of Rome (which Freud hated as he hated the spire of Saint Stephan’s Cathedral in Vienna). And he could identify with the eternal Jewish desire for revenge against Amalek.

  143. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    You may consider the idea strange, but it is actually a pretty common notion among classic European writers, philosophers, and thinkers.

    When people still read the classic authors, this would be well known.

    Back when I identified as white, I did indeed walk around with a sense of guilt and a sense that I am from a civilization that destroys the beauty of traditional cultures and is hostile to poetry, love, and imagination. This is one of the reasons I returned to Judaism.

  144. @Assad al-islam

    There is no such thing as “excess foreskin.” The foreskin has a protective role, God given, if you like. Where you had the circumcision done do you have a shortage of water for washing? If you want to be rational go all the way, instead of around in circles. There is no difference between male circumcision and female genital mutilation.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @acementhead
  145. In the Abraham story the idea that the sacrifice was Isaac makes no sense. Ishmael was older; the willingness to sacrifice the only son was rewarded by another son: that other son was Isaac. That makes Ishmael the intended sacrifice. Of course then, after Isaac was born, Ishmael was left in the desert. So, really nothing, makes any sense here. It is all meshugge.

  146. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    There are many forces at work today in America trying to criminalize intolerance – some Jews have unfortunately joined the bandwagon, as have unfortunately some Muslims.

    I condemn them, and am heartened that you condemn it from the Muslim side. That is good. It would be nice to get some liberals to condemn it from their side.

    However, Jews do not threaten violence against people criticizing Judaism or Israel , nor shoot up offices of magazines that do so. They limit themselves to working through the legal system and utilizing pre-existing trends in American society – and most do not concern themselves with it at all.

    Furthermore, there is considerably more freedom.of speech in Israel than the Muslim world.

    So it would seem that both in the West and at home, this is a far more serious issue among Muslims. I pray and hope that you guys get better.

    As for censorship in traditional societies, sharia law surely does not permit criticism of Islam by non believers.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  147. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    That much is probably true. That the rabbi gets a sexual thrill out of it, I doubt.

    in the few photos i have seen of the practice, the rabbi opposite the “sucker” often has an excited look on his face

  148. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Back when I identified as white, I did indeed walk around with a sense of guilt and a sense that I am from a civilization that destroys the beauty of traditional cultures and is hostile to poetry, love, and imagination. This is one of the reasons I returned to Judaism.

    i know, its those dirty white folks that go around planning the destruction of 5 MENA countries in 7 years

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @AaronB
  149. Jake says:
    @James J OMeara

    At least regarding circumcision, you reason like a Jew or the ‘other’ Semites the Mohammedans.

    • Replies: @Anon
  150. Jake says:
    @AaronB

    Whites have the guilt you describe because they have rejected Christ and Christendom. Being Jewish, meaning not just having the ancestry but choosing to be Jewish in identity, means that your sense of guilt will always be about Jewish flesh not getting served enough.

  151. Druid says:
    @James J OMeara

    There is no such thing as Islamic FGM. You’re a site for suggesting this. Your prejudice leaks like your Schlong with this comment. It is a cultural phenomenon, mainly in parts od Africa.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  152. utu says:
    @The Dark Night

    Forget about the dubious folklore and check how many Jews were stoned by other Jews in Europe for apostasy or heresy? When was the last Jew stoned in 19 century Galicia and for what? Why Jacob Frank and thousands of his followers converted to Catholicism in 18 century Poland? What were they afraid of?

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  153. @Anonymous

    I am really getting tired of this constant drumbeat of the evils-occult and obvious-of circumcision as mutilation, lasting trauma, yada yada. This has become a badge of something, like a cult or exclusive virtue signaling committee.

    Face it, scientifically and factually, it is no more than piercing ear lobes of infant girls in the Catholic tradition, like all of my nieces. They are not traumatized in the least. There is no data, no systemic effect of negative behavior traits (it has to be observable to be considered worthy) of circumcision.

    What IS known is that the circumcised penis have less probability of getting and transmitting infectious and contagious diseases. Let’s take facts and data.

    This rubbish belongs in the alley dumpster along with Climate Change, White Privilege, Systemic Racism, Diversity Is Our Strength, and many other isolated-from-Reality tropes for dopes.

    The other takeaway is to cast extreme doubt on any Jewish Social Scientist and at least moderate on any other. Nothing makes me more livid that putting forth half-baked, sophomoric, bizarre, baseless NOTIONS [not even assertions], and then repeating them over and over, throwing any distant tangential thing or phenomenon to desperately prop up an upside down pyramid.

    • Replies: @roo_ster
    , @Auyamsar8
  154. Druid says:
    @AaronB

    You and yours claim to be “chose” and will rule the goyim and each of you have 700 slaves, etc. dumbass!

  155. @Druid

    A meaningless statement. A more precise way is to say it is most highly correlated-found-in this case with Islamic societies, even if there is no commandment or incitement in Islamic holy writ. What is found in Islamic religious writing is the complete denigration of woman, as mere chattel, having the status of of herd animal. Get it?

    This creates the context that the desires and wants of women have no validity or basis.

  156. @ploni almoni

    Ridiculous. Unscientific. Baseless. Lacking evidence. The way you framed it, it is little more than a subjective and cosmetic preference.

    However, the advantages of circumcision from a prophylaxis and disease inhibitor are evidence based.

    Plus, a survey by the National Institutes of Health Library of Medicine found that women prefer circumcises penises by a significant margin.

    Go to Follow Commenters, under my name, and read my arguments why your position is unsupportable. You have not made your case. I have made mine.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  157. Druid says:
    @AaronB

    Alcoholic or just a zio?

  158. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    I object to the Holocaust, but I don’t think the Germans alone are responsible for world war two, or that there is zero virtue or good qualities in the German nation, or that Germany alone must be abolished and destroyed.

    What’s more, you may think Israeli actions are very bad, but to compare them to the Holocaust shows an inability to have a mature opinion on Israel.

    I think Arab and Palestinian actions are very bad, but they are nowhere near large scale historical atrocities etc.

  159. Druid says:
    @AaronB

    A zio Jew talking morality. That seems to be a canard among you guys. Discredited Max Boot kept touting his own skewed morality on tv. Haven’t seen him since

  160. @AaronB

    ‘..Back when I identified as white, I did indeed walk around with a sense of guilt and a sense that I am from a civilization that destroys the beauty of traditional cultures and is hostile to poetry, love, and imagination. This is one of the reasons I returned to Judaism.’

    This is a non-sequitur. One cannot change one’s race by adopting a religion.

    In any case, I really feel no guilt about being from the West — none at all. Eighty percent of what mankind has accomplished was done by us. What would music, philosophy, medicine, art, law, architecture, science, theology, law, literature…anything be without us?

    ….whoops, without me. You jumped ship. Nothing to do with you. No sirree.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  161. AaronB says:
    @anon

    You actually bring up an important point.

    Whites don’t feel guilt because of the bad actions of some whites historically. All groups have more than their fair share of bad people.

    Whites, however, developed a culture of moral badness , Darwinism, capitalism, etc., and then attempted to live by it.

    Justifying badness – saying it is the best way to live because it is “efficient” – is what perpetuates the guilt.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  162. @AaronB

    ‘…What’s more, you may think Israeli actions are very bad, but to compare them to the Holocaust shows an inability to have a mature opinion on Israel…’

    Meh. Kristallnacht is almost playful compared to the slaughter Israel has engaged in in just the past year. Prior to the war becoming general — say up to Barbarossa — what was the greatest single atrocity committed by the Nazis? A few hundred dead?

    Compare Sabra and Chantila — and we all know perfectly well what your nation would do to the Palestinians if she ever had the cover of a major war.

    …and ya gotta consider scale. Germany was ten times the size of Israel. Plus, Israel has to keep the good opinion of the US — the mighty mite commits all the war crimes it can get away with.

    It’s a Nazi state. Circumstances prevent her from fully expressing herself — but her heart’s in the right place.

    Isn’t it?

  163. @AaronB

    ‘I object to the Holocaust, but I don’t think the Germans alone are responsible for world war two, or that there is zero virtue or good qualities in the German nation, or that Germany alone must be abolished and destroyed…’

    This is — yawn — a false comparison.

    No one is talking about destroying Jews or Judaism. We’re talking about doing away with Israel, their ideological project, just as the Third Reich was the ideological project of Nazism.

    Want to stay in Palestine? Go right ahead. Of course, you’ll need to grant the vote to all the Palestinians you rule, let them participate fully in the military and police, and allow all the descendants of those you’ve illegally expelled to return.

    Or, you can figure Zionism should be handled about the way Nazism was handled.

    • Replies: @utu
  164. @AaronB

    ‘Why not drip the psychopathy, stop projecting your shadow and accept your negative traits like all humans have, stop seeking Scapegoats, and love yourself without demonizing others?’

    It really does sound like you’re looking in a mirror and talking to yourself, Aaron.

  165. Richard B says:
    @Colin Wright

    Psychoanalysis says, in effect, that patients can change bad habits by a process of mental redirection.

    What happens? The patient keeps indulging in the bad habit.

    Solution?

    More psychoanalysis.

    Or, to put it baldly, more money for the psychoanalyst.

    It’s no different than a tribe of American Indians hundreds of years ago who lived in the now southwestern states of the USA who had elaborate and protracted dance rituals for rain.

    When the rain didn’t come, it never occured to them to attribute this to some meteorlogical effect, etc. No, they’re answer was simply, “We didn’t get the dance right.” So, the solution was more practice.

    The important technical matter regarding psychoanalysis is that it seperates mind from body from the get go.

    It unquesitoningly assumes that “psychical” mechanisms are different from bodily operations and independent of them.

    Psychoanalysis thinks that mental habits can be straightened out by some kind of psychical manipulation without reference to distorted sensations and perceptions which are the result of bad body habits.

    It would be like a nerve physiologists trying to locate a particular diseased cell or local lesion, independent of the whole complex of organic habits, in order to effect a change in the organism.

    By seperating mind from body they seperate means from ends in terms of any “recovery” of the patient.

    The doctor and patient never truly establish a specific goal to bring about a lasting change of behavior and the means to accomplish this goal. That’s why so much time is wasted talking about the past. Or, the patient’s interpretation of their past and the psychoanalysist interpretation of that interpretation.

    In short, it’s a racket, a scam that leaves the patient worse off than before they started.

    The best remedy for the patient is to get as far away from psychoanalysis as possible.

    Sounds like a familiar pattern between Jews and Gentiles in general.

  166. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Its not a racial thing. It’s a culture thing. One can choose to no longer perpetuate a bad culture, and heal oneself.

    • Replies: @Poco
  167. @Colin Wright

    The children, unconsciously trying to meet the equally unconscious desire of the investigators, were literally inventing the most lurid and (these being four-year-olds) fantastic tales of sex abuse.

    Utterly false on all three claims.

    The claims were invented by the “investigators”(should be called criminal fraudsters). The Peter Ellis case is a good example. The detective in charge had sexual relations with several of the “complainants” mothers. The mothers got thousands of dollars from New Zealand taxpayers. The whole thing was an utter disgrace

  168. @ploni almoni

    There is no difference between male circumcision and female genital mutilation.

    This is the stupidest thing that I’ve read on UNZ, and the competition is ferocious.

    Neither I nor my parents are jewish but as the vast majority of parents did in New Zealand my parents had me circumcised as a neonate. This was standard practice in NZ until about mid 1960s and I’m eternally grateful that they did.

    FGM on the other hand is not analogous at all and is utterly indefensible.

    Women vastly prefer circumcised men.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Auyamsar8
    , @Liza
  169. @AaronB

    The European “culture of critique” was not destructive of morality, the Jewish “culture of critique” was deliberately created to destroy morality. That is the big difference. The reason that you don’t see that is that you are under the delusion that Jews are the epitome of morality, and therefore critique of Jews by Europeans is in reality an attack on morality itself, a projection of their own “shadow” on Jews.
    Have you ever wondered whether the Old Testament with its injunctions of genocide, the Talmud with its prescriptions of cheating Goyim, rabbis with their preaching of hatred are really examples of Jewish moral superiority? Why are most big financial frauds committed by Jews, why is Israel a terrorist rogue state if Jews are so moral?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  170. @Wally

    Does the strong Jew tendency towards mental illness…

    What “strong Jew tendency towards mental illness” ?

    The increase of 40%(if real, which it probably isn’t) from almost nothing(~1%) remains almost nothing, it is certainly not a strong tendency towards mental illness.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  171. @AaronB

    ‘…Whites, however, developed a culture of moral badness , Darwinism, capitalism, etc., and then attempted to live by it…’

    This is simply an unconscious admission of ignorance.

    Go away.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  172. utu says:
    @Colin Wright

    “We’re talking about doing away with Israel…” What if you could force all Jews of the world to move there? Wouldn’t it be better to have them there than here? Wasn’t it the original allure of Zionist to gentiles? Even Nazis liked Zionists. Obviously it was false pretense and Hitler saw through it that they never wanted to move there but only wanted to have a sovereign base for their international operations and university for crooks. But why if we could send them there in exchange for several millions of Palestinians? Put all eggs in on basket and watch it.

  173. @AaronB

    “…Half the Bible is Jews doing bad things and being punished by God…”

    And the other half is Jews doing bad things and being rewarded by “God”, such as the genocide of the Canaanites.

  174. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Most Mohammedans are NOT Semites you dolt! No more than 18% to be precise!!

    We come in all races and ethnicities! I am a pacific islander from Fiji now staying in Malaysia. Studied at Northampton in the formerly “great” Britain. The weather was way too gray for my taste and so was the food!!

    Thankfully I left before my boy could start identifying himself as Ann Coulter in the morning and Max Boot by nightfall

  175. @Gilles

    Bonjour Gilles, Le contenu de cet article se trouve, grosso modo, dans plusieurs articles français: Essentiellement “Freud et l’inceste” sur Egalité & Réconciliation”:
    https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Freud-et-l-inceste-une-histoire-juive-51010.html
    Mais aussi, sur la circoncision:
    https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Le-calvaire-des-circoncis-du-huitieme-jour-47267.html
    et sur Kafka:
    https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Kafka-la-judeite-et-le-complexe-d-Isaac-50796.html
    Vous pouvez trouvez sur ce site beaucoup d’autres articles. Presque tout ce que j’écris sur unz.com est une version améliorée de ce que j’ai écrit sur ER, ou dans mon livre Du Yahvisme au Sionisme, disponible en français sur Kontre Kulture (voir aussi peut-être sur Amazon) https://www.kontrekulture.com/produit/du-yahvisme-au-sionisme
    Bien à vous

  176. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems to never fail that those most interested in pushing self-help crap are far more messed up than their audience. I’m reminded of Jordan Peterson and his Apple Cider of Doom, and his camwhore daughter. This is the guy arrogating to the masses that they must wash themselves and clean their rooms?

    What’s funny is, when you understand the hype tricks, you can watch it play out in real time. Jordan Peterson got his fake opposition “feminist protestors”, which hyped his reputation as a politically incorrect rebel, even though he had worked for the UN. Then on YouTube the algorithms direct you to him from totally unrelated topics, funneling you there from any slightly conservative leaning topic. The same happens with any approved kosher podcasts or radio shows. Before long he’s got millions of fans and consults for the Trilateral Commission.

    I think with Freud, Marx, Einstein, etc. they did the exact same thing. Back then more communications were face to face, and personal correspondence gets lost or never revealed. But today everything has an electronic signature, and when the pendulum swings things will not look so good for the manipulators.

  177. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Yes, we are very bad. You innocent Jews should stay as far away from us as possible. You should probably warn your schwarze brothers to stay away too, for their own protection. For that matter, I’m not sure why you ever wanted to live with us in the first place, nor why you encouraged so many innocent brown peoples to move here too. To stay safe, I recommend leaving Europe or North America as quickly as possible.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  178. @ploni almoni

    Pioni Almoni: What is your evidence for the Phoenician origins of Spanish Jewry? That is, what reliable historians have written about this?
    A coincidence of names is no proof. I remember the British Israeli movement “proving” the Jewish origins of Britons by noting the travels of the tribe of Benjamin all the way to Britain via Belgrade etc by noting any city en route with an initial B as evidence.

  179. Patric says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB I think you (deliberately?) confuse the Enlightenment which had a more gentle evolutionary component of gradual change from older beliefs to the more typical Jewish revolutionary destructive and violent hatred of those same beliefs. One system is basically gentle but the other is far from that. This might well relate to the un-imaginable trauma and violence inherent in the rite of circumcision which unfortunately was later adopted in England and the US. Those nations have become very violent also and are addicted to ‘bombing’ helpless targets as a way of foreign policy

    If is convenient for your argument to conflate two very different things which well seems very ‘Jewish’ actually

    • Replies: @AaronB
  180. Alfred says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    As a teenage boy, I had the strange experience of my own mother trying to provoke my sexual lust for her. She was an exceptionally pretty woman. She never worked and looked after herself very well. I found that I was repulsed by her and pretended not to notice her effort. It never happened again. I think she never forgave me. I was not mentioned in her will.

    I have no idea if this happens a lot. My father was always polite and kind to us children. He never punished us.

  181. @AP

    He’s not one of my more important interests (so I’m not following what’s written about him), but – from what I know- would not agree. Perhaps 5-8 years ago I’ve read in Sci Am & Nature something similar, but it was furiously squashed by modern neurologists & brain researchers.

    In psychology proper, you got cognitive psychology & similar, more modern stuff. Skinner is as dated as is Freud, and other approaches (humanist, transpersonal,….) have been relegated to insignificance. They have virtually no therapeutic value & only healthy people with their own, not very big, problems are into them.

    As far as psychiatry goes, great advances in medical technology, pharmacology, brain scanning, genetics,… have rendered most of psychoanalysis & similar talk therapies useless. With schizophrenia, bipolars, various psychos …. the best you can come up with are medications & other “material” therapies.

    Re cultural influence, this age is bathed in sci fi, neural networks, sensors, human biocomputer paradigms, even New Agey appropriation of fundamental physics… so that psychoanalysis, with its old Viennese aura i post-WW 1 artistic flavor, seems hopelessly dated.

    • Replies: @AP
  182. @ploni almoni

    Good informative comment. Indeed, Freud also mentions that his love for Hannibal was shared by all his High school friends (Jewish, most certainly). The connection between Phoenicians and Jews is a historical issue that I sense to be an important one, yet cannot get a good grasp of. Martin Bernal (author of Black Athena) has made the point that Jews appear in history when Phoenicians disapear (Carthage’s destruction, basically, in the 2nd century BC). Maybe Jews are the Phoenicians come back with a vengeance. One interesting point is also that the Latin fathers of the Church, who are in my view responsible for transforming Western christianity into a Levitic institution, are Carthaginians: I am quite convinced that Tertullians was a Jews, for example.

  183. Parfois1 says:
    @The Dark Night

    I mean, a nation cannot claim being of a high moral standard if people are burned at the stake for not following them, can it?

    I suppose you refer to the “auto-da-fe” run by the Inquisition. If so, it might be of interest to read the historical record.

    At the end of the XV century, the Jews in Iberia were to be expelled unless they accepted conversion to Christianity, that is, they were given a choice. Most left but some chose conversion and remain.

    However, many (probably most) of the conversos practised in secret the Jewish rituals, the “conversion” being false. That was their crime, as it would be for any Christian who practised a heresy since the Lateran Council of 1215.

    So, since they agreed to become Christian – hence subject to ecclesiastical rules – the Jews were treated like any other Christians. In other words: they could not have the cake and eat it too, as they are doing it today almost everywhere.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  184. Sigmund Freud’s fame made by B’nai B’rith.

    His Oedipus-complex mostly applies to circumcised Jewish males (8 days old), to young to hate their father!!!

  185. roo_ster says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Many times, one must Fight Fire With Fire.

  186. AP says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    As far as psychiatry goes, great advances in medical technology, pharmacology, brain scanning, genetics,… have rendered most of psychoanalysis & similar talk therapies useless.

    Disagree.

    Here is someone who successfully treated schizophrenics with psychoanalysis (though not of the Freudian kind – it is indebted to Fromm and Irish–American Sullivan) and with no medication. Article is well worth reading, even if author makes some mistakes (dismisses genetic component)*:

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/cc73/d432bc85265422c7be98056482d3f0696fd7.pdf?_ga=2.236670339.306971475.1569935916-2036046784.1569935916

    The problem is it requires considerable time; while it is cheaper in the long-term (10+ years) it is much more expensive in the short-term which is what is relevant for insurance companies.

    They have virtually no therapeutic value & only healthy people with their own, not very big, problems are into them.

    Again, disagree. This may be true, with caveats, for people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (but see above) but is certainly not true of people with disordered personalities (borderline, narcissists, etc.). Medication alone will not cure such people, they are cured within the context of corrective relationships with trained people. Borderline pathology is not minor – it involves people who routinely cut themselves, assault others, etc. Typically these are people who were abused as children (in the case of borderlines) or exploited (narcissists, who are less severely impaired).

    Summary:

    https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-65-2-98.pdf

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  187. Poco says:
    @Colin Wright

    Traditional jewish culture is peaceful doncha know. Ignore the Torah and Talmud upon which it is based.
    Modern jewish culture is peaceful doncha know. Ignore the actions of Israel and the identity of the people trashing our culture. They do it because … gentiles developed the enlightenment.
    This character is just another liar.

  188. Skeptikal says:
    @annamaria

    Right on, Annamaria!
    The need to constantly push back against AaronB’s (and Fran Taubman’s) nonsense is tedious in the extreme, but you have the chops to do it.

  189. @Isabella

    I think your assessment of circumcision is a convenient outlet for your antisemitism, if not anti-theism.

    1. It’s performed on an infant, perhaps to prevent psychological trauma.

    2. It’s health benefits likely outweigh any possible drawbacks.

    3. (And here is the most speculative part) We can argue whether in modern culture is the necessity to exactly replicate the ancient aspect of the priest’s method of “disinfecting the wound,” nonetheless the should be some latitude in that was the original intent and they are merely conforming to tradition.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  190. @AP

    Sorry, I don’t have enough time for new extensive reading. Just one, final, comment: I have 2 friends who are borderlines. They’re incurable (one of them tried to commit suicide twice). Only medication, to some extent, worked. Group therapy & all talk did not do anything.

    True, to be overmedicated is not a solution, too. One of them, a professional painter, found that a combination of medicines & work therapy (drawing, painting,…) was the best for him. I haven’t seen them for some time, but I think it is usual: their lives are alleviated by medication, but- they’re incurable.

    • Replies: @AP
  191. I don’t care for the writer’s unquantified projection of Freud’s client’s psychopathy onto all of Jewry. A cheap shot that sullies an otherwise refreshing article.

  192. Skeptikal says:
    @Capt. Roy Harkness

    I know at least two people who have been psychologically crippled by their extended analyses.
    One of them is Jewish, a person whom I somewhat cared for until his Jewish supremacy complex (he reminded me that the Jews were the “moral conscience” of the Gentile world, which I consider total BS, and also used this viewpoint as a pedestal from which to accuse me of racism!) came out one time too many and I had to break off the friendship.

    Now that you mention it I recall that Masson’s account of his own analysis is a significant element in his book (which I read years ago, when it came out).

    In connection with the appearance of Masson’s book one should also make a point of reading Janet Malcolm’s take-down of it in the New Yorker. The two writers should be read in tandem.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Malcolm

    Actually, I didn’t realize that Malcolm was born in Prague, the daughter of a psychoanalyst.
    That makes her own case even more interesting. She has constantly tried to use “psychologizing” as an entry point to seize the high ground in her narratives of people whom she writes about. In other words, her “insights” automatically make her right by providing putatively irrefutable evidence that is better than other types of evidence. Of course it is all self-serving.

    The Wiki entry ends with this observation:]
    “But in Esquire, Tom Junod characterized Malcolm as “a self hater whose work has managed to speak for the self-hatred (not to mention the class issues) of a profession that has designs on being ‘one of the professions’ but never will be.” Junod found her to be devoid of “journalistic sympathy” and observed, “Very few journalists are more animated by malice than Janet Malcolm.” He concluded that Malcolm is both “self-serving” and “utterly full of shit.”[23]

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  193. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal

    PS.
    In fact, Malcolm could herself be the subject of a significant father complex of some kind in connection with psychoanalysis.

  194. AP says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Just one, final, comment: I have 2 friends who are borderlines. They’re incurable (one of them tried to commit suicide twice)

    Those are precisely the ones who benefit most from competent psychodynamic therapy, which shows stable reduction in suicide attempt etc.

    https://www.borderlinedisorders.com/borderline-personality-disorder-TFP-research.php

  195. Poco says:
    @annamaria

    But their traditional culture is so peaceful. Haven’t you read the Torah and Talmud. That peaceful culture was destroyed by the Gentile European Enlightenment. This Aaron fellow is awful.

  196. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    And you adopted jewish culture to heal yourself and stop perpetuating a bad culture?
    BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You’re a real card.

    Or seriously mentally ill.

  197. Dutch Boy says:

    There is a simpler explanation for the neuroses of Freud’s female patients. Many of them were caring for their syphilitic fathers (syphilis was rampant in 19th century Vienna). The commonest treatment for the lesions of syphilis at that time was dressings containing mercury (some practitioners actually injected mercury into their patients!). These unfortunate women were actually exhibiting symptoms of mercury toxicity which Freud misinterpreted as neuroses secondary to sexual abuse. Symptoms of chronic mercury toxicity include:
    irritability
    anxiety/nervousness, often with difficulty in breathing
    restlessness
    exaggerated response to stimulation
    fearfulness
    emotional instability
    -lack of self control
    -fits of anger, with violent, irrational behavior
    loss of self confidence
    indecision
    shyness or timidity, being easily embarrassed.

  198. Liza says:

    Alfred commented,

    rate of neuroses and character disorders among Jews was about three times as high as among Catholics and Protestants

    Plenty of other peoples of the Middle East, including Christians, circumcise their baby boys but they don’t seem to suffer from the neurosis referred to at the end of this article.

    That’s because nonjews don’t do this on the 8th day. Something naturally happens in the brain on the 8th day, a major shift of some sort, which when interrupted by the pain and blood loss of genital cutting, changes the brain, producing an unusual, unique mentality.

    These are the ideas of one Roger Dommergue. I read this years ago, maybe not even on the internet but possibly in an article in a health magazine (I think). But here is what I see on the internet now:

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/09/Circumcision-Explains-Jewish-Psyche.html

    I have no idea if Dommergue’s ideas are accurate or not. They have never been studied – and I doubt that they ever will be. All this stuff about circumcision merely being an identification mark or a means of controlling sexuality may be a deflection, IMO.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  199. annamaria says:
    @AP

    Solms speaks about emotions:

    His [Solms] insights also helped in his clinical practice. Because he thought about the emotions that must lie behind the patients’ fantasies, he could explain their odd behavior to families and talk to his patients in ways that would calm them down. Explaining patients’ bizarre delusions to them as emotional fantasies — you wish life were this way because you are frightened — could often lift their confusion.

    There is an abyss between affective neuroscience and the fantasizing Freud (people have been fantasizing for millennia).

    Freud was a fraud similar to why Lyssenko was a fraud, notwithstanding the current research in epigenetics. Where is Freud’s data? Where was his professional ethics?

  200. Auyamsar8 says:
    @Poupon Marx

    “This rubbish belongs in the alley dumpster along with Climate Change, White Privilege, Systemic Racism, Diversity Is Our Strength, and many other isolated-from-Reality tropes for dopes.”

    “Circumcision is good for you” and “Circumcision must never be compared to FGM” are literally those though. They’re all Jewish constructs. Why are those ones laughable but what has been for millenia an alien, afro-semitic blood ritual sane? Because it was done to you and acknowledging it requires you to admit you were harmed and lost something?

    https://www.jweekly.com/2013/01/04/circumcision-is-not-only-jewish-its-good-for-you/

    This was one of America’s leading circumcision proponents for years (along with many other Jews.) You’d laugh at something like “Mass immigration is not only Jewish, it’s good for you” but this one is self-evident?

    Why do you think Jews achieved such eminence in American society? Maybe it had something to do with the normalization of their blood ritual on the majority of American men for generations? You can’t even criticize it on those grounds?

    “Face it, scientifically and factually, it is no more than piercing ear lobes of infant girls in the Catholic tradition, like all of my nieces. They are not traumatized in the least. There is no data, no systemic effect of negative behavior traits (it has to be observable to be considered worthy) of circumcision.”

    Well, maybe you should take a look at these Turkish boys and bare in mind this happens across the Muslim world but gets no attention whatsoever in contrast to “FGM”, a Jewish feminist narrative: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4650152/Turkish-boys-circumcised-no-anaesthetic.html

    And this huge gallery of horrifically mutilated penises in just one part of South Africa from a circumcision ritual called “Ulwaluko:” https://ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html

    And maybe just photographic evidence of what happens when you remove a soft, moist, tactile thing from the penis (there’s a lot out there): http://www.circumcisionharm.org/gallery%20intact.htm

    Also correct me if I’m wrong but don’t ear piercings just make a hole in the ears that heals up? How is that comparable to permanently removing part of the genitals?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Skeptikal
  201. Auyamsar8 says:
    @acementhead

    “This is the stupidest thing that I’ve read on UNZ, and the competition is ferocious.”

    Well of course it is. Going on half a century now the world’s media outlets, backed by the UN, have been promoting a narrative that amounts to “female genital mutilation is always, always a horrible, crippling atrocity that removes the ENTIRE clitoris, which is the EXACT, 100% analogous structure to the penis, and this happens all across Africa and the Muslim world, and nothing like this EVER happens to boys.” So someone saying otherwise is on par with drawing Mohammed for a Muslim. I’ve seen it all the time. It’s incredible how much that narrative resonates with people and how insane they get when you question it.

    Too bad it’s a monstrous lie created by the same people (radical feminists) who think all sex is rape: https://ulwaluko.co.za/Photos.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa
    http://www.circumstitions.com/yemen.html

    Funny you mention NZ- did you know circumcision basically died after the 70’s and barely any NZ boys have been circumcised neonatally since then?

    http://www.circumstitions.com/NZ.html

    If women vastly prefer circumcised men then why have women been able to survive in your country for 40 years without the men having scarred penises? Or most of the rest of the world’s women, since this is overwhelmingly an African/Islamic practice?

    You’re an insecure, profoundly illiterate boomer.

  202. AaronB says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The Enlightenment was an attack on God, spirituality, tradition, faith, and morality.

    It was an attempt to see the world in rational terms solely. It was inspired by Greece.

    Capitalism, Darwinism, and similar ideologies which have no room for morality, were formulated shortly thereafter.

    Judaism made moral concern the pivot and center of life, and were the source for the three great religious traditions of the West.

    The critical method elaborated in the Talmud – the Jewish culture of critique – is for the purpose of explaining morality and tradition and operates within very narrow limits set by tradition and faith. It is the exact opposite of the Enlightenment. It is a form of medieval scholastism.

    It used to be a a European boast that only they had developed to the point where they questioned traditional faith and morality, while Jews remained stuck within the narrow bounds of tradition.

    The attack on “morality” you ascribe to modern Jews is an Enlightenment attack on traditional morality in favor of modern values that derive from the Enlightenment.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  203. AaronB says:
    @Patric

    My friend, the Enlightenment was an explosive revolutionary movement. Shortly after, it inspired the French Revolution, which enshrined goddess Reason and led to widespread terror.

    The French Revolution was an attempt to destroy all tradition and faith.

    The American Revolution was also inspired by it.

    Revolutions may be sudden and explosive, but they often take time to fully develop their implications. The past few hundred years have been the Enlightenment gradually unfolding its implications, now faster, now slower.

  204. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Someone has a guilty conscience, it seems to me.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Colin Wright
  205. Liza says:
    @acementhead

    Women vastly prefer circumcised men.

    Such women have shit for brains, then.

    In certain parts of the world, men won’t have anything to do with un-cut women, regardless of the degree of the denaturing.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @acementhead
  206. @Parfois1

    You are missing the point comrade.

    Yes the Jews who then converted were treated like all other Christians and I understand that though cannot see a crime in practicing Jewish “rituals”, whatever that means. Let alone a crime that should be punished in the most brutal fashion possible.

    The point is that Christian culture was not a culture of great moral, because moral was enforced and imposed on people and was not their own choice. And now, since there is no more Church burning them at the stake people are indulging their inclinations.

    The second point implied here is that blaming the Jews is plain stupid.

  207. @Colin Wright

    Yes there are some minor groups like Yemeni Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Parsi Jews and Iraqi Jews who are not Europeans. But the rest of the Jews are. You know, the Jews had been Europeans long before most Europeans knew what their nations were. And the Jews share much more than text: the Weltanschauung, and the language.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  208. @utu

    Nice.

    This is a good point I can make now: the Jews do not murder heretics. Jacob Frank became a Catholic in order to infiltrate the Church and corrupt it from the inside. He wasn’t afraid of the Jews. He hated them.

    Baruch Spinoza was considered a heretic and was excommunicated: this is as much as the Jews can do to a heretic. Herem.

  209. @AaronB

    They limit themselves to working through the legal system and utilizing pre-existing trends in American society

    In effect, Aaron, what Jews do as per legislation is worse than threaten or perpetrate physical violence, since it codifies the illegality of dissent against zionist endeavor, giving it the imprimatur of authority. The same cannot be said of ephemeral, physical attacks. Moreover, the number of “Muslim” extremists who have attacked cartoonists is proportionately infinitesimal to the number of Jews actively engaged in the criminalization of speech challenging to their agenda.

    As for “freedom of speech” in Israel, it’s just another element of its Potemkin facade, one which Israel must maintain in order to keep up appearances for the goyim:

    https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/speech_in_israel_is_not_free.php

    An Israeli journalist reported in an op-ed in the International Herald Tribune this month that another Israeli journalist and ex-soldier had been sentenced to four and a half years in jail for blowing the whistle on potential Israeli war crimes. This was after the whistleblower was confined to house arrest for two years. Another reporter for Ha’aretz, who received the leaked documents from the ex-soldier, may face criminal charges, despite having received approval from his military censor to publish a related report.

    Fact is, Israel receives more direct and indirect financial, materiel, and political assistance from America than anyone else in the world several times over. Its Arab neighbors are paid off in accordance with their agreement to keep peace with it, which means that this expense is also a consequence of American support for Israel.

    And you want to compare the Muslim world’s effort to suppress speech in America and Europe with that of the Jews? Seriously?

    You’re going to have to do better than transparent tu quoque fallacies that are utterly irrelevant to the contemporary political landscape in the west.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  210. @Auyamsar8

    Fallacious arguments. Unrepresentative and emotive photographs from the Third World. Not germane, intellectually dishonest and lacking integrity or reason or measure.

    This is not worth responding to. I argue concrete facts and outcomes, not “soft secretions in the sky”, like your void and null posting.

    In the end, you offer no science, no data-as I have done-but this is Jewish and that’s the only reason people do it.

    You are pitiable and wretch.

    • Replies: @Auyamsar8
  211. @Liza

    This is not a cogent argument. You may be incapable of logic thinking. “In some parts of the world….”. Lashes and ashes for you.

    • Replies: @Liza
  212. @Kolya Krassotkin

    I’ve already given a lot of citations, scientific research. But just for you, here is a compilation. If you have doubts, then chase down the references and come back with a methodological criticism base on the inductive reasoning or evidence. Otherwise do not waste my time or that of others.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

  213. Liza says:
    @Poupon Marx

    @Poupon. It’s plenty cogent if you consider that all human beings function best with all their body parts intact. Whole-ness of the body sets the standard.

    Yes, you can play piano with a finger missing (or even an entire hand gone!) or hear with one ear missing, or see with only one eye or walk with only one foot, etc. – but no one should pretend that it’s ideal regardless of how or why the body part came to be lost.

    Millions of men may be missing a part of their sex organ and then they spend the rest of their life saying they are better off for not having it. I think it’s called “making a virtue of necessity”. Have it your way if you wish. I am not going to make enemies.

    Lashes and ashes, huh.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  214. @Liza

    Look, I’m sure you are a nice person. And I don’t want to hurt your feelings. But I have posted EXHAUSTIVE comments containing scientific research, surveys and more. I am tired of this.

    Your analogies are deeply flawed, your metaphors are a universe apart. Your reportage is vague and unquantifiable. Just go on believing what you want, like a Helen Keller imagining the world.

    I don’t care. Your currency is like Venezuelan Bolivars to my Swiss Francs. Yeah Yeah, Climate Change is real, too. And also Gun Control reduces violent homicide.

    Most women, in a respected survey, prefer the circumcised penis. But beauty is in the beholder. And some women prefer ugly sticks.

    Good night.

  215. @Poupon Marx

    Wikipedia is not a reliable authoritative source.

    You made a claim about the benefits for the removal of a healthy body part. Now, respectfully, support your claim with data, please.

    As were most gentiles my age I was circumcised as a neonate, and I do not bewail that I underwent the procedure. It was what it was, and I have more important things to concern myself. But now being older, I regard the involuntary removal of any healthy body part of an infant, for dubious reasons and of questionable worth, as barbaric and immoral.

    It is claimed that circumcision reduces the risk of penile cancer, but the incidence of that is low compared to the incidence of breast cancer, and I hear no one advocating prophylactic mastectomies for female newborns. As to hygiene there is always soap and water.

    (Of course, there is good money to be made selling foreskin fibroblasts and a drop in circumcision will reduce the trade in those.)

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Liza
    , @Skeptikal
  216. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Fact is, Israel receives more direct and indirect financial, materiel, and political assistance from America than anyone else in the world several times over.

    This is absurd.

    America fought wars for the safety of Europe and Asia, with hundreds of thousands of men killed, and astronomical sums pent. America also fought wars for the safety of Kuwait, at vast cost and with loss of American life.

    For the past 70 years America has kept garrisons in Europe and Asia, at vast expenditure and risk of American life, and continues to do do.

    This utterly, utterly dwarfs American aid to Israel which began in the 1980s and involves no American troops – the money which, must be spent purchasing American military goods, so gets funnelled directly back into the American economy.

    Again, it can only be the guilt of Europeans at growing fat and wealthy under American protection, after Americans died in the hundreds of thousands to restore order on the continent, that led to the creation of this absurd charge that the miniscule aid Israel receives comparatively is the largest.

    I am sorry to see you parrot such absurdity.

    Its Arab neighbors are paid off in accordance with their agreement to keep peace with it,

    Arab countries keep the peace because they have no wish to be destroyed in war again. The weak kid doesn’t need to be bribed to not pick a fight with the high school boxing champion.

    In effect, Aaron, what Jews do as per legislation is worse than threaten or perpetrate physical violence, since it codifies the illegality of dissent against zionist endeavor, giving it the imprimatur of authority.

    I thought we both agreed that neither Muslims nor Jews – or most of the world – value unlimited free speech, but that it is incumbent upon both of us to follow the laws of the countries we live in.

    Jews seem to be doing do, whereas Muslims seem to resort to violence and intimidation.

    And again, it’s false to portray this as a Jewish led effort – if cultural trends in America begin to favor criminalizing intolerance, as the internal logic of the Enlightenment takes its next step, its natural for Jews to seek to benefit from this – a smart and alert community will seek ways to benefit from any emerging trend, if possible.

    But this is not a case of Jews imposing their values on Americans through coercion, but rather an attempt to ride an already existing wave.

    Muslims, however, tried to coerce the majority of the countries of the West to abide by Sharia norms with respect to depictions of Muhammad – there was no riding the wave or trying to benefit from already existing trends. There was intimidation.

    And, my friend, quite aside from the immorality of this, it is ham fisted and stupid. The Muslim community takes a harsher line on free speech, and Muslim culture in general is far stricter on it, but lack the political power of the Jewish community. But the idea that Muslims are more accepting of free speech than Jews is absurd.

    Finally, there simply is no comparison between free speech in Israel and the Muslim world. Anecdotal reports of isolated abuses in Israel cannot be compared to the systematic repression of dissent in the Muslim world.

  217. @AaronB

    “…The Enlightenment was an attack on God, spirituality, tradition, faith, and morality…”

    As far as I understand it, it was partly a reaction to religious fanaticism as displayed in the 30 Years War which killed an estimated 20% of Europe’s population. Thus “reason” seemed far more attractive than “faith”.

    “…Judaism made moral concern the pivot and center of life…”

    That is indeed the established opinion Jews have about their religion, but how “moral” are the Torah, the Talmud and other Jewish scriptures really ? The Torah is full of immorality, as is the Talmud. For immorality in the Talmud, see : Dilling : V. Talmudic Immorality, Asinity and Pornography.

    “…The critical method elaborated in the Talmud – the Jewish culture of critique – is for the purpose of explaining morality and tradition and operates within very narrow limits set by tradition and faith…”

    Much of it is legalistic hair-spliiting (“pilpul”) by which anything can be proved or disproved.

    “…The attack on “morality” you ascribe to modern Jews is an Enlightenment attack on traditional morality in favor of modern values that derive from the Enlightenment…”

    Jewish attack on morality is aimed at weakening the Goyim, so as to lessen the danger of “anti-Semitism”.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  218. @AaronB

    “…This utterly, utterly dwarfs American aid to Israel which began in the 1980s and involves no American troops – the money which, must be spent purchasing American military goods, so gets funnelled directly back into the American economy…”

    Israel “buys” weapons from America with money it gets from that same America. This amounts to it getting weapons for free. America doesn’t profit from this arrangement at all.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @AaronB
  219. Skeptikal says:
    @Auyamsar8

    So far I don’t think I have seen mention on this thread of the fact, so I hear, that circumcision reduces the sensitivity of the penis and thus reduces pleasure.

    Could this be one reason Jewish males often have to go to such lengths to experience sexual pleasure and release? Like, finding someone like “the Monkey” in Portnoy’s Complaint who assumes weird postures (supposedly that is why he called her the Monkey—not, oh no no no! because she was a shiksa that he was exploiting to get it off).

    Or could this difficulty of attaining pleasure explain the obsession with shiksas? Because they stimulate the Jewish male’s imagination and lust more powerfully? So they help him get over his sexual insensitivity hurdle?

    Maybe these boychiks just have a hard time getting aroused sufficiently and orgasm.

    That would explain a lot . . .

    • Replies: @Auyamsar8
  220. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Look, you are wasting your energy on nothing. Wikipedia is a compendium, not an original source. It lists the sources in this article. Why don’t you overcome your lassitude and sloth and check these sources out??? Huh?

    The rest of your post is incoherent and atomized excreta. Good Night.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  221. Auyamsar8 says:
    @Poupon Marx

    “Fallacious arguments. Unrepresentative and emotive photographs from the Third World. Not germane, intellectually dishonest and lacking integrity or reason or measure.”

    That is exactly what feminists, journalists, the United Nations etc. have done with “female genital mutilation” for decades now and a central reason why you think it’s absolutely, totally incomparable to “circumcision”. Take the most extreme, brutal and least common forms of FGM found only in certain parts of Africa; endlessly present these as the norm/universal; claim things that have never actually been documented (complete removal of the clitoris, an extensive internal organ); act like these atrocities never happen to males; rinse, repeat. For going on half a century now, until people are incredulous this narrative could be in the least bit fallacious.

    Of course they’ll also, at the same time, admit to variation- if you look at WHO definitions they have 4 broad types of FGM divided into many different subtypes, ranging from ritual pricking that doesn’t even draw blood* all the way up to infibulation. But their rhetoric is always “this must never be compared to circumcision/male genital mutilation doesn’t exist.” Because it’s a radical feminist fraud legitimized by the most cancerous globalist organ on the planet and shamelessly used by Jews to legitimize and promote their form of genital mutilation.

    If this narrative never took off, Jewish power and control wouldn’t be as strong as it is now. “FGM must never be compared to circumcision” has served to profoundly trivialize and delegitimize all criticism of Jewish genital mutilation. Now it’s become something of a religious dogma, the unique, incomparable evil of FGM and the incomparability of it to male circumcision/the denial of MGM, and “circumcision” is fanatically promoted as an AIDS preventative (this link also the product of Jewish researchers: http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Aaron_J._Fink) in third world nations where there’s basically a drive to essentially universalize the practice across Africa (https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-developed-circumcision-device-to-be-distributed-in-africa/).

    The fact you repeatedly use terms like “ZOG” yet sit here repeatedly defending Jewish male genital mutilation says it all. There’s probably nothing that will ever convince you and you’ll never be free of their brainwashing. Jews have truly done a number to the psyche of white Americans.

    *A common form along with clitoral hood removal in Muslim southeast asia, where it’s regularly done in clinics and hospitals by trained medical professionals on infant girls, including removal of the clitoral hood, the female analogue to the foreskin- but the UN still sees these as totally incomparable: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/magazine/20circumcision-t.html

    “Any distinction between injuring the clitoris or the clitoral hood is irrelevant, says Laura Guarenti, an obstetrician and WHO’s medical officer for child and maternal health in Jakarta. “The fact is there is absolutely no medical value in circumcising girls,” she says. “It is 100 percent the wrong thing to be doing.” The circumcision of boys, she adds, has demonstrated health benefits, namely reduced risk of infection and some protection against H.I.V.”

    Translation: “Every part of a girl’s vagina is essential and important. Boys just have a completely, utterly useless part that can be removed for whatever reason. But really it’s because if we spoke out against male circumcision and at all recognized the plight of boys in these third world countries, Jews, and feminists (massive overlap between these two)- our handlers- would come screaming.”

  222. Skeptikal says:
    @AaronB

    Nice try to use superiority treatment a la psychoanalysis (IOW, “I know more about you than you do yourself!”).
    B— s—.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  223. Liza says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    As to hygiene there is always soap and water.

    Water only. Doctors in the know say that using soap on the glans promotes loss of beneficial bacteria, which would lead to various chronic problems [which are then “solved” by…circumcision]. Here’s an excerpt from an article I found:

    The Problem with Soap and the Intact Penis

    By Sam Carnes, MS CMD

    The biggest risk to an intact male is the ignorance about the foreskin and its proper care. Contrary to popular belief, the intact penis is not difficult to care for and keep clean. In fact, it is the all-too-frequent overzealous attempts to clean that cause the issues. The best and most accurate advice that all should follow is to leave it alone, never retract an infant or child, and never use soap under the foreskin. Only the boy himself should retract his foreskin when he is naturally ready.

    Thank you, Kolya, for being on the right side in this matter and speaking out.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  224. Auyamsar8 says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Just a couple of things I wanted to say about this, but the circumcision article (and virtually all articles relating to circumcision) on Wikipedia- for years- was dominated by a childless British homosexual with no medical background by the name of Jake Waskett, who used to frequent discussion boards relating to circumcision fetishism: http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Jake_Waskett

    He has also co-published various articles promoting circumcision with this man- who is, without any exaggeration, a sadistic gay pedophile with a circumcision fetish- and is also the single greatest promoter of circumcision in modern times:

    http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Brian_J._Morris
    http://www.circumstitions.com/morris.html

    You’ll notice these men are both Anglos. There has been no race of people on Earth as astonishingly philo-semitic as the Anglo-Saxon, who own the distinction of being the only European people in all of Western history to normalize circumcision independent of Islamic conquest.

    So no, Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source (neither is WebMD, or any American medical organization or anything tied to the UN.)

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  225. Skeptikal says:
    @AaronB

    “For the past 70 years America has kept garrisons in Europe and Asia, at vast expenditure”

    Yep, the biggest and most expensive of those garrisons is Camp Israel.

  226. AaronB says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well, the American arms industry benefits. And America taxes them, so some of that money goes back to the government. And the industry is a crucial part of American defense, do subsidies towards it are good.

    So even though obviously the primary beneficiary is Israel financially, it is done in a way that diverts maximum benefits back to America. This is not the case in Europe or Asia, where actual American lives have been on the line for decades.

    Ultimately, America developed a close relationship with Israel after the 1967 victory, because it was seen as useful.in the Cold War.

    Like all of America’s network of alliances and beneficiaries, some perceived American political interests are at stake.

    China, for instance, was almost entirely built up by American investment banks, without which it would never gave developed. In a sense, Goldman Sachs created modern China.

    This was done out of perceived American interests. The calculations now, of course, are changing.

  227. Skeptikal says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    “Wikipedia is not a reliable authoritative source.”

    Ya dah ya dah.

    Which parts of the wiki entry on circumcision do you find to be incorrect?

    Everything must be read critically of course.

    But Wikipedia is very often a good place to start.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  228. AaronB says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Jewish attack on morality is aimed at weakening the Goyim, so as to lessen the danger of “anti-Semitism”

    .

    Even if you make that argument, it is using the arguments, concepts, and ideas developed and honed to perfection by gentile Enlightenment thinkers, and to some extent the Romantic reaction.

    To claim that the sources for this subversion lie deep within Jewish tradition and culture going back thousands of years is absurd. There is no precedent in Jewish culture or religion for attacks on traditional morality and faith – however, there is ample precedent in white European culture.

    Attacks on traditional morality and faith by white gentile writers were the main cultural movements of the 19th century onwards. Attacks on European culture and civilization likewise. The Enlightenment, in the 18th century, was obviously an explosive attack on the foundations of European culture.

    If, after all this, ethnic Jews who abandoned Judaism got leadership positions in the 20th century that contributed these cultural trends, it is absurd to claim the entire cultural movement was created by Judaism.

  229. Auyamsar8 says:
    @Skeptikal

    I have variously heard and the gotten the impression Jewish circumcisions are actually less invasive and less prone to complications than typical neonatal “medical” ones. Much of this is because mohels are often very well trained (I use this pretty loosely in the context of cutting off parts of baby’s penises) and use more free hand tools that allow the circumcision to be done very quickly. Some mohels can apparently do it in as little as 15 seconds. This is in sharp contrast to non-religious neonatal circumcisions where they’re done with devices that take much longer and of course the personnel are more poorly trained- it’s not unheard of for new medical students to practice on live infants. Then factor in how they didn’t start to regularly use anesthesia until barely 20 years ago, and often still don’t. Doctors are under no legal obligation whatsoever to use it or administer it properly. No guarantee it works in every case either.

    Oh, and don’t forget how Jews wait 8 days. Very common for non-Jewish infants to have it done within the first 24 hours of birth.

    The speed and lesser trauma of Brit Milah also perhaps biases people to thinking the procedure is commonly like this. Given how they’re often public affairs and how quickly and efficiently they’re done, it really can seem like “just a little snip.”

    • Replies: @Liza
  230. @Auyamsar8

    Gott im Himmel. What an under sack response. A needless bit of historical nothingness and a worthless opinions that screams of needless parsing.

    I am so tired. Wikepidia is a COMPENDIUM, A COLLECTION of sources, you DOLT. If you cannot evaluate research and studies based on methodology and sampling and integrity, than kindly watch the squirrels on the front porch.

    Do you know ANYTHING about statistics, STEM disciplines or what constitutes empirical demonstration?

  231. annamaria says:
    @AaronB

    “…you may think Israeli actions are very bad, but to compare them to the Holocaust shows an inability to have a mature opinion on Israel.”

    — It is rather your opinion that sounds immature.
    The facts, such as the atrocious deeds of Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia and Jewish self-proclaimed terrorists in Palestine, do not agree with your white-washing of Israelis’ crimes. Besides, why the ADL and such are so militantly (and hysterically) against research in WWII and the Bolshevik revolution? This vicious persecution of freedom of information by the zionists is the real assault on western values.

    Enough already of Elie Wiesel’s opinions: “some things are true that never happened and other things that happened are not true.” https://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/elie-admits-his-true-stories-never-happened/

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  232. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    The last 1oo years of the Zion Age of Faith is many times worst than what you have written here.

    Your sayings are folklore and not something talked about or studied by people at the Top of society at that time.We had thousands of burning at stakes in the last hundred years.

    WWII over 135 German cities were targeted, most Japanese cities, many French and Italian too. The ZUS even created German towns in the US to practice bombing to burn infants in cribs in German cities.

    ZUS after the war, bombed North Korea so badly that nothing practically was standing up.Vietnam and South East Asia was bombed with naplam. Naplam is still effecting millions today in South East Asia.

    Depleted Uranium bombs have been used for over 20 years for ZUS attacks on Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. This poisons soils for generations.

    1991 Purim – Highway of Death- thousands of surrendering Iraqi soldiers burned alive from ZUS bombs from ZUS air raids on them. This is the day the war “ended” and how it “ended”.

    This how ZUS “fights” holy wars for Eretz Israel and its FED, burning at the stake with fire bombs just like the Middle Ages but on a gigantic barbaric scale.
    .

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  233. @Liza

    Yeah, Liza, your alternative universe (one of many I am sure) will get you through life. Who needs data and empirical observation? You are obviously not a public health worker, but a pubic health fictionaro.

    Why wash dishes, Liza? Or wash your clothes? Those socks, after a round or two of tennis on a 100 deg day? Why that is pure perfume! And it’s Natcherull. The same goes for female vaginas. Just tell your next paramour before amorous relations that you never wash the nethers. Let us know the results of such revelation. We await eagerly to hear whether he knocked over any furniture whilst bolting for the exit.

    Just because dogs eat poop, does not mean we have to follow. I think of you and those like you as the Walking Brain Dead.

  234. @annamaria

    I have not found even a speckle to disagree with you. But it is your bases of your opinions-backed up and supported-that create credibility. You are obviously a learned person.

    The weak-minded, bought off, and flotsam/jetsam (not sures) of today’s humanity are like a foul tide.

  235. @AaronB

    /America fought wars …/

    Can’t help yourself with the compulsion to deflect, can you?

    I wrote about what Israel receives in terms of American financial, materiel, political assistance and you jerk your knee with more irrelevancies about the wars to which America was dragged, as if this has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

    /this absurd charge that the miniscule aid Israel receives comparatively is the largest/

    How shocking that a zionist would speak thusly:

    https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html

    Yet, Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation. The US has, in fact, given more aid to Israel than it has to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined—which have a total population of over a billion people.[5]

    /Arab countries keep the peace because they have no wish to be destroyed in war again/

    Well, that’s also true, which doesn’t mean they don’t consider the generous compensation for avoiding war.

    America’s zionist-led ultimatum against these countries is explicit: keep the peace with Israel or else. Saddam and Qaddafi are textbook examples of what happens to Arab leaders who won’t toe the zionist line.

    /I thought we both agreed …/

    Projecting your thoughts appears to be one of your favorite pastimes here. It probably amuses you, but these things often have a funny way of turning against you, particularly when they’re so transparent.

    /Jews seem to be doing do/

    Jews exploit law in order to advance the zionist agenda; hence, laws criminalizing historical revisionism in Europe and laws seeking to chill freedom of expression in America.

    /it’s false to portray this as a Jewish led effort/

    More nonsense.

    Jews are unequivocally at the forefront of the effort to criminalize the BDS movement. They are doubtlessly at the forefront of legislation making historical revisionism a criminal offense in Europe. And, unquestionably, they are at the forefront of the effort to redefine “anti-Semitism” in such a way as to make legitimate criticism of Israel a criminal offense.

    /But this is not a case of Jews imposing their values on Americans through coercion, but rather an attempt to ride an already existing wave./

    Every party riding that wave — including Muslims — is led by Jews, and there is no endeavor spearheaded among any other interest group that is comparable in scope and degree either to the anti-BDS effort or the effort to maintain criminal laws against historical revisionism in Europe.

    None.

    /Muslims, however …/

    Stick to the subject, Aaron.

    We’re discussing Jewish efforts to criminalize speech in America and Europe. What a handful of Arab extremists has done here and there pales in comparison to the juggernaut of Jewish power barreling down on the foundation stones of civil society in the west.

    If you want to discuss what Islam — rather than millennial world Muslims — actually says about liberty, that’s a different topic for another venue. Here, however, we’re discussing the corruption Jews are perpetrating as we speak.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  236. Liza says:
    @Auyamsar8

    The speed and lesser trauma of Brit Milah also perhaps biases people to thinking the procedure is commonly like this. Given how they’re often public affairs and how quickly and efficiently they’re done, it really can seem like “just a little snip.

    The “lesser trauma” argument is based on the idea that a surgery hurts like hell only for the period when the knife is in contact with flesh.

    Supposed your finger tip gets sliced off right thru the nail, quickly, in an accident. When does the suffering stop? You will be given pain killers for as long as necessary. Babies don’t get this when an equally sensitive body part is cut off. How many times does a newborn piss per day? Imagine that hot acidic liquid contacting the newly skinned glans, day in an day out in what seems forever to an infant who can’t understand what’s going on.

    A just-circumcised baby penis looks like raw bloody liver, but Mom ‘n’ Dad don’t think twice about it. Morons, all of them. Fkg morons. We have the English to thank for the nonreligious version of this sick practice, starting with the “royal” family.

    • Replies: @Auyamsar8
  237. @AaronB

    I remember Franklin Ryckaert from the Darkmoon site where he used to hang out. He is of that ilk that is not going to listen to reasoning. He is I must admit not the dumbest of them but making effort to change his opinion through reason and sharing knowledge is not going to work. Trust me.

    I debunked a bunch of fake quotes these people think are from the Talmud in front of him and he keeps on repeating them. You are wasting time in vain.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  238. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    wrote about what Israel receives in terms of American financial, materiel, political assistance and you jerk your knee with more irrelevancies about the wars to which America was dragged, as if this has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

    So you don’t think the price America paid in blood for Europe and Asia should be part of the total assessment of who America helps the most?

    Ok.

    Plus, that was only part of my point. America keeps large garrisons in these places at vast expense and risks the lives of its soldiers for Europe and Asia.

    Today.

    As to the topic of free speech in America. I disagree with you about the severity and influence of Jews in this movement.

    I see it as primarily a classic Enlightenment development that some Jews are bandwaggoning on to benefit Jewish causes. And I think they are wrong to do do.

    I think Muslims would be much worse if they had similar power, and that Muslim violence on this reflects a much harsher mindset.

    Honestly, I am only mentioning Muslims because you made the explicit comparison – I would be perfectly happy to limit the discussion entire to Jewish behavior on this.

    Since you felt compelled to make an explicit comparison to Muslims here, I can only view as a case of guilty conscience – everyone knows this area is one Muslims are particularly weak on, yet you chose precisely this to draw a comparison with Jews.

    Its that weird projection again.

    But I’m happy to leave Muslims out of this and focus only in Jewish bad behavior here.

    And on that, I have made my position clear.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  239. @Robjil

    Strange line of reasoning.

    The Jews do not run and own the US which is a satanic state. The Freemasons do. There has not been one Jewish president in the US. The national personification of the US is Uncle Sam who is no one else but Satan in disguise and somehow the Jews are to blame for what the US does?

    You might be surprised to know that Uncle Sam stands for Angel Samael. The US is the Promised Land for satanic cults of all kinds. The Freemasons who run it are all Satanists. And of course some Jews are among them but most of them are not Jews.

    The folklore that I quoted was not studied “at the top” but was created there. For those who were at the bottom. And the Jews were at the bottom too. The Jews had to exist in that atmosphere of hate for centuries. So now it is kind of stupid to expect them to be grateful for that.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  240. AaronB says:
    @The Dark Night

    Thanks for the warning.

    That describes most commenters here. No one here is open to reason.

    Rather, you use points raised by irrational commenters in order to write for the invisible audience – the 99% of visitors to this site who don’t comment.

    From that point of view, even the stupidest, most irrational commenter here may serve a useful purpose. Evil gets turned to good despite itself.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
    , @annamaria
  241. @The Dark Night

    If you were to find the glasses, which is forever forbidden for you upon pain of becoming nothing, you would see that Jews are as alien to any other people on earth as Martians, no matter the disguise. In the meantime listen to Maurice Samuel, Weizmann’s Ghost Writer and anti-Semitic provocateur when he says, in “You Gentiles”: “We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you do will meet our needs and demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build. Beyond all temporary alliances with this or that faction lies the ultimate split in nature and destiny, the enmity between the Game and God. But those of us who fail to understand that truth will always be found in alliance with your rebellious factions, until disillusionment comes. The wretched fate which scattered us through your midst has thrust this unwelcome rôle upon us.”

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @The Dark Night
  242. @Anonymous

    ‘Yes, we are very bad. You innocent Jews should stay as far away from us as possible. You should probably warn your schwarze brothers to stay away too, for their own protection. For that matter, I’m not sure why you ever wanted to live with us in the first place, nor why you encouraged so many innocent brown peoples to move here too…

    Well, actually, Jews were pretty much on Team Islam until about 1700 — when it became obvious Christendom was pulling ahead.

    Then they — Aaron’s latest convolution not withstanding — decided they were our best buddies. ‘Judeo-Christian’ heritage and all that. Them and us — standing four-square against those nasty Muslims.

    Go figure.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @PorkTastic
  243. @AaronB

    ‘Someone has a guilty conscience, it seems to me.’

    God that’s lame.

  244. Auyamsar8 says:
    @Liza

    [Too much off-topic circumcision nonsense.]

  245. @AaronB

    /So you don’t think the price America paid in blood for Europe and Asia should be part of the total assessment of who America helps the most?/

    The comparison between America’s past wars of hegemony to the financial, materiel, and political assistance it provides directly and indirectly to Israel is an apples-and-oranges analogy. Even if we were to assert that countries in Europe and Asia derived benefit from America’s wars there, this has nothing to do with the fact that the current assistance Israel receives from America is far greater than that received by any other nation on earth.

    /America keeps large garrisons in these places/

    To quote Buchanan, “Congress is Israeli-occupied territory.” And the executive?

    Please …

    Were it bad for Israel, I’m certain America would have ditched those bases yesterday, but after successfully committing America to two world wars and a Mesopotamian quagmire, zionists are likely more than a bit reluctant to sacrifice the kind of advantage they might derive from such a comprehensively stationed proxy army.

    /Honestly, I am only mentioning Muslims because you made the explicit comparison/

    I referenced Muslims who join Jews in seeking to legislate “hate-speech.” You then introduced the subject of Islam and what you imagine to be its disposition toward free expression, not me. In response, I entertained the topic briefly, only to correct the inaccuracies you presented. You then used the occasion to engage in an extended tu quoque criticism of Islam, which you’ve continued to advance to this very moment.

    /Its that weird projection again./

    Indeed.

    When you make attributions, Aaron, take care not to be sloppy. I’m well aware of what I say.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  246. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ok, so Muslim efforts to limit free speech are Jewish-led 🙂

    Apparently only Jews have agency in today’s world.

    I don’t hate Muslims or whites, but you guys will not get better until you ditch the loser mentality. Blaming outsiders for internal problems is an endemic vice of the Muslim world, and the loser half of the white world.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @annamaria
  247. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    You don’t know how the Ashkenazis were created? Polish Kings invited in 25000 Jews into Poland. This 2500 grew to many millions by the 19th century. They were the Elite as merchants,money lenders, and liquor sellers. They kept to themselves,no ghettos. Intermarried only with their group for centuries. This bottleneck makes most Ashkenazis third or fourth cousins of each other.

    In the Polish- Lithuanian federation in the 1500s-1600s it was a Jewish Paradise, a Purgatory for Gentile Nobles and a Hell for Gentile peasants.

    https://www.polin.pl/en/wystawy-wystawa-glowna-galerie/paradisus-iudaeorum

    The year 1569 saw the emergence of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, made up of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Within this powerful and ethnically and religiously diverse state, the Jewish community grew strong in numbers, and its culture flourished. It was a Golden Age in the history of Polish Jews, lasting from the sixteenth to the first half of the seventeenth century.

    During this period Jews enjoyed a high degree of autonomy: they had their own self-government, including the Council of Four Lands (Vaad Arba Aratsot) – a phenomenon unique in Europe. Unlike in other countries, they experienced no mass religious persecution. On the contrary – they could develop their learning, print books, and sometimes even debate with Christian intellectuals. It is precisely at this time that prominent authorities on Jewish religious law lived and wrote. In the town of Kazimierz near Krakow, at the very heart of an influential Jewish community, the famous rabbi and thinker Moses Isserles, known as Remuh, wrote the Mappah, a collection of customs and religious precepts for Ashkenazi Jews. The second half of the sixteenth century brought yet another change: encouraged by the nobility, Jews began to settle on vast noble estates (latifundia) in the east of the country. They engaged in new activities: leasing inns, mills and breweries, trading in grain and cattle.

    In 1764, the Russian Empire took over the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Russians were shocked how the Ashkenazi Elites treated the peasants. To protect the Russian peasants, Ashkenazis were not allowed to settle in the Russian Empire. They must stay in this huge area of about 300000 square miles of the former Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. It was called the Pale of Settlement for the Ashkenazis. The Ashkenazis continued what they always did in the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Ashkenazis grew in such large numbers that they also settled in large numbers in Hungary and Romania, outside the Russian Empire.

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  248. Liza says:

    Poupon:

    Just tell your next paramour before amorous relations that you never wash the nethers.

    I am a late middle aged married woman, so there will not be any paramours. The old man and I do wash ourselves occasionally. 🙂

  249. @Colin Wright

    LOL button already used.

    Nonetheless the kvetching is just not as irritating compared to that ‘Lot’ character who comes confess across as the smug banker from tenerife or wherever the new tax haven is now a days. If memory serves right, he mentioned living in the Cayman Islands so it does show in his unbridled arrogance. He calls himself mainstream while I think he wants to perpetuate these mainstream (((conservative))) positions on Israel

  250. @AaronB

    That’s a good point.

    But this works if your comment is among the first 20 or so because people who are not engaged in the talk are not going to scroll and read all the rest of them. This tactic is good on small sites such as the aforementioned Darkmoon, but here – I don’t think it makes sense.

    Emotions rule. I found that mirroring works best. Right now I am in the middle of a polemic on that site about whether or not Jews still sacrifice children, and at the same time negating allegations that Jews murdered 60 million Russian Christians. Because Solzhenitsin said so. No one can point out where he said that but all of them are sure that I am a liar since I’m telling them he said something else. None of them has read Solzhenitsin. So this is not working either.

    But here is what is interesting: when I am told about the terrible Talmud I post quotations from the Hammer of Witches, and if I’m told about Toaff I send them to the Order of Nine Angels website. This seems to make them start thinking or at least shut up.

    You can’t break through their defences because reason has no business here. Use a mirror.

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  251. @AaronB

    Name a single Muslim effort to criminalize free speech in the west that is as extensive and effective as that of the Jews.

    And you want to talk projection? “Blaming outsiders for internal problems” is a vice endemic to many people.

    But none have perfected it to a science quite like your own.

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  252. @Robjil

    The point being what? Lecturing me?

    I know all about that. I was born and raised in Ukraine and I am a Halachic Jew and know the history of the Jews just as well as the Russian history. You are completely wrong regarding both.

    Yiddish was and is a dialect of German and Ashkenazi Jews speak or used to speak Yiddish which shows where they are from. Doesn’t it?

    The Russians were not shocked about how the Ashkenazi treated the peasants because no one treated the peasants worse than the Russians. Heard about serfdom? The Russians owned their peasants. So – please, comrade. You don’t know nothing yet.

    Learn!

  253. @ploni almoni

    Then I suppose you should be really scared now. I think you need to hide somewhere. In a cave or something.

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  254. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    What internal dysfunctions or problems do Jews blame outsiders on?

    We are too arrogant and proud for that – and at at the same time, too humble. We accuse others of crimes against us, yes, but our internal dysfunctions we have always considered a result of our own sins, our own apostasy.

    Heck, we even believe that the atrocities others commit against us and the misfortunes we suffer are really God punishing us for our own sins.

    This self-critical attitude is a long tradition with us and has spared us many ills. We could not have survived without it.

    As a genuine piece of friendly advice from someone who truly does not hate Muslims, the best thing you can do is develop a self-critical attitude. It takes spiritual discipline and unsparing self analysis – but I think the best traditions of the Muslim world are up to the task.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  255. annamaria says:
    @AaronB

    “No one here is open to reason.”

    — Your beliefs in the myths of Eretz Israel (which you use to rationalize the zionists’ crimes) and your fact-free riding on your alleged super-morality do not indeed provide a scintilla of reason but propaganda. In short, from Freud to Bernays, with Trotsky and Zhabotinsky in the middle.

  256. @AaronB

    /What internal dysfunctions or problems do Jews blame outsiders on?/

    We were discussing the effort to make criminals out of goyim for their legitimate, non-violent effort to forestall Israeli criminality or advance critical analysis of history. Zionists’ inability to acknowledge their inhumane treatment of Palestinians is the very definition of “internal dysfunction.” Of course, to you, it’s a measure of success that your people rationalize such treatment as “necessary,” dismissing the rest of the world’s opinion with a wave of the hand. What’s cognitive dissonance to most is merely par for the course in today’s Israel.

    Please spare me the condescending crap. I already know more about Jewish and Islamic tradition than you care to imagine and I don’t need to be informed by you of the need for self-discipline.

    You have a bad habit of transforming otherwise good counsel into patronizing pabulum given the context in which you present it. Had you the “unsparing self-analysis” you wish to see in everyone else, you wouldn’t have bothered to say a word here.

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  257. annamaria says:
    @AaronB

    Thank you for reminding about the Jewish Lobby’s pernicious attacks on the freedom of speech and freedom of information:

    “At stake is our First Amendment right to protest state policies:” http://bostonreview.net/law-justice/radhika-sainath-right-boycott

    “Texas city refuses to give people hurricane aid unless they pledge not to boycott Israel:” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hurricane-aid-dickinson-israel-boycott-pledge-harvey-financial-help-free-speech-a8011141.html

    MOST BANNED BOOK IN THE WORLD: “200 YEARS TOGETHER RUSSIAN-JEWISH HISTORY – ALEXSANDR SOLZHENITSYN:” https://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/

    Two Hundred Years Together was written by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the famous Russian dissident who won a Nobel Prize for Literature. It is about the time of the Russians and the Jews inside the empire. He wrote in Russian of course but various publishers decided they were not going to put out an English version because they were Jews or frightened of them.

    The together of the title refers to Russians and Jews. The first volume was Russian-Jewish History 1795-1916. The second was called The Jews in the Soviet Union. So it is clear enough why the Jews were never going to like what he had to say.

    Pressure from extremely powerful Zionist sources, as you have already figured out by the title, has kept this valuable work from reaching readers in the West. It details, with great precision, the Jewish involvement in the creation of Bolshevism and communism and the willing participation of Jews in perpetuating the worst mass murders of the 20th century—crimes which dwarf claims about the so-called “holocaust.”

    The number of innocent Christian Russians who died at the hands of the Soviets is mind-boggling. Solzhenitsyn himself estimated the toll at 60million. Many Jews, it must be added, were also crushed under the Soviet steamroller in later years, after Josef Stalin began to diminish their involvement in political and military affairs.

    Learn your history, AaronB. And don’t forget to check a story of the Gates of Toledo:

    In the spring of 711, a Muslim army invaded Iberia led by Tariq ibn Ziyad… Both Latin and Arabic chroniclers record that the Jews of the city “opened the gates of Toledo” to Tariq, who conquered the city. With more cities to take Tariq left Toledo and entrusted its protection to a garrison of Jewish soldiers, whom had rose up against the Catholic Visigoths and opened the gates.

    When Tariq’s master, Musa ibn Nusayr, arrived in Iberia with a large Arab force he seized Seville and like Tariq before him, he entrusted the city to its Jewish inhabitants until his return.

  258. annamaria says:
    @The Dark Night

    Your problem is, the most authoritative documentary (DOCUMENTARY) on the history of Jews in Russia has been strongly unwelcomed by the Jewish Lobby. Not is a single publishing house in the US/UK dared to publish the work of the famous Russian dissident who won a Nobel Prize for Literature. But the presstitute Anne Appelbaum (a faux historian about GULAG and propagandist for Integrity Initiative) was welcomed. https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-integrity-initiative-and-the-uks-scandalous-information-war/253014/

    This “network of networks”, as one document refers to them, centers around an ironically named outfit called the Integrity Initiative. …

    The whole operation appears to be run by, and in conjunction with, members of British military intelligence.

    When your thugs at the ADL (created for the protection of a rapist and pedophile) and similar “selectors of truth” stop harassing honest researchers in WWII and Bolshevik revolution, then you could quetch about “allegations.” Before that, continue enjoying your fanatical “democrat” Sharansky (a darling of Bush the lesser) and the progeny of the worst among the worst Soviet criminals, which have been gracing Israel with their presence.

    Even after Epstein-Wexner saga unraveling, the “loyalists” continue insisting on superior Jewish morality and incomparable Jewish victimhood. The reason has no business here indeed.

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  259. annamaria says:
    @The Dark Night

    “So – please, comrade. You don’t know nothing yet. Learn!”

    — Since you were was born and raised in Ukraine, could you enlighten the readers about Lazar Kaganovich, the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine during Holodomor?
    His nickname was “The Wolf Kremlin,” and he was considered to be the closest comrade of and possible successor to Stalin.

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  260. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    We were discussing the effort to make criminals out of goyim for their legitimate, non-violent effort to forestall Israeli criminality or advance critical analysis of history.

    Ok, but that would an example of wrongly attacking outsiders, if true.

    If we blamed critics of Israel for making us treat Palestinians bad, through mind control or irresistible influence or something, that would be an example of blaming outsiders for our own dysfunctions.

    See what I’m saying?

    Maybe, according to you, we attack people who criticize us or whatever. But if we started blaming them for what we did, and claimed we are helplessly mind controlled by them, that would be pretty pathetic, no?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  261. @Poupon Marx

    You made the claim. You back it up, or do you just want to wail in protestation?

    Since you claim you have the data, copy-pasting the links should be easy.

  262. @Skeptikal

    Wikipedia is easily edited. Present links to original research.

    It amazes me how many make an assertion that they will not back up with evidence, then howl in outrage when they’re called on their BS.

    Stop with the pilpul, and give us data. That’s all we’re asking.

  263. @AaronB

    ‘…This self-critical attitude is a long tradition with us and has spared us many ills. We could not have survived without it…’

    It’s somewhat surreal that this claim is made on behalf of a people that overwhelmingly continues to support Israel.

    Yep, real self-critical. Able to look honestly at their crime and admit it. If the Germans were like this, we’d still be hearing about how the gas chambers were actually for delousing clothing, and after all, the Jews deserved it.

    …and if you are going to announce you do criticize Israel, don’t just vaguely generalize. This time, let’s hear exactly what your criticisms are. Specify which massacres you think were crimes, when Jews should not be allowed to drive Palestinians from their homes, what agreements Israel really did break, which of her wars were unjustified, etc.

    Or, shall we hear ‘The Sound of Silence’ again? Redirect, perchance?

  264. @AaronB

    ‘…To claim that the sources for this subversion lie deep within Jewish tradition and culture going back thousands of years is absurd…’

    Why would it be absurd? You endlessly refer to some (endlessly undefined) spiritual profundity and virtue inherent in Judaism.

    If virtue can be inherent in it, why not vice? After all, lately you’ve been gargling about the evil inherent in the West. Absurd as well — but if we grant the possibility that this isn’t nonsense, surely a similar vileness could dwell within Judaism.

  265. @AaronB

    /See what I’m saying?/

    Yes, and, with all due respect, it’s one of the most inane arguments I’ve ever beheld.

    Relegating criticism of zionism to psychological projection is, just as Colin so accurately described it, quite lame. Who here is claiming, or even implying, that the responsibility for his action rests entirely upon zionists? Nobody.

    All I’ve done is to describe a political landscape in which zionists have advanced legislation that criminalizes expression challenging to their agenda. You haven’t been able to provide a single example of any interest group in the western milieu that has had as extensive and corrosive an influence in this regard as Jews. Not one.

    You think I don’t know that the Arabs and their followers have largely succeeded Jews into the fire, just as the Prophet said they would? You want to know which of them has greater influence over American government? Do a search for “Qualitative Military Edge” and you’ve got your answer.

    Look, Aaron … You were on the right track when you admitted that the endeavor to criminalize expression challenging the zionist agenda was wrong-headed. Why you had to go any further is beyond me, but to the extent you do so, you’re merely digging a deeper hole for yourself.

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  266. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    the destructive “father” of Judaism himself, Abraham,

    When you ridicule Abraham(pbuh), even in the context of that pagan “in-his-image” mangod-worshipping faith called Judaism, you ridicule Islam.

    Abraham(pbuh) was not the “father” of Judaism, at least as we know it now. He was simply a continuation of a long line of true monotheist prophets sent by the Almighty One to guide us common ingrates, the rest of mankind.

    And, neither was Jesus(pbuh) the “father” of that pagan “in-his-image” faith called Christianity. He too was a blessed true monotheist prophet of the Almighty One.

    They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah [God] is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. : Holy Quran 5:72

    Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, peace be upon them all, have nothing to do with, and will utterly reject, those who have twisted their true monotheist teachings into whatever pagan mangods-worshipping delusions which abound in their blessed names.

    And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. : Holy Quran 5:116

    rich trove of criminality in the “idol smashing”

    Criminality? Lol!

    Having utter contempt and smashing such symbols of paganism, that which will condemn those unfortunate souls who practise it, is criminality? You are an idol sympathising godless fool.

    giggles his way out into the world to start “monotheism”.

    Abraham(pbuh) did not “start” monotheism. It was brought forth by Adam(pbuh).

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  267. @Liza

    Thank you Liza for your response to my comment.

    My assertion that women vastly prefer circumcised to uncircumcised was based on just personal experience with a small sample with N ~ 25. Because of your comment I decided to check to see if my experience was typical. I found that it was.

    In a survey of undergraduate women at Georgia College, Milledgeville, Georgia, on viewing color magazine photographs of men with “well-formed body parts,” 89% preferred the circumcised penis and 11% preferred the uncircumcised penis.16

    In a study of well-educated new mothers at a major Midwest medical center, 16.5% of whom had sexual contact with both circumcised and uncircumcised men, 92% believed the circumcised penis stays cleaner, 90% said it looked “sexier,” 85% said it felt nicer to touch, and 55% said that it “smells more pleasant.”17 Preferences for vaginal intercourse were circumcised, 71%; uncircumcised, 6%; and either, 23%; for fellatio, 83%, 2%, and 15%, respectively; for manual stimulation, 75%, 5%, and 20%, respectively; and looking at nude to achieve sexual arousal, 76%, 4%, and 20%, respectively. Of the 5.5% of women who had only ever had uncircumcised partners, all preferred the look of the circumcised penis. The authors concluded that “almost any sexual exposure to a circumcised penis swayed women to sexually prefer circumcision, with only 1% of the entire sample consistently preferring uncircumcised partners for all sexual activities,” all of whom were from the group who had only ever had sexual experience with uncircumcised men. No woman thought that an uncircumcised penis looked sexier.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523040/

    Of course the “personal experience” that I assert above does not mean my personal experience but rather that of a friend. I chose the expression “personal experience” to show that it was anecdotal only and not a scientific survey.

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  268. @annamaria

    How is this my problem, sweetheart?

    I read Two Hundred Years Together in Russian. I’ve no idea what is the documentary you’re talking about but I’m sure you can publish pretty much anything on the Internet. I also see no reason to complain about the publishing houses. You can establish your own and publish whatever you want. As far as I know, there is no censorship in the US, and you can also sell whatever you want on your own website. So, whose problem is it?

    Hire a translator, sweetheart, an editor and publish that book. You can self-publish it. And if it is in such a great demand, you can even make some money. Why don’t you? No one owes you anything, you have to take care of yourself and your needs. That’s the way life is.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @annamaria
  269. @annamaria

    No, it’s boring. Let’s better talk about something less popular. For example a famine in the UK during the same time or the Great Depression in the US. Look how interesting this is:

    “In some towns and cities in the north east, unemployment reached as high as 70% as shipbuilding fell by 90%. The National Hunger March of September–October 1932 was the largest of a series of hunger marches in Britain in the 1920s and 1930s. About 200,000 unemployed men were sent to the work camps, which continued in operation until 1939.”

    • Replies: @annamaria
  270. Alfred says:
    @Liza

    I agree.

    I imagine that being born and having to twist through the mother’s vagina must be pretty painful and extremely stressful. Lots of babies cannot make it and the lives of both mother and child are in danger unless a surgeon intervenes.

  271. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    Ashkenazis came into Poland with the invitation of Polish Kings. Ashkenazis speak Yiddish because they came into Poland from western Europe.

    It was only 25000 Jews who came in, they grew in many millions because the Elite status that Ashkenazis had in Poland since 1025.

    The Polish Kingdom included Ukraine for many centuries. So that is why many people have Ashkenazi genes like you do in Ukraine.

    In 1569, Polish joined with Lithuania to create the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.

    Thus, the Ashkenazis had a huge area to expand – Poland, Belorussia, Ukraine and the Baltics. parts of Romania. They also settled in Hungary.

    Ashkenazis are thought to come from the Rhineland so that is why they speak a Germanic language, Yiddish.

    You say you are Halachic Jewish, then you are Italian. It has been found that most Ashkenazi Jews’s maternal side is from European DNA, mostly from the Italian Peninsula.

    I know about serfdom in Russia. It was created to protect the peasants from Tartar raids. The word slave comes the word Slav. Crimean Tartars were the main Slav slave raiders and sellers of Slav slaves.

    http://serfdominrussia.blogspot.com/

    In the 13th to 15th centuries, feudal dependency applied to a significant number of peasants, but serfdom as we know it was still not a widespread phenomenon. In the mid-15th century the right of certain categories of peasants in some votchinas to leave their master was limited to a period of one week before and after the so-called Yuri’s Day (November 26). TheSudebnik of 1497 officially confirmed this time limit as universal for everybody and also established the amount of the “break-away” fee called pozhiloye (пожилое). The legal code ofIvan III of Russia, Sudebnik (1497), strengthened the dependency of peasants, statewide, and restricted their mobility. The Russians persistently battled against the successor states of the Golden Horde, chiefly the Khanate of Crimea. Annually the Russian population of the borderland suffered from Tatar invasions and tens of thousands of noblemen protected the southern borderland (a heavy burden for the state), which slowed its social and economic development and expanded the taxation of peasantry.

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  272. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Data yourself (where applicable) If you have any to the contrary.

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  273. @The Dark Night

    “Whom are you mocking? At whom do you snarl and stick out your tongue? Are you not children of transgression, offspring of deceit?” Isaiah 57:4.

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  274. @The Dark Night

    You convict yourself out of your own mouth and you cannot help it.

  275. @The Dark Night

    Well, Kaganovich, you speak English, I would assume that means you come from England. But doesn’t Ashkenazi mean Scythian? Does not that mean you come from inner Asia? And is not Kagan a Turkic title? Did not the Ashkenazis learn broken German mixed with Slavic from the Teutonic Knights in the Baltics? Were not the Ashkenazis hired by the Poles and Lithuanians as mercenaries to collect taxes from the peasants on behalf of the nobles?

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  276. K. W. says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Fascinating article, Laurent. Are you familiar with Lloyd DeMause’s and Alice Miller’s work on the treatment of children throughout history (a discipline he called “psychohistory”–having nothing to do with Asimov’s concept). His thesis is that childrearing patterns have evolved throughout history through seven different stages, from overt infanticide, to abandonment, to intrusive and harsh but at least attentive, to rigid socialization with a veneer of love, finally to genuine love and “peaceful parenting”; of course, some population groups would have had better parenting styles on average than others, though until perhaps the 1700s there was little mention of love or kindness towards children anywhere. Unfortunately, he does not even theorize as to the origins of the most violent parenting styles, but perhaps there was some cosmic trauma in prehistory that caused it (yahweh at work?), or perhaps just the rigors of infant mortality and economic difficulties… Would love to know your thoughts on this body of work!

    Stefan Molyneux has done a great job popularizing his information, and you could possibly even get on Molyneux’s show (he seems to be aware of the JQ, though much of his audience is still languishing in ignorance of it). He published some of DeMause’s books in ebook and audiobook form on his Freedomain Radio site.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  277. @Colin Wright

    Lysenko vindicated! We’re back on the right track — or something.

    Lysenkoism – like its ancestor, Marxism, and like Freudian and behaviorist psychology – bases itself on the theory that “conditions create consciousness,” that nothing is immutably innate, and that an organism is nothing more or less than the sum of its experiences. Lysenko, under the patronage of Stalin, went a step farther, holding that acquired characteristics could be inherited. This suited the ideology of his patron, who wanted to create “New Soviet Man,” his version of a “master race,” but one created not by nature but by nurture.

    There could be no more amusing rebuttal of Lysenko’s claim than to observe that that Jews have been circumcising their male infants for more than 3,000 years, yet every one of them to this day stubbornly continues to be born with a prepuce.

  278. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    You think I don’t know that the Arabs and their followers have largely succeeded Jews into the fire, just as the Prophet said they would?

    This right here is the fatal attitude that is killing you.

    If you do something, take responsibility for it.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  279. @Robjil

    Look, friend.

    There is no such word as “slav”. This is a misspelling of a Slavic word and it has nothing to do with “slave”. You know about that Europen state, Slovenia. This is the most original and authentic Slavic nation. I mean in the anthropological sense. The name Slovenia refers to the name of the people and their language, which comes from the word “slovo” – which means, a word. So the peoples and the tribes who spoke that language were called “slovenins” but as in the Russian language phonetics are a bit different it sounds more like “slavenin”. From here the British created this interpretation and connected it to the English word “slave” which is preposterous, because the Russians had been a nation before the English became one.

    Serfdom was not created to protect, but to exploit. For this reason a lot of peasants preferred to run away and to settle down along the southern border of the Russian Empire, where they wouldn’t be found. These people were called the Cossacks. They protected the borders from the attacks of the Crimean Tatars and the Turks. Learn the real history, comrade. And please stop writing nonsense to me.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  280. @ploni almoni

    No, Ashkenaz means the land of Ashkenaz, one of the sons of Noah and it was considered to be located in the North. So the Jews of the Roman Empire settled there and this is why they speak Yiddish Deutsch. A dialect of the German language with about 75% of common linguistic traits. The Slavic words were added later, when most of the Ashkenazis moved to the East, to Poland.

  281. @ploni almoni

    I am not mocking anybody, am I? Nor am I deceiving anyone or transgressing anything. And you are not a prophet to tell me such things.

  282. @anonymous

    /you ridicule Islam/

    And when thou see those who trivialize Our signs, withdraw from them until they trivialize another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after remembering, with the gathering of aggressors. [6: 68]

    /You are an idol sympathising godless fool./

    Nobody is “godless.”

    Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah, lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do. [6: 108]

    Please consider your audience before launching into this kind of reflexive response. This is not in keeping with the minhaj established by our Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam.

  283. @Miggle

    ” Every little Jewish child is, before all else, instructed that he or she is a victim of the non-Jews”.

    That reminds me of a local Jewish website I entered shortly after the synogogue shooting, as I thought the local chapter would have a donation link (they didn’t have one – I think i ended up donating at go fund me or one of those sites). Right away i noticed they were having a Competition for the youth; who could write the best paper on the Holocaust. The reward was something like $400.

    So, victim-hood is encouraged, as well as inflaming the youth with rage. I find this very sad. It’s important not to forget history, but to encourage hate is altogether something else. Same chapter had information on how to help illegal immigrants and refugees.

    Of course, I don’t believe for a minute that Jews have a monopoly on psychological problems and sexual abuse history; seems those conditions are prevalent in all groups.

  284. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    The word slave comes from the word Slav.

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/360669/etymology-of-the-word-slave/360673#360673

    This etymology seems fairly certain. Per the OED, the words Slav and slave comes from the Medieval Latin sclavus (c. 800CE), itself from the late Greek Σκλαβος (c. 580CE). According to the OED, documents of the ninth century attest to the attribution of word to the subjugated peoples of central Europe.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  285. @AaronB

    /This right here is the fatal attitude that is killing you./

    You mistake acknowledgement of an observable phenomenon for fatalism. It doesn’t follow from such acknowledgement that I myself manifest the phenomenon.

    /If you do something, take responsibility for it./

    Again with the condescending attitude.

    What makes you think I don’t already take responsibility for what I do?

  286. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    I know about the Cossacks, they were created to protect themselves from being slaves. Landowners protected their peasants from being taken into slavery with serfdom. After Crimea was conquered serfdom should have ended but it continued on till 1861.

    Here is how important the Slav slave trade was to the Ottoman Empire.

    https://historum.com/threads/the-importance-of-crimean-slave-trade-for-ottoman-empire-1475-1774.76254/

    The Crimean slave trade not only affected Russians and Ukrainians, it was also a significant source of other Eastern European slaves, Poles, Caucasians, even some thousands of Hungarians ended up there.
    The most important impact could be economic. the pençik (one fifth of the booties in military campaigns to the ruler) and more importantly the tax and custom duties on the slaves..
    Inalcik’s An Economic and Social History of the Ottoman Empire, vol 1. has a chapter on the Black sea trade and 2-3 pages on slavery. From there (p 283-85), in 1520 the revenue of the Ottoman treasury was 1,310,000 akçe (=21,000 gold ducats) from slave taxes and custom duties from the Crimean ports. (for totals of Ottoman state revenues i posted some tables in this thread: http://historum.com/war-military-history/72973-why-did-serb-bosnian-army-lose-battle-kosovo-2.html post #17, source from the same book). in 1577-78 slave tax made up 29% of the total revenues of the Ottoman Empire’s possessions in Crimea. in the above mentioned book the author estimates the annual slave population imported from Poland, Muscovy and Circassia together could be over 10,000 in the period of 1500-1650 on average.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  287. @acementhead

    “Male circumcision needs to be seen as unnecessary and barbaric – just like female genital
    mutilation …Defenders of male circumcision sometimes try to justify the practice by citing health benefits …But no national medical society in the World recommends routine circumcision of boys as a
    health intervention ,,,the current medical literature purporting to show the health benefits of circumcision has been generated by doctors who have cultural , financial or other interests in seeing the practice continued .” An oped by Stephen Evans writing in the Independent (UK).
    The National Health Service in the UK no longer pay s for a routine circumcision to be performed .
    If the women surveyed at Georgia College had learned during their lives that male circumcision was barbaric and had no health benefits I believe that their responses to the study would have been completely different .

  288. annamaria says:
    @The Dark Night

    Mister, you are mocking yo0urself.

    As for your cavalier (and dishonest) statement, “You can establish your own and publish whatever you want,” here is an article explaining, with the facts at hand, the zionists assault on the freedom of information and on the First Amendment: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    These days, my morning newspapers seem to carry Holocaust-related stories with astonishing frequency, and probably no event of the twentieth century looms so large in our public consciousness. According to public survey data, even as far back as 1995, some 97% of Americans knew of the Holocaust, far more than were aware of the Pearl Harbor attack or America’s use of the atomic bombs against Japan, while less than half our citizenry were aware that the Soviet Union had been our wartime ally. But I’d suspect that anyone who drew his knowledge from the mainstream newspapers and history books during the first couple of decades after the end of the Second World War might never have even been aware that any Holocaust had actually occurred …

    Meanwhile, all historians know perfectly well that the Bolshevik leaders were overwhelmingly Jewish, with three of the five revolutionaries Lenin named as his plausible successors coming from that background. Although only around 4% of Russia’s population was Jewish, a few years ago Vladimir Putin stated that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government, an estimate fully consistent with the contemporaneous claims of Winston Churchill, Times of London correspondent Robert Wilton, and the officers of American Military Intelligence. … prior to World War II, Jews remained enormously over-represented in the Communist leadership, especially dominating the Gulag administration and the top ranks of the dreaded NKVD.

    Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime. But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.

    https://www.unz.com/article/international-campaign-is-criminalizing-criticism-of-israel-as-antisemitism/?highlight=antisemitism

    In a May 2017 speech, World Jewish Congress leader Ronald Lauder said, “Being anti-Israel is being anti-Semitic.” He announced that the congress “is creating a new communications department, or what you might call Hasborah” to counter this new “antisemitism.”

    https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/alain-soral-sentenced-to-2-years-jail-for-sharing-gilets-jaunes-anti-rothschild-rap-video/?highlight=Irving+criticism+of+israel

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  289. annamaria says:
    @The Dark Night

    Don’t zionists love quetching about antisemitism in Russia? If Holodomor was no big deal, then it is time for zi0nists to stop peddling the profitable holobiz stories of incomparable sufferings.

  290. Theodore says:
    @acementhead

    None are so blind as those who refuse to see…

    Imagine being kicked out of 1,000 different Walmarts, claiming innocence and faulting the management every time. Wouldn’t you call someone like that mentally ill?

    Complete list of Jewish Expulsions / Jews expelled from over 1,000 places in history
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12596

  291. CBTerry says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I have been too busy to follow the comments so forgive me if these points regarding the impact of infantile circumcision have already been raised:

    [MORE]

    1) To the son: I would suggest looking into the work of Paul Tinari, PhD, who did PET scans of post-circumcision neonates and found brain changes that were most likely permanent. The study is preliminary because it was shut down once the hospital caught wind of it.

    2) To the mother: Most gentiles (although no doubt this has been changing with the rise of the internet) are blissfully ignorant of what actually happens during the procedure. I recall hearing one baby screaming his lungs out, and then afterwards the ObGyn, flush with excitement, telling the smiling mother how well the circumcision went while her son was still in the nursery bawling.

    Jewish mothers are not blissfully ignorant: they take a central role in what is turned into a major ceremony. I believe that this is culturally unique, although somebody please correct me if I am mistaken. I wonder how this affects the mother — it is certainly not hard to imagine her developing psychopathology to justify it. An interesting read is “I Enjoyed My Son’s Bris” by Elissa Strauss (The New York Times, May 31, 2013). Some quotations: “I did really enjoy it. Quite a bit, in fact.” “The idea that we still observe a ritual tied to sacrifice involving our newborn sons is even more unsettling. To all those opposed to circumcision who are vigorously nodding right now, well, I can’t say I really disagree. Still, if I have another boy I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again.”

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  292. @annamaria

    How is this contradicting the fact which I was talking about? You still can publish books, self-publish a book and sell books without being cencored.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  293. @Robjil

    The Crimean Tatars had been waging wars against Russia for centuries before being conquered, and the prisoners were sold to the Turks. This doesn’t mean that “slav” means “slave”, and thinking like this shows a person with a low IQ.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  294. @Robjil

    No, the word is spelled Slověne (Словѣне), and it referres to a language. This is possible that the English word “slave” was derived from that on account of a lot of Russian prisoners being sold on the slave markets in the Turkish cities, but it doesn’t explain the origins of the word and the name per se. You the Brits are a small people, a not important people and should know that. You place is number 16. Young and inexperienced.

  295. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    Everyone knows this word connection. It is common knowledge.

    https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=41445

    English “slave”:

    From Middle English, from Old French sclave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus (“slave”), from Late Latin Sclāvus (“Slav”), because Slavs were often forced into slavery in the Middle Ages. The Latin word is from Byzantine Greek Σκλάβος (Sklábos), see that entry and Slav for more.

    Here is a bit about the trade in Prague.

    I was surprised to learn that the volume of trade in slaves from among the Slavic tribes to purchasers in North Africa and the Middle East was so great that it led to the making of many fortunes for the wealthy of Prague around a thousand years ago. The trade was described in the travel account of Ibrahim ibn Yaqub (fl. 961–62; Jakub’s namesake!), a Hispano-Arabic, Sephardi Jewish merchant (?) who is famous for being the first person to mention Prague and its Jewish community in writing.

    Here is the history about the how Slav is connected to the English world slave.

    The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slave and Slav are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical.

    It first appeared in English in 1290

    The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, “Slav, slave,” first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklä′vōs) “Slav,” which appears around 580.

    The word slave is connected to the Slav’s name for themselves,

    Sklavos approximates the Slavs’ own name for themselves, the Slověnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in the 1500s.

    Slavs became slaves beginning in the ninth century.

    Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 1100s, stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until 1410, when the Poles crushed the knights of the Teutonic Order at Grunwald in north-central Poland.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @The Dark Night
  296. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    Here is the reason that it has not been published in English. It is not flattering to Jews. We live in the Zion Age of Faith. All things “must” be flattering to our rulers in our Zion Age of Faith since 12.23.1913. Someday the world be free of the Zion Age of Faith and that will be a glorious day for humanity. Enough already, we are all humans. All humans deserve respect not only Zionists.

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/01/08/michael-wolff-publishes-fury-and-fire-while-alexander-solzhenitsyns-200-years-together-is-still-not-published-in-english/

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s last book from the year 2004 is still not published in English, but finally it is at least translated, by volunteers of course, and all chapters can be downloaded for free from the web. This book, 200 hundred years together, explains the role of Jewish Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, especially in the early years. As it is well known for anybody who has searched history, Jews had a major role in communism, there is not so much especially new in this book, but it is a detailed study of the topic. Undoubtedly the book would have sold well enough to warrant publication in English. The reason for not publishing it is that American Jews have claimed that the book is anti-Semitic. I read the most criticized parts and I do not find is anti-Semitic. The book simply tells more or less correct history of certain events, which are not so flattering to Jews. Dark episodes, though maybe not so dark, can be found from the history of most peoples

    .

    • Replies: @tac
    , @The Dark Night
  297. @Alden

    If there was no cash money in the holocaust hoax, you’d be surprised at how quick stress levels and DNA changes would revert back to normal.

  298. tac says:
    @Robjil

    Not only did Ben Gurion describe succinctly the New World Order that Yahweh’s brood is determined to force upon the world; he also made it clear that the Jews’ Universal Empire has been his hybrid race’s goal for more than twenty-two centuries. That should not be surprising to Christians who have read their holy book while awake and believe in “Bible prophecy.” They may even believe that what destroys all nations that refuse to serve the Jews is their strange god — and, if they accept the Yiddish aphorism, “God is the Jewish People,” they will be right.

    When the New World Order is established, it will be incontrovertible proof that our race is what the Jews say it is, “eine minderwertige Rasse,” an inferior race. (6) It is simply a fact of nature that the only proof of a race’s superiority is its survival and its expansion at the expense of other races. And if the expansion is achieved, not by valor in honest war, but by cowardly intrigues, covert conspiracy, and slimy perfidy, that may be offensive to the Aryans’ idiosyncratic morality, but the real world recognizes only the fact of triumph, no matter how attained. It may be that the mammoths were made indignant by the iniquity and moral turpitude of the mobs of cowardly little savages who trapped and exterminated them, but mammoths nevertheless became forever extinct.

    (6. Cf. Liberty Bell, July 1987, pp. 1-5.)

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/01/the-new-world-order-2/

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1981/11/the-enemy-of-our-enemies-part-1/

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Robjil
  299. utu says:
    @Robjil

    There was one Czech historian (Dušan Třeštik) who did some work on slavery who tried to figure out exact economic impact and the scale of it. Prague was one of the main slave trade centers and all glorious early real and legendary Bohemian Kings were involved in it even beyond when Christianity was adopted. The same goes for Polish rulers from Piast dynasty and whoever there was before them. Despite of Papacy edicts against slavery it persisted however certainly Christianity eventually put stop to it and had the civilizing effect by forbidding first the enslavement of Christians which impeded the local rulers from raiding each other for slaves and also promoted the spread of Christianity as being Christina offered some degree of protection.

    A Mass for the Slaves: from Early Medieval Prague
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284284626_A_Mass_for_the_Slaves_from_Early_Medieval_Prague

    Slave Trading in the British Isles and the Czech Lands, 7th-11th Centuries
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b36b/b5af9ec575e5a3b1cab3954c3514a77ebda5.pdf?_ga=2.14494192.638316134.1570161370-1005358719.1570161370

    The Slave Trade in Great Moravia: Reality or Fiction?
    https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2015/AEA_16/um/54995610/Instanbul_otroci_ENG.pdf

    Also see on transcontinental Jewish slavers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite

    Prominent role of Jews in slavery should not be surprising. Jews developed the know-how of slavery business long before Europeans entered it in 16 century on the Western African route. Jews unlike Brits, Dutch and Spaniard had a long history being involved in slavery, at leasts as far back as early Middle Ages. The Jewish slavers travelled throughout Europe buying slaves to be delivered to Muslim Spain, Northern Africa and Middle East. The main slave markets of Medieval Europe were in Prague, Lyon and Venice. Slaves were brought from Central and Eastern Europe and other pre-Christian parts. Slavery of pagans was not directly prohibited by Church but many Christians were enslaved as well. The Catholic Church as it was strengthening its political power was limiting this practice but money must have been really good because the laws agains slavery were violated. In Europe there were no Muslim slavers because they were not allowed to travel in Christian Europe. So the job was done by Jews. In Prague there was a certain priest who was an activist against slavery. He was however chased out and had to seek refuge in Poland where he later was killed by pagan Prussians in 997. He later was canonized and called St. Adalbert. In 12 century bronze doors illustrating his life was erected in Gniezno Cathedral in Poland. Out of 18 panels two show his activities against Jewish slavers:

    Panel 7: He has a vision of Christ telling him to save Christians from slavery by the Jewish traders.
    Panel 8: He pleads with the Duke of Bohemia for the release of Christians slaves by their Jewish masters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniezno_Doors

    After the consolidation of power by Catholic church and the Reconquista of Iberian peninsula slavery of Europeans was eliminated from the European continent. However there was an active slavery center in Crimea where mostly Slavic, Balto-Slavic and slaves from Finland were traded to Ottoman empire. Istanbul, Bagdad, Damascus and Cairo were full of Slavic slaves. Again Jews played prominent role in this slavery route though the actual procuring of slaves by kidnaping was done by Tartars. Finally Catherine The Great put stop to this practice when she conquered Crimea and annexed it for Russia in 18 century.

    It should not be surprising that when West African slavery route to the New World was opened in 16 century Jewish role (as Jews or Marranos) was very prominent. They were dealing with Muslims and Arabs in this business for at least 1000 years.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @ivan
  300. utu says:
    @tac

    You quoted a fragment form the nationalvanguard.org. I have looked it up trying to see what actually Ben Gurion said. I am familiar with his interview in Look magazine but what is quoted in the article you cited is very confusing and there is no way of finding out who is quoted and from what source. I think it is written purposefully in conspiratorial insinuating and confusing style that probably is typical for some people who write there. Be cautious, there are lot of forgeries out there that cater to people that will eat it up if it serves their confirmation bias. Not everything you that want to be true is true.

  301. @K. W.

    Are you familiar with Lloyd DeMause’s and Alice Miller’s work on the treatment of children throughout history?

    No, I’m not. I’ll check into it, thanks.
    I’m not very good in interviews, especially in English.

    • Replies: @K. W.
  302. Robjil says:
    @tac

    We are living in these times right now.

    Zion Age of Faith is our world of today.

    Every one trips over words recognizing from endlessly brainwashing 24/7 by our Zion uber alles MSM or having the fear from that media in our heads that God is the Jewish People. Ben Gurion told us the plan.

    One of the posters here mentioned that there were three speakers on a video who talked about Freud, two Jews and one Gentile. The Gentile said that Freud was discredited. The two Jews doubled down on him that this was not so. The Shabbos Goy Gentile quickly “agreed”. He had to do do since he had the fear of “God is the Jewish People” in him. He knows that today we live sadly in the Zion Age of Faith.

    North West Europeans, Ben Gurion calls them Aryans, said that they are the easiest to manipulate since they have idiosyncratic morality.

    What is Idiosyncratic behavior?

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/learner-english/idiosyncratic

    An idiosyncratic quality or way of behaving is typical of only one person and is often strange or unusual.

    Here is an Oxford Professor, Jeff MacMahan, who talks about this problem in the western world.

    https://qz.com/1102616/an-oxford-philosophers-moral-crisis-can-help-us-learn-to-question-our-instincts/

    Perhaps wholly dedicating oneself to a life of the mind can create idiosyncratic moral intuitions. Just as we must all interrogate how our personal backgrounds shape our instincts, surely professors should question how a life spent in the ivory tower might affect their decisions.

    All is going to plan as Ben Gurion mentioned sadly for the human race.

  303. @Robjil

    You need to be completely retarded to be unable to tell past from future. Good luck, friend. Your comments from now on will be ignored.

  304. @Robjil

    The Jews are not your servants, comrade. If the Jewish publishers don’t want this book to be published they will not publish this book. This is their own right. The same as if you open your own publishing company you will have a right to choose what to publish. So go ahead and open one, and publish this book and stop whining. The Jews do not owe you nothing.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @The Dark Night
  305. Robjil says:
    @The Dark Night

    We are publishing on the internet.

    The Zion Age of Faith fanatics are doing the whining about that.

    Free speech scares them like the wicked of the west is afraid of water.

  306. melpol says:

    Sexual perversions of male Jews have been exhaustively studied. But the mind of the Jewess has been neglected. Many of the wealthiest men have been hypnotized by the allure of the Jewess. Her behavior and thoughts cannot be resisted, they are magnetizing. Negative comments about the Jewess have been censored by the media. Many Nazi leaders took a Jewess as a wife. She is a coveted prize.

  307. ivan says:
    @utu

    That and Shylock-like usury were the real reasons the Gentiles hated the Jews. But according to the liar Goldhagen, Jews were everywhere innocent victims set upon by the Catholic Church.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  308. Robjil says:
    @ivan

    It is ironic that Goldenhagen thinks that Jews are “innocent” victims set upon by the Catholic Church.

    Why are there so many Ashkenazis in the world, Goldenhagen?

    Catholic Polish Kings invited 25000 Jews into Poland in 1025. This small number grew into many millions. They spread all over the Polish Kingdom 1025- 1569, later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 1569-1764. These area was quite large. It is what is now Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, Belorussia, parts of Romania. They also spread to Hungary.

    There were no Ghettos. The Ashkenazis were merchants, money lenders or liquor sellers. They weren’t “persecuted” at all by these Catholic rulers. They had more rights and better lives than masses of Catholic or Christian Orthodox peasants which they abused ( set upon). They only intermarried with each other. Since they came from such a small group, most are third or fourth cousins of each other.

    Russians noticed their abusive behavior to the peasants of this area when they took over the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. The Russian Empire created the Pale of Settlement to keep the Ashkenazis within that area to protect the Russian peasants.

    In 1917, there was an invasion of Ashkenazis all over the areas outside the Pale of the Russian empire after the Bolshevik Revolution. All peoples of the Russian Empire were then “set upon” during the Soviet Union.

    Stalin tried to stop this behavior. He was with it to 1938. The Ashkenazis gave him a Purim poisoning in 1953. That ended that.

    Goldhagen has to read real history instead his fantasy world of the Jewish culture floating on clouds like angels on earth. We all been brainwashed endless since the end of WWII about this fantasy of

    “Jewish culture as angels in clouds”

    who never do wrong ever in their entire history.

    This “Jewish angel culture in clouds” is coming crashing down to earth in the past few years. The mass hysteria of clamping down on the internet, of books, and of anyone who speaks up is all about the great fear that this Jewish angel culture will be exposed as a fantasy and a dangerous fantasy for our planet.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ivan
  309. K. W. says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Awesome, very curious to hear if you gain any insights from it.

    I heard your interview with Kevin Barrett and thought you did great, but I understand it may not be the most comfortable to do interviews in a foreign language!

  310. utu says:
    @Robjil

    I see you repeating this

    Catholic Polish Kings invited 25000 Jews into Poland in 1025. This small number grew into many millions.

    over and over again but I do not think this claim is documented.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  311. Robjil says:
    @utu

    It is true. It is common knowledge. The Polish Kingdom 1025 -1569 and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth 1569-1764 was the birthplace and the growing place for Ashkenazi culture for almost a thousand years.

    Even wikipedia admits it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland

    From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[5] Historians have described the label paradisus iudaeorum (Latin for “Paradise of the Jews”).[6][7] The country became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world’s largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of the world’s Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[8][9][10] W

    • Replies: @utu
  312. Robjil says:
    @utu

    Another oddity about Poland. It did not get the Black Death in the mid 1300s. Maps of Black Death show Poland as a huge island in the middle of the European continent with no Black Death. This could be the reason for the “rumors” that Jewish merchants spread it in wells in the rest of Europe.

    https://www.medievalists.net/2019/08/black-death-did-not-reach-poland-according-to-peat-bog-evidence/

    Dr. Guzowski notes, “Analyses of peat bog cores also provided surprising information on the Black Death, the plague epidemic that took a deadly toll in Europe in the mid-14th century. There is a debate among researchers as to whether the plague also reached Poland.

    “In the cores we have analysed so far, no significant decreases in the share of pollen of cereals, weeds or other plants related to human activity are recorded, which means that there was no depopulation.”

    • Replies: @utu
  313. Ivan says:
    @Robjil

    It would appear that Jewish savants have ever since the story of Jacob cheating his brother Esau, have adopted the position that in these matters the best defence is a good offence.

  314. utu says:
    @Robjil

    “It is true.” – What is true? 25,000? 1025 AD? Polish King?

    It is not even close. Though it could be the judeo centric version of history as Jews always wanted to portray themselves as being in Poland from the very beginning. There was no more than 1000 Jews in Poland in 15 century. No Polish king or ruler invited Jews to Poland in 11, 12, 13 or century.

    The only Jews in 9-12 century in Poland and Bohemia were slavers. See my comment

    https://www.unz.com/article/freud-sexual-abuse-and-cover-up/#comment-3484805

    • Replies: @Robjil
  315. Robjil says:
    @utu

    Yes, that is true about slavery. You right about.

    Thanks for the many articles that you posted about slavery in the Czech lands in the 9th and 10th century. Jews were very prominent in that. This slavery of Czech Slavs was the reason that the word Slav is connected to the word slave. This was only the beginning of Slav slavery. It continued till Crimea was conquered by the Russians in the late 1700s. This slavery business in Eastern Europe is another reason Eastern Europeans can’t be “guilted” about their history like Western Europe.

    So maybe the invitation to Poland in 1025 is just a fig leaf. The Jewish presence was already there with Slav slavery.

    https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/jaro2015/AEA_16/um/54995610/Instanbul_otroci_ENG.pdf
    page 3

    Jewish Radanite slave traders took Slav slaves to Muslim Spain. It was huge market in Muslim Spain.

    The market of the Moravians was frequented by the Jewish Radanites, as well as the merchants of Venice and Bavaria, who would take the slaves away from there in two different directions. The western route led over Regensburg, Verdun as far as the Caliphate of Córdoba in the Iberian peninsula and further on via the port in Almeria to the Maghreb. The southern, or south-eastern way was routed through Venice to the Near East. Slav slaves, called al-Sakaliba in Arabic, must have arrived in great numbers. Just in the court of one of the caliphs of Córdoba, Abd-ar-Rahman III, in the first half of the 10th century, they stood at 13750 (Brantjes). They are mentioned for the first time as early as during the Spanish Umayaad ruler al-Hakim who was in power between 796-82

    Who were the Radanites?

    https://www.liquisearch.com/radhanite/end_of_the_radhanite_age

    End of The Radhanite Age

    The fall of the Tang Dynasty of China in 908 and the destruction of the Khazar Khaganate some sixty years later (circa 968-969 AD) led to widespread chaos in Inner Eurasia, the Caucasus and China. Trade routes became unstable and unsafe, a situation exacerbated by Turkic invasions of Persia and the Middle East, and the Silk Road largely collapsed for centuries. This period saw the rise of the mercantile Italian city-states, especially Genoa, Venice, Pisa, and Amalfi, who viewed the Radhanites as unwanted competitors.

    The economy of Europe was profoundly affected by the disappearance of the Radhanites. For example, documentary evidence indicates that many spices in regular use during the early Middle Ages completely disappeared from European tables in the 10th century. Jews had previously, in large parts of Western Europe, enjoyed a virtual monopoly on the spice trade.

    Some have speculated that a collection of 11th century Jewish scrolls discovered in a cave in Afghanistan’s Samangan province in 2011 may be a “leftover” of the Rhadanites, who had mostly disappeared by the 11th century.

    Reading this history, is a good indication that we are not given the big picture of the history of the world, only glimpses for agendas.

  316. @The Dark Night

    You are publishing on a Jewish site now.

  317. Robjil says:

    Here is more about why Poland was the center of the Jewish Diaspora for many centuries.

    http://polishfreedom.pl/en/document/a-general-privilege-for-the-jews-in-greater-poland-the-statue-of-kalisz

    Issued in 1264 by Bolesław Pobożny (Boleslaus the Pious), Duke of Wielkopolska (Greater Poland), this charter of liberties for the Jews – known as the Statute of Kalisz – was modeled on earlier rights extended to Jews in Bohemia, Austria, and Hungary. Composed of thirty-six articles, the Statute regulated matters of jurisdiction over the Jewish population, the rules for the credit and trade activities pursued by the Jews, and their relations with Christians. It brought order to the basic economic, organizational, and cultural/religious issues shared by all the Jewish communities within Wielkopolska. Initially, the Statute of Kalisz was binding only in Wielkopolska. However, it was later confirmed by King Kazimierz III Wielki (Casimir III the Great), who in 1334 extended it to all Jews in the Kingdom of Poland. As a result, Poland – and later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita) – became the early modern era’s greatest (if only numerically) center for the Jewish diaspora, for the reason that it guaranteed exceptionally advantageous conditions for life and for cultivating Judaism and Jewish customs.

  318. utu says:
    @Robjil

    What if one correlates Black Death occurrence with trade centers and Jewish population? It is a far reaching hypothesis but some people thought such thoughts that as Jews were being evicted in Western Europe the Black Death occurred but not as much in Poland where many of them were moving in 14 century. Basically why if Jews had something to do with spreading the disease?

    • Agree: Robjil
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  319. Robjil says:
    @utu

    It is very strange that Poland was not effected since Black Death came from Eastern Europe.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/teeth-tell-black-death-genetic-tale/

    The researchers then reconstructed the genomes of the plague bacteria from different sites. Based on the location of the most ancestral strain of bacteria, they think the pathogen most likely first arrived in eastern Europe before spreading rapidly across the rest of the continent. But as it dispersed, Spyrou says, it picked up just a single genetic mutation.

  320. John Wear says:

    Laurent Guyenot,

    This is a minor point, but Sigmund Freud was born May 6, 1856. Therefore, the date in the caption “Sigmund and his father Jacob in 1854” is clearly wrong.

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  321. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Any research done into how many tens of millions of Russians are scarred because their ancestors enduredterror of the Cheka, the NKVD or of the KGB?

    Даже Ke-Ge-Be? Vova’s very own auspicious incubator? Sheesh. But naturally the Okhrana gets a pass from you. (Hint: They had some Jewish members too, so no reason for you to go so easy on them.)
    Well, the fact that there are still TENS of millions of Russians around to be scarred kind of answers your question, doesn’t it? (Hint: the Jewish millions have only just recently reentered into the TEENS.) Also, does this scarring perchance happen to entail consuming liquid substances known to result in serious liver damage?

    How about the number of Poles and Lithuanians who had their DNA altered by cruel overlords?

    Are you coyly referring to droit du seigneur/jus primae noctis/getting the first dibs on or to something else entirely? The rightful heirs of said overlords themselves probably ended up in the wilderness of Siberia eventually anyway, courtesy of those same NKVD you just impugned. I suppose no good deed goes unpunished round these parts. Cruel indeed.

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