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In the final week of September, an Azerbaijani offensive renewed hostilities in the perennial armed conflict and territorial dispute in the South Caucasus between Armenia and its neighbor over the Nagorno-Karabakh (“Mountainous Karabakh”) region. By October, the clashes had escalated past the state border between Azerbaijan and the internationally-unrecognized Republic of Artsakh which suffered heavy shelling from banned Israeli-made cluster bombs by the Azeris. Meanwhile, Armenia retaliated with strikes in Azerbaijan outside of the contested enclave, with civilian casualties reported on both sides in the deadliest resumption of large scale fighting since the Russian-brokered ceasefire in 1994. Following Baku’s victory recapturing the town of Shusha which had been under Artsakh control since 1992, a new armistice was signed by Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, and Russian President Vladimir Putin last month. However, what distinguished this re-ignition of the war from previous skirmishes were not just the severity but its direct instigation by Turkey with military support for Azerbaijan, which included the widely publicized recruitment of jihadist mercenaries from Syria.

Contrary to what one might assume, the boundary dispute does not date back centuries and its roots are relatively modern, despite the interrelated historical persecution of Armenians by the Turks and Ottoman Empire. As many have noted, the foundations for the war which began in 1988 were laid not in antiquity but decades prior during the establishment of the Soviet republics in the South Caucasus following the Russian Revolution. More specifically, the controversial decision by Joseph Stalin in 1921 to incorporate the region into Azerbaijan would have enormous consequences when the USSR later dissolved, as the vast majority of the population within the upland territory have historically been ethnic Armenians. While that may be partly to blame, much of the shortsighted analysis of the current flare-up has oversimplified its basis by placing sole responsibility on the political decisions made by the Soviet leadership decades ago at the expense of addressing the real reasons for the “frozen conflict” in the South Caucasus.

Vladimir Lenin once described the Russian Empire as a “prison of peoples” or a “prison house of nations” in reference to the more than 120 different nationalities colonized by the Tsarist autocracy. Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and the Russian Revolution, the demographics of Transcaucasia shifted with the changes in borders increasing the overall make-up of ethnic Armenians, many of whom were displaced by the genocide. However, even a century prior Nagorno-Karabakh had still been more than 90% Armenian, despite the South Caucasus generally comprising many different ethnic communities. In the 19th century, the influence of European conceptions of nationalism resulted in the various intermingling groups of the region redefining their identities in increasingly ethno-territorial and nationalist terms. To resolve the national question, the Soviets adopted a policy which encouraged the establishment of republics and administrative borders which unfortunately did not always perfectly align with the overlapping and intermixing populations.

After the Russian Revolution, Transcaucasia was initially a unified Soviet republic consisting of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, but it soon split into three separate states. Despite promising Artsakh to Armenia and against the wishes of its population, Nagorno-Karabakh was then granted to Azerbaijan but with autonomy by the Georgian-born Stalin, then the Soviet Commissar of Nationalities. However, it is important to recognize that in spite of this fateful decision, under the USSR for seven decades the two sides held a mostly peaceful co-existence, while Karabakh Armenians continued to champion reunification with their homeland without bloodshed. That is not to say mistakes weren’t committed by the Soviet leaders who were often at odds over the national question, but one of the signature accomplishments of socialism was greatly reducing the frequently bloody conflicts between oppressed groups which shared national spaces. It was only during the circumstances of glasnost and perestroika that the social grievances of the South Caucasus took an irredentist expression which turned violent in Nagorno-Karabakh, just as it did in Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia and the North Caucasus in Chechnya.

The recolonization of Eastern Europe by foreign capital included the encouragement of secessionist and nationalist independence movements throughout the post-Soviet sphere and the South Caucasus were no exception. The template for Western hegemony over the east — based on the British founder of modern geopolitics Sir Halford Mackinder’s ‘Heartland Theory’ whose “The Geographical Pivot of History” emphasized the strategic importance of Eastern Europe — was put into practice by Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor in the Jimmy Carter administration. While the Polish-born Brzezinski delivered the Soviet equivalent of the Vietnam War and the U.S. empire’s own ‘Great Game’ by supplying lethal arms to the Afghan mujahideen, he also established the Nationalities Working Group (NWG) tasked with inciting ethnic tensions among non-Russian groups in the Soviet orbit. After the USSR collapsed, Brzezinski and the Atlanticist coven continued to mastermind the complete resizing and balkanization of Eurasia by inciting ethno-nationalist divisions in the formely ‘captive nations’ behind the Iron Curtain even after the re-establishment of the free market.

Brzezinski’s Machiavellian strategy was crystallized in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, which not only prophesied the easterly expansion of NATO on Russia’s borders but the resurgence of Islamism and Pan-Turkism in the post-Soviet Caucasus and Central Asia. As an intellectual disciple of Mackinder, Brzezinski drew from his ideas which first theorized the importance of pulling the oil-rich South Caucasus away from Moscow’s sphere of influence. Azerbaijan was one of the first former Soviet countries to become a Western power-base after the 1993 CIA-backed coup d’etat which ousted the democratically-elected government of Abulfaz Elchibey and brought to power Heydar Aliyev, father of the current Azeri president, who pivoted the country away from Moscow and began the Azerification of Nagorno-Karabakh. Two years later, Brzezinski visited Azerbaijan and helped arrange the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline linking the Caspian Sea oil basin from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey.

Since 2018, Armenia has also been in danger of becoming a Western client state after the so-called ‘Velvet Revolution’ which installed current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who rewarded the Russophobic international financier George Soros with appointments in his new government straight from the Hungarian billionaire’s NGO network which sponsored the mass demonstrations that overthrew President Serzh Sarsgyan. Pashinyan has since pledged to sign a European Union Association Agreement but will first have to withdraw Yerevan from Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union. Following the November ceasefire agreement, Pashinyan has become the subject of widespread protests himself by Armenians, which included the storming of Yerevan’s parliament building, as many were furious over his perceived premature surrender of the strategic city of Shusha which had been under Artsakh control since the end of the first Nagorno-Karabakh war.

As it happens, Soros also gave financial impetus to the civil society group Charter 77 that led the original 1989 ‘Velvet Revolution’ which deposed the Marxist-Leninist government in Czechoslovakia, but don’t speak of this to the political right which falsely imagines Soros to be a “communist” bogeyman despite his occupation as a global hedge fund tycoon. Armenia’s 2018 ‘Color Revolution’ was identical to the many pro-Western protest movements which brought regime change in Eastern European and Central Asian countries in the post-Soviet world that was first prototyped during the fall of communism in Czechoslovakia, Poland, and the Eastern Bloc. The subsequent election of Pashinyan was supposed to reset the negotiations with Baku but instead there was a resurgence of the violence in the enclave. It is not by chance that as soon as the Armenian government began to pivot to the EU away from Moscow, a revival of clashes began. Armenians should be wary of Soros pulling the strings behind their government based on the man’s own words. Even though Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has vilified the Open Society Foundation, the investor took out an op-ed in The Financial Times in March which whitewashed the neo-sultan while demonizing Putin.

From the Armenian perspective, it is impossible to separate the direct aid by Turkey for the Azeris during the current war from its collective memory of the genocide which Ankara and Baku deny to this day. It can only be interpreted as an existential threat and a sign of Erdoğan’s neo-Ottoman aspirations. For anyone who doubts Turkey’s expansionist ambitions, it has also been reported that Ankara has since recruited Syrian mercenaries to the Greek border and Kashmir. The exporting of foreign terrorists from Afrin and Idlib into Nagorno-Karabakh has resulted in war crimes such as the beheadings of Armenian soldiers. In the face of Azerbaijan’s reputation as the most secular country in the Muslim world, it appears the practices of Sunni Islamist headchoppers have been passed on to its nominally Shia armed forces. Turkey’s support also introduces an international dimension that presents a danger of the conflict transforming into a proxy war which threatens to draw in Israel, Iran, Russia, the U.S. and other players.

The geopolitical context of the war is not cut and dried. Ankara’s suspicion of U.S. involvement in the 2016 Turkish coup d’etat attempt and Washington’s refusal to extradite the CIA-sponsored Islamic cleric Fetullah Gülen from Pennsylvania put the US-Turkey relationship in shambles and relations were only further soured by Ankara’s purchase of the Russian S-400 missile system in defiance of its NATO commitments. The U.S. incorporation of the Kurds into the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) coalition to fight Daesh pushed Turkey even closer towards Moscow’s camp. To both punish Ankara and rebuke U.S. President Donald Trump’s troop withdrawal from Northeast Syria that precipitated the Turkish invasion of Kurdish-held territory last year, the U.S. House of Representatives opportunistically passed a resolution formally recognizing the Armenian genocide after decades of refusal. However, it was dead on arrival in the Senate as Turkish and Azeri pressure groups remain a top player in foreign agent lobbying exceeded only by the exempted Zionists. At the congressional level, even “progressive” Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) who has taken campaign donations from the Turkish lobby and held closed door meetings with Erdoğan notably abstained on the bill.

Some analysts intent on embellishing Turkey have suggested that because of cooling relations between the U.S. and its NATO ally in recent years, along with Armenia’s pivot to the EU, it would somehow be advantageous for Moscow to favor an Azeri victory. Even if that were true, it underestimates the historical relationship between Russia and Armenia as the protector of Orthodox Christian subjects under Ottoman rule. In reality, the only preference for Moscow is a balancing act and diplomatic victory that will resolve what the U.S. and Turkey are instigating. Three decades after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia’s ‘near abroad’ has been almost completely absorbed into the EU and NATO which rescinded their promise not to expand past East Germany with tensions between Washington and Moscow reaching a point not seen since the height of the Cold War. While Putin has become quite adept at negotiating compromises to national conflicts as he did in the North Caucasus ending the Chechen Wars, any new ceasefire mediated in Nagorno-Karabakh will only be a short-term bandaid on a deep-seated wound so long as the regions of the former Soviet Union remain under free enterprise and a target of imperialism which can sow dissension between its heterogenous inhabitants.

Max Parry is an independent journalist and geopolitical analyst. His writing has appeared widely in alternative media. Max may be reached at [email protected]

 
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  1. Notsofast says:

    excellent analysis, very insightful. another example of putins deft handling of western aggression. if putin hadn’t warned erdogan of natos attempted coup it would have succeeded, the coward erdogan had even fled turkey but was denied permission to land in germany and had to return to turkey. given erdogans downing of a russia su24 and the murder of its pilot, putin might be expected to revel in his downfall but instead rescued his enemy to use him as a wedge between turkey and nato. he drove the wedge deeper by selling him s 400s enraging the u.s. by not responding to the downing of a russian helicopter in this conflict, armenia has been shown the u.s. and nato wont lift a finger to help them, he gets to be the peacemaker while getting rid of the soros puppet. sheer genius, master statesman.

    • Agree: Neoconned, Alfred
  2. Neoconned says:

    Damn good read.

    Very informative…..especially on the Turks & their pan-Turkish & pan-Muslim motivations….or at least of their underrated intelligence apparatus…..

    Never knew they were into the whole exporting foreign fighters thing like Iran, the Saudis, and the Gulf Arab states are on record being into….

    Any thoughts on Sibel Edmonds? The lesbian honey pot used by Turk spooks to go after that Illinois Congresswoman? CIA involvement?

    Gladio part 3 with the foreign fighter angle? Just how rogue are the Turks? Is Soros a neoliberal spook front?

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @RadicalCenter
  3. Thanks to Max Parry for the informative article.

    Merry Christmas!

  4. Never blame the soviets.

    Only perfidious Albion drew borders that made strife inevitable.

    Perish the thought that Bolsheviks would even consider such a thing.

    • LOL: Alfred, Fallingwater
  5. Koolbash says:

    Not a bad analysis, but there are a few errors here. The Soviets are not to blame for the Karabakh conflict — yes, this is correct. But that is because the conflict predated the USSR. Armenians and Azerbaijanis were fighting over Karabakh (and Zangezur and Nakhichevan) in 1918-1920. The struggle continued in a non-violent fashion during the Soviet period, as Armenian Commmunists and Azerbaijani Communists squeezed out the others population from their respective republics when they had a chance. There was coexistence, but latent tension. When the USSR began to open up a bit, the conflict resumed its violent character.

    Elcibey was more likely the US-Turkish agent, not Aliyev. Elcibey was passionately pro-Turkish and anti-Russian. Aliyev was a KGB officer and so loyal (and talented) that he made it all the way up to the Politbiuro. What drove him out might have been an Armenian campaign to blacken his reputation and get him out of the Politbiuro. Once in power in Azerbaijan, Aliyev maintained a careful diplomacy building ties to Turkey and the West (esp. oil companies) but not alienating Russia.

    Armenians are not Eastern Orthodox. They have their own church and it rejected Chalcedon. There is a long history of tension and rivalry between Armenians and the Russian state. In the years leadning up to WWI, Imperial Russia was backing Kurds inside the Ottoman empire against the Armenians. Armenians were prominently represented among revolutionaries inside the Russian as well as Ottoman empire (and in Iran, too). It is true that a common general Christian identity has facilitated mutual sympathy, and Russian liberals from the imperial period to today have generally been much more favorable to Armenians. But the Russian state has been more suspicious and sometimes even hostile toward Armenian organizations, broadly speaking.

    • Thanks: Fallingwater
  6. Schuetze says:
    @Notsofast

    Christian Armenia has once again been castrated, and Putin allowed it to happen. Putin likes to pretend that he is protector of Christianity. Ultimately ZOG is to blame though, just as the Donmeh Zionist Jews are to blame for the first Armenian genocide that the Tsar allowed to happen.

    Stripping Nagorno-Karabakh from Armenia is the Talmudic punishment on Armenia for daring to claim that the Donmeh jews murdered nearly as many Armenians as Jews claim Germany gassed. If Armenia would just shut up about what the Masonic Crypto-Jews did to them in 1915, then they would no longer be Amalek. Of course this is also a warning to Germany and Germans around the world, and to Ukrainians who might consider remembering the Holodomor.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Pop Warner
    • Thanks: true.enough
    • Replies: @Jacqueline
    , @Not Raul
    , @Parbes
  7. Alfred says:

    I think Putin’s long-term aim is to ensure that Azerbaijan is not absorbed by Turkey. There is the religious divide there – Turkey is Sunni and Azerbaijan is Shia.

    Let’s not forget that Azerbaijan was a part of Iran until the Russians started taking it over in 1813. Armenia and Georgia were also parts of Iran at one time or another. The fact that Armenia and Georgia were not ethnically-cleansed or forced to convert to Islam is something the media does not want you to know.

    There is a province in Iran called Azerbaijan. Stalin named the Soviet Oblast Azerbaijan as a tool towards later occupying the Iranian portion. During WW2, the British occupied the oil-rich south of Iran and the Soviets the more fertile north of the country. The Soviets already had oil-rich Baku.

    The current Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, is Azari. But the Jewpedia does not mention that. 🙂 At least 1/3 of the Iranian officer corps is Azari.

    I think the Russians would prefer for Azerbaijan to be absorbed by Iran. It would solve a lot of problems. The Iranians have always been hospitable to the Armenians so that conflict would be quenched. Also, the Russians don’t want to be responsible for Azerbaijan’s stability.

    This is a British map of the situation in 1808.

    • Agree: Fallingwater, Not Raul
    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Verymuchalive
  8. Jake says:
    @Notsofast

    Yes, this is a very sound analysis. For many potential readers, the most important point may be that Soros is not a Marxist. Soros is, as CJ Hopkins would say, a GloboCap: Soros is a Vulture Capitalist who sees his role as making the 19th century plans of the British Empire, the Anglo-Zionist Empire Part 1, to acquire near total economic and cultural control over every part of the planet come to fruition.

    The world of Orwell’s 1984 is what we have today, and is what Soros and his ilk, featuring the US Deep State and the UK Deep State and Israel, wish to control and then absorb. The Anglo-Zionist Empire is Oceania. Russia is Eurasia, and China is East Asia.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  9. Jake says:
    @Alfred

    Shia Islam with Iranians in charge is the least brutal, least harmful Islam in the history of the world.

    The Anglo-Zionist Empire is anti-Iranian.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  10. Where did you get that photograph of Pashinian and Soros? Are you sure it’s genuine ? The consensus amongst Anatoly Karlin and his commenters was that they had never met. Indeed, Pashinian was too unimportant for Soros to meet. They’re usually well-informed about these matters – they include quite a few Armenians in there number – so I assumed it was true.

  11. @Alfred

    Armenia and Georgia were also parts of Iran at one time or another. The fact that Armenia and Georgia were not ethnically-cleansed or forced to convert to Islam is something the media does not want you to know.

    The Persian policy was to retain minorities at the edge of their empire in situ, and more or less unmolested. This meant if these areas were conquered, these minorities would continue to give the conquerors trouble. Indeed, this was the case in Georgia, where the Russians were involved in warfare from 1803 to 1828 ! ( long after official annexation )

    This policy was also the policy of the Russian Empire. There was no attempt to convert Armenia ( Armenian Apostolic Church ) or Azerbaijan ( Shia Islam ) to Russian Orthodoxy, or displace the population.

    Nearly all the ethnic cleansing, massacres and forcible conversions have been carried out by the Turks ever since their appearance in Anatolia in the late 11th Century. And, of course, they’re still doing it.

    • Agree: Alfred
  12. Vojkan says:
    @Verymuchalive

    The most difficult thing to achieve when adding a subject to a photograph is consistent lighting. The more complex the shape of the subject, the more visible detail, the more “three-dimensional” the original photograph, the more difficult it is. The photo here is too low-res to draw any decided conclusion, one way or the other. As someone who has practiced photography as a hobby for decades, I can only say that the picture doesn’t look fake to me.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @blaqua
  13. Alfred says:
    @Neoconned

    exporting foreign fighters thing like Iran, the Saudis, and the Gulf Arab states are on record being into….

    False.

    The Iranians send soldiers to train indigenous peoples to defend themselves and their countries – in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen. They also send their own militias to support their allies – just like the USA and Russia send soldiers to support various groups.

    There are no Shia mercenaries. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is an army that is organised and trained for asymmetric warfare. They don’t go around raping civilians and chopping off the heads of Christians and other Muslims. In Syria, they have defended Christian villages against the mercenaries sent by the West and its allies.

    The Saudis, Qataris and Emiratis are another matter. They finance and support mercenary armies which spend much of their time fighting each other. These mercenary armies are trained and sometimes led by Saudi, Qatari and Emirati officers.

    Do these men below look like mercenaries?

    • Agree: Fallingwater
    • Replies: @Neoconned
  14. @Neoconned

    “Into the whole exporting foreign fighters thing like THE UNITED STATES, ISRAEL, Iran, the Saudis, and the Gulf Arab States….”

    Fixed it for you.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  15. “For anyone who doubts Turkey’s expansionist ambitions, it has also been reported that Ankara has since recruited Syrian mercenaries to the Greek border and Kashmir.”

    So the Indians (Hindus), Armenians and Greeks (Christians) have historic (Moguls in India and Ottomans in Greece and Armenia) and current (as cited above) reasons to hate not only Turks in particular but also Muslims in general as well as their supporters like Soros.

  16. Max Parry says:
    @Notsofast

    Agreed. It’s incredible that Turkey went from shooting down Russian jets one year to buying the S-400 the next. Even Andrei Karlov’s assassination didn’t disrupt the geopolitical realignment, though Moscow and Ankara both believe the police officer who did it may have been in Hizmet. Putin plays chess, Washington plays checkers.

    • Agree: Notsofast
  17. @Vojkan

    And whose photo is that hanging on the wall? What a strange picture to have in a room.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @No-No-NATO
  18. nationalism is toxic, religious sectarianism is intoxicating, mix the two and you get a veritable poison that brings mayhem.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
    • Replies: @Fallingwater
  19. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    “underestimates the historical relationship between Russia and Armenia as the protector of Orthodox Christian subjects under Ottoman rule.”

    Good arrangement ! Why did Turkey allow this from late seventeen hundreds ( I think form 1758) ? Turk should have demanded same for the muslim in the Czar’s Christian empire .

    The demand leads to violence wars and more nationalism .But Czar’s Russia has already poisoned the well putting Armenian against Turkey’s sovereignty .

    Soviet did a lot of bad things -transplanting people or giving areas to those who dont control it. Crimean Tartars are as bad of a victim as are the NK -Armenians.

  20. Agent76 says:

    Nov 11, 2020 How Soros-backed Pashinyan betrayed Armenia and Artsakh

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  21. Vojkan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    At first glance, it looked to me as Bush the elder. Whoever’s photo, it is weird indeed to hang such a poster in the dining room. Given the very Eastern European look of the layout and the furniture, I’d assume Soros is the guest and Pashinyan the host, contrary to what their respective outfits would suggest. The picture definitely isn’t to Pashinyan’s advantage. The best argument in favour of the claim that it has been doctored is that the scene is really odd.

  22. @Schuetze

    As an Armenian, I’m curious about your comment that the Jews were responsible for the Genocide of 1915. Can you please elaborate on that?

  23. eggplant says:

    Pashinyan looks positively tribal in that photo

  24. SSDD says:

    “Ruthless Empire Builders,” Ida Tarbell & spell checker bots didn’t want Ida’s name on UNZ’s record. Excellent writing at this site, great verve too. Follow the Mayflower Pilgrims, Protestant Rockefellers et al. See George Washington, & Martha, e.g., “Will Shag.” “Manifest Destiny”. General of China’s military, 2003 or thereabouts, letting indigenous of America know the genocidal rape, pillage, plunder was to be a”reckoning”. Soros is a stooge for Kissinnger & see book “On Excellence”, Kissinger’s mentor. 3rd generation of the Metzitzah B’peh cult are going to finally meet Waterloo, too.

  25. I knew from 2018 from when Pashinyan took over to start breaking with Russia that it would march into disaster. It thought it had powerful friends in the West but when needed it found there was nothing.

    Azerbaijan did not win – it was Armenia that sabotaged itself. At least Armenia is now starting to realize that the West is not its friend (more like a deadly enemy).

    Israel has shown Armenians it true face. It punished Armenia for being friendly with Assad and the Syrian people. Erdogan and his Islamic fundamentalists enjoyed killing Armenians in revenge for us daring to point at their genocide of us in 1915.

    Now Armenia is very much alone with no one to help it. The West thinks it’s in its pocket and that Armenia will come crawling and begging for help. Russia will wait to see if Armenia digs deeper into stupid with the West.

  26. @Jacqueline

    While Armenians had been active in the early days of Ittihad, the Young Turks in question (Enver, Talaat, Djemal and Mehmet Javid among others) were about as Turkish as Deutsche Bank is deutsch;
    they were dönme (lit.: “renegades”, Sabatean crypto-Jews from Saloniki).
    (((Franz Werfel))) (“The 40 Days of Musa Dagh”) was aware of that but you have to know where to look for the dog whistles.

    • Agree: Boom Boom Kaboomski
  27. Neoconned says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I’m truly open to your thesis…..

    But…..can you provide examples of Israeli and American support for these groups & other assorted foreign fighters?

    I wanna read more on this….

  28. To get a clear insight, we need to separate grain from chaff, so to speak. Long-term issues are one thing, whereas recent flareup of Nagorno-Karabakh war is another. For at least a decade the US State Department, Soros, and other scum are doing their utmost to create a “ring of fire” around Russia. In their game they use existing problems and intellectual midgets like Erdogan in Turkey, Pashinyan in Armenia, Porky and Co, as well as current clown in Ukraine, Tikhanovskaya in Belarus, Sandu in Moldova, Saakashvili in Georgia, a succession of “leaders” of the three Baltic vaudeville states, tribalist morons in Central Asia, etc. Western “humanitarians” don’t give a hoot about human death and suffering in all those regions, as long as the conflicts hurt Russia. This is in contrast to Putin’s efforts to stop or preempt these conflicts, forcing the parties to negotiate, rather than fight and murder each other.

    However, Soviets did a lot of gerrymandering to cement the USSR and make its breakup hard to impossible. One of these was giving Karabakh to Azerbaijan. The other was separating part of Azerbaijan (Nakhichevan) by Armenian territory. But that was not all by far. Abkhasia (originally a separate republic) was added to Georgia (now separated from it, to the delight of Abkhasians). Ossetia was divided, with South Ossetia joined to Georgia, and North Ossetia to the Russian Federation. Now South Ossetia separated from Georgia (to the delight of Ossetians). Transnistria, with small proportion of Moldovan population, was added to Moldova (now separated to the delight of locals, including Moldovans living in that region). Large Russian regions (most of Novorossia, taken away from Turkey) were added to Ukraine. Two of these regions (Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics) now separated. The last (in 1956) in that saga was the addition of totally non-Ukrainian Crimea to Ukraine (now separated, to the delight of >90% of its residents). Large areas populated by Russians were added to Kazakhstan. Large chunk with ~90% Russian population was added to Estonia (now Eastern Estonia). These problems surfaced when traitors Gorby and Yeltsin dismantled the USSR. Many autonomous republics inside the RF were artificially created to “unite” the bitterest of enemies: Chechens and Ingushes, Karachaevans and Cherkess, Kabardinians and Balkars (now these monsters are divided into separate republics for each nation within the RF).

    Long story short, Soviets planted a lot of these landmines. Now they are triggered by Western “humanitarians” against active work of the RF and Putin to defuse them and preserve peace.

    • Replies: @Fallingwater
  29. @Agent76

    Soros-backed Pashinyan betrayed Armenia and Artsakh

    What else is new? Soros invariably supports the worst of scum in many countries. Now he supports Biden and Dems in the US. Tells you all you need to know about them.

  30. Neoconned says:
    @Alfred

    What about Iranian financing of Islamic fighters & groups in Bosnia??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_in_the_Bosnian_War

    Iranian rackets in Latin America that fund Hezbollah?

    I’m open to your thesis btw….

    You have more reading on this subject? I find it fascinating.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @BDS Always
  31. A.K.Patal says:
    @Notsofast

    “the coward erdogan had even fled turkey but was denied permission to land in germany and had to return to turkey.”

    Erdogan fled to Germany during the Coup in 2016 ?? Clearly, you swallow the CIA propaganda just like a cop in a donut shop!

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  32. Schuetze says:
    @Jacqueline

    The evidence of a Jewish “hidden hand” behind the Armenian Genocide is as crass and blatant as the faked holocaust. Masonic Zionism also runs deep, just as it does in the lead up to WWI, WWII and virtually every war for the last 300 years.

    Here are a few links right off of the top of a simple duckduckgo query:

    https://zaidpub.com/2015/11/29/the-donmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret/

    “Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey. It is interesting that “Dönmeh” not only refers to the Jewish “untrustworthy converts” to Islam in Turkey but it is also a derogatory Turkish word for a transvestite, or someone who is claiming to be someone they are not.”

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/11/why-wont-israel-acknowledge-the-armenian-genocide-the-donmeh-jewish-leadership-of-turkey-was-responsible/

    The Committee of Union and Progress, later known as Young Turk movement which was responsible for the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the genocide of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians, was created and controlled by Jews. They belonged to a group called Donmeh, crypto-Jews who converted to Islam in order to hide their Jewish identity. These Donmeh Jews were also followers of Sabbatai Zevi, a self-proclaimed Jewish Messiah who converted to Islam as well. The international Jewish elite planned to create a Jewish state in Palestine but the problem was that Palestine was under Ottoman rule. Founder of the Zionist movement, Theodor Herzl wanted to negotiate with the Ottoman Empire for Palestine, but he failed. The international Jewish elite wanted to gain control over the Ottoman Empire and destroy it in order to free Palestine, therefore the crypto-Jews of the Donmeh group founded the Committee of Union and Progress under the guise of a secular Turkish nationalist movement. The Young Turks had at least two congresses (1902 and 1907) in Paris in order to plan and prepare a revolution in order to gain control over the Ottoman Empire. In 1908, the Young Turks launched a revolution and forced Sultan Abdul Hamid II into submission.

    https://secretjews.wordpress.com/page/2/

    Freemason Dictator Mustafa Kemal confesses his Jewishness:

    “I’m a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi-not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp. I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It’s rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as– ‘Shema Yisra’el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!’ ”

  33. Max Parry says:
    @Neoconned

    The Iranian support for Bosnia in the Yugoslav wars, which oddly put them on the same side as Israel and the Saudis, was an exception, not the rule.

    Hezbollah isn’t a terrorist organization like the Islamists in Syria being sent to Nagorno-Karabakh, they are legitimate defenders of Lebanon.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Neoconned
  34. Max Parry says:
    @A.K.Patal

    NBC News and Western media directly supported the coup attempt by falsely reporting he had fled, citing the military.

  35. Azerbaijan was one of the first former Soviet countries to become a Western power-base after the 1993 CIA-backed coup d’etat which ousted the democratically-elected government of Abulfaz Elchibey and brought to power Heydar Aliyev, father of the current Azeri president, who pivoted the country away from Moscow and began the Azerification of Nagorno-Karabakh.

    Major inaccuracy in this article: Abulfaz Elchibey was a radical Western-oriented “democrat”, and his departure was welcomed by Russians. In fact Elchibey and Pashinyan share many similarities in their career path and their politics. They even look the same!

    In general I feel that blaming Soviet Union absolves current generation of leaders of their responsibility. Armenians had 20 years to resolve the conflict on favorable terms and they blew it because they grew complacent and arrogant. Armenians started resenting Russia for pushing them towards compromise – you know how they say, when God wants to punish someone, he deprives them of reason.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @Verymuchalive
  36. How about, instead we blame Max Parry for being a disgusting Communist shill?

    • LOL: Max Parry
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  37. And we should blame Putin for his characteristic strategic short-sightedness here.

  38. “It is sometimes necessary to lie damnably in the interests of the nation”

    Hilaire Belloc 1870-1953, British Author.

    The history of the Armenian-Turkish conflict is complicated and contentious, impossible to describe accurately in statements of one-sided guilt such as that presently before Congress.

    Ethnic conflict between Turks and Armenians actually began more than 100 years before World War I. Actions of the Russian Empire precipitated the conflict. In 1800, Armenians were scattered within and beyond a region that now encompasses Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Eastern Turkey. In all but small districts, Armenians were a minority which had been under Muslim, primarily Turkish, rule for 700 years. The Russian Empire had begun the imperial conquests of the Muslim lands south of the Caucasus Mountains. One of their main weapons was the transfer of populations — deportation. They ruthlessly expelled whole Muslim populations, replacing them with Christians whom they felt would be loyal to a Christian government. Armenians were a major instrument of this policy. Like others in the Middle East, the primary loyalty of Armenians was religious. Many Armenians resented being under Muslim rule, and they were drawn to a Christian State and to offers of free land (land which had been seized from Turks and other Muslims). A major population exchange began. In Erivan Province (today the Armenian Republic) a Turkish majority was replaced by Armenians. In other regions such as coastal Georgia, Circassia, and the Crimea, other Christian groups were brought in to replace expelled Muslims. There was massive Muslim mortality—in some cases up to one-third of the Muslims died.

    The Russians expelled 1.3 million Muslims from 1827 to 1878. One result of this migration, serving the purposes of the Russians, was the development of ethnic hatred and ethnic conflict between Armenians and Muslims. Evicted Muslims who had seen their families die in the Russian Wars felt animosity toward Armenians. Armenians who hated Muslim rule looked to the Russians as liberators. Armenians cooperated with Russian invaders of Eastern Anatolia in wars in 1828, 1854, and 1877. When the Russians retreated, Armenians feared Muslim retaliation and fled. Hatred grew on both sides.

    The situation was exacerbated by rebellions of Armenian revolutionaries in the 1890s in which cities in Eastern Anatolia were seized and many Muslims and Armenians were killed. Intercommunal warfare between Turks and Armenians in Azerbaijan during the Russian Revolution of 1905 added to the peoples’ distrust of each other. Muslims and Armenians were now divided into sides, antagonists. Each group believed that in a war they would be killed if they did not kill first, a classic self-fulfilling prophecy. Most Muslims and most Armenians had no wish to be a part of this, but they were caught in the awful consequences of their expectations and their history….

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/background.htm

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  39. @Neoconned

    Anyone who quotes Wikipedia as a realible source does not know how to do proper research.

    Some info on the Armenian Genocide Scam.

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/background.htm

    • LOL: Max Parry
    • Replies: @Avery
  40. @AnonFromTN

    Another one is the Ferghana Valley in Central Asia. Perhaps the most confusing and bewildering borders in the world are drawn there, between Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. I guess the comissars thought that one of Asia’s most bountiful, fertile, and productive patches of dirt couldn’t just be signed over to the people who lived there. They might have started asking questions and and getting ideas…

  41. @anno nimus

    nationalism is toxic

    Hello, Rabbi

  42. Neoconned says:
    @Max Parry

    But what about when they do trans national ops like the early to mid 90s terror bombing in Latin America or the 2012 Bulgarian suicide attack?

    Was the Bosnian thing a fluke then? Where…..pan-Islamism i guess trumped its feud with the Saudis etc?

    Also i truly am ignorant on this subject & would like further reading…..do you have any links or say book suggestions regarding Israeli backing of Muslim fighters in the Balkans in the 1990s & 2000s…..and if so what was Israel’s objective?

    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @anon
  43. Max Parry says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Elchibey may have been anti-Russian and pro-Western but he was elected and only in power for a year. It was Aliyev who allowed Big Oil access to Central Asian oil.

  44. @Boom Boom Kaboomski

    To call Max Perry a communist shill we’d have to assume that there is some major communist party or organisation that is capable of influencing events in a big way. Well where is it?

    • Agree: Not Raul
  45. Max Parry says:
    @Neoconned

    Sorry, my mistake, Israel actually backed the Serbs in that war. But the Saudis and Iranians were on the same side in the Balkans so the point is still valid. The battlefields are often complex and Nagorno-Karabakh is similar in that Iran is ostensibly aligned with Shia Azerbaijan who are in turn backed by the Israelis.

    • Agree: Jazman
  46. Avery says:

    {“Anyone who quotes Wikipedia as a realible source does not know how to do proper research.”}

    And anyone who quotes the Turkish denialist site has supposedly done, quote, ‘proper research’, UyghurTürkoğlu ?

    You and your Denialist ilk are no different than the nomad savages who behead elderly civilians, as Max’s article linked:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/two-men-beheaded-in-videos-from-nagorno-karabakh-war-identified

    [Two elderly men who were beheaded by Azerbaijani forces in videos widely shared on messaging apps have been identified, confirming two of the bloodiest atrocities of the recent war in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    The ethnic Armenian men were non-combatants, people in their respective villages said. Both were beheaded by men in the uniforms of the Azerbaijani armed forces. ]

    You filthy savages, blood of defenseless Armenian civilians dripping from your beastly fangs. No different than during the Armenian Genocide (…and the Genocide of Pontic Greeks, and Assyrians by savage nomad Turks).

    • Replies: @BDS Always
    , @Blade
  47. blaqua says:
    @Vojkan

    The photoshopped photograph is FAKE, a propagandistic flop

    https://www.cnn.gr/kosmos/story/163168/to-tet-a-tet-zaef-me-soros-sto-pagkosmio-oikonomiko-foroym-toy-ntavos-kai-i-orgi-toy-kammenoy

    The original one shows prime minister Zoran Zaev with Soros during their meeting at the Davos forum.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Max Parry
    , @Vojkan
  48. Not Raul says:

    The picture looks Photoshopped. Look at the PM’s head.

  49. Not Raul says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The only such organization is in China, and Perry isn’t particularly pro-China.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  50. Avery says:
    @BDS Always

    {“Anyone who quotes Wikipedia as a realible source does not know how to do proper research.”}

    And anyone who quotes the Turkish denialist site has supposedly done, quote, ‘proper research’, UyghurTürkoğlu ?

    You and your Denialist ilk are no different than the nomad savages who behead elderly civilians, as Max’s article linked:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/two-men-beheaded-in-videos-from-nagorno-karabakh-war-identified

    [Two elderly men who were beheaded by Azerbaijani forces in videos widely shared on messaging apps have been identified, confirming two of the bloodiest atrocities of the recent war in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    The ethnic Armenian men were non-combatants, people in their respective villages said. Both were beheaded by men in the uniforms of the Azerbaijani armed forces. ]

    You filthy savages, blood of defenseless Armenian civilians dripping from your beastly fangs. No different than during the Armenian Genocide (…and the Genocide of Pontic Greeks, and Assyrians by savage nomad Turks).

    • Replies: @anon
  51. Not Raul says:
    @Schuetze

    Putin is the Russian Pinochet, with all the good and bad that implies.

    • Disagree: Vojkan
    • Replies: @Max Parry
  52. Max Parry says: • Website
    @blaqua

    The photo was in both Azeri and Armenian outlets but there are multiple officials in Pashinyan’s administration such as Armen Grigoryan who are from NGOs affiliated with OSF

    • Replies: @blaqua
  53. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned

    early to mid 90s terror bombing in Latin America or the 2012 Bulgarian suicide attack?”
    2 bullshits that have been debunked .

    Google – lobelog Argentina Israel

    Also-1 -“Bill Brencick, the chief of the political section in the US embassy from 1994 to 1997, also acknowledged in a 2007 interview that US insinuations of Iranian responsibility were based solely on a “wall of assumptions” that had “no hard evidence to connect those assumptions to the case.” In an August 1994 cable to the State Department, US Ambassador James Cheek boasted of the “steady campaign” the embassy had waged that “kept the Iranians in the dock where they belong.” In a striking comment to this writer in 2007, Cheek conceded, “To my knowledge, there was never any real evidence” of Iranian responsibility https://thegrayzone.com/2020/07/26/police-spys-testimony-official-us-israeli-amia-bombing/#more-29949

    2 [Richard] Perle, in the same 1998 article, told Forward that a coalition of pro-Israeli groups was ‘at the forefront with the legislation with regard to Iran.  https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/25/israel-american-jews-and-the-war-on-iraq/

    3 On Monday morning, Cheney got a warm reception and forceful applause for familiar speech lines, such as his assertion that the “only option” against terrorists is to “go on the offensive.” Many rank-and-file members of AIPAC seemed to be spoiling for military action against Iran — “We have to do to them what we did to Saddam,” one delegate told me — https://www.salon.com/2007/03/16/aipac/

    4 Patrick Clawson, Director of Research at Washington Institute Of Near East Policy (WINEP), has suggested that someone should fabricate that small provocation.
    Speaking at the WINEP policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” Clawson (ironically) said that “if, in fact, the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if someone else started the war.” https://www.businessinsider.com/top-researcher-suggests-israel-get-nastier-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9

    5 Israeli intelligence helped the United States to assassinate Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani in a drone strike in near Baghdad, NBC reported on Friday.
    According to the report, informants at the Damascus international airport tipped off the CIA about the time Soleimani’s plane took off for Baghdad, while Israel confirmed the intelligence provided to the Americans.– https://outline.com/8a8jrR

  54. Max Parry says: • Website
    @Not Raul

    Pinochet was a fascist Western puppet so that neoliberalism could “make the economy scream”, he and Putin have nothing in common.

  55. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump sent 500 millions out of USA’s stimulus package to Israel and not a penny to Armenia. Judeo -Christian value ,R2P, helping hand to the needy ,aid to the distressed nation of refugees created by a leader who was handpicked by USA – none featured to the MAGA stupid ‘s selective muslim hate soaked mind .

    .

    “However, the seemingly disparate allocation of funds, which sees individual Americans receive a one off-payment of $600 – half the amount previously given in March 2020 – triggered outrage on social media platforms, prompting #IsraelAid to trend.

    $600 for you, $500,000,000 to Israel,” Sven Henrich, a trader, said on Twitter.

    “These figures are useful to see what our government’s priorities are,” journalist Walker Bragman said.

    “$500,000,000 could restore the at-home caregiver program that got cut under Trump and the GOP. It could be used so schools have funds for distance learning. It could be used to get the 32,000,000 uninsured people healthcare for 2021. But nope. It’s going to Israel,” Democratic activist, Amanda Siebe said.

    “Israel has universal health care while Americans – transferring yet more of your money to that foreign country – do not: (they also have an excellent Lobby that wields more power than you do in the halls of Congress),” journalist Glenn Greenwald said.” https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/12/22/us-gives-500m-to-israel-under-pandemic-relief-bill

  56. @Max Parry

    The battlefields are often complex and Nagorno-Karabakh is similar in that Iran is ostensibly aligned with Shia Azerbaijan who are in turn backed by the Israelis.

    I think you got this wrong also. From what I’ve read Iran is NOT aligned with Azerbaijan, ostensibly or otherwise, despite both being Shia but seems to be more sympathetic to Armenia.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  57. Vojkan says:
    @blaqua

    As I said, the photo here is too full of oddities and I never claimed it was real, I only said that based on lighting it didn’t look fake but that it was too low-res to decide. Now, after seeing the real one, the technical details that betray it’s fake appear more obvious, like the less saturated colour of Pashinyan’s face or the fact that his head seems to levitate ahead of his body. It also makes sense that Soros be the host in Davos, though I notice that you can be a billionaire and yet have mitteleuropäisch petit-bourgeois taste.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  58. Vojkan says:
    @Max Parry

    Iran couldn’t appear to take a back seat in the great muslim cause that was Bosnia but to this day it hasn’t recognised Kosovo and if it does eventually, it will be exclusively the current Serbian administration’s fault.
    As for Israel supporting Serbs, there are the things they say and there are the things they do. In words, Israel has pretended to be balanced in the name of some imaginary Serbian-Jewish friendship born out of a common suffering during WWII and in which only Serb imbeciles believe. In acts, Israel has provided arms to both Croats and Bosniaks, and Jews in general have been at the forefront of the campaign of demonisation of Serbs.

  59. @Jacqueline

    The Young Turks were largely funded by Turkish Jews, many of whom joined the organisation. Men like Emmanuel Carasso.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Carasso

    When the Turks sacked Smyrna in 1922, the Greek and Armenian quarters were destroyed, but the Turkish and Jewish were unscathed.

  60. @Avery

    Was waiting for the usual Armenian version of the “Hasbara’s” to pop out of the woodwork with personal attacks as per usual when the Armenian “Genocide” is questioned.

  61. @Felix Keverich

    I can’t agree more. Russia is Armenia’s only patron – indeed, only real ally. When your patron tells you to compromise, you may grit your teeth, but that’s what you do. If you don’t, things may get very much worse for you – as here.

    Armenians had 20 years to resolve the conflict on favorable terms and they blew it because they grew complacent and arrogant.

    Yes that is true, but it’s much worse. They had the opportunity for years to integrate Armenian air defence with Russia, but refused to do so. The Russians would have turned a blind eye if this was used over Artsakh, I’m sure. Also, they would have had access to modern anti-drone weapons. Likewise, intelligence-wise, the Armenians had been out of contact with Russia for over a year. Defence spending had been reduced to very low levels, whilst Azerbaijan’s was ramping up. Then there was purge of army officers in the summer. The list is long. Arrogance, complacency, but above all incompetence.

    It is part of a much deeper problem. Since the end of the original war in 1994, Armenia has been characterised by political incompetence and failure. The Republic has lost 10% of its population since 1990, over 1% in 2019 alone. Despite a large and wealthy diaspora, very few seem to want to settle there. Even worse, few invest in Armenia either. The contrasts with Jews and Israel couldn’t be more stark. If Armenia is to succeed, future leaders have got to turn this around and make Armenia economically and politically successful. A Sorosite hack like Pashinian is obviously not the answer.

    • Replies: @Boom Boom Kaboomski
  62. @Verymuchalive

    The Armenians fucked up big-time, no doubt, and they are now going to bear the consequences. However, Russian short-sightedness here is striking, as usual they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face. Russians remind me of American blacks, they’re so consumed with short-term slights (“dissed”), that they can’t see the long-term harm they’re doing to themselves. To teach the Armenians a lesson for playing footsie with the West, Russia has allowed their southern border to fall into chaos, created possibly two new NATO states there, and allowed the Turk middlemen to flood the region with CIA-Mossad mercenaries. All because they were annoyed with Armenia and didn’t firmly intervene early and end the fighting before it started. Kinda like in Syria. Or Ukraine. Or Belarus. See a pattern here?

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
    , @Showmethereal
  63. @Vojkan

    So the Karlin mob were right. Pashinian is too unimportant for Soros to meet. Either that, or the Russians have warned Pashinian about doing so. I suspect, if he had a free choice, he would have met Soros by now.

    It also makes sense that Soros be the host in Davos, though I notice that you can be a billionaire and yet have mitteleuropäisch petit-bourgeois taste.

    I suspect it is a hotel room. The deer horns are the giveaway. They’re quite small – bijou almost. Usually, you see them in places like Scottish Castles, where lots of large stags’ heads are displayed.
    You wrote that the photo was low-res. I’m wondering: could the “picture” be a wall-mounted television ?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  64. Here’s an excellent analysis of the situation, posted here early in the conflict in response to one of Saker’s characteristically stupid articles, by regular commentator Friendly Neighborhood Terrorist:

    http://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-sultan-and-grandmaster-nagorno.html?m=1

  65. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    “Armenian genocide” was a product of bad use of words, amnesia for the secessionists treasonous egregious activities, and physical violences against Turk and against the state properties. “Armenian genocide” was also a byproduct of the imagination of the existence of some sort of preferential rights of the Christian compared to the muslims in the minds of the Europeans. How could a muslim country dare to question the God given right of Armenian ethnicity to do what ever it wanted to do within the Ottoman empire?

    Armenian shall try to find some other way to mourn for the loss of the prestige, privilege ,and power that they enjoyed for over 2 centuries in Ottoman .

  66. blaqua says:
    @Max Parry

    I condemn in the strongest terms any dealings of Pashinyan’s administration with Soros’ NGOs and foundations, however, the fake photograph you selected exaggerates Pashinyan’s bond with Soros.

    • Replies: @Max Parry
  67. @Commentator Mike

    Iran is NOT aligned with Azerbaijan, ostensibly or otherwise, despite both being Shia but seems to be more sympathetic to Armenia.

    You are right. I my view, there are two reasons. One: whatever side Turkey is on, Iran is on the opposite side. Two: the majority of Azeris live in Iran (current Azerbaijan is the piece of Iran Russian Empire managed to take away from Persian Empire), and Iranian leadership does not want them to get ideas.

  68. Max Parry says: • Website
    @blaqua

    If it is a doctored image than I was unaware, it was used by and is still up at a number of legitimate Azeri and Armenian news sources which I closely followed during the conflict.

    • Replies: @blaqua
  69. EugeneGur says:
    @Boom Boom Kaboomski

    To teach the Armenians a lesson for playing footsie with the West, Russia has allowed their southern border to fall into chaos, created possibly two new NATO states there, and allowed the Turk middlemen to flood the region with CIA-Mossad mercenaries.

    The Armenians definitely should learn the lesson that tho Russians could not be more Armenians than the Armenians. The Russians soldiers are not prepared to die for the Armenian land if the Armenians aren’t prepared to die for it. There will be no chaos with the Russians troops there and an additional Russian military base. The Turks gained nothing but to keep up appearances. The CIA-Mossad mercenaries have been in the region long before that conflict, or do you suppose the 2000 people-strong American embassy in Erevan houses somebody else?
    By the way, Putin is never short-sighted. You are.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Boom Boom Kaboomski
  70. Parbes says:

    A very good article by Max Parry, shining light on the REAL historical and current background of the South Caucasus conflict including the behind-the-scenes but essential role played in it by the globo-imperialist U.S. regime and its Israeli sidekick, with toxic toads like Brzezinski and Soros on center stage… Thank you for a very lucid and illuminating read, Mr. Parry!

    My sole quibble is with this: “….current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who rewarded the Russophobic international financier George Soros with appointments in his new government straight from the Hungarian billionaire’s NGO network….” – which should instead read: “….current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who rewarded the Russophobic international financier George Soros with appointments in his new government straight from the HUNGARIAN JEWISH billionaire’s NGO network….”

    George Soros is NOT a true “Hungarian”; no more so than he is a true American. This evil sociopath hates Hungary and REAL Hungarians (i.e., Magyar goyim) as much as, if not more than, he hates Russia and Russians.

  71. Parbes says:
    @Schuetze

    You’re a psychopathic German Neo-Nazi windbag who blames Russia and Russians for everything due to your loony Russophobia, just like your incompetent sicko Führer who destroyed his own country as well as the rest of Europe while barking about “lebensraum”, “untermenschen” etc. This whole post of yours is full of anti-Russian slander from beginning to end. As far as shameless Nazi-style propaganda mindfarts go, however, this one takes the cake:

    “….the first Armenian genocide that the Tsar allowed to happen”

    It was GERMANY that was allied to the Ottoman criminals who carried out the Armenian genocide in World War I, not Russians. It was GERMANY that was backing the Ottomans to the hilt. The Russians were fighting AGAINST the Ottomans in World War I, right up until the end when they were knocked out of the war. So how is it that it’s the Russians, fighting AGAINST the Ottomans, who are to blame for “not stopping” the Armenian genocide, and not the Germans who were ALLIED with those same Ottomans? Care to explain, asshole?? What is this supposed to be – retard Neo-Nazi “logic”? The Germans in World War I knew full well what their ally the Ottoman regime was doing to the Armenian population in East Anatolia, as attested to by the cables of German diplomats stationed in Constantinople at the time – yet they didn’t even lift a finger to try to stop it; they didn’t even utter any protest against their “esteemed allies” the Ottomans, who were very dependent on German military aid. So it is not the Russian Tsar, not even the “Zionist Donmeh Jews”, but the German Kaiser and his minions who bear full responsibility for “allowing the first Armenian genocide to happen”.

  72. Vojkan says:
    @Verymuchalive

    You’re right, it’s most probably a hotel. I’ve worked in a Paris luxury hotel when I was a student and this just seems a little below standard to me.
    As for the “picture” on the wall, it is fake too. It’s not in the original photo. And it would be a really odd place to hang a TV.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  73. @Vojkan

    And it would be a really odd place to hang a TV.

    And to have it turned on during a meeting. Weird. Yes the photo must be a fake. It still doesn’t mean that they haven’t met somewhere sometime with or without a photographer present.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  74. @Commentator Mike

    You could be right I strongly suspect that Russia has warned Pashinian about meeting Soros. That doesn’t mean they haven’t met in the past. Or haven’t met surreptitiously since he became PM.
    Most of the Open Society Foundations’ donations are not open. Likewise, I believe most of Soros’ meetings are not open or announced to the media.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  75. There’s no doubt that Pashinyan is a neoliberal traitor, but that picture is fake and if Parry wasn’t such a Communist stooge, he’d be man enough to admit he screwed up in using it.

  76. Isn’t Nagorno-Karabakh the live earthworms Klingons eat in STNG?

    • Replies: @Parbes
  77. Parbes says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Isn’t “Hippopotamusdrome” the kind of handle idiots whose education consists of trashy Hollywood TV shows use when posting their useless crap on the Internet?

  78. @Verymuchalive

    Correct. It’s a fake.

    The funniest thing is that Aliyev OTOH has met with Soros.

    The Virgin Pashinyan: Doesn’t meet with Soros, is portrayed as having done so by Azeri propagandists, acts like a Sorosite anyway

    The Chad Aliyev: Actually meets with Soros, brutally shows Pashinyan the true worth of an “open society”

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  79. @Anatoly Karlin

    Aliyev met Soros at Davos in January 2015. It was a teflon meeting for both sides – water off a duck’s back. Soros’s OSF complained about Aliyev cracking down on “civil society institutions”. Aliyev had got his retaliation in first . The OSF had worked in Baku from 1996 to 2010, when they were shown the door.
    Soros and his ilk can really only cause you trouble if you let them. In Armenia’s case, the US Embassy is of much greater import. When it was built in 2005, it was the largest Embassy in the World. It is now the 2nd largest – behind the US Embassy in Iraq. For a small country, the Armenian Embassy is absurdly large. There must be a great deal of NGO and espionage activity conducted from the premises. It was built when the “pro-Russian” Kocharyan was in power. With friends like that, who needs enemies.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Yerevan

    • Agree: Felix Keverich
  80. Blade says:
    @Avery

    You have not denied anything he said, which are, historically accurate by the way and supported by archive documents of both Russia and Ottoman Empire. Crying “waaah waaah muh Armenian genocide” and calling anyone with different opinions “denialists” doesn’t make you more believable.

    Why haven’t you gone and fight in Karabakh Los Angeles Armenian? Is your life so much more valuable than 18 years old Armenians who died for a pointless, lost cause war, chickenhawk?

  81. @Jake

    I have made that point to a few others on this board. While many would say Iran is the biggest challenge to Israel – Sunni Arabs pose the most danger to the rest of the world… The extremist ones anyway. They dont discriminate. They kill other Muslims too.

  82. @Boom Boom Kaboomski

    Just for the record – American blacks (qnd many criminal groups throughout the western hemisphere) got the concept of retaliating after being “dissed” from old wild west and old time gangster movies like Bogart and Cagney

  83. Jazman says:
    @Max Parry

    That is true . As someone who participated all 4 years during war in Bosnia Iranhad huge influence on Bosnian government they helped Muslims more then any other country but after war Bosnian government was forced to cut the ties with Teheran

  84. @Verymuchalive

    Soros has literally funded Pashinyan and his MyStep group lol. Pashinyan sure is a loser, but he’s an “important, useful” loser who is letting Soros take the wheel.

    The blood is on their hands. All those thousands of children, suffered and mutilated for nothing.

  85. @Commentator Mike

    it’s a photoshop/meme. Pashinyan was a radicalized psycho who worked for LTP.

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