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Immigration patriots are fighting back against Donald Trump’s dalliance with a DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals] Amnesty, and there’s evidence they’re having the predicted impact. But in the furor, the H-1B “temporary” worker program has been pushed to the background. Patriots need to keep their eyes on this program as well.

Most VDARE.com readers are aware of the H-1B visa program that employers use to replace Americans with cheap, foreign workers, mostly from India. The only thing that stands between H-1B and a complete disaster for American workers is the annual quota of 85,000 visas a year—plus unlimited to universities, for a total of about 130,000 a year. My estimate: about a third of H-1B recipients usually end up staying permanently (more illegally), Bu tit’s hard to say because (typically) the Federal government has failed to monitor the program.

The H-1B program is such a great scam for employers that demand has grown for the past five years. In 2017, employers made 199,000 H-1B applications for those 85,000 visas. But this was actually down from 236,000 in 2016, perhaps because of a “Trump Effect”—the fear that rules might actually be enforced under Trump. [H-1B visa applications decline for first time in 5 years, by Sara Ashley O’Brien, CNNTech, April 17, 2017]

USCIS [United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] has to use a lottery to allocate the visas. And, needless to say, immigration lawyers and industry lobbyists have sought to remove the limits altogether, in bills like the so-called Gang of 8 “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” and the “Immigration Innovation” I-Squared Act, pushed by Senator Orrin Hatch among others. (CITE). They have all been defeated so far.

While there has been little tangible from the Trump Administration yet, clearly industry fears major changes coming to the H-1B cheap labor gravy train.

The Trump White House has directly criticized the program. During a press briefing at the White House this spring, a “Senior Administration Official” directly called out Tata, Infosys, and Cognizant for flooding the H-1B lottery. [Background Briefing on Buy American, Hire American Executive Order, April 17, 2017]

The stock prices for these largest users of H-1B visas were promptly sent “reeling”. [Infosys and TCS Face Work-Visa Woes, By Daniel Shane, Barrons, April 22, 2017]

To be fair to President Trump, he cannot do unilaterally what is necessary fully to address the H-1B mess—that requires Congress. However, there are a large number of things that he can do through Executive Action to crack down on abuse—for example, reducing the maximum term of an H-1B visa from six years to one year.

We don’t know what President Trump is actually considering. But we do have some guidance.

A couple of weeks after the deadline to enter this year’s lottery, President Trump finally released his executive order on H-1B visas. A draft executive order [PDF]had been leaked in January.

The H-1B section of the executive order was quite short and far from specific:

Sec. 5. Ensuring the Integrity of the Immigration System in Order to “Hire American.” (a) In order to advance the policy outlined in section 2(b) of this order, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Labor, and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall, as soon as practicable, and consistent with applicable law, propose new rules and issue new guidance, to supersede or revise previous rules and guidance if appropriate, to protect the interests of United States workers in the administration of our immigration system, including through the prevention of fraud or abuse. [Emphasis added]

Responses to President Trump’s actions on H-1B fell split between the glass-half-empty and the glass-half-full perspectives. S en. Dick Durbin (D-IL) and the IEEE-USA fall into the former category CITES. They focused on the Executive Order’s call to study the problem rather than directing the agencies to take specific steps.

The IEEE-USA’s response was particularly scathing.

“The administration doesn’t want people to notice that they didn’t do anything real,” said H-1B critic Russ Harrison, director of government relations for IEEE-USA, an organization of American tech workers. “The president was pretty clear he was going to do something about H-1B and he didn’t.”

[H-1B visas targeted by Trump administration,, By Hiawatha Bray, Boston Globe, April 4, 2017]

Professor Norm Matloff, a long-time H1-B critic and a brave if critical friend of VDARE.com, falls somewhere in the middle. He was concerned that the Indian companies are being blamed to the exclusion of American companies, such as Intel and Qualcomm, that abuse H-1B as well [The President’s Executive Order, NormSaysNo, April 19, 2017]

Matloff specifically raised the issue that there has been no mention of the OPT guestworker program. OPT was created entirely though regulation and, stretching the term “student” past its breaking point, allows aliens to work on student visas for up to three years after they graduate.

Meanwhile, there was celebration in the glass-half-full camp. Donald Trump is the first president to even raise the issue of tackling H-1B abuse. Simply telling the agencies to do something is more positive action than any previous president has done on H-1B.

One H-1B critic was quoted on Trump’s action: “This is what we elected him for” [H-1B Experts on Trump’s Order: ‘This Is What We Elected Him For,’ by John Binder, Breitbart, April 18, 2017]

Another factor in the favor of the glass-half-full view: the president does not command the regulatory process like a drill sergeant. When a drill sergeant calls “To the rear—march!” the platoon instantly changes direction in unison. But when a president calls for visa reform, it requires sending in an army of lawyers to untangle many pages of regulations.

The Department of Homeland Security regulations governing H-1B are about 60 pages and many parts are highly technical. The Department of Labor’s H-1B regulations are twice as long. As Trump’s Executive Order indicates, control over H-1B is spread over three other departments: Justice, State, and Labor. The changes have to be coordinated among four departments. Then they have to go through the lengthy public notice-and-comment process.

But another bump in the road for employers in search of cheap foreign workers: USCIS suspended Premium Processing for H-1B visas during the April visa rush. In return for an extra $1,225 fee, USCIS would promise to make a decision on an H-1B petition within 15 days. Immigration lawyers figured out that premium processing was a good way to avoid scrutiny of petitions. About 60% of H-1B petitions included premium processing.

Do the math here. After USCIS does the lottery, it has over 50,000 petitions to process within 15 days. In past years, USCIS just got out the rubber stamp and an inkpad. That is going to stop this year—which has industry’s panties in a twist [U.S. Immigration Agency Will Lose Millions Because It Can’t Process Visas Fast Enough, by Marcelo Rochabrun, ProPublica, April 7, 2017

After the annual visa rush was over, USCIS resumed the availability of premium processing.

Still, there is only so much President Trump can do on his own—unless he decides to become an Obama-like dictator who ignores the immigration laws. Most of what needs to change in H-1B requires an act of Congress. And for a quarter-century, Congress has steadfastly refused to address any problems in H-1B. In fact, each time Congress has touched H-1B, it has only made its problems even worse.

Trump’s biggest problem: not the Democrats—but the buffoons in the Republican party. Where Obama could count on the support of the Democrats for his agenda, Republicans in Congress have been working to undermine Trump on H-1B.

Thus Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) represents a district in Southern California where many of his constituents were replaced by H-1B workers at Southern California Edison. [Darrell Issa: ‘Deeply Disturbing’ So. Cal. Edison Abusing H-1B Visas to Replace Americans with Guest Workers, By Tony Lee, Breitbart, February 7, 2015. In response, Congressman Issa introduced a bill he claims will “stop outsourcing of American jobs.”

Don’t believe it.

Congressman Issa represents everything Republican voters have come to expect from their party. His bill (H.R.170 – Protect and Grow American Jobs Act) does absolutely nothing at all. Rather than reforming H-1B, it is designed to hijack and emasculate H-1B reform. If the Republican leadership had passed this bill, they would have claimed to the voters that they did something “to fix” H-1B. Then they will go to their corporate masters and tell them they did nothing on H-1B, please give us cash.

The tech industry lined up behind Issa’s “reform” bill precisely because it does nothing. The Main Stream Media cheerleads:

Representative Darrell Issa, a California Republican, has proposed a bill to raise the minimum salary for H-1B visa workers from $60,000 to $100,000, with automatic increases tied to inflation. Issa said that will protect US workers from being displaced by cheaper H-1B employees.

[Tech sector bracing for next move from Trump, on worker visas, by Curt Woodward, Boston Globe, January 13, 2017. Emphasis added]

There is no minimum salary for H-1B workers! But this has not stopped news outlets around the country from repeating this claim without doing any independent checking or reporting.

On the Senate side, the aging Orrin Hatch plans to reintroduce his I-Squared Act. The previous version of the bill would have effectively removed all limits on the number of H-1B visas disguised as “Market Based Caps.” But under Hatch’s bill, when the H-1B cap gets reached, the cap….automatically gets larger! [S.153 – I-Squared Act of 2015] This is a convoluted and dishonest way to remove the cap.

At the same time Sen. Hatch’s bill does not even pretend to do anything about abuse. Michelle Malkin and John Miano, in their book Sold Out, says American workers should call Hatch’s bill the “I’m Screwed Act.”

Sen. Hatch also says that he “can serve as a bridge between the President and Silicon Valley” [Orrin Hatch: I can be a bridge for H-1B visa reforms, by Orrin Hatch, East Bay Times, March 30, 2017] Translation: Hatch can introduce Trump to the same sources of bribe money that now own the Utah senator.

Nothing positive is going to happen without public participation. President Trump may have the best of intentions here. But the natural flow of gravity in Washington is to undermine positive change. You can be sure that the industry lobbyists and immigration lawyers are going to take part in the rulemaking process. The rest of the public needs to stand up and take part also:

  • Unite: join groups that are battling for working Americans on the immigration front.
  • Donate: even it is a small amount, contribute to those who are in the fight.
  • Write: let your members of Congress and local newspapers know how you stand in immigration issues.
  • Vote: Stay informed: go beyond the “drive-by” media read sources like VDare.com that cut through the bull.

Ned Stark [Email him] is an assistant professor of mechanical engineering at a Southern university where he pretends to be a progressive while he awaits tenure. He is a closet cigar aficionado and dog lover. He and his wife share their house with two beagles named Stonewall and Beauregard.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Numinous says:

    You guys really don’t believe in the free market, do you?

    • Replies: @TG
    , @Dump Trump
    , @Thomm
  2. wayfarer says:

    “U.S. Jewish Groups Vow to Fight Trump Decision to Cancel DACA”
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/US-Jewish-groups-vow-to-fight-Trump-decision-to-cancel-DACA-504328

    “Jews Mobilize to Defend Dreamers after Trump Ends DACA”
    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381869/jews-mobilize-to-defend-dreamers-after-trump-ends-daca/

    “Save DACA: We U.S. Jews Won’t Let Trump End the American Dream”
    http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.810757

    ” We Jews Were Once Dreamers. We Must Stand Up for DACA.”
    http://forward.com/opinion/381879/we-jews-were-once-dreamers-we-must-stand-up-for-daca/

    “U.S. Jewish Groups Blast Trump’s Decision to Scrap ‘Dreamers’ Program as ‘Cruel, Unnecessary’”
    http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.810748

    • Replies: @ANON
    , @Anon
  3. TG says:
    @Numinous

    As regards numinous: no I don’t believe in the ‘free’ market. But yes, I do.

    I don’t believe in a world that is a jungle, where rich people can do whatever they choose, where people are cattle to be bought and sold for profit, where everything including law and nationhood and truth is for sale to the highest bidder. Morality and patriotism and decency and ethics matter also. You disagree, really?

    But I do believe in the market: nobody beats supply and demand, not even people with ‘skills.’

    A nation is a form of limited partnership, exactly like a family only on a larger scale. We agree to band together for our mutual benefit in a large and hostile world, where a gaggle of disconnected individuals would simply be swallowed up and exterminated by other organized groups. If we manage to create a decent place to live, where the natural rate of wages is higher than subsistence, then we are entitled to keep these benefits to ourselves and our fellow citizens – just as you are entitled to keep your earnings for yourself and your family.

    In Yankee Stadium, hotdogs are like $10 each. Why can’t someone just walk in off the street and start selling them for $1 each? Because the market for hotdogs in Yankee Stadium didn’t just happen. Hot dogs in Yankee Stadium don’t sell for $10 because they are special or have ‘skills.’ They sell for that because the owners of Yankee Stadium have worked hard to create a market where you can get $10 for a hot dog. Unless you think this is somehow anti-free-market.

    And if Americans have created a labor market where ordinary people can get $20 an hour for honest labor – by not having more children than they can afford to support, by hewing to the rule of law, by shedding blood in defense, etc., – they are entitled to this. Just as the owners of stock in a company are entitled to the dividends. Allowing others to come in and take our jobs, is stealing, is dilution of the valuable property that is citizenship. Sure, the right people could make a lot of money going into Yankee Stadiuma nd selling hotdogs for $1 each. And in the short run it would be nice to have $1 hot dogs. But soon the Stadium market would be no more, at least not in its present form.

    And yes, there really can be too many people with ‘skills.’

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/02/yes-there-can-be-too-many-smart-people.html

    • Replies: @Numinous
    , @1182
  4. Heymrguda says:

    Several years ago I too was in a position where I had to train somebody from India as my replacement for an IT job with a major iNternational company.
    The impression I got was that was that we yanks ought to step aside and let others take over the jobs, but we’re still expected to consume all or most of the goods, whether they be ford Fusions from Mexico or iPhones from china.
    To paraphrase the late, great James Douglas Morrison: “back there in business school was a student who put forth the proposition …. that the USA could, by itself, make the entire world prosperous … could make the entire world prosperous …….
    THE USA CANNOT MAKE THE ENTIRE WORLD PROSPEROUS!

  5. Che Guava says:

    The good and important article for your united states.

    When on more unsavoury US ‘net centred sites, was seeing many people with coding and ‘net standards skills, in ‘flyover country’, troll sites (in the fun sense, not like trolls here, fun) many were very talented … but only to getting paid work on fast food, convenience shops, if lucky, hardware or tool shops.

    H1-B is a crime by the US state and corporate culture against such people!

    TG, overpriced hot-dogs are not the result of creating a market, but of exploiting a captive market. If they are to wanting to selling hot dogs for crazy prices, they should be using especially good ingredients, better sausages, etc., am sadJy aware that many US people are addicted to soggy ‘bread’, but at ten dollars each, offering good bread as a choice may be expected. It is an ugly thing, having no first-hand experience, but have read about it before.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  6. anarchyst says:

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    Henry Ford realized that paying people a decent wage would come back to reward him immensely. Of course, the wall street banksters howled in protest, stating that Ford’s high wages would “destroy capitalism” as they knew it…Henry Ford mistrusted banks and knew of their destructive potential. His writings have stated as such.

    Henry Ford had a great part in establishing a “middle class” and was instrumental in helping quell the “class warfare” that was evident in other parts of the world.
    Our present “race to the bottom” with the implementation of the fraudulent H-1b visa program has made native-born Americans second-class citizens in our own country. The “pointy-headed intellectuals” in our “business schools”, colleges and universities have lost sight of the fact that a well-functioning economy requires a consumer base that is able to afford the consumer products available to them. It helps to have the products produced by the very consumers that eventually purchase them…in today’s business schools, the stockholder is looked upon as the one entity that must be “stroked” at all costs…the balance that is required for an economic system to flourish is ignored…a well-functioning economic system is like a three-legged stool that requires consumer/employees, investors/consumers.employees, and financial backers, also consumers,employees,investors to properly function. Take the employees out of the equation (with the siren song of cheap imports) and you have the mess that we are in today…

    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Stan d Mute
  7. jim jones says:

    I see that Toys R Us has declared bankruptcy, looks like the Chinese didn`t make their stuff cheap enough:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41316205

  8. DB Cooper says:

    The H-1B program is a joke. The vast majority of these so called ‘talented’ people from India are basically scam artist with dubious degree and fake credentials. They get to work because body shops such as Infosys and others get contracts from large companies and hire exclusively Indians to fill the jobs. The thing about IT and programming is that unlike manufactured goods the low quality of the products cannot easily be seen until disaster stuck and then they move on and prey on another gullible companies.

    Check out this link from people who are in the know on what is going on:

    http://www.techinsurgent.com/default.aspx

    http://www.indiots.rocks/

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Thomm
    , @Heros
  9. botazefa says:
    @anarchyst

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day. This was done in order to stabilize his workforce, but was also done as Ford believed that his workers should be able to afford his products.

    Henry Ford was no social justice warrior angling to build an American middle class. Ford paid his workers $5/day so that he’d have a stable workforce that would be likely to buy his cars. This is an entirely different motivational framework than a belief in the right of his workers to have the ability to afford Ford products.

    Business owners are not altruists looking to improve the lives of workers. They are engaged in fine and worthy pursuits that benefit us all, but they certainly aren’t doing it for us.

    Exhibit 1: Donald Trump ran for President to improve his brand, which is the only thing he sells. While President, he continues to sell his brand. Any good consequence accruing to the citizens of the US are merely coincidental.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  10. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Thank you for this list. It’s very important for those who care about their country to know who’s trashing it in every way possible, ongoing. The THIEVES doing the damage couldn’t care less about those they’re using to do the dirty work either.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  11. @Numinous

    In a true free market, wages would rise if demand exceeds supply. But thanks to scams like the H1b, we now have endless supply of third world labor, so wages will never rise. Year after year we read about the curious phenomenon of low unemployment with stagnant wages. Why do you think that is? It’s because of endless supply of third world labor! Only fools and weasels profiting directly from this scheme continue to support this visa, like employers, HR people, staffing agencies, property developers and real estate agents.

    Trump has done absolutely nothing on H1b since he started. Immigration was the main reason I voted for him, along with the no-more-wars foreign policy he espoused. He has basically gone against everything he promised. His entire admin has been hijacked by libtard Jews like Javanka and Goldman Sachs. Trump will go down as the biggest liar in the history of world politics. He likes superlatives so he’ll be the biggest FAIL.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  12. Numinous says:
    @TG

    Just talking number and not morals: a high wage economy cannot return to America without a moderate amount of growth, or at least stability. Because if American goods cannot be sold abroad, there isn’t going to be enough revenue coming in to pay high wages (or any wages) to those workers. And if the US goes protectionist all the way, other countries are going to reciprocate and US companies aren’t going to be able to sell much abroad. The high-wage economy you are referring to came about in a peculiar set of circumstances, when America’s position vis a vis most of the world was one of overwhelming advantage. More than half of the rest of the world after WW2 shot itself in both feet by adopting stupid socialist (or communist) economics, thereby crippling their growth prospects. That situation doesn’t exist now.

    The Yankees Stadium still has a monopoly over the product it provides to its patrons, so the analogy doesn’t apply.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  13. anarchyst says:
    @botazefa

    I think you are confusing business owners who actually produce things (Ford) vs. the “wall street” business owners (and banksters who produce nothing) that chew up productive business by dismantling them for their intrinsic value. Looking through Ford’s writings, as he was born “dirt poor”, he did possess a certain amount of (somewhat) paternalistic altruism.
    The attentive, honest business owner does look out for the interests of his employees, as they are part of the business equation, something that is lost in most businesses (and business schools) today.
    Regards,

  14. Thomm says:
    @Numinous

    White Nationalists are always left-wing in their economic views (as untalented, unintelligent people tend to be).

    But the free market would not involve H1-Bs. The free market would mean immigrants are paid market wages. The H1-B can be paid low wages only by stripping him of rights and making him almost a slave to the employer (if the employer terminates him, he has to leave the country).

    • Replies: @Wally
  15. Thomm says:
    @Dump Trump

    Immigration was the main reason I voted for him,

    Trump openly said he is not opposed to LEGAL immigration. Even his proposed reforms to the H1-B program would only police the greatest abuses (workers at 1/10th the market wage). Not H1-Bs hired by Apple and Google who are paid $140K instead of $150K that an American would get.

    You thought Trump was going to clamp down on LEGAL immigration? Sucker!!!!!

  16. Thomm says:
    @DB Cooper

    Some H1-B issues certainly violated laws. But you seem to think that this applies to the entire Indian-American community.

    That is false. They are in fact the highest income group in the US, bar none, and this has been true for 40 years.

    I understand that White Nationalists don’t know how to read graphs and charts, but for others who are interested, to say H1-Bs are the entire Indian ethnicity is like saying that WNs with negro IQs who can’t get a white woman to save their lives, are representative of the white ethnicity (nothing could be further from the truth).

  17. Thomm says:
    @DB Cooper

    http://www.indiots.rocks/

    Your link doesn’t even work! You lack this basic competence to complete the simplest of tasks, yet think you deserve a job in the American labor market? You seem surprised that third worlders outperform you, when your incompetence indicates that this is in fact meritocracy at work.

    I would say that WNs have negro IQs, but DB Cooper has demonstrated something even lower than that (even a negro would check a link before posting it). DB Cooper is apparently even below Negro IQ.

    Heh heh

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  18. wayfarer says:
    @ANON

    As a “kid” I spent many years working construction, sunup to sundown, in Southern California. Helped rough frame lots of track/custom homes. I loved the work, even though it beat the crap out of your body.

    Remembered showing up to construction sites at dawn, and it’d be a crew of colorful characters, skilled carpenters from Alabama, Washington, Florida, Colorado, all corners of America.

    Fast forward, and I remember showing up to construction sites, and it’d be a rabble of lazy drag-ass illegals. That’s when I decided to walk away from that trade.

    The coked-out generals were all a bunch of cut-throat pirates, anyway. “You wanna work? Good go to work, but if you get hurt, it’s on you dude!”

  19. wayfarer says:
    @wayfarer

    Hope the universe doesn’t mind an insignificant modification.

    “The generals were all a bunch of coked-out cut-throat pirates, anyway.”

  20. Thomm says:
    @Numinous

    The Yankees Stadium still has a monopoly over the product it provides to its patrons, so the analogy doesn’t apply.

    That’s right. They think that a monopoly that treats a captive audience is a ‘free market’.

    WN is a very left-wing ideology (and hence is very un-American).

  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Behind every illegal there’s a Jew.

    Substitute “illegal” for angry black, criminal, drug addict, welfare queen, single mom, antifa, rebel rouser, gender confused SJW, general loser and the statement holds true.

    • Replies: @ANON
  22. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The US economy has been gradually turning into a two tier economy for some time now. Ever since the Indian scammers came in to fix the Y2k bug and never left, we’ve been heading in that direction. In the tech industry, ever fewer employees are now blue badge(full time). Companies like Microsoft used to do lower level functions like software testing and tech support in-house, but now most of those functions have been outsourced, to companies like Infosys, TCS etc. who bring in low skilled, under qualified graduates of sub par Indian colleges to do the work for 1/3 to 1/2 the salaries of a blue badge employee.

    The majority of H1b visas go to this latter group of low skilled tech workers. The top 5 tech firms themselves (Apple, Google, FB, Amzn, Msft) use no more than 2,000 to 3,000 of the H1b visa for their blue badge hires each year – not each, but in total. The top 10 H1b users are all outsourcing firms, 7 of which are Indian, the remaining 3 are US in name only – IBM, Accenture and Deloitte.

    By his own admission the founder of Infosys said that <25% of graduates of Indian colleges are even employable. Even those who are employed had to be put through 6 months of intensive training before they could be deployed to the US. Why aren't these Indian companies hiring and training American graduates instead? Up to 55% of our college grads since 2009 are either unemployed or underemployed in dead end jobs. We need to make these outsourcing firms hire and train US workers, by simply not allowing these firms to use the H1b, L1, or B1 visas to bring in workers directly from abroad.

    We should also raise its fee to $100,000 per visa. Use the money to step up workplace inspection to prevent frauds, to secure the border, and to fund US citizens to study Computer Science and Computer Engineering.

    Another visa we must cancel is the the Optional Practical Training or OPT. Stupid Obama extended this Bush stupidity from 12 to 29 months. This visa actually gives US employers tax incentives to hire foreign grads — of any major — ahead of our own grad, giving them the crucial entry level experience that propels them to full time positions later on. This stupidity must end.

    Trump's "Buy American, hire American" has turned out to be yet another big fat lie, like everything else he promised on the campaign trail. I don't even know how this man can look himself in the mirror every day.

  23. DB Cooper says:
    @Thomm

    You keep on bragging that Indians in America has the highest income. But can you provide one study that shows that Indians are on par with the rest of the world in terms of cognitive ability?

    I have yet to see one study that shows that Indians are on average as smart as they claim themselves to be. On the other hand studies over studies have shown that Indian perform dismally in whatever subjects that need brain power. The only thing that Indians are good at are spelling bees competition. I can give them that.

    • Replies: @Mark Presco
  24. Frolo says:

    Why should we? National Socialism is the best system

  25. Thomm says:

    You keep on bragging that Indians in America has the highest income.

    Bragging? It is an objective fact. Ask someone with an IQ above 90 to explain that chart to you.

    Regarding India, I don’t care. I care about demonstrated track record on the level playing field of America. Indians are the most successful of all in the US. But even India has the same prosperity that Eastern Europe had about 15 years ago, at any rate. Being 15 years behind is hardly a permanent low.

    I have yet to see one study that shows that Indians are on average as smart as they claim themselves to be.

    Again, that chart I posted (included here again) indicates that they (a community of 4 million people) are doing well here, which refutes all your claims about how they are ‘frauds’ and ‘do jobs for low wages’.

    You have yet to explain why Indians are the highest-income group in the US, bar none.

    It is pretty obvious that you don’t know how to read a chart (something 6th graders are taught). Maybe ask someone to explain the chart to you, so you can understand what is portrayed.

    • Replies: @yeah
  26. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @DB Cooper

    I have worked with Indian engineers in the USA and Singapore, and I am not impressed. I was hired by a design center based in Singapore to get a microprocessor development program back on track. The 4 Chinese and 3 Indian engineers didn’t know how to proceed. I finished up the architecture and supervised the detailed design. Look at under Computers and Graphics here:

    http://myplace.frontier.com/~mpresco/index.htm

    The average IQ in India is 82, so the only way to account for the high average in this country is that we have succeeded in cherry picking. These people are needed far more in India than here. Who has the greater responsibility, we white people to provide them a first world quality of life, or these achievers to help raise the quality of life for their own people? Until India becomes a first world country, they victimize the world by failing to become equal partners of the “International Community”. These Indians who have fled the third world cesspool they have made of their part of the world are self serving scumbags out to benefit no one but themselves.

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
  27. Thomm says:

    The average IQ in India is 82, so the only way to account for the high average in this country is that we have succeeded in cherry picking.

    I have wondered about that.

    The Indians who come to the US are not the topmost people there, as people who are already rich in India have no reason to leave. Their best engineering school, the Indian Institute of Technology, used to see almost all of them come to the US, but now under a third do. The rest voluntarily stay in India, so the percentage of Indians who could earn high incomes in America, but yet choose to stay in India, is high.

    Plus, Indians are successful in Canada, Australia, etc. as well. Not just the US. They went to Africa and started generating vast wealth even from that hellhole that Idi Amin behaved like a White Nationalist* and confiscated Indian property before kicking them out.

    The rest of your comment is strange. Apparently, people who relocate for a better life are ‘scumbags’ (which means your ancestors who came here were too). In fact, Indians overseas remit over $70B/year to India, which you certainly were not aware of.

    I care about America, so I want more skilled immigrants irrespective of nation. But some nations tend to be very heavily represented among skilled immigrants.

    Lastly, I remind you that white variance is very high, and successful whites like me are tired of carrying the loser WNs. If WNs were given land and told to make their own country, it would be worse than Haiti (and a sausage-fest to boot, unless we throw in the fat bluehaired feminists who are the female counterparts to WN males in the genetic wastebasket faction).

    *White Nationalists and Negros have similar IQs.

  28. DB Cooper says:
    @Thomm

    “I care about America, so I want more skilled immigrants irrespective of nation.”

    The overwhelming majority of Indians are not skilled at all. They are scam artist with dubious degrees and fake credentials. They come to America to escape the hell hole that is India.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  29. yeah says:
    @Thomm

    You make out so much by flaunting that chart of yours, but you disregard (wilfully or out of ignorance) one basic fact underlying that chart: the high achieving Indians are easily explained by the concentration of a very select sub-stratum of the overall Indian population in it. These guys are mostly the cream of India (elite colleges, elite families). They represent the top 1 to 3% of the Indian population. Read up on basic statistical theory, especially the concepts of normal distribution, mean, standard deviation, area under the curves at the right/left boundaries and such, and then blabber about charts and statistics. With some knowledge (and wisdom) you will understand why it has been said, “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” when statistical reasoning is employed by politicians, salesmen, and the ignorant.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @Thomm
  30. LauraMR says:

    If only we had something to offer in order to justify being more expensive to hire…

    Damn foreigners and competitive markets!!!

  31. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    Well said! Thanks again.

  32. DB Cooper says:
    @Thomm

    Not only do Indians take away jobs from the Americans in the process they left behind a trail of companies destroyed. Indians has made a name for themselves as being bad in the IT industries. I am sure you can find some who are good, but the overwhelming majorities of them are very bad. Here is a selected list of companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor. This list is compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    [MORE]

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
  33. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Every word you suggest substituting for “Jew” can be traced to movements and changes led/brought about, encouraged, by these usual suspects, masters of deception, who’ve been very busy and persistent for eons creating a self-serving “NWO” (What’s new about masters and slaves?). Who brought ‘Cultural Marxism’ into public education, degrading and destroying it; changed U.S. immigration law in 1965 by duping the public (would never happen to “Israel”)… and the political scene – who’s been doing so much damage, ongoing, not only to the U.S. and the M.E. but the world at large? https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/?

    Those who need and want to know will. Fortunately more do now, waking up late may still be better than never.

    • Replies: @ANON
  34. @anarchyst

    Henry Ford paid his people $5.00 per day, when the average wage was about $1.50 per day.

    Ford paid $2.40 a day plus $2.60 “profit sharing” contingent on things like learning English, hygiene, work ethic, etc. His objective was to inoculate his labor against rampant communist unionists who found easier prey in Detroit’s immigrant heavy workforce than among natives.

    Ford’s issues with Jews were cultural (support for communism, smut, etc) and financial (his attacks on German Jewish bankers etc). Ford was a fairly simple man, poorly educated, but fiercely loyal to his people (ie American founding stock farmers). Look into his Edison Institutes.

    Ford Motor is today the only major US automaker still headquartered in its hometown. GM shat on Flint and Chrysler was sold first to the Germans and now the Italians. The Ford/Firestone family has retained Henry’s paternalistic impulses to some extent with all the major family players still in the Detroit area along with HQ, engineering, etc.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  35. @yeah

    How many castes are there in India again? Lots of high achievers among the untouchables I suppose…

  36. @Thomm

    You left a reply to the post instead of the specific comment you meant to reply to. You lack this basic competence to complete the simplest of tasks, yet you think we should care about your thoughts on labor economics?

    Nobody else in this thread is talking about white nationalism. You brought it up, and you keep harping on it. Your trolling is substandard.

  37. Thomm says:
    @yeah

    I think Ron Unz said that it is more like the top 20% of India. It is certainly not as low as 1-3%.

    Remember that there was a time when almost all grads of their IIT came to the US (and went to grad school at MIT or Stanford). Now, only a third come to America, because their opportunities are better.

    Plus, why would that be more true of India than China? By your logic, the Chinese should be outperforming Indians in the US, but are not. You are claiming only India sends their elites here, but other countries like China, Iran, and Pakistan do not.

    You have not provided sufficient evidence to explain their outperformance in the US, because it tends to bust all the oversimplified, childlike assumptions and beliefs of WNs.

    • Replies: @yeah
    , @Numinous
  38. @DB Cooper

    When these companies replace the workforce that built them with Indians, does it tend to occur around some big M&A event?

  39. Thomm says:
    @DB Cooper

    The overwhelming majority of Indians are not skilled at all. They are scam artist with dubious degrees and fake credentials. They come to America to escape the hell hole that is India.

    There is no proof of that. There are 4 million of them in America.

    Plus, you clearly don’t understand the chart, even though it is something a 6th-grader can interpret. Indians outperform all other groups. You just don’t have an explanation for that beyond what a 70-IQ wigger like you would say.

    Mark Presco’s point about ‘cherrypicking’ is probably much closer to the truth. But DumBoy Cooper is so incredibly innumerate that he can merely say something so completely illogical that is would be embarrassing for even a retard to say it.

    I mean, only one-third of the graduates from their best schools leave India. The ones that do get graduate degrees in the US (even though DumBoy Cooper says those are ‘fake degrees’ – yeah, MIT and Stanford are ‘fake’ to this faggot).

    But I will be satisfied if an illiterate wigger like DumBoy Cooper can demonstrate that he can even interpret the chart. I maintain that most WNs don’t know how to read graphs and charts, and DumBoy Cooper has proved this here today.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  40. rec1man says:

    California 2018 National Merit List
    ===

    Total = 2100

    Indians = 350

    Brahmins = 150

    Patels = 9

    Jat Sikhs = 5

    Untouchables = 6

    Forest Tribals = 2

    In India, Untouchables are 15%, Forest Tribals = 10%,
    Kulak Farmers ( Patels and Jat Sikhs ) = 30%
    Brahmins = 5%

    In the USA, Patels are richer than Brahmins, bcos, they own motels vs
    salaried jobs for Brahmins

    Key to Indian success in USA,
    1) Ban on pre-marital sex for women, no unwed mothers
    2) stay out of street crime,
    3) finish high school
    4) divorce very strongly discouraged, often face social boycott
    5) smoking, drinking, drugs strongly discouraged
    6) Extended family will fully fund college, provided the students dont date
    7) Thrift, will wear 0ld clothes, drive old car,
    stay together as extended families to save on rent
    avoid eating out, ball games, concerts,
    willing to go to local cheap State Univ, not expensive Ivy league
    8) partying , hanging out , strongly discouraged
    9) Insistence on STEM or Business degree, useless feel-good degrees strongly discouraged

    Brahmins migrate to escape affirmative action, in my home state of Tamil Nadu, a brahmin
    such as Sundar Pichai cant even get a govt school teacher job – the actual anti-brahmin quota is 100%

    • Replies: @Thomm
  41. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @ANON

    P.S.: to Anon:

    The words “for ‘Jew’” don’t belong in my comment – thought I’d removed them. Sorry for any confusion.

  42. Thomm says:
    @rec1man

    In the USA, Patels are richer than Brahmins, bcos, they own motels vs
    salaried jobs for Brahmins

    Key to Indian success in USA,
    1) Ban on pre-marital sex for women, no unwed mothers
    2) stay out of street crime,
    3) finish high school
    4) divorce very strongly discouraged, often face social boycott
    5) smoking, drinking, drugs strongly discouraged
    6) Extended family will fully fund college, provided the students dont date
    7) Thrift, will wear 0ld clothes, drive old car,
    stay together as extended families to save on rent
    avoid eating out, ball games, concerts,
    willing to go to local cheap State Univ, not expensive Ivy league
    8) partying , hanging out , strongly discouraged
    9) Insistence on STEM or Business degree, useless feel-good degrees strongly discouraged

    Sounds about right.

    In India, it seems that Parsees are very disproportionately rich as well. They are not Hindus.

    My understanding is that ‘Brahmins’ are not often wealthy, but rather the clergy, scholars, monks, etc.

    The businesspeople are the rich ones, but that is technically Caste #3 out of 4.

    Plus non-Hindi Indians (like Sikhs and Christians) are not part of a ‘caste’ at all.

  43. The H1-B program has nothing to do with the free market. It’s a total scam. It should be repealed immediately and replaced with nothing.

  44. @Thomm

    I have met a lot of smart sub-continentals during my engineering career. However, just as many of them are sub-standard, which underscores the primary purpose of H1-B, to hold down engineering wages to benefit the corporations.
    Likewise, if Indian-Americans are truly the country’s richest ethnic group, some of this is due to hard work and talent, but an equal proportion is due to graft and corruption.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  45. Thomm says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    I have met a lot of smart sub-continentals during my engineering career. However, just as many of them are sub-standard,

    I agree. This is true of all races and ethnicities.

    which underscores the primary purpose of H1-B, to hold down engineering wages to benefit the corporations.

    I agree. The entire program should be done away with. It is bad for domestic workers. It is really bad for the H1-B slaves, as they have zero power in relation to their employer.

    Plus, it taints the brand of one of the most successful immigrant groups ever (THE most successful on income levels alone). Why give these Nationalist-Leftist idiots a talking point to hide behind?

    some of this is due to hard work and talent, but an equal proportion is due to graft and corruption.

    Then why isn’t Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Pakistani, Filipino, etc. household income equally high? You seem to be claiming that Indians are singularly more corrupt than other groups (even Russians, Pakistanis, etc.).

  46. @Thomm

    “White Nationalists are always left-wing in their economic views (as untalented, unintelligent people tend to be).”

    “I understand that White Nationalists don’t know how to read graphs and charts”

    Ah, ad hominems. Truly the sign of a deep intellect.

    “They are in fact the highest income group in the US, bar none”

    Crack down on their massive rates of fraud and we’ll see about that. Insurance, medical, immigration, educational, etc. The US State Department even issued a memo warning about fraud in India. Ask any insurance adjustor, or go to work in an insurance company yourself.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  47. ” You seem to be claiming that Indians are singularly more corrupt than other groups (even Russians, Pakistanis, etc.).”

    They are.

    South Asian culture accepts lying and corruption as tactics that carry no moral opprobrium.

    I was lucky enough to work my first law job in a public sector insurance agency in a Canadian province. This was a mandatory agency. No private market, rather anyone who needed insurance had to come to us. We had a client base of X million people. Every single adult (over 18yo).

    We had a black ops division staffed with Urdu, Tamil, Hindi, Punjabi (etc) speakers. Why?

    The rates of fraud in those communities were 20-50x higher than for other groups.

    This is not a sample of the population. It IS the population. Every single adult in the province was a customer of this agency. Similar results were obtained when insurers in Ontario looked into medical fraud in car accidents.

    Again, ask anyone who has worked in insurance how much fun it is to work with Indians.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  48. Heros says:
    @DB Cooper

    Several years ago I was a contractor working for an auto part supply company when they announced that I was being replaced by a dark skinned and smelly Infosys employee. Although he was pleasant and cheerful he clearly had little experience or knowledge. This being a German speaking company and he being an “English” speaker, the entire company had difficulties translating his Indian-English to their German-English. The CTO expected me to stay on and train him until they decided he was up to snuff. I left at the end of the month, per the contract.

    A while later I heard that several more Infosys employees had arrived and replaced other long term employees and contractors. Needless to say the morale of the entire IT department had crashed. I have little doubt that the company is dependent on Indian contractors and now has a major struggle ahead to get the operation back under their own control.

    So as I follow the Awan brothers saga I constantly get those Deja-Vue willies. Its like an inverse Hotel California: The Roaches check in, but you can never check them out.

  49. yeah says:
    @Thomm

    If Indian engineers are so great, why it that India remains fairly low down in engineering accomplishments? How many new technologies, new inventions have you guys produced? How many Physicists, Mathematicians can you lay claim to? How many patents have emerged out of your cream science and engineering colleges? Why on earth does that country remain so filthy, disorganized, under-nourished, and generally so unlivable that the better educated ones want to migrate out? You were the first person to (unwisely) bring in racial matters in this debate around H1B visas. That debate involves US politics first and foremost.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  50. Thomm says:
    @jbwilson24

    Ah, ad hominems. Truly the sign of a deep intellect.

    Those are not ad hominems, those are facts. They are demonstrated on this thread alone. DB Cooper cannot read a graph to save his life, which was very visibly and indisputably demonstrated above.

    Crack down on their massive rates of fraud and we’ll see about that. Insurance, medical, immigration, educational, etc.

    Fraud is not reported on the normal 1040, which is what feeds the income stats. Are you really THIS stupid? Plus, you are effectively saying Indians commit this fraud at much greater rates than Chinese, Pakistanis, Iranians, Russians, etc.

    Like I said, thanks for proving that WNs have Negro IQs.

  51. Thomm says:
    @jbwilson24

    First you said :

    ” You seem to be claiming that Indians are singularly more corrupt than other groups (even Russians, Pakistanis, etc.).”

    They are.

    Then you said :

    South Asian culture accepts lying and corruption as tactics that carry no moral opprobrium.

    So you just demonstrated that you don’t know that Pakistan is in South Asian. Jesus Christ, WNs are retards.

    Plus, if the fraud rates were that high, it would be indicative in arrest stats. It is not. It takes about 10 seconds to look this up.

  52. Thomm says:
    @yeah

    I am a white American, you dumbass. But I hate WNs, because they represent the worst of everything.

    But I do like skilled immigrants a lot, and am a big fan of skilled Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Iranians, etc.

    BTW, to answer your question (since you are too lazy to go a 10-second Google Search), the inventions by India are many :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries

  53. Numinous says:
    @Thomm

    Remember that there was a time when almost all grads of their IIT came to the US (and went to grad school at MIT or Stanford). Now, only a third come to America, because their opportunities are better

    .

    With due respect, I don’t believe there was ever such a time. I went to one of the IITs in the 90s, and even at that time, we would hear of maybe a quarter to a third of students going abroad to graduate schools. And those students majored in cutting edge areas like Computer Science, expert in which were scarce in India. Now most of those who went did tend to go to good schools in the US like MIT and Stanford, so that stereotype is accurate; if one didn’t get admitted to a highly-ranked school with financial aid, one tended not to bother and find the best job they could in India.

    Also, the trope about these students being loaded or coming from elite families is nonsense. The IITs were completely meritocratic; you had to master high school Math and Science over a period of 2-3 years to have a prayer of answering any of the questions in what was a seriously rigorous set of exams. Most of us came from modest backgrounds; there were a significant number of JD Vance-types. We lived in very spartan surroundings, and those of us who came from any kind of money knew better than to flash it around.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  54. yeah says:

    “I am a white American, you dumbass. But I hate WNs, because they represent the worst of everything.”

    I share your like of skilled immigrants, the operative word being “skilled” and in sensible sizes. I have nothing against Indians, Chinese, Koreans; I like some of them, dislike some, like some of their national traits, dislike others, etc., etc.

    What I don’t like, for reasons of logic and respect for facts, are wholesale beliefs and strong views not based upon facts. As a person with some education in statistical methods, I saw through your much-vaunted chart and called you out.

    I don’t know how much first-hand knowledge you have about India and the other Asian countries that you much love; I have several years’ worth. These are not nice countries to be living in. Your Asian engineer or IT friends may be sharp and bright, but when you deal with people just one-level down in the educational/income scale, you will find yourself going several levels down the IQ scale. If you have to hire people (as I have had to) in these countries, especially in India, you will run into plenty of engineers who can’t change a light bulb, accountants whose reports you will fail to understand, and plenty, plenty of petty crooks. You will also encounter a culture of lying, basic absence of hygiene, filth and garbage strewn basically all over, etc. If you hate WN’s, just see how badly these people treat their own people of lower castes, how they loot and burn churches, how gruesome mass rapes are common events there. Your lungs will take six months to clear out the filth and smog that you will have acquired as a tourist souvenir. Try going to China to escape the bad air and filth of India, and you will find people walking around with nose masks to keep out the pollution. So if these guys are half as bright as they claim to be, how come they can’t fix their countries?

    Letting in whole swathes of people from all over the developing world may be good for some corporate bottom-lines, for the liberal’s touchy-feely, goody-goody approach to serious problems, and of course for the out of control, half-crazed, identity-obsessed loony left. But it is dangerous for America, harmful to its people, and a very big loss of human capital for countries so obviously lacking it. Basically, uncontrolled, unplanned immigration is bad, plain bad policy, plain bad economics, and bad humanitarianism as well. View the H1 visa issue in such a context.

    • Replies: @Another Realist
  55. I get that it’s hard to force people who have lived here their whole lives since they were kids to move “back” to a country that is as foreign to them as it is to the rest of us, and I can empathize with the rationale of giving them some sort of legal status. However, this must be done in a way so as not to encourage more of such law braking down the road. Trump is beyond stupid to not use DACA as a bargaining chip. At a minimum he should demand the following from Congress:

    1) A new constitutional amendment to nullify the 14th amendment. From now on all babies born in the US will only obtain citizenship if at least one parent is a citizen, otherwise they get a green card if at least one parent has a green card, or will only get a dependent visa if parents are here on any visa.

    2) A border wall, hiring of 10,000 additional ICE and border agents and beefed up high tech surveillance of all land and water borders.

    3) Cancel the Optional Practical Training. This insidious retarded program that gives tax incentives to US employers to hire foreign grads (of any major) must not be allowed to continue.

    4) Reduce the annual green card allotment to 250,000 a year for the next 20 years. Make English proficiency a requirement(non-negotiable) when applying for a green card.

    5) Up the EB-5 investor visa to $10 million and limit it to 1,000 a year(from 10,000), bar all current and former government officials of any country from ever receiving this visa. Either that or cancel it altogether.

    6) Cut the H1b visa to 25,000 a year (from the current 85,000) and raise the fee to $100,000 per visa.

    7) Cut the seasonal H2b visa to ZERO (from 66,000). Give these jobs to teenagers and urban unemployed.

    8) Cut the number of refugees to no more than 10,000 per year, and they must pass criminal background check, ideological, minimum skills and English proficiency tests.

    In exchange, we give the 800,000+ currently registered DACA people who can prove their date of entry conditional legal status (provided they didn’t break any criminal law), green card only, not eligible for citizenship for minimum 20 years so they can’t sponsor another 6m relatives in, and the Dems can’t get their votes. The green cards are only conferred after they pay back taxes if any is owed.

  56. Thomm says:
    @Numinous

    I pretty much agree. The racists claim that ‘only the very best Indians come to the US’, and that only 1-3% of India’s population is even smart enough to do a middle-class job in America. This is obviously not true. I think it is closer to 20%.

    I was under the impression that the Indians that came in the 70s and 80s were in fact the very best (I might be wrong, as you point out), but now it is more of a diverse mix of skillsets. Yet, that still hasn’t dragged Indians down from the top of the income perch in America.

    The notion that the Indians who come here are already rich is obviously false. Only a WN retard would say such a thing. The rich and well-connected in India have no reason to leave to be a corporate-job grunt in the US.

  57. @yeah

    Absolutely agree with every word. Parts of the Northeast and West coast feel more like Mexico, China, India, Pakistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines or Guatemala than the US. Most of these people come from a culture where rudeness, lying, cheating, law breaking, misogyny, general dog-eat-dog behavior is just fine. Their children who may have grown up here are brought up in the same culture and in time begin to rub off their culture on our kids.

    If our schools are still working as before, we would assimilate these children into the WASP culture of honesty, law-abidingness, good manners, civic mindedness, self-reliance, hard work, no children out of wedlock, punctuality, cleanliness next to Godliness, patriotism, serving one’s country etc. But thanks to the libtards running amok in our schools, these immigrant children are instead being inculcated into asserting their rotten cultural “heritage”. If their culture is so great, why are their societies so rotten? Why are they here?

    Until our schools stop with the identity politics nonsense and go back to assimilating kids rather than encouraging identity politics and victimhood culture, we need to curtail immigration from the third world period. In small numbers, we assimilate them, in large numbers, they assimilate us. The US is playing with a dangerous game. At this rate of immigration (3m a year) we are in danger of turning into a 3rd world hell hole within one generation. In 20 years we will be too far gone to turn back.

  58. Thomm says:

    At least everyone on this thread (including me) agrees that the H1-B program has to end.

    There is disagreement about what would happen if it did. I say the number of Indians immigrating here will be the same, but of a higher quality than now. Others incorrectly believe all Indian (and other Asian) immigration will be greatly reduce. This is certainly not the case. I think we will get a better mix of quality, weighted even more towards $150K+ earners and O-1 visa types.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  59. @wayfarer

    Two friends who were part-time real estate agents told me that they wouldn’t buy a house built after 1965 because they were shabbily built. Inferior construction materials and labor.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  60. Wally says:
    @Thomm

    “White Nationalists are always left-wing in their economic views”

    – Prove it.

    “as untalented, unintelligent people tend to be”

    – Like Black Nationalists, Brown Nationalists, & Yellow Nationalists?

    • Replies: @Thomm
  61. Wally says:
    @Thomm

    Please do check the source. LOL

    Indeed, Indians are so smart that they leave the 3rd world toilet they created, India, and flock to Euro-white majority countries.

  62. Thomm says:
    @Wally

    – Like Black Nationalists, Brown Nationalists, & Yellow Nationalists?

    Yes. All Nationalists tend to be stupid, mostly due to their left-wing economic views. That Nationalist-Leftists have socialist economic views is not seriously disputed either by them or their critics.

    Any questions?

  63. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    WNs with negro IQs who can’t get a white woman to save their lives,

    Sounds like someone I know.

  64. MarkinLA says:
    @Thomm

    Others incorrectly believe all Indian (and other Asian) immigration will be greatly reduce. This is certainly not the case. I think we will get a better mix of quality, weighted even more towards $150K+ earners and O-1 visa types.

    Another idiotic ignorant post by Thomm. O-1 visas are for people with exceptional talent and 150K income does not indicate exceptional talent. If H-1Bs were eliminated there is no other way to get in but an O-1 visa and most Indians would not qualify. A few professors and senior level scientists and engineers but that’s about it.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  65. Thomm says:
    @MarkinLA

    Another idiotic ignorant post by Thomm. O-1 visas are for people with exceptional talent and 150K income does not indicate exceptional talent.

    I said ‘and’, not ‘such as’, you stupid faggot.

    You lack comprehension of even the simplest English grammar. To say you have a Negro IQ is an insult to negros.

    At any rate, I know of corporate VPs who got in on O-1 Visa, so that means that O-1 visas are not merely limited to Nobel Laureates and movie stars.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  66. Thomm says:
    @Thomm

    O-1 Visas have risen to 83,000 a year. That is obviously not just ‘exceptional talent’ given the volume :

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/the-visa-for-people-officially-deemed-extraordinary/493130/

    So my statement was correct in the first place.

    It took 10 seconds to discover this data. The same would have taken MarkinLA a year, since he has exceptionally low intelligence. He tried to look smart, but ended up reminding us of his idiocy and faggotism. WNs truly are the wastebaskets through which waste matter is expunged by nature.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  67. MarkinLA says:
    @Thomm

    Yeah, moron, that includes people from all around the world such as visiting professors, physicians, famous musicians and even supermodels from Europe. I imagine India’s share to be about 100 which would be exactly the same if the H-1Bs were eliminated.

    You keep talking about faggots and blacks so often that I have to wonder, are you another one of those pathetic pajama boys who dreams constantly about the size of blacks dicks and wonders if you could take one? I bet you are.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  68. Thomm says:
    @MarkinLA

    I imagine India’s share to be about 100 which would be exactly the same if the H-1Bs were eliminated.

    I clearly said it would not be a like-like replacement. There would be a better tier of Indians (despite the fact that in aggregate, they are already the highest-income group in America).

    Anyway, you are far too stupid to do any real analysis. WN idiots don’t do math (as you proved).

  69. DB Cooper says:
    @Thomm

    The site http://www.indiots.rocks/ is up and running now! Everybody please check it out. Lots of good stuff there.

  70. wayfarer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    People are paying millions of dollars in Southern California for new custom/tract homes that are being banged out by crews of $10-per-hour green-card carpenters, who could care less about quality. Unaffordable homes for most part, which may last 50-years before mother nature’s law-of-entropy begins to get the best of them.

    There was a time when carpenters were akin to thoughtful geometers, master craftsman who for example built Victorian era homes that could remain sound structures for 150 years or more.

  71. PeteG says:

    DACA is a big Troy Horse, it will bring the destruction of America, in near future DACA will produce groups like ISIS.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Good article, but another point you forgot in this article, Ned. Many countries have ‘tax treaties’ with the US. In other words, many legal immigrants come here and work years without paying a dime in taxes (or pay reduced taxes). It’s obscene that the American taxpayer, who is already getting screwed by this system, now must pay the tax burden for them too. Particularly when you consider that immigrants disproportionately use the government systems (welfare, food stamps, etc) that are in place. Truly sick what these treasonous members of our government who are elected to serve the American people have concocted.

    • Replies: @Hieronymosofcardia
  73. @Anonymous

    Day laborers get paid in cash, and of course pay no income tax.

    Many countries have ‘tax treaties’ with the US. In other words, many legal immigrants come here and work years without paying a dime in taxes (or pay reduced taxes).

    But to my knowledge the vast majority of Green Card workers–and those illegals who still manage to use fake Social Security numbers–ALL PAY INCOME TAX. Including payroll and Soc. Security. That’s assuming they work for legit companies that aren’t cooking the books.

    For example, Chinese tech workers staying more than 183 days inside the US are taxed at the federal rates of any American, and are NOT exempt from state taxes during that period. Capital gains are treated differently, presumably to attract larger investors.
    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/chintech.pdf

    Please post sources that back your allegations that IRS actually taxes legit visa holders earning wages after 183 days any differently than US citizens.

    Also, it’s not the politicians who should be blamed for any abuses regarding illegals. Like any good prostitute, they do what they’re paid to do regarding immigration issues by the businesses in their district that rely on cheap, illegal labor. Follow the money: construction, restaurants, hotels, agriculture. Both GOP and Dem.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  74. MarkinLA says:
    @Hieronymosofcardia

    Many visa holders are exempt from FICA taxes. Thus the employer saves that amount.

    http://www.happyschools.com/opt-exempt-fica-taxes/

    • Replies: @Nutella
  75. Nutella says: • Website
    @MarkinLA

    According to 2003 Congressional testimony by Diane Feinstein, L-1s pay no income taxes and India Incs use them by the millions to bring in workers annually. That is why we are $22 trillion in debt – millions of L-1s paying zero income taxes where the American workers they replaced used to.

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