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Abstract

I have been asked the question: Why do you think the German euthanasia program happened during World War II, but not the Holocaust? This article will show that the evidence for the German euthanasia program is overwhelming, while the evidence to support the Holocaust story is severely lacking.

Written Order

In August 1939, Hitler let it be known to his close associates that he approved any measure which could be seen as delivering handicapped patients from pain and suffering. Probably in the late autumn or winter of 1939, Hitler backdated a document to Sept. 1, 1939, that authorized the euthanasia program. The authorization states:[1]Schmidt, Ulf, Karl Brandt: The Nazi Doctor, New York: Continuum Books, 2007, pp. 125, 132-133.

“Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Med Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the powers of specific physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment, are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death after the most careful assessment of their condition.”

Historians have acknowledged that no similar document of a plan by Germany to exterminate European Jewry has ever been found. In his well-known book on the Holocaust, French-Jewish historian Leon Poliakov states that “…the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as regards its conception as well as many other essential aspects, remains shrouded in darkness.” Poliakov adds that no documents of a plan for exterminating the Jews have ever been found because “perhaps none ever existed.”[2]Poliakov, Leon, Harvest of Hate, New York: Holocaust Library, 1979, p. 108. British historian Ian Kershaw states that when the Soviet archives were opened in the early 1990s:[3]Kershaw, Ian, Hitler, the Germans, and the Final Solution, New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 2008, p. 96.

“Predictably, a written order by Hitler for the ‘Final Solution’ was not found. The presumption that a single, explicit written order had ever been given had long been dismissed by most historians.”

The lack of a written order for the extermination of European Jewry led to Raul Hilberg’s famous explanation of how the Holocaust happened:[4]De Wan, George, “The Holocaust in Perspective,” Newsday: Long Island, N.Y., Feb. 23, 1983, Part II, p. 3.

“What began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.”

On Jan. 16, 1985, under cross-examination at the first Ernst Zündel trial in Toronto, Raul Hilberg confirmed that he said these words.[5]See trial transcript, pp. 846-848. Also Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 24. Thus, Hilberg states that the so-called Holocaust was not carried out by a written order or plan, but rather by an incredible mind reading among far-flung German bureaucrats.

Defenders of the Holocaust story sometimes explain the absence of a written order to exterminate European Jewry by saying that the Nazis destroyed the evidence. However, an operation as big as the so-called Holocaust would have required written orders that would have been referred to in countless different ministerial bodies. It would have been impossible for all of these documents to have been completely destroyed at the end of the war. There would always have been carbon copies of the extermination order somewhere.[6]Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), op. cit. (note 5), p. 370.

Confessions of Defendants

The Doctors’ Trial at Nuremberg, which opened on Dec. 9, 1946 and ended on July 19, 1947, tried German doctors for their participation in the euthanasia program. Dr. Karl Brandt readily admitted his involvement in the euthanasia program, since too many records and affidavits directly linked him to the killing operation. Brandt argued that the only rationale for the euthanasia program had been to free handicapped and incurably ill patients from suffering. Brandt considered his involvement in the euthanasia program authorized by Hitler to be absolutely legal.[7]Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 354, 370f.

By contrast, none of the defendants at the Nuremberg trials stated that they knew anything about a program to exterminate Jews during the war. Hermann Göring, Hans Frank, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Albert Speer, Gen. Alfred Jodl, and the other Nuremberg defendants all denied knowing anything of an extermination program of European Jewry. While such testimony is often dismissed as lying, the categorical and consistent nature of their testimony, sometimes by men who assumed they would be hanged, suggests that they are telling the truth.[8]Weber, Mark, “The Nuremburg Trials and the Holocaust,” The Journal of Historical Review, 12(2) (1992), pp. 197-199.

Hermann Göring in particular had no reason to lie about his lack of knowledge of a plan by Germany to exterminate European Jewry. As the highest ranking surviving Nazi, Göring’s execution was certain. Göring told his wife Emmy to give up all hope that he would not be executed at Nuremberg.[9]Irving, David, Nuremberg: The Last Battle, London: Focal Point, 1996, p. 276. Yet Göring repeatedly and emphatically denied any knowledge of the so-called Holocaust. Göring confided to American psychologist Dr. Gustave Gilbert in his jail cell at Nuremberg:[10]Irving, David, Göring: A Biography, London: GraftonBooks, 1991, p. 493.

“I wish I could have Himmler here – just for 10 minutes – to ask him what on earth he was up to out there.”

It is most unfortunate that Heinrich Himmler was a “suicide” while in British captivity. However, since Himmler was in a position to know the true story of the alleged Holocaust, it was not within the bounds of political possibility that Himmler live to testify at the Nuremberg trials.[11]Butz, Arthur R., The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, 9th ed., Newport Beach, Cal.: Institute for Historical Review, 1993, p. 240.

Discussion of Killing Methods

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German doctors determined that carbon monoxide gas was the most painless and humane way to euthanize people. The use of carbon monoxide gas therefore became the standard technique to kill people in the adult euthanasia program, with the first killings probably beginning in January 1940. Dr. Karl Brandt, Albert Widmann, Dr. Leonardo Conti and others all stated that they determined carbon monoxide gas to be the most humane method of euthanizing adults.[12]Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 138f.

Dr. Karl Brandt wrote in his personal notebook:[13]Ibid., p. 138.
(Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 138f.)

“Adolf Hitler asked me which method, based on current considerations and experiences, was the mildest, that is to say the safest, quickest and the most effective and painless one. I had to concede that this was death through the inhalation of carbon monoxide gas. He then said that this was also the most humane. I myself then took on board this position and put to one side my medical concerns for external reasons… I am convinced that the procedure with carbon monoxide was right.”

No such planning has been found regarding the use of homicidal gas chambers in German concentration camps. The Holocaust story claims that the first gassings occurred at Auschwitz using Zyklon B in September 1941. These gassings were allegedly done without any prior engineering considerations.[14]Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 281. See also Wachsmann, Nikolaus, Kl: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps, New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2015, pp. 267-269. In extreme detail: Mattogno, Carlo, Auschwitz: The First Gassing. Rumor and Reality, 2nd ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2016. According to the officially accepted version of the Holocaust story, the SS at Auschwitz quickly built homicidal gas chambers that were capable of killing thousands of people out of ordinary buildings .[15]See Mattogno, Carlo, Debunking the Bunkers of Auschwitz: Black Propaganda versus History, 2nd ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2016. Also idem, Auschwitz: Crematorium I and the Alleged Homicidal Gassings, 2nd ed., ibid., 2016;
(Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 281. See also Wachsmann, Nikolaus, Kl: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps, New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2015, pp. 267-269. In extreme detail: Mattogno, Carlo, Auschwitz: The First Gassing. Rumor and Reality, 2nd ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2016.)

This official version of the so-called Holocaust is pure nonsense. Homicidal gas chambers using Zyklon B cannot be built “on the fly” by SS men with no engineering background. This is shown by a comparison to the delousing chambers used in the German concentration camps. The German delousing chambers were patented by the German firm Degesch, involved extremely advanced engineering, and were carefully constructed to be gastight and safe for the operators.[16]Berg, Friedrich P., “The German Delousing Chambers,” The Journal of Historical Review, 7(1) (1986), pp. 73-94; http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html .

Feasibility of Killing Methods

Carbon-monoxide gas can be used to efficiently kill people in homicidal gas chambers. The dead bodies from the gassings can also be safely removed by personnel wearing only a gas mask. Richard von Hegener observed that patients in the euthanasia program would lose consciousness within two to three minutes of the gas entering the room. Within five minutes all of the patients had fallen into a “kind of sleep.” The gas was left running for half an hour before a physician, protected by a gas mask, entered the room, examined the bodies, and pronounced that all of the patients were dead.[17]Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 138f.

By contrast, Zyklon B cannot be safely used to kill large numbers of people in homicidal gas chambers. Dr. Robert Faurisson states in regard to Zyklon-B poisoning: “The corpse of a man who has just been killed by this powerful poison is itself a dangerous source of poisoning, and cannot be touched with bare hands. In order to enter the HCN-saturated chamber to remove the corpse, special gear is needed, as well as a gas mask with a special filter.”[18]Faurisson, Robert, “The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Challenge,” The Journal of Historical Review, 13(4) (1993), pp. 14-17; http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p14_Faurisson.html. The danger of touching someone killed with Zyklon-B gas is confirmed in the scientific literature.[19]Padmakumar, K., “Postmortem Examination Cases of Cyanide Poisoning: A Biological Hazard,” Journal of Indian Academy of Forensic Medicine, 32(1) (2010), pp. 80f.; http://medind.nic.in/jal/t10/i1/jalt10i1p80.pdf .

The alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek could not have been used as homicidal gas chambers. The first scholar to make that observation was Dr. Robert Faurisson in the late 1970s.[20]In English: Faurisson, Robert, “The Gas Chambers of Auschwitz Appear to be Physically Inconceivable,” The Journal of Historical Review, 2(4) (1981), pp. 312-317; https://codoh.com/library/document/1995 . He induced the American expert for execution technologies Fred Leuchter to come to similar conclusions in a 1988 study.[21]Leuchter, Fred A., and Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, The Leuchter Reports: Critical Edition, 4th ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2015. Leuchter’s research has since been revised, deepened and broadened by a number of subsequent technical studies coming to similar conclusions.[22]See in addition to the works by Mattogno mentioned in notes 14f. also: Mattogno, Carlo, The Real Case for Auschwitz: Robert van Pelt’s Evidence from the Irving Trial Critically Reviewed, Uckfield, Castle Hill Publishers, 2015; idem, and Franco Deana, The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz: A Technical and Historical Study, ibid.¸ 2015; Rudolf, Germar, The Chemistry of Auschwitz: The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers, ibid., 2017; Graf, Jürgen, and Carlo Mattogno, Concentration Camp Majdanek: A Historical and Technical Study, 3rd ed., ibid., 2016.
(Leuchter, Fred A., and Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, The Leuchter Reports: Critical Edition, 4th ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2015.)

The Diesel engines allegedly used at the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor also could not have been used to mass murder people as claimed either. The first to point this out was U.S. engineer Friedrich Paul Berg in a 1984 paper.[23]Berg, Friedrich Paul, “The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth within a Myth,” The Journal of Historical Review, 5(1) (1984), pp. 15-46; https://codoh.com/library/document/982 . In a revised paper of 2000, Berg stated that for any Diesel arrangement to have been even marginally effective for mass murder, it would have required an exceptionally well-informed team of experts to know and do all that was necessary. Berg mentions that, even if someone had tried for a time to commit murder with Diesel exhaust, after a few tries it would have become apparent that something better was needed. Berg concludes that the evidence for Diesel gassings in the German concentration camps fails to meet the most basic standards that credible evidence must pass to satisfy reasonable people.[24]Berg, Friedrich Paul, “The Diesel Gas Chamber: Ideal for Torture—Absurd For Murder,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Theses and Dissertations Press, 2000, pp. 454f.

After reading Berg’s 1984 paper, Walter Lüftl, a prominent Austrian engineer and at that time the president of Austria’s Association of Civil Engineers, confirmed in his own research paper that mass murder with Diesel-exhaust gasses is a sheer impossibility for reasons of time alone. Lüftl states in his report:[25]Lüftl, Walter, “The Lüftl Report,” The Journal of Historical Review, 12(4) (1992), pp. 403-406, 419; https://codoh.com/library/document/2383 .

“The laws of nature apply both to Nazis and anti-fascists. Nobody can be killed with diesel exhaust gas in the manner described [in the Holocaust literature].”

Public Knowledge

Public knowledge of the German euthanasia program was widespread in Germany. This public knowledge led to growing criticism from churches, the judiciary, and the state bureaucracy. Church leaders, and especially Bishop Clemens August Graf von Galen, made it internationally known that National-Socialist Germany was killing handicapped children and adults on an unprecedented scale. In a sermon on Aug. 3, 1941, Galen openly attacked the hypocrisy and the economic rationale for killing handicapped people. Instead of punishing Galen, Hitler ordered a stop to the euthanasia program on Aug. 24, 1941.[26]Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 162f., 166f. See also Evans, Richard J., The Third Reich at War, 1939-1945, London: Penguin Books, 2008, pp. 99f.

By contrast, the German public was not aware of a program of extermination of European Jewry during the war. Nowhere in the archives, which contain mountains of intercepted cipher messages and the reports on bags of mail captured from enemy ships and from overrun enemy positions, is there the slightest evidence that a program of genocide against Jews was known by the German public.[27]Irving, David, Nuremberg, op. cit. (note 9), p. 168.

The German public became aware of the alleged genocide of European Jewry only when U.S. and British troops entered German concentration camps at the end of World War II. The horrific scenes of huge piles of dead bodies and emaciated and diseased surviving inmates were filmed and photographed for posterity by the U.S. Army Signal Corps. Films of the horrific scenes at the camps were made mandatory viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, so that their national pride would be destroyed and replaced with feelings of collective guilt.

The tour of liberated concentration camps became a ritual in the occupied Germany of late April and early May. American officers forced local citizens and German POWs to view the camps. German civilians were paraded against their will in front of the sickening piles of dead bodies found in the German camps.[28]Abzug, Robert H., Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps, New York and Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1985, pp. 128-132.

What the general public was not told is that most of the inmates in these camps had died of typhus, typhoid, and other natural causes. None of the Allied autopsy reports shows that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public-health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps.

Other Considerations

Defenders of the Holocaust story inevitably raise eyewitness testimony as proof that the genocide of European Jewry happened. However, as I discussed elsewhere, eyewitness testimony to the so-called Holocaust is notoriously unreliable.[29]Wear, John, “Holocaust Eyewitnesses: Is the Testimony Reliable?,” The Barnes Review, 19(4) (2013), pp. 26-29; https://katana17.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/holocaust-...iable/ .

The large number of Jewish survivors at the end of World War II also makes impossible a program of genocide against European Jewry. Dr. Arthur Robert Butz states in regard to the large number of Jewish survivors: “The simplest valid reason for being skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable reason; at the end of the war they were still there.”[30]Butz, Arthur R., op. cit. (note 11), p. 10. Norman Finkelstein, the author of The Holocaust Industry, quotes his mother as asking:[31]Interview with Norman Finkelstein, by Viktor Frölke, in Salon.com, “Shoah business,” Aug. 30, 2000. See also Finkelstein, Norman, The Holocaust Industry, New York: Verso, 2000, p. 81.

“If everyone who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?”

Defenders of the Holocaust story also inevitably quote speeches from Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, and Heinrich Himmler or writings from Hitler, Goebbels, and Hans Frank to prove that Germany had an extermination program of Jews during the war. In fact, Himmler’s Posen speech of Oct. 4, 1943 has been called “the best evidence” to prove the Holocaust happened.[32]https://codoh.com/library/document/891/ . Himmler states in this speech:[33]http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%...29.pdf .

“I am referring here to the evacuation of the Jews, to the extermination of the Jewish people… it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination.”

Most translations of Himmler’s Posen speech assume that the German word “ausrotten” means murder or extermination. David Irving, who is very fluent in the German language, testified at the second Ernst Zündel trial that this is an incorrect translation of the word “ausrotten”:[34]Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), op. cit. (note 5), pp. 370f.

“There is no doubt that in modern Germany the word ausrotten now means murder. But we have to look at the meaning of the word ausrotten in the 1930s and 1940s, as used by those who wrote or spoke these documents. In the mouth of Adolf Hitler, the word ausrotten is never once used to mean murder, and I’ve made a study of that particular semantic problem. You can find document after document which Hitler himself spoke or wrote where the word ausrotten cannot possibly mean murder.”

Since Hitler never used the word “ausrotten” to mean murder, and since Hitler and Himmler spoke the same language, there is no reason to believe that Himmler was speaking about the murder of the Jews in his Posen speech.

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Other defenders of the Holocaust story assume that the Nazis used code words such as “special treatment” to hide their genocide of European Jewry.[35]For example, see http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/...r.html . This theory does not explain why the Nazis used explicit written orders for all of their other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. Adolf Hitler’s other crimes including the euthanasia program were all made in writing. It is absurd to think that only the genocide of European Jewry was hidden behind code words, while all other German war crimes were clearly stated in writing.

Conclusion

The German euthanasia program is a well-documented reality. Hitler authorized the euthanasia program in writing, the defendants at the Doctors’ Trial admitted their involvement in the program, the best method for killing victims was discussed among the participants in the program, the carbon-monoxide gas used in the German euthanasia program can safely and effectively kill people, and the euthanasia program was widely known by the German public. In fact, public opposition to the program was so strong in Germany that Hitler ordered the end of the first phase of the euthanasia program in August 1941.

By contrast, the genocide of European Jewry is not well documented. No order has ever been found authorizing the mass murder of Europe’s Jews. The German defendants at the main Nuremberg trial all stated they knew nothing about the so-called Holocaust. The Holocaust story absurdly states that the first gas chambers were built at Auschwitz using Zyklon B by SS personnel with no engineering experience. None of the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek or the claimed diesel gas chambers at the Aktion Reinhardt camps of Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor could possibly have been used for mass murder. The alleged genocide of Jews was also not known by the German public during the war. The eyewitness testimony to the so-called Holocaust has consistently proven to be extremely unreliable. Finally, the large number of Jewish survivors at the end of the war makes impossible a program of genocide against European Jewry.

In conclusion, while the German euthanasia program is a well-documented reality, the Holocaust story is a fraud. Dr. Arthur Robert Butz has aptly stated:[36]Butz, Arthur R., “Some Thoughts on Pressac’s Opus,” The Journal of Historical Review, 13(3) (1993), pp. 23-37, here p. 23; https://codoh.com/library/document/2425/ .

“The ‘Holocaust’ is such a gigantic fraud that it is a cornucopia of absurdities.”

Notes

[1] Schmidt, Ulf, Karl Brandt: The Nazi Doctor, New York: Continuum Books, 2007, pp. 125, 132-133.

[2] Poliakov, Leon, Harvest of Hate, New York: Holocaust Library, 1979, p. 108.

[3] Kershaw, Ian, Hitler, the Germans, and the Final Solution, New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 2008, p. 96.

[4] De Wan, George, “The Holocaust in Perspective,” Newsday: Long Island, N.Y., Feb. 23, 1983, Part II, p. 3.

[5] See trial transcript, pp. 846-848. Also Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 24.

[6] Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), op. cit. (note 5), p. 370.

[7] Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 354, 370f.

[8] Weber, Mark, “The Nuremburg Trials and the Holocaust,” The Journal of Historical Review, 12(2) (1992), pp. 197-199.

[9] Irving, David, Nuremberg: The Last Battle, London: Focal Point, 1996, p. 276.

[10] Irving, David, Göring: A Biography, London: GraftonBooks, 1991, p. 493.

[11] Butz, Arthur R., The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, 9th ed., Newport Beach, Cal.: Institute for Historical Review, 1993, p. 240.

[12] Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 138f.

[13] Ibid., p. 138.

[14] Longerich, Peter, Holocaust: The Nazi Persecution and Murder of the Jews, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 281. See also Wachsmann, Nikolaus, Kl: A History of the Nazi Concentration Camps, New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2015, pp. 267-269. In extreme detail: Mattogno, Carlo, Auschwitz: The First Gassing. Rumor and Reality, 2nd ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2016.

[15] See Mattogno, Carlo, Debunking the Bunkers of Auschwitz: Black Propaganda versus History, 2nd ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2016. Also idem, Auschwitz: Crematorium I and the Alleged Homicidal Gassings, 2nd ed., ibid., 2016;

[16] Berg, Friedrich P., “The German Delousing Chambers,” The Journal of Historical Review, 7(1) (1986), pp. 73-94; http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html .

[17] Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 138f.

[18] Faurisson, Robert, “The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Challenge,” The Journal of Historical Review, 13(4) (1993), pp. 14-17; http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p14_Faurisson.html.

[19] Padmakumar, K., “Postmortem Examination Cases of Cyanide Poisoning: A Biological Hazard,” Journal of Indian Academy of Forensic Medicine, 32(1) (2010), pp. 80f.; http://medind.nic.in/jal/t10/i1/jalt10i1p80.pdf .

[20] In English: Faurisson, Robert, “The Gas Chambers of Auschwitz Appear to be Physically Inconceivable,” The Journal of Historical Review, 2(4) (1981), pp. 312-317; https://codoh.com/library/document/1995 .

[21] Leuchter, Fred A., and Robert Faurisson, Germar Rudolf, The Leuchter Reports: Critical Edition, 4th ed., Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2015.

[22] See in addition to the works by Mattogno mentioned in notes 14f. also: Mattogno, Carlo, The Real Case for Auschwitz: Robert van Pelt’s Evidence from the Irving Trial Critically Reviewed, Uckfield, Castle Hill Publishers, 2015; idem, and Franco Deana, The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz: A Technical and Historical Study, ibid.¸ 2015; Rudolf, Germar, The Chemistry of Auschwitz: The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers, ibid., 2017; Graf, Jürgen, and Carlo Mattogno, Concentration Camp Majdanek: A Historical and Technical Study, 3rd ed., ibid., 2016.

[23] Berg, Friedrich Paul, “The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth within a Myth,” The Journal of Historical Review, 5(1) (1984), pp. 15-46; https://codoh.com/library/document/982 .

[24] Berg, Friedrich Paul, “The Diesel Gas Chamber: Ideal for Torture—Absurd For Murder,” in Gauss, Ernst (ed.), Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Capshaw, AL: Theses and Dissertations Press, 2000, pp. 454f.

[25] Lüftl, Walter, “The Lüftl Report,” The Journal of Historical Review, 12(4) (1992), pp. 403-406, 419; https://codoh.com/library/document/2383 .

[26] Schmidt, Ulf, op. cit. (note 1), pp. 162f., 166f. See also Evans, Richard J., The Third Reich at War, 1939-1945, London: Penguin Books, 2008, pp. 99f.

[27] Irving, David, Nuremberg, op. cit. (note 9), p. 168.

[28] Abzug, Robert H., Inside the Vicious Heart: Americans and the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps, New York and Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1985, pp. 128-132.

[29] Wear, John, “Holocaust Eyewitnesses: Is the Testimony Reliable?,” The Barnes Review, 19(4) (2013), pp. 26-29; https://katana17.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/holocaust-eyewitnesses-is-the-testimony-reliable/ .

[30] Butz, Arthur R., op. cit. (note 11), p. 10.

[31] Interview with Norman Finkelstein, by Viktor Frölke, in Salon.com, “Shoah business,” Aug. 30, 2000. See also Finkelstein, Norman, The Holocaust Industry, New York: Verso, 2000, p. 81.

[32] https://codoh.com/library/document/891/ .

[33] http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%204029.pdf .

[34] Kulaszka, Barbara (ed.), op. cit. (note 5), pp. 370f.

[35] For example, see http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/06/gauleiter-arthur-greiser.html .

[36] Butz, Arthur R., “Some Thoughts on Pressac’s Opus,” The Journal of Historical Review, 13(3) (1993), pp. 23-37, here p. 23; https://codoh.com/library/document/2425/ .

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  1. tac says:

    When will the masses finally examine the impossible holohoax stories that have been put forth, all the while any serious scientific studies made in such cases or simply exclaimed doubts made by people who have reservations thereof are simply silenced, disregarded, coerced and intimidated, physically abused or imprisoned?! Does that kind of brute force in the simple inquisition of the facts inspire confidence in what has been presented as de facto history? The lies sustained on pillars of THE so-called “holocaust” are beginning to crumble under the sheer weight of its mendacious precepts. War propaganda is one thin, but post-war propaganda is in a world of its own.

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    Video links:

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  2. Crimson2 says:

    Here’s to the authors here at Unz meeting the same fate as their heroes Goring and Himmler.

  3. What about all the ovens? Why did they have all those ovens for cremating bodies?

    I’m very skeptical about the holocaust; the numbers don’t add up and the gas chambers have been well debunked. But why so many ovens. Something very terrible still happened there. I haven’t researched the subject as much as I should but the amount of information is quite extensive and time consuming for a working person.

  4. This is truly controversial stuff.

    While I think the killings in concentration camps were exaggerated — and not all camps used poison gas — , I do believe there were mass exterminations during the invasion of Russia. To what extent it was part of a Grand Plan or the usual atrocities of war, I don’t know. It’s been said something like 1/4 of Okinawans died in the US invasion. I doubt US leaders signed a document ordering the mass killing of civilians, but all hell broke loose.

    As there were plenty of anti-Jewish radicals among the Nazis, it’s possible plenty of German commanders decided on their own to round up and mass-slaughter undesirables, many of them Jews. And it doesn’t matter if Hitler didn’t sign such document. He created the climate and he started the war. It’s like Bush didn’t order Abu Grahib, but he and neocons are still responsible because they created the hysteria that encouraged extreme anti-Muslim and anti-Arab hatred.

    The fact is whether Hitler signed such order or not, he created war conditions in which radical Nazis would run riot and do horrible stuff. And he didn’t do anything to stop it. Likewise, Mao didn’t sign an order telling his goons to kill millions or smash so much of culture. But he created the condition and then were indifferent to the madness all around.

    One problem with WWII memory is that the term ‘holocaust survivor’ is used too loosely. It should only apply to anyone’s who been in the concentration camps that were designated for mass-killing. Or it should apply to Jews who miraculously survived the German invasion of Eastern Lands.
    When it applies to just about all Jews under Nazi occupation, it is ridiculous.

  5. Wally says:
    @tac

    And the most read, biggest “holocaust” debunking site / database of them all

    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

  6. Crazy Horse [AKA "Gall"] says:
    @Crimson2

    The stupidity of the average Hasberra clown is evident in this comment that anyone who exposes the truth meet a painful death.

    By the way. I like many others have studied the history of WW II and not found any evidence of the Holocaust that the Racist Terrorist State of Israel uses to justify their genocide of the Palestinians and extort billions from Western Nations.

    If you have evidence such as the proverbial smoking gun then present it here for all of us to see. Otherwise put up or shut up.

    The actual Holocaust was the Zionists willingness to sacrifice innocent Jews for the Talmudic State of Israel.

    As in the historical definition of the Oxford American Dictionary:

    ” a Jewish sacrificial offering that is burned completely on an altar.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. @Crimson2

    The Holocaust really is a religion, isn’t it

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  8. In 1972 I visited Buchenwald while a student traveling abroad during the summer. The night before I had stayed in a youth hostel, and a Jewish guy I met there also visited the camp that day. We saw a shower room that had been hastily and sloppily rigged into a gas chamber right at the end of the war, but there was certainly no systematic murder of many thousands committed there. He was more upset by what we saw than was I, a gentle. On the basis of Buchenwald, the holocaust seemed a bit over-blown to say the least.

    • Replies: @Wally
  9. ‘No body no crime’ is always a nice way to breach this topic. ‘They were burnt you cunt!’ is the usual retort. ‘Not enough time or coke shipments’, followed by ‘Why did you research this fake news, you Nazi sympathising cunt, bye.’, is usually how it ends!

    .. Still – that is not an argument that details a preponderance of evidence to acquiesce that mass murder and mass deception occurred.

    I wonder though – is ancient history as fake as modern history?!

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  10. Wally says:

    There’s nothing quite like the truth.
    Another blockbuster published here by Ron Unz. Kudos to you, sir.

    Author Wear did however write something that seems weak:

    “Other defenders of the Holocaust story assume that the Nazis used code words such as “special treatment” to hide their genocide of European Jewry.[35] This theory does not explain why the Nazis used explicit written orders for all of their other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. Adolf Hitler’s other crimes including the euthanasia program were all made in writing. It is absurd to think that only the genocide of European Jewry was hidden behind code words, while all other German war crimes were clearly stated in writing.”

    – Euthanasia in NS Germany was no “crime”. Other countries did it as well, Hitler certainly did not try to hide it. Alleviating incurable suffering was and is the morally right thing to do.

    – I also note that John Wear provides no source or claimed ‘writings’ for review by Himmler when he says “many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps” were authorized by Himmler.

    – However, there were indeed limited experiments with the intent to find cures, not kill; and certainly inmates who were heinous criminals were rightfully executed. Condemned criminals were often given an option to be part of potentially live saving experiments. Nothing particularly noteworthy about those facts. I might also add that there is absolutely nothing to prove what is absurdly claimed about a Dr. Josef Mengele.

    And predictably, massive the medical experiments by the US and it’s “Allies have been ignored.

    – One should note that statements made by various doctors at Nuremberg are highly suspect due the show trial, corrupt nature of the proceedings and the thoroughly proven use of threats and torture to achieve statements desired by the “Allies”. Mr. Wear may well be a bit too trusting about statements made under severe distress, ‘persuasion’.
    recommended:
    Medical Experimentation at Dachau, by John Wear:
    https://codoh.com/library/document/6354/?lang=en
    exc.:

    Dr. Larson concluded in regard to Dr. Schilling: “…Dr. Schilling, who was 72 [actually 74], should have lived. He never tried to run. He stayed in Dachau and made a full statement of his work to me; he cooperated in every way, and was the only one who told the truth…”[5]
    The defense in the Doctors’ Trial at Nuremberg submitted evidence of doctors in the United States performing medical experiments on prison inmates and conscientious objectors during the war. The evidence showed that large-scale malaria experiments were performed on 800 American prisoners, many of them black, from federal penitentiaries in Atlanta and state penitentiaries in Illinois and New Jersey. U.S. doctors conducted human experiments with malaria tropica, one of the most dangerous of the malaria strains, to aid the U.S. war effort in Southeast Asia.[6]

    Although Dr. Schilling’s malaria experiments were no more dangerous or illegal than the malaria experiments performed by U.S. doctors, Dr. Schilling had to atone for his malaria experiments by being hanged to death while his wife watched. The U.S. doctors who performed malaria experiments on humans were never charged with a crime.

    much more: also:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=medical+experiments

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @Curmudgeon
  11. I really have to thank Ron Unz & Co. for opening my eyes to this massive fraud. The holohoax is, without doubt, the greatest scam of all time. I hope I live to see all these BS laws criminalizing free speech overturned. I hope …

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Miro23
    , @Wally
  12. A myriad of documents confirm the Holocaust. Holocaust-Deniers never managed to refute their authenticity despite many efforts.

  13. @tac

    lol .. Eric Hunt .. you’re not updated. This guy already quit Holocaust-Denial, admitting it’s inconsistent and full of logical faults. He renounced every video he ever made.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
    , @Mulegino1
  14. My fallback position has tended to be to ask what the Nazis were doing long after tje Madagascar solution to the JP was discarded and it had become apparent that they weren’t going to be able to exile Jews to eastern Russia when they deported Jews who eeren’t workers from France, Belgium, Holland, Italy and Hungary. Thr author doesn’t appear to try and answer that.

    Other points include no mention of Goebbels whom Irving apparently regards as one of the main driving forces for genocide. Then there is the proof that the euthanasia program provides that there were plenty of Germans in the 30s and 40s who were not adherents of traditional Christian views on the sanctity of life. The coarsening effect of WW1 slaughter and the widespread concern in America as well as Germany about the quality of people in countries of still very high fertility should be born in mind as part of the background. Contempt for Untermenschen – prevalent and taught to the young – is another feature of the times which makes killing less unlikely. While the lack of specific documents is important to the author’s case it would not be surprising if Hitler, who had quite a feel for public opinion, would have encouraged the use of euphemism when it came to the extreme crime of genocide. The final solution of the Jewish problem was, after all, for him, only one of several major war aims to be advanced or postponed as circumstances allowed.

    Obviously the points against extensive use of Zyklin B are important, but where is thr mention of the trucks in which victims were poisoned with Carbon Monoxide?

    Clearly it would be a major blow to the “Holocaust Industry” if the use of gas chambers were disproved but it would not negate the possibility that a few million Jews were killed as a result of Nazi attitudes and policies to solve the “Jewish Problem”. We shouldn’t forget that these people, brutalised ny WW1 and its aftermath, perpetrated the Night of the Long Knives and were served by many non Nazis capable of the Namibian genocide only a few decades earlier.

  15. Did anybody compile study on most successful exterminators in the history of mankind?
    Are they anglo or germanic tribe, or perhaps some of their satraps?

  16. Antares says:

    What this article makes so obvious is that a critical look at the holocaust is definitely not done by people who condone or conceal the misdeeds of the Nazis. It is actually quite the opposite.

  17. The Germans and not planning something on such a scale?

    Yeah, right!

    Ground penetrating radar will show everyone what we need to know.

    What’s that?

    A big No-No?

    Why?

    Sacred sites?

    How about all the documentation?

    A law forbidding me to ask questions?

    How very GeSStapo of you….

  18. @Crimson2

    Gotta <3 ur debunking skills.

    Is that what happens when you spent too much time in a Tel Aviv boiler room; the last 2 functioning brain cells turn into mush?

    You do realize you want the 'authors here at Unz' all dead, do you?

    Wanna snipe 'em yourselves, good sir?

    • Replies: @Crimson2
  19. eah says:

    Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the Holocaust

    A better/clearer title for this piece would have been: Comparing Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program to Evidence for the Holocaust

    • Replies: @eah
  20. Blankaerd says:

    The issue, again, is one of numbers. There is no doubt that the nazi’s had an extensive euthanasia program. The procedure to determine who was to be euthanized was questionable and definitely sped up, something that raised the death toll of the program rather quickly. Of course we need a bit of context here, because in the wake of the depression many families simply didn’t have enough money to take care of mentally handicapped family members, and the state cut financial support for mental hospitals, if they didn’t outright close them that is. Under those circumstances one can see how it can be considered humane to kill the mentally handicapped instead of letting them rot in the streets.

    The lack of care for the mentally handicapped lingered even after the nazi’s gained power. The primary concern from the nazi perspective was one of economics and humanity, but there were no doubt ideological reasons to get rid of the mentally handicapped as well, because the nazi’s attributed most mental illnesses to heredity and not to environment. That is where the nazi’s were dead wrong, at least in many cases. I think it’s believable that tens of thousands of people met their doom as a result of this program, sometimes it affected those people who could’ve otherwise been cured of their illness had proper state support and care been given. We can back those numbers up with documents, reports as well as death certificates.

    Still, other sources claim that the nazi’s murdered hundreds of thousands of mentally handicapped people, numbers that are completely unfounded. The same type of mental gymnastics and numbers magic from the holocaust is used to prove that the nazi’s actually murdered hundreds of thousands more by vaguely linking all the extra deaths to extermination facilities located in the East. Holocaustians like to use the Aktion T4 program as proof that the nazi’s planned and executed a ‘proto-holocaust’ and pretend that it was the blueprint or at least a smaller scale experiment for the actual holocaust.

    Therefore, I applaud John Wear for addressing this issue. No doubt if any discussion about the so called Holocaust goes on for long enough the Aktion T4 program will sooner or later be mentioned, and it is important to understand the nature and the extent of the program in order to see it in its proper context.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  21. eah says:
    @eah

    (Republished from Inconvenient History by permission of author or representative)

    Also, as mentioned in the “fine print”, this article originally appeared in Vol 9 (2017)/No. 3 of inconvenienthistory.com (“A Quarterly Journal for Free Historical Inquiry”; it’s a very good website) — the author’s entire archive is available there, along with the writings of many other (revisionist) historians.

    I regard this article as one of the best:

    The Bone Mill of Lemberg

    It is a tour de force of revisionist scholarship, completely demolishing the absurd claims that this was a ‘bone-crushing machine’ used by a ‘Sonderkommando’ to pulverize the bones of murdered Jews.

  22. The author conveniently omits the fact that the T4 euthanasia people were in charge of the Aktion Reinhard camps. Lets hear it from the man who installed the gassing apparatus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fuchs

    Sometime in the spring of 1942 I received instructions from Wirth to fetch new camp staff from Lublin by lorry. One of these was Erich Bauer (also Stangl and one or two other people) … On Wirth’s instructions I left by lorry for Lemberg and collected a gassing engine there which I then took to Sobibor.

    Upon arriving in Sobibor I discovered a piece of open ground close to the station on which there was a concrete building and several other permanent buildings. The SS-Sonderkommando at Sobibor was led by Thomalla. Amongst the SS personnel there were Floss, Bauer, Stangl, Schwarz, Barbl and others. We unloaded the motor. It was a heavy, Russian petrol engine (presumably a tank or tractor engine) of at least 200 HP (carburettor engine, eight-cylinder, water-cooled). We put the engine on a concrete plinth and attached a pipe to the exhaust outlet. Then we tried out the engine. At first it did not work. I repaired the ignition and the valve and suddenly the engine started. The chemist whom I already knew from Belzec went into the gas chamber with a measuring device in order to measure the gas concentration.

    After this a test gassing was carried out. I seem to remember that thirty to forty women were gassed in a gas chamber. The Jewesses had to undress in a clearing in the wood which had been roofed over, near the gas chamber. They were herded into the gas chamber by the above-mentioned SS members and Ukrainian volunteers. When the women had been shut up in the gas chamber I attended to the engine together with Bauer. The engine immediately started ticking over. We both stood next to the engine and switched it up to “release exhaust to chamber” so that the gases were channelled into the chamber. On the instigation of the chemist I revved up the engine, which meant that no extra gas had to be added later. After about ten minutes the thirty to forty women were dead. The chemist and the SS gave the signal to turn off the engine.[6]

    • Replies: @Jett Rucker
    , @Wally
  23. The deniers camp has a few big problems.

    Among them- too many non-Jewish eyewitnesses, both German & non-German. Even more- demography & censuses. Where are all those Jews, from France & Netherlands to Czechia, Poland, Ukraine…?

    Some of them emigrated to UK; some to US; some to future Israel (Palestine).

    But- where are others? There is a big demographic hole, too big.

    Then- how that we know numerous famous Jews or people of Jewish extraction who had been killed (or killed themselves) during Nazi persecution: Felix Hausdorff, Max Jacob, Walter Benjamin, Vasily Grossman’s mother, Chekhov’s lover Efros, Jung’s lover Spielrein, Egon Friedell, Freud’s & Kafka’s sisters, Bruno Schulz, Edith Stein …? If there are so many among well-known, what about ordinary, “non-recognizable” people?

    Personally I think that number of Jews murdered in the shoah is somewhat lesser, perhaps 10-20% smaller figure. Also, much more were exterminated by usual methods- shooting, starvation, typhoid, overworked.

    But, there was a plan to eliminate them from the future Reich. And this plan had been carried out to a large extent.

    That’s the mindset of this film:

    https://archive.org/details/DerEwigeJude

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @ia
    , @Wally
    , @eah
    , @Greg Bacon
  24. Anonymous[840] • Disclaimer says:

    Often-German speaker here.

    Since Hitler never used the word “ausrotten” to mean murder, and since Hitler and Himmler spoke the same language, there is no reason to believe that Himmler was speaking about the murder of the Jews in his Posen speech.

    Interesting approach, but weak.

    “ausrotten” literally means “to uproot” and “to extirpate/exterminate”, hence “to nuke from orbit because it’s the only way to be sure” (as in “die ganze Brut ausrotten” – “to exterminate the whole spawn”).

    Was that word really used differently in the early 40s? I doubt it.

    Here is an Hitlerism:

    “Sie werden sich noch erinnern an die Reichstagssitzung, in der ich erklärte: Wenn das Judentum sich etwa einbildet, einen internationalen Weltkrieg zur Ausrottung der europäischen Rassen herbeiführen zu können, so wird das Ergebnis nicht die Ausrottung der europäischen Rassen, sondern die Ausrottung des Judentums in Europa sein.”

    If he talks about Jews provoking a World War to “ausrotten” the European Races (and that the actual result will be the “ausrotten” of European Jewry), I don’t think he’s talking about “dispersing the races”. Not at all. He’s talking about heaps of dead people (and so it came to pass).

    • Replies: @eah
    , @John Regan
    , @refl
  25. padre says:

    Holocaust or not, the fact, that there were concentration camps remains!And francly, I se no difference in the way people died there, be it maldy, starvation or something else!What is more important, that in them died Jews and non Jews, and I think the number of non Jewish people there, like Slavs and Gypsies, was far greater, than the Jews!So, for me the biggest fautl with the holocaust is that it diminishes suffering of other nations!
    And frankly, for me the fact did they plan it or not doesn’t mean anything, and neither did to the ones that died there!

  26. gotmituns says:

    Best short read on the “holocaust” is Leon DeGrelle’s open letter to Pope John Paul II. It was a tour de force of logic. It’s still on Google – for now.

  27. @Crimson2

    It is not honouring these men who nobody here idolises to simply tell the truth. You ascribe to blood libel when you assert an impossible disproved load of pre-war propaganda. Even before the first shots were fired and concentration camps had not even appeared the claim was being made in newspapers in the USA and UK that “six million Jews were being exterminated.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  28. GeeBee says:
    @Crimson2

    Predictably, those who either have no interest in learning the truth (or indeed who fear doing so), or who ‘have a dog in this race’ so to speak, can only resort to silly and unpleasant ad hominem attacks in lieu of reason and evidence. It is neither clever nor funny, but it most certainly exposes the utter bankrupcy of the ‘exterminationist’ case.

  29. This article omits discussion of the Wannsee Protocol.

    Census figures of the jewish population of the various European countries from before and after WW II show a diminuation of >5 million individuals.

    This article omits that inconvenient fact.

    The Vad Yashem museum in Israel has compiled a database of the names of 2.5 million jews who perished during WW II.

    “In 2009 the Polish government-affiliated Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) published the study “Polska 1939–1945. Straty osobowe i ofiary represji pod dwiema okupacjami” (Poland 1939-1945. Human Losses and Victims of Repression Under the Two Occupations) that estimated Poland’s war dead at between 5.6 and 5.8 million Poles and Jews, including 150,000 during the Soviet occupation.”

    Are we to understand from the above article that the ~3 million non-Jewish Polish individuals who perished during WW II are also a fiction?

    The motivation of the author of the above article and the editor of Unz.com in promulgating Holocaust denial merits consideration.

    • Replies: @Wally
  30. onebornfree says: • Website

    John Wear says: “The German euthanasia program is a well-documented reality. Hitler authorized the euthanasia program in writing, the defendants at the Doctors’ Trial admitted their involvement in the program, …”

    Not to defend Hitler [or state mandated euthanasia], and I’m no historian, but my understanding is that he “merely” inherited a policy of euthanasia implemented prior to his own ascent to power and which dated[ I think, without checking 🙂 ], back to Bismark [?]. Hitler could have ended the policy-instead he chose to continue it, and [presumably] expand it.

    And lets not forget, the Nazis copied some of their other “people management” policies directly from the US’s own post-civil war indigenous people [i.e. Indians] extermination policies, and also from the US’s own eugenics [ i.e. state enforced population reduction ] programs instigated by the likes of Rockefeller and pals.

    Ah, statism, the gift that keeps on giving.

    …And so it goes

    Regards, onebornfree

  31. I would ask the question to the presumable morally superior “exceptional” Americans.

    How do you treat your disabled? You pump them full of drugs, you treat them as lab rats?
    You only show them in a press photo op to promote yourself?

    Iirc, some US states had similar laws up until the 1970ies.

    The communists usually draft and recruit mentally disabled to do the dirty work, eg Thunberg, AOC, but they also killed them and put them away.

  32. Mr Wear, I’d like to have you take on the entry in Goebbels’ dairy of December 12, 1941, refering to the Reich Chancellery meeting of the same day, during which Hitler had commented that his famour prophecy of January 30, 1939 made in an attempt to deter GB to enter the war, and repeated 2 years later in an attempt to deter the US to enter the war (in effect to hold the German Jews as hostages. Here the entry in question (taken from Wikipedia):

    Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

    Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they yet again brought about a world war, they would experience their own annihilation. That was not just a phrase. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @refl
  33. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Often-German speaker here.

    Was bedeutet das eigentlich? — genau meine ich.

    sondern die Ausrottung des Judentums in Europa

    Schade dass Hitler nicht mehr am Leben ist, sonst konnten wir ihn direkt fragen, was er bei “des Judentums” meinte — it’s too bad Hitler isn’t alive; we could ask him what he meant here.

    Because the word Judentum has two meanings — the German language Wikipedia page on this word puts it this way:

    Unter Judentum … versteht man einerseits die Religion, die Traditionen und Lebensweise, die Philosophie und meist auch die Kulturen der Juden (Judaismus) und andererseits die Gesamtheit der Juden. Letztere wird auch Judenheit genannt.

    So it can mean elimination of Judaism, ie Jewish religion and culture, from Europe — which, obviously, can also be accomplished by removing the Jews from Europe — this aligns with eg the Goering letter to Heydrich, where the only measures explicitly mentioned are “Auswandern oder Evakuierung” (emigration or forced removal), eg to Madagascar (one of the unreasonable alternatives discussed) — the more sinister interpretation of this letter is due to the insistence of the ‘Holocaust industry’ that Endlösung (usually translated as ‘final Solution’) means extermination — the question then is: What is the evidence for extermination? — this is where the problems with the ‘Holocaust’ claims begin.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  34. When (the term Holocaust survivor) applies to just about all Jews under Nazi occupation, it is ridiculous.

    Not so fast, goyim! Sympathy shekels apply to our children too, who inherited trauma from us.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/children-of-holocaust-survivors-could-inherit-brain-trauma-new-study-suggests

  35. Blankaerd says:
    @freedom-cat

    There was a major outbreak of typhus in the Auschwitz concentration camp and subsequently Himmler ordered the construction of crematoriums to deal with the bodies. The death toll could number at the rate of hundreds per day at the peak of the epidemic (according to actual German documents), so there was a need for a substantial amount of ovens to cope with all the bodies. They had to be burned to prevent the spread of disease. After the epidemic ended the crematoriums were transformed into air-raid shelters.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  36. dimples says:

    Taki’s Magazine columnist David Cole has a reply to holocaust denialism here. It contains some interesting references.

    http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5908

  37. Truth3 says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Sophistry 101. Taught by the Talmudic Criminals in Israel, NYC, etc. Published online everywhere.

    Time to start executing sophists.

    Herzliya delenda est!

  38. Anonymous[648] • Disclaimer says:
    @Crazy Horse

    It’s one thing for a hasbara troll to blindly strike out against anyone destroying the rationale for his atavistic hatred of Euro whites, but quite another for non-Jewish conservatives to refuse to even consider the evidence debunking the holohoax, and on the astonishingly dishonest grounds that such evidence is a priori false and therefore inadmissible.

    As with 9/11, there is no standard of evidence so low it won’t give cuckservatives grounds for their contemptible servility toward Israel and its fifth column. Have you ever looked at American Conservative or American Thinker? It’d be hard to come up with more disgusting, insincere flunkies for the Jews. Conservatism in America has always been of the Bill Buckley sort, a preppy club for nerds playing parlor word games with zero responsibility for conceding the trashing of America to the Jews who own Hollywood, the MSM, press, publishing, etc.

    Conservatives usually say they love Samuel Johnson, but he had nothing but contempt for such men, who he said have that caution cowards borrow from fear and attribute to principle. Have you ever seen anything more disgustingly servile than Sean Hannity’s descent into almost slurring baby talk when he’s telling the world how much he wuvs Jews? Johnson saw through his type as well, noting that such insincere men give themselves away, repeating a thing so often that all men finally understand it’s false.

    No wonder the left is poised to take over this country when you consider DJT’s rallies where MAGA-hat wearing men chant USA, USA over and over in the protection of a stadium and then run like the girly men of American Conservative or American Thinker back to their cars in a hail of spit and insults from pencil-necked geeks and women from the Left.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @BADmejr
  39. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Without doubt the greatest genocide in history was the Holodomor in the 1930’s. I wonder what the motivation for this most obscene punishment of a people was? Hmm…

    From the Times of Israel:

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

    Leaked report: Israel acknowledges Jews in fact Khazars; Secret plan for reverse migration to Ukraine

    … It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews.

    🧐

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  40. The Dark Night [AKA "Sagi Harari"] says:

    Norman Finkelstein also writes:

    “Both my father and mother were survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps. Apart from my parents, every family member on both sides was exterminated by the Nazis.”

    • Replies: @eah
    , @bjondo
  41. Crimson2 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    There’s no point in debating conspiracy theorists and Nazis. Most people hate you, so good luck with that.

    I prefer that Nazis reform their beliefs, but committing suicide like all of your heroes is also acceptable.

  42. The Dark Night [AKA "Sagi Harari"] says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    And in one US magazine it was written in 1895 that in the Bar Kokhba rebellion in Judea six million Jews lost their lives. Does that mean that Bar Kokhba rebellion never happened?

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  43. @Anonymous

    Holodomor was likely not as bad as all that. My Ukranian family don’t agree it was that bad, and again – there are not enough mass graves. And it was really mostly due to the British demanding grain payments instead of gold for their industrial exports to the USSR. Grain exports were banned in ’34 until 2015ish.

    There is the interesting issue of Stalin needing Israel to get Organized Jewry to release their claim on Crimea, which they had been negotiating for with the Bolsheviks since the 20s. But on this I need to do a lot more research!

    • Replies: @idealogus
  44. @eah

    What part of Vernichtung do you not understand?

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @eah
  45. @The Dark Night

    The issue is that when the boy cries ‘Wolf!’, like the WWI holocaust articles, like lampshades or soap, when what was certainly a tradgedy for the Jewish people of Europe – final solution be Madagascar or a bullet, it is still the use of force – becomes questionable.

    With so many exposed lies – and granted in war, propaganda abounds – what remains cannot but be questioned.

    A parallel would be the climate-change apocalyptics. 50 years of ’10 years left’ makes people wonder!

    If 60% of European Jewry, hell, even 20% at 2m were wiped out, for a nation of such strong emotional memory, how come it was not front page and center from 1945? It is not like world Jewry doesn’t have either the means or intellect to push a message, and historically, they do do so, especially if it is to do with their historical suffering at the hands of the Gentile nationa. The Jewish Almanac counted 9m in only 1949? Were they understaffed until then?!

    You can hush hush a million bullets, but you can’t hush hush the construction of gas chambers. That is a production line of thousands of people, and if falsification of output, train scheduelles, etc was happening, you would find a crack. Somewhere, someone wouldn’t be up for it. Not everyone is amoral.

    And in all honesty, the best final solution would have been to find a quarry, blindfold people, and march them off the side. No cost to bullets, no risk of cyonide poisoning to your troops, etc etc.

    Gassing 6m people is more like a ‘cunning plan’ that Baldrik might have in Blackadder. It is not believable that a nation, geographically stimmied, managed to almost conquer half of Eurasia, but couldn’t find an efficient way to dispatch of some malcontents.

    • Replies: @The Dark Night
  46. ChiNaz says:

    Excellent article!

    Why pretend the Holocaust happened, and downplay the actual real atrocities that happened on the Eastern Front?

    It’s almost as if someone needed a founding myth to take over certain societies from the inside, while still maintaining a “healthy” dose of racist hate for Slavs…

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  47. @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes, and Vernichtung means “annihilation”, there is no way to explain that away in any metaphorical sense.

    Simmilarly in Himmler’s Posen speeches Ausrottung means “extermination” – literally, like all other examples of killing in his speeches are meant in a literal way.

    If Jews were not killed on a mass scale in gas chambers as revisionists have demonstrated, still the disappearance of large numbers of Jews has not been accounted for. What happened to the 100,000 Jews from the Netherlands, or the 400,000 Jews from Hungary who “did not return”? The revisionists have no answer.

    If camps like Treblinka were not death camps but transit camps, where were the Jews transferred to ? Labor camps in the East? What happened there to the Jews? We must reckon with the possibility that large numbers of Jews were indeed killed in labor camps, perhaps not by gassing but by overwork and that deliberately so.

    • Agree: The Dark Night, Miro23
    • Replies: @Alexandros
  48. The Red Cross had boots on the ground, said 270K jews died in the war, while 55 MILLION non-jews were slaughtered for sure.

    There were no gas chambers. If the Germans wanted to kill jews they simply could have shot them all.

    If the plan was extermination, why did the Germans provide the jews with food,clothing, and shelter?
    Gyms, theaters, hospitals, swimming pools, whore houses?

    The “gas chambers” are rickety slat wood structures, with doors that open from the inside, no locks, windows that one could easily break, etc.etc.etc., and they were built by the Soviets two years AFTER the war!

    The bottom line is that some jews died…..it was a world war after all. But far more non-jews perished, and those numbers are not in dispute.

    • Agree: Rev. Spooner
  49. eah says:
    @The Dark Night

    “…every family member on both sides was exterminated by the Nazis.”

    What proof does he offer for this claim?

  50. idealogus says: • Website
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    “Holodomor was likely not as bad ….”

    Yes, for russians was not that bad but for ucrainians was really bad. I guess that you are from Rusia?!

  51. anastasia says:

    There are all kinds of quotes of that “law” they said was backdated. What kind of law is it anyway to be written on something that it no better than a cocktail napkin.
    There is another so-called “law” floating around out there that showed it was to be used for soldiers injured in battle. The fact that the one quoted in this article was backdated to the time of the commencement of war with Poland indicates what kind of patients Hitler had in mind when he wrote it, and why he backdated it, if any of this story is true. There are so many forgeries out there, it is hard to know. As a matter of fact, there is a story out there that there was a euthanasia program during the Weimar Republic that was “curtailed” by Hitler, and after the Church protested it, he did away with it altogether. Weimar Republic was notorious for their Eugenics program.

    But we have a Euthanasia Program now in the US. It’s called “hospice”. On “hospice”, you get no curative care. No antibiotics, no blood, only narcotics, narcotics that are designed to have you dead in one week. I know someone who went on hospice care – narcotics were coming to the house from various drug stores every day for the patient’s “last” week, and when she died and they were called to pronouce the patient dead, they ignored her and instead ran around the house collecting all the narcotics that had been delivered by different drug stores in the last week of thepatient’s life. When the relative asked, “what are you doing?” They said they were collecting “with the permission of the family” the drugs for “Doctors Without Borders”, and the relative replied, “don’t the Doctors Without Borders need any “non-narcotics”, for they were in the house too, but not taken. It was pretty obivous what these people were up to.

    Doctors are permitted to give patients in dire condition pain killers and narcotics. They are simply not permitted to give enough to kill you. Hospice is allowed to give enough to kill you, and they do, that is, kill you.

    Forget Living Wills. My advice is that if you are elderly, and in the hospital, get an armed body guard to sit next to your bed.

  52. To judge by this piece and his previous piece on Poland and the outbreak of war, Wear appears to have mastered the art of making a spurious claim appear reasonable by the strategic omission or distortion of key points.

    Here, I noticed three instances of this. First, as Wear himself notes, the Euthanasia programme became known and produced widespread protests, culminating in it being officially halted in August 1941.

    If Hitler and the Nazis had intended to proceed with the extermination of the Jews, surely the obvious moral was that this time, secrecy would have to be preserved?

    That would also nicely explain the lack of official orders, documentation, and widespread knowledge, wouldn’t it? I’m married; if I’m conducting an illicit affair, it’d hardly be proof of my innocence that I hadn’t written down the dates and times of my assignations on the kitchen calendar.

    The second instance is trivial, but distinctly distasteful. As it happens, Finkelstein’s family was virtually exterminated in the Holocaust on both sides; his parents really are Holocaust survivors. The import of his mother’s remark was that there were so many people who obviously hadn’t experienced the Holocaust in any immediate way at all that were passing themselves off as ‘survivors’; they were charlatans.

    It wasn’t that the Holocaust hadn’t happened; yet this is the meaning that Wear attaches to Finkelstein’s quote. Finkelstein, of course, is quite sure the Holocaust occurred — hence his lack of elderly relatives. It’s the abuse and exploitation of that tragedy he objects to.

    Finally, there are Himmler’s remarks in Posen. If Himmler didn’t mean ‘physical extermination’ by ‘ausrotten’, why did he go on to remark that ‘this glorious page ih our history can never be written,’ (or words to that effect). If he really was talking about simple ‘evacuation,’ why would it have been necessary to never write of it?

    But Wear doesn’t bring that up. Rather, he presents part of the evidence — and in such a way as to suggest nothing happened at all.

    …and people who wish to believe the Holocaust didn’t occur will willingly imbibe this, without thinking to read it critically.

    You can’t get anywhere that way. You have to accept that the way reality is and was is distinct from the way you wish it had been.

  53. eah says:
    @Anonymouse

    Look, I’ll be as fair to you as I can: your first comment was just a typically bland regurgitation of rather amorphous support for the conventional ‘Holocaust’ story: you mention Wannsee, which contains no hard evidence of intent to murder: like I said, you must accept the sinister interpretation of Endlösung as meaning mass murder — also some (dubious) post-war count of Jews, where you are also required to believe that any Jew determined to be missing or unaccounted for must have been murdered by the Nazis — clearly this is absurd, even irrational: a matter of religion/faith, not facts/evidence.

    Your second comment here was clownish.

    Almost 75 years have elapsed since the end of WWII — surely whatever evidence of the ‘Holocaust’ that exists has been uncovered by now — given that, the following is the only appropriate Einstellung of any rational person: imagine an adversarial court proceeding, one where evidence and testimony can be introduced and challenged by both sides; then use the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard to decide if the evidence is sufficient to convict on the charges of 1) a conspiracy to murder Jews, and 2) the commission of this act.

    If you are unable to do that, then go away and leave the discussion of this historical event to adults — and never serve on a jury, since you cannot be trusted.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  54. ‘You can’t get anywhere that way. You have to accept that the way reality is and was is distinct from the way you wish it had been.’

    Ironically, here we have yet another parallel between the Third Reich and Israel.

    The only motive I can see for people to accomplish the considerable mental feat of convincing themselves the Holocaust didn’t happen is that they would rather it hadn’t occurred; they admire Nazi Germany in some respects (as I do) and they want to absolve it of this decidedly indefensible crime.

    Israel lovers really are very similar. They will insist that a demonstrably invented ancient past is factual, that Israel’s crimes didn’t happen, that really, Israel is a perfectly peaceful state made up of reasonable people living in their rightful homeland who would rather peacefully get along with their neighbors if only they could.

    It’s the same thing: the insistence on substituting what the writer would prefer for what is (or was).

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  55. @padre

    All the main parties in the war ran concentration camps. The Americans ran camps to hold German troops after the war in which thousands died, and had camps to hold Japanese and perhaps German Americans during the war. The Soviets ran the Gulags and took over the German camps and used them for their own internment purposes after the war, and the British ran concentration camps during the Boar War in which thousands died.

  56. BADmejr says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course, whenever men of the right fight back against AntiFa, they are arrested. Just look at the Proud Boys. Defending oneself against them often means prison time, yet the leftists never seem to get much, if any, time, even for outrageous attacks using weapons or destroying property.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. @Priss Factor

    He [Hitler] created the climate and he started the war. . . . he created war conditions in which radical Nazis would run riot and do horrible stuff. And he didn’t do anything to stop it.

    Wrong on the evidence, Priss, as Unz forum has demonstrated:

    The Conquest of the United States by Britain … with a little help from her friends [by]
    Stephen J. Sniegoski
    , a review of Thomas Mahl’s Desperate Deception: British Covert Operations in the United States, 1939–1944

    The American historical establishment never accepted the World War II revisionists’ contention that the American people had been tricked into war by a duplicitous Franklin Roosevelt, who falsely claimed that his policies would keep the United States at peace while doing his utmost to involve the country in war. According to the long-held establishment version of American entry into World War II, a reluctant U.S. government had been dragged into war by the force of circumstances — the belligerent actions of Germany and Japan.

    What Thomas Mahl’s taboo-shattering book makes clear, however, is that the revisionist interpretation was not only much closer to the truth, but that it, in fact, did not go nearly far enough — failing as it did to recognize the extent to which British intelligence had orchestrated the interventionist effort.

    American and British Jews allied with British efforts: Benjamin Ginsberg wrote in “How the Jews Defeated Hitler,”

    “Jews resisted through their influence in the United States. During the 1930s, most Americans were isolationist, anti-British, or pro-German . . . America’s white Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) elite, though, was pro-British, while the Jews were anti-German. With the encouragement of the Franklin D Roosevelt administration and British intelligence, the Jews and WASPs forged an alliance that worked to bring about shifts in American public opinion, to discredit isolationist groups, and to give Roosevelt the political backing he sought for rearmament, the introduction of universal military training, and critical lend-lease aid to Britain and the USSR.”

    That is, Jews (and WASPs) enabled the draft of American men who were otherwise opposed to war.

    Ginsberg continues:

    “Jews played a major role in maintaining popular morale [aka propaganda], selling bonds and organizing the economics of the war effort.”

    That is, Jews arranged for American taxpayers to finance a war that they did not wish to join; Henry Morgenthau, JR implemented the payroll withholding system as the income tax was expanded from a relatively few high-earners to the broad swathe of America’s working class.
    Say Thank You to Mr. Morgenthau.

    Lynne Olson’s Those Angry Days includes details on how Jewish participation in the propaganda effort, and vilification of those Americans who opposed war, attempted and succeeded in “creating the climate of war.”

    Almost from the time Hitler assumed the chancellorship, Jews started agitating to “create the climate” for war. The first six months of 1933, zionist Jews pulled out all the stops,
    Jews declared an economic war against Germany intended to “bring Germany to its knees” and “destroy the export trade upon which Germany’s existence depends”
    By May, 1933 Rabbi Stephen Wise’s son published a bookful of vilification and demonization of Germans
    Jews sponsored marches, rallies, a mock trial demonizing Germans and Germany, and mocked and marginalized German diplomats who attempted to push back against the combined British – Jewish propaganda and attempts to “create a climate to start a war.”

    Meanwhile, in Germany, as NS consolidated authority, “violence against Jews was quelled;” (Breitman & Lichtman, FDR & the Jews); the German government’s goals were to revitalize the German economy, correct 50% unemployment, build adequate housing, get beggars and prostitutes off the streets, feed thousands of orphans —

    If you think Never Again has meaning, get the history right, Priss; the same entities are pumping out the same propaganda for the same beneficiary — zionist Israel.

  58. Skeptikal says:

    You cannot begin to understand the concentration camp system in Germany and conquered territories unless you begin with the basic fact that the system was founded and administered by the SS, not the government of the Third Reich.

    If you do not deal with the most basic fact about the camps, any conclusions you reach are bound to be on shaky ground.

    The camps were locuses of both industry and extermination. The SS-Totenkopfverband was an economic entity in charge of the camps. different from the Waffen-SS. You might compare the SS-TKV to companies that run prisons. The prisoners’ labor is of course valuable. The need for labor was always in competition with the drive to keep costs down. Of course many who survived selection because they were capable of labor still died of typhus and also were worked to death.

    Why would Hitler be directly involved with the SS-TKV and the activities in the camps when he was trying to run a war?

    The article linked below is a good summary of the evolving nature of the camps as industrial sites and then sites of extermination (the latter didn’t begin until 1942, mainly in connection with the need to empty the Polish Lebensraum of its Polish pop; much of the extermination program should, I believe, be viewed as ethnic cleansing—not straight extermination of Jews qua Jews; non-Jewish Poles also were exterminated for the same reason).

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/ss-and-the-camp-system

    The camps did not start out as extermination camps at all. They started first as sites to “concentrate” political undesirables. then they evolved into industrial sites (obviously, many inmates died off during this phase). Only at the end of a 9-year evolution (the first camp, Dachau, was opened in 1933) did some camps to a lesser or greater degree (esp. Auschwitz) become sites of extermination. And this later phase was the one where the need for labor was most starkly in competition with the drive to empty Poland and Europe of Jews.

    One relevant graf from the above-linked article:
    “At this time, the SS founded a number of companies, such as the German Earth and Stone Works (Deutsche Erd- und Steinwerke; DESt) and the German Equipment Works (Deutsche Ausrüstungswerke; DAW) to produce construction materials and equipment for the SS. The Sachsenhausen (1936), Buchenwald (1937), Flossenbürg (1938), and Mauthausen (1938) **concentration camp sites were chosen precisely because of their proximity to soil suitable for making bricks, to a brickworks factory, or to stone quarries.** In 1938, the Criminal Police initiated two massive roundups of so-called “work-shy” and asocial individuals, in part to increase the concentration camp population available for forced labor. Among the so-called work-shy and asocials whom the Kripo incarcerated were Roma (Gypsies).”

    Most famous, though not mentioned in this graf, is the Bunawerk in Monowitz (Auschwitz III).
    “The SS established the camp in October 1942 at the behest of IG Farben executives to provide slave labor for their Buna Werke (Buna Works) industrial complex. The name Buna was derived from the butadiene-based synthetic rubber and the chemical symbol for sodium (Na), a process of synthetic rubber production developed in Germany. Other German industrial enterprises built factories with their own subcamps, such as Siemens-Schuckert’s Bobrek subcamp, close to Monowitz, to profit from the use of slave labor. The German armaments manufacturer Krupp, headed by SS member Alfried Krupp, also built their own manufacturing facilities near Monowitz.[4]

    Monowitz held around 12,000 prisoners, the great majority of whom were Jews, in addition to non-Jewish criminals and political prisoners. The SS charged IG Farben three Reichsmarks (RM) per day for unskilled workers, four (RM) per hour for skilled workers, and one and one-half (RM) for children. The camp contained an “Arbeitsausbildungslager” (labor education camp) for non-Jewish prisoners viewed as not up to par with German work standards. The life expectancy of Jewish workers at Buna Werke was three to four months; for those working in the outlying mines, only one month. Those deemed unfit for work were gassed at Auschwitz II-Birkenau.”

    Like everything else in the history of the Third Reich, timing and chronology is everything. A point that very often is totally ignored by putative experts on “the Holocaust” both deniers and religious believers. The Third Reich was a dynamic system constantly and quickly evolving in which ruthless operatives could easily establish fiefdoms of various sorts.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan, Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  59. @Colin Wright

    The Holocaust DIDN’T happen the way we’ve been told.

    jews died, yes, but there was NOT an organized effort to slaughter massive numbers of jews.

    jews were placed in WORK camps, not death camps.

    The official narrative makes no sense at all. If you apply any semblance of logic to the story it simply falls apart.

    The jewish led Bolsheviks actually mass murdered MILLIONS of innocent Orthodox Christians in Russia, burned churches to the ground, raped nuns, killed priests…….and the German people knew they were NEXT.

    The so called “Holocaust” story was embellished, the numbers insanely exaggerated, to form a state religion that has been used as a deadly weapon against the innocent people of Christendom, to blame the western world for crimes that never occurred.

  60. Anonymous[648] • Disclaimer says:
    @BADmejr

    Right. Set up and then arrested by municipal cops groveling before their paymasters in the way the Republican Guard did during the French Revolution, who in the latter case were similarly uniformed and armed goons protecting the crooks in charge. I come from a long line of cops and it makes me sick to see today’s whores in blue in places like Portland, who’re basically flunkies for the leftist, American-hating money from nearby Nike that owns city hall.

  61. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:

    There are many contemporary documents on the Holocaust, see:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html

    It is also the case that plenty of Germans knew or suspected it was occurring during the war:

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgen%C3%B6ssische_Kenntnis_vom_Holocaust#Deutsches_Reich

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  62. It’s generally accepted that the Nazis killed all the Jews they encountered as they marched eastward toward the USSR. They regarded them as partisans, which would be a defensible classification in the sense that Jews would naturally oppose them — obviously we have moved beyond ‘due process.’ On these expeditions the death toll could have run into the millions. Who knows? Were there gas chambers at the eastern camps? Since the camps have been razed we don’t know, do we?

    Both the Communists and the Nazis seemed willing to engage in mass-murder of groups standing in the way of their plans.

    The article above is marred by the inclusion of some notorious ‘deniers’ among the experts cited. While there’s no reason a fascist can’t render an objective opinion, a skeptic is unlikely to trust him.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  63. @idealogus

    Surname is Grushevskiy. Born Moscow but family is historically West Ukraine/Poland.. the ‘funky’ regions of current history! 🙂

  64. Zumbuddi says:
    @Skeptikal

    USHMM is not a credible source.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  65. Oh bullshit.

    “Killed all the jews they encountered as they marched eastward?”

    You mean all three of them?

    What kind of idiocy is this?

    “Could have killed millions?”

    You are a blatant liar and a fool.

    Nobody believes this nonsense.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  66. @ChiNaz

    The role of the Slavs in all this is very interesting. Ever since Communism collapsed we have seen the west scrambling to find ways to keep these countries from reverting to Christianity and nationalism, probably on the theory that faith and patriotism carry seeds of anti-Semitism not to mention homophobia and patriarchy. Russia is Enemy Number One because it is the lone Slavic nation with a nuclear deterrant and army large enough to stand up to NATO.

    When I was a boy in the early 60s I used to hear complaining about ‘eastern Europeans’ that had an anti-Catholic tinge. During the Cold War, you would occasionally see a newspaper column warning that Communism was doing a good job of keeping at bay the ‘dark forces’ in the Slavic soul, and we should not be quick to go to the aid of any Communist satellite nations that rebelled, e.g. Hungary or Czechoslavokia. It was actually a fairly common position among ‘liberals’ in the Cold War period that Communism was one of the more attractive options for eastern Europe.

  67. @eah

    You do not address the existence of published pre-war censuses in various Euopean countries which precised the number of jews in their jurisdictions and censuses in those countries taken after WW II. When compared, they demonstrate a diminuition of jews by ~5 million during the war. Vad Yashem was able to list the names of half the estimated death toll of jews under Hitler, that is 2.4 million names.

    According to you, those millions didn’t die but chose to run away to . . . where? Not to Palestine subsequently Israel which had a population of less than 500,000 in 1947. Not to the US where the jewish population before and after WW II barely increased, less than 5,000,000 in 1940 to 5,367,000-5,531,500 in 1960. Where then?

    You don’t even try to explain away those facts.

  68. Zumbuddi says:
    @jack daniels

    The article above is marred by the inclusion of some notorious ‘deniers’ among the experts cited. While there’s no reason a fascist can’t render an objective opinion, a skeptic is unlikely to trust him.”

    Comment 58 cites the “notorious” USHMM website.
    USHMM has a massive financial and political interest in its topic.

    Has USHMM ever been known to present countervailing, objective evidence?

    If “a skeptic is unlikely to trust” a “fascist,” what irrational mechanism induces so many to trust an entity like USHMM, that has such an obvious lack of objectivity?

    Fear?
    Sustained coercion?
    Appeal ad misericordiam ?
    Long-term psychological warfare tactics?

  69. Wally says:
    @Mike Garrett

    “Over-blown” is a huge understatement. Contrived is the word.

    Per Buchenwald, you’ll see the staged ‘human skin lampshade, shrunken heads, tattooed skin’ placed on tables by the Allies and the likes of Hollywood’s Billy Wilder:

    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil, By DenierBud
    https://codoh.com/library/document/1529/?lang=en
    and also see:
    Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest photo…
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7489

  70. @freedom-cat

    The water table is extremely high at Auschwitz. You can’t bury bodies there, and so people who died (of any cause) were cremated.

    Additionally there were raging Typhus epidemics on at least 2 occasions. So even if it were possible to bury the bodies they would have cremated them instead.

  71. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    – What documents?

    – Like the ones submitted by the Soviets at Nuremberg which ‘proved’ that Jews were steamed to death like lobsters at Treblinka?

    – real documents from the U.S. National Archives reveal that the U.S. government helped cover up the Soviet 1940 massacre on some 20,000 Poles at Katyn and other places — not just during the war, but even afterwards. The Katyn Massacre

    – Your biggest problem is the fact that your corrupt “Holocau$t Industry” claims that millions upon millions of human remain exist in allegedly known locations, but they do not.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  72. @Robert Dolan

    ‘The Holocaust DIDN’T happen the way we’ve been told.

    jews died, yes, but there was NOT an organized effort to slaughter massive numbers of jews…’

    I disagree.

    Evidence for mass murder aside, consider this.

    Why wouldn’t the Nazis have exterminated the Jews? They certainly weren’t averse to killing others: political opponents, Poles, Russian POW’s.

    None of these groups were actually evil in the minds of the Nazis so much as in the way. The death by starvation of perhaps three million Russian POW’s in the summer and fall of 1941 is perhaps the best illustration of this casual brutality: the Germans simply let the Russians starve to death until it dawned on them they might have a use for their labor. There was no overwhelming ideological or practical reason to put the Russians to death — it just suited the Germans to let it happen. When a practical reason to keep the POW’s alive appeared, the Germans started keeping the POW’s alive — it was never all that important one way or the other.

    But then we have the Jews: the source of all evil, fiends incarnate. Nazi ideology was hazy about a lot of things; but it was clear on that. Slavs et al are racial inferiors and must make way for us Germans — but Jews are the enemy.

    It would have been odd if the Nazis hadn’t decided to kill all the Jews. You presume a humanitarian tolerance would be the default position when in fact from the Nazi point of view, a steely resolve to eradicate this menace once and for all was what was called for.

  73. @Anonymouse

    ‘According to you, those millions didn’t die but chose to run away to . . . where? Not to Palestine subsequently Israel which had a population of less than 500,000 in 1947. ‘

    I agree with your larger point here, but your half million ignores all the Jews still in displaced persons camps in 1947.

    Once Israel became independent in 1948, all those Jews were promptly funneled into Palestine: I’d guess the total was somewhere around another half million, but maybe it was more.

    There really isn’t all that much dispute about the reality of the Holocaust among serious researchers: even David Irving has conceded that it’s a proven fact that two and half million Jews were murdered in the Aktion Reinhard camps alone — he might minimize the toll attributable to deliberate starvation, Auschwitz, and shootings further east, but he’d be hard-pressed to seriously argue for fewer than three and a half million all told. Other researchers whose figures I recall come up with various tallies between 5.1 and 5.9 million.

    So 3.5 million to 5.9 million? By the standards of historical research, for an event so widespread and often so hazily documented, that’s not bad. As far as the moral implications go, I completely fail to see much distinction between 3.5 million and 5.9 million. Do we regard a mass shooter who kills ‘only’ thirty five people as somehow more acceptable than one who kills fifty nine?

    Everyone knows what happened except for those who would rather not.

  74. @Colin Wright

    You are full of shit.

    There is ZERO evidence to support any sort of “exterminations.”

    It didn’t happen.

    Now fuck off.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  75. Wally says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    LOL, you’re desperately pulling out all the Zionist propaganda cliches.

    – Hitler never referred to others as being “sub-human”. recommended:
    “Master Race” / Herrenrasse / Herrenvolk – a deliberate mistranslation: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12400

    – Gas vans? Why fake them if they were real? see:
    Gas Van Film and Photo Fraud / German News Magazine and Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Museum Caught Faking Photo and Film Captions: http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
    ex.:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goqy3Z5UWYg
    Scholar Graf debunks the laughable ‘gas vans’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8251
    alleged ‘gas vans mass murderer’ SS Rauff worked for the Israelis
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4195

    British propaganda, fake Namibian / Herero ‘genocide’ debunked: https://www.unz.com/?s=herero&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    – I also suggest you actually read what has been posted here utterly refuting the silly claim that the T4 euthanasia was used outside of what the legal and rather common program intended.

  76. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    Not to the US where the jewish population before and after WW II barely increased, less than 5,000,000 in 1940 to 5,367,000-5,531,500 in 1960.

    Make that “5,531,500 +1”.

    A few weeks ago a female caller to C Span narrated her own family’s migration narrative, in support of the invite the world meme du jour.
    She sympathized with “those poor Mexicans” being detained at the border, and compared them to “those poor Jews” who fared so badly.
    “But,” she confessed, “when we left Europe we brought a Jewish girl with us, and smuggled her in as our nanny.”

    It’s a metaphysical certainty that is the sole, single, solitary time such a thing happened.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  77. @Wizard of Oz

    David Irving translated Goebbels’ Diaries. He knows fully well that Goebbels wrote that the Jews would have to be dealt with after the war, perhaps by a different administration.

    And what imaginary Co2 trucks? Were these the same phantasmagoric tales like the gas chamber disguised as a telephone booth?

    https://books.google.ca/books?id=TJ0zqRpkHscC&pg=PA248&lpg=PA248&dq=gas+chamber+disguised+as+a+telephone+booth&source=bl&ots=eRHvksJyiL&sig=ACfU3U2YVk4dP14MtGUkeBjiTp2qM4S9Ig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLhaipmZzlAhUFpJ4KHRPbANIQ6AEwFHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=gas%20chamber%20disguised%20as%20a%20telephone%20booth&f=false

  78. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Comments like Colin Wright’s #54 and #72 are beginning to make be wonder if some — like Wright — are not projecting their own deeply-felt animus toward Jews.

    How could one ascribe to the mind of another — Nazis — “a steely resolve to eradicate this menace once and for all” if that sentiment has no existence in the thinker’s own mind?

  79. @Colin Wright

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-30980497/holocaust-era-violins-play-again

    Please explain the Auschwitz Orchestra then.

    Entertainment for the dead? How progressive!

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  80. Skeptikal says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Well, I was certainly expecting this basically ad hominem response.
    That is not an argument. It is nothing. Nada.
    That is akin to declining to challenge an argument and instead labeling it a conspiracy theory.
    It has no intellectual credibility.
    Chapter and verse, please, What info in the article are you challenging?

    The interesting thing is that at the end of the article a figure of 2 million exterminated in death camps is given.

    I maintain as I have done in the past that those who do not speak German are in no position to appoint themselves adjudicators of what *really* occurred in the Third Reich. Tehy simply cannot access the relevant documents. RElying solely on David Irving, who did speak German, is the excuse here. But Irving doesnt’t make silly wholesale statements such as many on this blog when it comes to nazi Germany.

    I am also taken aback at the willful ignorance of those who make statements such as “the Nazis did X.” When it comes to the operation of the camps, the Einsatzgruppen etc. there is no such thing as “the Nazis.” That is not the operative entity. You must understand and take into account the structure, hierarchy, functions of the different bureaucracies/adminsitrations and the people who headed them to understand how the Third Reich worked and how the Holocaust actually came about and was executed. There was enormous competition among different Third Reich bureaucracies and military and paramilitary units. This in turn is separate from the “official” military. For example the major action to eliminate the Polish military, intellectual, and religious elite was carried out by the SS-TV basically in secret from the army officer corps. Etc.

    Go and do your own reading to correct your ignorance.
    I don’t take ap osition on “the Holocaust/hoax.” I am sure there is plenty of room for revision. But I do take a position regarding the validity of the pov of puffed-up ignoramuses! The add nothing to the actual historical debate.

  81. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:

    Hitler’s signature is actually present on at least one document ordering Gnadentod (“mercy death”). But the programme encountered significant resistance, not least from the Catholic Church, and was officially ended. Unofficially it continued, particularly in the occupied Eastern territories.

    The business influenced the attitude to that other problem the Nazis faced, and taught two lessons –
    1. Don’t kill them in Germany – word will get out. Instead move them east, then kill them
    2. Don’t leave such a bureaucratic trail

  82. Dr. X says:

    My own thinking on this question is that the most logical and parsimonious explanation for what happened is a combination of euthanasia and Holocaust.

    Did large numbers of Jews die on the Eastern Front? Of course. Many were shot, worked to death, or died of communicable diseases. Were six million gassed with Zyklon B? Rubbish! Of course not.

    It’s important to remember that the camps were labor camps, and the Reich had an interest in keeping the Jews in the camps alive to provide labor for the war effort, particularly as casualties mounted and Germany started scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of manpower. That being said, the people in the camps would also have literally been on the bottom of the food chain, and many surely starved as resources became scarce.

    What would have happened to the Jews deported to the camps who too ill, elderly, or feeble to work? Most likely they were subjected to euthanasia by carbon monoxide. If the Reich was willing to euthanize disabled Aryans, surely it was going to euthanize disabled Jews.

    The people arguing this issue tend to either try to sanitize the record of Germany, or conversely, exaggerate the record of Germany to advance Jewish political or cultural interests.

    Yes, Germany most certainly committed many atrocities, but it didn’t gas six million Jews with Zyklon B, either.

    War is hell.

    • Agree: Pegasus, renfro
  83. @Wally

    I would add that if the statement:

    “Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Med Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the powers of specific physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment, are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death after the most careful assessment of their condition.”

    is accurate, then the patients had to agree or request the death, otherwise, the phrase “can be granted mercy death” would be something akin to “will be killed”. A grant is a response to a request.

    As for “ausrotten” it meant uproot, or root out. We have a similar transformation in English where “gay” as in carefree or happy, now means sodomite.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Skeptikal
  84. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Good, although their attitude to Soviet POWs was more than just that they were in the way – they were millions of mouths to feed – “Mongol physiognomies from the POW camps” as the SS brochure Der Untermensch put it. They would, rather not, especially in the conditions of 1941 when they expected swift victory.

  85. Skeptikal says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    “Please explain the Auschwitz Orchestra then.”

    The existence of the Auschwitz Orchestra is very easy to “explain.”
    A lot of people were living at Auschwitz. Not all who entered the camp were killed there.
    Also, not all of them were Jews.

    Please see my post regarding the dual nature of the concentration camps.
    Or just check it out yourself at Wiki or some other source.
    The camps were a *profit center* for the SS–get it?
    The SS was Himmler’s private realm within the Reich.
    Each camp also had an extensive paramilitary, administrative, and even medical and kitchen staff, up to hundreds of men and women and their families in the larger camps.
    Profit was derived mainly from two sources:
    1. Contracts with industrialists and others (that is, much smaller outfits) for the use of slave labor that was hired out—also to smaller entities such as farms, small businesses, public works, etc. In fact these latter arrangements seem to have been the primary way German civilians could become aware of the use of slave labor. However, there were extreme sanctions in place that terrorized non-interned Germans out of doing anything to help the prisoners, such as passing them some food. Although some did try to pass some food.
    2. The belongings (jewelry, etc.) of Jews and others interned in the camps. Many of these items such as clothing also were turned over to the state for the use of the non-Jewish, non-detained Germans.

    Auschwitz was like a small city w ith a number of functions. The orchestra boosted morale and also was part of the PR conducted to sanitize the image of the camps.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
    , @Wally
  86. It’s so plainly evident that this holocaust story is likely the greatest hoax in the history of mankind. But like so many others, I was carefully indoctrinated to suspend disbelief and accept the absurd tales, probably beginning somewhere in the late 1960’s or early 1970’s.

    I feel both shame and anger recognizing what little critical thought I ever applied to the ridiculous science fiction behind it all. I also appreciate how easily, what child’s play it is, for those in control to convince people that lies are truth and evil is good.

    Once you understand this incomprehensively immense lie, so much else comes into clear view. It’s not the world it could have been.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  87. The Jewish US History teacher in high school showed us this movie in the 1970s.

  88. @Skeptikal

    My German is limited. However, there are many sites such as this:
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/welcome.html
    That publish in English and German. While it doesn’t take a position on the Holocaust, it does provide a lot of information on other aspects of NS Germany, none of which fits the narrative.
    Additionally, Carlos Whitlock Porter, https://www.cwporter.com/ whose articles are also found on the codoh site, is a translator by profession. He has written many articles elaborating on the deliberate mis-translation of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal proceedings and documents, including “ausrotten”.
    I took a lot of heat before the Zundel trials in the mid 80s, because I was opposed to his prosecution, but thought little of the official narrative. Either you have the right to a political opinion, or you don’t, and the Holocaust narrative is a political issue, whether you like it or not. As the trials unfolded, even the completely biased news coverage could not hide the fact that the prosecution witnesses, including Raul Hilberg, and the man who started it all Rudolf Vrba, under cross examination, were exposed little more than serial liars. I was astounded. By the way, Hilberg refused to testify at the 2nd trial, presumably because he was humiliated at the first.
    I would add one last thing., the minutes of the Wannasee Conference, which allegedly was the genesis of Hilberg’s meeting of the minds, are available on line. It provides estimates of the number of Jews in Europe under occupied German control, and not under German control. There were approx 4.2 million Jews under their control, and 6.8 not under their control, including 5 million in the USSR.
    Post war, the German government, by 1948, had 4.8 million claiming reparations. Jews from the Soviet controlled areas were excluded. This included Poland, East Germany and Czechoslovakia.
    It takes an amazing accountant to calculate that 600,000 more than they had control over claimed reparations, while 6,000,000 were lost in the process.
    I am 70 years old, my uncle, a Jew, was a WWII vet (as were my father and 3 other uncles). I never once heard the Holocaust narrative cross his lips. Perhaps it was because his family disowned him for marrying a shiksa.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  89. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    – You mean the 1.25M murdered dead Jews that were supposedly cremated and their remains buried at Auschwitz which do not exist?

    said:
    “The death by starvation of perhaps three million Russian POW’s in the summer and fall of 1941 is perhaps the best illustration of this casual brutality:

    – For which you have no proof.

    ” Slavs et al are racial inferiors and must make way for us Germans — but Jews are the enemy.”

    Only in your desperate Zionist mind. There is zero proof that Hitler thought of slavs as ‘sub-human’, see my earlier comment for more.

    Healthy Jews at Auschwitz ‘liberation’:http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/PICS31/66935a.jpg

  90. @Skeptikal

    So they were independent of the overbearing statism of Nazist Germany?

    Strange. Seems dissonant to me. Either Hitler was a micromanager or not.. or he was incompetent in this respect.

    But if you say Auschwitz was a business, it was not an extermination camp – death does not pay!

    I can see how a warring state would employ plausible slave labour for their needs, and kill off other useless members, but that is not an intentional genocide of a peoples. That is just, well, much closer to the fabled ‘German efficiency’!

    This still plays ‘well’ for the sufferers. But then – why not play the truth vs fables?

  91. Zumbuddi says:
    @Skeptikal

    See # 68.

    In my considered judgment, USHMM has no “intellectual credibility.”

    An institution that sustains its existence, it’s extraordinary taxpayer revenue stream, and it’s self-serving narrative by coercion; and that can be demonstrated to purvey outright lies, slandering entire nations for its own benefit and that of the Jewish people exclusively, is not objective & does not merit my “chapter and verse” efforts.

    USHMM has disseminated lies that have caused incalculable human siffering. It deserves scorn, not the respect of my efforts.

    As for your claim that only German speakers are qualified — it appears Deborah Lipstadt is fluent in Hebrew but not in German. Do you disqualify her? How about Steven Spielberg?

  92. @Crimson2

    “Here’s to the authors here at Unz meeting the same fate as their heroes Goring and Himmler.”

    Your response is the result of classical conditioning. Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov discovered this technique to manipulate emotional behavior when he conditioned dogs through association to (emotionally) salivate in response to a bell.

    If your mind had not been so conditioned, you would have replied with a reason for your belief that the holocaust story is a true and accurate history. Instead, you heard the bell and responded with an emotional attack on the person who expressed his opinion, as you were conditioned.

    I first started questioning the holocaust story as an adult when I noticed how it was used in an emotional and political way: people boiled into soap, skin made into lampshades, etc. Stories like this which make you cringe are the hallmark of propaganda. Remember the 1990 story about soldiers of Iraq “taking the Kuwaiti babies out of the incubators and throwing them on the cold hard floor”. It shuts down all discussion and turns the listeners into an emotional mob of fear and hatred.

    Also, I wondered why the Germans would transport the jewish prisoners by train to prison camps, house, feed, clothe, and manage them, and then months or years later engage in this James Bond like plot to drop poison gas into the showers of unsuspecting prisoners. Again, it makes you cringe and shuts down rational thought, as intended.

    When the Russians wanted to murder 22,000 poles in the Katyn massacre, they marched them out into the forrest and shot them.

    • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
    • Replies: @refl
  93. Wally says:
    @Skeptikal

    You’re just desperately punting now.
    So what, the labor camps made things. No one questions that.
    I note you ignore the “save labor” employed by the Allies.

    So tell us how any of the alleged ‘gas chambers’ supposedly work.

    You refer us to Wikipedia? LOL Seriously? Laughable Zionist controlled Wikipedia?
    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for anything which Jews have a special interest in promoting. It’s rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

  94. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Indeed:

    Holocaust Industry’s Jonathan Harrison & Roberto Muehlenkamp ripped on the ‘ausrottung’ canard: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10708

    “Ausrottung”/”ausrotten” explained: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2249

  95. @Anonymous

    Here is an Hitlerism:

    That is a quote from Hitler’s speech on January 30, 1939. It is often brought up by the pro-extermination debaters… and always only this single sentence out of the three-hour speech. Especially much not quoted in these contexts are the paragraphs immediately before and after it.

    Fortunately, in this day and age there is also:

    http://worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Hitler%20Speeches/Hitler%20Key%20Speeches%20Index.htm

    This page supplies the entire speech in the original German as well as in English translation, so non-Germanophones can also read it. As a little game, I will leave our readers with only the link, sans any commentary. The text speaks rather well for itself, and shows rather clearly that the pro-extermination interpretation of it is untenable. A cookie to whoever first tells us how and why this is so.

    Incidentally, we should perhaps also note, this is not necessarily to say that there was no extermination. But either way, this speech supplies no proof of one.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  96. @Colin Wright

    I agree. Every man dies alone. I agree also that some/many jews have utilised the fact of the holocaust of other jews in bad faith. Alain Finkelhaut has written about that syndrome in himself. The child of holocaust survivors he imputed to himself a kind of moral superiority over the others because his parents had suffered that injustice. Eventually he recognized that he was deceiving himself.

  97. @The_seventh_shape

    The British invented concentration camps during the Boer War.
    The Soviets used camps. Search–>Yagoda: millions died

    The Americans put up barbed wire and at least 1 million German POW’s died.

    The Germans: I’ve seen no evidence that is credible OTHER than the Allies destroyed German logistics resulting in the Deaths of up to 300,000 due to Starvation and Disease.

    The German people returning from the OstDerLieblung (the Eastward migration of Germans that took place over a thousand years): 5 Million or more died returning to their ‘homes’ in rump Germany.

    The real history of WW2 has yet to be written. The criminality of the Allies has been obscurred by Court Historians.

  98. @Colin Wright

    The death by starvation of perhaps three million Russian POW’s in the summer and fall of 1941 is perhaps the best illustration of this casual brutality: the Germans simply let the Russians starve to death until it dawned on them they might have a use for their labor.

    As written, this is literal recycled Communist propaganda, which was originally bruited by Stalin’s regime to make their own record of mass starvation look less bad via tu quoque. Then, it migrated into leftist German discourse through the East German vector, whence it was in turn picked up by liberal “Western” historians of the Richard Evans stripe (who have been using it ever since).

    There is, however, some truth behind the story, as with all good propaganda, though a rather less demonic one. Namely, German logistics in the winter of 1941 were (due in part to Stalin’s “scorched earth” policy which wrecked the Soviet railways) an utter nightmare: still somewhat famously today, the Wehrmacht couldn’t even supply their own troops with adequate winter gear, and had a hard enough time just keeping them fed. Under such circumstances, it comes as no surprise that EPWs fared even worse.

    Thus, many hundreds of thousands did in fact die due to starvation, disease, and cold. And this, of course, is a real tragedy. But it was not a randomly savage mass murder spree for no reason by the horrible Germans, as the establishment version would have. For further information, see the convincing analysis in “Stalin’s War of Annihilation” by the late Joachim Hoffmann, which our host Ron Unz has occasionally mentioned in his “American Pravda” series.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Colin Wright
  99. @Robert Dolan

    ‘You are full of shit.

    There is ZERO evidence to support any sort of “exterminations.”

    It didn’t happen.

    Now fuck off.’

    Oh dear. Why don’t you experiment tonight with the Cuisinart feed tube and your private parts and let me know how it works out?

  100. @anonymous

    ‘It’s a metaphysical certainty that is the sole, single, solitary time such a thing happened.’

    There’s a reasonable chance it’s simply not true.

  101. @anonymous

    ‘How could one ascribe to the mind of another — Nazis — “a steely resolve to eradicate this menace once and for all” if that sentiment has no existence in the thinker’s own mind?’

    Okay, I’m projecting. Actually, the Nazis bore Jews no particular ill-will at all.

    Fuck…how could anyone discuss this from any angle at all without incurring your suspicions?

  102. @Robert Dolan

    Agree.
    The Big Lies: nothing happened under the JEWISH bolsheviks. It was the Germans.

    Of course, the Germans knew they were next. That’s why lots of them fought to the death in the East. They were volunteers and patriots.

    The modern Communists are the Globalists and the future they have planned for us will make Bolshevik Russia look primitive.

  103. @Anonymouse

    You are a liar.
    The demographic evidence shows NO population losses of ANY significance for European Jewry during WW2.
    Nothing.
    Nada.
    Zilch.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  104. @Skeptikal

    ‘… am also taken aback at the willful ignorance of those who make statements such as “the Nazis did X.” When it comes to the operation of the camps, the Einsatzgruppen etc. there is no such thing as “the Nazis.” That is not the operative entity…’

    Strictly speaking, perhaps not — but it was Nazi ideology that provided the motive force for the whole thing and made it conceivable. After all, various Eastern European peoples were considerably more anti-semitic than the Germans, but while they hated Jews they rarely actually killed them.

    It’s pretty hard to picture a non-Nazi Germany carrying out the Holocaust. Just as Communism made it possible to define various groups as ‘objective class enemies’ and persecute them on that basis, so Nazism defined Jews as a ‘racial enemy’ and made it possible to persecute them on that basis. Absent Nazism, the Holocaust becomes literally inconceivable.

    With Nazism, there was a fatal (pun intended) congruence between the will (the perception of Jews as a deadly racial enemy) coupled with the means (a willingness to employ violence to obtain desired ends). Absent Nazism, those ingredients are both missing.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  105. @Blankaerd

    It would have been much easier, and much cheaper, for those “efficient Germans” to have simply built A CLOTHING LAUNDRY and ENTIRELY PREVENTED any “typhus outbreak”.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  106. @SolontoCroesus

    You are ‘jerrypicking’ the evidence.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  107. Mulegino1 says:

    There really isn’t all that much dispute about the reality of the Holocaust among serious researchers: even David Irving has conceded that it’s a proven fact that two and half million Jews were murdered in the Aktion Reinhard camps alone — he might minimize the toll attributable to deliberate starvation, Auschwitz, and shootings further east, but he’d be hard-pressed to seriously argue for fewer than three and a half million all told. Other researchers whose figures I recall come up with various tallies between 5.1 and 5.9 million.

    While an excellent military historian, David Irving is a rank amateur where this area of revisionism is concerned, and chose to extrapolate wildly from documents concerned with Operation Reinhardt, named after the Finance Minister Reinhardt (not in memory of Reinhard Heydrich) which was a program of deportation and expropriation, and not of mass murder.

    As it unravels, the mendacious official narrative of the Holohoax shifts its venue, its alleged methods of mass murder and corpse disposal and even its “overwhelmingly documented” proofs. This can be easily observed- from the Hollywood contrived horror propaganda of Buchenwald, Belsen and Dachau with the mass graves all of typhus and or hunger victims- not poison gas, it turns out; now no one claims that there was ongoing mass murder by poison gas or mass executions in any of the aforementioned camps.

    So the Holohoax moved east to Auschwitz-Birkenau with its alleged gas chambers and four million dead, then the numbers were revised downwards to million, then 1.2 million- realistically, the death toll at Auschwitz-Birkenau stands at between 69,000 and 150,000 with the overwhelming majority of deaths being attributable to typhus and natural mortality. There never was an “assembly line of death” at Birkenau and there were no homicidal gas chambers there at all, and the so called “ovens” were normal crematory retorts with a 1 body per hour capacity and need for continued maintenance and which could not have been in continuous operation.

    So then the venue for this enormous fantasy was shifted farther east, to the “Operation Reinhardt” camps such as Treblinka II (there is literally nothing there) and the absurd methods of execution claimed therein- gassing with diesel exhaust, steam chambers, pedal driven brain bashing machines, executions by tree felling and- as referenced by none other than Chief Nuremberg Prosecutor Robert Jackson- atomic bombs. Compound this with the impossible story of exhumation of the corpses from the gigantic mass graves (of which there are literally no traces) and their equally impossibly outdoor cremations using rail ties and twigs and branches as fuel.

    When all of the previous claims were falsified, the hoax moved even farther east to the “Holocaust by Bullets” and the Einsatzgruppen with the wildly exaggerated mass executions of “Jews” which were in reality anti-partisan operations and the numbers claimed by Allied propaganda were augmented by orders of magnitude. Although executions did occur, there are no major mass graves even approaching in size and area those of the victims of the Soviet NKVD at Katyn.

    The “where did they go then?” argument is an appeal to ignorance. The official narrative has claimed to know exactly where the Jews went- most- perhaps four million- to six easily located venues- Auschwitz Birkenau, Treblinka II, Sobibor, Chelmno, Majdanek and Belzec, which must contain their remains in mass graves and indisputable evidence of their murder. These places contain nothing of the kind, not anything approaching four million or even four hundred thousand.

    The Shoah Business is a pseudo-religion used to prop up the Jews as victims and allow Jewry to browbeat and extort the Christian people of Europe; furthermore it is based upon lies as its Procrustean and mendacious narrative indisputably demonstrates- falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  108. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin, the point of the article—the point that my post responds to— is that there is no signed document ordering the instigation of the Final Solution. My post is quite specific in its focus.

    Your arguments regarding Nazism and the ethnic and other murders seem to be quite theoretical.
    “It must have been” . . . “It would have been,” etc.

    These are weak arguments. They certainly don’t refute the points made in the article but stick to generalities about what must have been. These very general observations don’t, IMO, actually advance the discussion at all.

    You don’t really seem to have a strong grasp of the actual facts.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  109. Skeptikal says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    “The demographic evidence shows NO population losses of ANY significance for European Jewry during WW2.”

    Can you provide this?

    • Replies: @bjondo
  110. Skeptikal says:
    @John Regan

    My understanding of the treatment of Russian POWs is that the Germans thought of a use for them as forced labor and by 1942 Auschwitz and some other large labor camps were up and running—large enough to accommodate thousands of Russian POWs and others from the Russian territories at that time controlled by Germany.

  111. @Priss Factor

    You are ‘jerrypicking’ the evidence.

    You offered no evidence; just assertions and inapt analogies — “Bush — Abu Ghraib; Mao — madness.”

    If you’ve got cards to play, show ’em. Or fold.

  112. @Wizard of Oz

    You refer to:

    “the possibility that a few million Jews were killed as a result of Nazi attitudes and policies to solve the “Jewish Problem”.”

    If you are suggesting the six million figure is an exaggeration by Jews then you are guilty of antisemitism according to the IHRA.

  113. @John Regan

    Incidentally, we should perhaps also note, this is not necessarily to say that there was no extermination.

    There was no planned extermination of Jews.
    The high number of jewish casualties is due to the fact that most Jews in Europe were communist at that time. The soviet army was a jewish led army, “partisans” were in modern terms terrorists/enemy combatants, miost of the Jews, who were not protected by the Geneva convention, just like the Soviet Army fought outside the Geneva convention, they were not signatory.

    Anyway, no deliberate extermination policy on German side, lacks any evidence and document proof. There is none, as Raul Hilberg had to concede under oath in Toronto, the exterminationist expert liar of the prosecution.
    He had to revise his big fat hoax book, and to take out the claim that there had been a carefully documented extermination plan.

  114. Pegasus says:

    Dear Mr Unz, I have found a bug in your website.

    When going through a particular commenter’s history, after clicking on a response to any of his posts to follow the thread, the server rightly redirects to the beginning of the article in which the thread is, but because all comments are hidden by default, the response in question does not pop up, and one has to instead use the browser “find in page” function to find the thread in question.

    Is this to shorten loading times? Why don’t you sir divide the long column of comments in pages, like say The Guardian does?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  115. ia says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Have you are anyone else here ever considered how so many bodies were disposed of? Even 5 million in 4 years is quite a lot. By my calculations that would be about 104,000 per month. As far as I know there are no memorials where large numbers were found.

    You can’t stack bodies like cord wood. They won’t burn. To cremate a human takes a lot of energy. There’s a lot of greasy smoke and it smells. I’ve been to the burning ghats at Varanasi and can vouch for that and there were only, say, a dozen burned a day, or 360 per month.

  116. @Curmudgeon

    The links you provide are very good. I’d like to add this one because it targets some of the most pertinent revisionist writings in the most important categories. Great for a beginner:
    https://jan27.org/ Just click on the various pages to get a fair sampling of the revisionist positions.

    Especially worthwhile if you’re confused about gas chambers: https://jan27.org/the-luftl-report-by-walter-luftl/ It’s a short book by an engineer that is really helpful.

  117. @Iron Lion Zion

    Are you the best Hasbara has? You guys are in trouble. But hey, I’ll bite. Please provide links to said documentation.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  118. Vinnie O says:
    @freedom-cat

    Beginning well before the war, the standard German method of “burial” included cremation. That is, most Germans were cremated after they died. I have a book on this someplace. I can’t guess where. The issue was “wasting” precious farmland on large burial plots. A similar solution was digging catacombs under the cities, which is why many older European cities (e.g., Paris) have catacombs.

    Also note that especially after 1943 or so, poor sanitation in the East had spawned a serious problem with typhoid fever, which is spread by lice. I think it’s in Speer’s book that mention is made of a general order that any troops rotating back into Germany from the Eastern Front were to be deloused TWICE before they could mix with German civilians. The body of a person who died from typhoid, be they military or civilian, was undoubtedly COVERED with lice. And so burning that body was the safest thing to do.

    Also note that Zyklon B was a standard commercial INSECTICIDE widely sold for fumigating clothing, etc., thought to be infested with lice. So of course the camps had stocks of insecticide on hand when the Allies captured the camps.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Bombercommand
  119. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    Why wouldn’t the Nazis have exterminated the Jews? They certainly weren’t averse to killing others: political opponents, Poles, Russian POW’s.

    Because the Germans weren’t stupid .
    Why waste bullets or time or manpower killing Jews when you could put them to work in camps and factories.
    Every able bodied man in Germany was called into service….someone had to replace those former civilian workers.

    Would a slave owner have killed off his working slaves just because he didn’t like the black Africans?
    I think not…not good business to off your labor pool.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  120. eah says:
    @Vinnie O

    Also note that Zyklon B was a standard commercial INSECTICIDE widely sold for fumigating clothing, etc., thought to be infested with lice.

    Zyklon is extremely dangerous — it was used on the US/Mexico border — eg see this article in The Nation.

    So of course the camps had stocks of insecticide on hand when the Allies captured the camps.

    I don’t know if they did or not (nor do you probably) — but at Auschwitz I, what they show tourists is a big display case full of empty Zyklon containers — of course you are supposed to believe the contents were used to kill Jews, not for fumigation — this is one example of something shown as (more or less) “proof” of mass murder, when there is another perfectly innocent explanation.

    Carlo Mattogno wrote an article about Zyklon deliveries to Auschwitz:

    Zyklon-B Deliveries to Auschwitz

  121. renfro says:

    Nowhere in the archives, which contain mountains of intercepted cipher messages and the reports on bags of mail captured from enemy ships and from overrun enemy positions, is there the slightest evidence that a program of genocide against Jews was known by the German public

    It would do everyone some good if they read thru all the memos and correspondence concerning Jews from ’39 to ’45. These cover everything between the US, other countries and Jewish. organizations and individuals concerning the Jewish situation.

    https://history.state.gov/search?q=Jews&within=documents&start-date=1939-01-01&end-date=1945-01-01&sort-by=relevance
    Displaying 1–10 of 531 results for keyword “Jews” within 1 section between January 1, 1939 at 12:00am and January 1, 1945 at 11:59pm, sorted by relevance.

    You would learn for instance that no one except individuals from or sponsored by the Jewish World Congress reported on mass exterminations of Jews . Only one report of exterminations came to US (or others ) attention and it was from a man sent by the Jewish Congress who claimed he had infiltrated a concentration camp, witnessed killings and then escaped.

    You could also learn that even after Germany held Poland the Nazis were still allowing Jews to leave for any country that would take them and even cooperated with the Red Cross, Polish and US officials and the Zionist org to emigrate them. The Nazis on one occasion let 40,000 Jews go to Russia.

    You can even see US diplomats reports from German occupied countries that say ….such and such group of Jews are assailing the various embassies with horrific tales to try and gain visas and that when investigated their stories proved to be mostly exaggerated.

    You can get a more accurate picture from the real time reports of those on the ground during those times.

  122. I’d like to draw some attention to the carbon monoxide (CO) issue that is rarely discussed. While diesel fuel produces essentially no CO, and gasoline produces some, alleging that the Germans used gasoline or diesel to kill masses of people is more absurd than claiming they made solid gold bullets to do their executions.

    Lack of oil was perhaps the biggest factor driving Germany to war with the USSR. The final straw that broke their pact was Stalin encroaching on Romania, Germany’s one remaining source of oil in Europe. The battle of Stalingrad was the Wehrmacht attempting to drive to the Caucuses to take the extensive Soviet oil fields, which proved too far for them. Indeed, in 1941 at Moscow they ran out of gas, not metaphorically but literally. Their panzers were fueled by gasoline, but their supply lines were run by 750,000 draft horses. Infantry walked not because there weren’t enough trucks, but because there was no fuel, and later in the war they de-motorized many of their infantry battalions. By the end of the war the Luftwaffe was grounded due to lack of fuel.

    Back at the home front, nearly all formerly gas-powered vehicles were converted to run on wood. 500,000 wood gas (or “producer gas”) generators were made in Germany alone, and thousands more were made in France, Sweden, UK, etc. This is where we get back to the Holohoax: wood gas is primarily Carbon Monoxide. A line failure in a wood gas vehicle can be fatal because of how high the CO content is. And yet we’re supposed to believe that the inventive Germans, surrounded by Polish forests, decided to take their most precious commodity and burn vast quantities of it to accomplish what a few logs can do?

    Absolute madness.

  123. In the past 80 years there have been 3 events, and 3 official lies, that have had a devastating impact on the world, and our freedoms. In order of occurance they are: 1. The holocaust. 2. The JFK assassination. 3. The events of 911.
    Fortunately the official story of 911 is getting renewed attention spearheaded by NY area first responders.
    From rense.com: Commissioners Says Explosives Were Used On 9/11
    ‘It Was Mass Murder’3,000 Murdered In Cold Blood’
    Commissioners from the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, located near Queens, New York, unanimously passed a historic resolution on July 24 that calls for a new investigation into all aspects of 9/11 and which cites “overwhelming evidence” that explosives were planted in all three towers prior to 9/11. The resolution states that the district’s Board of Fire Commissioners “fully supports a comprehensive federal grand jury investigation and prosecution of every crime related to the attacks of September 11…”
    “It was a mass murder,” Commissioner Christopher Gioia said in an interview. “Three thousand people were murdered in cold blood.” Gioia, who wrote and introduced the resolution, says the toll on his department from the events of that day has been devastating. Members Thomas J. Hetzel and Robert Evans died at Ground Zero on 9/11. Others, including commissioners Philip Malloy and Joseph Torregrossa, have become ill from exposure to the toxic air during rescue and recovery operations. renewed attention from NYC firefighters.

    Explosives used on 9/11 say commissioners
    05/09/2019

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  124. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Otherwise-unproven “eyewitness” testimony is automatically refuted on its face. Anyone can say anything.
    Personally, I SAW that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz (I combed every square inch of it), and I wasn’t even BORN until 1944.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  125. Wally says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Oh yawn. More of your same discredited crap, examples in comments here: American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    – The Industry claims that the human remains of an alleged 6 millions Jews & 5 million ‘others’ exist in mass graves and that they are in known locations.
    Except they are not there.

    – There are countless “eyewitnesses” to witchcraft and sorcery.
    There are countless “eyewitnesses” who saw the image Virgin Mary at holy sites around the world. etc, etc. Are they factual?

    I challenge you to tell UR about so called “eyewitnesses” that you find convincing.
    – Give us their names.
    – Tell us what they claim in their own words.
    – Tell us where they were when they supposedly ‘witnessed’ events which allegedly support the “holocaust” narrative.
    – Tell us when they supposedly did this alleged witnessing.
    – Tell us what trials they testified in.

    See what happens when this guy tried:
    Challenge to Believer ‘Pon’ on so called “Eyewitnesses”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12767

    – Eyewitnesses which contradict laws of science, each other, and the very narrative they trying to support are simply laughable.

    “Where are the others?”. Simple, Jews went where Jews are. Just ask arch Zionist Steven Spielberg:

    “After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video”
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/03/alleged-holocaust-of-jews-is-proving.html

    recommended:
    What Really Happened To The Inmates Of The Aktion Reinhardt Transit Camps in Poland?, by John Wear: https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/

    – See here, some links about massive numbers of Jews being moved around, & much more.:
    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’:
    recommended:
    Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized, by Jürgen Graf:
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=36

  126. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Colin Wright @106

    Bit of arm-chair psychologizing —

    imo Colin Wright was not responding to your arguments about SS so much as dealing w/ the charge that s/he is “projecting” animus toward Jews.

    This rocked Colin.
    @ 102:

    “Okay, I’m projecting. Actually, the Nazis bore Jews no particular ill-will at all.
    Fuck…how could anyone discuss this from any angle at all without incurring your suspicions?”

    Uptight buttoned-down Colin Wright cussed, and agreed, “Yaa, I’m projecting.”
    Something sharp got too close to his pain-center and he reacted.

    Great minds run in the same channels (!)
    If someone had said to me what was said to an uptight dude like Colin, I would have thought, “Hmm, is that true? ‘Is it I, Lord?’ ”
    I think that’s just what Colin did.

    Colin had to come up with a way to differentiate his Self — that of an ordinary human being –from what Colin believes to be true about Germans; namely, that they killed X million Jews out of sheer hate.
    Colin can’t make that square with his own self-image.
    Enter the Nazi ideology.:
    @ 106: “It’s pretty hard to picture a non-Nazi Germany carrying out the Holocaust. . . .
    [because I could never do anything like that; it’s unnatural, it’s evil, and I am fundamentally a good person — so are ordinary Germans —]
    . . .
    “so Nazism defined Jews as a ‘racial enemy’ and made it possible to persecute them on that basis. Absent Nazism, the Holocaust becomes literally inconceivable.” [ahh. an escape hatch, or a scape goat; it wuz Nazism. That’s it. I’m certainly not a Nazi, so I’m off the hook. I can meld the cognitive dissonance.]

    Not so fast, Colin.
    We don’t want you running around with a half-way healed psyche; you’re going to have to set these two conditions on a solid foundation:
    ✓ Nazis had a perception of Jews as a deadly racial enemy
    ✓ the means (a willingness to employ violence to obtain desired ends)

    Where did you get the information that “Nazis perceived Jews as a deadly racial enemy”?
    Who caused you to believe that?
    WHEN did that information enter the mainstream?

    Unz Forum has discussed some of these issues, and has provided plenty of evidence — or at least sources to find evidence — that that perception of Nazis was the result of relentless propaganda campaigns.
    Among the more ham-handed qualities of that propaganda campaign that demonized Germans was that it failed to explain several solid reasons why “Germans hated Jews,” and instead, projected (that word again) Jewish hatred of Germans onto Germans-hatred-of-Jews.

    This gets a little into-the-weeds, but check this out: Chaim Weizmann’s autobiography, Trial and Error: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.75059/page/n29
    Weizmann was Russian, lived in the Pale of Settlement, one of 15 children. He reflects that his life in Motol was pretty dreary; Jews sorta kinda got along with Gentiles there:

    “Except during the Christmas and Easter festivals, when they were roused to a high pitch of religious excitement by their priests, they were quite friendly toward us. At worst they never got wholly out of hand, and there were never any pogroms in Motol or the neighboring villages. It is a melancholy reflection on human relationships when the absence of murder must be noted as a special circumstance which calls for gratitude.”

    Such a shame those Christians could not have performed closer to script and killed them a couple Jews from time to time; would have relieved Weizmann’s projections.

    Around age 17-18, and with very little education — neither religious nor secular — under his belt, Weizmann found his way to Germany to get that education. If there was anything that Weizmann and his Russian Jewish peers hated more than life in the Pale, it was Germans and also German Jews — “assimilationists.”
    These guys had nowhere to go, nowhere that they felt like they were in charge; Weizmann and his Russian Jewish confreres self-ghettoized, keeping their distance most especially from German Jews.
    Fast-forward to the most critical point in Weizmann’s life — indeed, a turning-point in modern history: the Balfour Declaration was just about to be signed (ch. 17 tells the story; I’ll attempt a precis):
    It’s June, 1917; the Balfour document is this close; then Louis Brandeis sends CW a cable: there’s a delegation heading to the East; get yourself there. The delegation is headed by former ambassador to Turkey Henry Morgenthau, Sr. and Felix Frankfurter, among others, who, with Wilson’s blessing, plan to meet with French- & English-men to attempt to detach Turkey from the Central powers.
    This is a crisis:

    “There was, I thought, the possibility that the negotiations might be conducted on the basis of an integral Turkey, leaving the Jews . . . in the lurch.”

    In other words, if Morgenthau succeeded, the plan for Jewish possession of Ottoman territory that Weizmann had been working out with Balfour (and with Mark Sykes) might come to nought.

    Weizmann felt fortunate that he was “easily able to persuade Morgenthau to drop the project.” Morgenthau went on to Biarritz to meet with Gen. Pershing, and Weizmann eventually returned to London to oversee continuance of the war against Germany.

    That’s not the end of the story (or the chapter).
    After a lengthy discussion of his bitter resentment of the assimilationist British Jews who vigorously opposed the zionist project and the Balfour proposal, Weizmann gives an overview of the process of gaining the approval of the American administration and Congress. He concludes the chapter with the observation that somehow the story of the failed Morgenthau mission got out.

    “When the Lodge Commission brought its resolution before the American Congress, in support of the Jewish Homeland in Palestine, in 1922, someone–I think it was Senator Reed–objected strongly to its passage. He said that the leaders of the zionist movement were unworthy men, and that I in particular had prolonged the war for two years by scuttling the Morgenthau Mission!”

    Now, Colin Wright, with that (perhaps prolix) information at hand, if you were Germany, and you knew that a few malcontent Russian Jews with a zionist bug up their butts had made a power-play that prolonged the war, killed more of your countrymen and resulted in the starvation-deaths of even more of your womenfolk and children, do you think you would need a cockamamie ideology like “deadly racial enmity” to be royally pissed with zionist Jews?

    On to your second necessary condition: “a willingness to employ violence to obtain desired ends”.
    First, history demands that the list of events/grievances be expanded. We’ve already seen that zionist Russian Jews did, indeed, “extend the war by two years.”

    We also know that zionist Jews from Britain and from U.S.A. dominated Versailles treaty negotiations, not only to the disadvantage of Germans but at the cost of even more German citizens starved to death as the blockade continued in order to force Germany to sign the treaties.

    Then, Jews were involved in a revolution of Germans.
    Then, Jews dominated the governance and cultural affairs (or degradation of same) of Weimar Germany.
    Then, Jews were prominent among those who profited from the financial distress during Weimar hyperinflation.
    Then, Russian and Polish Jews flooded into down-and-out Germany, seeking security against the turmoil in their homelands.
    Then, Communists (led by large numbers of Jews) foment riots and seek to turn Germany into a showplace for the Communist International.

    Still keeping your cool, Colin Wright? No thoughts of violence roiling your thoughts?

    After all this turmoil, Hitler takes power. Jan. 30, 1933.
    What’s the first thing Ole 88 does?
    It ain’t violence!
    In fact, much to the chagrin of Jewish zionist propagandists, the NS quells violence against Jews; imposes order on the streets; implements plans to employ Germans, reform the economy, get prostitutes off the streets, veterans out of gutters and children out of soup lines.

    This wicked scheme of nonviolence continues for over five long years!
    Not even the Jewish boycott of Germany, intended to destroy Germany’s economy, can rock NS’s nonviolent boat.

    All this time, under Brandeis’s directive, zionist Jews are doing their best to make life for German Jews — those nasty assimilationists — so uncomfortable that they will pack up their wealth and schlep it to Palestine, where it is sorely needed.

    Has the necessary congruence for holocaust been established yet?
    (Can you pinpoint German expressions of “racial enmity”?)

    “Absent Nazism, those ingredients are both missing.”

    Nazism WAS present, but those ingredients were missing.
    Ergo, Holocaust must be the factor that must be eliminated.

  127. eah says:

    Just to note: the image at the top of this article conveys (what most would see as) a rather crass message, presumably related to the euthanasia program — it says it costs 60k RM to take care of someone for life (“auf Lebenszeit”) who’s an invalid due to a genetic defect (“Erbkrank”), and that this is the community’s money (implying/saying it could be better spent) — it reminds people to read “Neues Volk” (literal translation: New People, although it really seems something like Neue Volksgemeinschaft would have better, signifying a new sense/kind of community under National Socialism) — apparently “Neues Volk” was a monthly publication (“Monatsheft”) of the Racial/Political bureau (Rassenpolitischen Amtes) of the NSDAP.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  128. John Wear is not my choice of the better revisionist writers, but Ron Unz seems to like him and I can understand why. Almost every sentence is backed up by a book footnote that is respectable, at the very least. What can go wrong?

    Wear is well-intentioned, well-read and careful. I’m glad and grateful he doing the work he is. In this article, I don’t like that he uses the term “killing” in ways that he shouldn’t, imo. To call euthanasia “killing people” is to take the virtue of ‘plain speaking’ and turn it into a fault. An example:

    Brandt readily admitted his involvement in the euthanasia program, since too many records and affidavits directly linked him to the killing operation.

    It was not a killing operation at all. It was a gentle, painless avenue of release provided for those who were in great pain (not only the severely uncurables were in physical, mental or emotional pain, but also their family members and those who had to care for them). The purpose was not simply to kill people! And it should be emphasized much more than it is that simply being very low IQ or blind, deaf etc did not make you a candidate for euthanasia. The sterilization program existed for those persons. Using the term “handicapped” is very, very misleading. Also important to remember that back then so many of the advances we enjoy today in medicine and science did not exist. Another quote:

    The use of carbon monoxide gas therefore became the standard technique to kill people in the adult euthanasia program, with the first killings probably beginning in January 1940.

    One of Wear’s headings is “Feasibility of Killing Methods.” Writing that Bishop von Galen (what did he ever do for these families but tell them it was God’s will for them to suffer?) “openly attacked the hypocrisy and economic rationale for killing handicapped people,” Wear admitted that Hitler didn’t fight the public outrage but stopped the program. Did this actually help anyone or just allow society’s hypocrisy to remain in place?

    I do like that John Wear points out the extensive written approvals for the program (the doctors and other officials would never undertake such activities without Hitler’s written orders and Hitler would not/did not expect them to) … and that is the truth! The fact that there was nothing similar ordered for the Big Lie of the Jewish extermination program is a hugely important point to make.

    By using the term “killing,” Wear may be following an example set by Carlo Mattogno and Germar Rudolf, which is to allow some lesser charges against the “Nazis” to stand in order to destroy the more damning charges. As you can see from what I’ve written above, I don’t agree with that position. The truth is the “Nazis” were the most innocent and virtuous people of the time considering what they were up against. That is the truth as I see it and what I stand on, and nothing less.

    I’ve looked at all the comments here and not one of them has changed my mind about that.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Skeptikal
    , @John Wear
  129. eah says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    But- where are others? There is a big demographic hole, too big.

    Honestly, this is childish nonsense (which unfortunately is very common) — because some unnamed Jews are allegedly unaccounted for, this means they must have been murdered by the Nazis as part of the ‘Holocaust’ — no convincing proof of this is ever presented: you’re just supposed to believe that’s what happened (to them).

    Nochmal: as alleged, the ‘Holocaust’ is a crime — it is 1) a conspiracy to commit mass murder, and 2) the act of mass murder — it is not up to “deniers” to explain what happened to unnamed, allegedly missing Jews — it is up to “exterminationists” to produce convincing proof of these crimes.

    Try getting a murder conviction in an adversarial court proceeding without the corpse of the alleged victim — this is so rare/unusual that there is a Wikipedia page devoted to instances where this has happened.

    • Replies: @Wally
  130. @idealogus

    Actually, Holodomor casualties were quite bad in ethnically Russian lands such as Krasnodar, Kharkov, and Lukhansk.

    The Ukrainian view of the Holodomor as being targeted against Ukrainians alone is mostly bunk.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  131. Wally says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Well said, Carolyn.

    There is this unnecessary tendency from time to time for some Revisionists to throw Zionist liars a bone by conceding a few peripheral claims.

    The problem is that there is no more proof for those then there is for the major claims within The Big Lie. One must abide by the same standards when appraising all aspects of the “holocaust” narrative.

    The whole truth is not served by allowing small lies.

    Leaders of “The Allies” were the villains, not Germany and there is simply nothing of substance to refute that.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  132. As easy as a woman’s understanding of a man’s loathing of women who, for example, reminded him of his stepmother. Do youever read novels by men, women, hetero and homosexual?

  133. Ron Unz says:
    @Pegasus

    Dear Mr Unz, I have found a bug in your website.

    When going through a particular commenter’s history, after clicking on a response to any of his posts to follow the thread, the server rightly redirects to the beginning of the article in which the thread is, but because all comments are hidden by default, the response in question does not pop up

    Thanks, I think I’ve fixed the bug. However, for performance reasons all the commenter archive pages are cached, and regenerating the tens of thousands of them would take quite a while, so it may take a couple of days until most of them are normally regenerated as people leave new comments.

  134. Wally says:
    @eah

    Good points, eah.
    They illogically demand that Revisionists tell them where every Jew went to while it is they (Zionists and their bought and paid for “holocaust historians”) that make the claim that the alleged millions of murdered Jews went to enormous mass graves for which the locations are said to precisely known. Yet those mass graves simply do not exist.

    It’s all a big bluff. Hence the need to silence free speech and inquiry into the impossible narrative.
    I challenge anyone to show us the enormous human remains that are alleged.

    classic examples:
    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
    Alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.
    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.
    photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel WillenbergIt is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?

  135. Skeptikal says:
    @Blankaerd

    “Holocaustians like to use the Aktion T4 program as proof that the Nazi’s planned and executed a ‘proto-holocaust’ and pretend that it was the blueprint or at least a smaller scale experiment for the actual holocaust. ”

    It was.
    T4 was the testing arena for the actual individuals who later set up the first extermination camps in Poland:
    “Gleichwohl war der Mord an Behinderten bzw. an Menschen mit Eigenschaften, die im nationalsozialistischen Staat als deviant stigmatisiert waren, der Auftakt für ein staatliches Massenverbrechen, aus dem heraus sich sehr schnell und in engem Zusammenhang mit der Diskriminierung während der Jahre nach 1933 auch der Mord an den Juden entwickelte: Der Übergang, der »Zivilisationsbruch«, von Repression und Gewalt zum systematisch organisierten Massenmord begann bei Menschen mit Behinderungen, nicht bei Juden. ”

    As for the numbers of those murdered under T4:
    Over 400,000 forced sterilizations, of which many died from the operation itself:
    ” 400 000 Menschen zwangssterilisiert wurden (und mehrere Tausend Menschen an den Folgen des operativen Eingriffes starben).”

    Before the official beginning of the T4 program 5,000 children were murdered in various hospitals, orphanages, etc.:
    “Insgesamt wurden im Rahmen der »Kinder-Euthanasie« in beinahe 40 Kinderfachabteilungen von Krankenhäusern und Anstalten im gesamten Reichsgebiet schätzungsweise mindestens 5000 Kinder und Jugendliche durch die Verabreichung von Medikamenten wie Luminal, Morphin u. a. sowie systematische Unterernährung ermordet.”

    Here you can read a detailed account of the whole thing.
    https://www.gedenkort-t4.eu/de/wissen/aktion-t4

    “Aktion T4 Die »Euthanasie«-Verbrechen im Nationalsozialismus 1933 bis 1945
    Von Dr. Ingo Loose”
    Action T4: Criminal Euthanasia in National Socialism 1933 to 1945

    Here are the titles of the subsections:
    1. Der Auftakt zum Massenmord
    Zwangssterilisierungen und »Kinder-Euthanasie«
    Prelude to Mass Murder: Forced STerilizations and Child Euthanasia

    2. Hitlers »Ermächtigungsschreiben«
    Der Beginn der »Aktion T4«
    Hitler’s Authorization Document: The Start of Action T4

    3. “Erste Vergasungen und die Entwicklung der Tötungstechnik”
    First Gasings and the Development of the Killing Technology

    4. Der Mordbetrieb in den sechs Tötungsanstalten des Reiches
    The Murder Operation in the Six Killing Facilities of the Reich
    Purpose-Built Gas Chambers (carbon monoxide) were built in Brandenburg an der Havel, Hadamar bei Limburg, Grafeneck, Sonnenstein/Pirna, Hartheim bei Linz und Bernburg an der Saale.

    5. Die Krankenmorde in den esetzten oder annektierten Gebieten Polens und der Sowjetunion
    Murder of the Ill in the Occupied or Annexed Territories of Poland the the Soviet Union

    6. Krankenmorde in den Konzentrationslagern: Die »Sonderbehandlung 14f13«
    Murder of the Sick in the Concentration Camps: The “Special Treatment 14f13”

    “Vor dem Hintergrund steigender Häftlingszahlen in den Konzentrationslagern wandte sich Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler Anfang 1941 an Philipp Bouhler, um die Tötungsexpertise der »Euthanasie« Zentrale in der Berliner Tiergartenstraße 4 für die Ermordung von »Ballastexistenzen« in den Konzentrationslagern zu nutzen. Im Frühjahr 1941 begannen »Euthanasie« Ärzte die Konzentrationslager zu besuchen und dort kranke, »arbeitsunfähige« oder rassisch unerwünschte Häftlinge zu selektieren. Dabei wurde das zuvor im Rahmen der »Euthanasie« Morde entwickelte Prozedere mit Meldebögen auch in den Konzentrationslagern minutiös eingehalten. Das Projekt wurde unter seinem Aktenzeichen als »Sonderbehandlung 14f13« bekannt; bis zu seiner Einstellung im Laufe des Jahres 1942 wurden im Rahmen von »14f13« auf Empfehlung der beteiligten Ärzte schätzungsweise 20 000 KZ-Häftlinge in den drei Tötungsanstalten der »Aktion T4« Bernburg, Sonnenstein und Hartheim ermordet, davon allein etwa 5000 in Bernburg und über 12 000 in Hartheim.” Später wurden kranke oder arbeitsunfähige KZ-Häftlinge nicht mehr in die Tötungsanstalten der »Aktion T4« gebracht, sondern in Lager mit eigenen Gaskammern (Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Mauthausen), wenn sie nicht im jeweiligen »Lagerrevier« durch Giftinjektion direkt getötet wurden.

    Trans: In light of increasing numbers of detainees in the concentration camps, Reichfuhrer SS Heinrich Himmler in early 1941 turned to Philpp Bouhler to use the killing expertise of the “Euthanasia Central’ in Berlin’s Tiergartener Strasse 4 for the murder on “ballast existences” in the concentrations camps. In spring 1941 “euthanasia” doctors started to visit the camps and to select sick, those unable to work, and racially undesirable detainees. The administrative practices already developed in the framework of “euthanasia” murders were minutely followed [[use of questionnaires etc. I believe IBM has been implicated in this data processing action]] The project was known under its file name “Special Treatment 14f13”. By the time it was terminated in 1942, it is estimated that 20,000 KZ prisoners were murdered on the advice of the participating doctors. This was in three killing facilities: Bernburg, Sonnenstein, and Hartheim—5,000 alone in Bernburg and 12,000 in Hartheim. Later the sick and unable to work prisoners were no longer brought to the T4 facilities but instead were taken to camps that had their own gas chambers (Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Mauthausen) in operation—that is, if they weren’t killed immediately in the respective “warehousing areas” with an injection of poison.

    7. Wissen und Proteste in der Bevoelkerung
    Knowledge and Protests in the Population

    8. Die »zweite Phase« der Krankenmorde seit Sommer 1941
    The “Second Phase” of Murdering the Sick after the the Summer of 1941

    9. Der Umgang mit dem nationalsozialistischen Krankenmord nach 1945
    The Response to the National Socialist Murder of the Sick after 1945

    The owners of this blog/site state that they regret that their volunteers have not yet been able to translate the page into English. I have translated the bit that recounts the “technology transfer” from the “euthanasia” killing facilities to larger camps as a basis for it further “scaling up” in those camps. The site contains a number of photos, including photos of the six facilities where the first gas chambers were built. It also has a section with biographies of some of the victims. This section starts with the statement
    “Von 1940 bis 1945 wurden in Deutschland und Teilen des besetzten Europas an die 300.000 als behindert und psychisch krank eingestufte Menschen ermordet. Ziel der Politik des Dritten Reiches war es, seine Opfer zu vernichten und alle Spuren zu beseitigen.”

    From 1940 to 1945 in Germany and parts of occupied Europe about 300,000 people were murdered who had been classified as handicapped or mentally ill. The aim of the policy of the Third Reich was to destroy these victims and get rid of any trace of the action.”

    For those who read German and/or Polish there is a link to a ten-page bibliography of sources detailing the euthanasia programs and their relationship to the Final Solution that combined ideas and practices of eugenics, euthanasia, and “racial hygiene.”
    https://www.gedenkort-t4.eu/en/commemoration/literature

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  136. @anonymous

    As I attempted to make a reply to you, at present #115
    As easy as a woman’s understanding of a man’s loathing of women who, for example, reminded him of his stepmother. Do youever read novels by men, women, hetero and homosexual?

  137. @Vinnie O

    You are confusing typhoid fever with TYPHUS, and your misinformation spirals downward from there(quite a feat). Typhus is spread by Body Lice, they do not live ON the human body but IN the seams of clothing, emerge to bite the person wearing the clothing, then return to the clothing seams to hide. Infestations of Body Lice only occur under specific, easily avoided conditions: large numbers of humans living crowded together for long periods without the ability to change and wash their clothing. Prevention is simple: regular washing of clothing, which kills the very fragile Body Lice. New arrivals to crowded conditions like jails, or slave labor camps in this case, merely need to have all clothing washed as the Body Lice will not be on their bodies, but in their clothes, and the clothing should go straight to the washtub on removal. The notion that insecticide is neccesary to control Body Lice infestations is entirely erroneous, a simple laundry is cheaper and more effective. Insecticide is resorted to when soldiers serve long periods under field conditions where laundry service is not available. Your statement that the bodies of persons deceased from typhus are COVERED with lice is blatant misinformation. As the dead go below body temperature, the Body Lice begin to flee the dead persons clothing, seeking a new host, and even a living victim will not be “COVERED with lice”. That there was ANY typhus problem at the odious slave labor camps operated by Germany is a glaring indictment of the stupidity and cruelty of the mealy mouthed Kraut. Typhus could ONLY have appeared if the slaves were crowded together in large numbers and forced to wear one set of clothes for months at a time.

    • Replies: @turtle
  138. The Dark Night [AKA "Sagi Harari"] says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    The issue is that when a boy cries grown folks understand that he is a child, and he speaks like a child, but that doesn’t mean that he is a liar. You people seem unable to understand this. Perhaps because you’re not grown folks.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  139. @freedom-cat

    the ovens were used to cremate the bodies of those who died as a result of internment from natural causes like typhoid, typhus, dysentery, cholera, etc.

    the germans are quite acclaimed engineers. all of the buildings, and especially the crematoria, are ill-suited towards mass extermination efforts. if one’s design is to eliminate 3.27 persons per minute for 3 1/2 years, non-stop, one builds a better mousetrap than those evidenced by auschwitz, sobibor and the like.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  140. Skeptikal says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “I’ve looked at all the comments here and not one of them has changed my mind about that.”

    Ha ha ha. That is funny.
    No evidence will change your mind!

    “It was a gentle, painless avenue of release provided for those who were in great pain (not only the severely uncurables were in physical, mental or emotional pain, but also their family members and those who had to care for them). ”
    What rot.
    It is disgusting that you trivialize and romanticize what the Germans call Krankenmord.
    “Severely uncurables”? Let’s hear where you got that from.
    Come on, out with it!
    Next stop, assisted suicide after withholding of pain meds.
    FYI
    https://www.gedenkort-t4.eu/de/wissen/aktion-t4

    • Replies: @Wally
  141. John Wear says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Carolyn Yeager,

    I do not regard myself as one of the better revisionist writers either. In the area of Holocaust Revisionism, I think that Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, Dr. Arthur Robert Butz and the late Dr. Robert Faurisson are the four best writers and researchers. There are numerous other writers such as Jürgen Graf who have also made far more important contributions than me.

    My problem with the German euthanasia program is that, generally speaking, the consent of the person being euthanized was not obtained. If the person was told upfront that they were to be euthanized and consented to it, then I would agree with you that killing is a totally inappropriate word to use. However, since the people being euthanized were typically not told what was to happen to them, I think that killing is an appropriate word to use.

    I am against any government euthanizing people without their informed consent. I consider this to be wrong whether it is in National Socialist Germany or any other country.

  142. @Iron Lion Zion

    A myriad of documents confirm the Holocaust.

    Of course this is meant to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to Hollywood screenplays.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  143. @Colin Wright

    “Why wouldn’t the Nazis have exterminated the Jews?”

    On the contrary, the question to ask, given the Jews’ record of the torture and slaughter of millions in Russia/Ukraine and the Jewish World Council announcement in 1933 that Jews would do the same to Germany, is

    Why shouldn’t the Nazis have exterminated the Jews?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  144. @anonymous

    I really enjoyed that.
    Thanks

    • Replies: @anonymous
  145. @John Regan

    ‘… There is, however, some truth behind the story, as with all good propaganda, though a rather less demonic one. Namely, German logistics in the winter of 1941 were (due in part to Stalin’s “scorched earth” policy which wrecked the Soviet railways) an utter nightmare: still somewhat famously today, the Wehrmacht couldn’t even supply their own troops with adequate winter gear…’

    Well, as so often, I’d say the truth lies somewhere between your version and the ‘official story.’

    To begin with, it needs to be noted that the Soviet POW’s began starving in the summer. It wasn’t like they were being fed, then the winter crisis came on, and the Germans just didn’t have any spare rail capacity for whatever Purina makes for POW’s.

    I don’t think starving the Russian POW’s to death was a deliberate choice. Had the Germans captured only a hundred thousand, or had there been ample food available locally, it probably wouldn’t have occurred to them to starve their prisoners.

    On the other hand, when the situation arose, and the Germans had four million prisoners or whatever, they proved singularly indifferent to their fate. These were disproportionately young, fit males — they should have been rather hard to kill. To compare, under the Japanese — who were infamously inhumane with their prisoners — if memory serves, only thirty percent of the Americans and British taken captive over the course of nearly four years of brutal mistreatment and starvation. On the other hand, after only six months of captivity, something like eighty percent of all the Soviets taken prisoner were dead. To me, that suggests no effort was made to feed them at all.

    Even given their unreadiness for such a deluge of captives, and even given the difficulties involved in either bringing food to the captives or bringing the captives to the food, the Germans could have done a lot better — if they hadn’t been perfectly content to see the Russians die of starvation.

    In point of fact, isolated camps did do a lot better; apparently, if the commandant actually saw it as his duty to try to keep the Russians alive, that alone made a marked difference. No one could work miracles — but that eighty percent death rate was the product of not just the circumstances, but indifference.

    The Russians starved to death because the Germans didn’t mind seeing them starve to death. I think that’s fair to say. No doubt many would have died regardless of what attitude the Germans adopted, but perhaps three hundred thousand, not three million.

  146. @GiveMeABreak

    ‘Why shouldn’t the Nazis have exterminated the Jews?’

    Ah — but that would be an entirely different question. At the moment, we’re still stuck with people insisting the Nazis didn’t exterminate the Jews — and abusing anyone who dares to differ.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  147. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    ! Assuming that map’s accurate, that’s a spectacular death toll.

    The only equivalent that comes to mind would be some of the ravages of the Mongols. They managed to produce similarly sharp declines.

    …only this wasn’t the result of murderous hordes of alien horsemen. It was the result of a deliberate policy of the victims’ own government.

  148. @John Wear

    The issue is one of consent.
    The state can make something ‘legal’ but it doesn’t make it ethical. Without the consent of a human being it is a killing imo.
    If we look at the behavior of governments with respect to killing many governments have a very dismal record. I can prove that the Government of Canada has a track record of killing off Aboriginal peoples. It is a known genocide. Documents exist that prove that the United Church and the Govt of Canada allowed influenza to wipe them out in the residential school system which ran for decades.
    It is also possible that the number may be 100,000. It could be higher. This history is very shameful and it has not been properly investigated by historians. There are gravesites in Canada (Brantford, ON and in British Columbia) that have been identified and have yet to be forensically analyzed. Some of these sites show recent activity.
    There have been informal death squads, within the RCMP, operating for decades.
    I would argue that if one were to objectively compare Nazi Germany and Canada, the Germans would come out on top.
    No society is perfect, however, I don’t believe it serves any purpose, other than propaganda and manipulation, to exaggerate or minimize these types of crimes against humanity.

  149. Wally says:
    @John Wear

    said:
    “My problem with the German euthanasia program is that, generally speaking, the consent of the person being euthanized was not obtained. If the person was told upfront that they were to be euthanized and consented to it, then I would agree with you that killing is a totally inappropriate word to use. However, since the people being euthanized were typically not told what was to happen to them, I think that killing is an appropriate word to use.
    I am against any government euthanizing people without their informed consent. I consider this to be wrong whether it is in National Socialist Germany or any other country.”

    – I find your answers here inadequate.

    – Good luck trying to get a horribly suffering, mentally deficient person to understand when being asked for ‘permission’. You have missed the point that such pitiful individuals were horribly compromised.

    – Families were consulted, you left that out, John.

    – Euthanasia serves the functions relieving incurable suffering while preventing defective DNA from possibly moving forward in any offspring that such an individual may create.

    – No doubt you also oppose the death penalty for heinous murderers.

    That aside, many thanks for your important work in exposing the many lies told about Germans and WWII.

    Regards.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Skeptikal
  150. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    thnx

    spread it around — Unz owns the rights, don’t think he’ll mind.

  151. @renfro

    ‘…Because the Germans weren’t stupid .
    Why waste bullets or time or manpower killing Jews when you could put them to work in camps and factories.
    Every able bodied man in Germany was called into service….someone had to replace those former civilian workers…’

    You ignore a critical distinction.

    What you describe is the attitude the Germans took towards the various gentile populations under their rule; ‘we need you to come work in Germany, so that’s what you’re going to do.’

    Obviously, their rights took second place to Germany’s needs, but no one said Frenchmen or Czechs or Ukrainians were actually bad.

    Jews, in Nazi theory, were a different matter. Bacilli, that had to be eradicated.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @renfro
    , @Anonymous
  152. The Dark Night [AKA "Sagi Harari"] says:
    @Colin Wright

    Excellent comment. You said what I wanted to but could’t.

    Regardless of the gas chambers or no gas chambers polemic, conditions in these camps were such that most people would get sick and die, or die from the natural causes soon enough.

    I spoke once with an old Jewish woman who had been sent to one of those camps in Poland and she told me about a guard who took a girl from her mother and smashed her head against a wall. Just looking at her face I knew she had to see that indeed because she had that stare. You can’t fake it.

    She’d have to be a good actress to fake it, but still what would be the point – to impress me?

  153. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Well I guess they just decided to do away with them rather than allow the Jewish Insurance companies to exploit their life expectancy in the free market.
    Besides when it comes to euthanasia we all got them beat…
    “In 2015, 638,169 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2015 was 11.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 188 abortions per 1,000 live births.

    Compared with 2014, the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions for 2015 decreased 2%. Additionally, from 2006 to 2015, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 24%, 26%, and 19%, respectively. In 2015, all three measures reached their lowest level for the entire period of analysis (2006—2015).”https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm
    Lets not forget designer babies and what if your baby is ill in the womb? Just get rid of it.

  154. @Ilya G Poimandres

    is ancient history as fake as modern history

    Absolutely without a shadow of a doubt. Almost every first source is partisan, and every specialist scholar in the field likewise. That’s bad enough for periods for which there is competing documentary evidence: for periods where it boils down to ‘We have this oral tradition’, it’s much much worse.

    History will (eventually) adopt machine learning: that will enable (eventual) cross-referencing of all historical documents in all languages from all time periods with strong tagging, and will use fewer embedded biases to determine the probability that a thing happened.

    So, y’know, if there is a claim that some guy lived some place at some time, and that he was like super-famous and shit and everyone totally dug his vibe … but there’s not a shred of contemporaneous evidence in the abundant archives from the time (and the first clear written evidence dates to at least two generations later and was written by partisans)… Survey says: Pr(didn’t happen) > Pr(happened). Bye bye, Jesus Myth.

    Likewise, if the accounts of a systematic policy of industrial-scale genocide all derive from one group (who let’s face it, are renowned for embellishment), and many of accounts are proved to be fabrications, and there is literally zero contemporaneous official documentation for the policy, and the major leaders of the other side write comprehensive memoirs and don’t mention it once… well, the posterior probability that events unfolded as claimed, plummets.

    You know, like when Anglicans claimed that Lichtenstein had a policy of industrial-scale slaughter of Anglicans during the Thirty Years War – the vast bulk of them being mercilessly tickled to death.

    (I might have mis-remembered the country, religion, war and method – I’m getting old. Key point is that some religiotards claim that a bunch of them were systematically slaughtered by some government during some war… using methods that are preposterous)

    Point is: this is going to happen. History is going to be revised; instead of representing the view of the most powerful clique at the time, it will eventually adopt a more scientific basis – and will more towards what is most likely to have happened, based on the documentary evidence, with spatio-temporal proximity to the events carrying more weight.

    Churchill’s “History will be kind to me for I intend to write it” showed what a short-sighted fuckwit that bloke was: he might contribute to the total amount of text, but it is a drop in the ocean compared to the total volume of data produced for any 10-year span of post-Enlightenment history.

    Let’s be clear though: imprisoning an entire sub-population because some of their leaders hated the government, is a morally reprehensible policy. ANY death that eventuates from such a policy ought to see the entire government leadership executed – whether it’s a person being gassed, or a person contracting typhus (or a person being beaten to death by another inmate).

    There is no doubt that in the chaos at the end of the war, a great many ‘internees’ died of a variety of causes – in camps run by both sides.

    There is a genuine question (for non-partisans) as to whether the German camps or the Allied camps had the greater death toll. A hint as to the most-likely right answer: you’re not allowed to ask that question in modern Germany.

  155. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    – Oh please, you keep bumbling through this, chasing your tail by making statements that you cannot prove. You come off as a religious True Believer, i.e.: ‘I believe & that’s all that matters’.
    Give us some bloody proof.

    you said:
    “I’d say the truth lies somewhere between your version and the ‘official story.’”

    – OK then, tell us what proof you have for this “between version”.

    – So if ‘6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 ‘others is too high for you, then tell us how many YOU think were murdered.

    – Tell us how they were supposedly murdered. Yeah, go ahead and try the ridiculous Einsatzgruppen nonsense which has been shredded at this very sight.

    – Tell is where they were supposedly murdered.

    – And show us the massive human remains of millions that necessarily would exist if the ‘official’ version or your “between” version were facts. Come on, cut the BS, such remains are claimed to exist in known locations.

    Get to work

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  156. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    These were disproportionately young, fit males — they should have been rather hard to kill.

    There’s an argument that many of the Soviet pows who had been taken prisoner in the huge encirclement battles of late summer/autumn of 1941 were already in a fairly weakened state before their capitivity, similarly to the already semi-starved Germans who were captured at Stalingrad in 1943 (the majority of whom also died soon after, probably without any deliberate intention of Soviet authorities).
    Your general interpretation seems to be mostly correct though, there can be little doubt that a callous and indifferent attitude of Wehrmacht authorities was a very significant factor in the mass death of Soviet, especially Russian pows whose lives weren’t seen as being of much value. German treatment of Soviet pows was also not just in violation of moral norms, but also of German treaty obligations (as a signatory of the 1929 Geneva convention about pows Germany was obliged to adhere to that convention even against powers who hadn’t signed it).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  157. Tusk says:

    I quote here from Joel Hayward’s ‘The Fate of Jews in German Hands’, from Chapter 3, which is conviniently available here on Unz (https://www.unz.com/book/joel_s_a_hayward__the-fate-of-jews-in-german-hands/) which is an amazing analysis into the lies about the Holocaust.

    [Below is Hayward]

    The second article by Weber to be analysed here is “Jewish Soap”, which appeared in the Summer 1991 JHR.[460]

    In this short but detailed study Weber scrutinized the widely repeated allegation that the Nazis manufactured soap from the cadavers of murdered Jews. Based on a careful evaluation of all the available evidence, he argued that this lurid but remarkably durable charge was in fact nothing more than groundless wartime atrocity propaganda.

    He began by pointing out that the human soap story did not even originate during the Second World War, despite the fact that it is now commonly associated with it. An almost identical allegation had been made about the Germans by the British and American press during the second half of the First World War, but was exposed as spurious almost immediately afterwards.[461]

    Surprisingly, continued Weber, considering that it had been universally recognized after that world conflict as being fallacious anti-German propaganda, the human soap story was revived and widely believed during the second such conflict twenty years later. Even more incredibly, he insisted, the human soap story has been very widely believed to the present day.

    Even though the macabre human soap story was circulating as a rumor in occupied eastern Europe as early as 1941, Weber was able to show that it was principally propagated by Allied – and in particular, Jewish – propagandists. Because Weber’s case is so strong a section of his article (along with some of the relevant sources) will be quoted at length:

    Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, wartime head of both the World Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Congress, publicly charged in November 1942 [without evidence] that Jewish corpses were being “processed into such war-vital commodities as soap, fats and fertilizer” by the Germans. He further announced that the Germans were “even exhuming the dead for the value of the corpses” and were paying fifty marks for each body.[462]

    In late 1942, the Congress Weekly, published by the American Jewish Congress, editorialized that the Germans were turning Jews “by scientific methods of dissolution into fertilizer, soap and glue.” An article in the same issue reported that Jewish deportees from France and Holland were being processed into “soap, glue and train oil in at least two special factories in Germany.[463]

    Typical of many other American periodicals, the influential New Republic reported in early 1943 that the Germans were “using the bodies of their Jewish victims to make soap and fertilizer in a factory at Siedice.”[464]

    During June and July 1943, two prominent representatives of the Moscow-based “Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee” toured the United States and raised more than two million dollars for the Soviet war effort at a series of mass meetings. At each of these rallies, Soviet Jewish leader Solomon Mikhoels showed the crowd a bar of soap that he said was made from Jewish corpses.[465]

    Weber noted the consequences of this propaganda:

    After the war the soap story was given important legitimacy at the main Nuremberg trial. L. N. Smirnov, Chief Councilor of Justice for the USSR, declared at the Tribunal:

    “…The same base, rationalized SS technical minds which created gas chamber and murder vans, began devising such methods of complete annihilation of human bodies, which would not only conceal the traces of their crimes, but also to serve in the manufacturing of certain products. In the Danzig Anatomical Institute, semi-industrial experiments in the production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human skin for industrial purposes were carried out.” Smirnov quoted at length from an affidavit by Sigmund Mazur, an Institute employee, which was accepted as Nuremberg exhibit USSR-197. It alleged that Dr. Rudolf Spanner, the head of the Danzig Institute, had ordered the production of soap from corpses in 1943 [Note; Rabbi Wise was proclaiming the human soap story in 1942]. According to Mazur’s affidavit, Dr. Spanner’s operation was of interest to high-ranking German officials. Education Minister Bernhard Rust and Health Leader Dr. Leonardo Conti, as well as professors from other medical institutes, came to witness Spanner’s efforts. Mazur also claimed to have used the “human soap” to wash himself and his laundry.[466]

    A human soap “recipe” allegedly prepared by Dr. Spanner (Nuremberg document USSR-196), was also presented. Finally, a sample of what was supposed to be a piece of “human soap” was submitted to the Nuremberg Tribunal as exhibit USSR-393. n his closing address to the Tribunal, chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross echoed his Soviet colleague: “On occasion, even the bodies of their [the Germans’] victims were used to make good the wartime shortage of soap.”[467]
    And in their final judgement, the Nuremberg Tribunal judges found that “attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the victims in the commercial manufacture of soap.”[468]

    It is worth emphasizing here that the “evidence” presented at the Nuremberg Tribunal for the bogus soap story was no less substantial than the “evidence” presented for the claims of mass extermination in “gas chambers”. At least in the former case, an actual sample of soap supposedly made from corpses was submitted in evidence.[469]

    After the war hundreds of cakes of “human soap” turned up around the world, continued Weber, and many museums and Holocaust memorials put cakes of this soap on public display.[470]

    On numerous occasions bars of soap were given Jewish funeral services and were buried in Israelite cemeteries with the required rituals. Additionally, far from diminishing in acceptance in the decades since the war, the allegation that the Nazis transformed the corpses of Jews into soap has increasingly become accepted. Scores of former concentration camp internees, as well as very many journalists and historians, have promoted the soap story.[471] mongst the numerous examples quoted by Weber were the following two, which illustrate the extent to which the story is believed.

    Canada: The Twentieth Century, a standard history studies textbook published in 1982 and used throughout Canada in secondary schools, declared that the Germans “boiled” the corpses of Jews “to make soap”.[472]

    Secondly, in The Anatomy of Nazism a widely circulated booklet published in 1979 by the Anti-Defamation League of the B’nai B’rith, it was stated that; “The process of brutalization did not end with the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were manufactured from the corpses of those murdered.”[473]

    The soap alleged to have been made from Jewish fat bore the initials RIF, which, according to the proponents of the human soap story, stood for Rein Jüdisches Fett (“Pure Jewish Fat”). However, as Weber correctly pointed out, the initials RIF actually stood for Reichstelle für Industrielle Fettversorgung (“Reich Centre for Industrial Fat Provisioning”), a German agency responsible during the war for the manufacture and distribution of soap and washing products. RIF soap actually contained no fat at all, human or otherwise.[474] Further, Weber sarcastically commented that “it did not seem to matter [to those who adhere to the human soap story] that the letters were “RIF’ and not “RJF” “[475], the initials necessary for Pure Jewish Fat.

    [End Hayward]

    So here we see that not only was ‘samples’ of Human Soap provided to the courts, and entered into evidence, but there was also testimony to the production, the recipe, and the manner to which the Nazis had turned Jews into soap. How can anyone in good conscious continue to believe all the other lies which were supported with equal evidence when the Soap Hoax has definitively been proven incorrect, as with all the other bizarre claims. Death showers and 100m tall stacks of bodies will not last much longer.

  158. Wally says:
    @Anonymouse

    You certainly are new to free speech.

    Absurd claims made about the Wannsee Conference demolished repeatedly at this site:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=wannsee&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally
    – Even your own guys have rejected that nonsense:

    “The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at. ”
    – Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli professor of “holocaust studies”

    – What census figures? Done when? Taken by who?
    recommended:
    Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis, W. Benz and W. N. Sanning – A Comparison, By Germar Rudolf : https://codoh.com/library/document/930/?lang=en

    Yad Vashem “database” has records of Jews sent to various labor sites, which they dishonestly claim is a list of murdered Jews, that’s it. It’s as fake as can be, and BTW, access to this “database” is given to ‘Approved Users Only”
    recommend info and that sham “database”:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=yad+vashem+database

    The Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) is biased & Zionist funded, staffed easily demolished fraud.
    see those shysters exposed here:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=Institute+of+National+Remembrance+&fid%5B0%5D=2

    – There is no proof that 3M non-Jew Poles were murdered. None, and you have none or you would have presented it.

    – Leave it to a Zionist to question those who demand truth and accuracy in history.
    You are simply in over your head here.

    No alleged human remains of millions upon millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

  159. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Rothschild was sponsoring the move of the jews from Vilna and other places to Palestine or what today is Israel. The Jews in Germany were egged on by the Jews in America to stay and not go. They could have left. They aren’t European and the Germans weren’t their people just as a white American I am not their people either. They want nothing to do with me what they want is what we owned but we no longer own now because we were dumb and sold it to them. Their economics, see if everything is privately owned everything will be fine, except us po folk don’t have any money to privately own anything, and they know it.

  160. Miro23 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    I really have to thank Ron Unz & Co. for opening my eyes to this massive fraud. The holohoax is, without doubt, the greatest scam of all time. I hope I live to see all these BS laws criminalizing free speech overturned. I hope …

    Fortunately, time is running out on the Holocaust fakery. It’s far harder to control the narrative in the digital world of 2019 than it was in the 1960’s – 70’s.

    They probably also used the success of the “Holocaust” script to give guarantees that the 9/11 drama could be marketed the same way – although that’s falling apart just as badly in a world of open information.

  161. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m married; if I’m conducting an illicit affair, it’d hardly be proof of my innocence that I hadn’t written down the dates and times of my assignations on the kitchen calendar.

    Strange analogy.
    Most illicit affairs involve 2, maybe 4 or 5 people, and even if just 2, it is inevitable that the affair can be tracked in one way or another.

    If an affair of two leaves evidence, how much more likely that an affair with a million moving parts, passing through obsessive bureaucracy would not leave some trace evidence, particularly when considering, i.e. Wm. Shirer’s statement that unlike any other event in history, more German records were retrieved by Allies.

  162. @vincenzo lapazzi

    Calling death by typhoid fever, typhus, dysentery, and cholera “natural causes” is stretching the meaning of the term beyond the breaking point. All four diseases are entirely preventable by the simplest of measures such as laundry service and water uncontaminated by sewage. Perhaps the Germans were “acclaimed engineers” unable to design and build a laundry, or perhaps German SLAVE LABOR CAMPS were operated with such incompetence it is indistinguishable from a theater of sadist abuse, most likely the German SLAVE LABOR CAMPS were both slave labor camps AND theaters of sadistic abuse.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  163. bjondo says:
    @padre

    Maybe work camps or holding camps better terms.

    “Concentration” too much of a propaganda word.

    “Concentration” use should be reserved for Gaza.

    Gaza: History’s largest, most violent

    Concentration-extermination-weapons testing prison.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  164. turtle says:
    @Bombercommand

    Typhus could ONLY have appeared if the slaves were crowded together in large numbers and forced to wear one set of clothes for months at a time.

    Which is why typhus appears in such 3rd world shitholes as San Marino, CA
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino,_California
    https://ktla.com/2018/10/18/81-year-old-san-marino-man-says-he-was-misdiagnosed-after-contracting-typhus/
    and Pasadena, CA
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasadena,_California
    https://patch.com/california/southpasadena/typhus-outbreak-spreads-sgv

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  165. bjondo says:
    @The Dark Night

    Why did NF’s mom ask,

    “If so many survived, who died?”

  166. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright

    Hitler, Germans basically decent.

    Note how they fought before Brits became animals.

    Allowed to escape at Dunkirk.

    Just one example.

    If H true, why post war so many lies
    laws, propaganda to buttress?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  167. @John Wear

    Hi John,
    My overall pick is Arthur Butz and he only wrote one book, but what a book it is/was! Had the guts to use the word Hoax! Maybe because he’s an American and doesn’t feel the need to apologize, plus is willing to take a chance or maybe go out on a limb a little bit. In any case, it paid off. If I could have only one revisionist book it would be his “Hoax of the Twentieth Century.”

    The authors you mention all did original research in archives. I don’t see you as doing that but as doing research in their books, which you are very thorough about, and it’s what needs to be done. So I’m not belittling it; I’m grateful.

    Giving consent to be euthanized … hmm … no doubt this was different than today’s programs in Sweden and Netherlands (?), other places where people have to apply for permission for state-assisted suicide. In those days, there was a dire need to free up staff, beds and probably meds for the basically healthy Germans who could recover and who had served their nation honorably. I do admit that and I feel no guilt in doing so. Most of the candidates for euthanasia were not in sound enough mind to be able to give or refuse permission that meant anything. Their relatives were more than likely to refuse it for them based on their own religious beliefs, but the problem with that is THEY weren’t taking care of their relative or paying for it, the State was! I firmly believe that families that object to their relative being euthanized should be required to care for their relative in their own home and pay the bills. That puts an end to it right there! They want the State to do it and will blame the State for not doing it, which is really only a way to take the moral responsibility off themselves, since they were/are believing Christians.

    The German state in those times (war time) was under dire pressures. All citizens had to do their part for the general welfare. Sorry if it affects your sensibilities that it was not 100% fair to all persons, but sometimes that is a luxury that cannot be provided. My beliefs do not see death of an individual as final, but as an ending of one chapter in preparation for beginning a new chapter, but the death of an entire nation is final. With that in mind, I agree with National Socialism that the individual can be sacrificed for the preservation of the whole. We all return again; no one is lost.

    Adolf Hitler is being judged on these threads by people (not you) who are unable or unwilling to see him for the great man that he was. Lots of reasons for this, and the euthanasia episode is exaggerated by those who want to make him look bad. In any case, if you took any other stance than you have, you’d jeopardize your standing as a writer. Wouldn’t want that. But I still don’t think the word “killing” is unnecessary, especially “killing operation.” You can disapprove of it without calling it that.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  168. @Carolyn Yeager

    CORRECTION – In comment 170, one line up from bottom, I should have typed “necessary”, not unnecessary.

    I don’t think the word ‘killing’ is necessary, especially “killing operation.”

  169. Tusk says:
    @Bombercommand

    Yes if only the Germans had implented two common techniques to stop the spread of sickness and death:

    1. Some sort of fumigation technique to destroy disease carrying lice that was present on clothing, also follow this up with some sort of cleaning (shower?) system to ensure physical health, and finally shave hair to ensure no lice are present there.
    2. This one is so simple I can’t believe they didn’t think of it. Build some sort of machine or object that would enable the removal of dead bodies to stop the spread of disease.

    If the German’s had managed to come up with ONE of these solutions millions could have been saved. Instead they wasted their energy apparently executing Jews and then burning the bodies 24/7 within retorts that (thanks to German Engineering) were able to withstand such constant and punishing use. Perhaps if they had used their brains in constructing positive solutions instead of the negative ones people may not have died of such ‘natural causes’.

  170. Thanks Mr. Wear. I always appreciate reading your work. Also, I’m doing my best to spread the word regarding the Holohoax.

  171. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    You ignore a critical distinction

    I don’t think so.
    For instance.
    Its an established fact that Jews in camps were admitted to the camp hospitals and received medical treatment for diseases and injuries .

    Under your theory Nazis would never have done that because extermination was their only goal.
    BUT…they did.

    So maybe you need to ask why they did…..there must have been a reason.

  172. @padre

    This.

    Dead is dead. Don’t blame the Allies for withholding supplies to the Germans. People were worked half to death, not allowed to reproduce, and had their natural lives shortened signifcantly. Is this not genocide?

    Even David Irving himself has stated that after years of research he has concluded that several million Jews died as a result of such internments and Einsatzgruppen.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  173. @eah

    Use of this image by Unz Review (or John Wear?) is one more example of the SIN of confusing the Eugenics program with the Euthanasia program. It is a eugenics poster, showing a man who was maybe classified as an “imbecile” and who would have been sterilized or otherwise prevented from impregnating any woman, NOT a man who would have been euthanized during the short period that program was in progress.

    It was exactly genetic defects in the German population that sterilization was meant to eradicate. But again and again, these posters are allowed to be used when writing about euthanasia. Or course, euthanasia was not publicized, but eugenics was! Duh.

    Please see here https://carolynyeager.net/fostering-heredity-racial-integrity. It was written about 1937 for the Handbook for Schooling the Hitler Youth or otherwise called The Hitler Youth Manual or The Nazi Primer (? unofficial).

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @eah
  174. tac says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    (((You))) certainly have an axe to grind against the German people. Instead of your vacuous assertions hear the people involved in their own words, the “Jewish Problem” is addressed first hand:




    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  175. Miro23 says:
    @Colin Wright

    But Wear doesn’t bring that up. Rather, he presents part of the evidence — and in such a way as to suggest nothing happened at all.

    …and people who wish to believe the Holocaust didn’t occur will willingly imbibe this, without thinking to read it critically.

    You can’t get anywhere that way. You have to accept that the way reality is and was is distinct from the way you wish it had been.

    Agreed, but that means equally accepting that the 6 million/ gas chambers story is a fake, and that it has been emotionally conflated into a religious style dogma – now required for social acceptability.

    Rejecting the 6 million/gas chambers story doesn’t imply that Jews weren’t targeted. Hundreds of thousands of them died in work camps especially towards the end of the war and were murdered in the East. But dying is dying. It’s estimated that the Soviet Union suffered more than 20 million combined military and civilian deaths in WW2 and the world as a whole 75 – 80 million.

  176. tac says:

    Wagner ~ Tannhäuser Overture




  177. @bjondo

    Mostly, the camps were SLAVE LABOR CAMPS, c’mon bjondo, you can say it, admiting the truth always makes a man feel better. The Nazis ran a gigantic slave labor system with hundreds of camps, housing(to abuse the word) a few score or few hundred slaves, located in every German city and town and in rural areas. Any businessidiot in The Reich could rent slaves from the SS for a few marks a day each slave. The slaves were fed(to abuse the word) by the SS, and force marched to your business each morning by SS guards. The “new look” in slave labor camps was Auschwitz, a gigantic camp of thousands of slaves with factory complexes encircling it, one factory operated by Krupp AG was named BerthaWerk, after Alfried Krupp’s dear mother, how charming. Mortality of these slaves was high. Supply was maintained by simply seizing them, Poland was a major source, and no non-joooish Polish exslave received a dime of compensation after the war. My dear departed girlfriend’s mother and grandparents were seized as slaves by the noble Kraut in Warsaw. Her mother recalls that one morning they were awakened at dawn with the entire block surrounded by German soldiers. They were rousted out of their apartments, immediately the men were separated from the women and small children, and put on separate transports. Dad was sent to Auschwitz, mother and daughter to some city in Germany. They were lucky, they all survived, but in really bad shape. My girlfriends mother who was but nine at the time of her enslavement, recalls that on returning home she had to have her hair cut off because her entire scalp was one giant scab.

    • Replies: @Wally
  178. @turtle

    What’s your fucking point, dumbass, or do you even know?????

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  179. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Crimson2

    Crimson, perhaps before we meet our that death, you and your Kosher Comrades would like to do to us what your ancestors did to those Nazis and Germans tried at Nuremberg; to smash, crush and kick our testicles, like they did to those defendants to get them to say what the Inquisitor wanted them to?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    , @Crimson2
  180. Tusk says:
    @SonOfFrankenstein

    They were not ‘allowed’ to reproduce you state, but yet the History Channel (far cry from revisionist) claims that one lady alone delivered 3000 children.
    https://www.history.com/news/auschwitz-midwife-stanislawa-leszczynska-saint

    Even at Dachau it appears that babies were plentiful:
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauBabies.html

    Just another lie in the Jewish cap.

  181. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Personally I think that number of Jews murdered in the shoah is somewhat lesser, perhaps 10-20% smaller figure.

    Sorry, but the 20% is too puny a number for this fraud.

    The alleged dead or gassed at Auschwitz alone dropped by 75%. Add in the huge drop at Madjanek and you’re talking a huge number of so-called victims that was inflated by the fiends behind this con job that they might of been able to hold part of the lie together if their beloved Soviet Union had not collapsed.

    Isn’t it odd that at first, people were told that there were death camps all over Germany, but that didn’t hold water, so they were moved behind the Iron Curtain, where any and all info was slammed into a locked room, away from us Gentiles.

  182. @Priss Factor

    Okinawans, en masse, threw themselves off cliffs into the sea to avoid being taken as captives by the Western gaijin. Still occupied by the US military in the 21st century, over seven decades since the cessation of hostilities.

    Hollywood created the Holocaust narrative. Eisen-hauer ordered a Hollywood producer to create film “evidence” to fit the narrative. Someone gave Ike that order. Probably the decision was made at Yalta, where three Jews discussed how they would divide the western world after the defeat of a fourth Jew.

    The Jewish colonization of Palestine had been under way well before 1939 and needed a giant PR boost for Khazarian converts to Judaism, claiming a birthright to ancient lands where their ancestors had never lived, to take over Palestine.

  183. @Greg Bacon

    Nuremberg was all show and no justice.

    A trial staged by the nation that rained firestorms upon Japanese cities for months, and ultimately used (supposed) nuclear weapons against civilian targets.

  184. Wally says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Ron deserves some credit to be sure, but no offense to Ron, he’s late to the party.
    There have been numerous men & women who put their asses on the line long before Ron, as no doubt he will acknowledge.
    It was they who have built the solid, rational, & scientific research foundation that other Revisionists can now stand upon and work from.
    Many, if not most, of these courageous men & women were imprisoned, viciously assaulted, homes were fire bombed, they lost their employment, were fined by corrupt Zionist dominated governments, their lives were threatened repeatedly, etc., etc. for their efforts to bring forth the truth.

    Remember that, honor them.
    see:
    Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the “Holocaust”:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12642

    Regards.

    I encourage Ron to post at UR some of the works of other Revisionists, such as the esteemed master chemist, Germar Rudolf.

    • Agree: tac
  185. @German_reader

    ‘… Your general interpretation seems to be mostly correct though, there can be little doubt that a callous and indifferent attitude of Wehrmacht authorities was a very significant factor in the mass death of Soviet, especially Russian pows whose lives weren’t seen as being of much value…’

    I think what we have here can be seen as a toxic congruence of multiple factors.

    There is, first off, the unbelievable callousness most people are capable of if they are encouraged to think this attitude is appropriate. Almost everyone displays this weakness; you just have to find the group they think it’s okay to hate.

    Second, it may be fair to say the Germans are more prone to accept legal formalisms than others; they can be given to a kind of fussy legal pedantry. Tell them they’re legally obliged to give Russian P.O.W.’s three square meals a day and a heated barracks, and they might well comply. On the other hand, if Russia’s not a signatory to the Geneva Convention…

    Third, legalisms aside, Hitler and the Nazi leadership were explicitly encouraging the Germans to ignore the laws of war in the Russian campaign.

    Fourth, the Russians had been committing unprecedented bestialities on German POW’s whenever the opportunity offered virtually from the opening day of the campaign — and knowledge of this was widespread. It would have been easy to hate the Russians.

    Fifth, the vast and also unprecedented numbers of prisoners, the straightened German logistical situation throughout the campaign, and the Soviet scorched earth campaign must have all combined to make food stocks difficult to bring up and local food stocks hard to come by. The Germans would have had to seriously exert themselves to come up with enough to feed all the Russians they found themselves saddled with.

    Sixth, as you say, Russian POW’s probably often were in poor condition to begin with when captured.

    Put all these factors together, and the Germans must have found it rather easy to just pen the Russian masses up in barbed wire enclosures and let them starve to death. Another way of putting it is that few individual Germans would have felt moved to say, ‘we have to address this.’ There were always more critical issues to address, and it would have really been bucking the tide to make a fuss about the state of the Russian POW’s. After all, it was supposed to be a merciless struggle.

    So I’d say it’s not as if the Germans made an explicit choice to starve the Russian POW’s to death — although perhaps someone can point me to the order.

    Rather, it was a situation that arose, and for the reasons I have mentioned and probably some others I haven’t thought of, the Germans weren’t moved to address it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Rogue
  186. Wally says:
    @Bombercommand

    Yawn, You’re just ranting with no proof whatsoever , in fact you don’t even attempt to show proof.

    Here’s some fact’s about the alleged “extermination camp” Auschwitz:

    – An “extermination camp” where thousands of Jews chose to stay behind when the Germans left.
    – An “extermination camp” where most of the inmates, more thousands, chose to leave WITH the Germans.
    – An “extermination camp” where 1,250,000 human remains are supposedly buried, but no one can show us these remains.
    – An “extermination camp” where many Jews gave birth.
    – An “extermination camp” where the absurdly alleged homicidal ‘gas chambers’ could not have worked as alleged, as proven repeatedly, scientifically impossible.
    – An “extermination camp” where fake ‘gas chambers’ were “reconstructed” AFTER THE WAR.
    – An “extermination camp” where detailed aerial photos of the period show nothing that is alleged to have been happening.
    – An “extermination camp” where there are even obvious, laughable attempts to tamper with aerial photos that make a mockery of the fake storyline.
    see:
    Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669
    – An “extermination camp” where there are countless Jew “survivors”, yet the fake narrative says ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on.’
    -An “extermination camp” where so called “survivors” say the most impossible and conflicting things that do not hold up to scrutiny, would be laughed out of a legit court of law.

    A revealing video about children in the Germans camps, who according to The Big Lie were murdered because they could not work.’
    See both Jew and Gentile children, see actual Hanukah ceremonies in the “death camps”.
    ‘What happened to children in the German concentration camps’:


    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  187. @bjondo

    ‘Hitler, Germans basically decent…’

    I actually agree with that. It doesn’t follow that therefore the Holocaust didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  188. This documents question is interesting. I recently witnessed a Holocaust lecturer refer to the minutes of the Wannsee conference as proof that there was an extermination plan. He then sited a post war German film about the conference as if it too was a document. But if you read the minutes of the Wannsee conference it is quite clear the the Germans were planning to move the Jews out of GErmany and into the East preparatory to moving them out of Europe after the war. The words “final solution” in the document clearly refer to this plan. That is how anyone except a rabid Rabbi concocting the Holocaust mythology would have read the document in 1942. But now this Holocaust lecturer reads “final solution” as we boomers and xers have been taught ad nauseum to read it – as the code for exterminating 6 million people. I know this guy and worked with him teaching a course on the Holocaust back when I believed in this mythology myself. He is a Jew and derives certain psychological benefits from the Final Solution hoax but he is not hasbarizing like some of the Jews . He really believes it. In a sense Jews may victims of their own cult. If the ADA and other Semitic thought police do not succeed in regaining the control over the Holocaust narrative that they had before the internet. one day Jews are going to be credited with one of the greatest hoaxes in history. No one will take them seriously any more except as People of the Lie

  189. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…Hitler, who had quite a feel for public opinion, would have encouraged the use of euphemism when it came to the extreme crime of genocide…’

    Oh, euphemisms are great. We don’t have the vet give ol’ Spot a lethal injection; we have him ‘put to sleep.’ Israel doesn’t expel Palestinians from their village; she ‘evacuates’ them (as if the impending bulldozers are some sort of unfortunate but unstoppable natural force). We don’t send terrorist suspects overseas to be tortured; it’s ‘rendition.’

    And, I suppose, the more awful the matter under consideration, the more attractive a nice euphemism.

    After all, just try making yourself say, ‘I’ve decided to have Spot killed.’

    So of course Hitler would have employed a euphemism; it would have been strange if he hadn’t.

  190. @Colin Wright

    This is a more detailed and nuanced presentation than your original summary, but I still feel that it falls well short of accurately describing the actualities. First, the figure of three million dead is greatly exaggerated, and most especially so if supposed to refer to deaths in the summer and fall of 1941 alone, as your original post implied. That is a much greater number of dead Soviet EPWs than the Germans suffered from all causes throughout the war, from 1941 to 1945.

    Going very deep into this, presenting and weighing the specific estimates of various investigations, will probably require more involved posting than most readers here are interested in. But as an indicator of the magnitude of the problem, I will refer to the figure for the total number of personnel reported as missing in action (i.e., uncertain fates or captured by the enemy) by the Soviet Red Army throughout all 1941. This figure was published in the 1990s by a Russian military historian, General G. F. Krivosheyev, based on research in the then open, post-Soviet Russian military archives. According to the Soviet general staff’s internal figures (which unlike the 3 million hoax were intended to be accurate, not atrocity propaganda), this total amounted to some 2,300,000 from June to December.

    There is some debate over exactly how accurate this precise number is, as with all such statistics, and I should say I personally don’t accept it as quite the last word. Even so, in this context it will be relevant as an illustration. Revenant propaganda in Richard Evans style pop history aside, and academic anti-Nazi biases notwithstanding, all serious historians agree it’s absurd to accuse the Germans of “murdering” nearly a million more EPWs than they had actually captured at the time.

    It remains true (and a tragedy) that many hundreds of thousands of Soviet EPWs in German custody did die throughout the war. Some already in the autumn in 1941, and some in later years. Given the primitive conditions on the Eastern Front generally, their mortality was always higher than comparable figures for “Western Allied” prisoners. The great majority of those who died, however, perished in the horrible conditions of the winter of 1941/42.

    For further discussion, I again recommend Hoffmann. If you read German, you can also follow his bibliography for additional reading, but his own book has been translated to English, and is accessible to any American reader who cares to study it.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Colin Wright
  191. @Wally

    Like the ones submitted by the Soviets at Nuremberg which ‘proved’ that Jews were steamed to death like lobsters at Treblinka?

    Strawman.

    real documents from the U.S. National Archives reveal that the U.S. government helped cover up the Soviet 1940 massacre on some 20,000 Poles at Katyn and other places — not just during the war, but even afterwards. The Katyn Massacre

    Strawman.

    What documents? For example :

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html

  192. @Jett Rucker

    Otherwise-unproven “eyewitness” testimony is automatically refuted on its face. Anyone can say anything.

    Strawman.

    Personally, I SAW that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz (I combed every square inch of it), and I wasn’t even BORN until 1944.

    Sure.

  193. @GiveMeABreak

    Of course this is meant to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to Hollywood screenplays.

    Strawman.

  194. @ViewFromOnHigh

    I posted the Franke-Gricksch Report above, we can start with that.

  195. @Wally

    There is this unnecessary tendency from time to time for some Revisionists to throw Zionist liars a bone by conceding a few peripheral claims.

    The problem with this, it will never be enough for the Jews.

    You cannot concede even one bit of their lies, it will never stop, ever new demands will come with a tiny bone. This is not only the case with historical research, but also in Politics and Science.

    If you offer the Jews the little finger to reach out to them, they gonna take your entire arm and will demand more body parts until there is nothing left of you.

    People like David Irving did this and recognized after their prostitution that it was for nothing. and that there is no turning back from it.

    True statement by Samuel in “You gentiles!”

  196. GeeBee says:
    @anonymous

    I see that Colin Wright’s dismally inadequate response to you logical tour de force is to flag your offering as ‘Troll’. If that’s not a white flag-a-fluttering them I don’t know what is!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  197. Blankaerd says:
    @Skeptikal

    I haven’t seen any proof for the sudden jump in the number of victims from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. Yes we have evidence for a couple of thousand here, 20.000 there, but nothing that can prove the killing of 300.000 through the euthanasia program.

  198. Blankaerd says:
    @Bombercommand

    Why do you think that inmates were given a different set of clothes and why their heads were shaven upon arrival in a concentration camp? The Germans tried their best to prevent an outbreak, but even the best preventative measures cannot always guarantee that no epidemic will occur.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  199. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jews were vilified in films, books, newspaper articles, posters, news agency photograph captions and even cartoons aimed at children. If murder is a product of hatred, and it often is, the hatred was certainly there.
    The response to a German diplomat in Paris being murdered by a Jew in 1938 was the mass destruction of Jewish synagogues and institutions – Jews were assaulted and killed although this was perhaps incidental to the destruction of their buildings. But it wouldn’t be much of a further step to go from destroying buildings to destroying the human beings who used them, now would it?

  200. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Indeed, ausrotten means what it means. It doesn’t mean send somewhere else, it doesn’t mean restricted university places or denial of certain civil rights.

  201. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Many, especially Poles or “Easterners”, were expected to wear discriminatory badges, and there was some official hostility to them. But nothing on the scale of their attitude to Jews.
    Foreign nationalities could go down in Nazi estimation and treatment, depending on circumstances. Prior to the overthrow of Mussolini, Italian workers in Germany were not discriminated against, but after the capitulation their treatment grew significantly worse.

  202. Crimson2 says:
    @Greg Bacon

    No one wants to touch your useless testicles, Greg.

  203. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeeBee

    it was awfully long, maybe Colin Wright had to take a nap.

    more people might be interested in the linked Autobiography of Chaim Weizmann.
    Trial and Error: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.75059/page/n29

    He chortled about being accused by a US Senator of “prolonging the war by 2 years.”
    which he did.

  204. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright

    OK.

    But,
    why so much higher academic control?
    Why enforcement in lower level school grades?
    Why so many laws controlling thinking?
    Why so many in prison for questioning?
    Why so many lies, propaganda needed for a “historical event”?

    No other truth needs such enforcement or violence.

    So,
    I do not believe the Jew enforced narrative.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  205. Blankaerd says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Russians starved to death because the Germans didn’t mind seeing them starve to death. I think that’s fair to say. No doubt many would have died regardless of what attitude the Germans adopted, but perhaps three hundred thousand, not three million.

    Definitely would have numbered in the millions, regardless of German attitude. Nazi-Germany was put on rations in 1936 by the same man who designed the so-called hunger plan. Come 1941 the country was struggling to feed even its own armies, hence the need for food-prioritization for the war effort. Were there ideological considerations? Absolutely, but nazi-Germany could not have prevented the deaths of millions of Russians even if it did everything in its power to feed them (without significantly affecting supplies needed for the war-effort, that is)

    There are tonnes of quotes from German officials / military commanders about the starvation of Russians. Their attitudes range from concern, to stoicism, to indifference, but their attitudes were rarely ideological in nature. Some Soviet prisoners of war were fed from army supplies initially, but that quickly changed after the German armies were forced to live off the land because of inadequate or infrequent supplies from the homeland.

    If Nazi-Germany could’ve fed the Russians without (hugely) negatively affecting the war-effort, I believe they would have done so. Heck, even the Germans soldiers received priority above German citizens, it was actually necessary to order that because even by 1941/42 nazi-Germany could not build up food reserves.

  206. @Achilles Wannabe

    Yeah, amen. Maybe you will appreciate knowing that “revisionist” was originally an insult to a group who wanted to change wording in the Bible? I can’t help but wonder if I will ever get to see which bible it is that preaches perpetual holoco$t.

  207. @Carolyn Yeager

    I just noticed that it says under the image: “NS Euthanasia Propaganda Poster, around 1938”. And it comes from – guess where – Wiki.

    This is absolutely false. I therefore challenge Ron Unz and or John Wear to remove the caption or write a disclaimer right underneath it. As I said, there was no such thing as a “NS Euthanasia Propaganda Poster” !!

    I note that Wear writes under Written Order:

    In August 1939, Hitler let it be known to his close associates that he approved any measure which could be seen as delivering handicapped patients from pain and suffering. Probably in the late autumn or winter of 1939, Hitler backdated a document to Sept. 1, 1939, that authorized the euthanasia program.

    Definite proof, as if any were needed, that posters in 1938 could not be publicizing what was not even a decision until late 1939.

    This simply contributes to the gigantic misunderstanding of terms and realities concerning the Third Reich which this article attempts to in some measure refute. This is very sloppy and I hold John Wear accountable since he could have objected to such artwork being used if he had not supplied it himself. Which seems most likely.

    • Replies: @John Wear
    , @Skeptikal
  208. @Wally

    …we await your link to the website that you will fill with all the information you find important and current… then you never have to mean no nuthin’ offensive by starting your sentence with a disclaimer to your offensiveness?

  209. @Wally

    The CBC in Canada just unwittingly published a “holocaust denial” article.

    They are pointing out that some students are using ground penetrating radar to find the bodies of 227 people who were buried in a mass grave in 1873.

    Those who have an ounce of common sense would wonder how it is possible to locate 227 bodies that were buried 146 years ago, while at the same time we are unable to locate even one of the 700,000 corpses buried at Treblinka 75 years ago??????

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ss-atlantic-mass-grave-smu-students-1.5316294

    • Replies: @Wally
  210. @Blankaerd

    You don’t even bother to read my comment before replying do you, and you’re still in Nazifanboi denial. They were forced to wear white and black striped prison garb to identify them, AS SLAVES. Shaving the head is not prophylaxis against Body Lice, Head Lice and Body Lice are two different species of louse whose habitats do not overlap, and Head Lice are not a vector for Typhus. “Germans tried their best to prevent an outbreak”???? Merely washing YOUR SLAVES clothing once a month would have accomplished that.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  211. @bjondo

    ‘…No other truth needs such enforcement or violence…’

    I was contemplating this. Certainly it’s true that — other than possibly the French — no one feels obliged to pass laws punishing denying the Rape of Nanking, or Soviet bestialities in East Prussia and Silesia, or the Turkish slaughter of the Armenians, or…

    You can pretty much say what you want to. You may infuriate a lot of people, but have at it. Win friends and influence people.

    On the other hand, the Holocaust…

    As you say, it almost suggests it didn’t actually happen; that it’s a matter of the emperor’s new clothes. Well, it all does give plausibility to such a suggestion; however, I really think the Holocaust occurred. It’s like Australia being there; people could deny it, and others could pass laws forbidding Australia denial — but underneath it all, I’d remain confident Australia was there — even though I’ve never been there, even though the kangaroo at the zoo really could come from someplace else, etc. There’s just too much evidence supporting Australia’s reality.

    I’d inclined to think the appropriate analog are laws against blasphemy. It used to be very important to keep people from blaspheming, to force obeisance to the One True Faith.

    So pursuing that, what is it about the Holocaust that gives it the quality of a religious dogma? Why is it that it’s unlike, say, the Ukrainian famine. If you must deny that Stalin starved millions to death, have at it; I’ll think you’re a fool, but I won’t attempt to make it illegal for you to speak. However, the Holocaust is different; people need to be forced to either parrot the received truth or remain silent.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  212. Mulegino1 says:
    @Bombercommand

    His point is that typhus can spring up anywhere where there are crowded conditions. When dealing with a population as averse to sanitation as the Eastern European shtetl Jews apparently were (read what General Patton has to say about them) then typhus is bound to be a problem which cannot be managed but by extraordinary sanitary means such as the fumigation of clothing, and Zyklon-B, a commercially available and commonly used pesticide, was ideal for this purpose.

    Even Jean Claude-Pressac, whose work on the technical aspects of the “gas chambers” at Auschwitz-Birkenau has acknowledged that 95% of the Zyklon-B was used for purposes of delousing and fumigation, which is tantamount to admitting that 100% was; no doubt Pressac conjured up the “95%” to leave the door open to the official and mendacious version of the Shoah business.

    There were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Zyklon-B was never used for anything other than fumigation or delousing. The end of the gas chamber legend is the end of the Holocaust lie.

    • Replies: @turtle
  213. Wally says:
    @Skeptikal

    said:
    “Ha ha ha. That is funny.
    No evidence will change your mind!”

    What”evidence” would that be?

    The link you provided presents nothing that has not already been refuted.
    Laughably you do not realize it, ignorant you remain.

    recommended:
    Comparing real German euthanasia program to impossible “holocaust” narrative:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11393

  214. PeterMX says:

    Anyone that is capable of thinking clearly and understandably asks how such a fraud can be pulled off with universal agreement of the world’s mainstream media should observe how the American media lies and deceives every day to destroy President Trump. Lying and propaganda are unfortunately a central feature of western media. Jewish control of most or much of it is also a factor when discussing the so called holocaust.

  215. Wally says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    There’s much more, such as:

    1000 year old Viking mass graves excavated, identified, etc., but no such ‘holocaust’ mass graves. Why? / +Treblinka: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137

    Regards.

  216. @Wally

    Block quote where I wrote that Auschwitz was an “extermination camp”. I wrote, entirely correctly, that Auschwitz was a SLAVE LABOR CAMP and but one of hundreds of SLAVE LABOR CAMPS operated by the SS to support their vile program of renting out SLAVES to German businesses. I did qualify my, entirely true, assertion they were SLAVE LABOR CAMPS, with the word “mostly” as a few camps, like Treblinka, appear to have other sinister and creepy, but unknown activities as their reason for being.

  217. John Wear says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Carolyn Yeager,

    I did not supply the artwork for this article, and to be honest had never noticed this issue. The artwork for this article was supplied by Germar Rudolf or someone else at Inconvenient History.

    At the present time I am having difficulty working with the people at Inconvenient History. It is at best a skeleton staff there. One of the main reasons they are publishing so many of my articles is that I don’t charge them anything to publish my articles.

    I will call Germar Rudolf directly and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @eah
    , @L.K
  218. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    On the other hand, if Russia’s not a signatory to the Geneva Convention…

    That shouldn’t have mattered though, states which had signed the Geneva convention about the treatment of pows like Germany had were bound to adhere to it in any case, even against enemies which hadn’t signed it. Early in the war the Soviets also offered to adhere to the Hague conventions in their conduct of the war, if Germany did the same. Hitler never replied to that offer, because he didn’t want to be bound by any rules in the war in the east.

    Hitler and the Nazi leadership were explicitly encouraging the Germans to ignore the laws of war in the Russian campaign.

    Yes, that’s definitely true, Hitler deliberately removed the legal framework which could have protected Soviet civilians and pows even before the start of the German-Soviet war (e.g. by the so-called Kriegsgerichtsbarkeitserlass, which removed judicial protections for Soviet civilians and basically allowed Wehrmacht soldiers to kill “suspicious” civilians on their own judgement). That was a reaction to the Polish campaign, where Wehrmacht units had also committed quite a few war crimes, but where the traditional protection of civilians had still worked to some extent and even led to some friction between the Wehrmacht and the SS.

    Rather, it was a situation that arose

    I agree with your points, nice to read something sensible here for a change.

  219. turtle says:
    @Mulegino1

    typhus can spring up anywhere where there are crowded conditions.

    Not even crowded conditions are required, only the presence of an insect which transmits the bacteria to humans. This is known as a disease vector, and is generally either lice or fleas.
    These insects, in turn, are carried by rats, mice, cats, squirrels, opossums, etc.
    I deliberately chose a recent case in San Marino,CA, one of the wealthiest communities in the U.S., to illustrate that typhus can occur anywhere these vectors are present.
    More information can be found here:
    https://www.medicinenet.com/typhus/article.htm#what_is_the_history_of_typhus
    From that article:

    over 3 million deaths were attributed to typhus during and after World War I. Delousing stations were frequently set up to try to reduce the rate of typhus infection and death among troops and civilians. Even though a typhus vaccine was developed before World War II, typhus epidemics continued, especially in German concentration camps during the Holocaust (Anne Frank died in a camp at age 15 from typhus). Eventually, DDT was used to kill lice at the end of World War II and only a few epidemics (Africa, Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Asia) have occurred since then. Because of toxicity, DDT has been banned in the U.S. since 1972.

    A somewhat similar situation obtains with respect to plague:
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/plague-fact-sheet

    Plague is an infectious disease caused by Yersinia pestis, a naturally occurring bacterium found primarily in wild rodents. Plague has been the cause of 3 of the great pandemics of the modern era-in the mid-6th century, the mid-14th century (known as the Black Death), and the early 20th century.

    Plague is not unknown in modern times, but it is treatable, unlike the 14th century.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  220. L.K says:
    @John Regan

    Colin Wright is a cheap WW2 and holocaust propagandist.

    He does NOT care about any facts that might disturb his long held views on the period.

    But good post about the reality of the situation re Soviet POWs.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @tac
  221. @John Regan

    ‘… But as an indicator of the magnitude of the problem, I will refer to the figure for the total number of personnel reported as missing in action (i.e., uncertain fates or captured by the enemy) by the Soviet Red Army throughout all 1941…’

    Yeah — but that’s the problem: Russian accounting and reporting. For at least most of the war it was, to say the least, incomplete. They had more important problems to worry about.

    To cite one example, no one really knows (or will ever know) just how many Russian soldiers were in fact killed. It is known that some large number of the draftees and replacements sent off to the front simply…vanished.

    Some would have deserted. But apparently some large number reached the front, were incorporated into a unit, and were killed — all without ever being officially recorded as having arrived, or at any rate, without the records having survived. Presumably, some large number also arrived — or were intercepted enroute — and taken prisoner, again all without their fate ever being recorded.

    If we consider one of those hundreds of Red Army divisions surrounded and destroyed in 1941, who knows how many personnel it had when it ceased to be connected to the larger accounting system? How many of its personnel were killed? How many became partisans — or just melted into the countryside? How many eventually crossed back into Russian-held territory? And finally, how many were actually taken prisoner?

    So using Russian records to record how many POW’s the Germans took is obviously perilous. I’d be more inclined to rely on German records. That sort of thing is one of their strong points. They probably kept scrupulous track of their score.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  222. @L.K

    ‘Colin Wright is a cheap WW2 and holocaust propagandist.’

    And Holocaust deniers are tedious.

    • Replies: @tac
  223. @Wally

    Showing meaningless pictures along with the propaganda interpretation is a standard propaganda ploy. The pretense is that the pictures actually mean something.

    Here is Colin Powell’s speech to the UN Feb 5, 2003 showing PROOF! that the Iraqi government has weapons of mass destruction. The people bought it. It works.

    In particular, minutes 13:15 – 20:30

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716794/colin-powells-speech

  224. @turtle

    Wrong again, Turtle. You are confusing, from stupidity or deliberately for obfuscation, Murine Typhus with Epidemic Typhus. Murine Typhus is caused by Rickettsia Typhi and has a flea vector. Epidemic Typhus is caused by Rickettsia Prowzekii and has a Body Lice vector. The links you cite refer to individual cases of Murine Typhus. Murine Typhus always occurs as individual cases, never mass outbreaks, as the vector is a flea from wild animals, so infection is the result of individual bad luck while outdoors. The 81 year old man in your first link had recently returned from a vacation in a forgein country so its unlikely he was infected in Marin County CA. The mass outbreaks in German Slave Labor Camps were Epidemic Typhus. Epidemic Typhus, known for centuries in Europe as the infamous Gaol Fever, is ALWAYS associated with severe overcrowding and the inability to wash clothing. Body Lice parasitize only humans, but do not infest the human body, their natural habitat is the seams of clothing from which they emerge to bite the human, and they are very fragile as a result. Prophylaxis is absurdly easy, wash the clothes regularly(plus a bath in case any lice were feeding when clothes were changed). Insecticide is only neccesary for troops in the field who will not have access to a laundry, likely less effective than a laundry as application must be very thorough whereas emersion in water gets em all. The German Slave Labor Camps were ideal environments for a mass outbreak of Epidemic Typhus. Slaves of the Germans were neglected and abused, they were given but one set of black and white slave garb that they wore for months, they were closely packed together in barracks. A mass outbreak of typhus is basically proof the slaves had no access to laundry and bathing facilities.

  225. @Colin Wright

    As noted, there will be various uncertainty factors, and all of these numbers are estimates rather than absolute facts, but generally speaking, the Soviet figures will be closer to an upper limit than a lower in this case, since the Germans could hardly take more prisoners than the number of men reported missing by the relevant Red Army commands. Of course, certain numbers of the Red Army soldiers reported as MIA will really have been killed in action, deserted or otherwise disappeared without ending up in German custody, but such considerations would tend to revise the number of prisoners downward rather than up.

    In any case, to use German figures, German High Command itself estimated that roughly 600,000 Soviet EPWs died between June 1941 and February 1942. As the reasons for this, they blamed the abysmal logistics situation, harsh winter conditions and the Soviet scorched earth campaign, which made it impossible to feed and house the prisoners adequately.

    Interestingly, the surviving documentation refers to an order from Hitler in September 1941 (which AFAIK has not itself been preserved) stressing that Soviet EPWs must be kept in good health, so that they could be marshaled for work in German industries and agriculture. So your earlier post about the Germans wanting to use them as workers to alleviate their wartime labor shortage was accurate in that respect, but most of the high prisoner mortality happened after this order from the Fuehrer was already issued. This further supports the interpretation that the high death rate was contrary to German intentions, and mainly a product of the difficult circumstances during the winter months.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  226. refl says:
    @Anonymous

    For comparison, if anyone talked about “Ausrottung des Christentums” – which you can translate as “to uproot christendom” and I am not sure, what this reads like for an English native speaker, this would mean to make christianity cease to exist by any appropriate means: shoot priests, burn churches, discourage people from attending religious services, educate them in a way that they give up on their belief. It might involve murder to some degree and it would involve huge nastiness. Murder of all people of christian belief would certainly not be ment, as it would be logistically impossible and there would be numerous other means to reach the goal.
    As far as I know, there are occasions, where Hitler spoke about “Ausrottung” of the jewish race, which is straightforward, but even in that case, I would rather say that he was an ever more frustrated leader rambling in front of a microphone – dangerous certainly, but not calling for general mass murder.

    I would see the one liner comments of the Crimson commenter set as an unwitting admission that they have understood that the revisionists are right. As a good Christian I would advise those commenters to take a day off for some mental housecleaning, in their own best interest.

  227. refl says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Just as I mentioned in my earlier comment, replace “Vernichtung des Judentums” with “Vernichtung des Christentums” for clarification. It would mean something nasty, obsessive, but not necessarily outright murder.
    In your own translation, you unwillingly blasted your argument, as you write “annihilation of the Jews”, where the correct translation would have to be “annihilation of Jewishness/ Jewdom (if that term exists).
    By the way, as I understand from reading Israel Shahak’s “Weight of 3000 Years”, for religious Jews a Jew who permanently leaves that community is a dead Jew. This is even understandable from their viewpoint.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  228. @John Wear

    Thanks John. I believe you never noticed it since I didn’t until I looked much more closely. I can also understand that whoever selected it did so because he/she thought it “looked good” without thinking it through. Things like this happen, but if this makes people more aware of the importance of such details, that is good.

    It does show that ‘euthanasia’ is confused with ‘eugenics’ in the public mind. We need to do more to make the difference clear. Thanks again.

  229. Blankaerd says:
    @Bombercommand

    What’s your point? The Germans did install facilities to fumigate clothes and stuff like that. Typhus is not the only disease that can rapidly spread in a concentration camp, yet you make it seem like it’s the only concern. Diseases were a threat not just to the prisoners but to the guards as well, so there was incentive to prevent epidemics.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  230. Skeptikal says:
    @Wally

    ” horribly suffering, mentally deficient person”

    You don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to the demographics and the many varieties of the “illnesses” of those who were euthanized.
    In secret, with no consent or knowledge on the part of parents, spouses, children, etc.
    The parents would get a notification that the child or adult child had died of some made-up disease or illness, such as pneumonia.
    In fact, the person had been murdered/killed/euthanized/choose your word but “killed” is precise.
    There were no autopsies. The corpses were incinerated. Yes, in crematoria.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @turtle
  231. refl says:
    @flashlight joe

    I first started questioning the holocaust story as an adult when I noticed how it was used in an emotional and political way: people boiled into soap, skin made into lampshades, etc. Stories like this which make you cringe are the hallmark of propaganda.

    Strangely, the only time ever that someone talked to me about the lampshades, it was an American. I knew about it and it is in the Nuremberg documents, but no German teacher in their right mind would use the story in a classroom (stress: in their right mind!).

    Incidentally, I have learned that the Kiew World War II museum in their recently remodelled Holocaust section expose jewish soap and jewish skin gloves. Maybe, someone knowledgable can fill us in on wether this is new to please some Israeli paymasters.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  232. Skeptikal says:
    @Wally

    “Families were consulted, you left that out, John.”

    No, wrong.
    Families were not “consulted.
    You are spouting hogwash.
    Outright lies.
    Disgusting lies that are an insult to the victims and their families.
    Many families were successful in hiding handicapped or otherwise “lebensunwertes Leben” (“life not worthy of life”)children and others from authorities, once people started to realize what was being done in medical facilities and hospitals.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  233. @refl

    It would mean something nasty, obsessive, but not necessarily outright murder.

    Yeah, as it has been happening since 1945, slowly, by multiculturalism, by destroxying the Christian morals, “reeducation”, materialism, prevention of reproduction by abortion business and children hostile environment, promotion of homosexuality and porn, communism in central Germany, and by strangely getting the host to drop any survival instincts via media and school/uni brainwashing. And then there are these despicable traitors who serve any master for the shekels, right Judas refl?.
    Now the genocide is all over EUSSR, which has it ideologically built in as well as the UN with the “migration replacement” as they call it. Read Kalegi’s “Praktischer Idealismus” written in 1925. The Jews take proudly claim on all these war strategies against Germans and Europeans, and Christians, who the Jews hate.

    Btw, can you please show me an original German document that proves and outlines a German extermination policy?

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Iron Lion Zion
  234. Skeptikal says:
    @anonymous

    “imo Colin Wright was not responding to your arguments about SS ”

    Quite right! That is exactly what I said!
    He was not responding to my argument.
    Wow. How perspicacious.
    So, what was the point of your post?

    As for the argument you say he was responding to: That was not my argument!!
    Jeez.

    Colin always goes off on a very general tangent in his responses.
    That is a well-known tactic, also in arguments with, say, one’s spouse.

  235. Skeptikal says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    There was no such thing as a propaganda poster?
    Oh, really?

    Pray tell what could be the intended purpose of this poster, with the image of a patient who is described as “genetically sick”—plus info on the cost to the German Volksgemeinschaft of maintaining this person? Plus: “Folk comrade—that is YOUR money!”

    You can understand the German, I take it.
    You tell us what the intended message here is—the purpose of the poster.
    I await your wisdom with bated breath!

  236. turtle says:
    @Skeptikal

    made-up disease or illness

    Including causes which were impossible, such as “appendicitis” for someone whose appendix had been removed in the distant past, that fact being known to their next of kin.

  237. @Blankaerd

    Blankeard, it was you, in your reply to freedom-cat, that brought up the typhus epidemic that killed hundreds a day. Typhus has been the subject of all my replies to you, so I have stayed on the subject you brought up. My point all along is that it is inexcusable any typhus outbreak occurred at the German Slave Labor Camps as it is easily prevented by washing THE SLAVES clothes, which kills the Body Lice. A laundry is cheaper, easier, and more effective than fumigation, and it also cleans the clothes.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Blankaerd
  238. @Skeptikal

    You tell us what the intended message here is—the purpose of the poster.

    Rationally, the message is what is reads, it is a statement, that a German with a genetic disease costs every German 60000 Marks. It reads further, to learn more on the headline, you should read the entire monthly magazine edition on the topic. This is what it reads in German.

    The rest is purely playing out in your mind, and how you interpret it without knowing more.

    So what’s worth, it is simply an advertising for the NSDAP’s monthly magazine.
    The Communists had and still have such magazines, and every freaking German corrupt modern political democratic circus party has these types of magazines, though filled with much more utter propaganda and lies.

    A well meant advise, drop the modern moral BS goggles when you try to make sense of history, eugenics is neither a German invention nor a German only hobby at that time.
    Horse breeders are in fact Eugenicists, and lot of other professions.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  239. Wally says:
    @Bombercommand

    said:
    ” My point all along is that it is inexcusable any typhus outbreak occurred at the German Slave Labor Camps as it is easily prevented by washing THE SLAVES clothes, which kills the Body Lice. A laundry is cheaper, easier, and more effective than fumigation, and it also cleans the clothes.”

    – Yawn. More uninformed ranting from the willfully ignorant.

    see:
    Typhus and the Jews, by Friedrich Paul Berg
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p433_Berg.html

    – Germany went to great lengths to fight typhus outbreaks, which BTW, killed Germans too.
    That’s what Zyklon-B was all about, that’s what specially made disinfection facilities were built, that’s why Himmler issued orders to make strong efforts in fighting typhus and other diseases.

    – No typhus epidemics cannot be controlled by simply washing clothes which of course the Germans did.
    What, you think the German wanted typhus outbreaks within their labor force, which of course would also kill Germans, and lessen their labor force? Wise up.

    The Allies were also victimized:
    https://microbiologysociety.org/publication/past-issues/world-war-i/article/typhus-in-world-war-i.html

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  240. Skeptikal says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Some of you guys are so naive.
    You actually think that because Hitler used the term “Gnadentod,” all the murders of handicapped, ill, unruly, or simply depressed individuals were “mercy killings” that they asked for.

    Wally dismisses with a textual hand wave the work of researchers in numerous academic fields—people who have combed through archives in Germany, Austria, Poland and other countries to grasp the scope of the Nazi’s “mercy killings” and the lies that were told to families about those deaths. Wally pronounces that all of this has been disproved and I am ignorant.

    I don’t think so.
    Once again, here is the link to one extensive documentary bibliography :
    https://www.gedenkort-t4.eu/de/gedenken/literatur?page=9

    Just reading through this bibliography conveys a sense of the scope of the program in facilities large and small. Im Tirol, in Bohemia, in Carinthia, in Bremen, etc. etc. etc. Even non-German speakers can surely recognize the names of hundreds of facilities and areas where the Nazis’ medical crimes were carried out and where archival research has formed the basis of attempts to quantify the total number of such killings from 1934 to 1945.

    Here for the edification of UR readers is one—just one—specific case highlighted in Spiegel. The author relates the story of her grandmother. Gnadentod had nothing to do with it:

    https://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/die-dokumente-ich-bin-doch-nicht-ihr-versuchskarnickel-fotostrecke-145320.html

    It is a Spiegel Fotostrecke—Mainly photos with captions, so, relatively easy also for non-German-speakers to follow if they are genuinely interested.

    The certitude of Wally & Co. that they know more than thousands of historians and others working in a language that Wally & Co do not speak, and researching their own nation’s history, is quite impressive. They must continually take refuge in their beloved codoh site. The arrogance coupled with ignorance and the “prove it to me with one document’ is breathtaking. Then they are so gullible as to assert that the use of the word “Gnadentod” in Hitler’s Sept. 1, 1939, authorization of the euthanasia program proves that the T4 program was benign in its intent (well, Hitler probably did think it was benign–yep, a great idea to improve the German Volk’s DNA! ). In fact. Wally & Co’s positions are so absurd that I can only imagine that they are being paid by someone to troll every—also valid—discussion of the actual causes of WW2 and what occurred during the Third Reich. With their pompous sense of superiority they totally derail any genuine discussion of serious revisionist themes and ideas. Which is a shame because UR is a locus where one can have such discussions, but it become a very hard slog with Wally & Co constantly screeching about the Holohoax and that anyone who challenges them with actual info is “ignorant” and the actual info has been “disproven.” Of course, they don’t say specifically where and how, they just site codoh. Very, very tedious.

  241. Skeptikal says:

    The funny thing about the Holohoaxers is that they kind of fall in the same rubric as the doctors who went along with the “Gnadentod” fiction. Even though the latter should have known that their victims did not desire to have their quality of life improved by being killed.

    But to move along to something else: a “true confession” by a Nazi doctor, holy ho ho ho:

    “Johann Kremer

    Johann Paul Kremer (26 December 1883 – 8 January 1965) was a professor of anatomy and human genetics at Münster University who joined the Wehrmacht on May 20, 1941. He served in the SS in the Auschwitz concentration camp as a physician during World War II, from 30 August 1942 to 18 November 1942.

    A member of the NSDAP, he was involved in Nazi human experimentation on the prisoners of Auschwitz-Birkenau. He was sentenced to death in the Auschwitz Trial, but this sentence was later commuted to one of life imprisonment. He was released in 1958.

    Kremer kept a diary of his time at Auschwitz. Interspersed with entries of mundane, day to day events are multiple accounts of murder, depravity, gassings and special actions.

    “September 5, 1942 : In the morning attended a special action from the women’s concentration camp; the most dreadful of horrors. Obersturmführer Heinz Thilo was right when he said to me that this is the anus mundi. In the evening towards 8:00 attended another special action from Holland [sic]. Because of the special rations they get a fifth of a liter of schnapps, 5 cigarettes, 100 g salami and bread, the men all clamor to take part in such actions. Today and tomorrow (Sunday) work.[1

    Life prior to Auschwitz

    Kremer was born in Stellberg. He was a doctor of medicine as well as philosophy he also studied natural science and mathematics. He studied in Heidelberg, Strassburg as well as Berlin; he received his medical degree in 1919 and his philosophy degree in 1914. He was the “assistant surgeon at the surgical clinic of the University, Charité, the ward of internal diseases of the Municipal Hospital Berlin-Neukölln, the surgical clinic of the University of Cologne and prosector in the Institutes of Anatomy in Bonn and Münster. He became Dozent of anatomy in 1929 and was promoted there in 1936 to be professor in commission. At the same time he was commissioned to lecture on the science of human hereditariness [now known as the field of human genetics].”[2] He also did some writing, he mentions two articles that he wrote in the diary he kept, the first being “Inherited or Acquired? A Noteworthy Contribution to the Problem of Hereditariness of Traumatic Deformations” and the second titled “New Elements of Cell and Tissues Investigations”.[2]
    Medical experiments

    The main priority of SS doctors at concentration camps throughout Nazi-occupied Europe was not to provide basic medical services to prisoners, but rather to give the appearance of competent medical care. Following the full-scale implementation of the Final Solution, much of their time was occupied with concentration camp exterminations, sorting/selection of the newly-arrived (primarily Jewish) prisoners (e.g. for work, experimentation, or immediate extermination), direct observation of executions and gasings, experimentation, and the fabrication of causes of deaths on prisoner death certificates.[3] The experiments conducted by SS doctors were done for three main reasons: 1) to research methods to improve the health and survivability of soldiers; 2) to lay the groundwork for post-war scientific research; and 3) to carry out the dictates of the racial policies of the Nazi Party. Some experiments were also done at the behest of pharmaceutical companies and medical institutes, for the doctors’ own research interests, and to benefit the doctors’ personal careers.[3]

    Kremer was particularly interested in the effects of starvation on the human body, especially on the liver, and because Kremer was responsible for examining the prisoners that sought admission to the camp infirmary, he was able to personally select the prisoners that he believed would make good test subjects for his experiments. He often performed autopsies in order to extract samples from the liver, spleen and pancreas. On several occasions in his diary, he mentions the extraction of organs and tissues (which he called “living-fresh material”) from living victims, such as on October 15, 1942, when he writes, “Living-fresh material of liver, spleen and pancreas taken from an abnormal individual.”[2] Kremer’s diary contains descriptions of at least five more similar instances. At his hearing on July 30, 1947, Kremer stated that “I observed the prisoners in this group [to be liquidated] carefully and whenever one of them particularly interested me because of his advanced stage of starvation, I ordered the medical orderly to reserve him and to inform me when this patient would be killed by injection.”[1

    Special actions

    All SS doctors were required to be present at what were called “special actions”, which was when the mass gassings took place. The most common victims were children, the elderly, mothers with young children and any others considered unfit to work. During his trial, Kremer described how a gassing was conducted and what his role as doctor was. The gasings were conducted in cabins located on the outskirts of the camp; the victims were transported by railway, and after they arrived, prisoners “were first driven to barracks where the victims undressed and then went naked to the gas chambers. Very often no incidents occurred, as the SS men kept people quiet, maintaining that they were to bathe and be deloused. After driving all of them into the gas chamber the door was closed and an SS man in a gas mask threw the contents of a Cyclon tin through an opening in the side wall.”[2] Kremer’s role was to sit in a van along with a medical orderly ready to treat any officers that might succumb to the gas.

    Executions and beatings

    Throughout Kremer’s diary there are multiple occasions where he mentions being in attendance at various executions and beatings. At least four instances can be found where he mentions executions either by gun, phenol injection, or an unspecified method.[2] He mentions briefly no fewer than three instances where he oversaw the punishment of prisoners. The physicians were required to examine the victim before the punishment and to remain during the administration of punishment; in practice however, physicians rarely, if ever, examined victims and did not openly object to the punishments.[2]
    Testimony and indictment

    Johann Kremer was tried in the Auschwitz trials at the sitting of the Supreme Court National Tribune in Kraków throughout November and December 1947. Based on the contents of his diary and his own confessions, Kremer participated in fourteen gasings as well as multiple public executions and special actions, also known as gasings.[2] During his testimony, he described the process by which he selected his victims, the process of gaining the necessary information for his research, and he states that “after I had been given this information a medical orderly would come and kill the patient with an injection in the heart area. To my knowledge all these patients were killed with phenol injections. The patient died immediately after being given such an injection. I myself never administered fatal injections.”[1]
    References

    Klee, Ernst, W. Dressen, V. Riess, eds. “The Good Old Days”: The Holocaust as Seen by its Perpetrators and Bystanders. New York: The Free Press, 1991.
    Bezwińska, Jadwiga and Czech, Danuta. KL Auschwitz seen by the SS. New York: Howard Fertig Inc., 1984.
    Strzelecka, Irena. “Medicine in Auschwitz: Selection, executions, and experiments” Państwowe Muzeum Auschwitz-Birkenau w Oświęcimiu. Accessed November 14, 2012. http://www.en.auschwitz.org

    ++++++++++++++
    Speaking of starvation, thousands of the euthanasia program victims, including of course children, were killed by just being starved to death. Hey, kill two birds with one stone! Save on food while getting the killing done.
    Language note: I just learned that Zyklon means Cyclone. So, it was actually Cyclone B. It is still made, but under a different brand name.

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    , @anonymous
  242. @Skeptikal

    Well, if you aren’t an ignorant sob.

    There was no such thing as a propaganda poster?
    Oh, really?

    Why not actually quote what I actually said? It was “As I said, there was no such thing as a ‘NS Euthanasia Propaganda Poster’ !!” I thought I better put the word Euthanasia in boldface so you could see it.

    I really don’t know what you are doing here except to be a lying Jew who is here to fight for the Yiddish Holocaust mythos in whatever way you can. Facts don’t matter. You don’t read what is written, you just write comments using your talking points.

    You are another one who can’t or won’t distinguish between a eugenic program and a euthanasia program. It’s obvious that revisionists need to do a better job of explaining it. Unfortunately, sometimes they don’t know the difference themselves.

    I am pretty fed up so don’t try my patience. It’s not unlimited.

  243. Skeptikal says:

    I am sure a lot of you have been wondering, who built the crematoria that didn’t exist.

    The main manufacturer was Topf and Soehne of Erfurt—ironically they also of course used slave labor in their factory to build the ovens. They started small but had already developed advance crematorium technology for burning naturally deceased corpses for cemeteries etc. Although they started out inventing burninin the beer industry. There is plenty of paperwork in their company archives regarding their business dealings with various KZs. Oh, yes, and they also acted as consultant engineers to the camp administrators.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

    “The muffles of the concentration camp ovens were smaller than those for civil crematoria, because no space for a coffin was needed, which saved both space and fuel. Prüfer later designed ovens with muffles large enough for multiple bodies to be burned simultaneously. Later, in Topf & Söhne’s instructions on using the ovens, they advised adding bodies to the muffles at 20-minute intervals as the previous body burned down. Bodies were often pushed in four, five or even six at once.[11]

    In addition to making ovens for Buchenwald, Auschwitz and Dachau, Topf & Söhne also supplied a transportable double-muffle oven and a stationary double-muffle oven for Mauthausen-Gusen, a triple-muffle oven at Groß-Rosen and a four-muffle oven at Mogilev ghetto. It is also thought that they supplied transportable ovens to at least one of the Nazi euthanasia institutions, in which a total of over 70,000 physically and mentally disabled people were murdered in 1940 and 1941.[4] ”

    It’s all made up, of course, and a fake archive was created just to fool historians and to feed the “Holocaustians” with Bloedsinn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

    Indeed this company is just the figment of someone’s imagination, just like Dr. Johann Stremer!
    Some people make up the darnedest things!

    PS. Three documentaries were produced to complement the earlier fabrications concerning this company’s activities. You can watch the films to get some ideas on how to make a fake documentary look genuine that has actually been tailored out of historical whole cloth!

    “The Big Denial documentary

    In 2007 the Dutch broadcaster VPRO made a television documentary about Topf & Söhne called The Big Denial as part of the In Europe series. It includes archival footage from the 1930s and 40s, and footage of the ruins of the Topf family villa in 2007 and the Erfurt factory site and administration building before it was restored as a memorial site. It is available on YouTube, non-professionally cut into three parts. It is in Dutch and German, with English subtitles.

    The Big Denial. Part 1 (11:03 min)
    The Big Denial. Part 2 (11:20 min)
    The Big Denial. Part 3 (11:45 min)

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  244. Rogue says:
    @Colin Wright

    Your comment sounds quite plausible.

    Too many here with an agenda of completely trying to whitewash every German crime of WW2.

    Not that I go along with the Hollywood version, but saying stuff like: “well, folks, we’ve been told that the Allies were the good guys – and the Nazis the bad guys. But, hey, the truth is the complete opposite of that!”

    Nah, things are never that black and white.

  245. Rogue says:
    @Colin Wright

    It is because of the criminalization of denial stuff to do with the Holocaust that started me on the skeptical path.

    Having said that, I think the jury’s still out on whether it happened or not.

    Overall, I lean more towards it probably did happen – though many parts of the narrative no doubt not being true or vastly exaggerated.

  246. bjondo says:

    For serious believers in the Holocaust

    a serious atlas to support your belief.

    THE HOLOCAUST:

    http://www.plands.org/en/maps-atlases/atlases/the-atlas-of-palestine

    This atlas is a superb mate for those whose
    answers are like tumbleweeds in the wind.

    5ds

  247. @Skeptikal

    What we have here at Unz Review is the invasion of the ‘Holocaust Controversies’ Jews seeking to dominate these threads and drive away thoughtful readers & commenters. “Skeptikal” merely copies long sections from the German language website https://www.gedenkort-t4.eu/de and now from http://www.en.auschwitz.org, both of which are highly biased. Here, he plasters a narrative supposedly by a “nazi” doctor “Johann Kremer”; pure fiction. Other than copying from these websites, he has no sources for his opinions.
    It is sad that “spoilers” are allowed to destroy the opportunity for enjoying a free speech discussion for the rest of us.

  248. @Wally

    Went to both the links you provided, and nothing in them contradicts anything in my comments, and nothing in the links supports any of your statements. Nice work, Walldope. As to my assertions, both links specifically mention overcrowding and being unable to change clothes for long periods as being associated with typhus outbreaks. The Microbiology Society link specifically mentions washing clothes as an important prophylactic measure. Neither mention Zyklon B as a vital weapon against preventing outbreaks. Nice work Walldope. One thing I do notice, you are at extreme pains to avoid acknowledging these were SLAVES we are talking about. Seized by force and held in SLAVE LABOR CAMPS, that supported a vast SLAVE LABOR PROGRAM renting SLAVES to thousands of German business people, that the SLAVES were not only SLAVES but subjected to sadistic abuse by oh so honorable German business people. Nice work Walldope. Read what I wrote about my dear departed Polish girlfriend’s mother and parents who were seized as SLAVES by the Kraut. Fifty years later she still speaks fondly of the American Army: “It was horrible. We were slaves until the Americans came and freed us”. She was about 10 years old at the time and remembers the hunger, she was caught TRYING to “steal”(sic) a cabbage from the guards garden. The guards were going to throw this 10 year old girl in “the hole” as they called it, for this “crime”(sic), and that would have resulted in this hungry child’s death. Her mother had to beg the guards for mercy, my girlfriend said she thinks her grandmother had to provide a sex service to the guards for this “mercy”(sic). This is the ugly face of the mealy mouthed Kraut. NICE WORK, WALLDOPE!!!!

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    , @turtle
    , @Wally
  249. turtle says:
    @Bombercommand

    SLAVE LABOR CAMPS, that supported a vast SLAVE LABOR PROGRAM renting SLAVES

    Yep. 3 marks per day for unskilled labor, 4 for skilled.
    With the perhaps unspoken understanding that the lives of the slaves were expendable, unlike the American South where planters had to buy their human “capital equipment,” and thus had an economic incentive for keeping them healthy.

    I suspect many people do not grasp the scale of the industrial enterprise which was one of, (if not the) primary reasons for the existence of the Auschwitz prison, i.e. slave labor, camps. You do, of course, as you assert you have close family members who were among its victims.

    I read this book:

    many years ago. I recommend it to anyone who wants an introduction to the subject.

    In today’s world, type:
    monowitz ig farben
    into Google, and see what turns up.
    Thus:
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y677redr

  250. turtle says:
    @Bombercommand

    This is the ugly face of the mealy mouthed Kraut.

    No, this is the ugly face of the Schutzstaffel.
    Not all Germans, or those of German heritage, are, or were, members of SS-Totenkopfverbände.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Totenkopfverbände
    Me. or any of my family, for example.
    You Jewish folks are all on about “blood libel” of condemning all Jews, as a group.
    I will ask that you to render the same courtesy to other groups as you expect for your own.
    Anything less than that is repulsive and odious bigotry, at least in my opinion.

    Based on your previous posts, I expect that my request for civilized behaviour on your part will be met with exactly that, but we shall see.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Bombercommand
  251. tac says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’ve just proved that you’re either a Jew lying controlled-opposition agent or an ignorant imbecile! There is no distinction between the two.

    For the astute observer you are done—an agent for the opposition forces; there is simply no hope to renounce your former ‘beliefs” while claiming ignorance of the facts! How many shekels are you being paid simply to gaslight the ‘vulnerable’ goyim?

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  252. tac says:
    @L.K

    L.K. (have not seen you here for the usual 9/11 conference as expected)

    Agree with this ‘agent provocateur’ who is ALWAYS coincides with many talking points–by way of deceptions with slight opposing talking points—excw=except the propaganda at the behest of this suspect agent. (((Colin Wright))) is ostensibly an agent is an imbecile–none of these are favorable. Why this persona is a protectorate of the ‘Clan’ is for anyone to decipher…nuggets and stones are simply not enough!

  253. Wally says:
    @turtle

    And guess what.

    The Schutzstaffel / SS did not do the fake & laughably impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ that it appears you believe in.

    And as proven, you nor anyone else has proof they did.

    Your hapless gullibility is proven by your use of Wikipedia for such matters.

    recommended:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

  254. @Carolyn Yeager

    “…Here, he plasters a narrative supposedly by a “nazi” doctor “Johann Kremer”; pure fiction…”

    How do you know that that story is “pure fiction”?

    At least it was a real person who was really convicted :

    “…Johann Kremer was tried in the Auschwitz trials at the sitting of the Supreme Court National Tribune in Kraków throughout November and December 1947…”

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Germanicus
  255. @Skeptikal

    Your agenda of telling any lie that suits you is showing. It becomes sickening to be confronted with such emotional hearsay/gossip again and again in reading this thread.
    The state was not hunting for “handicapped” children to kill, that is pure nonsense. Why would they? If families were actually taking care of their own incurably insane or terribly deformed members, why would the state object? But of course families were not doing that. These people were in state institutions, placed there by their families.
    Certain families were looking after their handicapped members, which was perfectly fine, except for the danger they would reproduce. There were certain disabilities that were inheritable and it was not desirable that they be passed on. Sterilization was the solution for this. Many German people volunteered to be sterilized. Once again see here: https://carolynyeager.net/fostering-heredity-racial-integrity

    Many methods for preventing pregnancy are sought out by people all over the world today! Tests can now show if the fetus a woman is carrying is defective in any way, and she can choose to abort it. All Western governments think nothing of it! And here you are trying to make it such a criminal offense by the “Nazis,” and only the “Nazis”. What bunk!

  256. @Skeptikal

    I am sure a lot of you have been wondering, who built the crematoria that didn’t exist.

    There you go, setting up strawmen so you can act like a big, tough guy knocking them down. NOBODY says the crematoria didn’t exist. It takes a very stupid person to say such things.

    It’s all made up, of course, and a fake archive was created just to fool historians and to feed the “Holocaustians” with Bloedsinn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

    Indeed this company is just the figment of someone’s imagination, just like Dr. Johann Stremer!

    Dr. Johann Stremer? Last time you mentioned him it was Johann Kremer. Make up your mind. If you can’t keep it straight, why should anyone else?

  257. Wally says:
    @Bombercommand

    You may well be the lowest IQ, but quite easily slapped down, liar at this site. But then Zionists seem to always have that problem.

    – I posted:
    Typhus and the Jews, by Friedrich Paul Berg: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p433_Berg.html
    and you either didn’t read it, or you;re simply too dimwitted to understand it.

    – I never said washing clothes as a “prophylactic” (a preventative) couldn’t be helpful.
    Of course washing clothes can be helpful in preventing an outbreak, BUT is ineffective after an epidemic is underway.
    – What I said was, and went over your head:
    “No typhus epidemics cannot be controlled by simply washing clothes which of course the Germans did.”
    But like I said, ‘over your head’.

    – Being incredibly slow you obviously fail to realize that Germans wantonly allowing workers at a work site in which they also work to catch deadly typhus would also mean that Germans themselves would be infected. But then you are thick as a brick.

    – I also notice that you are in denial of the fact that “The Allies” bombed and straffed medical & food supply transports going into the sites, in violation of Intl. Law. Thereby greatly exacerbating the health problem.

    – You curiously fantasize that your beloved ‘slaves’ were routinely sadistically abused. Which flies in the face of Himmler’s own orders whch very were strict about maintaining health of workers at the sites. Catch up please.

    – And of course there was Dr. Konrad Morgen, a legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, who prosecuted any and all those caught abusing anyone. His statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged. see:
    The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies, By Theodore J. O’Keefe : https://codoh.com/library/document/865/?lang=en

    – I notice that you are again in denial about the slave labor employed by “The Allies”.
    How about them gulags, eh?
    – And what about the Japanese-Americans, German-Americans, & Italian-Americans placed into US concentration camps, yes, forced to work.
    – In fact the US incarcerated a higher % of Japanese-Americans in North America than the Germans incarcerated Jews in Europe. Ah.

    – Your silly alleged letter, if it exists at all, is more than likely crudely manufactured Zionist propaganda which is the bread & butter of anti-German claims, and of course you cannot show us the letter. Oops!
    People today still claim they saw many things like ‘gas chambers’ that never existed, ‘geysers of blood belching from the ground’, and ‘steam chambers’ which steamed Jews to death like lobsters’. Were they real? LOL

    – Your laughable tales of fantasy say more but you than anything else.

    As they say, I then say to you: ‘When in a hole quit digging’.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  258. @Carolyn Yeager

    Yeah, I have been thinking the same thing lately. The domestic hasbara squad is coming in. The ADL can’t eliminate Unz like it can stuff on Utube so JEWISH INC sends in the Special Ops to confuse us.

    But they aren’t going to ruin our opportunity to enjoy free speech. Like you Carolyn, enough of us
    will spot them and argue/document them down. I mean that IS free speech. Even they should have it though they will not allow others to have it.

    We just have to learn to live with this I mean we live in a Jewish constructed intellectual world but enough of us have finally seen through it and we are growing. This is just one more obstacle which we will get over. Heads up.

  259. @John Regan

    ‘… since the Germans could hardly take more prisoners than the number of men reported missing by the relevant Red Army commands…’

    That’s just the point. The Germans could indeed have taken more prisoners than the Red Army commands reported missing. Read my post again.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  260. @tac

    ‘You’ve just proved that you’re either a Jew lying controlled-opposition agent or an ignorant imbecile! There is no distinction between the two.

    For the astute observer you are done—an agent for the opposition forces; there is simply no hope to renounce your former ‘beliefs” while claiming ignorance of the facts! How many shekels are you being paid simply to gaslight the ‘vulnerable’ goyim?’

    This is kind of a gem. I’m saving this one.

    Thanks.

  261. eah says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “…Johann Kremer was tried in the Auschwitz trials at the sitting of the Supreme Court National Tribune in Kraków throughout November and December 1947…”

    Right, by the Russians/Communists (“Poles” if you insist — “LOL”) — the same people who claimed the Germans murdered 1.5m at Majdanek, and, to the astonishment and profound embarrassment of the western allies, (still) insisted on including the Katyn murders in the charges against the Germans at the IMT.

    Watch CW Porter’s video ‘Made in Russia — The Holocaust’ for a catalogue of the absurd claims made by those liars the Russians about the Germans after the war.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  262. eah says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Thanks — I’d never seen this graphic/poster before, and I agree with your explanation that it was certainly related to eugenics and not to euthanasia — this also fits much better to the name of the German office and its monthly publication (and speaking of “crass”, I realize now the Germans would never have created and used such a graphic/poster in relation to the euthanasia program) — maybe Unz or Wear can clarify its use here.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  263. @Germanicus

    Bush the Elder was into it as well, but over time they had to change the name to ‘Planned Parenthood,’ as it sold better than Eugenics [not for all, of course, only the ‘selected’].

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  264. @Franklin Ryckaert

    How do you know that that story is “pure fiction”?

    I know, the modern Dutch Euthanasia program of 2001 is not a fiction.
    Where are you hypocrites complaining, instead of peddling same old holohoax nonsense?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  265. @refl

    In June, 2000, Josh Rolnick published an article in Moment** magazine profiling Holocaust survivor Morris Spitzer, a holocaust survivor who avers that he witnessed Nazis making soap from Jewish flesh.

    Playwright Jeff Cohen turned the story into a film, The Soap Myth, that has been presented in numerous locations in the last months; NYTimes reviewed it favorably.

    As the 17-min Q&A with Cohen informs, the film was framed to pose the question, Who has the right to write the history of holocaust.

    Ed Asner plays the role of the Survivor who insists that the story is true and must be included in holocaust museums, especially since he and all survivors will die soon and the next generation must remember . . .

    and

    ** Moment magazine, headquartered in Washington, DC, has been in business for many years, publishing articles of interest to the broad Jewish community. Only recently it began publishing reports from the State Dept office of antisemitism.

    • Replies: @eah
  266. @Wally

    Stop spreading FAKE NEWS, Wally.

    Archaeologist Yoram Haimi has mapped the mass graves in Sobibor. The monument is located upon a very minor fraction of Graves #1, #3, #4 and about half of grave #5. Most of the monument is not located upon a mass grave.

    There are bones scattered around Sobibor even to this day.

  267. eugyppius says:

    A disclaimer for legal purposes: I affirm the historical reality of the Holocaust, that is to say the mass-murder of European Jews by Germany under the NSDAP in the Second World War. There is no doubt that 11 million people were killed, 6 million of them Jews; and that about 3.2 million of these Jews were gassed in chambers or (at Chełmno) in vans.

    Just some meta commentary on a familiar pattern that emerges in this thread:

    The OP provides a specific thesis (totally discredited) addressing the historical credibility of a centralized plan to exterminate Jews in gas chambers. Affirmationists (like myself) appear in the comments. Many of us attack not the specific thesis but the broader narrative it threatens. We insist on the truth, namely the demographic collapse of Jewish populations in Europe in the years before 1945. Many denialists (who are wrong) respond with wide-ranging exculpatory pleas on behalf of Germans that advance a great many theses beyond those in the OP. Thus many of the comments overshoot the OP and much of the discussion comes to embrace the entire narrative of the Holocaust.

    Somehow, this put me in mind of a thing I experienced a long time ago. Basically I became convinced that I had discovered a kind of historical hoax. I realized that all the sources attesting to a certain event many centuries ago were unreliable or fraudulent. (In this they differed utterly from our best sources for the Holocaust, which are accurate and easily verified.) I had good proof of this fact, and so I argued a) that all the sources were bad, and b) that the event never happened. I wasn’t the first person to make these arguments; others had come before me, but I had stronger evidence than they did. When my work was published, some people agreed with me. Others reaffirmed the standard narrative (attacking me at point [b]) while ignoring or mischaracterizing most of my specific arguments for (a). I realized that the same thing had happened to the other scholars who had preceded me on this little intellectual journey. I also saw that they had gotten dragged into bigger debates about the narrative (b) while their specific proofs (a) gathered dust. Eventually they died or retired and people just carried on with the narrative as before because mostly they had just argued narrative-level stuff and the outcome of all those polemics was very unclear to everyone.

    Now this is just me, but I thought, if I could do it all over again, I would have been more circumspect about my conclusions, extending my case for (a) while leaving (b) implicit. That is not because I came to doubt my historical vision, but only because I realized that there was no convincing certain people, whatever the strength of my evidence. The only thing was to sow salt into the soil of my opponents’ enterprise and wait for it to shrivel their harvests. Especially if I had divorced (a) from (b) I might have even gotten some of my dimmer opponents citing and accepting my ideas before the implications became clear to them.

    That was just a minor drama about a small episode that most people have never heard of. But it is a tired truth in academia: The same patterns emerge whenever new discoveries demand that accepted paradigms be shifted. (I am not talking about the Holocaust which is firmly established.) Scholars who have built their careers on the premise that something happened cannot, as a rule, be convinced to abandon belief in that thing. The higher the edifice of scholarship dependent upon the paradigm, the more impossible it will prove to upset it, whatever the truth actually happens to be. And here I am writing only of purely academic ideas. Ideas that draw strength from and support existing political orders are even more deeply rooted. (And the Holocaust is the most firmly rooted of all, because it is true.) Even in the most academic apolitical cases, scholars believe the things that they were taught, not the things of which they have been convinced, and most advances happen with generational turnover. If you know what to look for, you can find a wide array of historical events that have been disproved or completely transformed by new evidence or clever arguments, even though nobody but a few pariahs will admit as much. (Of course the Holocaust does not fall in this category, because it happened.)

    Anyway, I have a religious belief in the truth and its power. Evidence of the truth (which is abundant in the case of the Holocaust) may be suppressed or neglected but it has its own mysterious pull. It can be published in the most obscure journals, but people will find it and cite it. Or the prevailing authorities can refuse to publish it at all, but someone else will stumble upon the same truth independently and promote it elsewhere himself. Thus the truth even in highly suppressive environments is like an invasive grass, sprouting anew everywhere. Narratives that run afoul of too much evidence (like Holocaust denialism) become harder and harder to maintain. They require more and more resources to prop up and they are always eroding at the edges.

    Going back to my own small life, I realized I was doing my opponents a favor by assaulting their narrative, because narratives aren’t really the locus of truth. All stories are a kind of mythology by which we relate a lot of smaller subordinate truths to each other. And in attacking the whole thing I risked overextending myself on a front that included too many weak positions. They were not weak because I was wrong, but because the nature of evidence is not the same everywhere. I thus got drawn into a lot of arguments about side issues where the sources were especially tangled and uncertain, and my opponents would say things like “all you’ve shown is that the nature of the evidence is extremely unclear, your radical ideas are totally unsupported.”

    Anyway, my missteps didn’t matter too much. As I type this, many years later, a lot of what I said about (a) is widely accepted. I made some mistakes, but because it was the truth other people I didn’t even know on other continents corrected and extended what I had realized about the sources. The narrative (b) is another matter: it still has supporters, but lately they haven’t been publishing all that much.

    A pompous and overdrawn two cents for you.

  268. Blankaerd says:
    @Bombercommand

    I see your point now. Yes, I suppose that in anticipation of the arrival of lots of jews to concentration camps, the Germans could have made a better effort to improve the living conditions in the camps and to install facilities (such as bathhouses and fumigation chambers) that could have prevented the outbreak that occurred in 1942. It affected not only the prisoners/slave laborers, but also the camp guards and staff members. The Germans bare the sole blame for that, for sure.

    In reaction to the outbreak, camp conditions did improve significantly though, that is until they really started losing the war.

  269. @Blankaerd

    You spread the fairy tale about Zyklon-B being used for the sole purpose of delousing.

    “Nach Sachlage bestehen keine Bedanken, wenn diejenigen Juden, die nicht arbeitsfähig sind, mit den Brackschen Hilfsmitteln beseitigt werden. ”

    T/N

    “As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy.”

    The “Brackian” remedy is referring to Viktor Brack, who one of the heads of the T-4 program.

  270. @Germanicus

    I am asking about X, you are answereing about Y.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  271. @eah

    I would like to see a more specific denunciation of the Johann Kremer case : 1) Did he really exist?, 2) Was he really tried in the Auschwitz trials ?, 3) Was his diary genuine?

    I think this would be a case important enough to be tackled by CODOH.

  272. @Iron Lion Zion

    “…Archaeologist Yoram Haimi has mapped the mass graves in Sobibor…”

    “Mapped” based on what? Excavations and finding of corpses? Or “mapped” based on “intuition”?

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  273. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I am asking about X, you are answereing about Y.

    I am just returning the favor.

    So what about the Dutch Euthanasia program? Any outrage on your part? Any protesting it with a silly sign in your hand? No? Why not?

    I live in the now, hence I ask you hypocrite spindoctors questions concerning the now, to put your insane moralization into proper context, which is pure hypocrisy on your part.

    Fact of the matter is, you have no moral high ground whatsoever, hence you try to ignore the question on the Dutch Euthanasia program of 2001.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  274. @Daniel Rich

    Look, Eugenics is not a bad thing, and it does not mean killing undesired life.
    It simply means in it’s purest form the aim to breed a better human being, just like horse breeders try to breed a better horse. The Soviets tried to create the new Soviet man, but the US has been successful with it’s creation.

    What is happening in US and EUSSR, is a strange kind of reverse Eugenics, trying to create the perfect dumb slave, degenerates easily controlled, too stupid to revolt, but intelligent enough to do work.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  275. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Excavations and finding of corpses

    Exactly that.

    IIRC, a minor portion of grave #4 contained no less than 2000 bone fragments.

  276. eah says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    …a holocaust liar survivor who avers that he witnessed Nazis making soap from Jewish flesh.

    Was he by any chance a friend of Arnold Friedman? — at the Zündel trial, Friedman testified, on the witness stand and under oath, that he could tell the origin of murdered Jews by looking at the color of the smoke coming from chimneys of the crematorium (which don’t produce smoke).

    Friedman — and perhaps Spitzer — are emblematic of a particular kind of Jew/”survivor”: so stupid, and besotted with the power/value of Jewish victimhood (conveyed largely via the ‘Holocaust’), as well as the gullibility of the goyim, that they don’t know when to shut up — they don’t seem to realize that some lies are simply too outlandish and unbelievable to tell — another example: Irene Zisblatt and her diamonds.

  277. “Films of the horrific scenes at the camps were made mandatory viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, so that their national pride would be destroyed and replaced with feelings of collective guilt.”

    this ruse is still in use today to subjugate the good German people and flood their clean, safe white counrty with millions of savages.

  278. @eah

    “Too stupid . . . don’t know when to shut up.”

    Perhaps, eah.

    imo The Soap Myth film / project is a conscious effort to regain ground that revisionists have claimed.

    I haven’t seen the play but from bits and pieces I gather that a “revisionist” was presented as charming, intelligent, etc., then cut down to reveal her “true evil” antisemitism.

    The old man is not marginalized, he is esteemed — who can call Ed Asner “stupid?”

    Perhaps it signifies that the vendors of holocaustism are feeling the heat, and with “survivors” dying off, Jewish PTB are desperate to infect the younger generation with holocaust trauma.

  279. @eah

    See John Wear’s comment #221, where he responds to this discrepancy. This article was picked up from a revisionist history site and they are the ones who just took what they found available as an image.

  280. bjondo says:

    No Zyklon B left?

    https://www.jta.org/1951/04/04/archive/u-n-childrens-fund-orders-ddt-for-israel-to-be-used-for-immigrants-from-iraq

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5117767
    ————————————————–

    To be fair to hollowfraud believers,
    the hollowfraud is a religion,
    albeit a strange one:
    peculiar, singular, queer.

    So,

    the Shlomos and Esthers are allowed
    fictions, delusions, deceit, oppressive behavior.

    5ds

  281. @Iron Lion Zion

    You mean he “mapped” them the same way that French priest Father Desbios “documented” the holocaust by bullets?

    Desbois actually claimed that German weather reports were coded, so if the report stated 2 mm of rain, this was code for 2,000 Jews shot. That is the quality of “the most documented event in history”.

    QUOTE There are bones scattered around Sobibor even to this day. END QUOTE

    Hhahahaha!!! Please stop, my sides!!!

    You mean you Jews just leave human bones lying around on the ground, so that everyone can share in the sufferink??? You religious maniacs are really something special.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  282. @Blankaerd

    How about an easy and simple “solution” to the entire mess: FREE THE SLAVES.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  283. Wally says:
    @eah

    Friedman also stated that he avoided being killed in a ‘gas chamber’ by breathing through the keyhole.

    (at the Flossenburg camp)

    “I stayed in the hospital for three days and had good food and a rest. The S.S. would come in twice a day and take away some men. A few times they would come past my bed, but they would take the man next to me. Then one evening, a lot of S.S. walked into the room and they ordered us to follow them. They ordered us into a room and locked the door. I heard a noise like a snake hissing, and then I heard the slave laborers shouting, “They are gassing us!” I smelled an awful odor. Some of the men dropped dead. The rest of us ran around the room cursing the Nazis.

    I couldn’t take it much longer and ran to the door and took hold of the knob and tried to open it. The door was locked. The smell of the gas got stronger. I coughed, and choked, and put my face to the keyhole and kept inhaling a little air from the outside. We had been in the room for about five minutes when I heard them outside the door talking in German. “Let’s see if some of them are still alive.” I went away from the keyhole and the door opened. For some reason which I could never figure out, God had saved me from the gas chamber. The S.S. shouted for us to go out. There were only five of us still alive; sixty lay behind, dead. As soon as we came outside and breathed the fresh air, the S.S. started to beat us. They chased us to a railroad station into boxcars and closed the doors on us. In the boxcar I lay down on the floor. I was bewildered. I couldn’t figure it out. Why hadn’t the S.S. murderers finished the job in the gas room? No, I couldn’t figure these things out”.

    – from: ‘Death Was Our Destiny’,p.49-50, by Arnold Friedman, Vantage Press, 1972.

  284. @eah

    You must not be familiar with my all time favorite liar, Dr Leon Wells. Dr Leon Wells claimed that every day the Jews were marched off to work accompanied by a 60 piece orchestra, and were forced by the mean, wicked Nazi’s to make up songs. ( 7 Dwarves?) The Jews were led to work by a mean, wicked Nazi who was wearing a devil’s costume, complete with a hook on his hand.

    When the Jews arrived at work they would forced to dig up previously murdered Jews. Leon and his coworkers would pile up bodies 2,000 feet high, and since Jews are inflammable, the mean wicked Nazis would simply hold a match to the toe of the nearest Jew and the entire Jew pile would bust into flames.

    Then the burnt Jews were put in a bone grinder, after which the Ash Commander ( and I am not kidding about this) would throw the ashes in the air and the ashes would disappear, into another dimension, or something.

    If this sounds like a laughable fairy tale, this is actual testimony from the Eichmann trial. You can read this testimony several places, most notably on the pro-Holyco$t site, Nizkor.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  285. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    – What bones? Show them to us.
    – What “mass graves”? Show them to us.
    – Revisionists have been all over lying shyster Zionist Haimi. Here is what he really found:
    – Maybe 4-5 skeletons for which no date of death has been established, it hasn’t determined that they are Jews, it’s not been determined that they were murdered. The Sobibor transit site has had many people passing through it through for centuries, of course people die and get buried. THIS is their best shot at showing the alleged 250,000 Jew human remains supposedly at Sobibor.
    recommended:
    Kola’s & Haimi’s Sobibor work not proven / sham ‘dig’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11276
    Israeli Yoram Haimi’s bogus Sobibor ‘dig’ demolished again: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9374
    alleged ‘execution sites’ map / So why don’t we see the alleged accompanying mass graves? What are they hiding?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10819
    Sobibor Jew corpses claimed here, so why don’t they excavate, verify, & show the world? !!!:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10610
    “Gas chamber” discovered at Sobibor: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8887

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  286. @Genrick Yagoda

    You mean he “mapped” them the same way that French priest Father Desbios “documented” the holocaust by bullets?

    Low effort whataboutism.

    QUOTE There are bones scattered around Sobibor even to this day. END QUOTE

    lol
    here’s a video

    Embarrassing Newbie.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  287. eah says:
    @John Wear

    Many thanks Mr Wear; your work is greatly appreciated, as is that of all revisionists, which is usually done on a shoestring (or less) when compared to the millions available for ‘exterminationist’ propaganda (the USHMM gets $50+m of taxpayer money every year).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  288. eah says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    If this sounds like a laughable fairy tale, this is actual testimony from the Eichmann trial.

    I believe it (and no I was not familiar with Wells, nor generally with what went on at the Eichmann trial) — this kind thing makes it even more remarkable that later the Supreme Court of Israel actually overturned the Demjanjuk verdict, condemning numerous witnesses for lying, and not just mis-remembering.

    Of course that was not the end of Demjanjuk’s problems, but that’s another (very interesting and, re goings-on in Germany today, relevant) story.

    • Replies: @eah
  289. @Wally

    At least you have admitted that washing clothes is an effective preventative of Typhus outbreaks and that typhus outbreaks occurred, so we have made some progress. As for you admitting the Nazis ran a vast rent-a-slave program and that the concentration camps were slave labor camps numbering in the hundreds, there is still some way to go. (scare quotes, whataboutism, and baseless rationalizations don’t count). [Block quote where I deny the foul Soviet gulag slave labor program or cite a “silly alleged letter”.]

  290. Anonymous[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Well, Ugarte in Casablanca was a cutrate opportunist, so cutrate “historical revisionism” is also possible, I suppose.

  291. @Wally

    Please, this is but a tiny grave, numbered #12 or #11 in Haimi’s report if I recall, a grave that in its size is about 1/100 of the size of the largest grave (numbered #3/4). In a small portion of the large grave Haimi unearthed about 2000 crushed bone fragments. Other mass graves also contained crushed/ashed bone fragments.

    The whole skeletons found are attributed by Haimi to POWs killed by bullets, probably outside the scope of the camp’s operation.

    And if we’re to speak of ashed bones, I will remind that excavations from the Belzec camp discovered no less than 33 mass graves covered with ashes and bone remains.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Wally
  292. @Iron Lion Zion

    “…In a small portion of the large grave Haimi unearthed about 2000 crushed bone fragments…

    Considering the fact that the human body contains 206 bones, that could account for only 10 people, but since we are talking about bone fragments it could be even less than 10. We are dealing with 170,000 – 250,000 alleged victims of genocide. Many more bones or bone fragments should have been found to account for such mass losses.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  293. @Germanicus

    Google : tu quoque fallacy.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  294. @Genrick Yagoda

    Fantastic. You’re a great storyteller.

  295. @Iron Lion Zion

    Incredible! Jew bones outside a badger hole!

    The mean wicked Nazi’s fed the Jews to badgers!

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  296. Blankaerd says:
    @Bombercommand

    How about no. Can’t have jews running rampant, becoming potential recruits for enemy resistance movements. They had to be quarantined and ultimately expelled from the Reich. May as well use them as a labor force for the time being. It’s a damn shame the Reich lost the war, otherwise the entire European continent would have been free of jews.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  297. L.K says:
    @John Wear

    First of all, thanks for your efforts Mr. Wear, your articles are greatly appreciated. You wrote above:

    German doctors determined that carbon monoxide gas was the most painless and humane way to euthanize people. The use of carbon monoxide gas therefore became the standard technique to kill people in the adult euthanasia program, with the first killings probably beginning in January 1940. Dr. Karl Brandt, Albert Widmann, Dr. Leonardo Conti and others all stated that they determined carbon monoxide gas to be the most humane method of euthanizing adults.’

    I must point out that the NS Euthanasia program, though well documented in the sense that it did take place, and holocaust revisionists do not dispute this, is far from being well documented in terms of how it was carried out and the scale of it.
    Therefore the notion that it is well established that it was mainly conducted through the use of bottled carbon monoxide is not correct, and holocaust revisionists do have well founded doubts in this connection.

    For example, in his excellent and recommended book ‘The Gas Chambers of Sherlock Holmes’, Samuel Crowell writes:

    Since there was a euthanasia program, and since it antedated the mass gassing program, the acceptance of the shower-gas-burning sequence for the euthanasia program provides strong support for the chronologically later claim of mass gassing, even though the specifics of the mass gassing claim were outlined in detail years before those of the euthanasia campaign were described.381

    Yet the description of the sequence for the euthanasia program comes after, and is clearly influenced by, the establishment of the canonical shower-gas-burning sequence, and furthermore has no material, documentary, or physical support.382

    Footnote 381. The euthanasia campaign was well documented, and may have involved carbon monoxide in some cases, although the overwhelming evidence points to sedatives and particularly injections, both in the euthanasia institutions and the concentration camps under the program “14 f 13.” …

  298. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Considering the fact that the human body contains 206 bones, that could account for only 10 people, but since we are talking about bone fragments it could be even less than 10. We are dealing with 170,000 – 250,000 alleged victims of genocide. Many more bones or bone fragments should have been found to account for such mass losses.

    Ah yes, the famous Denier “mathematics” and mental gymnastics.

    These bone fragments are always mixed with ashes. Given a cremated human body fits the volume of about 1 glass, the large grave – the one Haimi labeled #3/#4 – can alone contain 400,000 cremated corpses, which is way less than the estimated overall death toll of the camp.

    According to Haimi, one of the graves contains 70 centimeters of ashes mixed with human remains – this is NOT grave #3/#4, but a smaller grave the Nazis did not finish filling up.

    Video available here (it’s in Hebrew though) :

  299. @eah

    I talked directly to John Wear and the fact is that this article appeared on Inconvenient History (web magazine) in August 2017. (https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4885%5D Someone there (a volunteer, not necessarily Germar Rudolf) selected this image from Wikipedia as an illustration for the article and used the Wiki caption as given. (Haven’t we all been guilty of that.)

    It’s good that Wear emphasizes that his article is meant to contrast the Direct Order given for the Euthanasia program with the lack of one for the “Holocaust.” That’s its purpose. It’s also good that the subject of “Nazi” euthanasia should be well-aired and openly discussed because lies and misunderstandings abound concerning this subject. The problem is that information available on the Internet now is completely unsatisfactory and without foundation, such as the websites linked to by “Skeptikal.”

    John Wear admitted to me that most of his information came from the crazy Jew psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton’s book Nazi Doctors, hardly an unbiased source. He was a proponent of “Psycho-history” (history understood via psychoanalysis). You can read about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Lifton Warning! His page has four (4) major warnings about lack of references/citations. This is exactly why, quite a few years ago, I was not able to write the major essay I wanted to on the subject of “Nazi” Euthanasia – because I couldn’t find enough original research. I did come up with some good material, though, which I probably still have on the memory sticks of my old files. I’ll look and if it’s there, I’ll write something with it.

    It’s a subject that has always interested me. Probably because it’s been so misused and abused.

    • Replies: @John Wear
  300. @Genrick Yagoda

    lol, inane comments and mental gymnastics, that’s what you deniers are good at.

    Did you know the mass graves mapped by Haimi overlap with green areas visible upon the surface?

    Human remains are fertilizer.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  301. @Iron Lion Zion

    “…Given a cremated human body fits the volume of about 1 glass…”

    That is a gross underestimation :

    “…The processing of the fragments generates a uniform, pale grey to dark grey powder which is usually similar in texture and appearance to coarse sand. The cremated remains of an adult male will usually weigh around six pounds while the remains of an adult female will be closer to four pounds. The height of the deceased rather than their weight has a strong correlation with the weight of the ashes produced through cremation.

    Although cremated remains are commonly called ashes, in truth they are comprised of pulverized bone fragments…”

    Source : All About Cremation Ashes – What Are Human Ashes Made of…

  302. Zumbuddi says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    How is it known if these are Jewish bones?

    How can the presence of bones prove how they got there and by whom?

    The Zionists were dedicated eugenicists committed to racial purity — far more than Germans.
    Also, Zionist leaders knew very well which groups of Jews would never make the grade, AND that Palestine had limited capacity.
    In other words, Zionists had ideological as well as practical reasons to require the deaths of certain categories of Jews.

    It’s not outside the realm of possibility, even probability, that Jews killed fellow Jews themselves or, more likely, paid NS to do the deed.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  303. @Zumbuddi

    Because there was an alleged (((Transit-Camp))) there set-up by power-hungry maniacs from the 3rd Reich.
    Apparently the purpose of the facility was to send Jews to the (((Russian East))), that includes tens of thousand of Dutch Jews abducted from their homes and sent to this camp.

    If this was a transit-camp, we should have had a bunch of ten of thousands of Dutch Speaking Jews ending somewhere near Moscow or Tashkent .. can the deniers find them?

    Instead, we have many bones, and a lot of lime, scattered upon the surface, and beneath it, in the same so-called transit-camp.

    What a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  304. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Fine.
    I stand corrected.
    I was hasty with “one glass”, more like a big glass, or a small urn.

    Nevertheless, the entire camp’s death toll, when crushed and burned, fits into the mass graves.

    For comparison, check graves #12 and #13. These are the ones containing whole skeletons, posted by Wally above.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  305. Zumbuddi says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Alleged
    Power-hingry maniacs
    Apparently

    lots of slippery contingency that undermine persuasiveness.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  306. refl says:
    @eah

    Re colored smoke: There is a famous photograph from the Halama clinic, where euthanasia victims were killed. It shows thick, black smoke rising from a chimney, inspiring the idea that the people around would have known. Now, there always were rumors about euthanasia, so smoke was never needed as proof in that case.
    At the same time, thick, black smoke certainly does not arise from the burning of bodies of handicaped patients. It can mean anything or even has been added to some completely innocent picture. So even in cases that were never in doubt, proofs are being falsified in the most casual way. It is simply the modus operandi, when good thinking educators deal with Nationalsocialism.

  307. John Wear says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Carolyn Yeager,

    It is not entirely accurate to say that most of my information comes from Robert Jay Lifton’s book “Nazi Doctors”. I said that footnote 120 on page 468 in Chapter 10 of my book comes from that source.

    My other sources include “Karl Brandt: The Nazi Doctor” by Ulf Schmidt and “The Third Reich at War” by Richard J. Evans. I also conclude this section of my book with a quote on page 469 from Germar Rudolf, who is one of the world’s leading Holocaust Revisionists.

    I encourage you to write an article on this topic as I agree with you that our information on the German euthanasia program is far from complete.

  308. @Franklin Ryckaert

    I had my father cremated, and had the creamains buried, so I had to obtain an appropriate vessal, this was a cube shaped box. I remember this scene well. I would estimate no less than 2 litres in volume, but definitely not 3 litres volume, so 2.5 litres volume mininum. My father was 6′ 0″.

  309. @Blankaerd

    Only a minority of the slaves were jooooz. Non-joooo Poles and non-joooo Soviet citizens were the majority. In the American Zone of Occupation, we had plans to deal with the freed slaves taking revenge on German citizens under cover of the occupation. But those measures proved unneccesary, except for a tiny number of cases of recreational banditry, nearly all just wanted to get the hell out of Krautlandt as quickly as possible.

  310. @Zumbuddi

    How about referring to the actual content of my post?

    You want me to talk in a less cynical, more natural way? I can do that.

    At the bottom line, according to deniers, Sobibor was a transit-camp, through which tens of thousands of Jews were sent to an unknown location which the Nazis described vaguely as the “Russian East” on their records.

    According to what deniers tell us, all these people that never returned from the war were not actually gassed and burned in the camps, but were simply “sent elsewhere”, probably into Russia.

    It is not clear how did Germany manage to conduct a war against Russia AND send about 2 million Jews into it at the same time (as the figures in the Korherr Report suggest).

    It is also not clear why did Russia not order these Jews to turn back. These Jews simply “vanished” into the black hole that is the Russian East.

    It is very interesting for the case of Dutch Jews sent to Sobibor. They are supposed to live somewhere else, inside Russia, perhaps. A huge Dutch speaking community in Russia is easy to trace.

    And this clearly a false narrative.

    As contrary converging evidence, we have eye witnesses testimonies, confessions by the Nazis themselves, and of course, physical evidence of bone fragments, ashes and lime in the camps themselves.

    • Replies: @Wally
  311. @Germanicus

    Btw, can you please show me an original German document that proves and outlines a German extermination policy?

    I sure can.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html

    [MORE]

    Umsiedlungs-Aktion der Juden

    Eine besondere Aufgabe hat das Lager Auschwitz in der Regelung der Judenfrage. Modernste Massnahmen ermöglichen hier in kürzester Zeit und ohne grosses Aufsehen die Durchführung des Führerbefehls.

    Die sogenannte “Umsiedlungsaktion” der Juden läuft folgendermassen ab:

    Die Juden kommen in Sonderzügen (Güterwagen) gegen Abend an und werden auf besonderen Gleise in eigens dafür abgegrenzte Bezirke des Lagers gefahren. Dort werden sie ausgeladen und durch Aerztekommissionen in Anwesenheit des Lagerkommandanten und mehrerer SS-Führer erst einmal auf Arbeitsfähigkeit untersucht. Hier kommt jeder, der noch irgendwie in den Arbeitsprozess eingebaut werden kann, kommt [sic!] in ein besonderers Lager. Vorübergehend Erkrankte kommen sofort in das Sanitätslager und werden durch besondere Kost wieder gesund gemacht. Grundsatz ist: Jede Arbeitskraft ist zu erhalten. Die “Umsiedlungsaktion” älterer Art wird völlig abgelehnt, da man es sich nicht leisten kann, wichtige Arbeitsenergien laufend zu vernichten.

    Die Untauglichen kommen in ein größeres Haus in die Kellerräume, die von aussen zu betreten sind. Man geht 5 – 6 Stufen herunter und kommt in einen längeren, gut ausgebauten und durchlüfteten Kellerraum, der rechts und links mit Bänken ausgestattet ist. Er ist hell erleuchtet und über den Bänken befinden sich Nummern. Den Gefangenen wird gesagt, dass sie für ihre neuen Aufgaben desinfiziert und gereinigt werden, sie müssten sich also alle völlig entkleiden, um gebadet zu werden.

    -2-

    Um jegliche Panik und jede Unruhe zu vermeiden, werden sie angewiesen, ihre Kleider schön zu ordnen und unter die für sie bestimmten Nummern zu legen, damit sie nach dem Bad auch ihre Sachen wiederfinden. Es geht alles in völliger Ruhe vor sich. Dann durchschreitet man einen kleinen Flur und gelangt in einen grossen Kellerraum, der einem Brausebad ähnelt. In diesem Raum befinden sich drei grosse Säulen. In diese kann man – von oben ausserhalb des Kellerraumes – gewisse Mittel herablassen. Nachdem 300 – 400 Menschen in diesem Raum versammelt sind, werden die Türen geschlossen und von oben herab die Behälter mit den Stoffen in die Räume gelässen [sic]. Sowie diese Behälter den Boden der Säule berühren, entwickeln sie bestimmte Stoffe, die in einer Minute die Menschen einschläfern. Einige Minuten später öffnet sich an der anderen Seite eine Tür, die zu einem Fahrstuhl führt. Die Haare der Leichen werden geschnitt[en] und von besonderen Fachleuten (Juden) die Zähne ausgebrochen (Goldzähne). Man hat die Erfahrung gemacht, das[s] die Juden in hohlen Zähnen Schmuckstücke, Gold, Platin usw. versteckt halten. Danach werden die Leichen in Fahrstühle verladen und kommen in den 1. Stock. Dort befinden sich 10 grosse Krematoriumsöfen, in welchen die Leichen verbrannt werden. (Da frische Leichen besonders gut brennen, braucht man für den Gesamtvorgang nur 1/2 bis 1 Ztr. Koks.) Die Arbeit selbst wird von Judenhäftlingen verrichtet, die dieses Lager nie wieder verlassen.

    Bisheriger Erfolg dieser “Umsiedlungsaktion”: 500 000 Juden.

    Jetzige Kapazität der “Umsiedlungsaktion”-Oefen: 10 000 Juden in 24 Stunden.

    • Troll: L.K, Germanicus
    • Replies: @Wally
  312. @turtle

    I am not jooooish, I am a proud Aryan, descended from the noble and mighty Franke who fought and conquered the Roman Empire. My dear departed girlfriend’s family who were seized and held as slaves were Polish Catholic. BTW, the seizure of my girlfriend’s family was similar, but much worse, than that scene in Schindler’s List. The Kraut came at the crack of dawn and invaded every apartment building. Immediately they were rousted out of their apartments onto the street with only the clothes on their backs, no luggage permitted. Immediately, on the street in front of their building, the men were separated from the women and children, and loaded on separate transports, with husbands and wives sent to widely separated destinations, and no husband or wife knew where the other had been sent.

  313. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    LOL. Cut the crap.
    Yeah it is a tiny grave, but it is the only grave with human remains in it. And those have never even been proven to be from the period, or that they are even Jews.
    Hey dummy, it’s called DNA.
    you said:
    ” In a small portion of the large grave Haimi unearthed about 2000 crushed bone fragments. Other mass graves also contained crushed/ashed bone fragments.”

    – More laughs. So show us these laughable fragments. This will be entertaining.

    you said:
    “The whole skeletons found are attributed by Haimi to POWs killed by bullets, probably outside the scope of the camp’s operation.”

    – “Attributed” by who?
    Show us the report and how the attribution process was done.
    You cannot because the entire matter is a laughable fraud. You are all talk.

    – Show us the actual & alleged mass graves, not some shyster’s drawing that claims where they are.
    It’s basic stuff, but Haimi nor yourself can show them because they are not there.

    – I have posted comprehensive information which utterly demolishes every single thing you claim about Haimi & Sobibor and you choose to dodge that damning information. We know why.

    You are in over your head, child.
    Show us the the human remains of the claimed 250,000 a Sobibor.

  314. @Iron Lion Zion

    Didn’t the mean wicked Nazi’s have an Ash Commander at Sobibor? If only they had an Ash Commander, there wouldn’t be any Jew fertilizer for the grass.

    And since Jews appear to be at least as inflammable as Naphtha, (when they aren’t gushing Blood Fountains) are you sure the brown areas are not where the Jews are buried? It would make more sense, chemically speaking.

  315. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Hilarious, you keep making a fool of yourself thinking you really have something.

    – It’s incredible how backward people like you are to the fact that Revisionists have been through every single impossible claim, every single so called “document”, you name it, Revisionist have researched it. Revisionists are way ahead of you and those like you every step of the way. You simply have no chance with your “holocaust” religion nonsense.
    That laughable “report” has been absolutely exposed for the cheap fake that it is long ago.

    recommended:
    Yet another fake document: Franke-Gricksch ‘Resettlement Action Report’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=116

    The Franke-Gricksch “Resettlement Action Report”, Anatomy of a Fabrication, By Brian A. Renk: https://codoh.com/library/document/2347/

    tons more on that desperate nonsense, the so called “Franke-Gricksch Resettlement Action Report”:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=franke+report&fid%5B0%5D=2

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  316. @John Wear

    Sorry I only remembered that part and thanks for correcting me, John. I am grateful to make the acquaintance of Robert Jay, though – such a character!

  317. @Wally

    I already posted above a video with a lecture by Haimi where he shows a grave with 70 centimeters of layers of human ashes and human remains which he unearthed under a meter a half of sand. You can check it above. He also shows a photo of disturbed Earth with human remains scattered along it. According to him, it is scattered upon the whole surface of the mass grave. That corresponds another video I posted above, also by a visitor to Sobibor, which traces and finds bone fragments on the ground. It is actually very easy to see photos of bone fragments in Sobibor, just google it, as any visitor of Sobibor can find them scattered around.

    Therefore your statement of

    Yeah it is a tiny grave, but it is the only grave with human remains in it.

    is completely false.

    Anyway, back to Haimi – he did not unearth the entire vicinity of the graves, but a fraction of them. He had to get approval from the Sobibor museum for every inch he digs, plus he had restrictions placed on him by a Rabbi who supervised the procedure and took care not to desecrate dead bodies too much.

    *Despite* of that he managed to find human remains.

    Your focus on the whole-skeleton graves is a distraction, a sort of whataboutism. Pretty predictable by the way.

    The one who attributed the skeletons to a pre-Sobibor period was Haimi himself, IIRC. I read his report about a year ago, but I am not sure it’s still available online. That was an assumption he made, anyway.

    I have posted comprehensive information which utterly demolishes every single thing you claim about Haimi & Sobibor and you choose to dodge that damning information. We know why.

    No you did not, you posted links to Codoh, which I doubt are worth reading. I entered one of them, I saw gibberish.

  318. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    said:
    “As contrary converging evidence, we have eye witnesses testimonies, confessions by the Nazis themselves, and of course, physical evidence of bone fragments, ashes and lime in the camps themselves.”
    Really?
    – – So then, give is your “eyewitness testimonies”. Tell us who you are referring to. Give us their own words. Tell us where they were supposedly at and when.
    Tell us what courts they testified in.

    – – What “confessions”? Tell us who & what.
    The ones at Nuremberg where it has been admitted by Allied officials that torture and threats were the norm in getting absurd “confessions”?

    – recommended: quora.com / Tim O’Neill: Nazis never denied ‘holocaust’ / WRONG: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8165

    – -You mean ridiculous “bone fragments:” that you cannot show us? LOL
    Come on big boy, were talking about the human remains of an alleged ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ whose alleged human remains supposedly exist in known locations. Yep, that is what is claimed.

    — And all you can say is ‘Oh gee, there is some tiny bone fragments which I cannot show you’.

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions of people were murdered and dumped into allegedly known mass graves, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents. They would be laughed out of that court.

  319. @Wally

    Hey Wally, I checked Haimi’s video a bit deeper.

    [MORE]

    Did I get over my head, Wally?

    Do you still think the skeletons you posted are the only remains?

  320. @Wally

    You’re doing no good, Wally.

    I already showed you a picture of charred and un-charred bones collected by Haimi’s team, which he numbers to 3000.

    Here it is again :

    And here is another mass grave he unearthed with a great amount of women hair, he says the stench is horrible :

    • Replies: @Theodore
  321. @Wally

    Hilarious is what you are, Wally. And extremely predicted too.

    The articles you posted are old articles, based on the fact the carbon copy of the Franke-Gricksch Report was never found back. So the deniers took advantage of that and declared it as fake.

    Well guess what, the carbon copy was recently found in a German archive. This is what the HC article is all about. But of course you did not bother reading it. You just saw the headline and responded, like a robot. Many deniers in Codoh fell for that as well, trying to refute this HC article about the recent finding with old articles which are no longer relevant.

    Anyway, the HC article I linked to actually addresses the very articles you posted and refutes them. That includes the canard of Franke-Gricksch using only Franke as his surname in documents.

    Hard luck, you are outdated.

    Edit : This Lamprecht from Codoh you linked to is also using an old article to “refute” the HC article. A bunch of robots in an echo chamber.

    • Replies: @Wally
  322. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    LOL, dumsky.
    An alleged “carbon copy” changes nothing about the absurd and impossible ‘text’ within it. Go ahead tell what points HC has “addressed”.
    such as:

    – The “report” is not written by German official Alfred Franke-Gricksch, but a text typed up by a certain Eric Lipmann
    – No original has ever been produced.
    – The document and its history are full of various absurdities, Lipmann clearly made it all up>
    – There is another English translation of a report allegedly written by Gricksch, found in the British National Archives in the early 2000s, posted here: https://archive.is/kBLa
    – There is no German original for this second report, but it doesn’t even speak of Jews being killed, just their property being confiscated. It’s in perfect agreement with the revisionist position
    – According to Franke-Gricksch, Crematory II had ten furnaces. The actual number was five furnaces (or 15 muffles) for disease abatement.*
    – According to the document, 25 to 50 kg of coke were sufficient to incinerate 300 to 400 corpses (resulting in some 100 grams of coke per corpse), “As fresh corpses burn particularly well”! *
    – The ventilation of the “gas chamber” only took several minutes – completely impossible.
    Cyanide from insecticide Zyklon-B takes several hours to outgas. *
    Death of the victims occurred after a minute – entirely fallacious.*
    Even the impossible storyline says 20-30 minutes.
    – The burning capacity of the furnaces amounted to 10,000 corpses a day – practically tenfold of the theoretical maximum number.
    – The Jews were accustomed to hiding pieces of jewelry in their teeth. LOL

    * The alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

    You are contradicting a narrative which you obviously know nothing about.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  323. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    – You mean the mass graves filled with alleged human remain which you nor Haimi can show us. Anyone can draw a simple map with claims. but no proof.

    – And of course we must ask how all these alleged 250,000 Jews at Sobibor were supposedly killed in the first place.
    I challenge you to tell us about the alleged murder weapon and how it as used to kill 250,000 Jews.

    – Also, do tell us how all these alleged bones were supposedly “crushed” while you also claim that almost complete skeletons of 4-5 people that I posted are proof of 250,000 dead Jews.

    Maybe you’ll tell us about the hilarious ‘Nazi bone crushing machine’ that was really a small cement mixer, as shown here:see much more at:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    comment # 1387
    and:
    The Bone Mill of Lemberg, By Klaus Schwensen: https://codoh.com/library/document/3220/?lang=en
    also:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=bone+crushing+machine

    Your Zionist / Haimi video has already been addressed here:
    “Gas chamber” discovered at Sobibor: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8887
    Which I posted previously and you predictably ignored.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  324. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I’ve been busy with my own work, but noticed this thread was still running very strong, with comments now approaching 50,000 total words. Glancing at some of them, I saw all sorts of complex, technical arguments that I can’t properly evaluate, as well as conflicting videos which I don’t have the time or interest in watching. But I do have a couple of very simple questions that perhaps a few people can address…

    (1) If we believe that the Nazis exterminated around 6 million Jews, substantially in gas chambers, that would certainly have been the most astonishing, industrial-scale massacre of civilians in world history, and would have represented a pretty significant fraction of all the WWII dead in the European theater. Obviously, a very, VERY big deal.

    Yet the massive post-war memoirs of Eisenhower, Churchill, and De Gaulle, which total some 7,000 pages, supposedly contain virtually no indications of those gigantic events, which seems utterly inexplicable, since they obviously would have constituted the strongest possible justification for the war that had been fought.

    Holocaust-skeptics would obviously argue that those three top Allied leaders knew perfectly well that the story was a hoax and they assumed that within a few years it would be universally recognized as such. Therefore, they reasonably feared that mentioning it in their books would make them look totally ridiculous to future generations and therefore avoided the subject.

    But how exactly do Holocaust-adherents explain this utterly astonishing lapse?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#explicit-and-implicit-holocaust-denial-after-world-war-ii

    (2) Prof. John Beaty had held a crucial position in American Military Intelligence during WWII, being responsible for summarizing all available Intelligence information into a daily digest to be distributed to the White House and other top American leaders. In 1951, he published The Iron Curtain Over America harshly denouncing Jewish political subversion.

    In that book, he devoted a page or two to casually ridiculing what he described as the totally absurd “Jewish Holocaust” myth of WWII, which seemed to have already been largely forgotten as a piece of absurd postwar propaganda except perhaps among a few diehard Jewish fanatics.

    His book drew ferocious attacks by the ADL and other Jewish groups, yet none of them seem to have challenged his ridicule of the Holocaust as a propaganda hoax. Moveover, his book became a huge national conservative best-seller and won the glowing endorsement of numerous top American generals. Wouldn’t this suggest that almost no one of high political or military rank believed in the reality of the Holocaust just a few years after WWII?

    Prof. Revilo Oliver had also been a high-ranking figure in American Military Intelligence during WWII. In 1981, he published his memoirs, also ridiculing the supposed Holocaust, but expressing total amazement that the hoax had become so widely believed after 35 years and wondering just how long that strange situation would continue. It seems very clear that Oliver didn’t believe in the reality of the Holocaust, and given his wartime role, he probably would have had access to solid information.

    How do believers in the Holocaust explain these facts?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/

  325. @Ron Unz

    Now Ron, I don’t know much about the Holocaust, and can’t analyze this issues the way you can, but I have just one question
    The story of the Holocaust is that the Jewish population took a massive plunge in the 1930-1940s and never really recovered. The claim is that the Jewish population fell some 3/8ths from 16 million to 10 million. Now if the Holocaust was not has horrible as advertised, and if the numbers are totally bogus, then either the Pre-Holocaust Jewish population estimates are fake, or the Post-Holocause Jewish population estimates are fake, or all the data is fake.
    But I haven’t really seen any solid evidence to disprove the notion that Jewish numbers collapsed in the 1930s-1940s. All the ancedotal and statistical evidence seem to match up with the notion that something did happen to them.
    Now, I do concede that maybe many simply left the Jewish faith, and that registered the collapse in numbers, but given that most Jews were singled out for their different looks in Germany at the time, I highly doubt that would have been effective at warding off angry Germans.
    I also agree that the severe income inequality in Germany, and the total mismanagement of the German economy by the ruling Jewish class played a major role, and that elements of anti-Semitism were understandable back then.
    But it seems to me that some great tragedy did occur, even if it may not have been as big as many claim.
    In addition, people were claiming the 6 million figure as back as the 50s and 60s itself. Like you said, if it was such a bogus number, wouldn’t have Eisenhower, or some politically-incorrect former general cast some major doubt? Even if they agreed some widespread persecution of Jews occured, if they didn’t believe in the 6 million figure, they surely would have mentioned it.
    I do agree that the Holocaust is being used to cover up bad Isreali foreign policy and election meddling, and as well as the corruptness of some Jews here in the West, but I feel like something like the Holocaust would be hard to manufacture.

  326. Wally says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron:

    To clarify, it’s not only the absurd claim of ‘6,000,000 Jews’, there is also the claim within the “holocaust” narrative that an additional 2,000,000 – 5,000,000 ‘others’ were murdered in the same manner, depending on which propagandist you talk to.

    That ca. 11,000,000 is equal to the population of London, England. One helluva a lot people to magically disappear.

    No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  327. Wally says:
    @Ron Unz

    On Eisenhower, other Allied leaders and the so called “holocaust”, recommended:

    The Allied Leaders on the “Holocaust”, By Panagiotis Heliotis
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5104/?lang=en

    Was General de Gaulle a “Revisionist”? Charles de Gaulle and the “Extermination of the Jews”, By Jean-Marie Boisdefeu : https://codoh.com/library/document/1757/?lang=en

    much more: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=de+gaulle+eisenhower

  328. Wally says:
    @John Arthur

    No, ‘6M dead Jews’ was promoted by Jews as far back as at least 1823. That’s a fact.

    [MORE]

    6 MILLION?


    also see:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    As for population numbers, these take care of that:

    Comparison between Jewish census figures: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4474
    Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis, W. Benz and W. N. Sanning – A Comparison, By Germar Rudolf : https://codoh.com/library/document/930/?lang=en

  329. Ron Unz says:
    @John Arthur

    The story of the Holocaust is that the Jewish population took a massive plunge in the 1930-1940s and never really recovered.

    Well, unlike some of the participants on this thread, I’m hardly a “Holocaust expert.” But from what I know, the Holocaust-skeptics have pointed to lots of official yearbooks and other sources showing little if any change in the estimated world Jewish population in the postwar world, though their opponents always challenge those figures.

    In addition, people were claiming the 6 million figure as back as the 50s and 60s itself. Like you said, if it was such a bogus number, wouldn’t have Eisenhower, or some politically-incorrect former general cast some major doubt?

    Actually, discussion of such huge figures seems to have been *extremely* rare by anyone knowledgeable or prominent in the postwar period. My impression is that the whole story was generally been treated as ridiculous wartime propaganda, which people assumed would gradually fade away or be debunked after a decade or two, just as had happened with ridiculous WWI propaganda.

    Obviously, prominent political figures such as Eisenhower and De Gaulle couldn’t contradict it, lest contemporary Jewish activists attack and vilify them, but they similarly couldn’t endorse it for fear of having future generations laugh at them. So they just kept totally silent. I discussed the whole situation at considerable length in my long article last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    • Replies: @John Arthur
    , @L.K
  330. @Iron Lion Zion

    Good, based on the amount of ashes/crushed bones found, how many persons could have been killed in Sobibor?

    I am myself interested to know what happened to the Dutch Jews (I am Dutch). The weakest part of the revisionist position is that they have no real answer to the question what happened to the abducted Jews if they were not murdered. If those “death camps” were in reality transit camps and the Jews were really “sent to work camps in the East”, why are there no survivors of those camps to tell their story? And what happened to people who could not work (at least half of their number)? If those work camps in the East were liberated by the Russians, what happened to those liberated Jews? One thing is sure : none of those Dutch Jews returned to their homes in the Netherlands. Same with the 400,000 Hungarian Jews who were abducted in 1944. No trace of them at all.

    Besides, why have no German documents found about those “work camps in the East”? Surely they would require a vast organization and administration.

    I am glad at least you are prepared to engage in a serious debate with revisionists, rather than the usual reaction of silencing. The last word about this matter has not yet been spoken.

  331. Biff says:
    @John Arthur

    The story of the Holocaust is that the Jewish population took a massive plunge in the 1930-1940s and never really recovered. The claim is that the Jewish population fell some 3/8ths from 16 million to 10 million. Now if the Holocaust was not has horrible as advertised, and if the numbers are totally bogus, then either the Pre-Holocaust Jewish population estimates are fake, or the Post-Holocause Jewish population estimates are fake, or all the data is fake.

    Just want to point out that the first two words of your paragraph are “The story”.

  332. @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron,
    The explanation for Eisenhower’s silence does make sense. Ill check out the article.

  333. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    >>>It takes an amazing accountant to calculate that 600,000 more than they had control over claimed reparations, while 6,000,000 were lost in the process.<<<<<

    Maybe this aspect should be closer examined. Why hasn't it?

    It has been so long ago, that I do not remember when and where, but I remember reading something to that effect.
    At the time Simone Veil was president of the European Parliament. And that is why I remember it, she was carried on the list of victims, though she was very much alive.

    How many were there to start with? How many survivors have been compensated?
    And where do the 600.000 extras figure in.

  334. L.K says:

    As I said above, although the reality of the NS Euthanasia program is not in doubt, the details, including the methods used are pretty vague. This is something that is admitted even by the more honest of the court historians.
    For ex, in the recent holoHoax anthology ‘Neue Studien zu nationalsozialistischen Massentötungen durch Giftgas’:

    Brigitte Kepplinger characterizes the body of source material with the following words (footnote 9 on p. 79):
    We must underline here the precarious nature of the sources which does not allow us to define with any degree of precision the beginnings or the detailed scenario of how the various euthanasia actions were set up. The most important primary sources no longer exist, such as the files of the Führer chancellery. The files of ‘Zentraldienststelle’ of ‘T4’ were destroyed in 1944/45 except for a small portion which was later labeled the ‘Heidelberg Documents.’

    For that reason, the statements by the witnesses and the defendants during the corresponding trials thus constitute the most important source. These statements are in part imprecise, contradict one another or are contradictory in themselves to such an extent that a reconstruction of the planning process is tainted by a degree of uncertainty.”

  335. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    “The weakest part of the revisionist position is that they have no real answer to the question what happened to the abducted Jews if they were not murdered.”

    – That’s classic unhinged “holocaust” logic. LOL

    – It is your Jews and their profitable “Holocaust Industry” who say that “abducted Jews” went to immense mass graves. They say that is what “happened to the “abducted Jews”.

    They also say that the remains of “abducted” Jew are in precisely known locations.
    And of course there are no such remains.
    Jews simply went where Jews are.

    – It was in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering “survivors” testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said abbsurd “testimonies” on video

    – Of course you dodged my comment #128 above which further shreds your illogical assertions. You just keep repeating your “Holocaust Religion” beliefs, as impossible and irrational as they are.

    And you have previously been slapped silly in the comments here:

    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    Babi Yar: The Einsatzgruppen ‘Killings’: https://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
    and in other comment section here. You simply have no chance in debate and I’ve shown it.

  336. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yet another example of Franklin Ryckaert being dismembered in the comments section, see: Teaching Holocaust, Don’t know much about history, by Philip Girald”
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/teaching-holocaust/

    And here’s yet more that he’ll dodge:

    Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis
    https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en
    Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://archive.is/jA9iI
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees
    exc.:
    “Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.”

    INFLUX OF 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem, JUNE 24, 1946:
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2160
    https://archive.is/Jw6EM
    WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191
    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  337. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz, let me recommend to you a couple of revisionist books on the fraudulent claims of NS mass murder through poison gas:

    The excellent ‘The Gas Chambers of Sherlock Holmes’ by Samuel Crowell, can be downloaded for free at:
    http://www.samuelcrowell.com/

    The other one is ‘Inside the Gas Chambers—The Extermination of Mainstream Holocaust Historiography’ by Carlo Mattogno, which deals with the ‘best’ arguments from holocaust orthodoxy. It can be purchased or downloaded for free @
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=25

  338. @Franklin Ryckaert

    One thing is sure : none of those Dutch Jews returned to their homes in the Netherlands.

    Stalin ordered all non-Russian Jews be sent to gulags some time after the war because he didn’t “know” if they would be loyal “peaceful Soviet citizens.” He essentially murdered them all. Perhaps some of them survived in the harsh northern climes and their descendants are just Russian citizens today. Russia is a very big place, you know. Easy to get lost in.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  339. @Wally

    You’re quite a charlatan, aren’t you? At least have the honesty and integrity to admit that you were wrong.

    Let’s go back for a bit, before I address your new arguments.

    You starting by posting this picture

    With this text

    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.

    I call you out as a creator of FAKE NEWS, since we all know the monument is not located “over the remains”, but over a small portion of some of the graves.

    I attached this map by Haimi to demonstrate that

    [MORE]

    I also attached this picture to show the mass graves overlap with green areas upon the surface, suggesting these areas are extra fertilized.

    Now, you already *knew* about the findings of both Kola and Haimi, neither of which claiming the monument is located *over* the remains in their entirety. You were fully aware of that because you already had knowledge of Haimi’s work. In other words you were fully aware that no side claims the monument covers the remains in their entirety and you deliberately *lied* about that.

    Moving on, you asked to question the impact of Haimi’s finding by reducing it to two graves with a few skeletons

    These graves #12 and #13 in the map I just posted.

    You falsely claimed that this is the *only* human remains Haimi managed to unearth. Arrogantly you asked me, and I quote you

    More laughs. So show us these laughable fragments. This will be entertaining.

    And voila ! This is exactly what I did – finding a picture of 3000 crushed and charred bone fragments out of a Haimi video

    And also

    Now, do you have the integrity to admit that you were wrong? Of course you don’t.

    What is your response then? Let’s see

    Your Zionist / Haimi video has already been addressed here:
    “Gas chamber” discovered at Sobibor: -link-
    Which I posted previously and you predictably ignored.

    No it’s not. This thread is from 2014, my video is from 2015. Plus, I don’t see here any references to the said video, just discussing an article by using whataboutism and inane irrelevant comments.

    This is the last time I am entering your Codoh links, they are a waste of time.

    Anyway, about the rest of your arguments :

    – You mean the mass graves filled with alleged human remain which you nor Haimi can show us. Anyone can draw a simple map with claims. but no proof.

    More dishonesty, and a really outrageous one. A picture of a grave full of crashed and charred bones it’s exactly what I just showed you, from the Haimi’s video.

    – And of course we must ask how all these alleged 250,000 Jews at Sobibor were supposedly killed in the first place.
    I challenge you to tell us about the alleged murder weapon and how it as used to kill 250,000 Jews.

    Holocaust Controversies got a lot of material about Sobibor, I bet you can find it there, it’s not very hard, they have a search engine.

    – Also, do tell us how all these alleged bones were supposedly “crushed” while you also claim that almost complete skeletons of 4-5 people that I posted are proof of 250,000 dead Jews.

    Ditto.

    Maybe you’ll tell us about the hilarious ‘Nazi bone crushing machine’ that was really a small cement mixer, as shown here

    First time I hear of this “small cement mixer” accusation, I’ll look into it.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Theodore
  340. @tac

    Thanks for the Hitler speech Tac – the long one. A bit of a change from the Hollywood’s Satan
    I have been watching all my life. HItler really was a great man. If anyone had told me even 3 years ago that I would say that , i would have recommended a long stay at a sanitarium. But there it is.

  341. @Wally

    You’re embarrassing yourself.

    The “report” is not written by German official Alfred Franke-Gricksch, but a text typed up by a certain Eric Lipmann

    Again, you’re outdated. This is no longer relevant. The carbon copy got nothing to do with Eric Lipmann, it was extracted from a German archive. Just read the HC article.

    Any argument related to Eric Lipmann, who held a copy of the re-typed report, is no longer valid. Period.

    No original has ever been produced

    Again, no longer relevant. A carbon copy is being produced *together* with the original, at the same time, by the same typewriter and by the same writer.
    First we were lacking an original, now we have the copy document produced with the original at the same time and by the same instruments.

    The document and its history are full of various absurdities, Lipmann clearly made it all up

    A rehearsal of your first argument.

    – There is another English translation of a report allegedly written by Gricksch, found in the British National Archives in the early 2000s, posted here: https://archive.is/kBLa
    – There is no German original for this second report, but it doesn’t even speak of Jews being killed, just their property being confiscated. It’s in perfect agreement with the revisionist position

    No German original? Shouldn’t you be screaming FAKE by now? Isn’t it convenient that when a document fits your agenda you don’t question its authenticity?
    Anyway, the HC article addresses this question. The “long” F-G Report have not a single word about Birkenau, it does not and cannot refute the existence of a separate and exclusive Birkenau report issued by F-G. Actually, F-G being completely silent about Birkenau in the “long” report speaks volumes about it.

    According to Franke-Gricksch, Crematory II had ten furnaces. The actual number was five furnaces (or 15 muffles) for disease abatement.*

    This, and the other distorted technical details explained in the HC article, and additionally, in this following article as well

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/10/vincent-reynouard-and-franke-gricksch_11.html

    Have a good read.

    – The Jews were accustomed to hiding pieces of jewelry in their teeth. LOL

    Ever heard of golden teeth? Sheesh.

    • Replies: @eugyppius
    , @Theodore
  342. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Good, based on the amount of ashes/crushed bones found, how many persons could have been killed in Sobibor?

    I already stated several time that Haimi did not dig into the full vicinity of the graves. Actually, it’s the other way around. Due to many restriction, he only dug a minor fraction. Most of the graves are still uncovered.

    *Despite* of that he managed to locate about 3000 bone fragments, which according to deniers, should never have been existed in a camp like Sobibor.

    Therefore, as long as the graves are not covered in their entirety, this question is a distraction.

    I am myself interested to know what happened to the Dutch Jews (I am Dutch). The weakest part of the revisionist position is that they have no real answer to the question what happened to the abducted Jews if they were not murdered. If those “death camps” were in reality transit camps and the Jews were really “sent to work camps in the East”, why are there no survivors of those camps to tell their story? And what happened to people who could not work (at least half of their number)? If those work camps in the East were liberated by the Russians, what happened to those liberated Jews? One thing is sure : none of those Dutch Jews returned to their homes in the Netherlands. Same with the 400,000 Hungarian Jews who were abducted in 1944. No trace of them at all.

    Besides, why have no German documents found about those “work camps in the East”? Surely they would require a vast organization and administration.

    Exactly.

    I am glad at least you are prepared to engage in a serious debate with revisionists, rather than the usual reaction of silencing.

    Thanks.

    The last word about this matter has not yet been spoken.

    For the memory of the martyrs and for the sake of historical truth, my soul won’t allow me to rest as long as the deniers keep on writing their logical fallacies and lies.

  343. eah says:
    @John Wear

    Mr Wear, do you speak/read German? — the main page of the Bundesarchiv about T4:

    Euthanasie im Dritten Reich — Hinweise zu den Patientenakten aus dem Bestand R 179 Kanzlei des Führers, Hauptamt II b

    Note there is a link at the bottom of this page to their collection of source material (Quellen):

    Inventar der Quellen zur Geschichte der “Euthanasie”-Verbrechen 1939-1945

    Note also the euthanasia program is regarded as a crime: Verbrechen — they also put “Euthanasie” in quotes to emphasize that.

    There is also a German Wikipedia page about T4 (von Tiergartenstraße 4):

    Aktion T4

    It has a fairly lengthy Literatur section — I have not read a German book on T4 — since in Germany it is regarded/treated as just another crime of the Nazis, it may be difficult to find one that approaches this topic objectively.

    • Replies: @John Wear
  344. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Kind of meek response.
    I bet you were on the side of those who implemented the Dutch euthanasia program, because “it serves us, the Jews”. You f***cking hypocrites.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  345. @Wally

    To clarify, it’s not only the absurd claim of ‘6,000,000 Jews’, there is also the claim within the “holocaust” narrative that an additional 2,000,000 – 5,000,000 ‘others’ were murdered in the same manner, depending on which propagandist you talk to.

    Actually, despite the constant 24/7 “holocaust” brainwashing and cult, I had heard about the 5 million “others” claim just about 10 years ago. An Australian shill claimed his Australian grandfather “liberated” Auschwitz and basically counted 11 million corpses.
    Same shill also made use of the cement mixer, claiming it to be a “bone crushing machine”. This “5 million others” thing is a western lie, never heard it from the Soviets and Reds. There is considerable difference in narrative between US and Soviet enforced lies.

    These people really target the stupid and gullible, no Australian soldier has ever set a foot at the eastern front. As you know, Wiesel debated with his father if they should be evacuated by the German troops or wait for the Soviets. They decided to go with their alleged murderers, the Germans.

  346. @Germanicus

    I agree with you about the Eugenics being what they are.

    When I read Bush the Elder’s ‘The Unauthorized Biography‘ by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, the part of the man’s obsession with Eugenics toward non-whites was…. well not unexpected… [I recommended read, if you haven’t].

    I’m of the opinion people should die with dignity, if they so choose so, even if it’s [way] before their natural signing off, so I’m pro-Euthanasia.

    In nature there’s no ER…

    To be honest, if I’d lived up to that philosophy [although it’s true], I’d be very dead by now :o]

  347. @Franklin Ryckaert

    How do you explain the large number of Jewish camp survivors, if the Germans yanked all Jewish women and children off the train, into the ‘showers’ and into the ‘ovens?’

    Too many people lost their lives, during WWII. No doubt about it, but the laws of physics can’t be bent to fit a burgeoning narrative.

    I want to see facts and evidence, not raw emotions.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  348. John Wear says:
    @eah

    eah,

    You ask: “Do I speak/read German?”

    My response: No, I only speak English.

  349. eah says:
    @eah

    Of course that was not the end of Demjanjuk’s problems, but that’s another (very interesting and, re goings-on in Germany today, relevant) story.

    • Replies: @eah
  350. @Wally

    – They also say that the remains of “abducted” Jew are in precisely known locations.
    And of course there are no such remains.

    You keep on repeating this lie, even though you were proven to be dead wrong about Sobibor containing “nothing but 2 graves with 4-5 skeletons”. This is after you propagated another lie of the monument being placed upon the mass graves in their entirety, which neither Haimi nor Kola who dug Sobibor, have claimed. Despite being proven wrong you have no integrity nor honesty to admit it.

    You also did not respond to me mentioning earlier the Belzec camp in which excavation revealed no less than 33 mass graves full of ashes and human remains.

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or8-mass-graves-belzec/

    [MORE]

    Holocaust deniers claim:
    Excavations from 1997 to 2000, which located and mapped 33 mass graves at the Belzec death camp, revealed only traces of whole human remains. These traces are not evidence of mass murder, but are the result of death by disease and hardship while Jews were being deported farther east.

    The facts are:
    The results of two separate investigations, despite being 60 years apart, prove that there are more than “several hundred corpses” buried at Belzec. These investigations support the conclusion that some 450,000 Jewish men, women, and children were murdered and buried at Belzec.

    Furthermore :

    Grave 5 contains “pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further.” The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet deep).

    Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet deep). It contains “carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones.”

    Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

    Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains “burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters.” That is about 16 feet deep. No matter what Mattogno says, a 5 meter (16 feet) thick layer of ash is not a “thin layer.”

    The ashes and bone remnants are not just in the graves either. Kola’s team found ash and bone mixed with sand on the surface of the soil.[9]

    Just because you repeat a lie, doesn’t mean it’s true.

    Meanwhile, it is your narrative that lacks any proof Jews were exiled to an obscure location known as the “Russian East”, when there is no documentation neither to their departure, nor to their existence following to the departure and nor to their homecoming.

    It is your narrative, the Denial narrative, that lacks any kind of verifiable evidence, not the Holocaust.

  351. @Daniel Rich

    Returnees from Hungary after the war had no children among them nor elderly.

    Check it here.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/12/age-composition-of-hungarian-jewish.html

    [MORE]

    In 1945/46, the DEGOB staff had interviewed individuals and groups of Hungarian Jews, in total about 5000 people, who stayed or passed through Budapest. About 3000 of those had been previously deported to Auschwitz (this data has been also used in Knowledge of Mass Extermination Among Hungarian Jews Returning from Auschwitz).

    As can be seen, the decimated population pyramid of the Hungarian Jews has been chopped off below 14 years and above 50 years, which corresponds to the age groups usually considered unfit for work by the Germans SS doctors and officers at the ramp in Birkenau. There are only few exceptions, but even those can be well explained. The protocols of the interviews not only provide age and sex of the Auschwitz survivors, but also personal information and what happened to them after their arrival in the camp.

    Four of the returnees were less than 10 years old when brought to Auschwitz according to the DEGOB records. The youngest, C.E., was born in 1939 according to his DEGOB protocol. He arrived in Auschwitz on 18 May 1944 and was transported to the work camp Fünfteichen five days later, where “we worked daily, working time was 14 hours”. Hence, C.E. was selected as fit for work at the ramp in Birkenau and put to forced labour. The year of birth 1939 is likely a typo, like for 1929. This is also supported by his occupation “shoemaker’s apprentice” (cipésztanonc) given in the protocol. Likewise, the other three survivors below 10 years were selected as fit for work in Birkenau, either because they appeared mature already or slipped through the selection process, and were sent to forced labour camps (F.H. to Leonberg, B.B. to Groß-Rosen and B.L. to Monowitz). The same holds for the oldest survivor, F.S., who was brought to the V1 production site Thil despite his age of 68 years because he “looked not more than 40-45 years at that time”.

  352. @Wally

    Watching a Denier providing “evidence” is always amsuing.

    Let’s examine it.

    – INFLUX OF 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem, JUNE 24, 1946:
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2160

    Wow, a headline from a newspaper. No less.

    Any sources other than this headline showing about an influx of 3,000,000 into … Germany, I presume, out of context?
    I bet there are many records to no less of 3 million Jews rushing into Germany after the war.

    – WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191

    A quote from September 1945. Amazing. Must be a gross estimation as there is no chance that any person in the world would have the ability to calculate how many Polish Jews have remained in Europe only four months after the war.

    Next.

    – ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

    What is this Gibberish?

    Wally, you don’t provide evidence. The only thing you provide is

    1. Whataboutism
    2. Facts either distorted or taken out of context
    3. straightforward FAKE NEWS

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  353. @Carolyn Yeager

    I hope you understand that for such a scenario there should be as much solid proof as the revisionists demand of the “official” Holocaust story. Just naming a possibility is not enough.

    Besides, Stalin’s Gulags did not kill all, some did survive, such as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. But of the 100,000 Dutch Jews or the 400,000 Hungarian Jews supposedly send by the Nazis to work camps in Russia (where they were supposedly treated well, including those who couldn’t work!), and who were on liberation by the Russians supposedly send by Stalin to the Gulags, not a single one survived to tell his story. That stretches credibility.

    To bring things into perspective, let us compare a similar event that is not contested and of which survivors do exist. I mean the deportation of the Chechens and Ingush from their homelands in the Caucasus to Central Asisa. Stalin reacted with deportation after a Chechen insurgency. I quote from the Wikipedia article Deportation of Chechens and Ingush (bold by me):

    “…The deportation was prepared from at least October 1943 and 19,000 officers as well as 100,000 NKVD soldiers from all over the USSR participated in this operation. The deportation encompassed their entire nations, as well as the liquidation of the Checheno-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic…”

    “…The demographic consequences of this eviction were catastrophic and far reaching: of the 496,000 Chechens and Ingush who were deported, at least a quarter perished…”

    “…In total, the archive records show that over a hundred thousand people died or were killed during the round-ups and transportation, and during their early years in exile in the Kazakh and Kyrgyz SSR as well as Russian SFSR where they were sent to the many labor camps in the forced settlements…”

    “…The exile lasted for 13 years and the survivors would not return to their native lands until 1957, after the new Soviet authorities under Nikita Khrushchev reversed many of Stalin’s policies, including the deportations of nations.

    So we can learn from this that the Russians kept records of the whole operation, knew how many officers and soldiers were involved, that a quarter of the Chechens perished (and thus that 3/4 survived!), that they were sent into labor camps and finally that Khrushchev reversed Stalin’s policy and let the survivors return to their homelands.

    Why not a similar scenario for the Jews? Why of the Chechens, who aroused Stalin’s wrath by rebelling, 3/4 survived while of the Jews, who were only victims of a deportation by the Nazis, nobody survived?

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  354. @Iron Lion Zion

    QUOTE Grave 5 contains “pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further.” The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet deep). END QUOTE

    Jews are truly remarkable people. Not only do they burst into flames and burn on their own once lit, their burnt bones turn into something akin to diamonds, so hard that not even a drill designed to cut through rock can penetrate them.

    How did the Germans manage to kill even one of these miraculous creatures?

  355. @Germanicus

    I do not belong to “us the Jews” and I know little about the Dutch euthanasia program though I have heard some rumors about misuse.

    Nevertheless it is another subject, not related to the debate at hand.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  356. eugyppius says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Just briefly as to the the carbon copy of Franke-Gricksch (BArch R 187/539, p. 24-25):

    The Lipman copy called itself an excerpt from a longer report by Franke-Gricksch (“Part of a report…”). So Lipman claimed that this came from Franke-Griksch’s longer discussion. Also at the top of the Lipman copy is the date: “4 to 16 May 1943”. This is the Lipman Excerpt.

    An 11-page Franke-Gricksch report from precisely the same dates, namely 4 to 16 May, also survives at least in English translation. Call it the Longer Report (EN: but it derives from a hypothetical German version, DE). It even has a section on Auschwitz, but this section has nothing to do with the Lipman Excerpt. (The translation may not be complete and it claims only to be from the “relevant parts” of the Franke-Gricksch report, but one would imagine precisely material on homicidal activities at Auschwitz would have interested the allies.)

    So already there is a problem: The Lipman Excerpt with the incriminating description of Auschwitz claims to come from the Franke-Gritschk report, but the Longer Report (EN) does not have anything like the Lipman Excerpt.

    Was the Longer Report (DE) really the source for Lipman’s excerpt at all? Or did Lipman make a mistake?

    If Lipman was right, we would expect the carbon from the original typescript to provide the Lipman Excerpt in the context of the Longer Report (DE). But that is not at all what it is. Instead, the archival carbon presents the Lipman Excerpt precisely, as an anonymous and undated description. Its second page is even numbered 2. Nothing suggests that this is part of a larger report. Also the carbon has neither name nor date. It doesn’t claim to be by Franke-Gricksch. It doesn’t claim to date from May 1943. That is very odd.

    So while I accept that the Holocaust happened, the archival carbon actually doesn’t seem to do much for this piece of evidence. Because what we are left with is an anonymous undated description of happenings at Auschwitz, with Lipman again our only source for placing this report at Auschwitz in 1943. If you accept the typewriter evidence then you can perhaps posit that this particular copy of the Lipman Excerpt was typed at some point by a machine in the SS-Personalhauptamt, but even that would seem to require a larger survey of typescripts in SS documents and is uncertain.

    The HC people of course are aware of this problem. Hans Metzner this to say in comments to this post (http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html):

    …Lipman most likely learnt about date of the trip and author from the long trip report, i.e. both documents were originally found in the same file. The reports – or at least one set of carbons, in case there were more than one – had been separated …

    Metzner also talks about a “gap” in the description of Auschwitz in the Longer Report (EN) and says that the sensitive material represented by the Lipman Excerpt was an appendix. But that is just speculation and if you read the Longer Report (EN), you will see that the Auschwitz description is cohesive account of inmates, future plans, and the surroundings.

    But there is a further problem with Metzner’s theory of a divided report. There were supposedly multiple carbons of the Lipman Excerpt, which means there ought to be multiple carbons of the Longer Report (DE). One of these carbons might have been split up, but would they all have been? According to Gerald Fleming (Hitler and the Final Solution, p. 143), there were three carbons of the Lipman Excerpt, one in his personal possession. So the archival copy discussed at HC plus the copy Fleming had is two of the total. And if Lipman’s source is not one of these two, we are at three. So if we believe everybody here, that gives us two or three carbons of the Lipman Excerpt, all of them split from the Longer Report (DE) in precisely the same way, with the Longer Report (DE) missing in every instance.

    Is that probable?

    So to sumarize: Lipman alone associates this description with Franke-Gritschk’s report. Lipman alone says it comes from 4 to 16 May 1943. An English translation of Franke-Griksch’s report, meanwhile, has a section on Auschwitz but none of this material at all.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  357. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Nevertheless it is another subject, not related to the debate at hand.

    Still quite meek, aren’t you?

    It is absolutely relevant to the topic, how the holocaustians are professionally outraged about some German policies 80 years ago, while deliberately ignoring what is going on in front of their very eyes. As said, you are big times hypocrite and cheap propagandist, who squeezes 6 million times the slur "nazi" in every sentence that is burped in the room.

    I would expect from you to be professionally outraged about the Dutch Euthanasia program, with tons of shill on forums, protests in the streets and all the stuff you people do.
    But no surprise here, it is a non issue for you guys.

  358. @John Arthur

    Now if the Holocaust was not has horrible as advertised, and if the numbers are totally bogus, then either the Pre-Holocaust Jewish population estimates are fake, or the Post-Holocause Jewish population estimates are fake, or all the data is fake.

    The answer is as simple as looking up the jewish world Almanac numbers they give in 1939 and 1945, and 1948.

    From 1939-1945, these number give you about 5500 Jews net increase, the 6 Million nonsense starts to appear in 1948 (again), so after the Allied IMT show trials, which were a continuation of the allied war efforts, according to their IMT statutes.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  359. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Impressive comment.
    Well done.
    You address this manner correctly.

    Deniers have *zero* proofs to their “millions departed eastward” narrative. Nothing. Nada.

    The amount of evidence Deniers ask of themselves? None. As shown above, Wally believes a newspaper headline is enough to prove influx of 3 million into post-war Germany.

    While on Sobibor nothing will satisfy Wally in his ilk but 250,000 bone fragments backed by 250,000 DNA tests ! Impossible level of proof by any standard of court.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  360. @Colin Wright

    I think your reasoning is mistaken. Either way, however, the German figures don’t support anything close to the inflated 3 million story either. Nor is there (AFAIK) any hint in German documents that the high mortality that did occur was intentional. As noted, at the latest as of September 1941 there was a standing Fuehrer Directive precisely to the opposite effect, stressing that Soviet EPWs were to be kept in good condition so as to be fit for work.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  361. @eugyppius

    I see what you’re saying.
    Your point is that the association of this document with Franke-Gricksch is not fully established.
    However, the typewriter evidence is pretty convincing. There is a good ground to assume Lipmann was correct.
    However, that requires further investigation. I agree.

  362. @Robert Dolan

    I think this is the more recent view of “Holocaust denier” David Irving. It’s been a while since I watched this video but I think this is the one where he discusses Operation Reinhard and the policy of killing “partisans” in large numbers as the army advanced through eastern Europe, where many Jews resided. While refusing to verify the gas chamber story he does piece together a narrative in which possibly millions of Jews are killed by the Germans.

    It’s possible Irving’s current view is simply an attempt to keep out of jail in his twilight years, but you can listen to the talk and decide for yourself.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  363. @Germanicus

    What makes you think the authors of a certain encyclopedia had any grasp of actual Jewish population in 1945, right after the war? How could they possibly measure any data about European Jewish population where the continent is decimated and full of refugees?

    This is again, another “superb” piece of “evidence” by deniers.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  364. Blankaerd says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    The omission from Eisenhower can easily be explained, because he must have known about the psychological operations / sykewarfare that was tasked with creating atrocity propaganda to greatly influence the public perception of nazi-Germany. The entire display of shrunken heads and lampshades at Buchenwald, for example, was a planned and carefully orchestrated operation that was possibly already in action before the concentration camp of Buchenwald was even liberated. The shrunken heads were taken from museums in other areas of Germany and they were never found again after the dubious set-up was displayed to German citizens, in addition the so called lampshades made from human skin were actually found to have been made from goatskin.

    So the omission from Eisenhower wasn’t because he really feared jewish reprisals. I mean, this is the man who forced Israel to step down in their war against Egypt, and pretty much sealed the fate of the British Empire. No, he carefully omitted mention of any genocide probably because he himself was involved in the creation of the atrocity propaganda, or at least must have been aware of the workings of the psychological operations / psyche warfare. If he had openly talked about the atrocities and Buchenwald, people may have connected the shrunken heads and lampshades story back to him, and that may have deeply affected his public position if it was found that the atrocities and displays rested on lies and manipulative data. That explains why he mentioned it only in a very broad sense and never really went into any details.

    I really recommend you watching any video by Dean Irebodd, but concerning the Psychological Operations you may want to specifically watch ‘Buchenwald – A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil‘ You can find the documentary here: https://mk.christogenea.org/video/buchenwald-expose

    It used to have hundreds of thousands of views on youtube, but it was taken from the website some ten years ago after a major purge of any holocaust-skeptic material. If you are short on time, please watch part 7 onwards, at least until 19, but really, watch it in its entirety. If you want and can, please bring this documentary to public attention. Another good documentary by Dean Irebodd is One Third of The Holocaust

  365. @Iron Lion Zion

    What makes you think the authors of a certain encyclopedia had any grasp of actual Jewish population in 1945, right after the war?

    Are you saying your jewish scribes had no clue about the jewish world population?
    5544 Jews more in 1945 than in 1939, these are your freaking numbers.

    I cannot deny something that did not happen, “denier” is a weaponized moronic word used by the liars. The CO2 mafia also use “denier”, same source of lies..

    Can you please tell me, why your religious dogma of lies require the protection of law?
    A toddler could figure out why this is required.
    Your kangaroo courts refuse to define “holocaust” btw, despite imprisoning people who allegedly deny this undefined event.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  366. @Wally

    “…That’s classic unhinged “holocaust” logic. LOL

    – It is your Jews and their profitable “Holocaust Industry” who say that “abducted Jews” went to immense mass graves. They say that is what “happened to the “abducted Jews”…”

    Yes, I know that. But I now follow the reasoning of the revisionists, and then asking “What happened to the Jews who were sent to work camps in the East?” makes sense.

    “…It was in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering “survivors” testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said absurd “testimonies” on video…”

    I do not understand why you keep on using that as an argument. Jews living in 60 different countries, what is that supposed to prove or disprove? Jews are a kind of “nomadic” people. They live in many countries all over the world (see : Wikipedia, Jewish Population by Country). Jewish survivors of WW II would have emigrated to many other countries besides the US or Israel. This fact would only be significant if you could prove that the total number of such emigrants equals the total number of the supposed victims of the Holocaust, otherwise it is meaningless.

    Your other arguments have already been dealt with by Iron Lion Zion.

    • Replies: @Wally
  367. @John Regan

    ‘I think your reasoning is mistaken….Nor is there (AFAIK) any hint in German documents that the high mortality that did occur was intentional…’

    You keep appearing to not have read what I wrote. You say ‘you think my reasoning is mistaken’ — but don’t say how. Then my whole point was that the the massive death toll indeed wasn’t intentional. Rather, it was a consequence of the fact that when the situation arose, the Germans weren’t moved to do anything about it.

  368. @Germanicus

    You people gotta STOP with attributing magical powers to Jews.

    We’re talking here of an American encyclopedia. No more.

    As if the authors of this encyclopedia had some kind of Jewish witchcraft that enabled them to trace and count every heartbeat of a Kosher heart around the globe in every given moment of time. Then they were sampling it every year and write it down in the encyclopedia.

    No !

    The data in this kind of book is usually based on previous publications. You don’t sample the whole planet each and every year. You re-compile past data and had an additional growth factor.

    It is more than obvious this American encyclopedia team had no access to the number of Jews in Europe during war time, nor did they have access to any official information about how many Jews were killed.

    It is more than plain obvious that only when the actual information about the Holocaust became more verifiable and well known, let’s say a few years after the war (1948 in our case) than it get inserted into literature and the like.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Flint Clint
  369. @jack daniels

    ‘… It’s possible Irving’s current view is simply an attempt to keep out of jail in his twilight years, but you can listen to the talk and decide for yourself.’

    It’s ironic, but I think Irving is exactly like most good historians.

    He works with the facts as they become established. Naturally, he tries to fit them into the over-arching scheme he prefers — they all do that — but he respects the actual facts.

    It’s just that unlike the overarching scheme of, say, Richard Evans, David Irving’s overarching scheme runs counter to the establishment’s preferences.

    • Replies: @Wally
  370. refl says:
    @John Arthur

    But it seems to me that some great tragedy did occur, even if it may not have been as big as many claim.
    In addition, people were claiming the 6 million figure as back as the 50s and 60s itself.

    The 6M figure has been there since the mid 19th century.
    Myself, I have little idea as to say what exactly happened. As no honest public discussion is possible for now, I have to stick to the facts that are to me beyond doubt and that tell me that the official narrative cannot be right:
    – There are huge discrepancies in the calculation of death tolls of all groups of victims in World War II, except for the jewish victims, where no historian who wants to keep his reputation will go far beneath the 6 million. It is the only case that I know of,where the number is obviously symbolic.
    – The issue is of tremendous symbolic rekevance today. The narrative surves a purpose that cannot be in the sense of the real victims of the war, or any victim of violent state policy anywhere, for that matter. Therefore, the narrative has to be corrected in the best interest of humanity today.
    – Any evidence, that would put antisemitism in the Nazi era into context and might give only a hint of an explanation, has been erased from mainsteam memory. I did not know, and also a number of educated friends that I could ask, did not know about the context of the Balfour declaration, as it was exposed at Versailles, and neither did I know about the 1933 declaration of war by a certain New York jewry against Germany. That such things are erased from memory states clearly, that the official narrative stands on weak grounds.

  371. Ron Unz says:

    Given all the discussion of the fate of the Jews sent East to the “Aktion Reinhardt” camps, John Wear has just sent me his own past analysis of that subject, which I’ve published and link below:

    https://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  372. @Ron Unz

    From the article :

    Forensic evidence indicates that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were not extermination camps. A detailed forensic examination at the Treblinka camp using sophisticated electronic ground radar found no evidence of mass graves. An Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination at the site of the Treblinka camp. Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists and police. GPR detects any major disturbances in the soil to a normal effective depth of four or five meters.

    For six days in October 1999 the team carefully examined the entire Treblinka site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil samples. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, the team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes or wood ashes. Richard Krege concludes from his examination of the site that Treblinka was never an extermination camp.[14]

    Hilarious seeing this stunt is still kicking.

    The Krege report doesn’t exist.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#science

    Short debunking: the Krege report does not exist. It’s a dud. Fail. The claims about the cyanide residue are just false.

    Further comments: Richard Krege promised to publish a ground penetrating radar study of Treblinka. The promised report has never materialized. Krege has become an embarrassment for denial, so it’s funny how his non-existent research is touted here. Twitter deniers are the most ignorant, dumb deniers.

    The claims about no cyanide residue having been found or results withheld are a lie.

    Markiewicz et al. have tested the gas chamber walls and have found the cyanide residues, the results have been published.

    Furthermore :

    In regard to excavations at Sobibor, Thomas Kues states:

    In an article published in The Scotsman on November 26, 2001, we read that Polish archaeologist A. Kola and his team had discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor site…Despite seven years having passed since the drilling and diggings were reportedly made, not a single article, paper or scientific report has appeared on them, neither in English, Polish, nor in any other language.[15]

    No articles, papers or scientific reports have been published because A. Kola and his team had nothing to report that would benefit the claim that Sobibor was an extermination camp.

    Irrelevant, due to Haimi’s finding of 2013, 2015, etc, which I demonstrated earlier.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  373. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    said:
    “He works with the facts as they become established. Naturally, he tries to fit them into the over-arching scheme he prefers — they all do that — but he respects the actual facts.”

    – No Irving does respect the facts in the case of the so called “holocaust”.

    – I challenge you to tell us what “facts” you feel he “respects”. Stop dodging.

    – Irving is now trying to play ‘holocaust-lite’ after being released from jail for a conviction of Thought Crimes bu Austria early.
    recommended:
    Irving’s ‘holocaust’ lite / but what ’2.4 million document’?: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548
    and :
    ‘Irving attempts ‘rehabilitation’ via the Hoefle Telegram’ :
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558
    and:
    Grubach’s Open Letter to David Irving on his recent change of mind about the “Holocaust”: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  374. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Why do you keep dodging may challenges to you to show us the alleged millions upon millions of human remains claimed to exist in known locations?

    You weakly dodge and then distract with in consequential minutiae.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  375. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    “Yes, I know that. But I now follow the reasoning of the revisionists, and then asking “What happened to the Jews who were sent to work camps in the East?” makes sense.”

    Dodging again we see.
    – What “reasoning” is that? If what you fantasize was factual you would be able to point us to the millions of human remains as alleged.

    said:
    “I do not understand why you keep on using that as an argument. Jews living in 60 different countries, what is that supposed to prove or disprove? Jews are a kind of “nomadic” people. They live in many countries all over the world (see : Wikipedia, Jewish Population by Country). Jewish survivors of WW II would have emigrated to many other countries besides the US or Israel. This fact would only be significant if you could prove that the total number of such emigrants equals the total number of the supposed victims of the Holocaust, otherwise it is meaningless.
    Your other arguments have already been dealt with by Iron Lion Zion.”

    – You really are just another stupid Zionist. The fake “holocaust” narrative says that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jews they could get their hands on’, yet we have countless Jews all over the world who the Germans had ‘their hands on’ touting themselves as “survivors” for cash & recognition.

    – I have nothing to “prove” since it is you and your “Holocaust Industry” that claim that Jew went to enormous mass graves, which you cannot show us.

    Iron Lion Zion has been made a fool of, like you.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  376. @anonymous

    Thanks I appreciate your response. It shows the power of reason.
    Also, this Colin guy says he believes the chosenite’s 911 bullshit story. On some subjects he seems reasonable but because of these 2 positions; the holohoax and 911 I’m inclined to believe he’s what I would call a sleeper hasbarat.

  377. @Wally

    You were already referred to two sets of excavations in Belzec camp, which revealed 33 mass graves in large sizes, containing human ashes and human remains. You ignored them, because they don’t fit the narrative you’re clinging into.

    You were also tackled on the Sobibor issue. Twice. Once, by being showed that you made-up a fabrication of the monument being placed upon the mass graves in their entirety. Second, by being proven that the excavations by Haimi unearthed more than “2 graves with 4 to 5 skeletons”. You specifically asked for a picture of the grave containing thousands of bone fragments unearthed by Haimi. You doubted it exists. I proved to you it exists by providing you a picture of it, produced out of a Haimi’s lecture video on Youtube. You linked me to a Codoh article, claiming it is dealing with the Haimi’s lecture video, but it did not. It was some typical Codoh rambling about an article dealing with Haimi’s finidng. Not a word about the specific grave containing thousands of bone fragments.

    Let’s add the recently discovered mass grave in Belarus, beneath a construction site :

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-massgrave-burial/belarus-reburies-over-1200-jews-unearthed-in-nazi-era-mass-grave-idUSKCN1ST1L7

    BREST, Belarus (Reuters) – Belarus on Wednesday buried more than 1,200 Jewish Holocaust victims whose remains were unearthed this year after builders stumbled across a Nazi-era mass grave beneath a construction site in a residential area.

    What would be your line of defense, I wonder? “But how can you know it’s Jews … ?!?!”

    That would be funny coming from a guy whose evidence for a 3 million Jews influx into a post-war Germany is coming from a single newspaper headline, backed by no other sources.

    I’ll also add this video of a mass grave from Ukraine in 1943 :

    Mass grave can be seen at the 3:39 mark

    As for other mass graves, they were never examined or unearthed, so your demand is strange. Maybe you can try and do it yourself, however. Book a flight to Europe and pick up a shovel.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Theodore
    , @Theodore
  378. @Wally

    – You really are just another stupid Zionist. The fake “holocaust” narrative says that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jews they could get their hands on’, yet we have countless Jews all over the world who the Germans had ‘their hands on’ touting themselves as “survivors” for cash & recognition.

    An amazing insight into Denier logic, or might I say, a lack of logic.

    Using this logic, I can safely conclude no person ever died of any car accident.
    Why, there are many people who survived car accidents all over the world !
    I bet I can find 60 countries that house people who survived car accidents.

    Therefore it’s safe and sound to conclude no person ever died in a car accident, or maybe even that car accidents don’t even happen.

    Another fabrication here by Wally is this : “The fake “holocaust” narrative says that ‘the Germans tried to kill every Jews they could get their hands on’”

    False.

    The Nazi extermination plan was built throughout the war, starting with placing the Jews into Ghetto, moving to shooting Jews sporadically in the East, and then building-up into gas vans and from there into camps with gas chambers, ending up with Zyklon-B with Auschwitz.

    And even then the Nazis killed mostly the Jews unfit to work.

    So what you say is devoid of logic, and clearly false.

  379. @Wally

    Stop linking to this Hannover guy from Codoh as if anything he says makes any sense.

    What Irving is focusing here is the combination of the Hofle Telegram and the Korherr Report, both of which containing the *exact* figure of *1274166* Jews sent to the camps in General Government.

    In Korherr it’s the number of Jews sent to the magical place of the “Russian East”.
    In Hofle it’s the number of Jews who got into the camps.

    Combining this together means that each and every single Jew who went into the camps also went outside the camps, on their way to the magical destination known as the “Russian East”, deniers never managed to find to this very day.

    Not a single Jew left behind, not a single Jew died on these camps (despite deniers saying these camps contain graveyards).

    Now that’s faulty, isn’t it?

    Or maybe Korherr and Hofle speak of something else?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Theodore
  380. @Iron Lion Zion

    I suppose to call a holocaust religious maniac a liar would be redundant. But in this case, in defense of our host Ron Unz I’ll simply point out that even professional HolyCo$t preistess Debbie Lipstadt agrees that Richard Krege did in fact use a GPS system to examine the grounds at Treblinka, although she disputes the results. And you can find a photo of Krege at Treblinka in the article below.

    I have personally witnessed GPR machines used by qualified operators when searching for gravel deposits on the farm. And I can state with authority that they do EXACTLY as advertised, and if there were any of these magic graves at Treblinka, they would be there now.

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or7-krege-investigation/#_edn2

    https://codoh.com/library/document/6411/?lang=en

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  381. @Iron Lion Zion

    Not a single Jew left behind, not a single Jew died on these camps (despite deniers saying these camps contain graveyards).

    Of course Jews died in camps, from Typhus and natural deaths in high age, as the Auschwitz death records revealed the Russians returned after the collapse of the Soviet Union. There were also Jews giving birth to newborn in the camps, hence the camps had hospitals among other facilities, such as a football field and a swimming pool, a theater, a brothel, factories, a school, a nursery, and toot toot, camp money.

  382. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    So there is no reason in the world for anyone to be sent East? Nobody was going to, for instance, there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan
    Look at the map, practically at the Chinese border.

    Which reminds me, long time ago I read that many Jews went through China and via Hong Kong came back.
    That needs to be looked into.

    The same as the number of survivors collecting reparations.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  383. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    So how was it that Otto Frank survived, especially survived hospital treatment.

    Which reminds me: In the seventies at a holocaust seminar for teachers, one of the speakers was a survivor of Auschwitz. He was on the small and skinny side. Not someone who could do much by way of work.
    I asked him and he said he was fourteen when liberated. He spent a couple of years there and must have been 12 maybe when he arrived. I asked him why he was not terminated. He said Germany had this apprentice program to teach young people a trade…. I was new to the subject and very nervous, considering my German accent. So did not ask further.
    What trade was he taught at Auschwitz? And an apprenticeship is started at age 14-15. Nobody expects much of 12 year old children. Especially small scrawny ones. So they fed him for two years for what?

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  384. @Genrick Yagoda

    This is not the Krege report.
    This is an article, claiming the Krege report exists, but not providing the report itself.
    Actually, I won’t even call it an article, but a bedtime story.

    I quote :

    Impressed by the inhumane and superhuman feat accomplished by the SS, a small group of Australians travelled to Treblinka in October 1999. Along with them they took a GPR device (Ground Penetrating Radar) and an auger drill, which is a hollow pipe used to take core samples of the soil up to 6 m deep.

    Wow, nice scientific language for a scientific report, isn’t it?

    Where is the actual report?

    All that is provided is that picture

    Which was already available from years ago. This is the only thing available from the so-called Krege Report.

    And that picture says absolutely nothing. Is it encircling the entire perimeter of the camp? What do the colors say?

    This is not evidence.
    There is no Krege report.

  385. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    >>> in his ilk but 250,000 bone fragments backed by 250,000 DNA tests ! Impossible level of proof by any standard of court.<<<

    Jumping to conclusions, huh?
    How about measured in cubic yards with random sample DNA testing? That would work great.

    One stipulation. Neutral investigations. Why should I trust you?

  386. @anonymous

    What are you claiming, that the Nazis sent the Jews eastwards, hopefully that the Soviets will deliver them all the way to Birobidzhan?

    I don’t really understand your point.

    The point here is that deniers never managed to prove the existence of a “Russian East” to which, allegedly, millions of Jews were transported from the Reinhard Actions camps.

    Remember, Korherr Report produces a figure of about 1.8 million such deportees up to the end of 1942.

    If you count 1943 as well, you got over 2 million Jews allegedly, being sent to an unknown location in Russia. This is while Germany actually fought Russia.

    Does this make sense?
    Why didn’t the Russians stopped the Jews at the frontline, ordered them to turn back? Why did they simply fulfilled the German wishes, absorbing the Jews (and then simply making them vanish, according to what deniers tell us).
    Why did massive refugee camps of Jews were not formed along the frontline? We’re talking about more than 2 million people here. There is no documentation or evidence for such camps whatsoever. Not by the Germans and not by the Russians.
    Actually deniers never managed to find a *single* person who went through the Reinhard Operation camps and ended up in Russia.

  387. @anonymous

    Not only that, neither Elie Weisel or his elderly poppa could perform any work, and both were not snuffed, but instead treated in the camp hospital. Just before the evacuation of Bullschwitz, the Weasel and his poppa were offered a choice of waiting for their Russian liberators warm and dry in the hospital, or retreating in the middle of the night, in the middle of winter, in the middle of a snowstorm with the same Germans who had supposedly just finished trying to holocaust them……….and the Weasels CHOSE to leave with the Germans!!!!!!!!!

    That is some credible story, isn’t it? It seems that Sgt Schultz and Colonel Klink were the best the Germans had when it came to holocausting Jews.

  388. @Iron Lion Zion

    It is a much a report as your nutty video in Hebrew.

    The point is that Krege was there, he used GPR, and the image results speak for themselves. How about if you show me the GPR results the Jews took, instead of pictures of some grass?

    You religious maniacs are the worst. Hitler was perfectly correct about you when he wrote

    QUOTE The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn’t help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn’t remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

    Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. END QUOTE

    Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  389. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Considering Euthanasia:
    I personally knew two insane women who were bothered by no one and who survived the war and everything connected with it.
    Though quite loony, they were able to do a share of simple farm work, like hoeing potatoes, harvesting turnips, carrying water.
    But somebody with a pumpkin sized water head was taken from his family who took care of him, and soon after ‘died’ in the institution.

  390. @Iron Lion Zion

    QUOTE And that picture says absolutely nothing. Is it encircling the entire perimeter of the camp? What do the colors say? END QUOTE

    Hardehar!

    Do you really think other people reading this exchange do not understand the depth indicators clearly shown on the right hand side of the GPR image?

    Either you think the people reading this are stupid, or you are.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  391. @Genrick Yagoda

    Since Krege never published his report, all we left is with this colorful picture.
    The article you linked is actually extremely bizarre. Krege writing an article about his own self, NOT publishing his alleged report. The headline of the article is “The 1999 Krege Report on the Treblinka Extermination Camp” but there is no actual report. Just this picture. Epic fail.

    As for the picture.
    Honestly?
    Nothing links this picture to Treblinka. Krege could have taken it in his back yard.
    Or maybe it covers a small portion of Treblinka that contains no graves.
    We could never know, because Krege never published his report, and probably never will.

    • Replies: @Wally
  392. eah says:
    @eah

    Since the evidence for the ‘Holocaust’ is supposedly rock solid, why put an aged woman in prison? — why not just present the evidence to all of us in order to counter whatever she says? — ought to be easy, right?

  393. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    – We’ve already demolished shyster Zionist Haimi, which Zionist Iron Lion Zion predictably ignored. LOL One can simply scan this thread with key word Haimi and see.

    Here we go:
    The 1999 Krege Report on the Treblinka “Extermination” Camp, By Richard Krege : https://codoh.com/library/document/6411/?lang=en
    ex.:

    “Engineer Richard Krege at work with his ground-penetrating radar equipment on the territory of the former Treblinka camp”

    results:
    Almost all of the ground consists of undisturbed soil, sand and rocks.

    Of course Zionists could do their own GPR work and then show us the results.
    But then they did try staging a search which utterly debunked their own claims and showed how fraudulent they are:
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax:

    [MORE]




    more: “Treblinka Archaeology Hoax” Video / READY TO VIEW:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8579

    photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.

    It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.

    Sites Where Excavations Are Physically Obstructed, Blocked: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9171
    Only liars make such efforts.

    Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis
    https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
    , @Jeffw
  394. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    See my comment #398.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  395. @eah

    The younger girl in the picture in your twit is not Ursula Haverbeck, but Prussica Imperatrix, a Nazi cosplay girl.

    This is embarrassing.

    • Replies: @eah
  396. @Genrick Yagoda

    Any sound reader of this conversation would conclude that deniers don’t pose any level of credibility of their own evidence while posing impossible unrealistic demands for Holocaust evidence.

    And despite of that, they still fail.

    BTW, you seriously compared a 1 hour long video lecture by Haimi to a single colorful picture, allegedly taken by Krege, allegedly produced in Treblinka, allegedly covering relevant areas within the camp.

    Do you have a 1 hour long video lecture by Krege telling about his report?
    I think not.
    Because there is no Krege Report, and therefore there are no lectures about the Krege Report.

  397. @eah

    When you ask them for the evidence, they do the same thing that Lion of Zion does—show you a picture of some grass, and claim the grass is green because of the dead jews beneath the surface.

    And then scream at you if you don’t accept this as powerful evidence.

    • Agree: eah
  398. @Iron Lion Zion

    WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191

    A quote from September 1945. Amazing. Must be a gross estimation as there is no chance that any person in the world would have the ability to calculate how many Polish Jews have remained in Europe only four months after the war.

    Are you implying that Rabbi Stephen Wise did not have access to good information, or that he would lie, IronLyinZion?
    As the CODOH link notes, the source for the information is Rabbi Wise’s personal letters, edited by his son, James Waterman Wise, and his daughter, Justine (“Pussy”) Wise Polier. Are they not to be trusted?

    Let’s put the rabbi to the test.

    ~~ In the first weeks of February, 1933, when Louis Brandeis directed that “All German Jews must leave Germany,” Rabbi Wise responded, “All 587,000 German Jews?”

    Where did Wise get that number — not “580,000,” not “600,000” but “587,000” and German Jews — there were far more Jews than “587,000” in Germany at the time — perhaps as many as 2 million; that’s part of the Herschel Grynszpan story, but we won’t unpack that baggage just now; we’re concentrating on the numbers that Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded in his own autobiography about the number of German Jews in Germany in Feb. 1933.
    Do you think he pulled the number out of thin air?
    Was Rabbi Stephen Wise lying?

    ~~ In November, 1942

    “A turning point in Henry Morgenthau Jr.’s relationship with the Jewish community came , when Rabbi Stephen Wise came to [Morgenthau’s] office to tell [him] what was happening in Europe. Morgenthau knew of the millions of deaths and the lampshades made from victims’ skin, and he asked Wise not to go into excessive details. But Wise went on to tell of the barbarity of the Nazis, how they were making soap out of Jewish flesh.
    Morgenthau, turning pale, implored him, “Please, Stephen, don’t give me the gory details.”

    Wise went on with his list of horrors and Morgenthau repeated his pleas again and again. Henrietta Klotz [Morgenthau’s long-time secretary] was afraid her boss would keel over. Morgenthau later said the meeting changed his life.” [Moreira, p. 197, quoting from Henry Morgenthau III, Mostly Morgenthau: A Family History, 1991, p. 323

    First of all, are you willing to concede that the rabbi’s statements carried some weight in the “life” and, presumably, policy actions of a person who was extremely close to the center of power in the US administration? After all, Morgenthau said, “My relationship with the Jewish people came to a turning point,” and the information “changed my life.” And Morgenthau himself asserts numerous times in his diaries that no one was closer to FDR than he was — they talked daily, either in person or by phone.

    Was Rabbi Stephen Wise lying when he told Morgenthau those things that “changed his life”?

    ~~On August 29, 1942, Gerhart Riegner was directed to forward a telegram composed by World Jewish Congress [WJC] representative in England, Samuel Sydney Silverman, to Rabbi Stephen Wise, informing him of reports than several other layers of Jewish agents as well as government leaders had rejected.
    Riegner had been hired by the head of the WJC, Nahum Goldman, to “collect intelligence through Jewish underground networks and distribute financial and material relief through these channels.” https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-riegner-telegram

    What is the relationship of Goldman to Rabbi Wise?
    “In 1918, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, and others formed the American Jewish Congress. . . . In 1936 the American Jewish Congress was instrumental in establishing the World Jewish Congress (WJC). Maintaining his position as president of the American Jewish Congress, Rabbi Wise was also elected president of the WJC.” The same source reports that Wise was in close communication with the Franklin Roosevelt and Truman administrations during and after the war, representing Jewish interests.
    In other words, WJC and Rabbi Stephen Wise represent themselves as pretty tightly plugged into information sources in Europe and USA.

    Here’s a slightly expanded version of Wise’s statement in a letter to John Haynes Holmes from New York in 1945:

    “After 6,000,000 of my people have been slain, one and a quarter to one and a half million remain homeless on the European continent, afraid to return to Poland for they rightly dread pogroms, with only one place to go — Palestine.”

    Was Rabbi Stephen Wise lying when he said that “1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII”?

    Does your declamation, “Amazing. Must be a gross estimation as there is no chance that any person in the world would have the ability to calculate how many . . . ‘of my people have been slain’ ” apply to Wise’s 6,000,000 number?

    If a zio-sayanim like you can’t tell when Rabbi Wise is lying and when he is not, how is a rational person to know?


    Note to Wally: the CODOH conversation referred to “Robinson” as providing the number. Do you know who that is?

  399. The ‘green grass’ picture would have been pointless and meaningless without the map produced by Haimi, which overlaps the green areas.

    It’s called convergence of evidence.

    Not a thing Deniers excel at.

    And of course, I have actually showed a grave full of crushed and charred bones Haimi unearthed there.

    It’s not just the green grass.

    In contrary to Krege.
    Who only got a colorful picture.
    Which converges with nothing.

    • Replies: @Wally
  400. eah says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    The younger girl in the picture in your twit is not Ursula Haverbeck

    I didn’t say it was, and in fact assumed/knew it was not — it does not look at all like a period foto — but I posted the tweet anyway to highlight the plight of poor Ursula Haverbeck (seen on the right), who is imprisoned by our moral betters the ‘exterminationists’ (you did not address that part at all), and will spend her 91st Geburtstag behind bars.

    So the tweet is part meme.

    You fucking moron.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  401. @Wally

    Wally, has there ever been a “survivor” who actually claimed he had seen a blueish colored “smurf” corpse? I am not aware of any.

  402. @Wally

    You claim Haimi being “demolished”.
    It’s actually the other way around.
    You put his findings into question, and I proved you how wrong you are by showing you the many bone fragments he found.
    Your “4-5 skeletons” theory went down the drain.
    It’s more dead than Hitler.

    Moving on.

    You literally linked to the exact Codoh article about the Krege Report just like Yagoda did.
    I already addressed this.
    In contrary to what the title suggests, this “article” does not contain any kind of a scientific report.
    It’s Krege, recollecting his memories, not producing a scientific report whatsoever.

    Extremely weird.

    Moving on.

    You claim that the 1945 Treblinka excavations showed no corpses.

    What are these then?

    [MORE]

    And also

    Don’t tell me that you were not aware of these pictures, because you did.

    You chose to spread fake news again.

    Sad !

    • Replies: @Wally
  403. @eah

    Never had I stated that it was you claiming the younger girl is Ursula Haverbeck. I stated that your twit suggested it.

    Pointing out where Deniers are wrong is always fun and easy.

    As for Ursula Haverbeck, I guess she was aware to the law. Why did she choose to spread lies just to get into prison? Weird woman.

  404. @SolontoCroesus

    You’re trying too hard.

    September 1945. Four months after the war. Not a person on Earth, not even the US president himself, could have collected good piece of information about the number of surviving living Polish Jews, or Jews of any nationality, for the sake of argument.
    We also don’t have any indication that by that time the death toll of 90% of Polish Jews was fully established.

    Was Rabbi Stephen Wise lying when he said that “1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII”?

    Probably not. He probably provided a gross estimation, based on knowledge he has acquired throughout the war. This knowledge does not have to be precise or consistent. We’re talking about a statement by a single person.

    Does your declamation, “Amazing. Must be a gross estimation as there is no chance that any person in the world would have the ability to calculate how many . . . ‘of my people have been slain’ ” apply to Wise’s 6,000,000 number?

    Given the that 6 million estimations already began to emerge towards the end of the war, I’d say that he is simply quoting it. Notice that here he is not giving an estimation, in contrary to “125k – 150k”.

    As for the 587k figure from 1933. It’s pretty obvious. He was simply aware to this figure out of his personal knowledge. Was he correct, by the way? Was it really 587k in 1933?
    However, given that he knew the number of Jewish-German population in 1933 during normal times doesn’t mean he would have to know the population of surviving Polish-Jews following 6 years of one of the most chaotic and devastating wars mankind has ever known, in which information is not easily available.

    Pretty obvious you have no ‘case’ here.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  405. @SolontoCroesus

    Ok. Another thing.

    Was Rabbi Stephen Wise lying when he said that “1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII”?

    You distorted the quote !

    [MORE]

    I checked the actual Codoh link.

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191

    [there are]…one and a quarter to one and a half million homeless Jews on the European continent, afraid to return to Poland for they rightly dread pogroms, with only one place to go — Palestine.’

    He doesn’t speak of Polish Jews, he speaks of Jews. His mentioning of Poland alone is probably just stenography. He also might have picked Poland because it’s a place known for its pogroms. Notice that the purpose of this wording is to be persuasive about Jews having to go to Palestine. There is no purpose here of delivering a well-accurate data. And again, he is probably just producing a gross estimation anyway.

    In addition to everything I posted above – you got absolutely no case, and you distorted the facts.

    Isn’t it amazing you’re calling me IronLyinZion and then distorting the facts on your own?

    As the orange guy from the white house says it – Sad!

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  406. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Hilarious Zionist crap again.
    – Haimi has desperately displayed 4-6 skeletons for which there is no verifiable forensic report proving that:
    – they are from the period under discussion
    – they were murdered
    – that they are Jews

    – You lie again. You have not shown us these alleged “bone fragments”. Show us photos. This will be good. LOL

    – You lie yet again. In fact you have not addressed Krege’s proof that the alleged remains of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka do not exist. You have not shown that he is wrong by showing us the claimed 900,000 Jews remains claimed by Jews to still be there. *

    – You present laughable, embarrassing photos which:
    – cannot even be demonstrated to be of Trebinka.
    – no provenance whatsoever
    – that show remains of maybe THREE people. Three out of a claimed ‘900,000 Jews’. LOL
    – there is not even proof that these are skeletons are of murdered Jews
    – anyone can take a picture of a measly few bones and make claims, try that in a legit court of law LOL

    – Then, as expected, you dodged the information I posted about the fraudulent archaeolgy scam concerning Treblinka.

    – And do tell us how the alleged 900,000 Jews were supposedly murdered. What was the alleged process?

    * The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca. 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:
    So where are the claimed human remains?

  407. @Iron Lion Zion

    Given the that 6 million estimations already began to emerge towards the end of the war,

    lol

    “that 6 million estimations already began to emerge towards the end well before the war.”

    It is precisely because Rabbi Wise and Louis Brandeis knew of the plight of Polish Jews “afraid to return to Poland for they rightly dread pogroms” that Brandeis’s directive that “587,000 GERMAN Jews” be extracted from Germany is so significant.

    German Jews were the “appropriate human material for the New Jew” in Palestine, which desperately needed their wealth and skills.
    Eastern European Jews were on the margin of “suitable human material.” Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) published numerous reports of the repeated failure of Jews to develop Biro Bidjian. One group of E. European who had been accepted for aliyeh had to be sent home because they could not perform to the standards required to develop the colony.

    In another letter in the Wise, he wrote to his wife:

    “Washington, DC. 1933. “Our first visit to LDB [Louis Dembitz Brandeis]. He was just lovely . . .He was most bitter about the boycott, saying the economic extermination of 600,000 is worse than Pogroms involving 60 lives.” [Personal Letters, p. 220]

    (nb. passing rich that Brandeis is “most bitter” about the one-day German boycott of Jewish businesses, which was taken in retaliation to the economic war declared on Germany by Mar. 24, 1933 and that continued until 1941.)

    Brandeis, Wise, & the whole shebang (including Jabotinsky) knew full well that Polish (and Romanian) Jews were hated by the people among whom they dwelt, but that German Jews were relatively secure, which is why zionists had to create Mossad el Aliyeh-bet to scare German Jews out of Germany.

    Brandeis, Wise, the zionists in Palestine — they all knew that many Eastern European Jews would be killed but, to paraphrase-with-prejudice Madeleine Albright, it was a price they were not only “willing to pay,” it was a process eugenicist – zionist Jews fully anticipated, perhaps even engineered.

    We know that the zionist project in Palestine was designed on eugenic principles and methods;
    We know that zionist Jews / Judaism already had a biblical basis for killing their own: Michael Ledeen describes it with cool pride: “the Levites killed Jews at Mt. Sinai; I am a proud Levite; the same took place in WWII.”

    Carry on counting bones and making ludicrous arguments about green grass vs brown.

    Whatever it was that happened to however many Jews it happened to, zionist Jewish leaders had, or gave ample evidence of having had, full understanding of what would befall the most miserable of Jews, but they pursued their program for the sake of creating their project in Palestine.
    They started the war, deliberately, fully aware, even planning, that many Jews would die, and they selected that categories of Jews who would die and those who would not.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Iron Lion Zion
  408. ‘Iron Lion Zion’ has written 124 entries out of a total of [currently] 409 entries, a staggering 30.3%…

    Hasbara tag team @ work.

    • Agree: Genrick Yagoda
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Ron Unz
  409. @Iron Lion Zion

    Please.
    Stop.
    You’re embarrassing yourself.

    I copy-pasted “1,250,000 —” from your #357.

    Wise does not use numerals, he spells out the numbers in words.
    I have the book in front of me — oops — precision here: it’s beside me, on the left-hand side.

    Your “Polish does not mean Polish” is gobble-de-gook — were French, Dutch & Italian Jews “afraid to return to Poland”?
    The context of the letter has completely eluded you.

    The core of the complaint was that whereas in 1944, the British Labor party had said that Jews should have Transjordan and “insisting that there must be an exchange of populations, thus going beyond where we dared to go, though not beyond where we wished to go,” in 1945, the British “were about to commit a great wrong.”
    Wise does not explain that “great wrong,” so I went to the trouble of tracking it down — here: The British Labour Party and Palestine, 1917—1948 by Cecil Bloom.

    It appears the Labor Party had grown wary of such generous and unconditional terms granted to Jews in Palestine. Something to do with an incident in November 1944:

    “Between the 1944 and 1945 conferences, in November 1944, Britain was stunned by the cold-blooded assassination by two young members of the Stern Gang of Lord Moyne, British Resident Minister in Cairo and a close friend of Churchill. . . . Although the Jewish agency completely dissociated the Zionist leaders from the atrocity, Moyne’s murder changed the thinking of many British politicians towards Zionism.”

    Although rhetoric still flowed in favor of the Jewish project in Palestine, the mood had chilled.
    Wise foresaw that if the British “committed their great wrong,” the number of Jews to be admitted to Palestine would be limited.

    Thus, the purpose of his letter to Unitarian minister John Haynes Holmes:

    “Now comes my extraordinary request. Next Sunday night, Sept. 30 at Madison Square Garden, we shall hold a mass meeting in solemn protest against the threatened crime of Britain. I ask you to put aside your sermon of Sunday morning and preach on this. I would give you all the material you need.”

    Then comes the paragraph we have been batting about — “6,000,000 slain . . .1,250,000 to 1,500,000 homeless on the continent afraid to return to Poland.”

    The paper by Cecil Bloom states that by 1946, what Wise feared came to pass, — apparently unmoved by the rally at Madison Sq. Garden or by Holmes’s preaching:

    “The foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin . . . urged patience. . . .He [said] he would strive to meet the Jewish and Arab request not merely for a home, but for a Palestine State, but that patience was going to be needed.

    He was careful to emphasize the term ‘Palestine State’ in contradistinction to ‘Jewish State’, and he made it clear that he was not in favor of allowing 100,000 Jews to go to Palestine even though the Anglo-American Committee had recommended their immediate admission . . .

    He was not prepared to risk British ‘Tommys’ in keeping order and he referred also to the consequent financial burden.

    But he caused a furore across the Atlantic by accusing the Americans of not wanting too many Jews in New York, which he said was one reason for American agitation over the 100,000.”

    You may be correct, ILZ: Wise’s numbers were ballpark estimates.
    But in context, that’s irrelevant.
    There were a whole lot of Jews in Europe with no place to go, and after a war that zionist Jewish leaders (and Unitarians & other East Coast Protestants) had sought and that tore the heart out of Christian Europe, Jews were no more welcome by just as many states as they had been before the war fought, ostensibly, for their benefit.

    The real target of the relentless campaign against ‘holocaust denial’ and ‘antisemitism’ is as much “little Jews” as it is us non-Jews.
    When are you little Jews going to wake up and call your own corrupt and genocidal Levitic leaders to account?

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
  410. Wally says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    said:
    “lol

    “that 6 million estimations already began to emerge towards the end well before the war.”

    – See my comment #333, Jews have been lying about their fake 6,000,000, dead since at least 1823.”

  411. Wally says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Yep, here they are.

    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  412. bjondo says:
    @Wally

    Someone should tell young cybers

    olive camo not needed to censor.

    Olive green is effective when attacking

    olive tree orchards and night creeping.

  413. Ron Unz says:
    @Daniel Rich

    ‘Iron Lion Zion’ has written 124 entries out of a total of [currently] 409 entries, a staggering 30.3%…

    Yes, he’s just one of those fanatic Jewish-activist types who clogs up serious historical discussions with his relentless ranting and raving. Or maybe even a group of them.

    But it’s interesting that for all the endless, pointless arguments about photographs and bone-fragments, neither he nor any of the other Holocaust-zealots on this thread have effectively responded to the point I raised above:

    https://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?display=showcomments#comment-3506848

    If the Holocaust actually happened, why did the top Allied leaders totally ignore it in their combined 7,000 pages of postwar memoirs? Personally, I think it’s pretty clear they knew it was just a hoax, and assumed that it would soon be universally known as such. But what’s the explanation of the verbose Holocaust-activists on this thread?

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @eah
  414. L.K says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Franklin Ryckaert

    Same with the 400,000 Hungarian Jews who were abducted in 1944. No trace of them at all.

    As usual, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about…
    Jean-Claude Pressac, the greatest ‘expert’ on Auschwitz the holocaust industry could find to supposedly slay the ‘evil deniers’, wrote that in 1945 the British and US forces found your ‘no trace of them at all” Hungarian Jews in:

    “386 concentration camps, labor camps, and working commandos, from some hundreds in the commandos to tens of thousands in the big camps.”

    Jean-Claude Pressac, Die Krematorien von Auschwitz, Piper Verlag, Zurich and Munich 1994, p. 199 f.

    Furthermore, writes holocaust revisionist Jürgen Graf:

    After the liberation of Auschwitz, four Jewish physicians (Lebowitz, Reich, Bloch, and Weil) wrote a report in which they stated that over 1.000 Hungarian Jews were being treated in the camp hospital, among them 97 boys and 83 girls under 16. One of them, the boy J. H. Malek, was three years old, another one, the girl R. M. Salomon, was nine years of age.[ Gosudarstvenny Arkhiv Rossiskoj Federatsii, Moscow, 7021-108-23 ]
    If the official version of the events were true, these Jewish Hungarian children would have been gassed on the spot after their arrival in Auschwitz. After all, they were unable to work.

    Now, Franklin, be a good boy and go back to wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  415. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    said:
    “It’s called convergence of evidence.”
    LOL

    – It’s called a shyster putting numbers on a photo and then making claims about the numbers which cannot be proven, shown. aka: All talk & BS.

    – Show us photos of the human remains that Haimi, you, and those like you say exist there.

    said
    “And of course, I have actually showed a grave full of crushed and charred bones Haimi unearthed there.”

    – No you haven’t, you’re a liar. And I have proven it.

    I challenge you to show us pictures of these laughable “grave full of crushed and charred bones” .

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged supremacist Jews demand censorship.
    Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
    Only liars demand censorship.

  416. @L.K

    And do they add up to 400,000 ?

    • Replies: @eah
  417. @Ron Unz

    You have an inquisitive and open mind, the same healthy elements of curiosity my mom tried to instill in me.

    An open mind can’t be corralled into a fixed pattern, it wants to study it.

    You and your web site antagonize the squatters [and their supports] in Occupied Palestine and beyond, because you are looking for answers, no matter what they are, where you find them and how you get to them.

    In doing so, you unearth wrongly induced perceptions of history.

    Those who don’t want the truth to be heard, will try to outshout you [or anyone else for that matter], either by volume [loud/lengthily] or sheer volume [numeric].

    You’ve created a web site that provides great reporting, great conversations and an abundance of different viewpoints.

    The universe uses opposing forces to create energy , so there isn’t anything wrong with looking at life from different angles. The only thing we never should do, is ram our thoughts through someone else’s throat and make it mandatory ‘Cap’n Crunch.’

    I for one, salute you, your web site and your work.

  418. @Wally

    If the bodies of killed people have been cremated to ashes and crushed bones then you can expect to find only ashes and crushed bones. What else do you demand? Intact bodies?

    Why is there such an amount of ashes and crushed bones to be found in the ground of a camp that according to the revisionists was only a transit camp?

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
    , @Theodore
  419. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    …neither he nor any of the other Holocaust-zealots on this thread have effectively responded to the point I raised above:…

    Also consider this point, as summarized in a blurb for Nicholas Kollerstrom’s book ‘Breaking the Spell—The Holocaust, Myth & Reality’:

    In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort – but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted. Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps. The only reasonable explanation for this embarrassing omission is that the intercepted data seriously contradicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative. The revealed information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.

    It is more than a bit odd that re the ‘Holocaust’, there is no “smoking gun” in the Enigma decodes.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  420. eah says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Look, I’ve already covered this in comments #53 and #132; go read them carefully — please: no more of this childish nonsense — enough is enough.

    It’s weird that you would focus on the alleged murder of the Hungarian Jews, which is, logistically speaking, one of the more absurd ‘Holocaust’ claims — David Irving does a good job of explaining that here in this video –> link.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  421. Theodore says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    There is really no evidence that the report is genuine. The “Carbon copy” has no name or date on it. How do we know it is from FG? Only the Lipmann “copy” which claims this at the top says anything about that. What probably happened is that Lipmann saw the actual, real report. Then had some German speaker write two pages about “Gassings” and then he typed his own copy for that. HC Blog fails to substantiate the allegation that the report is in fact genuine.

    The various absurdities as pointed out strongly suggest that it is not genuine at all. And of course there is literally no physical evidence to substantiate the claims of homicidal gas chambers. Anyone with a typewriter can type document, the physical evidence can’t be faked. I could type a document describing jews being gassed and say you wrote it. I don’t see why you will believe anything a paper says when the physical evidence is lacking.

    Auschwitz “homicidal gas chambers” debunked:

    [MORE]

  422. @eah

    Your comments #53 and #132 have only general and verbal value.

    In #132 you say : “…Try getting a murder conviction in an adversarial court proceeding without the corpse of the alleged victim…”.

    If the corpses have been cremated, then the ashes and the bones serve as physical proof.

    If a concentration camp was “only a transit camp”, then the ashes and bones of a great number of persons have to be explained.

    Anyone who kidnaps people has to account for their disppearance, whether stories about “killing by gas chambers” are impossible or not.

    • Replies: @eah
  423. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Hundreds of thousands of people were allegedly gassed, buried, dug up, burned in giant outdoor pyres, and then reburied in these alleged huge mass graves.

    A body when cremated a normal way produces 5-10 pounds of “ash” (it actually is not ash). We can safely assume that when burned on a giant outdoor hibachi grill, a larger quantity of remains would be produced. Therefore, there would be millions of pounds of burnt remains to be found at these camps.

    Can you prove the existence of even 0.1% of the alleged remains? Show us photos please. Notably, Wally challenged you to post photographs in the message you’re replying to. You have failed to do this. I reiterate his challenge. Post photos containing just 0.1% of the alleged remains.

    Recommended:
    [Video] Holocaust Stories vs Science – How Does Open Air Cremation Work // Treblinka Cremations debunked
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12710

  424. @Wally

    As Lying Zion has previously explained, after Jew piles 2,000 bodies high catch fire and burn on their own, the burnt bones coalesce and congeal into something resembling a single hard mass of diamonds, so hard that rock drills cannot penetrate the stuff. Somewhere around 12 on the MOHS scale of hardness.

    So you are no longer looking for bones in these mass graves, just a congealed lump of impenetrable igneous Jew goop.

    Except for where the mean wicked Nazis fed the Jews to badgers. Then there are Jew bones still lying on the ground today, 75 years later just outside the badger holes. Just watch the video LyinZion posted above

  425. eah says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    What “ashes and bones”? — where? — apparently you cannot keep your comments straight; you cannot be talking about Auschwitz or the Hungarian Jews — the claims about the “transit camps”, eg Treblinka, are even more absurd than those re the Hungarian Jews: hundreds of thousands were first buried, then dug up and burned on open pyres — one can only imagine the state a human corpse after months underground, and the impossibility of burning something like that — in general claims of incineration/cremation on open pyres are absurd — it’s not possible; all you can do is carbonize flesh (eg Dresden), which is why cremation ovens are used.

    Earlier you expressed interest in Dutch Jews — I can tell you what happened to four very well known Jews deported from Holland — but their fate does not exactly support the claim that Auschwitz was a “death camp”.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  426. @eah

    Ah yes, those pesky “catastrophic typhus epidemics” in the German’s “work camps”. The Germans were ” determined, desperate even to reduce the death rate”? All it would take to entirely eliminate ANY typhus epidemics would be to provide laundry services, therefore typhus epidemics are proof positive the SLAVES were forced to wear the same clothing, unwashed, for months. Doesnt sound like “desperate” or even “determined”, systematic abuse would be the correct term. Why do the Revisionists insist on relabeling the SLAVES seized by force and held in SLAVE LABOR CAMPS as “workers” in “work camps”. The closest a Revisionist can get to an admission is to put the word SLAVE in scare quotes as if it is a false characterization, then bounce back in denial again and insist on using the word ” worker”. Nauseatingly pathetic.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Genrick Yagoda
  427. @eah

    “…What “ashes and bones”? — where? — apparently you cannot keep your comments straight…”

    I was referring to the ashes and bones found by Haimi in Sobibor as related by Iron Lion Zion upthread. If Sobibor was only a “transit camp”, such remains cannot be explained.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Theodore
  428. eah says:
    @Bombercommand

    This was the key part:

    It is more than a bit odd that re the ‘Holocaust’, there is no “smoking gun” in the Enigma decodes.

    But you are too stupid and dishonest to see/admit that.

    Everyone knows conditions in the camps were generally very bad: sanitation/hygiene, food, medical care — even back then typhus was normally survivable with proper treatment, yet at times in 1942 more than 100 died every day, week after week — the Germans deserved to be held accountable for that.

    But re extermination, there is apparently no “smoking gun” in the Enigma decodes — otherwise we would have heard about it by now.

    Got it?

    Nauseatingly pathetic.

    Yeah, I know the feeling — it comes upon me when trying to discuss this topic with cretins like you.

  429. @Bombercommand

    Elie Weasel and his father did no work in these slave labor camps. Anne Frank, Otto Frank, Edith Frank and Margot Frank did no work in these slave labor camps. Simone Veil did no work in these slave labor camps. Simon Wiesenthal spent 3 years painting swastikas on trains in these slave labor camps. A camp that he LEFT after having alleged forged papers.

    You appear to be as obsessed as LyinZion in attempting to prove some fantasy version of what happened during WWII. The truth is that concentration camps in WWII were not much different in the US, Canada, or Germany, other than the fact that Germany and German controlled territory were war zones.

    In the real world, the Germans arrested, tried, and hanged one of their own Colonel Karl-Otto Frank for mistreating prisoners. It’s a little hard to reconcile your absurd claims with the very real actions taken by the German High Command toward their own staff, and the Top Secret orders which were captured by the British Enigma machines commanding that the camps take every effort to reduce the death tolls in the camps.

  430. Dear Ron Unz,

    Even though the graphic for this article has been shown to be false in relation to the subject of the article – 3rd Reich Euthanasia – it remains in place with no notice added as to its incorrectness.

    I realize it is your policy to re-post articles of varying schools of thought as an exercise in free speech, however I would place mis-identification of an image as outside of that free-speech allowance. My request is that you remove the Wikipedia caption and label the graphic correctly as an advertisement in an NS magazine (not a poster) and state that it is not about euthanasia (the subject of the article) at all. You can see from the original placement of the article HERE –https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4885 – that the caption was added by someone. This is false history, pure and simple, not free speech.

    Thank you.

  431. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    If Sobibor was only a “transit camp”, such remains cannot be explained.

    I don’t see why they can’t be. Which revisionist said “transit camp” means “nobody could have been buried there”?
    Revisionists actually insist there are remains at these camps, just nowhere near the alleged hundreds of thousands claimed.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  432. @Theodore

    The amount of ashes and crushed bones found only in a small part of the ground of Sobibor (the rest was off limits for excavations) suggests a far greater number of deads than your occasional deportee who succumbed to his disease, died, was cremated and his ashes burried.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  433. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Why do you & Haimi fail to show us pictures of the laughable claimed ‘bones & ashes’?
    Show us pictures of the alleged bones & ashes, Zionist Franklin. What are you afraid of?

    – Here is all that Haimi found at Sobibor, where it’s claimed 250,000 Jew remains exist.

    4-5 skeletons for which no proof has been presented that they were murdered, are Jews, and are from the period.

    – And, you and those like you claim the the remains were ground up. Yet curiously the Germans must have missed these. LOL One more of the endless contradictions in your childish narrative.

    – Tell us how the alleged 250,000 human remains were ground up in a cement mixer, see comment 328. LOL

    Now tell us how the Jews at Treblinka and Sobibor were supposedly murdered.
    What was the alleged process?

  434. Zumbuddi says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Put a sock in it, CY, you’re coming off as a pretentious know-it-all.

    You’re childish bid for attention is distracting from John Wear’s courageous & solid scholarship, and making Revisionism look petty.

    Why not put your energy to the hard work of publishing a book, as Wear did:

    Germany’s War: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II

    available at Amazon & Barnes Review

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  435. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    More easily exposed fraud.

    From Haimi’s video he shows what you claim are 3000 human remains (above).

    – In fact we see only a few remains (there are four major leg bones in each human, do the math) and there is no photo in situ to verify it’s claimed location or that it was even part of Haimi’s fraudulent ‘dig’ at Sobibor. In fact there is no provenance for the hilarious photo whatsoever,
    – Notice that we do not see that ‘photo’ anywhere else in stories about his corrupt archaeological event.

    – You clearly do not know what you are talking about and believe what you want to believe. The question that remains is why Jew want millions of their brethren to be dead. Revisionist bring Jews good news.

    – “Holocaust Controversies” material have been thoroughly debunked and that is why you are afraid to present points from it.
    recommended: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=holocaust+controversies
    and:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=holocaust+controversies&fid%5B0%5D=2

    You said: “I call you out as a creator of FAKE NEWS, since we all know the monument is not located “over the remains”, but over a small portion of some of the graves. ”

    – Except that is not what the officials at Sobibor say, they ridiculously claim the remains of 250,000 are directly underneath. Oops.
    But hey, go ahead and show us pictures of the alleged human remains from your “small portion of some of the graves”. We await.

    Once again you claim that Haimi’s map shows human remains, it does not.
    It shows Haimi’s alleged areas of mass graves, but does not show us pictures of the alleged human remains within.
    Since shyster Haimi says that is where the ‘mass graves supposedly are, all he would need to do is get a shovel and prove it. He nor you cannot.

    No alleged human remains of millions upon millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  436. Say it with me:

    The mass gassings of the alleged Holocaust were physically impossible.


    The Apollo landings on the moon were physically impossible.

    The 9/11 WTC destruction wasn’t caused by planes nor was it caused by bombs or thermite – those are physcially impossible.



  437. Gunther says:

    Raul Hilberg: “There was no blueprint, there was no central office, there was no planning in any fundamental central way.”


  438. @Wally

    Iron Lion Zion has already answered those questions. You are repeating yourself.

    “… Now tell us how the Jews at Treblinka and Sobibor were supposedly murdered.
    What was the alleged process..?”

    That is not our task. We first have to ascertain that (many) people were killed in the first place. “How” is of secondary importance, not even necessary for an accusation of murder.

    • Replies: @Wally
  439. @Carolyn Yeager

    It is charming to see how much you are concerned about the good reputation of the Holy Third Reich. However, a picture of an obviously mentally handicapped person with a text suggesting that keeping him alive is too costly has to my mind everything to do with the ideology of the Nazi Euthanasia project, whether this picture technically belongs to that project or not. A state appropriating the right to judge who is “worthy of life” and who is not, threatens to become a monstrosity, but of the Third Reich we knew that already.

  440. bjondo says:

    Without the hollowfraud Jew has no right to:

    endless, free money,
    skip jail card,
    steal land,
    kill with impunity,
    endless browbeating,
    go to the head of the line,
    ignore, deform laws,
    create self-serving laws,
    being special.

    5ds

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  441. @bjondo

    The Jews did all those things already long before WW II. For example the Federal Reserve Act was adopted in 1913 (“endless, free money”). Israel is openly crticized in the West, even in “guilty” Germany.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  442. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    – IOW, my demolition of Iron Lion Zion supposed “answers” is something you cannot refute.
    – Only a Zionist hick would say that the alleged murder weapon is irrelevant. Try that in a legit court of law.

    Franklyn Ryckaert in court:
    – ‘Please your honor, there really were 900,000 Jews murdered at Sobibor, and another 250,000 murdered at Sobibor. But I can’t tell you what the weapon used was.
    You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    Franklyn Ryckaert in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are human remains of 1,150,000 Jews buried in huge mass graves at those two sites, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    The record is clear, Zionist Franklyn Ryckaert is afraid to tell us how all those alleged Jews were supposedly murdered.
    – The record is clear, Franklyn Ryckaert cannot show us the immense human remains that he claims exist at those sites.

  443. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    “A state appropriating the right to judge who is “worthy of life” and who is not, threatens to become a monstrosity, but of the Third Reich we knew that already.”

    – Except that the humane actions were taken after consultation with families.

    – Euthanasia was / is a worldwide phenomenon.

    Speaking of the “monstrosity” which Franklyn Ryckaert supports:

    Hating Arabs is not racism, it’s values.”
    Israeli Army T-Shirts Show Pleasure in Murder of Pregnant Arabs

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  444. @Franklin Ryckaert

    How old are you, Franklin? I think you are becoming senile. Seriously, I do.
    The caption says it is a 1938 propaganda poster for euthanasia. Okay? It is not. Even you in your confused state of mind have to admit that. Therefore it is false, and in fact, if left there in spite of having been informed of this, it is a LIE.

    ‘Oh, but the Third Reich was such a terrible place if you were a Jew or a communist, that it’s alright to lie all we want about it,’ say the Jews and the communists.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  445. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Why no mention of the fact that he was put in jail and also harassed before he did so? Sounds like it wasn’t a natural or accidental development.

  446. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Video available here (it’s in Hebrew though)

    Those images you posted are not from that video. I am looking at the video at the points in time that it says in the images, but I do not see that slide at all. This is certainly from another video, he is wearing a different shirt and the presentation is closer up in the images.

    Please post the actual video where you found those images. Also, if you have a better quality version of the images, please post them.

  447. Wally says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    – Yet you cannot show us anything about Hunt’s Revisionist research, publications that are wrong.
    And that’s a fact.

    – Hunt married a woman, and was expecting a child, in an E. Europe country * where they imprison people for free speech on the impossible “holocaust”, he simply wanted to avoid going to prison. None of his work has been refuted.

    * Below is where free speech on the truly impossible “holocaust” storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes. In all western countries, persecution, harassment, violent attacks & threats are the order of the day against those who engage in free speech about the impossible claims within it.
    Those are obvious admissions that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

  448. Bookish1 says:
    @Mulegino1

    An author has a tough time trying to be objective and having his book published. As david Irving recently wrote if an author says too many bad things about churchill without saying some good the publisher won’t publish his works. And if he says too many good things about hitler without saying some bad things they won’t publish his works.

    Maybe that is why irving recognized the holocaust in his writings inspite of all the evidence against it.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  449. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Why is there such an amount of ashes and crushed bones to be found in the ground of a camp that according to the revisionists was only a transit camp?

    Firstly, the remains posted do not look like anything near 3,000. Closer to 300 actually.

    And secondly, we should expect a larger quantity of remains than 3,000 if we are to believe the revisionists, the so-called “Deniers” who estimate that more than 3,000 people perished at Sobibor.

    Mattogno, Graf and Kues stated:
    “[W]e find it probable that the number of Sobibór victims is in the vicinity of 10,000 dead.”
    – “Sobibór: Holocaust Propaganda and Reality.” p 169. http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/19-s.pdf

    Possibly, that photo we see is just the remains of the 400 people executed in the October 1943 uprising, which the “Deniers” do not deny. It is alleged that 250,000 Jews died at Sobibor. That would result in perhaps 2 million pounds of burnt remains, maybe more, and 8 million teeth.

    I just don’t understand why you think showing a grave that is not inconsistent with what the revisionists actually claim somehow proves them wrong. When we demand you post actual photographic evidence of graves, it is not because we think there couldn’t be even one grave, it’s because we want you to actually substantiate your claims and refute what the revisionists have said. So far, you have not done this at all. And to suggest that revisionists believe that “A mass grave of 3,000 people at Sobibor” (it quite visibly does not contain even half that figure) is an impossibility is disingenuous. It doesn’t contradict the transit camp thesis at all!

  450. @Colin Wright

    There really isn’t all that much dispute about the reality of the Holocaust among serious researchers: even David Irving has conceded that it’s a proven fact that two and half million Jews were murdered in the Aktion Reinhard camps alone

    Not so. Irving never called it a “proven fact,” but more like a realistic possibility based on a single document, the Korherr Report. But Irving is simply covering his ass, seeking to appease the Jews somewhat – in essence, pleading for mercy that they not destroy his career completely.

    Irving has been promising a book about Heinrich Himmler detailing his (Irving’s) theory about the alleged gas chambers in the Reinhardt camps. This book has been “underway” for about 7 or 8 years now, but still it doesn’t exist. I don’t believe such a book will ever appear because there is no evidence for Irving’s thesis.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  451. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    A state appropriating the right to judge who is “worthy of life” and who is not, threatens to become a monstrosity

    What about a state that determines who has the right to reproduce? The majority of US states at one point in time had mandatory eugenics sterilization laws. Let us also not forget the US government’s murderous assault on innocent citizens at Waco and Ruby Ridge. And that’s just its own citizens. Think of all the people in other countries slaughtered by the US military in order to “Make the world safe for Democracy” or whatever.

    In the USA, the Euthanasia Society of America (ESA) was formed in 1938. It advocated for involuntary euthanasia, but basically decided against publicly supporting it because of the widespread backlash the NSDAP received for their program.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  452. @Carolyn Yeager

    Imagine if such a picture with such a message were published in any modern Western country. There would be a public outcry and rightly so. Last time I checked even Jews and communists are human beings. Denying the humanity to others is the ideological beginning of genocide.

  453. @Carolyn Yeager

    ‘Irving has been promising a book about Heinrich Himmler detailing his (Irving’s) theory about the alleged gas chambers in the Reinhardt camps. This book has been “underway” for about 7 or 8 years now, but still it doesn’t exist. I don’t believe such a book will ever appear because there is no evidence for Irving’s thesis.’

    I think you’re overlooking a more human explanation.

    Irving’s eighty one. He’s been perceptibly slowing down over the last six years, and now he’s come to a grinding halt.

    It’s kind of sad, really. He was a perfectly good historian. It’d be nice if people would quit harassing him and let him die in peace.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  454. @Franklin Ryckaert

    ‘Denying the humanity to others is the ideological beginning of genocide.’

    It’s actually the usual concomitant of war. We usually decide the enemy are filthy, subhuman vermin.

    It’s kind of necessary, really. To get along with each other, we have to agree ‘I will not shoot Mr. Jones, even if he pissed me off.’

    To start killing people, it’s more or less a prerequisite to decide they’re not people.

  455. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    – I think you’re overlooking a more rational explanation.

    There were no ‘Nazi gas chambers’ for Irving to write about and you have no proof there was.
    Hence Irving will not, cannot write about what never existed, what could not have existed.

    Science over Zionist propaganda any time, every time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  456. @Wally

    “…Except that the humane actions were taken after consultation with families…”

    Really? Uncle Wikipedia says otherwise :

    “…The Ministry used deceit when dealing with parents or guardians, particularly in Catholic areas, where parents were generally uncooperative. Parents were told that their children were being sent to “Special Sections”, where they would receive improved treatment.[57] The children sent to these centres were kept for “assessment” for a few weeks and then killed by injection of toxic chemicals, typically phenol; their deaths were recorded as “pneumonia”.

    “…In some cases families could tell that the causes of death in certificates were false, e.g. when a patient was claimed to have died of appendicitis, even though his appendix had been removed some years earlier…”

    “…More pressure was placed on parents to agree to their children being sent away. Many parents suspected what was happening and refused consent, especially when it became apparent that institutions for children with disabilities were being systematically cleared of their charges. The parents were warned that they could lose custody of all their children and if that did not suffice, the parents could be threatened with call-up for ‘labour duty’…”

    Source : Wikipedia, Aktion T4.

    One has also to consider the great public opposition to the Euthanasia project which led to its apparent suspension. But of course the NS regime, always humane and always honest, secretly continued with the program :

    “…The termination of the T4 programme did not end the killing of people with disabilities; from the end of 1941, on the initiative of institute directors and local party leaders, the killing of adults and children continued, albeit less systematically, until the end of the war…”

    Source : ibidem.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  457. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    said:
    “There really isn’t all that much dispute about the reality of the Holocaust among serious researchers: even David Irving has conceded that it’s a proven fact that two and half million Jews were murdered in the Aktion Reinhard camps alone”

    “Serious researchers”? Like these?

    “it is necessary to recognize that the lack of traces involves the inability to directly establish the reality of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.”

    – French historian Jacques Baynac, Le Nouveau Quotidien (Lausanne, Switzerland), Sept. 3, 1996, p. 14.

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    – endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

    And as usual, incompetent hacks like you run from the information I posted demolishing Irving’s ‘get out of jail early’ “holocaust-lite” statements in comment #378.

  458. @Theodore

    “…What about a state that determines who has the right to reproduce? The majority of US states at one point in time had mandatory eugenics sterilization laws…”

    A classical case of whataboutism. See: Wikipedia, Whataboutism.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  459. bjondo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The Jews did all those things already long before WW II.

    So,

    you are saying people are down right right, smart even, to be anti Jew.

    Israel is openly criticized in the West…

    “Israel sucks.”

    You are right.

    Glad no shekels bet.

    5ds

  460. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    A classical case of whataboutism. See: Wikipedia, Whataboutism.

    But actually, it isn’t. I merely asked you a question. Simply: “whataboutism” is not “when someone asks you a question that begins with ‘what about…’” — read your own source, this is not an example of “Whataboutism” at all. Sorry, bud. Maybe you knew that though, and just wanted an excuse to not answer the simple question.

  461. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Source : Wikipedia

    Try that in middle school and you’ll get an F on your assignment.

  462. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    – Leave it to a fanatical Zionist to cite Zionist dominated Wikipedia which, BTW, doesn’t even offer proof for its claims. *

    Frankin Ryckaert proves his senility again by ignoring the massive amount information in the article above and all the additional information that has been posted. I doubt if he even remembers anything here.

    – Germany’s euthanasia program was open, family consulted & public, and because of pressure from religious factions who rejected euthanasia under any condition, it was simply ended by Hitler.

    Poor Franklyn Ryckaert, he sees ‘evil Nazis’ under his bed. LOL

    * Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  463. @Zumbuddi

    Childish? I guess you’re the child. An authority on nothing. I always stand up for accuracy and truth. I have the respect of John Wear and he is big enough to admit there are things wrong with this particular article. I haven’t read his book but I’d guess there are things in it I wouldn’t agree with. My books:

    Or purchase from The Barnes Review or Castle Hill Publishers.

  464. @Colin Wright

    You are crassly avoiding replying to the FACT that Irving cannot write the promised Himmler book “proving” the Aktion Reinhardt gassings. It’s not because of his age. It’s because of what I said: no evidence. I believe I’m right that he used it as a way to keep his career going for the last 10 years, and keep his speaking tours and concentration camp tours adequately filled up. Because of his fame, the haters target him as the world’s best known “holocaust denier.” I have never harrassed him. It’s all people like you and people you like that harrass him. Stop pretending you’re some kind of friend. You are a faker and this particular comment by you is a good example of that.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  465. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    each and every single Jew who went into the camps also went outside the camps

    Nice strawman. The “Deniers” claim hundreds of thousands perished in the various concentration camps, rather than millions as you insist.

    on their way to the magical destination known as the “Russian East”, deniers never managed to find to this very day.

    You’re demanding a travel itinerary for every jew, or we should assume they were killed? This is quite absurd.
    Using your “Logic” we should assume everyone that arrived to the LA International Airport last year was killed unless you can tell us exactly where each one went immediately after their arrival. Jews went where Jews are. They have feet, they move around.

    After WWII “Anti-semitism” didn’t magically disappear, and the Soviets resettled a large number of Jews into Uzbekistan, Siberia, and elsewhere within the USSR. Other Jews went back to Eastern & Central Europe, America, Israel, and other places. Some Jews just stopped identifying as such, so if we go by census figures that counts as a “death” but obviously it is not.

    Anyway, it is YOU that is the one claiming to know exactly where they are, but you can’t actually show it. As I pointed out in comment #454, the so-called “Deniers” claim that perhaps 10,000 people perished and were buried at Sobibor. Yet your sources claim something like 250,000 or more. However, your photos fail to substantiate that 250,000 number but are exactly what we would expect if only 10,000 people perished at Sobibor. And you haven’t even posted a single photo from the recent “excavation” by Sturdy Colls at Treblinka (where allegedly 870,000 Jews are buried) showing even a measly 0.1% of the alleged human remains. And your supposed photo of 3,000 people buried at Sobibor? I’ve looked at it, and I would be surprised if there was even 300 people buried in that pit pictured. There’s absolutely no basis to the claim that 3,000 people are buried there unless it’s like 50 meters long. The pit is not even 2 meters wide and the burnt remains don’t even seem more than a few centimeters deep.

    Of course the photo is low quality and grainy, a screenshot of the photo being projected on a screen. It would be nice if you could post a higher resolution image, and more of them of the same pit. You didn’t even link to the correct video.

  466. @Theodore

    Whataboutism always is in the form of a question. That question may be legitimate in its own right, but is not relevant for the topic at hand. Such a “mere question” is used as a distraction tactic for an embarrassing topic.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  467. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Just like Colin Wright, you are avoiding the issue I raised with you and changing the subject because you can’t condemn me any other way. The point I’m making is that the information is factually WRONG, not whether you or anyone approves of eugenics programs.

    As to that, if this advertisement (not a poster) were published in “any modern Western country” with the message that we don’t want those with this condition to reproduce, it would be accepted by the vast majority. In fact, as I already stated, abortion of genetically imperfect fetuses is widespread in all Western countries today. That is simply a more advanced way to “stamp out” such humans from being born. As said by most people here, you are a horrible hypocrite and so confused in your thinking by your hate for Hitler that you hardly make any sense. You talk as if you’re the only one who is considerate of human beings and “humanity.”

  468. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Please show us the “verifiable evidence” of alleged “huge mass graves” at Belzec. Can you even prove that 0.1% of the alleged remains at Belzec actually exist? Please note, this is not me insisting that 0.1% of the alleged remains (600,000 Jews) do not exist there. I am simply asking you if you can prove that 0.1% of them do. Of course, with photographs of the alleged pits.

    Since you’re claiming 30+ graves exist in exactly known locations, down to the meter, it should be quite easy for you to provide photographs of just 0.1%.

    Recommended:

    Belzec: In Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research and History
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/09-b.pdf

    Belzec or the Holocaust Controversy of Roberto Muehlenkamp
    https://codoh.com/library/document/975/

    Belzec/Kola – Going to Extremes to Sell the Lie
    https://codoh.com/library/document/349/

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  469. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Are you saying, Franklin Ryckaert, that this man and others like him (classified as an imbecile) should be allowed to reproduce? And that, if not, it is a denial of his humanity, his human rights, and the “beginning of genocide?”

    This definitely appears to be what you’re saying. Please give a direct answer. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  470. @Wally

    ‘– I think you’re overlooking a more rational explanation.

    There were no ‘Nazi gas chambers’ for Irving to write about and you have no proof there was.
    Hence Irving will not, cannot write about what never existed, what could not have existed.

    Science over Zionist propaganda any time, every time.’

    Wally…this doesn’t even relate to what I posted.

    • Replies: @Wally
  471. @Wally

    Poor Franklyn Ryckaert, he sees ‘evil Nazis’ under his bed. LOL

    He he is generally blind, he could work his hypocrite ass off on the dutch euthanasia program if he applied the same professional outrage there. I mean, Shlomo chose a dutch nickname, the program is public, and naturally a bit contested.

    Truth is, he is part of those who still play along the devil scenario Mr James Baker mentioned.

  472. @Carolyn Yeager

    Well, maybe I am mistaken. I thought that picture with that text suggests that this man should be left to die (because keeping him alive would be too costly), but if the intention of that text is that such people should not be allowed to procreate and thus be sterilized, then I could approve of that. At least we can say the text is ambiguous.

    Whether procreation of the heavily physically or mentally handicapped is really an urgent social problem I don’t know. I think most of such people don’t find partners anyway.

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  473. @Theodore

    “… on their way to the magical destination known as the “Russian East”, deniers never managed to find to this very day…”

    You’re demanding a travel itinerary for every jew, or we should assume they were killed? This is quite absurd.
    Using your “Logic” we should assume everyone that arrived to the LA International Airport last year was killed unless you can tell us exactly where each one went immediately after their arrival…”

    That is a wrong comparison. On the one hand we talk about individuals travelling of their own accord, each which his own destination, on the other hand we talk about large groups, forced to travel to collective destinations. Such collective destinations (“work camps in the East”) should by their very nature be limited in number. If they really exsisted and if their function was not sinister at all*) then there should be documents of their administration. The Nazis were fond of documenting everything, especially if they had nothing to hide. No such documents about those mythical “work camps in the East” have ever been found. Thus we can safely assume that they never exsisted. That leaves the real function of the so-called “transit camps” (to nowhere) to be examined.

    ____________
    *) We should also ask the question if those “camps in the East” were really work camps, then what happened to those who couldn’t work ? Did the noble Nazis keep them alive ?

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    , @Theodore
    , @Theodore
  474. @Theodore

    You can find out everything you need to know by reading LyinZion’s post #355, where he claims

    QUOTE Grave 5 contains “pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further.” The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet deep). END QUOTE

    Imagine that. Melted Jew bones so hard that not even a rock drill can penetrate them, all together in pile larger than the amount of debris WTC1 left after it disintegrated.

    I do not know why people take these clowns seriously. The stuff they post is so preposterous that the only proper response to them is a great big old belly laugh.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  475. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    ” No such documents about those mythical “work camps in the East” have ever been found. Thus we can safely assume that they never exsisted. That leaves the real function of the so-called “transit camps” (to nowhere) to be examined.
    We should also ask the question if those “camps in the East” were really work camps, then what happened to those who couldn’t work ? Did the noble Nazis keep them alive ?”

    More lies & mass dodging from Zionist Franklyn Ryckaert.

    – Hapless Ryckaert predictably fails to acknowledge the fact that the outbound train records which were kept have been seized. Certainly the Germans would not have incriminated themselves by leavin the inbound records, which are many, while hiding the outbound records.*

    – Hapless Ryckaert asks if the Germans kept these Jews alive. All the while ignoring the very propaganda that he claims to support which states that Jews are all killed by ‘the Nazis’ and allegedly dumped into immense mass graves which are allegedly located in precisely known locations. Except those alleged remains of many millions are in fact not there. Ah.

    – And notice that Ryckaert cannot explain to us how these Jews were supposedly ‘murdered’. He cannot explain what the alleged murder weapon was and how it supposedly worked. Imagine that in a court of law. IOW, Franklyn Ryckaert is just another blatant, proven Zionist fraud.

    *- Inbound train records, but outbound records “missing”:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2355
    recommended:
    Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis
    https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en
    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272
    graf

  476. Mulegino1 says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Such admissions under duress are ipso facto suspect and almost certainly illegitimate.

    As Wally has pointed out, none of the revisionist claims or facts referenced in Hunt’s films have been disproved or delegitimized.

    Revisionism, being fact based, is not “inconsisten and full of logical faults.” Quite the contrary; the official claims of the Holocaust Industry, being widely divergent and even contradictory- in a factual and empirical sense- should not only be considered as suspect, the burden of proof is upon those who proffer them, not upon those who question them.

  477. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    said: “Wally…this doesn’t even relate to what I posted.”

    – Yes it does.
    you said:
    “There really isn’t all that much dispute about the reality of the Holocaust among serious researchers: even David Irving has conceded that it’s a proven fact that two and half million Jews were murdered in the Aktion Reinhard camps alone — he might minimize the toll attributable to deliberate starvation, Auschwitz, and shootings further east, but he’d be hard-pressed to seriously argue for fewer than three and a half million all told. Other researchers whose figures I recall come up with various tallies between 5.1 and 5.9 million.”

    – I also see you again also dodged my debunking of Irving’s ‘get out jail early’ nonsense and your preposterous “serious researchers” canard.

    – And do show the claimed human remains that are said to exist in known locations.

    You comment way too much, say so little and never ‘give a full measure’.

  478. @Genrick Yagoda

    It depends on what kind of drill was used. Maybe they didn’t use a rock drill, since they didn’t expect such hard material.

    As for a grave 32m x 10m x 4,5m in size, that would be 14400000 cubic centimeters.
    I remember having seen an urn of the ashes of a cremated person. That urn was a cylinder with a contents of about 3000 cubic centimeters. 1440000 divided by 3000 is 4800. A mass grave with the remains of 4800 persons is hardly an exaggeration.

  479. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    That is a wrong comparison. On the one hand we talk about individuals travelling of their own accord, each which his own destination, on the other hand we talk about large groups, forced to travel to collective destinations. Such collective destinations (“work camps in the East”) should by their very nature be limited in number. If they really exsisted and if their function was not sinister at all*) then there should be documents of their administration.

    No it is not a wrong comparison, because people have legs and can move. After they get to the destination, they have the ability to go or be taken anywhere, and you’re asking this question 8 decades after the fact.
    And who specifically claimed work camps in the east was the destination for every single one of them? Nice strawman.

    The Nazis were fond of documenting everything, especially if they had nothing to hide.

    And yet they did not document these camps as extermination centers, and the outbound train records (which would exist even if there were empty trains) are almost completely missing. Very suspicious. The lack of documentation doesn’t prove anything sinister, except perhaps on the part of those who took over Germany after the war.
    And you also conveniently side-step the fact that one Soviet bomb in July 1944 destroyed the entire documentation about transports of Jews to [and from] Belzec. If there were 600,000 jews buried at Belzec, you could provide photographs showing this. But you can’t.

    No such documents about those mythical “work camps in the East” have ever been found. Thus we can safely assume that they never exsisted. That leaves the real function of the so-called “transit camps” (to nowhere) to be examined.

    The same strawman, again. And sure, we should definitely examine the function of the camps — I agree.
    Now, show us the alleged ‘huge mass graves’, show us the photographs of the remains in quantities that far exceed what is estimated to be there by revisionists, or we are forced to accept that the lack of physical evidence which necessarily must exist is conclusive proof that the “extermination camp” theory is completely wrong.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  480. Theodore [AKA "Theodore2"] says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Maybe it need to be mentioned again: every single document on the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question/Problem” defines it as resettlement or deportation, not killing or extermination.

    The 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhard(t) proves quite conclusively that these camps were not extermination camps, but part of a massive resettlement operation: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12359

    On 17 March 1942, Fritz Reuter, an employee in the post of Governor-General of the Lublin district, wrote a note referring to a conversation held the previous day with SS-Hauptsturmführer Hermann Höfle, the representative for the Jewish settlement in Lublin district; he wrote:

    Abschließend erklärte er [Höfle], er könne täglich 4 – 5 Transporte zu 1.000 Juden mit der Zielstation Belzec aufnehmen. Diese Juden kämen über die Grenze und würden nie mehr ins Generalgouvernement zurückkehren.

    TRANSLATION: “He concluded [Höfle] that he could take 4 – 5 transports to 1,000 Jews a day with the Belzec destination. These Jews would cross the border and never return to the General Government [for the occupied Polish Region].”

    Source: Jüdisches Historisches Institut Warschau (Hg.), Faschismus, Ghetto, Massenmord, Frankfurt a. M. 1960, S. 269ff.

    There can be no doubt whatsoever about the meaning of this document: Jews unable to work would be expelled from the General Gouvernement [Poland] and deported to the occupied eastern territories. The sentence that Belzec was “the outermost border station in the Zamosz district” makes sense only in connection with an expulsion beyond the border. Like Sobibor, Belzec was situated in the extreme east of the General Gouvernement, close to the Ukrainian frontier.

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  481. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well, maybe I am mistaken.

    This needs to be given a gold-border so that it stands out. It’s a first!

    I thought that picture with that text suggests that this man should be left to die (because keeping him alive would be too costly), but if the intention of that text is that such people should not be allowed to procreate and thus be sterilized, then I could approve of tha